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meeting has been provided to the public

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in accordance with the provisions of the

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open public meeting act. Notice was

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published city website copies provided

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the bergen record also placed on a bolt

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in the board in the lobby of city hall.

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written objections, if any, shall be

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made to the city clerk.

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To the flag

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of America, to the republic for it

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stands nation, indivisible, liberty,

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justice for all.

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» Call the roll, please.

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>> Mr. Con,

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>> here.

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>> Stone

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>> here.

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>> Fisher.

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>> Mrs. Zyish

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>> here. Yeah, I'm here.

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>> Thank you, Mr.

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>> President.

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» Mr. Russo

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>> President Ramos

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>> present.

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>> I saw it.

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>> I apologize for the meeting start a

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couple minutes late. We were in close

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session up until 7:00. We wanted to give

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everyone the opportunity to sign in and

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to get settled in the chambers before we

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start the meeting.

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>> The uh first two ordinances are being

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carried to uh the October 21st uh

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council meeting. Correct.

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>> Uh hearing on a bond ordinance

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authorizing completion of various

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capital improvements. Where is that?

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>> The acquisition of various capital

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equipment including public art

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acquisition in installation capital

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facility improvements allocations

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related to to and for the city of Hobok

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and county of Hudson, New Jersey.

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appropriating the sum of $2,200,000.

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Therefore, authorizing the issuance of

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general obligation bond or bond

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anticipation notes for the city of

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Hoboken of Hudson County, New Jersey

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aggregate principal amount of up to

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$2,200,000

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making certain determinations and

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covenants and authorizing

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uh related to actions to connections for

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the foregoing.

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Uh Pat Waiters J7 J78.

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>> Okay, thank you. Uh Manuel Vera Solair

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J78.

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» Good evening, Council President, members

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of the council, members of the public.

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Manuel Rivera. Council President, I'm

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rising to speak again on this uh

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ordinance because it wasn't clear last

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meeting when I asked the questions and

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they were um conversations amongst

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yourselves and you I guess moved it to

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this meeting. Again, the uh question

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still stands, council president, and I

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know um I believe you assumed that I

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broke the rules last meeting. I did not.

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Uh there is an exception if there was

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something missing in my statement. Uh

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again, nothing personal. Again, I just

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want to say, council president, I

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understand that the municipal

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municipalities need to borrow for major

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capital projects and I am not suggesting

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that every bond is unnecessary. But when

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we're asking residents to support

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millions of dollars in additional

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obligations, I believe the public

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deserves a clear understanding,

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what we are

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buying and investing in, why we need it,

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why it why it cannot wait, and what will

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it ultimately cost

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for future budgets. Council President, I did ask the question last um meeting.

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No one answered. Meaning, what is what

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equipment and what is being purchased in

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this bond? Can this bond

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be left aside? And can the Hoboken

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parking authority buy these equipments

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outright with their funds or is that's

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not the way it works? Can members of the

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public understand what is the procedure

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and the reasoning behind the bond and

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for what purpose are you purchasing

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these equipments? And with that, Council

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President, I will yield back cuz my

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statement stands. Thank you,

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>> motion to close the public session.

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>> All in favor?

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>> Yeah. Uh Manny, it's $2.2 million. 1

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million of which will be to replace two

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hop shuttles. I think we all uh really

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value the hop program. And the other 1.2

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million is for a 5-year curb management

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program which includes uh wayfinding

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systems, uh smart loading zones, digital

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parking guidance, and automated

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enforcement for our city vehicles. So

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that's the totality of the 2.2 million.

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>> Yeah. No, no, it's fine. I think when we

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>> Manny. All right. So members of the

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council, open it up to you guys.

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>> Fischer. Yeah, I mean I if if Director

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the 1.2 million um relating to curbside

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management, which is, you know, a little

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bit of a prickly subject

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>> so [snorts] we understand what it is

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1.2 million for the curb management

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technology, and that's what we're

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calling it because it's a package of of

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goods, right? Uh so the the main

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component there is purchasing uh cameras

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that will be able to uh uh implement a a

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smart loading zone program. Right? So

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we're trying to solve for those ultra

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short-term pickup and drop off and food

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delivery type trips in our business

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districts that are among the most

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difficult curb management challenges

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that we have today and have had for a

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uh we've spoken to a lot of businesses

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and the percentage of if you're a

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restaurant the percentage of your orders

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uh has skyrocketed in recent years. So

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uh some businesses are now 65 70% of

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their total business through uh food

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delivery apps and things like that that

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require that quick uh pickup and drop

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off type activity. Uh so smart loading

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zone technology which this bond would

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help fund is revenue generating in

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nature. So uh that is a positive

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component of this as well. It's a

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secondary benefit to the curb management

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improvement. Uh and basically these

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cameras would uh be facing loading zones

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and council would have the opportunity

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uh after this is adopted to set the

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rules of the program. Right? So this is

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not it. Right? There's an opportunity to

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meet with subcommittee to [snorts] go

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over what the the fee structure would be

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for the smart loading zones. Right?

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can have a grace period for however long

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have a graduated pricing of only a few

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cents per minute. Other cities have been

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using this technology. Fort Lee has been

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using it quite widely uh, in New Jersey.

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they uh, have uh, uses a smart loading

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zone uh, set of technologies similar to

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what we would be using for this program.

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includes wayfinding technology which is

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indirectly uh revenue generating. The

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purpose of that is to basically take the

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data that we currently have uh in each

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of the city's parking garages, right?

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garage. Those are the three that have

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daily parking uh access available to

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customers. We have real time data right

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now on the utilization of those garages.

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spaces are available in each one of

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them. And one of our biggest curve

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management challenges as well has been

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to direct people to our off- streetet

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parking. Right? So we often have plenty

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of parking available uh in these garages

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especially during uh you know peak

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during uh the the evening period for

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dinner and things like that. but they

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may not know where the garages are

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unless they are uh you know proactively

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mapping that before they they try to

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come to Hoboken. This would be an

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opportunity to have signage, digital

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signage that updates in real time that

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could be uh posted at gateways to the

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city or gateways to our business

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districts that could inform people how

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many parking spaces are available uh in

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our garages. And it actually has the

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option to include uh tech for sensors

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street parking as well. So for example,

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you could be coming into Hope Oak and

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you can make a turn on Washington Street

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and you could be greeted with a sign

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that tells you that there's X number of

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parking spaces available on this block.

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there's no parking available because it

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said zero, then it would direct you to

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garage B and it would tell you there's

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potentially pay for. Uh, that's what we

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priced out. Uh, and then for for the

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buses that you guys mentioned before.

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agreed that on a go forward basis, the

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bond discussion doesn't sit in finance,

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it sits in the group because we didn't

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talk about these in the transportation.

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the finance either. I'm on both of them.

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uh it it feels a little like it's the

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cart coming before the horse on the um

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the loading zones. I mean, it's

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something we've talked about this at

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length. We all looked back at the, you

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know, the infamous um meeting from a

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year and a half ago, May, where we

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talked at length about smart loading

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zones. And I think we were all except

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for Reuben, everyone else wanted smart

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time. Um but the

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want to do is have you walk away from

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here and order these cameras when we in

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fact haven't even approved an ordinance

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yet. Right. like it's uh it's something

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I think we all want to do, but we had a very robust discussion about what do

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we charge? You know, my if I recall

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correctly, Councilman Russo is like, you

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know, these should be free the first 15

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minutes. We shouldn't be charging, you

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know, people for stops. So, like I think

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we still have to have a robust

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conversation on what they look like, but

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I think we want them. we just don't want

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you to go and buy these cameras, you

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know, until and I would also say um

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I, you know, cameras are a tricky thing

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in Hoboken right now, right? And um the

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idea of kind of tracking parking spots I

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think is a good thing. Um, I think we

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always need to rethink about um, cameras

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because we get a lot of feedback, but in

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terms of the cost of something like

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parking, I mean, you and I have had

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conversations for probably six years

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about the HBA partnering with us because

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a lot of it a lot of it is really plenty

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to support residents who live here and

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have visitors, but a lot of it really is

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to, you know, dispel the notion that

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Hoboken doesn't have parking, right?

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People don't have any idea that we have

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parking garages and having wayfinding. I

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mean, this is an HBA conversation four

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years ago, five years ago. So, where is

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the HBA in this conversation to help,

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you know, cover the cost of this, which

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is really something that supports our

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businesses?

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>> That was a question, the second part.

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Sorry.

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>> Yeah. Yeah, I mean certainly HBA will be

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an important partner, but there are many

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different things whether it's uh

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expanding public transit or whether it's

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curb management technology or whether

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it's streetscape improvements, uh you

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know, managing Hudson Place and our new

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plaza there. There are so many different

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things that uh we we need help from HBA

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on, but we can't have them pay for all

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of it, right? So, I think we need to be

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strategic about uh which things the city

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takes on and which things the HBA takes

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on. And uh to me at least this feels

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like it's more in in the city camp um

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we're in negotiation negotiations with

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him on other things. Right. So

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>> and and is the is the wayfinding I mean

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are you connecting with the private

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garages? So when someone comes in it's

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not just the public garages, it's the

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private garages and the empty spots

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there.

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>> That would be a goal of this plan,

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right? Uh we would want to do both,

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right? Initially, the first sign or two

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that goes up, we would want to

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prioritize our public garages, right?

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But then uh if proven success,

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>> I I I literally disagree with that.

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Okay. I think it Well, it's just my

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view. I know we're trying to find like

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our own revenue, but like strategically

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for the city, having a master approach

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to parking is what helps everyone in the

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city. It brings more people here when

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they know all of the parking, not just

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the city parking. like we we have to

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think outside of our tiny little silo

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and think more, you know, like citywide.

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So, it it it shouldn't just be

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>> I don't think it should be what

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>> it definitely won't just be that. I was

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just saying that we're ramping up,

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right? So, if you can afford a certain

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number of signs to begin with, you know,

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we can talk about that. Like, where

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should we prioritize them? That's fine.

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Um, you know, there's nothing set in

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stone there. But,

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>> it's not just where the signs are. It's

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like what [clears throat] are we

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counting? Are we just counting public

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spaces or are we counting private

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garages as well? So like in in the

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north, right, we always talk about this.

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There's only there there's no public

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garages yet in the north. So we're going

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to tell people coming in, you know, that

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there's parking spaces, garage B all the

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way down. We'll have some wayf finding

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signs. Well, why not connect with the

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Laz garage at 1450 Bloomfield and see if

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they have a way to count and and and

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know how many available spaces are there

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as well. So if someone's coming up town,

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they know that they can get to a parking

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garage up

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>> opportunity too for us.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

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>> Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. It just it seems it it I and and everything I'm

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saying here is conversations we've had

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over the years. This isn't new. I just I

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think the approach to parking in Hoboken

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should be a list holistic citywide. You

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should be able to go on a parking app

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and see all the parking garages in

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Hoboken. Like when we want we want

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people like we're you know third ward,

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right? Third ward completely missed in

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this. Second ward, fifth ward completely

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missed in this. And we want people to

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come in and know where all of the

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garages are that have daily parking. So

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they can go in the fifth ward, they can

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go in the third ward, they can go in the

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fourth ward, right? Like you the they're

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all concentrated in like the the first

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and sixth wel helpful and it's not

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helpful to spend money on something that

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is just for that especially when it's

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geared towards the businesses and

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they're not paying.

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>> I mean I want to support you.

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>> Anyone else?

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>> Yeah.

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That's what President Thank you. Sorry.

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>> So,

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» I have a question. What happened to all

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the money we spent on the cameras for

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the failed Clear program and now we're

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going to buy more cameras, right?

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Because I think we bought money with

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Clear. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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>> Buy more.

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>> I mean, they're not connected, but you

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can potentially repurpose some of those

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cameras. Uh, but

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>> it's a different program. So, the smart

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loading zones, it's totally different

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from automated enforcement of bike.

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Didn't we use the clear program? It was

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sold past administration. You weren't

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here. You are cleaning up a mess.

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But we were told data from those cameras

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that they used that the cameras we have

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set up right now can do the same thing

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that potentially we're buying again or

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on a different

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there's a cost associated with keeping

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the cameras, right? So there's uh

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cellular connectivity, right? There's

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merchant processing fees. there's a cost

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of the hardware itself, right? So those

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cameras for a different purpose has a

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different scope in terms of what they

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can see and where they're positioned and

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so forth that would be different from a

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smart loading zone program where you

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have cameras that are targeting loading

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zones specifically, right? So there's a

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difference between the two. I get that.

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But these things were giving us data. We

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have the cameras already pos again. I'm

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just going to say we're double we're

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buying seconds of cameras. It's another

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system. I get it. Um, I think before we

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do any of this,

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uh, I think we should explore the fact

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that our loading zones aren't big

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enough. So before we go get a plan

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going, we either have to remove every

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parklet off Washington Street or in my

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ward because a lot of the loading zones

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butt into it and majority of the

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deliveries now due to the cost of

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inflation have tractor trailers coming

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into town. And you and I can stand on a

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quarter, we can watch it. And we saw it

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at at Hudson Place, right? problem. They

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couldn't get They're not getting little

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vans anymore. Our loading zones aren't

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big enough. Our bus stops are way too

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big. So, I know we've There was some

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talk about the Kimley Horn study and the

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thing that maybe repurpose them during

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different times, but unfortunately, bus

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stops and deliveries are probably the

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same times in the morning when we're

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busy. So, we can't do that. But I know

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on Washington Street,

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our loading zones are impossible. You're

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lucky to find one for a tractor trailer

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to pull up. And with the with the

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increase in big box chains coming into

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Hoboken, it's all 18 wheelers or you

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know something along those semis coming

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in. So before I would before I can give

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you my backing on this, we should be

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studying that or fixing that first and

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then going into doing this because if

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we're going to just buy cameras and

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we're just going to go put them into the

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loading zones we have now, that's not

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going to do anything but penalize cars.

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Just the four-wheel cars. the big trucks

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are just going to double park no matter

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what because they have no place to go.

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They can't go to a parking garage. So I

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also am in concerned here is because we

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don't I haven't seen a plan at least in

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our committee. I mean the three of us

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sit here we haven't seen a plan for

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this. I mean I would hope that before we

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bond for something we can see the plan.

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Now we've read the I'm I'm struggling to

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get through the full Kimley horn. I'm

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still going through it because I want to

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look at the details of it. However, you

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know, again, I'll use what Councilwoman

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Fischer said, the cart before the horse.

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We don't even I don't even know what

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you're doing with this money other than

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buying cameras. And the fact that we

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have a problem with the loading zones

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being too small, that's the first

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problem we should solve. Do we make one

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side of the street from 8 to two all

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loading zones and we get rid of pay

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parking? You know, I don't know. We've

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talked about this. You know, we tried it

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in front of city hall. Works pretty

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well. Fortunately, that's now under this

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plan or this idea would become pay zones

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potentially. But my question is I

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haven't seen the plan for this and

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you're asking me to vote for this. And

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again, not you. The the administration

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is asking me to vote for this. I haven't

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seen the plan for this like how this is

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going to work. And then I also haven't

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seen a revenue number plan. We say in

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here that it's going to increase

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revenue. Okay,

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>> we don't know that yet.

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>> When? How much? Like I have none none of

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the details in behind it. Maybe I should

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have asked this before in the in the

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time frame, but there was a lot of stuff

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that I've been going through with the

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Kimley Horn reading that since we had

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our meeting uh and this kind of fell by

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the wayside a little bit, but these are

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the type of things it sounds like you're

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going to have the votes to pass this

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unfortunately because it's bonded with

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the hot buses. But it leaves a lot of

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questions to me on if we're going to put

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something forward after we learn from

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the clear program at the clear debacle

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of that that if if I'm to get behind

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something, which I'm okay to get behind

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the loading zones, but I just think we

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need to make the we need to think about

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the loading zones before we vote for it.

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Like we have to fix the problem first

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and then you could put the cameras in

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because we put two cameras in, let's

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say, for a loading or one for a loading

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zone

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>> and it's just local cars. I mean, you

539
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,880
know, I'm struggling. I just don't see

540
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,480
the whole plan here. I'm just getting

541
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,400
by. You're asking me to vote for

542
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,080
something. The 1.2 million, I'm happy to

543
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,400
do the hot buses, but the 1.2 I'm not

544
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,360
comfortable yet with.

545
00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:08,160
>> Councilman Buso.

546
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,240
>> Thank you, Council President.

547
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,799
I just want to say buyer beware. Right.

548
00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:15,280
Um,

549
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,799
it goes to Councilwoman Fischer,

550
00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:18,080
Councilman President Donald's point

551
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,280
about putting the court before the

552
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,880
horse.

553
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,880
the last administration and now this

554
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,799
administration. Quite frankly, director,

555
00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:27,200
you were here for both of those. You

556
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,159
used a funding mechanism mechanism to

557
00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:31,919
implement

558
00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:35,600
a change in our roadway on Grand Street.

559
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,799
So, I am skeptical

560
00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:41,200
about voting on any types of funding

561
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,760
mechanisms without having the full clear

562
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,080
plan in front of me because I don't want

563
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,640
to wind up in the same situation where

564
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,720
we voted for a contract for somebody or

565
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,200
we voted for a bonding for something and

566
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,799
then all of a sudden the administration

567
00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:59,039
is going to use that as a mechanism to

568
00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:00,960
implement things that this council did

569
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,880
not vote on.

570
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,440
That's that's scary for me. I don't

571
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,799
think we should be doing that. I think

572
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:10,480
if we're going to ask for funding, I

573
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,240
think we should be presented with a full

574
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,080
plan of what that funding is going to be

575
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,960
used for. There's a lot of uh you know,

576
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,360
I I like to see that as the second part

577
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:21,200
of this, incorporating that into private

578
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,960
garages. Great, but we don't have that,

579
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,880
right? Well, that's part of the plan

580
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,559
into the future. Well, great. We don't

581
00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:29,840
have that. So for me, I I'd like to

582
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,240
start seeing these bonds, the these

583
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,600
contracts. Like to start seeing all of

584
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,320
the potential work

585
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,039
in front of us before we actually vote

586
00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,600
on it. I I just can't see voting for

587
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,200
something that there there's a what if

588
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,520
or maybe, right? Or yeah, we have a

589
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,760
great plan to do this and then all of a

590
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,600
sudden something doesn't come back

591
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,080
before the council and we as a council

592
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,320
now have to backtrack, right? like on

593
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,760
the clear program or the Grand Street

594
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,400
pilot, right? Like all of that stuff. So

595
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,200
I I think that's problematic. Um so I'm

596
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,720
not going to be supporting this tonight.

597
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,159
Uh if you come back with a different

598
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:08,720
bond for uh hot buses, I'd be more than

599
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,640
happy to support that, but in its

600
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,480
totality, I just can't support it all.

601
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,000
Councilman Imus.

602
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,120
>> Um I just had a question about um again

603
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,400
like I I agree that putting the requests

604
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,039
for the funds ahead of the plan is is

605
00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,039
definitely not the way I would have

606
00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:26,480
preferred to have seen this come

607
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,559
through. Um I am a big supporter of

608
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,280
using technology and using the whole

609
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,120
concept of smart loading zones to lessen

610
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,640
the congestion we have on Washington

611
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,240
Street. Um, I I I think that's a really

612
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,200
great goal. Um, but I guess my question

613
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,280
to you is is if if we pass this bond and

614
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,960
then

615
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,120
don't we still have to vote on the rules

616
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:56,960
of engagement for it?

617
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,679
>> Yes.

618
00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:00,320
>> So, so like I I'm I'm sitting here

619
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,320
thinking, well, I don't know that that

620
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,840
could like how are you going to

621
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,000
implement a plan without us voting on an

622
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000
ordinance that says,

623
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,480
>> okay, uh, we're allowed to do this with

624
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,640
our loading zones or we're going to

625
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,080
create two on each side of Washington

626
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,320
Street, two loading zone spots that are

627
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,240
only to be used for cars and we're going

628
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,799
to charge a minimal amount by the minute

629
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,960
or so. So So that that is my question

630
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,159
because I would not be s if I knew that

631
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:30,159
you could just go off and make a plan

632
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:32,559
with the $1.2 million and not go back

633
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,880
and ask or develop a plan that makes

634
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,760
sense or really work with residents who

635
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,640
know how this goes, right? I would not

636
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,679
support it but I think you know um I am

637
00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:46,080
supportive of the concept. So Councilman

638
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:46,799
Cohen.

639
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:51,039
>> Thank um two things obviously well my

640
00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:52,400
other council colleagues have mentioned

641
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,000
this but there are two aspects to this

642
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,520
bond. The first is to replace two aged

643
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,559
hop shuttle buses uh that have more than

644
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:02,640
12 years old with more than 150,000

645
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,320
miles on each of them. The goal is to

646
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,240
replace them with electric vehicles.

647
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,679
there's a lead time for electric

648
00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:10,159
vehicles to need to be ordered. I think

649
00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:12,320
my colleagues all seem supportive of

650
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,960
that and that's half the bond which is

651
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,919
important with respect to the uh uh

652
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:19,600
installation of curbside management,

653
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,679
parking wayinding systems. Uh just you

654
00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:25,120
know I generally agree with what

655
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:26,960
councilwoman has said. I I think that

656
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,520
there's a lot of promises technology. I

657
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,760
reject the additive of debacle with

658
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,760
respect to the clear program. I I think

659
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,640
that it was poorly rolled out,

660
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,440
>> but the technology itself

661
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,720
worked. Uh, you know, I rode on my bike

662
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,120
down 11th Street and I never once had to

663
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,960
go into Washington Street because cars

664
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,240
were not double parked in the bike

665
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,559
lanes. The technology is proven. It

666
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:52,320
worked. It generates real revenues for

667
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,480
the city. So, I think we have a proof of

668
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,039
concept that shows that this technology

669
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,039
does create real revenues for the city.

670
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:00,960
We need to find additional sources for

671
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,960
revenues. the technologies available.

672
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,200
We've seen it work. We obviously could

673
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,880
and should roll it out better and I hope

674
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,880
that we do. Uh and I look forward to

675
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,600
that. But uh I think that it was a

676
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,520
success. It just should have been rolled

677
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,320
out better. So I'm fully supportive and

678
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,039
uh thanks.

679
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:20,720
Um yeah, I'm [clears throat] also

680
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,799
supportive of this and just kind of to

681
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:24,400
talk about the concerns of some of the

682
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,279
members on the council with respect to

683
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:28,799
um

684
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,559
concerns about not having a plan,

685
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,080
concerns about a bait and switch for

686
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,240
lack of a better word. Uh based on past

687
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,320
experiences, I understand kind of those

688
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,919
concerns.

689
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:42,640
um I balance, you know, between trying

690
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,960
to kind of think of everything before we

691
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,840
start moving forward, having the uh

692
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,440
perfect be the enemy be the good in some

693
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,679
instances. We're looking to position

694
00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:54,640
ourselves to act as quickly as possible.

695
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,400
Um

696
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,720
and the my experience on this council

697
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,360
over the past 10 months with this

698
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:06,559
administration and I would hope that experience shared by by all of us

699
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,480
uh say that you know the current

700
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,200
administration is not acting uh in the

701
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,039
same way that the prior administration

702
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,559
has. They've been very collaborative

703
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,400
whether it's budget, whether it's other

704
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,080
things and been very uh transparent in

705
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,720
and engaging uh with all members of this

706
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,360
council and in you know all almost every

707
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,279
material respect. So, I would expect for

708
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,320
that to to follow suit. And so, I'm okay

709
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,760
moving forward in this fashion now

710
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,200
because I think, you know, the the we

711
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,880
have the receipts that this

712
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,039
administration acts differently. Uh this

713
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,200
council acts differently with each other

714
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,720
because we're we're far more

715
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,919
collaborative. I think it's just a more

716
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:47,840
much more positive experience. So I

717
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,120
would like to position us ourselves to act quickly uh to put in those uh

718
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,760
parking improvements that facilitation

719
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,600
uh enforcement and potential for

720
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,159
revenue. So I hope everyone joins me in supporting those and of course I too

721
00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:04,080
love the hot buses.

722
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,159
>> Any other members of council?

723
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:09,360
>> Yeah, I for me like I did not support

724
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,600
the cameras not because I was a genius

725
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,520
or anything like that. is because I had

726
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,480
zero faith in what the roll out or

727
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,600
implementation would look like. Uh here

728
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,600
I feel a lot differently. I think this

729
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,000
cannot be rolled out unless we have the

730
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,679
fee structure in place that we work on

731
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:30,400
behind the scenes. Uh it cannot be

732
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,600
rolled out unless we finalize what that

733
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,440
looks like and where it's be implemented

734
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,840
throughout the city. That cannot happen.

735
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,200
Uh then we need to educate the public,

736
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,600
not two days beforehand with a press

737
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,000
release, but a real education program

738
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,200
that took place in all those other

739
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,799
cities that you mentioned before they

740
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,320
rolled the program out and what's

741
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,360
happening now throughout the state where

742
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,200
they're using camera sticks as opposed

743
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,840
to cameras on top of uh on top of

744
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,960
traffic signals. And so those four

745
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,840
things need to happen. They just can't

746
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,679
go buy the cameras or invest in those

747
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:05,919
things. Uh, I think because we've I was

748
00:28:05,919 --> 00:28:07,919
on the transportation committee before

749
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:10,000
and those are all positive things,

750
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,679
right? Cameras in the loading zones,

751
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:13,600
moving vehicles as as we go, giving

752
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,679
people opportunity to run in and out.

753
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:18,799
Uh, I wasn't in favor of of the gotcha

754
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,039
uh portion wi-i which which every

755
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,480
resident felt like it was. Uh, it should

756
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,960
be pro business because allowing more

757
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,000
residents and outsiders to park on

758
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,679
Washington Street a lot easier knowing

759
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:33,440
where it is and the the signage needs to

760
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,720
be clear when we do that. So, those

761
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,799
things need to happen and a vote needs

762
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:40,320
to happen. Every single one of those

763
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,080
things along the way, which did not

764
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,080
happen on Grand Street, we were promised

765
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,880
that. It did not happen on Washington

766
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Street. We were promised that. So, all

767
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,240
of those things need to happen here. So

768
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,880
that's that's the only reason well I'll

769
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,480
support this tonight because those steps

770
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,919
need to happen or else it's not gonna be

771
00:28:57,919 --> 00:28:59,919
on the agenda at all. And I

772
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:01,679
>> just a really quick question when when

773
00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:04,960
would we expect to have an ordinance for

774
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,215
the loading zones for us to consider

775
00:29:08,215 --> 00:29:08,320
[snorts]

776
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,039
>> hopefully by the end of the year. I mean

777
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,600
>> there's a lot of work to do for it. But

778
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,600
uh if this is passed tonight we would

779
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,600
immediately work with you know a vendor

780
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,200
to give you a presentation in committee.

781
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,320
>> Yeah I say

782
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,919
>> before you get to

783
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:23,760
And then even when the ordinance is

784
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,159
here, it should not be here. It should

785
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:28,159
be in committee. It should be discussed

786
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:29,440
with all the council members. It just

787
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,039
should be like showing up here on

788
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:32,960
December whatever that date is.

789
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,440
>> Yeah.

790
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,960
>> Everyone should know what's going on

791
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,720
unlike uh the last time.

792
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,919
>> This will definitely be an open and

793
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:39,760
collaborative process. It's critical. We

794
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,279
honestly it won't work well without

795
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,880
that. And we really want this to work.

796
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,840
>> So the upside is tremendous. I uh

797
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,399
>> call the vote con

798
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:54,159
>> I

799
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:54,640
stone.

800
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,520
>> Yes.

801
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,399
>> M. Fisher.

802
00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:57,360
>> Yes.

803
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,320
>> Mrs. Imus.

804
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,039
>> Yes.

805
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:00,000
>> Mrs. L.

806
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,200
>> Yes.

807
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,480
>> Mr. Presidento.

808
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,279
>> No.

809
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:04,880
>> Mr. Cano.

810
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,149
>> Hi.

811
00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:09,120
» Mr. Russo.

812
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,799
>> No.

813
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:11,600
>> President Ramos.

814
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,679
>> Hi.

815
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:15,360
have a hearing on an ordinance amending

816
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,360
the redevelopment plan for the Northwest

817
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,840
>> I'm sorry before you uh uh ordinance

818
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,480
number seven is also off the agenda this

819
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,159
evening. Uh J85 was also carried. You

820
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:27,679
mentioned the first two ordinances.

821
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:30,559
>> Uh you didn't mention uh

822
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,880
J85 is also carried. Just wanted to say

823
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,480
that. I apologize. Thank you.

824
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,679
>> On an ordinance amending the

825
00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:38,240
redevelopment plan for the Northwest

826
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,039
Industrial Redevelopment Area.

827
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,320
>> Motion to close public hearing.

828
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,760
>> Motion. All in favor?

829
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,200
>> I councel

830
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,640
>> call the vote.

831
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,440
>> Mr. Con.

832
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,080
>> Hi.

833
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:50,880
>> Firestone.

834
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,520
>> Yes.

835
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,399
>> Fisher.

836
00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:52,880
>> Yes.

837
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,840
>> Mr. Zyus.

838
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,480
>> Yes.

839
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,760
>> Slation.

840
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,720
>> President.

841
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,600
>> Hi.

842
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,559
>> Cano.

843
00:30:58,559 --> 00:30:58,960
>> Hi.

844
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,000
>> Mr. Russo.

845
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,559
>> Hi.

846
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:01,600
>> President Ramos.

847
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,919
>> I. Hearing on an ordinance amending

848
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:07,279
chapter 190 implement various curbside

849
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,440
changes along 13th Street between

850
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,080
Washington Street and Willow Avenue and

851
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,480
Third Street between Hudson Street and

852
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,279
River Street. Um motion to close public

853
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:17,600
hearing.

854
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,720
>> Motion second.

855
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,320
>> Cler call a vote.

856
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,840
>> Mr. Con.

857
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:22,640
>> Wstone.

858
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,159
>> Yes. Fisher.

859
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:24,559
>> Yes.

860
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,000
>> Mr. Zyus.

861
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,720
>> Yes. Mr.

862
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,799
>> Leano.

863
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,480
Hi. Mr. Canero. Hi.

864
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:38,870
>> Mr. Russo. Hi. President Ramos. Hi.

865
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Hearing on an ordinance amending chapter

866
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,080
190-11 entitled loading zones to add

867
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,559
loading zone to Jefferson Street and

868
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,399
adjust a loading zone on Clinton Street.

869
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,880
Uh motion to close public hearing.

870
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,840
>> Motion.

871
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,360
>> Second. All in favor?

872
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,159
>> I.

873
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,320
>> Uh Mr. Clerk, call the vote.

874
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,200
>> Mr. Con?

875
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,080
>> I.

876
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,200
>> Mr. Firestone.

877
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:01,840
>> Yes.

878
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,039
>> Miss Fischer.

879
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:03,440
>> Yes.

880
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,399
>> Mrs. Zyus.

881
00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:04,880
>> Yes.

882
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,919
>> Mrs. Leen.

883
00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:06,320
>> Yes.

884
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,200
>> President Zano.

885
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:07,840
>> Hi.

886
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,799
>> Santero.

887
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:09,440
>> Hi.

888
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,399
>> Mr. Russo.

889
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:11,279
>> Hi.

890
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:12,559
>> President Ramos.

891
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:13,919
>> Hi.

892
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:17,669
>> Uh,

893
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:18,399
J86.

894
00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:21,600
>> Seven. All right. Seven's carried. Okay.

895
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640
The hearing on eight hearing on announce

896
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,720
repealing chapter 133 of the whole

897
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,519
Oakland city code entitled noise control

898
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:33,440
to repeal 133-13

899
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,000
outdoor amplified sound permit.

900
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,080
>> Yeah. Manuel Rivera.

901
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,320
>> Oh, I was you came to get

902
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,039
>> Oh, you your J86 also miss Pat Waiters.

903
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:43,360
Sorry.

904
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,880
>> Pat waiters. Is this the um last

905
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,559
meeting? Not last me. Yeah. The last

906
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,039
meeting, Manny. Last meeting when those

907
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,559
people from this um complex question

908
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,640
you, Miss Fischer, about the noise

909
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,559
pollution. I learned later. Are they

910
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,480
suing you?

911
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,600
>> We're being sued. No,

912
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,640
>> not no not yet.

913
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,760
>> So that's not

914
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,720
>> No.

915
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,840
>> I'll give an update in a minute.

916
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,360
>> Okay. Wait. I just Y'all saying

917
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,360
transparency and got five resolutions on

918
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,360
here for transparency. And this is what

919
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,840
I'm trying to say was so important. Our

920
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,600
town is so vulnerable and they take

921
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,159
advantage of us. This is crazy. I sat

922
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:19,760
here and I heard the whole thing. I just

923
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,600
want to know are we being sued?

924
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,279
>> I I will give an update.

925
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:23,840
>> We are.

926
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,440
>> No, I will give an update when it's my

927
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:25,679
turn.

928
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,519
>> Okay. Thank you so much, Miss Fisher.

929
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:36,630
>> Manuel Rivera Solair.

930
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,240
» Thank you, Council President. I rise

931
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,600
because I'm a little bit disillusioned

932
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,120
once again. the council is um

933
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,200
>> causing me a little bit of concern here,

934
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,720
but um in regards to this ordinance J86,

935
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,399
it is interesting to see how

936
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:55,519
quickly someone from the public or

937
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:57,120
someone with a special interest can

938
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,159
change the council's mind,

939
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:03,519
irregardless if it's meritous, if it has

940
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,240
merit, fine. But if it doesn't have

941
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,560
merit, you have to explain as Miss uh

942
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,000
Councilwoman Fischer says she's going to

943
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,240
do maybe you as well, Council President.

944
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,240
But we are disillusioned. We need to

945
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,800
know the reasoning why this is being

946
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,359
repealed. The reason why even if it was,

947
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:23,200
pardon me, even if there were sections

948
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,119
where the person or company or

949
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,599
establishment decided to challenge,

950
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:32,800
maybe you could have fixed that section,

951
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,440
repaired it in some way where the

952
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,280
ordinance could have stand. You're

953
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,119
disregarding the neighbors and the

954
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:40,800
residents who came here and spoke

955
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,599
against it. Once again, how will you fix

956
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,679
this? How will you gain back the

957
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,240
integrity of this council where now

958
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:50,879
anyone withstanding can come up and say

959
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:53,280
well send my lawyer to send the council

960
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,599
or the mayor that they have to repeal

961
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:57,520
because I have an issue and if not I

962
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,400
will sue. How can you face members of

963
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,640
the public with this ordinance? Explain

964
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,359
it. We need to know restore the faith of

965
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:10,320
the people.

966
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,160
I know that I've asked many many other

967
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,760
times, override a veto,

968
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,079
you couldn't do it. But this you can do,

969
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,760
right? How can it be? Where is the moral

970
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,960
standing with you? Where do you tell

971
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,680
your constituents that your authority

972
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,240
stands no matter what? Again, if you

973
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,240
explain it to the people, let them know

974
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,880
that this has to be done because it

975
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,359
would be very expensive. is meritorious

976
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:41,599
and we will fix it. Then maybe we could

977
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,920
accept it. Again, this is not trying to

978
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,280
be um argumentative with you or pointing

979
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,920
the finger at you, but someone has to

980
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,359
explain this to members of the public.

981
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,119
Council President, I would hope that

982
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,440
this evening in in the spirit of

983
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,760
transparency that you are planning in in

984
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,079
the consent agenda, the members of the

985
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,480
public and the people who are watching

986
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,040
get all of the details necessary before

987
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,440
you vote for this ordinance. and I yield

988
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,640
back. Thank you.

989
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,560
>> Thank you. Motion to close public

990
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:10,960
hearing.

991
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,520
>> Motion.

992
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:11,920
>> Second.

993
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,720
>> All in favor?

994
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:13,680
>> I.

995
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,560
>> Counciloman Fischer.

996
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,320
>> Yep. So, just to answer

997
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,599
what both Miss Waiters and uh Mr. Rivera

998
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,440
mentioned, we we're still working on

999
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,599
this. There was um we put the ordinance

1000
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,440
in. And I think the sentiment was here

1001
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,240
from the council to support some sort of

1002
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,720
uh some sort of improvement to

1003
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,560
uh the use of sound um in certain public

1004
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,119
places that are too close to residential

1005
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:44,960
buildings. We we tried to do it along

1006
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,800
the uptown waterfront to to start. The

1007
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040
reason why it's being repealed is

1008
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:57,200
because of state law. Um, state law

1009
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,760
actually oversees like noise ordinance.

1010
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,960
This wasn't supposed to be a noise

1011
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,640
ordinance, so it was a bit of a snafu.

1012
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,079
The administration put it in the wrong

1013
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:08,800
place, but there's the the DP is who

1014
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,160
effectively controls noise ordinances

1015
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,760
and so we have to work with them. So

1016
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,960
>> on the waterfront yeah sorry on the

1017
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,640
waterfront. So, what has happened since

1018
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,520
that in parallel is the city has already

1019
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,320
reached out to the DP um who's actually

1020
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,320
updating their standards and we're going

1021
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,920
to work with them to figure out what we

1022
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,440
can do. Um but also we met with uh the

1023
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,839
berries that are the owners of Shipyard

1024
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,240
who did insinuate that they would take

1025
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,599
us to court. Um which they've they've

1026
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:44,560
done before. Um but we met with them and

1027
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,640
had a really constructive conversation

1028
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,880
about within their control. First of

1029
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,640
all, giving more context around what

1030
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,320
some of the issues are that had not

1031
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,560
elevated to the top parents of the

1032
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,079
company. Uh and then talked through some

1033
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,200
ways that we can be better partners, you

1034
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,760
know, in this area. All that being said,

1035
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,880
this was never targeted at Pier 13. Um,

1036
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,960
we've consistently tried to manage the

1037
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,800
relationship between a residential

1038
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,040
neighborhood in an area that is tourist

1039
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,359
and commercial and we bump into it with

1040
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:19,520
noise and with like bikes and scooters

1041
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,880
and stuff that are reckless on the

1042
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,280
waterfront. So, we are going to go back

1043
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,800
and take a stab at this. I mean, we have

1044
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,560
a new park that's going to open up, you

1045
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,000
know, a year and a half from now, right

1046
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,960
on Wehawken Cove that is right next to

1047
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,880
uh some residential buildings in Hoboken

1048
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,800
in my ward as well as we hawken that

1049
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,480
we're going to need the same type of

1050
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,720
restrictions. So, we're actively, you

1051
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,160
know, the administration's been very

1052
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,920
supportive about trying to figure out a

1053
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,079
way to bring this back in time for next

1054
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,079
summer and we won't have it for the end

1055
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:47,200
of this year anyway. It doesn't matter,

1056
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,960
but we are hoping to have something um

1057
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,480
in time for next spring. So, that's it.

1058
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,366
President Councilman Cohen.

1059
00:38:58,376 --> 00:38:58,960
[snorts]

1060
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,079
>> Thank you, Counc. Um, Manny, to answer

1061
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,960
your question, how we got here, uh, I

1062
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,760
think it is important to talk about how

1063
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,400
we got here. So, I I first learned about

1064
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,079
this ordinance on August 12th.

1065
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,400
Councilman Fischer and I actually wore

1066
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,000
working together on another ordinance,

1067
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,480
uh, Berg Glass ordinance, and we

1068
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,000
actually were working well together on

1069
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,599
that. We had a bunch of conversations

1070
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:22,800
about it

1071
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,040
>> uh the last minute and the same night we

1072
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,640
were going to be hearing about this on

1073
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,960
first reading and she described it to me

1074
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,960
>> and uh one of the things she said about

1075
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,800
it was that it was going to regulate

1076
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,480
waterfront noise in the waterfront

1077
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,839
district and I just had a single

1078
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:40,560
question which was which was um

1079
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,680
have you contacted Pier 13 because you

1080
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,160
know having lived in Hoboken for 40

1081
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,560
years uh having seen the development of

1082
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,119
the waterfront There really, to my

1083
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,400
knowledge, there's only one business

1084
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,480
that had amplified sound on the entire

1085
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,240
waterfront that was being affected. And

1086
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,520
Councilwoman Fischer told me that she

1087
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,560
hadn't, but that it was a good

1088
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,000
suggestion that she would reach out to

1089
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,480
them. And in fact, she did the day that

1090
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,760
it was introduced. Uh, and frankly, I

1091
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,440
didn't think about that again. It came

1092
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,760
back on September 2nd. That's when it

1093
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,960
was for second reading for approval. And

1094
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,240
uh we heard for the first time from the

1095
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,599
representatives of Pure 13 a number of

1096
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,079
issues. I I raised concerns about the

1097
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,160
fact that it seemed like maybe we were

1098
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,640
singling out a single business. It

1099
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,880
seemed like, you know, maybe we could be

1100
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,560
more collaborative and try and work

1101
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,400
together rather than impose $1,000 fines

1102
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,480
for violations and $250 per month permit

1103
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,280
just to operate with an outdoor speaker.

1104
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,280
Uh and what I heard in addition to those

1105
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,040
concerns about possibly singling out a

1106
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,599
single business was that uh there were

1107
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,880
legal issues as well. Uh constitutional

1108
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,119
issues relating to targeting vagueness

1109
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,040
because when it comes to noise

1110
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,720
ordinances, it's important to have a

1111
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,960
decibel level in order to enforce it

1112
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,040
consistently. And it shouldn't be up to

1113
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,280
someone who's like that sounds loud so

1114
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,599
you get a ticket. But no, you're above a

1115
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,680
certain number of decibb and that's how

1116
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,680
you enforce the law fairly. That's how

1117
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,119
noise ordinance are supposed to work.

1118
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,440
There were no decibel numbers in this.

1119
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,760
And and our corporation council said

1120
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,000
when we I asked, "Have you considered

1121
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,440
these issues? Would you like to consider

1122
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,240
them?" She said, "You know what? I

1123
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,000
haven't considered those issues." And

1124
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,079
she asked the entire city council to

1125
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:35,119
take a beat and to do legal research and

1126
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:40,160
get back to us. Okay? and uh we decided

1127
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,599
not to. And part of the reason we

1128
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:43,119
decided not to is because Councilwoman

1129
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,680
Fischer was very insistent that we

1130
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,599
needed to move quickly. This was common

1131
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,200
sense. It was reasonable. It wasn't

1132
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,839
targeting anybody. Uh but we learned

1133
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:53,440
something interesting at that September

1134
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,800
2nd meeting. And I want to give credit

1135
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,960
to council president. He called up

1136
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Director Fanti and Director Fanti came

1137
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:04,000
up and he reported to us on the history

1138
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,079
of noise violations in the city of

1139
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,760
Hoboken over the last 14 months and he

1140
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,160
told us that there were 1,00

1141
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,829
1,400

1142
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:20,240
some odd complaints that had taken place

1143
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:24,079
over the last 14 months. And 32 of those

1144
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,680
complaints, 32 of those complaints were

1145
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,760
directed at Pier 13. One, actually, it's

1146
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,280
1,140

1147
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,760
noise complaints over 14 months. 32 of

1148
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,960
them came from Pier 13. And in response

1149
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,280
to that, Councilwoman Fischer was

1150
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,760
indignant, couldn't believe the numbers

1151
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,800
were that low. And then she said that

1152
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,640
she personally had called the police 32

1153
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,200
times on this business personally. So,

1154
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,119
it seemed person to me, it seemed

1155
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,560
personal. And frankly, I think that was

1156
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,160
pretty good evidence to hand to someone

1157
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,680
who wants to sue the city that they're

1158
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,240
being targeted that in fact they were

1159
00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,520
being targeted. So I think that's

1160
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,520
problematic. In any event, two weeks

1161
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,599
later, we get a memo from Corporation

1162
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:06,160
Council and Corporation Council provided

1163
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,920
us the me the memo right before the

1164
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,800
meeting. And what did the memo say? It

1165
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,400
said that not only were the uh concerns,

1166
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,040
legal concerns legitimate that should be

1167
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,200
considered, but that the DP would not

1168
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,040
could not

1169
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,040
grant the noise ordinance from a city

1170
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,720
without written approval from the D. The

1171
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,520
city had never approached the D. So

1172
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,319
again, it call it my spidey sense, call

1173
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:36,720
it having lived through this council

1174
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:39,920
before, but I have seen this council

1175
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,480
name and blame businesses for problems

1176
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,520
in this city. Okay? I've seen this

1177
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,319
council name and blame a single mom and

1178
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:51,040
pop shop that has a cannabis dispensary

1179
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,200
as being responsible for all the ills of

1180
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,760
cannabis and children in America. Okay?

1181
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,160
I've seen this council name and blame a

1182
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,880
single business with a streetery for

1183
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,119
being responsible for every rat in the

1184
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,680
city of Hoboken and naming that

1185
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,359
business. Okay.

1186
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:10,960
>> It is better in a mile square city to be

1187
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,960
working collaboratively

1188
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,440
with our businesses and support our

1189
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,599
businesses and to come up with voluntary

1190
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:21,280
solutions rather than draconian fines

1191
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,200
and targeting or what appears to be

1192
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,280
targeting. Again, you could say I'm not

1193
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,440
targeting all you want, but when you say

1194
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680
that I called the police 32 times on

1195
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,680
this business, it raises questions.

1196
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,040
Okay? And you don't need to be Perry

1197
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,200
Mason to come up with a persuasive brief

1198
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,079
on that.

1199
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,280
>> Okay. So, so let me let me just wrap up

1200
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,560
and say this.

1201
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,760
>> Yeah. You want wrapped up?

1202
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,440
>> I will wrap up.

1203
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,079
>> I I it's important that we repeal this.

1204
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,319
I urge my colleagues to repeal this. The

1205
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:50,720
city faces significant legal jeopardy if

1206
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,880
this does not pass. and I hope that we

1207
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,560
work with our businesses in a

1208
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,920
collaborative way

1209
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,040
>> in the future. Thank you.

1210
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,680
>> Can I

1211
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,400
>> But in spite of all that, uh, Councilman

1212
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,599
Cohen, I think you look forward to

1213
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,040
working with Councilwoman Fischer.

1214
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,440
>> I I don't need to neighborhood to try

1215
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,880
and recognize there were issues with

1216
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:07,359
them

1217
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:07,839
>> 100%

1218
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:09,119
>> because a lot of what you said is like

1219
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:10,960
>> and I'm glad that that she had a meeting

1220
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,319
this week with the owners of the

1221
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:13,440
business to do that. So,

1222
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,640
>> because I'm just going to make a quick

1223
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,040
statement. I I prom I promise every

1224
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,480
member in the council.

1225
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,520
>> Thank you, Council President. And I

1226
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,560
promised the council, I promised the

1227
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,599
members of the audience, I'm not going

1228
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,520
to rehash the whole history of this. Uh,

1229
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,119
I just wanted to add that in my

1230
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,720
conversations with C councilwoman

1231
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,400
Fischer, and I think I said it at the

1232
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,240
meeting, too. I'm looking forward to

1233
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,079
making sure that we're doing this across

1234
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:33,920
the entire city. And of course, she was

1235
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,760
very open to that. So, I'm looking

1236
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,599
forward to it and making sure the entire

1237
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,920
city is [snorts] protected when it comes

1238
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,160
to noise and the quality of life across

1239
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,240
the city. So, thank you.

1240
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,160
>> All right. Now, I'll defend. Um, first

1241
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,079
of all, I think the only targeting that

1242
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,240
is happening is Phil spending a whole

1243
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,079
day targeting me, which is typically

1244
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:54,880
what happens. Um,

1245
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,079
>> the the actual history here, not the one

1246
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,240
that is the halftruths, which he

1247
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:04,160
typically does, is we met with I met

1248
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,119
repeatedly. First, first of all, it's

1249
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,400
all noise. We we uh passed a law a

1250
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,359
couple years ago to not allow fireworks

1251
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:15,040
to be launched from the waterfront

1252
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,359
because the noise was so loud and

1253
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,680
actually loud to the owners of Applied.

1254
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,839
They reached out to me um or the

1255
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:23,440
management of Applied reached out to me

1256
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,200
at the time. We met with I met with the

1257
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,480
management company of Pier 13 probably

1258
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,800
in April for the first time. Um, I

1259
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,960
talked to them on the phone multiple

1260
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,800
times. Um, I texted with them multiple

1261
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,400
times and I've been in receipt of, uh,

1262
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,560
complaints from residents, noise

1263
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,880
complaints all summer. And every time I

1264
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,119
received a noise complaint, I called the

1265
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:53,520
police as well. And so, I don't know if

1266
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,079
it was 32 times, but it was a lot. I we

1267
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,280
made the calls. Um, at one point they

1268
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,359
were trying to be a good partner. Then

1269
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:03,839
they stopped trying to be a good partner

1270
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,240
and I said to them like we need to find

1271
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,480
a solution here. I don't want to go into

1272
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,960
a situation where we have to look at

1273
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,640
other ways to do it. Um like legislative

1274
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,119
changes to help manage you know manage

1275
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:19,200
sound on the waterfront. But this was a

1276
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,440
continuing dialogue that went on for

1277
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,839
five or six months. Who I didn't speak

1278
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:26,240
to was the berries who are the owners

1279
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,400
because I didn't feel like we needed to

1280
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,160
elevate. we were working with uh the

1281
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,760
management company when they sat here

1282
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,839
and said that they they didn't the

1283
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:36,640
Darren the manager it was a lie and I

1284
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,520
have all the text messages to prove it.

1285
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,319
So, additionally, when we worked on

1286
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:44,560
this, it was never a noise ordinance.

1287
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,040
What it was was a permitting process to

1288
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,119
just require a permit for amplified

1289
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:52,960
sound for any kind of amplified sound

1290
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,720
whether it's Pure 13, whether it was

1291
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,920
anyone else, whether it is a nonprofit

1292
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,319
forprofit, whatever it is, from Maxwell

1293
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:03,520
all the way up to uh what will be um

1294
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,760
Cove Park. It was never meant to be an

1295
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,480
or noise ordinance. Um it involved input

1296
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,640
from the police department. It involved

1297
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,800
input from police officers. It was

1298
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,280
reviewed by our prior corporation

1299
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,480
council who said she was okay with it.

1300
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,400
was a It was reviewed by our

1301
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,000
assistant business administrator who

1302
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,800
helped draft it. There was weeks that

1303
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,319
went into this. And when it went on the

1304
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:32,000
agenda, it had all of that in there. And

1305
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,400
what what happened though is when they

1306
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,800
put the par like where it sits in our

1307
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,640
ordinance, they decided to put it into

1308
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,160
the Nor's ordinance. It wasn't supposed

1309
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,280
to be there. it was supposed to be in a

1310
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,599
totally different section. There's

1311
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,240
implications of that which is the D

1312
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,559
controls the noise ordinance. So

1313
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,800
suddenly we had this whole conversation

1314
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,040
um at the the second reading on

1315
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,200
something new that I wasn't even aware

1316
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,839
that was in uh the noise ordinance and

1317
00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:59,599
we had a council member that repeatedly

1318
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,280
said over and over and over the

1319
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,640
narrative that the that applied might

1320
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,079
use against us that we were targeting

1321
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:07,520
them. We weren't targeting them. This is

1322
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,800
a continuing dialogue. So,

1323
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,084
as a result of getting the feedback, we

1324
00:49:14,084 --> 00:49:15,359
[clears throat] did decide to pull it. I

1325
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:17,200
voted yes last time. I'll vote yes

1326
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,200
tonight. Nothing controversy. We're just

1327
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,760
going to work on a different path. One

1328
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,119
thing I will say is the the reference to

1329
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:28,240
32. As uh director Franti who just left

1330
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:29,839
knows,

1331
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:33,119
it's not 32. It's a much larger number.

1332
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:34,640
I don't have all the numbers in front of

1333
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,200
me. And what it ends up representing for

1334
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,280
every Friday and Saturday night in the

1335
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,520
city of Hoboken during the the months

1336
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,960
that they're open, one out of every five

1337
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,880
noise complaints in the city is Pier 13.

1338
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,079
So it's not 30. It might be 32 out of

1339
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,880
1,400 for the year, but these guys are

1340
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,040
only op they only operate, you know,

1341
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,319
from May until October. And really their

1342
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:02,160
huge noise are the party nights which

1343
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,839
are on the weekends. So when you go into

1344
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:06,400
those, literally one out of every five.

1345
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,800
So I do my work. I do the detailed work.

1346
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,720
I do all the background. I do

1347
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:13,040
everything. I talk with people all the

1348
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,520
time. I brought in input from the

1349
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,440
administration. We got approval from

1350
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,319
council. We came here and Councilman

1351
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:23,119
Cohen, who always targets me, so be on

1352
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,119
the lookout, came [snorts] and said,

1353
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:28,400
"How can I possibly possibly make this

1354
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,720
difficult?" And and tonight all he wants

1355
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,559
to do is say I'm a terrible person.

1356
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,119
That's who Councilman Cohen is, right?

1357
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,040
That's who he is. So anyway, we're

1358
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,040
voting yes tonight. It's fine. Since

1359
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,319
then, as I mentioned, we met Monday. The

1360
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:45,040
mayor set up a meeting with Applied to

1361
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,119
sit at the table. I was invited to it.

1362
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,599
We had a 45minute conversation on what

1363
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,000
we can do together in preparation for

1364
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,480
next year. And

1365
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,079
uh our BA was there. You were there,

1366
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:56,480
right?

1367
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:56,960
>> On the phone.

1368
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,640
That's right. But you've

1369
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,960
already reached out to the D, right? you

1370
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,200
guys have reached out to the D and we're

1371
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,040
having the dialogue on what we can do in

1372
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,440
advance of next summer or maybe you did

1373
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,520
>> one either either our corporation

1374
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,520
council VA someone did so we're working

1375
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,839
on it anyway that's it it's annoying

1376
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:15,599
that I even have to walk through all of

1377
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,839
this purely because someone spent all

1378
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:19,839
day coming up with a narrative to just

1379
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:22,640
come and like say bad things about me so

1380
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,760
it's fine I'm always happy to you know

1381
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,800
correct the record and give the truth

1382
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,000
>> call vote a lot of

1383
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,040
>> Mr. Tone.

1384
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:31,839
>> Hi.

1385
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:32,800
>> Firestone.

1386
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,359
>> Yes.

1387
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:34,079
>> Fisher.

1388
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:34,559
>> Yes.

1389
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:35,520
>> Mrs. Irish.

1390
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,079
>> Yes.

1391
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:36,800
>> Leon.

1392
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,359
>> Yes.

1393
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:38,640
>> Mr. Presidento.

1394
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,599
>> Hi.

1395
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:40,319
>> Cano.

1396
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:40,720
>> Hi.

1397
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:41,839
>> Mr. Russo.

1398
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:43,920
>> Can I explain the history one more time?

1399
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,400
>> Yeah.

1400
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,700
>> We didn't get it. We didn't get it all.

1401
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:48,480
[laughter]

1402
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,760
>> President Ramos.

1403
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,839
>> Hi. Those a lot of words for a yes.

1404
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:56,470
>> We're up to the consent agenda.

1405
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,839
» Public.

1406
00:51:57,839 --> 00:51:59,200
>> No, you have to public.

1407
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,829
>> Public. Yeah. Uh

1408
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:07,200
relax. Uh Manuel Rivera Solair Pat just

1409
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,760
left the room.

1410
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,870
>> She left the room.

1411
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,720
» Sure. I'll go first. [clears throat] C

1412
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,000
president man six word resident. Uh C

1413
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,440
president again this is my consent

1414
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,000
agenda. This is where all pencils go up.

1415
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,640
I'm seeing I'm making sure. Just

1416
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,440
kidding. Just kidding. You you had to

1417
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,119
see the last meeting that when I lost my

1418
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:32,800
voice, you cracked jokes. So, I'm

1419
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,200
cracking jokes now. I even I even

1420
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,280
unbuttoned my first button because uh uh

1421
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,760
council president. Um anyway, consent

1422
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,119
agenda. Council President, there's a

1423
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:42,480
many things that I'm going to ask a

1424
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,400
question for, but before I lose your

1425
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,280
interest, I'm going to speak first on

1426
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,599
CL2 through CL5. Council President, um

1427
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,319
it would be again, as I always say, it

1428
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:57,440
would be a good thing if members of the

1429
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,760
public could understand the reasoning

1430
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,160
why these uh resolutions are here. Um

1431
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,760
the rules um of participation,

1432
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,640
we need to understand why it why at this

1433
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,880
point you're changing your rules for the

1434
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,720
meetings.

1435
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,559
Why these rules need to be implemented

1436
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,800
at this time? again and once again I

1437
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,040
just want to thank you for for um

1438
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,920
discussing the prior um ordinance.

1439
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,880
So again, can you briefly explain to

1440
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,040
members of the public there are three

1441
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,480
ordinance, pardon me, there are four

1442
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,480
ordinances here. What are the rule

1443
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,400
changes? Why you're implementing these

1444
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,280
rule changes? Why the order and rotating

1445
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,240
of uh roll call for voting? Why do you

1446
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:47,119
have to change this? Why do you need to

1447
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,160
have um the the first reading which of

1448
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,319
course I've always asked for that you

1449
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:55,920
know for you to discuss more of the

1450
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,240
ordinances in first reading. It's very

1451
00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:59,680
important again that members of the

1452
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,839
public understand what is the business?

1453
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:04,160
Why is it required? Council President,

1454
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,240
these are just simple questions. Again,

1455
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:07,599
a caucus meeting would have been

1456
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:10,800
helpful, but alas, we don't have one.

1457
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,960
And again, council president, can

1458
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,280
members of the public get a brief, clear

1459
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,680
synopsis? Can the residents understand

1460
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,319
not only the rules that are being

1461
00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:23,359
amended but why these changes are

1462
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:26,240
necessary and what particular difference

1463
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,359
the public should expect to see council

1464
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:32,960
president and that was those

1465
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,119
agenda now I'm very interested in

1466
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,680
knowing in consent agenda I'm going to

1467
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,079
go directly to infrastructure I1 I2 I5

1468
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,119
I7 I3 council president the one that I'm

1469
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,520
really interested is and I5 is why is

1470
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,040
that bid for the Tommy Oliviveri um

1471
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,280
being rejected and is there a a

1472
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,520
contingency uh to replace that vendor or

1473
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,599
whoever that was that was going to

1474
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,559
provide that for the um park. It's very

1475
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,960
important. It's a very important park.

1476
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Many members of the public um take their

1477
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,599
children there and it is almost

1478
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:14,079
historic. So that would be important if

1479
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:15,280
you can let members of the public

1480
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,359
understand why that bid was changed.

1481
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:21,440
again in um public safety uh PS1.

1482
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,000
Council President, um again, I would

1483
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,839
like you through you to ask the the

1484
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:29,520
pardon me, I'm rushing to ask the

1485
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,720
council, especially council member um

1486
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,440
Cano if in the next opportunity that he

1487
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,119
may have to donate um uh safety

1488
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:41,920
equipment for other municipalities if he

1489
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,960
may take in consideration,

1490
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,000
Puerto Rico, Ekamoy, Puerto Rico. These

1491
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,160
um municipalities should be our system

1492
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,280
municipalities. Um they are loving

1493
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,920
coastal cities who need every every

1494
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,559
opportunity to have extra safety. And

1495
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:00,799
again, if you can help us understand uh

1496
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:02,559
how what's the reasoning and how does

1497
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:05,520
that work so we can apply and council

1498
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,559
president I see I still have time so I

1499
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,400
will proceed.

1500
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,119
um in community development, CD 1, CD2

1501
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:16,960
and community service, which I also

1502
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,119
think is redundant to community. Um it

1503
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:25,839
just makes no sense. Um C CS1

1504
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:29,119
and of course like I said in finance F1,

1505
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,520
F2, F3. Council President, that is it.

1506
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,359
That is what I have. I appreciate the

1507
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:35,359
attention. I hope um members of the

1508
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:37,920
public can hear some of the answers. And

1509
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,799
with that, I have time, so I will yield

1510
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:42,240
it back to you, sir. Thank you.

1511
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:48,309
>> Thank you. Pat Waiters.

1512
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:51,040
» Manny did most of Pat is 15 church

1513
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,760
towers.

1514
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,280
>> Manny did most of mine, but I'm going to

1515
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,359
take my time and go through in case he

1516
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:58,400
forgot anything. CD1,

1517
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,599
CD2, CD3,

1518
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:04,240
affordable housing, administrative aging

1519
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:06,880
services, an increased amount

1520
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,480
of

1521
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,799
108,000.

1522
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:12,559
I I need answers, please, too, and

1523
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:15,200
answer these. And then the affordable

1524
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,799
housing trust fund, the rental assistant

1525
00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:21,280
demolation, that's Michael Russo. Yeah,

1526
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,000
Russo and Paul. and then the release and

1527
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,200
information of the bond or Okay. What

1528
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,119
I'm concerned about is the housing

1529
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:30,720
authority.

1530
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,240
Where do this money go? I I got a call

1531
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,040
today a few people facing evictions and

1532
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,480
they said we going to send this

1533
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,119
paperwork to the city. We're going to

1534
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,520
send it to the city. Do this help with

1535
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,200
those evictions that's in the housing

1536
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,319
authority who

1537
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:46,960
>> with

1538
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:47,599
>> which one you talking?

1539
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:52,079
>> CD2. CD2 and CD12 is on here. See, all

1540
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,400
of them is Hoboken housing authority.

1541
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,319
One of them is for the lawyer, one of

1542
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:59,680
them is for um housing, the rental

1543
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,280
assistance

1544
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,240
cuz we got rental assistance like a CDA.

1545
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,200
Uh I just asked Chris too. It's funded

1546
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,280
by CDBG&H

1547
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,079
that's funded. But Mr. Reo quick to say

1548
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,240
federal. If this is federally funded,

1549
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,799
how do you get grants from the state

1550
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:18,720
asking for this money and where do it

1551
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,880
go?

1552
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,160
Where do the money go? Pat,

1553
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,000
>> that one's pulled specifically.

1554
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,280
>> Yeah, CD2 was pulled.

1555
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,240
>> I know it's pulled to October 21st, but

1556
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,559
can I please get answers before then?

1557
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,079
Because this is kind of fishy because

1558
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,480
since 2021, I got paperwork and

1559
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,960
documents where rents was being paid and

1560
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,920
it's not being allocated for. And I know

1561
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,680
this for a fact. So, that's what I'm

1562
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,680
telling the new council members. Stop

1563
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,359
being quick to put your name on stuff

1564
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:47,839
without doing your homework. Now with

1565
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:50,640
the park, I got real emotional with this

1566
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,040
Olivaria uh the the appointment I mean

1567
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,480
the um thing being pulled by Mr. Cohen,

1568
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,799
the bond being rejected. I lived right

1569
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:01,119
next door to that park and everybody in

1570
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:03,680
1219 Willow, I hope y'all watching and

1571
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,200
y'all friends across the street in the

1572
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,839
fifth ward and make sure Phil Cohen do

1573
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:10,000
not get elected because that's

1574
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,000
disgusting. That whole family came out

1575
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,720
here for real and we when Beth Mason was

1576
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,880
still here, the family came out here. We

1577
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,599
redesigned that park and again you see

1578
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:21,280
how ugly it look when Donald Trump doing

1579
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,200
that too taking down statues and

1580
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,000
rechanging stuff. It looks horrible

1581
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,839
because that family came here and

1582
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:30,160
pleaded to this council and I lived

1583
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,760
right next door. My kids was like three

1584
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:32,799
and four. You could send them

1585
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:34,720
downstairs, open the door and go right

1586
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,960
in the gate to the park. So y'all just

1587
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,799
vote anything without even considering

1588
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:41,520
people feelings. It's disgusting. And

1589
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:42,960
then you sit up there and smile because

1590
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,599
it ain't impacting you.

1591
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:50,799
That was 15. No, I5 that the park

1592
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:54,079
>> and I'm not finished.

1593
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:56,079
>> The donation of the fire department. I

1594
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,640
mean the fire engine that Thanks Mandy

1595
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,000
spoke about that the transparency laws.

1596
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,359
I had to this is what I came out for.

1597
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:08,160
What what you going to do Paul Miss or

1598
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,599
whoever sponsoring this to improve the

1599
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,480
integrity of this town? This is long

1600
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,319
overdue. And I'mma say this and I'mma be

1601
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:18,240
sincere because you saying integrity,

1602
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,079
but you on here with Michael Russo, too.

1603
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,079
And I just learned today that you own a

1604
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,280
building. So just out of integrity, you

1605
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,480
shouldn't even be putting your name on

1606
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,960
here. I didn't know that, but you on

1607
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,200
here. Wait, let me finish.

1608
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,200
>> You on here. And the thing that g me the

1609
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,799
chills, I used to sit in this audience

1610
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:37,599
with you. And I will always say, if you

1611
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,280
get up there, what would you do? And you

1612
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,920
already showed us. Okay. So y'all get

1613
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,920
cocky once y'all move from here and be

1614
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,160
up there and take a known disregard to

1615
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,839
the people that still live here. And

1616
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:50,319
this is troubling. It's troubling

1617
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:52,400
because you going to improve the way the

1618
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,559
elections ran and the list goes on. I

1619
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:56,400
don't want to waste all my time.

1620
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,799
Integrity is in question in this city

1621
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:00,480
since Dawn Zimmer left and appointed

1622
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,280
Ravi. And all of y'all give these long

1623
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,839
stories and at the end say yes. Vote

1624
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:07,440
anyway. You know why? Cuz there's no

1625
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,119
transparency and y'all already cut the

1626
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:10,720
deal. How many years I've been saying

1627
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,040
that? I'm still seeing appointments on

1628
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,200
here, disrespecting the public. We don't

1629
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,440
know. Now, housing authority asking

1630
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,599
y'all again, every one of y'all. And I

1631
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:21,520
dare y'all to say no. Go down to the

1632
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,680
housing authority at election time and

1633
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,000
depend on those poor, vulnerable people,

1634
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,640
right? They ask y'all over and over why

1635
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,040
Pat Waiters is not a commissioner. WE

1636
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,000
WANT PAT WAITERS. We want Pat Waiters.

1637
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,000
BUT Y'ALL NEVER TOLD THEM THE process

1638
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,720
how you got to call a vote. 15 seconds.

1639
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,160
>> All right. You got to meet at the back

1640
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,960
door roundts to get me on that board. So

1641
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,799
with your transparency, these five

1642
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:46,480
things that you got on here tonight,

1643
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,240
let's see y'all go to work and really

1644
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,640
change it from the buying the votes to

1645
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,799
everything else. Seriously, cuz I'm

1646
01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:54,960
waking my people up and we getting ready

1647
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,720
to start a movement right here in

1648
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,920
Hoboken. Stop deceiving us. This is

1649
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:00,720
disgusting.

1650
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:01,280
>> Thank you, Pat.

1651
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,400
>> And it ain't a joke, Paul. It hurts.

1652
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,000
Y'all been doing this for centuries.

1653
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,920
>> Thanks, Pat. Thank you.

1654
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,160
>> Thank you. Appreciate it. Motion to

1655
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,040
close public hearing.

1656
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,160
>> Motion.

1657
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,520
>> Second. All in favor?

1658
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:14,319
>> I.

1659
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:16,559
>> All right. We have

1660
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,960
I'll go through

1661
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,559
I5

1662
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,680
is a rejection of bids. It is not like

1663
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,920
stopping the project. Is a rejecting of

1664
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,119
bids. I think there was number.

1665
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:30,400
>> I think they're they're actually going

1666
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,359
to probably submit a new proposal on the

1667
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:34,480
next meeting.

1668
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,240
>> The work on the park is going to happen.

1669
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,400
>> Yeah. So, the Tom Olive Park is going to

1670
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,040
be repaired.

1671
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,280
>> Correct.

1672
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,680
>> She doesn't want I'm going to tell her.

1673
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,200
>> That's right. We just want the public to

1674
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,200
know. Like she said a lot of things. You

1675
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:48,480
want the public to know it's moving

1676
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,760
forward. We'll have a new proposal.

1677
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,359
>> The project is moving forward. Moving

1678
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:52,799
forward.

1679
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:54,720
>> The bids were much higher than

1680
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,319
anticipated. The work is much more

1681
01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:57,920
specific than needs to be anticipated.

1682
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,839
So, there's more work that needs to be

1683
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:01,440
included in the bids going forward. So,

1684
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:02,960
that's where that's where that's going

1685
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,160
to be. So, I think the bids are going to

1686
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,319
be reissued in the very near future for

1687
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:08,160
I5 and that park is going to be

1688
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,680
rehabilitated. Uh PS1, that's a

1689
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,040
long-term partnership. It's going on for

1690
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,440
a number of years between uh the city of

1691
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,000
Hoboken and the town of Bokach Chica in

1692
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,160
Dominican Republic. In the past, Hoboken

1693
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,119
has also partnered up with uh Valiba in

1694
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:24,880
Puerto Rico for police cars. We've done

1695
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,880
in the past. So, this is I believe the

1696
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,960
third time that they're donating a fire

1697
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,760
apparatus to uh Boach Chica. And it's a

1698
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,520
process that uh they've we've gone

1699
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,520
through as a sister city of ours in

1700
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,599
Dominican Republic uh for a number of

1701
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:42,319
years now. Uh CD CD1 is just an increase

1702
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:44,640
in the administrative agency. Next year

1703
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,960
we have a number of affordable housing

1704
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,319
units coming online with all the

1705
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:50,000
buildings uh in town you're seeing

1706
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,559
constructed. So we have a number of

1707
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:55,359
units being being used for affordable

1708
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:57,440
housing very near future. So that is

1709
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,200
increasing the funds to make sure that waiting list and everything else is

1710
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,559
being carried out properly and those

1711
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:04,720
residents are being informed of where

1712
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,400
they're where they stand in the waiting

1713
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:07,440
list which I think we have to improve

1714
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:08,960
upon a little bit because the number of

1715
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,720
calls I get every week where people are

1716
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:11,760
on the waiting list is just

1717
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,039
astronomical. It's probably the number

1718
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,680
one thing that I get is where am I on

1719
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,119
the affordable housing waiting list?

1720
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:18,240
>> 20,000 on the list.

1721
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,599
>> Yeah. And so people want to know where

1722
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:22,559
they are and and that uh it seems to be

1723
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:24,880
difficult for people to find. So that

1724
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,480
should be improved upon as we move

1725
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,039
forward. Uh CD2 is the environmental

1726
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,280
review for the HHA redevelopment plan.

1727
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,599
So this is one again one step further

1728
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:36,880
and we're funding that through the

1729
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,640
community development block grant uh

1730
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,160
from the city that again is on the

1731
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,240
parking lot of forth and Harrison. So

1732
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,400
this is for the environmental review. So

1733
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,559
we are helping the housing authority uh

1734
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:49,839
with that process there. Uh

1735
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:55,200
PS1 that we address that one. CS1.

1736
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,799
Which one's CS1? I want to help me out

1737
01:04:56,799 --> 01:05:02,470
on that one. I could go to

1738
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,400
» CS1.

1739
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,000
Is it CS?

1740
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,280
>> CS1.

1741
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,119
>> Oh, yeah. CS. There we go.

1742
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:10,319
>> It's the register.

1743
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:11,680
>> Oh, exist.

1744
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:12,960
>> That's just appoint a new appointment.

1745
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,880
Someone resigned. Someone retired, I

1746
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,880
should say. Someone retired. There's a

1747
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,400
promotion,

1748
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,200
>> right? No.

1749
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:19,920
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1750
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,000
>> Yes. Right. Yep. Correct. CS1 that

1751
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
correct that is that is accurate. So we

1752
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,160
had an individual that retired and we

1753
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,240
are promoting someone to that uh

1754
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:33,920
position. So that is what CS1 is and

1755
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,760
F1, F2, F3. I believe those are all tax.

1756
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,559
Oh no, sorry.

1757
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:42,319
>> Who's pulling one for discussion?

1758
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:44,079
>> Yeah, you guys got a second agenda.

1759
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:44,640
Councilman.

1760
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,559
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, listen. F

1761
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,400
F2 is just grants for fire for the

1762
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,319
firefighter homeland security FEMA grant

1763
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:57,280
FEMA assistance. Uh that's it. F3 is the GIF fund we go through every year.

1764
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:58,640
The health infrastructure fund and

1765
01:05:58,640 --> 01:05:59,839
that's it. Members of the council, what

1766
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:01,839
are you pulling?

1767
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:03,280
>> I have CD4.

1768
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:03,920
>> CD

1769
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,039
>> CD4.

1770
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:09,599
I think CL2 and CL through CL5. I think

1771
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:10,559
people want to hear from that. We'll

1772
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:11,680
just pull those off.

1773
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,079
>> CL2 through CL5. Yeah.

1774
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:17,039
>> All four of them. Okay. I1, I2.

1775
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:21,280
>> I have T1, T2, and T3.

1776
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,359
>> I1, I2.

1777
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:23,920
>> Which one?

1778
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:33,990
>> I1 and I2.

1779
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,039
» Uh, which CD do we say again?

1780
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:40,480
>> CD4.

1781
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:41,760
>> Vote on consent agenda.

1782
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:42,880
>> Mr. Con?

1783
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,240
>> I. By Stone,

1784
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:45,280
>> yes. Fiser.

1785
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:45,680
>> Yes.

1786
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:46,640
>> Mr. Zyus.

1787
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:47,039
>> Yes.

1788
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:47,680
>> Glacon.

1789
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:48,160
>> Yes.

1790
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,039
>> President Zano.

1791
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:49,359
>> Hi.

1792
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:50,480
>> Mr. Cano.

1793
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:50,880
>> Hi.

1794
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,240
>> Mr. Russo.

1795
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,039
>> No. On all other pay and overtime pay.

1796
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:56,960
And yes on the rest.

1797
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,880
>> President Ramos.

1798
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,200
>> I.

1799
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,950
>> CD4.

1800
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:05,839
You said

1801
01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:06,559
>> Yeah. CD4.

1802
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:08,799
>> Okay. I'll start up on that. So CD4 is

1803
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:11,680
just um it's an amendment of the zoning

1804
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,440
um for Willow Terrace and the purpose of

1805
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,440
this is to adopt some of the um

1806
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,160
suggestions in the master plan which is

1807
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,119
to really preserve the unique and

1808
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:27,920
historic quality of that specific

1809
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,359
neighborhood. Um because the

1810
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:30,880
neighborhood of Willow Terrace is

1811
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,000
actually situated in I believe it's the

1812
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,200
R2 district. So, the lot sizes made no

1813
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,520
sense. R1, was that R1? Thank you,

1814
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,599
Chris. Um, R1 district. So, um, there

1815
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:47,760
were the the basics of what's allowed

1816
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,079
didn't apply to Willow Terrace at all

1817
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:52,640
with regard to the lot, the lot size.

1818
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,480
That's okay. The light lot size and the

1819
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,240
lot coverage and the um the height. And

1820
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:02,480
so we have put restrictions in place to

1821
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,400
um sort of preserve the character of the

1822
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,559
neighborhood uh to to make adjustments

1823
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,480
such as you can only have one dwelling

1824
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,599
on one lot. You can't combine two or

1825
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,159
three if you were to acquire them and

1826
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:19,839
turn them into an apartment complex. Um,

1827
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:23,600
and it also addresses the variances that

1828
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,000
have been handed out historically, um,

1829
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,239
where the majority,

1830
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:30,640
I would say the majority of them are at

1831
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,520
80% lot coverage because the lots are so

1832
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,199
small. Um, so we we really, uh, worked

1833
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:39,920
with the residents to um, make sure

1834
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,880
that, you know, the vast majority were

1835
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,520
on board with this. So this is adopting

1836
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,799
master plan recommendations to protect

1837
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:51,839
the neighborhood of Willow Terrace.

1838
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:53,679
>> And members of the council, call the

1839
01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:55,199
vote.

1840
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:57,120
>> Thank you, Councilwoman.

1841
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,120
>> That's this one.

1842
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,960
>> CD4, Mr. Clark.

1843
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,719
>> Uh on C4, Mr. Con.

1844
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:03,759
>> Hi.

1845
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:04,640
>> Firestone.

1846
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:05,040
>> Yes.

1847
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:05,759
>> Fisher.

1848
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:06,319
>> Yes.

1849
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:07,199
>> Mrs.

1850
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:07,520
>> Yes.

1851
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,480
>> Mrs. Le.

1852
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:09,040
>> Yes.

1853
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,159
>> Mr. President.

1854
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:10,560
>> Hi.

1855
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:11,920
>> Mr. Cano.

1856
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:12,319
>> Hi.

1857
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:14,239
>> Mr. Russo. I

1858
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:15,359
>> President Ramos.

1859
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:19,839
>> I Let's do T1, T2, T3. Who is

1860
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:21,440
>> Thank you, Council President. Couso.

1861
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:29,749
>> Uh, director, if you don't mind,

1862
01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:31,520
» if you could just go over T1 and just

1863
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,920
explain exactly what it is.

1864
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,440
>> Is T1 Adam Street?

1865
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:39,279
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, this is a a request to

1866
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:40,799
have a six-month extension for the

1867
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:43,759
municipal aid program. So, we have to do

1868
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:45,279
a formal resolution in order to get that

1869
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,040
granted by NJ DOT.

1870
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:47,359
>> Okay.

1871
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:48,159
>> That's all it is.

1872
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:52,319
>> And and how is that related now to uh

1873
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,560
the potential work going on there and

1874
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,760
the uh survey that was put out uh to the

1875
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,400
public on what work we're trying to

1876
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:01,679
accomplish.

1877
01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:03,120
>> The only relation there is it gives us

1878
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,520
more time to get the public feedback and

1879
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,320
to work with the council to finish the process. where I was going, what's

1880
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:14,000
the next step for public feedback as far

1881
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,120
as uh we have the survey that's out. Uh

1882
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,679
we anticipate getting that information.

1883
01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:21,360
Once we get that information, I'm

1884
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,120
assuming that the raw data is going to

1885
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,000
be uh given to the entire council. Uh

1886
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,760
what's the next step after that? Are we

1887
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:28,880
doing community meetings in the

1888
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,280
neighborhood? I believe there's one

1889
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,239
meeting uh scoped through Ingenuity's

1890
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:36,320
contract

1891
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,640
and then from there it'd be proceeding

1892
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,360
with with final finalizing design.

1893
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,280
>> And will that meeting be in the

1894
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,679
neighborhood or is that going to be a

1895
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:47,440
meeting that's going to be held prior to

1896
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,239
a council meeting up here in city hall?

1897
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:51,600
>> Uh I want to try to make it as

1898
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,040
convenient as possible for the residents

1899
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,360
on Adam Street.

1900
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:56,480
I'd like to do it

1901
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:58,719
>> or even or even OG

1902
01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:01,120
>> org multiour is on atoms.

1903
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:01,440
>> Yeah.

1904
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:03,120
>> Oh, that's true. That's true.

1905
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,840
>> So, so we'll be so will be there. Okay.

1906
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,320
That's that's all I had on T1. Uh if I

1907
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,840
could ask questions on T2.

1908
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,239
>> Can I let Well, I have questions on T1.

1909
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:15,280
Is the the mutual aid application. Was

1910
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,320
there a street design attached to it? So

1911
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,320
that Okay. No street design.

1912
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:20,640
>> No.

1913
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:20,960
>> All right.

1914
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,640
>> It's purely the local aid funding

1915
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:23,199
program.

1916
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:26,080
>> Okay. and it's for roadway preservation

1917
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,440
and complete streets improvements and

1918
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:28,159
things like that.

1919
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:28,480
>> Got it.

1920
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:30,080
>> Then we hired Ingenuity to do the

1921
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,440
design. We haven't come there yet.

1922
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:32,719
>> That's why we're doing the extension.

1923
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:33,920
>> Yeah.

1924
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:34,800
>> T2.

1925
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,360
Yeah. Um and we talked about this

1926
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:38,880
real briefly when we when we spoke on

1927
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,679
the phone. Um

1928
01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:43,679
>> just give me a little background as to

1929
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:45,520
what we're doing there, what the what

1930
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,120
this looks like as far as renting those

1931
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,040
spaces.

1932
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,920
Uh so sorry T2 is the the license

1933
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:52,960
agreement. The

1934
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,800
>> office spaces on I'm sorry you don't

1935
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,600
have the agenda in front of you. Yes the office of the uh garage.

1936
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,920
>> Yeah. So uh we have Epic who is the

1937
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,440
contractor for the Midtown garage

1938
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,320
rehabilitation project. Uh they need

1939
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,400
space for their own operations for the

1940
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,679
duration of the project which is

1941
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:13,040
approximately 3 years. And uh we have

1942
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,640
office space at Midtown that is

1943
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,320
available and this would be a license

1944
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,400
agreement that would allow them to use

1945
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,080
some of that space for the duration of

1946
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,239
the project. Uh there are c certain

1947
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:25,040
terms in there that include requiring

1948
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,800
them to do certain improvements to the

1949
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,360
office spaces which is needed. Uh there

1950
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,000
were some pipes that burst there uh

1951
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,440
early in the winter I believe back in

1952
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,920
January. And so they have gone in there

1953
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,600
already and started to clean up the

1954
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,600
area. uh this is tens of thousands of

1955
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,199
dollars of improvements that they're

1956
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:44,640
committing to investing in and uh that's

1957
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:45,920
basically the gist of it.

1958
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,239
>> Yeah. So, and I appreciate that we're

1959
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:49,679
going to start utilizing some of that

1960
01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:51,280
space. um

1961
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:52,400
>> yeah for more activity.

1962
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,280
>> There's a there's a massive concern

1963
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,600
throughout the city when it comes to our

1964
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,440
education system and space

1965
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:03,920
and we are working very hard to figure

1966
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,120
out what the long-term solution is but

1967
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,560
we're not really discussing the

1968
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,040
short-term solution and the middle

1969
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,719
school looks like it's going to be

1970
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:17,520
just bursting at the seams very soon.

1971
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,679
So, I've been thinking about this a lot

1972
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:22,320
about how the city can be helpful to the

1973
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,320
board of education.

1974
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,000
We have right down the block from the

1975
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,840
middle school, we have Calabro School.

1976
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,800
And right now, the administration's

1977
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,360
offices mostly are in that building.

1978
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,920
There's also some uh pre-k classes in

1979
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,800
there as well, but I'd like to really

1980
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,960
explore

1981
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,679
allowing the schools to move

1982
01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:46,880
administration offices to city- owned

1983
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,560
properties. And this is actually one of

1984
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,159
those properties that I think might be

1985
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:53,520
able to work so that into the future in

1986
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,920
a short term, we might be able to

1987
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,400
utilize Calabro School for our middle

1988
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,239
school as well. so that they'll almost

1989
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:02,080
have like a dual campus where it's our

1990
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:03,280
current middle school and then using

1991
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,760
Calabro school. In addition to this

1992
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,199
space, I'd also like to start exploring

1993
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:12,320
the spaces that the library through the

1994
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,960
city of Hoboken board next door to our

1995
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,120
original library. Those are being

1996
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,520
renovated there. Again, those are more

1997
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,640
office type spaces. So, I I'd like to

1998
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:23,840
start having these types of

1999
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,880
conversations. So, I don't have a

2000
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,760
problem using some of the space for the

2001
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,520
project and for staging and whatever

2002
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,760
else they need to do, but the remainder

2003
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,800
of that space, I'd like to explore those

2004
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,360
options with the school system first

2005
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,920
before we move to lease any of that

2006
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,679
other space because I think that could

2007
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:46,480
be a very significant short-term

2008
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:49,120
solution for our schools to allow the

2009
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,440
administrative role, the offices in in

2010
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:53,520
the school system to move out of Calabro

2011
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,679
and then potentially use that space for

2012
01:14:55,679 --> 01:14:59,199
classroom space. So, I I although I

2013
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,440
appreciate what you're doing, I think we

2014
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:03,840
need to start looking at this from just

2015
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,960
a grand scale and the city should try to

2016
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,159
be helpful wherever it can. So, hold on

2017
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:12,400
any other space being rented at least

2018
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:13,520
until we can have some of those

2019
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:14,719
conversations.

2020
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,320
>> All right. I appreciate that. And then

2021
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,880
T3 director, I don't it's not really for

2022
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,760
you. It's really just a comment about

2023
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,360
noise waiverss, right? in I don't think

2024
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,040
one has come before the council that we

2025
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,360
didn't vote on, right? I think may maybe

2026
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,440
one, maybe two.

2027
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:33,199
And every time we're doing these noise

2028
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:36,080
waivers, we're telling whatever

2029
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,920
contractor it may be, whatever works

2030
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,280
being done that they can't do a lot of

2031
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,880
noisy work prior to a certain hour. I

2032
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,440
think it's time we just change it. I

2033
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:49,840
really do. I think we we just allow

2034
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,560
internal work for certain hours and then

2035
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,560
that loud external work for certain

2036
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,199
hours because honestly these come before

2037
01:15:57,199 --> 01:15:58,560
us. I mean there's a few of them on the

2038
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,239
agenda tonight. They just come before us

2039
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:02,000
all the time. I think it's something we

2040
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,000
should explore in committee to see if we

2041
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,000
could just tweak what our law says and

2042
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,760
then we don't have to always vote on the

2043
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,080
waiver for this internal work that is

2044
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,719
not really producing much much noise. So

2045
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:17,120
just a a point that I wanted to make

2046
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,960
there. And that's all I had and we could

2047
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,040
vote on uh each of them individually.

2048
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:22,000
>> Individually or together?

2049
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,440
>> Yeah, individually, please.

2050
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:28,070
>> Two two T2.

2051
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:28,560
» Uh

2052
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:29,760
>> we vote on We vote on

2053
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:30,239
>> We didn't vote.

2054
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:32,400
on any of them.

2055
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:36,560
>> T1. I'm sorry. T1. I apologize.

2056
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,719
>> Mr. Con. I

2057
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:39,120
>> Yes.

2058
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:39,760
>> Fisher.

2059
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:40,159
>> Yes.

2060
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:41,280
>> Mrs. Yes.

2061
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,239
>> Mrs. Le.

2062
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:44,080
>> Yes. President Dano.

2063
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:44,400
>> Hi,

2064
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:45,520
>> Mr. Canero.

2065
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:45,920
>> Hi,

2066
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:46,719
>> Mr. Russo.

2067
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:47,520
>> Hi,

2068
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:48,400
>> President Ramos.

2069
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,390
>> Hi. T2.

2070
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,000
» T2. Mr. Con.

2071
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:54,560
>> Hi,

2072
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:55,440
>> Firestone.

2073
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:55,760
>> Yes.

2074
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:56,400
>> Fisher.

2075
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:56,800
>> Yes.

2076
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:57,679
>> Mrs. Syus.

2077
01:16:57,679 --> 01:16:59,520
>> Yes.

2078
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:00,400
>> President.

2079
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:00,719
>> Hi,

2080
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:01,840
>> Mr. Cano.

2081
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:02,239
>> Hi,

2082
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:03,120
>> Mr. Russo.

2083
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,000
>> Hi,

2084
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,040
>> President Ramos.

2085
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,640
>> Hi, T3.

2086
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,960
>> B3. Mr. Con.

2087
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:09,440
>> Hi,

2088
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:10,320
>> Firestone.

2089
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:10,640
>> Yes.

2090
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:11,360
>> Fisher.

2091
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:11,679
>> Yes.

2092
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:12,800
>> Mrs. Yes,

2093
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:13,760
>> Mrs. Le.

2094
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:14,400
>> Yes.

2095
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:15,280
>> President Zano.

2096
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:15,520
>> Hi,

2097
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:16,400
>> Mr. Cano.

2098
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:16,719
>> Hi,

2099
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:17,520
>> Mr. Russo.

2100
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:17,920
>> Hi,

2101
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:18,800
>> President Ramos.

2102
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,830
>> Hi,

2103
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,000
» I

2104
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,760
won.

2105
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:34,550
>> Council President Zano,

2106
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,880
» this is by the bond, correct me if I'm

2107
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,560
wrong, that you guys voted for last

2108
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:39,760
week. Is that correct?

2109
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,480
>> I believe so.

2110
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,480
This is a $350,000

2111
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:46,960
uh western waste collection truck.

2112
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,320
>> Yes,

2113
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:49,360
>> that is correct.

2114
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,000
>> All right. It's electric or gas.

2115
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,360
>> Diesel.

2116
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,679
>> Okay. That's going to cost him some gas.

2117
01:17:57,679 --> 01:17:59,520
Uh and then I guess we get two as well.

2118
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,480
I'll do it because two by

2119
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:04,159
>> uh Council President, if I can ask for

2120
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:05,199
two as well. It's kind of the same

2121
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:05,360
thing.

2122
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:06,159
>> Yeah. I Yeah.

2123
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,239
>> All right. And this is 300,000 for

2124
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:10,080
another truck. What are the difference

2125
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,320
between the twos? The two. One's a rear

2126
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,840
load refuge body. Is that a like

2127
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,040
>> chassis, one?

2128
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,360
>> One is the chassis, one's the body.

2129
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,440
>> Together they make one truck.

2130
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:22,400
>> It's two parts.

2131
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:23,360
>> Together they're one truck.

2132
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:24,880
>> Do you come up RJ?

2133
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:29,679
>> Okay. So, that that was my question. Why do we have part of a So, if we would

2134
01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:32,400
have passed I1, not have passed I2, we

2135
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:33,760
wouldn't got a second part of the truck.

2136
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:34,960
That's why I was confused.

2137
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:35,920
>> That is true.

2138
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,040
>> So, I I just

2139
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,600
>> They already packaged you. Okay. So, for

2140
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,920
future I'm just and not a knock, but I

2141
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,360
was when I read it, I wanted to make

2142
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,440
sure because I said to myself, how are

2143
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:47,199
we going to if one got voted down, then

2144
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:49,520
we're just getting a truck?

2145
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:50,800
>> Correct me if I'm wrong. Or is this

2146
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,239
because of how it works that you had to

2147
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:52,480
do?

2148
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,719
>> It's the it's the contract mechanism for

2149
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:57,760
the actual procurement, but you can

2150
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:58,800
context here. So, there are two

2151
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,480
different vendors. One is Hudson County

2152
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:01,920
Motors, which purchases the chassis

2153
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,760
itself, and then sanitation equipment is

2154
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,440
for the rear loader. So, there are two

2155
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:06,800
different vendors that specialize in

2156
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,080
different equipment. One is for the

2157
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:12,560
actual vehicle and one is for the the loader that goes onto it. So it's

2158
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:13,920
also under two different cooperative

2159
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,760
purchasing contracts. So we would not be

2160
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,520
able to go to one vendor to purchase an

2161
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:18,640
entire garbage truck.

2162
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,000
>> You could see my question though, right?

2163
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:20,640
Like

2164
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,040
>> cuz if one didn't go, two's not like and

2165
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,120
we get two. We have a chassis or we have

2166
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:25,760
a back.

2167
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,440
>> That's also why we put a very detailed

2168
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:28,480
memo in the packet.

2169
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:29,760
>> Yeah. I I mean that's why I was just

2170
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,400
like but I was just asking. Yeah.

2171
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,640
>> Just asking. Yeah. You together?

2172
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,239
>> Yeah, it's fine. I1 and I2 together.

2173
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:39,120
>> Mr. Con.

2174
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:39,679
>> Hi.

2175
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:40,560
>> Firestone.

2176
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:40,960
>> Yes.

2177
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:41,600
>> Fisher.

2178
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:41,920
>> Yes.

2179
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,040
>> Mrs. Zyus. Yes.

2180
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:43,920
>> Mrs. Le.

2181
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:44,400
>> Yes.

2182
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:45,600
>> President. No.

2183
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:46,960
>> Mr. Cano.

2184
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:47,440
>> Hi.

2185
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:48,400
>> Mr. Russo.

2186
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,719
>> No.

2187
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:51,520
>> President Ramos.

2188
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:52,320
>> Hi.

2189
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:53,360
>> President. No.

2190
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:54,719
>> No. Okay.

2191
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:57,679
>> Uh, CL2. Council Fisher. Right.

2192
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:00,480
>> Do you want me to just do all of them?

2193
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:01,920
>> One at a time.

2194
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,440
>> Okay. You don't want me to just describe

2195
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:04,800
all of them and then we can vote

2196
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:05,760
individually.

2197
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,520
>> All right. So, um we

2198
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:10,880
>> we have we always have a lot of

2199
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,120
conversations about um

2200
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,640
in recently, you know, we uh we had

2201
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,960
caucuses, then we moved them during the

2202
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,440
summer, then we got rid of them. We have

2203
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:27,679
new members that um and old members that

2204
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:29,920
have asked for

2205
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,120
uh ways to have more conversation on

2206
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,440
more things. We have a committee system

2207
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:39,120
where we often will have on really major

2208
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,800
issues um

2209
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,480
you know a major issue will sit in a

2210
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:45,920
committee and only four committee me

2211
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,640
council members will have like the

2212
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,719
detailed under the detailed discussion

2213
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:55,760
of it. So what we tried to do is um what

2214
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,400
governs our city council meetings and

2215
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,800
our agendas and our committees is what

2216
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,600
we call the council rules. So we put in

2217
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,920
what we we originally proposed six

2218
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,920
different resolutions and the reason why

2219
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,880
we did them separately is because some

2220
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,640
of my colleagues may like some of them,

2221
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,199
they may not like some of them um and it

2222
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:16,800
allows people to vote on them

2223
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,120
individually. I think if we put them

2224
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,080
together as a big package um we would

2225
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,440
have been less successful on uh putting

2226
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:29,920
these in. So um CL2 is let me just

2227
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,440
remind myself um so CL2 is literally

2228
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:36,400
just a cleanup um of the council rules.

2229
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,520
It does two main things. One or it does

2230
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,360
three things. One is it changes like the

2231
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,760
Roman numerals from the Roman era to

2232
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,040
regular numbers. Um, two, it actually

2233
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,719
asks to be put on the website as text,

2234
01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:54,719
readable text, which currently it's not.

2235
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:56,639
It's like a PDF that you have to like

2236
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:59,440
get to. And three, it just updates it

2237
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,280
for all the changes that have been made.

2238
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,199
An old version is sitting on the city

2239
01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:04,480
council meeting. So, that's all

2240
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,560
literally that's all it does. There's no

2241
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,040
policy change or anything. Do you want

2242
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,480
to vote or do you want me to go to the

2243
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:11,199
next ones?

2244
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:14,320
>> Uh, let's call a vote. Anyone question?

2245
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,000
>> Yeah, I I actually do have a question.

2246
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,679
Besides the fact that I went to school

2247
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:19,199
such such a long time ago that I only

2248
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:21,040
know Roman numerals. So now I'm

2249
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,199
>> I said the same thing like I I wasted my

2250
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:24,560
purpose of learning Roman numerals.

2251
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,080
>> Come on. You now we're gonna have outlaw

2252
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,600
abacuses. Okay. Great. Thank you. Um

2253
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,520
>> administrative question. Is it premature

2254
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,280
to vote on this? Because if some of the

2255
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,040
other rules pass then we'll have to

2256
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,159
physically update

2257
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:39,520
>> Yeah. thing again. Just

2258
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,040
administratively. I'm not against

2259
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,040
changes. Administratively, what I did

2260
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,920
was just made each one separately. So,

2261
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,679
this is the cleanup one. If no one wants

2262
01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:50,400
to vote on any of the others, this just

2263
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,320
cleans it up and puts it on the website

2264
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:53,600
and then we pass another one, then it

2265
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:54,719
just gets inserted into

2266
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:57,280
>> Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I hope at the

2267
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,679
very least everyone at least passes CL2.

2268
01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:00,960
I mean, I want everyone to pass the

2269
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,320
rest, but

2270
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,040
>> um CL2 vote.

2271
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,000
>> Mr. Con,

2272
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,760
>> I.

2273
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:08,639
>> Miss Fiser,

2274
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:09,120
>> yes.

2275
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:10,080
>> Mrs. Zish,

2276
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,159
>> yes.

2277
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:13,040
>> President.

2278
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:14,159
>> Hi,

2279
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:15,199
>> Mr. Cano.

2280
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:15,679
>> Hi,

2281
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:16,480
>> Mr. Russo.

2282
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:17,280
>> Hi,

2283
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,159
>> President Ramos.

2284
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:18,560
>> Hi.

2285
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,080
>> Firestone. Yes.

2286
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,520
>> Forgot about Firestone.

2287
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,870
>> Firestone. Yes. [laughter]

2288
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,400
» That's why CL3 is a bad idea.

2289
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:27,120
>> Okay.

2290
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,920
>> Does that count for two votes?

2291
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:34,080
>> C CL3. Um CL3. Again, this is actually

2292
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,760
something that we've talked about kind

2293
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,440
of on and off over the years. We just

2294
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:39,920
never really done anything about. Um,

2295
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,040
and what it does is it would every

2296
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,280
meeting it would change the order of

2297
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,080
voting and it would just move it by one.

2298
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,400
So right now, and it'll always stay

2299
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,199
alphabetical, but like right now, um,

2300
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:55,760
Councilman Cohen always verse votes

2301
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,400
first. Councilman Russo always votes

2302
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,199
second to last. Always. And there's both

2303
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:03,360
benefits and challenges being the first

2304
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,440
vote and benefits and challenges of

2305
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,679
being the last vote. more benefits than

2306
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:11,440
challenges being the last vote. And what

2307
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:16,880
rotating does is allows everyone to have

2308
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,800
to to basically vote and sometimes

2309
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,880
benefit from hearing all of your

2310
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,239
colleagues and what they're going to say

2311
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:25,600
before you vote and how they're going to

2312
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,159
vote or being in the hot seat and voting

2313
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:30,400
first before you know how all of

2314
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,639
everyone else is going to vote. And so

2315
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:36,239
this from a transparency it it gives

2316
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,880
more transparency to the public on how

2317
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,440
what council members views are on

2318
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:44,159
issues. Um and that is the purpose of

2319
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:45,120
it.

2320
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,880
>> Any members of council want to address

2321
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:47,440
that?

2322
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:52,639
>> Yeah. Uh yeah, I don't so look I I mean

2323
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:55,120
um I I often say like shouldn't make

2324
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:56,480
decisions on these votes at the last

2325
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,560
minute, but I think I have here based on

2326
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:03,360
just surveying kind of colleagues and staff. Um I wonder if like we're

2327
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,239
getting a little too cute sometimes. So

2328
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:08,560
I had indicated to folks in one end or

2329
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,320
the other. So I'm always an advocate if

2330
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:11,600
I'm going to kind of switch positions to

2331
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,360
explain why think we might be getting a

2332
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,800
little too cute here. So I'm I'm not

2333
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:15,920
going to support this one.

2334
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:17,920
>> Yeah. which is funny because he told me

2335
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,120
he was last week

2336
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:20,719
>> which is why I explained my

2337
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:23,280
>> Okay. Call vote.

2338
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:24,400
>> Mr. Con?

2339
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,320
>> No.

2340
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:27,600
>> Mr. Fly Stone.

2341
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:28,639
>> No.

2342
01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:29,440
>> Fisher.

2343
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:29,840
>> Yes.

2344
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:34,800
>> Oh, wait a minute. I got it.

2345
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,080
>> Miss Mrs.

2346
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:36,960
>> Yes.

2347
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,159
>> Excuse me.

2348
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:40,159
>> Yes.

2349
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:41,120
>> Mrs. Le.

2350
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:42,080
>> No.

2351
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,440
>> Mr. Presidento.

2352
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:43,920
>> Yes.

2353
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,120
>> I I Cano. No,

2354
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,159
>> Mr. Russo.

2355
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:51,920
>> I like won't last. No. [laughter]

2356
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,080
>> All right.

2357
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,280
>> Okay.

2358
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:56,560
>> Life won't last.

2359
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,080
>> Number four.

2360
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,000
>> So, CL4,

2361
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,920
do you have to read them or do does he

2362
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:02,639
have to read them?

2363
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:03,040
>> Do they

2364
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,040
>> Does he have to read them?

2365
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,280
>> Uh, no. You go. You

2366
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,960
>> CL4 is um

2367
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,040
is doing two things. one is

2368
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,719
uh allowing a discussion on first

2369
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:21,280
readings. We often, you know, first

2370
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,280
readings are at the end of the agenda.

2371
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,560
They're law changes and law changes and

2372
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,679
this gets to the um this gets to the

2373
01:26:29,679 --> 01:26:32,719
heart of what I said initially, which is

2374
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:35,040
often we will have a law change. Like

2375
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,560
right now, there's a bunch of ordinances

2376
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,960
on here that are literally law changes

2377
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,840
that only four council members will have

2378
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,320
seen before they are introduced with no

2379
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,560
discussion. And so the discussion

2380
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,120
happens between first and second or at

2381
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,880
the second reading. And and by then

2382
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,800
either the votes are already in for it

2383
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,280
or if we want to make a change that is

2384
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,080
an important change um we would have to

2385
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,560
go back to first reading and delay like

2386
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,840
the process. Um and and also too, we've

2387
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,960
never really let the public kind of hear

2388
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,080
our discussion around first readings. Um

2389
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:13,920
we were having that during the caucus,

2390
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,639
which was great. And this allows, you

2391
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:19,280
know, more of an open conversation be

2392
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,679
before simultaneously with the

2393
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:23,600
introduction of the laws. The second

2394
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,000
thing it does is it just moves the first

2395
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,440
readings up to after second readings um

2396
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:32,239
at the top of the meeting. So, what that

2397
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:33,840
would look like from a meeting

2398
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,719
standpoint is the city council would be

2399
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:39,199
considering all law changes right at the

2400
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:40,800
front. And those are the ones that

2401
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,480
impact our community most significantly.

2402
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,719
Any given resolution is just basically

2403
01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:48,480
how we're spending money and and

2404
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,000
administering

2405
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,159
um the operations of the city. But law

2406
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:53,920
changes are things that impact people.

2407
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,920
So, it just puts it up at the front and

2408
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,880
allows a council conversation um around

2409
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,360
them. members of council.

2410
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,679
>> Uh just a quick question on procedure.

2411
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:07,440
Um would the public speak to the first

2412
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,199
reading ordinances or I don't think so

2413
01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:10,480
or no.

2414
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:12,480
>> So based on the order it looked like we

2415
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:14,719
would speak public would speak on second

2416
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:16,719
reading ordinances. We would speak

2417
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:18,719
>> we would go to you have an opportunity

2418
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:22,159
to speak on each one. We wouldn't I I

2419
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:23,679
mean I think it's I think it's

2420
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:26,159
contemplated not to have like

2421
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:28,080
>> I I think it's contemplated to have it

2422
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,400
be just an agenda item. So if someone

2423
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:31,840
wants to come in and speak on a first

2424
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,679
reading, it's not like we would have

2425
01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:35,120
second read, you know, second readings

2426
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,600
we have a separate hearing for each one.

2427
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,679
These are just like resolutions and that

2428
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:42,080
they're being introduced and we we may

2429
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,320
not talk on any of them because they may

2430
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:45,840
be one, you know, like when we have

2431
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,480
ordinances for a new loading zone, we

2432
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,159
don't really talk about those, you know,

2433
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:52,239
unless it's like a controversial one,

2434
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:54,239
right? So, you anticipate that the

2435
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:57,199
majority of our ordinances are often the

2436
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:59,520
prefuncter ones, but the ones that are

2437
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,600
more meaningful, um, if it's just an

2438
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,120
agenda item, the public should be able

2439
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:04,480
to say, "Hey,

2440
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:06,080
>> the the current rules don't preclude us

2441
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,040
from asking questions like after, uh,

2442
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,080
it's introduced during the meeting." Uh,

2443
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:13,840
or doesn't preclude a member of the

2444
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,440
public from asking a question at public

2445
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,920
portion either. So, we could still ask

2446
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:19,360
questions. Just this just goes in the

2447
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:20,719
front. know I mean

2448
01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:22,719
>> I like the way it is currently but if

2449
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:24,000
members of the council want to change it

2450
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:24,239
that's

2451
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:26,719
>> I just think I think for me and the

2452
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:30,320
reason why we looked at this was these

2453
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,000
are law changes and a lot of times

2454
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,679
because our we don't give committee

2455
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:35,120
reports up here all the time and we

2456
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,280
sometimes we have to call each other to

2457
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:38,560
find out what happened in a meeting

2458
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:39,760
sometimes because there's only four of

2459
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,880
us in there that we really only get one

2460
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,120
time to really be together to to discuss

2461
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,520
it is at second reading and where it's

2462
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:48,800
already there and if there's a problem

2463
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,080
on second reading then we have to push

2464
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:51,760
it back to first reading again and go

2465
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,080
back again. Here, if we have a

2466
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,320
discussion the first time, we now have

2467
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:57,600
some questions that are kind of out in

2468
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:58,639
the public realm or to the

2469
01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:00,480
administration and that we can address

2470
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,000
and then therefore it speeds up the

2471
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,520
process that something could happen or

2472
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:04,880
slows it down. One of the two because it

2473
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,639
may not even it could not pass

2474
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:08,320
potentially. There's a lot of times when

2475
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,400
I you hear a lot of us say yes, I'm

2476
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,400
first reading, right? It means we have

2477
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,080
massive questions on it and we're not

2478
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:15,840
sure. Well, this would give you a chance

2479
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:17,360
to ask those questions first, but it

2480
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:18,880
allows us because the sunshine law is

2481
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,560
almost two bites at the apple. What

2482
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:21,920
essentially the caucus was supposed to

2483
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,000
do, but what we've done is basically

2484
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,920
made a mini caucus for the first

2485
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,480
readings so that for law changes so that

2486
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:29,520
the public knows.

2487
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:30,480
>> Well, in that case,

2488
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:33,120
>> if I could just if I could just jump in,

2489
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,560
one of my concerns is

2490
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,080
>> I mean, and I've said this a thousand

2491
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:39,760
times, right? like when when we're

2492
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,280
having conversations about anything,

2493
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,920
even resolutions,

2494
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,320
>> we're going to then need to require that

2495
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,080
all of our directors are here

2496
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,320
throughout, right? And I don't have a

2497
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,400
problem doing that, but I think we need

2498
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:53,760
to make sure that the administration

2499
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,600
doesn't have a problem doing that

2500
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,760
because if if I have a question on

2501
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,320
whatever it is and it's second reading,

2502
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,800
I think the directors are

2503
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,840
>> at least more prepared for questions

2504
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:09,760
because they know we're asking them. So

2505
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,840
only thing for me would be let's just

2506
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,600
get an okay from the administration that

2507
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,040
they're going to make sure that the

2508
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,000
directors prepared to answer all those

2509
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,600
questions on that first reading because

2510
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,040
I don't I don't know necessarily know

2511
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:21,600
they are.

2512
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,199
>> But they're moving to the front. They're

2513
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:24,480
moving to the front so they wouldn't

2514
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:25,840
stay as late.

2515
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:27,360
>> No, he's asking just in general, right?

2516
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,199
>> Just in general. Right. Like so for

2517
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:30,560
example, if there was a first read if

2518
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,800
there's one first reading for parking

2519
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,639
but there was really nothing else in

2520
01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:36,639
second reading. parking director might

2521
01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:37,520
not be here,

2522
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,960
>> but I I think the director I mean we

2523
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:42,639
have a business administrator who

2524
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:47,280
generally knows the answer to 99%

2525
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,600
of the questions usually. I hope it's

2526
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,120
99.

2527
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,600
Yeah. And I And I know this sounds

2528
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,800
terrible, but this is

2529
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,800
the transparency

2530
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:06,800
is really about public transparency and our ability to be informed

2531
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:11,760
in advance of law changes, right? And if

2532
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,400
it means that we have to have a director

2533
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,000
stay later or maybe our business

2534
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,400
administrator just you know we ask the

2535
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,159
questions or do we work do whatever we

2536
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:22,480
can to be helpful I would still think

2537
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:26,080
that the majority of the people that she

2538
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,320
has the corporation council and her have

2539
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,800
the ability to answer and actually Diana

2540
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,320
who's usually here as well who's our

2541
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:33,920
assistant business administrator that we

2542
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:35,920
have a lot of that support um in the

2543
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,880
room. Yeah, just to uh just to say um

2544
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,880
one I I like the idea of moving the laws

2545
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:42,800
all up because that is the meat and

2546
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,320
potatoes of what we're doing here. So I

2547
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:45,679
appreciate that and I think Paul you

2548
01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:47,120
summarize it well that it's going to

2549
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,800
marrying it's like a mini caucus

2550
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,760
situation. So uh generally I like it and

2551
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,679
again what we've shown if it gets

2552
01:32:53,679 --> 01:32:55,840
unwieldy or it's not as we intended we

2553
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:56,560
can change it.

2554
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,520
>> Yep. I just wanted to um just add on to

2555
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,360
that like in terms of the public

2556
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,480
speaking on the first readings if it's

2557
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:06,480
left towards the end with the questions

2558
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:08,320
wouldn't that basically be the same

2559
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,159
because you know we've had second

2560
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:12,560
readings I'm thinking of the bird glass

2561
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,760
right where we had I don't know 25 30

2562
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,639
people come up to speak and I don't know

2563
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:22,400
that we can sit through if if something

2564
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:27,440
is you know controversial on step one on first reading. So maybe that's just

2565
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:30,080
limited to conversation with you know

2566
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,600
the ability to speak at the end which

2567
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,600
they're able to do anyway right is that

2568
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,159
what you were saying council

2569
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:39,679
>> correct okay it is going to

2570
01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:41,600
>> I don't I don't think there's been any

2571
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,199
time when something's introduced in

2572
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:45,360
first reading where no member of council

2573
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:46,880
by the time the second vote came for but

2574
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,040
they had information I don't think we've

2575
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,520
ever in my experience lacked for

2576
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:52,880
information when a vote happening in

2577
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:53,920
second reading was going out even it was

2578
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:55,520
a contentious issue if I knew nothing

2579
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,280
about the issue beforehand, right? How

2580
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:58,639
many voted in a second reading? We

2581
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:00,960
pretty much we all pretty much know what

2582
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,880
it is. We still have questions about it.

2583
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,719
Yes, that's just normal. We ask them

2584
01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:06,560
here, we keep on going there. But I

2585
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,120
think uh you know, we've been the city

2586
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:10,400
of Hobong's been operating for a long

2587
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,199
time this way. Uh it's not broke. I

2588
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:15,840
don't think there's a a fix that that's

2589
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:17,920
necessary in this in this instance that

2590
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:19,760
we're that needs to be fixed, but that's

2591
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,280
just my opinion. Everyone could think

2592
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:22,159
differently on that.

2593
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:24,320
>> I think I think Yeah, we Oh, sorry. Go

2594
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,719
ahead. No, I was just going to suggest

2595
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:30,239
um just at a high level, I really

2596
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:31,840
appreciate

2597
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,320
the sirens. I really appreciate the work

2598
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,719
that council members Fischer, Immus, and

2599
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:38,960
President Zano put into all of these

2600
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,920
because even though I I voted against

2601
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,400
CL3, I think all of these are important

2602
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,560
efforts to improve the transparency that

2603
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,880
we have. And we do have a new council

2604
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,880
members on this year and I think it's

2605
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:52,560
worthwhile to experiment a little bit

2606
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,040
with how we can do things better and we

2607
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,040
should be open to that. So even though

2608
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,199
it's worked in the past uh having them

2609
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:04,629
at the end I'd be supportive of CL4.

2610
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:05,760
» Mr. Con?

2611
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,520
>> No.

2612
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:08,719
>> Mr. Firestone?

2613
01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:09,760
>> Yes.

2614
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:10,800
>> Miss Fiser?

2615
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:11,600
>> Yes.

2616
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:12,719
>> Mrs. Zyus?

2617
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:14,400
>> Yes.

2618
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:15,440
>> Mrs. Le?

2619
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:17,520
>> Yes.

2620
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:18,480
President Zano.

2621
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:19,520
>> Hi,

2622
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:20,719
>> Mr. Cano.

2623
01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:21,760
>> Hi,

2624
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:22,719
>> Mr. Russo.

2625
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:23,840
>> Hi,

2626
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:25,280
>> President Ramos.

2627
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,199
>> No.

2628
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:28,800
>> CL5.

2629
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,840
>> So, the last one is um and this is we've

2630
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,000
heard it especially from some of the new

2631
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,520
members and Paul being new before the

2632
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,520
most recent new, but he's been saying it

2633
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:40,960
since the beginning.

2634
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:51,520
>> Um is putting in just a line item. This is putting in a line item on if you look at the the order for the

2635
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,320
meetings, there isn't a line item for

2636
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,400
committee reports and it's putting that

2637
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,040
line item in the order for the meeting

2638
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,239
and saying we we already have a

2639
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:07,120
requirement that the committee chairs

2640
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,520
give an update. So, it's not looking for

2641
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:13,920
anyone to write a summary. Um, but if

2642
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,159
they feel or if we actually do follow

2643
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:18,239
our committee rules, committee chairs

2644
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:20,560
then would just give like a one minute,

2645
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,159
hey, this is what we talked about. I'll

2646
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:24,000
give an example. I chair parking and

2647
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,960
transportation and I might say we had a

2648
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,600
whole conversation on the Grove Street

2649
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,760
closure. We had a presentation from the

2650
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:36,080
D on a grove uh Grove Street closure and

2651
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,280
everyone could give their 60 seconds. It

2652
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,120
lets everyone here have a sense of what

2653
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:42,960
we're talking about. I can tell you we

2654
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,880
have a we have this ad hoc revenue

2655
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,199
committee um that we actually haven't

2656
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:48,480
meet met in a little while. We have to

2657
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:51,040
meet again, but we you know we're

2658
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,360
talking about things that are crossover

2659
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,440
to other committees and other council

2660
01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:57,199
members have asked about it and this way

2661
01:36:57,199 --> 01:36:58,560
we can just give the update. We don't

2662
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,159
have to have it a back and forth. We can

2663
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:02,000
have the questions afterwards but the

2664
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,760
public knows what we're talking about

2665
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,760
and the city council. But to facilitate

2666
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:09,199
that, this just inserts a line item into

2667
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:11,360
the order to facilitate that. The

2668
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,920
requirement is actually already in our

2669
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,320
council rules. There just isn't

2670
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,159
something that says committee reports.

2671
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:19,840
Yeah, there isn't a line.

2672
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,080
>> Good. Call vote. I agree with

2673
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:22,880
>> Mr. Con.

2674
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,280
>> That to you. Hi

2675
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,159
>> L Stone.

2676
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:26,639
>> Yes.

2677
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:27,280
>> Fisher.

2678
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:27,679
>> Yes.

2679
01:37:27,679 --> 01:37:28,560
>> Mrs. Zyus.

2680
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:29,760
>> Yes.

2681
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:30,800
>> Mrs. Le.

2682
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:31,280
>> Yes.

2683
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:32,159
>> President.

2684
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:34,159
>> Hi.

2685
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:35,679
>> Russo.

2686
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:36,800
>> Hi.

2687
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:37,600
>> President Ramos.

2688
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:38,639
>> Hi.

2689
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:39,679
>> Thank you.

2690
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:40,960
Thank you.

2691
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,360
>> Appreciate you guys.

2692
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:45,119
>> Ordinance for introduction. An ordinance

2693
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:47,920
amending chapter 74

2694
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,960
>> titled uh tobacco vending machines.

2695
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:51,440
>> Call vote.

2696
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:52,719
>> So, let's talk about this.

2697
01:37:52,719 --> 01:37:54,960
>> No questions. [laughter]

2698
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:55,840
>> Wait a minute.

2699
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,199
>> I do have a lot of questions on this.

2700
01:37:57,199 --> 01:37:57,520
>> Immediate.

2701
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:58,880
>> We got one day.

2702
01:37:58,880 --> 01:37:59,440
>> There there is

2703
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:00,480
>> It's immediate.

2704
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:01,920
>> By the way, there there is a I mean

2705
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,119
there's a lot of stuff in here that I

2706
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:04,800
was reading that I have a lot of

2707
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,719
questions on. The

2708
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:08,560
>> phone you can ask next week.

2709
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,800
>> No. No. Time out. Time out. Council

2710
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:12,400
President, with all due respect, I love

2711
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,560
you to death. But but the reality is it

2712
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,960
passed. It's immediate. And if council

2713
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,400
members have questions, they most

2714
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:19,840
certainly could could ask them now.

2715
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:20,719
>> They can. I understand.

2716
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:22,239
>> You have to take [laughter] the council

2717
01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:24,719
rule says you have to reading.

2718
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:26,719
>> No. No. Not the resolution.

2719
01:38:26,719 --> 01:38:27,440
>> Not for uh

2720
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:27,920
>> All right.

2721
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,199
>> Mr. Firestone.

2722
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:30,400
>> No.

2723
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:31,679
>> Yes. I'm trying to get away with it.

2724
01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:32,239
>> Fisher.

2725
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:33,840
>> You did, but that's all right.

2726
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:34,239
>> Yes.

2727
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:35,199
>> Mrs. Le.

2728
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:35,679
>> Yes.

2729
01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:36,639
>> President.

2730
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:38,639
>> No. On first reading. There you go.

2731
01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:39,920
>> Mr. Cano

2732
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:40,480
>> I

2733
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:41,360
>> suso

2734
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:42,880
>> no

2735
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,000
>> president Ramos

2736
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,400
>> I had I gave it to you Paul just the

2737
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:47,199
first reading

2738
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:48,239
>> introduction amending

2739
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:49,760
>> just so you could talk about it next

2740
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:51,280
time [laughter]

2741
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,320
>> ordinance amending chapter 116 entitled

2742
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,840
heating heating of buildings

2743
01:38:57,840 --> 01:38:59,040
>> vote

2744
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,600
>> Mr. Constone

2745
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:02,000
>> yes

2746
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:02,639
>> Fisher

2747
01:39:02,639 --> 01:39:03,040
>> yes

2748
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:03,920
>> Mrs. Zyus

2749
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:04,320
>> yes

2750
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:05,199
>> Mrs. ation.

2751
01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:05,760
>> Yes.

2752
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:06,880
>> President.

2753
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:08,480
>> No. On first reading,

2754
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:10,800
>> Mr.

2755
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:12,960
>> Hi.

2756
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:14,239
>> I need if there's a

2757
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:16,159
>> I

2758
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:17,119
>> Mr. Russo.

2759
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:18,080
>> Hi.

2760
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:18,800
>> President Ramos.

2761
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,568
>> Hi.

2762
01:39:20,568 --> 01:39:24,149
[snorts]

2763
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:27,440
» Orange introduction amending chapter 115

2764
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:30,393
health and sanitation codes.

2765
01:39:30,393 --> 01:39:31,199
[snorts]

2766
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:31,760
>> Call vote.

2767
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:32,639
>> Mr. Con.

2768
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:33,440
>> Hi.

2769
01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:34,719
>> Firestone. Yes,

2770
01:39:34,719 --> 01:39:35,440
>> Fisher.

2771
01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:36,080
>> Yes,

2772
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:36,960
>> Mr. Zyus.

2773
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:37,360
>> Yes,

2774
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:38,320
>> Mr. SL.

2775
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:38,800
>> Yes,

2776
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:39,679
>> President Zano.

2777
01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:41,760
>> Yes, on first reading.

2778
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,119
as well.

2779
01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:43,920
>> Mr. Russo,

2780
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:44,719
>> yes.

2781
01:39:44,719 --> 01:39:45,679
>> President Ramos,

2782
01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:50,320
>> Idance amending chapter 147 title mobile

2783
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,400
rent rental food vendors.

2784
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:53,679
>> Retail.

2785
01:39:53,679 --> 01:39:54,560
>> Mr. Con,

2786
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:55,920
>> I stone.

2787
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:56,639
>> Yes.

2788
01:39:56,639 --> 01:39:57,440
>> Fisher.

2789
01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:57,920
>> Yes.

2790
01:39:57,920 --> 01:39:59,119
>> Mrs. Yes.

2791
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:00,080
>> Mrs. Le.

2792
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:00,639
>> Yes.

2793
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:02,080
>> M presidento.

2794
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,000
>> Yes. On first reading. Hi,

2795
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,280
>> Mr. Russo.

2796
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,520
>> No

2797
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,400
president questions.

2798
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,159
>> Ordinance for introduction amending

2799
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:14,800
chapter 128 entitle permits for to

2800
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:19,600
modify license fees.

2801
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:21,440
>> Questions call vote.

2802
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:22,320
>> Mr. Con.

2803
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:23,840
>> I firestone.

2804
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:24,239
>> Yes.

2805
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:24,960
>> Fisher.

2806
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:25,520
>> Yes.

2807
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:26,400
>> Mrs. Zyus.

2808
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:26,719
>> Yes.

2809
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:27,760
>> Mrs. Le.

2810
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:28,639
>> Yes.

2811
01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:29,600
>> President.

2812
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,119
>> No.

2813
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:32,320
>> Mr. Cano.

2814
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:33,679
>> Hi. Mr. Russo,

2815
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:34,719
>> no.

2816
01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:35,679
>> President Ramos,

2817
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:37,600
>> I

2818
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,440
>> resolution for introduction amending

2819
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:41,840
chapter 192 parking for persons with

2820
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,360
disabilities

2821
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:46,080
and we remove ADA reserve space on

2822
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:47,600
Willow Avenue.

2823
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:48,159
>> Call vote.

2824
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:48,880
>> Mr. Con.

2825
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:49,679
>> Hi.

2826
01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:50,480
>> Firestone.

2827
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:50,880
>> Yes.

2828
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:51,520
>> Fisher.

2829
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:52,000
>> Yes.

2830
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:52,960
>> Mr. Zyus.

2831
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:53,360
>> Yes.

2832
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:54,320
>> Mrs. Leon.

2833
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:54,880
>> Yes.

2834
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:55,840
>> President Zano.

2835
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:56,239
>> Hi.

2836
01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:57,199
>> Mr. Cano.

2837
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:57,679
>> Hi.

2838
01:40:57,679 --> 01:40:58,560
>> Mr. Russo.

2839
01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:59,360
>> Hi.

2840
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:00,320
>> President Ramos.

2841
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,239
>> Hi.

2842
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:04,800
Uh introduction ordinance amending

2843
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:08,159
chapter 192-6.1

2844
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:10,239
entitled restricting parking for police

2845
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:13,040
vehicles, fire vehicles and official

2846
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,199
business to remove restricted parking

2847
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:17,440
spaces for official business for the

2848
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:20,239
Hudson County at the Hoboka multi

2849
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:22,000
multi-ervice center.

2850
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,119
>> Call vote.

2851
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:23,840
>> Mr. Con.

2852
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:24,480
>> Hi.

2853
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:25,280
>> Firestone.

2854
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:25,760
>> Yes.

2855
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:26,400
>> Fisher.

2856
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:26,719
>> Yes.

2857
01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:27,679
>> Mr. Zyus.

2858
01:41:27,679 --> 01:41:28,239
>> Yes.

2859
01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:29,199
>> Mrs. Lac.

2860
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:29,600
>> Yes.

2861
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:30,400
>> President.

2862
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:30,800
>> Hi.

2863
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:32,000
>> Mr. O

2864
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:32,320
>> I

2865
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:33,119
>> Mr. Russo.

2866
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:34,320
>> Hi.

2867
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:35,119
>> President Ramos.

2868
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:36,159
>> Hi.

2869
01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:38,320
>> Board for introduction amending chapter

2870
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,280
196 zoning to create new zoning

2871
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,880
districts willow terrace residential

2872
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:48,000
preserv preservation and amend the city

2873
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,400
zoning map and

2874
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,280
cooperative of the new New Jersey the

2875
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:55,920
new zoning district.

2876
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:56,800
>> Mr. Con.

2877
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:57,679
>> Hi.

2878
01:41:57,679 --> 01:41:58,480
>> Wstone.

2879
01:41:58,480 --> 01:41:58,960
>> Yes.

2880
01:41:58,960 --> 01:41:59,600
>> Fisher.

2881
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:00,080
>> Yes.

2882
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,159
>> Mrs. Zyus. Yes.

2883
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:02,639
>> Yes.

2884
01:42:02,639 --> 01:42:03,520
>> President Zano.

2885
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:04,000
>> Hi,

2886
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,040
>> Mr. Cterero.

2887
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:05,440
>> Hi,

2888
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:06,320
>> Mr. Russo.

2889
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:07,040
>> Hi,

2890
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:07,920
>> President Ramos.

2891
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,400
>> I CD Community Development Resolution

2892
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:12,239
CD4.

2893
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:14,000
>> Send it to

2894
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:14,880
>> We already voted.

2895
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,440
>> We did. We should have the ordinance.

2896
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:19,440
>> All right. Felicia, public portion.

2897
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:21,440
Felicia Jones.

2898
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:27,510
>> What?

2899
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,600
» Hi, Felicia. Welcome. You get five

2900
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:30,880
minutes from Felicia. Excellent. All

2901
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,000
right. Um, hello council members and

2902
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,239
Hoboken residents. My name is Felicia

2903
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:37,920
and I live right up the hill in North

2904
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,320
Bergen. So, as you all know and I know

2905
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,000
the great pains of trying to get down

2906
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,560
the hill back to Hoboken. Um, as a

2907
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,159
skater, I know these streets inside and

2908
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:47,840
out. As a foodie, I know our local

2909
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,239
shops. And as a dog mom, my boy Ekko

2910
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:52,239
nearly takes my arm off trying to get to

2911
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:54,639
the parks that are in this area. As a

2912
01:42:54,639 --> 01:42:56,239
manager though, I make it my absolute

2913
01:42:56,239 --> 01:42:58,080
business to know my neighbors and my

2914
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,560
customers. For the past two years, I've

2915
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:01,920
served as a manager at the green room

2916
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:03,760
right here in Hoboken. Actually, one

2917
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,560
block away right there. Um, I work I

2918
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,480
work handinand with our owners. Each

2919
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:10,960
team member and many of the great folks

2920
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,719
who flood the streets coming from the

2921
01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:14,960
path. I get to say hi by name and know

2922
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,520
them personally. There's something truly

2923
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:18,960
special about being able to lean out

2924
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:20,560
your window and wave to a neighbor and

2925
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:22,159
know them, know their face, know what

2926
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:24,159
they like, know when they enjoy. Thanks

2927
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:26,159
to the green room and the unique charm

2928
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:27,520
of the city, I've built deep

2929
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,600
friendships, personal connections, and a

2930
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,119
real sense of community. That's what

2931
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:33,440
Hoboken craves. That's what a Hoboken

2932
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:36,800
is. I know that the business that my

2933
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,040
industry is sometimes carries a stigma

2934
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:40,719
because operators who don't run things

2935
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:43,119
clean are right. But that is not who we

2936
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:45,920
are. Our business is transparent, highly

2937
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,719
responsible, and driven above all for

2938
01:43:48,719 --> 01:43:51,199
customer safety and satisfaction. Every

2939
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:52,880
day, I have the privilege of educating

2940
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:54,320
our community on the life-changing

2941
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,320
benefits of cannabis. We support our

2942
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,000
neighbors dealing with daily anxiety and

2943
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:00,000
sleep trouble in a fast-paced world that

2944
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,760
frankly causes everybody high blood

2945
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:03,840
pressure. More importantly, we help

2946
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:05,199
people living with severe conditions

2947
01:44:05,199 --> 01:44:07,520
like cancer, Parkinson's, lupus,

2948
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,000
postsurgery recoveries, individuals of

2949
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,000
any age enduring pain and discomfort

2950
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,719
that often can feel unbearable. Our our

2951
01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:16,239
topical relief cream, for example,

2952
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:17,679
offers comfort that many in our

2953
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:19,840
community cannot find anywhere else. In

2954
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,040
fact, I know for a fact that people who

2955
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:24,480
work in this very building use it

2956
01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:26,000
because I've met you at our counters.

2957
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:27,760
I've seen your faces. I try to get to

2958
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,080
know everybody's names. Even our furry

2959
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,679
friends that can't handle car rides or

2960
01:44:31,679 --> 01:44:33,679
visits without panicking and shaking.

2961
01:44:33,679 --> 01:44:36,320
They have a product designed for them to

2962
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:38,560
help them made by us. Whenever somebody

2963
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:39,920
walks through my doors, my goal is

2964
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,239
simple, to be fully educated on every

2965
01:44:42,239 --> 01:44:44,400
product so our neighbors feel confident,

2966
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,080
safe, and supported and getting the

2967
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:47,840
relief that they need. We are one

2968
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,280
community, and we all need help

2969
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,520
sometimes. The green room is an

2970
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,520
essential part of Hoboken's fabric. That

2971
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,360
is why I'm standing before you tonight

2972
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,199
to share my story and to ask for your

2973
01:44:57,199 --> 01:44:58,880
help. A letter of support from this

2974
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,360
council is critical. It will allow us to

2975
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:03,199
obtain our official license so we can

2976
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:04,560
continue running our business the way

2977
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,480
that it is, serving our community and

2978
01:45:06,480 --> 01:45:08,320
protecting my employment as a cannabis

2979
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,800
retail management. If the green room

2980
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,480
closes, a vital part of this community

2981
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:14,719
and our team's livelihoods goes with it.

2982
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:16,480
Please help us keep our doors open.

2983
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:17,920
Please put your support towards helping

2984
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,159
the residents of Hoboken find the relief

2985
01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:22,320
that they crave. I thank you for your

2986
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,800
time. I hope to see you guys all play

2987
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:26,080
pool at the green room.

2988
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:26,560
>> Thank you.

2989
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:26,880
>> Yes.

2990
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:27,840
>> Thank you,

2991
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:41,750
>> Elizabeth Adams.

2992
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,560
Good evening. Tonight I would like to

2993
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:47,679
address a topic that even though by now

2994
01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:51,280
I'm sure we have all heard ad nauseium

2995
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,480
still needs to be discussed and that is

2996
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:58,239
the topic of breast cancer. Now before

2997
01:45:58,239 --> 01:46:00,880
you all roll your eyes I would like to

2998
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:03,679
make you aware of a few things as well

2999
01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:05,679
as explain my connection with the

3000
01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:08,800
subject and why I have had a particular

3001
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:10,880
interest in it for quite a number of

3002
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,239
years now. Firstly, I would like to

3003
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:16,800
state that this issue does not only

3004
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:20,239
concern women of a certain age. In

3005
01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:23,520
reality, in recent years, there has been

3006
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,400
an actual rise in the number of young

3007
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:29,440
women acquiring this disease. It has

3008
01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:32,159
become the leading cause of cancer death

3009
01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:35,920
in women ages 20 to 49.

3010
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:37,760
When I was a child, the rate of

3011
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,520
acquisition of this illness was 1 in 10.

3012
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:46,000
Now it is 1 in 8. And gentlemen, if you

3013
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:47,760
believe that you are immune from this

3014
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:51,360
problem, while it is rare, it is also

3015
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,080
not an impossibility purely by virtue of

3016
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:57,679
your gender. So the next time that you

3017
01:46:57,679 --> 01:47:00,639
are in the shower or bath, start feeling

3018
01:47:00,639 --> 01:47:04,400
around. Life you save may very well be

3019
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:06,159
your own.

3020
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:08,320
And now we come to my particular

3021
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:11,119
connection with this issue. As I

3022
01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:13,840
previously discussed, my mother was the

3023
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,719
eldest of three sisters. The middle one

3024
01:47:16,719 --> 01:47:20,080
was my godmother, my aunt Irene.

3025
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:24,080
In 1986, she acquired breast cancer and

3026
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,880
underwent a double mastctomy.

3027
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:30,159
She at that time had no follow-up

3028
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:32,960
chemotherapy, however, as the physician

3029
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:35,520
in charge at the time believed that he

3030
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,800
had gotten it all, dismissing the

3031
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,760
possible presence of microscopic cancer

3032
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:46,080
cells. My aunt very unfortunately chose

3033
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:48,560
to trust his advice.

3034
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:52,400
Fast forward to September of 1992.

3035
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:55,280
One day, as she bent over to tie her

3036
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:58,480
sneakers, she both heard and felt a

3037
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:01,520
cracking sound and sensation.

3038
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:03,440
This is how she discovered the

3039
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:06,239
recurrence of the cancer. Six years

3040
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:09,760
later, the microscopic cancer cells that

3041
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:11,280
were not addressed by follow-up

3042
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:14,480
chemotherapy multiplied

3043
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:18,159
and consumed the marrow of the bones of

3044
01:48:18,159 --> 01:48:21,679
her rib cage. It was discovered that the

3045
01:48:21,679 --> 01:48:24,480
cancer also spread to her reproductive

3046
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:28,480
organs and a few weeks later in October

3047
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:31,840
she underwent a complete hysterctomy.

3048
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:35,199
The expert physicians then attempted to

3049
01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:37,679
treat her with chemotherapy but by this

3050
01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:40,080
time it amounted to being the equivalent

3051
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:43,840
of being a day late and a dollar short.

3052
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,880
Her condition further deteriorated

3053
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:49,280
in March of 1993.

3054
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,400
She underwent radiation treatments. This

3055
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,719
only served to further deteriorate her

3056
01:48:54,719 --> 01:48:59,600
condition. And four months later,

3057
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,960
on July 14th of 1993,

3058
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,600
my mother and I witnessed her die, a

3059
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,800
miserable and agonizing death.

3060
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:12,239
I cannot emphasize enough my complete

3061
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:15,679
and total anger and disgust not only at

3062
01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:18,639
the medical establishment but also her

3063
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:22,400
son, my cousin, who very unfortunately

3064
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,480
had medical power of attorney concerning

3065
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:27,679
her so-called care and in whom she very

3066
01:49:27,679 --> 01:49:30,880
sadly placed her trust.

3067
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,880
There are several lessons to be learned

3068
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,080
regarding my aunt's story. Chief among

3069
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:38,880
them being the realization that at the

3070
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,719
end of the day, it is you and you alone

3071
01:49:42,719 --> 01:49:45,520
who must ultimately take responsibility

3072
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,639
for your health, your body, and your

3073
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:51,840
life. Failure to be proactive in these

3074
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:55,360
regards and also firstly and foremost to

3075
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:59,600
trust your instincts very sadly resulted

3076
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:02,639
in what I believe was my aunt's very

3077
01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:04,719
untimely death.

3078
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:07,440
It is important to note that up until my

3079
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:10,719
aunt became ill, there had never been

3080
01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:15,440
any cancer in our family until then.

3081
01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:17,520
I have more to say on this subject.

3082
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:19,520
However, it will have to wait for

3083
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,600
another time.

3084
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,360
Lastly,

3085
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,679
I would like to observe a moment of

3086
01:50:25,679 --> 01:50:32,159
silence for the over 1,200 people,

3087
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:34,239
including people from our own state of

3088
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:37,679
New Jersey who on this day three years

3089
01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:41,600
ago were brutally murdered in Israel by

3090
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:52,950
the butchers of Hamas.

3091
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:53,520
Amen.

3092
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,159
>> May their memories be for a blessing

3093
01:50:56,159 --> 01:51:01,199
always. And just as with 911,

3094
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:04,480
may we never ever forget.

3095
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:05,520
>> Thank you for your time.

3096
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,679
>> Thank you, Liz.

3097
01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:10,000
Really appreciate you. Thank you.

3098
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:15,990
>> Pascalina, here we go.

3099
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:17,280
I'm happy to be here.

3100
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:17,840
>> Yep. You're ready.

3101
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:21,760
>> Happy to be here. Not mad. Happy to tell

3102
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:24,480
what happened in a book. I am happy. I

3103
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:27,280
sit I stay in a bunch of sheep. Scared

3104
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:30,800
of the wolf. First of all

3105
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,360
scared the wolf. The sheep. I'm not a

3106
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:35,119
sheep. I'm [snorts] not scared.

3107
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:35,920
>> Sheep. Okay.

3108
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:38,950
>> Sheep.

3109
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:40,400
» You understand what sheep?

3110
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:41,840
>> Sheep. Yes. Yes. I thought you said

3111
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:42,159
something.

3112
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:44,560
>> Good. I'm no sheep. I not scared of the

3113
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,320
wolf.

3114
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:49,520
He tried to steal me 27,000. I got all

3115
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:53,760
the sweet sh Mariano lo he said to me if

3116
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:56,639
you not pay I put lean in your house.

3117
01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:58,880
What's the reason? I said because when

3118
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:00,880
you buy you pay very cheap not worth the

3119
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:04,000
money. So I the go down you give me the

3120
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:08,880
money. I don't care. He put the s witch

3121
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:13,360
of joy in charge. She said me so many

3122
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:15,280
layer you got to be arrested. I said no

3123
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,040
it's an account. I said you should be

3124
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:19,679
arrested 30 years ago. You still money

3125
01:52:19,679 --> 01:52:21,760
too many people.

3126
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,719
Mariana still money too many people. The

3127
01:52:24,719 --> 01:52:29,360
lawyer Loren Lafar 51 and he told me

3128
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:33,760
Loren Lafar lawyer. He told me Martian

3129
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:35,920
he give ordinarian

3130
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:38,080
law he give ordin

3131
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:40,800
people he give ordin

3132
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:44,080
people he arrest everybody for money he

3133
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:48,080
said the mafia is the bosia

3134
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:51,520
no law like a mafia have no you

3135
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:58,470
understand no valia

3136
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:02,159
so he cannot win three timeing gold she

3137
01:53:02,159 --> 01:53:05,280
bring and he decide I not give a

3138
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:06,800
handicap

3139
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:08,880
I don't mind you know give him if I have

3140
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:11,040
already 10 years ago or five years ago

3141
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:12,480
or three years ago I not be [snorts]

3142
01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:15,360
here talk you understand I find a lot of

3143
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:16,960
thing

3144
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:21,990
even this s

3145
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:25,599
another gang organizer crime

3146
01:53:25,599 --> 01:53:29,760
they s who steal $250

3147
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:33,030
every

3148
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:40,390
200,000 years all the gang organiz

3149
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:45,679
and many many many more people involved

3150
01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:50,000
so the shall

3151
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,159
who collaborate

3152
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:56,159
with the mafia guilty you understand if

3153
01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:58,159
somebody have not valor the said we

3154
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:02,159
cannot listen the what You say every

3155
01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:06,239
lady with 10 years he put a sign all up.

3156
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:09,119
Three days ago I think it was Saturday I

3157
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:13,679
passed the go to the bank and he set 52

3158
01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:18,159
to Newark no bar. I think

3159
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:22,639
I pass well the people of the for the

3160
01:54:22,639 --> 01:54:24,880
meeting people they call me and say you

3161
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,440
told everybody that I got to go. I say

3162
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:33,109
yeah remember first you are Kard

3163
01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:37,199
money then you put Roberto many more he

3164
01:54:37,199 --> 01:54:40,960
want me to respect as a lawyer

3165
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:45,360
is no law above the lawyer I told he

3166
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:49,679
just want to be scared the ship no I not

3167
01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:55,679
leave 100 years like a ship one day like

3168
01:54:55,679 --> 01:55:00,629
lying

3169
01:55:00,639 --> 01:55:03,679
How come the people one know I don't

3170
01:55:03,679 --> 01:55:06,400
know you think I believe one said you

3171
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:09,040
got to bring another

3172
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:12,480
said the people of the meeting call me

3173
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:15,599
which one of you call him

3174
01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:17,360
he said the people at the meeting call

3175
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:21,199
me they said you talk everybody know B I

3176
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:23,040
don't want just the people of B I want

3177
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:26,159
people all in New Jersey I told them I

3178
01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:28,159
When I say I know you, I know your

3179
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:30,159
sister. I know your brother-in-law

3180
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:34,000
Andrew. I know all everything. What the

3181
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,880
hell you think?

3182
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:41,119
What revenge? What I give a he put a

3183
01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:44,239
sign all over and nobody say no. We

3184
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:48,880
cannot listen to you because you know

3185
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:53,350
we cannot collaborate with you.

3186
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:59,750
scared.

3187
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,800
You understand?

3188
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:08,470
That's wrong.

3189
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,520
Change all this when she bring so many

3190
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:15,199
time. You got to be arrest.

3191
01:56:15,199 --> 01:56:16,800
I went to police so many times.

3192
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:18,960
>> Your time's running out, Pascalina.

3193
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:21,040
Thank you very much. You're not a sheep.

3194
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:21,760
That's for sure.

3195
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:24,400
>> I'm no sheep. You're not

3196
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:26,400
sheep.

3197
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:29,760
We could take a vote on that. N nothing.

3198
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:36,629
>> Thank you.

3199
01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:37,440
» Somebody going to come.

3200
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:39,520
>> Thank you, Pascalina. It's Pat.

3201
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:55,510
>> Thank you.

3202
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:58,480
Pastor. It's Pat's turn.

3203
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:00,880
>> This I'm trying to

3204
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:02,560
>> Could y'all just do me one favor,

3205
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,239
please? For real.

3206
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:06,080
>> I I got this from a time to kill, but

3207
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:08,239
it's so true. Close your eyes and

3208
01:57:08,239 --> 01:57:09,840
imagine that's one of y'all mothers

3209
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,159
standing at this microphone. Seriously,

3210
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:15,520
just close your eyes and relax and think

3211
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:18,000
she's telling you she's crying for help.

3212
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,480
When y'all run for office, your soul

3213
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:23,760
duty is to take action of the people.

3214
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,480
Y'all, come on. Y'all is breaking my

3215
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:29,920
heart, man. Listen, listen. She's not

3216
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,400
lying. I'm speaking through actions. And

3217
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:34,639
you know exactly who I'm talking about.

3218
01:57:34,639 --> 01:57:37,360
Reuben, I couldn't walk. I was on chemo.

3219
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:39,119
And just cuz they didn't like pat

3220
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:41,280
waiters, council people will come to me

3221
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:43,119
on the street and say, "Oh, you going to

3222
01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:45,440
never get your handicap spot." And like

3223
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:47,840
me and Manny told y'all earlier, I'm not

3224
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,760
the right color and I don't have the

3225
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,159
right money. Cuz if I did, I would have

3226
01:57:52,159 --> 01:57:54,560
sued the mess out of this city. I would

3227
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:56,320
have did just like Perry Barrel Ferryy

3228
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:58,480
and them back in the days. I would have

3229
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,800
sued this city. And y'all don't care

3230
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:03,119
because that's taxpayer money. Y'all

3231
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:05,360
feel like y'all qualified immune. I'm

3232
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:07,119
from qualified immune. I'm qualified

3233
01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:09,119
from that. I'm exempt from with

3234
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:11,360
qualified immunity. Y'all got to stop.

3235
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:13,920
I'm serious. It's scary. And what's

3236
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:15,679
happening is the wrong person is getting

3237
01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:18,400
in the chair to serve as a mayor. And

3238
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,040
that's why we all suffering.

3239
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,119
Two years going to come so fast. And I'm

3240
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:25,599
telling you people, stop stopping me in

3241
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:26,960
the street if they not going to do

3242
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:30,000
what's right. I do what's right by

3243
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,639
everybody. And I feel I swear I tried to

3244
01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:34,639
refrain from not saying nothing. But to

3245
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:36,719
see that lady and I know they tried it

3246
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:39,280
on me and that bring me back to what I'm

3247
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:41,840
talking about with this prosecutor

3248
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:43,679
Belise that y'all got on the agenda

3249
01:58:43,679 --> 01:58:46,080
tonight. Let me make sure I get it right

3250
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:48,639
cuz I'm going to the state. I'mma go beg

3251
01:58:48,639 --> 01:58:51,920
Leticia James to come to Hoboken

3252
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:53,840
CC1.

3253
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:56,000
It says amending the professional

3254
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,119
service contracts with I can't even

3255
01:58:59,119 --> 01:59:01,599
pronounce his name. Baise. Anyway, y'all

3256
01:59:01,599 --> 01:59:03,199
bringing him back as the municipal

3257
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:06,800
prosecutor, wasn't he here? He was here,

3258
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,407
right, Mike? And he left.

3259
01:59:09,407 --> 01:59:11,280
[clears throat] This guy was here as the

3260
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:13,760
prosecutor. And if I'm wrong, I'm I'mma

3261
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,040
wait for y'all in the morning to get

3262
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:18,000
back in touch with me because see, I

3263
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,320
like I discussed with the director, too.

3264
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:23,760
You got to take law real serious, okay?

3265
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:25,119
Because that's the first line of

3266
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:28,480
defense. I had a very bad experience, me

3267
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:30,719
and my son. Seemma like apparently

3268
01:59:30,719 --> 01:59:32,800
nobody don't want to address it. And we

3269
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:36,080
had a prosecutor on his case that

3270
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,400
conducted prosecutionatory

3271
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:41,199
misconduct. Did I say it right, Lawyer

3272
01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:44,000
Cohen? Because I'm familiar with the law

3273
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:46,239
and I respect you and your language with

3274
01:59:46,239 --> 01:59:48,239
the law and I want to be respected and I

3275
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:50,880
know I said it right. So I came just as

3276
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:53,040
a lame citizen with no money to afford

3277
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:56,560
an attorney and I was prosay and right

3278
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:58,560
here in this city where y'all voted for

3279
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,440
these prosecutors prosecutionatory

3280
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:03,599
misconduct. I said it. I wrote it in

3281
02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:05,679
writing. The cleanest thing y'all got in

3282
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:07,840
this city is Benjamin Joy. Can I tell

3283
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:09,520
you why, please? And I got to share

3284
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:12,080
this. Under Mayor Zimmer, I came to

3285
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:13,599
court for a parking ticket with my

3286
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:15,679
elderly mother than dying from cancer.

3287
02:00:15,679 --> 02:00:17,920
We sat right there. When they said the

3288
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:19,599
next one, Patricia Waiters, he wouldn't

3289
02:00:19,599 --> 02:00:21,520
even let me walk up in front of him. He

3290
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:23,360
said, "I can't see her. I got to excuse

3291
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:25,360
myself cuz she's a very good friend of

3292
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:27,840
mine. She voted for me at the council

3293
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:29,679
meeting, but I didn't vote for him. I

3294
02:00:29,679 --> 02:00:32,080
spoke about him and he wouldn't even see

3295
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,800
my case and he changed the venue." Now,

3296
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:37,440
tell me that's not integrity. Integrity

3297
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:39,760
is doing the right thing when nobody

3298
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:42,239
looking. Integrity is doing the right

3299
02:00:42,239 --> 02:00:44,719
thing behind closed doors. Integrity is

3300
02:00:44,719 --> 02:00:46,480
doing the right thing when you got to go

3301
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,080
against your friend that put you on

3302
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:50,080
their ticket and spent a lot of money

3303
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:53,119
and say you they god daughter. Okay.

3304
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:55,360
Integrity is saying, "Hey, I can't do

3305
02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:57,440
this cuz I don't know where I'm going to

3306
02:00:57,440 --> 02:01:00,560
be when my term is up." That's what

3307
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:02,719
integrity is. And it bothers me cuz

3308
02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:04,480
y'all could say what y'all want out your

3309
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:06,560
mouth. I spoke to all of y'all at

3310
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:09,040
lecture time. I look at your actions. I

3311
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:10,960
solely look at your actions and I give

3312
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:14,480
you respect. this prosecutor. Mr.

3313
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:16,080
President, I'm leaving this in your lap

3314
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:17,679
because you the president of the count.

3315
02:01:17,679 --> 02:01:20,080
Please look into this. Please, I'm

3316
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:21,599
wrapping it up with my last three

3317
02:01:21,599 --> 02:01:22,400
minutes.

3318
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:22,960
>> 30 seconds.

3319
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:25,040
>> The reason I get upset every time y'all

3320
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:27,360
mention HHA, they really still feel in

3321
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:29,520
their heart they forgotten about. We

3322
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:31,920
sick and tired of being sick and tired.

3323
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:33,679
And don't say y'all don't turn on y'all

3324
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:35,920
phones every day. And the blacks seem

3325
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:38,000
like we under attack. This been

3326
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:40,000
happening to us for years. So the public

3327
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:41,520
looking at it like, "Oh, they're used to

3328
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:44,560
it." No, we not. Tonight, one of y'all

3329
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:46,480
said that. I think it was my dear friend

3330
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:49,360
Firestone. Let us get a chance. We knew

3331
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:51,520
here. We don't know what's going on. I'm

3332
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,360
giving y'all the opportunity to change.

3333
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:55,599
Please go down to the housing authority

3334
02:01:55,599 --> 02:01:59,040
now that you won. Okay? Please, cuz

3335
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:01,119
those people need help. All of this

3336
02:02:01,119 --> 02:02:04,480
money I'm seeing for grants and CDB, GO

3337
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,080
CLEAN THEIR HOUSES IN THE INSIDE. The

3338
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:08,400
infrastructure is horrible.

3339
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:11,599
>> Mold everywhere. Thank you, Pat.

3340
02:02:11,599 --> 02:02:12,880
>> Thank you. You're welcome. And I'm

3341
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:15,040
wrapping this up to thank everybody from

3342
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:17,520
the HHA that attended, including my

3343
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,239
fourth war councilman, my birthday party

3344
02:02:20,239 --> 02:02:22,320
in the rain, and a lot of them sick to

3345
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:24,320
this day. I appreciate it. We can't

3346
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:26,239
control mother nature, but thank all of

3347
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:27,040
you that showed up.

3348
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:27,679
>> Thank you, Pat.

3349
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:28,880
>> Thank y'all. I told you I was going to

3350
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:30,800
say this house under the hurry. I always

3351
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:32,159
got your back.

3352
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:45,510
>> Manuel Riveraire.

3353
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:46,560
Thank you, Council President. Good

3354
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,480
evening, Manuel Vas. Six W. Council

3355
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:49,679
President, I want to start off quickly

3356
02:02:49,679 --> 02:02:51,920
because that clock starts moving fast. I

3357
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,480
want to thank um members of the council,

3358
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:57,119
especially my sixword representative. I

3359
02:02:57,119 --> 02:03:00,080
took a second bite at the app. See, I I

3360
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:02,320
am a Justice. I put this sign up because

3361
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:04,960
I forgot to mention it when I was in in

3362
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:07,199
a consent agenda and my council woman

3363
02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:09,520
was able to catch it. Not council member

3364
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:11,040
um President Zano because he didn't have

3365
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:13,760
his glasses on. So, uh I'll give you a

3366
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:15,760
pass on that one, sir. But I appreciate

3367
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:17,520
it. And Council President, I also want

3368
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:20,400
to say that um there was a lot of

3369
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:23,440
discussion and I appreciate again the

3370
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:25,599
clarity that was said is all that

3371
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:27,840
members of the public want. um the

3372
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,719
discussion on J86, although it was a

3373
02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:32,800
little bit contentious, but it was I'm

3374
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:35,040
sure it wasn't personal, but I

3375
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:36,400
appreciate it and members of the public

3376
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:39,119
do appreciate it. And um that's what we

3377
02:03:39,119 --> 02:03:40,719
need. We need discussion. We need to

3378
02:03:40,719 --> 02:03:43,679
know what is happening with these

3379
02:03:43,679 --> 02:03:45,840
ordinances. And again, I just want to

3380
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:48,239
say thank you for all of that. And um

3381
02:03:48,239 --> 02:03:52,000
also, I want to say that I have to put

3382
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:54,719
on my glasses.

3383
02:03:54,719 --> 02:03:57,440
also want to say that the city codes are

3384
02:03:57,440 --> 02:04:01,840
important because they are the law that

3385
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:05,280
needs to be followed by the developers

3386
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:09,040
as well as the small um landlords. So my

3387
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:12,159
pet peeve is that that things happen and

3388
02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:16,400
you took off J72 and J75 this evening

3389
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:18,560
which were very contentious in the

3390
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:21,280
planning board meeting. Um, council

3391
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:22,960
president and council member Firestone

3392
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:25,840
can give testimony to that that I was

3393
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:28,000
there listening to the conversations and

3394
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:29,760
there is a lot of work that needs to be

3395
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:32,400
done before you bring these two back

3396
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:35,199
because there is um controversy in

3397
02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:37,840
regards to the parking that is going to

3398
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:40,480
be allowed for the developers and it is

3399
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,320
important that you decide and listen to

3400
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:44,800
that better and listen to um members of

3401
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,760
the zoning board. um they had very good

3402
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,960
um information. Council, former council

3403
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:53,360
member and mayor Doyle had very good

3404
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:55,119
points as well I think is Commissioner

3405
02:04:55,119 --> 02:04:57,119
Martin. So maybe reach out to them.

3406
02:04:57,119 --> 02:04:58,480
Council President, with that I'm going

3407
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:02,719
to say um to all to all um the residents

3408
02:05:02,719 --> 02:05:06,320
especially in myella who just left um

3409
02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:08,560
Pascalina

3410
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:11,599
boner boner

3411
02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:14,400
bon feliche

3412
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:17,199
patrimonal americano president if you

3413
02:05:17,199 --> 02:05:19,920
want me to translate I will. It just is

3414
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:23,199
um uh wishing uh our Hoboken

3415
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:25,760
Italian-American family a very happy

3416
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:30,320
Italian-American Heritage Month to all of you who are on the council,

3417
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:32,960
members of the public. Uh just want to

3418
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:35,679
say that council president again it was

3419
02:05:35,679 --> 02:05:37,599
mentioned before a member of the public

3420
02:05:37,599 --> 02:05:40,080
said it and I also want to thank you all

3421
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:43,360
for on the last meeting. I guess I just

3422
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:46,000
u am no longer the unofficial consoler

3423
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:48,080
of the council because some of you took

3424
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:50,719
the opportunity to mention a few of your

3425
02:05:50,719 --> 02:05:54,239
close um uh friends and uh constituents.

3426
02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:56,800
So I appreciate that. Uh maybe I'll come

3427
02:05:56,800 --> 02:05:58,880
back in another point, but uh today I

3428
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:00,719
just want to say that it is again as a

3429
02:06:00,719 --> 02:06:02,239
member of the public said it is uh

3430
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:04,880
October 7th and we want to remember uh

3431
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:06,239
the lives that were lost and the

3432
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:08,400
families that for were forever affected

3433
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:11,280
by the terrorist attacks in Israel on

3434
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:13,679
October 7th. We still pray for them.

3435
02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:15,520
Pray for their families. We pray for the

3436
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:16,880
survivors who are still suffering

3437
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:20,000
perhaps the scars of their detention.

3438
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:22,960
And we ask the Almighty um to have them

3439
02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:28,320
always in safe in a safe and

3440
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:30,880
secure place in their hearts and souls.

3441
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:32,239
Council President, we pray for them

3442
02:06:32,239 --> 02:06:35,199
always and we thank you all for for um

3443
02:06:35,199 --> 02:06:36,800
putting the attention. And Dana, like I

3444
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:38,639
said before, council president, it is

3445
02:06:38,639 --> 02:06:40,719
very important that this council have

3446
02:06:40,719 --> 02:06:42,800
always the best interest of the people.

3447
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:45,360
Communication is everything. It's key.

3448
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:47,920
It is important for us to understand and

3449
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:50,880
know the ins and outs of these agendas

3450
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:53,520
so that people can feel comfortable when

3451
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:55,840
they are representative vote on their

3452
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:58,159
regards. I know the time is going fast.

3453
02:06:58,159 --> 02:06:59,760
There are a lot of meetings. There is a

3454
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:02,000
cannabis meeting on the 22nd. It's very

3455
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:03,920
important that people who are interested

3456
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:06,639
to attend is via Zoom I believe. And

3457
02:07:06,639 --> 02:07:08,560
with that, Council President, because my

3458
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:11,599
time is running quickly, I just want to

3459
02:07:11,599 --> 02:07:15,679
say, as I said, and I say always, I flub

3460
02:07:15,679 --> 02:07:18,719
flubbed it last meeting, but I will take

3461
02:07:18,719 --> 02:07:21,280
my time now and say to my beloved

3462
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:23,679
Ukraine, although I am not Ukrainian,

3463
02:07:23,679 --> 02:07:26,960
Slava Ukraine, glory to Ukraine. Herm

3464
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:29,040
Slava, glory to the heroes. And with

3465
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:31,520
that, Council President, God bless you.

3466
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:33,679
all. God bless the men and

3467
02:07:33,679 --> 02:07:35,440
women in our armed services that are

3468
02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:36,960
serving in harm's way. May they return

3469
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:40,000
to their families safe and soon. And God

3470
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:41,760
bless Hoboken. And with that, Council

3471
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:43,280
President, I yield [snorts] with two

3472
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:44,639
minutes to spare. Thank you.

3473
02:07:44,639 --> 02:07:47,199
>> No time because you nothing left.

3474
02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:50,560
>> Joseph Cortez.

3475
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:55,030
>> Thank you, Manny.

3476
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:57,840
» Hello every concert member. Uh sorry,

3477
02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:00,000
I'm exhausted, so just give me a little

3478
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,960
bit here. Uh, basically I'm here with a

3479
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:04,719
few other people from the green room.

3480
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:06,560
Uh, I helped actually I'm the family

3481
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:08,880
manager there. Uh, unfortunately the

3482
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:10,880
owner Derek and Coner couldn't be here.

3483
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:13,920
They're actually both uh groomsmen at

3484
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:15,440
different weddings, so they couldn't

3485
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:18,320
show, but uh I did hear there's a

3486
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:20,480
cannabis board meeting or something on

3487
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:23,520
the 22nd. Uh, beautiful. So, they will

3488
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:25,520
be attending that one. Basically, I'm

3489
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:28,560
just here to give a little story. Um, if

3490
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,639
none of you or if any of you are aware

3491
02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:32,239
of what's going on in the cannabis

3492
02:08:32,239 --> 02:08:34,960
world, um, there are things happening

3493
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:37,360
with specifically the hemp industry,

3494
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:41,040
which we're in. Um,

3495
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:43,920
in November, things were going to be

3496
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:45,520
changing for us, which means the store

3497
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:46,800
would have to basically completely

3498
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:50,239
close. All of the products we have, CBD

3499
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:52,400
based, which has no high whatsoever,

3500
02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:54,159
changes with the new legislations

3501
02:08:54,159 --> 02:08:56,719
federally. Um, we're basically just

3502
02:08:56,719 --> 02:08:58,560
trying to

3503
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:00,480
get ourselves in the door if we're able

3504
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:02,239
to get an actual cannabis license

3505
02:09:02,239 --> 02:09:04,880
instead of a hemp's license. Uh, in

3506
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:07,840
December this year, as long as nothing

3507
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:10,239
changes, the doors will have to close.

3508
02:09:10,239 --> 02:09:14,079
The laws are very finicky, I would say,

3509
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:16,800
how they're doing things. Even though

3510
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:18,960
the percentage of THC is below that

3511
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:21,119
actually gets a person stoned, which is

3512
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:25,440
not what we do generally, uh CBD is just

3513
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:28,320
for health information, aches and pains,

3514
02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:32,159
things like that. Even though the THC

3515
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:34,719
content is below what is going to be

3516
02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:36,719
done, they're changing the laws that

3517
02:09:36,719 --> 02:09:39,760
it's even less. And any product that

3518
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:41,679
doesn't even have THC and is hemp

3519
02:09:41,679 --> 02:09:44,000
derived doesn't count for CBD basically

3520
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:45,920
anymore. They're basically just forcing

3521
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:49,520
places to get a actual license to do

3522
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:51,360
marijuana derived things, not hemp

3523
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:54,000
derived things. So, realistically, we're

3524
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:56,079
just seeing if you would give us a

3525
02:09:56,079 --> 02:09:58,960
support letter to be able to get said

3526
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:02,320
cannabis license uh for marijuana

3527
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:05,040
derived things, not hemp derived things.

3528
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:06,960
Uh

3529
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:10,079
I know it is a very weird gray space. I

3530
02:10:10,079 --> 02:10:12,560
know there is a cannabis board that is

3531
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:14,880
doing things. the owners have had

3532
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:16,880
multiple conversations, been here

3533
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:20,480
multiple times to talk about it. Um, but

3534
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:22,079
yeah, we're really just here to help

3535
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:25,119
people and keep going, keep doing

3536
02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:26,719
things. Been doing this for eight years

3537
02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:29,920
now and it's kind of crazy the uh

3538
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:32,880
stories and things that CBD in general

3539
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:35,520
helps with people and yeah, we're just

3540
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:37,199
trying to really see if you would give

3541
02:10:37,199 --> 02:10:39,840
us a letter of support to keep us going

3542
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:42,079
basically. uh if that is a thing that's

3543
02:10:42,079 --> 02:10:43,599
possible, you know, we would love to

3544
02:10:43,599 --> 02:10:46,400
keep going. We know there is already a

3545
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:48,239
certain amount of dispensaries in town.

3546
02:10:48,239 --> 02:10:50,480
There's certain amount of licenses. Uh

3547
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:53,040
we do already manufacture in Richfield,

3548
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:54,800
so it's completely different town,

3549
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:57,599
different license obviously. Uh but

3550
02:10:57,599 --> 02:10:58,719
basically, we're at the point where

3551
02:10:58,719 --> 02:11:01,199
we're being forced to

3552
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:04,239
change to this license. Um, it was never

3553
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:07,199
something we really wanted to do, but if

3554
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:10,239
we're forced to, we would open up and

3555
02:11:10,239 --> 02:11:12,320
basically make things as close to what

3556
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:15,520
we do as possible. Keep doing what we

3557
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:18,000
doing, but just switch where the product

3558
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:21,679
actually comes from. Um, yeah, I think

3559
02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:24,320
that's about it. Please, you know, if

3560
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:26,239
it's possible, let us know if it is.

3561
02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:28,400
It's really something we're trying to

3562
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:31,040
keep going and do things right.

3563
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:32,639
Basically, we've been doing it for 8

3564
02:11:32,639 --> 02:11:35,679
years. I mean, haven't had any troubles

3565
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:38,960
or anything from then. And uh yeah, we

3566
02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:41,520
just like to I I love to keep my job

3567
02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:43,440
basically. That's that's about where

3568
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:45,760
we're at. Uh but yeah, that's it. Thank

3569
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:46,480
you for the time.

3570
02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:47,760
>> Thank you, buddy. Appreciate you, buddy.

3571
02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:50,719
Thank you.

3572
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:54,456
>> Wer Palano. Wander.

3573
02:11:54,456 --> 02:11:57,990
[snorts]

3574
02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:00,800
» Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Um

3575
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:04,239
I'm here on behalf of uh Bland Barberhop

3576
02:12:04,239 --> 02:12:07,599
um regarding Green Room and what they're

3577
02:12:07,599 --> 02:12:10,400
going through right now. Um I initially

3578
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:13,920
came to Hoboken in 2018 and I worked for

3579
02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:15,760
Russell Basil across the street which is

3580
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:18,880
a feature you guys probably know. Um, it

3581
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:20,719
helped me get started and eventually I

3582
02:12:20,719 --> 02:12:21,920
opened up my own business which is a

3583
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:25,360
barber shop and uh, if you guys already

3584
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:27,199
know, Green Room is literally right next

3585
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:30,000
to to Basil and I got to meet Derek

3586
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:31,920
which was an became an amazing friend

3587
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:33,760
and inspired me to open up my own

3588
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:36,560
business. So, um, I'm not a cannabis

3589
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:39,440
consumer or hemp but I believe in him

3590
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:41,199
and I just come to support him as a

3591
02:12:41,199 --> 02:12:43,920
person, as a business owner. Um, he was

3592
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:47,920
always very generous to all of us at the establishment. uh only heard

3593
02:12:47,920 --> 02:12:49,920
great things about him and he helped us

3594
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:53,520
uh grow and uh yeah I believe in him and

3595
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:55,599
everything he's accomplished. I think

3596
02:12:55,599 --> 02:12:58,639
he's was able to open about uh seven

3597
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:00,639
locations in a matter of two years and

3598
02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:03,040
you don't do that by uh doing the wrong

3599
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:05,199
things and uh he just did right by

3600
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:08,320
people and did right by the community

3601
02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:09,840
and as soon as I heard that he needed

3602
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:11,920
some support I just rushed over here for

3603
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:17,760
my personal business and uh just came to show him support uh as he supported

3604
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:20,960
me and I think that

3605
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:23,199
I I believe in family and I believe in

3606
02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:26,320
people and Uh, I believe that you guys

3607
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:27,840
will hopefully give him a letter of

3608
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:30,320
support to continue his business that

3609
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:32,239
not only supports uh him and his family,

3610
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:37,440
but supports our families as well as the people that he uh employs.

3611
02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:41,199
Um, like I said, I'm sure um you guys uh

3612
02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:44,239
have the means and the power to maybe

3613
02:13:44,239 --> 02:13:46,239
convince or sway some of the laws and

3614
02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:48,320
the policies. Everything is changing

3615
02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:51,520
rapidly. Um uh my business is in

3616
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:53,840
downtown Jersey City. So every time I

3617
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:55,280
come to Hoboken, it just looks like a

3618
02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:57,199
whole different new place. Um I don't

3619
02:13:57,199 --> 02:13:58,719
know what's going on, but I just hope

3620
02:13:58,719 --> 02:14:02,000
that um Hoboken retains its identity and

3621
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:03,760
it's essential that it the local

3622
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:06,239
businesses, the small ones at least, um

3623
02:14:06,239 --> 02:14:08,320
remain so that way that people feel like

3624
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:10,960
they have a home to come back to. Um

3625
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:12,480
anyways, I'm very grateful for

3626
02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:14,719
everything Hoboken has done for me. Um,

3627
02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:17,520
I love the people here and I love uh

3628
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:19,920
what the people represent and yeah,

3629
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:21,360
that's all I got to say. So, thank you

3630
02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:21,599
guys.

3631
02:14:21,599 --> 02:14:22,880
>> Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for

3632
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:32,629
being here. Enrique Herrera.

3633
02:14:32,639 --> 02:14:34,159
» How's it going, guys? Uh, I wanted to

3634
02:14:34,159 --> 02:14:35,760
just bring up two topics. The first one

3635
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:38,239
is the green room. Uh, I had a very

3636
02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:40,480
specific situation happen with Blue

3637
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:43,440
Violet and their issue involving the 600

3638
02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:44,719
foot rule and everything and

3639
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:48,000
grandfathering them was essential with

3640
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:49,520
the amount of support that they had. I

3641
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:51,920
would support some sense of a measure of

3642
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:54,719
um postponing any type of closure uh

3643
02:14:54,719 --> 02:14:57,040
because of a shift in the hemp law. Um,

3644
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:58,880
I would say maybe even give them a

3645
02:14:58,880 --> 02:15:01,520
chance to work up something involving

3646
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:02,800
grandfathering themselves in since that

3647
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:04,800
was like the first hemp uh cannabis

3648
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:06,880
thing in Hoboken before, you know, it's

3649
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:08,880
like the precursor of the dispensaries.

3650
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:10,159
We don't want to throw them under the

3651
02:15:10,159 --> 02:15:11,840
bus and then putting in new dispensaries

3652
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:14,800
and keep those guys um out of jobs. So,

3653
02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:16,560
hey, uh, every time we close down a

3654
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:18,639
dispensary or any type of hemp based

3655
02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:20,719
topic, um, that's just another drug

3656
02:15:20,719 --> 02:15:22,159
dealer walking right in saying, "I got

3657
02:15:22,159 --> 02:15:24,560
customers." Uh so you know make sure we

3658
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:26,800
just show some respect for those um

3659
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:28,800
older dispensaries. Uh not saying

3660
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:30,719
grandfather all of everything but you

3661
02:15:30,719 --> 02:15:32,480
know that work. Uh [snorts] so shout out

3662
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:34,320
to Green Room. That's number one. And uh

3663
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:38,079
number two I wanted to and again I have

3664
02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:39,920
all the patients of world world. I

3665
02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:43,440
texted Presiano for a sword around um a

3666
02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:45,119
couple days ago involving or expressing

3667
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:46,960
my

3668
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:50,560
uh expression of op by OPMA standards

3669
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:52,320
neural link [snorts] misuse and the

3670
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:54,480
real-time voyagerism it comes with and I

3671
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:56,880
asked you questions I'm again all the

3672
02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:58,719
time in the world I think I think it was

3673
02:15:58,719 --> 02:16:00,480
your phone I I'll send you another text

3674
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:04,000
message but the questions were uh

3675
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:05,840
how do you feel about what I've said and

3676
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:07,280
if it comes to light our fourth

3677
02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:09,520
amendment is violated in real time How

3678
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:12,719
would you ever go about even um fixing

3679
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:14,400
that from a local level, let alone any

3680
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:15,760
type of federal level? So, I'm just

3681
02:16:15,760 --> 02:16:17,280
going to just elaborate into voyagerism

3682
02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:21,679
and generalizing the word of um

3683
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:24,320
just in essence someone who's aroused by

3684
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:25,920
any video that they catch somebody in

3685
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:27,679
their privacy. It involves sexual stuff

3686
02:16:27,679 --> 02:16:30,480
and involves my inclusion of neural link

3687
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:32,240
which is extra violating where you

3688
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:33,439
already know that information. That

3689
02:16:33,439 --> 02:16:35,280
would be some type of nardir technology

3690
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:36,800
or you know how some people got extra

3691
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:38,160
information and they need so I'm just

3692
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:40,719
going to just recite this one thread.

3693
02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:43,120
Real-time digital voyagerism, video

3694
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:45,280
voyagerism of a child, woman, or man via

3695
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:47,439
Neurlink is occurring not just through

3696
02:16:47,439 --> 02:16:49,599
classic cameras and locations, but via

3697
02:16:49,599 --> 02:16:51,359
Neurlink as it's interwoven with our

3698
02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:53,280
senses, which means I can see through

3699
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:54,719
your eyes in real time when you wake up

3700
02:16:54,719 --> 02:16:56,479
until you go to sleep, which it was

3701
02:16:56,479 --> 02:16:59,760
something I brought up in prior um you

3702
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:01,519
know, city hall meetings. I wanted to

3703
02:17:01,519 --> 02:17:03,439
really elaborate on misuse of this

3704
02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:05,040
neural link at school and work

3705
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:07,040
environments and in terms of violating

3706
02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:09,599
the fourth amendment. Uh to have

3707
02:17:09,599 --> 02:17:11,519
information or conduct yourself in an

3708
02:17:11,519 --> 02:17:13,280
investigative setting without a warrant,

3709
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:14,880
without a badge, you're pretty much a

3710
02:17:14,880 --> 02:17:16,160
civilian not going to the police. You're

3711
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:17,359
just going to use that on me, exploit

3712
02:17:17,359 --> 02:17:20,399
me, subjugate me, etc. Um with plus that

3713
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:22,399
technology update, it is something that

3714
02:17:22,399 --> 02:17:24,880
a lot of people don't talk about. But uh

3715
02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:26,559
preventative measures of any malicious

3716
02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:28,240
use of technology would be what I'm

3717
02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:29,679
doing which is talking about it just

3718
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:31,519
bringing it up because one day it would

3719
02:17:31,519 --> 02:17:33,599
be important that as we go about

3720
02:17:33,599 --> 02:17:35,760
neuroethics violations of anybody using

3721
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:37,519
any technology like that it would be

3722
02:17:37,519 --> 02:17:39,200
like well that person touched me

3723
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:42,240
wirelessly and um the conversation about

3724
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:44,479
you know uh Jane Doe's and how they

3725
02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:46,559
don't come forward unless there is a big

3726
02:17:46,559 --> 02:17:49,120
whistleblower situation. Uh I wanted to

3727
02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:51,599
put myself out there on that front of

3728
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:53,200
wanting to whistleblower for Leticia

3729
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:54,800
James which is the attorney general

3730
02:17:54,800 --> 02:17:57,200
involving AI and Neuralink and that

3731
02:17:57,200 --> 02:18:01,120
combination which is why um pausing AI

3732
02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:03,040
development is something everyone's

3733
02:18:03,040 --> 02:18:05,359
talking about. uh it involves real-time

3734
02:18:05,359 --> 02:18:06,559
instructors of communication using

3735
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:10,240
algorithms involving any and all above

3736
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:12,240
these new AIs look like they're loading

3737
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:14,240
screens like cloud which they look fancy

3738
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:15,519
on the computer and everything but it's

3739
02:18:15,519 --> 02:18:16,639
just a loading screen to get to the

3740
02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:19,040
answer prediction scale um my whole

3741
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:20,399
thing is neural link and how do we shut

3742
02:18:20,399 --> 02:18:23,840
that off and how easy can it be uh to

3743
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:27,280
shut it off u will that be free

3744
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:29,840
information or do you need to give an

3745
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:32,559
arm and a leg to it um but the

3746
02:18:32,559 --> 02:18:34,399
voyagerism is the general ization and

3747
02:18:34,399 --> 02:18:37,200
desensitization of that word where if

3748
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:38,880
that's possible with classic cameras,

3749
02:18:38,880 --> 02:18:40,319
can you do that if both of you share a

3750
02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:42,960
neural link? Is that possible that maybe

3751
02:18:42,960 --> 02:18:45,439
we are being surveiled right now? And

3752
02:18:45,439 --> 02:18:47,120
how do we get around that? Are there

3753
02:18:47,120 --> 02:18:48,800
demagnetization doormats at the door?

3754
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,000
You have to drop your neural link at the

3755
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:52,479
door. Um misusing that in a school

3756
02:18:52,479 --> 02:18:54,080
system, do you get expelled in a work

3757
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:57,840
environment? Do you get uh fired? Um,

3758
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:02,000
this is tomorrow talk that I hope can

3759
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:05,519
kind of bottleneck the AI development

3760
02:19:05,519 --> 02:19:08,160
phase or as Donald J. Trump says SI

3761
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:10,880
super intelligence now and um I really

3762
02:19:10,880 --> 02:19:12,960
wanted more of a public inquiry into it

3763
02:19:12,960 --> 02:19:14,479
involving that in our school system if

3764
02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:15,679
there is something like that even

3765
02:19:15,679 --> 02:19:18,160
remotely possible. uh again to bottle

3766
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:19,439
cap both of this because if this is the

3767
02:19:19,439 --> 02:19:22,319
talk of tomorrow it is preventing it's a

3768
02:19:22,319 --> 02:19:24,639
preventive measure to some degree and uh

3769
02:19:24,639 --> 02:19:26,559
that being said that that'll be it just

3770
02:19:26,559 --> 02:19:27,359
see

3771
02:19:27,359 --> 02:19:29,280
>> thank you Enrique appreciate it

3772
02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:31,280
>> a motion to close public portion

3773
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:32,559
>> second [clears throat] all in favor

3774
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:34,719
>> I cohen

3775
02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:36,479
>> thank you council president uh a few

3776
02:19:36,479 --> 02:19:38,800
people mentioned that today is October

3777
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:40,399
7th I just want to say a few words about

3778
02:19:40,399 --> 02:19:41,920
that

3779
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:44,080
from the murder of 1200 people to the

3780
02:19:44,080 --> 02:19:46,719
kidnapping of 240 others

3781
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:50,000
to rape, torture, mutilation of the

3782
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:53,200
deceased, to destruction. There is

3783
02:19:53,200 --> 02:19:55,280
scarcely a type of violence that did not

3784
02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:58,080
take place on October 7 against Israelis

3785
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:00,640
and Jews and against people of several

3786
02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:02,800
religions in more than 25 different

3787
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:05,120
nationalities with the Hamas

3788
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:07,040
perpetrators vowing to repeat these

3789
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:09,439
murderous actions again and again if

3790
02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:11,439
given the opportunity.

3791
02:20:11,439 --> 02:20:12,960
Tonight during our council meeting,

3792
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:14,399
there was a candlelight vigil taking

3793
02:20:14,399 --> 02:20:16,160
place on the Hoboken waterfront. I

3794
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:18,720
attended a similar vigil three days

3795
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:21,040
after October 7, October 10, three years

3796
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:23,439
ago, organized by four local Hoboken

3797
02:20:23,439 --> 02:20:26,399
moms and government, Governor Murphy and

3798
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:27,920
approximately a thousand members of our

3799
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:30,720
community gathered that night as a

3800
02:20:30,720 --> 02:20:32,560
community in mourning and a community in

3801
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:35,120
shock. And I participated again at a

3802
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:37,680
similar waterfront vigil last year on

3803
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:40,319
October 7th. I want to acknowledge the

3804
02:20:40,319 --> 02:20:42,640
third anniversary of October 7 and ask

3805
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:44,640
my colleagues and those gathered here

3806
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:46,240
today for a moment of silence for those

3807
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:47,840
whose lives were lost three years ago

3808
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:54,790
today.

3809
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:56,800
» Thank you, Counc.

3810
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:58,960
First, Phil, thank you

3811
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:02,080
for uh the words and it's a day of

3812
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:03,600
remembrance for all of us and day of

3813
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:05,680
mourning for all of us. So, I appreciate

3814
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:08,960
that. Um,

3815
02:21:08,960 --> 02:21:11,680
let me let me start here with uh just a

3816
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:14,720
quick statement and I'd appreciate not

3817
02:21:14,720 --> 02:21:16,560
being cut off or interrupted and I most

3818
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:18,160
certainly would appreciate not being

3819
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:19,760
disrespected like I was at the last

3820
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:22,319
council meeting. I have a few comments

3821
02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:26,000
uh on a few different things.

3822
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:29,359
Uh first I want to talk about

3823
02:21:29,359 --> 02:21:32,000
the corporation council sending a memo

3824
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:35,439
to this this council uh after we had a

3825
02:21:35,439 --> 02:21:37,280
discussion

3826
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:40,479
in particular about a salary ordinance

3827
02:21:40,479 --> 02:21:45,359
and how we pay our employees.

3828
02:21:45,359 --> 02:21:47,359
Uh I asked for that memo. It was

3829
02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:49,359
provided to the council and I thank you

3830
02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:53,200
for providing that. Um, and corporation

3831
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:55,280
council, you you stand by everything you

3832
02:21:55,280 --> 02:22:04,150
put in that memo, I'm assuming. Correct.

3833
02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:07,920
» Yes. And um there's also another memo by

3834
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:10,080
outside counsel subject

3835
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:12,000
>> uh corporation council and I appreciate

3836
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:13,840
that and I think it was very apparent

3837
02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:16,720
that I disagreed with that opinion and I

3838
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:18,399
made it very clear that I disagree with

3839
02:22:18,399 --> 02:22:23,670
your opinion on that. Um,

3840
02:22:23,680 --> 02:22:25,359
so

3841
02:22:25,359 --> 02:22:30,800
I took it upon myself to follow guidance

3842
02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:34,240
to introduce a resolution

3843
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:36,880
to wave privilege

3844
02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:39,680
and I submitted that resolution in a

3845
02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:41,600
timely manner to the city's clerk to the

3846
02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:43,680
city clerk

3847
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:46,160
and when the agenda came out that

3848
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:49,040
resolution was removed from the agenda.

3849
02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:51,359
It was a simple resolution just waving

3850
02:22:51,359 --> 02:22:55,120
privilege so that not only this council

3851
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:58,880
could disclose that to other bodies and

3852
02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:01,840
the public and it really didn't say much

3853
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:03,760
more than that

3854
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:06,560
and that was removed. So, I have

3855
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:09,120
questions about why that was removed

3856
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:12,000
because it was duly introduced and

3857
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:13,680
seconded

3858
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:16,319
in a timely manner and that was

3859
02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:19,520
unilaterally removed from the agenda.

3860
02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:22,880
And I'd like to know why that was and

3861
02:23:22,880 --> 02:23:27,840
under what authority that was.

3862
02:23:27,840 --> 02:23:29,760
Now, the only person who could remove

3863
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:32,080
something from the agenda without any

3864
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:36,000
question is the council president.

3865
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:38,800
So, council president, if that was your

3866
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:41,359
decision, I like to know that that was

3867
02:23:41,359 --> 02:23:47,280
your decision because the excuse of

3868
02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:50,240
well, there may be some legal concerns

3869
02:23:50,240 --> 02:23:54,080
is not a valid excuse for removing

3870
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:56,319
something from the agenda. We have put

3871
02:23:56,319 --> 02:23:58,479
resolutions and ordinances before this

3872
02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:00,800
council

3873
02:24:00,800 --> 02:24:02,560
when we have disagreed with the opinion

3874
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:04,160
of our corporation council and they were

3875
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:07,040
voted on. You every council member has

3876
02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:10,080
the right to vote however they choose

3877
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:11,920
but they do not have the re the

3878
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:14,319
administration does not have the right

3879
02:24:14,319 --> 02:24:18,000
to remove a resolution.

3880
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:19,520
>> I that was they did not remove it. I

3881
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:20,880
removed it.

3882
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:24,000
So I'll ask you council president

3883
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:27,040
what was your reasoning to remove that

3884
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:28,800
>> from the council agenda

3885
02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:30,080
>> because I had legal concerns leading

3886
02:24:30,080 --> 02:24:31,600
into it and I want more clarification

3887
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:32,800
which I requested for corporation

3888
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:34,080
council which I believe we received

3889
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:34,560
today

3890
02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:38,640
>> and I and I appreciate that. However

3891
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:41,359
to me that's not a valid reason but

3892
02:24:41,359 --> 02:24:44,870
we'll get to that.

3893
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:47,359
this second memo that we received today

3894
02:24:47,359 --> 02:24:50,960
about the potential legality

3895
02:24:50,960 --> 02:24:53,359
of

3896
02:24:53,359 --> 02:24:56,880
the resolution that I put forward.

3897
02:24:56,880 --> 02:25:01,200
My question to corporation council is

3898
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:04,479
who was wrong? Was it you, Corporation

3899
02:25:04,479 --> 02:25:07,439
council, when you advised this council,

3900
02:25:07,439 --> 02:25:09,359
that the only way to wave that privilege

3901
02:25:09,359 --> 02:25:11,920
is through a resolution? Or is it the

3902
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:13,760
outside council that sent the memo

3903
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:17,200
today? Because in your original memo,

3904
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:19,439
and I'll read, and it's not disclosing

3905
02:25:19,439 --> 02:25:21,760
any information. This is just a preamble

3906
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:23,680
of the council's confidential

3907
02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:26,640
confidentiality notice. It says very

3908
02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:28,800
clearly in that memo, and as you just

3909
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:32,080
stated, you stand by all of it. The

3910
02:25:32,080 --> 02:25:34,160
Office of Corporation Council does not

3911
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:36,399
consent to the disclosure or

3912
02:25:36,399 --> 02:25:38,319
dissemination of this confidential

3913
02:25:38,319 --> 02:25:40,960
information and any disclosure or

3914
02:25:40,960 --> 02:25:42,720
dissemination of this confidential

3915
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:46,319
information absent a resolution passed

3916
02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:50,319
by the city council is authorized.

3917
02:25:50,319 --> 02:25:53,040
So who was wrong? Was it you corporation

3918
02:25:53,040 --> 02:25:55,520
council saying that we can wave

3919
02:25:55,520 --> 02:25:57,200
privilege

3920
02:25:57,200 --> 02:26:00,399
by a resolution or is it the outside

3921
02:26:00,399 --> 02:26:03,760
council who has now informed us that we

3922
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:11,030
cannot unilaterally wave privilege?

3923
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:12,640
» I think you're pro I don't know where

3924
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:14,640
that language is coming from.

3925
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:16,720
>> It's coming from a memo from the office

3926
02:26:16,720 --> 02:26:18,560
of corporation council that you

3927
02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:21,520
distributed to the entire council. I

3928
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:23,120
didn't write that language. That's

3929
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:25,680
standard template language that you

3930
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:26,800
have.

3931
02:26:26,800 --> 02:26:28,160
>> Sorry, your your name.

3932
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:30,640
>> You need to I'm speaking. I'm still

3933
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:33,760
speaking. So that is template language.

3934
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:36,000
>> And I appreciate I appreciate the

3935
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:36,479
respect.

3936
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:39,120
>> I'm still speaking. That is template

3937
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:42,479
language that this city has used for

3938
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:46,720
years. I didn't write it. And it's

3939
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:49,200
obviously based on the opinion that you

3940
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:50,720
receive today.

3941
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:54,240
it. You cannot wave the attorney client

3942
02:26:54,240 --> 02:26:57,040
privilege with a resolution. The council

3943
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:59,600
doesn't have that authority under the

3944
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:02,560
Faulner act. And the reason that you

3945
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:05,120
cannot put thing you cannot put items on

3946
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:10,720
the agenda for to to authorize an action

3947
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:13,680
that you can't lawfully take and you

3948
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:15,520
don't have the authority. I'm still

3949
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:16,319
speaking.

3950
02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:18,880
>> Excuse me. This is this is my time. I'm

3951
02:27:18,880 --> 02:27:22,080
excuse me speaking. This is my time to

3952
02:27:22,080 --> 02:27:23,200
ask when you come back.

3953
02:27:23,200 --> 02:27:25,520
>> Excuse me. This is my time. With all due

3954
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:27,200
respect, now that's the second meeting

3955
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:29,280
that you've been disrespectful to me.

3956
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:33,280
That's the second time. Okay.

3957
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:37,840
The reality is that I have a broad

3958
02:27:37,840 --> 02:27:40,880
number of ways that I could move

3959
02:27:40,880 --> 02:27:42,880
forward.

3960
02:27:42,880 --> 02:27:45,200
One, which is the simplest, is to ask to

3961
02:27:45,200 --> 02:27:47,920
wave privilege, which by the way was

3962
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:50,160
probably not even necessary if all this

3963
02:27:50,160 --> 02:27:52,880
council needed to do was add corporation

3964
02:27:52,880 --> 02:27:54,960
counsel into a salary ordinance. And I'm

3965
02:27:54,960 --> 02:27:56,800
sure there was five votes to do that.

3966
02:27:56,800 --> 02:27:59,200
But it chose not to out of ignorance,

3967
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:01,280
out of arrogance, or out of spite.

3968
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:04,960
Whatever the decision is, it is. But we

3969
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:07,280
have multiple ways that we could do

3970
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:10,640
that. I could do it by a resolution to

3971
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:12,960
wave privilege. I could do it by filing

3972
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:14,800
an ethics complaint to the New Jersey

3973
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:18,640
State Bar. I could do it by invoking the

3974
02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:20,800
council's broad authority as an

3975
02:28:20,800 --> 02:28:24,080
investigative body with not only sworn

3976
02:28:24,080 --> 02:28:28,560
testimony, but subpoena power.

3977
02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:31,600
So, there are multiple ways that I could

3978
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:34,960
have broached this. I chose to do it the

3979
02:28:34,960 --> 02:28:39,359
most simple and less aggressive way. But

3980
02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:40,800
for whatever reason, this

3981
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:43,200
administration, this mayor, and whoever

3982
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:46,960
else is deciding to to die on this hill

3983
02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:50,160
when all we needed to do was correct one

3984
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:52,479
simple thing, and it was to put the

3985
02:28:52,479 --> 02:28:54,319
corporation council title into our

3986
02:28:54,319 --> 02:28:56,960
salary ordinance and set that salary

3987
02:28:56,960 --> 02:28:58,960
range so the mayor could choose between

3988
02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:01,840
a salary range. That is it. That is all

3989
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:08,160
I wanted to do. And for whatever reason,

3990
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:11,680
we chose as a city not to do that.

3991
02:29:11,680 --> 02:29:13,439
Councilman Cano made made a statement

3992
02:29:13,439 --> 02:29:16,640
earlier and I I fully disagree with it.

3993
02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:18,240
I don't think this city I don't think

3994
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:19,920
the city administration is being

3995
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:24,000
transparent at all. Transparency

3996
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:26,960
is not about making a cute video on

3997
02:29:26,960 --> 02:29:28,720
Instagram.

3998
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:31,600
It's not about sending out an email to

3999
02:29:31,600 --> 02:29:33,600
city council members about a ribbon

4000
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:37,359
cutting. It is not about touting on

4001
02:29:37,359 --> 02:29:39,760
social media the fun events in the city

4002
02:29:39,760 --> 02:29:42,800
of Hoboken. What transparency is really

4003
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:44,319
about

4004
02:29:44,319 --> 02:29:46,640
is when someone disagrees with the

4005
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:50,000
determination of the administration,

4006
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:54,000
they open their books wide and far so

4007
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:56,479
that people could look at exactly what's

4008
02:29:56,479 --> 02:29:58,000
going on.

4009
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:01,040
Transparency is not

4010
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:04,319
closing those books out of ignorance,

4011
02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:08,000
out of arrogance or out of spite.

4012
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:11,359
And that is exactly what happened. So I

4013
02:30:11,359 --> 02:30:13,600
will take whatever means necessary to

4014
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:16,319
make sure that the public knows exactly

4015
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:19,280
what is going on.

4016
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,840
That's my first point.

4017
02:30:21,840 --> 02:30:25,120
My second point is I also asked for a

4018
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:28,720
memo pertaining to Grand Street. And now

4019
02:30:28,720 --> 02:30:31,439
I get it. I've been around a long time.

4020
02:30:31,439 --> 02:30:34,240
We slow rode that memo until October

4021
02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:36,560
rolled around when the Grand Street

4022
02:30:36,560 --> 02:30:39,520
pilot is now at its end.

4023
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:42,399
So my question to our business

4024
02:30:42,399 --> 02:30:45,520
administrator is what is the plan now

4025
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:48,000
that the Grand Street pilot is at its

4026
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:52,240
end to start to revert that back

4027
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:54,319
so that we

4028
02:30:54,319 --> 02:30:58,160
can get back to a normal life on Grand

4029
02:30:58,160 --> 02:31:00,160
Street for the residents who have

4030
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:01,840
continued to complain about their

4031
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:04,880
quality of life. What is the plan and

4032
02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:07,040
next steps so that we could revert it

4033
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:09,120
back?

4034
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:12,240
So the Grand Street pilot ends in early

4035
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:15,439
November. Um we are in the process of

4036
02:31:15,439 --> 02:31:17,439
developing some public engagement for

4037
02:31:17,439 --> 02:31:18,960
the remainder of this month. We're

4038
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:20,720
already collecting data. We will be

4039
02:31:20,720 --> 02:31:22,560
evaluating that data and presenting that

4040
02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:25,200
data publicly and then we will present

4041
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:28,399
to you recommendations really options

4042
02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:30,399
right for for your review and

4043
02:31:30,399 --> 02:31:31,920
consideration

4044
02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:35,280
um for changes to the Grand Street

4045
02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:38,160
pilot. Um, all of that will happen in

4046
02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:40,080
early November

4047
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:41,680
>> as that is when the pilot ends.

4048
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:46,319
>> When was the resolution? I'm sorry. When

4049
02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:48,160
did the administration last year start

4050
02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:49,040
the pilot?

4051
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:51,120
>> November.

4052
02:31:51,120 --> 02:31:51,520
>> Yes.

4053
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:53,520
>> No, they started in October.

4054
02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:54,080
>> Started in October.

4055
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:56,080
>> It was before It was before election

4056
02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:56,399
day.

4057
02:31:56,399 --> 02:31:58,640
>> It was mid-occtober.

4058
02:31:58,640 --> 02:32:00,720
>> It wasn't October 7th, but it was mid It

4059
02:32:00,720 --> 02:32:02,640
was mid-occtober before election day.

4060
02:32:02,640 --> 02:32:04,399
>> Okay. We can can certainly double check.

4061
02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:07,280
former the former mayor um issued an

4062
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:09,439
executive order on October 7th

4063
02:32:09,439 --> 02:32:10,720
>> issued it but then I went into

4064
02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:12,560
>> but the pilot went into effect I believe

4065
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:13,439
November 18th

4066
02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:14,960
>> there was never a pilot

4067
02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:15,520
>> instructed

4068
02:32:15,520 --> 02:32:16,880
>> there was never a time frame for the

4069
02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:18,560
pilot it was just all headlines there

4070
02:32:18,560 --> 02:32:20,720
was never a one-year there was ne

4071
02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:23,200
literally never any parameters it was

4072
02:32:23,200 --> 02:32:28,160
just a headline with no parameters and what has happened is the

4073
02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:32,080
administration has has kind of said well

4074
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:34,080
we think the pilot should be one they're

4075
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:36,080
they've latched on to it and they're

4076
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:39,680
coming up with these dates and

4077
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:43,760
just I mean that's the fact pattern. So

4078
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:46,080
>> So for a vote in

4079
02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:47,680
>> I mean the next there there should be

4080
02:32:47,680 --> 02:32:50,160
something on the next agenda, right?

4081
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:51,439
There should be something on the next

4082
02:32:51,439 --> 02:32:53,520
agenda in our transportation committee

4083
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:56,479
on this to eliminate this because I'm

4084
02:32:56,479 --> 02:32:58,479
confident there are five votes on this

4085
02:32:58,479 --> 02:33:00,000
council that will not support

4086
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:02,080
continuing. There may be more, but

4087
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:03,520
there's at least five votes that will

4088
02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:06,399
not support continuing this bike lane in

4089
02:33:06,399 --> 02:33:08,240
this area. And if it's costing the city

4090
02:33:08,240 --> 02:33:11,439
money, we can take money out of the $45

4091
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:13,600
million that is sitting in the parking

4092
02:33:13,600 --> 02:33:16,160
utilities, you know, account and do an

4093
02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:18,319
emergency appropriation if we need to to

4094
02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:20,000
pull it out, pay for it, and take it

4095
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:21,680
down. And we should just do it.

4096
02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:25,680
>> I agree.

4097
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:28,080
>> And anything else is political, and it

4098
02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:31,040
shouldn't be. And that leads me to my

4099
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:37,349
third and final point is Adam Street.

4100
02:33:37,359 --> 02:33:42,630
When will the

4101
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,720
information from the survey be available

4102
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:49,040
to the council and when will the

4103
02:33:49,040 --> 02:33:52,080
public meeting down in the third ward or

4104
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:54,560
fourth ward depending on the location?

4105
02:33:54,560 --> 02:33:56,319
Um

4106
02:33:56,319 --> 02:33:58,640
when will that be happening?

4107
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:00,319
So, I believe the survey is open through

4108
02:34:00,319 --> 02:34:03,359
October 16th. Um, so we'll provide the

4109
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:06,000
data to the council shortly thereafter.

4110
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:07,760
And I don't believe the public meeting

4111
02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:09,439
has been scheduled yet, but as soon as

4112
02:34:09,439 --> 02:34:11,280
it is scheduled, I will certainly let

4113
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:14,870
the council know.

4114
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:16,640
» Okay. Thank you,

4115
02:34:16,640 --> 02:34:18,880
>> Council President. Uh, Councilwoman

4116
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:20,240
Fischer, sorry.

4117
02:34:20,240 --> 02:34:22,960
>> Yeah, just a couple quick things. Um, I

4118
02:34:22,960 --> 02:34:25,439
think uh top of mind for a lot of people

4119
02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:29,680
this week was the crash Friday night um

4120
02:34:29,680 --> 02:34:34,479
where a car was going through um blew

4121
02:34:34,479 --> 02:34:36,240
the stop sign at 15th and Hudson going

4122
02:34:36,240 --> 02:34:39,359
north on Hudson uh turned left on 15th

4123
02:34:39,359 --> 02:34:42,720
and just ran over a pedestrian. Um it's

4124
02:34:42,720 --> 02:34:44,240
right outside my building in the middle

4125
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:46,319
of you know kind of the center of the

4126
02:34:46,319 --> 02:34:47,760
second ward or the corner of the second

4127
02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:49,600
w and it's been very jarring to my

4128
02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:51,439
neighbors that you know go through that

4129
02:34:51,439 --> 02:34:53,920
intersection every day but I think it's

4130
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:55,439
a lot of the feedback that I've received

4131
02:34:55,439 --> 02:34:58,880
from people um citywide is this just a

4132
02:34:58,880 --> 02:35:01,200
reminder that we have intersections all

4133
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:05,040
over the city where uh we you know

4134
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:06,240
people are just going through stop

4135
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:08,399
signs. Um just a quick update the woman

4136
02:35:08,399 --> 02:35:10,880
was hospitalized with serious uh

4137
02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:12,720
injuries. Thankfully, she has been

4138
02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:15,280
released um and is recovering with

4139
02:35:15,280 --> 02:35:17,920
family. I understand the dog is with her

4140
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,319
and with family um and just a lot of

4141
02:35:20,319 --> 02:35:22,399
neighbors have, you know, reached out

4142
02:35:22,399 --> 02:35:26,000
and um wanted to support. Um we had a

4143
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:27,600
like a town hall with neighbors last

4144
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:30,640
night uh that was scheduled literally

4145
02:35:30,640 --> 02:35:32,319
two months ago, but with 15th Street

4146
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:34,399
Neighbors. Um the mayor came up and this

4147
02:35:34,399 --> 02:35:36,160
was part of the conversation. And the

4148
02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:38,080
good news is the administration

4149
02:35:38,080 --> 02:35:39,680
announced a number of safety

4150
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:42,319
improvements at that intersection. Um

4151
02:35:42,319 --> 02:35:44,640
just making adding, you know, immediate

4152
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:46,399
cheap and cheerful, immediately

4153
02:35:46,399 --> 02:35:49,040
available um improvements like

4154
02:35:49,040 --> 02:35:52,720
repainting the uh uh the crosswalks,

4155
02:35:52,720 --> 02:35:55,280
putting in a flashing stop sign, re I

4156
02:35:55,280 --> 02:35:56,399
don't remember what you called it, but

4157
02:35:56,399 --> 02:35:59,600
like brighter um existing stop signs and

4158
02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:02,880
some other um features. And um and we've

4159
02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:04,960
also had a conversation about improving

4160
02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:07,280
15th Street. So 15th Street for

4161
02:36:07,280 --> 02:36:11,120
everyone's benefit um has been if you go

4162
02:36:11,120 --> 02:36:14,000
back to 2010,

4163
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:16,080
uh 15th Street's been identified

4164
02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:17,760
continuously as one of the top three

4165
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:19,920
most dangerous streets in the city. So

4166
02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:22,399
we're going to work on it. Um but I just

4167
02:36:22,399 --> 02:36:24,000
want to thank the administration for

4168
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:26,000
responding so quickly, doing a review

4169
02:36:26,000 --> 02:36:29,680
and and making these improvements um uh

4170
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:31,439
to what has been a very dangerous

4171
02:36:31,439 --> 02:36:33,359
intersection. Um and then the other two

4172
02:36:33,359 --> 02:36:37,439
things um is we have a new an up the

4173
02:36:37,439 --> 02:36:39,439
next street closure which is Grove

4174
02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:44,720
Street which is next week. Um and uh so

4175
02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:46,640
we just you know need to be armed for

4176
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:48,479
that. That's going to be another five

4177
02:36:48,479 --> 02:36:50,160
months of excitement in Southwest

4178
02:36:50,160 --> 02:36:54,240
Hoboken. Uh the positive is

4179
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:57,200
it's a cumulative knowledge. Um most

4180
02:36:57,200 --> 02:37:00,240
importantly, not cumulative on the work

4181
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:02,240
that's being done, but cumulative for

4182
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:04,240
all the work the administration's doing

4183
02:37:04,240 --> 02:37:08,479
to manage traffic in the area. Um so we

4184
02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:11,040
have a traffic consultant. Um, we have,

4185
02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:12,479
similar to what we've done with other of

4186
02:37:12,479 --> 02:37:15,600
the Southwest closures, just a lot of

4187
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:18,000
focus on making sure it flows. And I'm

4188
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:20,960
sure our council president will be uh

4189
02:37:20,960 --> 02:37:22,800
giving immediate feedback as soon as

4190
02:37:22,800 --> 02:37:25,439
that closure happens. Um, and then

4191
02:37:25,439 --> 02:37:28,880
lastly, for anyone who's not yet aware,

4192
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:31,439
uh they're doing the second side of the

4193
02:37:31,439 --> 02:37:34,000
portal bridge in Carney. Um and in order

4194
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:36,240
to do that they are rerouting all of the

4195
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:40,240
Midtown uh trains from various suburbs

4196
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:42,560
uh to Hoboken and that is starting

4197
02:37:42,560 --> 02:37:45,200
Monday. Um I think we were all we

4198
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:46,479
thought it was Armageddon and the last

4199
02:37:46,479 --> 02:37:48,319
time they did this it ended up not doing

4200
02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:50,479
that because there were significantly

4201
02:37:50,479 --> 02:37:54,720
more fairies etc that were brought to um

4202
02:37:54,720 --> 02:37:56,479
that were brought downtown and were able

4203
02:37:56,479 --> 02:37:58,479
to absorb all what they what they've

4204
02:37:58,479 --> 02:38:00,720
said is almost 10,000 um additional

4205
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:02,720
passengers coming into the terminal. So

4206
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:04,560
that but that said be on the lookout

4207
02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:08,640
that we we still will expect some um you

4208
02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:10,800
know just some challenges in Hoboken

4209
02:38:10,800 --> 02:38:12,000
while that's happening.

4210
02:38:12,000 --> 02:38:13,680
>> Thank you Council President Zano.

4211
02:38:13,680 --> 02:38:17,190
>> Yeah. So

4212
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:20,640
I I spent a lot of time this weekend uh

4213
02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:25,520
reading in court cases and kind of in

4214
02:38:25,520 --> 02:38:28,399
understanding of putting forth the

4215
02:38:28,399 --> 02:38:33,680
resolution with Councilman Russo. Uh,

4216
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:37,439
I spend quite I think your wife yelled

4217
02:38:37,439 --> 02:38:39,280
at me for reading so much cuz I wasn't

4218
02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:40,640
paying attention or she thought I was

4219
02:38:40,640 --> 02:38:43,520
screwing around on the phone. um to

4220
02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:48,710
understand whether

4221
02:38:48,720 --> 02:38:50,560
the

4222
02:38:50,560 --> 02:38:52,319
question in hand of salary ordinance

4223
02:38:52,319 --> 02:38:56,160
with the position and not even about the

4224
02:38:56,160 --> 02:38:58,160
memo whether it was okay to ask about a

4225
02:38:58,160 --> 02:39:01,760
memo being uh uh produced for the public

4226
02:39:01,760 --> 02:39:03,600
that we were given you know basically

4227
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:04,880
attorney client privilege to the

4228
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:06,880
council. So I was more asking on the

4229
02:39:06,880 --> 02:39:10,960
salary ordinance. So I went over and over and I kept all the

4230
02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:12,560
different codes in the state. The state

4231
02:39:12,560 --> 02:39:14,399
had to correct itself which you educated

4232
02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:16,080
us last time which or I think even in

4233
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:20,160
the memo um uh not in the memo in the in

4234
02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:25,280
the um uh I'm getting myself confused in

4235
02:39:25,280 --> 02:39:27,359
what I read over the weekend. So the

4236
02:39:27,359 --> 02:39:29,120
state had to correct itself because

4237
02:39:29,120 --> 02:39:30,640
there was a court case actually I think

4238
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:32,960
out of Hudson County that changed some

4239
02:39:32,960 --> 02:39:35,040
things. So what powers it gave to the

4240
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:37,359
mayor? One of my main's concerns was

4241
02:39:37,359 --> 02:39:39,680
does our law overstep the boundaries

4242
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:44,560
with state law? And my concern there was

4243
02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:46,479
uh and the reason one of the reasons why

4244
02:39:46,479 --> 02:39:49,040
I kind of thought about this was the

4245
02:39:49,040 --> 02:39:50,560
court case that just took place in

4246
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:52,240
Jersey City about rent control. And I

4247
02:39:52,240 --> 02:39:54,800
got really scared because

4248
02:39:54,800 --> 02:39:57,920
is is there some implications here where

4249
02:39:57,920 --> 02:39:59,680
state law is trumping our law and how

4250
02:39:59,680 --> 02:40:02,399
many of our laws internally uh or in

4251
02:40:02,399 --> 02:40:05,600
town of Hoboken conflict with state law.

4252
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:07,520
Now when Councilman Russo had asked me

4253
02:40:07,520 --> 02:40:11,120
to join him on this uh to release it I I

4254
02:40:11,120 --> 02:40:14,855
kind of read again this is me. I didn't

4255
02:40:14,855 --> 02:40:18,080
[snorts] see anything really secret.

4256
02:40:18,080 --> 02:40:20,640
That's my personal opinion. And so when

4257
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:22,720
he asked for my support in it, I

4258
02:40:22,720 --> 02:40:25,840
thought, okay, why not? But the reason

4259
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:29,040
why I thought that was because in the

4260
02:40:29,040 --> 02:40:31,280
letter or the email that I had asked for

4261
02:40:31,280 --> 02:40:32,880
kind of some kind of explanation, and I

4262
02:40:32,880 --> 02:40:35,200
think Councilman Russo asked as well,

4263
02:40:35,200 --> 02:40:38,560
that it was a the it was in

4264
02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:41,200
determination of what the city council

4265
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:44,000
asked corporation council, not the

4266
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:46,800
administration asking corporation

4267
02:40:46,800 --> 02:40:49,280
council. So I said this was really a

4268
02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:52,160
guidance for us. So I said why wouldn't

4269
02:40:52,160 --> 02:40:55,120
we have the ability then to allow that

4270
02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:56,800
to the public which again I don't think

4271
02:40:56,800 --> 02:40:58,640
there's anything really secret in there

4272
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:01,280
but that's a personal opinion. Now I'd

4273
02:41:01,280 --> 02:41:02,960
like to just these are just some

4274
02:41:02,960 --> 02:41:04,000
statements

4275
02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:06,160
>> major points we saw the other memos

4276
02:41:06,160 --> 02:41:08,880
today. I get it. I just want to bring

4277
02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:12,560
another point up and

4278
02:41:12,560 --> 02:41:14,319
historically since I've sat in this

4279
02:41:14,319 --> 02:41:16,960
seat.

4280
02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:20,240
We get confidential memos

4281
02:41:20,240 --> 02:41:22,321
right before a council meeting and many

4282
02:41:22,321 --> 02:41:23,680
[snorts] of us are trying to balance our

4283
02:41:23,680 --> 02:41:25,200
daily lives or our families or our

4284
02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:27,359
children and there is not enough time to

4285
02:41:27,359 --> 02:41:28,960
read it. And I would like to bring up

4286
02:41:28,960 --> 02:41:31,359
this point because Councilman Cohen took

4287
02:41:31,359 --> 02:41:35,280
a shot at Councilwoman Fiser saying that

4288
02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:37,040
um the speed of the noise ordinance or

4289
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:39,280
you didn't talk to anybody and you

4290
02:41:39,280 --> 02:41:41,280
didn't really make a conversation there.

4291
02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:44,160
So, Phil, I hope you can agree with me

4292
02:41:44,160 --> 02:41:48,000
on this. We got the second memo today at

4293
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:50,800
6:03 p.m.

4294
02:41:50,800 --> 02:41:53,520
27 minutes before we had a close

4295
02:41:53,520 --> 02:41:56,640
session. The other ruling that came in

4296
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:59,920
from outside council was 4:36 in the

4297
02:41:59,920 --> 02:42:01,520
day.

4298
02:42:01,520 --> 02:42:02,960
Now [snorts]

4299
02:42:02,960 --> 02:42:05,120
trying to balance a family, get here and

4300
02:42:05,120 --> 02:42:06,479
do everything else you have to do before

4301
02:42:06,479 --> 02:42:08,160
a council meeting because you got to

4302
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:10,399
compact everything before you get here.

4303
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:13,280
That doesn't leave much time to actually

4304
02:42:13,280 --> 02:42:16,720
read through this. If

4305
02:42:16,720 --> 02:42:18,800
now if

4306
02:42:18,800 --> 02:42:22,080
I would have known I mean Friday we got

4307
02:42:22,080 --> 02:42:23,600
letters that this wasn't going to be on

4308
02:42:23,600 --> 02:42:26,000
the agenda. I figured let me get myself

4309
02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:29,680
prepared read all weekend

4310
02:42:29,680 --> 02:42:31,040
thinking that if there was going to be

4311
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:32,960
any issues that there would be some kind

4312
02:42:32,960 --> 02:42:35,120
of uh somebody would give me a memo from

4313
02:42:35,120 --> 02:42:36,319
somewhere else cuz I think the

4314
02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:37,920
administration had said that they were

4315
02:42:37,920 --> 02:42:40,000
looking at outside questions as well

4316
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:42,160
just so everything was on the up and up.

4317
02:42:42,160 --> 02:42:44,960
However, dropping that at

4318
02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:48,000
6:03 and 4:30 in the afternoon kind of

4319
02:42:48,000 --> 02:42:51,600
just just it sucks

4320
02:42:51,600 --> 02:42:53,200
because I didn't really have a chance to

4321
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:55,520
delve into the second one and then

4322
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:57,840
spending the whole weekend. I mean, I

4323
02:42:57,840 --> 02:42:59,760
honest six to 10 hours I spent of

4324
02:42:59,760 --> 02:43:02,640
reading. I feel like I know this this

4325
02:43:02,640 --> 02:43:05,040
salary ordinance back and forth, but it

4326
02:43:05,040 --> 02:43:07,439
goes back to, you know, you got to give

4327
02:43:07,439 --> 02:43:10,960
us some extra time, especially on and there's it's not just this one.

4328
02:43:10,960 --> 02:43:12,240
There's other ones that you guys drop

4329
02:43:12,240 --> 02:43:14,720
very close to the meeting for us to get

4330
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:16,479
our hands for us to make decisions on

4331
02:43:16,479 --> 02:43:17,680
this council. We need to have a little

4332
02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:19,840
bit more time and that's all I'm asking.

4333
02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:21,120
I'm not complaining. Whatever has

4334
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:23,359
happened is water under the bridge. It

4335
02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:26,640
rulings are rulings. However, that you

4336
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:29,359
got to give us more time to allow us to

4337
02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:31,600
read it cuz I I'm not going to ask for a

4338
02:43:31,600 --> 02:43:32,960
show of hands on this council of who

4339
02:43:32,960 --> 02:43:35,680
read it, but I was struggling to get

4340
02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:39,280
from my house to here to sit on this

4341
02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:41,760
deis for the closed session and read and

4342
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:44,960
digest everything in that second uh

4343
02:43:44,960 --> 02:43:47,359
confidential memo. I would ask that the

4344
02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:49,120
administration

4345
02:43:49,120 --> 02:43:50,880
when we go to outside counsel or we get

4346
02:43:50,880 --> 02:43:53,840
some kind of ruling uh or some feedback

4347
02:43:53,840 --> 02:43:56,160
that we kind of put a deadline in maybe

4348
02:43:56,160 --> 02:43:59,520
the day before because

4349
02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:03,040
it doesn't allow us as the people who

4350
02:44:03,040 --> 02:44:10,640
make decisions in this city on laws and certain outcomes by our votes that I

4351
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:12,560
don't have enough time in 27 minutes to

4352
02:44:12,560 --> 02:44:15,200
digest it and then make a decision. So

4353
02:44:15,200 --> 02:44:17,040
all I ask is in the future that we can

4354
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:18,960
have some kind of unless it's an

4355
02:44:18,960 --> 02:44:21,439
absolute emergency that this stuff is

4356
02:44:21,439 --> 02:44:24,399
released to us with ample time for us to

4357
02:44:24,399 --> 02:44:26,560
read so that we can better understand

4358
02:44:26,560 --> 02:44:29,359
and do our jobs better here. Thank you,

4359
02:44:29,359 --> 02:44:30,319
Council President.

4360
02:44:30,319 --> 02:44:31,200
>> Um

4361
02:44:31,200 --> 02:44:33,600
>> thank you, President. Uh just a a few

4362
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:36,240
things. First, I my in my practice of

4363
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:37,680
law, the attorney client privilege is

4364
02:44:37,680 --> 02:44:40,080
something that I deal with regularly.

4365
02:44:40,080 --> 02:44:42,000
And just with respect to Councilman

4366
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:44,080
President Zano about the privilege, it

4367
02:44:44,080 --> 02:44:46,479
doesn't need to be secret for it to be

4368
02:44:46,479 --> 02:44:48,640
privileged. The the the what is

4369
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:49,920
privileged or when there's a

4370
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:51,600
confidential request for legal advice

4371
02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:53,520
that's rendered,

4372
02:44:53,520 --> 02:44:55,520
the communications, the request for the

4373
02:44:55,520 --> 02:44:57,520
privilege is privileged and the response

4374
02:44:57,520 --> 02:45:00,160
is privileged and who can wave that

4375
02:45:00,160 --> 02:45:02,160
privilege as a question of law. And

4376
02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:04,160
today we got a memo and I happened to to

4377
02:45:04,160 --> 02:45:05,920
read it, but you know, I don't think it

4378
02:45:05,920 --> 02:45:07,439
really would matter too much for

4379
02:45:07,439 --> 02:45:09,359
tonight's meeting, but if you want to

4380
02:45:09,359 --> 02:45:10,800
follow up with me about it, I'm more

4381
02:45:10,800 --> 02:45:11,920
than happy to talk to you about the case

4382
02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:13,760
law. And because I I understood and I I

4383
02:45:13,760 --> 02:45:16,080
did read it on the path on the way out,

4384
02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:18,160
but it does not have to be like, you

4385
02:45:18,160 --> 02:45:20,240
know, the nuclear code,

4386
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:22,720
>> uh, you know, like the the Coca-Cola

4387
02:45:22,720 --> 02:45:23,920
formula

4388
02:45:23,920 --> 02:45:27,680
>> to be turning client privilege. If if if

4389
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:29,359
the council makes a request for legal

4390
02:45:29,359 --> 02:45:31,840
advice, it's rendered back. it needs to

4391
02:45:31,840 --> 02:45:35,120
be treated as confidential for uh the

4392
02:45:35,120 --> 02:45:36,479
sanctity of the attorney client

4393
02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:38,479
privilege itself. So that I just want to

4394
02:45:38,479 --> 02:45:38,960
say that.

4395
02:45:38,960 --> 02:45:39,600
>> Okay. Thank you.

4396
02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:41,279
>> Um

4397
02:45:41,279 --> 02:45:42,560
just want to follow up on one thing with

4398
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:44,800
respect to the Grove Street closure. Uh

4399
02:45:44,800 --> 02:45:47,600
it 5 months is a long time, but I just

4400
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:49,520
want to say with respect to Ruben and

4401
02:45:49,520 --> 02:45:51,920
the others uh on on your end of town,

4402
02:45:51,920 --> 02:45:55,760
Paul, uh when we had our meeting with uh

4403
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:57,439
the folks on Rebuild by Design, they

4404
02:45:57,439 --> 02:45:59,520
said that unlike like the Jersey Avenue

4405
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:00,960
closure where it was going to be for a

4406
02:46:00,960 --> 02:46:02,560
short period of time and it got longer

4407
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:05,279
and longer and longer. They feel pretty

4408
02:46:05,279 --> 02:46:07,760
confident that this time the five months

4409
02:46:07,760 --> 02:46:09,600
estimate is more realistic because they

4410
02:46:09,600 --> 02:46:11,439
did more test pitting before and they

4411
02:46:11,439 --> 02:46:14,560
found a lot of the uh I wouldn't call

4412
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:16,880
them booby traps, but the unknown things

4413
02:46:16,880 --> 02:46:18,880
that were underground that they didn't

4414
02:46:18,880 --> 02:46:21,040
find initially when they did the Jersey

4415
02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:23,359
Avenue closure that makes them feel more

4416
02:46:23,359 --> 02:46:25,120
confident that this estimate is actually

4417
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:27,439
realistic. So, it's a long time, but

4418
02:46:27,439 --> 02:46:29,840
they're not anticipating uh additional

4419
02:46:29,840 --> 02:46:33,120
delays. Um, and and ju just one thing I

4420
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:37,279
think just for my colleagues, I mean, I hear Councilman Russo's frustration

4421
02:46:37,279 --> 02:46:39,680
about uh about what he feels is

4422
02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:42,240
inconsistent advice, but I I really do

4423
02:46:42,240 --> 02:46:44,880
urge him and my colleagues to follow the

4424
02:46:44,880 --> 02:46:47,680
advice of our lawyer. I I think we found

4425
02:46:47,680 --> 02:46:49,600
out today on the on the ordinance that

4426
02:46:49,600 --> 02:46:51,520
we had to repeal because we didn't

4427
02:46:51,520 --> 02:46:53,600
listen to our corporation council that

4428
02:46:53,600 --> 02:46:55,920
it's a good idea to do that. And I'm not

4429
02:46:55,920 --> 02:46:58,000
saying it's not frustrating. I do, but I

4430
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:00,399
do think that there's a reason why we

4431
02:47:00,399 --> 02:47:02,160
have a corporation council and it's a

4432
02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:03,760
best practice to follow the advice of

4433
02:47:03,760 --> 02:47:10,800
our council. I just, you know, so I'm so so I just think that there there is

4434
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:14,080
>> there's risk that we take on

4435
02:47:14,080 --> 02:47:18,160
by not following our lawyer's advice and and I'm not saying you don't feel

4436
02:47:18,160 --> 02:47:20,319
agrieved and it's not legit. Okay? But

4437
02:47:20,319 --> 02:47:22,160
I'm just I just want to just kind of put

4438
02:47:22,160 --> 02:47:24,319
out there that there are reasons why

4439
02:47:24,319 --> 02:47:26,720
people hire lawyers. There's a reason

4440
02:47:26,720 --> 02:47:29,760
why people seek advice from counsel and

4441
02:47:29,760 --> 02:47:31,439
when they get that advice, it's

4442
02:47:31,439 --> 02:47:34,080
generally a best practice to follow

4443
02:47:34,080 --> 02:47:35,840
corporate advice and you're entitled to

4444
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:39,359
a full explanation and and and and trust

4445
02:47:39,359 --> 02:47:41,120
and it is possible that we might need to

4446
02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:42,960
go into a closed session for you to get

4447
02:47:42,960 --> 02:47:44,800
all the answers because it may be that

4448
02:47:44,800 --> 02:47:46,720
the answer is confidential. I I don't

4449
02:47:46,720 --> 02:47:50,000
know. But I I'm just I just Yeah,

4450
02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:51,760
>> the only reason I wanted it waved is so

4451
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:54,160
I could get a second opinion on that.

4452
02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:55,520
>> I understand. That's what I I wanted to

4453
02:47:55,520 --> 02:47:57,600
send to DCA and I wanted to send it to

4454
02:47:57,600 --> 02:47:59,439
the League of Municipalities so that I

4455
02:47:59,439 --> 02:48:01,680
could get an opinion on what that looks

4456
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:02,000
like.

4457
02:48:02,000 --> 02:48:03,120
>> And I don't think anyone's telling you

4458
02:48:03,120 --> 02:48:04,880
that you can't. I'm sorry.

4459
02:48:04,880 --> 02:48:06,080
>> I don't think anyone's telling you you

4460
02:48:06,080 --> 02:48:06,479
can't do that.

4461
02:48:06,479 --> 02:48:09,200
>> Of course. I How do I How do I refer to

4462
02:48:09,200 --> 02:48:10,960
a memo if it's confidential and I can't

4463
02:48:10,960 --> 02:48:11,920
share that with the League of

4464
02:48:11,920 --> 02:48:13,840
Municipalities or the DCA?

4465
02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:15,920
>> The the intent is not.

4466
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:18,240
>> But so then the other thing I just

4467
02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:21,279
wanted to say is uh one infrastructure

4468
02:48:21,279 --> 02:48:24,960
thing, your separate issue. Uh the 15th

4469
02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:27,760
street 15th and park parking garage is

4470
02:48:27,760 --> 02:48:31,760
open. Uh it is well used. It's well lit.

4471
02:48:31,760 --> 02:48:34,720
It's striped. Uh it hourly parking is

4472
02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:36,800
available for people who are have their

4473
02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:39,680
kids playing at the the fields over at

4474
02:48:39,680 --> 02:48:42,800
the 15th and 16th. Those leagues that

4475
02:48:42,800 --> 02:48:45,200
are out there. People are are enjoying

4476
02:48:45,200 --> 02:48:47,200
that lot. Uh and there's also I believe

4477
02:48:47,200 --> 02:48:48,640
there still may be some monthly spots

4478
02:48:48,640 --> 02:48:51,840
available. So, if you're you live uptown

4479
02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:54,160
and you're looking for a parking lot,

4480
02:48:54,160 --> 02:48:57,760
it's um $200 a month, which is below

4481
02:48:57,760 --> 02:49:00,720
market and uh revenues go to the city.

4482
02:49:00,720 --> 02:49:02,800
So, anyway, uh

4483
02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:03,600
>> they did a great

4484
02:49:03,600 --> 02:49:04,479
>> not yet.

4485
02:49:04,479 --> 02:49:06,240
>> They did a great job with that parking

4486
02:49:06,240 --> 02:49:06,479
lot.

4487
02:49:06,479 --> 02:49:07,760
>> We're taking our We're not yielding our

4488
02:49:07,760 --> 02:49:09,920
time yet.

4489
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:12,479
>> We're not Pat, we don't do that to you,

4490
02:49:12,479 --> 02:49:15,279
Pat. the the the one thing about being

4491
02:49:15,279 --> 02:49:17,840
on the city council a long time uh

4492
02:49:17,840 --> 02:49:20,160
benefit is that you've have the

4493
02:49:20,160 --> 02:49:21,680
privilege and the honor of seeing a lot

4494
02:49:21,680 --> 02:49:24,640
of things. So when I saw Councilman

4495
02:49:24,640 --> 02:49:27,040
Russo, I've seen it before and knew the

4496
02:49:27,040 --> 02:49:28,399
answer to the question already about

4497
02:49:28,399 --> 02:49:30,319
should it be allowed to the public with

4498
02:49:30,319 --> 02:49:31,920
attorney privilege being allowed or not

4499
02:49:31,920 --> 02:49:33,200
being allowed. We've had this question

4500
02:49:33,200 --> 02:49:35,120
answered before in the past, so I kind

4501
02:49:35,120 --> 02:49:37,760
of like already knew [snorts] uh where

4502
02:49:37,760 --> 02:49:39,520
that would lead to. So I just wanted to

4503
02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:40,880
avoid those situations, have this

4504
02:49:40,880 --> 02:49:43,200
conversation here tonight. uh open but

4505
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:46,800
not open and then move it forward from there how you want to get that

4506
02:49:46,800 --> 02:49:48,160
information the proper way the

4507
02:49:48,160 --> 02:49:49,520
municipality we got to do that together

4508
02:49:49,520 --> 02:49:51,520
we could do that but uh to have a

4509
02:49:51,520 --> 02:49:53,279
resolution out there where I've seen it

4510
02:49:53,279 --> 02:49:55,040
before with council we serve with other

4511
02:49:55,040 --> 02:49:56,479
council members council Mason had a lot

4512
02:49:56,479 --> 02:49:59,760
of things like this uh specifically so

4513
02:49:59,760 --> 02:50:04,000
we kind of knew where this was going or I knew how that was going just want

4514
02:50:04,000 --> 02:50:06,080
to like move that ahead and work with

4515
02:50:06,080 --> 02:50:07,520
you and everyone else whoever needs to

4516
02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:08,640
get to the right place so you have your

4517
02:50:08,640 --> 02:50:10,160
information and going in the right

4518
02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:12,399
direction and I just want to talk to

4519
02:50:12,399 --> 02:50:14,560
council Fischer mentioned it and

4520
02:50:14,560 --> 02:50:16,800
mentioned it. a little more tight up the

4521
02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:18,319
timelines when it's starting when it's

4522
02:50:18,319 --> 02:50:20,640
ending what work's happening in the next

4523
02:50:20,640 --> 02:50:22,960
I know council tus give me like a quick

4524
02:50:22,960 --> 02:50:24,640
two-minute synopsis if she can

4525
02:50:24,640 --> 02:50:26,240
>> at the Grove Street

4526
02:50:26,240 --> 02:50:28,880
>> Gonzalez will

4527
02:50:28,880 --> 02:50:31,840
uh yeah so ju just to start um obviously

4528
02:50:31,840 --> 02:50:33,600
there's a lot of construction in Hoboken

4529
02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:35,200
we have really tried to improve

4530
02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:38,000
information flow on that construction so

4531
02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:40,000
um for the latest and greatest updates I

4532
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:42,000
would encourage all of our uh residents

4533
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:43,680
to go to hoboken andj.gov/construction

4534
02:50:43,680 --> 02:50:46,000
/construction. You can get the latest on

4535
02:50:46,000 --> 02:50:49,040
a weekly basis. We update that um every

4536
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:51,200
Friday so that upcoming week you know

4537
02:50:51,200 --> 02:50:54,399
what's happening. Um Councilman Fischer

4538
02:50:54,399 --> 02:50:55,920
referenced the portal bridge

4539
02:50:55,920 --> 02:51:00,000
construction um that is slated to uh

4540
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:02,240
occur from October 11th through November

4541
02:51:02,240 --> 02:51:03,840
16th and it's just going to result in

4542
02:51:03,840 --> 02:51:05,680
additional volume in in Hoboken

4543
02:51:05,680 --> 02:51:09,359
Terminal. With regards to dates for um

4544
02:51:09,359 --> 02:51:11,200
Rebuild by Design and Grove Street,

4545
02:51:11,200 --> 02:51:13,920
again, this is very tentative because um

4546
02:51:13,920 --> 02:51:15,840
all dates are subject to change based on

4547
02:51:15,840 --> 02:51:18,399
weather. Um but at the current moment,

4548
02:51:18,399 --> 02:51:20,800
they are scheduled to start on October

4549
02:51:20,800 --> 02:51:23,120
13th. That would be actually a six-month

4550
02:51:23,120 --> 02:51:24,720
closure, just to clarify. I think 5

4551
02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:26,319
months was was said a few times tonight.

4552
02:51:26,319 --> 02:51:28,800
So, just it is a six-month closure. Um

4553
02:51:28,800 --> 02:51:31,760
there are a variety of um maintenance

4554
02:51:31,760 --> 02:51:33,200
and protection of traffic measures that

4555
02:51:33,200 --> 02:51:35,200
will be in place for that closure.

4556
02:51:35,200 --> 02:51:36,319
similar to Jersey app. We'll have

4557
02:51:36,319 --> 02:51:39,120
real-time monitoring of the uh traffic

4558
02:51:39,120 --> 02:51:41,439
conditions and we will uh adjust timing

4559
02:51:41,439 --> 02:51:46,319
as needed. Um in addition, we have uh

4560
02:51:46,319 --> 02:51:49,600
some good news on the um Hudson Place

4561
02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:51,920
front. Hudson Place is slated to open on

4562
02:51:51,920 --> 02:51:55,920
October 19th. Um however at the on that

4563
02:51:55,920 --> 02:51:58,080
same date um Hudson Street between

4564
02:51:58,080 --> 02:52:02,319
Observer Highway and uh uh Hudson Place

4565
02:52:02,319 --> 02:52:04,880
will close um for approximately a month

4566
02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:07,600
beginning on October 19th. Um in

4567
02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:09,600
addition, Jersey City is also slated to

4568
02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:12,160
pave uh Jersey Avenue between 14th and

4569
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:15,920
18th Street um overnight uh starting on

4570
02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:18,319
October 19th. Um that's a few nights of

4571
02:52:18,319 --> 02:52:21,760
work. So that's it in the south. Um and

4572
02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:23,760
then um I think a few council members

4573
02:52:23,760 --> 02:52:25,840
referenced Rebuild by Design uh and

4574
02:52:25,840 --> 02:52:27,600
their their closures. There was a

4575
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:29,359
Rebuild by Design meeting last week.

4576
02:52:29,359 --> 02:52:31,600
That presentation is available is uh

4577
02:52:31,600 --> 02:52:33,680
posted on their website and has much

4578
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:35,200
more information on the actual traffic

4579
02:52:35,200 --> 02:52:38,080
routing. Um and I think as as Councilman

4580
02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:40,960
Fischer noted, uh uh end of November is

4581
02:52:40,960 --> 02:52:43,040
hopefully the target for opening 14th

4582
02:52:43,040 --> 02:52:45,120
Street. So

4583
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:45,920
>> motion to close.

4584
02:52:45,920 --> 02:52:46,640
>> Appreciate it.

4585
02:52:46,640 --> 02:52:49,429
>> Thank you.

4586
02:52:49,439 --> 02:52:50,479
Good night everybody.

4587
02:52:50,479 --> 02:53:01,429
>> Everyone appreciate it. Thank you.

4588
02:53:01,439 --> 02:53:03,520
» You know what I say? Why do it two hours

4589
02:53:03,520 --> 02:53:13,429
when you can do it in three hours?

4590
02:53:13,439 --> 02:53:17,040
» Want to get dinner? Quiet.