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Let's call the meeting of the City Council quarter.

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Will start, as always, with Pledge of Allegiance with the.

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Council Member Durham lead us in the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag.

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Of the United States of America.

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And to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God.

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Indivisible.

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With liberty and justice for all.

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OK.

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Next up is public comment.

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I don't see ya.

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Huge crowd here today, but if there's any who wish to address the Council.

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Happy to take your comments.

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Seeing none.

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We'll close public comment.

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And move toward item number 4.

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Consideration of ordinance regarding our fireworks map.

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And with us today is Fire Marshall Wade Watkins.

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Who can address the issues and answer our questions and.

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Help us come to a decision now.

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Just a little backing up, we normally like to have a more robust.

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Discussion prior to taking a vote, but we are under the gun.

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In that way, this is our last Council meeting before the statutory May 1st declaration.

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We can discuss issues also of.

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How?

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Permanent This decision is relative to the fireworks.

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A season and there's not.

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Strict permanence.

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But we'll have to make a policy decision regarding.

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What kind of flexibility?

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Think we want to have in what direction that flexibility would go?

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And then also.

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Well, I can do a little more briefing with regard to the you all saw in your packet we have.

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Three options prepared.

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Of course the.

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Option A being the more restrictive, which is similar to what we had in 2021 through 2023.

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Options B&C are similar.

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I don't know that.

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Option B is A.

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Compromise between A and C so much it is a clean up of C in that it.

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Adds back in some areas that.

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I don't know if they're inadvertently.

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Left out or?

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Specifically left out, but they're.

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It's not necessarily a.

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A compromise option so much as a.

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Alternate version of C.

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So anyway.

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Let's get into some of the data and.

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And where the?

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The fire community is currently.

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Thinking about.

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This current season coming up.

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OK. Thank you for your time. Again, by way of introduction, my name is Wade Watkins. I'm a little proud. I've been born and raised

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in Holiday, went to Holiday Elementary, Olympus and so on and so forth. So I know the community very well.

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I'm really happy to be here tonight. I do want to message you.

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Some items about.

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The fireworks this year and and talk about resources and considerations before we get into anything else.

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So you all know about the interactive map which.

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By May 1st.

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We need to have the fireworks restrictions within your communities submitted so it can be populated on that map.

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That map is going to be published.

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On or before June 1st.

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Between.

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May to June 1st and even after June 1st.

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If there are any safety considerations with your community.

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Fire weather behavior being a priority.

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We can make adjustments to that map.

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So that decision you make?

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Tonight.

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Or before May 1st is going to be relative to.

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Getting that map published.

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In June.

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So we we have options, we have some latitude there.

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So if we want to err on the side of.

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Restricting.

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And then adjust that's an option if we want to air on the side of opening it up and.

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Restricting the.

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As we come closer to the fire weather or fire season.

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We can do that depending on what the weather does.

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We within the municipalities, and I'm just going to talk about this as a, as a point of education within your municipality, as

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your legislative body, you control those firework restrictions.

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In May I meant to.

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Anticipating forestry fires, state and lands to do some statewide restrictions.

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You're going to hear about that. You're going to hear.

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They're going to come out strong as they do, and it's usually in May, in the end of May. That's what I've noticed.

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So just understand that that that is for state owned lands.

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And unincorporated areas, and then you'll also hear about forest or.

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Forest Service restrictions, too.

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Those restrictions are not relative to your community here.

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So just a little bit of education for everybody because as soon as we hear that.

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You, you hear the citizens.

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Bring those restrictions up.

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State lands and unincorporated one it.

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Comes to forestry, fire state and lands.

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Another thing that's important to communicate is.

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Each vendor within the community and within Salt Lake County and or Utah County there is in which I serve.

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Each Bender will have a copy of the map, a hard copy at their vendor station, wherever they're selling their fireworks.

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They will also have a QR code that they connect.

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Connect to that.

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So if there are any changes.

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After the adoption of that map.

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The citizens are going to be able to see that to include.

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All the messaging we do as the unified fire authority to ensure that the public can see those changes.

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In that information.

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So tonight.

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Any questions you have about restrictions?

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Within your community, I am more than happy to answer.

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The metric to make these decisions? Many people have asked us what are the metrics being used?

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Currently, we have no direction from the state fire marshals.

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Office related to any metrics available.

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I reached out to multiple different fire marshals today to ensure that I was.

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Understanding what everybody else is doing.

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And we had that conversation and, and it's basically.

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To be determined to see what the fire weather does.

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I know that each of you want to make that decision and want to make an educated decision.

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But with that data, obviously when we experience drought, we can start considering that which we are.

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In a very dry year so far in the first quarter.

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That could change. I don't anticipate it changing.

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But I would say.

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Any information that we do have, any direction from the state and or other?

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Communities within Salt Lake County.

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We will communicate heavily through.

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Our liaison here to ensure that you have that information.

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One thing that I have noticed restrictions are.

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Average throughout Ufas, service area and other communities.

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Nobody has made any large adjustments that I'm aware of.

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So with all that said.

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Do I have any questions or concerns or anything that I'm missing?

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I guess the.

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The question I have is about.

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Relative conditions, I mean we've.

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We try to make this decision based on.

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Best data available.

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As opposed to.

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Non data related.

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Because some of our residents, you know, love to have St. fireworks and.

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Others can't stand them.

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We try to make it based on.

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Safety data.

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Feels like it's we having to make this decision, although I'm grateful that we have flexibility available to us.

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To pivot.

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If we.

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If the circumstances change.

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So I guess if we can get into.

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Some data, I mean, for instance we.

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In 2021 through 2023 we had.

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Essentially in.

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The entire city was restricted. Is that right, Gina? Was it?

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21 through 23.

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And that initial trigger in 2021? That was a.

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And I don't remember if that was.

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On the May 1st time frame or if that came.

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After the fact if it was a subsequent adjustment.

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It was a subsequent adjustment, so we had our standard restrictions in place but then pivoted.

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June 1st when?

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Everybody's hair was on fire about.

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You know, severe.

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Drought conditions. We went from a.

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D2 to D.

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And that could happen again, or it may not.

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But is there any information on?

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Fuel load.

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Condition from what I've seen and they just you can confirm or.

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So you don't know or whatever, but.

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My understanding just in.

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You know my.

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Basic Internet.

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Research, OH.

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I'm sorry, I've already lost the credibility of my research. I did it on the Internet. Oh.

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Indicates that.

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The previous wet springs have brought.

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Increase in fuel load.

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While this year.

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Without any snowpack to speak of.

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That same fuel load is now.

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He's still there.

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And B hadn't been.

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Matted down and waterlogged. And so it's already.

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Drying.

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And becoming.

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A greater risk?

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Now certainly if we have a.

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Monsoon, June. That could all change, but as of now.

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What I'm reading and saying and hearing is that.

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The fire season has already started. It started early.

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And that that fuel load is heavy and.

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Relatively dry.

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Relative to the season we're in.

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You know, late April, early.

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We'd expect to have those fuels dry out more.

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More so in June and July.

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So that in my mind feels like.

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We're already in elevated, not just slightly elevated, but significantly elevated.

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Wildfire risk?

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Would that be?

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A fair evaluation? Or is it am I?

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Am I? Is my hair on fire too soon? Am I?

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Falling into the.

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Internet trap of telling me.

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You know.

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You know the panic mode.

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You know you get more clicks with panic mode than you do with.

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Calm mode so.

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I'd rather have a professional opinion than the Internet opinion.

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I recently, uh.

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Sat through a training related to fire weather through the Great Basin. I watched what was happening again when I say Great Basin

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in the wildland urban interface, so in in higher elevations.

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And we've had.

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Already.

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Fire behavior. We've had substantial fires already, which.

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I'm not going to say unprecedented, because we've seen.

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Stuff like this before.

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And that's where when you talk to fire personnel, we've seen it, we've been around it. I'm not a fan of fireworks. I'm not

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advocating for fireworks.

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I am advocating for a balanced approach.

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And I think.

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Bit what you're saying, Mayor, is very educated and you're paying attention to everything within your community and with the state

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of Utah.

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There are certain trigger points, and again this trigger point is the May 1st state is the preparatory.

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Preparatory.

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Trigger point to get that map up.

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Either approach you make.

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Whether you want to be.

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Restrictive and then open that up if weather changes is is a great option, or conversely if you want to do the opposite.

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That's a great option.

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I will ensure that you will have whatever information we have.

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And I would say from my perspective, it is in May.

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Or late April as we are right now.

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It's hard to tell where we're going to be in June.

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Right, it would be my best guess and I could be absolutely wrong.

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But I can promise you that you will get the most relevant and current information to make those changes if needed.

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During that time period.

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I anticipated dry year. I mean it's been this first quarter.

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This first quarter we did look up some statistics and we're.

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Like in the last 130 years this has been.

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I think ranked eighteen in the first quarter.

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Can that change?

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Absolutely. We're in Utah. Things do change like that.

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We are ready to communicate. We're ready to make sure that you guys have the information or.

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We're ready to change that map.

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If needed.

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So I can offer that.

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Looking at the different communities and again.

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Everybody's unique on how they want it, want to address this situation within their community, so.

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Those are the considerations and the information I have.

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Do I have any questions by chance?

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I have one.

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I understand.

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The variation that might occur from year to year.

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In in areas where there's.

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Really close interface with the.

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The Foothills? Mm-hmm.

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In the areas of the city that.

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More suburban.

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Is there?

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A significant difference from year to year or.

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Because people.

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Water and there's.

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More pavement and stuff like that.

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Is there really that kind of variation in those areas of the city?

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I would say.

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That when you have fire breaks which erode is a great example of fire breaks.

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It's less difficult for us to show up and put that fire out when there are those fire breaks.

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Where you do run into some challenges, anywhere you have contiguous fuel. So anytime you have a run of fuel.

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And we've seen that in adjacent communities. We haven't seen it in holiday or in recent years.

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Where fuel can light from different sources of ignition. Could it be fireworks? Yes. Can it be other sources of ignition? Yes.

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And you could see that fuel take off and run.

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So when you're.

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Fighting fire, from our perspective, if you have fuel breaks, that's going to slow things down. So it's manageable for us and it

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gives us time.

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I do know your community is very well manicured, generally speaking, and that's a big.

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Big importance.

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I do know that your historic data. I was the holiday liaison before Captain Brown and we.

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Briefly had a conversation about Have we seen anything?

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Of great significance during those firework periods.

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And we haven't.

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I do want.

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Want to caution everybody and say that.

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That bad things do happen, and we're going to.

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It's on us all to make sure that we.

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Reduce that risk as much as possible.

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Within reason.

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As we navigate this also.

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So.

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I guess I have a.

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On that more than a question.

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It does seem like this.

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This May 1st date is is tricky when it comes to looking at the weather, but given that that's the date that the legislature has

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said that we need to make the decision by.

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And the primary.

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Inputs that change every year.

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Are the weather and we're looking at historically low snow, snowpack. I mean I just pulled up on drought Utah Gov and we're at 15%

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of snowpack which is ridiculous.

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Were in extreme.

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Or yes, sorry, it's severe drought condition for also Lake County it feels like.

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If we.

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Didn't restrict to things.

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Under these conditions.

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Under what conditions would we restrict them?

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At this time of year.

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Obviously things can change and it sounds like we have some freedom to address that later on, but I just can't.

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Picture this time of year.

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A scenario.

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That we would.

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Would make the change that isn't this scenario.

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If that makes sense. That's kind of where I'm.

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I'm leaning right now.

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Just with our.

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With weather being the primary input, that changes from year to year.

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I think 2 going along with what Emily said, it's a lot.

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Easier.

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To lift restrictions.

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If we end up having a monsoon.

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Spring.

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And we find that the weather is no longer.

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A factor that we're weighing, I think it's a lot easier.

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To lift those restrictions that we've put in rather than place new restrictions if all of a sudden we're hitting 100°.

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May 10th.

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For the duration of the summer.

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I think that's a good point.

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Mayor Fotheringham, Can I?

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Offer a read of the statute. That might inform your decision a little bit.

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This is one of those statutes that's good for lawyers and bad for you because it.

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There's there's room for interpretation.

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And I can see how.

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Fire Marshall might have an interpretation that you can.

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Both bring the restrictions back or loosen the restrictions after the May 1 deadline.

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I think a more cautious reading of the statute is that.

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You can.

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Go less restrictive.

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After the May 1 deadline, but not more restrictive.

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After the May 1 deadline, if you go more restrictive after the deadline than I think.

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Your decisions open to challenge.

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Of course that's what we did in 2021, but.

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Everybody's hair was on fire, so no one challenged it.

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But just to make sure I understand, it's easier to.

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Loosen. Loosen then.

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You are. You're required to provide a map.

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By May 1.

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And then?

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The next.

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Section of the statute says the municipal legislative body may not close an area to the discharge of fireworks due to a historical

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hazardous environmental condition and less.

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It provides a map.

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In accordance with paragraph 3.

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I think again you could read that that.

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If you provide a map by May 1, you could provide.

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A different map later on.

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I think somebody that wanted to read this in a way that would say you.

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Can't restrict it other than on that date.

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Would say.

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If the map you provide after May 1 is more restrictive.

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It is not compliant with.

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The statutory requirement.

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A more cautious reading of the statute would be.

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As long as you provide the more restrictive map by May 1.

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You could.

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Bring that boundary in.

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At a later date and be less restrictive.

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And still comply.

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With that requirement.

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OK, very good.

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I had a sorry I have a question. Do we have any data?

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I'm sorry.

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Earlier, earlier conversations, but.

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Tying how many?

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Incidents are reported.

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They're directly tied towards fireworks.

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So.

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Again.

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I was the the liaison in Holiday City prior to Captain Dan Brown, so we have.

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And we're very aware of.

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Larger incidents or anything that's tied to fire to.

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Fireworks within the community.

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Within the windows.

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Of fireworks within Holiday City. We've had no large scale fires.

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That we've been aware of.

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And again, that's over the last decade during those windows of fireworks. It doesn't mean that fireworks outside of those windows

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have been a concern.

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Or illegal fireworks at different times, but that's.

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That's the window of time that we're looking at.

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So.

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Over the over the past decade.

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We're not aware of any fires that.

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Any large scale fires that came from fireworks? Could there be small fires or?

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Could there be? Could somebody have lit a garbage can on fire?

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Yes.

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During that time period, but nothing of scale that was notable.

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Yeah, the the notable one was from a lawnmower.

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Yes, so.

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And and I guess that's.

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Which is a far more innocuous sort, or less innocuous and benign?

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All we need is an ignition source.

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The fuel source and that's where you see a lot of those incidents come from.

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And it's many things that we don't.

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Notice until it's too late.

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So.

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And some of the areas I think about that are.

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Currently in the.

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Historically, less restricted zones would be in.

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In Natalie's backyard, because that's.

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Along that canal.

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Where there is.

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Gets wildland back in there, not.

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Much different than what burned.

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Across this week from St.

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At the public utility property, it's a lot of.

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Wild grasses and.

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Trees and such and.

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And I think about.

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You know what can happen there since it's.

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Not within the traditionally restricted zone.

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And is, you know, surrounded by neighbors on both sides.

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And.

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Including a neighbor.

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Puts on a fun firework.

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I hate to you know, but that's that's thing.

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It's the condition of those areas which are sprinkled throughout the city.

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That you don't.

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Know about necessarily, unless you live by them.

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And, and those would be the areas I'd be worried about the most.

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In a year that.

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We seem to be facing.

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If we were to make it.

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More like more restrictive like the.

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East of 13th East that we had done a few years ago.

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What would be the process?

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By which we would reevaluate that.

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So could we just have like somebody report come June and we could look at.

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At the more current weather or how, how do we how does that work?

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You come back at the request of your liaison. I could come back whenever you would like.

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I think June 1st would be a good target date in that time period whenever your council meeting lands.

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And I could revisit and give a current status of where we are.

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I could also tell you if we've had any red flag warning days. Again, that is the data.

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And that's I guess one good example.

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When we have consecutive red flag warning days where?

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We have that high risk of wildland fires.

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We do up staff, we do increase our ability to respond during those windows of time.

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And I guess I.

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Neglected to talk about that too during the windows of the fireworks season.

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We're always getting increase our staffing and the increase our capability.

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And ensure that our crews are ready to respond.

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So a lot of those fires that.

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Could become bigger.

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Were able to mitigate that and keep them very small.

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And be slightly.

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Leaning forward, I want to say aggressive, but it's not necessarily a.

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It's aggressive. We're taking an active approach in fire suppression.

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And that does kind of throw off the metrics because it's not an average day.

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Our crews are out.

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Fire prevention is out.

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Law enforcement.

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Heavy, yeah.

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So when there is.

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Something that happens, we get resources there really quick and we're prepared to respond to those.

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But.

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Back to the question, I'm more than happy to revisit and and talk about it.

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And how we interpret that?

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I've seen it both ways in my career. I've seen the restrictions open up.

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Or become more restrictive.

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And I've seen different things.

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How we approach it is definitely we want to make sure we're in line with the law, and I think this interpretation is a great way

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to approach it too.

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I guess my other question would be.

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Is June 1st the latest that we could revisit it? I guess I always just think like.

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Takes a few weeks for everything to dry out and there's no.

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June 1st is not the latest that I'm aware of. We.

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Bump into July.

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For sure, and see where we're at.

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Right. I know that the messaging, right. We want to be consistent with our messaging with our citizens.

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And that's definitely notable. And it can be a challenge if we.

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Call an audible right at the right at the line. So definitely a consideration. We want to be considerate.

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And I'd love to have some consensus. We will be doing some messaging.

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Through Salt Lake County and we'll also engage Emergency Management too in that message.

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To include our wildland division, we'll also be doing that. And all of this happens in May.

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I know. I wish it happened in April. At this point, I wish we had better.

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Information and messaging at this point but it's more of a may thing. But I understand the the challenges of getting this in by

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May 12.

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Thank you. You're welcome.

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I think.

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Just to be, you know, fair to the process, I think in the 2021 as I recall.

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You know, we initially had our standard map out, but then it was external information that came to us.

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The red flags came externally.

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Whereas in the opposite situation, if we take the path that Jamie suggests, where we.

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Assume a more restricted.

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Initial stance with the possibility of easing, well, no one from the outside is going to be.

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Externally coming to us unless we request it.

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Yeah. And so I think if we.

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I mean.

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Fortunately, we're.

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Hip deep in budget season.

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You know, uh.

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In June, but.

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I think if we assuming we go the.

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The approach that Jamie suggested.

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We'd want to also make sure we schedule a.

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Essentially a fairness.

510
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You know, even if it's a couple of minutes.

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To review the decision to make sure we're.

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Still good to go with it.

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In case we have them on soon, June.

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And Mayor, you could set that deadline in your adoption of the ordinance this evening as well. So if you wanted to revisit it.

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June 11th.

516
00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:02,300
That is direction you could provide in that ordinance.

517
00:26:02,540 --> 00:26:03,860
OK. And is that our?

518
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:06,020
A meeting date for us June 11th.

519
00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:07,980
OK, convenient.

520
00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:10,660
Can you tell me?

521
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,880
To what extent?

522
00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:18,720
Is the water levels in reservoirs and things like that relevant to water that's available for fighting a fire if it occurs? So is

523
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,380
that a concern? So avid fisherman, so I know where the water is.

524
00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:29,660
Water levels are currently right now where that artificial state of where they are currently meaning.

525
00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:31,740
We've kept a lot of them very full.

526
00:26:32,380 --> 00:26:36,060
Within the Wasatch Front, I've fished many of the lakes and I've been surprised at how full they are, even understanding that we

527
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:39,740
are currently in a drought.

528
00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:41,060
It doesn't mean.

529
00:26:41,740 --> 00:26:43,100
That that's necessarily.

530
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:45,060
Correlated to the fuel load.

531
00:26:45,460 --> 00:26:48,100
More than you need to know, but I'll go on about it.

532
00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:52,190
Firefighters view it in a few different ways, usually when we have a.

533
00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:53,820
Big downpour.

534
00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:55,460
Throughout the first quarter.

535
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:57,220
Water fuel links are going to be.

536
00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:02,420
Bigger and more robust later in the season, so the burn season pushes later in that year.

537
00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:03,820
Conversely.

538
00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:07,500
If you have the same if you have a lean year in the.

539
00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:08,700
The springtime.

540
00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:14,540
Your fuels are going to be drier earlier and you're going to have those flashy fuels, but they're not going to be as robust.

541
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:16,340
Both are challenging.

542
00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:19,060
So there's never sometimes we see big.

543
00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:21,940
Water years and everybody, so we're going to be fine.

544
00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:22,780
And then?

545
00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:25,620
Sometimes we're not fine, so there's a lot of.

546
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,670
Challenge and kind of anticipating how it's going to go and what it's going to be like.

547
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:36,900
Wind, weather obviously, and topography anytime you have a top.

548
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:38,460
Topographical change.

549
00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:45,060
Your challenges of fighting that fire become more arduous and more challenging, and the fire activity is more volatile.

550
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,700
So those are some considerations.

551
00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:48,660
I know.

552
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:54,180
One thing I love about holiday is how beautiful it is and how manicured it is, generally speaking.

553
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:58,310
And I think we're in a really good place within the community.

554
00:27:58,420 --> 00:28:00,420
Another thing people bring up a lot.

555
00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:03,460
That you have mature trees and there is a canopy.

556
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:11,790
The flashy fuels are more of my concern when we saw that fire in an adjacent community this last year.

557
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:15,420
It was splashy fuels, it was cheat grass. It was that.

558
00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:18,660
Unmanicured areas or less manicured areas?

559
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:23,270
There were the challenging component in how fast that fire moved through that area.

560
00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:25,060
To include a windy day with.

561
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:26,380
Very dry weather.

562
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,940
My question was really more about the availability of.

563
00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:31,740
To fight a fire if it occurs.

564
00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:34,140
We have, we have the availability.

565
00:28:34,410 --> 00:28:36,430
Oh girl. Yeah, definitely.

566
00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:41,100
Yeah, I'll leave it at that. Your municipal water supply is pretty.

567
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:43,940
Pretty impressive and we can navigate that.

568
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:49,180
There was a recent article in the Tribune talking about, I think it was Laura Briefer was quoted. I don't know if anybody else saw

569
00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:52,620
it.

570
00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:54,020
Saying that.

571
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:55,900
It is possible.

572
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:59,900
She wasn't saying that it would happen, but she didn't discount the.

573
00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:02,940
The possibility of.

574
00:29:03,220 --> 00:29:04,620
Water restrictions.

575
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,440
Now I know that a lot of people on holiday like their like you say that the mature trees and.

576
00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:13,700
And their green lawns. So what is going to happen?

577
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,980
To those trees and the lawns if.

578
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:20,470
There are watering restrictions and it all dries out.

579
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:21,700
What's that going to do to the?

580
00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:29,380
The fuel load increases the opportunity for fire anytime that relative even relative humidity in the in the ambient air.

581
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:33,340
Is lesser. You get to run into fire situations. It's going to be.

582
00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:37,900
More challenging during the fire season. Easier starts of ignition.

583
00:29:38,060 --> 00:29:40,220
Were ignition to two fuel.

584
00:29:40,540 --> 00:29:41,830
So you can see that.

585
00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:46,460
That is another consideration, and that's something we need to look at too.

586
00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:53,430
So generally speaking then.

587
00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:55,300
What's your evaluation of the?

588
00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:56,260
Of the fuel load.

589
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:59,260
Generally speaking, my evaluation is.

590
00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:02,780
Dry spring we're going to have early.

591
00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:04,580
Early starts this year.

592
00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:05,660
Meaning it.

593
00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:10,460
The fuels are going to be flashier. We're not going to have that dense fuel that we've normally had.

594
00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:12,220
Burn season is going to be earlier.

595
00:30:12,660 --> 00:30:13,940
We've already seen it.

596
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:16,750
Can it change?

597
00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:18,820
It very, very may will.

598
00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:25,700
Change. So that's something too that we're always experiencing even the weather recently, right the the cool.

599
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:30,260
Dropping when you walk outside, it's like, gosh, I thought springtime was here. It's not quite here.

600
00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:33,350
So I do think it's early, and I do.

601
00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:34,740
Would support.

602
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:40,660
An approach of maybe more conservative, more restrictive, and then maybe an option to open that up.

603
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:43,780
And we can work through it that way.

604
00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:47,980
And I can ensure that you'll have the most updated information.

605
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:51,700
And again, as other communities make.

606
00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:54,740
Decisions. I'll make sure you're aware of those decisions too.

607
00:30:55,950 --> 00:31:01,470
I think it makes sense to me what you're saying is it looks like given the way the fuel loads looking with with.

608
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:03,220
More earlier.

609
00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:07,340
Risks and we're in an earlier season to make this decision.

610
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:09,300
We should restrict it now.

611
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:13,420
And then revisit it later and just and see where we are if we need to make.

612
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:14,260
Adjustments. Umm.

613
00:31:14,540 --> 00:31:15,900
And it looks like.

614
00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:16,660
Legally.

615
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:19,300
The strongest position that we're in as well.

616
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,220
We can.

617
00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:26,780
If there are any other comments, please let's go ahead and make them.

618
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:28,860
If we're.

619
00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:30,020
If we're getting close.

620
00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:34,420
Then we're getting close to one of the motions.

621
00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:37,340
But I don't want to cut off any discussion. There's more that.

622
00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:40,180
More positions that want to be voiced.

623
00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:41,660
Or questions to be.

624
00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:46,620
Expressed well, maybe we need to because there's three options in our packet.

625
00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:47,740
1 is.

626
00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:53,140
The 2025 map 1 is the 2025 map that also includes Old Mill Golf.

627
00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:56,380
Course and park and ride in Mill Rock area and then one is.

628
00:31:56,820 --> 00:32:00,660
The east of 13th I guess where I'm coming from with this discussion is.

629
00:32:00,780 --> 00:32:01,300
Option A.

630
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:03,620
East of 13th East.

631
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:08,660
I would be very very uncomfortable with just keeping the 2025 map.

632
00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:10,220
As it was given.

633
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,900
Other situations. So I guess we probably want to clarify where we're.

634
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:16,310
Where we're leading on that, that's that's kind of where I'm leaving.

635
00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:19,180
Leading us with option A yeah. And I'm I'm suggesting that we can.

636
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:24,620
Proceed towards a motion for one of those options unless there's further discussion that.

637
00:32:25,180 --> 00:32:26,100
Anyone wants to?

638
00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:27,220
Engage in.

639
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,560
I'm seeing a bunch of no shakes. So Emily.

640
00:32:32,380 --> 00:32:33,900
Comfortable making a motion.

641
00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:36,380
All right, Motion.

642
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:39,910
Motion to approve resolution 2026, Dash.

643
00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:42,620
033.

644
00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:47,820
Adoption restriction on the use of fireworks within certain areas of the city.

645
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:49,620
I should say.

646
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:50,500
3A.

647
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:52,620
That am I saying that right?

648
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:53,260
OK.

649
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:56,530
2nd.

650
00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:59,420
OK, we have a motion and a second.

651
00:32:59,540 --> 00:33:01,860
Did we want to add to the motion or is it?

652
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:03,260
About the June 11th.

653
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:06,030
Thing. Would that be appropriate?

654
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,600
Should I add that in in my motion motion to adopt with a?

655
00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:14,580
Option to reevaluate on June 11th.

656
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:17,700
As previously.

657
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:19,180
Resecond the second.

658
00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:19,860
Sure, OK.

659
00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:23,100
All right, so we have an amended.

660
00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:25,340
Motion and a second.

661
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:27,990
Any discussion of the motion?

662
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,510
I think I just.

663
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:31,620
Think it's.

664
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:38,260
Historically dry year, I would rather be safe than sorry. I think if we could have the opportunity to go back and reevaluate it.

665
00:33:38,860 --> 00:33:41,320
That'll be at the appropriate decision, but until we have more information about what the summer is going to look like, I think

666
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,780
that.

667
00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:44,900
What makes sense?

668
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:48,580
Very good. So let's go ahead and take the vote. You're also welcome to make comment.

669
00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:50,980
With your vote as well, let's start with.

670
00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:52,340
Councilmember Gray.

671
00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:54,380
Councilmember Quinn.

672
00:33:54,540 --> 00:33:56,540
Yes, Councilmember Bradley. Yes.

673
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:57,780
Council Member Durham.

674
00:33:57,900 --> 00:33:59,780
Yes, Councilmember Sandwell.

675
00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:00,500
Yes.

676
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:02,100
And chair votes yes.

677
00:34:02,260 --> 00:34:03,420
OK, very good.

678
00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:05,220
Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

679
00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:09,620
All right.

680
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:16,910
Nice to have consensus on something we don't always historically have consensus on.

681
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,870
OK, I think we got a good path forward though.

682
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:22,180
All right, item number 5.

683
00:34:22,820 --> 00:34:26,660
Consideration of a resolution regarding donation agreement for Canuteson Park.

684
00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:28,180
Entrance sign.

685
00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:29,140
Is there a?

686
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,560
Staff.

687
00:34:31,340 --> 00:34:32,340
Commenting on that or.

688
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,070
Hello Council, before you tonight is an agreement.

689
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:41,140
Throughout with the Knudsen family.

690
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:46,220
They are willing to donate $18,000 for the installation of a sign at Canuteson Park.

691
00:34:46,620 --> 00:34:47,740
For some of you who are.

692
00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:52,900
Part of the original construction of Canuteson Park, this was actually a sign that was envisioned by the architect at the time.

693
00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:55,460
So we already had a concept in place.

694
00:34:55,820 --> 00:35:01,220
And we've been working with a vendor that we have a good relationship with. So this just outlined some basic provisions of.

695
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,060
What we're committing to and what the.

696
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:05,620
The families committing to.

697
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:07,660
I don't know if there's any questions even.

698
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:11,820
I think a couple months ago Gina brought the design to you so you could kind of see what it looks like.

699
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:14,220
Right now there's two monuments, the.

700
00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:18,710
At the opening of the park and there's just going to be an arch sign that goes between the two of them.

701
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:21,220
So any questions?

702
00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:23,110
All right. Thank you.

703
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,350
Are there any members of the Canadian family here tonight?

704
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,190
OK. Happy to take a motion unless there's no further discussion.

705
00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:35,590
Go ahead, go ahead.

706
00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:39,540
I move to approve resolution 2026-11.

707
00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:42,980
Approving a donation agreement for Knutson Park Antifa.

708
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:45,620
Entrance sign with the Knudsen family.

709
00:35:46,580 --> 00:35:47,020
2nd.

710
00:35:47,340 --> 00:35:48,860
OK, we have a motion and a second.

711
00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:50,860
Council Member Gray.

712
00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:52,820
Yes, Councilmember Quinn.

713
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:59,300
Yes, Councilmember Bradley. Yes. Councilmember Durham. Yes. Councilmember Sundwall. Yes. And chair votes yes. Thank you.

714
00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:01,260
OK, city management report.

715
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:02,020
Regina, thank you.

716
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:12,310
Good evening. I just have one small inquiry of the Council this evening.

717
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:17,780
The Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. The Downtown Chamber.

718
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:19,420
Has remained a.

719
00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:21,700
Pretty robust organization.

720
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:25,500
We've seen shrinkage and other chambers, including our own.

721
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:34,180
And that group offers leadership opportunities as well as economic development coordination opportunities.

722
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:41,780
But in order to access those opportunities, we need to be members of the Salt Lake Chamber.

723
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:44,060
Many of our.

724
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:51,270
Other cities, including Mill Creek and Murray, are are currently members of those of that chamber.

725
00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:55,700
There's a $1500 cost associated with that.

726
00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:01,860
To access, I think what I consider really robust leadership development training.

727
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:07,260
Would the council be comfortable if Holiday became a member of the Salt Lake?

728
00:37:07,340 --> 00:37:08,220
Chamber of Commerce.

729
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:09,900
Yes.

730
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:12,980
Gina question is.

731
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:18,030
Are those opportunities for the Council or is it for?

732
00:37:18,380 --> 00:37:20,060
Businesses and holiday.

733
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:21,580
Great question.

734
00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:23,820
The opportunity, the.

735
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:29,700
Primary opportunity that I'm considering would be an opportunity for staff and that would be senior staff.

736
00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:31,180
But.

737
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:35,380
There may be other opportunities for council members and that's just something that.

738
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:41,780
I haven't keyed into I can as if you're the councillor is comfortable, that's certainly something.

739
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:44,100
That I can better understand and share with you.

740
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:45,500
It's basically.

741
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:47,580
People in this building.

742
00:37:47,740 --> 00:37:48,620
Versus.

743
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:51,260
Businesses in the city.

744
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:54,260
Yes, although I think the.

745
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:58,740
For instance, the economic development coordination might end up assisting our businesses as well. So it would be a trickle down

746
00:37:58,740 --> 00:38:02,580
OK.

747
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:04,140
Thank you. Are there?

748
00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:07,340
Different categories of memberships because they're like a municipal.

749
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,820
I believe there are and I think we are getting the.

750
00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:15,220
Very the most economical, yeah.

751
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:18,670
Yeah, I'm comfortable with that.

752
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:21,870
All right. Thank you. Yeah, I'd say.

753
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:23,460
But if you're comfortable.

754
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:24,540
Your call.

755
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:27,780
Great. Anything else for me?

756
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Just there's. This seems to be an.

757
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:37,305
A on one of the agenda versions as communication and newsletter options under your City manager report or bring something else

758
00:38:37,305 --> 00:38:43,110
with that. That is an item that I had intended to speak of about.

759
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:44,740
In the work session.

760
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:47,700
I think we're going to delay it until.

761
00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:52,020
To our budget conversations, just in the interest of getting the budget.

762
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:52,700
Balanced.

763
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:55,470
Ready. OK. Thank you.

764
00:38:55,740 --> 00:38:58,260
Let's proceed to council report.

765
00:38:58,340 --> 00:39:01,020
Issues. Let's stick with our order and Councilman Gray.

766
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:06,540
Just a couple of things. Next week, representing Holiday on the Central Wasatch Commission, I have the opportunity to chair the

767
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:11,180
Small Projects Committee.

768
00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:13,300
That disperses grants.

769
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,900
For different projects throughout the Central Wasatch.

770
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:20,580
Anybody here has interest in sharing thoughts about?

771
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,860
Projects that they would want to support. Welcome to come talk to me about that.

772
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:28,520
UH Cottonwood High School is having a community cleanup event in partnership with Fidelity Investments on Saturday from 9:00 to

773
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,460
noon.

774
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:37,620
Expect between 100 and 150 volunteers there to do some.

775
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:40,580
Cleanup of the grounds.

776
00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:42,380
And then last.

777
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:45,740
From Wasatch Front Waste and Recycling, we have our dates.

778
00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:48,420
For when holiday will be.

779
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:50,860
Scheduled to reserve.

780
00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:52,710
Dumpsters for this year.

781
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:56,565
Depending on where you are in holiday, it's going to be later. We kind of rotate with different municipalities each year. So it's

782
00:39:56,565 --> 00:39:59,670
going to be.

783
00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:01,180
In September.

784
00:40:01,540 --> 00:40:04,980
Between the 2nd and the 25th depending on where you are in the city.

785
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:06,740
Reservations will begin.

786
00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:07,980
July 16th.

787
00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:13,350
They'll start at 8:00 in the morning instead of at midnight, so you don't have to set your alarm, which would be helpful.

788
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:19,300
Umm, exciting news we're really grateful for is we have a 25% increase increase.

789
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:21,710
In the number of containers.

790
00:40:21,860 --> 00:40:25,860
Available every day, so we're hoping to meet a lot of more people's needs.

791
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:28,700
We also were going to have additional.

792
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:30,980
Bulky waste drop off sites.

793
00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:33,660
That you can schedule at Holiday Lions.

794
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:35,830
So if you still are not able to get.

795
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:39,660
Container reservation.

796
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,740
September 15th to the 17th, there's going to be a.

797
00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:48,540
Some dumpsters available at holiday lines to drop stuff off, so we have a lot of options for.

798
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:50,810
People in our community to.

799
00:40:51,010 --> 00:40:52,090
Get rid of all of our stuff.

800
00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:53,050
That's it.

801
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:54,780
Thanks.

802
00:40:56,130 --> 00:40:56,850
Thank you.

803
00:40:58,010 --> 00:41:01,370
I attended Morningside's community council meeting. They have some.

804
00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:05,730
Concerns, but those are with the district. It's just nice to see.

805
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:08,610
How the Community Council process works.

806
00:41:09,010 --> 00:41:14,220
And how parents and teachers can be involved in that process.

807
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:16,460
I also was.

808
00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:22,020
Privileged to be at the ribbon cutting of the French Bakehouse this morning.

809
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,180
And very impressed with.

810
00:41:25,450 --> 00:41:31,690
Mayor Fotheringham's French accent. Wow, where did you learn that anyway? Google Translate this morning.

811
00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:35,330
Otherwise I don't speak French at all. Yeah, anyway.

812
00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:37,050
So we.

813
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:38,250
Really appreciate.

814
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:40,250
Our small businesses and.

815
00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:41,450
And how they're growing.

816
00:41:41,570 --> 00:41:42,450
And that's it.

817
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:43,690
OK. Thank you.

818
00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:44,660
Councilmember Bradley.

819
00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:50,060
I can also attest Mayor Fotheringham's accent this morning was.

820
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:51,210
Quite incredible.

821
00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:58,090
It was great. We are taking applications right now for the Holiday City Youth Council.

822
00:41:58,290 --> 00:42:00,260
If you know of anyone.

823
00:42:00,690 --> 00:42:05,090
That will be in 9th to 12th grade next year that lives in holiday.

824
00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:08,290
Please encourage them to apply we.

825
00:42:08,370 --> 00:42:11,490
Would love to see a full and robust youth council.

826
00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:13,290
Again for the next school year.

827
00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:16,130
So if you have any questions, talk to me or Stephanie.

828
00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:21,210
I've been talking about this for a while, but this?

829
00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:25,530
Friday is the day, it's Harbor Day and there will be a tree planting at the Waldorf.

830
00:42:25,690 --> 00:42:27,010
Wasatch School.

831
00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:30,850
Our tree committee has been really involved in working closely with.

832
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:36,850
The school there, we have one of our great Tree committee volunteers in the audience with us here tonight, which is great.

833
00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:40,930
And then the other thing I was going to mention is that Council member.

834
00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:43,130
Quinn and I are going to be attending a.

835
00:42:43,770 --> 00:42:45,410
Emergency preparedness.

836
00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:48,610
Meeting on Friday, tomorrow evening.

837
00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:51,770
I think Alison Jester will also be there.

838
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:55,370
But that it encompasses a lot of the areas in our city and.

839
00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:57,050
Should be a good event.

840
00:42:58,860 --> 00:43:01,700
OK, I don't have anything at this time.

841
00:43:02,050 --> 00:43:06,850
OK, yeah, French Bakehouse was fun. It was a great a great event this morning.

842
00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:09,570
I've already forgotten how to say what I said so.

843
00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:12,610
I was listening to it like.

844
00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:15,290
Within 5 minutes I've already lost it.

845
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:19,860
Also that this week I was able to attend the UPD.

846
00:43:20,330 --> 00:43:22,730
Award ceremony at the Murray Armory.

847
00:43:22,850 --> 00:43:24,730
And our detective.

848
00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:27,090
Eastern Story won.

849
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:30,330
Almost every award that was possible for him to win.

850
00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:31,330
So, umm.

851
00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:34,330
And no one else I think came close to his count.

852
00:43:34,810 --> 00:43:36,930
So we really have some stars.

853
00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:39,130
In our precinct and.

854
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:42,170
Anyway, the event itself was.

855
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:44,610
Was very impressive the.

856
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:47,570
Both UPD and UFA both.

857
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:50,610
When they when I go to these awards ceremonies and their.

858
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:52,410
Promotion ceremonies there's.

859
00:43:52,530 --> 00:43:54,130
Such a strong culture.

860
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:57,850
With these organizations that speak so highly of the leadership.

861
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:59,890
Of these organizations.

862
00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:02,890
Where they pay attention to the importance of.

863
00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:03,890
Culture.

864
00:44:04,290 --> 00:44:06,770
And and teamwork and.

865
00:44:07,410 --> 00:44:11,210
And and being on the governing board, I also.

866
00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:12,330
Appreciate.

867
00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:14,420
The ability that we have.

868
00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:15,490
In our city.

869
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:17,890
In our neighboring cities to provide.

870
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:19,410
Governing input.

871
00:44:19,810 --> 00:44:24,210
But that relationship also creates a strong sense of customer service.

872
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:26,810
From these organizations to the communities they serve.

873
00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:28,810
Which I think is unique.

874
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:35,410
And well, I think we really enjoy the benefits of that in so many ways and.

875
00:44:35,530 --> 00:44:36,010
And.

876
00:44:36,930 --> 00:44:41,250
Anyway, so congratulations to Detective Story and the other awardees from Holiday.

877
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:44,410
And Speaking of awards.

878
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:48,910
Ufas awards dinner is also tomorrow night. I'm apologizing. I'm leaving town tomorrow morning so I won't be able to hit the Arbor

879
00:44:48,910 --> 00:44:52,770
Day thing or the.

880
00:44:53,090 --> 00:44:56,130
Emergency preparedness thing or the UFA awards but.

881
00:44:58,370 --> 00:45:01,090
Chief Dan, are you going to the awards thing tomorrow night or?

882
00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:06,580
Sorry about that.

883
00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:07,890
I am going fun so.

884
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:12,790
OK. So anyway, anyway, thanks to our UFA and up partners, we really appreciate your service. And of course, we'll be hearing from

885
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:16,410
UPD.

886
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:18,170
A little bit later in the.

887
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:19,010
Program.

888
00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:20,690
OK, that's all I have.

889
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:24,130
So we can go ahead and we'll take a motion to.

890
00:45:24,250 --> 00:45:26,010
Recess and reconvene, as it were.

891
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:33,060
Move to recess City Council and reconvene in a work meeting.

892
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:33,730
2nd.

893
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:34,530
All in favor.

894
00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:36,210
Aye, any opposed?

895
00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:38,970
Does anybody need to take a break or do we get to?

896
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:42,580
All right, do you need to change the recording?

897
00:45:43,350 --> 00:45:44,060
We're good to go.

898
00:45:44,530 --> 00:45:46,250
All right, MHTN.

899
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:47,850
You are up.

900
00:45:58,300 --> 00:45:58,460
OK.

901
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:02,660
City Council.

902
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:05,060
Good to be back in front of you again.

903
00:46:06,290 --> 00:46:11,620
We'll hopefully have a good discussion here. Feel free to interrupt us at any time with questions.

904
00:46:11,970 --> 00:46:14,930
Anything that you need to answer, we will attempt to do so.

905
00:46:15,490 --> 00:46:18,690
So this is for the spring laying adaptive reuse plan.

906
00:46:19,050 --> 00:46:20,170
The bridging document.

907
00:46:20,290 --> 00:46:21,170
Portion of this.

908
00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:25,850
And I don't know is there a Clipper to advance the screen or did I just?

909
00:46:25,930 --> 00:46:26,610
Go to the next.

910
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,800
OK. I'll just go next, next slide then.

911
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:34,490
So for today, we're just going to have a brief overview where we.

912
00:46:34,610 --> 00:46:36,210
Overview of the schedule.

913
00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:38,410
We're going to have a review of a dog.

914
00:46:38,650 --> 00:46:40,370
Dog park tour #2.

915
00:46:40,610 --> 00:46:43,010
And then we're going to talk about the community engagement.

916
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:45,170
That we held just over a week ago.

917
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:48,290
And then talk about next steps moving forward.

918
00:46:49,450 --> 00:46:51,130
So for the schedule overview.

919
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:53,770
Up to this point, we have completed.

920
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:55,090
Two dog tours.

921
00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:57,570
Park or two dog park tours.

922
00:46:58,250 --> 00:47:01,130
We've hosted a community engagement event.

923
00:47:01,450 --> 00:47:03,810
An open house again just over a week ago.

924
00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:04,810
And then we.

925
00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:07,370
We've also completed the community survey.

926
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:09,170
Which we'll also review here.

927
00:47:09,490 --> 00:47:10,890
So in progress.

928
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:13,890
Is we're going to have a summary of that survey.

929
00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:15,850
We're going to finalize.

930
00:47:16,050 --> 00:47:17,050
You know the program will.

931
00:47:17,530 --> 00:47:18,130
Hopefully.

932
00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:20,890
Finalized program locations within the park.

933
00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:26,290
And then upcoming will have an updated cost estimate, updated schematic plan.

934
00:47:26,370 --> 00:47:28,730
And then the final bridging documents.

935
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:31,890
And we'll talk about that when we get to next steps.

936
00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:36,330
I'm going to turn it over to Tate here to discuss Dog park tour #2.

937
00:47:38,810 --> 00:47:39,810
Yeah, Thanks, Vince.

938
00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:40,650
Appreciate that.

939
00:47:41,730 --> 00:47:45,690
So like was mentioned before, we finished up our second round of a dog park tour. Our first round was in Bountiful at the

940
00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:49,650
Brickyard Park Park.

941
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:54,650
This time we had the opportunity to go to the Mill Race Dog Park.

942
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:57,290
In Taylorsville, where we met with.

943
00:47:57,930 --> 00:48:01,210
Joey Bona, who is the facilities manager at Taylorsville.

944
00:48:01,690 --> 00:48:04,660
And he gave us some great insight.

945
00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:06,410
So while we were.

946
00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:09,450
Looking at that and reviewing.

947
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:12,930
Some of your comments, some of the comments from the previous tour.

948
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:16,670
We noticed a few things that were similar, a few things that were different that we thought were worth noting. First and foremost,

949
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:20,210
I think we all noticed that.

950
00:48:20,570 --> 00:48:24,090
Both were very popular within their respective communities.

951
00:48:24,850 --> 00:48:26,450
We saw many people.

952
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:29,570
Arriving or we're already there by the time that we arrived.

953
00:48:29,970 --> 00:48:31,210
Very, very popular.

954
00:48:32,090 --> 00:48:34,050
Despite some of their differences.

955
00:48:34,570 --> 00:48:37,170
In terms of size and access and things like that.

956
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:43,530
They also both had learned the lesson not to fight the the grass, which I think is a lesson learned for us as well.

957
00:48:44,530 --> 00:48:46,210
Both had opted for.

958
00:48:46,610 --> 00:48:50,130
More of a bark mulch option, which I think is a great lesson.

959
00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:53,010
That we don't need to learn ourselves, we can learn from others.

960
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:57,730
Well, let me let me interrupt. Is there also some value in having the?

961
00:48:58,130 --> 00:49:00,130
Community learned that lesson with you.

962
00:49:01,310 --> 00:49:01,940
Probably.

963
00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:06,660
So meaning necessarily starting out with the grass because if we go.

964
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:08,010
Pull that trigger too soon.

965
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,040
When I get to Why do you keep the grass?

966
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:16,930
For sure, our community may want to experience that lesson with us, as long as we're prepared to pivot.

967
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:18,610
When the time is right.

968
00:49:18,690 --> 00:49:20,770
Totally, I think. I think there are.

969
00:49:20,810 --> 00:49:21,980
You know, that's something that.

970
00:49:22,210 --> 00:49:23,210
You guys will have to weigh.

971
00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:24,970
When that decisions made of.

972
00:49:25,090 --> 00:49:28,690
Is that something you know? We want to experience that growing pain with the community.

973
00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:30,170
There's maybe some.

974
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:32,730
Budget that comes along with that in terms of.

975
00:49:32,850 --> 00:49:38,170
You know originally installing some irrigation in that grass and then if you do want to convert it.

976
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:40,930
There's conversion costs, things like that, so.

977
00:49:41,050 --> 00:49:43,570
Few things to consider there if we if we do want to go that route.

978
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:47,050
Some of the things that we noticed that were.

979
00:49:47,410 --> 00:49:55,130
That were unique to Mill Race or different in comparison to the Bountiful Park. First and foremost was that it was much larger.

980
00:49:55,850 --> 00:50:01,490
I think in terms of area, the mill race was almost exactly double of what the Bark Park was.

981
00:50:02,330 --> 00:50:09,130
And is currently triple of what we were originally showing in the 2024 master plan or holding for our dog park.

982
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:11,410
So so good size larger.

983
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:14,130
So what was the size of Bountiful and in Taylorsville?

984
00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:15,890
Bountiful was.

985
00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:21,130
Just under .9 acres. Taylorsville was 1.7, a little over 1.7 checkers.

986
00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:24,500
I am so.

987
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:29,170
Much larger. This is the largest site that we had visited and with that size they had the opportunity to do a few kind of extra

988
00:50:29,170 --> 00:50:33,450
things that maybe.

989
00:50:33,570 --> 00:50:36,690
Will be a little bit more challenging for us. They had some some fun.

990
00:50:36,810 --> 00:50:40,090
Program elements, hills and tunnels and things like that.

991
00:50:41,090 --> 00:50:43,970
That you know with with more space you can do.

992
00:50:44,090 --> 00:50:45,330
Some things like that.

993
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:51,140
One thing that I think was very popular with our group as well as the people that we saw using the park.

994
00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:53,370
Wasn't that interior walking path?

995
00:50:54,050 --> 00:50:57,100
Within that dog park, it seemed to be very, very popular.

996
00:50:57,370 --> 00:50:58,490
With umm.

997
00:50:59,130 --> 00:51:01,770
You know, creating that mobility for not only.

998
00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:05,330
It acting as a recreation spot for the dogs themselves, but.

999
00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:09,210
Allowing the the residents to come in and get some active recreation.

1000
00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:10,690
In the at the same time.

1001
00:51:11,410 --> 00:51:12,410
So I thought that was.

1002
00:51:12,490 --> 00:51:13,330
That was a great.

1003
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:15,290
Ad for them.

1004
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:19,410
And that was, you know, something that that we heard back from, from you guys as well.

1005
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:21,450
So we'll be looking into that certainly.

1006
00:51:22,090 --> 00:51:25,130
A couple other things that were unique, specifically that.

1007
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:26,580
The permitting system.

1008
00:51:26,690 --> 00:51:29,730
That they have at Mill Race, just as a reminder.

1009
00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:37,450
The The Mill Race Park itself is free for for anyone to use but the access to to the dog park facility.

1010
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:39,370
Does require a permit.

1011
00:51:40,050 --> 00:51:45,810
So that is available online for residents of Taylorsville. It is $10 currently for a year.

1012
00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:48,490
And for non residents, it's also available.

1013
00:51:48,610 --> 00:51:49,730
$25.

1014
00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:51,370
For that year.

1015
00:51:51,450 --> 00:51:55,770
And that's largely to help offset some of the maintenance costs associated with.

1016
00:51:56,450 --> 00:52:01,610
Running the dog park, replacing some of the doggy bags, bark refreshes, things like that.

1017
00:52:02,650 --> 00:52:05,250
So that's the system that they've adopted.

1018
00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:08,490
We thought it was interesting, maybe something worth considering.

1019
00:52:09,090 --> 00:52:09,970
With that.

1020
00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:11,730
When you're considering.

1021
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:13,170
There are other.

1022
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:18,730
Elements to that of OK, how is that police? What systems are they running to track that?

1023
00:52:19,690 --> 00:52:22,380
Does that potentially encourage people?

1024
00:52:22,690 --> 00:52:24,650
To not use the dog park.

1025
00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:25,970
And use.

1026
00:52:26,090 --> 00:52:27,490
The rest of the park as in.

1027
00:52:28,050 --> 00:52:29,370
Quote UN quote dog park.

1028
00:52:29,410 --> 00:52:31,060
Even though that's not what you want, right?

1029
00:52:31,450 --> 00:52:32,770
Just something to consider.

1030
00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:35,690
If we do want to look at that approach.

1031
00:52:37,050 --> 00:52:39,450
And then when speaking with maintenance, that was one thing that.

1032
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:42,810
That we noticed that was very different between the two dog parks.

1033
00:52:43,610 --> 00:52:45,610
In Bountiful if you recall.

1034
00:52:45,690 --> 00:52:48,850
They really were struggling with some of their maintenance. They.

1035
00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:53,650
They saw a significant increase in costs. They were spending a lot of time there, I think almost daily.

1036
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:57,980
And they had at least one person from their Parks and Rec team on that site.

1037
00:52:58,250 --> 00:53:02,010
Whereas when we spoke with the facilities manager and crew.

1038
00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:03,890
For Taylorsville.

1039
00:53:04,330 --> 00:53:06,170
They really didn't see a.

1040
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:10,690
Too big of a change between managing the dog park and the rest of that park.

1041
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:12,690
There was some.

1042
00:53:12,810 --> 00:53:17,490
You know, unique things like changing the doggy bags and stuff, but in terms of effort and labor.

1043
00:53:17,850 --> 00:53:18,850
It was largely the same.

1044
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:21,570
From their opinion so.

1045
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:25,730
Some some conflicting comments from two different municipalities that will want to.

1046
00:53:25,810 --> 00:53:29,090
You know, think about and consider as we move forward with ours.

1047
00:53:29,330 --> 00:53:30,130
Our decision.

1048
00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:33,660
One thing that we noticed that was.

1049
00:53:33,850 --> 00:53:35,170
Really well done from.

1050
00:53:35,290 --> 00:53:35,970
Both uh.

1051
00:53:36,210 --> 00:53:39,130
Dog parks was the vehicular access.

1052
00:53:40,330 --> 00:53:42,610
To the park itself. The dog park itself.

1053
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:49,370
I think in both situations you could park your car and with a MET within a matter of feet you could access that dog park.

1054
00:53:49,730 --> 00:53:51,180
So this is great for.

1055
00:53:51,450 --> 00:53:53,700
Residents who are wanting to.

1056
00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:55,130
Immediately.

1057
00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:55,890
You know.

1058
00:53:56,490 --> 00:53:59,815
Get into that dog park with their dog. They're only coming to our site for that dog park. They don't need to trek through the

1059
00:53:59,815 --> 00:54:03,140
site.

1060
00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:05,250
In order to access it.

1061
00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:10,540
So in that sense, I think that's a great positive that both sites had going for them.

1062
00:54:10,810 --> 00:54:13,980
I think 1 maybe caveat to consider with that.

1063
00:54:14,650 --> 00:54:15,530
Is.

1064
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:19,010
With better vehicle access does that.

1065
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:20,730
Increase our regionality.

1066
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:25,250
Of that dog park, are more people going to be driving in if it's easier access?

1067
00:54:25,650 --> 00:54:27,450
So something to consider there, I know that.

1068
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:32,370
The ultimate goal for this, while everybody is welcome, we do want to kind of keep it at a neighborhood scale.

1069
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:37,290
So just something to think about that that may increase that regionality.

1070
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:41,690
Whereas you know the neighborhood itself who are coming to use the dog bark.

1071
00:54:42,010 --> 00:54:44,570
Maybe walking their dog to the park directly anyway.

1072
00:54:45,610 --> 00:54:49,970
So in anticipation of potentially looking at shifting the dog park.

1073
00:54:50,090 --> 00:54:52,050
Over for better vehicle access.

1074
00:54:52,170 --> 00:54:53,370
We started prepping.

1075
00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:54,770
A few different.

1076
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:56,970
Diagram options.

1077
00:54:57,490 --> 00:54:58,930
That we wanted to present.

1078
00:54:59,090 --> 00:55:00,930
To the community.

1079
00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:03,290
Open house that we had.

1080
00:55:03,690 --> 00:55:07,690
And so we'll go ahead and transition back to Vince and he can talk a little bit about those options.

1081
00:55:11,590 --> 00:55:12,780
All right, so.

1082
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:16,650
Again, we held this on the 15th, so again just over a week ago.

1083
00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:17,930
We presented.

1084
00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:21,130
To the and this is also part of the survey.

1085
00:55:21,330 --> 00:55:24,970
We presented to them three options, but we also let them.

1086
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:29,010
Move the pieces around and to see what they came up with so.

1087
00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:31,210
For what we're talking about here is this was our.

1088
00:55:31,410 --> 00:55:33,370
Our survey site, option one.

1089
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:35,050
Basically.

1090
00:55:35,410 --> 00:55:37,500
Compared to the original.

1091
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:39,650
One that we had done previously.

1092
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:41,250
We lost some parking.

1093
00:55:41,490 --> 00:55:45,810
And you can see that with the dog park here is pushed over to the northeast corner.

1094
00:55:45,930 --> 00:55:49,610
An educational garden over on the southeast. I'll call it Corner.

1095
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:51,050
Outside of the parking.

1096
00:55:51,130 --> 00:55:52,850
Pickleball courts in the middle.

1097
00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:55,530
Playground with two multi-purpose fields.

1098
00:55:56,850 --> 00:55:58,650
Pretty much everything here is.

1099
00:55:58,810 --> 00:56:00,690
The rest of it is consistent with the.

1100
00:56:00,770 --> 00:56:02,330
2024 Master Plan.

1101
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:04,940
So an option 2.

1102
00:56:05,370 --> 00:56:09,050
Things shift a little bit again. The dog park shifted over to the.

1103
00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:11,810
This northwest corner.

1104
00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:15,730
And the the planted area went over to the northeast corner.

1105
00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:18,410
For the most part, everything else.

1106
00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:19,610
Stays the same.

1107
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:21,850
The pickleball.

1108
00:56:22,050 --> 00:56:25,570
The Plaza, the pavilion shift ever so slightly.

1109
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:27,610
And that was survey option #2.

1110
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:29,900
Option #3.

1111
00:56:30,930 --> 00:56:36,290
This eliminates basically what we were calling the garden area.

1112
00:56:37,090 --> 00:56:39,290
The dog park is still over up on that.

1113
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:39,930
Northwest.

1114
00:56:41,570 --> 00:56:42,090
Corner.

1115
00:56:43,210 --> 00:56:46,610
And the pickleball shifted down behind this entry Plaza.

1116
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:53,490
And then the playground shifts over and takes up a more of a portion over on the the northeast side of it.

1117
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:56,850
And the multi-purpose field state in the same.

1118
00:56:58,930 --> 00:57:01,890
And again, that shift at the dog park was for, you know.

1119
00:57:02,010 --> 00:57:03,210
Better access.

1120
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:05,370
From the parking lot straight to the dog park.

1121
00:57:06,820 --> 00:57:07,780
So in our.

1122
00:57:08,330 --> 00:57:13,250
Our next slide here. This is just some pictures. We had over 50 attendees.

1123
00:57:14,330 --> 00:57:15,930
Which is impressive.

1124
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:18,610
And again you can see.

1125
00:57:18,690 --> 00:57:22,610
They a lot of them were having really good discussions and interactions with each other.

1126
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,300
And if we go to the next slide here.

1127
00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:31,490
These are we took pictures of some of the options that they came up. This is like 4 out of I think 8.

1128
00:57:31,610 --> 00:57:33,850
Pictures that we took of different things.

1129
00:57:34,330 --> 00:57:38,610
You'll notice in in at least one of the options, the dog park disappears completely.

1130
00:57:39,050 --> 00:57:43,020
From that and we'll get to some of our observations that were there.

1131
00:57:43,530 --> 00:57:46,130
Playgrounds shifted different places.

1132
00:57:46,330 --> 00:57:50,450
In all of them, it was fairly consistent that the play fields themselves.

1133
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:52,530
Remained on that South side.

1134
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,360
And there was one option where the dog parked.

1135
00:57:57,730 --> 00:58:04,250
Like at least doubled in size. It's not shown here, but they had a whole at least quarter of the part taken up with the dog park.

1136
00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:07,410
So some observations that we had.

1137
00:58:07,850 --> 00:58:10,050
These are concerns that they were raising.

1138
00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:13,330
1st is to consider the noise and lighting impacts.

1139
00:58:13,810 --> 00:58:16,890
Particularly on the, you know, the neighbors that are around there.

1140
00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:18,170
That was a big one.

1141
00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:21,370
Again, pickleball noise and noise from the dog park.

1142
00:58:21,570 --> 00:58:24,290
Primary concerns that they had.

1143
00:58:25,450 --> 00:58:28,610
They also said we'd be mindful of the dog park size and.

1144
00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:30,420
Placement on the site.

1145
00:58:31,010 --> 00:58:34,610
Again, some of the residents wanted a much larger dog park.

1146
00:58:34,850 --> 00:58:35,690
And others.

1147
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:38,370
Wanted a smaller dog park?

1148
00:58:38,770 --> 00:58:41,250
When when they were requesting mindfulness.

1149
00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:47,690
Of the placement of the dog park were the concerns about noise, primarily noise and then people.

1150
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:49,010
I know particularly.

1151
00:58:49,410 --> 00:58:51,210
There was at least one lady on the.

1152
00:58:51,290 --> 00:58:55,930
East side that have concerns because it was right up against our property but most of its noise and then.

1153
00:58:56,170 --> 00:58:57,570
Introducing more people.

1154
00:58:57,930 --> 00:58:58,210
OK.

1155
00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:00,210
So I'll call IT security.

1156
00:59:00,410 --> 00:59:05,310
So was there any concern as far as like having the dog park next to like the playground and having dogs and kids interact with

1157
00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:10,210
nobody? Seemed that wasn't a concern. That wasn't necessarily a concern, OK.

1158
00:59:10,570 --> 00:59:11,170
So.

1159
00:59:11,770 --> 00:59:13,730
Can you explain to me what lighting?

1160
00:59:13,810 --> 00:59:18,315
Are we planning on? At the moment we are not necessarily planning any lighting. There may be some lighting that's required maybe

1161
00:59:18,315 --> 00:59:22,820
for security reasons.

1162
00:59:23,050 --> 00:59:25,250
But we're not playing the light pickleball court.

1163
00:59:25,490 --> 00:59:27,330
Until 10, No, no, no, no.

1164
00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:28,090
There's no.

1165
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:30,810
There's no plan to light the pickleball works at all.

1166
00:59:30,930 --> 00:59:31,810
All right. Thank you.

1167
00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:34,450
So unless somebody shows up and.

1168
00:59:34,610 --> 00:59:36,890
You know, plays in the headlights of a car.

1169
00:59:37,090 --> 00:59:38,780
That I don't think that's going to happen.

1170
00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:42,500
With regards to the doc.

1171
00:59:42,570 --> 00:59:45,330
Park and the pickleball courts. There was more of a.

1172
00:59:45,450 --> 00:59:47,820
Preference to be the Central North.

1173
00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:49,530
Portion of that park.

1174
00:59:49,610 --> 00:59:50,210
And again.

1175
00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:51,810
That moves the pickleball.

1176
00:59:52,850 --> 00:59:53,730
Away from.

1177
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:55,580
The majority of the neighbors.

1178
00:59:56,010 --> 00:59:56,770
And again.

1179
00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:59,170
Pickleball noise is loud and it can be heard.

1180
00:59:59,370 --> 01:00:00,570
For quite a distance.

1181
01:00:01,050 --> 01:00:01,650
So.

1182
01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:06,090
Other comments that came out of is is again shade.

1183
01:00:06,410 --> 01:00:08,810
Seating other type amenities.

1184
01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:11,290
The most people want.

1185
01:00:12,010 --> 01:00:13,090
When it came to the.

1186
01:00:13,170 --> 01:00:14,330
The dog park.

1187
01:00:14,970 --> 01:00:16,010
Signage.

1188
01:00:17,020 --> 01:00:22,420
Making sure that any rules that were posted were clear of what was expected, what was allowed.

1189
01:00:22,610 --> 01:00:24,130
And then also for parking.

1190
01:00:24,970 --> 01:00:28,650
And then the other thing that came out again was to create landscape buffers.

1191
01:00:28,730 --> 01:00:31,370
And trails to help separate some of the uses.

1192
01:00:32,090 --> 01:00:34,530
And those are the main comments that we heard.

1193
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:42,380
All right, I'm going to turn it over to Emily because this next here refers back to the survey.

1194
01:00:42,490 --> 01:00:44,410
And she is our survey expert.

1195
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,540
Before diving into this survey, I wanted to.

1196
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:56,370
Sure, a little bit about the process.

1197
01:00:57,450 --> 01:01:01,090
Just wanted to share that there are multiple ways for people to provide feedback.

1198
01:01:01,450 --> 01:01:03,370
So one being this online survey.

1199
01:01:04,090 --> 01:01:05,050
Another one being.

1200
01:01:05,130 --> 01:01:06,130
The open house.

1201
01:01:06,250 --> 01:01:11,380
There are also paper surveys at the open house as well if people wanted to participate in that way.

1202
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:13,690
And we also received several.

1203
01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:17,610
Comments over e-mail that were forwarded to us.

1204
01:01:17,810 --> 01:01:20,290
So I just wanted to to make note of that and.

1205
01:01:21,370 --> 01:01:23,730
You know, we recognize that there's lots of strong feelings.

1206
01:01:23,810 --> 01:01:25,530
Especially related to the dog park.

1207
01:01:25,650 --> 01:01:29,530
And the pickleball courts just wanted to make sure that all those.

1208
01:01:29,610 --> 01:01:30,770
Comments were captured.

1209
01:01:30,930 --> 01:01:32,170
Will be documented and.

1210
01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:33,490
In the plan.

1211
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:36,980
And considered in the design process moving forward.

1212
01:01:37,090 --> 01:01:39,650
Forward SO.

1213
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:41,940
Regarding the survey.

1214
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:46,410
The the number you see here the 203 responses.

1215
01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:47,930
That was as of.

1216
01:01:48,370 --> 01:01:49,570
April 17th.

1217
01:01:50,290 --> 01:01:52,690
When this was exported.

1218
01:01:52,850 --> 01:01:54,850
So just as a follow up to that.

1219
01:01:55,650 --> 01:01:59,690
And incorporating the paper surveys, we're at 232.

1220
01:02:00,050 --> 01:02:01,290
Survey responses.

1221
01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:05,570
So special things to Lena and team for sharing it out with the community and.

1222
01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:07,850
And getting people out, too.

1223
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:08,890
Participate in this.

1224
01:02:11,070 --> 01:02:13,670
So this question here.

1225
01:02:14,290 --> 01:02:15,250
People got to.

1226
01:02:16,570 --> 01:02:19,050
Share what options they preferred.

1227
01:02:21,010 --> 01:02:22,330
So as you can see the.

1228
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:24,490
The rankings were kind of spread.

1229
01:02:24,570 --> 01:02:25,570
Pretty evenly with.

1230
01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:27,970
A slight preference for option 2.

1231
01:02:28,850 --> 01:02:29,730
Just wanted to.

1232
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:32,570
Make note that you know the options were.

1233
01:02:32,730 --> 01:02:35,330
Were shared to the community as a.

1234
01:02:35,810 --> 01:02:38,210
A way to understand some of these nuanced.

1235
01:02:38,410 --> 01:02:41,170
Preferences. So you do have situations where.

1236
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:44,090
People voted for an option, but then in the open.

1237
01:02:44,370 --> 01:02:46,490
Response section would share.

1238
01:02:46,770 --> 01:02:47,570
I liked this.

1239
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:48,570
But I would.

1240
01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:50,730
Want to change this as part of option.

1241
01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:52,090
You know, 1-2 or three.

1242
01:02:52,410 --> 01:02:53,530
So I just wanted to.

1243
01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:55,810
Provide that context.

1244
01:02:59,070 --> 01:02:59,820
Let's see here.

1245
01:03:01,020 --> 01:03:02,460
One more thank you.

1246
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:08,010
And then people are also able to share how important.

1247
01:03:08,090 --> 01:03:09,810
Of the different elements were.

1248
01:03:11,170 --> 01:03:12,250
And on the site.

1249
01:03:12,850 --> 01:03:14,970
So the top ones being.

1250
01:03:15,730 --> 01:03:18,290
The all ages and abilities playground.

1251
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:20,130
Plaza Pavilion.

1252
01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:21,330
Restrooms.

1253
01:03:21,850 --> 01:03:23,890
The trails and pathways were.

1254
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:26,890
Where Sheridan's being very important or important.

1255
01:03:29,070 --> 01:03:30,100
Yes, Uh-huh.

1256
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:32,820
So it seemed to be very important to the community.

1257
01:03:34,740 --> 01:03:37,060
And The Wanted to.

1258
01:03:37,170 --> 01:03:37,930
Make note of.

1259
01:03:38,130 --> 01:03:41,050
The top two of the pickleball courts and and dog parks.

1260
01:03:42,050 --> 01:03:43,410
It was kind of a split.

1261
01:03:43,490 --> 01:03:44,650
Answer on there.

1262
01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:47,650
Some people saying it's not important at all.

1263
01:03:47,850 --> 01:03:49,890
Other thing that's very important to them.

1264
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:55,010
And and that kind of reflects in some of the conversations we had at the open house as well.

1265
01:03:55,410 --> 01:03:57,970
Just wanted to make a reminder of the.

1266
01:03:58,170 --> 01:03:59,770
Survey that was set out in.

1267
01:03:59,850 --> 01:04:00,770
2024.

1268
01:04:01,850 --> 01:04:02,890
With the.

1269
01:04:03,610 --> 01:04:04,650
The master plan.

1270
01:04:05,570 --> 01:04:06,570
And just sharing that.

1271
01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:09,130
You know, the pickleball courts and dog parks.

1272
01:04:09,570 --> 01:04:12,730
You know, ranked pretty high were pretty important to to people.

1273
01:04:12,970 --> 01:04:14,570
And and all of these elements.

1274
01:04:14,730 --> 01:04:15,650
Here came.

1275
01:04:16,010 --> 01:04:16,730
From that.

1276
01:04:17,050 --> 01:04:18,170
Serbia.

1277
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:20,890
Amenities to incorporate in the.

1278
01:04:21,090 --> 01:04:21,250
Park.

1279
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,620
OK for this one as funding opportunities become available?

1280
01:04:29,730 --> 01:04:32,050
What elements should be prioritized?

1281
01:04:33,610 --> 01:04:35,250
Pubs and trails again leading.

1282
01:04:35,850 --> 01:04:37,410
Pretty far in this.

1283
01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:39,890
And the playground.

1284
01:04:41,170 --> 01:04:43,210
Pavilion Plaza restrooms.

1285
01:04:43,410 --> 01:04:44,610
That seems to all be, you know.

1286
01:04:44,890 --> 01:04:46,450
Pretty consistent there.

1287
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,580
And then we wanted to incorporate a question about.

1288
01:04:54,970 --> 01:04:56,370
The theming of the park.

1289
01:04:56,610 --> 01:04:57,370
You know what?

1290
01:04:57,530 --> 01:05:00,500
What types of themes or values want to be?

1291
01:05:00,610 --> 01:05:02,210
Shown in the space.

1292
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:03,540
So.

1293
01:05:05,570 --> 01:05:08,930
A lot of these things were recommended by staff and.

1294
01:05:09,530 --> 01:05:10,730
The previous survey.

1295
01:05:11,170 --> 01:05:12,330
So this was.

1296
01:05:12,930 --> 01:05:14,810
An attempt to capture that so.

1297
01:05:15,130 --> 01:05:17,010
Wildflowers and native landscape.

1298
01:05:17,410 --> 01:05:19,010
We heard from the community that.

1299
01:05:19,770 --> 01:05:20,930
Highlighting the.

1300
01:05:21,330 --> 01:05:22,250
The surrounding.

1301
01:05:22,410 --> 01:05:23,930
You know Flora.

1302
01:05:24,050 --> 01:05:28,210
And and having a connection with nature was was really important.

1303
01:05:29,970 --> 01:05:31,610
And also celebrating.

1304
01:05:32,010 --> 01:05:32,730
The water.

1305
01:05:33,490 --> 01:05:34,770
In the area too.

1306
01:05:35,490 --> 01:05:37,250
Lots of conversations about.

1307
01:05:37,930 --> 01:05:38,930
Incorporating.

1308
01:05:39,130 --> 01:05:39,970
Water.

1309
01:05:40,050 --> 01:05:41,450
Conscious plantings.

1310
01:05:41,690 --> 01:05:45,140
Being mindful of the maintenance on the park as well.

1311
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:49,580
And then this last one here, where the the valley meets the mountain.

1312
01:05:49,650 --> 01:05:51,450
So again, celebrating the.

1313
01:05:51,730 --> 01:05:52,730
The views and.

1314
01:05:53,410 --> 01:05:55,130
Connection to nature.

1315
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:57,030
To the residents.

1316
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:00,720
OK. And then?

1317
01:06:01,290 --> 01:06:04,090
These these drawings were from the open house.

1318
01:06:04,810 --> 01:06:07,690
So just kind of a way for kids to participate.

1319
01:06:08,170 --> 01:06:09,690
In this process as well and.

1320
01:06:10,170 --> 01:06:11,530
They were also at the maps.

1321
01:06:11,610 --> 01:06:14,450
Sharing their their insights about what they'd like to see.

1322
01:06:14,650 --> 01:06:15,850
On the site and.

1323
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:17,650
How they'd like to experience it.

1324
01:06:18,570 --> 01:06:20,730
So these images here.

1325
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:22,570
Kind of sharing about.

1326
01:06:23,570 --> 01:06:25,650
Again the connection to nature, but then also.

1327
01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:27,810
Thought some fun elements from.

1328
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:28,850
Storybooks and.

1329
01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:30,050
Areas for.

1330
01:06:30,130 --> 01:06:32,570
Reading and presentations would be fun.

1331
01:06:33,330 --> 01:06:34,090
As well as.

1332
01:06:34,170 --> 01:06:35,610
You know, getting connected to.

1333
01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:36,730
To others at the park.

1334
01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:46,140
Any questions with regards to the process or?

1335
01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:47,930
Our observations.

1336
01:06:51,150 --> 01:06:52,430
I don't know, I thought it was a very.

1337
01:06:53,170 --> 01:06:54,610
Revealing one that.

1338
01:06:54,690 --> 01:06:58,850
There wasn't, you know, something that was screaming out, this is the one, so.

1339
01:06:59,250 --> 01:07:00,730
I think that tells me that.

1340
01:07:01,330 --> 01:07:02,370
We've got the.

1341
01:07:02,930 --> 01:07:05,530
General programming and amenitization.

1342
01:07:05,770 --> 01:07:07,410
Done. Well, now it just comes down.

1343
01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:10,660
And here's where I want to then.

1344
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:14,090
Come back to your professional expertise in.

1345
01:07:14,330 --> 01:07:15,130
We've got the.

1346
01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:18,530
Values. So now we just want to make sure our design is.

1347
01:07:18,930 --> 01:07:20,690
OK, professionally done and not.

1348
01:07:22,660 --> 01:07:23,740
Not my.

1349
01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:24,770
You know plumber.

1350
01:07:24,850 --> 01:07:29,290
Being the one designing it necessarily, but having landscape architects then.

1351
01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:30,210
Helping us.

1352
01:07:31,050 --> 01:07:33,570
Put the placement in ways that don't conflict and.

1353
01:07:33,690 --> 01:07:34,890
And that makes sense from a.

1354
01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:36,050
Phasing standpoint.

1355
01:07:36,940 --> 01:07:37,820
That kind of what I.

1356
01:07:38,970 --> 01:07:40,130
I'm interpreting from.

1357
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:42,170
What I saw and also that the.

1358
01:07:42,250 --> 01:07:43,090
Trails where the.

1359
01:07:43,610 --> 01:07:45,250
The number one, I wasn't expecting that.

1360
01:07:45,970 --> 01:07:50,530
That's something we're seeing in other other cities also, that trails is becoming.

1361
01:07:51,350 --> 01:07:52,260
Much more valued.

1362
01:07:52,690 --> 01:07:53,210
So.

1363
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,020
So I know I have heard from.

1364
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:58,530
Many people that live.

1365
01:07:58,890 --> 01:08:01,330
In particularly for.

1366
01:08:01,890 --> 01:08:04,090
Two and three where we have the dog park.

1367
01:08:04,530 --> 01:08:06,090
On the other side of the film.

1368
01:08:06,210 --> 01:08:08,170
And one, there's a buffer.

1369
01:08:08,290 --> 01:08:09,410
In between.

1370
01:08:09,810 --> 01:08:11,050
The homes.

1371
01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:16,210
And where the dog park placement was on maps 2 and three, there is not a buffer.

1372
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:22,890
And they are quite concerned about having a dog park right up next to their property line.

1373
01:08:23,290 --> 01:08:26,650
And I am too. That's not something I would want.

1374
01:08:27,210 --> 01:08:29,770
And so I'm hoping maybe we can find a.

1375
01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:34,810
Better placement I know no one wants the dog park on either side of their homes, correct?

1376
01:08:35,290 --> 01:08:37,770
But if we do end up putting it in that.

1377
01:08:37,850 --> 01:08:39,580
Corner, I do think we need to.

1378
01:08:40,090 --> 01:08:43,010
Make sure those residents have that buffer that.

1379
01:08:43,330 --> 01:08:46,450
They don't have a dog park right up next to their property line.

1380
01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:47,130
Correct.

1381
01:08:47,210 --> 01:08:50,250
Is it is it possible to add that the trail?

1382
01:08:50,570 --> 01:08:53,290
On that far side? Or does that make it too narrow?

1383
01:08:54,810 --> 01:08:55,770
It's possible.

1384
01:08:56,990 --> 01:09:02,660
It's possible. So there what we're showing here are just blocks of space and they can be adjusted.

1385
01:09:03,330 --> 01:09:04,690
As we need them to.

1386
01:09:06,610 --> 01:09:10,890
My guess is that we're going to be moving the dog park if we go back to option one.

1387
01:09:14,310 --> 01:09:16,020
This is my suggestion.

1388
01:09:16,810 --> 01:09:20,370
Is that we take the educational garden and we move it to the other side.

1389
01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:22,930
And we take the pavilions, the pickleball.

1390
01:09:23,410 --> 01:09:25,610
And the dog park and we slide it over.

1391
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:29,650
So that the pavilion which will be used intermittently.

1392
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:32,370
Would basically shield.

1393
01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:35,890
Those residents, they wouldn't have dogs barking.

1394
01:09:37,330 --> 01:09:39,450
Educational garden, on the other side would.

1395
01:09:39,970 --> 01:09:42,050
Shield the residents on that east side.

1396
01:09:42,250 --> 01:09:43,730
But that's my.

1397
01:09:43,850 --> 01:09:45,170
Professional, so it makes.

1398
01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:49,090
The pickleball courts in the dog park More central. It is more than on one.

1399
01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:51,570
And it gets them further away from.

1400
01:09:51,690 --> 01:09:53,890
The basically the residents on the.

1401
01:09:54,330 --> 01:09:56,370
I think that would be appreciated by.

1402
01:09:56,770 --> 01:09:58,250
All of the residents there.

1403
01:09:58,490 --> 01:09:58,850
Yeah.

1404
01:10:00,290 --> 01:10:04,650
So maybe we'll even get to that when we get to next steps, because the next steps really are.

1405
01:10:04,930 --> 01:10:07,210
OK, we've got the values now it's.

1406
01:10:07,690 --> 01:10:08,330
Now let's.

1407
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,460
Sharpen this thing up with the professionals.

1408
01:10:12,210 --> 01:10:15,580
Correct. And so we can go back anymore questions?

1409
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:20,060
OK, so this is the next.

1410
01:10:20,450 --> 01:10:23,890
Process that we have to go first of all is the finalization of the.

1411
01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:25,810
Program locations.

1412
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:27,330
And this would be based on.

1413
01:10:27,570 --> 01:10:28,730
Council feedback.

1414
01:10:29,170 --> 01:10:31,730
And the community engagement, we know that there have been.

1415
01:10:31,930 --> 01:10:36,170
The the city's received emails and and things like that responses back.

1416
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:38,730
And were aware of them and we'll, we'll try and.

1417
01:10:38,810 --> 01:10:40,050
Make sure that everybody.

1418
01:10:40,490 --> 01:10:41,650
At least am I happy.

1419
01:10:42,130 --> 01:10:44,340
We know we can't necessarily please everybody.

1420
01:10:44,650 --> 01:10:47,410
But again, we're looking for your feedback in terms of.

1421
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:49,530
What's the right location?

1422
01:10:50,250 --> 01:10:53,730
I think we've had, you know, we've just had some discussion here on that.

1423
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:55,450
And then?

1424
01:10:55,770 --> 01:10:58,490
After that, once we get that finalized, you know.

1425
01:10:58,850 --> 01:11:00,770
Will give you the full community engagement.

1426
01:11:00,850 --> 01:11:02,130
Feedback Summary.

1427
01:11:02,530 --> 01:11:04,210
We've had we'll.

1428
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:05,250
Come with a.

1429
01:11:05,610 --> 01:11:06,810
Actual schematic or?

1430
01:11:07,490 --> 01:11:09,410
Refined concept plan.

1431
01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:13,970
And then we'll produce the final bridging document, which will then be presented to.

1432
01:11:14,410 --> 01:11:17,290
Design build teams in the future to actually.

1433
01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:20,050
Complete 100%.

1434
01:11:20,650 --> 01:11:21,250
Documents.

1435
01:11:22,010 --> 01:11:25,690
Just one thought too. It sounds like it didn't come out in your meetings, but just something that.

1436
01:11:25,770 --> 01:11:26,050
That I.

1437
01:11:26,690 --> 01:11:27,690
I see just with.

1438
01:11:27,810 --> 01:11:29,890
People with kids, if we can provide.

1439
01:11:30,620 --> 01:11:36,440
Separate entrances to make it very easy, just like we talked about with the other dog parks where they can get their dog into the

1440
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:42,260
park within a couple of feet and then another option for people with kids to go into the playground.

1441
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:46,570
So that if you don't want to run into the dogs.

1442
01:11:46,650 --> 01:11:48,410
There's a way for you to avoid that.

1443
01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:49,730
With your with little kids.

1444
01:11:49,810 --> 01:11:50,410
Correct.

1445
01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:53,050
Correct. And that and yeah, we're aware of that.

1446
01:11:53,210 --> 01:11:54,850
Yeah, the dogs can.

1447
01:11:54,930 --> 01:11:56,530
At times be frightening to.

1448
01:11:56,890 --> 01:11:59,370
To kids, particularly Orthodox, super excited and.

1449
01:11:59,890 --> 01:12:03,010
You know, a kid may not realize that it's just being friendly.

1450
01:12:03,090 --> 01:12:04,010
Yes, yes.

1451
01:12:04,090 --> 01:12:04,490
Correct.

1452
01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:09,330
So.

1453
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:15,370
Getting to these next steps but I want to make sure I'm not skipping anything or.

1454
01:12:15,490 --> 01:12:17,130
Are you getting what you need or?

1455
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:19,090
Tell us when you need more from us.

1456
01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:24,650
We're, we're just looking for maybe a little bit of feedback from you and and most of it again has to do with the.

1457
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:26,130
The pickleball works.

1458
01:12:26,290 --> 01:12:28,810
And the dog park, those are the two amenities, really.

1459
01:12:29,170 --> 01:12:32,130
Yeah, I mean, I, I really.

1460
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,060
I like that idea of having that.

1461
01:12:36,210 --> 01:12:37,210
The dog park.

1462
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:39,290
With I don't necessarily like it.

1463
01:12:39,610 --> 01:12:40,970
On the West side.

1464
01:12:41,050 --> 01:12:42,050
Right. Accept that.

1465
01:12:42,450 --> 01:12:45,010
It's adjacent to parking and that's the only reason I.

1466
01:12:45,730 --> 01:12:51,370
I thought about maybe I should go over there is is because on the east side it's not adjacent to the parking.

1467
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,700
However, if there was a way, we could.

1468
01:12:53,850 --> 01:12:55,210
You know, shift.

1469
01:12:55,290 --> 01:12:56,450
So that still.

1470
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,630
Easily accessed from the parking, whether it's through fencing and signage, they just know, hey, if they're going to talk about

1471
01:13:00,630 --> 01:13:03,580
that way.

1472
01:13:03,970 --> 01:13:08,850
Because I just don't want to have them having to traipse through the other amenities to get there. But if.

1473
01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:10,850
Adequate fencing can.

1474
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:12,290
Can make that happen.

1475
01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:14,690
Then I'm less concerned because I.

1476
01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:17,410
Prefer the buffering element of the east side.

1477
01:13:20,850 --> 01:13:22,050
It's just that balance of.

1478
01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:26,130
If we can have it on the east side for the buffering but allow it to have.

1479
01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:29,340
Access that doesn't.

1480
01:13:30,090 --> 01:13:32,490
You know, crossover, other amenities then I think we've.

1481
01:13:32,930 --> 01:13:34,530
Got the best of both worlds.

1482
01:13:35,410 --> 01:13:37,210
And then your with your idea of.

1483
01:13:37,650 --> 01:13:38,410
Moving.

1484
01:13:38,650 --> 01:13:39,610
The dog park.

1485
01:13:39,690 --> 01:13:42,770
You know towards the center to accomplish that with, even if it's.

1486
01:13:42,970 --> 01:13:43,890
The dog park.

1487
01:13:44,570 --> 01:13:48,130
Toward the West from its current option one east side.

1488
01:13:48,210 --> 01:13:50,090
And maybe moving pickleball.

1489
01:13:50,210 --> 01:13:51,690
Just a smidge to the South.

1490
01:13:53,010 --> 01:13:54,530
Maybe that's the answer.

1491
01:13:54,650 --> 01:13:58,570
Although the other big question about the dog park is.

1492
01:13:59,510 --> 01:14:00,900
Adequacy of size.

1493
01:14:02,170 --> 01:14:03,690
The option one.

1494
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:07,450
Is showing a size of. What's the assumption on size there?

1495
01:14:09,190 --> 01:14:11,670
That that one is there showing it 1/2 acre.

1496
01:14:12,130 --> 01:14:13,810
We had some others if we.

1497
01:14:14,010 --> 01:14:18,210
If we take the multi use purpose fields and we put them like they are in option 2.

1498
01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:22,490
That opens up space where we could increase that size of that dog park a little bit.

1499
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:23,930
Right, because I just wonder if.

1500
01:14:25,380 --> 01:14:27,260
If half acre then makes it.

1501
01:14:27,950 --> 01:14:30,020
Annoyingly unusable.

1502
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:32,890
And then we've wasted 1/2 acre instead of.

1503
01:14:33,530 --> 01:14:34,490
Optimizing.

1504
01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:38,850
.9 acres, you know, like the one up in Bountiful seemed to be a pretty good size. I don't know that we need to double the size of

1505
01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:42,650
a bountiful one relative to this.

1506
01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:43,770
Park is also the.

1507
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:46,890
Taylorsville Park, I understand is twice the size of this whole park.

1508
01:14:47,290 --> 01:14:49,380
That's like a 20 acre park and this is.

1509
01:14:49,570 --> 01:14:50,490
12:00-ish.

1510
01:14:52,660 --> 01:14:53,580
And so.

1511
01:14:55,810 --> 01:14:56,290
From a.

1512
01:14:56,650 --> 01:14:57,970
Comparative, you know.

1513
01:14:58,770 --> 01:14:59,730
Ratio.

1514
01:15:00,170 --> 01:15:00,930
About.

1515
01:15:01,610 --> 01:15:03,170
Closer to an acre.

1516
01:15:03,530 --> 01:15:05,490
Similar ratio of size to the.

1517
01:15:05,610 --> 01:15:09,050
Full part size. Not that that's necessarily important metric, but.

1518
01:15:10,690 --> 01:15:13,850
We didn't visit a dog park that would be as small as.

1519
01:15:14,170 --> 01:15:15,050
And how that?

1520
01:15:15,570 --> 01:15:16,290
Operated.

1521
01:15:16,530 --> 01:15:17,090
Correct.

1522
01:15:17,810 --> 01:15:19,610
I got 2 extremes.

1523
01:15:19,730 --> 01:15:21,930
Or anyways, both larger, but.

1524
01:15:22,450 --> 01:15:23,090
Yeah.

1525
01:15:25,930 --> 01:15:27,090
Also, if we.

1526
01:15:27,530 --> 01:15:32,490
Because if we mentioned and I actually really liked the idea of having a trail in the dog park.

1527
01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:34,890
Too, so that would need to make the dog park.

1528
01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:36,490
A little bit bigger.

1529
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:38,820
To accommodate for that, so I don't.

1530
01:15:38,970 --> 01:15:39,730
I mean, I don't.

1531
01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:41,890
Now, if we can't have everything that we want or.

1532
01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:44,570
But just as we're.

1533
01:15:44,690 --> 01:15:46,170
As we're moving blocks around.

1534
01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:50,090
That's something to think about as well, and that's part of it is just right sizing.

1535
01:15:50,490 --> 01:15:52,850
The dog parked to get it the right size.

1536
01:15:52,930 --> 01:15:56,370
If we go too big, then I think we become much more of a regional drawing.

1537
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:59,500
Yeah, right. And if we go too small, then it's.

1538
01:15:59,610 --> 01:16:03,090
May not be as usable as the. I like the idea of how.

1539
01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:04,130
Maybe you?

1540
01:16:04,330 --> 01:16:07,330
The downside of having it directly adjacent to parking lot.

1541
01:16:08,410 --> 01:16:11,010
Also adds to the regional draw element.

1542
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,220
And when I visited, like that's right near my house when I go over there.

1543
01:16:15,930 --> 01:16:21,370
Probably you know 8085% of the people I see there in the morning are have all walked there.

1544
01:16:21,730 --> 01:16:22,130
Correct.

1545
01:16:23,170 --> 01:16:24,850
Uh, maybe that might be a little high because the.

1546
01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:27,250
The ones who are using the church.

1547
01:16:27,490 --> 01:16:28,170
Property.

1548
01:16:29,010 --> 01:16:29,890
They tend to bring.

1549
01:16:30,010 --> 01:16:30,450
Car.

1550
01:16:32,010 --> 01:16:32,450
But.

1551
01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:36,450
But I think, yeah, a high percentage of the folks are are walking. They're not.

1552
01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:37,610
Not driving.

1553
01:16:41,050 --> 01:16:42,850
For these multi-purpose fields.

1554
01:16:43,650 --> 01:16:49,330
To be used by the recreation teams. Is there a specific size they need for it to be?

1555
01:16:49,450 --> 01:16:51,170
To meet their need Or can we?

1556
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,300
Edge into that space a little bit or do we know?

1557
01:16:54,690 --> 01:16:58,010
I think right now we're showing space that would be big enough for a, if I remember Craig, like a high school size field, but most

1558
01:16:58,010 --> 01:17:01,330
of these rec.

1559
01:17:01,610 --> 01:17:04,250
Leagues probably don't need it that big.

1560
01:17:04,810 --> 01:17:07,170
So this is more of a multi-purpose.

1561
01:17:07,730 --> 01:17:11,090
You know, break it up into smaller sizes.

1562
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:16,170
Practice type fields things. Yeah, I don't think we I like having lots of multipurpose field.

1563
01:17:16,770 --> 01:17:17,770
And I'd like to be.

1564
01:17:17,850 --> 01:17:19,090
And not have it be.

1565
01:17:19,210 --> 01:17:20,650
Bigger than they need.

1566
01:17:21,050 --> 01:17:23,290
You know, I like the two field option.

1567
01:17:23,370 --> 01:17:24,890
Right, but not necessarily.

1568
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:28,940
Pro league if that's not what they're needing.

1569
01:17:29,050 --> 01:17:31,250
Because as we saw the trails.

1570
01:17:31,330 --> 01:17:32,410
Was the number one.

1571
01:17:32,490 --> 01:17:36,610
Right, and the bigger the fields are, the skinnier the.

1572
01:17:36,810 --> 01:17:38,930
Trail configuration gets to be.

1573
01:17:39,290 --> 01:17:41,210
But I'd hate to then all of a sudden make them.

1574
01:17:41,290 --> 01:17:44,130
The playfield not really usable anymore for.

1575
01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:45,850
Its primary purpose is being.

1576
01:17:45,970 --> 01:17:46,530
You know.

1577
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:50,050
Those soccer things. So if we could just double check that element.

1578
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:54,450
One thing to consider.

1579
01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:55,700
Speaking to the mic.

1580
01:17:55,930 --> 01:18:00,850
One thing to consider with that is as a part of the lease agreement with the school district, we are required to maintain 5 acres.

1581
01:18:00,850 --> 01:18:05,770
So it's almost half the site of open space.

1582
01:18:06,530 --> 01:18:09,730
That in an emergency they could become put temporary units on.

1583
01:18:10,330 --> 01:18:11,730
So part of that.

1584
01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:14,780
The sizing of this fields just we need to make sure that we are meeting that.

1585
01:18:15,210 --> 01:18:17,690
Of course, the dog park is still open space.

1586
01:18:18,050 --> 01:18:20,610
As would be the garden would be open space.

1587
01:18:21,570 --> 01:18:23,490
Yeah, does the parking lot.

1588
01:18:24,290 --> 01:18:25,890
Open space app exactly.

1589
01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:31,090
And then the other element I just noted was frequently a number of the options we had the.

1590
01:18:31,170 --> 01:18:34,130
Pavilion right next to the pickleball course and I was thinking.

1591
01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:36,775
Boy, it'd be nice to maybe give a little buffer there, because if you're trying to have a family reunion in the pavilion, then

1592
01:18:36,775 --> 01:18:39,340
you've got.

1593
01:18:40,170 --> 01:18:43,810
Pickleball knocking on and I just have a little bit of the other thing that we.

1594
01:18:43,890 --> 01:18:49,050
Noted from my predecessor and friend Rob Daly. He traveled down to Palm Springs and he.

1595
01:18:49,130 --> 01:18:52,450
Send us some pictures of pickleball courts that were.

1596
01:18:52,610 --> 01:18:55,570
Bermed for noise mitigation.

1597
01:18:56,010 --> 01:18:57,610
And I was hoping we could.

1598
01:18:58,010 --> 01:18:59,210
In our design.

1599
01:19:00,270 --> 01:19:04,380
Put some burning around the pickleball courts to help with that noise mitigation.

1600
01:19:04,530 --> 01:19:05,530
Some some buffering.

1601
01:19:05,650 --> 01:19:06,170
Yeah.

1602
01:19:07,260 --> 01:19:09,700
We will do what we can to get muffering again.

1603
01:19:09,970 --> 01:19:14,370
By taking the pavilion and moving it all the way over to the east side that also.

1604
01:19:14,490 --> 01:19:17,850
Gives the pavilion a little bit more buffer across the Plaza.

1605
01:19:18,330 --> 01:19:21,370
Stick all that in a blender, see what you can come up with.

1606
01:19:21,810 --> 01:19:22,370
OK.

1607
01:19:23,890 --> 01:19:24,730
And then we'll.

1608
01:19:24,810 --> 01:19:27,250
We'll do that and then we'll present it to to.

1609
01:19:27,970 --> 01:19:29,130
Holly and Gina.

1610
01:19:29,730 --> 01:19:31,330
And I'm assuming you guys will.

1611
01:19:31,410 --> 01:19:32,650
Want to buy these guys?

1612
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:35,900
We'll be back. We'll be back.

1613
01:19:36,090 --> 01:19:36,530
OK.

1614
01:19:38,050 --> 01:19:41,450
OK. Do you think you got what you need or any other elements I think.

1615
01:19:41,930 --> 01:19:43,130
I think we've got with.

1616
01:19:43,290 --> 01:19:46,330
What we need and I think we've got some options, particularly with the.

1617
01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:49,730
Car access to the dog park. I think there's some things that we can.

1618
01:19:50,130 --> 01:19:53,130
Do in that space.

1619
01:19:53,250 --> 01:19:55,970
That maybe that's where the airlock for the dogs is.

1620
01:19:56,450 --> 01:19:57,610
Is in that space.

1621
01:19:58,330 --> 01:19:59,050
That lets us.

1622
01:19:59,170 --> 01:20:00,130
Make things work.

1623
01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:02,940
Great. OK.

1624
01:20:03,130 --> 01:20:05,210
Thank you. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you.

1625
01:20:10,090 --> 01:20:12,770
OK, Debbie and Chief.

1626
01:20:13,330 --> 01:20:14,290
UPD.

1627
01:20:21,700 --> 01:20:22,940
Thank you so much.

1628
01:20:25,460 --> 01:20:27,500
Let me start over. Thank you, Mayor and Council.

1629
01:20:28,530 --> 01:20:30,170
We're glad to be here tonight.

1630
01:20:30,770 --> 01:20:32,170
And to present this.

1631
01:20:32,770 --> 01:20:33,890
Presentation to you.

1632
01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:37,730
I want to recognize Mayor Scotty John from Brighton, who's joined us.

1633
01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:40,930
So that he can learn more about his precinct.

1634
01:20:41,330 --> 01:20:42,330
We also have.

1635
01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:43,450
Oh, there, she's Debbie.

1636
01:20:43,810 --> 01:20:45,250
Sanchez, our CFO.

1637
01:20:46,010 --> 01:20:48,370
You all know you're excellent, Chief Justin Hoyle.

1638
01:20:48,730 --> 01:20:49,650
And so we'll.

1639
01:20:50,170 --> 01:20:52,090
You break in this presentation up into.

1640
01:20:52,210 --> 01:20:54,130
A few parts I'm going to talk about the.

1641
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:56,290
The larger shared services part.

1642
01:20:56,890 --> 01:20:58,010
Of the department.

1643
01:20:58,130 --> 01:20:59,970
Justice is going to focus on your precinct.

1644
01:21:00,330 --> 01:21:01,610
And then Debbie will.

1645
01:21:02,370 --> 01:21:03,290
Talk about.

1646
01:21:03,370 --> 01:21:06,210
Any budgetary questions or things you have?

1647
01:21:06,330 --> 01:21:07,250
And I know.

1648
01:21:07,330 --> 01:21:08,570
Gina, uh.

1649
01:21:09,410 --> 01:21:10,530
Justin Promise.

1650
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:12,090
We will not go over 2 hours.

1651
01:21:12,690 --> 01:21:14,490
I know you're good.

1652
01:21:16,810 --> 01:21:18,570
No, we'll make it quick and efficient.

1653
01:21:19,570 --> 01:21:21,170
Why UPD 101?

1654
01:21:21,250 --> 01:21:22,370
What does EPD 101?

1655
01:21:23,410 --> 01:21:28,130
We learned long ago that it was really important, especially as we get new elected officials coming in. It's really.

1656
01:21:28,490 --> 01:21:32,050
Critical that we communicate and help them understand your Police Department.

1657
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:33,880
And the services you get.

1658
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,760
And by the way, I really enjoyed.

1659
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:38,760
UFA 101.

1660
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,400
A really good presentation, but.

1661
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,080
The UPD started in 2010.

1662
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,200
January 1st, not long after UFA started.

1663
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,840
And both departments are structured very similarly.

1664
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,640
In a fashion that we'll talk about, which I think is.

1665
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,680
Very effective.

1666
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,360
And importantly, efficient.

1667
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,000
And we'll get into that.

1668
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,760
So on the slide up there you see.

1669
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,080
BPD is governed similar to UFA.

1670
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,360
Where we have a board of directors.

1671
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:05,680
Directors and then.

1672
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:10,160
My role is the chief of police's to act as the CEO to carry out.

1673
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,160
What the board wants and we have our.

1674
01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:13,960
As you can see, there are steamed.

1675
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,720
Mayor Fotheringham was part of that board.

1676
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,120
And we really appreciate his support there.

1677
01:22:21,730 --> 01:22:22,970
These next few slides.

1678
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:24,440
Are important because.

1679
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:25,480
And again.

1680
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,800
This is a very similar structure and philosophy to how UFA is.

1681
01:22:32,010 --> 01:22:33,050
Holiday has its.

1682
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,120
There's two pieces. This holiday has its direct precinct.

1683
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,640
Which is what Justin runs and manages.

1684
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,040
And then Holiday also has.

1685
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:42,760
The other.

1686
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:48,560
50% of its Police Department, which is the shared services piece that belongs to holiday every much.

1687
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,960
Every bit as much as the precinct does.

1688
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:54,570
And so within that shared services, you look at that slide there's.

1689
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,880
Two pieces to that. There's administrative shared services.

1690
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,280
And there's specialty shared services.

1691
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,600
Now if you go to the next one, just this graphic.

1692
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,080
To me is one of the most simple ways to explain it.

1693
01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:07,770
If you break down your shared services.

1694
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,930
You could break it into 3 sections on the bottom there.

1695
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,240
You'll see your technical services.

1696
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,120
On the left you'll see your administrative services.

1697
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,800
And on the right you'll see your special operations.

1698
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,040
Type services.

1699
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,520
And then above you'll see the administrative piece that helps.

1700
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,000
Keep it all tied together.

1701
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,800
One thing I want to point out here is.

1702
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,520
The strength of the you.

1703
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,440
PD model is in its shared services.

1704
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,160
What you see in shared services are the things in policing that keep.

1705
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:37,800
Police administrators up at night.

1706
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,360
They're the most expensive.

1707
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:40,400
Most difficult.

1708
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,600
Most demanding.

1709
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,520
Things that you have in policing and a lot of departments across the country.

1710
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:49,560
What they'll do is.

1711
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:54,520
For instance, the department will need a SWAT team will need that tactical capability.

1712
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,330
This is a really simple example.

1713
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:57,280
But.

1714
01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:00,680
Because they stand alone, they may only be able to have.

1715
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,480
Very resource stars.

1716
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:05,960
Very resource.

1717
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:07,440
Deprived.

1718
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,200
SWAT team that doesn't get much experience.

1719
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:15,080
But here at UFA, because you have collaborated with other municipalities and cities.

1720
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:16,960
And you pull your money together.

1721
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:17,920
You can get.

1722
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:19,490
The real deal.

1723
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:20,960
Because holiday doesn't need.

1724
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,160
That tactical response all the time. You don't always need AK.

1725
01:24:25,300 --> 01:24:26,900
You may not always need.

1726
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:27,920
A drone unit.

1727
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,000
But when you need it.

1728
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:30,000
You need it.

1729
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,040
And So what you get then is by partnering with others, you get.

1730
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:34,760
Those.

1731
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:35,880
Resources.

1732
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,480
That are very experienced, very highly trained.

1733
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,120
Because they've been out.

1734
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:45,050
Practicing all over the UPD so when they come to holiday you get the best of what they have to offer.

1735
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,280
So it's really important to understand that.

1736
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:48,920
And in the past I've had.

1737
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,120
Elected officials asked me. Well, geez, we don't.

1738
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:52,800
Use canine that often.

1739
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,520
And like I said, when you need it, you need it.

1740
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,800
But on the other part of that graph, the bottom and the left.

1741
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,480
Your holiday officers use those shared services every single day of the year.

1742
01:25:04,270 --> 01:25:06,770
They have to have radios, they have to write reports.

1743
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,120
They have to book evidence.

1744
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,560
They need legal protection, they need training, you have to be able to recruit.

1745
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,400
So 2/3 of the shared services that you participate in.

1746
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:17,080
Is used by your officers.

1747
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:22,160
To support their mission in your community every single day, it's really, really important to understand.

1748
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:29,120
But again, by combining together with others and working together as a team and this kind of really altruistic model.

1749
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,290
We you get the best.

1750
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:32,720
With the most efficient.

1751
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:34,400
And you know, I've heard.

1752
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,320
Law enforcement is a cheap.

1753
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,120
Where you really win is when you make it efficient.

1754
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:40,720
And make it effective.

1755
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,200
So that's a really important part.

1756
01:25:46,270 --> 01:25:47,290
Next slide.

1757
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,760
It might be a little bit hard to see, I don't know if you can see it on your screens, but.

1758
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,320
You have two sides. That's on the left half you have.

1759
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,520
Yellow, which is your shared services.

1760
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,320
Which is part of your Police Department?

1761
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:00,640
And then on the right.

1762
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,160
You have 5 columns and those are the precincts.

1763
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,600
The ones in blue are the actual cities.

1764
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:08,280
I call them the tri-cities.

1765
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,240
Mill Creek Holiday, Midvale.

1766
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:16,000
And then on the right of that you have in green those are the visa entities that belong to the Salvisa.

1767
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:17,280
Law enforcement.

1768
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:18,320
District.

1769
01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:20,680
And that's where they get their funding for those.

1770
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:25,840
Groups if you take a look at holiday and you draw a line straight down.

1771
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,930
With Holiday City, you'll see all the positions that.

1772
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,520
You pay for directly.

1773
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,040
And then in orange.

1774
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,760
Another beauty of the UP models you can tailor.

1775
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,240
Your law enforcement services to what?

1776
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:38,720
Holidays unique needs are.

1777
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:40,400
So for instance.

1778
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:41,720
You need a bailiff.

1779
01:26:42,620 --> 01:26:44,930
And so you're able to say we want that?

1780
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,880
Particular specialized service and you can pay for it.

1781
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,000
And it's like Legos you can build.

1782
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,600
Kind of what works best for Holiday City.

1783
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,360
Or conversely, you may say we don't need that particular.

1784
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,000
Serbs anymore and you could.

1785
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,040
Remove it and then.

1786
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,800
But the beauty is you can tailor it to what you need.

1787
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:04,480
And then below that you'll see.

1788
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:05,280
Brighton.

1789
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:10,300
Intermountain Health will be on the next slide to just and we'll talk to you about, but you're also partnering with them and

1790
01:27:10,300 --> 01:27:13,730
again, it reduces all of your costs.

1791
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,760
Creates these really robust.

1792
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:17,760
Excellent partnerships.

1793
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:19,330
But that is.

1794
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:23,720
The overall organizational chart for the Unified Police Department.

1795
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,720
But again, I want you to keep in mind.

1796
01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:28,620
Holidays in that one single column.

1797
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,160
But when you look at that left side in the yellow.

1798
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,000
Those people all work for you too.

1799
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:35,600
And so you're getting a lot of service.

1800
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:37,320
You have a lot of capability.

1801
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,280
And you have a lot of resources.

1802
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:41,440
At the best price.

1803
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:42,400
You can get it at.

1804
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,960
All those officers work for holiday and like where you really see this come into place is like the fire that.

1805
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,200
We had last year Mill Creek significant fire.

1806
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,640
And the number of resources that.

1807
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:56,120
The.

1808
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,520
And the UFA because they share the same model.

1809
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,480
Comparing to bear on something like that.

1810
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:02,840
That's when you realize.

1811
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,280
How important it is, and not just for a few hours for days of.

1812
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,760
Need to. That's one of the things that I really like about.

1813
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:11,920
The UPD model, that's where I see.

1814
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:12,520
Tons of.

1815
01:28:15,230 --> 01:28:18,330
We've been a law enforcement long enough. You know what it looks like when it's real.

1816
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,600
And what it looks like when it's not.

1817
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,640
And what you have is very real, very effective.

1818
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,200
Any questions for me in terms of that?

1819
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,000
Bigger law enforcement picture.

1820
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:31,760
Is the Intermountain with the Elias hospital is that new?

1821
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:32,600
Yes.

1822
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:37,960
OK. Sounds like you're going to get into that in a minute. Yeah, I'll have Justin get into that, but we're.

1823
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:40,360
UPD.

1824
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,320
What I believe the beginning of a period of growth.

1825
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,640
And that is good because again.

1826
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:46,400
When we.

1827
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:47,080
Have.

1828
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,400
Partners, we reduce our costs, we get economies of scale.

1829
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:52,240
And that's what we're doing this.

1830
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:54,520
It's really been.

1831
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,320
Amazing to me hospitals.

1832
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:01,720
Need some law enforcement services. There's a lot of dramatic things that go on there, more than I realized, but.

1833
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,560
Justin could get into that when he goes to the next piece.

1834
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:12,600
After Justin, Debbie will talk about some of the budgetary things and just keep in mind we gave you a lot of information here.

1835
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:17,520
Because we wanted you to have all the granular detail, but we won't necessarily get into that.

1836
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:23,970
The purposes of time, we want you to have it if you have any questions about anything we talked about.

1837
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,160
Tonight. Tomorrow. Whenever.

1838
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,440
Let myself let Steve Hoyle know.

1839
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:29,480
Debbie, we are.

1840
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,200
All here to serve you so.

1841
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,160
Any questions for me on that?

1842
01:29:34,710 --> 01:29:36,730
Just one thing I'd comment on is.

1843
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,680
The other great thing about.

1844
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:40,920
Belonging to these regionals.

1845
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,400
Partners, is that it?

1846
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:44,840
Then allows.

1847
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:46,520
Our core city.

1848
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,360
To remain fairly lean.

1849
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:50,200
Because you. You.

1850
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,880
There's an apples and oranges comparison if you look at.

1851
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:57,640
You know our city's financials versus another city that has their own fire police.

1852
01:29:58,450 --> 01:30:00,410
If you look at their police line item.

1853
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,480
And our police line and them there are two different things because ours.

1854
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:09,530
Is the whole kitchen sink. It includes all this admin and it and records and evidence.

1855
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,200
Whereas in another city.

1856
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:15,600
Those might be built into their own core city administrative line items.

1857
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,360
And so you can't really make that.

1858
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:18,840
Comparison.

1859
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:20,240
And so.

1860
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,120
The result is that then we do get.

1861
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:25,960
You know what?

1862
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,560
A full police organization that's robust and large.

1863
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,160
The advantage of the large police organization, but.

1864
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:33,760
We just pay our share of it.

1865
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:35,640
And our share of it.

1866
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:39,600
And I will get into that formula. I presume that 702010 correct?

1867
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,600
It works out advantageously.

1868
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,520
In my view for holiday because of our.

1869
01:30:46,150 --> 01:30:49,010
Call volume and thus are assigned cost.

1870
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:49,880
Which is the.

1871
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,920
Lion's share of the allocation.

1872
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,440
Relative to our tax base is.

1873
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:56,120
Extremely favorable.

1874
01:30:57,900 --> 01:30:59,090
Yep, agree.

1875
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:00,120
OK, Chief.

1876
01:31:03,140 --> 01:31:06,575
Thanks Chief and Council Mayor, it's it's good to be with you here again tonight and talk a little bit more specifically in detail

1877
01:31:06,575 --> 01:31:10,010
about.

1878
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,440
The holiday precinct, which incorporates.

1879
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:17,360
Not only the city of holiday, the town of Brighton and and as we've kind of touched on a little bit.

1880
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:22,640
LDS Hospital. I'm really glad that Mayor John is here as well tonight with us because.

1881
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:24,920
As Chief Mazarin had mentioned.

1882
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:26,240
Part of the.

1883
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:30,680
The beauty of this organization is the shared services. Is that coming together and sharing resources? There's a lot of resources

1884
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,960
that I'll touch on here really quickly that are shared between.

1885
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:41,660
Not only holiday, but with Brighton as well. And it's kind of a back and forth give and take between those. So it's not only

1886
01:31:41,660 --> 01:31:48,280
organizationally but also within the precinct as well that that happens. So here you have and you can see the breakdown of the org

1887
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:54,900
chart here specifically. So you guys have on a daily basis, you have 15 officers that are assigned specifically to patrol and

1888
01:31:54,900 --> 01:32:01,520
that's what the precinct overseas, that's the big bread and butter of the organization. You guys have 15.

1889
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,840
Broken out into five different shifts, so there's three officers per shift.

1890
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:09,965
Overseen by a Sergeant, that Sergeant on each of those patrol shift shifts is shared actually with the City of Mill Creek. Again,

1891
01:32:09,965 --> 01:32:14,770
more sharing that comes into this organization.

1892
01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:20,650
You guys pay 33% of those sergeants and and Mill Creek pay 66% of them.

1893
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:26,050
All of the 15 actual patrol officers are 100% funded by you. They're dedicated to your city.

1894
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,760
And patrol those those areas specifically.

1895
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:33,040
On that same level in the town of Brighton, there's six officers that are signed up there and patrol that that community as well

1896
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:37,160
and are overseen by a Sergeant that.

1897
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:41,360
They cover 75% of that Sergeant, 25% is covered by.

1898
01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:45,240
The city of Holiday and he also that Sergeant also.

1899
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:50,440
Overseas, our three detectives Easton story that you mentioned, Jason a potion and the mental health detective.

1900
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:51,280
Del Villa Verde.

1901
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:54,000
And so.

1902
01:32:54,680 --> 01:33:00,120
With that patrol piece, those, those officers are here dedicated every day. You also have two traffic officers. So when you guys

1903
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:05,560
are hearing those traffic complaints, those come to me and then I assign those officers to go out and then address those issues

1904
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:11,000
within your community. You have 3 school resource officers that are 100% funded by the city of Holiday that cover the three

1905
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:16,440
schools, the three well two junior highs and Olympus Highs. So Bonneville, Olympus Junior and Olympus High School, we have

1906
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:21,880
officers in each of those.

1907
01:33:22,130 --> 01:33:24,090
As Chief Mazarin had mentioned.

1908
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,860
There are those special services that you guys have requested specifically that we cover. So we have an officer that is doing code

1909
01:33:28,860 --> 01:33:32,640
enforcement for the city. We have a.

1910
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,680
And officers doing your bailiff services in your justice court.

1911
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,740
And then as I mentioned earlier there, we added a mental health detective with all the cases of people that are struggling with

1912
01:33:41,740 --> 01:33:46,680
mental health, we have that detective who also works with.

1913
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:50,380
A licensed clinical social worker that's an employee of the Unified Police Department and it's shared between both Mill Creek and

1914
01:33:50,380 --> 01:33:54,000
Holiday.

1915
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:00,120
Moving on from there, the administration of this precinct is governed by myself.

1916
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,600
Lieutenant Tyler Ackerman, who you all know.

1917
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:08,853
We have an administrative assistant and a victim advocate and you can see on there, there's the percentages that are broken out.

1918
01:34:08,853 --> 01:34:14,986
You guys pay. For example, I'll use me as the example, 76% of me, 19% of Tyler and 5%, I mean, sorry, 76% is covered by Holiday,

1919
01:34:14,986 --> 01:34:21,119
19 percent is covered by Brighton.

1920
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:27,280
5% is covered by Intermountain Health and as we touch on that Intermountain Health piece of this.

1921
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:34,280
Chief Mazar and I got into conversations with them about a year ago because there's a great need for services at the hospital.

1922
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:40,440
LDS Hospital, Historically, most hospitals have hired officers off duty to go in and work in the hospital. You know, at the end of

1923
01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:46,240
their 40 hours they might go work at six or eight hour shift for some extra some extra money.

1924
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:49,250
And those officers might be tired. They might be.

1925
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:54,105
Burned out they might be, whatever. There's no consistency to it. LDS Hospital wanted to have some consistency to officers and

1926
01:34:54,105 --> 01:34:58,770
they joined as a full member partner of the Unified Police Department.

1927
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:03,160
They pay for two officers to be there from 7:00 PM to 7:00 AM every single night.

1928
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:07,620
And then cover some of the administrative costs of it as well as their full share of shared services. So the yellow section that

1929
01:35:07,620 --> 01:35:11,680
Chief management showed you?

1930
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,760
They pay their percentage, There's there's a percentage of each community pays into that to get.

1931
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,720
Access to the whole thing, and they're paying their share of that as well.

1932
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:21,800
And they are part of this precinct, so.

1933
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,460
We have officers that start up there tonight as of 7:00 and they're there every night. One of the benefits that is getting to know

1934
01:35:24,460 --> 01:35:27,080
the.

1935
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:31,460
The hospital staff, they get to know the officers, they're seeing the follow up on cases that they hadn't seen before. And as

1936
01:35:31,460 --> 01:35:35,720
Chief Maser mentioned, there's a lot of things that are going on in hospitals that.

1937
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,440
You wouldn't know or wouldn't believe so.

1938
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:43,700
It it's been a great partnership to have up there with with LES Hospital moving forward from that point. The other piece of this

1939
01:35:43,700 --> 01:35:48,560
that I just wanted to touch on, especially with with Brighton.

1940
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:52,720
So they have one full-time detective that's up there, Anna Walker.

1941
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:56,980
And one of the agreements that has been worked out about almost two years ago when the separation happened from the sheriff and

1942
01:35:56,980 --> 01:36:01,160
Brighton, became part of the holiday precinct.

1943
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:07,560
Was Anna as their property crime detective as as with your property crime detectives with East of Story and Jason a potion?

1944
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,505
Anna, when there's not cases, she's working in Brighton, will work cases here in holiday and then in in return on big snow days up

1945
01:36:11,505 --> 01:36:15,210
the Canyon.

1946
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:19,220
Uh, Easton, Jason and Dell will go up and help on the big snow days up the Canyon, help out up there as well when they need that

1947
01:36:19,220 --> 01:36:22,880
help up the.

1948
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:27,400
Up there on the big winners, maybe not so much this winter wasn't a great example to use, but other winners, there have been some,

1949
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:31,600
some doozies up there as you all know. And so again, that's some of that sharing of resources that are coming in between the

1950
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:35,800
communities here.

1951
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:39,560
Within the Unified Police Department, in addition to the shared services.

1952
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:43,320
So any questions specifically about your your precinct?

1953
01:36:44,660 --> 01:36:48,055
OK. I will turn the time over to Debbie to talk a little bit about that. But well, before we do that, let me just touch on these

1954
01:36:48,055 --> 01:36:51,450
couple of slides real quick.

1955
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:56,080
These next couple of slides, I won't get into them specifically, but you can actually see.

1956
01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:00,460
How many officers are assigned and civilians to each specific community? As you'll see here, specifically for holiday, there's a

1957
01:37:00,460 --> 01:37:04,760
total of 30.67.

1958
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:06,880
Fte's that are here.

1959
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:12,360
That includes 28.82 sworn officers, 1.85 civilians and then the 20 crossing guards. And then you can see the breakdown of

1960
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:17,760
Intermountain Health has 2.35 and on the next slide.

1961
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:22,200
You get into the Slovisa communities where Brighton has 8.48.

1962
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:28,420
You know, 8.1 of those being sworn in, the .38 being civilian, and then those are the rest of the communities that we serve as an

1963
01:37:28,420 --> 01:37:33,800
organization. You can see the actual staffing there on those. So with that, I'll turn the time over to Debbie.

1964
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:43,520
Thank you Mayor Council, I will try and talk.

1965
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:45,400
As fast as Mazda and and.

1966
01:37:46,910 --> 01:37:48,110
Justin did so.

1967
01:37:48,440 --> 01:37:49,400
On the following.

1968
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,450
If you want to go ahead and go to the next slide.

1969
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:53,160
What? Uh.

1970
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:59,560
What I will These were prepared mostly for those who are new to the organization especially.

1971
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:05,880
After the split from the Sheriff's Office. So I wanted to kind of point out what happened.

1972
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:09,600
When we had to split and what the impact was to holiday.

1973
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,480
With that so prior to the to the split.

1974
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,800
On the left hand side, we'll show you what happened.

1975
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:18,320
How it looked.

1976
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:22,880
What the change was prior and?

1977
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:28,480
What the change was after On the left hand side we've got the position changes and then on the right hand side we've.

1978
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,120
Was we'll show what the budget impact was so.

1979
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,800
On the left hand side prior to the change Holiday had.

1980
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:38,240
32.17.

1981
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:42,080
Full time equivalent positions and you can see the breakdown there between the.

1982
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:47,360
The the chief, the sergeants, the officers, and then the civilians.

1983
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,480
After the change.

1984
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:55,880
Holiday had to reduce that to 30.62, so it was a loss of 1.1.

1985
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,120
1.55.

1986
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:02,810
Full time equivalents and the reason was that we had to restructure the organization.

1987
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:04,560
In order to.

1988
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:05,280
Make it.

1989
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:06,600
Viable for.

1990
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:08,000
All of our members.

1991
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:14,800
We experienced a loss of economies when we lost the Sheriff's Office. The county used to contribute 20%.

1992
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:21,400
Into the total and that was a huge loss. And I'll I'll discuss what what those numbers were.

1993
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:28,040
But that was the impact as far as having your full-time equivalent employees.

1994
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:28,920
So.

1995
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:32,040
Debbie, just one quick question there, so.

1996
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,170
I'm not sure if it was.

1997
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:39,000
Strictly a loss of service, for example.

1998
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:46,120
We allocated a portion of, say, Chief Hoyle to Brighton, so we didn't really lose him it.

1999
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:50,520
It but it is reflected as a loss in that FTE count.

2000
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:55,640
Is that correct? And I'm glad you pointed that out because we worked very hard.

2001
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:59,800
To make sure to make sure that there were no loss, but there was number loss of service that we still continued serving all of the

2002
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:03,880
employees.

2003
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,840
And all of the communities at the same level that UPD did before the.

2004
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:17,560
The separation or what we call the divorce. And as Justin pointed out, that's why, you know, we combined all of the members, we

2005
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:24,840
broke out percentages on where they would cover and we made sure that all the services continued.

2006
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:25,680
As they were.

2007
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:26,800
Prior to that.

2008
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:28,640
This just shows.

2009
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:36,600
The the loss of positions that we experienced, but we've structured the organization so it continued functioning.

2010
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:38,320
Functioning the way it did before.

2011
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:42,040
And then on the budget impact side of it, so.

2012
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:43,720
Holiday.

2013
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:51,180
When that separation happened, they experienced an increase of 9.29% in what their membership fee was. So that was a 665,766. What

2014
01:40:51,180 --> 01:40:58,520
we lost from the county was $4.7 million.

2015
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:00,320
Holidays portion.

2016
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:04,880
Was 11.64 and I'll go over that's the shared service portion that we.

2017
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:07,160
That you guys.

2018
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:08,880
That we calculate what you're.

2019
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:10,370
Portions going to be.

2020
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:11,680
And that was.

2021
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,560
551,000.

2022
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:17,720
Of that 4.7 million.

2023
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:19,600
So you're in.

2024
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,090
Increase your actual increase.

2025
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:23,520
Had the county.

2026
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:24,760
Not left.

2027
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,680
Would have been 114,000 versus the.

2028
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:29,120
665.

2029
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,360
A holidays budget was 7.8 million.

2030
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:37,705
The portion that would have been attributed to the county was that 551,000, the 20%. Your actual cost would have been 7.2 million

2031
01:41:37,705 --> 01:41:42,570
had we not lost the county.

2032
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:50,120
The prior year cost was 7.164 for holiday so you would have only experienced a 1.5%.

2033
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:52,040
59 percent increase.

2034
01:41:52,110 --> 01:41:54,950
Had we not lost the county? And why do I bring this up?

2035
01:41:55,110 --> 01:41:56,630
Because I want to show that.

2036
01:41:58,630 --> 01:41:59,550
Even with.

2037
01:41:59,790 --> 01:42:01,550
With the county leaving.

2038
01:42:02,070 --> 01:42:08,710
We we structured the organization so you would try try not to have such a huge.

2039
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:09,790
Impact.

2040
01:42:10,030 --> 01:42:11,270
To your community.

2041
01:42:11,470 --> 01:42:13,990
And I'll show that if you go to the next page.

2042
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:18,750
We cut. I'm sorry, can you go back to the prior?

2043
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:22,230
If you look at the bottom on the right hand side there.

2044
01:42:22,350 --> 01:42:24,870
We cut $1.4 million.

2045
01:42:25,230 --> 01:42:26,110
Out of the budget.

2046
01:42:27,850 --> 01:42:32,080
We lost 4.7, we caught, we cut 1.4.

2047
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:34,470
And that included?

2048
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:35,150
The uh.

2049
01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:37,950
The reduction in the full time.

2050
01:42:38,030 --> 01:42:38,910
Equivalence, but what?

2051
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:42,470
Also included a lot of operational costs that we had to do.

2052
01:42:42,670 --> 01:42:45,350
Which would make sense because we had to downsize.

2053
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:46,830
Now if you go to the next.

2054
01:42:47,150 --> 01:42:50,310
So this was just the detail we had some requests from.

2055
01:42:50,510 --> 01:42:52,070
Some of the members to give us.

2056
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:56,430
To show them a detail of where those cuts came from. So we showed them that.

2057
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:58,590
If you can, go to the next page.

2058
01:42:59,630 --> 01:43:01,310
But because we lost.

2059
01:43:01,550 --> 01:43:04,430
The 20% from the county we also had to pick up.

2060
01:43:04,670 --> 01:43:06,070
The increase in the personnel.

2061
01:43:06,270 --> 01:43:08,150
And so that was a 2.8.

2062
01:43:08,590 --> 01:43:12,990
$1,000,000 increase. So we increased the personnel, but we cut.

2063
01:43:13,110 --> 01:43:15,440
1.4 out of operations.

2064
01:43:15,710 --> 01:43:17,550
OK, so the.

2065
01:43:17,670 --> 01:43:18,430
The net.

2066
01:43:18,710 --> 01:43:20,590
Increase was really one point.

2067
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:23,720
Approximately $101.4 million.

2068
01:43:23,950 --> 01:43:25,750
And we lost 4.7.

2069
01:43:26,110 --> 01:43:28,310
So that's why I wanted to point that out. How?

2070
01:43:28,430 --> 01:43:29,030
How? How?

2071
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:32,510
We work so hard.

2072
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:36,390
To make the cuts needed and restructure this organization.

2073
01:43:36,670 --> 01:43:40,750
To that would be manageable for all our members and still provide all the services.

2074
01:43:40,910 --> 01:43:41,350
That you.

2075
01:43:42,750 --> 01:43:47,970
Go to the next page and we'll talk about the shared service formula that Mayor Fotheringham was referring to. So the way we

2076
01:43:47,970 --> 01:43:53,190
calculate what your portion is, is we use this shared service formula.

2077
01:43:53,510 --> 01:44:00,430
And it's based on the number of cases the your population and the property valuations. 70% of it comes from the cases, 20% of it

2078
01:44:00,430 --> 01:44:07,350
is on your population and 10% of it is the property valuation. So if you look at holiday, your cases for that year were 3744 and

2079
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:14,270
that made-up 8.91% of the total.

2080
01:44:14,430 --> 01:44:19,790
OK. And then we multiply that by 70% and that gives you 6.24.

2081
01:44:19,870 --> 01:44:20,750
For your.

2082
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:23,030
Case portion.

2083
01:44:23,470 --> 01:44:25,670
Then you go to the population, which was 30.

2084
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:28,950
1816 which made-up 15 point.

2085
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:31,350
505% of the total.

2086
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:33,790
Which is that 204,000 there?

2087
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:39,030
And then multiply that by 20% and that's three-point 1%.

2088
01:44:39,110 --> 01:44:40,430
For your population.

2089
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:43,430
And then your tax value was the 5.4.

2090
01:44:43,790 --> 01:44:46,070
A million there you've got.

2091
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,800
That made-up 23.89% of the 22 million.

2092
01:44:51,230 --> 01:44:53,030
At the bottom, if you'll see there.

2093
01:44:53,110 --> 01:45:00,710
And then multiply that by 10%, which is 2.39. We Add all those together and we come up with that 11.64%.

2094
01:45:01,110 --> 01:45:04,070
So what does that? What does that mean?

2095
01:45:04,830 --> 01:45:07,630
Going on to the next slide.

2096
01:45:10,590 --> 01:45:11,630
So if you look.

2097
01:45:12,420 --> 01:45:13,760
Go to the next slide.

2098
01:45:15,410 --> 01:45:17,920
There we go. If you look at the orange section.

2099
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:21,470
This is the shared service operations. This is the one that maz.

2100
01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:23,430
Emphasizing.

2101
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:28,890
The shared service portion, the top part, the blue part is your actual precinct and that's what Justin was referring to. So for

2102
01:45:28,890 --> 01:45:34,270
your precinct, your costs were.

2103
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:35,830
I got to look down here.

2104
01:45:36,350 --> 01:45:38,470
Your costs were five point.

2105
01:45:38,590 --> 01:45:39,470
19.

2106
01:45:39,550 --> 01:45:40,870
$1,000,000.

2107
01:45:41,110 --> 01:45:47,550
And then you guys used 100%, a $100,000 of fund balance to lower that to 4.9?

2108
01:45:48,110 --> 01:45:51,040
Now we've got the shared services operations.

2109
01:45:51,150 --> 01:45:53,070
And on the right hand side you'll see that.

2110
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:54,430
On the total.

2111
01:45:54,910 --> 01:45:58,030
The total shared services was $25 million.

2112
01:45:59,230 --> 01:46:03,510
We take that 11.64% that we calculated for holiday.

2113
01:46:03,950 --> 01:46:04,750
And that.

2114
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:10,950
And we multiply it against that 25,000,000 and that shows what your breakout costs are.

2115
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:13,590
For operations, wages, benefits.

2116
01:46:13,670 --> 01:46:15,630
And overtime and then.

2117
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:22,470
We add the two together and that gives you your increase. That gives you your total, which is in the purple line.

2118
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:24,590
Which was 7.8 million for the.

2119
01:46:24,670 --> 01:46:25,430
For the year.

2120
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:26,590
And then?

2121
01:46:26,710 --> 01:46:31,600
We compare that to what you had to pay the prior year. That gives you your total increase.

2122
01:46:31,710 --> 01:46:34,030
And then what your total for?

2123
01:46:34,150 --> 01:46:39,070
Your total increase which was 665,000 and your increase was 9.29.

2124
01:46:40,020 --> 01:46:42,960
So that's what happened for a holiday for Brighton.

2125
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:45,550
Since you are here, Mayor.

2126
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:49,710
Your impact on that year going to the next page.

2127
01:46:54,020 --> 01:46:57,240
So if you'll see Brighton almost to the far right there.

2128
01:46:57,350 --> 01:47:00,630
Their calculation was 1.99%.

2129
01:47:00,790 --> 01:47:02,950
On the shared service formula.

2130
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:04,070
And then?

2131
01:47:04,350 --> 01:47:08,750
So their precinct cost was 1.3 million.

2132
01:47:09,550 --> 01:47:11,670
The shared service cost.

2133
01:47:12,150 --> 01:47:13,230
Was four point.

2134
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:22,150
89400 and 89,000. So the total for the year was $1.8 million. Their increase that year was 14.39.

2135
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:24,720
OK. Is that showing? Yeah.

2136
01:47:25,480 --> 01:47:26,480
All right, so.

2137
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:29,790
Going on because I want to make this really short.

2138
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:33,030
We didn't know what the.

2139
01:47:33,230 --> 01:47:36,295
You know, we've created the organization hoping that it would work. We knew that we would be in our first year and we would

2140
01:47:36,295 --> 01:47:39,360
reevaluate it.

2141
01:47:39,870 --> 01:47:44,080
For the next year to see what we needed to do, and that's what we did. So we did.

2142
01:47:44,230 --> 01:47:50,950
Realized that we needed to add some positions and that's what you'll see here that the additions that we had to make.

2143
01:47:51,150 --> 01:47:53,510
To kind of right size the organization.

2144
01:47:53,950 --> 01:47:57,270
And I won't go through each one of those. You can look at those later if you want.

2145
01:47:57,390 --> 01:47:58,550
Want to go move on?

2146
01:47:58,950 --> 01:48:00,030
So what we did?

2147
01:48:00,150 --> 01:48:04,750
As we had when we restructured, we had a total of 341.

2148
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:08,240
To right size the organization we had to increase it by.

2149
01:48:08,350 --> 01:48:10,390
7.25 employees.

2150
01:48:11,150 --> 01:48:12,470
And then you can see.

2151
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:14,550
Seven of those were sworn and.

2152
01:48:14,670 --> 01:48:17,190
We converted a civilian to a sworn.

2153
01:48:17,950 --> 01:48:22,390
And then we needed to hire additional 1.25 part timers.

2154
01:48:22,830 --> 01:48:23,870
You want to move on.

2155
01:48:24,270 --> 01:48:26,670
OK. And then this is the shared service formula?

2156
01:48:26,750 --> 01:48:32,790
For the year that we are in now, you can see what holidays was there it is now.

2157
01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:35,110
This all says 23 and 20.

2158
01:48:35,310 --> 01:48:37,630
4 I'm sorry.

2159
01:48:40,210 --> 01:48:41,400
So this doesn't presume.

2160
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:45,470
Current. Unless it's just misleading the data, no.

2161
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:50,510
The reason is because the most recent data we have to rely on what's out there.

2162
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:54,550
Oh, so just very great for OK for getting the percentages. Gotcha. Yeah.

2163
01:48:54,710 --> 01:49:03,910
Yeah. So this is the current year we're in now 2526. This is your shared service formula that we get the data from the.

2164
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:07,950
Population census and then we also get the data from.

2165
01:49:08,350 --> 01:49:11,030
Our department that tracks what all the cases are.

2166
01:49:11,150 --> 01:49:13,790
But we we get it for the prior year.

2167
01:49:14,110 --> 01:49:16,510
OK. So for this year.

2168
01:49:17,310 --> 01:49:20,110
Holidays portion was 11.65.

2169
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:22,550
And then Brightens was.

2170
01:49:24,940 --> 01:49:26,440
1.64.

2171
01:49:26,590 --> 01:49:29,510
OK. And then going forward you'll see again?

2172
01:49:31,230 --> 01:49:34,790
If you want to go to the next slide, it doesn't shift a ton from year to year.

2173
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:42,160
I'm sorry it doesn't shift a ton from year to year. So no. And on the cases, I'm glad you because that triggered a thought.

2174
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:43,270
On the cases.

2175
01:49:43,390 --> 01:49:46,190
It cases do change a lot.

2176
01:49:46,270 --> 01:49:49,750
From year to year and so we do a three-year average.

2177
01:49:50,150 --> 01:49:53,430
So that kind of lessens the impact to each individual member.

2178
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:56,870
So good. I'm glad you're on this page. What?

2179
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:57,630
No go back.

2180
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:58,390
Where you were.

2181
01:49:58,790 --> 01:50:00,710
So if you'll notice when we went.

2182
01:50:00,830 --> 01:50:05,710
From fiscal year 25 to fiscal year 26, you can see that the increase.

2183
01:50:06,110 --> 01:50:12,830
For holiday overall was 5.25 versus the 9.29 when we had the split.

2184
01:50:13,070 --> 01:50:13,760
I just wanted to.

2185
01:50:13,870 --> 01:50:18,160
Point that. Point that out because we are constantly trying.

2186
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:20,390
To look at.

2187
01:50:21,390 --> 01:50:23,750
At our operations.

2188
01:50:23,910 --> 01:50:25,430
Trying to reduce.

2189
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:26,230
Trying to.

2190
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:29,710
Create more efficiencies and I think you can see that as.

2191
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:32,670
As we try and lower what your increases are.

2192
01:50:32,990 --> 01:50:37,350
Every year. And so that's what this chart shows is what your increase was from.

2193
01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:39,430
The last year to.

2194
01:50:39,630 --> 01:50:40,950
What it is this year?

2195
01:50:41,310 --> 01:50:44,590
OK. And then if you'll just.

2196
01:50:44,710 --> 01:50:47,750
Keep moving. So those, again, those are the budget figures.

2197
01:50:48,430 --> 01:50:53,030
And just keep going forward because that's covering what where we are this year.

2198
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:55,630
And then going to.

2199
01:50:55,790 --> 01:50:57,350
The next slides that.

2200
01:50:57,430 --> 01:51:00,230
We will be going well, I won't be going through.

2201
01:51:00,310 --> 01:51:01,310
I just keep going.

2202
01:51:01,390 --> 01:51:02,150
Forward because.

2203
01:51:02,230 --> 01:51:05,710
There's a lot of slides here and there's a lot of information.

2204
01:51:05,870 --> 01:51:08,910
So now going forward, right there, there you go.

2205
01:51:09,110 --> 01:51:11,550
We're in. We're.

2206
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:14,630
In the process of budgeting for next year.

2207
01:51:15,630 --> 01:51:16,270
And so.

2208
01:51:16,350 --> 01:51:17,270
We.

2209
01:51:18,190 --> 01:51:19,430
As an organization.

2210
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:20,710
It was Midvale.

2211
01:51:20,830 --> 01:51:21,950
Created the.

2212
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:25,430
PBIM, what they call the PBIM budget.

2213
01:51:25,630 --> 01:51:28,950
Which is the preliminary budget increase maximum?

2214
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:30,870
So the reason that this was.

2215
01:51:31,790 --> 01:51:32,950
Created was that.

2216
01:51:33,190 --> 01:51:35,510
They were. We were trying to.

2217
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:37,430
Keep surprises.

2218
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:38,230
From happening.

2219
01:51:38,710 --> 01:51:40,070
To you guys.

2220
01:51:40,350 --> 01:51:40,950
And so.

2221
01:51:41,110 --> 01:51:44,950
That we have to start our budget process actually in.

2222
01:51:46,270 --> 01:51:50,550
December, January, because we have to get a budget to the board.

2223
01:51:50,710 --> 01:51:51,550
In March.

2224
01:51:51,950 --> 01:51:54,190
And that budget, we say to them, this is.

2225
01:51:54,270 --> 01:51:55,830
This is our ask.

2226
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:57,830
This is what we feel we need.

2227
01:51:58,230 --> 01:51:59,950
It does have things in there that.

2228
01:52:00,510 --> 01:52:01,630
Can be cut.

2229
01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:04,790
But we'll leave that, you know, we'll we'll.

2230
01:52:04,910 --> 01:52:07,710
Once you tell us, once the board tells us.

2231
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:09,590
Well, this is the maximum.

2232
01:52:09,670 --> 01:52:10,430
That we.

2233
01:52:10,670 --> 01:52:13,110
Feel comfortable with you guys.

2234
01:52:13,230 --> 01:52:14,870
Increasing the budget by.

2235
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:17,670
What we think we can handle as far as an increase.

2236
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:21,190
Then we go back and you adopt. It's adopted as.

2237
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:22,630
The PBIM.

2238
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:23,750
Budget.

2239
01:52:24,150 --> 01:52:25,710
So we took this.

2240
01:52:26,110 --> 01:52:27,030
To the board.

2241
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:31,110
At that time our ask was 5.21%.

2242
01:52:31,590 --> 01:52:33,150
The board came back and said.

2243
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:36,990
We don't want you to go any higher than 3.5%.

2244
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:39,630
With the idea that you try and.

2245
01:52:39,870 --> 01:52:41,440
Go down to 3%.

2246
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:43,270
And so we are now.

2247
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:44,630
In that process.

2248
01:52:44,910 --> 01:52:48,710
Of trying to cut this 5.21% increase.

2249
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:49,670
To 3%.

2250
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:51,390
And if you want to.

2251
01:52:52,430 --> 01:52:53,150
Move forward.

2252
01:52:53,790 --> 01:52:54,830
To the next slide.

2253
01:52:58,200 --> 01:52:58,880
So this is.

2254
01:52:58,990 --> 01:53:01,630
These are these are some of the changes that we're making.

2255
01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:03,150
And the following.

2256
01:53:03,590 --> 01:53:06,150
Slides will show you the changes that we've made.

2257
01:53:07,150 --> 01:53:13,190
If you want to go to the next, it shows what we've actually done with the wages and the benefits.

2258
01:53:13,550 --> 01:53:15,230
What's included in there?

2259
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:18,870
Reductions that we have made from the prior.

2260
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:19,950
From our.

2261
01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:22,760
Requests in the budget.

2262
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:24,910
Just keep on going.

2263
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:30,430
Capital expenditures. This is a detail of the capital expenditures that we are asking for now.

2264
01:53:31,710 --> 01:53:32,350
Every.

2265
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:37,470
Precinct and the shared services has a general fund or has a fund balance.

2266
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:39,430
We are asking the board.

2267
01:53:40,110 --> 01:53:41,310
We are telling the board that.

2268
01:53:41,390 --> 01:53:43,710
We feel comfortable being able to cup.

2269
01:53:44,150 --> 01:53:46,110
Cover these capital expenditures.

2270
01:53:46,270 --> 01:53:50,030
Out of the general fund's fund balance and then that way it won't be an impact.

2271
01:53:50,510 --> 01:53:52,750
To you, the board has said.

2272
01:53:53,310 --> 01:53:57,110
They would like the fund balance to be used for these one time expenses.

2273
01:53:57,470 --> 01:54:00,920
It's helpful for you because it reduces what you have to pay.

2274
01:54:01,470 --> 01:54:02,590
Into the.

2275
01:54:03,070 --> 01:54:04,710
Into the organization.

2276
01:54:04,830 --> 01:54:07,230
And so we but we list to you what those.

2277
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:09,070
Capital projects are.

2278
01:54:09,590 --> 01:54:11,510
And and explain why we need them.

2279
01:54:11,870 --> 01:54:14,190
OK, we did get.

2280
01:54:15,230 --> 01:54:20,070
When we had the separation from the Sheriff's Office, we had to move out of the Sheriff's Office building.

2281
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:22,710
And out of the.

2282
01:54:23,230 --> 01:54:26,230
The grace of your hearts you let us move into.

2283
01:54:26,350 --> 01:54:27,750
Each one of your.

2284
01:54:28,230 --> 01:54:30,390
Buildings we kind of separated.

2285
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:34,710
With the intent that we would eventually try and find a building where we could.

2286
01:54:34,910 --> 01:54:36,190
I'll be under.

2287
01:54:37,150 --> 01:54:39,710
Unified roof again.

2288
01:54:40,150 --> 01:54:41,750
Right now we do have.

2289
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:44,070
What we call the logistics building, it's.

2290
01:54:44,190 --> 01:54:46,030
A an old school.

2291
01:54:46,390 --> 01:54:47,190
That granite.

2292
01:54:47,310 --> 01:54:49,390
Has agreed to let us lease.

2293
01:54:49,630 --> 01:54:51,070
As you cop.

2294
01:54:51,190 --> 01:54:54,870
Can can guess. We've got to make a lot of changes to it.

2295
01:54:55,230 --> 01:54:58,600
And so that's where a lot of the capital project.

2296
01:54:58,750 --> 01:55:00,110
Expenses are going to.

2297
01:55:00,190 --> 01:55:01,070
This year.

2298
01:55:01,630 --> 01:55:04,550
Again, this just shows a breakout of what your.

2299
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:12,990
Was at the time that we adopted the PBIM. These numbers have since changed and we will bring those forward to you.

2300
01:55:13,110 --> 01:55:15,990
When or bring those forward to the board.

2301
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:17,110
When we.

2302
01:55:17,790 --> 01:55:19,270
Present the tentative budget.

2303
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:21,520
OK, keep going.

2304
01:55:22,550 --> 01:55:26,550
These are they asked. The board asked. Well, what can be cut from the budget budget and what can't be. So we listed the items that

2305
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:30,550
can't be.

2306
01:55:30,710 --> 01:55:35,510
Cut from the budget, they adopted an IT associate director.

2307
01:55:36,030 --> 01:55:40,310
They approved that position. We've got grant positions that are funded through grants.

2308
01:55:40,750 --> 01:55:42,750
So we can't eliminate those.

2309
01:55:44,510 --> 01:55:48,430
That actually that part-time civilian employee has been eliminated.

2310
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:50,270
As you know.

2311
01:55:50,350 --> 01:55:54,950
Are we pay into the Utah retirement system, but they tell us what those rates are.

2312
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:56,390
So we can't change that.

2313
01:55:57,030 --> 01:56:01,320
Health insurance, it did come in at 15% and we reduced that to 12%.

2314
01:56:01,710 --> 01:56:02,470
And then the back.

2315
01:56:02,590 --> 01:56:05,280
Contract that is the Valley emergency.

2316
01:56:05,430 --> 01:56:08,110
Communication center. It's a dispatch center.

2317
01:56:08,430 --> 01:56:11,150
They they also submit a budget to us.

2318
01:56:11,790 --> 01:56:15,470
We do negotiations with them and then they come back and say this is what the final.

2319
01:56:15,670 --> 01:56:16,990
Contracts going to be.

2320
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:20,590
So that we have, we have been given that figure and that's a fixed cost.

2321
01:56:20,990 --> 01:56:24,350
And then again at the logistics building we had to put in.

2322
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:25,870
Sprinkling system.

2323
01:56:25,950 --> 01:56:27,630
Indoor sprinkling system.

2324
01:56:27,790 --> 01:56:31,720
We have a final bill of 250,000 outstanding that we need to pay.

2325
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:32,830
OK.

2326
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:37,550
You want to and then what can we change?

2327
01:56:38,190 --> 01:56:39,870
So these are the things we've got a.

2328
01:56:40,510 --> 01:56:43,400
A full time watch command Lieutenant position in there.

2329
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:45,230
If the board chose to, we would.

2330
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:53,910
And and or recommend that maybe we want to look at cutting that we have a placeholder for a full time investigations detective.

2331
01:56:54,110 --> 01:56:57,790
This does include a 2.5% cost of living increase.

2332
01:56:57,870 --> 01:57:01,950
It includes the Civilian market study adjustment for the civilians.

2333
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:08,990
And that comes at a cost of 111,000. And then of course, the capital expenditures, they can be reduced.

2334
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:10,830
But again, that wouldn't be an.

2335
01:57:10,950 --> 01:57:13,710
Impact to you because it's being paid for out of the fund balance.

2336
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:18,110
OK. And then moving forward?

2337
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:22,630
As I stated, we'll be using the fund balance to cover the capital projects.

2338
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:28,910
We are looking at the fee schedule to see if we need to increase some of the fees. We do believe that we do. We do.

2339
01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:31,150
Feel that we have to increase some of those.

2340
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:32,150
It was.

2341
01:57:32,390 --> 01:57:35,150
A fee schedule that included the Sheriff's Department.

2342
01:57:35,270 --> 01:57:37,870
Fees, we are eliminating those.

2343
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:42,910
We are still continuing to address budget items that can be changed and.

2344
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:44,710
I don't know if.

2345
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:46,510
I don't want to steal massive Thunder.

2346
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:49,870
We right now are getting close to.

2347
01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:51,590
That 3%.

2348
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:53,720
Figure.

2349
01:57:56,140 --> 01:57:56,940
That's all I have.

2350
01:57:57,510 --> 01:57:58,470
And I believe we.

2351
01:57:58,550 --> 01:57:59,350
Did that without.

2352
01:57:59,470 --> 01:58:00,150
Touching the.

2353
01:58:00,470 --> 01:58:05,190
2.5 cola for the civilian, so 2.5% is still in there.

2354
01:58:05,310 --> 01:58:06,950
We did not. We opted not to.

2355
01:58:07,030 --> 01:58:09,510
Stick it to our officers at all, but rather just look at the.

2356
01:58:10,270 --> 01:58:10,910
You know.

2357
01:58:11,510 --> 01:58:12,790
Optional spending issues.

2358
01:58:12,910 --> 01:58:14,910
Yes, and the civilian market study is?

2359
01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:16,750
Adjustment is still in there.

2360
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:20,720
So that's just a quick overview of.

2361
01:58:21,310 --> 01:58:22,190
So we're dealing with.

2362
01:58:22,670 --> 01:58:23,870
A prior year budget.

2363
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:24,990
Current year budget.

2364
01:58:25,110 --> 01:58:26,230
And moving forward.

2365
01:58:26,870 --> 01:58:28,390
Thank you for all of that work. That's.

2366
01:58:28,750 --> 01:58:29,150
Lot.

2367
01:58:30,510 --> 01:58:31,030
And it.

2368
01:58:31,190 --> 01:58:32,510
I'm trying to summarize it as.

2369
01:58:34,070 --> 01:58:39,150
OK, regarding the, I might have mentioned this before. I've mentioned it in.

2370
01:58:39,230 --> 01:58:41,070
And UPD board meeting and that is a.

2371
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:43,070
Regarding this logistics center.

2372
01:58:44,590 --> 01:58:46,470
They we.

2373
01:58:47,070 --> 01:58:49,070
You saw that increase when we had the.

2374
01:58:49,190 --> 01:58:52,590
Course divorce. We've lost a lot of economies of scale there was a cost to.

2375
01:58:52,710 --> 01:58:53,950
Having to replicate.

2376
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:55,670
You know a lot of services that.

2377
01:58:55,950 --> 01:58:57,950
Were shared with the county.

2378
01:59:00,550 --> 01:59:05,910
But this new logistics center operating out of Kearns High School?

2379
01:59:06,070 --> 01:59:06,990
Kerns Elementary.

2380
01:59:08,990 --> 01:59:09,710
The amount of.

2381
01:59:10,270 --> 01:59:13,710
Personal elbow grease that's going into that center by.

2382
01:59:13,950 --> 01:59:15,830
Our officers as opposed to.

2383
01:59:15,950 --> 01:59:18,430
Contracting it out, I mean, there's have to do some common.

2384
01:59:18,550 --> 01:59:19,790
Professional contract work.

2385
01:59:19,870 --> 01:59:22,270
But so much of it when I was out there touring.

2386
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:23,750
Tearing up carpets and.

2387
01:59:24,110 --> 01:59:24,630
And.

2388
01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:26,990
Preparing, you know, the evidence racks.

2389
01:59:27,190 --> 01:59:30,110
It was our staff just putting in their own elbow grease.

2390
01:59:30,430 --> 01:59:32,030
And so I thought the.

2391
01:59:32,150 --> 01:59:34,310
The that.

2392
01:59:34,710 --> 01:59:35,750
Necessary.

2393
01:59:36,110 --> 01:59:37,590
Facility is being.

2394
01:59:37,710 --> 01:59:38,750
Constructed uh.

2395
01:59:39,430 --> 01:59:41,510
For UPD but for us.

2396
01:59:41,710 --> 01:59:43,310
But in such a manner that's really.

2397
01:59:44,370 --> 01:59:48,520
Saving us a lot of money in terms of the dedication of the organization for.

2398
01:59:49,230 --> 01:59:50,190
Providing value.

2399
01:59:50,270 --> 01:59:51,550
Even if it means.

2400
01:59:51,630 --> 01:59:53,880
They roll up their sleeves and do it themselves. It was just.

2401
01:59:53,950 --> 01:59:55,070
Super impressed by that.

2402
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:57,080
We're getting great value.

2403
02:00:01,150 --> 02:00:01,430
OK.

2404
02:00:02,870 --> 02:00:03,950
Anything else for you?

2405
02:00:06,010 --> 02:00:06,640
Thank you, Debbie.

2406
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:07,270
Thanks, Chief.

2407
02:00:07,630 --> 02:00:08,670
Appreciate it very much.

2408
02:00:09,990 --> 02:00:13,310
OK, there's nothing else with UPD. Let's move on to Christian.

2409
02:00:26,210 --> 02:00:27,600
Mayor John, come anytime.

2410
02:00:27,990 --> 02:00:28,590
Glad to have you.

2411
02:00:31,230 --> 02:00:34,770
OK, Good evening, Mayor and Council. A lot of this information should be pretty familiar to the council. We've had discussions

2412
02:00:34,770 --> 02:00:38,310
relatively recently about a lot of it.

2413
02:00:39,150 --> 02:00:44,550
We do have some new information, so I'll try to keep it brief, but I really want to make space for the Council's discussion.

2414
02:00:44,750 --> 02:00:46,350
And as well as to get feedback on.

2415
02:00:46,430 --> 02:00:48,510
The direction the Council would like us to take.

2416
02:00:49,810 --> 02:00:50,760
Let me go next slide.

2417
02:00:51,110 --> 02:00:56,755
So this should look pretty familiar. We're just comparing our revenue mix 10 years ago compared to what we're estimating for 2027.

2418
02:00:56,755 --> 02:01:02,400
You can see we've maintained a really solid structure where we're split into three major categories are.

2419
02:01:02,550 --> 02:01:04,550
Miscellaneous franchise fees.

2420
02:01:04,990 --> 02:01:09,750
Building permits, that sort of thing. And then we have sales tax and we have property tax and this is a really.

2421
02:01:09,870 --> 02:01:12,150
Healthy mix, which the city of holiday is.

2422
02:01:12,510 --> 02:01:13,590
Maintained in a Really.

2423
02:01:13,670 --> 02:01:14,510
Solid way.

2424
02:01:15,350 --> 02:01:16,110
Go next.

2425
02:01:17,390 --> 02:01:22,930
This is sales tax, which is a conversation that's always ongoing. Fiscal year 26 so far is actually trending up a little bit

2426
02:01:22,930 --> 02:01:28,470
higher than what we had originally anticipated, which is really solid.

2427
02:01:28,950 --> 02:01:32,030
We have received some information that may indicate you know.

2428
02:01:32,750 --> 02:01:37,550
It may not be indicative of a long term trend in terms of sales tax growth, but it is.

2429
02:01:37,790 --> 02:01:41,270
It is still a positive trend, which is something we're grateful for.

2430
02:01:41,670 --> 02:01:43,590
But we are trying to maintain.

2431
02:01:43,870 --> 02:01:44,830
A certain level of.

2432
02:01:45,070 --> 02:01:48,950
Being conservative when we're estimating for the 2027 budget as well, I think currently we're estimating about a 3% increase in

2433
02:01:48,950 --> 02:01:52,830
sales tax, so.

2434
02:01:53,070 --> 02:01:54,510
Trying to keep it conservative but.

2435
02:01:54,630 --> 02:01:56,870
There is some stuff to be optimistic about as well.

2436
02:01:58,090 --> 02:02:00,850
Next, this is an important element.

2437
02:02:01,550 --> 02:02:04,430
Regarding fiscal Year 27 specifically.

2438
02:02:04,630 --> 02:02:11,210
We do have a few major projects specifically at Royal Holiday Hills, which will be completed in fiscal year 27, which will result

2439
02:02:11,210 --> 02:02:17,790
in a pretty large spike in building permit and plan check fees that we're anticipating in 2027.

2440
02:02:18,140 --> 02:02:24,020
And we would urge the council to really view this spike as a one time thing, not something that's likely to be.

2441
02:02:24,420 --> 02:02:27,300
You know, continued into fiscal year 2028 or beyond.

2442
02:02:27,700 --> 02:02:29,420
Just those major projects that.

2443
02:02:29,660 --> 02:02:32,060
Hopefully will be completed in 2027.

2444
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:36,350
Because that type of revenue also comes with.

2445
02:02:36,820 --> 02:02:40,220
Cost, right, it does. So is the revenue goes down.

2446
02:02:40,300 --> 02:02:41,260
Related costs.

2447
02:02:41,460 --> 02:02:42,220
Also go down.

2448
02:02:42,540 --> 02:02:45,660
That that is something that we're monitoring as well.

2449
02:02:46,060 --> 02:02:47,340
The major thing is our.

2450
02:02:47,580 --> 02:02:51,500
Contracted inspection services and that is a topic that.

2451
02:02:51,620 --> 02:02:56,180
We're going to talk about more as the budget process goes on. There's been some discussion about.

2452
02:02:56,540 --> 02:02:57,260
Do we want to?

2453
02:02:57,340 --> 02:02:59,030
Consider moving away from.

2454
02:02:59,460 --> 02:03:03,060
Doing a fully contracted inspection service in addition to our.

2455
02:03:03,420 --> 02:03:07,540
Our in-house inspector and moving to an additional employee, but that's a conversation.

2456
02:03:07,660 --> 02:03:09,740
We'll definitely be having down the road.

2457
02:03:11,220 --> 02:03:13,300
General information about property tax.

2458
02:03:14,260 --> 02:03:16,180
We are anticipating.

2459
02:03:16,260 --> 02:03:20,700
Eight and a half, $1,000,000 in fiscal year 27, about a $57,000 increase and that is just from new growth that we're expecting to

2460
02:03:20,700 --> 02:03:25,140
see in 2027.

2461
02:03:25,740 --> 02:03:28,900
There are some changes on the legislature level for property tax increases, which I've previously mentioned to the Council and I

2462
02:03:28,900 --> 02:03:32,060
won't.

2463
02:03:32,140 --> 02:03:34,300
Go into too much detail on the major thing is.

2464
02:03:34,660 --> 02:03:35,860
We need to have.

2465
02:03:36,860 --> 02:03:41,820
Some information figured out prior to our first council meeting in May, if that's the direction the council wants to take.

2466
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:43,910
Can go next.

2467
02:03:44,900 --> 02:03:47,710
This was the analysis that I was asked to put together.

2468
02:03:47,860 --> 02:03:52,150
Looking at a couple different scenarios for property tax increases, 1 was the.

2469
02:03:52,260 --> 02:03:56,580
In the amount of the largest LBA debt service payment and the other was looking at.

2470
02:03:56,820 --> 02:03:59,860
The two most recent years of inflation.

2471
02:03:59,980 --> 02:04:02,140
Just so happened they were almost identical.

2472
02:04:02,580 --> 02:04:03,540
And they were about.

2473
02:04:04,220 --> 02:04:08,260
5.7% and it would have resulted in about 43 dollars.

2474
02:04:08,420 --> 02:04:10,180
Per year increase to an average homeown.

2475
02:04:10,580 --> 02:04:14,910
In the city of holiday and would generate about $490,000 of revenue for the city.

2476
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:17,190
You can go next.

2477
02:04:18,260 --> 02:04:19,980
Back on that lease payment, yeah.

2478
02:04:22,490 --> 02:04:23,750
Does that represent?

2479
02:04:23,860 --> 02:04:25,860
A full year.

2480
02:04:26,060 --> 02:04:28,940
Payment. Or does that represent a partial? Or does that represent a?

2481
02:04:29,780 --> 02:04:31,900
A. A payment where we've.

2482
02:04:32,650 --> 02:04:33,950
That we've massaged.

2483
02:04:34,700 --> 02:04:36,100
To be lower to.

2484
02:04:36,180 --> 02:04:36,740
Look at our.

2485
02:04:36,860 --> 02:04:38,340
Full debt schedule.

2486
02:04:38,460 --> 02:04:40,180
Yes, that's the case. So the.

2487
02:04:40,380 --> 02:04:44,020
LBA Bond The 2025 lba bond was structured such that.

2488
02:04:44,300 --> 02:04:49,540
There were lower payments in the earlier years and the larger payments in. So that's a full year.

2489
02:04:49,940 --> 02:04:56,430
From the schedule standpoint, largest dollar amount impact from the highest year. So this is it just so happened once the.

2490
02:04:56,820 --> 02:04:58,220
Other bond drops off.

2491
02:04:58,740 --> 02:05:03,180
The net effect of the total debt service payment is lower, so this is actually.

2492
02:05:03,300 --> 02:05:04,380
The debt service payment.

2493
02:05:04,460 --> 02:05:05,060
From.

2494
02:05:05,140 --> 02:05:06,460
One of the first years.

2495
02:05:06,740 --> 02:05:10,325
Because that was the highest dollar amount impact from year to year, if that makes sense. So once the other bond drops off, the

2496
02:05:10,325 --> 02:05:13,910
total dollar amount is actually.

2497
02:05:14,020 --> 02:05:14,700
Lower umm.

2498
02:05:16,220 --> 02:05:19,140
Does that make total dollar of the total of both bonds?

2499
02:05:19,300 --> 02:05:21,380
Of both bonds, right? But this is.

2500
02:05:22,190 --> 02:05:23,310
Just the 1 bond.

2501
02:05:23,460 --> 02:05:27,420
Yes, the new, just the new bond and this is just the interest on.

2502
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:30,540
The new bond in the first few years because I was looking at.

2503
02:05:30,620 --> 02:05:32,940
The highest dollar amount impact across.

2504
02:05:33,100 --> 02:05:34,300
Both, while we have both.

2505
02:05:34,420 --> 02:05:35,500
Does that make sense?

2506
02:05:36,020 --> 02:05:42,500
It's so we have right now we have the 2025 bond and we have our other bond that's going to be dropping off.

2507
02:05:42,820 --> 02:05:46,580
And while we have both of those, that's the highest dollar amount, even though the LBA bond is structured such that the amount is

2508
02:05:46,580 --> 02:05:50,340
lower in these years.

2509
02:05:50,500 --> 02:05:52,260
Once that other debt drops off.

2510
02:05:52,420 --> 02:05:58,420
And the LBA bond picks up its larger amount, it's still going to be total value is going to be less than lower.

2511
02:05:58,620 --> 02:06:01,420
Than having both in the first few years so.

2512
02:06:01,540 --> 02:06:04,460
I did it this way just because this was the highest dollar amount.

2513
02:06:04,820 --> 02:06:06,340
Of debt service when we had.

2514
02:06:06,460 --> 02:06:07,020
Both.

2515
02:06:07,300 --> 02:06:11,860
That makes sense. I can I can get more detail on that to you if you're curious.

2516
02:06:11,940 --> 02:06:13,550
I just noted that when I think about it.

2517
02:06:13,620 --> 02:06:14,180
You know what?

2518
02:06:14,580 --> 02:06:17,820
20 year categorization on a bond that size at the rate of.

2519
02:06:18,100 --> 02:06:18,900
Seems a little low.

2520
02:06:19,140 --> 02:06:20,780
Then I remembered how we.

2521
02:06:21,140 --> 02:06:24,060
We're doing the massaging where we're doing lower in the front end.

2522
02:06:24,140 --> 02:06:27,220
And so I want that's what I want to get clarification on is that's.

2523
02:06:27,900 --> 02:06:29,540
Not a full bond payment.

2524
02:06:29,660 --> 02:06:35,180
Right. With a straight line amortization that's correct. And if we were to look at it like?

2525
02:06:35,620 --> 02:06:39,980
Just ignoring the fact that the other debt was dropping off, it's closer to 1,000,000.

2526
02:06:40,620 --> 02:06:44,420
And that is an analysis I could put together if the Council is interested in seeing that.

2527
02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:49,790
I was just trying to take into account the fact that that other bond would be dropping off with.

2528
02:06:49,900 --> 02:06:54,660
With this figure. So can you remind me when the other bond is dropping off? I believe it's 2032.

2529
02:06:54,820 --> 02:06:55,660
OK, Yeah.

2530
02:06:56,580 --> 02:06:56,900
Yeah.

2531
02:06:57,620 --> 02:06:58,380
Not too long, but.

2532
02:06:58,900 --> 02:06:59,860
That is, it is.

2533
02:07:01,060 --> 02:07:02,140
And we can continue and I.

2534
02:07:02,500 --> 02:07:03,980
I have done another.

2535
02:07:04,380 --> 02:07:07,020
Very similar analysis to this considering.

2536
02:07:07,420 --> 02:07:10,140
15 to 17% increase, which we can.

2537
02:07:10,220 --> 02:07:13,100
We'll talk about that a little bit later in the presentation.

2538
02:07:13,620 --> 02:07:15,700
I'm going to go next, and that's actually right here.

2539
02:07:16,380 --> 02:07:18,980
So this top graph here I wanted to.

2540
02:07:19,100 --> 02:07:20,860
Just illustrate to the Council.

2541
02:07:20,980 --> 02:07:24,780
The top graph here, the orange line and the green line, those are both. They're indicating the same thing. The orange line is the

2542
02:07:24,780 --> 02:07:28,580
average.

2543
02:07:28,900 --> 02:07:33,740
Year over year increase in our three major contracted services. That's UPD UFA.

2544
02:07:34,020 --> 02:07:38,260
And the county public works contract. So basically I just said over the last 10 years.

2545
02:07:38,340 --> 02:07:39,700
How much has this gone up on?

2546
02:07:39,860 --> 02:07:41,740
Coverage and I projected that out.

2547
02:07:41,860 --> 02:07:46,100
And the green line is just the median if you prefer average or median. I just included both.

2548
02:07:46,900 --> 02:07:51,500
So the top graph is considering, OK, what if we just did a 5.75% increase in fiscal year 27? And the main thing I'm trying to

2549
02:07:51,500 --> 02:07:56,100
communicate with this is that.

2550
02:07:57,060 --> 02:08:01,020
And this, this kind of goes into another conversation, but I'll, I'll get to that in a minute, but.

2551
02:08:02,110 --> 02:08:07,510
If the Council decided to do a 5.75% increase in 27 with the consideration and.

2552
02:08:07,980 --> 02:08:09,900
The thought that in 2028.

2553
02:08:10,020 --> 02:08:10,620
That would.

2554
02:08:10,860 --> 02:08:16,430
Prevent a need for an increase in 2028 without using fund balance, that wouldn't necessarily be the case.

2555
02:08:18,260 --> 02:08:20,030
Those 3 contracted services.

2556
02:08:20,180 --> 02:08:24,980
Increase between 6 and 700,000 per year.

2557
02:08:25,060 --> 02:08:26,620
And if we were to do a 5%?

2558
02:08:26,740 --> 02:08:30,600
Increase that would generate around 490,000 of revenue. So if we assume this year we're roughly budget neutral, revenues and

2559
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:34,460
expenses are the same.

2560
02:08:35,180 --> 02:08:38,910
And then just those contracted services increased by 700,000.

2561
02:08:39,580 --> 02:08:43,620
A $400,000 increase in 2027 isn't going to be enough.

2562
02:08:43,700 --> 02:08:44,700
To cover.

2563
02:08:44,900 --> 02:08:49,540
The operating expense if we're under the impression we're intending to use fund balance in the following year.

2564
02:08:49,900 --> 02:08:51,140
That could work, but.

2565
02:08:51,580 --> 02:08:53,340
What I'm really trying to communicate is that.

2566
02:08:54,020 --> 02:08:57,980
If we were trying to avoid a property tax increase and avoid using fund balance in 2028, we would need to do a larger increase

2567
02:08:57,980 --> 02:09:01,940
than 5.75%.

2568
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:04,310
With that being said.

2569
02:09:04,500 --> 02:09:06,820
I have received new information from UPD.

2570
02:09:07,580 --> 02:09:09,700
Specifically regarding the PBIM.

2571
02:09:10,340 --> 02:09:11,540
And we received.

2572
02:09:11,620 --> 02:09:16,660
Tentative new numbers subject to change, but based off of those new numbers I have received.

2573
02:09:16,820 --> 02:09:18,540
My current budget is showing.

2574
02:09:18,620 --> 02:09:22,980
Revenues and excessive expenses in 2027 of about 22,000.

2575
02:09:23,180 --> 02:09:23,780
So.

2576
02:09:23,860 --> 02:09:27,340
In 2027, we're not anticipating the expenses will be.

2577
02:09:27,460 --> 02:09:29,460
Greater than revenue at this point.

2578
02:09:30,140 --> 02:09:32,190
That is subject to change, assuming.

2579
02:09:32,300 --> 02:09:33,420
Things remain as they.

2580
02:09:33,660 --> 02:09:37,700
Are today, which you know by the end of the sentence they they could be different.

2581
02:09:38,940 --> 02:09:42,340
So just as we currently stand, that's where we're at.

2582
02:09:42,740 --> 02:09:45,740
Christian, I want to just make sure that I'm understanding what you're saying.

2583
02:09:45,860 --> 02:09:49,140
So what you're saying is?

2584
02:09:49,220 --> 02:09:52,980
Because when we had talked before, we were kind of like, we could do it. This year we could do.

2585
02:09:53,100 --> 02:09:55,980
Next year and it would roughly be the same, but it sounds like.

2586
02:09:56,700 --> 02:09:58,300
What you're saying is is.

2587
02:09:58,420 --> 02:10:02,260
If we don't do it this year, we do it next year, it's going to need to be a little bit more.

2588
02:10:02,460 --> 02:10:04,180
Next year, am I understanding?

2589
02:10:04,300 --> 02:10:05,380
Right, so.

2590
02:10:06,060 --> 02:10:09,160
And and that's really what I'm trying to get at with this analysis. So I'll go over the next two graphs and then if I still

2591
02:10:09,160 --> 02:10:12,260
haven't answered that question, we can.

2592
02:10:12,380 --> 02:10:13,380
Come back to it, OK?

2593
02:10:14,220 --> 02:10:19,220
So the middle graph here is assuming OK, the Council wants to adopt a policy of doing.

2594
02:10:19,380 --> 02:10:21,420
You know, roughly a three to five.

2595
02:10:21,500 --> 02:10:27,030
Percent increase every single year and you can see if we're doing a three to 5% increase every single year.

2596
02:10:27,140 --> 02:10:29,900
That keeps the contracted services increases.

2597
02:10:30,060 --> 02:10:30,620
And.

2598
02:10:30,740 --> 02:10:35,380
The property tax increases relatively consistent and this is this is.

2599
02:10:35,460 --> 02:10:40,590
Taking out a lot of factors, right? This is ignoring that sales tax increases year over year. This is ignoring.

2600
02:10:40,740 --> 02:10:43,140
We have other expenses that increase year over year.

2601
02:10:43,260 --> 02:10:48,660
What I'm really trying to illustrate here is our major costs are increasing at a rate that's greater than inflation and it's also

2602
02:10:48,660 --> 02:10:54,060
increasing at a rate that's greater than just doing a 5% increase every three years.

2603
02:10:55,860 --> 02:10:57,020
Or even every two years.

2604
02:10:57,140 --> 02:10:58,540
Or every two years, right?

2605
02:10:58,780 --> 02:11:00,670
And then the bottom graph here.

2606
02:11:00,860 --> 02:11:02,900
Is looking at a scenario where.

2607
02:11:03,060 --> 02:11:05,180
Previous councils have sort of communicated that.

2608
02:11:05,340 --> 02:11:06,780
We're interested in doing.

2609
02:11:07,140 --> 02:11:10,060
A 15 to 16% increase every three years.

2610
02:11:10,300 --> 02:11:16,310
So the blue line is the property taxes and you can see in 2028 if we did a 17% increase, we would.

2611
02:11:16,540 --> 02:11:21,140
You know be trending above what these major contracted services are and then in 2029 we would be about the same and then in 2020

2612
02:11:21,140 --> 02:11:25,740
thirty, we'd be slightly below.

2613
02:11:26,140 --> 02:11:28,060
So we would have a year we're above.

2614
02:11:28,100 --> 02:11:30,460
A year where we're about the same and then a year where we're below.

2615
02:11:30,580 --> 02:11:33,540
So I don't believe that any of these.

2616
02:11:33,900 --> 02:11:36,300
The middle graph or the bottom graph or?

2617
02:11:36,420 --> 02:11:39,500
Necessarily a wrong direction for the Council to take.

2618
02:11:39,900 --> 02:11:43,860
And every year is unique and every year the council gets to make a decision on.

2619
02:11:44,300 --> 02:11:46,540
Do we want to consider a property tax increase?

2620
02:11:47,060 --> 02:11:48,260
What we're really looking forward.

2621
02:11:48,380 --> 02:11:52,420
Is specifically direction for this year and then also maybe some direction on what?

2622
02:11:52,820 --> 02:11:57,820
The Council would like to see in subsequent years, like what sort of philosophy would we like to have?

2623
02:11:59,180 --> 02:12:04,390
With that being said, the 17% increase to an average homeowner if we were to do it in 2028.

2624
02:12:04,500 --> 02:12:06,820
Would be roughly 130,000 or.

2625
02:12:06,940 --> 02:12:12,060
Excuse me, $130.00 per year. Hello. Yeah, 100. That would be pretty. Hey.

2626
02:12:12,220 --> 02:12:14,060
We could put a pool on the roof.

2627
02:12:16,830 --> 02:12:20,150
And then in 2031, a 17% increase would be 100 and.

2628
02:12:20,540 --> 02:12:21,980
$52 so.

2629
02:12:22,660 --> 02:12:26,200
That's also to keep in mind every year you do an increase the percentage the dollar amount of the average homeowner is higher

2630
02:12:26,200 --> 02:12:29,740
because it is compounding on.

2631
02:12:29,820 --> 02:12:30,980
Those increases?

2632
02:12:32,260 --> 02:12:34,220
Did that answer your question, Councilman Gray?

2633
02:12:36,010 --> 02:12:37,950
I think so. I just seem so thinking sure.

2634
02:12:38,380 --> 02:12:40,700
Sure. I don't think math is fast as you do.

2635
02:12:42,300 --> 02:12:44,700
I just think in spreadsheets. I don't know that I think in math.

2636
02:12:46,900 --> 02:12:51,100
We can go, well, I think the next graph we're actually going into the stormwater feed was there.

2637
02:12:51,420 --> 02:12:58,580
Oh, actually this was where we wanted to talk about some of the alternatives with the new information we've received from.

2638
02:12:58,860 --> 02:13:04,940
UPD. Some of these are a little bit more moot than they were when we gave this original presentation, because the expenses have.

2639
02:13:05,060 --> 02:13:08,500
Come down to the point where we do have revenues in excess, we wouldn't have to.

2640
02:13:08,660 --> 02:13:10,180
Pull some of these levers.

2641
02:13:10,620 --> 02:13:14,860
Depending on, you know, where those budgeted numbers end up finalized.

2642
02:13:15,140 --> 02:13:21,700
We could still utilize some of these or we may be end up in a position where we have a small contribution to fund balance in 27.

2643
02:13:22,140 --> 02:13:26,020
At this point, it's hard to say until we get those, you know, finalized numbers.

2644
02:13:26,140 --> 02:13:29,860
But those options still exist if the Council is interested in them.

2645
02:13:33,540 --> 02:13:35,300
Gina, do you have anything you'd like to add?

2646
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:41,990
I think the the good news from this evening is that.

2647
02:13:43,860 --> 02:13:44,620
A The budget.

2648
02:13:44,700 --> 02:13:46,500
For this upcoming year.

2649
02:13:47,020 --> 02:13:48,060
Can be balanced.

2650
02:13:48,140 --> 02:13:50,900
In absence of a property tax increase.

2651
02:13:51,660 --> 02:13:53,860
If that's the Council's direction.

2652
02:13:54,500 --> 02:13:55,460
But umm.

2653
02:13:56,100 --> 02:13:59,580
And that remains totally your prerogative.

2654
02:14:01,260 --> 02:14:02,620
We would love.

2655
02:14:02,820 --> 02:14:09,460
Some your thoughts on that overall direction that Christian is pointing to?

2656
02:14:09,540 --> 02:14:10,340
As far as?

2657
02:14:10,460 --> 02:14:12,060
How frequently we want.

2658
02:14:12,420 --> 02:14:13,180
To have property.

2659
02:14:15,940 --> 02:14:20,260
So are we revisiting? Because I think the last time we had this discussion, it was the idea that.

2660
02:14:20,460 --> 02:14:27,060
We wanted to look at it every kind of every three years, which was what the Utah State was the Utah State Tax commissioner, Texan.

2661
02:14:27,260 --> 02:14:33,420
They recommend Taxpayers Association, Taxpayers Association they recommended every three years. So are we wanting to revisit?

2662
02:14:33,580 --> 02:14:34,860
That is that the question.

2663
02:14:35,180 --> 02:14:36,620
That is the question, yeah.

2664
02:14:39,490 --> 02:14:40,310
Because I think.

2665
02:14:40,380 --> 02:14:43,500
Three years would it would be a larger number.

2666
02:14:45,970 --> 02:14:48,350
But the larger number being the one presented in the.

2667
02:14:48,940 --> 02:14:50,100
17%.

2668
02:14:50,460 --> 02:14:53,180
Range ish right? And and that's really.

2669
02:14:53,300 --> 02:14:56,405
A complete estimate at this point, it's really difficult to project what 2028 exactly? You don't know what the inflation rates

2670
02:14:56,405 --> 02:14:59,510
going to be.

2671
02:14:59,940 --> 02:15:01,220
And so it's a.

2672
02:15:02,370 --> 02:15:06,750
Yeah, it is what it is, whatever it is in three years or every 3rd year.

2673
02:15:07,140 --> 02:15:07,500
Yeah.

2674
02:15:09,300 --> 02:15:11,380
Short of, you know, other sort of just.

2675
02:15:11,460 --> 02:15:13,940
Major things that come along that require that.

2676
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:16,790
Attention sooner for instance, if we.

2677
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:20,950
At the public works scenario, that's going to require larger capital investment.

2678
02:15:21,060 --> 02:15:21,900
You needed to.

2679
02:15:22,700 --> 02:15:24,980
Change that schedule if you have a major capital.

2680
02:15:25,100 --> 02:15:26,940
Investment requirement because.

2681
02:15:27,020 --> 02:15:28,860
Our larger environment has changed.

2682
02:15:29,580 --> 02:15:30,540
And that could happen.

2683
02:15:32,110 --> 02:15:33,510
Yeah, I think we probably would get.

2684
02:15:34,060 --> 02:15:36,060
A measure of criticism if we just did.

2685
02:15:37,290 --> 02:15:38,910
5 1/2 every year.

2686
02:15:39,620 --> 02:15:44,100
Or inflation plus 2% every year, because then that just seems that.

2687
02:15:45,310 --> 02:15:46,710
Unsustainable or that?

2688
02:15:47,420 --> 02:15:48,820
We're not doing the.

2689
02:15:50,010 --> 02:15:51,950
Disciplined lifting that.

2690
02:15:52,380 --> 02:15:57,460
You know our citizens and like a tax, not that we have to count out of the taxpayer association that.

2691
02:15:57,540 --> 02:15:58,740
Be all, end all, but they.

2692
02:15:59,300 --> 02:16:01,020
They have a point in terms of.

2693
02:16:01,380 --> 02:16:04,220
Are you doing the heavy lifting of seeing where you can?

2694
02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:07,390
Skinny up where there's opportunities to skinny up.

2695
02:16:07,460 --> 02:16:11,340
Or you're just pushing the paper to be inflation plus.

2696
02:16:11,420 --> 02:16:13,500
To another some cities who?

2697
02:16:13,780 --> 02:16:17,060
Who who can somehow configured their budgets to?

2698
02:16:17,860 --> 02:16:19,740
Have their sales tax cover.

2699
02:16:20,300 --> 02:16:26,060
X and their property tax cover Y and so for instance, one of the might even be Mill Creek where.

2700
02:16:26,460 --> 02:16:29,580
Essentially, their property taxes cover police.

2701
02:16:31,240 --> 02:16:32,270
And so whenever the.

2702
02:16:32,540 --> 02:16:34,700
The police budget increases.

2703
02:16:35,020 --> 02:16:37,860
Is their property tax increase and it's sort of automatic?

2704
02:16:38,260 --> 02:16:40,540
And everything else is covered by sales tax.

2705
02:16:41,220 --> 02:16:41,660
So, umm.

2706
02:16:42,820 --> 02:16:46,540
I think that's how they provide themselves cover, you know?

2707
02:16:47,140 --> 02:16:47,660
But uh.

2708
02:16:48,380 --> 02:16:52,140
Yeah. I don't see you as doing something like that. I don't see the need for that.

2709
02:16:52,300 --> 02:16:54,820
But so I guess it comes down to the the.

2710
02:16:55,570 --> 02:16:57,670
The philosophy Do we want to stick with the?

2711
02:16:58,650 --> 02:16:59,910
About every 3rd year.

2712
02:17:01,580 --> 02:17:04,820
Sometimes that aligns well with election years, sometimes it doesn't.

2713
02:17:05,740 --> 02:17:06,980
And whether or not we want that.

2714
02:17:07,380 --> 02:17:09,180
Whether that should matter or not as a?

2715
02:17:09,260 --> 02:17:09,940
Another decision.

2716
02:17:14,380 --> 02:17:15,500
I do find it a little.

2717
02:17:15,900 --> 02:17:17,350
Difficult to justify.

2718
02:17:17,460 --> 02:17:18,380
When we have this.

2719
02:17:19,080 --> 02:17:20,190
Conversation that.

2720
02:17:21,380 --> 02:17:23,740
We don't need a property tax this year.

2721
02:17:24,180 --> 02:17:25,180
Then go ahead and do it.

2722
02:17:28,070 --> 02:17:30,470
Even if we decided to do every year, it doesn't seem like.

2723
02:17:30,660 --> 02:17:32,260
This is this would be a skipper.

2724
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:35,670
Now we haven't also gotten to the storm water because that's a.

2725
02:17:35,780 --> 02:17:37,500
Different separate conversation.

2726
02:17:37,700 --> 02:17:42,300
Yeah, but it's nice to be in this position where?

2727
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:43,880
We actually have a.

2728
02:17:44,060 --> 02:17:47,300
Choice where we could make either choice and and make it work.

2729
02:17:48,140 --> 02:17:51,580
So it comes down to Gladys is the philosophical question instead of a.

2730
02:17:52,020 --> 02:17:53,860
We better do something or we're gonna be.

2731
02:17:54,260 --> 02:17:55,780
Up the Creek without a paddle.

2732
02:17:56,140 --> 02:17:57,460
That's a good position to be in.

2733
02:17:59,740 --> 02:18:01,060
The one thing that.

2734
02:18:01,580 --> 02:18:02,380
I just.

2735
02:18:02,500 --> 02:18:05,340
I don't, I don't know how public it is the.

2736
02:18:05,580 --> 02:18:07,020
The public works issue.

2737
02:18:08,630 --> 02:18:09,430
Yeah, so.

2738
02:18:09,740 --> 02:18:12,900
So coming down the pipeline at some point will be a decision.

2739
02:18:13,580 --> 02:18:14,980
About whether or not.

2740
02:18:15,060 --> 02:18:19,980
Yeah, we have to do our own public works because if Mill Creek.

2741
02:18:20,860 --> 02:18:24,340
If Mill Creek decides to leave the county for public works.

2742
02:18:24,500 --> 02:18:27,460
That is a huge chunk of their business which could.

2743
02:18:29,700 --> 02:18:30,940
Create the equivalent of a.

2744
02:18:31,580 --> 02:18:33,260
Business going concerned.

2745
02:18:33,380 --> 02:18:36,220
Essentially problem for the county and public works.

2746
02:18:36,340 --> 02:18:37,220
Which would mean.

2747
02:18:37,300 --> 02:18:39,100
You know we'd be out of luck.

2748
02:18:39,580 --> 02:18:40,420
Or our.

2749
02:18:40,540 --> 02:18:41,420
Cost per.

2750
02:18:41,820 --> 02:18:46,100
Mile of pavement would go up extremely because they've lost all their economy and scale.

2751
02:18:46,380 --> 02:18:47,900
Which then means we have to look at.

2752
02:18:48,300 --> 02:18:49,100
Whether we.

2753
02:18:49,940 --> 02:18:54,220
How we would partner with Mill Creek or other local communities to provide our own.

2754
02:18:54,340 --> 02:18:57,260
Public works, which would require significant capital investment.

2755
02:18:58,950 --> 02:19:01,070
So the question for this year might be.

2756
02:19:01,220 --> 02:19:05,700
We, well, we don't know what the answer to that question is yet. We're going to have a feasibility study at some point, but.

2757
02:19:06,950 --> 02:19:10,150
It does raise the question, do we want to get a head start on?

2758
02:19:10,420 --> 02:19:14,380
The decent likelihood that we're going to have to do our own public works.

2759
02:19:15,470 --> 02:19:16,390
Relatively soon.

2760
02:19:17,060 --> 02:19:19,260
Or are we too far away?

2761
02:19:19,460 --> 02:19:20,820
From even putting that.

2762
02:19:21,420 --> 02:19:22,380
Into the equation.

2763
02:19:23,380 --> 02:19:24,100
I mean, I'm.

2764
02:19:24,980 --> 02:19:26,700
Don't feel strongly about.

2765
02:19:26,780 --> 02:19:30,900
About this yeah, similar to how I felt when we were in meeting before but.

2766
02:19:32,580 --> 02:19:34,260
I'm very uncomfortable.

2767
02:19:36,140 --> 02:19:40,620
Raising taxes early to avoid raising taxes in an election year that.

2768
02:19:40,780 --> 02:19:44,440
I I mean, I think it's hard to raise taxes in election year, but I'm really uncomfortable raising, asking people for money that we

2769
02:19:44,440 --> 02:19:48,100
don't need for that purpose.

2770
02:19:49,180 --> 02:19:51,780
So I so kind of where I am now and like I said.

2771
02:19:52,260 --> 02:19:54,460
Still very much open to a discussion, but.

2772
02:19:55,260 --> 02:19:57,340
If we can balance the budget this year.

2773
02:19:58,900 --> 02:20:04,060
I'm uncomfortable every time we have people come in when they're on fixed incomes. I'm really uncomfortable.

2774
02:20:04,180 --> 02:20:06,820
Saying, well, we need it when we don't really need it.

2775
02:20:07,500 --> 02:20:08,300
This year.

2776
02:20:09,020 --> 02:20:11,980
At least that's kind of where I am for this year as far as long term.

2777
02:20:14,100 --> 02:20:16,900
I think it was organized. So to me like the 2% every year just.

2778
02:20:17,580 --> 02:20:20,030
Works for my brain but I but I think.

2779
02:20:20,740 --> 02:20:22,020
Evaluating that.

2780
02:20:22,220 --> 02:20:23,860
It needs to be kind of.

2781
02:20:25,460 --> 02:20:27,980
You know, a yearly thing, really, which is what our job is.

2782
02:20:28,100 --> 02:20:33,620
So I had in my head that every theories which I also really liked too.

2783
02:20:34,500 --> 02:20:36,380
But then it might be need to be larger.

2784
02:20:38,220 --> 02:20:40,380
Which is harder too, so.

2785
02:20:40,900 --> 02:20:41,660
Go either way.

2786
02:20:41,820 --> 02:20:42,660
I don't, I don't feel.

2787
02:20:43,020 --> 02:20:44,340
Tied to one of those, really.

2788
02:20:44,460 --> 02:20:47,700
I guess is what I'm saying. So it would be in our third year next year.

2789
02:20:48,180 --> 02:20:49,340
But starting with.

2790
02:20:49,580 --> 02:20:52,460
Only the year before being pretty even, I think, in a.

2791
02:20:53,400 --> 02:20:55,070
A decent position where we could.

2792
02:20:55,860 --> 02:21:00,150
Go ahead and do our property tax increase next year, but it wouldn't be exorbitant. It would still be.

2793
02:21:00,460 --> 02:21:02,060
Reasonable. Pretty reasonable.

2794
02:21:02,180 --> 02:21:03,420
And given that we're.

2795
02:21:03,620 --> 02:21:04,620
Not under.

2796
02:21:04,740 --> 02:21:06,700
We're not drawing fund balance now.

2797
02:21:07,780 --> 02:21:10,980
And who knows what's going to happen to public works that could blow the whole?

2798
02:21:11,220 --> 02:21:12,980
Well, but then we would at least have.

2799
02:21:13,020 --> 02:21:17,070
That would all be part of the same discussion and we would have more information to make that decision.

2800
02:21:17,260 --> 02:21:19,940
And it doesn't seem like we have enough information to.

2801
02:21:20,220 --> 02:21:22,180
To ask for people's money at this point.

2802
02:21:22,860 --> 02:21:25,900
I would agree if we're balancing the budget.

2803
02:21:26,380 --> 02:21:28,740
This year without dipping into the fund balance.

2804
02:21:29,570 --> 02:21:30,770
I don't see why we would.

2805
02:21:30,980 --> 02:21:32,980
Need to raise taxes this year?

2806
02:21:33,620 --> 02:21:36,500
But knowing that next year yet there might be two.

2807
02:21:36,580 --> 02:21:37,700
Be an increase.

2808
02:21:38,100 --> 02:21:41,150
I'm still open, more open to that.

2809
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:45,670
And then remind me how the storm water.

2810
02:21:47,090 --> 02:21:49,470
Yeah. Are we ready to move on to stormwater?

2811
02:21:50,100 --> 02:21:52,940
Are we are we all in the same? Are we good? I think so.

2812
02:21:53,060 --> 02:21:53,740
Yeah, OK.

2813
02:21:55,700 --> 02:21:56,180
OK.

2814
02:21:57,380 --> 02:22:03,727
So the stormwater fund, the current status of the stormwater fund, if you look at this graph, I'll just remind you the red line is

2815
02:22:03,727 --> 02:22:10,074
revenue and where the dotted line starts, that's where our actuals end and that's where projections begin. You can see the red

2816
02:22:10,074 --> 02:22:16,421
line declines pretty significantly. That's because we spent a large portion of our bond proceeds.

2817
02:22:16,660 --> 02:22:21,260
And they were generating a pretty significant amount of interest when we had them and now that that's gone.

2818
02:22:21,540 --> 02:22:27,180
Sort of leveling out and the only real revenue is just the stormwater fee itself. So that's why it goes down.

2819
02:22:28,020 --> 02:22:29,900
The purple section is.

2820
02:22:30,940 --> 02:22:31,940
The debt service.

2821
02:22:32,460 --> 02:22:34,750
Green is operating in, blue is.

2822
02:22:34,860 --> 02:22:35,980
Personnel costs.

2823
02:22:36,860 --> 02:22:38,180
You can see there's a small.

2824
02:22:38,250 --> 02:22:45,970
Well, pretty decent sized spike in 2027 in the debt section that is because we have a arbitrage rebate liability which we are due.

2825
02:22:46,170 --> 02:22:47,570
To pay back to the IRS.

2826
02:22:48,170 --> 02:22:52,010
The green section, there's a small spike in 2028 because we do have.

2827
02:22:53,650 --> 02:22:57,420
It's a Mountain Olympus Junior High project, that is.

2828
02:22:57,730 --> 02:22:59,490
I'm actually going to be.

2829
02:22:59,610 --> 02:23:00,970
Slightly less than what?

2830
02:23:01,050 --> 02:23:06,260
This projection was based on. I got new information from Jared today that it's going to be a little bit less so that.

2831
02:23:06,570 --> 02:23:08,250
That will be a little bit smaller.

2832
02:23:08,930 --> 02:23:13,250
But the problem overall with the stormwater fund will still exist that.

2833
02:23:13,410 --> 02:23:14,010
The.

2834
02:23:14,290 --> 02:23:19,810
Expenses of the stormwater fund are growing and the revenue is not growing at a rate that is.

2835
02:23:20,410 --> 02:23:21,330
Equal or.

2836
02:23:21,490 --> 02:23:24,930
Really competitive with the rate at which those expenses are growing.

2837
02:23:25,130 --> 02:23:30,610
The Stormwater fund currently has about $1,000,000 of net position and roughly $1,000,000 in cash.

2838
02:23:31,010 --> 02:23:33,970
And based off of this projection after.

2839
02:23:34,050 --> 02:23:35,420
In 2027.

2840
02:23:35,530 --> 02:23:37,450
Moving on, we're going to start to.

2841
02:23:37,690 --> 02:23:41,250
Dig into that cash balance and dig into that net position.

2842
02:23:41,410 --> 02:23:43,810
And it will start to go down overtime.

2843
02:23:45,810 --> 02:23:50,590
Fred Philpott came and gave us a sustainability analysis for our stormwater fund and really was looking at our rates and he had

2844
02:23:50,590 --> 02:23:55,370
suggested a couple of different options to the council.

2845
02:23:55,650 --> 02:23:56,890
One was.

2846
02:23:57,010 --> 02:24:04,090
Annual smaller increases very similar to what we've talked about with property tax or a much larger increase upfront in.

2847
02:24:04,170 --> 02:24:08,470
The benefit of the larger increase upfront as you see those benefits more quickly and it starts to build a balance which you can

2848
02:24:08,470 --> 02:24:12,770
then use for capital projects or whatever may come up.

2849
02:24:13,410 --> 02:24:16,530
In my conversations with Gina and with Jared.

2850
02:24:16,690 --> 02:24:20,950
We had considered, you know what if we just did a flat $1.00 per ERU per month increase, which comes out to about a 15.4%

2851
02:24:20,950 --> 02:24:25,210
increase.

2852
02:24:25,330 --> 02:24:30,170
For an average Gru and generates roughly $181,000 in revenue per year.

2853
02:24:31,130 --> 02:24:32,770
In that bottom graph is.

2854
02:24:32,850 --> 02:24:33,450
Yeah.

2855
02:24:33,530 --> 02:24:34,290
What is an ERU?

2856
02:24:34,490 --> 02:24:35,970
Equivalent residential unit.

2857
02:24:36,170 --> 02:24:38,010
So yeah.

2858
02:24:39,370 --> 02:24:42,410
So this graph again, it's taking into account a.

2859
02:24:42,970 --> 02:24:45,810
Slightly more expensive project in 2028.

2860
02:24:45,930 --> 02:24:47,450
Or in 2027.

2861
02:24:47,530 --> 02:24:49,850
What it will actually be, it will be slightly smaller.

2862
02:24:49,970 --> 02:24:54,530
But it is saying in 2028 we would have $125,000 contribution.

2863
02:24:54,810 --> 02:24:56,330
To net position.

2864
02:24:56,410 --> 02:24:58,370
Or revenues in excessive expenditures.

2865
02:25:00,090 --> 02:25:00,930
I do think that.

2866
02:25:01,610 --> 02:25:06,890
Some action needs to be taken in the direction of the stormwater fund, and I think it is.

2867
02:25:07,090 --> 02:25:11,170
The decision of the Council obviously to decide how they would like to do that or if they.

2868
02:25:11,490 --> 02:25:12,570
Prefer not to.

2869
02:25:13,410 --> 02:25:16,890
But this is just some information so you can make an informed decision.

2870
02:25:18,490 --> 02:25:19,130
So they.

2871
02:25:19,610 --> 02:25:20,130
The uh.

2872
02:25:20,690 --> 02:25:21,450
Original, uh.

2873
02:25:23,010 --> 02:25:23,850
Projected.

2874
02:25:24,330 --> 02:25:26,450
That there would be periodic increases.

2875
02:25:26,610 --> 02:25:28,730
And I think the original model presumably devoted.

2876
02:25:28,930 --> 02:25:29,850
Have increased.

2877
02:25:30,010 --> 02:25:30,850
Once or twice.

2878
02:25:30,930 --> 02:25:31,850
Before now.

2879
02:25:32,210 --> 02:25:33,650
And we haven't.

2880
02:25:33,770 --> 02:25:34,810
Primarily because we've.

2881
02:25:35,850 --> 02:25:39,050
Just worked out a little different than the model.

2882
02:25:39,490 --> 02:25:41,690
But in terms of the specific.

2883
02:25:41,810 --> 02:25:42,850
Year by year.

2884
02:25:42,970 --> 02:25:43,930
Need but.

2885
02:25:44,130 --> 02:25:46,330
The model itself is still valid, it's just we've.

2886
02:25:46,890 --> 02:25:48,530
We haven't had to increase.

2887
02:25:49,210 --> 02:25:50,570
As quickly as we thought.

2888
02:25:50,650 --> 02:25:52,290
But that doesn't mean we don't.

2889
02:25:52,410 --> 02:25:53,010
Have to.

2890
02:25:53,330 --> 02:25:54,130
Increase it.

2891
02:25:55,170 --> 02:25:56,650
To to make the model work.

2892
02:25:57,970 --> 02:26:03,130
And so the bottom graph shows assuming a $1.00 from 6:50 to 7:50.

2893
02:26:03,250 --> 02:26:03,850
Correct.

2894
02:26:03,930 --> 02:26:07,130
And so the Salt Lake County average is 8.

2895
02:26:08,330 --> 02:26:14,930
This was as of the date of Fred giving his presentation, which was that about a year ago now, so that that eight could be higher.

2896
02:26:21,580 --> 02:26:28,940
So yeah, I particularly in a year where we have no need to do a property tax increase and we do have a need to.

2897
02:26:29,770 --> 02:26:31,450
To maintain the.

2898
02:26:33,090 --> 02:26:34,410
Liquidity and.

2899
02:26:35,490 --> 02:26:37,330
Solvency of this particular.

2900
02:26:37,450 --> 02:26:38,490
Enterprise Fund.

2901
02:26:39,170 --> 02:26:40,530
I'm certainly very comfortable.

2902
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:44,500
Doing this sticking with the model.

2903
02:26:44,770 --> 02:26:45,250
But uh.

2904
02:26:45,330 --> 02:26:47,170
Keeping it reasonable and.

2905
02:26:47,370 --> 02:26:49,530
And solvent just on a.

2906
02:26:50,250 --> 02:26:53,170
Fortunately, later timetable than the original model suggested.

2907
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:55,470
So I think we're in good shape and.

2908
02:26:56,490 --> 02:26:59,130
But yeah, I think of the.

2909
02:26:59,370 --> 02:27:02,890
Increases and we're not suggesting anything more than that.

2910
02:27:03,890 --> 02:27:05,530
For solvency reasons or?

2911
02:27:05,650 --> 02:27:06,780
Or projecting.

2912
02:27:07,290 --> 02:27:09,970
The because we've already we've recently spent.

2913
02:27:10,530 --> 02:27:12,330
A ton with the bond money.

2914
02:27:12,410 --> 02:27:12,690
Correct.

2915
02:27:12,770 --> 02:27:14,090
So this is just.

2916
02:27:14,410 --> 02:27:17,410
Primarily a move to keep the fund as a whole.

2917
02:27:17,930 --> 02:27:18,690
Solvent.

2918
02:27:19,170 --> 02:27:21,010
Adding some contribution.

2919
02:27:21,610 --> 02:27:23,010
And but.

2920
02:27:23,410 --> 02:27:25,290
As has.

2921
02:27:26,760 --> 02:27:30,700
These improvements that we made early on start to age.

2922
02:27:32,290 --> 02:27:38,570
Of course our cash balance and fund will grow because some of those expenses are depreciation which are non cash expenses, but.

2923
02:27:39,490 --> 02:27:39,890
So they'll.

2924
02:27:40,010 --> 02:27:41,210
We'll build some.

2925
02:27:42,010 --> 02:27:44,530
Cash on top of this increase for.

2926
02:27:44,650 --> 02:27:48,630
Future projects correct and from my conversations with Jared he he's not anticipating any major failures in the stormwater system

2927
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:52,610
I.

2928
02:27:53,620 --> 02:27:56,180
Based off of what I've heard from him is he feels like.

2929
02:27:56,610 --> 02:27:59,330
There aren't any major projects in the near term.

2930
02:27:59,730 --> 02:28:04,850
But we very easily could have these smaller scale projects like Mount Olympus Junior come up on a.

2931
02:28:05,050 --> 02:28:06,370
Periodic basis and.

2932
02:28:06,730 --> 02:28:09,530
If we're in a position where just on operating.

2933
02:28:09,690 --> 02:28:14,770
Were barely neutral, even using some cash or fund balance every year.

2934
02:28:15,250 --> 02:28:19,070
If we have a larger project like that, the fund doesn't have a way to necessarily recoup any of those costs in the cash would just

2935
02:28:19,070 --> 02:28:22,890
be gone at that point.

2936
02:28:23,010 --> 02:28:24,730
We just have to come on general funds and.

2937
02:28:24,970 --> 02:28:25,770
Goodbye.

2938
02:28:25,890 --> 02:28:31,750
Right, right. One of the things that I remember learning from Ty was the importance of taking care of our assets. And I feel like

2939
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:37,610
storm water is one of those things that people expected their cities, I think, for a long period.

2940
02:28:38,490 --> 02:28:40,290
Those were neglected and.

2941
02:28:41,370 --> 02:28:46,410
I know especially in my neighborhood there was some real problems repeatedly and.

2942
02:28:46,970 --> 02:28:47,730
We've been in.

2943
02:28:47,890 --> 02:28:50,410
Incredibly grateful for this fund and the way that that his.

2944
02:28:51,730 --> 02:28:53,860
Has has helped so I I think that.

2945
02:28:54,290 --> 02:29:00,140
That's one of the reasons that we exist as a city is to provide some of these basic services and we have a responsibility.

2946
02:29:00,330 --> 02:29:01,810
To maintain those assets and.

2947
02:29:01,930 --> 02:29:03,210
And this is the way to do that.

2948
02:29:07,660 --> 02:29:08,740
A lot of nodding heads.

2949
02:29:09,610 --> 02:29:15,290
It seems like there's consensus on the Council, but we should include this in your tentative budget.

2950
02:29:16,830 --> 02:29:20,140
So zip on the property tax and $1.00 on the storm water.

2951
02:29:21,010 --> 02:29:24,890
OK. Were there any other questions for me?

2952
02:29:25,860 --> 02:29:27,980
Thank you, Christian. Thanks. Great work.

2953
02:29:30,190 --> 02:29:31,700
All right, Drew, OK.

2954
02:29:32,990 --> 02:29:33,940
Utah Renewable.

2955
02:29:34,810 --> 02:29:36,530
There's some action going on there, eh?

2956
02:29:37,460 --> 02:29:39,500
And we've got decisions we have to make pretty soon.

2957
02:29:39,610 --> 02:29:42,220
Yes, absolutely. OK, so.

2958
02:29:43,250 --> 02:29:44,090
Most of the.

2959
02:29:45,010 --> 02:29:46,780
Some members of the Council have been.

2960
02:29:46,930 --> 02:29:49,250
Hearing me talk about this for a long time.

2961
02:29:49,410 --> 02:29:50,450
Natalie and David.

2962
02:29:50,970 --> 02:29:52,410
Not so much.

2963
02:29:52,850 --> 02:29:54,410
If at any point.

2964
02:29:54,690 --> 02:29:56,260
You have questions, please just.

2965
02:29:56,770 --> 02:29:57,930
Give me a holler. Stop me.

2966
02:29:58,210 --> 02:30:00,130
And I'll go quickly through the.

2967
02:30:01,010 --> 02:30:01,930
The slides.

2968
02:30:02,370 --> 02:30:03,290
So, umm.

2969
02:30:05,330 --> 02:30:06,770
Does anybody not know where the?

2970
02:30:06,850 --> 02:30:09,770
What the clean energy community clean energy program is.

2971
02:30:10,370 --> 02:30:12,500
It's a little bit confusing because.

2972
02:30:12,610 --> 02:30:15,090
It's been branded as the Utah Renewable.

2973
02:30:15,210 --> 02:30:16,770
Communities or URC?

2974
02:30:17,730 --> 02:30:19,450
But Utah power.

2975
02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:24,340
Describes it as the Community Clean Energy program. So.

2976
02:30:25,050 --> 02:30:26,810
You know it's the.

2977
02:30:26,970 --> 02:30:28,290
It's the same. Excuse me?

2978
02:30:29,000 --> 02:30:30,960
So it was originally.

2979
02:30:32,030 --> 02:30:34,740
Created by the Utah Legislature in 2019.

2980
02:30:35,130 --> 02:30:38,970
It's taken a lot longer than we thought, but we now have a.

2981
02:30:39,450 --> 02:30:42,090
Program the next step that we have to.

2982
02:30:42,290 --> 02:30:44,290
To take which.

2983
02:30:44,530 --> 02:30:46,140
Paul is referring to.

2984
02:30:46,450 --> 02:30:49,410
Is every all of the 19 communities.

2985
02:30:49,610 --> 02:30:50,890
Needs to.

2986
02:30:51,810 --> 02:30:54,610
Officially adopt the program and we do that by.

2987
02:30:54,930 --> 02:30:56,330
Adopting the ordinance.

2988
02:30:57,400 --> 02:30:58,500
So next.

2989
02:30:58,890 --> 02:30:59,850
Slide please.

2990
02:31:01,010 --> 02:31:01,650
So this.

2991
02:31:02,010 --> 02:31:03,410
Graph just shows.

2992
02:31:03,810 --> 02:31:05,290
What our goal is.

2993
02:31:05,810 --> 02:31:06,570
Now.

2994
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:10,540
Assuming.

2995
02:31:10,650 --> 02:31:12,170
That we have.

2996
02:31:14,390 --> 02:31:16,190
The funds to.

2997
02:31:16,970 --> 02:31:19,530
Build these new resources we're hoping to.

2998
02:31:20,430 --> 02:31:22,070
Completely get rid of.

2999
02:31:22,210 --> 02:31:23,730
The electricity from.

3000
02:31:23,810 --> 02:31:24,890
Traditional sources.

3001
02:31:25,170 --> 02:31:26,490
And these are.

3002
02:31:26,610 --> 02:31:27,850
The green is.

3003
02:31:30,020 --> 02:31:31,820
The the new.

3004
02:31:32,720 --> 02:31:33,900
Excuse me, My brain isn't.

3005
02:31:34,170 --> 02:31:36,410
Isn't functioning anymore OK?

3006
02:31:36,730 --> 02:31:38,730
So you you can see how it's.

3007
02:31:39,090 --> 02:31:39,980
Eventually.

3008
02:31:40,370 --> 02:31:44,620
Gets rid of the electricity from traditional sources, so if you can, go to the next one.

3009
02:31:46,950 --> 02:31:48,150
We've had several.

3010
02:31:48,530 --> 02:31:51,370
Questions about the difference between our program.

3011
02:31:51,690 --> 02:31:56,010
And Subscriber Solar and Blue Sky, which are programs that.

3012
02:31:56,250 --> 02:31:57,690
The Rocky Mountain Power.

3013
02:31:58,050 --> 02:31:59,370
Has had for quite a while.

3014
02:32:01,050 --> 02:32:01,890
Basically.

3015
02:32:02,930 --> 02:32:04,450
A bigger bang for the buck?

3016
02:32:05,400 --> 02:32:07,300
What we are doing by.

3017
02:32:08,260 --> 02:32:09,460
Getting together.

3018
02:32:09,570 --> 02:32:10,530
The commun.

3019
02:32:10,890 --> 02:32:11,490
And.

3020
02:32:11,890 --> 02:32:14,370
The $4.00 a month fee.

3021
02:32:14,650 --> 02:32:16,410
Is we're able to bring new.

3022
02:32:17,270 --> 02:32:19,300
Clean energy resources online.

3023
02:32:20,430 --> 02:32:22,460
And so it's.

3024
02:32:22,890 --> 02:32:24,220
It's a huge difference.

3025
02:32:25,370 --> 02:32:26,450
Next slide, please.

3026
02:32:31,180 --> 02:32:32,180
So you have.

3027
02:32:32,690 --> 02:32:34,570
Seen this before?

3028
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:37,220
What we need to do?

3029
02:32:37,370 --> 02:32:39,810
By June 2nd is a dot.

3030
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:42,060
Adopt the ordinances.

3031
02:32:42,530 --> 02:32:43,770
The ordinance? Excuse me.

3032
02:32:43,970 --> 02:32:45,010
So next slide.

3033
02:32:47,380 --> 02:32:48,740
So in December.

3034
02:32:50,080 --> 02:32:51,820
The Public Service Commission.

3035
02:32:53,380 --> 02:32:54,500
Conducted.

3036
02:32:55,850 --> 02:32:56,690
Hearings.

3037
02:32:57,210 --> 02:32:59,810
And the order was.

3038
02:33:02,220 --> 02:33:07,020
Was issued in March, which started the 90 day clock.

3039
02:33:07,090 --> 02:33:09,050
Which is what runs out on June 2nd.

3040
02:33:10,880 --> 02:33:11,700
Next slide.

3041
02:33:13,560 --> 02:33:15,960
So there's a difference between inflammation and.

3042
02:33:16,370 --> 02:33:18,410
Implementation and commencement.

3043
02:33:18,810 --> 02:33:20,130
The implementation is.

3044
02:33:20,730 --> 02:33:22,890
The noticing begins.

3045
02:33:23,330 --> 02:33:24,370
And.

3046
02:33:24,930 --> 02:33:27,610
The last, Hopefully the last.

3047
02:33:28,010 --> 02:33:31,050
Money that the City of Holiday will have to contribute.

3048
02:33:31,490 --> 02:33:32,810
We do have to pay.

3049
02:33:32,890 --> 02:33:34,530
To notify.

3050
02:33:34,970 --> 02:33:36,170
All of our residents.

3051
02:33:36,610 --> 02:33:37,660
And so.

3052
02:33:38,410 --> 02:33:39,580
That will be.

3053
02:33:39,770 --> 02:33:41,490
Start November 2nd.

3054
02:33:41,930 --> 02:33:43,290
Luckily, we have.

3055
02:33:43,810 --> 02:33:46,380
That Public Service Commission says that we can.

3056
02:33:46,730 --> 02:33:48,130
Mail the first notice.

3057
02:33:48,290 --> 02:33:51,410
But the second notice can go out by e-mail for all.

3058
02:33:51,810 --> 02:33:54,450
Customers who received their bills by e-mail.

3059
02:33:54,810 --> 02:33:55,810
So that will.

3060
02:33:56,480 --> 02:33:57,620
Save us some money.

3061
02:33:58,010 --> 02:34:01,970
And the estimate right now is about $19,000. Is that right, Gina?

3062
02:34:02,570 --> 02:34:04,450
Yeah. So it's it's not a.

3063
02:34:04,730 --> 02:34:06,530
And put it in their ballot.

3064
02:34:07,810 --> 02:34:08,090
Yes.

3065
02:34:10,010 --> 02:34:11,570
Thank you. Yes, OK.

3066
02:34:11,970 --> 02:34:15,290
So that the noticing will begin November 2nd.

3067
02:34:15,490 --> 02:34:17,690
And that commencement date is when we.

3068
02:34:17,770 --> 02:34:19,010
Can actually start.

3069
02:34:20,450 --> 02:34:21,370
Collecting money.

3070
02:34:21,570 --> 02:34:22,570
That's when.

3071
02:34:22,810 --> 02:34:24,930
The line item will.

3072
02:34:25,050 --> 02:34:26,370
Will begin to be.

3073
02:34:26,490 --> 02:34:30,420
Seen on your bill and my bill, and that is?

3074
02:34:30,690 --> 02:34:32,250
Flat $4.00 a month.

3075
02:34:32,650 --> 02:34:33,890
Next slide, please.

3076
02:34:36,310 --> 02:34:38,470
So of the $4.00 per month.

3077
02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:42,760
$3.88 will go to the participation fee.

3078
02:34:43,090 --> 02:34:45,650
And $12.00 will go.

3079
02:34:45,890 --> 02:34:47,010
To the low income.

3080
02:34:47,410 --> 02:34:48,450
I'm sorry, what?

3081
02:34:48,610 --> 02:34:50,250
$0.12 Excuse me, yes.

3082
02:34:50,330 --> 02:34:51,010
$0.12.

3083
02:34:51,530 --> 02:34:53,540
We'll go to low income program.

3084
02:34:53,650 --> 02:34:57,250
And the reason we want to do this is to just get as many.

3085
02:34:57,370 --> 02:34:59,140
Customers as we can on.

3086
02:34:59,450 --> 02:35:00,570
The program.

3087
02:35:00,930 --> 02:35:03,850
So in order to qualify for that.

3088
02:35:03,970 --> 02:35:05,090
Residential.

3089
02:35:06,650 --> 02:35:09,460
Low income you have to be on the.

3090
02:35:10,570 --> 02:35:11,690
Heal or the help?

3091
02:35:11,810 --> 02:35:12,530
Program umm.

3092
02:35:12,650 --> 02:35:14,890
If you don't know what those are, that's OK.

3093
02:35:15,330 --> 02:35:16,290
You probably aren't on them.

3094
02:35:16,690 --> 02:35:18,090
Yeah, they're yeah.

3095
02:35:18,290 --> 02:35:20,370
If you're on them, you know what they are.

3096
02:35:21,470 --> 02:35:24,980
So this will give us enough.

3097
02:35:25,690 --> 02:35:27,050
Many to get going.

3098
02:35:27,290 --> 02:35:28,130
Also.

3099
02:35:28,330 --> 02:35:30,650
As Emily pointed out today.

3100
02:35:31,050 --> 02:35:31,850
People with.

3101
02:35:31,970 --> 02:35:36,890
Solar panels who are on Schedule 135 unfortunately cannot participate.

3102
02:35:38,330 --> 02:35:39,140
Next slide.

3103
02:35:42,170 --> 02:35:43,460
So let's.

3104
02:35:43,570 --> 02:35:44,410
Keep going.

3105
02:35:47,980 --> 02:35:48,740
When?

3106
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:53,320
Wait a minute, what is this?

3107
02:35:55,150 --> 02:35:57,140
OK, businesses, Excuse me. Yeah.

3108
02:35:57,650 --> 02:35:59,250
So residences.

3109
02:35:59,450 --> 02:36:01,610
Residential customers are all $4.00 a month.

3110
02:36:01,850 --> 02:36:02,810
Businesses.

3111
02:36:03,490 --> 02:36:05,890
The amount they will pay.

3112
02:36:06,170 --> 02:36:08,050
Is based on the amount they use.

3113
02:36:08,410 --> 02:36:12,450
And at some point, we can certainly talk to the businesses in holiday.

3114
02:36:13,570 --> 02:36:17,010
Maybe in the fall sometime and let them know exactly how that works.

3115
02:36:17,900 --> 02:36:18,900
Next slide.

3116
02:36:22,010 --> 02:36:25,290
I think they put this in because of this really cool quote.

3117
02:36:26,320 --> 02:36:30,390
No evidence in the records suggests that program rates are likely to meaningfully increase from the initial rates approved in this

3118
02:36:30,390 --> 02:36:34,460
order.

3119
02:36:34,970 --> 02:36:40,500
Instead, under RMP's proposal, they would decrease rather significantly after the first two years.

3120
02:36:40,770 --> 02:36:42,050
So when you think about it.

3121
02:36:42,410 --> 02:36:45,970
Once, for example once a solar farm is built.

3122
02:36:46,870 --> 02:36:50,390
That cost is, except for maintenance, pretty much fixed.

3123
02:36:50,850 --> 02:36:53,090
Unlike a coal plant or a gas plant.

3124
02:36:53,290 --> 02:36:54,770
You don't have to keep feeding it.

3125
02:36:55,010 --> 02:36:57,090
Because the sun does that automatically.

3126
02:36:57,290 --> 02:36:58,690
So what the plan is?

3127
02:36:59,010 --> 02:37:02,450
Is as soon as we have one resource online.

3128
02:37:02,810 --> 02:37:03,810
Plus there are.

3129
02:37:03,890 --> 02:37:05,690
Will be some initial costs.

3130
02:37:06,460 --> 02:37:08,180
For Rocky Mountain Power.

3131
02:37:08,650 --> 02:37:11,970
For example, they have to upgrade their billing system and.

3132
02:37:12,250 --> 02:37:16,290
Add some customer service people to answer questions. People calling in.

3133
02:37:16,690 --> 02:37:17,450
But.

3134
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:21,580
Once the ball starts rolling, it will continue to roll.

3135
02:37:22,090 --> 02:37:23,650
We'll have one.

3136
02:37:24,410 --> 02:37:25,810
Good resource online.

3137
02:37:26,090 --> 02:37:27,050
As soon as that's.

3138
02:37:27,130 --> 02:37:28,010
Paid for.

3139
02:37:28,490 --> 02:37:29,540
Sure we can.

3140
02:37:29,690 --> 02:37:33,090
Give residential and business customers a little bit of a break.

3141
02:37:33,490 --> 02:37:34,250
But then.

3142
02:37:34,330 --> 02:37:37,490
The money that will be continually.

3143
02:37:37,650 --> 02:37:39,690
Flowing into the program still.

3144
02:37:40,050 --> 02:37:40,770
We can.

3145
02:37:40,850 --> 02:37:43,130
Get a second resource online so.

3146
02:37:44,920 --> 02:37:49,780
Hopefully the momentum will make a huge difference in the amount of clean air.

3147
02:37:50,250 --> 02:37:51,730
Excuse me in.

3148
02:37:51,930 --> 02:37:53,210
In cleaning up our air.

3149
02:37:53,370 --> 02:37:57,050
And in the amount of renewable energy that is added to the grid.

3150
02:37:58,590 --> 02:37:59,900
OK. Next slide.

3151
02:38:01,950 --> 02:38:02,860
Opt out.

3152
02:38:02,970 --> 02:38:03,690
So, umm.

3153
02:38:05,190 --> 02:38:07,500
If someone does not want to participate.

3154
02:38:07,650 --> 02:38:08,650
That's their right.

3155
02:38:09,290 --> 02:38:10,410
So every.

3156
02:38:10,810 --> 02:38:13,890
Customer Rocky Mountain Power customer in every.

3157
02:38:14,930 --> 02:38:16,890
Community that adopts the program.

3158
02:38:17,640 --> 02:38:20,340
Will have a chance to opt out if they want.

3159
02:38:20,490 --> 02:38:21,490
So everyone.

3160
02:38:21,610 --> 02:38:25,130
This is This is a program where everyone is initially in.

3161
02:38:25,960 --> 02:38:27,740
If you want to leave, you can.

3162
02:38:29,910 --> 02:38:31,820
You have a whole six months.

3163
02:38:31,930 --> 02:38:34,090
To do that. So that's two months before.

3164
02:38:34,250 --> 02:38:35,410
They start collecting.

3165
02:38:35,610 --> 02:38:37,330
And then four months after.

3166
02:38:37,730 --> 02:38:39,250
At that point in time.

3167
02:38:39,930 --> 02:38:41,380
If you want to leave.

3168
02:38:41,970 --> 02:38:46,050
Then you have to pay a termination fee, which for residential customers will be.

3169
02:38:46,130 --> 02:38:47,130
$30.

3170
02:38:48,840 --> 02:38:50,100
Any question about that?

3171
02:38:52,120 --> 02:38:54,000
With regard to now, this is.

3172
02:38:54,810 --> 02:38:58,570
Kind of everybody starting at the same time with this timeline.

3173
02:38:59,250 --> 02:39:01,610
In a future time frames.

3174
02:39:02,010 --> 02:39:05,810
As people move into holiday from out of state or whatever.

3175
02:39:07,130 --> 02:39:08,130
What is their?

3176
02:39:09,150 --> 02:39:12,460
What is their opportunity when they turn on service for the first time?

3177
02:39:12,650 --> 02:39:14,010
In a URC community.

3178
02:39:14,490 --> 02:39:15,730
OK, good question.

3179
02:39:15,930 --> 02:39:17,650
So #1 they will.

3180
02:39:17,730 --> 02:39:20,060
Still need to receive those two notices.

3181
02:39:20,930 --> 02:39:24,410
#2 they will still have the four month period.

3182
02:39:25,850 --> 02:39:28,220
The first four months, they're paying their bills.

3183
02:39:28,610 --> 02:39:33,650
They will have an opportunity to opt out if they want without paying that termination fee.

3184
02:39:34,460 --> 02:39:36,460
So they will be on the same playing field.

3185
02:39:36,770 --> 02:39:38,820
So be an ongoing notification.

3186
02:39:41,650 --> 02:39:44,810
So and then the ongoing notification.

3187
02:39:45,050 --> 02:39:48,650
Will be taken over by will be paid for.

3188
02:39:49,090 --> 02:39:52,740
By money that is being collected.

3189
02:39:53,170 --> 02:39:54,930
The city won't have to continue.

3190
02:39:55,010 --> 02:39:56,140
Paying for the notification.

3191
02:39:56,410 --> 02:39:58,170
Emily, what were you going to say?

3192
02:39:58,970 --> 02:40:00,060
So if somebody's.

3193
02:40:00,170 --> 02:40:02,090
Signing up like a new like.

3194
02:40:02,170 --> 02:40:05,850
Was said moving from out of state. Do they have the option to opt out like?

3195
02:40:06,170 --> 02:40:07,140
At the initial.

3196
02:40:08,130 --> 02:40:09,730
Like sign it up stage.

3197
02:40:11,420 --> 02:40:14,140
That would be my guess, although that hasn't.

3198
02:40:14,250 --> 02:40:15,690
Specifically been.

3199
02:40:15,770 --> 02:40:16,850
OK, Ben.

3200
02:40:17,370 --> 02:40:18,330
Decided.

3201
02:40:19,050 --> 02:40:20,450
What has been?

3202
02:40:22,450 --> 02:40:24,250
Discussed at this point is.

3203
02:40:24,370 --> 02:40:27,530
When somebody walks in the door or goes online.

3204
02:40:27,610 --> 02:40:30,250
Whatever to sign up for new electricity?

3205
02:40:30,690 --> 02:40:31,490
You know, signed up.

3206
02:40:32,090 --> 02:40:33,330
You know, they've just moved in.

3207
02:40:33,890 --> 02:40:35,970
Then they would get their first.

3208
02:40:36,450 --> 02:40:37,610
At that same time.

3209
02:40:37,890 --> 02:40:38,930
OK, thanks.

3210
02:40:39,290 --> 02:40:40,410
Yeah, so.

3211
02:40:40,530 --> 02:40:44,290
When you say the Schedule 135 customers aren't eligible, does that.

3212
02:40:44,530 --> 02:40:49,010
I mean, they won't, they won't get notices and it won't appear on their bill, correct? OK.

3213
02:40:49,850 --> 02:40:51,330
As they're already contributing in that.

3214
02:40:51,490 --> 02:40:52,890
Different way I guess.

3215
02:40:53,050 --> 02:40:55,930
I we don't know why. I I'm not sure why.

3216
02:40:56,490 --> 02:40:58,370
Well, I'm one of those customers and I'm.

3217
02:40:58,890 --> 02:41:03,210
I think that they're really missing an opportunity for people who are likely to want to participate. Yeah.

3218
02:41:04,010 --> 02:41:04,970
It doesn't make sense.

3219
02:41:05,130 --> 02:41:08,130
But this decision was made very early on.

3220
02:41:08,890 --> 02:41:10,090
By the Legislature.

3221
02:41:10,530 --> 02:41:12,810
So I I don't know the why?

3222
02:41:14,950 --> 02:41:16,700
OK. All right.

3223
02:41:18,320 --> 02:41:20,580
Again, what we need to do?

3224
02:41:20,770 --> 02:41:21,570
To be.

3225
02:41:22,250 --> 02:41:23,130
One of the.

3226
02:41:23,250 --> 02:41:24,650
You are see communities.

3227
02:41:24,930 --> 02:41:26,370
Is to adopt the ordinance.

3228
02:41:26,770 --> 02:41:28,090
And I know it was.

3229
02:41:28,530 --> 02:41:31,050
There was a lot of reading in tonight's packet, but.

3230
02:41:32,060 --> 02:41:32,700
Jamie I.

3231
02:41:33,570 --> 02:41:38,370
Know that Todd has told me that he's looked at it and he's OK with it. Is that.

3232
02:41:38,530 --> 02:41:39,260
Something that.

3233
02:41:39,810 --> 02:41:40,570
That you can.

3234
02:41:41,770 --> 02:41:43,610
That is correct. Also approved.

3235
02:41:43,730 --> 02:41:45,570
Yeah, yeah, everything looked to be in order.

3236
02:41:45,850 --> 02:41:46,290
OK.

3237
02:41:47,970 --> 02:41:49,010
Does anyone have any?

3238
02:41:50,500 --> 02:41:53,620
Well, just to review the history for.

3239
02:41:53,730 --> 02:41:55,810
Our new folks we were.

3240
02:41:55,890 --> 02:41:58,930
One of the one of the first to sign up.

3241
02:41:59,050 --> 02:42:01,010
And we wanted to be in a leadership position.

3242
02:42:01,490 --> 02:42:04,730
And supporting this effort to.

3243
02:42:06,100 --> 02:42:09,300
Support the development of renewable energy in our community because.

3244
02:42:09,370 --> 02:42:11,060
You know, Salt Lake County's got some of the worst.

3245
02:42:11,170 --> 02:42:13,730
Air and this is you know not.

3246
02:42:14,330 --> 02:42:15,410
A silver bullet, too.

3247
02:42:15,530 --> 02:42:17,370
Clean it up completely but certainly.

3248
02:42:17,930 --> 02:42:19,690
It's a It's a program where.

3249
02:42:19,850 --> 02:42:21,650
The where we can move the needle.

3250
02:42:22,090 --> 02:42:24,850
And we feel like the quality of life.

3251
02:42:25,170 --> 02:42:26,410
Want to have an holiday?

3252
02:42:27,970 --> 02:42:29,490
Is consistent with supporting.

3253
02:42:29,850 --> 02:42:30,810
This particular.

3254
02:42:30,970 --> 02:42:31,730
Initiative.

3255
02:42:32,210 --> 02:42:33,250
And it's one of the.

3256
02:42:35,650 --> 02:42:38,530
Sorry, one of the few things I can applaud the legislature for.

3257
02:42:39,010 --> 02:42:40,970
Yeah, yes, absolutely. And.

3258
02:42:41,810 --> 02:42:43,530
Like to, you know, give.

3259
02:42:43,610 --> 02:42:45,530
Kudos man. Kudos are due because it's.

3260
02:42:45,610 --> 02:42:47,290
That sometimes it seems rare, but.

3261
02:42:48,650 --> 02:42:49,730
Yeah, we've been one of the.

3262
02:42:49,970 --> 02:42:51,530
The leading communities.

3263
02:42:51,770 --> 02:42:52,610
And I think.

3264
02:42:53,010 --> 02:42:54,690
The thing that we were.

3265
02:42:55,620 --> 02:42:57,420
I think how long this whole time?

3266
02:42:57,730 --> 02:42:59,610
The thing we're most worried about?

3267
02:43:00,330 --> 02:43:00,970
Was.

3268
02:43:01,810 --> 02:43:04,610
The fee was the big unknown.

3269
02:43:05,010 --> 02:43:09,170
And our fear was that it was going to be.

3270
02:43:09,890 --> 02:43:11,090
A double digit number.

3271
02:43:11,650 --> 02:43:13,250
And that was going to make us all.

3272
02:43:14,460 --> 02:43:15,620
A little uncomfortable.

3273
02:43:16,090 --> 02:43:18,970
So to have this thing come in at 4 bucks, Oh my gosh.

3274
02:43:19,370 --> 02:43:21,410
Yeah, just a.

3275
02:43:21,690 --> 02:43:25,890
Great collective sigh of relief from I think every community that was.

3276
02:43:26,090 --> 02:43:27,610
One of these initial communities.

3277
02:43:28,930 --> 02:43:29,980
I'm sure.

3278
02:43:30,610 --> 02:43:32,890
My predecessor, Rob Daly is also.

3279
02:43:33,170 --> 02:43:35,770
You know, super pleased with that number.

3280
02:43:35,850 --> 02:43:37,530
And every everyone of the.

3281
02:43:38,940 --> 02:43:40,460
The cities.

3282
02:43:40,650 --> 02:43:41,410
Thinking about.

3283
02:43:41,490 --> 02:43:42,610
You know, has been a leader.

3284
02:43:43,290 --> 02:43:46,250
A leading community in these 18 and 19 communities.

3285
02:43:46,650 --> 02:43:51,140
We're all breathing a sigh of relief that we're able to accomplish this great thing.

3286
02:43:51,250 --> 02:43:52,770
And the numbers 4 bucks.

3287
02:43:52,930 --> 02:43:54,770
We've always had the opt out.

3288
02:43:55,410 --> 02:43:56,290
That's always been a.

3289
02:43:57,010 --> 02:43:59,610
A safety valve for all of our citizens.

3290
02:43:59,690 --> 02:44:02,100
Regardless of what that fee turned out to be.

3291
02:44:04,250 --> 02:44:10,890
But we'll have far fewer dropouts when it's only 4 bucks and it's something I think we can all hold our head high and.

3292
02:44:11,210 --> 02:44:12,290
This is a great deal.

3293
02:44:12,650 --> 02:44:14,450
And it's only 4 bucks a month and.

3294
02:44:14,690 --> 02:44:16,610
A little more cleaner air is going to be worth it.

3295
02:44:16,810 --> 02:44:18,850
And but if you don't agree, you can opt out.

3296
02:44:18,930 --> 02:44:22,490
But I think it's something we can be proud of and not.

3297
02:44:23,130 --> 02:44:24,330
Oh boy, what did we do?

3298
02:44:24,530 --> 02:44:27,930
Yeah, absolutely. And and I you've made some good.

3299
02:44:28,010 --> 02:44:32,610
Points as far as the leadership role, I really appreciate Holly's help.

3300
02:44:33,010 --> 02:44:35,170
I mean, holiday is one of the few.

3301
02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:39,660
Communities. I don't know if we're the only one where both.

3302
02:44:40,090 --> 02:44:42,810
The both Holly and I are on.

3303
02:44:43,250 --> 02:44:44,570
One of these smaller.

3304
02:44:46,730 --> 02:44:48,090
What you're on the.

3305
02:44:48,650 --> 02:44:51,290
The communications committee and I'm on, I've been on the.

3306
02:44:51,410 --> 02:44:52,890
Program design committee so.

3307
02:44:53,090 --> 02:44:55,010
We're almost doing double duty.

3308
02:44:55,530 --> 02:44:56,370
Also.

3309
02:44:56,450 --> 02:44:59,810
By By.

3310
02:44:59,970 --> 02:45:04,130
Going together with these other communities, it's a lot like the UFA and the UPD.

3311
02:45:04,450 --> 02:45:08,850
Model, I mean the economies of scale and being able to come together.

3312
02:45:08,970 --> 02:45:11,210
Holiday We're a small community.

3313
02:45:11,610 --> 02:45:13,890
And we never would have been able to do.

3314
02:45:14,050 --> 02:45:15,610
Something like this on our own?

3315
02:45:15,970 --> 02:45:18,130
I would have moved without our.

3316
02:45:18,250 --> 02:45:20,770
Partners that it's right. So I think we can really.

3317
02:45:20,970 --> 02:45:23,050
Hold our heads up high and and.

3318
02:45:23,290 --> 02:45:24,130
Hopefully umm.

3319
02:45:25,360 --> 02:45:26,940
Support this 100%.

3320
02:45:27,650 --> 02:45:28,970
Let's skip over.

3321
02:45:30,430 --> 02:45:31,110
We can.

3322
02:45:33,330 --> 02:45:35,210
Look, you can look at yourself.

3323
02:45:35,370 --> 02:45:36,810
At the ordinance.

3324
02:45:37,570 --> 02:45:38,210
And.

3325
02:45:40,330 --> 02:45:41,170
I think we've.

3326
02:45:41,290 --> 02:45:43,650
We've said all the good things that we could say.

3327
02:45:43,810 --> 02:45:46,970
Hopefully we will this will come to a vote.

3328
02:45:47,850 --> 02:45:49,050
On the 21st.

3329
02:45:49,330 --> 02:45:51,690
And I think we are going to have a.

3330
02:45:52,210 --> 02:45:53,130
Public hearing.

3331
02:45:54,870 --> 02:45:56,420
Our first What is that?

3332
02:45:56,570 --> 02:45:58,450
The 7th is a. It is.

3333
02:45:58,570 --> 02:45:59,210
So, uh.

3334
02:45:59,290 --> 02:46:00,810
If anybody has.

3335
02:46:01,290 --> 02:46:02,610
You probably already got.

3336
02:46:03,330 --> 02:46:05,250
You part probably.

3337
02:46:05,330 --> 02:46:06,410
Gotten emails?

3338
02:46:06,850 --> 02:46:09,450
And maybe some phone calls from people about this.

3339
02:46:09,730 --> 02:46:14,330
You can tell them that there will be a public hearing if they want to come and express their.

3340
02:46:14,810 --> 02:46:16,610
Their feelings about this program?

3341
02:46:17,290 --> 02:46:21,210
Our first first meeting in May and then we'll have a vote on the 21st.

3342
02:46:22,330 --> 02:46:23,090
Any questions?

3343
02:46:25,020 --> 02:46:28,020
Thanks for all your efforts on this. This has been really important.

3344
02:46:28,130 --> 02:46:29,250
Oh, you're welcome.

3345
02:46:29,730 --> 02:46:34,210
Yeah, well done. It's been a long road and you've been in there from day one.

3346
02:46:34,610 --> 02:46:35,970
And holiday can be.

3347
02:46:36,880 --> 02:46:38,900
Proud of our contribution through you too.

3348
02:46:39,570 --> 02:46:39,970
Agreed.

3349
02:46:41,320 --> 02:46:42,000
Thanks, Drew.

3350
02:46:44,220 --> 02:46:44,740
OK.

3351
02:46:47,350 --> 02:46:50,260
We good communications and newsletter options.

3352
02:46:51,490 --> 02:46:53,890
Who's up on that? I think.

3353
02:46:54,010 --> 02:46:56,970
That is an old or this is the one that we're.

3354
02:46:57,090 --> 02:46:57,810
Postponing.

3355
02:46:57,930 --> 02:46:59,210
We are OK.

3356
02:46:59,450 --> 02:47:00,410
All right, very good.

3357
02:47:01,180 --> 02:47:02,380
Then Oh my gosh.

3358
02:47:02,650 --> 02:47:05,930
Where where it where it get excited time then?

3359
02:47:07,700 --> 02:47:09,780
Merely the calendar. OK, so we're.

3360
02:47:10,730 --> 02:47:13,170
Done for April and our next meetings we have got.

3361
02:47:13,250 --> 02:47:15,490
May 7th, 14th and 21st.

3362
02:47:16,190 --> 02:47:17,790
And then June 4th and 11th.

3363
02:47:20,970 --> 02:47:24,250
And I presume we don't have closed session, correct? No closed.

3364
02:47:25,260 --> 02:47:26,860
Well, gosh, what should we do now?

3365
02:47:27,290 --> 02:47:29,770
Motion to adjourn. I'll second that. All in favor.

3366
02:47:31,770 --> 02:47:31,810
I.

3367
02:47:32,330 --> 02:47:34,100
Thank you. Thanks everybody.