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OK, well good afternoon everyone. Welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission Work Meeting, March 24th, 2026. In attendance we

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have city staff.

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And legal counsel. And then we are absence Commissioner font.

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And, Commissioner.

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Prince, but everybody else is here and ready to rock'n'roll.

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We had two items up for public hearing tonight, but one of them has been rescheduled.

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So we have one item that we're going to do anything with today and.

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That's Royal Holiday Hill stuff. So with that, John, if you want to dive us right in.

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I'm excited.

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Great. That's OK, I'll.

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Since we're.

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Skeleton crew tonight, else steer from here.

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Tonight is.

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Application for preliminary site plan review for Block A.

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At the Royal Holiday Hills.

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Development site.

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Tonight you'll be looking at a full site.

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Plan Development plan for blockade which includes.

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Two primary retail paths.

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Which will be for three.

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Uses.

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Two on the north side and one on the South side.

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Separated by a parking lot.

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Surface parking lot.

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The uses.

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For this site or in the open.

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District for the open land use zone, which is your again your most flexible.

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Highest heights, most amount of uses, that type of thing.

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Recently.

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An amendment to the SDMP was made.

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To allow for development right up for here on the corner.

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Previously it was a placeholder.

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Purely for surface parking.

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But we went through the applicant, went through an amendment to the STMP and created that carve out.

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Right up on that corner to eliminate the parking only.

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And put in place.

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Allowance for retail commercial pads.

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So tonight you'll be looking at the site layout civil side.

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Access utilities, that type of thing.

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Parking associated for all three restaurant.

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Retail uses.

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And your design parameters.

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Two items that staff is asking the Planning Commission to pay.

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Close attention to.

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As you look through the drawings and consider.

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Deliberation with the applicant.

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On specifics.

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Are the design.

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Chose the chosen designs of the two retail areas up on the north side.

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And a request for landscape.

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Modifications for parking lot.

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Landscaping.

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And I'll go through those.

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Maybe we'll start with the the landscaping first.

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But overall, again, let me see if I can find a drawing that actually.

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Is representative that I can talk?

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I think it's at the very bottom.

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If memory serves, to sit through all these really heavy duty.

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Civil drawings.

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Yeah, let's use one of these.

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So this is oriented on your right side is the North End of the lot.

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Highland Drive at the north at the top side of the the screen.

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So around the corner.

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From Highland Drive and Murray Holiday Rd. Will be a pretty large landscape buffer.

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Before you get to the retail pads.

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Right up on the.

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The the most absolute corner will be the sites project signage.

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With the buffer up against the backside of the building.

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And as you come up the hill up Murray Holiday Rd.

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Before you get to.

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Roast drive that that intersection.

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There's a large transformer there and then our.

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Historic marker There's a historic marker for the city.

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Which will remain in place and be.

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Is being retained.

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As.

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That has been in there forever.

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I don't know. I think it's been there for at least 25 years.

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And and then primarily as you come down into Royce Drive.

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These areas are.

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Exists that they're going to be modified.

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As you come into for entrance points into the parking lot.

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The landscaping for this is sort of representative in this picture, but there's another drawing in here that.

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Is most reflective as to what the applicant is looking for.

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We're getting into the block, the other side.

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Here we go.

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If you.

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Some of you may recall there was an amendment to the.

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Tree sustainability code.

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Which required.

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Additional landscaped islands.

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To be played in placed.

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Whenever you have a new parking lot.

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That's being constructed or an existing parking lot that's being rebuilt.

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And in this case, we're looking at a new parking lot.

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And which requires 10% of the area.

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Have these landscape islands placed in them.

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The code.

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Requires these landscape items. They have the trees in them and also.

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Some buffering requirements between the buildings and.

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Parking lots.

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At the end of that ordinance there is administrative relief request.

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Which the applicant can.

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Proposed to the Planning Commission or whoever the land use authority.

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Is that time?

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Basically allows for that use.

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Those landscaping requirements to be relocated in.

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And buffered around another area on the.

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On the site.

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So in this case, they're asking to remove the.

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The four landscape.

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Islands and increase the buffer size around Highland Drive where those trees.

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Could be additional trees can be placed.

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Sorry, can you say that?

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Say that one more time.

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So there's there's four landscape islands here. I'm not sure why this is highlighted.

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Try to get this off.

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Maybe that's just how the drawing.

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But right in here.

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These four islands need to have landscaping in them to break up the parking lot.

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Yes, the applicant can request to relocate that.

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Area of trees.

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To increase.

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A buffer.

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Around the site, so they're asking to increase.

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This buffer width between Highland Drive and the parking lot.

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To include.

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Additional tree planting areas.

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But it looks like the same number of trees on both of these.

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It would be assumed so though I would have the applicant would need to bring that.

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To the Commission for that request.

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And that's a bus stop that's right there, right?

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That's a bus stop, so all those cute circles running out into the middle of it are going to not be there.

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Practically, because buses are going to pull up.

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Destroy whatever branches grow out there until they reach yeah high enough.

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That 13 1/2 foot, I think those are London planes back that are planted right there.

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13 1/2 feet.

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Above the travel light.

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Will have to be trimmed up.

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You can put in London planes.

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I think they're London. I think they're Sycam.

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Along there.

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No, they're there now.

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Yeah.

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On the West side.

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On the yeah east side of Highland drive as you come into the right hand turn lane as you go through the.

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The Street.

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Give a Street View of it on Google real quick. I thought all those were.

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Grass.

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Maybe I'm maybe my memories faded or these were newly planted ones.

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Newly OK.

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Some of them OK.

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See if this works.

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This is an earlier photo, but yeah.

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These don't have a Street View on the other side.

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Let's see if I can get. Oh, that's really old.

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That's where my ever made.

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Fading memory was like thinking of.

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Anyway, yeah, I'm pretty sure these are.

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All planted. These are all sycamores.

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Anyway, so those are the existing trees that are on.

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In this area, right along here.

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So.

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Staff recommends that the Planning Commission have moderate that discussion with the applicant as they bring.

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Request that administrative relief request to relocate.

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Those tree islands from the middle of the parking lot.

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To the perimeter of the site.

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And then you said there was an amendment to the SDMP that was made.

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Recently or.

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Last year, about this time.

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The site Development Master plan has a land use.

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Component to it.

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That shows what types of land uses are allowed.

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In certain locations.

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At the time that the SDMP was created.

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Macy's was still the primary anchor.

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And there was a requirement.

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Between the property owner and that tenant.

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To have parking lot.

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Be the only thing between them and the interaction in the intersection.

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So the parking lot was used in that.

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Land use is owned.

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To as a calculation for the minimum required parking stalls.

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So they took the area that.

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Where these two?

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This building pad is now and relocated it interior to the site opening up this.

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Absolute corner for development.

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That was your amendment last year.

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OK, umm.

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Let me see if I can bring that.

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Really quick.

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Just so that we are on the same page.

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I vaguely remember a year ago but.

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Thank you for clarifying that.

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OK, so we're looking at.

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This one.

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So this drawing was changed.

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So that.

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This whole.

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Block A was intended to be all surface parking.

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And the amendment?

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Modified it so only the core of the area was surface parking.

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And the parking stalls counted toward their.

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Minimum parking requirements.

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Releasing the north side and the South side of blockade for retail paths.

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And the remaining the difference between what was surface parking stalls there.

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Was relocated to.

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The new parking garage.

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That was reviewed and approved.

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By the Planning Commission.

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A few weeks ago.

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So with that.

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We do have.

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The TRC's looked at the site development plan for.

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Compliance to the actual master plan, but also site requirements for.

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Parking lot.

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Numbering and parking stall numbers and landscaping for parking lots itself.

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So that would be something that the Planning Commission needs to consider.

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Primarily.

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The other element.

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Two elements to this site would be the design.

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That's been chosen for.

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The North.

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Retail pads.

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From the staff's point of view.

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The chosen design that has been elected for this quarter.

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It kind of turns its back to the primary streets of Island Drive and Murray Holiday Rd.

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Having all the service entrances and utility uses.

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Up on island or Murray Holiday Rd. rather than.

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Trying to present itself to the corner as an entrance feature for the site.

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So at this point.

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The applicant does know of the.

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TRC's concerns.

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And at this we were waiting for a revised drawing.

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But has not received that yet in time for this meeting.

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So we can request that the Planning Commission delay or defer.

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The design approval.

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At least to have.

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Either in an interaction between the applicant and the staff.

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Or if you.

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Deemed necessary, Bring it back to the Planning Commission for review.

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But at this point.

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Staff believes that this design could use some tweaking.

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In order to come.

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Better in compliance with the design parameters of the SDMP and some of the other designs you've already seen previous.

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To this application.

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So if I'm reading between the lines, you're saying it's not quite done baking yet?

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That's my point of view, that's my opinion.

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OK.

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And then if you can just go back up to the landscape side of this, I mean.

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I wasn't a fan of it when it was all.

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Supposed to be parking to begin with.

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But.

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The relief of.

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That entire.

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Middle of the lot.

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Being just heat island next to.

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Two massive heat island roads and.

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A berm of grass next to a heat island building for me is.

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Kind of.

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Counterproductive to the point of why that ordinance was adjusted 10 years ago.

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Just just.

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You know, thinking through it out loud.

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Is that?

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Grass is everything, sort of shady green.

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Supposed to be grass.

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On the outsides.

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No, there's bark mulch around the.

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Perimeter.

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Where did my cursor go?

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Let's see.

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I think you had another landscape plan in here.

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Here, Chris.

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Yeah, bark mold you can hit. They're laying the bark mulch down now today.

275
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You can see that.

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It's not entirely grass.

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Is it any?

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Turf grass.

279
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I'm not. I'm not sure.

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Can I ask a couple of questions?

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The river.

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Common Creek.

283
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Comes along the edge and then does it go underneath the road, right?

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Where South of here? Let me bring up another.

285
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Actually it's before I see.

286
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Yeah, OK. So it doesn't, it doesn't get here.

287
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All right.

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Let's see if I can go up to this other image.

289
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Yeah, Big Conwood Creek dives under.

290
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Before or South of the intersection. The lit intersection.

291
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Oh, yes, I see. So it was the other block that I was seeing it on the edge now. Yeah, OK.

292
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And then?

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Somewhere in the packet, I don't remember.

294
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It said that.

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They're planning a.

296
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One parking space for every 100 square feet, which is.

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Twice the.

298
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Requirement. I think it's one parking spot for every 200 square feet is required.

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And they're already above the.

300
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Parking space.

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Minimum required for the entire lot. Collectively that's.

302
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Correct for this site, yes.

303
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So they could in theory.

304
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Make this parking lot smaller.

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In a variety of ways.

306
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And not impact any.

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They're not touching. They're not touching any of their.

308
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Minimums.

309
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Correct.

310
00:17:14,570 --> 00:17:17,690
So is this what the restaurants are asking for? Or is this what?

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When we get into this element of.

312
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You know, over parking.

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That usually is a tenant driven.

314
00:17:25,470 --> 00:17:28,550
Request and that you can be asked of the applicant for sure, yeah.

315
00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:31,020
It's going to be a busy parking lot.

316
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You're taking some of the circulation.

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Some of the things that will help the circulation away.

318
00:17:38,010 --> 00:17:39,970
Pedestrians will have to run through.

319
00:17:43,030 --> 00:17:44,990
Yeah, yeah, it's.

320
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I think it's.

321
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This.

322
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Corner isn't very walkable. You're not inviting people in from Highland, you're not inviting people in from every holiday.

323
00:17:55,290 --> 00:17:56,280
Particularly.

324
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People can't walk easily here because there are so many parking openings.

325
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,760
When this was originally.

326
00:18:05,870 --> 00:18:07,870
Before it was amended, wasn't there like.

327
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:10,230
Some kind of walk or something running?

328
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Through the.

329
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:14,720
That would have been.

330
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The previous or was that the original mall plan?

331
00:18:17,790 --> 00:18:18,630
The.

332
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The one that was proposed for him, the amendment.

333
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:21,350
Yes.

334
00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,760
So the sidewalk is not shown on the cyclone, right? It's outside of that.

335
00:18:29,670 --> 00:18:30,870
It is outside of that.

336
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:31,430
Yeah.

337
00:18:33,310 --> 00:18:35,470
It's there on the island Dr. side.

338
00:18:35,630 --> 00:18:38,390
It's there on the Murray holiday roadside, but it's a partial.

339
00:18:38,990 --> 00:18:40,470
On the Royce drive.

340
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Interior.

341
00:18:41,630 --> 00:18:44,030
So that would be improved with new sidewalk.

342
00:18:51,980 --> 00:18:53,480
Additional questions about this one.

343
00:18:56,090 --> 00:18:56,930
I think.

344
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I mean this this is just unfolded over time, but.

345
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,520
Part of the vision was to have.

346
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Mixed-use.

347
00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:07,720
To have a central Plaza.

348
00:19:10,030 --> 00:19:13,790
I feel like we're, you know, we're gradually seeing more and more of these blocks.

349
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:14,590
And, umm.

350
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:17,590
I'm not seeing a central Plaza.

351
00:19:17,710 --> 00:19:18,350
For this.

352
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:22,150
Site and I felt like we were sort of waiting for it to appear it.

353
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:23,870
Hasn't really appeared yet.

354
00:19:24,590 --> 00:19:27,320
And we're running out of spaces in which it would appear.

355
00:19:28,190 --> 00:19:29,470
And I also feel like.

356
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The mixed-use.

357
00:19:31,910 --> 00:19:32,750
Has been.

358
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Sadly neglected.

359
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,520
This site has mixed-use but.

360
00:19:38,990 --> 00:19:41,930
If you zoom out far enough, everything's mixed-use, but if you zoom in on anyone part, it's not mixed-use. And so I feel like

361
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we're.

362
00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:47,080
Sort of the vision of this.

363
00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:47,910
Places being.

364
00:19:49,550 --> 00:19:51,510
Not quite fulfilled in the.

365
00:19:52,350 --> 00:19:54,630
The palette of things that have come forward.

366
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:55,830
I don't know.

367
00:19:56,890 --> 00:19:59,170
I don't recall what did the TRC say about the site plan.

368
00:20:01,890 --> 00:20:02,730
As far as?

369
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:04,190
Use and layout.

370
00:20:04,430 --> 00:20:06,470
It meets the standard there.

371
00:20:07,390 --> 00:20:08,750
It is a mixed-use.

372
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:11,310
Zone, which in, you know, foresees.

373
00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,950
Mixture and quite a bit of height.

374
00:20:14,750 --> 00:20:17,190
So as far as leaving a lot on the table.

375
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,440
They're leaving a lot on the table.

376
00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:21,910
Could we? I mean, could we say?

377
00:20:21,980 --> 00:20:23,660
Stack some apartments on top of here.

378
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,950
I just have to review the application that's in front of me.

379
00:20:30,660 --> 00:20:31,820
Well, to me this is.

380
00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:36,220
Piece of property, because that's a cornerstone of this area.

381
00:20:36,420 --> 00:20:37,660
And really should be more.

382
00:20:37,780 --> 00:20:40,780
Finding that just something that is fairly generic.

383
00:20:41,710 --> 00:20:44,190
And my hope is that we can get the architecture worked out and.

384
00:20:45,060 --> 00:20:47,620
Make some of this more original looking and.

385
00:20:48,860 --> 00:20:52,180
You know, because this is really making statements for the project too.

386
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,470
These kind of cornerstone intersections to me.

387
00:20:56,820 --> 00:20:58,420
Should be really dynamic.

388
00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:01,190
My hope is that.

389
00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:02,500
That's what happens.

390
00:21:02,980 --> 00:21:03,780
I don't disagree.

391
00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:06,590
And put the Plaza here.

392
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,120
Right down the parking lot.

393
00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:10,980
Well, it sounds like we have lots of.

394
00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:16,500
Great inquiries for the applicant during the official meeting here SO.

395
00:21:18,460 --> 00:21:23,380
There's no other questions about it for the work meetings now though, we can definitely.

396
00:21:24,670 --> 00:21:25,630
And on that.

397
00:21:25,860 --> 00:21:26,540
And uh.

398
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Take a a 9 minute break until the top of the hour since you know, we got to make sure we're.

399
00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:32,860
Compliant.

400
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,190
So with that, we'll end the work meeting.

401
00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:38,220
Take a quick recess.

402
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:51,310
All right, well, whenever you're ready.

403
00:21:51,980 --> 00:21:57,000
OK, well good afternoon everyone. Welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission Work Meeting, March 24th, 2026. In attendance we

404
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,020
have city staff.

405
00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:06,820
And legal counsel. And then we are absence Commissioner font.

406
00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:08,100
And, Commissioner.

407
00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:13,020
Prince, but everybody else is here and writing a rock'n'roll and.

408
00:22:13,380 --> 00:22:18,340
We had two items up for public hearing tonight, but one of them has been rescheduled.

409
00:22:18,780 --> 00:22:22,540
So we have one item that we're going to do anything with today and.

410
00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:27,420
That's Royal Holiday Hill stuff. So with that, John, if you want to dive us right in.

411
00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:28,780
I'm excited.

412
00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:29,700
Great.

413
00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:32,300
It's OK since we're.

414
00:22:32,540 --> 00:22:35,220
A skeleton crew tonight. I'll steer from here.

415
00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:37,860
Tonight is.

416
00:22:38,380 --> 00:22:41,740
Application for preliminary site plan review for Block A.

417
00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:44,300
At the Royal Holiday Hills.

418
00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:45,980
Development site.

419
00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:49,300
Tonight you'll be looking at a full site.

420
00:22:49,540 --> 00:22:53,260
Planned development plan for blockade which includes.

421
00:22:54,620 --> 00:22:56,420
Two primary retail paths.

422
00:22:57,140 --> 00:22:58,460
Which will be for three.

423
00:22:59,060 --> 00:22:59,900
Uses.

424
00:23:00,220 --> 00:23:02,420
Two on the north side and one on the South side.

425
00:23:02,780 --> 00:23:04,100
Separated by a parking lot.

426
00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:06,660
Surface parking lot.

427
00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:09,580
The uses.

428
00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:11,580
For this site or in the open.

429
00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:16,300
District for the open land use zone, which is your again your most flexible.

430
00:23:16,380 --> 00:23:19,100
Highest heights, most amount of uses, that type of thing.

431
00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:24,260
Recently, an amendment to the SDMP was made.

432
00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:27,340
To allow for development right up for here on the corner.

433
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,920
Previously it was a placeholder.

434
00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:32,700
Surely for surface parking.

435
00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:38,780
But we went through the applicant, went through an amendment to the STMP and created that carve out.

436
00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:41,820
Right up on that corner to eliminate the parking only.

437
00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:43,500
And put in place 11.

438
00:23:43,580 --> 00:23:45,020
Allowance for retail commercial.

439
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:49,420
That so tonight you'll be looking at the site layout civil.

440
00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:51,820
Access utilities, that type of thing.

441
00:23:52,940 --> 00:23:55,020
Parking associated for all three.

442
00:23:55,940 --> 00:23:57,100
Retail uses.

443
00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:59,860
And your design?

444
00:24:00,020 --> 00:24:00,620
Parameters.

445
00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:05,220
Two items that the staff is asking the Planning Commission to pay.

446
00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:07,180
Close attention to.

447
00:24:08,860 --> 00:24:11,660
As you look through the drawings and.

448
00:24:12,020 --> 00:24:13,820
Deliberation with the applicant.

449
00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:16,100
On specifics.

450
00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:18,540
Are the design.

451
00:24:18,660 --> 00:24:23,020
Chosen designs of the two retail areas on the north side.

452
00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:26,150
And a request for landscape.

453
00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:28,660
Modifications for parking lot.

454
00:24:29,020 --> 00:24:29,700
Landscaping.

455
00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:32,610
And I'll go through.

456
00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:34,540
Maybe we'll start with the.

457
00:24:34,620 --> 00:24:35,940
The landscaping first.

458
00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:39,740
But overall, again, let me see if I can find a.

459
00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:41,500
Drawing that actually.

460
00:24:42,410 --> 00:24:44,850
Is representative.

461
00:24:45,380 --> 00:24:46,820
I think it's at the very bottom.

462
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,080
His memory serves sit throughout these really heavy duty.

463
00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:52,740
Civil drives.

464
00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:55,670
Yeah, let's let's use one of these.

465
00:25:00,380 --> 00:25:00,940
So.

466
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:06,060
This is the oriented. On your right side is the North End of the wall.

467
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:09,930
Island Drive at the door at the top side of the screen.

468
00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:12,940
So around the corner.

469
00:25:13,660 --> 00:25:17,580
Fraud and Highland Drive and Murray Holiday Rd. will be a pretty large landscape buffer.

470
00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:20,740
Before you get to the retail pads.

471
00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:22,940
Right up on the.

472
00:25:23,060 --> 00:25:27,060
The most absolute corner will be the sites project signage.

473
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:30,780
With the buffer up against the backside of the building.

474
00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:34,060
And as you come up the hill at Murray Holiday Rd.

475
00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:35,740
Before you get to.

476
00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:37,860
Royce, Dr. That that intersection.

477
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,660
There's a large transformer there and then.

478
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,190
Historic marker There's a historic marker for the city.

479
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:47,100
Which will remain in place and be.

480
00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:49,460
And is being retained.

481
00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:50,740
As.

482
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:53,420
That has been there forever.

483
00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:56,750
I don't know. I think it's been there for at least 25 years.

484
00:25:59,380 --> 00:26:02,020
And then primarily as you come down into Royce Drive.

485
00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:03,300
These areas.

486
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:07,700
Exist that they're going to be modified.

487
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,580
As you come into for entrance points into the parking lot.

488
00:26:13,550 --> 00:26:20,510
The landscaping for this is sort of representative in this picture, but there's another drawing in here that.

489
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:24,460
Is most reflective as to what the applicant is looking for.

490
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:29,750
We're getting into the block, the other side.

491
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:36,750
Here we go.

492
00:26:41,230 --> 00:26:45,430
If you some of you may recall, there was an amendment to.

493
00:26:45,540 --> 00:26:48,900
The tree sustainability code.

494
00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:50,940
Which required.

495
00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:53,260
Additional landscaped islands.

496
00:26:53,620 --> 00:26:55,180
To be play in placed.

497
00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:56,900
Whenever you have a new parking lot.

498
00:26:57,420 --> 00:27:00,860
That's being constructed or an existing parking lot that's being green.

499
00:27:00,940 --> 00:27:04,980
Built and in this case, we're looking at a new parking lot.

500
00:27:05,540 --> 00:27:09,030
And which requires 10% of the area.

501
00:27:09,260 --> 00:27:11,780
Have these landscape islands placed in them.

502
00:27:13,410 --> 00:27:18,130
The code requires these landscape items. They have the trees in them and also.

503
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:23,460
Some buffering requirements between the buildings and.

504
00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:24,380
Parking lots.

505
00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:28,940
At the end of that ordinance there is administrative relief request.

506
00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:31,180
Which the applicant can.

507
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:34,740
Proposed to the Planning Commission or whoever the land use authority.

508
00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:36,380
Is that time?

509
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:39,380
Basically allows for that use.

510
00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:42,940
Those those landscaping requirements to be relocated in.

511
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:45,220
And buffered around another area on the.

512
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:45,980
On the site.

513
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,830
So in this case, they're asking to remove the.

514
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:51,700
The four landscape.

515
00:27:51,780 --> 00:27:56,820
Islands and increase the buffer size around Highland Drive where those trees.

516
00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:59,020
Could be additional trees can be placed.

517
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:00,380
Sorry, please give it.

518
00:28:00,860 --> 00:28:01,420
Say that one more.

519
00:28:02,260 --> 00:28:06,020
So there's there's four landscape islands here. I'm not sure why it's highlighted.

520
00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:08,540
I try to get this off.

521
00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:10,540
Maybe that's just how the drawing is.

522
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:12,670
But right in here.

523
00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:13,700
These four.

524
00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:17,300
Islands need to have landscaping in them to break up the parking lot.

525
00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:17,940
Yes.

526
00:28:18,540 --> 00:28:21,060
The applicant can request to relocate that.

527
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,140
Area of trees.

528
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,190
To increase.

529
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:26,300
A buffer.

530
00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:29,340
Around the site, so they're asking to increase.

531
00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:32,500
This buffer width between Highland Drive and the parking lot.

532
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,510
To include additional tree planting areas.

533
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,870
But it looks like the same number of trees on both of these.

534
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:43,100
It would be assumed so that I would.

535
00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:45,180
The applicant will need to bring that.

536
00:28:45,380 --> 00:28:48,310
To the Commission for that request.

537
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:50,830
And that's a bus stop that's right there, right?

538
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:55,860
That's a bus stop, so all those cute circles running out into the middle of it are going to not be there.

539
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:59,100
Practically, because buses are going to pull up and.

540
00:28:59,340 --> 00:29:03,180
Destroy whatever branches grow out there until they reach high enough.

541
00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:07,860
13 1/2 foot. I think those are London plains that are planted right there.

542
00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:09,380
13 1/2 feet.

543
00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:10,940
Above the travel way.

544
00:29:11,420 --> 00:29:12,500
Will have to be trimmed up.

545
00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:14,620
You'll put in London points.

546
00:29:14,780 --> 00:29:16,500
I think they're London either Sycamore's.

547
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,040
Along there.

548
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:20,300
No, that are there now.

549
00:29:21,290 --> 00:29:23,410
Yeah, on the West side.

550
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,200
On the yeah east side of Highland Drive as you come into the right hand, turn lane as you go.

551
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:32,180
The Street.

552
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:35,620
Give a Street View of it on Google real quick. I thought all those were.

553
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,310
Breast. Maybe I'm.

554
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:42,900
Maybe my memories fader are these newly planted ones.

555
00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:44,100
Billy OK.

556
00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:46,460
Some of them OK.

557
00:29:56,590 --> 00:29:57,710
See how this works?

558
00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:08,650
It was an earlier photo.

559
00:30:08,780 --> 00:30:09,900
But yeah, these.

560
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:13,380
I don't have a Street View on the other side that's.

561
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:17,830
Let's see if I can get that's really old.

562
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,230
That's where my ever made.

563
00:30:22,420 --> 00:30:24,180
Fading memory was like thinking of.

564
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:27,230
Anyway, yeah, I'm pretty sure these are.

565
00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:29,340
All planted. These are all sycamores.

566
00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:37,470
Anyway, so those are the existing trees that are on.

567
00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:40,750
In this area, right along here.

568
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:48,650
So staff recommends that the Planning Commission have moderate that discussion with the applicant as they bring.

569
00:30:49,060 --> 00:30:52,260
Request that administrative relief request to relocate.

570
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:55,060
Those tree islands from the middle of the parking lot.

571
00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:57,060
To the perimeter of the site.

572
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:06,180
And then you said there was an amendment to the SDMP that was made.

573
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:09,150
Recently or.

574
00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:11,420
Last year, about this time.

575
00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:15,460
The site Development Master plan has a land use.

576
00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:18,940
Component to it.

577
00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:22,420
That shows what types of land uses are allowed.

578
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:23,980
In certain locations.

579
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:26,780
At the time that the SDMP was created.

580
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:29,820
Masons was still the primary anchor.

581
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,420
And there was a requirement.

582
00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:35,620
Between the property owner and that tenant.

583
00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:36,470
To have.

584
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:37,260
Parking lot.

585
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,780
Be the only thing between them and the interaction in.

586
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,800
So the parking lot.

587
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:44,740
Was used in that.

588
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:45,860
Land use zone.

589
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:49,620
To in the calculation for the minimum required parking stalls.

590
00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:52,550
So they took the area that is now.

591
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:53,940
Where these two?

592
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:58,340
This building pad is now and relocated it into the site.

593
00:31:58,420 --> 00:31:59,620
Opening up this.

594
00:31:59,780 --> 00:32:01,580
Absolute corner for development.

595
00:32:02,260 --> 00:32:04,500
That was your amendment last year.

596
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:05,180
OK.

597
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,780
Let me see if I can bring that.

598
00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:14,300
Really quick.

599
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:17,820
Just so that we're on the same page.

600
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,600
I vaguely remember a year ago but.

601
00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:27,020
Thank you for clarifying that.

602
00:32:41,540 --> 00:32:43,460
OK, so we're looking at.

603
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:57,620
This one.

604
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,830
So this drawing was changed.

605
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:02,700
So that.

606
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:04,900
This whole block a.

607
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,620
Was intended to be all surface parking.

608
00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:10,150
And in the amendment?

609
00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:14,220
Modified it so only the core of the area was surface parking.

610
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:17,300
And the parking stall is counted toward their.

611
00:33:17,740 --> 00:33:19,420
Minimum parking requirements.

612
00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:23,620
Releasing the north side and the South side of blockade.

613
00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:24,860
Or retail pads.

614
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,240
And the remaining the difference between what was.

615
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:36,180
Surface parking stalls there.

616
00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:38,310
Was relocated to.

617
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:40,380
The new parking garage.

618
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:44,060
That was reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission.

619
00:33:44,540 --> 00:33:45,220
Few weeks ago.

620
00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:54,830
So with that.

621
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:55,860
We do have.

622
00:33:57,780 --> 00:34:01,380
The TRC's looked at the the site development plan for.

623
00:34:02,060 --> 00:34:05,980
Compliance to the actual master plan, but also site requirements for.

624
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:06,740
Parking lot.

625
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:11,990
Numbering and parking stall numbers and landscaping for parking lots itself.

626
00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:15,110
So that would be something that the Planning Commission needs to consider.

627
00:34:16,330 --> 00:34:17,270
Primarily.

628
00:34:17,620 --> 00:34:18,660
The other element.

629
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,660
Two elements to this site would be the design.

630
00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:24,740
That's been chosen for.

631
00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:26,100
The.

632
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:28,900
Retail pads.

633
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,360
I don't know from the staff's point of view.

634
00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:37,420
The chosen design that has been elected for this quarter.

635
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:43,900
Yeah, it kind of turns its back to the primary streets, Island Drive and Murray Holiday Rd.

636
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,670
Having all the service entrances and utility uses.

637
00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:49,780
Up on island.

638
00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:51,980
Murray Holiday Rd. rather than.

639
00:34:52,220 --> 00:34:56,380
Trying to present itself to the corner as a as a entrance feature for the site.

640
00:34:58,060 --> 00:34:59,420
So at this point.

641
00:34:59,820 --> 00:35:01,740
The applicant does know of the.

642
00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:03,580
TRC's concerns.

643
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:07,900
And at this point we were waiting for a revised drawing.

644
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:09,660
Has not received that yet.

645
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:10,980
In time for this meeting.

646
00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:16,510
So we can request that the Planning Commission delay or defer.

647
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:18,580
The design approval.

648
00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:19,980
At least to have.

649
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:23,220
Either an interaction between the applicant and the staff.

650
00:35:23,860 --> 00:35:24,900
Or if you.

651
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:28,140
Deemed necessary, Bring it back to the Planning Commission for review.

652
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:29,700
But at this point.

653
00:35:30,340 --> 00:35:33,900
Staff believes that that this design could use some tweaking.

654
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:35,740
In order to come.

655
00:35:36,060 --> 00:35:40,820
Better in compliance with the design parameters of the SDMP and some of the other designs you've already seen.

656
00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:42,740
Previous to this application.

657
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,860
So if I'm reading between the lines, you're saying it's not quite done baking yet?

658
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,550
That's my point of view. That's my opinion, yes.

659
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:53,580
OK, umm.

660
00:35:58,260 --> 00:36:01,700
And then if you can just go back up to the landscape side of this, I mean.

661
00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:07,470
I wasn't a fan of it when it was all.

662
00:36:07,820 --> 00:36:09,900
Supposed to be parking to begin with.

663
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:10,340
But.

664
00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:14,380
The relief of.

665
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:16,830
That entire.

666
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:18,660
Middle of the lot.

667
00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:21,940
Being just heat island next to.

668
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:24,460
Two massive heat island roads.

669
00:36:25,690 --> 00:36:29,670
A berm of grass next to a heat island building for me is.

670
00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:36,500
Kind of counterproductive to the point of why that ordinance was adjusted 10 years ago.

671
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,160
Just you know, you know.

672
00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:42,460
Thinking through it.

673
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:46,620
Is that grass?

674
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:48,540
Is everything sort of shady green?

675
00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:49,700
Supposed to be grass.

676
00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:51,950
On the outside.

677
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:52,340
Yeah.

678
00:36:54,860 --> 00:36:56,700
Bark mulch around the.

679
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:58,100
Perimeter.

680
00:36:59,180 --> 00:37:01,740
My cursor go.

681
00:37:02,140 --> 00:37:06,060
Let's see, I think you had another landscape plan in here.

682
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:06,780
Press.

683
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,830
Yeah, Barkmote you can get. They're laying the bark mulch now.

684
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:14,180
Down now, today.

685
00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:15,580
You can see that.

686
00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:18,830
It's not entirely grass.

687
00:37:20,860 --> 00:37:21,740
Is there any?

688
00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:24,580
Turf press like.

689
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:25,940
I'm not. I'm not sure.

690
00:37:30,670 --> 00:37:32,510
Can I ask a couple of questions?

691
00:37:33,550 --> 00:37:35,670
The river.

692
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Connell Creek.

693
00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:42,900
Comes along the edge and then does it go underneath the road, right?

694
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:48,550
Where South of here? Let me bring up another.

695
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,480
Actually, I see.

696
00:37:51,860 --> 00:37:52,700
Yeah, OK.

697
00:37:52,940 --> 00:37:54,420
So it doesn't. It doesn't get here.

698
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:58,700
All right, let's see if I can go up to this other image.

699
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:06,590
Yeah, Big Cottonwood Creek dives under.

700
00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:11,220
Before or South of the intersection. The lit intersection.

701
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:13,780
Oh yes, so it was the other block.

702
00:38:13,940 --> 00:38:16,300
I was seeing it on the Internet. Yeah, OK.

703
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:19,930
And then?

704
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,590
Somewhere in the packet, I don't remember.

705
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:24,620
It said that.

706
00:38:25,950 --> 00:38:26,710
They're planning a.

707
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:31,620
One parking space for every 100 square feet, which is.

708
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:37,950
Twice the requirement. I think it's one parking spot for every 200 square feet is required.

709
00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:39,660
And they're already above the.

710
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:41,660
Parking space.

711
00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:44,300
Minimum required for the entire lot.

712
00:38:44,380 --> 00:38:45,340
Collectively, that's.

713
00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:46,900
Correct for this site, yes.

714
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:50,740
So they could in theory.

715
00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:52,660
Make this parking lot smaller.

716
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:56,860
In a variety place.

717
00:38:56,980 --> 00:38:58,340
And not impact?

718
00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:00,860
Any they're not touching. They're not touching any.

719
00:39:01,420 --> 00:39:02,260
Minimums. Umm.

720
00:39:02,860 --> 00:39:03,500
Correct.

721
00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:08,490
So is this what the restaurants are asking for? Or is this what?

722
00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:11,180
When we get into this element of.

723
00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:12,780
You know, over parking.

724
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:14,980
That usually is a tenant.

725
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:19,180
Driven request and that you can be asked of the applicant for sure.

726
00:39:19,260 --> 00:39:21,820
Yeah, it's going to be a busy parking lot.

727
00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:25,230
You're taking some of the circulation.

728
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:27,620
One of the things that will help the circulation away.

729
00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:30,980
That's reason I'll have to run through the site.

730
00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:32,020
Because the cars don't.

731
00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:33,820
Talking. Slowing cars down.

732
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:34,340
Yahoo.

733
00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:35,660
Yeah, it's.

734
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:40,380
I think it's not very well this.

735
00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:45,500
Corner isn't very walkable. You're not inviting people in from Highland, you're not inviting people in from our holiday.

736
00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:47,370
Particularly.

737
00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:52,310
People can't walk easily here because there's so many parking openings.

738
00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:56,740
When this was originally.

739
00:39:56,820 --> 00:39:58,780
Before it was amended, wasn't there like.

740
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,180
Some kind of walk or something running?

741
00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:02,540
Through the.

742
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,710
That would have been.

743
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:08,660
The previous was that the original mall plan?

744
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:09,620
Yeah.

745
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:11,220
One that was proposed for the.

746
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:12,620
Yes.

747
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,540
So the sidewalk is not shown on the side plan, right?

748
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:19,540
It's outside of that.

749
00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:21,780
It is outside of that.

750
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:22,940
You know.

751
00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:26,220
It's there on the island, right side.

752
00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:29,260
It's there on the Murray holiday roadside, but it's partial.

753
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:31,420
On the Royce drive.

754
00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:32,460
Interior umm.

755
00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:34,820
So that would be improved with new sidewalks.

756
00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:44,430
Additional questions about this one.

757
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:47,880
I think.

758
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:51,460
I mean this this is just unfolded overtime, but.

759
00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:54,380
Part of the vision was to have.

760
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:56,300
For mixed-use.

761
00:40:57,180 --> 00:40:58,500
To have a central.

762
00:41:00,930 --> 00:41:04,670
I feel like we're, you know, we're gradually seeing more and more of these blocks.

763
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:08,460
And I'm not seeing a central Plaza.

764
00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:09,220
For this.

765
00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:12,980
Site and I felt like we were sort of reading for it to appear.

766
00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:14,740
Hasn't really appeared yet.

767
00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:18,270
And we're running out of spaces in which it would appear.

768
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:20,420
And I also feel like.

769
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:23,750
The mixed-use has been.

770
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:26,750
Sadly neglected, I mean.

771
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:29,390
Despite his anxious but.

772
00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:32,860
If you zoom out far enough, everything's mixed-use, but if you zoom in on anyone part, it's not fixed use and so I feel like

773
00:41:32,860 --> 00:41:35,780
we're.

774
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:37,990
Through the vision of this.

775
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:38,820
Places deal.

776
00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:42,310
Not quite fulfilled in the.

777
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:45,450
The power of things that have come forward.

778
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:46,780
I don't know.

779
00:41:47,890 --> 00:41:50,170
I don't know what did the TRC say about the site plan.

780
00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:53,660
As far as?

781
00:41:53,780 --> 00:41:55,140
Use and layout.

782
00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:57,300
It meets. It meets the standard.

783
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:59,700
It is a mixed-use.

784
00:41:59,780 --> 00:42:02,100
Zone, which in, you know, foresees.

785
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:04,900
Mixture and quite quite a bit of height.

786
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:08,140
So as far as leaving a lot on the table.

787
00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:10,350
They're leaving a lot on the table.

788
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,880
Could we? I mean, could we say?

789
00:42:13,060 --> 00:42:14,460
Stack some apartments on cover.

790
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:19,940
I just have to review the application that's in front of me.

791
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:23,380
Well, to me this is significant.

792
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:25,300
Piece of property because.

793
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:27,100
Cornerstone of this area.

794
00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:29,300
And really should be more defining than.

795
00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:31,740
Something that is currently generic.

796
00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:34,980
And my hope is that we can get the architecture worked out and.

797
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,590
Make some of this more original looking and.

798
00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:43,030
You know, because this is really making statements for the project too.

799
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,880
These these kind of cornerstone intersections.

800
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:49,260
Should be really dynamic.

801
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:53,460
That's what happens.

802
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:54,700
I don't disagree.

803
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,590
And put the Plaza here.

804
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:59,870
Right down the parking lot.

805
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:01,940
But it sounds like we have lots of.

806
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:07,340
Great inquiries for the applicant during the official meeting here SO.

807
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,350
There's no other questions about it for the work meetings.

808
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:14,340
Now, though, we can definitely.

809
00:43:15,590 --> 00:43:17,470
And on that and.

810
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:22,580
Take a a 9 minute break until the top of the hour since you know, we gotta make sure we're.

811
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:23,780
Compliant.

812
00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:29,140
So with that, we'll end the work meeting and take a quick recess.

813
00:43:54,110 --> 00:43:56,510
So the other thing. Or they might redesign to.

814
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:59,060
Both, yeah.

815
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:00,540
The interior.

816
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:01,660
Hallways.

817
00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:05,740
Fortified from the foundation straight up to the.

818
00:44:06,940 --> 00:44:07,860
This room.

819
00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:11,820
The configuration just better.

820
00:44:17,590 --> 00:44:17,670
So.

821
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:28,500
The stairs downstairs.

822
00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:52,900
City Events.

823
00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:55,580
Usually go to work.

824
00:45:01,260 --> 00:45:03,100
Well, you don't pay really nice.

825
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:08,100
Yeah.

826
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:36,270
I.

827
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:42,820
Yeah.

828
00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:56,660
That addition is a little bit newer.

829
00:46:00,350 --> 00:46:01,910
I think moving out also.

830
00:46:03,380 --> 00:46:05,220
Sorry, are they moving out also?

831
00:46:06,020 --> 00:46:06,540
Yeah.

832
00:46:14,110 --> 00:46:14,190
So.

833
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:21,900
Questions for people who want to stay.

834
00:47:01,550 --> 00:47:02,550
Yeah, anytime.

835
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,870
All right, welcome back, everyone. Welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission.

836
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:13,880
Meeting March 24th, 2026.

837
00:47:14,590 --> 00:47:21,470
I do not believe we have any members of the public here tonight. So we are going other than the applicant of course.

838
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:26,510
So we are going to omit the opening statement that we generally read for the public.

839
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:28,790
And move right into the.

840
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:34,430
Agenda we have, which again the Casper Cottage item one has been.

841
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:35,470
Push back.

842
00:47:35,550 --> 00:47:38,230
Till our next meeting on April 14th.

843
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:43,310
Which brings us to item number 2, which is the Royal Holiday Hills Block A&C.

844
00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:46,660
And with that, we'll invite city staff.

845
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:49,710
Give us a brief reminder of what we covered in the work meeting.

846
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:52,670
Thank you, Chair Roach.

847
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:59,870
Yeah. Item 2 tonight is a request from the applicants for preliminary site plan review and approval.

848
00:48:00,350 --> 00:48:03,110
At the Royal How many hills development.

849
00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:09,550
Block A is located at the extreme corner of Marie Holiday Rd. in Highland Drive.

850
00:48:10,030 --> 00:48:12,310
Which is essentially the entry point.

851
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:15,190
To holiday coming from.

852
00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:16,030
The North.

853
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:19,150
And also from coming from the the West.

854
00:48:19,870 --> 00:48:26,120
And at this site, originally in the site development master plan, the entire block was intended to be.

855
00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:27,630
Surface parking lot.

856
00:48:29,350 --> 00:48:30,630
As the site.

857
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:34,190
Begin began to develop with additional tenants and.

858
00:48:34,350 --> 00:48:35,950
With some tenants moving out.

859
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:38,310
At the the block itself.

860
00:48:38,590 --> 00:48:41,670
Presented an opportunity to be refined as far as what?

861
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:44,590
Primary land uses would be available at this corner.

862
00:48:45,110 --> 00:48:47,270
For the city and for the development itself.

863
00:48:48,820 --> 00:48:50,360
Which brings us to this.

864
00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:55,110
Point in time for review of Block A's site plan development and.

865
00:48:55,590 --> 00:48:58,870
And an organization of elements for.

866
00:48:59,070 --> 00:48:59,990
The Open.

867
00:49:00,070 --> 00:49:01,110
Land use his own.

868
00:49:01,890 --> 00:49:04,720
In the SDMP, the open land use zone is the.

869
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:08,200
Essentially, the zoning scheme that allows for the most.

870
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:10,030
Intense uses.

871
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:12,270
And the highest heights for the SDMP.

872
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:15,510
At this location.

873
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:16,910
Commercial paths.

874
00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:20,190
Presented to the Planning Commission for review.

875
00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:22,350
With associated.

876
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:23,510
Parking stall.

877
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:24,750
Improvements.

878
00:49:24,910 --> 00:49:27,390
And internal circulation.

879
00:49:28,110 --> 00:49:29,430
Around this block.

880
00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:34,160
Most of the pedestrian improvements have been installed.

881
00:49:34,270 --> 00:49:36,670
Along Highland Drive and Murray Holiday Rd.

882
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:39,830
The interior of Royce Drive.

883
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:41,270
And Rodeo Lock Drive.

884
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:43,230
Are yet to be installed.

885
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:45,070
Are intended to be.

886
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:48,710
Part of the development of this block.

887
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:50,150
Upon approval.

888
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:52,910
The TRC is reviewed.

889
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:55,030
The application in terms of the.

890
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:57,750
Both the site development master plan as far as use.

891
00:49:58,190 --> 00:50:01,190
And also city ordinance 13.8.

892
00:50:01,350 --> 00:50:02,190
0.

893
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:05,150
Sorry 08 for site development.

894
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:06,350
Details uh.

895
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:08,150
And civil site work.

896
00:50:09,110 --> 00:50:10,190
Primarily.

897
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:13,310
At this point for preliminary review of the TRC is.

898
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:16,950
Satisfied, an application would be brought to the Planning Commission for review.

899
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:19,550
Based upon providing.

900
00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:22,790
The applicant providing the TRC.

901
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:24,830
Site development.

902
00:50:24,910 --> 00:50:25,870
Details uh.

903
00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:28,590
That support a commercial site plan.

904
00:50:29,310 --> 00:50:30,390
Redevelopment plan.

905
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:32,830
And that includes primarily.

906
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:35,750
Associated parking stalls. The dumpster enclosures.

907
00:50:36,270 --> 00:50:37,510
Circulation plan.

908
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:40,270
Land use architecture.

909
00:50:40,750 --> 00:50:42,150
Specifically, design.

910
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:48,990
That's compatible with the SDMP and also the associated landscaping requirements.

911
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:51,630
The TRC can.

912
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:57,590
His recommending that the Planning Commission hold a discussion with the applicant as far as.

913
00:50:57,870 --> 00:51:00,950
The design of the buildings. Orientation of the buildings.

914
00:51:01,310 --> 00:51:02,750
To this primary corner.

915
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:05,430
Murray Holiday Road and Highland Drive.

916
00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:10,830
And the request for administrative relief.

917
00:51:11,230 --> 00:51:13,390
Of landscaping requirements those.

918
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:16,390
Requirements that were detailed in the work session.

919
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:19,790
Primarily are centered around the landscape island.

920
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:21,030
That are required with.

921
00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:23,910
Within a parking lot. A new parking lot.

922
00:51:24,350 --> 00:51:26,630
That would separate the stalls and create.

923
00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:30,350
Or eliminate.

924
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:33,910
To it as much as much as possible in urban.

925
00:51:34,070 --> 00:51:35,870
Urban heat island effect.

926
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:39,550
Creating shade within large, expansive parking lots.

927
00:51:40,930 --> 00:51:43,400
In your packet there are two different.

928
00:51:43,830 --> 00:51:47,450
Site plans. Landscape site plans. One would be one that's compliant with code, the other would be what the applicant is proposing

929
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:51,070
for administrative relief.

930
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,840
So that would be one of the elements that the TR.

931
00:51:55,310 --> 00:51:59,270
Is asking the Planning Commission to moderate a discussion around with the applicant.

932
00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:00,390
As they request that.

933
00:52:00,710 --> 00:52:01,590
Administrative.

934
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:04,230
Exemption or modification?

935
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:07,710
To landscape, parking lot, landscaping requirements.

936
00:52:08,810 --> 00:52:12,120
The other element that the TRC is recommending.

937
00:52:12,310 --> 00:52:19,110
The Planning Commission moderate discussion with the applicants over is the design of the buildings and the orientations of them.

938
00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:21,390
Primary of the site is.

939
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:24,110
It's proposed as a pretty.

940
00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:27,950
Routine strip commercial situation with.

941
00:52:28,350 --> 00:52:31,550
The primary entrance is opening to the center of the lot.

942
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:32,790
Focused on.

943
00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:34,280
Their access from the.

944
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:36,590
Parking lot itself is surrounded by.

945
00:52:36,670 --> 00:52:37,470
Landscaping, uh.

946
00:52:41,470 --> 00:52:43,670
Generally, not necessarily the TRCS.

947
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:46,310
Opinion, but my opinion from.

948
00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:49,270
And the design parameter.

949
00:52:49,470 --> 00:52:51,510
Is the orientation of pad A.

950
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:57,110
As its primary location of the corner of Highland Drive and Murray Holiday Rd.

951
00:52:57,190 --> 00:53:01,710
Which essentially is turning the building itself, turning its back to that primary corner.

952
00:53:03,070 --> 00:53:06,630
This specific site lends itself to be.

953
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:10,150
A primary entrance point to the city which?

954
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:14,310
Also could provide for a more much more dramatic.

955
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:17,470
Centerpiece situation, at least to the side.

956
00:53:17,590 --> 00:53:19,030
Is presenting itself to.

957
00:53:19,310 --> 00:53:20,710
Those two high.

958
00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:22,590
Use public streets.

959
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,840
So yeah, there is.

960
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:27,030
There are two.

961
00:53:28,310 --> 00:53:36,710
Design pages Within the document that proposed, the applicant is proposing for design parameters a single story.

962
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:38,350
Retail.

963
00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:42,030
And the TRC is just asking the.

964
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:43,270
Planning Commission to have.

965
00:53:43,350 --> 00:53:45,350
Have a discussion about those design?

966
00:53:45,550 --> 00:53:47,150
Characteristics with the applicant.

967
00:53:49,870 --> 00:53:50,830
I think.

968
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,400
That about covers it.

969
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:58,830
There is this is block a this as a reminder I forgot to mention in your work meeting.

970
00:53:59,990 --> 00:54:02,110
There is another element to this.

971
00:54:02,590 --> 00:54:05,070
Reapplication which includes.

972
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:07,270
The design request.

973
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:08,310
Which we never.

974
00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:09,350
Reviewed UH.

975
00:54:10,350 --> 00:54:11,630
When we were looking at block C.

976
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,120
Block C are three different paths that you have approved.

977
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:21,510
Previous Chase Bank Roth living our house.

978
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:25,470
All those designs have been approved by the Planning Commission.

979
00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:26,830
Except for.

980
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:29,270
The southernmost had for.

981
00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:32,190
The use that you see here on the screen.

982
00:54:33,790 --> 00:54:38,630
The applicants provided a landscape plan and a lighting plan, as well as a design.

983
00:54:38,990 --> 00:54:41,790
This building, which is primarily painted brick.

984
00:54:42,590 --> 00:54:46,070
With some extensive glass storefronts.

985
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:50,370
And then specifically requesting the Planning Commission to also moderate discussion about architecture and design with the

986
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:54,110
applicant for that site as well.

987
00:54:54,510 --> 00:54:57,190
See Blockade Site Development.

988
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:58,150
Landscaping.

989
00:54:58,230 --> 00:55:00,150
And desire of building design.

990
00:55:00,550 --> 00:55:02,710
Block C Just building design for this.

991
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:06,910
And the facing on.

992
00:55:07,310 --> 00:55:09,470
Blocks. He's already been decided.

993
00:55:10,690 --> 00:55:13,280
Just a pad and, you know, in the parking lot.

994
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:15,310
The orientation of the building is not.

995
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:18,310
Again, if you look at this.

996
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:20,630
The elevations.

997
00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:24,150
It also faces the interior of the parking lot.

998
00:55:26,820 --> 00:55:32,440
With its primary door facing the north side of the parking lot and the service entrances on the perimeter.

999
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,920
So you basically just have a wall facing the.

1000
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:37,630
Intersections.

1001
00:55:37,830 --> 00:55:39,070
Yeah, I believe.

1002
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:42,980
This this wall would you'd be.

1003
00:55:43,150 --> 00:55:47,190
Seeing as you drive into the site between Chase Bank and this building path.

1004
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:51,870
And then whatever landscaping would be.

1005
00:55:52,070 --> 00:55:54,470
In between those two sides, which I think.

1006
00:55:55,350 --> 00:55:56,630
I thought I included in here.

1007
00:55:57,820 --> 00:55:59,360
Oh, it's this little drawing.

1008
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:04,310
So you do have a landscape plan that's been approved?

1009
00:56:04,430 --> 00:56:08,310
Which dramatically adds some additional landscaping or on the backside.

1010
00:56:08,510 --> 00:56:10,110
Which does buffer.

1011
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:11,030
From the public.

1012
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,240
And private.

1013
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:14,910
To buffer that wall.

1014
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:19,510
But again, we're backing up onto a primary intersection which.

1015
00:56:21,630 --> 00:56:24,950
Does leave some elements on the table of what could possibly be?

1016
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:26,950
A country here.

1017
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:32,110
I don't know that that would be the Staffs report.

1018
00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:34,270
OK. Any other questions for staff?

1019
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,360
All right, well, at this point let's have the applicant come up.

1020
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:47,790
Hi, Chris Longson, 4954.

1021
00:56:48,070 --> 00:56:49,430
Free Dr. Holladay, UT.

1022
00:56:50,110 --> 00:56:51,910
Also recognize Steve Peterson, one of them.

1023
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:55,110
Hers here and he'll be available for questions if you have any.

1024
00:56:55,590 --> 00:56:59,630
Do you want me to address some of the questions you had in the work meeting?

1025
00:57:00,510 --> 00:57:02,110
To help clarify.

1026
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:04,430
I think so.

1027
00:57:06,030 --> 00:57:06,910
I'll talk louder.

1028
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:09,670
For the old guys around here, Brian.

1029
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:13,670
You're welcome to.

1030
00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:19,430
Address anything you want from the work meeting. I don't think there's any members of the public here to address tonight, so.

1031
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:26,790
Great. So a couple of the questions that were raised and asked during that time. Let's talk about the landscaping plan first.

1032
00:57:26,910 --> 00:57:28,790
So if you look at the 2.

1033
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:32,310
The two plans that we showed if the islands are without the islands.

1034
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:39,070
We you know your your landscaping that you're counting is is your is 10. You're you're 10 feet on the borders of your.

1035
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:39,960
Of your.

1036
00:57:40,110 --> 00:57:41,560
Of your parking areas.

1037
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:44,950
And then the landscape islands, the requirements 7 1/2 percent.

1038
00:57:45,350 --> 00:57:46,270
We have a.

1039
00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:51,710
Coming off of the Creek over there, we have a boxed culvert through the big ditch.

1040
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:52,830
Company.

1041
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:57,190
That is conveying water all the way along the front of that parking lot.

1042
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:59,430
And if we?

1043
00:57:59,630 --> 00:58:00,790
If we wanted to.

1044
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:04,590
Do a parking lot like a parking lot would normally be down and have the trees.

1045
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:09,210
Our parking would be elevated there on Highland Drive and that's what that drive right there shows and our landscaping, our 10

1046
00:58:09,210 --> 00:58:13,270
foot buff would be allotted.

1047
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:17,750
Along that, but our parking would be much higher than Highland Drive to park there.

1048
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:22,950
What we're asking for is to do a wider landscape buffer there.

1049
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:23,670
Over that, uh.

1050
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,870
Area so the parking lot stays.

1051
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:27,190
Down lower.

1052
00:58:27,590 --> 00:58:30,590
And provides a much bigger buffer from Highland Drive.

1053
00:58:30,830 --> 00:58:33,630
And taking extra trees.

1054
00:58:33,790 --> 00:58:36,670
The same amount of trees that we'd get if we put in those islands.

1055
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:43,070
To put in that parking lot and as we're talking about with planning much larger trees to create a bigger shade canopy.

1056
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:45,110
But the required.

1057
00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:48,750
Heart, I mean acquired landscaping requirements 7 1/2 percent.

1058
00:58:49,110 --> 00:58:51,390
And not including any of the landscaping.

1059
00:58:51,870 --> 00:58:53,190
Out on the corners.

1060
00:58:53,310 --> 00:58:54,910
Or around the buildings.

1061
00:58:54,990 --> 00:58:57,550
We're at 19% in what we're proposing.

1062
00:58:57,630 --> 00:58:59,070
Instead of 7 1/2 percent.

1063
00:58:59,310 --> 00:59:02,390
So same number of trees that would go through your code.

1064
00:59:02,750 --> 00:59:05,470
And we're providing 19%.

1065
00:59:06,030 --> 00:59:09,110
Landscaping for the parking lot in just that specific area, not including all the other stuff that's around the buildings, which

1066
00:59:09,110 --> 00:59:12,190
is.

1067
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:13,430
Could probably put us.

1068
00:59:14,070 --> 00:59:16,470
You know, in the 30% range, but.

1069
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:20,110
Trying to get the same number of trees so we're meeting the requirement on the trees.

1070
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:21,710
And trying to get.

1071
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:24,550
A better landscaping plan.

1072
00:59:24,990 --> 00:59:28,430
You brought up the issue, you know, Shouldn't we add more density here?

1073
00:59:28,590 --> 00:59:33,670
We cannot build any more square footage in this. Per our Trader Joe's lease. This is what we're restricted to.

1074
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:36,670
So we've maxed out our square footage on this block.

1075
00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:41,270
We are meeting the mixed-use requirements. This does meet the requirements of the SDMP.

1076
00:59:42,270 --> 00:59:48,750
And that's, and that's what we're asking for, for approval. There's lots of stuff that goes on in the project this big.

1077
00:59:48,830 --> 00:59:50,990
That, obviously everybody's not aware of.

1078
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:53,590
And we do have restrictions on how much we.

1079
00:59:53,710 --> 01:00:00,280
We can do. We do agree with John and we've been working on. We're just not ready yet. The architects didn't get it to us in time.

1080
01:00:00,390 --> 01:00:03,190
As a revised elevations on on block A.

1081
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:07,630
Through those buildings to address some of the concerns that the TRC has brought up.

1082
01:00:07,870 --> 01:00:09,710
You just didn't get them done in time, so.

1083
01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:11,350
You could either.

1084
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:14,590
Have us come back for that or delegate that to John?

1085
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:20,270
But we are working on that and we do not have an issue with, you know, working on those landscape drawings.

1086
01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:26,390
So any other questions you have regarding any of those items that we talked about in the work meeting?

1087
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:28,510
I just have one quick.

1088
01:00:28,590 --> 01:00:29,830
Clarification, yeah.

1089
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:31,960
So when you say.

1090
01:00:33,580 --> 01:00:36,220
By relocating these trees off to.

1091
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:39,310
West End along Highland Drive there.

1092
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:43,470
This enables you to not raise the parking lot.

1093
01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:48,870
Higher as well as we'll have a landscape berm over that instead of having parking.

1094
01:00:49,070 --> 01:00:52,990
You know, bringing the parking up to a higher level to go there, if you can see in that.

1095
01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:54,470
And the other drawing, John.

1096
01:00:54,790 --> 01:00:57,390
So you're saying the entire parking lot would have to?

1097
01:00:57,550 --> 01:01:03,190
Elevate, it was slow. They're not an entire parking lot, but which in order to get that parking to be functional, yes, we would

1098
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:08,830
have to raise that area. And we are required to have this many spells for our Trader Joe's thesis as well.

1099
01:01:10,930 --> 01:01:13,530
So this is actually saving money by doing it this way.

1100
01:01:15,130 --> 01:01:19,430
No, it's probably more money because of the the raised Berman and the greater.

1101
01:01:19,580 --> 01:01:19,780
I mean.

1102
01:01:23,020 --> 01:01:24,300
I don't believe you might, son.

1103
01:01:24,820 --> 01:01:25,620
Commissioner Baird.

1104
01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:29,300
Sorry, right. We still have to do that. We, I mean.

1105
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:32,550
Whether we put the landscaping in the middle of the parking lot or put it out here.

1106
01:01:32,620 --> 01:01:33,910
It's the same amount of parking.

1107
01:01:34,420 --> 01:01:35,300
So I don't know.

1108
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:37,420
Really saves us money. No, no, I'm not trying to.

1109
01:01:37,540 --> 01:01:40,140
Change the parking calculation. I'm just saying that it may.

1110
01:01:40,460 --> 01:01:42,100
Actually be cheaper to do it.

1111
01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:45,510
With the additional landscaping on Highland Drive.

1112
01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:48,300
So potentially we didn't look at it that way, but.

1113
01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:51,780
OK. And as far as?

1114
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:55,590
Frontage or the?

1115
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:02,750
Face of the buildings facing into each other and basically snubbing the city with their backs to it.

1116
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:06,340
Any building.

1117
01:02:06,420 --> 01:02:11,020
These type of restaurant buildings, they won't put their entrances out on the street where there's no street parking or quaint

1118
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:15,620
downtown. So we've got to face them that way, but we can do some additional.

1119
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:20,500
Architectural detailing. The services aren't on the back of the building. The services still come from the front.

1120
01:02:21,540 --> 01:02:27,060
As far as where the trucks go and stuff, we're not putting truck docks or garbage or anything on on the public streets.

1121
01:02:27,460 --> 01:02:30,020
But we do need to do some additional work on the.

1122
01:02:30,580 --> 01:02:31,700
On elevations.

1123
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:35,420
Well, I think we're talking about restaurants with that, not.

1124
01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:37,700
Be beneficial.

1125
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:38,700
For like.

1126
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:43,820
Glass dining area to look out onto Highland versus the parking lot.

1127
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:48,140
Also, their kitchens got to go back there since their customers are being received in the front and their kitchens are on the

1128
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:52,260
front of the building. So sure, yes, we can do.

1129
01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:53,020
A better job?

1130
01:02:53,180 --> 01:02:54,940
Of that, that's what we've been working.

1131
01:02:58,090 --> 01:03:00,850
So this landscape firm along highlight drives.

1132
01:03:01,180 --> 01:03:03,100
So we're on Highland Dr. How?

1133
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:08,580
How tall is the berm gonna be in the proposed that the berm right there exists today, So you can see about the height of it. I

1134
01:03:08,580 --> 01:03:13,980
mean it doesn't have all the landscaping on top of it yet, but that's about the height of it we had.

1135
01:03:14,540 --> 01:03:17,220
Minimal coverage there to meet the grades.

1136
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:20,340
To make that work, that old canal used to run up.

1137
01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:22,710
Come off the Creek higher up.

1138
01:03:23,220 --> 01:03:25,260
Come along the front of the Macy's building.

1139
01:03:25,460 --> 01:03:28,580
And then turn West and go kind of almost.

1140
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:29,740
By the intersection.

1141
01:03:30,180 --> 01:03:33,220
We had to hit that same point but in order to move it West.

1142
01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:34,380
We had.

1143
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:35,620
Minimal, uh.

1144
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:37,820
Fall to do it with and that's why.

1145
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:39,420
It's at the height it is.

1146
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:42,060
But it's been that way since 2008.

1147
01:03:42,580 --> 01:03:48,100
So yeah, Steve Peterson, 6147 S.

1148
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:54,700
Where the building is on the corner of Murray Holiday and Highland Drive.

1149
01:03:54,780 --> 01:03:57,180
There's also going to be a large mining up sign there.

1150
01:03:57,780 --> 01:03:58,660
And that's gonna.

1151
01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:02,580
Block a portion of that.

1152
01:04:02,860 --> 01:04:03,740
That built that.

1153
01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:05,260
Particular building.

1154
01:04:05,940 --> 01:04:07,660
And then the other thing that.

1155
01:04:08,020 --> 01:04:10,780
We're trying to take into account is the sound of the noise of the.

1156
01:04:12,830 --> 01:04:13,950
And so.

1157
01:04:16,380 --> 01:04:17,980
We're trying to figure out how to buffer but.

1158
01:04:18,340 --> 01:04:19,100
Yeah, this is.

1159
01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:21,020
That sign will actually add a lot of.

1160
01:04:21,740 --> 01:04:22,780
Dimension.

1161
01:04:24,330 --> 01:04:27,690
Break up the building itself because it'll be in front of the.

1162
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:29,900
With landscaping.

1163
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:34,020
Yeah, we will bring that in for approval, but we've been.

1164
01:04:34,180 --> 01:04:36,500
Working on that design is quite substantial and.

1165
01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:39,300
Bit of a burning landscaping Arizona front there.

1166
01:04:39,540 --> 01:04:40,380
That's why we have that.

1167
01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:42,180
Offer of space.

1168
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:43,620
And Commissioner Guy, he wrote it.

1169
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:44,980
Comment up about the.

1170
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:46,540
Pedestrian connection.

1171
01:04:47,140 --> 01:04:48,780
So you're kind of seeing this plan?

1172
01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:50,380
In between this.

1173
01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:53,340
This is an entry.

1174
01:04:53,580 --> 01:04:58,540
Feature type thing. It's not going to have tenant signs or anything on it. This is more about architecture.

1175
01:04:58,660 --> 01:05:04,180
But there'll be a gap in there. We're talking about putting a pedestrian connection so anybody comes from that main intersection.

1176
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:07,420
Rather than having to walk all the way around the buildings on either side.

1177
01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:11,060
It would come through here and then come right into the front of the restaurants.

1178
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:15,460
So, but you'll see that we have to bring that still in because we don't have that approved yet.

1179
01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:16,780
No problem.

1180
01:05:20,290 --> 01:05:23,870
Other questions for the applicant, I have a concern. I'm just looking at this saying, OK, where are all your delivery trucks going

1181
01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:27,450
to go?

1182
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:29,190
Parking Par.

1183
01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:32,310
So they're going to park in the parking lot?

1184
01:05:32,980 --> 01:05:37,180
They'll come. They'll come before things are open and and do their deliveries then.

1185
01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:40,580
It's it's an urban type location similar, you know.

1186
01:05:40,860 --> 01:05:47,020
On the other blocks, they're going to be parking on the street and doing their deliveries 8:00 in the morning or.

1187
01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:48,540
What time?

1188
01:05:49,420 --> 01:05:52,140
I do not know the answer that question. I know the.

1189
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:56,230
Harman has serious problem with.

1190
01:05:56,700 --> 01:05:57,900
The truck noise on the.

1191
01:05:58,660 --> 01:06:01,980
Unfortunately, we don't have any residents real close to here other than in our.

1192
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:10,540
Apartments. Yeah. Well, I can hear the noise from your construction in my house, I think those big trucks in that beeping sound.

1193
01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:12,380
Well, drive us.

1194
01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:14,820
It's too early in the morning, but.

1195
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:19,020
OK, so we have a lot before it's in use.

1196
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:22,660
OK. Yeah. I mean there is a noise ordinance that you can always.

1197
01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:25,140
Talk to the deliveries about.

1198
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:28,660
I must profess. I'm a little concerned that we're.

1199
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:33,020
In the last week of March and we have plans from December.

1200
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:34,500
It's almost like.

1201
01:06:36,260 --> 01:06:38,780
All these questions probably could have been addressed.

1202
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:40,780
Sooner in the process.

1203
01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:44,420
And then I'm not inclined today to say yes.

1204
01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:45,860
Because I think.

1205
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:47,700
You acknowledge that there's.

1206
01:06:47,860 --> 01:06:49,900
Additional work that needs to be done.

1207
01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:53,220
And then I think child's people need a chance to.

1208
01:06:53,780 --> 01:06:56,220
Talk through their concerns if they have them but.

1209
01:06:57,500 --> 01:07:00,060
I always get frustrated on the Planning Commission on it.

1210
01:07:00,660 --> 01:07:05,620
You know, that's three, three more months since this original plan.

1211
01:07:05,780 --> 01:07:07,380
Doesn't look like anything's changed.

1212
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:11,980
Yeah, we've been working on a lot of stuff and I mean what you see before you tonight.

1213
01:07:12,140 --> 01:07:13,340
The only thing we're not?

1214
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:14,980
Us getting back ready to.

1215
01:07:15,420 --> 01:07:21,100
Present is is the changes in the TRC's asked on the buildings as far as the parking and the landscaping.

1216
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:22,620
We're showing you what.

1217
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:23,470
You know we've worked.

1218
01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:26,020
Been working on to change that we're asking for approval on.

1219
01:07:26,540 --> 01:07:27,740
So we would, you know.

1220
01:07:28,220 --> 01:07:30,860
We would request an approval for everything except.

1221
01:07:30,940 --> 01:07:33,380
The elevations that we will continue to work on so.

1222
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:36,830
I could have a quick.

1223
01:07:36,940 --> 01:07:40,460
Question just in regards to your dumpster spells they seem.

1224
01:07:42,250 --> 01:07:44,710
Pretty spaced out from the building like I don't.

1225
01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:48,780
Looking at this, I don't even know which dumpster stall belongs to which pad.

1226
01:07:49,460 --> 01:07:52,580
But it feels like that's a long way for trash to go and hope.

1227
01:07:52,660 --> 01:07:54,740
That none spills in a big parking lot.

1228
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:02,980
Commissioner Rosette, that's intentional, so the garbage is not next to the restaurants and their patios.

1229
01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:07,660
That's always a big, big debate. Where do you put the put the garbage? And so we put it remote.

1230
01:08:07,860 --> 01:08:09,140
So that they're, you know.

1231
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:11,540
Hauling their garbage away from.

1232
01:08:11,660 --> 01:08:14,020
Where all the people are sitting and gathering.

1233
01:08:14,260 --> 01:08:16,540
And they're, you know, not having to deal with those spells.

1234
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:21,110
And because it's food uses, these things get dumped every day.

1235
01:08:21,220 --> 01:08:24,260
Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. Like I understand that aspect of like it just.

1236
01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:26,100
And I mean.

1237
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:31,380
I'm no design expert or landscape architect but like when I think about like.

1238
01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:35,940
You know the tree ordinance and the requirements around parking lots like.

1239
01:08:36,540 --> 01:08:40,100
You know, right in the middle of the parking lot where the heat island would be.

1240
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:43,540
You know, dumpsters and trees on the side type of thing.

1241
01:08:44,820 --> 01:08:47,140
Potentially would mitigate both of those.

1242
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:50,180
I think on the dumpsters there's been a lot of.

1243
01:08:51,330 --> 01:08:54,450
Thought and it was based off of.

1244
01:08:54,660 --> 01:08:56,180
Many of the other properties.

1245
01:08:56,260 --> 01:08:57,300
Woodbury's own.

1246
01:08:57,860 --> 01:08:59,060
And Jeff Liberty.

1247
01:08:59,260 --> 01:09:00,660
Personally was involved in.

1248
01:09:01,380 --> 01:09:02,780
Placing those originally or.

1249
01:09:03,180 --> 01:09:05,100
Closer to Royce and you said that that.

1250
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:07,420
Is really not the right place.

1251
01:09:08,140 --> 01:09:11,980
They're placed back in here where they wouldn't be noticed to be landscaping.

1252
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:14,140
The you know U shape.

1253
01:09:16,140 --> 01:09:18,860
Block enclosure. So the.

1254
01:09:19,340 --> 01:09:21,300
Have minimal impact and then.

1255
01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:23,500
There's a smell issue and there's.

1256
01:09:23,580 --> 01:09:25,940
So there's a they were basing off of.

1257
01:09:26,340 --> 01:09:30,380
Many many years of experience from other properties how they came up with this.

1258
01:09:30,780 --> 01:09:32,900
Layout and so it was actually.

1259
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:34,340
Internally.

1260
01:09:35,060 --> 01:09:36,340
Talked about quite a bit.

1261
01:09:36,900 --> 01:09:38,420
You know, very question we.

1262
01:09:38,580 --> 01:09:39,660
Spent a lot of time on.

1263
01:09:40,140 --> 01:09:41,780
Try to optimize the best.

1264
01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:48,980
Yeah, and the trees that are being proposed to be put in these park strip pads there, do you know what those are?

1265
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:53,670
It's it's on the plan. I don't recall which ones they are. They're.

1266
01:09:53,980 --> 01:09:56,020
One of the recommended trees in the SDMP.

1267
01:09:56,300 --> 01:10:00,420
OK. And the reason I ask for that is I'm thinking like you know from.

1268
01:10:00,780 --> 01:10:06,540
I'm a garbage truck dumpster guy. Here I am with my giant 20 foot high truck or however big those Dang things are. And so you

1269
01:10:06,540 --> 01:10:12,300
know, how much of this finagling are they doing to pull things around versus just like that'll do and I'm just going to bust off a

1270
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:18,060
couple branches of these trees trying to get to them type of thing.

1271
01:10:18,460 --> 01:10:22,180
Yeah, these are. These are designed to have pull out dumpsters on them. They're not the big.

1272
01:10:22,740 --> 01:10:25,060
You know, compactor type things that would raise up.

1273
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:26,060
In the air like that, so.

1274
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:27,500
Gotcha.

1275
01:10:29,010 --> 01:10:30,690
All right. Any other questions for the?

1276
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,670
I'm sorry, I just have a clarification.

1277
01:10:36,380 --> 01:10:40,340
He said no additional square footage is allowed in this block.

1278
01:10:42,340 --> 01:10:44,900
For the footprint or for?

1279
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:46,540
I mean if you added layers.

1280
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:48,540
If we added what?

1281
01:10:48,700 --> 01:10:52,980
If you added stories, for example, yeah, we're not allowed any additional square footage.

1282
01:10:53,060 --> 01:10:54,300
As Trader Joe said so.

1283
01:10:54,540 --> 01:10:56,020
Yep, you're strong.

1284
01:10:56,940 --> 01:11:01,260
Yeah, and they're also requiring what, the minimum or the maximum number of?

1285
01:11:01,660 --> 01:11:04,700
They're requiring, though, that minimum number of parking stalls.

1286
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:07,270
Can't be bigger.

1287
01:11:08,340 --> 01:11:10,140
Because they'd have to have more parking in.

1288
01:11:10,660 --> 01:11:12,540
Trader Joe's won't let him have more parking.

1289
01:11:13,260 --> 01:11:14,220
Why is Trader Joe's turning?

1290
01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:20,380
The judgment that you make business decisions if you want them. That's right.

1291
01:11:21,820 --> 01:11:22,740
I get there's this.

1292
01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:24,540
This balancing of.

1293
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:27,180
How do you get people to come be tenants? But.

1294
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:29,630
I think it's.

1295
01:11:32,610 --> 01:11:33,950
Will there be any?

1296
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:37,780
Restaurant signage visible from either.

1297
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:40,940
Murray Holiday Road or Highland Drive on the building's own way.

1298
01:11:41,980 --> 01:11:42,420
OK.

1299
01:11:43,940 --> 01:11:45,380
And on the back of the buildings just.

1300
01:11:45,820 --> 01:11:48,180
I'll have signage on the back on the buildings, yes.

1301
01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:52,620
Yep, I have visions. Is there any additional signage?

1302
01:11:52,740 --> 01:11:59,180
Other than what she has approved as far as the yeah, I was just concerned because we ran to that from the city I was at with.

1303
01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:03,780
They build all those things and then the first thing they want to do six months later is.

1304
01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:06,380
Put signage on the road they didn't want to face.

1305
01:12:07,630 --> 01:12:10,230
They wanted the signage to be bigger. They'll see some of this.

1306
01:12:10,660 --> 01:12:12,540
Elevations have the signage on the building.

1307
01:12:13,540 --> 01:12:14,580
They'll require that.

1308
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:16,060
So it's not going to be a.

1309
01:12:16,220 --> 01:12:21,820
A big picture of Post Malone's face on the side of raising kings like we have in our neighboring city.

1310
01:12:24,210 --> 01:12:25,090
We can only hold.

1311
01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:30,300
OK.

1312
01:12:30,820 --> 01:12:32,550
Any other questions for applicants at this time?

1313
01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:35,580
All right. We'll go ahead and have you sit down. Thanks so much.

1314
01:12:36,340 --> 01:12:42,220
This is a public hearing item. We'll go ahead and open that. Anyone here that's not the applicant that wants to make.

1315
01:12:42,340 --> 01:12:46,740
Statement 123. Didn't think so. OK, we'll close the public hearing.

1316
01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:48,340
Commissioners.

1317
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:52,900
So I have a question for staff.

1318
01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:57,980
With the sensitivity, with the architecture to the streets.

1319
01:12:58,540 --> 01:13:01,540
Is there anything the staff can recommend that maybe?

1320
01:13:02,460 --> 01:13:04,900
Would consider as kind of a treatment that we could.

1321
01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:08,540
Utilize on all these buildings that are facing these major roads.

1322
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,380
I mean to me I don't want to see everything facing in because.

1323
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:16,330
As you drive by, you'd like to have a project that.

1324
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:19,740
I mean, to me this is really the statement project.

1325
01:13:20,170 --> 01:13:21,530
And it should.

1326
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:24,690
Reflect that in the architecture of landscaping.

1327
01:13:25,290 --> 01:13:25,930
And.

1328
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:28,050
How it sits within the city.

1329
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,780
So to me, I'm curious if staff.

1330
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:33,090
Has any recommendations or direction?

1331
01:13:33,170 --> 01:13:36,895
Yeah, we have had a conversation with the applicant about what's all aspects could be added to this elevation that I have up on

1332
01:13:36,895 --> 01:13:40,620
the screen.

1333
01:13:42,130 --> 01:13:43,010
Because this is.

1334
01:13:43,130 --> 01:13:44,090
Back of house.

1335
01:13:44,650 --> 01:13:46,170
Of the use that's being provided.

1336
01:13:46,930 --> 01:13:51,090
There really is. It's impossible to have any entrances or any features there.

1337
01:13:51,490 --> 01:13:53,850
It's the applicant's intent to comp.

1338
01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:57,450
Find both uses in one into one building, so a pass through.

1339
01:13:57,650 --> 01:13:58,530
Woodwork.

1340
01:13:59,610 --> 01:14:00,850
To get access.

1341
01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:03,330
In between the two buildings.

1342
01:14:03,690 --> 01:14:06,100
But because the applicant is looking to have these buildings.

1343
01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:08,530
Merged together into one that is.

1344
01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:11,770
Necessarily, that's not an option. That would be something we could break up.

1345
01:14:12,130 --> 01:14:13,570
These long facades.

1346
01:14:13,930 --> 01:14:17,410
Of monotonous materials that go up Murray Holiday Rd.

1347
01:14:18,210 --> 01:14:21,010
Then obviously you could have glass panes.

1348
01:14:21,490 --> 01:14:22,450
Transparent.

1349
01:14:23,370 --> 01:14:25,450
Window panes that could be looking inside.

1350
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:28,810
The site is to see activity. You see that I'm hoping.

1351
01:14:29,130 --> 01:14:31,610
You see the dining room, you see those other elements, but.

1352
01:14:31,930 --> 01:14:35,050
Again, because this is backup house, you're probably not going to have that.

1353
01:14:35,250 --> 01:14:36,130
Activity. Uh.

1354
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:40,010
On a sight line, you'll end up with faux windows that.

1355
01:14:40,490 --> 01:14:42,010
You see all over the place.

1356
01:14:43,010 --> 01:14:46,850
So with those sort of ideas in mind, from the staff's point of view.

1357
01:14:47,370 --> 01:14:49,970
We're anxious to see what the applicant can come back with.

1358
01:14:51,810 --> 01:14:53,730
As far as breaking up the.

1359
01:14:53,890 --> 01:14:55,690
Facade going on Marie Holiday.

1360
01:14:56,730 --> 01:14:59,090
For the corner feature rather than, you know.

1361
01:14:59,450 --> 01:15:01,810
What's being proposed is like a monolith.

1362
01:15:02,660 --> 01:15:04,660
Type block situation.

1363
01:15:05,410 --> 01:15:07,570
There could we've given them some.

1364
01:15:08,890 --> 01:15:12,450
Other examples of corner type buildings that aren't necessarily.

1365
01:15:12,930 --> 01:15:14,900
You know, entrance features or.

1366
01:15:15,330 --> 01:15:17,660
They don't have any storefronts, they just have.

1367
01:15:18,170 --> 01:15:20,410
It's just an architectural feature that.

1368
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:22,250
Promotes.

1369
01:15:22,890 --> 01:15:26,850
The use of the building and the location of it being on a corner of two major streets.

1370
01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:29,890
Creating some interest in some thematic.

1371
01:15:30,130 --> 01:15:32,050
Tones where the entire site itself.

1372
01:15:32,610 --> 01:15:36,450
So those that were some examples given the applicant and again we're waiting.

1373
01:15:36,530 --> 01:15:38,010
To see what they've come back with.

1374
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:41,850
So I forgot to ask the applicant, maybe you can answer this.

1375
01:15:42,370 --> 01:15:44,090
Is this proposed architecture?

1376
01:15:44,210 --> 01:15:45,010
From the.

1377
01:15:45,130 --> 01:15:46,810
Corporate companies or is this?

1378
01:15:47,210 --> 01:15:48,890
The project's design.

1379
01:15:48,970 --> 01:15:50,810
That you're offering to.

1380
01:15:51,210 --> 01:15:53,130
Client or both?

1381
01:15:54,380 --> 01:15:56,700
So I'm not sure if you answered or.

1382
01:15:57,450 --> 01:16:00,250
Went through what kind of materials we're talking about.

1383
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:06,470
Like the dark is that, Yeah. Is that a wood or a full wood?

1384
01:16:07,170 --> 01:16:09,530
It is a faux wood.

1385
01:16:09,850 --> 01:16:11,650
Composite material if I remember right.

1386
01:16:13,090 --> 01:16:13,930
It's up here.

1387
01:16:17,210 --> 01:16:20,290
Almost looks like standing seam. Sorry, painted.

1388
01:16:20,410 --> 01:16:21,450
Send that board and then.

1389
01:16:21,610 --> 01:16:22,490
Type paneling.

1390
01:16:23,670 --> 01:16:24,870
This is what's going to be closed.

1391
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:28,070
Is that within the SDM?

1392
01:16:30,430 --> 01:16:31,540
Yeah, it is.

1393
01:16:36,250 --> 01:16:40,050
So some of the elements of the SDMP that you can look at.

1394
01:16:40,130 --> 01:16:41,050
As far as?

1395
01:16:42,270 --> 01:16:43,980
Getting a feel as to what is.

1396
01:16:44,290 --> 01:16:45,210
Being envisioned.

1397
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:48,570
Let me go back up here to the staff report. There's a snippet.

1398
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,020
They included in your.

1399
01:16:51,170 --> 01:16:52,610
In the report itself.

1400
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,800
And basically it talks about breaking up long monotonous walls using.

1401
01:16:59,410 --> 01:17:01,330
Singular materials long.

1402
01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:03,530
Are large areas.

1403
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,400
And, well, that's a horrible.

1404
01:17:08,690 --> 01:17:10,410
But umm.

1405
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:15,940
This last.

1406
01:17:16,090 --> 01:17:18,100
Paragraph this sentence right here.

1407
01:17:18,250 --> 01:17:21,570
Scale and mass of larger buildings to be softened. This is throughout the use.

1408
01:17:21,650 --> 01:17:23,260
Through the use of articulation.

1409
01:17:23,610 --> 01:17:25,530
And different building materials so.

1410
01:17:25,690 --> 01:17:27,170
Specific materials are not.

1411
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:30,090
Listed, but that's. This definitely breaks up.

1412
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:32,050
For the interior of the site.

1413
01:17:32,490 --> 01:17:36,210
Large expanses, facades with multiple different types of interest.

1414
01:17:37,130 --> 01:17:37,940
Which is good.

1415
01:17:38,330 --> 01:17:40,570
Except that it's not really necessarily used on the backside.

1416
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:45,740
Well, I think that large.

1417
01:17:46,170 --> 01:17:49,410
Wall that comes out at the corner that it was black.

1418
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:52,330
I think that's a good start and maybe that can.

1419
01:17:52,770 --> 01:17:53,890
Start to.

1420
01:17:55,740 --> 01:17:58,900
Create the luck you're hoping for. Or at least we're hoping for.

1421
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,620
So I'm going to get back to that because you could almost have a fake wall.

1422
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:10,100
It comes away from the building.

1423
01:18:11,730 --> 01:18:13,490
There's some creative things on that.

1424
01:18:13,890 --> 01:18:16,410
And then that behind it doesn't need to necessarily.

1425
01:18:16,770 --> 01:18:19,330
It can be more functional to the user inside.

1426
01:18:22,510 --> 01:18:23,270
Yeah, agreed.

1427
01:18:23,410 --> 01:18:24,010
Yes. Umm.

1428
01:18:24,490 --> 01:18:26,090
Well this this element up here.

1429
01:18:26,650 --> 01:18:29,650
If they can have some articulation to it or maybe.

1430
01:18:30,410 --> 01:18:33,610
An additional crown element that's kind of you can kind of seem.

1431
01:18:33,690 --> 01:18:35,850
See as a theme throughout the rest of the site.

1432
01:18:36,250 --> 01:18:37,410
It could be enhanced.

1433
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,120
I think there needs to be a color band that kind of breaks it up.

1434
01:18:41,770 --> 01:18:42,570
Horizontally. Umm.

1435
01:18:43,450 --> 01:18:45,650
That's a lot of mass with one color.

1436
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:57,260
And I think the detailing they're trying to show disappears because of its all one color.

1437
01:18:57,970 --> 01:19:00,690
In the 2D drawing or yes, in these drawings for sure.

1438
01:19:00,890 --> 01:19:04,370
Yeah, I don't know how far out the.

1439
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,300
The little boards are sticking out, I mean.

1440
01:19:08,690 --> 01:19:13,090
You'd hope that they stick out far enough to create a nice pattern with the shading and this.

1441
01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:14,130
The shadows.

1442
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:19,580
Those reverse parent channel signs do.

1443
01:19:20,450 --> 01:19:22,650
Probably maybe a foot and 1/2.

1444
01:19:24,180 --> 01:19:27,100
Have some distance set off the facade, but I'm looking at them.

1445
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:28,610
The pieces that are.

1446
01:19:28,890 --> 01:19:32,090
Running up and down along the panels.

1447
01:19:32,770 --> 01:19:36,770
Yeah, the sort of it kind of loses the detail in those songs.

1448
01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:40,300
Looks like about 3 inches.

1449
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,240
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I should have asked.

1450
01:19:50,530 --> 01:19:54,290
So the architects are trying to tie in this with the building, the big Macy's buildings behind it. It's got the black facade with

1451
01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:58,050
the vertical fins on.

1452
01:19:58,250 --> 01:20:01,690
So it's time those two architectures together so they are prominent.

1453
01:20:02,170 --> 01:20:04,930
Like they are on the other building, so it's just tying that all together.

1454
01:20:05,670 --> 01:20:07,100
I like that. I just think that.

1455
01:20:07,290 --> 01:20:11,250
It's a pretty substantial role for that being the only thing.

1456
01:20:11,730 --> 01:20:13,570
So I'm wondering if we shouldn't.

1457
01:20:13,770 --> 01:20:15,450
John, I don't know if that's something, but.

1458
01:20:15,610 --> 01:20:19,810
We got comment, we'll take it back to the architects because to me I don't think it goes.

1459
01:20:19,930 --> 01:20:21,810
So far away from the original design.

1460
01:20:22,330 --> 01:20:24,090
But I think it adds an element that.

1461
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:27,620
Just pushes it to the direction I think.

1462
01:20:27,730 --> 01:20:29,170
You're hoping for, yeah.

1463
01:20:29,370 --> 01:20:30,490
Both of us, I guess.

1464
01:20:30,890 --> 01:20:31,170
Check.

1465
01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:40,690
OK, well.

1466
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:44,100
So it looks like there's no.

1467
01:20:44,170 --> 01:20:48,650
Landscaping in front of the buildings, Just around the buildings, right? So the front of the building.

1468
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:54,820
I see in the one it has a little shrub that.

1469
01:20:56,020 --> 01:20:59,220
On the self pad.

1470
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,660
OK, so there's no trees in the sidewalk or anything?

1471
01:21:13,890 --> 01:21:17,890
That could potentially be. I didn't think about that before, but that could potentially be.

1472
01:21:19,050 --> 01:21:21,890
A part of this request for administrative relief is.

1473
01:21:22,410 --> 01:21:24,250
Using this wide width.

1474
01:21:24,330 --> 01:21:25,770
Most of this area is not.

1475
01:21:25,850 --> 01:21:27,010
Ada accessible.

1476
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,400
Tree wells could be easily.

1477
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,320
Put in place here, but that's just my opinion.

1478
01:21:33,230 --> 01:21:37,110
Well, I think landscaping can be a real enhancement to the architecture.

1479
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,080
Maybe the architect?

1480
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:39,880
Terrific.

1481
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:41,920
Landscaping can fill in.

1482
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:42,760
Sometimes.

1483
01:21:46,340 --> 01:21:48,580
Well, that's going to be a very busy place, isn't it?

1484
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:50,360
3 restaurants.

1485
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,880
And so they're they're no.

1486
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,080
That we've seen two different drawings of trees here.

1487
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,960
The request for relief on this is to put more of them along Highland, right?

1488
01:22:05,770 --> 01:22:08,050
Rather than having the tree islands, yes.

1489
01:22:08,810 --> 01:22:11,850
And then when we go down and look at the next rendering, it shows.

1490
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:19,560
No tree for Long Island. Yeah, I wouldn't use this as the landscaping plan. I would use this as sort of concept layout.

1491
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,320
Because it's the drawing you need to refer to.

1492
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,800
I guess along that same line is.

1493
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,200
Thinking now on in terms of the.

1494
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,120
The landscaping in the trees.

1495
01:22:41,330 --> 01:22:43,530
Instead of pushing it out towards highland.

1496
01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:47,670
Could we think about pushing some of it in front of?

1497
01:22:48,670 --> 01:22:50,330
Around the outdoor.

1498
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,360
Restaurant space, I mean.

1499
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:53,480
I think I.

1500
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,400
I think I would love to have these restaurants this close to my house.

1501
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:03,880
And I would love to have outdoor restaurants. I don't know that I want to sit in the parking lot.

1502
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,280
I'll be parked in one of those handicapped spots, because that's what.

1503
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:08,520
My son is.

1504
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:11,680
And.

1505
01:23:12,630 --> 01:23:15,690
It seems to me that if there could be more of a buffer there.

1506
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,240
With some landscaping.

1507
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,330
Maybe I'd be more comfortable with that than.

1508
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:23,680
Pushing more out onto highlight myself.

1509
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:27,360
That's I try not to.

1510
01:23:28,660 --> 01:23:29,690
Overarchitect.

1511
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:30,960
These things, right?

1512
01:23:31,900 --> 01:23:35,330
You can ask your architects. I fail at that on a miserable basis.

1513
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,240
But at the same time I.

1514
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,520
It just seems to me that.

1515
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:41,080
A little more.

1516
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:41,840
I mean it.

1517
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:50,890
I know it's the way the rendering is done. It looks like that's a lovely space and all those people are having a good time there.

1518
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,800
But they're also sitting right in front of every car.

1519
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:59,520
There, and if we could just get a little buffer there, that would be wonderful.

1520
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,560
You wouldn't see him. I feel like the car was.

1521
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:02,960
Parking lots? Exactly.

1522
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,960
They're not gonna be that many people sitting in an empty parking lot, I guarantee it.

1523
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,440
That's just the wait line. This is Commissioner Roach, that.

1524
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,360
The one thing that stands out to me when I'm looking at the.

1525
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,640
Task on the landscape plan as someone who.

1526
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:23,010
Participated, I don't even remember how many hours and trying to.

1527
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,720
Come up with an appropriate draft and.

1528
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:27,720
Resolution to the.

1529
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,360
Free ordinance around parking lot.

1530
01:24:32,060 --> 01:24:33,850
This is exactly why.

1531
01:24:34,830 --> 01:24:39,730
Right, like this was what we talked about 10 years ago of like, OK, someone's gonna.

1532
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:44,920
You know, pave over something or redo a parking structure and you know.

1533
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:49,800
We want to be Tree City and we want to have more green space and reduce heat islands and.

1534
01:24:51,090 --> 01:24:53,850
Now it's in front of us and it's like, Oh well.

1535
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,000
That doesn't work because, you know, we.

1536
01:24:57,930 --> 01:25:01,450
Not angle the parking lot so much or have more buffer to.

1537
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,730
Keep the parking lot from facing a busy Rd. I don't know.

1538
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:12,330
But for me, it's like the intent of why that ordinance was put through in the first place.

1539
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:14,730
Was to try and break up.

1540
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,280
Heavy heat islands.

1541
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,320
And we keep talking about, oh, this is the corner of the city. This is the entry to the city. And it's like, do we want a giant

1542
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,680
parking lot?

1543
01:25:24,750 --> 01:25:25,490
To be there.

1544
01:25:27,210 --> 01:25:31,090
You know, there's plenty of big parking. They have a three story parking structure.

1545
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,240
A handful of trees around it that we just approved a couple weeks ago.

1546
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:36,880
Right, so.

1547
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:38,480
For me it.

1548
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:43,360
Feels like, you know, I think you can live without 6 stalls or 10 stalls and.

1549
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:48,760
Put in a few more trees and I guarantee you in the middle of summer everyone's going to be parking next to them.

1550
01:25:50,130 --> 01:25:55,410
Right, because we don't go out of our way to find the sunniest spot when it's 100° outside.

1551
01:25:58,650 --> 01:26:01,730
That's just my perspective on the landscaping side as far as the.

1552
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:03,880
Building structures I mean.

1553
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,520
Almost feels like this should have been continued until.

1554
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,160
Everything was in place.

1555
01:26:09,730 --> 01:26:15,050
Because what I keep hearing back and forth from the applicant in the city is like, oh, they're going to bring us more stuff than.

1556
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,320
Why do we even have this in front of us? Is my immediate thought to that.

1557
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,700
Might bring us stuff that's done and ready to approve because as it stands just right now, looking at what we have in front of us,

1558
01:26:22,700 --> 01:26:26,400
I'm not inclined to say yes.

1559
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,560
And it sounds like there's still a bunch of question marks in there too.

1560
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,600
That's just my opinion though.

1561
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,240
And we are a Commission, so I wasn't going to shut my mouth.

1562
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:36,840
And check in with you guys.

1563
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,680
Well, you did. You embrace the thought with me about.

1564
01:26:41,860 --> 01:26:42,860
Because I also don't.

1565
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,240
One job in the parking lot, surrounded by trees.

1566
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:48,360
If you're going to have a walkway.

1567
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,520
Connecting the two buildings.

1568
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:52,560
Why couldn't the trees?

1569
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:54,480
And decided.

1570
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,840
It becomes more of a feature.

1571
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:58,640
What's The Walking machine in?

1572
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:03,160
I I think there's some options in that.

1573
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:09,640
I get from an economic standpoint and using the land.

1574
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,080
That you know why this?

1575
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:12,840
Is a good idea, but.

1576
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,560
I think there's some tweaking that would fix.

1577
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,040
The concerns that we have.

1578
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,480
And again.

1579
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:26,280
The back of the building if there's nothing there, trees, shrubs or anything else.

1580
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,280
Just make graphs and a brick in the wall.

1581
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:33,360
South Jordan.

1582
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,320
He felt a huge complex out there.

1583
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,520
And you have to drive around inside to find what's there because it's got outward facing.

1584
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,560
Walls and all that and.

1585
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,840
People on Bangor aren't sure what city they're in because all they see is back walls.

1586
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,800
I have a question for staff and I think I know.

1587
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,040
The answer to this?

1588
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:57,720
John but.

1589
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,440
I think that the thing that's.

1590
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,560
That's struggling for me is not.

1591
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,840
Just this site, even though it feels like a really key site.

1592
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,800
In some ways, this was unavoidable.

1593
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:15,200
But the process of approving things has been a rolling process where we don't have full context.

1594
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,400
And I appreciate that there's this complicated.

1595
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:22,720
You know ballet that.

1596
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,000
The client the applicant is doing where they have to be able to.

1597
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:32,360
Promised things to some of the tenants and that influences other parts of it, however.

1598
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,200
It does feel like.

1599
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,760
If we had known six months ago.

1600
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,640
That Trader Joe's would have certain requirements for this block.

1601
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,600
Then I would have asked for different things on different walks.

1602
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:48,280
We can't retroactively go back and change things, however I do feel like.

1603
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,400
Part of having an SDMP is having a vision for the entire plot.

1604
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,320
And the balance has been thrown off.

1605
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:55,640
By having a bit of a.

1606
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:57,120
You know, a rolling.

1607
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:04,280
Process. I don't know how to address that at this point because we've approved most blocks, however.

1608
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,440
When I look at the overall thing.

1609
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,280
I feel mostly.

1610
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,680
A vague sense of disappointment. It feels lopsided.

1611
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,240
And I I don't know how to address that at this point.

1612
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,010
I don't know if there's anything we can do to address it, however.

1613
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:19,730
If there were things we would have known.

1614
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,610
I think we would have addressed things differently.

1615
01:29:22,810 --> 01:29:24,250
Yeah, as.

1616
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,840
All the sites that you've been reviewing and approving have been permitted uses.

1617
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,930
And not conditional, it really wouldn't be a way to bring them back.

1618
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,720
Yeah. However, going forward we can.

1619
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,000
Request the applicant to provide.

1620
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:38,450
Context.

1621
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,200
You know how is this?

1622
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:41,920
This site Intermingle Interact.

1623
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:46,480
React to other blocks from within the site itself.

1624
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,080
Especially as we start talking about.

1625
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,720
How we're getting from this parking lot to Trader Joe's site.

1626
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:56,680
With Cross and.

1627
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,680
Something like that, yeah. Or, or how we expect people to walk from the.

1628
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:06,160
Large parking structure in the center which I'm a huge fan of not having the giant parking lot here and I.

1629
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,010
Love the way you're parking, I think that's great.

1630
01:30:08,890 --> 01:30:12,490
But are we expecting people to walk from here to there? It's only a.

1631
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,400
1200 foot walk.

1632
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,040
But it's actually not very conducive to walking.

1633
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:18,240
We also put.

1634
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,240
All the residential way over there.

1635
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,080
That the the the mixed-use.

1636
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:24,480
I kept waiting to see it.

1637
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:25,760
And now we're at the end of.

1638
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,520
Mostly the end of the process.

1639
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,560
And I think if we had known that this is what the rest of.

1640
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,160
The the site would look like.

1641
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:39,280
We might have pushed back a little bit more about isolating residential so much from the other uses because.

1642
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:40,360
It doesn't.

1643
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:44,240
Feel like a mixed-use anymore which is one of the huge visions.

1644
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:45,440
Of the SDMP.

1645
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:49,560
So.

1646
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:51,680
And that affects, you know.

1647
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,000
Walkability and.

1648
01:30:54,310 --> 01:30:59,250
How we think that each space will be used. It's just been hard to understand the broad context.

1649
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:00,080
Piece by piece.

1650
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:08,600
Yeah, when you have 57 acres that's broken up in the blocks like this that have to come up.

1651
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,000
You know as the on the on the applicants timeline.

1652
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:12,520
Yeah.

1653
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:17,040
To be fair, I I also don't think it's reasonable to say.

1654
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:21,240
You can't promise any of these spaces till we have the whole vision. I don't think that would have been.

1655
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:22,680
Reasonable either.

1656
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:24,960
I just feel like we've been sort of.

1657
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,640
Whack a mole in until it's hard to.

1658
01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:31,530
You know, hard to get a sense of the whole.

1659
01:31:33,980 --> 01:31:35,330
Hard to know what they're reasonable.

1660
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,840
I don't know how we would have done it differently.

1661
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:41,880
But now that we have done much of it.

1662
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,360
It's it's troubling.

1663
01:31:46,530 --> 01:31:50,490
The old saying Hindsight's 2020. Yeah, my glasses. Damn, you're so good.

1664
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:55,970
Mr. Barrett, you've been pretty quiet. Thoughts.

1665
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:59,480
Now I think what everybody is saying I agree with because.

1666
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:04,120
I don't know if this is what was intended when the original master plan.

1667
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:08,480
Came through this seems to be kind of going in a direction that.

1668
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:14,080
You didn't need to have it in a master plan because it's just a normal, prototypical kind of site.

1669
01:32:15,950 --> 01:32:18,930
I was hoping that we could do a little more creativity that.

1670
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,040
Could help maybe how the site?

1671
01:32:22,050 --> 01:32:23,690
Not only how the parking lot.

1672
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:25,720
Lays out but also.

1673
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,560
For those using the parking lot.

1674
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,680
The heat islands to me are extreme and it's.

1675
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,600
This doesn't really help.

1676
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:37,120
I mean it.

1677
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,080
It is exactly what corporate restaurants want.

1678
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:44,840
And I get that. I'm not trying to fight you guys on that at all. I'm just trying to make it.

1679
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,760
Something that to me.

1680
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,160
Kind of signifies something that's special.

1681
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,080
And in hopes of.

1682
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,080
We did a project that really.

1683
01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:56,360
Set that standard and makes it look.

1684
01:32:57,230 --> 01:32:59,910
Like the ones we can always point to, you know, and just.

1685
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:01,120
How we did this?

1686
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,360
I'm kind of at a loss because I don't know how we can.

1687
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:06,280
Dictate the architecture.

1688
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,240
How we can dictate the landscaping? I think the.

1689
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,200
The Commission has certainly shared.

1690
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:15,840
That we would like to see these things, but I'm not sure if we have that much authority.

1691
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,000
So I expect those things. I mean to me.

1692
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,600
You're quite a ways down the road here.

1693
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:25,240
And after all this work has been done.

1694
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,600
Now to ask the Commission to come in and say.

1695
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:28,320
Well, uh.

1696
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:30,160
Trying to fix it when you can.

1697
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,880
I think it's kind of a little difficult in what?

1698
01:33:35,260 --> 01:33:36,850
The other commissioners were saying.

1699
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,640
I completely agree with.

1700
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:42,550
I would like to see the finished project and maybe then we can kind of.

1701
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,040
Fine tune it.

1702
01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:51,370
My dad always warned me, don't build the ship while you're sailing it because you're going to just be bailing water all the time.

1703
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:52,320
So, umm.

1704
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,600
This seems to be kind of in that thing. I don't, I don't, I'm not trying to make.

1705
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:57,760
Light of this I'm.

1706
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,400
Seriously hoping that this.

1707
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,040
Corner could be a real significant.

1708
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:06,200
Corner. I'm not exactly sure if it's demonstrating that.

1709
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:07,520
Through this proposal.

1710
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,560
Yeah. And historically, you know, as we bring.

1711
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,440
Majority of these site plans to the Planning Commission.

1712
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:19,240
They're previous to this was a process of a concept and then a preliminary final.

1713
01:34:20,510 --> 01:34:22,970
By state statute, we now have to show you.

1714
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:25,760
Sort of everything at once and have you ask.

1715
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:29,080
Ask the question conceptually. Does this meet the?

1716
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,160
But also ask the applicant to bring forth a lot of civil site work.

1717
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,880
That's included in these other drawings.

1718
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,680
That does. Yeah, it does present.

1719
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,240
Life safety does prevent the minimum standards of access and fire etc.

1720
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,320
But through the site development.

1721
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:46,850
Plan. There is some site design on that.

1722
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,600
There's still a point of the Planning Commission.

1723
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,200
Youth is, you know, pretty much.

1724
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,000
You know, design standards. We can.

1725
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,800
It's very esoteric because it's just described in, you know.

1726
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:00,520
Verbose language.

1727
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:05,960
And not really giving you a very specific elements, there is some design palettes to choose from.

1728
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:08,720
But having.

1729
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,320
The staff to work with applicant, I think we can come up with something.

1730
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,560
That would be pleasing to the Planning Commission, but.

1731
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,600
I am not adverse to bringing that type of element back.

1732
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:25,320
But it's through the site development requirements of your chapter 13 you can move some things around.

1733
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:26,880
Even though they are proposed.

1734
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:35,120
I mean, I don't know.

1735
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,080
Like what does that mean? Do we call for a vote? And.

1736
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,280
Sounds like we know which direction that's going to go and then they just.

1737
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:43,520
Bring it back again.

1738
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:46,440
Well, I think what you can do. I mean, I've got some.

1739
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:48,600
Notes that I've been taking.

1740
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:51,560
At least making a motion for.

1741
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:52,920
The preliminary.

1742
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,640
Layout for use Access life safety utilities.

1743
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,240
Those types of things you know are working.

1744
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,600
They're they're there and they can be provided.

1745
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:04,800
How the landscaping and how it interacts with.

1746
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:07,160
The parking lot and how it.

1747
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,840
May interact with the buildings and building design.

1748
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,480
Can either be brought back to you as a final?

1749
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,200
Site plan approval at your next meeting.

1750
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:18,480
Or obviously deferred to staff but.

1751
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:24,440
Making a motion at least allowing those elements to to set the grading and civil site work.

1752
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:27,920
As a benchmark that the applicants can.

1753
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:28,800
Work off of.

1754
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:32,640
At least can get that element in stat step rolling.

1755
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:37,840
And then everything else of the accoutrement and it could be added to that site can be brought back.

1756
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:41,080
As a refined element to the Planning Commission at your next meeting.

1757
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,320
You can type all that up so I can just read it as a motion real quick.

1758
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:47,960
Can I ask you a quick question?

1759
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,480
How many parking spaces do we lose if we take?

1760
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,080
Trees out and put the landscaping on island.

1761
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:54,200
18.

1762
01:36:54,440 --> 01:36:54,840
OK.

1763
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,720
How many parking spaces do we use?

1764
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:07,560
Yeah, because of the trees.

1765
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,560
In the parking areas.

1766
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:11,920
I'm just wondering if there's a loss.

1767
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,960
Up 618.

1768
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:17,040
Yeah, for those.

1769
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:18,400
Four islands.

1770
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:20,320
But don't.

1771
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:22,400
Oh, there wouldn't be additional on high.

1772
01:37:23,690 --> 01:37:27,290
His memory serves. Aren't those islands supposed to be about a snow width?

1773
01:37:28,370 --> 01:37:33,650
But no, they're they're a bit bigger with the with the gutters around them, they would be at least a stone and 1/2.

1774
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:45,200
I agree with the chair, I think that it's not ready to have a vote.

1775
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,840
I mean, I think the direction we've tried to give.

1776
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,480
Has been helpful, but I'm not sure if I want to act on half of this.

1777
01:37:53,950 --> 01:37:55,390
Maybe we can.

1778
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:59,200
Well, the more complete concept or whatever.

1779
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:00,640
Whatever I'm calling you.

1780
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:07,160
So I was concerned.

1781
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,000
And maybe applicant must address this.

1782
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,200
When I drove by on the way to this meeting.

1783
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:21,000
I mean, obviously the the clearing of that parking lot area and the leveling is well underway.

1784
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:25,000
At that end is a two week delay.

1785
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:27,720
Going to stop the next thing.

1786
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:29,320
After you get that love up, I mean.

1787
01:38:31,460 --> 01:38:34,090
Yeah, I have issued a demo permit for that site.

1788
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:36,640
Just to clear the old asphalt out.

1789
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:41,660
Yeah. Yeah. Well, John, John suggested that you wanted to type up if you could approve tonight the utilities and so forth to keep

1790
01:38:41,660 --> 01:38:46,240
that work going so we don't delay it.

1791
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:48,120
You have that demo permit, but we don't.

1792
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:49,480
You know, we're right on the.

1793
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:51,200
Hills to meet our time.

1794
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:53,440
You know requirements, so to come back.

1795
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,900
Presents many different ideas on the architecture which we're already in process, and then if you want us to tweak some of the

1796
01:38:56,900 --> 01:38:59,800
landscaping.

1797
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,840
But if tonight you could just.

1798
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,160
Give us the approval on the base.

1799
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:09,600
Civil drains and so forth. That would be super helpful to us. Two weeks we really hurt us so.

1800
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,380
And then we can, if you want us to come back next Planning Commission meeting with new elevations and some great landscape plans,

1801
01:39:13,380 --> 01:39:16,480
we're happy to do that.

1802
01:39:19,570 --> 01:39:21,610
And can I clarify that that means?

1803
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:23,360
That we are approving.

1804
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,400
Three restaurants in a big parking lot.

1805
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,360
If we approve the if we approve the preliminary with the Civil.

1806
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:29,760
That's what we're.

1807
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:33,800
And remember that the SDMP.

1808
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,320
Is this exact layout that it's already been approved?

1809
01:39:37,480 --> 01:39:39,480
These pads and that parking lot.

1810
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:41,200
Already approved.

1811
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:42,960
It's in accordance with the STP.

1812
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:48,240
So so this this section of your in within your packet.

1813
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:50,640
That starts on this cover page would be.

1814
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:52,640
The civil site work package.

1815
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:54,720
This would be the.

1816
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:56,240
Design of.

1817
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,320
Setting the elevations of the pads.

1818
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:01,560
Setting the elevations of the parking lot.

1819
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:03,000
The Drive Isles.

1820
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,120
At least showing labour and those utilities would be located.

1821
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:10,040
That would be the extent of the approval.

1822
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:14,880
And then the final would be bringing back a finalized landscaping plan and then the building designs.

1823
01:40:16,060 --> 01:40:18,530
And with approving that, assuming that.

1824
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,480
A relief is not given.

1825
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:22,960
Is that gonna mess up anything they're doing?

1826
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:24,880
As far as like.

1827
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:29,560
Gotta have those islands in there you can't extend that berm out to make up for.

1828
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:33,000
I wouldn't think so.

1829
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:33,480
OK.

1830
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:37,760
I just don't want to try and put it back.

1831
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,680
You know what I mean? Like I don't want to do it all and then have to reverse course.

1832
01:40:42,440 --> 01:40:43,920
I mean, the safest bet would be.

1833
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,200
Following Commissioner Barrett's.

1834
01:40:47,140 --> 01:40:48,010
Suggestion.

1835
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:51,410
And just to make things.

1836
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:53,330
Super easy because.

1837
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,720
Unless someone else wants to give it a go.

1838
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,200
Is it possible?

1839
01:40:57,360 --> 01:40:59,280
Council, you might have to chime in on this.

1840
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:04,050
Could you just make the suggested motion as it's been presented and then we could just.

1841
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:05,890
Copycat there.

1842
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,760
So we're not stumbling all over trying to wordsmith it.

1843
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:15,080
As staff, I would be uncomfortable doing that, I have written.

1844
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,840
A suggestion sort of framework around that?

1845
01:41:22,170 --> 01:41:23,610
There's two motions here.

1846
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:25,760
One for block A, one for C.

1847
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:32,230
We haven't talked about the building design in Block C Yeah, I mean, that's The thing is we're still waiting on building.

1848
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,840
Words as far as orientation, right?

1849
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:40,120
The orientation would be the only thing for block C lot C.

1850
01:41:42,440 --> 01:41:42,880
As.

1851
01:41:46,010 --> 01:41:49,690
So there's there is there is an option here to continue?

1852
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,040
And then you have the basic framework.

1853
01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:54,080
These are suggested findings.

1854
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:57,960
That you could limit it to 1-2 and three.

1855
01:41:58,780 --> 01:42:01,890
The proposal complies with review standards of 1308.

1856
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:06,320
Provided evidence that all uses can be serviced by life safety utilities.

1857
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:10,240
Development details and related components comply with MU.

1858
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:13,200
Man the SDMP and master plan but then.

1859
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:16,000
You would continue four or five.

1860
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:19,280
And not use this condition.

1861
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:20,400
Of approval.

1862
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:23,160
That would follow the same for block C loss.

1863
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:24,400
You know Luxi.

1864
01:42:25,250 --> 01:42:27,730
OK, I'll give this a whirl. Let's see.

1865
01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:34,250
This is Chair Roach. I'd like to make a motion to approve the preliminary site development.

1866
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:43,770
And building design for Block A of the Royal Holiday Hills development located in the RMU zone located at 4825 S Royce Drive.

1867
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:47,840
With final site plan approvals to be delegated to staff.

1868
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:50,760
With the findings of.

1869
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,210
1-2 and three.

1870
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:54,520
In the packet.

1871
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,200
However, continuing 4:00 and 5:00.

1872
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:01,210
To come back.

1873
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:04,000
And also extending that to block C.

1874
01:43:07,730 --> 01:43:09,450
You want to prove plexi or?

1875
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:10,640
Continue.

1876
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:11,520
Approved.

1877
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:14,440
And continue to.

1878
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,760
Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, continued blocks. See.

1879
01:43:18,670 --> 01:43:20,410
This is Commissioner Baron, I second that.

1880
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,200
OK. Did I get everything in there right, John?

1881
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,400
With the exception. I'm sorry with the final sentence there.

1882
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,080
Continuing final site plan to staff.

1883
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:34,400
Do you want, do you want that come back to Planning Commissioner or leave that with staff Little.

1884
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:36,760
Do we wanna trust John or do we wanna see this again?

1885
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:40,360
I'm asking.

1886
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,280
Before I amend the motion, I think it counts back as.

1887
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:52,120
OK, so yeah, OK, so amend my motion strike final site plan approvals and.

1888
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:52,800
Have uh.

1889
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:55,560
Final site plan come back to Planning Commission.

1890
01:43:57,540 --> 01:43:59,450
There's the amended motion. Do I have a second?

1891
01:44:00,420 --> 01:44:02,940
I second it. OK, Commissioner Barron. Seconds.

1892
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:07,880
All right, everybody's agreed we did it right. I hope so. Here we go, Commissioner Cunningham.

1893
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:09,160
Commissioner Trippin.

1894
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:10,240
Aye, Mr. Gone.

1895
01:44:13,820 --> 01:44:15,900
No, OK, Commissioner Barrett, I.

1896
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,440
And chair Roosevelt's eyes so with.

1897
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:20,240
4:00 to 1:00.

1898
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,040
That part of it.

1899
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,920
We'll move forward on the other part we look forward to seeing.

1900
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:28,160
Hopefully with some.

1901
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:29,600
Modifications.

1902
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:32,080
OK, perfect.

1903
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:36,000
And that takes us to the balance of our meeting. We don't have any other items. So with that, thank you, Commissioners, I'll make

1904
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:39,400
a motion to adjourn. All in favor.

1905
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:41,160
Anybody wants to stay?