1 00:00:04,319 --> 00:00:11,519 to call to order the August 26, 2026 planning commission meeting. Roll call, 2 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:15,599 please. Lesley. >> Uh, thank you. Commissioner Thor Nash 3 00:00:13,599 --> 00:00:17,440 » here. Commissioner Gillow >> here. 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,439 » Commissioner Jackson >> here. 5 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:23,199 » Commissioner Davis >> here. 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,880 » Commissioner Low is absent. Uh, Vice President Saka 7 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,119 » here. >> And President Jones Gallardo 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,760 » here. >> Thank you. 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,520 » We have a quorum present. So we will proceed with our agenda items. The 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,680 planning commission emphasizes addressing issues in a respectful and 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:41,120 timely manner. We ask all parties to hearings and administrative matters 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:45,840 during our meetings to assist us by participating in respectful and direct 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:49,200 testimony and comments. There have been several disruptions 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:53,280 during public meetings lately and I want to begin by setting the expectations for 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,879 everyone. We will not tolerate disruptions that preclude the commission 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:00,960 from being able to conduct its business and hear from the community. Those who 17 00:00:59,199 --> 00:01:05,680 cause disruptions will be asked to watch the meeting from the conference room 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:10,159 across the hall or leave the building. This is deemed a first general warning 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:14,799 for all attendees. Any person who disrupts the meeting will be provided 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:18,240 with one individualized warning. Any further disruptions will result in that 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,280 individual being asked to watch the meeting from the conference room or 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,799 being removed from the building altogether. 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:29,040 To keep the space welcoming, inclusive, and accessible for everyone, and to 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:33,280 avoid disruption, we ask that all comments be shared respectfully. For 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:38,079 virtual testimony, either during the communications and non-aggenda items or 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:42,560 during the public hearings, virtual testimony will only be taken by those 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:46,240 who have pre-registered prior to 3 p.m. And testimony will be heard in the 28 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:51,159 following order. Those who are in person, then those online who have 29 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:51,159 pre-registered. 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:57,600 First on the agenda is communication and non-aggenda items. If you are here to 31 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:02,960 provide testimony on either of the public hearings on the agenda this 32 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:06,479 evening, please fill out a blue card so we can call you up once the public 33 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:10,640 hearing is opened and your comments can become part of the record and you can 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:15,520 just hand the cards over to staff. Bri over there uh will take the cards from 35 00:02:12,959 --> 00:02:20,560 you. Um, if you wish to comment on a non-aggenda, 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:25,920 now is the time to do so. Please fill out a green card uh for public comment 37 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:29,760 and hand it to our administrative team. Uh, when you are called on, please use 38 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:34,000 the microphone at the public comment table. The microphone is live when the 39 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:38,879 green light is on. You will have three minutes to provide your comment. If you 40 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:43,519 feel you have to publicly express support for a comment or viewpoint, we 41 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:49,120 ask that you use a quiet, non-disruptive method, such as snapping your fingers, 42 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:52,879 thumbs up, or jazz hands. Uh, clapping, calling out, or making any verbal 43 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:58,560 outburst interferes with people's ability to hear clearly. These these 44 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:02,720 disruptions will not be tolerated. Again, to keep the space welcoming, 45 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:08,800 inclusive, and accessible for everyone to avoid disruption, we ask that all 46 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:12,560 comments be shared respectfully. All right. Uh Bri, do we have any green 47 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,720 cards yet? >> Not yet. 48 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:22,280 » All right. We will give folks a moment to fill up green cards. I see people 49 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,280 filling out cards. 50 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Okay. All right. 51 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:59,680 All right. Uh I just see blue and blue. Okay. Okay. Uh we have no one 52 00:03:56,959 --> 00:04:05,120 pre-register or sorry uh we have uh no one in person this evening for uh 53 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:10,480 communications and non-aggenda items. Uh Bri, is anyone online pre-registered for 54 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,879 public comment or non-aggenda items? >> No one is pre-registered for this 55 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:18,160 evening. >> Thank you, Bri. Moving on to the next 56 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:23,440 item on the agenda, approval of minutes. Consideration of the May 13, 2026 57 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:27,680 planning commission meeting minutes. Are there any corrections or discussion of 58 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:31,759 these minutes? Do I have a motion? 59 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,960 » Commissioner Saka. Motion to approve May 13, 2026 minute. 60 00:04:33,919 --> 00:04:40,400 » Do I have a second? >> Commissioner Jackson, I second. 61 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:44,560 » I have a motion from Commissioner Saka and a second by Commissioner Jackson to 62 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:49,520 approve the May 13, 2026 Planning Commission minutes. All those in favor, 63 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:54,479 please say I. I. >> All opposed? 64 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:59,199 Any abstensions? Motion carries. 65 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:03,520 All right, moving on to the public hearing portion of our agenda. If you 66 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:07,759 are here and wish to provide testimony in support or opposition on this matter, 67 00:05:05,919 --> 00:05:11,840 please fill out a blue card and give it to our administrative team. We will send 68 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:16,400 you a notice of decision using the contact information provided on the blue 69 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:20,560 card. If you are not registered to speak but wish to receive a copy of the notice 70 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:24,160 of decision, please fill out the sign-in sheet at the back of the auditorium with 71 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:30,560 either your mailing address or email address. If you are attending virtually, 72 00:05:27,039 --> 00:05:33,560 please email community development hillsboro.gov 73 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:42,560 to receive a copy of the decision. Do any of the commissioners wish to state 74 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:47,360 any exparte contacts or wish to declare a conflict of interest or bias for any 75 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,360 of the agenda items? If so, please speak now. 76 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Our first public hearing is development review 03825C. 77 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:10,000 The applicant Matt Newman of Northwest Engineers LLC. 78 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:16,880 legal tax slot two 203 on Washington County assessor's tax map one and is in 79 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:21,759 November 2150. The request con consider approving a 80 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:27,199 order for a consolidated development review, conditional use, and flood plane 81 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:32,560 activity for the development of a 10,000 square ft recreation building with major 82 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:38,400 adjustments to set back on a lot approximately 4.3 acres in size and 83 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:46,919 zoned. Order number 8501 is available. Mark, 84 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,919 please share the OS video. 85 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:54,080 All public testimony and evidence submitted must refer to applicable 86 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:58,400 approval criteria which are listed in the staff report or other land use 87 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:02,080 regulations or criteria you believe may apply to the decision. Any testimony or 88 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:06,720 written evidence needs to be specific and detailed so the city can understand 89 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:11,680 and respond to each criterion or issue discussed in the testimony. Failure to 90 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:16,319 raise an issue before the record closes prevents an appeal to the land use board 91 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:20,160 of appeals based on that issue. >> Failure by the applicant to raise an 92 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:24,000 issue before the record closes prevents an action for damages in circuit court 93 00:07:22,479 --> 00:07:27,680 based on that issue. >> All testimony and evidence that 94 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:32,520 addresses the approval criteria will be responded to prior to the closing of the 95 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,520 record. 96 00:07:33,599 --> 00:07:39,840 » Thank you, Mark. The staff have any updates or additional information that 97 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:44,479 they wish to provide? >> Staff does not. 98 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:50,160 » All right. Staff report, please. Ruth. >> Good evening, President and 99 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:55,759 Commissioners. I am here tonight to present a staff report to you 100 00:07:53,919 --> 00:08:04,120 with a new element that is hopefully going to 101 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:04,120 make it easier to view the small print. 102 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:09,560 This is not. 103 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:28,560 So, um, as I mentioned, my name is Ruth Klein. I'm a senior planner with the 104 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:36,560 planning division and this is for the review of ICC. 105 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:43,719 This map here shows a context of this property being located out in the 106 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,719 northern portion of Hillsboro. 107 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,200 Ah, I'm still getting the hang of it. But 108 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,760 it's going to be cool once I get the hang of it, you guys. 109 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:10,240 It's okay. This is 110 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:18,560 a zoomed in portion that starts to show you the constraints that this site is 111 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:25,440 facing. Um before it was developed as a Islamic center, it had a single family 112 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:33,320 home on it and several barns and um the eastern side is the flood plane along 113 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,320 with natural resources on the site. 114 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:46,080 The application before us today is consolidated. The development review has 115 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:50,160 consolidated within it the conditional use, the flood plane activity, and the 116 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:56,000 major adjustments. I'm going to go through each of those individually and 117 00:09:52,320 --> 00:10:02,959 explain what they mean. Uh conditional use is an application 118 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:09,200 process that an applicant applies for when a proposed use has the potential 119 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:15,920 for increased impacts to the surrounding area that a um standard use would not. 120 00:10:12,959 --> 00:10:21,519 The particular impacts for this use is they have a large number of attendees 121 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:28,079 and very particular traffic flows um associated with services. Uh the 122 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:35,760 original approval uh granted 297 attendees in 2016 and this conditional 123 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:43,200 use is increasing it to 500. The conditional use in 2016 was unique 124 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:48,160 in that it also um spoke about frontage improvements and in that it stated that 125 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:55,440 it would defer the phase one improvements to phase two. It did um 126 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:58,880 direct the applicant to dedicate right ofway along their frontages that did 127 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:05,120 occur. The decision also called out what the 128 00:11:02,079 --> 00:11:10,000 phase 2 review triggers were. Uh new buildings, expansion, intensification of 129 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:14,959 use, or significant increase in vehicle trips. All of that is what's occurring 130 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:19,160 here. And so we're evaluating those frontage improvements tonight. 131 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:30,160 The development review is the site plan specifics. So, this is a multi-purpose 132 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:36,399 building that's going to serve a lot of different uses. Um, social activities, 133 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:40,800 educational activities, services, um, recreation. 134 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:46,399 There's also a gravel parking lot that's going to be paved and a circulation 135 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:51,600 pattern set up. That's, um, uh, one way for increased safety. 136 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:57,760 There's an entry plaza that is facing Helvatia, a water storage tank, and I'm 137 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:03,920 going to talk more about that later, a replacement septic system, trash 138 00:12:00,079 --> 00:12:08,800 recycling enclosures, and landscaping. They also have frontage improvements on 139 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:15,680 Northwest Talvatia Road with a right-hand turn lane. And um a portion 140 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:21,720 of Pubil's Creek has a fee inl um Pubil's Street has a fe for the creek 141 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,720 crossing. 142 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:26,600 Here is what it looks like visually. 143 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,000 So the existing building here, 144 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,480 proposed building here. 145 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:49,279 This right here has under it the demolition of a barn and a replacement 146 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:56,000 with a viewing platform out into the natural resource area that is here. 147 00:12:53,440 --> 00:13:04,600 This is the existing house that got converted to assembly space. 148 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:04,600 And this is the water tower right here. 149 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:12,880 What you're seeing right here is this in this red area is a landscaping buffer 150 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:17,600 that's required in industrial plan districts when you're on the boundary. 151 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:22,079 And as you can see, a significant amount of this development activity is 152 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:27,680 occurring within that um landscape buffer, which is where the major 153 00:13:24,079 --> 00:13:32,880 adjustments originate from. What's also unique, um, I can't remember 154 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:39,440 ever working on a project that had a water tower. So, this is related to it 155 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:44,560 being in the far northern area of Hillsboro. The utilities aren't out 156 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:49,600 there yet. They are still on septic and water. And there's been significant 157 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:56,000 coordination to make sure that the water supplies are um, sufficient in cases of 158 00:13:52,800 --> 00:14:03,160 emergency. the water flows are there and um working with the city for alternative 159 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,160 um paths to make that happen. 160 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:24,000 There is one condition that I wanted to call out a revision to. The condition 161 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:30,560 was originally written with the assumption that the applicant had 162 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:36,000 already um received approval to do a fee in lie of um undergrounding the 163 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:43,920 utilities. That process has not actually um taken place yet. So, the condition 164 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:49,680 has been updated to include first the um explanation of the undergrounding 165 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:55,519 process and then um the return back into the language of if um you elect to not 166 00:14:53,680 --> 00:15:00,639 underground because you qualify as a type A project and you pay that fee in 167 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:08,720 lie, there are some requirements as far as relocating of PGE poles due to those 168 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,720 improvements onto the on the site. 169 00:15:13,839 --> 00:15:23,760 major adjustments. Again, um this is getting back to that 50-foot rural urban 170 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:30,720 edge. It is a landscaping edge that has um some very specific standards as far 171 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:39,040 as the type of landscaping within it. The building is 38.4 feet. parking is 20 172 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:43,279 feet and the water tank is as close as 10 feet to the property line on 173 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Halvatia. So you can see that there's um some 174 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:55,759 significant encroachments there. The proposed qualifying public benefits 175 00:15:52,399 --> 00:16:01,680 um are the entry plaza which would be visible from the um public rightway on 176 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:08,000 Helvatia. It's something that is not required by code. So, it does um count 177 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:15,680 as something that goes above and beyond. The landscaping treatment um is on site 178 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:22,639 as far as the use of natives with on the site itself. Um it's not a requirement 179 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:28,399 of the uh of the um of the development code for this particular site. 180 00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:33,440 The two items that the applicant did propose and there was not sufficient um 181 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:40,759 information to explain how they would work operationally is the viewing 182 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,759 platform and the community garden. 183 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:54,639 So the um community garden is right out here. You can see that it's 184 00:16:49,600 --> 00:17:01,440 within the natural resource area. the um that area is managed by clean water 185 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:08,880 services and there is still um pending review of uh what can and cannot incur 186 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:14,799 within that um resource boundary. So that's the first item of concern. The 187 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:19,280 other item is how logistically it would work. There's more details in the staff 188 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:26,319 report talking about access to the site for the public. Um monitoring of it um 189 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:32,080 as far as making sure that um it remains a community garden. There are logistics 190 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:38,080 there that um staff simply um cannot see a path forward as far as how to u make 191 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:44,960 that function as a community benefit. The other item here is a viewing 192 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:50,600 platform which again right here is very internal to the site 193 00:17:50,880 --> 00:18:00,799 and um is not easily accessible for the public. Um and it would not be uh 194 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:06,080 something that uh staff would be concerned on the 195 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:10,520 applicant's behalf as far as security um for accessing these two amenities. 196 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,799 Here is an elevation 197 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:25,679 north elevation. West elevation is facing towards uh Halvatia. North 198 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,679 elevation is facing towards Pubil Street. 199 00:18:31,679 --> 00:18:39,840 Lastly, um there is a requested flood plane alteration. 200 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:45,760 This is for the portions of the building parking and um some grading that's 201 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:51,120 occurring in the flood plane overlay. None of it is occurring within the 202 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:55,440 floodway itself. This is the um area where flooding may occur. 203 00:18:53,440 --> 00:19:01,120 There are conditions that have been placed on the project to um receive 204 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:08,320 confirmation that the structures have been um elevated out of the flood plane 205 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:13,760 and also that the cut and fill is balanced on the site so that the site 206 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:16,760 maintains its capacity when there is flooding. 207 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,960 Here's 208 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,240 a visual. 209 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:38,760 So this is more information on the major adjustments and their benefits. 210 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:46,640 the um urban rural street edge and the screening of the parking and utility 211 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:51,840 features, utilitarian features includes the water tower. Um there's a condition 212 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:56,080 within the project that says it needs to be reviewed by a landscape architect. We 213 00:19:54,559 --> 00:20:00,640 don't at this point in time know what the height of that tower would be, so 214 00:19:57,919 --> 00:20:08,400 what type of screening it may need. And then there is also um comments in there 215 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:12,880 related to the planting of white um of white oaks, Oregon white oaks. Those 216 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:16,160 have some specific soil and irrigation requirements. So those would need to be 217 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:19,160 reviewed as well at the permitting stage. 218 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:30,559 Here is a landscaping plan that was originally submitted. you'll have before 219 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:36,080 you a um updated plan set that was submitted by the applicant. This is 220 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:41,880 something that um was a late arrival, so it would be reviewed um in detail during 221 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,880 the permitting stage 222 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,520 » and I am happy to answer any questions you may have. 223 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:58,400 » Thank you, Ruth. Does the commission have any questions for staff? 224 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:03,039 Commissioner Thrash. >> Um, yes. This is Commissioner Thrash. 225 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:07,760 Um, two questions. So, the water tower, am I to understand it's needed for fire 226 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,000 reasons? Is that what you meant when you said 227 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,760 » water flow? >> It's both fire and water supply for the 228 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,280 site itself. >> Okay. 229 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,760 » Daily water supply. >> Okay. Um, so we know that it's needed, 230 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:24,960 but we don't know how big it needs to be yet or how high it needs to be. They've 231 00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:27,840 done preliminary calculations but not finalized what those calculations would 232 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,760 be. >> Okay. 233 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:34,960 » So we have um if it needs to change right now they are estimating a 234 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:40,960 particular diameter for it. I think it's 25 or 26 feet in diameter. Um if that 235 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:45,919 needs to change we'll um we'll look at doing a modification as necessary. Um 236 00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:50,000 the height of it hasn't been established yet, but there's an understanding that 237 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:54,320 um it needed to be moved out of the vision clearance area due to its um it's 238 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:58,320 going to be of a height that would impede vision meaning around the corner 239 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:02,640 like when people for traffic >> at the corner publes and 240 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:05,280 » Okay. Um the other question for the Hap Street 241 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,120 improvement, I think I'm understanding that there's going to be a sidewalk 242 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:13,760 there. >> Is that correct? Yes, this is the 243 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:19,159 applicant site plan here and 244 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:19,159 sensitive. 245 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:31,120 So sidewalk down along this area here wrapping around this in this natural 246 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:36,559 resource area here the applicant is making sure that their grading works so 247 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:42,640 that the when the project to the north I'm sorry nope the east of it this is um 248 00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:48,400 north is on the left hand side in this image when that project develops um they 249 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,360 would then use that fee and loo to create that connectivity there with this 250 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,640 project. >> Okay. So, and I'm haven't been out there 251 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:59,280 in a long time, but I'm trying to visualize. I don't think that there's 252 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:02,720 any sidewalk on the what would be the south side at this 253 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:08,559 » ditch and nothing. >> Okay. So, in terms of thinking about 254 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:12,320 public access to like the entry plaza, unless you like I mean I guess 255 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,400 theoretically you could walk on Helbisha, but it would not be my 256 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:21,120 preference for safety reasons. um 257 00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:26,000 like a like is it staff's opinion that even though it's unlikely that somebody 258 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:29,679 would be walking who was not already going there and potentially parking 259 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:35,440 their car that it still qualifies as a public benefit because it's not allowed. 260 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:41,679 It's it's required. Sorry. The code. >> Yeah. It's challenging to um to say how 261 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:45,600 often this would be actually used as a public benefit, but the way our public 262 00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:50,159 benefit standards are structured, anything that goes above code can be 263 00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:56,640 considered by the planning commission as a public benefit. Whether you feel that 264 00:23:53,039 --> 00:24:00,720 this as a package is all sufficient when compared against the adjustments, that's 265 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:04,240 something that you would be debating to. >> Okay. Thank you. 266 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:08,159 » Thank you, Commissioner Throne Mash. Vice President Saka, 267 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:11,919 » I have a question regarding um the conversation that you were able to have 268 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:16,400 with the applicant in regards to public benefit. Thank you for outlining your 269 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:20,640 thoughts on the community garden and the viewing platform. Were there other 270 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:29,200 options that were discussed? Um this is a project that I took over so 271 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:34,760 I don't know for certain if other um public benefits were discussed. Um 272 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:44,000 it's uh you know these are good ideas. They're just um the logistics of making 273 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:49,120 them work is um is unfortunate. I I don't see how that could happen. 274 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:52,240 Thank you, >> Commissioner Davis. 275 00:24:51,039 --> 00:25:00,000 » Uh, yeah, I've got a couple of questions. Um, in regards to this the 276 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:05,360 the streets that this about sub two, is Halvishia Road two lanes or three lanes 277 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:09,200 in that area? >> I'll have um Joseph Hoff respond to 278 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,840 that. >> This is uh for the record, this is 279 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,000 Joseph Hoff, the city of Hillsboro transportation assistance manager. 280 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:20,559 Hell Facial Road's currently two lanes. Uh today it's planned for um to be three 281 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:26,400 lanes. >> Okay. So it will eventually my the 282 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:31,200 reason why I'm asking that is um to me I would think that having traffic enter 283 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:36,640 from the south end with the flow of traffic and then exiting on the north 284 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:41,760 end and using that other street is kind of an area to wait for lefthand turns 285 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:49,880 maybe a little safer. So just a a thought. 286 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:49,880 Um then 287 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:59,320 the other question I had is what is the current plan for when the city will be 288 00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:59,320 bringing utilities to that area? 289 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:09,360 » Utilities um and frontage improvements are all dependent on the developments 290 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:13,840 themselves. So, we don't have um an ability to say with certainty that when 291 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:18,400 these improvements will happen and when they'll match up with each other. Um 292 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:22,240 there have certainly been pre-application meetings where um 293 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:26,480 interest has been expressed in adjacent sites, but again, that's, you know, the 294 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:31,600 private property owner's decision on when they want to develop. 295 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:35,279 » Thank you. >> Any other questions for staff? 296 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:43,279 Commissioner Gillow >> Ruth have a couple questions. Um, 297 00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:48,960 what is the city's policy uh when water 298 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:55,200 quote becomes available? Uh, the property to the east is under 299 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:59,520 consideration. At least that's what the information I 300 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:05,760 have. I presume that they will be expanding water uh under their site. 301 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:12,000 Probably will create a I don't know 12in loop system which will make it much 302 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:17,120 closer. How close does the water get before you're 303 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:23,200 required under our city utilities to abandon a reservoir and or a well system 304 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:31,200 and you must hook up? >> Do we know? Um, so two things I want to 305 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:34,840 show you. First, the current location of the utilities. 306 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:46,640 So on these um they are nice because north is up. On the left hand side 307 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:51,760 you'll see the water and the distance from the site. 308 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:57,200 On the right hand side, you'll see the sanitary sewer lines in the distance 309 00:27:53,679 --> 00:28:07,760 from the site. The way it works in the city is if there was a utility line um 310 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:11,919 within proximity to the site, um there's a certain amount of negotiation 311 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:17,039 if it's extending farther beyond the property line, but in most instances, we 312 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:21,760 would require that extension. in this instance is too far to require that 313 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:26,320 extension um for the water in particular. There's 314 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:34,320 also some needs for that to be a looping line for um san uh safety reasons and 315 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:39,679 the for the water. So let's say to get back to your question, they develop with 316 00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:44,880 a septic system and a water tower and then four or five years later the 317 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:49,360 properties to the east um and south develop and the water lines are abudding 318 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:54,880 the property. If their septic system fails um then they cannot repair it. 319 00:28:53,039 --> 00:29:02,480 They need to extend and connect to those lines. the um well water in the city, 320 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:06,480 you are not required to connect to water if you're on a well. So as long as that 321 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,120 well remains functioning, they can continue to use it. 322 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:17,120 So, it's my understanding with the uh that 323 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:21,360 there's an application that's been submitted 324 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:26,960 for the development to the east and they're going to be extending sewer and 325 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:32,880 water. We can argue how relatively close it's 326 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:36,880 going to be to this site. Mhm. >> I without 327 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:43,480 getting into negotiations or whatever, it seems to me it would be not 328 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,480 unreasonable for the city to 329 00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:51,679 ask that developer to consider. That's not a condition that I'm implying 330 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:57,279 that I would impose or recommend we impose. I'm just saying there's an 331 00:29:53,919 --> 00:30:01,679 ability here to get out from underneath uh 332 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,559 which kind of gets to my next question, which is the water tank. 333 00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:12,880 » Uh, it is interesting. It's going to be 334 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:20,480 pretty dogone close to the new rideway and the deceleration lane. And 335 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:27,440 I know I've never seen a car drive off a road onto somebody else's property and 336 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:32,480 hit something. But that's a disastrous event waiting to happen. Uh if that 337 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:39,760 should occur on Helvatia, somebody going northbound in particular and 338 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:43,919 that I don't know what I see is landscaping 339 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:49,360 and I don't see much distance between the deceleration lane and people 340 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:55,679 driving. I think it's 50 miles an hour is the speed limit there on Havvesia. I 341 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:58,880 think it it it strikes me as an accident, if you will, waiting to 342 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:05,120 happen. And there doesn't seem to be much of a barrier to stop any car if it 343 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:10,399 happens to fly off the road. And that's disastrous for this property owner. So, 344 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:15,279 that's kind of my first concern about that. Um 345 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:22,880 second question in the staff work that was done the implication 346 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:29,039 was that uh there's a certain amount of gallons per 347 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:37,640 second that has to be produced or proven that comes out of but we don't know that 348 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,640 for a fact yet apparently or do we? 349 00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:44,640 That is one of several items that we don't know for a fact yet. There are 350 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:48,320 quite a few items that are conditioned. >> Okay. So, that that gets to my point is 351 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:54,960 this is just one of many conditions that I'm looking at is if they can't meet it, 352 00:31:52,399 --> 00:31:59,120 we don't have a site plan. I mean, like we're approving something 353 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:04,320 that's really not a final anything. So, I'm I'm scratching my head 354 00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:10,080 just just a little bit here trying to understand. And I realize that we are 355 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:16,799 have the ability as uh the city and the commission to attach conditions, but 356 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:22,240 there's a lot of whatifs here. That's just one. Let me let me get to the next 357 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:28,480 one. The cut fill in the staff report says hasn't been approved yet by 358 00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:34,159 the city or clean water services. Has it? Because if it hasn't, 359 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:39,440 we really don't have a final land use plan for the parking lot. 360 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:44,399 » To be fair for the cut and fill, that's something that gets approved on site 361 00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:45,760 with the movement of the soil. It gets >> Yes, I would agree. 362 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,640 » Yeah. >> Okay. But it's subject to 363 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,840 » just the city's approval or clean water because it's in the 364 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:59,279 » this the city is the flood plane manager. So, we would um we would review 365 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:04,480 that clean water services service provider letter is is still pending. Um 366 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:10,480 you'll see in several places in the conditions that say um you need to come 367 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:14,720 back for a modification if you're deviating from this plan in any way. 368 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:23,360 There's a very strong staff awareness that there's a lot of unfinished items 369 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:26,559 on this um on this uh application. we 370 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:33,120 have, you know, a preference by the applicant to move forward and I city 371 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:37,760 preference to find a way to approve an application. Um, this one happens to 372 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:42,320 need a lot of conditions to be approvable and I've put caveats in there 373 00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:48,559 to say if you're deviating anyway, we need to reassess 374 00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:54,159 um what's what's happening on the site. If the caveats end up having to make a 375 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,720 lot of changes, >> and I'm not saying they're going to, 376 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,760 then the public's not going to see that, just 377 00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:06,480 the staff. >> No, that would be so modifications would 378 00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:09,359 come back to the planning commission. >> Okay. 379 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:13,440 » Yeah. So it's the applicants been made aware that they are proceeding at their 380 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:21,520 own risk with this level of >> the half street improvements on um 381 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:26,800 the local street that's a city requirement. 382 00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:31,200 » Yeah. Hubil is a city street and Halvata is a county road. 383 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:37,520 » Okay. And there was something in the staff report that alluded to the fact 384 00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:41,839 that the uh entrance off the local street 385 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:47,040 should be 150 ft back from the intersection, but there was some debate 386 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:53,440 about whether or not it's back 150 ft. And 387 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:57,920 uh well, is it or isn't it? >> It does not appear to be. This is 388 00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:02,079 another item where the applicant will need to demonstrate that they've moved 389 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:07,280 it back as far as they can visually. They've shown that that it they've done 390 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:10,800 that based on um the natural resource boundaries here, but then we run into 391 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,960 that cycle again of the natural resource boundaries not being 392 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:20,800 » if it's not back 150 ft, >> is Washington County going to have a 393 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:25,760 problem with permitting the right-hand turn lane? 394 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,280 Washington County has not expressed a problem with this particular location. 395 00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:35,119 They've been in several conversations with the city and the applicant and seen 396 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:40,079 this location. Their concern is more with ensuring that the improvements 397 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:45,839 themselves get done in such a manner um again with 398 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:51,599 that proximity of the building to the edge of the property line. um figuring 399 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:55,359 out how to run utilities down that um down that front edge and the logistics 400 00:35:53,680 --> 00:36:02,480 associated with that. >> Okay, my last area is traffic. 401 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:10,400 » I read the traffic report and I I rarely read them all, but this site plan drove 402 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:16,280 me to have to read the traffic report. Took a several cups of coffee to get 403 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:16,280 through it. Um, 404 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:25,599 I'm not sure I quite grasp or understand through the staff report why we have an 405 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:33,359 entrance and an exit system the way we do. But leaving that aside, 406 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:38,800 uh, the exiting at the south end of the property where you can come 407 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:45,200 out going north or you can come out going south. 408 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:49,440 that has historically been there. If if you look at the aerial, you can see the 409 00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:54,240 traffic has gone come out and gone south, 410 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:59,040 but we're now increasing 411 00:36:55,839 --> 00:37:06,000 the site significantly in terms of vehicular movement. Uh I 412 00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:12,320 think the traffic analysis said that the at least at the Friday evening early 413 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:17,640 Friday evening late prayer that the traffic movement going south was 97 414 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,640 vehicles. 415 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:25,920 But I didn't see anything there from Washington County. 416 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:31,040 There's nothing there. And I'm kind of just openly questioning what's 417 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:40,160 what's the safety consideration. You're increasing the traffic. You're adding 418 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:45,119 10,500 square ft. And we're expecting more cars to go south on a two-lane road 419 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:51,839 where people are going 50 miles an hour plus. So, can you 420 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:57,160 give me some idea of what we should expect or not expect in terms of traffic 421 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,160 safety? 422 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:06,960 Anybody from the staff? >> Yes, this is Joseph. Um, again, for the 423 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,960 record, um, uh, Washington County worked with the 424 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:15,359 applicant on this, uh, layout here. Um there was kind of initially there was 425 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:19,280 some discussion of just having just one access and that access would be on pools 426 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:23,920 and and there would be no access at all on health road. That was initially what 427 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:29,119 Washington County u directed the applicant to do. But after multiple 428 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:35,440 conversations, they worked um with the traffic analysis. They've uh came up 429 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:39,599 with this kind of one um way movement of having the ingress go through go onto 430 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:48,400 publes and and use that driveway and exit out on um Halpatia Road. And um I 431 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:52,400 guess um some of the uh safety logic there is that like when you're um if it 432 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:57,680 was the other way around with the egress going off of Pubil Street that right 433 00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:00,320 turn lane could you know impede the intersection sight distance for the 434 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:05,920 people wanting to make the left turn out. So that way if we shift it um have 435 00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:10,560 the egress instead on Halvesia road they would have better sight distance um to 436 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,920 be able to um enter Halvatia road through that direction. 437 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:26,960 I'll add as far as safety considerations too, one of the most important things is 438 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:31,280 the street frontage improvements on both of these streets is going to give the, 439 00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:36,240 you know, remove the ditch, provide the standard um sidewalk and um in some 440 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:43,760 places, you know, the planter strip areas, some of it expanded. I think that 441 00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:48,720 that more urban street lends itself as well to people um following those rules 442 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:53,200 and understanding the boundaries of where they should and should not go. 443 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:56,800 » Well, I would agree with you as it relates to going northbound, going out 444 00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,560 of the southbound. because there's no longer a ditch and it's more of a kind 445 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:05,000 of a gravel whatever you got some ability to if you misjudge 446 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:14,520 southbound you got nothing you got to ditch 447 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,520 and it just 448 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:22,880 I I'm having a hard time buying the safety aspect 449 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:30,000 of the traffic design and the safety of people coming out 450 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:35,520 of this site. I don't think people that belong to this particular uh facility or 451 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:40,800 belong to any other type of ch church affiliation when people leave a service 452 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:48,640 they have a habit of getting in their car and beating feet. Okay. And it just 453 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:54,160 strikes me as Havvesia is a 50 m an hour. Once people get out past shaft or 454 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:58,640 whatever the road is down at the end, they're hauling. 455 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:04,560 Uh they're going northbound and they're coming in southbound, too. And it just 456 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:09,200 seems like there's just not enough safety consideration when people kind of 457 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:13,599 make a bad judgment. there's no way to pull off, pull over. Particularly if 458 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:20,160 you're going southbound, at least when you're going northbound, you might have 459 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:25,200 a more of a scallop ditch or the right-hand turn lane if push comes to 460 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:31,440 shove if you misjudge that. That's just my my concern. The my other concern, Mr. 461 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:37,760 president is there's a lot of whatif conditions 462 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:43,680 and I I want to state I want to thank the staff for conditioning this 463 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:51,040 application to get it to where it needs to be but quite frankly this application 464 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,280 strikes me as not ready for prime time for an approval to be perfectly honest 465 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:58,800 with you. Thank you. 466 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:02,920 Did staff want to respond to any of that before I go to my questions? 467 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:12,160 » If um after the applicant's presentation and testimony, we want to talk more 468 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:18,000 about procedurally if there is a possibility to either extend the 469 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:22,480 application or you know discuss the the other option is um you know discussing 470 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,680 the formatting of a denial based on our reasons. We can work with you through 471 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:30,960 that. That does lead a a little into my line 472 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:36,280 of questioning is where do we know where we're at on the 120day clock with this 473 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,280 application? 474 00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:47,119 » If the applicant does not grant a um 120day extension, there is time for one 475 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:50,240 more planning commission meeting. Um that would be so not the next planning 476 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:54,079 commission meeting but the one after that. So we have enough time to prepare 477 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:59,599 the revisions. There's time for one of those. Okay. So, the the late September 478 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:03,040 meeting would there is time for that >> if the applicant did not want to grant 479 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,200 an extension, >> right? 480 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:11,760 » Okay. Uh have uh has staff had conversations with the applicant about 481 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:17,520 about potentially extending the deadline if that could po the or the timeline if 482 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:23,760 that if we feel that might possibly help move this application to a more stable 483 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:27,599 footing or we reached a they they want an answer. 484 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:32,000 » The they have conveyed to us that they very much wanted to move forward to this 485 00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:36,800 particular date and receive an answer. >> Okay. Uh, and I I'll ask the applicant 486 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:42,160 the same question. So, giving them a giving them a heads up. Um, but I wanted 487 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:46,480 to see where where staff was at on that. Any other questions for staff? 488 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:53,200 Commissioner Thrash. >> Um, yeah, thank you. Um, so something 489 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:57,760 that just occurred to me um is that is that the existing prayer hall is 490 00:43:54,720 --> 00:44:04,000 entirely within that pink landscape buffer that's there. Um, can you help me 491 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:08,240 understand like is it this particular application that triggered that 492 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:15,440 landscape buffer requirement or is it that the previous conditional use permit 493 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:19,920 allowed them to build within a landscape buffer? Does that make sense? 494 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:24,240 » Yeah, absolutely. So, um, that building, that existing prayer hall was a 495 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:26,800 pre-existing non-conforming use that was part of the original residential 496 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,280 homestead. >> Okay. So when they originally um 497 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,920 occupied the site, that was already there. So there was nothing that got 498 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,359 triggered, right? >> Okay. And so it's just the improvements. 499 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:44,880 Okay. Thank you. >> Um and can you also I don't know if I I 500 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:49,599 feel like you had at the beginning a um a slide that showed like where the 501 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:53,839 natural resource overlay and where the flood plane is. 502 00:44:52,000 --> 00:45:00,079 I'm trying to understand like what would be possible on this site if they had to 503 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:08,319 not have anything in this landscape up. >> So um the vegetated corridor runs along 504 00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:14,240 this clean water services regulatory um natural resource runs right along the 505 00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:19,280 northern edge of eastern edge of all of those parking spaces. 506 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:22,680 » Okay. um the flood plane. I'll scooch back to that 507 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:34,000 um significantly covers a lot of the site and that's why there's this 508 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:37,839 continuing balance cut and fill activity. 509 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:42,000 » Okay. Thank you. That's all I ask. 510 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:47,839 » Any other questions for staff before we move on to the applicant? 511 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:51,040 No. Okay. Uh, at this time I would like to call for the applicant's 512 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:56,160 presentation. Will the applicant please come forward, state and spell your 513 00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:00,280 names, and identify approximately how much time you will need for your 514 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,280 presentation. 515 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:09,119 » I'll push the button first. Beautiful. 516 00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:15,040 » Good evening, Matt Newman, NW engineers. Um, we have 517 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:23,040 um it's just it's just me testifying, but um our client Muhammad Son is 518 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:28,800 online. He's um out of state right now and he he's prepared to testify. He 519 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:34,240 requested this. Um so Bri should have it. Um, 520 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:40,640 my address 2920 Southeast Brookwood, Sweet G, 521 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:47,280 97129. Uh, we've been told our at our our zip 522 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:52,640 changed. It was one 92 uh 7123. So, it's changed. Needs to be updated on the on 523 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:59,839 these reports. I'd like to speak to Mr. Gillow's 524 00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:03,920 comments for sure, but I want to um because I think we are ready. There are 525 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:08,960 some there are some questions and we're we're prepared to talk about those. But 526 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,800 as far as the the design, uh we have a full understanding of the 527 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:20,079 um of the limitations on this property. Um 528 00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:25,599 we have had many meetings with not only city but also county staff 529 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:30,000 and we've had multiple consultants uh working with us architects. We do have 530 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:35,040 an understanding of this water tank. It's not a tower. It's a water tank. 531 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:43,280 It's about 27 is big. 27 ft wide about 16t tall but 532 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:49,760 it goes up to a a dome. So it's two or three feet taller than that. um the 533 00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:59,520 architects and other consultants have done um um calculations to know what the 534 00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:04,000 fire um flow requirements are and uh they've sized it accordingly. 535 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,839 So we're confident on the size may change a little bit but we're confident 536 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:11,280 on fire flow and all that. We prefer not doing it. We prefer that there was a 537 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:16,240 water line. However, in talking to Twelton uh Valley 538 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:22,000 Water District, um it's uh they would require that it be 539 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:27,359 extended. In fact, they said they didn't want it done um until it can be funded 540 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:32,160 and extended all the way up to West Union to looped and that they said 541 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:36,480 that's well over a million dollars to do it. So, that's the water issue. Septic 542 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:42,640 or sewer, I should I should say, is the same issue. Um 543 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:50,160 so that's where we are with um currently the the uh site is on well and septic. 544 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,680 Um, I'll just talk briefly on some of these 545 00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:00,880 issues that were raised. Um, plus a couple in the staff report I want to 546 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:08,280 talk about and then Mohammed will get on and talk about um do a test testify. 547 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,280 Um, 548 00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:16,559 I would like to thank staff for all the help we've had. Uh, you may recall we 549 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:22,400 were here in I believe it was February for a hearing. Um, actually, could you 550 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:27,280 put that site plan back up? Um, 551 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:33,200 and we at the time we talked about the 552 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:39,520 constraints of the site. Um in prior meetings we talked about you know how 553 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:45,680 can you get this it's it's size of a gym um on the site and we had initially 554 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:51,440 proposed it uh closer to the road and we after meeting with staff moved it so 555 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:56,400 it's it's tied up against the existing prayer hall. Again that was an existing 556 00:49:54,559 --> 00:50:03,520 uh barn when they bought the property. They went through in 2016 to convert it. 557 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:08,400 um the it's it's the dimensions that they that 558 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:11,760 they need for a gym and that's kind of how they've come up with this. We we 559 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:17,520 actually did change it somewhat from what they they wanted. We knew we needed 560 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:24,079 to get to meet ADA. We needed a sidewalk all the way around it, which is shown. 561 00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:30,559 We clearly needed vehicle access. Um we we know about the flood or we knew 562 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:37,119 about the flood plane at the time. Um that that graphic that Ruth had up, it 563 00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:42,000 shows the um uh 188 564 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:50,000 flood plane elevation. Um and it's for this existing site, it's 565 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:53,760 inches to a foot into the flood plane. Um 566 00:50:51,599 --> 00:51:00,079 the uh requirement a after meeting with staff 567 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:06,800 was that this gravel parking lot would need to be paved. Uh would need to meet 568 00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:14,319 um landscape requirements and such. So we've designed it to meet all that. 569 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:23,200 There was a a big meeting um with um the traffic engineer 570 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:31,119 um Washington County traffic engineers Jindy Zoo who was in this meeting 571 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:35,520 I'm sure you were as well and others and 572 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:40,000 after that meeting looking at different access locations it was decided this was 573 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:47,599 the by everybody this was the best circulation 574 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:54,319 plan for the site and the reason is uh the county was was not concerned 575 00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:59,040 apparently of the vehicle trips going south. 576 00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:07,040 They were concerned with stacking on the road. So if we had 577 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:12,800 proposed the south as an entrance, there could be stacking on the road. 578 00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:17,200 The property next door, who knows when that's going to develop. It hasn't they 579 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:22,880 haven't dedicated right away. Um so that was the issue. So they now they have 580 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:29,680 asked when one changes one uh uh road design change than what you see here is 581 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:35,680 they want us to do a about a 400t with the turn lane and so it's it's much of 582 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:41,119 the frontage will be wider. They've also asked for a half street which we're not 583 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:47,040 opposed to. We were what we were opposed to was the timing of it and we can talk 584 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:53,599 about that or Mohamad can. Um, we always planned to have a sidewalk, always plan 585 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:57,440 to do the full improvements on pools. Um, 586 00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:03,760 there's a there's a condition in there requiring that 587 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:08,079 going um that we have to be one and a half ft above the flood plane going over 588 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:13,280 the uh um we have to do a profile showing that 589 00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:18,480 the future road over the covert will be 1 and 1/2 ft above the flood plane. So, 590 00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:22,880 so we've we've run profiles. We've had the whole thing surveyed. We've run 591 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:28,000 profiles for Pulse Road will definitely be wider. Um, it has to be raised up 592 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:35,040 from the entrance. Um, elevated, I should say. Um, so that 593 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:40,960 was so as far as traffic, that's the circulation plan that everyone felt was 594 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:45,839 the safest option and there was no other option 595 00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:50,240 uh in in in everybody's mind. we it wasn't it would not make sense to to 596 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:56,480 just have one entrance because then um you have the stacking problem on 597 00:53:52,800 --> 00:54:02,480 Helvatia itself here you have plenty of room for stacking all the way around and 598 00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:08,000 then um when they're when their meetings end which is not not evening it's 599 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:13,440 afternoon it's early afternoon um the stacking is on in the parking lot so 600 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:19,559 it's not the stacking is not in the in the on elevation. 601 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:19,559 Um, 602 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:31,359 I want to talk for a minute about the public benefits 603 00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:38,839 and I want to specifically talk about and it was in the staff report 604 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,839 um pages uh 605 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:51,359 three I should say uh four four to seven. And in here, um, staff's talking 606 00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:57,280 about, um, adequacy of public benefits, um, this viewing platform, the community 607 00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:01,760 garden, um, 608 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:08,640 landscape plan deficiencies, which so we can address all those, um, and, uh, the, 609 00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:13,920 uh, CWS service provider letter and the no net 610 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:18,480 rise documentation 611 00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:24,160 uh flood plane permit. 612 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:29,920 I uh I asked our uh environmental consultant Jack Dalton to respond to 613 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:37,760 some of these. I just like to summarize it. Um 614 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:43,520 the uh regarding the the um clean water services 615 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:48,559 provider letter, we do have one Uh it did not address the water tank which 616 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:55,920 Clean Water didn't care about. Uh they tell us um it 617 00:55:53,040 --> 00:56:01,200 there was a question though about this flood plane permit. 618 00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:06,799 So what we have to do when we do flood plane alterations or permits is we have 619 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:12,079 to do a balanced cut and fill and then a number of uh calcs to show 620 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:17,760 that it's that it meets FEMA requirements. Um the building itself has 621 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:24,040 to be there's a condition in there has to be uh 622 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,040 189.4 623 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:30,079 four, I think. But we're actually going to be 190 because the existing prayer 624 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:33,040 hall, we've surveyed that the finished floor of the existing prayer hall is 625 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:38,480 already higher. So, we're we're going to meet the we're going to meet that 626 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:43,359 condition automatically. Parking lot um is conditioned to be at the 627 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:48,640 100red-year flood plane. I believe that's correct. That's right. Yeah. 628 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:54,000 Right. So, so like I said, it's much of that that is um 629 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:58,480 um that we're impacting is inches into the 630 00:56:56,319 --> 00:57:04,640 flood plane, maybe up to a foot in in some places. So, we've done we've 631 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:09,200 calculated estimated the the cut at about 350 yards. It could be more could 632 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:14,799 be more by the time the all the dust clears, especially since we have to ra 633 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:17,680 have to raise pools some in the flood plane. 634 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:24,640 um and we have to remove an equal amount of 635 00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:30,400 of soil from the flood plane. So what we're proposing 636 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:35,680 um uh is within that uh clean water services 637 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:42,799 vegetated corridor which is directly north of the parking lot. It's 50 ft 638 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:47,839 wide. As a matter of fact, the the um the 639 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:53,280 it's just a it's a uh it's a buffer requirement has to be planted. Clean 640 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:57,040 water service letter required that that's where we're taking the dirt. 641 00:57:54,640 --> 00:58:05,520 That's where we're removing the dirt. Um it's a about a foot across much of the 642 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:11,119 site um where those bridges are and we are removing that from the flood plane 643 00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:17,680 and we'll use that in our in our burm uh which is uh along Halvata. It's about a 644 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:21,839 4ft high burm. So that's our balance. That's our balance cut and fill. Um 645 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:27,520 we're confident about that. Obviously, we got to run the the uh calf final 646 00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:32,079 civil, but we're pretty confident on that we can certainly meet meet it. So, 647 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:36,559 so Jack Dalton has discussed this with clean water services. 648 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:44,400 Um he's discussed this current site plan with them. Um he says the only rem 649 00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:50,000 remaining item um uh for clean water service is to issue a this is a revision 650 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:54,880 to their to their uh service provider letter is uh they have to review the 651 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,280 proposed mitigation planting. So what that means is 652 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:08,160 they're they're okay with the uh a cut in the buffer. They're okay. 653 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:13,280 We can talk further about the uh the community garden. Um Jack is of the 654 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:16,799 opinion it's we probably should just lose it because there's other other 655 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:22,640 things that come up. We can talk about that. Um but they're okay with the rest 656 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:28,079 of it. There are there's mitigation um planting pretty much the entire east 657 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:32,160 side of the site as you can see on there. 658 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:38,720 Much of that is wetland. It's just it's just a field. you can farm a field. Uh 659 00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:42,799 you don't need a you don't need a DSL or core permit to farm. 660 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,480 They could plant an orchard if they wanted. That's one thing he suggested. 661 00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:52,240 Um but we are proposing um you know full 662 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:56,880 mitigation of that of that of not only the clean water services buffer but some 663 00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:01,000 of that wetland as well. Um, regarding the the 664 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:12,000 we'll call it viewing platform. I do um we do take issue with some of the 665 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:16,720 comments in the staff report. Um we believe it's a public benefit. 666 01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:20,000 Um the it is a it's an old barn. It's an old 667 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:25,520 it's an old building. It's concrete floor. We've we do have approval from 668 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,480 Clean Water for that. So, it's not like we're asking for something from Clean 669 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:32,480 Water. We've already been been approved for that as a viewing platform. It 670 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:36,880 encroaches into the buffer, as you can see, but it's but they allow that 671 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:40,880 because it's existing. So, all we're doing is taking down the building, but 672 01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:48,319 keeping the foundation, keeping the uh concrete pad. And um 673 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:52,960 I noticed there's uh comments, well, it's not 674 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:57,520 um what's the benefit to the public? I think we can um we we'll let Muhammad 675 01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:04,559 talk to this, but I think he we can uh propose some public access to it through 676 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:11,760 the along the sidewalk. Um and there's uh um I I did submit a 677 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:14,559 updated landscape plan to you. Um we had actually had that, but apparently it 678 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:20,480 didn't get in the record. So, I wanted to drop that off. But on you'll notice 679 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:26,040 on that um sheet the the landscape architect proposed a um a sitting area. 680 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,920 um 681 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,240 I think that's 682 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:54,839 Yeah, I think that's uh that's um that's it from me and I'd like to uh introduce 683 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,839 uh uh Muhammad 684 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:06,640 Hello. Can you hear me? >> We can hear you, Muhammad. 685 01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:12,720 » Okay, thank you. Um, yeah, my name is Muhammad Sawan. I am uh one of the uh 686 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:16,720 ICC board of trustees members. Um, so first of all, thank you for your time 687 01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:21,680 this evening. Thank you to the uh to the staff for uh what's now going on almost 688 01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:26,000 two years of work on this. I think our first pre-application meeting was in the 689 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:31,520 fall of 2024. We are uh um but uh you know I've uh 690 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:36,240 I've been in the area for 30 years, most of that at Intel until recently retired 691 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:43,760 and now with a consulting firm, but I um ICC uh is a is a nonprofit organization. 692 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:49,200 Um it's uh it's the only mosque in Hillsboro. Um, it is a uh it's important 693 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:53,119 obviously to our community, to the larger Muslim community in the Portland 694 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:57,520 area, but it's also really important for Hillsboro in terms of attracting 695 01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:02,799 residents uh and visitors to the area. You know, when people when Muslims um 696 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:07,839 you know look for places to live, they they they map the where the mosques 697 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:12,400 mosques are and they you know you know t you know they gravitate towards those 698 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:16,079 areas. So we're we are heavily committed to our people. are heavily committed to 699 01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:19,359 Hillsboro and Washington County. Um the other thing I'll say because there have 700 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:23,920 been some questions about you know safety and the environment and that is a 701 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:28,880 you know that is non-negotiable for us obviously that is a a value not even a 702 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:33,920 priority. Um so we're fully committed to any improvements that are required for 703 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:38,240 those reasons. Um, I think the challenge with this project is is it is in a 704 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:42,960 difficult area, but again because of those heavy commitments to our 705 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:47,680 community, our large Islamic and growing Muslim community and the Hillsboro area, 706 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:52,720 you know, we've been trying determined to really make this work. Um, the the 707 01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:57,680 and it so those are some of the challenges. The other challenge is um we 708 01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:02,400 are a nonprofit organization. every uh penny we spend comes from our 709 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:08,079 community's donations. So you can imagine how difficult it is to raise you 710 01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:12,559 know $1.5 plus million you know for a project like this. And so my only 711 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:17,599 request and what I've you know continued to stress with our engineering and 712 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:22,720 architectural team as well as with the staff is anything that we can do to help 713 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:26,720 obviously with the boundary condition of meeting all safety and environmental 714 01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:31,200 requirements. anything we can do to help you know reduce our costs um you know we 715 01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:35,359 would love. I think everyone has been very you know reasonable and practical. 716 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:39,680 I think the two things that I actually liked some of the questions that were 717 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:46,400 that were raised in the discussion here. Um some of two of the things that we've 718 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:52,160 struggled with um are um you know what on Halvatia Road um the east side of 719 01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:57,680 Halvatia Road. We're fully in favor of the right turn lane northbound on Puvo 720 01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:02,720 and the Del lane. Those are required from a traffic and safety perspective. 721 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,319 Um we even support the sidewalk. um that was questioned earlier. Um but we do we 722 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:18,160 do ask that the that the requirement for widening um the um the east side of 723 01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:21,520 Calvatia um uh along our frontage um B we're committed to it because we know 724 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:25,839 that at some point it's required but we would ask that the time the condition be 725 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:30,400 written so that it allows flexibility based on some kind of reasonable trigger 726 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:34,480 in the future when it's actually needed. that will help us reduce you know 727 01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:38,960 hundreds of thousands of dollars. The water tank was uh was uh mentioned uh 728 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:43,359 that is also something we really struggle with because our well our 729 01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:48,319 current well today has capacity for our own water supply needs. This well is 730 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:53,920 purely for or this I'm sorry the tank is purely for uh you know fire uh 731 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:59,359 protection, fire suppression um uh uh needs. Um, and so that I that one is a 732 01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:04,000 hard one for us to swallow as well because it's expensive. Nobody wants a 733 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:08,480 tank like that, you know, so close and and visible, so close to a major road 734 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:13,039 and visible. Um, so uh, but unfortunately the, you know, our our 735 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:16,400 neighboring properties, they they our neighboring property has pushed out 736 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:21,599 their project to a point where we ourselves don't want to wait. But if the 737 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:26,640 if the team has any um has any ideas on how to help us you know minimize avoid 738 01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:31,839 that cost. We've even talked about could we you know could we annex to you know 739 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:35,200 to Twin Valley um you know fire and rescue because they apparently have 740 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:39,119 these tanker trucks that you know that wouldn't require a tank or is there some 741 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:44,880 other solution. Point is those are the two big costs that um that uh we are you 742 01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:48,559 know we would love any ideas the Halvatia half full half streetet 743 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:53,920 improvements and then the uh the water tank. Now we did um we um the president 744 01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:58,400 asked if we were interested in moving forward. We are interested. We've we've 745 01:06:55,839 --> 01:07:01,839 been working on this for a while. Um we are uh wanting to push forward even 746 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:08,720 though our neighbors have delayed their project. We um 747 01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:14,240 um we even came in I think our first um uh first uh hearing was on February 25th 748 01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:17,680 if I remember the exact date right and I think the planning commission was 749 01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:22,720 actually ready to approve it but we asked that it be held we as the as the 750 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:28,960 um you know as the applicant asked that it be held because of two um cost 751 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:33,119 impactive conditions the full half streetet improvements along Halvatia 752 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:38,480 widening the full you across our both frontage and the uh the condition at 753 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:43,440 that time was written around extending the water line from you know where Ruth 754 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:48,160 showed it on Shaw um you know roughly 2,000 ft or so to you know to provide 755 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:52,480 you know fire um you know fire protection you know water supply um so 756 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:57,039 we act we are the ones but everything else at that time was actually the 757 01:07:54,640 --> 01:08:00,720 commission was ready to pro approve it so I am it is interesting to me and 758 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,559 maybe there's different people here than last time there are a lot other points 759 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:09,520 being raised. I think Matt did a nice job addressing some of those uh or a lot 760 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:12,960 of them. Um but um but we were expecting this to be, you know, uh fairly 761 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:17,120 straightforward knowing that we still have some open things to tidy up as we, 762 01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:21,199 you know, as we finalize our design and actually get into permitting. But 763 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:25,120 anyway, that's uh that's it um from me. But thank you again for your help and 764 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:30,719 appreciate any support and you making this as easy as possible for us. 765 01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:35,199 » Thank you, Muhammad. Uh, and thank you for joining us from wherever you are. 766 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:40,480 Thank you, Matt. We're going to ask you all some questions now. Uh, I I will 767 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:44,640 answer uh the the point though, Muhammad, it is the same commission. 768 01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:49,199 None of our members have changed. Just I guess we've asked uh noticed a few more 769 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:53,880 questions that we had. But does the commission have any questions for the 770 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,880 applicant? 771 01:08:54,719 --> 01:09:01,480 Commissioner Brillo >> in the uh 772 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:10,319 » in the landscaping plan that was presented to us tonight. I I appreciate 773 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:16,279 that. Uh where the barn is, it is going to be or the shed that's going to be 774 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,279 demolished. 775 01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:26,159 um the landscape and I've heard your 776 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:33,440 comment which is well we will tear down the barn and we will keep the the 777 01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:38,239 platform as is and hopefully that can be not to put words in your mouth but can 778 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:47,440 be used as a a benefit. The landscape plan uh shows a 779 01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:52,640 possibility uh of uh adding tables, benches, umbrellas and interpretive 780 01:09:49,839 --> 01:10:00,960 exhibit. Um but basically they are deferred to a later date. Um, 781 01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:04,360 so my question to you, would any of those improvements 782 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:15,760 be worthy of your considerations so that the commission might be able to view the 783 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:21,360 platform as a public v benefit recognizing that the uh staff said 784 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:30,320 perhaps it's not. Uh but I'm also taking forth your comment which is we can work 785 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:37,120 out the issue of public access to that that platform. It seems in my opinion if 786 01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:43,199 you can work out the access which I think it would appear that it 787 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:46,920 can be done uh and you have the platform uh and 788 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:57,760 some if not all of the uh items can be laid on that platform. That would seem 789 01:10:54,480 --> 01:11:04,000 to me to be a very worthy public benefit, at least in my perception, 790 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:11,600 perhaps more so. Other commissioners may disagree with me, than the plaza 791 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:18,080 entrance directly right off of uh 792 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:22,159 Elvatia Road. I I'm I'm not trying to put you on the spot. 793 01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:28,159 I'm just asking if that is worthy of consideration 794 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:33,360 uh on your all's part uh at least from my standpoint since we seem to be as a 795 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:40,960 commission always struggling and worrying about what is a a legitimate 796 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:47,520 viable public benefit to projects. And trust me, you're not the first one. Um 797 01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:53,600 um I'm looking for something that just strikes me as a little bit more of a 798 01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:59,280 public benefit than uh what the staff reporter says, well all of these the 799 01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:08,080 only one that the staff feels, it's my words, comfortable with is the plaza 800 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:12,880 that's at the new front door. So, 801 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:17,360 have I rambled on enough? I apologize. >> No, it's it's okay. I'm I'm happy to 802 01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:21,440 answer that from from an uh an owner perspective. That is what you described 803 01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:25,760 is exactly our vision for that um that viewing platform. It was for our our 804 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:31,440 community members and for the public. And we we fully plan to um place tables, 805 01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:34,800 chairs. I'm not sure about the interpretive exhibit. We haven't really 806 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:38,640 I mean I think that was a thought we had kicked around at some point, but the 807 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:43,199 point is we do plan to to do everything you described. And like Matt said, you 808 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:48,400 know, there is walk sideway paved access. You can see it off of Pubil's 809 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:53,440 and and from the entry plaza to that area. Um so we uh we we that was that's 810 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:59,600 our plan and we're fully supportive of that. 811 01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:07,199 » If I can add um of course the the entry plaza was was proposed because it's the 812 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:11,520 front door. It's we we get it. It's there not going to be too many 813 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:17,440 pedestrians. maybe people on bikes. Um but uh but we also and we discussed this 814 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:24,640 with staff. It's not shown on this plan, but we discussed this with staff that um 815 01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:30,880 they want to to build a wall um for security and traffic safety. So it' be 816 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:35,120 it would go in front of that um plaza and around in front of the water tower 817 01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:40,719 and kind of around the corner not not so it be blocking sight distance but 818 01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:45,360 um six foot wall obviously a gate opening so you can walk in but it would 819 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:50,080 be lockable um is the is my understanding um 820 01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:53,520 Mohammad could could speak to that but that was our thinking is it was really 821 01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:57,440 for safety but >> but the plaza was put there because it's 822 01:13:55,679 --> 01:14:03,360 the entrance and you see it from the road. But we were quite encouraged about 823 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:08,960 the um this platform because it's it's right there that the the 824 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:13,840 uh um creek and the vegetated quarter, it's all going to be planted. It's going 825 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:19,440 to be a even though it's not a a mapped habitat area, it's it's a it's a it's a 826 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:22,440 wide um landscaped area, all native vegetation. 827 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:35,120 Vice President Saka, >> can I This is the first time I'm hearing 828 01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:40,159 about a wall. Can Can I stop, please? >> Yeah. Um heard about it last week. Um 829 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:46,480 I'm grateful that they brought it up so that we can um identify for them. In 830 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:49,760 that meeting there was uh and I believe I have a condition in there saying you 831 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:54,560 need a modification if you're going to propose it. There's a lot of ripple 832 01:14:51,520 --> 01:15:00,480 effects for it. Um the first is that it needs to be outside the pee. So outside 833 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:05,199 the 8 foot pee, there's already a restricted pee there because of the 834 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:10,480 existing building. We have BMS and landscaping that's being proposed along 835 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:17,199 that frontage um that's supposed to be a landscape buffer and is already reduced. 836 01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:22,080 and um then the height of it as well um as if it goes in front of the entry 837 01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:27,600 plaza then it negates the effect of it. It also is why I brought up the idea of 838 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:32,000 the um practicality of the community garden and the viewing deck because I'm 839 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:37,440 hearing from them security um concerns and wanting to wall off the site. So 840 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:43,840 that does not seem to me to be a creation of an a publicly approachable 841 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:49,040 um project. If I can add to that, um, we we weren't 842 01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:52,719 talking about a wall where the burm is. Um, it was really just in front of the 843 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:59,679 and it' be gate. It'd be a gate, a wall and a gate. Um, with opening, you could 844 01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:06,960 see through it, but not um uh but for vehicle and and just safety. Um, and 845 01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:11,360 then in front of the uh um water tower, it can't we were told by uh staff it 846 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:16,320 can't be in the pee. So it would be it'd be at 8 ft 8 ft behind the property line 847 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:22,080 and it would just go to that just that little section of the of uh from either 848 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:25,840 side of the um existing building. >> So this is why a site plan is so 849 01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:31,120 important because then again you're getting into vision clearance issues 850 01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:36,320 with a wall. It's not just you know it's fences are easier. walls um they still 851 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:41,040 have challenges, but walls are a whole another magnitude as far as um locating 852 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:43,600 them and and incorporating them into the site. 853 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:48,719 » Yeah. Can I can I make make some comments because I'd like to clarify 854 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:54,480 some things. The the quote unquote wall, this was actually something that we as 855 01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:59,679 owners had requested after um you know the you may have heard that a bullet was 856 01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:03,440 accidentally fired into the side of our existing prayer hall. uh fortunately was 857 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:08,320 an accident. It was not a hate crime, but there have been hate crimes um and 858 01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:13,760 attacks on other uh religious institutions around around the country. 859 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:18,080 So, we had thought and we were honestly we were only talking about at the entry 860 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:22,400 plaza because that is going to be like Matt described the main entrance and 861 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:28,239 people will congregate there. We we were afraid of two things. one, a car 862 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:33,760 driving, you know, on Helvatia, veering off the road and going into a crowd of 863 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:38,480 people, and two, um, you know, some kind of, you know, you know, um, hate crime 864 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:42,800 of some sort, a shooting, anything that could happen at a, you know, a 865 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:47,280 congregation of people. Um, so we not talking, we, you could call it a wall or 866 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:51,679 a fence. We were looking for something that would be somewhat protective, but 867 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:56,400 we would consider it more of like a, you know, a solid fence of some sort where 868 01:17:54,080 --> 01:18:00,960 in the past we had thought about keeping it open. Um, but we can also consider 869 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:04,800 ballards or something. We just need to keep people safe as our high pri highest 870 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:08,199 priority which I'm sure this commission would agree with. 871 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:19,840 Commissioner Fromsh, >> I think I have a question for you as a 872 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:24,000 professional I'm pointing to the person at the desk for those who are listening. 873 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:31,360 Um, in your professional career, have you 874 01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:34,800 previously gotten to this point with an application, 875 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:40,560 been in front of a planning commission somewhere where so many things were 876 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:46,159 unresolved and you ended up with a completed 877 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:50,960 um building at the end. 878 01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:54,880 like is this is because I think we're identifying that there's quite a lot 879 01:18:52,320 --> 01:19:01,199 that's unresolved here and it sounds to me like the staff and you are hearing 880 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:05,280 different things from each other and our decision making has to occur with what's 881 01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:10,239 in front of us in the record not what you all are proposing verbally and I'm 882 01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:14,159 questioning whether or not this is a sort of normal part of this 883 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:18,080 » I've been before Hillsboro Planning Commission many times over the years and 884 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:25,120 yeah we've had to come back a month later with some revisions. I personally 885 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:31,199 I don't think there's much that is not this this this wall fence issue is we 886 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:37,120 could come back with a with a with a plan for it a design. Um we could come 887 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:43,280 back with more detail on on the uh PL or I should say the uh platform. Um but the 888 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:50,400 other is is is engineer other is related to engineering. I don't see 889 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:54,880 the traffic as a as a un as a unresolved issue. We could get a maybe another memo 890 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,920 from the traffic engineer and something from the county, but this is what they 891 01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:04,880 decided. But yeah, I've over the years 892 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:13,360 um uh even in this this body come back um uh for a second hearing to 893 01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:19,360 improve on a project um change it in some manner and uh and so I I think we w 894 01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:24,159 we would welcome that. we'd welcome the a continuence to the uh September 895 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:29,360 whatever day that is um provide something back to Ruth in at whatever 896 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:34,480 time she needs. >> So from I I'll just speak to my 897 01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:38,000 perspective on this one. So we have to decide about the public benefit part 898 01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:42,159 like that's our main function here is to decide whether or not the adjustments 899 01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:47,600 that you've requested because of the limitations of the site um whether the 900 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:53,679 proposed public benefits weigh in favor of allowing you to do that um 901 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:58,159 without knowing whether the public benefit you've proposed will actually be 902 01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:01,280 accessible to the public via because it may have a fence or a ballard or 903 01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:07,920 whatever in front of it. It's really difficult for me personally to make a 904 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:12,719 decision um because it's difficult to decide whether or not the public will 905 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:17,600 have access to that thing or not without those things being resolved. Um that's 906 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:23,120 where I struggle with this and I would think I would support the idea of 907 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:26,719 continuence and giving you a chance to really iron these things out so that we 908 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:32,880 can decide based on what's actually in front of us. um as opposed to verbal. 909 01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:37,320 » Well, I will I will uh pass that to Muhammad, but that's my recommendation. 910 01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:44,800 » Yeah, I I have no issue with with that. Um um I will clarify one thing. We are 911 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:49,120 keep we are this property and the viewing platform will be accessible to 912 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:52,480 the public. You know, if we put a fence, you know, I'm going to call it a fence 913 01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:57,920 at the entry plaza, it will have an unlocked gate that is just for physical 914 01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:01,760 a physical protection. Similarly from poo bowls it's going to be open. We're 915 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:06,639 not putting a a flat fence around our entire property here. Uh so so it will 916 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:12,880 be accessible. But I I have no problem with continuation. Um though the one 917 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:18,320 thing I do ask though is if we can um you know I had sent uh you know I sent 918 01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:24,320 the request by email but also verbally made the you know mentioned it here. I 919 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:31,360 would like um in that you know next review to close I I would like serious 920 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:35,600 consideration of allowing us to defer the rest of the Halvatia half street 921 01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:40,400 improvements really the widening of Halvatia outside of the um obviously the 922 01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:45,920 right turn the northbound right turn lane and the del uh taper and the 923 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:50,000 sidewalk. No issues with th those. We just I'd just like to ask that we if 924 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:54,080 we're going to extend that we try to formally close could consider that 925 01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:58,800 seriously and formally close that as well. 926 01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:02,880 » Thank you, Muhammad. Commissioner ask anything else? No. Commissioner Davis, 927 01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:06,239 did you have a question? >> Yeah, Commissioner Davis, I was just 928 01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:11,040 going to kind of echo off of um my fellow commissioners with that. Um, I I 929 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:17,199 don't think I would feel comfortable, you know, voting on this until we had 930 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:22,159 more of a scope of what that wall or ballard would look like for the entire 931 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:26,000 property. Um, a lot of times public benefits are perceived, right? Um, so 932 01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:31,280 when people are driving down the road and they're seeing a structure that has 933 01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:34,880 a six- foot tall wall around it, that wouldn't look like much of a public 934 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:40,400 benefit to me driving by as just a citizen of the city of Hillsboro. So, 935 01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:43,840 um, you know, having access to those things, you know, that's a a road there. 936 01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:48,320 There's not a place to park on the side of the road. So, really the only access 937 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:53,679 is from the actual property itself. And that wouldn't look very welcoming, 938 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:59,159 right? So, um, I I would definitely want to see more information on that before 939 01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,159 we make a decision. 940 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:09,120 discuss. >> Uh we uh the question from Commissioner 941 01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:13,760 Jackson to me was if we were going to have time for uh discuss uh we are in 942 01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:19,760 questions and discussion with the applicant. So if you have a if we we we 943 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:23,360 are still in the public hearing uh portion of this. So if you do have 944 01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:28,480 comment or discussion you want to throw out on the table. Uh but real quick uh 945 01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:34,960 if you're were you going to go on to something slightly oh additionally. 946 01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:40,560 Okay. Okay, Commissioner Jackson. Um, I find this one really tricky because it 947 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:46,000 is such an interesting location and plot and so 948 01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:52,639 it's really hard like the public benefit part for me 949 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:56,320 already just because this is not like a easily accessible place in general. 950 01:24:55,120 --> 01:25:01,760 We're not going to have a lot of people I imagine walking and 951 01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:06,400 on this path. I for one would not be walking on this. Um I don't go walking 952 01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:11,840 down Halvatia very often. I don't think most of us do. Um 953 01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:17,760 and I actually like understand the concerns of safety. I think that's 954 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:22,719 that's a valid concern. So it's really it is tricky. Um, 955 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:27,440 but I think I think I'm kind of what the rest of you were that maybe this needs 956 01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:31,920 to come back and with a little more thought and kind of workarounds on that 957 01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:37,440 because it's yeah, it's a tricky one because I'm not quite sure how you get 958 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:42,000 around some of these issues with the public benefit and also, you 959 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:46,239 know, keeping that safety mind. I do think that's important as well. So, 960 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:50,080 yeah, that's just my comment I have. >> Thank you, Commissioner Jackson. 961 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:54,480 Commissioner Throsh, can you provide us with the actual date that's available 962 01:25:52,719 --> 01:26:01,360 for the next >> Yes. So, it would be September 23rd and 963 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:07,040 a 4-week extension of the 120day deadline. 964 01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:13,120 » We would need a four-week extension to for that. Um so the meeting so you would 965 01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:18,960 not so there's one meeting on the 9th >> that would mean a turnaround of tomorrow 966 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:23,600 for preparation material so that by default then we head to the next meeting 967 01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:28,000 which is the 23rd September 23rd which is four weeks from tonight 968 01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:31,679 » but you said that would require an extension on the 120 days. 969 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:35,920 » Yes. Uh yeah a four-week extension of the 120day period. 970 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:42,239 » Okay. and they can limit the extension to that to that scope. Okay. 971 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:45,440 » Um I'd also it doesn't you don't have to agree to it, but I'd like to make a 972 01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:49,520 request that the applicant also provide the clean water services service 973 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:53,199 provider letter which would give confirmation as far as whether the 974 01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:58,679 community garden is allowed in the wetland and the septic drain fields are 975 01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:58,679 allowed in the wetland. 976 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:06,639 » Um Matt, is that something that could be could be provided? 977 01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:10,080 I believe it's uh two weeks out. So, yeah. Okay. And and by the way, the 978 01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:16,239 septic was never proposed in the wetland. It was in the buffer. But 979 01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:21,360 » uh anyway, we can I believe we can provide that maybe within two weeks. 980 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:25,760 » Okay. Wonderful. >> Can I get a verbal confirmation from the 981 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:29,320 applicant that's on the online that that timeline works? 982 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:34,880 » Yeah. And I appreciate you asking. I mean, I think I think it's the right 983 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:38,320 thing to do. It's not ideal, but it's that's the right thing to do if we can 984 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:42,480 close some of these things that were talked about. 985 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:47,199 » Okay. Um, with that, I'd make a motion to continue the public hearing until a 986 01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:50,800 date certain of September 23rd. >> I second the motion. 987 01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:52,800 » All right. We do still have to accept public testimony. 988 01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:57,760 » Oh, that's right. >> Uh, so is anybody here to do that? 989 01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:01,840 » There is actually there there is >> on this particular agenda item 990 01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:04,800 » on this item. Yes. Ann, I got this. I got I gota I gotta 991 01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:06,800 come. >> Sorry about that. 992 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:10,800 » Hold on just a second. >> I do hear from 993 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:13,280 » uh so we will we will get to the motion for a continuence in in just a moment. 994 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:17,600 Okay. >> I did want to quickly just take the 995 01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:25,679 commission's temperature on uh Muhammad's request for the uh some sort 996 01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:32,239 of delay or extension on or the timeline of the expansion of Helvatia. 997 01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:34,159 since that is something question. >> Okay. 998 01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:38,239 » Really? >> It's not us. That sounds like there's 999 01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:43,360 like transportation questions and all that that just needs to be clarified 1000 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:47,600 with staff because it wasn't clear to us here. There was no there was limited 1001 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:51,120 consensus between staff and the applicant. 1002 01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:58,080 » Okay. I he brought it up a couple times. I wanted to make sure that that I uh 1003 01:28:53,840 --> 01:29:02,639 that it got at least a check. Um, I I like the idea of a continuence. I 1004 01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:07,760 just think there's too many unresolved things. I think we're with this last uh 1005 01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:13,840 last little push, we'll we can get there. Uh, I I absolutely agree. Safety 1006 01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:19,520 is top priority. I want uh the the members of this uh of this establishment 1007 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:25,280 to be able to go and enjoy their worship in peace and with peace of mind that a 1008 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:30,239 car is not going to uh veer into the entry plaza. uh while and this this is 1009 01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:35,600 like Commissioner Jackson pointed out the the difficult part of our job 1010 01:29:32,719 --> 01:29:40,000 weighing that between public benefit and that is that's that's why we volunteer 1011 01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:46,400 to be here on Wednesday nights is to thread that uh figure out how to thread 1012 01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:51,840 that needle. Um so if no more questions for the applicant, I'd like to call for 1013 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:57,480 testimony from the the public. Uh Dirk Nudson has signed up to testify. So, 1014 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:08,719 oh, um, Derk, before you start, I got I'm going to 1015 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:12,480 read my little blur before I let you go. All right. First, we will hear from 1016 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:15,520 people who are in here here in person as I read your name from the blue card. 1017 01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:19,120 Already did that. Please come forward to the chair and table. You already did 1018 01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:25,199 that. You'll be given three minutes to provide your testimony. All right. Is 1019 01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:29,360 yours, sir? I have three minutes. >> Thank you for having me. I I didn't come 1020 01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:33,520 tonight to speak about this, but um this church used to be my neighbor in Old 1021 01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:37,199 Loreno. They were in the uh Unitarian Church there for a number of years. And 1022 01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:42,239 although I have no affiliation with them in any way, this is a really high 1023 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:45,120 quality organization and I appreciate the fact they serve the Muslim 1024 01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:49,840 community. So, I want to be very supportive. Um I feel like we're talking 1025 01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:55,040 in a vacuum here. Do any of you know that there's a 750,000 foot data center 1026 01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:59,760 going adjacent to this right now that's in planning? And I don't understand why 1027 01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:04,639 we're not seeing that. Maybe staff can't show you the map, but pubils and shop 1028 01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:09,040 are both going to have to be completely developed out, including in front of 1029 01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:14,000 them. And so I feel like it's not fair to you guys. It's not fair to them, but 1030 01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:20,159 maybe we're not far enough along yet. So looking at their map looks great. and 1031 01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:26,639 the concerns you have all valid but a small church versus 750,000 square 1032 01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:32,480 feet at the end of pubs there's a massive best battery array going there's 1033 01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:38,960 also a massive BPA power line that runs just through there so there's not a lot 1034 01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:44,800 of potential on publes for road traffic is also developing a future power 1035 01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:50,080 station AC uh directly north of this so traffic capacity on pupils is going to 1036 01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:54,560 be minimal truly. Um they've had to come before you for 1037 01:31:52,639 --> 01:32:00,159 conditional use. That's the way our code works. Um that data center does not have 1038 01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:04,480 to come before you. The data center does not have to offer a single public 1039 01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:10,320 benefit. So I want you to internalize that. I appreciate they need to do that. 1040 01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:15,040 So did the jet uh hanger going in, but they no longer have to do that. Um, I 1041 01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:19,440 think having the church is a public benefit. 1042 01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:23,440 Um, the wall could be an earth and berm. We allowed Intel to do that. They've got 1043 01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:31,280 fill dirt, so that's something Matt could work on, planted out with trees. 1044 01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:36,000 As far as other things, water, sewer, fire, that's all going to come shortly 1045 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:42,639 when the data center and the best array starts to go through final planning. 1046 01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:49,520 As far as public benefit, I would support anything they're doing. 1047 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:52,480 I think some trees and a nice forest to block out the view of this massive data 1048 01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:56,960 center you're going to see as you head to Elvisha Tavern. 1049 01:32:54,960 --> 01:33:01,840 The big water pipe also requires plantings and tributaries. So that 1050 01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:06,080 entire tributary could be planted with trees and grasses and things that will 1051 01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:10,000 help cool our water and all the runoff that's to come from the north and to the 1052 01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:13,360 east. So, I see a lot of things that could benefit the community. Um, and 1053 01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:17,520 maybe when they come back, they can deliver a home run for you guys. And I 1054 01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:20,960 wish you could see everything on one map. That would be a great thing for 1055 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:25,679 planning to do for all of you. Thank you for everything you do for Hillsboro. 1056 01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:28,760 Thank you. All right. 1057 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:35,679 Um, uh, Bri, do we have anyone online 1058 01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:40,960 pre-registered to testify on this item? >> No one is pre-registered this evening. 1059 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:45,520 All right. Uh staff, any comments on the testimony or any additional staff 1060 01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:49,840 information to provide? >> Not at this time. Thank you. 1061 01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:53,840 » All right. Uh would the applicant like to respond or present a rebuttal to the 1062 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:58,000 public testimony? Rebuttal testimony shall be limited to responding to the 1063 01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:02,960 evidence and testimony presented without introducing new evidence. 1064 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:08,239 No. All right. Uh, do I have a motion from 1065 01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:10,560 the commission to close or continue the hearing? 1066 01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,440 Now, >> can I ask a question real quick? 1067 01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:16,960 » Uh, Commissioner Davis, >> can we ask that the staff does include 1068 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:22,280 other future developments that are currently in consideration for that 1069 01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:22,280 area? 1070 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:29,440 » Well, I feel like the relevance would be for the water and sewer possibility. 1071 01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:36,719 I feel like that was asked, but there is a potential that there could be future. 1072 01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:41,199 It's all um so we would love for this applicant to wait until those utilities 1073 01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:46,719 are out there or even for a decision to be issued for them so that then we can 1074 01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:51,440 cross condition and incorporate um infrastructure coordination that 1075 01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:56,719 benefits um benefits them. But at this point in time we don't have anything um 1076 01:34:54,480 --> 01:35:00,560 that is legally binding. So we can certainly show it but you need to keep 1077 01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:05,199 in mind that it's just a visual. It's nothing that's um that's guaranteed that 1078 01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:09,239 we can base a decision on. >> Okay, 1079 01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:09,239 » that's why it's not in there. 1080 01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:16,400 » Commissioner Thromsh, >> I move to continue at the public hearing 1081 01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:20,080 until the date of September 23rd. >> Commissioner 1082 01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:24,560 Commissioner Jackson, I second. >> All right. I have a motion by 1083 01:35:21,679 --> 01:35:30,159 Commissioner Thraw Nash and a second by Commissioner Jackson to continue the 1084 01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:37,360 public hearing to dates uh date certain of September 23rd, 2026. 1085 01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:43,040 Uh all those in favor, please say I. >> I. 1086 01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:49,199 » All those opposed, any abstensions? Motion carries. 1087 01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:57,760 Uh we are going to uh break for a 10-minute recess. Uh be back at 7:45 1088 01:35:55,199 --> 01:36:00,760 p.m. to continue on to the next public hearing 1089 01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:21,719 » public testimony. Yeah. Yeah. 1090 01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:21,719 » All right. We are back. 1091 01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:26,120 We are back. 1092 01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:38,400 Got everybody's attention. Okay. Uh Bri, is it recording? I didn't hear the 1093 01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:42,800 voice. Okay. All right. Uh moving on to the uh second public hearing for this 1094 01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:48,560 evening. Community Development Code Amendment 00426 1095 01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:54,239 data and energy storage. The applicant is the city of Hillsbor. Uh there legal 1096 01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:58,560 is not applicable. Request consider making a recommendation to city council 1097 01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:03,280 on a community development code amendment addressing data storage and 1098 01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:08,880 energy storage use definitions and allowances. Order number 8502 is 1099 01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:14,639 available. The staff have any updates or additional 1100 01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:18,719 information that they wish to submit? >> Um, I do Good evening, commissioners. I 1101 01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:22,719 do have one additional piece of public testimony that came in by email about an 1102 01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:27,600 hour and a half ago. I printed it out for you all. Um, there's also a copy uh 1103 01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:31,679 in the for the public. There's a copy in the binder back there. Um, this is the 1104 01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:34,400 only piece of written testimony that wasn't included in a previous staff 1105 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:41,800 report. >> Okay. Thank you, Rachel. 1106 01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:41,800 staff report, please, Rachel. 1107 01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:52,320 And while she pulls that up, the if you're looking in the back, it's it's 1108 01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:56,560 got the blue and yellow banner at the top of Indivisible in the center. That's 1109 01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:59,560 the new piece of testimony that we just received. 1110 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:29,520 Good evening, commissioners. For the record, my name is Rachel Marble. I'm 1111 01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:34,639 the code and policy project manager in community development, and I am here 1112 01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:38,800 this evening to talk to you all about a proposed community development code 1113 01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:44,960 amendment that's specific to data and energy storage. 1114 01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:49,119 So, um, we had a work session about two or two weeks ago, not about two weeks 1115 01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:54,480 ago, um, where we kind of gave an overview of the recent, um, past couple 1116 01:38:51,920 --> 01:39:00,080 months conversations at city council, um, and went over the work plan, um, as 1117 01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:05,119 far as the work that has been directed, um, by council. And so, um, this code 1118 01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:11,280 amendment is the phase one code amendment that came out of that work 1119 01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:14,960 plan. Um so we will go through um the data data storage and processing use and 1120 01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:19,760 then talk about energy storage and generation after that and then I will 1121 01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:26,920 give a summary of the kind of next steps and timeline and the engagement that 1122 01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:26,920 we've done uh in the past two weeks. 1123 01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:34,400 So, just as a reminder, we did um go over this at the last at the work 1124 01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:39,679 session, but um this is kind of a summary of code feedback that we 1125 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:46,880 received to date through previous work sessions from council. Um the box on the 1126 01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:50,400 left hand side is are the items that are are being addressed in the phase one 1127 01:39:48,719 --> 01:39:54,800 code amendment. The items that are outside of that box are items um that 1128 01:39:52,480 --> 01:40:01,119 aren't addressed but are going to be addressed in phase two. The second code 1129 01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:06,639 amendment um will be kicking off this fall um and will be following um 1130 01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:12,239 economic and environmental impact studies that were also a part of that 1131 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:18,400 work plan. Um the request for proposals for consultants for those studies are 1132 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:22,400 going are um aiming to go out this week and they'll have a three-week open 1133 01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:27,199 period before closing and we'll select a consultant. Those studies are um or 1134 01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:31,440 aiming for them to take three three to five months. Uh and the phase two code 1135 01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:36,560 amendments will be informed by some of the work that analyses that come out of 1136 01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:42,639 those. So um I there's going to be a lot of 1137 01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:47,840 text on these slides so my apologies on that. Um but I'll aim to kind of 1138 01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:52,560 summarize where there's been changes from the staff report. There were there 1139 01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:56,159 was an updated revised version of some of the language that was included in the 1140 01:40:54,320 --> 01:41:01,040 supplemental staff report that you received this afternoon and I 1141 01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:05,840 highlighted or changed the color in red where there was a change um from the 1142 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:11,040 previous version that you received. Um the changes that we were made were based 1143 01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:17,040 on um comment that we received both from the public and from um industry and 1144 01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:22,960 utility partners um trying to capture some of that feedback. So this is the 1145 01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:28,000 use category establishment of the use category for data storage. Um this was 1146 01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:33,119 originally just titled data storage but um we've renamed it data storage and 1147 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:37,520 processing. Um it did already cover processing but the title didn't reflect 1148 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:43,040 that. Um so we wanted to acknowledge that data storage this C use category is 1149 01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:50,159 more than static storage and is meant to capture um data processing as well. Um, 1150 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:54,480 we also added um a uh sentence at the end to acknowledge that it um does 1151 01:41:52,719 --> 01:42:01,360 include facilities that are specifically for artificial intelligence computing um 1152 01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:07,360 to uh ensure that they're not um falling under or or applicants don't um ask for 1153 01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:11,199 them to fall under a different use category that they're truly intended to 1154 01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:17,119 fall under this this use category in the code. 1155 01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:21,119 So um that's the the first part uh is the use category itself and then I'll 1156 01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:26,639 talk about what's being proposed as far as where they're being proposed to be uh 1157 01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:30,560 prohibited and limited in the code. So just as a reminder of where they're 1158 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:34,800 currently allowed. Um this is a list of all of the zones. Um they are currently 1159 01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:39,520 allowed in all of the industrial zones which are the zones on the left. Um, the 1160 01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:44,639 only zone that has a limitation currently is the IS industrial sanctuary 1161 01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:48,880 zone, which is the asterisk there. Um, there are limitations currently in the 1162 01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:54,639 Jackson East sub area and in the Meek sub area of the IS zone. Um, they're 1163 01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:59,520 also currently allowed in four other zones, the commercial general zone, and 1164 01:42:57,119 --> 01:43:05,679 then three of our urban center zones, which are mostly found in Amberlenn. 1165 01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:11,280 So that uh this is a map of what the that looks like instead of just a list. 1166 01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:14,560 Um the all of those zones uh this is not showing every zone in the city. This is 1167 01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:18,920 just showing highlighted the zones where data centers are currently permitted. 1168 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:26,320 Um and just to go back, sorry, all of the blue zones, the shades of blue on 1169 01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:31,360 this map are the industrial zones and then the red is commercial. Uh, and the 1170 01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:34,360 the pink and green are the urban center zones. 1171 01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:42,159 So, as far as what's being proposed in the amendment, we're proposing that it 1172 01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:48,320 would be prohibited in all of those zones previously mentioned except two. 1173 01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:52,960 Um, and those two being the IP industrial park and is industrial 1174 01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:58,000 sanctuary. And that they be limited in those two zones by acreage. Um, and I 1175 01:43:56,239 --> 01:44:01,600 have I'll show another map in just a minute to show you what those two zones 1176 01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:07,520 specifically look like in the city and where they're located. Um, so the 1177 01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:13,440 current proposal is that in the IP industrial park zone, they be limited to 1178 01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:21,840 215 gross acres total. There are currently 203.17 1179 01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:28,080 acres of um constructed or in process um in permitting data centers in that zone. 1180 01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:32,000 And then in is industrial sanctuary the proposal is that the existing 1181 01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:37,040 limitations in both Jackson East and Meek sub area remain as they stand in 1182 01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:42,320 the code um because those were contextual to those areas when they were 1183 01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:47,520 planned and then that all the other sub areas in the is industrial sanctuary 1184 01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:54,159 zone be limited to 310 gross acres total. Um I will note that um there's 1185 01:44:51,040 --> 01:45:00,719 there are currently 292.29 29 acres total and that was uh a error in the 1186 01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:03,920 first staff report um that was corrected this afternoon in the second staff 1187 01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:08,800 report. So it was originally report uh reported as 297 acres. It's actually 1188 01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:14,560 292.29. Um so that's what currently stands today 1189 01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:19,520 as far as in process or constructed data centers in that zone. 1190 01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:26,639 As far as u so sorry go back really quick. So those totals of what is being 1191 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:32,960 proposed as the limitations um allto together are about 68 ac or there aren't 1192 01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:38,679 about they are 608 acres total across those two zones um with Jackson East 1193 01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:38,679 included. 1194 01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:45,920 Um so again this is where uh the zones that they're currently allowed in. 1195 01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:53,280 showing you the previous map and then this is uh a map of the IP and is zones 1196 01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:58,000 um where those limitations would be. Um and obviously the map uh or not 1197 01:45:56,320 --> 01:46:02,000 obviously the map is only showing properties that have been annexed. There 1198 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:06,000 are some properties in the North Hillsboro area that will be zoned is 1199 01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:11,040 once they're brought into the city once they're annexed. Um but they are not 1200 01:46:08,719 --> 01:46:17,600 accounted for in the the acreage totals that I'll give you now. Um, just to give 1201 01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:23,600 you an idea of what that size comparison looks like, um, that box is is 1202 01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:27,840 approximately representing 608 acres. Um, and that's not showing a location of 1203 01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:32,719 data centers. That's just to give you kind of a comparison on the map of of h 1204 01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:37,280 uh the acreage and what that looks like in the zone, which in the IP and is 1205 01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:41,119 zones, there's current currently within city limits 3,841 1206 01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:47,679 acres. So the allow uh the permitted or limited 1207 01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:54,960 608 acres would be about 15.8% of those two zones specifically and 1208 01:46:50,800 --> 01:47:00,800 about 9.7% of the city's employment land uh in general which is a larger number. 1209 01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:04,960 It's about 6,200 acres. Um the employment land doesn't just account for 1210 01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:10,560 industrial zones. It accounts for um other zones as well including commercial 1211 01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:19,600 and mixed use. Um so when um we discussed at the work session um how we 1212 01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:25,760 kind of arrived at this proposal um I um explained that um our city's economic 1213 01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:32,320 opportunity analysis um adopted economic opportunity analysis 1214 01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:37,920 um projected that we would need six to 10% of the city's employment land for 1215 01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:44,320 data center use uh in the future. Um and that uh that was a few years ago. 1216 01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:51,719 So um this 9.7% is on the higher end of that 6 to 10% um but still falls within 1217 01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,719 that projected range. 1218 01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:59,119 So that's uh and I should have clarified at the beginning of that these acreage 1219 01:47:57,119 --> 01:48:03,360 caps are for data centers as a primary use of a site or standalone data 1220 01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:10,080 centers. So the amendment also um includes 1221 01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:15,199 language for uh to limit data centers as an accessory use. Um currently there's 1222 01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:21,440 not limitations in the code for accessory uses as far as um how how in 1223 01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:25,440 comparison to the primary use on the site. Um generally in the code um 1224 01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:31,199 there's a very general definition of accessory uses and what makes something 1225 01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:37,280 accessory to a primary use. Um so this would be adding some limitations around 1226 01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:41,600 data centers as an accessory use and um it would be allowed with limitations. 1227 01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:46,719 Those limitations being that it would need to serve exclusively serve the 1228 01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:52,400 primary use on the site tenants or partners. Um it would not be allowed to 1229 01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:57,440 lease data storage processing or computing services to third parties. And 1230 01:48:55,199 --> 01:49:02,560 then um the current proposal for acreage or for limit size limitation is that it 1231 01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:06,679 would not be able to exceed 30% of the gross acreage of the site. 1232 01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:16,480 In addition to that, um there is some language that was added um based on a 1233 01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:24,880 conversation at a council work session um allowing uh some limited ability for 1234 01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:29,840 uses to transfer accessory use ability offsite 1235 01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:34,480 and um there was some edits that were made to this as well. Um it was pointed 1236 01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:39,119 out that there was not a a receiving zone for this and um that it it didn't 1237 01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:44,159 limit where the capacity could be transferred um which was an oversight 1238 01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:50,480 definitely. So uh the limitation was added that the um if if a use was 1239 01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:54,480 wishing to use this provision and transfer their data center capacity 1240 01:49:52,080 --> 01:50:01,199 offsite. Um it would need to be located in an industrial zone. um the the 1241 01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:07,440 receiving site. Um it would need to be transferred still used exclusively 1242 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:13,520 um to serve that the function of the primary use can't again can't be used um 1243 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:17,280 as leased data storage space and it would be need to be transferred to an 1244 01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:25,360 affiliated location. Um the reason uh for part of the reason 1245 01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:32,320 for this um addition was due to industry feedback on sites that have more than 1246 01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:37,040 one location in Hillsboro and um for for example healthcare sites that have more 1247 01:50:34,639 --> 01:50:41,760 than one location in Hillsboro and a desire to be able to have their data 1248 01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:46,560 storage capacity centrally located versus dispersed throughout their their 1249 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:53,760 sites. Um so that's what this is aiming to capture um is the ability to 1250 01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:59,760 centralize that um and do that um have that data storage be more efficient um 1251 01:50:56,320 --> 01:51:05,520 at a central location or at a a location not central lo uh sitewise but at a 1252 01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:14,239 location that's kind of um serving multiple sites um in the city. 1253 01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:20,480 Um so that's uh data storage and processing. Um I can pause there um for 1254 01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:25,040 questions or I can cover energy storage as well and then do questions after 1255 01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:25,040 that. 1256 01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:35,520 Um, Commissioner Jackson, um, as far as the 1257 01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:39,360 primary use, um, is that going to be defined anywhere in the code just 1258 01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:44,560 because I know with technology specifically that could evolve and 1259 01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:49,880 change? Is that going to be like more defined than just the word primary use? 1260 01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:58,480 as far as what makes something what makes a data center a primary use of a 1261 01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:04,320 site, >> right? Like maybe so if they're if if 1262 01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:10,719 it's meant to be like okay where they has to be primary use and that 1263 01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:14,400 organization decides we're steering in a totally different 1264 01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:19,520 direction now our use is changing that would change what that primary use would 1265 01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:22,239 be like how is that going to be um considered in the code if that makes 1266 01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:28,639 sense. >> Um I think it makes sense. So um the way 1267 01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:34,080 the code works now for for all of the uses essentially is it defines the use 1268 01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:38,239 categories and tells uh like lists uses that are considered falling under that 1269 01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:42,800 use category in the code and I didn't include the um full text of this but 1270 01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:47,599 there are examples of this use included under this um use category. So the way 1271 01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:51,760 the use categories are structured, it gives characteristics of the use 1272 01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:57,599 category, examples of the use, um examples of accessory uses to that use 1273 01:52:54,719 --> 01:53:04,239 and then um exceptions or clarifications where it might be um there might be uses 1274 01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:08,560 that could be confused as that use and we want to make a clarification saying 1275 01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:15,920 no, that's actually a different use. Um and then it it defines accessory. So, if 1276 01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:20,719 it's not meeting the accessory use >> um definition, essentially it's it's a 1277 01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:24,639 primary use of a site. Um you know, any applicant development application when 1278 01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:30,480 they come in, they're defining their primary use of the site. Um and that's 1279 01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:35,119 um that's a part of their development application. And so when they're 1280 01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:39,280 defining the primary use, that impacts a lot of things down the line, too, like 1281 01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:44,560 how we assess fees um based on what primary use of the site it is. um you 1282 01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:48,480 know when if a building comes in as a primary use of an office for example and 1283 01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:52,000 then they want to convert to something else later they would have to go back 1284 01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:55,360 through permitting to do a change of occupancy or a change of use to let us 1285 01:53:53,679 --> 01:53:59,199 know that they're they're changing the use of that building. Um so it's defined 1286 01:53:57,679 --> 01:54:04,000 when they go through land use what the what the primary use of the site is. Um 1287 01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:07,920 and then would be um subject to change either through land use or building or 1288 01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:10,639 permitting if they wanted to convert it to something else in the future. 1289 01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:13,199 » Okay. Thanks, >> Commissioner Jackson. Just one 1290 01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:19,040 additional add to that for the record. Dan Diaz, um, in community development 1291 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:22,639 code section 12.10.10, it's a a few sections ahead of what 1292 01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:26,159 Rachel showed on the screen is really where that what Rachel just described is 1293 01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:29,920 outlined. So, if the commission or the public or anybody else would like to 1294 01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:32,960 look at that specific language more, um, that's just the the specific reference 1295 01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:36,199 if you'd like. >> Thank you. 1296 01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:48,480 » I'm done. Um yeah, this is Commissioner Kash. I'm 1297 01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:54,880 gonna probe at the um the max acres bit a bit. Um so my understanding and you 1298 01:54:52,960 --> 01:55:01,760 can help me make sure I'm correct is that even if we annex new industrial, 1299 01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:05,199 you know, is or IP land that the total gross acres would control. Is that 1300 01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:09,599 correct? >> The total Yeah. The reason I pointed 1301 01:55:07,599 --> 01:55:14,320 that out is just that the the current number that I had for, 1302 01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:18,080 sorry, let me go one more. Oh, no, too fast. 1303 01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:22,480 There it is. Um, that current acreage for the IP and is zones only accounts 1304 01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:26,960 for properties within city limits. Properties outside city limits don't get 1305 01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:31,920 zoning until they annex. Um, so the what would change in that scenario is not the 1306 01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:35,840 total acreage cap. What would change is the percentage of how much is is allowed 1307 01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:39,520 to be data center because it would it would go down because there would be 1308 01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:43,679 more acreage in the city. >> Okay, great. So I did understand that. 1309 01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:47,920 Um and then the next question I have is kind of the same thing is kind of about 1310 01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:53,840 vacating buildings. So let's say you know there is some question about 1311 01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:59,280 whether data center um business plans will hold and how how certain they are 1312 01:55:56,239 --> 01:56:05,679 over time. So, let's have a scenario where some some um company drops out of 1313 01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:12,400 the the um data center business and they have an empty building. Um 1314 01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:17,679 when so then presumably that would open up space in that cap. Is that correct? 1315 01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:21,599 » Um it wouldn't it wouldn't until somebody changed the occupancy or use of 1316 01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:26,159 that building. >> Okay. So, if somebody was to come back 1317 01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:29,119 and say, "Oh, good. there's a data center available and I can put my 1318 01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:33,280 servers in there. Um, then they would have to reapply and then they would have 1319 01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:37,360 to deal with whatever cap whatever amount of data center was available and 1320 01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:40,239 whether or not they could then have what they wanted again. Is that right? Am I 1321 01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:47,440 explaining that correct? >> I I think I understand the question. Um, 1322 01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:52,560 so the inventory that's attached as exhibit ZC C is meant to capture all of 1323 01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:59,040 our currently um in process or uh 1324 01:56:56,000 --> 01:57:04,320 constructed data center sites. So say one of those sites decided to no longer 1325 01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:08,400 be a data center anymore. um we wouldn't remove that off of the capacity rules 1326 01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:12,080 until somebody purchased that building and said, "I'm doing I'm changing the 1327 01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:16,480 occupancy of the building and it's no longer a data center. We're going to do 1328 01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:21,199 manufacturing instead." Um but when they did that, we would 1329 01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:26,800 » release that capacity back into the pool as it were um to 1330 01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:30,560 a a new development application, but we wouldn't do that until the occupancy of 1331 01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:35,960 the building had been changed. >> Great. I just wanted to understand how 1332 01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:35,960 that would work. Thank you, 1333 01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:44,000 » Commissioner Davis. Um, so I have some questions in regards to some of these 1334 01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:50,960 caps as well. Um, going to the primary use type. 1335 01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:56,880 If a development um or a piece of land that is currently, you know, a lower 1336 01:57:53,840 --> 01:58:01,920 intensity data center were to decide that they want to redevelop into a much 1337 01:57:59,199 --> 01:58:06,080 higher intensity data center. How is this going to restrict that? Because 1338 01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:13,119 that could utilize the same amount of space on the ground for acreage, but 1339 01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:17,360 it's actual drain on the resources could be exponentially higher. 1340 01:58:15,599 --> 01:58:23,599 » Yeah. So, that's not addressed in the phase one code amendment. Um things like 1341 01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:26,960 energy use and building height and um setbacks, how the buildings are 1342 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:29,920 constructed, um those are not being addressed in the phase 1 code amendment 1343 01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:37,119 and would be addressed in the phase 2 code amendment. Um so to go back to your 1344 01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:41,760 initial question uh this we're we're in this phase limiting it by acreage of the 1345 01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:46,159 site. So if there was a site that was an existing data center and uh well right 1346 01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:52,159 now they can't submit any applications because there's a moratorum. that if uh 1347 01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:58,000 if if their moratorum ceases to exist when it ends um if it ends and council 1348 01:58:54,960 --> 01:59:02,960 doesn't elect to extend it then um it wouldn't be regulating based on uh 1349 01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:07,840 intensity of the site at this time during phase one. It would just be 1350 01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:13,040 looking at the acreage. So um that would be something that we're going to address 1351 01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:17,199 in phase two based on um information we get from the environmental and economic 1352 01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:20,000 impact studies. Okay, Commissioner Davis, can I just 1353 01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:23,599 clarify one additional piece of your question? Is you're saying that if the 1354 01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:27,520 building the structure footprints changed, but really the equipment inside 1355 01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:30,639 and therefore the demands on say power infrastructure changes. 1356 01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:34,080 » I mean, it doesn't even necessarily have to be the same building. if they were to 1357 01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:37,760 wipe that building out and rebuild it into say like a Google data center like 1358 01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:41,520 the city of the Dallas is dealing with right now 1359 01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:45,040 » where they're now expanding not only with new data center they're but they're 1360 01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:51,840 also expanding the original data center that's been there for 20ome years 1361 01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:57,280 » um and and increasing its ability to to compute more data and it's utilizing a 1362 01:59:54,480 --> 02:00:03,599 lot more electricity a lot more water >> one additional piece I'll just add into 1363 02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:09,119 uh Rachel's response which was was very accurate is I think it's important to 1364 02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:12,239 also remind the the commission that when we're looking at these uses and their 1365 02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:15,440 impacts on infrastructure Rachel's absolutely right we're conducting the 1366 02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:19,760 studies right now to continue to update our knowledge and awareness of 1367 02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:24,239 utilization of of services but there is a land use review component that is 1368 02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:29,280 really looking at the site development the facility itself to a degree the 1369 02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:32,239 utility demands and somewhat in conjunction with that there separate 1370 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:35,199 utility reviews that are happening some of which happen at the city level some 1371 02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:39,920 of which are also happening within our our uh utility partner. So in the 1372 02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:43,760 situation just for a couple of quick examples maybe this helps even with 1373 02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:48,639 future questions. If there was an existing building that's a data center 1374 02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:53,920 today and they were coming in and also going to use a higher density set of 1375 02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:58,400 equipment or significantly change power loads or water loads, they would have to 1376 02:00:55,840 --> 02:01:01,760 go they may not trigger a land use piece the way it's currently structured or 1377 02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:06,000 being proposed in this phase one code amendments, but they would still have to 1378 02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:08,960 go back and work with PGE for example to say we're increasing our load amount 1379 02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:12,880 that could put them into the large load study where those utility impacts and 1380 02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:17,199 serviceability are still being considered or if they were also going to 1381 02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:20,880 significantly increase their water usage beyond what we currently see, they would 1382 02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:24,880 have to then also coordinate and get permitting in with the appropriate water 1383 02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:28,000 utilities and the plumbing codes and plumbing permits and the like as well if 1384 02:01:26,639 --> 02:01:32,880 those systems were changing. So, I hope that that kind of helps. Whereas if 1385 02:01:29,599 --> 02:01:36,080 they're scraping it or expanding the the building footprint as well as densifying 1386 02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:39,760 or changing the equipment and that's changing the loads that puts a far 1387 02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:43,440 greater emphasis of now even more so you're having the land review in 1388 02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:46,480 addition and in conjunction with those utility reviews as well. So I hope that 1389 02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:48,400 kind of helps to where I think your question was also going why I wanted to 1390 02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:54,800 clarify. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh the second part of my 1391 02:01:50,719 --> 02:02:00,880 question is in regards to the accessory um portion of it uh with 30% threshold. 1392 02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:07,119 Um just curious so if if this is allowing 30% but this doesn't have say 1393 02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:11,599 like an acreage limit on it because this does not fall within that. Correct. 1394 02:02:10,719 --> 02:02:15,760 » Correct. >> Okay. So if you have like a very large 1395 02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:22,400 plot of land they could potentially 30% could still be very large data center. 1396 02:02:18,639 --> 02:02:27,119 Um the other part of that is uh you know go back to redevelopment with all of out 1397 02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:32,719 of all of the industrial land in Hillsboro this could potentially allow a 1398 02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:38,719 lot more data centers still as an accessory usage. Correct. 1399 02:02:35,440 --> 02:02:43,440 » Um I mean yes this isn't seeking the current structure of the code is not 1400 02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:48,719 seeking to prohibit them entirely. Um the direction that we were given was to 1401 02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:54,560 seek to limit and prohibit them in certain zones. Um so 1402 02:02:52,080 --> 02:03:00,239 yeah, you are correct. Um as an accessory use with limitations, it would 1403 02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:07,199 allow additional data center capacity use. Um the intention of the accessory 1404 02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:12,719 use piece is not for standalone data center companies to be using that. It's 1405 02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:17,920 for industry who has data storage and cap and and processing needs um that 1406 02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:23,520 serve their primary use on the site. Um and we have plenty of industries and 1407 02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:28,880 businesses in Hillsboro that rely on data centers to do their business. Um so 1408 02:03:27,199 --> 02:03:33,360 we don't want to eliminate that opportunity from the code um but are 1409 02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:38,880 instead seeking to find a way to limit it so that it's not taken advantage of. 1410 02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:46,440 Um, and so that a data center that truly is a primary use isn't using this uh to 1411 02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:46,440 construct a a standalone data center. 1412 02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:55,360 » Okay. Um just just out of curiosity and um maybe you showed it on a previous 1413 02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:59,920 slide, do we know how much acreage would be total 1414 02:03:57,119 --> 02:04:04,000 um for all of those two zones that we're proposing to allow data centers in so 1415 02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:07,920 that we could kind of figure out about what if this you know worst case 1416 02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:10,560 scenario every single one of these plots obviously that's not going to happen but 1417 02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:16,080 if every single one of these built out to 30% data 1418 02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:21,679 what would we be looking at >> if are you asking If every single lot in 1419 02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:24,080 the IPNI zone used 30% of their site for a data center, 1420 02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:30,480 » obviously worst case scenario. >> Yeah. I mean, if there's 3,841 1421 02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:36,800 acres in this in the city limits in those zones, so 30% of that is 1422 02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:42,239 a little above. Yeah. >> Um I I wish I was better at math off the 1423 02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:47,280 top of my head. 1,200 acres, 1300 acres if every single site in those two zones 1424 02:04:44,719 --> 02:04:51,880 was using their capacity. >> Okay. So, still quite a bit. 1425 02:04:52,560 --> 02:05:03,040 » Rachel, there's I want to focus myself on phase one. Can we look at that slide 1426 02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:07,119 one more time just to clarify the questions and the conversations that 1427 02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:12,239 we're going to have that we're focusing on addressing the phase one amendments. 1428 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:16,440 So, can I just pause here for a moment so I can just make sure I take notes. 1429 02:05:33,119 --> 02:05:36,440 Thank you. 1430 02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:55,760 Can we sh >> I have one more question. Um Rachel, 1431 02:05:53,840 --> 02:06:02,080 could you just for the sake of everybody here and the sake of people listening 1432 02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:06,560 online, um can you um describe a general list of those businesses that we have in 1433 02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:11,119 Hillsboro that rely upon accessory uses of data centers? I know that you 1434 02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:15,679 mentioned healthcare as one one industry that had asked to make sure that it was 1435 02:06:13,119 --> 02:06:20,239 possible for them to have an affiliated location. like do you have other just 1436 02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:24,560 sort of general broad categories of businesses in Hillsboro that use them? 1437 02:06:22,639 --> 02:06:27,679 » Commissioner Thrral Nash Dandas, for the record, I'll do my best to answer that, 1438 02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:31,599 but that frankly is also a good one to continue to engage um the different 1439 02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:34,960 industries in the region and the community, but the the I'll give you 1440 02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:41,040 industry categories that we're aware of that are reliant upon and using data 1441 02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:48,880 center capacity in Hillsborough. ranges from uh governmental entities uh state, 1442 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:53,440 local, uh regional. Uh it includes the healthc care industries. It includes uh 1443 02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:57,520 the advanced manufacturing industries and many of the subsets there including 1444 02:06:54,960 --> 02:07:01,679 high-tech, biotech, uh various life sciences. The outdoor athletic and 1445 02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:05,280 apparel industries are using data center capacity. Here we have financial 1446 02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:09,280 institutions and insurance companies using uh data center capacities. Here we 1447 02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:15,599 have law firms using data center capacity here. Um, we have social media 1448 02:07:13,599 --> 02:07:19,199 firms using data center capacity here. We have 911 call centers and 1449 02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:24,639 transportation entities using data center capacity here. I'm sure I'm 1450 02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:30,320 missing a couple. Um, we have higher ed research uh using data centers here. Um 1451 02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:35,119 so I hope that covers uh the nature of that and that really is the underpinning 1452 02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:37,920 of why the accessory portion of this we feel is important is because it what 1453 02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:43,520 it's trying to do is distinguish somewhat of allowed data capacity 1454 02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:47,280 consumption of resources with that data center capacity really being there to 1455 02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:51,520 support the underpinnings of the rest of our economy. Because if it data centers 1456 02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:55,040 we have to remember are both a industry unto themselves and frankly a type of 1457 02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:58,320 infrastructure. And so if the infrastructure capacity is not 1458 02:07:56,320 --> 02:08:01,520 available, it could start to significantly undermine some of those 1459 02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:05,599 other key target components of of the local economy. So I would encourage that 1460 02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:09,840 be at least considered as part of the policy conversation. I hope that hits 1461 02:08:08,239 --> 02:08:12,960 close to the mark of your question. >> Yeah, just a range of the different 1462 02:08:11,199 --> 02:08:15,840 kinds of industries that use them here in Hillsboro would be was what I was 1463 02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:20,079 after. So thank you, >> Commissioner Jackson. 1464 02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:25,440 Um, so you listed the different industries that it sounds like pro most 1465 02:08:23,199 --> 02:08:33,360 primarily are using for just data storage currently. Is there anything in 1466 02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:37,280 the code to identify um AI separately from those industries? 1467 02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:41,040 » Yeah, this came up in the work session with council as well. AI is I think 1468 02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:43,360 really important. So what I would ask commissioner if you don't mind is if you 1469 02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:45,920 wouldn't mind defining your understanding of what you're referring 1470 02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:48,960 to with AI there and then we'll do our best to try to respond because that can 1471 02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:52,560 mean a lot of things in a lot of scenarios. We just want to make sure we 1472 02:08:50,079 --> 02:08:57,760 hit the question appropriately. Yeah, I mean 1473 02:08:55,360 --> 02:09:04,159 to me I large language models and um the like 1474 02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:09,280 things that are creating you know images from other images those kind of things 1475 02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:13,840 like that you know not necessarily I mean I know like it's being pushed in a 1476 02:09:11,280 --> 02:09:18,639 lot of different industries to varying degrees of people who in those 1477 02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:22,480 industries wanting that or not. Um, so it's more like again whether because 1478 02:09:20,719 --> 02:09:29,520 we're categor if we're categorizing things, if we're putting this kind of in 1479 02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:35,520 its own categorization because um I I just look at that as a concern as far as 1480 02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:39,840 job creation and the impact on job creation. 1481 02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:44,320 » I'll do my best to answer this from the information staff has had available to 1482 02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:48,079 this. Um and again some of this I we're hoping maybe comes out of especially uh 1483 02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:51,440 some of the economic and the environmental uh studies we are are 1484 02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:56,400 launching. There are to our knowledge not the 1485 02:09:54,159 --> 02:10:00,719 hypers scale large language model data centers in Hillsboro 1486 02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:05,119 um that we're aware of from a staff standpoint. That's not to say there 1487 02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:09,760 aren't AI functions and data centers looking at things like the human genome 1488 02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:15,040 and how to come up with certain cures or or health related impacts or significant 1489 02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:20,320 artificial intelligence programs looking at various technology uh development 1490 02:10:18,719 --> 02:10:25,280 research and development or design or modeling or in some cases transportation 1491 02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:29,520 or environmental design or modeling or power grid uh modeling and efficiency 1492 02:10:27,679 --> 02:10:34,560 modeling. So that's why it becomes very tricky as to when we get the question of 1493 02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:37,280 is AI happening in Hillsboro. It is, but AI means a lot of different things to a 1494 02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:41,119 lot of different people. And so I hope that answers to the best of staff's 1495 02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:45,360 knowledge and ability what is currently here in our community and what we may 1496 02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:49,440 anticipate on the horizon or not. Um, and starts to parse out some of the 1497 02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:54,920 community concerns and understandings of the different types of AI that are out 1498 02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:54,920 there. 1499 02:10:57,440 --> 02:11:00,920 Go ahead, Rachel. 1500 02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:11,760 » Okay. So, next we'll move on to energy storage and generation. Um, this uh this 1501 02:11:09,119 --> 02:11:18,560 new use category. Previously, energy storage and generation was uh fell under 1502 02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:22,960 the utility facilities category. So this is pulling those uses out of the utility 1503 02:11:20,639 --> 02:11:28,719 facilities and uh kind of further defining them as their own use category. 1504 02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:35,199 Um multiple things would fall under oops fall under um this use category 1505 02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:42,800 including um battery energy storage systems best facilities um solar um 1506 02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:48,800 energy systems or solar panels um wind energy uh generation power generation 1507 02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:52,880 and then um other essentially other types of power generation that the 1508 02:11:50,639 --> 02:11:57,360 statute defines um which we are not seeking to permit in the city. those 1509 02:11:54,960 --> 02:12:03,520 other uh kind of catch all of other other facilities category. 1510 02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:09,679 Um just to go over a couple of changes to the exceptions. Um so um the 1511 02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:16,000 exceptions here really seek to clarify where power generation um is an 1512 02:12:13,199 --> 02:12:22,560 accessory use and not considered the primary use of a property or of a site. 1513 02:12:19,199 --> 02:12:27,599 Um so um the first being that um we wanted to clarify that roof mounted 1514 02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:34,239 solar energy systems are permitted um outright as an accessory use and not 1515 02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:40,719 limited um in any zone essentially. Um those are um 1516 02:12:37,199 --> 02:12:44,639 not um impacting land availability um because they're roof mounted. They're on 1517 02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:53,280 buildings. Um so we're not seeking to limit them by acreage. Um the second 1518 02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:57,280 exception here is to clarify that solar um panels when they're accessory to 1519 02:12:55,360 --> 02:13:01,440 certain uses are permitted outright in all zones and those uses would be 1520 02:12:59,280 --> 02:13:09,760 residential uses. So if somebody has um residential solar at their home um 1521 02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:14,639 institutional uses um so if it's um a um government organization, a research 1522 02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:20,560 organization, educational organization and infrastructure use. So, if it's 1523 02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:26,320 accessory to a utility facility, um for example, if um our water department 1524 02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:30,239 wanted to have solar generation at one of their sites, um they would be able to 1525 02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:41,360 do so. Um and then um a clarification was added 1526 02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:46,400 to um the exception that um allows power generation as a backup in emergency 1527 02:13:43,679 --> 02:13:53,280 situations. um to clarify that that's not um for that's for intermittent 1528 02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:59,119 emergency use, not for um continuous use and not for a primary uh primary power 1529 02:13:57,040 --> 02:14:07,360 generation or primary power source on a site. That was uh that word was added. 1530 02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:12,320 Um so that's um the use category itself. And then as far as where we are uh what 1531 02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:18,400 we're looking at for use restrictions for this use um there's two different 1532 02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:24,079 concepts included um the first concept um being what we uh kind of proposed 1533 02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:29,360 originally and looked at in the work session um that it would be prohibited 1534 02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:35,199 as a primary use in all zones and that best facilities and solar systems uh 1535 02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:40,480 would be permitted in industrial zones with per site acreage. limitations. Um, 1536 02:14:38,639 --> 02:14:46,079 a second concept was added after discussions with our utility partners 1537 02:14:42,719 --> 02:14:52,079 based on um, information that we got um, about kind of the needs the needs of 1538 02:14:48,159 --> 02:14:58,560 those partners. And um quite frankly seeking to um I think our intention with 1539 02:14:56,239 --> 02:15:03,360 this piece in the code is not to prohibit them in the city entirely but 1540 02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:12,159 to seek to site them in appropriate locations where they're um not the the 1541 02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:16,320 um not a primary in you know primary use of a site that's using a lot a large 1542 02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:21,360 amount of land. It's a land intensive use with low employment. So we want to 1543 02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:27,280 seek to site it um really intentionally and encourage collocation of that those 1544 02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:31,599 facilities where possible. Um so as a primary the second concept would include 1545 02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:38,719 allowing best facilities as a conditional use um as a primary um use 1546 02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:44,079 on a site with a maximum site size of 12 acres and then allowing it as an 1547 02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:48,000 accessory use. Um and it's been split into two um two different uses within 1548 02:15:46,639 --> 02:15:53,199 that category. the best facilities and the ground mounted solar systems, solar 1549 02:15:50,079 --> 02:15:58,320 energy systems. For best facilities, it would be 30% of the gross acreage of the 1550 02:15:55,599 --> 02:16:02,880 site, not to exceed six gross acres total. Um, and it would not have carry 1551 02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:06,960 an acreage limitation when it's colllocated with transmission and 1552 02:16:04,719 --> 02:16:13,760 distribution facilities. Um the intention there is to be able to capture 1553 02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:20,079 um land that we know land capacity that we know is available in BPA corridors 1554 02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:25,679 for example um where we can't site employment uses under those facilities 1555 02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:30,960 but um battery storage could very easily be cited there. So um aiming to kind of 1556 02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:35,200 strategically locate those in places where that land could not really be used 1557 02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:40,160 for something else. and then separately ground mounted solar 1558 02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:45,439 energy systems, solar panels. Um the same site limitation for accessory use, 1559 02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:50,000 30% of the gross acreage, not to exceed six gross acres total. Um and then 1560 02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:55,359 there's some additional um kind of exceptions that were put in there um so 1561 02:16:52,319 --> 02:16:59,280 that it fit into the code better um where we have some other kind of 1562 02:16:56,800 --> 02:17:05,359 requirements and and energy goals um sustainability goals. So those things 1563 02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:09,760 specifically were are um again colloccated with transmission and 1564 02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:14,479 distribution facilities. Um the second being when uh no limitation when they're 1565 02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:20,479 used as a climate action element for parking lot design um which is is there 1566 02:17:17,359 --> 02:17:24,559 uh one of the um options or climate action elements that were a part of the 1567 02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:31,840 climate friendly and equitable communities um code that we adopt were 1568 02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:39,120 required to adopt. Um so solar providing solar on site is one way to um mitigate 1569 02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:44,960 for um parking on a site. So we don't want to limit that um as an accessory 1570 02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:49,040 use of a site since it's um one of the options available to applicants when 1571 02:17:46,719 --> 02:17:54,319 they're trying to mitigate uh for parking lots. And then um also lastly 1572 02:17:52,399 --> 02:17:57,920 when it was when it's being provided as a public benefit through a land use 1573 02:17:55,920 --> 02:18:03,120 decision. We didn't want to um make those subject to the cap as well since 1574 02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:08,000 those would go through a public hearing um and would be before you all to decide 1575 02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:13,519 if that's an adequate public benefit or not. Um but that um we wouldn't want to 1576 02:18:11,679 --> 02:18:18,160 have a limitation there that that an applicant wouldn't be able to propose 1577 02:18:15,040 --> 02:18:22,719 that um as a public benefit since it is uh sustainability and green building 1578 02:18:20,800 --> 02:18:28,559 elements are in the code today as public benefit options. 1579 02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:31,280 Um, and that's it on energy storage and generation. 1580 02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:37,920 » I have a quick question and then we'll go to Commissioner Thash. Uh, on the um 1581 02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:44,080 I think it was back one uh slide the intermittent. Yes. Number three. Uh who 1582 02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:49,040 decides if it's uh that it's an emergency situation? Is it just their 1583 02:18:46,479 --> 02:18:53,040 facility saying, "Oh, it's a little cloudy out today. We think that's an 1584 02:18:50,800 --> 02:19:00,639 emergency because we're sad." or do they have to wait for uh the fire department 1585 02:18:56,960 --> 02:19:06,960 or the city or OEM to declare some sort of emergency? 1586 02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:12,639 » Um that's not that's not defined in the code um as far as what an emergency 1587 02:19:08,960 --> 02:19:20,880 would be. Um the intention of this um this exception was um kind of at a 1588 02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:26,160 request from our internal um our internal utilities, public works and 1589 02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:32,319 water um because they do have sites that need power generation availability um 1590 02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:38,240 for when when power is out and goes down to be able to provide public services. 1591 02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:43,760 Um, so that was the intention of of the exception um to make sure that they 1592 02:19:40,639 --> 02:19:49,280 still were able to do um to have generators and power generation on site 1593 02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:53,439 whenever there's a power grid failure. Um, but there's not a definition of what 1594 02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:57,520 an emergency situation is. I think the intention is for when power is not 1595 02:19:55,680 --> 02:20:04,160 available through the grid um that it's an emergency situation. Would it be 1596 02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:08,640 possible to to add that little blurb of, you know, power grid failure or 1597 02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:14,160 something something like what you just said onto number three? So that way it's 1598 02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:18,960 it it doesn't somebody doesn't abuse it as, oh, we're feeling a little sad 1599 02:20:16,399 --> 02:20:24,800 today. That's quite the emergency. Let's let's ramp this let's turn this baby on. 1600 02:20:22,960 --> 02:20:28,399 President Jones Gallardo, we'll take that note as possibly amending that 1601 02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:31,520 maybe after we get through public testimony and come back on deliberation. 1602 02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:35,840 We come back. One other piece I might suggest we look to then cross compare 1603 02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:40,560 with your question or concern with is the state uh permitting tied to many of 1604 02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:44,000 those typically their generators as well because I believe and I want to double 1605 02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:47,920 check myself on this um that there's stipulations in there that if they're 1606 02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:52,399 permitted and installed as an emergency generation there's limitations versus if 1607 02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:55,359 they're installed as a more permanent energy source they're considered 1608 02:20:54,080 --> 02:20:59,840 differently there as well and perhaps we can bring those requirements together to 1609 02:20:58,319 --> 02:21:02,479 to be reflected in this code and I think to question or concern as well. 1610 02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:06,880 » All right. >> Does that sound okay? 1611 02:21:03,439 --> 02:21:09,880 » Yes. Thank you, Commissioner Thes. >> Um, 1612 02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:16,160 yeah. And I will point out that DEEQ does indeed have um permitting 1613 02:21:14,319 --> 02:21:19,760 requirements and like run times that they're allowed to use over a certain 1614 02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:23,040 amount of time. So, and I forget what exactly they are, but there are 1615 02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:27,000 limitations on diesel generators in particular. Um 1616 02:21:27,359 --> 02:21:34,080 um my question is with the two concepts that you've been I'm I'm unclear as to 1617 02:21:32,240 --> 02:21:37,760 whether or not we are meant to recommend one or the other. Is that what we're 1618 02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:41,359 intending to do this evening? >> That's correct. 1619 02:21:38,479 --> 02:21:46,640 » Okay. So whenever we take a vote, we need to make clear um which one of these 1620 02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:51,120 we'd like council to approve. >> Yes, you would. Yeah, I would uh have 1621 02:21:48,960 --> 02:21:56,800 you in your motion select one of the concepts as part of your recommendation. 1622 02:21:53,680 --> 02:22:01,439 » Okay, great. Um I had a list of what in the original sort of code that you put 1623 02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:04,319 forward before the supplemental staff report I had a list of like things that 1624 02:22:02,800 --> 02:22:09,840 I was concerned about we were missing and you got all of them except one and 1625 02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:13,520 so I'm going to ask about one. Um the so one of the things that in the 1626 02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:21,040 sustainability world people talk about a lot is agrovtaic. So it's like farm farm 1627 02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:25,840 uses of of solar either to power things on their own farm or to al export to the 1628 02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:31,359 grid. I'm a little unclear as to whether or not that falls under sort of the 1629 02:22:28,479 --> 02:22:37,359 groundmounted solar energy system part would it do you think? 1630 02:22:34,479 --> 02:22:42,479 » Um I'm not an expert on that type but I do believe those are ground mounted. 1631 02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:49,280 » Okay. And so we think that it would that um would it then be 30% of the gross 1632 02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:54,560 acreage of a farm or like how would we how would the how 1633 02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:58,560 would somebody who owns farm acreage who wanted to take advantage of ground 1634 02:22:56,399 --> 02:23:02,720 mounted solar like how would they figure out 1635 02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:06,640 how much they were allowed? >> Important point of clarification. This 1636 02:23:04,880 --> 02:23:09,280 is applying to areas that are only inside city limits in an urban 1637 02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:13,040 environment. Not to say we can't have agricultural uses doing that. So I just 1638 02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:14,560 in terms of scale of conversation here, >> okay, 1639 02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:17,520 » but I think this is really indicative of what we've talked about in terms of the 1640 02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:22,640 data centers, some other pieces. It would be if we had an agricultural use 1641 02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:27,920 in one of our areas that wanted to do the agrovoltaics it and that was 1642 02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:30,399 accessory to their farm use. It would be 30% of their site. 1643 02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:33,600 » Okay. >> Up to 30% of their site. 1644 02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:38,319 » 30%. Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure I understood how that would 1645 02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:43,760 apply to that. Thank you. Any other questions at this point for 1646 02:23:40,399 --> 02:23:50,240 staff? Commissioner Jackson, >> I know uh with the best facilities, one 1647 02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:54,160 of the concerns um community members have had is about like fires and 1648 02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:58,080 extinguishing it cuz it's a little bit different than a typical fire. Um, is 1649 02:23:56,560 --> 02:24:03,920 there anything that could be added to the code or will be added to the code in 1650 02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:09,120 regards to that and um having something in place 1651 02:24:06,319 --> 02:24:15,200 to make sure that that's doesn't become a potential future problem. 1652 02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:20,720 » Yeah. So, I think um that that's one of the aspects that will be examined in the 1653 02:24:17,920 --> 02:24:25,920 environmental impact analysis as far as safety goes. Um, all of those facilities 1654 02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:31,120 are required to meet fire and life safety standards in the building code 1655 02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:36,080 and fire code already um because they go through permitting um with the city. Um 1656 02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:41,200 but if we were going to seek to add additional standards around like 1657 02:24:38,479 --> 02:24:45,439 setbacks or um additional safety standards or things like that, um those 1658 02:24:43,600 --> 02:24:49,120 are something we would consider in phase two and we would want that to be 1659 02:24:46,960 --> 02:24:53,920 informed by not only our studies but also by industry partners. um technical 1660 02:24:51,520 --> 02:25:00,000 feedback from you know industry that's constructing these facilities um to get 1661 02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:04,560 feedback before we adopt you know code language um that provides additional 1662 02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:09,840 limitations >> on on the note of like setbacks or 1663 02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:13,040 locations because we're kind of talking about locations on here um and I don't 1664 02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:19,840 know if this is going to be part of phase one or phase two but I know one of 1665 02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:24,240 the concerns I've had is locations in like proxim somebody to schools. Um, is 1666 02:25:22,720 --> 02:25:26,880 that going to be addressed in this first part? 1667 02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:33,200 » That would be addressed in phase two. Um, anything like buffers from schools, 1668 02:25:30,319 --> 02:25:37,520 um, natural resources, residences, um, parks, I think we're also included in 1669 02:25:34,720 --> 02:25:43,040 that, um, or open spaces, um, are going to be examined in phase two. 1670 02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:46,160 » Okay. What we can potentially send along uh as part of phase one, it definitely 1671 02:25:44,640 --> 02:25:49,680 will also inform phase two as Rachel noted is as I think the planning 1672 02:25:48,319 --> 02:25:53,040 commission rate may recall the building and the fire codes are not locally 1673 02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:56,000 established and set policies. They typically come either from an 1674 02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:59,840 international codes level or state codes level. Um, we do have building staff 1675 02:25:58,240 --> 02:26:03,600 that participate on those boards and are trying to both provide information 1676 02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:08,880 inputs into that as well as receive the best thinking around uh safe 1677 02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:12,000 construction as well as fire response in the event of these emergencies. So, we 1678 02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:17,040 can bring that piece, but I just want to be clear to re reinforce what Rachel 1679 02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:21,520 said that is going to fall probably in a much bigger way with the phase 2 code 1680 02:26:18,960 --> 02:26:24,640 amendments. The other piece too is much like with the data center conversation 1681 02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:28,479 with better energy storage, we get into different scales of size. So keep in 1682 02:26:26,399 --> 02:26:32,000 mind there is battery storage happening in public buildings and hospitals and 1683 02:26:30,560 --> 02:26:36,560 schools and industrial buildings and even people's homes with things like 1684 02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:41,120 Tesla walls right now. And so what we're really thinking and looking at right now 1685 02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:45,359 is what is the scale? What is the location of these impacts especially of 1686 02:26:42,640 --> 02:26:48,960 this more utility scale um infrastructure as well. So just thought 1687 02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:51,520 I would add that into the the response as well. 1688 02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:55,680 » Thank you. >> Commissioner Davis, did you have a 1689 02:26:52,880 --> 02:27:00,960 question? I saw you reach for your No. Okay. Anybody else over here? 1690 02:26:59,439 --> 02:27:06,960 Right, Rachel? >> Okay, just uh two more slides to go. So, 1691 02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:10,560 um I gave an overview, a summary of the engagement that's happened thus far in 1692 02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:17,600 the supplemental staff report this afternoon, but just to touch on it here. 1693 02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:22,880 Um we opened a survey um on what month is it? August on August 12th. 1694 02:27:20,399 --> 02:27:29,200 Um, and we've had over 900 responses so far to the survey. Um, it's going to 1695 02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:36,160 remain open until September 6th. Um, the the um if if 1696 02:27:33,439 --> 02:27:43,520 uh you are able to make a recommendation um this evening, it will is scheduled to 1697 02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:48,880 go to city council on um September 15th. So, the survey would close in time to um 1698 02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:52,880 capture that feedback as a final report to council. 1699 02:27:50,399 --> 02:28:00,000 um at their um first reading of the ordinance. Um we've done um 1700 02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:05,200 three different inerson engagement um opportunities events at the Tuesday 1701 02:28:02,080 --> 02:28:08,640 night market um last night and the week before. Uh and then we were also at the 1702 02:28:07,120 --> 02:28:14,800 Hillsboro Saturday market this past weekend. Um we were able to talk to a 1703 02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:18,880 lot of folks at the booth um and answer questions that they had. Um, we really 1704 02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:22,960 wanted to provide an opportunity for people to be able to have conversation 1705 02:28:20,880 --> 02:28:27,600 and ask questions um because there's been opportunity for public comment um 1706 02:28:25,680 --> 02:28:31,680 so far at city council meetings, but there's not been an opportunity for 1707 02:28:29,359 --> 02:28:36,080 anyone's to ask questions and to get responses, you know, real time. Um, so 1708 02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:40,399 we wanted to have that inerson engagement opportunity and we had some 1709 02:28:38,240 --> 02:28:46,160 um really good engagement and questions um and got um also gave information 1710 02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:51,520 about the survey as well. But um had some good conversations at the markets. 1711 02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:56,000 Um and then um lastly did want to clarify because I think it was maybe 1712 02:28:53,840 --> 02:29:02,000 misreported that there will be public comment as well um uh at the city 1713 02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:06,720 council meeting on the 15th. Um so tonight will not be the last uh public 1714 02:29:04,319 --> 02:29:11,280 comment available or opportunity available. 1715 02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:14,640 Um and then again just on the schedule um it's currently scheduled for 1716 02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:21,200 tenatively f first reading at city council on September 15th and for a 1717 02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:26,479 second reading on October 6th um uh for adoption if if approved. 1718 02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:31,600 » Uh on the last slide question regarding the 1719 02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:35,840 community engagement are we able to get any sort of data from the existing 1720 02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:42,000 survey or do we need to wait until it closes? Um I was I I did pull data and I 1721 02:29:40,479 --> 02:29:45,920 gave kind of like a high level summary but we will provide like a final report 1722 02:29:44,160 --> 02:29:48,800 of that when we go to council on the 15th and I can make sure that it's 1723 02:29:47,359 --> 02:29:55,200 forwarded to you all as well. >> Please and thank you. Okay. 1724 02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:58,800 Uh any well do you have anything else before we turn to just more questions? 1725 02:29:58,479 --> 02:30:01,439 Nope. >> No questions. 1726 02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:03,439 » All right. Any other questions for staff? 1727 02:30:02,479 --> 02:30:09,040 » Yeah, I do. >> Commissioner Davis. Um, so just out of 1728 02:30:06,399 --> 02:30:15,120 curiosity, I'm sure there's specific reasons for this, you know, this being 1729 02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:18,319 phased into one and phase two. Um there's know obviously with the 1730 02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:22,000 testimony that's been given to us from the community here um and some of the 1731 02:30:20,560 --> 02:30:26,560 questions that we've raised since the work session as well. Is there a reason 1732 02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:30,880 why some of the items that are now currently in phase 2 could not be looked 1733 02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:38,240 at more for phase one if they're not directly resulting from the uh studies 1734 02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:43,600 that are currently being done? Um so um not necessarily but the reason why it 1735 02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:49,040 was broken into two different phases was to be able to show meaningful progress 1736 02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:56,160 had been made during the moratorum. Um we um if council wants to extend the 1737 02:30:52,800 --> 02:31:00,640 moratorum in November past the 120 days um we have to demonstrate that we've 1738 02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:07,680 made progress substantial progress towards a permanent solution. Um so um 1739 02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:14,800 kind of direction was to break apart the code amendment into um two pieces and to 1740 02:31:12,319 --> 02:31:20,240 start with defining the use and looking at zones and prohibited and limited 1741 02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:26,720 zones um and to start with that because those were um are our decisions that are 1742 02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:34,399 um don't that we have information on and can make decisions on. Um I think the 1743 02:31:30,800 --> 02:31:38,160 the pieces um I don't know if there are specific pieces that you would wanted to 1744 02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:45,920 call out from that phase too, but pieces like um adequate buffers and what that 1745 02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:50,880 looks like. Um we don't have meaningful data to make that an informed decision 1746 02:31:48,560 --> 02:31:55,680 at this moment. Um and that's something that we would want to um have be an 1747 02:31:53,520 --> 02:32:01,280 informed decision in the code. Um, so that's why that that piece was pushed to 1748 02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:05,439 or placed in phase two. Um, but we still we don't want to um push out everything 1749 02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:08,240 from phase one to phase two and say like let's just make a holistic decision 1750 02:32:06,880 --> 02:32:13,200 because we do want to be able to show that if if if council elects to extend 1751 02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:19,120 the moratorum, we we need to be able to show that we're making progress. 1752 02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:23,040 Um, what about something like the the portion about considering elevating 1753 02:32:20,960 --> 02:32:28,000 review process requirements for public hearing so that that can go into effect 1754 02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:33,200 sooner um so that we do have a little bit more of a say in in what's going on 1755 02:32:30,720 --> 02:32:38,640 with these approvals? >> Yeah. Um, so the um there weren't any 1756 02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:42,080 included for data centers as far as type three reviews. There was a type three 1757 02:32:40,080 --> 02:32:50,319 review included for best facilities, the conditional use. Um so um there wasn't 1758 02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:53,520 um it's not yeah it's not being included in 1759 02:32:52,080 --> 02:32:58,960 this time. It's certainly something that you can make as a recommendation to city 1760 02:32:55,920 --> 02:33:02,560 council. Um with the moratorium in place we're not accepting any new applications 1761 02:33:00,560 --> 02:33:06,560 at this time. So um it wasn't necessarily time-sensitive to make it a 1762 02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:10,960 type three decision when we're not processing any or accepting any new 1763 02:33:08,800 --> 02:33:16,560 applications right now. um which is why it was kind of pushed to phase two for 1764 02:33:14,319 --> 02:33:21,040 um data centers. >> Yeah, I think that my concern with that 1765 02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:26,880 is that the moratorium will be up soon and that there will possibly be some 1766 02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:32,560 within that time frame between when that is lifted and when we're looking at 1767 02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:40,000 phase 2 actually being enacted. >> Sure. So I would say that if um you know 1768 02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:43,840 the as you all know um a type three decision is discretionary but it's 1769 02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:47,600 beholden to approval criteria. So if we don't have approval criteria to back 1770 02:33:45,520 --> 02:33:51,520 that up and we are just saying it's a type three decision the same approval 1771 02:33:49,439 --> 02:33:57,680 criteria that apply today would apply still apply as a type three decision. 1772 02:33:54,000 --> 02:34:01,200 Um, so if we were to make it an elevated review process in order for that to be 1773 02:33:59,680 --> 02:34:06,960 meaningful, we would want to have approval criteria in place that are 1774 02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:11,040 different that are um, reasons for it to be discretionary. Um, because otherwise 1775 02:34:09,280 --> 02:34:14,160 you would you all would be making the decisions based on the same criteria 1776 02:34:12,640 --> 02:34:19,280 that staff is currently making the decisions based on. 1777 02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:25,439 » Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions for staff? 1778 02:34:22,479 --> 02:34:32,960 No, we are now going to move on to the public testimony part of the hearing. 1779 02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:37,040 Uh uh if you wish to comment on or provide testimony on this item, there 1780 02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:40,800 are blue cards at the table in the back of the auditorium. If you haven't filled 1781 02:34:38,880 --> 02:34:45,520 one out already and you'd like to provide testimony, please fill it fill 1782 02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:51,520 it out and you can bring it over to Bella and Bri over here. uh and then 1783 02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:56,160 they will uh add you to the queue. Uh as we move into testimony, if you feel you 1784 02:34:53,840 --> 02:35:00,080 have to publicly express support for a comment or viewpoint, we ask that you 1785 02:34:58,240 --> 02:35:05,040 use a quiet and non-disruptive method such as snapping your fingers. Y'all are 1786 02:35:02,319 --> 02:35:10,280 doing great at that. A thumbs up or jazz hand or any other non-disruptive method. 1787 02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:21,040 All right. Uh first we will hear from people who are here in person. Uh as I 1788 02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:24,560 read your name uh from the blue card, please come forward to the chair and 1789 02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:28,880 table. You will be given three minutes to provide your testimony. There is a 1790 02:35:26,880 --> 02:35:34,560 timer sitting there on the desk so you can track your own time. There are also 1791 02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:39,840 timers on either side of the auditorium uh that will show your time. Once your 1792 02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:43,920 three minutes are up, I will uh thank you for your testimony and we'll move on 1793 02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:47,439 to the next individual who signed up to testify. 1794 02:35:45,439 --> 02:35:53,120 All right. Uh, and I apologize if I mispronounced 1795 02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:56,120 any names. I will do my best. Um, Paige Mendescino. 1796 02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:06,680 Good morning, Paige. 1797 02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:13,800 Yeah. Hit you'll hit the little button when you're ready. 1798 02:36:14,479 --> 02:36:20,880 » Okay. Well, um, good evening, um, everyone and thank you for your time 1799 02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:26,160 this evening. Um, I, so I'm going to preface my remarks, um, uh, first by 1800 02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:33,120 saying I wrote these prior earlier today prior to I think the release and and 1801 02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:39,359 provision of, um, one of the updated um, staff reports. And so some of my remarks 1802 02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:42,560 may not be um, as relevant, but I'm going to go ahead and read them as they 1803 02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:47,680 were prepared. So just please bear that in mind. Um, I'm speaking tonight 1804 02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:53,520 regarding um the proposed phase one code amendments for data storage and energy 1805 02:36:50,479 --> 02:37:00,240 storage. Um, and I I'm asking this body to consider a a pause um for several 1806 02:36:57,520 --> 02:37:06,720 reasons. So, first, the timing of this amendment feels premature to me. Um the 1807 02:37:04,319 --> 02:37:12,560 as a resident of Hillsboro, the city uh I am aware that the city council enacted 1808 02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:17,280 uh a moratorum specifically to study the environmental and the economic impacts 1809 02:37:14,960 --> 02:37:22,800 of data centers. And according to the city schedule, those studies will not be 1810 02:37:19,680 --> 02:37:28,880 completed until at least December. Um yet phase one appears to be asking you 1811 02:37:25,359 --> 02:37:34,000 to lock in um zoning rules and acreage limits. And uh it is my feeling and 1812 02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:39,680 belief that we shouldn't be setting permanent land use allowances before we 1813 02:37:37,040 --> 02:37:44,240 have the environmental and economic data to guide those decisions. 1814 02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:48,960 Um, second, while we appreciate that staff included uh the the term 1815 02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:54,720 artificial intelligence in the definition, the code appears to lack 1816 02:37:51,600 --> 02:38:00,800 physical enforcement triggers. Without measurable standards such as contracted 1817 02:37:57,280 --> 02:38:06,000 megawws or power density per rack, it will be difficult for city planners to 1818 02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:11,280 distinguish what is a high power AI compute cluster versus standard 1819 02:38:08,479 --> 02:38:16,080 manufacturing or R&D. Third, the proposed rules for accessory 1820 02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:20,880 data centers appear to create loopholes or the potential for loopholes. Section 1821 02:38:18,800 --> 02:38:27,760 12.10.370 allows accessory data storage on up to 1822 02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:34,080 30% of a site's gross uh land acreage on a 50% on a 50 acre industrial site. For 1823 02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:38,960 example, that's a 15 acre uh footprint. Because phase one does not appear to 1824 02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:44,800 restrict floor area ratios or power draw, that accessory uh usage could 1825 02:38:42,319 --> 02:38:52,800 easily dwarf the primary industrial use at that site. Um further, and I'm 1826 02:38:48,720 --> 02:38:57,760 looking at my time here, um the uh the amendment appears to allow companies to 1827 02:38:55,200 --> 02:39:03,040 transfer accessory data storage capacity offsite. I understand some of the some 1828 02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:08,160 of that restriction was spoken to. Um but this does continue to create the 1829 02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:13,439 possibility of a backdoor to distribute uh data uh data c uh capacity in a way 1830 02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:19,600 in which the I think the code amendment was was not um uh was not anticipating. 1831 02:39:18,720 --> 02:39:24,479 » Thank you, Paige. >> Thank you. All 1832 02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:27,960 right, Jana Nelson. 1833 02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:50,800 I won't be as clear and concise as Paige because I was a little busy today. 1834 02:39:48,479 --> 02:39:56,960 Anyway, um, reading over this, my biggest concern 1835 02:39:52,960 --> 02:40:02,800 is that we've added and processing. If you attended any city council meetings 1836 02:40:00,479 --> 02:40:10,399 over the past few months, you would have heard hours and hours and hours of 1837 02:40:06,240 --> 02:40:16,560 testimony from people saying AI was a big concern. And now we're adding to 1838 02:40:13,280 --> 02:40:23,280 this data storage and processing and that's artificial intelligence. 1839 02:40:19,840 --> 02:40:30,319 And it's left a wide open room for them to bring in 1840 02:40:26,479 --> 02:40:35,760 more AI, which is what we have spoken about over and over and over again. And 1841 02:40:33,439 --> 02:40:40,240 I feel like all of that information is public record and something that the 1842 02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:45,680 staff should have been looking at. So, I'm a little disappointed that we have 1843 02:40:43,200 --> 02:40:52,920 spent hours at city council meetings expressing our concerns and staff has 1844 02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:52,920 avoided looking at that. 1845 02:40:53,520 --> 02:41:00,560 Um, so I think that processing needs to be taken off of that. And along with 1846 02:40:58,479 --> 02:41:06,720 that, I'll just echo what Paige mentioned as far as the the accessory 1847 02:41:03,680 --> 02:41:14,319 data centers that if you're going to do something like that, then there needs to 1848 02:41:08,560 --> 02:41:19,680 be a limit. Um, I can't have build a one floor building and then the next six 1849 02:41:17,040 --> 02:41:24,399 floors be my accessory. There needs to be a cap on how big these 1850 02:41:22,399 --> 02:41:31,439 get to be. And I feel like staff is misleading 1851 02:41:28,319 --> 02:41:36,080 um you as far as who uses these data centers. 1852 02:41:33,439 --> 02:41:42,560 They made it sound like this is for us for businesses here. That's not how data 1853 02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:52,000 works and we all know that. So it's not for just Intel or just for Providence. 1854 02:41:48,960 --> 02:41:58,080 Any company can come in here and use the data. That's why there's six very large 1855 02:41:55,439 --> 02:42:05,120 Trans-Pacific cables coming into Hillsboro. So, this isn't for Hillsboro. 1856 02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:11,120 There is no benefit to us. And then lastly, I will leave it at we 1857 02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:16,080 spent an hour and a half discussing a mosque 1858 02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:21,359 and what the benefit to the community was. 1859 02:42:19,040 --> 02:42:27,600 Where's the benefit of to the community for these with these data centers? It 1860 02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:32,160 does absolutely nothing for us. The only people it's benefiting 1861 02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:38,960 is Hillsboro, not the people of Hillsboro. Thank you. 1862 02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:42,520 » Thank you, Jano. >> Simone Campbell. 1863 02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:17,520 Good evening, planning commission peoples. My name is Simone Campbell and 1864 02:43:14,560 --> 02:43:22,560 I resign or I reside here in Hillsboro. The staff report from MA Rachel Marble 1865 02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:28,399 dated August 19th, 2026 as the purpose of this amendment is to define two new 1866 02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:32,960 use categories, data storage and energy energy storage and generation and to 1867 02:43:30,960 --> 02:43:38,640 address where these uses are allowed within the city. I support updating the 1868 02:43:36,399 --> 02:43:44,160 code, but phase one of this amendment creates problems it doesn't solve. 1869 02:43:41,280 --> 02:43:48,240 First, phase one explicitly excludes protections. Page two of the staff 1870 02:43:46,080 --> 02:43:52,560 report lists what phase one does not include. Update development and design 1871 02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:56,319 standards like building height setbacks. Consider sustainability or green 1872 02:43:54,319 --> 02:43:59,840 building requirements. Look at buffers or distance requirements along national 1873 02:43:58,160 --> 02:44:04,880 re natural resources, schools, and parks. Consider elevated review process 1874 02:44:02,399 --> 02:44:09,520 requiring public hearing. staff says that those will be considered in the 1875 02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:13,680 phase 2 amendment, but phase two isn't until after the governor's data center 1876 02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:18,160 advisory committee reports and enterprise zone discussions start in 1877 02:44:16,240 --> 02:44:22,479 2027. Second, the acreage caps don't limit 1878 02:44:20,479 --> 02:44:28,640 anything new. The staff report says that the industrial park cap is 215 acres. 1879 02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:33,520 Exhibit C shows 203 acres already existing, approved, and vested. That 1880 02:44:30,880 --> 02:44:41,200 leaves 11.8 acres. The industrial sanctuary cap is 310 acres. You already 1881 02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:45,760 have 297 acres. That is 96.5% of the cap filled before this amendment passes. 1882 02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:49,600 Third, you're prohibiting data storage in 10 zones where it's currently allowed 1883 02:44:47,600 --> 02:44:53,520 outright. That includes industrial general, commercial general, and all the 1884 02:44:51,359 --> 02:44:58,240 urban center zones. But you keep in industrial park and industrial sanctuary 1885 02:44:55,760 --> 02:45:03,040 where it's already at capacity. So phase one reszones the city to concentrate all 1886 02:45:00,720 --> 02:45:06,720 future data centers into two zones that are already full while pushing every 1887 02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:10,960 standard that protects schools, parks, and neighborhoods to a phase two that 1888 02:45:08,479 --> 02:45:18,880 won't happen for months or years. The approval criteria for a text amendment 1889 02:45:14,240 --> 02:45:23,600 in section 12 uh 1801 140 says the C CDCA must address an issue of or issues 1890 02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:28,640 of concern on a variety of properties and be desirable, appropriate and 1891 02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:33,760 proper. The moratorum council passed on July 27th is only 120 days. It expires 1892 02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:37,279 in late November. If you pass phase one now with no buffers and no public 1893 02:45:35,359 --> 02:45:41,200 hearings and phase two slips, you've legalized the highest impact version of 1894 02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:45,520 the these facilities with the fewest protections. Phase one should be the 1895 02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:49,600 floor for protection, not the ceiling for industry. 1896 02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:53,840 My ask before you recommend this to council, amend order 8502 to move 1897 02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:58,319 buffers from schools and parks and type three public hearing requirements into 1898 02:45:55,760 --> 02:46:02,880 phase one. Don't wait for 2027 to decide if kids at Liberty High School deserve a 1899 02:46:00,479 --> 02:46:08,160 setback from a 30 megawatt AI computing facility. We can define use today and 1900 02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:15,000 add basic protections today. One doesn't preclude the other. 1901 02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:15,000 Thank you, Simone. 1902 02:46:16,080 --> 02:46:19,080 » Durk 1903 02:46:22,080 --> 02:46:29,960 and Dirk, did I say your last name right earlier? Nudson Kudson. Okay, apologies. 1904 02:46:45,279 --> 02:46:52,720 Thank you. Um, as you know, I've submitted extensive testimony. Um, I 1905 02:46:50,880 --> 02:46:56,000 want us to remember that we're passing a code. It's not easy to do the CDC 1906 02:46:54,800 --> 02:47:01,200 amendments, right? You guys have done them before. Council's done them. This 1907 02:46:57,920 --> 02:47:06,800 could last for years. And as we're meeting and as the time's going by, 1908 02:47:03,359 --> 02:47:11,200 there are people um in the city, in the community here, our mayor included, who 1909 02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:16,080 are meeting with land owners out in the 1700 acres happening this year, talking 1910 02:47:13,760 --> 02:47:20,640 about tomorrow, talking about 2,000 acres of advanced manufacturing. Okay? 1911 02:47:18,399 --> 02:47:24,399 So, what you do tonight may never get changed other than the additions of 1912 02:47:22,479 --> 02:47:29,520 phase two. It may stand forever. So, it's really important that you get it 1913 02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:34,000 right and I thank you for your work. Um there's a few things and I'll point out 1914 02:47:30,960 --> 02:47:40,319 in the red line CDC 121 370B staff added in red that data that 1915 02:47:37,840 --> 02:47:45,200 data centers include a include AI facilities at scale under Oregon land 1916 02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:49,439 use law. The phase at scale is legally undefined without clear metrics. 1917 02:47:47,279 --> 02:47:55,279 Corporate attorneys will easily argue that a 10 or 20 megawatt GPU cluster is 1918 02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:59,120 just smallcale R&D and Hillsboro will be helpless to stop it. You think they have 1919 02:47:57,439 --> 02:48:03,680 the best land use lawyers in the world? You better bet they do. And they will 1920 02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:08,000 run over us because we didn't define at scale. And I've done a lot of land use. 1921 02:48:06,560 --> 02:48:14,319 I'm sure Dan and I could talk about this later. I think we need to limit it to 1922 02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:20,160 something like 2 megawws or 15 kilowatts or something that reflects a big use. PG 1923 02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:25,359 thinks two um two megawws puts you in a massive commercial use category. So, um, 1924 02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:31,200 you heard other people talk about the 30% cap. I mean, 30% of 50 acres with a 1925 02:48:29,359 --> 02:48:35,680 fourstory high data center like the one we have going up on Sul Road right now 1926 02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:40,560 is 2.8 million square ft of accessory data center. That would be on a 50acre 1927 02:48:38,399 --> 02:48:44,720 site. So, I see that clause is a Trojan horse. It's the same thing that they 1928 02:48:42,080 --> 02:48:48,880 tried to do on the 1700 acres and that's why that bill went down. So, don't be 1929 02:48:46,800 --> 02:48:53,439 duped. We need that to be limited to a percentage of the overall building. 1930 02:48:50,800 --> 02:48:58,399 Primary use, if it's accessory use, should never be more than 20% maybe or 1931 02:48:56,080 --> 02:49:02,720 used to 30%. So if I build a million square feet, I can have a 300,000t data 1932 02:49:01,040 --> 02:49:08,080 center. If that's not enough to help my company, I don't know what is. Got a few 1933 02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:13,279 minutes left. Um Bess, I'll leave alone. That's a big 1934 02:49:09,600 --> 02:49:17,920 issue. Um I'd just strike subsection four. this 1935 02:49:15,279 --> 02:49:22,399 transfer thing. We had 10 meetings and at no time did council ever bring it up. 1936 02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:26,479 If it came up in a work session, it must have been the only one I missed. So, I 1937 02:49:24,640 --> 02:49:31,200 would just throw that out or make it a conditional use. And as far as phase 1938 02:49:28,800 --> 02:49:35,840 two, you guys have the power and the obligation to pass some kind of a 1939 02:49:32,960 --> 02:49:39,680 sighting requirement from schools. Okay? Just say it's a quarter of a mile unless 1940 02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:42,800 you want to apply for a conditional use and come in and then have a hearing over 1941 02:49:41,359 --> 02:49:47,040 that like what you just did with the church. I'm a little bit over, but in 1942 02:49:45,120 --> 02:49:53,279 closing, 13 of the buildings approved in the 17 1943 02:49:50,160 --> 02:49:55,279 enterprise zone deals are all AI. I have factual information on that. 1944 02:49:54,640 --> 02:49:58,880 » Derek, >> so Mr. Diaz and I need to talk about 1945 02:49:56,960 --> 02:50:04,840 this, but we have a lot of AI coming to Hillsboro and they're all switching out. 1946 02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:04,840 » Thank you, Derek. 1947 02:50:10,319 --> 02:50:17,560 Jacks, >> they're not here. All right. Thank you. 1948 02:50:19,600 --> 02:50:24,840 » As were we? Uh Mike McTurnin. 1949 02:50:30,880 --> 02:50:36,200 » Yeah. Don't 1950 02:50:42,319 --> 02:50:49,359 All right, great. Uh, thank you for hearing me. Uh, I think everybody who's 1951 02:50:46,560 --> 02:50:56,000 spoken already has kind of addressed a lot of the issues with this uh, proposed 1952 02:50:52,319 --> 02:50:59,680 code. Um, I I think it's really important that we 1953 02:50:57,760 --> 02:51:03,920 get this right the first time and I think that's what everybody's speaking 1954 02:51:00,960 --> 02:51:07,279 to. Um, as I understand it, this was meant to increase the power of the city 1955 02:51:05,439 --> 02:51:10,960 to regulate the types of buildings and the amount of new construction in our 1956 02:51:08,800 --> 02:51:14,960 industrial areas, but it was also meant to address the public concerns in 1957 02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:20,399 regards to the new construction and the lack of trust in the city to looking out 1958 02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:24,319 for their best interests. As it stands, this order does not address either of 1959 02:51:22,399 --> 02:51:29,600 those issues in a thorough enough manner. Whether this is intentional or 1960 02:51:26,960 --> 02:51:34,000 not, it stands as it stands, the order has too many loopholes which can be 1961 02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:37,840 exploited in the future. And we've heard from all the people who talked so far 1962 02:51:36,319 --> 02:51:44,319 about how these loopholes could be exploited, how we're leaving these 1963 02:51:39,439 --> 02:51:48,720 openings, and why we can't leave them. The changes asked for will go a long way 1964 02:51:46,880 --> 02:51:52,240 towards create closing these loopholes and creating a regulatory framework 1965 02:51:50,240 --> 02:51:55,600 which will be useful not only now but in the future, which is what we're trying 1966 02:51:53,760 --> 02:52:01,200 to do. Failing to enact these changes would 1967 02:51:58,319 --> 02:52:08,640 confirms worse people's worst fears about the city and how they organize 1968 02:52:04,160 --> 02:52:16,399 their policy against the people. In terms of the accessory use, 1969 02:52:12,080 --> 02:52:22,120 we see that the city staff is leaving these giant 1970 02:52:19,120 --> 02:52:22,120 openings. 1971 02:52:22,720 --> 02:52:28,800 If you're going to regulate this and you're going to say that there's caps on 1972 02:52:26,080 --> 02:52:34,640 data centers, then why aren't we capping the amount of space in the accessory use 1973 02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:39,520 and why are we allowing these companies to transfer these things offsite? I 1974 02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:44,880 agree that it's disingenuous of the city staff to 1975 02:52:42,640 --> 02:52:49,920 say that this is all being used for health care and that this is going to 1976 02:52:46,880 --> 02:52:53,520 affect how jobs are created here. I think what they're leaving open is 1977 02:52:52,000 --> 02:52:59,279 opportunities for people to come in just like with the 1978 02:52:55,680 --> 02:53:04,880 1700 acres and exploit our code to do whatever they want. 1979 02:53:02,160 --> 02:53:10,960 Okay. The point of the moratorum, the point of all these code amendments is to 1980 02:53:07,600 --> 02:53:16,000 get this right the first time. To rush through the land use and then ignore all 1981 02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:22,760 the environmental concerns is folly. 1982 02:53:19,439 --> 02:53:22,760 it also. 1983 02:53:24,399 --> 02:53:32,800 So, in closing, 1984 02:53:29,600 --> 02:53:38,319 I think you should either ask for more detail from the staff on how these rules 1985 02:53:35,120 --> 02:53:41,760 are going to be regulated. And listening to you guys talk, I think 1986 02:53:39,920 --> 02:53:46,479 getting clear clearer definitions is more important, but also consider this 1987 02:53:44,479 --> 02:53:49,760 environmental. Thank Thank you, Mike. 1988 02:53:50,720 --> 02:53:54,120 MNA Munoz. 1989 02:54:04,880 --> 02:54:12,240 Hey, good evening everybody. Um, let me start with a thank you. I felt so good 1990 02:54:10,479 --> 02:54:17,760 sitting in my seat hearing your questions and I felt like the people 1991 02:54:15,680 --> 02:54:22,479 have somebody asking the questions that we have and it's been a long time since 1992 02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:26,880 I felt that way coming in front of a board. So, thank you so much for asking 1993 02:54:24,880 --> 02:54:31,920 the questions that I know you heard from people because that's why I'm here. So, 1994 02:54:29,120 --> 02:54:37,120 I'm Ma Munos and I'm running for Senate here in district 15. And the reason why 1995 02:54:34,640 --> 02:54:42,160 I'm here is because I find myself being kind of the like the Lorax. I used to be 1996 02:54:39,760 --> 02:54:47,040 a teacher, but now I'm like the Lorax. I get to speak for the people. And so when 1997 02:54:45,120 --> 02:54:52,160 people hear things are going on, they ask me to speak up. And that's why I'm 1998 02:54:50,160 --> 02:54:58,479 here, right? Because I'm not in the seat yet, but already I have some information 1999 02:54:55,680 --> 02:55:03,600 that I think is really important. I do think that you've seen the paper and 2000 02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:08,720 heard about why I won. is because everybody hates data centers. And what 2001 02:55:06,399 --> 02:55:15,279 I'm hearing is that the people of Washington County don't want one more. 2002 02:55:11,840 --> 02:55:20,880 We have 33. We've approved 23 in this sneaky way while we all yelled and 2003 02:55:17,520 --> 02:55:25,920 screamed for it not to happen. In the meantime, 2004 02:55:22,399 --> 02:55:31,680 in Salem, they were going to have one. And everybody got together and that 2005 02:55:28,479 --> 02:55:37,840 council is banning data centers. They won't have one. And I have to tell you, 2006 02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:43,680 it makes us look really bad, right? Because we're going to have 50 in this 2007 02:55:40,479 --> 02:55:48,720 community. And we're afraid. We're scared of what this is doing. 2008 02:55:45,760 --> 02:55:56,160 We're doing environmental impact studies now. We have 30 of these. What happened? 2009 02:55:53,520 --> 02:56:00,560 So, I heard that the reason why we're not moving everything in this first 2010 02:55:58,000 --> 02:56:05,040 phase from that list of requirements is because we need to make substantial 2011 02:56:02,560 --> 02:56:11,279 progress. And I have to tell you, we're at risk. We need to prioritize making 2012 02:56:08,399 --> 02:56:17,359 substantial progress toward building trust with the community that voted this 2013 02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:23,840 government in. And that's going to take us giving the community time to come and 2014 02:56:20,560 --> 02:56:26,640 protest a better review process and by keeping these things away from the 2015 02:56:25,279 --> 02:56:31,760 schools. I can't tell you how many emails I get every day of people that 2016 02:56:29,920 --> 02:56:36,080 are concerned that these things are coming around their neighborhood, their 2017 02:56:34,080 --> 02:56:42,160 schools. And what we heard from Marorrow County is that there was research there 2018 02:56:39,439 --> 02:56:46,399 about cancer and miscarriages specifically. 2019 02:56:43,920 --> 02:56:52,479 and Amazon said, "Eh, we'll settle. Here's the money." So, it it's not a 2020 02:56:49,600 --> 02:56:57,680 good look for us to keep siding on the side of corporations when voters ought 2021 02:56:55,439 --> 02:57:03,200 to be making the decisions here. That's who put this government in place. So, I 2022 02:57:01,200 --> 02:57:09,600 urge you today to add in the very minimum a better review process and 2023 02:57:07,200 --> 02:57:14,840 safety from a school. Our people are really asking us for it. 2024 02:57:11,359 --> 02:57:14,840 » Thank you so much. 2025 02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:20,680 Brown wildfire. 2026 02:57:26,640 --> 02:57:31,000 » All right. I hope so. 2027 02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:36,720 » All right. It's ironic that we're here discussing how to use land that doesn't 2028 02:57:34,960 --> 02:57:40,319 belong to you. And shout out to all the working people who have shown up to 2029 02:57:38,479 --> 02:57:45,359 remind everyone that we don't want data center reform. We want them gone. My 2030 02:57:43,359 --> 02:57:49,040 family was just talking about how PGE sent a notice that they are talking 2031 02:57:47,120 --> 02:57:54,160 about increasing electricity rates by 13% because the the power grid is 2032 02:57:51,439 --> 02:57:59,600 already being maxed out. Gary, Indiana, the uh they're already seeing power 2033 02:57:57,040 --> 02:58:04,080 outages where workingclass people are facing these power outages while these 2034 02:58:01,359 --> 02:58:07,680 data centers face none. Y'all are talking about all these businesses using 2035 02:58:05,520 --> 02:58:11,120 data centers for the local economy, but stay quiet about all the working-class 2036 02:58:09,439 --> 02:58:15,200 people using public transportation that just got cut. The idea that AI can be 2037 02:58:13,520 --> 02:58:18,960 applied to genetics and medicine, by the way, comes from Larry Ellison, the top 2038 02:58:17,120 --> 02:58:23,760 donor to the IDF and co-founder of Oracle, whose first client was the CIA, 2039 02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:29,279 but that was scrapped because of how unique people's eugenics are. Dandas, 2040 02:58:26,800 --> 02:58:33,359 the fact y'all need to do more community engagement shows us how disconnected you 2041 02:58:31,439 --> 02:58:38,399 are from the community and our struggles because as Jana mentioned, we have been 2042 02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:43,120 expressing there are hours of footage of us expressing that we don't want them. 2043 02:58:40,560 --> 02:58:47,520 No means no. Did y'all not learn that? It isn't consider It isn't surprising 2044 02:58:45,439 --> 02:58:50,640 considering we had to wait 3 hours to speak for 3 minutes. It's also 2045 02:58:49,279 --> 02:58:54,720 interesting to see that we working people get three minutes, three minutes 2046 02:58:52,319 --> 02:58:58,640 to speak and an applicant got an hour to speak because what does that say about 2047 02:58:56,240 --> 02:59:02,319 your priorities? And it's not surprising considering the government has pushed 2048 02:59:00,640 --> 02:59:07,439 damaging things into our communities before such as lead, asbestos, fracking, 2049 02:59:05,520 --> 02:59:11,840 tobacco, cloned meat, and more. And they're only doing this environmental 2050 02:59:09,520 --> 02:59:15,439 study after the backlash. They didn't do this proactively. And this is from a 2051 02:59:13,840 --> 02:59:19,439 book I read when I was in fifth grade. It's called Among the Hidden. in it. Uh, 2052 02:59:17,600 --> 02:59:24,960 third children are illegal to have. And this is from the perspective of Luke, 2053 02:59:21,520 --> 02:59:28,319 the an illegal third child. Uh, his dad just got a letter from the 2054 02:59:26,800 --> 02:59:31,840 mail. The department, sorry, in the mail. Department of Human Habitation 2055 02:59:29,920 --> 02:59:37,279 Environmental Standards Division. Can't be anything but bad news, Dad said. No 2056 02:59:34,080 --> 02:59:41,200 use ruining a good meal. It has come to our attention, he read loudly. Well, so 2057 02:59:39,600 --> 02:59:44,720 far I understand it. Then he read silently for a while, calling out at 2058 02:59:42,960 --> 02:59:48,479 intervals. Where's that dictionary? Matthew, look up reciprocity. They're 2059 02:59:47,200 --> 02:59:53,520 going to take they're going to make us get rid of our hogs. What? But those are 2060 02:59:50,560 --> 02:59:58,399 our bread and butter. Doesn't matter because the fancy people building their 2061 02:59:55,439 --> 03:00:04,160 houses here don't want them. The bill arrived two weeks later and the 2062 03:00:00,640 --> 03:00:08,000 day that dad came back, uh, he talked about the Willicker farm. Willicker says 2063 03:00:06,240 --> 03:00:12,240 they raised everyone's taxes because of them fancy new houses. Makes our land 2064 03:00:10,399 --> 03:00:15,439 worth more. It's only good if we're selling and we ain't. All it means for 2065 03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:19,920 us is that the government thinks they can take money. They can get more money 2066 03:00:17,279 --> 03:00:22,800 out of us. And then later on when he's talking to another adult, he says, "The 2067 03:00:21,439 --> 03:00:25,520 government justifies keeping everyone else in poverty because people seem to 2068 03:00:24,399 --> 03:00:28,560 work the hardest when they're right on the edge of survival. The government 2069 03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:31,920 does try to make sure that the pe that the most people survive. The ones who 2070 03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:35,200 cooperate do survive. If you've heard your parents talking about other 2071 03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:39,960 farmers, you'll know that nobody loses their farming. 2072 03:00:36,720 --> 03:00:39,960 » Thank you. 2073 03:00:43,359 --> 03:00:46,359 Debbie. 2074 03:00:52,240 --> 03:00:58,800 » All right, guys. You have a lot of work cut out in front of you, and we're here 2075 03:00:56,319 --> 03:01:04,560 to support you, but we want you to know you have 2076 03:01:00,640 --> 03:01:13,120 Hillsboro City in your hands. I've been here 45 years and I want to be here as 2077 03:01:08,160 --> 03:01:17,359 long as I can. But I have a son that just decided to buy a house in my 2078 03:01:15,840 --> 03:01:22,319 subdivision and I didn't tell him that I was 2079 03:01:19,600 --> 03:01:29,160 concerned about Hillsboro and what they're doing with the data centers. 2080 03:01:25,120 --> 03:01:29,160 Each one of you 2081 03:01:29,439 --> 03:01:38,640 need to come together and make the right decision for the people. Not for the 2082 03:01:35,120 --> 03:01:45,760 city, for the people. We have been here for a long time and we deserve 2083 03:01:42,720 --> 03:01:53,840 everything you can give us. We trust you. We elected you 2084 03:01:50,479 --> 03:02:01,279 and we want you to help us. None of us want data centers. None of 2085 03:01:57,439 --> 03:02:09,640 us. But we're stuck with them. AI is here. So, you have to make good use of 2086 03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:09,640 what we're allowing. 2087 03:02:10,800 --> 03:02:18,560 If we're going to have data centers because they support the businesses, 2088 03:02:16,240 --> 03:02:24,319 they should only support the businesses in our community. 2089 03:02:20,640 --> 03:02:32,080 We don't need data centers that are doing stuff for other 2090 03:02:27,520 --> 03:02:35,080 other states or, you know, whatever. Um, 2091 03:02:35,200 --> 03:02:43,120 I don't think it's realistic to think that there's not going to be another 2092 03:02:39,920 --> 03:02:49,120 data center here in Hillsboro, but that's what I want. 2093 03:02:45,920 --> 03:02:56,399 I want a moratorum forever. I know that's not realistic, 2094 03:02:52,240 --> 03:03:01,359 but you need to come together and keep our city. 2095 03:02:59,040 --> 03:03:07,840 If we have all the data centers that they want to put in, there will be data 2096 03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:13,600 centers and no people. There will be no schools or churches. 2097 03:03:10,720 --> 03:03:22,000 The people will leave. We won't have land to grow food. 2098 03:03:17,840 --> 03:03:31,439 And I appreciate you guys. I appreciate all the dilemas you've got. And I wish 2099 03:03:26,640 --> 03:03:35,840 you the best. I wish us the best. I figure I've got another 15 years to live 2100 03:03:33,760 --> 03:03:40,560 here in Hillsboro. And I just hope that my kid makes it 2101 03:03:38,479 --> 03:03:46,800 through. He goes, "Mom, you're going to a data center meeting?" 2102 03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:52,800 He doesn't realize. and I'm right on the edge. I'm on the 2103 03:03:49,439 --> 03:03:57,680 corner of Evergreen and Gleno, so the data centers are right there. 2104 03:03:56,800 --> 03:04:01,080 Thank you. >> Thank you, Debbie. 2105 03:04:02,560 --> 03:04:06,359 » Denise Care. 2106 03:04:23,040 --> 03:04:33,080 We could limit verbal disruptions from the audience that that would be uh 2107 03:04:27,359 --> 03:04:33,080 preferred. Thank you, Denise. Go ahead. 2108 03:04:33,279 --> 03:04:42,880 » Uh good evening, commissioners. My name is Denise Care and I've lived in 2109 03:04:39,279 --> 03:04:48,399 Hillsboro for 40 years. Um there's a couple interesting things I've observed. 2110 03:04:45,200 --> 03:04:54,560 Um most of these people testifying are people who are many times twice your 2111 03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:59,359 age, have lived here twice as long, and probably have a little more wisdom. 2112 03:04:57,600 --> 03:05:06,640 Um so let's see. I I have a couple things. 2113 03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:11,439 First of all, the phase one, the poll I found was 2114 03:05:08,960 --> 03:05:16,240 frankly poorly riitten. There were no clear definitions. 2115 03:05:13,920 --> 03:05:21,200 The terms weren't defined. If I didn't uh speak English as a 2116 03:05:18,960 --> 03:05:26,080 primary language, I would absolutely have no clue. And I do speak English as 2117 03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:29,760 a primary language, and I don't even have half a clue. 2118 03:05:28,240 --> 03:05:35,040 Um, it's ambiguous. 2119 03:05:31,600 --> 03:05:41,920 There's a a feeling of getting the cart in front of the horse. 2120 03:05:38,240 --> 03:05:46,800 Um and um it really needs to be written in a at a 2121 03:05:44,160 --> 03:05:53,200 level where an eighth grade person can understand what's going on. 2122 03:05:49,840 --> 03:05:58,880 Um another point I have is uh isn't there currently a lawsuit 2123 03:05:55,680 --> 03:06:03,840 against Hillsboro against data centers? What happens if that lawsuit What 2124 03:06:00,640 --> 03:06:11,120 happens if the city of Hillsboro fails and those 17 applications, the rush to 2125 03:06:06,960 --> 03:06:16,000 the enterprise zone, uh are illegal? What What are you going to do then? I 2126 03:06:13,600 --> 03:06:22,720 mean, I'm curious. I really am curious. Um 2127 03:06:18,880 --> 03:06:30,359 so, uh it's it's not just what you say, it's what you don't say. 2128 03:06:25,840 --> 03:06:30,359 Um I just 2129 03:06:30,880 --> 03:06:38,000 nobody wants data centers. Data centers want us. 2130 03:06:35,279 --> 03:06:43,359 Uh data centers want our land and our natural resources. They want to exploit 2131 03:06:40,399 --> 03:06:47,840 the uh property prices and the the lack of a sales tax and everything else. And 2132 03:06:45,920 --> 03:06:54,319 it's it's not to benefit people in Oregon or Hillsboro. is to benefit out 2133 03:06:51,279 --> 03:06:59,200 of stators and and in this way I feel like this 2134 03:06:57,040 --> 03:07:04,000 whole process is a little bit deceptive and manipulative 2135 03:07:01,359 --> 03:07:09,600 Dan um and it's been like that for a long 2136 03:07:06,960 --> 03:07:14,880 time hasn't it over five years 2137 03:07:12,319 --> 03:07:19,520 um so I don't work for Intel I know that 2138 03:07:18,000 --> 03:07:24,560 Intel has a great number of employees employees in this in Hillsboro. And when 2139 03:07:21,760 --> 03:07:28,080 you put this poll out, don't you think the results are going to be just a 2140 03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:32,560 little bit biased because people want to satisfy their employer? Maybe their 2141 03:07:30,399 --> 03:07:37,960 employer has even said, "I want you to do this." 2142 03:07:34,560 --> 03:07:37,960 Thank you, Denise 2143 03:07:38,319 --> 03:07:41,319 » Sarah. 2144 03:07:50,640 --> 03:07:57,520 Um, hello. I just want to point out that in the packet that was sent out I think 2145 03:07:55,279 --> 03:08:03,760 to you guys it did say that of the survey only 12 to 13% of people were in 2146 03:08:01,279 --> 03:08:08,399 favor of no restrictions to data uh centers. So um the people have maybe 2147 03:08:06,319 --> 03:08:14,160 spoken um obviously the people have spoken to add my voice I am anti- any 2148 03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:19,279 data center and I would like us to figure out ways to disassemble the ones 2149 03:08:15,840 --> 03:08:24,080 that we already have. Um I'm not an expert in all of this. I agree like that 2150 03:08:21,200 --> 03:08:31,279 a lot of this is kind of worded in a way that is not accessible to um the general 2151 03:08:26,960 --> 03:08:40,000 population. Um what I do know is that the decisions that you make about how 2152 03:08:34,880 --> 03:08:45,359 our land is used impacts all of us. Um and it impacts our children and their 2153 03:08:42,080 --> 03:08:52,560 future. And that is um what I want you guys to hold as you're making the 2154 03:08:47,680 --> 03:08:57,520 decisions. Um the um uh people have said they don't want data 2155 03:08:55,439 --> 03:09:03,359 centers. You're looking at these amendments. what I without any really 2156 03:09:01,359 --> 03:09:09,040 knowledge of what all of this exactly means or the 2157 03:09:05,600 --> 03:09:15,920 specifics of of computing power and all of that would like you to think of is 2158 03:09:12,399 --> 03:09:22,960 when you're deciding how to write things that determine what is and isn't allowed 2159 03:09:20,720 --> 03:09:27,840 with this specifically. you were thinking about how you're writing that 2160 03:09:25,680 --> 03:09:34,080 to create the broadest restrictions possible so 2161 03:09:30,800 --> 03:09:37,920 that it is the hardest possible to actually have data centers in our town 2162 03:09:36,720 --> 03:09:41,040 because that is what people are clearly saying. So if you say we can't outright 2163 03:09:39,359 --> 03:09:46,000 ban them, let's make it as hard as possible. Let's put all the onus on the 2164 03:09:43,600 --> 03:09:50,240 people and that that the corporations that want to build these and make it as 2165 03:09:47,439 --> 03:09:57,520 difficult as possible because that will be the best harm reduction for our town 2166 03:09:54,800 --> 03:10:03,359 if you can't actually say no we're not going to allow this anymore which to be 2167 03:10:00,319 --> 03:10:09,120 fair um everything is made up the laws were made up the um the whatever the 2168 03:10:06,640 --> 03:10:13,439 zone that allowed these applications to go in that was created we can create new 2169 03:10:11,920 --> 03:10:18,000 things, right? We can decide that we want things to be different. Um, that's 2170 03:10:15,680 --> 03:10:21,279 a choice that you make. Um, I also want to say if we're doing environmental 2171 03:10:19,680 --> 03:10:24,880 impacts um, uh, studies, it needs to be 2172 03:10:23,279 --> 03:10:30,399 cumulative. If we're looking at standalone at like each individual 2173 03:10:27,279 --> 03:10:34,960 building zone, whatever, as what that impact will be just alone, we're not 2174 03:10:33,439 --> 03:10:38,319 getting the full picture, right? Because it's cumulative. They're pulling from 2175 03:10:36,880 --> 03:10:41,520 the same water sources. They're pulling from the same energy sources. So if 2176 03:10:39,760 --> 03:10:45,600 we're looking at what the actual impact on our community is, we need to look at 2177 03:10:43,359 --> 03:10:49,200 that cumulatively altogether, what's already here and what they want to add 2178 03:10:47,680 --> 03:10:57,359 because that will give you the clear picture of how it's going to impact us 2179 03:10:52,240 --> 03:11:00,720 long term. Um, and I think that is it. Thank you. 2180 03:10:58,319 --> 03:11:04,200 » Thank you, Sarah. Aaron Nichols. 2181 03:11:15,600 --> 03:11:21,920 » Good evening. Um, thank you very much for your time. Thanks for being here. I 2182 03:11:19,200 --> 03:11:26,240 know it's late. Um, I appreciate you're here to to better the communities. Um, I 2183 03:11:25,120 --> 03:11:30,319 read through the proposed code amendments. Uh, and like many others 2184 03:11:28,560 --> 03:11:33,439 here, I feel they're just simply inadequate to the moment. Um, I'm not 2185 03:11:32,240 --> 03:11:36,800 going to go through all the reasons. I think that other people have stated them 2186 03:11:34,800 --> 03:11:41,439 as well or better than I would, but I do want to add a few things. Um, one is 2187 03:11:39,840 --> 03:11:46,080 that Hillsborough is relatively wealthy and a relatively well-run city. Um, and 2188 03:11:44,560 --> 03:11:49,760 a lot of other cities will be looking to Hillsboro for this. Um, the city of 2189 03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:53,520 North Plains, even the city of Forest Grove, they don't have the staff. they 2190 03:11:51,120 --> 03:11:58,160 don't have the ability to make this level of code um when they're fighting 2191 03:11:56,160 --> 03:12:02,800 against the wealth of of these corporations. Hillsboro may. And so I 2192 03:12:00,960 --> 03:12:07,920 think we we really do need to get this right. Um and I I you know I think it's 2193 03:12:06,720 --> 03:12:10,720 incumbent on you all as planning commissioners, us as advocates to get it 2194 03:12:09,520 --> 03:12:15,520 to get it right or at least in the ballpark. um the proposal that as it 2195 03:12:13,920 --> 03:12:21,439 stands now I think leaves too much open to to interpretation by by land use 2196 03:12:17,840 --> 03:12:24,319 layers too much um to do later we're in the moratorum because there's a clear 2197 03:12:22,880 --> 03:12:28,080 threat to public health and a clear threat to the economic well-being of the 2198 03:12:25,840 --> 03:12:32,240 city and I think to our farmland um these amendments um and I think many of 2199 03:12:30,720 --> 03:12:37,120 us will acknowledge that they they don't solve these threats they don't solve the 2200 03:12:33,840 --> 03:12:40,000 problem um and so we you know we're not setting we're not setting limits on what 2201 03:12:38,640 --> 03:12:44,640 can be next to schools we're not limiting air pollution for instance 2202 03:12:42,080 --> 03:12:49,200 Um, and I think most concerning to me or at least most relevant to me, um, I came 2203 03:12:47,200 --> 03:12:53,279 here 5 years ago or so when the URA was being expanded and said that, you know, 2204 03:12:50,880 --> 03:12:58,399 if Hills uses up its land wastefully, the thousand acres it has from its, uh, 2205 03:12:55,279 --> 03:13:01,680 from the, uh, from the grand bargain, there's not more farmland coming. And 2206 03:12:59,920 --> 03:13:07,520 that's still true. I'd say more true now than it was. Um, 2207 03:13:04,640 --> 03:13:13,120 I think I guess in conclusion, um, I believe that, uh, that given the risks 2208 03:13:10,960 --> 03:13:16,080 and the the kind of the general weakness of these proposed code amendments, this 2209 03:13:14,880 --> 03:13:19,680 proposal should probably be returned to staff and they should come back with a 2210 03:13:17,359 --> 03:13:25,520 very maximalist set of codes that could adequately protect us, not billionaires. 2211 03:13:22,000 --> 03:13:29,279 Um, and over time, if that if we find that to be too too strong, we could make 2212 03:13:27,520 --> 03:13:32,239 it more flexible. But I think the large corporations, they can handle a little 2213 03:13:30,560 --> 03:13:36,479 friction for a few years. That's fine. if if they need if if that's what 2214 03:13:33,920 --> 03:13:40,319 protects us, that's acceptable. Um I think the conditions that could lead to 2215 03:13:38,640 --> 03:13:44,880 the end of a moratorum are adequate protection for the community and for the 2216 03:13:42,160 --> 03:13:48,080 city um not adequate protections to be able to build more data centers. Thank 2217 03:13:46,800 --> 03:13:53,000 you. >> Thank you. Aaron 2218 03:13:50,000 --> 03:13:53,000 Sandra, 2219 03:13:53,760 --> 03:14:01,760 » can I have can I >> uh Commissioner Thes can I ask how far 2220 03:13:58,880 --> 03:14:05,279 we are through our stack? We have two more. Sandra and then Gilberto. 2221 03:14:04,640 --> 03:14:08,319 » Okay, great. >> So, yeah. 2222 03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:13,520 » May I request a break after everybody's >> Yes. I'm already there. All right, 2223 03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:19,520 Sandra, whenever you're ready. >> Perfect. Um, my name is Sandra. Uh, I 2224 03:14:17,680 --> 03:14:22,960 obviously don't want data centers at all. Um, but I do want to start off by 2225 03:14:21,279 --> 03:14:28,080 reminding everyone that this is not our land. Uh, this is not your land to give 2226 03:14:25,120 --> 03:14:33,920 away to corporations. Um, and I want you guys to remember that. Um, 2227 03:14:31,600 --> 03:14:39,359 is also, I mean, not land for you guys to kill or profit off of. And I want you 2228 03:14:37,200 --> 03:14:43,760 guys to really think about a question. Um, when all of our perfect farmland has 2229 03:14:42,399 --> 03:14:47,520 been used, where are you guys going to eat? What are you guys going to feed 2230 03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:51,680 your children? And I want you guys to think about that. when you guys are 2231 03:14:49,600 --> 03:14:57,600 giving away this land basically for free and then also taking away money from 2232 03:14:55,279 --> 03:15:01,920 vulnerable children. I mean, Title One schools are suffering, right? Um, and 2233 03:14:59,840 --> 03:15:06,640 you guys are still taking money from them. Um, and I just think that's so 2234 03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:11,319 messed up. Our children deserve a lot more. They really do. Um, 2235 03:15:11,439 --> 03:15:17,359 again, what's going to happen when every single resource has been taken? Um, I 2236 03:15:15,920 --> 03:15:20,239 mean, what's going to happen when every single drop of water has been poisoned 2237 03:15:18,960 --> 03:15:23,600 and when our air is no longer breathable? These corporations are not 2238 03:15:22,399 --> 03:15:26,479 going to care about you. I mean, they're not going to invite you guys to their 2239 03:15:24,800 --> 03:15:31,040 little safe haven bunker that they've built 50 years from now, right? They 2240 03:15:28,880 --> 03:15:35,279 don't care about you guys. They don't care about us. And that's also something 2241 03:15:32,960 --> 03:15:40,319 that I need you guys to remember um when you guys are making these decisions for 2242 03:15:37,920 --> 03:15:47,359 us. Um, I don't want another data center on any 2243 03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:51,279 single inch of land ever again. We have more than enough and we've destroyed our 2244 03:15:49,600 --> 03:15:55,040 economy and we've destroyed our land more than enough. 2245 03:15:53,760 --> 03:15:58,520 » Thank you. >> Thank you, Sandra. 2246 03:15:59,279 --> 03:16:02,680 Uh, Gberto 2247 03:16:13,040 --> 03:16:15,920 » this one right here. >> Yeah. 2248 03:16:14,720 --> 03:16:17,200 » Yep. You're you're good to start talking. 2249 03:16:16,319 --> 03:16:20,399 » Great. >> Uh, never given public testimony before, 2250 03:16:19,120 --> 03:16:23,920 so >> you're doing great. 2251 03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:29,439 I would just like to preface this by saying that pretty much everything that 2252 03:16:27,359 --> 03:16:34,560 everyone has said before me is I'm just going to like tack that onto the front 2253 03:16:31,600 --> 03:16:38,479 of what I'm saying. Uh and then I wasn't going to testify until I realized that 2254 03:16:36,560 --> 03:16:44,640 nobody was really talking about processing power. Um, 2255 03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:48,399 you know, our phones can do a lot and yes, most of that is going back and 2256 03:16:46,160 --> 03:16:52,560 forth between things like a data center, but we also have a lot of technology 2257 03:16:50,239 --> 03:16:58,080 that can process power a lot more efficiently uh and a lot more 2258 03:16:56,479 --> 03:17:08,800 effectively. And we now have uh features in some of 2259 03:17:02,880 --> 03:17:14,640 these uh AI tools to manufacture images, videos, all that stuff. And it takes way 2260 03:17:12,880 --> 03:17:20,000 more processing power than it should. Like none of this is optimized. And it's 2261 03:17:17,439 --> 03:17:25,040 very obvious that more data centers is like there there's 2262 03:17:22,640 --> 03:17:29,600 no there's no number that we're going to reach where the developers don't want to 2263 03:17:27,359 --> 03:17:36,560 build data centers anymore. They want to store absolutely everything about us and 2264 03:17:34,319 --> 03:17:42,640 and also give us, you know, the tools to make uh AI generated slop um to uh 2265 03:17:41,520 --> 03:17:48,000 whether it's, you know, maybe you're just making a funny video uh 2266 03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:52,720 and polluting water while you do it, or maybe you're making a video about a 2267 03:17:51,040 --> 03:17:58,800 former president that is like super racist about him and his wife. I don't 2268 03:17:54,319 --> 03:18:01,920 know. So, I Are there some things that are pretty 2269 03:18:00,399 --> 03:18:09,279 cool? Like, yeah, maybe I don't have to copy paste a few things for my work load 2270 03:18:06,160 --> 03:18:14,960 or whatever. Um, but most people aren't using that way. Aren't using it that 2271 03:18:11,279 --> 03:18:21,760 way. Like, nobody I I I have yet to see a like a responsible AI use type of code 2272 03:18:20,080 --> 03:18:26,560 and things like that. Like, we have no regulations on the use of AI. And so as 2273 03:18:23,920 --> 03:18:30,160 long as anybody can use it and use up all the processing power of all these 2274 03:18:28,239 --> 03:18:36,239 computers, we're basically just giving people the keys to 2275 03:18:33,520 --> 03:18:42,160 light our Can I say bad words? Light our stuff on fire. Light our things on fire. 2276 03:18:38,880 --> 03:18:47,600 Um so maybe step one is don't make any more of 2277 03:18:45,439 --> 03:18:53,120 them because I, you know, some of those images are still pretty good. um with 2278 03:18:50,399 --> 03:19:00,319 the 33 data centers that we have um I don't see an increase in quality 2279 03:18:54,720 --> 03:19:03,760 happening uh with one more 20 more and 2280 03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:06,319 yeah that's that's that's what I have. Thank you. 2281 03:19:04,640 --> 03:19:09,319 » Thank you. You did great for your first time. 2282 03:19:10,160 --> 03:19:16,560 » All right, that is all the in-person testimony. Bri, I do believe we have one 2283 03:19:14,880 --> 03:19:20,399 person pre-registered online. >> We do have one person pre-registered. 2284 03:19:18,399 --> 03:19:24,040 I'm going to unmute Adam and then you have three minutes to speak. 2285 03:19:31,760 --> 03:19:37,200 Well, thank you. Is can everyone hear me? 2286 03:19:35,760 --> 03:19:42,880 » We can hear you, Adam. >> Great. Good evening. Long evening, 2287 03:19:40,080 --> 03:19:47,200 right? Um, thank you for the time to give this 2288 03:19:44,319 --> 03:19:53,600 verbal highle feedback on the proposed amendment for limiting energy storage in 2289 03:19:49,840 --> 03:19:58,640 Hillsbor. I am the first person who uh who wants to talk about uh battery 2290 03:19:55,920 --> 03:20:02,000 storage instead of uh data centers. My name is Adam Capage and I'm the director 2291 03:20:00,319 --> 03:20:07,920 of outreach and communications at Renewable Northwest. We're a nonprofit 2292 03:20:05,200 --> 03:20:12,000 renewable energy advocacy organization and our members are a combination of 2293 03:20:09,600 --> 03:20:16,080 renewable energy businesses including battery energy storage developers as 2294 03:20:14,640 --> 03:20:21,520 well as environmental and consumer groups. We've got a broad coalition 2295 03:20:18,720 --> 03:20:25,680 almost 100 members. Um we've been following the staff's process thus far, 2296 03:20:23,359 --> 03:20:30,399 but I had not seen the two specific concepts outlined tonight about battery 2297 03:20:28,160 --> 03:20:34,720 storage specifically. So it's hard to speak in detail to such specific 2298 03:20:32,479 --> 03:20:39,760 proposals except to say that I really appreciate the sentiment behind concept 2299 03:20:36,880 --> 03:20:45,840 two which acknowledges the value placed on battery systems by the local utility. 2300 03:20:42,640 --> 03:20:53,040 These are important utility facilities. They allow they support the grid 2301 03:20:49,760 --> 03:20:59,040 uh reduce outages and allow renewable energy uh 2302 03:20:56,479 --> 03:21:06,080 intermittent renewable energy to go onto our grid reducing pollution. That's what 2303 03:21:02,720 --> 03:21:10,319 battery storage is all about. I would like to flag an area of question for the 2304 03:21:08,160 --> 03:21:14,399 commission's consideration um which is the proposal to address energy storage 2305 03:21:12,080 --> 03:21:18,800 and generation at the same time in this permitting process. Um there are two 2306 03:21:16,800 --> 03:21:24,800 issues with this proposal which differ from the original plan I I believe which 2307 03:21:22,319 --> 03:21:30,080 was to focus only on energy storage. That's what I that's what I thought the 2308 03:21:27,840 --> 03:21:34,800 county commissioners or I'm sorry the the Hillsboro city council had voted on 2309 03:21:32,319 --> 03:21:38,319 was to just do energy storage. And that's because first as a practical 2310 03:21:36,560 --> 03:21:43,120 matter energy storage and generation projects like solar are have different 2311 03:21:40,399 --> 03:21:46,880 qualities and and services for the electric grid. They're a different set 2312 03:21:44,720 --> 03:21:51,520 of sighting considerations. So it's more cons it's more complicated to consider 2313 03:21:48,880 --> 03:21:56,640 both at once. And second, energy storage but not generation is considered a 2314 03:21:54,160 --> 03:22:01,600 utility facility. This is a specific legal term for purposes of sighting, 2315 03:21:59,439 --> 03:22:08,319 which means it's not considered a conditional use. It it it and and and 2316 03:22:04,640 --> 03:22:13,840 storage is defined as a utility facility um under under case law, which was just 2317 03:22:11,680 --> 03:22:17,920 confirmed today by the land use board of appeals. And we haven't had time to 2318 03:22:16,160 --> 03:22:21,920 fully digest this decision. and it was literally released today. But we'll 2319 03:22:19,840 --> 03:22:27,760 follow up with more information about how this impacts the sighting of 2320 03:22:24,800 --> 03:22:33,760 storage. So for both these reasons, just that storage and solar are different and 2321 03:22:30,880 --> 03:22:37,200 that storage is a utility facility, we'd advise not putting energy storage and 2322 03:22:35,840 --> 03:22:42,120 generation in the same permitting categories. 2323 03:22:38,640 --> 03:22:42,120 » Thank you, Adam. 2324 03:22:42,479 --> 03:22:51,520 All right. Uh, that was all the online pre-registered testimony. Uh, let's take 2325 03:22:48,399 --> 03:22:58,760 a, uh, short 10-minute break. It is 9:32. Let's reconvene at 9:42. 2326 03:22:55,520 --> 03:22:58,760 Thank you. 2327 03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:08,800 » Good evening, everyone. Come on over. Have a seat. We're ready 2328 03:23:06,399 --> 03:23:13,600 to continue. Thank you so much to President Jones Gallardo who ste um 2329 03:23:11,439 --> 03:23:17,680 stepped away for this evening. I'm Commissioner Saka and I will be 2330 03:23:14,960 --> 03:23:25,439 presiding over the rest of this meeting. I'm going to ask for some clarity here. 2331 03:23:22,880 --> 03:23:30,960 We've completed our testimony. Does staff have any comments on the testimony 2332 03:23:28,960 --> 03:23:33,600 or any additional staff information to provide at this time? 2333 03:23:32,239 --> 03:23:40,319 » No, not at this time. >> Okay. Thank you. 2334 03:23:36,239 --> 03:23:45,560 Do I have a motion from the commission to close or continue this hearing? 2335 03:23:47,680 --> 03:23:54,080 » I move we close the public hearing. >> Commissioner Davis second. 2336 03:23:51,600 --> 03:23:58,399 » Right. I have a motion from Commissioner Thall Nash and a second from 2337 03:23:55,920 --> 03:24:04,960 Commissioner Davis to close this hearing. All those in favor say I. I. 2338 03:24:02,800 --> 03:24:10,239 » All those opposed? Any abstensions? 2339 03:24:07,279 --> 03:24:13,840 Motion carries. All right. I'm going to look out for 2340 03:24:11,920 --> 03:24:19,120 staff for some clarity. But at this time, I believe the planning commission 2341 03:24:16,239 --> 03:24:25,520 is going to open up some deliberations, provide some thoughts and comments or 2342 03:24:21,600 --> 03:24:30,000 any questions at this time. Am I clear? >> That is correct. uh Vice President Saka 2343 03:24:27,920 --> 03:24:33,600 and what staff is happy to answer any questions as part of that deliberation 2344 03:24:31,359 --> 03:24:36,479 that the commission may have. And the other request we would make is that if 2345 03:24:35,040 --> 03:24:42,000 the commission is going to direct staff to make any additional changes to the 2346 03:24:40,239 --> 03:24:45,760 proposed code amendments or if you would like us to bring additional information 2347 03:24:43,680 --> 03:24:48,800 back that you try to be as clear as possible and have as much consensus 2348 03:24:47,279 --> 03:24:52,479 across the commission as possible. We will take notes and at the end of 2349 03:24:50,080 --> 03:24:55,120 deliberation try to respond back with what we think we heard 2350 03:24:53,920 --> 03:24:58,720 to make sure there's alignment and we can get to a final motion. this evening. 2351 03:24:57,840 --> 03:25:03,040 » Thank you so much. >> Thank you. 2352 03:25:00,080 --> 03:25:07,319 » All right, commissioners, anyone ready to start the deliberation process? 2353 03:25:07,600 --> 03:25:16,399 » Go ahead, Commissioner Davis. >> Commissioner Davis. Uh, so I had some 2354 03:25:14,239 --> 03:25:20,960 some critical questions for the city staff uh this evening. Um, and and I 2355 03:25:19,760 --> 03:25:26,399 understand that there's a lot of pressure from the city staff right now 2356 03:25:24,000 --> 03:25:32,000 to try to get something on the books to show considerable 2357 03:25:29,520 --> 03:25:39,359 um progress has been made due to the moratorum. Um it it's something that I I 2358 03:25:36,560 --> 03:25:45,760 feel like that we can still show that there's been considerable progress made 2359 03:25:41,760 --> 03:25:49,760 even if we don't say yes to phase one today. um because you can show that 2360 03:25:48,319 --> 03:25:53,920 we've had all of these meetings, we've had public testimony, uh all these 2361 03:25:52,160 --> 03:25:57,040 public hearings, you're taking surveys, you're getting feedback, and so there's 2362 03:25:55,439 --> 03:26:00,880 still definitely a lot of back and forth dialogue going on right now. I don't 2363 03:25:59,439 --> 03:26:05,600 feel like we're at a place right now where phase one is ready. I feel like 2364 03:26:03,040 --> 03:26:10,800 there's more that it can be added to phase one and that I I would hope that 2365 03:26:09,279 --> 03:26:17,359 the city council would also agree with that. um such as things like buffer 2366 03:26:14,000 --> 03:26:25,200 zones that that we could potentially add to schools and parks and things of that 2367 03:26:19,520 --> 03:26:30,960 sort. Um and then also with um the accessory definitions and limits on 2368 03:26:28,080 --> 03:26:37,439 those, I feel like 30% based off of the the plot of land is too 2369 03:26:33,920 --> 03:26:41,760 much. I feel like we need to limit that more. Whether that's a lower percentage 2370 03:26:39,840 --> 03:26:47,359 or whether that's basing it off of the actual development 2371 03:26:43,920 --> 03:26:52,239 size instead of the the the the land size. 2372 03:26:49,120 --> 03:26:55,479 So, that's where I'd like to start off with anyway. 2373 03:26:56,080 --> 03:27:02,560 » Okay, >> Commissioner Jackson. Um I second what 2374 03:26:59,760 --> 03:27:06,880 Commissioner Davis said. Um, I'm most concerned with that like third 2375 03:27:05,760 --> 03:27:11,359 I mean there's a lot of things I'm concerned about but like the 30% gross 2376 03:27:08,880 --> 03:27:16,960 coverage or acreage hearing that that could be up to like 2377 03:27:12,880 --> 03:27:22,160 1,200 to,300 acres that's that's a lot. And so I understand 2378 03:27:19,520 --> 03:27:25,200 like the um direction you were given from city 2379 03:27:23,680 --> 03:27:30,080 council was not to prohibit but to you know find 2380 03:27:27,920 --> 03:27:33,520 some restrictions and I just feel like that's just 2381 03:27:32,080 --> 03:27:39,200 it doesn't feel like it's restricting that much when we're giving access to 2382 03:27:35,520 --> 03:27:44,880 that much space. So I would like to see um again I'm not an expert. I don't know 2383 03:27:42,479 --> 03:27:53,359 what the fix is to that, but there's got to be a way to cap that amount of space 2384 03:27:47,200 --> 03:27:57,520 a little more. Um, and then um I know you like the push back a 2385 03:27:56,239 --> 03:28:02,239 little bit. Maybe it wasn't pushback's not the right word, but like on the my 2386 03:27:59,040 --> 03:28:08,239 AI question. Um, like I my concerns with the AI is that I've seen in my own job 2387 03:28:05,600 --> 03:28:12,399 like pushes for that to take over tasks that would be like my task in my job 2388 03:28:10,160 --> 03:28:18,560 classification. I'm seeing that in other fields too where there's these pushes to 2389 03:28:14,239 --> 03:28:22,720 replace people and those jobs with AI. So that's why I kind of wanted some 2390 03:28:20,319 --> 03:28:26,560 definitions for different types because I think it's important to really think 2391 03:28:24,960 --> 03:28:32,080 about what kind of tech we're bringing in and 2392 03:28:29,920 --> 03:28:40,000 be thoughtful, mindful because the last thing we should be doing is taking jobs 2393 03:28:33,680 --> 03:28:46,399 from our um community members. And um I know that the um 2394 03:28:43,920 --> 03:28:52,640 the school perimeters, some of those barriers are in phase two. Um 2395 03:28:51,120 --> 03:28:57,520 but I'm going to just say as a parent whose kids school is one of the places 2396 03:28:55,439 --> 03:29:02,800 where data centers going in really close, um I it's not just about like 2397 03:29:01,120 --> 03:29:08,080 yes, it's about the environmental stuff, but it's also about the sound, the 2398 03:29:04,800 --> 03:29:13,200 droning. I think that's extremely distractive and disruptive and I would 2399 03:29:11,439 --> 03:29:17,520 love to see that brought in more to phase one if we could do at least 2400 03:29:15,680 --> 03:29:23,920 something to some effect with some of these areas particularly schools. Um, I 2401 03:29:22,000 --> 03:29:31,520 think there should be some kind of decent barrier there to protect um, our 2402 03:29:27,200 --> 03:29:38,479 students and um, I know I understood the the type three recommendation like why 2403 03:29:35,520 --> 03:29:43,040 you wanted to hold off on that. I don't since we're already having to do a phase 2404 03:29:40,319 --> 03:29:46,880 two and it would be my hope that city council 2405 03:29:45,040 --> 03:29:52,640 would not let the moratorum lapse before finishing 2406 03:29:49,600 --> 03:29:57,920 phase two um and getting making some significant progress. I don't know that 2407 03:29:54,399 --> 03:30:01,920 it would hurt to add that um phase that type three part in at this stage because 2408 03:30:00,080 --> 03:30:08,399 I think that's a really important factor too is to have that type three um uh 2409 03:30:04,880 --> 03:30:13,040 land use application there. So um and I also like there was a comment about um 2410 03:30:11,520 --> 03:30:17,200 this is going to be more for phase two with the environmental impact studies 2411 03:30:15,120 --> 03:30:22,479 just for future to think about. I did like I did um here and it makes sense to 2412 03:30:20,319 --> 03:30:25,840 me to make sure we're looking at the cumulative 2413 03:30:23,760 --> 03:30:31,920 um impacts and not just individual spaces. So um and it's late so I'm 2414 03:30:30,319 --> 03:30:37,560 probably forgetting some things but that was like the that's my recommendations 2415 03:30:34,239 --> 03:30:37,560 going forward. 2416 03:30:37,840 --> 03:30:42,560 » Thank you Commissioner Jackson. Go ahead Commissioner Thash. 2417 03:30:40,800 --> 03:30:47,120 » Um this is Commissioner Thrash. I have a question for staff. Have you been um 2418 03:30:44,960 --> 03:30:51,680 given direction by the city attorney or outside council about what actually 2419 03:30:49,200 --> 03:30:56,800 constitutes significant progress when it comes to extending the moratorum? 2420 03:30:54,800 --> 03:31:00,960 Do we is it sounds like a squishy standard. I don't know if there's how 2421 03:30:58,800 --> 03:31:06,000 much discretion is involved in that. >> Um it is a discretionary standard and 2422 03:31:03,520 --> 03:31:09,840 it's just something that we we have to show. Um so we would just need to 2423 03:31:08,160 --> 03:31:14,960 adequately demonstrate that we're meeting that that standard. um and it's 2424 03:31:13,760 --> 03:31:18,720 not defined. >> Okay. And so city council would be the 2425 03:31:16,640 --> 03:31:22,399 ones that decide like they feel like there's been adequate pro progress made 2426 03:31:20,880 --> 03:31:28,239 so they feel like they could make a vote to continue a moratorum. 2427 03:31:25,359 --> 03:31:33,520 » Yeah. So if it if city council wished to extend the moratorum um they would need 2428 03:31:30,880 --> 03:31:38,720 to make findings that they're meeting the criteria one of which is that 2429 03:31:36,399 --> 03:31:44,479 they're make we've made progress towards a permanent solution. Um so they would 2430 03:31:41,840 --> 03:31:50,399 yeah make findings demonstrating that as a part of the uh resolution to extend um 2431 03:31:48,960 --> 03:31:54,160 and there would be a second public hearing as well as a part of that 2432 03:31:52,319 --> 03:31:59,040 extension process. >> Okay. The reason I'm asking is I like I 2433 03:31:57,200 --> 03:32:05,520 absolutely hear everybody's desire to have more stuff put in this phase. Um, I 2434 03:32:03,600 --> 03:32:10,800 also don't want to put the whole process at risk by 2435 03:32:08,560 --> 03:32:13,600 trying to get city like delaying the process to get city staff to put things 2436 03:32:12,239 --> 03:32:18,760 in that they're already planning on putting in, I guess, is what I want to 2437 03:32:14,880 --> 03:32:18,760 say. Um, 2438 03:32:24,720 --> 03:32:32,160 I don't think rushed processes create good 2439 03:32:30,239 --> 03:32:39,520 law. I don't think that saying I want 2440 03:32:35,840 --> 03:32:45,040 something quickly necessarily produces a great product. 2441 03:32:41,520 --> 03:32:48,640 Um, and I'm concerned that city staff is already 2442 03:32:47,120 --> 03:32:52,239 overloaded, working at a pace faster than we know 2443 03:32:50,479 --> 03:32:56,239 that they generally do when it comes to these code amendments. 2444 03:32:54,319 --> 03:33:02,880 Um, and I think if we want good policy, 2445 03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:10,960 we should allow them the time and we should allow them their phases. Um, 2446 03:33:08,080 --> 03:33:15,120 I believe that city staff will bring us back all the things that they have told 2447 03:33:12,720 --> 03:33:21,920 us that they will with 2448 03:33:17,279 --> 03:33:26,479 actual data from folks that do this work so that we can so that instead of saying 2449 03:33:24,000 --> 03:33:32,479 I want a setback that we have some idea of what a reasonable setback or a good 2450 03:33:28,800 --> 03:33:37,520 or effective setback would be. Um, we don't know if there's a distinction 2451 03:33:34,160 --> 03:33:43,359 between a 50-foot setback and a 100 foot setback when it comes to EMFs or or 2452 03:33:41,279 --> 03:33:48,080 noise or anything else. Like I have zero basis and I think staff currently has 2453 03:33:46,239 --> 03:33:53,520 like zero basis for making a determination of what would be a good or 2454 03:33:50,319 --> 03:33:57,040 reasonable or effective setback or what would be good or reasonable or effective 2455 03:33:55,359 --> 03:34:04,000 criteria to put in a type three consideration 2456 03:34:00,319 --> 03:34:08,560 for these things. And I want this if we're like we heard from every everybody 2457 03:34:06,000 --> 03:34:16,560 that they want us to do this right and I agree with them. And I think saying 2458 03:34:14,239 --> 03:34:20,880 not only do we want you to do this re phase one really quickly like at I don't 2459 03:34:18,880 --> 03:34:26,319 know three or four times the pace that city staff generally does these kinds of 2460 03:34:22,640 --> 03:34:33,040 code amendments, we want you to also make decisions and bring them forward 2461 03:34:28,640 --> 03:34:37,680 for us to make decisions with just no no basis 2462 03:34:35,439 --> 03:34:43,359 um for that decision- making. And I absolutely understand the the desire to 2463 03:34:40,560 --> 03:34:47,359 be responsive to what we hear, right? We hear I mean we all have all heard very 2464 03:34:45,359 --> 03:34:50,560 consistently particularly the concerns about schools 2465 03:34:49,040 --> 03:34:56,319 and particularly the concerns about making these things public making these 2466 03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:58,880 things based on a public hearing. Um I think staff has an intention of 2467 03:34:57,680 --> 03:35:05,359 responding to that and I want to give them the time to do that. Um so that's 2468 03:35:03,120 --> 03:35:09,239 what I would say about it. Thank you, Commissioner Thash. 2469 03:35:13,279 --> 03:35:22,000 » Let me just start out by thanking the person that testified tonight as to my 2470 03:35:18,080 --> 03:35:26,479 age and other people's age because that was a wonderful thought uh that I'm 2471 03:35:24,800 --> 03:35:32,720 that I'm that young. So, I will take that as a compliment. Um, but setting 2472 03:35:29,439 --> 03:35:38,080 that aside, um, I agree with what the last commissioner 2473 03:35:35,920 --> 03:35:44,479 said. I think, um, we need to slow down. 2474 03:35:42,560 --> 03:35:51,120 Uh, and quite frankly, um, my opinion is if 2475 03:35:49,520 --> 03:35:54,640 that doesn't cut it for the council, then they can appoint a new planning 2476 03:35:53,200 --> 03:36:00,520 commissioner as far as I'm concerned. But I think we need to slow down. Um, 2477 03:36:01,040 --> 03:36:04,359 I don't 2478 03:36:04,800 --> 03:36:13,200 I think we need to move forward with tightening up a variety of things that 2479 03:36:10,640 --> 03:36:23,200 we heard tonight in terms of or expanding on the definitions or the 30% 2480 03:36:18,239 --> 03:36:29,920 that Commissioner Davis talked to. Um, I think uh 2481 03:36:27,279 --> 03:36:32,920 perhaps the staff can focus on one or two, 2482 03:36:33,200 --> 03:36:44,399 not all but one or two items that are performance related. Uh, 2483 03:36:41,040 --> 03:36:48,200 uh, my personal preference would be to focus in on noise. 2484 03:36:48,640 --> 03:36:57,840 um uh and see what other communities are doing, what standards have they set x 2485 03:36:55,680 --> 03:37:03,279 number of feet from a school or any other non-industrial use, if you will, 2486 03:37:01,040 --> 03:37:08,560 and see if we can't deliberate on that a little bit more in earnest on the ninth. 2487 03:37:05,840 --> 03:37:13,520 Um I I hear what the staff says about the 2488 03:37:10,880 --> 03:37:21,520 public hearing and the type two versus the type three. Um, 2489 03:37:18,080 --> 03:37:26,560 I I I I guess I'm kind of torn, you know, because 2490 03:37:24,080 --> 03:37:30,000 one, our land use process is supposed to be clear and objective, so people can 2491 03:37:28,319 --> 03:37:34,720 come in and file an application and know what you're doing. But we have a moving 2492 03:37:32,399 --> 03:37:40,040 target here, unfortunately, at least from my perspective. Um, 2493 03:37:41,359 --> 03:37:47,279 I'm not going to sit here and say that everybody that I've heard on all these 2494 03:37:45,200 --> 03:37:54,040 hearings represents the totality of the community, but they did take the time to 2495 03:37:49,520 --> 03:37:54,040 show up. Um, 2496 03:37:55,279 --> 03:38:04,319 I think we just have to move towards a type three. Uh quite frankly, and in 2497 03:38:00,720 --> 03:38:10,720 terms of um stat data center applicants, there's just simply going to have to be 2498 03:38:06,800 --> 03:38:14,279 more forthcoming about who they are, what they're doing. 2499 03:38:15,680 --> 03:38:21,920 convince the community that what they're doing that the noise is not an issue 2500 03:38:19,760 --> 03:38:28,880 that they're not using water or they are using water that they they have clear uh 2501 03:38:26,319 --> 03:38:35,120 criteria in their relationship between what they're using for energy and what 2502 03:38:30,720 --> 03:38:40,120 PGE and others want. Just be open and honest. I think we we've got too much 2503 03:38:41,279 --> 03:38:52,399 opinion out there as to what is wrong or what is right. And I think 2504 03:38:49,520 --> 03:38:57,520 these applicants have a responsibility to overcome this issue. I don't think 2505 03:38:54,640 --> 03:39:02,560 it's a big ask to come in and be very clear. 2506 03:38:59,520 --> 03:39:06,720 I'm ABC company. We're working for so and so. That's our current people. this 2507 03:39:04,800 --> 03:39:10,239 is the this is how much energy we're using. This is how much noise we're 2508 03:39:08,560 --> 03:39:15,680 using. This is how much water we're using. 2509 03:39:11,920 --> 03:39:19,040 And just be upfront in a public hearing. And I think if they're honest, I think 2510 03:39:17,200 --> 03:39:24,000 it's easy to defend yourself about what you're doing. Now, it may be we'll come 2511 03:39:21,279 --> 03:39:30,399 back and have more iterative conditions on a public on a type three, but right 2512 03:39:27,680 --> 03:39:36,720 now we can't win this public perception game under the process that we got. 2513 03:39:34,080 --> 03:39:40,880 We can't do type twos. It just won't work. We're not going to convince 2514 03:39:38,160 --> 03:39:47,840 anybody. And even if we have a type two with 15 additional standards, it's still 2515 03:39:44,960 --> 03:39:53,279 not going to satisfy everybody because they didn't get to hear 2516 03:39:50,640 --> 03:39:57,520 that standard met in a public forum. Now, I know that may gripe a lot of 2517 03:39:55,040 --> 03:40:02,640 people, but I just I think at this point, 2518 03:39:59,279 --> 03:40:07,439 we have more hysteria, more misinformation, 2519 03:40:04,880 --> 03:40:15,520 more whatifs, people talking about they know because I 2520 03:40:10,960 --> 03:40:20,880 think at a public forum than you know there that are angels on a on a pin. We 2521 03:40:18,399 --> 03:40:26,399 gota we got to get this we got to get people off this treadmill including the 2522 03:40:24,160 --> 03:40:30,800 staff and and the council. We just need to give people a whole lot of 2523 03:40:27,600 --> 03:40:34,960 information. I don't think personally that if we do things that way in a type 2524 03:40:32,720 --> 03:40:40,239 three that that's going to slow anybody up all that much 2525 03:40:37,200 --> 03:40:45,760 quite frankly. I think just being upfront with everybody about why we have 2526 03:40:42,880 --> 03:40:50,399 data centers. What are they used for? Let's get rid of 2527 03:40:47,600 --> 03:40:55,279 the mystery. And the best way to do that is in the public forum and sunlight. 2528 03:40:53,200 --> 03:41:01,120 That's the best disinfectant as far as I know. 2529 03:40:56,880 --> 03:41:04,479 I I'm sorry I went on too long here. The It's still not going to satisfy 2530 03:41:02,800 --> 03:41:08,960 everybody because there are a lot of people that 2531 03:41:06,080 --> 03:41:13,200 don't want data centers. The problem that I see with that is that's a 2532 03:41:10,640 --> 03:41:18,960 non-starter. We have elected people in this community that have said 2533 03:41:16,479 --> 03:41:23,680 we're not going to abolish data centers. We're going to try to rein them in and 2534 03:41:20,960 --> 03:41:29,680 try to be a little bit more upfront about when we do approve them. So, let's 2535 03:41:27,120 --> 03:41:34,640 get on with it. Let's have a little bit more performance criteria that we can. I 2536 03:41:32,080 --> 03:41:40,960 think noise certainly is one. Maybe setback. I don't really know. Um, 2537 03:41:39,200 --> 03:41:45,680 I have yet to hear any information that that water use is an issue as a 2538 03:41:43,920 --> 03:41:51,200 performance criteria because it's what I've heard in the public forum and no 2539 03:41:48,000 --> 03:41:55,760 one's disputed it yet that water is an issue. Now, maybe it is, but I haven't 2540 03:41:53,840 --> 03:42:00,319 heard it from the staff. I've heard it from some people that water is an issue, 2541 03:41:58,239 --> 03:42:05,040 but as far as I've been able to discern from all the public comment that water 2542 03:42:02,399 --> 03:42:09,359 is not an issue. So, we we need to clarify that. Should it be a performance 2543 03:42:07,600 --> 03:42:13,840 standard or not? Well, Mr. Gorilla, we don't need worry about water because the 2544 03:42:12,000 --> 03:42:17,439 people that come in don't use water for cooling. 2545 03:42:15,359 --> 03:42:22,880 I don't know. Let's just get some clarity on that. And as much as we can 2546 03:42:19,920 --> 03:42:29,680 put forward back to ourselves and come back on September 9th, we can have more 2547 03:42:26,080 --> 03:42:33,800 discussion about what we're hearing from the staff 2548 03:42:33,920 --> 03:42:39,920 and where we think we're going. Are we 2549 03:42:37,920 --> 03:42:44,720 headed in the right pace? And we may decide on the ninth it's still not the 2550 03:42:42,479 --> 03:42:49,439 right pace. We need to slow down even more. I don't know. I want to give the 2551 03:42:47,040 --> 03:42:53,920 staff an opportunity to bring back more 2552 03:42:51,920 --> 03:42:59,680 stuff to us, a little bit more clarity. I agree with Commissioner that the 30% 2553 03:42:57,359 --> 03:43:04,319 issue is a little fuzzy wuzzy. Let's nail it down so that the majority of the 2554 03:43:02,319 --> 03:43:08,080 people in the planning commission are comfortable with what we're talking 2555 03:43:06,080 --> 03:43:13,120 about. My own experience on accessories is 2556 03:43:10,720 --> 03:43:19,840 accessories have always been a percentage of the square footage of the 2557 03:43:16,960 --> 03:43:25,920 primary use. I'm not saying that that's where we need to be, but I'm just saying 2558 03:43:22,479 --> 03:43:32,239 my own experience is accessory uses have always been a percentage 2559 03:43:28,399 --> 03:43:37,760 of primary use. Maybe we need to make that a little bit different, but I think 2560 03:43:33,840 --> 03:43:42,560 it needs to be tightened up. So, I I want to give the staff a chance. I think 2561 03:43:41,120 --> 03:43:45,600 we're going to have to bite the bullet on some stuff. I think we're going to 2562 03:43:44,080 --> 03:43:50,960 have some tough conversation on the ninth based on what comes back from the 2563 03:43:47,520 --> 03:43:54,640 staff. Um, with all due respect to the public, I 2564 03:43:52,800 --> 03:43:59,439 don't need another three hours of somebody tell me 2565 03:43:56,640 --> 03:44:03,840 that they don't want data centers. My problem with that is I can't do 2566 03:44:01,279 --> 03:44:08,560 anything with that as a deliberative issue because the council has set the 2567 03:44:06,080 --> 03:44:13,279 form about what it is that they're willing to go forward with. So for me, 2568 03:44:11,199 --> 03:44:19,239 it's about economizing my time. Let's go forward. 2569 03:44:21,920 --> 03:44:30,880 » Thank you, Commissioner Gillow. It's a long night, but I feel like I I I 2570 03:44:27,840 --> 03:44:36,319 got to acknowledge uh the community that came out tonight 2571 03:44:33,199 --> 03:44:41,680 and the fact that you all are able to read this community development code. I 2572 03:44:39,359 --> 03:44:46,160 mean, it is written in this legal ease, right, where it's really hard for us to 2573 03:44:43,760 --> 03:44:50,399 understand. And I have to commend the work that staff has done in providing 2574 03:44:48,239 --> 03:44:56,000 these definitions. We got color-coded maps, y'all. Staff was zooming in for 2575 03:44:53,120 --> 03:44:59,439 us. Okay. And breaking everything down so that we would be able to have the 2576 03:44:57,760 --> 03:45:05,600 kind of conversations that we've had tonight. 2577 03:45:01,520 --> 03:45:11,040 It is the respect that we have for staff where I can agree with my fellow 2578 03:45:07,520 --> 03:45:17,120 commissioners that perhaps we do need a little bit more time. Every time we have 2579 03:45:14,880 --> 03:45:22,000 this conversation, we're hearing from the community. staff is taking that 2580 03:45:19,680 --> 03:45:28,960 information in, doing their research, and refining and refining the code. I'm 2581 03:45:26,160 --> 03:45:32,080 optimistic that with additional time from everything that we've heard 2582 03:45:30,319 --> 03:45:36,800 tonight, from everything that continues to come in in writing that staff will 2583 03:45:34,399 --> 03:45:41,760 continue to use that and continue this iterative process of creating a 2584 03:45:39,600 --> 03:45:46,160 development code that is more in alignment to what we as a community 2585 03:45:43,920 --> 03:45:50,000 desire. When I'm hearing from my fellow 2586 03:45:48,399 --> 03:45:54,479 commissioners, I understand how staff wanted to be 2587 03:45:52,319 --> 03:45:59,760 really effective in breaking down the code in phase one and in phase two. And 2588 03:45:57,920 --> 03:46:03,760 what we've consistently heard from community is that there's certain 2589 03:46:01,199 --> 03:46:08,160 aspects of phase two that they want to hear from now. And I'm hearing from the 2590 03:46:06,479 --> 03:46:13,279 community, I'm hearing from my fellow commissioners that we want to talk more 2591 03:46:10,640 --> 03:46:19,040 about those buffer zones. That is something important on this dis and from 2592 03:46:15,920 --> 03:46:23,840 our community. I'm grateful for Commissioner Gillo 2593 03:46:21,199 --> 03:46:28,880 providing context that usually in community development code we talk about 2594 03:46:26,560 --> 03:46:34,479 things in percentages and it's usually 10% this 30% this and we've heard from 2595 03:46:32,319 --> 03:46:39,279 community that is there a way for us to do something different. What I'm 2596 03:46:36,880 --> 03:46:45,760 advocating for is that we give staff time to be iterative in this process. 2597 03:46:43,520 --> 03:46:51,600 Can we go a little bit further? If it not just 30%, perhaps we could put a 2598 03:46:48,479 --> 03:46:57,319 number or a cap on the acreage that is allowable in those accessory use areas. 2599 03:46:57,520 --> 03:47:04,560 I want to we're using some language and I want to make sure that I define it. So 2600 03:47:02,319 --> 03:47:09,439 what we as a city have done so far with data centers, they've been type two and 2601 03:47:06,640 --> 03:47:15,120 they haven't been open to this public forum. Type three applications is what 2602 03:47:12,880 --> 03:47:21,279 our fellow commissioners are advocating for so that these companies can come 2603 03:47:17,840 --> 03:47:27,040 before us. We can come not just when it's an emergency like this, but start 2604 03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:31,840 developing our own awareness about what these companies are doing. we're able to 2605 03:47:29,680 --> 03:47:38,080 ask them these questions and they're able to be as honest as possible and 2606 03:47:34,640 --> 03:47:43,040 that will support us again in being really really iterative in an 2607 03:47:39,840 --> 03:47:47,680 everchanging industry. And so as I'm hearing my commissioners talk about that 2608 03:47:44,720 --> 03:47:54,080 and t I'm want staff to hear this. We that's another opportunity is there 2609 03:47:51,439 --> 03:47:57,920 for data centers could we make it that those are just going to be type three 2610 03:47:56,160 --> 03:48:05,359 applications and I know it's going to take some time to kind of go through and 2611 03:48:01,680 --> 03:48:11,439 look at the law of that a benefit of having these data centers present in a 2612 03:48:08,720 --> 03:48:17,520 public forum is we need to be able to educate ourselves on the reality of data 2613 03:48:14,479 --> 03:48:21,439 and data processing. And it that is going to happen over 2614 03:48:19,680 --> 03:48:25,680 time. We're not the ones who are going to 2615 03:48:22,800 --> 03:48:31,239 define AI for our community. Um those companies will have an opportunity to do 2616 03:48:27,680 --> 03:48:31,239 it for us. 2617 03:48:32,640 --> 03:48:42,160 With that, I am also very much in agreement that we 2618 03:48:39,600 --> 03:48:48,479 as the commission can clearly define what we want to hear back from staff and 2619 03:48:46,080 --> 03:48:54,840 perhaps have deeper deliberation and more specific deliberation on September 2620 03:48:51,840 --> 03:48:54,840 9th. 2621 03:48:58,479 --> 03:49:07,600 Can I ask a clarifying question, staff? If we were to work with you guys to try 2622 03:49:05,359 --> 03:49:12,479 to propose some sort of a buffer zone and we set an actual distance on that, 2623 03:49:10,160 --> 03:49:18,160 is that something that after these impact studies are done that could be 2624 03:49:14,720 --> 03:49:21,399 amended again to reflect what those should indicate? 2625 03:49:22,319 --> 03:49:29,199 » Commissioner Davis, thanks for the question. Um yeah, so we can absolutely 2626 03:49:27,040 --> 03:49:34,319 take uh requests and feedback on buffering from the schools now and and 2627 03:49:31,439 --> 03:49:36,880 try to run through some examples or scenarios and come back with some 2628 03:49:35,520 --> 03:49:40,399 recommendations. You know, we could take a look. These are somewhat arbitrary 2629 03:49:38,880 --> 03:49:44,960 numbers, but somewhere to help we buffer other uses and conflicts. Look at a 500 2630 03:49:42,880 --> 03:49:49,520 foot buffer, a 1000 foot buffer. Somebody mentioned a quarter mile. We 2631 03:49:47,120 --> 03:49:54,239 could try to run those too um and put those off of all the known school 2632 03:49:51,359 --> 03:49:58,239 facilities um in the area. um that could potentially make its way 2633 03:49:56,399 --> 03:50:01,120 into a phase one. I would want to, you know, we can respond to that here at the 2634 03:49:59,840 --> 03:50:04,479 end of tonight's deliberation if there's consensus amongst the commission. I 2635 03:50:02,800 --> 03:50:09,040 think I heard that as a somewhat common thread. Uh and I think that's something 2636 03:50:06,560 --> 03:50:12,720 our staff could do and turn around with reasonable thoughtfulness and and 2637 03:50:10,560 --> 03:50:16,319 hopefully informative information back to you on a continued meeting to the 2638 03:50:14,399 --> 03:50:23,040 9th. Um and then to the second part of your question, yes, any policy that the 2639 03:50:18,640 --> 03:50:27,600 commission adopts can be amended um with initiation by the commission or the city 2640 03:50:25,840 --> 03:50:31,520 council uh in a in a future and subsequent effort. Um and so as we've 2641 03:50:29,840 --> 03:50:35,520 shared, I'll just respond back to I think a comment commissioner thr Nash 2642 03:50:33,279 --> 03:50:39,760 made in a few of the comments uh we heard from the public this evening. It's 2643 03:50:37,760 --> 03:50:44,720 not as though we don't have any data as it relates to the phase 2 work. We know 2644 03:50:42,880 --> 03:50:49,920 very factually and we've not seen any counterfactuals to this that data 2645 03:50:47,520 --> 03:50:54,800 centers are not using hardly any water in the city of Hillsbor. It's about 1.4% 2646 03:50:52,399 --> 03:50:59,439 of Hillsborough's total water usage and it's predominantly limited to toilet 2647 03:50:57,120 --> 03:51:04,640 flushes, sink usage and a little bit of initial charge of closed loop systems. 2648 03:51:01,840 --> 03:51:10,479 Um irrigation of landscaping is also there. Um, we are going to do the phase 2649 03:51:07,439 --> 03:51:14,640 2 studies to make sure the facts and the data that we have and the trends upon 2650 03:51:12,239 --> 03:51:19,040 which the industry is going can come back in and stay as fresh as possible 2651 03:51:16,319 --> 03:51:22,160 with the phase 2 code work. But whether it be noise, whether it be water usages 2652 03:51:20,800 --> 03:51:27,439 or other things, we absolutely can try to do some things now. buffering would 2653 03:51:24,479 --> 03:51:30,000 be a relatively clear one I think for us to be able to 2654 03:51:28,720 --> 03:51:33,520 turn around in a couple of weeks and both keep this moving but add a little 2655 03:51:31,760 --> 03:51:38,560 bit to the scope of phase one as you're you're requesting some of the other 2656 03:51:35,680 --> 03:51:42,800 pieces. Um I'll go to subatomic or subaudible noise for example is one that 2657 03:51:40,560 --> 03:51:45,680 we've heard raised that is one we need to do a lot of data on we don't have 2658 03:51:44,319 --> 03:51:48,800 much in that way right now and so that would be something we would be harder 2659 03:51:47,120 --> 03:51:53,359 pressed I think is staff to meaningfully bring something forward for a phase one 2660 03:51:51,680 --> 03:51:57,439 really is more appropriate to wait for phase two and then at any of those 2661 03:51:55,199 --> 03:52:02,319 stages they can always get updated the next phase or at a later date. So I hope 2662 03:51:59,279 --> 03:52:08,000 that completely answers your question. Yeah, that that answers that. 2663 03:52:05,279 --> 03:52:12,399 » Um, I had a follow-up question and it just left me. Hold on just a second. 2664 03:52:10,479 --> 03:52:13,600 » You want me to just go on until it comes back? 2665 03:52:12,880 --> 03:52:19,279 » Yeah, go ahead. >> So, I just want to restate what I just 2666 03:52:15,840 --> 03:52:23,680 heard. So staff is you would have enough time to bring us information about the 2667 03:52:21,040 --> 03:52:27,760 buffer zone, but when it comes to noise, we really want to give you all the 2668 03:52:26,080 --> 03:52:32,160 additional time that you asked in that environmental analysis that um to bring 2669 03:52:30,399 --> 03:52:35,040 that data back to us. >> Yeah. And we can take these one by I'll 2670 03:52:33,600 --> 03:52:38,880 go ahead with your your question. >> Yes. I wanted to go back to the water 2671 03:52:36,720 --> 03:52:44,000 because I know that you're saying like the water usage we currently have. Is 2672 03:52:41,520 --> 03:52:48,960 that going to be part of the plan for the code though is to ensure that that's 2673 03:52:46,239 --> 03:52:52,560 still maintains in the future because while that might be like what's 2674 03:52:50,319 --> 03:52:57,680 happening now like I would hope that we would maintain like something that says 2675 03:52:55,520 --> 03:53:02,239 in the code where we're not going to end up you know the way Eastern Oregon is or 2676 03:52:59,760 --> 03:53:06,239 some of these other places where you know we're having people who have brown 2677 03:53:04,560 --> 03:53:11,279 water coming out of their faucets like I would what what are we doing in for the 2678 03:53:07,920 --> 03:53:15,920 code in that phase to ensure that. >> Yeah. And that's why things like that we 2679 03:53:13,840 --> 03:53:19,279 we really think are better suited for phase two. I want to acknowledge what 2680 03:53:17,760 --> 03:53:24,800 we've heard this evening, but back to what staff started with is we there's a 2681 03:53:23,040 --> 03:53:29,199 a couple of different ways that broader package in phase 2 could go. It could be 2682 03:53:26,960 --> 03:53:32,960 certifications of certain efficiencies of systems and buildings that we require 2683 03:53:31,040 --> 03:53:37,439 that on the construction or operation of facilities that would benchmark that. We 2684 03:53:35,520 --> 03:53:41,600 can try to put utility thresholds in caps. I think that's one that is far 2685 03:53:39,439 --> 03:53:45,840 trickier to to predict and can become quite outdated because let's switch 2686 03:53:43,760 --> 03:53:50,640 gears off of a data center context just for a minute. But if we were to go to 2687 03:53:47,600 --> 03:53:54,319 homes and say here's your kilowatt threshold, you can't go above that and 2688 03:53:52,960 --> 03:53:57,040 all somebody says but it's getting hotter and I really want to put an AC 2689 03:53:55,680 --> 03:54:03,120 unit in and that's going to increase my my utility bill each month by 30%. It 2690 03:54:00,080 --> 03:54:06,960 it's it's a very different scale but that's kind of where it's very hard to 2691 03:54:05,359 --> 03:54:10,800 protect those type of things. And then on the power pieces we've talked about 2692 03:54:08,479 --> 03:54:13,680 that is happening really with the power utilities in terms of their evaluations 2693 03:54:12,239 --> 03:54:16,399 especially for the large load users. And so we're trying to find ways to connect 2694 03:54:14,880 --> 03:54:19,600 those but that's the that's the time we need 2695 03:54:18,399 --> 03:54:22,800 for those assessments and that's the additional time to really craft 2696 03:54:20,880 --> 03:54:26,640 thoughtful and digestible and understandable language in phase two of 2697 03:54:25,199 --> 03:54:32,080 what realistically would that look like in terms of us codifying in our land use 2698 03:54:29,040 --> 03:54:36,640 code. You get a 100 drops of water and at 101 drops of water no go. and what 2699 03:54:34,640 --> 03:54:40,960 happens if that's not really what we want or intend. And so that that that 2700 03:54:38,640 --> 03:54:44,560 needs work uh ahead. So I hope that kind of answers your question. The pieces 2701 03:54:42,960 --> 03:54:48,720 that we could move forward, I would just say now from the consensus, if I can 2702 03:54:46,160 --> 03:54:52,319 just start the echo back of what we think we heard from commonalities and 2703 03:54:50,640 --> 03:54:56,880 maybe take these one by one and just kind of get a rough sense of did we 2704 03:54:54,960 --> 03:55:01,359 capture so Rachel I can take that and get our staff mobilized and and 2705 03:54:58,880 --> 03:55:04,479 effective there. I'll start with the uh the notion of buffering. I think we 2706 03:55:02,880 --> 03:55:09,199 heard that from at least four of you, maybe all five of you. I think we can go 2707 03:55:07,120 --> 03:55:14,640 back and try to look at buffering, uh, run through a couple of map exercises 2708 03:55:11,040 --> 03:55:20,479 based on the assets. Um, we can start with a 500,000 ft, you 2709 03:55:18,080 --> 03:55:24,160 know, quarter mile buffer just so to understand like what does that include 2710 03:55:21,920 --> 03:55:27,680 or doesn't include. We will try to tie it to some degree of impact, but this is 2711 03:55:25,920 --> 03:55:31,439 where it's it's a little difficult of what is the cause of the buffer. I've 2712 03:55:29,120 --> 03:55:34,560 heard noise. We have noise thresholds that we enforce at the property 2713 03:55:32,720 --> 03:55:39,680 boundaries of decibel levels across all uses. Um, but we could try to do that. 2714 03:55:36,880 --> 03:55:43,600 Is it impacts of something else? It would help us to understand that. But 2715 03:55:41,359 --> 03:55:46,160 yes, we could walk out of here. Rachel, I'm looking at you. She'll throw 2716 03:55:44,640 --> 03:55:50,479 something at me if if she thinks we can't do this or she'll speak up. But we 2717 03:55:48,640 --> 03:55:55,840 can probably map and put that. And what I would propose if we do that, 2718 03:55:53,199 --> 03:55:59,680 we do it with the limited zone and capacity that we've proposed in this 2719 03:55:57,439 --> 03:56:03,840 phase one package, not for all the zones across the city of like solidify that 2720 03:56:02,160 --> 03:56:07,920 step down too. But I haven't heard that, but just to clarify that point of what 2721 03:56:05,439 --> 03:56:11,840 we would analyze. So on the buffering piece, any thoughts 2722 03:56:09,600 --> 03:56:15,520 or questions or would you like to move forward with that? Just to clarify, you 2723 03:56:14,160 --> 03:56:19,840 would just give us the buffering information in the IP and the IS zones, 2724 03:56:18,000 --> 03:56:24,399 not necessarily in what we've heard from the public when they're talking about 2725 03:56:22,239 --> 03:56:28,960 the closeness to schools. >> Would you mind pulling up the slide in 2726 03:56:27,279 --> 03:56:34,640 the presentation from the staff report this evening that shows the cap? It's 2727 03:56:32,880 --> 03:56:39,520 the one with that percentage threshold in the zone map of IPIS. Rachel, I'll 2728 03:56:38,160 --> 03:56:43,439 try to give a visual just to make sure hopefully that words can get confusing 2729 03:56:41,359 --> 03:56:47,000 still of intent versus what we're actually talking about. 2730 03:56:53,199 --> 03:57:00,239 So what we could try to do being mindful of where 2731 03:56:58,160 --> 03:57:03,439 the limited areas in which data centers would potentially be allowed with phase 2732 03:57:01,920 --> 03:57:08,319 two as it's or phase one as it's somewhat structured right now. That's 2733 03:57:05,520 --> 03:57:15,439 okay. That was the right map though. >> Yeah. Um, 2734 03:57:11,520 --> 03:57:18,399 we could take that map. Obviously, we could put the existing 2735 03:57:17,040 --> 03:57:23,199 data centers on there because they're existing today. And what we could do is 2736 03:57:21,040 --> 03:57:27,920 buffer off the put the schools in and off of the known school locations. Run a 2737 03:57:25,600 --> 03:57:32,800 500 foot buffer on the schools, a thousand foot buffer on the schools to 2738 03:57:29,600 --> 03:57:35,840 show then, okay, data centers with the limited acreage capacity that we 2739 03:57:34,640 --> 03:57:40,160 proposed in phase one, unless you want to change that would be allowed up in 2740 03:57:38,560 --> 03:57:43,600 that area, but not within those buffers. And if you wanted to incorporate that, 2741 03:57:41,359 --> 03:57:49,120 we could take that and then draft that buffer language into the code as well to 2742 03:57:46,720 --> 03:57:54,720 say data centers are not allowed within 1,000 ft of schools in those areas, new 2743 03:57:52,319 --> 03:57:58,160 data centers in those capacities. If that would be helpful and responsive to 2744 03:57:56,160 --> 03:58:03,279 both the the commission's desire and the public uh feedback we heard. 2745 03:58:02,000 --> 03:58:07,000 » Rachel, anything I'm missing on that front or that you want to add? 2746 03:58:09,600 --> 03:58:16,239 I have a question. >> Sorry, just to clarify because there 2747 03:58:12,560 --> 03:58:21,199 were different numbers um that were discussed. So, if you have direction on 2748 03:58:18,000 --> 03:58:26,160 numbers on what that buffer looks like, that's great. If not, and you want us to 2749 03:58:23,760 --> 03:58:30,880 bring options and what that would look like, we can do that, too. Just for 2750 03:58:28,800 --> 03:58:37,199 everyone's clarification, a quarter mile is 1320 ft. So, we were using feet and 2751 03:58:34,560 --> 03:58:41,920 miles. So, Yeah. So, um 2752 03:58:40,160 --> 03:58:48,239 that's what that would look like. And then, um just to make sure that I'm 2753 03:58:44,880 --> 03:58:54,880 understanding also clearly, um would that buffer are we are you 2754 03:58:52,080 --> 03:59:01,760 asking that that buffer be applied to standalone data centers or 2755 03:58:58,960 --> 03:59:03,760 um accessory enterprise data centers as well? 2756 03:59:02,399 --> 03:59:11,720 » That was going to be my question. >> Oh, okay. But yeah, so so I just have a 2757 03:59:06,479 --> 03:59:11,720 thought here. Um, one, 2758 03:59:12,640 --> 03:59:23,600 here's my here, here's my thought. So, according to what the proposed language 2759 03:59:19,359 --> 03:59:30,160 is, we only have what, 30 acres left. If we were to approve primary uses, we have 2760 03:59:26,640 --> 03:59:34,640 like 30 acres left for primary uses. And so, the question then becomes the 2761 03:59:31,760 --> 03:59:38,960 accessory question. and maybe the transfer question, but those my 2762 03:59:37,520 --> 03:59:44,160 understanding of the code is that you can you can you can only have you can 2763 03:59:41,520 --> 03:59:49,680 only transfer into the industrial part. Is that correct? So you're still just 2764 03:59:46,560 --> 03:59:54,960 dealing with 30 acres within or you can you're still only dealing with the 2765 03:59:51,040 --> 04:00:02,960 industrial part that's up there in blue. It's like I used to do GIS for a while. 2766 03:59:58,560 --> 04:00:07,920 Until you we nail down that percentage of accessory use, 2767 04:00:05,600 --> 04:00:15,680 I think this analysis may end up being slightly meaningless 2768 04:00:10,479 --> 04:00:20,720 because it depends on how much land is going to be allowed to be used for the 2769 04:00:17,600 --> 04:00:26,640 accessory use, what that buffering would look like on a map. 2770 04:00:23,680 --> 04:00:33,840 So, if you're requesting from staff that we potentially change those percentages, 2771 04:00:30,640 --> 04:00:38,720 I think you want them to wait until we actually have that number 2772 04:00:36,479 --> 04:00:42,880 before you use staff time making this analysis 2773 04:00:40,720 --> 04:00:52,080 based on my understanding of how GIS analysis works and how kind of 2774 04:00:48,080 --> 04:00:57,520 like because the like theoretically a lot of this map is going to end end 2775 04:00:54,960 --> 04:01:01,760 end up being access possible for accessory use right yes nodding yes I'm 2776 04:01:00,960 --> 04:01:05,680 understanding that correctly >> that would be the candidate areas where 2777 04:01:03,439 --> 04:01:10,319 the accessory use could be transferred into or occur again it can occur 2778 04:01:08,640 --> 04:01:15,920 » so I I guess I'm just thinking like again I like I really understand this 2779 04:01:12,160 --> 04:01:21,520 desire to get to an answer and to get things in this phase one but I also 2780 04:01:18,160 --> 04:01:28,640 think you may be asking for a lot of work that may not ultimately yield a 2781 04:01:25,359 --> 04:01:35,359 whole lot of actual information that's that's useful for making decisions and 2782 04:01:32,319 --> 04:01:38,720 getting things in the code >> because I think that analysis can 2783 04:01:36,720 --> 04:01:41,920 absolutely be done but there's things Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. 2784 04:01:40,000 --> 04:01:47,439 » I was just going to also clarify from a staff from a I think you're just 2785 04:01:44,160 --> 04:01:52,319 suggesting to not have us do work that might not be meaningful. I will also s I 2786 04:01:50,000 --> 04:01:56,399 will just say that from from a mapping perspective it would not be very 2787 04:01:54,000 --> 04:02:04,160 difficult to map a 500 foot,000 foot 1320t buffer from 2788 04:02:01,840 --> 04:02:07,359 schools in all of the zones. We have that data already because we have 2789 04:02:05,600 --> 04:02:14,239 buffers from schools for marijuana facilities. So um so we do already have 2790 04:02:11,199 --> 04:02:19,279 a map that's the shows those buffers already. Um it's 1,000 ft for marijuana 2791 04:02:16,960 --> 04:02:24,800 facilities. Um I already have that map. We have that map online. Um I could very 2792 04:02:21,600 --> 04:02:29,040 easily re have our GS team reapply that to like the industrial zones for 2793 04:02:26,560 --> 04:02:33,439 example. Um because we already do already have that 2794 04:02:30,800 --> 04:02:36,479 wouldn't be creating new um new data at this point. Yeah. 2795 04:02:34,880 --> 04:02:39,600 » But Commissioner Thrash, I think your point is still valid that we can that's 2796 04:02:37,920 --> 04:02:45,120 why we're offering this. can run this but really what that policy benefit to 2797 04:02:42,880 --> 04:02:49,920 you and to the effect of the concerns raised might still be a little bit mixed 2798 04:02:47,199 --> 04:02:53,600 because we do need to land the percentage of the accessory to really 2799 04:02:51,920 --> 04:02:57,840 understand and it won't necessarily be 1300 acres but what does that look like 2800 04:02:56,000 --> 04:03:03,279 so I guess the question I would come back to on that first common theme is 2801 04:03:01,359 --> 04:03:08,319 with what we just discussed would you like staff to evaluate buffers from 2802 04:03:05,680 --> 04:03:11,279 schools we can run the thousand foot pretty quickly and pretty handily and 2803 04:03:09,920 --> 04:03:14,880 then bring that back to show what would that look like and and definitely 2804 04:03:12,960 --> 04:03:17,840 separates near-term development activity from the 2805 04:03:16,319 --> 04:03:21,840 schools until we get into phase two if that's of interest to the commission. 2806 04:03:20,800 --> 04:03:26,160 » How do we feel? >> I' I'd like to see it if it's not since 2807 04:03:24,880 --> 04:03:30,800 it's not going to be that much extra work. I'd like to see 2808 04:03:28,720 --> 04:03:34,560 » Okay. And I feel that meets the needs of the commission and what we've heard from 2809 04:03:32,479 --> 04:03:41,439 community. So, gratitude for bringing that phase 2 element into this phase. Uh 2810 04:03:38,080 --> 04:03:45,840 the other part that I'm hearing also is clarity on accessory use this 2811 04:03:43,760 --> 04:03:52,000 percentage. Um do we have any any comments from 2812 04:03:49,279 --> 04:03:56,800 staff about what additional clarity you all need from us? 2813 04:03:54,640 --> 04:04:00,720 I don't think so. I have Yeah, that's I did. Did Did you go down your whole 2814 04:03:58,000 --> 04:04:06,560 list? Sorry. I um so I have Yeah. consensus on looking at the accessory 2815 04:04:02,720 --> 04:04:10,479 use and further limiting um either either and or further limiting the 2816 04:04:08,800 --> 04:04:16,880 acreage and or looking at a different way to limit whether that's um floor 2817 04:04:13,439 --> 04:04:22,560 area, gross floor area or some other um figure. And I think we we can bring back 2818 04:04:19,359 --> 04:04:28,800 some options for that. Um the definitions and looking at making sure 2819 04:04:24,560 --> 04:04:35,199 we're addressing um all types of data centers and uses, the buffer to schools 2820 04:04:32,560 --> 04:04:41,680 and some options for that. And then um I also heard consensus around a type three 2821 04:04:38,000 --> 04:04:49,199 review process. I didn't um and wanted to clarify on whether that you wanted 2822 04:04:44,800 --> 04:04:54,880 that applied to standalone and accessory um for data centers or one or the other 2823 04:04:52,160 --> 04:05:01,040 or both and um yes and um and the energy 2824 04:04:58,640 --> 04:05:06,239 generation facilities. I will say that I will um 2825 04:05:03,840 --> 04:05:12,160 I will uh for energy storage specifically look at the definition um 2826 04:05:10,479 --> 04:05:17,199 that came out of that luba decision today to make sure that we're consistent 2827 04:05:14,399 --> 04:05:22,000 with that. So um if I find that it needs revisions based on that luba decision, 2828 04:05:18,960 --> 04:05:28,640 we'll bring that back to you to you all. But um if we could get maybe like uh it 2829 04:05:26,479 --> 04:05:34,080 sounds like consensus was a desire for a type three review. So maybe thumbs up on 2830 04:05:31,359 --> 04:05:37,080 that applying to standalone data centers. 2831 04:05:37,199 --> 04:05:42,720 » I I would personally like to see it on all three. 2832 04:05:40,080 --> 04:05:47,760 » Okay. So all three being standalone data centers, accessory use data centers, and 2833 04:05:44,800 --> 04:05:50,760 then energy storage and generation. Okay. 2834 04:05:54,319 --> 04:06:04,880 in not to. Okay. So, remember when we had a 2835 04:06:02,319 --> 04:06:09,760 previous meeting where we talked about shifting from a type two to a type three 2836 04:06:08,000 --> 04:06:14,880 and you were able to provide us these two scenarios. 2837 04:06:12,399 --> 04:06:20,880 If this if it ends up being beneficial for you to show us there's a couple of 2838 04:06:17,439 --> 04:06:27,439 scenarios where it might be better uh for these type of energy storage uses to 2839 04:06:24,239 --> 04:06:31,880 remain a type two then definitely if possible provide us that context. 2840 04:06:35,279 --> 04:06:41,120 And then for the community type two meaning it would not come to a public 2841 04:06:39,120 --> 04:06:44,279 hearing type three public hearing. We hear you. 2842 04:06:49,840 --> 04:06:56,800 » Is there anything from what staff ran through that you feel was missing from 2843 04:06:54,080 --> 04:06:59,800 the common points of feedback from the commission? 2844 04:07:00,880 --> 04:07:05,840 » Recognizing I know it's getting late, people are tired because cuz if there 2845 04:07:03,840 --> 04:07:10,720 is, we'd want to catch it now if possible. If not, then what we would 2846 04:07:07,680 --> 04:07:16,880 suggest is that the commission make a motion to close the meeting and continue 2847 04:07:14,399 --> 04:07:20,319 your meeting and your deliberations to we would recommend your next regularly 2848 04:07:18,800 --> 04:07:25,199 scheduled planning commission meeting of September 9th uh at 6 p.m. And what 2849 04:07:23,359 --> 04:07:28,479 staff would do is bring that package with a supplemental staff report back 2850 04:07:27,359 --> 04:07:32,080 and you would continue these deliberations based on this feedback and 2851 04:07:30,319 --> 04:07:35,920 direction. Hopefully, we hit the mark pretty close and then from there 2852 04:07:34,319 --> 04:07:40,080 possibly be in a spot to make your recommendation to council um or figure 2853 04:07:38,800 --> 04:07:44,319 out what else would be needed in the conversation. 2854 04:07:41,199 --> 04:07:49,359 » The only thing that I heard Commissioner Jackson talk about was water usage and 2855 04:07:47,520 --> 04:07:53,920 Commissioner Grill, just because the community hasn't brought that up. If you 2856 04:07:51,439 --> 04:07:59,640 all if we could just provide context there so that it's clear and in um on 2857 04:07:56,479 --> 04:07:59,640 the record. 2858 04:08:04,479 --> 04:08:09,560 And can I ask a procedural question too? 2859 04:08:10,080 --> 04:08:16,239 » Wasn't I wasn't asking you. >> Um, 2860 04:08:14,080 --> 04:08:20,560 so are we holding the record open for 2861 04:08:18,560 --> 04:08:24,319 written comment on whatever you bring back or did the closing of the public 2862 04:08:22,319 --> 04:08:29,760 hearing take care of that? That's up to the planning commission. But as we sit 2863 04:08:26,000 --> 04:08:33,520 right now, the public hearing is closed and we would be responding only to your 2864 04:08:32,080 --> 04:08:37,760 deliberation and direction at this point in time. We would not be seeking I mean 2865 04:08:36,239 --> 04:08:41,040 people could still comment but technically we are going to try to focus 2866 04:08:39,120 --> 04:08:46,080 to get the policy package responding to the public comments that were heard 2867 04:08:43,920 --> 04:08:50,800 during the scheduled and noticed public comment period and letting us really try 2868 04:08:48,399 --> 04:08:54,560 to get a a responsive policy package based on your feedback and direction 2869 04:08:52,239 --> 04:08:58,720 this evening. Okay, got it. >> Yeah, there is the potential to reopen a 2870 04:08:57,279 --> 04:09:04,080 public hearing at your next meeting or continue that, but that's up to you for 2871 04:09:01,439 --> 04:09:07,359 to decide. But as we stand right now, staff would come back with the response 2872 04:09:06,239 --> 04:09:13,319 points that you've asked us to and then let you continue your deliberation and 2873 04:09:09,600 --> 04:09:13,319 moving towards a decision. 2874 04:09:15,040 --> 04:09:22,160 » Any comments from commissioners? >> Okay. 2875 04:09:19,920 --> 04:09:27,800 » All right. Can I get a motion or do do we do we need clarity on how to state 2876 04:09:24,479 --> 04:09:27,800 this motion? 2877 04:09:32,800 --> 04:09:45,680 » Um I move to uh close this meeting at and move it to oh sorry 2878 04:09:40,960 --> 04:09:50,239 and continue it to September 9th 2026 at six. What was there for final 2879 04:09:48,160 --> 04:09:56,399 delivery? for final deliberate deliberation. It's 2880 04:09:53,199 --> 04:10:01,920 late. Sorry. And based on feedback given to staff. 2881 04:09:59,439 --> 04:10:04,880 Anything else? Any add? No. Okay. Do I have a second? 2882 04:10:03,359 --> 04:10:11,920 » Commissioner Davis. Second. >> All right. I have a motion 2883 04:10:08,319 --> 04:10:23,279 by Commissioner Jackson and a second by Commissioner Davis to close this hearing 2884 04:10:16,720 --> 04:10:26,319 and continue on September 6, 2026 with deliber 2885 04:10:24,880 --> 04:10:32,080 » September 9th. >> Hey, September 9th. Don't come on the 2886 04:10:28,239 --> 04:10:35,720 6th. uh September 9th, 2026 >> at 6 PM. 2887 04:10:37,680 --> 04:10:45,199 » All those in favor say I. >> I. 2888 04:10:40,800 --> 04:10:50,239 » I. Any opposed? Any abstensions? Motion carries. 2889 04:10:48,479 --> 04:10:54,640 Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Unfinished business? None. Do any commissioners 2890 04:10:52,640 --> 04:10:57,640 have any communications or reports for discussion? 2891 04:10:58,239 --> 04:11:05,359 Yeah. >> All right. There's a little out of 2892 04:11:02,319 --> 04:11:08,359 order. I believe this meeting is adjourned. 2893 04:11:09,840 --> 04:11:16,160 » I thought it was Lesie >> all night. 2894 04:11:14,000 --> 04:11:21,359 » I'll make I'll make it brief. >> Yeah. No, thank you, Vice President. 2895 04:11:19,359 --> 04:11:25,199 » Oh my lord. Hold on y'all. Y'all can't go anywhere. We got a final item for 2896 04:11:23,359 --> 04:11:28,520 this evening. >> The administr 2897 04:11:28,800 --> 04:11:35,520 The administrative monthly report presented by our development services 2898 04:11:32,000 --> 04:11:37,680 manager Leslie Hamilton. Leslie, can may we have the admin monthly report, 2899 04:11:37,279 --> 04:11:41,760 please? >> Yes. Thank you, Vice President Saka. The 2900 04:11:39,760 --> 04:11:45,600 admin report is a little beefier than usual because we haven't had meetings 2901 04:11:43,439 --> 04:11:52,000 with an admin report. I think it captures generally uh some of the things 2902 04:11:48,000 --> 04:11:57,520 you don't see in front of you. ADUs um um raising canes is moving their 2903 04:11:54,800 --> 04:12:03,279 footprint uh things like that. uh some temporary uses and uh a big uh project 2904 04:12:01,040 --> 04:12:10,239 going up in the SU corporate park. So you'll see um uh 178,000 square foot not 2905 04:12:07,680 --> 04:12:14,479 data center going up there. Um very industrial use up there. So just a broad 2906 04:12:12,640 --> 04:12:17,880 range. Um if you have questions I can answer them otherwise. 2907 04:12:18,399 --> 04:12:23,760 » Thank you Leslie. We do not have a work session this evening. If there's no 2908 04:12:22,319 --> 04:12:27,800 further business, the planning commission is adjourned at 10:36