[0:00] Let's call the meeting of the City Council quarter.
[0:02] Will start, as always, with Pledge of Allegiance with the.
[0:06] Council Member Durham lead us in the pledge.
[0:10] I pledge allegiance to the flag.
[0:13] Of the United States of America.
[0:15] And to the Republic for which it stands.
[0:18] One nation under God.
[0:21] Indivisible.
[0:22] With liberty and justice for all.
[0:28] OK.
[0:30] Next up is public comment.
[0:32] I don't see ya.
[0:34] Huge crowd here today, but if there's any who wish to address the Council.
[0:38] Happy to take your comments.
[0:41] Seeing none.
[0:43] We'll close public comment.
[0:45] And move toward item number 4.
[0:49] Consideration of ordinance regarding our fireworks map.
[0:53] And with us today is Fire Marshall Wade Watkins.
[0:57] Who can address the issues and answer our questions and.
[1:01] Help us come to a decision now.
[1:02] Just a little backing up, we normally like to have a more robust.
[1:06] Discussion prior to taking a vote, but we are under the gun.
[1:10] In that way, this is our last Council meeting before the statutory May 1st declaration.
[1:15] We can discuss issues also of.
[1:18] How?
[1:20] Permanent This decision is relative to the fireworks.
[1:23] A season and there's not.
[1:25] Strict permanence.
[1:27] But we'll have to make a policy decision regarding.
[1:30] What kind of flexibility?
[1:32] Think we want to have in what direction that flexibility would go?
[1:37] And then also.
[1:40] Well, I can do a little more briefing with regard to the you all saw in your packet we have.
[1:47] Three options prepared.
[1:50] Of course the.
[1:51] Option A being the more restrictive, which is similar to what we had in 2021 through 2023.
[2:00] Options B&C are similar.
[2:03] I don't know that.
[2:05] Option B is A.
[2:07] Compromise between A and C so much it is a clean up of C in that it.
[2:12] Adds back in some areas that.
[2:14] I don't know if they're inadvertently.
[2:16] Left out or?
[2:18] Specifically left out, but they're.
[2:20] It's not necessarily a.
[2:21] A compromise option so much as a.
[2:26] Alternate version of C.
[2:30] So anyway.
[2:35] Let's get into some of the data and.
[2:38] And where the?
[2:39] The fire community is currently.
[2:41] Thinking about.
[2:42] This current season coming up.
[2:44] OK. Thank you for your time. Again, by way of introduction, my name is Wade Watkins. I'm a little proud. I've been born and raised
[2:49] in Holiday, went to Holiday Elementary, Olympus and so on and so forth. So I know the community very well.
[2:56] I'm really happy to be here tonight. I do want to message you.
[2:59] Some items about.
[3:01] The fireworks this year and and talk about resources and considerations before we get into anything else.
[3:07] So you all know about the interactive map which.
[3:10] By May 1st.
[3:13] We need to have the fireworks restrictions within your communities submitted so it can be populated on that map.
[3:19] That map is going to be published.
[3:21] On or before June 1st.
[3:24] Between.
[3:25] May to June 1st and even after June 1st.
[3:28] If there are any safety considerations with your community.
[3:31] Fire weather behavior being a priority.
[3:34] We can make adjustments to that map.
[3:36] So that decision you make?
[3:37] Tonight.
[3:38] Or before May 1st is going to be relative to.
[3:42] Getting that map published.
[3:44] In June.
[3:45] So we we have options, we have some latitude there.
[3:49] So if we want to err on the side of.
[3:52] Restricting.
[3:53] And then adjust that's an option if we want to air on the side of opening it up and.
[3:58] Restricting the.
[3:59] As we come closer to the fire weather or fire season.
[4:02] We can do that depending on what the weather does.
[4:07] So.
[4:08] We within the municipalities, and I'm just going to talk about this as a, as a point of education within your municipality, as
[4:14] your legislative body, you control those firework restrictions.
[4:19] In May I meant to.
[4:21] Anticipating forestry fires, state and lands to do some statewide restrictions.
[4:26] You're going to hear about that. You're going to hear.
[4:28] They're going to come out strong as they do, and it's usually in May, in the end of May. That's what I've noticed.
[4:34] So just understand that that that is for state owned lands.
[4:37] And unincorporated areas, and then you'll also hear about forest or.
[4:42] Forest Service restrictions, too.
[4:44] Those restrictions are not relative to your community here.
[4:48] So just a little bit of education for everybody because as soon as we hear that.
[4:52] You, you hear the citizens.
[4:54] Bring those restrictions up.
[4:56] State lands and unincorporated one it.
[4:58] Comes to forestry, fire state and lands.
[5:01] Another thing that's important to communicate is.
[5:03] Each vendor within the community and within Salt Lake County and or Utah County there is in which I serve.
[5:10] Each Bender will have a copy of the map, a hard copy at their vendor station, wherever they're selling their fireworks.
[5:18] They will also have a QR code that they connect.
[5:21] Connect to that.
[5:22] So if there are any changes.
[5:24] After the adoption of that map.
[5:27] The citizens are going to be able to see that to include.
[5:30] All the messaging we do as the unified fire authority to ensure that the public can see those changes.
[5:36] In that information.
[5:38] So tonight.
[5:40] Any questions you have about restrictions?
[5:44] Within your community, I am more than happy to answer.
[5:48] The metric to make these decisions? Many people have asked us what are the metrics being used?
[5:53] Currently, we have no direction from the state fire marshals.
[5:56] Office related to any metrics available.
[5:59] I reached out to multiple different fire marshals today to ensure that I was.
[6:04] Understanding what everybody else is doing.
[6:06] And we had that conversation and, and it's basically.
[6:10] To be determined to see what the fire weather does.
[6:13] I know that each of you want to make that decision and want to make an educated decision.
[6:19] But with that data, obviously when we experience drought, we can start considering that which we are.
[6:25] In a very dry year so far in the first quarter.
[6:28] That could change. I don't anticipate it changing.
[6:32] But I would say.
[6:33] Any information that we do have, any direction from the state and or other?
[6:38] Communities within Salt Lake County.
[6:40] We will communicate heavily through.
[6:43] Our liaison here to ensure that you have that information.
[6:47] One thing that I have noticed restrictions are.
[6:50] Average throughout Ufas, service area and other communities.
[6:55] Nobody has made any large adjustments that I'm aware of.
[6:59] So with all that said.
[7:01] Do I have any questions or concerns or anything that I'm missing?
[7:08] I guess the.
[7:09] The question I have is about.
[7:11] Relative conditions, I mean we've.
[7:13] We try to make this decision based on.
[7:17] Best data available.
[7:19] As opposed to.
[7:23] You know.
[7:25] Non data related.
[7:27] Because some of our residents, you know, love to have St. fireworks and.
[7:31] Others can't stand them.
[7:32] And so.
[7:33] We try to make it based on.
[7:35] Safety data.
[7:36] And I mean.
[7:38] Feels like it's we having to make this decision, although I'm grateful that we have flexibility available to us.
[7:43] To pivot.
[7:45] If we.
[7:46] If the circumstances change.
[7:51] So I guess if we can get into.
[7:54] Some data, I mean, for instance we.
[7:56] In 2021 through 2023 we had.
[8:00] Essentially in.
[8:01] The entire city was restricted. Is that right, Gina? Was it?
[8:04] 21 through 23.
[8:06] And that initial trigger in 2021? That was a.
[8:10] Extreme.
[8:11] Drought.
[8:12] And I don't remember if that was.
[8:14] On the May 1st time frame or if that came.
[8:17] After the fact if it was a subsequent adjustment.
[8:23] It was a subsequent adjustment, so we had our standard restrictions in place but then pivoted.
[8:29] June 1st when?
[8:31] Everybody's hair was on fire about.
[8:33] You know, severe.
[8:34] Drought conditions. We went from a.
[8:36] D2 to D.
[8:38] And that could happen again, or it may not.
[8:42] But is there any information on?
[8:46] Fuel load.
[8:47] And.
[8:49] Condition from what I've seen and they just you can confirm or.
[8:54] So you don't know or whatever, but.
[8:56] My understanding just in.
[8:58] You know my.
[8:59] Basic Internet.
[9:01] Research, OH.
[9:02] I'm sorry, I've already lost the credibility of my research. I did it on the Internet. Oh.
[9:08] But.
[9:10] Indicates that.
[9:13] The previous wet springs have brought.
[9:16] Significant.
[9:18] Increase in fuel load.
[9:20] While this year.
[9:22] Without any snowpack to speak of.
[9:25] That same fuel load is now.
[9:27] He's still there.
[9:28] And B hadn't been.
[9:30] Matted down and waterlogged. And so it's already.
[9:33] Drying.
[9:34] And becoming.
[9:35] A greater risk?
[9:39] Now certainly if we have a.
[9:40] Monsoon, June. That could all change, but as of now.
[9:44] What I'm reading and saying and hearing is that.
[9:47] The fire season has already started. It started early.
[9:51] And that that fuel load is heavy and.
[9:55] Relatively dry.
[9:57] Relative to the season we're in.
[9:59] You know, late April, early.
[10:01] When uh.
[10:02] We'd expect to have those fuels dry out more.
[10:04] More so in June and July.
[10:07] So that in my mind feels like.
[10:09] We're already in elevated, not just slightly elevated, but significantly elevated.
[10:15] Wildfire risk?
[10:17] Would that be?
[10:19] A fair evaluation? Or is it am I?
[10:22] Am I? Is my hair on fire too soon? Am I?
[10:26] Falling into the.
[10:28] Internet trap of telling me.
[10:31] You know.
[10:32] You know the panic mode.
[10:33] You know you get more clicks with panic mode than you do with.
[10:36] Calm mode so.
[10:38] I'd rather have a professional opinion than the Internet opinion.
[10:41] I recently, uh.
[10:43] Sat through a training related to fire weather through the Great Basin. I watched what was happening again when I say Great Basin
[10:48] in the wildland urban interface, so in in higher elevations.
[10:54] And we've had.
[10:56] Already.
[10:57] Fire behavior. We've had substantial fires already, which.
[11:00] I'm not going to say unprecedented, because we've seen.
[11:03] Stuff like this before.
[11:05] And that's where when you talk to fire personnel, we've seen it, we've been around it. I'm not a fan of fireworks. I'm not
[11:09] advocating for fireworks.
[11:13] I am advocating for a balanced approach.
[11:15] And I think.
[11:16] Bit what you're saying, Mayor, is very educated and you're paying attention to everything within your community and with the state
[11:20] of Utah.
[11:24] There are certain trigger points, and again this trigger point is the May 1st state is the preparatory.
[11:29] Preparatory.
[11:30] Trigger point to get that map up.
[11:33] Either approach you make.
[11:36] Whether you want to be.
[11:38] Restrictive and then open that up if weather changes is is a great option, or conversely if you want to do the opposite.
[11:46] That's a great option.
[11:47] I will ensure that you will have whatever information we have.
[11:51] And I would say from my perspective, it is in May.
[11:55] Or late April as we are right now.
[11:58] It's hard to tell where we're going to be in June.
[12:01] Right, it would be my best guess and I could be absolutely wrong.
[12:04] But I can promise you that you will get the most relevant and current information to make those changes if needed.
[12:11] During that time period.
[12:13] I anticipated dry year. I mean it's been this first quarter.
[12:16] This first quarter we did look up some statistics and we're.
[12:20] Like in the last 130 years this has been.
[12:23] I think ranked eighteen in the first quarter.
[12:25] Can that change?
[12:27] Absolutely. We're in Utah. Things do change like that.
[12:30] We are ready to communicate. We're ready to make sure that you guys have the information or.
[12:35] We're ready to change that map.
[12:38] If needed.
[12:39] So I can offer that.
[12:42] Looking at the different communities and again.
[12:44] Everybody's unique on how they want it, want to address this situation within their community, so.
[12:50] Those are the considerations and the information I have.
[12:54] Do I have any questions by chance?
[12:57] I have one.
[12:59] I understand.
[13:02] The variation that might occur from year to year.
[13:05] In in areas where there's.
[13:07] Really close interface with the.
[13:09] The Foothills? Mm-hmm.
[13:11] In the areas of the city that.
[13:16] More suburban.
[13:18] Is there?
[13:19] A significant difference from year to year or.
[13:22] Because people.
[13:23] Water and there's.
[13:26] More pavement and stuff like that.
[13:28] Is there really that kind of variation in those areas of the city?
[13:32] I would say.
[13:34] That when you have fire breaks which erode is a great example of fire breaks.
[13:39] It's less difficult for us to show up and put that fire out when there are those fire breaks.
[13:46] Where you do run into some challenges, anywhere you have contiguous fuel. So anytime you have a run of fuel.
[13:52] And we've seen that in adjacent communities. We haven't seen it in holiday or in recent years.
[13:58] Where fuel can light from different sources of ignition. Could it be fireworks? Yes. Can it be other sources of ignition? Yes.
[14:05] And you could see that fuel take off and run.
[14:08] So when you're.
[14:08] Fighting fire, from our perspective, if you have fuel breaks, that's going to slow things down. So it's manageable for us and it
[14:12] gives us time.
[14:16] I do know your community is very well manicured, generally speaking, and that's a big.
[14:21] Big importance.
[14:22] I do know that your historic data. I was the holiday liaison before Captain Brown and we.
[14:28] Briefly had a conversation about Have we seen anything?
[14:32] Of great significance during those firework periods.
[14:36] And we haven't.
[14:38] I do want.
[14:38] Want to caution everybody and say that.
[14:40] That bad things do happen, and we're going to.
[14:44] It's on us all to make sure that we.
[14:46] Reduce that risk as much as possible.
[14:49] Within reason.
[14:51] As we navigate this also.
[14:53] So.
[14:56] I guess I have a.
[14:57] On that more than a question.
[14:59] It does seem like this.
[15:01] This May 1st date is is tricky when it comes to looking at the weather, but given that that's the date that the legislature has
[15:05] said that we need to make the decision by.
[15:10] And the primary.
[15:13] Inputs that change every year.
[15:15] Are the weather and we're looking at historically low snow, snowpack. I mean I just pulled up on drought Utah Gov and we're at 15%
[15:20] of snowpack which is ridiculous.
[15:26] Were in extreme.
[15:28] Or yes, sorry, it's severe drought condition for also Lake County it feels like.
[15:33] If we.
[15:34] Didn't restrict to things.
[15:36] Under these conditions.
[15:38] Under what conditions would we restrict them?
[15:40] At this time of year.
[15:42] Obviously things can change and it sounds like we have some freedom to address that later on, but I just can't.
[15:47] Picture this time of year.
[15:51] A scenario.
[15:53] That we would.
[15:54] Would make the change that isn't this scenario.
[15:56] If that makes sense. That's kind of where I'm.
[15:59] I'm leaning right now.
[16:01] Just with our.
[16:02] With weather being the primary input, that changes from year to year.
[16:09] I think 2 going along with what Emily said, it's a lot.
[16:12] Easier.
[16:13] To lift restrictions.
[16:15] If we end up having a monsoon.
[16:18] Spring.
[16:19] And we find that the weather is no longer.
[16:22] A factor that we're weighing, I think it's a lot easier.
[16:25] To lift those restrictions that we've put in rather than place new restrictions if all of a sudden we're hitting 100°.
[16:33] May 10th.
[16:34] For the duration of the summer.
[16:37] I think that's a good point.
[16:39] Mayor Fotheringham, Can I?
[16:41] Offer a read of the statute. That might inform your decision a little bit.
[16:45] This is one of those statutes that's good for lawyers and bad for you because it.
[16:49] There's there's room for interpretation.
[16:52] And I can see how.
[16:54] Fire Marshall might have an interpretation that you can.
[16:58] Both bring the restrictions back or loosen the restrictions after the May 1 deadline.
[17:05] I think a more cautious reading of the statute is that.
[17:09] You can.
[17:10] Go less restrictive.
[17:12] After the May 1 deadline, but not more restrictive.
[17:16] After the May 1 deadline, if you go more restrictive after the deadline than I think.
[17:21] Your decisions open to challenge.
[17:24] Of course that's what we did in 2021, but.
[17:27] Everybody's hair was on fire, so no one challenged it.
[17:30] But just to make sure I understand, it's easier to.
[17:34] Loosen. Loosen then.
[17:36] You are. You're required to provide a map.
[17:39] By May 1.
[17:40] And then?
[17:41] The next.
[17:42] Section of the statute says the municipal legislative body may not close an area to the discharge of fireworks due to a historical
[17:47] hazardous environmental condition and less.
[17:53] It provides a map.
[17:54] In accordance with paragraph 3.
[17:57] I think again you could read that that.
[17:59] If you provide a map by May 1, you could provide.
[18:02] A different map later on.
[18:04] I think somebody that wanted to read this in a way that would say you.
[18:08] Can't restrict it other than on that date.
[18:11] Would say.
[18:12] If the map you provide after May 1 is more restrictive.
[18:17] It is not compliant with.
[18:19] The statutory requirement.
[18:21] A more cautious reading of the statute would be.
[18:24] As long as you provide the more restrictive map by May 1.
[18:29] You could.
[18:30] Bring that boundary in.
[18:32] At a later date and be less restrictive.
[18:34] And still comply.
[18:36] With that requirement.
[18:38] OK, very good.
[18:46] I had a sorry I have a question. Do we have any data?
[18:49] I'm sorry.
[18:50] Earlier, earlier conversations, but.
[18:53] Tying how many?
[18:55] Incidents are reported.
[18:56] They're directly tied towards fireworks.
[18:59] So.
[19:00] Again.
[19:02] I was the the liaison in Holiday City prior to Captain Dan Brown, so we have.
[19:07] And we're very aware of.
[19:09] Larger incidents or anything that's tied to fire to.
[19:13] Fireworks within the community.
[19:15] Within the windows.
[19:17] Of fireworks within Holiday City. We've had no large scale fires.
[19:21] That we've been aware of.
[19:23] And again, that's over the last decade during those windows of fireworks. It doesn't mean that fireworks outside of those windows
[19:27] have been a concern.
[19:32] Or illegal fireworks at different times, but that's.
[19:35] That's the window of time that we're looking at.
[19:39] So.
[19:40] Over the over the past decade.
[19:42] We're not aware of any fires that.
[19:45] Any large scale fires that came from fireworks? Could there be small fires or?
[19:49] Could there be? Could somebody have lit a garbage can on fire?
[19:53] Yes.
[19:54] During that time period, but nothing of scale that was notable.
[20:00] Yeah, the the notable one was from a lawnmower.
[20:02] Yes, so.
[20:03] And and I guess that's.
[20:05] Which is a far more innocuous sort, or less innocuous and benign?
[20:09] All we need is an ignition source.
[20:12] The fuel source and that's where you see a lot of those incidents come from.
[20:16] And it's many things that we don't.
[20:19] Notice until it's too late.
[20:21] So.
[20:22] And some of the areas I think about that are.
[20:26] Currently in the.
[20:27] Historically, less restricted zones would be in.
[20:29] In Natalie's backyard, because that's.
[20:31] Along that canal.
[20:34] Where there is.
[20:37] Gets wildland back in there, not.
[20:39] Much different than what burned.
[20:41] Across this week from St.
[20:43] At the public utility property, it's a lot of.
[20:45] Wild grasses and.
[20:47] Trees and such and.
[20:49] And I think about.
[20:52] You know what can happen there since it's.
[20:54] Not within the traditionally restricted zone.
[20:57] And is, you know, surrounded by neighbors on both sides.
[21:01] And.
[21:03] Including a neighbor.
[21:04] Puts on a fun firework.
[21:06] I hate to you know, but that's that's thing.
[21:09] It's the condition of those areas which are sprinkled throughout the city.
[21:14] That you don't.
[21:15] Know about necessarily, unless you live by them.
[21:18] And, and those would be the areas I'd be worried about the most.
[21:23] In a year that.
[21:24] We seem to be facing.
[21:26] If we were to make it.
[21:29] More like more restrictive like the.
[21:31] East of 13th East that we had done a few years ago.
[21:35] What would be the process?
[21:37] By which we would reevaluate that.
[21:39] So could we just have like somebody report come June and we could look at.
[21:46] At the more current weather or how, how do we how does that work?
[21:51] You come back at the request of your liaison. I could come back whenever you would like.
[21:56] I think June 1st would be a good target date in that time period whenever your council meeting lands.
[22:01] And I could revisit and give a current status of where we are.
[22:06] I could also tell you if we've had any red flag warning days. Again, that is the data.
[22:11] And that's I guess one good example.
[22:13] When we have consecutive red flag warning days where?
[22:16] We have that high risk of wildland fires.
[22:19] We do up staff, we do increase our ability to respond during those windows of time.
[22:25] And I guess I.
[22:26] Neglected to talk about that too during the windows of the fireworks season.
[22:31] We're always getting increase our staffing and the increase our capability.
[22:35] And ensure that our crews are ready to respond.
[22:38] So a lot of those fires that.
[22:40] Could become bigger.
[22:42] Were able to mitigate that and keep them very small.
[22:45] And be slightly.
[22:48] Leaning forward, I want to say aggressive, but it's not necessarily a.
[22:52] It's aggressive. We're taking an active approach in fire suppression.
[22:57] And that does kind of throw off the metrics because it's not an average day.
[23:01] Our crews are out.
[23:02] Fire prevention is out.
[23:04] Law enforcement.
[23:06] Heavy, yeah.
[23:07] So when there is.
[23:09] Something that happens, we get resources there really quick and we're prepared to respond to those.
[23:14] But.
[23:15] Back to the question, I'm more than happy to revisit and and talk about it.
[23:19] And how we interpret that?
[23:26] I've seen it both ways in my career. I've seen the restrictions open up.
[23:30] Or become more restrictive.
[23:33] And I've seen different things.
[23:35] How we approach it is definitely we want to make sure we're in line with the law, and I think this interpretation is a great way
[23:39] to approach it too.
[23:44] I guess my other question would be.
[23:47] Is June 1st the latest that we could revisit it? I guess I always just think like.
[23:51] Takes a few weeks for everything to dry out and there's no.
[23:54] June 1st is not the latest that I'm aware of. We.
[23:58] Bump into July.
[24:00] For sure, and see where we're at.
[24:02] Right. I know that the messaging, right. We want to be consistent with our messaging with our citizens.
[24:08] And that's definitely notable. And it can be a challenge if we.
[24:12] Call an audible right at the right at the line. So definitely a consideration. We want to be considerate.
[24:17] And I'd love to have some consensus. We will be doing some messaging.
[24:22] Through Salt Lake County and we'll also engage Emergency Management too in that message.
[24:28] To include our wildland division, we'll also be doing that. And all of this happens in May.
[24:33] I know. I wish it happened in April. At this point, I wish we had better.
[24:37] Information and messaging at this point but it's more of a may thing. But I understand the the challenges of getting this in by
[24:41] May 12.
[24:46] Thank you. You're welcome.
[24:47] I think.
[24:48] Just to be, you know, fair to the process, I think in the 2021 as I recall.
[24:53] You know, we initially had our standard map out, but then it was external information that came to us.
[24:59] The red flags came externally.
[25:02] Whereas in the opposite situation, if we take the path that Jamie suggests, where we.
[25:08] Assume a more restricted.
[25:10] Initial stance with the possibility of easing, well, no one from the outside is going to be.
[25:15] Externally coming to us unless we request it.
[25:17] Yeah. And so I think if we.
[25:20] I mean.
[25:20] Fortunately, we're.
[25:22] Hip deep in budget season.
[25:24] You know, uh.
[25:25] In June, but.
[25:28] I think if we assuming we go the.
[25:31] The approach that Jamie suggested.
[25:35] We'd want to also make sure we schedule a.
[25:38] Essentially a fairness.
[25:40] You know, even if it's a couple of minutes.
[25:42] To review the decision to make sure we're.
[25:44] Still good to go with it.
[25:46] In case we have them on soon, June.
[25:48] And Mayor, you could set that deadline in your adoption of the ordinance this evening as well. So if you wanted to revisit it.
[25:58] June 11th.
[26:00] That is direction you could provide in that ordinance.
[26:02] OK. And is that our?
[26:04] A meeting date for us June 11th.
[26:06] OK, convenient.
[26:09] Can you tell me?
[26:11] To what extent?
[26:13] Is the water levels in reservoirs and things like that relevant to water that's available for fighting a fire if it occurs? So is
[26:18] that a concern? So avid fisherman, so I know where the water is.
[26:24] Water levels are currently right now where that artificial state of where they are currently meaning.
[26:29] We've kept a lot of them very full.
[26:32] Within the Wasatch Front, I've fished many of the lakes and I've been surprised at how full they are, even understanding that we
[26:36] are currently in a drought.
[26:40] It doesn't mean.
[26:41] That that's necessarily.
[26:43] Correlated to the fuel load.
[26:45] More than you need to know, but I'll go on about it.
[26:48] Firefighters view it in a few different ways, usually when we have a.
[26:52] Big downpour.
[26:53] Throughout the first quarter.
[26:55] Water fuel links are going to be.
[26:57] Bigger and more robust later in the season, so the burn season pushes later in that year.
[27:02] Conversely.
[27:03] If you have the same if you have a lean year in the.
[27:07] The springtime.
[27:08] Your fuels are going to be drier earlier and you're going to have those flashy fuels, but they're not going to be as robust.
[27:15] Both are challenging.
[27:16] So there's never sometimes we see big.
[27:19] Water years and everybody, so we're going to be fine.
[27:22] And then?
[27:23] Sometimes we're not fine, so there's a lot of.
[27:26] Challenge and kind of anticipating how it's going to go and what it's going to be like.
[27:31] Wind, weather obviously, and topography anytime you have a top.
[27:37] Topographical change.
[27:38] Your challenges of fighting that fire become more arduous and more challenging, and the fire activity is more volatile.
[27:45] So those are some considerations.
[27:48] I know.
[27:49] One thing I love about holiday is how beautiful it is and how manicured it is, generally speaking.
[27:54] And I think we're in a really good place within the community.
[27:58] Another thing people bring up a lot.
[28:00] That you have mature trees and there is a canopy.
[28:05] The flashy fuels are more of my concern when we saw that fire in an adjacent community this last year.
[28:12] It was splashy fuels, it was cheat grass. It was that.
[28:15] Unmanicured areas or less manicured areas?
[28:18] There were the challenging component in how fast that fire moved through that area.
[28:23] To include a windy day with.
[28:25] Very dry weather.
[28:27] My question was really more about the availability of.
[28:30] To fight a fire if it occurs.
[28:32] We have, we have the availability.
[28:34] Oh girl. Yeah, definitely.
[28:38] Yeah, I'll leave it at that. Your municipal water supply is pretty.
[28:41] Pretty impressive and we can navigate that.
[28:45] There was a recent article in the Tribune talking about, I think it was Laura Briefer was quoted. I don't know if anybody else saw
[28:49] it.
[28:53] Saying that.
[28:54] It is possible.
[28:56] She wasn't saying that it would happen, but she didn't discount the.
[29:01] The possibility of.
[29:03] Water restrictions.
[29:05] Now I know that a lot of people on holiday like their like you say that the mature trees and.
[29:10] And their green lawns. So what is going to happen?
[29:14] To those trees and the lawns if.
[29:17] There are watering restrictions and it all dries out.
[29:20] What's that going to do to the?
[29:21] The fuel load increases the opportunity for fire anytime that relative even relative humidity in the in the ambient air.
[29:29] Is lesser. You get to run into fire situations. It's going to be.
[29:34] More challenging during the fire season. Easier starts of ignition.
[29:38] Were ignition to two fuel.
[29:40] So you can see that.
[29:42] That is another consideration, and that's something we need to look at too.
[29:52] So generally speaking then.
[29:53] What's your evaluation of the?
[29:55] Of the fuel load.
[29:56] Generally speaking, my evaluation is.
[30:00] Dry spring we're going to have early.
[30:03] Early starts this year.
[30:04] Meaning it.
[30:05] The fuels are going to be flashier. We're not going to have that dense fuel that we've normally had.
[30:10] Burn season is going to be earlier.
[30:12] We've already seen it.
[30:15] Can it change?
[30:16] It very, very may will.
[30:18] Change. So that's something too that we're always experiencing even the weather recently, right the the cool.
[30:25] Dropping when you walk outside, it's like, gosh, I thought springtime was here. It's not quite here.
[30:30] So I do think it's early, and I do.
[30:33] Would support.
[30:35] An approach of maybe more conservative, more restrictive, and then maybe an option to open that up.
[30:41] And we can work through it that way.
[30:44] And I can ensure that you'll have the most updated information.
[30:48] And again, as other communities make.
[30:51] Decisions. I'll make sure you're aware of those decisions too.
[30:55] I think it makes sense to me what you're saying is it looks like given the way the fuel loads looking with with.
[31:01] More earlier.
[31:04] Risks and we're in an earlier season to make this decision.
[31:07] We should restrict it now.
[31:09] And then revisit it later and just and see where we are if we need to make.
[31:13] Adjustments. Umm.
[31:14] And it looks like.
[31:16] Legally.
[31:16] The strongest position that we're in as well.
[31:23] We can.
[31:24] If there are any other comments, please let's go ahead and make them.
[31:28] If we're.
[31:28] If we're getting close.
[31:31] Then we're getting close to one of the motions.
[31:34] But I don't want to cut off any discussion. There's more that.
[31:38] More positions that want to be voiced.
[31:40] Or questions to be.
[31:42] Expressed well, maybe we need to because there's three options in our packet.
[31:46] 1 is.
[31:47] The 2025 map 1 is the 2025 map that also includes Old Mill Golf.
[31:53] Course and park and ride in Mill Rock area and then one is.
[31:56] The east of 13th I guess where I'm coming from with this discussion is.
[32:00] Option A.
[32:02] East of 13th East.
[32:05] I would be very very uncomfortable with just keeping the 2025 map.
[32:08] As it was given.
[32:10] Other situations. So I guess we probably want to clarify where we're.
[32:13] Where we're leading on that, that's that's kind of where I'm leaving.
[32:16] Leading us with option A yeah. And I'm I'm suggesting that we can.
[32:19] Proceed towards a motion for one of those options unless there's further discussion that.
[32:25] Anyone wants to?
[32:26] Engage in.
[32:29] I'm seeing a bunch of no shakes. So Emily.
[32:32] Comfortable making a motion.
[32:35] All right, Motion.
[32:36] Motion to approve resolution 2026, Dash.
[32:41] 033.
[32:43] Adoption restriction on the use of fireworks within certain areas of the city.
[32:48] I should say.
[32:49] 3A.
[32:51] That am I saying that right?
[32:52] OK.
[32:55] 2nd.
[32:57] OK, we have a motion and a second.
[32:59] Did we want to add to the motion or is it?
[33:01] About the June 11th.
[33:04] Thing. Would that be appropriate?
[33:07] Should I add that in in my motion motion to adopt with a?
[33:11] Option to reevaluate on June 11th.
[33:16] As previously.
[33:17] Resecond the second.
[33:19] Sure, OK.
[33:21] All right, so we have an amended.
[33:23] Motion and a second.
[33:26] Any discussion of the motion?
[33:29] I think I just.
[33:30] Think it's.
[33:31] Historically dry year, I would rather be safe than sorry. I think if we could have the opportunity to go back and reevaluate it.
[33:38] That'll be at the appropriate decision, but until we have more information about what the summer is going to look like, I think
[33:41] that.
[33:44] What makes sense?
[33:45] Very good. So let's go ahead and take the vote. You're also welcome to make comment.
[33:49] With your vote as well, let's start with.
[33:51] Councilmember Gray.
[33:53] Councilmember Quinn.
[33:54] Yes, Councilmember Bradley. Yes.
[33:56] Council Member Durham.
[33:57] Yes, Councilmember Sandwell.
[33:59] Yes.
[34:00] And chair votes yes.
[34:02] OK, very good.
[34:03] Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.
[34:08] All right.
[34:12] Nice to have consensus on something we don't always historically have consensus on.
[34:18] OK, I think we got a good path forward though.
[34:20] All right, item number 5.
[34:22] Consideration of a resolution regarding donation agreement for Canuteson Park.
[34:27] Entrance sign.
[34:28] Is there a?
[34:29] Staff.
[34:31] Commenting on that or.
[34:36] Hello Council, before you tonight is an agreement.
[34:39] Throughout with the Knudsen family.
[34:41] They are willing to donate $18,000 for the installation of a sign at Canuteson Park.
[34:46] For some of you who are.
[34:47] Part of the original construction of Canuteson Park, this was actually a sign that was envisioned by the architect at the time.
[34:53] So we already had a concept in place.
[34:55] And we've been working with a vendor that we have a good relationship with. So this just outlined some basic provisions of.
[35:01] What we're committing to and what the.
[35:04] The families committing to.
[35:05] I don't know if there's any questions even.
[35:07] I think a couple months ago Gina brought the design to you so you could kind of see what it looks like.
[35:11] Right now there's two monuments, the.
[35:15] At the opening of the park and there's just going to be an arch sign that goes between the two of them.
[35:19] So any questions?
[35:22] All right. Thank you.
[35:24] Are there any members of the Canadian family here tonight?
[35:30] OK. Happy to take a motion unless there's no further discussion.
[35:34] Go ahead, go ahead.
[35:35] I move to approve resolution 2026-11.
[35:39] Approving a donation agreement for Knutson Park Antifa.
[35:43] Entrance sign with the Knudsen family.
[35:46] 2nd.
[35:47] OK, we have a motion and a second.
[35:49] Council Member Gray.
[35:51] Yes, Councilmember Quinn.
[35:53] Yes, Councilmember Bradley. Yes. Councilmember Durham. Yes. Councilmember Sundwall. Yes. And chair votes yes. Thank you.
[35:59] OK, city management report.
[36:01] Regina, thank you.
[36:06] Good evening. I just have one small inquiry of the Council this evening.
[36:13] The Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. The Downtown Chamber.
[36:17] Has remained a.
[36:19] Pretty robust organization.
[36:22] We've seen shrinkage and other chambers, including our own.
[36:26] And that group offers leadership opportunities as well as economic development coordination opportunities.
[36:34] But in order to access those opportunities, we need to be members of the Salt Lake Chamber.
[36:42] Many of our.
[36:44] Other cities, including Mill Creek and Murray, are are currently members of those of that chamber.
[36:51] There's a $1500 cost associated with that.
[36:56] To access, I think what I consider really robust leadership development training.
[37:02] Would the council be comfortable if Holiday became a member of the Salt Lake?
[37:07] Chamber of Commerce.
[37:09] Yes.
[37:10] Gina question is.
[37:13] Are those opportunities for the Council or is it for?
[37:18] Businesses and holiday.
[37:20] Great question.
[37:22] The opportunity, the.
[37:24] Primary opportunity that I'm considering would be an opportunity for staff and that would be senior staff.
[37:30] But.
[37:31] There may be other opportunities for council members and that's just something that.
[37:35] I haven't keyed into I can as if you're the councillor is comfortable, that's certainly something.
[37:41] That I can better understand and share with you.
[37:44] It's basically.
[37:46] People in this building.
[37:47] Versus.
[37:49] Businesses in the city.
[37:51] Yes, although I think the.
[37:54] For instance, the economic development coordination might end up assisting our businesses as well. So it would be a trickle down
[37:58] OK.
[38:02] Thank you. Are there?
[38:04] Different categories of memberships because they're like a municipal.
[38:07] I believe there are and I think we are getting the.
[38:11] Very the most economical, yeah.
[38:17] Yeah, I'm comfortable with that.
[38:20] All right. Thank you. Yeah, I'd say.
[38:22] But if you're comfortable.
[38:23] Your call.
[38:25] Great. Anything else for me?
[38:29] Just there's. This seems to be an.
[38:31] A on one of the agenda versions as communication and newsletter options under your City manager report or bring something else
[38:37] with that. That is an item that I had intended to speak of about.
[38:43] In the work session.
[38:45] I think we're going to delay it until.
[38:48] To our budget conversations, just in the interest of getting the budget.
[38:52] Balanced.
[38:53] Ready. OK. Thank you.
[38:55] Let's proceed to council report.
[38:58] Issues. Let's stick with our order and Councilman Gray.
[39:01] Just a couple of things. Next week, representing Holiday on the Central Wasatch Commission, I have the opportunity to chair the
[39:06] Small Projects Committee.
[39:11] That disperses grants.
[39:13] For different projects throughout the Central Wasatch.
[39:17] Anybody here has interest in sharing thoughts about?
[39:20] Projects that they would want to support. Welcome to come talk to me about that.
[39:24] UH Cottonwood High School is having a community cleanup event in partnership with Fidelity Investments on Saturday from 9:00 to
[39:28] noon.
[39:32] Expect between 100 and 150 volunteers there to do some.
[39:38] Cleanup of the grounds.
[39:41] And then last.
[39:43] From Wasatch Front Waste and Recycling, we have our dates.
[39:46] For when holiday will be.
[39:49] Scheduled to reserve.
[39:51] Dumpsters for this year.
[39:53] Depending on where you are in holiday, it's going to be later. We kind of rotate with different municipalities each year. So it's
[39:56] going to be.
[39:59] In September.
[40:01] Between the 2nd and the 25th depending on where you are in the city.
[40:05] Reservations will begin.
[40:06] July 16th.
[40:08] They'll start at 8:00 in the morning instead of at midnight, so you don't have to set your alarm, which would be helpful.
[40:14] Umm, exciting news we're really grateful for is we have a 25% increase increase.
[40:19] In the number of containers.
[40:21] Available every day, so we're hoping to meet a lot of more people's needs.
[40:26] We also were going to have additional.
[40:29] Bulky waste drop off sites.
[40:31] That you can schedule at Holiday Lions.
[40:33] So if you still are not able to get.
[40:38] Container reservation.
[40:40] September 15th to the 17th, there's going to be a.
[40:43] Some dumpsters available at holiday lines to drop stuff off, so we have a lot of options for.
[40:49] People in our community to.
[40:51] Get rid of all of our stuff.
[40:52] That's it.
[40:54] Thanks.
[40:56] Thank you.
[40:58] I attended Morningside's community council meeting. They have some.
[41:01] Concerns, but those are with the district. It's just nice to see.
[41:06] How the Community Council process works.
[41:09] And how parents and teachers can be involved in that process.
[41:15] I also was.
[41:17] Privileged to be at the ribbon cutting of the French Bakehouse this morning.
[41:22] And very impressed with.
[41:25] Mayor Fotheringham's French accent. Wow, where did you learn that anyway? Google Translate this morning.
[41:32] Otherwise I don't speak French at all. Yeah, anyway.
[41:35] So we.
[41:37] Really appreciate.
[41:38] Our small businesses and.
[41:40] And how they're growing.
[41:41] And that's it.
[41:43] OK. Thank you.
[41:43] Councilmember Bradley.
[41:45] I can also attest Mayor Fotheringham's accent this morning was.
[41:50] Quite incredible.
[41:51] It was great. We are taking applications right now for the Holiday City Youth Council.
[41:58] If you know of anyone.
[42:00] That will be in 9th to 12th grade next year that lives in holiday.
[42:05] Please encourage them to apply we.
[42:08] Would love to see a full and robust youth council.
[42:11] Again for the next school year.
[42:13] So if you have any questions, talk to me or Stephanie.
[42:19] I've been talking about this for a while, but this?
[42:21] Friday is the day, it's Harbor Day and there will be a tree planting at the Waldorf.
[42:25] Wasatch School.
[42:27] Our tree committee has been really involved in working closely with.
[42:31] The school there, we have one of our great Tree committee volunteers in the audience with us here tonight, which is great.
[42:38] And then the other thing I was going to mention is that Council member.
[42:41] Quinn and I are going to be attending a.
[42:43] Emergency preparedness.
[42:46] Meeting on Friday, tomorrow evening.
[42:49] I think Alison Jester will also be there.
[42:52] But that it encompasses a lot of the areas in our city and.
[42:56] Should be a good event.
[42:58] OK, I don't have anything at this time.
[43:02] OK, yeah, French Bakehouse was fun. It was a great a great event this morning.
[43:07] I've already forgotten how to say what I said so.
[43:11] I was listening to it like.
[43:12] Within 5 minutes I've already lost it.
[43:16] Also that this week I was able to attend the UPD.
[43:20] Award ceremony at the Murray Armory.
[43:22] And our detective.
[43:25] Eastern Story won.
[43:27] Almost every award that was possible for him to win.
[43:30] So, umm.
[43:32] And no one else I think came close to his count.
[43:34] So we really have some stars.
[43:37] In our precinct and.
[43:40] Anyway, the event itself was.
[43:42] Was very impressive the.
[43:45] Both UPD and UFA both.
[43:47] When they when I go to these awards ceremonies and their.
[43:50] Promotion ceremonies there's.
[43:52] Such a strong culture.
[43:54] With these organizations that speak so highly of the leadership.
[43:58] Of these organizations.
[44:00] Where they pay attention to the importance of.
[44:03] Culture.
[44:04] And and teamwork and.
[44:07] And and being on the governing board, I also.
[44:11] Appreciate.
[44:12] The ability that we have.
[44:14] In our city.
[44:15] In our neighboring cities to provide.
[44:18] Governing input.
[44:19] But that relationship also creates a strong sense of customer service.
[44:24] From these organizations to the communities they serve.
[44:27] Which I think is unique.
[44:30] And well, I think we really enjoy the benefits of that in so many ways and.
[44:35] And.
[44:36] Anyway, so congratulations to Detective Story and the other awardees from Holiday.
[44:41] And Speaking of awards.
[44:45] Ufas awards dinner is also tomorrow night. I'm apologizing. I'm leaving town tomorrow morning so I won't be able to hit the Arbor
[44:48] Day thing or the.
[44:53] Emergency preparedness thing or the UFA awards but.
[44:58] Chief Dan, are you going to the awards thing tomorrow night or?
[45:05] Sorry about that.
[45:06] I am going fun so.
[45:09] OK. So anyway, anyway, thanks to our UFA and up partners, we really appreciate your service. And of course, we'll be hearing from
[45:12] UPD.
[45:17] A little bit later in the.
[45:18] Program.
[45:19] OK, that's all I have.
[45:20] So we can go ahead and we'll take a motion to.
[45:24] Recess and reconvene, as it were.
[45:29] Move to recess City Council and reconvene in a work meeting.
[45:33] 2nd.
[45:33] All in favor.
[45:35] Aye, any opposed?
[45:37] Does anybody need to take a break or do we get to?
[45:40] All right, do you need to change the recording?
[45:43] We're good to go.
[45:44] All right, MHTN.
[45:47] You are up.
[45:58] OK.
[46:01] City Council.
[46:03] Good to be back in front of you again.
[46:06] We'll hopefully have a good discussion here. Feel free to interrupt us at any time with questions.
[46:11] Anything that you need to answer, we will attempt to do so.
[46:15] So this is for the spring laying adaptive reuse plan.
[46:19] The bridging document.
[46:20] Portion of this.
[46:22] And I don't know is there a Clipper to advance the screen or did I just?
[46:25] Go to the next.
[46:27] OK. I'll just go next, next slide then.
[46:31] So for today, we're just going to have a brief overview where we.
[46:34] Overview of the schedule.
[46:36] We're going to have a review of a dog.
[46:38] Dog park tour #2.
[46:40] And then we're going to talk about the community engagement.
[46:43] That we held just over a week ago.
[46:45] And then talk about next steps moving forward.
[46:49] So for the schedule overview.
[46:51] Up to this point, we have completed.
[46:54] Two dog tours.
[46:55] Park or two dog park tours.
[46:58] We've hosted a community engagement event.
[47:01] An open house again just over a week ago.
[47:04] And then we.
[47:04] We've also completed the community survey.
[47:07] Which we'll also review here.
[47:09] So in progress.
[47:10] Is we're going to have a summary of that survey.
[47:14] We're going to finalize.
[47:16] You know the program will.
[47:17] Hopefully.
[47:18] Finalized program locations within the park.
[47:21] And then upcoming will have an updated cost estimate, updated schematic plan.
[47:26] And then the final bridging documents.
[47:28] And we'll talk about that when we get to next steps.
[47:32] I'm going to turn it over to Tate here to discuss Dog park tour #2.
[47:38] Yeah, Thanks, Vince.
[47:39] Appreciate that.
[47:41] So like was mentioned before, we finished up our second round of a dog park tour. Our first round was in Bountiful at the
[47:45] Brickyard Park Park.
[47:50] This time we had the opportunity to go to the Mill Race Dog Park.
[47:54] In Taylorsville, where we met with.
[47:57] Joey Bona, who is the facilities manager at Taylorsville.
[48:01] And he gave us some great insight.
[48:05] So while we were.
[48:06] Looking at that and reviewing.
[48:09] Some of your comments, some of the comments from the previous tour.
[48:13] We noticed a few things that were similar, a few things that were different that we thought were worth noting. First and foremost,
[48:16] I think we all noticed that.
[48:20] Both were very popular within their respective communities.
[48:24] We saw many people.
[48:26] Arriving or we're already there by the time that we arrived.
[48:29] Very, very popular.
[48:32] Despite some of their differences.
[48:34] In terms of size and access and things like that.
[48:37] They also both had learned the lesson not to fight the the grass, which I think is a lesson learned for us as well.
[48:44] Both had opted for.
[48:46] More of a bark mulch option, which I think is a great lesson.
[48:50] That we don't need to learn ourselves, we can learn from others.
[48:53] Well, let me let me interrupt. Is there also some value in having the?
[48:58] Community learned that lesson with you.
[49:01] Probably.
[49:02] So meaning necessarily starting out with the grass because if we go.
[49:06] Pull that trigger too soon.
[49:09] When I get to Why do you keep the grass?
[49:11] For sure, our community may want to experience that lesson with us, as long as we're prepared to pivot.
[49:17] When the time is right.
[49:18] Totally, I think. I think there are.
[49:20] You know, that's something that.
[49:22] You guys will have to weigh.
[49:23] When that decisions made of.
[49:25] Is that something you know? We want to experience that growing pain with the community.
[49:29] There's maybe some.
[49:30] Budget that comes along with that in terms of.
[49:32] You know originally installing some irrigation in that grass and then if you do want to convert it.
[49:38] There's conversion costs, things like that, so.
[49:41] Few things to consider there if we if we do want to go that route.
[49:45] Some of the things that we noticed that were.
[49:47] That were unique to Mill Race or different in comparison to the Bountiful Park. First and foremost was that it was much larger.
[49:55] I think in terms of area, the mill race was almost exactly double of what the Bark Park was.
[50:02] And is currently triple of what we were originally showing in the 2024 master plan or holding for our dog park.
[50:09] So so good size larger.
[50:11] So what was the size of Bountiful and in Taylorsville?
[50:14] Bountiful was.
[50:16] Just under .9 acres. Taylorsville was 1.7, a little over 1.7 checkers.
[50:21] I am so.
[50:24] Much larger. This is the largest site that we had visited and with that size they had the opportunity to do a few kind of extra
[50:29] things that maybe.
[50:33] Will be a little bit more challenging for us. They had some some fun.
[50:36] Program elements, hills and tunnels and things like that.
[50:41] That you know with with more space you can do.
[50:44] Some things like that.
[50:45] One thing that I think was very popular with our group as well as the people that we saw using the park.
[50:51] Wasn't that interior walking path?
[50:54] Within that dog park, it seemed to be very, very popular.
[50:57] With umm.
[50:59] You know, creating that mobility for not only.
[51:01] It acting as a recreation spot for the dogs themselves, but.
[51:05] Allowing the the residents to come in and get some active recreation.
[51:09] In the at the same time.
[51:11] So I thought that was.
[51:12] That was a great.
[51:14] Ad for them.
[51:16] And that was, you know, something that that we heard back from, from you guys as well.
[51:19] So we'll be looking into that certainly.
[51:22] A couple other things that were unique, specifically that.
[51:25] The permitting system.
[51:26] That they have at Mill Race, just as a reminder.
[51:30] The The Mill Race Park itself is free for for anyone to use but the access to to the dog park facility.
[51:37] Does require a permit.
[51:40] So that is available online for residents of Taylorsville. It is $10 currently for a year.
[51:46] And for non residents, it's also available.
[51:48] $25.
[51:50] For that year.
[51:51] And that's largely to help offset some of the maintenance costs associated with.
[51:56] Running the dog park, replacing some of the doggy bags, bark refreshes, things like that.
[52:02] So that's the system that they've adopted.
[52:05] We thought it was interesting, maybe something worth considering.
[52:09] With that.
[52:10] When you're considering.
[52:12] There are other.
[52:13] Elements to that of OK, how is that police? What systems are they running to track that?
[52:19] Does that potentially encourage people?
[52:22] To not use the dog park.
[52:24] And use.
[52:26] The rest of the park as in.
[52:28] Quote UN quote dog park.
[52:29] Even though that's not what you want, right?
[52:31] Just something to consider.
[52:33] If we do want to look at that approach.
[52:37] And then when speaking with maintenance, that was one thing that.
[52:39] That we noticed that was very different between the two dog parks.
[52:43] In Bountiful if you recall.
[52:45] They really were struggling with some of their maintenance. They.
[52:48] They saw a significant increase in costs. They were spending a lot of time there, I think almost daily.
[52:54] And they had at least one person from their Parks and Rec team on that site.
[52:58] Whereas when we spoke with the facilities manager and crew.
[53:02] For Taylorsville.
[53:04] They really didn't see a.
[53:06] Too big of a change between managing the dog park and the rest of that park.
[53:11] There was some.
[53:12] You know, unique things like changing the doggy bags and stuff, but in terms of effort and labor.
[53:17] It was largely the same.
[53:19] From their opinion so.
[53:21] Some some conflicting comments from two different municipalities that will want to.
[53:25] You know, think about and consider as we move forward with ours.
[53:29] Our decision.
[53:32] One thing that we noticed that was.
[53:33] Really well done from.
[53:35] Both uh.
[53:36] Dog parks was the vehicular access.
[53:40] To the park itself. The dog park itself.
[53:43] I think in both situations you could park your car and with a MET within a matter of feet you could access that dog park.
[53:49] So this is great for.
[53:51] Residents who are wanting to.
[53:53] Immediately.
[53:55] You know.
[53:56] Get into that dog park with their dog. They're only coming to our site for that dog park. They don't need to trek through the
[53:59] site.
[54:03] In order to access it.
[54:05] So in that sense, I think that's a great positive that both sites had going for them.
[54:10] I think 1 maybe caveat to consider with that.
[54:14] Is.
[54:15] With better vehicle access does that.
[54:19] Increase our regionality.
[54:21] Of that dog park, are more people going to be driving in if it's easier access?
[54:25] So something to consider there, I know that.
[54:27] The ultimate goal for this, while everybody is welcome, we do want to kind of keep it at a neighborhood scale.
[54:33] So just something to think about that that may increase that regionality.
[54:37] Whereas you know the neighborhood itself who are coming to use the dog bark.
[54:42] Maybe walking their dog to the park directly anyway.
[54:45] So in anticipation of potentially looking at shifting the dog park.
[54:50] Over for better vehicle access.
[54:52] We started prepping.
[54:53] A few different.
[54:55] Diagram options.
[54:57] That we wanted to present.
[54:59] To the community.
[55:02] Open house that we had.
[55:03] And so we'll go ahead and transition back to Vince and he can talk a little bit about those options.
[55:11] All right, so.
[55:12] Again, we held this on the 15th, so again just over a week ago.
[55:16] We presented.
[55:18] To the and this is also part of the survey.
[55:21] We presented to them three options, but we also let them.
[55:25] Move the pieces around and to see what they came up with so.
[55:29] For what we're talking about here is this was our.
[55:31] Our survey site, option one.
[55:33] Basically.
[55:35] Compared to the original.
[55:37] One that we had done previously.
[55:39] We lost some parking.
[55:41] And you can see that with the dog park here is pushed over to the northeast corner.
[55:45] An educational garden over on the southeast. I'll call it Corner.
[55:49] Outside of the parking.
[55:51] Pickleball courts in the middle.
[55:53] Playground with two multi-purpose fields.
[55:56] Pretty much everything here is.
[55:58] The rest of it is consistent with the.
[56:00] 2024 Master Plan.
[56:03] So an option 2.
[56:05] Things shift a little bit again. The dog park shifted over to the.
[56:09] This northwest corner.
[56:11] And the the planted area went over to the northeast corner.
[56:15] For the most part, everything else.
[56:18] Stays the same.
[56:21] The pickleball.
[56:22] The Plaza, the pavilion shift ever so slightly.
[56:25] And that was survey option #2.
[56:28] Option #3.
[56:30] This eliminates basically what we were calling the garden area.
[56:37] The dog park is still over up on that.
[56:39] Northwest.
[56:41] Corner.
[56:43] And the pickleball shifted down behind this entry Plaza.
[56:46] And then the playground shifts over and takes up a more of a portion over on the the northeast side of it.
[56:53] And the multi-purpose field state in the same.
[56:58] And again, that shift at the dog park was for, you know.
[57:02] Better access.
[57:03] From the parking lot straight to the dog park.
[57:06] So in our.
[57:08] Our next slide here. This is just some pictures. We had over 50 attendees.
[57:14] Which is impressive.
[57:16] And again you can see.
[57:18] They a lot of them were having really good discussions and interactions with each other.
[57:23] And if we go to the next slide here.
[57:25] These are we took pictures of some of the options that they came up. This is like 4 out of I think 8.
[57:31] Pictures that we took of different things.
[57:34] You'll notice in in at least one of the options, the dog park disappears completely.
[57:39] From that and we'll get to some of our observations that were there.
[57:43] Playgrounds shifted different places.
[57:46] In all of them, it was fairly consistent that the play fields themselves.
[57:50] Remained on that South side.
[57:55] And there was one option where the dog parked.
[57:57] Like at least doubled in size. It's not shown here, but they had a whole at least quarter of the part taken up with the dog park.
[58:05] So some observations that we had.
[58:07] These are concerns that they were raising.
[58:10] 1st is to consider the noise and lighting impacts.
[58:13] Particularly on the, you know, the neighbors that are around there.
[58:16] That was a big one.
[58:18] Again, pickleball noise and noise from the dog park.
[58:21] Primary concerns that they had.
[58:25] They also said we'd be mindful of the dog park size and.
[58:28] Placement on the site.
[58:31] Again, some of the residents wanted a much larger dog park.
[58:34] And others.
[58:36] Wanted a smaller dog park?
[58:38] When when they were requesting mindfulness.
[58:41] Of the placement of the dog park were the concerns about noise, primarily noise and then people.
[58:47] I know particularly.
[58:49] There was at least one lady on the.
[58:51] East side that have concerns because it was right up against our property but most of its noise and then.
[58:56] Introducing more people.
[58:57] OK.
[58:58] So I'll call IT security.
[59:00] So was there any concern as far as like having the dog park next to like the playground and having dogs and kids interact with
[59:05] nobody? Seemed that wasn't a concern. That wasn't necessarily a concern, OK.
[59:10] So.
[59:11] Can you explain to me what lighting?
[59:13] Are we planning on? At the moment we are not necessarily planning any lighting. There may be some lighting that's required maybe
[59:18] for security reasons.
[59:23] But we're not playing the light pickleball court.
[59:25] Until 10, No, no, no, no.
[59:27] There's no.
[59:28] There's no plan to light the pickleball works at all.
[59:30] All right. Thank you.
[59:31] So unless somebody shows up and.
[59:34] You know, plays in the headlights of a car.
[59:37] That I don't think that's going to happen.
[59:40] With regards to the doc.
[59:42] Park and the pickleball courts. There was more of a.
[59:45] Preference to be the Central North.
[59:48] Portion of that park.
[59:49] And again.
[59:50] That moves the pickleball.
[59:52] Away from.
[59:53] The majority of the neighbors.
[59:56] And again.
[59:56] Pickleball noise is loud and it can be heard.
[59:59] For quite a distance.
[1:00:01] So.
[1:00:02] Other comments that came out of is is again shade.
[1:00:06] Seating other type amenities.
[1:00:09] The most people want.
[1:00:12] When it came to the.
[1:00:13] The dog park.
[1:00:14] Signage.
[1:00:17] Making sure that any rules that were posted were clear of what was expected, what was allowed.
[1:00:22] And then also for parking.
[1:00:24] And then the other thing that came out again was to create landscape buffers.
[1:00:28] And trails to help separate some of the uses.
[1:00:32] And those are the main comments that we heard.
[1:00:37] All right, I'm going to turn it over to Emily because this next here refers back to the survey.
[1:00:42] And she is our survey expert.
[1:00:51] Before diving into this survey, I wanted to.
[1:00:54] Sure, a little bit about the process.
[1:00:57] Just wanted to share that there are multiple ways for people to provide feedback.
[1:01:01] So one being this online survey.
[1:01:04] Another one being.
[1:01:05] The open house.
[1:01:06] There are also paper surveys at the open house as well if people wanted to participate in that way.
[1:01:12] And we also received several.
[1:01:14] Comments over e-mail that were forwarded to us.
[1:01:17] So I just wanted to to make note of that and.
[1:01:21] You know, we recognize that there's lots of strong feelings.
[1:01:23] Especially related to the dog park.
[1:01:25] And the pickleball courts just wanted to make sure that all those.
[1:01:29] Comments were captured.
[1:01:30] Will be documented and.
[1:01:32] In the plan.
[1:01:34] And considered in the design process moving forward.
[1:01:37] Forward SO.
[1:01:40] Regarding the survey.
[1:01:42] The the number you see here the 203 responses.
[1:01:46] That was as of.
[1:01:48] April 17th.
[1:01:50] When this was exported.
[1:01:52] So just as a follow up to that.
[1:01:55] And incorporating the paper surveys, we're at 232.
[1:02:00] Survey responses.
[1:02:01] So special things to Lena and team for sharing it out with the community and.
[1:02:05] And getting people out, too.
[1:02:07] Participate in this.
[1:02:11] So this question here.
[1:02:14] People got to.
[1:02:16] Share what options they preferred.
[1:02:21] So as you can see the.
[1:02:22] The rankings were kind of spread.
[1:02:24] Pretty evenly with.
[1:02:25] A slight preference for option 2.
[1:02:28] Just wanted to.
[1:02:30] Make note that you know the options were.
[1:02:32] Were shared to the community as a.
[1:02:35] A way to understand some of these nuanced.
[1:02:38] Preferences. So you do have situations where.
[1:02:41] People voted for an option, but then in the open.
[1:02:44] Response section would share.
[1:02:46] I liked this.
[1:02:47] But I would.
[1:02:48] Want to change this as part of option.
[1:02:50] You know, 1-2 or three.
[1:02:52] So I just wanted to.
[1:02:54] Provide that context.
[1:02:59] Let's see here.
[1:03:01] One more thank you.
[1:03:04] And then people are also able to share how important.
[1:03:08] Of the different elements were.
[1:03:11] And on the site.
[1:03:12] So the top ones being.
[1:03:15] The all ages and abilities playground.
[1:03:18] Plaza Pavilion.
[1:03:20] Restrooms.
[1:03:21] The trails and pathways were.
[1:03:23] Where Sheridan's being very important or important.
[1:03:29] Yes, Uh-huh.
[1:03:30] So it seemed to be very important to the community.
[1:03:34] And The Wanted to.
[1:03:37] Make note of.
[1:03:38] The top two of the pickleball courts and and dog parks.
[1:03:42] It was kind of a split.
[1:03:43] Answer on there.
[1:03:45] Some people saying it's not important at all.
[1:03:47] Other thing that's very important to them.
[1:03:50] And and that kind of reflects in some of the conversations we had at the open house as well.
[1:03:55] Just wanted to make a reminder of the.
[1:03:58] Survey that was set out in.
[1:03:59] 2024.
[1:04:01] With the.
[1:04:03] The master plan.
[1:04:05] And just sharing that.
[1:04:06] You know, the pickleball courts and dog parks.
[1:04:09] You know, ranked pretty high were pretty important to to people.
[1:04:12] And and all of these elements.
[1:04:14] Here came.
[1:04:16] From that.
[1:04:17] Serbia.
[1:04:19] Amenities to incorporate in the.
[1:04:21] Park.
[1:04:26] OK for this one as funding opportunities become available?
[1:04:29] What elements should be prioritized?
[1:04:33] Pubs and trails again leading.
[1:04:35] Pretty far in this.
[1:04:37] And the playground.
[1:04:41] Pavilion Plaza restrooms.
[1:04:43] That seems to all be, you know.
[1:04:44] Pretty consistent there.
[1:04:51] And then we wanted to incorporate a question about.
[1:04:54] The theming of the park.
[1:04:56] You know what?
[1:04:57] What types of themes or values want to be?
[1:05:00] Shown in the space.
[1:05:02] So.
[1:05:05] A lot of these things were recommended by staff and.
[1:05:09] The previous survey.
[1:05:11] So this was.
[1:05:12] An attempt to capture that so.
[1:05:15] Wildflowers and native landscape.
[1:05:17] We heard from the community that.
[1:05:19] Highlighting the.
[1:05:21] The surrounding.
[1:05:22] You know Flora.
[1:05:24] And and having a connection with nature was was really important.
[1:05:29] And also celebrating.
[1:05:32] The water.
[1:05:33] In the area too.
[1:05:35] Lots of conversations about.
[1:05:37] Incorporating.
[1:05:39] Water.
[1:05:40] Conscious plantings.
[1:05:41] Being mindful of the maintenance on the park as well.
[1:05:46] And then this last one here, where the the valley meets the mountain.
[1:05:49] So again, celebrating the.
[1:05:51] The views and.
[1:05:53] Connection to nature.
[1:05:56] To the residents.
[1:06:00] OK. And then?
[1:06:01] These these drawings were from the open house.
[1:06:04] So just kind of a way for kids to participate.
[1:06:08] In this process as well and.
[1:06:10] They were also at the maps.
[1:06:11] Sharing their their insights about what they'd like to see.
[1:06:14] On the site and.
[1:06:15] How they'd like to experience it.
[1:06:18] So these images here.
[1:06:21] Kind of sharing about.
[1:06:23] Again the connection to nature, but then also.
[1:06:26] Thought some fun elements from.
[1:06:27] Storybooks and.
[1:06:29] Areas for.
[1:06:30] Reading and presentations would be fun.
[1:06:33] As well as.
[1:06:34] You know, getting connected to.
[1:06:35] To others at the park.
[1:06:42] Any questions with regards to the process or?
[1:06:46] Our observations.
[1:06:51] I don't know, I thought it was a very.
[1:06:53] Revealing one that.
[1:06:54] There wasn't, you know, something that was screaming out, this is the one, so.
[1:06:59] I think that tells me that.
[1:07:01] We've got the.
[1:07:02] General programming and amenitization.
[1:07:05] Done. Well, now it just comes down.
[1:07:08] And here's where I want to then.
[1:07:11] Come back to your professional expertise in.
[1:07:14] We've got the.
[1:07:15] Values. So now we just want to make sure our design is.
[1:07:18] OK, professionally done and not.
[1:07:22] Not my.
[1:07:23] You know plumber.
[1:07:24] Being the one designing it necessarily, but having landscape architects then.
[1:07:29] Helping us.
[1:07:31] Put the placement in ways that don't conflict and.
[1:07:33] And that makes sense from a.
[1:07:35] Phasing standpoint.
[1:07:36] That kind of what I.
[1:07:38] I'm interpreting from.
[1:07:40] What I saw and also that the.
[1:07:42] Trails where the.
[1:07:43] The number one, I wasn't expecting that.
[1:07:45] That's something we're seeing in other other cities also, that trails is becoming.
[1:07:51] Much more valued.
[1:07:52] So.
[1:07:54] So I know I have heard from.
[1:07:57] Many people that live.
[1:07:58] In particularly for.
[1:08:01] Two and three where we have the dog park.
[1:08:04] On the other side of the film.
[1:08:06] And one, there's a buffer.
[1:08:08] In between.
[1:08:09] The homes.
[1:08:11] And where the dog park placement was on maps 2 and three, there is not a buffer.
[1:08:16] And they are quite concerned about having a dog park right up next to their property line.
[1:08:23] And I am too. That's not something I would want.
[1:08:27] And so I'm hoping maybe we can find a.
[1:08:30] Better placement I know no one wants the dog park on either side of their homes, correct?
[1:08:35] But if we do end up putting it in that.
[1:08:37] Corner, I do think we need to.
[1:08:40] Make sure those residents have that buffer that.
[1:08:43] They don't have a dog park right up next to their property line.
[1:08:46] Correct.
[1:08:47] Is it is it possible to add that the trail?
[1:08:50] On that far side? Or does that make it too narrow?
[1:08:54] It's possible.
[1:08:56] It's possible. So there what we're showing here are just blocks of space and they can be adjusted.
[1:09:03] As we need them to.
[1:09:06] My guess is that we're going to be moving the dog park if we go back to option one.
[1:09:14] This is my suggestion.
[1:09:16] Is that we take the educational garden and we move it to the other side.
[1:09:20] And we take the pavilions, the pickleball.
[1:09:23] And the dog park and we slide it over.
[1:09:26] So that the pavilion which will be used intermittently.
[1:09:30] Would basically shield.
[1:09:33] Those residents, they wouldn't have dogs barking.
[1:09:37] Educational garden, on the other side would.
[1:09:39] Shield the residents on that east side.
[1:09:42] But that's my.
[1:09:43] Professional, so it makes.
[1:09:45] The pickleball courts in the dog park More central. It is more than on one.
[1:09:49] And it gets them further away from.
[1:09:51] The basically the residents on the.
[1:09:54] I think that would be appreciated by.
[1:09:56] All of the residents there.
[1:09:58] Yeah.
[1:10:00] So maybe we'll even get to that when we get to next steps, because the next steps really are.
[1:10:04] OK, we've got the values now it's.
[1:10:07] Now let's.
[1:10:09] Sharpen this thing up with the professionals.
[1:10:12] Correct. And so we can go back anymore questions?
[1:10:17] OK, so this is the next.
[1:10:20] Process that we have to go first of all is the finalization of the.
[1:10:23] Program locations.
[1:10:25] And this would be based on.
[1:10:27] Council feedback.
[1:10:29] And the community engagement, we know that there have been.
[1:10:31] The the city's received emails and and things like that responses back.
[1:10:36] And were aware of them and we'll, we'll try and.
[1:10:38] Make sure that everybody.
[1:10:40] At least am I happy.
[1:10:42] We know we can't necessarily please everybody.
[1:10:44] But again, we're looking for your feedback in terms of.
[1:10:47] What's the right location?
[1:10:50] I think we've had, you know, we've just had some discussion here on that.
[1:10:54] And then?
[1:10:55] After that, once we get that finalized, you know.
[1:10:58] Will give you the full community engagement.
[1:11:00] Feedback Summary.
[1:11:02] We've had we'll.
[1:11:04] Come with a.
[1:11:05] Actual schematic or?
[1:11:07] Refined concept plan.
[1:11:09] And then we'll produce the final bridging document, which will then be presented to.
[1:11:14] Design build teams in the future to actually.
[1:11:18] Complete 100%.
[1:11:20] Documents.
[1:11:22] Just one thought too. It sounds like it didn't come out in your meetings, but just something that.
[1:11:25] That I.
[1:11:26] I see just with.
[1:11:27] People with kids, if we can provide.
[1:11:30] Separate entrances to make it very easy, just like we talked about with the other dog parks where they can get their dog into the
[1:11:36] park within a couple of feet and then another option for people with kids to go into the playground.
[1:11:44] So that if you don't want to run into the dogs.
[1:11:46] There's a way for you to avoid that.
[1:11:48] With your with little kids.
[1:11:49] Correct.
[1:11:50] Correct. And that and yeah, we're aware of that.
[1:11:53] Yeah, the dogs can.
[1:11:54] At times be frightening to.
[1:11:56] To kids, particularly Orthodox, super excited and.
[1:11:59] You know, a kid may not realize that it's just being friendly.
[1:12:03] Yes, yes.
[1:12:04] Correct.
[1:12:08] So.
[1:12:11] Getting to these next steps but I want to make sure I'm not skipping anything or.
[1:12:15] Are you getting what you need or?
[1:12:17] Tell us when you need more from us.
[1:12:19] We're, we're just looking for maybe a little bit of feedback from you and and most of it again has to do with the.
[1:12:24] The pickleball works.
[1:12:26] And the dog park, those are the two amenities, really.
[1:12:29] Yeah, I mean, I, I really.
[1:12:34] I like that idea of having that.
[1:12:36] The dog park.
[1:12:37] With I don't necessarily like it.
[1:12:39] On the West side.
[1:12:41] Right. Accept that.
[1:12:42] It's adjacent to parking and that's the only reason I.
[1:12:45] I thought about maybe I should go over there is is because on the east side it's not adjacent to the parking.
[1:12:52] However, if there was a way, we could.
[1:12:53] You know, shift.
[1:12:55] So that still.
[1:12:57] Easily accessed from the parking, whether it's through fencing and signage, they just know, hey, if they're going to talk about
[1:13:00] that way.
[1:13:03] Because I just don't want to have them having to traipse through the other amenities to get there. But if.
[1:13:09] Adequate fencing can.
[1:13:10] Can make that happen.
[1:13:12] Then I'm less concerned because I.
[1:13:15] Prefer the buffering element of the east side.
[1:13:20] It's just that balance of.
[1:13:22] If we can have it on the east side for the buffering but allow it to have.
[1:13:27] Access that doesn't.
[1:13:30] You know, crossover, other amenities then I think we've.
[1:13:32] Got the best of both worlds.
[1:13:35] And then your with your idea of.
[1:13:37] Moving.
[1:13:38] The dog park.
[1:13:39] You know towards the center to accomplish that with, even if it's.
[1:13:42] The dog park.
[1:13:44] Toward the West from its current option one east side.
[1:13:48] And maybe moving pickleball.
[1:13:50] Just a smidge to the South.
[1:13:53] Maybe that's the answer.
[1:13:54] Although the other big question about the dog park is.
[1:13:59] Adequacy of size.
[1:14:02] The option one.
[1:14:04] Is showing a size of. What's the assumption on size there?
[1:14:09] That that one is there showing it 1/2 acre.
[1:14:12] We had some others if we.
[1:14:14] If we take the multi use purpose fields and we put them like they are in option 2.
[1:14:18] That opens up space where we could increase that size of that dog park a little bit.
[1:14:22] Right, because I just wonder if.
[1:14:25] If half acre then makes it.
[1:14:27] Annoyingly unusable.
[1:14:30] And then we've wasted 1/2 acre instead of.
[1:14:33] Optimizing.
[1:14:35] .9 acres, you know, like the one up in Bountiful seemed to be a pretty good size. I don't know that we need to double the size of
[1:14:38] a bountiful one relative to this.
[1:14:42] Park is also the.
[1:14:43] Taylorsville Park, I understand is twice the size of this whole park.
[1:14:47] That's like a 20 acre park and this is.
[1:14:49] 12:00-ish.
[1:14:52] And so.
[1:14:55] From a.
[1:14:56] Comparative, you know.
[1:14:58] Ratio.
[1:15:00] About.
[1:15:01] Closer to an acre.
[1:15:03] Similar ratio of size to the.
[1:15:05] Full part size. Not that that's necessarily important metric, but.
[1:15:10] We didn't visit a dog park that would be as small as.
[1:15:14] And how that?
[1:15:15] Operated.
[1:15:16] Correct.
[1:15:17] I got 2 extremes.
[1:15:19] Or anyways, both larger, but.
[1:15:22] Yeah.
[1:15:25] Also, if we.
[1:15:27] Because if we mentioned and I actually really liked the idea of having a trail in the dog park.
[1:15:32] Too, so that would need to make the dog park.
[1:15:35] A little bit bigger.
[1:15:37] To accommodate for that, so I don't.
[1:15:38] I mean, I don't.
[1:15:40] Now, if we can't have everything that we want or.
[1:15:42] But just as we're.
[1:15:44] As we're moving blocks around.
[1:15:46] That's something to think about as well, and that's part of it is just right sizing.
[1:15:50] The dog parked to get it the right size.
[1:15:52] If we go too big, then I think we become much more of a regional drawing.
[1:15:56] Yeah, right. And if we go too small, then it's.
[1:15:59] May not be as usable as the. I like the idea of how.
[1:16:03] Maybe you?
[1:16:04] The downside of having it directly adjacent to parking lot.
[1:16:08] Also adds to the regional draw element.
[1:16:11] And when I visited, like that's right near my house when I go over there.
[1:16:15] Probably you know 8085% of the people I see there in the morning are have all walked there.
[1:16:21] Correct.
[1:16:23] Uh, maybe that might be a little high because the.
[1:16:25] The ones who are using the church.
[1:16:27] Property.
[1:16:29] They tend to bring.
[1:16:30] Car.
[1:16:32] But.
[1:16:33] But I think, yeah, a high percentage of the folks are are walking. They're not.
[1:16:36] Not driving.
[1:16:41] For these multi-purpose fields.
[1:16:43] To be used by the recreation teams. Is there a specific size they need for it to be?
[1:16:49] To meet their need Or can we?
[1:16:52] Edge into that space a little bit or do we know?
[1:16:54] I think right now we're showing space that would be big enough for a, if I remember Craig, like a high school size field, but most
[1:16:58] of these rec.
[1:17:01] Leagues probably don't need it that big.
[1:17:04] So this is more of a multi-purpose.
[1:17:07] You know, break it up into smaller sizes.
[1:17:11] Practice type fields things. Yeah, I don't think we I like having lots of multipurpose field.
[1:17:16] And I'd like to be.
[1:17:17] And not have it be.
[1:17:19] Bigger than they need.
[1:17:21] You know, I like the two field option.
[1:17:23] Right, but not necessarily.
[1:17:26] Pro league if that's not what they're needing.
[1:17:29] Because as we saw the trails.
[1:17:31] Was the number one.
[1:17:32] Right, and the bigger the fields are, the skinnier the.
[1:17:36] Trail configuration gets to be.
[1:17:39] But I'd hate to then all of a sudden make them.
[1:17:41] The playfield not really usable anymore for.
[1:17:44] Its primary purpose is being.
[1:17:45] You know.
[1:17:46] Those soccer things. So if we could just double check that element.
[1:17:53] One thing to consider.
[1:17:54] Speaking to the mic.
[1:17:55] One thing to consider with that is as a part of the lease agreement with the school district, we are required to maintain 5 acres.
[1:18:00] So it's almost half the site of open space.
[1:18:06] That in an emergency they could become put temporary units on.
[1:18:10] So part of that.
[1:18:11] The sizing of this fields just we need to make sure that we are meeting that.
[1:18:15] Of course, the dog park is still open space.
[1:18:18] As would be the garden would be open space.
[1:18:21] Yeah, does the parking lot.
[1:18:24] Open space app exactly.
[1:18:26] And then the other element I just noted was frequently a number of the options we had the.
[1:18:31] Pavilion right next to the pickleball course and I was thinking.
[1:18:34] Boy, it'd be nice to maybe give a little buffer there, because if you're trying to have a family reunion in the pavilion, then
[1:18:36] you've got.
[1:18:40] Pickleball knocking on and I just have a little bit of the other thing that we.
[1:18:43] Noted from my predecessor and friend Rob Daly. He traveled down to Palm Springs and he.
[1:18:49] Send us some pictures of pickleball courts that were.
[1:18:52] Bermed for noise mitigation.
[1:18:56] And I was hoping we could.
[1:18:58] In our design.
[1:19:00] Put some burning around the pickleball courts to help with that noise mitigation.
[1:19:04] Some some buffering.
[1:19:05] Yeah.
[1:19:07] We will do what we can to get muffering again.
[1:19:09] By taking the pavilion and moving it all the way over to the east side that also.
[1:19:14] Gives the pavilion a little bit more buffer across the Plaza.
[1:19:18] Stick all that in a blender, see what you can come up with.
[1:19:21] OK.
[1:19:23] And then we'll.
[1:19:24] We'll do that and then we'll present it to to.
[1:19:27] Holly and Gina.
[1:19:29] And I'm assuming you guys will.
[1:19:31] Want to buy these guys?
[1:19:34] We'll be back. We'll be back.
[1:19:36] OK.
[1:19:38] OK. Do you think you got what you need or any other elements I think.
[1:19:41] I think we've got with.
[1:19:43] What we need and I think we've got some options, particularly with the.
[1:19:46] Car access to the dog park. I think there's some things that we can.
[1:19:50] Do in that space.
[1:19:53] That maybe that's where the airlock for the dogs is.
[1:19:56] Is in that space.
[1:19:58] That lets us.
[1:19:59] Make things work.
[1:20:02] Great. OK.
[1:20:03] Thank you. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you.
[1:20:10] OK, Debbie and Chief.
[1:20:13] UPD.
[1:20:21] Thank you so much.
[1:20:25] Let me start over. Thank you, Mayor and Council.
[1:20:28] We're glad to be here tonight.
[1:20:30] And to present this.
[1:20:32] Presentation to you.
[1:20:34] I want to recognize Mayor Scotty John from Brighton, who's joined us.
[1:20:38] So that he can learn more about his precinct.
[1:20:41] We also have.
[1:20:42] Oh, there, she's Debbie.
[1:20:43] Sanchez, our CFO.
[1:20:46] You all know you're excellent, Chief Justin Hoyle.
[1:20:48] And so we'll.
[1:20:50] You break in this presentation up into.
[1:20:52] A few parts I'm going to talk about the.
[1:20:54] The larger shared services part.
[1:20:56] Of the department.
[1:20:58] Justice is going to focus on your precinct.
[1:21:00] And then Debbie will.
[1:21:02] Talk about.
[1:21:03] Any budgetary questions or things you have?
[1:21:06] And I know.
[1:21:07] Gina, uh.
[1:21:09] Justin Promise.
[1:21:10] We will not go over 2 hours.
[1:21:12] I know you're good.
[1:21:16] No, we'll make it quick and efficient.
[1:21:19] Why UPD 101?
[1:21:21] What does EPD 101?
[1:21:23] We learned long ago that it was really important, especially as we get new elected officials coming in. It's really.
[1:21:28] Critical that we communicate and help them understand your Police Department.
[1:21:32] And the services you get.
[1:21:35] And by the way, I really enjoyed.
[1:21:37] UFA 101.
[1:21:38] A really good presentation, but.
[1:21:40] The UPD started in 2010.
[1:21:43] January 1st, not long after UFA started.
[1:21:46] And both departments are structured very similarly.
[1:21:49] In a fashion that we'll talk about, which I think is.
[1:21:51] Very effective.
[1:21:53] And importantly, efficient.
[1:21:56] And we'll get into that.
[1:21:57] So on the slide up there you see.
[1:22:00] BPD is governed similar to UFA.
[1:22:02] Where we have a board of directors.
[1:22:04] Directors and then.
[1:22:06] My role is the chief of police's to act as the CEO to carry out.
[1:22:10] What the board wants and we have our.
[1:22:12] As you can see, there are steamed.
[1:22:14] Mayor Fotheringham was part of that board.
[1:22:16] And we really appreciate his support there.
[1:22:21] These next few slides.
[1:22:23] Are important because.
[1:22:24] And again.
[1:22:25] This is a very similar structure and philosophy to how UFA is.
[1:22:32] Holiday has its.
[1:22:34] There's two pieces. This holiday has its direct precinct.
[1:22:37] Which is what Justin runs and manages.
[1:22:40] And then Holiday also has.
[1:22:42] The other.
[1:22:42] 50% of its Police Department, which is the shared services piece that belongs to holiday every much.
[1:22:48] Every bit as much as the precinct does.
[1:22:51] And so within that shared services, you look at that slide there's.
[1:22:54] Two pieces to that. There's administrative shared services.
[1:22:58] And there's specialty shared services.
[1:23:00] Now if you go to the next one, just this graphic.
[1:23:02] To me is one of the most simple ways to explain it.
[1:23:05] If you break down your shared services.
[1:23:08] You could break it into 3 sections on the bottom there.
[1:23:11] You'll see your technical services.
[1:23:13] On the left you'll see your administrative services.
[1:23:16] And on the right you'll see your special operations.
[1:23:18] Type services.
[1:23:20] And then above you'll see the administrative piece that helps.
[1:23:23] Keep it all tied together.
[1:23:25] One thing I want to point out here is.
[1:23:27] The strength of the you.
[1:23:29] PD model is in its shared services.
[1:23:32] What you see in shared services are the things in policing that keep.
[1:23:36] Police administrators up at night.
[1:23:38] They're the most expensive.
[1:23:39] Most difficult.
[1:23:41] Most demanding.
[1:23:44] Things that you have in policing and a lot of departments across the country.
[1:23:48] What they'll do is.
[1:23:49] For instance, the department will need a SWAT team will need that tactical capability.
[1:23:54] This is a really simple example.
[1:23:56] But.
[1:23:57] Because they stand alone, they may only be able to have.
[1:24:01] Very resource stars.
[1:24:03] Very resource.
[1:24:06] Deprived.
[1:24:07] SWAT team that doesn't get much experience.
[1:24:10] But here at UFA, because you have collaborated with other municipalities and cities.
[1:24:15] And you pull your money together.
[1:24:17] You can get.
[1:24:18] The real deal.
[1:24:19] Because holiday doesn't need.
[1:24:21] That tactical response all the time. You don't always need AK.
[1:24:25] You may not always need.
[1:24:27] A drone unit.
[1:24:28] But when you need it.
[1:24:29] You need it.
[1:24:30] And So what you get then is by partnering with others, you get.
[1:24:34] Those.
[1:24:34] Resources.
[1:24:36] That are very experienced, very highly trained.
[1:24:38] Because they've been out.
[1:24:40] Practicing all over the UPD so when they come to holiday you get the best of what they have to offer.
[1:24:45] So it's really important to understand that.
[1:24:47] And in the past I've had.
[1:24:49] Elected officials asked me. Well, geez, we don't.
[1:24:51] Use canine that often.
[1:24:53] And like I said, when you need it, you need it.
[1:24:55] But on the other part of that graph, the bottom and the left.
[1:24:59] Your holiday officers use those shared services every single day of the year.
[1:25:04] They have to have radios, they have to write reports.
[1:25:06] They have to book evidence.
[1:25:08] They need legal protection, they need training, you have to be able to recruit.
[1:25:12] So 2/3 of the shared services that you participate in.
[1:25:15] Is used by your officers.
[1:25:17] To support their mission in your community every single day, it's really, really important to understand.
[1:25:23] But again, by combining together with others and working together as a team and this kind of really altruistic model.
[1:25:29] We you get the best.
[1:25:31] With the most efficient.
[1:25:33] And you know, I've heard.
[1:25:35] Law enforcement is a cheap.
[1:25:37] Where you really win is when you make it efficient.
[1:25:39] And make it effective.
[1:25:40] So that's a really important part.
[1:25:46] Next slide.
[1:25:48] It might be a little bit hard to see, I don't know if you can see it on your screens, but.
[1:25:52] You have two sides. That's on the left half you have.
[1:25:55] Yellow, which is your shared services.
[1:25:57] Which is part of your Police Department?
[1:25:59] And then on the right.
[1:26:00] You have 5 columns and those are the precincts.
[1:26:04] The ones in blue are the actual cities.
[1:26:07] I call them the tri-cities.
[1:26:08] Mill Creek Holiday, Midvale.
[1:26:10] And then on the right of that you have in green those are the visa entities that belong to the Salvisa.
[1:26:16] Law enforcement.
[1:26:17] District.
[1:26:18] And that's where they get their funding for those.
[1:26:21] Groups if you take a look at holiday and you draw a line straight down.
[1:26:26] With Holiday City, you'll see all the positions that.
[1:26:29] You pay for directly.
[1:26:30] And then in orange.
[1:26:32] Another beauty of the UP models you can tailor.
[1:26:35] Your law enforcement services to what?
[1:26:37] Holidays unique needs are.
[1:26:39] So for instance.
[1:26:40] You need a bailiff.
[1:26:42] And so you're able to say we want that?
[1:26:45] Particular specialized service and you can pay for it.
[1:26:48] And it's like Legos you can build.
[1:26:50] Kind of what works best for Holiday City.
[1:26:52] Or conversely, you may say we don't need that particular.
[1:26:55] Serbs anymore and you could.
[1:26:57] Remove it and then.
[1:27:00] But the beauty is you can tailor it to what you need.
[1:27:03] And then below that you'll see.
[1:27:04] Brighton.
[1:27:06] Intermountain Health will be on the next slide to just and we'll talk to you about, but you're also partnering with them and
[1:27:10] again, it reduces all of your costs.
[1:27:14] Creates these really robust.
[1:27:16] Excellent partnerships.
[1:27:18] But that is.
[1:27:19] The overall organizational chart for the Unified Police Department.
[1:27:23] But again, I want you to keep in mind.
[1:27:26] Holidays in that one single column.
[1:27:29] But when you look at that left side in the yellow.
[1:27:31] Those people all work for you too.
[1:27:33] And so you're getting a lot of service.
[1:27:35] You have a lot of capability.
[1:27:37] And you have a lot of resources.
[1:27:40] At the best price.
[1:27:41] You can get it at.
[1:27:44] All those officers work for holiday and like where you really see this come into place is like the fire that.
[1:27:50] We had last year Mill Creek significant fire.
[1:27:53] And the number of resources that.
[1:27:55] The.
[1:27:57] And the UFA because they share the same model.
[1:27:59] Comparing to bear on something like that.
[1:28:01] That's when you realize.
[1:28:02] How important it is, and not just for a few hours for days of.
[1:28:06] Need to. That's one of the things that I really like about.
[1:28:10] The UPD model, that's where I see.
[1:28:12] Tons of.
[1:28:15] We've been a law enforcement long enough. You know what it looks like when it's real.
[1:28:18] And what it looks like when it's not.
[1:28:20] And what you have is very real, very effective.
[1:28:24] Any questions for me in terms of that?
[1:28:26] Bigger law enforcement picture.
[1:28:28] Is the Intermountain with the Elias hospital is that new?
[1:28:31] Yes.
[1:28:32] OK. Sounds like you're going to get into that in a minute. Yeah, I'll have Justin get into that, but we're.
[1:28:39] UPD.
[1:28:41] What I believe the beginning of a period of growth.
[1:28:43] And that is good because again.
[1:28:45] When we.
[1:28:46] Have.
[1:28:47] Partners, we reduce our costs, we get economies of scale.
[1:28:50] And that's what we're doing this.
[1:28:53] It's really been.
[1:28:54] Amazing to me hospitals.
[1:28:56] Need some law enforcement services. There's a lot of dramatic things that go on there, more than I realized, but.
[1:29:02] Justin could get into that when he goes to the next piece.
[1:29:06] After Justin, Debbie will talk about some of the budgetary things and just keep in mind we gave you a lot of information here.
[1:29:13] Because we wanted you to have all the granular detail, but we won't necessarily get into that.
[1:29:18] The purposes of time, we want you to have it if you have any questions about anything we talked about.
[1:29:24] Tonight. Tomorrow. Whenever.
[1:29:26] Let myself let Steve Hoyle know.
[1:29:28] Debbie, we are.
[1:29:29] All here to serve you so.
[1:29:31] Any questions for me on that?
[1:29:34] Just one thing I'd comment on is.
[1:29:37] The other great thing about.
[1:29:39] Belonging to these regionals.
[1:29:41] Partners, is that it?
[1:29:43] Then allows.
[1:29:44] Our core city.
[1:29:46] To remain fairly lean.
[1:29:49] Because you. You.
[1:29:50] There's an apples and oranges comparison if you look at.
[1:29:53] You know our city's financials versus another city that has their own fire police.
[1:29:58] If you look at their police line item.
[1:30:00] And our police line and them there are two different things because ours.
[1:30:04] Is the whole kitchen sink. It includes all this admin and it and records and evidence.
[1:30:09] Whereas in another city.
[1:30:11] Those might be built into their own core city administrative line items.
[1:30:15] And so you can't really make that.
[1:30:17] Comparison.
[1:30:19] And so.
[1:30:23] The result is that then we do get.
[1:30:25] You know what?
[1:30:26] A full police organization that's robust and large.
[1:30:29] The advantage of the large police organization, but.
[1:30:32] We just pay our share of it.
[1:30:33] And our share of it.
[1:30:35] And I will get into that formula. I presume that 702010 correct?
[1:30:40] It works out advantageously.
[1:30:42] In my view for holiday because of our.
[1:30:46] Call volume and thus are assigned cost.
[1:30:49] Which is the.
[1:30:50] Lion's share of the allocation.
[1:30:52] Relative to our tax base is.
[1:30:55] Extremely favorable.
[1:30:57] Yep, agree.
[1:30:59] OK, Chief.
[1:31:03] Thanks Chief and Council Mayor, it's it's good to be with you here again tonight and talk a little bit more specifically in detail
[1:31:06] about.
[1:31:10] The holiday precinct, which incorporates.
[1:31:12] Not only the city of holiday, the town of Brighton and and as we've kind of touched on a little bit.
[1:31:17] LDS Hospital. I'm really glad that Mayor John is here as well tonight with us because.
[1:31:23] As Chief Mazarin had mentioned.
[1:31:25] Part of the.
[1:31:26] The beauty of this organization is the shared services. Is that coming together and sharing resources? There's a lot of resources
[1:31:30] that I'll touch on here really quickly that are shared between.
[1:31:35] Not only holiday, but with Brighton as well. And it's kind of a back and forth give and take between those. So it's not only
[1:31:41] organizationally but also within the precinct as well that that happens. So here you have and you can see the breakdown of the org
[1:31:48] chart here specifically. So you guys have on a daily basis, you have 15 officers that are assigned specifically to patrol and
[1:31:54] that's what the precinct overseas, that's the big bread and butter of the organization. You guys have 15.
[1:32:01] Broken out into five different shifts, so there's three officers per shift.
[1:32:05] Overseen by a Sergeant, that Sergeant on each of those patrol shift shifts is shared actually with the City of Mill Creek. Again,
[1:32:09] more sharing that comes into this organization.
[1:32:15] You guys pay 33% of those sergeants and and Mill Creek pay 66% of them.
[1:32:20] All of the 15 actual patrol officers are 100% funded by you. They're dedicated to your city.
[1:32:26] And patrol those those areas specifically.
[1:32:28] On that same level in the town of Brighton, there's six officers that are signed up there and patrol that that community as well
[1:32:33] and are overseen by a Sergeant that.
[1:32:37] They cover 75% of that Sergeant, 25% is covered by.
[1:32:41] The city of Holiday and he also that Sergeant also.
[1:32:45] Overseas, our three detectives Easton story that you mentioned, Jason a potion and the mental health detective.
[1:32:50] Del Villa Verde.
[1:32:53] And so.
[1:32:54] With that patrol piece, those, those officers are here dedicated every day. You also have two traffic officers. So when you guys
[1:33:00] are hearing those traffic complaints, those come to me and then I assign those officers to go out and then address those issues
[1:33:05] within your community. You have 3 school resource officers that are 100% funded by the city of Holiday that cover the three
[1:33:11] schools, the three well two junior highs and Olympus Highs. So Bonneville, Olympus Junior and Olympus High School, we have
[1:33:16] officers in each of those.
[1:33:22] As Chief Mazarin had mentioned.
[1:33:25] There are those special services that you guys have requested specifically that we cover. So we have an officer that is doing code
[1:33:28] enforcement for the city. We have a.
[1:33:32] And officers doing your bailiff services in your justice court.
[1:33:36] And then as I mentioned earlier there, we added a mental health detective with all the cases of people that are struggling with
[1:33:41] mental health, we have that detective who also works with.
[1:33:46] A licensed clinical social worker that's an employee of the Unified Police Department and it's shared between both Mill Creek and
[1:33:50] Holiday.
[1:33:55] Moving on from there, the administration of this precinct is governed by myself.
[1:34:00] Lieutenant Tyler Ackerman, who you all know.
[1:34:02] We have an administrative assistant and a victim advocate and you can see on there, there's the percentages that are broken out.
[1:34:08] You guys pay. For example, I'll use me as the example, 76% of me, 19% of Tyler and 5%, I mean, sorry, 76% is covered by Holiday,
[1:34:14] 19 percent is covered by Brighton.
[1:34:21] 5% is covered by Intermountain Health and as we touch on that Intermountain Health piece of this.
[1:34:27] Chief Mazar and I got into conversations with them about a year ago because there's a great need for services at the hospital.
[1:34:34] LDS Hospital, Historically, most hospitals have hired officers off duty to go in and work in the hospital. You know, at the end of
[1:34:40] their 40 hours they might go work at six or eight hour shift for some extra some extra money.
[1:34:47] And those officers might be tired. They might be.
[1:34:49] Burned out they might be, whatever. There's no consistency to it. LDS Hospital wanted to have some consistency to officers and
[1:34:54] they joined as a full member partner of the Unified Police Department.
[1:34:58] They pay for two officers to be there from 7:00 PM to 7:00 AM every single night.
[1:35:03] And then cover some of the administrative costs of it as well as their full share of shared services. So the yellow section that
[1:35:07] Chief management showed you?
[1:35:11] They pay their percentage, There's there's a percentage of each community pays into that to get.
[1:35:15] Access to the whole thing, and they're paying their share of that as well.
[1:35:19] And they are part of this precinct, so.
[1:35:21] We have officers that start up there tonight as of 7:00 and they're there every night. One of the benefits that is getting to know
[1:35:24] the.
[1:35:27] The hospital staff, they get to know the officers, they're seeing the follow up on cases that they hadn't seen before. And as
[1:35:31] Chief Maser mentioned, there's a lot of things that are going on in hospitals that.
[1:35:36] You wouldn't know or wouldn't believe so.
[1:35:38] It it's been a great partnership to have up there with with LES Hospital moving forward from that point. The other piece of this
[1:35:43] that I just wanted to touch on, especially with with Brighton.
[1:35:48] So they have one full-time detective that's up there, Anna Walker.
[1:35:52] And one of the agreements that has been worked out about almost two years ago when the separation happened from the sheriff and
[1:35:56] Brighton, became part of the holiday precinct.
[1:36:01] Was Anna as their property crime detective as as with your property crime detectives with East of Story and Jason a potion?
[1:36:07] Anna, when there's not cases, she's working in Brighton, will work cases here in holiday and then in in return on big snow days up
[1:36:11] the Canyon.
[1:36:15] Uh, Easton, Jason and Dell will go up and help on the big snow days up the Canyon, help out up there as well when they need that
[1:36:19] help up the.
[1:36:23] Up there on the big winners, maybe not so much this winter wasn't a great example to use, but other winners, there have been some,
[1:36:27] some doozies up there as you all know. And so again, that's some of that sharing of resources that are coming in between the
[1:36:31] communities here.
[1:36:36] Within the Unified Police Department, in addition to the shared services.
[1:36:40] So any questions specifically about your your precinct?
[1:36:44] OK. I will turn the time over to Debbie to talk a little bit about that. But well, before we do that, let me just touch on these
[1:36:48] couple of slides real quick.
[1:36:51] These next couple of slides, I won't get into them specifically, but you can actually see.
[1:36:56] How many officers are assigned and civilians to each specific community? As you'll see here, specifically for holiday, there's a
[1:37:00] total of 30.67.
[1:37:05] Fte's that are here.
[1:37:06] That includes 28.82 sworn officers, 1.85 civilians and then the 20 crossing guards. And then you can see the breakdown of
[1:37:12] Intermountain Health has 2.35 and on the next slide.
[1:37:18] You get into the Slovisa communities where Brighton has 8.48.
[1:37:23] You know, 8.1 of those being sworn in, the .38 being civilian, and then those are the rest of the communities that we serve as an
[1:37:28] organization. You can see the actual staffing there on those. So with that, I'll turn the time over to Debbie.
[1:37:41] Thank you Mayor Council, I will try and talk.
[1:37:43] As fast as Mazda and and.
[1:37:46] Justin did so.
[1:37:48] On the following.
[1:37:50] If you want to go ahead and go to the next slide.
[1:37:52] What? Uh.
[1:37:53] What I will These were prepared mostly for those who are new to the organization especially.
[1:38:00] After the split from the Sheriff's Office. So I wanted to kind of point out what happened.
[1:38:06] When we had to split and what the impact was to holiday.
[1:38:09] With that so prior to the to the split.
[1:38:14] On the left hand side, we'll show you what happened.
[1:38:17] How it looked.
[1:38:20] What the change was prior and?
[1:38:23] What the change was after On the left hand side we've got the position changes and then on the right hand side we've.
[1:38:28] Was we'll show what the budget impact was so.
[1:38:31] On the left hand side prior to the change Holiday had.
[1:38:36] 32.17.
[1:38:38] Full time equivalent positions and you can see the breakdown there between the.
[1:38:42] The the chief, the sergeants, the officers, and then the civilians.
[1:38:48] After the change.
[1:38:51] Holiday had to reduce that to 30.62, so it was a loss of 1.1.
[1:38:56] 1.55.
[1:38:58] Full time equivalents and the reason was that we had to restructure the organization.
[1:39:03] In order to.
[1:39:04] Make it.
[1:39:05] Viable for.
[1:39:06] All of our members.
[1:39:08] We experienced a loss of economies when we lost the Sheriff's Office. The county used to contribute 20%.
[1:39:15] Into the total and that was a huge loss. And I'll I'll discuss what what those numbers were.
[1:39:22] But that was the impact as far as having your full-time equivalent employees.
[1:39:28] So.
[1:39:29] Debbie, just one quick question there, so.
[1:39:33] I'm not sure if it was.
[1:39:35] Strictly a loss of service, for example.
[1:39:39] We allocated a portion of, say, Chief Hoyle to Brighton, so we didn't really lose him it.
[1:39:46] It but it is reflected as a loss in that FTE count.
[1:39:51] Is that correct? And I'm glad you pointed that out because we worked very hard.
[1:39:55] To make sure to make sure that there were no loss, but there was number loss of service that we still continued serving all of the
[1:39:59] employees.
[1:40:04] And all of the communities at the same level that UPD did before the.
[1:40:10] The separation or what we call the divorce. And as Justin pointed out, that's why, you know, we combined all of the members, we
[1:40:17] broke out percentages on where they would cover and we made sure that all the services continued.
[1:40:25] As they were.
[1:40:25] Prior to that.
[1:40:27] This just shows.
[1:40:29] The the loss of positions that we experienced, but we've structured the organization so it continued functioning.
[1:40:36] Functioning the way it did before.
[1:40:39] And then on the budget impact side of it, so.
[1:40:42] Holiday.
[1:40:43] When that separation happened, they experienced an increase of 9.29% in what their membership fee was. So that was a 665,766. What
[1:40:51] we lost from the county was $4.7 million.
[1:40:58] Holidays portion.
[1:41:00] Was 11.64 and I'll go over that's the shared service portion that we.
[1:41:06] That you guys.
[1:41:07] That we calculate what you're.
[1:41:09] Portions going to be.
[1:41:10] And that was.
[1:41:12] 551,000.
[1:41:15] Of that 4.7 million.
[1:41:18] So you're in.
[1:41:19] Increase your actual increase.
[1:41:22] Had the county.
[1:41:23] Not left.
[1:41:24] Would have been 114,000 versus the.
[1:41:27] 665.
[1:41:29] A holidays budget was 7.8 million.
[1:41:32] The portion that would have been attributed to the county was that 551,000, the 20%. Your actual cost would have been 7.2 million
[1:41:37] had we not lost the county.
[1:41:42] The prior year cost was 7.164 for holiday so you would have only experienced a 1.5%.
[1:41:50] 59 percent increase.
[1:41:52] Had we not lost the county? And why do I bring this up?
[1:41:55] Because I want to show that.
[1:41:58] Even with.
[1:41:59] With the county leaving.
[1:42:02] We we structured the organization so you would try try not to have such a huge.
[1:42:08] Impact.
[1:42:10] To your community.
[1:42:11] And I'll show that if you go to the next page.
[1:42:15] We cut. I'm sorry, can you go back to the prior?
[1:42:19] If you look at the bottom on the right hand side there.
[1:42:22] We cut $1.4 million.
[1:42:25] Out of the budget.
[1:42:27] We lost 4.7, we caught, we cut 1.4.
[1:42:32] And that included?
[1:42:34] The uh.
[1:42:35] The reduction in the full time.
[1:42:38] Equivalence, but what?
[1:42:39] Also included a lot of operational costs that we had to do.
[1:42:42] Which would make sense because we had to downsize.
[1:42:45] Now if you go to the next.
[1:42:47] So this was just the detail we had some requests from.
[1:42:50] Some of the members to give us.
[1:42:52] To show them a detail of where those cuts came from. So we showed them that.
[1:42:56] If you can, go to the next page.
[1:42:59] But because we lost.
[1:43:01] The 20% from the county we also had to pick up.
[1:43:04] The increase in the personnel.
[1:43:06] And so that was a 2.8.
[1:43:08] $1,000,000 increase. So we increased the personnel, but we cut.
[1:43:13] 1.4 out of operations.
[1:43:15] OK, so the.
[1:43:17] The net.
[1:43:18] Increase was really one point.
[1:43:20] Approximately $101.4 million.
[1:43:23] And we lost 4.7.
[1:43:26] So that's why I wanted to point that out. How?
[1:43:28] How? How?
[1:43:31] We work so hard.
[1:43:32] To make the cuts needed and restructure this organization.
[1:43:36] To that would be manageable for all our members and still provide all the services.
[1:43:40] That you.
[1:43:42] Go to the next page and we'll talk about the shared service formula that Mayor Fotheringham was referring to. So the way we
[1:43:47] calculate what your portion is, is we use this shared service formula.
[1:43:53] And it's based on the number of cases the your population and the property valuations. 70% of it comes from the cases, 20% of it
[1:44:00] is on your population and 10% of it is the property valuation. So if you look at holiday, your cases for that year were 3744 and
[1:44:07] that made-up 8.91% of the total.
[1:44:14] OK. And then we multiply that by 70% and that gives you 6.24.
[1:44:19] For your.
[1:44:21] Case portion.
[1:44:23] Then you go to the population, which was 30.
[1:44:25] 1816 which made-up 15 point.
[1:44:29] 505% of the total.
[1:44:31] Which is that 204,000 there?
[1:44:34] And then multiply that by 20% and that's three-point 1%.
[1:44:39] For your population.
[1:44:40] And then your tax value was the 5.4.
[1:44:43] A million there you've got.
[1:44:47] That made-up 23.89% of the 22 million.
[1:44:51] At the bottom, if you'll see there.
[1:44:53] And then multiply that by 10%, which is 2.39. We Add all those together and we come up with that 11.64%.
[1:45:01] So what does that? What does that mean?
[1:45:04] Going on to the next slide.
[1:45:10] So if you look.
[1:45:12] Go to the next slide.
[1:45:15] There we go. If you look at the orange section.
[1:45:17] This is the shared service operations. This is the one that maz.
[1:45:22] Emphasizing.
[1:45:23] The shared service portion, the top part, the blue part is your actual precinct and that's what Justin was referring to. So for
[1:45:28] your precinct, your costs were.
[1:45:34] I got to look down here.
[1:45:36] Your costs were five point.
[1:45:38] 19.
[1:45:39] $1,000,000.
[1:45:41] And then you guys used 100%, a $100,000 of fund balance to lower that to 4.9?
[1:45:48] Now we've got the shared services operations.
[1:45:51] And on the right hand side you'll see that.
[1:45:53] On the total.
[1:45:54] The total shared services was $25 million.
[1:45:59] We take that 11.64% that we calculated for holiday.
[1:46:03] And that.
[1:46:04] And we multiply it against that 25,000,000 and that shows what your breakout costs are.
[1:46:11] For operations, wages, benefits.
[1:46:13] And overtime and then.
[1:46:15] We add the two together and that gives you your increase. That gives you your total, which is in the purple line.
[1:46:22] Which was 7.8 million for the.
[1:46:24] For the year.
[1:46:25] And then?
[1:46:26] We compare that to what you had to pay the prior year. That gives you your total increase.
[1:46:31] And then what your total for?
[1:46:34] Your total increase which was 665,000 and your increase was 9.29.
[1:46:40] So that's what happened for a holiday for Brighton.
[1:46:43] Since you are here, Mayor.
[1:46:45] Your impact on that year going to the next page.
[1:46:54] So if you'll see Brighton almost to the far right there.
[1:46:57] Their calculation was 1.99%.
[1:47:00] On the shared service formula.
[1:47:03] And then?
[1:47:04] So their precinct cost was 1.3 million.
[1:47:09] The shared service cost.
[1:47:12] Was four point.
[1:47:13] 89400 and 89,000. So the total for the year was $1.8 million. Their increase that year was 14.39.
[1:47:23] OK. Is that showing? Yeah.
[1:47:25] All right, so.
[1:47:27] Going on because I want to make this really short.
[1:47:31] We didn't know what the.
[1:47:33] You know, we've created the organization hoping that it would work. We knew that we would be in our first year and we would
[1:47:36] reevaluate it.
[1:47:39] For the next year to see what we needed to do, and that's what we did. So we did.
[1:47:44] Realized that we needed to add some positions and that's what you'll see here that the additions that we had to make.
[1:47:51] To kind of right size the organization.
[1:47:53] And I won't go through each one of those. You can look at those later if you want.
[1:47:57] Want to go move on?
[1:47:58] So what we did?
[1:48:00] As we had when we restructured, we had a total of 341.
[1:48:04] To right size the organization we had to increase it by.
[1:48:08] 7.25 employees.
[1:48:11] And then you can see.
[1:48:12] Seven of those were sworn and.
[1:48:14] We converted a civilian to a sworn.
[1:48:17] And then we needed to hire additional 1.25 part timers.
[1:48:22] You want to move on.
[1:48:24] OK. And then this is the shared service formula?
[1:48:26] For the year that we are in now, you can see what holidays was there it is now.
[1:48:33] This all says 23 and 20.
[1:48:35] 4 I'm sorry.
[1:48:40] So this doesn't presume.
[1:48:41] Current. Unless it's just misleading the data, no.
[1:48:45] The reason is because the most recent data we have to rely on what's out there.
[1:48:50] Oh, so just very great for OK for getting the percentages. Gotcha. Yeah.
[1:48:54] Yeah. So this is the current year we're in now 2526. This is your shared service formula that we get the data from the.
[1:49:04] Population census and then we also get the data from.
[1:49:08] Our department that tracks what all the cases are.
[1:49:11] But we we get it for the prior year.
[1:49:14] OK. So for this year.
[1:49:17] Holidays portion was 11.65.
[1:49:20] And then Brightens was.
[1:49:24] 1.64.
[1:49:26] OK. And then going forward you'll see again?
[1:49:31] If you want to go to the next slide, it doesn't shift a ton from year to year.
[1:49:35] I'm sorry it doesn't shift a ton from year to year. So no. And on the cases, I'm glad you because that triggered a thought.
[1:49:42] On the cases.
[1:49:43] It cases do change a lot.
[1:49:46] From year to year and so we do a three-year average.
[1:49:50] So that kind of lessens the impact to each individual member.
[1:49:54] So good. I'm glad you're on this page. What?
[1:49:56] No go back.
[1:49:57] Where you were.
[1:49:58] So if you'll notice when we went.
[1:50:00] From fiscal year 25 to fiscal year 26, you can see that the increase.
[1:50:06] For holiday overall was 5.25 versus the 9.29 when we had the split.
[1:50:13] I just wanted to.
[1:50:13] Point that. Point that out because we are constantly trying.
[1:50:18] To look at.
[1:50:21] At our operations.
[1:50:23] Trying to reduce.
[1:50:25] Trying to.
[1:50:26] Create more efficiencies and I think you can see that as.
[1:50:30] As we try and lower what your increases are.
[1:50:32] Every year. And so that's what this chart shows is what your increase was from.
[1:50:37] The last year to.
[1:50:39] What it is this year?
[1:50:41] OK. And then if you'll just.
[1:50:44] Keep moving. So those, again, those are the budget figures.
[1:50:48] And just keep going forward because that's covering what where we are this year.
[1:50:54] And then going to.
[1:50:55] The next slides that.
[1:50:57] We will be going well, I won't be going through.
[1:51:00] I just keep going.
[1:51:01] Forward because.
[1:51:02] There's a lot of slides here and there's a lot of information.
[1:51:05] So now going forward, right there, there you go.
[1:51:09] We're in. We're.
[1:51:11] In the process of budgeting for next year.
[1:51:15] And so.
[1:51:16] We.
[1:51:18] As an organization.
[1:51:19] It was Midvale.
[1:51:20] Created the.
[1:51:22] PBIM, what they call the PBIM budget.
[1:51:25] Which is the preliminary budget increase maximum?
[1:51:29] So the reason that this was.
[1:51:31] Created was that.
[1:51:33] They were. We were trying to.
[1:51:35] Keep surprises.
[1:51:37] From happening.
[1:51:38] To you guys.
[1:51:40] And so.
[1:51:41] That we have to start our budget process actually in.
[1:51:46] December, January, because we have to get a budget to the board.
[1:51:50] In March.
[1:51:51] And that budget, we say to them, this is.
[1:51:54] This is our ask.
[1:51:55] This is what we feel we need.
[1:51:58] It does have things in there that.
[1:52:00] Can be cut.
[1:52:02] But we'll leave that, you know, we'll we'll.
[1:52:04] Once you tell us, once the board tells us.
[1:52:08] Well, this is the maximum.
[1:52:09] That we.
[1:52:10] Feel comfortable with you guys.
[1:52:13] Increasing the budget by.
[1:52:14] What we think we can handle as far as an increase.
[1:52:17] Then we go back and you adopt. It's adopted as.
[1:52:21] The PBIM.
[1:52:23] Budget.
[1:52:24] So we took this.
[1:52:26] To the board.
[1:52:27] At that time our ask was 5.21%.
[1:52:31] The board came back and said.
[1:52:33] We don't want you to go any higher than 3.5%.
[1:52:37] With the idea that you try and.
[1:52:39] Go down to 3%.
[1:52:41] And so we are now.
[1:52:43] In that process.
[1:52:44] Of trying to cut this 5.21% increase.
[1:52:48] To 3%.
[1:52:50] And if you want to.
[1:52:52] Move forward.
[1:52:53] To the next slide.
[1:52:58] So this is.
[1:52:58] These are these are some of the changes that we're making.
[1:53:01] And the following.
[1:53:03] Slides will show you the changes that we've made.
[1:53:07] If you want to go to the next, it shows what we've actually done with the wages and the benefits.
[1:53:13] What's included in there?
[1:53:15] Reductions that we have made from the prior.
[1:53:19] From our.
[1:53:21] Requests in the budget.
[1:53:23] Just keep on going.
[1:53:25] Capital expenditures. This is a detail of the capital expenditures that we are asking for now.
[1:53:31] Every.
[1:53:32] Precinct and the shared services has a general fund or has a fund balance.
[1:53:37] We are asking the board.
[1:53:40] We are telling the board that.
[1:53:41] We feel comfortable being able to cup.
[1:53:44] Cover these capital expenditures.
[1:53:46] Out of the general fund's fund balance and then that way it won't be an impact.
[1:53:50] To you, the board has said.
[1:53:53] They would like the fund balance to be used for these one time expenses.
[1:53:57] It's helpful for you because it reduces what you have to pay.
[1:54:01] Into the.
[1:54:03] Into the organization.
[1:54:04] And so we but we list to you what those.
[1:54:07] Capital projects are.
[1:54:09] And and explain why we need them.
[1:54:11] OK, we did get.
[1:54:15] When we had the separation from the Sheriff's Office, we had to move out of the Sheriff's Office building.
[1:54:20] And out of the.
[1:54:23] The grace of your hearts you let us move into.
[1:54:26] Each one of your.
[1:54:28] Buildings we kind of separated.
[1:54:30] With the intent that we would eventually try and find a building where we could.
[1:54:34] I'll be under.
[1:54:37] Unified roof again.
[1:54:40] Right now we do have.
[1:54:41] What we call the logistics building, it's.
[1:54:44] A an old school.
[1:54:46] That granite.
[1:54:47] Has agreed to let us lease.
[1:54:49] As you cop.
[1:54:51] Can can guess. We've got to make a lot of changes to it.
[1:54:55] And so that's where a lot of the capital project.
[1:54:58] Expenses are going to.
[1:55:00] This year.
[1:55:01] Again, this just shows a breakout of what your.
[1:55:05] Was at the time that we adopted the PBIM. These numbers have since changed and we will bring those forward to you.
[1:55:13] When or bring those forward to the board.
[1:55:16] When we.
[1:55:17] Present the tentative budget.
[1:55:20] OK, keep going.
[1:55:22] These are they asked. The board asked. Well, what can be cut from the budget budget and what can't be. So we listed the items that
[1:55:26] can't be.
[1:55:30] Cut from the budget, they adopted an IT associate director.
[1:55:36] They approved that position. We've got grant positions that are funded through grants.
[1:55:40] So we can't eliminate those.
[1:55:44] That actually that part-time civilian employee has been eliminated.
[1:55:49] As you know.
[1:55:50] Are we pay into the Utah retirement system, but they tell us what those rates are.
[1:55:55] So we can't change that.
[1:55:57] Health insurance, it did come in at 15% and we reduced that to 12%.
[1:56:01] And then the back.
[1:56:02] Contract that is the Valley emergency.
[1:56:05] Communication center. It's a dispatch center.
[1:56:08] They they also submit a budget to us.
[1:56:11] We do negotiations with them and then they come back and say this is what the final.
[1:56:15] Contracts going to be.
[1:56:17] So that we have, we have been given that figure and that's a fixed cost.
[1:56:20] And then again at the logistics building we had to put in.
[1:56:24] Sprinkling system.
[1:56:25] Indoor sprinkling system.
[1:56:27] We have a final bill of 250,000 outstanding that we need to pay.
[1:56:32] OK.
[1:56:34] You want to and then what can we change?
[1:56:38] So these are the things we've got a.
[1:56:40] A full time watch command Lieutenant position in there.
[1:56:43] If the board chose to, we would.
[1:56:45] And and or recommend that maybe we want to look at cutting that we have a placeholder for a full time investigations detective.
[1:56:54] This does include a 2.5% cost of living increase.
[1:56:57] It includes the Civilian market study adjustment for the civilians.
[1:57:02] And that comes at a cost of 111,000. And then of course, the capital expenditures, they can be reduced.
[1:57:09] But again, that wouldn't be an.
[1:57:10] Impact to you because it's being paid for out of the fund balance.
[1:57:16] OK. And then moving forward?
[1:57:18] As I stated, we'll be using the fund balance to cover the capital projects.
[1:57:22] We are looking at the fee schedule to see if we need to increase some of the fees. We do believe that we do. We do.
[1:57:29] Feel that we have to increase some of those.
[1:57:31] It was.
[1:57:32] A fee schedule that included the Sheriff's Department.
[1:57:35] Fees, we are eliminating those.
[1:57:38] We are still continuing to address budget items that can be changed and.
[1:57:44] I don't know if.
[1:57:44] I don't want to steal massive Thunder.
[1:57:47] We right now are getting close to.
[1:57:50] That 3%.
[1:57:53] Figure.
[1:57:56] That's all I have.
[1:57:57] And I believe we.
[1:57:58] Did that without.
[1:57:59] Touching the.
[1:58:00] 2.5 cola for the civilian, so 2.5% is still in there.
[1:58:05] We did not. We opted not to.
[1:58:07] Stick it to our officers at all, but rather just look at the.
[1:58:10] You know.
[1:58:11] Optional spending issues.
[1:58:12] Yes, and the civilian market study is?
[1:58:15] Adjustment is still in there.
[1:58:19] So that's just a quick overview of.
[1:58:21] So we're dealing with.
[1:58:22] A prior year budget.
[1:58:24] Current year budget.
[1:58:25] And moving forward.
[1:58:26] Thank you for all of that work. That's.
[1:58:28] Lot.
[1:58:30] And it.
[1:58:31] I'm trying to summarize it as.
[1:58:34] OK, regarding the, I might have mentioned this before. I've mentioned it in.
[1:58:39] And UPD board meeting and that is a.
[1:58:41] Regarding this logistics center.
[1:58:44] They we.
[1:58:47] You saw that increase when we had the.
[1:58:49] Course divorce. We've lost a lot of economies of scale there was a cost to.
[1:58:52] Having to replicate.
[1:58:54] You know a lot of services that.
[1:58:55] Were shared with the county.
[1:59:00] But this new logistics center operating out of Kearns High School?
[1:59:06] Kerns Elementary.
[1:59:08] The amount of.
[1:59:10] Personal elbow grease that's going into that center by.
[1:59:13] Our officers as opposed to.
[1:59:15] Contracting it out, I mean, there's have to do some common.
[1:59:18] Professional contract work.
[1:59:19] But so much of it when I was out there touring.
[1:59:22] Tearing up carpets and.
[1:59:24] And.
[1:59:24] Preparing, you know, the evidence racks.
[1:59:27] It was our staff just putting in their own elbow grease.
[1:59:30] And so I thought the.
[1:59:32] The that.
[1:59:34] Necessary.
[1:59:36] Facility is being.
[1:59:37] Constructed uh.
[1:59:39] For UPD but for us.
[1:59:41] But in such a manner that's really.
[1:59:44] Saving us a lot of money in terms of the dedication of the organization for.
[1:59:49] Providing value.
[1:59:50] Even if it means.
[1:59:51] They roll up their sleeves and do it themselves. It was just.
[1:59:53] Super impressed by that.
[1:59:56] We're getting great value.
[2:00:01] OK.
[2:00:02] Anything else for you?
[2:00:06] Thank you, Debbie.
[2:00:06] Thanks, Chief.
[2:00:07] Appreciate it very much.
[2:00:09] OK, there's nothing else with UPD. Let's move on to Christian.
[2:00:26] Mayor John, come anytime.
[2:00:27] Glad to have you.
[2:00:31] OK, Good evening, Mayor and Council. A lot of this information should be pretty familiar to the council. We've had discussions
[2:00:34] relatively recently about a lot of it.
[2:00:39] We do have some new information, so I'll try to keep it brief, but I really want to make space for the Council's discussion.
[2:00:44] And as well as to get feedback on.
[2:00:46] The direction the Council would like us to take.
[2:00:49] Let me go next slide.
[2:00:51] So this should look pretty familiar. We're just comparing our revenue mix 10 years ago compared to what we're estimating for 2027.
[2:00:56] You can see we've maintained a really solid structure where we're split into three major categories are.
[2:01:02] Miscellaneous franchise fees.
[2:01:04] Building permits, that sort of thing. And then we have sales tax and we have property tax and this is a really.
[2:01:09] Healthy mix, which the city of holiday is.
[2:01:12] Maintained in a Really.
[2:01:13] Solid way.
[2:01:15] Go next.
[2:01:17] This is sales tax, which is a conversation that's always ongoing. Fiscal year 26 so far is actually trending up a little bit
[2:01:22] higher than what we had originally anticipated, which is really solid.
[2:01:28] We have received some information that may indicate you know.
[2:01:32] It may not be indicative of a long term trend in terms of sales tax growth, but it is.
[2:01:37] It is still a positive trend, which is something we're grateful for.
[2:01:41] But we are trying to maintain.
[2:01:43] A certain level of.
[2:01:45] Being conservative when we're estimating for the 2027 budget as well, I think currently we're estimating about a 3% increase in
[2:01:48] sales tax, so.
[2:01:53] Trying to keep it conservative but.
[2:01:54] There is some stuff to be optimistic about as well.
[2:01:58] Next, this is an important element.
[2:02:01] Regarding fiscal Year 27 specifically.
[2:02:04] We do have a few major projects specifically at Royal Holiday Hills, which will be completed in fiscal year 27, which will result
[2:02:11] in a pretty large spike in building permit and plan check fees that we're anticipating in 2027.
[2:02:18] And we would urge the council to really view this spike as a one time thing, not something that's likely to be.
[2:02:24] You know, continued into fiscal year 2028 or beyond.
[2:02:27] Just those major projects that.
[2:02:29] Hopefully will be completed in 2027.
[2:02:33] Because that type of revenue also comes with.
[2:02:36] Cost, right, it does. So is the revenue goes down.
[2:02:40] Related costs.
[2:02:41] Also go down.
[2:02:42] That that is something that we're monitoring as well.
[2:02:46] The major thing is our.
[2:02:47] Contracted inspection services and that is a topic that.
[2:02:51] We're going to talk about more as the budget process goes on. There's been some discussion about.
[2:02:56] Do we want to?
[2:02:57] Consider moving away from.
[2:02:59] Doing a fully contracted inspection service in addition to our.
[2:03:03] Our in-house inspector and moving to an additional employee, but that's a conversation.
[2:03:07] We'll definitely be having down the road.
[2:03:11] General information about property tax.
[2:03:14] We are anticipating.
[2:03:16] Eight and a half, $1,000,000 in fiscal year 27, about a $57,000 increase and that is just from new growth that we're expecting to
[2:03:20] see in 2027.
[2:03:25] There are some changes on the legislature level for property tax increases, which I've previously mentioned to the Council and I
[2:03:28] won't.
[2:03:32] Go into too much detail on the major thing is.
[2:03:34] We need to have.
[2:03:36] Some information figured out prior to our first council meeting in May, if that's the direction the council wants to take.
[2:03:43] Can go next.
[2:03:44] This was the analysis that I was asked to put together.
[2:03:47] Looking at a couple different scenarios for property tax increases, 1 was the.
[2:03:52] In the amount of the largest LBA debt service payment and the other was looking at.
[2:03:56] The two most recent years of inflation.
[2:03:59] Just so happened they were almost identical.
[2:04:02] And they were about.
[2:04:04] 5.7% and it would have resulted in about 43 dollars.
[2:04:08] Per year increase to an average homeown.
[2:04:10] In the city of holiday and would generate about $490,000 of revenue for the city.
[2:04:16] You can go next.
[2:04:18] Back on that lease payment, yeah.
[2:04:22] Does that represent?
[2:04:23] A full year.
[2:04:26] Payment. Or does that represent a partial? Or does that represent a?
[2:04:29] A. A payment where we've.
[2:04:32] That we've massaged.
[2:04:34] To be lower to.
[2:04:36] Look at our.
[2:04:36] Full debt schedule.
[2:04:38] Yes, that's the case. So the.
[2:04:40] LBA Bond The 2025 lba bond was structured such that.
[2:04:44] There were lower payments in the earlier years and the larger payments in. So that's a full year.
[2:04:49] From the schedule standpoint, largest dollar amount impact from the highest year. So this is it just so happened once the.
[2:04:56] Other bond drops off.
[2:04:58] The net effect of the total debt service payment is lower, so this is actually.
[2:05:03] The debt service payment.
[2:05:04] From.
[2:05:05] One of the first years.
[2:05:06] Because that was the highest dollar amount impact from year to year, if that makes sense. So once the other bond drops off, the
[2:05:10] total dollar amount is actually.
[2:05:14] Lower umm.
[2:05:16] Does that make total dollar of the total of both bonds?
[2:05:19] Of both bonds, right? But this is.
[2:05:22] Just the 1 bond.
[2:05:23] Yes, the new, just the new bond and this is just the interest on.
[2:05:28] The new bond in the first few years because I was looking at.
[2:05:30] The highest dollar amount impact across.
[2:05:33] Both, while we have both.
[2:05:34] Does that make sense?
[2:05:36] It's so we have right now we have the 2025 bond and we have our other bond that's going to be dropping off.
[2:05:42] And while we have both of those, that's the highest dollar amount, even though the LBA bond is structured such that the amount is
[2:05:46] lower in these years.
[2:05:50] Once that other debt drops off.
[2:05:52] And the LBA bond picks up its larger amount, it's still going to be total value is going to be less than lower.
[2:05:58] Than having both in the first few years so.
[2:06:01] I did it this way just because this was the highest dollar amount.
[2:06:04] Of debt service when we had.
[2:06:06] Both.
[2:06:07] That makes sense. I can I can get more detail on that to you if you're curious.
[2:06:11] I just noted that when I think about it.
[2:06:13] You know what?
[2:06:14] 20 year categorization on a bond that size at the rate of.
[2:06:18] Seems a little low.
[2:06:19] Then I remembered how we.
[2:06:21] We're doing the massaging where we're doing lower in the front end.
[2:06:24] And so I want that's what I want to get clarification on is that's.
[2:06:27] Not a full bond payment.
[2:06:29] Right. With a straight line amortization that's correct. And if we were to look at it like?
[2:06:35] Just ignoring the fact that the other debt was dropping off, it's closer to 1,000,000.
[2:06:40] And that is an analysis I could put together if the Council is interested in seeing that.
[2:06:45] I was just trying to take into account the fact that that other bond would be dropping off with.
[2:06:49] With this figure. So can you remind me when the other bond is dropping off? I believe it's 2032.
[2:06:54] OK, Yeah.
[2:06:56] Yeah.
[2:06:57] Not too long, but.
[2:06:58] That is, it is.
[2:07:01] And we can continue and I.
[2:07:02] I have done another.
[2:07:04] Very similar analysis to this considering.
[2:07:07] 15 to 17% increase, which we can.
[2:07:10] We'll talk about that a little bit later in the presentation.
[2:07:13] I'm going to go next, and that's actually right here.
[2:07:16] So this top graph here I wanted to.
[2:07:19] Just illustrate to the Council.
[2:07:20] The top graph here, the orange line and the green line, those are both. They're indicating the same thing. The orange line is the
[2:07:24] average.
[2:07:28] Year over year increase in our three major contracted services. That's UPD UFA.
[2:07:34] And the county public works contract. So basically I just said over the last 10 years.
[2:07:38] How much has this gone up on?
[2:07:39] Coverage and I projected that out.
[2:07:41] And the green line is just the median if you prefer average or median. I just included both.
[2:07:46] So the top graph is considering, OK, what if we just did a 5.75% increase in fiscal year 27? And the main thing I'm trying to
[2:07:51] communicate with this is that.
[2:07:57] And this, this kind of goes into another conversation, but I'll, I'll get to that in a minute, but.
[2:08:02] If the Council decided to do a 5.75% increase in 27 with the consideration and.
[2:08:07] The thought that in 2028.
[2:08:10] That would.
[2:08:10] Prevent a need for an increase in 2028 without using fund balance, that wouldn't necessarily be the case.
[2:08:18] Those 3 contracted services.
[2:08:20] Increase between 6 and 700,000 per year.
[2:08:25] And if we were to do a 5%?
[2:08:26] Increase that would generate around 490,000 of revenue. So if we assume this year we're roughly budget neutral, revenues and
[2:08:30] expenses are the same.
[2:08:35] And then just those contracted services increased by 700,000.
[2:08:39] A $400,000 increase in 2027 isn't going to be enough.
[2:08:43] To cover.
[2:08:44] The operating expense if we're under the impression we're intending to use fund balance in the following year.
[2:08:49] That could work, but.
[2:08:51] What I'm really trying to communicate is that.
[2:08:54] If we were trying to avoid a property tax increase and avoid using fund balance in 2028, we would need to do a larger increase
[2:08:57] than 5.75%.
[2:09:03] With that being said.
[2:09:04] I have received new information from UPD.
[2:09:07] Specifically regarding the PBIM.
[2:09:10] And we received.
[2:09:11] Tentative new numbers subject to change, but based off of those new numbers I have received.
[2:09:16] My current budget is showing.
[2:09:18] Revenues and excessive expenses in 2027 of about 22,000.
[2:09:23] So.
[2:09:23] In 2027, we're not anticipating the expenses will be.
[2:09:27] Greater than revenue at this point.
[2:09:30] That is subject to change, assuming.
[2:09:32] Things remain as they.
[2:09:33] Are today, which you know by the end of the sentence they they could be different.
[2:09:38] So just as we currently stand, that's where we're at.
[2:09:42] Christian, I want to just make sure that I'm understanding what you're saying.
[2:09:45] So what you're saying is?
[2:09:49] Because when we had talked before, we were kind of like, we could do it. This year we could do.
[2:09:53] Next year and it would roughly be the same, but it sounds like.
[2:09:56] What you're saying is is.
[2:09:58] If we don't do it this year, we do it next year, it's going to need to be a little bit more.
[2:10:02] Next year, am I understanding?
[2:10:04] Right, so.
[2:10:06] And and that's really what I'm trying to get at with this analysis. So I'll go over the next two graphs and then if I still
[2:10:09] haven't answered that question, we can.
[2:10:12] Come back to it, OK?
[2:10:14] So the middle graph here is assuming OK, the Council wants to adopt a policy of doing.
[2:10:19] You know, roughly a three to five.
[2:10:21] Percent increase every single year and you can see if we're doing a three to 5% increase every single year.
[2:10:27] That keeps the contracted services increases.
[2:10:30] And.
[2:10:30] The property tax increases relatively consistent and this is this is.
[2:10:35] Taking out a lot of factors, right? This is ignoring that sales tax increases year over year. This is ignoring.
[2:10:40] We have other expenses that increase year over year.
[2:10:43] What I'm really trying to illustrate here is our major costs are increasing at a rate that's greater than inflation and it's also
[2:10:48] increasing at a rate that's greater than just doing a 5% increase every three years.
[2:10:55] Or even every two years.
[2:10:57] Or every two years, right?
[2:10:58] And then the bottom graph here.
[2:11:00] Is looking at a scenario where.
[2:11:03] Previous councils have sort of communicated that.
[2:11:05] We're interested in doing.
[2:11:07] A 15 to 16% increase every three years.
[2:11:10] So the blue line is the property taxes and you can see in 2028 if we did a 17% increase, we would.
[2:11:16] You know be trending above what these major contracted services are and then in 2029 we would be about the same and then in 2020
[2:11:21] thirty, we'd be slightly below.
[2:11:26] So we would have a year we're above.
[2:11:28] A year where we're about the same and then a year where we're below.
[2:11:30] So I don't believe that any of these.
[2:11:33] The middle graph or the bottom graph or?
[2:11:36] Necessarily a wrong direction for the Council to take.
[2:11:39] And every year is unique and every year the council gets to make a decision on.
[2:11:44] Do we want to consider a property tax increase?
[2:11:47] What we're really looking forward.
[2:11:48] Is specifically direction for this year and then also maybe some direction on what?
[2:11:52] The Council would like to see in subsequent years, like what sort of philosophy would we like to have?
[2:11:59] With that being said, the 17% increase to an average homeowner if we were to do it in 2028.
[2:12:04] Would be roughly 130,000 or.
[2:12:06] Excuse me, $130.00 per year. Hello. Yeah, 100. That would be pretty. Hey.
[2:12:12] We could put a pool on the roof.
[2:12:16] And then in 2031, a 17% increase would be 100 and.
[2:12:20] $52 so.
[2:12:22] That's also to keep in mind every year you do an increase the percentage the dollar amount of the average homeowner is higher
[2:12:26] because it is compounding on.
[2:12:29] Those increases?
[2:12:32] Did that answer your question, Councilman Gray?
[2:12:36] I think so. I just seem so thinking sure.
[2:12:38] Sure. I don't think math is fast as you do.
[2:12:42] I just think in spreadsheets. I don't know that I think in math.
[2:12:46] We can go, well, I think the next graph we're actually going into the stormwater feed was there.
[2:12:51] Oh, actually this was where we wanted to talk about some of the alternatives with the new information we've received from.
[2:12:58] UPD. Some of these are a little bit more moot than they were when we gave this original presentation, because the expenses have.
[2:13:05] Come down to the point where we do have revenues in excess, we wouldn't have to.
[2:13:08] Pull some of these levers.
[2:13:10] Depending on, you know, where those budgeted numbers end up finalized.
[2:13:15] We could still utilize some of these or we may be end up in a position where we have a small contribution to fund balance in 27.
[2:13:22] At this point, it's hard to say until we get those, you know, finalized numbers.
[2:13:26] But those options still exist if the Council is interested in them.
[2:13:33] Gina, do you have anything you'd like to add?
[2:13:38] I think the the good news from this evening is that.
[2:13:43] A The budget.
[2:13:44] For this upcoming year.
[2:13:47] Can be balanced.
[2:13:48] In absence of a property tax increase.
[2:13:51] If that's the Council's direction.
[2:13:54] But umm.
[2:13:56] And that remains totally your prerogative.
[2:14:01] We would love.
[2:14:02] Some your thoughts on that overall direction that Christian is pointing to?
[2:14:09] As far as?
[2:14:10] How frequently we want.
[2:14:12] To have property.
[2:14:15] So are we revisiting? Because I think the last time we had this discussion, it was the idea that.
[2:14:20] We wanted to look at it every kind of every three years, which was what the Utah State was the Utah State Tax commissioner, Texan.
[2:14:27] They recommend Taxpayers Association, Taxpayers Association they recommended every three years. So are we wanting to revisit?
[2:14:33] That is that the question.
[2:14:35] That is the question, yeah.
[2:14:39] Because I think.
[2:14:40] Three years would it would be a larger number.
[2:14:45] But the larger number being the one presented in the.
[2:14:48] 17%.
[2:14:50] Range ish right? And and that's really.
[2:14:53] A complete estimate at this point, it's really difficult to project what 2028 exactly? You don't know what the inflation rates
[2:14:56] going to be.
[2:14:59] And so it's a.
[2:15:02] Yeah, it is what it is, whatever it is in three years or every 3rd year.
[2:15:07] Yeah.
[2:15:09] Short of, you know, other sort of just.
[2:15:11] Major things that come along that require that.
[2:15:14] Attention sooner for instance, if we.
[2:15:17] At the public works scenario, that's going to require larger capital investment.
[2:15:21] You needed to.
[2:15:22] Change that schedule if you have a major capital.
[2:15:25] Investment requirement because.
[2:15:27] Our larger environment has changed.
[2:15:29] And that could happen.
[2:15:32] Yeah, I think we probably would get.
[2:15:34] A measure of criticism if we just did.
[2:15:37] 5 1/2 every year.
[2:15:39] Or inflation plus 2% every year, because then that just seems that.
[2:15:45] Unsustainable or that?
[2:15:47] We're not doing the.
[2:15:50] Disciplined lifting that.
[2:15:52] You know our citizens and like a tax, not that we have to count out of the taxpayer association that.
[2:15:57] Be all, end all, but they.
[2:15:59] They have a point in terms of.
[2:16:01] Are you doing the heavy lifting of seeing where you can?
[2:16:05] Skinny up where there's opportunities to skinny up.
[2:16:07] Or you're just pushing the paper to be inflation plus.
[2:16:11] To another some cities who?
[2:16:13] Who who can somehow configured their budgets to?
[2:16:17] Have their sales tax cover.
[2:16:20] X and their property tax cover Y and so for instance, one of the might even be Mill Creek where.
[2:16:26] Essentially, their property taxes cover police.
[2:16:31] And so whenever the.
[2:16:32] The police budget increases.
[2:16:35] Is their property tax increase and it's sort of automatic?
[2:16:38] And everything else is covered by sales tax.
[2:16:41] So, umm.
[2:16:42] I think that's how they provide themselves cover, you know?
[2:16:47] But uh.
[2:16:48] Yeah. I don't see you as doing something like that. I don't see the need for that.
[2:16:52] But so I guess it comes down to the the.
[2:16:55] The philosophy Do we want to stick with the?
[2:16:58] About every 3rd year.
[2:17:01] Sometimes that aligns well with election years, sometimes it doesn't.
[2:17:05] And whether or not we want that.
[2:17:07] Whether that should matter or not as a?
[2:17:09] Another decision.
[2:17:14] I do find it a little.
[2:17:15] Difficult to justify.
[2:17:17] When we have this.
[2:17:19] Conversation that.
[2:17:21] We don't need a property tax this year.
[2:17:24] Then go ahead and do it.
[2:17:28] Even if we decided to do every year, it doesn't seem like.
[2:17:30] This is this would be a skipper.
[2:17:33] Now we haven't also gotten to the storm water because that's a.
[2:17:35] Different separate conversation.
[2:17:37] Yeah, but it's nice to be in this position where?
[2:17:43] We actually have a.
[2:17:44] Choice where we could make either choice and and make it work.
[2:17:48] So it comes down to Gladys is the philosophical question instead of a.
[2:17:52] We better do something or we're gonna be.
[2:17:54] Up the Creek without a paddle.
[2:17:56] That's a good position to be in.
[2:17:59] The one thing that.
[2:18:01] I just.
[2:18:02] I don't, I don't know how public it is the.
[2:18:05] The public works issue.
[2:18:08] Yeah, so.
[2:18:09] So coming down the pipeline at some point will be a decision.
[2:18:13] About whether or not.
[2:18:15] Yeah, we have to do our own public works because if Mill Creek.
[2:18:20] If Mill Creek decides to leave the county for public works.
[2:18:24] That is a huge chunk of their business which could.
[2:18:29] Create the equivalent of a.
[2:18:31] Business going concerned.
[2:18:33] Essentially problem for the county and public works.
[2:18:36] Which would mean.
[2:18:37] You know we'd be out of luck.
[2:18:39] Or our.
[2:18:40] Cost per.
[2:18:41] Mile of pavement would go up extremely because they've lost all their economy and scale.
[2:18:46] Which then means we have to look at.
[2:18:48] Whether we.
[2:18:49] How we would partner with Mill Creek or other local communities to provide our own.
[2:18:54] Public works, which would require significant capital investment.
[2:18:58] So the question for this year might be.
[2:19:01] We, well, we don't know what the answer to that question is yet. We're going to have a feasibility study at some point, but.
[2:19:06] It does raise the question, do we want to get a head start on?
[2:19:10] The decent likelihood that we're going to have to do our own public works.
[2:19:15] Relatively soon.
[2:19:17] Or are we too far away?
[2:19:19] From even putting that.
[2:19:21] Into the equation.
[2:19:23] I mean, I'm.
[2:19:24] Don't feel strongly about.
[2:19:26] About this yeah, similar to how I felt when we were in meeting before but.
[2:19:32] I'm very uncomfortable.
[2:19:36] Raising taxes early to avoid raising taxes in an election year that.
[2:19:40] I I mean, I think it's hard to raise taxes in election year, but I'm really uncomfortable raising, asking people for money that we
[2:19:44] don't need for that purpose.
[2:19:49] So I so kind of where I am now and like I said.
[2:19:52] Still very much open to a discussion, but.
[2:19:55] If we can balance the budget this year.
[2:19:58] I'm uncomfortable every time we have people come in when they're on fixed incomes. I'm really uncomfortable.
[2:20:04] Saying, well, we need it when we don't really need it.
[2:20:07] This year.
[2:20:09] At least that's kind of where I am for this year as far as long term.
[2:20:14] I think it was organized. So to me like the 2% every year just.
[2:20:17] Works for my brain but I but I think.
[2:20:20] Evaluating that.
[2:20:22] It needs to be kind of.
[2:20:25] You know, a yearly thing, really, which is what our job is.
[2:20:28] So I had in my head that every theories which I also really liked too.
[2:20:34] But then it might be need to be larger.
[2:20:38] Which is harder too, so.
[2:20:40] Go either way.
[2:20:41] I don't, I don't feel.
[2:20:43] Tied to one of those, really.
[2:20:44] I guess is what I'm saying. So it would be in our third year next year.
[2:20:48] But starting with.
[2:20:49] Only the year before being pretty even, I think, in a.
[2:20:53] A decent position where we could.
[2:20:55] Go ahead and do our property tax increase next year, but it wouldn't be exorbitant. It would still be.
[2:21:00] Reasonable. Pretty reasonable.
[2:21:02] And given that we're.
[2:21:03] Not under.
[2:21:04] We're not drawing fund balance now.
[2:21:07] And who knows what's going to happen to public works that could blow the whole?
[2:21:11] Well, but then we would at least have.
[2:21:13] That would all be part of the same discussion and we would have more information to make that decision.
[2:21:17] And it doesn't seem like we have enough information to.
[2:21:20] To ask for people's money at this point.
[2:21:22] I would agree if we're balancing the budget.
[2:21:26] This year without dipping into the fund balance.
[2:21:29] I don't see why we would.
[2:21:30] Need to raise taxes this year?
[2:21:33] But knowing that next year yet there might be two.
[2:21:36] Be an increase.
[2:21:38] I'm still open, more open to that.
[2:21:43] And then remind me how the storm water.
[2:21:47] Yeah. Are we ready to move on to stormwater?
[2:21:50] Are we are we all in the same? Are we good? I think so.
[2:21:53] Yeah, OK.
[2:21:55] OK.
[2:21:57] So the stormwater fund, the current status of the stormwater fund, if you look at this graph, I'll just remind you the red line is
[2:22:03] revenue and where the dotted line starts, that's where our actuals end and that's where projections begin. You can see the red
[2:22:10] line declines pretty significantly. That's because we spent a large portion of our bond proceeds.
[2:22:16] And they were generating a pretty significant amount of interest when we had them and now that that's gone.
[2:22:21] Sort of leveling out and the only real revenue is just the stormwater fee itself. So that's why it goes down.
[2:22:28] The purple section is.
[2:22:30] The debt service.
[2:22:32] Green is operating in, blue is.
[2:22:34] Personnel costs.
[2:22:36] You can see there's a small.
[2:22:38] Well, pretty decent sized spike in 2027 in the debt section that is because we have a arbitrage rebate liability which we are due.
[2:22:46] To pay back to the IRS.
[2:22:48] The green section, there's a small spike in 2028 because we do have.
[2:22:53] It's a Mountain Olympus Junior High project, that is.
[2:22:57] I'm actually going to be.
[2:22:59] Slightly less than what?
[2:23:01] This projection was based on. I got new information from Jared today that it's going to be a little bit less so that.
[2:23:06] That will be a little bit smaller.
[2:23:08] But the problem overall with the stormwater fund will still exist that.
[2:23:13] The.
[2:23:14] Expenses of the stormwater fund are growing and the revenue is not growing at a rate that is.
[2:23:20] Equal or.
[2:23:21] Really competitive with the rate at which those expenses are growing.
[2:23:25] The Stormwater fund currently has about $1,000,000 of net position and roughly $1,000,000 in cash.
[2:23:31] And based off of this projection after.
[2:23:34] In 2027.
[2:23:35] Moving on, we're going to start to.
[2:23:37] Dig into that cash balance and dig into that net position.
[2:23:41] And it will start to go down overtime.
[2:23:45] Fred Philpott came and gave us a sustainability analysis for our stormwater fund and really was looking at our rates and he had
[2:23:50] suggested a couple of different options to the council.
[2:23:55] One was.
[2:23:57] Annual smaller increases very similar to what we've talked about with property tax or a much larger increase upfront in.
[2:24:04] The benefit of the larger increase upfront as you see those benefits more quickly and it starts to build a balance which you can
[2:24:08] then use for capital projects or whatever may come up.
[2:24:13] In my conversations with Gina and with Jared.
[2:24:16] We had considered, you know what if we just did a flat $1.00 per ERU per month increase, which comes out to about a 15.4%
[2:24:20] increase.
[2:24:25] For an average Gru and generates roughly $181,000 in revenue per year.
[2:24:31] In that bottom graph is.
[2:24:32] Yeah.
[2:24:33] What is an ERU?
[2:24:34] Equivalent residential unit.
[2:24:36] So yeah.
[2:24:39] So this graph again, it's taking into account a.
[2:24:42] Slightly more expensive project in 2028.
[2:24:45] Or in 2027.
[2:24:47] What it will actually be, it will be slightly smaller.
[2:24:49] But it is saying in 2028 we would have $125,000 contribution.
[2:24:54] To net position.
[2:24:56] Or revenues in excessive expenditures.
[2:25:00] I do think that.
[2:25:01] Some action needs to be taken in the direction of the stormwater fund, and I think it is.
[2:25:07] The decision of the Council obviously to decide how they would like to do that or if they.
[2:25:11] Prefer not to.
[2:25:13] But this is just some information so you can make an informed decision.
[2:25:18] So they.
[2:25:19] The uh.
[2:25:20] Original, uh.
[2:25:23] Projected.
[2:25:24] That there would be periodic increases.
[2:25:26] And I think the original model presumably devoted.
[2:25:28] Have increased.
[2:25:30] Once or twice.
[2:25:30] Before now.
[2:25:32] And we haven't.
[2:25:33] Primarily because we've.
[2:25:35] Just worked out a little different than the model.
[2:25:39] But in terms of the specific.
[2:25:41] Year by year.
[2:25:42] Need but.
[2:25:44] The model itself is still valid, it's just we've.
[2:25:46] We haven't had to increase.
[2:25:49] As quickly as we thought.
[2:25:50] But that doesn't mean we don't.
[2:25:52] Have to.
[2:25:53] Increase it.
[2:25:55] To to make the model work.
[2:25:57] And so the bottom graph shows assuming a $1.00 from 6:50 to 7:50.
[2:26:03] Correct.
[2:26:03] And so the Salt Lake County average is 8.
[2:26:08] This was as of the date of Fred giving his presentation, which was that about a year ago now, so that that eight could be higher.
[2:26:21] So yeah, I particularly in a year where we have no need to do a property tax increase and we do have a need to.
[2:26:29] To maintain the.
[2:26:33] Liquidity and.
[2:26:35] Solvency of this particular.
[2:26:37] Enterprise Fund.
[2:26:39] I'm certainly very comfortable.
[2:26:42] Doing this sticking with the model.
[2:26:44] But uh.
[2:26:45] Keeping it reasonable and.
[2:26:47] And solvent just on a.
[2:26:50] Fortunately, later timetable than the original model suggested.
[2:26:53] So I think we're in good shape and.
[2:26:56] But yeah, I think of the.
[2:26:59] Increases and we're not suggesting anything more than that.
[2:27:03] For solvency reasons or?
[2:27:05] Or projecting.
[2:27:07] The because we've already we've recently spent.
[2:27:10] A ton with the bond money.
[2:27:12] Correct.
[2:27:12] So this is just.
[2:27:14] Primarily a move to keep the fund as a whole.
[2:27:17] Solvent.
[2:27:19] Adding some contribution.
[2:27:21] And but.
[2:27:23] As has.
[2:27:26] These improvements that we made early on start to age.
[2:27:32] Of course our cash balance and fund will grow because some of those expenses are depreciation which are non cash expenses, but.
[2:27:39] So they'll.
[2:27:40] We'll build some.
[2:27:42] Cash on top of this increase for.
[2:27:44] Future projects correct and from my conversations with Jared he he's not anticipating any major failures in the stormwater system
[2:27:48] I.
[2:27:53] Based off of what I've heard from him is he feels like.
[2:27:56] There aren't any major projects in the near term.
[2:27:59] But we very easily could have these smaller scale projects like Mount Olympus Junior come up on a.
[2:28:05] Periodic basis and.
[2:28:06] If we're in a position where just on operating.
[2:28:09] Were barely neutral, even using some cash or fund balance every year.
[2:28:15] If we have a larger project like that, the fund doesn't have a way to necessarily recoup any of those costs in the cash would just
[2:28:19] be gone at that point.
[2:28:23] We just have to come on general funds and.
[2:28:24] Goodbye.
[2:28:25] Right, right. One of the things that I remember learning from Ty was the importance of taking care of our assets. And I feel like
[2:28:31] storm water is one of those things that people expected their cities, I think, for a long period.
[2:28:38] Those were neglected and.
[2:28:41] I know especially in my neighborhood there was some real problems repeatedly and.
[2:28:46] We've been in.
[2:28:47] Incredibly grateful for this fund and the way that that his.
[2:28:51] Has has helped so I I think that.
[2:28:54] That's one of the reasons that we exist as a city is to provide some of these basic services and we have a responsibility.
[2:29:00] To maintain those assets and.
[2:29:01] And this is the way to do that.
[2:29:07] A lot of nodding heads.
[2:29:09] It seems like there's consensus on the Council, but we should include this in your tentative budget.
[2:29:16] So zip on the property tax and $1.00 on the storm water.
[2:29:21] OK. Were there any other questions for me?
[2:29:25] Thank you, Christian. Thanks. Great work.
[2:29:30] All right, Drew, OK.
[2:29:32] Utah Renewable.
[2:29:34] There's some action going on there, eh?
[2:29:37] And we've got decisions we have to make pretty soon.
[2:29:39] Yes, absolutely. OK, so.
[2:29:43] Most of the.
[2:29:45] Some members of the Council have been.
[2:29:46] Hearing me talk about this for a long time.
[2:29:49] Natalie and David.
[2:29:50] Not so much.
[2:29:52] If at any point.
[2:29:54] You have questions, please just.
[2:29:56] Give me a holler. Stop me.
[2:29:58] And I'll go quickly through the.
[2:30:01] The slides.
[2:30:02] So, umm.
[2:30:05] Does anybody not know where the?
[2:30:06] What the clean energy community clean energy program is.
[2:30:10] It's a little bit confusing because.
[2:30:12] It's been branded as the Utah Renewable.
[2:30:15] Communities or URC?
[2:30:17] But Utah power.
[2:30:21] Describes it as the Community Clean Energy program. So.
[2:30:25] You know it's the.
[2:30:26] It's the same. Excuse me?
[2:30:29] So it was originally.
[2:30:32] Created by the Utah Legislature in 2019.
[2:30:35] It's taken a lot longer than we thought, but we now have a.
[2:30:39] Program the next step that we have to.
[2:30:42] To take which.
[2:30:44] Paul is referring to.
[2:30:46] Is every all of the 19 communities.
[2:30:49] Needs to.
[2:30:51] Officially adopt the program and we do that by.
[2:30:54] Adopting the ordinance.
[2:30:57] So next.
[2:30:58] Slide please.
[2:31:01] So this.
[2:31:02] Graph just shows.
[2:31:03] What our goal is.
[2:31:05] Now.
[2:31:09] Assuming.
[2:31:10] That we have.
[2:31:14] The funds to.
[2:31:16] Build these new resources we're hoping to.
[2:31:20] Completely get rid of.
[2:31:22] The electricity from.
[2:31:23] Traditional sources.
[2:31:25] And these are.
[2:31:26] The green is.
[2:31:30] The the new.
[2:31:32] Excuse me, My brain isn't.
[2:31:34] Isn't functioning anymore OK?
[2:31:36] So you you can see how it's.
[2:31:39] Eventually.
[2:31:40] Gets rid of the electricity from traditional sources, so if you can, go to the next one.
[2:31:46] We've had several.
[2:31:48] Questions about the difference between our program.
[2:31:51] And Subscriber Solar and Blue Sky, which are programs that.
[2:31:56] The Rocky Mountain Power.
[2:31:58] Has had for quite a while.
[2:32:01] Basically.
[2:32:02] A bigger bang for the buck?
[2:32:05] What we are doing by.
[2:32:08] Getting together.
[2:32:09] The commun.
[2:32:10] And.
[2:32:11] The $4.00 a month fee.
[2:32:14] Is we're able to bring new.
[2:32:17] Clean energy resources online.
[2:32:20] And so it's.
[2:32:22] It's a huge difference.
[2:32:25] Next slide, please.
[2:32:31] So you have.
[2:32:32] Seen this before?
[2:32:36] What we need to do?
[2:32:37] By June 2nd is a dot.
[2:32:40] Adopt the ordinances.
[2:32:42] The ordinance? Excuse me.
[2:32:43] So next slide.
[2:32:47] So in December.
[2:32:50] The Public Service Commission.
[2:32:53] Conducted.
[2:32:55] Hearings.
[2:32:57] And the order was.
[2:33:02] Was issued in March, which started the 90 day clock.
[2:33:07] Which is what runs out on June 2nd.
[2:33:10] Next slide.
[2:33:13] So there's a difference between inflammation and.
[2:33:16] Implementation and commencement.
[2:33:18] The implementation is.
[2:33:20] The noticing begins.
[2:33:23] And.
[2:33:24] The last, Hopefully the last.
[2:33:28] Money that the City of Holiday will have to contribute.
[2:33:31] We do have to pay.
[2:33:32] To notify.
[2:33:34] All of our residents.
[2:33:36] And so.
[2:33:38] That will be.
[2:33:39] Start November 2nd.
[2:33:41] Luckily, we have.
[2:33:43] That Public Service Commission says that we can.
[2:33:46] Mail the first notice.
[2:33:48] But the second notice can go out by e-mail for all.
[2:33:51] Customers who received their bills by e-mail.
[2:33:54] So that will.
[2:33:56] Save us some money.
[2:33:58] And the estimate right now is about $19,000. Is that right, Gina?
[2:34:02] Yeah. So it's it's not a.
[2:34:04] And put it in their ballot.
[2:34:07] Yes.
[2:34:10] Thank you. Yes, OK.
[2:34:11] So that the noticing will begin November 2nd.
[2:34:15] And that commencement date is when we.
[2:34:17] Can actually start.
[2:34:20] Collecting money.
[2:34:21] That's when.
[2:34:22] The line item will.
[2:34:25] Will begin to be.
[2:34:26] Seen on your bill and my bill, and that is?
[2:34:30] Flat $4.00 a month.
[2:34:32] Next slide, please.
[2:34:36] So of the $4.00 per month.
[2:34:39] $3.88 will go to the participation fee.
[2:34:43] And $12.00 will go.
[2:34:45] To the low income.
[2:34:47] I'm sorry, what?
[2:34:48] $0.12 Excuse me, yes.
[2:34:50] $0.12.
[2:34:51] We'll go to low income program.
[2:34:53] And the reason we want to do this is to just get as many.
[2:34:57] Customers as we can on.
[2:34:59] The program.
[2:35:00] So in order to qualify for that.
[2:35:03] Residential.
[2:35:06] Low income you have to be on the.
[2:35:10] Heal or the help?
[2:35:11] Program umm.
[2:35:12] If you don't know what those are, that's OK.
[2:35:15] You probably aren't on them.
[2:35:16] Yeah, they're yeah.
[2:35:18] If you're on them, you know what they are.
[2:35:21] So this will give us enough.
[2:35:25] Many to get going.
[2:35:27] Also.
[2:35:28] As Emily pointed out today.
[2:35:31] People with.
[2:35:31] Solar panels who are on Schedule 135 unfortunately cannot participate.
[2:35:38] Next slide.
[2:35:42] So let's.
[2:35:43] Keep going.
[2:35:47] When?
[2:35:51] Wait a minute, what is this?
[2:35:55] OK, businesses, Excuse me. Yeah.
[2:35:57] So residences.
[2:35:59] Residential customers are all $4.00 a month.
[2:36:01] Businesses.
[2:36:03] The amount they will pay.
[2:36:06] Is based on the amount they use.
[2:36:08] And at some point, we can certainly talk to the businesses in holiday.
[2:36:13] Maybe in the fall sometime and let them know exactly how that works.
[2:36:17] Next slide.
[2:36:22] I think they put this in because of this really cool quote.
[2:36:26] No evidence in the records suggests that program rates are likely to meaningfully increase from the initial rates approved in this
[2:36:30] order.
[2:36:34] Instead, under RMP's proposal, they would decrease rather significantly after the first two years.
[2:36:40] So when you think about it.
[2:36:42] Once, for example once a solar farm is built.
[2:36:46] That cost is, except for maintenance, pretty much fixed.
[2:36:50] Unlike a coal plant or a gas plant.
[2:36:53] You don't have to keep feeding it.
[2:36:55] Because the sun does that automatically.
[2:36:57] So what the plan is?
[2:36:59] Is as soon as we have one resource online.
[2:37:02] Plus there are.
[2:37:03] Will be some initial costs.
[2:37:06] For Rocky Mountain Power.
[2:37:08] For example, they have to upgrade their billing system and.
[2:37:12] Add some customer service people to answer questions. People calling in.
[2:37:16] But.
[2:37:18] Once the ball starts rolling, it will continue to roll.
[2:37:22] We'll have one.
[2:37:24] Good resource online.
[2:37:26] As soon as that's.
[2:37:27] Paid for.
[2:37:28] Sure we can.
[2:37:29] Give residential and business customers a little bit of a break.
[2:37:33] But then.
[2:37:34] The money that will be continually.
[2:37:37] Flowing into the program still.
[2:37:40] We can.
[2:37:40] Get a second resource online so.
[2:37:44] Hopefully the momentum will make a huge difference in the amount of clean air.
[2:37:50] Excuse me in.
[2:37:51] In cleaning up our air.
[2:37:53] And in the amount of renewable energy that is added to the grid.
[2:37:58] OK. Next slide.
[2:38:01] Opt out.
[2:38:02] So, umm.
[2:38:05] If someone does not want to participate.
[2:38:07] That's their right.
[2:38:09] So every.
[2:38:10] Customer Rocky Mountain Power customer in every.
[2:38:14] Community that adopts the program.
[2:38:17] Will have a chance to opt out if they want.
[2:38:20] So everyone.
[2:38:21] This is This is a program where everyone is initially in.
[2:38:25] If you want to leave, you can.
[2:38:29] You have a whole six months.
[2:38:31] To do that. So that's two months before.
[2:38:34] They start collecting.
[2:38:35] And then four months after.
[2:38:37] At that point in time.
[2:38:39] If you want to leave.
[2:38:41] Then you have to pay a termination fee, which for residential customers will be.
[2:38:46] $30.
[2:38:48] Any question about that?
[2:38:52] With regard to now, this is.
[2:38:54] Kind of everybody starting at the same time with this timeline.
[2:38:59] In a future time frames.
[2:39:02] As people move into holiday from out of state or whatever.
[2:39:07] What is their?
[2:39:09] What is their opportunity when they turn on service for the first time?
[2:39:12] In a URC community.
[2:39:14] OK, good question.
[2:39:15] So #1 they will.
[2:39:17] Still need to receive those two notices.
[2:39:20] #2 they will still have the four month period.
[2:39:25] The first four months, they're paying their bills.
[2:39:28] They will have an opportunity to opt out if they want without paying that termination fee.
[2:39:34] So they will be on the same playing field.
[2:39:36] So be an ongoing notification.
[2:39:41] So and then the ongoing notification.
[2:39:45] Will be taken over by will be paid for.
[2:39:49] By money that is being collected.
[2:39:53] The city won't have to continue.
[2:39:55] Paying for the notification.
[2:39:56] Emily, what were you going to say?
[2:39:58] So if somebody's.
[2:40:00] Signing up like a new like.
[2:40:02] Was said moving from out of state. Do they have the option to opt out like?
[2:40:06] At the initial.
[2:40:08] Like sign it up stage.
[2:40:11] That would be my guess, although that hasn't.
[2:40:14] Specifically been.
[2:40:15] OK, Ben.
[2:40:17] Decided.
[2:40:19] What has been?
[2:40:22] Discussed at this point is.
[2:40:24] When somebody walks in the door or goes online.
[2:40:27] Whatever to sign up for new electricity?
[2:40:30] You know, signed up.
[2:40:32] You know, they've just moved in.
[2:40:33] Then they would get their first.
[2:40:36] At that same time.
[2:40:37] OK, thanks.
[2:40:39] Yeah, so.
[2:40:40] When you say the Schedule 135 customers aren't eligible, does that.
[2:40:44] I mean, they won't, they won't get notices and it won't appear on their bill, correct? OK.
[2:40:49] As they're already contributing in that.
[2:40:51] Different way I guess.
[2:40:53] I we don't know why. I I'm not sure why.
[2:40:56] Well, I'm one of those customers and I'm.
[2:40:58] I think that they're really missing an opportunity for people who are likely to want to participate. Yeah.
[2:41:04] It doesn't make sense.
[2:41:05] But this decision was made very early on.
[2:41:08] By the Legislature.
[2:41:10] So I I don't know the why?
[2:41:14] OK. All right.
[2:41:18] Again, what we need to do?
[2:41:20] To be.
[2:41:22] One of the.
[2:41:23] You are see communities.
[2:41:24] Is to adopt the ordinance.
[2:41:26] And I know it was.
[2:41:28] There was a lot of reading in tonight's packet, but.
[2:41:32] Jamie I.
[2:41:33] Know that Todd has told me that he's looked at it and he's OK with it. Is that.
[2:41:38] Something that.
[2:41:39] That you can.
[2:41:41] That is correct. Also approved.
[2:41:43] Yeah, yeah, everything looked to be in order.
[2:41:45] OK.
[2:41:47] Does anyone have any?
[2:41:50] Well, just to review the history for.
[2:41:53] Our new folks we were.
[2:41:55] One of the one of the first to sign up.
[2:41:59] And we wanted to be in a leadership position.
[2:42:01] And supporting this effort to.
[2:42:06] Support the development of renewable energy in our community because.
[2:42:09] You know, Salt Lake County's got some of the worst.
[2:42:11] Air and this is you know not.
[2:42:14] A silver bullet, too.
[2:42:15] Clean it up completely but certainly.
[2:42:17] It's a It's a program where.
[2:42:19] The where we can move the needle.
[2:42:22] And we feel like the quality of life.
[2:42:25] Want to have an holiday?
[2:42:27] Is consistent with supporting.
[2:42:29] This particular.
[2:42:30] Initiative.
[2:42:32] And it's one of the.
[2:42:35] Sorry, one of the few things I can applaud the legislature for.
[2:42:39] Yeah, yes, absolutely. And.
[2:42:41] Like to, you know, give.
[2:42:43] Kudos man. Kudos are due because it's.
[2:42:45] That sometimes it seems rare, but.
[2:42:48] Yeah, we've been one of the.
[2:42:49] The leading communities.
[2:42:51] And I think.
[2:42:53] The thing that we were.
[2:42:55] I think how long this whole time?
[2:42:57] The thing we're most worried about?
[2:43:00] Was.
[2:43:01] The fee was the big unknown.
[2:43:05] And our fear was that it was going to be.
[2:43:09] A double digit number.
[2:43:11] And that was going to make us all.
[2:43:14] A little uncomfortable.
[2:43:16] So to have this thing come in at 4 bucks, Oh my gosh.
[2:43:19] Yeah, just a.
[2:43:21] Great collective sigh of relief from I think every community that was.
[2:43:26] One of these initial communities.
[2:43:28] I'm sure.
[2:43:30] My predecessor, Rob Daly is also.
[2:43:33] You know, super pleased with that number.
[2:43:35] And every everyone of the.
[2:43:38] The cities.
[2:43:40] Thinking about.
[2:43:41] You know, has been a leader.
[2:43:43] A leading community in these 18 and 19 communities.
[2:43:46] We're all breathing a sigh of relief that we're able to accomplish this great thing.
[2:43:51] And the numbers 4 bucks.
[2:43:52] We've always had the opt out.
[2:43:55] That's always been a.
[2:43:57] A safety valve for all of our citizens.
[2:43:59] Regardless of what that fee turned out to be.
[2:44:04] But we'll have far fewer dropouts when it's only 4 bucks and it's something I think we can all hold our head high and.
[2:44:11] This is a great deal.
[2:44:12] And it's only 4 bucks a month and.
[2:44:14] A little more cleaner air is going to be worth it.
[2:44:16] And but if you don't agree, you can opt out.
[2:44:18] But I think it's something we can be proud of and not.
[2:44:23] Oh boy, what did we do?
[2:44:24] Yeah, absolutely. And and I you've made some good.
[2:44:28] Points as far as the leadership role, I really appreciate Holly's help.
[2:44:33] I mean, holiday is one of the few.
[2:44:36] Communities. I don't know if we're the only one where both.
[2:44:40] The both Holly and I are on.
[2:44:43] One of these smaller.
[2:44:46] What you're on the.
[2:44:48] The communications committee and I'm on, I've been on the.
[2:44:51] Program design committee so.
[2:44:53] We're almost doing double duty.
[2:44:55] Also.
[2:44:56] By By.
[2:44:59] Going together with these other communities, it's a lot like the UFA and the UPD.
[2:45:04] Model, I mean the economies of scale and being able to come together.
[2:45:08] Holiday We're a small community.
[2:45:11] And we never would have been able to do.
[2:45:14] Something like this on our own?
[2:45:15] I would have moved without our.
[2:45:18] Partners that it's right. So I think we can really.
[2:45:20] Hold our heads up high and and.
[2:45:23] Hopefully umm.
[2:45:25] Support this 100%.
[2:45:27] Let's skip over.
[2:45:30] We can.
[2:45:33] Look, you can look at yourself.
[2:45:35] At the ordinance.
[2:45:37] And.
[2:45:40] I think we've.
[2:45:41] We've said all the good things that we could say.
[2:45:43] Hopefully we will this will come to a vote.
[2:45:47] On the 21st.
[2:45:49] And I think we are going to have a.
[2:45:52] Public hearing.
[2:45:54] Our first What is that?
[2:45:56] The 7th is a. It is.
[2:45:58] So, uh.
[2:45:59] If anybody has.
[2:46:01] You probably already got.
[2:46:03] You part probably.
[2:46:05] Gotten emails?
[2:46:06] And maybe some phone calls from people about this.
[2:46:09] You can tell them that there will be a public hearing if they want to come and express their.
[2:46:14] Their feelings about this program?
[2:46:17] Our first first meeting in May and then we'll have a vote on the 21st.
[2:46:22] Any questions?
[2:46:25] Thanks for all your efforts on this. This has been really important.
[2:46:28] Oh, you're welcome.
[2:46:29] Yeah, well done. It's been a long road and you've been in there from day one.
[2:46:34] And holiday can be.
[2:46:36] Proud of our contribution through you too.
[2:46:39] Agreed.
[2:46:41] Thanks, Drew.
[2:46:44] OK.
[2:46:47] We good communications and newsletter options.
[2:46:51] Who's up on that? I think.
[2:46:54] That is an old or this is the one that we're.
[2:46:57] Postponing.
[2:46:57] We are OK.
[2:46:59] All right, very good.
[2:47:01] Then Oh my gosh.
[2:47:02] Where where it where it get excited time then?
[2:47:07] Merely the calendar. OK, so we're.
[2:47:10] Done for April and our next meetings we have got.
[2:47:13] May 7th, 14th and 21st.
[2:47:16] And then June 4th and 11th.
[2:47:20] And I presume we don't have closed session, correct? No closed.
[2:47:25] Well, gosh, what should we do now?
[2:47:27] Motion to adjourn. I'll second that. All in favor.
[2:47:31] I.
[2:47:32] Thank you. Thanks everybody.