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>> good evening, planning.

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>> ken hagan: good morning ask

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welcome to the SEPTEMBER 12th,

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2023, regularly scheduled land

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use meeting of the hillsborough

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county board of county

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commissioners.

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Would everyone please rise for

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the pledge and invocation given

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by our chaplain commissioner

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cameron cepeda.

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>> donna cameron cepeda: [Pledge

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of allegiance]

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Heavenly father, we acknowledge

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you in all of our ways.

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We thank you for your great love

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for all of us.

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We thank you for your mercy that

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endures forever.

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And this morning we pray for

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special blessing for master

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deputy paul alsoundry.

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We just thank you that for his

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many years of 26 years of

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serving others, as he's about to

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retire, we thank you for these

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many years of protecting his

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life, and we ask you to continue

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protecting him and that he will

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have a long and healthy life.

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We pray for all the many others

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that are retiring here in

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hillsborough county this month.

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We pray for paula adkins, gloria

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steel, bethany smedly, connie

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casauny, roger peon, leslie

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hickland, marsha batista,

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joaquin, and howard nipper.

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that they will have a long and

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healthy life full of joy, and we

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just ask you for this bless this

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meeting this morning and we

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thank you in your holy name.

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Amen.

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>> ken hagan: thank you,

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commissioner cameron cepeda.

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MR. Grady, do you want to review

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>> good morning, commissioners.

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brian grady, hillsborough county

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development services.

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First I will go over to changes

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and adependm to

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The first addendum is on page 6

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of the agenda, b 4 rezoning pd

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23-0193.

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Revised report has been added to

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the backup adding condition 1 to

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clarify the requested intent of

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the changes to add a

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clarification that is part of

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this community residential

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home.

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It shall utilize the existing

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structures indicated in the site

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plan.

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So that is change to condition 1

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to memorialize what was shown in

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the record as the intent for

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this project.

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Next change is on page 9 of the

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agenda, item b 11, patterson

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road residential pi number

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This has been removed by -- from

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consent by commissioner hagan

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and commissioner wostal.

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Item, third change is on page 13

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of the agenda item f 3 rezoning

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standard 23-0115.

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the backup correcting a

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scrivener's error in the

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application summary section of

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the staff report to correctly

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update the reference to the flu

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category, which is res 20.

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the res 6.

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G1, pd 23-1090.

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continuance to the NOVEMBER 2023

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land use meeting.

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Next change is b, 23-0210.

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continuance to the

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continuance to the

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item to be continued to the

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Item a 2, prs 23-0136.

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Item a 3, prs 23-299.

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to be heard and is being

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commissioners land use meeting

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22-0019.

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>> ken hagan: can we have a

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motion to approve the changes?

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>> gwen myers: move for

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>> ken hagan: motion,

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commissioner myers, second,

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commissioner kemp.

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Please record your vote.

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>> motion carried 7-0.

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>> ken hagan: can we have a

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motion to approve the consent

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with the exception of b 11,

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which was pulled.

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Motion by commissioner owen.

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>> gwen myers: second.

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>> ken hagan: second,

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commissioner myers, to approve

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the consent agenda.

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>> motion carried 7-0.

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>> ken hagan: if you're here for

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a b item, your application has

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to ask the clerk to administer

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the oath, so if you're planning

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on testifying today, please

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stand and raise your right hand

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so the clerk can swear you in.

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>> thank you.

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>> ken hagan: MR. Grady, do you

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want to introduce b 11?

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>> commissions, the first item

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on the agenda is b 11, patterson

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residential pa number 5549.

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The applicant is to accept

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accept the plat for recording

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for patterson road

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residential,lectomied in section

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29 township 27 and range 17 and

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to administratively accept the

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improvement facilities for

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maintenance upon completion.

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>> ken hagan: is the applicant

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>> kami corbett on behalf of

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will hard henderson ooon behalf

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>> I think what I would say to

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the board, a plat is a

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minspherule item.

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whether or not it complies with

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the technical standards of these

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florida statutes and your land

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development code.

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And your staff has found that it

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does in fact comply with those

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items and so therefore it's

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I think the case law will

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support that it's a ministerial

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approval that you really don't

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have to discretion to deny.

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So that would be our position on

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it, so we would respectfully

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request that you approve it.

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>> ken hagan: okay.

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Commissioner wostal, you pulled

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>> joshua wostal: yeah, I just

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wanted -- I want to learn more

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MR. Gormly, is this the, I know

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that this is the plot of land

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that the water pipes were being

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ran through, right?

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On the easements there?

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>> this, this plat does have a

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wastewater service to it, yes,

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water and wastewater services.

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>> joshua wostal: when I had

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talked to you about this a

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couple months ago, is this the

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same issue where it seemed to

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have been done in a different

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way in the past where normally

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the developer will come to an

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agreement with the county and

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accept accountability for the

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costs of putting in this

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infrastructure, it protects

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them, but if not in this way,

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did they do it with some type

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of -- I'm just trying to

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understand.

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It seems this one was done in a

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different way than past ones and

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I want to be transparent about

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if it was done differently why

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it was done differently.

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That way there is no confusion.

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We have obviously been reached

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out by the public on this

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particular plot of lnd so if

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you could clarify that

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confusion, I would appreciate

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it.

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>> commissioner, you're

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referencing the oversizing a

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portion of the pipes?

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>> joshua wostal: correct.

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>> so there is a oversized

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portion of the pipe that is

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leading, I believe it's along

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race track road.

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That oversizing was done to

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accommodate a future county

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project with flows coming from a

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wastewater treatment plant in

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the north.

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The project was reviewed and

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approved for all the technical

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standards associated with those

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oversized pipes.

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In past instances where there's

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been an oversizing, the

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applicant has pursued an

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oversizing agreement with the

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board to be reimbursed for the

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additional cost of oversizing

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those pipes.

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The applicant has not pursued

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that oversizing agreement, has

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not pursued that oversizing

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agreement.

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Nonetheless, the pipes are being

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installed in accordance with the

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approved plans and are being

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inspected and my understanding

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that the applicant made the

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conscious decision to proceed

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with the development

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notwithstanding not having

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pursued a oversizing agreement.

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>> joshua wostal: so then this

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item doesn't have anything to do

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with the oversizing agreement.

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This is just --

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>> correct.

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This item would -- this item

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would approve the final plat

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which would create individual

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lots and tracts within the

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parcel.

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It will grant the county staff

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the authority to accept the

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improvement facilities which

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would include the water and

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wastewater pipes once they're

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completed provides a performance

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security for the completion of

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those improvements as well as a

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warranty security for two years

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to warrant -- to provide a

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warranty against defects in

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workmanship on the

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infrastructure that the county's

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accepting.

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>> joshua wostal: okay and the,

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my final, is the -- we have so

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many different water projects

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going on because of our growth,

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so is, what's the need for this

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wastewater facility?

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Because is it, is this the one

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that's outdated up in the

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northwest part of the county?

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>> I believe that yes, that the,

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that there is a capacity

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challenges, and I believe it's

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the van dyke plant, and so there

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is a longer-term plan to route

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some of the flows that are

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currently going to that plant to

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the plant that's by advantis

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ark.

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>> joshua wostal: so is this or

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is it not in layman's terms us

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dealing with the oversizing

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agreement?

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>> there is nothing in this item

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that deals with any

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reimbursement for any of the

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oversizing of the pipes.

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It would --

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>> joshua wostal: okay.

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Thank you very much for that

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clarification.

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>> ken hagan: all right, thank

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you.

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I also pulled this item, and I

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think the applicant is correct

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when thee stated it is a -- she

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stated it is a ministerial

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action and we typically rubber

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stamp plat approvals.

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However, if you have been on the

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board for a while you know this

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has been anything but a typical

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development.

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There have been many, many

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issues with this builder.

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In my opinion they're just a bad

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community partner, and I guess

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question and there is litigation

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between the neighbors and the

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builder going on right now that

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is set for mid-NOVEMBER.

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So I think theoretically us

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approving a plat today not

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suggesting we deny it, but

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approving it today would

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theoretically result in a

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reversal of some of the

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improvements.

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This could put unsuspecting home

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buyers in a bad situation, so I

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guess the question I got for

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you, adam, is there anything

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that prevents us from denying or

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from delaying the plat

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acceptance until the litigation

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is resolved or what are your

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thoughts on that?

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>> well, first of all, I'll say

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the applicant -- the plat is in

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order to be accepted.

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I would, I would agree with the

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statement from the applicant

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that there has not been any

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defects or flaws identified in

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the plat.

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the, if the -- the language --

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the approval is within the

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board's purview to make that

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motion.

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There MAY be, you know, it MAY

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potentially open up avenues that

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of re-dress that the applicant

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00:17:22,930 --> 00:17:26,400
could seek, but the, you know,

459
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it is the board's, you know,

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prerogative.

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It does need to be accepted by

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the board prior to being

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recorded as a complete final

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plat.

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>> ken hagan: okay.

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Commissioner kemp.

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>> pat kemp: thank you.

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And I was thinking along the

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same lines as you, commissioner

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hagan.

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This is a lawsuit with the trial

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has been postponed twice, one I

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guess because our main staff was

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not able to, to intend at that

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time and then just recently

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postponed again because of the

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hurricane.

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So it won't be occurring until I

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think NOVEMBER 13th to 15th

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is what I read currently, and

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like you, commissioner hagan, I

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just don't feel comfortable even

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though it is ministerial and

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we -- I don't know of any other

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time where we've got moved

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something like this forward, but

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this has been a continual issue

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in particular with this

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developer and violations of, you

490
00:18:40,449 --> 00:18:43,449
know, repeatedly, and I just

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don't feel comfortable moving it

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ahead of the trial and a

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decision from that.

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I would rather continue it until

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after that occurs.

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>> ken hagan: okay.

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>> pat kemp: I'll make a motion

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to continue.

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>> joshua wostal: second.

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>> ken hagan: okay, commissioner

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cohen.

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>> harry cohen: I just really

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agree with this line of thinking

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that there

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there is so much

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unknown out there because this

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trial is pending that we don't,

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we don't have all the facts that

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we need at this point.

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So I agree with you.

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>> ken hagan: commissioner

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owen.

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>> michael owen: yes, thank you,

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MR. Chair.

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I just need to know are you

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supporting the motion, it's your

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district, correct?

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>> ken hagan: I'm wholeheartedly

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supporting the motion.

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>> michael owen: thank you.

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>> ken hagan: we have a motion

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to continue until after the

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court rules on this issue by

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commissioner kemp, second by

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commissioner wostal.

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>> commissioners, sorry,

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DECEMBER 12th is the next land

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use meeting following the

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scheduled trial.

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>> ken hagan: we'll continue to

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that date.

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All right, please record your

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vote.

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>> motion carried 7-0.

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>> ken hagan: all right, thank

536
00:19:55,165 --> 00:19:55,699
you.

537
00:19:55,699 --> 00:19:56,500
MR. Grady.

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Public hearing?

539
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>> next agenda item is c 1, a

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vacating petition by transit

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development, includes --

542
00:20:03,308 --> 00:20:05,708
homeowners association to vacate

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a portion of two 10-foot wide

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platted utility easements.

545
00:20:10,382 --> 00:20:12,151
This is vacation petition

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22-0009.

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00:20:15,187 --> 00:20:16,422
Carrie allen with real estate

548
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services will provide

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presentation.

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>> ken hagan: good morning.

551
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>> carrie allen, real estate

552
00:20:22,429 --> 00:20:24,429
services department.

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00:20:24,531 --> 00:20:26,700
Vacate I.D. V-22-0009.

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This is a petition by transcend

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00:20:30,772 --> 00:20:32,840
development corp and calusa

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creek of hillsborough homeowners

557
00:20:34,576 --> 00:20:36,878
association inc. To vacate two

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00:20:36,878 --> 00:20:38,513
portions of two 10-foot wide

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platted public utility easements

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lined within lots 71 and 134.

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These are within the plat of

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calusa creek recorded in plat

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book 138 page 28.

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The petitioners have submitted

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this request to resolve the

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encroachment of townhomes

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constructed into portions of the

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utility easements.

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The proposed vacate area is

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generally located south of balm

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riverview road, north of boyette

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00:21:03,908 --> 00:21:04,442
road and east of highway 301 in

573
00:21:04,442 --> 00:21:06,110
riverview.

574
00:21:06,110 --> 00:21:07,312
The vacate areas consists of

575
00:21:07,312 --> 00:21:09,312
approximately 17 square feet

576
00:21:09,948 --> 00:21:12,348
within lot 71 and approximately

577
00:21:14,219 --> 00:21:15,521
11 square feet within lot 134.

578
00:21:15,521 --> 00:21:17,521
Reviewing departments, agencies,

579
00:21:19,562 --> 00:21:19,681
and utility providers have

580
00:21:19,681 --> 00:21:19,778
raised no objections to this

581
00:21:19,778 --> 00:21:20,426
request.

582
00:21:20,426 --> 00:21:22,826
Staff recommends approval of

583
00:21:23,730 --> 00:21:24,531
this petition request.

584
00:21:24,531 --> 00:21:25,132
>> ken hagan: all right, this is

585
00:21:25,132 --> 00:21:26,660
a public hearing.

586
00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:27,568
Would anyone like to speak to

587
00:21:27,568 --> 00:21:29,568
this item?

588
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:32,907
Can we have a motion?

589
00:21:32,907 --> 00:21:33,441
>> joshua wostal: move for

590
00:21:33,441 --> 00:21:34,242
approval.

591
00:21:34,242 --> 00:21:35,343
>> ken hagan: motion to approve,

592
00:21:35,343 --> 00:21:36,311
commissioner wostal, second,

593
00:21:36,311 --> 00:21:37,212
commissioner cohen.

594
00:21:37,212 --> 00:21:40,480
No comments, please record your

595
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,683
vote.

596
00:21:41,683 --> 00:21:42,351
>> motion carried 7-0.

597
00:21:42,351 --> 00:21:44,420
>> ken hagan: all right.

598
00:21:44,420 --> 00:21:44,954
Thank you.

599
00:21:44,954 --> 00:21:46,550
MR. Grady.

600
00:21:46,550 --> 00:21:49,655
>> the next item is agenda item

601
00:21:49,892 --> 00:21:50,393
e 1, it's prv application

602
00:21:50,393 --> 00:21:51,862
23-0510.

603
00:21:51,862 --> 00:21:52,529
The applicant is wal-mart stores

604
00:21:52,529 --> 00:21:53,430
east, lp.

605
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:54,631
This is a request for a minor

606
00:21:54,631 --> 00:21:56,330
modification to existing planned

607
00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:58,569
development located on the north

608
00:21:58,569 --> 00:22:00,971
side of brandon boulevard, just

609
00:22:00,971 --> 00:22:03,274
west of mount carmel road.

610
00:22:03,274 --> 00:22:04,142
The request is for a minor

611
00:22:04,142 --> 00:22:06,142
modification increase

612
00:22:06,978 --> 00:22:08,978
development entitlements by

613
00:22:12,417 --> 00:22:15,417
7,689 square feet and also to

614
00:22:18,658 --> 00:22:20,660
amend the parking ratio 4.25

615
00:22:20,660 --> 00:22:22,195
spaces per thousand to 3.98.

616
00:22:22,195 --> 00:22:23,830
Staff is recommending aproval

617
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:26,230
subject to revised conditions

618
00:22:27,334 --> 00:22:27,868
and we're available for any

619
00:22:27,868 --> 00:22:28,535
questions.

620
00:22:28,535 --> 00:22:30,935
>> ken hagan: thank you.

621
00:22:34,108 --> 00:22:35,900
Is the applicant here?

622
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:35,743
Morning, sir.

623
00:22:35,743 --> 00:22:37,979
>> ken hagan: good morning.

624
00:22:37,979 --> 00:22:40,248
Yes, this is --

625
00:22:40,248 --> 00:22:41,583
>> good morning, yes, this is a

626
00:22:41,583 --> 00:22:44,583
project to decrease the --

627
00:22:47,456 --> 00:22:47,990
>> can you identify yourself,

628
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:49,892
sir?

629
00:22:49,892 --> 00:22:52,292
>> albert lopez with cph.

630
00:22:53,496 --> 00:22:56,496
We're asking the pd modification

631
00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:57,100
to decrease the parking ratio to

632
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:59,100
3.78.

633
00:23:02,906 --> 00:23:06,506
We had an addition what's called

634
00:23:06,844 --> 00:23:07,812
in the modern retail world an

635
00:23:07,812 --> 00:23:09,381
ogp, online grocery pick-up.

636
00:23:09,381 --> 00:23:11,750
It's going to be new service

637
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:14,150
that wal-mart, it's currently

638
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,455
offering to their customers

639
00:23:16,455 --> 00:23:18,424
where they are storing

640
00:23:18,424 --> 00:23:18,857
everything inside the store

641
00:23:18,857 --> 00:23:19,959
now.

642
00:23:19,959 --> 00:23:22,959
They need additional space to

643
00:23:25,198 --> 00:23:26,433
store these groceries online

644
00:23:26,433 --> 00:23:26,766
while the customers come pick

645
00:23:26,766 --> 00:23:28,766
them up.

646
00:23:30,237 --> 00:23:31,472
So this is an area just limited

647
00:23:31,472 --> 00:23:33,472
to employees only.

648
00:23:33,874 --> 00:23:35,943
They will just store those goods

649
00:23:35,943 --> 00:23:39,347
for a little bit until the

650
00:23:39,347 --> 00:23:40,782
customers comes, park their

651
00:23:40,782 --> 00:23:43,782
cars, employees wil go directly

652
00:23:47,122 --> 00:23:47,589
to their cars and unload the

653
00:23:47,589 --> 00:23:49,589
goods.

654
00:23:49,624 --> 00:23:52,995
Nord to meet this demand we have

655
00:23:52,995 --> 00:23:54,330
designed 45 parking spaces for

656
00:23:54,330 --> 00:23:55,465
those pickup.

657
00:23:55,465 --> 00:23:57,660
We're just increasing the

658
00:23:57,660 --> 00:23:59,269
existing parking spaces from

659
00:23:59,269 --> 00:24:02,269
9.5 feet to 12-foot wide which

660
00:24:02,539 --> 00:24:03,730
is then forcing the parking

661
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:03,740
reduction.

662
00:24:03,740 --> 00:24:04,942
We

663
00:24:04,942 --> 00:24:06,577
we had provided a parking

664
00:24:06,577 --> 00:24:09,577
study to support the parking

665
00:24:10,810 --> 00:24:13,218
ratio works with the demand of

666
00:24:13,218 --> 00:24:14,352
the services and the demand of

667
00:24:14,352 --> 00:24:16,221
amount of customers coming to

668
00:24:16,221 --> 00:24:19,158
the stores still will be enough

669
00:24:19,158 --> 00:24:20,826
to supply for those additional

670
00:24:20,826 --> 00:24:23,429
customers not using the ogp

671
00:24:23,429 --> 00:24:24,463
parking spaces.

672
00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:25,665
There's also restriction on

673
00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,734
square footage in the building

674
00:24:27,734 --> 00:24:30,134
per the pd today.

675
00:24:30,670 --> 00:24:32,205
There is available square

676
00:24:32,205 --> 00:24:33,974
footage on other areas.

677
00:24:33,974 --> 00:24:35,175
We are requesting a change

678
00:24:35,175 --> 00:24:37,578
increase on the square footage

679
00:24:37,578 --> 00:24:41,178
for this building to cover for

680
00:24:44,686 --> 00:24:45,720
the additional building, and

681
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,720
parking study has been provided

682
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:52,128
just to support that.

683
00:24:52,128 --> 00:24:52,762
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir.

684
00:24:52,762 --> 00:24:54,196
This is a public hearing.

685
00:24:54,196 --> 00:24:55,970
Ed with anyone like to speak to

686
00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:55,832
this -- would anyone like to

687
00:24:55,832 --> 00:24:57,567
speak to this item?

688
00:24:57,567 --> 00:25:01,767
If not, can we have a motion?

689
00:25:03,507 --> 00:25:04,308
Commissioner owen, I'm sorry.

690
00:25:04,308 --> 00:25:05,800
>> michael owen: yes.

691
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,243
And MR. Gormly, transportation

692
00:25:06,243 --> 00:25:06,710
doesn't have any issue with

693
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:08,710
this?

694
00:25:09,313 --> 00:25:10,181
We run that by transportation?

695
00:25:10,181 --> 00:25:11,115
>> no issue.

696
00:25:11,115 --> 00:25:12,149
>> joshua wostal: commissioner

697
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:12,784
myers, we have shoppers who go

698
00:25:12,784 --> 00:25:14,352
here in this district.

699
00:25:14,352 --> 00:25:17,289
The only thing I would ask you

700
00:25:17,289 --> 00:25:18,356
would add to it is more cash

701
00:25:18,356 --> 00:25:19,591
cashiers.

702
00:25:19,591 --> 00:25:20,459
I'm sick of self-check.

703
00:25:20,459 --> 00:25:21,126
>> michael owen: it's here to

704
00:25:21,126 --> 00:25:22,600
stay I think.

705
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:22,661
>> ken hagan: commissioner kemp,

706
00:25:22,661 --> 00:25:23,280
do you want to make any

707
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:23,328
comments?

708
00:25:23,328 --> 00:25:24,964
Okay.

709
00:25:24,964 --> 00:25:26,699
We got a motion to approve,

710
00:25:26,699 --> 00:25:27,767
commissioner owen, second,

711
00:25:27,767 --> 00:25:28,902
commissioner kemp.

712
00:25:28,902 --> 00:25:31,902
No more comments, please record

713
00:25:39,380 --> 00:25:41,380
your vote.

714
00:25:41,649 --> 00:25:42,517
>> motion carried 7-0.

715
00:25:42,517 --> 00:25:44,917
>> ken hagan: MR. Gormly,

716
00:25:46,558 --> 00:25:46,674
regular agenda.

717
00:25:46,674 --> 00:25:47,656
>> next item, commissioners,

718
00:25:47,656 --> 00:25:49,900
agenda item f 1, rezoning pd

719
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:51,900
22-01577.

720
00:25:51,727 --> 00:25:53,395
This is a request for a parcel

721
00:25:53,395 --> 00:25:56,395
1.41-acre parcel that is located

722
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,360
on the east side of 78th

723
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:00,837
street located between causeway

724
00:26:00,837 --> 00:26:01,471
boulevard to the north and

725
00:26:01,471 --> 00:26:01,771
progress boulevard to the

726
00:26:01,771 --> 00:26:03,740
south.

727
00:26:03,740 --> 00:26:05,742
The request is to rezone from

728
00:26:05,742 --> 00:26:06,610
asc-1 to a planned development.

729
00:26:06,610 --> 00:26:07,511
The planned development would

730
00:26:07,511 --> 00:26:10,511
allow for one single-family home

731
00:26:12,817 --> 00:26:13,618
and a contractor's office

732
00:26:13,618 --> 00:26:13,918
approximately 5,548 square

733
00:26:13,918 --> 00:26:14,919
feet.

734
00:26:14,919 --> 00:26:18,189
As you will see it was not

735
00:26:18,189 --> 00:26:20,592
recommended for approval by the

736
00:26:20,592 --> 00:26:21,326
zoning hearing master, found

737
00:26:21,326 --> 00:26:22,794
inconsistent by planning

738
00:26:22,794 --> 00:26:23,328
commission and our staff was not

739
00:26:23,328 --> 00:26:24,960
supportive.

740
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,496
Our support was primarily

741
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:27,934
related to a proposed reduction

742
00:26:27,934 --> 00:26:29,902
in the buffer width along the

743
00:26:29,902 --> 00:26:31,104
southern boundary which the code

744
00:26:31,104 --> 00:26:32,438
required 20 feet and three feet

745
00:26:32,438 --> 00:26:33,272
is being requested and a 10-foot

746
00:26:33,272 --> 00:26:35,375
reduction is also being

747
00:26:35,375 --> 00:26:37,111
requested on the northern

748
00:26:37,111 --> 00:26:38,111
boundary of the parcel.

749
00:26:38,111 --> 00:26:39,213
Staff's available for any

750
00:26:39,213 --> 00:26:40,147
questions, thank you.

751
00:26:40,147 --> 00:26:40,414
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

752
00:26:40,414 --> 00:26:42,414
you.

753
00:26:46,954 --> 00:26:49,354
Is the applicant here?

754
00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:06,140
Good morning, sir.

755
00:27:09,413 --> 00:27:10,614
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, commissioners,

756
00:27:10,614 --> 00:27:12,614
todd pressman.

757
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,550
This is application 22-1577 for

758
00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:17,922
247 ac and heat.

759
00:27:17,922 --> 00:27:19,123
These are the company employees

760
00:27:19,123 --> 00:27:21,660
here and the families that are

761
00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:23,195
involved with the company.

762
00:27:23,195 --> 00:27:25,640
It's in the greater palm river

763
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,999
area near causeway boulevard.

764
00:27:26,999 --> 00:27:29,435
Property appraiser has it as

765
00:27:29,435 --> 00:27:29,869
this piece of or this parcel

766
00:27:29,869 --> 00:27:31,404
here.

767
00:27:31,404 --> 00:27:32,939
Issue is that this is a small

768
00:27:32,939 --> 00:27:35,675
business seeking to go to pd to

769
00:27:35,675 --> 00:27:37,410
allow one residential unit and a

770
00:27:37,410 --> 00:27:38,312
contractor's office with no

771
00:27:38,312 --> 00:27:40,280
outside storagement their

772
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,449
operation is like a dispatch.

773
00:27:42,449 --> 00:27:43,651
They come to the office, get

774
00:27:43,651 --> 00:27:44,852
loaded up and they go for the

775
00:27:44,852 --> 00:27:46,200
day.

776
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,122
This is a zoning plan where we

777
00:27:48,122 --> 00:27:50,325
have a residential unit in the

778
00:27:50,325 --> 00:27:51,920
front office in the back, about

779
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,920
20 parking spaces.

780
00:27:56,598 --> 00:27:57,999
A lot of conditions which only

781
00:27:57,999 --> 00:27:58,701
include interior storage for a

782
00:27:58,701 --> 00:27:59,768
contractor's office.

783
00:27:59,768 --> 00:28:00,302
The residential home remains

784
00:28:00,302 --> 00:28:01,837
residential.

785
00:28:01,837 --> 00:28:02,605
No freestanding or wall

786
00:28:02,605 --> 00:28:04,605
signage.

787
00:28:05,141 --> 00:28:06,976
Exterior of the structure in the

788
00:28:06,976 --> 00:28:08,411
front will remain residential.

789
00:28:08,411 --> 00:28:09,546
Opeg fence is required on all

790
00:28:09,546 --> 00:28:11,114
sides of the property, including

791
00:28:11,114 --> 00:28:13,114
the south.

792
00:28:13,984 --> 00:28:16,853
All activity is to be interior,

793
00:28:16,853 --> 00:28:18,923
and no active mechanical, ac or

794
00:28:18,923 --> 00:28:20,240
heat repairs are done obsite.

795
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,125
They're done off site.

796
00:28:21,125 --> 00:28:22,930
The goal is to look and sound

797
00:28:22,930 --> 00:28:22,427
like a mixed professional

798
00:28:22,427 --> 00:28:24,162
office.

799
00:28:24,162 --> 00:28:25,397
You can see in the upper picture

800
00:28:25,397 --> 00:28:26,465
how the residential unit looked

801
00:28:26,465 --> 00:28:29,101
and the improvement that they've

802
00:28:29,101 --> 00:28:29,568
done along 78th at this

803
00:28:29,568 --> 00:28:31,504
point.

804
00:28:31,504 --> 00:28:32,400
The actual business is very well

805
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:32,872
screened.

806
00:28:32,872 --> 00:28:34,874
The buffer as you can see, you

807
00:28:34,874 --> 00:28:36,309
can barely see it in two

808
00:28:36,309 --> 00:28:38,845
pictures from 78th so it's

809
00:28:38,845 --> 00:28:40,280
extremely well buffered.

810
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Comp plan is res 9 which

811
00:28:43,317 --> 00:28:43,851
includes commercial uses and

812
00:28:43,851 --> 00:28:45,753
offices.

813
00:28:45,753 --> 00:28:46,821
Under the zoning map, they're ci

814
00:28:46,821 --> 00:28:49,690
and office commercial to the

815
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:53,890
north, to the south under pd is

816
00:28:55,363 --> 00:28:57,432
a 7-eleven and cn uses.

817
00:28:57,432 --> 00:28:58,100
78th itself carries 15,092

818
00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:59,935
vehicles per day.

819
00:28:59,935 --> 00:29:01,170
It's a very busy roadway, and

820
00:29:01,170 --> 00:29:04,107
under the trip generation, it's

821
00:29:04,107 --> 00:29:06,750
a very low amount of traffic.

822
00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:07,176
The peak in the A.M. Is 9, peak

823
00:29:07,176 --> 00:29:09,279
in the P.M. Is 10.

824
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:10,413
The site does have the test of

825
00:29:10,413 --> 00:29:12,215
time as this type of activity

826
00:29:12,215 --> 00:29:15,386
back in 1995 you can see the

827
00:29:15,386 --> 00:29:18,122
main larger structure is there.

828
00:29:18,122 --> 00:29:19,323
Has great buffering to the

829
00:29:19,323 --> 00:29:20,958
north, we tried to get a holdf

830
00:29:20,958 --> 00:29:21,525
that owner but he has been

831
00:29:21,525 --> 00:29:23,495
unreachable.

832
00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:24,696
It's a little bit of a property

833
00:29:24,696 --> 00:29:25,897
that's been left to its own

834
00:29:25,897 --> 00:29:26,798
devices, and critically,

835
00:29:26,798 --> 00:29:28,660
commissioners, what you probably

836
00:29:28,660 --> 00:29:29,602
didn't hear from your staff

837
00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:31,570
report, the owner to the south

838
00:29:31,570 --> 00:29:33,873
is in support and we have a

839
00:29:33,873 --> 00:29:34,273
written letter of support from

840
00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:35,475
him.

841
00:29:35,475 --> 00:29:36,843
Large water body to the rear, so

842
00:29:36,843 --> 00:29:39,179
you can see we're extremely

843
00:29:39,179 --> 00:29:39,779
buffered, extremely screened all

844
00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:40,914
the way around.

845
00:29:40,914 --> 00:29:42,116
And that's the letter of no

846
00:29:42,116 --> 00:29:44,184
opposition from owner next door

847
00:29:44,184 --> 00:29:44,618
who has been great to work

848
00:29:44,618 --> 00:29:45,486
with.

849
00:29:45,486 --> 00:29:46,920
This is the property to the

850
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,323
north again we made efforts to

851
00:29:49,323 --> 00:29:50,725
try and get ahold of them.

852
00:29:50,725 --> 00:29:53,261
There is a variation supported

853
00:29:53,261 --> 00:29:55,796
toot north in regard to a type b

854
00:29:55,796 --> 00:29:58,633
screening, and to the south,

855
00:29:58,633 --> 00:30:00,603
which would provide fencing and

856
00:30:00,603 --> 00:30:01,937
some screening, I'm sorry, some

857
00:30:01,937 --> 00:30:03,500
landscaping, and a variation if

858
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:05,500
the

859
00:30:05,174 --> 00:30:06,750
for the driveway again in

860
00:30:06,750 --> 00:30:06,709
concert with the property owner

861
00:30:06,709 --> 00:30:08,709
next door.

862
00:30:08,812 --> 00:30:09,713
Locational waiver has to do with

863
00:30:09,713 --> 00:30:12,113
everything I've told you

864
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:15,180
already, which is the interior

865
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:16,453
use conditions, residential

866
00:30:16,453 --> 00:30:17,755
character conditions, the great

867
00:30:17,755 --> 00:30:20,155
buffering and screening I've

868
00:30:20,725 --> 00:30:21,525
shown you already, and the

869
00:30:21,525 --> 00:30:22,259
dispatch-like operation, how

870
00:30:22,259 --> 00:30:24,329
they run this site.

871
00:30:24,329 --> 00:30:25,964
Now, importantly, under the

872
00:30:25,964 --> 00:30:28,364
greater river community plan,

873
00:30:29,468 --> 00:30:32,104
this site is located in a mixed

874
00:30:32,104 --> 00:30:32,571
use business professional office

875
00:30:32,571 --> 00:30:34,173
area.

876
00:30:34,173 --> 00:30:36,750
So specifically under the

877
00:30:36,750 --> 00:30:39,445
community plan, we are in an

878
00:30:39,445 --> 00:30:40,446
area that does support or does

879
00:30:40,446 --> 00:30:43,446
direct use for are what's

880
00:30:43,817 --> 00:30:45,486
proposed here.

881
00:30:45,486 --> 00:30:47,654
And under that basis of the

882
00:30:47,654 --> 00:30:48,555
78th street overlay district

883
00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:49,723
specifically notes it's

884
00:30:49,723 --> 00:30:50,925
appropriate to plan for the

885
00:30:50,925 --> 00:30:52,594
transition of business and

886
00:30:52,594 --> 00:30:54,594
professional offices.

887
00:30:54,863 --> 00:30:57,499
Also under greater palm river

888
00:30:57,499 --> 00:30:59,467
community plan improvements to

889
00:30:59,467 --> 00:31:00,602
78th street are looked for,

890
00:31:00,602 --> 00:31:01,637
which I've shown you they've

891
00:31:01,637 --> 00:31:03,505
done a beautiful job on that

892
00:31:03,505 --> 00:31:04,640
already, enhance the community

893
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,908
appearance and beautification,

894
00:31:05,908 --> 00:31:07,143
and the vision of the greater

895
00:31:07,143 --> 00:31:08,678
palm river area concept plan

896
00:31:08,678 --> 00:31:10,747
illustrates the unique qualities

897
00:31:10,747 --> 00:31:12,816
and land uses related to the

898
00:31:12,816 --> 00:31:13,349
distinct areas of the

899
00:31:13,349 --> 00:31:15,180
community.

900
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:18,180
See the future vision was

901
00:31:18,923 --> 00:31:19,923
clearly laid out which we feel

902
00:31:19,923 --> 00:31:21,158
that we meet.

903
00:31:21,158 --> 00:31:22,693
Waiver 2 locational criteria is

904
00:31:22,693 --> 00:31:24,428
based upon the elements I

905
00:31:24,428 --> 00:31:25,330
presented to you for improved

906
00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:26,497
compatibility and the overlay

907
00:31:26,497 --> 00:31:27,265
use of 78th and again success

908
00:31:27,265 --> 00:31:29,265
with the neighbor.

909
00:31:29,434 --> 00:31:31,102
What it really boils down to,

910
00:31:31,102 --> 00:31:33,505
commissioners, is that we feel

911
00:31:33,505 --> 00:31:34,740
that we've done a really good

912
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:35,808
job on compatibility and not

913
00:31:35,808 --> 00:31:37,900
speaking for the staffs.

914
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:39,178
They felt that perhaps we did

915
00:31:39,178 --> 00:31:39,779
not do as well with

916
00:31:39,779 --> 00:31:41,714
compatibility.

917
00:31:41,714 --> 00:31:44,417
But I would sum this up in that

918
00:31:44,417 --> 00:31:46,620
this started as a scwair peg in

919
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:47,870
a round -- square peg in a round

920
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:48,155
hole.

921
00:31:48,155 --> 00:31:50,124
We worked very hard to whittle

922
00:31:50,124 --> 00:31:51,225
that square peg into a really

923
00:31:51,225 --> 00:31:52,660
nice round circle that fits

924
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:55,660
really nicely in the area.

925
00:31:55,797 --> 00:31:58,797
And commissioners, we have cept

926
00:32:00,402 --> 00:32:04,200
out, we've sent out five notices

927
00:32:04,973 --> 00:32:06,675
plus the big yellow signs.

928
00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:07,409
We have had zero, zero comments

929
00:32:07,409 --> 00:32:10,112
from anyone in the public.

930
00:32:10,112 --> 00:32:12,810
A total of 325 notice letters

931
00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:12,982
we've sent, and not a single

932
00:32:12,982 --> 00:32:15,785
complaint in fact we've had

933
00:32:15,785 --> 00:32:17,420
support from the immediate

934
00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:20,958
owner: and in regard to the

935
00:32:20,958 --> 00:32:21,959
variations, even the zmh agrees

936
00:32:21,959 --> 00:32:23,127
with some of the variations or

937
00:32:23,127 --> 00:32:23,694
some of the criteria of the

938
00:32:23,694 --> 00:32:25,694
variations.

939
00:32:26,731 --> 00:32:28,800
So in summary, the conditions

940
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,200
were designed to make the site

941
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,204
compatible a a compatible as a

942
00:32:32,204 --> 00:32:33,171
residential component is

943
00:32:33,171 --> 00:32:35,571
included, along with the

944
00:32:35,574 --> 00:32:36,175
buffering I've shown you, the

945
00:32:36,175 --> 00:32:37,476
interior use.

946
00:32:37,476 --> 00:32:39,345
The low trip generator we had

947
00:32:39,345 --> 00:32:40,613
the test of time over a number

948
00:32:40,613 --> 00:32:42,515
of decades.

949
00:32:42,515 --> 00:32:44,170
The zoning changes have been

950
00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:45,218
occurring in the area as I've

951
00:32:45,218 --> 00:32:47,888
shown you, and we meet in our

952
00:32:47,888 --> 00:32:48,855
opinion we meet the greater palm

953
00:32:48,855 --> 00:32:50,570
river community plan.

954
00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:52,259
With that, I would like to have

955
00:32:52,259 --> 00:32:53,427
a few of the folks here to speak

956
00:32:53,427 --> 00:32:54,280
in favor if I MAY,

957
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,280
MR. CHAIRMAN.

958
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:57,465
Thank you.

959
00:32:57,465 --> 00:32:59,334
>> ken hagan: are these folks

960
00:32:59,334 --> 00:33:01,770
part of the application or are

961
00:33:01,770 --> 00:33:02,671
they just proponent testimony?

962
00:33:02,671 --> 00:33:03,638
>> they're either applicant or

963
00:33:03,638 --> 00:33:04,940
spoke or have letters in the

964
00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:05,874
file.

965
00:33:05,874 --> 00:33:07,900
>> ken hagan: okay, we can have

966
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:07,910
the applicant speak now and then

967
00:33:07,910 --> 00:33:09,945
afterward we'll go to proponent

968
00:33:09,945 --> 00:33:11,514
testimony.

969
00:33:11,514 --> 00:33:12,415
Good morning, sir.

970
00:33:12,415 --> 00:33:14,415
>> good morning, commissioners.

971
00:33:17,287 --> 00:33:18,922
My name is chris eubank, I'm the

972
00:33:18,922 --> 00:33:20,922
own fer

973
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,359
er of air 27

974
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:27,932
24/7.

975
00:33:27,932 --> 00:33:29,133
One of the owners.

976
00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:30,100
We have a lot of staff and

977
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:30,868
family part of the company and

978
00:33:30,868 --> 00:33:32,203
part of this location.

979
00:33:32,203 --> 00:33:33,639
We have been in business for

980
00:33:33,639 --> 00:33:34,940
five years in the tampa bay area

981
00:33:34,940 --> 00:33:36,775
serving many of customers for

982
00:33:36,775 --> 00:33:37,543
their heating and cooling

983
00:33:37,543 --> 00:33:39,445
needs.

984
00:33:39,445 --> 00:33:43,645
The property we have done a ton

985
00:33:43,916 --> 00:33:45,451
of work to the property to as

986
00:33:45,451 --> 00:33:46,886
MR. Pressman said to screen it

987
00:33:46,886 --> 00:33:49,689
and make it not look like any

988
00:33:49,689 --> 00:33:50,490
type of business activity

989
00:33:50,490 --> 00:33:52,490
happens there.

990
00:33:53,527 --> 00:33:54,270
We do use it only for a dispatch

991
00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:54,962
office.

992
00:33:54,962 --> 00:33:57,264
So basically what happens is our

993
00:33:57,264 --> 00:33:58,399
guys come in, basically get

994
00:33:58,399 --> 00:33:58,699
their stuff and take off out of

995
00:33:58,699 --> 00:34:00,668
there.

996
00:34:00,668 --> 00:34:02,837
We don't park any vehicles

997
00:34:02,837 --> 00:34:04,806
there, anything outside.

998
00:34:04,806 --> 00:34:07,806
I think the property looks

999
00:34:09,612 --> 00:34:10,679
fantastic as a whole: we are

1000
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:12,248
asking for your assistance to

1001
00:34:12,248 --> 00:34:14,216
try to make this a possibility

1002
00:34:14,216 --> 00:34:16,319
because it'll be detrimental to

1003
00:34:16,319 --> 00:34:20,256
us if we don't get this type of

1004
00:34:20,256 --> 00:34:21,224
approval for this property.

1005
00:34:21,224 --> 00:34:24,224
Any questions you'd like to

1006
00:34:25,262 --> 00:34:25,996
ask?

1007
00:34:25,996 --> 00:34:26,497
>> ken hagan: no.

1008
00:34:26,497 --> 00:34:27,365
>> thank you.

1009
00:34:27,365 --> 00:34:27,665
>> no questions means you did

1010
00:34:27,665 --> 00:34:28,999
good.

1011
00:34:28,999 --> 00:34:30,101
Thank you.

1012
00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:32,501
So MR. CHAIRMAN, commissioners,

1013
00:34:33,471 --> 00:34:35,807
again, these are, this is the

1014
00:34:35,807 --> 00:34:36,541
family, 24/7 air conditioning

1015
00:34:36,541 --> 00:34:38,210
and heating.

1016
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:40,579
They all came down here today.

1017
00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:41,580
I think probably it's a good

1018
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:43,580
alternative for residents

1019
00:34:43,683 --> 00:34:44,884
slogging through the 120-degree

1020
00:34:44,884 --> 00:34:45,852
heat in attics and outside.

1021
00:34:45,852 --> 00:34:47,620
These are the guys on the

1022
00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:49,455
frontlines every day making sure

1023
00:34:49,455 --> 00:34:50,723
that everybody's staying cool

1024
00:34:50,723 --> 00:34:51,524
and everybody's getting response

1025
00:34:51,524 --> 00:34:53,160
in the hot summer.

1026
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:53,760
So with that we appreciate your

1027
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,494
consideration.

1028
00:34:54,494 --> 00:34:56,494
Thank you.

1029
00:34:58,632 --> 00:34:59,166
>> ken hagan: thank you.

1030
00:34:59,166 --> 00:35:01,166
Proponent testimony?

1031
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:09,811
Anyone here in support of the

1032
00:35:09,811 --> 00:35:11,811
application?

1033
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,515
>> hi, I'm sarah ford.

1034
00:35:13,515 --> 00:35:16,152
I am one of the employees that

1035
00:35:16,152 --> 00:35:16,619
works in the office for air

1036
00:35:16,619 --> 00:35:18,619
24/7.

1037
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:19,389
And we're just here asking for

1038
00:35:19,389 --> 00:35:21,910
your help.

1039
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:24,691
We have lot of families that

1040
00:35:26,129 --> 00:35:27,531
depend on us on the company for

1041
00:35:27,531 --> 00:35:28,432
11, and we do take care of lot

1042
00:35:28,432 --> 00:35:30,432
of ocustomers.

1043
00:35:30,802 --> 00:35:33,802
We've never had any complaints

1044
00:35:36,508 --> 00:35:37,420
at the location we're at.

1045
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:37,709
Thank you.

1046
00:35:37,709 --> 00:35:40,109
>> ken hagan: thank you,

1047
00:35:42,848 --> 00:35:43,849
MS. Ford.

1048
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:44,750
>> hi, I'm rich.

1049
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:45,117
I actually lve on the

1050
00:35:45,117 --> 00:35:46,585
property.

1051
00:35:46,585 --> 00:35:48,387
i'm there 24 hours a day.

1052
00:35:48,387 --> 00:35:50,123
I live in the front house, and

1053
00:35:50,123 --> 00:35:51,724
like they've told you we've dup

1054
00:35:51,724 --> 00:35:53,590
done everything we can do to be

1055
00:35:53,590 --> 00:35:54,962
able to -- we have people who

1056
00:35:54,962 --> 00:35:56,797
actually come to apply for a job

1057
00:35:56,797 --> 00:35:57,970
and don't even know we're

1058
00:35:57,970 --> 00:35:58,132
there.

1059
00:35:58,132 --> 00:35:59,867
You can't see the building when

1060
00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:01,736
you drive down the road.

1061
00:36:01,736 --> 00:36:02,603
But we're again we're just here

1062
00:36:02,603 --> 00:36:03,871
asking for help to see if there

1063
00:36:03,871 --> 00:36:05,873
is any way that we can stay on

1064
00:36:05,873 --> 00:36:07,800
the property when they're saying

1065
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,376
detrimental, we're, I don't even

1066
00:36:08,376 --> 00:36:11,246
know how we could survive

1067
00:36:11,246 --> 00:36:12,580
because we only pay like $1200 a

1068
00:36:12,580 --> 00:36:14,650
month where we're at now to try

1069
00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:18,250
to get into something like that

1070
00:36:19,655 --> 00:36:21,557
is a million dollars a month.

1071
00:36:21,557 --> 00:36:22,659
With the economy it is, it's a

1072
00:36:22,659 --> 00:36:23,726
lot worse and we're asking for

1073
00:36:23,726 --> 00:36:24,528
help any way possible.

1074
00:36:24,528 --> 00:36:24,895
>> ken hagan: if you could state

1075
00:36:24,895 --> 00:36:26,895
your name.

1076
00:36:28,432 --> 00:36:29,199
>> don richard nevels.

1077
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:29,867
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir.

1078
00:36:29,867 --> 00:36:31,867
>> thank you.

1079
00:36:31,936 --> 00:36:32,369
>> I have one nervous nelly,

1080
00:36:32,369 --> 00:36:33,571
no?

1081
00:36:33,571 --> 00:36:34,380
Too nervous?

1082
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:36,380
Okay.

1083
00:36:36,975 --> 00:36:38,343
You are intimidating her, she's

1084
00:36:38,343 --> 00:36:38,609
too nervous so we will pass on

1085
00:36:38,609 --> 00:36:39,210
her.

1086
00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:39,877
Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN.

1087
00:36:39,877 --> 00:36:40,712
>> ken hagan: thank you.

1088
00:36:40,712 --> 00:36:41,120
Anyone in opposition to the

1089
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,915
item?

1090
00:36:42,915 --> 00:36:44,450
All right, planning commission?

1091
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:45,117
>> thank you, melissa lienhard,

1092
00:36:45,117 --> 00:36:46,518
planning commission staff.

1093
00:36:46,518 --> 00:36:48,530
The subject property is located

1094
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:49,588
within the residential 9 future

1095
00:36:49,588 --> 00:36:51,588
land use category.

1096
00:36:51,925 --> 00:36:53,426
It is in the urban service area

1097
00:36:53,426 --> 00:36:54,561
and also located within the

1098
00:36:54,561 --> 00:36:55,963
limits of the greater palm river

1099
00:36:55,963 --> 00:36:57,963
community plan.

1100
00:36:58,465 --> 00:36:59,432
Future land use element policy

1101
00:36:59,432 --> 00:37:00,467
1.4 requires that all new

1102
00:37:00,467 --> 00:37:02,867
developments be compatible with

1103
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:04,710
the surrounding area, noting

1104
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:06,700
that compatibility does not mean

1105
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:07,675
the same as, rather refers to

1106
00:37:07,675 --> 00:37:09,310
the sensitivity of development

1107
00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:10,945
proposals in maintaining the

1108
00:37:10,945 --> 00:37:11,513
character of existing

1109
00:37:11,513 --> 00:37:13,148
development.

1110
00:37:13,148 --> 00:37:14,449
The proposed development is not

1111
00:37:14,449 --> 00:37:16,318
compatible neither in scale with

1112
00:37:16,318 --> 00:37:17,519
the character of the area and

1113
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,922
therefore does not meet the

1114
00:37:19,922 --> 00:37:21,357
intent of this policy.

1115
00:37:21,357 --> 00:37:23,326
Future land use element

1116
00:37:23,326 --> 00:37:24,160
objective 16 and its

1117
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,295
accompanying policies refer to

1118
00:37:25,295 --> 00:37:27,970
the need to protect existing

1119
00:37:27,970 --> 00:37:29,497
neighborhoods and communities as

1120
00:37:29,766 --> 00:37:31,735
well as utilize gradual

1121
00:37:31,735 --> 00:37:32,837
transitions between uses.

1122
00:37:32,837 --> 00:37:34,238
To the north, east, and south is

1123
00:37:34,238 --> 00:37:36,700
the residential 9 future land

1124
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:38,543
use category, and to the west is

1125
00:37:38,543 --> 00:37:40,712
the suburban mixed use 6, and to

1126
00:37:40,712 --> 00:37:41,313
the northwest and southwest is

1127
00:37:41,313 --> 00:37:43,313
residential 6.

1128
00:37:43,882 --> 00:37:45,830
The area is comprised mostly of

1129
00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:46,952
single-family residential.

1130
00:37:46,952 --> 00:37:48,254
The proposed contractor's office

1131
00:37:48,254 --> 00:37:50,656
would increase intensity in the

1132
00:37:50,656 --> 00:37:52,291
area and is not consider

1133
00:37:52,291 --> 00:37:53,726
adgradual transmission and is

1134
00:37:53,726 --> 00:37:55,280
therefore inconsistent with this

1135
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,563
policy direction.

1136
00:37:56,563 --> 00:37:58,565
The property also does not meet

1137
00:37:58,565 --> 00:38:00,401
commercial locational criteria.

1138
00:38:00,401 --> 00:38:01,835
The closest qualifying

1139
00:38:01,835 --> 00:38:03,370
intersection is causeway

1140
00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:05,770
boulevard and 78th street,

1141
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,842
which is over 3,700 linear feet

1142
00:38:07,842 --> 00:38:09,277
away from the subject property.

1143
00:38:09,277 --> 00:38:12,277
The required distance for this

1144
00:38:13,748 --> 00:38:14,516
future land use category is

1145
00:38:14,516 --> 00:38:15,517
1,000 feet.

1146
00:38:15,517 --> 00:38:17,486
A waiver has been requested.

1147
00:38:17,486 --> 00:38:18,687
However the applicant has failed

1148
00:38:18,687 --> 00:38:20,322
to submit any supporting

1149
00:38:20,322 --> 00:38:21,223
evidence on yiewk unique

1150
00:38:21,223 --> 00:38:22,525
circumstances that would support

1151
00:38:22,525 --> 00:38:23,492
a waiver to locational criteria

1152
00:38:23,492 --> 00:38:24,794
at this location.

1153
00:38:24,794 --> 00:38:25,995
Planning commission staff finds

1154
00:38:25,995 --> 00:38:27,564
this proposed commercial general

1155
00:38:27,564 --> 00:38:29,199
use too intensive for the area,

1156
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:30,934
and the proposed mitigation is

1157
00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:32,135
not sufficient to mitigate the

1158
00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:33,137
potential impacts.

1159
00:38:33,137 --> 00:38:34,772
Therefore, planning commission

1160
00:38:34,772 --> 00:38:35,606
staff does not recommend

1161
00:38:35,606 --> 00:38:37,608
approval of the commercial

1162
00:38:37,608 --> 00:38:39,277
locational criteria waiver.

1163
00:38:39,277 --> 00:38:40,912
The greater palm river community

1164
00:38:40,912 --> 00:38:42,114
plan has a strong desire to

1165
00:38:42,114 --> 00:38:43,882
balance residential, commercial,

1166
00:38:43,882 --> 00:38:45,417
and other land uses.

1167
00:38:45,417 --> 00:38:47,520
The subject site is not located

1168
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,120
in an area identified for

1169
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,555
commercial uses.

1170
00:38:49,555 --> 00:38:50,890
The area is completely

1171
00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:51,957
surrounded by single-family

1172
00:38:51,957 --> 00:38:53,493
residential uses.

1173
00:38:53,493 --> 00:38:55,328
While the applicant proposes to

1174
00:38:55,328 --> 00:38:57,864
limit the business activity by

1175
00:38:57,864 --> 00:38:59,165
providing all operations indoors

1176
00:38:59,165 --> 00:39:00,333
and primarily function as a

1177
00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:01,835
dispatch office, this type of

1178
00:39:01,835 --> 00:39:04,104
use is too intensive to be

1179
00:39:04,104 --> 00:39:05,539
placed in a predominantly

1180
00:39:05,539 --> 00:39:06,407
residential area, especially one

1181
00:39:06,407 --> 00:39:07,641
not meeting commercial

1182
00:39:07,641 --> 00:39:09,476
locational criteria.

1183
00:39:09,476 --> 00:39:10,344
As such, the request is not

1184
00:39:10,344 --> 00:39:12,247
consistent with the vision of

1185
00:39:12,247 --> 00:39:13,782
the greater palm river community

1186
00:39:13,782 --> 00:39:14,516
plan, and based upon those

1187
00:39:14,516 --> 00:39:15,851
considerations, planning

1188
00:39:15,851 --> 00:39:17,919
commission staff finds the

1189
00:39:17,919 --> 00:39:19,455
proposed planned development

1190
00:39:19,455 --> 00:39:20,289
inconsistent with the

1191
00:39:20,289 --> 00:39:22,289
unincorporated hillsborough

1192
00:39:22,725 --> 00:39:24,600
county comprehensive plan.

1193
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,610
Thank you.

1194
00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:26,280
>> ken hagan: hearsing master?

1195
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,664
>> the hearing master considered

1196
00:39:27,664 --> 00:39:30,640
the applicant's request for

1197
00:39:31,334 --> 00:39:32,335
rezoning of the property to

1198
00:39:32,335 --> 00:39:33,537
planned development to allow the

1199
00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:35,839
existing single-family home and

1200
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:37,341
to allow use of the existing

1201
00:39:37,341 --> 00:39:39,210
5,000 square foot building as a

1202
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,546
contractor's office with an

1203
00:39:41,546 --> 00:39:43,546
enclosed storage area.

1204
00:39:43,848 --> 00:39:45,490
The applicant is requesting a pd

1205
00:39:45,490 --> 00:39:47,449
variation to the land

1206
00:39:47,452 --> 00:39:49,421
development code to reduce the

1207
00:39:49,421 --> 00:39:51,390
required 20-foot wide buffer

1208
00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:53,459
with type b screening along the

1209
00:39:53,459 --> 00:39:55,127
subject property's north

1210
00:39:55,127 --> 00:39:56,862
boundary to 10-foot wide buffer

1211
00:39:56,862 --> 00:39:58,632
with type a screening.

1212
00:39:58,632 --> 00:40:01,632
The applicant is also requesting

1213
00:40:03,437 --> 00:40:04,538
a pd variation to reduce the

1214
00:40:04,538 --> 00:40:06,938
required 20-foot buffer with

1215
00:40:07,241 --> 00:40:09,210
type b screening along the

1216
00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:11,210
subject property's south

1217
00:40:11,312 --> 00:40:13,470
boundary two and three-foot wide

1218
00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:15,490
buffer with type a screening.

1219
00:40:15,490 --> 00:40:15,950
The zhm also noted that the

1220
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:17,986
applicant is requesting a

1221
00:40:17,986 --> 00:40:20,386
reduction of parking spaces

1222
00:40:20,822 --> 00:40:22,391
required from 30 parking spaces

1223
00:40:22,391 --> 00:40:25,991
to 20 total of which one would

1224
00:40:26,929 --> 00:40:29,329
be a handicap space.

1225
00:40:30,133 --> 00:40:32,100
While the swreerk did not object

1226
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,100
to these requests for variations

1227
00:40:36,473 --> 00:40:38,242
and waivers, the zoning hearing

1228
00:40:38,242 --> 00:40:39,543
master did explain the

1229
00:40:39,543 --> 00:40:41,543
nonsupport recommendations filed

1230
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:45,460
by planning commission staff and

1231
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:48,687
the development services staff.

1232
00:40:48,687 --> 00:40:49,955
Ultimately the zoning hearing

1233
00:40:49,955 --> 00:40:52,955
master's request was for denial

1234
00:40:53,425 --> 00:40:54,193
of the application.

1235
00:40:54,193 --> 00:40:54,460
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

1236
00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:55,628
you.

1237
00:40:55,628 --> 00:40:57,628
Commissioner myers?

1238
00:40:58,164 --> 00:40:58,698
>> gwen myers: thank you,

1239
00:40:58,698 --> 00:41:00,698
MR. Chair.

1240
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,403
First let me thank the employees

1241
00:41:03,403 --> 00:41:05,138
for coming down because it is

1242
00:41:05,138 --> 00:41:08,738
extremely hot right now, and I

1243
00:41:08,876 --> 00:41:12,146
know you all could be servicing

1244
00:41:12,146 --> 00:41:12,580
our residents with their ac unit

1245
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:13,481
now.

1246
00:41:13,481 --> 00:41:14,816
One of the things I would like

1247
00:41:14,816 --> 00:41:17,419
for us to make an exception to

1248
00:41:17,419 --> 00:41:18,420
the rule when it comes to our

1249
00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:19,287
small business, small

1250
00:41:19,287 --> 00:41:21,287
businesses.

1251
00:41:23,325 --> 00:41:25,561
i know our plans really don't

1252
00:41:25,561 --> 00:41:27,263
address small businesses, and I

1253
00:41:27,263 --> 00:41:30,863
know we have three denials but

1254
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:33,603
I'm going to make the motion for

1255
00:41:33,603 --> 00:41:34,370
approval.

1256
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:34,938
>> second.

1257
00:41:34,938 --> 00:41:35,305
>> gwen myers: I'll stop there.

1258
00:41:35,305 --> 00:41:36,339
[Laughter]

1259
00:41:36,339 --> 00:41:37,240
Got a motion to approve,

1260
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,240
commissioners myers,

1261
00:41:39,309 --> 00:41:41,709
commissioner kemp and wostal.

1262
00:41:43,481 --> 00:41:44,282
Commissioner cameron cepeda.

1263
00:41:44,282 --> 00:41:44,782
>> donna cameron cepeda: I just

1264
00:41:44,782 --> 00:41:46,284
seconded that one.

1265
00:41:46,284 --> 00:41:48,284
I'm in agreement.

1266
00:41:49,587 --> 00:41:50,789
Definitely in favor with the

1267
00:41:50,789 --> 00:41:52,424
applicant, and j us

1268
00:41:52,424 --> 00:41:53,525
are just

1269
00:41:53,525 --> 00:41:54,193
second that one.

1270
00:41:54,193 --> 00:41:54,727
>> ken hagan: thank you.

1271
00:41:54,727 --> 00:41:56,727
Commissioner kemp.

1272
00:41:59,198 --> 00:42:00,967
>> pat kemp: yes, I also fine

1273
00:42:00,967 --> 00:42:02,936
this to be -- honestly it's more

1274
00:42:02,936 --> 00:42:05,500
what I would like to see is the

1275
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:07,500
mixed use.

1276
00:42:07,307 --> 00:42:10,244
It's a long, narrow lot.

1277
00:42:10,244 --> 00:42:11,378
The back of it would not be

1278
00:42:11,378 --> 00:42:13,147
being used for anything.

1279
00:42:13,147 --> 00:42:16,184
So it's not the best use of it,

1280
00:42:16,184 --> 00:42:16,718
but that it kind of grew organ

1281
00:42:16,718 --> 00:42:18,453
clee

1282
00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:19,254
organically here and I

1283
00:42:19,254 --> 00:42:21,657
just -- I had a question.

1284
00:42:21,657 --> 00:42:23,392
So right now I know the business

1285
00:42:23,392 --> 00:42:25,392
exists right now.

1286
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:28,460
Is there 30 spaces now and

1287
00:42:29,665 --> 00:42:31,300
they're reducing to 20?

1288
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:33,700
Can anyone answer that?

1289
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:37,970
I thought I just heard that.

1290
00:42:53,325 --> 00:42:54,250
Was I --

1291
00:42:54,250 --> 00:42:54,793
>> commissioner.

1292
00:42:54,793 --> 00:42:55,930
>> pat kemp: maybe I heard it

1293
00:42:55,930 --> 00:42:57,930
wrong.

1294
00:42:57,796 --> 00:42:58,564
>> I'm sorry?

1295
00:42:58,564 --> 00:42:59,310
>> pat kemp: maybe I heard it

1296
00:42:59,310 --> 00:42:59,798
wrong.

1297
00:42:59,798 --> 00:43:00,433
>> we are asking for reduction

1298
00:43:00,433 --> 00:43:02,433
for parking.

1299
00:43:02,735 --> 00:43:05,104
Currently there is no delineated

1300
00:43:05,104 --> 00:43:06,773
spaces in the rear where 20

1301
00:43:06,773 --> 00:43:07,374
spaces will be added.

1302
00:43:07,374 --> 00:43:08,608
>> pat kemp: I see.

1303
00:43:08,608 --> 00:43:10,760
So you were -- you wanted to

1304
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,712
have 30 spaces but you're

1305
00:43:11,712 --> 00:43:13,130
willing to reduce it to 20.

1306
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:15,616
>> 20 in the back and 4 in the

1307
00:43:15,616 --> 00:43:16,484
front so it's 24, chris, total,

1308
00:43:16,484 --> 00:43:18,484
provided?

1309
00:43:23,758 --> 00:43:25,758
Total provided.

1310
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:28,731
Yeah, 24 will be installed, yes,

1311
00:43:28,731 --> 00:43:29,465
ma'am,.

1312
00:43:29,465 --> 00:43:30,966
>> pat kemp: okay and I know

1313
00:43:30,966 --> 00:43:34,300
there is -- and I respect the

1314
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:36,973
concern -- this isn't to do --

1315
00:43:36,973 --> 00:43:38,508
the analysis and appreciate the

1316
00:43:38,508 --> 00:43:41,508
analysis by staff and the

1317
00:43:42,779 --> 00:43:44,810
planning commission staff, and

1318
00:43:44,810 --> 00:43:47,810
the zoning hearing master in

1319
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:51,656
looking at this but I've long

1320
00:43:51,656 --> 00:43:54,259
wondered and I know that staff

1321
00:43:54,259 --> 00:43:56,995
knows this about the commercial

1322
00:43:56,995 --> 00:43:57,763
criteria location and those

1323
00:43:57,763 --> 00:43:59,763
limits.

1324
00:44:00,165 --> 00:44:03,765
This does, you know, strike me

1325
00:44:05,104 --> 00:44:08,808
as an office with the, with an

1326
00:44:08,808 --> 00:44:10,243
intensity, and I know it we

1327
00:44:10,243 --> 00:44:12,243
talked about intensity.

1328
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:17,351
But at that site on madison road

1329
00:44:17,351 --> 00:44:18,319
I believe is an we're I

1330
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:20,319
this

1331
00:44:27,295 --> 00:44:27,863
just really strikes me as

1332
00:44:27,863 --> 00:44:29,863
appropriate.

1333
00:44:30,165 --> 00:44:30,632
So with that, I'm going to

1334
00:44:30,632 --> 00:44:31,300
approve.

1335
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:31,834
>> ken hagan: thank you.

1336
00:44:31,834 --> 00:44:32,735
Commissioner wostal.

1337
00:44:32,735 --> 00:44:33,602
>> joshua wostal: I just wanted

1338
00:44:33,602 --> 00:44:34,971
to say when I got this briefing

1339
00:44:34,971 --> 00:44:36,720
I responded to MR. Gormly saying

1340
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:37,440
oh, this is my dad, right?

1341
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,241
This is exactly how my dad

1342
00:44:38,241 --> 00:44:39,142
works, and I appreciate

1343
00:44:39,142 --> 00:44:41,411
commissioner myers' support for

1344
00:44:41,411 --> 00:44:42,790
small businesses.

1345
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:43,714
>> ken hagan: all right,

1346
00:44:43,714 --> 00:44:45,682
commissioner owen?

1347
00:44:45,682 --> 00:44:46,250
>> michael owen: thank you,

1348
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:47,652
MR. CHAIRMAN.

1349
00:44:47,652 --> 00:44:49,530
And MS. Leinhard just to get

1350
00:44:49,530 --> 00:44:51,355
some perspective, the increase

1351
00:44:51,355 --> 00:44:52,924
in intensity is basically what's

1352
00:44:52,924 --> 00:44:54,325
already there, because it looks

1353
00:44:54,325 --> 00:44:56,862
like what we have here, and this

1354
00:44:56,862 --> 00:44:58,797
is partly for MR. Gormly too,

1355
00:44:58,797 --> 00:44:59,931
the structure was already

1356
00:44:59,931 --> 00:45:02,301
converted I guess in violation

1357
00:45:02,301 --> 00:45:03,236
of code, correct?

1358
00:45:03,236 --> 00:45:04,837
>> correct, understand the

1359
00:45:04,837 --> 00:45:07,837
structure has been converted in

1360
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:10,844
use already, yes, sir.

1361
00:45:10,844 --> 00:45:12,445
>> michael owen: so that

1362
00:45:12,445 --> 00:45:13,580
increase in intensity I how the

1363
00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:14,448
property is already being used s

1364
00:45:14,448 --> 00:45:15,449
that safe to say.

1365
00:45:15,449 --> 00:45:16,183
>> yes, the way we evaluate

1366
00:45:16,183 --> 00:45:17,952
property is based on the

1367
00:45:17,952 --> 00:45:20,210
existing zoning, not based on

1368
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:22,421
the existing use necessarily.

1369
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:24,425
So the rezoning itself to match

1370
00:45:24,425 --> 00:45:25,694
what is already there is what's

1371
00:45:25,694 --> 00:45:26,428
being evaluated.

1372
00:45:26,428 --> 00:45:26,728
>> michael owen: understand,

1373
00:45:26,728 --> 00:45:28,330
yeah.

1374
00:45:28,330 --> 00:45:29,632
So we have a converted

1375
00:45:29,632 --> 00:45:31,632
structure, doesn't meet

1376
00:45:33,602 --> 00:45:34,270
locational criteria, and the

1377
00:45:34,270 --> 00:45:35,171
buffering because you're

1378
00:45:35,171 --> 00:45:36,205
supposed to have 20 feet on this

1379
00:45:36,205 --> 00:45:38,205
particular property, right?

1380
00:45:38,641 --> 00:45:40,430
So we'll be making an exception

1381
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:42,430
there?

1382
00:45:42,145 --> 00:45:44,314
>> yes, the requirement is a

1383
00:45:44,314 --> 00:45:45,115
20-foot buffer on both the north

1384
00:45:45,115 --> 00:45:46,830
and the south and they have

1385
00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:47,384
asked for variance

1386
00:45:47,384 --> 00:45:48,319
requestiations to those.

1387
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:48,919
>> michael owen: -- variations

1388
00:45:48,919 --> 00:45:50,454
to those.

1389
00:45:50,454 --> 00:45:53,454
>> michael owen: okay and I

1390
00:45:54,726 --> 00:45:55,927
weigh the zhm, planning

1391
00:45:55,927 --> 00:45:56,628
commission carefully.

1392
00:45:56,628 --> 00:45:58,628
I get concerned.

1393
00:46:00,198 --> 00:46:02,167
The one thing I weigh heavily is

1394
00:46:02,167 --> 00:46:02,634
the district commissioner, she

1395
00:46:02,634 --> 00:46:04,634
made the motion.

1396
00:46:04,703 --> 00:46:05,805
I do think we need to be cog

1397
00:46:05,805 --> 00:46:07,306
smiiant as a board on these type

1398
00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:09,376
of properties whenever someone

1399
00:46:09,376 --> 00:46:10,276
say jumps the gun and converts a

1400
00:46:10,276 --> 00:46:10,710
structure without following the

1401
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:11,644
rules.

1402
00:46:11,644 --> 00:46:14,800
But I certainly don't want to

1403
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:14,614
get in the way of small

1404
00:46:14,614 --> 00:46:15,315
business.

1405
00:46:15,315 --> 00:46:17,484
These folks -- there is no

1406
00:46:17,484 --> 00:46:18,152
opposition as well, so I will be

1407
00:46:18,152 --> 00:46:18,419
supporting the motion, thank

1408
00:46:18,419 --> 00:46:19,860
you.

1409
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:20,120
>> ken hagan: all right.

1410
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,825
We have a motion and a second.

1411
00:46:23,825 --> 00:46:26,225
Please record your vote.

1412
00:46:26,261 --> 00:46:28,261
>> motion carried 7-0.

1413
00:46:30,432 --> 00:46:31,333
>> ken hagan: thank you.

1414
00:46:31,333 --> 00:46:32,134
>> ken hagan: next item.

1415
00:46:32,134 --> 00:46:34,534
>> commissioners, the next item

1416
00:46:34,904 --> 00:46:36,872
is agenda item f 2 rezoning pd

1417
00:46:36,872 --> 00:46:38,872
22-1688.

1418
00:46:38,941 --> 00:46:39,942
The request is for a

1419
00:46:39,942 --> 00:46:40,410
modification to existing

1420
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:41,644
zoning.

1421
00:46:41,644 --> 00:46:44,647
The property is located on the

1422
00:46:44,647 --> 00:46:45,715
east side of 23rd street

1423
00:46:45,715 --> 00:46:47,584
southeast north of college

1424
00:46:47,584 --> 00:46:50,584
avenue in the ruskin area.

1425
00:46:50,854 --> 00:46:53,490
The parcel is 2.62 acres, and

1426
00:46:53,490 --> 00:46:55,360
the request is to rezone from as

1427
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,461
1 to a planned development to

1428
00:46:56,461 --> 00:46:57,562
accommodate professional

1429
00:46:57,562 --> 00:46:59,562
services and health

1430
00:46:59,764 --> 00:47:01,399
practitioner's office of 28,531

1431
00:47:01,399 --> 00:47:03,399
square feet.

1432
00:47:03,468 --> 00:47:04,436
Staff is recommending approval.

1433
00:47:04,436 --> 00:47:05,537
Planning commission found it

1434
00:47:05,537 --> 00:47:06,539
consistent and the hearing

1435
00:47:06,539 --> 00:47:07,406
officer is also recommending

1436
00:47:07,406 --> 00:47:07,873
approval and we're available for

1437
00:47:07,873 --> 00:47:08,240
any questions.

1438
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:08,908
Thank you.

1439
00:47:08,908 --> 00:47:11,308
>> ken hagan: all right.

1440
00:47:24,458 --> 00:47:25,593
Is the applicant here?

1441
00:47:25,593 --> 00:47:27,428
>> thank you, commissioners.

1442
00:47:27,428 --> 00:47:29,597
Todd pressman, 200 second avenue

1443
00:47:29,597 --> 00:47:30,198
south number 451

1444
00:47:30,198 --> 00:47:32,198
st. Petersburg.

1445
00:47:33,335 --> 00:47:35,335
This is 22-1688.

1446
00:47:36,806 --> 00:47:39,800
Located in the ruskin area.

1447
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,408
Right along college avenue.

1448
00:47:42,712 --> 00:47:45,381
Or close to college avenue on

1449
00:47:45,381 --> 00:47:47,170
24th street southeast

1450
00:47:47,170 --> 00:47:47,517
composessed of at least

1451
00:47:47,517 --> 00:47:49,517
parcels.

1452
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,691
Issue is as-1 pd for 2.62 acres

1453
00:47:53,691 --> 00:47:55,459
more or less for health

1454
00:47:55,459 --> 00:47:57,459
practitioners offices.

1455
00:47:58,830 --> 00:47:59,397
Planning commission is

1456
00:47:59,397 --> 00:48:00,265
consistent.

1457
00:48:00,265 --> 00:48:01,320
Surrounding uses to the north

1458
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,320
are tiny homes.

1459
00:48:03,335 --> 00:48:05,300
There's a metro ready mix

1460
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:06,839
concrete plant on one side and a

1461
00:48:06,839 --> 00:48:07,973
mini grocery store a little bit

1462
00:48:07,973 --> 00:48:09,942
to the further south.

1463
00:48:09,942 --> 00:48:11,344
Future land use category is

1464
00:48:11,344 --> 00:48:12,478
smu-6 which provides for

1465
00:48:12,478 --> 00:48:14,478
suburban commercial offices,

1466
00:48:14,981 --> 00:48:15,515
research parks, light

1467
00:48:15,515 --> 00:48:17,830
industrial.

1468
00:48:17,830 --> 00:48:19,453
As you can see we have support

1469
00:48:19,453 --> 00:48:20,554
from all three of your

1470
00:48:20,554 --> 00:48:22,123
recommendations, so I'm going to

1471
00:48:22,123 --> 00:48:22,823
do a little bit more of a brief

1472
00:48:22,823 --> 00:48:25,223
presentation on this one.

1473
00:48:25,626 --> 00:48:27,280
The pd plan is for professional

1474
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,428
services and health practitioner

1475
00:48:30,532 --> 00:48:31,660
services with five footprint

1476
00:48:31,660 --> 00:48:33,660
buildings.

1477
00:48:34,350 --> 00:48:37,350
This is a pd plan.

1478
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:40,407
Along 24th is 12,540 vehicles

1479
00:48:41,611 --> 00:48:42,212
per day, operates at a level of

1480
00:48:42,212 --> 00:48:43,246
service c.

1481
00:48:43,246 --> 00:48:44,147
We have good buffering and

1482
00:48:44,147 --> 00:48:45,114
screening on the north and you

1483
00:48:45,114 --> 00:48:47,951
can see the natural screening

1484
00:48:47,951 --> 00:48:49,951
between the uses.

1485
00:48:49,953 --> 00:48:52,322
And the site abuts on the right

1486
00:48:52,322 --> 00:48:53,524
as what you see here.

1487
00:48:53,524 --> 00:48:56,494
Abutting to the rear and the

1488
00:48:56,494 --> 00:48:58,463
owner to the west is the cement

1489
00:48:58,463 --> 00:48:58,963
plant as I've shown you on the

1490
00:48:58,963 --> 00:48:59,997
aerial.

1491
00:48:59,997 --> 00:49:02,300
Development services note which

1492
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,269
I think is important that the

1493
00:49:04,269 --> 00:49:06,269
proposed.24 far is

1494
00:49:07,173 --> 00:49:09,173
significantly under the.35

1495
00:49:09,608 --> 00:49:11,277
maximum far.

1496
00:49:11,277 --> 00:49:12,578
And notes the proposed uses are

1497
00:49:12,578 --> 00:49:14,747
less intense than the allowed

1498
00:49:14,747 --> 00:49:15,515
uses in the adjacent concrete

1499
00:49:15,515 --> 00:49:17,515
distribution plant.

1500
00:49:17,817 --> 00:49:18,385
Planning commission notes it's

1501
00:49:18,385 --> 00:49:19,353
compatible.

1502
00:49:19,353 --> 00:49:21,121
Proposed rezoning meets the

1503
00:49:21,121 --> 00:49:22,990
intent of the objectives.

1504
00:49:22,990 --> 00:49:24,292
It's a nice gradual transition

1505
00:49:24,292 --> 00:49:25,926
and consistent with the ruskin

1506
00:49:25,926 --> 00:49:27,795
community plan.

1507
00:49:27,795 --> 00:49:28,896
So with that we appreciate your

1508
00:49:28,896 --> 00:49:30,298
attention and consideration.

1509
00:49:30,298 --> 00:49:32,166
Thank you.

1510
00:49:32,166 --> 00:49:32,267
>> ken hagan: thank you.

1511
00:49:32,267 --> 00:49:33,502
-

1512
00:49:33,502 --> 00:49:35,103
anyone here in support of the

1513
00:49:35,103 --> 00:49:37,103
item?

1514
00:49:38,807 --> 00:49:40,420
Anyone in opposition?

1515
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:40,709
Planning commission?

1516
00:49:40,709 --> 00:49:42,110
>> thank you.

1517
00:49:42,110 --> 00:49:42,978
For the record, melissa

1518
00:49:42,978 --> 00:49:43,412
lienhard, planning commission

1519
00:49:43,412 --> 00:49:45,470
staff.

1520
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:46,749
The subject property is located

1521
00:49:46,749 --> 00:49:47,684
in the suburban mixed use 6

1522
00:49:47,684 --> 00:49:50,840
future land use category.

1523
00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:51,855
The site is located within the

1524
00:49:51,855 --> 00:49:52,923
urban service area and it is

1525
00:49:52,923 --> 00:49:55,126
also within the limits of the

1526
00:49:55,126 --> 00:49:56,260
ruskin community plan and the

1527
00:49:56,260 --> 00:49:56,894
southshore area-wide systems

1528
00:49:56,894 --> 00:49:58,894
plan.

1529
00:49:59,330 --> 00:50:00,431
The intent of the smu-6 future

1530
00:50:00,431 --> 00:50:02,800
land use category is to allow

1531
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,200
for uses that are urban and

1532
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:04,469
suburban in intensity and

1533
00:50:04,469 --> 00:50:06,204
density.

1534
00:50:06,204 --> 00:50:07,272
The applicant is requesting

1535
00:50:07,272 --> 00:50:09,272
28,000 square feet of

1536
00:50:09,475 --> 00:50:10,575
professional services and health

1537
00:50:10,575 --> 00:50:12,545
practitioner services.

1538
00:50:12,545 --> 00:50:15,545
Office uses and smu-6 are

1539
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:17,350
limited to a.35 far and are

1540
00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:20,530
also not subject to commercial

1541
00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:22,530
locational criteria.

1542
00:50:22,155 --> 00:50:24,725
With 2.62 acres, the site can be

1543
00:50:24,725 --> 00:50:26,760
considered for up to 39,944

1544
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,263
square feet of office uses.

1545
00:50:29,263 --> 00:50:31,663
The proposed 28,000 square feet

1546
00:50:31,833 --> 00:50:33,434
which calculates to a.24 far is

1547
00:50:33,434 --> 00:50:35,270
below the maximum that can be

1548
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:36,738
considered in this category for

1549
00:50:36,738 --> 00:50:38,390
an area of this size.

1550
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:39,708
Therefore, the request is

1551
00:50:39,708 --> 00:50:41,343
consistent with the type of

1552
00:50:41,343 --> 00:50:43,312
development planned for and

1553
00:50:43,312 --> 00:50:44,380
expected in the smu-6 future

1554
00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:46,249
land use category.

1555
00:50:46,249 --> 00:50:47,650
The proposed change, the

1556
00:50:47,650 --> 00:50:48,985
proposed change for office uses

1557
00:50:48,985 --> 00:50:51,387
is compatible with the existing

1558
00:50:51,387 --> 00:50:53,557
character of development in the

1559
00:50:53,557 --> 00:50:54,558
areas the current development

1560
00:50:54,558 --> 00:50:55,325
area contains other

1561
00:50:55,325 --> 00:50:57,725
nonresidential uses directly to

1562
00:50:59,597 --> 00:51:00,131
the east of the subject

1563
00:51:00,131 --> 00:51:01,165
property.

1564
00:51:01,165 --> 00:51:02,133
In addition the applicant is

1565
00:51:02,133 --> 00:51:02,933
meeting all buffering and

1566
00:51:02,933 --> 00:51:04,636
screening requirements which

1567
00:51:04,636 --> 00:51:05,970
will help mitigate the proposed

1568
00:51:05,970 --> 00:51:07,380
use from the existing mobile

1569
00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:09,107
home park to the north.

1570
00:51:09,107 --> 00:51:10,108
Rather than one large 28,000

1571
00:51:10,108 --> 00:51:12,770
square foot building the

1572
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:13,612
applicant is proposing to break

1573
00:51:13,612 --> 00:51:14,914
up the square footinage to five

1574
00:51:14,914 --> 00:51:16,115
smaller buildings and each

1575
00:51:16,115 --> 00:51:17,160
building is limited to no more

1576
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,184
than 20 feet in height.

1577
00:51:18,184 --> 00:51:19,180
This effort will help to keep

1578
00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:19,752
the proposed development in

1579
00:51:19,752 --> 00:51:20,520
scale with the surrounding

1580
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,520
development consistent with

1581
00:51:23,790 --> 00:51:26,193
future land use element policy

1582
00:51:26,193 --> 00:51:27,628
1.4 relative to compatibility.

1583
00:51:27,628 --> 00:51:29,290
The proposed rezoning meets the

1584
00:51:29,290 --> 00:51:30,798
intent of the neighborhood

1585
00:51:30,798 --> 00:51:32,967
protection policies that modify

1586
00:51:32,967 --> 00:51:33,567
future land use element

1587
00:51:33,567 --> 00:51:35,269
objective 16.

1588
00:51:35,269 --> 00:51:36,371
The apapplicant is proposing a

1589
00:51:36,371 --> 00:51:37,973
20-foot buffer along the

1590
00:51:37,973 --> 00:51:38,974
northern boundary adjacent to

1591
00:51:38,974 --> 00:51:41,374
residential, which is consistent

1592
00:51:41,711 --> 00:51:42,277
with future land use element

1593
00:51:42,277 --> 00:51:44,277
policy 16.1.

1594
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,820
The applicant is also proposing

1595
00:51:46,820 --> 00:51:47,316
complementary office uses with

1596
00:51:47,316 --> 00:51:49,180
transportation and pedestrian

1597
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:51,555
connections to the south and

1598
00:51:51,555 --> 00:51:52,122
north, which is consistent with

1599
00:51:52,122 --> 00:51:54,900
policy 16.3.

1600
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:54,958
The site is located external to

1601
00:51:54,958 --> 00:51:55,926
established and developing

1602
00:51:55,926 --> 00:51:57,926
neighborhoods which is

1603
00:51:58,795 --> 00:51:59,763
consistent with policy 16.5.

1604
00:51:59,763 --> 00:52:01,198
The proposed planned development

1605
00:52:01,198 --> 00:52:02,733
is also consistent with the

1606
00:52:02,733 --> 00:52:04,368
ruskin community plan which

1607
00:52:04,368 --> 00:52:05,804
seeks to provide opportunities

1608
00:52:05,804 --> 00:52:07,739
for business growth and jobs in

1609
00:52:07,739 --> 00:52:09,739
the ruskin community.

1610
00:52:11,143 --> 00:52:11,977
Specifically the community plan

1611
00:52:11,977 --> 00:52:13,412
envisions having appropriate

1612
00:52:13,412 --> 00:52:14,412
land uses zoned for office and

1613
00:52:14,412 --> 00:52:16,820
light industrial development.

1614
00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:17,483
The proposed office uses are

1615
00:52:17,483 --> 00:52:19,218
consistent with this vision.

1616
00:52:19,218 --> 00:52:20,520
Based upon these considerations,

1617
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,755
planning commission staff finds

1618
00:52:22,755 --> 00:52:24,157
the proposed planned development

1619
00:52:24,157 --> 00:52:24,992
consistent with the

1620
00:52:24,992 --> 00:52:26,159
unincorporated hillsborough

1621
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:27,227
county comprehensive plan

1622
00:52:27,227 --> 00:52:27,994
subject to the conditions

1623
00:52:27,994 --> 00:52:28,662
proposed by development

1624
00:52:28,662 --> 00:52:30,640
services.

1625
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,640
Thank you.

1626
00:52:32,366 --> 00:52:33,267
>> ken hagan: hearing master?

1627
00:52:33,267 --> 00:52:34,768
>> the zoning hearing master

1628
00:52:34,768 --> 00:52:36,838
considered the proposed rezoning

1629
00:52:36,838 --> 00:52:39,838
of the subject property which

1630
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,800
consists of approximately

1631
00:52:42,544 --> 00:52:44,179
2.62 acres and is designated

1632
00:52:44,179 --> 00:52:48,379
smu-6 on the future land use map

1633
00:52:49,886 --> 00:52:51,721
currently zoned as-1.

1634
00:52:51,721 --> 00:52:52,989
The general area surrounding the

1635
00:52:52,989 --> 00:52:54,590
subject property consists of a

1636
00:52:54,590 --> 00:52:56,990
mix of residential, commercial,

1637
00:52:57,727 --> 00:52:59,727
and manufacturing uses.

1638
00:52:59,730 --> 00:53:01,832
Adjacent properties include a

1639
00:53:01,832 --> 00:53:02,933
parcel zoned pd, zc and

1640
00:53:02,933 --> 00:53:04,768
developed as a tiny home

1641
00:53:04,768 --> 00:53:06,438
community to the north.

1642
00:53:06,438 --> 00:53:08,940
Property zoned m and developed

1643
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:11,900
as a cement manufacturing plant

1644
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:13,512
to the east and southeast.

1645
00:53:13,512 --> 00:53:14,780
And undeveloped parcels zoned

1646
00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:16,382
as-1 owned by the cement company

1647
00:53:16,382 --> 00:53:18,217
to the south and two parcels

1648
00:53:18,217 --> 00:53:20,519
zoned cg and developed as a

1649
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:22,722
neighborhood grocery store and

1650
00:53:22,722 --> 00:53:25,122
barber shop further south.

1651
00:53:25,124 --> 00:53:26,660
as well as property zoned ar and

1652
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:29,600
developed residential uses to

1653
00:53:30,464 --> 00:53:30,931
the west across southeast 24th

1654
00:53:30,931 --> 00:53:32,133
street.

1655
00:53:32,133 --> 00:53:34,435
Again, the applicant's request

1656
00:53:34,435 --> 00:53:37,710
is for rezoning of the property

1657
00:53:37,710 --> 00:53:39,410
to pd which would allow for

1658
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:40,975
28,000 square feet of

1659
00:53:40,975 --> 00:53:43,375
professional service and health

1660
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:46,450
practitioner's offices.

1661
00:53:46,815 --> 00:53:48,217
Development services department

1662
00:53:48,217 --> 00:53:49,252
staff found the proposed pd

1663
00:53:49,252 --> 00:53:50,620
rezoning to be compatible with

1664
00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:52,588
the surrounding properties and

1665
00:53:52,588 --> 00:53:55,910
in keeping with the general

1666
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:57,761
development pattern of the area

1667
00:53:57,761 --> 00:53:58,762
and approvable subject to the

1668
00:53:58,762 --> 00:54:01,162
conditions proposed as you've

1669
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,100
heard planning commission staff

1670
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:04,935
has also found the proposed

1671
00:54:04,935 --> 00:54:07,335
rezoning would allow development

1672
00:54:08,573 --> 00:54:10,107
that is compatible with the

1673
00:54:10,107 --> 00:54:11,743
surrounding development pattern

1674
00:54:11,743 --> 00:54:13,846
and with the comprehensive

1675
00:54:13,846 --> 00:54:14,613
plan.

1676
00:54:14,613 --> 00:54:16,449
The zoning hearing master

1677
00:54:16,449 --> 00:54:18,449
therefore recommended approval.

1678
00:54:19,418 --> 00:54:19,852
>> ken hagan: commissioner

1679
00:54:19,852 --> 00:54:20,252
owen?

1680
00:54:20,252 --> 00:54:21,520
>> thank

1681
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:21,954
>> michael owen: thank you,

1682
00:54:21,954 --> 00:54:22,922
MR. CHAIRMAN.

1683
00:54:22,922 --> 00:54:25,191
Yes, this is my district, and

1684
00:54:25,191 --> 00:54:27,494
I'm glad to see this project,

1685
00:54:27,494 --> 00:54:28,695
this is as south county

1686
00:54:28,695 --> 00:54:30,431
continues to grow we need more

1687
00:54:30,431 --> 00:54:30,897
health professionals in that

1688
00:54:30,897 --> 00:54:32,533
area.

1689
00:54:32,533 --> 00:54:35,350
My constituent that reached out,

1690
00:54:35,350 --> 00:54:39,207
MR. Gormly, there was an issue I

1691
00:54:39,207 --> 00:54:40,542
think on a drainage concern

1692
00:54:40,542 --> 00:54:41,643
that, but we've assured that

1693
00:54:41,643 --> 00:54:43,612
individual, right, that that's

1694
00:54:43,612 --> 00:54:45,460
something that we have to remedy

1695
00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:45,514
before we even get off the

1696
00:54:45,514 --> 00:54:47,514
ground.

1697
00:54:48,550 --> 00:54:49,318
So that has been, yeah.

1698
00:54:49,318 --> 00:54:50,853
>> yes, commissioner.

1699
00:54:50,853 --> 00:54:53,220
There is a drainage easement

1700
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:53,556
across the site once the site is

1701
00:54:53,556 --> 00:54:55,556
developed.

1702
00:54:58,728 --> 00:55:02,328
It will go through a stormwater

1703
00:55:05,503 --> 00:55:07,171
review, and that the review will

1704
00:55:07,171 --> 00:55:07,905
ensure the impact.

1705
00:55:07,905 --> 00:55:10,700
>> michael owen: very good.

1706
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:10,942
Move for approval.

1707
00:55:10,942 --> 00:55:11,709
>> joshua wostal: second.

1708
00:55:11,709 --> 00:55:12,443
>> ken hagan: we have a motion

1709
00:55:12,443 --> 00:55:13,611
to approve by commissioner owen,

1710
00:55:13,611 --> 00:55:14,612
second by commissioner wostal.

1711
00:55:14,612 --> 00:55:15,881
If there are no other comments,

1712
00:55:15,881 --> 00:55:18,281
please record your vote.

1713
00:55:18,317 --> 00:55:18,884
>> motion carried 7-0.

1714
00:55:18,884 --> 00:55:19,618
>> ken hagan: f 3.

1715
00:55:19,618 --> 00:55:20,252
>> thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN.

1716
00:55:20,252 --> 00:55:21,587
Thank you, commissioners.

1717
00:55:21,587 --> 00:55:21,821
>> next item is agenda item f

1718
00:55:21,821 --> 00:55:23,821
3.

1719
00:55:24,857 --> 00:55:26,859
It's rezoning standard 23-0115.

1720
00:55:26,859 --> 00:55:28,594
It's a request to rezone a

1721
00:55:28,594 --> 00:55:30,363
.55-acre parcel on the east side

1722
00:55:30,363 --> 00:55:32,632
of theresa street located in the

1723
00:55:32,632 --> 00:55:34,434
town 'n' country area west of

1724
00:55:34,434 --> 00:55:34,768
webb and north of hillsborough

1725
00:55:34,768 --> 00:55:36,768
avenue.

1726
00:55:37,137 --> 00:55:39,600
Again, the request is to rezone

1727
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,641
from rsc 6 to rm

1728
00:55:40,641 --> 00:55:41,576
rmc 20 which is

1729
00:55:41,576 --> 00:55:43,976
a multifamily zoning district.

1730
00:55:44,579 --> 00:55:46,140
The comprehensive plan is res

1731
00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:46,782
20, and based on the surrounding

1732
00:55:46,782 --> 00:55:48,550
development pattern which

1733
00:55:48,550 --> 00:55:51,153
contains existing rmc 20 uses in

1734
00:55:51,153 --> 00:55:52,687
the immediate area, staff is

1735
00:55:52,687 --> 00:55:53,789
recommending approval, was found

1736
00:55:53,789 --> 00:55:54,857
consistent with

1737
00:55:54,857 --> 00:55:56,292
by the planning

1738
00:55:56,292 --> 00:55:57,193
commission and also hearing

1739
00:55:57,193 --> 00:55:58,161
officer is recommending approval

1740
00:55:58,161 --> 00:55:58,695
and staff is available for any

1741
00:55:58,695 --> 00:55:59,620
questions.

1742
00:55:59,620 --> 00:55:59,729
Thank you.

1743
00:55:59,729 --> 00:56:02,129
>> ken hagan: thank you.

1744
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:06,470
I believe the applicant is on

1745
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:08,720
virtual.

1746
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:10,472
>> yes, sir, good morning.

1747
00:56:11,375 --> 00:56:11,976
I'm the principal for --

1748
00:56:11,976 --> 00:56:13,976
investments corporation.

1749
00:56:16,810 --> 00:56:17,150
I was the one who submitted this

1750
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:18,817
application if you look at the

1751
00:56:18,817 --> 00:56:20,719
current zoning all around they

1752
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,522
are r 20, so this lot was never

1753
00:56:23,522 --> 00:56:25,725
sold in the last 50, 60, or 70

1754
00:56:25,725 --> 00:56:28,895
years, and I was just applying

1755
00:56:28,895 --> 00:56:30,970
to rezone it from rsc-6 to r-20

1756
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:31,330
and we have all the necessary

1757
00:56:31,330 --> 00:56:32,398
waivers from all the different

1758
00:56:32,398 --> 00:56:34,501
departments and everyone has

1759
00:56:34,501 --> 00:56:37,501
given the clearance to move

1760
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:46,514
forward with this rezoning.

1761
00:56:46,514 --> 00:56:47,349
>> ken hagan: is anybody

1762
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:48,249
anyone

1763
00:56:48,249 --> 00:56:49,317
here in support of the item?

1764
00:56:49,317 --> 00:56:50,185
Anyone in opposition?

1765
00:56:50,185 --> 00:56:51,186
Planning commission?

1766
00:56:51,186 --> 00:56:51,820
>> thank you.

1767
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:52,321
Melissa lienhard, planning

1768
00:56:52,321 --> 00:56:53,255
commission staff.

1769
00:56:53,255 --> 00:56:54,256
The sng

1770
00:56:54,256 --> 00:56:55,658
subject property is

1771
00:56:55,658 --> 00:56:56,993
located within the residential

1772
00:56:56,993 --> 00:56:58,628
20 future land use category.

1773
00:56:58,628 --> 00:57:00,697
It is in the urban service area

1774
00:57:00,697 --> 00:57:02,431
and located within the limits of

1775
00:57:02,431 --> 00:57:02,899
the town 'n' country community

1776
00:57:02,899 --> 00:57:04,734
plan.

1777
00:57:04,734 --> 00:57:05,836
The subject site is located in

1778
00:57:05,836 --> 00:57:07,370
the urban service area where

1779
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:10,370
according to objective 1 of the

1780
00:57:10,407 --> 00:57:11,409
future land use element, 80% of

1781
00:57:11,409 --> 00:57:11,909
the county's growth is to be

1782
00:57:11,909 --> 00:57:13,144
directed.

1783
00:57:13,144 --> 00:57:14,450
The proposed request is

1784
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:15,130
consistent with this policy

1785
00:57:15,130 --> 00:57:16,882
direction.

1786
00:57:16,882 --> 00:57:18,750
In addition, future land use

1787
00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:20,485
element policy 1.4 requires that

1788
00:57:20,485 --> 00:57:22,200
all new developments be

1789
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:22,554
compatible with the surrounding

1790
00:57:22,554 --> 00:57:24,554
area.

1791
00:57:25,858 --> 00:57:27,960
The proposed change from rsc-6

1792
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,162
to rmc-20 zoning is compatible

1793
00:57:29,162 --> 00:57:31,300
with the existing character of

1794
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:32,432
development in the area as the

1795
00:57:32,432 --> 00:57:34,432
current development pattern

1796
00:57:34,834 --> 00:57:37,234
contains extensive rmc-20 zoning

1797
00:57:37,271 --> 00:57:37,671
to the south, east, and

1798
00:57:37,671 --> 00:57:39,600
northeast.

1799
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:40,207
The proposed rezoning meets the

1800
00:57:40,207 --> 00:57:41,209
intent of neighborhood

1801
00:57:41,209 --> 00:57:42,276
protection policies of the

1802
00:57:42,276 --> 00:57:43,811
future land use element.

1803
00:57:43,811 --> 00:57:45,246
The development pattern of the

1804
00:57:45,246 --> 00:57:46,881
surrounding area shows other

1805
00:57:46,881 --> 00:57:47,983
residential uses with varying

1806
00:57:47,983 --> 00:57:49,751
lot size.

1807
00:57:49,751 --> 00:57:51,486
The proposed rezoning would also

1808
00:57:51,486 --> 00:57:52,387
encourage an appropriate

1809
00:57:52,387 --> 00:57:53,989
transition in intensity between

1810
00:57:53,989 --> 00:57:55,524
the commercial zoning districts

1811
00:57:55,524 --> 00:57:57,590
located south of the subject

1812
00:57:57,590 --> 00:57:58,394
property and the single-family

1813
00:57:58,394 --> 00:57:59,929
zoning districts located north

1814
00:57:59,929 --> 00:58:01,664
of the subject property.

1815
00:58:01,664 --> 00:58:02,765
A rezoning to rmc-20 would

1816
00:58:02,765 --> 00:58:04,200
reflect a development pattern

1817
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,602
that is in keeping with the

1818
00:58:05,602 --> 00:58:07,602
existing development pattern

1819
00:58:07,771 --> 00:58:08,472
which is consistent with this

1820
00:58:08,472 --> 00:58:10,207
policy direction.

1821
00:58:10,207 --> 00:58:11,609
The town ncountry community

1822
00:58:11,609 --> 00:58:12,710
plan's vision statement

1823
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:14,710
encourages development that

1824
00:58:16,214 --> 00:58:16,881
increases the property values of

1825
00:58:16,881 --> 00:58:18,850
homes.

1826
00:58:18,850 --> 00:58:19,784
Allowing rmc-20 zoning on the

1827
00:58:19,784 --> 00:58:20,719
subject site will encourage

1828
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:22,200
development and increase value

1829
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,122
to the area, especially

1830
00:58:23,122 --> 00:58:24,557
considering that the site is

1831
00:58:24,557 --> 00:58:25,958
currently vacant.

1832
00:58:25,958 --> 00:58:26,959
The proposed rm

1833
00:58:26,959 --> 00:58:28,270
rmc-20 zoning

1834
00:58:28,270 --> 00:58:29,280
district is aligned with the

1835
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,363
community plan's language

1836
00:58:30,363 --> 00:58:32,432
regarding a strong urban

1837
00:58:32,432 --> 00:58:33,866
community and is therefore

1838
00:58:33,866 --> 00:58:34,968
consistent with the overall

1839
00:58:34,968 --> 00:58:36,469
vision of the community plan.

1840
00:58:36,469 --> 00:58:37,904
Based upon those considerations,

1841
00:58:37,904 --> 00:58:39,873
planning commission staff finds

1842
00:58:39,873 --> 00:58:42,273
the proposed rezoning consistent

1843
00:58:42,343 --> 00:58:42,877
with the unincorporated

1844
00:58:42,877 --> 00:58:43,410
hillsborough county

1845
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:44,278
comprehensive plan.

1846
00:58:44,278 --> 00:58:46,278
Thank you.

1847
00:58:47,648 --> 00:58:48,316
>> ken hagan: zoning hearing

1848
00:58:48,316 --> 00:58:49,500
master?

1849
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:50,185
>> the zoning hearing master

1850
00:58:50,185 --> 00:58:52,585
reviewed the applicant's request

1851
00:58:54,122 --> 00:58:57,122
for rezoning to the rmc 20

1852
00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:01,230
zoning district and that request

1853
00:59:01,230 --> 00:59:02,980
is for the development of

1854
00:59:02,980 --> 00:59:04,400
townhomes on the site.

1855
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,137
The property is just over half

1856
00:59:07,137 --> 00:59:09,539
an acre.55 acres in size,

1857
00:59:09,539 --> 00:59:10,507
currently zoned rsc-6 and

1858
00:59:10,507 --> 00:59:12,907
designated residential 20 by the

1859
00:59:14,879 --> 00:59:16,879
comprehensive plan.

1860
00:59:17,282 --> 00:59:20,251
Some testimony in opposition was

1861
00:59:20,251 --> 00:59:23,121
provided at the zmh hearing

1862
00:59:23,121 --> 00:59:26,292
from -- zhm hearing from a

1863
00:59:26,292 --> 00:59:27,159
resident of the kingsport

1864
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:28,260
townhome community to the south

1865
00:59:28,260 --> 00:59:28,561
but not adjacent to the

1866
00:59:28,561 --> 00:59:30,561
property.

1867
00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:35,980
That concern was regarding the

1868
00:59:35,601 --> 00:59:37,237
sufficiency of the roadway and

1869
00:59:37,237 --> 00:59:39,637
potential concern about traffic

1870
00:59:40,841 --> 00:59:41,375
and the reduction of property

1871
00:59:41,375 --> 00:59:41,708
values.

1872
00:59:41,708 --> 00:59:43,708
However.

1873
00:59:44,578 --> 00:59:45,980
The county's transportation

1874
00:59:45,980 --> 00:59:48,716
review section stated thatt the

1875
00:59:48,716 --> 00:59:50,510
subject property will be

1876
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:52,354
accessed from theresa road which

1877
00:59:52,354 --> 00:59:53,688
is a two-lane undweeded roadway

1878
00:59:53,688 --> 00:59:55,323
with -- undivided roadway with

1879
00:59:55,323 --> 00:59:57,323
52 feet of right-of-way.

1880
00:59:59,610 --> 01:00:00,162
Transportation staff has no

1881
01:00:00,162 --> 01:00:00,629
objection to the rezoning

1882
01:00:00,629 --> 01:00:01,464
request.

1883
01:00:01,464 --> 01:00:02,798
Furthermore, the applicant

1884
01:00:02,798 --> 01:00:04,300
testified in rebuttal that the

1885
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:06,169
resident of the townhome

1886
01:00:06,169 --> 01:00:08,572
community was referring to the

1887
01:00:08,572 --> 01:00:10,600
internal access roads for that

1888
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,750
community, which can only

1889
01:00:12,750 --> 01:00:13,177
accommodate one vehicle due to

1890
01:00:13,177 --> 01:00:15,177
insufficient roadway width.

1891
01:00:15,279 --> 01:00:16,881
The subject property will be

1892
01:00:16,881 --> 01:00:19,183
accessed from theresa road which

1893
01:00:19,183 --> 01:00:20,840
is a two-lane road.

1894
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:21,286
The zoning hearing master found

1895
01:00:21,286 --> 01:00:22,787
that the rezoning for the

1896
01:00:22,787 --> 01:00:24,256
development of townhomes on site

1897
01:00:24,256 --> 01:00:25,657
is consistent with the

1898
01:00:25,657 --> 01:00:27,493
development pattern in the area

1899
01:00:27,493 --> 01:00:28,694
as well as with the

1900
01:00:28,694 --> 01:00:30,896
comprehensive plan and is

1901
01:00:30,896 --> 01:00:31,564
recommended approval.

1902
01:00:31,564 --> 01:00:32,665
>> ken hagan: all right.

1903
01:00:32,665 --> 01:00:33,132
What's the pleasure of the

1904
01:00:33,132 --> 01:00:33,933
board.

1905
01:00:33,933 --> 01:00:34,700
>> michael owen: move approval.

1906
01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:36,369
>> ken hagan: got a motion to

1907
01:00:36,369 --> 01:00:38,369
approve, commissioner cohen,

1908
01:00:39,439 --> 01:00:40,340
second, commissioner myers.

1909
01:00:40,340 --> 01:00:43,340
No other comments, please record

1910
01:00:44,946 --> 01:00:46,946
your vote.

1911
01:00:49,550 --> 01:00:50,618
>> motion carried 7-0.

1912
01:00:50,618 --> 01:00:52,618
>> ken hagan: f 4.

1913
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,320
>> the next item is agenda item

1914
01:00:56,625 --> 01:00:57,960
f 4 rezoning pd 23-0181.

1915
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:58,594
The applicant is hope

1916
01:00:58,594 --> 01:01:00,563
international ministries.

1917
01:01:00,563 --> 01:01:03,433
This is a request to rezone a

1918
01:01:03,433 --> 01:01:05,833
9.44-acre parcel that's loathed

1919
01:01:08,238 --> 01:01:10,238
in the greater

1920
01:01:16,146 --> 01:01:16,780
carrollwood-northdale area on

1921
01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:18,315
mushinski road.

1922
01:01:18,315 --> 01:01:21,315
They will be single-family homes

1923
01:01:21,653 --> 01:01:23,540
but under common ownership of

1924
01:01:23,540 --> 01:01:24,255
hope international.

1925
01:01:24,255 --> 01:01:24,989
Technically it would still be

1926
01:01:24,989 --> 01:01:26,224
considered multifamily.

1927
01:01:26,224 --> 01:01:27,325
This will be an extension of the

1928
01:01:27,325 --> 01:01:28,727
hope international ministries

1929
01:01:28,727 --> 01:01:29,928
children's home to the west and

1930
01:01:29,928 --> 01:01:31,928
it actually specifically

1931
01:01:32,231 --> 01:01:35,831
conditioned to limit the use of

1932
01:01:36,936 --> 01:01:38,705
the residence to employees of

1933
01:01:38,705 --> 01:01:40,540
the facility to the west, so

1934
01:01:40,540 --> 01:01:41,542
it's functioning as an extension

1935
01:01:41,542 --> 01:01:43,510
of that.

1936
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:44,644
Based on that, staff, planning

1937
01:01:44,644 --> 01:01:46,146
development services staff did

1938
01:01:46,146 --> 01:01:47,882
find the request compatible.

1939
01:01:47,882 --> 01:01:48,616
The hearing officer also

1940
01:01:48,616 --> 01:01:49,250
recommended approval.

1941
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:52,250
I would note the planning

1942
01:01:52,253 --> 01:01:53,154
commission did find this

1943
01:01:53,154 --> 01:01:54,355
inconsistent based on

1944
01:01:54,355 --> 01:01:55,256
noncompliance with minimum

1945
01:01:55,256 --> 01:01:57,656
density policies which they'll

1946
01:01:57,826 --> 01:01:58,426
speak to as part of their

1947
01:01:58,426 --> 01:01:59,610
presentation.

1948
01:01:59,610 --> 01:01:59,561
Staff is available for any

1949
01:01:59,561 --> 01:01:59,928
questions.

1950
01:01:59,928 --> 01:02:00,596
Thank you.

1951
01:02:00,596 --> 01:02:00,963
>> ken hagan: all right.

1952
01:02:00,963 --> 01:02:02,963
Thank you.

1953
01:02:04,634 --> 01:02:06,836
Is the applicant here?

1954
01:02:06,836 --> 01:02:08,710
Morning.

1955
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:09,773
>> good morning, kami corbett

1956
01:02:09,773 --> 01:02:10,774
with the law firm of hill, ward,

1957
01:02:10,774 --> 01:02:12,774
and henderson.

1958
01:02:12,943 --> 01:02:14,943
101 east kennedy boulevard,

1959
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,348
suite 3700.

1960
01:02:18,348 --> 01:02:18,983
Find a place to put my stuff.

1961
01:02:18,983 --> 01:02:19,283
There we go.

1962
01:02:19,283 --> 01:02:20,618
Sorry.

1963
01:02:20,618 --> 01:02:22,530
I do have a brief presentation

1964
01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:23,354
for you this morning since we

1965
01:02:23,354 --> 01:02:24,656
did hear that planning

1966
01:02:24,656 --> 01:02:25,256
commission did find us

1967
01:02:25,256 --> 01:02:26,758
inconsistent.

1968
01:02:26,758 --> 01:02:27,759
I have the pleasure of

1969
01:02:27,759 --> 01:02:28,590
representing hope children's

1970
01:02:28,590 --> 01:02:30,590
home.

1971
01:02:30,429 --> 01:02:31,597
They are a private not for

1972
01:02:31,597 --> 01:02:32,898
profit school that is christ

1973
01:02:32,898 --> 01:02:34,233
based and bible based.

1974
01:02:34,233 --> 01:02:34,767
It's a children's home and a

1975
01:02:34,767 --> 01:02:36,680
school.

1976
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:37,603
They do not accept any money

1977
01:02:37,603 --> 01:02:38,604
from any federal, state, or

1978
01:02:38,604 --> 01:02:40,604
local government.

1979
01:02:40,773 --> 01:02:42,742
They're fully privately funded,

1980
01:02:42,742 --> 01:02:45,142
commissioner wostal, and to

1981
01:02:45,212 --> 01:02:47,480
further introduce you to hope, I

1982
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,160
would like to play a brief video

1983
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,286
or have upstairs play a brief

1984
01:02:52,286 --> 01:02:53,754
video.

1985
01:02:53,754 --> 01:02:55,690
>> cami, can you please confirm

1986
01:02:55,690 --> 01:02:56,691
that video was shown at zhm.

1987
01:02:56,691 --> 01:02:58,920
>> it was and it's noted in the

1988
01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:59,394
clerk's record and it's the same

1989
01:02:59,394 --> 01:03:02,994
video I sent to you yesterday.

1990
01:03:05,334 --> 01:03:07,334
>> thank you.

1991
01:03:30,662 --> 01:03:31,763
>> one second.

1992
01:03:31,763 --> 01:03:32,631
>> we can't get it, I can

1993
01:03:32,631 --> 01:03:34,631
continue.

1994
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:40,573
Okay.

1995
01:03:40,573 --> 01:03:42,973
>> joshua wostal: they're just

1996
01:04:26,391 --> 01:04:28,391
building suspense.

1997
01:05:48,582 --> 01:05:50,582
>> [Off mic]

1998
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,820
[Inaudible]

1999
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>> and so the reason I show you

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that video, and you might be

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01:07:21,618 --> 01:07:22,586
wondering how is this relevant

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to land use.

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It's eextremely relevant to the

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01:07:25,856 --> 01:07:27,570
question as to whether or not we

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01:07:27,570 --> 01:07:28,493
satisfied an exception to the

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minimum density policy.

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01:07:29,694 --> 01:07:30,895
I wanted you to see what's

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01:07:30,895 --> 01:07:33,198
happening on the property, what

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01:07:33,198 --> 01:07:34,833
the nature of this property is,

2010
01:07:34,833 --> 01:07:36,802
and how developing the property

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01:07:36,802 --> 01:07:37,803
to minimum density which would

2012
01:07:37,803 --> 01:07:40,203
be 27 single-family homes would

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01:07:40,505 --> 01:07:41,390
be very disruptive to what's

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01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:43,390
happening.

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01:07:43,142 --> 01:07:45,544
Just quickly, you see the

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vicinity, we're south of gunn

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01:07:47,790 --> 01:07:47,547
highway and west of henderson

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01:07:47,547 --> 01:07:49,547
road.

2019
01:07:49,682 --> 01:07:50,160
This is the existing campus in

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01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,160
aerial.

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01:07:52,219 --> 01:07:54,870
The yellow is the existing hope

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01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:55,856
children's home pd.

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01:07:55,856 --> 01:07:57,570
The green is the proposed pd,

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01:07:57,570 --> 01:07:59,226
and you can see in that aerial

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01:07:59,226 --> 01:08:01,629
there is a swimming pool, an

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01:08:01,629 --> 01:08:02,630
existing residence and some

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01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:03,397
structures, some barns and some

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01:08:03,397 --> 01:08:04,599
things that are already there,

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and it's already integrated as

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part of their campus.

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So this is mart of what they

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01:08:09,104 --> 01:08:10,372
consider to be their -- part of

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01:08:10,372 --> 01:08:10,839
what they consider to be their

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01:08:10,839 --> 01:08:12,241
home.

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01:08:12,241 --> 01:08:13,876
The request again we're asking

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for eight additional structures

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to maintain those accessory

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uses, and we are asking for a pd

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01:08:18,581 --> 01:08:19,415
variation to maintain the

2040
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existing buffers because I'm

2041
01:08:20,817 --> 01:08:22,852
going to show you some photos

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and you're going to see that it

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01:08:24,388 --> 01:08:25,322
looks really rural out here.

2044
01:08:25,322 --> 01:08:28,125
Again, these are the images of

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01:08:28,125 --> 01:08:28,626
the cottage interior and

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01:08:28,626 --> 01:08:29,994
exterior.

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01:08:29,994 --> 01:08:31,829
That's the library you saw.

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01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:33,300
This is te playground that is

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01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:34,666
on the existing pd.

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01:08:34,666 --> 01:08:36,201
This is the swimming pool that's

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01:08:36,201 --> 01:08:37,636
on this property that's subject

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01:08:37,636 --> 01:08:38,837
to this pd request.

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01:08:38,837 --> 01:08:42,700
You can see it's already in use

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01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:43,675
by the children's home.

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01:08:43,675 --> 01:08:46,713
Again, and just again very rural

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01:08:46,713 --> 01:08:48,681
in nature and has a rural picket

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01:08:48,681 --> 01:08:49,115
fence and that, that's a dead

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01:08:49,115 --> 01:08:50,116
end.

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01:08:50,116 --> 01:08:52,185
That's adjacent to them, and

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then you'll see on this aerial

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01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,220
what's beyond the dead end.

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01:08:55,220 --> 01:08:57,624
When we look to the west, we

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have a very significant rural

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development pattern of asc-1

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01:09:01,361 --> 01:09:03,970
zoning.

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Now, I admit that when you look

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to the north, east, and south,

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there is a suburban development

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01:09:06,601 --> 01:09:08,360
pattern, and I understand why

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01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:09,337
the planning commission is

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01:09:09,337 --> 01:09:10,205
looking at that from that

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01:09:10,205 --> 01:09:11,907
perspective, but I think when

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you look at it as a whole, and

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01:09:13,208 --> 01:09:14,743
you look at the compatibility

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01:09:14,743 --> 01:09:16,579
with this children's home,

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01:09:16,579 --> 01:09:17,913
there's no question that we've

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met the exception for minimum

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density and that that additional

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01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,186
density would be completely

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incompatible and inconsistent.

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We're consistent with the

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greater carrollwood community

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plan, which recognizes the

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uniqueness of neighborhoods and

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recognizes each neighborhood's

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culture.

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And this is the concept map from

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01:09:35,133 --> 01:09:36,401
carrollwood community plan.

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There is nothing inconsistent

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01:09:37,736 --> 01:09:40,472
with this development with that

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01:09:40,472 --> 01:09:42,107
community plan.

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01:09:42,107 --> 01:09:43,842
And again, our point, we think

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01:09:43,842 --> 01:09:46,512
that requiring us to meet

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01:09:46,512 --> 01:09:48,581
minimum density would be wholly

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01:09:48,581 --> 01:09:49,549
incompatible and would adversely

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01:09:49,549 --> 01:09:50,550
impact the existing development

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01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:53,186
we have, and we would

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01:09:53,186 --> 01:09:53,686
respectfully request your

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01:09:53,686 --> 01:09:54,454
approval.

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01:09:54,454 --> 01:09:54,721
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

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01:09:54,721 --> 01:09:55,422
you.

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01:09:55,422 --> 01:09:56,456
Anyone here in support of the

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01:09:56,456 --> 01:09:58,456
application?

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01:09:58,993 --> 01:10:00,993
Anyone in opposition?

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01:10:01,295 --> 01:10:02,696
Planning commission?

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01:10:02,696 --> 01:10:03,697
>> thank you for the record,

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01:10:03,697 --> 01:10:04,198
melissa lienhard, planning

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01:10:04,198 --> 01:10:05,433
commission staff.

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01:10:05,433 --> 01:10:06,667
The subject property is located

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01:10:06,667 --> 01:10:09,670
within the residential 4 future

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01:10:11,506 --> 01:10:12,241
land use category, in the urban

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01:10:12,241 --> 01:10:15,440
service area, and it is also

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located within the greater

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01:10:15,944 --> 01:10:16,378
carrollwood-northdale community

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plan limits.

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01:10:17,346 --> 01:10:19,115
Objective 1 of the future land

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use element of the comprehensive

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01:10:20,783 --> 01:10:21,751
plan asserts that hillsborough

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01:10:21,751 --> 01:10:24,200
county shall proactively direct

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01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:24,922
new growth into the urban

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01:10:24,922 --> 01:10:27,324
service area with the goal that

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01:10:27,324 --> 01:10:28,959
at least 80% of all population

2123
01:10:28,959 --> 01:10:29,826
growth will occur within the

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urban service area during the

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01:10:31,929 --> 01:10:32,363
planning horizon of the comp

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01:10:32,363 --> 01:10:34,231
plan.

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01:10:34,231 --> 01:10:35,533
Future land use element policy

2128
01:10:35,533 --> 01:10:37,702
1.2 requires that all new

2129
01:10:37,702 --> 01:10:39,702
development or redevelopment

2130
01:10:40,238 --> 01:10:41,539
shall occur at a density of at

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01:10:41,539 --> 01:10:43,750
least 75% of the allowable

2132
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:45,611
density of the future land use

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01:10:45,611 --> 01:10:47,146
category in order to optimize

2134
01:10:47,146 --> 01:10:47,780
investment for services and

2135
01:10:47,780 --> 01:10:49,649
infrastructure.

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01:10:49,649 --> 01:10:52,510
The subject site's future land

2137
01:10:52,510 --> 01:10:53,920
use category is residential 4

2138
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,320
which allows for consideration

2139
01:10:56,957 --> 01:10:58,825
of up to 37 dwelling units on

2140
01:10:58,825 --> 01:11:00,360
the 9.44-acre subject property.

2141
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,695
The proposed development seeks

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01:11:01,695 --> 01:11:02,796
to add eight additional

2143
01:11:02,796 --> 01:11:05,196
single-family dwelling units to

2144
01:11:06,634 --> 01:11:08,690
an existing dwelling unit uniant

2145
01:11:08,690 --> 01:11:09,370
of the site which would total

2146
01:11:09,370 --> 01:11:10,572
nine units.

2147
01:11:10,572 --> 01:11:12,540
These nine uits would fall

2148
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:13,875
significantly under the 75%

2149
01:11:13,875 --> 01:11:14,776
density requirement which is 28

2150
01:11:14,776 --> 01:11:15,611
dwelling units for new

2151
01:11:15,611 --> 01:11:18,110
development within the urban

2152
01:11:18,247 --> 01:11:18,747
service area by a considerable

2153
01:11:18,747 --> 01:11:20,683
margin.

2154
01:11:20,683 --> 01:11:22,318
Future land use element policy

2155
01:11:22,318 --> 01:11:23,753
1.3 seeks to restrict new zoning

2156
01:11:23,753 --> 01:11:25,753
approvals for residential

2157
01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:26,890
development within the urban

2158
01:11:26,890 --> 01:11:29,326
service area, and future land

2159
01:11:29,326 --> 01:11:30,761
use categories that permit four

2160
01:11:30,761 --> 01:11:33,597
dwelling units per gross acre or

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01:11:33,597 --> 01:11:34,665
greater than do not meet minimum

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01:11:34,665 --> 01:11:36,665
density, unless certain

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01:11:36,667 --> 01:11:38,200
circumstances are met.

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01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,700
In their narrative the applicant

2165
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:40,372
stated the proposed development

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01:11:40,372 --> 01:11:41,473
would adversely impact the

2167
01:11:41,473 --> 01:11:43,800
existing development pattern in

2168
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,612
the area if it was required to

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01:11:46,612 --> 01:11:47,179
meet the 75% minimum density

2170
01:11:47,179 --> 01:11:48,480
requirement.

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01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:49,782
This however is not a true

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01:11:49,782 --> 01:11:51,317
representation of the dense

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01:11:51,317 --> 01:11:52,852
residential nature of the

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01:11:52,852 --> 01:11:53,953
surrounding areas adjacent to

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01:11:53,953 --> 01:11:55,588
the subject site directly to the

2176
01:11:55,588 --> 01:11:56,790
north, east, and south.

2177
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:58,425
The eight new dwelling units

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01:11:58,425 --> 01:11:59,526
plus the existing residential

2179
01:11:59,526 --> 01:12:01,395
structure would vastly reduce

2180
01:12:01,395 --> 01:12:03,130
the density of the subject

2181
01:12:03,130 --> 01:12:04,332
property to a mere one unit per

2182
01:12:04,332 --> 01:12:06,667
gross acre which is

2183
01:12:06,667 --> 01:12:08,302
significantly below the 75%

2184
01:12:08,302 --> 01:12:08,970
minimum that is required for new

2185
01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:10,271
development within the urban

2186
01:12:10,271 --> 01:12:11,706
service area.

2187
01:12:11,706 --> 01:12:12,474
And based upon those

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01:12:12,474 --> 01:12:13,908
considerations, planning

2189
01:12:13,908 --> 01:12:14,877
commission staff finds the

2190
01:12:14,877 --> 01:12:16,311
proposed planned development

2191
01:12:16,311 --> 01:12:17,790
inconsistent with the

2192
01:12:17,790 --> 01:12:17,613
comprehensive plan.

2193
01:12:17,613 --> 01:12:18,380
Thank you.

2194
01:12:18,380 --> 01:12:18,714
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

2195
01:12:18,714 --> 01:12:20,714
you.

2196
01:12:22,985 --> 01:12:23,853
Zoning hearing master?

2197
01:12:23,853 --> 01:12:25,288
>> the zoning hearing master

2198
01:12:25,288 --> 01:12:26,789
reviewed the applicant's request

2199
01:12:26,789 --> 01:12:28,558
for rezoning of the subject

2200
01:12:28,558 --> 01:12:30,760
property to planned development

2201
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,464
to allow a total of nine

2202
01:12:33,464 --> 01:12:34,465
single-family homes to serve as

2203
01:12:34,465 --> 01:12:37,301
employee housing for staff of

2204
01:12:37,301 --> 01:12:38,503
the hope children's home on the

2205
01:12:38,503 --> 01:12:42,103
adjacent parcel to the west of

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01:12:42,674 --> 01:12:44,674
the subject property.

2207
01:12:44,743 --> 01:12:45,510
The applicant has requested pd

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01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:47,510
variations regarding the

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01:12:48,347 --> 01:12:49,781
buffering and screening

2210
01:12:49,781 --> 01:12:52,181
requirements of the land

2211
01:12:56,220 --> 01:12:58,220
development code.

2212
01:12:59,425 --> 01:13:00,627
First is five-foot wide buffer

2213
01:13:00,627 --> 01:13:02,696
on the north and east boundaries

2214
01:13:02,696 --> 01:13:04,331
to allow a zero buffer and to

2215
01:13:04,331 --> 01:13:05,966
maintain the existing fencing

2216
01:13:05,966 --> 01:13:08,366
and mature vegetation, tree

2217
01:13:11,205 --> 01:13:12,173
canopy, and open space.

2218
01:13:12,173 --> 01:13:13,174
Additionally the applicant is

2219
01:13:13,174 --> 01:13:13,942
requesting a pd variation to the

2220
01:13:13,942 --> 01:13:14,609
land development code's

2221
01:13:14,609 --> 01:13:16,609
buffering and screening

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01:13:17,913 --> 01:13:19,810
requirements for a 10-foot

2223
01:13:19,810 --> 01:13:20,916
reduction and the 10-foot wide

2224
01:13:20,916 --> 01:13:22,285
buffer and type a screening on

2225
01:13:22,285 --> 01:13:24,353
the subject property's west

2226
01:13:24,353 --> 01:13:27,953
boundary to allow a zero buffer

2227
01:13:28,925 --> 01:13:30,927
and maintain the existing mature

2228
01:13:30,927 --> 01:13:32,830
tree canopy, mature vegetation,

2229
01:13:32,830 --> 01:13:33,630
tree canopy, and ownen space.

2230
01:13:33,630 --> 01:13:35,899
The zoning hearing master --

2231
01:13:35,899 --> 01:13:37,899
open space.

2232
01:13:38,269 --> 01:13:39,136
The zoning hearing master

2233
01:13:39,136 --> 01:13:41,136
reviewed the development

2234
01:13:44,750 --> 01:13:44,642
services staff finding that

2235
01:13:44,642 --> 01:13:45,510
although the proposed

2236
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:46,511
development of nine dwelling

2237
01:13:46,511 --> 01:13:48,580
units does not meet the

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01:13:48,580 --> 01:13:50,549
comprehensive plan's minimum

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01:13:50,549 --> 01:13:51,750
density policy, the proposed

2240
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:53,385
detached single-family home

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01:13:53,385 --> 01:13:55,255
development is in harmony with

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01:13:55,255 --> 01:13:56,556
the surrounding land uses and

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01:13:56,556 --> 01:13:58,956
maintains the existing height,

2244
01:14:03,997 --> 01:14:04,531
scale, and bulk of development

2245
01:14:04,531 --> 01:14:05,632
pattern.

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01:14:05,632 --> 01:14:06,400
Staff, the development services

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01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:07,702
department found the planned

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01:14:07,702 --> 01:14:08,602
development is intended to

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01:14:08,602 --> 01:14:09,503
exclusively serve the

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01:14:09,503 --> 01:14:12,730
institutional use to the west of

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01:14:12,730 --> 01:14:14,473
the subject property, which

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01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:16,377
results in the continuity of the

2253
01:14:16,377 --> 01:14:18,580
existing land use and visual

2254
01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:21,617
character of the area and does

2255
01:14:21,617 --> 01:14:23,617
not create additional

2256
01:14:23,819 --> 01:14:25,221
landscaping, lining, waste, odor

2257
01:14:25,221 --> 01:14:26,422
or architectural impacts.

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01:14:26,422 --> 01:14:27,957
The zoning hearing master noted

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01:14:27,957 --> 01:14:29,492
that development services has

2260
01:14:29,492 --> 01:14:31,270
found the rezoning compatible

2261
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:33,427
with the surrounding properties

2262
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:37,340
and in keeping with the general

2263
01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:39,236
pattern of development in the

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01:14:39,236 --> 01:14:41,636
area, and ha recommended

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01:14:42,674 --> 01:14:43,474
approval subject to conditions.

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01:14:43,474 --> 01:14:44,208
The zoning hearing master

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01:14:44,208 --> 01:14:45,577
concluded with the

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01:14:45,577 --> 01:14:47,977
recommendation for approval of

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01:14:48,146 --> 01:14:49,681
the pd rezoning request subject

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01:14:49,681 --> 01:14:51,830
to the conditions set out in the

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01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:53,830
development services department

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01:14:54,860 --> 01:14:54,854
staff report.

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01:14:54,854 --> 01:14:55,121
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

2274
01:14:55,121 --> 01:14:57,121
you.

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01:14:59,920 --> 01:14:59,959
Commissioner wostal?

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01:14:59,959 --> 01:15:01,261
>> joshua wostal: poor

2277
01:15:01,261 --> 01:15:02,362
MS. Leinhard probably hat

2278
01:15:02,362 --> 01:15:03,797
has

2279
01:15:03,797 --> 01:15:05,132
that section memorized.

2280
01:15:05,132 --> 01:15:06,433
I've only been here 9 1/2

2281
01:15:06,433 --> 01:15:07,868
months, I mean, I almost can't

2282
01:15:07,868 --> 01:15:09,269
go a land use meeting without

2283
01:15:09,269 --> 01:15:09,770
you having to repeat this

2284
01:15:09,770 --> 01:15:11,770
density.

2285
01:15:12,572 --> 01:15:15,309
So I just, I hope that when

2286
01:15:15,309 --> 01:15:16,210
we're going through all of these

2287
01:15:16,210 --> 01:15:17,946
rework of things we're looking

2288
01:15:17,946 --> 01:15:19,581
at this density section and

2289
01:15:19,581 --> 01:15:22,581
objectives, and it seems like

2290
01:15:22,618 --> 01:15:24,186
it's becoming a bureaucratic

2291
01:15:24,186 --> 01:15:27,186
nightmare in a certain regard,

2292
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:29,392
and they had to hire I'm sure an

2293
01:15:29,392 --> 01:15:30,226
extremely fairly priced land use

2294
01:15:30,226 --> 01:15:32,162
attorney to come here for

2295
01:15:32,162 --> 01:15:32,996
something I don't even see as

2296
01:15:32,996 --> 01:15:35,396
necessary, and it's probably

2297
01:15:35,532 --> 01:15:35,999
something we need to review, so

2298
01:15:35,999 --> 01:15:36,666
thank you.

2299
01:15:36,666 --> 01:15:37,200
>> ken hagan: thank you.

2300
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,690
Commissioner owen.

2301
01:15:39,690 --> 01:15:39,636
>> michael owen: thank you,

2302
01:15:39,636 --> 01:15:41,272
MR. CHAIRMAN.

2303
01:15:41,272 --> 01:15:41,772
And thank you, cami, fo

2304
01:15:41,772 --> 01:15:42,607
representing them.

2305
01:15:42,607 --> 01:15:44,342
I know it's probably not one

2306
01:15:44,342 --> 01:15:44,842
where you're making a windfall

2307
01:15:44,842 --> 01:15:46,842
of money.

2308
01:15:47,478 --> 01:15:49,381
This organization is wonderful.

2309
01:15:49,381 --> 01:15:50,882
I just wish, and you know, they

2310
01:15:50,882 --> 01:15:51,383
would expand to east or south

2311
01:15:51,383 --> 01:15:52,318
county.

2312
01:15:52,318 --> 01:15:54,386
I would love to have an

2313
01:15:54,386 --> 01:15:55,488
organization like that out

2314
01:15:55,488 --> 01:15:57,990
there, especially for what they

2315
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:59,859
stand for and, you know,

2316
01:15:59,859 --> 01:16:00,359
obviously this isn't my

2317
01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:02,359
district.

2318
01:16:03,463 --> 01:16:04,664
Commissioner hagan, but I really

2319
01:16:04,664 --> 01:16:05,198
think that this is a great

2320
01:16:05,198 --> 01:16:06,533
expansion.

2321
01:16:06,533 --> 01:16:10,733
Now the only thing I saw on

2322
01:16:12,973 --> 01:16:14,750
here, cami, you said eight

2323
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:14,842
additional properties but I have

2324
01:16:14,842 --> 01:16:17,242
nine on my notes.

2325
01:16:22,718 --> 01:16:23,185
I want to make sure my record's

2326
01:16:23,185 --> 01:16:23,986
right.

2327
01:16:23,986 --> 01:16:27,323
>> there is an existing home on

2328
01:16:27,323 --> 01:16:29,725
the site so it's on top of the

2329
01:16:29,725 --> 01:16:30,826
one there.

2330
01:16:30,826 --> 01:16:32,995
>> michael owen: got it.

2331
01:16:32,995 --> 01:16:34,297
This is a dead end road here.

2332
01:16:34,297 --> 01:16:35,298
These are folks working for

2333
01:16:35,298 --> 01:16:36,733
hope, this is why they are

2334
01:16:36,733 --> 01:16:37,934
creating this, it's an extension

2335
01:16:37,934 --> 01:16:38,302
of their facility in essence.

2336
01:16:38,302 --> 01:16:38,701
Very good.

2337
01:16:38,701 --> 01:16:39,569
Thank you.

2338
01:16:39,569 --> 01:16:40,870
>> ken hagan: thank you.

2339
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:41,639
Commissioner cameron cepeda.

2340
01:16:41,639 --> 01:16:43,640
>> donna cameron cepeda: yes I

2341
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:44,375
would just like to say I'm so

2342
01:16:44,375 --> 01:16:45,760
thankful that we have an

2343
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:46,577
organization like this in our

2344
01:16:46,577 --> 01:16:47,778
community that are really

2345
01:16:47,778 --> 01:16:50,615
helping, you know, the hurting

2346
01:16:50,615 --> 01:16:51,249
hearts of these little

2347
01:16:51,249 --> 01:16:51,949
children.

2348
01:16:51,949 --> 01:16:52,718
I'm so thankful for this.

2349
01:16:52,718 --> 01:16:53,919
It's just amazing.

2350
01:16:53,919 --> 01:16:54,786
I didn't even know about that

2351
01:16:54,786 --> 01:16:55,888
organization.

2352
01:16:55,888 --> 01:16:57,890
It's just wonderful.

2353
01:16:57,890 --> 01:16:59,392
And I would like to make a

2354
01:16:59,392 --> 01:16:59,992
motion for approval.

2355
01:16:59,992 --> 01:17:00,893
>> ken hagan: okay.

2356
01:17:00,893 --> 01:17:02,562
We got a motion to approve,

2357
01:17:02,562 --> 01:17:04,562
commissioner cameron cepeda.

2358
01:17:04,831 --> 01:17:05,532
Second, commissioner wostal.

2359
01:17:05,532 --> 01:17:06,299
Commissioner cohen.

2360
01:17:06,299 --> 01:17:06,733
>> harry cohen: thank you very

2361
01:17:06,733 --> 01:17:08,733
much.

2362
01:17:10,437 --> 01:17:14,475
And you know, it is, I think, in

2363
01:17:14,475 --> 01:17:16,911
most cases not appropriate to

2364
01:17:16,911 --> 01:17:17,779
consider the mission of an

2365
01:17:17,779 --> 01:17:20,179
organization when you're making

2366
01:17:20,515 --> 01:17:23,585
a land use decision, but unthis

2367
01:17:23,585 --> 01:17:26,855
case, I think the counsel for

2368
01:17:26,855 --> 01:17:30,259
the applicant did do a good job

2369
01:17:30,259 --> 01:17:32,228
of explaining why this type of

2370
01:17:32,228 --> 01:17:32,728
structure makes sense on this

2371
01:17:32,728 --> 01:17:34,728
property.

2372
01:17:36,599 --> 01:17:38,368
And I guess that gets me to the

2373
01:17:38,368 --> 01:17:40,368
larger point.

2374
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,707
You know, I respect the fact

2375
01:17:43,707 --> 01:17:45,430
that the staff has to, and the

2376
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:47,879
planning commission have to make

2377
01:17:47,879 --> 01:17:49,180
narrow judgments within the

2378
01:17:49,180 --> 01:17:50,815
confines of the direction that

2379
01:17:50,815 --> 01:17:52,217
our policy gives them.

2380
01:17:52,217 --> 01:17:55,220
But what makes our system I

2381
01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:57,323
think work so well is that we as

2382
01:17:57,323 --> 01:17:59,580
a board have the ability to be a

2383
01:17:59,580 --> 01:18:01,894
little more creative and a

2384
01:18:01,894 --> 01:18:03,429
little bit more open-minded when

2385
01:18:03,429 --> 01:18:04,564
we look at these applications.

2386
01:18:04,564 --> 01:18:07,734
So when we look at something

2387
01:18:07,734 --> 01:18:09,603
like this, we can understand

2388
01:18:09,603 --> 01:18:11,603
when I,

2389
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:13,207
-- why and we can apply

2390
01:18:13,207 --> 01:18:16,807
the judgment we have been given

2391
01:18:17,712 --> 01:18:19,914
to look at why it makes sense to

2392
01:18:19,914 --> 01:18:20,882
allow something under the

2393
01:18:20,882 --> 01:18:22,417
density, just like the one

2394
01:18:22,417 --> 01:18:24,286
before us where we looked at the

2395
01:18:24,286 --> 01:18:25,787
totality of it and we looked at

2396
01:18:25,787 --> 01:18:26,622
what the use was going to be and

2397
01:18:26,622 --> 01:18:27,220
we were able to see it was

2398
01:18:27,220 --> 01:18:27,990
appropriate.

2399
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:28,491
So I'm also going to support th

2400
01:18:28,491 --> 01:18:30,491
motion.

2401
01:18:31,427 --> 01:18:33,162
i just want to say to the staff

2402
01:18:33,162 --> 01:18:34,230
that it doesn't mean that we

2403
01:18:34,230 --> 01:18:34,764
don't have confidence in your

2404
01:18:34,764 --> 01:18:36,764
judgment.

2405
01:18:38,301 --> 01:18:40,700
It means that we're simply using

2406
01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:43,670
the judgment that we are given

2407
01:18:46,777 --> 01:18:47,645
to come to a different result.

2408
01:18:47,645 --> 01:18:48,111
>> ken hagan: commissioner

2409
01:18:48,111 --> 01:18:48,913
kemp.

2410
01:18:48,913 --> 01:18:50,382
>> pat kemp: yes, and thank you

2411
01:18:50,382 --> 01:18:52,149
for saying that, commissioner

2412
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:53,652
cohen, because I think it's

2413
01:18:53,652 --> 01:18:56,520
important and important for

2414
01:18:56,540 --> 01:18:59,324
staff as well as even I

2415
01:18:59,324 --> 01:19:01,324
mentioned earlier piece.

2416
01:19:02,728 --> 01:19:05,728
I appreciate the analysis, and

2417
01:19:07,801 --> 01:19:09,536
it gives me a thoughtful look at

2418
01:19:09,536 --> 01:19:13,136
what the policies are and a

2419
01:19:13,374 --> 01:19:15,643
little bit of extra thought

2420
01:19:15,643 --> 01:19:17,745
about why they were put in place

2421
01:19:17,745 --> 01:19:19,580
and what they do and how they

2422
01:19:19,580 --> 01:19:21,580
use our resources.

2423
01:19:21,682 --> 01:19:25,282
I talked about the urban service

2424
01:19:25,286 --> 01:19:27,723
area a lot, and density in terms

2425
01:19:27,723 --> 01:19:28,657
of that because what we're doing

2426
01:19:28,657 --> 01:19:29,358
is being able to use

2427
01:19:29,358 --> 01:19:30,325
infrastructure that's in place

2428
01:19:30,325 --> 01:19:33,829
and it's a massive problem for

2429
01:19:33,829 --> 01:19:35,464
the county that we don't have

2430
01:19:35,464 --> 01:19:38,201
infrastructure in place for a

2431
01:19:38,201 --> 01:19:39,102
ot of it and even in the urban

2432
01:19:39,102 --> 01:19:41,102
service area appropriate

2433
01:19:41,504 --> 01:19:42,205
infrastructure in place and

2434
01:19:42,205 --> 01:19:44,205
extending beyond it.

2435
01:19:44,975 --> 01:19:46,310
So I think the density is an

2436
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:47,645
important point, and I of course

2437
01:19:47,645 --> 01:19:50,450
will be supporting this.

2438
01:19:54,185 --> 01:19:55,186
I mean, but I appreciate

2439
01:19:55,186 --> 01:19:57,586
commissioner cohen, you pointing

2440
01:19:57,589 --> 01:20:00,920
that out because I just think

2441
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:00,592
it's, there is a lot of

2442
01:20:00,592 --> 01:20:01,727
thought.

2443
01:20:01,727 --> 01:20:04,664
It's made me think more when I

2444
01:20:04,664 --> 01:20:07,433
look at something about how we

2445
01:20:07,433 --> 01:20:08,568
do it and consider about what it

2446
01:20:08,568 --> 01:20:09,736
will be for the future.

2447
01:20:09,736 --> 01:20:11,504
So I

2448
01:20:11,504 --> 01:20:13,904
I think that's important,

2449
01:20:14,541 --> 01:20:15,750
and appreciate the staff

2450
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:15,809
analysis.

2451
01:20:15,809 --> 01:20:17,244
>> ken hagan: I just want to

2452
01:20:17,244 --> 01:20:18,913
thank all the board members for

2453
01:20:18,913 --> 01:20:20,782
all of your comments,

2454
01:20:20,782 --> 01:20:22,450
particularly commissioner

2455
01:20:22,450 --> 01:20:23,985
cameron cepeda's remarks.

2456
01:20:23,985 --> 01:20:27,255
I've toured this campus a number

2457
01:20:27,255 --> 01:20:29,240
of times through the years, and

2458
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:30,525
I got to tell you, I heard many

2459
01:20:30,525 --> 01:20:32,862
of the stories, and they bring

2460
01:20:32,862 --> 01:20:34,630
tears to your eyes.

2461
01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:35,464
I mean, they really do, and they

2462
01:20:35,464 --> 01:20:35,931
are doing remarkable things

2463
01:20:35,931 --> 01:20:37,931
there.

2464
01:20:40,703 --> 01:20:41,204
This is a beautiful rural

2465
01:20:41,204 --> 01:20:41,938
campus.

2466
01:20:41,938 --> 01:20:43,139
In addition troo

2467
01:20:43,139 --> 01:20:44,400
to some of the

2468
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:45,575
amenities they showed they've

2469
01:20:45,575 --> 01:20:46,777
got an unbelieve

2470
01:20:46,777 --> 01:20:48,612
believable

2471
01:20:48,612 --> 01:20:49,513
indoor basketball court, I'm

2472
01:20:49,513 --> 01:20:50,147
surprised they didn't show that

2473
01:20:50,147 --> 01:20:51,349
as well.

2474
01:20:51,349 --> 01:20:54,852
But I'm very proud we're going

2475
01:20:54,852 --> 01:20:57,255
to approve this unanimously and

2476
01:20:57,255 --> 01:20:59,224
again in all my time on this

2477
01:20:59,224 --> 01:21:00,225
board I have gotten not one

2478
01:21:00,225 --> 01:21:00,759
complaint to this organization,

2479
01:21:00,759 --> 01:21:01,760
not one.

2480
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:02,761
So I think that is a great

2481
01:21:02,761 --> 01:21:03,620
testament to the work they are

2482
01:21:03,620 --> 01:21:04,960
doing.

2483
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:04,430
So very pleased to support the

2484
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:05,264
motion.

2485
01:21:05,264 --> 01:21:07,264
Please regard

2486
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,000
record your vote.

2487
01:21:10,637 --> 01:21:11,404
>> motion carried 7-0.

2488
01:21:11,404 --> 01:21:11,671
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

2489
01:21:11,671 --> 01:21:13,600
you.

2490
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:13,973
Next item.

2491
01:21:13,973 --> 01:21:16,309
>> commissioners, the next item

2492
01:21:16,309 --> 01:21:18,709
is agenda item f 5.

2493
01:21:19,413 --> 01:21:22,413
This is rezoning pd 23-0257.

2494
01:21:22,783 --> 01:21:23,784
This is a request to rezone a

2495
01:21:23,784 --> 01:21:25,553
2.5-acre parcel that's on the

2496
01:21:25,553 --> 01:21:26,654
north side of bloomingdale

2497
01:21:26,654 --> 01:21:27,956
avenue just west of the

2498
01:21:27,956 --> 01:21:28,857
intersection of bloomingdale and

2499
01:21:28,857 --> 01:21:30,857
providence road.

2500
01:21:31,693 --> 01:21:34,530
The request is to rezone from

2501
01:21:34,530 --> 01:21:35,497
asc-1 to a planned development

2502
01:21:35,497 --> 01:21:36,865
for 100-bed community

2503
01:21:36,865 --> 01:21:39,865
residential home which would be

2504
01:21:41,771 --> 01:21:44,171
an assisted living facility.

2505
01:21:45,275 --> 01:21:46,576
Per the site plan, again, this

2506
01:21:46,576 --> 01:21:49,513
is a proposed site plan.

2507
01:21:49,513 --> 01:21:50,180
I would note that per the

2508
01:21:50,180 --> 01:21:50,881
requirements for community

2509
01:21:50,881 --> 01:21:52,817
residential home there is a

2510
01:21:52,817 --> 01:21:54,817
requirement for 500-foot

2511
01:21:56,955 --> 01:21:57,655
separation from a residential

2512
01:21:57,655 --> 01:21:59,257
single-family zoning district

2513
01:21:59,257 --> 01:21:59,724
which would be to the north of

2514
01:21:59,724 --> 01:22:01,660
that.

2515
01:22:01,660 --> 01:22:03,528
Staff is supportive of that

2516
01:22:03,528 --> 01:22:04,430
waiver given the fact that the

2517
01:22:04,430 --> 01:22:07,266
parcel to the immediate west is

2518
01:22:07,266 --> 01:22:09,869
a planned development that's res

2519
01:22:09,869 --> 01:22:12,505
20 and the plan is permitted and

2520
01:22:12,505 --> 01:22:14,574
being instructed with multi --

2521
01:22:14,574 --> 01:22:15,342
constructed with multifamily

2522
01:22:15,342 --> 01:22:17,342
multistory.

2523
01:22:17,344 --> 01:22:19,413
An increased setback and buffer

2524
01:22:19,413 --> 01:22:19,947
are being proposed along the

2525
01:22:19,947 --> 01:22:20,748
property.

2526
01:22:20,748 --> 01:22:21,882
They are providing compliant

2527
01:22:21,882 --> 01:22:23,784
buffering to the east and west

2528
01:22:23,784 --> 01:22:24,719
but they have also asked for

2529
01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:26,854
relief from requirements for

2530
01:22:26,854 --> 01:22:27,689
additional two to one setback

2531
01:22:27,689 --> 01:22:29,791
for additional structure height

2532
01:22:29,791 --> 01:22:31,660
for the two-story structure.

2533
01:22:31,660 --> 01:22:32,427
Staff is supportive of that

2534
01:22:32,427 --> 01:22:33,629
given the surrounding

2535
01:22:33,629 --> 01:22:34,496
development pattern and given

2536
01:22:34,496 --> 01:22:35,831
the proposed site plan.

2537
01:22:35,831 --> 01:22:36,365
Therefore, staff is recommending

2538
01:22:36,365 --> 01:22:37,333
approval.

2539
01:22:37,333 --> 01:22:38,534
It was also found consistent

2540
01:22:38,534 --> 01:22:39,869
bite planning commission and the

2541
01:22:39,869 --> 01:22:40,603
hearing officer is also

2542
01:22:40,603 --> 01:22:41,704
recommending approval.

2543
01:22:41,704 --> 01:22:42,238
Staff's available for any

2544
01:22:42,238 --> 01:22:42,839
questions.

2545
01:22:42,839 --> 01:22:43,740
Thank you.

2546
01:22:43,740 --> 01:22:44,700
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

2547
01:22:44,700 --> 01:22:46,700
you.

2548
01:22:48,278 --> 01:22:49,279
Is the applicant here?

2549
01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:51,279
Good morning again.

2550
01:22:51,282 --> 01:22:53,282
>> good morning, commissioners.

2551
01:22:53,951 --> 01:22:56,351
todd pressman, 200 second avenue

2552
01:22:56,687 --> 01:22:57,322
south, number 451 in

2553
01:22:57,322 --> 01:22:59,322
st. Petersburg.

2554
01:23:00,525 --> 01:23:02,525
Powerpoint for you.

2555
01:23:02,928 --> 01:23:03,395
We're located in the brandon

2556
01:23:03,395 --> 01:23:05,395
area.

2557
01:23:05,764 --> 01:23:08,734
Property appraiser has it shown

2558
01:23:08,734 --> 01:23:10,703
in the red lines here.

2559
01:23:10,703 --> 01:23:13,740
We are located just north of

2560
01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:15,208
state road 60.

2561
01:23:15,208 --> 01:23:17,477
Seeking a type c community

2562
01:23:17,477 --> 01:23:17,978
residential home with a 100-bed

2563
01:23:17,978 --> 01:23:19,680
maximum.

2564
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,182
This would be an assisted living

2565
01:23:22,182 --> 01:23:24,585
for senior citizens and disabled

2566
01:23:24,585 --> 01:23:26,888
folks needing assisted daily

2567
01:23:26,888 --> 01:23:27,455
care.

2568
01:23:27,455 --> 01:23:28,623
2.49 acres.

2569
01:23:28,623 --> 01:23:29,857
So it's the type of use that

2570
01:23:29,857 --> 01:23:31,493
would have a common dining room

2571
01:23:31,493 --> 01:23:32,861
that ld residents would use --

2572
01:23:32,861 --> 01:23:33,695
all the residents would use.

2573
01:23:33,695 --> 01:23:35,695
Transportation provided and

2574
01:23:37,700 --> 01:23:38,233
daily living support is

2575
01:23:38,233 --> 01:23:39,435
provided.

2576
01:23:39,435 --> 01:23:42,435
Nurse provides some care through

2577
01:23:43,478 --> 01:23:43,806
license through ahca.

2578
01:23:43,806 --> 01:23:47,406
In harmony with the ldc planning

2579
01:23:47,744 --> 01:23:48,311
commission also finds it

2580
01:23:48,311 --> 01:23:48,979
consistent.

2581
01:23:48,979 --> 01:23:49,746
You can see the project site

2582
01:23:49,746 --> 01:23:51,615
here in red.

2583
01:23:51,615 --> 01:23:53,784
The applicant owns the property

2584
01:23:53,784 --> 01:23:55,986
in front as you can see which is

2585
01:23:55,986 --> 01:23:57,986
highlighted unyellow.

2586
01:23:58,389 --> 01:24:00,892
Next to an auto repair and

2587
01:24:00,892 --> 01:24:02,661
walgreens, and to the east is

2588
01:24:02,661 --> 01:24:03,462
the somerville apartments being

2589
01:24:03,462 --> 01:24:04,729
constructed at the moment.

2590
01:24:04,729 --> 01:24:06,931
So access would be through the

2591
01:24:06,931 --> 01:24:08,133
applicant's ownership of the

2592
01:24:08,133 --> 01:24:08,867
property, I'm sorry, it says

2593
01:24:08,867 --> 01:24:10,867
state road 60.

2594
01:24:11,404 --> 01:24:13,404
It's bloomingdale avenue.

2595
01:24:15,308 --> 01:24:16,109
And the side street is

2596
01:24:16,109 --> 01:24:17,343
providence.

2597
01:24:17,343 --> 01:24:18,812
DR. Nurani is one of the best

2598
01:24:18,812 --> 01:24:21,140
primary care doctors in

2599
01:24:21,140 --> 01:24:22,883
riverview area.

2600
01:24:22,883 --> 01:24:24,510
She has been in practice for 20

2601
01:24:24,510 --> 01:24:25,819
years, has had a lot of training

2602
01:24:25,819 --> 01:24:27,354
in hospice care.

2603
01:24:27,354 --> 01:24:29,354
She's predominantly been

2604
01:24:29,457 --> 01:24:31,457
servicing over 65-year-old

2605
01:24:32,294 --> 01:24:32,761
persons which would now include

2606
01:24:32,761 --> 01:24:34,596
myself.

2607
01:24:34,596 --> 01:24:35,931
And accomplish a lot of nursing

2608
01:24:35,931 --> 01:24:37,332
home assisted living work

2609
01:24:37,332 --> 01:24:39,332
throughout her career.

2610
01:24:39,735 --> 01:24:42,380
She's a primary care physician,

2611
01:24:42,380 --> 01:24:43,773
received her medical degree, and

2612
01:24:43,773 --> 01:24:46,173
completed her residency in

2613
01:24:46,175 --> 01:24:46,776
family medicine in

2614
01:24:46,776 --> 01:24:48,378
pennsylvania.

2615
01:24:48,378 --> 01:24:50,447
So we're in the smu-6 future

2616
01:24:50,447 --> 01:24:51,648
land use category, which

2617
01:24:51,648 --> 01:24:53,648
includes suburban commercial

2618
01:24:54,585 --> 01:24:55,686
offices, light industrial.

2619
01:24:55,686 --> 01:24:57,221
It supports this use and many

2620
01:24:57,221 --> 01:24:58,389
more uses.

2621
01:24:58,389 --> 01:24:59,290
We're seeking a flex a little

2622
01:24:59,290 --> 01:25:00,458
bit from the east side which

2623
01:25:00,458 --> 01:25:01,492
will allow us to increase the

2624
01:25:01,492 --> 01:25:03,892
density a little bit.

2625
01:25:04,462 --> 01:25:05,997
That's just part of the zoning.

2626
01:25:05,997 --> 01:25:08,834
And zoning as you can see is

2627
01:25:08,834 --> 01:25:12,104
mostly pd but as I've shown you

2628
01:25:12,104 --> 01:25:14,504
it's commercial intensive and

2629
01:25:14,607 --> 01:25:17,700
also multifamily density coming

2630
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:18,945
in by the project to the east.

2631
01:25:18,945 --> 01:25:20,800
Approved for four-story

2632
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:20,780
apartments which is higher than

2633
01:25:20,780 --> 01:25:23,780
what we will be, and

2634
01:25:25,586 --> 01:25:26,530
single-family homes to the

2635
01:25:26,530 --> 01:25:26,754
rear.

2636
01:25:26,754 --> 01:25:29,323
According to our peak hour it

2637
01:25:29,323 --> 01:25:30,858
would be 26 additional trips,

2638
01:25:30,858 --> 01:25:32,694
and a detailed traffic analysis

2639
01:25:32,694 --> 01:25:34,696
was actually not required

2640
01:25:34,696 --> 01:25:36,665
because the trip analysis or the

2641
01:25:36,665 --> 01:25:38,299
trip amount would be, is too low

2642
01:25:38,299 --> 01:25:40,299
for the alf.

2643
01:25:41,904 --> 01:25:43,906
So one of the nice facets of the

2644
01:25:43,906 --> 01:25:44,874
ALFs is a very low trip rate.

2645
01:25:44,874 --> 01:25:46,750
In fact as I work with them,

2646
01:25:46,750 --> 01:25:47,510
they wish there was a higher

2647
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:48,645
trip rate that more people would

2648
01:25:48,645 --> 01:25:49,579
come and family would come and

2649
01:25:49,579 --> 01:25:51,810
visit them during the week.

2650
01:25:51,810 --> 01:25:51,548
So this is the proposed pd

2651
01:25:51,548 --> 01:25:53,548
plan.

2652
01:25:54,510 --> 01:25:56,220
It comes in a number of parts.

2653
01:25:56,220 --> 01:25:56,720
In the rear is the 35-foot

2654
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,456
buffer.

2655
01:25:58,456 --> 01:25:59,356
Screening is 10-foot type b or

2656
01:25:59,356 --> 01:26:00,858
the natural growth that's left

2657
01:26:00,858 --> 01:26:02,193
which is much larger and denser

2658
01:26:02,193 --> 01:26:05,230
I'll show you in a minute.

2659
01:26:05,230 --> 01:26:06,231
And then we're providing a

2660
01:26:06,231 --> 01:26:08,400
108-foot building setback that

2661
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:08,867
we call a passive activity

2662
01:26:08,867 --> 01:26:10,569
area.

2663
01:26:10,569 --> 01:26:11,403
That's done specifically for the

2664
01:26:11,403 --> 01:26:13,439
single-family that's on the

2665
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:14,440
other hand.

2666
01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:16,709
In the middle is the building

2667
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:17,610
area which would be the assisted

2668
01:26:17,610 --> 01:26:19,245
living facility and in front of

2669
01:26:19,245 --> 01:26:21,314
that would be the vehicular area

2670
01:26:21,314 --> 01:26:23,714
of circulation and dropoffs.

2671
01:26:24,485 --> 01:26:26,353
And then again, their existing

2672
01:26:26,353 --> 01:26:28,189
offices for medical is located

2673
01:26:28,189 --> 01:26:29,957
directly in the front.

2674
01:26:29,957 --> 01:26:32,590
There are a long list of

2675
01:26:32,590 --> 01:26:34,129
conditions in terms of how the

2676
01:26:34,129 --> 01:26:36,129
building will look.

2677
01:26:36,764 --> 01:26:37,666
And these are very specific laid

2678
01:26:37,666 --> 01:26:41,570
out by your staff to be sure

2679
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:43,305
that it remains and it tails

2680
01:26:43,305 --> 01:26:43,839
itself to be residential

2681
01:26:43,839 --> 01:26:45,174
character.

2682
01:26:45,174 --> 01:26:48,174
Abutting approving on the west,

2683
01:26:49,546 --> 01:26:50,379
so to the west is a four-story

2684
01:26:50,379 --> 01:26:51,470
multifamily 210420 they have

2685
01:26:51,470 --> 01:26:53,447
begun construction on that.

2686
01:26:57,121 --> 01:26:58,856
We will be lowering than that.

2687
01:26:58,856 --> 01:27:00,491
, and they're providing a

2688
01:27:00,491 --> 01:27:02,793
60-foot rear setback, while

2689
01:27:02,793 --> 01:27:04,663
we're providing a number of

2690
01:27:04,663 --> 01:27:05,897
times more greater setback than

2691
01:27:05,897 --> 01:27:06,631
what's being placed in next door

2692
01:27:06,631 --> 01:27:08,660
on the west.

2693
01:27:08,660 --> 01:27:11,666
On the east side is two

2694
01:27:15,407 --> 01:27:17,807
residential structures with very

2695
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:20,213
significant setbacks.

2696
01:27:20,213 --> 01:27:21,447
128 feet.

2697
01:27:21,447 --> 01:27:22,749
174 feet to the residential

2698
01:27:22,749 --> 01:27:25,520
structure, and there is a small

2699
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:25,919
accessory unit that's a little

2700
01:27:25,919 --> 01:27:27,154
closer.

2701
01:27:27,154 --> 01:27:29,657
so this is the rear existing

2702
01:27:29,657 --> 01:27:30,558
buffer as I've indicated in the

2703
01:27:30,558 --> 01:27:31,859
conditions it's either what the

2704
01:27:31,859 --> 01:27:33,160
county provides which is many,

2705
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:34,395
many, many times less than that,

2706
01:27:34,395 --> 01:27:35,530
so we have the option to either

2707
01:27:35,530 --> 01:27:37,665
leave this which of course we

2708
01:27:37,665 --> 01:27:39,668
want to leave so it's a nice,

2709
01:27:39,668 --> 01:27:42,668
dense, thick, high buffer, much

2710
01:27:42,938 --> 01:27:43,439
more than what's required by the

2711
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,439
county.

2712
01:27:45,841 --> 01:27:48,711
This is another shot of the or

2713
01:27:48,711 --> 01:27:50,713
the side of the rear buffer.

2714
01:27:50,713 --> 01:27:51,614
MR. Grady went through the

2715
01:27:51,614 --> 01:27:53,884
buffers which are all supported

2716
01:27:53,884 --> 01:27:55,185
by the staff, and the height

2717
01:27:55,185 --> 01:27:57,585
requires two additional setback

2718
01:27:57,888 --> 01:27:59,790
for a foot over 20 and supports

2719
01:27:59,790 --> 01:28:00,857
on the west side that we're

2720
01:28:00,857 --> 01:28:02,927
closer because it's the

2721
01:28:02,927 --> 01:28:05,327
multifamily four-story, it's an

2722
01:28:09,670 --> 01:28:09,834
easy element to support.

2723
01:28:09,834 --> 01:28:11,103
MR. Grady went through

2724
01:28:11,103 --> 01:28:12,170
variations on the buffer as

2725
01:28:12,170 --> 01:28:15,770
well, which is supported by the

2726
01:28:17,176 --> 01:28:18,945
staff.

2727
01:28:18,945 --> 01:28:21,114
The buffer is 68 feet away and

2728
01:28:21,114 --> 01:28:23,114
they're installing significant

2729
01:28:23,650 --> 01:28:24,717
screening and to the north we

2730
01:28:24,717 --> 01:28:25,852
provided substantial distancing

2731
01:28:25,852 --> 01:28:26,920
and landscaping as I've shown

2732
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,920
you.

2733
01:28:29,890 --> 01:28:31,525
Planning commission notes we're

2734
01:28:31,525 --> 01:28:32,960
compatible and that it's a good

2735
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,610
transition between the uses

2736
01:28:34,610 --> 01:28:36,130
located in the south and the

2737
01:28:36,130 --> 01:28:37,765
residential uses.

2738
01:28:37,765 --> 01:28:39,434
Request also meets the intent of

2739
01:28:39,434 --> 01:28:40,936
the brandon community plan which

2740
01:28:40,936 --> 01:28:43,138
seeks to concentrate density in

2741
01:28:43,138 --> 01:28:45,138
the urban area.

2742
01:28:46,542 --> 01:28:47,900
We did host a community

2743
01:28:47,900 --> 01:28:49,900
meeting.

2744
01:28:49,245 --> 01:28:52,114
We had five residents show up.

2745
01:28:52,114 --> 01:28:54,284
We noticed 32 residents rvetle

2746
01:28:54,284 --> 01:28:56,284
I'm

2747
01:28:58,789 --> 01:29:00,624
, 59 residents were noticed

2748
01:29:00,624 --> 01:29:02,860
within the 500-foot radius.

2749
01:29:02,860 --> 01:29:03,962
That was a very good meeting.

2750
01:29:03,962 --> 01:29:07,980
We have had no opposition from

2751
01:29:07,980 --> 01:29:08,166
that meeting and when I last

2752
01:29:08,166 --> 01:29:10,936
checked the record we have had

2753
01:29:10,936 --> 01:29:11,303
no calls or concerns from

2754
01:29:11,303 --> 01:29:13,303
neighbors.

2755
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:14,339
So with that this is a use that

2756
01:29:14,339 --> 01:29:14,806
generates low trips needed in

2757
01:29:14,806 --> 01:29:15,808
the area.

2758
01:29:15,808 --> 01:29:17,476
This is the kind of place that

2759
01:29:17,476 --> 01:29:18,577
we want to have our mothers,

2760
01:29:18,577 --> 01:29:19,578
fathers, grandmothers, and

2761
01:29:19,578 --> 01:29:22,578
grandfathers, this is where we

2762
01:29:24,818 --> 01:29:26,520
would like them to be and new

2763
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:27,554
residential-like settings in a

2764
01:29:27,554 --> 01:29:29,954
residential area not sterile

2765
01:29:31,925 --> 01:29:33,925
commercial areas.

2766
01:29:36,231 --> 01:29:37,532
And uses support for assisted

2767
01:29:37,532 --> 01:29:38,833
living for meals and assistance

2768
01:29:38,833 --> 01:29:39,434
and transportation, things of

2769
01:29:39,434 --> 01:29:41,434
that nature.

2770
01:29:41,903 --> 01:29:42,904
So with that we appreciate your

2771
01:29:42,904 --> 01:29:44,904
consideration and review.

2772
01:29:45,407 --> 01:29:47,407
Thank you.

2773
01:29:47,509 --> 01:29:48,911
>> ken hagan: is anyone here in

2774
01:29:48,911 --> 01:29:50,547
support of the application?

2775
01:29:50,547 --> 01:29:52,114
Anyone in opposition?

2776
01:29:52,114 --> 01:29:53,516
Planning commission?

2777
01:29:53,516 --> 01:29:54,283
>> thank you, melissa lienhard,

2778
01:29:54,283 --> 01:29:55,919
planning commission staff.

2779
01:29:55,919 --> 01:29:57,487
The subject property is located

2780
01:29:57,487 --> 01:30:00,487
in the suburban mixed use 6

2781
01:30:00,624 --> 01:30:01,558
future land use category.

2782
01:30:01,558 --> 01:30:02,259
It is in the urban service area

2783
01:30:02,259 --> 01:30:04,228
and also within the limits of

2784
01:30:04,228 --> 01:30:06,970
the brandon community plan.

2785
01:30:06,970 --> 01:30:07,398
The proposed rezoning meets the

2786
01:30:07,398 --> 01:30:10,398
intent of future land use

2787
01:30:10,768 --> 01:30:11,603
element policy 1.4 relative to

2788
01:30:11,603 --> 01:30:13,305
compatibility of the request

2789
01:30:13,305 --> 01:30:14,940
with the surrounding area.

2790
01:30:14,940 --> 01:30:16,408
The subject site is adjacent to

2791
01:30:16,408 --> 01:30:18,100
single-family uses to the north,

2792
01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:19,111
west, and east.

2793
01:30:19,111 --> 01:30:20,679
Heavy commercial uses are

2794
01:30:20,679 --> 01:30:21,847
adjacent to the southwest, and

2795
01:30:21,847 --> 01:30:24,247
light commercial uses are

2796
01:30:24,484 --> 01:30:25,180
adjacent to the south and

2797
01:30:25,180 --> 01:30:25,919
southeast.

2798
01:30:25,919 --> 01:30:26,920
The proposed rezoning is

2799
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:27,821
compatible with the existing

2800
01:30:27,821 --> 01:30:29,890
development pattern as it

2801
01:30:29,890 --> 01:30:31,292
provides for an adequate

2802
01:30:31,292 --> 01:30:33,160
transition between the intensive

2803
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,696
uses located south and the

2804
01:30:35,696 --> 01:30:36,130
residential uses located to the

2805
01:30:36,130 --> 01:30:37,980
north.

2806
01:30:37,980 --> 01:30:38,299
The provided buffering and

2807
01:30:38,299 --> 01:30:40,502
building placement will also

2808
01:30:40,502 --> 01:30:42,902
help ensure compatibility within

2809
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:47,543
nearby single-family residential

2810
01:30:47,543 --> 01:30:49,543
uses.

2811
01:30:49,812 --> 01:30:50,646
It will require a flex of

2812
01:30:50,646 --> 01:30:51,948
residential 6 located to the

2813
01:30:51,948 --> 01:30:53,316
west on approximately 1 quarter

2814
01:30:53,316 --> 01:30:55,184
of the subject property.

2815
01:30:55,184 --> 01:30:56,386
Future land use element policy

2816
01:30:56,386 --> 01:30:57,921
7.3 allows for the consideration

2817
01:30:57,921 --> 01:30:59,921
of flex requests.

2818
01:31:00,230 --> 01:31:01,910
A flex must demonstrate how it

2819
01:31:01,910 --> 01:31:03,910
furthers other goals,

2820
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:04,294
objectives, and policies of the

2821
01:31:04,294 --> 01:31:05,930
comprehensive plan, and in this

2822
01:31:05,930 --> 01:31:09,530
case, the flex would encourage a

2823
01:31:09,534 --> 01:31:11,603
higher level of density within

2824
01:31:11,603 --> 01:31:12,704
the urban service area while

2825
01:31:12,704 --> 01:31:14,339
also providing adequate

2826
01:31:14,339 --> 01:31:16,339
opportunities for connectivity

2827
01:31:16,375 --> 01:31:17,209
through the use of stub-outs to

2828
01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:18,243
the south end of the site.

2829
01:31:18,243 --> 01:31:21,647
The flex request and the nature

2830
01:31:21,647 --> 01:31:22,882
of the proposed assisted living

2831
01:31:22,882 --> 01:31:23,749
facility are compatible with the

2832
01:31:23,749 --> 01:31:24,918
surrounding development pattern

2833
01:31:24,918 --> 01:31:26,719
and contribute to the use of

2834
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:27,587
ranges allowed within the smu-6

2835
01:31:27,587 --> 01:31:29,423
future land use category.

2836
01:31:29,423 --> 01:31:31,525
The request also meets the

2837
01:31:31,525 --> 01:31:33,727
intent of the brandon community

2838
01:31:33,727 --> 01:31:35,129
plan, which seeks to concentrate

2839
01:31:35,129 --> 01:31:36,463
density in the urban general

2840
01:31:36,463 --> 01:31:38,863
character district while also

2841
01:31:39,166 --> 01:31:40,468
ensuring that all changes be

2842
01:31:40,468 --> 01:31:41,569
compatible to the, to preserve

2843
01:31:41,569 --> 01:31:43,338
existing neighborhoods.

2844
01:31:43,338 --> 01:31:44,673
The proposed use provides an

2845
01:31:44,673 --> 01:31:47,730
adequate transition of intensity

2846
01:31:47,275 --> 01:31:48,143
between the commercial uses

2847
01:31:48,143 --> 01:31:50,543
located south and the

2848
01:31:50,779 --> 01:31:51,914
residential uses located north

2849
01:31:51,914 --> 01:31:53,150
and is therefore consistent with

2850
01:31:53,150 --> 01:31:54,383
this goal.

2851
01:31:54,383 --> 01:31:55,618
based upon this information,

2852
01:31:55,618 --> 01:31:57,618
planning commission staff

2853
01:31:58,855 --> 01:31:59,389
recommends approval o the flex

2854
01:31:59,389 --> 01:32:00,957
request.

2855
01:32:00,957 --> 01:32:01,858
Future land use element

2856
01:32:01,858 --> 01:32:02,726
objective 17 allows for the

2857
01:32:02,726 --> 01:32:04,726
consideration of residential

2858
01:32:04,795 --> 01:32:05,796
support uses within

2859
01:32:05,796 --> 01:32:07,631
neighborhoods, so long as they

2860
01:32:07,631 --> 01:32:09,800
are compatible with the surp

2861
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:10,134
surrounding development

2862
01:32:10,134 --> 01:32:11,235
pattern.

2863
01:32:11,235 --> 01:32:12,103
Assisted living facilities are

2864
01:32:12,103 --> 01:32:13,437
considered residential support

2865
01:32:13,437 --> 01:32:15,730
uses under this policy, and the

2866
01:32:15,730 --> 01:32:15,974
proposed request will allow for

2867
01:32:15,974 --> 01:32:17,709
development that is appropriate

2868
01:32:17,709 --> 01:32:21,309
in scale and intensity for the

2869
01:32:21,313 --> 01:32:22,214
surrounding land uses, and is

2870
01:32:22,214 --> 01:32:23,182
therefore consistent with the

2871
01:32:23,182 --> 01:32:24,717
neighborhood and community

2872
01:32:24,717 --> 01:32:26,786
serving uses policy direction.

2873
01:32:26,786 --> 01:32:27,687
Based upon those considerations,

2874
01:32:27,687 --> 01:32:29,289
planning commission staff finds

2875
01:32:29,289 --> 01:32:31,570
the proposed planned development

2876
01:32:31,570 --> 01:32:31,892
consistent with the

2877
01:32:31,892 --> 01:32:33,892
unincorporated hillsborough

2878
01:32:33,994 --> 01:32:35,562
county comprehensive plan

2879
01:32:35,562 --> 01:32:36,196
subject to the conditions

2880
01:32:36,196 --> 01:32:36,731
proposed by development

2881
01:32:36,731 --> 01:32:37,980
services.

2882
01:32:37,980 --> 01:32:37,832
Thank you.

2883
01:32:37,832 --> 01:32:40,232
>> ken hagan: zoning hearing

2884
01:32:42,904 --> 01:32:43,772
master?

2885
01:32:43,772 --> 01:32:44,405
>> the zoning hearing master

2886
01:32:44,405 --> 01:32:45,206
considered the applicant's

2887
01:32:45,206 --> 01:32:46,108
request to rezone the subject

2888
01:32:46,108 --> 01:32:47,800
property to a planned

2889
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:48,577
development to allow development

2890
01:32:48,577 --> 01:32:50,879
of a community residential home

2891
01:32:50,879 --> 01:32:54,479
type c with a maximum of 100

2892
01:32:54,483 --> 01:32:56,180
placed residents.

2893
01:32:56,180 --> 01:32:57,119
The applicant's site plan shows

2894
01:32:57,119 --> 01:32:58,988
the proposed residential home

2895
01:32:58,988 --> 01:33:02,588
will consist of two stories with

2896
01:33:03,260 --> 01:33:06,260
a total of 27,265 square feet

2897
01:33:06,864 --> 01:33:07,632
and will be a maximum of 35 feet

2898
01:33:07,632 --> 01:33:09,267
tall.

2899
01:33:09,267 --> 01:33:10,267
The zoning hearing master

2900
01:33:10,267 --> 01:33:11,602
summarized the waivers from the

2901
01:33:11,602 --> 01:33:14,602
land development code that have

2902
01:33:14,973 --> 01:33:17,973
been requested by the applicant

2903
01:33:18,710 --> 01:33:19,277
associated with this planned

2904
01:33:19,277 --> 01:33:20,445
development.

2905
01:33:20,445 --> 01:33:21,880
The first is a waiver of the

2906
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,820
requirement that a type a

2907
01:33:23,820 --> 01:33:25,482
community residential home not

2908
01:33:25,818 --> 01:33:28,555
be located within the radius of

2909
01:33:28,555 --> 01:33:29,756
500 feet of an area of

2910
01:33:29,756 --> 01:33:30,256
nonagricultural single-family

2911
01:33:30,256 --> 01:33:32,256
zoning.

2912
01:33:32,292 --> 01:33:34,692
Additionally, the applicant has

2913
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:40,100
requested a pd variation to ldc

2914
01:33:40,100 --> 01:33:42,100
part 6.06.00 regarding buffering

2915
01:33:45,173 --> 01:33:46,700
and screening.

2916
01:33:46,700 --> 01:33:49,700
Additionally there has been a

2917
01:33:50,645 --> 01:33:51,513
request for waiver of section

2918
01:33:51,513 --> 01:33:52,814
6.01.01 which provides for

2919
01:33:52,814 --> 01:33:55,170
structures with a permitted

2920
01:33:55,170 --> 01:33:57,417
height greater than 20 feet.

2921
01:33:57,453 --> 01:33:58,954
Must be setback an additional

2922
01:33:58,954 --> 01:34:03,154
two feet for every one foot of

2923
01:34:03,493 --> 01:34:04,361
structure height over 20 feet.

2924
01:34:04,361 --> 01:34:05,228
The zoning hearing master

2925
01:34:05,228 --> 01:34:06,530
reviewed the waiver and

2926
01:34:06,530 --> 01:34:09,530
variation request and found them

2927
01:34:09,934 --> 01:34:11,302
to be supportable.

2928
01:34:11,302 --> 01:34:13,702
Furthermore, the zoning hearing

2929
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:14,806
master summarized the

2930
01:34:14,806 --> 01:34:16,806
recommendations of the

2931
01:34:17,275 --> 01:34:19,275
development services department

2932
01:34:19,578 --> 01:34:21,747
staff which found the proposed

2933
01:34:21,747 --> 01:34:23,849
pd rezoning to be supportable

2934
01:34:23,849 --> 01:34:26,685
based on the conditions proposed

2935
01:34:26,685 --> 01:34:28,187
by the applicant.

2936
01:34:28,187 --> 01:34:29,856
The planning commission staff as

2937
01:34:29,856 --> 01:34:32,459
you heard is also supportive of

2938
01:34:32,459 --> 01:34:34,127
this proposed rezoning.

2939
01:34:34,127 --> 01:34:36,527
The zoning hearing master

2940
01:34:37,297 --> 01:34:40,268
concluded that the request for

2941
01:34:40,268 --> 01:34:42,668
pd rezoning is supportable,

2942
01:34:44,500 --> 01:34:46,500
recommended approval, and

2943
01:34:46,741 --> 01:34:48,710
concluded that the request was

2944
01:34:48,710 --> 01:34:49,844
supportable in connection with

2945
01:34:49,844 --> 01:34:52,844
the comprehensive plan and land

2946
01:34:53,282 --> 01:34:55,282
development code.

2947
01:34:55,784 --> 01:34:56,252
>> ken hagan: commissioner

2948
01:34:56,252 --> 01:34:57,553
owen.

2949
01:34:57,553 --> 01:34:59,880
>> michael owen: thank you,

2950
01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:00,823
MR. CHAIRMAN.

2951
01:35:00,823 --> 01:35:02,492
mr. Pressman, on this, so the,

2952
01:35:02,492 --> 01:35:04,327
and I just want to clarify, this

2953
01:35:04,327 --> 01:35:05,428
is a highly unimproved road

2954
01:35:05,428 --> 01:35:06,620
bloomingdale just to let

2955
01:35:06,620 --> 01:35:08,620
everybody know.

2956
01:35:08,265 --> 01:35:10,267
We got to be very careful on

2957
01:35:10,267 --> 01:35:10,734
approving high reses on this

2958
01:35:10,734 --> 01:35:12,570
road.

2959
01:35:12,570 --> 01:35:13,938
I know it's your, this is your

2960
01:35:13,938 --> 01:35:15,974
district, but I still get the

2961
01:35:15,974 --> 01:35:18,176
phone calls I think because it's

2962
01:35:18,176 --> 01:35:20,445
new in your district.

2963
01:35:20,445 --> 01:35:21,646
So the ingress and egress as to

2964
01:35:21,646 --> 01:35:22,848
this, so will providence have

2965
01:35:22,848 --> 01:35:25,718
access to this as well

2966
01:35:25,718 --> 01:35:27,920
bloomingdale, or how -- I know

2967
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:29,555
hancock tires is next to it and

2968
01:35:29,555 --> 01:35:31,858
then we got a walgreens and then

2969
01:35:31,858 --> 01:35:33,926
a townhome community behind that

2970
01:35:33,926 --> 01:35:35,610
and then winthrop up front.

2971
01:35:35,610 --> 01:35:39,861
I want to make sure I have that

2972
01:35:53,515 --> 01:35:53,982
right on the inress and egress

2973
01:35:53,982 --> 01:35:55,982
here.

2974
01:35:59,422 --> 01:36:01,822
>> excuse me, I'm sorry.

2975
01:36:03,259 --> 01:36:04,930
Access is on bloomingdale.

2976
01:36:04,930 --> 01:36:07,630
>> michael owen: access just on

2977
01:36:07,630 --> 01:36:07,631
bloomingdale and not off

2978
01:36:07,631 --> 01:36:08,232
providence?

2979
01:36:08,232 --> 01:36:09,933
>> right.

2980
01:36:09,933 --> 01:36:10,667
>> I'm.

2981
01:36:10,667 --> 01:36:12,200
>> michael owen: I'm not

2982
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:13,103
concerned about this because

2983
01:36:13,103 --> 01:36:14,104
it's assisted living.

2984
01:36:14,104 --> 01:36:15,500
I don't think we're going to

2985
01:36:15,500 --> 01:36:15,673
have rush hour traffic or

2986
01:36:15,673 --> 01:36:17,673
anything like that.

2987
01:36:17,809 --> 01:36:18,976
I didn't know this was nurani's

2988
01:36:18,976 --> 01:36:20,979
property, nurani medical is one

2989
01:36:20,979 --> 01:36:22,414
of the largest primary care

2990
01:36:22,414 --> 01:36:24,383
folks for our district.

2991
01:36:24,383 --> 01:36:24,850
They do a great job, wonderful

2992
01:36:24,850 --> 01:36:25,784
people.

2993
01:36:25,784 --> 01:36:27,419
Is this some type of an

2994
01:36:27,419 --> 01:36:29,880
extension of their -- I mean

2995
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:30,923
of -- does this has nothing to

2996
01:36:30,923 --> 01:36:32,257
do with their medical facility

2997
01:36:32,257 --> 01:36:33,159
though, correct?

2998
01:36:33,159 --> 01:36:36,159
>> well, that's one nice thing

2999
01:36:37,497 --> 01:36:41,702
is she will act as of course a

3000
01:36:41,702 --> 01:36:42,837
physician basically on site

3001
01:36:42,837 --> 01:36:44,500
which would help to reduce

3002
01:36:44,500 --> 01:36:45,539
further trips because a lot of

3003
01:36:45,539 --> 01:36:46,674
older folks are going to docs,

3004
01:36:46,674 --> 01:36:48,943
so yes, that is part of it.

3005
01:36:48,943 --> 01:36:50,145
Her training is in older care

3006
01:36:50,145 --> 01:36:51,779
and in nursing home care, so

3007
01:36:51,779 --> 01:36:52,446
this is a natural extension of

3008
01:36:52,446 --> 01:36:53,414
her practice.

3009
01:36:53,414 --> 01:36:53,949
>> michael owen: good, good.

3010
01:36:53,949 --> 01:36:55,949
And I

3011
01:36:56,151 --> 01:36:56,718
I think I'm going to be

3012
01:36:56,718 --> 01:36:57,486
supportive.

3013
01:36:57,486 --> 01:36:58,420
I'm going to sit back and listen

3014
01:36:58,420 --> 01:36:59,989
to commissioner myers and some

3015
01:36:59,989 --> 01:37:00,489
other commissioners.

3016
01:37:00,489 --> 01:37:01,657
Thanks.

3017
01:37:01,657 --> 01:37:02,910
>> ken hagan: commissioner

3018
01:37:02,910 --> 01:37:03,192
myers.

3019
01:37:03,192 --> 01:37:06,192
>> gwen myers: mine is to

3020
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:06,830
approve the item.

3021
01:37:06,830 --> 01:37:08,980
>> ken hagan: okay.

3022
01:37:08,980 --> 01:37:10,000
Got a motion to approve

3023
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,101
commissioner myers, second,

3024
01:37:11,101 --> 01:37:12,936
commissioner wostal.

3025
01:37:12,936 --> 01:37:16,536
If there are no other comments,

3026
01:37:18,943 --> 01:37:21,450
please record your vote.

3027
01:37:21,450 --> 01:37:22,680
>> motion carried 7-0.

3028
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:23,915
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, if I MAY, I had

3029
01:37:23,915 --> 01:37:25,117
a number of applications today

3030
01:37:25,117 --> 01:37:26,618
and some of these applications

3031
01:37:26,618 --> 01:37:28,620
go through a lot of hoops and

3032
01:37:28,620 --> 01:37:30,122
humps and I just want you to

3033
01:37:30,122 --> 01:37:31,157
know, MR. Gradely and michelle

3034
01:37:31,157 --> 01:37:32,558
heinrich are, and their staff

3035
01:37:32,558 --> 01:37:33,326
are just doing a great job.

3036
01:37:33,326 --> 01:37:34,360
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir.

3037
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:35,261
>> it takes a lot to go through,

3038
01:37:35,261 --> 01:37:36,929
but I definitely wanted to

3039
01:37:36,929 --> 01:37:37,397
mention that, particularly in

3040
01:37:37,397 --> 01:37:38,331
these.

3041
01:37:38,331 --> 01:37:40,433
We worked very hard on them, and

3042
01:37:40,433 --> 01:37:41,201
they keep our feet to the fire.

3043
01:37:41,201 --> 01:37:41,969
>> ken hagan: okay.

3044
01:37:41,969 --> 01:37:42,435
>> they're good to work with.

3045
01:37:42,435 --> 01:37:44,435
Thank you.

3046
01:37:45,940 --> 01:37:47,241
>> ken hagan: next item.

3047
01:37:47,241 --> 01:37:48,342
>> the next item is agenda item

3048
01:37:48,342 --> 01:37:49,544
f 6.

3049
01:37:49,544 --> 01:37:52,544
This is a initial consideration

3050
01:37:56,118 --> 01:37:56,918
of hc/cpa 23-15, a privately

3051
01:37:56,918 --> 01:37:58,187
initiated comprehensive plan

3052
01:37:58,187 --> 01:37:59,187
text amendment of the energy

3053
01:37:59,187 --> 01:38:01,457
industrial park 2nds of the

3054
01:38:01,457 --> 01:38:02,358
future land use element.

3055
01:38:02,358 --> 01:38:04,758
Melissa lienhard will introduce

3056
01:38:07,997 --> 01:38:08,832
this item.

3057
01:38:08,832 --> 01:38:09,966
>> hello, everyone.

3058
01:38:09,966 --> 01:38:11,602
I will start out by saying this

3059
01:38:11,602 --> 01:38:12,502
is the first time the board is

3060
01:38:12,502 --> 01:38:14,571
seeing this process, which is

3061
01:38:14,571 --> 01:38:16,106
based on a recent procedures

3062
01:38:16,106 --> 01:38:16,540
manual change earlier this

3063
01:38:16,540 --> 01:38:18,540
year.

3064
01:38:18,609 --> 01:38:20,778
So the initial consideration

3065
01:38:20,778 --> 01:38:22,246
process pertains to privately

3066
01:38:22,246 --> 01:38:23,314
initiated text amendments to the

3067
01:38:23,314 --> 01:38:24,916
comprehensive plan.

3068
01:38:24,916 --> 01:38:27,352
So this is our first time all of

3069
01:38:27,352 --> 01:38:29,752
us navigating this together.

3070
01:38:30,322 --> 01:38:31,724
So we're here today, would you

3071
01:38:31,724 --> 01:38:32,224
mind fast forwarding to the

3072
01:38:32,224 --> 01:38:32,925
aerial.

3073
01:38:32,925 --> 01:38:33,392
I think it might be slide --

3074
01:38:33,392 --> 01:38:34,160
there we go.

3075
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:35,995
This is perfect.

3076
01:38:35,995 --> 01:38:38,640
Just to orient everyone.

3077
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:39,650
So we're here today because a

3078
01:38:39,650 --> 01:38:40,600
privately initiated text

3079
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,703
amendment was submitted for text

3080
01:38:42,703 --> 01:38:43,670
in the future land use element

3081
01:38:43,670 --> 01:38:46,700
in the comprehensive plan

3082
01:38:46,474 --> 01:38:47,274
related to the energy industrial

3083
01:38:47,274 --> 01:38:48,909
park area.

3084
01:38:48,909 --> 01:38:50,845
That's generally located on the

3085
01:38:50,845 --> 01:38:51,979
south side of state road 60

3086
01:38:51,979 --> 01:38:54,282
between dover road and turkey

3087
01:38:54,282 --> 01:38:56,117
creek road: if any of you have

3088
01:38:56,117 --> 01:38:57,118
ever been to midard park, it is

3089
01:38:57,118 --> 01:39:00,118
directly to the west across

3090
01:39:00,956 --> 01:39:02,692
turkey creek.

3091
01:39:02,692 --> 01:39:04,260
The applicant is requesting to

3092
01:39:04,260 --> 01:39:05,528
modify the text of the existing

3093
01:39:05,528 --> 01:39:07,163
energy park language within the

3094
01:39:07,163 --> 01:39:09,365
plan with regard to when certain

3095
01:39:09,365 --> 01:39:11,234
uses MAY occur on the site.

3096
01:39:11,234 --> 01:39:13,437
The way the language is adopted

3097
01:39:13,437 --> 01:39:14,605
today reads that renewable

3098
01:39:14,605 --> 01:39:16,740
energy producing facilities need

3099
01:39:16,740 --> 01:39:18,976
to be ready to operate prior to

3100
01:39:18,976 --> 01:39:19,443
other uses being allowed on the

3101
01:39:19,443 --> 01:39:20,878
site.

3102
01:39:20,878 --> 01:39:23,878
The applicant is proposing to

3103
01:39:24,148 --> 01:39:27,748
modify the language to allow for

3104
01:39:27,753 --> 01:39:29,588
up to 30% of the allowable uses

3105
01:39:29,588 --> 01:39:30,589
for industrial, warehousing,

3106
01:39:30,589 --> 01:39:32,589
distribution, commercial, and

3107
01:39:32,992 --> 01:39:34,760
office uses that those were all

3108
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,495
approved as part of the 2010

3109
01:39:36,495 --> 01:39:38,300
planned development rezoning

3110
01:39:38,300 --> 01:39:38,998
that accompanied this language

3111
01:39:38,998 --> 01:39:41,398
being introduced into the

3112
01:39:41,634 --> 01:39:43,634
comprehensive plan.

3113
01:39:44,370 --> 01:39:45,639
So the rezoning was approved in

3114
01:39:45,639 --> 01:39:47,700
2010 and the language was

3115
01:39:47,700 --> 01:39:48,409
introduced into it

3116
01:39:48,409 --> 01:39:50,409
the

3117
01:39:51,612 --> 01:39:52,213
comprehensive plan via a text

3118
01:39:52,213 --> 01:39:52,547
amendment at that time.

3119
01:39:52,547 --> 01:39:54,115
As well.

3120
01:39:54,115 --> 01:39:55,884
So pursuant to the procedural

3121
01:39:55,884 --> 01:39:56,851
manual changes, once a privately

3122
01:39:56,851 --> 01:39:58,153
initiated text amendment to the

3123
01:39:58,153 --> 01:39:59,722
comprehensive plan is applied

3124
01:39:59,722 --> 01:40:01,356
for, planning commission staff

3125
01:40:01,356 --> 01:40:02,792
is required to schedule the item

3126
01:40:02,792 --> 01:40:04,860
for initial consideration which

3127
01:40:04,860 --> 01:40:06,429
is why we're here today at the

3128
01:40:06,429 --> 01:40:07,697
meeting of the board of county

3129
01:40:07,697 --> 01:40:09,933
commissioners, and then the

3130
01:40:09,933 --> 01:40:10,900
procedures manual further states

3131
01:40:10,900 --> 01:40:12,969
that the planning commission

3132
01:40:12,969 --> 01:40:14,504
will prepare a report to

3133
01:40:14,504 --> 01:40:16,807
accompany the application that

3134
01:40:16,807 --> 01:40:18,542
needs to include at minimum a

3135
01:40:18,542 --> 01:40:20,942
determination of resources that

3136
01:40:22,586 --> 01:40:22,913
are needed for adequate review,

3137
01:40:22,913 --> 01:40:24,148
a recommendation of a time frame

3138
01:40:24,148 --> 01:40:25,983
to review the application, and

3139
01:40:25,983 --> 01:40:27,619
then a recommendation of

3140
01:40:27,619 --> 01:40:29,387
additional public outreach to be

3141
01:40:29,387 --> 01:40:31,787
conducted by the applicant

3142
01:40:33,456 --> 01:40:33,569
beyond what is already required

3143
01:40:33,569 --> 01:40:33,651
as part of the procedures

3144
01:40:33,651 --> 01:40:35,940
manual.

3145
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:37,630
So in your backup today, I did

3146
01:40:37,630 --> 01:40:39,999
prepare a memo that was provided

3147
01:40:39,999 --> 01:40:40,466
to you all outlining those

3148
01:40:40,466 --> 01:40:41,868
items.

3149
01:40:41,868 --> 01:40:42,836
I'm here for any questions.

3150
01:40:42,836 --> 01:40:44,170
I didn't want to go through

3151
01:40:44,170 --> 01:40:45,138
every single thing line item

3152
01:40:45,138 --> 01:40:46,340
because I know we have lot to

3153
01:40:46,340 --> 01:40:47,541
talk about, but I did want to

3154
01:40:47,541 --> 01:40:49,541
particularly highlight some

3155
01:40:49,944 --> 01:40:51,145
items under the public outreach

3156
01:40:51,145 --> 01:40:52,446
requirements.

3157
01:40:52,446 --> 01:40:53,882
Our -- or recommendations.

3158
01:40:53,882 --> 01:40:54,816
We have had a lot of citizen

3159
01:40:54,816 --> 01:40:55,116
interest in this site over the

3160
01:40:55,116 --> 01:40:56,170
years.

3161
01:40:56,170 --> 01:40:57,152
We really wanted to make sure

3162
01:40:57,152 --> 01:40:58,530
that we got it

3163
01:40:58,530 --> 01:40:59,487
the information

3164
01:40:59,487 --> 01:41:00,689
out and that we kind of went

3165
01:41:00,689 --> 01:41:02,858
that extra step beyond what's

3166
01:41:02,858 --> 01:41:03,392
required in the procedures

3167
01:41:03,392 --> 01:41:05,270
manual.

3168
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:06,362
So one extra thing that we put

3169
01:41:06,362 --> 01:41:08,798
in the memo suggesting to the

3170
01:41:08,798 --> 01:41:10,299
board to approve today would be

3171
01:41:10,299 --> 01:41:11,634
an additional neighborhood

3172
01:41:11,634 --> 01:41:13,670
meeting, and that would be in

3173
01:41:13,670 --> 01:41:14,771
addition to the one neighborhood

3174
01:41:14,771 --> 01:41:16,540
meeting that's outlined in the

3175
01:41:16,540 --> 01:41:18,809
procedures manual today, and

3176
01:41:18,809 --> 01:41:21,809
that first meeting that is

3177
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:23,781
required for every map amendment

3178
01:41:23,781 --> 01:41:25,283
that and again, I think I should

3179
01:41:25,283 --> 01:41:26,584
preface this by saying while

3180
01:41:26,584 --> 01:41:28,987
this is a text amendment, this

3181
01:41:28,987 --> 01:41:30,322
does only apply to one

3182
01:41:30,322 --> 01:41:31,556
geographical area in

3183
01:41:31,556 --> 01:41:32,892
unincorporated hillsborough

3184
01:41:32,892 --> 01:41:34,660
county, so it kind of acts a

3185
01:41:34,660 --> 01:41:36,280
little bit like a map amendment

3186
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:37,997
in that way even though it is

3187
01:41:37,997 --> 01:41:39,365
texnically a text amendment.

3188
01:41:39,365 --> 01:41:40,333
So woo asked for an extra

3189
01:41:40,333 --> 01:41:42,502
neighborhood meeting beyond the

3190
01:41:42,502 --> 01:41:43,469
one that's already listed in the

3191
01:41:43,469 --> 01:41:44,905
procedures manual for map

3192
01:41:44,905 --> 01:41:47,207
amendments, and that first

3193
01:41:47,207 --> 01:41:48,750
meeting that all map amendment

3194
01:41:48,750 --> 01:41:50,578
applicants have to go through

3195
01:41:50,578 --> 01:41:52,680
the process for today is it's

3196
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,800
either an applicant initiated

3197
01:41:55,820 --> 01:41:56,584
meeting, or if they choose to

3198
01:41:56,584 --> 01:41:58,386
wait, it can also be a citizen

3199
01:41:58,386 --> 01:42:00,386
initiated meeting.

3200
01:42:00,588 --> 01:42:02,324
So they will go through that

3201
01:42:02,324 --> 01:42:04,493
process if this is approved

3202
01:42:04,493 --> 01:42:05,294
today per the planning

3203
01:42:05,294 --> 01:42:06,270
commission staff's

3204
01:42:06,270 --> 01:42:07,696
recommendations but we would ask

3205
01:42:07,696 --> 01:42:10,960
for one additional neighborhood

3206
01:42:10,433 --> 01:42:11,634
meeting beyond that requirement

3207
01:42:11,634 --> 01:42:13,669
that the applicant would be

3208
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:14,471
required for mailed notice of

3209
01:42:14,471 --> 01:42:16,471
the neighborhood meetings

3210
01:42:16,673 --> 01:42:18,175
meetings which is typical, but

3211
01:42:18,175 --> 01:42:19,709
in addition melissa zornitta the

3212
01:42:19,709 --> 01:42:20,911
executive director of the

3213
01:42:20,911 --> 01:42:22,346
planning commission attended a

3214
01:42:22,346 --> 01:42:24,348
couple of the valrico community

3215
01:42:24,348 --> 01:42:26,384
plan meetings, and she had

3216
01:42:26,384 --> 01:42:27,819
talked to people even though

3217
01:42:27,819 --> 01:42:29,687
this is not part of the valrico

3218
01:42:29,687 --> 01:42:32,900
community plan proposed area, a

3219
01:42:32,900 --> 01:42:35,260
lot of people are interested in

3220
01:42:35,260 --> 01:42:36,395
this site, so melissa zornitta

3221
01:42:36,395 --> 01:42:37,396
had made the commitment that we

3222
01:42:37,396 --> 01:42:38,430
had a communication list from

3223
01:42:38,430 --> 01:42:40,599
these meetings that includes

3224
01:42:40,599 --> 01:42:42,340
several people in the area, and

3225
01:42:42,340 --> 01:42:44,771
that we would send an e-mail

3226
01:42:44,771 --> 01:42:45,972
blast to that list, planning

3227
01:42:45,972 --> 01:42:46,773
commission staff would, once the

3228
01:42:46,773 --> 01:42:47,507
details of that extra meeting

3229
01:42:47,507 --> 01:42:49,420
were noted.

3230
01:42:49,420 --> 01:42:50,344
So we have that noted in the

3231
01:42:50,344 --> 01:42:51,678
memo as well trying to go above

3232
01:42:51,678 --> 01:42:53,747
and beyond and really let people

3233
01:42:53,747 --> 01:42:55,516
know what's happening.

3234
01:42:55,516 --> 01:42:57,916
The applicant will provide

3235
01:42:58,190 --> 01:42:59,530
planning commission staff with a

3236
01:42:59,530 --> 01:43:00,221
sign-in sheet for that meeting

3237
01:43:00,221 --> 01:43:02,290
as well as a summary of the

3238
01:43:02,290 --> 01:43:03,625
topics that were covered, and

3239
01:43:03,625 --> 01:43:06,280
then the comments that were made

3240
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:07,229
by members of the public.

3241
01:43:07,229 --> 01:43:09,398
And then again because this is

3242
01:43:09,398 --> 01:43:10,633
even though this is a text

3243
01:43:10,633 --> 01:43:12,100
amendment, it kind of smells and

3244
01:43:12,100 --> 01:43:13,669
acts like a map amendment, we

3245
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:15,772
wanted to make sure that we had

3246
01:43:15,772 --> 01:43:16,773
signs on this site as well

3247
01:43:16,773 --> 01:43:18,141
because typically a text

3248
01:43:18,141 --> 01:43:19,242
amendment would not require

3249
01:43:19,242 --> 01:43:21,642
signage on the site.

3250
01:43:23,283 --> 01:43:23,390
So we have asked them to be

3251
01:43:23,390 --> 01:43:25,149
posted as part of this memo

3252
01:43:25,149 --> 01:43:28,749
request today at each of the

3253
01:43:29,187 --> 01:43:29,301
intersections, you know, so a

3254
01:43:29,301 --> 01:43:31,923
dover and state road 60, at

3255
01:43:31,923 --> 01:43:33,358
turkey creek and state road 60,

3256
01:43:33,358 --> 01:43:34,793
and near the subject limits on

3257
01:43:34,793 --> 01:43:35,761
dover and on turkey creek road

3258
01:43:35,761 --> 01:43:37,761
as well.

3259
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:40,900
And then just to close out here,

3260
01:43:40,900 --> 01:43:43,300
the procedures manual outlines

3261
01:43:43,402 --> 01:43:44,270
what should happen at this

3262
01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:46,270
initial consideration meeting

3263
01:43:46,773 --> 01:43:47,907
that we're having right now.

3264
01:43:47,907 --> 01:43:49,609
The applicant will be afforded

3265
01:43:49,609 --> 01:43:51,345
time to make a presentation and

3266
01:43:51,345 --> 01:43:53,280
public testimony will also be

3267
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:53,981
permitted, and then the board of

3268
01:43:53,981 --> 01:43:56,490
county commissioners shall tke

3269
01:43:56,490 --> 01:43:57,818
one of the following actions

3270
01:43:57,818 --> 01:44:00,121
after review of the report and

3271
01:44:00,121 --> 01:44:00,788
the testimony by the applicant

3272
01:44:00,788 --> 01:44:02,788
and citizens.

3273
01:44:02,857 --> 01:44:03,958
One would be a motion to take no

3274
01:44:03,958 --> 01:44:05,360
further action on the

3275
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,229
application, and then a refund

3276
01:44:07,229 --> 01:44:08,230
of 80% of the amount of the

3277
01:44:08,230 --> 01:44:09,531
application fee would be

3278
01:44:09,531 --> 01:44:10,399
provided to the applicant should

3279
01:44:10,399 --> 01:44:12,268
this occur.

3280
01:44:12,268 --> 01:44:14,437
And the other option is to allow

3281
01:44:14,437 --> 01:44:15,905
the application to proceed for

3282
01:44:15,905 --> 01:44:18,274
review and public hearing in

3283
01:44:18,274 --> 01:44:20,674
accordance with the procedures

3284
01:44:21,344 --> 01:44:22,646
manual and then the motion shall

3285
01:44:22,646 --> 01:44:24,414
address ay of the planning

3286
01:44:24,414 --> 01:44:26,383
commission's recommendations on

3287
01:44:26,383 --> 01:44:29,120
the review time frames, the

3288
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:30,210
public outreach component and

3289
01:44:30,210 --> 01:44:31,890
any provision of additional

3290
01:44:31,890 --> 01:44:31,789
resources for

3291
01:44:31,789 --> 01:44:32,224
sources

3292
01:44:32,224 --> 01:44:32,757
source if

3293
01:44:32,757 --> 01:44:33,392
applicable.

3294
01:44:33,392 --> 01:44:34,226
So that is what I have to

3295
01:44:34,226 --> 01:44:35,260
present to you today unless you

3296
01:44:35,260 --> 01:44:36,280
have any questions.

3297
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:36,895
I know chris Mcneal is

3298
01:44:36,895 --> 01:44:38,764
representing the applicant.

3299
01:44:38,764 --> 01:44:39,832
He is here today.

3300
01:44:39,832 --> 01:44:41,300
And is then of course as I said

3301
01:44:41,300 --> 01:44:43,335
there is also public testimony

3302
01:44:43,335 --> 01:44:44,103
permitted today as well.

3303
01:44:44,103 --> 01:44:44,370
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

3304
01:44:44,370 --> 01:44:44,871
you.

3305
01:44:44,871 --> 01:44:46,871
>> thank you.

3306
01:44:47,941 --> 01:44:49,809
>> ken hagan: the applicant like

3307
01:44:49,809 --> 01:44:50,677
to speak?

3308
01:44:50,677 --> 01:44:52,646
Good morning, sir.

3309
01:44:52,646 --> 01:44:54,281
You have three minutes.

3310
01:44:54,281 --> 01:44:56,281
>> good morning, commissioners.

3311
01:44:58,219 --> 01:45:00,219
Chris Mcneal, 15957 north

3312
01:45:00,454 --> 01:45:01,550
florida avenue lutz florida on

3313
01:45:01,550 --> 01:45:03,124
behalf of the applicant.

3314
01:45:03,124 --> 01:45:05,930
I appreciate your time.

3315
01:45:05,930 --> 01:45:05,827
MS. Leinhard did a fantastic job

3316
01:45:05,827 --> 01:45:06,528
outlining the request.

3317
01:45:06,528 --> 01:45:09,632
I just wanted to say thank you

3318
01:45:09,632 --> 01:45:12,434
for that and also just to make

3319
01:45:12,434 --> 01:45:14,537
sure that it was clear that the

3320
01:45:14,537 --> 01:45:16,937
request is really generated

3321
01:45:18,341 --> 01:45:19,242
around a requirement of the as I

3322
01:45:19,242 --> 01:45:22,780
think we all know this is the

3323
01:45:22,780 --> 01:45:26,278
only piece of land that ends in

3324
01:45:26,650 --> 01:45:28,652
eip land use and because of that

3325
01:45:28,652 --> 01:45:30,187
the conditions are outlined,

3326
01:45:30,187 --> 01:45:31,389
they are site specific, there is

3327
01:45:31,389 --> 01:45:32,156
a site specific section in the

3328
01:45:32,156 --> 01:45:32,991
land use requirements for this

3329
01:45:32,991 --> 01:45:35,391
also generated throughout the

3330
01:45:36,328 --> 01:45:37,162
document as well.

3331
01:45:37,162 --> 01:45:38,296
We're planning to work with what

3332
01:45:38,296 --> 01:45:40,165
is already there and just make a

3333
01:45:40,165 --> 01:45:43,165
more specific request about the

3334
01:45:43,736 --> 01:45:44,970
timing of the construction, so

3335
01:45:44,970 --> 01:45:46,372
increase in density, no increase

3336
01:45:46,372 --> 01:45:47,139
enwhat is already allowed from a

3337
01:45:47,139 --> 01:45:49,800
land use standpoint.

3338
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:51,411
It's just simply aloing some of

3339
01:45:51,411 --> 01:45:52,612
that allowed density -- before

3340
01:45:52,612 --> 01:45:53,790
the energy component is in

3341
01:45:53,790 --> 01:45:54,848
play.

3342
01:45:54,848 --> 01:45:57,170
That'll allow the owners of the

3343
01:45:57,170 --> 01:45:57,918
property to be able to get some,

3344
01:45:57,918 --> 01:45:59,520
generate some traction, some

3345
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:00,655
momentum and some revenues that

3346
01:46:00,655 --> 01:46:03,658
would otherwise be able to help

3347
01:46:03,658 --> 01:46:04,258
support that; so that in summary

3348
01:46:04,258 --> 01:46:05,660
is the request.

3349
01:46:05,660 --> 01:46:06,761
I'm available for questions

3350
01:46:06,761 --> 01:46:09,161
should you have any.

3351
01:46:11,166 --> 01:46:12,340
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir.

3352
01:46:12,340 --> 01:46:13,402
It's a public hearing.

3353
01:46:13,402 --> 01:46:13,903
Would anyone like to speak to

3354
01:46:13,903 --> 01:46:15,903
this item?

3355
01:46:16,205 --> 01:46:17,707
Commissioner owen?

3356
01:46:17,707 --> 01:46:18,307
>> michael owen: thank you,

3357
01:46:18,307 --> 01:46:19,242
MR. CHAIRMAN.

3358
01:46:19,242 --> 01:46:22,242
And I probably get more

3359
01:46:22,679 --> 01:46:24,514
questions about this red herring

3360
01:46:24,514 --> 01:46:25,182
in my district than any other

3361
01:46:25,182 --> 01:46:27,582
property I would say.

3362
01:46:28,452 --> 01:46:29,987
More than rp 2 and wvr 2 and

3363
01:46:29,987 --> 01:46:32,387
I've attended every valrico

3364
01:46:33,490 --> 01:46:34,358
community plan meeting, and

3365
01:46:34,358 --> 01:46:37,358
people just like me scratch

3366
01:46:38,763 --> 01:46:39,230
their heads on why this even

3367
01:46:39,230 --> 01:46:40,832
exists.

3368
01:46:40,832 --> 01:46:43,268
If you'll notice where it is

3369
01:46:43,268 --> 01:46:44,436
it's right ot near our

3370
01:46:44,436 --> 01:46:45,971
agricultural community and the

3371
01:46:45,971 --> 01:46:47,971
parks.

3372
01:46:48,941 --> 01:46:50,609
MR. Gormly, would your clarify

3373
01:46:50,609 --> 01:46:51,944
why this is an energy park.

3374
01:46:51,944 --> 01:46:54,214
It's 3,000 acres, a very large

3375
01:46:54,214 --> 01:46:55,515
parcel of property, could you

3376
01:46:55,515 --> 01:46:57,840
clarify for the public why it is

3377
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:57,818
an energy park?

3378
01:46:57,818 --> 01:46:59,818
>> yes, sir.

3379
01:47:00,354 --> 01:47:01,655
So this area is designated an

3380
01:47:01,655 --> 01:47:03,900
energy park due to the energy

3381
01:47:03,900 --> 01:47:04,625
industrial park future land use

3382
01:47:04,625 --> 01:47:07,250
category and the associated

3383
01:47:12,868 --> 01:47:13,502
zoning that implements those

3384
01:47:13,502 --> 01:47:15,502
requirements.

3385
01:47:15,838 --> 01:47:17,600
The project was an extension of

3386
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,308
this energy producing use

3387
01:47:19,308 --> 01:47:21,770
options, and the expapgz of

3388
01:47:21,770 --> 01:47:21,744
expansion of the urban service

3389
01:47:21,744 --> 01:47:24,114
area was solely if

3390
01:47:24,114 --> 01:47:25,448
solely for

3391
01:47:25,448 --> 01:47:27,170
the purpose of accommodating

3392
01:47:27,170 --> 01:47:27,951
that energy production use.

3393
01:47:27,951 --> 01:47:28,752
>> michael owen: it's extremely

3394
01:47:28,752 --> 01:47:29,753
slow moving and probably will

3395
01:47:29,753 --> 01:47:32,153
continue to be, right?

3396
01:47:32,356 --> 01:47:33,491
I mean, this is going to be a

3397
01:47:33,491 --> 01:47:34,926
50-year project the way it looks

3398
01:47:34,926 --> 01:47:37,195
to me on how slow that we're

3399
01:47:37,195 --> 01:47:38,960
moving with any type of

3400
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:39,631
development on this property.

3401
01:47:39,631 --> 01:47:40,966
is that safe to say?

3402
01:47:40,966 --> 01:47:43,468
>> it is safe to say.

3403
01:47:43,468 --> 01:47:44,570
There was initial user, it was

3404
01:47:44,570 --> 01:47:46,739
identified at the time of the

3405
01:47:46,739 --> 01:47:48,739
privately initiated amendment.

3406
01:47:50,142 --> 01:47:52,579
That user did not materialize as

3407
01:47:52,579 --> 01:47:53,580
envisioned, so there has been

3408
01:47:53,580 --> 01:47:55,980
some inquiries about the

3409
01:47:56,616 --> 01:47:58,185
property, but have not had that

3410
01:47:58,185 --> 01:48:00,587
I'm aware of a bona fide user

3411
01:48:00,587 --> 01:48:01,355
for the energy production use.

3412
01:48:01,355 --> 01:48:02,560
>> michael owen: and what the

3413
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:05,126
applicant is trying to do here

3414
01:48:05,126 --> 01:48:08,126
from my understanding is there

3415
01:48:08,463 --> 01:48:10,432
is timing mechanisms in order to

3416
01:48:10,432 --> 01:48:12,670
develop that do not comply with

3417
01:48:12,670 --> 01:48:14,690
that energy efficient, the

3418
01:48:14,690 --> 01:48:14,970
energy efficient requirements.

3419
01:48:14,970 --> 01:48:16,272
Is that fair to say?

3420
01:48:16,272 --> 01:48:18,272
Is that --

3421
01:48:18,474 --> 01:48:19,976
>> yes, the energy use was, is

3422
01:48:19,976 --> 01:48:22,612
currently required to be the

3423
01:48:22,612 --> 01:48:25,548
primary use, and other approved

3424
01:48:25,548 --> 01:48:27,751
and ancillary uses need

3425
01:48:27,751 --> 01:48:28,752
currently need to farlo

3426
01:48:28,752 --> 01:48:29,653
follow

3427
01:48:29,653 --> 01:48:30,587
the establishment of the energy

3428
01:48:30,587 --> 01:48:32,489
use, and that is what the

3429
01:48:32,489 --> 01:48:33,123
applicant is seeking to change

3430
01:48:33,123 --> 01:48:34,920
with this amendment.

3431
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:36,492
>> ken hagan: yeah, and

3432
01:48:40,598 --> 01:48:42,330
MS. Leinhard, I was going to

3433
01:48:42,330 --> 01:48:44,336
move the privately initiated

3434
01:48:44,336 --> 01:48:45,771
text amendment, so technically

3435
01:48:45,771 --> 01:48:48,700
I'm in a spot where I want to

3436
01:48:48,700 --> 01:48:50,409
make a motion to approve what

3437
01:48:50,409 --> 01:48:52,578
the applicant is requesting, but

3438
01:48:52,578 --> 01:48:54,978
now you've mentioned about

3439
01:48:55,215 --> 01:48:57,417
requiring the applicant or

3440
01:48:57,417 --> 01:48:58,318
citizen initiated meeting where

3441
01:48:58,318 --> 01:49:01,918
you're saying that needs to be

3442
01:49:04,525 --> 01:49:06,827
part of the motion?

3443
01:49:06,827 --> 01:49:07,596
Could you clarify that for me?

3444
01:49:07,596 --> 01:49:08,896
>> no problem.

3445
01:49:08,896 --> 01:49:09,564
Today there are one of two

3446
01:49:09,564 --> 01:49:10,999
motions available.

3447
01:49:10,999 --> 01:49:12,300
One, to take no further action

3448
01:49:12,300 --> 01:49:13,401
and the application will be

3449
01:49:13,401 --> 01:49:14,703
essentially withdrawn, and the

3450
01:49:14,703 --> 01:49:15,203
applicant will receive a

3451
01:49:15,203 --> 01:49:16,338
refund.

3452
01:49:16,338 --> 01:49:18,441
If you all choose to move the

3453
01:49:18,441 --> 01:49:19,775
application forward, that is the

3454
01:49:19,775 --> 01:49:22,378
other option, and then I would

3455
01:49:22,378 --> 01:49:25,448
ask that you opine on the memo

3456
01:49:25,448 --> 01:49:29,480
and the three, you know, the

3457
01:49:29,953 --> 01:49:31,288
extra public outreach and the

3458
01:49:31,288 --> 01:49:32,189
timeline and then see if that is

3459
01:49:32,189 --> 01:49:34,658
what everybody is thinking is a

3460
01:49:34,658 --> 01:49:35,860
great idea or if there is any

3461
01:49:35,860 --> 01:49:36,761
modifications proposed changes

3462
01:49:36,761 --> 01:49:37,662
then you could let us know

3463
01:49:37,662 --> 01:49:39,898
today, give us that direction,

3464
01:49:39,898 --> 01:49:40,398
and then that would be your

3465
01:49:40,398 --> 01:49:42,000
motion.

3466
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,969
For today for to move forward

3467
01:49:43,969 --> 01:49:45,738
with the traditional public

3468
01:49:45,738 --> 01:49:47,573
hearing process and procedures,

3469
01:49:47,573 --> 01:49:50,343
it would not remain as part of

3470
01:49:50,343 --> 01:49:51,243
the JULY cycle of plan

3471
01:49:51,243 --> 01:49:52,812
amendments just because this is

3472
01:49:52,812 --> 01:49:57,120
going to follow its own path as

3473
01:50:05,559 --> 01:50:06,460
far as time frame is concerned.

3474
01:50:06,460 --> 01:50:07,228
>> michael owen: MR. Mcneal

3475
01:50:07,228 --> 01:50:07,995
can you tell me what you're

3476
01:50:07,995 --> 01:50:09,197
asking for today then?

3477
01:50:09,197 --> 01:50:10,965
>> yes, sir, commissioner.

3478
01:50:10,965 --> 01:50:12,233
To address that and the ask, I

3479
01:50:12,233 --> 01:50:14,669
think the ask is really just if

3480
01:50:14,669 --> 01:50:16,710
it's to move the case forward to

3481
01:50:16,710 --> 01:50:19,608
allow the text amendment to be

3482
01:50:19,608 --> 01:50:20,576
able to be heard at a publicly

3483
01:50:20,576 --> 01:50:22,576
initiated request.

3484
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:25,648
But to speak to additional

3485
01:50:25,648 --> 01:50:26,749
public outreach meeting and

3486
01:50:26,749 --> 01:50:28,184
posting of the signs, I think

3487
01:50:28,184 --> 01:50:29,553
given the uniqueness of the

3488
01:50:29,553 --> 01:50:31,822
property and we've talked about

3489
01:50:31,822 --> 01:50:32,789
the schedule prior to this, I

3490
01:50:32,789 --> 01:50:35,225
don't, we don't have any

3491
01:50:35,225 --> 01:50:36,293
objection to that.

3492
01:50:36,293 --> 01:50:36,827
I think it's good due

3493
01:50:36,827 --> 01:50:38,496
diligence.

3494
01:50:38,496 --> 01:50:40,310
So as far as those requests and

3495
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:41,132
the timeline, I would, I think

3496
01:50:41,132 --> 01:50:43,532
that obviously everybody would

3497
01:50:44,102 --> 01:50:45,700
need to speak to, but from her

3498
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:47,470
additional request of that,

3499
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:48,574
that's not a problem for the

3500
01:50:48,574 --> 01:50:49,342
applicant.

3501
01:50:49,342 --> 01:50:50,376
>> michael owen: okay so if I

3502
01:50:50,376 --> 01:50:51,877
made a motion to move the

3503
01:50:51,877 --> 01:50:54,180
application forward with the

3504
01:50:54,180 --> 01:50:55,715
condition of having a, the

3505
01:50:55,715 --> 01:50:56,616
applicant -- having a publicly

3506
01:50:56,616 --> 01:50:58,170
initiated meeting, thatt would

3507
01:50:58,170 --> 01:50:59,886
be fine?

3508
01:50:59,886 --> 01:51:01,188
>> yes, I would ask if there is

3509
01:51:01,188 --> 01:51:02,322
anything else within the memo,

3510
01:51:02,322 --> 01:51:04,825
because there are three subjects

3511
01:51:04,825 --> 01:51:06,460
that we addressed, the

3512
01:51:06,460 --> 01:51:07,462
determination of the resources

3513
01:51:07,462 --> 01:51:09,297
needed for adequate review.

3514
01:51:09,297 --> 01:51:10,832
We asked for a few items under

3515
01:51:10,832 --> 01:51:12,700
that.

3516
01:51:12,700 --> 01:51:14,169
; but we did say that we can do

3517
01:51:14,169 --> 01:51:15,237
that with adequate staff time so

3518
01:51:15,237 --> 01:51:16,605
no consultant needed.

3519
01:51:16,605 --> 01:51:17,873
And then the time frame would be

3520
01:51:17,873 --> 01:51:19,308
just when we receive those

3521
01:51:19,308 --> 01:51:20,275
items, evaluating those and then

3522
01:51:20,275 --> 01:51:22,440
looking at the next available

3523
01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:23,245
public hearing schedule, and

3524
01:51:23,245 --> 01:51:24,981
this is a text amendment, so it

3525
01:51:24,981 --> 01:51:27,417
would need a transmittal hearing

3526
01:51:27,417 --> 01:51:28,251
and an adoption hearing as well

3527
01:51:28,251 --> 01:51:30,200
as of course we would come back

3528
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:31,870
to you again with a workshop

3529
01:51:31,870 --> 01:51:33,290
like you're doing on wednesday

3530
01:51:33,290 --> 01:51:34,758
for the other items in the JULY

3531
01:51:34,758 --> 01:51:35,492
cycle, so it would follow the

3532
01:51:35,492 --> 01:51:37,270
traditional schedule.

3533
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:38,229
And then the other thing is the

3534
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:40,665
extra outreach items that we

3535
01:51:40,665 --> 01:51:41,666
listed, if everyone's

3536
01:51:41,666 --> 01:51:42,867
comfortable with those things,

3537
01:51:42,867 --> 01:51:43,735
then we can move forward as

3538
01:51:43,735 --> 01:51:44,350
everything listed sovment eif

3539
01:51:44,350 --> 01:51:44,869
there

3540
01:51:44,869 --> 01:51:45,737
.

3541
01:51:45,737 --> 01:51:48,140
So if there is anything you want

3542
01:51:48,140 --> 01:51:48,907
to modify, let me know.

3543
01:51:48,907 --> 01:51:49,675
>> michael owen: you're making

3544
01:51:49,675 --> 01:51:50,342
this hard for me.

3545
01:51:50,342 --> 01:51:51,643
>> I'm sorry.

3546
01:51:51,643 --> 01:51:53,780
You can move forward with

3547
01:51:53,780 --> 01:51:54,180
anything in the memo as is or

3548
01:51:54,180 --> 01:51:55,181
you can suggest any changes.

3549
01:51:55,181 --> 01:51:56,382
If someone thinks there should

3550
01:51:56,382 --> 01:51:56,916
be an additional sign somewhere,

3551
01:51:56,916 --> 01:51:57,784
let me know.

3552
01:51:57,784 --> 01:51:59,319
Something like that.

3553
01:51:59,319 --> 01:52:01,287
>> michael owen: okay.

3554
01:52:01,287 --> 01:52:03,356
Well, I'll move forward with the

3555
01:52:03,356 --> 01:52:05,756
application with the additional

3556
01:52:05,893 --> 01:52:06,994
outreach and to follow the

3557
01:52:06,994 --> 01:52:08,994
requirements consistent with

3558
01:52:10,632 --> 01:52:11,365
what's in the memo.

3559
01:52:11,365 --> 01:52:12,330
>> ken hagan: okay we got a

3560
01:52:12,330 --> 01:52:13,768
motion by commissioner owen,

3561
01:52:13,768 --> 01:52:16,104
second by commissioner wostal.

3562
01:52:16,104 --> 01:52:18,104
Commissioner kemp.

3563
01:52:20,108 --> 01:52:22,508
>> pat kemp: thank you.

3564
01:52:27,216 --> 01:52:30,216
This is a huge project.

3565
01:52:30,220 --> 01:52:31,588
I think it's important to first

3566
01:52:31,588 --> 01:52:34,391
look at a little bit just to

3567
01:52:34,391 --> 01:52:35,926
know a little bit of the history

3568
01:52:35,926 --> 01:52:37,795
here which if you could just,

3569
01:52:37,795 --> 01:52:39,296
can we put up a map of the urban

3570
01:52:39,296 --> 01:52:41,299
service area which actually

3571
01:52:41,299 --> 01:52:44,899
shows how this piece is out

3572
01:52:44,902 --> 01:52:47,405
there at 60, this huge piece

3573
01:52:47,405 --> 01:52:49,274
over all that the current text

3574
01:52:49,274 --> 01:52:50,576
amendment covers that's

3575
01:52:50,576 --> 01:52:52,478
3,000 acres, correct?

3576
01:52:52,478 --> 01:52:53,746
>> I do have an aerial that was

3577
01:52:53,746 --> 01:52:56,582
provided by the applicant on

3578
01:52:56,582 --> 01:52:57,750
this powerpoint, which I had up

3579
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:59,118
previously, and then I also have

3580
01:52:59,118 --> 01:53:00,553
a copy of the certified site

3581
01:53:00,553 --> 01:53:01,888
plan, but those do not show the

3582
01:53:01,888 --> 01:53:02,622
urban service area boundary.

3583
01:53:02,622 --> 01:53:03,523
>> pat kemp: I would like to

3584
01:53:03,523 --> 01:53:06,794
show it with the bigger urban

3585
01:53:06,794 --> 01:53:10,994
service area and how this is a

3586
01:53:11,198 --> 01:53:13,735
huge chunk out of 3,000 acres I

3587
01:53:13,735 --> 01:53:17,335
think to the east out of 60

3588
01:53:18,306 --> 01:53:21,906
where we have just heard very,

3589
01:53:22,578 --> 01:53:24,780
you know, and this board was

3590
01:53:24,780 --> 01:53:25,481
sympathetic to hearing it, about

3591
01:53:25,481 --> 01:53:26,548
how they were talking about

3592
01:53:26,548 --> 01:53:28,948
their massive traffic issues

3593
01:53:29,180 --> 01:53:31,154
there on 60 right there where it

3594
01:53:31,154 --> 01:53:32,555
is two lanes by the way.

3595
01:53:32,555 --> 01:53:34,858
And this directs out into it,

3596
01:53:34,858 --> 01:53:37,628
this is like open territory

3597
01:53:37,628 --> 01:53:40,300
here, but can we, not this

3598
01:53:40,300 --> 01:53:42,000
picture, I want the picture of

3599
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:43,334
the -- just give me the urban

3600
01:53:43,334 --> 01:53:43,802
service line picture, do we have

3601
01:53:43,802 --> 01:53:45,737
that somewhere?

3602
01:53:45,737 --> 01:53:47,672
I just think that that is really

3603
01:53:47,672 --> 01:53:48,139
relevant and important for us to

3604
01:53:48,139 --> 01:53:48,773
understand here.

3605
01:53:48,773 --> 01:53:50,375
>> I appreciate that.

3606
01:53:50,375 --> 01:53:51,810
I do not have a map that shows

3607
01:53:51,810 --> 01:53:53,445
that particularly, but I will

3608
01:53:53,445 --> 01:53:55,180
certainly take that direction if

3609
01:53:55,180 --> 01:53:55,681
this moves forward for the

3610
01:53:55,681 --> 01:53:57,681
workshop.

3611
01:53:57,917 --> 01:53:59,652
I can certainly bring a larger

3612
01:53:59,652 --> 01:54:01,421
zoomed out aerial of this site

3613
01:54:01,421 --> 01:54:02,956
in relation to where the urban

3614
01:54:02,956 --> 01:54:04,290
service area boundary is, and is

3615
01:54:04,290 --> 01:54:05,926
then also something more zoomed

3616
01:54:05,926 --> 01:54:06,893
in that shows the site itself.

3617
01:54:06,893 --> 01:54:08,228
>> ken hagan: so the, and I've

3618
01:54:08,228 --> 01:54:09,963
talked about this before.

3619
01:54:09,963 --> 01:54:11,532
So, and I uctad about it when we

3620
01:54:11,532 --> 01:54:13,000
were talking -- talked about it

3621
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:13,901
when we were talking about 60

3622
01:54:13,901 --> 01:54:14,468
and the traffic out there and

3623
01:54:14,468 --> 01:54:16,468
everything.

3624
01:54:19,407 --> 01:54:20,308
And when we're all these

3625
01:54:20,308 --> 01:54:21,610
discussions about the urban

3626
01:54:21,610 --> 01:54:22,377
service area and moving it

3627
01:54:22,377 --> 01:54:24,120
making the bigger.

3628
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:26,983
This is a massive, massive piece

3629
01:54:26,983 --> 01:54:29,953
of property that sits out to the

3630
01:54:29,953 --> 01:54:31,487
edge of east county.

3631
01:54:31,487 --> 01:54:31,721
It just kind of chunks outlet.

3632
01:54:31,721 --> 01:54:33,721
It

3633
01:54:33,890 --> 01:54:35,890
out -- out.

3634
01:54:38,362 --> 01:54:40,664
It was passed in 2010 at the

3635
01:54:40,664 --> 01:54:41,499
time under what I thought was a

3636
01:54:41,499 --> 01:54:43,267
ridiculous premise that was

3637
01:54:43,267 --> 01:54:44,835
pushed forward to have this

3638
01:54:44,835 --> 01:54:46,904
3,000-acre place be this massive

3639
01:54:46,904 --> 01:54:47,605
energy park, that's what the

3640
01:54:47,605 --> 01:54:49,605
text amendment says.

3641
01:54:50,508 --> 01:54:54,130
It had to have two energy pieces

3642
01:54:54,130 --> 01:54:56,150
to it at the time we didn't have

3643
01:54:56,150 --> 01:54:58,500
things like solar panel farms or

3644
01:54:58,500 --> 01:55:00,500
things like that.

3645
01:55:01,687 --> 01:55:02,989
It had, it already has massive,

3646
01:55:02,989 --> 01:55:04,424
massive implications in

3647
01:55:04,424 --> 01:55:06,293
development in this totally

3648
01:55:06,293 --> 01:55:06,760
pretty much pristine area

3649
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:08,620
there.

3650
01:55:08,620 --> 01:55:11,662
I had asked before because part

3651
01:55:12,866 --> 01:55:14,235
of it is phosphate mined and

3652
01:55:14,235 --> 01:55:14,735
supposedly that area can't be

3653
01:55:14,735 --> 01:55:16,735
built on.

3654
01:55:17,472 --> 01:55:20,909
I'd like to know what part of

3655
01:55:20,909 --> 01:55:22,100
that area can't be developed.

3656
01:55:22,100 --> 01:55:22,444
I don't think we have that

3657
01:55:22,444 --> 01:55:23,411
answer yet.

3658
01:55:23,411 --> 01:55:25,414
I'd like to know that.

3659
01:55:25,414 --> 01:55:27,917
I'd like to know this in the

3660
01:55:27,917 --> 01:55:28,484
context of the entire

3661
01:55:28,484 --> 01:55:30,453
3,000 acres.

3662
01:55:30,453 --> 01:55:31,621
I don't even, how many acres is

3663
01:55:31,621 --> 01:55:35,221
this that they have marked out

3664
01:55:37,861 --> 01:55:38,862
in this text amendment?

3665
01:55:38,862 --> 01:55:40,297
>> MR. Mcneal, would you mind

3666
01:55:40,297 --> 01:55:41,932
answering that question?

3667
01:55:41,932 --> 01:55:44,869
Because it doesn't pertain to

3668
01:55:44,869 --> 01:55:47,605
the full 3,000, so the portions,

3669
01:55:47,605 --> 01:55:48,740
the a, b, c, g, and h that you

3670
01:55:48,740 --> 01:55:50,410
had indicated on the site plan

3671
01:55:50,410 --> 01:55:51,710
that's part of the backup.

3672
01:55:51,710 --> 01:55:55,910
Do you have an indication of how

3673
01:55:57,816 --> 01:55:58,350
many roughly acres that would

3674
01:55:58,350 --> 01:55:59,552
be?

3675
01:55:59,552 --> 01:56:01,530
>> okay, so I don't, ma'am, to

3676
01:56:01,530 --> 01:56:02,255
be honest with you, know the

3677
01:56:02,255 --> 01:56:02,922
exact number of acres.

3678
01:56:02,922 --> 01:56:04,424
I could look at that.

3679
01:56:04,424 --> 01:56:04,958
It was really more focused on

3680
01:56:04,958 --> 01:56:06,958
the text amendment.

3681
01:56:07,193 --> 01:56:08,528
The text amendment is, you know,

3682
01:56:08,528 --> 01:56:10,698
there is a certain amount that

3683
01:56:10,698 --> 01:56:12,566
ties to the plan, and the plan

3684
01:56:12,566 --> 01:56:15,770
would be part of this process

3685
01:56:15,770 --> 01:56:17,538
ultimately if should it be the

3686
01:56:17,538 --> 01:56:18,600
commissioners' desire to move it

3687
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:19,641
forward.

3688
01:56:19,641 --> 01:56:21,143
So north of that, there's kind

3689
01:56:21,143 --> 01:56:23,111
of a demarcation line through

3690
01:56:23,111 --> 01:56:27,311
that eip area and north of that

3691
01:56:27,382 --> 01:56:27,883
is where the development is

3692
01:56:27,883 --> 01:56:29,883
allowed.

3693
01:56:30,653 --> 01:56:31,120
There are conditions all through

3694
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:32,422
there.

3695
01:56:32,422 --> 01:56:33,323
>> pat kemp: all right.

3696
01:56:33,323 --> 01:56:36,923
Well, I think this is certainly

3697
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:37,794
not ready for primetime at this

3698
01:56:37,794 --> 01:56:39,794
time.

3699
01:56:40,430 --> 01:56:41,999
I think this is a huge step

3700
01:56:41,999 --> 01:56:42,266
without very much knowledge at

3701
01:56:42,266 --> 01:56:44,266
all.

3702
01:56:44,568 --> 01:56:45,903
The other thing is it really

3703
01:56:45,903 --> 01:56:49,373
bothers me to hear about the

3704
01:56:49,373 --> 01:56:52,973
energy park was the reason two

3705
01:56:54,446 --> 01:56:55,313
types of energy in this crazy

3706
01:56:55,313 --> 01:56:57,313
crapgz that

3707
01:56:57,383 --> 01:56:59,383
crapgz that was

3708
01:57:00,152 --> 01:57:01,587
mysterious passed in 2010 to

3709
01:57:01,587 --> 01:57:02,121
open up this massive area of the

3710
01:57:02,121 --> 01:57:03,689
urban service area.

3711
01:57:03,689 --> 01:57:03,990
So this is in the urban service

3712
01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:04,590
area.

3713
01:57:04,590 --> 01:57:07,127
The line went around it.

3714
01:57:07,127 --> 01:57:08,361
We will be paying for all the

3715
01:57:08,361 --> 01:57:09,696
infrastructure that we might

3716
01:57:09,696 --> 01:57:12,696
need here by the way.

3717
01:57:12,733 --> 01:57:14,168
This is just a massive burden

3718
01:57:14,168 --> 01:57:15,603
that we're putting on us now

3719
01:57:15,603 --> 01:57:16,804
when we don't even have the

3720
01:57:16,804 --> 01:57:18,973
infrastructure in place for what

3721
01:57:18,973 --> 01:57:20,973
we have.

3722
01:57:21,809 --> 01:57:25,409
But secondly, the, I don't see

3723
01:57:25,547 --> 01:57:26,848
any reason why there can't be a

3724
01:57:26,848 --> 01:57:29,248
renewable energy for the

3725
01:57:29,851 --> 01:57:31,253
300 acres or so that is promised

3726
01:57:31,253 --> 01:57:33,890
already first because I know

3727
01:57:33,890 --> 01:57:36,920
that there is lots of places

3728
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:39,162
that are very interested in at

3729
01:57:39,162 --> 01:57:39,662
least 300 acres of solar

3730
01:57:39,662 --> 01:57:40,564
panels.

3731
01:57:40,564 --> 01:57:42,232
In fact I think they have said

3732
01:57:42,232 --> 01:57:44,534
that they have, you know, that a

3733
01:57:44,534 --> 01:57:48,134
minimum of 100 acres, so I can't

3734
01:57:48,472 --> 01:57:50,541
see why that can't be part of

3735
01:57:50,541 --> 01:57:51,309
the promise was made as part of

3736
01:57:51,309 --> 01:57:53,709
this, it was originally

3737
01:57:54,646 --> 01:57:57,460
developed totally for that

3738
01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:00,480
supposedly, and it's always been

3739
01:58:02,154 --> 01:58:02,755
a, you know, camel's nose under

3740
01:58:02,755 --> 01:58:04,560
the tent.

3741
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:05,157
I never expected to have the

3742
01:58:05,157 --> 01:58:07,157
original park developed.

3743
01:58:07,660 --> 01:58:09,295
It was just breaking open

3744
01:58:09,295 --> 01:58:09,762
3,000 acres of the urban service

3745
01:58:09,762 --> 01:58:11,762
area.

3746
01:58:12,933 --> 01:58:14,868
Then secondly, we have -- we

3747
01:58:14,868 --> 01:58:17,104
passed last year, because the

3748
01:58:17,104 --> 01:58:18,806
first proposal never made any

3749
01:58:18,806 --> 01:58:22,406
sense anyway, but I couldn't see

3750
01:58:22,477 --> 01:58:24,112
a reason.

3751
01:58:24,112 --> 01:58:26,414
we were asked to change the text

3752
01:58:26,414 --> 01:58:27,316
amendment to not make it be two

3753
01:58:27,316 --> 01:58:28,283
types of energy because that

3754
01:58:28,283 --> 01:58:30,683
didn't make any sense.

3755
01:58:31,453 --> 01:58:32,655
It never really made any sense,

3756
01:58:32,655 --> 01:58:35,570
but we did that because it

3757
01:58:35,570 --> 01:58:36,793
didn't make any sense.

3758
01:58:36,793 --> 01:58:39,950
But I was hoping at least that

3759
01:58:39,950 --> 01:58:40,530
out of this we could first get

3760
01:58:40,530 --> 01:58:43,166
like I couldn't imagine anything

3761
01:58:43,166 --> 01:58:46,170
else that it could be besides

3762
01:58:46,170 --> 01:58:47,471
several hundred acres of, you

3763
01:58:47,471 --> 01:58:49,471
know, solar panels.

3764
01:58:49,774 --> 01:58:51,309
And I don't see any reason why

3765
01:58:51,309 --> 01:58:52,844
that can't as the text amendment

3766
01:58:52,844 --> 01:58:55,547
stated, and as we were asked to

3767
01:58:55,547 --> 01:58:57,150
do last year, why that can't at

3768
01:58:57,150 --> 01:58:59,415
least initially define this

3769
01:59:00,519 --> 01:59:01,520
because that would make a good

3770
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:03,920
use for this community.

3771
01:59:06,793 --> 01:59:09,329
Make a good use for whoever has

3772
01:59:09,329 --> 01:59:11,431
the land and would require less

3773
01:59:11,431 --> 01:59:14,431
infrastructure out there at this

3774
01:59:14,602 --> 01:59:18,202
time than so much else would.

3775
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:22,243
So I, you know, I think this is

3776
01:59:22,243 --> 01:59:24,120
just a huge chunk without very,

3777
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:26,181
understanding this at all, I

3778
01:59:26,181 --> 01:59:28,550
obviously won't be supporting it

3779
01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:30,252
now, and I just think we have to

3780
01:59:30,252 --> 01:59:31,520
be so much more careful about

3781
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:33,856
this, and if these areas want to

3782
01:59:33,856 --> 01:59:37,360
be developed, I just think -- it

3783
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:39,280
should probably be done in

3784
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:39,896
tandem with a zoning arrangement

3785
01:59:39,896 --> 01:59:40,997
of some sort.

3786
01:59:40,997 --> 01:59:43,997
So we understand what's going

3787
01:59:44,935 --> 01:59:45,903
out there, what impacts are, on

3788
01:59:45,903 --> 01:59:48,303
what infrastructure we ned.

3789
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:52,310
It just, I mean, this is huge

3790
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:54,710
with so little information.

3791
01:59:56,748 --> 01:59:57,883
I'm kind of, you know, stunned.

3792
01:59:57,883 --> 02:00:01,483
I always wondered how this was

3793
02:00:01,687 --> 02:00:02,888
going to come, but, I obviously

3794
02:00:02,888 --> 02:00:04,123
am not supporting this, and I

3795
02:00:04,123 --> 02:00:05,958
think we have many, many more

3796
02:00:05,958 --> 02:00:07,694
questions, and this should be

3797
02:00:07,694 --> 02:00:09,996
pushed down the road at this

3798
02:00:09,996 --> 02:00:12,298
time because I just think, and

3799
02:00:12,298 --> 02:00:15,898
I'd like to see that energy

3800
02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:17,905
park, whatever it be, finally,

3801
02:00:17,905 --> 02:00:20,508
put in first, and I don't see

3802
02:00:20,508 --> 02:00:22,443
where that is a, a burden to

3803
02:00:22,443 --> 02:00:26,430
this because I think there's a

3804
02:00:27,482 --> 02:00:29,918
lot of interest in that, you

3805
02:00:29,918 --> 02:00:31,987
know, by several large interests

3806
02:00:31,987 --> 02:00:32,955
in the area.

3807
02:00:32,955 --> 02:00:33,255
>> ken hagan: commissioner

3808
02:00:33,255 --> 02:00:34,723
cohen.

3809
02:00:34,723 --> 02:00:35,624
>> harry cohen: yeah, I just

3810
02:00:35,624 --> 02:00:36,258
want to get some clarification

3811
02:00:36,258 --> 02:00:38,258
from the staff.

3812
02:00:39,529 --> 02:00:41,631
I was under the impression that

3813
02:00:41,631 --> 02:00:43,633
this motion would result in a

3814
02:00:43,633 --> 02:00:44,901
workshop taking place to have a

3815
02:00:44,901 --> 02:00:47,301
discussion of all this.

3816
02:00:47,638 --> 02:00:48,372
And if, is that correct?

3817
02:00:48,372 --> 02:00:50,772
>> yes, if I MAY.

3818
02:00:51,420 --> 02:00:52,676
This is an extra step before all

3819
02:00:52,676 --> 02:00:54,945
of that gets started.

3820
02:00:54,945 --> 02:00:58,545
Before the typical process of a

3821
02:01:01,987 --> 02:01:03,220
workshop to public hearings.

3822
02:01:03,220 --> 02:01:04,560
>> harry cohen: so wouldn't the

3823
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:05,691
moment to talk about this be in

3824
02:01:05,691 --> 02:01:09,291
a workshop setting where we have

3825
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:12,498
opportunity to be briefed by the

3826
02:01:12,498 --> 02:01:13,366
staff?

3827
02:01:13,366 --> 02:01:14,567
You have clearly raise adton of

3828
02:01:14,567 --> 02:01:16,360
issues here but it seems to me

3829
02:01:16,360 --> 02:01:20,836
that the motion was to lay it on

3830
02:01:23,310 --> 02:01:24,745
the table and talk about it.

3831
02:01:24,745 --> 02:01:25,713
I'm trying to see if that is

3832
02:01:25,713 --> 02:01:27,810
maybe where it takes us.

3833
02:01:27,810 --> 02:01:27,983
>> if I MAY, the motion would be

3834
02:01:27,983 --> 02:01:28,282
to proceed or not to proceed

3835
02:01:28,282 --> 02:01:30,282
today.

3836
02:01:33,155 --> 02:01:35,324
That is the motion.

3837
02:01:35,324 --> 02:01:35,858
>> ken hagan: any of the board

3838
02:01:35,858 --> 02:01:36,892
comments?

3839
02:01:36,892 --> 02:01:38,494
If not, we have a motion to

3840
02:01:38,494 --> 02:01:39,729
approve by commissioner owen,

3841
02:01:39,729 --> 02:01:41,698
second commissioner wostal.

3842
02:01:41,698 --> 02:01:42,565
Commissioner myers.

3843
02:01:42,565 --> 02:01:43,399
>> gwen myers: a point of

3844
02:01:43,399 --> 02:01:45,235
clarification because I was

3845
02:01:45,235 --> 02:01:48,172
under the impression that the

3846
02:01:48,172 --> 02:01:48,672
vote would lead to the

3847
02:01:48,672 --> 02:01:50,240
workshop.

3848
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:51,142
We vote yes and we move into the

3849
02:01:51,142 --> 02:01:52,776
workshop.

3850
02:01:52,776 --> 02:01:53,511
Is that --

3851
02:01:53,511 --> 02:01:54,312
>> ken hagan: yes.

3852
02:01:54,312 --> 02:01:54,912
>> gwen myers: okay, thank you.

3853
02:01:54,912 --> 02:01:55,646
>> ken hagan: okay.

3854
02:01:55,646 --> 02:01:58,646
No other comments, please record

3855
02:02:01,152 --> 02:02:03,152
your vote.

3856
02:02:09,628 --> 02:02:10,663
>> motion carried 6-1,

3857
02:02:10,663 --> 02:02:12,532
commissioner kemp voted no.

3858
02:02:12,532 --> 02:02:14,367
>> ken hagan: last item?

3859
02:02:14,367 --> 02:02:16,235
>> item I-1.

3860
02:02:16,235 --> 02:02:17,103
A report on the comprehensive

3861
02:02:17,103 --> 02:02:18,405
plan and land development code

3862
02:02:18,405 --> 02:02:19,139
of the community requirements

3863
02:02:19,139 --> 02:02:20,708
for wimauma.

3864
02:02:20,708 --> 02:02:21,800
Adam gormly will speak to this

3865
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:23,800
item.

3866
02:02:24,478 --> 02:02:25,713
>> commissioners, item I-1 is a

3867
02:02:25,713 --> 02:02:27,148
report requested by the board at

3868
02:02:27,148 --> 02:02:30,148
the JULY land use meeting.

3869
02:02:30,685 --> 02:02:31,920
This was in the context of

3870
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:33,254
considering council grower's

3871
02:02:33,254 --> 02:02:35,654
rezoning application, which was

3872
02:02:35,891 --> 02:02:37,259
approved by this board.

3873
02:02:37,259 --> 02:02:40,859
That was the first rezoning that

3874
02:02:41,464 --> 02:02:43,266
the board has heard under the

3875
02:02:43,266 --> 02:02:43,566
new wimauma village residential

3876
02:02:43,566 --> 02:02:45,566
rules.

3877
02:02:45,835 --> 02:02:47,671
Just brief background, the area

3878
02:02:47,671 --> 02:02:48,638
of wimauma is covered by a

3879
02:02:48,638 --> 02:02:50,240
community plan.

3880
02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:53,240
And within that community plan

3881
02:02:54,178 --> 02:02:56,614
there are some future land use

3882
02:02:56,614 --> 02:02:59,140
categories that are wimauma,

3883
02:02:59,150 --> 02:03:00,985
residential village 2, sorry,

3884
02:03:00,985 --> 02:03:01,286
wimauma village residential two,

3885
02:03:01,286 --> 02:03:03,286
wvr-2.

3886
02:03:03,621 --> 02:03:06,621
These are areas that were

3887
02:03:06,825 --> 02:03:07,926
previously designated as rp-2,

3888
02:03:07,926 --> 02:03:09,862
residential plan-2.

3889
02:03:09,862 --> 02:03:11,862
But during the 2007

3890
02:03:13,666 --> 02:03:14,968
establishment of the wimauma

3891
02:03:14,968 --> 02:03:15,702
community plan, they were

3892
02:03:15,702 --> 02:03:18,738
changed to the wvr-2 future land

3893
02:03:18,738 --> 02:03:19,372
use category.

3894
02:03:19,372 --> 02:03:21,372
That category previously

3895
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:29,500
required that certain job and

3896
02:03:29,500 --> 02:03:30,585
shopping square footage be in

3897
02:03:30,585 --> 02:03:32,187
place to support residential

3898
02:03:32,187 --> 02:03:34,587
development within the village.

3899
02:03:34,723 --> 02:03:35,390
That was the subject of several

3900
02:03:35,390 --> 02:03:37,790
rezonings, and also several

3901
02:03:40,763 --> 02:03:42,763
challenges.

3902
02:03:42,932 --> 02:03:45,340
In response to some feedback the

3903
02:03:45,340 --> 02:03:46,236
board received, there was

3904
02:03:46,236 --> 02:03:49,236
direction to review the wimauma

3905
02:03:49,272 --> 02:03:51,272
community plan.

3906
02:03:53,343 --> 02:03:57,810
As part of that, there was a set

3907
02:03:57,810 --> 02:03:59,481
of regulations developed for

3908
02:03:59,750 --> 02:04:00,451
wvr-2 land use categories, and

3909
02:04:00,451 --> 02:04:01,152
those established criteria

3910
02:04:01,152 --> 02:04:05,352
needed to be met in order to

3911
02:04:06,758 --> 02:04:09,161
develop the category at greater

3912
02:04:09,161 --> 02:04:10,462
than the base one uit per five

3913
02:04:10,462 --> 02:04:14,662
jakers, up to the two units per

3914
02:04:17,871 --> 02:04:19,138
one acre maximum.

3915
02:04:19,138 --> 02:04:19,873
The regulations have

3916
02:04:19,873 --> 02:04:22,273
requirements that include open

3917
02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:28,282
space and designing the project

3918
02:04:28,282 --> 02:04:29,283
in blocks, and this report is a

3919
02:04:29,283 --> 02:04:31,283
requirement that community

3920
02:04:31,486 --> 02:04:33,486
benefits be required.

3921
02:04:36,124 --> 02:04:36,825
So the community benefits are

3922
02:04:36,825 --> 02:04:39,225
either on-site or off-site

3923
02:04:40,228 --> 02:04:40,930
elements that are required of

3924
02:04:40,930 --> 02:04:43,330
developments depending on the

3925
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:46,000
project size.

3926
02:04:48,672 --> 02:04:50,674
The community benefits are

3927
02:04:50,674 --> 02:04:50,974
projects that are less than 25

3928
02:04:50,974 --> 02:04:52,750
acres.

3929
02:04:52,750 --> 02:04:54,770
There's one community benefit

3930
02:04:54,770 --> 02:04:54,778
required, up to a total of six

3931
02:04:54,778 --> 02:04:57,778
for projects that are greater

3932
02:04:58,382 --> 02:05:00,382
than 320 acres.

3933
02:05:00,451 --> 02:05:01,986
The community benefits are

3934
02:05:01,986 --> 02:05:04,188
listed in the report.

3935
02:05:04,188 --> 02:05:06,910
There are eight options to

3936
02:05:06,910 --> 02:05:08,910
choose from.

3937
02:05:08,693 --> 02:05:11,930
Those options are construction

3938
02:05:11,163 --> 02:05:11,864
of a trail or connection to a

3939
02:05:11,864 --> 02:05:14,864
trail, land dedication to the

3940
02:05:17,503 --> 02:05:19,806
county for use by recreational,

3941
02:05:19,806 --> 02:05:20,774
public or civic uses;

3942
02:05:20,774 --> 02:05:22,774
construction of new

3943
02:05:22,976 --> 02:05:24,612
non-residential uses in the

3944
02:05:24,612 --> 02:05:25,212
wimauma downtown; providing a

3945
02:05:25,212 --> 02:05:27,212
benefit that indirectly

3946
02:05:29,383 --> 02:05:30,251
contributes to furthering a

3947
02:05:30,251 --> 02:05:31,385
defined goal within the wimauma

3948
02:05:31,385 --> 02:05:32,320
community plan.

3949
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:35,590
And those are the first tier 1

3950
02:05:35,590 --> 02:05:37,590
benefits.

3951
02:05:37,993 --> 02:05:40,562
Each project is required to have

3952
02:05:40,562 --> 02:05:41,930
at least one tier 1 benefit.

3953
02:05:41,930 --> 02:05:42,564
There's four more in tier 2 and

3954
02:05:42,564 --> 02:05:44,964
those through transfer of

3955
02:05:46,569 --> 02:05:48,104
development rights at a minimum

3956
02:05:48,104 --> 02:05:50,504
of 10% from the development

3957
02:05:50,773 --> 02:05:53,543
parcel to the wimauma downtown;

3958
02:05:53,543 --> 02:05:56,543
next is land dedication for

3959
02:05:56,747 --> 02:05:58,782
elapp; and the next one is

3960
02:05:58,782 --> 02:06:01,182
increase in internal or

3961
02:06:01,285 --> 02:06:04,285
recreation open space; and the

3962
02:06:04,555 --> 02:06:05,290
last is construction of on-site

3963
02:06:05,290 --> 02:06:07,690
non-residential uses within the

3964
02:06:08,727 --> 02:06:10,727
required neighborhood center.

3965
02:06:13,432 --> 02:06:13,999
This is a fairly new concept for

3966
02:06:13,999 --> 02:06:14,633
the county.

3967
02:06:14,633 --> 02:06:16,736
It does exist in wimauma

3968
02:06:16,736 --> 02:06:18,304
village.

3969
02:06:18,304 --> 02:06:19,572
The concept of community

3970
02:06:19,572 --> 02:06:21,972
benefits, although they're a

3971
02:06:25,450 --> 02:06:28,450
little bit different, are also

3972
02:06:28,315 --> 02:06:28,716
present in the new rp-2

3973
02:06:28,716 --> 02:06:29,617
regulations.

3974
02:06:29,617 --> 02:06:30,251
However those are not effective

3975
02:06:30,251 --> 02:06:30,952
due to a challenge to the

3976
02:06:30,952 --> 02:06:32,952
comprehensive plan amendment.

3977
02:06:34,255 --> 02:06:37,855
That is the sort of structure

3978
02:06:39,294 --> 02:06:39,995
base of the community benefits.

3979
02:06:39,995 --> 02:06:43,595
I'll also note that the land

3980
02:06:44,733 --> 02:06:46,602
development code requires that

3981
02:06:46,602 --> 02:06:47,603
there be public meetings held

3982
02:06:47,603 --> 02:06:50,406
for before an application is

3983
02:06:50,406 --> 02:06:52,406
filed and post-filing.

3984
02:06:54,544 --> 02:06:55,979
And those are to be notified to

3985
02:06:55,979 --> 02:06:57,130
registered civic associations,

3986
02:06:57,130 --> 02:06:59,130
and neighborhood organizations,

3987
02:06:59,483 --> 02:07:00,151
and the purpose of those

3988
02:07:00,151 --> 02:07:03,151
meetings is to discuss the

3989
02:07:03,855 --> 02:07:06,255
provision of community benefits.

3990
02:07:06,257 --> 02:07:08,660
So, again, this topic did come

3991
02:07:08,660 --> 02:07:10,195
up in discussion with the

3992
02:07:10,195 --> 02:07:11,529
council grower's rezoning, and

3993
02:07:11,529 --> 02:07:13,320
the board directed this report

3994
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:15,301
for a separate discussion today.

3995
02:07:15,301 --> 02:07:17,737
It would be not intertwined with

3996
02:07:17,737 --> 02:07:20,137
that ten pending application.

3997
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:20,840
I'm available for any questions

3998
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:21,575
the board MAY have, or

3999
02:07:21,575 --> 02:07:23,975
additional information that is

4000
02:07:24,544 --> 02:07:25,512
needed.

4001
02:07:25,512 --> 02:07:25,879
>> ken hagan: all right.

4002
02:07:25,879 --> 02:07:26,413
Thank you.

4003
02:07:26,413 --> 02:07:27,114
Commissioner wostal?

4004
02:07:27,114 --> 02:07:28,448
>> joshua wostal: thank you,

4005
02:07:28,448 --> 02:07:30,448
MR. Chair.

4006
02:07:31,986 --> 02:07:34,288
And thank you, MR. Gormly,

4007
02:07:34,288 --> 02:07:35,623
for -- and MISS Zornitta, who is

4008
02:07:35,623 --> 02:07:36,290
not here, we had a lot of

4009
02:07:36,290 --> 02:07:38,290
meetings about this.

4010
02:07:39,327 --> 02:07:41,129
And we uncovered a lot of

4011
02:07:41,129 --> 02:07:41,730
information, a lot of

4012
02:07:41,730 --> 02:07:42,130
potentially concerning

4013
02:07:42,130 --> 02:07:43,298
information.

4014
02:07:43,298 --> 02:07:44,366
I'm not going to rehash all of

4015
02:07:44,366 --> 02:07:46,100
that today.

4016
02:07:46,100 --> 02:07:46,635
I think that community benefits

4017
02:07:46,635 --> 02:07:50,139
is a good idea that went

4018
02:07:50,139 --> 02:07:52,139
severely awry.

4019
02:07:52,809 --> 02:07:54,444
And for right now, it was

4020
02:07:54,444 --> 02:07:56,279
relegated to only one small area

4021
02:07:56,279 --> 02:07:57,447
of the county, and it's looking

4022
02:07:57,447 --> 02:07:57,714
to creep into a second one right

4023
02:07:57,714 --> 02:07:59,349
now.

4024
02:07:59,349 --> 02:08:01,552
But I see in the notes here that

4025
02:08:01,552 --> 02:08:04,789
we have a challenge going on.

4026
02:08:04,789 --> 02:08:05,723
And that's the only reason that

4027
02:08:05,723 --> 02:08:06,791
it hasn't progressed further

4028
02:08:06,791 --> 02:08:07,125
than wvr-2.

4029
02:08:07,125 --> 02:08:07,826
Correct?

4030
02:08:07,826 --> 02:08:08,526
Because there's some type of

4031
02:08:08,526 --> 02:08:10,926
pending litigation about the

4032
02:08:13,232 --> 02:08:15,000
community benefits?

4033
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:18,000
I mean, fellow board members,

4034
02:08:20,806 --> 02:08:23,309
we -- I've uncovered things down

4035
02:08:23,309 --> 02:08:24,410
from private, nondisclosed,

4036
02:08:24,410 --> 02:08:26,410
nonrecorded negotiations of

4037
02:08:28,348 --> 02:08:29,183
people's private property

4038
02:08:29,183 --> 02:08:31,583
rights, to these community

4039
02:08:33,220 --> 02:08:34,540
development benefits creating an

4040
02:08:34,540 --> 02:08:36,454
unsafe environment for those

4041
02:08:36,858 --> 02:08:37,959
that were involved in the

4042
02:08:37,959 --> 02:08:39,427
application process, being

4043
02:08:39,427 --> 02:08:41,129
warned that the temperature of

4044
02:08:41,129 --> 02:08:43,498
things that were happening in

4045
02:08:43,498 --> 02:08:44,933
wimauma could produce an unsafe

4046
02:08:44,933 --> 02:08:45,834
environment for individuals

4047
02:08:45,834 --> 02:08:47,670
entering that area.

4048
02:08:47,670 --> 02:08:48,437
I believe that this is not the

4049
02:08:48,437 --> 02:08:50,437
intent of government.

4050
02:08:52,742 --> 02:08:53,843
i believe that this is not the

4051
02:08:53,843 --> 02:08:55,645
intent of what a community

4052
02:08:55,645 --> 02:08:56,120
benefit plan is supposed to

4053
02:08:56,120 --> 02:08:58,120
establish.

4054
02:08:58,915 --> 02:09:01,118
I believe that a community

4055
02:09:01,118 --> 02:09:02,719
benefit plan giving citizens

4056
02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:04,121
power to say what they believe

4057
02:09:04,121 --> 02:09:04,988
would be a benefit to their

4058
02:09:04,988 --> 02:09:06,791
community is good.

4059
02:09:06,791 --> 02:09:08,659
But most of the time, when you

4060
02:09:08,659 --> 02:09:09,994
hear what the benefits are, that

4061
02:09:09,994 --> 02:09:11,429
residents want to be able to

4062
02:09:11,429 --> 02:09:12,564
override and say, well we know

4063
02:09:12,564 --> 02:09:14,299
you don't think that a stop

4064
02:09:14,299 --> 02:09:15,734
light might go there, but we

4065
02:09:15,734 --> 02:09:18,700
drive there, and we want a stop

4066
02:09:18,700 --> 02:09:18,804
light at that intersection,

4067
02:09:18,804 --> 02:09:21,741
before you put 500 homes or 500

4068
02:09:21,741 --> 02:09:23,442
apartments there.

4069
02:09:23,442 --> 02:09:25,245
And we want maybe a community

4070
02:09:25,245 --> 02:09:28,582
benefit is that we want that

4071
02:09:28,582 --> 02:09:29,883
stop light to be done before the

4072
02:09:29,883 --> 02:09:31,518
development goes into effect,

4073
02:09:31,518 --> 02:09:33,287
instead of aftrwards.

4074
02:09:33,287 --> 02:09:34,655
And, those can be established

4075
02:09:34,655 --> 02:09:36,156
through maybe allowing the

4076
02:09:36,156 --> 02:09:37,910
community benefits to reach an

4077
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:39,491
agreement with developers about

4078
02:09:40,610 --> 02:09:42,130
the use of their mobility fees.

4079
02:09:42,130 --> 02:09:43,565
And making sure that those

4080
02:09:43,565 --> 02:09:46,335
mobility fees stay directly in

4081
02:09:46,335 --> 02:09:47,350
their neighborhood pip know that

4082
02:09:47,350 --> 02:09:49,405
we have been reached out to

4083
02:09:49,405 --> 02:09:51,700
about some things that are going

4084
02:09:51,700 --> 02:09:51,908
down there in progress village.

4085
02:09:51,908 --> 02:09:54,410
So, I look forward to hearing

4086
02:09:54,410 --> 02:09:55,278
what everyone's thoughts are.

4087
02:09:55,278 --> 02:09:56,146
I don't feel the need to rehash

4088
02:09:56,146 --> 02:09:58,546
everything that was discussed

4089
02:10:01,351 --> 02:10:02,719
during the -- on my birthday

4090
02:10:02,719 --> 02:10:03,530
during the JULY 18th land use

4091
02:10:03,530 --> 02:10:05,530
meeting.

4092
02:10:06,190 --> 02:10:08,559
But I am going to make,

4093
02:10:08,559 --> 02:10:09,394
MR. Chair, I'm going to make one

4094
02:10:09,394 --> 02:10:10,940
motion, in that motion prevails

4095
02:10:10,940 --> 02:10:13,694
I'm going to make a secondary

4096
02:10:13,999 --> 02:10:15,999
motion.

4097
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:19,668
I motion to direct county staff

4098
02:10:20,506 --> 02:10:23,506
to work with the planning

4099
02:10:23,643 --> 02:10:26,430
commission to present options

4100
02:10:26,980 --> 02:10:29,516
that develop a uniform community

4101
02:10:29,516 --> 02:10:30,500
benefit code for all of

4102
02:10:30,500 --> 02:10:32,500
hillsborough county.

4103
02:10:33,253 --> 02:10:34,989
And the intent of that is to

4104
02:10:34,989 --> 02:10:37,525
reduce this -- this community

4105
02:10:37,525 --> 02:10:39,760
plan has one set of rules, this

4106
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:40,610
community plan has no set of

4107
02:10:40,610 --> 02:10:41,462
rules.

4108
02:10:41,462 --> 02:10:42,530
And how many community plans do

4109
02:10:42,530 --> 02:10:43,231
we have in hillsborough county?

4110
02:10:43,231 --> 02:10:44,632
It's 22.

4111
02:10:44,632 --> 02:10:47,169
Okay, I thought it was 23.

4112
02:10:47,169 --> 02:10:50,769
And that could create, also an

4113
02:10:50,906 --> 02:10:51,908
unknown safry and untenable

4114
02:10:51,908 --> 02:10:53,642
regulatory process.

4115
02:10:53,642 --> 02:10:55,450
Just if we're going to continue

4116
02:10:55,450 --> 02:10:56,713
this for the community benefits,

4117
02:10:56,713 --> 02:10:58,148
that the we create one uniform

4118
02:10:58,148 --> 02:10:59,449
plan, bring those options back,

4119
02:10:59,449 --> 02:11:01,985
please include some of those

4120
02:11:01,985 --> 02:11:04,385
things I've said, about

4121
02:11:08,192 --> 02:11:08,859
empowering those areas to

4122
02:11:08,859 --> 02:11:10,661
neighbor reappropriate the

4123
02:11:10,661 --> 02:11:11,696
mobility feet fee if that's what

4124
02:11:11,696 --> 02:11:12,830
we're looking for.

4125
02:11:12,830 --> 02:11:15,800
Certainly that those to be

4126
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:17,936
included in there would be that

4127
02:11:17,936 --> 02:11:20,336
there's only one required

4128
02:11:21,507 --> 02:11:25,107
meeting, and that at the same

4129
02:11:26,379 --> 02:11:27,113
time, MR. Gormly, how many

4130
02:11:27,113 --> 02:11:29,113
neighborhood associations were

4131
02:11:31,351 --> 02:11:33,351
in this area?

4132
02:11:37,291 --> 02:11:38,225
>> at the time, at the time of

4133
02:11:38,225 --> 02:11:40,328
the council grower's zoning

4134
02:11:40,328 --> 02:11:41,620
there was one registered.

4135
02:11:41,620 --> 02:11:42,663
>> joshua wostal: how many are

4136
02:11:42,663 --> 02:11:45,133
getting denied because of our

4137
02:11:45,133 --> 02:11:46,535
outdayed 20-year-old process?

4138
02:11:46,535 --> 02:11:48,700
>> I'm -- there was one other

4139
02:11:48,700 --> 02:11:50,172
that was applying that was not

4140
02:11:50,172 --> 02:11:53,442
able to qualify at that time.

4141
02:11:53,442 --> 02:11:53,743
I believe they have now resolved

4142
02:11:53,743 --> 02:11:55,743
that.

4143
02:11:56,312 --> 02:11:57,380
At the time there was only one.

4144
02:11:57,380 --> 02:11:58,848
>> joshua wostal: so in this

4145
02:11:58,848 --> 02:12:02,448
overhaul then, we need to, if

4146
02:12:02,485 --> 02:12:04,321
we're going to be including and

4147
02:12:04,321 --> 02:12:04,988
requiring that properly

4148
02:12:04,988 --> 02:12:05,923
registered neighborhood

4149
02:12:05,923 --> 02:12:08,920
associations are the ones that

4150
02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:09,827
are notified, that we have to

4151
02:12:09,827 --> 02:12:10,928
make it ease of access for

4152
02:12:10,928 --> 02:12:12,196
citizens that are just -- if

4153
02:12:12,196 --> 02:12:13,464
it's one person in a community,

4154
02:12:13,464 --> 02:12:15,200
and I don't know if that needs

4155
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:17,503
to be a separate motion, but

4156
02:12:17,503 --> 02:12:19,137
it's all tied in to this one

4157
02:12:19,137 --> 02:12:20,105
community benefits kind of

4158
02:12:20,105 --> 02:12:21,440
language, that we require these

4159
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:23,409
neighborhood associations to be

4160
02:12:23,409 --> 02:12:24,810
noticed, that if it's one

4161
02:12:24,810 --> 02:12:25,745
person, that doesn't like the

4162
02:12:25,745 --> 02:12:27,790
other 99 people in their

4163
02:12:27,790 --> 02:12:28,548
neighborhood, and they want to

4164
02:12:28,548 --> 02:12:30,183
be an association of one, then

4165
02:12:30,183 --> 02:12:31,117
by golly, they need to have --

4166
02:12:31,117 --> 02:12:32,686
if we're going to require them

4167
02:12:32,686 --> 02:12:33,353
to be a part of one of these to

4168
02:12:33,353 --> 02:12:36,290
have access to notice, then

4169
02:12:36,290 --> 02:12:39,290
that's what we must do.

4170
02:12:39,326 --> 02:12:41,796
So, my motion is very simply to

4171
02:12:41,796 --> 02:12:42,430
overhaul the community benefits

4172
02:12:42,430 --> 02:12:44,332
neighborhood association

4173
02:12:44,332 --> 02:12:45,433
registration process to make it

4174
02:12:45,433 --> 02:12:47,833
unified, uniform code throughout

4175
02:12:49,171 --> 02:12:49,872
hillsborough county.

4176
02:12:49,872 --> 02:12:50,572
>> ken hagan: okay we have a

4177
02:12:50,572 --> 02:12:52,972
motion by commissioner wostal.

4178
02:12:54,410 --> 02:12:55,912
Do we have a second?

4179
02:12:55,912 --> 02:12:57,480
>> michael owen: well, I think I

4180
02:12:57,480 --> 02:12:58,581
MAY ask first, MR. CHAIRMAN,

4181
02:12:58,581 --> 02:12:59,315
just ask some questions?

4182
02:12:59,315 --> 02:13:00,490
>> ken hagan: technically we

4183
02:13:00,490 --> 02:13:01,484
really need to have a second on

4184
02:13:01,484 --> 02:13:02,185
the floor.

4185
02:13:02,185 --> 02:13:04,585
>> michael owen: I'll second.

4186
02:13:08,258 --> 02:13:08,759
>> ken hagan: okay.

4187
02:13:08,759 --> 02:13:09,694
Commissioner owen?

4188
02:13:09,694 --> 02:13:10,610
>> michael owen: and just some

4189
02:13:10,610 --> 02:13:11,962
questions.

4190
02:13:11,962 --> 02:13:13,640
So uniform community benefits.

4191
02:13:13,640 --> 02:13:14,298
You know, because, you know, we

4192
02:13:14,298 --> 02:13:15,900
have community plans, and then

4193
02:13:15,900 --> 02:13:18,970
you add this other layer of

4194
02:13:18,970 --> 02:13:21,370
community benefits, and, you

4195
02:13:22,507 --> 02:13:23,442
know, seffner is different than

4196
02:13:23,442 --> 02:13:25,211
carrollwood and carrollwood is

4197
02:13:25,211 --> 02:13:28,281
different -- so I want to make

4198
02:13:28,281 --> 02:13:29,215
sure when we're talking about a

4199
02:13:29,215 --> 02:13:31,615
uniform community benefits are

4200
02:13:32,752 --> 02:13:35,388
those just going to be basic

4201
02:13:35,388 --> 02:13:37,788
requirements, rather than --

4202
02:13:38,125 --> 02:13:39,627
rather than hey, you must donate

4203
02:13:39,627 --> 02:13:41,663
property to elapp or you must

4204
02:13:41,663 --> 02:13:44,630
negotiate away your brokerage

4205
02:13:44,966 --> 02:13:45,667
rights to resell whatever amount

4206
02:13:45,667 --> 02:13:47,350
of affordable housing any of

4207
02:13:47,350 --> 02:13:47,735
these many issues that arose.

4208
02:13:47,735 --> 02:13:48,370
That they're well defined and

4209
02:13:48,370 --> 02:13:50,370
restricted and controlled.

4210
02:13:51,540 --> 02:13:52,374
>> michael owen: okay.

4211
02:13:52,374 --> 02:13:53,609
Yeah, because I think these

4212
02:13:53,609 --> 02:13:55,744
community plans, one of the

4213
02:13:55,744 --> 02:13:56,478
reasons I pushed to do a valrico

4214
02:13:56,478 --> 02:13:58,470
community plan is, you know,

4215
02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:59,348
these communities are different.

4216
02:13:59,348 --> 02:14:01,170
And valrico wants something

4217
02:14:01,170 --> 02:14:01,884
different than brandon, and

4218
02:14:01,884 --> 02:14:02,819
brandon wants something

4219
02:14:02,819 --> 02:14:03,954
different than carrollwood.

4220
02:14:03,954 --> 02:14:07,554
So if that's the case, I

4221
02:14:08,826 --> 02:14:10,826
understand the motion.

4222
02:14:11,462 --> 02:14:11,795
The question I have, and this is

4223
02:14:11,795 --> 02:14:13,795
unique.

4224
02:14:14,298 --> 02:14:15,399
This is my district the rp-2 and

4225
02:14:15,399 --> 02:14:16,734
the wvr-2 and it's obviously

4226
02:14:16,734 --> 02:14:17,802
very contentious.

4227
02:14:17,802 --> 02:14:19,471
And I really commend people in

4228
02:14:19,471 --> 02:14:21,640
the community for wanting to

4229
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:22,307
have a say in how their

4230
02:14:22,307 --> 02:14:23,742
community's developed.

4231
02:14:23,742 --> 02:14:26,512
I've learned firsthand, I grew

4232
02:14:26,512 --> 02:14:28,247
up in brandon, and river view,

4233
02:14:28,247 --> 02:14:29,150
and I learned firsthand what

4234
02:14:29,150 --> 02:14:30,983
it's like whenever the community

4235
02:14:30,983 --> 02:14:31,952
does not really engage and we

4236
02:14:31,952 --> 02:14:32,785
just start throwing up

4237
02:14:32,785 --> 02:14:34,821
commercial property and then

4238
02:14:34,821 --> 02:14:36,623
residential property.

4239
02:14:36,623 --> 02:14:37,924
But I also think, you know,

4240
02:14:37,924 --> 02:14:39,593
having a process that's a little

4241
02:14:39,593 --> 02:14:41,795
more uniform throughout the

4242
02:14:41,795 --> 02:14:44,795
county makes sense, because in

4243
02:14:47,568 --> 02:14:48,870
this case, you know, MR. Gormly,

4244
02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:51,172
just to clarify, there's a task

4245
02:14:51,172 --> 02:14:51,940
force to this attached to the

4246
02:14:51,940 --> 02:14:53,940
wvr-2, as well.

4247
02:14:55,100 --> 02:14:55,878
I wanted to make sure that for

4248
02:14:55,878 --> 02:14:56,612
the public, because I've got a

4249
02:14:56,612 --> 02:14:59,315
lot of questions on this, when

4250
02:14:59,315 --> 02:15:01,250
developers are negotiating, or

4251
02:15:01,250 --> 02:15:03,753
however you want to put it, the

4252
02:15:03,753 --> 02:15:06,153
community benefits plan, in

4253
02:15:07,900 --> 02:15:10,460
wvr-2, and maybe soon to be one

4254
02:15:10,460 --> 02:15:11,795
day rp-2, what authority does

4255
02:15:11,795 --> 02:15:14,195
the task force have?

4256
02:15:14,732 --> 02:15:16,701
Are they created by us, with

4257
02:15:16,701 --> 02:15:19,204
authority to be -- to negotiate

4258
02:15:19,204 --> 02:15:20,405
on behalf of, let's say, the

4259
02:15:20,405 --> 02:15:20,772
people of wimauma with a

4260
02:15:20,772 --> 02:15:22,207
developer?

4261
02:15:22,207 --> 02:15:24,443
Could you touch on that?

4262
02:15:24,443 --> 02:15:25,777
>> yeah, so, commissioner thank

4263
02:15:25,777 --> 02:15:26,978
you for asking that.

4264
02:15:26,978 --> 02:15:29,340
A question did come up during

4265
02:15:29,340 --> 02:15:31,340
the amendment process.

4266
02:15:34,153 --> 02:15:34,854
So, there is a reference to a

4267
02:15:34,854 --> 02:15:37,254
wimauma community task force,

4268
02:15:39,626 --> 02:15:41,294
the unadopted portion of the

4269
02:15:41,294 --> 02:15:42,563
community plan document.

4270
02:15:42,563 --> 02:15:44,980
So it is not -- that reference

4271
02:15:44,980 --> 02:15:44,832
is not a regulatory document,

4272
02:15:44,832 --> 02:15:49,320
and it does not have any force

4273
02:15:49,700 --> 02:15:50,939
of law.

4274
02:15:50,939 --> 02:15:54,539
I believe the reference was made

4275
02:15:56,545 --> 02:15:57,646
to try to have a voice that was

4276
02:15:57,646 --> 02:15:58,130
represented in the community's

4277
02:15:58,130 --> 02:16:00,130
interest.

4278
02:16:00,216 --> 02:16:03,816
But the group has no special

4279
02:16:03,820 --> 02:16:05,210
power, or standing above any

4280
02:16:05,210 --> 02:16:05,522
other participant in the

4281
02:16:05,522 --> 02:16:07,522
rezoning process.

4282
02:16:08,192 --> 02:16:09,993
They're not acting on behalf of

4283
02:16:09,993 --> 02:16:11,628
the board or the board's

4284
02:16:11,628 --> 02:16:14,565
interests or doesn't have -- and

4285
02:16:14,565 --> 02:16:17,340
there's no regulatory power or

4286
02:16:17,340 --> 02:16:17,335
status given to that -- to that

4287
02:16:17,335 --> 02:16:19,300
group.

4288
02:16:19,300 --> 02:16:20,705
I understand that there have

4289
02:16:20,705 --> 02:16:21,339
been a formation of that, and

4290
02:16:21,339 --> 02:16:23,339
there's some information

4291
02:16:27,612 --> 02:16:28,514
provided in the record of the

4292
02:16:28,514 --> 02:16:29,282
councillor growers' rezoning

4293
02:16:29,282 --> 02:16:30,282
about that.

4294
02:16:30,282 --> 02:16:30,983
But those were all private

4295
02:16:30,983 --> 02:16:33,352
actions taken with basically

4296
02:16:33,352 --> 02:16:35,352
private initiatives.

4297
02:16:35,488 --> 02:16:37,257
>> michael owen: okay.

4298
02:16:37,257 --> 02:16:37,958
Yeah, and believe me, this is no

4299
02:16:37,958 --> 02:16:41,558
knock on the task force, it's

4300
02:16:42,730 --> 02:16:43,430
just the concept of the few

4301
02:16:43,430 --> 02:16:46,430
making decisions for the many

4302
02:16:52,841 --> 02:16:54,776
that concerns me.

4303
02:16:54,776 --> 02:16:55,410
I'll sit back, and listen to

4304
02:16:55,410 --> 02:16:56,211
some other commissioners.

4305
02:16:56,211 --> 02:16:56,745
I MAY get back in the queue on

4306
02:16:56,745 --> 02:16:58,414
this one.

4307
02:16:58,414 --> 02:16:59,215
But I'd like to hear some more

4308
02:16:59,215 --> 02:17:00,716
commissioners' input.

4309
02:17:00,716 --> 02:17:01,383
I know that this was voted on by

4310
02:17:01,383 --> 02:17:03,383
the prior board.

4311
02:17:03,486 --> 02:17:04,887
I don't know how I feel about

4312
02:17:04,887 --> 02:17:05,388
just the community benefits plan

4313
02:17:05,388 --> 02:17:06,823
at all.

4314
02:17:06,823 --> 02:17:08,792
I know we had a jobs requirement

4315
02:17:08,792 --> 02:17:11,792
that was an issue, right?

4316
02:17:12,996 --> 02:17:13,664
So then we created --

4317
02:17:13,664 --> 02:17:15,664
>> yes, sir.

4318
02:17:18,836 --> 02:17:22,407
So the prior wvr-2 had a -- a

4319
02:17:22,407 --> 02:17:24,807
requirement that certain number

4320
02:17:25,477 --> 02:17:27,646
of jobs, service opportunities

4321
02:17:27,646 --> 02:17:28,313
be created before residential

4322
02:17:28,313 --> 02:17:30,313
development could occur.

4323
02:17:30,716 --> 02:17:34,621
And there was a ratio of demand,

4324
02:17:34,621 --> 02:17:36,550
of different type of uses, and

4325
02:17:36,550 --> 02:17:38,491
so that created to an analysis

4326
02:17:38,491 --> 02:17:39,726
of existing square footage

4327
02:17:39,726 --> 02:17:42,126
within the wimauma downtown.

4328
02:17:43,764 --> 02:17:43,888
It needed to be present in order

4329
02:17:43,888 --> 02:17:45,888
to support residential

4330
02:17:47,368 --> 02:17:48,335
development taking place.

4331
02:17:48,335 --> 02:17:50,938
And there were two rezonings

4332
02:17:50,938 --> 02:17:54,538
that utilized that, and then one

4333
02:17:55,777 --> 02:17:57,913
of them was fully utilized, the

4334
02:17:57,913 --> 02:17:58,580
square footage to support the

4335
02:17:58,580 --> 02:18:00,382
residential that they were

4336
02:18:00,382 --> 02:18:02,251
seeking.

4337
02:18:02,251 --> 02:18:03,652
The other partially -- partially

4338
02:18:03,652 --> 02:18:05,421
supported by that square

4339
02:18:05,421 --> 02:18:06,355
footage, and the rest has come

4340
02:18:06,355 --> 02:18:06,723
as projects have developed in

4341
02:18:06,723 --> 02:18:07,457
the area.

4342
02:18:07,457 --> 02:18:10,457
There were several others that

4343
02:18:14,398 --> 02:18:14,798
were denied for not meeting that

4344
02:18:14,798 --> 02:18:15,799
requirement.

4345
02:18:15,799 --> 02:18:17,134
Through the update of the

4346
02:18:17,134 --> 02:18:20,134
wimauma community plan we saw

4347
02:18:20,772 --> 02:18:22,807
that this was a well-meaning

4348
02:18:22,807 --> 02:18:25,760
initiative, found the reality

4349
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:28,760
wasn't working, that the jobs

4350
02:18:28,847 --> 02:18:30,682
would come first and withdraw on

4351
02:18:30,682 --> 02:18:33,820
residential development in that

4352
02:18:33,385 --> 02:18:34,860
area was not working.

4353
02:18:34,860 --> 02:18:34,820
>> michael owen: that's what

4354
02:18:34,820 --> 02:18:36,220
kind of concerns me when I look

4355
02:18:36,220 --> 02:18:39,158
at the community benefits and I

4356
02:18:39,158 --> 02:18:40,794
look at looks like it's based on

4357
02:18:40,794 --> 02:18:41,695
acreage, how many of those

4358
02:18:41,695 --> 02:18:42,262
community benefits you would

4359
02:18:42,262 --> 02:18:44,300
choose, correct?

4360
02:18:44,300 --> 02:18:44,932
>> thaekt.

4361
02:18:44,932 --> 02:18:45,599
>> michael owen: I see thngs

4362
02:18:45,599 --> 02:18:47,201
like affordable housing

4363
02:18:47,201 --> 02:18:48,168
components where there's not

4364
02:18:48,168 --> 02:18:48,636
jobs, where there's not public

4365
02:18:48,636 --> 02:18:49,336
transportation.

4366
02:18:49,336 --> 02:18:51,606
And to me that is definitely

4367
02:18:51,606 --> 02:18:54,208
putting a cart before the horse.

4368
02:18:54,208 --> 02:18:55,443
And we talk about a bustling

4369
02:18:55,443 --> 02:18:56,211
downtown, wimauma, which I hope

4370
02:18:56,211 --> 02:18:58,611
to get one day.

4371
02:18:59,470 --> 02:19:02,647
You know, maybe one day this

4372
02:19:03,890 --> 02:19:03,191
whole county will be one big

4373
02:19:03,191 --> 02:19:03,753
grid and one big metropolis.

4374
02:19:03,753 --> 02:19:04,987
I'll be gone from this earth.

4375
02:19:04,987 --> 02:19:05,287
But that's probably where we're

4376
02:19:05,287 --> 02:19:06,656
going.

4377
02:19:06,656 --> 02:19:07,523
But I have a real good

4378
02:19:07,523 --> 02:19:07,857
understanding of things in south

4379
02:19:07,857 --> 02:19:08,724
county.

4380
02:19:08,724 --> 02:19:10,894
I was raised there.

4381
02:19:10,894 --> 02:19:13,797
I look at these two areas, and I

4382
02:19:13,797 --> 02:19:14,898
look at places like lithia, and,

4383
02:19:14,898 --> 02:19:16,266
you know, our commercial in

4384
02:19:16,266 --> 02:19:17,902
lithia has not really taken off.

4385
02:19:17,902 --> 02:19:19,170
But if you list your house for

4386
02:19:19,170 --> 02:19:21,570
sale, commissioner myers, today,

4387
02:19:22,707 --> 02:19:23,730
you live in fishhawk, it's sold

4388
02:19:23,730 --> 02:19:25,730
tomorrow.

4389
02:19:25,209 --> 02:19:27,545
So, the commercial tends to

4390
02:19:27,545 --> 02:19:27,846
still concentrate on those urban

4391
02:19:27,846 --> 02:19:29,846
cores.

4392
02:19:30,583 --> 02:19:31,717
And I consider brandon riverview

4393
02:19:31,717 --> 02:19:32,551
in your district, commissioner

4394
02:19:32,551 --> 02:19:33,852
myers, urban core.

4395
02:19:33,852 --> 02:19:34,586
But it's going to take awhile

4396
02:19:34,586 --> 02:19:38,186
for places like wimauma and balm

4397
02:19:39,258 --> 02:19:41,194
to have anything but, you know,

4398
02:19:41,194 --> 02:19:42,228
a dentist's office, an insurance

4399
02:19:42,228 --> 02:19:42,962
company, and things like that.

4400
02:19:42,962 --> 02:19:46,660
i've seen the commercial on the

4401
02:19:46,660 --> 02:19:46,533
outskirts of east county and

4402
02:19:46,533 --> 02:19:48,533
south county.

4403
02:19:49,300 --> 02:19:51,710
And what I worry about is some

4404
02:19:51,710 --> 02:19:51,806
of these requirements in here,

4405
02:19:51,806 --> 02:19:54,806
MAY hold the community actually

4406
02:19:54,842 --> 02:19:56,440
back.

4407
02:19:56,440 --> 02:19:57,278
So that's all I have for now.

4408
02:19:57,278 --> 02:19:57,912
I'm going to support the motion.

4409
02:19:57,912 --> 02:19:58,279
I'll sit back and listen.

4410
02:19:58,279 --> 02:19:58,880
Thank you.

4411
02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:01,280
>> ken hagan: all right.

4412
02:20:02,284 --> 02:20:04,284
Thank you.

4413
02:20:05,788 --> 02:20:06,522
I've just got one question.

4414
02:20:06,522 --> 02:20:07,156
Procedurally I'm assuming this

4415
02:20:07,156 --> 02:20:07,523
would require a comp plan

4416
02:20:07,523 --> 02:20:08,457
amendment?

4417
02:20:08,457 --> 02:20:09,692
>> yes, sir.

4418
02:20:09,692 --> 02:20:10,793
>> ken hagan: would it replace

4419
02:20:10,793 --> 02:20:12,562
the wimauma one?

4420
02:20:12,562 --> 02:20:13,496
Or would we have to rescind that

4421
02:20:13,496 --> 02:20:14,764
or how would that --

4422
02:20:14,764 --> 02:20:17,164
>> well, a couple things.

4423
02:20:17,968 --> 02:20:18,769
Thank you for that question.

4424
02:20:18,769 --> 02:20:19,403
So, the wimauma community

4425
02:20:19,403 --> 02:20:21,403
benefit requirements are

4426
02:20:26,577 --> 02:20:27,345
grounded in the -- in the

4427
02:20:27,345 --> 02:20:28,346
comprehensive plan.

4428
02:20:28,346 --> 02:20:29,347
It's a comprehensive plan

4429
02:20:29,347 --> 02:20:30,615
initiated to change that.

4430
02:20:30,615 --> 02:20:32,384
Thaz also in the land

4431
02:20:32,384 --> 02:20:33,850
development code so any change

4432
02:20:33,850 --> 02:20:33,819
that is made in the

4433
02:20:33,819 --> 02:20:34,386
comprehensive plan would also be

4434
02:20:34,386 --> 02:20:34,887
reflected in the land

4435
02:20:34,887 --> 02:20:36,887
development code.

4436
02:20:39,192 --> 02:20:40,493
In terms of changes or new

4437
02:20:40,493 --> 02:20:43,493
regulations, one of the things

4438
02:20:44,597 --> 02:20:48,797
that we will need to put through

4439
02:20:49,536 --> 02:20:51,720
the filter of is, a new law this

4440
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:51,839
past session, senate bill 250,

4441
02:20:51,839 --> 02:20:54,839
and that prohibits us from

4442
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:59,247
proposing or enacting more

4443
02:20:59,247 --> 02:20:59,914
restrictive or burdensome

4444
02:20:59,914 --> 02:21:00,615
comprehensive plan or land

4445
02:21:00,615 --> 02:21:02,615
development code regulations.

4446
02:21:06,789 --> 02:21:07,823
So in terms of the an areawide

4447
02:21:07,823 --> 02:21:09,325
expansion we would need to

4448
02:21:09,325 --> 02:21:11,127
filter that to make sure if this

4449
02:21:11,127 --> 02:21:12,128
was the direction, that did not

4450
02:21:12,128 --> 02:21:13,429
result in anything more

4451
02:21:13,429 --> 02:21:15,829
burdensome or restrictive, at

4452
02:21:15,865 --> 02:21:17,868
least until OCTOBER 1st of 2024,

4453
02:21:17,868 --> 02:21:18,335
which is when that is set to

4454
02:21:18,335 --> 02:21:20,170
expire.

4455
02:21:20,170 --> 02:21:22,106
Sorry, long answer but yes, it

4456
02:21:22,106 --> 02:21:25,106
would require change to the

4457
02:21:26,760 --> 02:21:28,913
comprehensive plan, and the land

4458
02:21:28,913 --> 02:21:29,914
development code, and what I'm

4459
02:21:29,914 --> 02:21:30,582
understanding is this -- what I

4460
02:21:30,582 --> 02:21:33,582
understand the motion to be

4461
02:21:34,353 --> 02:21:35,530
replacement of what is there.

4462
02:21:35,530 --> 02:21:35,621
>> joshua wostal: I'm looking

4463
02:21:35,621 --> 02:21:35,954
for options right now.

4464
02:21:35,954 --> 02:21:36,555
>> okay.

4465
02:21:36,555 --> 02:21:38,955
>> ken hagan: thank you.

4466
02:21:42,528 --> 02:21:43,863
Commissioner kemp?

4467
02:21:43,863 --> 02:21:46,330
>> pat kemp: that -- and I'm

4468
02:21:46,330 --> 02:21:46,933
still -- I'm still not quite

4469
02:21:46,933 --> 02:21:48,933
understanding that motion.

4470
02:21:51,171 --> 02:21:52,573
But let me just speak a little

4471
02:21:52,573 --> 02:21:54,308
bit to wimauma and balm.

4472
02:21:54,308 --> 02:21:55,509
They're the only places that

4473
02:21:55,509 --> 02:21:56,611
have community benefits in place

4474
02:21:56,611 --> 02:21:57,478
at this time, correct?

4475
02:21:57,478 --> 02:21:59,478
>> yes.

4476
02:22:00,214 --> 02:22:02,170
>> pat kemp: and one of the

4477
02:22:02,170 --> 02:22:04,820
reasons that that happened is

4478
02:22:04,820 --> 02:22:06,989
it's happening more all over the

4479
02:22:06,989 --> 02:22:09,792
country, a recognition of this

4480
02:22:09,792 --> 02:22:10,760
kind of community engagement,

4481
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:14,360
and it's been, you know, being

4482
02:22:16,199 --> 02:22:18,599
used in other areas.

4483
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:20,270
But, wimauma and balm have one

4484
02:22:20,270 --> 02:22:22,670
long, long litigious history.

4485
02:22:22,673 --> 02:22:26,243
It started I think in the '80s

4486
02:22:26,243 --> 02:22:27,778
or '90s, a major lawsuit was

4487
02:22:27,778 --> 02:22:30,515
done there, and part of the

4488
02:22:30,515 --> 02:22:32,718
condition of the lawsuit that

4489
02:22:32,718 --> 02:22:34,152
was between state and the

4490
02:22:34,152 --> 02:22:34,452
county, that's correct, at the

4491
02:22:34,452 --> 02:22:36,452
time?

4492
02:22:37,756 --> 02:22:40,526
>> I believe there was a

4493
02:22:40,526 --> 02:22:41,327
challenge by the state

4494
02:22:41,327 --> 02:22:43,620
allocations in the comprehensive

4495
02:22:43,620 --> 02:22:44,130
plan.

4496
02:22:44,130 --> 02:22:45,365
>> pat kemp: right, so there was

4497
02:22:45,365 --> 02:22:46,733
a settlement made at that time.

4498
02:22:46,733 --> 02:22:49,469
This was a long, long time ago.

4499
02:22:49,469 --> 02:22:50,537
And they required that in order

4500
02:22:50,537 --> 02:22:53,400
to develop out there, that you

4501
02:22:53,400 --> 02:22:56,640
were going to have to develop

4502
02:22:58,145 --> 02:22:59,347
town centers, villages, like

4503
02:22:59,347 --> 02:23:00,248
little country towns like I

4504
02:23:00,248 --> 02:23:01,649
guess was the idea.

4505
02:23:01,649 --> 02:23:01,950
Which I kind of think is a good

4506
02:23:01,950 --> 02:23:03,950
thing.

4507
02:23:04,190 --> 02:23:07,323
I think they were trying to do a

4508
02:23:07,323 --> 02:23:09,723
better development pattern than

4509
02:23:10,926 --> 02:23:13,326
the monoculture sprawl that

4510
02:23:15,498 --> 02:23:17,133
fills our roads, and causes our

4511
02:23:17,133 --> 02:23:18,468
infrastructure issues by

4512
02:23:18,468 --> 02:23:19,169
congregating development, and

4513
02:23:19,169 --> 02:23:22,769
that was the idea behind the

4514
02:23:23,340 --> 02:23:24,308
wimauma town center, too.

4515
02:23:24,308 --> 02:23:26,308
Congregating development, denser

4516
02:23:26,443 --> 02:23:30,381
in a small area, so that you

4517
02:23:30,381 --> 02:23:31,950
could go to it, and have the

4518
02:23:31,950 --> 02:23:32,951
amenities of that area, you

4519
02:23:32,951 --> 02:23:34,653
know, presumably maybe if it was

4520
02:23:34,653 --> 02:23:38,253
a rural area, some of the

4521
02:23:39,992 --> 02:23:42,992
businesses that would sort of

4522
02:23:43,129 --> 02:23:46,166
farms and rule needs, if it

4523
02:23:46,166 --> 02:23:49,369
was -- became a -- a more like a

4524
02:23:49,369 --> 02:23:50,837
small town, maybe some of the

4525
02:23:50,837 --> 02:23:52,837
neighborhood commercial there,

4526
02:23:53,841 --> 02:23:55,543
for jobs, and for trip capture,

4527
02:23:55,543 --> 02:23:57,943
which we unfortunately that's

4528
02:23:59,714 --> 02:24:03,757
the reason our roads are -- are

4529
02:24:03,757 --> 02:24:03,863
packed, you know, when people

4530
02:24:03,863 --> 02:24:06,655
don't have a, even a small

4531
02:24:06,655 --> 02:24:09,910
grocery store, or, you know, a

4532
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:10,559
child care center, or a barber

4533
02:24:10,559 --> 02:24:14,759
shop or place to have their hair

4534
02:24:15,798 --> 02:24:19,398
cut in those areas, that, you

4535
02:24:21,438 --> 02:24:22,439
know, that we just develop this

4536
02:24:22,439 --> 02:24:23,173
monoculture of, you know,

4537
02:24:23,173 --> 02:24:25,573
single-family homes on however

4538
02:24:26,143 --> 02:24:27,144
many acres and have none of the

4539
02:24:27,144 --> 02:24:28,879
neighborhood commercial

4540
02:24:28,879 --> 02:24:31,816
integrity, the jobs, just what

4541
02:24:31,816 --> 02:24:32,517
we actually approved today, a

4542
02:24:32,517 --> 02:24:34,886
business right there, in, in

4543
02:24:34,886 --> 02:24:37,286
that kind of area.

4544
02:24:38,624 --> 02:24:39,658
So that, I think, was a wise

4545
02:24:39,658 --> 02:24:40,359
thought about how you move

4546
02:24:40,359 --> 02:24:41,527
forward to do it.

4547
02:24:41,527 --> 02:24:43,295
And I have to say I'm from

4548
02:24:43,295 --> 02:24:44,663
the -- I grew up in the D.C.

4549
02:24:44,663 --> 02:24:48,863
Area, and as I go back there

4550
02:24:49,402 --> 02:24:51,802
now, they're developing those

4551
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:54,741
all over the place, and they're

4552
02:24:54,741 --> 02:24:58,379
very, very well done in terms of

4553
02:24:58,379 --> 02:25:01,282
congregating density in areas of

4554
02:25:01,282 --> 02:25:02,951
leaving surrounding areas open.

4555
02:25:02,951 --> 02:25:03,652
You know, how they're doing it.

4556
02:25:03,652 --> 02:25:07,852
But at any rate, this is what

4557
02:25:08,356 --> 02:25:10,356
the state required.

4558
02:25:11,293 --> 02:25:12,895
Over years that has been

4559
02:25:12,895 --> 02:25:14,330
repeatedly fine.

4560
02:25:14,330 --> 02:25:15,131
We had one -- one residence per

4561
02:25:15,131 --> 02:25:17,433
every five acres, it's still in

4562
02:25:17,433 --> 02:25:19,433
effect.

4563
02:25:20,537 --> 02:25:24,137
In a lot of those places.

4564
02:25:25,776 --> 02:25:29,346
And what the request has been is

4565
02:25:29,346 --> 02:25:32,216
to really do ten times that

4566
02:25:32,216 --> 02:25:34,685
density, two per acre, over, you

4567
02:25:34,685 --> 02:25:36,587
know, over that, that five acre

4568
02:25:36,587 --> 02:25:37,722
parcel, to put in ten, instead

4569
02:25:37,722 --> 02:25:39,722
of one.

4570
02:25:39,758 --> 02:25:41,760
So, you know, we looked at that,

4571
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:43,280
and how, how we can deal with

4572
02:25:43,280 --> 02:25:43,996
that, again, if it's in the

4573
02:25:43,996 --> 02:25:44,597
urban service area, we're going

4574
02:25:44,597 --> 02:25:48,197
to have to pay for that

4575
02:25:51,371 --> 02:25:52,973
infrastructure.

4576
02:25:52,973 --> 02:25:56,573
And, two, how we, you know,

4577
02:25:56,843 --> 02:25:58,913
how -- what we can do to make

4578
02:25:58,913 --> 02:26:00,481
that -- to be able to use those

4579
02:26:00,481 --> 02:26:03,500
roads to have trip capture in

4580
02:26:03,500 --> 02:26:05,500
those areas.

4581
02:26:05,486 --> 02:26:06,988
To -- to make a place

4582
02:26:06,988 --> 02:26:07,589
sustainable, to be able to

4583
02:26:07,589 --> 02:26:08,290
provide infrastructure.

4584
02:26:08,290 --> 02:26:11,460
We never have the money to do

4585
02:26:11,460 --> 02:26:13,460
that.

4586
02:26:16,832 --> 02:26:17,834
But, we also looked, we had the

4587
02:26:17,834 --> 02:26:18,501
evolution from our villages with

4588
02:26:18,501 --> 02:26:20,303
the lawsuit.

4589
02:26:20,303 --> 02:26:22,305
Then there was repeated,

4590
02:26:22,305 --> 02:26:24,305
repeated, repeated challenges.

4591
02:26:24,441 --> 02:26:25,575
What the villages turned into

4592
02:26:25,575 --> 02:26:26,176
was the jobs requirement.

4593
02:26:26,176 --> 02:26:26,577
That's after some other

4594
02:26:26,577 --> 02:26:28,577
challenges.

4595
02:26:29,980 --> 02:26:32,380
That's what was established

4596
02:26:32,382 --> 02:26:33,784
after long periods of meetings.

4597
02:26:33,784 --> 02:26:35,186
And compromises.

4598
02:26:35,186 --> 02:26:37,210
And more.

4599
02:26:37,210 --> 02:26:40,621
They do things like, you know,

4600
02:26:41,560 --> 02:26:41,960
reduce the number of acres for

4601
02:26:41,960 --> 02:26:43,261
things.

4602
02:26:43,261 --> 02:26:44,396
They, you know, there was all

4603
02:26:44,396 --> 02:26:45,630
kinds of piece by piece by

4604
02:26:45,630 --> 02:26:47,463
piece, there was litigation.

4605
02:26:51,637 --> 02:26:52,605
There was contention.

4606
02:26:52,605 --> 02:26:54,174
There wer, you know, huge

4607
02:26:54,174 --> 02:26:54,574
groups of neighborhoods

4608
02:26:54,574 --> 02:26:56,343
interested.

4609
02:26:56,343 --> 02:26:59,943
And after all that, and after

4610
02:27:02,449 --> 02:27:04,449
repeated, repeated, repeated

4611
02:27:06,454 --> 02:27:08,156
work, we had our moratorium put,

4612
02:27:08,156 --> 02:27:09,257
it was before covid, and we

4613
02:27:09,257 --> 02:27:10,926
really tried to tackle the

4614
02:27:10,926 --> 02:27:12,761
problem in a way that would

4615
02:27:12,761 --> 02:27:14,129
serve all interests well and do

4616
02:27:14,129 --> 02:27:14,797
what developers wanted to have,

4617
02:27:14,797 --> 02:27:17,199
which was an opportunity to

4618
02:27:17,199 --> 02:27:19,199
develop this.

4619
02:27:19,635 --> 02:27:20,236
And put these heavy, heavy

4620
02:27:20,236 --> 02:27:22,236
densities on it.

4621
02:27:22,772 --> 02:27:23,406
We tried to do it in a way that

4622
02:27:23,406 --> 02:27:24,400
would make sense for the

4623
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:26,440
community and benefit the

4624
02:27:27,611 --> 02:27:29,580
community, as well.

4625
02:27:29,580 --> 02:27:33,780
And that's -- and this is what

4626
02:27:33,951 --> 02:27:36,921
this has come up to, with huge

4627
02:27:36,921 --> 02:27:38,924
amounts of community engagement,

4628
02:27:38,924 --> 02:27:40,924
a thoughtful consideration.

4629
02:27:42,494 --> 02:27:42,928
And so, I'll just emphasize a

4630
02:27:42,928 --> 02:27:44,620
few things.

4631
02:27:44,620 --> 02:27:45,464
Commissioner owen, you said, and

4632
02:27:45,464 --> 02:27:48,200
I don't know if anyone else

4633
02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:50,503
said, but it is true, what

4634
02:27:50,503 --> 02:27:52,903
carrollwood wants is not

4635
02:27:53,730 --> 02:27:53,740
necessarily what wimauma wants,

4636
02:27:53,740 --> 02:27:56,740
what balm wants, what other

4637
02:27:58,245 --> 02:28:00,800
places want.

4638
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:02,816
And, balm and wimauma are, yeah,

4639
02:28:02,816 --> 02:28:03,517
ground zero for, as we know, for

4640
02:28:03,517 --> 02:28:04,840
how we're throwing out

4641
02:28:04,840 --> 02:28:06,840
development now.

4642
02:28:08,122 --> 02:28:09,390
And I think it's really

4643
02:28:09,390 --> 02:28:11,660
important for us to be thinking

4644
02:28:11,660 --> 02:28:14,660
about how that's well done.

4645
02:28:14,730 --> 02:28:19,530
And I thought the -- it was a

4646
02:28:20,200 --> 02:28:21,805
very hard worked list, and, you

4647
02:28:21,805 --> 02:28:22,171
know, consideration done with

4648
02:28:22,171 --> 02:28:24,171
that.

4649
02:28:24,507 --> 02:28:25,875
If there is problems with

4650
02:28:25,875 --> 02:28:26,543
access, I don't know about, but

4651
02:28:26,543 --> 02:28:30,143
maybe we could hear that in

4652
02:28:30,814 --> 02:28:31,782
terms of who's at the meetings,

4653
02:28:31,782 --> 02:28:34,182
or how that works.

4654
02:28:34,652 --> 02:28:36,888
But I thought it was really

4655
02:28:36,888 --> 02:28:40,225
great to engage the community to

4656
02:28:40,225 --> 02:28:41,226
have benefits and to have some

4657
02:28:41,226 --> 02:28:44,826
guidelines for how we do that.

4658
02:28:45,364 --> 02:28:46,640
And I think it's really helping

4659
02:28:46,640 --> 02:28:46,365
to develop a better community

4660
02:28:46,365 --> 02:28:48,365
there.

4661
02:28:51,470 --> 02:28:52,338
In terms of, you know,

4662
02:28:52,338 --> 02:28:54,738
commissioner wostal, you said

4663
02:28:55,975 --> 02:28:57,310
something about reappropriating

4664
02:28:57,310 --> 02:28:57,777
mobility fees, it --

4665
02:28:57,777 --> 02:28:58,812
reapportioning.

4666
02:28:58,812 --> 02:29:00,814
I would not want to necessarily

4667
02:29:00,814 --> 02:29:01,281
put that in the community

4668
02:29:01,281 --> 02:29:02,683
benefits.

4669
02:29:02,683 --> 02:29:03,984
Because, I usually understand it

4670
02:29:03,984 --> 02:29:07,655
here, when we ask about it, it

4671
02:29:07,655 --> 02:29:11,590
is something that if the -- that

4672
02:29:11,590 --> 02:29:12,260
we have in the requirements, in

4673
02:29:12,260 --> 02:29:12,594
the conditions for development

4674
02:29:12,594 --> 02:29:14,594
already.

4675
02:29:16,980 --> 02:29:17,399
And the mobility fees are used

4676
02:29:17,399 --> 02:29:19,399
in those areas.

4677
02:29:21,404 --> 02:29:22,438
We have, you know, a map, and

4678
02:29:22,438 --> 02:29:24,373
districts, so that mobility fees

4679
02:29:24,373 --> 02:29:26,800
generated in areas are used in

4680
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:27,644
areas, and the biggest problem

4681
02:29:27,644 --> 02:29:29,513
we have with stop lights, which

4682
02:29:29,513 --> 02:29:30,247
I would love more stop lights

4683
02:29:30,247 --> 02:29:30,981
and crosswalks and, you know,

4684
02:29:30,981 --> 02:29:34,581
this is the biggest problem we

4685
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:36,854
have usually is all the warrant

4686
02:29:36,854 --> 02:29:39,560
requirements, that I understand

4687
02:29:39,560 --> 02:29:39,824
have to go through the state

4688
02:29:39,824 --> 02:29:40,792
and, you know, all these issues

4689
02:29:40,792 --> 02:29:43,362
which we've already dealt with

4690
02:29:43,362 --> 02:29:45,397
here a couple times.

4691
02:29:45,397 --> 02:29:47,799
But those are things that

4692
02:29:47,799 --> 02:29:48,534
shouldn't be a -- I don't think

4693
02:29:48,534 --> 02:29:52,134
that community, you know, one of

4694
02:29:52,572 --> 02:29:54,572
the benefits.

4695
02:29:57,877 --> 02:29:58,712
But just be there as a condition

4696
02:29:58,712 --> 02:30:00,580
and requirement if necessary and

4697
02:30:00,580 --> 02:30:02,382
it's important to the community.

4698
02:30:02,382 --> 02:30:05,382
And that's also something that

4699
02:30:06,200 --> 02:30:08,200
is done.

4700
02:30:08,456 --> 02:30:10,291
so, you know, I -- I-i would

4701
02:30:10,291 --> 02:30:11,826
really be wary of opening this

4702
02:30:11,826 --> 02:30:12,760
up now, especially since the

4703
02:30:12,760 --> 02:30:13,695
suggestion is that we really

4704
02:30:13,695 --> 02:30:16,398
can't do it for the entire

4705
02:30:16,398 --> 02:30:18,398
county anyway.

4706
02:30:20,936 --> 02:30:22,638
And I'd like to understand more

4707
02:30:22,638 --> 02:30:26,238
about any issues there were with

4708
02:30:26,743 --> 02:30:30,343
access to being part of that.

4709
02:30:30,981 --> 02:30:32,810
And I don't think a uniform, you

4710
02:30:32,810 --> 02:30:34,481
know, list of benefits

4711
02:30:34,985 --> 02:30:36,287
throughout the area makes

4712
02:30:36,287 --> 02:30:38,287
particular sense.

4713
02:30:38,355 --> 02:30:40,191
I just think that, you know,

4714
02:30:40,191 --> 02:30:41,125
within communities, that those

4715
02:30:41,125 --> 02:30:42,260
benefits could be what the

4716
02:30:42,260 --> 02:30:44,260
community generates.

4717
02:30:47,399 --> 02:30:48,500
Which in this case, they did.

4718
02:30:48,500 --> 02:30:49,368
And, you know, and be what is

4719
02:30:49,368 --> 02:30:50,335
particular what MAY be

4720
02:30:50,335 --> 02:30:52,710
beneficial to them.

4721
02:30:52,710 --> 02:30:53,439
But I think it's really

4722
02:30:53,439 --> 02:30:54,907
important, especially with the

4723
02:30:54,907 --> 02:30:56,907
development pressures that

4724
02:31:00,513 --> 02:31:04,113
wimauma and balm are under, that

4725
02:31:04,952 --> 02:31:05,886
they have those very, you know,

4726
02:31:05,886 --> 02:31:06,920
engaged, and strongly

4727
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:08,289
distinguished benefits.

4728
02:31:08,289 --> 02:31:11,626
And if there's problems with the

4729
02:31:11,626 --> 02:31:13,528
process for the tak force, I

4730
02:31:13,528 --> 02:31:15,530
think that that is something, or

4731
02:31:15,530 --> 02:31:16,331
the neighborhood meetings, that

4732
02:31:16,331 --> 02:31:17,632
that's something that maybe

4733
02:31:17,632 --> 02:31:20,320
staff could work on.

4734
02:31:21,571 --> 02:31:23,806
I'm not even sure if that's in

4735
02:31:23,806 --> 02:31:24,407
the ldc itself, I'm not sure,

4736
02:31:24,407 --> 02:31:27,407
but maybe that could be

4737
02:31:29,612 --> 02:31:32,120
something that is particularly,

4738
02:31:35,586 --> 02:31:36,653
you know, given attention to.

4739
02:31:36,653 --> 02:31:37,154
>> ken hagan: commissioner

4740
02:31:37,154 --> 02:31:37,855
cameron cepeda?

4741
02:31:37,855 --> 02:31:38,589
>> donna cameron cepeda: yes,

4742
02:31:38,589 --> 02:31:40,570
thank you, commissioner wostal.

4743
02:31:40,570 --> 02:31:42,693
Yes, I understand what you're

4744
02:31:42,693 --> 02:31:44,620
trying to say.

4745
02:31:44,620 --> 02:31:45,497
My concern is well benefits by

4746
02:31:45,497 --> 02:31:46,665
itself, the name, the title

4747
02:31:46,665 --> 02:31:48,633
sounds wonderful.

4748
02:31:48,633 --> 02:31:52,972
But the fact is, it does put a

4749
02:31:52,972 --> 02:31:54,840
lot of restrictions on the

4750
02:31:54,840 --> 02:31:55,675
people here in hillsborough

4751
02:31:55,675 --> 02:31:57,242
county and my concern is, you

4752
02:31:57,242 --> 02:31:59,242
know, putting these

4753
02:31:59,712 --> 02:32:01,681
restrictions, keeping these

4754
02:32:01,681 --> 02:32:03,517
restrictions, or even worse

4755
02:32:03,517 --> 02:32:05,850
restrictions, which already I

4756
02:32:05,850 --> 02:32:06,821
don't agree with, with the

4757
02:32:06,821 --> 02:32:07,488
restrictions as they are.

4758
02:32:07,488 --> 02:32:09,290
The benefits plan.

4759
02:32:09,290 --> 02:32:09,957
Again the title sounds

4760
02:32:09,957 --> 02:32:11,957
wonderful.

4761
02:32:12,590 --> 02:32:15,590
But, really, it's -- there's

4762
02:32:16,197 --> 02:32:17,999
just too many restrictions.

4763
02:32:17,999 --> 02:32:20,340
And I just don't think we should

4764
02:32:20,340 --> 02:32:20,702
have that -- forced to have

4765
02:32:20,702 --> 02:32:23,702
those benefits plans on the

4766
02:32:23,939 --> 02:32:25,939
people at all.

4767
02:32:26,609 --> 02:32:27,276
So, I would like to just get rid

4768
02:32:27,276 --> 02:32:30,546
of, you know, all of those

4769
02:32:30,546 --> 02:32:31,782
completely.

4770
02:32:31,782 --> 02:32:32,115
>> ken hagan: commissioner

4771
02:32:32,115 --> 02:32:32,882
wostal?

4772
02:32:32,882 --> 02:32:34,518
>> joshua wostal: yeah, that

4773
02:32:34,518 --> 02:32:34,851
could certainly be one of the

4774
02:32:34,851 --> 02:32:35,585
options.

4775
02:32:35,585 --> 02:32:38,321
It's important all we're doing

4776
02:32:38,321 --> 02:32:40,157
is talking about options.

4777
02:32:40,157 --> 02:32:41,325
I'm 100% with you.

4778
02:32:41,325 --> 02:32:42,526
But, whether or not that would

4779
02:32:42,526 --> 02:32:45,897
pass or not, I don't know.

4780
02:32:45,897 --> 02:32:47,298
And again, a lot of what was

4781
02:32:47,298 --> 02:32:48,566
just said previously has

4782
02:32:48,566 --> 02:32:49,735
absolutely nothing to do with my

4783
02:32:49,735 --> 02:32:50,350
motion or what we're talking

4784
02:32:50,350 --> 02:32:52,350
about.

4785
02:32:52,872 --> 02:32:53,405
We're not talking about

4786
02:32:53,405 --> 02:32:55,174
increasing density.

4787
02:32:55,174 --> 02:32:55,708
It was pretty much irrelevant

4788
02:32:55,708 --> 02:32:57,708
information.

4789
02:32:58,744 --> 02:32:59,645
We're simply talking about a

4790
02:32:59,645 --> 02:33:00,313
clean-up, if they are going

4791
02:33:00,313 --> 02:33:04,513
to -- if they are going to

4792
02:33:05,452 --> 02:33:06,420
continue, or not, I'll go with

4793
02:33:06,420 --> 02:33:07,554
you on that.

4794
02:33:07,554 --> 02:33:08,655
If they do continue or not,

4795
02:33:08,655 --> 02:33:09,890
we're going to clean them up,

4796
02:33:09,890 --> 02:33:13,227
and we're going to have control

4797
02:33:13,227 --> 02:33:14,896
over them.

4798
02:33:14,896 --> 02:33:15,229
It's not going to be heavy

4799
02:33:15,229 --> 02:33:16,331
handed.

4800
02:33:16,331 --> 02:33:17,465
i have it on good authority that

4801
02:33:17,465 --> 02:33:19,134
the state would likely consider

4802
02:33:19,134 --> 02:33:20,936
what happened, if they ever got

4803
02:33:20,936 --> 02:33:21,937
involved, a violation of folks'

4804
02:33:21,937 --> 02:33:22,938
private property rights and

4805
02:33:22,938 --> 02:33:23,638
they'd be happy to step in and

4806
02:33:23,638 --> 02:33:23,939
I'm looking to help us avoid

4807
02:33:23,939 --> 02:33:25,939
that.

4808
02:33:26,775 --> 02:33:27,760
So, that's all we're talking

4809
02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:29,760
about.

4810
02:33:29,579 --> 02:33:30,313
Is a clean-up of some options.

4811
02:33:30,313 --> 02:33:32,815
We can make it uniform, but not

4812
02:33:32,815 --> 02:33:34,815
required.

4813
02:33:35,852 --> 02:33:37,454
It could be a good thing, and as

4814
02:33:37,454 --> 02:33:39,356
far as the mobility fee map

4815
02:33:39,356 --> 02:33:41,225
that's absolutely inaccurate.

4816
02:33:41,225 --> 02:33:41,592
The mobility fee maps are

4817
02:33:41,592 --> 02:33:43,160
gigantic.

4818
02:33:43,160 --> 02:33:45,630
And if it allowed for money

4819
02:33:45,630 --> 02:33:47,298
that's in that mobility fee area

4820
02:33:47,298 --> 02:33:48,733
to be spent in that mobility fee

4821
02:33:48,733 --> 02:33:49,801
map but far away from the

4822
02:33:49,801 --> 02:33:51,470
affected intersection of where

4823
02:33:51,470 --> 02:33:53,505
the new development is going in.

4824
02:33:53,505 --> 02:33:55,574
So, I want to look at just some

4825
02:33:55,574 --> 02:33:57,176
creative ideas that would be

4826
02:33:57,176 --> 02:33:57,877
really more empowering to the

4827
02:33:57,877 --> 02:33:59,846
voters of hillsborough county.

4828
02:33:59,846 --> 02:34:01,846
So.

4829
02:34:04,184 --> 02:34:06,584
>> ken hagan: all right.

4830
02:34:06,619 --> 02:34:07,354
Thank you, commissioner cohen?

4831
02:34:07,354 --> 02:34:10,457
>> harry cohen: now I'm -- I'm a

4832
02:34:10,457 --> 02:34:12,392
little bit confused.

4833
02:34:12,392 --> 02:34:15,296
But, let me just go to what I

4834
02:34:15,296 --> 02:34:18,296
believe was the original motion,

4835
02:34:20,969 --> 02:34:22,137
and that was to open up the

4836
02:34:22,137 --> 02:34:22,671
discussion of tying community

4837
02:34:22,671 --> 02:34:23,806
benefits countywide.

4838
02:34:23,806 --> 02:34:24,773
I don't support that.

4839
02:34:24,773 --> 02:34:28,373
I don't really think that that's

4840
02:34:30,713 --> 02:34:33,113
what the county needs.

4841
02:34:34,170 --> 02:34:34,851
If there are questions about how

4842
02:34:34,851 --> 02:34:35,819
the community benefits

4843
02:34:35,819 --> 02:34:37,687
provisions affect the two -- one

4844
02:34:37,687 --> 02:34:39,589
or two, depending on how the

4845
02:34:39,589 --> 02:34:40,824
litigation goes, the one or two

4846
02:34:40,824 --> 02:34:43,224
discreet areas where they've

4847
02:34:43,360 --> 02:34:44,328
been applied, I think that we

4848
02:34:44,328 --> 02:34:44,695
could look at those much more

4849
02:34:44,695 --> 02:34:46,695
narrowly.

4850
02:34:50,636 --> 02:34:52,771
but for the moment, given what I

4851
02:34:52,771 --> 02:34:56,308
hear about the state law, at

4852
02:34:56,308 --> 02:34:57,743
least through OCTOBER of 2024,

4853
02:34:57,743 --> 02:34:59,100
and just taking what

4854
02:34:59,100 --> 02:35:01,100
commissioner cameron cepeda

4855
02:35:01,180 --> 02:35:04,217
said, I don't think it is in our

4856
02:35:04,217 --> 02:35:04,951
best interest to do anything

4857
02:35:04,951 --> 02:35:07,387
while that moratorium is going

4858
02:35:07,387 --> 02:35:09,550
on.

4859
02:35:09,550 --> 02:35:10,524
Because anything that we would

4860
02:35:10,524 --> 02:35:12,893
pass would be interpreted as

4861
02:35:12,893 --> 02:35:14,829
being more restrictive.

4862
02:35:14,829 --> 02:35:16,530
Wouldn't it, MR. Gormly?

4863
02:35:16,530 --> 02:35:19,567
>> we would -- if there was the

4864
02:35:19,567 --> 02:35:20,702
direction, we would bring back

4865
02:35:20,702 --> 02:35:22,137
options that would, you know, be

4866
02:35:22,137 --> 02:35:23,538
something that would be less

4867
02:35:23,538 --> 02:35:25,741
restrictive, or less burdensome.

4868
02:35:25,741 --> 02:35:26,608
It could be clarifications.

4869
02:35:26,608 --> 02:35:29,608
But, you know, certainly we

4870
02:35:31,213 --> 02:35:33,483
would be challenged to have new

4871
02:35:33,483 --> 02:35:33,850
substantive requirements,

4872
02:35:33,850 --> 02:35:34,584
generally.

4873
02:35:34,584 --> 02:35:36,152
>> harry cohen: well, you know,

4874
02:35:36,152 --> 02:35:36,886
I would be happy to have this

4875
02:35:36,886 --> 02:35:40,486
discussion in maybe some type of

4876
02:35:40,824 --> 02:35:41,959
a workshop setting.

4877
02:35:41,959 --> 02:35:42,760
But I would just remind

4878
02:35:42,760 --> 02:35:45,290
everybody that it's going to

4879
02:35:45,290 --> 02:35:45,763
take five votes, I believe, in

4880
02:35:45,763 --> 02:35:48,763
order to actually change what's

4881
02:35:50,301 --> 02:35:52,301
already been done.

4882
02:35:53,605 --> 02:35:54,639
So before we start considering

4883
02:35:54,639 --> 02:35:56,108
language, and determining that

4884
02:35:56,108 --> 02:35:57,276
we're going to do something

4885
02:35:57,276 --> 02:35:59,712
countywide, I would just want us

4886
02:35:59,712 --> 02:36:00,813
to have a discussion among us

4887
02:36:00,813 --> 02:36:01,546
about the benefits that are

4888
02:36:01,546 --> 02:36:03,850
there now, and whether they're

4889
02:36:03,850 --> 02:36:05,850
working or not.

4890
02:36:06,553 --> 02:36:07,287
Quite frankly, we spent a

4891
02:36:07,287 --> 02:36:07,987
tremendous amount of time.

4892
02:36:07,987 --> 02:36:10,791
Commissioner myers and I were

4893
02:36:10,791 --> 02:36:14,391
elected in the middle of this.

4894
02:36:14,495 --> 02:36:16,764
And, we ended up having to sort

4895
02:36:16,764 --> 02:36:19,801
of learn about this on the fly,

4896
02:36:19,801 --> 02:36:22,303
because covid had so delayed the

4897
02:36:22,303 --> 02:36:23,838
board's ability to consider this

4898
02:36:23,838 --> 02:36:24,172
while the moratorium clock was

4899
02:36:24,172 --> 02:36:25,474
ticking.

4900
02:36:25,474 --> 02:36:27,676
and it's only been in place now

4901
02:36:27,676 --> 02:36:31,876
for a very short period of time.

4902
02:36:32,314 --> 02:36:33,282
I believe we've only had one

4903
02:36:33,282 --> 02:36:34,183
application that's actually been

4904
02:36:34,183 --> 02:36:36,183
subject to it.

4905
02:36:36,385 --> 02:36:37,987
And, I just think if there are

4906
02:36:37,987 --> 02:36:40,557
problems, or if there are

4907
02:36:40,557 --> 02:36:42,159
concerns about it, it's totally

4908
02:36:42,159 --> 02:36:43,694
appropriate for us to have some

4909
02:36:43,694 --> 02:36:45,963
type of discreet workshop about

4910
02:36:45,963 --> 02:36:47,632
that, and talk about it, but I'm

4911
02:36:47,632 --> 02:36:50,201
really not -- I don't really

4912
02:36:50,201 --> 02:36:53,801
have an appetite for opening up

4913
02:36:54,380 --> 02:36:55,907
this entire discussion,

4914
02:36:55,907 --> 02:36:58,777
countywide, or any larger than

4915
02:36:58,777 --> 02:36:59,244
just a sort of a status of where

4916
02:36:59,244 --> 02:37:01,644
we are with it.

4917
02:37:04,250 --> 02:37:05,251
So that's where I am.

4918
02:37:05,251 --> 02:37:05,619
>> ken hagan: all right, a

4919
02:37:05,619 --> 02:37:07,120
question.

4920
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:08,488
It's my understanding the motion

4921
02:37:08,488 --> 02:37:10,256
there would be options brought

4922
02:37:10,256 --> 02:37:12,259
back for us to consider, then it

4923
02:37:12,259 --> 02:37:13,327
would go through the normal cpa

4924
02:37:13,327 --> 02:37:16,927
process as far as a workshop,

4925
02:37:17,798 --> 02:37:19,333
public hearings, all that?

4926
02:37:19,333 --> 02:37:19,633
>> what I suggest is we bring it

4927
02:37:19,633 --> 02:37:20,902
back.

4928
02:37:20,902 --> 02:37:22,737
We could bring it back in a

4929
02:37:22,737 --> 02:37:25,306
workshop format, or I think a

4930
02:37:25,306 --> 02:37:28,306
workshop format would be the

4931
02:37:28,377 --> 02:37:29,745
appropriate way to -- to

4932
02:37:29,745 --> 02:37:30,813
evaluate the options, and get

4933
02:37:30,813 --> 02:37:31,113
any kind of direction from the

4934
02:37:31,113 --> 02:37:33,113
board.

4935
02:37:33,649 --> 02:37:35,785
It could be a stand-alone, or it

4936
02:37:35,785 --> 02:37:36,453
could be associated with --

4937
02:37:36,453 --> 02:37:37,921
>> ken hagan: and then

4938
02:37:37,921 --> 02:37:39,322
commissioner cohen is correct

4939
02:37:39,322 --> 02:37:40,657
ultimately it would require a

4940
02:37:40,657 --> 02:37:41,458
super majority, is that right?

4941
02:37:41,458 --> 02:37:43,458
>> yes.

4942
02:37:43,593 --> 02:37:44,294
>> ken hagan: and then what

4943
02:37:44,294 --> 02:37:45,863
realistically, going through

4944
02:37:45,863 --> 02:37:46,563
that entire process, what's the

4945
02:37:46,563 --> 02:37:49,563
earliest you think this would

4946
02:37:53,370 --> 02:37:56,637
come back in front of us?

4947
02:38:00,450 --> 02:38:01,480
>> I would say, what is it now,

4948
02:38:01,480 --> 02:38:02,214
NOVEMBER, perhaps, it could come

4949
02:38:02,214 --> 02:38:04,717
back with something that would

4950
02:38:04,717 --> 02:38:05,251
be kind of a holistic --

4951
02:38:05,251 --> 02:38:07,251
>> ken hagan: okay.

4952
02:38:07,453 --> 02:38:08,488
>> -- review of the issues that

4953
02:38:08,488 --> 02:38:09,880
the board has --

4954
02:38:09,880 --> 02:38:10,423
>> joshua wostal: and,

4955
02:38:10,423 --> 02:38:11,591
MR. Chair, if I could provide

4956
02:38:11,591 --> 02:38:12,425
some clarification?

4957
02:38:12,425 --> 02:38:13,527
>> ken hagan: sure.

4958
02:38:13,527 --> 02:38:14,227
>> joshua wostal: the motion is

4959
02:38:14,227 --> 02:38:17,227
not suggesting that we enact

4960
02:38:17,231 --> 02:38:19,231
this countywide.

4961
02:38:19,500 --> 02:38:22,500
The motion is simply saying

4962
02:38:22,804 --> 02:38:24,138
options that we're going to well

4963
02:38:24,138 --> 02:38:25,406
define the community benefits,

4964
02:38:25,406 --> 02:38:26,141
and then anyone who currently

4965
02:38:26,141 --> 02:38:28,310
has them, this is what they're

4966
02:38:28,310 --> 02:38:29,440
defined as now.

4967
02:38:29,440 --> 02:38:31,914
We're not saying that we would

4968
02:38:31,914 --> 02:38:35,840
impose it on the entire county.

4969
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:36,190
And that if a community plan did

4970
02:38:36,190 --> 02:38:36,686
enact community benefits, this

4971
02:38:36,686 --> 02:38:37,420
is how hillsborough county

4972
02:38:37,420 --> 02:38:39,722
defines them, there's no longer

4973
02:38:39,722 --> 02:38:41,291
any questions.

4974
02:38:41,291 --> 02:38:43,460
So, we're not -- the motion in

4975
02:38:43,460 --> 02:38:44,895
no way suggested that we impose

4976
02:38:44,895 --> 02:38:45,295
this countywide and be more

4977
02:38:45,295 --> 02:38:46,530
restrictive.

4978
02:38:46,530 --> 02:38:49,530
And th clean-up would actually

4979
02:38:49,834 --> 02:38:50,702
be less of a burden to address

4980
02:38:50,702 --> 02:38:51,836
commissioner cohen's concerns,

4981
02:38:51,836 --> 02:38:53,471
in what I'm projecting would be

4982
02:38:53,471 --> 02:38:53,738
some of the options.

4983
02:38:53,738 --> 02:38:54,439
So.

4984
02:38:54,439 --> 02:38:55,640
>> ken hagan: okay, thank you.

4985
02:38:55,640 --> 02:38:56,274
Commissioner myers?

4986
02:38:56,274 --> 02:38:57,575
>> gwen myers: oh, what a

4987
02:38:57,575 --> 02:38:59,575
conversation.

4988
02:39:01,246 --> 02:39:03,246
Okay.

4989
02:39:04,383 --> 02:39:06,419
You clarified one of the points,

4990
02:39:06,419 --> 02:39:06,752
because you said this just is an

4991
02:39:06,752 --> 02:39:08,752
option.

4992
02:39:10,190 --> 02:39:11,891
Could the option come back to

4993
02:39:11,891 --> 02:39:12,358
us, in 2024, when everything is

4994
02:39:12,358 --> 02:39:13,860
done?

4995
02:39:13,860 --> 02:39:16,597
I mean, to give staff, I think

4996
02:39:16,597 --> 02:39:20,197
we are rushing to judgment to

4997
02:39:21,168 --> 02:39:22,203
bring this back in NOVEMBER.

4998
02:39:22,203 --> 02:39:23,370
Okay?

4999
02:39:23,370 --> 02:39:25,873
Is this something that --

5000
02:39:25,873 --> 02:39:27,776
>> joshua wostal: well the

5001
02:39:27,776 --> 02:39:28,410
timing mechanic mission --

5002
02:39:28,410 --> 02:39:29,311
>> gwen myers: I do have

5003
02:39:29,311 --> 02:39:29,878
concerns to make this

5004
02:39:29,878 --> 02:39:30,845
countywide.

5005
02:39:30,845 --> 02:39:31,213
Because every community is

5006
02:39:31,213 --> 02:39:32,781
different.

5007
02:39:32,781 --> 02:39:33,982
Going to be up front.

5008
02:39:33,982 --> 02:39:35,451
Every community is different.

5009
02:39:35,451 --> 02:39:37,119
When you look at wimauma, you

5010
02:39:37,119 --> 02:39:41,319
look at palm river, you look at

5011
02:39:41,591 --> 02:39:42,892
dover, they're not the same.

5012
02:39:42,892 --> 02:39:45,829
When you look at benefits,

5013
02:39:45,829 --> 02:39:47,831
they're not the same.

5014
02:39:47,831 --> 02:39:49,433
And it's not kidding us to say

5015
02:39:49,433 --> 02:39:50,668
oh, we can come up with

5016
02:39:50,668 --> 02:39:51,602
something that will be the same.

5017
02:39:51,602 --> 02:39:53,104
I don't think so.

5018
02:39:53,104 --> 02:39:55,306
Based on the communities.

5019
02:39:55,306 --> 02:39:56,400
Based on what we have done now.

5020
02:39:56,400 --> 02:39:58,977
What have all these communities

5021
02:39:58,977 --> 02:40:00,545
to get to community benefits.

5022
02:40:00,545 --> 02:40:02,280
So that -- I'll stop there.

5023
02:40:02,280 --> 02:40:03,140
But that's how I see this.

5024
02:40:03,140 --> 02:40:03,682
>> ken hagan: commissioner owen?

5025
02:40:03,682 --> 02:40:04,116
>> michael owen: thank you,

5026
02:40:04,116 --> 02:40:05,384
MR. CHAIRMAN.

5027
02:40:05,384 --> 02:40:06,685
I think to clarify that, and I

5028
02:40:06,685 --> 02:40:09,689
don't want to put words in your

5029
02:40:09,689 --> 02:40:11,224
mouth, wooer not saying that

5030
02:40:11,224 --> 02:40:11,924
there's not community plans that

5031
02:40:11,924 --> 02:40:13,359
are in place.

5032
02:40:13,359 --> 02:40:14,260
Those community plans that are

5033
02:40:14,260 --> 02:40:17,860
unique, and again I'm not trying

5034
02:40:18,232 --> 02:40:18,932
to put words in your mouth, but,

5035
02:40:18,932 --> 02:40:20,167
I dn't think commissioner

5036
02:40:20,167 --> 02:40:20,868
wostal is saying we're going to

5037
02:40:20,868 --> 02:40:23,868
make a uniform community plan

5038
02:40:24,372 --> 02:40:26,372
throughout the county.

5039
02:40:27,508 --> 02:40:28,476
The community plans still exist.

5040
02:40:28,476 --> 02:40:30,450
We're just addressing community

5041
02:40:30,450 --> 02:40:30,345
benefits, if they should be in

5042
02:40:30,345 --> 02:40:31,413
there.

5043
02:40:31,413 --> 02:40:32,547
Or exst at all.

5044
02:40:32,547 --> 02:40:34,816
So I think that's the discussion

5045
02:40:34,816 --> 02:40:35,751
that we would have.

5046
02:40:35,751 --> 02:40:37,219
But, commissioner wostal, if you

5047
02:40:37,219 --> 02:40:38,821
wanted to clarify that.

5048
02:40:38,821 --> 02:40:39,755
>> joshua wostal: yeah, this is

5049
02:40:39,755 --> 02:40:41,457
not talking about the community

5050
02:40:41,457 --> 02:40:42,580
plans and their restrictions on

5051
02:40:42,580 --> 02:40:43,459
densities, et cetera.

5052
02:40:43,459 --> 02:40:44,940
This is specifically about these

5053
02:40:44,940 --> 02:40:46,494
seven bullet points that

5054
02:40:49,990 --> 02:40:50,670
currently exist.

5055
02:40:50,670 --> 02:40:50,501
>> ken hagan: I'm going to call

5056
02:40:50,501 --> 02:40:51,635
the question.

5057
02:40:51,635 --> 02:40:53,700
I'm going to support the motion.

5058
02:40:53,700 --> 02:40:54,338
I don't see any harm in getting

5059
02:40:54,338 --> 02:40:55,600
additional information, having a

5060
02:40:55,600 --> 02:40:55,673
workshop, seeing how we can

5061
02:40:55,673 --> 02:40:57,809
clean it up and improve the

5062
02:40:57,809 --> 02:40:59,244
process.

5063
02:40:59,244 --> 02:41:00,445
We might not make any changes.

5064
02:41:00,445 --> 02:41:00,745
We'll see what transpires.

5065
02:41:00,745 --> 02:41:01,813
Okay.

5066
02:41:01,813 --> 02:41:02,547
So we have a motion by

5067
02:41:02,547 --> 02:41:03,820
commissioner wostal, second by

5068
02:41:03,820 --> 02:41:05,820
commissioner owen.

5069
02:41:12,992 --> 02:41:14,727
Please record your vote.

5070
02:41:14,727 --> 02:41:15,995
>> motion carried 5-2.

5071
02:41:15,995 --> 02:41:16,529
Commissioners kemp and myers

5072
02:41:16,529 --> 02:41:17,197
voted no.

5073
02:41:17,197 --> 02:41:19,320
>> ken hagan: commissioner

5074
02:41:19,320 --> 02:41:19,866
wostal did you want to make

5075
02:41:19,866 --> 02:41:20,601
another motion?

5076
02:41:20,601 --> 02:41:24,201
>> joshua wostal: I do have just

5077
02:41:29,944 --> 02:41:31,112
a quick motion, and on some

5078
02:41:31,112 --> 02:41:32,347
information if she needs but in

5079
02:41:32,347 --> 02:41:34,149
light of the prevailing motion

5080
02:41:34,149 --> 02:41:36,585
that's just occurred and our

5081
02:41:36,585 --> 02:41:38,587
potential to overhaul the

5082
02:41:38,587 --> 02:41:40,423
existing community benefits as

5083
02:41:40,423 --> 02:41:42,325
we see them, I would like to

5084
02:41:42,325 --> 02:41:45,925
make a motion to place a

5085
02:41:47,964 --> 02:41:50,167
temporary stay in any ongoing

5086
02:41:50,167 --> 02:41:51,134
litigation that revolves around

5087
02:41:51,134 --> 02:41:51,669
the community benefits in

5088
02:41:51,669 --> 02:41:53,669
hillsborough county.

5089
02:41:54,505 --> 02:41:55,706
>> ken hagan: motion by

5090
02:41:55,706 --> 02:41:56,373
commissioner wostal, second by

5091
02:41:56,373 --> 02:41:57,410
commissioner cameron cepeda.

5092
02:41:57,410 --> 02:41:58,609
Does staff want to opine on

5093
02:41:58,609 --> 02:42:00,609
that?

5094
02:42:02,130 --> 02:42:03,470
>> yes, sir.

5095
02:42:03,470 --> 02:42:04,649
Good morning, commissioners,

5096
02:42:04,649 --> 02:42:05,217
cameron clark, assistant county

5097
02:42:05,217 --> 02:42:07,217
attorney.

5098
02:42:08,860 --> 02:42:11,290
There is oral argument next week

5099
02:42:11,290 --> 02:42:11,957
on a case which is the rp-2

5100
02:42:11,957 --> 02:42:13,920
litigation, I believe that

5101
02:42:13,920 --> 02:42:14,727
you're discussing.

5102
02:42:14,727 --> 02:42:16,496
I actually just got a really

5103
02:42:16,496 --> 02:42:18,332
quick status update in case

5104
02:42:18,332 --> 02:42:18,632
there were any questions on

5105
02:42:18,632 --> 02:42:20,632
this.

5106
02:42:22,503 --> 02:42:24,472
But the counties at this stage

5107
02:42:24,472 --> 02:42:25,673
have prevailed before a law

5108
02:42:25,673 --> 02:42:26,273
judge and the state department

5109
02:42:26,273 --> 02:42:28,273
of economic opportunity.

5110
02:42:29,357 --> 02:42:29,944
It's before the second dca right

5111
02:42:29,944 --> 02:42:31,944
now.

5112
02:42:32,781 --> 02:42:34,716
Is a stay on litigation that

5113
02:42:34,716 --> 02:42:35,417
you -- it's your desire to

5114
02:42:35,417 --> 02:42:38,417
continue this process at this

5115
02:42:38,554 --> 02:42:40,554
time?

5116
02:42:40,823 --> 02:42:43,726
In order to see what happens

5117
02:42:43,726 --> 02:42:44,360
with this exploration of the

5118
02:42:44,360 --> 02:42:44,660
community benefits?

5119
02:42:44,660 --> 02:42:46,162
Okay.

5120
02:42:46,162 --> 02:42:48,562
Just so you're aware.

5121
02:42:48,565 --> 02:42:50,133
The challenge for this rp-2

5122
02:42:50,133 --> 02:42:50,734
provision is not limited to just

5123
02:42:50,734 --> 02:42:52,734
the community benefits.

5124
02:42:52,869 --> 02:42:54,138
It's actually challenging the

5125
02:42:54,138 --> 02:42:55,500
entire comp amendment.

5126
02:42:55,500 --> 02:42:55,806
Obviously those benefits are a

5127
02:42:55,806 --> 02:42:57,806
part of it.

5128
02:42:58,643 --> 02:43:00,845
But there are other issues that

5129
02:43:00,845 --> 02:43:02,280
remain unresolved, as well.

5130
02:43:02,280 --> 02:43:04,950
And also bear in mind that if

5131
02:43:04,950 --> 02:43:07,386
the board was to take action to

5132
02:43:07,386 --> 02:43:09,200
make changes to the community

5133
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:11,223
benefits within rp-2, some of

5134
02:43:11,223 --> 02:43:12,910
the issues are going to be

5135
02:43:12,910 --> 02:43:14,491
mooted, and other issues

5136
02:43:14,760 --> 02:43:15,761
ultimately the board is changing

5137
02:43:15,761 --> 02:43:17,230
course, not saying the board

5138
02:43:17,230 --> 02:43:18,197
can't ask for this direction,

5139
02:43:18,197 --> 02:43:20,200
but it MAY not be necessary

5140
02:43:20,200 --> 02:43:21,670
because in the end the board can

5141
02:43:21,670 --> 02:43:24,670
always change course with what

5142
02:43:24,271 --> 02:43:24,538
is passed with a comp plan and

5143
02:43:24,538 --> 02:43:25,205
ldc.

5144
02:43:25,205 --> 02:43:25,505
>> ken hagan: commissioner

5145
02:43:25,505 --> 02:43:26,206
cohen?

5146
02:43:26,206 --> 02:43:27,708
>> harry cohen: I'm not sure

5147
02:43:27,708 --> 02:43:28,742
that I understand what's being

5148
02:43:28,742 --> 02:43:29,877
asked for here.

5149
02:43:29,877 --> 02:43:30,778
when you say you want to stay

5150
02:43:30,778 --> 02:43:32,778
the litigation.

5151
02:43:33,548 --> 02:43:35,850
Are you suggesting you want the

5152
02:43:35,850 --> 02:43:36,518
county not to continue to defend

5153
02:43:36,518 --> 02:43:37,850
its position?

5154
02:43:37,850 --> 02:43:38,153
>> joshua wostal: no.

5155
02:43:38,153 --> 02:43:38,887
I think he used the word

5156
02:43:38,887 --> 02:43:41,887
continue, which is more lawyer

5157
02:43:42,124 --> 02:43:42,725
jargon.

5158
02:43:42,725 --> 02:43:45,125
>> harry cohen: I don't

5159
02:43:45,361 --> 02:43:47,361
understand.

5160
02:43:49,332 --> 02:43:52,332
MR. Clark, there's a case

5161
02:43:52,335 --> 02:43:52,969
pending right now.

5162
02:43:52,969 --> 02:43:54,969
>> there is.

5163
02:43:55,506 --> 02:43:58,643
>> harry cohen: so, what is the

5164
02:43:58,643 --> 02:43:59,176
effect on that case if this

5165
02:43:59,176 --> 02:44:01,576
motion were to pass?

5166
02:44:02,800 --> 02:44:03,800
>> well, I would take this as

5167
02:44:03,800 --> 02:44:04,415
the board asking for -- asking

5168
02:44:04,415 --> 02:44:05,116
us to try to continue the oral

5169
02:44:05,116 --> 02:44:07,516
argument that's scheduled for

5170
02:44:07,852 --> 02:44:09,153
next week.

5171
02:44:09,153 --> 02:44:10,622
The other side has continued

5172
02:44:10,622 --> 02:44:10,923
this numerous times up to this

5173
02:44:10,923 --> 02:44:11,590
point.

5174
02:44:11,590 --> 02:44:13,990
It's actually been delayed

5175
02:44:15,261 --> 02:44:18,231
getting to where it is now.

5176
02:44:18,231 --> 02:44:19,666
But, I guess my point is, just

5177
02:44:19,666 --> 02:44:20,666
the action can still proceed

5178
02:44:20,666 --> 02:44:22,168
as-is, it's not going to change

5179
02:44:22,168 --> 02:44:25,168
the board's ability to make

5180
02:44:25,873 --> 02:44:26,540
changes to what is proposed to

5181
02:44:26,540 --> 02:44:28,275
potentially change.

5182
02:44:28,275 --> 02:44:29,430
So you could ask for this to

5183
02:44:29,430 --> 02:44:30,711
potentially be continued.

5184
02:44:30,711 --> 02:44:31,946
But in the end, the outcome is

5185
02:44:31,946 --> 02:44:33,614
going to be whatever changes the

5186
02:44:33,614 --> 02:44:37,385
board makes are going to be what

5187
02:44:37,385 --> 02:44:38,119
changes take place in the rp-2.

5188
02:44:38,119 --> 02:44:39,588
>> joshua wostal: at the expense

5189
02:44:39,588 --> 02:44:41,757
of the attorney fees, it we do

5190
02:44:41,757 --> 02:44:44,930
take changes, then it becomes

5191
02:44:44,930 --> 02:44:45,940
moot, then the citizen is just

5192
02:44:45,940 --> 02:44:46,595
at a loss?

5193
02:44:46,595 --> 02:44:47,329
>> the applicant in this case,

5194
02:44:47,329 --> 02:44:50,929
yes, they would still be paying

5195
02:44:50,934 --> 02:44:53,334
for their attorneys, yes.

5196
02:44:53,336 --> 02:44:55,238
>> harry cohen: well, I'm not in

5197
02:44:55,238 --> 02:44:58,342
favor of doing anything that --

5198
02:44:58,342 --> 02:44:59,710
I mean, we're having a very,

5199
02:44:59,710 --> 02:45:01,120
very prospective discussion here

5200
02:45:01,120 --> 02:45:02,681
about making some changes and

5201
02:45:02,681 --> 02:45:04,348
tweaks in the future.

5202
02:45:04,348 --> 02:45:05,416
I don't think that it's

5203
02:45:05,416 --> 02:45:07,816
appropriate to insert ourselves

5204
02:45:08,453 --> 02:45:09,187
into this case that's going on.

5205
02:45:09,187 --> 02:45:09,855
>> ken hagan: commissioner owen?

5206
02:45:09,855 --> 02:45:12,255
>> michael owen: thank you,

5207
02:45:15,327 --> 02:45:17,327
MR. CHAIRMAN.

5208
02:45:17,363 --> 02:45:18,964
So we have sunshine, so we don't

5209
02:45:18,964 --> 02:45:19,999
have the benefit of we haven't

5210
02:45:19,999 --> 02:45:21,234
discussed it out here and don't

5211
02:45:21,234 --> 02:45:22,435
have the benefit of knowing

5212
02:45:22,435 --> 02:45:23,937
what's coming.

5213
02:45:23,937 --> 02:45:24,304
Do we have the authority to do

5214
02:45:24,304 --> 02:45:26,720
that?

5215
02:45:26,720 --> 02:45:29,276
I'm just thinking from a rules

5216
02:45:29,276 --> 02:45:30,444
of procedure standpoint, that

5217
02:45:30,444 --> 02:45:32,880
if -- because now I'm seeing

5218
02:45:32,880 --> 02:45:34,880
what's going on.

5219
02:45:35,383 --> 02:45:38,486
If we agree that we will somehow

5220
02:45:38,486 --> 02:45:39,187
reduce the restrictions of

5221
02:45:39,187 --> 02:45:40,856
community benefits that would

5222
02:45:40,856 --> 02:45:41,957
affect the rp-2, which we

5223
02:45:41,957 --> 02:45:43,959
haven't talked about rp-2 here

5224
02:45:43,959 --> 02:45:46,328
much toay, so that wuld affect

5225
02:45:46,328 --> 02:45:47,162
an ongoing litigation case,

5226
02:45:47,162 --> 02:45:47,863
which is -- which the motion

5227
02:45:47,863 --> 02:45:50,533
that's -- what is the motion

5228
02:45:50,533 --> 02:45:52,401
that's up?

5229
02:45:52,401 --> 02:45:54,104
>> it's oral arguments, they're

5230
02:45:54,104 --> 02:45:54,671
appealing the lower ruling.

5231
02:45:54,671 --> 02:45:56,406
>> michael owen: okay.

5232
02:45:56,406 --> 02:45:57,340
>> it was in the county's favor.

5233
02:45:57,340 --> 02:45:57,675
>> michael owen: all right,

5234
02:45:57,675 --> 02:45:58,775
gotcha.

5235
02:45:58,775 --> 02:46:01,175
So it's oral arguments.

5236
02:46:01,278 --> 02:46:02,780
I guess I don't know if we were

5237
02:46:02,780 --> 02:46:04,582
to vote as a board, because I

5238
02:46:04,582 --> 02:46:05,116
think it might be appropriate to

5239
02:46:05,116 --> 02:46:06,484
stay that.

5240
02:46:06,484 --> 02:46:09,487
It's a motion -- it would be

5241
02:46:09,487 --> 02:46:11,489
a -- it would move to stay

5242
02:46:11,489 --> 02:46:12,190
unless opposing counsel agreed

5243
02:46:12,190 --> 02:46:16,390
to a stay, but then still the

5244
02:46:16,929 --> 02:46:17,596
judge -- the -- the judicial

5245
02:46:17,596 --> 02:46:17,996
body has to agree to that,s

5246
02:46:17,996 --> 02:46:19,599
well.

5247
02:46:19,599 --> 02:46:21,340
>> so I would take what the

5248
02:46:21,340 --> 02:46:22,402
board, if this motion were to

5249
02:46:22,402 --> 02:46:24,404
pass, I would take it as the

5250
02:46:24,404 --> 02:46:26,740
board's direction ease sectionly

5251
02:46:26,740 --> 02:46:28,675
to defer this, essentially cease

5252
02:46:28,675 --> 02:46:30,143
what's going on with litigation,

5253
02:46:30,143 --> 02:46:31,278
awaiting the outcome of what the

5254
02:46:31,278 --> 02:46:33,113
board wants to do here.

5255
02:46:33,113 --> 02:46:34,248
We have actually outside counsel

5256
02:46:34,248 --> 02:46:34,548
handling this litigation at this

5257
02:46:34,548 --> 02:46:35,516
stage.

5258
02:46:35,516 --> 02:46:37,886
I can confer with them.

5259
02:46:37,886 --> 02:46:38,619
But I understand what the

5260
02:46:38,619 --> 02:46:39,487
board's potential direction here

5261
02:46:39,487 --> 02:46:41,550
is essentially just to stop

5262
02:46:41,550 --> 02:46:42,924
what's going on for now, to see

5263
02:46:42,924 --> 02:46:43,224
what action the board wants to

5264
02:46:43,224 --> 02:46:45,224
take.

5265
02:46:45,261 --> 02:46:47,661
>> michael owen: yeah, because,

5266
02:46:48,164 --> 02:46:50,666
because, sorry to cut you off,

5267
02:46:50,666 --> 02:46:51,200
my -- I disagree with

5268
02:46:51,200 --> 02:46:52,769
commissioner cohen.

5269
02:46:52,769 --> 02:46:54,471
I think if we come up with

5270
02:46:54,471 --> 02:46:55,838
different requirements, or

5271
02:46:55,838 --> 02:46:58,238
remove requirements, and we're

5272
02:46:58,975 --> 02:47:01,975
in the middle of litigation,

5273
02:47:02,790 --> 02:47:02,780
that could be new evidence,

5274
02:47:02,780 --> 02:47:03,800
which could bring us back in

5275
02:47:03,800 --> 02:47:04,382
court.

5276
02:47:04,382 --> 02:47:06,782
Is that a possibility?

5277
02:47:06,851 --> 02:47:09,220
>> I would think that any parts

5278
02:47:09,220 --> 02:47:12,657
of the rp-2 that the board

5279
02:47:12,657 --> 02:47:13,625
subsequently changed, that --

5280
02:47:13,625 --> 02:47:14,726
those issues would effectively

5281
02:47:14,726 --> 02:47:15,694
be mooted in litigation.

5282
02:47:15,694 --> 02:47:16,328
But there are other parts of

5283
02:47:16,328 --> 02:47:17,620
this outside of community

5284
02:47:17,620 --> 02:47:17,363
benefits that are presently at

5285
02:47:17,363 --> 02:47:17,930
issue.

5286
02:47:17,930 --> 02:47:19,930
>> michael owen: okay.

5287
02:47:21,167 --> 02:47:21,634
All right.

5288
02:47:21,634 --> 02:47:23,634
I'll second it.

5289
02:47:24,237 --> 02:47:26,720
Thanks for that clarification.

5290
02:47:26,720 --> 02:47:26,472
>> ken hagan: just so I

5291
02:47:26,472 --> 02:47:27,907
understand.

5292
02:47:27,907 --> 02:47:29,142
We're essentially requesting

5293
02:47:29,142 --> 02:47:30,544
continuance of oral argument,

5294
02:47:30,544 --> 02:47:32,479
which is the same thing the

5295
02:47:32,479 --> 02:47:32,980
other side's done a few times?

5296
02:47:32,980 --> 02:47:34,415
>> yes.

5297
02:47:34,415 --> 02:47:37,185
This has been continued before

5298
02:47:37,185 --> 02:47:37,852
by the other side.

5299
02:47:37,852 --> 02:47:38,519
and, for what it's worth in

5300
02:47:38,519 --> 02:47:41,519
terms of staying it versus

5301
02:47:43,240 --> 02:47:44,326
continuing, neither side is

5302
02:47:44,326 --> 02:47:45,660
really incurring much in terms

5303
02:47:45,660 --> 02:47:46,295
of fees and costs when it's

5304
02:47:46,295 --> 02:47:48,300
being continued.

5305
02:47:48,300 --> 02:47:48,330
So no other action is being

5306
02:47:48,330 --> 02:47:48,964
taken.

5307
02:47:48,964 --> 02:47:49,698
The board is asking for

5308
02:47:49,698 --> 02:47:51,767
essentially things to be paused

5309
02:47:51,767 --> 02:47:53,690
for the moment.

5310
02:47:53,690 --> 02:47:56,339
>> ken hagan: and at the end of

5311
02:47:56,339 --> 02:47:57,107
the day we still remain the

5312
02:47:57,107 --> 02:47:58,909
ultimate arbiter?

5313
02:47:58,909 --> 02:48:00,644
>> well the court, like I said,

5314
02:48:00,644 --> 02:48:02,450
the lower court judge has ruled

5315
02:48:02,450 --> 02:48:03,147
that the county's actions were

5316
02:48:03,147 --> 02:48:04,982
proper and legal at the time the

5317
02:48:04,982 --> 02:48:06,284
comp plan was adopted.

5318
02:48:06,284 --> 02:48:07,510
That's being appealed to the

5319
02:48:07,510 --> 02:48:08,953
second dca.

5320
02:48:08,953 --> 02:48:10,488
If the second dca was to find

5321
02:48:10,488 --> 02:48:11,689
that wasn't the case we would be

5322
02:48:11,689 --> 02:48:12,423
back before you regarding the

5323
02:48:12,423 --> 02:48:14,423
comp plan.

5324
02:48:14,660 --> 02:48:17,660
Otherwise if the second dca

5325
02:48:17,963 --> 02:48:20,363
upholds the lower ruling,

5326
02:48:20,532 --> 02:48:22,334
then -- well, it MAY be appealed

5327
02:48:22,334 --> 02:48:23,202
further, the comp plan

5328
02:48:23,202 --> 02:48:25,438
amendments would take effect.

5329
02:48:25,438 --> 02:48:26,539
As of this time they are still

5330
02:48:26,539 --> 02:48:27,574
not in effect.

5331
02:48:27,574 --> 02:48:28,108
>> ken hagan: okay, thank you.

5332
02:48:28,108 --> 02:48:30,108
Commissioner myers?

5333
02:48:30,343 --> 02:48:31,512
>> gwen myers: okay, thank you.

5334
02:48:31,512 --> 02:48:32,213
I know we're responsible for

5335
02:48:32,213 --> 02:48:35,213
setting policy and now today

5336
02:48:38,850 --> 02:48:39,887
we're becoming lawyers, trying

5337
02:48:39,887 --> 02:48:40,422
to see what the legal is going

5338
02:48:40,422 --> 02:48:41,823
to say.

5339
02:48:41,823 --> 02:48:43,257
Why can't we wait until the case

5340
02:48:43,257 --> 02:48:45,270
was over and then if we wanted

5341
02:48:45,270 --> 02:48:45,827
to bring this up at that time,

5342
02:48:45,827 --> 02:48:46,528
then we could?

5343
02:48:46,528 --> 02:48:47,950
Because I think there's ample

5344
02:48:47,950 --> 02:48:50,950
enough time to do so.

5345
02:48:50,265 --> 02:48:51,633
Thank you.

5346
02:48:51,633 --> 02:48:52,735
>> joshua wostal: just to get, I

5347
02:48:52,735 --> 02:48:54,670
mean we just found there's no

5348
02:48:54,670 --> 02:48:56,720
harm and actually it would be a

5349
02:48:56,720 --> 02:48:57,173
punishment if we are going to

5350
02:48:57,173 --> 02:48:59,173
ultimately make changes.

5351
02:48:59,676 --> 02:49:02,946
We would be causing one of our

5352
02:49:02,946 --> 02:49:04,481
constituents to unnecessarily

5353
02:49:04,481 --> 02:49:06,283
expand legal fees, they would

5354
02:49:06,283 --> 02:49:07,284
not if we put a stay or

5355
02:49:07,284 --> 02:49:08,519
continuance, whichever they

5356
02:49:08,519 --> 02:49:10,922
decide, I don't know the legal

5357
02:49:10,922 --> 02:49:11,856
language, but if we continue to

5358
02:49:11,856 --> 02:49:13,925
proceed, and they continue with

5359
02:49:13,925 --> 02:49:14,926
oral arguments and appeals, and

5360
02:49:14,926 --> 02:49:16,328
they change then our constituent

5361
02:49:16,328 --> 02:49:17,295
is just out of a lot of money

5362
02:49:17,295 --> 02:49:19,695
that was completely unnecessary.

5363
02:49:21,233 --> 02:49:21,934
And ultimately, we're -- we are

5364
02:49:21,934 --> 02:49:25,534
the -- these, us seven, this

5365
02:49:28,274 --> 02:49:29,275
body, we are the legal body.

5366
02:49:29,275 --> 02:49:30,977
The attorney is our client.

5367
02:49:30,977 --> 02:49:33,480
Not the other way around.

5368
02:49:33,480 --> 02:49:36,316
So, we are the ones who make the

5369
02:49:36,316 --> 02:49:37,251
decisions on 100% of their

5370
02:49:37,251 --> 02:49:38,552
instructions.

5371
02:49:38,552 --> 02:49:39,220
So that's -- that's why it would

5372
02:49:39,220 --> 02:49:40,754
make sense at this time to

5373
02:49:40,754 --> 02:49:41,356
protect our constituents.

5374
02:49:41,356 --> 02:49:43,756
>> ken hagan: thank you.

5375
02:49:46,161 --> 02:49:47,329
Commissioner kemp?

5376
02:49:47,329 --> 02:49:48,296
>> pat kemp: the work, the

5377
02:49:48,296 --> 02:49:49,300
preparation for all of this has

5378
02:49:49,300 --> 02:49:51,300
already been done.

5379
02:49:51,660 --> 02:49:51,667
It's already been pursued to

5380
02:49:51,667 --> 02:49:53,269
this point.

5381
02:49:53,269 --> 02:49:53,969
I agree totally with

5382
02:49:53,969 --> 02:49:55,505
commissioner myers, we should

5383
02:49:55,505 --> 02:49:57,607
just get the result we can do

5384
02:49:57,607 --> 02:50:01,611
what we MAY, but we have an

5385
02:50:01,611 --> 02:50:03,947
answer, one way or the other

5386
02:50:03,947 --> 02:50:05,449
there, and, you know, we should

5387
02:50:05,449 --> 02:50:06,984
just stay the course on this.

5388
02:50:06,984 --> 02:50:07,685
This is next week.

5389
02:50:07,685 --> 02:50:08,886
>> ken hagan: okay.

5390
02:50:08,886 --> 02:50:09,820
Motion by commissioner owen,

5391
02:50:09,820 --> 02:50:10,154
second by commissioner cameron

5392
02:50:10,154 --> 02:50:10,655
cepeda.

5393
02:50:10,655 --> 02:50:12,655
No other comments.

5394
02:50:17,829 --> 02:50:19,330
Please record your vote.

5395
02:50:19,330 --> 02:50:20,320
>> motion carried 4-3.

5396
02:50:20,320 --> 02:50:20,499
Commissioners cohen, kemp and

5397
02:50:20,499 --> 02:50:21,266
myers voted no.

5398
02:50:21,266 --> 02:50:23,666
>> ken hagan: all right.

5399
02:50:25,338 --> 02:50:26,572
anything else today?

5400
02:50:26,572 --> 02:50:26,906
>> no, sir, that concludes our

5401
02:50:26,906 --> 02:50:27,607
agenda.

5402
02:50:27,607 --> 02:50:30,700
>> ken hagan: we're adjourned.