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meeting for Wednesday, September 9th,
2026.

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» Roll call, please. Bethany.
>> All right. Commissioner Harlo,

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» here.
>> Commissioner Curry,

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» here.
>> Commissioner Kenberger, [clears throat]

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» here.
>> Commissioner Jablonsky is absent.

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Commissioner Cernovich
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» Commissioner Willoughby
>> here.

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» Commissioner Fusone
>> here.

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» Commissioner Moore
>> here.

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» Chairman Cashman
>> here. Next order of business are public

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comments for non-aggenda items. Is there
anyone here to speak on a non-aggenda

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item?
Seeing none, we'll move on. Next, our

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approval of minutes. We have the minutes
from August 6, 2026 special meeting. Do

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the commissioners have any requested
revisions, reitions to the minutes?

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» None.
>> Hearing none. Can I have a motion to

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approve the minutes as submitted?
>> Krillinburgger. So motions.

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» Curry. Second.
>> Roll call vote, please. Bethany.

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» Commissioner Harlo.
>> I. Commissioner Curry. Hi,

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» Commissioner Krillinberger.
>> Hi,

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» Commissioner [clears throat] Cernovich.
>> Hi,

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» Commissioner Willoughby.
>> Abstain,

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» Commissioner Fusone.
>> Hi,

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» Commissioner Moore.
>> Hi,

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» Chairman Cashman.
>> Hi.

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» Uh, next we have a public hearing. Um
case A-27-2026

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the preserves of Hensdale for South 010
Madison Street a map amendment exterior

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parents and site view and tenative and
final plat of subdivision to allow for

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development of 19 code compliant lots
single [clears throat] family detached

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homes and an outlot for stormwater
detention and one lot for future

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development located in the R2 district
as well as a private park with public

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access located in the OS district. And I
have a motion to open the public

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hearing.
>> So moved. Willoughby.

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» Second. Cernovich.
>> Roll call, please. Becky.

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» Commissioner Harlo.
>> Hi.

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» Commissioner Curry.
>> Hi.

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» Commissioner Kenberger.
>> Hi.

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» Commissioner Cernovich.
>> Hi.

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» Commissioner Willoughby.
>> Hi.

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» Commissioner Fone.
>> Hi.

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» Commissioner Moore.
>> Hi.

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» Chairman Cashman.
>> Hi.

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» Is there um someone here from the
applicant to make a presentation?

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[clears throat]
>> How we doing? Good evening.

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» Welcome.
>> My name is Walker Kikas on behalf of the

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applicant. Um, first want to say thank
you so much for having us tonight. Thank

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you so much for Bethany, Tim Ryan, and
the whole team for putting this

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together. You all been fantastic.
Appreciate it.

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» And before we move on, can I ask um for
everyone who wishes to speak tonight to

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be sworn in by our court reporter?

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» If you if you intend to speak, please um
raise your right hand.

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» Audience,
everything you're about to say tonight,

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the whole truth.
I do. I do.

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» Great. Thank you.
>> Okay.

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» All right. Thank you. So, we'll do a
brief overview here and then open up for

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any questions. Um, the project scope of
this, as you mentioned, is 19 code

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compliant single family homes. Um, so it
is zoned R2 currently right now and

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we're not requesting any variances, so
it will stay R2. Um, and then also on

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top of that, there's three phases really
or three components. First is the north

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seven lots and then you have the south
12 lots and then you have the uh just

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over 15 acres of which is going to be
open space um which will be the open

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space district OS.

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So to zoom in on on both sides of these
on the north side here this these are

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the seven lots here. Uh they're roughly
well they are 100 by 400. So they are

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rather large lots. And then something to
point out is the five- foot gravel path

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uh on the north side there. It is
highlighted in yellow in the photo there

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on top. Um that will connect both
Madison Street to Adam Street.

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So that will be a nice kind of thorough
fair basically connecting instead of a

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sidewalk going all the way around to
Ogden, they'll be able to connect

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straight through there.
Now to the southside there is 12 lots.

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Uh they range from over 20,000 square
feet to over 34,000 square ft. Um there

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was a question about the culdesac there.
So the culdesac is in fact a culde-sac.

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It is not a street. It is not going to
Bonnie Bray. It is staying on our

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property and you'll have access on Adam
Street. So, if you're taking a right on

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Ogden, get on to Adams and then you take
a another right into the culde-sac and

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it'll be a roundabout and then come back
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Uh, another thing to mention here is the
new head wall extension connecting the

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sidewalks. I know that was a a important
point and we wanted to address that as

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well. So, uh, we met with engineering
and they said if you put in a head wall

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there that we'll be able to connect the
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well. So essentially, you go from all
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gravel path all the way down south Adam
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head wall, which would be a sidewalk and
into that area as well. So since you

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were we're creating a loop all the way
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That's kind of the brief presentation
there. Uh please let us know if you have

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any questions. Thank you all so much.
>> Great. Thank you, Laurel. Questions?

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» After [clears throat] the commissioner
talk, then we'll open it up for input

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from the community.
Um I I do have a number of questions,

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but just
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saying about the head wall.
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» So does that mean that the entire
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sidewalk around it?
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» So all along Adams, all along Ogden.
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engineer can speak to that, but
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sidewalk along Adams there or along
Ogden. So there is a sidewalk that

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connects from the culdesac street if
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now the waterway goes underneath Adams
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» So essentially we're adding a head wall
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sidewalk so that no one has to walk in
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» Okay.
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so, um, I'll start off by saying thank
you for everything that has gone into

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this proposal thus far. This is like
this is a huge amount of work and, um,

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I'm super appreciative about that. Um,
some that said, I do have some

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questions. Um, some things seemed
somewhat vague. Um, I'll start with the

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traffic study. Um the in-out numbers,
there was definitely um justification

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given for those in the handout. Um but
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don't seem realistic to me as a Hinsdale
resident um knowing the patterns of our

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neighborhoods and so forth
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times and it also
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the Ogden Avenue traffic conditions
which that um sheet didn't really

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address. only addressed the traffic that
would be coming from the homes. Um, you

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know, it's two lanes in both directions
and I would be really concerned about

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the left turns in and the left turns out
off of Adams or coming from Adams. Um,

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especially if it's a school bus that has
to do that every day and they're just

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waiting and waiting and wait, you know,
it's it could really be problematic. So,

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I think the traffic study needs um more
development. Um and perhaps even if a

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light did go in [clears throat] there,
it could be something that was timed,

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you know, synchronized with Madison and
and 83 so that it wouldn't um

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you wouldn't just have this traffic
snarl every single day. It would it

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would really flow. But I I do think they
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going in there. Um,
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speck homes or custom homes.
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the infrastructure to it and then we're
going to either sell them to people that

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want to buy a custom home or sell them
to a builder. So, we're just

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redeveloping the land and subdividing
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» I see. Okay. And so, that's why the
covenant was written as though there may

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be many different developers coming in.
>> Exactly.

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» Okay.
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the way in your covenant um details such
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Hinsdale does not have you know a single
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it would be in my view it would be a
shame if this if this beautiful area

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ended up vastly different from what the
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okay. Thinking also though about the the
exterior appearance and site plan

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criteria,
many of your answers to those questions

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had to do with um we will match the
neighborhood. So that seemed very vague.

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There's no neighborhood there. And so I
was just wondering what you were

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referring to if it is Monty Bray or
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side of Ogden which is largely
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» No, it it would be the houses from AC
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Hinsdale proper.
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Monroe like
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» there.
>> Yes. Exactly. But at the at the same

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time, it's hard for us to dictate
exactly what these houses will look like

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because we're subdividing the lots and
say a builder come in comes in and says,

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"Oh, no, we didn't you specified a
certain brick or something like that."

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It would be hard to kind of narrow and
pinch everybody down into that. We

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obviously do not want this to look like
a just blanketed subdivision. We want it

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to, you know, adhere to Hinsdale. every
lot will go through planning and

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development and go through that whole
process. So we are looking to kind of

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adhere to uh Hinsdale look for sure.
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to that end I would suggest that maybe
the in the exterior appearance and

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[clears throat] site plan information we
could tighten up that language a little

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bit
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» so that um
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» Yeah, we're happy to take a look at it
with Bethany [clears throat] and the

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team.
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Do you have any plans for wetland
landscaping?

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» No. So, John Pinbrook did an absolute
great a great job with meeting with all

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the neighbors in in the immediate area
and saying, "What do we want this park

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open space to look like?" And it was a
strong majority saying we want this to

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be as natural as possible with maybe a c
maybe a walking path or something like

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that and some benches, but to leave it
as much untouched as possible. Um so we

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heard that we related to the the
Hinsdale team. Um and that's what we

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kind of settled with there is to leave
it as natural as possible.

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» Okay. Um [clears throat] I think in
order to do that, you still need a plan.

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And it so that for instance, if
invasives start to creep in, you either

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let them naturalize or you take them
out. Um maybe you as you're creating

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your walking path, you create a focal
point and that's where the benches are

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sort of pointed or um
>> you see what I'm saying? Still a very

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light touch. But I think you need a
plan. I mean, even just the maintenance

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plan because the way that it's all grass
right now, I mean, someone has to be

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mowing that.
>> Yes, for sure.

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» So, um, there needs to be a like a clear
even a light touch plan in terms of that

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wetland.
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» Um,
okay. There wasn't anything in the

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packet having to do with the school
impact. Have you looked at how many

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students you're thinking you would be um
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adding to Monroe CHMS
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» We did take a brief
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and and we're working with city staff on
nothing was necessarily in writing on on

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things, but it it did come up. So, we'll
continue to work with them on that.

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» Okay. And then um my last point would be
that um I know you have a lot of water

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detention on here and I'm sure other
commissioners will speak to that. Um but

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I'm I do have a concern just kind of at
the 30,000 foot level. Um that the edge

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of the flood plane goes over several of
the lot lines um with a few of them in a

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very significant way. And um
we have had developments in in um

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Hinsdale
built in a flood plane in the past. Salt

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Creek um you know the Grow Mill
development is the one that really comes

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to mind. And when you have an enormous
hundred-year storm,

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people really, you know, are in danger
and they lose property and it it doesn't

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seem necessarily responsible to be
developing the edges of it um in that

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way. So,
I just I would hate to see people

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purchase these beautiful lots, you know,
invest their lives and their homes and

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everything here and then
have a huge event like that

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» for sure. [clears throat]
>> Good. The engineer speak to that?

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» Yes.
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» Well, uh my name is Alex Her. the civil
engineer uh on this project and so um

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flood plane
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» Gabriel Group
>> Engineering and so um this uh concern

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was raised by staff and uh county. So um
the design of the each lot which uh

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touches the flood plane will meet um
county village and FEMA standards uh for

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minimum protect you know the the minimum
required protection. Obviously, we're

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going to do more than the minimum, but
the flood plane permitting will go

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through the county. So, we will make
sure we meet county as well as uh

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village standards for any lots developed
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» To your knowledge, has the county
changed their [snorts]

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requirements
after any of these big events have

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occurred in recent years? Uh I believe
their ordinance uh was u adopted or

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revised and adopted in 2022
um after the new flood plane maps were

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issued.
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» So it's been that in the last since the
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» Okay. Okay. Good. Thank you. No further
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» Thanks Laura [clears throat]
Cynthia.

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» You touched on a lot of things. Thank
you again for all the work done for

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this. I have some of the same questions.
Um, one of them, however, and you're the

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engineer. Um, I have a concern that
these lands were inhabited by Native

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Americans for a long period of time, and
I'm wondering in your construction, have

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you done any overview of what you might
expect once you number one tear down the

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buildings as well as the construction as
you're move? And I know you won't be

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part of the houses being built. you're
going to be just [clears throat]

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doing the the ground works uh for these
lots, but I'm wondering if you think

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that that's something you should look
into.

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» Uh yes, it will be. Um uh one permit
that's required of this is the storm

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water pollution prevention permit by the
IEPA. We'll need to get one on uh we'll

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need to uh obtain a permit for this
project. And one of the reviews is um

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done by the state uh historical
preservation office and they look

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through various cultural architectural
or archaeological uh issues for this

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land. So yes, it will go through um the
state um historical preservation

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» that would be checked before anything
begins with constructions of homes on

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the property. Correct.
>> Correct. Yes. Um [clears throat]

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then a question the the open space um I
know that you are giving to the village

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of Hinsdale although it's the HOA is
going to be maintaining that parcel of

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property it's it's designated to or or
given to the village of Hinsdale. Is

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that correct?

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» Yeah. Beth Bethany you want to clarify
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» Yeah. So what they're proposing is that
that uh that about 15 acres of land will

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be maintained privately uh in the future
by the future homeowners association. Um

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our village code in our subdivision does
allow them to um propose subject to

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village board approval private common
open space instead of publicly dedicated

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land. And they are able they don't have
to keep this land to be publicly

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accessible but they have um with this
path added especially to provide

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connection to Madison Street they are
making the land publicly accessible

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which is not required by the code
otherwise there's a fee in lie that

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they'd be required to pay.
>> Okay. [clears throat]

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It's nice to know with the the water
that's there, are there any concerns or

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anything you need to do because I'm sure
if it is a village property, um there's

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liability issues if something were to
occur on that property. And I'm

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wondering because I know you're taking
one bridge down, there is one remaining,

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is there anything you need to do to
protect that as a public space or is

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there anything you would require?
>> Um

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I mean they're they're engineering the
site so that you know there shouldn't

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hopefully be flooding within this area.
Um they'd have to look into further of

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what an HOA might need to do in terms of
liabilities, insuranceances, um but it

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won't be publicly dedicated land. So
that's something that the future HOA

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would be required to maintain and look
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» Okay.
And I had, you know, question about the

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homes being designed. [clears throat]
So, is your plan to if someone came in

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and said, "I'm going to take over all
these properties in one builder," or are

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you going to try and sell portions of it
at a time?

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» We're we're pretty early in the in the
process on that. We're we're still

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trying to get through all the
infrastructure and trying to get this

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passed and through dupage and so forth.
So, it's it's we haven't even put it to

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market or anything. So, it's it's very
hard to say at this time. I'm just

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wondering what safeguards we would have
so we don't wind up with a little

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development there where everything kind
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» Well, I think in the covenants it's very
>> Is the covenant strict enough that would

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protect us?
>> Yes, it really gets into the details of

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» architecture review by

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» Yes. So, there's another plans. I know
you were talking about park bench is

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there in your question about landscaping
and having an idea what that would look

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like. Um,
playground equipment I thought. Is that

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ever something that would come to pass
that you would want to add, but that's

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nothing you'd be doing at this point?
>> Correct.

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» Okay.
>> Yes.

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» Uh let's see. I think that is and the
assessments to the homeowners

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as you start to sell things off. I'm
thinking whomever buys this has to

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continue taking care of the property
until everything is divided up equally.

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Correct.
>> Exactly. For sure.

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um the bridge that you removed and I
know that it was in bad shape. Is there

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a reason you wouldn't put that back?
>> That was it. It was a very dilapidated

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wood structure that jumped off into like
a a little island you could call

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» um just for liability purposes and all
this stuff. It it was like it doesn't

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make sense to even put this back,
especially with that island there. Who

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knows if someone gets stuck there,
someone brings something on it. So we we

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agreed we'll we'll go and take that
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» Great. Thank you.
>> Sure.

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» No more question.
>> Thanks.

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» Great.
>> Jen,

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» uh my my questions are pretty
straightforward and thank you guys are

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very thorough. Um can you elaborate on
publicly accessible? Will there be

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parking for uh uh for the public? Will
they actually be welcome or will there

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be some sort of obstacle to using the
park? No, this this is strictly, you

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know, like Bethany mentioned, this is
owned and maintained by the HOA and this

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will be open and and free for the public
um you know, citizens of Hinsdale to

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come and enjoy themselves. So there
there is no catch or signup sheet or

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anything like that.
>> Okay. And park some parking available

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for
>> Oh, I apologize. No, no, no parking um

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for it. It just didn't it didn't make a
lot of sense because we're bringing the

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sidewalk straight down kind of there
too. Um so no no parking but if anybody

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wants to walk or ride their bike and
enjoy nature then have at it.

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» I'm coming.
>> It sounds good. It is a beautiful piece.

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» Uh and it looks like you're going to
have comments from the neighbors. So

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what's your perspective on the comments
you got from the neighbors? Uh was the

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process Salt Creek and residents pretty
uh positive from your perspective?

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» For sure. There was definitely obviously
rightfully so. There was concern about

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water and and where is this water going
to go? We're concerned about flooding

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and so forth. Again, rightfully so. But,
uh, like like Alex mentioned, we're

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going we're going to hear strictly to
Hinsdale and DuPage County. Um, and

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whatever their recommendations are,
we're going to follow that and go from

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there.
>> Okay. and a little bit more than the

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minimum as you [laughter]
>> um the uh uh covenants some of the

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covenants look like they are uh actually
not as restrictive as village of

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hensdale so I would and maybe I'm wrong
maybe I didn't read them correctly but

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like signage is the one that stuck out
for me because we're very signoriented

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Julie
um [laughter]

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so uh if if uh is there something in
there that I missed that said uh subject

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to the more restrictive of these
covenants or village, county, state,

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federal restrictions or is that
>> that's that's a good question. I could

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check on that and and make sure that it
does adhere to at a minimum Hinsdale

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» and and village staff and the village
attorney have reviewed those covenants

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and it was my understanding that they
were revised so that they would meet

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village code requirements.
>> Okay. very specifically the uh

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construction signage uh that's
temporary, you know, we are building a

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house here. We are Bob's construction
company. It looked from my understanding

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of the village code that that would not
be allowed here, but I might be wrong.

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» I will double check on that after the
meeting. We do allow for certain

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construction signage. Um but I'll double
check to make sure there's no conflicts

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with the with the code right now. And
>> sounds good. Um a and lastly uh you seem

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very confident in this and this seems
like a to me a very good plan so far

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subject to further cave. What is your
have you done other work in the area?

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» Yes for yeah we've we've built we're we
built plenty of homes in Elmherst area.

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We've we've built multiple homes in
Hinsdale Clarin Hills. Um so yes

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» you're not a builder. You're a land
>> Yes. I speculator.

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» Yeah. I I thought you were talking about
personally me. I apologize.

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» I kind of am.
>> Uh yes. So, so there are multiple

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partners on this this deal. Um, and
within the LLC there is everybody is

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welloriented in different facets, but
yes, there is a um a builder that is

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that is on this team as well. Um, one of
the partners that is very active in

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Elmherst has built, like I said, in
Hinsdale and Clearon Hills. Yes.

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» Okay. And you're well financed. This is
going to go through and you're going to

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finish the plumbing and
>> Yes, for sure.

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» Okay. Um, good. That's all I have.
Thanks, J. Julie.

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» Hi. Um, my first question is Okay. Um,
it's my understanding it's not a PUB.

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So, how can you ask for waivers?
>> I I can answer that. So, our subdivision

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code does allow them to ask for specific
waiverss to the subdivision code. So the

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waiverss that they're requesting are
for, for example, that sidewalk along

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Ogden Avenue and street trees, which are
in the subdivision code, not the zoning

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code.
>> Okay.

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» So they're they're not zoning code
waiverss because that would require a

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variation.
>> Um my next question is about the

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landscaping plans. Has the village
forester had a chance to review those?

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» Yes, he we're still working through the
comments.

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» Yep. There are still a few um fi I think
one of the conditions that staff has

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recommended that's added if if this
should move forward as a recommendation

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tonight is that all final um village
forester comments would be addressed and

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there's pretty minor ones still that are
left but but there were still a few of a

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few dead trees here or there and then to
allow for some flexibility of because we

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don't know what the individual lots will
be built out as and where those

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driveways specifically will be that
maybe a street tree or two would be

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moved a little bit this way or that way
still meeting the code requirements for

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I think the 40 foot spacing. So,
>> thank you.

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» But they have reviewed it and we we
would like to add to make sure that they

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they address those final comments.
>> Okay, that's very helpful. Um even

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though I would have liked if that had
all been figured out before you were in

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front of us tonight so we know exactly
what we're voting on. Um, okay. My next

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question,
um, and Cynthia, you brought this up.

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Um, if you were going to do a Shipo, you
know, historical review,

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I think that's very important because,
as you probably are aware, that whole

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area was um, villages for the Native
Americans.

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Um, I know Oakbrook did a survey many
years ago that lists what was found and

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what should be done for um, future
development.

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And I think that's something um, that
needs to be looked at. And we've had

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another applicant in front of us before
a few years ago and they had all that

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work, everything done before they came
in front of us. So they knew they could

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go ahead.
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so I would like to see something like
that. Um, it seems like you have a lot

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of things you're considering which you
don't have the final answer on yet.

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So certain things are kind of vague to
me like the landscaping, the shipo

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review,
um, the exterior appearance of the

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homes.
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» there's no exterior appearance on per
comp

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» right on code compliance
>> and that's what these would be all be

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» okay but I still have
>> we're really talking subdivision here

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» okay um I had some questions too about
the park open hours how that would be

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enforced
>> so I I think we we would list that in

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the HOA documents uh but yes it would it
would adhere to the village of Hensdale

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parks as well so that there it would be
I I believe is it 8:00 or 7 8 o'clock

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that um there's a cut off time for uh
people using that.

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» I thought I read somewhere the cut off
time in your plan was going to be six

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o'clock. Am I mistaken?
>> It it could to to be honest, I'm I'm not

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exactly sure that specific line in the
HOA documents. Um but if I could for for

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the forestry, she she mentioned them
there. Yes, we're we're going to we're

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actively working on the rest of the
engineering and we've already um emailed

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the village basically saying yes, we're
working on these. It was a couple of of

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trees that we were taken down. Um and
then like like Bethany said, just we

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don't know exactly where what side of
the driveways these houses are going to

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have, so it would be premature to
finalize tree placement when we don't

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know exactly where everything's going to
fall. So, but yes, we we will we will

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accept, you know, the forestry's uh
remarks on that.

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» Would that have to go to the tree board,
Bethany, or back to us, or how would

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that work?
>> Um, to my knowledge, I don't believe

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that they'd have to go to the tree
board. Um, there these are pretty minor

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comments that we'd work with them on.
There were a couple of trees, um, like

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some buckthorn that were still can be
shown as removed. There were some dead

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trees that were noted. Um, so these were
pretty minor. Um, but I will double

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check if it needs if this would need to
go to the tree board for some of those

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tree removals. Um, and that would but it
wouldn't need to come back here if we

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added that as a condition of approval to
work with staff.

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» And the conditions on page two that are
being recommended addresses all that so

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that the village has the authority to
then address all the tree issues and

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» for building permits. So, it have to be
reviewed and approved before they get

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the permit.
>> Sounds like you guys are going to be

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busy.
>> Yeah. Um, okay. I also had a question

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about the school impact. Um,

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and then do you have any plans for like
street lights, things like that?

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» Yes, th those are in the the plans as
well. I don't miss that.

416
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:16,080
» Yeah, we're we're going to be fixing the
the existing street lights. Yes,

417
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,480
exactly.
>> Okay. Yeah.

418
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Okay, that's all I have. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

419
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:27,760
» Thanks, Julie. And Mark. [clears throat]
>> Yeah. All right. Thank you. U Thank you

420
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,520
very much for the plans. I understand
this is a very constrained site from a

421
00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:37,039
water resource perspective. So, I'm
going to bear that in mind while why I

422
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:42,080
make my comments, but um first, uh I
wanted to start with the open space. Um,

423
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:48,080
did we is the park district been engaged
as it relates to I I'm I'm totally

424
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:53,919
opposed to it being remaining public. I
think it putting it on the HOA. It I've

425
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:58,159
seen enough detention ponds that get
left to HOAs to fund. I don't see it

426
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,200
happening. It's
>> you're opposed to what?

427
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,200
» To staying with the HOA, the public
space.

428
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:08,399
» Oh,
>> because it it really that's a lot to put

429
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:12,559
on a HOA. I mean detention ponds alone,
let alone 15 acres. I think what Harlo

430
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,520
or Commissioner Harlo was saying was
important. We need a maintenance plan to

431
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,960
understand what maintenance looks like.
What are we maintaining too? There's a

432
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:21,520
lot in this covenants and restrictions
for maintenance. [clears throat] But at

433
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:25,679
the end of the day, if that doesn't
happen, we go through the lean process.

434
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:31,200
We go through um you know, potentially
turning over to the village in the first

435
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:35,760
place um or at the end of the day. So, I
would like to start there of is this an

436
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,600
amenity that could be turned over to the
to the village as park? We don't get big

437
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:43,120
chunks of open space like this that
could become parks. Why not take the

438
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:44,960
opportunity of putting it in the public
trust?

439
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:48,080
» That's that's my opinion.
>> Could you address that, Bethany? Because

440
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,039
I know the village talked about it and
they prefer this approach versus taking

441
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:54,399
over the lake
>> in in the initial stages with the

442
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:58,159
applicants and they can also speak to
this because we've spoke about this uh

443
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:02,000
consistently. We did talk about uh the
possibility of this land being dedicated

444
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:06,159
to the village. The village did do some
initial cost estimates of what it would

445
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:11,279
just cost to mow the grass and it was
exponentially high compared to our

446
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:15,679
current parks budget. And so there were
some concerns of um how do we how do we

447
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:20,080
also maintain public access but keep it
private? And so they have they have

448
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:24,720
looked at the private option.
>> I still think that should be explored

449
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:27,760
more mowing. Maybe that's not the use.
Maybe it's a prairie. Maybe it's

450
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:32,159
something like being nature preserve.
>> We also did get like what it would do be

451
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,600
to to go to maintenance plans and
everything, what it would be to actually

452
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:39,200
plant, do native plantings, wetland
restoration, and the costs were quite

453
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:43,120
high, but it is something that you guys
can recommend that the village board

454
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:47,760
look at further. Um, but we did do
initial costs last year and they they

455
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,840
were above budget.
>> Yeah, I that's that's my biggest

456
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:55,919
challenge with with this is that I just
I think it's a lot to put on HOA.

457
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,960
typically the the you know I don't know
if a special service area was discussed

458
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,760
but that's not necessarily appropriate
if we're going to keep it for the public

459
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:09,039
right to put it on the HOA to fund an
SSA either. So that's why I think at the

460
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:15,200
end of the day an SSA is not necessarily
the right mechanism. I I truly think we

461
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:19,679
need to explore more. I I I think 20
years from now the endgame is this

462
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:24,000
either there's a lean on every property
there because of maintenance issues. And

463
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:29,039
I'm not trying to be a doomsday, but I
just think this is the way it's going to

464
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:32,000
play out is that either there's lean or
at the end of the day it's turned over

465
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:37,039
to the village. So why not explore that
from the beginning and it sounds like

466
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:39,840
you've explored it, but I I would highly
encourage that.

467
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:44,960
» Even though it's been under private
control for 50 years.

468
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:50,320
» Yeah. And it's there's del there's trees
falling down in it. There's it's

469
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:54,480
» I mean it's it's not
>> a great from a natural resource

470
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,679
perspective and if I I mean that's just
my opinion. I agree.

471
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:03,519
» So um so that's the public um plan but
at a minimum if it stays in this I agree

472
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,919
with Commissioner Harlo we need a
maintenance plan because maintenance is

473
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:13,200
the trigger for what is the village
going to hold to the HOA to from a

474
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,960
maintenance perspective because the
village has the ability to do the

475
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,879
maintenance themselves and then recoup
those costs. what is the baseline

476
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:24,240
maintenance requirement so that that can
be held against that if it does stay in

477
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:30,079
the private sector.
>> So, good idea.

478
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:33,679
» Um, so the other items I had um
obvious

479
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,560
around a detention pond. I understand
you need that to get your volumes. Um,

480
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:44,159
they it makes maintenance challenging.
You you can only get into that pond from

481
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:48,240
lots nine and or from nine and 10. Um it
it's just the retaining walls are

482
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:52,560
another added level of maintenance. And
so I think part of this personally I

483
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:57,119
know it's you know conforming. It's the
density. You got to fit you know storm

484
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,359
water requirements. You got the culdeac.
You got all these lots. It's the density

485
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,880
that's driving the decision or the need
to have that retaining wall. I'm not a

486
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:10,160
fan of retaining walls in detention
ponds. They end up you know they there

487
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:14,320
are barriers to maintenance. um
especially if you can only get in from

488
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:17,920
two lots to to do that maintenance. Um
and they are a maintenance need

489
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:23,920
themselves that again retaining walls
are expensive. You know my my my you

490
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:28,400
know concern is that the density is too
high for everything you need to fit comp

491
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:33,920
um based on the water resource
constraints at this site. So um that's

492
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:40,320
just another one of my comments. And I
also um just you know I understand um ID

493
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:46,079
do won't let you put the crossing um
there. I'm assuming we're going to

494
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:50,800
Monroe with this school um this year. I
that's a just a challenging crossing if

495
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:54,000
if people do try to cross there. I don't
think they're going to go all the way up

496
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:59,119
to the north end of the thing, walk over
to Madison, and then come back down. Um

497
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:05,280
I I have some concerns that there will
be, you know, um some crossing at a very

498
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,760
crazy intersection to a dead end
culde-sac on Adams, right? That's what's

499
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:12,240
on the other side behind manner.
>> Correct.

500
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,720
» Yeah. So I just I have some concerns
there

501
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,280
» with this much. You know,
>> I don't think anyone's walking to school

502
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,400
from this area.
>> I know, but I People do cross there.

503
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,280
Yeah. Oh, I cross there.
>> Yeah, I cross there. Yeah.

504
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:25,280
» But I've seen school buses picking up
kids.

505
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:29,920
» I agree. I'm just saying in general
there's, you know, there isn't increased

506
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:33,280
amount of potential for trying to cross
that. I just

507
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:38,880
» um I'm just raising that as a concern.
>> And do you have a suggested alternative?

508
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,280
» No, I don't. But this isn't my project.
>> Understood.

509
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:46,720
» Yeah. Good.
>> But the school district does have to

510
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:48,640
sign off on the final plan. So they will
have input here.

511
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:51,440
» Yeah.
>> Those are my considerations.

512
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:55,440
» Thank you, Mark.
>> Yep.

513
00:36:52,640 --> 00:37:01,359
» Hi, how are you? Um, Commissioner Willby
brings up a really good point. Um, I do

514
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:04,800
know that, um, over in Gro Mill, you
can't get a loan backed by Freddy and

515
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:10,240
Fainy because the HOA has not kept up
with their, um, flood issues and you

516
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,160
can't get a loan. Um, so I mean, that's
a really valid point. If there's this

517
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:19,280
becomes a problem, these houses can't
get loans because the the flooding

518
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:23,599
becomes so bad that Fanny and Freddy
won't support back a loan. Do you want

519
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:27,839
to answer?
>> Right. Um, the homes will be outside of

520
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,480
the flood plane.
>> Um, so there should be no issues getting

521
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:36,000
insurance for homes outside of the flood
plane. There is flood plane on the

522
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,880
property, but the homes will be outside
of the flood movements.

523
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:43,520
» I think it's actually more of an issue
with the village not wanting to, you

524
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:48,320
know, cover this cost. Less of a
problem, I guess. Um I mean yes the

525
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:54,640
flood planes obviously an issue but more
along the lines of the HOA covering or

526
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:59,839
being in charge of this um open place.
Yeah.

527
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:05,680
» Um okay. So um as many have said before
this is a gateway to the village and I

528
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:12,640
really wish we had an opportunity to
know what was being developed for sure

529
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:16,720
on the west side um of Adams but we
don't. That's not your problem. Um but

530
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:23,680
we are given certain criteria to look at
um 12 or 13 points that you know all

531
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:27,760
relate to um the
existing structures nearby and the

532
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:32,079
compliance and comp compatibility with
things nearby and um it's really hard

533
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,520
for us to um look at that because
there's we don't know what's coming. So

534
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:40,240
just for the record, I think we should
be looking at this um as you know, at

535
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,119
least not as a whole because this is
owned by different people, but we

536
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:47,680
should, you know, have a better
understanding as to what's being

537
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:52,560
developed over there. Um with that said,
relates to you guys, um it being the

538
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:58,560
gateway, um I know IDA will not allow
you to plant trees or anything or bushes

539
00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:04,480
or arboret along Ogden. Um, but I would
like to see some landscaping um, behind

540
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:08,160
that easement if possible. Um, on the
burm. I think we talked about a burm

541
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,480
going right there. I think it's
important to kind of have some coverage

542
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,839
between Ogden and those houses. I don't
know how much space because you don't

543
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,359
know what's being built there yet, but I
do think that's really important to

544
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,480
have. Um,
>> yeah. Um, as part of the grading plan,

545
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,960
uh, there is a burm.
>> Yes.

546
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:30,880
» On private property between the homes
and Ogden. Would it be possible to build

547
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:33,599
on ever build um plants on on that BM?
>> Uh I don't see why not. I mean that make

548
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,760
most sense because I don't think
anyone's wants to look at Ogden outside

549
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,760
the back window. So right
>> I think most folks

550
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,400
» Well, you would think that
>> Yeah, I would. But but they don't.

551
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,280
» Yeah, I would put [laughter] evergreens
on these BMS, right?

552
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:50,960
» Yeah. I really think that's a suggestion
that we should um implement as a

553
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:57,280
condition to this site plan if you're
against it or not. No, we we're we're

554
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,000
we're willing to to entertain it for
sure.

555
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,440
» Okay. Yes.
>> Looks like there's the burn is about 7

556
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:07,119
foot high from the backyards.
>> Yeah.

557
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:10,960
» Uh well, as I think about um Kensington
over there, that development, and you

558
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,320
just I mean, obviously the trees aren't
that tall, but you just when you're up

559
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,839
in those houses, you just look directly
onto Ogden.

560
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,880
» Oh, the new development.
>> Yeah.

561
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:24,079
» Um and you can honestly when you're in a
on Ogden, it's not even not on Octton,

562
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,200
but when you're on Octton, you can see
in the windows. So, it's just being a

563
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:35,680
gateway to the village. I think it's
important. So, um, and then I just echo

564
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:38,560
the park security measures. Um, I was
over there looking at the property and I

565
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,480
was asked to leave. So, whoever's doing
that did a great job. [laughter]

566
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,560
They said, "Who are you? This private
property.

567
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,000
» What were you doing?"
>> I was looking at the I was looking at

568
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:51,038
all this. Um, but I
>> Did you say on the record that you were

569
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,160
on our property? Is that what you said?
[laughter]

570
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,040
or not. There's no sidewalk. So,
>> did you see that? No trespassing sign

571
00:40:56,278 --> 00:41:01,520
[laughter] posted.
>> Have you been sworn in?

572
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,800
» Um,
>> officer will take care of you when

573
00:41:02,828 --> 00:41:07,920
[laughter]
>> um

574
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:13,119
anyways, I do know that since it's been
vacant, I I have teens and I know they

575
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:17,920
have not my kids, I'm just getting us
all in trouble. Um, that that teens have

576
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:22,240
been over there a lot. Um, and just so
you guys are aware that it's become a an

577
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:25,680
issue with trespassing. For sure.
>> For sure. Yeah, we we've been working

578
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:31,040
with city staff, city staff and the
police have been phenomenal. Um, we're

579
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,400
doing our best to secure it, but at the
same time, we're our hands were kind of

580
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:40,240
tied with Kameed trying to get out there
in disconnecting 950 North Madison. Um,

581
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:45,599
so we hope to have a disconnect letter
in hand um within the next week and then

582
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:49,119
mobilize the crew and have these things
demoed within two weeks.

583
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:55,680
» Okay. I would just suggest like
>> I don't know um just as simple as a sign

584
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:59,520
stating the hours or something to keep
people off the out of the park

585
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:02,319
» right now. It says no trespassing
everywhere.

586
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,800
» I'm just saying once it's developed,
Steve, [laughter]

587
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,240
» that's for sure. Well, she was on the
public street.

588
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,240
» Yeah, I'm sure you never crossed the
curb.

589
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,914
» I don't know. Something was weird was
going on. They said there was an

590
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:20,240
investigation. I need to leave. It was a
[laughter] whole thing.

591
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:25,280
» Um and then um just my concern with the
traffic. Um I think it is going to be a

592
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:29,920
bigger issue and not necessarily your
fault but again looking at the whole

593
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:34,079
picture um it'll be something that once
we do get the proposal for next door

594
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:39,440
we'll have to take a look at and it
might affect your sit you know whether

595
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:43,440
ID do takes a piece whatever it's just
in the future that's it's going to be

596
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:48,079
huge a huge piece of the project.
>> Yes. Again, we're willing to work with

597
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:51,520
village of Hinsdale um and in the public
to, you know, to do what's right

598
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,800
basically in this in this situation. So,
if something does come up, we're happy

599
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,079
to work the v with the village.
>> Appreciate that.

600
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,720
» For sure.
>> And and related to that, the development

601
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:03,520
plan, I thought there was a letter in
here about the just rough schedule, you

602
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:09,520
really are looking to start on the north
lots first and then um reserve place as

603
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,839
it was called the culdeac. That would be
the second phase.

604
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:16,319
» Yes, correct. So, we're going to be
basically doing all the the whole water

605
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:18,960
and sewer loop all the way around. And
it's not like we're just going to be

606
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:22,240
just on the north side. We're going to
be doing a little stuff on the south

607
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:26,000
side, too, with the water and sewer loop
around, moving some earth, that kind of

608
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:30,240
stuff. Um, but yes, our our main focus
will be on the north seven lots first.

609
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:36,400
» Great.
>> And with those north seven lots, that's

610
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:40,079
where they on this plan um in our
packet, that's where the flood plane

611
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:47,520
really encroaches on several of the
lots. um most uh dramatically. Can you

612
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:52,240
just explain expand upon your statement
that all of the homes will be built

613
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:58,880
outside of the flood plane?
>> I'm really concerned about lot 13 where

614
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:04,000
90% of it is in the flood plane. 14 it
looks like about 75% of it is in the

615
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:08,720
flood plane. I don't know how you can
position a house without having it like

616
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:13,040
at the curb. So if you could just um
there's easements on those specific lots

617
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:15,200
different depths to stay away if you
could describe the storm water easements

618
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,920
that they're on.
>> How does that work?

619
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:23,839
» Right. So um for flood plane to relocate
the flood plane limits. We would fill in

620
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:27,599
part of the flood plane and provide
compensatory storage on other parts of

621
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,920
the property. So there's a lot of land
where we can move dirt around. And so

622
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,680
essentially we're going to change the
flood plane limits once the homes are

623
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:40,000
proposed. So once they figure out what
the final footprints are, we'll move the

624
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,760
flood plane limits appropriately and
we'll compensate for that at other parts

625
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:46,960
of the property or of the land. And
there's plenty of land outside of the

626
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:51,119
flood plane to provide that compensatory
storage. So that these easements, the

627
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:55,839
storm water drainage, storm water
management easements that you have on

628
00:44:52,720 --> 00:45:01,359
like lot 16, 15, 14 that get
increasingly deeper that will be kind of

629
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,880
driven by final engineering with the
county and village or will those

630
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:09,680
easements is that what you think they'll
be?

631
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:15,280
» Well, those easements are are fixed. So
>> So no one can build on those parts I

632
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,079
mean they're deep lots. um they really
can only build out towards the street

633
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:21,760
side, not the back side.
>> Correct. And and you'll see those shaded

634
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,839
boxes. That's the proposed footprint and
those are large footprint.

635
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:28,560
» Right.
>> And so um yeah, and and those um the

636
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:33,680
southern lots where the flood planes are
encroaching. We'll be relocating those

637
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:38,160
flood plane limits by uh providing
compensatory storage on the other lots.

638
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,760
So we'll just move it around, move the
flood plane limits around to make sure

639
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:46,560
the final flood plane limit is outside
of the building. on this these drawings

640
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:50,560
» where they
>> these are all easements. So you can't

641
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,960
build on this lot even though it's this
deep. You [clears throat] can only build

642
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:55,040
in this portion of the
>> right there.

643
00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:00,200
» Yeah.
>> Keeping away from the storm lot.

644
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,200
» Yep.

645
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:09,680
» And other questions or comments? Thank
you Scott.

646
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:15,760
» Keeping on that same thread. Uh,
hi. By the way, as we look at square

647
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:21,280
footage of home that can be built and we
look at the size of the lots and we're

648
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:26,240
saying that there's an easement or a
non-buildable part of these lots, does

649
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:31,440
that count against the F and how big
those houses can be? Because in other

650
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:37,440
words, if you can't build if you have a
lot that's could allow for a 20,000

651
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,319
square foot lot or whatever and a house
to be built on that, but you can only

652
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:46,400
use
>> 10% of the lot or 20% of the lot. It

653
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:50,880
doesn't make sense for it to be zoned R2
to me. And so I'm asking the architect

654
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:57,200
in the room and how that works because
it it doesn't seem to me to make sense

655
00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:00,720
» from you don't like utility easements
and everything are not part of the

656
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,599
» No. Uh the whole lot counts for the
underlying property, not the

657
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,839
» even if it's not a buildable part of the
lot.

658
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:10,560
» Correct. So any sort of easements like
if you even had a rear um comed easement

659
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,560
or a storm sewer ement your back, it's
still the underlying lot.

660
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:19,520
» Okay, cool. Thank you. Um that helps.
Um, I'm going to go to where

661
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:24,720
Commissioner Fusonei was a little bit
too.

662
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:28,480
There's something about all of this area
that I think we have to look at

663
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:33,440
holistically. We're touching on it with
the water.

664
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:38,560
And if if you're saying you're going to
now maneuver

665
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:42,960
water,
hold it, retain it, do whatever you're

666
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:46,480
going to do for these houses on this
lot. And we're then we're going to do

667
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:50,640
the same thing on the west side of the
road.

668
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:53,839
And they're connected. That water is
connected. That waterway is connected. I

669
00:47:52,880 --> 00:48:00,160
think we have to look at this
holistically as one area of water

670
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:03,920
management, not just each component
because whatever you guys do is now

671
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:08,800
going to put off on the other side for
them to have to do something similar.

672
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:13,440
And I'm not sure that each is going to
solve the holistic problem as individual

673
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,640
components.
I'm just not I just don't not

674
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:20,400
» the county does.
>> Well, but they did does the county know

675
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,079
that this is all happening? Does the
county know both parcels are going?

676
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,359
» Yeah, though the county is going to be
involved in this everything. They look

677
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:31,920
at it holistically. Okay.
>> Not just even for Claire Hillsdale.

678
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,680
» So the entire water
>> so for this body water doesn't man

679
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:39,839
matter them.
>> It matters to them but they look at it

680
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:43,680
all together. No, I mean it to this our
governing body, this committee, it water

681
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,559
doesn't matter because the county takes
that

682
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:47,280
» correct
>> and does that.

683
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,480
» Yeah, it's a plan commission. We don't
get involved in water

684
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,400
» and and they will be required to meet
all county requirements. And just to

685
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:58,079
confirm, their team has been in touch
already with DuPage County several

686
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,559
times, many times with staff.
>> Just want to make sure that that's

687
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:05,680
addressed, right? Because if I'm a
neighbor, that's my concern,

688
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:11,359
» right? Number one. Number two is the
traffic. And it's the exact same issue.

689
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:13,280
But the county doesn't do the traffic,
do they?

690
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,640
» No.
>> No, we do.

691
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:21,760
» So, if we're looking at the traffic and
we're looking at that holistically

692
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:24,880
and you're going to put these houses in
here with school age children, then

693
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,480
we're going to put senior living across
the way and then some other units,

694
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:33,200
right, that are going to be back in the
other area. First of all, are you guys

695
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:36,480
involved in that area at all? The the to
the west?

696
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:41,839
» No. Your group is not. No. Okay.
>> So, there is no continuity factor

697
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:46,559
occurring here. And I think about
sidewalks

698
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:51,680
because senior people need sidewalks to
walk and that area needs them and this

699
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,760
area needs them too. So, I know we
talked about the trees along Ogden and

700
00:49:53,680 --> 00:50:00,480
the Burm. I would prefer to have a
sidewalk along there that would connect

701
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:04,160
you over to that area.
And I know we have a sidewalk plan. This

702
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:08,720
isn't part of the sidewalk plan. I
understand and get all that. I think we

703
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:13,760
need to revisit the sidewalk plan again
holistically for that area of the

704
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:17,839
village because otherwise it's going to
be an island. And if we're going to have

705
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:22,640
traffic that's going to increase
dramatically in that area when the

706
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,640
senior part's done and all that's done,
there's no way you're going south on

707
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:31,200
Adams taking a left onto Ogden. It ain't
going to happen. You can't do it now.

708
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:35,440
Coming from the south going north, you
can't do it. So, I don't see how that

709
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:39,680
occurs.
And then the only way that those people

710
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:45,119
in in all these homes are going to be
able to get to Monroe School is to go up

711
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:50,240
to Spring Road, down Spring Road, then
down Madison. That's it.

712
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:55,599
» Or they have to go through Claron Hills.
One of the two. So, this has to kind of

713
00:50:53,200 --> 00:51:01,119
be baked in to the thought process on
what's going on here. I'm not seeing it.

714
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:04,720
I don't think we're there yet. Um, I
think we can get there. I'm not saying

715
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,680
that that's a deal killer at all. I'm
just saying it needs to be thought

716
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,720
through a little bit more. The other
thing I would say is the the the access.

717
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:16,000
So lot 20 isn't part of this.
>> Correct. Correct.

718
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:21,359
» Why?
>> Uh long long story short, we just there

719
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:26,480
was
we thought we were going to sell it off

720
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:30,880
at at a certain point. Um so we decided
let's just focus on this square for now

721
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:33,920
and then we'll revisit that later.
>> Okay. So there's no other reason besides

722
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:40,720
that.
>> Okay. Has has consideration been con

723
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:44,559
been given to extending Glendale Road
west to Adams?

724
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:49,520
» Uh no.
>> Is that is where Glendale dead ends to

725
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:52,319
the north side of lot 20 and where that
path and road is is where it would go

726
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:55,839
through.
>> That would have to be that would have to

727
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,640
go through the village. We we we're
putting in a culde-sac and then

728
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,359
basically deeding it over to Hinsdale.
though. Um,

729
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:05,839
» this is all the way up north on
>> Yeah, correct. Cor correct. I mean, we

730
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:09,920
» Where's the Is there a culde-sac up?
>> Yeah, the culde-sac is on the south, but

731
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:12,640
yes, for a city road to You're You're
saying to go on that property. Is that

732
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,079
what you're saying?
>> Yeah.

733
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:22,800
» Uh, I don't I don't know that at this
point. I mean, we we haven't even

734
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:26,400
entertained um you know, developing that
at at this point.

735
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:31,359
» Okay. I just raise it because it might
help with the traffic flow. It might

736
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:34,720
help with things up in that area.
>> And you're saying to bring the street

737
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,280
all the way to Adams. Is that what we're
saying?

738
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,319
» Okay.
>> So, that's a consideration.

739
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:47,079
» Um,
>> agree with the trees. Um, I'm going

740
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:47,079
through. I've got a bunch here.

741
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:52,319
» The pedestrian br as you have it though.
That's where the pedestrian bridge will

742
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:57,599
be replaced up in that area on that
walkway as you guys have it now.

743
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:02,079
» Uh, there's there's a wooden a wooden
Yes. Wooden um structure there that

744
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,359
we're taking it down. But that
>> concrete one in the back that will stay.

745
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:06,960
» The one up in on the north side.
>> Yes. Exactly.

746
00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:14,160
» Yes.
>> Um but the sidewalk that connects the

747
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:17,359
north houses down to the south. Is that
going to be a side like an actual

748
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,680
sidewalk or a path?
>> Yes, that will that will be a sidewalk.

749
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:24,000
So once
>> So the connectivity is that culvert area

750
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,160
or whatever it's called the area that's
>> the head wall. The head wall. Yes.

751
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:30,119
Exactly. Right.
>> All right.

752
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,119
Um,

753
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:38,040
bear with me. I'm trying to skip the
ones that have already been answered.

754
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:53,680
» Um, okay. on the site review plan that
we had. It it was kind of raised earlier

755
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:59,839
when it said um things along the lines
of on the amendment application. This

756
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:04,000
document it said uh consistency of the
proposed amendment with the purpose of

757
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:07,800
this code to match with the surrounding
Salt Creek Club.

758
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:14,000
» Say say that what what was the question
or criteria

759
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,200
» consistency. So it says on the on the
amendment on the map amendment

760
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,400
application, it says the consistency of
the proposed amendment with the purpose

761
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:24,079
of this code says this proposed
amendment will be consistent and match

762
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,760
the surrounding Salt Creek Club.
>> So I I think that's because the water

763
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:32,319
goes up to their property line too. So
it was basically insinuating that we

764
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,680
plan on leaving it natural all all the
way up here.

765
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,160
» All the way over there too.
>> Yes, exactly.

766
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:42,480
» Thank you. That that helps a lot.
>> Um open natural space.

767
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:48,000
» Okay, that's good. The other one was the
site plan review. Now, I I know that you

768
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:54,319
guys,
it sounds like you have builders on your

769
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:58,160
within your group, within your team,
and those builders, you know who they

770
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:03,280
are. You know what they're going to
build.

771
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:07,440
It says that that the that the general
design is going to meet the overall

772
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:12,880
neighborhood and all that stuff right in
here. But and I know we said that

773
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,720
there's
governing documents to this

774
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:19,440
» covenants.
>> But the covenants aren't okay.

775
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,000
» They're in here.
>> So So all that's going to be met and

776
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,920
we're all good with that.
>> Yeah. It spells out, you know, masonry,

777
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:29,920
you know, first floors. Yeah.
>> Which island masonry, right? [laughter]

778
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,400
» I thought I saw that.
>> Make sure there needs to be masonry. No

779
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,440
thin brick.
>> Cool.

780
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:42,000
» Is nice.
>> All right. Hang on. I'm spinning quick

781
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:47,760
here. Oh. Um on the one through
six, the south lots

782
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:50,760
along Ogden, you've got the setbacks
there.

783
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:58,400
You see where it's on? It's on this
document on page five.

784
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:04,799
» Yes.
>> So your setbacks say 35 foot front

785
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:09,359
setback line.
>> Yes, that's correct.

786
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:12,559
But I think the back setback line on the
other document says it's supposed to be

787
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,520
50 ft.
>> You want to answer that?

788
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,760
» I can speak to this.
>> Yeah.

789
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:22,240
» So technically those are considered
through lots. So they have a double

790
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:26,240
front frontage basically. So they
wouldn't have as you see on the lots to

791
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:30,319
the north, they have a true rear
setback, but these technically have a

792
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:33,440
front setback, a primary front setback,
and a secondary front setback. So that's

793
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:39,040
why you're seeing a slight difference
between both sides of the preserve

794
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:43,359
place. Okay, thank you. That helps. I
learned something new there. Uh, and

795
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:47,280
lots one and seven, they are going to
face lot one will face the house will

796
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,119
face north and lot seven, the house will
face south. Correct.

797
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:53,640
» Correct.
>> All right. Um,

798
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:05,920
okay. Yeah, that's that's all I've got.
I I just look at the cohesiveness of

799
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,559
this plan with West and I think that's a
big thing that still needs to be settled

800
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:14,640
out.
>> Absolutely. Thanks, Scott. And I'll use

801
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:18,960
that as a perfect segue because um we've
been looking at this property for seems

802
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:22,640
like a decade. I mean, I've I've been on
the plan commission for I think 13 years

803
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:28,000
and we looked at this with Ryan
Development years ago and the biggest

804
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:31,200
issue and it commissioners have touched
on it is traffic. not necessarily for

805
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:36,559
what you guys are proposing, but
ultimately what will be developed here

806
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:42,799
» and without working with ID do and
creating dedicated turn lanes um so Adam

807
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:47,920
southbound have a dedicated turn lane so
you can go um eastbound and then also um

808
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,440
northbound from west if you're coming
west on Ogden be able to turn north

809
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:57,200
that's going to require some additional
land be set aside from the properties to

810
00:57:54,799 --> 00:58:01,280
allow for a larger um and then to get
the approval from ID dot so it's kind

811
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:05,920
crucial. Without approval, I'd be
surprised if anything could be developed

812
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:09,520
other than R2 on these properties
because it would just create a density

813
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:13,599
and traffic that would be too big. With
that said, we we don't know. We've we've

814
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:18,000
had plenty of discussions and we know
what we talked about with Ryan in years

815
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:22,640
past and there's some current plans are
developing.

816
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:27,119
um what they could obviously set aside
with on Adams to create a left an

817
00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:34,079
additional lane on Adams out of their
property. But the issue is what I see is

818
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:38,160
on lots one, two, and three on your
south portion that if ID do wants to

819
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:42,000
create a turn lane that they're going to
need to take some land from those lots

820
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,680
and you know and this is going to be a
long process whenever I do would get

821
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,200
around to making this approval. I know
like someone mentioned lights, but I

822
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:54,480
think in as we found in the Brian
project um they're not supportive of a

823
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:58,640
light. It's too close to um 83 and
Pascinelli um and also to Madison to add

824
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:06,079
another additional light there.
>> That's correct. if if years from now

825
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:11,680
they did need to take land um from those
lots, lot one is larger than 20,000, but

826
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:15,440
then you get into an issue if they
needed to take some land off at lot two

827
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:19,920
and three. Has there been any
discussion? What are your thoughts about

828
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:22,480
that? Because to Scott's point, we need
to we know that at some point we're

829
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:26,319
going to be looking on the west side of
the street and we need to make sure this

830
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:30,319
works for all the residents that are
going to be living in these facilities

831
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:34,000
and the neighborhood for Fullerburg and
everyone up on Adams, even Oak

832
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:38,000
residents, too. So, we need to make
sure, but I'm just kind of curious what

833
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:42,160
your thoughts are. Um, and do you feel
like if this dedication for this

834
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:48,559
culde-sac and this road, you know, it
goes into place that you could

835
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:54,400
lose some land on those lots um,
whatever ID do would require to and

836
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:58,480
still go forward and have buildable lots
>> for sure. Again, we're willing to work

837
00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:03,920
with the village on on especially if
this is good for the village, good for

838
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:07,680
the public. Um, obviously, you know,
good for our residents, too.

839
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:11,359
» Good for you, too. Yeah, exactly. Um,
but long story short, I mean, we're we

840
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:15,680
don't know anything about that project.
We're not involved in that project. So,

841
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:20,319
we don't we have no idea um we would
have to really work with the village and

842
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:26,240
see how much they is IDAT looking to
take with their turn lanes and so forth

843
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:30,480
um to see what that would look like.
Does it get it past underneath the

844
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:33,119
20,000 foot threshold? Therefore, we
have to do variances and we have to do

845
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:36,480
this, that, and the other. and it's just
a whole different

846
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:40,079
» it rolls downhill very quickly, right?
So again, to answer to answer your

847
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,720
question, we're open to it, but we just
don't know what's going on.

848
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:46,400
» I just want to make sure that's on the
record because it we know at some point

849
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:50,880
we're going to have to address it. Um it
would be definitely a benefit for these

850
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,680
19 properties
um would benefit them because it's going

851
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:57,200
to be easier to get it out of that
neighborhood and would benefit the

852
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:00,559
entire area. Yeah. So I think it would
be a good case for a hardship and a

853
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:05,200
variance, you know, because it's not
like it's some um

854
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,400
it's an important issue for the entire
community. So

855
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,400
» for sure.
>> Um

856
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:17,040
» make one follow on to that. Um would it
be possible to tweak um the way that the

857
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:22,720
culde-sac is laid out so that lots one,
two, and three were a little bit larger

858
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:26,160
from the start in anticipation of
if land needed to be carved from the

859
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:30,880
Ogden side, then they wouldn't need a
variance. They would still

860
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:35,520
» qualify as R2.
Um, and that would mean lots seven,

861
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:39,839
eight, and nine probably,
you know, the ones on that side

862
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:43,040
shrinking just a little bit. But
>> it almost feel like if they took the

863
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:45,520
angle of the colise,
>> rotated it slightly.

864
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:49,040
» Yeah.
>> You have any thoughts on that or you

865
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,599
want to look into that?
>> Um,

866
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:57,839
» it's the center line.
>> I mean, uh, phase two, the culde-sac uh,

867
01:01:55,359 --> 01:02:03,520
portion was a challenge. Um, you can see
the gray changes over there. Yeah.

868
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:07,839
» Um and u I mean I don't want to get into
the weeds of the technical aspects but

869
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:14,319
it it was very difficult to come up and
meet the detention requirements for this

870
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:18,640
phase. And um uh there was there was a
comment about these retaining walls. it.

871
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:23,599
We had to work very closely with the
village um engineering consultant to

872
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:27,680
come up with this and it was a very it
was a a collaborative process to come up

873
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:32,079
with this
>> because of the um the challenges

874
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:37,839
» right
>> um so to relocate

875
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:43,440
this culde-sac
would

876
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:48,160
um significantly I feel reduce the
buildable area on those northern lots

877
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:51,359
now even though They look big, right?
They're they're big,

878
01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:57,040
» but you can see where the detention
>> pond takes. And we are really squeezing

879
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,400
down the buildable area,
>> right,

880
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:06,079
» to meet the uh storm water requirements.
>> Um, and not just, but you know, exceed

881
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:11,040
the, you know, we we exceeded slightly.
Um, so that's my initial thought is

882
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,920
» it was challenging to make everything
work. It's like a 4D puzzle, literally.

883
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,599
» Right.
>> I mean, I'm not suggesting that. I don't

884
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,119
think it makes sense to change something
for an unknown.

885
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:22,559
» Yeah.
>> But I just think we need to be aware of

886
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:27,599
it. And it is a fascinating concept
where you retaining water above a a pond

887
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:32,640
like a lake which is you know
interesting concept. But um you know

888
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:36,000
again trying to um slow down um the
movement of water into the the

889
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:39,119
waterways. So I just want to mention it
and I think

890
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:42,799
» I mean lot one seems like you have the
depth and then who knows what ID even

891
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,760
require. You know that they're going to
be very specific on what the

892
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:49,839
requirements are. And who even knows
their timeline? I mean, right, I I

893
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:54,720
worked on the I290
expansion back 30 years ago.

894
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:56,960
» 30 years ago, still nothing [laughter]
happened. So, we were talking about it.

895
01:03:56,319 --> 01:04:00,400
» It's coming.
>> Yeah, it's coming. It's But so again, um

896
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,960
» Okay. Well, that
>> you know, thanks for the, you know, the

897
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,000
the awareness.
>> Okay.

898
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:10,720
» Um but uh yeah, this was challenging and
this we made it work

899
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:15,920
» uh on sidewalks. And I'm I'm glad um
Scott, multiple um commissioners brought

900
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:21,440
it up. Is there a reason and I I
actually I live on Adams just south of

901
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:26,319
Aen and I love this area and I go for
walks and runs up up Adams and Spring

902
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:30,559
Road and down Madison. So I'm very
familiar with this area and of all times

903
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:35,039
of day and there are, you know, people
jogging, walking, biking. I mean, it's

904
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:39,200
it's amazing how much traffic there is,
but it's so beautiful. It makes it's a

905
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:43,280
it's a very peaceful area. The amount of
bikers is amazing. like in in the dark

906
01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:48,720
you'll see um them up there biking up
and down Adams the sidewalk you stop you

907
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:52,880
ended at the preserve um place is there
any reason that couldn't on the lot one

908
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:58,240
that that sidewalk couldn't extend down
to where the the radius starts and then

909
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:03,039
terminate you know at the at Adams
because I just even though there's no

910
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:07,440
crossing from South Adams to this North
Adams it there are people going across

911
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:10,480
there I mean literally a path is almost
made by the number of people that cross

912
01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:14,799
it every
So, I just think having getting them off

913
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:18,640
the street once something happens to the
west, I'm sure there'll be sidewalks as

914
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:22,000
part of that because as Scott mentioned,
I mean, if you have uh seniors and

915
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:26,240
everything, we're going to want to use
this great amenity, this park, this

916
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:31,200
space and want to connect with that, but
it would just seem like it'd be since

917
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:35,440
you're putting the walk in now on lot
seven, just seeing it extend a little

918
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:40,319
further south, I think, would be
helpful.

919
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:45,920
Uh I mean we could do that but I believe
discussion with staff was that it was

920
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,599
essentially the thought was it led to
nowhere. Right.

921
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:50,160
» Right.
>> But realistically like you were saying

922
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,480
people going to cross.
>> Right.

923
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:56,900
» So
>> that goes to the if we're going to

924
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,280
repurpose this entire area
[clears throat]

925
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:03,119
» the sidewalk plan needs to be revisited.
I know it's not for this discussion.

926
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:06,640
» It's not for this and when I do gets
involved I mean we're gonna need to

927
01:06:04,319 --> 01:06:07,760
really work with that. Yeah, but it
needs to occur,

928
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:10,240
» right?
>> And it's it's not anything you guys are

929
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:12,960
doing wrong.
>> So, that's one thing I take you to

930
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:16,400
consider that because it's just kind of
curious. I was surprised that it

931
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:21,200
stopped, you know, at that spot.
>> We're open We're open to that.

932
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:26,720
» And then regarding um like the path from
lot 20 from basically Madison to Adams,

933
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:31,599
why gravel
versus pavement? Uh

934
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:36,640
» the reason I ask is like accessibility,
you know, strollers, you know, pushing a

935
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:40,720
baby in a stroller on gravel is a is a
challenge. You know, it's like going to

936
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:43,039
the beach with the stroller. Um what was
the rationale behind it?

937
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:47,760
» Well, it would it would be compacted
gravel. So it' be the very small stuff

938
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:51,359
that you can roll things easily across,
but it again at the same time the whole

939
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:55,520
thought process was to leave it as
natural as possible and not just cover

940
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:59,440
this whole thing with concrete. the
gravel walks I mean um have to be

941
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,440
maintained also. I mean they'll run out
and everything and costly. I just I just

942
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:07,359
think
>> in my personal opinion it's a mistake

943
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:11,680
for it to be gravel at the get-go that
it'd be more effective to all the

944
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:16,079
neighbors over on Madison, the
Fullersburg neighborhood and connecting

945
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:21,119
those, you know, basically Madison and
Adams together. And I know from seeing

946
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:24,640
like plan commission, you know, signs up
on North Adams, there's undeveloped lots

947
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:27,359
that are just full of trees and
everything that will be houses at some

948
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:31,520
point. So, we're going to be adding more
than just these 19 lots. There'll be

949
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:34,799
plenty of additional homes built.
>> I I just think the connection needs to

950
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:37,920
be better.
>> Yes. So, you said a water main, correct?

951
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:41,760
» Water man underneath the
>> Yeah, there I think that was part of the

952
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:47,119
consideration too with city staff. Their
water meter the water man is going

953
01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:51,520
underneath that gravel path as well. So,
Bethany, what what what's the village

954
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:54,720
take on that?
>> I would have to con confer back with our

955
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,760
village engineering.
>> Okay,

956
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:00,480
» that's something we can look into though
if you add it as a condition.

957
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:06,720
» It is fascinating on the north end of
this where the village line moved. I I I

958
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:10,319
assumed it was either on the west side
or in the center of the road, but I was

959
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:15,200
shocked when I saw that it's actually on
the east side of Adams.

960
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:18,159
» Yeah. Um, so I was teasing Bethany that
when they go to get a building permit,

961
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,759
they have to pull it from Hinsdale and
Oakbrook [laughter] because their

962
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:25,040
driveway is going to be in Oakbrook and
their, you know, the curb cuts in

963
01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:26,400
Oakbrook and then the house is in
Hinsdale.

964
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:28,319
» For sure. Yeah.
>> Fascinating.

965
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:33,279
» Yeah.
>> Um, [clears throat]

966
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:34,640
and with that, any other
>> questions or comments right now from

967
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:39,920
commission?
>> Just one quick one. I'm sorry. I I

968
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:44,839
forgot it earlier. Um, Bonnie Bray Road
dead ends into lot 12

969
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:52,960
» and there's lot 12 goes north of Bonnie
Bray and there's no way for anybody in

970
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:56,960
that neighborhood to have access to the
park that we're now describing or is

971
01:08:55,440 --> 01:09:01,839
there anything that can be done there
from being a good neighbor to figure out

972
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:07,839
a solution in that little area right
there? It's on page eight of 21

973
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:13,359
» versus going north.
>> Can you come across

974
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:15,920
» it's just it's it's only by it's only by
>> I mean there's no way even if you shrink

975
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:20,799
these down
>> you're just going to be blocked by lot.

976
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:24,960
» So to answer your question talking with
Alex the Yeah. lot lot 11 and 12 is

977
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:29,759
right here. Correct.
>> Yeah. If even if we were to shrink those

978
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:35,199
down to the minimum 20,000 square feet,
there's no way to get around that on the

979
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,319
north side there with a detention pond.
>> Okay.

980
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:40,400
» To to go.
>> So the elevation is too it's too steep.

981
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,279
» Yeah. It's too steep and it would it
would be a waterway essentially.

982
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:49,440
» Yes.
>> Have to be. [laughter]

983
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:54,400
» Thank you. That answers my question.
>> Anything else?

984
01:09:50,799 --> 01:10:00,719
» One other idea following on that. Um
could just be [clears throat] a sidewalk

985
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:05,520
or gravel path that connects to the end
of the culde-sac that just goes down the

986
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:08,560
lot line basically.
>> How does that elevation look over here?

987
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:12,320
She's saying connect right here.
>> I think you'd want to ask the people in

988
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:16,239
Bonnie Bray if they want people
Bonnie Bray is a a public end right now

989
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:19,840
and you'd be encouraging people to go
down.

990
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:25,280
» Oh, to go through their property. Okay.
I kind of remember back in the Ryan

991
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:28,640
project that this came up and I I
thought that neighbors then didn't want

992
01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:33,969
to change.
>> Right. Okay.

993
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:35,989
» Neighbors in the audience saying
[laughter]

994
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:44,880
» they don't want that.
>> And Juliet, you had a question.

995
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:49,120
» Yes. Back to lot 20. Does that about um
Butler Cemetery?

996
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:52,480
» Yes. Yes. There is a cemetery north of
that. Correct.

997
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:56,480
» Are there any plans for that?
I believe Institute of Basic Life owns

998
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:00,880
it.
>> The cemetery?

999
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:04,239
» Oh, I'm I'm not sure. Yeah, we're
>> we have no knowledge of that.

1000
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,679
» And and to be honest, what do you do
with the cemetery?

1001
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,640
» Well, um
>> golf.

1002
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:17,440
» Well, [laughter] come on.
>> Enjoy the peaceful.

1003
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:21,840
» Yes, you're right.
Um, and I've got a a process question.

1004
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:24,880
Um,
>> based on this conversation, it seems

1005
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:30,239
like there's
>> uh some I do work that's less to be done

1006
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:34,800
» and I've not part of this project.
>> Understood. Well, actually, I guess

1007
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:39,280
that's my question. What is the process?
I got the impression that that's a

1008
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:42,320
lengthier process and that it's external
to what we're trying to do.

1009
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:47,760
» It' be tied in with whatever happens in
the west side of the west side of Adams.

1010
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:56,719
All right. So, it's it's not relevant.
>> Well, only relevant in the point that it

1011
01:11:53,360 --> 01:12:00,159
could possibly impact like lots one,
>> two, and three.

1012
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:06,880
» Possibly, but we don't know.
>> Which could cause the uh angle of the

1013
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:12,800
street that leads into the culac
>> to be changed. So, is that a contingent

1014
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:18,159
that is
problematic to us voting positively for

1015
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:23,040
this?
I don't know the answer to that.

1016
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:26,560
» I mean, it's this is something we just
need to be aware of. We whenever

1017
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:30,800
something gets proposed for the Westside
Adams, we will be part of it and then

1018
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:34,239
we'll we'll bring it up. I just wanted
to make sure that they're I'm figured

1019
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:38,400
they were aware of it, which you are,
but that just, you know, we just have to

1020
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:41,679
cross that bridge when we get to it.
Okay. Not part of this process.

1021
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:45,120
» No, it could be IDOT might say there's
no changes allowed. They're not going to

1022
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:48,640
do anything.
>> No chang

1023
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:52,239
on the west side.
>> Yeah. Is that

1024
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:55,760
» But to your point, do we get up in front
of it instead of doing something

1025
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:58,000
approving something and then having to
look and say we should have maybe done

1026
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:00,159
this?
>> Yeah.

1027
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:03,600
» Yeah. That's my point.
>> Looking at like you said to look at the

1028
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:06,480
whole project and say what is where is
this going to go?

1029
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:12,640
» Yeah. If there if there is a turn a lane
needed here and it causes a problem with

1030
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:17,440
lot one and two uh which makes it
something different than we would

1031
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:21,280
approve is is this the c before the
horse if that really is something we can

1032
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:25,199
kick down the road and say deal with it
later that's fine.

1033
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:28,719
» Beth any thoughts on that?
>> So in prior talks with the village

1034
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,320
attorney on this because this is a code
compliant RT subdivision and not a

1035
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:36,159
planned development they're not asking
for variations. There's very little that

1036
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:41,040
the village can do at this stage to
impel them to give roadway dedication.

1037
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:46,239
And it was said earlier of roadway
dedication for what at this point. There

1038
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:50,239
aren't plans to to perfectly know what
would be needed with that other project

1039
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:54,159
on the other side of the road. Um but to
confirm what the applicants have said

1040
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:58,239
earlier, they they are happy to talk
with the other developers and be part of

1041
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:02,320
this project moving forward and and have
those negotiations. So, it would be

1042
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:06,000
something that would be mutually
beneficial to everyone in the area and

1043
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:11,760
for these developments. So,
>> okay. And it is R2. It is compliant. And

1044
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:18,080
to Steve's point, we've seen a handful
of proposals for this area. Um, this is

1045
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:22,640
about as least dense as you're going to
see on this property. Right.

1046
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,480
» Correct. And this is code compliant as
it is zoned today.

1047
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:31,040
» Okay.
>> Yeah. The R2 minimum 20,000 uh square

1048
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:33,600
foot lots. All right, that's Do you have
any comment on that? It wasn't a

1049
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:36,560
question,
>> so it was fine.

1050
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:41,280
» Uh, I mean, we we definitely went to
more more of a restrictive zoning, too,

1051
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:47,199
as opposed to three and four. Um, that
is smaller lots and try to smash as much

1052
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:52,080
as as as in as a as possible, but no, we
decided to do R2, which is bigger lots

1053
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:55,040
that kind of fit the footprint of it as
well as to kind of preserve as much as

1054
01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:57,520
possible, too. So, there was some
thought there.

1055
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:59,760
» Thank you. to your point like fits the
nature of the area of the lots that are

1056
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,080
there.
>> Yes.

1057
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,080
» Right.

1058
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:09,280
» Yes. Um not any more commissioner.
>> Just one question. I'm concerned a

1059
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:14,080
little bit about the market
marketability of 13 and 14. Do you

1060
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:18,480
foresee that? And I know you're talking
about moving soil around and trying to

1061
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:22,080
adjust the way the flood plane is, but
if I were going to build a houseite,

1062
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:28,320
that would not be my choice to pick
those two lots. Did you ever think about

1063
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:33,520
reducing the size of the instead of the
you know that how many are there? Six of

1064
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:37,280
them seven of them. Seven. Are you
concerned at all about that?

1065
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:43,760
» Uh no. Ba basically working with the
engineers and talking to DuPage and um

1066
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:50,159
the city engineer as well. We have had
extensive talks with them over basically

1067
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:55,440
a year now. Um, and again like like Alex
engineer said, everything is outside of

1068
01:15:52,320 --> 01:16:00,560
the flood plane. So everything is very
marketable as well as these lots are

1069
01:15:57,679 --> 01:16:05,600
massive. They're 100x 400 ft deep.
>> So it looks like a a 50 by 150 on on the

1070
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:09,920
site plan right now, but it's they are
very large. Um, and everything is going

1071
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:13,920
to be outside. So
>> I just as a homeowner, I'm sorry to

1072
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:18,640
interrupt. Um, I would, even though it's
a very deep lot, I wouldn't want to look

1073
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:21,600
at a pond out in my backyard if in, you
know, everyone talks about the

1074
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:24,800
hundred-year flood, which we seem to
have every so many years we get the

1075
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:29,840
hundredyear flood.
>> Um, I just wondered if there was a

1076
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:33,520
concern about that on particularly those
two, but you're saying there's not.

1077
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:38,520
» No, no, no concern.
>> And the market will dictate that.

1078
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,520
» It will,

1079
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:43,448
» but lot 19 is still available if you
would like that. [laughter]

1080
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:52,800
I want 20.
>> 20. Yeah.

1081
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:57,440
» Top of the hill. Lot 19.
>> Yeah.

1082
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:01,520
» Thank you, commissioners. Um like to
listen to any residents um community

1083
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:03,120
members that would like to speak to this
matter.

1084
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:06,480
» All right. Thank you all very much.
>> Thank you. Appreciate it. I'm sure we'll

1085
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:10,400
talk more.
>> Yes, sir. Please come up. tell us who

1086
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:14,719
you are and uh where you live and sure
love to hear what you have to say.

1087
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:18,880
» I'm Dan Hammer and uh I live at 424
Glendale which is one of maybe the only

1088
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:23,040
houses that actually abuts this project
but it's on the corner of Glendale that

1089
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:27,040
uh you were mentioning drive straight
into the property. Um so I have a few

1090
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:30,480
questions. I used to be a real estate
developer so pardon me. try to go

1091
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:33,679
through them quick because um because I
have I questions and you may not be able

1092
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,880
to answer them but I think these are
questions that I just want to get on the

1093
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:39,840
record because I think maybe uh
commissioners might have similar

1094
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:43,600
questions and some of them were riffs
off of the things that were brought up.

1095
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:46,719
Uh so what I didn't understand is there
going to be a development agreement

1096
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:51,760
that's signed that's a commitment that
the village can hold the homeowners

1097
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:54,960
association to uh regarding all the
maintenance and the plans for the storm

1098
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:58,239
water the dredging or any problems that
come up in the park and if there's

1099
01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:03,199
because it seems like there should be
some sort of contract with the developer

1100
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:06,800
to get the subdivision um approved and
then if they don't live up to those

1101
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:09,920
commitments then the village would be
able to lean the homeowners association

1102
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,080
and so forth. So, I don't know if I'm
putting the cart before the horse here,

1103
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:16,239
but it seems like that would be the
natural thing. And I don't know if this

1104
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:21,280
logistically if this is an approval of
the project to go forward or if it's

1105
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:24,159
subject to further negotiations or uh or
what, but it seems like that would be be

1106
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:28,159
nice to have a development agreement
that all the plan commission was happy

1107
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:31,520
with locked down before you were on the
record supporting the project.

1108
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,320
» We're recommending body the village
board would ultimately approve this, but

1109
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:37,440
» Okay.
>> That's a really good point and other

1110
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,040
commissioners have brought up similar
concern

1111
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:42,159
» and that Okay, I guess. Great. And that
because I think there are going to be a

1112
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:45,280
lot of there's going to be a lot of
expertise involved in maintaining this

1113
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:48,239
park. The water issues are significant
even if the counties can oversee what

1114
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:54,560
needs to be done and it is going to
require systematic dredging and and bank

1115
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:59,360
management and whatever else. Um so I I
that is none of my expertise and I'm

1116
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:03,040
part of a home of a large association of
residents that um have brought that

1117
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:06,159
those issues up a lot. I got to say I'm
very excited about a code compliant

1118
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:11,120
project coming in here. I think this is
great. It's a huge improvement from

1119
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:16,560
where we were with the um tiny houses
that were there in the original plan

1120
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:20,159
years ago. Um but uh if they don't
maintain the association doesn't

1121
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:24,080
maintain it. Uh you know, the village
will end up owning it in the end. I do

1122
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:27,760
think that's highly likely um because
it's not enough houses really to fund

1123
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:33,600
this. And I do think it should be a
village uh park. Uh we've all maintained

1124
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:37,520
it. The village should buy this. So to
have the opportunity to get it for free

1125
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:42,080
effectively if you could negotiate that
in exchange for the village maintaining

1126
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:45,120
it um and taking that off the homeowners
association. I would think that'd be an

1127
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:49,440
advantage assuming that you knew what
you were getting into with the pricing

1128
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:55,440
of maintaining it. Um
I'm concerned that lot 20 which is not

1129
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:59,280
on the picture um but is uh to the east
is not in the group. Yeah. I think seem

1130
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:03,360
to want it in the association and
subject to the developer agreement and

1131
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:08,400
so that um it was helping to fund the
park and uh and especially because it's

1132
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:11,600
right next to my house and so I'd also
like a commitment in the development

1133
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:15,360
agreement that that will also stay R2
and it won't turn into something else

1134
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:22,080
because right now a lot of commercial
activities happen in that building. Um

1135
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:24,800
the uh let's see, you know, I would put
in the plan now. I would actually

1136
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:27,760
honestly think the village should want
to buy that as the entrance to the park

1137
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:31,199
cuz almost all the village residents
that'll get there will be coming up

1138
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,840
Madison to get into the park. So, it
seems like even if you're not going to

1139
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:39,679
buy the whole thing and actually pay for
it, there's an argument to buy that lot

1140
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:43,679
20 for the village. Uh let's see. in the
development agreement, I think you'd

1141
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:49,840
want uh in addition to maintenance to
keep it open space and to comply with

1142
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:53,199
the parks open hours and that that um
that that trail along the north side

1143
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:58,480
should I think at least be asphalt like
the trails in the neighborhoods in uh

1144
01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:02,239
Oakbrook, which is there's a very common
um this is very common the sort of

1145
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,960
wetlands and retention ponds and so
forth in all of these buildings in

1146
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:08,880
Oakbrook and I've jogged through those
for years. Uh, and they're all asphalt

1147
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:12,800
at least, if not concrete, but mostly
asphalt. Uh, I agree that there should

1148
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:16,239
be a sidewalk in Ogden. There are
sidewalks. Like the commissioner said,

1149
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:20,000
there's a there's a sidewalk on Adams.
It's just dirt. Uh, right now it's not a

1150
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:23,199
sidewalk. And the same thing on Ogden.
There's people walking on Ogden all the

1151
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:27,280
time, which I find dangerous. I know
some people don't like the idea of um a

1152
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:31,840
sidewalk in Ogden, and I think it's
because they're worried about people

1153
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:35,199
walking through town. Um, but I'm pro
pedestrian and I think uh that you know

1154
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:40,400
there should be a sidewalk in Ogden. And
so I wouldn't offer that waiver. I'd say

1155
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:44,239
sidewalks that go to nowhere someday go
to somewhere. So build a sidewalk and

1156
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:48,080
the next the next guy who builds a
project, he's going to have to build a

1157
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:54,320
sidewalk. Um, please don't extend
Glendale. Uh, and uh, let's see. IBLP

1158
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:58,560
does own that cemetery. It's the old
Butler cemetery and it's where they

1159
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:03,440
moved all the bodies from Oakbrook that
Butler uh found. Um and a lot of them

1160
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:07,440
are unknown. Nobody knows who they are.
It's a problem because IBLP is

1161
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:10,719
abandoning all of their properties in
this area and that's going to be you

1162
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,679
know there are laws about cemeteries
which I'm not an expert on to make that

1163
01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:17,040
they're supposed to have funds to
maintain them and that cemetery is

1164
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:21,840
falling apart. The tree there are big
trees down and so forth. I've tried to

1165
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:25,120
get Bronzewood to buy that property and
they have entered into negotiations, but

1166
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,840
they didn't go anywhere. So, that's as
far as I know that's dead. But that

1167
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:32,880
really the village should be doing
everything in my opinion to force IBLP

1168
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:36,960
using the power of whatever uh finding
them and regulating them or or or or

1169
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:40,159
negotiating with the state to push them
because if they end up if that's the

1170
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,719
last thing IP owns, it's just going to
be a mess.

1171
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,760
» You mean the village of Oakrook? Isn't
that in Oakbrook?

1172
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,280
» Yes.
>> Oh, it might be in Oh, okay. That might

1173
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:50,639
be an Oakbrook. Yeah. Sorry. Well, then
Oak should be doing [laughter] say Oak

1174
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:54,960
» the middle should be working with
Oakbrook to do that. But um and then the

1175
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:58,000
final thing I'd say is on that on that
path is going to run right along the

1176
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:01,920
cemetery. So it is a nice way of
breaking the homeowners away from being

1177
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:05,920
literally next to the cemetery. But I
would wouldn't want that path to have

1178
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:09,440
10-ft privacy walls on one side and
cemetery walls on another side. It would

1179
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,320
not be a very pleasant path. So, I
wonder if under the development

1180
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:17,280
agreement, I would think you'd want that
the backyards of those houses to be open

1181
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:21,760
like they are in sort of Oakbrook on
those similar paths in Oakbrook.

1182
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:25,320
» Those are all my comments. Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1183
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:44,560
» Um, hi, my name is Bob Lindren. Um, I
live at 1020 Birchwood Road in Oakbrook

1184
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:47,600
and um, the uh, so I'm going to give you
a slightly different perspective here.

1185
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:54,560
I'm going to give you a little bit of an
Oakbrook perspective on on this area and

1186
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:59,280
on Fullerburg Woods. Um, my wife and I
have lived on Birchwood Road at this

1187
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:05,440
location since 1987.
So, we've seen a lot here and and we've

1188
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:10,719
spent many many many more hours fighting
zoning and development issues relating

1189
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:16,080
to the IBLP than we ever care to uh than
we ever thought we would get into. Um,

1190
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:21,360
the number of Hinsdale residents
currently who utilize Ogden Avenue on a

1191
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:26,320
reg Adams Road rather on a regular basis
between Ogden and Spring is precisely

1192
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:31,360
zero.
This is an Oakbrook Street for all

1193
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:36,480
intents and purposes. And um I
recognize, you know, there's a long

1194
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:40,719
history of kind of joint governance and
joint identity in Fullersburg between

1195
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:45,440
Hinsdale and Oakbrook. When we first
moved here, there was a joint uh area

1196
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:49,679
association. Fullersburg Woods Area
Association was equally comprised of

1197
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:54,239
Hinsdale and Oakbrook residents. Uh my
wife and I both served on that group and

1198
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:58,880
uh we made a lot of good friends who
live in Hinsdale in that process.

1199
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:02,960
Hinsdale and Oakwork have a little
different way of doing things and we

1200
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:07,199
understand that and appreciate it. But
there are other than the uh IBLP

1201
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:12,800
sidewalk currently and the history on
that of course is the IBLP was forced

1202
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:19,040
into building that sidewalk because
Oakick residents were deeply concerned

1203
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:24,239
with the number of uh their uh I don't
know exactly what to call them students

1204
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:31,360
I guess or whoever they were but young
people uh pre-teens and teenagers who

1205
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:37,040
would be parading up and down uh Adams
Road and it creating a big uh health

1206
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:42,639
issue, safety issue. But uh that that
traffic is gone now and there are no

1207
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:46,719
sidewalks up and down Adams Road as you
well know if you walk we've probably

1208
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:53,760
passed one another on Adams.
>> Um I walk my dogs on Adams every day and

1209
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:58,719
um so there are no sidewalks, there are
no street lights and the character of

1210
01:25:56,480 --> 01:26:04,159
that area, particularly that part of
Fullersburg is defined by that. So, I

1211
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:09,520
ask you to think long and hard before
turning uh an area which is basically

1212
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:16,400
populated by Oakbrook residents and and
and imposing, if you will, a Hinsdale

1213
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:20,320
sensibility um on that area. Um if you
do, you do. It's your call to make. We

1214
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:23,920
understand that. But wanted to let you
know there there are other people

1215
01:26:21,679 --> 01:26:28,560
affected by this decision.
>> Related to that, are you in support of

1216
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:34,159
like the R of the R2 size properties?
>> Uh yeah. Now, I I think I wanna I want

1217
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:37,600
to uh I want to commend uh the
development team, the applicants because

1218
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:42,639
it seems very clearly what they've done
is on the north unit, they've tried to

1219
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:48,000
echo, if you will, the Oakbrook zoning.
We on Birchwood Road, we're in Oakbrook

1220
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:53,679
R2 zoning, which is minimum lot size of
one acre. So, uh and they've come very

1221
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:58,320
close to one acre on the seven, uh
northernmost lots on the southern 12

1222
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:03,600
lots. they kind of mirror the other side
of Ogden a little bit more. So there's

1223
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:08,639
clearly a there there there's a a
detectable obvious effort to try to

1224
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:15,840
harmonize if you will and I I appreciate
that. Um on the subject of water when we

1225
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:20,480
some of you may remember there was an
epic flood in the area and I think it

1226
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:22,080
was 1988 or ' 89. Anybody old enough and
been around long enough?

1227
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,800
» 87.
>> 87 excuse me. Thank you.

1228
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:27,440
» The year I got married.
>> Okay. It was actually I should remember

1229
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:32,159
it better because this year we moved
into our house. At the time we were told

1230
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:36,560
that was a hundred-year flood. There
have been three more of them since then

1231
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:42,400
of the same magnitude. So be careful
what you call a 100red-year flood. We've

1232
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:46,880
had um uh a lot of change not only in
the weather but in the amount of the

1233
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:52,320
area that is covered by impermeable
surface. Um there's been a lot of

1234
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:57,840
development and uh the holistic theme is
I think a very important one and I don't

1235
01:27:54,639 --> 01:28:01,520
know uh if if uh Hinsdale staff has
coordinated with Oakbrook staff at all

1236
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:08,159
and it's still in the planning stage
there as well but there's a 16 12 acre

1237
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:13,199
parcel to the west of this property
across Adams just north of Birwood where

1238
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:19,600
there's a development proposal being uh
entertained by Oakbrook at this time and

1239
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:26,080
uh it's uh it's It's eight um Oakbrook
R1 lots that are being asked for. They

1240
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:29,120
are asking for a variance and um I also
think it's savvy on the part of a

1241
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:33,840
developer to go in and not ask for
variance because the second you open ask

1242
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:39,280
for a variance, you open Pandora's box
in terms of other things that people can

1243
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:43,840
can come at you with. But two acres of
that 16 and a half in the pro plan

1244
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:49,280
that's proposed are dedicated to uh to
uh retention ponds. And my I understand

1245
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:54,880
that the plan is to vent those to
release those to the other side of a of

1246
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:59,040
atoms. So this is all very complicated
and very interconnected. And with all

1247
01:28:56,639 --> 01:29:02,880
due respect to to uh storm water
management engineers, I don't think

1248
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:06,719
there's a natural phenomenon in the
urban world that's more poorly

1249
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:13,840
understood than underwater uh
underground water movement. And u so

1250
01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:18,000
it's just um it's a very very uh fraught
and delicate area.

1251
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:22,880
Um,
I think that was basically it. I'm a

1252
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:28,400
little bit concerned about the parking
issue since the IBLP property has been

1253
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:34,800
vacated. Um, some of you may know
there's been a little bit of a problem

1254
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:38,639
with uh un unauthorized u activity on
that property. There was this summer

1255
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:43,120
there have been a lot of kids in the uh
condemned buildings. Um police have

1256
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:48,719
Hinsdale police have been called on a
number of occasions and uh those people

1257
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:54,400
have all parked on Birwood Road and
they're going to use those side roads

1258
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:59,440
off of uh Adams uh for parking. And so
I'd really um I like Dan Heammer's idea

1259
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:04,000
and one thing that uh Hinsdale could do
is is is buy that lot and make it

1260
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:10,159
parking for this park. Um there would be
a tremendous amount of logic to that. Um

1261
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:15,360
but uh uh parking on the side streets is
is of concern.

1262
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:18,880
Um I think that's maybe you've raised a
lot of really really good issues. It's

1263
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:26,800
been a very uh a very thorough
examination. Um again traffic is u

1264
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:30,719
it's hard to see how that problem is
really going to be sol soluble. Um

1265
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:34,159
although I do think that it's more
logical probably uh if ID do needs to

1266
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:39,840
take property it would be more logical
to take it from the west side of uh of

1267
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:46,000
Adams than from the east side. Um but
it's uh it's a real dilemma because I ID

1268
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:51,199
dot is not going to signal that Adam's
uh intersection and uh there's there's

1269
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:56,080
there's no
uh even even with a dedicated left turn

1270
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:59,679
lane and my wife made this comment
earlier today. If there's a dedicated

1271
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:04,639
left turn lane, traffic is still going
to back up from that intersection and

1272
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:10,239
they're going to block access uh egress,
if you will, from the culde-sac road.

1273
01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:14,719
So, it's going to be difficult for
residents of that culde-sac road to exit

1274
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:18,719
onto Adams even other than to exit and
go right and go up to Spring and then do

1275
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:22,719
what they need to do. So, there are a
lot of issues to be uh carefully

1276
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:28,159
considered. I agree with Dan. We've come
a long way from the proposal that we

1277
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:34,159
looked at five years ago now, I believe.
>> Um, time flies. A few of you were here

1278
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:38,400
then, I remember. Um, and um, so
hopefully we can it would be nice if I

1279
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:42,239
agree with the comment that that the
density is a problem on the north end

1280
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:47,679
that some of those there's maybe more
lots there than should be there. Um I I

1281
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,880
I I have to believe that the applicant
has made a good faith e e e e e e e e e

1282
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,400
e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e
e e e e e e e e e e e effort to balance

1283
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:57,280
those concerns with the economic
viability of the of the project. So if

1284
01:31:55,360 --> 01:32:02,560
seven is number seven's number, I would
have hoped uh that there had been a more

1285
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:06,719
elegant solution to placing those
houses. There are really two logical

1286
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:11,520
buildable areas on this property.
They're the high spots just north of

1287
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:17,120
Ogden and at the very north end of this
property. And if if the parcels had been

1288
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:21,520
able to be located on that high ground
looking down, it would have perhaps

1289
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:26,800
involved some terracing. But um but to
have seven lots all individually coming

1290
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:31,040
down onto Adams Avenue driveways coming
down and as you uh know from walking

1291
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:38,080
that that's right at the bottom of a
hill and um people drive much faster

1292
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:42,480
than the 30 mph speed limit on Adams
coming over that hill. So I think there

1293
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:46,800
safety issues there and at a minimum the
speed limit on Adams needs to come down

1294
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:51,600
to the speed limit on Madison which is
25. I I haven't understood for a long

1295
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:55,520
time why Adams has been at 30 and
Madison at 25 but uh so that's all I've

1296
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:59,320
got. Thanks.
>> Thank you.

1297
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:59,320
» Thank you very much.

1298
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:11,840
» Hi Eric missile through Chevel Drive. We
are the property. It looks onto uh the

1299
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:14,800
big uh commercial building. Our property
will look when you look to the left

1300
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:17,760
right onto this property.
>> Okay.

1301
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,360
» You're on the south side of Chiovel.
>> Yes.

1302
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:24,960
» Okay.
>> Um it comes down to a couple fundamental

1303
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:30,960
issues here, guys. Let's talk water.
That lake is a solution to a bigger

1304
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:35,920
community problem. Start with the water
on the south side of Ogden. Go look at

1305
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:40,159
that culvert that goes under the uh IBLP
building. That's a bottleneck that

1306
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:44,400
causes flooding that flows into the
creek that flows into here. We're

1307
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:50,080
looking at a big commercial building for
redoing IBLP. Bad idea. We oppose it

1308
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:56,159
since opinions have been stated that's
going to drain into here.

1309
01:33:53,120 --> 01:34:00,080
How deep is this lake and creek?
Two feet. I might not have measured it.

1310
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:05,199
I've lived around there long enough and
fish there. It's about two feet deep.

1311
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:08,320
it's full. That that is the solution to
a lot of the flooding problems. I know

1312
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:14,239
it takes money. I know it's going to
hurt your project, but that's the

1313
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:18,880
answer. Um I I would really and again I
get the DuPage County overseas, not this

1314
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:21,880
board, but that's how how to fix it.
traffic

1315
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:32,719
Ogden and Adams is not conducive for
the Brian redevelopment

1316
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:37,600
that was uh abandoned a couple years ago
or what is being regurgitated uh

1317
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:41,679
allegedly now. That's not the right
solution for the property. You're going

1318
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:46,880
to have eight new homes going up that
IBLP sold north of Birwood. You're going

1319
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:51,199
to have 19 homes here if I'm doing the
math right. Could I ask on the on those

1320
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:55,040
homes? Is that going from Birchwood the
open area into the woods or is it

1321
01:34:53,360 --> 01:35:00,000
starting at the top of the hill?
>> It's south of Deer Park and it will go

1322
01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:02,560
west will be the street will be east
west from what was presented to the

1323
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:08,000
village of Oakbrook.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

1324
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:12,560
» So you all a sudden you're going to have
30 new homes around here. That's going

1325
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:20,000
to be a lot of traffic plus what you're
going to put into the west.

1326
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:24,320
And my opinion is that should be R2.
IBLP has carved up and started trading

1327
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:28,159
off individually and no one's looking at
this collectively.

1328
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:32,239
You know, this is something if we go
back 30 years ago, Bob and Sharon, I

1329
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:37,520
think you you bought that 30 years ago
when BLP wanted to develop hotels and it

1330
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:41,280
was a a broader issue. The communities
need to collaborate here, too.

1331
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:44,800
I'm certain there's discussions behind
the scenes. I don't know what has but I

1332
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:48,880
would really encourage Oakrook and
Hinsdale to work collectively together

1333
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:53,400
for a good solution.
>> Thank you.

1334
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:53,400
» Great. Thank you very much.

1335
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:57,080
» Yes sir.

1336
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:11,199
» Hi Steve Carlson 16 Bonnie Bray. Just
briefly, I think the point was very well

1337
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:19,520
made that expecting this HOA with maybe
19 homes to financially and otherwise

1338
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:25,199
take care of that open land is just a
major problem in the making a disaster

1339
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:31,120
waiting to happen. uh if for whatever
reason if Hinsdale parks do not feel

1340
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:34,960
like they could take that land I would
hope there would be some conversation

1341
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:40,320
with county because a lot of people
don't realize it but at county has a

1342
01:36:38,639 --> 01:36:46,719
small parcel at the west end of
Birchwood which is actually designated

1343
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:51,040
as Brush Hill Forest Preserve so it
would be great to have it part of

1344
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:55,679
Hinsdale Parks if that doesn't work
really explore if it could county land

1345
01:36:53,920 --> 01:37:01,119
because again I think expecting this
private entity to take care of something

1346
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:05,880
like that is just not going to happen.
Thank you.

1347
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:05,880
» Great. Thank you sir.

1348
01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:24,159
» My name is Sharon Lren and I live in
Oakrook at 102 Birwood Road and I just I

1349
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:31,679
want to make one comment. I've been
listening. There's been some very good

1350
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:36,239
comments and um points made. Um however,
everybody's talking about water and it

1351
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:42,000
being a problem. And then everybody's
talking about oh well, we need

1352
01:37:38,719 --> 01:37:46,239
sidewalks. We need all these things.
Okay.

1353
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:53,679
Drive down
um Adams Road and look to the west. You

1354
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:58,800
don't see any sidewalks. You don't see
any street lights. And you keep going

1355
01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:03,920
down Adams. There's no sidewalks. And
there's no street lights. And there's no

1356
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:10,800
dead elderly people. And there's no
elderly people just walk hobbling

1357
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:18,800
around. Okay? You have to think of the
area. The area is called Fullersburg

1358
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:25,600
Woods. Okay? the more concrete you put
in that area with sidewalks and um

1359
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:30,159
everything, okay, it's not permeable.
You're going to cause more water

1360
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:38,560
problems, which you're arguing that you
want to solve. So, I think there's um um

1361
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:45,560
this is not downtown Hensdale.
This is Fullersburg Woods. Thank you.

1362
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,560
» Thank you.

1363
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:59,440
Hi, I'm Patty Bellwock and I live over
on Canterbury Court over I've lived on

1364
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:03,360
the west side, I've lived on the south
side and now I live in like what I said

1365
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:07,360
it's like living in Hayward, Wisconsin.
It's beautiful and thank you for all

1366
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:11,119
you're doing here. This is a lot of
work. I see it. The only thing I was

1367
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:16,239
talking about or came to talk about and
I did talk with one of the guys ahead of

1368
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:20,480
time um because when we they asked us to
come and kind of take a mini vote on

1369
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:24,239
when they were talking about putting the
nine homes or whatever they were doing

1370
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:28,159
in there a year ago or two years ago and
I said my only request was about the

1371
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:32,639
safety and you've all talked about it
because it's changed. I've been over

1372
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:37,920
here 22 years now and it's changed so um
you know up and down um our street

1373
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:40,800
Madison and especially in the last year
there have been four major homes at the

1374
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:44,080
north end that have been built. You
could barely because if you go over to

1375
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:48,800
walk in the woods, you know, over at
Fullersburg, you can barely turn around

1376
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:52,560
because three huge trucks were at each
house almost, you know, and that's kids

1377
01:39:50,719 --> 01:39:56,320
are around there now, too. And then now
when we build this, it's the same thing.

1378
01:39:54,320 --> 01:40:02,400
And it's fine, but we just were
concerned about they had said that they

1379
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:08,080
were going to exit or in um the intro
and exit would be on Adams, you know,

1380
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:11,360
rather than on um Madison because we've
got so many. And then with Salt Creek

1381
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:14,080
Club in the summer, the kids are running
up and down there and everything. And

1382
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:17,920
then in the winter, you would be
surprised or those that are there know

1383
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:21,920
that the bus loads come those first
couple of blocks have a lot of many

1384
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:25,040
kids. Even Canterbury Court has about I
would say eight kids under the age of

1385
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:28,400
five now. And you know, and everybody
thinks it's all mostly older people over

1386
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:31,840
there, but there are a lot of younger
people. So, I'm just saying we were

1387
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:34,880
concerned and I really just wanted to
talk about it. And then he was nice

1388
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:38,880
enough to talk about it with me before
the meeting and he assured me that

1389
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:42,480
that's the way it was going to stand. So
I and I just thank you for all you've

1390
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:45,280
done and that you're doing with your
time and effort. Thank you.

1391
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:48,600
» That's it.
>> Thank you, ma'am.

1392
01:40:56,239 --> 01:41:01,679
» My name is Bonnie Brown and I live at
541 Bonnie Bray. All

1393
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:04,320
» right. [laughter] We'll get through
that.

1394
01:41:02,719 --> 01:41:06,000
» You like it your name when you saw the
house?

1395
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:10,000
» It started with the home inspector
before I even go out the place.

1396
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:14,639
Uh, my questions might be a little more
specific than a lot of them have be

1397
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:21,360
been. Just so I've got it on the record,
the culde-sac will never connect to

1398
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:24,639
Bonnie Bray Road. Is that a yes answer
to that? That is not part of the plan.

1399
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:29,280
» That is correct.
>> Correct. That is correct.

1400
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:32,000
» Okay. How about a walking path? Because
>> there is no path proposed.

1401
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:36,800
» No, there is no pathway. Okay. Because
we don't want to become the parking lot

1402
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:42,000
for the park either. Um, they addressed
the sidewalk all the way around the you

1403
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:45,679
you could walk all the way around and
they didn't mention the east side of the

1404
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:50,719
property except for a head wall. Does
that head wall go the entire length of

1405
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:54,719
the development or
>> just at the culvert just where the

1406
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:56,480
street where the creek goes underneath
Adams?

1407
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:58,800
» Oh, all right. Okay.
>> Just so there's width there to put a

1408
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:02,800
sidewalk in.
>> Okay. So then there is there a sidewalk

1409
01:42:00,639 --> 01:42:07,600
through because he his exact words were
that you could walk all the way around

1410
01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:12,960
and that so there will be a sidewalk the
rest of the way on the east side also.

1411
01:42:10,719 --> 01:42:16,239
» No west sidewalk.
>> No on the east side. On the east side

1412
01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:18,400
that's that faces up towards Bonnie
Bray.

1413
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:21,920
» No, there's no sidewalk.
>> There's no sidewalk there. Okay.

1414
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:24,239
» Along the around the culde-sac there's a
sidewalk mean

1415
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:28,880
» Okay. Just a circle around the
culde-sac. Yes. But not the entire east

1416
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:32,800
side of the development. Okay. Um, you
mentioned street lights and said you

1417
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:36,159
were going to fix the existing, but will
you be adding street lights in the

1418
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:39,199
culde-sac?
>> Yes, they are required to by village

1419
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:42,719
code.
>> Okay. Because we don't have them on

1420
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:49,760
Bonnie Bray. So, we have our nice
darkness. We get to see the um and the

1421
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:54,639
only other comment was just I what made
my hair stand on N was when they said

1422
01:42:52,159 --> 01:43:00,000
lots 13 and 14 in the flood plane,
they'll just move dirt to get it off the

1423
01:42:56,480 --> 01:43:03,199
flood plane. That was a little worrisome
of where that water water would go.

1424
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:06,440
Thank you.
>> Thanks, Bonnie.

1425
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:20,960
Anyone else like to speak on the matter?
Great. Thank you. I appreciate your

1426
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:27,400
input. It's very helpful.
Commissioners, other questions or

1427
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:27,400
comments, discussion?

1428
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:35,520
Okay, hearing that. Um, I'll have a vote
to close the public hearing.

1429
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:38,080
» Krillinberger still motions. We have a
second.

1430
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:40,800
» Second. More.
>> Roll call vote, please. Bethany.

1431
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,080
» Commissioner Harlo.
>> I.

1432
01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:43,520
» Commissioner Curry.
>> I.

1433
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:47,119
» Commissioner Krillinberger.
>> I.

1434
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:50,800
» Commissioner Cernovich
to close the public.

1435
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:55,119
» No, I'm
>> Commissioner.

1436
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,119
» You want to keep it open, huh?

1437
01:43:55,360 --> 01:44:00,239
Commissioner, did we did we make a vote?
Commissioner Cernovich.

1438
01:43:58,719 --> 01:44:02,960
» Um, I'm just wondering we should have
some more discussion before

1439
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:06,480
» we're going to have discussion just
closes the public hearing.

1440
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:09,040
» Okay. Can we reopen it if needed?
>> Why would you want to do that?

1441
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,960
» Are there additional comments and
questions?

1442
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:13,520
» I would like to have some more
information before we take the vote.

1443
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:16,400
» Okay.
>> Well, yeah, we're going to

1444
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:19,199
» we're going to talk this as close as the
public

1445
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:21,280
» this, but it could be Okay.
>> Yes.

1446
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:24,719
» Are there additional are there
additional questions for the applicant?

1447
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:30,159
We can we can leave the public hearing.
>> No, but I I guess I would I would prefer

1448
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:38,239
a lot of things are kind of vague. I
would like to have some answers

1449
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:42,600
continue the public hearing. Um I feel
like they still have some work to do.

1450
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:49,280
Um
I would like to see them reach out to

1451
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:53,280
Shipo for one. Uh we had a lot of
questions more questions about flooding.

1452
01:44:51,760 --> 01:45:01,280
Um
I I I'd like more details about the

1453
01:44:56,480 --> 01:45:05,760
plan. I don't know how others feel.
>> The issue is do we close the public part

1454
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:08,639
of the meeting and then can we address
those if if we close the meeting or not?

1455
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:11,119
» Oh yeah.
>> Or if we continue.

1456
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:12,960
» I just want to make sure that that
>> yes

1457
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:16,320
» both can be done.
>> Thank you Scott. Okay.

1458
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:19,119
» If we have questions we can still reach
out and questions can be

1459
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:23,600
» Yes. To the applicant. Yes.
>> Okay. My recommendation is that if this

1460
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:26,639
is continued to a future public hearing,
we do not close the public hearing.

1461
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:30,080
» There you go.
>> Yeah, there you go.

1462
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:34,800
» So
>> maybe we should talk about where

1463
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:38,080
» where people sit and what the thoughts
are because we could continue.

1464
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:42,159
» Okay.
>> I just feel, you know, this is a very

1465
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:48,000
special area.
Um there's a lot to consider.

1466
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:53,040
I don't feel that there's a need to rush
through this. I appreciate all the hard

1467
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:58,880
work you've done over the past year or
so. Um, but I feel that there's still

1468
01:45:55,840 --> 01:46:05,840
questions and I think we should do it
right. Take our time before this move

1469
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:09,760
would move on to the board of trustees
>> like specific questions.

1470
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:14,560
» Um,
a lot of questions that came up to us.

1471
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:18,880
Um, well my I would like to have a ship
overview for one. Um I think there's

1472
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:23,679
been a lot of discussion about
sidewalks.

1473
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:29,840
Um traffic
um the traffic study we had

1474
01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:33,520
was quite different than the one we had
gotten from Ryan which was

1475
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,760
» because the loads are different.
>> Well the loads are different.

1476
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:40,560
» This is 19 houses
>> but um

1477
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:45,520
» you you study a million times there be
that's the loads. It's it's published

1478
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:50,639
data. Well, but I'm I think we need to
like several people brought up, we need

1479
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:55,760
to look at the whole area and whole it
like both both developments.

1480
01:46:52,719 --> 01:47:01,920
» We can't I mean this is a co-compliant
subdivision application. We can't tie it

1481
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:03,199
to some other
unknown.

1482
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:06,480
» Okay?
>> You know what I mean? Like it'd be like

1483
01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:08,880
you trying to develop a house and
they're like, "Well, we're not going to

1484
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:12,960
give you approval on the house until
your neighbor, you know, develops his

1485
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:16,800
house." I mean, if it In fact, when we
did the Ryan, they were developing the

1486
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:21,360
entire thing. So, it was it was
inherent. It was went all the way from

1487
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:26,560
Madison to to 83. So, that was all and
made it it was complicated, but it was

1488
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:30,719
one project. This is different in that,
you know, that McNotton developed those

1489
01:47:28,639 --> 01:47:36,080
series of houses off of Madison. That's,
you know, one piece that's done. This is

1490
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:38,400
then the the east side of Adams. It's a
subdivision project.

1491
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:42,080
» Yes.
>> The big unknown is the west side. And I

1492
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:44,960
don't I don't know what it could end up
being and nothing ever happens. It's

1493
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,719
going to be in our two houses,
>> right?

1494
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:50,639
» You just don't know. There's no way of
knowing.

1495
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:53,840
» Well, another question I had um there
are quite a few questions about who's

1496
01:47:52,719 --> 01:47:56,480
going to maintain.
>> I mean, I think that's I mean, that's

1497
01:47:55,040 --> 01:48:01,600
one that I I think
>> so I have a list of things.

1498
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:05,600
» It's code compliant, but we are making a
map amendment with respect to the OS and

1499
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:08,480
I want to make a map amendment in the
right direction from a maintenance

1500
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:11,760
perspective. Yeah, I think that I think
those have been really good points.

1501
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:16,560
Well, I mean to your point is should it
be should we recommend that the to the

1502
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:19,360
board that the village buys this? Are we
being like, you know, pennies are

1503
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:22,239
foolish?
>> Yeah, we need to explore options. I

1504
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:26,080
mean, I think the gentleman brought up
the the county there's con, you know,

1505
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:30,320
there's there's partners that we could
pull in conservation foundation to

1506
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:34,880
explore this. I I think that needs to be
explored way more than it and no offense

1507
01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:38,800
to the village staff, but I think
>> we are missing an opportunity to get

1508
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:42,639
this in the public trust where it's
going to likely end up anyways. I mean,

1509
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:46,080
I know when this started, I was hoping
that this was going to be a public park,

1510
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:50,480
you know, owned by
>> and then, you know, this other concept

1511
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:56,340
and I was curious on what's the stance,
>> but the maintenance aspect is a really

1512
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:58,960
important issue. I mean I I
[clears throat] mean that was a creek

1513
01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:03,360
back in the day.
>> It's a baselike principle. Put the dams

1514
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:07,840
in made the this shallow pond
>> that and it likely could become a

1515
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:11,600
liability to an HOA too from it being
damned up if there's you know I mean we

1516
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:15,119
just took out the Grom mill
>> um dam you know that from a water

1517
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:19,199
quality perspective. Not going to go
down that rabbit hole but it could

1518
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:22,880
become a liability from a a maintenance
of I I believe that's damned up down in

1519
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,760
the cemetery.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They have a couple dams. So,

1520
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:30,320
it's just something that needs to be
explored more of because all of that

1521
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:35,280
that you're putting on a HOA, like I
said, in my line of work, I've seen

1522
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:37,920
» a homeowner associations can't even take
care of the detention bonds in some

1523
01:49:36,719 --> 01:49:42,679
communities and and
>> I can't imagine what those HOF fees

1524
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:42,679
would be.

1525
01:49:42,719 --> 01:49:48,159
» That's part of it because if the village
if the village is saying they don't want

1526
01:49:46,639 --> 01:49:52,000
to maintain it because it's too
expensive,

1527
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:54,239
» how why would an HOA want to assume
that?

1528
01:49:52,639 --> 01:49:56,159
» Okay. and then the liability.
>> Right.

1529
01:49:54,639 --> 01:50:00,080
» Right. So, you've got both of those
issues that an HOA is going to have to

1530
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:03,679
take care of. If this if we had thought
about this, the re the reason it's zoned

1531
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:07,840
what it's zoned now,
>> right?

1532
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:12,320
» You can't build on wetlands. So, it
never should have been zoned R2 to begin

1533
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:16,239
with, right? In other words, you can't
build a house. You can't build it.

1534
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:20,719
» So, it should have been public lands or
public property to start with. It just

1535
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:25,679
wasn't because it was bulk area.
So now

1536
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:29,760
we're tied up with these gentlemen on
their project and thinking about this,

1537
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:33,360
but
I don't know that the HOA thing I think

1538
01:50:31,679 --> 01:50:38,320
I think you raised a really good point
and and Bethany, you're already saying

1539
01:50:35,679 --> 01:50:43,600
that the village has looked at this and
is kind of going maybe not. I mean,

1540
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:48,719
could that be revisited by them and and
a plan put together where they could

1541
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:52,560
accept it? And if not, then we start to
explore other partners, right?

1542
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:55,440
» Um,
>> yeah. I mean, like the

1543
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:58,960
» but this is like the big part of
actually what the charge is before us.

1544
01:50:57,679 --> 01:51:04,800
» I mean, it's fascinating to know that
the Duke bount forest preserve district

1545
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:09,520
has land west of this, you know, down
one, you know, and, you know,

1546
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:14,239
Fullersburg Woods is a great asset for
the entire community and it's great to

1547
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:18,480
have that that park land and forest
preserve land there. You know, maybe

1548
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:21,679
this maybe there is if it's not
Hinsdale, maybe it is the forest

1549
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:24,960
preserve district.
>> I feel the village is going to

1550
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:28,400
ultimately get all the responsibility of
pleasing this area, ensuring

1551
01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:30,960
maintenance, all the benefit of not
getting the land. Yes.

1552
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:36,159
» Or all the challenges. Yes.
>> With a property but not by not having

1553
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:39,760
the land and so why go through all
burden if we don't explore the

1554
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:44,320
opportunity to get the land.
>> So is this a question for the applicant?

1555
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:49,040
» No, I think this is more a question for
the Well, but no, if it's a if a

1556
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:54,000
homeowners uh if the homeowners
association fees are going to be $10,000

1557
01:51:52,000 --> 01:52:00,480
a month,
>> that's just an absurd amount. I hope

1558
01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:05,920
» um does that sully the project and and
again this is a market

1559
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:10,320
» thing. It's I don't think it's up to us
to say the homeowners association fees

1560
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:15,040
are going to be too much. No, no, but
but it's part of our package in the

1561
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:21,040
covenants and restrictions and I my
opinion is I don't like how they are set

1562
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:22,080
up for in my opinion they're set up for
failure.

1563
01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:25,040
» I agree.
>> Well, and I think this is much more

1564
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:26,880
complicated than a detention pie.
>> Yes, it is.

1565
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:30,880
» I mean, this is a waterway.
>> Yeah. To the to the resident's point,

1566
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:34,639
but people who are moving into this want
to be near this park. I think it's an

1567
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:38,960
amenity,
>> not a liability. And

1568
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:42,639
» it's going to be maintained. It sounds
like it's going to be maintained in a

1569
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:48,239
way that is and I I don't know I don't
know nothing about know nothing about

1570
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:57,119
nothing but in a way that is more open
and free and uh original prairie sort

1571
01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:59,199
rather than uh the palace at Versailles.
>> I mean

1572
01:52:57,599 --> 01:53:02,880
» so maybe there's some maybe it's going
to be less expensive.

1573
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:07,040
» I mean that goes to your point
Commissioner Harlo. I mean there isn't a

1574
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:09,360
plan for what it's to be maintained to.
Um

1575
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:13,360
» it's kind of a plan. We were told it's
going to be open lands.

1576
01:53:11,599 --> 01:53:17,440
» That's a lot of different definitions to
that plan.

1577
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:21,360
» They're on for example on the south side
of the water feature that will

1578
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:26,400
essentially be people's backyards that
are I mean I guessing it'll probably be

1579
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:30,639
mowed up to the edge and accessible. Is
that truly part of the park too? you

1580
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:34,800
know, some things I just think it
>> it would need the benefit of maybe

1581
01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:39,040
exploring this more is also then looking
at a little bit more comprehensive what

1582
01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:41,599
does the park look like from a use
perspective.

1583
01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:45,119
» Well, then that's is that a matter of
continuing and asking that question?

1584
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:49,280
» Well, and asking the village I mean
that's where I mean the idea continuing

1585
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:52,480
and asking the village to really
investigate this more

1586
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:55,360
» and ultimately that's a village board
decision.

1587
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:59,199
» So that ultimately that decision would
be a village board decision. So clearly

1588
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:03,360
there could be a recommendation to move
this forward with the village board to

1589
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:08,320
consider those as options.
>> Um I do want to make it um at least put

1590
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:13,040
it on the record that about a year ago
we the village did contact the DW page

1591
01:54:10,639 --> 01:54:16,000
county forest preserve just to see you
know based on the budget discussions of

1592
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:20,639
would they be open to this land
acquisition. Um, according to our

1593
01:54:18,719 --> 01:54:24,000
discussions with them, their policy is
that they only will accept land that

1594
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:28,639
would be adjacent to land they already
exist and there is no direct adjacent

1595
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:32,960
land. So at that time when we had
reached out to them, they were not

1596
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:36,480
interested in the parkland um aspect. We
could of course circle back with them

1597
01:54:34,639 --> 01:54:41,599
but that was the policy decision at the
time that they had informed the village.

1598
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:45,920
» I appreciate everything that the
applicants have given us and I really

1599
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:49,760
appreciate village staff. You know,
Bethany, as I always remind you, I no

1600
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:55,040
longer have to bring my zoning code book
with to meetings and you take care of a

1601
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:58,719
lot of the issues before it even gets to
us. But, um,

1602
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:01,920
» I just think that the meeting needs to
be continued to explore some other

1603
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:07,159
options.
>> Um, take our time, do this, right?

1604
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:14,239
Bethany, can I ask you a question? If
you know or anyone else is remembering

1605
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:19,440
when the woodlands was developed,
clearly different than the village of

1606
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:24,639
Hinsdale. No sidewalks, rolling hills,
there's been water issues there. Uh that

1607
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:30,239
was looked at differently. Why were
there no reasons to ask that development

1608
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:34,719
to have sidewalks? How was that looked
at differently? Because I look at this

1609
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:39,199
property as the same type of environment
as the woodlands.

1610
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:42,400
» I have the answer. Actually, our our
expert historian might know the

1611
01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:46,000
development of the woodlands better, but
it's my understanding that part of that

1612
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:50,239
was even maybe not even developed in
Hindale and annexed in later.

1613
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:53,599
» It was,
but then when they did the storm water

1614
01:55:51,599 --> 01:55:56,639
improvements, there was a special and
then there were significant village

1615
01:55:54,960 --> 01:56:00,159
storm water improvements later on,
>> but they were never required to put

1616
01:55:58,159 --> 01:56:02,880
sidewalks or make it look like ones. No,
but they had to chip in. When the storm

1617
01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:04,320
water improvements were made, they had
to pay,

1618
01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:06,960
» right?
>> The residents of

1619
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:11,599
» something.
>> We both paid those SSAs

1620
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:17,199
» when the storm we both paid those when
>> we paid those. Oh, yes, we did.

1621
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:20,560
» Yes.
>> So, I mean the I think there's a few

1622
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:25,040
issues that kind of boil to the top.
It's first the part the this open space.

1623
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:28,960
Should it be owned by the village or
should it be private and with public

1624
01:56:26,639 --> 01:56:34,719
access? I think that's a big question
and I my con idea there's a consensus

1625
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:40,560
here that the commissioners would like
it to be publicly like owned by Hinsdale

1626
01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:44,320
so it could be maintained prop that's
>> because I do think I mean

1627
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:50,000
» that is not on the table.
>> Yes it's a map my opin it's we're m

1628
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:53,840
being asked to review a map amendment
right with respect to going from R2 to

1629
01:56:52,719 --> 01:56:58,880
open space
>> I think we have a clear how the open

1630
01:56:56,159 --> 01:57:02,320
space is set up not
>> set up but owned is a whole different

1631
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:03,599
thing. You're not offering it to the
village.

1632
01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:05,199
» No,
>> I don't know whether

1633
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:08,320
» aren't we?
>> No, this is that's not on the table. The

1634
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:10,880
the offer is the offer.
>> That'd be a good place. Come on. Thank

1635
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:15,040
you.
>> Yeah. So, we were offering it to the

1636
01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:17,599
village.
>> That's what I thought.

1637
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:24,159
» Yes. 100%. We were offering it to the
village. Yes, we we Yes, we

1638
01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:27,920
said no. I mean from from this meeting
obviously things have changed a little

1639
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:31,440
bit but we you want you want to answer
this?

1640
01:57:28,159 --> 01:57:34,080
» Yeah. John Pemrook swearing construction
here.

1641
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:38,800
» Yeah. I appreciate everybody's time and
everybody's putting a lot of effort into

1642
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:43,920
this. But we've been back and forth for
two years on this now. So there's many

1643
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:49,440
phases have gone through this. So we did
offer this to the village. They refused

1644
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:54,400
it. They said they couldn't afford it.
So we said we take it over because I've

1645
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:59,520
been at this racket for 45 years. So
I've built about 600 customuilt homes.

1646
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:04,719
These homes that are going to go in
these lots are about4 to5 million.

1647
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:09,520
Okay. So we're talking here tonight
saying these each house here going to be

1648
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:14,400
4 to 5 million on the top side. On the
bottom side is about two and a half to

1649
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:22,159
three million. Now we're talking about
that they can't afford to maintain this

1650
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:27,199
property. I just me put 45 years of I
disagree and but that's just me because

1651
01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:31,040
I've never seen that on that quality.
Now if you're in a different situation

1652
01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:37,199
but we're maintaining I'm maintaining it
for the last two years and the cost that

1653
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:42,960
I can do it for and that the village
could do it for this is a whole

1654
01:58:39,679 --> 01:58:47,136
difference because we have our numbers
really fine-tuned

1655
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:51,360
and we have to have that. So
[clears throat] we're talking about I've

1656
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:56,960
you know I understand you're looking at
this and saying well but we've there's

1657
01:58:54,080 --> 01:59:02,320
two years of discussion here and
Hensdale refused it. That's what I would

1658
01:59:00,159 --> 01:59:09,760
that's what we were told that Hensdale
did not want to do this. So it's that's

1659
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:13,199
why we've gone this route public private
can we hold for just a sec now. Was that

1660
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:17,440
on the staff level or on the village
board level? So the the when this was

1661
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:20,800
brought up, the village the village
staff expressed concerns and there were

1662
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:24,000
also some elected and appointed
officials involved that were in

1663
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:27,840
discussion about preliminary budget
numbers that was brought back to the

1664
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:32,320
applicant that there there are budget
concerns and then they have decided to

1665
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:36,639
make it private. So [clears throat] the
the the initial and budget analyses were

1666
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:40,400
done but it wasn't by all any means
conclusive. Again, this can be a

1667
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:44,560
recommendation from the plan commission
for the village board to consider this,

1668
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:48,239
but that would need additional time for
additional review of what those costs

1669
01:59:46,239 --> 01:59:52,960
would be the village and the villages.
The trustees are ultimately the budget

1670
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:56,320
makers. So, if if there was an ability
to look at what those long-term

1671
01:59:54,159 --> 01:59:59,920
maintenance costs would be, um that's
something that can be done at the next

1672
01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:04,080
stage as well. I think it might also be
helpful for the village engineer, the

1673
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:08,960
the engineer for the applicant to come
up and kind of talk through what the

1674
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:12,320
historic IDNR resource, you know, and
review process looks like. And I think

1675
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:16,239
it would also be good for him to kind of
go through with everyone of what's

1676
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:19,760
required with DuPage County for a storm
water maintenance plan on a private side

1677
02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:22,800
because there will be some of those
maintenance items built in. They're

1678
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:25,760
typically not something that's brought
forward with the plan commission packet

1679
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:30,159
and they're done as part of that DuPage
County review. But I also think that

1680
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:34,400
there is an ability to add in with our
HOA documents or if this does say

1681
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:39,040
privately owned and maintained for
additional maintenance, you know, plans

1682
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:42,418
to be put in place. So
>> So are we talking acquisition costs of

1683
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:44,880
the land and then maintenance of the
[clears throat] land?

1684
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:48,159
» Yes. There's always Well, and and in
this particular case, they could choose

1685
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:50,960
to donate the land to the village as
part of the subdivision process,

1686
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:54,639
» public benefit.
>> Yes. As part of that.

1687
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:58,000
» So those are on the table.
>> No, they've not been offered. they well

1688
02:00:56,320 --> 02:01:00,400
they've been offered and declined so
it's not on the offer.

1689
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:03,440
» I think it's important to recognize I
think there's some frustrations that

1690
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:06,800
there's professionals that have been
working on this a really long time but

1691
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:10,320
this is really the first time we've seen
or heard of any of it. So, for us to ask

1692
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:14,400
these questions, I think are really
important because we're the lay people

1693
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:19,040
and professionals that are, you know,
volunteering to do this. And I think um,

1694
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:20,400
you know, our question should be
addressed

1695
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:24,480
» without a doubt.
>> And to be to be clear, the the land has

1696
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:29,440
not been declined by the village. That's
a decision that's done by the village

1697
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:33,199
board. So, the proposal has come forward
based on concerns by that were brought

1698
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:36,400
up in discussions with the applicant and
staff that there are budgetary concerns

1699
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:40,239
with long-term maintenance on the
villages side. At the end of the day,

1700
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:44,000
it's always been clear that the village
board has to decide should they take the

1701
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:48,080
land or should it be privately owned and
maintained, right? And the applicant has

1702
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:51,520
chosen to go the easy route of trying to
make it privately owned and maintained

1703
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:54,159
for further budget discussions.
>> And I think we got some useful

1704
02:01:52,719 --> 02:01:59,760
information here. And the these are
private property rights. So they can

1705
02:01:56,480 --> 02:02:05,920
offer it to the village or not. And 19
time $3 million is some large amount of

1706
02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:11,440
value in residential real estate to be
held by people who have means. So it

1707
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:14,080
sounds to me like there might be some
resources here to maintain this

1708
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:17,280
property.
>> Concern is John's point.

1709
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:20,880
» Yeah. No
inexpensive house.

1710
02:02:18,159 --> 02:02:25,119
» Sorry. Yeah. I I I Yeah, that's you
know, if we were talking about $500,000

1711
02:02:23,119 --> 02:02:28,719
homes, and I'm not knocking any price,
but I'm just This is my territory,

1712
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:33,520
right?
>> Um but we're not,

1713
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:37,599
» you know, the lots here are going to be
very expensive because the property was

1714
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:42,560
very expensive and to develop this
property is very expensive. So, the lots

1715
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:46,800
are expensive, but it we all we're in
Hensdale, so we all know about Hensdale

1716
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:52,880
and surrounding suburbs. The lots are
expensive anyway. So, there's been a lot

1717
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:56,960
of like, you know, uh, numbers being
crunched and this and that. So, I'm

1718
02:02:54,239 --> 02:03:02,880
saying under the seventh lots at the
northern half, they're going to be $5

1719
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:08,960
million homes. Okay?
And the southern half, there'll be any

1720
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:13,199
place with 2.5 to 3.5 million
>> on top of the land costs. on top of the

1721
02:03:11,199 --> 02:03:20,560
land costs. Like I'm doing houses right
now in Elmhurst. A 50 by190 lot is $1

1722
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:25,760
million. Now we're putting a a house on
top of that. Another 2.7.

1723
02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:31,280
That's Elmerst because I built over 400
houses in the Elmerst in the last 30

1724
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:36,880
years. So I'm just saying is
the HMO is not a problem in this. I'm

1725
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:40,960
just saying the way we've we've set it
up. But if the village wanted to take

1726
02:03:38,639 --> 02:03:46,080
this and take it over and maintain the
whole thing, but we've had discussions

1727
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:51,599
about sidewalks, the sidewalk, hence
they didn't want the cost of maintaining

1728
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:56,480
the sidewalks. I can go down the road
here with discussions and I'm not it's

1729
02:03:54,080 --> 02:04:00,960
two years of discussions here. So it's
like we're trying to say, well, we want

1730
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:05,520
to be part of this as well because I
think it's a beautiful property. I think

1731
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:10,960
anybody I always say when that I call it
a quiet park. This is my vision of a

1732
02:04:07,679 --> 02:04:14,639
quiet park. No phones, no lab, no
computers, no nothing. You sit out

1733
02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:18,960
there, you read a book, there'll be a
book stand there and all your problems

1734
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:24,000
go away. So because it's a beautiful
piece of property and I want to keep it

1735
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:29,599
as much pristined as possible but there
is a lot of engineering involved and

1736
02:04:27,599 --> 02:04:34,239
that's why we've got DuPage we've got
the engineers in Hinsdale we got this

1737
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:39,040
fine engineer here so these are all
professionals that make this all

1738
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:44,159
possible so there is restrictions on us
you know and that's the on all sorts of

1739
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:48,000
it so
I think it's a beautiful piece of

1740
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:52,239
property so I'm trying to keep it like
we're talking about wetlands and stuff

1741
02:04:49,679 --> 02:04:56,719
and maintaining it. Well, the way it's
been maintained for the last 10 years, I

1742
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:59,280
don't think it should be maintained like
that.

1743
02:04:57,760 --> 02:05:03,520
» There's a lot of this stuff that's been
cut that should go back to wetlands.

1744
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:07,840
Should go back to the natural side of
it. We're talking about when a tree

1745
02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:12,560
falls over the ground. Let the ground
take it back unless it's blocking a

1746
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:18,159
sidewalk. That's what wetlands is about.
So, we're very concerned too. I I me

1747
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:23,840
personally because I think it's a
beautiful piece of property and I want

1748
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:28,800
it maintained and as much destruction as
less as possible on that piece of

1749
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:33,119
property. So it's like we're looking at
but when we when we're discussing and

1750
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:36,960
you correct when you said this is the
first time we're looking at this and we

1751
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:43,440
we're concerned and I understand that
but on the price of the houses there I

1752
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:49,360
don't think that maintaining what's
there because anybody that's going to

1753
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:53,760
buy there is buying it for the it's just
so beautiful

1754
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:59,679
» you know it's it's just believable and
it's been there like you said for you

1755
02:05:56,239 --> 02:06:02,800
know forever and I think there's a lot
of it there that should go back to

1756
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:08,480
natural because if you look at the other
side towards Bonnie Bra has been taken

1757
02:06:05,119 --> 02:06:12,880
over and it's beautiful you know it's
just natural you know so

1758
02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:17,119
» well but one thing I was like because
right now one thing that's missing like

1759
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:23,360
just you started with the maintenance
that if if there was a a strong

1760
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:27,440
maintenance agreement and plan that made
sense okay the it's privately owned

1761
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:31,280
owned, they need to maintain it. But if
they don't, then this is what the

1762
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:34,480
repercussions are for the village. True,
which is not currently in I mean I I

1763
02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:38,719
have to go back and read these
covenants, but I don't remember reading

1764
02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:44,400
anything to that specificity about
maintaining the the park.

1765
02:06:40,639 --> 02:06:47,920
» There is they talk um about going into
the lean lean process, but it doesn't

1766
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:51,440
define what maintenance is and what are
you maintaining too. I think that's the

1767
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:56,960
part. Do you think if there was a
defined plan to like Laurel's comment

1768
02:06:53,520 --> 02:07:00,400
and yours that really did seem to cover
everything that then?

1769
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:03,119
» Yeah, I still have reservations. It's
not that not

1770
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:06,320
» that would be plan B. So plan A would be
public.

1771
02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:10,719
» Yeah. Because to with all due respect I
I get I get the funding part. I'm not

1772
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:16,000
the maybe the money will be there. It's
the actual execution of you know a

1773
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:20,639
homeowners association actually
implementing. I appreciate your your

1774
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:24,800
vision for this property, too. I mean, I
I spent a lot of time in Dean Ma Nature

1775
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:28,560
Preserve. Love that place. You know, is
there an opportunity? I think we need to

1776
02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:30,560
explore. What does it mean for this to
be a park?

1777
02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:35,599
» To your point, it hasn't been
maintained. Mowing it just to mow it

1778
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:39,440
right now, you know, and is that what is
that what the maintenance plan goes to?

1779
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:44,079
I I think you need a maintenance plan.
You need a vision to then understand

1780
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:48,079
what you're maintaining, too. Um, so I
think the open space, Jim, to your

1781
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:53,440
point, it is under our preview if we're
we're saying this goes to OS. What does

1782
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:57,840
the OS look like? Um, just like we would
say what do the houses look like when

1783
02:07:55,360 --> 02:08:02,079
it's going to R2. That's my opinion. We
have an opportunity here sitting on this

1784
02:08:00,239 --> 02:08:06,639
commission. I don't know that I want to
just toss it to a recommendation to the

1785
02:08:04,159 --> 02:08:08,960
board to consider. I think I would like
to have it a little bit vetted out so we

1786
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:12,719
could have some
>> to like Julie's point, continue it and

1787
02:08:10,719 --> 02:08:14,800
get some more study. Not that I don't
trust the [clears throat] board, I just

1788
02:08:13,599 --> 02:08:18,960
think we have the opportunity to
provide. Well, I think that would also

1789
02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:21,360
communicate to the board that we want
them to look at this again.

1790
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:25,280
» Yeah.
>> And also the water issue, you know,

1791
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:27,760
would page maybe we get an answer by
then.

1792
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:32,560
» Okay. I
>> mean getting that's that's a long

1793
02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:35,679
process. I mean storm water I'm
confident that they're going to comply

1794
02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:38,239
with the storm water premise. The county
doesn't give you you have to like the

1795
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:43,040
flood plan.
>> It's not negot negotiate. So, I think

1796
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:45,440
the storm water I'm it's more like this
open space and what's going to happen to

1797
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:49,760
it.
>> Um, and then

1798
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:53,840
you know the sidewalks, one of the
residents spoke. I mean, I guess should

1799
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:58,719
there be sidewalks? I mean, I is
interesting because I walk Adams down

1800
02:08:55,840 --> 02:09:03,920
Spring Road and there are no sidewalks
and so I walk facing traffic. If it's

1801
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:07,040
dark, I put some reflective stuff on
because I almost got a guy on a bike,

1802
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:11,360
you know, because you just it's dark. I
mean, there's no street. It's beautiful.

1803
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:14,800
I mean, you can walk up on deer and
raccoons. There's It's a really nice

1804
02:09:13,119 --> 02:09:19,440
neighborhood. Should we even have the
sidewalks along Adam? [laughter]

1805
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:22,719
» I think you should connect the two the
north and the south if you're going to

1806
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:25,440
have that's going to be all the same
kind of HOA. Correct. I think you

1807
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:27,760
connect them so that they
>> and maybe just leave it like

1808
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:32,400
» feel like they're in the neighborhood
and and it's not

1809
02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:37,119
» it's not like, you know, sidewalk,
>> but should the sidewalks be in the back,

1810
02:09:35,199 --> 02:09:41,360
not along Adams? you know, like
>> I think the natural path that's already

1811
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:46,000
there is kind of in in a little bit,
right? That's correct. Yeah. So, I think

1812
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:48,320
you maintain that,
>> right? But that would be different than

1813
02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:51,440
what they're showing here because
basically once they get up here, it's

1814
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:53,280
all along Adam.
>> I think it almost Oh, I see what you're

1815
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:57,360
saying.
>> Would it would it be better to follow

1816
02:09:54,880 --> 02:10:00,239
the flood plane and connect with down by
the bridge?

1817
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:04,800
» Got to stay outside of the lot line
>> and then it would have the aesthetic

1818
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:08,960
more of what that part of Fullersburg
Woods looks like. Mhm.

1819
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:10,880
» versus sidewalks along the curved line.
>> I understand what exactly you're saying.

1820
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:15,040
» Yeah.
>> And then maybe you you know you have

1821
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:18,400
because you have the head wall and you
have the connection from the culinary

1822
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:22,800
» then they get and then you still have
the connection from Madison

1823
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:25,440
» across. I guess I still back to the
gravel.

1824
02:10:23,679 --> 02:10:29,520
» I mean we got water manes under every
street in town. I mean why why do we

1825
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:34,639
care?
>> Yeah. Asphalt they can dig up and fix. I

1826
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:38,239
mean, I I just think
if we're going to make connect these

1827
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:41,679
neighborhoods, I think we should connect
them. I think it's I've been going

1828
02:10:39,679 --> 02:10:45,040
through since you bought it. It's been
great. Thank you. You know, when the

1829
02:10:43,119 --> 02:10:49,119
gates open sometimes,
>> sometimes I'll go from Madison across

1830
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:53,760
Adams, you know, can work change my
path, but um

1831
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:54,800
» it's a gravel the gravel trail is my
idea.

1832
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:58,159
» Okay.
>> Okay. I didn't want concrete.

1833
02:10:56,719 --> 02:11:03,679
» Okay. But what about
>> Yeah, but it's it's going to be a gravel

1834
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:07,920
that it's not loose gravel, but if he if
he decided, well, no, John, we disagree

1835
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:11,280
with you that it has to be a concrete
sidewalk, that's okay.

1836
02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:14,000
» But what about asphalt to match
>> orphalt? Yeah, that's the current one's

1837
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:16,800
asphalt.
>> Yeah, that's current one.

1838
02:11:15,199 --> 02:11:19,840
» I think that would kind of because I
agree. I mean, you walk through Fuller's

1839
02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:24,320
Bird Wood, especially after the recent
rainstorms, there's a lot of maintenance

1840
02:11:21,599 --> 02:11:30,000
needs. There's it's washed out quite a
bit. So I think you know even the

1841
02:11:26,639 --> 02:11:32,079
crushed limestone compacted requires a
lot of maintenance unless you have your

1842
02:11:31,119 --> 02:11:35,760
drainage.
>> Let's focus on a simple issue. Let's

1843
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:38,000
like sidewalks. I mean what are your
thoughts about that?

1844
02:11:36,639 --> 02:11:42,079
» I like what you just said a lot.
>> Not having them along on [clears throat]

1845
02:11:40,079 --> 02:11:46,000
the seven north properties instead of
having where you're showing them is

1846
02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:48,639
following more of the flood plane line.
So they go in the back.

1847
02:11:48,079 --> 02:11:53,599
» Is that possible?
>> Could be. Yeah. Like I didn't want the

1848
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:58,880
sidewalks there but it's a village. It's
a like but it's a requirement. So that

1849
02:11:57,040 --> 02:12:02,560
you know
>> well they'd still have a sidewalk per

1850
02:12:00,639 --> 02:12:05,599
se. It's just not street.
>> Yeah.

1851
02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:08,800
» Like it is right now. There's a sidewalk
right there that twists in.

1852
02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:14,400
» But I guess if I was buying one of these
properties, you know, in this seven

1853
02:12:10,719 --> 02:12:17,360
lots, would I rather people, you know,
do I want people walking in the back?

1854
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:20,656
» No.
>> You know,

1855
02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:23,040
» probably. You know,
[clears throat]

1856
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:27,840
» you know, you could you could keep like
it currently does in a way,

1857
02:12:25,199 --> 02:12:31,360
» you know, it starts by the the head wall
where you're proposing that and it goes

1858
02:12:29,679 --> 02:12:35,760
up and hits the road,
>> you know, but you could in a way like

1859
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:39,119
bring it back to Adams and just have
that, you know, through the park area,

1860
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:43,040
this open space area,
>> keep that and then eliminate the

1861
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:47,280
sidewalks, you know, along the those
seven lots, right? And then you you'd be

1862
02:12:45,520 --> 02:12:50,960
able to every because everyone walks on
Adams because there's no sidewalks. And

1863
02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:54,880
then if you did walk from Madison
across, you know, you say this is an

1864
02:12:52,639 --> 02:12:57,199
asphalt path, you could still connect
these neighborhoods together.

1865
02:12:56,239 --> 02:12:59,599
» Correct.
>> Right.

1866
02:12:57,520 --> 02:13:03,280
» It's like on the traffic study, you
know, just me personally, but you know,

1867
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:07,161
if I was living there, I would never be
making a left on Ogden, right?

1868
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:10,320
» Because I've got a brain in my head,
[laughter] you know. But I understand

1869
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:15,520
there's people out there that don't have
brain would want to stay 25 minutes and

1870
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:20,079
and make a left, you know, onto that
street. But it's like, you know, once

1871
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:24,400
you get used to it, you know, first of
all, it's too dangerous anyway with the

1872
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:26,400
traffic that's on Oden, but we can't
stop that,

1873
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:32,480
» you know.
>> But, uh, we we definitely Yeah. But like

1874
02:13:29,599 --> 02:13:36,800
we're two years at this, so working with
village staff and with everyone and this

1875
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:42,560
is where we've come to. We are open to
your suggestions for sure. Yeah. It's

1876
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:50,480
just, you know, uh it's R2 compliance,
you know, that was my big thing

1877
02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:57,280
» on this that I wanted R2 compliance.
>> Uh and I didn't want it overbuilt

1878
02:13:53,040 --> 02:14:02,639
» and I'm concerned about it be prestige
when I leave it. I want it better

1879
02:14:00,639 --> 02:14:06,000
looking than it is today. But I think
it's beautiful because like I tell

1880
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:09,679
people if you're having a stressful day
or anything, just go out there and sit

1881
02:14:08,079 --> 02:14:12,079
down for a while and just have a look
out on.

1882
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:16,320
» Yeah. No, it's beautiful. I agree.
>> You got to go back to your work again.

1883
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:18,159
» It's unique to Instale, too, to have
>> it. It's totally unique.

1884
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:22,320
» Yeah.
>> Because we have what I call like

1885
02:14:19,599 --> 02:14:23,920
manicured parks. We don't have a space
like this.

1886
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:27,760
» Yeah.
>> And I've been talking to a good few

1887
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:33,679
neighbors, especially on Madison there,
that uh are big into gardening and big

1888
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:38,719
into that. And we've had discussions
that when they hitch,

1889
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:43,920
you know, the homeowners association
would come together that my thoughts

1890
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:49,840
that there should be a gardening comm
set up to maintain it and have guidance

1891
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:54,719
and make it more beautiful. So there's a
lot of uh

1892
02:14:51,840 --> 02:15:00,239
process here to it of course but
>> you know we're here in front of you for

1893
02:14:56,960 --> 02:15:04,400
R2 you know that's you know and it's
I've heard discussions about across the

1894
02:15:02,159 --> 02:15:08,239
street which we have nothing to do with
>> uh [clears throat] whatsoever but

1895
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:12,239
» you know to me it's only hearsay right
now

1896
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:16,400
» what's it could be our two it could it
might not be developed at all right

1897
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:21,040
» you know and I understand that I do
might be involved but this is all I

1898
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:24,400
don't think it should you know he has a
vision but we don't know what is going

1899
02:15:23,520 --> 02:15:29,760
to be there
>> well John would you be if we would you

1900
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:34,960
be if we voted to continue this and then
so we gave the staff and the v the board

1901
02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:40,239
more time to consider the ownership
aspect of this what what's being

1902
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:43,040
proposed and to address any other
concerns and then

1903
02:15:41,760 --> 02:15:46,320
» sure yeah
>> we basically see in a month

1904
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:48,960
» I don't know if the village would be
able to get budget numbers turned around

1905
02:15:48,159 --> 02:15:50,320
within a month.
>> Okay. So, a couple months.

1906
02:15:50,259 --> 02:15:53,840
[clears throat]
>> Yeah. So, just be aware that this would

1907
02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:57,199
probably delay them for a significant
more time.

1908
02:15:54,560 --> 02:16:00,800
» That would be, you know, on f like
>> that's why I'm asking you.

1909
02:15:58,239 --> 02:16:05,760
» Yeah. That would be Yeah. Because Yeah.
If it was I don't mind a month at four

1910
02:16:03,119 --> 02:16:10,239
weeks, like after two two years, four
weeks. But if you said three months down

1911
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:15,360
the line, I think that's
>> Would you think in a couple months like

1912
02:16:11,599 --> 02:16:18,239
if it wasn't in um October that November
at the latest? You're talking about an

1913
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:21,760
acquisition cost than a maintenance
cost, right?

1914
02:16:19,520 --> 02:16:26,159
» More of the maintenance cost. Um, but
what I'd recommend is um, and I I still

1915
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:28,904
would like their engineer to speak to
the maintenance and monitoring plans

1916
02:16:27,599 --> 02:16:32,719
that's required with DuPage County
[clears throat] so that it's understood.

1917
02:16:30,719 --> 02:16:35,679
There's there maybe is two things
brought [snorts] to the table. What does

1918
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:39,439
it mean for the village, you know,
maintenance and responsibility versus

1919
02:16:37,359 --> 02:16:43,519
what does it mean for a private HOA? And
those are two separate costs that we can

1920
02:16:41,599 --> 02:16:47,280
try to bring forward. At the end of the
day though, again, it is a village. the

1921
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:50,880
village board would make that ultimate
decision, right?

1922
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:54,000
» Um, and the village staff has not,
again, the village staff hasn't made

1923
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:58,080
that decision. It's the village board
who would,

1924
02:16:55,519 --> 02:17:01,439
» but we we can try to get those costs on
our end.

1925
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:07,120
» Yeah. So, yeah, I just want to expand on
um Bethy's um request that I go over

1926
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:15,120
this. So, Dwage County has jurisdiction
over wetlands and flood plane. So this

1927
02:17:10,960 --> 02:17:21,200
private public park um most of it is
grass essentially and it's the um the

1928
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:24,399
creek and the um um the borderline of
the creek is where you got the natural

1929
02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:30,000
plantings, the wetlands, things like
that and that needs to be maintained. Um

1930
02:17:27,359 --> 02:17:36,319
that's where the most of the um high
maintenance efforts are. So um we have

1931
02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:41,200
to provide the county because they
oversee wetlands and flood plane a

1932
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:46,080
maintenance plan a plantings plan and we
also have to provide a budget to them.

1933
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:49,840
And so on a project that John P's
working on in Elmherst it's a private

1934
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:54,160
owner 60 foot lot. It backs up the salt
creek. It's got wetlands and flood

1935
02:17:52,000 --> 02:18:00,639
plane. So they also have to come up with
we came up with a maintenance plan and a

1936
02:17:57,040 --> 02:18:05,200
planting plan and it's the single
uh owner

1937
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:10,960
can afford it. I mean it's it's a mod
it's a modest what I find is a modest

1938
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:18,479
plan for for this two $2.5 million home.
>> Yes. And so for 19 homes with the same

1939
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:23,599
or double the value will be reasonable
to maintain what they need to maintain

1940
02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:28,559
to meet county standards. And the rest
is really just mowing. It's if you've

1941
02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:33,840
seen it, it's it's a lot of grass and
that's that's a very basic maintenance

1942
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:40,319
operation. But the specialty maintenance
is by the homeowner or in this case HOA

1943
02:18:36,719 --> 02:18:44,319
and it is a reasonable cost that
is very common when the property backs

1944
02:18:42,719 --> 02:18:50,559
up to a creek or pond or whatever that
has wetlands flood plane.

1945
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:56,399
» And do you have those costs? Do you
>> um I think the it was like around $2,000

1946
02:18:54,240 --> 02:19:01,439
two to $3,000 for the planting and
maintenance and that's already just

1947
02:18:58,960 --> 02:19:06,160
planting month. Um that was the initial
planting plan and then really the

1948
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:08,880
maintenance is just pay attention that
>> cut grass

1949
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:11,359
» cut grass village is not comfortable
>> it's not dead

1950
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:13,040
» they thought that initially was way too
much

1951
02:19:11,679 --> 02:19:16,639
» staff has not reviewed their maintenance
and monitoring plan I don't believe

1952
02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:21,439
we've seen that or that's been submitted
to the county so we we would probably

1953
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:25,040
want to review that and see that I don't
know if that's been prepared yet

1954
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:28,319
» I thought you said that the was really
expensive so you didn't

1955
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:31,280
» the wetlands plans that we got together
and I apologize I don't have them in

1956
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:34,719
front of me and they're from quite a bit
ago. They were substantially higher and

1957
02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:39,760
they were they were also wetlands
mitigation and mowing costs.

1958
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:43,599
» Yeah. I mean I would suggest we don't
put you on the spot with that.

1959
02:19:41,519 --> 02:19:47,439
» I don't want to I can't remember this
morning explor [laughter]

1960
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:50,000
and they're out of date anyway.
>> Explore the options. What are the

1961
02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:53,840
components? what are the components that
would be covered under maintenance

1962
02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:59,600
monitoring plan for as you're committed
but even though those are requirements

1963
02:19:56,880 --> 02:20:04,000
somebody needs to do them and that and I
my point as I said earlier I'm not

1964
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:09,280
necessarily worried about the funds it's
the execution that you know HOAs are

1965
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:14,880
typically people doing it as a side job
or you can I know you can hire third

1966
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:18,720
parties that manage as HOA but execution
is usually the issue of doing the

1967
02:20:16,720 --> 02:20:22,640
maintenance and and what are we meaning
to so I think my opinion would be is

1968
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:26,800
that we just need to explore this option
more at the base of it though I don't

1969
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:31,359
want to miss an opportunity if there's
an opportunity for this to be public

1970
02:20:28,720 --> 02:20:34,640
lands I think that needs to be explored
too

1971
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:40,560
» uh just to be clear um it's the county
that will um monitor it to make sure

1972
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:43,840
it's in compliance and if the homeowners
don't take care of it they will go in

1973
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:48,800
and lean in and do it themselves so it
wouldn't be the village jurisdiction

1974
02:20:47,120 --> 02:20:52,479
» um so the county that
>> I'm let me clarify. I understand that

1975
02:20:50,479 --> 02:20:57,920
part. Okay. The the codes, covenants,
and restrictions tie in the the village

1976
02:20:55,280 --> 02:21:02,319
for the a for this. This is specifically
talking about the village for the open

1977
02:20:59,439 --> 02:21:06,319
space. I agree there might be carveouts
related to the storm water management.

1978
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:09,680
But as written right now, codes or the
the codes, conditions, and restrictions

1979
02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:12,080
are written to the village
responsibility.

1980
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:15,280
» So the the grass.
>> Yeah.

1981
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:18,720
» So I think I think it just needs more
thought. That's

1982
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:21,680
We're not going to solve it.
>> I mean, that storm we had on feel like

1983
02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:27,120
it [clears throat] was it was a
Saturday, August 6th or something. I

1984
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:32,399
mean, it flooded across Adams at the low
point. Um, it didn't get anywhere near

1985
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:36,560
to the your flood plane high high water
spots, but it it definitely went across

1986
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:40,640
the street and blocked the street. So,
it happens. And that's where all that

1987
02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:46,399
grass was underwater for, you know, at
least half a day. So I I apologize but

1988
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:53,439
to get this clear. So are you saying
that you're going to look into that

1989
02:21:50,399 --> 02:21:55,439
Hensdale takes it over? Is that what I'm
hearing?

1990
02:21:53,840 --> 02:22:00,399
» Well, we're that's one one thing we're
if we did continue it I want them to

1991
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:03,600
revisit that the option is the Hel of
you guys

1992
02:22:02,479 --> 02:22:06,479
know for two years
>> not from us. We're asking that be

1993
02:22:05,760 --> 02:22:10,000
explored. Right.
>> Yeah. So, I don't know who's giving me a

1994
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:13,680
note that who's suddenly saying that
Kenzel wants nothing to do with it. They

1995
02:22:12,240 --> 02:22:18,800
can't afford it.
>> And you know, I'm just saying it's new

1996
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:22,560
here to me today to say, well, now we're
going to look at it

1997
02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:26,560
» after two years because we were open to
that

1998
02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:29,600
» very early on, but we we were said no.
>> Oh, I remember when I I remember when

1999
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:32,240
you presented at the community house and
neighbors and everything. Yeah. It

2000
02:22:31,439 --> 02:22:35,040
wasn't
>> I don't I don't remember I don't

2001
02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:37,760
remember it being private then. I think
the idea was hopefully that would be

2002
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:41,120
deed to the village
>> who would be making that decision of

2003
02:22:39,439 --> 02:22:43,439
saying okay Hinsdale are going to take
it completely over

2004
02:22:42,479 --> 02:22:46,640
» the village board.
>> The village board.

2005
02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:49,280
» Okay. And like do they have to meet and
discuss this?

2006
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:51,439
» This would be referred to the village
board.

2007
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:53,359
» This is going to the village board no
matter what.

2008
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:58,160
» Right. I understand that. But would it
be at that then it would move on from

2009
02:22:56,319 --> 02:23:02,880
here and that would be a stipulation to
say this is an option that the village

2010
02:23:00,560 --> 02:23:06,560
board will discuss at that time
>> h that they might just do that and

2011
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:08,560
you're saying why can't we just do that
now essentially like what are we waiting

2012
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:12,000
on
>> why would that be wait like

2013
02:23:10,399 --> 02:23:14,399
» hold this up for another three months
>> I get it

2014
02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:18,160
» yeah no
>> I get it

2015
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:20,880
» we've done we've done plenty of that I
mean ultimately they're the decision

2016
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:25,840
makers are the ones that are alive
>> because when the village they'll come

2017
02:23:22,319 --> 02:23:30,960
back can say no which I'm a not a I'm
not a betting man [laughter]

2018
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:32,720
um you know I wouldn't want to have lost
three months

2019
02:23:32,319 --> 02:23:37,359
» true
>> it is my understanding that the function

2020
02:23:34,479 --> 02:23:42,319
of this organization is to deliberate
these sort of issues and then go to the

2021
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:47,280
board with a recommendation with enough
information to do that

2022
02:23:44,800 --> 02:23:51,520
it's my view that based on the
conversation in the two-year process

2023
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:56,880
that Bethany you mentioned elected
official appointed officials, village

2024
02:23:53,680 --> 02:24:03,439
staff and the applicant um have gone
through that we have enough information

2025
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:09,359
that the uh that the that assembled
group and the applicant have both come

2026
02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:14,960
to the conclusion that the current plan
of keeping this a private park with

2027
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:21,760
public access maintained by the very
well-healed homeowners association is

2028
02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:26,479
the optimal plan. We can disagree,
but from what I've heard, it sounds like

2029
02:24:24,319 --> 02:24:33,600
this has been turned over, thought
about, and um and it's real different

2030
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:38,560
than Grom Mill, which is less well
healed, I'll say. And I I don't know

2031
02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:43,840
their average income or anything. Um but
that this is not a bad plan. So if we

2032
02:24:42,399 --> 02:24:47,439
actually disagree with that and we think
it's a bad plan and we think that the

2033
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:52,080
there's no way that this is going to
work which I do not think since that's

2034
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:56,880
the case then we should continue this.
If this is not a bad plan and there are

2035
02:24:55,200 --> 02:24:59,359
risks, there are always risks. We went
through what's the place on the corner

2036
02:24:58,399 --> 02:25:02,399
of 55th and
>> in zone metals.

2037
02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:08,240
» Yeah, different issues, but we ended up
having to trust the developer who stood

2038
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:14,240
in front of us similarly and said, I am
a developer who really likes to do good

2039
02:25:10,399 --> 02:25:18,319
work. That worked out pretty well. Um I
think we're in a similar situation here

2040
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:26,880
and maybe it'll go bad in three or four
years or 10 years or 30 years. Um, but I

2041
02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:31,280
I I I I'm inclined to believe that you
guys have thought this through and that

2042
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:35,439
this is going to be well maintained by
yourselves as you develop it and then

2043
02:25:33,359 --> 02:25:40,720
the homeowners association eventually.
>> I'll be like either way I'm involved in

2044
02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:45,040
this project for the next three years.
So the book stops with me and any of you

2045
02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:48,880
after tonight can research John Pembrook
Island Construction. You can talk to

2046
02:25:46,479 --> 02:25:54,080
Elmer. That's where I have 500
customuilt homes in the last 30 years.

2047
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:58,880
And I'm not blowing up myself, but it
speaks for itself. What I don't uh

2048
02:25:56,800 --> 02:26:03,040
misrepresent myself because my word is
my bond. And I I tell that to everybody

2049
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:06,479
I build a house with. You can get all
the attorneys in the world. You can get

2050
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:10,479
all the inspectors. Who's left at the
end of the day? The homeowner and the

2051
02:26:08,240 --> 02:26:14,720
builder. And if the builder shows up and
takes care of business, there is no

2052
02:26:12,479 --> 02:26:21,760
problems. But I can stand on my track
record. I have a long track record on

2053
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:26,479
building and developing. So, it's like I
appreciate your comments, but it's two

2054
02:26:23,439 --> 02:26:29,520
years that we've discussed all this.
Maybe you're not privy to everything

2055
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:35,439
that we've discussed, but we've
discussed way before that. Honestly,

2056
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:39,200
when I started here, I thought Hinsdale,
why wouldn't they want this? Why

2057
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:43,760
wouldn't they want to take this? This is
a one a golden opportunity.

2058
02:26:41,520 --> 02:26:49,200
» I was told no, it would never happen.
and it would never pass. It should then

2059
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:53,280
we went to to the public private option.
I think that's a great idea too. I think

2060
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:58,399
because these houses the people that are
going to buy these houses,

2061
02:26:55,840 --> 02:27:02,479
you know, I'm a simple builder. Okay.
So, but the people I've been I've been

2062
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:07,520
dealing with for the last 30 years.
People say to me, 10 years ago, people

2063
02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:12,800
couldn't put 20% down to buy these
houses. People are coming with $2

2064
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:16,479
million down and then get a mortgage.
Where they got the money, I don't know.

2065
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:21,920
But the money is there. And I'm telling
you that that's the people I deal with

2066
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:27,920
all day long. And that's the caliber of
people that will be building in these

2067
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:33,120
houses. So I know I know you have you're
hesitant on that, but I totally disagree

2068
02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:37,200
with you, but that's just because the
caliber of people that are buying these

2069
02:27:34,800 --> 02:27:41,920
houses. And if I drive around Hinsdale
or drive in all Elmhorse or Sharon Hills

2070
02:27:39,359 --> 02:27:47,840
or Western Springs, all the houses are
maintained, you know, two $3 million

2071
02:27:45,680 --> 02:27:50,960
houses, we can all drive around them.
They're all being maintained. They're

2072
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:54,640
all being kept up because it's their
biggest investment they'll ever make

2073
02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:56,399
probably in their life.
>> Okay.

2074
02:27:55,120 --> 02:28:00,319
» Which is true. I mean, I would think if
these 19 people, this is now going to be

2075
02:27:58,240 --> 02:28:04,479
like their water waterway.
>> Yeah. I would bet that as soon as they

2076
02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:07,439
would build houses, these first seven,
they're going to look across and see

2077
02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:11,120
that chain link fence that's overgrown
at Salt Creek Club

2078
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:14,319
» and want that thing, you know, they
contact

2079
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:17,200
and say, "Get that thing out of there
because it's an eyesore."

2080
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:21,439
» I don't know if they know what they
would be signing up for either, right,

2081
02:28:19,359 --> 02:28:25,600
from the initial like we don't know how
much. I mean, $10,000, who knows? I

2082
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:27,600
mean, we don't know what they're it's
going to be.

2083
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:31,680
» Well, I guess there's two options. one I
guess kind of want to get a feel for the

2084
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:35,600
the commissioners here is one option is
we we vote on what we have in front of

2085
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:40,880
us and if we want to make
recommendations to the board and we can

2086
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:44,080
do that or secondly if we were going to
continue it I would want to continue

2087
02:28:42,479 --> 02:28:48,319
just for a month
>> and and that's as much time as the board

2088
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:51,760
can have to really you know do a pause
and say think about this again about

2089
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:55,359
purchasing or get you know getting the
land and then also looking at the

2090
02:28:53,840 --> 02:28:57,520
maintenance plan and agreement and
getting put some more meat on the bone

2091
02:28:56,720 --> 02:29:02,479
Right.
>> And and but not beyond a month because

2092
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:05,680
that's not fair to John and and his
group.

2093
02:29:04,080 --> 02:29:09,439
» I don't know if we re if we vote it
through and recommend our recommend say

2094
02:29:07,680 --> 02:29:12,800
our recommendations. Won't that same
thing happen even if we don't extend it

2095
02:29:11,200 --> 02:29:17,359
a month?
>> Like they have the time to review it

2096
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:20,160
whether we extend it a month or not.
>> The board.

2097
02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:23,359
» Yeah. The board.
>> So there'll be two reasons.

2098
02:29:21,359 --> 02:29:26,720
» I just don't know why we're we
>> because there'll be two it'll be two two

2099
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:31,760
meetings for the board, right? Ult
ultimately because this this public

2100
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:35,520
versus private land um for the park
would be the village board decision. Um

2101
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:38,880
there could be a recommendation from the
plan commission to still look at the

2102
02:29:37,439 --> 02:29:42,000
maintenance and monitoring plan if it
stays private and what those costs would

2103
02:29:40,479 --> 02:29:45,680
be to the homeowners and putting
together an established plan, maybe

2104
02:29:44,160 --> 02:29:49,600
building some of that into the HOA
covenants. So, in the case that there

2105
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:53,760
truly is a a maintenance and monitoring
plan, which a lot of communities do

2106
02:29:51,680 --> 02:29:57,280
require, we just don't have as um
in-depth of a of a landscape code

2107
02:29:56,399 --> 02:30:00,560
because we don't have a bunch of
detention ponds historically in

2108
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:04,399
Hinsdale. We're pretty built out. It's
not large developments with detention

2109
02:30:02,399 --> 02:30:08,000
pond lots, but there's tons of companies
that can put a detailed maintenance and

2110
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:11,680
monitoring plan as the private side so
that we can understand what those costs

2111
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:14,800
might be to individual homeowners. And
then we can go back and try to figure

2112
02:30:13,200 --> 02:30:19,040
out what those village costs would be as
well if it became a publicly dedicated

2113
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:22,960
park and present those to the village
board.

2114
02:30:20,560 --> 02:30:28,520
» How many applications have we had like
this where we've made a decision in one

2115
02:30:25,520 --> 02:30:28,520
meeting?

2116
02:30:29,600 --> 02:30:31,359
» I mean
>> we've never had an application like

2117
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:34,960
that.
>> Well, like this. But for for

2118
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:39,439
» I mean like you take the oaks that was
one meeting. We subdivided that was a

2119
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:42,720
» meadows
>> in Meadows. Wait a minute. Total that's

2120
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:47,520
a totally different
>> totally different but I guess size and

2121
02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:49,359
scope I mean and questions and trying to
think

2122
02:30:47,840 --> 02:30:52,960
» I guess so I guess the question is I
mean where did the commissioners feel

2123
02:30:50,880 --> 02:30:55,920
about continuing versus voting?
>> That's why I would like to continue.

2124
02:30:54,240 --> 02:31:01,200
» I have to say my concern is I think our
job is to try and fine-tune this as best

2125
02:30:58,479 --> 02:31:04,960
we can have our best recommendation and
then present it to them. I feel like if

2126
02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:10,479
we do this too soon it's we're just
handing it over to say this. So whether

2127
02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:16,000
is and I don't want to delay you too
long. Time is money and weather

2128
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:17,760
permitting. Um I just think we need more
time to digest this.

2129
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:20,880
» Yes,
>> we have too many questions about things.

2130
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:27,040
Um even something as simple
>> as one quick question.

2131
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:30,960
» If if we revisit the you sell it to us,
you deed it to us, whatever the village

2132
02:31:29,120 --> 02:31:36,240
takes it
>> um or you gift it, whatever happens. Are

2133
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:39,120
you guys still amendable to that if if
we

2134
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:41,439
» Oh, we are. Yes, we are. Yeah. But it's
the board that's making the decision,

2135
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:43,600
right?
>> You own the land.

2136
02:31:42,319 --> 02:31:47,840
» Well, yes, that's correct. Yeah.
>> And if if we're not asking that question

2137
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:50,880
and the answer is now, no, we're not
going to do that.

2138
02:31:48,880 --> 02:31:56,000
» That's an answer we need to know right
now. If you are willing to do it, then I

2139
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:59,359
think we need to do the work.
>> Yeah.

2140
02:31:56,640 --> 02:32:02,960
» And and find out what your options are.
>> Find out what you're willing to put into

2141
02:32:00,960 --> 02:32:07,520
the maintenance plan. Bake that in,
understand it, right? Get all that kind

2142
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:11,200
of documented, and then let you see that
plan. and then have the village go what

2143
02:32:09,359 --> 02:32:15,120
do we want to do and let the board make
up their mind but give them give them

2144
02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:17,120
the numbers and the options so that we
know where we're going

2145
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:19,439
» so continue yes
>> I continue

2146
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:23,920
» nana
>> but a month I continue one month

2147
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:27,439
» yeah no just a month
>> I want to vote because I think they can

2148
02:32:25,520 --> 02:32:33,280
provide the this information what we are
requesting directly to the village the

2149
02:32:30,080 --> 02:32:38,720
board without us having to meet again
>> continue like you started so I think I

2150
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:43,609
Um continue
>> your vote.

2151
02:32:40,080 --> 02:32:43,609
» I abstain. [laughter]

2152
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:49,280
» I think we have all
>> continuing interest in everybody.

2153
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:52,319
» It's
>> It feels like we're continuing to

2154
02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:57,520
continue
>> near impossible to get everything in a

2155
02:32:54,240 --> 02:33:01,439
month, but at least it's a good start.
>> But further down the road,

2156
02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:05,439
» I'm still confused and the and I
appreciate the month because it hurts.

2157
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:10,720
You know, there's a lot of, you know,
but I'm just saying is who's making the

2158
02:33:07,520 --> 02:33:15,920
decision on because
>> I wanted Hinsdale. I wanted to give this

2159
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:19,600
to Hinsdale two years ago.
>> So, who's making the decision now in a

2160
02:33:18,080 --> 02:33:23,359
month to saying we're going to take
this? It I I find it not going to

2161
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:29,040
happen.
>> Well, I mean, isn't the the

2162
02:33:26,560 --> 02:33:33,120
situation where the continuence is on
part for the village to evaluate what

2163
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:36,319
their options are in more detail, right?
I mean, so it's not necessarily putting

2164
02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:37,760
it back on you, John. Right. But I think
our

2165
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:41,520
» I think it will help the whole process
because the board will have to get

2166
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:43,200
involved and think about this with staff
in the next month.

2167
02:33:42,880 --> 02:33:48,080
» Yeah.
>> You know, and I mean, we we've

2168
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:51,359
recommended things that were referred to
us, re-recommended back to the board and

2169
02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:54,160
then they voted no,
>> you know, because they never wanted to

2170
02:33:52,399 --> 02:33:56,399
refer to us in the first place. So
ultimately the board can do what they

2171
02:33:55,200 --> 02:34:01,200
want but I think
>> given a month hopefully if we then took

2172
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:04,960
that time John that then the board will
actually be more educated about all the

2173
02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:08,800
issues on this so that when it gets from
us to the board it'll be a better

2174
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:11,680
process for them.
>> Didn't you say they could you couldn't

2175
02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:14,319
get that information in a month
together?

2176
02:34:12,399 --> 02:34:17,680
» I I can't make promises but they would
also need to have a m I'd want the

2177
02:34:16,319 --> 02:34:21,439
applicant to also look at the
maintenance monitoring plans just so

2178
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:27,600
both can be presented accurately. And
since I'm, you know, we're open to it,

2179
02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:34,319
but I go back to this fine woman here's
uh statement is to say, well, if we're

2180
02:34:31,359 --> 02:34:39,120
recommending it, right, why can't we
like the board is going to look at this

2181
02:34:36,560 --> 02:34:43,600
in a whatever in a month, right? But if
we sent it to the board with a

2182
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:48,640
recommendation to say
the owner is open to give this to

2183
02:34:47,200 --> 02:34:54,319
Hensdale,
>> it's up to you now to say yes or no and

2184
02:34:51,840 --> 02:34:58,560
they're going to say no.
>> I'm firmly believe they're going to say

2185
02:34:56,240 --> 02:35:01,840
no. Well, we're not held up for a month
just because of that. Now, if there's

2186
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:06,399
other instances that you can't on this
is R2,

2187
02:35:02,880 --> 02:35:11,280
» right? and you're saying no, you know, I
we can't do it for other reasons. I'd

2188
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:14,240
like to hear that. It just can't be just
uh

2189
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:17,120
» it just can't be the public private park
though. I think any

2190
02:35:15,439 --> 02:35:21,200
» Well, just to clarify, you keep saying
it's R2. Part of the site is R2. We're

2191
02:35:19,359 --> 02:35:25,800
being asked to review the open space.
So, I don't I know that

2192
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:25,800
» Sorry, apolog.

2193
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:35,280
challenge could be is if I look at this
application in its entirety, either we

2194
02:35:32,399 --> 02:35:35,920
heavily condition it or vote no.
>> Right.

2195
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:37,920
» Right.
>> Yes.

2196
02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:43,680
» And I think our first vote would be for
the map amendment, which we can't do

2197
02:35:40,800 --> 02:35:47,920
» until, you know, it's decided it's going
to be public or private.

2198
02:35:45,280 --> 02:35:51,200
» Okay. No, I just clearing.
Yeah.

2199
02:35:49,200 --> 02:35:56,240
My hope would be if we did continue it
that in a month's time we things we have

2200
02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:58,640
much more clarity.
>> Yeah.

2201
02:35:56,560 --> 02:36:02,160
» And we'd know like say the board goes no
absolutely not we want this to be

2202
02:36:00,319 --> 02:36:07,359
private then we know that and then then
the focus is on the maintenance plan and

2203
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:09,359
and that language and then we recommend
to the board and then it's the board's

2204
02:36:08,960 --> 02:36:13,040
job to
>> and the first thing I do when I come

2205
02:36:10,960 --> 02:36:17,143
back is I'm going to apologize to each
one of you when the board said yes.

2206
02:36:15,123 --> 02:36:17,143
[laughter]

2207
02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:23,439
We hope they do.
>> John, are you one of the builders? Will

2208
02:36:22,319 --> 02:36:24,960
you be building homes?
>> Yes,

2209
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:28,720
» you will.
>> I might build them all, but it's just

2210
02:36:26,880 --> 02:36:30,560
that's not in the game plan right now.
You

2211
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:33,120
» know how many you might be building?
>> I might build four or five or six, you

2212
02:36:32,880 --> 02:36:35,359
know.
>> Okay.

2213
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:39,359
» You know, yeah, they're going to be big
houses. They're going to each one of

2214
02:36:36,800 --> 02:36:44,399
these houses are is more than a year
build because these are going to be very

2215
02:36:41,760 --> 02:36:47,920
expensive homes. So, you have some ideas
of the houses you're going to be

2216
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:51,359
building your building. So, might we be
privy to that?

2217
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:56,880
» Oh, yes. I can show you many. I can show
you 300 of them. If you want, you know,

2218
02:36:54,000 --> 02:37:00,720
I can bring or send Becky information on
on curb appeal houses that I know that's

2219
02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:02,399
going to go that way.
>> Okay.

2220
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:06,479
» Yeah. Just
>> and I'm amazing stone guys by trade. So,

2221
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:09,200
» I know that's where I love I was reading
that. Three generations.

2222
02:37:08,080 --> 02:37:13,520
» I knew there was a mason.
>> Three generations. Yeah. So, yeah. But I

2223
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:18,160
can furnish that to Bethany. She can
send it on TE of the caliber of houses

2224
02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:21,520
that I know that are going to go there.
>> Okay. The owners will be buying the

2225
02:37:19,920 --> 02:37:23,760
property though and then Yes. And then
the contract.

2226
02:37:22,240 --> 02:37:25,760
» So you're not building anything on spec
there?

2227
02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:28,560
» No, they're too expensive.
>> Yeah. [laughter]

2228
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:33,359
Big speculation.
>> Yes. I I I don't like it.

2229
02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:35,280
» I like to go Las Vegas, but not that
heavy.

2230
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:41,040
» That's a rolling a big dice.
>> That's right.

2231
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:47,520
So, commissioners,
do I have um a motion to continue this

2232
02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:51,120
to our
our October? What's the date? October

2233
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:55,600
meeting.
>> Let me give you the date specific. Um

2234
02:37:53,760 --> 02:38:00,000
and I I would be helpful to have a
specific motion of to provide additional

2235
02:37:57,520 --> 02:38:01,120
time for that
>> next.

2236
02:38:00,479 --> 02:38:04,640
» Okay. [laughter]
Let me give you the date. And same I

2237
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:08,240
know there was a lot of discussion here
about asphalt paths versus gravel paths

2238
02:38:07,439 --> 02:38:12,399
um
>> and and some and possibly looking at a

2239
02:38:10,880 --> 02:38:17,359
different side. Yeah. So it would be
good for a recap of of giving the

2240
02:38:14,319 --> 02:38:23,120
specific direction. Our next Octo
October date to continue the public

2241
02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:29,200
hearing would be to October 14th at 6:30
p.m.

2242
02:38:24,479 --> 02:38:35,439
» October 14th. Okay. So, and and with
that, this potential motion would be to

2243
02:38:33,359 --> 02:38:42,399
request that the village staff and the
board reconsider

2244
02:38:38,160 --> 02:38:45,600
um ownership of this open space versus
being privately owned and publicly

2245
02:38:44,080 --> 02:38:52,080
access
that um we see more detail in the

2246
02:38:50,080 --> 02:38:58,880
maintenance plan and agreement that
would be part of the covenants. Um, so

2247
02:38:55,200 --> 02:39:05,040
some more work on that. Um, some clarity
on the fact that it would follow village

2248
02:39:01,600 --> 02:39:09,680
of Enzel park hours.
There's another one. Um I personally,

2249
02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:12,640
and I don't know if you guys would agree
with it, the idea of looking at the

2250
02:39:11,120 --> 02:39:18,040
sidewalks again
>> and

2251
02:39:13,920 --> 02:39:18,040
» um mostly for lots

2252
02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:24,080
lots
>> 9 through

2253
02:39:20,080 --> 02:39:29,600
» um 12 12
through 19. No, 13 through 19. The seven

2254
02:39:26,399 --> 02:39:34,720
lots in the northwest. um possibly not
having the sidewalk along the roadway,

2255
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:38,160
but possibly along the um at the back
following the flood plane or the

2256
02:39:36,399 --> 02:39:47,080
waterway.
Um providing an asphalt path between

2257
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:47,080
Madison and Adams versus gravel.

2258
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:55,200
Um someone had I thought a good comment
and I would agree with um right now like

2259
02:39:51,600 --> 02:40:00,640
the Butler Cemetery and the roadway and
everything. I mean, there's no fences.

2260
02:39:56,800 --> 02:40:04,399
You can walk into the cemetery. Is I
don't know. I can't remember if there's

2261
02:40:01,840 --> 02:40:06,319
anything in agreement about fences
in the covenants.

2262
02:40:05,359 --> 02:40:10,720
» Not yet.
>> But I think it would probably be nice to

2263
02:40:08,319 --> 02:40:15,120
have something related to that path that
there wouldn't be fencesh

2264
02:40:13,280 --> 02:40:19,120
» a prohibition of fences either on the
north side of that path or on the south

2265
02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:22,880
side of it so it could be stay open to
those properties.

2266
02:40:21,359 --> 02:40:26,880
» I don't know if the rest of you would
agree with that or not.

2267
02:40:24,720 --> 02:40:29,920
I think there should be something there.
Is that what you're suggesting?

2268
02:40:28,319 --> 02:40:31,840
» No, no offense. So you don't create a
tunnel. So you don't create I agree with

2269
02:40:31,600 --> 02:40:34,560
you.
>> That is open like a current.

2270
02:40:32,960 --> 02:40:38,000
» I agree. And the sidewalks, just a
question. These are we saying now that

2271
02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:43,040
all of these walkways are going to be in
an ash vault rather than concrete.

2272
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:45,680
» Uh there's focusing specifically on the
gravel walk that was proposed that that

2273
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:49,200
would be asked for.
>> What about the rest of them?

2274
02:40:46,960 --> 02:40:52,080
» Well, I guess in my mind if you elim if
you and this would be up to you, John.

2275
02:40:50,800 --> 02:40:54,640
» Well, if it was in the back, it's
definitely should be as not concrete.

2276
02:40:54,399 --> 02:40:56,640
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

2277
02:40:54,880 --> 02:41:00,880
» And then I think it would blend in more
naturally with um

2278
02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:05,359
» this with the open space
>> and then once you get down to

2279
02:41:03,600 --> 02:41:09,760
um
let's see preserve place. I mean I think

2280
02:41:07,840 --> 02:41:13,840
that would just follow village standards
be concrete walks you know basically

2281
02:41:11,439 --> 02:41:18,720
from the head wall down to around the
culde-sac to keep that concrete or would

2282
02:41:16,720 --> 02:41:21,439
you want that to be asphalt as
>> asphalt so it's all the same?

2283
02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:24,160
» I think it blends in better with the
environment there. Is there any issue

2284
02:41:22,800 --> 02:41:27,040
with the village on that?
>> Are you proposing asphalt to long

2285
02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:28,640
preserve place?
>> Yes.

2286
02:41:27,920 --> 02:41:32,240
» For the walks,
>> I would have to check our subdivision

2287
02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:35,680
code um to see if there's a specific.
>> We have a month to investigate.

2288
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:37,920
» We do. [laughter]
>> Sorry, Bethany. I know you have nothing

2289
02:41:37,200 --> 02:41:40,479
to do.
>> Nothing.

2290
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:44,800
Keep it
>> for the phone to ring.

2291
02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:50,000
» Um were there any other
>> I had one quick

2292
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:55,439
» What did you They are going to do a ship
overview. They have not started that

2293
02:41:52,880 --> 02:41:59,200
as part of the permit they need to pull
for construction for NPD, the National

2294
02:41:57,359 --> 02:42:03,840
Pollutant Discharge Elimination System.
They are required through the notice of

2295
02:42:00,880 --> 02:42:06,640
intent to do the Illinois Historic
Preservation and the Endangered

2296
02:42:05,680 --> 02:42:09,439
Threatened.
>> It's part of the process.

2297
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:13,439
» It's part of the process. They have to
have that to submit their construction.

2298
02:42:11,280 --> 02:42:15,920
» And we had we're doing a project golf
club and we had to do that.

2299
02:42:14,640 --> 02:42:21,040
» Yeah. Part of the process.
>> Good. So it sounds like you guys have a

2300
02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:25,680
lot to do work to do more than like over
the next few months like the water thing

2301
02:42:24,399 --> 02:42:28,160
too.
>> Anything else?

2302
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:32,800
» Any other approvals
>> part of the motion?

2303
02:42:29,680 --> 02:42:37,439
» No, I think how's that feel?
>> Great. I wanted to recommend the um

2304
02:42:34,880 --> 02:42:40,640
landscaping arbor or whatnot along the
burm against

2305
02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:41,680
» Oh, landscaping along Ogden.
>> Yeah.

2306
02:42:41,439 --> 02:42:44,160
» Yeah,
>> that's a good one.

2307
02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:50,880
» Yeah.
I also think that um in thinking about

2308
02:42:48,399 --> 02:42:56,399
the maintenance requirements for the
wetland

2309
02:42:52,479 --> 02:43:03,439
um you know for this whole area I think
we there needs to be a little clarity

2310
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:07,439
about um trees tree damage when trees
come down

2311
02:43:05,280 --> 02:43:11,439
do they just
get left there or they you know thinking

2312
02:43:09,760 --> 02:43:16,240
about some of the big storms that we've
had that have come through and there

2313
02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:23,680
There are old trees on that property and
so stuff comes down and

2314
02:43:20,000 --> 02:43:29,040
that'll change how the park looks
relative to now if those trees start to

2315
02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:35,040
come down and they just get left to rot.
Um I'm not commenting on what that

2316
02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:41,200
direction should be. I'm just saying
people who think it it's lovely now with

2317
02:43:37,920 --> 02:43:45,840
the trees up, if they all start to it,
like if it starts to convert into

2318
02:43:43,600 --> 02:43:50,160
looking more like Fullerburg, that
should be an intentional decision on

2319
02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:53,359
people's part and not just, oh, we
didn't really plan for that and now

2320
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:56,560
these things are down and there's no
budget to get rid of them.

2321
02:43:55,840 --> 02:44:01,600
» So,
>> well, that's one thing that this was in

2322
02:43:58,240 --> 02:44:05,520
Bethy's package on page two. Under any
motion we put together the following

2323
02:44:03,600 --> 02:44:09,520
conditions they wanted to include that
all final engineering comments must be

2324
02:44:07,359 --> 02:44:13,520
addressed prior to building to building
permit issuance. All final tree

2325
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:16,080
protection and planting plans comments
provided by the superintendent of

2326
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:20,080
forestry and grounds must be addressed
prior to building permit issuance. Final

2327
02:44:18,319 --> 02:44:23,439
pen selections and locations for street
trees must review and approved by

2328
02:44:21,680 --> 02:44:27,040
superintendent forestry and grounds.
Then all requirements listed in title 11

2329
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:30,560
the village code shall be which is
subdivision code I believe shall be met

2330
02:44:29,279 --> 02:44:35,200
prior to recording the plan of
subdivision. So I think I mean and on to

2331
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:38,240
Mark's point the trees are one thing but
the county is going to determine what

2332
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:42,240
happens along the waterway. I mean
they're very specific about what can be

2333
02:44:40,399 --> 02:44:45,279
planted or what maintained there.
>> Yes.

2334
02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:46,560
» They're triggering buffer requirements
right?

2335
02:44:45,600 --> 02:44:50,319
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> I mean down to the species of what what

2336
02:44:48,560 --> 02:44:54,319
the plants have to be. So,
>> so I think it'd be between the villages

2337
02:44:52,800 --> 02:44:58,240
um
superintendent forestry and then the

2338
02:44:56,160 --> 02:45:00,560
county on what they need for the
wetlands

2339
02:44:59,279 --> 02:45:03,040
» that that should be addressed.
>> Okay.

2340
02:45:01,120 --> 02:45:07,600
» And those those village arborist
comments are related only to the public

2341
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:11,080
street trees, not to the interior street
trees.

2342
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:11,080
» Oh,

2343
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:18,640
I think the interior trees that would be
more of a landscape plan.

2344
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:23,120
And I don't know that any of these are
actually that. So,

2345
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:25,920
» no, we have there was a tree survey
>> and uh

2346
02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:27,600
» survey was already here.
>> No, you're right.

2347
02:45:26,560 --> 02:45:32,000
» Yeah,
>> the tree identification preservation

2348
02:45:29,600 --> 02:45:34,399
plan is already in here.
>> So, this was

2349
02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:37,520
» it's
>> this would have to be, you know,

2350
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:40,960
basically comply.
>> Yeah, this this would not require an

2351
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:44,800
overall landscape plan besides the
street trees. Of course, we can get them

2352
02:45:42,960 --> 02:45:47,760
to look at if they're not putting street
trees on Ogden, we can look at working

2353
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:52,240
with them and putting those on private
property. But similar like what we did

2354
02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:55,680
with the Oak subdivision, um you know
that we review the street trees, the the

2355
02:45:54,080 --> 02:45:59,520
subdivision code, but the individual
lots would be developed separately with

2356
02:45:58,080 --> 02:46:03,920
under separate permit. And then
obviously um anything that's required by

2357
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:09,720
DuPage County for the waterways would be
submitted to them as well and the

2358
02:46:06,240 --> 02:46:09,720
detention ponds.

2359
02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:19,040
» Okay. Does that sound like a motion?
>> I I think so. Can I [laughter] give a

2360
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:22,800
can I give one more summary? Um uh so we
will look at some um additional

2361
02:46:20,880 --> 02:46:27,439
information to help the village board
reconsider the ownership of the private

2362
02:46:24,880 --> 02:46:31,200
versus public parkland. Um we will work
with the applicant to look at details on

2363
02:46:29,120 --> 02:46:36,240
a possible maintenance and monitoring
plan. Um if it does stay into private

2364
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:41,760
ownership by an HOA to be maintained and
owned. Um, we'll provide some clarity on

2365
02:46:39,359 --> 02:46:45,600
the village of Hinsdale park hours and
see if if there's um potential reasoning

2366
02:46:43,920 --> 02:46:49,920
for changing what was included in their
HOA covenants. We'll um have the

2367
02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:55,120
applicant look at sideways, especially
behind lots 13 to 19 and possibly

2368
02:46:52,560 --> 02:47:00,319
reorienting that sidewalk at the rear.
Um reooking at possibly changing any of

2369
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:05,200
the gravel or concrete paths and
sidewalks into an asphalt path. and

2370
02:47:02,560 --> 02:47:08,160
village staff will check to see um if
there's any issues with putting an

2371
02:47:06,399 --> 02:47:12,720
asphalt path along preserves place,
which is going to be a publicly

2372
02:47:09,279 --> 02:47:16,960
dedicated road. Um looking at some HOA
covenants that would possibly restrict

2373
02:47:14,319 --> 02:47:22,960
fences being um constructed along the
north property line, especially along

2374
02:47:18,720 --> 02:47:27,680
that Butler Cemetery area. Um the IDNR
or SHIPO or any sort of natural resource

2375
02:47:25,279 --> 02:47:32,080
or history reviews will be done with the
final permitting as part of the DW Page

2376
02:47:29,520 --> 02:47:36,000
County storm water process. and um
possibly looking at landscaping and

2377
02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:39,200
those street trees on Ogden in that BM.
Does that sound like a good summary?

2378
02:47:38,319 --> 02:47:40,560
» Very good,
>> Steve.

2379
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:44,800
» Yes, sir.
>> Uh the open the meeting is still open.

2380
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:48,960
Do you want to do something like that
before we do the motion or

2381
02:47:47,200 --> 02:47:51,200
» if we're going to continue it and keep
the meeting open, right?

2382
02:47:49,920 --> 02:47:55,200
» Yes, we would continue the public
hearing. That's why the motion basically

2383
02:47:53,279 --> 02:47:59,279
failed previously to close the public
hearing with all that discussion. So, we

2384
02:47:57,520 --> 02:48:02,319
will transfer this to continue the
public hearing

2385
02:48:00,800 --> 02:48:07,760
» and then hopefully we can bring all this
information to the next meeting.

2386
02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:13,279
» So, do I have a motion to continue this
to our October 14th meeting at 6:30 with

2387
02:48:10,880 --> 02:48:17,359
the conditions and the research that was
mentioned by Bethany?

2388
02:48:14,880 --> 02:48:20,319
» So, moved. Will it be seconded?
>> Roll call vote, please. Bethany.

2389
02:48:19,279 --> 02:48:21,760
» Commissioner Harlo.
>> Hi.

2390
02:48:20,720 --> 02:48:24,399
» Commissioner Curry.
>> I. Commissioner Krillinberger.

2391
02:48:23,600 --> 02:48:25,920
» I.
>> Commissioner Cernovich.

2392
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:28,080
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Willoughby. Hi,

2393
02:48:27,040 --> 02:48:29,120
» Commissioner Fonei.
>> Hi,

2394
02:48:28,399 --> 02:48:31,520
» Commissioner Moore.
>> Hi,

2395
02:48:29,520 --> 02:48:34,319
» Chairman Cashman. Hi,
>> thank you very much. Appreciate your

2396
02:48:32,960 --> 02:48:38,560
patience and time.
>> Thank you.

2397
02:48:36,880 --> 02:48:43,560
» Here, do I have a motion to adjurnn?
>> Krillinburgger. So, motion.

2398
02:48:39,920 --> 02:48:43,560
» All in favor? All right.