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Well, good afternoon everybody, and welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission work meeting.

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Tuesday, May 29th, 2026 It's 5:32 PM and we have all commissioners in attendance except for Commissioner Font.

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And we have city staff and legal council president and we have two items on our agenda, well, three.

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Correct me if I'm wrong.

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There were no minutes to read.

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Nobody had any minutes to read, so we will.

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Table that one until.

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We get a chance to look at them.

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They're they're out there and we will look at them at some point. Tonight was not the night.

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So.

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That's it. Oh, and Commissioner fonts coming in right now. Hey.

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So full team. All right, here we go. And the first one is the continued.

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Item we had from last time, which was the Lewin accessory building and I believe we left the public comment on that open. Is that

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right?

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And continued, OK.

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Yes, he did. So John, if you want to give us.

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Refresher or carry?

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Yeah.

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So for conditional use permits for accessory buildings you've seen.

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These types of applications before.

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Essentially.

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There's a.

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Table of allowed uses.

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They can build an accessory building.

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Up to a certain size that can be approved by staff.

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They can't exceed.

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That footprint size, if they have a large piece of property or whatever.

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Conditions they may present.

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But.

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There may be conditions that need to be applied by the Planning Commission.

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Based upon type of architecture, buffering, landscaping.

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Those types of things. Lighting.

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That may.

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Cause problems when you're.

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Building footprint large.

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Than what's permitted.

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In this case.

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The building's already built.

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You have some non conforming setbacks on the South side.

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And I like to convert this building into an AD.

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Last year, maybe it was a.

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Year before.

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You approved some external accessory dwelling unit standards that allows for this type of situation to occur if there's non

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conformities.

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They can.

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Elect to have some conditions that buffer that or mitigate that.

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The applicant has provided you a narrative of what they plan to do.

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To make sure that.

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Sound buffering and some landscaping.

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Lighting things.

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They were here.

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Presented reasons.

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Behind the external.

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I'm pretty sure they'll come again.

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Tonight.

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But that's pretty much the extent of the application is.

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Applying conditions so that it mitigates any adverse impact.

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On the especially the neighborhood.

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So that's where the non conforming set back is.

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The use itself is not the condition.

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It's the. It's the size of the building.

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And its proximity to the South property line.

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And there were.

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Buffering requirement.

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Requirements or.

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Internal insulation requirements that were required as they.

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Prepared that structure for dwelling, is that right?

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No windows or doors on that South side.

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Everything will be accessed from the opposite side.

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So other than that, if there's any.

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Other landscaping or other.

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Fencing wall details that you deem appropriate.

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Those are the type of conditions that could be applied.

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And this is one of those cases where?

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It's not so much that the building.

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Is bigger than that. The structure is bigger than it should be.

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It's that the set back is too small.

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In this case.

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And is it also non conforming for the lot size?

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That would be.

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That relationship is to the set back.

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The lot size controls the set back, yes. OK.

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Well, I if I memory serves, don't you have to have like a minimum of half acre in order to have?

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And Adu on the property or am I dreaming that was a guest house?

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Adus are allowed on.

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All properties now. OK, yeah.

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So even an R.

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28 could have an Adu if it was small enough and work with setbacks only limited to single family home.

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Take that back so single family house is on.

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Whatever lot size.

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Internal Adus.

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Are allowed anywhere.

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OK.

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So is there a?

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With the conversion from a garage to a.

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Dwelling in it.

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The structures in the set back.

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Is there a fire code requirement that?

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They have to rebuild that wall so that it meets fire code.

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I appreciate the fire department being here just for this.

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Great question.

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During the review of the building permit, if the condition unit is, is.

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Approved, Uh.

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The building permit review.

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From the fire department and the building.

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Official will definitely have to require.

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Fire separations to occur, so they can't have any openings in there if it's in.

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Within the three foot set back correct?

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I think it's.

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5 Is it five or three?

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Yeah, I think it's, I think it's fine. But yeah that that would be a requirement. OK. So it is in the set back. So that is a

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question.

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OK. All right. Thank you.

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And for that same sort of.

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Down that same line.

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It is going.

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Through getting a building permit so.

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It makes me nervous that they've got a.

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They're parking cars and grandma in the same building.

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Which?

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Was not designed for either.

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So I mean I assume that.

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It it would be have to be built to code I guess is the question.

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That's what.

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They are going for a building permit. That's what started this.

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That's what starting is, converging from a utility use.

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To a residential use.

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So but.

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In order to get there.

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They have to get requests.

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During the Planning Commission to exceed the size of it.

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So you do approve it or you don't approve it tonight? They're still going to have to figure out how to architecturally.

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Get compatibility with the building code to convert it from utility.

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To residential.

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OK, then I'll stop worrying about that. That's none of my damn business is a planting fish, but it's good to know this is this is

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just their first step to get to a building permit.

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OK, what about?

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The driveway access itself, like I'm looking at the schematic up in front of us. Is there enough room for?

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Do they have to have enough room for two cars to be able to get in and out?

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No, not with.

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There isn't a standard width for a driveway.

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There is however a requirement in your.

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Ordinance that requires a.

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Garage so you can't.

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Remove a garage without replacing one.

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So they're.

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This whole I think the whole building was a shop into two car garage.

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So that reducing that down to a single car.

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Which technically still complies.

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But no, there's no width requirement for the driveway.

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Gotcha. I was thinking.

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Extra carbon monoxide detectors in there, right?

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I'm a little bit troubled I.

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If if they were building another building there.

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They'd have to comply with the setbacks.

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But because we're letting him convert it to an Adu.

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The fact that they didn't comply with the setbacks.

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Is ignored.

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What was in order to begin with?

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The the property owner moved into a situation that they have no history of.

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Frankly, when we have that aerials pulled.

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It was about the time when we incorporated this area.

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Into the city.

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So there's a lot of.

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Masonry and other garage type structures within the city that have one foot.

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2 foot setbacks that you were allowed by the county at the time.

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And those were the specific types of scenarios that the Council and the Planning Commission, we were looking at conversions of

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Adus.

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We're considering.

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In order to keep it.

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Affordable.

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Rather than having to tear the entire thing down just to gain 3 feet.

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What can you do to mitigate that?

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Three feet, so there's a table.

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I saw Kerry bring it over once.

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A table of allowed.

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Situations to reduce.

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A non conforming set back by certain percentages.

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And I I think this is a section that.

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The council specifically wanted so I'm not sure if.

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Use the Planning Commission review this section. So that's why your.

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Probably less familiar with it, or feels less familiar because.

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You'd hadn't.

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Seen that the portion where they were doing a conversion?

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So specifically, it's this 0.8 conversion of existing accessory buildings.

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Including nonconforming structures.

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Is allowed with standards.

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So it has to meet the same design standards.

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So they'd have to modify things to make sure it meets those design standards for any detached accessory dwelling unit.

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Here's your footprint size structures that don't conform to the footprint size.

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Have to go to the Planning Commission, same as.

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Any other non standard accessory building?

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Structures that don't conform to setbacks.

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Shall select set back reduction measures.

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In this chart.

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And then they can't add a second.

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Story above. 12 beats.

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So this is the chart.

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So we were looking at this and.

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Specifically.

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As to assessing impacts.

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So that was the logic behind this chart or what are the, what are the impacts?

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From.

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Now switching a building that is already there.

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So the physicality of a of a structure already exists.

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How can?

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How can that?

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Impacts from.

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Now having that be.

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Lived in.

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Accessory dwelling unit.

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How can those impacts be mitigated?

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And it's designed as.

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We know that they have a non compliance set back.

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So how much?

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Reduction. Do they have to have? In this case they have to reduce by.

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Like 0.75 feet or is it a full foot?

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It's no, it's a full foot.

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Of wholefoot, so they're looking for reducing a foot of their setbacks so that they can.

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Be compliant.

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So it's, it already exists. It already has an.

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Client set back.

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So they have to do some extra stuff.

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To get that.

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The impact of that close set back.

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Reduced.

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So they were proposing this upgraded.

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Energy efficient materials and constructions.

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Or construction materials.

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To reduce sound specifically on that wall.

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Which theoretically could allow them to reduce.

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100% of their setback, but that's not what they're going right. So that's looking at we looked at.

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The masonry type of construction that that John was referring to were some of those have 0 setbacks, so.

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If you're.

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Going to the.

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Sometimes substantial cost of doing those energy efficient upgrades and sound reducing upgrades.

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Because converting an existing structure sometimes is more costly than.

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Tearing it down and building new in some cases so.

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It's it was a.

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Something that was assessed to be.

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High impact.

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To reduce.

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Some of the the major concerns with.

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Having an accessory dwelling unit that close.

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And in this case, I think their garage is on.

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One size, so they're retaining the garage on the.

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Close side for the front part of it and then on the back part is where they have living space.

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So is there only one garage?

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A2 car garage for the.

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Both homes.

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There's a garage and I don't know that it has a car in it, but there's a garage in the front building also.

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A single car garage. Or at least there's a single car garage door on the front building.

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Yeah, that dimension on that on the floor plan on your screens.

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I think is only as wide as the first single car garage.

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You know, Carrie made a really great point. This is this chart when when it was adopted.

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Was something that we counted toward.

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Our state requirement for moderate income housing.

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Allowances.

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In order to reduce that.

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That cost of getting an accessory dwelling unit on the property.

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And we have carte blanche to.

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Impose what's necessary to.

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Mitigate.

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Yeah, if you find.

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Conditions that need to be mitigated.

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Then you can.

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Impose the conditions. Nothing less than two inch granite will be acceptable.

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I'm just kidding.

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I know, Brad. Just to be clear, it's not carte blanche.

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Reasonably.

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Read all that, man. Reasonably anticipated.

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Detrimental effects can mitigated.

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Reasonably.

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Give me an inch, I take a mile. What can I say?

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So our biggest issue is sound.

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Your biggest issue is.

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How to mitigate the?

280
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It can be any one of those.

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What they're selecting sound.

282
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And they said down there.

283
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Back while they were going to put in a window, but it was going to be on the like larger.

284
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Part of it is that right? Like not right up against the fence part of it.

285
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Yeah.

286
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OK. Other questions on this one.

287
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I just I wasn't here last time. Why was this continued?

288
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We had a.

289
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Oh, OK.

290
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Yeah, yeah.

291
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All right. And then.

292
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Wasatch Waldorf amended site plan.

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Which this is a school and if.

294
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I read the packet right.

295
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We really don't get to say anything at all to schools.

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You can.

297
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But they can still do it anyway.

298
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Well, yeah, I mean.

299
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So.

300
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As you just as an overview you do.

301
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Are well municipalities are empowered with certain regulatory powers.

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And those regulatory powers can be.

303
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Extended to certain applications.

304
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Except when it's another subdivision of the state.

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Schools and charter schools.

306
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State code has some provisions that are very.

307
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Very specific, in particular as to how you act.

308
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As a land use body.

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Regulatory body when these types of things are.

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Being brought to you.

311
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We went through this.

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Exercise in 2016 when the when the school was placed.

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And I've included the approval letters from that meeting.

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In your packet.

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They have received approval from the state.

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Increase their student body.

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From 5.

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Numbers aren't in my head. 520 here to like 600.

319
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And in doing so, they want to add a gymnasium to the back of the school.

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Construction.

321
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Is reviewed by the State Building authority.

322
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With State Building officials and inspections, so we will not be involved in the.

323
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The construction inspection process.

324
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We can look at.

325
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Things like set back and massing.

326
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Which?

327
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Because of the placement of the of.

328
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The addition to the school does meet the P zone setbacks anyway.

329
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Really what we're looking at.

330
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Are things that we can regulate.

331
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Health and safety, Traffic circulation.

332
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And parking requirements.

333
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They are increasing the student body, which they're going to be adding.

334
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Teachers. Faculty.

335
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So that increases the parking requirement.

336
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One of the TRC requirements for that.

337
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Was to solidify a pre arranged parking agreement with the LDS church.

338
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Located.

339
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North across the street.

340
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They are supposed to come to you tonight with.

341
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That written agreement?

342
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I was told that they were reviewing that agreement.

343
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I'm expecting them to have it.

344
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Tonight if they don't.

345
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I'll get to that in a minute.

346
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The second scenario, so that deals with.

347
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On site.

348
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Requirements.

349
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Yes.

350
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You mean the church?

351
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Not directly across the street, but is.

352
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Like across the street and then an island and then a street, yeah.

353
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OK. Just making sure.

354
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Maybe it was before.

355
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Summer before last, we constructed a pedestrian.

356
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Active pedestrian activated crosswalk.

357
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Specifically for the situation, they had so much parking and they were.

358
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Walking, jaywalking essentially. So we tried to help them with that situation.

359
00:17:26,870 --> 00:17:29,150
And I think the school was very appreciative.

360
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Of that.

361
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So what we were requiring is ensuring that there's still parking.

362
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That is being provided off site.

363
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And not.

364
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In the streets or in the neighborhoods or in the in the.

365
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Park itself the Creekside.

366
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Park Regional Park.

367
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The other situation would be traffic circulation.

368
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Pick up and drop off times.

369
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Were something that we reviewed extensively in 2016.

370
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And modified over.

371
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Several months after they opened.

372
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Because of the if you've been up Murray Holiday Road at the time.

373
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That school starts and then when school ends.

374
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There was a problem with cars backing up all the way to almost to the intersection.

375
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In the travel lanes.

376
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So through UPD.

377
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And their.

378
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Principal who I think will definitely be here tonight.

379
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They modified their pickup and drop off locations to shorten that.

380
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Queuing line.

381
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It's been working great the past few years.

382
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But adding faculty and student body want to make sure that that doesn't get exasperated.

383
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So in order to accommodate the.

384
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Is the.

385
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Pick up and drop off lanes that runs around the backside of the property that also serves an emergency access.

386
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Road. We reviewed this road.

387
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Because of its proximity to the Big Cotwood Creek.

388
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We related that.

389
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The review of that road to the Creek based upon.

390
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Integrity of.

391
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Have become a Creeks bank.

392
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And flood control.

393
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We want we are ensuring that through this site plan that no.

394
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The curbside doesn't get any closer to the Creek than it actually is.

395
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And you'll see in the drawings it just gets lengthened.

396
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It goes in line with the existing driveway back further on the site so.

397
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TRC is satisfied that we're not getting any closer to Big Conway Creek than has already previously approved.

398
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However.

399
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Because it's also emergency access Rd.

400
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The width of that road.

401
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Needs to be wider than what this originally.

402
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Built and in this situation is one of the reasons why.

403
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I've invited our.

404
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Fire Marshall Area Fire Marshall David Bradley to join us to give.

405
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:49,750
An overview of what specific?

406
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Concerns that.

407
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UFA has, especially with the state Fire Marshall office.

408
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So.

409
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Good evening.

410
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With this road.

411
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With the proposed plans that they're asking to put on a gymnasium.

412
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On the backside of the building.

413
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:14,630
The size of the structure is going to be 13,000 square feet.

414
00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:18,930
More than likely, because it's a gymnasium, it's going to be over 40 feet tall.

415
00:20:19,390 --> 00:20:23,470
With our aerial apparatus we need at least a 26 foot wide Rd.

416
00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:26,580
In order to be able to set up our aerial apparatus.

417
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,870
They are proposing only.

418
00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:29,780
20 feet.

419
00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:34,420
Which would put our outriggers for our emergency vehicles.

420
00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:36,140
In the dirt, which would not.

421
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Help us be able to do that.

422
00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:39,430
And also.

423
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With it being that far back.

424
00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:45,100
They are proposing to move a hydrant.

425
00:20:45,420 --> 00:20:46,940
Further away from that new.

426
00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:47,780
Construction.

427
00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:51,740
I've been in contact with the state Fire Marshall's office.

428
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:54,950
Because all schools.

429
00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:56,860
Go through their jurisdiction.

430
00:20:56,940 --> 00:20:59,420
And they want to have final say on what's going on.

431
00:21:00,580 --> 00:21:02,180
I've talked with Reed Thompson.

432
00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,060
He didn't know about.

433
00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:07,140
These plants, they said that Wasatch has communicated with them.

434
00:21:07,540 --> 00:21:08,780
But hasn't presented anything.

435
00:21:09,690 --> 00:21:11,110
To them for review.

436
00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:16,900
So when I got this information, they're saying, well, what do you feel? How do you feel about it?

437
00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:18,620
We just don't want to have.

438
00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:20,860
Them playing mom against dad.

439
00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:23,860
Saying well, the authority having jurisdiction said that this.

440
00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:25,260
State Farm Marshall.

441
00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:26,540
You're saying that?

442
00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,900
We want to make sure that we are on board.

443
00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:31,940
With the State Farm Marshall's office and not crossing any.

444
00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:33,460
Jurisdictional.

445
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:38,750
The other issue that we have is where they want to move some of their.

446
00:21:39,540 --> 00:21:43,470
Outbuildings further up along the side of the building would also reduce.

447
00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:45,220
That emergency access.

448
00:21:45,460 --> 00:21:46,780
On the West side of the building.

449
00:21:47,980 --> 00:21:49,460
That has been presented.

450
00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:51,140
To the TRC.

451
00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:54,700
I've also relayed that to the State Fire Marshall's office.

452
00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:57,750
And before they go any further, they want to make sure.

453
00:21:58,890 --> 00:22:00,870
State Fire Marshall's office has stated that.

454
00:22:01,260 --> 00:22:03,220
They want Wasatch to understand.

455
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:04,540
Before they go any further.

456
00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:07,820
They need to meet with the State Farmers Office to make sure that.

457
00:22:07,940 --> 00:22:09,260
Everything is in line.

458
00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:12,020
Before any kind of construction happens.

459
00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:13,940
With the road or with the building?

460
00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:16,790
Is it safe to say that?

461
00:22:17,340 --> 00:22:22,420
Your office and the State Fire Marshall's office are aligned.

462
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,100
In our in the.

463
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The needs and.

464
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That is 100% requirements OK.

465
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:29,580
Thank you for making that effort.

466
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:32,380
Get all the ducks in a row ways.

467
00:22:32,460 --> 00:22:34,540
There's there's been many times that.

468
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,270
We've seen.

469
00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:41,390
Well, this person has said this, this person has said that and their odds to the code.

470
00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:43,500
And with.

471
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Building with these many people.

472
00:22:45,660 --> 00:22:47,020
We want to make sure that we.

473
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Are protecting the citizens that we serve.

474
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:51,720
Thank you. Thank you. I'm just.

475
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,670
Say it again. You said that.

476
00:22:54,780 --> 00:22:56,140
The for that height.

477
00:22:56,380 --> 00:22:59,700
The minimum Rd. width is 252626.

478
00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:01,340
Thank you. I know that they.

479
00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:03,460
Put their scale on on the bottom of.

480
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Plans and so it's close.

481
00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:06,780
But that's also including the.

482
00:23:08,140 --> 00:23:11,980
So when we start putting out our outriggers, we would crush the curb or be.

483
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Slipping off the curb.

484
00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:14,260
OK. Thank you.

485
00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:16,300
Is there a danger to the?

486
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Creek if you were to put your outriggers out in the dirt.

487
00:23:20,580 --> 00:23:21,540
For example.

488
00:23:22,330 --> 00:23:24,430
No, it just puts our apparatus.

489
00:23:24,540 --> 00:23:25,820
And our personnel at risk.

490
00:23:26,140 --> 00:23:29,460
Which is even worse than than the Creek.

491
00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:30,940
OK.

492
00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:31,900
So.

493
00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:34,420
Yes, Sir, along that line.

494
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:37,830
We wouldn't.

495
00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:40,940
You wouldn't want to see us approve a.

496
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:46,430
A site plan that didn't include a 26 foot clear.

497
00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:48,820
Rodeway around the entire.

498
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Building his act.

499
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Am I understanding correctly that is correct?

500
00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:54,420
But before.

501
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:56,500
And this is something that I think is.

502
00:23:56,580 --> 00:24:01,300
Vital for them to understand is that needs to come from the state Fire Marshall's office.

503
00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:03,660
Not just unified fire authority.

504
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:05,500
So that way.

505
00:24:05,580 --> 00:24:07,980
When they present everything to you.

506
00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:12,620
It's just not well. The city planners agreed to doing this.

507
00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:17,740
But yet they're not meeting the codes and I want to make sure that the state fire marshals.

508
00:24:18,020 --> 00:24:20,780
Have an opportunity to make their comments.

509
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:21,940
And they're reviews.

510
00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:24,710
To the school so that they completely understand.

511
00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:25,950
What is?

512
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:27,620
Their responsibilities.

513
00:24:28,570 --> 00:24:30,430
For protecting the property and.

514
00:24:30,820 --> 00:24:32,700
Makes sense?

515
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:36,540
In terms of moving a fire hydrant, that sounds.

516
00:24:36,940 --> 00:24:41,380
Drastic. I wouldn't think moving a hydrant away from a structure would be a good idea.

517
00:24:41,860 --> 00:24:43,420
It depends on.

518
00:24:43,620 --> 00:24:45,300
Where the hydrant is placed.

519
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,710
Looking at what they're wanting to do is they want to move it.

520
00:24:48,780 --> 00:24:52,820
Further up the side of the building, away from the construction a little bit, that gives.

521
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More access.

522
00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:57,340
When we start laying out our hoes.

523
00:24:57,940 --> 00:25:02,260
But what we're looking at is we don't want to lay out that much house most of our.

524
00:25:02,540 --> 00:25:03,500
High velocity of.

525
00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:05,420
For high volume hoses.

526
00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:08,660
Or five inches in diameter and once they get full you can't move them.

527
00:25:09,660 --> 00:25:11,060
So instead of moving it.

528
00:25:11,420 --> 00:25:12,860
Further to the north and on the.

529
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:16,950
Other side, we'd like to have at least moved back closer.

530
00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:20,260
To where we could set up and actually work the fire a little bit better.

531
00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:21,580
On the structure.

532
00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:26,140
And one more question just trying to think through.

533
00:25:26,260 --> 00:25:27,700
What their options might be?

534
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,070
Is it possible that sections of the road could be?

535
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:35,020
You know, 26 feet or wider and there are narrower sections or.

536
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:39,630
Or logistically, actually, the whole Rd. needs to be.

537
00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:42,460
Wider, I have seen both.

538
00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:43,540
And yes.

539
00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:46,020
The minimum would be 20 feet wide.

540
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:47,900
But the issue that we see.

541
00:25:48,140 --> 00:25:48,300
Is.

542
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:52,780
The road is 20 feet here and then widened to 26 feet.

543
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:54,940
But that 20 foot section?

544
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:56,780
Falls into disrepair.

545
00:25:57,950 --> 00:26:02,870
And so now that 20 feet now becomes 15 feet and as we drive through that area.

546
00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:05,860
Now it is unstable. Or if we do have to set up.

547
00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:07,180
In that location.

548
00:26:07,540 --> 00:26:10,260
We have to move our apparatus to a different location.

549
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:14,020
Further away from where we might need to be so having it all.

550
00:26:14,420 --> 00:26:16,140
26 feet wide makes it.

551
00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:22,940
For apparatus usage along the whole side of the building.

552
00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:23,780
Thank you.

553
00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:27,500
Unless they know which part of the buildings ablaze. Right, Exactly.

554
00:26:28,060 --> 00:26:29,020
Only light fires.

555
00:26:32,860 --> 00:26:33,900
Any other questions?

556
00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:37,660
I just had one other thought.

557
00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:39,700
So we have two key issues.

558
00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:44,020
The fire issue and the agreement neither which we have.

559
00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:45,660
At 6:00.

560
00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:46,900
Before the meeting.

561
00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:50,620
So that was one of the the amendments when I send the packet to you.

562
00:26:50,780 --> 00:26:52,060
To amend the site plan.

563
00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:55,140
These comments were sent to the applicant.

564
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:57,310
Three weeks ago.

565
00:26:58,420 --> 00:27:01,710
And presuming when we received back these new drawings.

566
00:27:01,940 --> 00:27:05,020
It would have the 26 foot white Rd. on there. They do not.

567
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:09,620
And they still don't have an agreement, so they're going to ask to defer.

568
00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:13,100
These items that are high of high level review for the TRC.

569
00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:15,950
It's up to you.

570
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,110
But I think as we learn from UFA, we'd rather have.

571
00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:22,190
Those agreements in place and.

572
00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:26,300
Very, very clearly shown on site plans that we're reviewing.

573
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:28,660
Rather than leaving it to staff.

574
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:32,430
Which we can definitely bird dog for you, absolutely.

575
00:27:32,540 --> 00:27:33,060
But umm.

576
00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:39,900
I think there's some steps that the staff took to ensure that this application is before you in a timely matter.

577
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:44,700
They're going to mention that they need to have this gymnasium.

578
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:46,900
Built and constructed for a next school year.

579
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:52,540
So that's one of the reasons why you were here in front of it. It's in front of you now.

580
00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:58,420
But I think it's prudent to ensure safety and welfare just for the very small sections of.

581
00:27:58,660 --> 00:28:00,540
State codes were allowed purview.

582
00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:01,700
That we do our.

583
00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:03,260
Response Her due diligence.

584
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:08,030
I don't want to speak on behalf of the Commission, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings to.

585
00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:09,540
Continue it and.

586
00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:11,140
Have everything come back?

587
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:12,700
Fully in order before we.

588
00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:14,420
Put a signature on anything.

589
00:28:16,460 --> 00:28:17,780
Just my train of thought though.

590
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:28,780
So I know our attorney would love to read the agreement and that and someone will want to analyze their final plan and that.

591
00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:32,470
Let's see what they bring but.

592
00:28:32,860 --> 00:28:37,140
Right. Yeah. We'll see what the applicant has for us here in a couple minutes.

593
00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:43,660
One quick question if I may. As far as fencing requirements, I mean this is up adjacent to the Frisbee park.

594
00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:44,460
Right. Umm.

595
00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:47,620
Is there any kind of?

596
00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:50,500
With schools in general.

597
00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:52,630
Security.

598
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,420
That needs to be in place along.

599
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:57,060
That east or.

600
00:28:57,260 --> 00:28:57,980
Southern.

601
00:28:58,180 --> 00:28:58,820
Part of it.

602
00:28:58,900 --> 00:28:59,820
Because it looks like.

603
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:05,500
The I don't know whatever a whole of the Frisbee park is right where they're planning to put the gym.

604
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,470
Yes, however.

605
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:11,060
We kind of.

606
00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:12,300
Bridge, so to speak.

607
00:29:12,460 --> 00:29:13,940
And 10 years ago.

608
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:17,710
State code uses the word.

609
00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:22,780
Municipality may not impose requirements for landscaping, fencing, aesthetic consideration that goes on and.

610
00:29:24,090 --> 00:29:26,090
Unless you have a very specific.

611
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:27,540
Objective.

612
00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:30,100
Tie to health and safety.

613
00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:34,510
It's very difficult, it would be very difficult to impose that regulation.

614
00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:40,580
I have had conversations with the principals over the years and the interaction with the Frisbee Park players.

615
00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:42,150
She says.

616
00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:42,900
Other than.

617
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,900
Couple of students being hit by a stray frisbee.

618
00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:47,740
And those that land on the roof.

619
00:29:47,780 --> 00:29:48,830
There really hasn't been any.

620
00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:49,620
Problems.

621
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:52,020
OK, I just.

622
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:53,580
My my wife's a principal.

623
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:57,340
For not a charter school, but one of the you know.

624
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:59,140
State districts and.

625
00:29:59,540 --> 00:30:00,140
Like.

626
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:04,580
Security is a big deal in fencing is a big deal, so that's why I just.

627
00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:09,740
Kind of curious on that when I look at this big open space where any rando can just walk right in.

628
00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:11,580
Yeah, but OK.

629
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:15,540
If that's if that's them, that's them, they'll figure it out.

630
00:30:18,490 --> 00:30:21,350
All right, great. And other questions about this one?

631
00:30:22,750 --> 00:30:24,950
OK. All right.

632
00:30:25,260 --> 00:30:26,300
Well, with that.

633
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:30,860
We will conclude the work meeting and.

634
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,000
Do we want?

635
00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:36,460
Anyone need a quick break or we get to just roll right into the regular?

636
00:30:38,730 --> 00:30:39,990
All right, ready.

637
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:41,140
Carrie, we're ready.

638
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:46,110
All right, here we go. Well, good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission.

639
00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:48,780
Meeting Tuesday, May 19th.

640
00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:50,220
2026.

641
00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:54,800
We have two items on the agenda and the third is going to be moved for a future meeting because we did not get the meeting

642
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,860
minutes.

643
00:30:59,780 --> 00:31:01,180
And so with that.

644
00:31:02,420 --> 00:31:07,740
It looks like we might have a couple members of the public that are here tonight and I have asked.

645
00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:11,340
Vice Chair Prince, if she would go ahead and read that for us now.

646
00:31:12,190 --> 00:31:16,350
The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board.

647
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:21,220
Whose function is to review land use plans and other special studies.

648
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:26,740
Make recommendations to the City Council on proposed zoning map and ordinance changes.

649
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:29,780
And approve conditional uses and subdivisions.

650
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:34,060
The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications.

651
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:37,660
Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted.

652
00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:42,630
Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings.

653
00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:46,430
Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda.

654
00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:49,220
Where the location? The nature of the neighborhood?

655
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:53,740
Existing structures and uses related to the proposed change are noted.

656
00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:59,620
Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the professional planning staff.

657
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:01,700
The city's general plan.

658
00:32:02,060 --> 00:32:04,500
Zoning ordinance and other reports.

659
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:08,460
By all verbal and written comments and by evidence submitted.

660
00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:10,700
All of which are part of the public record.

661
00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:13,430
Thank you very much, Vice Chair.

662
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:17,620
And with that, we will roll into the.

663
00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:22,550
First item that we have on our agenda, which is a continued.

664
00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:26,420
Public hearing for the Lewin Accessory Building.

665
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:29,780
And if city staff wants to give us a quick overview of that.

666
00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:38,580
Thank you, Chair Roach.

667
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:43,540
Yeah, As you mentioned, this is a continued public hearing and I do want to publicly apologize for the the applicants for delaying

668
00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:47,380
this for them.

669
00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:49,220
We did have an issue with.

670
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:50,340
Noticing.

671
00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:54,820
We want to ensure that we have give proper notice the state requires.

672
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:56,460
So that necessitated.

673
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:58,420
Continuing this application.

674
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:00,460
The first item.

675
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:04,260
For consideration as a request for conditional use permit at.

676
00:33:04,820 --> 00:33:07,300
5755 E Minden Drive.

677
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:09,980
The conditional use relates to.

678
00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:12,540
The building's footprint?

679
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,880
There are permitted footprint sizes that are allowed by city ordinance.

680
00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:24,140
Alternatively, if an applicant is looking to exceed those permitted footprint sizes, that conditional use permit can be sought.

681
00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:26,140
And approved by the Planning Commission.

682
00:33:26,910 --> 00:33:31,150
In this situation, the building under review is already constructed.

683
00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:34,540
It does have some non conforming setbacks on the South side.

684
00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:35,140
Which?

685
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:37,220
One of the other.

686
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:38,700
Considerations that the.

687
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:40,860
Planning Commission has requested a review tonight.

688
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,030
Other than the comments that I provided.

689
00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:45,420
Our work meeting.

690
00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:50,300
I'll be able to detect and take any other additional questions that the Planning Commission might have.

691
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,400
Questions for city staff.

692
00:33:55,810 --> 00:34:00,570
All righty. And I don't think we need to invite the applicant up because they were here last time.

693
00:34:01,660 --> 00:34:04,950
For members of the public, this is a continued hearing.

694
00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:08,580
And if you did not get a chance to speak on it then the last meeting and wish to speak on it tonight, you're welcome to come to

695
00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:11,740
the podium.

696
00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:14,940
We just ask that you state your name and address for the record.

697
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,340
And that you try and keep comments to 3 minutes or less.

698
00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:22,780
And with that, are there any members of the public that wish to speak on this item tonight?

699
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:27,110
All right, looks like.

700
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:28,380
Not tonight.

701
00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:31,420
With that, we'll go ahead and close the.

702
00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:34,870
Public hearing for this and commissioners.

703
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:36,940
Any additional?

704
00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:43,750
Questions for staff, the applicant or discussion points before a motion is entertained on this.

705
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,750
On this footprint.

706
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:50,100
Is there different sizes that we're considering?

707
00:34:50,740 --> 00:34:52,140
Maybe I'm confused.

708
00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:53,580
Because I see in the motion.

709
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:56,180
That you have to give a footprint size.

710
00:34:57,700 --> 00:34:58,980
So, John, maybe?

711
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:01,540
You can help us because there's a lot of blanks on the.

712
00:35:01,780 --> 00:35:02,540
The motion.

713
00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:04,260
Let's see, Hang on one second.

714
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:17,630
So you're talking about.

715
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:21,060
Yeah. So if I can help you fill in those blanks, I.

716
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:23,340
The the first one.

717
00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:26,580
I obviously as the applicant itself.

718
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:28,900
The footprint is your.

719
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:32,820
Hang on, let me get through the staff report here.

720
00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:41,060
So 850 square feet.

721
00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:43,940
Would be the the footprint that you're looking to review?

722
00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:48,150
And then the non conforming set back would be the four point.

723
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,380
I think 7 five feet on the South side.

724
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:54,590
In the R110 zone. Sorry, I didn't realize that those were not filled in for you.

725
00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:56,700
It's OK, I just thought.

726
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:04,590
All right. Great question.

727
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:05,260
And.

728
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:07,580
With that, do we have anyone that?

729
00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:10,660
Has the motion up in front of them. I did not get a cough.

730
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:34,230
The square footage and just.

731
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:41,040
To clarify that on the the missing blanks there John, it was 850 square feet and then 4 foot setbacks.

732
00:36:46,580 --> 00:36:47,440
Isn't the building.

733
00:36:47,710 --> 00:36:48,590
Over the.

734
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:51,070
For the 850 square foot Mac.

735
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:52,790
So that's part of it.

736
00:36:54,110 --> 00:36:55,670
Because it's at 1350, right?

737
00:36:56,690 --> 00:37:00,010
It's here, 975 square feet.

738
00:37:01,570 --> 00:37:08,450
Says that's the living space. You might want to clarify the size with the applicant specifically, I don't know if it's noted.

739
00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:11,060
Anywhere in the staff report.

740
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:12,840
The applicant here tonight.

741
00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:19,030
If you want to come up to the podium real quick, if you could help clarify for us on the square footage so we don't.

742
00:37:19,150 --> 00:37:20,110
Hold YouTube.

743
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:22,110
The wrong size or?

744
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:24,880
Give you an unnecessarily large amount.

745
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:29,590
OK, yes, the existing structure is 13.

746
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:30,950
I have a 1300 and.

747
00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:32,750
13 square feet.

748
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:37,200
And the reason we have 975 on the.

749
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:40,350
Plan is, that's the living space, because there's no.

750
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:42,750
Small one car garage in there as well.

751
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:46,430
And so it is over the end of.

752
00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:48,310
Square foot maximum allowed.

753
00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:49,470
But.

754
00:37:50,110 --> 00:37:52,430
To use it as an Adu.

755
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:53,310
We have to.

756
00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:55,870
Get the conditional use permit for that.

757
00:37:56,990 --> 00:38:03,990
And I'll just ask you a question simply because you're still up here and I was not at the last meeting you as the owner or?

758
00:38:04,070 --> 00:38:06,990
Comfortable with the mitigations that.

759
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:10,510
Are detailed in the staff report.

760
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:13,390
Builder. The owners are builder owner.

761
00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:15,830
The whole gang is.

762
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:17,550
Comfortable with the yes.

763
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:18,830
The findings and.

764
00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:21,430
The mitigations as described in the packet.

765
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:26,230
Yes, as long as I understand it correctly in the in the report, OK.

766
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:29,950
Thank you And question to city staff the.

767
00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:32,190
The conditional use.

768
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:35,070
Only applies to the residential because the.

769
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:36,390
Garage cars already.

770
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:38,360
Permitted use.

771
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:39,870
It would be all together.

772
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:42,390
Yeah, it would be a building. So the 13.

773
00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:44,470
Yes, 1313, so 13.

774
00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:48,230
30 or 1350 is in staff report, Yeah.

775
00:38:48,350 --> 00:38:50,070
850 square feet.

776
00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:56,350
Is what's required to be permitted, and then it's over by 500.

777
00:38:57,470 --> 00:39:04,850
But it's currently a 1313 is what you have it measured, 1313 is the number we're going with.

778
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,560
That's the question.

779
00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:07,350
How big is this?

780
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:13,710
The structure is 1313 and then there is a four foot set back somewhere on there, right? Yes, OK.

781
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:15,710
I got the important numbers.

782
00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:18,360
All right, perfect. Thank you very much.

783
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,400
I have a question for staff. So do we need to include any?

784
00:39:23,070 --> 00:39:24,470
Like fire department?

785
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:29,230
Requirements or they? I know that's will be a part of the review.

786
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:32,110
But that they would have to up.

787
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:33,150
Date or.

788
00:39:34,030 --> 00:39:35,830
Make modifications to.

789
00:39:36,070 --> 00:39:37,870
Be able to meet that code because.

790
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:39,070
I don't think we're.

791
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:42,270
In the business of allowing variances on the building.

792
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:43,950
For the fire code.

793
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:45,350
You are not.

794
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:46,390
But if they could not.

795
00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:51,430
Receive a building permit and the passing fire review, then the CUP would not be approved.

796
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:52,910
Yeah, OK.

797
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:56,230
So do we need to mention that in the approval or?

798
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:58,270
Is that already kind of?

799
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,600
It's implied. Implied.

800
00:40:00,710 --> 00:40:05,110
When you when you look at like home based businesses, they need to go get a business license.

801
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:09,950
So if you're going to approve a conditioning permit for construction, they still need to get a construction permit.

802
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:12,470
So you can definitely put that in your conditions.

803
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:14,150
OK. Thank you.

804
00:40:19,540 --> 00:40:20,640
It's got it all in one play.

805
00:40:21,610 --> 00:40:25,210
OK, let me let me take a shot at this, all right? Yes. You're going, girl.

806
00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:30,280
OK, I approved I I move to approve the conditional use permit application.

807
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:33,350
By the applicant.

808
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:36,960
By John Collier.

809
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:38,220
Umm.

810
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:44,580
For an accessory building footprint of.

811
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,300
1313.

812
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:48,370
Square feet.

813
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:49,530
Located at.

814
00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:51,810
5755.

815
00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:53,650
South Midland Drive.

816
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:54,490
Is that right?

817
00:40:58,270 --> 00:40:59,980
In the R110 zone.

818
00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:02,730
Based on the findings.

819
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:03,650
In the.

820
00:41:03,850 --> 00:41:05,090
Staff report.

821
00:41:05,290 --> 00:41:05,890
And.

822
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:08,490
Additionally, making explicit that all.

823
00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:10,610
Fire code and building code.

824
00:41:11,370 --> 00:41:13,050
Requirements would need to be followed.

825
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:14,810
In the future development of this.

826
00:41:15,570 --> 00:41:16,170
Building.

827
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:20,770
And condition. We need conditions and the conditions. Oh yes.

828
00:41:20,850 --> 00:41:22,090
Along with the.

829
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:25,210
Conditions.

830
00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:27,930
For the conditional use permit.

831
00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:31,650
That would allow the reduction of.

832
00:41:32,050 --> 00:41:32,770
Set back.

833
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:35,090
Listed in the staff report.

834
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,320
This is Commissioner Prince IF.

835
00:41:39,690 --> 00:41:44,010
Legal counsel gives me the nod that we got all the parts right. I will second that motion.

836
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:47,290
All right, well, let's call for a vote then.

837
00:41:47,530 --> 00:41:48,460
Commissioner Cunningham.

838
00:41:48,690 --> 00:41:49,890
Ay, Mr. Giovanni.

839
00:41:50,370 --> 00:41:51,170
Aye, Mr. Font.

840
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:52,570
Commissioner Prince.

841
00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:55,330
Aye, and Commissioner, Baron.

842
00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:58,170
Aye, and Chair Roach votes aye. So with that.

843
00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:01,980
Hopefully it turns out great.

844
00:42:02,370 --> 00:42:04,610
And your mom has a wonderful place to live.

845
00:42:06,910 --> 00:42:09,830
All right. And then moving right along.

846
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:14,570
We have the Wasatch Waldorf amended site plan.

847
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:16,770
And if city staff would like to.

848
00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:19,530
Walk us through the recap of this one.

849
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:25,130
Thank you, Chair Roach.

850
00:42:26,330 --> 00:42:27,450
Review for.

851
00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:33,370
The amended site plan at 1458 E Murray Holiday Road for Wasatch Welller Charter School.

852
00:42:34,210 --> 00:42:35,690
Is essentially.

853
00:42:36,090 --> 00:42:37,170
Administrative.

854
00:42:37,610 --> 00:42:39,730
Review of a permitted use site plan.

855
00:42:40,530 --> 00:42:43,290
The amendment comes from a 2016 approval.

856
00:42:44,380 --> 00:42:45,900
Yeah, 2016 approval.

857
00:42:46,850 --> 00:42:50,890
That allowed the placement of the building and a parking requirements.

858
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:53,050
Access Rd. and other.

859
00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:55,370
Physical emplacements on the site.

860
00:42:56,330 --> 00:43:01,020
The amendment specifically for this application is to extend.

861
00:43:01,130 --> 00:43:03,490
The the drive access Rd. around the backside.

862
00:43:04,210 --> 00:43:05,290
To accommodate.

863
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:08,690
A new addition to the school gymnasium and some additional classrooms.

864
00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:11,090
I'll let the applicant go through.

865
00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:13,730
There's specific specificities as to.

866
00:43:13,850 --> 00:43:16,570
What the actual building addition is and et cetera.

867
00:43:17,610 --> 00:43:20,250
The review from the technical review committee.

868
00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:22,980
Is really based upon two things.

869
00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:25,410
One, what's allowed for the permitted?

870
00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:26,970
Zone, which is the public zone.

871
00:43:27,330 --> 00:43:28,850
Where schools are and.

872
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:30,690
What is afforded us?

873
00:43:30,850 --> 00:43:34,690
Both the Planning Commission and the Technical Review committee by the state.

874
00:43:35,050 --> 00:43:38,170
As far as how far we can take reviews of school sites.

875
00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:42,620
Those conditions are listed in your staff report. I think we went through with them.

876
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:44,330
Pretty thoroughly.

877
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:46,370
With during the work session.

878
00:43:47,310 --> 00:43:50,030
But essentially what we're looking for because of the addition.

879
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:54,050
Of the school space and the modification of the emergency access area.

880
00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:57,850
Our offsite parking requirements ensuring that.

881
00:43:58,210 --> 00:44:00,730
The stability of the bank in Big Combo Creek is.

882
00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:02,730
Kept in in place.

883
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:09,490
And also the width and the design parameters of the Access Rd. running around the backside.

884
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:12,550
The technical review committees.

885
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:18,210
Specifically, the fire department department has looked at this situation and as requiring.

886
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:21,330
A dimension which is not shown on your site plan.

887
00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:24,050
The dimension that needs to be.

888
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:26,860
Modified is from.

889
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:30,650
I think is around a 20 foot to a 26 foot wide Rd.

890
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:32,660
We're waiting on.

891
00:44:32,970 --> 00:44:36,730
A design that actually shows that in the drawings that you're seeing here.

892
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:39,930
And then also an additional parking agreement.

893
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:41,810
Which is in place.

894
00:44:42,490 --> 00:44:45,530
Pending to be in place through the LDS Church on the North.

895
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:46,850
To the north of this site.

896
00:44:46,930 --> 00:44:47,620
Across the street.

897
00:44:48,350 --> 00:44:50,460
That is intended to accommodate.

898
00:44:50,850 --> 00:44:52,050
Additional student body.

899
00:44:52,410 --> 00:44:53,530
Faculty, et cetera.

900
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:57,580
The addition itself really is going to be reviewed by.

901
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:59,050
The the state billing.

902
00:44:59,250 --> 00:44:59,810
Official.

903
00:44:59,930 --> 00:45:00,370
And, umm.

904
00:45:01,050 --> 00:45:02,570
And the inspections?

905
00:45:04,050 --> 00:45:05,010
A company that.

906
00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:06,490
City quality? Really.

907
00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:07,810
Be involved in.

908
00:45:07,930 --> 00:45:09,370
Many of the construction there.

909
00:45:09,850 --> 00:45:12,610
It's really health, safety, traffic circulation.

910
00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:16,130
And offsite parking is what we're intending to review as an amendment.

911
00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:17,010
Pipeline.

912
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,500
I can just ask a quick clarifying question on the.

913
00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:26,370
Solidifying of the parking agreement with the church.

914
00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:29,250
Is that something that needs to come from?

915
00:45:29,410 --> 00:45:35,130
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints headquarters or is that something that can come from.

916
00:45:35,650 --> 00:45:36,850
Like a.

917
00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:39,090
Within or the.

918
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:41,090
Lay ministry like.

919
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:45,090
Who does that actually have to come through? Because the church is a pretty large entity.

920
00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:47,490
They do have a properties division.

921
00:45:47,730 --> 00:45:48,810
Which we deal with.

922
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:49,650
Routinely.

923
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:50,130
OK, umm.

924
00:45:50,410 --> 00:45:52,330
That's who I was expecting it to come from.

925
00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:55,140
OK. Just wanted to clarify that. Thank you.

926
00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:59,690
So they're adding another 500 students, or I mean 50 students.

927
00:46:00,410 --> 00:46:05,690
Was that what you're approximately? Yeah, the student body is growing by that much, yes, so.

928
00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:09,090
I I've only been through here when it is.

929
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,320
The start of school and that is kind of chaotic.

930
00:46:12,730 --> 00:46:14,890
So the church parking.

931
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,720
Is for daytime parking or is it for drop off?

932
00:46:19,870 --> 00:46:21,380
Can you explain how both those?

933
00:46:21,450 --> 00:46:22,850
It's used to pick up and drop off.

934
00:46:23,250 --> 00:46:23,970
OK.

935
00:46:24,370 --> 00:46:26,930
So is there a need for any traffic or?

936
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:29,020
Some type of.

937
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:34,550
I'm not even sure a crossing guard, but just.

938
00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:37,010
So that we can see how it lays out, so that.

939
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:40,420
You're proving something in another piece of property.

940
00:46:41,010 --> 00:46:41,660
That could.

941
00:46:41,890 --> 00:46:44,210
Have some ramifications if.

942
00:46:44,290 --> 00:46:45,850
People aren't cooperating and.

943
00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:47,730
Following some type of.

944
00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:49,940
Again, I'm.

945
00:46:50,050 --> 00:46:54,090
Kind of stretching here because I'm not exactly sure how it works in the church parking.

946
00:46:54,490 --> 00:46:57,250
Or if that is indeed what happens at all, so.

947
00:46:58,290 --> 00:47:01,010
That's why I'm asking based upon over the years of reviewing.

948
00:47:01,090 --> 00:47:02,690
Traffic circulation at this site.

949
00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:04,090
And the.

950
00:47:04,210 --> 00:47:05,340
New constructed.

951
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:08,010
Pedestrian activated crosswalk that's there.

952
00:47:09,090 --> 00:47:10,650
And it's being widely used.

953
00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:14,370
For the pick up and drop off, his parents walk their kids across the street.

954
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:17,090
That is the location that is.

955
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:18,990
Definitely being used.

956
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:21,690
As parents drop off or pick up.

957
00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:23,610
And drop off students while.

958
00:47:24,850 --> 00:47:26,290
Navigating Murray holiday.

959
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:30,300
Previously, I think there was a time when they were.

960
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:33,250
Parking all the way over in the park space.

961
00:47:33,370 --> 00:47:36,290
At the Creekside Park and walking with the sidewalk across.

962
00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:38,250
Obviously a closer location.

963
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:43,530
But you can definitely ask the applicants as to how that's working out.

964
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:47,730
I guess I'm just asking, is a self governing on the church property?

965
00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:50,610
And you park wherever you want and.

966
00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:56,410
I I haven't seen the actual agreement to say the 1st 152030 stalls are being written.

967
00:47:56,770 --> 00:47:57,850
To be leased, but I'm.

968
00:47:58,210 --> 00:47:59,290
Appreciate it. Thank you.

969
00:48:00,850 --> 00:48:03,370
OK, Other questions for city staff?

970
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:06,940
All right, let's hear from the applicant.

971
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:18,990
Hello, I'm Heather Campbell.

972
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:22,290
I'm the executive director at Wasatch Waldorf Charter School.

973
00:48:22,850 --> 00:48:26,010
And 1st I want to say thank you for the crosswalk.

974
00:48:26,370 --> 00:48:27,530
It's wonderful.

975
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:29,650
Our parents really appreciate it.

976
00:48:30,370 --> 00:48:34,690
I was over there today just to kind of get a feel for how much it's being used and.

977
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:40,530
We have about 20 to 30 parents dropping off and picking up over there three times throughout the day.

978
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:42,490
So that reduces our traffic line.

979
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:43,850
By at least that much.

980
00:48:43,930 --> 00:48:44,930
If we can work on.

981
00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:48,370
Maybe more parents using that? That might also help alleviate.

982
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:50,290
Traffic that's on the main Rd.

983
00:48:52,330 --> 00:48:56,100
And so I just wanted to speak to that because you were asking what does that look like?

984
00:48:56,490 --> 00:48:58,890
That parking lot since the crosswalk.

985
00:48:58,970 --> 00:49:01,810
Was there and some parents used it prior to that too.

986
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:06,650
But what I'm trying to do right now is have a lease agreement in writing with the church so that we have a.

987
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:12,410
Clear agreement on what that looks like as far as our use of that and that during construction.

988
00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:13,970
That we could put.

989
00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:17,930
Faculty over there as an option for parking.

990
00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:18,770
So that we're not.

991
00:49:19,850 --> 00:49:21,970
In the wrong places.

992
00:49:22,650 --> 00:49:23,930
Or blocking the fire lane.

993
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:29,340
So that's in process and being reviewed right now and that came from I.

994
00:49:29,810 --> 00:49:31,810
Reached out to the stake president, who then.

995
00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:34,410
Brought me over to a legal.

996
00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:38,100
Office and they've been the ones drafting that document for us.

997
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:41,970
OK. So that just to clarify that's not.

998
00:49:42,090 --> 00:49:43,730
Done yet? You're still waiting.

999
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:47,330
It's not completed. I have a draft and I have one of our.

1000
00:49:47,410 --> 00:49:49,330
Board members reviewing the draft right now.

1001
00:49:49,410 --> 00:49:51,770
OK, and just for my.

1002
00:49:52,610 --> 00:49:53,450
Enlightenment.

1003
00:49:53,850 --> 00:49:58,050
Parents park there and then walk their children across the street, where they.

1004
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:59,610
Park there and say.

1005
00:49:59,970 --> 00:50:01,850
Go for it. I'll watch you go.

1006
00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:05,130
How does it work both depending on age.

1007
00:50:05,330 --> 00:50:07,450
Uh-huh. A lot of parents enjoy the walk.

1008
00:50:07,610 --> 00:50:08,490
With their child.

1009
00:50:08,890 --> 00:50:09,290
And.

1010
00:50:10,090 --> 00:50:14,330
And then some are old enough where they get dropped off and walk across and it has the stop light.

1011
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:16,090
The button on it and.

1012
00:50:16,770 --> 00:50:19,210
And then when school's out, they're able to the.

1013
00:50:19,330 --> 00:50:22,690
Children can many just push the button and walk across.

1014
00:50:23,170 --> 00:50:23,770
Thank you.

1015
00:50:23,850 --> 00:50:27,810
Yeah. And I think if we have a higher use of it and an agreement maybe.

1016
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:29,250
I need to look into the.

1017
00:50:29,370 --> 00:50:31,290
Liability and the insurance coverage, but.

1018
00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:33,460
Having someone over there to monitor.

1019
00:50:34,210 --> 00:50:35,210
Monitor the use.

1020
00:50:35,370 --> 00:50:39,850
I think will be something we put on our agenda for August when we do staff duties.

1021
00:50:40,210 --> 00:50:41,330
On pickup and drop off.

1022
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:42,850
Get someone over there.

1023
00:50:43,090 --> 00:50:44,450
I found a sweatshirt.

1024
00:50:44,610 --> 00:50:45,250
Today so.

1025
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:48,530
Probably need to monitor that a little better.

1026
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,580
Her other issue is going to be the.

1027
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:54,890
State Fire Marshall's requirements.

1028
00:50:55,450 --> 00:50:59,210
Which we don't see on any of the plans that have been submitted so far.

1029
00:50:59,410 --> 00:51:00,690
Is it accurate to?

1030
00:51:01,550 --> 00:51:04,790
Say that the plans have not yet been approved by the.

1031
00:51:05,050 --> 00:51:06,210
State Fire Marshall.

1032
00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:11,870
I think that's in process. I know there's we were trying to reach out today.

1033
00:51:12,250 --> 00:51:14,210
Because there are most of the.

1034
00:51:14,450 --> 00:51:16,340
Fireland is at 26 feet.

1035
00:51:16,770 --> 00:51:19,690
And then there's two spots I think that are at 24.

1036
00:51:19,930 --> 00:51:21,570
Feet on two sides of the building.

1037
00:51:22,570 --> 00:51:23,610
West, am I correct?

1038
00:51:24,050 --> 00:51:26,170
OK. And so?

1039
00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:29,970
Our architect and design team are trying to reach out.

1040
00:51:30,050 --> 00:51:31,130
Today we just found out.

1041
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:33,570
About that this morning. So they're trying to reach out to.

1042
00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:34,570
Work through those.

1043
00:51:35,710 --> 00:51:37,790
That dimension and that issue and.

1044
00:51:38,090 --> 00:51:39,090
What can we do?

1045
00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:40,810
And what do we need to do?

1046
00:51:40,930 --> 00:51:41,610
To fix that.

1047
00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:44,210
And absolutely will.

1048
00:51:44,410 --> 00:51:45,370
Find a way to get approval.

1049
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:46,730
Yeah, in the.

1050
00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:52,890
In the diagram, particularly the one that is on the screen right now, it shows that the width of the road is 20 feet.

1051
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:56,220
So which part would be a problem?

1052
00:51:56,330 --> 00:51:58,370
I think I think W needs to explain it.

1053
00:51:58,850 --> 00:51:59,010
OK.

1054
00:52:01,970 --> 00:52:05,530
Thank you. I have a little bit more information on this. What's your name and?

1055
00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:10,330
My name is Wes Baker and I'm from Babcock Design Group, the architect for the project.

1056
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:15,660
We are aware of the 26 foot.

1057
00:52:15,810 --> 00:52:17,610
Requirement. We were aware of it for a while.

1058
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:19,490
And that inside curb that's there.

1059
00:52:19,610 --> 00:52:21,410
Was intended to be a rolled.

1060
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:22,010
That A.

1061
00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:27,570
Fire response vehicle can pull up on to make sure they maintain that entire width.

1062
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:31,210
We've been preparing a diagram that we can send back to the city and and to.

1063
00:52:31,930 --> 00:52:37,130
The the Unified Fire Authority, but also the state fire Marshall to kind of demonstrate that compliance.

1064
00:52:37,450 --> 00:52:42,570
The area that we're trying to get some clarification on is some of the existing areas that we weren't planning on touching.

1065
00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:46,955
Are currently less than 26 feet. So what is the requirement for what has to be adjusted that that we weren't planning to touch

1066
00:52:46,955 --> 00:52:51,140
that has nothing to do with with the.

1067
00:52:51,370 --> 00:52:52,770
Area where they proposed.

1068
00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:57,690
Future edition is going to go. So those are some of the things that we're working through trying to get.

1069
00:52:58,090 --> 00:53:00,970
Clarification on and then ultimately our goal is to get.

1070
00:53:01,090 --> 00:53:05,467
For compliance with what? With what is required as part of the approval process with the state, we are required to coordinate with

1071
00:53:05,467 --> 00:53:09,844
the city. We're required to coordinate with the state fire Marshall, who always wants to coordinate with the local responding

1072
00:53:09,844 --> 00:53:14,221
authority.

1073
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:16,250
And so part of part of that process is.

1074
00:53:16,330 --> 00:53:18,050
We can't get our permit until.

1075
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:21,210
We finished that coordination or at least it's it's mostly finished.

1076
00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:26,050
And so to do that, we have to demonstrate both to to unified fire, but also the state fire Marshall.

1077
00:53:26,130 --> 00:53:27,770
That we are meeting that 20 states.

1078
00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:29,490
Excuse me, a 26 foot.

1079
00:53:29,890 --> 00:53:31,770
Width requirement that is there.

1080
00:53:32,290 --> 00:53:34,170
So when do you expect that?

1081
00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:37,530
We would see documents that reflected.

1082
00:53:38,090 --> 00:53:39,770
That 26 feet.

1083
00:53:39,970 --> 00:53:40,970
Of the street.

1084
00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:43,050
What you see up there?

1085
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:44,130
Does meet that?

1086
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:46,620
But we need to clarify how we're reading that because.

1087
00:53:46,850 --> 00:53:49,850
Again, that inside curb is not a full kind of.

1088
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:53,510
Sharp curve, it's it's a rolled curve so that a vehicle can can go up on the top of it and there were some Ballers that were

1089
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:56,810
around there to help.

1090
00:53:56,930 --> 00:54:03,570
Kind of make sure that the vehicles never came too close to the building. So we have a diagram that we just received.

1091
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:08,410
An hour ago that that tomorrow will start fording to to to.

1092
00:54:09,130 --> 00:54:14,260
Others at the city and and the fire authorities to make sure that we can continue that discussion.

1093
00:54:14,650 --> 00:54:15,490
So the.

1094
00:54:15,850 --> 00:54:17,410
And just I don't remember.

1095
00:54:17,490 --> 00:54:19,490
Recall if you were in here but the fire.

1096
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:21,420
What was his title?

1097
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,140
Area Fire Marshall Area Fire Marshall. Thank you. Didn't want to.

1098
00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:28,610
Misrepresent there.

1099
00:54:29,610 --> 00:54:33,890
He spoke to the need and requirement of 26 foot.

1100
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:38,010
Consistently on all parts of the lane in order to.

1101
00:54:38,130 --> 00:54:39,130
Safely, uh.

1102
00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:41,620
Mitigate fire problems.

1103
00:54:41,730 --> 00:54:42,410
Using.

1104
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:47,780
Whatever apparatus or mechanisms involved that don't involve putting.

1105
00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:49,370
Those machines.

1106
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:51,170
Over curbs or.

1107
00:54:51,330 --> 00:54:52,210
Landscape, uh.

1108
00:54:52,610 --> 00:54:56,410
Sure. And and that's good to know. We, we tried to reach out to probably him.

1109
00:54:56,570 --> 00:55:00,370
Earlier today and he was probably occupied trying to talk to you guys, so.

1110
00:55:00,610 --> 00:55:08,930
Yeah, we'll make sure that we talk to him. And again, our goal and intent is to fully comply with with what they require.

1111
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:11,250
He also mentioned the.

1112
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:12,570
Possible issue of.

1113
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:14,450
Moving a hydrant.

1114
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:16,930
And some concerns that.

1115
00:55:17,050 --> 00:55:19,890
He and the fire department had in terms of.

1116
00:55:20,330 --> 00:55:24,450
How that would affect their hoses and hose deployment and movement and things and?

1117
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:28,860
Is that do you want to speak to that?

1118
00:55:29,370 --> 00:55:33,810
Issue I I've read the comment, it's probably not as much information as you were given earlier.

1119
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:37,010
There's an existing fire hydrant that happens to just be kind of where.

1120
00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:40,650
The new extension of the road is going to go, so it has to move anyway.

1121
00:55:40,770 --> 00:55:43,210
And our civil engineer had just kind of moved it.

1122
00:55:43,330 --> 00:55:44,330
Straight East.

1123
00:55:44,570 --> 00:55:45,770
To get it out of the way.

1124
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:50,130
But the comment that I read was that the Fire Marshall preferred it to be further to the South.

1125
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:53,060
Which we don't have any concerns with that. It's it's just a matter of.

1126
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:56,050
Of determining where that final location.

1127
00:55:56,210 --> 00:55:58,370
Location is that everyone's going to be happy with?

1128
00:55:58,810 --> 00:56:00,330
OK, OK. All right.

1129
00:56:00,850 --> 00:56:01,970
Additional questions.

1130
00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:04,610
For the architect or the applicant at this time.

1131
00:56:05,170 --> 00:56:06,650
OK. We'll go ahead and have you sit down.

1132
00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:07,170
Thank you.

1133
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:09,940
Are you with the?

1134
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:17,690
OK. Then hang on just a second because we're about to open open the public hearing here.

1135
00:56:17,810 --> 00:56:18,570
So, umm.

1136
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:24,915
With that, we will open the public hearing. Any members of the public that wish to make comment tonight may do so. We ask that you

1137
00:56:24,915 --> 00:56:31,180
state your name and address for the record and please talk into the microphone so our recorder can capture everything.

1138
00:56:31,450 --> 00:56:34,810
And try and keep your comments to 3 minutes or less if you would.

1139
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,720
My name is Holly Christiansen.

1140
00:56:45,010 --> 00:56:50,450
I live directly adjacent to the school across the Creek. I think my home is the most directly impacted by school activities. I'm

1141
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:55,890
at 4795 S.

1142
00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:57,650
Yorktown Dr.

1143
00:56:58,510 --> 00:57:04,940
And I am unclear on exactly where the driveway is being extended. Is it the back?

1144
00:57:05,050 --> 00:57:06,650
To the back of the school.

1145
00:57:07,210 --> 00:57:11,890
So how much further into the microphone, if you would?

1146
00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:16,690
They'll get a chance to answer any question like how far is it being extended?

1147
00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:20,330
No, just make your comment and then we'll invite them up.

1148
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:21,810
OK, OK.

1149
00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:24,770
Yeah. So I'd like to know how far it's being.

1150
00:57:24,890 --> 00:57:25,930
Extended.

1151
00:57:26,730 --> 00:57:29,050
If that's if it's going to affect.

1152
00:57:29,250 --> 00:57:33,570
The yurts that are Creekside, if they're going to be moved at all.

1153
00:57:34,410 --> 00:57:37,290
If any trees anywhere will be removed.

1154
00:57:37,410 --> 00:57:42,770
I have emailed with Mr. Tearling just today and I appreciate your time and efforts.

1155
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:45,730
I did make some comments to him and.

1156
00:57:46,210 --> 00:57:47,930
I would like to just.

1157
00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:52,330
Read my comments to you and my thoughts as.

1158
00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:55,410
Someone who has lived next to the school since.

1159
00:57:56,290 --> 00:57:59,730
Since it was built, I was there many years before it was built.

1160
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,300
Sounds like the school is seeking to amend its site footprint to accommodate growth.

1161
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:13,770
However, the site's current physical layout is already failing to contain extreme repetitive noise nuisances.

1162
00:58:14,130 --> 00:58:15,930
Like daily outdoor drumming.

1163
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,080
While the school is a permitted.

1164
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:25,010
Utah code allows this Commission to impose restrictions to mitigate unreasonable risks to health and safety.

1165
00:58:25,450 --> 00:58:31,490
The ongoing high decibel outdoor percussion is an unmitigated health hazard to surrounding homes.

1166
00:58:31,570 --> 00:58:35,450
Homeowners by altering the layout and expanding students.

1167
00:58:35,530 --> 00:58:40,020
Capacity without including physical noise mitigation structures.

1168
00:58:40,530 --> 00:58:43,810
This amendment actively aggravates the negative impact.

1169
00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:46,450
On the surrounding residential properties.

1170
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:50,580
Violating the core intent of holiday land use approval standards.

1171
00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:57,020
Allowing an amendment that increases student capacity without conditioning that approval on a total.

1172
00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:58,810
Indoor only policy.

1173
00:58:59,170 --> 00:59:02,650
Or percussion or sound dampening acoustic wall.

1174
00:59:02,890 --> 00:59:05,890
Fails the city's duty to protect neighborhood health.

1175
00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:09,530
I request that the Commission table this site plan.

1176
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:13,890
Amendment until the school submits a certified noise mitigation plan.

1177
00:59:14,170 --> 00:59:16,330
Or condition any final approval.

1178
00:59:16,610 --> 00:59:20,530
On a strict requirement that all percussion be moved entirely indoors.

1179
00:59:20,810 --> 00:59:24,210
Or behind a professional sound dampening acoustic barrier.

1180
00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:28,610
Holiday's noise ordinance exempts occasional school events.

1181
00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:35,210
But it does not ground a blanket license for continuous daily outdoor auditory nuisances.

1182
00:59:35,770 --> 00:59:40,050
By adding more students, the school is scaling up a disruptive operation.

1183
00:59:40,450 --> 00:59:42,570
That bleeds across property lines.

1184
00:59:42,970 --> 00:59:45,810
I request that this site plan amendment be tabled.

1185
00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:49,090
Until the school adjusts its outdoor layout to move these.

1186
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:52,930
High noise zones away from residential property lines.

1187
00:59:53,610 --> 00:59:55,420
Thank you for your consideration.

1188
00:59:56,130 --> 00:59:56,770
Thank you.

1189
01:00:02,330 --> 01:00:04,450
And did we have any other public comment tonight?

1190
01:00:08,290 --> 01:00:09,170
No, OK.

1191
01:00:11,970 --> 01:00:13,250
And with that, we can.

1192
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:15,740
Close the public hearing for now.

1193
01:00:16,410 --> 01:00:21,170
We can give the applicant just a moment to come up and address any other comments that have been made if she'd like.

1194
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:25,970
Yes. Umm.

1195
01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:32,530
I think one of the things that is included in that new addition to the building is another music room.

1196
01:00:32,970 --> 01:00:36,250
And right now we have a wonderful teacher from Kenya.

1197
01:00:36,370 --> 01:00:38,090
Who teaches African drumming?

1198
01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:41,170
It's quite beautiful and obviously a little loud.

1199
01:00:42,250 --> 01:00:44,570
So good to know that that's bothersome.

1200
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:46,050
It's a few times a week.

1201
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:47,370
That he teaches the class.

1202
01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:48,650
So anyway.

1203
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:49,890
That would be going inside.

1204
01:00:50,330 --> 01:00:51,090
So I feel like.

1205
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:58,050
The and the larger gym would allow for more of our children who are playing games outside to also play those games inside.

1206
01:00:58,490 --> 01:01:01,170
So I'm hopeful that that sounds like a reasonable.

1207
01:01:02,490 --> 01:01:04,690
Reason that we're outside right now.

1208
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,640
We are outside a lot, it's true.

1209
01:01:07,690 --> 01:01:09,690
OK. Thank you very much.

1210
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:10,760
And I think.

1211
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,280
West can speak to.

1212
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,560
The road and how far we're moving it up.

1213
01:01:20,650 --> 01:01:22,690
I think if you go to page 24.

1214
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,520
Of the.

1215
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,440
Packet. It shows the original site plan that that is currently there.

1216
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:28,560
Go down.

1217
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:29,360
One more.

1218
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,320
That's the the current.

1219
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,440
Layout of the road towards the South.

1220
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,360
Those darker circular.

1221
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,320
As items are the yurts.

1222
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,880
That were referred to.

1223
01:01:42,090 --> 01:01:47,210
The road is intended to be extended all the way to that South property line that abuts the park.

1224
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,600
And so in that.

1225
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,520
The the yurts have to move.

1226
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,800
There are half of them are currently on.

1227
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,000
The park property.

1228
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,160
And so the intention is to relocate them.

1229
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,800
Elsewhere and allow for that road to extend all the way South towards that property line.

1230
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,520
So if you go forward a couple pages, you'll see the new site plan.

1231
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:07,920
Where you can see that?

1232
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,200
Whatever's there right now has has been moved and relocated in that road.

1233
01:02:13,070 --> 01:02:15,130
Is right along the edge of the property line there.

1234
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,200
So the answer to that is that the yurts and the trees are going away to replace with the lane.

1235
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:24,440
Correct. OK.

1236
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:25,240
Correct.

1237
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,440
All right. Thank you.

1238
01:02:29,590 --> 01:02:30,270
All right, um.

1239
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:32,880
Commissioners.

1240
01:02:34,310 --> 01:02:35,970
So as.

1241
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,160
Discussed in our work meeting.

1242
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,000
Oh, you can talk to the applicant after.

1243
01:02:46,670 --> 01:02:48,770
Well, we've already taken your public comment.

1244
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:49,480
And.

1245
01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:10,250
OK, so I'll make note of it that there will be more.

1246
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,720
Comment was concerned.

1247
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,280
There will be more traffic from the Earth's being moved.

1248
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,200
As added to the record.

1249
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:20,560
So.

1250
01:03:21,460 --> 01:03:24,970
With that, there are the two points that were brought up during the work session.

1251
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,640
Which the applicant answered.

1252
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:29,770
They're still in progress.

1253
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,240
And during the work discussion, we kind of talked about.

1254
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:40,010
For this body to sign off on the health and safety for all these kids and everyone involved.

1255
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,160
Everyone would feel a lot better to have those things finalized before anything else is approved or move forward or deferred to

1256
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,520
someone else to have to do that.

1257
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:55,380
So unless anybody has opposition, I would make a motion that we continue this until those things can be achieved by the applicant

1258
01:03:55,380 --> 01:03:59,640
and brought back.

1259
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,800
For final review by this Commission.

1260
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,320
This is Commissioner Prince. I'll second that motion.

1261
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,480
OK. And a motion and a second, we'll call for vote.

1262
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:09,520
Commissioner Baron.

1263
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,960
Hi, Mr. McGowan, Hi.

1264
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,040
Commissioner Prince Aye.

1265
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,240
Mr. Font.

1266
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:14,560
Mr.

1267
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,240
Aye, and Commissioner Cunningham.

1268
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:22,600
Aye, and Chair Roach votes aye. So with that, it will be tabled until those things are completed and brought back to us.

1269
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,080
And that could be as early as the next meeting if you get those already then.

1270
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,170
Otherwise you can work with city staff and once those are.

1271
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:32,280
Secured.

1272
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,760
Then we will see you soon.

1273
01:04:35,550 --> 01:04:37,450
All right, and.

1274
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:38,360
With that.

1275
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,080
There are no minutes.

1276
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:41,400
Dress.

1277
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,680
Because we did not get those, so those are moved. So I will make a motion to adjourn all in favor.

1278
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,480
Aye, anyone to stay?