1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,960 and she you 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:11,240 know very well they have no children individuals have made similar comments 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:16,600 on the same item then the chairman May limit further similar repeating comments 4 00:00:14,639 --> 00:00:21,240 individuals who submit documents at the hearing shall identify each document 5 00:00:19,279 --> 00:00:25,400 each document submitted shall be made a part of the official record of the 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:28,840 hearing documents submitted prior to the public hearing will be provided to the 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,920 Commissioners and be made part of the official record of the hearing reading 8 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:39,559 documents into the record are subject to a 3 minute time limit 9 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:42,480 also all comments have been after all comments have been made the chairman 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:47,079 will close the hearing once the public hearing is closed further public comment 11 00:00:44,879 --> 00:00:51,480 on this topic will not be entertained if a Planning Commission meeting follows 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,680 immediately after closing of the public hearing to deliberate on the hearing 13 00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:59,960 comments and to further consider further action on this 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:03,960 topic no public comments will be accepted on this topic during that 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:09,280 meeting commers May discuss an item and may ask questions of the presenters from 16 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:13,080 the public hearing I will now open the public hearing the 17 00:01:16,119 --> 00:01:23,720 comments um I'd like to comment on the property that I live next to it's a 18 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:28,600 vacation rental and um I've worked nights and countless times came home to 19 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,720 people parked in my parking spot who were already intoxicated when I had to 20 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:37,240 knock on their door asked them to move they were mad at me and here they were 21 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:40,840 basically parked in my driveway not to mention when they had a cake party and 22 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,159 rented the place out to some high school kids they had a cake party until 6:00 in 23 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:48,560 the morning going on under my bedroom window another time there was a boat 24 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,960 trailer that didn't have room in the two parking spots that were allotted to them 25 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,680 so they just backed their boat right up into my bedroom window it was actually 26 00:01:53,880 --> 00:02:00,840 touching the glass when I came home from work that night and in every situation 27 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:04,880 it has been deal with tourists that didn't have the respect that my neighbor 28 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:10,520 I know would have had for me and was shocking when I bought a place in quiet 29 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:16,360 peaceful holiday Island residentially zoned to find out that this was what I 30 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:19,920 had moved next door to what what address was there 92 Beaver 31 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:27,959 drive9 72 okay no 92 Beaver drive my two Beaver 32 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:36,720 DS so that's been my experience as a residential home buyer you give me an 33 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:41,400 idea how many how how long you lived in your home uh going on three years in 34 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:47,239 September about how many times do you think this this the place is very 35 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:51,239 popular it's rented almost consistently every weekend during the season maybe 36 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:55,360 just a couple weekends in the summer that it's not rented and during the high 37 00:02:53,440 --> 00:03:00,360 weekends like 4th of July it's rented during the weekday as well about half 38 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:04,400 the time people have been peaceful and quiet over there the other half of the 39 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:08,799 time not so much and there's because it sleeps 8 there's almost always been more 40 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:12,920 than two vehicles there and I have the condo next door so naturally all the 41 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:18,519 over full parking ends up being in my parking this is a condo this is a condo 42 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:22,799 yes and it has been such a problem and such a headache and a complete shock to 43 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:26,239 me when I first went to meet my neighbor I said oh I'm your neighbor Sarah Larson 44 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:32,680 and they said oh we're just visiting from Kansas City and I I was surprised 45 00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:32,680 so that's been my 46 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:43,159 experience is it appropriate to talk about the process now for people who may 47 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:49,560 not sure we've been pretty free willing with the the purpose for the hearing so 48 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:54,159 we can St that way well you keep us on the straight narrow now one of the 49 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:59,840 reasons that the City Planning Commission was set up was H Allen for 50 50 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:05,640 years has had short-term RS and they' never been regulated whatsoever so by 51 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:11,799 forming a city and the city forming regulations for requirements there will 52 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:19,280 be some teeth that was never there before so 53 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:23,800 um they're on the city website there is the name of the owner of that property 54 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:31,039 they're required to have a local manager that's within 50 miles of H Island that 55 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:36,720 is also on there and uh also our code enforcement officer could be looking at 56 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:42,320 things like that too am I right land you correct me if I'm wrong and so if you 57 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:46,120 run into those situations again first thing I'd do if it was 2 o'clock in the 58 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:51,919 morning I'd call that homeowner because they can have their 59 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:55,400 their license pulled with that kind of reports of that kind of behavior if 60 00:04:53,720 --> 00:05:00,600 you're awake at 2 in the morning that homeowner should be awake at 2 in the 61 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:06,560 morning yes and this this is an opport to have an immediate remedy for you yeah 62 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:11,680 right so I hope that kind of explains the process I it's so new to 63 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:17,199 everybody it's new to USO in the past this wasn't set up right well what I 64 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:21,240 understood is that it's illegal to collect uh tax dollars and have a 65 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:25,960 business in a residential neighborhood so that is where the conflict that I'm 66 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:32,360 having the biggest issue with okay understand Holiday Island is a vacation 67 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:36,000 community so but still as a home buyer yeah that's my conflex yeah because 68 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,360 we're all homeowners too so we understand I'd like to address that 69 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:43,400 comment please the state legislature said that the cities cannot regulate 70 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:47,720 short-term rentals any different than than the single family residents so the 71 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:51,360 issue of having a business of short-term rental is a non-issue as far as the 72 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:55,880 state of Arkansas is concerned we can't prevent it for that 73 00:05:53,120 --> 00:06:00,240 reason okay you're saying that the state has made it basically legal to operate 74 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:05,960 businesses in residential neighbor they've made it yes um there are U 75 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:10,000 homebased businesses that we have in our regulations but specifically short-term 76 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,400 rental says we cannot limit their business as short-term rental business 77 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:19,080 in a residence specifically to short-term 78 00:06:15,479 --> 00:06:25,160 rental but by issuing a permit and reviewing that permit on a year-to-year 79 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:30,560 basis we can then take action if they didn't live up to the uh Covenant or not 80 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:34,520 covenants the ordinances the specifics of the 81 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:40,039 ordinance yeah that's why this was started because we didn't know how many 82 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:45,479 shortterm rentals or were it was just or where they were you know where they were 83 00:06:42,479 --> 00:06:49,720 and nobody knew how to contact anybody so 84 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:54,520 now in order to get them accepted by the commi by the 85 00:06:52,199 --> 00:06:57,919 Planning Commission we're making a place signs out in front of their house so 86 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:03,639 that everybody knows there's going to be Str Str there and if there's an Str Str 87 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:10,039 there you can go to the website and find out the owner their phone number their 88 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:18,319 con their immediate contact phone number so if you have a complaint you can 89 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:25,199 register it with them us the the police department the code enforcement you know 90 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:32,319 it's just that the reason we're doing this is because it was just wild west 91 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:38,919 before no one knew who owned what you know who was in charge of what 92 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:46,360 who is responsible and this way we kind of get a grasp on what's going on and 93 00:07:43,479 --> 00:07:54,159 the bad apples get they don't get their permit renewed can I ask you a 94 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:59,080 question so you so some percentage a high percentage of problems have 95 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:03,479 occurred at this address do you have any thoughts on why this one particular 96 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:07,720 address is having these problems because we're not I don't know I don't want to 97 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:13,680 say we don't see this problem but I don't think we're hearing about this 98 00:08:09,599 --> 00:08:17,039 problem in sleeps six to eight people so it has at least three bedrooms in 99 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,720 sleeping on the couch so it can accommodate bigger groups so it 100 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,440 accommodate some big groups during bikes Foods barbecue there's at least eight 101 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:32,479 motorcycles over there that are in my parking spot right so it's been 102 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:41,080 just very stressful I'm sure yeah is yes yes um is it on Airbnb or verbo is it's 103 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:47,760 onaa because we understand too that if you call them to complain they stop 104 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:53,959 renting the property until its result if it happens three times I sometimes it 105 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:59,040 could be an allegation that's not but it happens three consistent allegations 106 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:02,560 that are wrong they won't B them anymore so you have one more person yes I didn't 107 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:10,760 mean to so going with what you're saying if 108 00:09:06,519 --> 00:09:10,760 somebody else's parking in here spot 109 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:21,160 cond um can you legally have that car Cod we don't have anything in the city 110 00:09:18,839 --> 00:09:26,959 ordinances for toying cars but in the but you can have a toes 111 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:32,399 and maybe it'd be your bill but probably not in the 112 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:39,959 end yeah I I live on the island also and I I know of one instance where somebody 113 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:45,440 parked across the driveway of a house in my neighborhood and that homeowner came 114 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:50,240 out and did have it own I know of that instance and I don't know the end result 115 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:55,000 of that but I think you would have the right if somebody's parked in your 116 00:09:52,200 --> 00:10:01,320 driveway or across your driveway maybe as long as those spots are eally marked 117 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,320 maybe that would be 118 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:10,600 so another question with with this regulation which just sounds really good 119 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:16,240 to me do this apply both to single homes as well as multi-unit like condos it 120 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:22,040 applies to any residents is conducting business as a short-term rental okay and 121 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:30,480 the the HOA um bylaws or the um 122 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:33,640 can put some additional regulations on that on the HOA can put some additional 123 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:39,920 regulations on that if you're talking about a condo that has an HOA 124 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:44,880 likely but the city can't City can't can't but maybe you're if it's an HOA 125 00:10:41,959 --> 00:10:49,279 they may why can an HOA regulate against it but a city can't because HOAs are 126 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:56,320 considered differently than City governments HOAs are private entities 127 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,320 city government is public 128 00:10:56,680 --> 00:11:04,160 inty HOAs and poas have a lot more power over their property owners than the city 129 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:09,839 does yeah because it's contractual when you sign your contract for purchase that 130 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:15,200 you'll AG agree with the homeowners association you're a member of a of an 131 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:21,639 organization so if you got enough of that the neighbors in there to agree to 132 00:11:17,399 --> 00:11:27,440 alter the the uh the covenants then it could be banned by majority vote of the 133 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:33,480 neighbors get yourself elected to the board if you're talking the C of the HOA 134 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:38,800 yes that be part of the Covenant or could that be part of the um bylaws it'd 135 00:11:35,959 --> 00:11:42,959 be part likely it's your HOA bylaws how you conduct business if you do the 136 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:46,480 Covenant you go very expensive process the Covenant the Covenant affects more 137 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:50,360 than HOA it would affect if you're talking about the the Covenant on your 138 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:55,440 property that's the all the owners of property in the unit not just the HOA of 139 00:11:53,200 --> 00:12:00,519 what's in that building so you could you could amend just by amending the the um 140 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:06,360 bylaws and that could address that absolutely and the other thing in the uh 141 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:11,560 process of applying for these permits they have to say how many parking spaces 142 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:16,639 that they have and they're only supposed to have the number of vehicles there for 143 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:21,720 the parking spaces that are allocated to that particular property and aren't they 144 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:27,079 supposed to have the documentation in the unit itself yes about that as well 145 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:33,639 yeah often times there's there's more than two cars to property at the 92 146 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Beaver their claim is they have two parking spaces see and I would I would 147 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:44,040 encourage them to in that case I would encourage them to put Park their boat 148 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:48,480 and trailer down at the at the parking lot down by the 149 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:55,040 marina well I just feel like after work it's not my place to have to go knocking 150 00:12:50,320 --> 00:13:01,720 on the door right so so Paul call number it yeah I don't know a lot about 151 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:06,639 OAS but I'm assuming there's a board of the HOA and everything is done yes when 152 00:13:04,199 --> 00:13:10,040 I first moved in and realized that I had moved bought a place next to a vacation 153 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,959 rental I wrote a letter to the board and the owner of the property is out of the 154 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:18,480 board of the it has been on the board for since the ' 80s so they just said 155 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:24,199 you know we're sorry Sarah but he's been a board member since 1985 and you know 156 00:13:21,399 --> 00:13:30,560 we're just we understand he's only one V though maybe 157 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:34,480 not laws there's a limit to how long a 158 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:39,040 person could be on the board and a lot of these boards um 159 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:45,000 circumvent that because nobody else wants to be on it right so if somebody 160 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:47,880 else wants to be on that position they can't be on 161 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:57,639 again and if and if that vehicle was trespassing on your property we do have 162 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:03,519 a 24-hour Police Service you know we've contracted with Carol p and we've got 163 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:09,160 two full-time deputies that are 24 hours just for holiday iow so it's the sheriff 164 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:13,880 not the police right it's the sheriff's department Sheriff County Sheriff's 165 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:17,519 Department is our law enforcement armor and they're always 166 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:21,040 here there's just two so I don't think they're covered 24/7 I don't know what 167 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,079 their hours are and they vary that for the reason of you know not letting 168 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:28,199 people know where they're at so they can't be you know doing things when 169 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:32,320 they're not around yeah cuz I mean often times you know when there's a problem 170 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:37,240 and I live bu in uh the west side of the county too and it's an hour before a law 171 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:41,600 enforcement officer can get there that's unacceptable when you have an emergency 172 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:47,360 absolutely we agree does a conditional use permit 173 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:54,639 require that their parking spes be adequately marked no okay because it 174 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:58,600 doesn't it wasn't considered when when we when we passed it where can you get a 175 00:14:57,399 --> 00:15:01,920 copy of the ordinance of the things that they're supposed good here too the 176 00:15:00,079 --> 00:15:09,079 easiest place is to see them on the on the website okay or and it's um city of 177 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:14,240 Holiday Island website and if you go up to the top and find governance and slide 178 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:20,360 down to ordinances then there's a table here for 179 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:24,399 all the 23 and 24 ordinances and our ordinance for this 180 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:30,360 case is 23-16 establishes short-term conditions 181 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,759 and you click on that link and it lights that up and you click it and the 182 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:37,360 ordinance comes up on your screen and from there you can download it or print 183 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:45,000 it the ordinance that we let's see that's the short-term ordinance yeah 184 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:49,560 there's a business license ordinance that we pass after that is 185 00:15:46,839 --> 00:15:53,720 23-20 that'll be in effect and required for short-term rentals when they renew 186 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,720 next 187 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:04,279 year may when this comes up for renewal good requiring adequately marked paring 188 00:16:01,319 --> 00:16:08,759 being added to that we would certainly consider 189 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:12,680 that the the problem that we have is the city doesn't own those streets and I 190 00:16:11,199 --> 00:16:17,240 don't know the city has privilege to tell someone you have to put paint under 191 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:23,360 Street or signage or anything like that we don't own those streets they're 192 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:28,560 heids so that that is a a road block that we have is it possible for the 193 00:16:25,319 --> 00:16:32,480 homeowners association to do what you're asking 194 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:36,800 to Mark probably yeah the lines there used to be lines 195 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:41,959 painted and now there's not even any lines in fact we thought about just 196 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:47,759 painting lines and painting numbers on there just to 197 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:51,720 help problem yeah you know but you know there again if it was regular neighbors 198 00:16:50,199 --> 00:16:56,480 there you wouldn't never have a problem sure but when you got a retrain a 199 00:16:53,360 --> 00:17:01,440 neighbor every weekend it's a problem and it get it wears on you you know 200 00:16:58,199 --> 00:17:05,919 there there is no good reason why we have to sell out our cities so that 201 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,160 people can make money off of it that's all they're doing and there's place if 202 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,720 they want to be in the lodging business they can buy a hotel in your experence 203 00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:16,520 they can buy they H could have bought Farmhouse you know it's s shut down and 204 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:20,400 turned in to long-term rentals because they can't get short-term rental people 205 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:25,880 to go stay there right this is it it is it is insane that we're allowing this in 206 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:29,559 our community it is absolute Insanity that a few people want to make some 207 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,720 money off our neighborhoods so they want to turn it into a brothel and and I'm 208 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:38,000 telling you there's a certain amount of prostitution that goes on in short-term 209 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:42,080 rentals if you don't think so just do do the research they're used for 210 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:46,080 prostitution they're used for spring break parties where they pile up people 211 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:49,919 in there more than can fit drunk all night in music and it may not bother you 212 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:54,360 because your head is not six inches from it like hers and mine is at night we're 213 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:59,120 six inches on the other side of wall from all that going on and you don't 214 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,919 know who they are when someone moves you can check their background you know who 215 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:06,080 they are if they're a sex offender guess what they have to do they have to notify 216 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:10,240 every neighbor if some freak wants to rent that property all they need is a 217 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:14,880 cell phone and a credit card and we are selling out our Safety and Security so 218 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:20,159 that somebody can make a buck and it's crap it needs to stop somebody here 219 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:25,440 needs to have the guts to stop it in the town and ordinates against it and let 220 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:29,159 this let the state sue you well that's somebody else is going to sue you when 221 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:33,679 you guys somebody gets hurt when goes and kills somebody's kid or rape 222 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:38,200 somebody's grandmother which is going to happen it's not if it's when it happens 223 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:42,840 then there's going to be another lawsuit and somebody will have the guts 224 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:47,480 to stop it at that time right now nobody does because everybody's making a little 225 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:51,159 money on it that's doing it and they're not doing it in their neighborhood I can 226 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:55,480 guarantee you wherever Mr Bob hind lives in a fancy neighborhood where it's not 227 00:18:52,679 --> 00:18:59,919 allowed but because someone can only afford to live in a condo or chooses to 228 00:18:57,159 --> 00:19:04,640 live in a condo by wanting a simpler lifestyle they get told hey guess what 229 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:07,480 you got to have this business next door and you got to retrain your neighbor 230 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:12,000 every weekend because we're not going to tell them what to do and if we do 231 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:16,760 they're not going to listen it's crap and it needs to be stopped here by you 232 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:22,880 guys denying these permits you six people have the power to say 233 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:26,960 no you do and and I want to see you do it and if you don't then we need to find 234 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:30,480 people that will do it because I don't think it's fair it's not fair to 235 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:34,360 everyone else that lives with it because they're not 236 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:38,159 here they're not here and it's it's disturbing to think that there could be 237 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:42,039 a killer right next to our and we don't know who they 238 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:45,640 are it happens don't don't think it doesn't you know it's just somebody's 239 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:51,200 going to have to put their foot down and be the ones to stop it you know we can 240 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:54,840 deny those permits we maybe we can't say oh you can't do in our time you know 241 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:59,320 what we can do not approved not approved not approved and I think that's what you 242 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:03,799 guys should do because we a problem with it if no one else had a problem they can 243 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:09,120 go on with it but I'm going to tell you it's a problem ordinance if it's a 244 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:13,919 problem it has to be denied I I sympathize with your problem and and 245 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:18,240 we've explained that the state legislature has approved these things 246 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:22,240 the state legisl not sleeping six inches from these 247 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:27,640 folks La is going to have a lot more teeth yeah it's going to have a lot more 248 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:33,919 influence in what happens and really that's in my opinion I'm the vice 249 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:38,360 president of R and I'll be also president next year the point of it is 250 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:44,000 that that's going to have a lot more teeth and a lot more power than any 251 00:20:41,159 --> 00:20:47,679 public government is going to have and unfor I mean that's well they vote on it 252 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:52,159 so they're the ones that have the power you you people power if they're if 253 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:56,159 they're raising heck just call the police or call they don't show up and 254 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,960 why why should we be forced to call the cops every weekend that something's 255 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:04,200 going on we got well does it happen every weekend no but if it happens two 256 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:08,520 weekends a month that's too many well how many how many times does it happen a 257 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:14,840 lot in three years more than she can number twice a week a month on average 258 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:19,559 but we've also given you we've given you a method to get P problem to complain we 259 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,520 don't want to be brushed under the rad we want something done about it tonight 260 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,880 where this will not be approved and if it is approved then it's going to be a 261 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:30,559 problem tonight we're giving you a phone number well we don't want a phone number 262 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:34,240 we want you guys to vote against it is what we're telling you we want you to 263 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:38,000 have the gut to stop it for us on our behalf okay you understand and if you 264 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:41,720 guys can't then we'll have to go to the next level whichever whatever that is 265 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,760 and we don't want to do that it's costly it's going to waste everybody's time and 266 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:48,520 money the city can't afford lawsuits like that no more than we can but you 267 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:53,000 know we also can't afford is our devalued property value because there's 268 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:56,440 a business next door let me help you with your appeal process it goes to the 269 00:21:54,799 --> 00:22:02,200 city council if we do something you don't agree with okay okay then then it 270 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:07,360 would go to a County Court sure so the next step if we approve something you 271 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:11,480 dislike and you have uh I don't how many days it was 15 or 30 days to appeal that 272 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:15,240 to the city council City council's meeting is next Tuesday night for the 273 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:18,880 first one well let's just hope we make the 274 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,559 right decision tonight and and don't approve these things because it's a 275 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:27,559 problem already and you're just going to open up a c worms by approving it is 276 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,240 what is what's going to happen I I see it not just here there's going to be 277 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:36,880 other people that are going to be unhappy just like we are because we live 278 00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:41,520 in a house and we have a hotel next door we didn't buy a room in a hotel we 279 00:22:38,919 --> 00:22:45,679 bought a she bought a condo in a Condo building not a hotel like if she went to 280 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:49,400 The Farmhouse and bought a hotel room she certainly understand why that was 281 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:52,480 going on and couldn't complain about it you buy a house in a neighborhood you 282 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,799 expected to be a neighborhood in Neighbors not every other Tom Dick and 283 00:22:54,520 --> 00:23:00,480 Harry every other weekend over there you know it's just not fair and there's 284 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:04,480 there's other places folks can make money and if they can't afford to own a 285 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:08,400 condo then sell it it's not even their main residence it's just a vacation home 286 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:13,240 for that can I ask you a question yeah you you know this person's name correct 287 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:18,480 yes that owns it Robert inski yeah have you talked to 288 00:23:15,159 --> 00:23:24,080 him I have written letters to our condo association and and talked to him in 289 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:28,960 person him to label the the parkings he knows he's heard me we I've 290 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:34,880 introduced myself to him and know him his life when they say they 291 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:41,240 come twice a year usually and what does he say about your 292 00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:46,320 complaint well he just doesn't really say anything he just avoids the 293 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:50,840 questions and avoids the subject and changes the subject pretty much doesn't 294 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:55,520 want to talk about it because I know because he's on the board of our condo 295 00:23:52,520 --> 00:24:00,960 association I know he's read my letters so okay so he knows where I stand and he 296 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,840 just doesn't really say anything about it because they're there twice a year 297 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:09,559 they don't really have to see any besides running them perhaps twice a 298 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:13,559 year it's easy they're you know making enough money to cover their condo 299 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:19,159 association dues and their taxes and everything so it would really help us if 300 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:25,120 you would try to quantify when this happened take pictures whatever so that 301 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:31,039 we know so that we'll have something to go against them and like I said earlier 302 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:37,240 why we started this no one knew anything before you know that's why we started 303 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:42,399 this we were trying to get a a control of it you know I 304 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:46,399 mean things things wouldn't have changed if we hadn't started this and they had 305 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:50,960 to post the sign let me ask you guys a question what what would make you not 306 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:55,720 want to disapprove this like for what reason would you want to approve this 307 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,720 short-term rental I'm just 308 00:24:55,799 --> 00:25:03,320 curious I want to approve it so so that we know who they are and where they 309 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:08,600 operate their business and make certain that the taxes are collected properly so 310 00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:13,480 the city benefits from that but also so that we have a contact that we have a 311 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:18,039 local person someone within an hour and he apparently lives in Eureka Springs is 312 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:23,320 supposed to be here and on site that'd be the first person I would call and 313 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:28,039 then beyond that taking a permit away would give us more teeth in a courtroom 314 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:33,760 about pursuing problems in the future and and to do that if I could interject 315 00:25:31,159 --> 00:25:38,919 if you could document every problem you have from this day forward at this time 316 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:44,480 next year when we come back and he we have to approve him or he makes his 317 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:48,120 application again and we have the documentation then we can take the type 318 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:52,679 of action I think you're looking for well but you're hearing it now and you 319 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:57,200 guys are stilling it you know I don't have pictures I don't have I don't have 320 00:25:54,799 --> 00:26:01,080 the dates yes is there somewhere on the application where they have to get 321 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:06,720 signatures of the neighbors they do not okay I some but if you had dates and and 322 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:10,960 the number of times we call called this number the number of times you've 323 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:15,960 complained to the the short-term rental agency if we had all that documentation 324 00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:22,039 then we would have leg to stand on in a court of block we had to go that far 325 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:30,320 this has gone through numerous States okay and they've all supported the idea 326 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:35,480 that a person is allowed to property and the person who owns that property has 327 00:26:32,679 --> 00:26:42,960 that right the only real way to circumvent that is through the 328 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:49,440 HOA now a person abuses that then um public entities can intervene but until 329 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:54,399 that happens public entities don't have a lot of teeth because the the PO 330 00:26:51,720 --> 00:27:01,320 Supreme Courts have supported their right to do that and I think one of your 331 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:07,679 best remedies here is when this happens you contact the short-term rental agency 332 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:12,000 and register your complaint with them and at some point they'll quit listing 333 00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:16,080 that property yeah because what you're asking us to do not approve it 334 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:20,640 retroactively because of the things that have gone on historically you know not 335 00:27:18,679 --> 00:27:24,320 the things that have gone on since they've been 336 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:28,520 approved how often do you guys are you going to review these complaints and 337 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:33,039 review the application is it yearly or it's my recollection that our ordinance 338 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:36,559 says it could be pulled at any time so you know if the complaints or you know 339 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:42,679 one event might be enough to cause it to be pulled okay you know so the Don 340 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:48,159 suggests you call the the uh rental firm the marketplace whoever whatever they 341 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:52,000 calleda masassa but also contact you know in document you contact the local 342 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:57,440 contact you contacted the owner and then our code enforcement officer because 343 00:27:53,760 --> 00:28:03,519 he's he's our Civic person that handles our code our ordinances the law 344 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,000 enforcement gets involved also but and I would register the every complaint with 345 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:11,240 the HOA yeah that I think that would be a 346 00:28:08,679 --> 00:28:16,399 good idea I I sympathize with you and I think the only way you're going to get 347 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:22,159 satisfaction is to go through the steps it's the other thing that by the city 348 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:27,200 doing this then that allows HOA then to know who is running these properties 349 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:33,399 because without this the H really doesn't know who is it who is it this 350 00:28:30,679 --> 00:28:38,720 the HOA some enforcement find out who these folks are and what's going on so 351 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:43,519 the other question is that I've got for you guys is if somebody tries to 352 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:50,880 circumvent this by not getting a permit or not getting a license what's the 353 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:55,799 penalty to my recollection it's $250 a day and not per starting from what day 354 00:28:53,480 --> 00:29:00,600 to what day whenever it's discovered whenever we say shop and deceased 355 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:05,440 whenever we discover it when did you guys enact the ordinance of having to 356 00:29:02,679 --> 00:29:10,080 apply to the conditional use perat I'll get that for 357 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:16,360 you um we did that ordinance and well I think it was like 358 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:22,919 in September I Rec but I can pull it up3 sounds yes number 16 and was there what 359 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:27,799 90 days that they were supposed to from the time you enacted it no we we said we 360 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:31,279 have until July 1st before penalty started 361 00:29:29,159 --> 00:29:38,559 this year 2024 yes so July so this is an acted of 362 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:45,120 September 19th 23 and this process is actually designed so that there are some 363 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:50,720 consequences for these Bad actors which before has never happened I mean you 364 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:56,640 know at all so yeah the permit can be pulled if there are 365 00:29:53,360 --> 00:30:02,640 documented uh you know instances incidences of misbehavior that kind of 366 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:06,720 thing so I can I can I really sympathize with the frustration that you're going 367 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:12,799 through I can only imagine yeah and Lynn can't the code enforcer go over there 368 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:17,600 and give them a a site site give them a citation about parking violations yeah 369 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:20,720 if they're parking if they're parking on the street and that kind of thing but we 370 00:30:19,159 --> 00:30:25,600 can't give them a citation for parking at somebody else's driveway that's true 371 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:30,240 or another parking spot what in in the public place on the public RightWay your 372 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:35,720 parking lots your parking spots over the pave right yes PA yeah cuz ours are but 373 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:40,039 if they've illegally parked a boat you could give them a citation on that it's 374 00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:43,320 prob yeah my guess because of that neighborhood it would be parked in the 375 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,640 street me too or on the street partially or something well that's what they do 376 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:51,120 when there's three and then we're both there they park on the street yeah then 377 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:56,360 it's a hazard and you have we all have cameras now with with with 378 00:30:53,919 --> 00:31:01,320 cameras we' got some pictures pictures yeah already yeah I'm Miss spoke on the 379 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:07,360 penalty it's on the screen it's uh not less than $250 nor more than $500 so 380 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:11,880 it's a single event of them uh being fined or assessed to fine for having a 381 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:17,559 short-term rental without a permit but then there's a second and a third yeah 382 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:23,799 and it could go up to $1,000 yeah and that's per day or per rental per 383 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,799 occurrence per occurrence yeah 384 00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:32,360 okay any other public 385 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:45,480 comments then I'm going to close the public hearing comments and uh do we 386 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:49,159 want to read these in or no that be the regular meeting process okay all right 387 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:56,840 then we'll close the public hearing comments this public hearing is 388 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:59,840 adjourned okay feel plan thank you thanks for listening every 389 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,080 what do your guys 390 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:34,360 meet say welcome to the regular how long dated March 12 391 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:39,279 2024 I call this meeting to order we've had the Pledge of Allegiance so we'll 392 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:44,320 forgo that Mr secretary will you call the role please certainly chairman house 393 00:32:41,639 --> 00:32:50,480 here Vice chair Smith here commissioner Childers here commissioner Ralph present 394 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:55,039 secondary Dumis here all present okay everybody has seen you agenda would 395 00:32:53,000 --> 00:33:00,880 anybody like to make a motion I'll move that we approve the 396 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:06,639 agenda I'll second move to Second all those in favor 397 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:12,760 I okay uh we have the everybody's read the uh public hearing minutes from 398 00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:18,080 February 21st 2023 uh do I have a motion to approve 399 00:33:15,399 --> 00:33:27,159 those minutes motion to approve and kudos to the secretary for capsizing 400 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:33,679 everything yeah second we have ocean and a second 401 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:40,039 I hearing discussion okay all those in favor I do I have a 402 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:45,320 motion to approve the minut from the regular meeting of February 21st 2023 403 00:33:42,919 --> 00:33:51,840 I'll make the motion we approve the regular meeting minutes from February 404 00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:57,399 21 second the motion mov and seconded all those in favor I okay we don't have 405 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,399 any reports we don't have any old business 406 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:04,200 new business deliberations on the public 407 00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:07,720 hearing comments regarding continual conditional use applications do we ever 408 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:12,280 to read these land well I'd like to make a comment 409 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:16,760 okay let's well I'd like to ask a question go ahead your question first 410 00:34:14,359 --> 00:34:22,079 maybe well my question to the chair is can I ask the secretary who's more 411 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:28,919 knowledgeable about all of this than us uh what our status is I mean in terms of 412 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:33,520 approving these at at this point in time we're approving them and then once we 413 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:38,879 get complaints we'll withdraw them right isn't it a little difficult legally for 414 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:43,320 us to decline them at this point in time no I think if if we had sufficient 415 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:48,000 evidence we could probably say that it's not going to be approved uh if you 416 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:52,359 recall in the uh I didn't bring that up but the the commissioner's brief where I 417 00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:56,159 put in um the application and then the vetting that I do that if the 418 00:34:54,200 --> 00:35:00,119 information isn't correct or it's not valid or it doesn't apply or there' be 419 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,359 some technical reason why we shouldn't approve it we could just you know not 420 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,440 approve a certain ordinance or certain regulation certain certain certain 421 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:12,760 resolution to approve a permit we could turn that down for those reasons can we 422 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:18,440 ask that homeowner to provide additional documentation for us we 423 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:23,440 could that point time documentation no I've been fing this as I go along okay 424 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:28,040 would that be helpful though for somebody to have to come back a second 425 00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:33,119 time and say well we've there's been problems in the past but we're going to 426 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:39,640 C up our act I think I think first off we have to show cause yeah that's my 427 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:44,880 worry too I don't without cause I don't know how you can turn it 428 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:50,680 down yeah and cause has to be evidence yeah I would think a video would really 429 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:55,000 help a video pictures whatever but with nothing I know there's no cause to to 430 00:35:53,400 --> 00:36:00,160 turn it down how are you going to explain to these people that without 431 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:07,319 cause yeah you just arbitrarily Deni them they're permanent if if you had 432 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:12,960 sorry if you had police reports of that nature some sort of 433 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:17,760 documentation video police reports I think you would have cost yeah because I 434 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:22,920 don't you know we we can't make decisions that get the city in any kind 435 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:30,640 of bind and that's what I'm also looking at you know I sympathize greatly but I 436 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:36,359 also know we need documentation you I agree and I sympathize greatly as well 437 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:41,760 but I honestly think going forward the fastest remedy for any of these people 438 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:47,200 is our code enforcement officer who works for the city not the county and 439 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:52,000 we'll document every time you call him he's going to make a report and it's 440 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:56,400 going to be well documented yes he can come to our meeting well he what he 441 00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:00,800 would do is he'd make a report he would go in the file of this application and 442 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:05,280 then if the you know on his recommendation or maybe because the 443 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,880 evidence is so strong he gets the mayor involved the mayor or his representative 444 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,960 probably the code enforcement officer recommend pulling it and that's the 445 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:20,440 process yeah good thought good conversation thank you and I misspoke 446 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:25,800 earlier too about uh the appeal time the appeal time frame is 15 days so if 447 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,920 there's a a reason to appeal our decision to the city council Within 448 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:33,520 within 15 days you have to make that appeal and then it'll be heard at the 449 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,520 next city council 450 00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:46,000 meeting okay yeah the other thing I was going to 451 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:51,760 comment was that we've had I think these are number was 56 or so that we've that 452 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:58,599 were to the point of approving and they're all the same rules 453 00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:03,000 they apply to residents the city council or the city ordinances apply to 454 00:38:00,319 --> 00:38:07,680 residences just like they do to the short-term rentals and none of the 455 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:12,400 property owners have objected to any of that they've gone without problems and 456 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:17,359 the last meeting we had we had a couple people speak maybe three about a 457 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:22,960 specific Resident was a onetime occurrence we heard more tonight about a 458 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:28,680 specific resident so you know obviously the problems can't exist we don't ignore 459 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,960 that can't ignore it and the the way sound carries depending 460 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,000 where they at they it might sound like they're next door but they might be 461 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,800 halfway across the lake you know it's just the way we are so we'll have to 462 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:45,200 deal with it and I think some residents are are 463 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:50,760 better sued for short-term rentals than others I mean I think that condos are 464 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:57,599 definitely a problem I mean parking is is tight walls are thin and there's 465 00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:02,960 shared Outdoor Living Spaces you know yeah yeah I think that you know it's one 466 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:08,960 thing to rent a house that's up in the woods all by itself you do what you want 467 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:14,280 when you're next door to a condo you you you got to have a little decency to be 468 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:17,280 considerate of others so 469 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:29,359 but any further discussion Commissioners okay why don't we read the 470 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,359 uh resolutions Mr 471 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,720 can we read the resolutions or do we need a motion to 472 00:39:33,319 --> 00:39:40,200 approve them and then process do I have a 473 00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:45,800 motion me do you have a motion to approve 474 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:52,880 yeah I have a second second may I amend the motion to read it 475 00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:58,000 by title yes you may okay um 476 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:04,119 C or application 24-10 477 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:13,400 2412 read 2401 26-1 for property at 168 holid Island 478 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:25,000 Drive 24 01262 for property at 78 Beaver Drive 2402 02-1 for property 8 Bandy 479 00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:34,440 Drive 2402 02-2 for property at 108 Hawk Drive 24202 3 for property at 47 Oak 480 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:41,200 Point Drive 24205 D1 for property at 1 Oak Drive 481 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:50,079 property application 24206 D1 for property 49 T Rock Drive application 482 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:59,240 24206 D2 for property at 45 Sky View Lane and application 483 00:40:53,319 --> 00:40:59,240 24263 for property at 92 baver Drive 484 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:12,920 Mr secretary Nicole RS chairman house 485 00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:20,720 hi Vice chair Smith hi commissioner chers hi commissioner Ralph here and 486 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:26,240 secretary Dumis hi all in favor resolution 487 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:31,319 passes okay 488 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:36,319 next we'll consider the resolution for hcpc R 489 00:41:33,319 --> 00:41:42,520 24-30 resolution establishing street addresses for unit 129 block one lot 2D 490 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:50,079 ubl 1291 491 00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:59,599 D2D lot 3A ubl 129 1-1-3 a and lot 3B ubl 129 492 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,599 d13b and Holiday 493 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:07,920 Island I looked at the the map and the information that Lyn s and I mean it's 494 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:13,319 logical that those would be the addresses that we would put on that 495 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:18,240 location uh and it it may not be pertinent all this but is there any can 496 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:22,240 you give us any history or prediction of what's going to happen with those yes um 497 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:27,599 the owner of this property and his name's on the bottom of that uh of the 498 00:42:24,839 --> 00:42:34,079 plat Mr Terry Presley he a builder all island has purchased those uh those lots 499 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:38,760 lot two which is a little smaller lot two is the portion of the map that comes 500 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:44,760 down vertically north to south 1292 through a through D and lot three A and 501 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:51,760 B and he subdivided those properties some time ago and he built houses on 1-2 502 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:57,640 a b and c and now he's a starting to work on one 12d the one on the corner 503 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:02,960 and so in order for for him to get a building permit he needed an address for 504 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:07,720 that so in our ordinance it says our ordinance says that the 911 505 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:11,400 administrator signs addresses but since we passed that ordinance learned that 506 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:18,000 it's different but in light of that I went to the 911 cordinator and uh she 507 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:23,079 recommended that these addresses 18 14 and 10 be assigned to these properties 508 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:28,440 for reasons she had I suggested 10 12 and 14 but she wanted to do it with a 509 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:33,559 broader range then word does he does Terry Presley still own all 510 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:36,280 this or yes he does well I don't no I don't think he owns any of these houses 511 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:40,520 anymore I think they're all sold I didn't think so either I thought just 512 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,559 the empty lots on the corner okay but you anticipate they're going to be 513 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:48,200 developed he's going to be building yes he's he's started development or digging 514 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,440 on this lot but he hasn't put any work in the ground because he doesn't have 515 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:57,319 yet these are right next to the time shares yeah the Time Shares are back 516 00:43:53,640 --> 00:44:02,079 here yeah this back corner right and the house is going to face 517 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,839 Shields and I you know little discussion I think he I don't know if he had it 518 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:09,440 with me or others but there's no address he can sign on Fairway Drive anymore 519 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:14,319 because of the way they were done in the past in fact it's it's kind of weird 520 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:20,040 because whoever did it in the past this corner lot right here has a one Fairway 521 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:26,720 address and then right next to it up in the corner is two Fairway or something 522 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:30,880 at the top so so he did the two or it's it's 1 three it's three around the 523 00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:34,839 corner but then two is clear at the top and then it's two ABC and E coming down 524 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,520 the down the row so this house is building here is going to exit out on 525 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:43,319 Shields and the shields address is appropriate for doing that but those 526 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:48,520 three he built were two a b and c yes for for mailing addresses okay and a 911 527 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:52,559 um administrator want to chew me a little bit for doing that she we're not 528 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:59,200 supposed to use letters and addresses didn't do it didn't do it that's why the 529 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:05,920 city's in charge of the addresses across the street have a CD on them too and I 530 00:45:03,319 --> 00:45:12,040 don't recall so I can pull it now I don't have any more of 531 00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:16,559 that so anyway uh she she plugged in 104 and 18 so that works for me so I can 532 00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:20,960 spread this out if it gets changed yeah yeah okay one let SE it's going to be 533 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:30,119 developed yeah so I make a motion that we accept 534 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:39,800 resolution hipc R 24-30 establishing street addresses 535 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:44,119 for those unit block lot numbers okay second 536 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:47,640 second where is your Smith is second digit would you call 537 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:55,920 rooll Mr House hi Mr Smith I miss chillers yes Mr Ralph I and Mr Dumis I 538 00:45:55,079 --> 00:46:01,440 all in favor resolution 539 00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:06,880 passes I'll open it up for public comments with a three minute time limit 540 00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:06,880 any 541 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:15,359 comments any commissioner comments uh our next meeting oh this I'm 542 00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:19,480 sorry this next on agenda mind okay have about a commissioner question does 911 543 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:25,440 have the authority the final Authority on setting addresses uh she said that um 544 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,200 I if it's state law or County regulations that the city is responsible 545 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:33,599 for assigning street addresses oh inside the municipal limits 546 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,720 they assign them outside of Municipal limits for the city because we're a city 547 00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:42,520 the city's responsible for it okay in our ordinance and that responsibility 548 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,520 comes to the Planning 549 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:50,839 Commission okay do you know how many we have for 550 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:56,000 next time I have 11 I believe on the list so far and you know the deadline 551 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:59,000 was today but I bend the rules a bit I'll open the mail tomorrow tomorrow 552 00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:04,559 morning and then I submit it to the paper by noon 553 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,079 so the the office administrator wasn't here today there may have been something 554 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,800 in the mail today I haven't seen but I'll wait till tomorrow 555 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:18,559 morning so you know the deadline the question was asked when do they have to 556 00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:24,119 had this done they have to apply by May 14th to get it on the June agenda to 557 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:30,160 avoid a July 1 penalty so and we we I if I'm doing the 558 00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:34,920 work is going to rely on the public a lot to help me know who's not got them 559 00:47:33,319 --> 00:47:38,240 you well that's what I was going I was going to ask but it sounds a little like 560 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:44,640 a schoolyard kind of thing are we going to put out something that says we have 561 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:48,520 now issued all of the short-term rentals that we 562 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:52,880 know if if there's one in your neighborhood contact the city I didn't 563 00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:56,400 want to make a public plea like that I was going to say it sounds good but I 564 00:47:54,359 --> 00:48:01,000 have contacted all of the marketplace facility 565 00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:05,680 vbo Airbnb vassa and there was two others by email I got response from one 566 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:09,440 and gave me the list the other said we won't give out that information but 567 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,680 we'll contact them uh through our email system and I got confirmation from one 568 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:17,800 property owner they were contacted they forward the the mail to me basically 569 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:22,920 took my letter and reformat a little bit but I haven't heard anything from Airbnb 570 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:28,440 or VRBO yet okay and we mailed out cards to every residence CH we mailed cards to 571 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:36,280 every proper prop owner of improved property in Holiday Island right did you 572 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:46,920 all get them by the way excellent I did Don sure can I take your comment 573 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:53,400 right so um if the ownership of property changes does that um permit continue on 574 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:58,160 to the next owner no the permits are not transferable they're not transferable 575 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:03,079 okay so so somebody buys property in September and they want to do this they 576 00:49:01,319 --> 00:49:07,760 can go through the process again how long do that process day well they they 577 00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:11,799 make an application to me by the first Tuesday it'll be on the following 578 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:16,640 month's agenda it'll be about two months it's about 30 days minimum it could be 579 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:20,799 45 days you know if they they came to me on Thursday it's not going to happen 580 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:25,000 until May right because the April agenda is set tomorrow at noon so a new 581 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:29,720 property owner would have to come in make an application and start the whole 582 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,720 process individually 583 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:36,280 mhm and then technically after July they probably shouldn't operate their 584 00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:41,200 short-term until they have a permit okay so I don't rent my properties but let's 585 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:49,040 say next year I said hey maybe I want to do this so that I would go ahead and 586 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,040 send out an application I for the 587 00:49:51,079 --> 00:50:01,480 process okay if we don't have any more commissioner comments Mr Ralph me 588 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:09,079 m m chers dumus no uh our next regular meeting will be a 589 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:12,640 public hearing on April 9th 2024 at 6 PM the regular meeting will follow the 590 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:18,160 conclusion of the public hearing uh we don't have any special 591 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:22,119 meetings we don't have any workshops I declare this 592 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:31,400 meeting stop thank you for your 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