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>> nigel joseph: welcome,

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everyone, to the MAY 11th,

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2026 public hearing of the

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planning commission on city of

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tampa comprehensive plan

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amendments.

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We thank you for attending this

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meeting.

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Your comments and participation

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are encouraged.

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For those attending in-person

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and wishing to speak on any

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agenda item, please sign the

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register at the rear of the room

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and turn off any devices that

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MAY be a distraction.

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To minimize feedback, all online

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participants in the meeting will

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be muted until it is their

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opportunity to speak.

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Planning commissioners should

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unmute themselves to indicate

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that they would like to speak.

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Please be sure to state your

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name at the beginning of your

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remarks for the benefit of the

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clerk.

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There will be an opportunity for

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members of the public to provide

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When your name is called, you

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will be unmuted when it is your

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time to speak.

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Wait until the chair calls on

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you to begin speaking.

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State your

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state your name at the beginning

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of your comments and adhere to

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If anybody is watching via htv

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and would like to provide

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comments for the local

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government hearing, please email

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them to planner@plancom.Org.

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For those of you who are not

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familiar with our process, the

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meeting will be conducted a

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follows.

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The agenda item will be

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introduced, staff will give

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their presentation with a

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15-minute time limit.

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The applicant will be given the

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opportunity to make a

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presentation with a 15-minute

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Following presentations, members

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of the public MAY address the

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planning commission when

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recognized by the CHAIRMAN.

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Public comment will be heard for

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three minutes per person.

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The applicant will be afforded a

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three-minute period for rebuttal

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or response.

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Planning commissioners will ask

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Public comment will be closed.

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Then upon a motion, second and

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discussion, a vote will be

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taken.

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To all participants, please note

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that tonight's hearing concerns

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proposed changes to the

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comprehensive plan.

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Presentations should not include

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matters related to zoning

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applications and site plans that

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are not before the commission.

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relevant to plan amendments and

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MAY not be considered by the

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planning commission.

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The planning commission's

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purview in making a

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recommendation is requiremented

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to consistency or inconsistency

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with the comprehensive plan and

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with that, I'd like to ask the

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clerk's representative to please

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call roll.

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>> good evning, commissioners.

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Bowden.

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>> here.

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>> cardenas.

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Cona.

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>> here.

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>> jemison.

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>> here.

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>> kugler.

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>> here.

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>> linkous.

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>> here.

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>> sieben.

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Sienk.

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>> here.

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>> berry.

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>> here.

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>> orton.

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>> here.

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>> joseph.

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>> nigel joseph: here.

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>> you have a quorum, sir.

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>> nigel joseph: thank you.

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All right.

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Our first item of business is

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2a, ta/cpa 26-01, comprehensive

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plan map amendment 1605 north

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waters court and the presenter

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is quinn steele.

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>> good evening, qunn steele,

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planning commission staff.

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This item is ta/cpa 26-01 for

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1605 north waters court.

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The request before you is

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privately initiated and small

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scale.

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Covering approximately

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3.39 acres and the request is to

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change the future land use

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designation from community mixed

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use 35 to urban mixed use 60.

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Here is a general location map.

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The subject site is located

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within the central tampa

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planning district.

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The central park urban village.

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The historic ybor neighborhood.

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The ybor city local historic

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district and the central park

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cra.

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This map shows an aerial of the

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subject site outlined in yellow.

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I did want to mention there has

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been a lot of recent development

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in the surrounding area so this

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aerial MAY not fully reflect

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current conditions.

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their site fronts east 7th

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avenue a major commercial

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corridor in ybor city and

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located about 230 feet east of

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north nebraska avenue which is a

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designated transit emphasis

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corridor.

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Nebraska avenue also marks the

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boundary for the cbd periphery,

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west of nebraska and south of

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east 3rd avenue allows desity

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and intensity bonuses up to 2.5%

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of

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200%under the designation and the

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red dashed line shown here

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represents the boundary for the

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ybor city local historic

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district to the north and east.

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The surrounding area is mixed

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use with multi-family commercial

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and institutional uses

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immediately south are booker t.

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Washington and the robert w.

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Saunders library.

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To the west is a church and

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drive-thru restaurant is the gte

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building.

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The gasworx development are to

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the southeast with the channel

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district further beyond the

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frame.

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This is a photo looking directly

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is he subject site along south

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henderson avenue.

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Looking east or east scott site,

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these are the law union

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apartments and the subject site

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is out of frame behind the

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camera.

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This is looking south of the

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site along estelle street

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towards the elementary school

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and the subject site is out of

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frame to the left.

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henderson avenue, west of the

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subject site and the subject

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site is behind the camera out of

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frame.

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And then looking west across

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north nebraska avenue towards

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downtown, the subject site is

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out of frame to the rear about

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230 feet.

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This map shows the adopted

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future land use as cmu-35

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allowing medium density

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residential and commercial uses

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at 35 units per acre or 2.0

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F.A.R. Which surrounds the site

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on all sides.

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To the east along 7th avenue

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is umu-60, there are additional

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parcels associated with the

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gasworx development.

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To the west of nebraska avenue

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includes umu-60 and rmu-35.

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Further is recreation open space

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tampa park plaza and further

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north is r-20.

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This map shows the proposed

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future land use as urban mixed

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use 60 which would allow high

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density and intensity, mixed use

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development up to 60 units per

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acre or 3.25 F.A.R.

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This amendment would increase

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the maximum from 118 to 203

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dwelling units and the allowable

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intensity from just over 295,000

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square feet to just over 497,000

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square feet for residential or

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non-residential uses.

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It would introduce commercial

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intensive uses and increase the

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allowable density and intensity

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on the site.

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We sent this amendment out for

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agency review and did not

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receive any objections, although

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the school board noted that

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washington elementary and blake

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high school are projected to

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exceed capacity.

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In considering this amendment,

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staff reviewed compatibility

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with the ybor city local

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historic district.

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Any future development would be

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subject to design standards by

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the barrio latin america

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commission, it is compatible

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with the historic character and

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surrounding area.

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Planning commission staff finds

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the report -- excuse me.

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Planning commission staff finds

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the request supports a compact

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city form by directing growth to

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the central park urban village

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which is an ara intended to

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accommodate higher density mixed

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use development.

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This site is also within a cra

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and currently underutilized so

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it would have more efficient use

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of land and infrastructure.

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In addition the site is located

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in close proximity to transit,

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multimodal infrastructure

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including the corridor along

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nebraska, teco, hart bus station

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and higher density and intensity

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in this location.

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It has policies ensuring

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adequate supply of housing.

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This would provide opportunities

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for growth helping to

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accommodate the city's projected

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growth population.

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Planning commission staff

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recommends tht the proposed map

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amendment be found consistent

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with the goals, objectives and

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policies of the tampa

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comprehensive plan.

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And I am available for any

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questions.

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>> nigel joseph: thank you.

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Is there an applicant

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presentation?

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>> good evening.

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Good evening, megan smith here

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on behalf of the applicant,

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tampa park apartments.

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Want to thank planning

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commission staff for covering

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everything.

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They did a fantastic job and

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feel like it was a very thorough

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review.

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Kind of wanted to touch on a

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couple of things and be quick

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and efficient with our time.

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So as she said, cbd periphery is

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immediately to the west

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following nebraska.

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For our site, we are in the

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central tampa planning district

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and local ybor historic

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district.

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We've got seminole heights,

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ybor, channel district and

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downtown tampa that we know are

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all growing.

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Those are within a five-minute

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commute from our location.

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And so we really feel like this

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would help bring and incentivize

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an area that is currently being

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underutilized.

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Our request is to go from cmu-35

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to umu-60 so that is the adopted

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proposed map.

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And then I know quinn touched on

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this and I want to hit it once

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more.

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With that cbd periphery, about a

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third of the surrounding

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properties can actually double

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their F.A.R.

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So what we are up against on

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both sides is 7.0 and 6.0 F.A.R.

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To the west and south and umu-60

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carrying on that gasworx

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development as well as the ybor

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historic district.

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Transportation wise, which

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supports the land use policies,

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we've got hart route 9 that

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connects from downtown tampa up

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to the university as well as the

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streetcar is located just a

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15-minute walk through ybor.

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And then that can bring you into

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downtown tampa as well.

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So we feel like this is really

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connected with the surrounding

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areas and helps support that

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intensification.

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and with that, I will conclude

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my presentation and I'm

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available for any questions.

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>> nigel joseph: all right.

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Thank you very much.

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We didn't have anyone sign up in

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the public comment for this one

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so I will turn it over to the

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commissioners for questions,

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comments, discussions.

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Not seeing -- commissioner louk,

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no?

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All right.

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Then I'm going to go on ahead

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and close the public comment on

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this and open it up to motions

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from the commissioners on this

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item.

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Commissioner louk.

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>> thank you, MR. Chair.

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I move we find cpa 26-01

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consistent with the tampa

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comprehensive plan and forward

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this representation to tampa

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city council.

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>> second.

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>> nigel joseph: all right, a

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motion of consistency by

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commissioner louk, second by

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commissioner cona.

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Any questions, comments or

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discussions from the

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commissioners before we take our

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vote on this one?

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Not seeing any, then would all

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signify their agreement by

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saying aye.

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[Ayes]

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Those opposed?

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That motion carries unanimously.

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All right.

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Next up, we hae agenda item 2b,

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ta/cpa 26-02, comprehensive plan

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map amendment 1701 east 2nd

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avenue and the presenter is meg

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Mccarthy.

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>> good evening, meaghan

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Mccarthy, planning commission

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staff.

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This is the hearing for ta/cpa

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2026-02 located at 1701 east

402
00:22:04,608 --> 00:22:06,608
2nd avenue.

403
00:22:06,911 --> 00:22:07,779
This is a privately initiated

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small scale amendment.

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And the subject site encompasses

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approximately.39 acres.

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The request is to go from light

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industrial future land use

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designation to urban mixed use

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60.

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The subject site is located

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00:22:22,427 --> 00:22:23,862
within the central tampa

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planning district.

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The historic ybor neighborhood,

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ybor city local historic

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00:22:30,368 --> 00:22:31,690
district as well as the coastal

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high hazard area.

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This is an aerial of the subject

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site with the subject site

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outlined in yellow.

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The surrounding area includes

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industrial uses.

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Directly to the east and south,

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as well as further east along

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adamo drive.

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Scattered commercial uses as

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well as residential further

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north of east second avenue.

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While the subject site is not

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within the ybor city urban

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village or port activity center,

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those boundaries are just to the

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north and south of the site

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respectively.

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Starting with our subject site

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photos, this is looking directly

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00:23:05,537 --> 00:23:07,639
at the subject site from north

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17th street.

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This is looking at industrial

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uses on the east side of the

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subject site with the subject

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00:23:14,845 --> 00:23:16,481
site behind the camera.

443
00:23:16,481 --> 00:23:17,315
This is looking at commercial

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00:23:17,315 --> 00:23:20,520
uses on the west side of the

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00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,720
subject site.

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Here we are looking south of the

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subject site at the salmon

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expressway overpass.

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Next we're looking west along

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adamo drive with the subject

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site in the frame.

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And lastly looking east along

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adamo drive.

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This is -- here we have

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referenced an historic map taken

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from ta/cpa 06-26 before it was

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approved to change the area

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outlined in pink from heavy

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industrial to the urban mixed

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use 60 that you'll see on the

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next slide.

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This gives some perspective on

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the transition from industrial

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to mixed use designations over

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the last 20 years as a result of

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multiple plan amendments in the

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surrounding area including 06-26

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as well as 07-03, and more

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00:24:07,433 --> 00:24:09,401
recently plan amendment 22-28

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which approved multiple parcels

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00:24:10,936 --> 00:24:12,471
to umu-60 including the one

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directly north of our current

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subject site.

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This is the adopted future land

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use map with the subject site

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outlined directly to the east

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and to the southeast are light

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and heavy industrial.

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Mixed use categories including

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umu-60, cmu-35, gmu-24 and cc-35

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comprise the rest of the

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surrounding area to the north,

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south, east and west.

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The teal line delineates the

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coastal high hazard area, the

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00:24:42,869 --> 00:24:45,869
portion of the subject site

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within the chha is just over

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[Inaudible].

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00:24:56,849 --> 00:24:59,152
Under the adopted F.L.U. Of

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light industrial, the site not

491
00:25:00,186 --> 00:25:00,485
eligible for residential

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00:25:00,485 --> 00:25:02,388
development.

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Currently the site can be

494
00:25:04,457 --> 00:25:05,959
considered for 25,482 square

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00:25:05,959 --> 00:25:08,328
feet of industrial uses.

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00:25:08,328 --> 00:25:09,896
Under the proposed umu-60

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designation, the site MAY be

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00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:13,730
considered for 23 residential

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00:25:13,833 --> 00:25:15,833
development units or 55,211

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square feet of residential or

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00:25:17,871 --> 00:25:18,871
non-residential uses.

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00:25:18,871 --> 00:25:20,606
The amendment would introduce

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00:25:20,606 --> 00:25:22,242
the potential for residential

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00:25:22,242 --> 00:25:24,144
uses and increase allowable

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residential and non-residential

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square footage and remove the

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consideration of industrial

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uses.

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This application was sent to our

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00:25:32,218 --> 00:25:35,155
partner agencies and there were

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00:25:35,155 --> 00:25:35,688
no options to the request.

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The city of tampa planning

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00:25:36,790 --> 00:25:37,857
department found the request

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comparable and compatible with

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00:25:40,393 --> 00:25:42,696
the surrounding area and noted

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the potential conflict between

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land development code

518
00:25:44,530 --> 00:25:46,530
requirements and industrial

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00:25:48,935 --> 00:25:50,137
development on this site.

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00:25:50,137 --> 00:25:51,337
Staff considered industrial

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00:25:51,337 --> 00:25:52,873
preservation policies as the

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00:25:52,873 --> 00:25:54,274
site is currently under the

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light industrial F.L.U.

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Designation and the industrial

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general zoning category.

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As well as policies related to

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the coastal high hazard area

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being that all of the subject

529
00:26:03,683 --> 00:26:05,419
site is considered within the

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00:26:05,419 --> 00:26:06,886
chha since the percentage within

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is over 50%.

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00:26:08,755 --> 00:26:11,792
As noted in the staff report and

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by the city of tampa staff, due

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00:26:13,930 --> 00:26:15,295
to minimum requirements for

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00:26:15,295 --> 00:26:17,300
development within the zoning

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00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,330
category the parcel is unlikely

537
00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:20,334
to allow for the development of

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00:26:20,334 --> 00:26:20,868
a true employment generating

539
00:26:20,868 --> 00:26:22,868
industrial use.

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00:26:23,270 --> 00:26:26,500
Due to this factor as well as

541
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:28,405
documented trends towards mixed

542
00:26:29,176 --> 00:26:30,511
use, staff found the request

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00:26:30,511 --> 00:26:31,712
consistency and removal for

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00:26:31,712 --> 00:26:34,112
consideration of industrial uses

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00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:36,517
on the site.

546
00:26:36,517 --> 00:26:38,917
The proposed amendment is

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00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,554
recommended to be found

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00:26:40,554 --> 00:26:41,322
consistent with the policies and

549
00:26:41,322 --> 00:26:43,390
objectives of the comprehensive

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00:26:43,390 --> 00:26:45,359
plan including policy related to

551
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,227
compatibility with the

552
00:26:46,227 --> 00:26:48,195
surrounding development pattern,

553
00:26:48,195 --> 00:26:49,529
promotion of densities

554
00:26:49,529 --> 00:26:52,529
supportive of mixed use and

555
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,100
transit and encouraging adequate

556
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:54,301
housing supply and infill

557
00:26:54,301 --> 00:26:55,870
development.

558
00:26:55,870 --> 00:26:57,538
As the surrounding area is noted

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00:26:57,538 --> 00:27:00,241
to be in transition to a more

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00:27:00,241 --> 00:27:02,641
mixed use development pattern

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00:27:05,146 --> 00:27:05,379
north of -- west of north 21st

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00:27:05,379 --> 00:27:05,913
street.

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00:27:05,913 --> 00:27:07,480
Planning commission staff

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00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,316
recommends that the proposed map

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00:27:08,316 --> 00:27:10,618
amendment be found consistency

566
00:27:10,618 --> 00:27:11,219
with the goals, objectives and

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00:27:11,219 --> 00:27:12,520
policies of the tampa

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00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,154
comprehensive plan and this

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00:27:13,154 --> 00:27:14,789
concludes my presentation.

570
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:15,389
I'm available for any questions.

571
00:27:15,389 --> 00:27:17,789
>> nigel joseph: thank you.

572
00:27:22,563 --> 00:27:24,963
Is there an applicant

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00:27:29,569 --> 00:27:31,205
presentation?

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00:27:31,205 --> 00:27:33,205
>> good evening, commissioners,

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00:27:33,908 --> 00:27:36,308
alex schaler, 400 north ashley

576
00:27:36,878 --> 00:27:37,111
drive with gardner brewer

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00:27:37,111 --> 00:27:37,812
hudson.

578
00:27:37,812 --> 00:27:40,212
I'll make this brief.

579
00:27:40,281 --> 00:27:40,647
I think this request is pretty

580
00:27:40,647 --> 00:27:42,647
straightforward.

581
00:27:43,317 --> 00:27:45,520
I was before you in 2024 with a

582
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,988
very large comprehensive plan

583
00:27:46,988 --> 00:27:48,156
amendment request and we had it

584
00:27:48,156 --> 00:27:50,556
split into two halves.

585
00:27:50,658 --> 00:27:52,961
We had a portion north of adamo.

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00:27:52,961 --> 00:27:55,563
We also had what's been

587
00:27:55,563 --> 00:27:57,963
classified as ybor harbor.

588
00:27:58,633 --> 00:28:00,635
In the north of adamo portion,

589
00:28:00,635 --> 00:28:03,505
this piece was left out.

590
00:28:03,505 --> 00:28:04,639
And at the time, our client, the

591
00:28:04,639 --> 00:28:06,307
applicant, was in negotiations

592
00:28:06,307 --> 00:28:07,709
to acquire this little strip but

593
00:28:07,709 --> 00:28:09,209
did not yet own it.

594
00:28:09,209 --> 00:28:10,545
Given the fact that they did not

595
00:28:10,545 --> 00:28:13,130
have ownership of that piece of

596
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:14,515
land, we did not include that in

597
00:28:14,515 --> 00:28:15,917
the original application.

598
00:28:15,917 --> 00:28:18,119
So what we're requesting from

599
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,755
you all this evening is a

600
00:28:20,755 --> 00:28:22,591
recommendation of approval for

601
00:28:22,591 --> 00:28:24,960
that umu-60 that's currently

602
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,829
located north of this strip to

603
00:28:27,829 --> 00:28:29,698
be extended to the south.

604
00:28:29,698 --> 00:28:31,800
This is a very small site.

605
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,301
As staff mentioned, it's not

606
00:28:33,301 --> 00:28:35,701
overly suitable for industrial

607
00:28:36,170 --> 00:28:37,272
uses just given the size of it.

608
00:28:37,272 --> 00:28:38,507
Typically industrial use vs a

609
00:28:38,507 --> 00:28:39,207
larger footprint and need more

610
00:28:39,207 --> 00:28:41,207
open space area.

611
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:42,611
And this is currently, like I

612
00:28:42,611 --> 00:28:45,110
said,.4 acres and it's

613
00:28:45,447 --> 00:28:45,613
currently serving as a parking

614
00:28:45,613 --> 00:28:47,613
lot.

615
00:28:47,648 --> 00:28:48,849
As meg mentioned, this area is

616
00:28:48,849 --> 00:28:49,718
trending towards mixed use.

617
00:28:49,718 --> 00:28:52,118
Both residential and commercial,

618
00:28:53,888 --> 00:28:55,724
you all are very aware of that

619
00:28:55,724 --> 00:28:59,324
with gasworx and ybor harbor and

620
00:28:59,694 --> 00:29:00,863
some of the future PDAs in the

621
00:29:00,863 --> 00:29:01,960
queue to be heard at city

622
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,640
council.

623
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,165
From a planning perspective,

624
00:29:04,165 --> 00:29:05,367
this is located along a transit

625
00:29:05,367 --> 00:29:06,468
emphasis corridor.

626
00:29:06,468 --> 00:29:08,369
Adamo drive is one of those and

627
00:29:08,369 --> 00:29:09,204
it is located near the ybor city

628
00:29:09,204 --> 00:29:11,204
urban village.

629
00:29:11,473 --> 00:29:12,708
So as meg mentioned, staff found

630
00:29:12,708 --> 00:29:12,941
this consistent and that's all I

631
00:29:12,941 --> 00:29:14,941
have.

632
00:29:15,310 --> 00:29:15,577
But I'm happy to answer any

633
00:29:15,577 --> 00:29:16,178
questions.

634
00:29:16,178 --> 00:29:17,880
>> nigel joseph: thank you.

635
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,814
We didn't have anyone sign up in

636
00:29:18,814 --> 00:29:20,583
the public comment for this one

637
00:29:20,583 --> 00:29:22,650
either, so questions, comments,

638
00:29:22,650 --> 00:29:24,620
thoughts to the commissioners on

639
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:26,589
this one?

640
00:29:26,589 --> 00:29:27,856
Not seeing much action, I'll go

641
00:29:27,856 --> 00:29:29,900
on ahead and close the public

642
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:30,526
comment on this one and open it

643
00:29:30,526 --> 00:29:32,494
up to motions from the

644
00:29:32,494 --> 00:29:33,596
commissioners on this item.

645
00:29:33,596 --> 00:29:35,596
Commissioner cona.

646
00:29:37,866 --> 00:29:38,434
>> yeah, motion to find ta/cpa

647
00:29:38,434 --> 00:29:39,401
26 -- 02 consistent with the

648
00:29:39,401 --> 00:29:39,702
comprehensive plan.

649
00:29:39,702 --> 00:29:40,368
>> second.

650
00:29:40,368 --> 00:29:41,871
>> nigel joseph: all right.

651
00:29:41,871 --> 00:29:42,471
motion of consistency finding by

652
00:29:42,471 --> 00:29:43,939
commissioner cona.

653
00:29:43,939 --> 00:29:45,741
Second to that motion by

654
00:29:45,741 --> 00:29:47,143
commissioner kugler.

655
00:29:47,143 --> 00:29:47,910
Any questions, comments or

656
00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:48,878
statements from the

657
00:29:48,878 --> 00:29:50,980
commissioners before we take our

658
00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:52,614
vote in not seeing any, then

659
00:29:52,614 --> 00:29:54,350
will all signify their

660
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:54,583
agreement by saying aye.

661
00:29:54,583 --> 00:29:56,452
[Ayes]

662
00:29:56,452 --> 00:29:56,652
Those opposed.

663
00:29:56,652 --> 00:29:58,652
[Aye]

664
00:30:00,923 --> 00:30:01,190
So the cheese stands alone.

665
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:01,490
[Laughter]

666
00:30:01,490 --> 00:30:03,459
Commissioner

667
00:30:03,459 --> 00:30:04,560
commissioner joseph against, all

668
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,960
the other planning commissioners

669
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:10,433
in favor of and the motion

670
00:30:10,433 --> 00:30:10,900
carries 7-1.

671
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:12,502
All right.

672
00:30:12,502 --> 00:30:14,902
Thank you very much.

673
00:30:15,138 --> 00:30:17,340
And that is our last item,

674
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:17,807
agenda item for this city of

675
00:30:17,807 --> 00:30:19,807
tampa public hearing.

676
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:21,577
I will go on ahead and adjourn

677
00:30:21,577 --> 00:30:24,577
this city of tampa public

678
00:30:25,848 --> 00:30:26,449
hearing at 6:28 and read us into

679
00:30:26,449 --> 00:30:27,350
our hillsborough county public

680
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:30,350
hearing if everybody will bear

681
00:30:30,687 --> 00:30:33,323
with me for just a moment.

682
00:30:33,323 --> 00:30:33,889
Welcome, everyone, to the MAY

683
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:34,991
11th, 2026 public hearing of

684
00:30:34,991 --> 00:30:35,525
the planning commission on

685
00:30:35,525 --> 00:30:37,260
hillsborough county

686
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:39,280
comprehensive plan amendments.

687
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:39,262
We thank you for attending this

688
00:30:39,262 --> 00:30:39,996
meeting.

689
00:30:39,996 --> 00:30:41,530
Your comments and participation

690
00:30:41,530 --> 00:30:42,832
are encouraged.

691
00:30:42,832 --> 00:30:43,465
For those attending in-person

692
00:30:43,465 --> 00:30:45,465
arn

693
00:30:45,702 --> 00:30:46,936
and wishing to speak, please

694
00:30:46,936 --> 00:30:49,772
sign the agenda at the rear of

695
00:30:49,772 --> 00:30:50,974
the room and turn off devices.

696
00:30:50,974 --> 00:30:52,275
All online participants in the

697
00:30:52,275 --> 00:30:53,376
meeting will be muted until it

698
00:30:53,376 --> 00:30:54,577
is their opportunity to speak.

699
00:30:54,577 --> 00:30:56,246
Planning commissioners should

700
00:30:56,246 --> 00:30:58,480
unmute themselves to indicate

701
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,550
they would like to speak.

702
00:31:00,550 --> 00:31:02,118
Please be sure to state your

703
00:31:02,118 --> 00:31:03,219
name at the beginning of your

704
00:31:03,219 --> 00:31:03,420
remarks for the benefit of the

705
00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:04,754
clerk.

706
00:31:04,754 --> 00:31:07,257
There will be an opportunity for

707
00:31:07,257 --> 00:31:07,524
members of the public to provide

708
00:31:07,524 --> 00:31:08,525
comments.

709
00:31:08,525 --> 00:31:10,260
When your name is called, you

710
00:31:10,260 --> 00:31:11,194
will be unmuted when it is your

711
00:31:11,194 --> 00:31:12,362
turn to speak.

712
00:31:12,362 --> 00:31:14,130
Please wait until the chair

713
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:14,798
calls on you to begin speaking.

714
00:31:14,798 --> 00:31:15,932
State your name at the beginning

715
00:31:15,932 --> 00:31:17,467
of your comments and adhere to

716
00:31:17,467 --> 00:31:19,436
the time limits.

717
00:31:19,436 --> 00:31:20,637
If anyone has difficulties or is

718
00:31:20,637 --> 00:31:22,172
watching via htv and would like

719
00:31:22,172 --> 00:31:24,474
to provide comments to be

720
00:31:24,474 --> 00:31:25,342
included in the record for the

721
00:31:25,342 --> 00:31:27,742
local government hearing, please

722
00:31:28,780 --> 00:31:28,511
email them to

723
00:31:28,511 --> 00:31:29,313
planner@plancom.Org.

724
00:31:29,313 --> 00:31:30,681
For those of you who are not

725
00:31:30,681 --> 00:31:31,882
familiar with our process, the

726
00:31:31,882 --> 00:31:32,115
meeting will be conducted as

727
00:31:32,115 --> 00:31:33,316
follows.

728
00:31:33,316 --> 00:31:33,617
The agenda item will be

729
00:31:33,617 --> 00:31:34,418
introduced.

730
00:31:34,418 --> 00:31:35,552
Staff will give their

731
00:31:35,552 --> 00:31:35,852
presentation with a 15-minute

732
00:31:35,852 --> 00:31:37,530
time limit.

733
00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:37,754
The applicant will be given the

734
00:31:37,754 --> 00:31:38,955
opportunity to make a

735
00:31:38,955 --> 00:31:39,990
presentation with a 15-minute

736
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:41,358
time limit.

737
00:31:41,358 --> 00:31:42,492
Following presentations, members

738
00:31:42,492 --> 00:31:43,193
of the public MAY address the

739
00:31:43,193 --> 00:31:45,128
planning commission when

740
00:31:45,128 --> 00:31:45,929
recognized by the CHAIRMAN.

741
00:31:45,929 --> 00:31:46,997
Public comment will be heard for

742
00:31:46,997 --> 00:31:48,632
three minutes per person.

743
00:31:48,632 --> 00:31:49,633
The applicant will be afforded a

744
00:31:49,633 --> 00:31:50,267
three-minute period for rebuttal

745
00:31:50,267 --> 00:31:51,602
or response.

746
00:31:51,602 --> 00:31:52,134
Planning commissioners will then

747
00:31:52,134 --> 00:31:53,437
ask questions.

748
00:31:53,437 --> 00:31:55,405
Public comment will be closed.

749
00:31:55,405 --> 00:31:57,808
Upon a motion, a second and

750
00:31:57,808 --> 00:31:58,800
discussion, a vote will be

751
00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,375
taken.

752
00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:01,111
To all participants, please note

753
00:32:01,111 --> 00:32:01,645
that tonight's hearing concerns

754
00:32:01,645 --> 00:32:03,180
proposed changes to the

755
00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:04,481
comprehensive plan.

756
00:32:04,481 --> 00:32:05,815
Presentations should not include

757
00:32:05,815 --> 00:32:06,450
matters related to zoning

758
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:08,652
applications and site plans that

759
00:32:08,652 --> 00:32:09,852
are not before the commission.

760
00:32:09,852 --> 00:32:10,853
Zoning conditions are not

761
00:32:10,853 --> 00:32:12,256
relevant to plan amendments and

762
00:32:12,256 --> 00:32:12,790
MAY not be considered by the

763
00:32:12,790 --> 00:32:13,557
planning commission.

764
00:32:13,557 --> 00:32:14,592
The planning commission's

765
00:32:14,592 --> 00:32:16,293
purview in making a

766
00:32:16,293 --> 00:32:17,194
recommendation is limited to

767
00:32:17,194 --> 00:32:18,262
consistency or inconsistency

768
00:32:18,262 --> 00:32:20,662
with the comprehensive plan.

769
00:32:20,898 --> 00:32:22,990
With that, I'd like to ask the

770
00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:24,499
clerk's representative to please

771
00:32:26,604 --> 00:32:27,238
call roll again.

772
00:32:27,238 --> 00:32:29,238
>> bowden.

773
00:32:29,306 --> 00:32:29,640
>> here.

774
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,275
>> cardenas.

775
00:32:31,275 --> 00:32:31,542
Cona.

776
00:32:31,542 --> 00:32:33,542
>> here.

777
00:32:33,678 --> 00:32:34,245
>> jemison.

778
00:32:34,245 --> 00:32:35,980
>> here.

779
00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:36,847
>> kugler.

780
00:32:36,847 --> 00:32:37,414
>> here.

781
00:32:37,414 --> 00:32:38,950
>> linkous.

782
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:40,785
Louk.

783
00:32:40,785 --> 00:32:41,850
>> here.

784
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:42,652
>> sieben.

785
00:32:42,652 --> 00:32:43,220
Sienk.

786
00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:44,288
>> here.

787
00:32:44,288 --> 00:32:44,555
>> berry.

788
00:32:44,555 --> 00:32:45,723
>> here.

789
00:32:45,723 --> 00:32:45,990
>> orton.

790
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:46,824
>> here.

791
00:32:46,824 --> 00:32:47,325
>> joseph.

792
00:32:47,325 --> 00:32:48,250
>> nigel joseph: here.

793
00:32:48,250 --> 00:32:49,260
>> you have a quorum, sir.

794
00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:49,493
>> nigel joseph: thank you.

795
00:32:49,493 --> 00:32:51,493
All right.

796
00:32:53,831 --> 00:32:56,701
First up, we have item 2a,

797
00:32:56,701 --> 00:32:58,200
hc/cpa 26-07, comprehensive plan

798
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,136
map amendment northwest of

799
00:32:59,136 --> 00:33:01,536
hillsborough avenue and george

800
00:33:02,607 --> 00:33:02,807
road and the presenter is alexis

801
00:33:02,807 --> 00:33:04,575
myers.

802
00:33:04,575 --> 00:33:05,443
>> good evening, alexis myers,

803
00:33:05,443 --> 00:33:07,443
planning commission staff.

804
00:33:08,379 --> 00:33:09,280
I'm here to present hc/cpa 26-07

805
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,949
located northwest of

806
00:33:10,949 --> 00:33:11,149
hillsborough avenue and george

807
00:33:11,149 --> 00:33:12,316
road.

808
00:33:12,316 --> 00:33:13,850
This is a privately initiated

809
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:15,954
map amendment that is small in

810
00:33:15,954 --> 00:33:16,221
scale and approximately

811
00:33:16,221 --> 00:33:17,121
6.7 acres.

812
00:33:17,121 --> 00:33:17,956
The applicant is requesting to

813
00:33:17,956 --> 00:33:19,891
change the future land use

814
00:33:19,891 --> 00:33:21,891
designation from residential 6

815
00:33:22,861 --> 00:33:23,828
and office commercial 20 to

816
00:33:23,828 --> 00:33:25,563
light industrial planned.

817
00:33:25,563 --> 00:33:25,730
This is the general location

818
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:27,331
map.

819
00:33:27,331 --> 00:33:28,933
It is in the urban service area

820
00:33:28,933 --> 00:33:29,834
within the limits of the town

821
00:33:29,834 --> 00:33:31,136
'n' country community plan.

822
00:33:31,136 --> 00:33:32,337
It is located north of

823
00:33:32,337 --> 00:33:35,306
hillsborough avenue and west of

824
00:33:35,306 --> 00:33:36,841
george road.

825
00:33:36,841 --> 00:33:39,143
Here is an aerial of the site.

826
00:33:39,143 --> 00:33:40,645
The site is outlined in pink.

827
00:33:40,645 --> 00:33:40,845
Vacant land is on the subject

828
00:33:40,845 --> 00:33:42,747
site.

829
00:33:42,747 --> 00:33:45,747
The property is in the

830
00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:48,753
evacuation zone "a," fema ae,

831
00:33:48,753 --> 00:33:49,421
public/quasi-public

832
00:33:49,421 --> 00:33:50,956
institutional and single-family

833
00:33:50,956 --> 00:33:52,724
uses to the north and west,

834
00:33:52,724 --> 00:33:53,892
light commercial uses located

835
00:33:53,892 --> 00:33:54,793
south, west and east across

836
00:33:54,793 --> 00:33:55,893
george road.

837
00:33:55,893 --> 00:33:58,263
Light industrial uses are also

838
00:33:58,263 --> 00:34:01,863
to the east across george road

839
00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:04,302
and west of hillsborough avenue.

840
00:34:04,302 --> 00:34:04,503
Here are some pictures of the

841
00:34:04,503 --> 00:34:05,303
site.

842
00:34:05,303 --> 00:34:08,340
This is looking at the subject

843
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:09,474
site from george road.

844
00:34:09,474 --> 00:34:11,843
This is looking at the subject

845
00:34:11,843 --> 00:34:12,611
site from george road as well.

846
00:34:12,611 --> 00:34:14,579
Single-family uses are located

847
00:34:14,579 --> 00:34:14,813
north and west of the subject

848
00:34:14,813 --> 00:34:16,748
site.

849
00:34:16,748 --> 00:34:17,482
And then if you can see in the

850
00:34:17,482 --> 00:34:19,482
distance, it's single-family

851
00:34:19,718 --> 00:34:21,253
right here.

852
00:34:21,253 --> 00:34:22,921
This is looking west towards

853
00:34:22,921 --> 00:34:23,455
west clifton street from george

854
00:34:23,455 --> 00:34:24,690
road.

855
00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:27,590
The subject site is located on

856
00:34:27,590 --> 00:34:28,493
the left.

857
00:34:28,493 --> 00:34:29,895
And this is looking east from

858
00:34:29,895 --> 00:34:31,129
george road to the light

859
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:33,129
commercial use.

860
00:34:34,833 --> 00:34:35,167
The subject site is behind the

861
00:34:35,167 --> 00:34:36,267
photographer.

862
00:34:36,267 --> 00:34:37,469
And this is looking west from

863
00:34:37,469 --> 00:34:39,469
the subject site.

864
00:34:40,205 --> 00:34:41,707
I'm sorry, looking west of the

865
00:34:41,707 --> 00:34:44,143
subject site from george road to

866
00:34:44,143 --> 00:34:45,444
the light commercial use.

867
00:34:45,444 --> 00:34:46,545
Currently the future land use

868
00:34:46,545 --> 00:34:47,946
designation is residential 6 and

869
00:34:47,946 --> 00:34:49,946
office commercial 20.

870
00:34:50,549 --> 00:34:52,651
The res-6 category allows six

871
00:34:52,651 --> 00:34:52,985
dwelling units per gross

872
00:34:52,985 --> 00:34:54,985
undertaker

873
00:34:56,922 --> 00:34:59,225
acre.This designation allows for the

874
00:34:59,225 --> 00:34:59,758
consideration of agricultural,

875
00:34:59,758 --> 00:35:01,193
residential, neighborhood

876
00:35:01,193 --> 00:35:02,160
commercial, office uses,

877
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,560
multipurpose projects and mixed

878
00:35:05,464 --> 00:35:07,650
use development.

879
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:08,968
That category allows 20 dwelling

880
00:35:08,968 --> 00:35:10,502
units per gross acre and maximum

881
00:35:10,502 --> 00:35:12,438
floor area ratio of 0.75.

882
00:35:12,438 --> 00:35:13,439
This designation allows for the

883
00:35:13,439 --> 00:35:14,973
consideration of agricultural,

884
00:35:14,973 --> 00:35:16,709
community commercial type uses,

885
00:35:16,709 --> 00:35:17,910
office uses, mixed use

886
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:19,679
developments and compatible

887
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:20,379
residential uses.

888
00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:23,282
Other future land use categories

889
00:35:23,282 --> 00:35:25,151
shown in this map include urban

890
00:35:25,151 --> 00:35:27,420
mixed use 20 and community mixed

891
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:29,288
use 12 to the east and

892
00:35:29,288 --> 00:35:29,555
residential 20 further

893
00:35:29,555 --> 00:35:30,523
southwest.

894
00:35:30,523 --> 00:35:31,424
The applicant is proposing to

895
00:35:31,424 --> 00:35:33,559
amend the future land use

896
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:34,893
category to light industrial

897
00:35:34,893 --> 00:35:36,395
planned.

898
00:35:36,395 --> 00:35:39,995
The li-p category allows for a

899
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:45,705
maximum floor area median income area ratio of.75.

900
00:35:45,705 --> 00:35:46,372
This designation allows for the

901
00:35:46,372 --> 00:35:48,372
consideration of agricultural,

902
00:35:48,541 --> 00:35:50,175
light industrial uses such as

903
00:35:50,175 --> 00:35:52,175
processing, manufacturing,

904
00:35:53,346 --> 00:35:55,348
recycling and storage materials

905
00:35:55,348 --> 00:35:57,116
as predominantly uses including

906
00:35:57,116 --> 00:35:58,840
support uses, warehousing and

907
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,840
retail uses.

908
00:36:00,687 --> 00:36:02,222
Next are the impacts.

909
00:36:02,222 --> 00:36:05,222
As far as conditions, currently

910
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:10,860
under res-6 and oc-20, the site

911
00:36:11,831 --> 00:36:13,700
can have 28 dwelling units or

912
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:15,700
51,945 square feet of

913
00:36:17,103 --> 00:36:18,738
residential uses.

914
00:36:18,738 --> 00:36:19,839
The proposed amendment will

915
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:21,573
eliminate any potential

916
00:36:21,573 --> 00:36:23,309
residential density, allow

917
00:36:23,309 --> 00:36:25,709
greater commercial intensity and

918
00:36:26,378 --> 00:36:28,148
introduce light industrial uses.

919
00:36:28,148 --> 00:36:28,848
The following policies were

920
00:36:28,848 --> 00:36:30,150
considered by planning

921
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:31,651
commission staff in evaluation

922
00:36:31,651 --> 00:36:32,853
of the amendment.

923
00:36:32,853 --> 00:36:34,421
While formulating or

924
00:36:34,421 --> 00:36:36,220
recommendation, pc staff reviews

925
00:36:36,220 --> 00:36:36,990
all related policies regarding

926
00:36:36,990 --> 00:36:38,325
the proposed request.

927
00:36:38,325 --> 00:36:39,859
Though the request is related to

928
00:36:39,859 --> 00:36:42,259
some general policies, staff

929
00:36:43,463 --> 00:36:44,998
found four main areas of

930
00:36:44,998 --> 00:36:47,601
inconsistency -- I'm sorry, four

931
00:36:47,601 --> 00:36:50,100
main areas of inconsistency.

932
00:36:51,571 --> 00:36:52,380
It isn't consistency with the

933
00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:52,673
following policies and

934
00:36:52,673 --> 00:36:52,873
procedures of the comprehensive

935
00:36:52,873 --> 00:36:54,641
plan.

936
00:36:54,641 --> 00:36:55,442
It does not demonstrate

937
00:36:55,442 --> 00:36:56,760
compatibility with the

938
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,760
surrounding development pattern

939
00:36:59,112 --> 00:37:02,482
as envisioned by future land use

940
00:37:02,482 --> 00:37:03,917
section objective 3.1 and policy

941
00:37:03,917 --> 00:37:04,117
3.1.3 due to the single-family

942
00:37:04,117 --> 00:37:05,919
uses.

943
00:37:05,919 --> 00:37:06,620
The proposed amendment would

944
00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:07,988
disrupt the intent and

945
00:37:07,988 --> 00:37:09,189
progression of lad use

946
00:37:09,189 --> 00:37:11,240
intensities and fail to provide

947
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:12,559
a gradual and compatible

948
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:14,828
transition envisioned by future

949
00:37:14,828 --> 00:37:16,496
land use policy 3.1.2.

950
00:37:16,496 --> 00:37:17,798
This established pattern creates

951
00:37:17,798 --> 00:37:19,333
a logical progression of land

952
00:37:19,333 --> 00:37:20,634
use from residential to

953
00:37:20,634 --> 00:37:23,634
commercial to mixed use and

954
00:37:23,804 --> 00:37:24,705
ultimately to industrial uses.

955
00:37:24,705 --> 00:37:27,207
The subject site located on the

956
00:37:27,207 --> 00:37:29,610
west side of george road falls

957
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:31,245
outside of the area where higher

958
00:37:31,245 --> 00:37:33,245
intensity designations are

959
00:37:34,314 --> 00:37:36,283
currently concentrated.

960
00:37:36,283 --> 00:37:37,217
The introduction of light

961
00:37:37,217 --> 00:37:38,285
industrial uses at this location

962
00:37:38,285 --> 00:37:40,321
will result in a development

963
00:37:40,321 --> 00:37:41,422
that is inconsistent with the

964
00:37:41,422 --> 00:37:42,523
surrounding area and contrary to

965
00:37:42,523 --> 00:37:44,825
the policy framework intended to

966
00:37:44,825 --> 00:37:46,260
preserve and protect established

967
00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:48,329
residential communities as noted

968
00:37:48,329 --> 00:37:50,598
in future land use section

969
00:37:50,598 --> 00:37:51,598
objective 4.4 and policy 4.4.1.

970
00:37:51,598 --> 00:37:53,467
While the request would

971
00:37:53,467 --> 00:37:54,235
introduce light industrial uses,

972
00:37:54,235 --> 00:37:57,235
the applicant would be required

973
00:37:57,271 --> 00:37:59,907
to do a pd site plan rezoning

974
00:37:59,907 --> 00:38:00,675
which could contain mitigative

975
00:38:00,675 --> 00:38:03,750
strategies to address the

976
00:38:03,611 --> 00:38:03,811
existing residential to the

977
00:38:03,811 --> 00:38:04,478
west.

978
00:38:04,478 --> 00:38:05,713
Planning commission staff

979
00:38:05,713 --> 00:38:07,348
recommends that the proposed map

980
00:38:07,348 --> 00:38:09,650
amendment be found inconsistent

981
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:11,686
with the goals, objectives and

982
00:38:11,686 --> 00:38:12,119
policies of the unincorporated

983
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:12,819
hillsborough county

984
00:38:12,819 --> 00:38:15,219
comprehensive plan and this

985
00:38:15,655 --> 00:38:15,855
concludes my presentation for

986
00:38:15,855 --> 00:38:16,557
26-07.

987
00:38:16,557 --> 00:38:18,957
>> nigel joseph: thank you.

988
00:38:20,694 --> 00:38:21,280
Is there an applicant

989
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,280
presentation?

990
00:38:23,564 --> 00:38:25,564
>> good evening, commissioners.

991
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:42,500
I have a powerpoint.

992
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:43,551
Good evening, commissioners.

993
00:38:43,551 --> 00:38:46,551
My name is gina grimes.

994
00:38:47,622 --> 00:38:50,124
I'm with the law firm of bradley

995
00:38:50,124 --> 00:38:51,326
aaron and cummings, water

996
00:38:51,326 --> 00:38:52,360
street, here representing

997
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,960
cadence partners which is the

998
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,566
applicant on this comp plan from

999
00:38:58,566 --> 00:39:01,566
residential 6 and oc-20 to li-p.

1000
00:39:02,871 --> 00:39:03,204
You have heard staff give their

1001
00:39:03,204 --> 00:39:03,937
presentation.

1002
00:39:03,937 --> 00:39:05,937
They have recommended

1003
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,408
inconsistency mainly based on

1004
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:10,945
the fact -- I'm sorry.

1005
00:39:10,945 --> 00:39:12,814
Mainly based on the fact that

1006
00:39:12,814 --> 00:39:14,883
they don't believe that it is

1007
00:39:14,883 --> 00:39:15,830
compatible with the adjacent

1008
00:39:15,830 --> 00:39:16,500
area.

1009
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,530
We believe that the reason they

1010
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:20,889
came to this conclusion is that

1011
00:39:20,889 --> 00:39:21,623
they only evaluated the

1012
00:39:21,623 --> 00:39:24,230
immediately applicant area and

1013
00:39:24,726 --> 00:39:25,927
didn't look at the larger area

1014
00:39:25,927 --> 00:39:28,663
in context with this site.

1015
00:39:28,663 --> 00:39:30,297
When you evaluate the larger

1016
00:39:30,297 --> 00:39:32,670
area, what you are going to see

1017
00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:33,502
is the residential 6 comp plan

1018
00:39:33,502 --> 00:39:35,300
category is no longer

1019
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:37,105
appropriate in this location.

1020
00:39:37,105 --> 00:39:38,730
And furthermore, our site is not

1021
00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:38,373
suitable for residential

1022
00:39:38,373 --> 00:39:40,142
development.

1023
00:39:40,142 --> 00:39:41,343
When you look at the expanded

1024
00:39:41,343 --> 00:39:43,912
area, you also see that the

1025
00:39:43,912 --> 00:39:45,180
location is consistent with the

1026
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:47,382
uses in the surrounding area.

1027
00:39:47,382 --> 00:39:48,684
As you saw, there were

1028
00:39:48,684 --> 00:39:48,951
industrial uses in close

1029
00:39:48,951 --> 00:39:50,170
proximity.

1030
00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:51,753
There's also the airport in

1031
00:39:51,753 --> 00:39:52,654
close proximity and a lot of

1032
00:39:52,654 --> 00:39:53,188
commercial uses along

1033
00:39:53,188 --> 00:39:55,188
hillsborough avenue.

1034
00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:58,860
You are also going to see that

1035
00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:00,629
the location is consistent with

1036
00:40:00,629 --> 00:40:02,364
the specific intent of the li-p

1037
00:40:02,364 --> 00:40:03,365
policy and some other comp plan

1038
00:40:03,365 --> 00:40:06,365
policies that we will address.

1039
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:09,271
And then lastly, we believe that

1040
00:40:09,271 --> 00:40:11,440
the potential impact in the

1041
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,840
staff report was somewhat

1042
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:15,944
overstated in that they looked

1043
00:40:15,944 --> 00:40:17,246
at the maximum development

1044
00:40:17,246 --> 00:40:19,448
potential of the li-p as opposed

1045
00:40:19,448 --> 00:40:22,448
to what we're actually proposing

1046
00:40:22,617 --> 00:40:24,486
with the required pd.

1047
00:40:24,486 --> 00:40:25,487
When you look at the subject

1048
00:40:25,487 --> 00:40:28,190
site, you already know the

1049
00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:30,190
location of it.

1050
00:40:30,392 --> 00:40:32,361
It's about sx and a half acres.

1051
00:40:32,361 --> 00:40:34,430
1/3 of it has already got a comp

1052
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:36,830
plan category of oc-20.

1053
00:40:36,832 --> 00:40:37,320
So two acres of it is already

1054
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,320
oc-20.

1055
00:40:39,268 --> 00:40:39,501
As you heard from staff, it is

1056
00:40:39,501 --> 00:40:40,336
vacant.

1057
00:40:40,336 --> 00:40:42,304
Why is it vacant?

1058
00:40:42,304 --> 00:40:44,704
That's a good question.

1059
00:40:45,274 --> 00:40:47,543
The residential 6 category and

1060
00:40:47,543 --> 00:40:50,279
the rc9 zoning on this portion

1061
00:40:50,279 --> 00:40:50,579
of the site only allows

1062
00:40:50,579 --> 00:40:51,514
residential.

1063
00:40:51,514 --> 00:40:52,681
The property owner has marketed

1064
00:40:52,681 --> 00:40:54,350
it for residential for about

1065
00:40:54,350 --> 00:40:56,752
five or six years now.

1066
00:40:56,752 --> 00:40:58,870
And if you can't get residential

1067
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:59,589
or multi-family residential on a

1068
00:40:59,589 --> 00:41:01,457
site in this market, you're

1069
00:41:01,457 --> 00:41:03,525
never going to get it.

1070
00:41:03,525 --> 00:41:03,759
And the site has remained

1071
00:41:03,759 --> 00:41:05,759
vacant.

1072
00:41:05,795 --> 00:41:07,363
And we have been told by -- and

1073
00:41:07,363 --> 00:41:08,564
the owner has been told by real

1074
00:41:08,564 --> 00:41:10,964
estate professionals that the

1075
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,168
site itself is not appropriate

1076
00:41:12,168 --> 00:41:14,168
for residential.

1077
00:41:15,671 --> 00:41:16,271
And the reason for that is the

1078
00:41:16,271 --> 00:41:16,773
location and the configuration

1079
00:41:16,773 --> 00:41:18,773
of the site.

1080
00:41:19,108 --> 00:41:22,177
If you look at it, it's 330 feet

1081
00:41:22,177 --> 00:41:24,379
wide by almost 900 feet long.

1082
00:41:24,379 --> 00:41:26,349
A long rectangular lot like that

1083
00:41:26,349 --> 00:41:28,317
makes it very difficult to get

1084
00:41:28,317 --> 00:41:29,385
any development flexibility.

1085
00:41:29,385 --> 00:41:30,419
The professionals, the real

1086
00:41:30,419 --> 00:41:32,819
estate professionals have said

1087
00:41:33,122 --> 00:41:34,657
that the site is too small for

1088
00:41:34,657 --> 00:41:34,958
multi-family residential

1089
00:41:34,958 --> 00:41:36,859
development.

1090
00:41:36,859 --> 00:41:39,696
It can't support a surface

1091
00:41:39,696 --> 00:41:41,531
parking lot and the on-site

1092
00:41:41,531 --> 00:41:42,310
retention forcing you to go to

1093
00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:44,310
structured parking.

1094
00:41:44,266 --> 00:41:45,468
When you go to structured

1095
00:41:45,468 --> 00:41:46,803
parking, as everybody knows, it

1096
00:41:46,803 --> 00:41:48,803
substantially increases the

1097
00:41:49,205 --> 00:41:52,205
price and the construction costs

1098
00:41:52,375 --> 00:41:52,642
making rents too high for this

1099
00:41:52,642 --> 00:41:54,310
location.

1100
00:41:54,310 --> 00:41:57,310
Especially we're told because of

1101
00:41:58,715 --> 00:42:00,584
the proximity to the residential -- I'm sorry, to the

1102
00:42:00,584 --> 00:42:02,217
industrial on the other side of

1103
00:42:02,217 --> 00:42:02,719
george road and in the

1104
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,719
surrounding area.

1105
00:42:04,888 --> 00:42:06,256
So here is a comp plan map that

1106
00:42:06,256 --> 00:42:08,458
was in the staff report.

1107
00:42:08,458 --> 00:42:09,759
And this shows the existing uses

1108
00:42:09,759 --> 00:42:12,159
in the adjacent area.

1109
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:14,364
And this is -- the staff

1110
00:42:14,364 --> 00:42:15,898
evaluated this.

1111
00:42:15,898 --> 00:42:16,899
You'll see the subject site.

1112
00:42:16,899 --> 00:42:18,935
The subject site is not

1113
00:42:18,935 --> 00:42:19,236
immediately abutting

1114
00:42:19,236 --> 00:42:20,170
residential.

1115
00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:22,873
To the north you see the blue

1116
00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:24,341
area is actually a full one acre

1117
00:42:24,341 --> 00:42:25,942
parcel owned by hillsborough

1118
00:42:25,942 --> 00:42:27,477
county that's intended to be

1119
00:42:27,477 --> 00:42:28,812
used for drainage.

1120
00:42:28,812 --> 00:42:30,547
Along the western boundary of

1121
00:42:30,547 --> 00:42:32,820
the site, you see some blue

1122
00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:34,184
underneath that black line.

1123
00:42:34,184 --> 00:42:34,384
That also is another drainage

1124
00:42:34,384 --> 00:42:36,384
area.

1125
00:42:36,653 --> 00:42:39,189
So we don't directly abut the

1126
00:42:39,189 --> 00:42:39,456
residential, although it is

1127
00:42:39,456 --> 00:42:41,456
close-by.

1128
00:42:41,657 --> 00:42:43,460
To the east of the site, you see

1129
00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:44,428
what's called light industrial.

1130
00:42:44,428 --> 00:42:47,428
I don't think that industrial

1131
00:42:47,598 --> 00:42:50,567
was all that light because what

1132
00:42:50,567 --> 00:42:54,167
it contains is a paver company

1133
00:42:54,371 --> 00:42:56,573
and a lot of outdoor storage and

1134
00:42:56,573 --> 00:42:57,241
paver trucks that take material

1135
00:42:57,241 --> 00:42:59,241
to various sites.

1136
00:43:01,450 --> 00:43:04,148
You also have a used car lot.

1137
00:43:04,148 --> 00:43:06,160
To the east of that is an

1138
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,417
industrial mini warehouse

1139
00:43:07,417 --> 00:43:09,417
facility.

1140
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,456
South along of the site, along

1141
00:43:12,456 --> 00:43:12,856
hillsborough avenue, you have a

1142
00:43:12,856 --> 00:43:14,725
convenience store.

1143
00:43:14,725 --> 00:43:14,959
You have some industrial

1144
00:43:14,959 --> 00:43:16,959
already.

1145
00:43:17,561 --> 00:43:18,462
What's will is a small

1146
00:43:18,462 --> 00:43:19,863
manufacturing facility.

1147
00:43:19,863 --> 00:43:20,640
Then you have several used car

1148
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,198
lots.

1149
00:43:21,198 --> 00:43:22,933
You have a new car lot.

1150
00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:25,236
You have some auto repair there.

1151
00:43:25,236 --> 00:43:27,538
you can see a very small portion

1152
00:43:27,538 --> 00:43:28,380
of gray right there next to the

1153
00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:30,380
residential area.

1154
00:43:30,508 --> 00:43:33,878
And again, all this goes to the

1155
00:43:33,878 --> 00:43:34,745
point that there are these more

1156
00:43:34,745 --> 00:43:37,480
intensive industrial and heavy

1157
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,149
commercial and light commercial

1158
00:43:39,149 --> 00:43:39,783
uses immediately adjacent to the

1159
00:43:39,783 --> 00:43:41,783
residential area.

1160
00:43:42,753 --> 00:43:44,588
But when you go even further,

1161
00:43:44,588 --> 00:43:47,225
and zoom out even further, what

1162
00:43:47,225 --> 00:43:49,930
you see -- and this map is an

1163
00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:50,928
actual future land use map.

1164
00:43:50,928 --> 00:43:52,997
This is from the comp plan.

1165
00:43:52,997 --> 00:43:56,670
You can see the subject site

1166
00:43:56,670 --> 00:43:56,567
with the blue arrows in the

1167
00:43:56,567 --> 00:43:58,567
bottom left-hand corner.

1168
00:43:59,904 --> 00:44:02,730
You can see it, the parcel

1169
00:44:02,730 --> 00:44:05,730
outlined there with the arrow.

1170
00:44:05,275 --> 00:44:07,278
You can see there's substantial

1171
00:44:07,278 --> 00:44:09,414
amounts of industrial future

1172
00:44:09,414 --> 00:44:09,681
land use categories in close

1173
00:44:09,681 --> 00:44:11,681
proximity.

1174
00:44:12,716 --> 00:44:15,219
You also see more umu-20 and the

1175
00:44:15,219 --> 00:44:17,880
cmu-12, all of which are

1176
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:17,322
adjacent to this residential

1177
00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:18,823
area.

1178
00:44:18,823 --> 00:44:20,291
And then when you go south of

1179
00:44:20,291 --> 00:44:21,458
hillsborough avenue, you see

1180
00:44:21,458 --> 00:44:23,458
something similar.

1181
00:44:23,795 --> 00:44:25,997
You see more industrial, more

1182
00:44:25,997 --> 00:44:27,232
umu and cmu directly abutting

1183
00:44:27,232 --> 00:44:29,232
these residential areas.

1184
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:32,370
And so the question is, how did

1185
00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:36,700
this area get to the point where

1186
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:37,942
there is so many industrial and

1187
00:44:37,942 --> 00:44:39,610
heavy commercial uses in such

1188
00:44:39,610 --> 00:44:39,911
close proximity to the

1189
00:44:39,911 --> 00:44:41,779
residential?

1190
00:44:41,779 --> 00:44:42,130
Well, the answer is pretty

1191
00:44:42,130 --> 00:44:43,548
clear.

1192
00:44:43,548 --> 00:44:43,781
It's tampa international

1193
00:44:43,781 --> 00:44:45,781
airport.

1194
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:49,120
One of our community's most

1195
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,520
important and valuable assets.

1196
00:44:53,624 --> 00:44:55,594
And this site is actually 1700

1197
00:44:55,594 --> 00:44:58,430
linear feet from the airport.

1198
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:59,664
And I think it was unusual in

1199
00:44:59,664 --> 00:45:02,664
this instance that the staff

1200
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:04,269
report did not address the

1201
00:45:04,269 --> 00:45:05,871
proximity of the site to the

1202
00:45:05,871 --> 00:45:08,707
airport because it's really an

1203
00:45:08,707 --> 00:45:09,240
important issue when it comes to

1204
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,109
whether residential is

1205
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:13,509
appropriate on this site.

1206
00:45:13,745 --> 00:45:14,613
Tia is going to cause daily

1207
00:45:14,613 --> 00:45:17,249
impacts 24 hours a day probably

1208
00:45:17,249 --> 00:45:18,450
on residential uses, things like

1209
00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:18,684
noise, vibration and even

1210
00:45:18,684 --> 00:45:19,751
safety.

1211
00:45:19,751 --> 00:45:22,588
And that's why in your comp plan

1212
00:45:22,588 --> 00:45:23,922
you have policies that address

1213
00:45:23,922 --> 00:45:25,991
the airport and protecting the

1214
00:45:25,991 --> 00:45:26,857
airport from incompatible uses

1215
00:45:26,857 --> 00:45:28,857
in the area.

1216
00:45:30,395 --> 00:45:32,564
You also have a requirement --

1217
00:45:32,564 --> 00:45:32,765
and both of these sections are

1218
00:45:32,765 --> 00:45:34,533
cited.

1219
00:45:34,533 --> 00:45:34,732
The comp plan sections are

1220
00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:36,501
cited.

1221
00:45:36,501 --> 00:45:38,270
You also have a requirement that

1222
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:39,438
a noise exposure study is

1223
00:45:39,438 --> 00:45:40,906
supposed to be evaluated so that

1224
00:45:40,906 --> 00:45:42,540
you all can reassess the

1225
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:44,176
appropriate location of

1226
00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:46,576
compatible and incompatible land

1227
00:45:48,881 --> 00:45:50,849
uses to support the airport.

1228
00:45:50,849 --> 00:45:52,510
And the existence of the airport

1229
00:45:52,510 --> 00:45:53,786
in this proximity is probably

1230
00:45:53,786 --> 00:45:57,386
one of the biggest reasons why

1231
00:45:57,957 --> 00:45:58,857
we don't believe that

1232
00:45:58,857 --> 00:45:59,824
residential is no longer

1233
00:45:59,824 --> 00:46:01,360
appropriate in this area.

1234
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,360
Another reason is the coastal

1235
00:46:05,698 --> 00:46:07,698
high hazard area.

1236
00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:09,201
You have the coastal high hazard

1237
00:46:09,201 --> 00:46:10,636
area covers all of that

1238
00:46:10,636 --> 00:46:12,504
residential area and it covers

1239
00:46:12,504 --> 00:46:15,700
some portions of the site.

1240
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:16,909
And you also have the site in

1241
00:46:16,909 --> 00:46:18,909
evacuation zone "a."

1242
00:46:19,450 --> 00:46:22,645
you also have policies in your

1243
00:46:24,417 --> 00:46:25,418
comp plan that address -- in

1244
00:46:25,418 --> 00:46:26,952
coastal management that address

1245
00:46:26,952 --> 00:46:28,921
development in the coastal high

1246
00:46:28,921 --> 00:46:30,222
hazard area and providing

1247
00:46:30,222 --> 00:46:31,958
incentives to move development

1248
00:46:31,958 --> 00:46:34,958
out of those high-risk areas.

1249
00:46:35,695 --> 00:46:37,763
You even have comp plan policies

1250
00:46:37,763 --> 00:46:38,965
that discourage residential in

1251
00:46:38,965 --> 00:46:40,433
the coastal high hazard area.

1252
00:46:40,433 --> 00:46:43,336
You have two provisions that I

1253
00:46:43,336 --> 00:46:45,972
have cited here that flexes,

1254
00:46:45,972 --> 00:46:46,973
using the flex provision to

1255
00:46:46,973 --> 00:46:47,740
increased density is not

1256
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:50,740
permitted in the coastal high

1257
00:46:50,777 --> 00:46:52,779
hazard and you also have density

1258
00:46:52,779 --> 00:46:54,714
bonuses that are prohibited in

1259
00:46:54,714 --> 00:46:56,849
the coastal high hazard.

1260
00:46:56,849 --> 00:46:58,551
So we know -- you have heard why

1261
00:46:58,551 --> 00:47:00,419
we believe that the residential

1262
00:47:00,419 --> 00:47:01,420
is no larger appropriate for

1263
00:47:01,420 --> 00:47:03,420
this site.

1264
00:47:03,790 --> 00:47:04,991
But why is the site appropriate

1265
00:47:04,991 --> 00:47:06,192
for light industrial?

1266
00:47:06,192 --> 00:47:07,860
Well, there's three reasons.

1267
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:09,929
The first reason is there's

1268
00:47:09,929 --> 00:47:11,564
already a mix of industrial uses

1269
00:47:11,564 --> 00:47:13,533
in the surrounding area.

1270
00:47:13,533 --> 00:47:15,702
I have walked you through.

1271
00:47:15,702 --> 00:47:17,137
There's mini warehouses, heavy

1272
00:47:17,137 --> 00:47:19,537
commercial, a paver company,

1273
00:47:20,206 --> 00:47:21,740
auto sales north and south of

1274
00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:23,740
hillsborough avenue.

1275
00:47:23,810 --> 00:47:27,410
You also have a mix of

1276
00:47:27,414 --> 00:47:28,480
industrial, light and heavy

1277
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:28,949
commercial F.L.U. Categories in

1278
00:47:28,949 --> 00:47:30,717
the surrounding area.

1279
00:47:30,717 --> 00:47:31,818
And that's the second reason

1280
00:47:31,818 --> 00:47:34,320
that we believe that the light

1281
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,220
industrial was appropriate.

1282
00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:39,220
You have substantial amounts of

1283
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:39,226
the li, just 1,000 feet from the

1284
00:47:39,226 --> 00:47:41,226
site.

1285
00:47:42,629 --> 00:47:45,629
You have oc-20, umu-20, cmu-12.

1286
00:47:45,899 --> 00:47:46,699
All of these are mixed

1287
00:47:46,699 --> 00:47:48,802
interspersed in very close

1288
00:47:48,802 --> 00:47:51,103
proximity to this site.

1289
00:47:51,103 --> 00:47:53,173
And the third reason that we

1290
00:47:53,173 --> 00:47:55,542
believe that the site is

1291
00:47:55,542 --> 00:47:57,511
appropriate for li-p is because

1292
00:47:57,511 --> 00:48:00,213
of the stated intent in the comp

1293
00:48:00,213 --> 00:48:02,820
plan for the li-p category.

1294
00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:05,682
It's supposed to be in areas

1295
00:48:07,921 --> 00:48:08,221
located outside of concentrated

1296
00:48:08,221 --> 00:48:09,256
industrial.

1297
00:48:09,256 --> 00:48:11,391
But where the need for a site

1298
00:48:11,391 --> 00:48:13,600
plan would benefit and ensure

1299
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,600
land use compatibility.

1300
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:17,970
So I know that you said in your

1301
00:48:17,970 --> 00:48:17,965
introductory remarks,

1302
00:48:17,965 --> 00:48:20,734
MR. CHAIRMAN, that you can't

1303
00:48:20,734 --> 00:48:22,336
consider the pd, but this is

1304
00:48:22,336 --> 00:48:24,538
different because in li-p the pd

1305
00:48:24,538 --> 00:48:26,573
is required by the comp plan.

1306
00:48:26,573 --> 00:48:28,800
So I know you MAY not know the

1307
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,977
specifics of it, but I think

1308
00:48:29,977 --> 00:48:31,612
they are upon because this is

1309
00:48:31,612 --> 00:48:33,470
what shows how you can have

1310
00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:34,715
light industrial on the site and

1311
00:48:34,715 --> 00:48:37,715
still be compatible with the

1312
00:48:39,152 --> 00:48:41,210
adjacent residential area.

1313
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:42,323
So we have a companion pd that's

1314
00:48:42,323 --> 00:48:42,590
traveling with this comp plan

1315
00:48:42,590 --> 00:48:44,590
amendment.

1316
00:48:45,292 --> 00:48:46,600
It's going to be heard by the

1317
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,600
zhm in JUNE.

1318
00:48:50,664 --> 00:48:53,664
We have substantial setbacks in

1319
00:48:54,435 --> 00:48:56,435
that pd.

1320
00:48:56,937 --> 00:49:00,508
We have over 100 feet on three

1321
00:49:00,508 --> 00:49:00,740
sides and on the west side are

1322
00:49:00,740 --> 00:49:02,900
50 feet.

1323
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:02,410
We have buffer areas by the land

1324
00:49:02,410 --> 00:49:04,410
development code.

1325
00:49:04,645 --> 00:49:05,813
In those buffer areas, we have a

1326
00:49:05,813 --> 00:49:09,413
buffer wall on three sides of

1327
00:49:10,685 --> 00:49:12,419
the site.

1328
00:49:12,419 --> 00:49:13,620
We have landscaping trees and

1329
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:15,590
shrubbery and we have a

1330
00:49:15,590 --> 00:49:16,891
retention pond that also forms

1331
00:49:16,891 --> 00:49:17,910
somewhat of a buffer in that

1332
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:19,910
area.

1333
00:49:19,293 --> 00:49:20,228
Don't forget, too, there's other

1334
00:49:20,228 --> 00:49:22,228
compatibility considerations

1335
00:49:22,363 --> 00:49:24,332
that we'd like you to consider.

1336
00:49:24,332 --> 00:49:26,000
And one of those is the ldc

1337
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,402
requirement for performance

1338
00:49:27,402 --> 00:49:29,402
standards for manufacturing.

1339
00:49:30,805 --> 00:49:32,206
So there are standards to ensure

1340
00:49:32,206 --> 00:49:33,408
that manufacturing operates and

1341
00:49:33,408 --> 00:49:35,610
doesn't have impacts necessarily

1342
00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:38,610
on adjacent uses dealing with

1343
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:39,880
lighting, sound, vibration and

1344
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,810
airborne discharges.

1345
00:49:41,810 --> 00:49:43,481
Another interesting point about

1346
00:49:43,918 --> 00:49:46,421
this comp plan amendment and our

1347
00:49:46,421 --> 00:49:48,490
companion pd is it terms

1348
00:49:48,490 --> 00:49:49,290
turns out our

1349
00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:51,493
traffic analysis shows -- we

1350
00:49:51,493 --> 00:49:52,427
submit add traffic analysis with

1351
00:49:52,427 --> 00:49:54,827
this comp plan amendment.

1352
00:49:55,630 --> 00:49:56,765
It showed the proposed F.L.U.

1353
00:49:56,765 --> 00:49:58,700
Actually generates fewer, 1600

1354
00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:01,690
fewer daily trips than the

1355
00:50:01,690 --> 00:50:03,805
adopted comp plan policies -- or

1356
00:50:03,805 --> 00:50:05,674
adopted comp plan categories.

1357
00:50:05,674 --> 00:50:07,876
So we think that's an important

1358
00:50:07,876 --> 00:50:08,843
issue as far as compatibility

1359
00:50:08,843 --> 00:50:10,378
concerns because it's going to

1360
00:50:10,378 --> 00:50:12,413
have -- what we are proposing is

1361
00:50:12,413 --> 00:50:13,315
going to have fewer impacts on

1362
00:50:13,315 --> 00:50:14,683
the adjacent residential than

1363
00:50:14,683 --> 00:50:16,718
what the existing F.L.U.

1364
00:50:16,718 --> 00:50:18,718
Category has.

1365
00:50:19,354 --> 00:50:21,256
A couple more points dealing

1366
00:50:21,256 --> 00:50:24,256
with compatibility is that we

1367
00:50:24,759 --> 00:50:26,695
are proposing lesser amounts of

1368
00:50:26,695 --> 00:50:28,662
square footage than what the

1369
00:50:28,662 --> 00:50:30,499
current F.L.U. Categories allow.

1370
00:50:30,499 --> 00:50:33,499
Together, the oc-20 and the

1371
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,871
res-6 allow a total of 115,000

1372
00:50:35,871 --> 00:50:38,271
square feet of commercial.

1373
00:50:38,407 --> 00:50:40,807
We are proposing only 106,000

1374
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:43,979
square feet of light industrial.

1375
00:50:43,979 --> 00:50:45,948
So that's a.365, about half of

1376
00:50:45,948 --> 00:50:46,481
what the comp plan category

1377
00:50:46,481 --> 00:50:47,449
allows.

1378
00:50:47,449 --> 00:50:49,551
Lastly we'd like you to consider

1379
00:50:49,551 --> 00:50:49,784
the fact that the uses are very

1380
00:50:49,784 --> 00:50:50,886
limited.

1381
00:50:50,886 --> 00:50:51,954
This isn't just any light

1382
00:50:51,954 --> 00:50:53,155
industrial use.

1383
00:50:53,155 --> 00:50:54,289
It's only warehouse, wholesale

1384
00:50:54,289 --> 00:50:55,457
or manufacturing.

1385
00:50:55,457 --> 00:50:56,991
Just those three.

1386
00:50:56,991 --> 00:50:58,326
And then temporary storage of

1387
00:50:58,326 --> 00:51:00,326
the bulk goods.

1388
00:51:00,596 --> 00:51:02,398
As you have heard, it's in the

1389
00:51:02,398 --> 00:51:03,232
town 'n' country community plan

1390
00:51:03,232 --> 00:51:04,966
area.

1391
00:51:04,966 --> 00:51:06,735
However, there's nothing in that

1392
00:51:06,735 --> 00:51:09,735
plan that's applicable to this.

1393
00:51:09,805 --> 00:51:12,805
And lastly, you heard no

1394
00:51:13,408 --> 00:51:14,176
reviewing agencies have any

1395
00:51:14,176 --> 00:51:15,945
objections.

1396
00:51:15,945 --> 00:51:17,446
Again, the res-6 is not

1397
00:51:17,446 --> 00:51:19,846
appropriate at this location.

1398
00:51:20,820 --> 00:51:20,382
Our site just can't accommodate

1399
00:51:20,382 --> 00:51:22,382
residential.

1400
00:51:23,686 --> 00:51:25,654
The comp plan amendment to li-p

1401
00:51:25,654 --> 00:51:28,540
is consistent with existing

1402
00:51:28,591 --> 00:51:30,991
commercial uses and industrial

1403
00:51:32,528 --> 00:51:34,396
uses and is consistent with

1404
00:51:34,396 --> 00:51:35,931
existing commercial and

1405
00:51:35,931 --> 00:51:38,931
industrial F.L.U. Categories.

1406
00:51:39,301 --> 00:51:40,502
So we think our pd complements

1407
00:51:40,502 --> 00:51:43,172
all that and provides the

1408
00:51:43,172 --> 00:51:43,873
compatibility that the staff is

1409
00:51:43,873 --> 00:51:45,873
rightfully looking for.

1410
00:51:46,509 --> 00:51:49,110
So with that, we would ask that

1411
00:51:49,110 --> 00:51:50,212
you recommend that this plan

1412
00:51:50,212 --> 00:51:52,515
amendment be found consistent

1413
00:51:52,515 --> 00:51:54,915
with the comprehensive plan.

1414
00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:57,186
>> nigel joseph: thank you.

1415
00:51:57,186 --> 00:51:59,880
We didn't have anyone sign up in

1416
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,900
the public comment for this one.

1417
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:02,291
I will turn it over to the

1418
00:52:02,291 --> 00:52:04,291
commissioners for questions,

1419
00:52:08,631 --> 00:52:08,813
comments, discussions on this

1420
00:52:08,813 --> 00:52:10,800
one.

1421
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,330
Commissioner louk, I see you

1422
00:52:11,330 --> 00:52:13,330
moving.

1423
00:52:13,202 --> 00:52:14,203
>> I think I heard it in the

1424
00:52:14,203 --> 00:52:15,838
applicant's presentation.

1425
00:52:15,838 --> 00:52:17,730
What would be the linear footage

1426
00:52:17,730 --> 00:52:18,675
of the nearest residential

1427
00:52:18,675 --> 00:52:19,642
property line?

1428
00:52:19,642 --> 00:52:22,642
Not dwelling but the atual

1429
00:52:22,945 --> 00:52:24,313
property line.

1430
00:52:24,313 --> 00:52:25,481
From the light industrial, if we

1431
00:52:25,481 --> 00:52:26,882
were to go to light industrial.

1432
00:52:26,882 --> 00:52:29,850
I guess it doesn't matter,

1433
00:52:29,850 --> 00:52:29,352
parcel to parcel, what's the --

1434
00:52:29,352 --> 00:52:31,352
>> yeah.

1435
00:52:32,488 --> 00:52:32,655
On the west -- I want to show

1436
00:52:32,655 --> 00:52:34,557
you.

1437
00:52:34,557 --> 00:52:37,426
On the west side of the site --

1438
00:52:37,426 --> 00:52:38,294
>> you have the --

1439
00:52:38,294 --> 00:52:39,896
>> there's a building.

1440
00:52:39,896 --> 00:52:42,296
There's a 30-foot buffer.

1441
00:52:42,399 --> 00:52:42,632
There's a 20-foot drainage

1442
00:52:42,632 --> 00:52:44,632
parcel.

1443
00:52:45,350 --> 00:52:46,569
And then there's the property

1444
00:52:46,569 --> 00:52:48,538
line to the residential on the

1445
00:52:48,538 --> 00:52:49,305
west of that, to the west of

1446
00:52:49,305 --> 00:52:51,305
that.

1447
00:52:51,374 --> 00:52:52,442
Which is farther away from the

1448
00:52:52,442 --> 00:52:55,442
existing industrial that you see

1449
00:52:59,583 --> 00:53:00,450
in the south.

1450
00:53:00,450 --> 00:53:01,117
Pardon?

1451
00:53:01,117 --> 00:53:03,117
about 50.

1452
00:53:03,253 --> 00:53:04,320
>> from the property line,

1453
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:04,654
there's 20 feet --

1454
00:53:04,654 --> 00:53:05,889
>> correct.

1455
00:53:05,889 --> 00:53:09,126
>> to the property line to the

1456
00:53:09,126 --> 00:53:09,426
other property line.

1457
00:53:09,426 --> 00:53:11,426
>> right.

1458
00:53:11,627 --> 00:53:13,163
>> coastal high hazard, user

1459
00:53:13,163 --> 00:53:14,898
error, looking through and

1460
00:53:14,898 --> 00:53:15,599
thumbing through the report,

1461
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,599
what percentage of the property

1462
00:53:18,935 --> 00:53:19,569
is in the chha, if any?

1463
00:53:19,569 --> 00:53:23,169
>> nigel joseph: a lot of it.

1464
00:53:23,206 --> 00:53:23,440
>> I would say it's a pretty

1465
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,874
good --

1466
00:53:24,874 --> 00:53:27,874
>> so question for staff, given

1467
00:53:28,345 --> 00:53:29,613
the majority of this is in

1468
00:53:29,613 --> 00:53:32,316
there, if we were saying no to

1469
00:53:32,316 --> 00:53:33,550
light industrial, we have a

1470
00:53:33,550 --> 00:53:34,852
residential use on a portion of

1471
00:53:34,852 --> 00:53:36,353
the property today, if you could

1472
00:53:36,353 --> 00:53:39,953
wave your magic wand, what would

1473
00:53:41,959 --> 00:53:43,393
be the appropriate use for this

1474
00:53:43,393 --> 00:53:45,393
property?

1475
00:53:45,796 --> 00:53:47,297
If it's not res-6 or light

1476
00:53:47,297 --> 00:53:48,632
industrial, res-6 would be a

1477
00:53:48,632 --> 00:53:50,234
tough pill given the chha.

1478
00:53:50,234 --> 00:53:52,669
What would staff recommend if

1479
00:53:52,669 --> 00:53:56,269
you could wave a magic wand?

1480
00:54:04,682 --> 00:54:06,116
>> that is a good question.

1481
00:54:06,116 --> 00:54:07,510
Probably something lesser

1482
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:07,518
intense than the light

1483
00:54:07,518 --> 00:54:09,530
industrial planned.

1484
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:10,955
I think it would be better if it

1485
00:54:10,955 --> 00:54:11,956
was on the eastern side of

1486
00:54:11,956 --> 00:54:14,956
george road along with those

1487
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,729
other more intensive uses before

1488
00:54:18,729 --> 00:54:18,996
the subject site, something less

1489
00:54:18,996 --> 00:54:19,263
intensive.

1490
00:54:19,263 --> 00:54:21,263
>> yeah.

1491
00:54:22,166 --> 00:54:24,135
And I would just add to that,

1492
00:54:24,135 --> 00:54:26,535
the residential 6 category does

1493
00:54:27,872 --> 00:54:30,740
allow for them to -- it does not

1494
00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:32,577
require them to build it for

1495
00:54:32,577 --> 00:54:34,577
residential uses.

1496
00:54:34,744 --> 00:54:36,847
They could build office or

1497
00:54:36,847 --> 00:54:37,381
commercial uses under the

1498
00:54:37,381 --> 00:54:39,381
residential 6.

1499
00:54:42,453 --> 00:54:45,453
Those are allowed to be

1500
00:54:45,823 --> 00:54:47,358
considered so unfortunately, we

1501
00:54:47,358 --> 00:54:50,461
don't have a land use category

1502
00:54:50,461 --> 00:54:53,461
that does not have residential

1503
00:54:57,969 --> 00:55:00,705
allowance that is not light

1504
00:55:00,705 --> 00:55:01,672
industrial.

1505
00:55:01,672 --> 00:55:04,720
That makes it hard.

1506
00:55:04,842 --> 00:55:07,178
All the land use categories

1507
00:55:07,178 --> 00:55:07,478
allow residential and office and

1508
00:55:07,478 --> 00:55:08,780
commercial.

1509
00:55:08,780 --> 00:55:11,315
>> I'll say the applicant did

1510
00:55:11,315 --> 00:55:13,117
say something interesting where

1511
00:55:13,117 --> 00:55:14,853
this so closely ties to the pd

1512
00:55:14,853 --> 00:55:15,530
when it's the light industrial

1513
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:16,254
case.

1514
00:55:16,254 --> 00:55:17,355
When you look at what's allowed

1515
00:55:17,355 --> 00:55:19,858
under light industrial which is

1516
00:55:19,858 --> 00:55:20,959
like warehouse, distribution

1517
00:55:20,959 --> 00:55:22,959
interests, contractor yards,

1518
00:55:23,895 --> 00:55:25,864
cabinet makers, auto repair,

1519
00:55:25,864 --> 00:55:26,631
hvac, light printing, light

1520
00:55:26,631 --> 00:55:27,131
manufacturing assembly, the

1521
00:55:27,131 --> 00:55:29,131
definitely

1522
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,668
devil is in the details of what

1523
00:55:30,668 --> 00:55:31,436
could potentially go there with

1524
00:55:31,436 --> 00:55:33,436
the concurrent pd.

1525
00:55:33,938 --> 00:55:37,342
I know we can't consider that.

1526
00:55:37,342 --> 00:55:39,109
So I mean I don't have a point

1527
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:41,813
there other than I'm is

1528
00:55:41,813 --> 00:55:43,581
I'm not sure

1529
00:55:43,581 --> 00:55:47,181
what the right long-term use is

1530
00:55:47,752 --> 00:55:48,753
to it given the residential use.

1531
00:55:48,753 --> 00:55:49,721
Those are thoughts.

1532
00:55:49,721 --> 00:55:51,560
>> nigel joseph: good thoughts,

1533
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,560
commissioner bowden.

1534
00:55:53,859 --> 00:55:56,859
>> look, my primary concern is

1535
00:55:58,229 --> 00:55:58,530
the property actually abuts to

1536
00:55:58,530 --> 00:56:00,530
residential.

1537
00:56:00,832 --> 00:56:02,660
So, you know, when you

1538
00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:03,267
consider -- I mean it is close

1539
00:56:03,267 --> 00:56:04,903
to the aircraft,

1540
00:56:04,903 --> 00:56:06,171
airport, yes.

1541
00:56:06,171 --> 00:56:08,306
So there's a certain amount of

1542
00:56:08,306 --> 00:56:10,808
noise that you're going to get.

1543
00:56:10,808 --> 00:56:14,408
But it's not in the airport's

1544
00:56:14,913 --> 00:56:16,913
flight path.

1545
00:56:17,616 --> 00:56:18,817
So I'm just thinking about

1546
00:56:18,817 --> 00:56:21,253
industrial and the potential for

1547
00:56:21,253 --> 00:56:21,854
the noise.

1548
00:56:21,854 --> 00:56:23,788
>> nigel joseph: I will also

1549
00:56:23,788 --> 00:56:25,123
just throw in a disclaimer here

1550
00:56:25,123 --> 00:56:26,458
if we're going to go against

1551
00:56:26,458 --> 00:56:26,692
staff, we're going to need some

1552
00:56:26,692 --> 00:56:27,626
policy.

1553
00:56:27,626 --> 00:56:27,860
Definitely be thinking about

1554
00:56:27,860 --> 00:56:29,827
those.

1555
00:56:29,827 --> 00:56:30,295
Let the conversation continue.

1556
00:56:30,295 --> 00:56:31,830
Commissioner louk.

1557
00:56:31,830 --> 00:56:33,699
>> I think the biggest thing I'm

1558
00:56:33,699 --> 00:56:35,434
chewing on here in terms of

1559
00:56:35,434 --> 00:56:36,902
consistency or inconsistency,

1560
00:56:36,902 --> 00:56:38,269
I'll be willing to bet my bottom

1561
00:56:38,269 --> 00:56:39,571
dollar if we were to come in

1562
00:56:39,571 --> 00:56:40,873
here with the expansion of the

1563
00:56:40,873 --> 00:56:42,740
whole property going to res-6,

1564
00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:43,942
this probably would be

1565
00:56:43,942 --> 00:56:45,377
recommended as inconsistent

1566
00:56:45,377 --> 00:56:47,120
which is the root of my question

1567
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,347
in terms of like coming back to

1568
00:56:48,347 --> 00:56:50,490
staff saying what's the optimal

1569
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:51,417
long-term use for this property

1570
00:56:51,417 --> 00:56:52,718
if it's not res-6.

1571
00:56:52,718 --> 00:56:54,186
If there's some sort of

1572
00:56:54,186 --> 00:56:55,287
development going to come in,

1573
00:56:55,287 --> 00:56:57,323
planned development with a bunch

1574
00:56:57,323 --> 00:56:59,258
of residential, there's no way

1575
00:56:59,258 --> 00:57:01,658
it's going recommended for

1576
00:57:01,994 --> 00:57:02,995
approval being in the coastal

1577
00:57:02,995 --> 00:57:03,929
high hazard.

1578
00:57:03,929 --> 00:57:05,398
>> nigel joseph: I will say for

1579
00:57:05,398 --> 00:57:06,932
my part in my review meeting, I

1580
00:57:06,932 --> 00:57:07,166
brought up a lot of these

1581
00:57:07,166 --> 00:57:09,101
points.

1582
00:57:09,101 --> 00:57:11,203
For me, we're not allowed to

1583
00:57:11,203 --> 00:57:12,405
consider the zoning, but I

1584
00:57:12,405 --> 00:57:15,907
always raise the point that the

1585
00:57:15,907 --> 00:57:16,609
land use category light

1586
00:57:16,609 --> 00:57:18,544
industrial planned means that

1587
00:57:18,544 --> 00:57:20,213
there's a pd process that's

1588
00:57:20,213 --> 00:57:20,413
going to go on at some point in

1589
00:57:20,413 --> 00:57:21,470
time.

1590
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:22,648
I don't know what's going to

1591
00:57:22,648 --> 00:57:24,217
come of that pd process, but I

1592
00:57:24,217 --> 00:57:25,785
do know that's another bite at

1593
00:57:25,785 --> 00:57:27,153
the apple, not only for this

1594
00:57:27,153 --> 00:57:28,921
agency staff, which is a part of

1595
00:57:28,921 --> 00:57:30,756
the zoning process to make sure

1596
00:57:30,756 --> 00:57:32,558
that things like setbacks and

1597
00:57:32,558 --> 00:57:34,160
buffers and screening get done.

1598
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,129
But also for other departments.

1599
00:57:36,129 --> 00:57:38,765
So for me, whenever I see the

1600
00:57:38,765 --> 00:57:39,966
li-p come up, I'm almost in

1601
00:57:39,966 --> 00:57:42,670
automatic yeah, let it go

1602
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:44,269
through because, again, at some

1603
00:57:44,269 --> 00:57:46,573
future point irrespective of all

1604
00:57:46,573 --> 00:57:48,341
of these things that can happen

1605
00:57:48,341 --> 00:57:49,409
that staff is forced to bring

1606
00:57:49,409 --> 00:57:50,709
forward, you know, that second

1607
00:57:50,709 --> 00:57:52,378
bite at the apple there is an

1608
00:57:52,378 --> 00:57:54,447
important check on whatever

1609
00:57:54,447 --> 00:57:54,647
development is going to happen

1610
00:57:54,647 --> 00:57:56,282
there.

1611
00:57:56,282 --> 00:57:57,717
So the applicant also brings up

1612
00:57:57,717 --> 00:57:58,718
a lot of great points.

1613
00:57:58,718 --> 00:58:00,453
Commissioner louk brings up a

1614
00:58:00,453 --> 00:58:02,755
lot of great points.

1615
00:58:02,755 --> 00:58:04,557
It's strange that tonight we're

1616
00:58:04,557 --> 00:58:06,590
putting residential stuff in the

1617
00:58:06,590 --> 00:58:07,930
coastal high hazard, all of a

1618
00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:07,694
sudden, instead of trying to

1619
00:58:07,694 --> 00:58:09,694
take it out.

1620
00:58:09,863 --> 00:58:12,298
But I guess since it isn't close

1621
00:58:12,298 --> 00:58:14,601
to Macdill it doesn't matter.

1622
00:58:14,601 --> 00:58:15,534
But again, this all goes back to

1623
00:58:15,534 --> 00:58:19,134
the points that I have spoken

1624
00:58:19,573 --> 00:58:21,675
about for quite a while now.

1625
00:58:21,675 --> 00:58:23,109
And I have said it down tracy

1626
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:24,210
and melissa but I'm going to be

1627
00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:26,460
picking it back up.

1628
00:58:26,460 --> 00:58:27,781
Be ready because it's coming.

1629
00:58:27,781 --> 00:58:29,649
But this idea of staff giving

1630
00:58:29,649 --> 00:58:31,649
these recommendations that

1631
00:58:31,651 --> 00:58:33,720
aren't kind of very broad and

1632
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,120
narrowly focusing on certain

1633
00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:37,790
things puts staff in an awkward

1634
00:58:37,790 --> 00:58:39,426
position, you know.

1635
00:58:39,426 --> 00:58:41,261
MS. Myers, you have done a great

1636
00:58:41,261 --> 00:58:41,561
job, great presentation, great

1637
00:58:41,561 --> 00:58:43,196
application.

1638
00:58:43,196 --> 00:58:45,933
But again, the way this agency

1639
00:58:45,933 --> 00:58:47,801
is set up with its systems puts

1640
00:58:47,801 --> 00:58:49,468
staff in weird positions.

1641
00:58:49,468 --> 00:58:52,706
And, you know, I don't think

1642
00:58:52,706 --> 00:58:54,740
it's the best thing, but, you

1643
00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:56,430
know -- and I'll just leave that

1644
00:58:56,430 --> 00:58:57,143
alone and bring it up at some

1645
00:58:57,143 --> 00:58:59,543
future point in time.

1646
00:58:59,646 --> 00:59:00,914
But yeah, I would be willing to

1647
00:59:00,914 --> 00:59:02,449
support the li-p going in there.

1648
00:59:02,449 --> 00:59:04,510
I'm not going to pass the gavel

1649
00:59:04,510 --> 00:59:06,520
and make a motion, but even in

1650
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,255
my briefing, my sense was this

1651
00:59:08,255 --> 00:59:11,855
needed to go there, you know.

1652
00:59:11,858 --> 00:59:13,192
So it's my 2 cents on this.

1653
00:59:13,192 --> 00:59:13,460
Commissioner kugler.

1654
00:59:13,460 --> 00:59:14,894
>> yes.

1655
00:59:14,894 --> 00:59:17,398
One point about it sitting on

1656
00:59:17,398 --> 00:59:19,320
the market for so long as a

1657
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:20,167
residential in these times in

1658
00:59:20,167 --> 00:59:21,635
tampa is a good point.

1659
00:59:21,635 --> 00:59:23,937
I don't know what language to

1660
00:59:23,937 --> 00:59:25,472
use to bring it.

1661
00:59:25,472 --> 00:59:28,809
As you mentioned, we have to

1662
00:59:28,809 --> 00:59:30,678
come up with codes and

1663
00:59:30,678 --> 00:59:31,412
objectives in order to go

1664
00:59:31,412 --> 00:59:33,247
against staff recommendation.

1665
00:59:33,247 --> 00:59:37,447
I don't know how to say that.

1666
00:59:37,550 --> 00:59:39,853
But it does seem that it is an

1667
00:59:39,853 --> 00:59:40,521
appropriate use next to the

1668
00:59:40,521 --> 00:59:42,156
airport for sure.

1669
00:59:42,156 --> 00:59:45,156
And there's a tremendous amount

1670
00:59:46,127 --> 00:59:48,628
of industrial land very close,

1671
00:59:48,628 --> 00:59:50,300
almost as close as the housing.

1672
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:52,533
So I don't know what language to

1673
00:59:52,533 --> 00:59:54,735
use for that, but maybe somebody

1674
00:59:54,735 --> 00:59:58,335
with a lot more experience with

1675
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:00,641
the code would help.

1676
01:00:00,641 --> 01:00:01,943
>> nigel joseph: the applicant

1677
01:00:01,943 --> 01:00:02,944
looks like she MAY have some

1678
01:00:02,944 --> 01:00:03,678
suggestions.

1679
01:00:03,678 --> 01:00:04,912
Usually MS. Zornitta comes up

1680
01:00:04,912 --> 01:00:05,880
with some sggestions for us if

1681
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,482
they are needed.

1682
01:00:07,482 --> 01:00:10,584
>> I don't want to jump the gun,

1683
01:00:10,584 --> 01:00:13,200
but I did cite some comp plan

1684
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,420
policies that deal with

1685
01:00:15,423 --> 01:00:16,991
protecting the airport and the

1686
01:00:16,991 --> 01:00:17,492
coastal high hazard area.

1687
01:00:17,492 --> 01:00:18,526
>> nigel joseph: okay.

1688
01:00:18,526 --> 01:00:20,926
Commissioner cona has them.

1689
01:00:28,202 --> 01:00:28,836
>> right there.

1690
01:00:28,836 --> 01:00:31,236
>> nigel joseph: MS. Zornitta.

1691
01:00:31,606 --> 01:00:33,700
>> related to the airport

1692
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:34,442
policies, it is geared toward

1693
01:00:34,442 --> 01:00:35,443
the airport flight path which

1694
01:00:35,443 --> 01:00:37,712
this is outside of.

1695
01:00:37,712 --> 01:00:40,381
I just would caution about using

1696
01:00:40,381 --> 01:00:41,249
those because this is not within

1697
01:00:41,249 --> 01:00:43,249
the airport zone.

1698
01:00:43,418 --> 01:00:44,752
And I mean we would absolutely

1699
01:00:44,752 --> 01:00:46,488
not be supportive -- we do not

1700
01:00:46,488 --> 01:00:48,423
put residential in the airport

1701
01:00:48,423 --> 01:00:51,526
flight path, so I just want to

1702
01:00:51,526 --> 01:00:51,726
be clear about that.

1703
01:00:51,726 --> 01:00:52,827
Okay.

1704
01:00:52,827 --> 01:00:54,295
>> even though it's not in the

1705
01:00:54,295 --> 01:00:56,364
flight path, it still is

1706
01:00:56,364 --> 01:00:56,630
affected by the noise and the

1707
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:57,665
vibration.

1708
01:00:57,665 --> 01:00:58,867
>> nigel joseph: all right.

1709
01:00:58,867 --> 01:01:02,870
Are there any other -- I can't

1710
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:03,104
see your mic there, commissioner commissioner

1711
01:01:03,104 --> 01:01:04,639
jemison.

1712
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:06,274
You're hiding out back there.

1713
01:01:06,274 --> 01:01:07,708
Any other comments or thoughts

1714
01:01:07,708 --> 01:01:08,909
or questions from the

1715
01:01:08,909 --> 01:01:11,309
commissioners on this one?

1716
01:01:12,814 --> 01:01:17,140
It's not an easy one, I know.

1717
01:01:32,901 --> 01:01:33,902
Are they going to be flooding

1718
01:01:33,902 --> 01:01:34,703
into the single-family homes on

1719
01:01:34,703 --> 01:01:35,804
the west side?

1720
01:01:35,804 --> 01:01:36,872
I don't know the answer to that

1721
01:01:36,872 --> 01:01:38,973
question if they have to be

1722
01:01:38,973 --> 01:01:42,573
built that high, because I was

1723
01:01:43,450 --> 01:01:44,213
trying to find part of the code

1724
01:01:44,213 --> 01:01:47,213
for hillsborough county, and all

1725
01:01:48,217 --> 01:01:49,284
I could find was that all

1726
01:01:49,284 --> 01:01:51,684
properties located within the

1727
01:01:52,154 --> 01:01:53,789
special flood hazard area shall

1728
01:01:53,789 --> 01:01:54,623
have full compliance of the

1729
01:01:54,623 --> 01:01:56,623
hillsborough construction code,

1730
01:01:57,226 --> 01:02:00,826
and then it lists asce24 and

1731
01:02:01,396 --> 01:02:02,331
that is a list of codes that say

1732
01:02:02,331 --> 01:02:04,333
these different areas have to

1733
01:02:04,333 --> 01:02:04,867
build one foot above base flood

1734
01:02:04,867 --> 01:02:06,867
elevation.

1735
01:02:06,969 --> 01:02:09,138
So if that's the case, do they

1736
01:02:09,138 --> 01:02:12,740
need to build at 15 feet?

1737
01:02:12,740 --> 01:02:12,908
And if that's so, are they going

1738
01:02:12,908 --> 01:02:15,908
to be flooding into the

1739
01:02:19,215 --> 01:02:20,416
neighbors?

1740
01:02:20,416 --> 01:02:22,951
>> applicant looks like she was

1741
01:02:22,951 --> 01:02:24,860
nodding her head, so I will let

1742
01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:24,520
her opine on that.

1743
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,288
>> if

1744
01:02:26,288 --> 01:02:27,690
for the record, gina grimes.

1745
01:02:27,690 --> 01:02:29,692
When you are building in areas

1746
01:02:29,692 --> 01:02:30,693
like that and you have that

1747
01:02:30,693 --> 01:02:31,192
elevation requirement, there are

1748
01:02:31,192 --> 01:02:32,940
different standards for

1749
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:34,940
commercial and residential.

1750
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:36,665
there are ways in which with

1751
01:02:36,665 --> 01:02:39,650
commercial uses or industrial

1752
01:02:39,301 --> 01:02:42,171
uses, that you can flood proof

1753
01:02:42,171 --> 01:02:43,272
buildings to a higher height.

1754
01:02:43,272 --> 01:02:45,441
It essentially achieves that

1755
01:02:45,441 --> 01:02:47,760
higher height where residential,

1756
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:48,510
they're much more stringent

1757
01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:49,712
because of the threat to, you

1758
01:02:49,712 --> 01:02:51,712
know, life.

1759
01:02:52,148 --> 01:02:53,983
And so they make you elevate to

1760
01:02:53,983 --> 01:02:54,450
those higher, to those higher

1761
01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:56,450
standards.

1762
01:02:59,210 --> 01:03:02,625
So in this case, no fill is, you

1763
01:03:02,625 --> 01:03:04,360
can't put the fill in certain

1764
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,695
areas that have those floods

1765
01:03:05,695 --> 01:03:07,630
zone requirements.

1766
01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:07,997
And all the retingz is going to

1767
01:03:07,997 --> 01:03:09,632
be held on site.

1768
01:03:09,632 --> 01:03:11,501
There are two very large

1769
01:03:11,501 --> 01:03:12,568
retention ponds that are going

1770
01:03:12,568 --> 01:03:14,904
to be on site.

1771
01:03:14,904 --> 01:03:16,339
So it should have no impact to

1772
01:03:16,339 --> 01:03:18,410
the adjacent residential, not to

1773
01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:20,909
mention there is a one-acre

1774
01:03:20,909 --> 01:03:23,412
retention pond to the north of

1775
01:03:23,412 --> 01:03:25,281
the site as well as a drainage

1776
01:03:25,281 --> 01:03:25,714
easement on the rear of the site

1777
01:03:25,714 --> 01:03:26,249
already.

1778
01:03:26,249 --> 01:03:28,249
>> andrew ross: thank

1779
01:03:29,853 --> 01:03:30,386
>> thank you, MS. Grimes.

1780
01:03:30,386 --> 01:03:31,988
Commissioner.

1781
01:03:31,988 --> 01:03:32,822
>> just to note, I think in this

1782
01:03:32,822 --> 01:03:34,724
area if I remember correctly

1783
01:03:34,724 --> 01:03:37,193
base flood elevation is 11 feet

1784
01:03:37,193 --> 01:03:38,994
so they probably won't have to

1785
01:03:38,994 --> 01:03:41,164
build up more than -- sorry.

1786
01:03:41,164 --> 01:03:42,732
>> I have the flood map from

1787
01:03:42,732 --> 01:03:46,350
fema up right now, and it says

1788
01:03:46,350 --> 01:03:46,503
14 feet.

1789
01:03:46,503 --> 01:03:47,203
>> okay.

1790
01:03:47,203 --> 01:03:49,472
Regardless of what it is, I

1791
01:03:49,472 --> 01:03:50,373
think you have to build a foot

1792
01:03:50,373 --> 01:03:52,542
over base flood elevation,

1793
01:03:52,542 --> 01:03:54,844
whatever that MAY be, and then

1794
01:03:54,844 --> 01:03:56,913
any, you know, civil engineer

1795
01:03:56,913 --> 01:03:59,215
worth their degree in civil

1796
01:03:59,215 --> 01:04:01,852
engineering would make sure a

1797
01:04:01,852 --> 01:04:03,854
site balance so that it wouldn't

1798
01:04:03,854 --> 01:04:05,589
be understooding -- flooding

1799
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:07,557
into the neighborhood to the

1800
01:04:07,557 --> 01:04:08,425
rear.

1801
01:04:08,425 --> 01:04:10,825
>> chair: while we've jumped

1802
01:04:11,193 --> 01:04:12,629
down allison's rabbit hole, I

1803
01:04:12,629 --> 01:04:13,897
will chime in.

1804
01:04:13,897 --> 01:04:14,830
Similar development on sligh and

1805
01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:17,801
veterans in this area, it where

1806
01:04:17,801 --> 01:04:18,802
four -- there are four or five

1807
01:04:18,802 --> 01:04:20,870
big warehouses developed and

1808
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:24,470
when we have heavy rains, sligh

1809
01:04:25,342 --> 01:04:26,810
floods now between benjamin and

1810
01:04:26,810 --> 01:04:28,679
anderson road at that point, so

1811
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:30,247
I'm going to support this, but I

1812
01:04:30,247 --> 01:04:32,215
would just call out in the pd

1813
01:04:32,215 --> 01:04:33,917
and the civil engineering needs

1814
01:04:33,917 --> 01:04:34,418
to be on point with that

1815
01:04:34,418 --> 01:04:35,452
residential.

1816
01:04:35,452 --> 01:04:37,870
I'm going to support consistency

1817
01:04:37,870 --> 01:04:38,655
I should say.

1818
01:04:38,655 --> 01:04:39,790
But the civil engineering review

1819
01:04:39,790 --> 01:04:41,240
and plan on this needs to be on

1820
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:42,250
point with those residential

1821
01:04:42,250 --> 01:04:43,694
properties.

1822
01:04:43,694 --> 01:04:44,995
To the west.

1823
01:04:44,995 --> 01:04:45,963
Just for those down the line who

1824
01:04:45,963 --> 01:04:48,432
get the second bite at the

1825
01:04:48,432 --> 01:04:50,301
apple.

1826
01:04:50,301 --> 01:04:52,690
>> chair: all right.

1827
01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:52,603
Are there any other thoughts?

1828
01:04:52,603 --> 01:04:53,700
Comments?

1829
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:55,700
Questions?

1830
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:01,178
Discussion items on this one?

1831
01:05:01,178 --> 01:05:02,460
Going once, going twice.

1832
01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:03,881
I'm going to close the public

1833
01:05:03,881 --> 01:05:04,415
comment on this one and open it

1834
01:05:04,415 --> 01:05:07,251
up to motions from the

1835
01:05:07,251 --> 01:05:07,785
commissioners on this item.

1836
01:05:07,785 --> 01:05:09,785
Commissioner.

1837
01:05:10,221 --> 01:05:11,880
>> motion to find hc/cpa 26-07

1838
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,880
consistent with the

1839
01:05:13,858 --> 01:05:16,593
comprehensive plan based on flu

1840
01:05:16,593 --> 01:05:18,795
policy 2.23 and cm policy

1841
01:05:18,795 --> 01:05:19,663
3.1.14.

1842
01:05:19,663 --> 01:05:20,798
>> second that.

1843
01:05:20,798 --> 01:05:24,680
>> chair: all right, a motion of

1844
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,680
consistency finding, citing

1845
01:05:26,404 --> 01:05:27,405
policy 2.23 and cm policy 3.1.14

1846
01:05:27,405 --> 01:05:28,390
and a second to that by

1847
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:30,700
commissioner cueingler.

1848
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:31,542
Are there any questions,

1849
01:05:31,542 --> 01:05:33,770
comments, or discussions from

1850
01:05:33,770 --> 01:05:36,770
the commissioners before we go

1851
01:05:36,581 --> 01:05:37,815
ahead and take our vote?

1852
01:05:37,815 --> 01:05:39,350
All signify they are agreement

1853
01:05:39,350 --> 01:05:40,985
by saying -- their agreement by

1854
01:05:40,985 --> 01:05:41,886
saying aye.

1855
01:05:41,886 --> 01:05:42,320
Those opposed?

1856
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,320
Bowden.

1857
01:05:44,955 --> 01:05:46,724
All right, so that's 7-1 ayes,

1858
01:05:46,724 --> 01:05:48,724
bowden no.

1859
01:05:50,794 --> 01:05:53,194
And the motion carries.

1860
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:55,630
All right.

1861
01:05:58,469 --> 01:06:00,104
Next up we have item 2b, hc/cpa

1862
01:06:00,104 --> 01:06:01,406
26-10 comprehensive plan map

1863
01:06:01,406 --> 01:06:03,608
amendment, southeast of kingsway

1864
01:06:03,608 --> 01:06:06,608
road and thonotosassa road and

1865
01:06:09,514 --> 01:06:11,914
presenter is lilyann linehan.

1866
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:13,151
>> good evening, commissioners,

1867
01:06:13,151 --> 01:06:15,151
lilyann linehan planning

1868
01:06:15,420 --> 01:06:17,622
commission staff here to present

1869
01:06:17,622 --> 01:06:19,591
c/cpa 26-10 located southeast

1870
01:06:19,591 --> 01:06:20,158
f kingsway road and

1871
01:06:20,158 --> 01:06:21,590
thonotosassa road.

1872
01:06:21,590 --> 01:06:22,593
This is a privately initiated

1873
01:06:22,593 --> 01:06:24,629
map amendment that is small in

1874
01:06:24,629 --> 01:06:25,130
scale and approximately

1875
01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:26,598
24.22 acres.

1876
01:06:26,598 --> 01:06:27,832
The applicant is requesting to

1877
01:06:27,832 --> 01:06:29,701
change the future land use

1878
01:06:29,701 --> 01:06:31,701
designation from

1879
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:34,300
agricultural-rural-1/5 and

1880
01:06:34,739 --> 01:06:36,739
residential 1 to residential-2.

1881
01:06:37,609 --> 01:06:38,410
This is the general location

1882
01:06:38,410 --> 01:06:40,450
map.

1883
01:06:40,450 --> 01:06:41,479
It in the rural area within the

1884
01:06:41,479 --> 01:06:42,247
limits of the thonotosassa

1885
01:06:42,247 --> 01:06:44,247
community plan.

1886
01:06:44,983 --> 01:06:47,850
It is located along lake thon

1887
01:06:47,850 --> 01:06:47,619
totosassa and north of east

1888
01:06:47,619 --> 01:06:48,886
kingsway road.

1889
01:06:48,886 --> 01:06:51,223
Here is an aerial of the site.

1890
01:06:51,223 --> 01:06:52,991
The site is outlined in pink.

1891
01:06:52,991 --> 01:06:53,458
And the site is currently

1892
01:06:53,458 --> 01:06:55,458
undeveloped

1893
01:06:55,593 --> 01:06:56,393
developed and is surrounded by

1894
01:06:56,393 --> 01:06:58,393
agricultural and single-family

1895
01:06:59,998 --> 01:07:01,632
land uses.

1896
01:07:01,632 --> 01:07:02,768
This is looking south of

1897
01:07:02,768 --> 01:07:05,168
thonotosassa road into the

1898
01:07:05,636 --> 01:07:07,636
subject site.

1899
01:07:14,179 --> 01:07:14,846
This is looking north from thon thon

1900
01:07:14,846 --> 01:07:16,348
tosatta road.

1901
01:07:16,348 --> 01:07:17,616
This is looking south from

1902
01:07:17,616 --> 01:07:18,817
thonotosassa road into the

1903
01:07:18,817 --> 01:07:20,351
adjacent eastern parcel and the

1904
01:07:20,351 --> 01:07:23,622
subject site is to the right of

1905
01:07:23,622 --> 01:07:25,622
this parcel.

1906
01:07:26,325 --> 01:07:27,759
Thus is also looking north from

1907
01:07:27,759 --> 01:07:28,126
thonotosassa into the adjacent

1908
01:07:28,126 --> 01:07:29,193
eastern parcel.

1909
01:07:29,193 --> 01:07:32,931
The subject site is to the left

1910
01:07:32,931 --> 01:07:34,700
of this parcel in this photo.

1911
01:07:34,700 --> 01:07:36,234
This is looking west down

1912
01:07:36,234 --> 01:07:36,769
thonotosassa road from the

1913
01:07:36,769 --> 01:07:37,536
subject site.

1914
01:07:37,536 --> 01:07:39,338
This

1915
01:07:39,338 --> 01:07:40,239
the site is behind the

1916
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:41,640
photographer and this is looking

1917
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:42,808
east down thonotosassa road from

1918
01:07:42,808 --> 01:07:45,778
the subject site and the site is

1919
01:07:45,778 --> 01:07:47,179
behind the photographer.

1920
01:07:47,179 --> 01:07:48,747
Currently the future land use

1921
01:07:48,747 --> 01:07:50,249
designation is

1922
01:07:50,249 --> 01:07:51,250
agricultural-rural-1/5 and

1923
01:07:51,250 --> 01:07:52,985
residential 1.

1924
01:07:52,985 --> 01:07:54,220
The agricultural-rural-1/5

1925
01:07:54,220 --> 01:07:56,288
category allows for one dwelling

1926
01:07:56,288 --> 01:07:58,524
unit per five gross acres and a

1927
01:07:58,524 --> 01:08:00,126
`maximum floor area ratio of.25.

1928
01:08:00,126 --> 01:08:01,460
This designation allows for the

1929
01:08:01,460 --> 01:08:02,794
consideration of farms, ranches,

1930
01:08:02,794 --> 01:08:04,960
feed lots, residential,

1931
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:05,564
neighborhood commercial,

1932
01:08:05,564 --> 01:08:07,660
offices, industrial uses related

1933
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:08,701
to agricultural uses, and mining

1934
01:08:08,701 --> 01:08:09,969
related activities.

1935
01:08:09,969 --> 01:08:11,704
The residential 1 category

1936
01:08:11,704 --> 01:08:13,105
allows for one dwelling unit per

1937
01:08:13,105 --> 01:08:15,741
gross acre and a maximum floor

1938
01:08:15,741 --> 01:08:16,475
area ratio of.25 and this

1939
01:08:16,475 --> 01:08:18,177
designation allows for the

1940
01:08:18,177 --> 01:08:19,912
consideration of agricultural

1941
01:08:19,912 --> 01:08:20,980
farms, ranches, residential,

1942
01:08:20,980 --> 01:08:21,948
eighborhood, commercial,

1943
01:08:21,948 --> 01:08:23,820
offices, and multipurpose

1944
01:08:23,820 --> 01:08:24,851
projects.

1945
01:08:24,851 --> 01:08:26,285
The site is currently surrounded

1946
01:08:26,285 --> 01:08:27,530
by the agricultural rurlt 1

1947
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:28,721
rural

1948
01:08:28,721 --> 01:08:29,922
1 to 5 and residential 1 future

1949
01:08:29,922 --> 01:08:31,357
land use designations.

1950
01:08:31,357 --> 01:08:32,358
the applicant is proposing to

1951
01:08:32,358 --> 01:08:34,227
amend the future land use

1952
01:08:34,227 --> 01:08:35,528
category to residential-2.

1953
01:08:35,528 --> 01:08:37,396
The residential-2 category

1954
01:08:37,396 --> 01:08:38,531
allows for 2 dwelling units per

1955
01:08:38,531 --> 01:08:39,232
gross acre and a maximum floor

1956
01:08:39,232 --> 01:08:41,232
area

1957
01:08:42,735 --> 01:08:44,735
ratio of.25.

1958
01:08:44,938 --> 01:08:46,105
This designation allow there is

1959
01:08:46,105 --> 01:08:49,705
is -- for the consideration of

1960
01:08:49,776 --> 01:08:51,744
the agricultural, residential,

1961
01:08:51,744 --> 01:08:52,110
multifamily and multipurpose

1962
01:08:52,110 --> 01:08:53,246
projects.

1963
01:08:53,246 --> 01:08:55,246
Currently under the

1964
01:08:55,848 --> 01:08:57,283
agricultural-rural res 1 to 5

1965
01:08:57,283 --> 01:09:00,530
the site could consider up to 16

1966
01:09:00,530 --> 01:09:02,355
dwelling units or 263,755 square

1967
01:09:02,355 --> 01:09:03,990
feet of nonresidential uses.

1968
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:05,291
And under the proposed future

1969
01:09:05,291 --> 01:09:06,226
land use designation of

1970
01:09:06,226 --> 01:09:08,626
residential-2 the site could

1971
01:09:10,563 --> 01:09:11,765
consider up to 48 dwelling units

1972
01:09:11,765 --> 01:09:12,632
or 263,755 square feet of

1973
01:09:12,632 --> 01:09:13,632
nonresidential use.

1974
01:09:13,632 --> 01:09:15,502
The proposed amendment will

1975
01:09:15,502 --> 01:09:16,736
increase the maximum potential

1976
01:09:16,736 --> 01:09:18,672
residential density and will not

1977
01:09:18,672 --> 01:09:21,720
change the maximum potential

1978
01:09:21,942 --> 01:09:23,275
nonresidential intensity.

1979
01:09:23,275 --> 01:09:24,411
The proposed amendment received

1980
01:09:24,411 --> 01:09:25,712
no formal objections, and the

1981
01:09:25,712 --> 01:09:27,130
list of full comments is

1982
01:09:27,130 --> 01:09:28,949
provided within the report

1983
01:09:28,949 --> 01:09:29,883
packet for review.

1984
01:09:29,883 --> 01:09:30,417
While formulating our

1985
01:09:30,417 --> 01:09:31,717
recommendation, planning

1986
01:09:31,717 --> 01:09:33,153
commission staff reviews all

1987
01:09:33,153 --> 01:09:34,354
related policies regarding the

1988
01:09:34,354 --> 01:09:35,689
proposed request, and though the

1989
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:37,124
request is related to several

1990
01:09:37,124 --> 01:09:39,126
general policies, staff found

1991
01:09:39,126 --> 01:09:40,860
three main areas of

1992
01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:41,962
inconsistency.

1993
01:09:41,962 --> 01:09:42,963
The proposed request is

1994
01:09:42,963 --> 01:09:44,797
inconsistent with flu's

1995
01:09:44,797 --> 01:09:45,565
objective up with.2 and

1996
01:09:45,565 --> 01:09:47,565
policies 1

1997
01:09:49,303 --> 01:09:50,604
1.2.1 and 1.2.2 which

1998
01:09:50,604 --> 01:09:51,705
defines the rural area as a

1999
01:09:51,705 --> 01:09:52,906
place intended to provide for

2000
01:09:52,906 --> 01:09:54,107
long-term agricultural uses,

2001
01:09:54,107 --> 01:09:55,875
large lot rural residential

2002
01:09:55,875 --> 01:09:56,343
uses, and undeveloped natural

2003
01:09:56,343 --> 01:09:58,178
areas.

2004
01:09:58,178 --> 01:09:59,146
And that within the rural area,

2005
01:09:59,146 --> 01:10:00,713
densities showp on the future

2006
01:10:00,713 --> 01:10:03,417
land use map will be no higher

2007
01:10:03,417 --> 01:10:04,684
than one dwelling unit to five

2008
01:10:04,684 --> 01:10:05,652
gross acres unless located

2009
01:10:05,652 --> 01:10:06,687
within an area identified with

2010
01:10:06,687 --> 01:10:08,489
the higher density land use

2011
01:10:08,489 --> 01:10:10,124
category on the future land use

2012
01:10:10,124 --> 01:10:11,910
map at, as a suburbening

2013
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:12,126
enclave, planned village,

2014
01:10:12,126 --> 01:10:14,526
planned development, pursuant to

2015
01:10:15,620 --> 01:10:16,300
the planned environmental

2016
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:17,310
community or rural community

2017
01:10:17,310 --> 01:10:18,332
which carry higher densities.

2018
01:10:18,332 --> 01:10:19,667
The site currently carries a

2019
01:10:19,667 --> 01:10:20,767
split future land use

2020
01:10:20,767 --> 01:10:22,169
designation of

2021
01:10:22,169 --> 01:10:23,270
agricultural-rural-1/5 and

2022
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:24,805
residential 1 which are both

2023
01:10:24,805 --> 01:10:26,390
densities found within and are

2024
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:27,908
intended for the rural area.

2025
01:10:27,908 --> 01:10:30,308
The nearest suburban enclave

2026
01:10:30,311 --> 01:10:31,512
within the rural area is located

2027
01:10:31,512 --> 01:10:32,713
approximately.9 miles west of

2028
01:10:32,713 --> 01:10:34,714
the site with the future land

2029
01:10:34,714 --> 01:10:37,114
use designation of residential-2

2030
01:10:38,285 --> 01:10:40,121
and the second closest is

2031
01:10:40,121 --> 01:10:41,422
1.04 miles northwest of the site

2032
01:10:41,422 --> 01:10:42,323
with a future land use

2033
01:10:42,323 --> 01:10:43,757
designation of residential 6.

2034
01:10:43,757 --> 01:10:45,359
The existing future land use

2035
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:46,460
between these two suburban

2036
01:10:46,460 --> 01:10:49,629
enclaves and the subject site is

2037
01:10:49,629 --> 01:10:50,331
residential 1 and

2038
01:10:50,331 --> 01:10:50,932
agricultural-rural-1/5.

2039
01:10:50,932 --> 01:10:52,733
While some of the surrounding

2040
01:10:52,733 --> 01:10:54,569
areas contain higher

2041
01:10:54,569 --> 01:10:55,535
designations of residential 1

2042
01:10:55,535 --> 01:10:56,871
and this is higher than the

2043
01:10:56,871 --> 01:10:58,380
general required 1 to 5 density,

2044
01:10:58,380 --> 01:10:59,373
the introduction of

2045
01:10:59,373 --> 01:11:01,175
residential-2 within the rural

2046
01:11:01,175 --> 01:11:04,779
area that is not contain and is

2047
01:11:04,779 --> 01:11:07,140
not in close proximity to a

2048
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:07,682
similar suburban enclave with a

2049
01:11:07,682 --> 01:11:10,820
higher future land use

2050
01:11:10,518 --> 01:11:11,619
designation of residential-2 is

2051
01:11:11,619 --> 01:11:13,254
inconsistent with rural area

2052
01:11:13,254 --> 01:11:15,254
objectives and policies.

2053
01:11:16,891 --> 01:11:18,590
Those objectives 4.4 and policy

2054
01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:19,827
4.4.1 require new development to

2055
01:11:19,827 --> 01:11:20,628
be compatible with the

2056
01:11:20,628 --> 01:11:21,995
surrounding neighborhood and

2057
01:11:21,995 --> 01:11:23,431
flu's policy 4.4

2058
01:11:23,431 --> 01:11:24,432
4.4.7 calls for

2059
01:11:24,432 --> 01:11:26,400
lands fronting a water body to

2060
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,350
have density and/or intensity

2061
01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:29,236
comparable and compatible with

2062
01:11:29,236 --> 01:11:30,538
other development parcels and

2063
01:11:30,538 --> 01:11:32,940
lots fronting the water body

2064
01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:33,341
outside of the urban service

2065
01:11:33,341 --> 01:11:34,509
area.

2066
01:11:34,509 --> 01:11:36,440
The surrounding land use

2067
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:37,145
patterns comprise of mostly low

2068
01:11:37,145 --> 01:11:38,913
density single-family

2069
01:11:38,913 --> 01:11:39,314
residential and agricultural

2070
01:11:39,314 --> 01:11:40,648
uses.

2071
01:11:40,648 --> 01:11:41,583
The surrounding areas to the

2072
01:11:41,583 --> 01:11:43,485
east, west, and south of the

2073
01:11:43,485 --> 01:11:44,486
site are generally large lot

2074
01:11:44,486 --> 01:11:45,920
rural residential developments

2075
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,422
that contain future land use

2076
01:11:47,422 --> 01:11:48,623
designations of

2077
01:11:48,623 --> 01:11:49,156
agricultural-rural-1/5 or

2078
01:11:49,156 --> 01:11:50,291
residential 1.

2079
01:11:50,291 --> 01:11:51,826
And the proposed request to

2080
01:11:51,826 --> 01:11:53,261
change the future land use to

2081
01:11:53,261 --> 01:11:54,129
residential-2 for suburban style

2082
01:11:54,129 --> 01:11:55,396
development would not complement

2083
01:11:55,396 --> 01:11:56,665
the existing development pattern

2084
01:11:56,665 --> 01:11:57,966
within the area.

2085
01:11:57,966 --> 01:11:59,199
And it would not serve as a

2086
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:00,340
transitional area between more

2087
01:12:00,340 --> 01:12:02,360
suburban development pattern and

2088
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:03,138
more rural development patterns.

2089
01:12:03,138 --> 01:12:04,773
Based on the current existing

2090
01:12:04,773 --> 01:12:06,274
future land use categories

2091
01:12:06,274 --> 01:12:07,509
around lake thonotosassa, the

2092
01:12:07,509 --> 01:12:09,477
eastern portion of the lake is

2093
01:12:09,477 --> 01:12:10,678
adjacent to

2094
01:12:10,678 --> 01:12:12,678
agricultural-rural-1/5 and the

2095
01:12:13,114 --> 01:12:13,682
western portion is surrounded by

2096
01:12:13,682 --> 01:12:15,682
residential 1.

2097
01:12:15,717 --> 01:12:17,152
There are no future land use

2098
01:12:17,152 --> 01:12:18,530
categories along lake

2099
01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:19,921
thonotosassa with a density

2100
01:12:19,921 --> 01:12:21,456
greater thatten 1 dwelling unit

2101
01:12:21,456 --> 01:12:23,456
per acre.

2102
01:12:23,725 --> 01:12:25,725
A flews

2103
01:12:27,462 --> 01:12:28,396
future land use of

2104
01:12:28,396 --> 01:12:30,396
residential-2 would not

2105
01:12:31,667 --> 01:12:34,670
comparable and compatible which

2106
01:12:34,303 --> 01:12:34,835
is inconsistent with flu's

2107
01:12:34,835 --> 01:12:35,937
policy 4.4.7.

2108
01:12:35,937 --> 01:12:37,380
Lastly this site is within the

2109
01:12:37,380 --> 01:12:37,739
limits of the thonotosassa

2110
01:12:37,739 --> 01:12:38,807
community plan.

2111
01:12:38,807 --> 01:12:40,776
Goal 3 of the community plan

2112
01:12:40,776 --> 01:12:41,610
seeks to provide improved yet

2113
01:12:41,610 --> 01:12:42,644
affordable infrastructure and a

2114
01:12:42,644 --> 01:12:43,979
balance of residential,

2115
01:12:43,979 --> 01:12:45,948
commercial, and other land uses

2116
01:12:45,948 --> 01:12:48,115
while maintaining the rural area

2117
01:12:48,115 --> 01:12:49,251
or rural nature of the

2118
01:12:49,251 --> 01:12:50,252
thonotosassa area.

2119
01:12:50,252 --> 01:12:51,753
Goal 5 of the community plan

2120
01:12:51,753 --> 01:12:53,722
seeks to protect water,

2121
01:12:53,722 --> 01:12:55,230
wildlife, air, soil, and trees

2122
01:12:55,230 --> 01:12:56,125
through effective planning,

2123
01:12:56,125 --> 01:12:57,993
consistent enforcement of

2124
01:12:57,993 --> 01:12:58,494
existing regulations, and

2125
01:12:58,494 --> 01:12:59,962
incentives.

2126
01:12:59,962 --> 01:13:01,430
Additionally, the community plan

2127
01:13:01,430 --> 01:13:02,698
lists specific strategies that

2128
01:13:02,698 --> 01:13:04,330
the community will use to

2129
01:13:04,330 --> 01:13:05,968
achieve its goals.

2130
01:13:05,968 --> 01:13:07,103
Post notably the plan -- most

2131
01:13:07,103 --> 01:13:08,236
notably the plan requires

2132
01:13:08,236 --> 01:13:08,938
minimum lot sizes of one acre

2133
01:13:08,938 --> 01:13:10,938
for residential development

2134
01:13:11,373 --> 01:13:12,341
within the residential 1

2135
01:13:12,341 --> 01:13:13,142
agricultural estate and

2136
01:13:13,142 --> 01:13:14,310
agricultural-rural future land

2137
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:15,411
use categories and it is

2138
01:13:15,411 --> 01:13:16,846
explicitly stated within the

2139
01:13:16,846 --> 01:13:17,379
strategies to protect the area's

2140
01:13:17,379 --> 01:13:18,781
rural character.

2141
01:13:18,781 --> 01:13:20,349
The future land use change to

2142
01:13:20,349 --> 01:13:21,830
residential-2 would allow for

2143
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:22,284
suburban style development

2144
01:13:22,284 --> 01:13:24,530
within the rural area, and would

2145
01:13:24,530 --> 01:13:25,354
not protect the existing

2146
01:13:25,354 --> 01:13:26,355
community character that the

2147
01:13:26,355 --> 01:13:27,456
thonotosassa community plan

2148
01:13:27,456 --> 01:13:29,125
intends to maintain within the

2149
01:13:29,125 --> 01:13:30,325
rural area.

2150
01:13:30,325 --> 01:13:31,894
goals 3 and 5 seek to balance

2151
01:13:31,894 --> 01:13:33,620
private property rights with the

2152
01:13:33,620 --> 01:13:34,163
protection of the environment

2153
01:13:34,163 --> 01:13:36,650
and rural character, and given

2154
01:13:36,650 --> 01:13:38,568
that the site is located along

2155
01:13:38,568 --> 01:13:39,401
lake thonotosassa and within an

2156
01:13:39,401 --> 01:13:40,235
agriculturally heavy area of the

2157
01:13:40,235 --> 01:13:42,400
community, a residential-2

2158
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:43,439
category would be too intense

2159
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,174
and would not further the goals

2160
01:13:45,174 --> 01:13:46,242
of the community plan.

2161
01:13:46,242 --> 01:13:47,410
Planning commission staff

2162
01:13:47,410 --> 01:13:48,677
recommends that the proposed map

2163
01:13:48,677 --> 01:13:50,179
amendment by found inconsistent

2164
01:13:50,179 --> 01:13:51,180
with the goals, objectiveses,

2165
01:13:51,180 --> 01:13:51,948
and policies of the

2166
01:13:51,948 --> 01:13:53,616
unincorporated hillsborough

2167
01:13:53,616 --> 01:13:54,650
county comprehensive plan, this

2168
01:13:54,650 --> 01:13:56,452
concludes my presentation, I'm

2169
01:13:56,452 --> 01:13:57,420
here if you have any questions.

2170
01:13:57,420 --> 01:13:58,387
>> chair: thank you.

2171
01:13:58,387 --> 01:14:01,387
Does the applicant have a

2172
01:14:03,493 --> 01:14:04,600
presentation?

2173
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:05,995
>> thank you.

2174
01:14:05,995 --> 01:14:08,395
Good evening, isabelle albert

2175
01:14:10,333 --> 01:14:10,700
with halff, 1,000 north ashley

2176
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:11,800
drive.

2177
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:12,401
I have the presentation here you

2178
01:14:12,401 --> 01:14:13,703
can see.

2179
01:14:13,703 --> 01:14:15,305
So generally staff did explain

2180
01:14:15,305 --> 01:14:16,272
where the site was and the

2181
01:14:16,272 --> 01:14:19,272
acreage and everything, and it

2182
01:14:19,442 --> 01:14:19,943
has a split land use

2183
01:14:19,943 --> 01:14:21,877
designation.

2184
01:14:21,877 --> 01:14:23,846
So when rewe reviewed this, when

2185
01:14:23,846 --> 01:14:24,747
we first filed for this

2186
01:14:24,747 --> 01:14:26,149
application, we actually

2187
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:26,616
requested for the ar portion for

2188
01:14:26,616 --> 01:14:27,984
res 1.

2189
01:14:27,984 --> 01:14:29,986
So that's a goal is to have one

2190
01:14:29,986 --> 01:14:31,870
unit to the acre.

2191
01:14:31,870 --> 01:14:32,822
And I understand that you all

2192
01:14:32,822 --> 01:14:34,891
don't look at the zoning, but we

2193
01:14:34,891 --> 01:14:36,493
have to kind of look at what's,

2194
01:14:36,493 --> 01:14:38,261
`what makes sense and what works,

2195
01:14:38,261 --> 01:14:39,762
and so at the same time, with

2196
01:14:39,762 --> 01:14:41,298
the new stormwater pond

2197
01:14:41,298 --> 01:14:43,698
regulation that increased by

2198
01:14:44,834 --> 01:14:48,434
over 22%, it's like what can we

2199
01:14:49,105 --> 01:14:49,539
really fit there, what works

2200
01:14:49,539 --> 01:14:50,740
there.

2201
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:51,700
This is currently what's the

2202
01:14:51,700 --> 01:14:52,609
zoning is.

2203
01:14:52,609 --> 01:14:53,900
The zoning is approved for

2204
01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:54,477
14-point lots.

2205
01:14:54,477 --> 01:14:55,845
You'll see where the residential

2206
01:14:55,845 --> 01:14:57,647
1 is that one-unit to the acre

2207
01:14:57,647 --> 01:15:01,247
and then the res 5, so it's

2208
01:15:02,152 --> 01:15:03,286
approved for 14 lots.

2209
01:15:03,286 --> 01:15:05,121
When we laid out the site and

2210
01:15:05,121 --> 01:15:06,323
having to take into

2211
01:15:06,323 --> 01:15:08,525
consideration the minimum one

2212
01:15:08,525 --> 01:15:10,293
laker lot size, we went from

2213
01:15:10,293 --> 01:15:11,394
having permitted 14 units to now

2214
01:15:11,394 --> 01:15:13,630
13 units that can fit there.

2215
01:15:13,630 --> 01:15:13,931
And so that just didn't make

2216
01:15:13,931 --> 01:15:15,931
sense.

2217
01:15:16,366 --> 01:15:17,901
And so I remember I was talking

2218
01:15:17,901 --> 01:15:20,103
with MS. Zornitta, I said well

2219
01:15:20,103 --> 01:15:21,872
we can either go like this and

2220
01:15:21,872 --> 01:15:23,407
continue with, with res 1, but

2221
01:15:23,407 --> 01:15:25,843
then at the plan development

2222
01:15:25,843 --> 01:15:26,643
portion of it, I'm going to ask

2223
01:15:26,643 --> 01:15:30,243
for half-acre lots in order to

2224
01:15:30,347 --> 01:15:31,782
get that one to one unit.

2225
01:15:31,782 --> 01:15:34,351
Or just be clean and just do the

2226
01:15:34,351 --> 01:15:36,190
res-2 to get out of this minimum

2227
01:15:36,190 --> 01:15:36,620
requirement of the minimum

2228
01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:37,920
one-acre lot.

2229
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,722
That's the only reason why we're

2230
01:15:39,722 --> 01:15:40,757
doing this is because we want to

2231
01:15:40,757 --> 01:15:42,393
have smarter lots.

2232
01:15:42,393 --> 01:15:43,327
And if it was in any other

2233
01:15:43,327 --> 01:15:45,727
plans, community plans that

2234
01:15:46,996 --> 01:15:48,299
would be permitted.

2235
01:15:48,299 --> 01:15:49,933
And also part of the zoning, we

2236
01:15:49,933 --> 01:15:51,468
also had to look at these

2237
01:15:51,468 --> 01:15:53,236
improvements that, what are we

2238
01:15:53,236 --> 01:15:55,206
going to be hooked for.

2239
01:15:55,206 --> 01:15:56,974
And one of them in discussion

2240
01:15:56,974 --> 01:15:59,760
with the county engineer was to

2241
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:00,677
have improve the road from our

2242
01:16:00,677 --> 01:16:02,313
site all the way to where the

2243
01:16:02,313 --> 01:16:03,914
res-6 is currently doing.

2244
01:16:03,914 --> 01:16:05,916
And so you have to consider all

2245
01:16:05,916 --> 01:16:07,885
of that and say res 1 still is

2246
01:16:07,885 --> 01:16:11,485
not helping us and so therefore,

2247
01:16:11,589 --> 01:16:13,858
we're going to request res-2.

2248
01:16:13,858 --> 01:16:14,425
So this is brings us to the

2249
01:16:14,425 --> 01:16:16,425
stormwater pond.

2250
01:16:17,828 --> 01:16:19,797
this is our plan that's under

2251
01:16:19,797 --> 01:16:21,332
review with the county where

2252
01:16:21,332 --> 01:16:23,534
along the frontage there,

2253
01:16:23,534 --> 01:16:25,169
there's not proposed anything

2254
01:16:25,169 --> 01:16:26,704
prior to having two units that

2255
01:16:26,704 --> 01:16:28,172
were proposed there, we're not

2256
01:16:28,172 --> 01:16:29,707
proposing any development on,

2257
01:16:29,707 --> 01:16:31,242
along the lake, and then we have

2258
01:16:31,242 --> 01:16:32,243
our stormwater ponds where

2259
01:16:32,243 --> 01:16:35,243
they're supposed to be located

2260
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:38,116
with the residence in the back.

2261
01:16:38,116 --> 01:16:39,683
But that still allows, that

2262
01:16:39,683 --> 01:16:41,218
development is one to one.

2263
01:16:41,218 --> 01:16:45,418
And if we didn't do that, we

2264
01:16:45,823 --> 01:16:46,724
would be at 13 units.

2265
01:16:46,724 --> 01:16:49,627
We also looked at the

2266
01:16:49,627 --> 01:16:50,328
comprehensive plan policies,

2267
01:16:50,328 --> 01:16:52,630
policies 3.1 says new

2268
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:53,197
development should recognize the

2269
01:16:53,197 --> 01:16:55,197
existing community.

2270
01:16:55,366 --> 01:16:58,436
As you heard this is a mix of

2271
01:16:58,436 --> 01:16:59,437
uses in this existing community.

2272
01:16:59,437 --> 01:17:01,272
We have agriculture, we have one

2273
01:17:01,272 --> 01:17:03,141
to five, we have along the lake,

2274
01:17:03,141 --> 01:17:05,243
one to one, we have more

2275
01:17:05,243 --> 01:17:07,412
intensive here and then we have

2276
01:17:07,412 --> 01:17:09,847
right there a wedding venue that

2277
01:17:09,847 --> 01:17:12,717
people can as a commercial use.

2278
01:17:12,717 --> 01:17:14,586
And so the introduction of the

2279
01:17:14,586 --> 01:17:15,587
half acre lot but you're still

2280
01:17:15,587 --> 01:17:19,187
one to one is not disturbing

2281
01:17:20,958 --> 01:17:22,494
that community.

2282
01:17:22,494 --> 01:17:24,290
They have to be, you know, in

2283
01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:25,463
harmony with each other.

2284
01:17:25,463 --> 01:17:27,980
The residential to residential

2285
01:17:27,980 --> 01:17:29,868
is not going to disturb the

2286
01:17:29,868 --> 01:17:32,868
harmony of having similar uses

2287
01:17:34,473 --> 01:17:36,873
next to each other.

2288
01:17:37,542 --> 01:17:39,311
Look at objective 3.1, 3.2,

2289
01:17:39,311 --> 01:17:41,711
3.24, that talks about the

2290
01:17:42,147 --> 01:17:43,381
community plan, and this is in

2291
01:17:43,381 --> 01:17:45,350
community plan thonotosassa

2292
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:47,180
community plan.

2293
01:17:47,180 --> 01:17:50,422
And it brings us the gold number

2294
01:17:50,422 --> 01:17:52,424
3 and number 5, which also staff

2295
01:17:52,424 --> 01:17:54,259
has pointed out, but it includes

2296
01:17:54,259 --> 01:17:55,861
the encouragement for grrg but

2297
01:17:55,861 --> 01:17:57,162
it protects the property owner's

2298
01:17:57,162 --> 01:17:58,597
rights and value and establish

2299
01:17:58,597 --> 01:18:00,799
the open space and greenspace

2300
01:18:00,799 --> 01:18:02,200
and the low density, and that's

2301
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,303
what that you know one acre in

2302
01:18:04,303 --> 01:18:05,537
am mm is to ensure that --

2303
01:18:05,537 --> 01:18:06,938
minimum is to ensure that there

2304
01:18:06,938 --> 01:18:07,706
is still a low density in the

2305
01:18:07,706 --> 01:18:08,840
rural service areaerment but

2306
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,877
when you come and really develop

2307
01:18:11,877 --> 01:18:13,545
it, if we did minimum one acre

2308
01:18:13,545 --> 01:18:14,613
lots, we would be well below

2309
01:18:14,613 --> 01:18:16,615
what the density would be

2310
01:18:16,615 --> 01:18:18,350
permitted, but by doing what

2311
01:18:18,350 --> 01:18:21,350
we're requesting, we are still

2312
01:18:23,288 --> 01:18:23,756
maintaining that one to one

2313
01:18:23,756 --> 01:18:24,656
unit.

2314
01:18:24,656 --> 01:18:26,358
And environmental protection

2315
01:18:26,358 --> 01:18:27,158
we're not tuching the frontage

2316
01:18:27,158 --> 01:18:28,460
portion of the lake.

2317
01:18:28,460 --> 01:18:31,960
It's like about two acres.

2318
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,496
We're not touching that.

2319
01:18:33,833 --> 01:18:35,434
Other policies 4.4 which is the

2320
01:18:35,434 --> 01:18:36,168
neighborhood protection, this is

2321
01:18:36,168 --> 01:18:38,568
maintain, the neighborhood is

2322
01:18:39,238 --> 01:18:42,838
still going to be maintained as

2323
01:18:45,444 --> 01:18:47,613
what it is, there is no, there's

2324
01:18:47,613 --> 01:18:49,715
no disturbance of what could

2325
01:18:49,715 --> 01:18:50,182
possibly happen if this is

2326
01:18:50,182 --> 01:18:52,182
developed.

2327
01:18:52,251 --> 01:18:54,420
And then these are, you know,

2328
01:18:54,420 --> 01:18:56,521
again, like creation of like

2329
01:18:56,521 --> 01:18:57,723
uses, creation of complementary

2330
01:18:57,723 --> 01:18:59,524
uses, and all of that you know

2331
01:18:59,524 --> 01:19:02,662
it meets all of othose as well

2332
01:19:02,662 --> 01:19:05,631
as the 4.4.7 about the lake

2333
01:19:05,631 --> 01:19:06,980
frontage that we are not

2334
01:19:06,980 --> 01:19:07,366
touching.

2335
01:19:07,366 --> 01:19:09,669
So these are the policies that

2336
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:12,304
I've listed for you tonight

2337
01:19:12,304 --> 01:19:13,839
where we found that it is

2338
01:19:13,839 --> 01:19:14,940
consistent with the

2339
01:19:14,940 --> 01:19:16,709
comprehensive plan by stating

2340
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:18,709
those same policies.

2341
01:19:20,112 --> 01:19:20,646
That concludes my presentation.

2342
01:19:20,646 --> 01:19:22,181
>> ken hagan: thank you.

2343
01:19:22,181 --> 01:19:22,515
We had one individual signed --

2344
01:19:22,515 --> 01:19:23,583
joo thank you.

2345
01:19:23,583 --> 01:19:27,783
We had one individual sign up in

2346
01:19:31,624 --> 01:19:33,593
the public comment on this one,

2347
01:19:33,593 --> 01:19:33,993
and I will call robert

2348
01:19:33,993 --> 01:19:34,494
alvis.

2349
01:19:34,494 --> 01:19:36,494
Come on down.

2350
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:38,464
you have three minutes, sir.

2351
01:19:38,464 --> 01:19:40,464
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, commissioners.

2352
01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:43,500
My name is robert alvis.

2353
01:19:44,571 --> 01:19:46,739
I live at 11907 thonotosassa

2354
01:19:46,739 --> 01:19:48,207
road, the mkes me the most

2355
01:19:48,207 --> 01:19:50,607
affected person in hillsborough

2356
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:51,878
county by this.

2357
01:19:51,878 --> 01:19:53,213
I amright

2358
01:19:53,213 --> 01:19:54,981
I am right next door.

2359
01:19:54,981 --> 01:19:57,684
Some of the staff's photographs

2360
01:19:57,684 --> 01:20:00,620
had a picture of a car in a

2361
01:20:00,620 --> 01:20:02,455
driveway, that's my driveway.

2362
01:20:02,455 --> 01:20:04,455
This is ridiculous.

2363
01:20:06,192 --> 01:20:08,940
This is an agricultural area.

2364
01:20:08,940 --> 01:20:09,896
What they're asking for is to

2365
01:20:09,896 --> 01:20:11,964
create a subdivision in the

2366
01:20:11,964 --> 01:20:13,165
place a subdivision does --

2367
01:20:13,165 --> 01:20:14,701
should not exist.

2368
01:20:14,701 --> 01:20:15,535
There are nub

2369
01:20:15,535 --> 01:20:16,903
none there.

2370
01:20:16,903 --> 01:20:18,304
There are none on that side of

2371
01:20:18,304 --> 01:20:19,973
the road.

2372
01:20:19,973 --> 01:20:23,243
Closest place is up on kingsway

2373
01:20:23,243 --> 01:20:24,678
and it's one to five.

2374
01:20:24,678 --> 01:20:26,980
That's all it should be there,

2375
01:20:26,980 --> 01:20:29,980
but unfortunately, they have got

2376
01:20:29,983 --> 01:20:32,983
a one to one ratio.

2377
01:20:34,540 --> 01:20:36,454
Or some oit, 16 acres.

2378
01:20:37,324 --> 01:20:40,924
I urge you to defeat this.

2379
01:20:41,995 --> 01:20:43,830
It does not fit our area.

2380
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:45,999
Getting rid of agricultural

2381
01:20:45,999 --> 01:20:46,466
designation does not apply

2382
01:20:46,466 --> 01:20:48,466
anywhere.

2383
01:20:49,736 --> 01:20:52,390
As they stated, we're surrounded

2384
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:54,108
by farms, cattle ranch.

2385
01:20:54,108 --> 01:20:56,508
There are privately one-to-one

2386
01:20:56,977 --> 01:20:59,377
houses there, privately built.

2387
01:20:59,845 --> 01:21:01,682
No subdivisions.

2388
01:21:01,682 --> 01:21:04,820
No extreme concentration like

2389
01:21:04,484 --> 01:21:06,484
they're talking about.

2390
01:21:10,923 --> 01:21:11,292
So once again, I urge you to say

2391
01:21:11,292 --> 01:21:13,292
no.

2392
01:21:13,527 --> 01:21:15,296
We have gone through this before

2393
01:21:15,296 --> 01:21:17,731
a couple of years back when they

2394
01:21:17,731 --> 01:21:19,731
tried something similar.

2395
01:21:20,340 --> 01:21:22,870
This is basically just a

2396
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:24,839
variation on a theme.

2397
01:21:24,839 --> 01:21:26,373
And it was defeated.

2398
01:21:26,373 --> 01:21:27,374
I won't go into why.

2399
01:21:27,374 --> 01:21:29,374
It's public record.

2400
01:21:29,677 --> 01:21:32,770
so look it up.

2401
01:21:34,348 --> 01:21:35,883
You guys have the ability.

2402
01:21:35,883 --> 01:21:37,918
I will stop there and thank you

2403
01:21:37,918 --> 01:21:39,220
for your time.

2404
01:21:39,220 --> 01:21:41,880
>> chair: thank you, sir.

2405
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,880
All right.

2406
01:21:48,930 --> 01:21:51,650
Three empty response to the

2407
01:21:51,650 --> 01:21:52,300
applicant.

2408
01:21:52,300 --> 01:21:54,300
>> commissioners, good evening,

2409
01:21:54,669 --> 01:21:55,135
william mu loy, 325 south

2410
01:21:55,135 --> 01:21:57,135
boulevard.

2411
01:21:57,271 --> 01:21:58,390
I'll be very quick and direct on

2412
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:58,973
what we're doing here.

2413
01:21:58,973 --> 01:22:00,240
If we could cluster this we

2414
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:01,576
would be asking for r1 across

2415
01:22:01,576 --> 01:22:03,576
the entire site.

2416
01:22:04,712 --> 01:22:06,280
I know how important and

2417
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:06,647
protected the rural service area

2418
01:22:06,647 --> 01:22:08,149
is.

2419
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:09,170
I know the emotions that can

2420
01:22:09,170 --> 01:22:10,170
ride on it.

2421
01:22:10,170 --> 01:22:11,185
I'm fought going to talk about

2422
01:22:11,185 --> 01:22:12,152
zone -- not going to talk about

2423
01:22:12,152 --> 01:22:13,387
zoning but when there is a

2424
01:22:13,387 --> 01:22:14,155
zoning, this is going to come in

2425
01:22:14,155 --> 01:22:16,240
at one-to-one.

2426
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,325
The only reason for the r2 again

2427
01:22:17,325 --> 01:22:18,860
is to allow us to cluster, give

2428
01:22:18,860 --> 01:22:20,495
us a little bit of flexibility

2429
01:22:20,495 --> 01:22:23,665
with our lot sizes so we don't

2430
01:22:23,665 --> 01:22:24,666
end up platting roads in

2431
01:22:24,666 --> 01:22:25,800
people's front yards which is

2432
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:26,340
what could eventually happen

2433
01:22:26,340 --> 01:22:27,969
here.

2434
01:22:27,969 --> 01:22:30,271
I do want to point out too,

2435
01:22:30,271 --> 01:22:31,840
isabelle mentioned the

2436
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:32,172
accelerated stormwater program

2437
01:22:32,172 --> 01:22:33,174
we have.

2438
01:22:33,174 --> 01:22:34,175
What we're doing at the north

2439
01:22:34,175 --> 01:22:35,276
end of that property is going to

2440
01:22:35,276 --> 01:22:36,770
be exceptional for that lake

2441
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:38,980
because according to these new

2442
01:22:38,980 --> 01:22:40,480
rules we have, we can't let any

2443
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:41,950
outfall that's not treated or

2444
01:22:41,950 --> 01:22:43,180
has any suspended particulates

2445
01:22:43,180 --> 01:22:44,185
leave our property.

2446
01:22:44,185 --> 01:22:45,553
So those two giant swimming

2447
01:22:45,553 --> 01:22:46,521
pools will be a boon for the

2448
01:22:46,521 --> 01:22:47,155
lake and there is a reason we

2449
01:22:47,155 --> 01:22:48,323
put them there.

2450
01:22:48,323 --> 01:22:49,958
that's the way the water's going

2451
01:22:49,958 --> 01:22:51,526
south to north.

2452
01:22:51,526 --> 01:22:52,827
So given those and the fact that

2453
01:22:52,827 --> 01:22:54,262
we do have to construct a road

2454
01:22:54,262 --> 01:22:58,462
rights to the front door of a

2455
01:23:01,770 --> 01:23:04,773
pocket of r6 I think are points

2456
01:23:04,773 --> 01:23:07,442
for consideration that this is

2457
01:23:07,442 --> 01:23:09,778
not a rural enclave but it's a

2458
01:23:09,778 --> 01:23:11,480
point for -- suburban enclave.

2459
01:23:11,480 --> 01:23:11,980
It's a point for rural

2460
01:23:11,980 --> 01:23:12,514
development.

2461
01:23:12,514 --> 01:23:14,914
>> chair: all right, any

2462
01:23:15,820 --> 01:23:16,318
questions or discussion?

2463
01:23:16,318 --> 01:23:17,653
MR. Kugler.

2464
01:23:17,653 --> 01:23:18,754
>> yes, I was very impressed

2465
01:23:18,754 --> 01:23:20,754
with missouri

2466
01:23:21,823 --> 01:23:23,823
MS. Linehan's presentation,

2467
01:23:23,925 --> 01:23:24,159
it was very detailed.

2468
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:26,159
It

2469
01:23:26,595 --> 01:23:27,629
I was a bit confused when I

2470
01:23:27,629 --> 01:23:29,331
believe it was the name isabelle

2471
01:23:29,331 --> 01:23:31,731
had presented the one-to-one.

2472
01:23:32,835 --> 01:23:34,536
I didn't understand what she was

2473
01:23:34,536 --> 01:23:35,704
describing as where, we're

2474
01:23:35,704 --> 01:23:37,105
cutting it to half an acre and

2475
01:23:37,105 --> 01:23:39,241
yet it's still one-to-one.

2476
01:23:39,241 --> 01:23:40,876
It seemed to me that it was two

2477
01:23:40,876 --> 01:23:41,577
to one rather than one to

2478
01:23:41,577 --> 01:23:42,745
one-to-one,

2479
01:23:42,745 --> 01:23:46,945
maybe you can clear that up for

2480
01:23:49,518 --> 01:23:50,486
me.

2481
01:23:50,486 --> 01:23:51,520
>> of course, with the new

2482
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:52,621
rules, the stormwater ponds more

2483
01:23:52,621 --> 01:23:54,690
land is being used for that.

2484
01:23:54,690 --> 01:23:57,325
So if we're now being restricted

2485
01:23:57,325 --> 01:23:59,762
in the area to developed, and so

2486
01:23:59,762 --> 01:24:01,300
by doing so, when we actually

2487
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:04,330
quite engineered it out just to

2488
01:24:04,330 --> 01:24:05,300
get an idea, but the, and the

2489
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:06,502
new rule just came in JANUARY so

2490
01:24:06,502 --> 01:24:09,238
it's still very new to some of

2491
01:24:09,238 --> 01:24:11,240
us, and so I asked my engineers

2492
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,475
to just plot out quickly what

2493
01:24:13,475 --> 01:24:14,844
would be required, and what do I

2494
01:24:14,844 --> 01:24:16,178
enup with, and I ended up with

2495
01:24:16,178 --> 01:24:17,279
`less units than what I'm

2496
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:19,279
currently approved for.

2497
01:24:19,282 --> 01:24:20,482
But it's still brings you, if

2498
01:24:20,482 --> 01:24:24,682
you look it still would be very

2499
01:24:28,123 --> 01:24:29,992
similar to the one-to-one.

2500
01:24:29,992 --> 01:24:31,126
>> so in other words the

2501
01:24:31,126 --> 01:24:34,630
houses remain the sime number on

2502
01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:35,397
a tighter lot.

2503
01:24:35,397 --> 01:24:36,899
>> you need a half acre because

2504
01:24:36,899 --> 01:24:39,768
you're in the rural service area

2505
01:24:39,768 --> 01:24:41,971
for, well and septic.

2506
01:24:41,971 --> 01:24:43,605
It's the half acre lot but just

2507
01:24:43,605 --> 01:24:45,374
in this plan it says minimum

2508
01:24:45,374 --> 01:24:48,111
one-acre lot, because they want

2509
01:24:48,111 --> 01:24:48,678
to maintain that low density.

2510
01:24:48,678 --> 01:24:49,278
>> I understand now.

2511
01:24:49,278 --> 01:24:50,980
Thank you.

2512
01:24:50,980 --> 01:24:52,810
>> thank you.

2513
01:24:52,810 --> 01:24:53,616
>> chair: all right.

2514
01:24:53,616 --> 01:24:54,717
Are there any other questions,

2515
01:24:54,717 --> 01:24:56,452
before you jump in, I'll throw

2516
01:24:56,452 --> 01:24:58,454
in there if anyone's going to go

2517
01:24:58,454 --> 01:25:00,590
against staff, remember we're

2518
01:25:00,590 --> 01:25:01,624
going to need some spallacies to

2519
01:25:01,624 --> 01:25:04,240
keep that in mind.

2520
01:25:04,293 --> 01:25:06,290
>> just to be very clear about

2521
01:25:06,290 --> 01:25:08,364
one to one, 24 acres, 24 units.

2522
01:25:08,364 --> 01:25:09,332
That's exactly what we mean.

2523
01:25:09,332 --> 01:25:10,667
>> chair: all right.

2524
01:25:10,667 --> 01:25:12,667
Any other thoughts?

2525
01:25:12,702 --> 01:25:13,168
Questions?

2526
01:25:13,168 --> 01:25:14,704
Comments?

2527
01:25:14,704 --> 01:25:16,139
Commissioners sink.

2528
01:25:16,139 --> 01:25:18,139
>> I

2529
01:25:20,743 --> 01:25:21,744
sienk.

2530
01:25:21,744 --> 01:25:22,812
>> I struggle with this one

2531
01:25:22,812 --> 01:25:24,614
because if you look at the area

2532
01:25:24,614 --> 01:25:25,749
to the west, there's a road

2533
01:25:25,749 --> 01:25:27,117
right on the kingsway it's

2534
01:25:27,117 --> 01:25:29,753
almost the same depth and there

2535
01:25:29,753 --> 01:25:31,487
are seven, maybe eight units,

2536
01:25:31,487 --> 01:25:35,687
and for this area it just seems

2537
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:38,995
like even 14 seems double I

2538
01:25:38,995 --> 01:25:43,195
don't know it just does not seem

2539
01:25:43,633 --> 01:25:44,134
consistent with the area.

2540
01:25:44,134 --> 01:25:45,350
>> chair: good points.

2541
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:46,360
Any other thoughts?

2542
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,360
Questions, comments?

2543
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,640
Commissioner bowden.

2544
01:25:53,610 --> 01:25:55,679
>> yeah, I'm, and as I think

2545
01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:57,180
through this, you know, being

2546
01:25:57,180 --> 01:26:00,180
separating the comp plan with

2547
01:26:00,650 --> 01:26:04,250
the zining piece, you know, and

2548
01:26:04,287 --> 01:26:05,489
I can only take one or the other

2549
01:26:05,489 --> 01:26:07,889
into consideration, and --

2550
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:08,425
>> chair: you can only take one,

2551
01:26:08,425 --> 01:26:10,425
yeah.

2552
01:26:10,694 --> 01:26:13,864
>> so you know, so the zoning

2553
01:26:13,864 --> 01:26:15,399
piece was kind of to me

2554
01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:18,399
irrelevant because it was more

2555
01:26:20,537 --> 01:26:23,730
of -- more -- you know, to me.

2556
01:26:23,730 --> 01:26:23,507
So I just wanted to make tat

2557
01:26:23,507 --> 01:26:25,507
comment.

2558
01:26:25,709 --> 01:26:27,770
You know, I would look a little

2559
01:26:27,770 --> 01:26:29,120
more comp -- look fr something a

2560
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,810
little more compelling as to why

2561
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:32,516
it was other than to give me

2562
01:26:32,516 --> 01:26:35,516
information that I really can't

2563
01:26:38,122 --> 01:26:38,655
use to make a decision.

2564
01:26:38,655 --> 01:26:39,757
>> chair: good thoughts.

2565
01:26:39,757 --> 01:26:40,291
Good thoughts.

2566
01:26:40,291 --> 01:26:42,291
MS. Zornitta.

2567
01:26:43,260 --> 01:26:45,462
>> and I would just emphasize

2568
01:26:45,462 --> 01:26:47,862
that the thonotosassa community

2569
01:26:48,432 --> 01:26:51,350
plan does speak to wanting the

2570
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:55,235
minimum lot size of one acre in

2571
01:26:55,906 --> 01:26:57,341
the residential 1 and the

2572
01:26:57,341 --> 01:26:59,543
agricultural-rural, so yes, we

2573
01:26:59,543 --> 01:27:01,844
did talk with the applicant

2574
01:27:01,844 --> 01:27:03,714
about making the site all one

2575
01:27:03,714 --> 01:27:05,149
land use category because it is

2576
01:27:05,149 --> 01:27:08,749
awkward when they have a split

2577
01:27:09,954 --> 01:27:12,556
like that in the residential 1,

2578
01:27:12,556 --> 01:27:14,524
and that would be I think

2579
01:27:14,524 --> 01:27:16,924
consistent with the thonotosassa

2580
01:27:17,294 --> 01:27:18,695
community plan, but you know,

2581
01:27:18,695 --> 01:27:20,695
the thonotosassa community

2582
01:27:20,731 --> 01:27:23,731
plan's very clear about wanting

2583
01:27:27,572 --> 01:27:28,400
that one acre development

2584
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:28,473
pattern.

2585
01:27:28,473 --> 01:27:30,473
>> chair: all right.

2586
01:27:30,842 --> 01:27:31,342
Are there any other questions?

2587
01:27:31,342 --> 01:27:32,977
Comments?

2588
01:27:32,977 --> 01:27:34,378
Thoughts from commissioners?

2589
01:27:34,378 --> 01:27:36,547
Not seeing a lot of excitement

2590
01:27:36,547 --> 01:27:40,830
around the dais here, so going

2591
01:27:40,830 --> 01:27:41,119
once, going twice, I'm going to

2592
01:27:41,119 --> 01:27:42,530
to close the public comment and

2593
01:27:42,530 --> 01:27:43,121
open it up to motions from the

2594
01:27:43,121 --> 01:27:43,788
commissioners on this item.

2595
01:27:43,788 --> 01:27:45,788
Commissioner cona.

2596
01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:48,590
>> yeah, motion to find hc/cpa

2597
01:27:48,590 --> 01:27:48,693
26-10 inconsistent with the

2598
01:27:48,693 --> 01:27:49,561
comprehensive plan.

2599
01:27:49,561 --> 01:27:51,561
>> chair: all right,

2600
01:27:51,996 --> 01:27:52,497
commissioner jemison.

2601
01:27:52,497 --> 01:27:53,164
>> second.

2602
01:27:53,164 --> 01:27:54,299
>> chair: commissioner cona with

2603
01:27:54,299 --> 01:27:55,366
a motion of inconsistency

2604
01:27:55,366 --> 01:27:55,966
finding, commissioner jemison

2605
01:27:55,966 --> 01:27:57,350
seconds that motion.

2606
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:57,902
Are there any questions,

2607
01:27:57,902 --> 01:27:59,404
comments, thoughts from the

2608
01:27:59,404 --> 01:28:00,538
commissioners before we take our

2609
01:28:00,538 --> 01:28:01,706
vote?

2610
01:28:01,706 --> 01:28:03,274
And we would all signify their

2611
01:28:03,274 --> 01:28:05,377
agreement by saying aye.

2612
01:28:05,377 --> 01:28:07,377
Those opposed?

2613
01:28:07,812 --> 01:28:08,580
That motion carries unanimously.

2614
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:10,515
All right.

2615
01:28:10,515 --> 01:28:14,115
That was our last item of

2616
01:28:14,819 --> 01:28:15,587
business for tonight, so at 7:26 P.M., this public hearing

2617
01:28:15,587 --> 01:28:17,587
is adjourned.