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one here for public comment?

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I'm Rashad Colcom for the record. Just a couple of things.

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The last meeting that I was here, I had put in a few requests, one for the audit to go online,

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one for the financials and stuff. And I didn't know, it's not on the agenda, so I didn't know

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that was something that you guys were going to discuss or if it was just

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something that I shared that I'd like to see and we're just couldn't move on

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from that. The other thing I didn't think to mention last week had to do with

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the owl and the fact that the meetings for quite some time now have been

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interrupted either the owl's not working for the sound or it doesn't record in

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play during meetings such as the last meeting it wasn't running for the first I don't

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So I'm just wondering, I know we've had somebody who has experienced Larry Baker from the zoning board has offered to help in everything.

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So I'm just wondering if we're going to have maybe a policy or a manual or something on how we can get this owl working consistently for the public to see remotely.

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So that's pretty much what I wanted to follow up on.

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I

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have something to say, and I'm a resident on Jones Road whose property value, at the

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most recent value, doesn't look good, according to another Jones Road resident who happens

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to be a state rep, not to mention any names, of course, without actually accusing me

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of being unethical, she did.

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A state rep insinuating in an open-hubble meeting, a Minnesota employee of doing something not

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Not quite ethical is not a good look for said state rep.

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Her words, not mine.

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For the racket, the et cetera value on my property has gone up a substantial amount

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since I purchased it in 2015.

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Incidentuating I did something unethical and compromised my integrity in an open public meeting

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and spreading untrue at the very least is hopefully unfair and at most slanderous.

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This is not the first time that said resident has questioned my work ethic in integrity in

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in an open public meeting without my presence.

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Is that ethical?

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In my past life, it was required of my position

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and to attend ethic classes, not because I was an ethical,

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but because it teaches one to recognize

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when someone or something is not ethical.

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You cannot teach ethics when either has it or one doesn't.

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I have it.

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I have a code of ethics I live by.

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I am not the only employee of this town

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who has had to endure the wrath of this resident.

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The reason behind such bifsy is

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bitterness and malicious behavior is unclear to me. What is the main goal of this resident?

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Please do share. So the goal can get achieved quickly and the end, the nonsense and the

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grandstanding and the wasted time chasing down, sorry I have to write it. Something that is not

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there, like corruption, fraud, and out of control spending. Never really quite set out loud but

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definitely implied. The phrase, it's not what I meant, it came out wrong, it's old and frankly

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words with no meaning. One should either choose their inferences and innuendos more carefully

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or choose not to say anything at all until complete truth and background is available

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unless you're seeking plausible denial of ability. This is my statement, my perspective,

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and I will not engage in out-of-control conversation. I am not here to spend my position as I have not

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been deceitful or just reputable. I do expect, however, as in serenpology, both written and verbal

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in an open public meeting. I would also expect that trying to disparage an employee without

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due cause and a public meeting never happened again.

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It's still public comments.

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No, I am going to say. So did you say yes, I can. So I did last

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meeting, come in and talk about the assessed values. I did not ever accuse an employee of

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anyone doing. In fact, what I did say there is that I did not accuse her of anything. I

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I don't believe that she did anything the various.

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I said it's not a good look for the town

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when the employee of the town is the only one

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who had a substantial tax decrease at that meeting.

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So I did not say, I was not slanderous,

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I did not accuse her of wrongdoing or anything else.

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So I have the ability through public comment

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to be able to respond.

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And I want that on the record that's not what I did.

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I have the ability to respond to excuse me. I'm not going to do that. I'm not. We're all set. I would like to

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to talk with you privately about it.

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I would not.

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Okay.

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Anybody else?

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All right.

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Public comments are closed.

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E.A.

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We've already held the check in the ward.

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I'm not sure.

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Then I'll air you up.

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They're out.

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I'm pressing the press.

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15 seconds.

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You ready?

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Yep.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Oh, and since Katie is here, he is meeting

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like a school live Tuesday for water.

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Because for the switching of the YouTube and the annual.

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Okay.

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So

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last meeting, we talked about me going to look for Vance, so I did find a van at

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a merchant's auto and we brought it in. Mike took a look at it. He said it looks pretty

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fantastic. I think you guys would agree. So this one is the actual van that we're looking

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at. These are two other options. Basically, it's a 2016. It was used to transport people from

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a Marriott hotel to the Chicago airport. So it's got 2,500 miles, that's 2,500 miles. So for

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31,000 everything else that that mileage or anything like that is closer to 60. So I was

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coming here looking for the Ford's approval to purchase said van.

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How

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much does it have on it?

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2500.

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This one?

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Yep.

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I didn't believe it either.

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2500.

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I didn't believe it either.

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I thought he said 250,000.

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No, no, no, no.

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2016 is only 200.

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The only thing it has is outdated electronically,

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but it is in pretty perceived condition.

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Just to remind everyone,

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the funds would be coming out of the revolving fund,

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which is where we've taken them.

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Is there a proof to tell me I believe capital assets have to be approved by the town.

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Excuse me public comments are done.

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So much for transparency.

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I'll make a motion to purchase the van for the recreation department for the 31.

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31 809.

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31 809.

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Martian soil.

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So, it's right that the funding in the White says in the motion,

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put the funding in motion.

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And the funding will come out about the Parks and Recreas are revolving.

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You know how they count and the, and the YS special projects.

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And the YS special projects account.

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vote second.

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Seconded.

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I know it in my past life whenever we bought a vehicle, it was always done like Mr.

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Buses said that to me that we always saw the approval at the town meeting.

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How was this different?

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Because we're not asking the taxpayers for time because we're taking the money out of that.

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One of the others in taxpayer dollars, we're using dollars that they raise.

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Right.

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The same with the fair truck.

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The same with the fair truck.

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Why your truck is funded.

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You have to take out that.

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Employees?

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That's what I'm saying dollars.

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That was just the first payment of the net coming out of the test.

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It's a capital asset that has to be approved at town meeting.

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We have a motion on a second.

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One vote.

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All in favor.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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The pledge in

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thousands.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Regarding the housing campaign award.

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Introduce your previous group.

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So all I should do is micro.

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Thank you.

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The name is Andrew Dorsen.

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Sorry.

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My name is Andrew Dorsen.

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I'm with the BDA, the answer is, as you can compare,

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to the red bar and the director of the office of housing,

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the construction and all.

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Underneath our office is a couple of our few housing programs,

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the best new hamster, which was $100 million

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dollar effort to help create some solutions to the housing crisis that was put into effect

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back in 2022 and we were able to team up with municipalities and do a number of different

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programs. One was the municipal per unit program which we think did about $12.9 million in

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grants to municipalities that permitted affordable housing projects quickly. We also did a

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that helps communities clear-blight connect community create green spaces or

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other aspects that would help support affordable housing. We're just housing in

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general in their town so if you create parking lots, partner with developers to

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do environmental mitigation of mills and that we're going to be turned into a

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affordable housing and make use programs. We also did a capital program that

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worked directly with developers to help provide gap financing for affordable

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housing projects throughout New Hampshire. Now what was interesting, our largest projects

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was, I think it was 500 units, smalls was four, so we've really did the whole gamut helping

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season developers write down to first-time developers, a emergency room doctor, for example,

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him and his wife were talking and he was saying how his babysitter and the guy that cuts

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his hair and the kid's teacher all were saying they couldn't find housing up in Little

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to New Hampshire and so they took their credit card and took down a loan and they passed

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out everything and started building 12 units in their community and tried to solve the

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problem themselves until they ran out of money and so we came in and just gave a little

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bit for them to be able to finish and you know 12 people and you know 12 families that

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are of the homes there on that small project but overall that program was able to create

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about, or assist in the creation of about 4,700 units over the past three years and one

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other component of the program was the housing opportunity program which helped communities

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to think about development and housing and start to have a community dialogue to think

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about what kind of housing and development that was right for that community because our program

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we didn't want one size fits all you know a hammer to come down and tell you what to think

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can do. So during that process a lot of communities are just stepping up looking at their ordinances,

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making different changes in their infrastructure and how they could get ready for the type of

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housing development that they would like to see. And so out of that program came the housing

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champions program. And so Leanne, Monica, and she's our housing champion. We like to pretend she's

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got some kind of a wrestling award on her shoulder, but she's been out working with communities.

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I think you guys are a great example of a community that's been working with us and

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we can't take it from here.

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Thank you.

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So I just want to say, stop by saying congratulations to Hillsboro for being one of 10 housing

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champion communities in our second round.

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We have a total of 28 communities in the state that are housing champions.

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18 was in the first round and 10 in the second round, again, which Hillsboro was one.

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I'm going to just very briefly tell you what housing champion is.

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It was a partnership between the state and municipalities to reach out to communities

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of the willing that recognized the need for housing throughout the state and in the community

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and take a look at their ordinances and be open and housing-friendly by having ordinances

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that didn't exclude affordable housing, but looked at their housing, there was nothing like

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Like Andrew said, it wasn't my directing.

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You have to have these ordinances.

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There was kind of an oligarch.

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You could look at your ordinances

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and pick and choose what fit in your community

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that would help alleviate some of the housing crisis.

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They also wanted communities to look at their planning

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and zoning boards and make sure they were trained

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and understood the value of housing

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and how their ordinances should be crafted.

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Maybe take a look at their master plan

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through the help of the hop brand,

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which he said those funds came out of the ARPA funds that helped communities get this

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application in. And lastly, to look at your infrastructure and see where you might need

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water, soar, or transportation.

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And those communities that did step up in the first round anyway, and became housing champions, then there was grant funding available. We had $5 million that was available from the state that was directly to communities, not to developers, different than the program that Andrew spoke about. They went right to different communities to help with infrastructure. So in the first round is 24, we did spend or award.

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$5 million to seven communities in New Hampshire.

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Now, the 10 communities that came in 2025,

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they did not approve more funding for this program

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in the last budget.

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But we are hopeful that in the future now

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that you are housing champion,

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you'll be online that if there are future funds available

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for infrastructure that you'll be allowed to apply

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for those funds.

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But in the meantime, we have looked at other ways

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that housing champion communities like yourself can benefit from being a

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housing champion. And we've partnered with agencies like DOT, like DES, and they

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have made a part of their grant process for the clean water, state-loving,

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loan fund, that it's actually part of that grant fund. If you're a housing

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champion, you get 10 extra points on their program. DOT is looking at exorbitant

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permitting for communities that are housing champions. DNCR as well is looking at adding

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it to their grant programs. So that's a way of partnering with agencies to help communities

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that are looking to address housing. And so we're very proud and happy to be partnering

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with Hillsboro as one of our smaller communities to be willing to be a champion. So congratulations.

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I do, I do, how do we have any of our, um, cushions, any of the rest here?

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Three of us.

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry.

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I can't say.

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I'm so worried.

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They would like to speak it.

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Thank you.

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Oh no.

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I'm just congratulations.

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It was all I wanted to say.

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Great job.

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Thank you.

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Yep.

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My green.

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And we also have Margaret Anne from New Hampshire.

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I'm Margaret Barnes, municipal hamster, municipal association.

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You got it.

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Well, thank you.

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I'm Margaret Barnes, I'm the executive director of the New Hampshire Municipal Association.

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And I wanted to come here this evening to congratulate you on achieving housing champion status.

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The housing champion's program is a beautiful partnership between the state and local government

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to address a statewide issue to address housing.

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and it does it through incentivizing municipalities

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to make choices locally that work best for them.

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And really what the town of Hillsboro

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and all the housing champions has done

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have done is exemplify that local options

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and local government can get things done

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when it comes to housing development

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and other issues statewide.

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So congratulations.

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Thank you for being a stellar municipality

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and for going for this housing champions designation.

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It's not easy to achieve.

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and this was one of the programs that NHMA advocated very hard for,

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including continued funding for the program. And so, while the program wasn't

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funded in the current biennial budget, I really applaud the VEA for finding

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other creative ways to reward communities who have achieved this status and

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NHMA will continue to advocate for funding for issues like housing and

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others. So, thank you for having me. Thank you for listening and congratulations.

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We

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would like to, if we have a plaque, we'd like to get a photo with the board if we can just take a minute to do that, with

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Is that okay? Can we take a minute?

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Yeah.

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And a whole lot of this stuff, chair.

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The whole group?

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I mean, I have this island.

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I don't know if you chair your planning board is here.

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I mean, now our plan is here.

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Where are you right here?

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I mean, how are we, how are we, yeah?

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Mark it.

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Come here.

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Yeah.

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Back here.

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Come here.

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We could get a phone.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no.

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Take it all over.

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Yeah.

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Thanks for coming.

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I'm Robert the boss.

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Oh, I agree.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Good to see you.

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You're welcome.

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You're welcome.

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It's awesome.

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It's awesome.

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I think it's awesome.

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And I think it's awesome.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Hello!

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I'm gonna bite you over here.

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You're gonna get close.

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If you can't see the camera what you can't see you.

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You may have a j've at 1.

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Yeah, j've at 1.

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Are we on set?

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OK.

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Sorry about my shirt.

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That's OK.

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Beautiful.

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OK.

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I'm with B.E.A. too.

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There we go.

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We do have one with the front of it.

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Turn around.

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Oh, there we go.

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Beautiful.

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Thank you.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you for having us.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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So

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I money and gender is definitely my pleasure.

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James and Laura.

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Here to meet you.

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Thank you.

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It's a pleasure.

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Recommended.

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Excuse me.

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You need to...

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So this is James.

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I sent the board an email regarding the processing

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which is for the deputy and there were three individuals

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who were interested in it and in speaking

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with Gail Cremens, who is the treasurer

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about the three.

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One of them took themselves out of it

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because his schedule wasn't going to judge

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what we needed.

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And Mr. Ainsworth, not the victor.

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So this is the board, Iris Campbell is the chair, Rich Palatir, and James Bayley.

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Nice to meet you.

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Relative newcomer, Comer II, the town of Hillsborough, we moved in in May of 2022.

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We escaped the Wiles of Connecticut, the Lyft Free, and maybe die a lot later.

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I just really enjoyed the time we spent here as vacationers, but I always

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pine for the opportunity to be a full-time player in the land of good nature

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and really wonderful people. We've enjoyed our stay in the town of Hillsboro.

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I was looking for a way to provide a little bit of my expertise, whatever might

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that we needed to assist in this capacity

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is deputy treasurer.

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So look forward to the opportunity to serve,

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whenever do you call.

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And further my education in the town's operation

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and it's my hands.

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So thank you.

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We're going to approve the appointment.

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I make a motion to approve the appointment

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of James Ainsworth as deputy treasurer.

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Well, a second.

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Certainly.

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All this is for one year, two or one year term.

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All the favor?

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All right.

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I'm going to go with delegation of authority for the listening, group sidewalk project.

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Yes, there's some paperwork.

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Robin has been the LPA person for the sidewalk project and there is some paperwork that's coming

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forward that requires certificate of authority, which the board is well versed in it because

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as most of our grants have to have.

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So I'm expressing that the board make this motion

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which I'll ask you to read and pass it

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and then have the chairman sign

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the certificate authority to go to the board.

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Make a motion to grant the authority

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to planning directly to sign and execute any

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on all documentation and to implement that activity

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on behalf of the townholdsboro business

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in the transportation alternatives program and highway safety improvement funding for

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the purpose of the West Main Street sidewalk project. Do I have a second?

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Second. All in favor? Aye.

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I'm

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still cold.

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Make a motion to approve the minutes of April 8th. Do I have a second?

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Second. All in favor? Aye.

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I make a motion to approve the consent agenda for April 22nd. Do I have a second?

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That's what I can do.

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All in favor?

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All right.

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Hi.

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Motion to accept the manifest. April 22nd, second. All in favor?

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It is listed on the consent agenda, but there's been a change in the bank. We're not sure if they want it to be a separate motion in the minutes. So I'm asking that you do that to sign the paperwork. I make a motion to sign the paperwork in anticipation. No.

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They tax anticipation note why the second sure all in favor

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We can

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check me see if I get it wrong. I'm gonna make you say

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I

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just want to explain a little of what I gave you in your

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packets

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Rich at the last meeting you wanted to see a listing of taxes by year correct so that is this

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paper, the Florence numbers that are on the left of the paper, anything with the

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cell, those that are in the mean,

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and in the years are right there. I just want

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to make sure that's what you were looking for. Yeah, that was what I was looking for.

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So the bottom line is that we have to make up all these gas cells at the end of the year,

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right?

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Because we're interested in getting the whole amount in, if we don't, then that might

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have come from somewhere, correct?

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It comes from there eventually when we collect it.

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That's true, but I mean we can't go out in.

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No, no, no.

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But what I mean is, when we set out the tax bills,

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we'll say nice even numbers.

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We'll say between the school and the town,

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we need $2 million, okay?

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And most of that comes from this, I would say.

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Kind of some tax.

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Could you?

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Yeah.

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And if we only collect, instead of collecting

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2 million we only collect 1,900,000 that other 100,000 would have to come from somewhere

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because our bills and we're going to have to give the school their money and our bills

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and that comes out to 2 million dollars so we would need that 100,000 come up from somewhere

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that would be the money that we have in our capital reserve is that we don't want to come

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from.

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So it really it comes from the taxes when they pay and we can't so we have good

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I know that's why we have tax intensification of if we need it if not we

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So our finance director is very good at especially when it's time to send the

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school, sometimes the school will take a partial payment.

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Sometimes you can hold bills

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aside, but it's kind of a roaming number because it all our bills were due at once.

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Correct.

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And we got all our bills in, but we didn't get all the money in, then we would take out

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the tax interest.

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Okay.

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But at the end of our fiscal year, we have to pay all of the bills for that year. And if

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We don't have, again, the example that I gave

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that $2 million that we needed to pay the bills

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between the school and the town.

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And if we only get $1,900,000, that other $100,000

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would come from a tax anticipation now.

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If we didn't have any funds to pay it, yes.

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but now you have to remember we have we have a fund balance that's it's not a

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hundred percent but so that we don't pull from the fund balance and put it

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towards something that hasn't been approved at that meeting but if you have

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money in your account that you can't spend still in your account and it's a

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rolling number, you know, in a perfect world, if we got all the revenues in, get all our

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expenses in, and we paid everything, that some of money would be there. But to say that,

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you know, we don't have $2 million that just sits there because of this. No, no, no, no, I mean,

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but if you don't have the money, then you have to take them and then the taxes started to pay,

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But

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that tax anticipation, I remember a couple of years ago, we were really, really shown

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on money.

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That's when we had that tax anticipation now.

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And that wasn't because, that wasn't because we didn't get the tax right but it was because

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it was before the date that the new because I tax revenue is based on basically two

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days, December and June. During the rest of the year we had to get any money yet I

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would imagine. We get a little bit but most of it is still. But if our expenses

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exceed that amount that comes in in June that's when we use the tax

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and we have to pay it back.

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I have all these questions.

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Some of them, some of them we've probably asked before,

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but we have other money.

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We have like a million or two million dollars

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sitting in the money bar accounts.

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No, no, we have the first year at the specified money

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accounts you're talking about because I don't know

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what you mean by it.

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OK, we have,

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remember when we were doing a budget,

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we

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were talking about buying the first year payment on the fire truck and I

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said we could take that $140,000 out of capital reserve fund. That capital reserve

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fund is used for what?

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That's the they have a capital reserve fund just for fire

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equipment but don't we have a cap or reserve fund for the town as well like a

503
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,740
large. No, no, no, we have, I thought we had. You mean our un-designated fund?

504
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:16,340
I'm just a non-design. That's when I was just talking to them. Yes. Yes.

505
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:22,220
What do we use that for? We can only use that for whatever we request the

506
00:44:22,220 --> 00:44:28,280
builders approved to use it for. So we don't make it, we don't use that for a

507
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,260
shortfall and not. If there's,

508
00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:36,280
we don't use,

509
00:44:39,070 --> 00:44:42,010
you know, you can't take from it and not

510
00:44:42,010 --> 00:44:48,210
replace it. Let's just say. So it's not that we physically take from it. If, if we've collected

511
00:44:49,090 --> 00:44:56,330
more money than we need it in a year, which we can't bill more than we need. So you know, it's just a

512
00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:59,970
matter of, it's been a good year, people have been.

513
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
If there's taxes on time, we've gotten all the money we need, but we're really not using that. But if there's, if part of that money is in our account, it floats us in a way. But I want to be careful in the wording I use because as we see a town meeting, it's called the rainy day fund, or you didn't do that because that's not really what happened. But so in other words, an example that I use, where we need $2,000,000 to run the town in the school.

514
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:38,760
for the year and we only collect $1.9 million. That other $100,000 would not be taken from

515
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:44,680
the undesignated fund balance who would not borrow from that or use that money.

516
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,820
We can't borrow from it, but if it's sitting in our account, it's just a rolling number because

517
00:45:53,820 --> 00:46:00,100
every day we're putting money in the bank. So it's not in the bank saying, okay, this much

518
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:03,080
of what's in your bank is from the undisclined fund balance.

519
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,300
There's, that's how it's labeled when it's out in money.

520
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,900
And we know that this is the amount that we can't spend.

521
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:18,620
If we had everything in a perfect world, we would have this extra $2 million right there

522
00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:24,180
and we can't spend that on having, we can't go out and purchase a bill.

523
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:37,080
No, I understand that, I understand that it's, it's undesignated, but we can, and we can, we don't have the authority to spend it, the only people who have authority to spend it would be the task providers have to meet it.

524
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:37,200
Right.

525
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:43,180
Or get the board chose to put some of it toward the user's property task.

526
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,400
And that does not mean that I

527
00:46:51,610 --> 00:46:52,310
shouldn't get it.

528
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:58,000
So getting back to that, the question that I had.

529
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,620
If we needed that $100,000, we would have come from.

530
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:09,170
If we didn't have money in the bank, that's how we would know we would need it.

531
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:12,230
Then it would come from the tax education.

532
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:28,680
I also gave you a preliminary schedule for the West Main Street side rock projects.

533
00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:33,720
I think that pre-construction meeting is probably going to be some time next week.

534
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:39,860
We don't have the date and time yet once we have that, if there's anyone who wants to

535
00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:44,560
send that out to the board, if there's two, at least two of you that want to attend

536
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:51,380
any post that, so it's going to be, it's going to be, I take that back that next week.

537
00:47:51,820 --> 00:47:56,240
Next week's not me for the board, so we can wait for, it's going to be that week.

538
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:04,260
But I just highlighted preliminary, so there wouldn't be any misunderstanding on that.

539
00:48:07,070 --> 00:48:13,560
I also gave you a copy of the expenses and revenues.

540
00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:19,780
Something was mentioned at the last meeting, and it hadn't brought to me previously by her

541
00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:26,940
residents who thought I should know what was being said in public, but the board

542
00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:31,520
looks at expenses every meeting. You sign off on all the expenses that we're

543
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:39,260
meeting. I did give you through March. I did give you the revenues. What was

544
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:49,740
mentioned at the last meeting, it had somebody wanted to see that you we

545
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:56,280
and the board hadn't said that at the time, which I understand why, but those

546
00:49:00,020 --> 00:49:01,260
are all payments

547
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:02,600
that the board has approved.

548
00:49:07,850 --> 00:49:14,670
I sent you an update via email with regard to the pay property, the barn is gone.

549
00:49:16,570 --> 00:49:24,530
It's been a lot of drama, but we're still dealing with that, but they did an excellent job, very professional.

550
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:34,210
The property, it was wet because of the rain we had had, and the property owner called

551
00:49:34,210 --> 00:49:38,190
DES, three different individuals at DES, called EPA.

552
00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:51,210
The recent one I dealt with was elderly services, but

553
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,340
it's down.

554
00:49:57,460 --> 00:50:08,020
Lone has put down to repair where the truck's damaged the lawn and some crushed gravel was

555
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:14,660
put down where the partially where the barn was so that he could put his cars that had been

556
00:50:14,660 --> 00:50:22,060
in the barn on that crushed gravel. So it was very nicely done, very quick. By the time they started,

557
00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:25,400
demolition was Monday, it's done now,

558
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:33,000
so we assured everyone that we that

559
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,680
were called on us, we gave them the inspection reports on the structure, we

560
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:45,900
gave them court order, we gave them everything we had, so we'll continue to to

561
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:46,400
do that.

562
00:50:49,300 --> 00:51:00,480
And we have been, Mr. Pepper's company, has generously donated, they had some extra

563
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:08,140
office furniture, so asked if we would like it. So we are going to be picking up a couple

564
00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:20,000
desks, a couple of file cabinets, a couple of accessories, tables, that we have some old furniture here that we'd like to replace.

565
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:31,450
And we are not, it's being donated to us. We thank you. There's a crew heading there on Friday to the to Manchester.

566
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:37,510
And it also had anticipation we're waiting for a German to get the pricing for the board to take a look at.

567
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:47,930
And we had discussed with this room in changing the town office so that we can provide more safety

568
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:53,150
between the staff and residents, especially after the altercation that took place.

569
00:51:53,650 --> 00:52:00,770
And we've been talking about for years over, I don't think it was even the summer, it was in the fall.

570
00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:11,590
So, but that will definitely come in handy if that's what we could use it now.

571
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:19,810
Well,

572
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:24,480
I also gave you a Woods Wall-A-Mill Progress report.

573
00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:27,900
I've sat Woods Wall-A-Mill today, so from Department of Labor,

574
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:34,600
which we're carrying to Woods Wall-A-Mill for the first day.

575
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:39,340
And they thought that was a good day to bring that environmental service commissioner down.

576
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:48,760
And we had explained the project to him and he looked around, but it was a great project.

577
00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:58,220
And he does this progress report and then outlines the funding, which is really critical to see.

578
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:08,180
And that project is going to be set to be completed by the end of this year by fall.

579
00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:10,960
So that's pretty exciting.

580
00:53:11,540 --> 00:53:15,960
And there will be an opportunity if anybody wants to help out with plantings again.

581
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:19,640
It was down there.

582
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,360
Rich, were you down there?

583
00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:22,820
And we did plantings before?

584
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:23,640
No.

585
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:24,400
No.

586
00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:25,780
I was out of this.

587
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,100
Yeah.

588
00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:29,260
So I'll keep you updated on that.

589
00:53:37,310 --> 00:53:44,270
And the last thing is I've gotten a request from the police union to start negotiations.

590
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:52,540
So I would ask for a left or a representative, if you don't have to do that right now,

591
00:53:52,620 --> 00:53:58,120
we haven't set a date, but if there's, between the three of you, any

592
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:01,480
of you who were just

593
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,800
done, I don't think I was suspended on negotiations in the end,

594
00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:09,370
but Jim has for a couple of them

595
00:54:09,370 --> 00:54:12,350
Richard was on last year or last month.

596
00:54:19,890 --> 00:54:22,410
I'm just suggesting that you may want to

597
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:25,610
remember Jim or Rich, my friend.

598
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:29,740
She can't believe it's been three years since last year.

599
00:54:30,860 --> 00:54:32,060
Did you miss yesterday?

600
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:33,120
Yeah, I know.

601
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,920
Yeah, and one of the things I spoke to the chief about

602
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:42,420
is the police union has not had the rep from Boston

603
00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:44,480
the last couple of times.

604
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:48,000
And I'd like to try.

605
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,580
And I ran this by the chief to find out what his opinion was.

606
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,720
I'm not sure that we need to have our attorney there.

607
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,920
And this should be, you know, if we run into any questions or something.

608
00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:03,600
I don't know how the board feels, but it's a costly venture.

609
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:08,280
And there really hasn't been a lot of

610
00:55:11,060 --> 00:55:14,160
items that were stick,

611
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,180
but I think I was the one holding out for one of them in the last time.

612
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:21,120
and the other rich and the chief and the attorney were like,

613
00:55:21,180 --> 00:55:23,820
Laura, that's what you're going to battle on.

614
00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:26,360
I like that.

615
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:30,780
So I don't know how you feel about that.

616
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:38,940
If there's anything that we question the legalities of,

617
00:55:39,340 --> 00:55:45,800
or we could still refer to the attorney,

618
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:51,080
but do we need to have them at the table for,

619
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:53,740
because sometimes it's just set the ground rules,

620
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:57,360
it's the initial one, and then do the dates.

621
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,340
Then the ground rules are the same every time you meet.

622
00:56:05,310 --> 00:56:08,830
And then to initially see what they're looking for,

623
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:15,610
do we need the attorney to pay the attorney to drive here,

624
00:56:15,610 --> 00:56:24,570
to sit there in that or what do you mean. I went through two of them. The first one was with

625
00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:32,530
the rep from Massachusetts and we definitely needed one there. Yeah. And then after that, I felt

626
00:56:32,530 --> 00:56:42,210
the next one was because they didn't have that rep. They needed themselves the whoever was very

627
00:56:42,210 --> 00:56:49,050
reasonable, and I think it was in our best interest, everything went smoothly. And then

628
00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:53,850
when you did the next one, the rep wasn't there either, that rep wasn't there, but the

629
00:56:54,490 --> 00:57:02,070
police have come, they don't ask outrageous demands. And I think, I mean, if they come

630
00:57:02,070 --> 00:57:06,110
in with something that we don't understand, of course, we should talk to our lawyer, but

631
00:57:06,110 --> 00:57:10,470
But other than that, I don't know if we need it at this point, you know.

632
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:13,590
The only thing is,

633
00:57:16,050 --> 00:57:24,910
they're trained at these meetings, well, they talk, they know how

634
00:57:24,910 --> 00:57:29,210
to present our point of view because they're trained to do that.

635
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:31,330
We don't have that training.

636
00:57:31,710 --> 00:57:37,210
That's the only thing that I would say that it's good to have them because if you remember

637
00:57:37,210 --> 00:57:44,770
When we meet with them, it's usually our attorney that speaks, but we come up with our

638
00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:47,650
position and the attorney is the one who presents it.

639
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:49,910
And they

640
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:58,010
presented in such a way that they

641
00:58:01,660 --> 00:58:05,960
have a presence that I don't, I'm not sure

642
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,800
we would.

643
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:17,520
And I can see that with the employee union because, and it's not the employee's

644
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,680
surveillance agency, she worked in there there, it's the representative of that union who's

645
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,200
always there.

646
00:58:24,380 --> 00:58:29,280
She's retired now, but she had a privilege at the last time, and so I'm not sure what to

647
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,140
accept from that person.

648
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:37,870
I would, I would get, but if they had one as, then we just want to bring our, I don't

649
00:58:37,870 --> 00:58:38,370
have, yeah.

650
00:58:38,370 --> 00:58:43,630
if they don't we try it you know yes we're giving up a little bit but it costs a lot

651
00:58:45,970 --> 00:58:47,410
and maybe

652
00:58:47,410 --> 00:58:52,930
to start it and see where it goes from there yeah something different but with the employee union

653
00:58:52,930 --> 00:58:58,010
because they always had a rent there it would say definitely

654
00:59:00,150 --> 00:59:02,570
I know last time we didn't do this

655
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:09,630
but should we talk as a group to come up with what except

656
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:13,520
for

657
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,140
instance if they're looking for

658
00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:26,560
eight percent, I'm just throwing a number out, and we agree that we're not willing to go above four.

659
00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:34,860
Then our representative knows that we have a number that we're looking for to go either two or lower.

660
00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:37,800
Because that's what we used to do at the school.

661
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:44,480
We were caucus beforehand and come up with this is a map that we're willing to go.

662
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:52,120
So that when you're going to negotiations, you know what that is, should we do that?

663
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,780
I mean, it doesn't hurt when it comes to like possible living all the other things.

664
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:58,760
You don't know.

665
00:59:58,980 --> 00:59:59,880
Yeah, you won't know.

666
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:23,360
So we reach an agreement and then it gets brought to the board. Correct. But at least cost of living. What if there's anything else that we're looking for? Concessions on and I don't know what those are. If anything, but you would. Would it be helpful for us to do that? I think it's always helpful, especially for the board rat. Right now, or how it's going to be? I'm quite angry.

667
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:30,800
To the board reps. She would probably appreciate that. Definitely.

668
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:52,260
Yeah, and then we have, we try to make some changes that we find that's difficult to work with, you know, in the whole scheme of everyday life with payroll and changes to the contracts on those types of things.

669
01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:57,900
And that they don't always go through because sometimes the little things are just sticking points.

670
01:00:57,900 --> 01:00:59,340
Yeah, but

671
01:01:05,070 --> 01:01:08,950
if we do decide to meet maybe we should maybe the chief should be at the meeting as well.

672
01:01:10,660 --> 01:01:12,420
Did you do that in a non-public?

673
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,720
Well, that's a non-meeting.

674
01:01:15,140 --> 01:01:17,380
It's not even a non-public, it's just a non.

675
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:18,720
How is it a non-meeting?

676
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,320
Well, only if you have an attorney.

677
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,140
If you meet with the attorney.

678
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:31,260
But if you're doing negotiations, you're talking about negotiations, I thought it was a...

679
01:01:32,780 --> 01:01:34,500
There could be a non-public.

680
01:01:34,500 --> 01:01:35,400
Okay, it could be not.

681
01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:37,860
Yeah, every time we did it with the schools,

682
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:39,360
with the attorney.

683
01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:41,760
And then we came to know, you didn't.

684
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,960
If the attorney has to be there, then we can't.

685
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:46,860
Well, you can still have, I mean,

686
01:01:47,020 --> 01:01:49,440
you can have the attorney there for that meeting.

687
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:50,640
And then.

688
01:01:50,660 --> 01:01:53,630
Well, why, we're not going to have them

689
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:54,330
for the negotiation.

690
01:01:55,030 --> 01:01:55,850
Why have them for that?

691
01:01:56,490 --> 01:01:56,730
True.

692
01:02:02,650 --> 01:02:04,570
But when we want, you can raise your number

693
01:02:04,570 --> 01:02:06,730
on a piece of paper sliding down.

694
01:02:07,870 --> 01:02:08,350
But

695
01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:17,460
I spot about this is that we're not dealing with huge numbers and with the school you

696
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:22,280
had to teach as a union and there's a lot of people and a lot of high salaries so the

697
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,500
numbers are big here.

698
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,660
We don't have that money.

699
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,340
We're only getting 18?

700
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:27,360
Yeah.

701
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,100
So salaries are huge.

702
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,200
And there's only so many things to negotiate in that way now we have the benefits and

703
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:50,640
I was holding out for that dispatched cell phone, it's a problem number, but it is the principle.

704
01:02:57,430 --> 01:03:00,410
We could schedule that as a work session, couldn't we?

705
01:03:01,390 --> 01:03:06,530
I don't know, or it's not in public work session.

706
01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:06,590
I don't know if that's the right question.

707
01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:07,130
Yeah.

708
01:03:07,930 --> 01:03:08,090
Yeah.

709
01:03:08,350 --> 01:03:09,630
You just open a public meeting.

710
01:03:10,610 --> 01:03:10,850
Yeah.

711
01:03:13,230 --> 01:03:14,810
Do other than missionaries.

712
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:15,070
I know.

713
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:20,470
Are there other than the night that we've done other than a day that we have a meeting?

714
01:03:21,070 --> 01:03:24,390
Or if you do whatever you want.

715
01:03:24,510 --> 01:03:24,710
Okay.

716
01:03:24,810 --> 01:03:26,710
If it's not going to be.

717
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:27,590
We can

718
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:32,020
do it at the end of the meeting.

719
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:40,120
I don't care.

720
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,400
My whole day is free and retirement.

721
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,020
So I'm just done.

722
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:44,880
I'm so, I'm feeling like talking about it.

723
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,340
I'm probably being able to make it.

724
01:03:48,220 --> 01:03:48,820
So

725
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,860
when does that start?

726
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,680
I just got the request, so I don't have one there.

727
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:58,820
So when it gets closed, we'll schedule it.

728
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,600
We need to deal with this.

729
01:04:02,180 --> 01:04:04,700
No, I can schedule that meeting normally.

730
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:10,220
So that's normally I meet with the taxpayer ahead of time.

731
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:10,680
Good.

732
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:18,420
But I could certainly set up that request for non-complets with the board

733
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,160
What do you need, Laura?

734
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,560
I was going to go get the submission.

735
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:29,540
I think they went outside.

736
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:30,960
Thank you.

737
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:01,920
Is this the new divisor?

738
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:02,760
It is.

739
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:03,600
Does it work great?

740
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:05,540
It's got you on it right now.

741
01:05:06,180 --> 01:05:07,520
But I don't like it.

742
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,580
Things are moving up and down.

743
01:05:09,820 --> 01:05:11,040
The light is going up and down.

744
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,920
I'm going to have to extend this a little bit.

745
01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:18,440
So we're here to talk about a few different items.

746
01:05:20,780 --> 01:05:22,880
I think this

747
01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:34,150
is going to

748
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:45,030
be a two more.

749
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:58,390
Okay.

750
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,100
So, the first sheet you see is a screenshot from the cover of our

751
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:12,280
suer asset management plan. And it shows the thing that we're looking at next. And

752
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:17,420
the red indicates it's the worst of the worst on the suer portion. So, you can see it

753
01:06:17,420 --> 01:06:21,240
comes down church and then takes an easterly bend towards school street.

754
01:06:25,140 --> 01:06:25,580
I'm

755
01:06:25,580 --> 01:06:28,080
smaller blocks are in yellow and they're nothing great either.

756
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:31,060
As far as sewer goes.

757
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,920
Well a lot of these are cracked bit-fry clay pipe.

758
01:06:38,740 --> 01:06:40,400
So they have a joint every three feet or so.

759
01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:44,300
And they're leaking a lot of ground water into our system.

760
01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:46,960
And that's what our goal is to try to get rid of that.

761
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:51,460
And sort of conveying that and treating it down on your plant.

762
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:58,800
So, the following sheet shows

763
01:07:01,550 --> 01:07:02,570
two scenarios.

764
01:07:02,930 --> 01:07:06,330
We've got, if you look on the top row, it's a scenario A and B in the right.

765
01:07:07,730 --> 01:07:13,170
And, scenario A and B only includes for church street down the moral.

766
01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:22,710
And then a brief leg over to the stream there from a strong water perspective

767
01:07:23,230 --> 01:07:26,850
because we expect that the stormwater will probably need to be treated in the discharge of that.

768
01:07:27,150 --> 01:07:27,710
What's the name of that?

769
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:29,550
Maud Ashbrook.

770
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:30,090
How does that work?

771
01:07:30,290 --> 01:07:31,870
Which is on Merle Street extension.

772
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,800
As you get down the hill to a highway barn.

773
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,500
That's where probably the stormwater would have to be, at least.

774
01:07:43,020 --> 01:07:45,540
So now looking at scenario A, that's only those two streets.

775
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,700
There's other side streets there.

776
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:53,500
But this evaluation does not consider the 3,750 linear feet.

777
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:59,060
only to 2,000 feet required for first rate mortal.

778
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,520
So now when you flip to the third sheet,

779
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:12,780
it's the next health spreadsheet.

780
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,080
And on the left hand side of the sheet

781
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,640
is the town's projected cost and contribution.

782
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:23,620
And on the right is Hillsboro Water and Surrogations Cost and Contribution.

783
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:32,840
On the far left hand column, you'll see dates extending from 2025 to 2030.

784
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:43,200
and I included an inflation factor 4% per year and then you can see it can compound it every year.

785
01:08:43,480 --> 01:08:49,440
You just keep adding on to it because inflation will eat away at a project that's the nature of these projects.

786
01:08:53,180 --> 01:09:02,260
So you'll see a blue-colored column under the town category. This is annual capital reserve fund.

787
01:09:02,260 --> 01:09:12,900
So I started off with $370,000 and then increased it to

788
01:09:15,270 --> 01:09:26,910
arrive at, if you look in the yellow column, this is the cost to replace the drainage and roadway elements that are owned by the town.

789
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:38,900
Now, on the left, you'll also see a box, so I tried to match up that accumulated contribution

790
01:09:38,900 --> 01:09:44,260
with the projected cost, so the more or less equal they're off by like $3,000 you can

791
01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:44,480
see.

792
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:53,240
Lightwise, I did it the same for the Water and Sour commission for the Water and Sour

793
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,020
elements, and you can see it's a little bit less.

794
01:09:59,340 --> 01:10:02,080
Going up to the cost per, if you look

795
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:07,520
going to far left hand column you'll see a cost per linear foot. This was obtained from the cost

796
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,660
from the the Woodmore Park project. It's not quite yet completed but substantially completed.

797
01:10:13,540 --> 01:10:22,380
And you can see the unit cost for the construction portion of it. And that's $307.54 for drain

798
01:10:22,380 --> 01:10:31,400
roadways 363 even, water's 310, 45, and sewer's 315, 85.

799
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,400
And I use those and that's

800
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,820
how I kind of rolled into developing this table.

801
01:10:44,220 --> 01:10:45,340
I've got notes on the bottom here.

802
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:49,240
So the park construction bid in 2025 was used to establish its cost.

803
01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:53,540
The accumulative capital

804
01:10:53,540 --> 01:10:57,280
reserve does not assume any interest. So when you say that I'm sure you're going to get some

805
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,480
and interest from whoever you bank with.

806
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,080
And then third, it doesn't include

807
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,100
any sort of strong water asset management plan.

808
01:11:09,740 --> 01:11:12,880
Right now, I think, Laura, I think I sent you something

809
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,160
recently maybe a month ago.

810
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:18,440
Right now, there's a plan if you let me back up.

811
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,060
There's a funding source from the state.

812
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,560
It actually uses APA funds, but it's called the Clean Water SRF.

813
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:34,280
And it uses, it takes EPA funds, and you can use them for stormwater or sewer, but right

814
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:39,400
now there's come a grant program whereby you can have your sewer asset management plan

815
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:44,160
done, but DES picture consultant, so you just get assigned a consultant, but you need to

816
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:50,620
file a pre-application by, I think the end of May, and in our experience for the sewer

817
01:11:50,620 --> 01:11:54,640
portion that we've done previously, it's not that intensive.

818
01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:00,570
So right now, to what would

819
01:12:00,570 --> 01:12:05,050
be the benefit of having their stormwater asset management done, what would that provide?

820
01:12:05,490 --> 01:12:13,830
It would help, at least for this next project, to know the capacity of the downstream stormwater

821
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:20,870
components and future projects. Yeah, right? Yeah, sure. As the consultant looks at what's

822
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:27,370
You're working on, they have an analysis of what's there or what's not there as far as stormwater is concerned.

823
01:12:27,790 --> 01:12:35,720
Because right now, I don't think anybody really knows what you have or the conditions.

824
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,380
So we need to do this for the end of that tomorrow.

825
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:40,920
Can you apply for it?

826
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:41,840
Yes.

827
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:42,600
Okay.

828
01:12:50,350 --> 01:12:51,810
It's called a pre-application.

829
01:12:52,090 --> 01:12:52,550
Right, right.

830
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:57,700
Well, that out there.

831
01:12:57,860 --> 01:13:03,720
Management plan is a lot less intensive than the one that we have prepared for the sewer system.

832
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:09,470
It costs significantly more than what we would even anticipate.

833
01:13:10,350 --> 01:13:13,430
You would have to consider for just one line.

834
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:19,110
It is much less intensive, just by the nature of the water with the cattle on it.

835
01:13:20,670 --> 01:13:22,790
Do we have the cattle on their farm already?

836
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:24,990
Do you have any health experience?

837
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:29,730
Well, first of all, you want new years would have to move

838
01:13:29,730 --> 01:13:33,490
because there's no way we could put money in the 2026.

839
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:34,170
That's right.

840
01:13:34,410 --> 01:13:35,370
I developed this in the town.

841
01:13:35,370 --> 01:13:37,070
That's before we all have a patient.

842
01:13:37,950 --> 01:13:40,190
And test the patient before we have a contract.

843
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:40,810
That's okay.

844
01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:43,950
So any question on the end of the year?

845
01:13:44,530 --> 01:13:44,870
Oh yeah.

846
01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:49,450
Over on the, for each category, the town and the Hillsboro

847
01:13:49,450 --> 01:13:53,590
Water's Recommission on the respective right hand columns,

848
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:58,150
you'll see two rows of $44,125.

849
01:13:59,630 --> 01:14:02,930
So what that represents, we're going to split it half and half.

850
01:14:04,850 --> 01:14:08,650
But for the first year, they'd be roughly $88,000.

851
01:14:08,650 --> 01:14:10,930
dollars and that would get us a concept going.

852
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:14,810
We've phoned when for the

853
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:21,950
wood in more park. Once you have an actual plan going, DDS is really interested in

854
01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:27,030
helping you along. But until you get something on paper to show them, they're

855
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:34,970
not. Every year we've been applying for the SRF programs and one of the

856
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:40,890
criteria is well have you started the design work so that's why we thought we

857
01:14:40,890 --> 01:14:45,010
put that up but because it has to be done sooner later in the hill so

858
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:50,440
we're

859
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:58,830
going to continue to the money away and I guess the timing of the next project is

860
01:14:58,830 --> 01:14:59,850
going to be dependent upon

861
01:15:00,620 --> 01:15:13,200
You're funding schedule. Yes, that's because typically they take what in three years to. From design, design, design through the instruction. In permitting.

862
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:21,210
Actually, we got all the permitting for a couple months, maybe three, four months.

863
01:15:25,170 --> 01:15:26,830
And that was actually the stormwater aspect.

864
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:38,260
So we're going to do the same thing with this project as we did with the one project is we're going to offer the people that are living there. The opportunity.

865
01:15:38,260 --> 01:15:44,400
Can you connect there's some pumps to this pipe that's going to be well well we're

866
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,960
going to we're going to install the same you know a stormwater system that

867
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:54,980
will provide them with a place to put that water which is what we did on

868
01:15:54,980 --> 01:16:02,600
Whittamore Street and but we're still waiting for you folks to come up with

869
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,020
the funding plan or whoever you were going to help the folks to make that

870
01:16:07,020 --> 01:16:12,020
connection where it was going to be paid off in their tax bill over time or how

871
01:16:12,020 --> 01:16:15,700
that was going to work. I think that was that was one of the things you folks were

872
01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:24,200
going to develop was how you wanted to do that. We want to make an effort now

873
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:29,520
that all the infrastructures in place to get those folks who do have some

874
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,440
pumps to connect to that system. It's right now they are connected.

875
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,260
It's run to the

876
01:16:36,260 --> 01:16:40,820
edge of their edge of the road and they need to make that connection. So if their

877
01:16:40,820 --> 01:16:44,200
sound pump was going in the sewer before the project it may still be going in

878
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:44,500
the sewer.

879
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:51,960
You know that's something that you folks would have to figure out how

880
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:56,360
you want to, how you want to address that. It would be done similar to a better

881
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:57,520
minute sex plan.

882
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:03,400
What is that?

883
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:10,080
What we need to find out make who's going to, I'm

884
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,740
assuming some of them are going to want to make payments.

885
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:19,700
Well I mean at this

886
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:28,600
point all we can really do is tell them that they need to do this and they need to talk to you folks

887
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:38,410
on how it's going to be done and whether they hire their own people or you get someone to come in and do them all at once

888
01:17:38,410 --> 01:17:39,910
which would seem to make more sense.

889
01:17:49,010 --> 01:18:01,730
He spoke to Jim about this, he had done similar approaches but different approaches for

890
01:18:01,730 --> 01:18:07,710
various municipalities, primarily out towards the seatbelts, and he offered some methods,

891
01:18:07,710 --> 01:18:10,450
It's, I guess, of how to implement this.

892
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:13,150
So you might want to go and bug in.

893
01:18:15,070 --> 01:18:17,710
Yeah, I don't know if you could put it on out there.

894
01:18:18,370 --> 01:18:20,810
Are you the water and soil department

895
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:29,500
going to monitor or monitor what the right word is?

896
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,340
If they're still using their sump pump

897
01:18:32,340 --> 01:18:34,020
and so put in the source system,

898
01:18:34,180 --> 01:18:38,080
are you going to monitor that to push pressure on them

899
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:46,200
Do, yes, but we want to make sure that when we drive into the town, you folks have a program

900
01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:48,080
if that's what you want to do.

901
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:56,600
So we wanted to make sure that you have something in place before we start taking action

902
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:59,080
to get them to connect.

903
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,180
Those

904
01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:07,360
homes were inventory as part of the original design brass

905
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:15,980
service. And to our knowledge, there were no strong water or

906
01:19:15,980 --> 01:19:21,500
flood rain systems being injected into the sewer, but pipes have

907
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:26,020
a way of moving. And they can be removed and they can be replaced

908
01:19:26,020 --> 01:19:30,520
after the inspection is done. So we'd have to be careful.

909
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:36,760
You'd have to at any point in time, when you're interested, you need to investigate, okay,

910
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:42,520
is there an illegal connection or not that is operating?

911
01:19:42,980 --> 01:19:50,540
I mean, to our knowledge, those have been terminated at some point, but we don't know what

912
01:19:50,540 --> 01:19:52,160
the actual condition is today.

913
01:19:56,180 --> 01:19:59,660
And we do know there are many sound pumps that are just pumping outside the house,

914
01:19:59,660 --> 01:20:01,640
and it goes back in the basement.

915
01:20:07,370 --> 01:20:11,330
So those are the two points that we wanted to discuss

916
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:16,410
as far as, you know, the Wittemore Street Project follow-up on making those connections

917
01:20:16,410 --> 01:20:25,650
and then when, you know, we would be able to start thinking about the next project. Because

918
01:20:25,650 --> 01:20:31,630
you really don't want to start design or anything until you know you've got funding to make

919
01:20:31,630 --> 01:20:38,170
you way through. There's another stuff too, I think. I've mentioned it before. In order

920
01:20:38,170 --> 01:20:43,910
to gain funding for some of the sources, at least for the sewer, we need to go through

921
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:48,650
qualifications based selection systems to pick a consultant. So we can't just say, our

922
01:20:48,650 --> 01:20:52,150
engineers underwent. We need to go through that. I think you folks went through something

923
01:20:52,150 --> 01:20:55,710
with the sidewalk project. It would be similar to that.

924
01:21:02,580 --> 01:21:03,740
It's a process we're getting ready

925
01:21:03,740 --> 01:21:06,820
done. Okay. Not until we kept some commitment.

926
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:16,170
So, we're only doing potter

927
01:21:16,170 --> 01:21:16,730
street,

928
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:27,600
most of Murdle Street. Yes. Is the idea to finish it the next time?

929
01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:37,460
Well, the next project could entail the upstream streets, if you will, like

930
01:21:37,460 --> 01:21:44,100
Newman and Pleasant, central, upper central, they could,

931
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,100
but you start looking at the

932
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:57,180
dollars and when we step, when you look at the linear fee, it just gets, it's almost

933
01:21:57,180 --> 01:22:01,540
double. So that's why I said, what, let's just look at these two streets and see how much

934
01:22:01,540 --> 01:22:05,360
it's going to pay. And that's where, what's reflected on the third Excel sheet here.

935
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:10,220
Is that some of what we did for Winnemore, as far as many of you feet?

936
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:17,320
It's a good question. I don't recall often. I looked at this because this was our next hot spot, if you will.

937
01:22:19,060 --> 01:22:24,540
Yeah, you've been here, you've educated me for that. Myrtle Street was the next one on your project.

938
01:22:24,820 --> 01:22:30,900
And we, at the time, postponed topping Myrtle Street with payment.

939
01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:37,840
Yeah, we didn't know well, you know, we discussed that with the other department, so we were

940
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,780
aware of that, you know.

941
01:22:40,060 --> 01:22:40,920
I think it was pay.

942
01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:44,720
It's just the only one who did most of the storm water system.

943
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:52,960
And so we recommended, yeah, hold off on placing the storm water until we saw how much capacity it

944
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,160
would require if we brought the storm water down.

945
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,540
in the church street in Murtle or whoever that was going to work.

946
01:22:58,580 --> 01:23:03,980
Yeah, there was a hold-off on the stormwater out there.

947
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:11,040
Is the blue on this first page meaning this is a good connection or a call

948
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,820
with a conflict that this is something that doesn't have to be replaced?

949
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:20,080
If it wasn't as bad as the red and the yellow.

950
01:23:22,090 --> 01:23:27,430
So a pot of merino is blue, so that means that really doesn't have to be done.

951
01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:31,670
This was based on our consultant's review of primarily.

952
01:23:33,470 --> 01:23:38,090
We had a consultant named Ted Berry and they did all our line-in and they got swallowed

953
01:23:38,090 --> 01:23:43,090
up by coming in by the name of vortex, but they kept very good records for the most part.

954
01:23:44,030 --> 01:23:51,050
And so we've got historical video of all these sewers and how they performed over probably

955
01:23:51,050 --> 01:23:53,550
a 10-year window that we've retained

956
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:55,430
Tidebury and vortex.

957
01:23:56,450 --> 01:23:58,770
So, back got handed over to Underwood

958
01:23:58,770 --> 01:24:00,890
when they did conduct a dis-evaluation.

959
01:24:02,670 --> 01:24:05,170
I personally didn't look at this, these videos.

960
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:07,070
Okay, I just wonder.

961
01:24:08,890 --> 01:24:12,070
I don't think you can get to the red part without doing some of the blue part.

962
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:12,850
Well, no, I know that.

963
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:13,970
Yeah, that's right.

964
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:15,630
It's the reason why I asked her because

965
01:24:15,630 --> 01:24:19,990
there's not, you can look at church street, for instance,

966
01:24:20,450 --> 01:24:24,450
After Walnut, there's not a lot of street left.

967
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:28,610
I just wonder whether we should just sue everything

968
01:24:28,610 --> 01:24:31,410
from the school up to Mertle, you know,

969
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:34,410
because that small section, if we plan to do it,

970
01:24:34,530 --> 01:24:37,150
we'll say three, four, five, six years from now,

971
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:40,270
it doesn't make, well, I guess you do it

972
01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:42,630
with Brown and Walnut, but I don't know.

973
01:24:43,250 --> 01:24:44,270
Yeah, there's a break in the sewer,

974
01:24:44,370 --> 01:24:46,070
it doesn't extend down that area.

975
01:24:46,710 --> 01:24:48,070
Fix it up farther down the street,

976
01:24:48,210 --> 01:24:49,410
just a not even half a block.

977
01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:53,450
He's talking about it in the one hand. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about this. The Southwest.

978
01:24:54,190 --> 01:24:56,650
No, I'm talking about heading to a school. Oh, yeah.

979
01:24:57,550 --> 01:25:00,870
There's not a lot of street left.

980
01:25:01,510 --> 01:25:01,670
No.

981
01:25:03,770 --> 01:25:11,090
So I would think it would make sense for us if we were going to repay the church street

982
01:25:11,090 --> 01:25:15,330
to do all the way down the brown street and do that one more.

983
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:19,250
But I, again, I speak to myself and I speak to the board.

984
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:22,890
But then again, if it's blue, it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be done.

985
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:26,610
Well, that's kind of why you hire a consultant to help you through these.

986
01:25:27,190 --> 01:25:31,210
Yeah, well, that's screened, it's good.

987
01:25:32,170 --> 01:25:33,530
I forgot what the color of me.

988
01:25:33,650 --> 01:25:33,790
Oh.

989
01:25:34,210 --> 01:25:34,770
Next up,

990
01:25:40,150 --> 01:25:41,630
to copy that and put it on here somehow.

991
01:25:43,250 --> 01:25:43,950
Good question.

992
01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:45,350
We all know red is.

993
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:47,470
Red, that's the worst.

994
01:25:51,060 --> 01:25:57,540
We're under the impression that if it's red, blue, green or yellow, it's 100 years old.

995
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:58,600
Oh yeah, more.

996
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,020
And more than 100 years old.

997
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:05,660
And eventually, it's going to be easy to be done.

998
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:11,120
And initially, you gave us the indication of the worst.

999
01:26:12,020 --> 01:26:13,740
And that's why we picked way more.

1000
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:15,480
And part to do first.

1001
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:15,920
Right.

1002
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:22,360
And the second in line was Viral Street, and I guess Church Street, but you had indicated

1003
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:29,140
to that before, so I mean, I remember it, I don't, it's not a surprise to me, but I understand

1004
01:26:29,140 --> 01:26:30,480
how you want to do it.

1005
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,720
Well we, I think we provided you with copies of that asset management, the sewer asset

1006
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:36,020
management.

1007
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,480
And the engineers evaluated them in different ways.

1008
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:44,440
One was condition, one was if it fails, what's the impact going to be, you know, and so

1009
01:26:44,440 --> 01:26:48,980
So there's several different charts in there to address that.

1010
01:26:52,160 --> 01:27:00,230
Any other questions on would-and-war or this information?

1011
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:10,860
I know you guys don't have an appetite or would like to do a big project like we talked

1012
01:27:10,860 --> 01:27:20,160
about earlier, but it wouldn't make sense to expand the scope of this project.

1013
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:27,140
to do Neumann, and the other, you know, out of central, but I think it's central pleasant

1014
01:27:27,140 --> 01:27:27,960
while that.

1015
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:33,620
Press the church on the ground and take a small note, yeah maybe it would double a cost

1016
01:27:33,620 --> 01:27:38,560
maybe and just spread it, you know, we come up with extra amount of dollars over three or

1017
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:44,640
four years, whatever is left, we finance it for a period of time, that way that whole chunk

1018
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:45,120
is done.

1019
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:54,560
Well, I guess, again, we're going to continue to try to gather the funds that we need to

1020
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:55,380
do these projects.

1021
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:02,240
You folks have got to go to town meeting to finance this sort of thing.

1022
01:28:02,540 --> 01:28:05,240
So I guess, however you think,

1023
01:28:07,460 --> 01:28:12,100
it's easier to put $130,000 a year, or it's easier to get

1024
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:18,380
a bond pass, I don't know how that works when you don't really have a design.

1025
01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:21,140
So you don't really know a scope.

1026
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,100
Well, we have to do a design.

1027
01:28:23,300 --> 01:28:25,560
I mean, first we'd have to agree on the scope.

1028
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:26,800
Then we have to go to design.

1029
01:28:27,300 --> 01:28:29,620
And a cost estimate, then we move forward.

1030
01:28:29,820 --> 01:28:30,420
I would think.

1031
01:28:32,430 --> 01:28:34,090
But if you look at expanding the scope,

1032
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:36,750
if you don't know what number you're expanding to.

1033
01:28:36,930 --> 01:28:37,290
Well, no.

1034
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:40,050
Or you can go and say, this is the number

1035
01:28:40,050 --> 01:28:41,810
we need to get the voters to approve.

1036
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:44,470
And then the scope is automatically set

1037
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:47,330
by the ultimate design and construction.

1038
01:28:55,770 --> 01:29:04,070
I just try to think down the line, and if we're going to do half of this section now

1039
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:09,310
and then three or four years from now we're going to do the other half because that makes sense to do it all.

1040
01:29:09,310 --> 01:29:14,410
because economy is a scale, you know, it would be a little bit significantly cheaper if we did

1041
01:29:15,170 --> 01:29:19,270
this whole block at one point. You're going to have the construction material there,

1042
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:23,210
you're going to have the people there, you're going to have everything there rather than

1043
01:29:23,210 --> 01:29:34,740
doing twice. Absolutely more efficient. But again, we don't know until we figure it out.

1044
01:29:34,740 --> 01:29:42,640
And I guess my question is, how difficult would it be to increase, to do this and do the

1045
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:48,220
rest of this section, how much work was it to do this and how much work would it be to

1046
01:29:48,220 --> 01:29:48,860
do the whole thing?

1047
01:29:49,620 --> 01:29:52,100
Work mean in design work or construction work?

1048
01:29:52,380 --> 01:29:52,580
No.

1049
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:52,840
For both.

1050
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:59,960
Well, what you did, I've experienced these two sheets to include Newman plus

1051
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:13,600
You can probably do it right now. You just take 350 over 2000. What is that? And you just multiply

1052
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:14,580
that times each.

1053
01:30:17,220 --> 01:30:20,760
We don't have the length of these three. Here we do.

1054
01:30:24,260 --> 01:30:28,840
So it's not quite

1055
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:30,420
double, but it's going to be so good for you.

1056
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:39,440
What's not, what I had to go and do is if you'll see on the second sheet with the

1057
01:30:39,820 --> 01:30:45,860
street links, you've got features here. And it's kind of hard to, we don't have a design

1058
01:30:45,860 --> 01:30:50,300
sit in front of us. So I looked at, you know, how many curves do we have? I mean,

1059
01:30:50,380 --> 01:30:53,820
sidewalks do we have? And that kind of factors into how much the roadway costs are

1060
01:30:53,820 --> 01:30:59,860
going to be. Yeah. The water and the sewer, they don't care. You know, our costs are kind

1061
01:30:59,860 --> 01:31:07,100
of not fixed, but we need to replace the whole need. Because the next intersection and

1062
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:07,700
tie in there.

1063
01:31:13,420 --> 01:31:18,140
I mean, I guess my answer to your question depends

1064
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:22,390
on your confidence in

1065
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:28,330
being able to get the voters to approve a larger bond or whether you're better off, you know,

1066
01:31:28,330 --> 01:31:34,070
putting aside a certain amount of money every year and doing it, you know, on a

1067
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:37,430
little smaller scale. And I really can't speak to whether that's going to be

1068
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:44,790
successful or not. It's up to, you know, I'm not against it. But if you get a bond,

1069
01:31:45,570 --> 01:31:50,930
you're going to have to pay off the bond before you can do another project. So you

1070
01:31:50,930 --> 01:31:56,550
might end up doing this project and not doing another one for six years rather

1071
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:58,430
rather than doing what every tree is.

1072
01:31:58,990 --> 01:32:02,170
But if you do double work, you take the 60s

1073
01:32:02,170 --> 01:32:02,970
and get it done anyway.

1074
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:07,610
But again, I'm not saying that we would take a bond

1075
01:32:07,610 --> 01:32:08,590
for the whole amount of money.

1076
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:12,230
I'm saying that we would start accumulating money

1077
01:32:12,230 --> 01:32:15,870
like we are when we started.

1078
01:32:16,730 --> 01:32:21,330
We would, instead of having what was this 15,

1079
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:26,130
would be the $1.5 billion, we need a lot of

1080
01:32:26,130 --> 01:32:33,590
million dollars would have 1.5 and we would finance 1.5. So when I'm talking to

1081
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:40,070
a huge amount of money, I mean, compared to 20 to 30 million dollars to do a

1082
01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:46,890
lot, I mean, we're talking relatively small amount. But I don't know, I mean.

1083
01:32:50,290 --> 01:32:54,950
There's one, I guess, funding mechanism we haven't really talked about, but the

1084
01:32:54,950 --> 01:33:04,770
The Clean Water SRF funding from DES, the Drinky Water SRF Project funding source from DES.

1085
01:33:07,210 --> 01:33:13,610
Typically you have some percentage of forgiveness, which is kind of like a grant, but you can't

1086
01:33:13,610 --> 01:33:17,650
really depend on that until you have a design set in front of you, and you can solve

1087
01:33:17,650 --> 01:33:22,190
them and approach this DES and say, how are we looking at this fiscal year, or two years

1088
01:33:22,190 --> 01:33:23,150
up from now.

1089
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,700
But you can't have those conversations until you have at least a concept plan and

1090
01:33:28,700 --> 01:33:30,060
a consultant help you with this.

1091
01:33:32,830 --> 01:33:32,990
Yeah.

1092
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:41,060
So maybe I have the answer to your question is that come up with some of the some portion

1093
01:33:41,060 --> 01:33:48,500
of these engineering funds that yet the concept initiated for the overall project that you're

1094
01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:53,600
talking about. Come up with the engineering funds so that we have something to start with

1095
01:33:53,600 --> 01:34:01,800
in terms of application for grant money or loan money or decision making just on our part.

1096
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:07,940
As to okay, we have the beginnings of a design and based on the preliminary cost estimates,

1097
01:34:08,260 --> 01:34:09,400
we can't afford it.

1098
01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:12,080
So we're going to scale back the scope of our work.

1099
01:34:12,780 --> 01:34:18,000
So maybe it starts with putting together some of these energy and hearing funds

1100
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:28,580
They were estimated here, expanded by basically doubling the project, but to give us a starting

1101
01:34:28,580 --> 01:34:36,480
point without yet having to start collecting funds and keep the capital started to

1102
01:34:38,940 --> 01:34:39,080
think

1103
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:46,160
about bonding, start with the engineering or the beginnings of the engineering, which

1104
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:47,420
I don't know if it's a concept.

1105
01:34:49,940 --> 01:34:50,220
Oh, right.

1106
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,520
Nothing is, I'm convinced on it.

1107
01:34:52,660 --> 01:34:59,620
But if you start and put money away for three years and then you take out a bond and

1108
01:34:59,620 --> 01:35:03,920
you make payments on a bond, that means you're not putting money away for another project.

1109
01:35:04,900 --> 01:35:11,080
So until that bond is paid off and then you go back to collecting money for three years

1110
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,620
to start and up, you're talking six years between projects.

1111
01:35:18,100 --> 01:35:23,100
I know what you're going to have a larger area of done, but then it's going to take you

1112
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:27,800
six years to get over to another area that needs to get done.

1113
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:29,440
It's going to take you six years anyway.

1114
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:38,660
I mean, assuming that they do, assuming we go into a regional plan, and assuming that the

1115
01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:43,420
next area would be to finish the section, well, it's going to take another three years.

1116
01:35:43,420 --> 01:35:45,120
of 60 years this would be done.

1117
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,380
And if we wanted 60 years it would be,

1118
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,440
I mean, it's, it's, it, you work,

1119
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:50,940
time wise it would work above our budget.

1120
01:35:50,980 --> 01:35:51,420
So I guess,

1121
01:35:53,860 --> 01:35:55,580
again, my response is

1122
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,980
sewer water is going to continue to put money away.

1123
01:35:59,900 --> 01:36:00,340
Okay.

1124
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:07,480
If you folks want to try to address this problem,

1125
01:36:08,340 --> 01:36:11,580
then you folks need to decide how you want to fund it.

1126
01:36:12,340 --> 01:36:14,720
I don't think, you know, asking us,

1127
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,220
Do you want to join you with a bond? Do you want to do this and that?

1128
01:36:17,620 --> 01:36:21,660
We're kind of putting the money away and we're trying to move forward.

1129
01:36:22,060 --> 01:36:23,760
If you folks want to fund it a different way,

1130
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,500
I think that's the decision that the selectmen need to make.

1131
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:28,900
Because you're the ones who are going to move forward.

1132
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:34,340
What's going to happen is you're going to have put a money away for three years to do a project

1133
01:36:34,340 --> 01:36:39,000
and we're going to be putting money into a bond, which means we can't help you with that project

1134
01:36:39,540 --> 01:36:40,820
until that bond's made off.

1135
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,120
So, you're going to just keep accumulating money.

1136
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:44,880
Well, it's fine.

1137
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:45,840
We're going to.

1138
01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:48,100
Well, I mean, it's okay.

1139
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:53,060
Let's assume that we decide to do what I suggested.

1140
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:53,840
Okay.

1141
01:36:54,380 --> 01:36:56,480
And we put money away for three years.

1142
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,880
You guys put money away for three years.

1143
01:36:59,460 --> 01:37:03,080
And you have enough to do our portion.

1144
01:37:03,340 --> 01:37:08,000
You have portion of this marital street and church street.

1145
01:37:08,580 --> 01:37:10,140
How would you find the rest of it?

1146
01:37:10,140 --> 01:37:11,880
You wouldn't you come in with the bond with us?

1147
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,660
Well, I guess we can't think about it, I don't know.

1148
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:17,120
No, we take the bond out.

1149
01:37:17,580 --> 01:37:18,860
You take that, we pay half.

1150
01:37:19,020 --> 01:37:21,200
No, but if we've already saved our money in the meantime,

1151
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:22,040
you don't need to.

1152
01:37:22,380 --> 01:37:23,920
But you're only going to say half.

1153
01:37:25,180 --> 01:37:27,980
What you're telling me is that in three years,

1154
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,860
you're going to say almost one and a half million dollars.

1155
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:34,880
OK, but if we go with the whole section,

1156
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,260
it's going to cost almost three million dollars.

1157
01:37:37,260 --> 01:37:37,620
Oh, I see.

1158
01:37:37,620 --> 01:37:40,360
We're not going to have the other one and a half million dollars.

1159
01:37:40,780 --> 01:37:44,960
So you're going to have to get money somewhere from that for that.

1160
01:37:45,300 --> 01:37:48,820
Just like we're going to have to get that one and a half million dollars somewhere for

1161
01:37:48,820 --> 01:37:49,260
that too.

1162
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:55,060
So I mean hypothetically, yeah, you've got a great idea, let's do it your way, okay.

1163
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:56,580
Does the rest of the board agree?

1164
01:37:57,700 --> 01:37:59,180
That's what I need to hear, yeah.

1165
01:38:00,140 --> 01:38:01,020
That's what I think.

1166
01:38:01,140 --> 01:38:03,860
How much burden are we putting on the test there?

1167
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:04,260
Yeah.

1168
01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:08,020
And in the same turn, how much burden are we looking on the users?

1169
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:16,960
And can they absorb, I mean, I don't know, you know, how much you can put away every year with your current fee structure?

1170
01:38:17,500 --> 01:38:23,940
And I know they've been going up, but, you know, the same thing, how much can we put away,

1171
01:38:23,940 --> 01:38:32,240
to hit the tax payer every year or for six years or a bond payment, you know, once you take

1172
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:36,620
a bond payment, you're kind of stuck, you're going to have to pay it back, you know.

1173
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:43,120
So the number of years at the bond, you wouldn't be putting money away, you'd be paying half

1174
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:43,600
the bond.

1175
01:38:45,610 --> 01:38:52,910
So everything stops. Nothing gets done until that bond gets paid off. I don't

1176
01:38:53,770 --> 01:38:54,750
I don't know.

1177
01:38:54,990 --> 01:39:02,610
We've highlighted the worst segments of the villageria that's the signal we're talking

1178
01:39:02,610 --> 01:39:02,850
about.

1179
01:39:02,850 --> 01:39:03,810
We've done parking when more.

1180
01:39:04,330 --> 01:39:07,010
Now we're talking about the remaining worst section.

1181
01:39:08,490 --> 01:39:12,370
So, you know, the fact that we wouldn't do another project for six years.

1182
01:39:12,810 --> 01:39:14,070
I'm just asking a question.

1183
01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:17,910
I don't know whether it's good or bad, but I just...

1184
01:39:18,990 --> 01:39:20,630
Right, I don't think I can answer your question.

1185
01:39:20,630 --> 01:39:22,550
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, it's a style.

1186
01:39:23,570 --> 01:39:26,390
Can I make a comment on how somebody is not involved?

1187
01:39:31,020 --> 01:39:34,300
One of the things that my concern is,

1188
01:39:34,300 --> 01:39:41,640
I don't have a concern, I feel that my concern is the money

1189
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:47,340
part, you know, as we sit here and talk about it,

1190
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:51,500
there's a whole nother budget that goes into the same day

1191
01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:58,180
I'm voting for this money and I think a bond is going to is very difficult to pass no

1192
01:39:58,180 --> 01:40:06,220
matter what the project you need to do a lot of outreach to the public. I think even

1193
01:40:06,220 --> 01:40:18,880
putting money away is going to be could be difficult as well. So your reserves are included

1194
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:28,340
in your budget work. So their money is going to come in because if the users don't pay

1195
01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:44,100
we pay off the means. So they don't have the same dilemma that we have. It's not being

1196
01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:47,140
critical, but just the structure of the funding.

1197
01:40:49,380 --> 01:40:55,170
I think that this question can't be answered

1198
01:40:55,170 --> 01:41:01,310
right now even by the board. You may want to do it one way, but I think you need to get

1199
01:41:01,310 --> 01:41:08,850
a feel from the public. And if that means right now, we have some public hearings on this because

1200
01:41:08,850 --> 01:41:13,170
you need to know which way they're going to, you get a feel of which way it's going to go

1201
01:41:13,170 --> 01:41:18,670
at a meeting whether it's setting up a capital reserve fund with substantial amounts

1202
01:41:18,670 --> 01:41:22,630
going in every year versus a bond.

1203
01:41:22,930 --> 01:41:30,320
I think in my opinion, from whatever it's worth, I think it would be easier to do a capital

1204
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:36,060
reserve fund because, again, you're earning the interest as they had mentioned versus paying

1205
01:41:36,060 --> 01:41:36,800
the interest.

1206
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:44,300
It doesn't accomplish what you're looking for, Rich, but I think it's an easier swallow for

1207
01:41:44,300 --> 01:41:48,200
the taxpayers to say, well, you know,

1208
01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:55,790
maybe we'll do it because this I think that's a hurdle

1209
01:41:55,790 --> 01:42:02,330
in itself because there are some taxpayers that feel it's I'm not on water and sewer, I

1210
01:42:02,330 --> 01:42:10,520
shouldn't have to help pay for this in my tax. I think it gets better, it's easier to spread

1211
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:16,260
across like that across and this is road work. So then you have to kind of push that

1212
01:42:17,420 --> 01:42:26,280
maybe it's getting increased in the road work budget versus, you know, because the town

1213
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:32,020
is the town taxpayers who are not on water, who are not paying for the water and sewer

1214
01:42:32,020 --> 01:42:34,380
infrastructure, or sewer infrastructure, to say.

1215
01:42:35,780 --> 01:42:40,020
It's the road work and the drainage where we're doing that road.

1216
01:42:40,740 --> 01:42:51,060
So I think that there's a way to explain it to the public to understand that these roadways

1217
01:42:51,060 --> 01:42:55,600
need to be done anyway, we're finding that with the sewer project.

1218
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:02,700
Now all the discussions are that we're going to, we're going to go in on the sewer project.

1219
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:06,740
But our portion is really the roads and drainage.

1220
01:43:07,980 --> 01:43:19,180
We just, it's just more financially feasible to do it to get efficient and without the storm

1221
01:43:19,180 --> 01:43:26,440
water, we cannot eliminate the infiltration without a place for people to put their water

1222
01:43:27,020 --> 01:43:30,660
unless you want to pump it in the street, which some people do and on the winter time you

1223
01:43:30,660 --> 01:43:32,380
You can see it's running down the street.

1224
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:33,320
There's all different problems.

1225
01:43:33,460 --> 01:43:33,600
Right.

1226
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:35,100
They're

1227
01:43:39,070 --> 01:43:46,370
almost saying that because this is road work,

1228
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:52,190
we could take that $1,500,000 that we have for road work

1229
01:43:52,190 --> 01:43:52,810
every year.

1230
01:43:53,110 --> 01:43:56,270
And we could designate these streets of the streets

1231
01:43:56,270 --> 01:44:01,640
that we're going to work on while we do this project,

1232
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:13,200
so that we wouldn't have to raise an extra $1.5 million we could take some of it

1233
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:14,680
out of our road.

1234
01:44:17,220 --> 01:44:27,080
Is that what I'm hearing? I think it's the same. Yes I think it would

1235
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:32,260
there would be value in sitting down with a road age and to start talking about this

1236
01:44:32,260 --> 01:44:34,460
but I think that it's one and the same.

1237
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:38,180
I don't think that going before a couple of things saying,

1238
01:44:38,380 --> 01:44:41,780
we want to take out a $3 million or $1.5 million bond

1239
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,440
to help out with sewer projects.

1240
01:44:45,820 --> 01:44:47,140
Because that's not what we're doing.

1241
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:50,340
We're combining hard roads by the sewer projects.

1242
01:44:51,380 --> 01:44:57,380
And because then if you presented that work,

1243
01:44:57,960 --> 01:44:59,660
for us to help in them.

1244
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:29,980
We have to do road projects anyway, and it just makes more sense to do it together while they're doing their sewer project. So whether or not it's, you know, if we raise $550,000 a year for the road project, maybe it's time to put that in a capital reserve fund each year in the year.

1245
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:35,980
sit down with the road agent and say, okay, we want to ear mark $300,000 for this project,

1246
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:39,760
you get the other $200,000.

1247
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:43,820
And it's tight, I don't know, but you want to sit down with the road agent first so

1248
01:45:43,820 --> 01:45:49,580
okay, give me your list as far as these are the worst, you know, and then

1249
01:45:49,580 --> 01:45:57,840
do it like that versus, I think it gets too complicated to talk about

1250
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:02,280
the bonds before as they're saying the engineering work and then if you spend

1251
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:06,380
money on the whole plan find out that you can't get a bond or you can't get

1252
01:46:06,380 --> 01:46:12,920
fine in from the public because their focus on the sewer aspect that when our

1253
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:19,420
portion is the road and stormwater which we would have to do anyway. I think it's

1254
01:46:19,420 --> 01:46:24,800
going to be a hard sell anyway to get $370,000 dollars the sack of

1255
01:46:25,460 --> 01:46:29,740
on top of everything else, I would agree, and I'm not

1256
01:46:29,740 --> 01:46:33,660
suggesting that we go for a bond next year or anything like that.

1257
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,800
I'm just suggesting a long term.

1258
01:46:36,300 --> 01:46:40,980
Again, just because I thought it may be in that sense.

1259
01:46:41,820 --> 01:46:42,960
But, okay.

1260
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:49,980
The other factor to look at is, as far as voters, no criticism

1261
01:46:49,980 --> 01:46:53,860
of the highway department, but I think when you do a project this way,

1262
01:46:53,860 --> 01:47:01,340
you're getting an engineered street with curbing and the sidewalk and I think

1263
01:47:01,340 --> 01:47:07,960
you're getting the infrastructure is a lot better in terms of the material

1264
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:13,740
underneath the road you know typically what they do is they're basically

1265
01:47:13,740 --> 01:47:20,240
resurfacing you know they grind it up and then pay over it so I think you're

1266
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:25,980
getting, you know, you're getting a better product for your money. I think we'll see

1267
01:47:25,980 --> 01:47:27,360
catch basins up in the lower end more.

1268
01:47:37,790 --> 01:47:45,310
It seems you, I think you all agree you have to do something. If you don't, the whole system

1269
01:47:45,310 --> 01:47:47,590
collapses and costs you a bucket more.

1270
01:47:49,890 --> 01:47:53,590
Rich has got a good idea that it's more efficient

1271
01:47:53,590 --> 01:48:00,290
to add and double the work. The bond, forget about the bond, you never pass a bond. And

1272
01:48:00,290 --> 01:48:06,130
it's not economical. The virus is right to pay all the interest. Your decision is pretty

1273
01:48:06,130 --> 01:48:13,170
simple. You want to go with the proposal they're making and ask the taxpayers for a $1.5

1274
01:48:13,170 --> 01:48:19,630
million over five years. Or do you want to ask them for $3 million over five years? Either

1275
01:48:19,630 --> 01:48:23,930
There is a tough bill to swallow, but look at the last 10 meetings.

1276
01:48:25,490 --> 01:48:29,590
Inconsistent people come in bitching about their taxes and then pass them a $1 million

1277
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:30,330
budget.

1278
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:32,950
Fire trucks, everything, not a comment.

1279
01:48:35,310 --> 01:48:42,610
If they heard this discussion tonight, they would pass $300,000 a year for five years to

1280
01:48:42,610 --> 01:48:48,610
do this because it makes common sense, and it saves taxpayers money in the long run.

1281
01:48:48,610 --> 01:48:49,530
Obviously,

1282
01:48:53,380 --> 01:48:59,300
the voter outreach is the key thing because they are getting not just a resurfaced

1283
01:48:59,300 --> 01:48:59,620
role.

1284
01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:05,260
You're getting a reconstructed engineered road, new sidewalks curbing, there's a public

1285
01:49:05,260 --> 01:49:14,380
benefit that could be expanded on and disassociated and post-sleeved from the water and sewer

1286
01:49:14,380 --> 01:49:14,760
work.

1287
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:15,600
This is incidental.

1288
01:49:15,820 --> 01:49:17,620
So we care about what we're trying to accomplish.

1289
01:49:17,620 --> 01:49:23,180
But it's incidental to the discussion that you need to have to get those funds authorized

1290
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:27,080
to be put aside in another capital to serve on.

1291
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:32,680
But in the other aspect that you don't want to overlook in terms of the sewer is that the

1292
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:40,480
sewers that we fix creates capacity and we were told that we need more capacity and we are

1293
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:43,920
not going to be building a new plan anytime soon.

1294
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:52,080
So the only way to generate capacity is to fix the system, and it's clear, you know, when we get rainfall, the flow's

1295
01:49:52,980 --> 01:49:55,180
Trouble, that's the treatment plan.

1296
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:01,140
You're creating capacity at the same time. Maybe not immediately.

1297
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:04,060
It's got to be fixed.

1298
01:50:12,270 --> 01:50:22,230
Yeah, worse and worse. And like I said before, this should have been done 50 years, but here we are. We're in the situation we're in

1299
01:50:23,230 --> 01:50:35,740
We committed to the We're More Project and made that commitment and at the time

1300
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:42,520
As the four we should have put money away for the next project. Yeah, and we had it done

1301
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:46,840
We had awful money

1302
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:51,800
Before that it really didn't hit the taxpayers hard

1303
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:53,300
That project

1304
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:55,700
but in this scenario

1305
01:50:56,860 --> 01:51:06,440
You're gonna say, you know, you want $350,000 from the first year to put in the capital reserve, you know, to be used three years down the road.

1306
01:51:07,180 --> 01:51:10,220
And that's, to me, that's going to hit the taxpayers pretty hard.

1307
01:51:11,140 --> 01:51:20,600
You know, and all that's going to happen, and as far as using the road work, you got a lot of roads in town that are in bad shape.

1308
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:27,980
And as long as I've been involved with the board, the highway department has been taking

1309
01:51:27,980 --> 01:51:34,280
the worst of the worst, doing what they can on a basis, you know, this road this year,

1310
01:51:34,420 --> 01:51:38,280
this road next year, and keeping up with it, and it's worked out pretty well.

1311
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:47,020
Not to say, you know, these, yes, you get a better road, but these roads are not a district

1312
01:51:47,020 --> 01:51:55,180
care. So as a tax payer or you know we're trying to put this out there we say why you fix

1313
01:51:55,180 --> 01:52:01,100
in this road there's nothing really wrong with it and my road is you know falling apart.

1314
01:52:01,620 --> 01:52:06,320
So that part of it I mean it's hard to convince him that yeah you're going to get a better

1315
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:14,100
road but those roads downtown are not hard. You're going on some of the other ones and they're

1316
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:18,480
rough shape and you know we hear you know all the time you know we're gonna do

1317
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:22,740
all of it you know beard road to start with you know it's gonna get done this

1318
01:52:22,740 --> 01:52:32,290
year you know so it's a you know long-term you know commitment but to try to

1319
01:52:32,290 --> 01:52:39,370
sell it and to get that money out of the taxpayers you know it's gonna be

1320
01:52:39,370 --> 01:52:44,210
the same thing we do is get the money out of your you're you know because you're

1321
01:52:44,210 --> 01:52:50,210
You're going to have to come up with that money also, so, you know, and, you know, it's

1322
01:52:50,210 --> 01:52:53,870
a user fee, but they still got to pay their taxes.

1323
01:52:54,570 --> 01:52:59,210
You know, I don't have to pay you, technically, I'm not on the system.

1324
01:52:59,610 --> 01:53:01,070
So I've got my taxes,

1325
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:07,480
you're on the system, you've got your taxes, plus you have your

1326
01:53:07,480 --> 01:53:08,160
users fee.

1327
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:11,980
So, you know, that's something I think you need to take into consideration.

1328
01:53:11,980 --> 01:53:21,400
Yeah, but if we took our road, the road article increased it so that they could still have

1329
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:27,840
the money to do repairs or in some of these roads and put away this for a pay.

1330
01:53:28,940 --> 01:53:38,480
I mean, they dug up my road, remember when 15, maybe 50, the thing is like, I mean, it doesn't

1331
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:43,820
do any good if you don't get those big rocks or anything else I mean I've got a big crack behind

1332
01:53:43,820 --> 01:53:51,460
my water runs down the street and goes in the crack. Where's it going? It's it's washing out the

1333
01:53:51,460 --> 01:53:57,900
road at the other end so if you could put in more money because if you put it in a capital reserve

1334
01:53:57,900 --> 01:54:03,920
when the highway department be able to use some of that for that specific for that year. Yeah I mean

1335
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:06,320
and as long as it's for that purpose.

1336
01:54:06,620 --> 01:54:09,240
Right, but rather than having two articles,

1337
01:54:09,460 --> 01:54:10,240
it's what I'm asking.

1338
01:54:12,300 --> 01:54:13,420
Yes, you could.

1339
01:54:13,580 --> 01:54:14,640
Well, you'd have to start,

1340
01:54:14,860 --> 01:54:17,420
right, and put it into a capsule reserve plan.

1341
01:54:17,740 --> 01:54:17,920
Right.

1342
01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:23,760
I mean, instead of having an article that says $250,000

1343
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:26,140
to fix Jones Road this year,

1344
01:54:26,540 --> 01:54:29,540
and $300,000 to put in for Mertle Street,

1345
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:31,200
you could combine them into one

1346
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,460
and put it all in the capital reserve,

1347
01:54:33,460 --> 01:54:36,200
but then let them out there, 250, right?

1348
01:54:36,660 --> 01:54:36,780
Okay.

1349
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:41,020
Well, all right, this is saying you got $500,000 for

1350
01:54:41,020 --> 01:54:41,640
road repair.

1351
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:42,100
Right.

1352
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:45,640
$250,000 is going to go in and

1353
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:48,800
can't put it reserved for the project.

1354
01:54:49,020 --> 01:54:50,740
So when you keep up with your road repair,

1355
01:54:51,100 --> 01:54:53,540
because that's going to, you know,

1356
01:54:53,660 --> 01:54:55,200
whatever, I don't know what it is,

1357
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:58,420
or is it $400,000 or $450,000 that you asked for

1358
01:54:58,420 --> 01:55:00,260
this year for road repair, it's not

1359
01:55:00,260 --> 01:55:01,820
cost just going to keep going up.

1360
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:08,980
So, you know, not only we're already put 500,000 for the road repair, we're going to have to put

1361
01:55:12,180 --> 01:55:18,160
800,000 to put money away in the capital service, just a matter of how you're feeling.

1362
01:55:18,540 --> 01:55:19,980
We're just waiting for it to start.

1363
01:55:22,100 --> 01:55:25,900
I was just trying to figure out if we could do it all in one article rather than just

1364
01:55:25,900 --> 01:55:30,320
But why don't you just have one capital reserve fund?

1365
01:55:30,740 --> 01:55:31,820
For example, the road work, right.

1366
01:55:32,060 --> 01:55:33,940
But Jim was just saying half-and-half.

1367
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:35,540
But half-and-half capital reserve fund.

1368
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:40,440
I think that, if you've got, I mean, we should have a...

1369
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:41,860
And the private department probably

1370
01:55:41,860 --> 01:55:44,420
has a list of the roads, the women,

1371
01:55:44,700 --> 01:55:46,100
and the people who are going to be down.

1372
01:55:47,780 --> 01:55:51,020
And we should have that, because then it makes it easier

1373
01:55:51,020 --> 01:55:54,880
to talk about these projects, say, OK, you're.

1374
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:56,480
right now it's day spot.

1375
01:55:56,660 --> 01:55:58,100
Is that making it this much?

1376
01:55:58,500 --> 01:56:00,880
You know, it's going to need to be done.

1377
01:56:06,210 --> 01:56:09,230
So this year, I think we've reported that,

1378
01:56:09,390 --> 01:56:10,750
I think we've reported that.

1379
01:56:10,770 --> 01:56:12,250
I thought we have reported it.

1380
01:56:12,670 --> 01:56:13,590
Yeah, we have reported that.

1381
01:56:13,970 --> 01:56:14,490
No, we have reported that.

1382
01:56:14,490 --> 01:56:15,110
We have reported that.

1383
01:56:15,130 --> 01:56:17,170
No, no, we're reported that.

1384
01:56:17,410 --> 01:56:17,870
We've reported it.

1385
01:56:18,770 --> 01:56:19,390
No, we've reported it.

1386
01:56:19,390 --> 01:56:22,370
We brought it up to 600.

1387
01:56:24,330 --> 01:56:26,730
And this is part of that explanation.

1388
01:56:26,970 --> 01:56:28,810
But now we want to have it kept reserved by

1389
01:56:28,810 --> 01:56:37,210
Well, we do a close two year period because we've done all that number one year right now.

1390
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:42,950
So meanwhile, it's sitting there, it could be earning interest.

1391
01:56:44,030 --> 01:56:51,310
So all that interest adds to what we aren't going to need to have the tax pay for.

1392
01:56:51,310 --> 01:56:59,830
but the only use is 4.25 instead of 4.50 then we get 25.

1393
01:57:00,150 --> 01:57:01,230
But didn't leave it in there.

1394
01:57:01,370 --> 01:57:05,070
But that's up to the board to sit down with the road data and say,

1395
01:57:05,290 --> 01:57:09,970
we are going to allow you to spend this much this year because these projects.

1396
01:57:10,590 --> 01:57:15,530
And however, you know, I don't think it should be well,

1397
01:57:16,570 --> 01:57:23,150
No, I just meant for the article this year, it's 4.50, but what happens if this cost

1398
01:57:23,150 --> 01:57:29,390
actually come in at only 4.25, then there's 25 that would be remaining in, that would

1399
01:57:29,390 --> 01:57:30,950
stay in the capital, right?

1400
01:57:32,050 --> 01:57:32,270
Right.

1401
01:57:32,270 --> 01:57:32,650
But, yeah.

1402
01:57:33,130 --> 01:57:33,690
Right, right.

1403
01:57:34,350 --> 01:57:36,310
Capital, I don't think there's going to be any left over here.

1404
01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:43,730
No, I, the way prices are going now, and I'm hoping it stays, they can do what they want

1405
01:57:43,730 --> 01:57:54,390
to do with the 450,000. If the increase is in material, now, you know, changes, you know,

1406
01:57:54,490 --> 01:58:01,650
bad plan to do, that's a matter of miles. And if the price is increased, well, we can't

1407
01:58:01,650 --> 01:58:08,370
do that far. We have to scale back. And this is the news that, you know. But if you want

1408
01:58:08,370 --> 01:58:14,170
I ask, if you start with 450 and say, okay, we're going to ask for 600, that's a third

1409
01:58:14,170 --> 01:58:16,150
of the additional money that you need.

1410
01:58:16,490 --> 01:58:16,610
Right.

1411
01:58:17,010 --> 01:58:17,790
It's not enough.

1412
01:58:18,510 --> 01:58:18,650
Right.

1413
01:58:18,810 --> 01:58:23,830
You're going to have to make a pretty good size ask each year in order to accomplish this

1414
01:58:23,830 --> 01:58:28,690
just based on what we've looked at for the middle street price.

1415
01:58:28,750 --> 01:58:36,290
But my thought was, if they have to, to 600 let's say, and say, okay, but how's that 600

1416
01:58:36,290 --> 01:58:41,170
It doesn't necessarily mean 450 will go for the rights and then just the remainder.

1417
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:49,950
You know, that's a determination that the world will have to make, but it's, you know,

1418
01:58:50,090 --> 01:58:57,510
because if not, then you play with, you can only have it last for two years and work.

1419
01:58:57,630 --> 01:59:01,090
It's got to be putting something that can only be lowered to cheer.

1420
01:59:03,890 --> 01:59:11,670
Because you can reallocate it because if you don't use it within those two years, it goes into the general fund.

1421
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:13,710
They can reallocate it out of the general fund.

1422
01:59:18,100 --> 01:59:29,840
So the bottom line is for our next budget, it should be about 20, 20, 20, 26 budget.

1423
01:59:34,220 --> 01:59:40,900
We would have to come up with, we'd like us to come up with plenty for $1.25 for the

1424
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:50,840
engineering and $3.70, we've just got the scrolling money away for the project, is that correct?

1425
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:54,460
Well, there would be a start because the equations are anymore hit us.

1426
01:59:55,100 --> 01:59:57,340
Not that would, that's those are the two numbers we should.

1427
01:59:57,340 --> 01:59:58,960
Well, last December it was.

1428
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:28,700
Last December. Well, I think they want you to come up with it. They're saying, okay, this is what the town's portion would be. Right. Right. Right. So it's up to us to figure out how to get that. How to get there by that time. Yeah. Right. But I think you want to do the engineering sooner rather than lay out. You need to. So that would mean at least that money would have to be in on that budget. Yeah.

1429
02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:35,100
And if we're smart, we'd probably be putting some money away for this project.

1430
02:00:35,340 --> 02:00:35,820
Well, yeah.

1431
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:44,780
And they get the engineering done so you can, when grants come up, you have that to apply the grant.

1432
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:48,380
That's what I did get that from tonight.

1433
02:00:48,580 --> 02:00:51,520
When we got this housing champion, you guys weren't here.

1434
02:00:52,980 --> 02:00:56,160
They said there's money right now.

1435
02:00:56,160 --> 02:01:01,440
this year the state didn't have any more money to put towards the house but he

1436
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:05,500
talked about infrastructure money and everything else and it all comes out

1437
02:01:05,500 --> 02:01:11,620
what is available to get grants for and if you don't have the engineering and

1438
02:01:11,620 --> 02:01:17,500
the plan it's gonna be hard to apply for grants. I mean I think it's a small

1439
02:01:17,500 --> 02:01:23,580
portion but it was a light at the end of the tunnel there's gonna be grant

1440
02:01:23,580 --> 02:01:30,340
money out there and being designated as a housing champion, it gives us a

1441
02:01:30,340 --> 02:01:36,320
put up on other communities that aren't that way. So it seems to make positive

1442
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:43,560
effects for us. You know, it's being, you know, I mean, I knew this was happening.

1443
02:01:43,740 --> 02:01:48,800
I mean, I played the board. I knew it. I just hated for Robin to run out so quick

1444
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:55,600
because she did most of the work in obtaining this thing.

1445
02:01:55,760 --> 02:02:04,040
The planning board's done a heck of a job going forward with all this housing and changing

1446
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:04,920
the regulations.

1447
02:02:05,420 --> 02:02:10,980
And looking at it all made a concerted effort to do all this, and what I learned tonight

1448
02:02:10,980 --> 02:02:19,100
like that. It gives us, it gives us more than a feather or a dot. It's, it's, uh, you,

1449
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:23,420
you've got a little bit of push on the list when you start asking for my grants and stuff

1450
02:02:23,420 --> 02:02:28,920
down the road, but you need that engineering. You definitely have to have that to, to apply

1451
02:02:28,920 --> 02:02:30,660
for the grants, you know.

1452
02:02:32,840 --> 02:02:40,100
You have more grants on their site than our site. No, I'm not

1453
02:02:40,100 --> 02:02:44,660
in time, obtained the grants because of the competition.

1454
02:02:45,620 --> 02:02:51,320
You know, we've always seen the end of the bond, all the state money, for water that

1455
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:53,580
comes to Hillsboro, has been going down a little late,

1456
02:02:55,830 --> 02:02:57,650
is there more problems than we do.

1457
02:02:58,910 --> 02:03:00,550
We have two other aspects to talk about.

1458
02:03:00,550 --> 02:03:11,610
Yes. The first one is the associated electric property. So the building is

1459
02:03:11,610 --> 02:03:11,950
down.

1460
02:03:14,410 --> 02:03:21,590
What we typically require when someone takes the building down is that

1461
02:03:21,590 --> 02:03:30,610
they sever the sewer connection and cap it so that we don't have any water

1462
02:03:30,610 --> 02:03:35,490
are coming from somewhere else, whether they were floor drains in that building or whatever.

1463
02:03:37,650 --> 02:03:45,710
So what needs to happen is ideally, I guess, the town has a backhoe. We could schedule

1464
02:03:45,710 --> 02:03:51,490
a time when our personnel could meet your personnel, show them where to dig. They dig down.

1465
02:03:52,390 --> 02:03:59,410
We cut the pipe and cap it and take measurements to it. And then it's disconnected. And that

1466
02:03:59,410 --> 02:04:03,410
way when someone wants to do something with that property we would be able to show them

1467
02:04:03,410 --> 02:04:06,390
okay this is where you need to start digging to get tied back in.

1468
02:04:08,500 --> 02:04:12,480
Now if the town is the one that does something with that property are we going to have to

1469
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:15,320
pay to have that reconnected?

1470
02:04:16,620 --> 02:04:23,280
Well you're going to you're going to chances are if you do something with that property it's

1471
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:26,720
not going to be I don't know where the building is going to be in the same spot as that building

1472
02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:33,760
No, it wouldn't but so you'd probably be replacing a lot but you're not hooking into the main yeah, okay

1473
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:41,160
So it's dug on your property, right? So you're gonna have to dig to that anyway. So no, would you pay a fee? No?

1474
02:04:41,320 --> 02:04:48,320
The connection would still be there. I don't know. I just wanted that in a minute

1475
02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:55,720
I don't know if the connection would be sufficient for whatever your project needs are that's outside

1476
02:04:58,080 --> 02:04:58,440
right?

1477
02:05:01,030 --> 02:05:05,870
What do you mean that I am on the pipe? Yeah, they might need, they might need fire

1478
02:05:05,870 --> 02:05:10,170
protection, might need all kinds of things, you know, beyond what the existing connection

1479
02:05:10,170 --> 02:05:11,130
could do.

1480
02:05:13,230 --> 02:05:18,730
No, it wouldn't be a fee. Well, there would be a fee to have an increase, right?

1481
02:05:19,610 --> 02:05:24,930
No, that's your cost. Right. But then there wouldn't be a fee on top of that. I would think

1482
02:05:24,930 --> 02:05:29,070
so because we already have a connection there, right? Right. So, but that's so as far as

1483
02:05:29,070 --> 02:05:32,350
like they've caused to increase the capacity of anything.

1484
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:34,680
I just,

1485
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:43,200
even if I'm not here with the building,

1486
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:43,740
go with that.

1487
02:05:45,100 --> 02:05:48,400
Remember in fact, in 2026, what that question was asked?

1488
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:53,060
We just have no idea how much piping is in the ground,

1489
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:56,620
and how much we want it could be coming through that piping.

1490
02:05:56,980 --> 02:05:59,500
You might need to do so-and-so system.

1491
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:02,880
You just want to be accommodated so that whatever's there

1492
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:05,060
is not an issue for our system.

1493
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:09,340
problem. Right. Right. You might actually have a bigger problem trying to deal with the

1494
02:06:09,340 --> 02:06:10,780
stormwater. Yeah.

1495
02:06:13,230 --> 02:06:15,910
I already deal with that whole stormwater thing on the other side of

1496
02:06:15,910 --> 02:06:21,210
the road with that sack. Well, see, there's not too many culverts across and underneath that

1497
02:06:21,210 --> 02:06:26,570
portion of Westminster really. There is one right from the property. Yeah, right, right

1498
02:06:26,570 --> 02:06:30,710
by the cemetery. There's a catch-based name there and it goes across. The D&K is going to

1499
02:06:30,710 --> 02:06:32,550
I think it's curb water down into it.

1500
02:06:35,330 --> 02:06:36,910
So that's one thing.

1501
02:06:38,830 --> 02:06:40,490
You want to talk about the office?

1502
02:06:47,260 --> 02:06:48,280
Second party office?

1503
02:06:48,460 --> 02:06:49,280
Yeah, our office.

1504
02:06:50,080 --> 02:06:51,520
Yeah, we have an office now apparently.

1505
02:06:52,900 --> 02:06:53,240
Yay!

1506
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:56,320
Finally, I'm going to put that panic again.

1507
02:06:56,420 --> 02:06:57,140
I'll move back in.

1508
02:06:58,020 --> 02:07:00,200
And so there was two concerns.

1509
02:07:00,860 --> 02:07:04,500
The principal being securing that side door

1510
02:07:04,500 --> 02:07:12,360
so that we don't have an event such as the one that precipitated the damage that was incurred

1511
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:18,580
where the door being left, not quite secured or partially a jar or whatever.

1512
02:07:19,140 --> 02:07:25,480
And we want to make sure there is an entrance through the front door to the second floor.

1513
02:07:25,820 --> 02:07:30,860
So it's not that we want to exclude access but we want to make sure that

1514
02:07:30,860 --> 02:07:36,300
And that side door can be primarily secured.

1515
02:07:36,740 --> 02:07:40,960
And the other related to that is the condition of that fire escape.

1516
02:07:41,660 --> 02:07:47,940
I think that's a huge liability, potential liability, and that it should be blocked.

1517
02:07:48,700 --> 02:07:49,700
It's not being used.

1518
02:07:49,960 --> 02:07:58,620
It's not there's no habitable space on the second floor that would require that second entrance.

1519
02:07:58,620 --> 02:07:59,400
I don't believe.

1520
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:04,620
Um, they have access to the second floor from the front to what?

1521
02:08:05,140 --> 02:08:06,860
Yeah, right up the right.

1522
02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:07,380
Right up the right.

1523
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:08,180
Yeah, right.

1524
02:08:09,460 --> 02:08:13,780
Yeah, I'm telling you, I realize, yeah, that's how she was going.

1525
02:08:14,420 --> 02:08:17,820
That's a hazard that, I mean, it's just a living problem.

1526
02:08:18,280 --> 02:08:19,260
It seems to me it should be.

1527
02:08:20,180 --> 02:08:24,540
At least, you know, minimal people parked with a chain, the sign says,

1528
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:26,460
you know, stay away or something.

1529
02:08:26,460 --> 02:08:32,920
So there's a tiny breath in the first floor, a tiny breath, a third back,

1530
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:36,240
eagerness, yeah.

1531
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:37,860
It's a bulk hit in the back.

1532
02:08:38,660 --> 02:08:40,620
The down in the right direction.

1533
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:41,260
It wouldn't even eat that.

1534
02:08:41,820 --> 02:08:44,220
It wouldn't even eat that.

1535
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:48,380
Because, like you said, it's not being moved.

1536
02:08:48,700 --> 02:08:51,040
Well, we just want to make sure it doesn't happen again.

1537
02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:52,600
Yeah, I agree.

1538
02:08:54,020 --> 02:08:55,900
Yeah, and being down there.

1539
02:08:56,580 --> 02:09:03,500
When I sort of throw this idea out of draining the heating system, just, why does it need

1540
02:09:03,500 --> 02:09:04,240
to even be heated?

1541
02:09:04,420 --> 02:09:05,520
Why are you paying for heating?

1542
02:09:06,020 --> 02:09:12,880
And being down in the basement, I noticed that there were, I think, four, either four

1543
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:18,040
or five circulated pumps, which means there's four or five zones, which means that that could

1544
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:25,020
be isolated, drained and, you know, you're not paying town as a pay unnecessarily to

1545
02:09:25,020 --> 02:09:31,180
eat it and a building that, you know, knows what condition and the insulation might be

1546
02:09:31,180 --> 02:09:31,660
preventing.

1547
02:09:33,500 --> 02:09:42,220
But that's sorry very, the safety as element of security in the door and I think I recommend

1548
02:09:42,220 --> 02:09:47,920
or I can, that the fire escape access, probably makes you good deal with that.

1549
02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:54,620
It was, it's a metal fire escape, and the folks were in concrete, but I think one of the

1550
02:09:54,620 --> 02:10:00,260
corner, you can just, you know, it's not a test, it's in the air, it's in the air, it's in the air.

1551
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:03,240
Well, I think if you put weight on it, I get, I mean, if it's in the air.

1552
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:06,420
As you fall down through the floor.

1553
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:06,840
Yeah.

1554
02:10:06,840 --> 02:10:09,980
Yeah, it's more secure in that door.

1555
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:17,320
So, they can use the front door and get to the upstairs.

1556
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:18,920
Yeah.

1557
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:20,620
When I'm making it, it's an accessor.

1558
02:10:20,640 --> 02:10:21,260
Have us get in.

1559
02:10:23,880 --> 02:10:24,420
No, we did.

1560
02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:25,240
This is a bit.

1561
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:25,960
What do you think?

1562
02:10:32,260 --> 02:10:34,140
Just assume it not be.

1563
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:36,800
Especially if we're going to take it out there in a fire state.

1564
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:42,240
Or I'll find out how much they've used in it.

1565
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:44,960
I mean, the friend of the fire state could be repaired.

1566
02:10:45,320 --> 02:10:46,040
Well, it could be.

1567
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:47,820
That's the message of this thing.

1568
02:10:47,900 --> 02:10:48,060
Good, right?

1569
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:51,280
But if we're not happening, I would guess the footing,

1570
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:52,860
that it's just a footing.

1571
02:10:53,140 --> 02:10:55,620
Yeah, but the structure itself is there.

1572
02:10:55,780 --> 02:10:58,500
But without being supported on something,

1573
02:10:59,020 --> 02:11:03,560
or, you know, part of the fire chiefs in the recess,

1574
02:11:05,060 --> 02:11:06,460
could it put on me and why you have it?

1575
02:11:06,700 --> 02:11:09,980
Yeah, because I think it was up there because they were using,

1576
02:11:10,340 --> 02:11:10,960
you know.

1577
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:11,420
Oh, yeah, no.

1578
02:11:11,820 --> 02:11:12,560
It's an assessment.

1579
02:11:12,820 --> 02:11:15,600
It was occupied by the kids who are up there and right.

1580
02:11:16,460 --> 02:11:19,400
Well, I think it was there long-forth town to build it.

1581
02:11:19,420 --> 02:11:19,820
Yeah.

1582
02:11:21,640 --> 02:11:24,940
And it's salvageable, but that means spending some time

1583
02:11:24,940 --> 02:11:26,380
to mount it to an excavator.

1584
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:28,540
And I'll put it out here 40 under that leg.

1585
02:11:28,780 --> 02:11:29,440
Oh, thanks a lot.

1586
02:11:29,980 --> 02:11:31,840
How did the concrete erode so quickly?

1587
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:36,620
I mean, it's better while, but I don't think it was there when we took over the building.

1588
02:11:39,190 --> 02:11:40,510
Oh, we took over the building?

1589
02:11:40,710 --> 02:11:41,710
Yeah, was it there?

1590
02:11:41,950 --> 02:11:42,910
Oh, I think it's been there.

1591
02:11:43,050 --> 02:11:44,710
Yeah, it was there for years.

1592
02:11:47,670 --> 02:11:54,570
Yeah, but I think Project Lift was in that building at the one time when it first started.

1593
02:11:54,570 --> 02:11:56,210
I think Project Lift was over there.

1594
02:11:57,430 --> 02:11:59,590
Yeah, but anyway, I'm not sure.

1595
02:12:00,710 --> 02:12:05,890
We kind of, we can't say that now that we use it for an office as a commercial building,

1596
02:12:06,330 --> 02:12:12,930
and I'm not sure I have to check with Mike that you should have a second egress out of the commercial building.

1597
02:12:12,930 --> 02:12:15,250
Well, we're not using the second floor.

1598
02:12:15,470 --> 02:12:16,790
No, not the second floor.

1599
02:12:17,090 --> 02:12:18,030
Even the first floor.

1600
02:12:18,070 --> 02:12:19,390
Well, we are, we are, we are.

1601
02:12:19,790 --> 02:12:20,350
There's two of you.

1602
02:12:20,490 --> 02:12:21,450
You want to secure that.

1603
02:12:22,250 --> 02:12:23,050
No, no, no, no.

1604
02:12:23,090 --> 02:12:24,290
You have the one on the side.

1605
02:12:24,590 --> 02:12:25,890
Right, no, we want to secure it.

1606
02:12:26,050 --> 02:12:26,170
And the first one.

1607
02:12:27,030 --> 02:12:27,690
There's a ball.

1608
02:12:27,790 --> 02:12:31,170
Oh, that's the one that opened and it froze.

1609
02:12:31,630 --> 02:12:33,150
And that's why the office got flooded.

1610
02:12:33,170 --> 02:12:34,190
Oh, that one up there.

1611
02:12:34,450 --> 02:12:36,250
That's why they were using it to access

1612
02:12:36,250 --> 02:12:37,690
the store stuff up there.

1613
02:12:38,090 --> 02:12:39,530
Oh, somehow it didn't happen.

1614
02:12:44,810 --> 02:12:59,410
Now we're not eliminating ground floor access, it's just that access to the fire escape, and now we don't want to eliminate, we just want to, you know, shut.

1615
02:12:59,410 --> 02:13:03,650
It's not a good shot, you know, whatever, something so it's a good one.

1616
02:13:03,870 --> 02:13:07,870
Yeah, well, from the inside, no access available outside.

1617
02:13:09,310 --> 02:13:10,990
And if you did that, you don't need the stairs.

1618
02:13:12,550 --> 02:13:14,850
Yeah, I mean, I'm just securing the door.

1619
02:13:14,850 --> 02:13:15,350
That's optional.

1620
02:13:15,570 --> 02:13:20,970
If you want to spend a little bit to put another post, you know, the concrete post under there

1621
02:13:20,970 --> 02:13:21,870
is an excavation.

1622
02:13:23,210 --> 02:13:27,030
There's nothing wrong with this up fire, it's the gate, except it's not attached to the

1623
02:13:28,570 --> 02:13:32,190
I mean, we're very happy, very

1624
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:35,980
grateful to have a place to offer.

1625
02:13:41,780 --> 02:13:43,140
So I guess that's it.

1626
02:13:43,160 --> 02:13:44,380
I think we're from a referendum.

1627
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:49,440
So, should we go ahead and coordinate with Ernie?

1628
02:13:50,760 --> 02:13:51,200
Yes.

1629
02:13:51,740 --> 02:13:52,620
That would be great.

1630
02:13:53,060 --> 02:13:55,560
As far as disconnecting the sewer to the associated electric.

1631
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:56,380
Yes, definitely.

1632
02:13:56,760 --> 02:13:57,420
All right.

1633
02:13:57,620 --> 02:13:58,220
It makes sense.

1634
02:13:59,300 --> 02:14:00,880
I mean, we can hire somebody.

1635
02:14:04,120 --> 02:14:05,560
We're always going to save money.

1636
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:10,000
But when they tore down the bill, I guess they kept the end of it somehow.

1637
02:14:10,940 --> 02:14:12,720
They didn't do anything there at all over the place.

1638
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:16,240
And let's want to raise it. Who knows what's in the ground.

1639
02:14:16,740 --> 02:14:18,640
We just want to make sure this is still open.

1640
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:19,700
We don't know.

1641
02:14:22,280 --> 02:14:23,740
The foundation is still there.

1642
02:14:25,660 --> 02:14:28,460
We're trying to work on getting that.

1643
02:14:28,460 --> 02:14:36,260
Yeah, so we have a brownfields for your application, but that doesn't mean that the

1644
02:14:36,260 --> 02:14:41,200
pipes that went to those drains, they cleared it off and they smoothed it out, and I've

1645
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:42,380
been doing anything for the pipes.

1646
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:42,640
Right.

1647
02:14:42,860 --> 02:14:48,700
Well, you're saying we've cut it off here, all this, whatever was there, because you don't

1648
02:14:48,700 --> 02:14:49,360
have to worry about it.

1649
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:49,720
That's right.

1650
02:14:50,020 --> 02:14:51,100
It's all going to go away.

1651
02:14:51,180 --> 02:14:52,220
Yeah, it's sort of building there.

1652
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:52,820
So, yeah.

1653
02:14:53,380 --> 02:14:54,460
Nothing to do with it.

1654
02:14:54,460 --> 02:14:55,360
That's all right, we're on parking lot.

1655
02:14:55,780 --> 02:14:58,260
And you cut it away right before it gets to the street?

1656
02:14:58,840 --> 02:14:59,420
That's the right way.

1657
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
Yeah, beyond, you know, inside your property. So you have to dig it up and cut the pipe and put a calf in there, is that what you do? Yeah. It's not a complicated thing. It's easy, easy. It's just when we need permission to do it. Number one, we'd like to have a good time to assist. What about water? Is that shut off too? What is that a problem? I don't believe it's shut off. Typically, you know, you have a shut off at the edge of the road or somewhere between the main and the building. And I'm pretty sure

1658
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:36,640
that's shut off because they needed water to do the demolition and hook up to a hydrant.

1659
02:15:37,180 --> 02:15:43,280
Nearby's the water will shut off now because you guys will shut off the water yeah well they

1660
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:47,100
couldn't access the water in the building while they took it down you know right yeah

1661
02:15:47,100 --> 02:15:48,980
yeah outside source

1662
02:15:53,240 --> 02:15:59,460
assumption is yes we showed it off prior to all the demolition all

1663
02:16:04,350 --> 02:16:04,570
right

1664
02:16:04,570 --> 02:16:07,650
next time. Thank you.

1665
02:16:14,970 --> 02:16:15,750
Thank you.

1666
02:16:15,750 --> 02:16:16,770
Thank you.

1667
02:16:17,290 --> 02:16:18,070
What are you going to do?

1668
02:16:27,080 --> 02:16:28,000
I'm going to go ahead.

1669
02:16:31,610 --> 02:16:32,190
You can do it.

1670
02:16:33,870 --> 02:16:34,950
I can

1671
02:16:37,540 --> 02:16:38,900
make a motion to adjourn.

1672
02:16:38,900 --> 02:16:40,640
I can do all in favour.

1673
02:16:41,100 --> 02:16:41,520
All right.

1674
02:16:41,820 --> 02:16:42,920
As adjourned at 817.

1675
02:16:48,780 --> 02:16:49,080
Yes.

1676
02:16:49,500 --> 02:16:49,860
Yeah.

1677
02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:50,440
Thank you.