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[0:31] » Call the roll, please.
[0:34] >> Mr. Con,
[0:35] >> here.
[0:37] >> Stone
[0:37] >> here.
[0:38] >> Fisher.
[0:39] >> Mrs. Zyish
[0:40] >> here. Yeah, I'm here.
[0:42] >> Thank you, Mr.
[0:43] >> President.
[0:46] » Mr. Russo
[0:48] >> President Ramos
[0:49] >> present.
[0:49] >> I saw it.
[0:50] >> I apologize for the meeting start a
[0:52] couple minutes late. We were in close
[0:54] session up until 7:00. We wanted to give
[0:55] everyone the opportunity to sign in and
[0:58] to get settled in the chambers before we
[1:00] start the meeting.
[1:02] >> The uh first two ordinances are being
[1:05] carried to uh the October 21st uh
[1:09] council meeting. Correct.
[1:11] >> Uh hearing on a bond ordinance
[1:13] authorizing completion of various
[1:14] capital improvements. Where is that?
[1:16] >> The acquisition of various capital
[1:18] equipment including public art
[1:19] acquisition in installation capital
[1:22] facility improvements allocations
[1:25] related to to and for the city of Hobok
[1:28] and county of Hudson, New Jersey.
[1:31] appropriating the sum of $2,200,000.
[1:34] Therefore, authorizing the issuance of
[1:36] general obligation bond or bond
[1:38] anticipation notes for the city of
[1:40] Hoboken of Hudson County, New Jersey
[1:43] aggregate principal amount of up to
[1:45] $2,200,000
[1:47] making certain determinations and
[1:49] covenants and authorizing
[1:52] uh related to actions to connections for
[1:54] the foregoing.
[1:57] Uh Pat Waiters J7 J78.
[2:02] >> Okay, thank you. Uh Manuel Vera Solair
[2:05] J78.
[2:18] » Good evening, Council President, members
[2:20] of the council, members of the public.
[2:22] Manuel Rivera. Council President, I'm
[2:25] rising to speak again on this uh
[2:28] ordinance because it wasn't clear last
[2:30] meeting when I asked the questions and
[2:33] they were um conversations amongst
[2:35] yourselves and you I guess moved it to
[2:39] this meeting. Again, the uh question
[2:42] still stands, council president, and I
[2:44] know um I believe you assumed that I
[2:47] broke the rules last meeting. I did not.
[2:49] Uh there is an exception if there was
[2:51] something missing in my statement. Uh
[2:54] again, nothing personal. Again, I just
[2:58] want to say, council president, I
[2:59] understand that the municipal
[3:01] municipalities need to borrow for major
[3:05] capital projects and I am not suggesting
[3:08] that every bond is unnecessary. But when
[3:12] we're asking residents to support
[3:15] millions of dollars in additional
[3:16] obligations, I believe the public
[3:19] deserves a clear understanding,
[3:22] what we are
[3:24] buying and investing in, why we need it,
[3:29] why it why it cannot wait, and what will
[3:34] it ultimately cost
[3:37] for future budgets. Council President, I did ask the question last um meeting.
[3:43] No one answered. Meaning, what is what
[3:47] equipment and what is being purchased in
[3:49] this bond? Can this bond
[3:53] be left aside? And can the Hoboken
[3:56] parking authority buy these equipments
[3:58] outright with their funds or is that's
[4:01] not the way it works? Can members of the
[4:02] public understand what is the procedure
[4:04] and the reasoning behind the bond and
[4:07] for what purpose are you purchasing
[4:10] these equipments? And with that, Council
[4:12] President, I will yield back cuz my
[4:14] statement stands. Thank you,
[4:16] >> motion to close the public session.
[4:18] >> Motion second.
[4:19] >> All in favor?
[4:20] >> I.
[4:20] >> Yeah. Uh Manny, it's $2.2 million. 1
[4:24] million of which will be to replace two
[4:26] hop shuttles. I think we all uh really
[4:30] value the hop program. And the other 1.2
[4:34] million is for a 5-year curb management
[4:37] program which includes uh wayfinding
[4:39] systems, uh smart loading zones, digital
[4:42] parking guidance, and automated
[4:44] enforcement for our city vehicles. So
[4:47] that's the totality of the 2.2 million.
[4:50] Am
[4:50] >> I miss?
[4:50] >> Yeah. No, no, it's fine. I think when we
[4:52] have questions, we should ask Dr. Sharp
[4:55] >> Manny. All right. So members of the
[4:57] council, open it up to you guys.
[5:00] Counciloman
[5:00] >> Fischer. Yeah, I mean I if if Director
[5:02] Sharp can come and articulate more of
[5:04] the 1.2 million um relating to curbside
[5:08] management, which is, you know, a little
[5:11] bit of a prickly subject
[5:13] >> so [snorts] we understand what it is
[5:14] exactly.
[5:16] >> Yeah. Good evening, council. Uh so the
[5:18] 1.2 million for the curb management
[5:20] technology, and that's what we're
[5:21] calling it because it's a package of of
[5:23] goods, right? Uh so the the main
[5:25] component there is purchasing uh cameras
[5:28] that will be able to uh uh implement a a
[5:31] smart loading zone program. Right? So
[5:33] we're trying to solve for those ultra
[5:35] short-term pickup and drop off and food
[5:38] delivery type trips in our business
[5:40] districts that are among the most
[5:41] difficult curb management challenges
[5:43] that we have today and have had for a
[5:44] long time.
[5:46] uh we've spoken to a lot of businesses
[5:48] and the percentage of if you're a
[5:51] restaurant the percentage of your orders
[5:54] uh has skyrocketed in recent years. So
[5:56] uh some businesses are now 65 70% of
[5:59] their total business through uh food
[6:02] delivery apps and things like that that
[6:04] require that quick uh pickup and drop
[6:06] off type activity. Uh so smart loading
[6:09] zone technology which this bond would
[6:11] help fund is revenue generating in
[6:13] nature. So uh that is a positive
[6:15] component of this as well. It's a
[6:17] secondary benefit to the curb management
[6:18] improvement. Uh and basically these
[6:21] cameras would uh be facing loading zones
[6:25] and council would have the opportunity
[6:28] uh after this is adopted to set the
[6:30] rules of the program. Right? So this is
[6:31] not it. Right? There's an opportunity to
[6:34] meet with subcommittee to [snorts] go
[6:36] over what the the fee structure would be
[6:38] for the smart loading zones. Right?
[6:39] There is a fee basically per minute. You
[6:42] can have a grace period for however long
[6:44] you want to have it. Uh, and you can
[6:47] have a graduated pricing of only a few
[6:48] cents per minute. Other cities have been
[6:51] using this technology. Fort Lee has been
[6:53] using it quite widely uh, in New Jersey.
[6:56] Uh, Pittsburgh has used it extensively.
[6:58] Pretty much every new loading zone that
[6:59] they uh, have uh, uses a smart loading
[7:02] zone uh, set of technologies similar to
[7:04] what we would be using for this program.
[7:06] Uh the second part of the bond package
[7:09] includes wayfinding technology which is
[7:11] indirectly uh revenue generating. The
[7:15] purpose of that is to basically take the
[7:17] data that we currently have uh in each
[7:19] of the city's parking garages, right?
[7:21] That's garage B and garage D and Midtown
[7:24] garage. Those are the three that have
[7:25] daily parking uh access available to
[7:28] customers. We have real time data right
[7:30] now on the utilization of those garages.
[7:32] So we know at any given time how many
[7:34] spaces are available in each one of
[7:36] them. And one of our biggest curve
[7:38] management challenges as well has been
[7:40] to direct people to our off- streetet
[7:43] parking. Right? So we often have plenty
[7:46] of parking available uh in these garages
[7:49] especially during uh you know peak
[7:51] periods when a lot of people are
[7:52] visiting Hoboken for example right now
[7:54] during uh the the evening period for
[7:56] dinner and things like that. but they
[7:59] may not know where the garages are
[8:00] unless they are uh you know proactively
[8:03] mapping that before they they try to
[8:05] come to Hoboken. This would be an
[8:07] opportunity to have signage, digital
[8:09] signage that updates in real time that
[8:11] could be uh posted at gateways to the
[8:13] city or gateways to our business
[8:15] districts that could inform people how
[8:18] many parking spaces are available uh in
[8:20] our garages. And it actually has the
[8:22] option to include uh tech for sensors
[8:26] that would uh do the same thing for on
[8:28] street parking as well. So for example,
[8:30] you could be coming into Hope Oak and
[8:31] you can make a turn on Washington Street
[8:33] and you could be greeted with a sign
[8:36] that tells you that there's X number of
[8:38] parking spaces available on this block.
[8:40] And then at the next block, uh if
[8:42] there's no parking available because it
[8:44] said zero, then it would direct you to
[8:46] garage B and it would tell you there's
[8:48] 224 spaces at that garage. So, uh,
[8:52] that's a sample of what this could
[8:53] potentially pay for. Uh, that's what we
[8:55] priced out. Uh, and then for for the
[8:58] other part of it, it's the it's the hot
[9:00] buses that you guys mentioned before.
[9:02] >> The hot buses, right?
[9:04] >> Um,
[9:06] >> so one of uh, so a couple different
[9:08] things. One is I think we've
[9:11] agreed that on a go forward basis, the
[9:13] bond discussion doesn't sit in finance,
[9:15] it sits in the group because we didn't
[9:17] talk about these in the transportation.
[9:19] Um, we didn't really talk about it in
[9:21] the finance either. I'm on both of them.
[9:24] Um, the
[9:27] uh it it feels a little like it's the
[9:31] cart coming before the horse on the um
[9:36] the loading zones. I mean, it's
[9:37] something we've talked about this at
[9:39] length. We all looked back at the, you
[9:41] know, the infamous um meeting from a
[9:44] year and a half ago, May, where we
[9:45] talked at length about smart loading
[9:47] zones. And I think we were all except
[9:50] for Reuben, everyone else wanted smart
[9:52] uh loading zones.
[9:54] >> I I I was okay with smart loading zone,
[9:55] but the roll out in education was
[9:57] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just giving you a hard
[9:58] time. Um but the
[10:00] >> I like what I wouldn't what I wouldn't
[10:03] want to do is have you walk away from
[10:07] here and order these cameras when we in
[10:10] fact haven't even approved an ordinance
[10:13] yet. Right. like it's uh it's something
[10:15] I think we all want to do, but we had a very robust discussion about what do
[10:20] we charge? You know, my if I recall
[10:22] correctly, Councilman Russo is like, you
[10:24] know, these should be free the first 15
[10:25] minutes. We shouldn't be charging, you
[10:27] know, people for stops. So, like I think
[10:29] we still have to have a robust
[10:31] conversation on what they look like, but
[10:33] I think we want them. we just don't want
[10:36] you to go and buy these cameras, you
[10:39] know, until and I would also say um
[10:44] I, you know, cameras are a tricky thing
[10:47] in Hoboken right now, right? And um the
[10:50] idea of kind of tracking parking spots I
[10:53] think is a good thing. Um, I think we
[10:56] always need to rethink about um, cameras
[10:58] because we get a lot of feedback, but in
[11:00] terms of the cost of something like
[11:02] parking, I mean, you and I have had
[11:03] conversations for probably six years
[11:05] about the HBA partnering with us because
[11:07] a lot of it a lot of it is really plenty
[11:10] to support residents who live here and
[11:12] have visitors, but a lot of it really is
[11:15] to, you know, dispel the notion that
[11:19] Hoboken doesn't have parking, right?
[11:20] People don't have any idea that we have
[11:22] parking garages and having wayfinding. I
[11:24] mean, this is an HBA conversation four
[11:27] years ago, five years ago. So, where is
[11:29] the HBA in this conversation to help,
[11:32] you know, cover the cost of this, which
[11:34] is really something that supports our
[11:35] businesses?
[11:37] >> That was a question, the second part.
[11:39] Sorry.
[11:40] >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean certainly HBA will be
[11:42] an important partner, but there are many
[11:44] different things whether it's uh
[11:46] expanding public transit or whether it's
[11:48] curb management technology or whether
[11:50] it's streetscape improvements, uh you
[11:53] know, managing Hudson Place and our new
[11:54] plaza there. There are so many different
[11:56] things that uh we we need help from HBA
[12:00] on, but we can't have them pay for all
[12:02] of it, right? So, I think we need to be
[12:04] strategic about uh which things the city
[12:06] takes on and which things the HBA takes
[12:08] on. And uh to me at least this feels
[12:11] like it's more in in the city camp um
[12:15] we're in negotiation negotiations with
[12:17] him on other things. Right. So
[12:18] >> and and is the is the wayfinding I mean
[12:21] are you connecting with the private
[12:23] garages? So when someone comes in it's
[12:25] not just the public garages, it's the
[12:28] private garages and the empty spots
[12:29] there.
[12:30] >> That would be a goal of this plan,
[12:32] right? Uh we would want to do both,
[12:34] right? Initially, the first sign or two
[12:37] that goes up, we would want to
[12:38] prioritize our public garages, right?
[12:40] But then uh if proven success,
[12:42] >> I I I literally disagree with that.
[12:44] Okay. I think it Well, it's just my
[12:47] view. I know we're trying to find like
[12:49] our own revenue, but like strategically
[12:51] for the city, having a master approach
[12:55] to parking is what helps everyone in the
[12:58] city. It brings more people here when
[13:00] they know all of the parking, not just
[13:01] the city parking. like we we have to
[13:03] think outside of our tiny little silo
[13:06] and think more, you know, like citywide.
[13:09] So, it it it shouldn't just be
[13:12] >> I don't think it should be what
[13:13] >> it definitely won't just be that. I was
[13:14] just saying that we're ramping up,
[13:17] right? So, if you can afford a certain
[13:20] number of signs to begin with, you know,
[13:23] we can talk about that. Like, where
[13:24] should we prioritize them? That's fine.
[13:26] Um, you know, there's nothing set in
[13:28] stone there. But,
[13:30] >> it's not just where the signs are. It's
[13:32] like what [clears throat] are we
[13:33] counting? Are we just counting public
[13:35] spaces or are we counting private
[13:37] garages as well? So like in in the
[13:40] north, right, we always talk about this.
[13:41] There's only there there's no public
[13:43] garages yet in the north. So we're going
[13:45] to tell people coming in, you know, that
[13:47] there's parking spaces, garage B all the
[13:49] way down. We'll have some wayf finding
[13:50] signs. Well, why not connect with the
[13:52] Laz garage at 1450 Bloomfield and see if
[13:55] they have a way to count and and and
[13:57] know how many available spaces are there
[13:59] as well. So if someone's coming up town,
[14:01] they know that they can get to a parking
[14:03] garage up
[14:04] >> opportunity too for us.
[14:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
[14:08] >> Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. It just it seems it it I and and everything I'm
[14:14] saying here is conversations we've had
[14:15] over the years. This isn't new. I just I
[14:18] think the approach to parking in Hoboken
[14:20] should be a list holistic citywide. You
[14:22] should be able to go on a parking app
[14:23] and see all the parking garages in
[14:25] Hoboken. Like when we want we want
[14:26] people like we're you know third ward,
[14:28] right? Third ward completely missed in
[14:31] this. Second ward, fifth ward completely
[14:33] missed in this. And we want people to
[14:35] come in and know where all of the
[14:37] garages are that have daily parking. So
[14:39] they can go in the fifth ward, they can
[14:40] go in the third ward, they can go in the
[14:42] fourth ward, right? Like you the they're
[14:45] all concentrated in like the the first
[14:47] and sixth wel helpful and it's not
[14:49] helpful to spend money on something that
[14:51] is just for that especially when it's
[14:53] geared towards the businesses and
[14:54] they're not paying.
[14:55] >> I mean I want to support you.
[14:57] >> Anyone else?
[14:58] >> Yeah.
[14:59] That's what President Thank you. Sorry.
[15:01] >> So,
[15:04] » I have a question. What happened to all
[15:05] the money we spent on the cameras for
[15:07] the failed Clear program and now we're
[15:10] going to buy more cameras, right?
[15:11] Because I think we bought money with
[15:13] Clear. Correct me if I'm wrong.
[15:14] >> Buy more.
[15:15] >> I mean, they're not connected, but you
[15:17] can potentially repurpose some of those
[15:19] cameras. Uh, but
[15:21] >> it's a different program. So, the smart
[15:23] loading zones, it's totally different
[15:25] from automated enforcement of bike.
[15:27] Didn't we use the clear program? It was
[15:29] sold past administration. You weren't
[15:32] here. You are cleaning up a mess.
[15:35] But we were told data from those cameras
[15:38] that they used that the cameras we have
[15:40] set up right now can do the same thing
[15:42] that potentially we're buying again or
[15:45] on a different
[15:47] there's a cost associated with keeping
[15:49] the cameras, right? So there's uh
[15:52] cellular connectivity, right? There's
[15:54] merchant processing fees. there's a cost
[15:56] of the hardware itself, right? So those
[15:59] cameras for a different purpose has a
[16:02] different scope in terms of what they
[16:04] can see and where they're positioned and
[16:05] so forth that would be different from a
[16:07] smart loading zone program where you
[16:09] have cameras that are targeting loading
[16:10] zones specifically, right? So there's a
[16:12] difference between the two. I get that.
[16:15] But these things were giving us data. We
[16:18] have the cameras already pos again. I'm
[16:20] just going to say we're double we're
[16:21] buying seconds of cameras. It's another
[16:24] system. I get it. Um, I think before we
[16:26] do any of this,
[16:28] uh, I think we should explore the fact
[16:31] that our loading zones aren't big
[16:32] enough. So before we go get a plan
[16:34] going, we either have to remove every
[16:37] parklet off Washington Street or in my
[16:39] ward because a lot of the loading zones
[16:42] butt into it and majority of the
[16:44] deliveries now due to the cost of
[16:45] inflation have tractor trailers coming
[16:48] into town. And you and I can stand on a
[16:50] quarter, we can watch it. And we saw it
[16:52] at at Hudson Place, right? problem. They
[16:54] couldn't get They're not getting little
[16:55] vans anymore. Our loading zones aren't
[16:57] big enough. Our bus stops are way too
[16:59] big. So, I know we've There was some
[17:01] talk about the Kimley Horn study and the
[17:03] thing that maybe repurpose them during
[17:04] different times, but unfortunately, bus
[17:06] stops and deliveries are probably the
[17:08] same times in the morning when we're
[17:10] busy. So, we can't do that. But I know
[17:12] on Washington Street,
[17:14] our loading zones are impossible. You're
[17:16] lucky to find one for a tractor trailer
[17:18] to pull up. And with the with the
[17:21] increase in big box chains coming into
[17:24] Hoboken, it's all 18 wheelers or you
[17:27] know something along those semis coming
[17:29] in. So before I would before I can give
[17:33] you my backing on this, we should be
[17:35] studying that or fixing that first and
[17:37] then going into doing this because if
[17:39] we're going to just buy cameras and
[17:41] we're just going to go put them into the
[17:42] loading zones we have now, that's not
[17:44] going to do anything but penalize cars.
[17:46] Just the four-wheel cars. the big trucks
[17:49] are just going to double park no matter
[17:50] what because they have no place to go.
[17:52] They can't go to a parking garage. So I
[17:55] also am in concerned here is because we
[17:58] don't I haven't seen a plan at least in
[18:00] our committee. I mean the three of us
[18:01] sit here we haven't seen a plan for
[18:03] this. I mean I would hope that before we
[18:06] bond for something we can see the plan.
[18:08] Now we've read the I'm I'm struggling to
[18:11] get through the full Kimley horn. I'm
[18:13] still going through it because I want to
[18:14] look at the details of it. However, you
[18:17] know, again, I'll use what Councilwoman
[18:19] Fischer said, the cart before the horse.
[18:21] We don't even I don't even know what
[18:22] you're doing with this money other than
[18:24] buying cameras. And the fact that we
[18:26] have a problem with the loading zones
[18:27] being too small, that's the first
[18:29] problem we should solve. Do we make one
[18:32] side of the street from 8 to two all
[18:34] loading zones and we get rid of pay
[18:36] parking? You know, I don't know. We've
[18:37] talked about this. You know, we tried it
[18:39] in front of city hall. Works pretty
[18:41] well. Fortunately, that's now under this
[18:43] plan or this idea would become pay zones
[18:45] potentially. But my question is I
[18:48] haven't seen the plan for this and
[18:50] you're asking me to vote for this. And
[18:52] again, not you. The the administration
[18:54] is asking me to vote for this. I haven't
[18:55] seen the plan for this like how this is
[18:58] going to work. And then I also haven't
[18:59] seen a revenue number plan. We say in
[19:02] here that it's going to increase
[19:03] revenue. Okay,
[19:04] >> we don't know that yet.
[19:05] >> When? How much? Like I have none none of
[19:08] the details in behind it. Maybe I should
[19:11] have asked this before in the in the
[19:12] time frame, but there was a lot of stuff
[19:13] that I've been going through with the
[19:14] Kimley Horn reading that since we had
[19:16] our meeting uh and this kind of fell by
[19:18] the wayside a little bit, but these are
[19:20] the type of things it sounds like you're
[19:22] going to have the votes to pass this
[19:24] unfortunately because it's bonded with
[19:25] the hot buses. But it leaves a lot of
[19:27] questions to me on if we're going to put
[19:29] something forward after we learn from
[19:30] the clear program at the clear debacle
[19:33] of that that if if I'm to get behind
[19:36] something, which I'm okay to get behind
[19:38] the loading zones, but I just think we
[19:40] need to make the we need to think about
[19:41] the loading zones before we vote for it.
[19:44] Like we have to fix the problem first
[19:46] and then you could put the cameras in
[19:48] because we put two cameras in, let's
[19:49] say, for a loading or one for a loading
[19:51] zone
[19:53] >> and it's just local cars. I mean, you
[19:57] know, I'm struggling. I just don't see
[19:58] the whole plan here. I'm just getting
[20:00] by. You're asking me to vote for
[20:02] something. The 1.2 million, I'm happy to
[20:04] do the hot buses, but the 1.2 I'm not
[20:06] comfortable yet with.
[20:07] >> Councilman Buso.
[20:08] >> Thank you, Council President.
[20:10] I just want to say buyer beware. Right.
[20:12] Um,
[20:15] it goes to Councilwoman Fischer,
[20:16] Councilman President Donald's point
[20:18] about putting the court before the
[20:19] horse.
[20:20] the last administration and now this
[20:22] administration. Quite frankly, director,
[20:24] you were here for both of those. You
[20:27] used a funding mechanism mechanism to
[20:30] implement
[20:31] a change in our roadway on Grand Street.
[20:35] So, I am skeptical
[20:38] about voting on any types of funding
[20:41] mechanisms without having the full clear
[20:43] plan in front of me because I don't want
[20:46] to wind up in the same situation where
[20:48] we voted for a contract for somebody or
[20:50] we voted for a bonding for something and
[20:53] then all of a sudden the administration
[20:54] is going to use that as a mechanism to
[20:59] implement things that this council did
[21:00] not vote on.
[21:02] That's that's scary for me. I don't
[21:05] think we should be doing that. I think
[21:06] if we're going to ask for funding, I
[21:10] think we should be presented with a full
[21:12] plan of what that funding is going to be
[21:14] used for. There's a lot of uh you know,
[21:16] I I like to see that as the second part
[21:19] of this, incorporating that into private
[21:21] garages. Great, but we don't have that,
[21:22] right? Well, that's part of the plan
[21:24] into the future. Well, great. We don't
[21:26] have that. So for me, I I'd like to
[21:29] start seeing these bonds, the these
[21:32] contracts. Like to start seeing all of
[21:35] the potential work
[21:38] in front of us before we actually vote
[21:41] on it. I I just can't see voting for
[21:43] something that there there's a what if
[21:45] or maybe, right? Or yeah, we have a
[21:47] great plan to do this and then all of a
[21:49] sudden something doesn't come back
[21:51] before the council and we as a council
[21:54] now have to backtrack, right? like on
[21:56] the clear program or the Grand Street
[21:57] pilot, right? Like all of that stuff. So
[22:00] I I think that's problematic. Um so I'm
[22:03] not going to be supporting this tonight.
[22:04] Uh if you come back with a different
[22:06] bond for uh hot buses, I'd be more than
[22:08] happy to support that, but in its
[22:10] totality, I just can't support it all.
[22:12] Councilman Imus.
[22:14] >> Um I just had a question about um again
[22:17] like I I agree that putting the requests
[22:20] for the funds ahead of the plan is is
[22:23] definitely not the way I would have
[22:25] preferred to have seen this come
[22:26] through. Um I am a big supporter of
[22:30] using technology and using the whole
[22:33] concept of smart loading zones to lessen
[22:37] the congestion we have on Washington
[22:40] Street. Um, I I I think that's a really
[22:44] great goal. Um, but I guess my question
[22:47] to you is is if if we pass this bond and
[22:51] then
[22:52] don't we still have to vote on the rules
[22:55] of engagement for it?
[22:56] >> Yes.
[22:57] >> So, so like I I'm I'm sitting here
[23:00] thinking, well, I don't know that that
[23:02] could like how are you going to
[23:03] implement a plan without us voting on an
[23:06] ordinance that says,
[23:08] >> okay, uh, we're allowed to do this with
[23:10] our loading zones or we're going to
[23:12] create two on each side of Washington
[23:16] Street, two loading zone spots that are
[23:18] only to be used for cars and we're going
[23:20] to charge a minimal amount by the minute
[23:22] or so. So So that that is my question
[23:24] because I would not be s if I knew that
[23:28] you could just go off and make a plan
[23:30] with the $1.2 million and not go back
[23:32] and ask or develop a plan that makes
[23:34] sense or really work with residents who
[23:37] know how this goes, right? I would not
[23:40] support it but I think you know um I am
[23:43] supportive of the concept. So Councilman
[23:46] Cohen.
[23:46] >> Thank um two things obviously well my
[23:51] other council colleagues have mentioned
[23:52] this but there are two aspects to this
[23:54] bond. The first is to replace two aged
[23:57] hop shuttle buses uh that have more than
[24:00] 12 years old with more than 150,000
[24:02] miles on each of them. The goal is to
[24:04] replace them with electric vehicles.
[24:06] there's a lead time for electric
[24:07] vehicles to need to be ordered. I think
[24:10] my colleagues all seem supportive of
[24:12] that and that's half the bond which is
[24:14] important with respect to the uh uh
[24:17] installation of curbside management,
[24:19] parking wayinding systems. Uh just you
[24:23] know I generally agree with what
[24:25] councilwoman has said. I I think that
[24:26] there's a lot of promises technology. I
[24:29] reject the additive of debacle with
[24:31] respect to the clear program. I I think
[24:33] that it was poorly rolled out,
[24:36] >> but the technology itself
[24:39] worked. Uh, you know, I rode on my bike
[24:42] down 11th Street and I never once had to
[24:45] go into Washington Street because cars
[24:46] were not double parked in the bike
[24:48] lanes. The technology is proven. It
[24:50] worked. It generates real revenues for
[24:52] the city. So, I think we have a proof of
[24:54] concept that shows that this technology
[24:57] does create real revenues for the city.
[24:59] We need to find additional sources for
[25:00] revenues. the technologies available.
[25:02] We've seen it work. We obviously could
[25:05] and should roll it out better and I hope
[25:06] that we do. Uh and I look forward to
[25:08] that. But uh I think that it was a
[25:11] success. It just should have been rolled
[25:13] out better. So I'm fully supportive and
[25:16] uh thanks.
[25:19] Um yeah, I'm [clears throat] also
[25:20] supportive of this and just kind of to
[25:22] talk about the concerns of some of the
[25:24] members on the council with respect to
[25:27] um
[25:28] concerns about not having a plan,
[25:30] concerns about a bait and switch for
[25:32] lack of a better word. Uh based on past
[25:34] experiences, I understand kind of those
[25:36] concerns.
[25:37] um I balance, you know, between trying
[25:42] to kind of think of everything before we
[25:44] start moving forward, having the uh
[25:47] perfect be the enemy be the good in some
[25:49] instances. We're looking to position
[25:51] ourselves to act as quickly as possible.
[25:54] Um
[25:56] and the my experience on this council
[25:58] over the past 10 months with this
[26:01] administration and I would hope that experience shared by by all of us
[26:06] uh say that you know the current
[26:08] administration is not acting uh in the
[26:11] same way that the prior administration
[26:13] has. They've been very collaborative
[26:14] whether it's budget, whether it's other
[26:16] things and been very uh transparent in
[26:20] and engaging uh with all members of this
[26:22] council and in you know all almost every
[26:25] material respect. So, I would expect for
[26:29] that to to follow suit. And so, I'm okay
[26:32] moving forward in this fashion now
[26:33] because I think, you know, the the we
[26:37] have the receipts that this
[26:38] administration acts differently. Uh this
[26:41] council acts differently with each other
[26:43] because we're we're far more
[26:44] collaborative. I think it's just a more
[26:45] much more positive experience. So I
[26:47] would like to position us ourselves to act quickly uh to put in those uh
[26:53] parking improvements that facilitation
[26:55] uh enforcement and potential for
[26:57] revenue. So I hope everyone joins me in supporting those and of course I too
[27:02] love the hot buses.
[27:04] >> Any other members of council?
[27:06] >> Yeah, I for me like I did not support
[27:09] the cameras not because I was a genius
[27:11] or anything like that. is because I had
[27:13] zero faith in what the roll out or
[27:16] implementation would look like. Uh here
[27:19] I feel a lot differently. I think this
[27:23] cannot be rolled out unless we have the
[27:26] fee structure in place that we work on
[27:27] behind the scenes. Uh it cannot be
[27:30] rolled out unless we finalize what that
[27:33] looks like and where it's be implemented
[27:35] throughout the city. That cannot happen.
[27:37] Uh then we need to educate the public,
[27:41] not two days beforehand with a press
[27:43] release, but a real education program
[27:46] that took place in all those other
[27:47] cities that you mentioned before they
[27:48] rolled the program out and what's
[27:50] happening now throughout the state where
[27:51] they're using camera sticks as opposed
[27:53] to cameras on top of uh on top of
[27:55] traffic signals. And so those four
[27:58] things need to happen. They just can't
[28:01] go buy the cameras or invest in those
[28:03] things. Uh, I think because we've I was
[28:05] on the transportation committee before
[28:07] and those are all positive things,
[28:10] right? Cameras in the loading zones,
[28:11] moving vehicles as as we go, giving
[28:13] people opportunity to run in and out.
[28:15] Uh, I wasn't in favor of of the gotcha
[28:18] uh portion wi-i which which every
[28:21] resident felt like it was. Uh, it should
[28:24] be pro business because allowing more
[28:26] residents and outsiders to park on
[28:30] Washington Street a lot easier knowing
[28:31] where it is and the the signage needs to
[28:33] be clear when we do that. So, those
[28:36] things need to happen and a vote needs
[28:38] to happen. Every single one of those
[28:40] things along the way, which did not
[28:42] happen on Grand Street, we were promised
[28:44] that. It did not happen on Washington
[28:46] Street. We were promised that. So, all
[28:49] of those things need to happen here. So
[28:52] that's that's the only reason well I'll
[28:54] support this tonight because those steps
[28:56] need to happen or else it's not gonna be
[28:57] on the agenda at all. And I
[28:59] >> just a really quick question when when
[29:01] would we expect to have an ordinance for
[29:04] the loading zones for us to consider
[29:08] [snorts]
[29:08] >> hopefully by the end of the year. I mean
[29:11] >> there's a lot of work to do for it. But
[29:13] uh if this is passed tonight we would
[29:15] immediately work with you know a vendor
[29:17] to give you a presentation in committee.
[29:19] >> Yeah I say
[29:20] >> before you get to
[29:21] And then even when the ordinance is
[29:23] here, it should not be here. It should
[29:26] be in committee. It should be discussed
[29:28] with all the council members. It just
[29:29] should be like showing up here on
[29:31] December whatever that date is.
[29:32] >> Yeah.
[29:33] >> Everyone should know what's going on
[29:34] unlike uh the last time.
[29:36] >> This will definitely be an open and
[29:37] collaborative process. It's critical. We
[29:39] honestly it won't work well without
[29:41] that. And we really want this to work.
[29:44] >> So the upside is tremendous. I uh
[29:49] >> call the vote con
[29:52] >> I
[29:54] stone.
[29:54] >> Yes.
[29:55] >> M. Fisher.
[29:56] >> Yes.
[29:57] >> Mrs. Imus.
[29:58] >> Yes.
[29:59] >> Mrs. L.
[30:00] >> Yes.
[30:01] >> Mr. Presidento.
[30:02] >> No.
[30:03] >> Mr. Cano.
[30:04] >> Hi.
[30:08] » Mr. Russo.
[30:09] >> No.
[30:10] >> President Ramos.
[30:11] >> Hi.
[30:13] have a hearing on an ordinance amending
[30:15] the redevelopment plan for the Northwest
[30:17] >> I'm sorry before you uh uh ordinance
[30:19] number seven is also off the agenda this
[30:22] evening. Uh J85 was also carried. You
[30:26] mentioned the first two ordinances.
[30:27] >> Uh you didn't mention uh
[30:30] J85 is also carried. Just wanted to say
[30:32] that. I apologize. Thank you.
[30:34] >> On an ordinance amending the
[30:35] redevelopment plan for the Northwest
[30:38] Industrial Redevelopment Area.
[30:41] >> Motion to close public hearing.
[30:42] >> Motion. All in favor?
[30:43] >> I councel
[30:47] >> call the vote.
[30:48] >> Mr. Con.
[30:49] >> Hi.
[30:50] >> Firestone.
[30:50] >> Yes.
[30:51] >> Fisher.
[30:52] >> Yes.
[30:52] >> Mr. Zyus.
[30:53] >> Yes.
[30:54] >> Slation.
[30:55] >> President.
[30:56] >> Hi.
[30:57] >> Cano.
[30:58] >> Hi.
[30:58] >> Mr. Russo.
[31:00] >> Hi.
[31:00] >> President Ramos.
[31:01] >> I. Hearing on an ordinance amending
[31:03] chapter 190 implement various curbside
[31:07] changes along 13th Street between
[31:09] Washington Street and Willow Avenue and
[31:12] Third Street between Hudson Street and
[31:14] River Street. Um motion to close public
[31:17] hearing.
[31:17] >> Motion second.
[31:18] >> Cler call a vote.
[31:20] >> Mr. Con.
[31:21] >> Wstone.
[31:22] >> Yes. Fisher.
[31:24] >> Yes.
[31:24] >> Mr. Zyus.
[31:26] >> Yes. Mr.
[31:26] >> Leano.
[31:28] Hi. Mr. Canero. Hi.
[31:30] >> Mr. Russo. Hi. President Ramos. Hi.
[31:38] Hearing on an ordinance amending chapter
[31:40] 190-11 entitled loading zones to add
[31:44] loading zone to Jefferson Street and
[31:46] adjust a loading zone on Clinton Street.
[31:50] Uh motion to close public hearing.
[31:52] >> Motion.
[31:53] >> Second. All in favor?
[31:55] >> I.
[31:56] >> Uh Mr. Clerk, call the vote.
[31:58] >> Mr. Con?
[31:59] >> I.
[32:00] >> Mr. Firestone.
[32:01] >> Yes.
[32:01] >> Miss Fischer.
[32:03] >> Yes.
[32:03] >> Mrs. Zyus.
[32:04] >> Yes.
[32:04] >> Mrs. Leen.
[32:05] >> Yes.
[32:06] >> President Zano.
[32:07] >> Hi.
[32:07] >> Santero.
[32:08] >> Hi.
[32:09] >> Mr. Russo.
[32:10] >> Hi.
[32:11] >> President Ramos.
[32:12] >> Hi.
[32:13] >> Uh,
[32:17] J86.
[32:18] >> Seven. All right. Seven's carried. Okay.
[32:21] The hearing on eight hearing on announce
[32:24] repealing chapter 133 of the whole
[32:26] Oakland city code entitled noise control
[32:29] to repeal 133-13
[32:33] outdoor amplified sound permit.
[32:36] >> Yeah. Manuel Rivera.
[32:38] >> Oh, I was you came to get
[32:40] >> Oh, you your J86 also miss Pat Waiters.
[32:43] Sorry.
[32:43] >> Pat waiters. Is this the um last
[32:46] meeting? Not last me. Yeah. The last
[32:48] meeting, Manny. Last meeting when those
[32:51] people from this um complex question
[32:54] you, Miss Fischer, about the noise
[32:56] pollution. I learned later. Are they
[32:58] suing you?
[33:00] >> We're being sued. No,
[33:01] >> not no not yet.
[33:02] >> So that's not
[33:03] >> No.
[33:04] >> I'll give an update in a minute.
[33:05] >> Okay. Wait. I just Y'all saying
[33:07] transparency and got five resolutions on
[33:09] here for transparency. And this is what
[33:11] I'm trying to say was so important. Our
[33:13] town is so vulnerable and they take
[33:15] advantage of us. This is crazy. I sat
[33:18] here and I heard the whole thing. I just
[33:19] want to know are we being sued?
[33:21] >> I I will give an update.
[33:23] >> We are.
[33:23] >> No, I will give an update when it's my
[33:25] turn.
[33:25] >> Okay. Thank you so much, Miss Fisher.
[33:27] >> Manuel Rivera Solair.
[33:36] » Thank you, Council President. I rise
[33:38] because I'm a little bit disillusioned
[33:39] once again. the council is um
[33:43] >> causing me a little bit of concern here,
[33:45] but um in regards to this ordinance J86,
[33:48] it is interesting to see how
[33:52] quickly someone from the public or
[33:55] someone with a special interest can
[33:57] change the council's mind,
[34:00] irregardless if it's meritous, if it has
[34:03] merit, fine. But if it doesn't have
[34:06] merit, you have to explain as Miss uh
[34:08] Councilwoman Fischer says she's going to
[34:10] do maybe you as well, Council President.
[34:12] But we are disillusioned. We need to
[34:14] know the reasoning why this is being
[34:16] repealed. The reason why even if it was,
[34:21] pardon me, even if there were sections
[34:23] where the person or company or
[34:27] establishment decided to challenge,
[34:29] maybe you could have fixed that section,
[34:32] repaired it in some way where the
[34:35] ordinance could have stand. You're
[34:37] disregarding the neighbors and the
[34:39] residents who came here and spoke
[34:40] against it. Once again, how will you fix
[34:43] this? How will you gain back the
[34:45] integrity of this council where now
[34:48] anyone withstanding can come up and say
[34:50] well send my lawyer to send the council
[34:53] or the mayor that they have to repeal
[34:55] because I have an issue and if not I
[34:57] will sue. How can you face members of
[35:00] the public with this ordinance? Explain
[35:04] it. We need to know restore the faith of
[35:07] the people.
[35:10] I know that I've asked many many other
[35:12] times, override a veto,
[35:15] you couldn't do it. But this you can do,
[35:20] right? How can it be? Where is the moral
[35:23] standing with you? Where do you tell
[35:26] your constituents that your authority
[35:29] stands no matter what? Again, if you
[35:32] explain it to the people, let them know
[35:34] that this has to be done because it
[35:36] would be very expensive. is meritorious
[35:39] and we will fix it. Then maybe we could
[35:41] accept it. Again, this is not trying to
[35:43] be um argumentative with you or pointing
[35:47] the finger at you, but someone has to
[35:49] explain this to members of the public.
[35:51] Council President, I would hope that
[35:53] this evening in in the spirit of
[35:55] transparency that you are planning in in
[35:57] the consent agenda, the members of the
[36:00] public and the people who are watching
[36:02] get all of the details necessary before
[36:05] you vote for this ordinance. and I yield
[36:07] back. Thank you.
[36:08] >> Thank you. Motion to close public
[36:10] hearing.
[36:10] >> Motion.
[36:11] >> Second.
[36:11] >> All in favor?
[36:12] >> I.
[36:13] >> Counciloman Fischer.
[36:14] >> Yep. So, just to answer
[36:18] what both Miss Waiters and uh Mr. Rivera
[36:21] mentioned, we we're still working on
[36:23] this. There was um we put the ordinance
[36:25] in. And I think the sentiment was here
[36:27] from the council to support some sort of
[36:32] uh some sort of improvement to
[36:36] uh the use of sound um in certain public
[36:40] places that are too close to residential
[36:43] buildings. We we tried to do it along
[36:44] the uptown waterfront to to start. The
[36:48] reason why it's being repealed is
[36:51] because of state law. Um, state law
[36:57] actually oversees like noise ordinance.
[36:59] This wasn't supposed to be a noise
[37:00] ordinance, so it was a bit of a snafu.
[37:02] The administration put it in the wrong
[37:04] place, but there's the the DP is who
[37:08] effectively controls noise ordinances
[37:12] and so we have to work with them. So
[37:13] >> on the waterfront yeah sorry on the
[37:16] waterfront. So, what has happened since
[37:20] that in parallel is the city has already
[37:23] reached out to the DP um who's actually
[37:26] updating their standards and we're going
[37:28] to work with them to figure out what we
[37:29] can do. Um but also we met with uh the
[37:33] berries that are the owners of Shipyard
[37:35] who did insinuate that they would take
[37:38] us to court. Um which they've they've
[37:41] done before. Um but we met with them and
[37:44] had a really constructive conversation
[37:46] about within their control. First of
[37:48] all, giving more context around what
[37:50] some of the issues are that had not
[37:52] elevated to the top parents of the
[37:54] company. Uh and then talked through some
[37:58] ways that we can be better partners, you
[38:01] know, in this area. All that being said,
[38:03] this was never targeted at Pier 13. Um,
[38:06] we've consistently tried to manage the
[38:10] relationship between a residential
[38:12] neighborhood in an area that is tourist
[38:15] and commercial and we bump into it with
[38:17] noise and with like bikes and scooters
[38:19] and stuff that are reckless on the
[38:20] waterfront. So, we are going to go back
[38:23] and take a stab at this. I mean, we have
[38:24] a new park that's going to open up, you
[38:26] know, a year and a half from now, right
[38:28] on Wehawken Cove that is right next to
[38:30] uh some residential buildings in Hoboken
[38:32] in my ward as well as we hawken that
[38:34] we're going to need the same type of
[38:36] restrictions. So, we're actively, you
[38:38] know, the administration's been very
[38:40] supportive about trying to figure out a
[38:41] way to bring this back in time for next
[38:44] summer and we won't have it for the end
[38:46] of this year anyway. It doesn't matter,
[38:47] but we are hoping to have something um
[38:48] in time for next spring. So, that's it.
[38:52] President Councilman Cohen.
[38:58] [snorts]
[38:58] >> Thank you, Counc. Um, Manny, to answer
[39:02] your question, how we got here, uh, I
[39:04] think it is important to talk about how
[39:07] we got here. So, I I first learned about
[39:10] this ordinance on August 12th.
[39:12] Councilman Fischer and I actually wore
[39:14] working together on another ordinance,
[39:16] uh, Berg Glass ordinance, and we
[39:18] actually were working well together on
[39:20] that. We had a bunch of conversations
[39:21] about it
[39:22] >> uh the last minute and the same night we
[39:25] were going to be hearing about this on
[39:26] first reading and she described it to me
[39:28] >> and uh one of the things she said about
[39:30] it was that it was going to regulate
[39:32] waterfront noise in the waterfront
[39:34] district and I just had a single
[39:35] question which was which was um
[39:40] have you contacted Pier 13 because you
[39:43] know having lived in Hoboken for 40
[39:46] years uh having seen the development of
[39:48] the waterfront There really, to my
[39:51] knowledge, there's only one business
[39:52] that had amplified sound on the entire
[39:54] waterfront that was being affected. And
[39:56] Councilwoman Fischer told me that she
[39:57] hadn't, but that it was a good
[39:58] suggestion that she would reach out to
[40:00] them. And in fact, she did the day that
[40:02] it was introduced. Uh, and frankly, I
[40:05] didn't think about that again. It came
[40:07] back on September 2nd. That's when it
[40:09] was for second reading for approval. And
[40:12] uh we heard for the first time from the
[40:16] representatives of Pure 13 a number of
[40:19] issues. I I raised concerns about the
[40:22] fact that it seemed like maybe we were
[40:24] singling out a single business. It
[40:26] seemed like, you know, maybe we could be
[40:28] more collaborative and try and work
[40:30] together rather than impose $1,000 fines
[40:34] for violations and $250 per month permit
[40:38] just to operate with an outdoor speaker.
[40:41] Uh and what I heard in addition to those
[40:45] concerns about possibly singling out a
[40:47] single business was that uh there were
[40:51] legal issues as well. Uh constitutional
[40:54] issues relating to targeting vagueness
[40:57] because when it comes to noise
[40:59] ordinances, it's important to have a
[41:00] decibel level in order to enforce it
[41:02] consistently. And it shouldn't be up to
[41:05] someone who's like that sounds loud so
[41:07] you get a ticket. But no, you're above a
[41:09] certain number of decibb and that's how
[41:11] you enforce the law fairly. That's how
[41:13] noise ordinance are supposed to work.
[41:15] There were no decibel numbers in this.
[41:17] And and our corporation council said
[41:21] when we I asked, "Have you considered
[41:24] these issues? Would you like to consider
[41:25] them?" She said, "You know what? I
[41:28] haven't considered those issues." And
[41:30] she asked the entire city council to
[41:32] take a beat and to do legal research and
[41:35] get back to us. Okay? and uh we decided
[41:40] not to. And part of the reason we
[41:41] decided not to is because Councilwoman
[41:43] Fischer was very insistent that we
[41:45] needed to move quickly. This was common
[41:47] sense. It was reasonable. It wasn't
[41:49] targeting anybody. Uh but we learned
[41:51] something interesting at that September
[41:53] 2nd meeting. And I want to give credit
[41:54] to council president. He called up
[41:56] Director Fanti and Director Fanti came
[41:59] up and he reported to us on the history
[42:04] of noise violations in the city of
[42:06] Hoboken over the last 14 months and he
[42:09] told us that there were 1,00
[42:14] 1,400
[42:17] some odd complaints that had taken place
[42:20] over the last 14 months. And 32 of those
[42:24] complaints, 32 of those complaints were
[42:27] directed at Pier 13. One, actually, it's
[42:29] 1,140
[42:31] noise complaints over 14 months. 32 of
[42:33] them came from Pier 13. And in response
[42:36] to that, Councilwoman Fischer was
[42:39] indignant, couldn't believe the numbers
[42:41] were that low. And then she said that
[42:44] she personally had called the police 32
[42:46] times on this business personally. So,
[42:49] it seemed person to me, it seemed
[42:51] personal. And frankly, I think that was
[42:52] pretty good evidence to hand to someone
[42:54] who wants to sue the city that they're
[42:55] being targeted that in fact they were
[42:58] being targeted. So I think that's
[42:59] problematic. In any event, two weeks
[43:01] later, we get a memo from Corporation
[43:03] Council and Corporation Council provided
[43:06] us the me the memo right before the
[43:07] meeting. And what did the memo say? It
[43:10] said that not only were the uh concerns,
[43:14] legal concerns legitimate that should be
[43:17] considered, but that the DP would not
[43:21] could not
[43:23] grant the noise ordinance from a city
[43:25] without written approval from the D. The
[43:28] city had never approached the D. So
[43:31] again, it call it my spidey sense, call
[43:34] it having lived through this council
[43:36] before, but I have seen this council
[43:39] name and blame businesses for problems
[43:42] in this city. Okay? I've seen this
[43:45] council name and blame a single mom and
[43:48] pop shop that has a cannabis dispensary
[43:51] as being responsible for all the ills of
[43:53] cannabis and children in America. Okay?
[43:55] I've seen this council name and blame a
[43:58] single business with a streetery for
[44:00] being responsible for every rat in the
[44:03] city of Hoboken and naming that
[44:05] business. Okay.
[44:07] >> It is better in a mile square city to be
[44:10] working collaboratively
[44:12] with our businesses and support our
[44:15] businesses and to come up with voluntary
[44:17] solutions rather than draconian fines
[44:21] and targeting or what appears to be
[44:23] targeting. Again, you could say I'm not
[44:25] targeting all you want, but when you say
[44:27] that I called the police 32 times on
[44:29] this business, it raises questions.
[44:31] Okay? And you don't need to be Perry
[44:33] Mason to come up with a persuasive brief
[44:35] on that.
[44:36] >> Okay. So, so let me let me just wrap up
[44:39] and say this.
[44:40] >> Yeah. You want wrapped up?
[44:41] >> I will wrap up.
[44:43] >> I I it's important that we repeal this.
[44:46] I urge my colleagues to repeal this. The
[44:48] city faces significant legal jeopardy if
[44:50] this does not pass. and I hope that we
[44:52] work with our businesses in a
[44:54] collaborative way
[44:55] >> in the future. Thank you.
[44:57] >> Can I
[44:57] >> But in spite of all that, uh, Councilman
[45:00] Cohen, I think you look forward to
[45:01] working with Councilwoman Fischer.
[45:03] >> I I don't need to neighborhood to try
[45:05] and recognize there were issues with
[45:06] them
[45:07] >> 100%
[45:07] >> because a lot of what you said is like
[45:09] >> and I'm glad that that she had a meeting
[45:10] this week with the owners of the
[45:12] business to do that. So,
[45:13] >> because I'm just going to make a quick
[45:14] statement. I I prom I promise every
[45:17] member in the council.
[45:18] >> Thank you, Council President. And I
[45:19] promised the council, I promised the
[45:20] members of the audience, I'm not going
[45:21] to rehash the whole history of this. Uh,
[45:23] I just wanted to add that in my
[45:25] conversations with C councilwoman
[45:26] Fischer, and I think I said it at the
[45:28] meeting, too. I'm looking forward to
[45:30] making sure that we're doing this across
[45:32] the entire city. And of course, she was
[45:33] very open to that. So, I'm looking
[45:35] forward to it and making sure the entire
[45:37] city is [snorts] protected when it comes
[45:39] to noise and the quality of life across
[45:42] the city. So, thank you.
[45:44] >> All right. Now, I'll defend. Um, first
[45:46] of all, I think the only targeting that
[45:48] is happening is Phil spending a whole
[45:50] day targeting me, which is typically
[45:52] what happens. Um,
[45:54] >> the the actual history here, not the one
[45:58] that is the halftruths, which he
[46:00] typically does, is we met with I met
[46:04] repeatedly. First, first of all, it's
[46:07] all noise. We we uh passed a law a
[46:10] couple years ago to not allow fireworks
[46:13] to be launched from the waterfront
[46:15] because the noise was so loud and
[46:17] actually loud to the owners of Applied.
[46:19] They reached out to me um or the
[46:21] management of Applied reached out to me
[46:23] at the time. We met with I met with the
[46:27] management company of Pier 13 probably
[46:30] in April for the first time. Um, I
[46:34] talked to them on the phone multiple
[46:36] times. Um, I texted with them multiple
[46:40] times and I've been in receipt of, uh,
[46:44] complaints from residents, noise
[46:46] complaints all summer. And every time I
[46:48] received a noise complaint, I called the
[46:51] police as well. And so, I don't know if
[46:53] it was 32 times, but it was a lot. I we
[46:56] made the calls. Um, at one point they
[46:59] were trying to be a good partner. Then
[47:01] they stopped trying to be a good partner
[47:03] and I said to them like we need to find
[47:06] a solution here. I don't want to go into
[47:08] a situation where we have to look at
[47:10] other ways to do it. Um like legislative
[47:14] changes to help manage you know manage
[47:17] sound on the waterfront. But this was a
[47:19] continuing dialogue that went on for
[47:21] five or six months. Who I didn't speak
[47:23] to was the berries who are the owners
[47:26] because I didn't feel like we needed to
[47:28] elevate. we were working with uh the
[47:30] management company when they sat here
[47:31] and said that they they didn't the
[47:33] Darren the manager it was a lie and I
[47:36] have all the text messages to prove it.
[47:39] So, additionally, when we worked on
[47:42] this, it was never a noise ordinance.
[47:44] What it was was a permitting process to
[47:49] just require a permit for amplified
[47:51] sound for any kind of amplified sound
[47:52] whether it's Pure 13, whether it was
[47:54] anyone else, whether it is a nonprofit
[47:57] forprofit, whatever it is, from Maxwell
[48:00] all the way up to uh what will be um
[48:03] Cove Park. It was never meant to be an
[48:05] or noise ordinance. Um it involved input
[48:08] from the police department. It involved
[48:10] input from police officers. It was
[48:12] reviewed by our prior corporation
[48:15] council who said she was okay with it.
[48:18] was a It was reviewed by our
[48:20] assistant business administrator who
[48:22] helped draft it. There was weeks that
[48:24] went into this. And when it went on the
[48:28] agenda, it had all of that in there. And
[48:32] what what happened though is when they
[48:34] put the par like where it sits in our
[48:36] ordinance, they decided to put it into
[48:38] the Nor's ordinance. It wasn't supposed
[48:40] to be there. it was supposed to be in a
[48:41] totally different section. There's
[48:43] implications of that which is the D
[48:46] controls the noise ordinance. So
[48:48] suddenly we had this whole conversation
[48:50] um at the the second reading on
[48:53] something new that I wasn't even aware
[48:55] that was in uh the noise ordinance and
[48:57] we had a council member that repeatedly
[48:59] said over and over and over the
[49:01] narrative that the that applied might
[49:04] use against us that we were targeting
[49:06] them. We weren't targeting them. This is
[49:07] a continuing dialogue. So,
[49:10] as a result of getting the feedback, we
[49:14] [clears throat] did decide to pull it. I
[49:15] voted yes last time. I'll vote yes
[49:17] tonight. Nothing controversy. We're just
[49:19] going to work on a different path. One
[49:21] thing I will say is the the reference to
[49:25] 32. As uh director Franti who just left
[49:28] knows,
[49:29] it's not 32. It's a much larger number.
[49:33] I don't have all the numbers in front of
[49:34] me. And what it ends up representing for
[49:37] every Friday and Saturday night in the
[49:39] city of Hoboken during the the months
[49:41] that they're open, one out of every five
[49:44] noise complaints in the city is Pier 13.
[49:48] So it's not 30. It might be 32 out of
[49:52] 1,400 for the year, but these guys are
[49:54] only op they only operate, you know,
[49:57] from May until October. And really their
[50:00] huge noise are the party nights which
[50:02] are on the weekends. So when you go into
[50:03] those, literally one out of every five.
[50:06] So I do my work. I do the detailed work.
[50:08] I do all the background. I do
[50:10] everything. I talk with people all the
[50:13] time. I brought in input from the
[50:15] administration. We got approval from
[50:17] council. We came here and Councilman
[50:20] Cohen, who always targets me, so be on
[50:23] the lookout, came [snorts] and said,
[50:25] "How can I possibly possibly make this
[50:28] difficult?" And and tonight all he wants
[50:30] to do is say I'm a terrible person.
[50:32] That's who Councilman Cohen is, right?
[50:35] That's who he is. So anyway, we're
[50:37] voting yes tonight. It's fine. Since
[50:39] then, as I mentioned, we met Monday. The
[50:42] mayor set up a meeting with Applied to
[50:45] sit at the table. I was invited to it.
[50:47] We had a 45minute conversation on what
[50:49] we can do together in preparation for
[50:52] next year. And
[50:54] uh our BA was there. You were there,
[50:56] right?
[50:56] >> On the phone.
[50:56] That's right. But you've
[50:58] already reached out to the D, right? you
[51:00] guys have reached out to the D and we're
[51:03] having the dialogue on what we can do in
[51:05] advance of next summer or maybe you did
[51:07] >> one either either our corporation
[51:09] council VA someone did so we're working
[51:11] on it anyway that's it it's annoying
[51:13] that I even have to walk through all of
[51:15] this purely because someone spent all
[51:17] day coming up with a narrative to just
[51:19] come and like say bad things about me so
[51:22] it's fine I'm always happy to you know
[51:25] correct the record and give the truth
[51:28] >> call vote a lot of
[51:30] >> Mr. Tone.
[51:31] >> Hi.
[51:31] >> Firestone.
[51:32] >> Yes.
[51:33] >> Fisher.
[51:34] >> Yes.
[51:34] >> Mrs. Irish.
[51:35] >> Yes.
[51:36] >> Leon.
[51:36] >> Yes.
[51:37] >> Mr. Presidento.
[51:38] >> Hi.
[51:39] >> Cano.
[51:40] >> Hi.
[51:40] >> Mr. Russo.
[51:41] >> Can I explain the history one more time?
[51:43] >> Yeah.
[51:44] >> We didn't get it. We didn't get it all.
[51:46] [laughter]
[51:48] >> President Ramos.
[51:49] >> Hi. Those a lot of words for a yes.
[51:51] >> We're up to the consent agenda.
[51:56] » Public.
[51:57] >> No, you have to public.
[51:59] >> Public. Yeah. Uh
[52:03] relax. Uh Manuel Rivera Solair Pat just
[52:07] left the room.
[52:09] >> She left the room.
[52:14] » Sure. I'll go first. [clears throat] C
[52:16] president man six word resident. Uh C
[52:20] president again this is my consent
[52:21] agenda. This is where all pencils go up.
[52:24] I'm seeing I'm making sure. Just
[52:26] kidding. Just kidding. You you had to
[52:29] see the last meeting that when I lost my
[52:31] voice, you cracked jokes. So, I'm
[52:32] cracking jokes now. I even I even
[52:35] unbuttoned my first button because uh uh
[52:37] council president. Um anyway, consent
[52:39] agenda. Council President, there's a
[52:41] many things that I'm going to ask a
[52:42] question for, but before I lose your
[52:44] interest, I'm going to speak first on
[52:47] CL2 through CL5. Council President, um
[52:51] it would be again, as I always say, it
[52:54] would be a good thing if members of the
[52:57] public could understand the reasoning
[52:59] why these uh resolutions are here. Um
[53:04] the rules um of participation,
[53:07] we need to understand why it why at this
[53:10] point you're changing your rules for the
[53:14] meetings.
[53:16] Why these rules need to be implemented
[53:18] at this time? again and once again I
[53:20] just want to thank you for for um
[53:23] discussing the prior um ordinance.
[53:27] So again, can you briefly explain to
[53:30] members of the public there are three
[53:33] ordinance, pardon me, there are four
[53:34] ordinances here. What are the rule
[53:36] changes? Why you're implementing these
[53:38] rule changes? Why the order and rotating
[53:41] of uh roll call for voting? Why do you
[53:44] have to change this? Why do you need to
[53:47] have um the the first reading which of
[53:50] course I've always asked for that you
[53:52] know for you to discuss more of the
[53:55] ordinances in first reading. It's very
[53:58] important again that members of the
[53:59] public understand what is the business?
[54:01] Why is it required? Council President,
[54:04] these are just simple questions. Again,
[54:06] a caucus meeting would have been
[54:07] helpful, but alas, we don't have one.
[54:10] And again, council president, can
[54:12] members of the public get a brief, clear
[54:15] synopsis? Can the residents understand
[54:17] not only the rules that are being
[54:20] amended but why these changes are
[54:23] necessary and what particular difference
[54:26] the public should expect to see council
[54:29] president and that was those
[54:32] agenda now I'm very interested in
[54:35] knowing in consent agenda I'm going to
[54:37] go directly to infrastructure I1 I2 I5
[54:42] I7 I3 council president the one that I'm
[54:45] really interested is and I5 is why is
[54:47] that bid for the Tommy Oliviveri um
[54:51] being rejected and is there a a
[54:55] contingency uh to replace that vendor or
[54:59] whoever that was that was going to
[55:01] provide that for the um park. It's very
[55:04] important. It's a very important park.
[55:06] Many members of the public um take their
[55:09] children there and it is almost
[55:11] historic. So that would be important if
[55:14] you can let members of the public
[55:15] understand why that bid was changed.
[55:17] again in um public safety uh PS1.
[55:21] Council President, um again, I would
[55:24] like you through you to ask the the
[55:27] pardon me, I'm rushing to ask the
[55:29] council, especially council member um
[55:32] Cano if in the next opportunity that he
[55:35] may have to donate um uh safety
[55:39] equipment for other municipalities if he
[55:41] may take in consideration,
[55:44] Puerto Rico, Ekamoy, Puerto Rico. These
[55:48] um municipalities should be our system
[55:50] municipalities. Um they are loving
[55:53] coastal cities who need every every
[55:55] opportunity to have extra safety. And
[55:58] again, if you can help us understand uh
[56:00] how what's the reasoning and how does
[56:02] that work so we can apply and council
[56:05] president I see I still have time so I
[56:08] will proceed.
[56:10] um in community development, CD 1, CD2
[56:15] and community service, which I also
[56:16] think is redundant to community. Um it
[56:21] just makes no sense. Um C CS1
[56:25] and of course like I said in finance F1,
[56:29] F2, F3. Council President, that is it.
[56:31] That is what I have. I appreciate the
[56:33] attention. I hope um members of the
[56:35] public can hear some of the answers. And
[56:37] with that, I have time, so I will yield
[56:40] it back to you, sir. Thank you.
[56:42] >> Thank you. Pat Waiters.
[56:48] » Manny did most of Pat is 15 church
[56:51] towers.
[56:51] >> Manny did most of mine, but I'm going to
[56:53] take my time and go through in case he
[56:55] forgot anything. CD1,
[56:58] CD2, CD3,
[57:01] affordable housing, administrative aging
[57:04] services, an increased amount
[57:06] of
[57:08] 108,000.
[57:10] I I need answers, please, too, and
[57:12] answer these. And then the affordable
[57:15] housing trust fund, the rental assistant
[57:18] demolation, that's Michael Russo. Yeah,
[57:21] Russo and Paul. and then the release and
[57:24] information of the bond or Okay. What
[57:27] I'm concerned about is the housing
[57:29] authority.
[57:30] Where do this money go? I I got a call
[57:34] today a few people facing evictions and
[57:37] they said we going to send this
[57:38] paperwork to the city. We're going to
[57:41] send it to the city. Do this help with
[57:43] those evictions that's in the housing
[57:45] authority who
[57:46] >> with
[57:46] >> which one you talking?
[57:47] >> CD2. CD2 and CD12 is on here. See, all
[57:52] of them is Hoboken housing authority.
[57:54] One of them is for the lawyer, one of
[57:56] them is for um housing, the rental
[57:59] assistance
[58:01] cuz we got rental assistance like a CDA.
[58:04] Uh I just asked Chris too. It's funded
[58:07] by CDBG&H
[58:09] that's funded. But Mr. Reo quick to say
[58:12] federal. If this is federally funded,
[58:14] how do you get grants from the state
[58:16] asking for this money and where do it
[58:18] go?
[58:20] Where do the money go? Pat,
[58:22] >> that one's pulled specifically.
[58:24] >> Yeah, CD2 was pulled.
[58:25] >> I know it's pulled to October 21st, but
[58:28] can I please get answers before then?
[58:30] Because this is kind of fishy because
[58:32] since 2021, I got paperwork and
[58:34] documents where rents was being paid and
[58:36] it's not being allocated for. And I know
[58:39] this for a fact. So, that's what I'm
[58:41] telling the new council members. Stop
[58:43] being quick to put your name on stuff
[58:45] without doing your homework. Now with
[58:47] the park, I got real emotional with this
[58:50] Olivaria uh the the appointment I mean
[58:53] the um thing being pulled by Mr. Cohen,
[58:56] the bond being rejected. I lived right
[58:58] next door to that park and everybody in
[59:01] 1219 Willow, I hope y'all watching and
[59:03] y'all friends across the street in the
[59:05] fifth ward and make sure Phil Cohen do
[59:07] not get elected because that's
[59:10] disgusting. That whole family came out
[59:12] here for real and we when Beth Mason was
[59:14] still here, the family came out here. We
[59:16] redesigned that park and again you see
[59:19] how ugly it look when Donald Trump doing
[59:21] that too taking down statues and
[59:23] rechanging stuff. It looks horrible
[59:26] because that family came here and
[59:27] pleaded to this council and I lived
[59:30] right next door. My kids was like three
[59:31] and four. You could send them
[59:32] downstairs, open the door and go right
[59:34] in the gate to the park. So y'all just
[59:36] vote anything without even considering
[59:38] people feelings. It's disgusting. And
[59:41] then you sit up there and smile because
[59:42] it ain't impacting you.
[59:45] That was 15. No, I5 that the park
[59:50] >> and I'm not finished.
[59:54] >> The donation of the fire department. I
[59:56] mean the fire engine that Thanks Mandy
[59:58] spoke about that the transparency laws.
[1:00:02] I had to this is what I came out for.
[1:00:05] What what you going to do Paul Miss or
[1:00:08] whoever sponsoring this to improve the
[1:00:11] integrity of this town? This is long
[1:00:14] overdue. And I'mma say this and I'mma be
[1:00:16] sincere because you saying integrity,
[1:00:18] but you on here with Michael Russo, too.
[1:00:20] And I just learned today that you own a
[1:00:22] building. So just out of integrity, you
[1:00:25] shouldn't even be putting your name on
[1:00:26] here. I didn't know that, but you on
[1:00:28] here. Wait, let me finish.
[1:00:31] >> You on here. And the thing that g me the
[1:00:33] chills, I used to sit in this audience
[1:00:34] with you. And I will always say, if you
[1:00:37] get up there, what would you do? And you
[1:00:39] already showed us. Okay. So y'all get
[1:00:41] cocky once y'all move from here and be
[1:00:43] up there and take a known disregard to
[1:00:46] the people that still live here. And
[1:00:47] this is troubling. It's troubling
[1:00:50] because you going to improve the way the
[1:00:52] elections ran and the list goes on. I
[1:00:54] don't want to waste all my time.
[1:00:56] Integrity is in question in this city
[1:00:58] since Dawn Zimmer left and appointed
[1:01:00] Ravi. And all of y'all give these long
[1:01:03] stories and at the end say yes. Vote
[1:01:05] anyway. You know why? Cuz there's no
[1:01:07] transparency and y'all already cut the
[1:01:09] deal. How many years I've been saying
[1:01:10] that? I'm still seeing appointments on
[1:01:13] here, disrespecting the public. We don't
[1:01:15] know. Now, housing authority asking
[1:01:17] y'all again, every one of y'all. And I
[1:01:19] dare y'all to say no. Go down to the
[1:01:21] housing authority at election time and
[1:01:23] depend on those poor, vulnerable people,
[1:01:26] right? They ask y'all over and over why
[1:01:28] Pat Waiters is not a commissioner. WE
[1:01:31] WANT PAT WAITERS. We want Pat Waiters.
[1:01:34] BUT Y'ALL NEVER TOLD THEM THE process
[1:01:36] how you got to call a vote. 15 seconds.
[1:01:38] >> All right. You got to meet at the back
[1:01:40] door roundts to get me on that board. So
[1:01:42] with your transparency, these five
[1:01:44] things that you got on here tonight,
[1:01:46] let's see y'all go to work and really
[1:01:48] change it from the buying the votes to
[1:01:50] everything else. Seriously, cuz I'm
[1:01:52] waking my people up and we getting ready
[1:01:54] to start a movement right here in
[1:01:56] Hoboken. Stop deceiving us. This is
[1:01:59] disgusting.
[1:02:00] >> Thank you, Pat.
[1:02:01] >> And it ain't a joke, Paul. It hurts.
[1:02:04] Y'all been doing this for centuries.
[1:02:06] >> Thanks, Pat. Thank you.
[1:02:07] >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Motion to
[1:02:10] close public hearing.
[1:02:11] >> Motion.
[1:02:12] >> Second. All in favor?
[1:02:13] >> I.
[1:02:14] >> All right. We have
[1:02:16] I'll go through
[1:02:18] I5
[1:02:20] is a rejection of bids. It is not like
[1:02:23] stopping the project. Is a rejecting of
[1:02:25] bids. I think there was number.
[1:02:29] >> I think they're they're actually going
[1:02:30] to probably submit a new proposal on the
[1:02:33] next meeting.
[1:02:34] >> The work on the park is going to happen.
[1:02:36] >> Yeah. So, the Tom Olive Park is going to
[1:02:38] be repaired.
[1:02:39] >> Correct.
[1:02:41] >> She doesn't want I'm going to tell her.
[1:02:43] >> That's right. We just want the public to
[1:02:45] know. Like she said a lot of things. You
[1:02:47] want the public to know it's moving
[1:02:48] forward. We'll have a new proposal.
[1:02:49] >> The project is moving forward. Moving
[1:02:51] forward.
[1:02:52] >> The bids were much higher than
[1:02:54] anticipated. The work is much more
[1:02:56] specific than needs to be anticipated.
[1:02:57] So, there's more work that needs to be
[1:02:59] included in the bids going forward. So,
[1:03:01] that's where that's where that's going
[1:03:02] to be. So, I think the bids are going to
[1:03:04] be reissued in the very near future for
[1:03:06] I5 and that park is going to be
[1:03:08] rehabilitated. Uh PS1, that's a
[1:03:11] long-term partnership. It's going on for
[1:03:13] a number of years between uh the city of
[1:03:15] Hoboken and the town of Bokach Chica in
[1:03:18] Dominican Republic. In the past, Hoboken
[1:03:20] has also partnered up with uh Valiba in
[1:03:23] Puerto Rico for police cars. We've done
[1:03:24] in the past. So, this is I believe the
[1:03:26] third time that they're donating a fire
[1:03:28] apparatus to uh Boach Chica. And it's a
[1:03:31] process that uh they've we've gone
[1:03:33] through as a sister city of ours in
[1:03:35] Dominican Republic uh for a number of
[1:03:37] years now. Uh CD CD1 is just an increase
[1:03:42] in the administrative agency. Next year
[1:03:44] we have a number of affordable housing
[1:03:46] units coming online with all the
[1:03:48] buildings uh in town you're seeing
[1:03:50] constructed. So we have a number of
[1:03:52] units being being used for affordable
[1:03:55] housing very near future. So that is
[1:03:57] increasing the funds to make sure that waiting list and everything else is
[1:04:01] being carried out properly and those
[1:04:02] residents are being informed of where
[1:04:04] they're where they stand in the waiting
[1:04:06] list which I think we have to improve
[1:04:07] upon a little bit because the number of
[1:04:08] calls I get every week where people are
[1:04:10] on the waiting list is just
[1:04:11] astronomical. It's probably the number
[1:04:13] one thing that I get is where am I on
[1:04:15] the affordable housing waiting list?
[1:04:17] >> 20,000 on the list.
[1:04:18] >> Yeah. And so people want to know where
[1:04:19] they are and and that uh it seems to be
[1:04:22] difficult for people to find. So that
[1:04:24] should be improved upon as we move
[1:04:26] forward. Uh CD2 is the environmental
[1:04:31] review for the HHA redevelopment plan.
[1:04:33] So this is one again one step further
[1:04:35] and we're funding that through the
[1:04:36] community development block grant uh
[1:04:38] from the city that again is on the
[1:04:40] parking lot of forth and Harrison. So
[1:04:42] this is for the environmental review. So
[1:04:44] we are helping the housing authority uh
[1:04:46] with that process there. Uh
[1:04:49] PS1 that we address that one. CS1.
[1:04:55] Which one's CS1? I want to help me out
[1:04:56] on that one. I could go to
[1:05:02] » CS1.
[1:05:04] Is it CS?
[1:05:06] >> CS1.
[1:05:07] >> Oh, yeah. CS. There we go.
[1:05:09] >> It's the register.
[1:05:10] >> Oh, exist.
[1:05:11] >> That's just appoint a new appointment.
[1:05:12] Someone resigned. Someone retired, I
[1:05:14] should say. Someone retired. There's a
[1:05:16] promotion,
[1:05:18] >> right? No.
[1:05:19] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:05:19] >> Yes. Right. Yep. Correct. CS1 that
[1:05:22] correct that is that is accurate. So we
[1:05:24] had an individual that retired and we
[1:05:26] are promoting someone to that uh
[1:05:28] position. So that is what CS1 is and
[1:05:33] F1, F2, F3. I believe those are all tax.
[1:05:37] Oh no, sorry.
[1:05:40] >> Who's pulling one for discussion?
[1:05:42] >> Yeah, you guys got a second agenda.
[1:05:44] Councilman.
[1:05:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, listen. F
[1:05:48] F2 is just grants for fire for the
[1:05:50] firefighter homeland security FEMA grant
[1:05:52] FEMA assistance. Uh that's it. F3 is the GIF fund we go through every year.
[1:05:57] The health infrastructure fund and
[1:05:58] that's it. Members of the council, what
[1:05:59] are you pulling?
[1:06:01] >> I have CD4.
[1:06:03] >> CD
[1:06:03] >> CD4.
[1:06:07] I think CL2 and CL through CL5. I think
[1:06:09] people want to hear from that. We'll
[1:06:10] just pull those off.
[1:06:11] >> CL2 through CL5. Yeah.
[1:06:14] >> All four of them. Okay. I1, I2.
[1:06:17] >> I have T1, T2, and T3.
[1:06:21] >> I1, I2.
[1:06:23] >> Which one?
[1:06:23] >> I1 and I2.
[1:06:34] » Uh, which CD do we say again?
[1:06:37] >> CD4.
[1:06:40] >> Vote on consent agenda.
[1:06:41] >> Mr. Con?
[1:06:42] >> I. By Stone,
[1:06:44] >> yes. Fiser.
[1:06:45] >> Yes.
[1:06:45] >> Mr. Zyus.
[1:06:46] >> Yes.
[1:06:47] >> Glacon.
[1:06:47] >> Yes.
[1:06:48] >> President Zano.
[1:06:49] >> Hi.
[1:06:49] >> Mr. Cano.
[1:06:50] >> Hi.
[1:06:50] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:06:52] >> No. On all other pay and overtime pay.
[1:06:55] And yes on the rest.
[1:06:56] >> President Ramos.
[1:06:58] >> I.
[1:07:01] >> CD4.
[1:07:04] You said
[1:07:05] >> Yeah. CD4.
[1:07:06] >> Okay. I'll start up on that. So CD4 is
[1:07:08] just um it's an amendment of the zoning
[1:07:11] um for Willow Terrace and the purpose of
[1:07:15] this is to adopt some of the um
[1:07:19] suggestions in the master plan which is
[1:07:22] to really preserve the unique and
[1:07:25] historic quality of that specific
[1:07:27] neighborhood. Um because the
[1:07:29] neighborhood of Willow Terrace is
[1:07:30] actually situated in I believe it's the
[1:07:34] R2 district. So, the lot sizes made no
[1:07:37] sense. R1, was that R1? Thank you,
[1:07:39] Chris. Um, R1 district. So, um, there
[1:07:43] were the the basics of what's allowed
[1:07:47] didn't apply to Willow Terrace at all
[1:07:50] with regard to the lot, the lot size.
[1:07:52] That's okay. The light lot size and the
[1:07:54] lot coverage and the um the height. And
[1:07:58] so we have put restrictions in place to
[1:08:02] um sort of preserve the character of the
[1:08:04] neighborhood uh to to make adjustments
[1:08:08] such as you can only have one dwelling
[1:08:10] on one lot. You can't combine two or
[1:08:13] three if you were to acquire them and
[1:08:16] turn them into an apartment complex. Um,
[1:08:19] and it also addresses the variances that
[1:08:23] have been handed out historically, um,
[1:08:26] where the majority,
[1:08:28] I would say the majority of them are at
[1:08:30] 80% lot coverage because the lots are so
[1:08:33] small. Um, so we we really, uh, worked
[1:08:37] with the residents to um, make sure
[1:08:39] that, you know, the vast majority were
[1:08:42] on board with this. So this is adopting
[1:08:45] master plan recommendations to protect
[1:08:48] the neighborhood of Willow Terrace.
[1:08:51] >> And members of the council, call the
[1:08:53] vote.
[1:08:55] >> Thank you, Councilwoman.
[1:08:57] >> That's this one.
[1:08:59] >> CD4, Mr. Clark.
[1:09:00] >> Uh on C4, Mr. Con.
[1:09:02] >> Hi.
[1:09:03] >> Firestone.
[1:09:04] >> Yes.
[1:09:05] >> Fisher.
[1:09:05] >> Yes.
[1:09:06] >> Mrs.
[1:09:07] >> Yes.
[1:09:07] >> Mrs. Le.
[1:09:08] >> Yes.
[1:09:09] >> Mr. President.
[1:09:10] >> Hi.
[1:09:10] >> Mr. Cano.
[1:09:11] >> Hi.
[1:09:12] >> Mr. Russo. I
[1:09:14] >> President Ramos.
[1:09:15] >> I Let's do T1, T2, T3. Who is
[1:09:19] >> Thank you, Council President. Couso.
[1:09:21] >> Uh, director, if you don't mind,
[1:09:29] » if you could just go over T1 and just
[1:09:31] explain exactly what it is.
[1:09:33] >> Is T1 Adam Street?
[1:09:35] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, this is a a request to
[1:09:39] have a six-month extension for the
[1:09:40] municipal aid program. So, we have to do
[1:09:43] a formal resolution in order to get that
[1:09:45] granted by NJ DOT.
[1:09:47] >> Okay.
[1:09:47] >> That's all it is.
[1:09:48] >> And and how is that related now to uh
[1:09:52] the potential work going on there and
[1:09:54] the uh survey that was put out uh to the
[1:09:57] public on what work we're trying to
[1:10:00] accomplish.
[1:10:01] >> The only relation there is it gives us
[1:10:03] more time to get the public feedback and
[1:10:05] to work with the council to finish the process. where I was going, what's
[1:10:10] the next step for public feedback as far
[1:10:14] as uh we have the survey that's out. Uh
[1:10:17] we anticipate getting that information.
[1:10:19] Once we get that information, I'm
[1:10:21] assuming that the raw data is going to
[1:10:23] be uh given to the entire council. Uh
[1:10:26] what's the next step after that? Are we
[1:10:27] doing community meetings in the
[1:10:28] neighborhood? I believe there's one
[1:10:31] meeting uh scoped through Ingenuity's
[1:10:34] contract
[1:10:36] and then from there it'd be proceeding
[1:10:38] with with final finalizing design.
[1:10:41] >> And will that meeting be in the
[1:10:43] neighborhood or is that going to be a
[1:10:45] meeting that's going to be held prior to
[1:10:47] a council meeting up here in city hall?
[1:10:50] >> Uh I want to try to make it as
[1:10:51] convenient as possible for the residents
[1:10:53] on Adam Street.
[1:10:55] I'd like to do it
[1:10:56] >> or even or even OG
[1:10:58] >> org multiour is on atoms.
[1:11:01] >> Yeah.
[1:11:01] >> Oh, that's true. That's true.
[1:11:03] >> So, so we'll be so will be there. Okay.
[1:11:05] That's that's all I had on T1. Uh if I
[1:11:08] could ask questions on T2.
[1:11:09] >> Can I let Well, I have questions on T1.
[1:11:12] Is the the mutual aid application. Was
[1:11:15] there a street design attached to it? So
[1:11:18] that Okay. No street design.
[1:11:20] >> No.
[1:11:20] >> All right.
[1:11:20] >> It's purely the local aid funding
[1:11:22] program.
[1:11:23] >> Okay. and it's for roadway preservation
[1:11:26] and complete streets improvements and
[1:11:27] things like that.
[1:11:28] >> Got it.
[1:11:28] >> Then we hired Ingenuity to do the
[1:11:30] design. We haven't come there yet.
[1:11:31] >> That's why we're doing the extension.
[1:11:32] >> Yeah.
[1:11:33] >> T2.
[1:11:34] Yeah. Um and we talked about this
[1:11:37] real briefly when we when we spoke on
[1:11:38] the phone. Um
[1:11:41] >> just give me a little background as to
[1:11:43] what we're doing there, what the what
[1:11:45] this looks like as far as renting those
[1:11:47] spaces.
[1:11:49] Uh so sorry T2 is the the license
[1:11:51] agreement. The
[1:11:52] >> office spaces on I'm sorry you don't
[1:11:54] have the agenda in front of you. Yes the office of the uh garage.
[1:11:59] >> Yeah. So uh we have Epic who is the
[1:12:01] contractor for the Midtown garage
[1:12:03] rehabilitation project. Uh they need
[1:12:06] space for their own operations for the
[1:12:08] duration of the project which is
[1:12:09] approximately 3 years. And uh we have
[1:12:13] office space at Midtown that is
[1:12:14] available and this would be a license
[1:12:16] agreement that would allow them to use
[1:12:18] some of that space for the duration of
[1:12:20] the project. Uh there are c certain
[1:12:22] terms in there that include requiring
[1:12:25] them to do certain improvements to the
[1:12:26] office spaces which is needed. Uh there
[1:12:29] were some pipes that burst there uh
[1:12:32] early in the winter I believe back in
[1:12:33] January. And so they have gone in there
[1:12:35] already and started to clean up the
[1:12:37] area. uh this is tens of thousands of
[1:12:39] dollars of improvements that they're
[1:12:41] committing to investing in and uh that's
[1:12:44] basically the gist of it.
[1:12:45] >> Yeah. So, and I appreciate that we're
[1:12:48] going to start utilizing some of that
[1:12:49] space. um
[1:12:51] >> yeah for more activity.
[1:12:52] >> There's a there's a massive concern
[1:12:55] throughout the city when it comes to our
[1:12:57] education system and space
[1:13:01] and we are working very hard to figure
[1:13:03] out what the long-term solution is but
[1:13:07] we're not really discussing the
[1:13:08] short-term solution and the middle
[1:13:11] school looks like it's going to be
[1:13:14] just bursting at the seams very soon.
[1:13:17] So, I've been thinking about this a lot
[1:13:19] about how the city can be helpful to the
[1:13:22] board of education.
[1:13:24] We have right down the block from the
[1:13:26] middle school, we have Calabro School.
[1:13:27] And right now, the administration's
[1:13:30] offices mostly are in that building.
[1:13:33] There's also some uh pre-k classes in
[1:13:35] there as well, but I'd like to really
[1:13:38] explore
[1:13:40] allowing the schools to move
[1:13:43] administration offices to city- owned
[1:13:46] properties. And this is actually one of
[1:13:48] those properties that I think might be
[1:13:50] able to work so that into the future in
[1:13:53] a short term, we might be able to
[1:13:55] utilize Calabro School for our middle
[1:13:58] school as well. so that they'll almost
[1:14:00] have like a dual campus where it's our
[1:14:02] current middle school and then using
[1:14:03] Calabro school. In addition to this
[1:14:05] space, I'd also like to start exploring
[1:14:09] the spaces that the library through the
[1:14:12] city of Hoboken board next door to our
[1:14:14] original library. Those are being
[1:14:17] renovated there. Again, those are more
[1:14:19] office type spaces. So, I I'd like to
[1:14:22] start having these types of
[1:14:23] conversations. So, I don't have a
[1:14:26] problem using some of the space for the
[1:14:29] project and for staging and whatever
[1:14:31] else they need to do, but the remainder
[1:14:33] of that space, I'd like to explore those
[1:14:36] options with the school system first
[1:14:39] before we move to lease any of that
[1:14:41] other space because I think that could
[1:14:43] be a very significant short-term
[1:14:46] solution for our schools to allow the
[1:14:49] administrative role, the offices in in
[1:14:51] the school system to move out of Calabro
[1:14:53] and then potentially use that space for
[1:14:55] classroom space. So, I I although I
[1:14:59] appreciate what you're doing, I think we
[1:15:01] need to start looking at this from just
[1:15:03] a grand scale and the city should try to
[1:15:06] be helpful wherever it can. So, hold on
[1:15:10] any other space being rented at least
[1:15:12] until we can have some of those
[1:15:13] conversations.
[1:15:14] >> All right. I appreciate that. And then
[1:15:16] T3 director, I don't it's not really for
[1:15:18] you. It's really just a comment about
[1:15:21] noise waiverss, right? in I don't think
[1:15:25] one has come before the council that we
[1:15:27] didn't vote on, right? I think may maybe
[1:15:29] one, maybe two.
[1:15:31] And every time we're doing these noise
[1:15:33] waivers, we're telling whatever
[1:15:36] contractor it may be, whatever works
[1:15:37] being done that they can't do a lot of
[1:15:41] noisy work prior to a certain hour. I
[1:15:44] think it's time we just change it. I
[1:15:47] really do. I think we we just allow
[1:15:49] internal work for certain hours and then
[1:15:52] that loud external work for certain
[1:15:54] hours because honestly these come before
[1:15:57] us. I mean there's a few of them on the
[1:15:58] agenda tonight. They just come before us
[1:16:00] all the time. I think it's something we
[1:16:02] should explore in committee to see if we
[1:16:04] could just tweak what our law says and
[1:16:06] then we don't have to always vote on the
[1:16:07] waiver for this internal work that is
[1:16:12] not really producing much much noise. So
[1:16:14] just a a point that I wanted to make
[1:16:17] there. And that's all I had and we could
[1:16:18] vote on uh each of them individually.
[1:16:21] >> Individually or together?
[1:16:22] >> Yeah, individually, please.
[1:16:23] >> Two two T2.
[1:16:28] » Uh
[1:16:28] >> we vote on We vote on
[1:16:29] >> We didn't vote.
[1:16:30] on any of them.
[1:16:32] >> T1. I'm sorry. T1. I apologize.
[1:16:36] >> Mr. Con. I
[1:16:38] >> Yes.
[1:16:39] >> Fisher.
[1:16:39] >> Yes.
[1:16:40] >> Mrs. Yes.
[1:16:41] >> Mrs. Le.
[1:16:42] >> Yes. President Dano.
[1:16:44] >> Hi,
[1:16:44] >> Mr. Canero.
[1:16:45] >> Hi,
[1:16:45] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:16:46] >> Hi,
[1:16:47] >> President Ramos.
[1:16:48] >> Hi. T2.
[1:16:52] » T2. Mr. Con.
[1:16:54] >> Hi,
[1:16:54] >> Firestone.
[1:16:55] >> Yes.
[1:16:55] >> Fisher.
[1:16:56] >> Yes.
[1:16:56] >> Mrs. Syus.
[1:16:57] >> Yes.
[1:16:59] >> President.
[1:17:00] >> Hi,
[1:17:00] >> Mr. Cano.
[1:17:01] >> Hi,
[1:17:02] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:17:03] >> Hi,
[1:17:04] >> President Ramos.
[1:17:05] >> Hi, T3.
[1:17:06] >> B3. Mr. Con.
[1:17:08] >> Hi,
[1:17:09] >> Firestone.
[1:17:10] >> Yes.
[1:17:10] >> Fisher.
[1:17:11] >> Yes.
[1:17:11] >> Mrs. Yes,
[1:17:12] >> Mrs. Le.
[1:17:13] >> Yes.
[1:17:14] >> President Zano.
[1:17:15] >> Hi,
[1:17:15] >> Mr. Cano.
[1:17:16] >> Hi,
[1:17:16] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:17:17] >> Hi,
[1:17:17] >> President Ramos.
[1:17:18] >> Hi,
[1:17:21] » I
[1:17:24] won.
[1:17:25] >> Council President Zano,
[1:17:34] » this is by the bond, correct me if I'm
[1:17:36] wrong, that you guys voted for last
[1:17:38] week. Is that correct?
[1:17:39] >> I believe so.
[1:17:42] This is a $350,000
[1:17:44] uh western waste collection truck.
[1:17:46] >> Yes,
[1:17:48] >> that is correct.
[1:17:49] >> All right. It's electric or gas.
[1:17:52] >> Diesel.
[1:17:55] >> Okay. That's going to cost him some gas.
[1:17:57] Uh and then I guess we get two as well.
[1:17:59] I'll do it because two by
[1:18:02] >> uh Council President, if I can ask for
[1:18:04] two as well. It's kind of the same
[1:18:05] thing.
[1:18:05] >> Yeah. I Yeah.
[1:18:06] >> All right. And this is 300,000 for
[1:18:08] another truck. What are the difference
[1:18:10] between the twos? The two. One's a rear
[1:18:12] load refuge body. Is that a like
[1:18:15] >> chassis, one?
[1:18:17] >> One is the chassis, one's the body.
[1:18:19] >> Together they make one truck.
[1:18:21] >> It's two parts.
[1:18:22] >> Together they're one truck.
[1:18:23] >> Do you come up RJ?
[1:18:24] >> Okay. So, that that was my question. Why do we have part of a So, if we would
[1:18:29] have passed I1, not have passed I2, we
[1:18:32] wouldn't got a second part of the truck.
[1:18:33] That's why I was confused.
[1:18:34] >> That is true.
[1:18:35] >> So, I I just
[1:18:37] >> They already packaged you. Okay. So, for
[1:18:39] future I'm just and not a knock, but I
[1:18:41] was when I read it, I wanted to make
[1:18:43] sure because I said to myself, how are
[1:18:45] we going to if one got voted down, then
[1:18:47] we're just getting a truck?
[1:18:49] >> Correct me if I'm wrong. Or is this
[1:18:50] because of how it works that you had to
[1:18:52] do?
[1:18:52] >> It's the it's the contract mechanism for
[1:18:54] the actual procurement, but you can
[1:18:57] context here. So, there are two
[1:18:58] different vendors. One is Hudson County
[1:19:00] Motors, which purchases the chassis
[1:19:01] itself, and then sanitation equipment is
[1:19:03] for the rear loader. So, there are two
[1:19:05] different vendors that specialize in
[1:19:06] different equipment. One is for the
[1:19:08] actual vehicle and one is for the the loader that goes onto it. So it's
[1:19:12] also under two different cooperative
[1:19:13] purchasing contracts. So we would not be
[1:19:15] able to go to one vendor to purchase an
[1:19:17] entire garbage truck.
[1:19:18] >> You could see my question though, right?
[1:19:20] Like
[1:19:20] >> cuz if one didn't go, two's not like and
[1:19:23] we get two. We have a chassis or we have
[1:19:25] a back.
[1:19:25] >> That's also why we put a very detailed
[1:19:27] memo in the packet.
[1:19:28] >> Yeah. I I mean that's why I was just
[1:19:29] like but I was just asking. Yeah.
[1:19:32] >> Just asking. Yeah. You together?
[1:19:34] >> Yeah, it's fine. I1 and I2 together.
[1:19:38] >> Mr. Con.
[1:19:39] >> Hi.
[1:19:39] >> Firestone.
[1:19:40] >> Yes.
[1:19:40] >> Fisher.
[1:19:41] >> Yes.
[1:19:41] >> Mrs. Zyus. Yes.
[1:19:43] >> Mrs. Le.
[1:19:43] >> Yes.
[1:19:44] >> President. No.
[1:19:45] >> Mr. Cano.
[1:19:46] >> Hi.
[1:19:47] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:19:48] >> No.
[1:19:50] >> President Ramos.
[1:19:51] >> Hi.
[1:19:52] >> President. No.
[1:19:53] >> No. Okay.
[1:19:54] >> Uh, CL2. Council Fisher. Right.
[1:19:57] >> Do you want me to just do all of them?
[1:20:00] >> One at a time.
[1:20:01] >> Okay. You don't want me to just describe
[1:20:03] all of them and then we can vote
[1:20:04] individually.
[1:20:05] >> All right. So, um we
[1:20:09] >> we have we always have a lot of
[1:20:10] conversations about um
[1:20:15] in recently, you know, we uh we had
[1:20:18] caucuses, then we moved them during the
[1:20:20] summer, then we got rid of them. We have
[1:20:23] new members that um and old members that
[1:20:27] have asked for
[1:20:29] uh ways to have more conversation on
[1:20:33] more things. We have a committee system
[1:20:35] where we often will have on really major
[1:20:39] issues um
[1:20:42] you know a major issue will sit in a
[1:20:44] committee and only four committee me
[1:20:45] council members will have like the
[1:20:48] detailed under the detailed discussion
[1:20:50] of it. So what we tried to do is um what
[1:20:55] governs our city council meetings and
[1:20:58] our agendas and our committees is what
[1:21:00] we call the council rules. So we put in
[1:21:03] what we we originally proposed six
[1:21:05] different resolutions and the reason why
[1:21:07] we did them separately is because some
[1:21:10] of my colleagues may like some of them,
[1:21:12] they may not like some of them um and it
[1:21:15] allows people to vote on them
[1:21:16] individually. I think if we put them
[1:21:19] together as a big package um we would
[1:21:22] have been less successful on uh putting
[1:21:25] these in. So um CL2 is let me just
[1:21:29] remind myself um so CL2 is literally
[1:21:33] just a cleanup um of the council rules.
[1:21:36] It does two main things. One or it does
[1:21:39] three things. One is it changes like the
[1:21:43] Roman numerals from the Roman era to
[1:21:45] regular numbers. Um, two, it actually
[1:21:49] asks to be put on the website as text,
[1:21:52] readable text, which currently it's not.
[1:21:54] It's like a PDF that you have to like
[1:21:56] get to. And three, it just updates it
[1:21:59] for all the changes that have been made.
[1:22:01] An old version is sitting on the city
[1:22:03] council meeting. So, that's all
[1:22:04] literally that's all it does. There's no
[1:22:06] policy change or anything. Do you want
[1:22:09] to vote or do you want me to go to the
[1:22:10] next ones?
[1:22:11] >> Uh, let's call a vote. Anyone question?
[1:22:14] >> Yeah, I I actually do have a question.
[1:22:16] Besides the fact that I went to school
[1:22:17] such such a long time ago that I only
[1:22:19] know Roman numerals. So now I'm
[1:22:21] >> I said the same thing like I I wasted my
[1:22:23] purpose of learning Roman numerals.
[1:22:24] >> Come on. You now we're gonna have outlaw
[1:22:26] abacuses. Okay. Great. Thank you. Um
[1:22:29] >> administrative question. Is it premature
[1:22:31] to vote on this? Because if some of the
[1:22:33] other rules pass then we'll have to
[1:22:37] physically update
[1:22:38] >> Yeah. thing again. Just
[1:22:39] administratively. I'm not against
[1:22:41] changes. Administratively, what I did
[1:22:43] was just made each one separately. So,
[1:22:45] this is the cleanup one. If no one wants
[1:22:47] to vote on any of the others, this just
[1:22:50] cleans it up and puts it on the website
[1:22:52] and then we pass another one, then it
[1:22:53] just gets inserted into
[1:22:54] >> Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I hope at the
[1:22:57] very least everyone at least passes CL2.
[1:22:59] I mean, I want everyone to pass the
[1:23:00] rest, but
[1:23:02] >> um CL2 vote.
[1:23:05] >> Mr. Con,
[1:23:06] >> I.
[1:23:07] >> Miss Fiser,
[1:23:08] >> yes.
[1:23:09] >> Mrs. Zish,
[1:23:10] >> yes.
[1:23:12] >> President.
[1:23:13] >> Hi,
[1:23:14] >> Mr. Cano.
[1:23:15] >> Hi,
[1:23:15] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:23:16] >> Hi,
[1:23:17] >> President Ramos.
[1:23:18] >> Hi.
[1:23:18] >> Firestone. Yes.
[1:23:20] >> Forgot about Firestone.
[1:23:21] >> Firestone. Yes. [laughter]
[1:23:24] » That's why CL3 is a bad idea.
[1:23:26] >> Okay.
[1:23:27] >> Does that count for two votes?
[1:23:29] >> C CL3. Um CL3. Again, this is actually
[1:23:34] something that we've talked about kind
[1:23:35] of on and off over the years. We just
[1:23:37] never really done anything about. Um,
[1:23:39] and what it does is it would every
[1:23:43] meeting it would change the order of
[1:23:45] voting and it would just move it by one.
[1:23:48] So right now, and it'll always stay
[1:23:50] alphabetical, but like right now, um,
[1:23:53] Councilman Cohen always verse votes
[1:23:55] first. Councilman Russo always votes
[1:23:58] second to last. Always. And there's both
[1:24:01] benefits and challenges being the first
[1:24:03] vote and benefits and challenges of
[1:24:05] being the last vote. more benefits than
[1:24:07] challenges being the last vote. And what
[1:24:11] rotating does is allows everyone to have
[1:24:16] to to basically vote and sometimes
[1:24:20] benefit from hearing all of your
[1:24:22] colleagues and what they're going to say
[1:24:24] before you vote and how they're going to
[1:24:25] vote or being in the hot seat and voting
[1:24:28] first before you know how all of
[1:24:30] everyone else is going to vote. And so
[1:24:32] this from a transparency it it gives
[1:24:36] more transparency to the public on how
[1:24:38] what council members views are on
[1:24:41] issues. Um and that is the purpose of
[1:24:44] it.
[1:24:45] >> Any members of council want to address
[1:24:46] that?
[1:24:47] >> Yeah. Uh yeah, I don't so look I I mean
[1:24:52] um I I often say like shouldn't make
[1:24:55] decisions on these votes at the last
[1:24:56] minute, but I think I have here based on
[1:24:58] just surveying kind of colleagues and staff. Um I wonder if like we're
[1:25:03] getting a little too cute sometimes. So
[1:25:06] I had indicated to folks in one end or
[1:25:08] the other. So I'm always an advocate if
[1:25:10] I'm going to kind of switch positions to
[1:25:11] explain why think we might be getting a
[1:25:13] little too cute here. So I'm I'm not
[1:25:14] going to support this one.
[1:25:15] >> Yeah. which is funny because he told me
[1:25:17] he was last week
[1:25:19] >> which is why I explained my
[1:25:20] >> Okay. Call vote.
[1:25:23] >> Mr. Con?
[1:25:24] >> No.
[1:25:26] >> Mr. Fly Stone.
[1:25:27] >> No.
[1:25:28] >> Fisher.
[1:25:29] >> Yes.
[1:25:29] >> Oh, wait a minute. I got it.
[1:25:34] >> Miss Mrs.
[1:25:36] >> Yes.
[1:25:36] >> Excuse me.
[1:25:38] >> Yes.
[1:25:40] >> Mrs. Le.
[1:25:41] >> No.
[1:25:42] >> Mr. Presidento.
[1:25:43] >> Yes.
[1:25:43] >> I I Cano. No,
[1:25:47] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:25:48] >> I like won't last. No. [laughter]
[1:25:51] >> All right.
[1:25:54] >> Okay.
[1:25:55] >> Life won't last.
[1:25:56] >> Number four.
[1:25:58] >> So, CL4,
[1:26:00] do you have to read them or do does he
[1:26:01] have to read them?
[1:26:02] >> Do they
[1:26:03] >> Does he have to read them?
[1:26:05] >> Uh, no. You go. You
[1:26:07] >> CL4 is um
[1:26:10] is doing two things. one is
[1:26:15] uh allowing a discussion on first
[1:26:18] readings. We often, you know, first
[1:26:21] readings are at the end of the agenda.
[1:26:23] They're law changes and law changes and
[1:26:26] this gets to the um this gets to the
[1:26:29] heart of what I said initially, which is
[1:26:32] often we will have a law change. Like
[1:26:35] right now, there's a bunch of ordinances
[1:26:36] on here that are literally law changes
[1:26:38] that only four council members will have
[1:26:41] seen before they are introduced with no
[1:26:44] discussion. And so the discussion
[1:26:46] happens between first and second or at
[1:26:49] the second reading. And and by then
[1:26:52] either the votes are already in for it
[1:26:54] or if we want to make a change that is
[1:26:57] an important change um we would have to
[1:27:00] go back to first reading and delay like
[1:27:02] the process. Um and and also too, we've
[1:27:05] never really let the public kind of hear
[1:27:08] our discussion around first readings. Um
[1:27:12] we were having that during the caucus,
[1:27:13] which was great. And this allows, you
[1:27:16] know, more of an open conversation be
[1:27:19] before simultaneously with the
[1:27:21] introduction of the laws. The second
[1:27:23] thing it does is it just moves the first
[1:27:26] readings up to after second readings um
[1:27:29] at the top of the meeting. So, what that
[1:27:32] would look like from a meeting
[1:27:33] standpoint is the city council would be
[1:27:36] considering all law changes right at the
[1:27:39] front. And those are the ones that
[1:27:40] impact our community most significantly.
[1:27:44] Any given resolution is just basically
[1:27:46] how we're spending money and and
[1:27:48] administering
[1:27:50] um the operations of the city. But law
[1:27:52] changes are things that impact people.
[1:27:53] So, it just puts it up at the front and
[1:27:55] allows a council conversation um around
[1:27:58] them. members of council.
[1:28:01] >> Uh just a quick question on procedure.
[1:28:03] Um would the public speak to the first
[1:28:07] reading ordinances or I don't think so
[1:28:09] or no.
[1:28:10] >> So based on the order it looked like we
[1:28:12] would speak public would speak on second
[1:28:14] reading ordinances. We would speak
[1:28:16] >> we would go to you have an opportunity
[1:28:18] to speak on each one. We wouldn't I I
[1:28:22] mean I think it's I think it's
[1:28:23] contemplated not to have like
[1:28:26] >> I I think it's contemplated to have it
[1:28:28] be just an agenda item. So if someone
[1:28:30] wants to come in and speak on a first
[1:28:31] reading, it's not like we would have
[1:28:33] second read, you know, second readings
[1:28:35] we have a separate hearing for each one.
[1:28:37] These are just like resolutions and that
[1:28:39] they're being introduced and we we may
[1:28:42] not talk on any of them because they may
[1:28:44] be one, you know, like when we have
[1:28:45] ordinances for a new loading zone, we
[1:28:48] don't really talk about those, you know,
[1:28:50] unless it's like a controversial one,
[1:28:52] right? So, you anticipate that the
[1:28:54] majority of our ordinances are often the
[1:28:57] prefuncter ones, but the ones that are
[1:28:59] more meaningful, um, if it's just an
[1:29:01] agenda item, the public should be able
[1:29:03] to say, "Hey,
[1:29:04] >> the the current rules don't preclude us
[1:29:06] from asking questions like after, uh,
[1:29:09] it's introduced during the meeting." Uh,
[1:29:12] or doesn't preclude a member of the
[1:29:13] public from asking a question at public
[1:29:15] portion either. So, we could still ask
[1:29:17] questions. Just this just goes in the
[1:29:19] front. know I mean
[1:29:20] >> I like the way it is currently but if
[1:29:22] members of the council want to change it
[1:29:24] that's
[1:29:24] >> I just think I think for me and the
[1:29:26] reason why we looked at this was these
[1:29:30] are law changes and a lot of times
[1:29:32] because our we don't give committee
[1:29:33] reports up here all the time and we
[1:29:35] sometimes we have to call each other to
[1:29:37] find out what happened in a meeting
[1:29:38] sometimes because there's only four of
[1:29:39] us in there that we really only get one
[1:29:42] time to really be together to to discuss
[1:29:45] it is at second reading and where it's
[1:29:47] already there and if there's a problem
[1:29:48] on second reading then we have to push
[1:29:50] it back to first reading again and go
[1:29:51] back again. Here, if we have a
[1:29:54] discussion the first time, we now have
[1:29:56] some questions that are kind of out in
[1:29:57] the public realm or to the
[1:29:58] administration and that we can address
[1:30:00] and then therefore it speeds up the
[1:30:02] process that something could happen or
[1:30:03] slows it down. One of the two because it
[1:30:04] may not even it could not pass
[1:30:06] potentially. There's a lot of times when
[1:30:08] I you hear a lot of us say yes, I'm
[1:30:10] first reading, right? It means we have
[1:30:12] massive questions on it and we're not
[1:30:14] sure. Well, this would give you a chance
[1:30:15] to ask those questions first, but it
[1:30:17] allows us because the sunshine law is
[1:30:18] almost two bites at the apple. What
[1:30:20] essentially the caucus was supposed to
[1:30:21] do, but what we've done is basically
[1:30:24] made a mini caucus for the first
[1:30:25] readings so that for law changes so that
[1:30:28] the public knows.
[1:30:29] >> Well, in that case,
[1:30:30] >> if I could just if I could just jump in,
[1:30:33] one of my concerns is
[1:30:36] >> I mean, and I've said this a thousand
[1:30:38] times, right? like when when we're
[1:30:39] having conversations about anything,
[1:30:41] even resolutions,
[1:30:43] >> we're going to then need to require that
[1:30:46] all of our directors are here
[1:30:48] throughout, right? And I don't have a
[1:30:50] problem doing that, but I think we need
[1:30:52] to make sure that the administration
[1:30:53] doesn't have a problem doing that
[1:30:55] because if if I have a question on
[1:30:57] whatever it is and it's second reading,
[1:31:00] I think the directors are
[1:31:02] >> at least more prepared for questions
[1:31:05] because they know we're asking them. So
[1:31:09] only thing for me would be let's just
[1:31:11] get an okay from the administration that
[1:31:13] they're going to make sure that the
[1:31:15] directors prepared to answer all those
[1:31:18] questions on that first reading because
[1:31:19] I don't I don't know necessarily know
[1:31:21] they are.
[1:31:21] >> But they're moving to the front. They're
[1:31:23] moving to the front so they wouldn't
[1:31:24] stay as late.
[1:31:25] >> No, he's asking just in general, right?
[1:31:27] >> Just in general. Right. Like so for
[1:31:29] example, if there was a first read if
[1:31:30] there's one first reading for parking
[1:31:32] but there was really nothing else in
[1:31:34] second reading. parking director might
[1:31:36] not be here,
[1:31:37] >> but I I think the director I mean we
[1:31:40] have a business administrator who
[1:31:42] generally knows the answer to 99%
[1:31:47] of the questions usually. I hope it's
[1:31:49] 99.
[1:31:51] Yeah. And I And I know this sounds
[1:31:53] terrible, but this is
[1:31:56] the transparency
[1:31:58] is really about public transparency and our ability to be informed
[1:32:06] in advance of law changes, right? And if
[1:32:11] it means that we have to have a director
[1:32:14] stay later or maybe our business
[1:32:16] administrator just you know we ask the
[1:32:18] questions or do we work do whatever we
[1:32:20] can to be helpful I would still think
[1:32:22] that the majority of the people that she
[1:32:26] has the corporation council and her have
[1:32:28] the ability to answer and actually Diana
[1:32:30] who's usually here as well who's our
[1:32:32] assistant business administrator that we
[1:32:33] have a lot of that support um in the
[1:32:35] room. Yeah, just to uh just to say um
[1:32:38] one I I like the idea of moving the laws
[1:32:40] all up because that is the meat and
[1:32:42] potatoes of what we're doing here. So I
[1:32:44] appreciate that and I think Paul you
[1:32:45] summarize it well that it's going to
[1:32:47] marrying it's like a mini caucus
[1:32:48] situation. So uh generally I like it and
[1:32:51] again what we've shown if it gets
[1:32:53] unwieldy or it's not as we intended we
[1:32:55] can change it.
[1:32:56] >> Yep. I just wanted to um just add on to
[1:32:59] that like in terms of the public
[1:33:01] speaking on the first readings if it's
[1:33:04] left towards the end with the questions
[1:33:06] wouldn't that basically be the same
[1:33:08] because you know we've had second
[1:33:10] readings I'm thinking of the bird glass
[1:33:12] right where we had I don't know 25 30
[1:33:15] people come up to speak and I don't know
[1:33:18] that we can sit through if if something
[1:33:22] is you know controversial on step one on first reading. So maybe that's just
[1:33:27] limited to conversation with you know
[1:33:30] the ability to speak at the end which
[1:33:31] they're able to do anyway right is that
[1:33:33] what you were saying council
[1:33:36] >> correct okay it is going to
[1:33:39] >> I don't I don't think there's been any
[1:33:41] time when something's introduced in
[1:33:43] first reading where no member of council
[1:33:45] by the time the second vote came for but
[1:33:46] they had information I don't think we've
[1:33:49] ever in my experience lacked for
[1:33:51] information when a vote happening in
[1:33:52] second reading was going out even it was
[1:33:53] a contentious issue if I knew nothing
[1:33:55] about the issue beforehand, right? How
[1:33:57] many voted in a second reading? We
[1:33:58] pretty much we all pretty much know what
[1:34:00] it is. We still have questions about it.
[1:34:02] Yes, that's just normal. We ask them
[1:34:04] here, we keep on going there. But I
[1:34:06] think uh you know, we've been the city
[1:34:09] of Hobong's been operating for a long
[1:34:10] time this way. Uh it's not broke. I
[1:34:13] don't think there's a a fix that that's
[1:34:15] necessary in this in this instance that
[1:34:17] we're that needs to be fixed, but that's
[1:34:19] just my opinion. Everyone could think
[1:34:21] differently on that.
[1:34:22] >> I think I think Yeah, we Oh, sorry. Go
[1:34:24] ahead. No, I was just going to suggest
[1:34:26] um just at a high level, I really
[1:34:30] appreciate
[1:34:31] the sirens. I really appreciate the work
[1:34:34] that council members Fischer, Immus, and
[1:34:36] President Zano put into all of these
[1:34:38] because even though I I voted against
[1:34:41] CL3, I think all of these are important
[1:34:44] efforts to improve the transparency that
[1:34:46] we have. And we do have a new council
[1:34:48] members on this year and I think it's
[1:34:50] worthwhile to experiment a little bit
[1:34:52] with how we can do things better and we
[1:34:55] should be open to that. So even though
[1:34:57] it's worked in the past uh having them
[1:34:59] at the end I'd be supportive of CL4.
[1:35:04] » Mr. Con?
[1:35:05] >> No.
[1:35:07] >> Mr. Firestone?
[1:35:08] >> Yes.
[1:35:09] >> Miss Fiser?
[1:35:10] >> Yes.
[1:35:11] >> Mrs. Zyus?
[1:35:12] >> Yes.
[1:35:14] >> Mrs. Le?
[1:35:15] >> Yes.
[1:35:17] President Zano.
[1:35:18] >> Hi,
[1:35:19] >> Mr. Cano.
[1:35:20] >> Hi,
[1:35:21] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:35:22] >> Hi,
[1:35:23] >> President Ramos.
[1:35:25] >> No.
[1:35:27] >> CL5.
[1:35:28] >> So, the last one is um and this is we've
[1:35:31] heard it especially from some of the new
[1:35:34] members and Paul being new before the
[1:35:37] most recent new, but he's been saying it
[1:35:39] since the beginning.
[1:35:40] >> Um is putting in just a line item. This is putting in a line item on if you look at the the order for the
[1:35:51] meetings, there isn't a line item for
[1:35:54] committee reports and it's putting that
[1:35:58] line item in the order for the meeting
[1:36:01] and saying we we already have a
[1:36:04] requirement that the committee chairs
[1:36:07] give an update. So, it's not looking for
[1:36:09] anyone to write a summary. Um, but if
[1:36:13] they feel or if we actually do follow
[1:36:16] our committee rules, committee chairs
[1:36:18] then would just give like a one minute,
[1:36:20] hey, this is what we talked about. I'll
[1:36:22] give an example. I chair parking and
[1:36:24] transportation and I might say we had a
[1:36:26] whole conversation on the Grove Street
[1:36:29] closure. We had a presentation from the
[1:36:31] D on a grove uh Grove Street closure and
[1:36:36] everyone could give their 60 seconds. It
[1:36:39] lets everyone here have a sense of what
[1:36:41] we're talking about. I can tell you we
[1:36:42] have a we have this ad hoc revenue
[1:36:44] committee um that we actually haven't
[1:36:47] meet met in a little while. We have to
[1:36:48] meet again, but we you know we're
[1:36:51] talking about things that are crossover
[1:36:53] to other committees and other council
[1:36:55] members have asked about it and this way
[1:36:57] we can just give the update. We don't
[1:36:58] have to have it a back and forth. We can
[1:37:00] have the questions afterwards but the
[1:37:02] public knows what we're talking about
[1:37:03] and the city council. But to facilitate
[1:37:05] that, this just inserts a line item into
[1:37:09] the order to facilitate that. The
[1:37:11] requirement is actually already in our
[1:37:13] council rules. There just isn't
[1:37:16] something that says committee reports.
[1:37:18] Yeah, there isn't a line.
[1:37:19] >> Good. Call vote. I agree with
[1:37:22] >> Mr. Con.
[1:37:22] >> That to you. Hi
[1:37:25] >> L Stone.
[1:37:26] >> Yes.
[1:37:26] >> Fisher.
[1:37:27] >> Yes.
[1:37:27] >> Mrs. Zyus.
[1:37:28] >> Yes.
[1:37:29] >> Mrs. Le.
[1:37:30] >> Yes.
[1:37:31] >> President.
[1:37:32] >> Hi.
[1:37:34] >> Russo.
[1:37:35] >> Hi.
[1:37:36] >> President Ramos.
[1:37:37] >> Hi.
[1:37:38] >> Thank you.
[1:37:39] Thank you.
[1:37:40] >> Appreciate you guys.
[1:37:43] >> Ordinance for introduction. An ordinance
[1:37:45] amending chapter 74
[1:37:47] >> titled uh tobacco vending machines.
[1:37:50] >> Call vote.
[1:37:51] >> So, let's talk about this.
[1:37:52] >> No questions. [laughter]
[1:37:54] >> Wait a minute.
[1:37:55] >> I do have a lot of questions on this.
[1:37:57] >> Immediate.
[1:37:57] >> We got one day.
[1:37:58] >> There there is
[1:37:59] >> It's immediate.
[1:38:00] >> By the way, there there is a I mean
[1:38:01] there's a lot of stuff in here that I
[1:38:03] was reading that I have a lot of
[1:38:04] questions on. The
[1:38:06] >> phone you can ask next week.
[1:38:08] >> No. No. Time out. Time out. Council
[1:38:10] President, with all due respect, I love
[1:38:12] you to death. But but the reality is it
[1:38:14] passed. It's immediate. And if council
[1:38:16] members have questions, they most
[1:38:18] certainly could could ask them now.
[1:38:19] >> They can. I understand.
[1:38:20] >> You have to take [laughter] the council
[1:38:22] rule says you have to reading.
[1:38:24] >> No. No. Not the resolution.
[1:38:26] >> Not for uh
[1:38:27] >> All right.
[1:38:27] >> Mr. Firestone.
[1:38:29] >> No.
[1:38:30] >> Yes. I'm trying to get away with it.
[1:38:31] >> Fisher.
[1:38:32] >> You did, but that's all right.
[1:38:33] >> Yes.
[1:38:34] >> Mrs. Le.
[1:38:35] >> Yes.
[1:38:35] >> President.
[1:38:36] >> No. On first reading. There you go.
[1:38:38] >> Mr. Cano
[1:38:39] >> I
[1:38:40] >> suso
[1:38:41] >> no
[1:38:42] >> president Ramos
[1:38:44] >> I had I gave it to you Paul just the
[1:38:46] first reading
[1:38:47] >> introduction amending
[1:38:48] >> just so you could talk about it next
[1:38:49] time [laughter]
[1:38:51] >> ordinance amending chapter 116 entitled
[1:38:54] heating heating of buildings
[1:38:57] >> vote
[1:38:59] >> Mr. Constone
[1:39:01] >> yes
[1:39:02] >> Fisher
[1:39:02] >> yes
[1:39:03] >> Mrs. Zyus
[1:39:03] >> yes
[1:39:04] >> Mrs. ation.
[1:39:05] >> Yes.
[1:39:05] >> President.
[1:39:06] >> No. On first reading,
[1:39:08] >> Mr.
[1:39:10] >> Hi.
[1:39:12] >> I need if there's a
[1:39:14] >> I
[1:39:16] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:39:17] >> Hi.
[1:39:18] >> President Ramos.
[1:39:18] >> Hi.
[1:39:20] [snorts]
[1:39:24] » Orange introduction amending chapter 115
[1:39:27] health and sanitation codes.
[1:39:30] [snorts]
[1:39:31] >> Call vote.
[1:39:31] >> Mr. Con.
[1:39:32] >> Hi.
[1:39:33] >> Firestone. Yes,
[1:39:34] >> Fisher.
[1:39:35] >> Yes,
[1:39:36] >> Mr. Zyus.
[1:39:36] >> Yes,
[1:39:37] >> Mr. SL.
[1:39:38] >> Yes,
[1:39:38] >> President Zano.
[1:39:39] >> Yes, on first reading.
[1:39:41] as well.
[1:39:43] >> Mr. Russo,
[1:39:43] >> yes.
[1:39:44] >> President Ramos,
[1:39:45] >> Idance amending chapter 147 title mobile
[1:39:50] rent rental food vendors.
[1:39:52] >> Retail.
[1:39:53] >> Mr. Con,
[1:39:54] >> I stone.
[1:39:55] >> Yes.
[1:39:56] >> Fisher.
[1:39:57] >> Yes.
[1:39:57] >> Mrs. Yes.
[1:39:59] >> Mrs. Le.
[1:40:00] >> Yes.
[1:40:00] >> M presidento.
[1:40:02] >> Yes. On first reading. Hi,
[1:40:04] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:40:05] >> No
[1:40:07] president questions.
[1:40:10] >> Ordinance for introduction amending
[1:40:12] chapter 128 entitle permits for to
[1:40:14] modify license fees.
[1:40:19] >> Questions call vote.
[1:40:21] >> Mr. Con.
[1:40:22] >> I firestone.
[1:40:23] >> Yes.
[1:40:24] >> Fisher.
[1:40:24] >> Yes.
[1:40:25] >> Mrs. Zyus.
[1:40:26] >> Yes.
[1:40:26] >> Mrs. Le.
[1:40:27] >> Yes.
[1:40:28] >> President.
[1:40:29] >> No.
[1:40:31] >> Mr. Cano.
[1:40:32] >> Hi. Mr. Russo,
[1:40:33] >> no.
[1:40:34] >> President Ramos,
[1:40:35] >> I
[1:40:37] >> resolution for introduction amending
[1:40:39] chapter 192 parking for persons with
[1:40:41] disabilities
[1:40:43] and we remove ADA reserve space on
[1:40:46] Willow Avenue.
[1:40:47] >> Call vote.
[1:40:48] >> Mr. Con.
[1:40:48] >> Hi.
[1:40:49] >> Firestone.
[1:40:50] >> Yes.
[1:40:50] >> Fisher.
[1:40:51] >> Yes.
[1:40:52] >> Mr. Zyus.
[1:40:52] >> Yes.
[1:40:53] >> Mrs. Leon.
[1:40:54] >> Yes.
[1:40:54] >> President Zano.
[1:40:55] >> Hi.
[1:40:56] >> Mr. Cano.
[1:40:57] >> Hi.
[1:40:57] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:40:58] >> Hi.
[1:40:59] >> President Ramos.
[1:41:00] >> Hi.
[1:41:02] Uh introduction ordinance amending
[1:41:04] chapter 192-6.1
[1:41:08] entitled restricting parking for police
[1:41:10] vehicles, fire vehicles and official
[1:41:13] business to remove restricted parking
[1:41:15] spaces for official business for the
[1:41:17] Hudson County at the Hoboka multi
[1:41:20] multi-ervice center.
[1:41:22] >> Call vote.
[1:41:23] >> Mr. Con.
[1:41:23] >> Hi.
[1:41:24] >> Firestone.
[1:41:25] >> Yes.
[1:41:25] >> Fisher.
[1:41:26] >> Yes.
[1:41:26] >> Mr. Zyus.
[1:41:27] >> Yes.
[1:41:28] >> Mrs. Lac.
[1:41:29] >> Yes.
[1:41:29] >> President.
[1:41:30] >> Hi.
[1:41:30] >> Mr. O
[1:41:32] >> I
[1:41:32] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:41:33] >> Hi.
[1:41:34] >> President Ramos.
[1:41:35] >> Hi.
[1:41:36] >> Board for introduction amending chapter
[1:41:38] 196 zoning to create new zoning
[1:41:41] districts willow terrace residential
[1:41:44] preserv preservation and amend the city
[1:41:48] zoning map and
[1:41:50] cooperative of the new New Jersey the
[1:41:53] new zoning district.
[1:41:55] >> Mr. Con.
[1:41:56] >> Hi.
[1:41:57] >> Wstone.
[1:41:58] >> Yes.
[1:41:58] >> Fisher.
[1:41:59] >> Yes.
[1:42:00] >> Mrs. Zyus. Yes.
[1:42:02] >> Yes.
[1:42:02] >> President Zano.
[1:42:03] >> Hi,
[1:42:04] >> Mr. Cterero.
[1:42:05] >> Hi,
[1:42:05] >> Mr. Russo.
[1:42:06] >> Hi,
[1:42:07] >> President Ramos.
[1:42:07] >> I CD Community Development Resolution
[1:42:10] CD4.
[1:42:12] >> Send it to
[1:42:14] >> We already voted.
[1:42:14] >> We did. We should have the ordinance.
[1:42:17] >> All right. Felicia, public portion.
[1:42:19] Felicia Jones.
[1:42:21] >> What?
[1:42:27] » Hi, Felicia. Welcome. You get five
[1:42:29] minutes from Felicia. Excellent. All
[1:42:30] right. Um, hello council members and
[1:42:34] Hoboken residents. My name is Felicia
[1:42:36] and I live right up the hill in North
[1:42:37] Bergen. So, as you all know and I know
[1:42:40] the great pains of trying to get down
[1:42:42] the hill back to Hoboken. Um, as a
[1:42:44] skater, I know these streets inside and
[1:42:46] out. As a foodie, I know our local
[1:42:47] shops. And as a dog mom, my boy Ekko
[1:42:50] nearly takes my arm off trying to get to
[1:42:52] the parks that are in this area. As a
[1:42:54] manager though, I make it my absolute
[1:42:56] business to know my neighbors and my
[1:42:58] customers. For the past two years, I've
[1:43:00] served as a manager at the green room
[1:43:01] right here in Hoboken. Actually, one
[1:43:03] block away right there. Um, I work I
[1:43:06] work handinand with our owners. Each
[1:43:08] team member and many of the great folks
[1:43:10] who flood the streets coming from the
[1:43:12] path. I get to say hi by name and know
[1:43:14] them personally. There's something truly
[1:43:17] special about being able to lean out
[1:43:18] your window and wave to a neighbor and
[1:43:20] know them, know their face, know what
[1:43:22] they like, know when they enjoy. Thanks
[1:43:24] to the green room and the unique charm
[1:43:26] of the city, I've built deep
[1:43:27] friendships, personal connections, and a
[1:43:29] real sense of community. That's what
[1:43:31] Hoboken craves. That's what a Hoboken
[1:43:33] is. I know that the business that my
[1:43:36] industry is sometimes carries a stigma
[1:43:39] because operators who don't run things
[1:43:40] clean are right. But that is not who we
[1:43:43] are. Our business is transparent, highly
[1:43:45] responsible, and driven above all for
[1:43:48] customer safety and satisfaction. Every
[1:43:51] day, I have the privilege of educating
[1:43:52] our community on the life-changing
[1:43:54] benefits of cannabis. We support our
[1:43:56] neighbors dealing with daily anxiety and
[1:43:58] sleep trouble in a fast-paced world that
[1:44:00] frankly causes everybody high blood
[1:44:01] pressure. More importantly, we help
[1:44:03] people living with severe conditions
[1:44:05] like cancer, Parkinson's, lupus,
[1:44:07] postsurgery recoveries, individuals of
[1:44:10] any age enduring pain and discomfort
[1:44:12] that often can feel unbearable. Our our
[1:44:14] topical relief cream, for example,
[1:44:16] offers comfort that many in our
[1:44:17] community cannot find anywhere else. In
[1:44:19] fact, I know for a fact that people who
[1:44:23] work in this very building use it
[1:44:24] because I've met you at our counters.
[1:44:26] I've seen your faces. I try to get to
[1:44:27] know everybody's names. Even our furry
[1:44:30] friends that can't handle car rides or
[1:44:31] visits without panicking and shaking.
[1:44:33] They have a product designed for them to
[1:44:36] help them made by us. Whenever somebody
[1:44:38] walks through my doors, my goal is
[1:44:39] simple, to be fully educated on every
[1:44:42] product so our neighbors feel confident,
[1:44:44] safe, and supported and getting the
[1:44:46] relief that they need. We are one
[1:44:47] community, and we all need help
[1:44:49] sometimes. The green room is an
[1:44:51] essential part of Hoboken's fabric. That
[1:44:53] is why I'm standing before you tonight
[1:44:55] to share my story and to ask for your
[1:44:57] help. A letter of support from this
[1:44:58] council is critical. It will allow us to
[1:45:01] obtain our official license so we can
[1:45:03] continue running our business the way
[1:45:04] that it is, serving our community and
[1:45:06] protecting my employment as a cannabis
[1:45:08] retail management. If the green room
[1:45:10] closes, a vital part of this community
[1:45:12] and our team's livelihoods goes with it.
[1:45:14] Please help us keep our doors open.
[1:45:16] Please put your support towards helping
[1:45:17] the residents of Hoboken find the relief
[1:45:20] that they crave. I thank you for your
[1:45:22] time. I hope to see you guys all play
[1:45:24] pool at the green room.
[1:45:26] >> Thank you.
[1:45:26] >> Yes.
[1:45:26] >> Thank you,
[1:45:27] >> Elizabeth Adams.
[1:45:41] Good evening. Tonight I would like to
[1:45:44] address a topic that even though by now
[1:45:47] I'm sure we have all heard ad nauseium
[1:45:51] still needs to be discussed and that is
[1:45:54] the topic of breast cancer. Now before
[1:45:58] you all roll your eyes I would like to
[1:46:00] make you aware of a few things as well
[1:46:03] as explain my connection with the
[1:46:05] subject and why I have had a particular
[1:46:08] interest in it for quite a number of
[1:46:10] years now. Firstly, I would like to
[1:46:14] state that this issue does not only
[1:46:16] concern women of a certain age. In
[1:46:20] reality, in recent years, there has been
[1:46:23] an actual rise in the number of young
[1:46:26] women acquiring this disease. It has
[1:46:29] become the leading cause of cancer death
[1:46:32] in women ages 20 to 49.
[1:46:35] When I was a child, the rate of
[1:46:37] acquisition of this illness was 1 in 10.
[1:46:41] Now it is 1 in 8. And gentlemen, if you
[1:46:46] believe that you are immune from this
[1:46:47] problem, while it is rare, it is also
[1:46:51] not an impossibility purely by virtue of
[1:46:54] your gender. So the next time that you
[1:46:57] are in the shower or bath, start feeling
[1:47:00] around. Life you save may very well be
[1:47:04] your own.
[1:47:06] And now we come to my particular
[1:47:08] connection with this issue. As I
[1:47:11] previously discussed, my mother was the
[1:47:13] eldest of three sisters. The middle one
[1:47:16] was my godmother, my aunt Irene.
[1:47:20] In 1986, she acquired breast cancer and
[1:47:24] underwent a double mastctomy.
[1:47:26] She at that time had no follow-up
[1:47:30] chemotherapy, however, as the physician
[1:47:32] in charge at the time believed that he
[1:47:35] had gotten it all, dismissing the
[1:47:38] possible presence of microscopic cancer
[1:47:41] cells. My aunt very unfortunately chose
[1:47:46] to trust his advice.
[1:47:48] Fast forward to September of 1992.
[1:47:52] One day, as she bent over to tie her
[1:47:55] sneakers, she both heard and felt a
[1:47:58] cracking sound and sensation.
[1:48:01] This is how she discovered the
[1:48:03] recurrence of the cancer. Six years
[1:48:06] later, the microscopic cancer cells that
[1:48:09] were not addressed by follow-up
[1:48:11] chemotherapy multiplied
[1:48:14] and consumed the marrow of the bones of
[1:48:18] her rib cage. It was discovered that the
[1:48:21] cancer also spread to her reproductive
[1:48:24] organs and a few weeks later in October
[1:48:28] she underwent a complete hysterctomy.
[1:48:31] The expert physicians then attempted to
[1:48:35] treat her with chemotherapy but by this
[1:48:37] time it amounted to being the equivalent
[1:48:40] of being a day late and a dollar short.
[1:48:43] Her condition further deteriorated
[1:48:46] in March of 1993.
[1:48:49] She underwent radiation treatments. This
[1:48:52] only served to further deteriorate her
[1:48:54] condition. And four months later,
[1:48:59] on July 14th of 1993,
[1:49:02] my mother and I witnessed her die, a
[1:49:05] miserable and agonizing death.
[1:49:08] I cannot emphasize enough my complete
[1:49:12] and total anger and disgust not only at
[1:49:15] the medical establishment but also her
[1:49:18] son, my cousin, who very unfortunately
[1:49:22] had medical power of attorney concerning
[1:49:24] her so-called care and in whom she very
[1:49:27] sadly placed her trust.
[1:49:30] There are several lessons to be learned
[1:49:32] regarding my aunt's story. Chief among
[1:49:36] them being the realization that at the
[1:49:38] end of the day, it is you and you alone
[1:49:42] who must ultimately take responsibility
[1:49:45] for your health, your body, and your
[1:49:48] life. Failure to be proactive in these
[1:49:51] regards and also firstly and foremost to
[1:49:55] trust your instincts very sadly resulted
[1:49:59] in what I believe was my aunt's very
[1:50:02] untimely death.
[1:50:04] It is important to note that up until my
[1:50:07] aunt became ill, there had never been
[1:50:10] any cancer in our family until then.
[1:50:15] I have more to say on this subject.
[1:50:17] However, it will have to wait for
[1:50:19] another time.
[1:50:21] Lastly,
[1:50:23] I would like to observe a moment of
[1:50:25] silence for the over 1,200 people,
[1:50:32] including people from our own state of
[1:50:34] New Jersey who on this day three years
[1:50:37] ago were brutally murdered in Israel by
[1:50:41] the butchers of Hamas.
[1:50:52] Amen.
[1:50:53] >> May their memories be for a blessing
[1:50:56] always. And just as with 911,
[1:51:01] may we never ever forget.
[1:51:04] >> Thank you for your time.
[1:51:05] >> Thank you, Liz.
[1:51:07] Really appreciate you. Thank you.
[1:51:10] >> Pascalina, here we go.
[1:51:16] I'm happy to be here.
[1:51:17] >> Yep. You're ready.
[1:51:17] >> Happy to be here. Not mad. Happy to tell
[1:51:21] what happened in a book. I am happy. I
[1:51:24] sit I stay in a bunch of sheep. Scared
[1:51:27] of the wolf. First of all
[1:51:30] scared the wolf. The sheep. I'm not a
[1:51:33] sheep. I'm [snorts] not scared.
[1:51:35] >> Sheep. Okay.
[1:51:35] >> Sheep.
[1:51:38] » You understand what sheep?
[1:51:40] >> Sheep. Yes. Yes. I thought you said
[1:51:41] something.
[1:51:42] >> Good. I'm no sheep. I not scared of the
[1:51:44] wolf.
[1:51:46] He tried to steal me 27,000. I got all
[1:51:49] the sweet sh Mariano lo he said to me if
[1:51:53] you not pay I put lean in your house.
[1:51:56] What's the reason? I said because when
[1:51:58] you buy you pay very cheap not worth the
[1:52:00] money. So I the go down you give me the
[1:52:04] money. I don't care. He put the s witch
[1:52:08] of joy in charge. She said me so many
[1:52:13] layer you got to be arrested. I said no
[1:52:15] it's an account. I said you should be
[1:52:17] arrested 30 years ago. You still money
[1:52:19] too many people.
[1:52:21] Mariana still money too many people. The
[1:52:24] lawyer Loren Lafar 51 and he told me
[1:52:29] Loren Lafar lawyer. He told me Martian
[1:52:33] he give ordinarian
[1:52:35] law he give ordin
[1:52:38] people he give ordin
[1:52:40] people he arrest everybody for money he
[1:52:44] said the mafia is the bosia
[1:52:48] no law like a mafia have no you
[1:52:51] understand no valia
[1:52:58] so he cannot win three timeing gold she
[1:53:02] bring and he decide I not give a
[1:53:05] handicap
[1:53:06] I don't mind you know give him if I have
[1:53:08] already 10 years ago or five years ago
[1:53:11] or three years ago I not be [snorts]
[1:53:12] here talk you understand I find a lot of
[1:53:15] thing
[1:53:16] even this s
[1:53:22] another gang organizer crime
[1:53:25] they s who steal $250
[1:53:29] every
[1:53:33] 200,000 years all the gang organiz
[1:53:40] and many many many more people involved
[1:53:45] so the shall
[1:53:50] who collaborate
[1:53:52] with the mafia guilty you understand if
[1:53:56] somebody have not valor the said we
[1:53:58] cannot listen the what You say every
[1:54:02] lady with 10 years he put a sign all up.
[1:54:06] Three days ago I think it was Saturday I
[1:54:09] passed the go to the bank and he set 52
[1:54:13] to Newark no bar. I think
[1:54:18] I pass well the people of the for the
[1:54:22] meeting people they call me and say you
[1:54:24] told everybody that I got to go. I say
[1:54:27] yeah remember first you are Kard
[1:54:33] money then you put Roberto many more he
[1:54:37] want me to respect as a lawyer
[1:54:40] is no law above the lawyer I told he
[1:54:45] just want to be scared the ship no I not
[1:54:49] leave 100 years like a ship one day like
[1:54:55] lying
[1:55:00] How come the people one know I don't
[1:55:03] know you think I believe one said you
[1:55:06] got to bring another
[1:55:09] said the people of the meeting call me
[1:55:12] which one of you call him
[1:55:15] he said the people at the meeting call
[1:55:17] me they said you talk everybody know B I
[1:55:21] don't want just the people of B I want
[1:55:23] people all in New Jersey I told them I
[1:55:26] When I say I know you, I know your
[1:55:28] sister. I know your brother-in-law
[1:55:30] Andrew. I know all everything. What the
[1:55:34] hell you think?
[1:55:36] What revenge? What I give a he put a
[1:55:41] sign all over and nobody say no. We
[1:55:44] cannot listen to you because you know
[1:55:48] we cannot collaborate with you.
[1:55:53] scared.
[1:55:59] You understand?
[1:56:02] That's wrong.
[1:56:08] Change all this when she bring so many
[1:56:11] time. You got to be arrest.
[1:56:15] I went to police so many times.
[1:56:16] >> Your time's running out, Pascalina.
[1:56:18] Thank you very much. You're not a sheep.
[1:56:21] That's for sure.
[1:56:21] >> I'm no sheep. You're not
[1:56:24] sheep.
[1:56:26] We could take a vote on that. N nothing.
[1:56:29] >> Thank you.
[1:56:36] » Somebody going to come.
[1:56:37] >> Thank you, Pascalina. It's Pat.
[1:56:39] >> Thank you.
[1:56:55] Pastor. It's Pat's turn.
[1:56:58] >> This I'm trying to
[1:57:00] >> Could y'all just do me one favor,
[1:57:02] please? For real.
[1:57:04] >> I I got this from a time to kill, but
[1:57:06] it's so true. Close your eyes and
[1:57:08] imagine that's one of y'all mothers
[1:57:09] standing at this microphone. Seriously,
[1:57:12] just close your eyes and relax and think
[1:57:15] she's telling you she's crying for help.
[1:57:18] When y'all run for office, your soul
[1:57:20] duty is to take action of the people.
[1:57:23] Y'all, come on. Y'all is breaking my
[1:57:26] heart, man. Listen, listen. She's not
[1:57:29] lying. I'm speaking through actions. And
[1:57:32] you know exactly who I'm talking about.
[1:57:34] Reuben, I couldn't walk. I was on chemo.
[1:57:37] And just cuz they didn't like pat
[1:57:39] waiters, council people will come to me
[1:57:41] on the street and say, "Oh, you going to
[1:57:43] never get your handicap spot." And like
[1:57:45] me and Manny told y'all earlier, I'm not
[1:57:47] the right color and I don't have the
[1:57:49] right money. Cuz if I did, I would have
[1:57:52] sued the mess out of this city. I would
[1:57:54] have did just like Perry Barrel Ferryy
[1:57:56] and them back in the days. I would have
[1:57:58] sued this city. And y'all don't care
[1:58:00] because that's taxpayer money. Y'all
[1:58:03] feel like y'all qualified immune. I'm
[1:58:05] from qualified immune. I'm qualified
[1:58:07] from that. I'm exempt from with
[1:58:09] qualified immunity. Y'all got to stop.
[1:58:11] I'm serious. It's scary. And what's
[1:58:13] happening is the wrong person is getting
[1:58:15] in the chair to serve as a mayor. And
[1:58:18] that's why we all suffering.
[1:58:21] Two years going to come so fast. And I'm
[1:58:23] telling you people, stop stopping me in
[1:58:25] the street if they not going to do
[1:58:26] what's right. I do what's right by
[1:58:30] everybody. And I feel I swear I tried to
[1:58:32] refrain from not saying nothing. But to
[1:58:34] see that lady and I know they tried it
[1:58:36] on me and that bring me back to what I'm
[1:58:39] talking about with this prosecutor
[1:58:41] Belise that y'all got on the agenda
[1:58:43] tonight. Let me make sure I get it right
[1:58:46] cuz I'm going to the state. I'mma go beg
[1:58:48] Leticia James to come to Hoboken
[1:58:51] CC1.
[1:58:53] It says amending the professional
[1:58:56] service contracts with I can't even
[1:58:59] pronounce his name. Baise. Anyway, y'all
[1:59:01] bringing him back as the municipal
[1:59:03] prosecutor, wasn't he here? He was here,
[1:59:06] right, Mike? And he left.
[1:59:09] [clears throat] This guy was here as the
[1:59:11] prosecutor. And if I'm wrong, I'm I'mma
[1:59:13] wait for y'all in the morning to get
[1:59:15] back in touch with me because see, I
[1:59:18] like I discussed with the director, too.
[1:59:20] You got to take law real serious, okay?
[1:59:23] Because that's the first line of
[1:59:25] defense. I had a very bad experience, me
[1:59:28] and my son. Seemma like apparently
[1:59:30] nobody don't want to address it. And we
[1:59:32] had a prosecutor on his case that
[1:59:36] conducted prosecutionatory
[1:59:38] misconduct. Did I say it right, Lawyer
[1:59:41] Cohen? Because I'm familiar with the law
[1:59:44] and I respect you and your language with
[1:59:46] the law and I want to be respected and I
[1:59:48] know I said it right. So I came just as
[1:59:50] a lame citizen with no money to afford
[1:59:53] an attorney and I was prosay and right
[1:59:56] here in this city where y'all voted for
[1:59:58] these prosecutors prosecutionatory
[2:00:01] misconduct. I said it. I wrote it in
[2:00:03] writing. The cleanest thing y'all got in
[2:00:05] this city is Benjamin Joy. Can I tell
[2:00:07] you why, please? And I got to share
[2:00:09] this. Under Mayor Zimmer, I came to
[2:00:12] court for a parking ticket with my
[2:00:13] elderly mother than dying from cancer.
[2:00:15] We sat right there. When they said the
[2:00:17] next one, Patricia Waiters, he wouldn't
[2:00:19] even let me walk up in front of him. He
[2:00:21] said, "I can't see her. I got to excuse
[2:00:23] myself cuz she's a very good friend of
[2:00:25] mine. She voted for me at the council
[2:00:27] meeting, but I didn't vote for him. I
[2:00:29] spoke about him and he wouldn't even see
[2:00:32] my case and he changed the venue." Now,
[2:00:34] tell me that's not integrity. Integrity
[2:00:37] is doing the right thing when nobody
[2:00:39] looking. Integrity is doing the right
[2:00:42] thing behind closed doors. Integrity is
[2:00:44] doing the right thing when you got to go
[2:00:46] against your friend that put you on
[2:00:48] their ticket and spent a lot of money
[2:00:50] and say you they god daughter. Okay.
[2:00:53] Integrity is saying, "Hey, I can't do
[2:00:55] this cuz I don't know where I'm going to
[2:00:57] be when my term is up." That's what
[2:01:00] integrity is. And it bothers me cuz
[2:01:02] y'all could say what y'all want out your
[2:01:04] mouth. I spoke to all of y'all at
[2:01:06] lecture time. I look at your actions. I
[2:01:09] solely look at your actions and I give
[2:01:10] you respect. this prosecutor. Mr.
[2:01:14] President, I'm leaving this in your lap
[2:01:16] because you the president of the count.
[2:01:17] Please look into this. Please, I'm
[2:01:20] wrapping it up with my last three
[2:01:21] minutes.
[2:01:22] >> 30 seconds.
[2:01:22] >> The reason I get upset every time y'all
[2:01:25] mention HHA, they really still feel in
[2:01:27] their heart they forgotten about. We
[2:01:29] sick and tired of being sick and tired.
[2:01:31] And don't say y'all don't turn on y'all
[2:01:33] phones every day. And the blacks seem
[2:01:35] like we under attack. This been
[2:01:38] happening to us for years. So the public
[2:01:40] looking at it like, "Oh, they're used to
[2:01:41] it." No, we not. Tonight, one of y'all
[2:01:44] said that. I think it was my dear friend
[2:01:46] Firestone. Let us get a chance. We knew
[2:01:49] here. We don't know what's going on. I'm
[2:01:51] giving y'all the opportunity to change.
[2:01:53] Please go down to the housing authority
[2:01:55] now that you won. Okay? Please, cuz
[2:01:59] those people need help. All of this
[2:02:01] money I'm seeing for grants and CDB, GO
[2:02:04] CLEAN THEIR HOUSES IN THE INSIDE. The
[2:02:06] infrastructure is horrible.
[2:02:08] >> Mold everywhere. Thank you, Pat.
[2:02:11] >> Thank you. You're welcome. And I'm
[2:02:12] wrapping this up to thank everybody from
[2:02:15] the HHA that attended, including my
[2:02:17] fourth war councilman, my birthday party
[2:02:20] in the rain, and a lot of them sick to
[2:02:22] this day. I appreciate it. We can't
[2:02:24] control mother nature, but thank all of
[2:02:26] you that showed up.
[2:02:27] >> Thank you, Pat.
[2:02:27] >> Thank y'all. I told you I was going to
[2:02:28] say this house under the hurry. I always
[2:02:30] got your back.
[2:02:32] >> Manuel Riveraire.
[2:02:45] Thank you, Council President. Good
[2:02:46] evening, Manuel Vas. Six W. Council
[2:02:48] President, I want to start off quickly
[2:02:49] because that clock starts moving fast. I
[2:02:51] want to thank um members of the council,
[2:02:54] especially my sixword representative. I
[2:02:57] took a second bite at the app. See, I I
[2:03:00] am a Justice. I put this sign up because
[2:03:02] I forgot to mention it when I was in in
[2:03:04] a consent agenda and my council woman
[2:03:07] was able to catch it. Not council member
[2:03:09] um President Zano because he didn't have
[2:03:11] his glasses on. So, uh I'll give you a
[2:03:13] pass on that one, sir. But I appreciate
[2:03:15] it. And Council President, I also want
[2:03:17] to say that um there was a lot of
[2:03:20] discussion and I appreciate again the
[2:03:23] clarity that was said is all that
[2:03:25] members of the public want. um the
[2:03:27] discussion on J86, although it was a
[2:03:30] little bit contentious, but it was I'm
[2:03:32] sure it wasn't personal, but I
[2:03:35] appreciate it and members of the public
[2:03:36] do appreciate it. And um that's what we
[2:03:39] need. We need discussion. We need to
[2:03:40] know what is happening with these
[2:03:43] ordinances. And again, I just want to
[2:03:45] say thank you for all of that. And um
[2:03:48] also, I want to say that I have to put
[2:03:52] on my glasses.
[2:03:54] also want to say that the city codes are
[2:03:57] important because they are the law that
[2:04:01] needs to be followed by the developers
[2:04:05] as well as the small um landlords. So my
[2:04:09] pet peeve is that that things happen and
[2:04:12] you took off J72 and J75 this evening
[2:04:16] which were very contentious in the
[2:04:18] planning board meeting. Um, council
[2:04:21] president and council member Firestone
[2:04:22] can give testimony to that that I was
[2:04:25] there listening to the conversations and
[2:04:28] there is a lot of work that needs to be
[2:04:29] done before you bring these two back
[2:04:32] because there is um controversy in
[2:04:35] regards to the parking that is going to
[2:04:37] be allowed for the developers and it is
[2:04:40] important that you decide and listen to
[2:04:42] that better and listen to um members of
[2:04:44] the zoning board. um they had very good
[2:04:47] um information. Council, former council
[2:04:50] member and mayor Doyle had very good
[2:04:53] points as well I think is Commissioner
[2:04:55] Martin. So maybe reach out to them.
[2:04:57] Council President, with that I'm going
[2:04:58] to say um to all to all um the residents
[2:05:02] especially in myella who just left um
[2:05:06] Pascalina
[2:05:08] boner boner
[2:05:11] bon feliche
[2:05:14] patrimonal americano president if you
[2:05:17] want me to translate I will. It just is
[2:05:19] um uh wishing uh our Hoboken
[2:05:23] Italian-American family a very happy
[2:05:25] Italian-American Heritage Month to all of you who are on the council,
[2:05:30] members of the public. Uh just want to
[2:05:32] say that council president again it was
[2:05:35] mentioned before a member of the public
[2:05:37] said it and I also want to thank you all
[2:05:40] for on the last meeting. I guess I just
[2:05:43] u am no longer the unofficial consoler
[2:05:46] of the council because some of you took
[2:05:48] the opportunity to mention a few of your
[2:05:50] close um uh friends and uh constituents.
[2:05:54] So I appreciate that. Uh maybe I'll come
[2:05:56] back in another point, but uh today I
[2:05:58] just want to say that it is again as a
[2:06:00] member of the public said it is uh
[2:06:02] October 7th and we want to remember uh
[2:06:04] the lives that were lost and the
[2:06:06] families that for were forever affected
[2:06:08] by the terrorist attacks in Israel on
[2:06:11] October 7th. We still pray for them.
[2:06:13] Pray for their families. We pray for the
[2:06:15] survivors who are still suffering
[2:06:16] perhaps the scars of their detention.
[2:06:20] And we ask the Almighty um to have them
[2:06:22] always in safe in a safe and
[2:06:28] secure place in their hearts and souls.
[2:06:30] Council President, we pray for them
[2:06:32] always and we thank you all for for um
[2:06:35] putting the attention. And Dana, like I
[2:06:36] said before, council president, it is
[2:06:38] very important that this council have
[2:06:40] always the best interest of the people.
[2:06:42] Communication is everything. It's key.
[2:06:45] It is important for us to understand and
[2:06:47] know the ins and outs of these agendas
[2:06:50] so that people can feel comfortable when
[2:06:53] they are representative vote on their
[2:06:55] regards. I know the time is going fast.
[2:06:58] There are a lot of meetings. There is a
[2:06:59] cannabis meeting on the 22nd. It's very
[2:07:02] important that people who are interested
[2:07:03] to attend is via Zoom I believe. And
[2:07:06] with that, Council President, because my
[2:07:08] time is running quickly, I just want to
[2:07:11] say, as I said, and I say always, I flub
[2:07:15] flubbed it last meeting, but I will take
[2:07:18] my time now and say to my beloved
[2:07:21] Ukraine, although I am not Ukrainian,
[2:07:23] Slava Ukraine, glory to Ukraine. Herm
[2:07:26] Slava, glory to the heroes. And with
[2:07:29] that, Council President, God bless you.
[2:07:31] all. God bless the men and
[2:07:33] women in our armed services that are
[2:07:35] serving in harm's way. May they return
[2:07:36] to their families safe and soon. And God
[2:07:40] bless Hoboken. And with that, Council
[2:07:41] President, I yield [snorts] with two
[2:07:43] minutes to spare. Thank you.
[2:07:44] >> No time because you nothing left.
[2:07:47] >> Joseph Cortez.
[2:07:50] >> Thank you, Manny.
[2:07:55] » Hello every concert member. Uh sorry,
[2:07:57] I'm exhausted, so just give me a little
[2:08:00] bit here. Uh, basically I'm here with a
[2:08:02] few other people from the green room.
[2:08:04] Uh, I helped actually I'm the family
[2:08:06] manager there. Uh, unfortunately the
[2:08:08] owner Derek and Coner couldn't be here.
[2:08:10] They're actually both uh groomsmen at
[2:08:13] different weddings, so they couldn't
[2:08:15] show, but uh I did hear there's a
[2:08:18] cannabis board meeting or something on
[2:08:20] the 22nd. Uh, beautiful. So, they will
[2:08:23] be attending that one. Basically, I'm
[2:08:25] just here to give a little story. Um, if
[2:08:28] none of you or if any of you are aware
[2:08:30] of what's going on in the cannabis
[2:08:32] world, um, there are things happening
[2:08:34] with specifically the hemp industry,
[2:08:37] which we're in. Um,
[2:08:41] in November, things were going to be
[2:08:43] changing for us, which means the store
[2:08:45] would have to basically completely
[2:08:46] close. All of the products we have, CBD
[2:08:50] based, which has no high whatsoever,
[2:08:52] changes with the new legislations
[2:08:54] federally. Um, we're basically just
[2:08:56] trying to
[2:08:58] get ourselves in the door if we're able
[2:09:00] to get an actual cannabis license
[2:09:02] instead of a hemp's license. Uh, in
[2:09:04] December this year, as long as nothing
[2:09:07] changes, the doors will have to close.
[2:09:10] The laws are very finicky, I would say,
[2:09:14] how they're doing things. Even though
[2:09:16] the percentage of THC is below that
[2:09:18] actually gets a person stoned, which is
[2:09:21] not what we do generally, uh CBD is just
[2:09:25] for health information, aches and pains,
[2:09:28] things like that. Even though the THC
[2:09:32] content is below what is going to be
[2:09:34] done, they're changing the laws that
[2:09:36] it's even less. And any product that
[2:09:39] doesn't even have THC and is hemp
[2:09:41] derived doesn't count for CBD basically
[2:09:44] anymore. They're basically just forcing
[2:09:45] places to get a actual license to do
[2:09:49] marijuana derived things, not hemp
[2:09:51] derived things. So, realistically, we're
[2:09:54] just seeing if you would give us a
[2:09:56] support letter to be able to get said
[2:09:58] cannabis license uh for marijuana
[2:10:02] derived things, not hemp derived things.
[2:10:05] Uh
[2:10:06] I know it is a very weird gray space. I
[2:10:10] know there is a cannabis board that is
[2:10:12] doing things. the owners have had
[2:10:14] multiple conversations, been here
[2:10:16] multiple times to talk about it. Um, but
[2:10:20] yeah, we're really just here to help
[2:10:22] people and keep going, keep doing
[2:10:25] things. Been doing this for eight years
[2:10:26] now and it's kind of crazy the uh
[2:10:29] stories and things that CBD in general
[2:10:32] helps with people and yeah, we're just
[2:10:35] trying to really see if you would give
[2:10:37] us a letter of support to keep us going
[2:10:39] basically. uh if that is a thing that's
[2:10:42] possible, you know, we would love to
[2:10:43] keep going. We know there is already a
[2:10:46] certain amount of dispensaries in town.
[2:10:48] There's certain amount of licenses. Uh
[2:10:50] we do already manufacture in Richfield,
[2:10:53] so it's completely different town,
[2:10:54] different license obviously. Uh but
[2:10:57] basically, we're at the point where
[2:10:58] we're being forced to
[2:11:01] change to this license. Um, it was never
[2:11:04] something we really wanted to do, but if
[2:11:07] we're forced to, we would open up and
[2:11:10] basically make things as close to what
[2:11:12] we do as possible. Keep doing what we
[2:11:15] doing, but just switch where the product
[2:11:18] actually comes from. Um, yeah, I think
[2:11:21] that's about it. Please, you know, if
[2:11:24] it's possible, let us know if it is.
[2:11:26] It's really something we're trying to
[2:11:28] keep going and do things right.
[2:11:31] Basically, we've been doing it for 8
[2:11:32] years. I mean, haven't had any troubles
[2:11:35] or anything from then. And uh yeah, we
[2:11:38] just like to I I love to keep my job
[2:11:41] basically. That's that's about where
[2:11:43] we're at. Uh but yeah, that's it. Thank
[2:11:45] you for the time.
[2:11:46] >> Thank you, buddy. Appreciate you, buddy.
[2:11:47] Thank you.
[2:11:50] >> Wer Palano. Wander.
[2:11:54] [snorts]
[2:11:58] » Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Um
[2:12:00] I'm here on behalf of uh Bland Barberhop
[2:12:04] um regarding Green Room and what they're
[2:12:07] going through right now. Um I initially
[2:12:10] came to Hoboken in 2018 and I worked for
[2:12:13] Russell Basil across the street which is
[2:12:15] a feature you guys probably know. Um, it
[2:12:18] helped me get started and eventually I
[2:12:20] opened up my own business which is a
[2:12:21] barber shop and uh, if you guys already
[2:12:25] know, Green Room is literally right next
[2:12:27] to to Basil and I got to meet Derek
[2:12:30] which was an became an amazing friend
[2:12:31] and inspired me to open up my own
[2:12:33] business. So, um, I'm not a cannabis
[2:12:36] consumer or hemp but I believe in him
[2:12:39] and I just come to support him as a
[2:12:41] person, as a business owner. Um, he was
[2:12:43] always very generous to all of us at the establishment. uh only heard
[2:12:47] great things about him and he helped us
[2:12:49] uh grow and uh yeah I believe in him and
[2:12:53] everything he's accomplished. I think
[2:12:55] he's was able to open about uh seven
[2:12:58] locations in a matter of two years and
[2:13:00] you don't do that by uh doing the wrong
[2:13:03] things and uh he just did right by
[2:13:05] people and did right by the community
[2:13:08] and as soon as I heard that he needed
[2:13:09] some support I just rushed over here for
[2:13:11] my personal business and uh just came to show him support uh as he supported
[2:13:17] me and I think that
[2:13:20] I I believe in family and I believe in
[2:13:23] people and Uh, I believe that you guys
[2:13:26] will hopefully give him a letter of
[2:13:27] support to continue his business that
[2:13:30] not only supports uh him and his family,
[2:13:32] but supports our families as well as the people that he uh employs.
[2:13:37] Um, like I said, I'm sure um you guys uh
[2:13:41] have the means and the power to maybe
[2:13:44] convince or sway some of the laws and
[2:13:46] the policies. Everything is changing
[2:13:48] rapidly. Um uh my business is in
[2:13:51] downtown Jersey City. So every time I
[2:13:53] come to Hoboken, it just looks like a
[2:13:55] whole different new place. Um I don't
[2:13:57] know what's going on, but I just hope
[2:13:58] that um Hoboken retains its identity and
[2:14:02] it's essential that it the local
[2:14:03] businesses, the small ones at least, um
[2:14:06] remain so that way that people feel like
[2:14:08] they have a home to come back to. Um
[2:14:10] anyways, I'm very grateful for
[2:14:12] everything Hoboken has done for me. Um,
[2:14:14] I love the people here and I love uh
[2:14:17] what the people represent and yeah,
[2:14:19] that's all I got to say. So, thank you
[2:14:21] guys.
[2:14:21] >> Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for
[2:14:22] being here. Enrique Herrera.
[2:14:32] » How's it going, guys? Uh, I wanted to
[2:14:34] just bring up two topics. The first one
[2:14:35] is the green room. Uh, I had a very
[2:14:38] specific situation happen with Blue
[2:14:40] Violet and their issue involving the 600
[2:14:43] foot rule and everything and
[2:14:44] grandfathering them was essential with
[2:14:48] the amount of support that they had. I
[2:14:49] would support some sense of a measure of
[2:14:51] um postponing any type of closure uh
[2:14:54] because of a shift in the hemp law. Um,
[2:14:57] I would say maybe even give them a
[2:14:58] chance to work up something involving
[2:15:01] grandfathering themselves in since that
[2:15:02] was like the first hemp uh cannabis
[2:15:04] thing in Hoboken before, you know, it's
[2:15:06] like the precursor of the dispensaries.
[2:15:08] We don't want to throw them under the
[2:15:10] bus and then putting in new dispensaries
[2:15:11] and keep those guys um out of jobs. So,
[2:15:14] hey, uh, every time we close down a
[2:15:16] dispensary or any type of hemp based
[2:15:18] topic, um, that's just another drug
[2:15:20] dealer walking right in saying, "I got
[2:15:22] customers." Uh so you know make sure we
[2:15:24] just show some respect for those um
[2:15:26] older dispensaries. Uh not saying
[2:15:28] grandfather all of everything but you
[2:15:30] know that work. Uh [snorts] so shout out
[2:15:32] to Green Room. That's number one. And uh
[2:15:34] number two I wanted to and again I have
[2:15:38] all the patients of world world. I
[2:15:39] texted Presiano for a sword around um a
[2:15:43] couple days ago involving or expressing
[2:15:45] my
[2:15:46] uh expression of op by OPMA standards
[2:15:50] neural link [snorts] misuse and the
[2:15:52] real-time voyagerism it comes with and I
[2:15:54] asked you questions I'm again all the
[2:15:56] time in the world I think I think it was
[2:15:58] your phone I I'll send you another text
[2:16:00] message but the questions were uh
[2:16:04] how do you feel about what I've said and
[2:16:05] if it comes to light our fourth
[2:16:07] amendment is violated in real time How
[2:16:09] would you ever go about even um fixing
[2:16:12] that from a local level, let alone any
[2:16:14] type of federal level? So, I'm just
[2:16:15] going to just elaborate into voyagerism
[2:16:17] and generalizing the word of um
[2:16:21] just in essence someone who's aroused by
[2:16:24] any video that they catch somebody in
[2:16:25] their privacy. It involves sexual stuff
[2:16:27] and involves my inclusion of neural link
[2:16:30] which is extra violating where you
[2:16:32] already know that information. That
[2:16:33] would be some type of nardir technology
[2:16:35] or you know how some people got extra
[2:16:36] information and they need so I'm just
[2:16:38] going to just recite this one thread.
[2:16:40] Real-time digital voyagerism, video
[2:16:43] voyagerism of a child, woman, or man via
[2:16:45] Neurlink is occurring not just through
[2:16:47] classic cameras and locations, but via
[2:16:49] Neurlink as it's interwoven with our
[2:16:51] senses, which means I can see through
[2:16:53] your eyes in real time when you wake up
[2:16:54] until you go to sleep, which it was
[2:16:56] something I brought up in prior um you
[2:16:59] know, city hall meetings. I wanted to
[2:17:01] really elaborate on misuse of this
[2:17:03] neural link at school and work
[2:17:05] environments and in terms of violating
[2:17:07] the fourth amendment. Uh to have
[2:17:09] information or conduct yourself in an
[2:17:11] investigative setting without a warrant,
[2:17:13] without a badge, you're pretty much a
[2:17:14] civilian not going to the police. You're
[2:17:16] just going to use that on me, exploit
[2:17:17] me, subjugate me, etc. Um with plus that
[2:17:20] technology update, it is something that
[2:17:22] a lot of people don't talk about. But uh
[2:17:24] preventative measures of any malicious
[2:17:26] use of technology would be what I'm
[2:17:28] doing which is talking about it just
[2:17:29] bringing it up because one day it would
[2:17:31] be important that as we go about
[2:17:33] neuroethics violations of anybody using
[2:17:35] any technology like that it would be
[2:17:37] like well that person touched me
[2:17:39] wirelessly and um the conversation about
[2:17:42] you know uh Jane Doe's and how they
[2:17:44] don't come forward unless there is a big
[2:17:46] whistleblower situation. Uh I wanted to
[2:17:49] put myself out there on that front of
[2:17:51] wanting to whistleblower for Leticia
[2:17:53] James which is the attorney general
[2:17:54] involving AI and Neuralink and that
[2:17:57] combination which is why um pausing AI
[2:18:01] development is something everyone's
[2:18:03] talking about. uh it involves real-time
[2:18:05] instructors of communication using
[2:18:06] algorithms involving any and all above
[2:18:10] these new AIs look like they're loading
[2:18:12] screens like cloud which they look fancy
[2:18:14] on the computer and everything but it's
[2:18:15] just a loading screen to get to the
[2:18:16] answer prediction scale um my whole
[2:18:19] thing is neural link and how do we shut
[2:18:20] that off and how easy can it be uh to
[2:18:23] shut it off u will that be free
[2:18:27] information or do you need to give an
[2:18:29] arm and a leg to it um but the
[2:18:32] voyagerism is the general ization and
[2:18:34] desensitization of that word where if
[2:18:37] that's possible with classic cameras,
[2:18:38] can you do that if both of you share a
[2:18:40] neural link? Is that possible that maybe
[2:18:42] we are being surveiled right now? And
[2:18:45] how do we get around that? Are there
[2:18:47] demagnetization doormats at the door?
[2:18:48] You have to drop your neural link at the
[2:18:50] door. Um misusing that in a school
[2:18:52] system, do you get expelled in a work
[2:18:54] environment? Do you get uh fired? Um,
[2:18:57] this is tomorrow talk that I hope can
[2:19:02] kind of bottleneck the AI development
[2:19:05] phase or as Donald J. Trump says SI
[2:19:08] super intelligence now and um I really
[2:19:10] wanted more of a public inquiry into it
[2:19:12] involving that in our school system if
[2:19:14] there is something like that even
[2:19:15] remotely possible. uh again to bottle
[2:19:18] cap both of this because if this is the
[2:19:19] talk of tomorrow it is preventing it's a
[2:19:22] preventive measure to some degree and uh
[2:19:24] that being said that that'll be it just
[2:19:26] see
[2:19:27] >> thank you Enrique appreciate it
[2:19:29] >> a motion to close public portion
[2:19:31] >> second [clears throat] all in favor
[2:19:32] >> I cohen
[2:19:34] >> thank you council president uh a few
[2:19:36] people mentioned that today is October
[2:19:38] 7th I just want to say a few words about
[2:19:40] that
[2:19:41] from the murder of 1200 people to the
[2:19:44] kidnapping of 240 others
[2:19:46] to rape, torture, mutilation of the
[2:19:50] deceased, to destruction. There is
[2:19:53] scarcely a type of violence that did not
[2:19:55] take place on October 7 against Israelis
[2:19:58] and Jews and against people of several
[2:20:00] religions in more than 25 different
[2:20:02] nationalities with the Hamas
[2:20:05] perpetrators vowing to repeat these
[2:20:07] murderous actions again and again if
[2:20:09] given the opportunity.
[2:20:11] Tonight during our council meeting,
[2:20:12] there was a candlelight vigil taking
[2:20:14] place on the Hoboken waterfront. I
[2:20:16] attended a similar vigil three days
[2:20:18] after October 7, October 10, three years
[2:20:21] ago, organized by four local Hoboken
[2:20:23] moms and government, Governor Murphy and
[2:20:26] approximately a thousand members of our
[2:20:27] community gathered that night as a
[2:20:30] community in mourning and a community in
[2:20:32] shock. And I participated again at a
[2:20:35] similar waterfront vigil last year on
[2:20:37] October 7th. I want to acknowledge the
[2:20:40] third anniversary of October 7 and ask
[2:20:42] my colleagues and those gathered here
[2:20:44] today for a moment of silence for those
[2:20:46] whose lives were lost three years ago
[2:20:47] today.
[2:20:54] » Thank you, Counc.
[2:20:56] First, Phil, thank you
[2:20:58] for uh the words and it's a day of
[2:21:02] remembrance for all of us and day of
[2:21:03] mourning for all of us. So, I appreciate
[2:21:05] that. Um,
[2:21:08] let me let me start here with uh just a
[2:21:11] quick statement and I'd appreciate not
[2:21:14] being cut off or interrupted and I most
[2:21:16] certainly would appreciate not being
[2:21:18] disrespected like I was at the last
[2:21:19] council meeting. I have a few comments
[2:21:22] uh on a few different things.
[2:21:26] Uh first I want to talk about
[2:21:29] the corporation council sending a memo
[2:21:32] to this this council uh after we had a
[2:21:35] discussion
[2:21:37] in particular about a salary ordinance
[2:21:40] and how we pay our employees.
[2:21:45] Uh I asked for that memo. It was
[2:21:47] provided to the council and I thank you
[2:21:49] for providing that. Um, and corporation
[2:21:53] council, you you stand by everything you
[2:21:55] put in that memo, I'm assuming. Correct.
[2:22:04] » Yes. And um there's also another memo by
[2:22:07] outside counsel subject
[2:22:10] >> uh corporation council and I appreciate
[2:22:12] that and I think it was very apparent
[2:22:13] that I disagreed with that opinion and I
[2:22:16] made it very clear that I disagree with
[2:22:18] your opinion on that. Um,
[2:22:23] so
[2:22:25] I took it upon myself to follow guidance
[2:22:30] to introduce a resolution
[2:22:34] to wave privilege
[2:22:36] and I submitted that resolution in a
[2:22:39] timely manner to the city's clerk to the
[2:22:41] city clerk
[2:22:43] and when the agenda came out that
[2:22:46] resolution was removed from the agenda.
[2:22:49] It was a simple resolution just waving
[2:22:51] privilege so that not only this council
[2:22:55] could disclose that to other bodies and
[2:22:58] the public and it really didn't say much
[2:23:01] more than that
[2:23:03] and that was removed. So, I have
[2:23:06] questions about why that was removed
[2:23:09] because it was duly introduced and
[2:23:12] seconded
[2:23:13] in a timely manner and that was
[2:23:16] unilaterally removed from the agenda.
[2:23:19] And I'd like to know why that was and
[2:23:22] under what authority that was.
[2:23:27] Now, the only person who could remove
[2:23:29] something from the agenda without any
[2:23:32] question is the council president.
[2:23:36] So, council president, if that was your
[2:23:38] decision, I like to know that that was
[2:23:41] your decision because the excuse of
[2:23:47] well, there may be some legal concerns
[2:23:50] is not a valid excuse for removing
[2:23:54] something from the agenda. We have put
[2:23:56] resolutions and ordinances before this
[2:23:58] council
[2:24:00] when we have disagreed with the opinion
[2:24:02] of our corporation council and they were
[2:24:04] voted on. You every council member has
[2:24:07] the right to vote however they choose
[2:24:10] but they do not have the re the
[2:24:11] administration does not have the right
[2:24:14] to remove a resolution.
[2:24:18] >> I that was they did not remove it. I
[2:24:19] removed it.
[2:24:20] So I'll ask you council president
[2:24:24] what was your reasoning to remove that
[2:24:27] >> from the council agenda
[2:24:28] >> because I had legal concerns leading
[2:24:30] into it and I want more clarification
[2:24:31] which I requested for corporation
[2:24:32] council which I believe we received
[2:24:34] today
[2:24:34] >> and I and I appreciate that. However
[2:24:38] to me that's not a valid reason but
[2:24:41] we'll get to that.
[2:24:44] this second memo that we received today
[2:24:47] about the potential legality
[2:24:50] of
[2:24:53] the resolution that I put forward.
[2:24:56] My question to corporation council is
[2:25:01] who was wrong? Was it you, Corporation
[2:25:04] council, when you advised this council,
[2:25:07] that the only way to wave that privilege
[2:25:09] is through a resolution? Or is it the
[2:25:11] outside council that sent the memo
[2:25:13] today? Because in your original memo,
[2:25:17] and I'll read, and it's not disclosing
[2:25:19] any information. This is just a preamble
[2:25:21] of the council's confidential
[2:25:23] confidentiality notice. It says very
[2:25:26] clearly in that memo, and as you just
[2:25:28] stated, you stand by all of it. The
[2:25:32] Office of Corporation Council does not
[2:25:34] consent to the disclosure or
[2:25:36] dissemination of this confidential
[2:25:38] information and any disclosure or
[2:25:40] dissemination of this confidential
[2:25:42] information absent a resolution passed
[2:25:46] by the city council is authorized.
[2:25:50] So who was wrong? Was it you corporation
[2:25:53] council saying that we can wave
[2:25:55] privilege
[2:25:57] by a resolution or is it the outside
[2:26:00] council who has now informed us that we
[2:26:03] cannot unilaterally wave privilege?
[2:26:11] » I think you're pro I don't know where
[2:26:12] that language is coming from.
[2:26:14] >> It's coming from a memo from the office
[2:26:16] of corporation council that you
[2:26:18] distributed to the entire council. I
[2:26:21] didn't write that language. That's
[2:26:23] standard template language that you
[2:26:25] have.
[2:26:26] >> Sorry, your your name.
[2:26:28] >> You need to I'm speaking. I'm still
[2:26:30] speaking. So that is template language.
[2:26:33] >> And I appreciate I appreciate the
[2:26:36] respect.
[2:26:36] >> I'm still speaking. That is template
[2:26:39] language that this city has used for
[2:26:42] years. I didn't write it. And it's
[2:26:46] obviously based on the opinion that you
[2:26:49] receive today.
[2:26:50] it. You cannot wave the attorney client
[2:26:54] privilege with a resolution. The council
[2:26:57] doesn't have that authority under the
[2:26:59] Faulner act. And the reason that you
[2:27:02] cannot put thing you cannot put items on
[2:27:05] the agenda for to to authorize an action
[2:27:10] that you can't lawfully take and you
[2:27:13] don't have the authority. I'm still
[2:27:15] speaking.
[2:27:16] >> Excuse me. This is this is my time. I'm
[2:27:18] excuse me speaking. This is my time to
[2:27:22] ask when you come back.
[2:27:23] >> Excuse me. This is my time. With all due
[2:27:25] respect, now that's the second meeting
[2:27:27] that you've been disrespectful to me.
[2:27:29] That's the second time. Okay.
[2:27:33] The reality is that I have a broad
[2:27:37] number of ways that I could move
[2:27:40] forward.
[2:27:42] One, which is the simplest, is to ask to
[2:27:45] wave privilege, which by the way was
[2:27:47] probably not even necessary if all this
[2:27:50] council needed to do was add corporation
[2:27:52] counsel into a salary ordinance. And I'm
[2:27:54] sure there was five votes to do that.
[2:27:56] But it chose not to out of ignorance,
[2:27:59] out of arrogance, or out of spite.
[2:28:01] Whatever the decision is, it is. But we
[2:28:04] have multiple ways that we could do
[2:28:07] that. I could do it by a resolution to
[2:28:10] wave privilege. I could do it by filing
[2:28:12] an ethics complaint to the New Jersey
[2:28:14] State Bar. I could do it by invoking the
[2:28:18] council's broad authority as an
[2:28:20] investigative body with not only sworn
[2:28:24] testimony, but subpoena power.
[2:28:28] So, there are multiple ways that I could
[2:28:31] have broached this. I chose to do it the
[2:28:34] most simple and less aggressive way. But
[2:28:39] for whatever reason, this
[2:28:40] administration, this mayor, and whoever
[2:28:43] else is deciding to to die on this hill
[2:28:46] when all we needed to do was correct one
[2:28:50] simple thing, and it was to put the
[2:28:52] corporation council title into our
[2:28:54] salary ordinance and set that salary
[2:28:56] range so the mayor could choose between
[2:28:58] a salary range. That is it. That is all
[2:29:01] I wanted to do. And for whatever reason,
[2:29:08] we chose as a city not to do that.
[2:29:11] Councilman Cano made made a statement
[2:29:13] earlier and I I fully disagree with it.
[2:29:16] I don't think this city I don't think
[2:29:18] the city administration is being
[2:29:19] transparent at all. Transparency
[2:29:24] is not about making a cute video on
[2:29:26] Instagram.
[2:29:28] It's not about sending out an email to
[2:29:31] city council members about a ribbon
[2:29:33] cutting. It is not about touting on
[2:29:37] social media the fun events in the city
[2:29:39] of Hoboken. What transparency is really
[2:29:42] about
[2:29:44] is when someone disagrees with the
[2:29:46] determination of the administration,
[2:29:50] they open their books wide and far so
[2:29:54] that people could look at exactly what's
[2:29:56] going on.
[2:29:58] Transparency is not
[2:30:01] closing those books out of ignorance,
[2:30:04] out of arrogance or out of spite.
[2:30:08] And that is exactly what happened. So I
[2:30:11] will take whatever means necessary to
[2:30:13] make sure that the public knows exactly
[2:30:16] what is going on.
[2:30:19] That's my first point.
[2:30:21] My second point is I also asked for a
[2:30:25] memo pertaining to Grand Street. And now
[2:30:28] I get it. I've been around a long time.
[2:30:31] We slow rode that memo until October
[2:30:34] rolled around when the Grand Street
[2:30:36] pilot is now at its end.
[2:30:39] So my question to our business
[2:30:42] administrator is what is the plan now
[2:30:45] that the Grand Street pilot is at its
[2:30:48] end to start to revert that back
[2:30:52] so that we
[2:30:54] can get back to a normal life on Grand
[2:30:58] Street for the residents who have
[2:31:00] continued to complain about their
[2:31:01] quality of life. What is the plan and
[2:31:04] next steps so that we could revert it
[2:31:07] back?
[2:31:09] So the Grand Street pilot ends in early
[2:31:12] November. Um we are in the process of
[2:31:15] developing some public engagement for
[2:31:17] the remainder of this month. We're
[2:31:18] already collecting data. We will be
[2:31:20] evaluating that data and presenting that
[2:31:22] data publicly and then we will present
[2:31:25] to you recommendations really options
[2:31:28] right for for your review and
[2:31:30] consideration
[2:31:31] um for changes to the Grand Street
[2:31:35] pilot. Um, all of that will happen in
[2:31:38] early November
[2:31:40] >> as that is when the pilot ends.
[2:31:41] >> When was the resolution? I'm sorry. When
[2:31:46] did the administration last year start
[2:31:48] the pilot?
[2:31:49] >> November.
[2:31:51] >> Yes.
[2:31:51] >> No, they started in October.
[2:31:53] >> Started in October.
[2:31:54] >> It was before It was before election
[2:31:56] day.
[2:31:56] >> It was mid-occtober.
[2:31:58] >> It wasn't October 7th, but it was mid It
[2:32:00] was mid-occtober before election day.
[2:32:02] >> Okay. We can can certainly double check.
[2:32:04] former the former mayor um issued an
[2:32:07] executive order on October 7th
[2:32:09] >> issued it but then I went into
[2:32:10] >> but the pilot went into effect I believe
[2:32:12] November 18th
[2:32:13] >> there was never a pilot
[2:32:14] >> instructed
[2:32:15] >> there was never a time frame for the
[2:32:16] pilot it was just all headlines there
[2:32:18] was never a one-year there was ne
[2:32:20] literally never any parameters it was
[2:32:23] just a headline with no parameters and what has happened is the
[2:32:28] administration has has kind of said well
[2:32:32] we think the pilot should be one they're
[2:32:34] they've latched on to it and they're
[2:32:36] coming up with these dates and
[2:32:39] just I mean that's the fact pattern. So
[2:32:43] >> So for a vote in
[2:32:46] >> I mean the next there there should be
[2:32:47] something on the next agenda, right?
[2:32:50] There should be something on the next
[2:32:51] agenda in our transportation committee
[2:32:53] on this to eliminate this because I'm
[2:32:56] confident there are five votes on this
[2:32:58] council that will not support
[2:33:00] continuing. There may be more, but
[2:33:02] there's at least five votes that will
[2:33:03] not support continuing this bike lane in
[2:33:06] this area. And if it's costing the city
[2:33:08] money, we can take money out of the $45
[2:33:11] million that is sitting in the parking
[2:33:13] utilities, you know, account and do an
[2:33:16] emergency appropriation if we need to to
[2:33:18] pull it out, pay for it, and take it
[2:33:20] down. And we should just do it.
[2:33:21] >> I agree.
[2:33:25] >> And anything else is political, and it
[2:33:28] shouldn't be. And that leads me to my
[2:33:31] third and final point is Adam Street.
[2:33:37] When will the
[2:33:42] information from the survey be available
[2:33:44] to the council and when will the
[2:33:49] public meeting down in the third ward or
[2:33:52] fourth ward depending on the location?
[2:33:54] Um
[2:33:56] when will that be happening?
[2:33:58] So, I believe the survey is open through
[2:34:00] October 16th. Um, so we'll provide the
[2:34:03] data to the council shortly thereafter.
[2:34:06] And I don't believe the public meeting
[2:34:07] has been scheduled yet, but as soon as
[2:34:09] it is scheduled, I will certainly let
[2:34:11] the council know.
[2:34:14] » Okay. Thank you,
[2:34:16] >> Council President. Uh, Councilwoman
[2:34:18] Fischer, sorry.
[2:34:20] >> Yeah, just a couple quick things. Um, I
[2:34:22] think uh top of mind for a lot of people
[2:34:25] this week was the crash Friday night um
[2:34:29] where a car was going through um blew
[2:34:34] the stop sign at 15th and Hudson going
[2:34:36] north on Hudson uh turned left on 15th
[2:34:39] and just ran over a pedestrian. Um it's
[2:34:42] right outside my building in the middle
[2:34:44] of you know kind of the center of the
[2:34:46] second ward or the corner of the second
[2:34:47] w and it's been very jarring to my
[2:34:49] neighbors that you know go through that
[2:34:51] intersection every day but I think it's
[2:34:53] a lot of the feedback that I've received
[2:34:55] from people um citywide is this just a
[2:34:58] reminder that we have intersections all
[2:35:01] over the city where uh we you know
[2:35:05] people are just going through stop
[2:35:06] signs. Um just a quick update the woman
[2:35:08] was hospitalized with serious uh
[2:35:10] injuries. Thankfully, she has been
[2:35:12] released um and is recovering with
[2:35:15] family. I understand the dog is with her
[2:35:17] and with family um and just a lot of
[2:35:20] neighbors have, you know, reached out
[2:35:22] and um wanted to support. Um we had a
[2:35:26] like a town hall with neighbors last
[2:35:27] night uh that was scheduled literally
[2:35:30] two months ago, but with 15th Street
[2:35:32] Neighbors. Um the mayor came up and this
[2:35:34] was part of the conversation. And the
[2:35:36] good news is the administration
[2:35:38] announced a number of safety
[2:35:39] improvements at that intersection. Um
[2:35:42] just making adding, you know, immediate
[2:35:44] cheap and cheerful, immediately
[2:35:46] available um improvements like
[2:35:49] repainting the uh uh the crosswalks,
[2:35:52] putting in a flashing stop sign, re I
[2:35:55] don't remember what you called it, but
[2:35:56] like brighter um existing stop signs and
[2:35:59] some other um features. And um and we've
[2:36:02] also had a conversation about improving
[2:36:04] 15th Street. So 15th Street for
[2:36:07] everyone's benefit um has been if you go
[2:36:11] back to 2010,
[2:36:14] uh 15th Street's been identified
[2:36:16] continuously as one of the top three
[2:36:17] most dangerous streets in the city. So
[2:36:19] we're going to work on it. Um but I just
[2:36:22] want to thank the administration for
[2:36:24] responding so quickly, doing a review
[2:36:26] and and making these improvements um uh
[2:36:29] to what has been a very dangerous
[2:36:31] intersection. Um and then the other two
[2:36:33] things um is we have a new an up the
[2:36:37] next street closure which is Grove
[2:36:39] Street which is next week. Um and uh so
[2:36:44] we just you know need to be armed for
[2:36:46] that. That's going to be another five
[2:36:48] months of excitement in Southwest
[2:36:50] Hoboken. Uh the positive is
[2:36:54] it's a cumulative knowledge. Um most
[2:36:57] importantly, not cumulative on the work
[2:37:00] that's being done, but cumulative for
[2:37:02] all the work the administration's doing
[2:37:04] to manage traffic in the area. Um so we
[2:37:08] have a traffic consultant. Um, we have,
[2:37:11] similar to what we've done with other of
[2:37:12] the Southwest closures, just a lot of
[2:37:15] focus on making sure it flows. And I'm
[2:37:18] sure our council president will be uh
[2:37:20] giving immediate feedback as soon as
[2:37:22] that closure happens. Um, and then
[2:37:25] lastly, for anyone who's not yet aware,
[2:37:28] uh they're doing the second side of the
[2:37:31] portal bridge in Carney. Um and in order
[2:37:34] to do that they are rerouting all of the
[2:37:36] Midtown uh trains from various suburbs
[2:37:40] uh to Hoboken and that is starting
[2:37:42] Monday. Um I think we were all we
[2:37:45] thought it was Armageddon and the last
[2:37:46] time they did this it ended up not doing
[2:37:48] that because there were significantly
[2:37:50] more fairies etc that were brought to um
[2:37:54] that were brought downtown and were able
[2:37:56] to absorb all what they what they've
[2:37:58] said is almost 10,000 um additional
[2:38:00] passengers coming into the terminal. So
[2:38:02] that but that said be on the lookout
[2:38:04] that we we still will expect some um you
[2:38:08] know just some challenges in Hoboken
[2:38:10] while that's happening.
[2:38:12] >> Thank you Council President Zano.
[2:38:13] >> Yeah. So
[2:38:17] I I spent a lot of time this weekend uh
[2:38:20] reading in court cases and kind of in
[2:38:25] understanding of putting forth the
[2:38:28] resolution with Councilman Russo. Uh,
[2:38:33] I spend quite I think your wife yelled
[2:38:37] at me for reading so much cuz I wasn't
[2:38:39] paying attention or she thought I was
[2:38:40] screwing around on the phone. um to
[2:38:43] understand whether
[2:38:48] the
[2:38:50] question in hand of salary ordinance
[2:38:52] with the position and not even about the
[2:38:56] memo whether it was okay to ask about a
[2:38:58] memo being uh uh produced for the public
[2:39:01] that we were given you know basically
[2:39:03] attorney client privilege to the
[2:39:04] council. So I was more asking on the
[2:39:06] salary ordinance. So I went over and over and I kept all the
[2:39:10] different codes in the state. The state
[2:39:12] had to correct itself which you educated
[2:39:14] us last time which or I think even in
[2:39:16] the memo um uh not in the memo in the in
[2:39:20] the um uh I'm getting myself confused in
[2:39:25] what I read over the weekend. So the
[2:39:27] state had to correct itself because
[2:39:29] there was a court case actually I think
[2:39:30] out of Hudson County that changed some
[2:39:32] things. So what powers it gave to the
[2:39:35] mayor? One of my main's concerns was
[2:39:37] does our law overstep the boundaries
[2:39:39] with state law? And my concern there was
[2:39:44] uh and the reason one of the reasons why
[2:39:46] I kind of thought about this was the
[2:39:49] court case that just took place in
[2:39:50] Jersey City about rent control. And I
[2:39:52] got really scared because
[2:39:54] is is there some implications here where
[2:39:57] state law is trumping our law and how
[2:39:59] many of our laws internally uh or in
[2:40:02] town of Hoboken conflict with state law.
[2:40:05] Now when Councilman Russo had asked me
[2:40:07] to join him on this uh to release it I I
[2:40:11] kind of read again this is me. I didn't
[2:40:14] [snorts] see anything really secret.
[2:40:18] That's my personal opinion. And so when
[2:40:20] he asked for my support in it, I
[2:40:22] thought, okay, why not? But the reason
[2:40:25] why I thought that was because in the
[2:40:29] letter or the email that I had asked for
[2:40:31] kind of some kind of explanation, and I
[2:40:32] think Councilman Russo asked as well,
[2:40:35] that it was a the it was in
[2:40:38] determination of what the city council
[2:40:41] asked corporation council, not the
[2:40:44] administration asking corporation
[2:40:46] council. So I said this was really a
[2:40:49] guidance for us. So I said why wouldn't
[2:40:52] we have the ability then to allow that
[2:40:55] to the public which again I don't think
[2:40:56] there's anything really secret in there
[2:40:58] but that's a personal opinion. Now I'd
[2:41:01] like to just these are just some
[2:41:02] statements
[2:41:04] >> major points we saw the other memos
[2:41:06] today. I get it. I just want to bring
[2:41:08] another point up and
[2:41:12] historically since I've sat in this
[2:41:14] seat.
[2:41:16] We get confidential memos
[2:41:20] right before a council meeting and many
[2:41:22] [snorts] of us are trying to balance our
[2:41:23] daily lives or our families or our
[2:41:25] children and there is not enough time to
[2:41:27] read it. And I would like to bring up
[2:41:28] this point because Councilman Cohen took
[2:41:31] a shot at Councilwoman Fiser saying that
[2:41:35] um the speed of the noise ordinance or
[2:41:37] you didn't talk to anybody and you
[2:41:39] didn't really make a conversation there.
[2:41:41] So, Phil, I hope you can agree with me
[2:41:44] on this. We got the second memo today at
[2:41:48] 6:03 p.m.
[2:41:50] 27 minutes before we had a close
[2:41:53] session. The other ruling that came in
[2:41:56] from outside council was 4:36 in the
[2:41:59] day.
[2:42:01] Now [snorts]
[2:42:02] trying to balance a family, get here and
[2:42:05] do everything else you have to do before
[2:42:06] a council meeting because you got to
[2:42:08] compact everything before you get here.
[2:42:10] That doesn't leave much time to actually
[2:42:13] read through this. If
[2:42:16] now if
[2:42:18] I would have known I mean Friday we got
[2:42:22] letters that this wasn't going to be on
[2:42:23] the agenda. I figured let me get myself
[2:42:26] prepared read all weekend
[2:42:29] thinking that if there was going to be
[2:42:31] any issues that there would be some kind
[2:42:32] of uh somebody would give me a memo from
[2:42:35] somewhere else cuz I think the
[2:42:36] administration had said that they were
[2:42:37] looking at outside questions as well
[2:42:40] just so everything was on the up and up.
[2:42:42] However, dropping that at
[2:42:44] 6:03 and 4:30 in the afternoon kind of
[2:42:48] just just it sucks
[2:42:51] because I didn't really have a chance to
[2:42:53] delve into the second one and then
[2:42:55] spending the whole weekend. I mean, I
[2:42:57] honest six to 10 hours I spent of
[2:42:59] reading. I feel like I know this this
[2:43:02] salary ordinance back and forth, but it
[2:43:05] goes back to, you know, you got to give
[2:43:07] us some extra time, especially on and there's it's not just this one.
[2:43:10] There's other ones that you guys drop
[2:43:12] very close to the meeting for us to get
[2:43:14] our hands for us to make decisions on
[2:43:16] this council. We need to have a little
[2:43:17] bit more time and that's all I'm asking.
[2:43:19] I'm not complaining. Whatever has
[2:43:21] happened is water under the bridge. It
[2:43:23] rulings are rulings. However, that you
[2:43:26] got to give us more time to allow us to
[2:43:29] read it cuz I I'm not going to ask for a
[2:43:31] show of hands on this council of who
[2:43:32] read it, but I was struggling to get
[2:43:35] from my house to here to sit on this
[2:43:39] deis for the closed session and read and
[2:43:41] digest everything in that second uh
[2:43:44] confidential memo. I would ask that the
[2:43:47] administration
[2:43:49] when we go to outside counsel or we get
[2:43:50] some kind of ruling uh or some feedback
[2:43:53] that we kind of put a deadline in maybe
[2:43:56] the day before because
[2:43:59] it doesn't allow us as the people who
[2:44:03] make decisions in this city on laws and certain outcomes by our votes that I
[2:44:10] don't have enough time in 27 minutes to
[2:44:12] digest it and then make a decision. So
[2:44:15] all I ask is in the future that we can
[2:44:17] have some kind of unless it's an
[2:44:18] absolute emergency that this stuff is
[2:44:21] released to us with ample time for us to
[2:44:24] read so that we can better understand
[2:44:26] and do our jobs better here. Thank you,
[2:44:29] Council President.
[2:44:30] >> Um
[2:44:31] >> thank you, President. Uh just a a few
[2:44:33] things. First, I my in my practice of
[2:44:36] law, the attorney client privilege is
[2:44:37] something that I deal with regularly.
[2:44:40] And just with respect to Councilman
[2:44:42] President Zano about the privilege, it
[2:44:44] doesn't need to be secret for it to be
[2:44:46] privileged. The the the what is
[2:44:48] privileged or when there's a
[2:44:49] confidential request for legal advice
[2:44:51] that's rendered,
[2:44:53] the communications, the request for the
[2:44:55] privilege is privileged and the response
[2:44:57] is privileged and who can wave that
[2:45:00] privilege as a question of law. And
[2:45:02] today we got a memo and I happened to to
[2:45:04] read it, but you know, I don't think it
[2:45:05] really would matter too much for
[2:45:07] tonight's meeting, but if you want to
[2:45:09] follow up with me about it, I'm more
[2:45:10] than happy to talk to you about the case
[2:45:11] law. And because I I understood and I I
[2:45:13] did read it on the path on the way out,
[2:45:16] but it does not have to be like, you
[2:45:18] know, the nuclear code,
[2:45:20] >> uh, you know, like the the Coca-Cola
[2:45:22] formula
[2:45:23] >> to be turning client privilege. If if if
[2:45:27] the council makes a request for legal
[2:45:29] advice, it's rendered back. it needs to
[2:45:31] be treated as confidential for uh the
[2:45:35] sanctity of the attorney client
[2:45:36] privilege itself. So that I just want to
[2:45:38] say that.
[2:45:38] >> Okay. Thank you.
[2:45:39] >> Um
[2:45:41] just want to follow up on one thing with
[2:45:42] respect to the Grove Street closure. Uh
[2:45:44] it 5 months is a long time, but I just
[2:45:47] want to say with respect to Ruben and
[2:45:49] the others uh on on your end of town,
[2:45:51] Paul, uh when we had our meeting with uh
[2:45:55] the folks on Rebuild by Design, they
[2:45:57] said that unlike like the Jersey Avenue
[2:45:59] closure where it was going to be for a
[2:46:00] short period of time and it got longer
[2:46:02] and longer and longer. They feel pretty
[2:46:05] confident that this time the five months
[2:46:07] estimate is more realistic because they
[2:46:09] did more test pitting before and they
[2:46:11] found a lot of the uh I wouldn't call
[2:46:14] them booby traps, but the unknown things
[2:46:16] that were underground that they didn't
[2:46:18] find initially when they did the Jersey
[2:46:21] Avenue closure that makes them feel more
[2:46:23] confident that this estimate is actually
[2:46:25] realistic. So, it's a long time, but
[2:46:27] they're not anticipating uh additional
[2:46:29] delays. Um, and and ju just one thing I
[2:46:33] think just for my colleagues, I mean, I hear Councilman Russo's frustration
[2:46:37] about uh about what he feels is
[2:46:39] inconsistent advice, but I I really do
[2:46:42] urge him and my colleagues to follow the
[2:46:44] advice of our lawyer. I I think we found
[2:46:47] out today on the on the ordinance that
[2:46:49] we had to repeal because we didn't
[2:46:51] listen to our corporation council that
[2:46:53] it's a good idea to do that. And I'm not
[2:46:55] saying it's not frustrating. I do, but I
[2:46:58] do think that there's a reason why we
[2:47:00] have a corporation council and it's a
[2:47:02] best practice to follow the advice of
[2:47:03] our council. I just, you know, so I'm so so I just think that there there is
[2:47:10] >> there's risk that we take on
[2:47:14] by not following our lawyer's advice and and I'm not saying you don't feel
[2:47:18] agrieved and it's not legit. Okay? But
[2:47:20] I'm just I just want to just kind of put
[2:47:22] out there that there are reasons why
[2:47:24] people hire lawyers. There's a reason
[2:47:26] why people seek advice from counsel and
[2:47:29] when they get that advice, it's
[2:47:31] generally a best practice to follow
[2:47:34] corporate advice and you're entitled to
[2:47:35] a full explanation and and and and trust
[2:47:39] and it is possible that we might need to
[2:47:41] go into a closed session for you to get
[2:47:42] all the answers because it may be that
[2:47:44] the answer is confidential. I I don't
[2:47:46] know. But I I'm just I just Yeah,
[2:47:50] >> the only reason I wanted it waved is so
[2:47:51] I could get a second opinion on that.
[2:47:54] >> I understand. That's what I I wanted to
[2:47:55] send to DCA and I wanted to send it to
[2:47:57] the League of Municipalities so that I
[2:47:59] could get an opinion on what that looks
[2:48:01] like.
[2:48:02] >> And I don't think anyone's telling you
[2:48:03] that you can't. I'm sorry.
[2:48:04] >> I don't think anyone's telling you you
[2:48:06] can't do that.
[2:48:06] >> Of course. I How do I How do I refer to
[2:48:09] a memo if it's confidential and I can't
[2:48:10] share that with the League of
[2:48:11] Municipalities or the DCA?
[2:48:13] >> The the intent is not.
[2:48:15] >> But so then the other thing I just
[2:48:18] wanted to say is uh one infrastructure
[2:48:21] thing, your separate issue. Uh the 15th
[2:48:24] street 15th and park parking garage is
[2:48:27] open. Uh it is well used. It's well lit.
[2:48:31] It's striped. Uh it hourly parking is
[2:48:34] available for people who are have their
[2:48:36] kids playing at the the fields over at
[2:48:39] the 15th and 16th. Those leagues that
[2:48:42] are out there. People are are enjoying
[2:48:45] that lot. Uh and there's also I believe
[2:48:47] there still may be some monthly spots
[2:48:48] available. So, if you're you live uptown
[2:48:51] and you're looking for a parking lot,
[2:48:54] it's um $200 a month, which is below
[2:48:57] market and uh revenues go to the city.
[2:49:00] So, anyway, uh
[2:49:02] >> they did a great
[2:49:03] >> not yet.
[2:49:04] >> They did a great job with that parking
[2:49:06] lot.
[2:49:06] >> We're taking our We're not yielding our
[2:49:07] time yet.
[2:49:09] >> We're not Pat, we don't do that to you,
[2:49:12] Pat. the the the one thing about being
[2:49:15] on the city council a long time uh
[2:49:17] benefit is that you've have the
[2:49:20] privilege and the honor of seeing a lot
[2:49:21] of things. So when I saw Councilman
[2:49:24] Russo, I've seen it before and knew the
[2:49:27] answer to the question already about
[2:49:28] should it be allowed to the public with
[2:49:30] attorney privilege being allowed or not
[2:49:31] being allowed. We've had this question
[2:49:33] answered before in the past, so I kind
[2:49:35] of like already knew [snorts] uh where
[2:49:37] that would lead to. So I just wanted to
[2:49:39] avoid those situations, have this
[2:49:40] conversation here tonight. uh open but
[2:49:43] not open and then move it forward from there how you want to get that
[2:49:46] information the proper way the
[2:49:48] municipality we got to do that together
[2:49:49] we could do that but uh to have a
[2:49:51] resolution out there where I've seen it
[2:49:53] before with council we serve with other
[2:49:55] council members council Mason had a lot
[2:49:56] of things like this uh specifically so
[2:49:59] we kind of knew where this was going or I knew how that was going just want
[2:50:04] to like move that ahead and work with
[2:50:06] you and everyone else whoever needs to
[2:50:07] get to the right place so you have your
[2:50:08] information and going in the right
[2:50:10] direction and I just want to talk to
[2:50:12] council Fischer mentioned it and
[2:50:14] mentioned it. a little more tight up the
[2:50:16] timelines when it's starting when it's
[2:50:18] ending what work's happening in the next
[2:50:20] I know council tus give me like a quick
[2:50:22] two-minute synopsis if she can
[2:50:24] >> at the Grove Street
[2:50:26] >> Gonzalez will
[2:50:28] uh yeah so ju just to start um obviously
[2:50:31] there's a lot of construction in Hoboken
[2:50:33] we have really tried to improve
[2:50:35] information flow on that construction so
[2:50:38] um for the latest and greatest updates I
[2:50:40] would encourage all of our uh residents
[2:50:42] to go to hoboken andj.gov/construction
[2:50:43] /construction. You can get the latest on
[2:50:46] a weekly basis. We update that um every
[2:50:49] Friday so that upcoming week you know
[2:50:51] what's happening. Um Councilman Fischer
[2:50:54] referenced the portal bridge
[2:50:55] construction um that is slated to uh
[2:51:00] occur from October 11th through November
[2:51:02] 16th and it's just going to result in
[2:51:03] additional volume in in Hoboken
[2:51:05] Terminal. With regards to dates for um
[2:51:09] Rebuild by Design and Grove Street,
[2:51:11] again, this is very tentative because um
[2:51:13] all dates are subject to change based on
[2:51:15] weather. Um but at the current moment,
[2:51:18] they are scheduled to start on October
[2:51:20] 13th. That would be actually a six-month
[2:51:23] closure, just to clarify. I think 5
[2:51:24] months was was said a few times tonight.
[2:51:26] So, just it is a six-month closure. Um
[2:51:28] there are a variety of um maintenance
[2:51:31] and protection of traffic measures that
[2:51:33] will be in place for that closure.
[2:51:35] similar to Jersey app. We'll have
[2:51:36] real-time monitoring of the uh traffic
[2:51:39] conditions and we will uh adjust timing
[2:51:41] as needed. Um in addition, we have uh
[2:51:46] some good news on the um Hudson Place
[2:51:49] front. Hudson Place is slated to open on
[2:51:51] October 19th. Um however at the on that
[2:51:55] same date um Hudson Street between
[2:51:58] Observer Highway and uh uh Hudson Place
[2:52:02] will close um for approximately a month
[2:52:04] beginning on October 19th. Um in
[2:52:07] addition, Jersey City is also slated to
[2:52:09] pave uh Jersey Avenue between 14th and
[2:52:12] 18th Street um overnight uh starting on
[2:52:15] October 19th. Um that's a few nights of
[2:52:18] work. So that's it in the south. Um and
[2:52:21] then um I think a few council members
[2:52:23] referenced Rebuild by Design uh and
[2:52:25] their their closures. There was a
[2:52:27] Rebuild by Design meeting last week.
[2:52:29] That presentation is available is uh
[2:52:31] posted on their website and has much
[2:52:33] more information on the actual traffic
[2:52:35] routing. Um and I think as as Councilman
[2:52:38] Fischer noted, uh uh end of November is
[2:52:40] hopefully the target for opening 14th
[2:52:43] Street. So
[2:52:45] >> motion to close.
[2:52:45] >> Appreciate it.
[2:52:46] >> Thank you.
[2:52:49] Good night everybody.
[2:52:50] >> Everyone appreciate it. Thank you.
[2:53:01] » You know what I say? Why do it two hours
[2:53:03] when you can do it in three hours?
[2:53:13] » Want to get dinner? Quiet.