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>> ken hagan: good morning and

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welcome to the SEPTEMBER 2nd,

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2026, regularly scheduled board

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meeting of the hillsborough

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county board of county

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commissioners.

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Would everyone please rise for

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the pledge and invocation given

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by our chaplain, commissioner

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gwen myers.

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[Pledge of allegiance]

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>> gwen myers: o gracious

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4e6benly father, thank you for

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your goodness, your grace, ad

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mercy.

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Thank you for all of our

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speakers who will speak today

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and share their thoughts with

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Bless this board as we continue

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to make great decisions on

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behalf of our county.

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Bless our administration as they

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meet and run our county and the

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operation of this county.

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Lord, I just thank you for every

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that you have allowed this

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county to achieve, and

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particularly on last friday.

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Just thank you, thank you,

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father, for the courage that you

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gave us to do your will, amen.

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>> ken hagan: thank you,

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commissioner myers.

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Today we have one very special

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commendation to be presented,

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and it'll be presented by

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commissioner boles.

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>> chris boles: prestaged.

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Good morning, everybody.

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How is everyone?

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Thank you, MR. Chair.

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Would bries and perry parkman

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found rsz of the mac parkman

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foundation as well as travis

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warner join me at the podium?

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Thank you.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, everybody.

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the mac parkman foundation's

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mission is a vytle one, to raise

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awareness of the effects of

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repeated head impacts and blast

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exposures have on the brain and

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mental health of children,

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athletes, and veterans.

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This mission serves as a

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profound legacy for the

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mcconnell mac parkman who

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tragically passed away SEPTEMBER 24th, 2020, after

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battling mental health issues

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that were related to a series of

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three known concussions he

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sustained ibwrestling, football,

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and other concussive activities.

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Today thousands of -- primarily

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through participation in sports

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related activities.

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The mac parkman foundation is

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dedicated to creating a safer

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environment in sports and

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military service, improving

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treatment for those athletes and

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veterans affected and ensuring a

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healthier future for all.

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It is an honor and a privilege

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for me and this board to present

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this commendation to MR. And

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MRS. Parkman, recognizing their

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organization, its namesake for

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their son, and a very important

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event, the foundation is hosting

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in our community.

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The commendation reads as such.

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Hillsborough county board of

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county commissioners is pleased

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to recognize the mac parkman

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foundation on the occasion of

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the third annual international

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summit on repetitive brain

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trauma, bringing together

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researchers, medical

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professionals, athletes,

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advocates, and community

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leaders.

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Since its founding, the mac

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parkman foundation has been

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dedicated to protecting brains

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and saving lives by advancing

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awareness, research, education,

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and advocacy surrounding brain

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health and the prevention and

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treatment of brain injuries.

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Through its work, the foundation

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advocates for safer sports,

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improved treatments, and greater

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understanding of brain health,

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with a particular focus on

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athletes, veterans, children,

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and others impacted by brain

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injury.

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SEPTEMBER 16th to

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SEPTEMBER 17th, 2026, the

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nonprofit organization will host

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its third annual international

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summit on repetitive brain

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trauma at the center for

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advanced medical learning and

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simulation, camls in downtown

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tampa.

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important forum for advancing

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dialogue, sharing research, and

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emerging knowledge, and raising

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awareness of the effects of

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repetitive head impacts and

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heir potential long-term

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The mac parkman foundation's

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continued investment in

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education, research, and

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community partnerships reflects

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its unwavering commitment to

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improving brain health and

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protecting the well-being of

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future generations.

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commissioners of hillsborough

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county, florida, does hereby

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commend the mac parkman

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foundation for its dedication to

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advancing brain health,

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promoting safer sports,

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supporting research and

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treatment, and raising awareness

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of brain injuries, and wishes

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the foundation a continued

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success.

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Executed this 2nd day of

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september, 2026.

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Thank you, sir.

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>> commissioners boles, thank

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you so much.

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>> chris boles: thank you,

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ma'am.

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Would you like to have a few

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moments to speak?

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Thank you so much.

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Commissioner boles, thank you

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very much for.

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Hillsborough county

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commissioners, chaplain, legal

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folks, we want to say thank you

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very much for allowing us not

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only this day of commendation

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for ourselves and our son, but

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for what this summit represents

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to the hillsborough county and

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the future of this country.

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Right now this conference is

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brought about by the death of

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our son who took his life at 17

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after suffering mentalilityinize

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for years as a result of him

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starting to play contact sports

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of young people before their --

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while their brain is developing

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in contact sports is the largest

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preventable cause of mental

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illness and incarceration in

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this concountry right now.

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And not only that, our veteran

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population blast exposure right

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now is emerging as a new an

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critical unsolved science that

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we need oo address after 130,000

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veterans have already committed

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suicide.

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These two issues right now are

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based on repetitive brain

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trauma.

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This summit that we hold right

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here in tampa is the only summit

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of its kind in the world.

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These issues affect millions of

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americans, and they are not

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getting any attention right now

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because of the fact that sports

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is a religion, and we all love

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sports.

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I'm a semipro rugby major, a

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retired green beret -- major.

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Kind of a man and we need our

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veterans to be lethal and

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without recognizes these

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conditions can be treated, that

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we do have policies and

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procedures to make better

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changes to the way we minimize

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the aggregate exposure of the

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brain to trauma, we can

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`absolutely have our contact

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sports and safe kids that aren't

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running off cliffs and taking

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their lives.

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Millions of kids right now are

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in medical care, none of them

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have been assessed.

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repetitive brain trauma and

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mental illness and damage to the

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brain is not trained in any

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nursing, medical, or

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psychological curriculum in this

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country today, which means our

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entire medical population is not

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aware of the correlations, and

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our children are being

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misdiagnosed and mistreated with

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extensive amounts of

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pharmaceuticals instead of

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modalities that can change the

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We must treat the brain.

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In close, I would like to say

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that we're going to keep this

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summit here for a couple

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Number 1, hillsborough county

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rocks and we've got mazing

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commissioners that support us.

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Number 2, there is not a plot of

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medical and -- lot of medical

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and research oriented summits

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and third, hillsborough county

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just basically rocks.

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But we are honored to host this

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This going to be our third one.

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This grows every year.

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It is international nature, and

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we want to thank commissioner

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boles and the rest of the

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commissioners and our ceo travis

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horn here for encouraging us to

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come here to recognize what me

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and my beautiful wife have done

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and for saying to all of you

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here, this is a huge issue in

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this country right now, and we

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are the leading effort in it,

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and we absolutely need your

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Thank you very much.

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>> ken hagan: thank you,

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commissioner boles.

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Bonnie, do you want to review

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changes to the agenda?

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>> yes, good morning,

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deferred to a date to be

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The first one is item a. 12,

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which is to approve aerizelution

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reflecting a modification to the

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county's tourist development

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plan for fiscal year 26 and 27.

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The second one is item g. 1,

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which is to receive a report on

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the hillsborough county firearm

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purchases ordinance.

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You have several items for time

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certain today.

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The first one is item d. 1 at

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10:00.

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This is to hold a public hearing

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to consider the transfer of

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certain property rights through

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a perpetual easement and a

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temporary construction easement

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relating to the south

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hillsborough aquifer recharge

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program better known as sharp.

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Item d. 2 is at 10:00.

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This is related to item b. 1.

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This is to hold a public hearing

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and adopt an ordinance providing

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for a requirement for the

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registration of short-term

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vacation rentals and for

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business regulations of

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short-term vacation rentals.

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Then we have item b. 1, also at

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10:00, related to item d. 2,

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which is to adopt a resolution

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providing for the fee schedule

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to implement the hillsborough

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county short-term vacation

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rental registration and business

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regulation ordinance.

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Item d. 3 at 10:00 is to hold a

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public hearing to consider the

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hillsborough county code of

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ordinances and laws relating to

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cross-connections and back flow

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control.

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Item d. 4 also at 10:00, conduct

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a public hearing and adopt a

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resolution that establishes the

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stormwater management non-ad

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valorem assessment rates and

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non-ad valorem assessment roll

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for calendar year 2026.

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And item b. 2 at 1015 is to

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adopt a supplementary resolution

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authorizing the issuance of not

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to exceed $700 million in

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aggregate principle amount of

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the county's utility system

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revenue bonds for the purpose of

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financing all or a portion of

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the acquisition, construction,

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reconstruction, expansion,

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replacement, and/or equipping of

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various capital improvement

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projects for the utility system.

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And also to refinance a portion

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of certain indebtedness.

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11:45 is a recess for lunch.

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Those are the changes to the

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agenda.

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>> ken hagan: can we have a

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motion to approve the changes?

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Motion, commissioner cohen.

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Second commissioner miller.

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Please record your vote.

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>> motion carried 7-0.

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>> ken hagan: okay, the board

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will go into the public comment

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portion of the agenda.

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The board welcomes comments from

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the citizens about any issue or

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concern.

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Your opinions are valued in

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terms of providing valuable

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input to board members.

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However, at the same time, it is

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requested when you address the

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board that comments are not made

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directly at staff or board

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members but rather the issues.

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The board has set aside 45

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minutes for public comment this

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morning.

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The chair will call the speakers

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in the order in which you've

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signed up.

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Each person will be given three

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minutes.

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Please state your name and speak

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clearly into the microphone.

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First three speakers, joseph

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mullburger followed by colonel

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D.J. Rays and then linda

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grabowsky.

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Good morning, sir.

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>> good morning.

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I'm united states air frce

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lieutenant -- retired lieutenant

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colonel.

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I'm -- in 1955 the council began

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as the allied war veterans of

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hillsborough county, florida,

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inc., then in 1965 the name was

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changed to our current name.

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Our 71 years founded and evolved

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by veterans as a way to improve

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the lifestyle of resident

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veterans and their families.

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The council had significant

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influence in establishing our

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veterans memorial park along

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highway 301.

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Today the council is a congress

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of sorts with representation

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from veterans organizations from

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across the county as well as

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individual members and people

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with interests to support

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veterans.

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In JANUARY 2024, the council

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established bylaws defining

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officers, committees, and

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administrative guidelines.

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Today we are in the council

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administration of JANUARY 2026

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through NOVEMBER 2027.

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Application of the bylaws is in

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process, which as a result means

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a paradigm shift is in process.

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Committees have been established

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as defined by the bylaws.

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The council co-hosts five annual

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events with the veterans

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memorial park staff that are

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sponsored with a hillsborough

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county budget.

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These vents come at a cost and

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an obligation for fiscal

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responsibility.

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Since 2008 by way of the bocc

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the council has been the

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recipient of a $10,000 grant $10,000 grant.

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Cost increases this fiscal year

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were learned about after each

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event and demonstrate adneed for

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a $10,000 grant to be increased

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with a total of $10,000 more for

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a total of $20,000 for fiscal

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year 2027.

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On wednesday, JULY 29th, the

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bocc held their budgetary vote

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and voted in favor of the

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council receiving the

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$10,000 grant as well as the

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additional $10,000 for the total

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budget of $20,000.

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The council is grateful and

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extends their thanks to all

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seven bocc councilmembers and

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their staffs for their support

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and this positive way forward.

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In OCTOBER 2025, the council

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voted to align with the larger

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similar organization, the tampa

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bay defense alliance, which

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covers eight counties including

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our own.

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Alliances allow optimizing

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opportunities benefiting

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hillsborough county veterans and

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heir families, circling back to

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the fundamental council purpose,

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improving the lifestyle and

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resident veterans -- resident

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veterans and their families.

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Thank you very much.

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>> ken hagan: thank you, sir.

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Appreciate the comments.

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Colonel reyes, followed by linda

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grabowsky and then denise

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herndon.

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Good morning, sir.

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>> good morning, everybody.

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Again my name is D.J. Reyes, I'm

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a retired U.S. Army colonel.

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I was appointed by commissioner

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cepeda to represent district 5

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on the hillsborough county

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veterans advisory board.

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I'm also a state and national

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advocate for criminal justice

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involved veterans, and the

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veterans treatment court,

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specifically the one here in

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tampa.

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I was appointed to and served on

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the U.S. Secretary of veterans

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affairs advisory committee on

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homeless veterans from 2023 to

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2024.

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And in NOVEMBER of 2025, I was

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appointed to my current

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position, as a deputy executive

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director for the florida

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department of veteran affairs.

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The purpose why I'm here today

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is to obtain your favorable

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consideration to use the

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existing county owned four acres

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adjacent to the veterans

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memorial park for affordable

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transitional veteran housing,

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supported by already existing

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and comprehensive community

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wraparound services.

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Again, my perspective is shaped

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on my experiencing at the ground

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level supporting the tampa

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veterans treatment court since

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2013 and again my time on the

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advisory committee at the

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national level.

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In your packet, you should have

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eceived two slides.

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I'll just like to highlight just

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a couple key points in there.

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The first slide points to the

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national and state rankings

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placed purely on the number of

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veterans re -- based purely on

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the number of veterans residing

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in florida.

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Right now we enjoy 1.45 million

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veterans in our great state, and

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overall for veterans, and then

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172,000 of those are female

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veterans.

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And this is very, very important

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because both categories rank

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number 2 in the nation for

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veterans.

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Overall veterans and female

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veterans.

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In hillsborough county alone

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drilling down, we have 97,000

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veterans.

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We are the number 1 county most

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populated veterans in the state

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of florida.

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Additionally we have as I

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mentioneds earlier county owned

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property.

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The four acres and thank mny

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thanks to commissioner cepeda

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for working this several years

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with me, we've obtained this and

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it's right next to the veterans

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memorial park.

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It's a perfect location because

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it's also adjacent to our

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veterans resource center where

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frank strom runs his county

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veteran services officers that

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provides many beneficial

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services to our veterans.

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Equally important transportation

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wise it's along major bus routes

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that can get our veterans to and

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from james haley which is

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12 miles in distance.

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The second slide I want to point

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out, it points out to the robust

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community resource network that

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we enjoy here in hillsborough

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county and the wraparound

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services that address not only

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our housing services but also

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other critical support that

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veterans need to sustain their

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physical, mental, financial, and

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spiritual health.

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And here in hillsborough county

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we're fortunate again to offer

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our one stop shop and

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coordination point through these

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services through our department

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of consumer and veteran services

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again led by frank strom and

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supported by his county veteran

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00:21:16,851 --> 00:21:17,952
service officers who also

582
00:21:17,952 --> 00:21:20,789
complement at the state level

583
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:23,692
the veteran service officers and officers and

584
00:21:23,692 --> 00:21:24,226
veteran claim examiners.

585
00:21:24,226 --> 00:21:26,427
>> ken hagan: thank you.

586
00:21:26,427 --> 00:21:27,295
Appreciate your comments, sir.

587
00:21:27,295 --> 00:21:29,295
Linda grabowsky.

588
00:21:30,364 --> 00:21:32,764
And then denise herndon.

589
00:21:33,367 --> 00:21:35,767
And then sergret doss.

590
00:21:37,605 --> 00:21:39,400
Good morning.

591
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,430
>> it's bringing -- okay.

592
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:41,910
I have no problem with

593
00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:43,910
hillsborough county increasing

594
00:21:46,848 --> 00:21:49,248
the annual stormwater management

595
00:21:49,718 --> 00:21:52,554
assessment if the money pays for

596
00:21:52,554 --> 00:21:55,524
experts to be on their public

597
00:21:55,524 --> 00:21:58,193
works staff, specialists who can

598
00:21:58,193 --> 00:22:00,262
draw science backed conclusions

599
00:22:00,262 --> 00:22:02,262
about land use.

600
00:22:02,497 --> 00:22:04,333
And when these professionals

601
00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:06,401
make a judgment call about a

602
00:22:06,401 --> 00:22:07,236
parcel of land --

603
00:22:07,236 --> 00:22:07,803
>> ken hagan: ma'am, can I just

604
00:22:07,803 --> 00:22:09,505
say one thing?

605
00:22:09,505 --> 00:22:10,873
That hearing is actually d. 4.

606
00:22:10,873 --> 00:22:11,874
Would you rather speak now

607
00:22:11,874 --> 00:22:12,975
instead of then?

608
00:22:12,975 --> 00:22:14,376
>> if I could.

609
00:22:14,376 --> 00:22:16,712
>> ken hagan: yeah, that's fine.

610
00:22:16,712 --> 00:22:20,912
Just want to make sure you knew.

611
00:22:21,216 --> 00:22:22,785
Please continue.

612
00:22:22,785 --> 00:22:25,254
>> if the professionals make a

613
00:22:25,254 --> 00:22:27,456
judgment call about a parcel of

614
00:22:27,456 --> 00:22:30,920
land that the other county

615
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,527
employees pay attention to them,

616
00:22:32,527 --> 00:22:35,364
especially the people who grant

617
00:22:35,364 --> 00:22:37,364
building permits.

618
00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:39,668
If during big rain events the

619
00:22:39,668 --> 00:22:42,271
experts say that a certain area

620
00:22:42,271 --> 00:22:45,241
will be at maximum capacity for

621
00:22:45,241 --> 00:22:46,808
stormwater runoff control, there

622
00:22:46,808 --> 00:22:49,512
should be no more building in

623
00:22:49,512 --> 00:22:51,380
that area.

624
00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:53,150
Because essentially the experts

625
00:22:53,150 --> 00:22:56,585
are saying there is nowhere for

626
00:22:56,585 --> 00:22:59,989
the stormwater to go except onto

627
00:22:59,989 --> 00:23:01,989
other people's property.

628
00:23:02,323 --> 00:23:03,959
It is not fair for sun city

629
00:23:03,959 --> 00:23:06,959
center and kings point and

630
00:23:07,128 --> 00:23:09,128
freedom plaza established

631
00:23:09,898 --> 00:23:12,298
communities, homes that have

632
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:16,270
been there for 30, 40, 50, 60

633
00:23:16,872 --> 00:23:17,974
years to have stormwater

634
00:23:17,974 --> 00:23:19,974
inundating their properties

635
00:23:20,509 --> 00:23:22,712
because some corporation or

636
00:23:22,712 --> 00:23:25,112
contractor incesters want to

637
00:23:25,214 --> 00:23:28,417
build above 19th avenue or on

638
00:23:28,417 --> 00:23:30,987
either side of is cypress

639
00:23:30,987 --> 00:23:32,987
village boulevard.

640
00:23:35,658 --> 00:23:36,492
Those low lying service a

641
00:23:36,492 --> 00:23:39,492
purpose, and just because we've

642
00:23:39,796 --> 00:23:43,396
had a number of droughts in

643
00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:46,836
recent years and they appear to

644
00:23:46,836 --> 00:23:48,104
be lots you can build on, that

645
00:23:48,104 --> 00:23:49,805
land should not be built on and

646
00:23:49,805 --> 00:23:53,405
the proof is in the flood

647
00:23:53,710 --> 00:23:55,144
insurance rate map.

648
00:23:55,144 --> 00:23:59,944
I want to make you aware of the

649
00:24:01,217 --> 00:24:04,217
fact that in 19 -- 2024, cypress

650
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,956
creek ran backwards into sun

651
00:24:06,956 --> 00:24:11,156
city and not out of sun city,

652
00:24:11,261 --> 00:24:13,563
this is a huge shift.

653
00:24:13,563 --> 00:24:16,563
Please listen to the experts,

654
00:24:17,660 --> 00:24:18,300
lese protect the 55-plus

655
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:21,300
communities down on the south

656
00:24:22,804 --> 00:24:24,974
part of the county, and we're

657
00:24:24,974 --> 00:24:25,475
vulnerable, and we need your

658
00:24:25,475 --> 00:24:27,475
protection.

659
00:24:27,609 --> 00:24:29,779
And I thank you very much.

660
00:24:29,779 --> 00:24:30,313
>> ken hagan: thank you,

661
00:24:30,313 --> 00:24:32,313
MS. Grabowsky.

662
00:24:32,548 --> 00:24:32,982
>> can you say your name for the

663
00:24:32,982 --> 00:24:33,749
record.

664
00:24:33,749 --> 00:24:34,850
>> I'm sorry.

665
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:36,352
Linda grabowsky.

666
00:24:36,352 --> 00:24:37,921
>> ken hagan: all right, denise

667
00:24:37,921 --> 00:24:40,921
herndon, and then sergret doss,

668
00:24:41,224 --> 00:24:41,657
and then we have a hannah

669
00:24:41,657 --> 00:24:42,892
schultz.

670
00:24:42,892 --> 00:24:44,961
Your issue is the second public

671
00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:46,630
hearing d. 2, so you can either

672
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:46,963
speak now or when that one comes

673
00:24:46,963 --> 00:24:47,497
up.

674
00:24:47,497 --> 00:24:49,699
It's up to you.

675
00:24:49,699 --> 00:24:52,990
Good morning, MS. Herndon.

676
00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:53,536
>> good morning, I'm denise

677
00:24:53,536 --> 00:24:55,536
herndon.

678
00:24:56,273 --> 00:24:58,475
I found out this morning why the

679
00:24:58,475 --> 00:25:00,900
sheriff's association is

680
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,900
associated with so many pieces

681
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,820
of equipment that doesn't relate

682
00:25:06,820 --> 00:25:08,820
to this.

683
00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:11,254
Sheriffs it's like a family

684
00:25:11,254 --> 00:25:13,254
affair.

685
00:25:15,425 --> 00:25:17,594
When the, have an employee work

686
00:25:17,594 --> 00:25:19,696
at like a ford dealer, get a

687
00:25:19,696 --> 00:25:21,696
family discount.

688
00:25:21,932 --> 00:25:25,836
So my main thing that I also

689
00:25:25,836 --> 00:25:29,272
wanted to talk about is that we

690
00:25:29,272 --> 00:25:30,573
had a state come in and do an

691
00:25:30,573 --> 00:25:31,741
audit and they had said just a

692
00:25:31,741 --> 00:25:35,341
two-day so I know they didn't

693
00:25:35,712 --> 00:25:38,112
find everything, and in 2025,

694
00:25:41,285 --> 00:25:43,520
our millage rate was 18.2515,

695
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,556
and then the state said that we

696
00:25:46,556 --> 00:25:48,959
can lower it one mill.

697
00:25:48,959 --> 00:25:50,427
Well, you guys are I'm sure will

698
00:25:50,427 --> 00:25:52,427
increase the tax.

699
00:25:52,629 --> 00:25:55,629
We've got refunded if anybody

700
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:01,237
had chosen to get it because of

701
00:26:01,237 --> 00:26:03,730
the 1% transportation tax that

702
00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:03,507
florida supreme court said was

703
00:26:03,507 --> 00:26:05,507
illegal.

704
00:26:06,276 --> 00:26:09,580
Well, we have a bed tax, and

705
00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:11,582
that bed tax is paying for

706
00:26:11,582 --> 00:26:15,182
things three times over I found

707
00:26:19,456 --> 00:26:19,723
out, and that florida statute is

708
00:26:19,723 --> 00:26:21,723
125.0104.

709
00:26:22,693 --> 00:26:24,762
It pays for constructing,

710
00:26:24,762 --> 00:26:26,729
maintaining, paying debt service

711
00:26:26,729 --> 00:26:29,129
on convention centers, sports

712
00:26:31,368 --> 00:26:33,368
arenas, and coliseums.

713
00:26:36,205 --> 00:26:38,843
Well, gwen myers and you five

714
00:26:38,843 --> 00:26:40,410
other county commissioners have

715
00:26:40,410 --> 00:26:44,610
voted to have the rays come here

716
00:26:45,249 --> 00:26:47,751
and use the cit tax which is

717
00:26:47,751 --> 00:26:48,152
supposed to be not for a rays

718
00:26:48,152 --> 00:26:49,853
stadium.

719
00:26:49,853 --> 00:26:53,257
Ye care -- I don't care about

720
00:26:53,257 --> 00:26:54,358
the rays stadium being here.

721
00:26:54,358 --> 00:26:55,359
The $800 million that the county

722
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,695
taxpayers are going to pay is

723
00:26:57,695 --> 00:27:00,695
not a one and done.

724
00:27:01,650 --> 00:27:02,660
But you county commissioners and

725
00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:04,134
agan, you've been on the

726
00:27:04,134 --> 00:27:06,134
commission for 24 years,

727
00:27:07,104 --> 00:27:08,472
sidewalks, roads, r not -- are

728
00:27:08,472 --> 00:27:10,908
not one and done and that's how

729
00:27:10,908 --> 00:27:11,308
they've been treated is one and

730
00:27:11,308 --> 00:27:13,308
done.

731
00:27:14,611 --> 00:27:17,214
We will own this stadium, and so

732
00:27:17,214 --> 00:27:20,814
we're getting bed tax, from all

733
00:27:21,786 --> 00:27:25,386
the hotels, and then there was

734
00:27:26,557 --> 00:27:28,910
brought up for taking main sail,

735
00:27:28,910 --> 00:27:30,940
so the county employees don't

736
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:32,630
have to sleep on the floor and

737
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:34,630
share bathrooms.

738
00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:37,565
Well, everybody else does, so

739
00:27:37,902 --> 00:27:41,502
why can't the people taking care

740
00:27:42,139 --> 00:27:43,841
of storm stuff instead of buy a

741
00:27:43,841 --> 00:27:45,343
trailer with showers.

742
00:27:45,343 --> 00:27:46,643
Buy blowup mattresses.

743
00:27:46,643 --> 00:27:49,513
We have enough county buildings

744
00:27:49,513 --> 00:27:51,616
to support it versus taking a

745
00:27:51,616 --> 00:27:53,885
vacation at main sail.

746
00:27:53,885 --> 00:27:54,451
>> ken hagan: thank you,

747
00:27:54,451 --> 00:27:56,451
s. Herndon.

748
00:27:59,724 --> 00:28:01,724
Sergret doss.

749
00:28:05,290 --> 00:28:05,563
Good morning, sir.

750
00:28:05,563 --> 00:28:07,231
>> I appreciate that.

751
00:28:07,231 --> 00:28:07,999
`good morning, my name is surgret

752
00:28:07,999 --> 00:28:09,133
doss and I was going to talk

753
00:28:09,133 --> 00:28:10,567
about a couple of other things

754
00:28:10,567 --> 00:28:10,935
but I'm glad we have veteran

755
00:28:10,935 --> 00:28:12,935
representation.

756
00:28:13,170 --> 00:28:15,673
And I don't care what amount of

757
00:28:15,673 --> 00:28:16,807
money is set aside or the board

758
00:28:16,807 --> 00:28:19,177
asked the county to give.

759
00:28:19,177 --> 00:28:19,977
It's not going to be enough, so

760
00:28:19,977 --> 00:28:20,945
it should be given.

761
00:28:20,945 --> 00:28:23,140
And because I'm glad that the

762
00:28:23,140 --> 00:28:24,315
rays are going to be here in

763
00:28:24,315 --> 00:28:26,850
tampa, but we can never talk

764
00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:27,285
about money anymore for veteran

765
00:28:27,285 --> 00:28:29,120
services.

766
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,122
More importantly, there are some

767
00:28:31,122 --> 00:28:33,522
veterans who actually run

768
00:28:33,591 --> 00:28:35,226
transitional housing for

769
00:28:35,226 --> 00:28:37,628
veterans that I don't know if

770
00:28:37,628 --> 00:28:39,697
the county reached out to them,

771
00:28:39,697 --> 00:28:45,970
or -- run by -- who was -- waldo

772
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:47,706
wooder actually, who has -- 51 c

773
00:28:47,706 --> 00:28:49,307
3 yet but transitional housing

774
00:28:49,307 --> 00:28:51,420
and he would welcome veterans.

775
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:52,744
In fact he is a veteran.

776
00:28:52,744 --> 00:28:53,945
And the veteran treatment court

777
00:28:53,945 --> 00:28:55,180
that I've noticed downstairs

778
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:56,281
I've never been asked to go to

779
00:28:56,281 --> 00:28:57,315
one of these courts and we all

780
00:28:57,315 --> 00:28:58,516
know that I have a case in front

781
00:28:58,516 --> 00:29:00,485
of the united states supreme

782
00:29:00,485 --> 00:29:04,850
court for a travesty that I

783
00:29:04,556 --> 00:29:05,230
suffered here in hillsborough

784
00:29:05,230 --> 00:29:05,856
county.

785
00:29:05,856 --> 00:29:06,991
I've had numerous other issues

786
00:29:06,991 --> 00:29:08,527
that for some reason the county

787
00:29:08,527 --> 00:29:09,494
has just turned a blind eye to.

788
00:29:09,494 --> 00:29:11,463
I don't need you to intervene.

789
00:29:11,463 --> 00:29:14,650
I just need you if you're an

790
00:29:14,650 --> 00:29:14,766
attorney here to do your job.

791
00:29:14,766 --> 00:29:15,767
If you're on the county

792
00:29:15,767 --> 00:29:17,436
commission I raise an issue like

793
00:29:17,436 --> 00:29:18,669
why the county turned a blind

794
00:29:18,669 --> 00:29:19,937
eye to over a million dollars

795
00:29:19,937 --> 00:29:21,473
worth of my property being taken

796
00:29:21,473 --> 00:29:22,274
without me having a day in

797
00:29:22,274 --> 00:29:24,274
court, there

798
00:29:24,375 --> 00:29:26,578
and instead of having a

799
00:29:26,578 --> 00:29:27,445
day in court, what they did was

800
00:29:27,445 --> 00:29:28,980
invited me to defend myself

801
00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:29,447
against a crime that I never

802
00:29:29,447 --> 00:29:30,749
imhitted.

803
00:29:30,749 --> 00:29:31,516
That ways -- committed and that

804
00:29:31,516 --> 00:29:32,817
case was won.

805
00:29:32,817 --> 00:29:36,210
Don't take my word for it.

806
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:37,888
Look it up, my name is sergret

807
00:29:37,888 --> 00:29:41,488
urania doss, you can find the

808
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,595
case 2017-cf-9089 where I was

809
00:29:43,595 --> 00:29:46,530
accused at the time a sitting

810
00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:48,966
judge in the mayor's head of

811
00:29:48,966 --> 00:29:49,467
security for perjuring a special

812
00:29:49,467 --> 00:29:50,402
proceeding.

813
00:29:50,402 --> 00:29:52,337
I won the case presented.

814
00:29:52,337 --> 00:29:53,272
Another issue he had is for some

815
00:29:53,272 --> 00:29:54,572
reason we don't have enough

816
00:29:54,572 --> 00:29:56,307
attorneys on board that are

817
00:29:56,307 --> 00:29:58,707
willing to help veterans.

818
00:29:58,944 --> 00:30:01,944
And the cost of representation

819
00:30:02,114 --> 00:30:03,215
at anyway in anything is awfully

820
00:30:03,215 --> 00:30:04,449
high.

821
00:30:04,449 --> 00:30:05,584
But for some reason we have

822
00:30:05,584 --> 00:30:06,318
money for everything except

823
00:30:06,318 --> 00:30:07,519
taking care of the people who

824
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,454
are willing to give their lives

825
00:30:09,454 --> 00:30:10,688
to take care of this country.

826
00:30:10,688 --> 00:30:12,688
That's unacceptable.

827
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:14,960
And it doesn't matter if you're

828
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,663
red, blue, green, black, brown,

829
00:30:17,663 --> 00:30:18,964
gay, straight, or whatever.

830
00:30:18,964 --> 00:30:22,564
I don't care where you're from.

831
00:30:22,835 --> 00:30:25,837
If you put on an uniform you are

832
00:30:25,837 --> 00:30:29,141
part of less than 7% of the --

833
00:30:29,141 --> 00:30:30,743
who've ever been in combat.

834
00:30:30,743 --> 00:30:31,430
And we give too much lip service

835
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:33,430
to it.

836
00:30:33,112 --> 00:30:34,980
We often hear thank you for your

837
00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:37,483
service, and my standard answer

838
00:30:37,483 --> 00:30:39,840
is it was my honor to do so.

839
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,120
But for those who aren't here to

840
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,988
speak for themselves, a lot more

841
00:30:42,988 --> 00:30:44,757
needs to be done oon behalf of

842
00:30:44,757 --> 00:30:46,900
the veterans to include the two

843
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:47,590
veterans that are sitting on

844
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:47,526
this board here today and your

845
00:30:47,526 --> 00:30:49,526
attorneys as well.

846
00:30:50,229 --> 00:30:51,564
I made my statements clear.

847
00:30:51,564 --> 00:30:55,164
I'm glad the rays are here.

848
00:30:55,734 --> 00:30:56,635
Two former rays are graduates of

849
00:30:56,635 --> 00:30:58,704
the greatest institution of

850
00:30:58,704 --> 00:30:59,504
higher education in the -- the

851
00:30:59,504 --> 00:31:01,240
university of thomas jefferson

852
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,140
high school.

853
00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:03,142
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir,

854
00:31:03,142 --> 00:31:03,976
appreciate the comments.

855
00:31:03,976 --> 00:31:05,111
Hannah schultzy.

856
00:31:05,111 --> 00:31:09,311
Did you want to speak now or

857
00:31:14,286 --> 00:31:15,870
during the public hearing?

858
00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:16,550
Good morning.

859
00:31:16,550 --> 00:31:16,588
>> all right, good morning,

860
00:31:16,588 --> 00:31:18,588
commissioners.

861
00:31:18,690 --> 00:31:19,592
My name is hannah -- and I'm

862
00:31:19,592 --> 00:31:20,726
here today because I believe we

863
00:31:20,726 --> 00:31:22,862
are actually losing sight of who

864
00:31:22,862 --> 00:31:24,864
is going to bear the burdens of

865
00:31:24,864 --> 00:31:25,998
this ordinance.

866
00:31:25,998 --> 00:31:27,166
I want to start by saying

867
00:31:27,166 --> 00:31:28,867
something very clearly.

868
00:31:28,867 --> 00:31:31,637
I'm not asking you to protect

869
00:31:31,637 --> 00:31:33,637
bad operators.

870
00:31:33,639 --> 00:31:34,740
If someone is throwing a party,

871
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:36,709
violating occupancy limits,

872
00:31:36,709 --> 00:31:38,811
creating noise problems, safety

873
00:31:38,811 --> 00:31:41,211
hazards, or repeatedly violating

874
00:31:43,215 --> 00:31:43,716
existing laws, then hold them

875
00:31:43,716 --> 00:31:44,584
accountable.

876
00:31:44,584 --> 00:31:46,619
But do not confuse the bad

877
00:31:46,619 --> 00:31:48,453
actors with the thousands of

878
00:31:48,453 --> 00:31:51,453
ordinary property owners who are

879
00:31:51,757 --> 00:31:52,558
simply trying to make a living,

880
00:31:52,558 --> 00:31:54,958
protect their investment, and

881
00:31:55,261 --> 00:31:55,695
have a place to call home in

882
00:31:55,695 --> 00:31:56,895
florida.

883
00:31:56,895 --> 00:31:58,197
Because there are a real

884
00:31:58,197 --> 00:31:59,732
difference between a large

885
00:31:59,732 --> 00:32:02,670
corporation owning dozens or

886
00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:04,637
hundreds of properties, and an

887
00:32:04,637 --> 00:32:05,438
ordinary person owning one

888
00:32:05,438 --> 00:32:06,172
vacation home.

889
00:32:06,172 --> 00:32:09,172
Think about the person that

890
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,780
works their entire life buys a

891
00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:15,780
modest home, saves their money,

892
00:32:15,648 --> 00:32:17,583
and wants to spend the winter as

893
00:32:17,583 --> 00:32:19,419
a snowbird in florida.

894
00:32:19,419 --> 00:32:22,888
They live here a few months and

895
00:32:22,888 --> 00:32:24,289
when they go home they rent the

896
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:25,625
property for a portion to pay

897
00:32:25,625 --> 00:32:27,260
the -- this isn't a

898
00:32:27,260 --> 00:32:29,429
corporations, a hotel chain, or

899
00:32:29,429 --> 00:32:30,329
some faceless investment fund.

900
00:32:30,329 --> 00:32:32,329
This isany

901
00:32:33,199 --> 00:32:34,267
is an everyday person

902
00:32:34,267 --> 00:32:35,235
rying to afford their piece of

903
00:32:35,235 --> 00:32:36,503
the american dream, and those

904
00:32:36,503 --> 00:32:38,903
people are already facing

905
00:32:39,439 --> 00:32:41,407
enormous costs by ways of

906
00:32:41,407 --> 00:32:43,807
insurance, taxes, repairs, hoa

907
00:32:43,843 --> 00:32:46,843
fees, and now we're proposing

908
00:32:47,113 --> 00:32:48,548
another layer of governmental

909
00:32:48,548 --> 00:32:50,517
red tape and an annual fee on

910
00:32:50,517 --> 00:32:51,650
top of everything else.

911
00:32:51,650 --> 00:32:52,552
His proposed ordinance will

912
00:32:52,552 --> 00:32:54,552
require every short-term

913
00:32:54,553 --> 00:32:56,556
vacation rental to register and

914
00:32:56,556 --> 00:32:58,191
pay $200 a year while also

915
00:32:58,191 --> 00:33:00,126
requiring a local responsible

916
00:33:00,126 --> 00:33:02,128
party around the clock.

917
00:33:02,128 --> 00:33:02,863
The county estimates more than

918
00:33:02,863 --> 00:33:04,863
3,000 properties could be

919
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:07,132
`affected earning an estimated

920
00:33:07,132 --> 00:33:08,501
600 k in one year alone.

921
00:33:08,501 --> 00:33:10,770
With a corporation with hundreds

922
00:33:10,770 --> 00:33:12,720
of properties, $200 is simply a

923
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,640
rounding error.

924
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,342
For an ordinary person who

925
00:33:15,342 --> 00:33:17,760
bought one property as a

926
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,712
retirement plan, every

927
00:33:18,712 --> 00:33:20,680
additional cost matters, and

928
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,147
that's what concerns me the

929
00:33:21,147 --> 00:33:22,549
most.

930
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:24,450
Regulations like this are much

931
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:25,886
larger for large companies to

932
00:33:25,886 --> 00:33:28,822
absorb than they are for

933
00:33:28,822 --> 00:33:30,257
individual owners: the people

934
00:33:30,257 --> 00:33:32,559
with the deepest pockets can pay

935
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,462
the fees, hire attorneys, and

936
00:33:35,462 --> 00:33:36,196
absorb another regulation: the

937
00:33:36,196 --> 00:33:38,196
little guy cannot.

938
00:33:38,398 --> 00:33:40,367
And if we make it too expensive

939
00:33:40,367 --> 00:33:43,367
or too complicated for ordinary

940
00:33:43,437 --> 00:33:43,670
people to participate, who is

941
00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:45,305
left?

942
00:33:45,305 --> 00:33:47,307
The large investors and

943
00:33:47,307 --> 00:33:48,208
companies that can keep, afford

944
00:33:48,208 --> 00:33:49,142
to buy properties while

945
00:33:49,142 --> 00:33:49,509
individual families get pushed

946
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:51,345
out?

947
00:33:51,345 --> 00:33:52,112
I think the board should also be

948
00:33:52,112 --> 00:33:53,746
especially careful about the

949
00:33:53,746 --> 00:33:55,648
appearance of influence.

950
00:33:55,648 --> 00:33:57,317
I recently reviewed the public

951
00:33:57,317 --> 00:33:58,518
campaign records and

952
00:33:58,518 --> 00:33:59,953
commissioner cohen's campaign

953
00:33:59,953 --> 00:34:00,954
received a generation donation

954
00:34:00,954 --> 00:34:03,354
from the apartment action

955
00:34:03,657 --> 00:34:04,124
committee on JUNE 9th of this

956
00:34:04,124 --> 00:34:05,659
year.

957
00:34:05,659 --> 00:34:06,860
This organization openly says

958
00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:07,961
its purpose is to support

959
00:34:07,961 --> 00:34:10,361
candidates who understand and

960
00:34:11,632 --> 00:34:12,399
support the apartment industry's

961
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:14,267
interests and to build

962
00:34:14,267 --> 00:34:14,734
relationships with elected

963
00:34:14,734 --> 00:34:16,370
officials.

964
00:34:16,370 --> 00:34:17,237
>> ken hagan: thank you.

965
00:34:17,237 --> 00:34:17,805
Appreciate your comments.

966
00:34:17,805 --> 00:34:19,805
>> thank you.

967
00:34:20,874 --> 00:34:23,874
>> ken hagan: our next speaker,

968
00:34:27,781 --> 00:34:30,181
viva yochillis, molly finkel,

969
00:34:31,585 --> 00:34:32,486
virtual alawn jovony -- is

970
00:34:32,486 --> 00:34:33,354
yochillis here?

971
00:34:33,354 --> 00:34:35,354
Please come down.

972
00:34:44,498 --> 00:34:45,266
Molly finkel will be next.

973
00:34:45,266 --> 00:34:46,700
Good morning.

974
00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:47,467
>> good morning.

975
00:34:47,467 --> 00:34:49,467
And good morning.

976
00:34:50,437 --> 00:34:51,872
My name is viva -- and I live

977
00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:54,272
here in south tampa.

978
00:34:54,374 --> 00:34:55,276
Thank you for your support of

979
00:34:55,276 --> 00:34:55,943
fiba and everything you have

980
00:34:55,943 --> 00:34:57,711
been doing for our community.

981
00:34:57,711 --> 00:34:59,346
I'm here because I believe in

982
00:34:59,346 --> 00:35:01,346
something very simple.

983
00:35:01,549 --> 00:35:03,384
Fairness and equal treatment.

984
00:35:03,384 --> 00:35:05,820
I'm asking you to look at fiba

985
00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:08,589
for what it actually is, a

986
00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:10,557
florida based economic

987
00:35:10,557 --> 00:35:12,957
organization focused on bringing

988
00:35:13,930 --> 00:35:15,493
business, investment, and jobs

989
00:35:15,496 --> 00:35:17,310
to hillsborough county.

990
00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:18,866
If -- is legally operating in

991
00:35:18,866 --> 00:35:21,266
florida and brings result,

992
00:35:21,836 --> 00:35:22,970
creating jobs, and attracting

993
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:25,840
investments, I believe it should

994
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,142
be judged by those results.

995
00:35:28,142 --> 00:35:29,777
Fiba reports that 20 companies

996
00:35:29,777 --> 00:35:30,978
already have an established

997
00:35:30,978 --> 00:35:33,280
presence here in hillsborough

998
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:33,981
county, and creating over 70

999
00:35:33,981 --> 00:35:35,981
direct jobs.

1000
00:35:36,183 --> 00:35:39,183
Those are jobs and investment

1001
00:35:39,187 --> 00:35:40,421
here in our community these are

1002
00:35:40,421 --> 00:35:42,889
results that affect the lives of

1003
00:35:42,889 --> 00:35:43,357
real people right here in our

1004
00:35:43,357 --> 00:35:44,691
county.

1005
00:35:44,691 --> 00:35:45,459
So I'm anding the commission to

1006
00:35:45,459 --> 00:35:46,461
apply -- I'm asking the

1007
00:35:46,461 --> 00:35:47,227
commission to apply the same

1008
00:35:47,227 --> 00:35:48,529
standard to everyone.

1009
00:35:48,529 --> 00:35:50,640
Before you judge fiba ask

1010
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,132
yourself, does it create jobs?

1011
00:35:52,132 --> 00:35:54,101
Does it attract investment?

1012
00:35:54,101 --> 00:35:54,534
Does it benefit hillsborough

1013
00:35:54,534 --> 00:35:56,104
county?

1014
00:35:56,104 --> 00:35:58,504
The numbers don't lie.

1015
00:35:58,606 --> 00:36:01,676
The answer to all, if the answer

1016
00:36:01,676 --> 00:36:03,677
to all those three questions is

1017
00:36:03,677 --> 00:36:04,578
yes for me, that's what it's all

1018
00:36:04,578 --> 00:36:06,470
about.

1019
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:07,214
Fairness, equal treatment, and

1020
00:36:07,214 --> 00:36:08,383
the community where I live.

1021
00:36:08,383 --> 00:36:09,650
Thank you so much.

1022
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:10,840
>> ken hagan: thank you for your

1023
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,819
comments.

1024
00:36:11,819 --> 00:36:13,819
Molly finkel.

1025
00:36:15,757 --> 00:36:17,525
And is then alain giovanni and

1026
00:36:17,525 --> 00:36:18,159
last name latrininger.

1027
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:18,993
Both virtual.

1028
00:36:18,993 --> 00:36:20,628
>> good morning, commissioners.

1029
00:36:20,628 --> 00:36:21,796
My name is molly finkal and I'm

1030
00:36:21,796 --> 00:36:23,731
a resident of tampa.

1031
00:36:23,731 --> 00:36:24,732
I grew up in tampa, and I

1032
00:36:24,732 --> 00:36:27,368
returned several years ago to

1033
00:36:27,368 --> 00:36:28,536
raise my family here.

1034
00:36:28,536 --> 00:36:29,437
I'd like to thank you for your

1035
00:36:29,437 --> 00:36:31,339
continued support and investment

1036
00:36:31,339 --> 00:36:32,674
in the florida israel business

1037
00:36:32,674 --> 00:36:34,674
accelerator or fiba.

1038
00:36:34,742 --> 00:36:38,342
I learned of an outsized number

1039
00:36:39,614 --> 00:36:40,480
of public comments targeted a

1040
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,716
$37,500 line item in

1041
00:36:41,716 --> 00:36:42,584
hillsborough county's 2027

1042
00:36:42,584 --> 00:36:44,584
budget proposal.

1043
00:36:44,652 --> 00:36:45,887
These comments are part of a

1044
00:36:45,887 --> 00:36:47,887
coordinated political campaign

1045
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:49,390
designed to delegitimize israel

1046
00:36:49,390 --> 00:36:51,159
and anybody with any connection

1047
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:52,794
to the country.

1048
00:36:52,794 --> 00:36:54,229
This organized social media

1049
00:36:54,229 --> 00:36:56,197
driven campaign called fight

1050
00:36:56,197 --> 00:36:57,532
back fiba shares email templates

1051
00:36:57,532 --> 00:36:58,600
and phone scripts and offers

1052
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,834
virtual training sessions for

1053
00:36:59,834 --> 00:37:01,369
public comment.

1054
00:37:01,369 --> 00:37:03,769
The provided talking points

1055
00:37:03,805 --> 00:37:06,174
demand, quote, removing all

1056
00:37:06,174 --> 00:37:08,430
funding to israeli companies.

1057
00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:09,100
The campaign is built on lies

1058
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:10,545
regarding both fiba's

1059
00:37:10,545 --> 00:37:11,680
relationship with the state of

1060
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,315
israel and actions of the state

1061
00:37:13,315 --> 00:37:14,683
of israel itself.

1062
00:37:14,683 --> 00:37:16,383
Fiba does not give money to

1063
00:37:16,383 --> 00:37:17,586
israel but rather brings

1064
00:37:17,586 --> 00:37:19,254
economic activity here to

1065
00:37:19,254 --> 00:37:20,589
hillsborough county.

1066
00:37:20,589 --> 00:37:21,923
The economic development budget

1067
00:37:21,923 --> 00:37:23,858
should be judged on the return

1068
00:37:23,858 --> 00:37:25,858
on this investment.

1069
00:37:26,728 --> 00:37:29,128
The campaign uses the

1070
00:37:30,231 --> 00:37:31,699
antizionist genocide libel and

1071
00:37:31,699 --> 00:37:32,367
its -- in its online messaging

1072
00:37:32,367 --> 00:37:33,769
and public comments.

1073
00:37:33,769 --> 00:37:34,636
This libel is completely

1074
00:37:34,636 --> 00:37:35,337
irrelevant to the county

1075
00:37:35,337 --> 00:37:36,271
commission's objectives.

1076
00:37:36,271 --> 00:37:37,806
I trust you will not be fooled

1077
00:37:37,806 --> 00:37:40,206
by this activist agenda.

1078
00:37:40,241 --> 00:37:41,877
Thank you for continuing to put

1079
00:37:41,877 --> 00:37:43,311
hillsborough county's economic

1080
00:37:43,311 --> 00:37:45,711
well-being and development oer

1081
00:37:45,948 --> 00:37:47,349
a political campaign.

1082
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:49,117
Keep international political

1083
00:37:49,117 --> 00:37:51,119
agendas out of local politics.

1084
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:51,887
Thank you for supporting fiba.

1085
00:37:51,887 --> 00:37:52,387
>> ken hagan: thank you,

1086
00:37:52,387 --> 00:37:53,521
MS. Finkel.

1087
00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:55,521
Appreciate the comments.

1088
00:37:58,727 --> 00:38:01,727
Is there elan jovony online,

1089
00:38:03,331 --> 00:38:05,331
virtual?

1090
00:38:05,434 --> 00:38:07,434
>> yes, I'm here.

1091
00:38:09,538 --> 00:38:09,905
>> ken hagan: yep, please go

1092
00:38:09,905 --> 00:38:11,206
ahead.

1093
00:38:11,206 --> 00:38:13,206
>> good morning, commissioners.

1094
00:38:14,243 --> 00:38:16,445
My name is elaine giovanni I

1095
00:38:16,445 --> 00:38:16,645
live in tampa for the last eight

1096
00:38:16,645 --> 00:38:17,880
years.

1097
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,981
I would like to open for

1098
00:38:19,981 --> 00:38:20,849
thanking you for your ongoing

1099
00:38:20,849 --> 00:38:22,718
support for fiba.

1100
00:38:22,718 --> 00:38:24,353
Next I want to address one

1101
00:38:24,353 --> 00:38:25,955
company that has become central

1102
00:38:25,955 --> 00:38:29,224
to the campaign against fiba and

1103
00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:30,159
this company's extent.

1104
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:33,195
`there is an important farct that

1105
00:38:33,195 --> 00:38:33,696
should not be lost in this

1106
00:38:33,696 --> 00:38:35,696
discussion.

1107
00:38:35,698 --> 00:38:37,232
Extend shows tampa for its

1108
00:38:37,232 --> 00:38:40,232
headquarters -- chose tampa for

1109
00:38:41,737 --> 00:38:43,506
its hs because of its proximy to -- who we all know for

1110
00:38:43,506 --> 00:38:45,906
essential to tampa's company.

1111
00:38:47,409 --> 00:38:48,177
Both fiba and the tampa bay

1112
00:38:48,177 --> 00:38:50,120
economic council supported the

1113
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,547
decision because it aligned with

1114
00:38:51,547 --> 00:38:52,882
their mission to attract

1115
00:38:52,882 --> 00:38:54,517
companies, investments, and jobs

1116
00:38:54,517 --> 00:38:56,285
to ou community.

1117
00:38:56,285 --> 00:38:58,587
We should look at what extend

1118
00:38:58,587 --> 00:38:59,550
means economically for

1119
00:38:59,550 --> 00:39:01,550
hillsborough county.

1120
00:39:01,657 --> 00:39:03,392
In just one year, extend hired

1121
00:39:03,392 --> 00:39:05,392
30 local employees,

1122
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,280
predominantly retired special

1123
00:39:13,369 --> 00:39:16,905
operators and pays off -- and

1124
00:39:16,905 --> 00:39:19,905
pays an average salary of

1125
00:39:20,309 --> 00:39:22,780
approximately $125,000 a year.

1126
00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:23,212
The company -- 50,000 square

1127
00:39:23,212 --> 00:39:26,212
feet of commercial real estate

1128
00:39:27,550 --> 00:39:28,484
in east tampa for $27,000 per

1129
00:39:28,484 --> 00:39:30,486
month, that's an investment in

1130
00:39:30,486 --> 00:39:32,455
our great community.

1131
00:39:32,455 --> 00:39:35,424
People MAY have strong opinions

1132
00:39:35,424 --> 00:39:36,224
about defense technology or

1133
00:39:36,224 --> 00:39:38,224
international conflict.

1134
00:39:38,294 --> 00:39:38,761
They're entitled to those

1135
00:39:38,761 --> 00:39:40,761
opinions.

1136
00:39:40,797 --> 00:39:42,664
But those issues should not be

1137
00:39:42,664 --> 00:39:46,264
confused with the role of fiba.

1138
00:39:46,502 --> 00:39:46,969
Fiba is not the israeli

1139
00:39:46,969 --> 00:39:48,400
government.

1140
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:48,471
Fiba does not make military

1141
00:39:48,471 --> 00:39:50,471
decisions.

1142
00:39:51,307 --> 00:39:51,808
Fiba's job is economic

1143
00:39:51,808 --> 00:39:53,808
development.

1144
00:39:54,377 --> 00:39:56,450
So let's evaluate fiba based on

1145
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:56,913
its actual role and measurable

1146
00:39:56,913 --> 00:39:58,913
local results.

1147
00:39:59,649 --> 00:40:01,583
Let's not turn an economic

1148
00:40:01,583 --> 00:40:03,218
development discussion into a

1149
00:40:03,218 --> 00:40:03,686
referendum on international

1150
00:40:03,686 --> 00:40:05,555
politics.

1151
00:40:05,555 --> 00:40:07,955
thank you so much.

1152
00:40:08,858 --> 00:40:11,858
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir.

1153
00:40:12,795 --> 00:40:15,195
Last name latrin gr

1154
00:40:15,464 --> 00:40:17,533
ger and then --

1155
00:40:17,533 --> 00:40:18,100
is latringer on the line?

1156
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:18,668
>> yes.

1157
00:40:18,668 --> 00:40:19,402
Yes, I'm here.

1158
00:40:19,402 --> 00:40:21,802
>> ken hagan: good morning.

1159
00:40:22,338 --> 00:40:24,474
>> thank you good morning and

1160
00:40:24,474 --> 00:40:24,874
thank you for having me here

1161
00:40:24,874 --> 00:40:25,809
today.

1162
00:40:25,809 --> 00:40:27,809
Mi

1163
00:40:28,411 --> 00:40:30,513
my name is -- and I'm the

1164
00:40:30,513 --> 00:40:32,115
original director of the israeli

1165
00:40:32,115 --> 00:40:33,883
american council, the iac in

1166
00:40:33,883 --> 00:40:35,883
central florida.

1167
00:40:35,919 --> 00:40:37,887
I want to thank hillsborough

1168
00:40:37,887 --> 00:40:38,989
county and the commissioners for

1169
00:40:38,989 --> 00:40:41,191
your support and for the work

1170
00:40:41,191 --> 00:40:43,626
you do every day to make tampa

1171
00:40:43,626 --> 00:40:46,626
bay a stronger, more welcoming,

1172
00:40:46,896 --> 00:40:47,497
and more connected place for

1173
00:40:47,497 --> 00:40:49,497
everyone.

1174
00:40:49,566 --> 00:40:51,668
At the iac one of our core goals

1175
00:40:51,668 --> 00:40:54,303
is to strengthen jewish and

1176
00:40:54,303 --> 00:40:56,703
israeli american identity while

1177
00:40:56,806 --> 00:40:58,675
empowering the next generation

1178
00:40:58,675 --> 00:41:01,211
to become confident leaders and

1179
00:41:01,211 --> 00:41:01,711
active members of their

1180
00:41:01,711 --> 00:41:03,513
communities.

1181
00:41:03,513 --> 00:41:05,348
We blieve that when young

1182
00:41:05,348 --> 00:41:07,451
people understand who they are,

1183
00:41:07,451 --> 00:41:10,120
where they come from, and what

1184
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,987
they can contribute, they become

1185
00:41:10,987 --> 00:41:12,655
stronger individuals and

1186
00:41:12,655 --> 00:41:14,655
stronger leaders.

1187
00:41:16,225 --> 00:41:18,261
That is exactly what our fiba

1188
00:41:18,261 --> 00:41:20,661
teen program is about.

1189
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:23,834
Fiba brings forth five -- more

1190
00:41:23,834 --> 00:41:25,836
than 100 teens together in a

1191
00:41:25,836 --> 00:41:26,336
meaningful and supportive

1192
00:41:26,336 --> 00:41:27,371
environment.

1193
00:41:27,371 --> 00:41:29,371
Excuse me.

1194
00:41:30,139 --> 00:41:32,642
Where they can explore their

1195
00:41:32,642 --> 00:41:34,978
identity, connect with their

1196
00:41:34,978 --> 00:41:37,470
culture, build friendships, and

1197
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:37,514
develop a strong sense of

1198
00:41:37,514 --> 00:41:39,514
belonging.

1199
00:41:40,983 --> 00:41:43,954
But it goes beyond identity.

1200
00:41:43,954 --> 00:41:45,589
Our teens are exposed to

1201
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:47,589
leadership, entrepreneurship,

1202
00:41:47,691 --> 00:41:48,158
innovation, and the world of

1203
00:41:48,158 --> 00:41:49,993
startups.

1204
00:41:49,993 --> 00:41:51,661
They'll learn how ideas can

1205
00:41:51,661 --> 00:41:54,610
become business, how challenges

1206
00:41:54,164 --> 00:41:56,564
can become opportunities, and

1207
00:41:56,733 --> 00:41:59,570
how teamwork and creativity can

1208
00:41:59,570 --> 00:42:00,871
create meaningful impact.

1209
00:42:00,871 --> 00:42:01,771
Their not simply learning --

1210
00:42:01,771 --> 00:42:02,973
they are not simply learning

1211
00:42:02,973 --> 00:42:04,774
about the world around them.

1212
00:42:04,774 --> 00:42:07,143
They are learning that they have

1213
00:42:07,143 --> 00:42:09,346
the ability to shape it.

1214
00:42:09,346 --> 00:42:11,681
For jewish and israeli american

1215
00:42:11,681 --> 00:42:13,851
students, having a space where

1216
00:42:13,851 --> 00:42:16,851
they can feel seen, supported,

1217
00:42:17,154 --> 00:42:18,155
and proud of who they are is

1218
00:42:18,155 --> 00:42:20,155
incredibly important.

1219
00:42:20,658 --> 00:42:22,392
At the same time, fiba helped

1220
00:42:22,392 --> 00:42:23,360
thim build relationships

1221
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,461
across -- them build

1222
00:42:24,461 --> 00:42:25,261
relationships across different

1223
00:42:25,261 --> 00:42:27,661
backgrounds and understand the

1224
00:42:27,664 --> 00:42:29,664
importance of community,

1225
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:30,834
respect, responsibility, and

1226
00:42:30,834 --> 00:42:32,834
collaboration.

1227
00:42:32,937 --> 00:42:35,472
And this is why partnerships

1228
00:42:35,472 --> 00:42:35,973
with hillsborough county are so

1229
00:42:35,973 --> 00:42:37,441
meaningful.

1230
00:42:37,441 --> 00:42:39,210
When organizations, schools,

1231
00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:41,610
community leaders, and local

1232
00:42:41,979 --> 00:42:43,747
governments come together, we

1233
00:42:43,747 --> 00:42:45,149
create an environment where

1234
00:42:45,149 --> 00:42:46,717
young people can thrive.

1235
00:42:46,717 --> 00:42:48,219
We strengthen not only

1236
00:42:48,219 --> 00:42:49,386
individual students but the

1237
00:42:49,386 --> 00:42:51,386
entire community.

1238
00:42:51,888 --> 00:42:53,657
We are so proud to be part of

1239
00:42:53,657 --> 00:42:55,920
this community, and we are

1240
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,294
committed to investing in our

1241
00:42:57,294 --> 00:43:00,310
young people because they are

1242
00:43:00,310 --> 00:43:00,498
not only the future of of our

1243
00:43:00,498 --> 00:43:01,499
community.

1244
00:43:01,499 --> 00:43:02,433
They are already helping shape

1245
00:43:02,433 --> 00:43:04,433
it today.

1246
00:43:04,435 --> 00:43:06,537
Thank you so much.

1247
00:43:06,537 --> 00:43:07,400
>> ken hagan: thank you for the

1248
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,400
comments.

1249
00:43:09,173 --> 00:43:11,141
Anat mansour virtual.

1250
00:43:11,141 --> 00:43:13,100
Followed by lauren prager and

1251
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:15,100
then thomas cobert.

1252
00:43:16,447 --> 00:43:17,415
Mansour on the line?

1253
00:43:17,415 --> 00:43:17,949
>> hi, good morning,

1254
00:43:17,949 --> 00:43:19,717
commissioners.

1255
00:43:19,717 --> 00:43:22,320
My name is anat, and I live he

1256
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,854
in south tampa.

1257
00:43:23,854 --> 00:43:26,390
First, I want to thank you for

1258
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:27,925
your continued support of fiba

1259
00:43:27,925 --> 00:43:30,325
and recognizing the important

1260
00:43:30,761 --> 00:43:32,764
role it plays in our community.

1261
00:43:32,764 --> 00:43:34,966
I encourage our -- hillsborough

1262
00:43:34,966 --> 00:43:36,601
county should stop funding fiba

1263
00:43:36,601 --> 00:43:37,702
because there are other

1264
00:43:37,702 --> 00:43:39,360
nonprofits that need that money,

1265
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,905
and I absolutely agree that

1266
00:43:40,905 --> 00:43:43,307
there are many organizations in

1267
00:43:43,307 --> 00:43:43,975
our community doing incredibly

1268
00:43:43,975 --> 00:43:45,877
important work.

1269
00:43:45,877 --> 00:43:47,780
We need organizations helping

1270
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:48,846
children, helping families,

1271
00:43:48,846 --> 00:43:49,847
veterans, people facing hunger,

1272
00:43:49,847 --> 00:43:52,247
housing challenges, health care

1273
00:43:52,683 --> 00:43:54,652
needs, and so much more.

1274
00:43:54,652 --> 00:43:55,787
But I don't think we should look

1275
00:43:55,787 --> 00:43:57,655
at this as a choice between

1276
00:43:57,655 --> 00:43:58,990
supporting our community and

1277
00:43:58,990 --> 00:44:00,990
supporting economic development.

1278
00:44:01,292 --> 00:44:02,393
We need both.

1279
00:44:02,393 --> 00:44:03,928
I spent years working with

1280
00:44:03,928 --> 00:44:05,928
organizations, businesses,

1281
00:44:06,931 --> 00:44:08,199
schools and community partners

1282
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,635
here in tampa, and I see

1283
00:44:10,635 --> 00:44:11,569
firsthand how our community

1284
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:12,737
and -- economy really are.

1285
00:44:12,737 --> 00:44:15,737
When businesses come here they

1286
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:16,808
create jobs, nay bring

1287
00:44:16,808 --> 00:44:17,709
investments, they bring local

1288
00:44:17,709 --> 00:44:19,100
services and they contribute to

1289
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:21,100
the broader community.

1290
00:44:21,212 --> 00:44:23,448
And this is exactly what fiba is

1291
00:44:23,448 --> 00:44:25,448
designed to do.

1292
00:44:25,716 --> 00:44:27,785
According to fiba's data, 20

1293
00:44:27,785 --> 00:44:29,785
companies have established

1294
00:44:31,656 --> 00:44:33,656
present iphillsborough county,

1295
00:44:34,192 --> 00:44:35,560
creating 70 direct -- high

1296
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,763
skilled high wage jobs and these

1297
00:44:38,763 --> 00:44:40,763
are companies establishing

1298
00:44:41,733 --> 00:44:43,134
here -- spaces here, creating

1299
00:44:43,134 --> 00:44:45,134
economic opportunity.

1300
00:44:46,737 --> 00:44:47,639
Those jobs means --

1301
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,390
investments -- and those

1302
00:44:50,308 --> 00:44:51,760
companies become part of the

1303
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:51,910
fabric of our community so I

1304
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:53,545
don't think the question should

1305
00:44:53,545 --> 00:44:54,946
be why are we giving money to

1306
00:44:54,946 --> 00:44:55,413
fiba when another nonprofit

1307
00:44:55,413 --> 00:44:57,413
needs funding.

1308
00:45:00,986 --> 00:45:03,188
The question should be is fiba

1309
00:45:03,188 --> 00:45:05,157
delivering the economic results

1310
00:45:05,157 --> 00:45:06,491
they were funded to deliver.

1311
00:45:06,491 --> 00:45:07,258
The answer is of course yes.

1312
00:45:07,258 --> 00:45:08,694
We should recognize what that

1313
00:45:08,694 --> 00:45:10,462
investment is, an investment in

1314
00:45:10,462 --> 00:45:10,862
the future of hillsborough

1315
00:45:10,862 --> 00:45:12,531
county.

1316
00:45:12,531 --> 00:45:13,297
It's not a question of fiba --

1317
00:45:13,297 --> 00:45:15,297
another nonprofit.

1318
00:45:15,834 --> 00:45:16,735
We can and should support

1319
00:45:16,735 --> 00:45:19,271
innovations that take care of

1320
00:45:19,271 --> 00:45:19,938
our community while also

1321
00:45:19,938 --> 00:45:21,938
supporting organizations that

1322
00:45:22,274 --> 00:45:24,242
help build our economic future.

1323
00:45:24,242 --> 00:45:24,876
Thank you.

1324
00:45:24,876 --> 00:45:25,430
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

1325
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:26,678
you.

1326
00:45:26,678 --> 00:45:28,280
Last three speakers, lauren

1327
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,216
prager is virtual, followed by

1328
00:45:31,216 --> 00:45:31,883
thomas cobert, and then bruce

1329
00:45:31,883 --> 00:45:33,883
harker.

1330
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:37,923
MS. Prager on the line?

1331
00:45:37,923 --> 00:45:38,357
>> good morning, this is lauren

1332
00:45:38,357 --> 00:45:39,230
prager.

1333
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:40,592
I'm a hillsborough county

1334
00:45:40,592 --> 00:45:43,592
resident living in south tampa,

1335
00:45:43,762 --> 00:45:45,731
and I wanted to echo the

1336
00:45:45,731 --> 00:45:47,599
previous few speakers and

1337
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:48,800
express first our appreciation

1338
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,300
to the board and the

1339
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:52,103
commissioners for their ongoing

1340
00:45:52,103 --> 00:45:53,380
support and economic development

1341
00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:53,405
in growth here in hillsborough

1342
00:45:53,405 --> 00:45:55,174
county.

1343
00:45:55,174 --> 00:45:57,900
And that certainly includes the

1344
00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:57,509
florida israel business

1345
00:45:57,509 --> 00:45:58,811
accelerator.

1346
00:45:58,811 --> 00:45:59,845
The comments from our previous

1347
00:45:59,845 --> 00:46:01,346
speakers really covered many of

1348
00:46:01,346 --> 00:46:02,681
the points that I want to make,

1349
00:46:02,681 --> 00:46:04,750
but I do want to just go on the

1350
00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:06,818
record and echo that through my

1351
00:46:06,818 --> 00:46:09,221
involvement both as a community

1352
00:46:09,221 --> 00:46:10,789
leader, as a business

1353
00:46:10,789 --> 00:46:12,424
professional, and as a parent

1354
00:46:12,424 --> 00:46:14,593
here in our community, the

1355
00:46:14,593 --> 00:46:16,993
impacts of organizations like

1356
00:46:17,596 --> 00:46:19,798
fiba really does resonate beyond

1357
00:46:19,798 --> 00:46:20,698
just the companies that it

1358
00:46:20,698 --> 00:46:23,980
brings into our community.

1359
00:46:23,435 --> 00:46:24,302
And this dynamic and diverse

1360
00:46:24,302 --> 00:46:25,903
business organization really

1361
00:46:25,903 --> 00:46:28,707
does help imrove the fabric of

1362
00:46:28,707 --> 00:46:29,742
our community by bringing in new

1363
00:46:29,742 --> 00:46:31,710
voices and new ideas and

1364
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:33,746
inspiring other people to see

1365
00:46:33,746 --> 00:46:36,146
that tampa and hillsborough

1366
00:46:36,215 --> 00:46:39,815
county is an incredible place to

1367
00:46:40,686 --> 00:46:42,655
build and grow a business and

1368
00:46:42,655 --> 00:46:43,289
helps us be competitive to other

1369
00:46:43,289 --> 00:46:44,457
communities in florida that are

1370
00:46:44,457 --> 00:46:45,758
looking for opportunities to

1371
00:46:45,758 --> 00:46:48,160
bring in foreign businesses and

1372
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,760
help to increase high paying and

1373
00:46:52,631 --> 00:46:53,980
high quality jobs in our

1374
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:54,567
community.

1375
00:46:54,567 --> 00:46:55,634
So I really want to end where I

1376
00:46:55,634 --> 00:46:56,402
began by saying thank you for

1377
00:46:56,402 --> 00:46:58,204
your ongoing and continued

1378
00:46:58,204 --> 00:47:01,204
support, and we very much

1379
00:47:01,907 --> 00:47:03,442
appreciate how you enable the

1380
00:47:03,442 --> 00:47:04,643
florida israel business

1381
00:47:04,643 --> 00:47:06,345
accelerator and the companies

1382
00:47:06,345 --> 00:47:07,280
that come as a result to thrive

1383
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,179
here in hillsborough county.

1384
00:47:08,179 --> 00:47:08,681
>> ken hagan: thank you,

1385
00:47:08,681 --> 00:47:10,681
MS. Prager.

1386
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:12,685
Thomas cobert.

1387
00:47:12,685 --> 00:47:16,285
To be followed by bruce harker.

1388
00:47:20,393 --> 00:47:21,394
Good morning, sir.

1389
00:47:21,394 --> 00:47:22,940
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, commissioners,

1390
00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:24,940
staff, and deputies.

1391
00:47:24,564 --> 00:47:24,997
Good morning my name is tom

1392
00:47:24,997 --> 00:47:26,698
cobert.

1393
00:47:26,698 --> 00:47:30,898
I was a bachelors of social work

1394
00:47:31,237 --> 00:47:32,338
degree which was awarded at usf

1395
00:47:32,338 --> 00:47:34,107
in 1984 when I graduated.

1396
00:47:34,107 --> 00:47:34,573
It is considered a specialized

1397
00:47:34,573 --> 00:47:35,408
degree.

1398
00:47:35,408 --> 00:47:38,177
Essentially it teaches you how

1399
00:47:38,177 --> 00:47:41,130
to be a jack-of-all-trades in

1400
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:42,315
the social sciences.

1401
00:47:42,315 --> 00:47:44,617
i have noticed a pattern over

1402
00:47:44,617 --> 00:47:45,284
the time I have been coming to

1403
00:47:45,284 --> 00:47:47,284
bocc meetings.

1404
00:47:47,619 --> 00:47:50,190
During discussions of future

1405
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:52,158
items, anytime a certain

1406
00:47:52,158 --> 00:47:53,593
commissioner proposes pursuing

1407
00:47:53,593 --> 00:47:54,459
an idea or need, another

1408
00:47:54,459 --> 00:47:57,330
commission has a problem with

1409
00:47:57,330 --> 00:47:58,698
it.

1410
00:47:58,698 --> 00:48:00,133
This happens pretty much 100% of

1411
00:48:00,133 --> 00:48:01,968
the time.

1412
00:48:01,968 --> 00:48:03,503
Once is happenstance, twice is

1413
00:48:03,503 --> 00:48:06,503
coincidence, the third time it's

1414
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,400
enemy action.

1415
00:48:09,675 --> 00:48:11,778
This is from the 1964 movie

1416
00:48:11,778 --> 00:48:14,800
goldfinger, a james bond movie.

1417
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:15,748
I was 10 when it came out and I

1418
00:48:15,748 --> 00:48:18,383
loved sean connery as bond.

1419
00:48:18,383 --> 00:48:19,385
I grew up from 13 to adulthood

1420
00:48:19,385 --> 00:48:21,588
in six mile creek.

1421
00:48:21,588 --> 00:48:23,656
A lot of adults back then would

1422
00:48:23,656 --> 00:48:25,325
be against anything that would

1423
00:48:25,325 --> 00:48:27,725
resemble the proposals being

1424
00:48:28,928 --> 00:48:29,462
made currently by one of the

1425
00:48:29,462 --> 00:48:30,629
commissioners.

1426
00:48:30,629 --> 00:48:33,266
No one else on the bocc seems to

1427
00:48:33,266 --> 00:48:35,535
have a problem with the negative

1428
00:48:35,535 --> 00:48:36,870
spirit of these actions.

1429
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:39,505
At the beginning of public

1430
00:48:39,505 --> 00:48:41,708
comment, the CHAIRMAN Requests

1431
00:48:41,708 --> 00:48:43,708
that citizens self-regulate

1432
00:48:43,777 --> 00:48:45,110
themselves, even though the

1433
00:48:45,110 --> 00:48:47,247
constitution allows them to

1434
00:48:47,247 --> 00:48:49,416
speak on whatever they wish.

1435
00:48:49,416 --> 00:48:51,784
This is after all the modern

1436
00:48:51,784 --> 00:48:53,619
version of the town square.

1437
00:48:53,619 --> 00:48:55,755
The board puts no restrictions

1438
00:48:55,755 --> 00:48:57,755
on themselves.

1439
00:48:58,491 --> 00:48:59,726
If what are essentially a tax

1440
00:48:59,726 --> 00:49:03,290
continue, I will be forced to

1441
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:04,297
act as a community activist and

1442
00:49:04,297 --> 00:49:04,764
take the issue to members of the

1443
00:49:04,764 --> 00:49:06,500
community.

1444
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:08,668
At the first year anniversary of

1445
00:49:08,668 --> 00:49:11,668
the juvenile justice council, of

1446
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:14,700
which I was a charter member,

1447
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:15,342
and it was also the first one in

1448
00:49:15,342 --> 00:49:17,770
the state before the councils

1449
00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:19,813
were mandated by state law,

1450
00:49:19,813 --> 00:49:21,481
county commissioner phyllis

1451
00:49:21,481 --> 00:49:22,716
busansky who chaired the council

1452
00:49:22,716 --> 00:49:24,818
named seven movers and shakers

1453
00:49:24,818 --> 00:49:26,818
in hillsborough county.

1454
00:49:26,887 --> 00:49:29,287
The public defenders, state

1455
00:49:29,623 --> 00:49:31,591
attorney, chief judge, state

1456
00:49:31,591 --> 00:49:33,459
legislator, sheriff and two

1457
00:49:33,459 --> 00:49:33,927
private citizens of which I was

1458
00:49:33,927 --> 00:49:35,927
one.

1459
00:49:36,330 --> 00:49:38,198
With my past experiences and

1460
00:49:38,198 --> 00:49:40,499
degree, I know how to be

1461
00:49:40,499 --> 00:49:41,368
effective as a community

1462
00:49:41,368 --> 00:49:42,502
activist.

1463
00:49:42,502 --> 00:49:44,871
Congratulations on clearing the

1464
00:49:44,871 --> 00:49:46,974
vote on continuing with the rays

1465
00:49:46,974 --> 00:49:48,974
stadium project.

1466
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:50,811
When fixed -- finished with

1467
00:49:50,811 --> 00:49:51,712
everything that is being

1468
00:49:51,712 --> 00:49:52,979
proposed, it will prove to be a

1469
00:49:52,979 --> 00:49:55,150
great asset to tampa and

1470
00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:56,116
hillsborough county.

1471
00:49:56,116 --> 00:49:56,218
Thank you for listening.

1472
00:49:56,218 --> 00:49:57,840
`

1473
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:57,583
>> ken hagan: thank you,

1474
00:49:57,583 --> 00:49:59,583
MR. Cobert.

1475
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,420
Last speaker, bruce harker.

1476
00:50:05,526 --> 00:50:05,959
>> MR. Chair, this is public

1477
00:50:05,959 --> 00:50:07,959
comment.

1478
00:50:10,431 --> 00:50:12,800
We also have an -- giovanni who

1479
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,134
is had signed up as well.

1480
00:50:14,134 --> 00:50:14,802
>> ken hagan: I'm sorry, sir.

1481
00:50:14,802 --> 00:50:16,802
Please identify yourself.

1482
00:50:19,305 --> 00:50:22,710
>> this is dan putnam with htv.

1483
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:23,577
We have an idete giovanni signed

1484
00:50:23,577 --> 00:50:24,878
up for public comment and she

1485
00:50:24,878 --> 00:50:25,645
did not speak yet.

1486
00:50:25,645 --> 00:50:26,280
>> ken hagan: yes, she did.

1487
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,648
She already spoke.

1488
00:50:27,648 --> 00:50:30,480
>> there was another person,

1489
00:50:33,153 --> 00:50:34,555
last same name.

1490
00:50:34,555 --> 00:50:37,910
>> ken hagan: all right, I'll

1491
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:40,910
call on that person next.

1492
00:50:42,620 --> 00:50:45,620
>> all right, thank you, sir.

1493
00:50:45,499 --> 00:50:46,367
>> ken hagan: good morning.

1494
00:50:46,367 --> 00:50:48,367
>> good morning.

1495
00:50:49,236 --> 00:50:51,104
My name is bruce harker.

1496
00:50:51,104 --> 00:50:52,540
I'm a disabled and jewish

1497
00:50:52,540 --> 00:50:54,508
resident of hillsborough county

1498
00:50:54,508 --> 00:50:55,710
and tampa, and district 3 on a

1499
00:50:55,710 --> 00:50:57,710
very low income.

1500
00:50:59,145 --> 00:51:00,481
I'm here to speak about fiba.

1501
00:51:00,481 --> 00:51:02,884
and the county budget and ensure

1502
00:51:02,884 --> 00:51:04,840
the needs of hillsborough county

1503
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:05,953
residents are met.

1504
00:51:05,953 --> 00:51:07,254
I support the demands of local

1505
00:51:07,254 --> 00:51:09,223
community members who want all

1506
00:51:09,223 --> 00:51:10,458
funding removed from israeli

1507
00:51:10,458 --> 00:51:11,993
linked business and instead

1508
00:51:11,993 --> 00:51:14,395
focus on services that benefit

1509
00:51:14,395 --> 00:51:17,264
the needs of the community in

1510
00:51:17,264 --> 00:51:17,798
particular our most vulnerable

1511
00:51:17,798 --> 00:51:19,798
citizens.

1512
00:51:20,334 --> 00:51:21,969
One such service that could use

1513
00:51:21,969 --> 00:51:23,738
more funding is the hart system

1514
00:51:23,738 --> 00:51:26,106
which is grossly underfunded.

1515
00:51:26,106 --> 00:51:27,809
We have over 2300 bus stops and

1516
00:51:27,809 --> 00:51:29,543
less than one-third of them have

1517
00:51:29,543 --> 00:51:30,978
shelter from sun or rain.

1518
00:51:30,978 --> 00:51:34,115
With the money we gave fiba over

1519
00:51:34,115 --> 00:51:35,316
the years, hillsborough could've

1520
00:51:35,316 --> 00:51:37,180
built many more shelters.

1521
00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:37,485
Many don't even have seats or

1522
00:51:37,485 --> 00:51:38,419
adequate seats.

1523
00:51:38,419 --> 00:51:41,890
Last year while waiting for a

1524
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:42,560
bus one even a bullet ricocheted

1525
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,157
several feet from me.

1526
00:51:43,157 --> 00:51:44,659
Luckily it didn't hit me.

1527
00:51:44,659 --> 00:51:46,561
The bus stop in question had

1528
00:51:46,561 --> 00:51:48,196
neither seating nor shelter.

1529
00:51:48,196 --> 00:51:49,631
Last month while carrying my

1530
00:51:49,631 --> 00:51:50,965
father's 8th birthday card to

1531
00:51:50,965 --> 00:51:53,368
the post office, I just missed

1532
00:51:53,368 --> 00:51:53,835
the bus and it started to

1533
00:51:53,835 --> 00:51:55,360
downpour.

1534
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,371
The stop in question had a seat

1535
00:51:56,371 --> 00:51:58,600
but no shelter.

1536
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,106
The next bus wouldn't arrive for

1537
00:51:59,106 --> 00:52:00,540
some time.

1538
00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:02,410
Luckily I was able to improvise

1539
00:52:02,410 --> 00:52:04,512
and keep it dry until a lyft

1540
00:52:04,512 --> 00:52:05,513
arrived which was also an added

1541
00:52:05,513 --> 00:52:06,480
cost to me.

1542
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,549
Summer heat can also be

1543
00:52:07,549 --> 00:52:09,350
dangerous and lead to

1544
00:52:09,350 --> 00:52:10,451
dehydration as it did to me two

1545
00:52:10,451 --> 00:52:12,860
summers ago.

1546
00:52:12,860 --> 00:52:13,922
While these are a few situations

1547
00:52:13,922 --> 00:52:15,256
I have been in, other disabled

1548
00:52:15,256 --> 00:52:17,592
have even greater difficulties

1549
00:52:17,592 --> 00:52:19,761
due to various factors, standing

1550
00:52:19,761 --> 00:52:23,231
is difficult, or worse for some.

1551
00:52:23,231 --> 00:52:24,632
the funds allocated to fiba each

1552
00:52:24,632 --> 00:52:25,934
year can be better be used on

1553
00:52:25,934 --> 00:52:27,936
programs such as this and many

1554
00:52:27,936 --> 00:52:29,137
other local initiatives that

1555
00:52:29,137 --> 00:52:30,805
benefit citizens rather than

1556
00:52:30,805 --> 00:52:32,700
cause harm in other parts of the

1557
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:34,542
world, not to mention the meager

1558
00:52:34,542 --> 00:52:38,142
number of jobs it has created.

1559
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:40,515
I think greg -- said five jobs

1560
00:52:40,515 --> 00:52:42,583
and someone today said 70 which

1561
00:52:42,583 --> 00:52:43,485
is meager considering the

1562
00:52:43,485 --> 00:52:46,186
millions that have been pureed

1563
00:52:46,186 --> 00:52:47,756
into feeb -- poured into fiba.

1564
00:52:47,756 --> 00:52:48,423
We must cut ties with fiba

1565
00:52:48,423 --> 00:52:49,758
wherever possible and spend

1566
00:52:49,758 --> 00:52:50,659
these tax dollars on programs

1567
00:52:50,659 --> 00:52:51,993
desperately needed by

1568
00:52:51,993 --> 00:52:53,328
hillsborough county residents.

1569
00:52:53,328 --> 00:52:55,397
We demand that our county's

1570
00:52:55,397 --> 00:52:57,165
budget reflects the needs of the

1571
00:52:57,165 --> 00:52:58,465
people, by remove al funding to

1572
00:52:58,465 --> 00:53:00,235
israeli companies and instead

1573
00:53:00,235 --> 00:53:01,770
invest in lifesaving services

1574
00:53:01,770 --> 00:53:02,170
for hillsborough residents

1575
00:53:02,170 --> 00:53:03,205
today.

1576
00:53:03,205 --> 00:53:03,972
Thank you.

1577
00:53:03,972 --> 00:53:06,942
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir.

1578
00:53:06,942 --> 00:53:09,811
Last speaker, will be the second

1579
00:53:09,811 --> 00:53:11,545
giovanni, virtual.

1580
00:53:11,545 --> 00:53:12,180
>>> can you hear us?

1581
00:53:12,180 --> 00:53:12,546
>> ken hagan: yes.

1582
00:53:12,546 --> 00:53:14,546
>> yes, I can.

1583
00:53:14,782 --> 00:53:15,917
Can you hear me?

1584
00:53:15,917 --> 00:53:17,917
Good morning, commissioners.

1585
00:53:18,786 --> 00:53:21,656
My name is idete giovanni and I

1586
00:53:21,656 --> 00:53:22,858
live in tampa hillsborough.

1587
00:53:22,858 --> 00:53:24,793
I want to start by saying a big

1588
00:53:24,793 --> 00:53:25,193
thank you for standing with

1589
00:53:25,193 --> 00:53:27,193
fiba.

1590
00:53:27,729 --> 00:53:30,632
I'm speaking today because I am

1591
00:53:30,632 --> 00:53:32,167
concerned that the legitimized

1592
00:53:32,167 --> 00:53:33,902
economic development discussion

1593
00:53:33,902 --> 00:53:35,971
is being transformed into

1594
00:53:35,971 --> 00:53:37,639
something very different.

1595
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:39,941
The campaign against fiba

1596
00:53:39,941 --> 00:53:41,610
repeatedly bring the

1597
00:53:41,610 --> 00:53:43,378
conversation back to israel,

1598
00:53:43,378 --> 00:53:45,778
gaza, war, and genocide.

1599
00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:49,151
Those are serious issues.

1600
00:53:49,151 --> 00:53:51,353
Because -- at length about them

1601
00:53:51,353 --> 00:53:51,753
and every word to express those

1602
00:53:51,753 --> 00:53:53,753
views.

1603
00:53:54,222 --> 00:53:55,657
But fiba is not responsible for

1604
00:53:55,657 --> 00:53:57,625
israeli foreign policy.

1605
00:53:57,625 --> 00:53:58,127
Fiba is not the israeli

1606
00:53:58,127 --> 00:53:59,828
government.

1607
00:53:59,828 --> 00:54:00,295
Fiba is not the israeli

1608
00:54:00,295 --> 00:54:02,295
military.

1609
00:54:03,664 --> 00:54:05,434
Fiba is a in florida and --

1610
00:54:05,434 --> 00:54:05,934
whose purpose is economic

1611
00:54:05,934 --> 00:54:07,934
development.

1612
00:54:08,103 --> 00:54:09,471
So I believe we need to ask a

1613
00:54:09,471 --> 00:54:11,471
very simple question.

1614
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,309
Should hillsborough county

1615
00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:15,177
decide whether an economic

1616
00:54:15,177 --> 00:54:17,177
development of organization

1617
00:54:20,249 --> 00:54:21,750
deserves funding based on its

1618
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:23,252
economic result or based on

1619
00:54:23,252 --> 00:54:25,287
political disagreement with a

1620
00:54:25,287 --> 00:54:26,187
foreign government.

1621
00:54:26,187 --> 00:54:27,222
Fiba -- conflicts.

1622
00:54:27,222 --> 00:54:29,622
Any companies establish a

1623
00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:33,128
present in hillsborough county

1624
00:54:33,128 --> 00:54:33,862
creating 70 direct high skill,

1625
00:54:33,862 --> 00:54:35,531
high wage jobs.

1626
00:54:35,531 --> 00:54:37,931
Those companies are investing

1627
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:40,236
here, operating facilities here,

1628
00:54:40,236 --> 00:54:42,238
hiring people here, and

1629
00:54:42,238 --> 00:54:42,671
contributing to our local

1630
00:54:42,671 --> 00:54:44,671
economy.

1631
00:54:46,942 --> 00:54:48,510
And importantly, international

1632
00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:50,246
business equipment is already

1633
00:54:50,246 --> 00:54:51,130
part of economic development

1634
00:54:51,130 --> 00:54:52,315
strategy.

1635
00:54:52,315 --> 00:54:53,749
The tampa bay economic

1636
00:54:53,749 --> 00:54:55,183
development council records

1637
00:54:55,183 --> 00:54:57,583
companies from outside the

1638
00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:58,587
region, including international

1639
00:54:58,587 --> 00:55:00,587
companies because bringing

1640
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:03,326
investment and jobs here

1641
00:55:03,326 --> 00:55:04,560
benefits hillsborough county as

1642
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:05,761
a resident.

1643
00:55:05,761 --> 00:55:07,430
Israeli companies should not be

1644
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:09,932
held to a different standard.

1645
00:55:09,932 --> 00:55:11,734
If a company is operating

1646
00:55:11,734 --> 00:55:13,536
really, it's creating jobs,

1647
00:55:13,536 --> 00:55:15,936
investing here, and contributing

1648
00:55:15,938 --> 00:55:18,241
to our economy, it should be

1649
00:55:18,241 --> 00:55:20,109
evaluated on those factors.

1650
00:55:20,109 --> 00:55:21,243
We can disagree about

1651
00:55:21,243 --> 00:55:23,212
international politics, but we

1652
00:55:23,212 --> 00:55:24,847
should not allow those

1653
00:55:24,847 --> 00:55:26,847
disagreements to determine

1654
00:55:27,483 --> 00:55:29,483
economic development policy.

1655
00:55:29,685 --> 00:55:30,820
Please judge fiba by what it

1656
00:55:30,820 --> 00:55:32,555
does for hillsborough county.

1657
00:55:32,555 --> 00:55:33,890
Thank you so much.

1658
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:33,990
>> ken hagan: thank you,

1659
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:35,525
appreciate your comments.

1660
00:55:35,525 --> 00:55:36,959
That closes public comment.

1661
00:55:36,959 --> 00:55:40,290
Can we have a motion to approve

1662
00:55:40,290 --> 00:55:40,730
conincident.

1663
00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:41,263
>> ken hagan: motion,

1664
00:55:41,263 --> 00:55:42,980
commissioner cohen, second

1665
00:55:42,980 --> 00:55:43,132
commissioner myers.

1666
00:55:43,132 --> 00:55:46,732
Please records your vote on the

1667
00:55:49,104 --> 00:55:50,740
consent agenda.

1668
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:51,506
>> motion carried 7-0.

1669
00:55:51,506 --> 00:55:52,809
>> ken hagan: all right, bonnie,

1670
00:55:52,809 --> 00:55:53,743
we got a few minutes before the

1671
00:55:53,743 --> 00:55:55,743
first time certain.

1672
00:55:56,379 --> 00:55:57,580
>> yes, we do -- well, we have

1673
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:58,147
regular agenda, we can move to

1674
00:55:58,147 --> 00:56:00,147
item b. 3.

1675
00:56:00,483 --> 00:56:01,583
We have two items, and

1676
00:56:01,583 --> 00:56:03,453
george cassady will present both

1677
00:56:03,453 --> 00:56:05,453
of these items.

1678
00:56:05,655 --> 00:56:06,422
First one is regarding the

1679
00:56:06,422 --> 00:56:08,324
progressive design build

1680
00:56:08,324 --> 00:56:10,527
agreement for the water waste

1681
00:56:10,527 --> 00:56:12,527
curt conveyance treme

1682
00:56:12,695 --> 00:56:13,163
treatment

1683
00:56:13,163 --> 00:56:15,163
projects.

1684
00:56:16,132 --> 00:56:17,901
And while we are on that we have

1685
00:56:17,901 --> 00:56:19,536
an item at 10:15 related to

1686
00:56:19,536 --> 00:56:21,503
water, if we want to consider

1687
00:56:21,503 --> 00:56:23,139
that we think think about that.

1688
00:56:23,139 --> 00:56:24,807
>> good morning, chair, good

1689
00:56:24,807 --> 00:56:25,375
morning, commissioners.

1690
00:56:25,375 --> 00:56:26,242
George cassady.

1691
00:56:26,242 --> 00:56:28,642
Item b. 3 we're r

1692
00:56:28,845 --> 00:56:30,480
asking for fifth

1693
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,581
modification to -- for the one

1694
00:56:31,581 --> 00:56:33,581
water wastewater south

1695
00:56:33,850 --> 00:56:34,884
wastewater conveyance and

1696
00:56:34,884 --> 00:56:35,652
treatment project.

1697
00:56:35,652 --> 00:56:38,520
This increases the contract

1698
00:56:38,822 --> 00:56:39,155
amount by approximately

1699
00:56:39,155 --> 00:56:40,256
$586 million.

1700
00:56:40,256 --> 00:56:41,257
It adds new completion

1701
00:56:41,257 --> 00:56:43,260
milestones, but I want to point

1702
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:45,428
out that the first phase of

1703
00:56:45,428 --> 00:56:47,530
completion still remains in 2028

1704
00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:50,530
which will bring an initial

1705
00:56:50,767 --> 00:56:52,670
capacity online of about eight

1706
00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:54,670
million gallons.

1707
00:56:54,171 --> 00:56:55,705
The authorization modification

1708
00:56:55,705 --> 00:56:56,473
authorization -- for facility

1709
00:56:56,473 --> 00:56:58,410
construction, long lead

1710
00:56:58,410 --> 00:57:00,430
equipment items, and additional

1711
00:57:00,430 --> 00:57:02,443
pipeline work while maintaining

1712
00:57:02,646 --> 00:57:04,314
a 14% goal for the disadvantaged

1713
00:57:04,314 --> 00:57:05,782
minority and disadvantaged women

1714
00:57:05,782 --> 00:57:07,117
business enterprises.

1715
00:57:07,117 --> 00:57:08,752
I would like to point out that

1716
00:57:08,752 --> 00:57:10,387
at this point in time we're

1717
00:57:10,387 --> 00:57:11,788
achieving almost 24%

1718
00:57:11,788 --> 00:57:13,890
participation so it's really

1719
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:13,490
excellent participation this

1720
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:15,124
far.

1721
00:57:15,124 --> 00:57:15,959
Fund flg this modification is

1722
00:57:15,959 --> 00:57:18,862
available -- funding for this

1723
00:57:18,862 --> 00:57:21,431
modification is available in the -- for approved projects and

1724
00:57:21,431 --> 00:57:24,868
we're also ask for approval of

1725
00:57:24,868 --> 00:57:26,303
fy '26 budget amendment to

1726
00:57:26,303 --> 00:57:27,337
appropriate $82 million from

1727
00:57:27,337 --> 00:57:29,373
the 2026 interim financing fund

1728
00:57:29,373 --> 00:57:30,707
in the south county one water

1729
00:57:30,707 --> 00:57:31,608
campus advanced wastewater

1730
00:57:31,608 --> 00:57:32,676
facility treatment project to

1731
00:57:32,676 --> 00:57:33,877
help fund this modification and

1732
00:57:33,877 --> 00:57:35,512
associated costs.

1733
00:57:35,512 --> 00:57:36,146
Staff recommends approval.

1734
00:57:36,146 --> 00:57:37,514
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

1735
00:57:37,514 --> 00:57:38,749
you, george.

1736
00:57:38,749 --> 00:57:39,183
I don't see any questions or

1737
00:57:39,183 --> 00:57:41,183
comments.

1738
00:57:41,351 --> 00:57:42,485
Do we need a motion?

1739
00:57:42,485 --> 00:57:43,787
Motion, commissioner myers.

1740
00:57:43,787 --> 00:57:45,787
Second, commissioner cohen.

1741
00:57:52,996 --> 00:57:54,530
Please record your vote on b 3.

1742
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:55,332
>> motion carried 7-0.

1743
00:57:55,332 --> 00:57:57,234
>> ken hagan: bonnie, do you

1744
00:57:57,234 --> 00:57:58,268
want to do b. 4 and then b. 2.

1745
00:57:58,268 --> 00:57:59,802
>> thank you.

1746
00:57:59,802 --> 00:58:00,938
Item b. 4 we're requesting

1747
00:58:00,938 --> 00:58:02,380
approval for the first

1748
00:58:02,380 --> 00:58:03,907
modification to the professional

1749
00:58:03,907 --> 00:58:05,800
services agreement with jacobs

1750
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,110
engineering group for the south

1751
00:58:07,110 --> 00:58:08,679
county drinking water facility

1752
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:09,913
also within the one water

1753
00:58:09,913 --> 00:58:12,313
program, increasing te contract

1754
00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:14,349
amount by approximately

1755
00:58:14,785 --> 00:58:15,786
$7.2 million to a total of

1756
00:58:15,786 --> 00:58:17,870
approximately $9.9 million.

1757
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:18,289
This modification adds final

1758
00:58:18,289 --> 00:58:20,290
design and permitting services

1759
00:58:20,290 --> 00:58:21,825
for phase b of the south county

1760
00:58:21,825 --> 00:58:23,694
drinking water facility,

1761
00:58:23,694 --> 00:58:26,940
completing the design to 100%.

1762
00:58:26,763 --> 00:58:28,532
The existing 10% disadvantaged

1763
00:58:28,532 --> 00:58:30,734
minority and disadvantaged women

1764
00:58:30,734 --> 00:58:31,735
business enterprise is at 10%,

1765
00:58:31,735 --> 00:58:33,270
that participation --

1766
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:34,271
participation gol remains in

1767
00:58:34,271 --> 00:58:35,573
effect, and the economic

1768
00:58:35,573 --> 00:58:37,573
development department will

1769
00:58:38,209 --> 00:58:39,310
collaborate with jacobs to

1770
00:58:39,310 --> 00:58:40,544
identify eligible firms for

1771
00:58:40,544 --> 00:58:42,313
specialized services.

1772
00:58:42,313 --> 00:58:43,246
Funding is available in the

1773
00:58:43,246 --> 00:58:43,481
approved capital improvement

1774
00:58:43,481 --> 00:58:45,281
program.

1775
00:58:45,281 --> 00:58:46,717
The purchase orders will be

1776
00:58:46,717 --> 00:58:47,151
issued only against approved

1777
00:58:47,151 --> 00:58:48,385
budgets.

1778
00:58:48,385 --> 00:58:49,190
Staff recommends approval.

1779
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:50,454
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

1780
00:58:50,454 --> 00:58:51,155
you.

1781
00:58:51,155 --> 00:58:52,790
Questions, comments?

1782
00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:54,250
If not, can we have a motion?

1783
00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:55,226
Motion commissioner myers,

1784
00:58:55,226 --> 00:58:57,226
second commissioner cohen.

1785
00:59:00,831 --> 00:59:01,932
Please record your vote on b. 4.

1786
00:59:01,932 --> 00:59:02,700
>> motion carried 7-0.

1787
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:04,435
>> ken hagan: all right, then if

1788
00:59:04,435 --> 00:59:07,772
we can have a motion to take up

1789
00:59:07,772 --> 00:59:09,173
the b. 2 now motion commissioner

1790
00:59:09,173 --> 00:59:09,607
cohen, second commissioner

1791
00:59:09,607 --> 00:59:11,607
wostal.

1792
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:16,646
Please record your vote.

1793
00:59:16,646 --> 00:59:18,646
>> motion carried 7-0.

1794
00:59:19,517 --> 00:59:19,951
>> ken hagan: okay.

1795
00:59:19,951 --> 00:59:20,318
Bonnie.

1796
00:59:20,318 --> 00:59:22,860
>> thank you.

1797
00:59:22,860 --> 00:59:25,686
The next item is itm b. 2.

1798
00:59:26,257 --> 00:59:27,992
This is to -- resolution not to

1799
00:59:27,992 --> 00:59:29,293
exceed $700 million of county

1800
00:59:29,293 --> 00:59:30,228
utility system revenue bonds,

1801
00:59:30,228 --> 00:59:30,695
and kevin brickey will present

1802
00:59:30,695 --> 00:59:32,695
this item.

1803
00:59:32,997 --> 00:59:34,965
We do have various experts from

1804
00:59:34,965 --> 00:59:35,366
our bond financing team here as

1805
00:59:35,366 --> 00:59:35,966
well.

1806
00:59:35,966 --> 00:59:36,167
>> ken hagan: good morning,

1807
00:59:36,167 --> 00:59:36,901
kevin.

1808
00:59:36,901 --> 00:59:38,690
>> good morning, commissioners.

1809
00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:39,700
Kevin brickey, management and

1810
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:41,380
budget.

1811
00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:43,675
As MS. Wise mentioned, this item

1812
00:59:43,675 --> 00:59:44,809
is to adopt a supplemental

1813
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:46,809
resolution, supplementing and

1814
00:59:48,546 --> 00:59:50,810
amending resolution number r

1815
00:59:50,810 --> 00:59:52,481
03112 to authorize the issuance

1816
00:59:54,152 --> 00:59:55,720
of not to exceed $700 million in

1817
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,255
aggregate principal amount to

1818
00:59:57,255 --> 00:59:59,655
approve the county's utility

1819
00:59:59,691 --> 01:00:02,427
revenue bonds, series 2026 a for

1820
01:00:02,427 --> 01:00:04,162
the purposes of financing all or

1821
01:00:04,162 --> 01:00:06,197
a portion of the one water

1822
01:00:06,197 --> 01:00:07,564
campus capital improvements.

1823
01:00:07,564 --> 01:00:09,701
Including future expenditures as

1824
01:00:09,701 --> 01:00:12,803
well as refinancing a portion of

1825
01:00:12,803 --> 01:00:14,803
certain interim indebtedness.

1826
01:00:16,341 --> 01:00:17,909
And the to approve the utility

1827
01:00:17,909 --> 01:00:19,430
refunding revenue bonds series

1828
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:20,244
2026 b for the purpose of

1829
01:00:20,244 --> 01:00:23,515
refunding all or a portion of

1830
01:00:23,515 --> 01:00:25,817
the county's outstanding series

1831
01:00:25,817 --> 01:00:27,817
2016 bonds.

1832
01:00:27,885 --> 01:00:29,120
The transaction will be

1833
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,522
completed in the event that it

1834
01:00:31,522 --> 01:00:33,224
enerates a minimum of 3% net

1835
01:00:33,224 --> 01:00:35,624
present value savings, currently

1836
01:00:35,794 --> 01:00:38,194
that projection is 4 oit 075%

1837
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:40,498
net savings or 650,000 annually.

1838
01:00:40,498 --> 01:00:42,500
This item will also approve the

1839
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:44,602
paying of costs related to these

1840
01:00:44,602 --> 01:00:46,571
issuing these bonds, approving

1841
01:00:46,571 --> 01:00:47,272
related bond documents and

1842
01:00:47,272 --> 01:00:49,207
authorizing appropriate

1843
01:00:49,207 --> 01:00:49,607
officials to complete necessary

1844
01:00:49,607 --> 01:00:51,607
tasks.

1845
01:00:52,744 --> 01:00:54,846
It's also worth noting that

1846
01:00:54,846 --> 01:00:56,846
recently standard & poor's

1847
01:00:57,716 --> 01:01:00,218
rating agency upgraded the water

1848
01:01:00,218 --> 01:01:02,220
bonds and water resources to a

1849
01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:05,820
triple a rating, the top rating.

1850
01:01:06,158 --> 01:01:07,692
So it is now our water bonds are

1851
01:01:07,692 --> 01:01:09,995
rated triple a by all three

1852
01:01:09,995 --> 01:01:12,995
credit rating agencies, and that

1853
01:01:13,764 --> 01:01:15,701
has a direct impact on issuing

1854
01:01:15,701 --> 01:01:17,269
new water bonds such as this

1855
01:01:17,269 --> 01:01:18,937
because it gives us the

1856
01:01:18,937 --> 01:01:20,272
opportunity to have lower

1857
01:01:20,272 --> 01:01:22,140
borrowing costs.

1858
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:23,141
>> ken hagan: excellent news.

1859
01:01:23,141 --> 01:01:26,111
I don't see anyone in the queue.

1860
01:01:26,111 --> 01:01:27,779
Can we have a motion?

1861
01:01:27,779 --> 01:01:28,980
Motion to approve b. 2,

1862
01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:30,115
commissioner myers.

1863
01:01:30,115 --> 01:01:32,115
Second, commissioner cohen.

1864
01:01:35,353 --> 01:01:37,753
Please record your vote.

1865
01:01:38,322 --> 01:01:39,900
>> motion carried 7-0.

1866
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:39,524
>> ken hagan: okay.

1867
01:01:39,524 --> 01:01:39,892
Bonnie?

1868
01:01:39,892 --> 01:01:41,193
>> thank you.

1869
01:01:41,193 --> 01:01:42,928
We can now move to our 10:00

1870
01:01:42,928 --> 01:01:44,928
time certain items.

1871
01:01:45,163 --> 01:01:46,564
We have our first public hearing

1872
01:01:46,564 --> 01:01:47,666
is item d. 1.

1873
01:01:47,666 --> 01:01:50,666
This is a public hearing

1874
01:01:50,769 --> 01:01:51,970
regarding the elapp preserve and

1875
01:01:51,970 --> 01:01:53,970
we have fearest

1876
01:01:54,306 --> 01:01:56,410
forest turbiville who

1877
01:01:56,410 --> 01:01:56,842
will take us through this item.

1878
01:01:56,842 --> 01:01:57,676
George cassady is here if you

1879
01:01:57,676 --> 01:01:58,243
have any questions as well.

1880
01:01:58,243 --> 01:01:59,644
>> ken hagan: all right.

1881
01:01:59,644 --> 01:02:01,613
>> thank you, bonnie and good

1882
01:02:01,613 --> 01:02:02,447
morning, commissioners,

1883
01:02:02,447 --> 01:02:03,949
forest turbiville, conservation

1884
01:02:03,949 --> 01:02:05,784
environmental lands management.

1885
01:02:05,784 --> 01:02:07,286
The item before you today is

1886
01:02:07,286 --> 01:02:08,686
comprised of four requested

1887
01:02:08,686 --> 01:02:10,656
board actions.

1888
01:02:10,656 --> 01:02:11,957
The first action is to hold a

1889
01:02:11,957 --> 01:02:13,925
public hearing to consider the

1890
01:02:13,925 --> 01:02:15,394
transfer of certain property

1891
01:02:15,394 --> 01:02:17,396
rights on the genie and pete

1892
01:02:17,396 --> 01:02:19,732
johnson elapp preserve to the

1893
01:02:19,732 --> 01:02:20,933
county water resources

1894
01:02:20,933 --> 01:02:22,501
department through a perpetual

1895
01:02:22,501 --> 01:02:24,670
easement and a temporary

1896
01:02:24,670 --> 01:02:27,700
construction easement to install

1897
01:02:28,607 --> 01:02:29,708
a water recharge well and

1898
01:02:29,708 --> 01:02:30,810
related compliance monitoring

1899
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:33,345
wells as part of the county's

1900
01:02:33,345 --> 01:02:35,140
south hillsborough aquifer

1901
01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:37,160
recharge program that's also

1902
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,160
known as the sharp program.

1903
01:02:40,850 --> 01:02:40,920
The second action is to adopt a

1904
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,320
resolution designating a portion

1905
01:02:43,656 --> 01:02:45,910
of the preserve for a perpetual

1906
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:46,992
easement and a temporary

1907
01:02:46,992 --> 01:02:47,860
construction easement in

1908
01:02:47,860 --> 01:02:49,361
accordance with the conditions

1909
01:02:49,361 --> 01:02:50,829
that are stipulated in the

1910
01:02:50,829 --> 01:02:52,829
resolution.

1911
01:02:53,231 --> 01:02:54,900
The third action is to approve

1912
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:57,300
and accept these easements which

1913
01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:58,437
will provide the water resources

1914
01:02:58,437 --> 01:03:00,837
department with the necessary

1915
01:03:00,873 --> 01:03:03,873
real estate rights to install,

1916
01:03:04,276 --> 01:03:05,511
operate, and maintain a water

1917
01:03:05,511 --> 01:03:06,279
recharge well and related

1918
01:03:06,279 --> 01:03:07,847
infrastructure as part of the

1919
01:03:07,847 --> 01:03:09,480
sharp program.

1920
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,384
And then finally, the fourth

1921
01:03:11,384 --> 01:03:12,919
action is to approve and execute

1922
01:03:12,919 --> 01:03:14,787
the third amendment to lease

1923
01:03:14,787 --> 01:03:16,222
agreement between the county,

1924
01:03:16,222 --> 01:03:17,757
and southwest florida water

1925
01:03:17,757 --> 01:03:19,659
anagement district, they're the

1926
01:03:19,659 --> 01:03:21,827
property owner, and that's to

1927
01:03:21,827 --> 01:03:23,362
include the new water recharge

1928
01:03:23,362 --> 01:03:25,163
facilities on the preserve and

1929
01:03:25,163 --> 01:03:27,566
ensure that the county provides

1930
01:03:27,566 --> 01:03:30,200
the district with all monthly

1931
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,437
water collection data.

1932
01:03:31,437 --> 01:03:33,837
The conveyance of these

1933
01:03:34,406 --> 01:03:36,442
easements to the water resources

1934
01:03:36,442 --> 01:03:38,842
department meets all necessary

1935
01:03:38,844 --> 01:03:40,713
requirements under the current

1936
01:03:40,713 --> 01:03:43,713
elapp ordinance as well as

1937
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:45,718
ordinance 93-16, and the cost

1938
01:03:45,718 --> 01:03:48,118
associated with recording these

1939
01:03:48,655 --> 01:03:50,423
easements is less than $500.

1940
01:03:50,423 --> 01:03:52,391
A reminder, this is a public

1941
01:03:52,391 --> 01:03:53,293
hearing, and I'm available to

1942
01:03:53,293 --> 01:03:55,461
answer attorney questions and we

1943
01:03:55,461 --> 01:03:56,929
also have staff from the water

1944
01:03:56,929 --> 01:03:57,330
resources department here as

1945
01:03:57,330 --> 01:03:57,963
well.

1946
01:03:57,963 --> 01:03:58,498
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

1947
01:03:58,498 --> 01:04:00,498
you, forest.

1948
01:04:01,734 --> 01:04:02,902
This is a public hearing.

1949
01:04:02,902 --> 01:04:04,504
First two individuals who have

1950
01:04:04,504 --> 01:04:05,839
signed up, gene abundanter

1951
01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:07,139
virtual and then denise herndon.

1952
01:04:07,139 --> 01:04:08,575
Is gene on the line?

1953
01:04:08,575 --> 01:04:09,208
>> gene did not check in.

1954
01:04:09,208 --> 01:04:12,208
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

1955
01:04:17,830 --> 01:04:19,830
you, denise herndon?

1956
01:04:20,153 --> 01:04:20,587
>> good morning, I'm denise

1957
01:04:20,587 --> 01:04:21,321
herndon.

1958
01:04:21,321 --> 01:04:25,521
No one had told me whether or

1959
01:04:26,426 --> 01:04:30,626
not these were approved to go on

1960
01:04:31,298 --> 01:04:33,298
the thing here.

1961
01:04:37,671 --> 01:04:39,272
This is an area where I live.

1962
01:04:39,272 --> 01:04:42,272
My traumatic brain injury is

1963
01:04:42,275 --> 01:04:42,909
hard for me to look up here and

1964
01:04:42,909 --> 01:04:43,643
look down there.

1965
01:04:43,643 --> 01:04:45,643
I get dizzy.

1966
01:04:50,249 --> 01:04:52,853
This is the lake that I live on.

1967
01:04:52,853 --> 01:04:55,555
This little star right here, all

1968
01:04:55,555 --> 01:04:55,722
these properties here used to be

1969
01:04:55,722 --> 01:04:57,722
one.

1970
01:04:57,824 --> 01:05:00,224
They were split up.

1971
01:05:01,270 --> 01:05:03,663
This star way back when tampa

1972
01:05:03,663 --> 01:05:05,732
bay one knew that they were

1973
01:05:05,732 --> 01:05:07,534
going to interrupt the natural

1974
01:05:07,534 --> 01:05:08,435
flow of these three lakes

1975
01:05:08,435 --> 01:05:09,870
because they are spring lakes,

1976
01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:12,472
when they put tampa bypass in,

1977
01:05:12,472 --> 01:05:16,900
they put this lake, gornto lake,

1978
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:17,144
drains into chaplain lake, which

1979
01:05:17,144 --> 01:05:19,112
chapman lake which drains into

1980
01:05:19,112 --> 01:05:19,579
ten mile and then goes up

1981
01:05:19,579 --> 01:05:21,579
underneath 60.

1982
01:05:26,753 --> 01:05:28,422
If they get too high.

1983
01:05:28,422 --> 01:05:29,956
In the 27 years this past monday

1984
01:05:29,956 --> 01:05:32,826
hat I've owned my home, milton

1985
01:05:32,826 --> 01:05:35,429
was the highest it ever went up.

1986
01:05:35,429 --> 01:05:37,498
I had asked the person that I

1987
01:05:37,498 --> 01:05:38,932
had bought it from what's the

1988
01:05:38,932 --> 01:05:42,532
highest that it's ever been, and

1989
01:05:44,104 --> 01:05:45,339
there is kind of like a concrete

1990
01:05:45,339 --> 01:05:48,709
seawall and it's never gone up

1991
01:05:48,709 --> 01:05:51,512
in the 27 years, it went up

1992
01:05:51,512 --> 01:05:55,112
three times but milton it went

1993
01:05:57,170 --> 01:06:01,217
up over it, so eric brown from

1994
01:06:01,455 --> 01:06:03,991
public works says that the

1995
01:06:03,991 --> 01:06:06,991
manmade fence that's next to

1996
01:06:06,994 --> 01:06:09,994
jeff's love coffee where ten

1997
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:13,630
mile lakes goes into up

1998
01:06:15,368 --> 01:06:15,803
underneath the 60, water's

1999
01:06:15,803 --> 01:06:17,400
flowing.

2000
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:17,404
Well not when the water gets

2001
01:06:17,404 --> 01:06:18,706
high.

2002
01:06:18,706 --> 01:06:20,700
It's all overgrown.

2003
01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:22,543
I went there the other day.

2004
01:06:22,543 --> 01:06:23,978
You can't even see the fence

2005
01:06:23,978 --> 01:06:24,378
now, and it wasn't always that

2006
01:06:24,378 --> 01:06:26,470
grown.

2007
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:27,314
I guess somebody's been doing

2008
01:06:27,314 --> 01:06:30,314
something but the county come

2009
01:06:30,918 --> 01:06:31,385
out and spend money to dig that

2010
01:06:31,385 --> 01:06:33,385
ditch out.

2011
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:35,823
But when we need, I'm in a stilt

2012
01:06:35,823 --> 01:06:39,423
home but it's not going to

2013
01:06:41,162 --> 01:06:42,620
affect me, but how many in this

2014
01:06:42,620 --> 01:06:43,129
community all around here

2015
01:06:43,129 --> 01:06:44,698
have gotten flooded before

2016
01:06:44,698 --> 01:06:48,298
milton because like I said, it's

2017
01:06:48,702 --> 01:06:51,702
gotten up high three times

2018
01:06:52,506 --> 01:06:54,141
before milton.

2019
01:06:54,141 --> 01:06:56,944
And is somebody going to change

2020
01:06:56,944 --> 01:06:59,246
the county records like shirlene

2021
01:06:59,246 --> 01:07:02,846
hammond did who's in the dark

2022
01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:05,753
web, a small owner of brandon

2023
01:07:05,753 --> 01:07:08,153
ford concerning this little

2024
01:07:10,591 --> 01:07:11,920
property here that's in the

2025
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,920
redd.

2026
01:07:15,529 --> 01:07:16,931
And I'll never give up, I'll

2027
01:07:16,931 --> 01:07:18,866
never back down until I get

2028
01:07:18,866 --> 01:07:19,267
shirlene hammond that she is

2029
01:07:19,267 --> 01:07:21,267
evil.

2030
01:07:22,403 --> 01:07:23,737
>> ken hagan: thank you, must

2031
01:07:23,737 --> 01:07:25,606
MS. Herndon.

2032
01:07:25,606 --> 01:07:27,141
The next speakers signed up for

2033
01:07:27,141 --> 01:07:28,242
all four public hearings so I'm

2034
01:07:28,242 --> 01:07:29,243
not sure if you want to speak to

2035
01:07:29,243 --> 01:07:30,912
this one.

2036
01:07:30,912 --> 01:07:32,113
It's last name nar and last name

2037
01:07:32,113 --> 01:07:32,346
rogue, it looks like, both

2038
01:07:32,346 --> 01:07:33,448
virtual.

2039
01:07:33,448 --> 01:07:35,848
Did they sign up?

2040
01:07:37,850 --> 01:07:38,219
And do they want to speak?

2041
01:07:38,219 --> 01:07:39,653
>> MR. Chair, they did not sign

2042
01:07:39,653 --> 01:07:39,754
into the meeting.

2043
01:07:39,754 --> 01:07:41,754
`

2044
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:42,423
>> ken hagan: neither one of

2045
01:07:42,423 --> 01:07:44,910
them?

2046
01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:44,759
>> no, sir.

2047
01:07:44,759 --> 01:07:46,759
>> ken hagan: okay.

2048
01:07:48,496 --> 01:07:49,263
That the closes public comment.

2049
01:07:49,263 --> 01:07:49,764
I don't have any board

2050
01:07:49,764 --> 01:07:50,164
discussion.

2051
01:07:50,164 --> 01:07:51,599
can we

2052
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:52,900
I have a motion?

2053
01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:54,702
Motion, commissioner wostal,

2054
01:07:54,702 --> 01:07:56,702
second, commissioner myers.

2055
01:07:59,173 --> 01:08:00,173
Please record your vote on d. 1.

2056
01:08:00,173 --> 01:08:01,309
>> motion carried 7-0.

2057
01:08:01,309 --> 01:08:02,744
>> ken hagan: all right, d. 2.

2058
01:08:02,744 --> 01:08:03,770
>> d. 2, this is our next public

2059
01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:05,770
hearing.

2060
01:08:06,247 --> 01:08:06,781
This is regarding the

2061
01:08:06,781 --> 01:08:07,782
requirements for the

2062
01:08:07,782 --> 01:08:08,950
registration for short-term

2063
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:10,450
vacation rentals.

2064
01:08:10,450 --> 01:08:11,119
And johanna lundgren from the

2065
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:12,554
county attorney's office will

2066
01:08:12,554 --> 01:08:13,530
take us through this public

2067
01:08:13,530 --> 01:08:14,355
hearing.

2068
01:08:14,355 --> 01:08:16,124
This would then be followed by

2069
01:08:16,124 --> 01:08:18,193
item b. 1, which is related to

2070
01:08:18,193 --> 01:08:19,160
this item.

2071
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,595
>> ken hagan: good morning.

2072
01:08:20,595 --> 01:08:22,300
>> good morning, board.

2073
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:24,365
This is a pblic hearing to

2074
01:08:24,365 --> 01:08:25,660
consider the adoption of an

2075
01:08:25,660 --> 01:08:26,801
ordinance providing for a

2076
01:08:26,801 --> 01:08:29,400
requirement for the registration

2077
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,600
of short-term vacation rentals

2078
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,740
and for business regulations of

2079
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:34,209
short-term vacation rentals.

2080
01:08:34,209 --> 01:08:35,677
The ordinance is accompanied by

2081
01:08:35,677 --> 01:08:38,770
a resolution to establish

2082
01:08:38,813 --> 01:08:41,316
related feeds and the ordinance

2083
01:08:41,316 --> 01:08:42,417
is proposed to take effect on

2084
01:08:42,417 --> 01:08:44,817
JANUARY 1st, 2027, in order

2085
01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:45,653
to provide time for

2086
01:08:45,653 --> 01:08:46,388
implementation.

2087
01:08:46,388 --> 01:08:48,388
All legal advertising

2088
01:08:50,158 --> 01:08:51,259
requirements have been met, and

2089
01:08:51,259 --> 01:08:53,894
MR. Joe gross code enforcement

2090
01:08:53,894 --> 01:08:55,764
director is also available for

2091
01:08:55,764 --> 01:08:56,631
any questions.

2092
01:08:56,631 --> 01:08:57,238
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

2093
01:08:57,238 --> 01:08:59,201
you.

2094
01:08:59,201 --> 01:09:00,769
This is a public hearing.

2095
01:09:00,769 --> 01:09:03,271
The first three speakers that

2096
01:09:03,271 --> 01:09:05,671
have signed up, samantha

2097
01:09:06,408 --> 01:09:07,976
freeland, followed by jane

2098
01:09:07,976 --> 01:09:10,976
bonter who's virtual and then

2099
01:09:16,350 --> 01:09:18,350
denise herndon.

2100
01:09:18,420 --> 01:09:19,321
Good morning.

2101
01:09:19,321 --> 01:09:20,555
>> good morning.

2102
01:09:20,555 --> 01:09:22,224
My name is samantha freeland.

2103
01:09:22,224 --> 01:09:23,558
I live in bay crest park.

2104
01:09:23,558 --> 01:09:24,892
I want to start by thanking

2105
01:09:24,892 --> 01:09:26,628
truly you listen to us.

2106
01:09:26,628 --> 01:09:28,300
You took an ordinance when many

2107
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:29,298
neighborhoods felt invisible.

2108
01:09:29,298 --> 01:09:30,399
You consider the amendments

2109
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,568
residents brought forward, two

2110
01:09:32,568 --> 01:09:33,802
of them a real way to report

2111
01:09:33,802 --> 01:09:35,370
problems and progressive fines

2112
01:09:35,370 --> 01:09:37,370
with real enforcement.

2113
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:38,730
They're being added.

2114
01:09:38,730 --> 01:09:39,641
That is not nothing.

2115
01:09:39,641 --> 01:09:41,843
For those of who have spent

2116
01:09:41,843 --> 01:09:43,745
nights documenting noise,

2117
01:09:43,745 --> 01:09:45,813
overcrowding, and the chaos, it

2118
01:09:45,813 --> 01:09:46,982
is a crack of light.

2119
01:09:46,982 --> 01:09:47,849
But I also need to speak

2120
01:09:47,849 --> 01:09:49,918
honestly about what's missing

2121
01:09:49,918 --> 01:09:50,385
and what is its absolutely sense

2122
01:09:50,385 --> 01:09:52,385
feel like.

2123
01:09:52,688 --> 01:09:54,890
We asked for one simple

2124
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:55,991
protection before any short-term

2125
01:09:55,991 --> 01:09:57,126
rental can be -- a life safety

2126
01:09:57,126 --> 01:09:58,893
inspection, not a ban, not a

2127
01:09:58,893 --> 01:10:00,429
limit on how long can stay, just

2128
01:10:00,429 --> 01:10:01,630
a check under the same building

2129
01:10:01,630 --> 01:10:04,630
code and fire prevention code

2130
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,134
that applies to other places

2131
01:10:06,134 --> 01:10:06,902
where public speaks to make sure

2132
01:10:06,902 --> 01:10:08,337
smoke alarms work.

2133
01:10:08,337 --> 01:10:11,337
Exits are clear, and the

2134
01:10:11,941 --> 01:10:12,675
structures -- you did not

2135
01:10:12,675 --> 01:10:13,943
include it.

2136
01:10:13,943 --> 01:10:15,900
I need you to sit with that for

2137
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:17,900
a moment.

2138
01:10:17,947 --> 01:10:19,614
Families will be checking into

2139
01:10:19,614 --> 01:10:21,350
these homes without anyone from

2140
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:22,151
the county verifying the most

2141
01:10:22,151 --> 01:10:23,819
basic safeguards.

2142
01:10:23,819 --> 01:10:26,555
Neighbors go sleep next door not

2143
01:10:26,555 --> 01:10:27,223
knowing whether the house --

2144
01:10:27,223 --> 01:10:27,456
that spreads before help

2145
01:10:27,456 --> 01:10:28,958
arrives.

2146
01:10:28,958 --> 01:10:29,792
That is a quiet fear this

2147
01:10:29,792 --> 01:10:31,193
decision leaves in place, and it

2148
01:10:31,193 --> 01:10:32,128
is a fear no parent, no

2149
01:10:32,128 --> 01:10:33,963
homeowner, and no first

2150
01:10:33,963 --> 01:10:34,864
responder should have to carry

2151
01:10:34,864 --> 01:10:37,264
because an inspection was

2152
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:39,134
treated as an option.

2153
01:10:39,134 --> 01:10:41,300
We are not an abstract policy.

2154
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:41,404
We are the people who smell the

2155
01:10:41,404 --> 01:10:43,305
smoke.

2156
01:10:43,305 --> 01:10:45,774
We are the people whose children

2157
01:10:45,774 --> 01:10:48,209
sleep in the houses next door,

2158
01:10:48,209 --> 01:10:50,746
the ones that will stand in the

2159
01:10:50,746 --> 01:10:53,615
street if a rental becomes an

2160
01:10:53,615 --> 01:10:56,152
inferno and a ladder truck strug

2161
01:10:56,152 --> 01:10:56,852
tools reach the -- so yes, thank

2162
01:10:56,852 --> 01:10:57,586
you for the ordinance.

2163
01:10:57,586 --> 01:10:58,587
Thank you for the two

2164
01:10:58,587 --> 01:10:58,821
amendments, but please hear

2165
01:10:58,821 --> 01:11:00,821
this.

2166
01:11:00,856 --> 01:11:01,223
This cannot be the end of the

2167
01:11:01,223 --> 01:11:02,290
ork.

2168
01:11:02,290 --> 01:11:03,580
An ordinance that still allows

2169
01:11:03,580 --> 01:11:04,292
renningstration without basic

2170
01:11:04,292 --> 01:11:06,494
life safety inspection leaves a

2171
01:11:06,494 --> 01:11:07,496
hole that only becomes visible

2172
01:11:07,496 --> 01:11:08,264
when it is too late and I will

2173
01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:10,131
give you an example.

2174
01:11:10,131 --> 01:11:11,801
We have three homes around me.

2175
01:11:11,801 --> 01:11:12,702
One sleeps 20, it's a

2176
01:11:12,702 --> 01:11:14,136
four-bedroom home.

2177
01:11:14,136 --> 01:11:14,737
One sleeps 18, it's a

2178
01:11:14,737 --> 01:11:16,305
four-bedroom home.

2179
01:11:16,305 --> 01:11:17,640
I have a 1600 square foot home

2180
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,374
around the corner from me that

2181
01:11:19,374 --> 01:11:21,374
sleeps 16 or more.

2182
01:11:21,477 --> 01:11:24,180
These homes have been modified.

2183
01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:24,914
We don't know if there's fire

2184
01:11:24,914 --> 01:11:26,349
safety inspection.

2185
01:11:26,349 --> 01:11:27,617
And they're safe to sleep in.

2186
01:11:27,617 --> 01:11:30,452
These are families coming and

2187
01:11:30,452 --> 01:11:30,987
going all the time from our

2188
01:11:30,987 --> 01:11:31,654
neighborhood.

2189
01:11:31,654 --> 01:11:32,889
We have documented the chaos.

2190
01:11:32,889 --> 01:11:33,890
We've called the sheriff office

2191
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:35,958
for parties with hundreds of

2192
01:11:35,958 --> 01:11:37,393
cars parked in the street.

2193
01:11:37,393 --> 01:11:38,994
I've had drunk people coming to

2194
01:11:38,994 --> 01:11:41,394
my neighborhood's home, walking

2195
01:11:42,298 --> 01:11:43,732
right in the door.

2196
01:11:43,732 --> 01:11:45,602
I've had drunk people climb over

2197
01:11:45,602 --> 01:11:46,335
fences trying to get into a

2198
01:11:46,335 --> 01:11:48,735
neighbor's house that they

2199
01:11:52,475 --> 01:11:53,276
thought was the party they saw

2200
01:11:53,276 --> 01:11:54,409
online to go attend.

2201
01:11:54,409 --> 01:11:56,120
so I thank you for that and we

2202
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:57,780
truly do need this life

2203
01:11:57,780 --> 01:11:59,149
inspection because that is what

2204
01:11:59,149 --> 01:12:00,449
any other business in the coutee

2205
01:12:00,449 --> 01:12:01,350
is required -- county is

2206
01:12:01,350 --> 01:12:02,552
required before they operate

2207
01:12:02,552 --> 01:12:02,886
within the public realm.

2208
01:12:02,886 --> 01:12:03,553
Thank you.

2209
01:12:03,553 --> 01:12:06,550
>> ken hagan: thank you, ma'am.

2210
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:08,550
Appreciate the comments.

2211
01:12:08,591 --> 01:12:09,892
Gene bonter and then denise

2212
01:12:09,892 --> 01:12:12,292
herndon and mark kiddo.

2213
01:12:13,129 --> 01:12:14,264
Is MS. Bonter on the line?

2214
01:12:14,264 --> 01:12:14,663
>> MS. Bonter did not check into

2215
01:12:14,663 --> 01:12:15,298
the meeting.

2216
01:12:15,298 --> 01:12:17,800
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

2217
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,400
you, denise herndon and thec --

2218
01:12:22,839 --> 01:12:24,641
then mark kiddo.

2219
01:12:24,641 --> 01:12:25,508
>> good morning, denise herndon

2220
01:12:25,508 --> 01:12:27,508
again.

2221
01:12:32,214 --> 01:12:32,682
This is an air b&b in my

2222
01:12:32,682 --> 01:12:34,682
community.

2223
01:12:35,919 --> 01:12:38,319
We have -- woo.

2224
01:12:38,822 --> 01:12:41,891
, we have well and septic tank.

2225
01:12:41,891 --> 01:12:44,293
This was a group home when this

2226
01:12:44,293 --> 01:12:47,893
picture was taken, and they had

2227
01:12:47,964 --> 01:12:49,732
to put two new septic tanks in,

2228
01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:50,660
the first guy says this 12349

2229
01:12:50,660 --> 01:12:51,735
big

2230
01:12:51,735 --> 01:12:53,236
12349 -- isn't big enough.

2231
01:12:53,236 --> 01:12:54,538
Now it's -- and they had two

2232
01:12:54,538 --> 01:12:55,872
registered sex offenders.

2233
01:12:55,872 --> 01:12:59,376
I would rather know where the

2234
01:12:59,376 --> 01:13:01,144
sex offenders are with AIRBNBs

2235
01:13:01,144 --> 01:13:02,450
you don't know where the sex

2236
01:13:02,450 --> 01:13:03,546
offenders are because they don't

2237
01:13:03,546 --> 01:13:04,130
have to register as a

2238
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:06,130
short-term.

2239
01:13:06,583 --> 01:13:08,785
And as I've said before,

2240
01:13:08,785 --> 01:13:09,686
short-term anything under six

2241
01:13:09,686 --> 01:13:12,686
months, they're supposed to be

2242
01:13:13,423 --> 01:13:16,423
paying a 6% sales bed tax.

2243
01:13:18,228 --> 01:13:20,228
Florida statute 125.0104.

2244
01:13:22,298 --> 01:13:26,360
And this will help pay for the

2245
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,436
rays stadium, the convention

2246
01:13:30,908 --> 01:13:31,308
enter, are we collecting this

2247
01:13:31,308 --> 01:13:33,308
money?

2248
01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:36,120
The sports authority we're

2249
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:36,612
paying for stuff for our, all of

2250
01:13:36,612 --> 01:13:38,182
our things.

2251
01:13:38,182 --> 01:13:39,716
i think we're being triple

2252
01:13:39,716 --> 01:13:41,716
dipped here.

2253
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:43,387
Bed tax, sports authority, and

2254
01:13:43,387 --> 01:13:44,288
now the cit.

2255
01:13:44,288 --> 01:13:46,557
And wherever else you're going

2256
01:13:46,557 --> 01:13:47,558
to pull this money from.

2257
01:13:47,558 --> 01:13:49,958
For the rays stadium.

2258
01:13:51,829 --> 01:13:53,397
Like I said, I have a problem

2259
01:13:53,397 --> 01:13:55,397
billionaires getting county

2260
01:13:55,632 --> 01:13:56,834
money, and I live in

2261
01:13:56,834 --> 01:13:58,834
unincorporated county even

2262
01:13:58,869 --> 01:14:00,737
though I'm pretty much indigent

2263
01:14:00,737 --> 01:14:04,575
I don't pay as much as a lot of

2264
01:14:04,575 --> 01:14:05,740
other people, but this is

2265
01:14:05,740 --> 01:14:07,740
ridiculous.

2266
01:14:07,244 --> 01:14:08,679
That it was told one way, we're

2267
01:14:08,679 --> 01:14:10,514
not going to -- oh, these are

2268
01:14:10,514 --> 01:14:12,315
for fire stations, these are for

2269
01:14:12,315 --> 01:14:14,184
roads, these are for sidewalks

2270
01:14:14,184 --> 01:14:14,851
and we're going to use it for a

2271
01:14:14,851 --> 01:14:16,860
rays stadium.

2272
01:14:16,860 --> 01:14:17,955
What's going to happen because

2273
01:14:17,955 --> 01:14:21,926
when I kind of looked at it,

2274
01:14:21,926 --> 01:14:25,526
there is no other community in

2275
01:14:28,732 --> 01:14:31,469
the whole country that uses a

2276
01:14:31,469 --> 01:14:31,902
junior college for a sports

2277
01:14:31,902 --> 01:14:33,404
arena.

2278
01:14:33,404 --> 01:14:35,306
Ooh, are we going to have to

2279
01:14:35,306 --> 01:14:36,540
start paying for everything that

2280
01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:38,943
needs to be done to the

2281
01:14:38,943 --> 01:14:41,343
community college because the

2282
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,848
state legislature said that rays

2283
01:14:43,848 --> 01:14:45,282
can be built here.

2284
01:14:45,282 --> 01:14:48,282
That's something that we don't

2285
01:14:49,487 --> 01:14:49,773
even know yet, so we're triple

2286
01:14:49,773 --> 01:14:51,489
dippal.

2287
01:14:51,489 --> 01:14:52,856
For the rays stadium, and this

2288
01:14:52,856 --> 01:14:54,825
needs to stop.

2289
01:14:54,825 --> 01:14:57,280
You guys are stewards of our

2290
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,295
money, and you're fought doing --

2291
01:14:58,295 --> 01:15:01,980
you're not doing it well, and we

2292
01:15:01,980 --> 01:15:03,533
don't need an african american

2293
01:15:03,533 --> 01:15:05,933
arts and cultural center.

2294
01:15:06,270 --> 01:15:07,537
We need sidewalks more.

2295
01:15:07,537 --> 01:15:09,407
We need -- there are some places

2296
01:15:09,407 --> 01:15:12,677
there is not even any sidewalks.

2297
01:15:12,677 --> 01:15:14,677
We need roads.

2298
01:15:15,580 --> 01:15:17,514
Over behind the skating rink in

2299
01:15:17,514 --> 01:15:19,317
brandon one, some pipes going to

2300
01:15:19,317 --> 01:15:21,285
be collapsing because there is a

2301
01:15:21,285 --> 01:15:23,653
big dip right behind it.

2302
01:15:23,653 --> 01:15:24,856
So let's get stuff done.

2303
01:15:24,856 --> 01:15:25,356
>> ken hagan: thank you,

2304
01:15:25,356 --> 01:15:27,356
MS. Herndon.

2305
01:15:29,727 --> 01:15:30,194
Mark kiddo then greg nemey who's

2306
01:15:30,194 --> 01:15:32,194
virtual.

2307
01:15:33,731 --> 01:15:34,866
Last speaker.

2308
01:15:34,866 --> 01:15:35,666
Good morning.

2309
01:15:35,666 --> 01:15:37,635
>> good morning, commissioners.

2310
01:15:37,635 --> 01:15:41,272
My name is mark kiddo, I want to

2311
01:15:41,272 --> 01:15:41,739
thank the board, what was that?

2312
01:15:41,739 --> 01:15:42,273
Okay.

2313
01:15:42,273 --> 01:15:43,740
>> ken hagan: time's up.

2314
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:44,342
>> I want to thank the board for

2315
01:15:44,342 --> 01:15:46,440
dopting a shorts-term rental

2316
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:47,450
ordinance and for taking

2317
01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:48,713
seriously the amendments

2318
01:15:48,713 --> 01:15:51,113
residents placed before you.

2319
01:15:51,249 --> 01:15:52,449
Two of those protections a real

2320
01:15:52,449 --> 01:15:54,319
complaint system and progressive

2321
01:15:54,319 --> 01:15:56,540
fines with proactive enforcement

2322
01:15:56,540 --> 01:15:58,540
are moving forward.

2323
01:15:58,856 --> 01:16:00,291
That matters, it is progress,

2324
01:16:00,291 --> 01:16:00,692
but progress is not the finish

2325
01:16:00,692 --> 01:16:02,427
line.

2326
01:16:02,427 --> 01:16:02,893
This ordinance is only the

2327
01:16:02,893 --> 01:16:04,596
beginning.

2328
01:16:04,596 --> 01:16:05,830
Paper on the books does not

2329
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:07,164
protect the single-family, a

2330
01:16:07,164 --> 01:16:09,367
single guest, or a single

2331
01:16:09,367 --> 01:16:11,350
neighborhood until it produces

2332
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:12,136
actionable results.

2333
01:16:12,136 --> 01:16:13,337
Registration without

2334
01:16:13,337 --> 01:16:15,390
accountability is a list.

2335
01:16:15,390 --> 01:16:15,807
Fines without follow-through are

2336
01:16:15,807 --> 01:16:17,742
empty words.

2337
01:16:17,742 --> 01:16:18,209
The test is not whether you pass

2338
01:16:18,209 --> 01:16:20,209
something.

2339
01:16:20,912 --> 01:16:21,880
The test is whether lives and

2340
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:22,947
property are safer because of

2341
01:16:22,947 --> 01:16:24,947
what you did.

2342
01:16:25,917 --> 01:16:26,384
Which brings me to what is still

2343
01:16:26,384 --> 01:16:28,384
missing.

2344
01:16:28,852 --> 01:16:30,622
Mandatory safety inspection

2345
01:16:30,622 --> 01:16:31,389
before registration was not

2346
01:16:31,389 --> 01:16:32,824
included.

2347
01:16:32,824 --> 01:16:34,359
That decision carries weight.

2348
01:16:34,359 --> 01:16:36,194
Short-term rentals have burned,

2349
01:16:36,194 --> 01:16:37,829
homes have been destroyed,

2350
01:16:37,829 --> 01:16:38,296
surrounding properties have been

2351
01:16:38,296 --> 01:16:39,697
damaged.

2352
01:16:39,697 --> 01:16:40,832
Lives have been put at risk, and

2353
01:16:40,832 --> 01:16:42,832
inin

2354
01:16:43,602 --> 01:16:44,636
insome places lost, these are

2355
01:16:44,636 --> 01:16:45,837
not theritical harms.

2356
01:16:45,837 --> 01:16:46,771
They are documented ones.

2357
01:16:46,771 --> 01:16:47,972
You are now on notice.

2358
01:16:47,972 --> 01:16:49,107
I need you to understand what

2359
01:16:49,107 --> 01:16:50,475
that decision lands like in a

2360
01:16:50,475 --> 01:16:52,511
neighborhood that is already

2361
01:16:52,511 --> 01:16:53,478
watched short-term rentals

2362
01:16:53,478 --> 01:16:54,612
multiple that has already called

2363
01:16:54,612 --> 01:16:56,515
the sheriff when dozens of

2364
01:16:56,515 --> 01:16:58,183
people poured into a single

2365
01:16:58,183 --> 01:16:59,617
house, that already lives with

2366
01:16:59,617 --> 01:17:01,820
the knowledge that the next fire

2367
01:17:01,820 --> 01:17:04,289
MAY not be someone else's story.

2368
01:17:04,289 --> 01:17:05,824
If a short-term rental in

2369
01:17:05,824 --> 01:17:06,825
hillsborough county becomes the

2370
01:17:06,825 --> 01:17:08,160
site of a fire that takes the

2371
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,595
life of a vacationer, neighbor,

2372
01:17:10,595 --> 01:17:12,597
or a first responder, or that

2373
01:17:12,597 --> 01:17:15,597
destroys a neighbor's home, this

2374
01:17:15,667 --> 01:17:17,202
board willobe part -- will own

2375
01:17:17,202 --> 01:17:18,170
part of that outcome.

2376
01:17:18,170 --> 01:17:18,971
Not because you created the

2377
01:17:18,971 --> 01:17:20,639
industry, but because you had

2378
01:17:20,639 --> 01:17:21,607
the chance to require basic life

2379
01:17:21,607 --> 01:17:23,375
safety inspection under the

2380
01:17:23,375 --> 01:17:26,375
florida building code and fire

2381
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:28,780
predges code -- prevention code

2382
01:17:28,780 --> 01:17:29,548
before registration took effect.

2383
01:17:29,548 --> 01:17:30,749
You chose not to.

2384
01:17:30,749 --> 01:17:31,883
There is a practical path a.

2385
01:17:31,883 --> 01:17:32,985
Modest value added fee on

2386
01:17:32,985 --> 01:17:33,452
registration can fund the

2387
01:17:33,452 --> 01:17:34,852
inspections.

2388
01:17:34,852 --> 01:17:36,854
Fire personnel already trained

2389
01:17:36,854 --> 01:17:38,524
in the lifesaving standards can

2390
01:17:38,524 --> 01:17:40,258
conduct them.

2391
01:17:40,258 --> 01:17:40,826
The system can be

2392
01:17:40,826 --> 01:17:42,826
self-sustaining.

2393
01:17:42,995 --> 01:17:44,797
It protects guests, it protects

2394
01:17:44,797 --> 01:17:45,300
neighbors, it protects the

2395
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:46,365
county.

2396
01:17:46,365 --> 01:17:47,833
Other counties have already

2397
01:17:47,833 --> 01:17:48,200
shown that it can done within

2398
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:48,967
state law.

2399
01:17:48,967 --> 01:17:50,903
We ask for it.

2400
01:17:50,903 --> 01:17:51,303
The records shows why it

2401
01:17:51,303 --> 01:17:52,771
matters.

2402
01:17:52,771 --> 01:17:54,740
So again, I thank you for what

2403
01:17:54,740 --> 01:17:56,308
you did adopt, and I urge you

2404
01:17:56,308 --> 01:17:57,843
not to, do not treat this

2405
01:17:57,843 --> 01:17:59,843
ordinance as complete.

2406
01:17:59,845 --> 01:18:01,612
Demand results, revisit the life

2407
01:18:01,612 --> 01:18:03,414
safety inspection because when

2408
01:18:03,414 --> 01:18:05,840
the next preventable tragedy

2409
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:06,617
happens, the question will not

2410
01:18:06,617 --> 01:18:07,486
be whether you have an

2411
01:18:07,486 --> 01:18:09,486
ordinance.

2412
01:18:10,489 --> 01:18:11,857
The question will be whether you

2413
01:18:11,857 --> 01:18:12,424
have the courage to make it mean

2414
01:18:12,424 --> 01:18:13,525
something.

2415
01:18:13,525 --> 01:18:14,259
Thank you for your time.

2416
01:18:14,259 --> 01:18:16,280
>> ken hagan: thank you,

2417
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:17,530
MR. Kiddo.

2418
01:18:17,530 --> 01:18:20,530
Greg nemey virtual, did greg

2419
01:18:20,833 --> 01:18:22,401
sign up?

2420
01:18:22,401 --> 01:18:22,934
>> greg, can you hear us?

2421
01:18:22,934 --> 01:18:24,203
>> I can.

2422
01:18:24,203 --> 01:18:25,871
Can you hear me?

2423
01:18:25,871 --> 01:18:27,606
>> yes, we can, sir, go ahead.

2424
01:18:27,606 --> 01:18:29,174
>> ken hagan: yes, please

2425
01:18:29,174 --> 01:18:30,276
continue.

2426
01:18:30,276 --> 01:18:31,777
>> first, thank you to the

2427
01:18:31,777 --> 01:18:34,647
commissioners for taking up the

2428
01:18:34,647 --> 01:18:36,715
issue of short-term and vacation

2429
01:18:36,715 --> 01:18:37,249
rentals in our residential

2430
01:18:37,249 --> 01:18:38,483
neighborhoods.

2431
01:18:38,483 --> 01:18:40,720
It's a topic which has proven to

2432
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,253
be a serious problem in our

2433
01:18:42,253 --> 01:18:44,690
communities, one which I believe

2434
01:18:44,690 --> 01:18:46,458
is well past due for common

2435
01:18:46,458 --> 01:18:47,793
sense regulation.

2436
01:18:47,793 --> 01:18:50,196
The bay crest park development

2437
01:18:50,196 --> 01:18:51,430
where I live is a long

2438
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:53,132
established neighborhood of

2439
01:18:53,132 --> 01:18:55,100
single-family houses.

2440
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:56,635
`it has always been a close knit

2441
01:18:56,635 --> 01:18:57,993
community where we take -- where

2442
01:18:57,993 --> 01:19:00,606
we know our neighbors and take

2443
01:19:00,606 --> 01:19:02,374
pride in our homes.

2444
01:19:02,374 --> 01:19:04,774
Since hurricane helene, there

2445
01:19:06,879 --> 01:19:09,414
are now over 125 of these homes

2446
01:19:09,414 --> 01:19:10,516
being rented shorttime

2447
01:19:10,516 --> 01:19:11,184
short-term and

2448
01:19:11,184 --> 01:19:11,817
vacation rentals.

2449
01:19:11,817 --> 01:19:12,518
They are changing the character

2450
01:19:12,518 --> 01:19:14,420
of the neighborhood.

2451
01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:15,421
not all of those businesses have

2452
01:19:15,421 --> 01:19:17,421
caused problems.

2453
01:19:18,925 --> 01:19:20,793
Some are well run, bed their

2454
01:19:20,793 --> 01:19:23,162
clients and exercise restraints,

2455
01:19:23,162 --> 01:19:24,596
understanding that this is not a

2456
01:19:24,596 --> 01:19:26,131
tourist town but a residential

2457
01:19:26,131 --> 01:19:27,667
family neighborhood.

2458
01:19:27,667 --> 01:19:30,670
Unfortunately, the economics of

2459
01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:34,700
the str business rate incentives

2460
01:19:34,574 --> 01:19:36,342
for bad actors to cut corners.

2461
01:19:36,342 --> 01:19:38,478
They ignore the building codes,

2462
01:19:38,478 --> 01:19:40,747
safety, fire, and occupancy

2463
01:19:40,747 --> 01:19:41,948
laws, in order to maximize

2464
01:19:41,948 --> 01:19:43,948
short-term profits.

2465
01:19:44,217 --> 01:19:46,986
When this causes problems for

2466
01:19:46,986 --> 01:19:48,654
full-time residents, the current

2467
01:19:48,654 --> 01:19:50,823
regulatory system has left us

2468
01:19:50,823 --> 01:19:52,991
without protection or recourse.

2469
01:19:52,991 --> 01:19:54,494
That is why this ordinance is so

2470
01:19:54,494 --> 01:19:56,494
badly needed.

2471
01:19:56,996 --> 01:19:59,396
With over 3,000 such businesses

2472
01:19:59,666 --> 01:20:01,467
already operating in the county,

2473
01:20:01,467 --> 01:20:03,703
these programs will continue to

2474
01:20:03,703 --> 01:20:05,572
grow until they are addressed

2475
01:20:05,572 --> 01:20:06,973
and this ordinance provides a

2476
01:20:06,973 --> 01:20:09,409
framework for doing that now

2477
01:20:09,409 --> 01:20:10,944
before it's too late.

2478
01:20:10,944 --> 01:20:14,544
Finally I wish to join my

2479
01:20:14,547 --> 01:20:16,883
neighbors in asking one further

2480
01:20:16,883 --> 01:20:18,170
addition to this ordinance.

2481
01:20:18,170 --> 01:20:20,417
Understanding the main purpose

2482
01:20:21,870 --> 01:20:23,890
of the resolution is as it

2483
01:20:23,890 --> 01:20:25,158
states to protect the health,

2484
01:20:25,158 --> 01:20:27,360
safety, and welfare of

2485
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:28,595
hillsborough county citizens and

2486
01:20:28,595 --> 01:20:30,229
visitors and knowing that a

2487
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:32,399
large number of these businesses

2488
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:35,399
have already begun operating in

2489
01:20:35,701 --> 01:20:37,437
the county without inspecting

2490
01:20:37,437 --> 01:20:38,972
regulation, I wish to encourage

2491
01:20:38,972 --> 01:20:41,400
the board to add one new clause

2492
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:42,909
to section e, that clause should

2493
01:20:42,909 --> 01:20:45,212
provide that each such

2494
01:20:45,212 --> 01:20:47,612
short-term rental property shall

2495
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:51,551
receive an initial inspection as

2496
01:20:51,551 --> 01:20:54,287
soon after the filing of their

2497
01:20:54,287 --> 01:20:55,188
affidavit of compliance as the

2498
01:20:55,188 --> 01:20:56,656
county enforcement officer is

2499
01:20:56,656 --> 01:20:58,191
available for such purpose.

2500
01:20:58,191 --> 01:21:00,560
This specific and narrow scope

2501
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,530
of this initial inspection will

2502
01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:06,660
be to ensure that minimal

2503
01:21:06,660 --> 01:21:08,466
conditions necessary to protect

2504
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:11,805
the safety and property of both

2505
01:21:11,805 --> 01:21:13,440
the residents in the surrounding

2506
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:15,741
neighborhood and of the visitors

2507
01:21:15,741 --> 01:21:18,412
in that facility will be taken

2508
01:21:18,412 --> 01:21:20,280
care of.

2509
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,510
I would lielg like to thank you

2510
01:21:24,510 --> 01:21:25,520
once again for taking this up.

2511
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:25,886
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir.

2512
01:21:25,886 --> 01:21:26,119
All right that closes public

2513
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:26,887
comment.

2514
01:21:26,887 --> 01:21:27,354
We will go into board

2515
01:21:27,354 --> 01:21:29,354
discussion.

2516
01:21:29,622 --> 01:21:30,900
Commissioner wostal, you're

2517
01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:30,691
recognized.

2518
01:21:30,691 --> 01:21:31,910
>> joshua wostal: thank you,

2519
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:32,526
MR. Chair.

2520
01:21:32,526 --> 01:21:34,728
And I would just say to the

2521
01:21:34,728 --> 01:21:35,829
speakers I have no doubt just

2522
01:21:35,829 --> 01:21:38,632
like every other ordinance that

2523
01:21:38,632 --> 01:21:40,334
we put into place initially we

2524
01:21:40,334 --> 01:21:43,203
always come back with changes,

2525
01:21:43,203 --> 01:21:45,603
maybe unexpected -- unintended

2526
01:21:45,906 --> 01:21:47,508
consequences or simply

2527
01:21:47,508 --> 01:21:48,442
oversights and I'll continue to

2528
01:21:48,442 --> 01:21:50,778
be supportive of this.

2529
01:21:50,778 --> 01:21:52,346
Director gross has personally

2530
01:21:52,346 --> 01:21:54,981
assisted me in dealing with

2531
01:21:54,981 --> 01:21:56,116
residents that have been

2532
01:21:56,116 --> 01:21:58,116
intentionally abused by

2533
01:21:58,919 --> 01:22:00,554
neighbors that are hosting what

2534
01:22:00,554 --> 01:22:02,189
is commonly referred to as

2535
01:22:02,189 --> 01:22:03,691
accessory dwelling units in

2536
01:22:03,691 --> 01:22:05,691
these short-term rentals.

2537
01:22:06,961 --> 01:22:08,861
I know that they plague the west

2538
01:22:08,861 --> 01:22:10,263
tampa community as well as the

2539
01:22:10,263 --> 01:22:12,498
town 'n' country area.

2540
01:22:12,498 --> 01:22:15,469
We've ran into situations of

2541
01:22:15,469 --> 01:22:17,738
people parbing r -- parking

2542
01:22:17,738 --> 01:22:19,206
RVs in their parking lots and

2543
01:22:19,206 --> 01:22:20,774
running pvc pipe and drilling

2544
01:22:20,774 --> 01:22:21,509
into their sewage lines and

2545
01:22:21,509 --> 01:22:23,430
arenting out those.

2546
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:24,378
It's a myriad of problems that

2547
01:22:24,378 --> 01:22:26,213
exist with this.

2548
01:22:26,213 --> 01:22:28,249
I for one am a fan of the least

2549
01:22:28,249 --> 01:22:28,816
amount of government as

2550
01:22:28,816 --> 01:22:30,451
possible.

2551
01:22:30,451 --> 01:22:31,452
but unfortunately in this

2552
01:22:31,452 --> 01:22:33,954
situation, there is just so many

2553
01:22:33,954 --> 01:22:36,590
bad actors that unless society

2554
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:39,459
is willing to accept vigilante

2555
01:22:39,459 --> 01:22:41,395
behavior, we're going to have to

2556
01:22:41,395 --> 01:22:44,395
empower staff to regulate these

2557
01:22:44,565 --> 01:22:46,534
and more importantly the

2558
01:22:46,534 --> 01:22:48,302
sheriffs, empower them to not

2559
01:22:48,302 --> 01:22:50,302
violate constitutional rights,

2560
01:22:50,538 --> 01:22:52,840
but when we plan for these

2561
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,375
ommunities, we plan for certain

2562
01:22:55,375 --> 01:22:57,712
things like impacts to the roads

2563
01:22:57,712 --> 01:22:59,460
and mobility and parking

2564
01:22:59,460 --> 01:23:02,460
requirements, and when you have

2565
01:23:02,983 --> 01:23:04,418
houses that being listed as

2566
01:23:04,418 --> 01:23:06,320
revenue generator for four

2567
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,889
families in a single family

2568
01:23:07,889 --> 01:23:10,289
home, well you're introducing

2569
01:23:10,525 --> 01:23:11,626
new impacts that we didn't

2570
01:23:11,626 --> 01:23:12,827
originally expect and charge

2571
01:23:12,827 --> 01:23:14,827
that developer.

2572
01:23:14,896 --> 01:23:16,300
And that new homeowner that is

2573
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:17,965
now turning this into a business

2574
01:23:17,965 --> 01:23:19,534
should be held accountable to

2575
01:23:19,534 --> 01:23:20,968
pay all of those additional

2576
01:23:20,968 --> 01:23:23,368
impacts to the surrounding

2577
01:23:23,538 --> 01:23:24,872
community that were not planned planned

2578
01:23:24,872 --> 01:23:25,273
for when that community was

2579
01:23:25,273 --> 01:23:26,874
built.

2580
01:23:26,874 --> 01:23:28,900
One thing that did stick out to

2581
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:29,977
me from one of the speakers that

2582
01:23:29,977 --> 01:23:32,780
I agree with is that I believe

2583
01:23:32,780 --> 01:23:35,490
that the initial fee if it's

2584
01:23:35,490 --> 01:23:37,510
$200 to create them in the

2585
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:38,853
database and the system is fine.

2586
01:23:38,853 --> 01:23:39,988
I don't know that the

2587
01:23:39,988 --> 01:23:42,388
reoccurring fee annually should

2588
01:23:42,422 --> 01:23:44,822
be that same amount.

2589
01:23:45,526 --> 01:23:48,662
I think it should be more of

2590
01:23:48,662 --> 01:23:51,320
when bona fide complaints and

2591
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,268
inspections produce a result,

2592
01:23:53,268 --> 01:23:55,436
then you know we fine them, and

2593
01:23:55,436 --> 01:23:58,673
those fines should be being used

2594
01:23:58,673 --> 01:23:59,908
to directly benefit the code

2595
01:23:59,908 --> 01:24:01,576
enforcement's budget and pay for

2596
01:24:01,576 --> 01:24:03,410
their staff's time.

2597
01:24:03,410 --> 01:24:07,100
So I don't know if we've

2598
01:24:07,515 --> 01:24:09,650
discussed exactly what the

2599
01:24:09,650 --> 01:24:10,951
$600,000 a year expected is

2600
01:24:10,951 --> 01:24:12,951
going to be.

2601
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,924
i don't know what, went into

2602
01:24:15,924 --> 01:24:17,792
deciding tht it needs to be

2603
01:24:17,792 --> 01:24:20,192
$200 a year every year.

2604
01:24:20,729 --> 01:24:22,663
The initial registration fee I'd

2605
01:24:22,663 --> 01:24:24,999
understand, and paying for

2606
01:24:24,999 --> 01:24:26,134
inspections and then fines, bt,

2607
01:24:26,134 --> 01:24:27,836
if somebody has an answer for

2608
01:24:27,836 --> 01:24:28,169
that, I would be happy to hear

2609
01:24:28,169 --> 01:24:30,169
it.

2610
01:24:30,338 --> 01:24:33,508
The other thing that I'm wanted

2611
01:24:33,508 --> 01:24:37,708
to ask is that when we fine

2612
01:24:37,779 --> 01:24:38,979
someone, are we able to then

2613
01:24:38,979 --> 01:24:41,379
proceed into court afterwards?

2614
01:24:45,353 --> 01:24:45,754
Like we do for fining anyone

2615
01:24:45,754 --> 01:24:47,210
else?

2616
01:24:47,210 --> 01:24:48,723
>> I'm going to ask johanna if

2617
01:24:48,723 --> 01:24:49,190
she can come up and answer those

2618
01:24:49,190 --> 01:24:50,625
questions.

2619
01:24:50,625 --> 01:24:52,760
One as it relates to your

2620
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:53,929
question on how they determine

2621
01:24:53,929 --> 01:24:57,529
the fee, and second as it

2622
01:24:57,966 --> 01:25:00,366
relates to the enforcement.

2623
01:25:00,969 --> 01:25:02,700
>> yes, commissioner.

2624
01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:03,405
The $200 resolution -- fee

2625
01:25:03,405 --> 01:25:04,773
that's proposed to be

2626
01:25:04,773 --> 01:25:06,975
established by resolution for

2627
01:25:06,975 --> 01:25:09,277
the annual registration was

2628
01:25:09,277 --> 01:25:11,677
determined based on coordination

2629
01:25:12,581 --> 01:25:15,751
with code enforcement to kind of

2630
01:25:15,751 --> 01:25:17,152
evaluate what would support the

2631
01:25:17,152 --> 01:25:19,320
implementation of the program.

2632
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:21,188
It's expected that there will be

2633
01:25:21,188 --> 01:25:22,323
a vendor who wile be selected in

2634
01:25:22,323 --> 01:25:25,894
order to -- will be selected in

2635
01:25:25,894 --> 01:25:28,831
order to establish the web-based

2636
01:25:28,831 --> 01:25:31,231
registry and the $200 is

2637
01:25:31,599 --> 01:25:33,635
proposed to support the

2638
01:25:33,635 --> 01:25:35,635
implementation and ongoing

2639
01:25:35,704 --> 01:25:36,705
monitoring and code enforcement

2640
01:25:36,705 --> 01:25:38,705
staff time.

2641
01:25:39,741 --> 01:25:40,975
It is significantly lower than

2642
01:25:40,975 --> 01:25:42,430
most of the other local

2643
01:25:42,430 --> 01:25:44,443
governments throughout the state

2644
01:25:44,980 --> 01:25:45,714
that we've looked at.

2645
01:25:45,714 --> 01:25:46,415
>> joshua wostal: okay.

2646
01:25:46,415 --> 01:25:47,882
That's a fair enough answer.

2647
01:25:47,882 --> 01:25:48,584
Thank you.

2648
01:25:48,584 --> 01:25:49,351
>> joshua wostal: and

2649
01:25:49,351 --> 01:25:51,751
additionally on the code

2650
01:25:53,655 --> 01:25:55,624
enforcement side, violations of

2651
01:25:55,624 --> 01:25:57,959
the ordinance would be processed

2652
01:25:57,959 --> 01:25:59,940
through code enforcement, so

2653
01:25:59,940 --> 01:26:00,950
there would be the opportunity

2654
01:26:00,950 --> 01:26:02,397
once it's determined that

2655
01:26:02,397 --> 01:26:03,465
someone's operating without a

2656
01:26:03,465 --> 01:26:06,465
registration, do go through the

2657
01:26:09,104 --> 01:26:10,105
code enforcement process with

2658
01:26:10,105 --> 01:26:10,939
that.

2659
01:26:10,939 --> 01:26:12,241
>> joshua wostal: which if they

2660
01:26:12,241 --> 01:26:13,609
don't comply can eventually lead

2661
01:26:13,609 --> 01:26:14,175
to going to court.

2662
01:26:14,175 --> 01:26:14,842
>> absolutely.

2663
01:26:14,842 --> 01:26:15,110
>> joshua wostal: okay, because

2664
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:16,579
that have

2665
01:26:16,579 --> 01:26:17,746
is a very strong

2666
01:26:17,746 --> 01:26:18,514
enforcement mechanism that I

2667
01:26:18,514 --> 01:26:20,349
think has been understated.

2668
01:26:20,349 --> 01:26:23,949
I mean, that is something that

2669
01:26:24,219 --> 01:26:25,254
will properly motivate a bad

2670
01:26:25,254 --> 01:26:26,255
actor to adhere to the

2671
01:26:26,255 --> 01:26:26,822
ordinance, so thank you for

2672
01:26:26,822 --> 01:26:28,230
clearing that up.

2673
01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:28,557
Thank you.

2674
01:26:28,557 --> 01:26:30,957
>> ken hagan: all right,

2675
01:26:33,828 --> 01:26:34,496
commissioner cohen.

2676
01:26:34,496 --> 01:26:35,664
>> christine miller: he is going

2677
01:26:35,664 --> 01:26:36,432
to let me jump in.

2678
01:26:36,432 --> 01:26:36,665
>> ken hagan: commissioner

2679
01:26:36,665 --> 01:26:37,333
miller.

2680
01:26:37,333 --> 01:26:37,599
>> christine miller: thank you,

2681
01:26:37,599 --> 01:26:38,200
MR. Chair.

2682
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:38,934
First I wanted to give credit

2683
01:26:38,934 --> 01:26:40,269
where credit is due.

2684
01:26:40,269 --> 01:26:43,269
And thank commissioner cohen for

2685
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:45,775
leading the charge on this item and for

2686
01:26:45,775 --> 01:26:47,510
getting us to this point.

2687
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:48,844
I think that we know we're

2688
01:26:48,844 --> 01:26:50,579
addressing a needed change.

2689
01:26:50,579 --> 01:26:51,680
When most of the e-mails in

2690
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,450
opposition are just to make it

2691
01:26:54,450 --> 01:26:55,384
more strict, so I'm very pleased

2692
01:26:55,384 --> 01:26:55,618
that we're bringing this

2693
01:26:55,618 --> 01:26:56,652
forward.

2694
01:26:56,652 --> 01:26:57,386
This ordinance gives the county

2695
01:26:57,386 --> 01:26:58,854
an important framework for

2696
01:26:58,854 --> 01:26:59,788
addressing short-term rentals

2697
01:26:59,788 --> 01:27:00,590
while protecting the quality of

2698
01:27:00,590 --> 01:27:02,958
life in our neighborhoods, and

2699
01:27:02,958 --> 01:27:03,358
I'm happy to support this item

2700
01:27:03,358 --> 01:27:04,794
today.

2701
01:27:04,794 --> 01:27:07,630
i know that our staff will

2702
01:27:07,630 --> 01:27:08,664
continue to monitor and

2703
01:27:08,664 --> 01:27:10,833
implement and advise the board

2704
01:27:10,833 --> 01:27:12,680
as modifications and stronger

2705
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:12,468
policies are needed moving

2706
01:27:12,468 --> 01:27:13,436
forward.

2707
01:27:13,436 --> 01:27:14,636
So thank you for your leadership

2708
01:27:14,636 --> 01:27:15,403
on this, sir.

2709
01:27:15,403 --> 01:27:15,605
>> ken hagan: commissioner

2710
01:27:15,605 --> 01:27:16,239
cohen.

2711
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:16,438
>> harry cohen: thank you very

2712
01:27:16,438 --> 01:27:18,438
much.

2713
01:27:18,474 --> 01:27:20,509
And thank you, MR. Chair.

2714
01:27:20,509 --> 01:27:22,378
Several months ago I asked the

2715
01:27:22,378 --> 01:27:23,478
county attorney to look into

2716
01:27:23,478 --> 01:27:25,878
available options to better

2717
01:27:25,982 --> 01:27:27,950
address the impacts created by

2718
01:27:27,950 --> 01:27:30,190
short-term vacation rentals and

2719
01:27:30,190 --> 01:27:31,687
support effective enforcement

2720
01:27:31,687 --> 01:27:32,550
when violations of the code

2721
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:34,550
occur.

2722
01:27:34,590 --> 01:27:37,193
And this was directly the result

2723
01:27:37,193 --> 01:27:40,793
of citizen complaints to all of

2724
01:27:41,230 --> 01:27:43,799
our offices related to parties

2725
01:27:43,799 --> 01:27:44,800
and, you know, 40 people are

2726
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,503
next door in the middle of the

2727
01:27:47,503 --> 01:27:50,773
night all making lots of noise

2728
01:27:50,773 --> 01:27:51,207
and who can we call to get some

2729
01:27:51,207 --> 01:27:53,207
relief.

2730
01:27:53,209 --> 01:27:55,277
The florida legislature has

2731
01:27:55,277 --> 01:27:56,246
preempted local governments from

2732
01:27:56,246 --> 01:27:58,214
regulating the zoning locations

2733
01:27:58,214 --> 01:28:00,614
of short-term vacation rentals

2734
01:28:00,850 --> 01:28:02,218
and rental durations beyond the

2735
01:28:02,218 --> 01:28:04,618
existing regulations that the

2736
01:28:05,155 --> 01:28:06,389
county had in effect in 2011.

2737
01:28:06,389 --> 01:28:08,657
Code enforcement staff and the

2738
01:28:08,657 --> 01:28:10,159
county attorney's office have

2739
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:11,394
coordinated to develop an

2740
01:28:11,394 --> 01:28:13,396
ordinance that is designed to

2741
01:28:13,396 --> 01:28:15,131
address the issues presented by

2742
01:28:15,131 --> 01:28:16,398
short-term vacation rentals

2743
01:28:16,398 --> 01:28:17,834
within the framework of state

2744
01:28:17,834 --> 01:28:18,835
law.

2745
01:28:18,835 --> 01:28:20,469
Short-term vacation rental

2746
01:28:20,469 --> 01:28:22,172
owners will be required to

2747
01:28:22,172 --> 01:28:23,639
register with the county and

2748
01:28:23,639 --> 01:28:24,941
comply with significant

2749
01:28:24,941 --> 01:28:26,941
operational requirements.

2750
01:28:27,242 --> 01:28:28,844
The ordinance will support

2751
01:28:28,844 --> 01:28:30,947
monitoring enforcement and rapid

2752
01:28:30,947 --> 01:28:32,182
resolution of nuisances

2753
01:28:32,182 --> 01:28:34,182
affecting neighborhoods.

2754
01:28:34,417 --> 01:28:35,885
The ordinance includes

2755
01:28:35,885 --> 01:28:37,885
additional important features.

2756
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:39,656
The owner must provide an

2757
01:28:39,656 --> 01:28:41,656
affidavit affirming compliance

2758
01:28:41,858 --> 01:28:44,160
with the code of ordinances and

2759
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,300
land development code, and the

2760
01:28:47,300 --> 01:28:49,266
owner must authorize inspections

2761
01:28:49,266 --> 01:28:50,867
which can occur anytime upon the

2762
01:28:50,867 --> 01:28:51,968
request by code enforcement or

2763
01:28:51,968 --> 01:28:52,969
the sheriff.

2764
01:28:52,969 --> 01:28:55,972
I'm going to come back to this

2765
01:28:55,972 --> 01:28:57,106
in a minute because it relates

2766
01:28:57,106 --> 01:28:58,441
to one of the issues thatt was

2767
01:28:58,441 --> 01:28:59,876
brawtd up in public comment.

2768
01:28:59,876 --> 01:29:00,310
-- that was brought up in public

2769
01:29:00,310 --> 01:29:01,912
comment.

2770
01:29:01,912 --> 01:29:02,913
The owner must designate a local

2771
01:29:02,913 --> 01:29:04,470
responsible party to manage the

2772
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:05,882
property, and who can be called

2773
01:29:05,882 --> 01:29:07,384
on by code enforcement, law

2774
01:29:07,384 --> 01:29:09,784
enforcement, or other county

2775
01:29:10,354 --> 01:29:11,254
agencies to timely respond to

2776
01:29:11,254 --> 01:29:12,856
issues at the property within

2777
01:29:12,856 --> 01:29:15,856
one hour of the request.

2778
01:29:15,926 --> 01:29:18,428
If there is a party going on at

2779
01:29:18,428 --> 01:29:20,864
midnight and soeone calls our

2780
01:29:20,864 --> 01:29:23,864
24-hour a day, 7-day number,

2781
01:29:23,934 --> 01:29:24,901
they need to be able to reach a

2782
01:29:24,901 --> 01:29:27,901
responsible party that can get

2783
01:29:27,971 --> 01:29:31,141
to the property within an hour.

2784
01:29:31,141 --> 01:29:34,177
The owner must inform renters of

2785
01:29:34,177 --> 01:29:35,746
our local rules, and post

2786
01:29:35,746 --> 01:29:37,280
important information in the

2787
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,449
rental including emergency and

2788
01:29:39,449 --> 01:29:41,118
safety information, trash and

2789
01:29:41,118 --> 01:29:43,118
recycling pick-up dates,

2790
01:29:43,186 --> 01:29:44,921
advising of the county's noise

2791
01:29:44,921 --> 01:29:47,321
ordinance, and information on

2792
01:29:47,524 --> 01:29:49,460
permissible parking spaces.

2793
01:29:49,460 --> 01:29:51,160
I intend to continue to monitor

2794
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,263
these issues and in coordination

2795
01:29:53,263 --> 01:29:54,798
with code enforcement and the

2796
01:29:54,798 --> 01:29:55,899
sheriff, and the county

2797
01:29:55,899 --> 01:29:58,299
attorney, ensure that we

2798
01:29:58,869 --> 01:30:00,371
continue to employ best

2799
01:30:00,371 --> 01:30:01,839
practices in protecting our

2800
01:30:01,839 --> 01:30:02,906
residential neighborhoods.

2801
01:30:02,906 --> 01:30:05,843
i want to address specifically

2802
01:30:05,843 --> 01:30:08,345
some of the issues that came up

2803
01:30:08,345 --> 01:30:09,713
once we set this public hearing.

2804
01:30:09,713 --> 01:30:11,549
There were three main requests

2805
01:30:11,549 --> 01:30:13,851
that were made to us in terms of

2806
01:30:13,851 --> 01:30:15,652
the strengthening the ordinance.

2807
01:30:15,652 --> 01:30:17,388
One was to make sure that we had

2808
01:30:17,388 --> 01:30:18,889
a designated phone number like I

2809
01:30:18,889 --> 01:30:21,289
mentioned earlier, which is

2810
01:30:21,524 --> 01:30:24,195
going to be part of the rfp.

2811
01:30:24,195 --> 01:30:27,310
The second is to make sure that

2812
01:30:27,310 --> 01:30:28,320
the fine structure is really

2813
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,400
enforceable and what I want to

2814
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,269
say to commissioners wostal's

2815
01:30:32,269 --> 01:30:34,669
excellent question, is not

2816
01:30:35,573 --> 01:30:37,408
omwill it go to court, but when

2817
01:30:37,408 --> 01:30:39,610
because these are mostly

2818
01:30:39,610 --> 01:30:41,444
nonhomesteaded properties, these

2819
01:30:41,444 --> 01:30:43,948
fines will turn into a lien and

2820
01:30:43,948 --> 01:30:45,883
that lien will be able to be

2821
01:30:45,883 --> 01:30:47,884
enforced on these properties to

2822
01:30:47,884 --> 01:30:48,419
make sure that it's actually

2823
01:30:48,419 --> 01:30:48,619
actually

2824
01:30:48,619 --> 01:30:50,521
paid.

2825
01:30:50,521 --> 01:30:53,758
The third issue that came up was

2826
01:30:53,758 --> 01:30:54,792
the issue of compulsory

2827
01:30:54,792 --> 01:30:55,759
inspection in advance of

2828
01:30:55,759 --> 01:30:58,462
registration as opposed to what

2829
01:30:58,462 --> 01:31:01,432
we have, which is to provide an

2830
01:31:01,432 --> 01:31:03,432
affidavit confirming compliance.

2831
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,839
And you know, what I have maybe

2832
01:31:07,839 --> 01:31:08,605
I'll ask johanna if or code

2833
01:31:08,605 --> 01:31:10,341
enforcement if they want to

2834
01:31:10,341 --> 01:31:12,741
address this particular issue

2835
01:31:13,211 --> 01:31:15,679
and is then I'll just comment on

2836
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:16,914
what I think is a way for us to

2837
01:31:16,914 --> 01:31:20,830
move forward to keep this issue

2838
01:31:20,830 --> 01:31:21,719
in front of us.

2839
01:31:21,719 --> 01:31:22,786
>> yes, commissioner cohen, you

2840
01:31:22,786 --> 01:31:24,786
described that accurately.

2841
01:31:25,289 --> 01:31:29,126
What the process will be is that

2842
01:31:29,126 --> 01:31:31,663
in order to receive the required

2843
01:31:31,663 --> 01:31:33,598
registration, the owner must

2844
01:31:33,598 --> 01:31:35,998
authorize inspections that can

2845
01:31:37,101 --> 01:31:39,737
take place anytime after we

2846
01:31:39,737 --> 01:31:41,706
receive any concern or complaint

2847
01:31:41,706 --> 01:31:43,374
that would immediately allow

2848
01:31:43,374 --> 01:31:44,409
code enforcement --

2849
01:31:44,409 --> 01:31:44,909
>> harry cohen: would trigger an

2850
01:31:44,909 --> 01:31:45,610
inspection.

2851
01:31:45,610 --> 01:31:48,100
>> would trigger the inspection,

2852
01:31:48,546 --> 01:31:50,800
and if there is, if there is any

2853
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,283
delay on the owner's part or

2854
01:31:52,283 --> 01:31:54,252
they don't show up, there is an

2855
01:31:54,252 --> 01:31:55,753
additional no show fee that will

2856
01:31:55,753 --> 01:31:56,855
incentivize them to make sure

2857
01:31:56,855 --> 01:31:58,956
that the property is made

2858
01:31:58,956 --> 01:32:00,956
available for inspection.

2859
01:32:01,250 --> 01:32:02,526
But that would create a separate

2860
01:32:02,526 --> 01:32:03,261
violation as well.

2861
01:32:03,261 --> 01:32:04,863
>> harry cohen: okay.

2862
01:32:04,863 --> 01:32:06,640
So one of the comments or more

2863
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:07,265
than one of the comments that

2864
01:32:07,265 --> 01:32:09,534
were made earlier is that this

2865
01:32:09,534 --> 01:32:11,169
is not the end of the work, and

2866
01:32:11,169 --> 01:32:12,370
what I want to say to everyone

2867
01:32:12,370 --> 01:32:13,772
is is that we're going to pass

2868
01:32:13,772 --> 01:32:15,730
this, we're going implement it,

2869
01:32:15,730 --> 01:32:16,640
and then we're going to monitor

2870
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,176
and see how it, how it does.

2871
01:32:19,176 --> 01:32:21,146
And what I'm going to suggest is

2872
01:32:21,146 --> 01:32:23,348
that 90 days after it goes into

2873
01:32:23,348 --> 01:32:26,151
effect, we have a staff report,

2874
01:32:26,151 --> 01:32:26,551
and we can assess how we're

2875
01:32:26,551 --> 01:32:28,551
doing.

2876
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,356
We can bring back up the issue

2877
01:32:31,356 --> 01:32:33,992
of whether or not we should

2878
01:32:33,992 --> 01:32:35,992
entertain doing compulsory

2879
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:36,794
inspections based on what our

2880
01:32:36,794 --> 01:32:38,129
initial experience has been, and

2881
01:32:38,129 --> 01:32:40,980
I think commissioner wostal

2882
01:32:40,980 --> 01:32:42,498
makes an excellent point.

2883
01:32:42,500 --> 01:32:45,136
Once it's up and running, it MAY

2884
01:32:45,136 --> 01:32:46,838
be possible that the $200 fee

2885
01:32:46,838 --> 01:32:48,406
can actually be reduced.

2886
01:32:48,406 --> 01:32:50,400
We'll take a look at that.

2887
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:51,442
So I want to assure everyone

2888
01:32:51,442 --> 01:32:53,244
this really is just the

2889
01:32:53,244 --> 01:32:55,714
beginning of the process, but

2890
01:32:55,714 --> 01:32:58,150
it's a very meaningful step

2891
01:32:58,150 --> 01:32:59,584
forward that is going to give

2892
01:32:59,584 --> 01:33:01,853
the neighborhoods some relief

2893
01:33:01,853 --> 01:33:04,890
and some ability to have the

2894
01:33:04,890 --> 01:33:06,792
professional help of our staff

2895
01:33:06,792 --> 01:33:09,792
available to them to enforce

2896
01:33:09,861 --> 01:33:10,961
laws and regulations to keep our

2897
01:33:10,961 --> 01:33:13,310
neighborhoods safe and peaceful.

2898
01:33:13,310 --> 01:33:14,700
And with that, I would like to

2899
01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:15,400
move approval of the ordinance.

2900
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,970
>> ken hagan: all right, we got

2901
01:33:17,970 --> 01:33:19,738
a motion by commissioner cohen,

2902
01:33:19,738 --> 01:33:21,738
second commissioner myers.

2903
01:33:27,379 --> 01:33:28,480
Please record your vote.

2904
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:30,150
>> motion carried 7-0.

2905
01:33:30,150 --> 01:33:30,782
>> ken hagan: now we have the

2906
01:33:30,782 --> 01:33:32,782
companion item.

2907
01:33:32,951 --> 01:33:34,620
>> the companion item is item b.

2908
01:33:34,620 --> 01:33:37,356
1, this is the resolution and

2909
01:33:37,356 --> 01:33:38,890
providing for the fee schedule.

2910
01:33:38,890 --> 01:33:39,191
>> ken hagan: okay, motion

2911
01:33:39,191 --> 01:33:39,858
commissioner cohen, second,

2912
01:33:39,858 --> 01:33:41,393
commissioner wostal.

2913
01:33:41,393 --> 01:33:44,393
Please record your voe on

2914
01:33:47,833 --> 01:33:49,833
vote on b. 1.

2915
01:33:50,269 --> 01:33:50,903
>> motion carried 7-0.

2916
01:33:50,903 --> 01:33:51,203
>> ken hagan: okay.

2917
01:33:51,203 --> 01:33:51,803
D. 3.

2918
01:33:51,803 --> 01:33:53,803
>> thank you.

2919
01:33:54,730 --> 01:33:56,608
Next item is item d. 3, this is

2920
01:33:56,608 --> 01:33:57,910
a public hearing relating to the

2921
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:58,344
cross-connection and back flow

2922
01:33:58,344 --> 01:34:00,344
control.

2923
01:34:01,450 --> 01:34:01,746
We have greg hoss from the

2924
01:34:01,746 --> 01:34:02,514
county attorney's office to

2925
01:34:02,514 --> 01:34:03,549
present this.

2926
01:34:03,549 --> 01:34:04,216
This is a --

2927
01:34:04,216 --> 01:34:05,717
>> good morning.

2928
01:34:05,717 --> 01:34:06,151
Greg hoss, county attorney's

2929
01:34:06,151 --> 01:34:07,353
office.

2930
01:34:07,353 --> 01:34:08,987
Commissioners, this is a public

2931
01:34:08,987 --> 01:34:10,890
hearing to consider a draft

2932
01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:11,390
ordinance to amend chapter 1

2933
01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:12,857
twub of

2934
01:34:12,857 --> 01:34:14,460
121of the hillsborough county code

2935
01:34:14,460 --> 01:34:15,794
of ordinances and laws relating

2936
01:34:15,794 --> 01:34:16,996
to cross-connection and back

2937
01:34:16,996 --> 01:34:17,930
flow control.

2938
01:34:17,930 --> 01:34:19,698
The environmental services

2939
01:34:19,698 --> 01:34:22,698
division has asked for this

2940
01:34:22,968 --> 01:34:24,303
proposed amendment, which will

2941
01:34:24,303 --> 01:34:25,871
1, eliminate the hillsborough

2942
01:34:25,871 --> 01:34:27,205
county back flow control board,

2943
01:34:27,205 --> 01:34:29,205
2, give code enforcement

2944
01:34:29,207 --> 01:34:30,342
officers the ability to enforce

2945
01:34:30,342 --> 01:34:31,376
chapter 121, and 3, provide that

2946
01:34:31,376 --> 01:34:32,478
future amendments to the

2947
01:34:32,478 --> 01:34:33,946
cross-connection control plan

2948
01:34:33,946 --> 01:34:34,480
will be approved by the board of

2949
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:35,648
county commissioners by

2950
01:34:35,648 --> 01:34:37,282
resolution.

2951
01:34:37,282 --> 01:34:38,617
the existing cross-connection

2952
01:34:38,617 --> 01:34:40,819
control board was established to

2953
01:34:40,819 --> 01:34:42,488
hear appeals to actions taken by

2954
01:34:42,488 --> 01:34:43,823
county staff under the

2955
01:34:43,823 --> 01:34:45,240
cross-connection control plan.

2956
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:45,925
There has not been an appeal

2957
01:34:45,925 --> 01:34:48,193
submitted to the board for the

2958
01:34:48,193 --> 01:34:50,129
past several years.

2959
01:34:50,129 --> 01:34:50,830
With the elimination of the

2960
01:34:50,830 --> 01:34:52,830
hillsborough county

2961
01:34:53,599 --> 01:34:55,599
cross-connection control board,

2962
01:34:55,768 --> 01:34:57,690
future appeals MAY be heard by

2963
01:34:57,690 --> 01:34:58,371
the -- hillsborough county has

2964
01:34:58,371 --> 01:34:59,372
maintained a cross-connection

2965
01:34:59,372 --> 01:35:00,473
back flow prevention program for

2966
01:35:00,473 --> 01:35:01,340
many years as required by

2967
01:35:01,340 --> 01:35:03,175
federal and state law said.

2968
01:35:03,175 --> 01:35:05,575
These changes will streamline

2969
01:35:05,578 --> 01:35:06,445
the system and will not have a

2970
01:35:06,445 --> 01:35:08,114
negative impact on the program.

2971
01:35:08,114 --> 01:35:09,549
We have county staff including

2972
01:35:09,549 --> 01:35:11,500
kevin moran director of

2973
01:35:11,500 --> 01:35:12,180
environmental services and joe

2974
01:35:12,180 --> 01:35:13,819
gross director of code

2975
01:35:13,819 --> 01:35:14,586
enforcement here to help answer

2976
01:35:14,586 --> 01:35:15,387
any questions you MAY have.

2977
01:35:15,387 --> 01:35:16,220
This is a public hearing.

2978
01:35:16,220 --> 01:35:16,188
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

2979
01:35:16,188 --> 01:35:16,723
you.

2980
01:35:16,723 --> 01:35:19,723
This is a public hearing.

2981
01:35:22,395 --> 01:35:23,930
No one has signed up to speak

2982
01:35:23,930 --> 01:35:25,197
what's the pleasure of the board

2983
01:35:25,197 --> 01:35:26,632
motion to approve, commissioner

2984
01:35:26,632 --> 01:35:27,165
myers, second, commissioner

2985
01:35:27,165 --> 01:35:29,165
cohen.

2986
01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:37,176
Please record your vote.

2987
01:35:37,176 --> 01:35:37,944
>> motion carried 7-0.

2988
01:35:37,944 --> 01:35:39,479
>> ken hagan: d. 4.

2989
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:40,846
>> d. 4.

2990
01:35:40,846 --> 01:35:42,115
This is the next public hearing.

2991
01:35:42,115 --> 01:35:44,116
This is related to the

2992
01:35:44,116 --> 01:35:45,952
stormwater management non-ad

2993
01:35:45,952 --> 01:35:47,200
valorem assessment rates and

2994
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:48,221
non-ad valorem assessment roll

2995
01:35:48,221 --> 01:35:49,555
for the next calendar year.

2996
01:35:49,555 --> 01:35:52,825
And josh bellotti will take us

2997
01:35:52,825 --> 01:35:53,593
through this presentation.

2998
01:35:53,593 --> 01:35:54,661
>> okay, good morning,

2999
01:35:54,661 --> 01:35:56,661
commissioners.

3000
01:35:57,296 --> 01:35:57,796
Josh bellotti, engineering and

3001
01:35:57,796 --> 01:35:58,864
operations.

3002
01:35:58,864 --> 01:36:00,866
This is the annual public

3003
01:36:00,866 --> 01:36:02,401
hearing to set the stormwater

3004
01:36:02,401 --> 01:36:03,703
non-ad valorem assessment rates

3005
01:36:03,703 --> 01:36:05,472
and the assessment roll for

3006
01:36:05,472 --> 01:36:07,472
calendar year 2026.

3007
01:36:07,674 --> 01:36:09,800
The stormwater management

3008
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:09,809
program is established by

3009
01:36:09,809 --> 01:36:12,209
ordinance, and the stormwater

3010
01:36:12,312 --> 01:36:13,346
fee is a non-ad valorem

3011
01:36:13,346 --> 01:36:15,315
assessment included on the

3012
01:36:15,315 --> 01:36:16,449
annual property tax bill.

3013
01:36:16,449 --> 01:36:18,283
I'll start with the quick recap

3014
01:36:18,283 --> 01:36:20,120
of some of the rate discussions

3015
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,120
from this year.

3016
01:36:22,522 --> 01:36:23,722
Raftelis the county's rate

3017
01:36:23,722 --> 01:36:25,250
consultant completed the 2026

3018
01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:25,992
rate study in FEBRUARY, updating

3019
01:36:25,992 --> 01:36:28,940
from the previous study

3020
01:36:28,940 --> 01:36:29,296
conducted in 2019.

3021
01:36:29,296 --> 01:36:31,597
They had coordinated their

3022
01:36:31,597 --> 01:36:32,398
efforts with black & veatch and

3023
01:36:32,398 --> 01:36:33,600
inincorporated recommendations

3024
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,600
from their comprehensive

3025
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:37,360
regional stormwater evaluation.

3026
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:38,872
The board received the rate

3027
01:36:38,872 --> 01:36:41,308
study in APRIL, which included

3028
01:36:41,308 --> 01:36:42,709
rate recommendations for both

3029
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:44,444
capital projects as well as

3030
01:36:44,444 --> 01:36:45,579
enhanced maintenance.

3031
01:36:45,579 --> 01:36:47,314
Staff returned in JUNE to

3032
01:36:47,314 --> 01:36:49,490
provide the board with updated

3033
01:36:49,490 --> 01:36:49,916
rate options to consider,

3034
01:36:49,916 --> 01:36:51,585
including removal of the

3035
01:36:51,585 --> 01:36:53,985
increase for capital projects

3036
01:36:55,188 --> 01:36:56,156
due to the utilization of

3037
01:36:56,156 --> 01:36:56,922
cdbg-dr grant funding for

3038
01:36:56,922 --> 01:36:57,924
stormwater projects over the

3039
01:36:57,924 --> 01:36:59,359
next several years.

3040
01:36:59,359 --> 01:37:01,294
The direction was proceed with

3041
01:37:01,294 --> 01:37:02,195
the increased tie to enhanced

3042
01:37:02,195 --> 01:37:03,329
maintenance only.

3043
01:37:03,329 --> 01:37:04,531
And so we scheduled the public

3044
01:37:04,531 --> 01:37:06,566
hearing for SEPTEMBER 2nd, and

3045
01:37:06,566 --> 01:37:07,567
mailed out notices to all of the

3046
01:37:07,567 --> 01:37:09,469
assessed properties on

3047
01:37:09,469 --> 01:37:11,438
JULY 20th.

3048
01:37:11,438 --> 01:37:12,773
As we presented in JUNE, the top

3049
01:37:12,773 --> 01:37:14,274
maintenance activities for

3050
01:37:14,274 --> 01:37:15,509
stormwater include things like

3051
01:37:15,509 --> 01:37:17,411
clearing ditches and pipes,

3052
01:37:17,411 --> 01:37:18,712
mowing and cleaning canals, and

3053
01:37:18,712 --> 01:37:20,346
repairing structures.

3054
01:37:20,346 --> 01:37:22,449
And while these activities are

3055
01:37:22,449 --> 01:37:23,584
funded in part with stormwater

3056
01:37:23,584 --> 01:37:25,152
assessment revenue, they're not

3057
01:37:25,152 --> 01:37:27,540
fully supported by the

3058
01:37:27,540 --> 01:37:28,870
assessment, and rely on

3059
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:29,456
$20 million and annual general

3060
01:37:29,456 --> 01:37:31,456
funds to supplement.

3061
01:37:31,692 --> 01:37:32,826
We did share for the board's

3062
01:37:32,826 --> 01:37:34,761
future consideration the option

3063
01:37:34,761 --> 01:37:35,896
for increasing the stormwater

3064
01:37:35,896 --> 01:37:37,597
assessment to eliminate the need

3065
01:37:37,597 --> 01:37:38,131
for general fund

3066
01:37:38,131 --> 01:37:39,165
supplementation.

3067
01:37:39,165 --> 01:37:41,702
But for today the proposal is

3068
01:37:41,702 --> 01:37:42,837
just for a 15% increase in these

3069
01:37:42,837 --> 01:37:43,270
maintenance activities.

3070
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:45,139
, which

3071
01:37:45,139 --> 01:37:46,606
amounts to an additional

3072
01:37:46,606 --> 01:37:48,242
$2.7 million that would go

3073
01:37:48,242 --> 01:37:50,210
towards expanding contracted

3074
01:37:50,210 --> 01:37:51,511
maintenance services such as

3075
01:37:51,511 --> 01:37:53,747
right-of-way mowing, canal and

3076
01:37:53,747 --> 01:37:55,916
slope mowing, ditch clearing and

3077
01:37:55,916 --> 01:37:56,383
restoration, and pipe and inlet

3078
01:37:56,383 --> 01:37:57,584
cleaning.

3079
01:37:57,584 --> 01:37:58,685
This is consistent with the

3080
01:37:58,685 --> 01:38:01,287
approach that we also presenteds

3081
01:38:01,287 --> 01:38:02,423
to you in JUNE, which was to put

3082
01:38:02,423 --> 01:38:04,291
additional funding towards

3083
01:38:04,291 --> 01:38:05,590
contracts for routinely

3084
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:06,794
scheduled maintenance as a

3085
01:38:06,794 --> 01:38:08,462
strategy to help balance the

3086
01:38:08,462 --> 01:38:09,863
increased demand and service

3087
01:38:09,863 --> 01:38:11,863
level expectations associated

3088
01:38:12,499 --> 01:38:14,499
with county-wide growth.

3089
01:38:14,835 --> 01:38:16,200
To generate that additional

3090
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:17,671
$2.7 million in annual revenue,

3091
01:38:17,671 --> 01:38:19,573
the proposed assessment increase

3092
01:38:19,573 --> 01:38:20,908
is illustrated here for the

3093
01:38:20,908 --> 01:38:22,876
small, medium, and large tiers

3094
01:38:22,876 --> 01:38:24,979
of the residential rates.

3095
01:38:24,979 --> 01:38:26,714
The medium tier represents one

3096
01:38:26,714 --> 01:38:28,716
equivalent residential unit or

3097
01:38:28,716 --> 01:38:30,117
eru, and includes the majority

3098
01:38:30,117 --> 01:38:31,652
of residential properties

3099
01:38:31,652 --> 01:38:32,420
assessed.

3100
01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:34,420
Excuse me.

3101
01:38:34,655 --> 01:38:38,255
that tier would have a $6 annual

3102
01:38:38,626 --> 01:38:40,626
increase from $86.49 to

3103
01:38:40,761 --> 01:38:42,128
$92.58 annually.

3104
01:38:42,128 --> 01:38:43,431
And for comparison, this chart

3105
01:38:43,431 --> 01:38:44,632
shows how the county's rate

3106
01:38:44,632 --> 01:38:47,100
stacks up against other cities

3107
01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:48,336
and counties, and our proposed

3108
01:38:48,336 --> 01:38:50,604
rate, for example, falls just

3109
01:38:50,604 --> 01:38:52,139
below pasco and sarasota, and

3110
01:38:52,139 --> 01:38:54,539
remains substantially lower than

3111
01:38:54,975 --> 01:38:56,276
pinellas and the city of tampa.

3112
01:38:56,276 --> 01:38:57,812
So in summary, today's public

3113
01:38:57,812 --> 01:38:59,413
hearing is to set the stormwater

3114
01:38:59,413 --> 01:39:02,490
assessment rates and tax roll

3115
01:39:02,490 --> 01:39:03,350
for calendar year 2026.

3116
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:06,350
Written noticed were sent via

3117
01:39:06,554 --> 01:39:07,355
first class mail to all

3118
01:39:07,355 --> 01:39:09,230
331,000-plus properties that

3119
01:39:09,230 --> 01:39:11,423
receive this assessment, and

3120
01:39:11,425 --> 01:39:12,360
notice of the public hearing was

3121
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:13,594
advertised in the tampa bay

3122
01:39:13,594 --> 01:39:14,495
times on JULY 5th.

3123
01:39:14,495 --> 01:39:15,930
The notices state that property

3124
01:39:15,930 --> 01:39:17,364
owners have the right to file

3125
01:39:17,364 --> 01:39:19,330
written objections.

3126
01:39:19,330 --> 01:39:19,834
To date public works has

3127
01:39:19,834 --> 01:39:21,350
received 12 written objections

3128
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:22,436
to the 2026 stormwater

3129
01:39:22,436 --> 01:39:24,400
assessment.

3130
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:25,839
That concludes my presentation.

3131
01:39:25,839 --> 01:39:26,808
I'll be happy to answer

3132
01:39:26,808 --> 01:39:27,909
questions that you might have.

3133
01:39:27,909 --> 01:39:28,843
This is a public hearing.

3134
01:39:28,843 --> 01:39:29,643
>> ken hagan: all right, thanks,

3135
01:39:29,643 --> 01:39:30,945
josh.

3136
01:39:30,945 --> 01:39:33,147
This is a public hearing.

3137
01:39:33,147 --> 01:39:35,283
Five individuals have sined up.

3138
01:39:35,283 --> 01:39:35,716
We have charlotte butler who's

3139
01:39:35,716 --> 01:39:37,510
virtual.

3140
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:38,820
Followed by tracy thompson

3141
01:39:38,820 --> 01:39:40,820
virtual.

3142
01:39:41,689 --> 01:39:43,689
And robert mindinol.

3143
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:48,659
Is MS. Butler on the line?

3144
01:39:50,231 --> 01:39:51,365
>> can you hear us? Charlotte,

3145
01:39:51,365 --> 01:39:53,201
can you go ahead and unmute

3146
01:39:53,201 --> 01:39:55,201
yourself, please?

3147
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:55,670
>> hello, I am here, and I am

3148
01:39:55,670 --> 01:39:56,671
sorry.

3149
01:39:56,671 --> 01:39:58,139
I pushed the wong button.

3150
01:39:58,139 --> 01:39:58,940
>> ken hagan: good morning.

3151
01:39:58,940 --> 01:40:00,940
>> yes, charlotte butler.

3152
01:40:01,543 --> 01:40:03,644
I live in plant city area

3153
01:40:03,644 --> 01:40:04,790
unincorporated part of the

3154
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:05,513
county.

3155
01:40:05,513 --> 01:40:08,649
As per the person I have

3156
01:40:08,649 --> 01:40:09,751
I spoke with

3157
01:40:09,751 --> 01:40:11,285
in the stormwater management

3158
01:40:11,285 --> 01:40:12,454
department, the total gross area

3159
01:40:12,454 --> 01:40:13,788
as shown on property appraiser

3160
01:40:13,788 --> 01:40:16,291
information is used to determine

3161
01:40:16,291 --> 01:40:17,759
the impervious surface.

3162
01:40:17,759 --> 01:40:19,940
However, based on a review of

3163
01:40:19,940 --> 01:40:21,494
several properties in my

3164
01:40:22,230 --> 01:40:25,230
immediate area, the total gross

3165
01:40:25,867 --> 01:40:27,502
area does not include paved

3166
01:40:27,502 --> 01:40:29,571
areas such as concrete or

3167
01:40:29,571 --> 01:40:31,971
asphalt driveways, stand alone

3168
01:40:32,306 --> 01:40:33,675
sheds, and pools which are all

3169
01:40:33,675 --> 01:40:34,976
impervious surfaces.

3170
01:40:34,976 --> 01:40:37,845
Although pools and stand alone

3171
01:40:37,845 --> 01:40:39,915
sheds are listed in the extra

3172
01:40:39,915 --> 01:40:41,716
section of the property

3173
01:40:41,716 --> 01:40:43,985
appraiser information, there are

3174
01:40:43,985 --> 01:40:46,385
no associated measurements and

3175
01:40:47,389 --> 01:40:48,689
paved areas that are, that are

3176
01:40:48,689 --> 01:40:50,358
not listed at all.

3177
01:40:50,358 --> 01:40:52,526
None of these extras are counted

3178
01:40:52,526 --> 01:40:54,620
towards the total gross area for

3179
01:40:54,620 --> 01:40:55,396
purposes of determining

3180
01:40:55,396 --> 01:40:57,396
impervious surface.

3181
01:40:57,799 --> 01:41:00,635
Yet they most definitely create

3182
01:41:00,635 --> 01:41:02,635
water runoff.

3183
01:41:04,139 --> 01:41:06,441
Why is paved stated in the

3184
01:41:06,441 --> 01:41:09,441
notice section that I received,

3185
01:41:11,346 --> 01:41:11,913
but it is not included as a

3186
01:41:11,913 --> 01:41:13,913
measurement?

3187
01:41:16,952 --> 01:41:19,540
And the terminology of building

3188
01:41:19,540 --> 01:41:20,488
footprint and total gross area

3189
01:41:20,488 --> 01:41:23,324
could be construed a couple of

3190
01:41:23,324 --> 01:41:25,324
different ways.

3191
01:41:25,827 --> 01:41:27,429
Using the 2025 tax collector

3192
01:41:27,429 --> 01:41:29,131
data, some of the reviewed

3193
01:41:29,131 --> 01:41:32,301
properties that are in the same

3194
01:41:32,301 --> 01:41:35,301
building footprint range as me

3195
01:41:35,504 --> 01:41:39,704
and close to my total gross area

3196
01:41:40,750 --> 01:41:41,744
were assessed at $132.33.

3197
01:41:41,744 --> 01:41:43,812
However, a couple of properties

3198
01:41:43,812 --> 01:41:47,116
with total gross areas that are

3199
01:41:47,116 --> 01:41:49,351
40 to 60% larger than my total

3200
01:41:49,351 --> 01:41:52,951
gross area, were assessed at a

3201
01:41:53,856 --> 01:41:54,289
lower fee of $86.49.

3202
01:41:54,289 --> 01:41:55,524
Why?

3203
01:41:55,524 --> 01:41:57,693
Clearly there is some

3204
01:41:57,693 --> 01:41:59,693
discrepancy regarding the

3205
01:41:59,995 --> 01:42:01,329
calculation used for stormwater

3206
01:42:01,329 --> 01:42:03,598
management assessment fee that

3207
01:42:03,598 --> 01:42:05,998
should be addressed before

3208
01:42:07,236 --> 01:42:09,638
applying the increased fee to

3209
01:42:09,638 --> 01:42:11,638
the 2026 property tax.

3210
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,876
A more equitable stormwater fee

3211
01:42:13,876 --> 01:42:16,876
would compare the total gross

3212
01:42:17,112 --> 01:42:19,514
area of impervious surface to

3213
01:42:19,514 --> 01:42:21,914
the total land units.

3214
01:42:22,484 --> 01:42:24,220
Using that same tax collector

3215
01:42:24,220 --> 01:42:26,220
data, I create

3216
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:28,624
created a spreadsheet

3217
01:42:28,624 --> 01:42:30,590
with a simple formula based on

3218
01:42:30,590 --> 01:42:33,659
total gross area to total land

3219
01:42:34,296 --> 01:42:35,631
units where one acre equals

3220
01:42:35,631 --> 01:42:37,631
43,560 square feet.

3221
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,436
Using this methodology, the

3222
01:42:40,436 --> 01:42:43,405
assessment fee would equate to

3223
01:42:43,405 --> 01:42:43,873
2% of impervious surface for my

3224
01:42:43,873 --> 01:42:45,873
property.

3225
01:42:46,876 --> 01:42:49,412
And should qualify me for a fee

3226
01:42:49,412 --> 01:42:49,879
exemption or a sizable fee

3227
01:42:49,879 --> 01:42:51,879
reduction.

3228
01:42:53,150 --> 01:42:54,416
At the very least, my 2026

3229
01:42:54,416 --> 01:42:56,151
assessment should be changed

3230
01:42:56,151 --> 01:42:57,520
from one of the highest fees to

3231
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:58,154
the lowest --

3232
01:42:58,154 --> 01:42:59,870
>> christine miller: thank you

3233
01:42:59,870 --> 01:43:00,289
for your comments, ma'am.

3234
01:43:00,289 --> 01:43:02,689
Thank you very much.

3235
01:43:03,325 --> 01:43:06,325
Next up is tracy thompson

3236
01:43:12,502 --> 01:43:14,360
followed by robert mendinhaul.

3237
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:15,137
Did draysy check in.

3238
01:43:15,137 --> 01:43:16,739
>> good morning, I'm tracy

3239
01:43:16,739 --> 01:43:17,974
thompson a 27-year resident of

3240
01:43:17,974 --> 01:43:20,374
hillsborough county and a

3241
01:43:22,178 --> 01:43:24,178
tax-paying citizen.

3242
01:43:24,380 --> 01:43:26,315
I did the same calculations as

3243
01:43:26,315 --> 01:43:28,718
the lady who spoke right before

3244
01:43:28,718 --> 01:43:31,687
me, and -- calculation consider

3245
01:43:31,687 --> 01:43:32,188
the total acreage of these

3246
01:43:32,188 --> 01:43:34,188
properties.

3247
01:43:35,191 --> 01:43:36,993
Being that my property is almost

3248
01:43:36,993 --> 01:43:39,829
14 acres, and most of my roof

3249
01:43:39,829 --> 01:43:41,264
size is actually

3250
01:43:41,264 --> 01:43:43,333
actually barns, run in

3251
01:43:43,333 --> 01:43:44,566
sheds and equipment sheds --

3252
01:43:44,566 --> 01:43:45,735
agriculture, however I have no

3253
01:43:45,735 --> 01:43:47,503
agriculture exemption because

3254
01:43:47,503 --> 01:43:49,372
I'm a poor farmer and sal not

3255
01:43:49,372 --> 01:43:51,474
to make much -- seem not to make

3256
01:43:51,474 --> 01:43:52,642
much money as farming -- I do

3257
01:43:52,642 --> 01:43:54,644
not have an agricultural

3258
01:43:54,644 --> 01:43:55,745
exemption which would normally

3259
01:43:55,745 --> 01:43:57,380
exempt me entirely.

3260
01:43:57,380 --> 01:43:58,615
However being that I'm on

3261
01:43:58,615 --> 01:44:01,918
14 acres and even if you take

3262
01:44:01,918 --> 01:44:04,918
the total roof space, the

3263
01:44:06,389 --> 01:44:08,424
numbers of square feet

3264
01:44:08,424 --> 01:44:10,760
impervious by square footage

3265
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:12,195
actually only 589 square feet.

3266
01:44:12,195 --> 01:44:15,165
As opposed to what the

3267
01:44:15,165 --> 01:44:16,365
assessment is taking, as if the

3268
01:44:16,365 --> 01:44:18,101
whole roof line was sitting on

3269
01:44:18,101 --> 01:44:20,101
one acre.

3270
01:44:21,737 --> 01:44:24,507
So only 1.35% of the property is

3271
01:44:24,507 --> 01:44:26,108
impervious, even the driveway is

3272
01:44:26,108 --> 01:44:26,876
crushed asphalt which is

3273
01:44:26,876 --> 01:44:28,876
pervious.

3274
01:44:29,512 --> 01:44:30,480
So the whole calculation rests

3275
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:32,115
on roof alone.

3276
01:44:32,115 --> 01:44:33,884
So I agree completely with the

3277
01:44:33,884 --> 01:44:36,884
woman speaking prior to me.

3278
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,550
We need some additional research

3279
01:44:39,550 --> 01:44:39,288
on how these numbers are arrived

3280
01:44:39,288 --> 01:44:41,288
at.

3281
01:44:41,891 --> 01:44:42,725
I also want to point out that in

3282
01:44:42,725 --> 01:44:45,725
east hillsborough county seems I

3283
01:44:45,729 --> 01:44:48,365
am also -- since I am also in

3284
01:44:48,365 --> 01:44:49,198
plant city we have these

3285
01:44:49,198 --> 01:44:50,333
enormous warehouses that have

3286
01:44:50,333 --> 01:44:51,735
been installed on county line

3287
01:44:51,735 --> 01:44:52,502
road and drifting south towards

3288
01:44:52,502 --> 01:44:54,502
state road 60.

3289
01:44:56,139 --> 01:44:58,207
We have these huge subdivisions

3290
01:44:58,207 --> 01:45:00,310
that have been installed bigger

3291
01:45:00,310 --> 01:45:02,790
apartment complexes, and all of

3292
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:04,479
those have been raised.

3293
01:45:05,649 --> 01:45:08,180
Every one of them are raised up

3294
01:45:08,180 --> 01:45:08,418
between six inches and 4 1/2

3295
01:45:08,418 --> 01:45:10,253
feet.

3296
01:45:10,253 --> 01:45:11,388
All the runoff from those are

3297
01:45:11,388 --> 01:45:13,290
drifting down into the farms

3298
01:45:13,290 --> 01:45:15,290
that surround them.

3299
01:45:15,826 --> 01:45:19,426
So we're providing quite a bit

3300
01:45:20,296 --> 01:45:20,864
of permeable land to absorb the

3301
01:45:20,864 --> 01:45:22,733
ruboff

3302
01:45:22,733 --> 01:45:23,266
rub -- runoff from these

3303
01:45:23,266 --> 01:45:24,267
subdivisions.

3304
01:45:24,267 --> 01:45:25,235
I'm not quite sure how we got

3305
01:45:25,235 --> 01:45:25,669
lumped together with them in our

3306
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:27,669
rate assessment.

3307
01:45:28,405 --> 01:45:28,772
Thank you so much for hearing

3308
01:45:28,772 --> 01:45:30,772
me.

3309
01:45:31,141 --> 01:45:31,708
>> ken hagan: thank you for your

3310
01:45:31,708 --> 01:45:33,708
comments.

3311
01:45:35,112 --> 01:45:35,779
Robert meninhall.

3312
01:45:35,779 --> 01:45:37,747
Robert here?

3313
01:45:37,747 --> 01:45:40,584
Followed by denise herndon and

3314
01:45:40,584 --> 01:45:43,584
then last speaker tiffany rentz.

3315
01:45:45,656 --> 01:45:46,456
Good morning.

3316
01:45:46,456 --> 01:45:47,791
>> I want to thank the members

3317
01:45:47,791 --> 01:45:49,226
of the board here for allowing

3318
01:45:49,226 --> 01:45:52,226
me to speak this morning.

3319
01:45:52,763 --> 01:45:53,764
This is the first time I've ever

3320
01:45:53,764 --> 01:45:54,731
spoken to this group although

3321
01:45:54,731 --> 01:45:57,131
I've attended several meetings.

3322
01:45:57,334 --> 01:46:00,637
I am a land owner in odessa.

3323
01:46:00,637 --> 01:46:01,605
Been here for, been in

3324
01:46:01,605 --> 01:46:04,500
hillsborough county for over 40

3325
01:46:06,977 --> 01:46:07,378
years, lived in odessa for 32

3326
01:46:07,378 --> 01:46:08,979
years.

3327
01:46:08,979 --> 01:46:11,182
I'm here to speak to you and I

3328
01:46:11,182 --> 01:46:13,149
agree with the people who have

3329
01:46:13,149 --> 01:46:14,385
spoken before me.

3330
01:46:14,385 --> 01:46:17,385
These issues are similar issues

3331
01:46:21,491 --> 01:46:25,910
but I have a couple more.

3332
01:46:25,663 --> 01:46:26,464
I received this notice of this

3333
01:46:26,464 --> 01:46:30,967
meeting at the end of the JULY I

3334
01:46:30,967 --> 01:46:31,968
believe it was, the end of JULY,

3335
01:46:31,968 --> 01:46:32,836
and and it was for this public

3336
01:46:32,836 --> 01:46:34,905
hearing, to esablish a

3337
01:46:34,905 --> 01:46:36,905
stormwater management assessment

3338
01:46:40,810 --> 01:46:41,278
rates and roll for calendar year

3339
01:46:41,278 --> 01:46:43,278
2026.

3340
01:46:44,982 --> 01:46:45,549
My issue is a kitchen table

3341
01:46:45,549 --> 01:46:45,916
issue.

3342
01:46:45,916 --> 01:46:46,850
Okay?

3343
01:46:46,850 --> 01:46:50,450
Costs are going up, and every

3344
01:46:50,788 --> 01:46:51,255
time we turn around, I get fee

3345
01:46:51,255 --> 01:46:53,224
increases.

3346
01:46:53,224 --> 01:46:54,859
I'm a retired individual, okay?

3347
01:46:54,859 --> 01:46:56,226
So I have to think about how I'm

3348
01:46:56,226 --> 01:47:00,426
am I going to pay for these

3349
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:06,000
things that are basically taxes.

3350
01:47:06,136 --> 01:47:07,138
O this resolution doesn't take

3351
01:47:07,138 --> 01:47:09,138
into consideration current

3352
01:47:09,874 --> 01:47:11,700
stormwater mitigation by

3353
01:47:11,700 --> 01:47:12,643
individual land owners, and I'll

3354
01:47:12,643 --> 01:47:15,346
get to that in a minute.

3355
01:47:15,346 --> 01:47:18,116
The ERUs are strictly based on

3356
01:47:18,116 --> 01:47:19,830
assigned eru or the actual

3357
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:20,840
impervious scare

3358
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:21,852
pervious square footage.

3359
01:47:21,852 --> 01:47:25,452
There is no indication of how

3360
01:47:26,256 --> 01:47:29,256
the eru assessment for my

3361
01:47:29,326 --> 01:47:31,429
property is assigned at all,

3362
01:47:31,429 --> 01:47:33,231
none, and yet the notice told me

3363
01:47:33,231 --> 01:47:36,134
what my proposed eru was going

3364
01:47:36,134 --> 01:47:38,200
to be, 1.53 I think.

3365
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:39,103
My property is located in a

3366
01:47:39,103 --> 01:47:41,103
flood zone z.

3367
01:47:41,639 --> 01:47:43,741
This is unincorporated area.

3368
01:47:43,741 --> 01:47:46,711
I'll show you that in a minute,

3369
01:47:46,711 --> 01:47:48,713
and does -- and did not flood

3370
01:47:48,713 --> 01:47:50,348
during helene and milton.

3371
01:47:50,348 --> 01:47:51,783
All standing groundwater on my

3372
01:47:51,783 --> 01:47:54,183
property during that time

3373
01:47:55,586 --> 01:47:56,200
subsided in two days from

3374
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:57,422
milton.

3375
01:47:57,422 --> 01:48:00,422
This is a plan form.

3376
01:48:01,291 --> 01:48:02,526
This is what I, our particular

3377
01:48:02,526 --> 01:48:02,794
property or building on our

3378
01:48:02,794 --> 01:48:04,794
property.

3379
01:48:06,300 --> 01:48:06,597
It's the only building right

3380
01:48:06,597 --> 01:48:08,597
now.

3381
01:48:10,902 --> 01:48:12,871
This is an aerial view.

3382
01:48:12,871 --> 01:48:14,906
There is a one-acre pond that's

3383
01:48:14,906 --> 01:48:18,443
eight feet deep when it's full,

3384
01:48:18,443 --> 01:48:22,430
and then there is about three

3385
01:48:22,380 --> 01:48:24,780
acres of wetlands, okay?

3386
01:48:25,383 --> 01:48:27,352
All the, all of the runoff is

3387
01:48:27,352 --> 01:48:28,586
either in from this area, from

3388
01:48:28,586 --> 01:48:30,487
the keystone parm

3389
01:48:30,487 --> 01:48:32,290
keystone park colony.

3390
01:48:32,290 --> 01:48:33,325
All that runoff comes through my

3391
01:48:33,325 --> 01:48:35,160
property, comes through large

3392
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:36,940
ditches that are in the south

3393
01:48:36,940 --> 01:48:39,940
participant of the property on

3394
01:48:39,164 --> 01:48:40,899
jones road, and in the eastern

3395
01:48:40,899 --> 01:48:41,266
side of the property on angel

3396
01:48:41,266 --> 01:48:43,266
lane.

3397
01:48:43,535 --> 01:48:46,705
And this all flows through a

3398
01:48:46,705 --> 01:48:48,600
culvert over into another

3399
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:49,241
wetlands area and ultimately

3400
01:48:49,241 --> 01:48:49,875
ends up --

3401
01:48:49,875 --> 01:48:50,509
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir.

3402
01:48:50,509 --> 01:48:52,760
>> can you state your name for

3403
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:54,760
the record, please.

3404
01:48:54,546 --> 01:48:55,179
>> yes, robert mendenhall.

3405
01:48:55,179 --> 01:48:57,816
>> ken hagan: thank you, sir,

3406
01:48:57,816 --> 01:48:58,784
appreciate your comments.

3407
01:48:58,784 --> 01:49:01,784
Denise hunterren and then last

3408
01:49:10,462 --> 01:49:11,797
speaker tiffany rentz.

3409
01:49:11,797 --> 01:49:13,130
>> good morning, denise herndon

3410
01:49:13,130 --> 01:49:15,130
again.

3411
01:49:16,100 --> 01:49:17,768
This is concerning the maps that

3412
01:49:17,768 --> 01:49:19,104
I had just shown you, the

3413
01:49:19,104 --> 01:49:21,504
aerials from the hillsborough

3414
01:49:23,375 --> 01:49:25,375
county site.

3415
01:49:27,279 --> 01:49:28,914
When eric brown had come out to

3416
01:49:28,914 --> 01:49:31,314
investigate the fence that

3417
01:49:31,683 --> 01:49:32,985
somebody has put in concrete for

3418
01:49:32,985 --> 01:49:36,585
the water that flows from the

3419
01:49:37,220 --> 01:49:38,991
three lakes, gornto lake, my

3420
01:49:38,991 --> 01:49:40,426
lake, chapman -- goes into

3421
01:49:40,426 --> 01:49:43,896
chapman lakes and then goes into

3422
01:49:43,896 --> 01:49:46,896
ten mile then goes underneath

3423
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:50,200
the highway 60.

3424
01:49:53,138 --> 01:49:55,274
I know where this star here

3425
01:49:55,274 --> 01:49:56,442
that's where the drainage from

3426
01:49:56,442 --> 01:49:57,900
gornto lake, no one's cleaning

3427
01:49:57,900 --> 01:49:58,210
it out.

3428
01:49:58,210 --> 01:49:59,945
Eric brown didn't even know.

3429
01:49:59,945 --> 01:50:01,613
We don't have an easement there

3430
01:50:01,613 --> 01:50:03,613
or anything.

3431
01:50:05,417 --> 01:50:06,719
I have no idea where chapman

3432
01:50:06,719 --> 01:50:09,719
drains into ten mile lake.

3433
01:50:09,788 --> 01:50:13,910
I do know where ten mile lake

3434
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:15,910
drains out.

3435
01:50:16,362 --> 01:50:17,996
And I don't believe eric is a

3436
01:50:17,996 --> 01:50:19,996
very good assessment.

3437
01:50:21,901 --> 01:50:24,901
We aren't having water issues

3438
01:50:25,304 --> 01:50:28,573
that would need to have the

3439
01:50:28,573 --> 01:50:31,573
three drains or three lakes

3440
01:50:37,550 --> 01:50:40,550
draining into the area under 60.

3441
01:50:40,786 --> 01:50:43,550
That fence was never there.

3442
01:50:43,550 --> 01:50:44,156
Some people say it was.

3443
01:50:44,156 --> 01:50:46,156
It's in concrete.

3444
01:50:46,458 --> 01:50:48,858
Well, cut it out.

3445
01:50:48,894 --> 01:50:51,196
Like I said, it doesn't matter

3446
01:50:51,196 --> 01:50:53,733
to me but it matters to other

3447
01:50:53,733 --> 01:50:54,133
homeowners because I'm up on

3448
01:50:54,133 --> 01:50:56,133
stilts.

3449
01:50:56,235 --> 01:50:57,336
Even milton didn't come anywhere

3450
01:50:57,336 --> 01:50:59,336
near my home.

3451
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:01,807
it killed a avocado tree because

3452
01:51:01,807 --> 01:51:05,344
avocados and it wasn't a big

3453
01:51:05,344 --> 01:51:08,344
one, it wasn't producing fruit

3454
01:51:08,848 --> 01:51:10,950
yet, but someone was pumping

3455
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:13,185
water into the area because it

3456
01:51:13,185 --> 01:51:16,785
came up, the water, the gornto

3457
01:51:18,690 --> 01:51:20,526
lake came up three days later,

3458
01:51:20,526 --> 01:51:24,726
so and I could see water flowing

3459
01:51:25,698 --> 01:51:26,866
into my property.

3460
01:51:26,866 --> 01:51:28,701
So, and it had to be on the

3461
01:51:28,701 --> 01:51:31,403
south side of the road, because

3462
01:51:31,403 --> 01:51:34,600
it was coming from the road,

3463
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,600
road tracks

3464
01:51:38,845 --> 01:51:39,279
roded tracks would've been

3465
01:51:39,279 --> 01:51:41,279
affected.

3466
01:51:41,681 --> 01:51:43,160
I still heard trains going by.

3467
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:44,416
Water is going to go to the

3468
01:51:44,416 --> 01:51:45,919
lowest point, but the county

3469
01:51:45,919 --> 01:51:47,954
needs to have experienced people

3470
01:51:47,954 --> 01:51:49,355
to come out and that fence

3471
01:51:49,355 --> 01:51:51,755
should nt be there.

3472
01:51:52,891 --> 01:51:54,226
It's a homemade fence that's

3473
01:51:54,226 --> 01:51:56,626
been put in concrete.

3474
01:51:59,650 --> 01:52:00,433
I have looked for 27 years

3475
01:52:00,433 --> 01:52:01,768
wanting to tart a

3476
01:52:01,768 --> 01:52:03,369
start a business in

3477
01:52:03,369 --> 01:52:04,905
there, and I have alays gone

3478
01:52:04,905 --> 01:52:05,705
around it long before just love

3479
01:52:05,705 --> 01:52:06,673
coffee was there.

3480
01:52:06,673 --> 01:52:08,107
Someone needs to do something

3481
01:52:08,107 --> 01:52:09,750
about this fence, and if the

3482
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:10,510
other homeowners that are

3483
01:52:10,510 --> 01:52:11,945
getting flooded don't do

3484
01:52:11,945 --> 01:52:13,380
anything, oh, well,.

3485
01:52:13,380 --> 01:52:13,880
>> ken hagan: thank you,

3486
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:14,447
MS. Herndon.

3487
01:52:14,447 --> 01:52:16,447
Tiffany rentz.

3488
01:52:19,850 --> 01:52:20,620
Is she on the line?

3489
01:52:20,620 --> 01:52:21,254
>> tiffany did not sign in.

3490
01:52:21,254 --> 01:52:21,521
>> ken hagan: all right, thank

3491
01:52:21,521 --> 01:52:22,822
you.

3492
01:52:22,822 --> 01:52:24,824
That closes public comment.

3493
01:52:24,824 --> 01:52:25,891
We'll go into board discussion.

3494
01:52:25,891 --> 01:52:26,560
Commissioner wostal.

3495
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,610
>> joshua wostal: yes.

3496
01:52:28,610 --> 01:52:31,498
Just bonnie if staff could help

3497
01:52:31,498 --> 01:52:32,632
the speaker 65 and over be made

3498
01:52:32,632 --> 01:52:33,366
ware of the senior discounts

3499
01:52:33,366 --> 01:52:36,366
that exist and help them

3500
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:38,604
navigate that I would appreciate

3501
01:52:38,604 --> 01:52:39,272
it.

3502
01:52:39,272 --> 01:52:39,839
>> ken hagan: okay.

3503
01:52:39,839 --> 01:52:41,174
Don't see anyone else in the

3504
01:52:41,174 --> 01:52:44,211
queue, so what's the pleasure of

3505
01:52:44,211 --> 01:52:46,211
the board?

3506
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:48,470
Got a motion to approve d. 4 by

3507
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:48,849
commissioner myers, second

3508
01:52:48,849 --> 01:52:50,849
commissioner boles.

3509
01:52:57,457 --> 01:52:58,758
Please record your vote.

3510
01:52:58,758 --> 01:52:59,660
>> motion carries 5-2 with

3511
01:52:59,660 --> 01:53:01,395
commissioners cameron cepeda and

3512
01:53:01,395 --> 01:53:02,620
wostal voting no.

3513
01:53:02,620 --> 01:53:02,596
>> ken hagan: okay.

3514
01:53:02,596 --> 01:53:03,797
Bonnie, next item.

3515
01:53:03,797 --> 01:53:04,664
>> we ask now move to

3516
01:53:04,664 --> 01:53:05,666
commissioner -- we can now move

3517
01:53:05,666 --> 01:53:07,200
to commissioner items.

3518
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:09,736
The first item is commissioner

3519
01:53:09,736 --> 01:53:11,505
boles' item, item f. 1, and then

3520
01:53:11,505 --> 01:53:12,720
commissioner boles, item f. 2,

3521
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:14,720
first 1

3522
01:53:15,576 --> 01:53:17,210
one regarding growth

3523
01:53:17,210 --> 01:53:17,644
related infrastructure fee

3524
01:53:17,644 --> 01:53:18,312
policy.

3525
01:53:18,312 --> 01:53:18,679
>> ken hagan: commissioner

3526
01:53:18,679 --> 01:53:19,246
boles.

3527
01:53:19,246 --> 01:53:21,482
>> chris boles: thank you,

3528
01:53:21,482 --> 01:53:22,683
MR. Chair.

3529
01:53:22,683 --> 01:53:25,451
For several months my office has

3530
01:53:25,451 --> 01:53:26,886
been kind of reviewing whatd

3531
01:53:26,886 --> 01:53:28,422
what I'm

3532
01:53:28,422 --> 01:53:29,223
kind of piecing together a

3533
01:53:29,223 --> 01:53:30,991
mosaic of different things we

3534
01:53:30,991 --> 01:53:32,860
need to look at as we continue

3535
01:53:32,860 --> 01:53:33,626
to drean droaght -- address

3536
01:53:33,626 --> 01:53:33,861
growth here in hillsborough

3537
01:53:33,861 --> 01:53:35,861
county.

3538
01:53:38,999 --> 01:53:40,200
I think it's no surprise that we

3539
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:41,734
continue to have these issues

3540
01:53:41,734 --> 01:53:44,705
that come before us and we try

3541
01:53:44,705 --> 01:53:46,600
to address them even today as

3542
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:47,774
we're addressing fees.

3543
01:53:47,774 --> 01:53:49,676
We got to look at how we're

3544
01:53:49,676 --> 01:53:53,276
paying for the growth that we're

3545
01:53:59,886 --> 01:54:00,387
absorbing and the growth that

3546
01:54:00,387 --> 01:54:00,955
we, this board, not this

3547
01:54:00,955 --> 01:54:01,555
particular but the board of

3548
01:54:01,555 --> 01:54:03,955
county commissioners has some

3549
01:54:05,259 --> 01:54:06,126
regard in some ways neglected to

3550
01:54:06,126 --> 01:54:08,126
perhaps bring forward.

3551
01:54:09,295 --> 01:54:10,197
so part of that and ideas and

3552
01:54:10,197 --> 01:54:12,660
some of the thought processes

3553
01:54:12,660 --> 01:54:12,833
behind this was to put a very

3554
01:54:12,833 --> 01:54:14,100
comprehensive backup document

3555
01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:16,100
with that.

3556
01:54:16,536 --> 01:54:17,905
So if you looked it was 57

3557
01:54:17,905 --> 01:54:19,406
pages, and that was just for the

3558
01:54:19,406 --> 01:54:21,275
two fees that I really address

3559
01:54:21,275 --> 01:54:22,343
which was the fire and the

3560
01:54:22,343 --> 01:54:24,343
mobility fees.

3561
01:54:25,212 --> 01:54:28,212
`and showing that over the

3562
01:54:29,383 --> 01:54:31,252
history of their, their

3563
01:54:31,252 --> 01:54:33,652
formation and certainly their

3564
01:54:34,188 --> 01:54:36,289
changes over the years, were 31

3565
01:54:36,289 --> 01:54:37,825
years for fire didn't get

3566
01:54:37,825 --> 01:54:38,592
changed, 26 years there was no

3567
01:54:38,592 --> 01:54:40,992
meaningful change in mobility

3568
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:43,965
fees until we adopted those fees

3569
01:54:43,965 --> 01:54:45,266
in 2016 and you know throughout

3570
01:54:45,266 --> 01:54:47,435
this work essentially identified

3571
01:54:47,435 --> 01:54:48,402
gaps in our governance and the

3572
01:54:48,402 --> 01:54:49,536
way we should maybe be looking

3573
01:54:49,536 --> 01:54:51,339
at that.

3574
01:54:51,339 --> 01:54:55,539
So what I'm looking for at the

3575
01:54:55,676 --> 01:54:56,977
very least is to kind of grab a

3576
01:54:56,977 --> 01:54:58,112
holistic approach to addressing

3577
01:54:58,112 --> 01:54:59,412
these gaps by establishing

3578
01:54:59,412 --> 01:55:01,349
future safeguards for future

3579
01:55:01,349 --> 01:55:01,883
boards that are coming before

3580
01:55:01,883 --> 01:55:03,883
us.

3581
01:55:04,952 --> 01:55:07,352
And essentially regular periodic

3582
01:55:07,822 --> 01:55:09,489
process that challenges us to

3583
01:55:09,489 --> 01:55:11,691
review, adjust our policies as

3584
01:55:11,691 --> 01:55:13,930
circumstances and needs changes change

3585
01:55:13,930 --> 01:55:16,693
so that we're not putting the

3586
01:55:17,310 --> 01:55:18,699
burden on the backs of existing

3587
01:55:18,699 --> 01:55:21,990
homeowners and residents and

3588
01:55:21,101 --> 01:55:22,736
that we're having growth kind of

3589
01:55:22,736 --> 01:55:24,839
pay for some part of its share

3590
01:55:24,839 --> 01:55:26,839
going forward.

3591
01:55:26,841 --> 01:55:27,942
I believe that this will give

3592
01:55:27,942 --> 01:55:29,244
thus county the better tools,

3593
01:55:29,244 --> 01:55:30,245
better information, and

3594
01:55:30,245 --> 01:55:32,212
certainly more consistent

3595
01:55:32,212 --> 01:55:34,382
framework to plan for not just

3596
01:55:34,382 --> 01:55:35,616
for ourselves, for staffer, and

3597
01:55:35,616 --> 01:55:39,216
the developers out there so that

3598
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:40,989
they can kind of understand

3599
01:55:40,989 --> 01:55:43,858
where we are coming from as we

3600
01:55:43,858 --> 01:55:47,128
come with these fees so we don't

3601
01:55:47,128 --> 01:55:50,728
go 31 years and raise fire fees

3602
01:55:53,401 --> 01:55:54,836
from $38.66 back in 1988 to $300 in 2019.

3603
01:55:54,836 --> 01:55:56,570
Same thing for where we have

3604
01:55:56,570 --> 01:55:57,806
adopted the transportation

3605
01:55:57,806 --> 01:55:59,140
impact fee through a mobility

3606
01:55:59,140 --> 01:56:01,109
fee zone.

3607
01:56:01,109 --> 01:56:03,144
So I think we made considerable

3608
01:56:03,144 --> 01:56:06,144
efforts here recently, and I

3609
01:56:06,281 --> 01:56:07,815
would certainly like to hear

3610
01:56:07,815 --> 01:56:10,250
your comments on this issue.

3611
01:56:10,250 --> 01:56:10,919
Thank you, MR. Chair.

3612
01:56:10,919 --> 01:56:11,353
>> ken hagan: okay.

3613
01:56:11,353 --> 01:56:12,420
Commissioner wostal.

3614
01:56:12,420 --> 01:56:14,820
>> joshua wostal: thank you.

3615
01:56:14,923 --> 01:56:15,223
Bonnie, we talked about this a

3616
01:56:15,223 --> 01:56:16,524
little bit.

3617
01:56:16,524 --> 01:56:18,492
I know the prior administrators

3618
01:56:18,492 --> 01:56:21,290
for the past couple of decades

3619
01:56:21,290 --> 01:56:22,529
let these fall behind, but but

3620
01:56:22,529 --> 01:56:23,965
you've had like your own policy

3621
01:56:23,965 --> 01:56:26,734
essentially doing this, and this

3622
01:56:26,734 --> 01:56:27,101
is just kind of formalizing it,

3623
01:56:27,101 --> 01:56:28,603
right?

3624
01:56:28,603 --> 01:56:30,906
>> I think that this is helpful

3625
01:56:30,906 --> 01:56:31,772
to make sure that we're

3626
01:56:31,772 --> 01:56:33,341
routinely doing it.

3627
01:56:33,341 --> 01:56:36,210
I know that the auditor did

3628
01:56:36,210 --> 01:56:39,210
identify that the mobility fees

3629
01:56:39,213 --> 01:56:41,383
had not been increased this last

3630
01:56:41,383 --> 01:56:42,617
time, so but I think it is very

3631
01:56:42,617 --> 01:56:43,952
important that we do monitor

3632
01:56:43,952 --> 01:56:46,154
these much more closely, and we

3633
01:56:46,154 --> 01:56:46,621
have been doing that much more

3634
01:56:46,621 --> 01:56:47,289
closely.

3635
01:56:47,289 --> 01:56:50,225
>> joshua wostal: yeah, I'm fine

3636
01:56:50,225 --> 01:56:51,959
with the the formalized process

3637
01:56:51,959 --> 01:56:53,959
for it.

3638
01:56:53,962 --> 01:56:54,363
>> ken hagan: okay, commissioner

3639
01:56:54,363 --> 01:56:55,300
boles.

3640
01:56:55,300 --> 01:56:55,864
>> chris boles: just quickly to

3641
01:56:55,864 --> 01:56:57,650
follow up.

3642
01:56:57,650 --> 01:56:59,467
You know, one of the things that

3643
01:56:59,467 --> 01:57:01,870
I'd like to certainly complement

3644
01:57:01,870 --> 01:57:03,338
our administrator on it now who

3645
01:57:03,338 --> 01:57:04,473
that done an excellent job of

3646
01:57:04,473 --> 01:57:07,743
making sure that we are keeping

3647
01:57:07,743 --> 01:57:11,780
up with these, and I think we've

3648
01:57:11,780 --> 01:57:12,581
found here certainly with senate

3649
01:57:12,581 --> 01:57:14,749
bill 180 live local act we

3650
01:57:14,749 --> 01:57:16,951
continue to see how the

3651
01:57:16,951 --> 01:57:18,620
legislature continues to

3652
01:57:18,620 --> 01:57:20,556
subrogate us to their authority

3653
01:57:20,556 --> 01:57:22,124
here on a local level, and to me

3654
01:57:22,124 --> 01:57:23,425
that's part of the problem that

3655
01:57:23,425 --> 01:57:25,661
if we're not making these

3656
01:57:25,661 --> 01:57:27,863
changes in at least addressing

3657
01:57:27,863 --> 01:57:30,599
them every on a staggered basis

3658
01:57:30,599 --> 01:57:32,133
or on a regular periodic review,

3659
01:57:32,133 --> 01:57:33,669
we can find ourselves falling

3660
01:57:33,669 --> 01:57:35,236
further and further behind while

3661
01:57:35,236 --> 01:57:37,306
legislature continues to put

3662
01:57:37,306 --> 01:57:39,508
further hand confidence on us.

3663
01:57:39,508 --> 01:57:40,609
-- handcuffs on us and so that's

3664
01:57:40,609 --> 01:57:41,276
one of the things I also want to

3665
01:57:41,276 --> 01:57:43,110
address with this and I think

3666
01:57:43,110 --> 01:57:44,460
it's important for us to do that

3667
01:57:44,460 --> 01:57:45,460
and so we can maybe get ahead of

3668
01:57:45,460 --> 01:57:46,414
it.

3669
01:57:46,414 --> 01:57:48,316
Right now because we're even

3670
01:57:48,316 --> 01:57:50,119
past JULY 1st this year,

3671
01:57:50,119 --> 01:57:51,186
it's further put us behind with

3672
01:57:51,186 --> 01:57:53,540
the new act that went through

3673
01:57:53,540 --> 01:57:54,823
last year.

3674
01:57:54,823 --> 01:57:58,423
>> ken hagan: all right, so is

3675
01:57:59,662 --> 01:58:00,162
that a motion?

3676
01:58:00,162 --> 01:58:01,630
>> chris boles: I see

3677
01:58:01,630 --> 01:58:02,531
commissioner miller was in

3678
01:58:02,531 --> 01:58:03,265
the --

3679
01:58:03,265 --> 01:58:03,499
>> ken hagan: commissioner

3680
01:58:03,499 --> 01:58:04,132
miller.

3681
01:58:04,132 --> 01:58:04,800
>> christine miller: I'm happy

3682
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:05,901
to wait but I was wondering if

3683
01:58:05,901 --> 01:58:06,569
he was --

3684
01:58:06,569 --> 01:58:07,870
>> chris boles: I would like to

3685
01:58:07,870 --> 01:58:08,871
make a motion that we accept

3686
01:58:08,871 --> 01:58:11,206
this to have staff come bck

3687
01:58:11,206 --> 01:58:11,807
with a policy for us to review.

3688
01:58:11,807 --> 01:58:12,441
>> christine miller: second.

3689
01:58:12,441 --> 01:58:13,800
>> ken hagan: I got a motion,

3690
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:13,709
commissioner boles, second,

3691
01:58:13,709 --> 01:58:15,440
commissioner miller.

3692
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:15,911
Commissioner miller?

3693
01:58:15,911 --> 01:58:16,378
>> christine miller: thank you,

3694
01:58:16,378 --> 01:58:18,378
MR. Chair.

3695
01:58:20,415 --> 01:58:21,750
This is great news for district

3696
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:22,184
4 I appreciate you bricking this

3697
01:58:22,184 --> 01:58:23,919
forward.

3698
01:58:23,919 --> 01:58:25,354
With all the growth we're

3699
01:58:25,354 --> 01:58:27,956
experiencing, having a plan for

3700
01:58:27,956 --> 01:58:30,356
regularly evaluating if the

3701
01:58:32,928 --> 01:58:34,363
infrastructure is keeping up,

3702
01:58:34,363 --> 01:58:35,264
and ving a regular review

3703
01:58:35,264 --> 01:58:36,799
process, this is great for our

3704
01:58:36,799 --> 01:58:37,466
community, and I'm happy to

3705
01:58:37,466 --> 01:58:38,133
support it today.

3706
01:58:38,133 --> 01:58:38,533
>> ken hagan: commissioner

3707
01:58:38,533 --> 01:58:39,568
wostal.

3708
01:58:39,568 --> 01:58:40,469
>> joshua wostal: one suggestion

3709
01:58:40,469 --> 01:58:43,105
that I had that you might want

3710
01:58:43,105 --> 01:58:44,600
to talk to the county attorneys

3711
01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:45,808
about is whether or not you

3712
01:58:45,808 --> 01:58:47,810
could just codify this, these

3713
01:58:47,810 --> 01:58:50,810
impact fee increases within the

3714
01:58:51,380 --> 01:58:52,949
land development code to

3715
01:58:52,949 --> 01:58:55,349
circumnavigate future bills like

3716
01:58:56,786 --> 01:58:58,653
sb 180 that say you can't worsen

3717
01:58:58,653 --> 01:59:00,123
or strengthen the land

3718
01:59:00,123 --> 01:59:01,957
development code because then

3719
01:59:01,957 --> 01:59:03,250
it's already codified in the

3720
01:59:03,250 --> 01:59:04,126
land development code, so

3721
01:59:04,126 --> 01:59:06,162
raising impact fees would

3722
01:59:06,162 --> 01:59:07,463
potentially be a workaround just

3723
01:59:07,463 --> 01:59:11,663
a thought I had with bonnie when

3724
01:59:11,701 --> 01:59:13,701
we were talking.

3725
01:59:13,803 --> 01:59:14,300
>> we're happy to take a look at

3726
01:59:14,300 --> 01:59:14,603
that.

3727
01:59:14,603 --> 01:59:15,905
>> ken hagan: anytime we can

3728
01:59:15,905 --> 01:59:17,140
make a preemptative strike

3729
01:59:17,140 --> 01:59:19,108
against the legislature, I'm

3730
01:59:19,108 --> 01:59:20,276
certainly on board for that.

3731
01:59:20,276 --> 01:59:21,760
Okay, so we got a motion,

3732
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:21,677
commissioner boles, second,

3733
01:59:21,677 --> 01:59:23,677
commissioner miller.

3734
01:59:28,351 --> 01:59:29,351
Please record your vote.

3735
01:59:29,351 --> 01:59:30,886
>> motion carries 7-0.

3736
01:59:30,886 --> 01:59:31,653
>> ken hagan: all right, f. 2.

3737
01:59:31,653 --> 01:59:32,488
Commissioner boles.

3738
01:59:32,488 --> 01:59:33,723
>> chris boles: yeah, I'll make

3739
01:59:33,723 --> 01:59:35,191
this quick.

3740
01:59:35,191 --> 01:59:36,893
So earlier this year again I

3741
01:59:36,893 --> 01:59:39,729
have my staff look at some of

3742
01:59:39,729 --> 01:59:41,464
the flag items that were

3743
01:59:41,464 --> 01:59:42,665
previously made by the district

3744
01:59:42,665 --> 01:59:44,633
6 commissioner who was in here

3745
01:59:44,633 --> 01:59:47,700
previous to me, and there was

3746
01:59:47,700 --> 01:59:48,710
some item that were unused

3747
01:59:48,710 --> 01:59:50,673
meaning that there was some

3748
01:59:50,673 --> 01:59:53,730
funds that were essentially

3749
01:59:56,460 --> 01:59:57,514
sitting stagnant, my word, and I

3750
01:59:57,514 --> 01:59:58,515
determined through

3751
01:59:58,515 --> 02:00:00,515
communications and conversations

3752
02:00:02,552 --> 02:00:03,353
with staff that perhaps the

3753
02:00:03,353 --> 02:00:04,421
$850,000 that's sitting there

3754
02:00:04,421 --> 02:00:06,289
could be better used for

3755
02:00:06,289 --> 02:00:07,924
projects today versus sitting

3756
02:00:07,924 --> 02:00:10,593
for projects that MAY never come

3757
02:00:10,593 --> 02:00:12,280
to fruition or have already been

3758
02:00:12,280 --> 02:00:13,663
paid for through other means

3759
02:00:13,663 --> 02:00:15,663
through other departments.

3760
02:00:17,801 --> 02:00:19,803
So essentially this is to

3761
02:00:19,803 --> 02:00:21,437
provide that money for the, I

3762
02:00:21,437 --> 02:00:24,541
won't get into the details of

3763
02:00:24,541 --> 02:00:25,208
it, but essentially transfer

3764
02:00:25,208 --> 02:00:27,208
most

3765
02:00:28,511 --> 02:00:31,347
those monies from the -- to the

3766
02:00:31,347 --> 02:00:32,482
unincorporated for the

3767
02:00:32,482 --> 02:00:34,882
bridge replacement and sidewalk

3768
02:00:35,217 --> 02:00:36,520
repairs in the amounts listed.

3769
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:36,852
>> ken hagan: we got a motion

3770
02:00:36,852 --> 02:00:37,487
commissioner boles, second

3771
02:00:37,487 --> 02:00:39,487
commissioner wostal.

3772
02:00:42,225 --> 02:00:45,395
I would say that's a great find,

3773
02:00:45,395 --> 02:00:45,862
and excellent reallocation.

3774
02:00:45,862 --> 02:00:46,763
O.

3775
02:00:46,763 --> 02:00:47,431
>> chris boles: and I do want to

3776
02:00:47,431 --> 02:00:49,831
say that one thing.

3777
02:00:51,568 --> 02:00:52,436
That money was allocated 3w50eu9 by the

3778
02:00:52,436 --> 02:00:52,803
previous commissioner to that

3779
02:00:52,803 --> 02:00:54,104
area.

3780
02:00:54,104 --> 02:00:55,639
We're keeping it in that area.

3781
02:00:55,639 --> 02:00:56,272
It's not moving anywhere else.

3782
02:00:56,272 --> 02:00:56,483
>> ken hagan: yep.

3783
02:00:56,483 --> 02:00:56,840
Okay.

3784
02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:58,442
Nice work.

3785
02:00:58,442 --> 02:00:59,276
All right, motion, commissioner

3786
02:00:59,276 --> 02:00:59,743
boles, second, commissioner

3787
02:00:59,743 --> 02:01:01,743
wostal.

3788
02:01:05,282 --> 02:01:06,750
Please record your vote f. 2.

3789
02:01:06,750 --> 02:01:07,818
>> motion carried 7-0.

3790
02:01:07,818 --> 02:01:09,586
>> ken hagan: all right, f. 3.

3791
02:01:09,586 --> 02:01:11,154
>> f. 3 is commissioner myers'

3792
02:01:11,154 --> 02:01:12,756
item regarding carryover funding

3793
02:01:12,756 --> 02:01:13,524
for the urban league.

3794
02:01:13,524 --> 02:01:13,924
>> ken hagan: commissioner

3795
02:01:13,924 --> 02:01:14,491
myers.

3796
02:01:14,491 --> 02:01:14,758
>> gwen myers: thank you,

3797
02:01:14,758 --> 02:01:16,660
MR. Chair.

3798
02:01:16,660 --> 02:01:17,761
I move to approve f. 3 as

3799
02:01:17,761 --> 02:01:20,761
presented, and would like to

3800
02:01:21,598 --> 02:01:24,598
mention the untimely death of

3801
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:25,936
stanley gray who was the

3802
02:01:25,936 --> 02:01:28,336
hillsborough urban league ceo

3803
02:01:28,772 --> 02:01:29,640
and PRESIDENT, and this fall the

3804
02:01:29,640 --> 02:01:31,875
hillsborough urban league and

3805
02:01:31,875 --> 02:01:34,875
the pinellas urban league plans

3806
02:01:34,912 --> 02:01:36,313
to merge for the good of both

3807
02:01:36,313 --> 02:01:37,214
programs, and county.

3808
02:01:37,214 --> 02:01:38,749
>> ken hagan: okay, we got a

3809
02:01:38,749 --> 02:01:40,317
motion, commissioner myers,

3810
02:01:40,317 --> 02:01:42,317
second, commissioner cohen.

3811
02:01:45,655 --> 02:01:47,524
Please record your vote on f. 3.

3812
02:01:47,524 --> 02:01:49,524
>> motion carried 7-0.

3813
02:01:52,129 --> 02:01:55,129
>> ken hagan: all right, g. 2.

3814
02:02:11,820 --> 02:02:13,284
>> this item is being presented

3815
02:02:13,284 --> 02:02:14,151
will following a request on JUNE

3816
02:02:14,151 --> 02:02:16,151
3rd.

3817
02:02:17,210 --> 02:02:20,210
The estimated cost for full

3818
02:02:20,458 --> 02:02:24,580
asphalt paving of dirt roads are

3819
02:02:25,620 --> 02:02:26,296
substantial and cost

3820
02:02:26,296 --> 02:02:27,999
prohibitive, due to water

3821
02:02:27,999 --> 02:02:29,999
resource permitting.

3822
02:02:30,234 --> 02:02:33,300
The report on lower cost

3823
02:02:33,300 --> 02:02:34,639
alternatives to paving,

3824
02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:36,140
identifying a representative

3825
02:02:36,140 --> 02:02:38,508
pilot project for consideration.

3826
02:02:38,508 --> 02:02:40,812
Staff completed an eval u eight

3827
02:02:40,812 --> 02:02:42,446
of a variety of stabilization

3828
02:02:42,446 --> 02:02:44,846
options including those listed

3829
02:02:46,951 --> 02:02:50,551
and depicted here, such as woven

3830
02:02:50,654 --> 02:02:52,654
geo textile fabrics,

3831
02:02:53,291 --> 02:02:53,524
interlocking geo grids, and geo

3832
02:02:53,524 --> 02:02:55,524
cells.

3833
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:58,229
Any of which could be utilized

3834
02:02:58,229 --> 02:02:58,863
with a permable aggregate

3835
02:02:58,863 --> 02:03:00,863
surface layer.

3836
02:03:01,566 --> 02:03:04,602
With that, we came up with a

3837
02:03:04,602 --> 02:03:05,335
recommendation for a standard

3838
02:03:05,335 --> 02:03:07,335
treatment.

3839
02:03:07,372 --> 02:03:09,772
Covered with a stabilized

3840
02:03:11,900 --> 02:03:12,143
aggregate at varying depths.

3841
02:03:12,143 --> 02:03:14,412
This treatment would be

3842
02:03:14,412 --> 02:03:16,514
estimated to reduce the on going

3843
02:03:16,514 --> 02:03:18,783
maintenance needs for an

3844
02:03:18,783 --> 02:03:19,500
approximately 5 to 10 year

3845
02:03:19,500 --> 02:03:21,500
period.

3846
02:03:22,190 --> 02:03:25,190
For planning purposes, the costs

3847
02:03:25,656 --> 02:03:27,656
estimated 400 to $750,000

3848
02:03:28,526 --> 02:03:30,461
averaging $600,000 per mile.

3849
02:03:30,461 --> 02:03:32,196
If this were applied to the

3850
02:03:32,196 --> 02:03:34,766
specific set of 27 roads the

3851
02:03:34,766 --> 02:03:35,660
board has adopted for dirt road

3852
02:03:35,660 --> 02:03:37,660
maintenance.

3853
02:03:37,836 --> 02:03:38,403
The estimated cost is about $4.5

3854
02:03:38,403 --> 02:03:40,403
million.

3855
02:03:41,206 --> 02:03:43,606
Compared to the $63 million

3856
02:03:44,374 --> 02:03:44,609
estimate for full asphalt

3857
02:03:44,609 --> 02:03:46,609
paving.

3858
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:53,385
To evaluate this option for

3859
02:03:53,385 --> 02:03:55,954
viability, we have identified a

3860
02:03:55,954 --> 02:03:56,221
pilot project on valley tree

3861
02:03:56,221 --> 02:03:57,789
drive.

3862
02:03:57,789 --> 02:03:59,991
It's a good representative

3863
02:03:59,991 --> 02:04:02,260
sample roadway to conduct the

3864
02:04:02,260 --> 02:04:04,229
pilot project on, and it's also

3865
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:07,229
a smaller roadway segment which

3866
02:04:07,365 --> 02:04:07,565
keeps the pilot cost down as

3867
02:04:07,565 --> 02:04:09,565
well.

3868
02:04:09,834 --> 02:04:11,469
If we proceed with this plan, we

3869
02:04:11,469 --> 02:04:13,337
estimate about a 9 month

3870
02:04:13,337 --> 02:04:16,107
duration for us to procure and

3871
02:04:16,107 --> 02:04:17,309
construct and contract, and

3872
02:04:17,309 --> 02:04:18,944
construct, excuse me, and we

3873
02:04:18,944 --> 02:04:20,846
would evaluate the results of

3874
02:04:20,846 --> 02:04:23,281
the pilot, and consider whether

3875
02:04:23,281 --> 02:04:25,383
to pursue the remaining 26 dirt

3876
02:04:25,383 --> 02:04:26,952
roads in future budget cycles.

3877
02:04:26,952 --> 02:04:31,152
That's all I have, and I'll be

3878
02:04:32,591 --> 02:04:35,591
happy to answer any questions.

3879
02:04:38,830 --> 02:04:41,230
>> ken hagan: thanks, josh,

3880
02:04:47,372 --> 02:04:49,372
commissioner boles?

3881
02:04:49,608 --> 02:04:52,608
>> chris boles: when we were

3882
02:04:54,112 --> 02:04:57,112
talking about miles of dirt

3883
02:04:59,685 --> 02:05:03,285
roads, we have sections of dirt

3884
02:05:03,422 --> 02:05:03,689
roads, not full miles of dirt

3885
02:05:03,689 --> 02:05:04,956
roads.

3886
02:05:04,956 --> 02:05:05,456
They go into neighborhoods,

3887
02:05:05,456 --> 02:05:06,224
correct?

3888
02:05:06,224 --> 02:05:07,920
>> correct.

3889
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:08,894
>> chris boles: in some cases

3890
02:05:08,894 --> 02:05:10,395
with, he go into these

3891
02:05:10,395 --> 02:05:12,795
neighborhoods, we, the county,

3892
02:05:13,799 --> 02:05:16,133
once they're -- because we're --

3893
02:05:16,133 --> 02:05:17,569
I'm calling them legacy roads,

3894
02:05:17,569 --> 02:05:20,710
we're gong in there and we have

3895
02:05:20,710 --> 02:05:22,674
to maintain them to a degree or

3896
02:05:22,674 --> 02:05:25,740
we're absolutely suggested to

3897
02:05:25,576 --> 02:05:25,844
maintaining them to what

3898
02:05:25,844 --> 02:05:27,844
standard?

3899
02:05:28,246 --> 02:05:29,547
>> this specific set of 27

3900
02:05:29,547 --> 02:05:31,216
roads, not all dirt roads

3901
02:05:31,216 --> 02:05:31,315
throughout the county.

3902
02:05:31,315 --> 02:05:31,716
-

3903
02:05:31,716 --> 02:05:33,719
>> it's the ones we're

3904
02:05:33,719 --> 02:05:35,719
responsible for.

3905
02:05:36,221 --> 02:05:38,221
>> right.

3906
02:05:40,492 --> 02:05:42,795
This set of 27 roads have been

3907
02:05:42,795 --> 02:05:46,231
adopted by the board that we

3908
02:05:46,231 --> 02:05:49,168
call class e basis, it requires

3909
02:05:49,168 --> 02:05:50,903
grading as necessary.

3910
02:05:50,903 --> 02:05:53,303
And emergency vehicle passing.

3911
02:05:53,772 --> 02:05:55,574
>> we go out once or twice,

3912
02:05:55,574 --> 02:05:58,574
maybe three times a year,

3913
02:05:59,111 --> 02:06:00,813
depending on rainy weather,

3914
02:06:00,813 --> 02:06:03,682
what's been driving on it.

3915
02:06:03,682 --> 02:06:05,251
We have continual maintenance

3916
02:06:05,251 --> 02:06:08,851
going on it all the time.

3917
02:06:10,556 --> 02:06:13,920
The $100,000 for this road, if

3918
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,227
we put an extra step down, we

3919
02:06:15,227 --> 02:06:15,928
won the have to do maintenance

3920
02:06:15,928 --> 02:06:17,263
as often?

3921
02:06:17,263 --> 02:06:18,597
>> that's correct.

3922
02:06:18,597 --> 02:06:19,297
>> chris boles: is that a

3923
02:06:19,297 --> 02:06:21,000
correct depiction?

3924
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,000
>> yes, it is.

3925
02:06:23,535 --> 02:06:24,236
It is the expectation to reduce

3926
02:06:24,236 --> 02:06:26,538
the level of on going

3927
02:06:26,538 --> 02:06:28,538
maintenance.

3928
02:06:29,207 --> 02:06:32,770
>> chris boles: thank you, sir.

3929
02:06:32,770 --> 02:06:34,770
>> ken hagan: commissioner

3930
02:06:34,947 --> 02:06:35,581
cameron cepeda?

3931
02:06:35,581 --> 02:06:35,781
>> donna cameron cepeda: thank

3932
02:06:35,781 --> 02:06:37,781
you.

3933
02:06:37,783 --> 02:06:39,151
As we can see, this is going to

3934
02:06:39,151 --> 02:06:40,819
be a significant savings in

3935
02:06:40,819 --> 02:06:41,530
millions of dollars in this

3936
02:06:41,530 --> 02:06:43,530
process.

3937
02:06:43,823 --> 02:06:47,126
And it is a long process, longer

3938
02:06:47,126 --> 02:06:48,694
than I would like to see,

3939
02:06:48,694 --> 02:06:51,694
obviously, but nine months from

3940
02:06:51,731 --> 02:06:52,632
the planning all the way to

3941
02:06:52,632 --> 02:06:54,632
construction phase.

3942
02:06:56,469 --> 02:06:57,903
But I've been out there on the

3943
02:06:57,903 --> 02:07:01,503
streets and on that street, in

3944
02:07:01,741 --> 02:07:03,710
particular, with all the

3945
02:07:03,710 --> 02:07:05,343
neighbors who are complaining

3946
02:07:05,343 --> 02:07:07,480
and rightly so, because they had

3947
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:08,815
been waiting for years and year

3948
02:07:08,815 --> 02:07:11,284
after year they were told next

3949
02:07:11,284 --> 02:07:14,884
year, next year, you're on the

3950
02:07:14,921 --> 02:07:16,923
list, and so I'm very glad to

3951
02:07:16,923 --> 02:07:19,923
see they're moving forward, we

3952
02:07:20,225 --> 02:07:20,560
would like to move forward on

3953
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:22,560
this.

3954
02:07:24,764 --> 02:07:26,899
It's quite a savings, so I'm

3955
02:07:26,899 --> 02:07:28,340
very happy about this outcome

3956
02:07:28,340 --> 02:07:28,367
you brought forward in this

3957
02:07:28,367 --> 02:07:30,367
presentation.

3958
02:07:31,304 --> 02:07:33,720
So I would like to make a motion

3959
02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:33,339
to move forward with the pilot

3960
02:07:33,339 --> 02:07:35,339
project.

3961
02:07:42,148 --> 02:07:42,381
>> can we get a motion and a

3962
02:07:42,381 --> 02:07:44,381
second.

3963
02:07:46,985 --> 02:07:48,985
Record your votes.

3964
02:07:51,624 --> 02:07:53,624
>> passes 7-0.

3965
02:07:57,130 --> 02:07:57,897
>> ken hagan: future issues.

3966
02:07:57,897 --> 02:08:00,297
>> christine miller: I would

3967
02:08:00,934 --> 02:08:03,360
like to request that we review

3968
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:03,336
the nonlaw enforcement towing

3969
02:08:03,336 --> 02:08:04,570
rates.

3970
02:08:04,570 --> 02:08:06,500
The ordinance states that the

3971
02:08:06,500 --> 02:08:08,475
fees are to be reviewed every

3972
02:08:08,475 --> 02:08:10,777
three years, and it's close to 3

3973
02:08:10,777 --> 02:08:11,770
and a half years since it's been

3974
02:08:11,770 --> 02:08:12,846
updated.

3975
02:08:12,846 --> 02:08:15,246
Code enforcement has already

3976
02:08:15,981 --> 02:08:17,350
held meetings with the industry

3977
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:20,350
stakeholders, and the next step

3978
02:08:28,327 --> 02:08:28,826
is for the board to provide

3979
02:08:28,826 --> 02:08:30,826
review.

3980
02:08:32,264 --> 02:08:35,335
I would ask for a $25 flat fuel

3981
02:08:35,335 --> 02:08:37,700
surcharge for nonconsensual law

3982
02:08:37,700 --> 02:08:38,472
enforcement tows.

3983
02:08:38,472 --> 02:08:40,872
Diesel fuel prices have

3984
02:08:42,709 --> 02:08:45,109
increased drastically, and are

3985
02:08:46,279 --> 02:08:48,279
currently between $5.25 and

3986
02:08:49,116 --> 02:08:52,116
$5.40 in the tampa bay market.

3987
02:08:53,987 --> 02:08:56,256
I'm asking for this until the

3988
02:08:56,256 --> 02:08:56,924
fuel goes under $4 an hour or

3989
02:08:56,924 --> 02:09:00,524
there's no impact to the county

3990
02:09:00,827 --> 02:09:01,661
budget.

3991
02:09:01,661 --> 02:09:02,492
>> ken hagan: did you get all

3992
02:09:02,492 --> 02:09:03,830
that?

3993
02:09:03,830 --> 02:09:04,321
That was a mouthful.

3994
02:09:04,321 --> 02:09:06,321
Anyone else?