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I just text Carrie. I haven't heard.

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From her.

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If she's.

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Making it tonight, did you guys hear anything from her at all?

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OK, maybe she'll just be fashionably late.

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Otherwise I just got upgraded to 1st class with chairman.

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OK. Good evening.

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Afternoon, everyone. It's 533.

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Tuesday, June 16th.

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2026 It's the holiday City Planning Commission work session.

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And we have.

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Five items on the agenda tonight. The 1st is the continued item.

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And we have all Commissioners present.

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Except for.

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Commissioner Prince.

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And we have.

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Lots of city staff and council president.

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So whoever's going to give us a recap?

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Of uh.

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Wasatch Waldorf.

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Thank you, Chair.

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This is Community and Economic Development Director John Given.

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Update on the Wasatch Waldorf Charter.

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Site plan amendment which you heard.

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Meeting held.

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Was that the 19th?

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Of March.

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Or no.

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May.

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There's a couple items that the Planning Commission specifically required the applicant to come back with.

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Namely, a parking agreement which provides.

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Off site parking.

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Secured long in and the long term arrangement.

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In order to.

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Accommodate.

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The additional.

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Building space for the school.

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And the gymnasium in the additional faculty.

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They the applicant has been working.

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Primarily with the.

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LDS Church across the street.

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And then as a backup, secondarily with the senior care center to the east.

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So further, boy.

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But they have come up with an arrangement.

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To.

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At least those parking stalls in the long term.

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I did not include those draft.

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Contract agreements in your staff report.

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Those are private.

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Agreements between two property owners.

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But I.

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Have seen them.

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They aren't executed.

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With Aaron Draft forum and you can bring that up with the applicant as they.

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When they present this afternoon.

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So it's weird we're satisfied that they do have those parking stalls arranged for.

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It passes the legal muster necessary to.

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Check the box.

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OK, primarily I think those will definitely be used for events.

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Like assemblies and such.

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During the day I don't see those being used, but.

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When there's overflow required, I definitely see those are required.

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Use umm.

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The second issue that the Planning Commission continued.

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On was the.

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Emergency access dimensions of the fire lane behind the school.

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As you saw in your site plan.

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There's an existing emergency driveway along the backside.

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Proposed to be extended.

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In order to accommodate.

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The expansion of the gymnasium in the school.

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The width of that.

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Driveway.

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Narrows in some locations.

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And required some specific code modifications from Unified Fire Authority.

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And also the state Fire Marshall's office.

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I have included a letter.

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In your packet.

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That the applicant has reached.

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An agreement and approval.

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With.

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Both the state and unified fire authority on the dimensions of that fire lien as it's proposed in your opinion or?

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Packet tonight.

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So the TRC is satisfied that both of those requirements.

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Are satisfied and.

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Can be presented for the Planning Commission for a final review.

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Based upon some comments I believe.

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You closed. Did you close?

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Public comment.

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On this.

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I believe we kept it open when we continued it.

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I didn't have.

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And you know, it's unless I roll them here. Oh yes, you did close it.

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Oh, did I?

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Yeah, great.

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There were some comments that I.

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Tried to address in your packet from neighboring property owners.

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Primarily having to do with noise and.

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I want to ensure that the record is very clear that the.

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Statutory.

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Regulation, uh.

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For municipalities.

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States that there's only a few things that we can review on when we look at.

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State level type projects. Funded projects.

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Specifically, some landscaping fencing.

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Those types of things are not something that we can require or mandate from the property owner.

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As long as it's life.

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Related.

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Those are the elements that are the land use authority, the Planning Commission.

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Can review.

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And mandate as a site plan requirement.

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The only other issue that.

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The TRC reviewed.

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And is satisfied that doesn't conflict with city of Holiday.

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Regulations is the protection of the stream bank.

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And we have written a requirement in.

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Requested.

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That you review one of the recommendations from the staff is that.

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That be maintained.

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That all the trees that the apex at the top of the Creek.

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Are not to be impacted by this driveway expansion.

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Based upon the dimensions that have been.

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Shown in your drawings, we don't believe that will be an issue.

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However.

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There has been a concern from.

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Abutting property owners voiced to Salt Lake County flood control.

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And some other.

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County and state entities that.

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That could potentially be a violation of county flood control permits.

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I have been copied and CC D on several e-mail from the Division of Wild or Division of Water Rights, Salt Lake County Flood

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control.

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Salt Lake County regional Parks.

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About reviewing this project at their level.

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So I will.

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They are working the applicant.

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Is working with Salt Lake County.

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Flood control on their flood control.

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Permitting.

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Which is out sort of outside of this purview.

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If they see any violations similar to what we see with fire.

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The fire access situation.

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The applicant will be dealing with them directly.

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And should not impose.

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A review at our level.

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Restriction review from our level at.

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As far as an approval is concerned.

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If that makes sense.

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I think that makes sense. I mean.

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In this particular zone where.

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Really limited and.

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Relying heavily on city staff to.

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Kind of paint that line we're towing and they're towing, right? This is a really, really strange situation.

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2016 we had a this school.

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Reviewed.

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And approved at a state level.

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A floodplain.

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If you you may or may not know.

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The The Creekside Park is a flood retention basin.

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And the the earthen hill that many.

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Frisbee golfers used to drive off of.

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Is a dam.

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The dam is regulated by a floodgate.

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That is improved conditions dramatically.

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But in the event that that earthen dam.

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Ruptures, fails, whatever.

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There are there is 1983 modeling that shows most of those homes West of the dam all the way to.

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9th East being inundated with a level of water.

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But that would that's a modeling situation that.

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Is based on 1983 models.

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A lot of upstream improvements have taken place since then.

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However, regardless, the school is there.

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It's in a floodplain. It has a flood control permit.

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So any modifications to that?

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Is the applicant's responsibility to apply to the counties at the county level?

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So accordingly.

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The 2016 approval from the Planning Commission.

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There's an original letter.

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In your packet.

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All of those conditions should remain in place.

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And I think we made that clear in staff recommendations in addition to clarifying that.

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Unified Fire Authority has approved.

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The the.

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Modifications to the width of that driveway in the back.

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And additional parking stalls have been secured off site.

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So if approved tonight and everything moves forward and then.

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A 1983 flood hits and puts it underwater. It's not the city's fault.

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Is what I'm hearing. We've reviewed that in the county.

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Flood control.

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Has approved approved a project there.

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OK. Any other questions around the first item?

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All right. Well, we appreciate your.

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Thorough diligence and.

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Getting that vetted out, John.

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Next, item number 2.

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The zone map amendment from.

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121 to pee on memory.

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Yeah. So this is justice.

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I will be handling that.

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So that's that's an application for a rezone from a single family residential to.

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The public zone.

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The subject property is currently owned by.

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Holiday Memorial Cemetery.

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The call intent is to expand the existing cemetery.

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Which is directly South of the subject property.

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And in order for them to do that.

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They would have to go through a rezone in order to.

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Accommodate that.

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Primary cemetery use.

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For that zone. So that's what this one's about.

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And if.

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If that zone.

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Change is approved and it is rezoned as P.

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Is there any like?

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Potential that they could.

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Sell it off to something that could be other than a cemetery.

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Not really.

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That the primary use for.

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That the P zone.

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I mean, it's institutional.

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When you check the general plan institutional.

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And open space.

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They already mentioned in the narrative that.

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They're hot priced for space.

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Right now as it is.

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For the cemetery.

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And that's the core intent to do that. So I don't think.

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There is any other?

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Motives to.

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Use it for a different purpose.

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Sure. I just, you know.

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Hard times. Like I can think of 1,000,000 doomsday scenarios in my head up here so.

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Just wanted.

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Make sure it's not something that could go.

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A different direction. I think it makes sense looking at the map and.

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Everything.

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Questions on this one.

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Just two questions.

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This is just the rezone if they decide to develop it with roads or any kind of buildings you know.

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In accordance with the.

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Cemetery use that would come back.

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Before the committee.

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That's that.

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For example, when the mausoleum was constructed, that did come back for a site plan review.

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I'm not sure if they're.

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Planning on anything like that?

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Sure. My second question is a personal one.

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My mom is buried there. Is that a close personal connection for which I would have to recuse myself?

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Is there a financial gain?

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Nope.

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OK, just to be clear, she's buried in the cemetery. Not the lot that they want to turn into one.

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That's great.

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All right.

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Be something else entirely. All right #3 the.

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Text amendment for the Holiday Village.

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Building height standards.

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Chair, I have.

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That item tonight?

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We've been approached, the city has been approached with an application to amend the.

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The height standards in the village.

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Specifically for ones.

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One spot.

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Only.

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Which?

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Is odd because that height standard extends to.

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Multiple properties within the village zone.

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The applicant tonight.

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Is in preparation of redevelopment.

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Plans.

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For this corner.

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Those plans are not.

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Under review tonight.

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They've been provided to you as a concept, as in a packet, just to show you where they're at.

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In the in the design process.

274
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And where they're at.

275
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Is a.

276
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Limitation on the 35 foot height restriction for this specific area.

277
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Just to clarify.

278
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This is a.

279
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Text amendment to change.

280
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The height allowance from 35 to 50 feet. This is not a review of site plan or.

281
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Building design or?

282
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Civil designs or.

283
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Natural hazard.

284
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Issues.

285
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We have I've emailed all of you a.

286
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Set of public comment that have come in over the past few days.

287
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Hopefully you receive that.

288
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I think you can.

289
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Guess what the tenor is around the neighborhood.

290
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As to the public opinion on amending building heights in the village?

291
00:13:54,190 --> 00:13:58,350
But I wanted to offer just a quick history background that I provided in the staff report.

292
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We did have originally in the village zone, some heights that you are you don't see here.

293
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And they were a little bit taller.

294
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The City Council.

295
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Enacted A moratorium to study building heightened density and.

296
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And I believe it's 2016.

297
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And I was part of.

298
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That review committee.

299
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And proposed.

300
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New building heights.

301
00:14:23,550 --> 00:14:24,470
Based upon.

302
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The goals of the Council at the time and then.

303
00:14:27,630 --> 00:14:28,990
Also, what development?

304
00:14:29,270 --> 00:14:32,030
Potential was quote UN quote left on the table.

305
00:14:32,270 --> 00:14:33,670
Based upon the.

306
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The clock tower building of the village.

307
00:14:36,750 --> 00:14:39,030
That's being that's completed already.

308
00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:44,160
They built to a height that they determined was appropriate for their development.

309
00:14:44,750 --> 00:14:46,190
Which they could have gone higher.

310
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The council at the time said there really isn't a need to go any higher than those buildings.

311
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In other parts of the village, so.

312
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Pretty much rest of the heights were lowered.

313
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To match that.

314
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Level of elevation.

315
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Accordingly.

316
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From at least my point of view of being on that committee.

317
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And not understanding where the Council's point of view is at that time.

318
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Recommending a building height that goes from 35 to 50 that really doesn't height really isn't allowed anywhere else in the

319
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village.

320
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Would not be something that the staff could.

321
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Support.

322
00:15:20,830 --> 00:15:26,430
However, you can definitely hold a moderate or moderated conversation with the applicant on the merits of it.

323
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But.

324
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Limiting it to the vision and the goals. Statements from the village.

325
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And then the master plan.

326
00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:36,860
Not necessarily on their design proposals.

327
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Of their concept.

328
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Only because the concept itself.

329
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The layout was.

330
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Based upon.

331
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Assuming a 50 foot height standard.

332
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So.

333
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I apologize in advance, I was.

334
00:15:51,830 --> 00:15:57,550
Traveling and then my power was out this afternoon when I got home, so I had not had a chance to.

335
00:15:57,750 --> 00:15:59,310
Thoroughly read through the packet.

336
00:16:01,350 --> 00:16:03,750
How many comments were there?

337
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:05,870
In the packet, would you say?

338
00:16:06,350 --> 00:16:07,550
I just emailed them.

339
00:16:08,590 --> 00:16:10,640
Two hours ago and I would say.

340
00:16:11,190 --> 00:16:12,550
A dozen? OK.

341
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Would you?

342
00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:17,870
To guess if there were any in favor.

343
00:16:18,350 --> 00:16:19,750
There are none in favor. OK.

344
00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:24,400
I have a question.

345
00:16:25,890 --> 00:16:27,600
As far as the 50 feet?

346
00:16:28,030 --> 00:16:29,310
They're just calling it.

347
00:16:29,390 --> 00:16:32,430
They want the application to be universal, so.

348
00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,800
I'm wondering if there couldn't be more of an architectural.

349
00:16:37,270 --> 00:16:40,150
Context or a contextual architecture?

350
00:16:40,830 --> 00:16:43,950
Element added to that where there may be some heights.

351
00:16:44,270 --> 00:16:45,590
That would be appropriate.

352
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:47,910
In the scale of.

353
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Adjacency to single family or.

354
00:16:50,950 --> 00:16:52,320
To streets and that type of thing.

355
00:16:52,630 --> 00:16:55,350
To me it's kind of troubling where they're just wanting a blanket.

356
00:16:55,550 --> 00:16:56,630
50 feet.

357
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:57,710
Without.

358
00:16:57,790 --> 00:16:58,710
Any real?

359
00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,080
Discussion about.

360
00:17:02,090 --> 00:17:02,720
You know.

361
00:17:02,910 --> 00:17:04,310
To me, that's a huge impact.

362
00:17:05,030 --> 00:17:06,750
Yeah. So I'm just.

363
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:10,150
Curious if there's a way that we could look at it differently maybe?

364
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:13,910
That could take in some aspects of this.

365
00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,840
There can be.

366
00:17:17,910 --> 00:17:21,030
There is there was an idea at the time to have.

367
00:17:21,150 --> 00:17:22,150
The corridor.

368
00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:26,350
Buildings that were right up on Murray or on Holiday Blvd. Be higher.

369
00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:27,430
And then they'd step.

370
00:17:27,950 --> 00:17:31,710
You know, down as you get closer to the residential properties to the West.

371
00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:35,200
All of the residential properties that.

372
00:17:35,390 --> 00:17:36,750
To the West, except for.

373
00:17:36,910 --> 00:17:37,910
Couple of homes.

374
00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:41,470
Are in the room zone and they're large enough to have 40 foot heights.

375
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:45,990
So if we were talking about it, that change of five feet to 40.

376
00:17:46,350 --> 00:17:47,990
With some architectural review.

377
00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:50,130
That could.

378
00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:51,790
Potentially be a consideration.

379
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:54,870
I mean, to me, it's kind of difficult to kind of look at this.

380
00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:56,510
They're showing kind of a.

381
00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,960
Proposed project without showing the project.

382
00:18:01,390 --> 00:18:04,310
You know, just saying, hey, we're going to have all these really cool things.

383
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:07,230
But we need 50 feet.

384
00:18:07,630 --> 00:18:08,070
So.

385
00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:12,000
Again, I think what you're saying the 40 feet maybe?

386
00:18:12,110 --> 00:18:12,990
The appropriate.

387
00:18:13,070 --> 00:18:14,830
Number. Umm.

388
00:18:16,570 --> 00:18:18,640
I didn't get a good sense when I was looking through.

389
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:20,270
All of this.

390
00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:22,360
Just to be.

391
00:18:22,430 --> 00:18:23,550
Real clear on this.

392
00:18:23,670 --> 00:18:25,400
What's before us tonight?

393
00:18:26,580 --> 00:18:30,580
Is we want all of the holiday village to raise the 50 feet.

394
00:18:30,990 --> 00:18:33,110
That's the proposal period. There's no.

395
00:18:33,670 --> 00:18:35,710
Any like we can put whatever narrative.

396
00:18:35,910 --> 00:18:41,790
Stamp you want on it, but that's the the language and the amendment that's before us yeah, there's a highlighted.

397
00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:44,910
There's a map in your packet that's highlighted in yellow.

398
00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:48,070
That's the area that they're specifically asking.

399
00:18:48,790 --> 00:18:52,830
So it's not the whole village, it's just that corner of it. It would be difficult.

400
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:57,510
To approve 50 feet without considering the rest of the village as a whole.

401
00:18:59,870 --> 00:19:01,630
That highlighted area there.

402
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,040
So your your.

403
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:07,120
The figure of 13.71 point 3.

404
00:19:07,470 --> 00:19:09,110
In the code would be amended.

405
00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:11,390
To include that red highlighted area.

406
00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:12,710
As a.

407
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:14,640
Development.

408
00:19:15,910 --> 00:19:16,750
Aspect.

409
00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:19,870
Of the village that is allowed to 50 feet.

410
00:19:20,270 --> 00:19:21,230
50 foot heights.

411
00:19:21,390 --> 00:19:22,630
And Le Chapel.

412
00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:26,590
Currently is zoned at a Max of what was it 40.

413
00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:27,590
40.

414
00:19:27,710 --> 00:19:28,550
For their zone.

415
00:19:28,830 --> 00:19:29,710
Right, OK.

416
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:39,430
OK, I mean.

417
00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:42,870
John when I was reading it.

418
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:46,710
Somewhere in there and specifically said that.

419
00:19:46,830 --> 00:19:49,030
They wanted to measure the 50 feet.

420
00:19:49,790 --> 00:19:51,870
From the Holiday Blvd. side.

421
00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:56,960
Does that mean that it would be more than 50 feet at the other end, which is?

422
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:58,470
15 feet lower.

423
00:19:59,550 --> 00:20:00,510
Yes, OK.

424
00:20:00,710 --> 00:20:02,470
So effective.

425
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:03,910
Say it's 15 feet.

426
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:05,830
When I drive down to Walgreens.

427
00:20:05,950 --> 00:20:10,870
It seems like about 15 feet, so that would put it at 65 on the West.

428
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:12,750
Next to Angela Chappelle.

429
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:15,150
Yeah, potentially without looking at.

430
00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:16,960
Civil Grading.

431
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:19,030
Just in my mind's eye.

432
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:22,030
Picturing what that hillside looks like, at least 10 feet drop.

433
00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:25,120
So it would make a world of difference.

434
00:20:26,740 --> 00:20:27,320
If the.

435
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:30,270
If if it was 35 that holiday.

436
00:20:30,910 --> 00:20:32,830
It might be 50 at the back.

437
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:34,270
Which might give you.

438
00:20:34,590 --> 00:20:35,990
What you're talking about?

439
00:20:37,060 --> 00:20:37,500
Yeah.

440
00:20:39,390 --> 00:20:41,950
It's a good or bad idea. I'm just thinking that.

441
00:20:42,030 --> 00:20:43,230
I noticed when they.

442
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:46,590
Called out that they wanted that measure from Holiday Blvd.

443
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:47,590
That added.

444
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:49,990
A whole new dimension to.

445
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:51,430
How that holds?

446
00:20:51,670 --> 00:20:52,670
Block would be done.

447
00:20:54,340 --> 00:20:55,340
Yeah, currently.

448
00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:59,400
So for example, when you look at the Apollo Square building that was just constructed.

449
00:21:00,470 --> 00:21:02,750
All heights are measured from the abutting curve.

450
00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:08,600
So as that building goes down the street, you can see it on the uphill side, It's sunk into the ground.

451
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:09,470
Considerably. Umm.

452
00:21:09,550 --> 00:21:11,670
In order to get the West End to work.

453
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:12,710
Under the building.

454
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,200
So if a building.

455
00:21:16,550 --> 00:21:21,990
Being constructed here, we would be measuring height from the abutting curbside, which would be the Arbor Lane side.

456
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:25,510
The only other comment I had night.

457
00:21:25,870 --> 00:21:28,350
The earlier we probably say this, the better.

458
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:32,310
If the only issue in front of us is the height.

459
00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:34,390
I think the public ought.

460
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:38,750
To not be talking about anything else. I noticed I'm reading real quickly.

461
00:21:39,030 --> 00:21:43,510
The 12 emails we have everything from historic sites and.

462
00:21:43,950 --> 00:21:49,230
Polls and all kinds of things which multifamily yeah and that and.

463
00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:51,550
I would I would like to.

464
00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:53,310
Make sure that we keep.

465
00:21:54,350 --> 00:21:56,110
The focus of the.

466
00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:57,970
Public comment.

467
00:21:58,230 --> 00:22:00,150
On the only issue in front of us.

468
00:22:00,270 --> 00:22:00,910
The height.

469
00:22:02,810 --> 00:22:03,290
That is a.

470
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:09,470
Great call. Now, thank you, Commissioner. We'll make sure when it's time to open the public hearing, we reiterate that.

471
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:15,390
In addition to that, I think it's important that the public knows that it's for a recommendation.

472
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:16,950
The Council is the one that.

473
00:22:17,030 --> 00:22:18,550
Makes the modifications.

474
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:22,430
So what's before you is whether you want to make it positive or a negative.

475
00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:23,950
Or neutral recommendation.

476
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:25,830
To the City Council on the.

477
00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:26,870
On a change here.

478
00:22:28,370 --> 00:22:32,240
OK, both good suggestions. I've written them down. Thank you.

479
00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:37,190
All right. So that should be an interesting discussion. We have a couple more items, any other?

480
00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:40,350
Questions we need on this in the work session.

481
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:44,040
OK, so moving to item number 4.

482
00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:51,670
This is the text amendment for the arts and cultural land uses within the Holiday Village zone. Is this.

483
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:53,070
The same applicant.

484
00:22:53,820 --> 00:22:57,200
No. OK, this is a joint application.

485
00:22:57,390 --> 00:22:58,990
Between city of holiday.

486
00:22:59,510 --> 00:23:01,510
And a recent business owner.

487
00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:06,270
From what I understand, multiple business owners within the village.

488
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:08,230
In the village.

489
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:11,230
All storefronts.

490
00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:16,110
That are at the ground level on Holiday Blvd. and Murray Holiday Rd.

491
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:18,550
Required retail.

492
00:23:18,910 --> 00:23:19,310
Only.

493
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:22,750
And that was a point.

494
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:23,230
Of umm.

495
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:27,070
Concern with the City Council when the village was established.

496
00:23:27,570 --> 00:23:29,080
In 2005.

497
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:31,710
In order to preserve.

498
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:35,070
Commercial tax dollars because the the Cottonwood Mall was.

499
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:37,070
Stalled at that.

500
00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:43,200
So the requirement for land uses at the ground level within the village was retail.

501
00:23:44,740 --> 00:23:45,800
However, as.

502
00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:49,710
The time has time has gone by. There's a lot of other accessory uses that.

503
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:51,870
Business owners would like to entertain.

504
00:23:52,860 --> 00:23:54,480
That are off hours.

505
00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:56,480
Off peak service.

506
00:23:56,550 --> 00:23:58,590
You know that would maybe supplement also.

507
00:23:58,790 --> 00:24:00,230
Their retail businesses.

508
00:24:01,150 --> 00:24:06,310
And with recent events, a couple of business owners that.

509
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:08,590
Have moved into the village.

510
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:10,550
And some elements of.

511
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:13,190
Recitals our galleries.

512
00:24:13,870 --> 00:24:15,350
Things that can attract.

513
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:16,470
The public.

514
00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:18,550
For arts and culture type.

515
00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:19,910
Situations.

516
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:23,030
Would be beneficial for their property use.

517
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:26,030
Or their their retail business operations?

518
00:24:26,550 --> 00:24:27,950
And the city agrees.

519
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:31,550
That can be something that can could be accommodated so.

520
00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:33,590
What the city is proposing the.

521
00:24:33,670 --> 00:24:38,150
Planning Commission Look at Tonight is opening that topic for discussion.

522
00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:42,880
Staff has created a new land use category that.

523
00:24:42,990 --> 00:24:46,360
Property owners in the village can take advantage of as an accessory use.

524
00:24:46,910 --> 00:24:48,430
Which is this idea of?

525
00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:51,710
And arts and culture type of land use.

526
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:59,150
And that would include like similar land uses of, like I mentioned, art galleries and recitals and.

527
00:24:59,510 --> 00:25:02,350
Smaller gatherings that would be related to arts and culture.

528
00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:08,120
So just for tonight, staff is recommending you open the public comment period.

529
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:12,800
And continue the item for further discussion as we flush this idea out.

530
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:15,510
Can I ask you a question about that?

531
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:21,400
There is the music studio that's already there.

532
00:25:21,550 --> 00:25:23,150
Does that counties retail?

533
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:25,430
Like music lessons?

534
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:26,910
The Steinway.

535
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:28,590
No the umm.

536
00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:31,630
I'm thinking of the one right by the.

537
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:33,230
The one next to Relic.

538
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:34,030
Yes.

539
00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:37,160
Right, that would be similar to take advantage of.

540
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,240
Recite is when they have.

541
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:40,670
Those there, yes.

542
00:25:41,420 --> 00:25:45,240
And similarly, I think they would like to have our gallery in that space as well.

543
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:49,000
So we're going to.

544
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:51,030
Continue the public hearing.

545
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,840
As well then we're not closing that.

546
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:57,390
And this is just Step 1 is what I'm hearing.

547
00:25:57,510 --> 00:26:00,310
Yeah, Step 1. You know you'll hear. We'll have a.

548
00:26:00,510 --> 00:26:03,430
Maybe maybe a potential additional discussion with staff?

549
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:07,350
I have a couple of business owners that will be here to present their side of things.

550
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:08,910
And their point of view, but.

551
00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:11,070
Definitely open to continue it and then.

552
00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:14,040
We'll have more.

553
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:15,310
As we bring this.

554
00:26:15,870 --> 00:26:17,510
Closer to a vote.

555
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:18,550
More detail.

556
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:19,390
OK.

557
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:28,480
All right. Thank you. And the last item we have on here is another text amendment for the Holiday Hills.

558
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,080
Table of land uses.

559
00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:34,640
Yeah, that's me as well.

560
00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:39,110
We've been approached by the the property owner to add.

561
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:45,630
Professional services to the existing land use table in the Site Development Master Plan for the Royal Holiday Hills site.

562
00:26:46,670 --> 00:26:47,510
Similarly.

563
00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:51,830
That this professional services or I'm sorry, personal services.

564
00:26:52,150 --> 00:26:54,270
Land use was omitted from that.

565
00:26:54,910 --> 00:26:57,590
Land use table as far as business operations.

566
00:26:58,110 --> 00:27:03,910
Personal services, by definition, are similar to those that are salons, nail salons.

567
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:05,790
Anything that would be.

568
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,360
Service of.

569
00:27:08,550 --> 00:27:10,110
Therapy, that type of thing.

570
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,360
They're asking for that you used to be included in the table to accommodate new.

571
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:16,750
Tenants.

572
00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:21,090
Do we have public comment on that in the packet?

573
00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:22,750
Yes, OK.

574
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:28,790
Do you remember what the overall sentiment was? No, No written comment. There was no written comment on that. OK.

575
00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:33,220
Sorry, it would be open public comment for tonight.

576
00:27:34,350 --> 00:27:36,550
All right, questions on #5?

577
00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:37,870
Your city staff.

578
00:27:39,050 --> 00:27:40,880
All right with that.

579
00:27:41,070 --> 00:27:43,310
We will conclude the work session.

580
00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:47,070
And we will just take a very quick break before we start the.

581
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:47,950
Meeting them.

582
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:04,160
Chair really Glass before we end tonight.

583
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:06,230
We have.

584
00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:10,630
A small presentation we'd like to give to Commissioner Font.

585
00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:13,870
As her being her her last meeting with us tonight.

586
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:17,150
So if you want to wait for just a few minutes after.

587
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:19,360
That before we adjourn, we can do that.

588
00:28:19,630 --> 00:28:21,430
OK, fantastic.

589
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:27,690
Unless you want to do it first and include everybody here in that celebration.

590
00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:40,130
All right.

591
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,280
Let's play some quick musical chairs here. Commissioner Prince will not be joining us.

592
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,160
She's great. She's on a golf course.

593
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,440
Like if you got to be somewhere else.

594
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:19,390
That's not fair.

595
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,080
Appreciation should be assessed by.

596
00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:25,870
I mean, I've applied that. That's where I was 2 days ago.

597
00:29:29,710 --> 00:29:30,390
Right.

598
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:32,790
That's fair, all right.

599
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:34,390
Get you on the selfie here.

600
00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:48,740
Maybe a four stroke penalty.

601
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,960
All right, we'll quit playing around. We ready.

602
00:30:00,930 --> 00:30:01,490
OK.

603
00:30:04,090 --> 00:30:10,570
All right, Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission, Tuesday, June 16th. It is 6:02 PM.

604
00:30:11,390 --> 00:30:12,270
Tonight we have.

605
00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:16,030
Five items on the agenda and we.

606
00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:19,510
Have all commissioners except Commissioner Prince in attendance?

607
00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:21,910
Three members of city Staffs.

608
00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:25,640
And Council present to keep us on the right track here.

609
00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:30,830
And I have asked Commissioner Font if she would read the opening statement for us.

610
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,380
The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board whose function is to review land use plans and other special

611
00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:40,560
studies.

612
00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:46,230
Make recommendations to the City Council on proposed zoning map and ordinance changes.

613
00:30:46,510 --> 00:30:49,910
And approve conditional uses and subdivisions.

614
00:30:50,150 --> 00:30:54,190
The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications.

615
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:57,360
Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted.

616
00:30:57,990 --> 00:31:02,760
Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings.

617
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:06,840
Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda.

618
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:14,310
Where the location, the nature of the neighborhood, existing structures and uses related to the proposed change are noted.

619
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:20,190
Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the professional planning staff.

620
00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:22,470
The city's general plan.

621
00:31:22,550 --> 00:31:24,750
Zoning ordinance and other reports.

622
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:27,550
By all verbal and written comments.

623
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:29,630
And by evidence submitted.

624
00:31:29,790 --> 00:31:32,110
All of which are part of the public record.

625
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,680
Thank you very much, Commissioner, appreciate that.

626
00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:41,060
And with that.

627
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:44,670
We will roll into our first item tonight.

628
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:49,320
Public hearing was closed in the last meeting.

629
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:50,550
But there was.

630
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:52,190
A continuance.

631
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:56,790
And if city staff just wants to give a quick recap on that for us?

632
00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:59,510
And then we can invite the applicant up to.

633
00:31:59,590 --> 00:32:00,230
Address.

634
00:32:00,310 --> 00:32:00,950
Anything. Umm.

635
00:32:01,270 --> 00:32:02,590
Thank you, Chair Roach.

636
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:09,870
The staff is in receipt of a couple of items that the Planning Commission requested the the applicant to return.

637
00:32:10,110 --> 00:32:11,190
To this meeting too.

638
00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:14,310
Specifically looking for.

639
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:16,630
Compliance standards and.

640
00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:21,680
For dimensions of emergency fire lane access.

641
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:24,930
Away from the beautiful harmony of.

642
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:26,270
The heavens of harps.

643
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:37,150
The Unified Fire Authority and the State Fire Marshall has worked with the applicant to come with a determination that they.

644
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:39,110
They can both agree on.

645
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:41,510
And the TRC has recommended that.

646
00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:44,110
That be reviewed as part of the packet.

647
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:46,870
The second item was to include some.

648
00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:50,390
A long term parking agreement, off site parking agreement for.

649
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:54,800
15 stalls the applicant has been closely engaged with.

650
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:58,070
The LDS Church across the street and then the Senior Center.

651
00:32:58,150 --> 00:32:59,870
Which is across the street and further.

652
00:33:00,310 --> 00:33:01,190
Further east.

653
00:33:02,430 --> 00:33:05,750
The staff has seen those draft agreements and.

654
00:33:05,910 --> 00:33:06,870
Can verify that.

655
00:33:07,790 --> 00:33:10,310
Those are can be executed.

656
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:12,590
According to the Planning Commission's requirements.

657
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,960
Staff has provided some recommendations in your packet, which also includes.

658
00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:22,070
An approval letter dated from 2016.

659
00:33:22,550 --> 00:33:25,560
All conditions of which still should remain in place.

660
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:30,590
And also including those that are in the the recommendation as far as.

661
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:32,550
Stream bank protection.

662
00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:33,390
And uh.

663
00:33:33,870 --> 00:33:35,590
Maintaining the parking stalls.

664
00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:38,990
As well as an agreement for code modification for.

665
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:41,830
For the emergency driveway behind the back of the building.

666
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,320
The applicant is going to be will be expected to continue this conversation with.

667
00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:50,600
The state and county on other issues.

668
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:53,390
But as far as the city of holiday is concerned?

669
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:55,510
TRC has been able to review what?

670
00:33:55,670 --> 00:33:56,630
We can.

671
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:59,070
As far as our statutory compliance.

672
00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:02,360
OK, Commissioners, any?

673
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:03,430
Questions for staff.

674
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360
And do we want to invite the applicant back up?

675
00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:12,230
To adding additional information to that if they're here tonight.

676
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:20,190
Sorry, I'll speak up a little bit better.

677
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:26,660
Hi, I'm Ricky. Excuse me, Ricky Parkinson with backup design representing.

678
00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:31,880
I'm not sure that the microphones on. Is there a little button on the side there?

679
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:34,920
Is that on now? Oh, you got it. Nailed it.

680
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:39,040
My name is Ricky Parkinson with Babcock Design representing the school.

681
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:44,830
I've been the one working closely with Jonathan to to resolve all the concerns and and as he's has mentioned, we've.

682
00:34:45,650 --> 00:34:48,210
We, you know, have worked to resolve all the concerns.

683
00:34:48,870 --> 00:34:51,870
Couple things still outstanding with the with the flood control that.

684
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:55,750
We are near resolving. We're just waiting for a final approval on on what we've sent, but.

685
00:34:55,830 --> 00:34:59,190
We have, yeah. We feel like we're we're in compliance and we're excited to.

686
00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:00,030
To be able to.

687
00:35:00,150 --> 00:35:01,350
Get approval to move forward.

688
00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:04,390
All right, if there's any other questions, I'd be happy to address them.

689
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:06,350
Questions for the applicant.

690
00:35:06,670 --> 00:35:10,470
Just a quick clarification. I think last time there was a concern about the road being narrow.

691
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:12,470
And it looks like the.

692
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:13,790
Fire marshals.

693
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:18,790
Letter does confirm the 26 foot width. That's including. My understanding is that's because the curb sort of rolls. It's not a

694
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:22,830
straight curb and that includes the.

695
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:24,920
The space all the way up to the building, is that right?

696
00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:27,470
Correct. In one section there's there's about.

697
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:33,530
A 10 foot section that that's true. He only needed a 2016. He didn't need 26 feet all the way around. They only needed it where

698
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:39,110
they would park their vehicle, which would be kind of in that southwest corner. So there is a portion of it where it.

699
00:35:39,870 --> 00:35:41,310
Starts to roll up, so it would be.

700
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:42,310
Yeah, just.

701
00:35:42,670 --> 00:35:44,150
Just kind of.

702
00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:47,190
Northwest of where the crosswalk is.

703
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:48,670
It would park further up.

704
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:49,910
Got it. OK.

705
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:51,110
Thank you. Perfect.

706
00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:53,710
All right. Any other questions for the applicant?

707
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:56,070
Great. We'll go ahead and have you sit down. Thank you.

708
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:56,990
And uh.

709
00:35:57,350 --> 00:36:00,910
Commissioners, we went over this in the work meeting. I think staff's done a great job of.

710
00:36:01,830 --> 00:36:06,070
Answering all the questions we had from the prior meeting, and unless there's any other discussion needed, I am more than happy to

711
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:10,310
entertain any motions that might be made at this time.

712
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,560
I'd be happy to make a motion.

713
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:20,800
And this is Commissioner Cunningham and I move for the approval of the site plan amendments to Wasatch Waldorf.

714
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:25,150
Charter school located at 1458 E Murray Holiday Rd.

715
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:27,470
Within the P zone finding.

716
00:36:27,590 --> 00:36:29,710
That the proposal won as.

717
00:36:30,110 --> 00:36:35,670
Received approval and has received approvals from the state and local fire Marshall's offices.

718
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:39,990
Two additional off site parking has been arranged in long term agreement.

719
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:43,030
With the adjacent property owner.

720
00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:46,830
Three new building addition is located with permissible setbacks.

721
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:48,750
Building area of the P zone.

722
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:54,590
And with the following suggested subjective conditions as allowed by state code annotated.

723
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:56,070
1020.

724
00:36:56,350 --> 00:36:59,310
The 04 sub 2 sub B.

725
00:37:00,110 --> 00:37:06,270
The one amendment does not replace or alter conditions set forth in the original approval letter.

726
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:09,390
Dated 218 of 2016.

727
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:12,870
File #16-9-01.

728
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:16,030
Two offsite parking agreements shall be maintained.

729
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:19,630
Further alterations to parking or traffic circulation.

730
00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:22,590
May require Planning Commission preview review.

731
00:37:23,070 --> 00:37:24,750
Three, the original.

732
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:27,270
Traffic control plans will be maintained.

733
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:30,590
And strictly adhered to assure safety for both.

734
00:37:31,110 --> 00:37:36,030
Pedestrians and general public at this location as it relates to the operation of all.

735
00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:38,950
School activities this includes limited.

736
00:37:39,350 --> 00:37:40,670
Turn left.

737
00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:42,350
Exiting movements.

738
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:47,510
No parking, standing or drop off or pickup or students on either side of Murray Holiday Rd.

739
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:49,230
And facility.

740
00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:51,870
Faculty directing traffic both.

741
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:54,110
Along the circulation Rd.

742
00:37:54,350 --> 00:37:58,630
And drop our points and out the ingress and egress opening, et cetera.

743
00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:03,150
If this plan does not yield the necessary safety or efficiency.

744
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:10,510
The city, as allowed by state law and for the safety and common good of the general public and the school, will require submittal.

745
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:15,840
Of an amended operational plan that will be considered an appearance before the Planning Commission.

746
00:38:16,270 --> 00:38:21,350
And five, the Creek bank and immediate area must be preserved free from damage.

747
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:23,270
To embankments and trees.

748
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:27,160
All right, we have a motion. Do we have a second?

749
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:27,910
I second.

750
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:29,270
Commissioner.

751
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:33,150
Gone has seconded. We'll call for a vote. Commissioner Cunningham. Aye. Commissioner Trippin.

752
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:35,630
Aye, Commissioner, Flaunt. Aye, Commissioner, gom aye.

753
00:38:35,950 --> 00:38:36,720
Commissioner Barron.

754
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:39,030
Aye and Chair Roach both Aye and.

755
00:38:39,310 --> 00:38:40,590
That will move forward.

756
00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:42,640
Thank you. Thank you.

757
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:51,560
All right. And with that, we will now move to the second item, which is the zone map amendment from 1:21 to P.

758
00:38:52,510 --> 00:38:53,990
On memory lane.

759
00:38:54,110 --> 00:38:57,110
And if city staff will walk us through that, that would be great.

760
00:38:57,950 --> 00:39:01,430
All right. I appreciate this opportunity, Chair.

761
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:03,070
So this is city.

762
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:04,470
Justice.

763
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:05,750
City Planner.

764
00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:09,270
I'm handling this case so this is a.

765
00:39:09,790 --> 00:39:11,950
Proposed amendment to the zone map.

766
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:16,310
The subject property is located at 4901 S.

767
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:17,590
Memory lane.

768
00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:22,910
This property is just north of the cemetery, Holiday Memorial Cemetery.

769
00:39:23,950 --> 00:39:27,750
The size of this property is approximately 2.4 acres.

770
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:30,710
The property is currently owned by.

771
00:39:30,830 --> 00:39:32,750
Holiday Memorial Cemetery.

772
00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:35,750
And the applicant is proposing to rezone.

773
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:38,030
In its current designation from.

774
00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:40,270
R121 which essentially.

775
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:42,910
Means single family residential zone.

776
00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:44,630
To public zone.

777
00:39:44,830 --> 00:39:46,950
And the intent here is to.

778
00:39:47,470 --> 00:39:48,470
Enable them.

779
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:50,710
To be able to expand the cemetery.

780
00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:55,150
In the narrative for the applicant, they indicated that the cemetery.

781
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:57,310
Is currently facing constraints.

782
00:39:57,870 --> 00:40:00,430
In terms of availability of land for.

783
00:40:00,590 --> 00:40:01,190
Them to.

784
00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:05,190
Proceed with the current services that they offer.

785
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:06,950
The holiday community.

786
00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:12,030
So the rezone is intended to help them expand this service.

787
00:40:12,350 --> 00:40:13,310
To the community.

788
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:17,270
Now you will find in the staff report or in the packet that.

789
00:40:17,350 --> 00:40:20,110
Staff did some analysis, waiting.

790
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:22,950
Whether this rezone advances?

791
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:28,310
The purpose of the general plan as well as advance the public interest.

792
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:30,510
And also the future development in that.

793
00:40:30,750 --> 00:40:32,070
Area and then.

794
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:33,670
Finally.

795
00:40:34,110 --> 00:40:35,590
The last analysis was.

796
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:36,990
To establish whether there's.

797
00:40:37,470 --> 00:40:39,350
Rezone is actually necessary.

798
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:40,550
In order for them to.

799
00:40:41,550 --> 00:40:42,870
Proceed with what they're.

800
00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:43,870
They want to do.

801
00:40:44,380 --> 00:40:46,220
Staff These 4.

802
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:49,020
Element of the analysis and.

803
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:50,820
City staff believes that.

804
00:40:51,620 --> 00:40:55,140
This proposed rezone advances all these four elements that.

805
00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:57,100
I'm talking about.

806
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:57,870
And.

807
00:40:58,020 --> 00:40:59,500
Positive recommendation.

808
00:40:59,580 --> 00:41:02,300
Was moved forward by city staff.

809
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:05,140
So I'm open to any questions or.

810
00:41:05,260 --> 00:41:06,860
Clarifications that I needed.

811
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:08,740
Mr. Bear.

812
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:10,220
I was wondering about.

813
00:41:10,620 --> 00:41:13,350
If they build any buildings on this new property.

814
00:41:13,820 --> 00:41:16,300
What are the setbacks that would be required?

815
00:41:16,740 --> 00:41:18,860
Or is that just the site plan review that?

816
00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:20,580
Planning Commission looks at.

817
00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:21,980
And determines.

818
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,150
Can you tell me roughly what?

819
00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:27,060
The set back.

820
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:28,060
A building would be.

821
00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:31,460
So, John.

822
00:41:32,180 --> 00:41:37,420
The development standards in in the P zone they they are established.

823
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:39,580
John, are you opening that up?

824
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:42,380
So John should be able to verify that.

825
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:43,100
But.

826
00:41:43,780 --> 00:41:44,940
I'm just wondering if there's a.

827
00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:47,980
Degree that it can move back and forth based on.

828
00:41:48,620 --> 00:41:50,140
Site plan. Landscaping.

829
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:51,500
Parking.

830
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,350
And just to be fair to the people who are.

831
00:41:55,570 --> 00:41:59,330
This are going to live next to this. I don't mean to say it like that.

832
00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:01,340
But you know.

833
00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:02,870
Just so they have a little bit of.

834
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:03,780
Protection or.

835
00:42:04,340 --> 00:42:05,980
Certainty of what could be.

836
00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:07,620
Expected in the future.

837
00:42:08,740 --> 00:42:09,980
And from what you were saying?

838
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:12,260
John, maybe this doesn't have any.

839
00:42:12,340 --> 00:42:13,740
New construction just.

840
00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:15,740
Burial plots but.

841
00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:17,820
It's possible. I haven't heard of what the.

842
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:19,540
Any buildings?

843
00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:20,540
That would be.

844
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:21,420
Proposed.

845
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,140
I can give you the setbacks.

846
00:42:24,220 --> 00:42:27,900
That are required within the P zone, however, through the site plan process.

847
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:30,540
And those elements can be.

848
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:34,660
Massaged based upon public comment or anything? OK, so it does we.

849
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:38,260
Would we see the site plan or Zedge staff OK you would.

850
00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:41,540
So we that gives that property on a little bit of certainty of.

851
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:43,670
Making sure that we've.

852
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:45,020
Looked at that too SO.

853
00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:45,950
So thank you.

854
00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:48,900
Yeah. And just in line with that question.

855
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:56,830
As far as building and building heights, setbacks, et cetera. But what qualifies as a building, for example?

856
00:42:57,180 --> 00:43:00,260
Could they put a mausoleum in there without a site plan?

857
00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:02,900
No, or like a small.

858
00:43:03,260 --> 00:43:05,300
Crypt or you know any of those?

859
00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:07,060
Above ground structures.

860
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:10,620
Anything that the building code would consider a structure you would be reviewing.

861
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:12,340
OK. All right.

862
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:14,140
Thank you for that clarification.

863
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:16,940
Any other questions for city staff on this?

864
00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:21,460
All right, with that, we'll invite the applicant up if they have anything they want to add.

865
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,510
Good evening.

866
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:30,540
How are you?

867
00:43:31,530 --> 00:43:39,310
It's good to be here, I think, to answer those questions. The purpose of this is not to immediately develop.

868
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,870
The immediate need is to secure the future.

869
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:47,820
And to bring land that's adjacent and secure that for operations.

870
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:51,060
We have no median intent to develop it.

871
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:54,180
Current structures on the parcel now.

872
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:56,300
Are the Voda homestead.

873
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:58,430
Which is the original home.

874
00:43:58,540 --> 00:44:01,420
Which we intend to office out of.

875
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:06,420
And then there is a very historic 2 level barn about.

876
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:08,180
25 foot off.

877
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:09,470
The East.

878
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:11,100
Parceled by the canal.

879
00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:16,870
And our intent is to keep that in place and integrate that into our community events.

880
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:24,460
We are big on involving the community and making sure that the Memorial Park is viewed as a park.

881
00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:28,190
That it is viewed as a value add to the community.

882
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:30,860
We do a minimum of eight.

883
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:32,220
Community events.

884
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:34,820
Where we invite the community into the park.

885
00:44:35,380 --> 00:44:38,380
This particular park is heavily walked.

886
00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:44,310
A lot of strollers, a lot of dogs, a lot of Sunday and Saturday morning.

887
00:44:46,060 --> 00:44:47,940
So that's really the.

888
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,620
Purpose of this is not to go vertical.

889
00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:52,940
It's more of a secure.

890
00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:54,260
Let's go through.

891
00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:56,540
The zone change now so that.

892
00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:58,540
As that need develops.

893
00:44:59,060 --> 00:45:01,180
We've already gone through the process.

894
00:45:01,420 --> 00:45:02,740
That's really our intent.

895
00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:04,980
We are big.

896
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:10,380
This cemetery will turn 178 years this September.

897
00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:13,180
Wow, I think that is an incredible.

898
00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:15,300
Asset to the City of Holiday.

899
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:16,020
That is.

900
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:16,900
Often.

901
00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:18,060
Overlooked.

902
00:45:19,110 --> 00:45:22,110
We are the 5th owner of this land.

903
00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:24,660
If you go back in history.

904
00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:27,220
This cemetery historically.

905
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:32,380
Has added acreage to it as it's developed based out of need.

906
00:45:32,740 --> 00:45:34,060
So that precedent is.

907
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:36,620
Present the Britton family.

908
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:38,620
Access the cemetery.

909
00:45:38,740 --> 00:45:40,420
Donated the land.

910
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:44,980
To what is now Memory lane to access it off Murray Holiday Rd.

911
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:49,430
And just as early as 50 years ago.

912
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:51,860
The hearses would have to park.

913
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:57,060
And then the pallbearers would have to carry the caskets because the hearse had no Rd.

914
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:58,540
To venture on.

915
00:45:59,330 --> 00:46:01,070
And so this is just.

916
00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:02,060
Evolution.

917
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:07,380
And so we want to be very proactive, we want to be very transparent.

918
00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:09,580
In regards to the needs.

919
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:14,380
We have the privilege to care for about 150 families annually.

920
00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:17,180
At this particular Memorial Park.

921
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:22,430
The land that we have now, we have about 10 to 11 years.

922
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,830
And so with this addition and this proposed change.

923
00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:31,500
That goes from 10:50 years to 40 years.

924
00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:35,020
And our intent is involving the city with the.

925
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:35,860
Plans.

926
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:39,260
Making sure the community is fully informed.

927
00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:43,300
As we move and develop this parcel, but honestly.

928
00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:45,580
We you won't hear for that.

929
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:47,180
In the next 10 years.

930
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:49,940
The whole point is to secure it now.

931
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:51,500
The change?

932
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:54,860
Thank you. So any additional questions on any of that?

933
00:46:54,940 --> 00:46:56,420
That's really our purpose.

934
00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:58,180
Questions for the applicant.

935
00:46:59,380 --> 00:47:00,740
All right. Well, OK. Thank you.

936
00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:04,430
All right. And this is a public hearing.

937
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:12,350
So members of the public are allowed to come in and speak specifically to the zone change, which is the proposal tonight.

938
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:13,900
If you do choose to.

939
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:17,460
Speak or make public comment, we ask that you come up to the podium.

940
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:21,230
Clearly speak your name and address into the microphone.

941
00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:24,820
Please address the Commission, not members of the audience or the applicant.

942
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:26,580
And you are?

943
00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:27,740
We ask that you.

944
00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:29,020
Make comment.

945
00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:31,580
3 minutes or less and don't reiterate.

946
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:35,430
Points that have already been made by anyone that went before you.

947
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:39,980
And with that, if there's anyone which that wishes to make public comment on this item tonight.

948
00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:41,300
We invite you to do so now.

949
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:46,060
Once. Twice.

950
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:50,380
All right. With that, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing then.

951
00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:52,660
And commissioners.

952
00:47:54,140 --> 00:48:00,430
I mean, it seems pretty straightforward. Makes sense to me. Like, you know there's only two directions out or up, right?

953
00:48:00,980 --> 00:48:03,140
And up doesn't really work for very long.

954
00:48:03,540 --> 00:48:04,180
So.

955
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:06,640
That said.

956
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:10,990
What findings?

957
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:13,180
Would we include in this motion?

958
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:15,150
Paragraph above.

959
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:19,850
All the TRC recommendations.

960
00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:21,300
Yeah, you can call it.

961
00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:24,540
OK, so.

962
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:26,220
This is Commissioner Font.

963
00:48:26,740 --> 00:48:28,020
I motion to.

964
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:33,460
Forward a recommendation to City Council to approve the application by Jordan Buckner.

965
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:37,940
To amend the City of Holiday zoning map for 2.3 acres of land.

966
00:48:38,140 --> 00:48:41,900
Located at 4901 S Memory Lane from.

967
00:48:42,060 --> 00:48:45,180
The R121 zone to the P zone.

968
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:47,580
Based upon the findings.

969
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:50,620
Stated in the packet on page 8.

970
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:52,740
As noted.

971
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:55,180
By the TRC recommendations.

972
00:48:56,910 --> 00:48:57,710
I second that.

973
00:48:57,820 --> 00:48:59,180
Commissioner Baron Seconds.

974
00:48:59,380 --> 00:49:01,540
We will call for a vote, Commissioner Cunningham.

975
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:06,140
Aye, Mr. Trippin, Aye, Mr. Flaunt. Aye, Commissioner, gone. Aye, Commissioner Barron.

976
00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:11,460
Aye. And Chair Roach votes aye. So with that, that will move forward with the forward recommendation. Thank you very much.

977
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,080
All right.

978
00:49:17,250 --> 00:49:23,350
And now we move to item number 3, the Holiday Village building height standards.

979
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:25,260
Text amendment.

980
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:28,300
And we will ask city staff to.

981
00:49:29,460 --> 00:49:30,580
Once again, give us a.

982
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:32,340
Breakdown of what's being.

983
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:33,580
Asked for in this.

984
00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:34,260
Thank you.

985
00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:40,220
Application to the city tonight is a request to amend the standards.

986
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:41,540
For building height.

987
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:43,500
In the holiday village zone.

988
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:50,800
The application has come to the TRC for review of completeness and has determined that.

989
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:56,940
Based upon what's been provided by the applicant, the Planning Commission hearing can take place.

990
00:49:57,060 --> 00:49:58,780
To review this legislative matter.

991
00:49:59,380 --> 00:50:01,460
Planning Commission has requested to review.

992
00:50:01,860 --> 00:50:04,380
The application based upon the merits of the.

993
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:05,980
The application of itself.

994
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:08,820
And the narrative that's been provided.

995
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:10,380
Also holding a.

996
00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:12,580
Interaction with the public.

997
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:14,060
And the applicant.

998
00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:17,140
Staff report has been provided.

999
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:21,550
To the Planning Commission to give some background as far as building heights in the village.

1000
00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:24,180
How they've come to play to.

1001
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:25,900
To fruition over the past.

1002
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:28,020
15 years or so.

1003
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:31,140
And then also provide a recommendation there.

1004
00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:32,140
Is.

1005
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:39,060
Specifically, some elements in your staff report. They're provided from the applicant that show.

1006
00:50:39,860 --> 00:50:41,580
Some concepts of development.

1007
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:46,380
Just to remind the Planning Commission that this is not what you would.

1008
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,300
Normally see as a site plan or a development review.

1009
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,590
This is a law change.

1010
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:53,940
This is not reviewing.

1011
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:58,460
Elements of the development itself as far as placement of buildings, driveways.

1012
00:50:58,780 --> 00:50:59,500
Parking.

1013
00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:01,660
Traffic, that type of thing.

1014
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:04,100
But as the applicant goes through.

1015
00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:07,020
The exercises to create that site plan.

1016
00:51:08,020 --> 00:51:12,630
They're discovering some concerns with the existing standards for building height.

1017
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:14,660
And they're requesting the Planning Commission.

1018
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:20,060
For recommendation and consequently the City Council for final determination on changing that law.

1019
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:24,700
And to clarify on that that.

1020
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:29,870
Not for the entire zone, but only this one specific area within the zone.

1021
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:34,750
The way that the application has been provided is for this highlighted section of the village.

1022
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:36,740
I'm looking at the motion.

1023
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:38,950
And it doesn't include the address, so.

1024
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:43,720
Would we need to include that to make sure there's no confusion? I would highlight it as you know the address, but highlighted as

1025
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:48,380
as provided in the Planning Commission packet. Yes. OK. Yeah, OK.

1026
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,720
So the approximately 4714 S.

1027
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:54,420
Sure.

1028
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:57,260
You can be in specific.

1029
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:00,020
If you Scroll down.

1030
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:05,540
Carrie, just to there is an actual code amendment which happens to be an illustration.

1031
00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:10,180
Normally when you see code amendments, you'll see the staff strike through.

1032
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:12,220
Text or underline new text.

1033
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:17,100
Because the code that's being requested to be changed, is it graphic?

1034
00:52:17,740 --> 00:52:21,060
That would be the graphic that you'd be using as a recommendation.

1035
00:52:21,460 --> 00:52:23,740
And it follows this section so.

1036
00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:26,620
This is the image.

1037
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:28,380
13.71.

1038
00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:31,460
.3 That's in the code that shows required heights.

1039
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:39,500
The shaded and hatched areas are kind of hard to see, but the red is the highlighted that's being proposed as as being amended.

1040
00:52:40,860 --> 00:52:42,140
That would be your text amendment.

1041
00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:46,340
Other questions for city staff.

1042
00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:47,420
I'm just curious.

1043
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:49,860
How often has staff used?

1044
00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:51,830
Site planning and.

1045
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:54,260
Context to determine heights to.

1046
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:57,580
Make sure there's an appropriateness to adjacent.

1047
00:52:57,780 --> 00:53:00,500
Single family, multifamily residential.

1048
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:02,180
Or retail.

1049
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:03,380
To make.

1050
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:06,530
It doesn't, so this doesn't appear like it's just.

1051
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:08,350
Suddenly.

1052
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:12,790
Way too large for this piece of property.

1053
00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:15,380
Not on the site by site basis, no.

1054
00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:18,060
OK, we only use what's been provided.

1055
00:53:18,380 --> 00:53:20,430
For example, in that image showing.

1056
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:26,790
You can see on the exterior areas of the village where it tapers down as you get closer to residential properties.

1057
00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:31,550
That was the standard that the Council at the time was comfortable with.

1058
00:53:32,020 --> 00:53:35,340
Otherwise you'd be looking at the like, and I'm going to use the term that many will probably not be familiar with, form based

1059
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:38,660
zoning.

1060
00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:40,660
Where you would have.

1061
00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:43,460
A tiered session of was sort of a wedding cake.

1062
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:45,500
Scenario in order to.

1063
00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:50,660
Curtailed some impacts of height when you're next to.

1064
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,150
Adjacent properties or budding properties that are maybe incompatible.

1065
00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:58,700
But don't have anything like that right now in the OK.

1066
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,040
Other questions for city staff.

1067
00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:07,990
All right, with that, let's invite the applicant up for.

1068
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:09,900
Further discussion on this.

1069
00:54:14,370 --> 00:54:18,310
My name is Josh Romney. I'm the applicant. I appreciate your time tonight and the opportunity to present to you.

1070
00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:20,180
So just.

1071
00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:21,340
Historical.

1072
00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:24,220
Context to what's going on here the the Walgreens site.

1073
00:54:24,620 --> 00:54:26,020
Believe it or not, has a lease.

1074
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:27,830
That's signed from 1974.

1075
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:29,220
So it's an old laser under.

1076
00:54:29,420 --> 00:54:32,820
Still operating on that existing lease, so they're not paying a lot of rent, so.

1077
00:54:33,540 --> 00:54:35,950
Their lease expires in about three years.

1078
00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:41,590
So the likelihood of Walgreens being there is close to 0 for the, you know, the future owner, hopefully.

1079
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:42,660
Will be us.

1080
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:47,020
But you know, their lease is just such an old lease and the building would take.

1081
00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:50,220
Such massive upgrades to actually bring it up to code and have to.

1082
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:52,260
Current Walgreens standards, I think there's.

1083
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:54,220
Really almost no scenario where that.

1084
00:54:54,380 --> 00:54:56,740
That building or that existing useful stay.

1085
00:54:57,220 --> 00:55:00,220
If any of you have been there recently, may have seen in the summer times they have.

1086
00:55:00,380 --> 00:55:01,820
Swamp coolers going and.

1087
00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:02,940
You know, kind of.

1088
00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:06,550
Barely it's it's Scotch shaped and band aided together so.

1089
00:55:06,940 --> 00:55:09,020
That site is is going to have to be.

1090
00:55:09,460 --> 00:55:10,780
Revamped one way or the other.

1091
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:11,540
We've been.

1092
00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:16,700
I've been trying to work with the developer or the owner of this site for a long time to try and tie it up.

1093
00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:19,540
And finally was able to do so.

1094
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:20,700
We.

1095
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:27,500
I look at the city. Holiday is one of the jewels of Utah. This is, I think, the nicest city.

1096
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:28,420
In Utah.

1097
00:55:28,860 --> 00:55:29,860
And I think.

1098
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:32,780
A place that a lot of people want to come to, to retire.

1099
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:36,660
A lot of people want to be in holiday. They don't necessarily want to be downtown Salt Lake.

1100
00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:38,340
They may not want to be Park City.

1101
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:41,380
They look at holiday as a Salt Lake County.

1102
00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:44,100
Address. That is one of I think the most.

1103
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:47,900
Valuable and prominent places to be in Utah so.

1104
00:55:47,980 --> 00:55:50,060
The idea here is to build.

1105
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:54,180
A community and housing that would be very high end.

1106
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:59,940
That would be that would cater to people who are looking to downsize out of a home in holiday from.

1107
00:56:00,140 --> 00:56:02,340
You know, potentially a large multi acre.

1108
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:03,340
Large home.

1109
00:56:03,580 --> 00:56:05,230
To something that would be a smaller with.

1110
00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:10,220
Literally no yard, no maintenance so people could stay in their in their town that they love.

1111
00:56:10,580 --> 00:56:17,060
And still have a really high quality home. So that's kind of the vision we'd have commercial on the main floor restaurants.

1112
00:56:17,740 --> 00:56:21,980
Doctor's offices, those types of things. Hopefully a small pharmacy Walgreens actually does have.

1113
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:23,420
A5 to 10,000.

1114
00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:24,860
Floor Grant.

1115
00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:27,020
Unit that they're that they're.

1116
00:56:27,140 --> 00:56:29,110
Putting in all over the place now, they're kind of.

1117
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:31,020
Walking away from the bigger.

1118
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:34,700
Buildings that they have and looking at much smaller units.

1119
00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:37,480
So potentially they could be a tenant. We haven't talked about that, but so I don't, I don't know, but that's the type of tenant

1120
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,180
we'd see in here.

1121
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:43,260
And you know, part of the challenge we have.

1122
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:44,780
With a 35 foot.

1123
00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:47,300
Ceiling and we talked about.

1124
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:51,245
You know, residential being next door, residential is 35 feet as well. So there's really no difference between this commercial and

1125
00:56:51,245 --> 00:56:55,110
residential side by side.

1126
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:59,025
35 feet would allow us to have parking that we would not have to go underground with if we have to go underground and dig into the

1127
00:56:59,025 --> 00:57:02,350
parking.

1128
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:04,300
We actually have pretty significant.

1129
00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:06,420
We have significant.

1130
00:57:06,580 --> 00:57:09,100
Impact from the dry cleaner and.

1131
00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:13,660
The auto that's next door where they've the soils are relatively contaminated.

1132
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:16,460
At this point, if we just.

1133
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:19,660
If we don't go underground, we can just put a barrier down.

1134
00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:21,260
A heavy barrier.

1135
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:23,220
And that would not.

1136
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:26,220
That would be all we have to do to remediate the soils that are there.

1137
00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:28,540
When we start to go under underground, that would.

1138
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:31,340
Actually significantly add to the potential cost there, so.

1139
00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:33,220
As we look at putting on.

1140
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:35,780
On level parking and the building above that.

1141
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:37,860
That that actually.

1142
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:41,580
You know that it really limits on what we could do in terms of increasing so.

1143
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:46,220
We think the 15 foot difference between the residential is next door and the commercials, right?

1144
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:48,020
Right here is actually pretty minimal.

1145
00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:52,180
It's not a real big difference. It's nothing like what you're seeing in Mill Creek downtown.

1146
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:55,380
When the buildings do driving around here are seventy 8090 feet tall.

1147
00:57:55,540 --> 00:57:59,860
Sees are really tall buildings. It would be nothing like that. This is, you know, four story building including the parking. So

1148
00:57:59,860 --> 00:58:04,180
really three stories above grade, above parking is what you'd end up getting.

1149
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:07,300
Most likely with with 50 feet so.

1150
00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:08,500
Not a huge.

1151
00:58:08,540 --> 00:58:11,245
Difference, I think that what's happening on the residential next door in addition, if you kind of think about what's happening at

1152
00:58:11,245 --> 00:58:13,950
the street level.

1153
00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:18,420
The back of that lot, if you go all the way down the bottom of that lot, it drops 18 feet.

1154
00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:20,220
So you're looking at the street level?

1155
00:58:20,380 --> 00:58:21,900
You almost wouldn't see.

1156
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:24,540
Any difference in height between what's happening the street?

1157
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:26,180
I'm down to our property so.

1158
00:58:26,620 --> 00:58:28,260
So really in fact.

1159
00:58:28,380 --> 00:58:29,660
Some areas be lower.

1160
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:33,620
And you know, I think we're also willing to kind of work with the neighbors obviously next door. So if we do have it would come

1161
00:58:33,620 --> 00:58:36,540
against the the housing.

1162
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:38,580
That's on the back. We wouldn't want to.

1163
00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:39,580
Necessarily.

1164
00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:43,300
Build a giant wall right there. We'd have setbacks and probably some.

1165
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:45,140
Some step up to get higher.

1166
00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:47,500
As you go further away from the residential.

1167
00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:48,220
So, umm.

1168
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:49,340
We're open to kind of.

1169
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:52,500
Any suggestions you have or any advice you'd have on how to make this?

1170
00:58:53,060 --> 00:58:55,260
Fit in the community, but we do think.

1171
00:58:56,340 --> 00:58:59,065
You know, ultimately having a three acre site and hopefully we're going to be 4 acres soon, we're working with the neighbors next

1172
00:58:59,065 --> 00:59:01,790
door to acquire those.

1173
00:59:01,940 --> 00:59:03,300
But a three to four acre site?

1174
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:06,700
In downtown, holiday is a rare thing.

1175
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:09,220
I don't know that we'll ever see something like this again.

1176
00:59:09,260 --> 00:59:11,390
So we really want to take advantage, make sure that we.

1177
00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:12,820
We build something that is.

1178
00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:14,060
Beautiful for the city.

1179
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:16,820
This is this is my hometown. This is where I.

1180
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:20,100
Laying them work so it means a lot to me and.

1181
00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:21,300
I will say.

1182
00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:22,300
Financial.

1183
00:59:22,580 --> 00:59:23,860
Benefit on this is.

1184
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:29,190
By far the lowest lowest level of. Why would it? Obviously ask? The pencil has to make sense. I can't lose money on this.

1185
00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:32,990
But my goal is not to squeeze every penny out of this and make a lot of money.

1186
00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:36,980
It's really to create something stunning and beautiful for the city of Holiday.

1187
00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:39,500
And I think it will be a real crown jewel to the downtown.

1188
00:59:40,420 --> 00:59:43,260
I'm happy to answer any questions on the specifics or any of this.

1189
00:59:43,420 --> 00:59:47,300
Actually have an engineer with me as well that can answer and the engineering questions.

1190
00:59:47,620 --> 00:59:48,940
I'll be happy to kind of answer.

1191
00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:50,420
Any questions or concerns you might have?

1192
00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:53,620
I have one question for you. You mentioned an 8 foot teen.

1193
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,380
815 foot drop on the West side.

1194
00:59:56,780 --> 00:59:58,060
And the way this.

1195
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:03,940
Is written out for the application. It's 50 feet at St. level, so would that not make it?

1196
01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:05,180
68 feet.

1197
01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:07,700
On that West side if I'm mapping correctly.

1198
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:09,550
Yeah, I think we wouldn't. We certainly wouldn't.

1199
01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:12,100
Go up to 68 feet on that on that one side.

1200
01:00:12,620 --> 01:00:13,900
We're open to.

1201
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:16,580
Any kind of suggestions you have on that so?

1202
01:00:17,940 --> 01:00:18,420
If.

1203
01:00:19,340 --> 01:00:20,980
As we look at that back end.

1204
01:00:21,180 --> 01:00:25,060
I mean I'm talking about existing code. So existing code would be would be 35 feet.

1205
01:00:25,420 --> 01:00:26,420
On that back end.

1206
01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:27,420
So that would be.

1207
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:28,420
Only like 15?

1208
01:00:28,620 --> 01:00:29,380
Feet above.

1209
01:00:29,540 --> 01:00:30,180
Street Grade.

1210
01:00:30,260 --> 01:00:31,390
If you're looking back there.

1211
01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:32,260
So.

1212
01:00:33,580 --> 01:00:34,540
Yeah, I think.

1213
01:00:34,740 --> 01:00:39,100
Ultimately what we want to do is step that down. We would not want to be at 68 feet on that backside.

1214
01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:42,300
I think that would be egregious for the neighbors that are back there.

1215
01:00:42,460 --> 01:00:44,380
So we clearly want to step that up as as a.

1216
01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:47,380
As we reach or step that down as we go towards the back of the lot.

1217
01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:52,670
OK, other questions for the applicant.

1218
01:00:53,460 --> 01:00:54,420
I have a question.

1219
01:00:54,740 --> 01:00:55,100
I'm sorry.

1220
01:00:55,340 --> 01:00:58,070
Good. So you're talking about 50 feet?

1221
01:00:58,180 --> 01:00:59,100
On the.

1222
01:00:59,220 --> 01:01:00,580
Holiday Blvd. side.

1223
01:01:01,590 --> 01:01:02,230
50 feet.

1224
01:01:02,660 --> 01:01:06,100
Yeah. So ideally what we'd love to see is 50 feet from the street grade, so is we're.

1225
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:08,650
As we headed out, but we would step that down quite a bit.

1226
01:01:08,730 --> 01:01:09,170
So.

1227
01:01:09,850 --> 01:01:11,490
You know, part of the.

1228
01:01:11,650 --> 01:01:13,730
Part of the concern I have with the front neighbors.

1229
01:01:13,850 --> 01:01:15,850
As I'm trying to acquire those neighbors.

1230
01:01:16,090 --> 01:01:17,890
Is they don't really want to sell.

1231
01:01:17,970 --> 01:01:20,170
They kind of want to stay as they are and as you know.

1232
01:01:20,770 --> 01:01:22,010
Like you look at the.

1233
01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:23,050
The transmission.

1234
01:01:23,290 --> 01:01:25,330
Center is not necessarily a great look.

1235
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:28,690
For the city of holidays, come in and see transmission with the cars all there.

1236
01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:31,490
He's open to selling, but he wants a lot of money.

1237
01:01:31,890 --> 01:01:35,690
So for me to even be able to come close to where he'd want to be.

1238
01:01:35,930 --> 01:01:36,930
I'm going to have to look at.

1239
01:01:37,450 --> 01:01:41,250
Getting more density out of what he has on that front speed spot so.

1240
01:01:41,570 --> 01:01:45,090
I'm not asking for rezone on that property right now at all. I have to come back and do that.

1241
01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:47,410
But having a sense of what?

1242
01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:51,700
Could be happening on that back property on my piece would kind of give us some sense. Would be happening in the front.

1243
01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:56,690
And and the reality is we would probably still step it up. So even if we do acquire that front piece.

1244
01:01:56,930 --> 01:02:00,530
I probably don't see myself going more than 35 feet on that front piece.

1245
01:02:01,290 --> 01:02:04,730
You know, obviously have to come back here either way to ask for variance, but.

1246
01:02:04,810 --> 01:02:08,890
It would be nice to see 35 feet in the front and then step up to 4555 so.

1247
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:12,650
As you're looking at residential properties are looking out onto Mount Olympus.

1248
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:15,010
It steps up and they all have great views of it.

1249
01:02:15,130 --> 01:02:16,810
So you really would want to step that up.

1250
01:02:16,850 --> 01:02:19,715
So, but we're happy to work with the city and say how do we make this work so it's beautiful, so it doesn't look like there's a

1251
01:02:19,715 --> 01:02:22,580
big wall in the back.

1252
01:02:22,650 --> 01:02:24,500
We don't want a 70 foot wall in the back.

1253
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:27,140
We'd obviously have setbacks either way. We don't want to see that.

1254
01:02:27,490 --> 01:02:29,170
But we would love to see, you know, tiered.

1255
01:02:29,530 --> 01:02:31,330
Tiered housing so that they can lookout.

1256
01:02:31,410 --> 01:02:33,570
Get that beautiful view of Mount Olympus on one side.

1257
01:02:33,690 --> 01:02:35,250
On the backside, that beautiful.

1258
01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:36,610
View of Great Salt Lake.

1259
01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:39,210
That hopefully will be there in a couple years, so.

1260
01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:42,730
As long as we can keep that lake there, they'd have nice views of that, so it would again step down so you'd have great views the

1261
01:02:42,730 --> 01:02:45,690
Great Salt Lake.

1262
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:46,370
From each unit.

1263
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:53,810
And so you brought up the transmission shop, which is not in this currently. Is that 2 lots immediately West of it? We don't need

1264
01:02:53,810 --> 01:02:59,660
it. We don't control it, no, for sure. But that is part of the big plans. We're trying to acquire that.

1265
01:03:00,210 --> 01:03:02,650
As well as Meyers chicken and the dry cleaner.

1266
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:06,170
So ideally we'd acquire all those properties and bring this in.

1267
01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:09,370
So that would be one large development and part of that is.

1268
01:03:09,570 --> 01:03:11,810
Part of this approval process is just understanding.

1269
01:03:12,090 --> 01:03:13,850
What the value of this property is?

1270
01:03:13,930 --> 01:03:14,930
So we can afford.

1271
01:03:15,010 --> 01:03:16,490
To increase.

1272
01:03:17,250 --> 01:03:20,090
How much we're offering those properties upfront so we can acquire those?

1273
01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:22,290
But ultimately, that would be the the real.

1274
01:03:22,850 --> 01:03:24,690
Crown Jewel is to bring those together.

1275
01:03:25,090 --> 01:03:26,530
Make this a really.

1276
01:03:27,210 --> 01:03:28,410
Vibrant neighborhood that.

1277
01:03:28,490 --> 01:03:29,780
Would come straight from the street.

1278
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:33,810
To what you currently have control over possession of property wise is the large property just the three acres of Walgreens. We do

1279
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:37,210
not.

1280
01:03:37,330 --> 01:03:40,350
Control or have any control those properties. So why not ask me for any zone changes there or any any amendments or anything done

1281
01:03:40,350 --> 01:03:43,370
there?

1282
01:03:43,690 --> 01:03:46,170
But we are in the process of trying to acquire those.

1283
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:47,610
Well, and.

1284
01:03:48,130 --> 01:03:52,930
Correct me if I'm misreading this, I'm looking at the three properties inside a Red Square.

1285
01:03:53,290 --> 01:03:56,610
Those are three properties you don't control, but you do want to have.

1286
01:03:56,690 --> 01:03:58,730
The height increased on.

1287
01:03:59,530 --> 01:04:02,290
I my understanding we do not want to increase the height on those at this point. We've come back another time. We have those

1288
01:04:02,290 --> 01:04:05,050
under. I'm not.

1289
01:04:05,410 --> 01:04:07,330
I mean, I don't control them, so I think they'd be.

1290
01:04:07,450 --> 01:04:10,490
Difficult thing for me to come rezone. Am I miss reading this map John?

1291
01:04:11,090 --> 01:04:14,730
No, you're right. I think that's from Staffs looking at the development proposal that was provided in the applicants narrative.

1292
01:04:14,730 --> 01:04:18,370
That's the area that we highlighted.

1293
01:04:18,450 --> 01:04:19,250
Because yeah, that.

1294
01:04:19,770 --> 01:04:24,330
That's what we'd like to see eventually as what we control. I'd love to have that someday, but we don't have it yet.

1295
01:04:24,410 --> 01:04:26,140
So we're just asking for the back piece right now.

1296
01:04:26,730 --> 01:04:28,610
I don't control those front pieces, so we wouldn't want to.

1297
01:04:28,850 --> 01:04:31,010
Make those changes and honestly, I'm not sure.

1298
01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:33,730
That's something we'd even want to do at that point.

1299
01:04:33,770 --> 01:04:36,140
If we didn't want to increase the height of those front units.

1300
01:04:36,570 --> 01:04:38,770
I mean, we'd take it, but I'm not sure we'd actually use it.

1301
01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:41,010
Well, you know, just.

1302
01:04:42,090 --> 01:04:45,050
From my own perspective looking at this if it.

1303
01:04:45,130 --> 01:04:46,050
**** it's.

1304
01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:49,690
Sent with a forward recommendation and City Council approves it.

1305
01:04:49,890 --> 01:04:51,490
Those three properties could.

1306
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:56,610
Sell, bulldoze, give it to somebody else and build 50 foot whatever's in front of yours, right?

1307
01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:57,730
Yeah, that's so we.

1308
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:59,970
We wouldn't. I wouldn't want to prove that at this point.

1309
01:05:00,810 --> 01:05:05,970
OK. So if there if there is no, I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying and versus what I'm looking at and what's

1310
01:05:05,970 --> 01:05:11,130
been submitted to us as an application form right now, which is this Red Square.

1311
01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:11,850
Right. Uh.

1312
01:05:12,370 --> 01:05:17,570
Right. If you wanted to be specific, you could just reference the 4714 address, OK.

1313
01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:20,450
Yeah. So we would not want to rezone that front piece.

1314
01:05:20,610 --> 01:05:22,410
Or change the law. Do a lot change on that.

1315
01:05:22,770 --> 01:05:24,450
So we just want it on the back piece.

1316
01:05:24,970 --> 01:05:25,210
OK.

1317
01:05:26,290 --> 01:05:26,850
All right.

1318
01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:29,170
Appreciate you clarifying that. Thank you.

1319
01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:32,410
Commissioner Gong, another question. You had mentioned the Drake.

1320
01:05:32,490 --> 01:05:34,810
Cleaners having a significant.

1321
01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:36,370
Contamination impact.

1322
01:05:36,450 --> 01:05:37,930
And so you'd rather not.

1323
01:05:38,170 --> 01:05:39,370
Dig down.

1324
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:41,300
Can you can you talk a little bit more about that?

1325
01:05:41,450 --> 01:05:44,090
Yeah. So we did a phase one and a Phase 2.

1326
01:05:44,170 --> 01:05:48,180
Environmental report. So phase one, they just kind of come out and look at the property. They don't do much.

1327
01:05:48,250 --> 01:05:51,050
Phase two, where that is where they actually drill holes.

1328
01:05:51,130 --> 01:05:52,060
Figure out what's down there.

1329
01:05:52,170 --> 01:05:58,050
The good news is the contamination is not real serious. It is contamination. Almost every dry cleaner is going to have some.

1330
01:05:58,450 --> 01:05:59,250
I actually think.

1331
01:05:59,490 --> 01:06:02,010
The dry cleaner did a pretty good job at making sure they didn't.

1332
01:06:02,450 --> 01:06:05,930
Overdo it. So a lot of times what happens, they use those chemicals as weed control.

1333
01:06:06,010 --> 01:06:09,540
So you have these chemicals that work really well to kill all the weeds, then use it, they spray it out there and.

1334
01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:10,850
That would get into the soil.

1335
01:06:11,090 --> 01:06:13,690
This was not happening here, at least as far as we can tell.

1336
01:06:13,730 --> 01:06:17,300
So there's a little bit of contamination of soil. They're they're not really concerned about it.

1337
01:06:17,770 --> 01:06:21,370
You wouldn't necessarily have to do anything. They don't recommend any big changes.

1338
01:06:21,450 --> 01:06:22,930
Other than a vapor barrier.

1339
01:06:23,290 --> 01:06:25,810
Above if you're going to have living quarters.

1340
01:06:25,850 --> 01:06:28,660
So if we did all commercial, we actually probably would need to do anything.

1341
01:06:29,090 --> 01:06:32,570
But the faculty be living orders here. They want a vapor barrier at the bottom level.

1342
01:06:32,690 --> 01:06:33,290
Some.

1343
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:37,890
Some fans and ventilation relatively minor just to make sure those chemicals.

1344
01:06:38,490 --> 01:06:41,890
Don't make it into living space. Looks like you have a partner that wishes to also make This is my This is a thanks Matthews, the

1345
01:06:41,890 --> 01:06:45,290
engineer on that.

1346
01:06:45,770 --> 01:06:47,130
You can maybe get more color on that.

1347
01:06:47,650 --> 01:06:48,730
Yeah, so.

1348
01:06:49,250 --> 01:06:52,690
As Josh said, we had to do both Phase one and Phase 2.

1349
01:06:52,890 --> 01:06:54,810
Yeah. And the Phase 2 was?

1350
01:06:55,050 --> 01:07:01,610
Was was a little bit more concerning than than we thought it would be because it had elevated levels above residential.

1351
01:07:01,730 --> 01:07:03,810
Limits as well as commercial limits.

1352
01:07:04,090 --> 01:07:07,970
And so that that's that's the reason why the vapor barrier is necessary there.

1353
01:07:08,170 --> 01:07:14,090
As Josh says, if we start to excavate and try to remediate and remove that sort of contamination, it just gets really expensive to

1354
01:07:14,090 --> 01:07:20,010
do. And so we've got to be careful how we approach that. But we work.

1355
01:07:20,130 --> 01:07:21,530
We're working hand in hand with.

1356
01:07:21,970 --> 01:07:26,450
With our consultants and then they will work in hand with the Utah Department of Environmental Quality.

1357
01:07:26,530 --> 01:07:28,010
To make sure we handle it correctly.

1358
01:07:31,110 --> 01:07:33,140
Thank you. Believe it not the gas station.

1359
01:07:33,330 --> 01:07:34,330
Are they the?

1360
01:07:35,330 --> 01:07:39,970
The transmission shop on the on the South end of that, that actually probably has the most contamination because it does. It used

1361
01:07:39,970 --> 01:07:44,610
to be a gas station, which I wasn't aware of, so has underground tanks.

1362
01:07:45,050 --> 01:07:46,050
That will require.

1363
01:07:46,130 --> 01:07:47,770
More remediation, but only if we.

1364
01:07:47,930 --> 01:07:49,290
Are able to acquire that property.

1365
01:07:51,290 --> 01:07:54,170
Which is the one on the corner of Arbor and Holiday, correct?

1366
01:07:57,410 --> 01:07:59,370
Other questions for the applicant at this time.

1367
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,100
One question.

1368
01:08:01,570 --> 01:08:02,450
Commissioner, go ahead.

1369
01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:05,890
Well, two questions.

1370
01:08:06,330 --> 01:08:07,490
What happens?

1371
01:08:07,610 --> 01:08:14,090
To your plan if you don't acquire those properties, that's my first question. My second question is.

1372
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:16,650
What happens to your plan if you don't get?

1373
01:08:16,770 --> 01:08:18,610
The zoning change.

1374
01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:21,330
So change the height change.

1375
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:22,810
So I think.

1376
01:08:23,490 --> 01:08:25,810
If we don't acquire those front properties.

1377
01:08:25,850 --> 01:08:27,730
We're still going to move forward with the property.

1378
01:08:27,930 --> 01:08:29,540
It'll be very different. It won't have.

1379
01:08:29,810 --> 01:08:31,530
Probably any commercial be my guess.

1380
01:08:31,810 --> 01:08:35,090
I'm not sure that commercial works really well down below.

1381
01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:36,250
We might try and.

1382
01:08:36,450 --> 01:08:36,970
I mean.

1383
01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:38,330
Maybe put some up?

1384
01:08:39,090 --> 01:08:42,450
But the access Rd. if we didn't need 2 points of access? I mean kind of depending how.

1385
01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:44,610
Lays out we haven't looked at very closely.

1386
01:08:44,690 --> 01:08:46,610
But we just have a very little bit of frontage.

1387
01:08:46,810 --> 01:08:47,530
On holiday.

1388
01:08:47,610 --> 01:08:49,210
Blvd. up there so I'm not sure.

1389
01:08:49,450 --> 01:08:50,850
If we could sneak something there.

1390
01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:53,795
Other than that, we probably wouldn't have any commercial, probably looking at more just a residential town home type product if

1391
01:08:53,795 --> 01:08:56,660
it's not approved.

1392
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:58,090
I think.

1393
01:08:58,770 --> 01:09:01,860
If we are able to get a height variance, we probably do a little bit.

1394
01:09:02,370 --> 01:09:03,730
Something a little bit more significant.

1395
01:09:05,050 --> 01:09:06,010
My inclination.

1396
01:09:06,130 --> 01:09:11,810
You know, this is not great negotiating on my behalf, but my inclination is to wait until we get it. Like I want to do this right.

1397
01:09:12,730 --> 01:09:13,490
I really think.

1398
01:09:13,770 --> 01:09:14,250
We are.

1399
01:09:14,370 --> 01:09:15,370
Gonna work really hard.

1400
01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:17,650
To to work with those owners in the front.

1401
01:09:17,730 --> 01:09:20,695
They operate great businesses, by the way. They don't. All of them are wanting to continue to operate their businesses. Myers

1402
01:09:20,695 --> 01:09:23,660
Chicken wants to continue to.

1403
01:09:23,770 --> 01:09:26,620
Do their business, so we're actually looking at other sites and holiday for them.

1404
01:09:27,210 --> 01:09:31,210
And looking to move them with with a fee to say hey, we'll pay you to move.

1405
01:09:31,330 --> 01:09:32,970
Will build you something just as night.

1406
01:09:33,050 --> 01:09:34,930
They all want to stay on holiday, which is great.

1407
01:09:35,410 --> 01:09:38,130
So we're looking at other sites where they could potentially do that.

1408
01:09:38,850 --> 01:09:41,930
So I I really work hard to make sure we get those.

1409
01:09:42,130 --> 01:09:43,690
From parcels I hate to just.

1410
01:09:44,050 --> 01:09:45,730
Do something in the back that doesn't.

1411
01:09:46,740 --> 01:09:50,980
Doesn't complete the full picture of the vision I have for it, so.

1412
01:09:51,050 --> 01:09:53,260
If have to wait a minute, we're going to, we're going to wait.

1413
01:09:53,770 --> 01:09:54,890
Like I said with.

1414
01:09:54,930 --> 01:09:56,580
Walgreens doesn't expire for three years.

1415
01:09:56,650 --> 01:09:57,530
So this is.

1416
01:09:57,610 --> 01:10:00,460
We're going to be working on this for a while. There's a chance they, you know, they leave early.

1417
01:10:00,850 --> 01:10:04,890
They are closing. Walgreens is closing a lot of their stores right now all over the country.

1418
01:10:05,250 --> 01:10:08,210
They were recently acquired by a private equity firm.

1419
01:10:08,490 --> 01:10:11,090
And the process of disposing of a lot of their properties that.

1420
01:10:11,210 --> 01:10:12,610
They're not profitable so.

1421
01:10:13,170 --> 01:10:16,690
It's possible they leave early, but we're kind of planning on a three-year process.

1422
01:10:16,930 --> 01:10:19,750
So hopefully we're able to work with the buyers and for the owners in front to acquire those and really create something

1423
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:22,570
beautiful, but.

1424
01:10:22,650 --> 01:10:27,300
Ultimately, I mean, if none of that works, I think, you know, you look at a townhome product back there that's just kind of.

1425
01:10:27,730 --> 01:10:29,650
Pretty standard holiday stuff that.

1426
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:30,730
Is OK.

1427
01:10:30,890 --> 01:10:33,330
That's not going to do a lot for the city, that kind of.

1428
01:10:33,530 --> 01:10:35,450
Makes me sad if you think about doing that so.

1429
01:10:35,530 --> 01:10:36,940
That's not the vision I have, I hope.

1430
01:10:36,970 --> 01:10:38,980
I hope we don't end up there, but that would be, I mean.

1431
01:10:39,210 --> 01:10:40,610
It'd be a perfectly fine.

1432
01:10:40,690 --> 01:10:42,090
Townhome community back in there.

1433
01:10:42,290 --> 01:10:46,370
And if you get the height, if you get the properties but don't get the height change.

1434
01:10:47,210 --> 01:10:47,810
I think.

1435
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:49,050
It just makes it.

1436
01:10:49,090 --> 01:10:52,515
It makes it less. I mean, we're still gonna, it's not like we're gonna come in here. So we're not gonna do this deal. We're still

1437
01:10:52,515 --> 01:10:55,940
gonna try and figure out a way to make it work.

1438
01:10:56,010 --> 01:11:03,060
I think ultimately it just isn't as stunning and as big a landmark as I think it can be. I think this can truly be.

1439
01:11:03,610 --> 01:11:06,170
The place that people look at in holidays of this.

1440
01:11:06,250 --> 01:11:08,490
This is incredible. We wanted to have.

1441
01:11:08,650 --> 01:11:10,970
We've actually engaged architects.

1442
01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:12,530
From Seattle.

1443
01:11:12,690 --> 01:11:13,650
To Washington, DC.

1444
01:11:14,530 --> 01:11:19,570
People who have done projects like this in downtown areas, I mean, if you if you drive around Denver and some other areas.

1445
01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:21,730
Their high end communities have.

1446
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:23,290
Really stunning.

1447
01:11:23,650 --> 01:11:24,530
Centerpieces.

1448
01:11:24,610 --> 01:11:27,775
And Utah just doesn't have one. I mean, the whole state, there's just nothing like there's, there's some kind of in Deer Valley

1449
01:11:27,775 --> 01:11:30,940
West, if you kind of go up there, there's some.

1450
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:34,610
Pretty stunning places, but outside of Park City, Deer Valley we just haven't built.

1451
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:39,530
Something that is just stunning and beautiful and that's, that's what I want to do and that's why.

1452
01:11:40,530 --> 01:11:42,410
That's not how I make the most money, I'll tell you that.

1453
01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:46,540
Making something that stunning and beautiful doesn't make me the most money, but I do think.

1454
01:11:47,690 --> 01:11:49,490
I do think that's what is.

1455
01:11:50,330 --> 01:11:51,890
Legacy I'd love to leave.

1456
01:11:51,970 --> 01:11:53,330
For the city so.

1457
01:11:53,410 --> 01:11:56,475
Would love your input as we continue to design this because we are going to probably ask the design changes and slight amendments

1458
01:11:56,475 --> 01:11:59,540
to that code.

1459
01:11:59,650 --> 01:12:02,410
Because I think you know that the old one is a little bit antiquated. I.

1460
01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:05,970
Done downtown holiday before and we've come for design changes. I think we've built as.

1461
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:07,250
More beautiful.

1462
01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:11,730
So we'd love to kind of have your input as we continue to go down this, but we're looking at.

1463
01:12:11,850 --> 01:12:15,050
You know, natural woods and a lot of greenery like living.

1464
01:12:15,490 --> 01:12:19,610
Living walls and those types of things that are that they've been using in other places that are.

1465
01:12:20,290 --> 01:12:21,290
Just add a lot to the.

1466
01:12:21,450 --> 01:12:22,570
To the community, so.

1467
01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:23,610
I I really.

1468
01:12:23,690 --> 01:12:25,570
This is like labor of love. This is not.

1469
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,180
How I make the most money we do a lot of industrial development that makes a lot of money and it's.

1470
01:12:30,570 --> 01:12:31,410
I'm pretty ugly.

1471
01:12:31,570 --> 01:12:34,620
We build them in the middle of nowhere. Hope it's not. People have to see him.

1472
01:12:35,050 --> 01:12:36,290
These are.

1473
01:12:36,410 --> 01:12:38,530
This type of product I like to do just.

1474
01:12:38,890 --> 01:12:40,210
Really add value to a community.

1475
01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:42,010
Especially community other than.

1476
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:49,090
Commissioner Cunningham yeah, getting back to height, which is really the only issue on the table tonight.

1477
01:12:49,490 --> 01:12:51,890
What I'm hearing, and I think you said it.

1478
01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:54,090
Was a new Town Center.

1479
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:55,820
No, it would be.

1480
01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:59,730
Part of the town and this is the Town Center, not a new Town Center. Park wouldn't.

1481
01:13:00,330 --> 01:13:02,530
It's not going to be size compatible.

1482
01:13:03,890 --> 01:13:05,610
I mean, I think if you.

1483
01:13:05,690 --> 01:13:08,290
Compare it to like the actual heights from the street.

1484
01:13:08,370 --> 01:13:09,210
Of everything else.

1485
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:11,530
It's pretty you're not going to see a big difference.

1486
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:15,940
From looking from Holiday Blvd. it's going to look pretty compatible to what's happening in the rest of the community.

1487
01:13:16,710 --> 01:13:20,665
I'm sure the public will share their view of whether that's true or not, but I guess that's to me that's a very important issue

1488
01:13:20,665 --> 01:13:24,620
that the.

1489
01:13:24,690 --> 01:13:26,610
City spend a lot of time and effort.

1490
01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:27,970
Scaling.

1491
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:31,130
Their center I'm not thinking they're looking for.

1492
01:13:31,690 --> 01:13:34,050
Another one down the road that's bigger.

1493
01:13:34,730 --> 01:13:37,870
Yeah. I mean, I don't see this as a different city center. This is part of the entire thing. And I think is is you continue to

1494
01:13:37,870 --> 01:13:41,010
build.

1495
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:42,370
I mean, there's going to be.

1496
01:13:43,690 --> 01:13:46,170
There's a lot of land.

1497
01:13:46,410 --> 01:13:48,210
That goes between US and.

1498
01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:49,450
And the rest of the city.

1499
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:50,450
I think.

1500
01:13:50,530 --> 01:13:53,130
As we build this, others will follow our suit and make.

1501
01:13:53,530 --> 01:13:54,330
And continue to.

1502
01:13:54,690 --> 01:13:55,890
Make beautiful product.

1503
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:57,250
Right now it's.

1504
01:13:57,330 --> 01:13:58,290
I mean it is tired.

1505
01:13:59,010 --> 01:13:59,650
And it's.

1506
01:13:59,730 --> 01:14:01,330
It's you have.

1507
01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:03,650
Anti rays I mean it's like.

1508
01:14:04,050 --> 01:14:05,610
This is a city of holiday.

1509
01:14:05,770 --> 01:14:07,370
Downtown should be vibrant.

1510
01:14:07,610 --> 01:14:09,330
And bustling and beautiful.

1511
01:14:09,570 --> 01:14:11,770
And right now we have a lot of old buildings that are.

1512
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:12,860
Sitting there and I think.

1513
01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:14,170
Allowing.

1514
01:14:14,570 --> 01:14:15,730
Developers to.

1515
01:14:16,450 --> 01:14:18,210
Get to 50 feet is not I mean.

1516
01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:20,090
35 feet is what you have in.

1517
01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:22,450
Residential. I mean, my house is 35 feet.

1518
01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:24,890
I know that because my neighbor got out there with a ruler.

1519
01:14:25,090 --> 01:14:31,650
When I was out of construction and made sure, I think he called you a couple times. He made sure with 35, so I think we're 34 1/2.

1520
01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:35,610
So going 15 feet above that in a downtown.

1521
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:37,770
Does not seem egregious to me.

1522
01:14:37,890 --> 01:14:38,890
I mean, it seems within.

1523
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:39,570
With reason.

1524
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:42,500
What?

1525
01:14:45,010 --> 01:14:45,690
Please.

1526
01:14:45,810 --> 01:14:48,170
Save any comments for the public hearing.

1527
01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:50,770
Thank you. I will. I will just say like if you compare it.

1528
01:14:51,290 --> 01:14:53,290
The sugar house or and.

1529
01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:58,060
Publicly, absolutely get a chance to speak and I appreciate the concern. I think we do want to be responsive to the public.

1530
01:14:58,170 --> 01:15:00,530
But if you are looking at Sugar House and even Mill Creek.

1531
01:15:00,970 --> 01:15:03,490
Yeah, that's that building right there, at least 7 feet.

1532
01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:06,970
Your average or seven stories, I think, and you average.

1533
01:15:07,210 --> 01:15:08,930
12 feet a story, and that's 80.

1534
01:15:09,050 --> 01:15:11,570
90 feet, probably 80 feet, that building right there, so.

1535
01:15:11,890 --> 01:15:13,010
That that is a tall building.

1536
01:15:13,450 --> 01:15:14,290
But we're looking at.

1537
01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:16,650
Considerably lower than that so.

1538
01:15:18,090 --> 01:15:20,250
Any other questions for the applicant at this time?

1539
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:23,130
OK. We'll go ahead and have you. Hey, thank you very much. Thank you.

1540
01:15:23,770 --> 01:15:26,170
All right. And before we take public hearing just.

1541
01:15:26,250 --> 01:15:29,550
For my own edification by raise of hand, how many people were here for this item tonight? Please raise your hand. Looks like

1542
01:15:29,550 --> 01:15:32,850
majority OK?

1543
01:15:33,330 --> 01:15:35,490
So I'm gonna call for a quick recess.

1544
01:15:35,770 --> 01:15:38,180
So that I can be totally fresh for this.

1545
01:15:38,890 --> 01:15:41,770
And we will come back at 6:55.

1546
01:15:42,170 --> 01:15:42,650
So.

1547
01:15:43,450 --> 01:15:44,930
We'll take a quick break.

1548
01:15:45,010 --> 01:15:46,850
And then we will open up for public comment.

1549
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:50,400
You can't do that.

1550
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,720
So there is.

1551
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:00,320
Opportunity for public to make comment on this tonight, and it looks like we do have a lot of public here to do so.

1552
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,880
I do want to just remind everyone.

1553
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,400
That this application.

1554
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:07,840
Is about height.

1555
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,520
And changing the height limit from 35 to 50.

1556
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:16,440
It has nothing to do with density. It has nothing to do with how it's going to look.

1557
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,120
How it's going to be built?

1558
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:23,320
What it's going to be like, why it's built, none of that is what's on the table for us tonight.

1559
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,960
This is for Planning Commission to review and make either a positive.

1560
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:34,680
Or negative recommendation to City Council, who will then make the ultimate decision on what happens next with this.

1561
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,800
So tonight is just about a positive or negative recommendation.

1562
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,240
And again, it is about the height.

1563
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:45,040
If you have already submitted public comment via e-mail.

1564
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,530
We received a dozen of those.

1565
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,960
And talked about them in our work meeting earlier. There is no reason for you to get up and make more comment on those tonight

1566
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:56,080
because we already have your comments.

1567
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,570
And I would like to remind everyone because there's a lot of people here.

1568
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:04,340
Please do not reiterate the same points that the person before you. I don't need to hear the exact same thing three times from

1569
01:17:04,340 --> 01:17:08,960
three different people. You can literally get up, say.

1570
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:10,520
Ditto to that person.

1571
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,760
That's exactly what I wanted to say, and we got it and you're good.

1572
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,920
So in the interest of time, we would ask you to be.

1573
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,360
Considerate of that. And again we ask you.

1574
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:21,680
Don't ask us questions.

1575
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,000
Make your comment.

1576
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:24,320
Don't talk to the crowd.

1577
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:25,680
Don't talk to the applicant.

1578
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,960
Address the Commission, make your statement and sit down.

1579
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,960
And that's how we will proceed at this time again remind you.

1580
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:38,040
Into the microphone name and address when you get started so we know who you are where you live.

1581
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,600
And at this time, we will open up public comment for anyone who wishes to do so.

1582
01:17:48,370 --> 01:17:51,530
Holly Richards, 2470 Kentucky Ave.

1583
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:59,240
And I want to thank you and I appreciate you for the service you do for our city and for allowing me to express my thoughts.

1584
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:06,080
I'm opposed to the text amendment to increase the building height of 50 feet for the Romney Group redevelopment project.

1585
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:11,360
And I agree with the points that were made in an e-mail you received from Steve ****.

1586
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,480
I have also been forwarded copies of Two Meal.

1587
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,240
Emails today that may not have made the deadline yesterday.

1588
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,640
Greg and Melissa Adcock at 2445 Kentucky Ave.

1589
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,560
Dennis and Melinda Robbins at 2480 Kentucky Ave.

1590
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,320
Both oppose this text amendment.

1591
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,680
And as you drive around Sugar House and Mill Creek areas.

1592
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,120
Where does your eye go?

1593
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,040
To the highest structure.

1594
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:42,160
The proposed increase in height would be inconsistent with the Holiday village buildings.

1595
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:50,480
Holiday city staff, Planning Commission and City Council have been able to maintain the height restrictions for 10 years.

1596
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,080
The message should be.

1597
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,320
Clear and reflect the character of Holiday.

1598
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,360
Build within the code.

1599
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,600
I ask you to deny this request for the text amendment.

1600
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,800
And let the established legacy of keeping holiday special.

1601
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,400
Continue. Thank you for your time and consideration.

1602
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:10,480
Thank you, Holly.

1603
01:19:18,430 --> 01:19:20,470
Hi, my name is Robin Huff.

1604
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,600
I live at 2465 Kentucky Ave.

1605
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:25,400
I have lived in holidays.

1606
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:26,480
Since video.

1607
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,730
And I have watched this community develop and I cannot tell you how.

1608
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:32,880
Proud I am.

1609
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,040
Of what? The Planning Commission and the.

1610
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,280
People of holiday have developed here.

1611
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:44,000
And I listened to Mr. Romney talk about wanting to create something that was vibrant and bustling and stunning. Well, frankly, I

1612
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:49,280
think we already have that. I'm not sure we need to repeat that, I think.

1613
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,160
I am so proud of how holiday has developed.

1614
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:56,000
As I listened to Mr. Romney speak, I could not hear any.

1615
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,040
Compelling.

1616
01:19:58,090 --> 01:20:01,050
Benefit to the residents of holiday.

1617
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:02,200
To change.

1618
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:03,200
This.

1619
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,200
Rule or this code?

1620
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,000
There was no reason you know the.

1621
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:11,800
Residents of Holly are going to be so much better off if we can just make this building even taller and taller.

1622
01:20:12,570 --> 01:20:13,490
There's nothing there.

1623
01:20:14,410 --> 01:20:16,010
It should be a benefit.

1624
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:17,840
To the residents of Holiday.

1625
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:19,160
If you're going to.

1626
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,330
To change the rules.

1627
01:20:23,090 --> 01:20:26,930
Also, I suspect this is the nose of the camel.

1628
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:27,800
In the tent.

1629
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:31,840
Oh, let's just go to 50 feet. Well, you know.

1630
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,560
Maybe we could just go to 55 over here, 65 over there.

1631
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,520
The rules are in place because Holiday chose as a community.

1632
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,530
To create a plan that would create a walkable community.

1633
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,480
And none of us would feel like it was.

1634
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:46,480
Sugar.

1635
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,800
I think that there should be a compelling benefit.

1636
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:55,360
To the holiday residence if you're going to make such a change, not just a benefit to a developer.

1637
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:58,360
I love holiday.

1638
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:59,570
Thank you so much.

1639
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:00,800
Appreciate your time.

1640
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:02,640
Thank you, Robin.

1641
01:21:13,950 --> 01:21:18,030
Hi Al Spencer, 4591 S Holly Lane.

1642
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:20,960
I have a few concerns.

1643
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,320
I was hearing the judgments of 1 developer about what?

1644
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:26,080
Should uh.

1645
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,400
Be for holiday.

1646
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,200
My question is.

1647
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,000
What does holiday need?

1648
01:21:33,250 --> 01:21:34,690
Does that meet the needs?

1649
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:35,960
Of holiday.

1650
01:21:37,770 --> 01:21:39,010
Does holiday need?

1651
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:40,680
Something higher.

1652
01:21:41,740 --> 01:21:43,370
One of my concerns is.

1653
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,560
If it's higher.

1654
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,640
That allows for greater density.

1655
01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:49,540
And I don't see that.

1656
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:51,240
Area.

1657
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:52,850
Being able to.

1658
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,080
Hold the traffic.

1659
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:58,250
And the infrastructure?

1660
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,770
For that many more people and businesses.

1661
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:02,480
That's one of my concerns.

1662
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:07,040
I'm also concerned.

1663
01:22:08,130 --> 01:22:08,610
That.

1664
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:10,720
The point?

1665
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,040
Brought up by Mr. Cunningham about.

1666
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,960
Matching the rest of Holiday Village and keeping the center in the center.

1667
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:27,440
And I'm also concerned in general, so this doesn't speak to the height specifically.

1668
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:28,480
But.

1669
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,200
I'm seeing a lot of.

1670
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:31,760
High end housing.

1671
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,160
Holiday and a lot of families being priced out.

1672
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,960
So does such a high end.

1673
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,240
Project.

1674
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:40,480
The housing needs.

1675
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,000
Of holiday residents.

1676
01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:44,260
And how does?

1677
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,960
Height impact that.

1678
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:48,280
Thank you.

1679
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:49,200
Thank you.

1680
01:22:56,580 --> 01:22:58,170
My name is Clark Richards.

1681
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,520
I'm at 2470 Kentucky Ave.

1682
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,200
And I agree with everything that's been said.

1683
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:05,840
But I.

1684
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,160
Just going to shoot from the cuff. I I want to thank all of you for serving.

1685
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,040
It's important.

1686
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,360
To me that you have our back.

1687
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,680
As community.

1688
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:20,920
I'm opposed.

1689
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,680
To the height.

1690
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,080
Increase.

1691
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:26,560
I believe the project can be done.

1692
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:27,560
Without.

1693
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,120
Increase in heights.

1694
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,980
And it can be done. I have. If I could, if I could address the applicant, I'd say welcome to the neighborhood. I have no doubt

1695
01:23:32,980 --> 01:23:36,600
he's going to do it.

1696
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:38,760
As you put.

1697
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,120
Of project, but I believe that the.

1698
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:46,160
The staff.

1699
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:47,960
Did a remarkable job with.

1700
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,560
Holiday Village Plant as it exists. There was a ton of work.

1701
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:52,880
Went into. I would.

1702
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:53,720
I was there for.

1703
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:58,880
For some of that and I and I then it was there's just a lot of debate and community input.

1704
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,160
And the numbers that were arrived at were.

1705
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:07,770
We're pretty specific and they're there for a reason. And I just, I just really think that.

1706
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,840
That our projects can.

1707
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:11,480
Going forward.

1708
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:13,760
Ought to stick to those.

1709
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:17,680
I'm worried.

1710
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:18,720
About uh.

1711
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,760
The people that come after you.

1712
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:22,840
If.

1713
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:27,320
If there's a high increase allowed.

1714
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,280
I'm worried that there'll be more.

1715
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:35,720
That other planning commissions that will come after you will allow more and more, so I believe that.

1716
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,040
The line needs to be.

1717
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:39,720
Kept where it is.

1718
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:40,600
And, umm.

1719
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:43,400
Just that.

1720
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:44,440
I have to.

1721
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,080
I spoke with a friend that was.

1722
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,040
In Cal that lives in California and next to.

1723
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:51,360
Uh.

1724
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:57,320
Earlier today and I just, I just asked him if he felt this would fly.

1725
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,040
In Carmel by the sea. And he said no.

1726
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:01,760
He said it would not at all.

1727
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,280
They would. They would, they would say.

1728
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:05,480
Build within code.

1729
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:06,880
And that's all I'm saying.

1730
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,240
Build code.

1731
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:09,920
Thank you very much for your time.

1732
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:10,640
Thank you.

1733
01:25:33,550 --> 01:25:36,350
OK, I'm Shirley Chaffee on.

1734
01:25:36,580 --> 01:25:38,460
2523 Kedy did lane.

1735
01:25:38,940 --> 01:25:40,260
And I just want to say.

1736
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:42,030
I have lived in.

1737
01:25:43,220 --> 01:25:48,580
Holiday, as you see, I'm older than anybody here almost and so I.

1738
01:25:49,060 --> 01:25:53,440
Have seen the changes and everything that's been happening. I've seen what happened at Sugar House. When I was growing up, we

1739
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:57,820
lived in Sugar House and look what happened to Sugar House.

1740
01:25:57,940 --> 01:25:59,860
And they always say it's not about money.

1741
01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:04,380
It's not about money, but it has to be about money. They want to keep tearing things down.

1742
01:26:04,460 --> 01:26:06,620
Putting bigger things up, bigger things up.

1743
01:26:06,780 --> 01:26:08,340
And I don't know why do you want just.

1744
01:26:08,420 --> 01:26:09,420
Keep holiday.

1745
01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:12,460
Holiday where we all live and we all love.

1746
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:15,070
Thank you, Shirley.

1747
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:27,230
Ren Sof. I live at 2325 E Arbor Lane.

1748
01:26:27,620 --> 01:26:31,100
Which is right next door to the property, so I share a wall with them.

1749
01:26:32,420 --> 01:26:33,860
I'm a big fan of this product.

1750
01:26:34,380 --> 01:26:37,660
Project in words. I like the vision. I like the idea.

1751
01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:43,380
Though I do think this conversation is unfair because we are speak, we're not speaking visually.

1752
01:26:43,580 --> 01:26:49,260
So though we're talking about height, we actually don't know what it means and there is a dip in in the elevation, so the height.

1753
01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:51,750
Might not matter to this project.

1754
01:26:52,340 --> 01:26:53,860
But from from.

1755
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:56,300
Where I live perspective, it does.

1756
01:26:56,540 --> 01:26:57,500
Potentially.

1757
01:26:57,580 --> 01:27:00,500
But again, I don't know exactly where the height is being built.

1758
01:27:01,260 --> 01:27:05,460
I I'm we, my family and I, we moved from New York 70 years ago.

1759
01:27:05,940 --> 01:27:07,270
Got into the house.

1760
01:27:07,420 --> 01:27:08,140
And.

1761
01:27:09,140 --> 01:27:12,020
We lived in shadows for, you know, 12 years.

1762
01:27:12,620 --> 01:27:14,060
Because of the height of Manhattan.

1763
01:27:14,860 --> 01:27:18,900
The height, the building height in Manhattan and I don't want to live in.

1764
01:27:18,980 --> 01:27:23,460
Shadows, but I'm not saying that I would because we don't know the visuals.

1765
01:27:24,460 --> 01:27:25,140
I also.

1766
01:27:25,540 --> 01:27:27,740
Believe that the brand of.

1767
01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:32,870
Of Holiday does have a brand, and it's a quaint brand.

1768
01:27:33,970 --> 01:27:36,590
But because of the dip in the elevation of the property.

1769
01:27:37,020 --> 01:27:39,580
It might not infringe on the brand.

1770
01:27:39,820 --> 01:27:40,380
So.

1771
01:27:40,980 --> 01:27:41,820
I would ask.

1772
01:27:41,900 --> 01:27:44,700
For for further conversation on the visual.

1773
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:47,750
Thank you.

1774
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:56,030
Anyone else?

1775
01:27:58,940 --> 01:28:02,460
OK, you'll get a chance as soon as I close the public hearing.

1776
01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:06,020
If nobody else has any public comment, that's actually what I'll do.

1777
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:08,340
And we'll allow you 5 minutes to.

1778
01:28:09,020 --> 01:28:10,220
Touch on any points.

1779
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,030
Oh, I just closed the public hearing.

1780
01:28:14,260 --> 01:28:17,700
That's OK. Yeah, I really appreciate the comments. Take them to heart.

1781
01:28:18,020 --> 01:28:21,220
I I think it would be helpful to have some visuals so you have a better sense of.

1782
01:28:21,740 --> 01:28:24,830
Of what that looks like, this is kind of visual application.

1783
01:28:24,980 --> 01:28:27,140
So I think it might be helpful for us to come back with.

1784
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:32,300
Was something that did kind of outline and kind of show a little bit more sense of where that height would be.

1785
01:28:32,340 --> 01:28:34,700
What it would look like and where on the property that would look like So, so you had a better understanding of how that stepped

1786
01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:37,060
down.

1787
01:28:37,180 --> 01:28:37,940
So we're happy.

1788
01:28:38,580 --> 01:28:40,150
If you want to table that for the next.

1789
01:28:40,260 --> 01:28:41,140
Planning Commission.

1790
01:28:41,460 --> 01:28:42,580
Have me come in and present.

1791
01:28:42,620 --> 01:28:45,670
Some sort of visual what that would look like. We're happy to do that as well.

1792
01:28:46,410 --> 01:28:47,470
So or.

1793
01:28:48,020 --> 01:28:49,580
Obviously follow your aggression on this.

1794
01:28:50,060 --> 01:28:53,030
OK. Any other questions for the applicant?

1795
01:28:53,620 --> 01:28:56,020
All right, we'll go ahead and have you sit down. Thank you.

1796
01:28:57,330 --> 01:28:58,350
All right, Commissioners.

1797
01:28:58,460 --> 01:28:59,500
So we've had.

1798
01:28:59,620 --> 01:29:01,100
A lot of public comment.

1799
01:29:01,180 --> 01:29:04,140
And e-mail and in person.

1800
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:07,900
And I just.

1801
01:29:10,130 --> 01:29:13,390
For me I'm I'm struggling a little bit with the application.

1802
01:29:13,580 --> 01:29:15,420
As it's been presented to us.

1803
01:29:16,860 --> 01:29:19,180
It's been presented to us as a Red Square.

1804
01:29:19,580 --> 01:29:21,660
Not with specific addresses.

1805
01:29:22,180 --> 01:29:24,340
It's been presented without.

1806
01:29:24,780 --> 01:29:26,060
Visual Support.

1807
01:29:26,140 --> 01:29:28,870
The applicant says he can bring back visual support.

1808
01:29:29,700 --> 01:29:31,940
And in the nicest way I can say this.

1809
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:34,870
We all knew we were coming here tonight for this.

1810
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:37,740
And.

1811
01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:40,860
A large question mark on.

1812
01:29:40,940 --> 01:29:44,540
If I keep hearing the word if, when we plan to.

1813
01:29:44,980 --> 01:29:48,140
On these other properties that are included in this Red Square.

1814
01:29:48,580 --> 01:29:50,780
That he's now saying I don't care if we.

1815
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:52,790
I don't want those.

1816
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:55,550
Properties included yet? I'll come back for those.

1817
01:29:55,740 --> 01:29:57,500
And I think doing carve out.

1818
01:29:58,420 --> 01:30:00,500
Zone text amendment.

1819
01:30:00,940 --> 01:30:02,140
Feels just.

1820
01:30:02,220 --> 01:30:04,260
Really strange and kind of.

1821
01:30:05,490 --> 01:30:09,630
The opposite of what the Holiday village was originally created.

1822
01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:13,060
Around right, like if you look at that map that we have.

1823
01:30:13,540 --> 01:30:19,060
That shows the holiday village with the little square in the middle where the clock tower is and.

1824
01:30:19,420 --> 01:30:20,660
Everything kind of, you know.

1825
01:30:20,860 --> 01:30:22,700
Moves out and down from there.

1826
01:30:23,180 --> 01:30:24,940
Like there's your Town Center.

1827
01:30:27,790 --> 01:30:28,430
And.

1828
01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:34,260
I'm not sure why it was relevant to bring up, but.

1829
01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:36,180
To tell us that there is.

1830
01:30:36,780 --> 01:30:44,140
Toxic soil that would be easier and cheaper to build over than remediate and remove for public safety feels like.

1831
01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:48,260
100% the wrong reason to increase height.

1832
01:30:49,730 --> 01:30:51,310
From my perspective.

1833
01:30:51,860 --> 01:30:57,500
And then also to tell us that we have this really great city that's nowhere like.

1834
01:30:57,740 --> 01:30:59,460
You know anywhere else in Utah?

1835
01:31:00,020 --> 01:31:04,140
But we don't have a crown jewel in it yet, and we need to build it because there's not one in Utah. It feels like talking out of

1836
01:31:04,140 --> 01:31:08,260
both sides, so.

1837
01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:10,820
I just there's, there's a lot I struggle with.

1838
01:31:11,540 --> 01:31:15,830
But when I look at it specifically just from the height perspective.

1839
01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:16,740
Again I.

1840
01:31:17,420 --> 01:31:18,620
Don't understand?

1841
01:31:18,980 --> 01:31:21,460
The the request where it's just.

1842
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:23,260
This large carve.

1843
01:31:23,780 --> 01:31:26,940
Either including buildings that aren't the applicants or.

1844
01:31:27,460 --> 01:31:29,980
Around buildings that aren't the applicants.

1845
01:31:30,220 --> 01:31:33,340
And what does that look like, especially if I live?

1846
01:31:33,700 --> 01:31:34,540
West of it.

1847
01:31:34,660 --> 01:31:39,740
And I'm trying to see Mount Olympus. I mean, I'm hearing. I'll leave it to your discretion if you want to.

1848
01:31:40,220 --> 01:31:42,540
Create step up heights will.

1849
01:31:42,940 --> 01:31:44,100
That's not our job.

1850
01:31:44,540 --> 01:31:50,260
Right. That's that's their job to bring us something to look at and say, OK, that makes sense, let's approve that.

1851
01:31:50,660 --> 01:31:52,820
But I don't think it's our job to say well.

1852
01:31:52,900 --> 01:31:54,380
What you're presented is.

1853
01:31:55,060 --> 01:31:56,500
Very convoluted and.

1854
01:31:56,860 --> 01:31:59,020
I I'm not here to be your design.

1855
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:01,620
Tech So I have a lot of.

1856
01:32:01,700 --> 01:32:05,540
Problems right now with this application as it's been presented to us.

1857
01:32:05,860 --> 01:32:07,820
And I'm not sure continuing it.

1858
01:32:08,260 --> 01:32:09,820
Is going to change that.

1859
01:32:10,710 --> 01:32:16,150
So that's just where my initial thoughts are when I look at this, and now I'll turn to my fellow commissioners to tell me why.

1860
01:32:16,380 --> 01:32:20,580
I might be up in the night on that, but Commissioner Baron, we appreciate your leadership, but.

1861
01:32:21,540 --> 01:32:22,380
Can you tell me?

1862
01:32:22,460 --> 01:32:27,620
On this site it's got Arbor Lane and Holiday Blvd. Which one do you take the measure for the?

1863
01:32:27,780 --> 01:32:28,940
Zero point.

1864
01:32:29,060 --> 01:32:30,140
To measure building height.

1865
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,910
For the 4714 address, it would be from the Arbor.

1866
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:36,300
Lane side OK.

1867
01:32:36,540 --> 01:32:41,740
Building heightened holidays measured from existing grades. So wherever you plunk down your postage stamp.

1868
01:32:42,930 --> 01:32:47,150
The grades before you start is where your maximum grade is going to be measured from.

1869
01:32:47,260 --> 01:32:48,380
But wasn't there.

1870
01:32:49,140 --> 01:32:52,820
A measure that this would be measured off of the curb height or the.

1871
01:32:52,900 --> 01:32:59,340
You know elevation from Holiday Blvd. right? And then it That height is then clarified by using the adjacent curb height.

1872
01:32:59,620 --> 01:33:02,020
So in this case, we would be using Arbor Lane.

1873
01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:08,980
For 30, well the reason I bring that up is if we did measure from hotlog day Blvd. you don't need the height addition.

1874
01:33:09,660 --> 01:33:13,420
It's already built into the property as it descends West.

1875
01:33:13,820 --> 01:33:14,820
The 18 feet.

1876
01:33:14,940 --> 01:33:16,540
So your buildings.

1877
01:33:16,940 --> 01:33:20,060
On the larger part of the property would be 53 feet.

1878
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:23,510
So you don't need the additional.

1879
01:33:24,220 --> 01:33:26,300
You know, 35 at Holiday Blvd. and.

1880
01:33:26,420 --> 01:33:27,300
53 at.

1881
01:33:27,980 --> 01:33:28,780
The West End.

1882
01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:30,700
So anyway.

1883
01:33:30,820 --> 01:33:32,540
That's just the point of clarification.

1884
01:33:33,540 --> 01:33:35,260
I appreciate what the gentleman said.

1885
01:33:35,460 --> 01:33:36,340
Maybe 2 of them.

1886
01:33:36,540 --> 01:33:39,060
That this needs to have more visual.

1887
01:33:39,380 --> 01:33:40,340
To me to.

1888
01:33:41,140 --> 01:33:41,860
I don't think.

1889
01:33:42,020 --> 01:33:43,540
This is something I can do.

1890
01:33:43,620 --> 01:33:44,900
Per se without.

1891
01:33:45,140 --> 01:33:47,140
Seeing the impacts or the.

1892
01:33:47,460 --> 01:33:51,860
How they could mitigate some of the hype? Maybe there's a way to hide some of that so it doesn't.

1893
01:33:52,220 --> 01:33:53,540
Have that same impact.

1894
01:33:54,380 --> 01:33:56,060
Or if there is an impact at all.

1895
01:33:56,580 --> 01:33:58,300
So I think architecture.

1896
01:33:58,540 --> 01:34:03,740
And I don't want to put the applicant in a bind where he has to start designing buildings before his approval.

1897
01:34:04,340 --> 01:34:04,820
But.

1898
01:34:05,300 --> 01:34:06,940
I think it's important to understand.

1899
01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:08,580
How that would look contextually?

1900
01:34:09,620 --> 01:34:11,100
And I like.

1901
01:34:11,500 --> 01:34:13,860
When a developer has aspirations for.

1902
01:34:14,020 --> 01:34:15,620
Designing something that could.

1903
01:34:15,700 --> 01:34:17,900
A statement and I think.

1904
01:34:18,220 --> 01:34:20,540
This could easily be a gateway to the.

1905
01:34:20,700 --> 01:34:22,100
To the holiday village.

1906
01:34:22,780 --> 01:34:26,750
And to me, I don't see anything wrong with having another significant project.

1907
01:34:27,140 --> 01:34:28,100
At this point.

1908
01:34:28,340 --> 01:34:28,940
But.

1909
01:34:29,660 --> 01:34:30,980
I agree with Dennis or.

1910
01:34:31,420 --> 01:34:33,740
The chair? I don't think we're there yet.

1911
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:36,030
So I'm trying to get some.

1912
01:34:36,220 --> 01:34:39,220
Direction maybe from staff on how we could proceed with this.

1913
01:34:40,340 --> 01:34:43,340
If we deny this, that's another year and so.

1914
01:34:43,860 --> 01:34:46,150
I don't necessarily want to do that, but.

1915
01:34:46,860 --> 01:34:48,980
I'll wait till I hear from the rest of the Commission.

1916
01:34:49,660 --> 01:34:50,420
If I may.

1917
01:34:51,420 --> 01:34:52,540
Because you are.

1918
01:34:52,700 --> 01:34:57,820
Provided with some elevator, some aerial view, some 2 dimensional aerial views. I mean there's some.

1919
01:34:58,660 --> 01:35:01,860
Images in there of some conceptual buildings in the.

1920
01:35:02,020 --> 01:35:03,180
And the applicants.

1921
01:35:03,340 --> 01:35:04,260
Presentation.

1922
01:35:04,780 --> 01:35:10,590
But a general cross section of what they potentially could be looking at may be helpful.

1923
01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:12,660
I wouldn't get.

1924
01:35:13,020 --> 01:35:18,740
Tremendously specific, but at least something that shows a view from Arbor Lane how that wood building would be stepped.

1925
01:35:19,740 --> 01:35:24,460
According to what is currently proposed, at 35 feet, what the potential?

1926
01:35:24,580 --> 01:35:26,540
Could be for the rest of the site.

1927
01:35:26,780 --> 01:35:29,780
OK, that could be something that could be looked at.

1928
01:35:30,300 --> 01:35:31,340
Or at least.

1929
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:32,580
As you consider.

1930
01:35:32,660 --> 01:35:33,300
The amendment.

1931
01:35:33,700 --> 01:35:34,860
At least clarify.

1932
01:35:35,260 --> 01:35:36,380
The location of the amendment.

1933
01:35:37,100 --> 01:35:41,390
OK, the one thing that staff is still concerned about is.

1934
01:35:41,820 --> 01:35:44,780
It is a carve out. There are other properties.

1935
01:35:44,860 --> 01:35:48,100
Just budding to the north, that would have the 35 feet.

1936
01:35:48,500 --> 01:35:51,380
That if we were to consider this type of height.

1937
01:35:51,620 --> 01:35:52,900
The cross section.

1938
01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:54,100
Consideration.

1939
01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:58,280
We should be looking at it across that whole West side of the street as well, but that's my point of view of that as as

1940
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:02,060
administrator of the code.

1941
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:05,950
Commissioner Gom thoughts.

1942
01:36:06,460 --> 01:36:11,340
I thought it was smarter the applicant to include.

1943
01:36:11,500 --> 01:36:13,500
Those sort of two-dimensional just.

1944
01:36:14,580 --> 01:36:16,900
Conceptual drawings, because I quite liked them.

1945
01:36:17,460 --> 01:36:18,300
I thought that.

1946
01:36:19,340 --> 01:36:20,620
The sense of.

1947
01:36:22,220 --> 01:36:27,110
You know, green space versus building was really nice. It didn't just feel like a block of density.

1948
01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:29,020
But, you know, appropriate.

1949
01:36:29,140 --> 01:36:31,340
Appropriate density in a downtown.

1950
01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:36,660
And you know, having those interesting lanes and stuff. So, so I quite liked it. That was it. That was a good move. I think for

1951
01:36:36,660 --> 01:36:40,260
me, this feels.

1952
01:36:40,580 --> 01:36:44,700
Premature because we don't know what the status of those two additional.

1953
01:36:44,940 --> 01:36:47,740
Properties at the front are going to be and so to give a blanket.

1954
01:36:49,060 --> 01:36:51,820
Height changed to this whole thing.

1955
01:36:52,540 --> 01:36:55,660
I gives me pause because it's not.

1956
01:36:55,740 --> 01:36:57,220
Guaranteed that they would.

1957
01:36:57,340 --> 01:36:59,060
Be part of this vision or.

1958
01:36:59,420 --> 01:37:01,140
That what might happen there.

1959
01:37:02,500 --> 01:37:03,540
Would be.

1960
01:37:04,620 --> 01:37:05,940
You know would.

1961
01:37:06,580 --> 01:37:08,820
Be nice and beautiful and stunning.

1962
01:37:08,980 --> 01:37:10,420
And I know that there are other.

1963
01:37:10,500 --> 01:37:14,140
You know codes that apply to the Holiday village zone but.

1964
01:37:14,780 --> 01:37:15,460
I think.

1965
01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:18,340
Approving the height change without.

1966
01:37:18,700 --> 01:37:19,780
That in place.

1967
01:37:19,860 --> 01:37:24,820
Does make me nervous. I do appreciate the three-dimensional chess that the applicant is trying to do, which is.

1968
01:37:25,180 --> 01:37:27,460
Yeah, be able to.

1969
01:37:27,540 --> 01:37:28,380
Be able to.

1970
01:37:29,460 --> 01:37:33,340
You know, leverage what's allowed and prices so that.

1971
01:37:33,420 --> 01:37:34,900
I think that makes it very hard.

1972
01:37:36,420 --> 01:37:41,300
But as a commissioner, I don't think I want to approve this. At this point, I would be interested.

1973
01:37:41,420 --> 01:37:41,740
Though.

1974
01:37:42,940 --> 01:37:43,900
You know, at a.

1975
01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:45,180
At a future point.

1976
01:37:45,620 --> 01:37:47,980
With all of the property in place.

1977
01:37:48,220 --> 01:37:49,060
If there's a.

1978
01:37:49,140 --> 01:37:51,980
If there's a vision where it's compelling to say.

1979
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:55,100
Here's here's specific places in the property where.

1980
01:37:55,180 --> 01:37:56,940
A step of height might make sense.

1981
01:37:57,220 --> 01:37:59,740
This is what it looks like. This is how it can actually work.

1982
01:38:00,020 --> 01:38:01,660
To me, I'd be open for that.

1983
01:38:02,340 --> 01:38:04,420
But at this point just the the block.

1984
01:38:05,450 --> 01:38:10,030
Allowance for this doesn't make sense. I also think that it is really important.

1985
01:38:10,140 --> 01:38:11,140
This is part of the.

1986
01:38:11,860 --> 01:38:15,100
This beautiful downtown that many people spoke about that that they.

1987
01:38:15,220 --> 01:38:17,740
Really love and are proud of and I I agree I think.

1988
01:38:18,020 --> 01:38:21,940
The city has developed this really beautifully and just have that sense of coherence.

1989
01:38:22,180 --> 01:38:25,980
There are lots of really minute details that would feed into that.

1990
01:38:26,700 --> 01:38:30,460
But I think height is one of them and so again I'm reluctant to.

1991
01:38:31,020 --> 01:38:35,940
To change something that would make it feel less cohesive and feel like as you're walking from.

1992
01:38:36,420 --> 01:38:38,140
City Hall and City Hall Park.

1993
01:38:38,740 --> 01:38:42,420
All the way through to Arbor Lane or you know, Cottonwood or something.

1994
01:38:42,940 --> 01:38:48,540
To have it feel like it somehow doesn't match and I think most people wouldn't notice it if something were built but.

1995
01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:52,260
This is this is part of our job is to make sure that.

1996
01:38:52,620 --> 01:38:54,060
Things feel coherent.

1997
01:38:54,740 --> 01:38:57,100
And so I think that gives me pause as well.

1998
01:38:58,750 --> 01:38:59,670
Commissioner Pullen.

1999
01:39:00,380 --> 01:39:01,660
I agree that the.

2000
01:39:01,780 --> 01:39:04,380
Two-dimensional rendition is very.

2001
01:39:04,500 --> 01:39:05,100
Pretty.

2002
01:39:06,860 --> 01:39:09,580
Certainly at some point in the future.

2003
01:39:09,940 --> 01:39:10,900
Something.

2004
01:39:10,980 --> 01:39:12,180
Needs to be on.

2005
01:39:12,340 --> 01:39:13,940
That piece of property.

2006
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:19,015
It's a little bit presumptuous to be presenting a plan to us that includes the buildings in the front, given that the developer

2007
01:39:19,015 --> 01:39:22,830
doesn't.

2008
01:39:22,980 --> 01:39:25,100
Own those buildings at this point.

2009
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,790
I am really concerned.

2010
01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:31,260
For the future.

2011
01:39:31,340 --> 01:39:33,750
Of the village, if we approve this.

2012
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:36,710
Because 50 feet is 50 feet.

2013
01:39:37,470 --> 01:39:43,190
And so we can say, well, look at the slope of this.

2014
01:39:43,580 --> 01:39:45,300
Of this property and.

2015
01:39:45,660 --> 01:39:48,340
It can be designed so that 50 feet doesn't.

2016
01:39:48,820 --> 01:39:51,140
Seems so onerous.

2017
01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:56,540
And it could be beautiful because the property slopes to the back and so forth.

2018
01:39:56,700 --> 01:40:01,360
But 50 feet is still 50 feet, so if we approve this, and what's to say another developer isn't going to come along in 10 years and

2019
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:06,020
buy the property?

2020
01:40:06,580 --> 01:40:09,220
That includes Crown Burger and.

2021
01:40:09,860 --> 01:40:11,860
Wonderland and and that.

2022
01:40:11,940 --> 01:40:16,340
Piece of property and just put a 50 foot building over there because now.

2023
01:40:16,420 --> 01:40:17,100
You know, umm.

2024
01:40:18,380 --> 01:40:18,900
He's gonna.

2025
01:40:19,380 --> 01:40:24,950
Say, well, you approved 50 feet on that piece of property, so why can't I get a 50 foot?

2026
01:40:25,140 --> 01:40:27,980
Variance, so I'm concerned about creep.

2027
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:36,340
And that I'm concerned about the village and the character of the village that everybody spoke so eloquently about.

2028
01:40:36,860 --> 01:40:37,380
So.

2029
01:40:37,980 --> 01:40:44,150
That that is my primary concern. I think this developer would put something beautiful on this property.

2030
01:40:44,340 --> 01:40:44,780
But I am.

2031
01:40:46,020 --> 01:40:51,460
Reluctant to approve a change that would allow for a 50 foot tall.

2032
01:40:51,860 --> 01:40:52,580
Structure.

2033
01:40:53,810 --> 01:40:54,670
Commissioner Trevany.

2034
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,920
You know, I don't know that I've got a whole lot to add to this because I think of.

2035
01:41:01,420 --> 01:41:02,900
In pretty much an agreement with.

2036
01:41:03,380 --> 01:41:04,460
Others around me.

2037
01:41:07,100 --> 01:41:08,780
The one thing having to do?

2038
01:41:09,020 --> 01:41:11,460
I mean, one of the things when we talked about the 50.

2039
01:41:11,540 --> 01:41:13,500
Foot was that?

2040
01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:15,820
That would allow them to have parking underneath.

2041
01:41:15,900 --> 01:41:17,060
The buildings.

2042
01:41:17,340 --> 01:41:20,060
At the ground level and actually.

2043
01:41:20,930 --> 01:41:23,190
I think maybe I would suggest it.

2044
01:41:23,300 --> 01:41:24,660
Maybe it would be better off?

2045
01:41:24,900 --> 01:41:25,660
That.

2046
01:41:26,220 --> 01:41:28,020
Buried underneath the ground and.

2047
01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:31,700
And the ground level actually looks like what we're looking at here.

2048
01:41:33,020 --> 01:41:34,460
And not this.

2049
01:41:34,580 --> 01:41:36,350
Being the second level and.

2050
01:41:36,460 --> 01:41:38,340
Then there would be parking under.

2051
01:41:38,460 --> 01:41:40,060
At the first level.

2052
01:41:40,660 --> 01:41:43,180
So to me I think that.

2053
01:41:44,180 --> 01:41:45,980
I don't really have a whole lot more to add.

2054
01:41:46,060 --> 01:41:47,780
This I guess is what I'm saying.

2055
01:41:47,980 --> 01:41:53,660
Maybe I either take the suggestion we make to the public and just say Ditto and all right and move on.

2056
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:55,060
Particularly noted.

2057
01:41:55,220 --> 01:41:56,220
Commissioner Cunningham.

2058
01:41:56,740 --> 01:42:01,620
Just a couple of thoughts. 1 is that this is a very unusual situation.

2059
01:42:02,900 --> 01:42:03,740
The city.

2060
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:06,620
Had this debate 10 years ago and made.

2061
01:42:06,780 --> 01:42:08,020
Bunch of very.

2062
01:42:09,010 --> 01:42:11,030
Important decisions to the city.

2063
01:42:11,220 --> 01:42:12,340
To the point that they.

2064
01:42:12,420 --> 01:42:14,540
Lowered the existing zone.

2065
01:42:14,900 --> 01:42:15,980
For what they wanted.

2066
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:17,820
OK, they didn't raise it.

2067
01:42:17,900 --> 01:42:18,780
They lowered it.

2068
01:42:19,500 --> 01:42:21,220
OK. And that?

2069
01:42:22,540 --> 01:42:23,700
And I think you have.

2070
01:42:24,100 --> 01:42:25,620
Give some deference to that.

2071
01:42:25,940 --> 01:42:29,700
Now we're not going to make the decision, we're just making a recommendation.

2072
01:42:30,580 --> 01:42:33,660
This is the Council's job as the elected official and.

2073
01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:35,980
Officials in the end.

2074
01:42:36,340 --> 01:42:39,780
And they may have a different view than the Council 10 years ago.

2075
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:41,230
I don't know.

2076
01:42:41,380 --> 01:42:44,980
You might get a chance to see if it gets on a City Council agenda.

2077
01:42:45,700 --> 01:42:49,580
And that, but I I am inclined to give a lot of deference to.

2078
01:42:50,060 --> 01:42:52,100
The planning that went into.

2079
01:42:52,260 --> 01:42:54,940
This whole area, they made a decision.

2080
01:42:55,420 --> 01:42:58,060
About what the height would be on this lot.

2081
01:42:58,990 --> 01:42:59,150
OK.

2082
01:43:01,500 --> 01:43:02,740
Put it on the map and.

2083
01:43:03,140 --> 01:43:04,180
Put the crayon out.

2084
01:43:04,380 --> 01:43:08,380
The cross hatches and everything else, and I think you have to give a lot of deference to that.

2085
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:10,460
I am concerned that.

2086
01:43:10,820 --> 01:43:13,820
We build a Town Center and yeah, we can shift.

2087
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:14,540
Part of it.

2088
01:43:14,620 --> 01:43:16,100
To an entrance way.

2089
01:43:16,260 --> 01:43:19,500
I don't think you make the entrance way higher than the center.

2090
01:43:21,100 --> 01:43:22,940
The other thought I've had and and.

2091
01:43:23,500 --> 01:43:26,220
If we make a recommendation tonight.

2092
01:43:27,660 --> 01:43:28,460
And that.

2093
01:43:29,140 --> 01:43:31,300
And then the Council acts on it.

2094
01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:37,860
The developers precluded, as I understand it for a year for asking for it again, if both of us to.

2095
01:43:38,020 --> 01:43:40,540
Saying no to the height, is that correct?

2096
01:43:43,730 --> 01:43:44,810
So Utah code.

2097
01:43:45,660 --> 01:43:47,220
It has to be an identical.

2098
01:43:47,540 --> 01:43:50,340
Kind of application. You can't bring the same application back.

2099
01:43:50,580 --> 01:43:51,620
That was denied.

2100
01:43:52,060 --> 01:43:52,700
For a year.

2101
01:43:54,180 --> 01:43:55,910
So it was 51 feet.

2102
01:43:56,420 --> 01:43:57,260
It could come back.

2103
01:43:57,340 --> 01:44:00,900
OK, an idea. So I guess what I'm.

2104
01:44:01,380 --> 01:44:02,340
Hinting at.

2105
01:44:02,500 --> 01:44:04,220
For the developer to consider.

2106
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,560
Is whether you really want an answer from us tonight.

2107
01:44:09,250 --> 01:44:09,690
Question.

2108
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,470
You can withdraw your application.

2109
01:44:17,540 --> 01:44:19,580
Our attorney will tell us how that would happen.

2110
01:44:22,060 --> 01:44:24,420
Jerry, you could just invite the applicant back up and if the.

2111
01:44:24,540 --> 01:44:29,020
And wishes to do that. It resolves the application and allows the developer to bring it back with.

2112
01:44:29,220 --> 01:44:31,060
At a future point.

2113
01:44:31,620 --> 01:44:33,500
Without any penalties or anything like that.

2114
01:44:37,700 --> 01:44:39,660
And I appreciate that.

2115
01:44:42,300 --> 01:44:43,580
And I think for me it's just.

2116
01:44:44,770 --> 01:44:46,990
When I invite applicants to.

2117
01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:49,620
Rethink and bow out of those type of.

2118
01:44:50,220 --> 01:44:51,460
Applications.

2119
01:44:52,940 --> 01:44:54,510
It's done under maybe.

2120
01:44:54,780 --> 01:44:57,100
They you know.

2121
01:44:57,580 --> 01:44:59,540
Weren't aware or you know, over.

2122
01:44:59,620 --> 01:45:00,820
Stepped or.

2123
01:45:02,060 --> 01:45:03,820
Some part of the plan wasn't.

2124
01:45:03,900 --> 01:45:06,740
You know, presented correctly. I don't know.

2125
01:45:07,460 --> 01:45:12,540
In four months, six months, 8 months, if this comes back before this Commission.

2126
01:45:13,460 --> 01:45:15,020
I or from what it sounds like.

2127
01:45:15,100 --> 01:45:17,780
From about half of you are going to feel any differently.

2128
01:45:18,180 --> 01:45:19,620
If we have pictures.

2129
01:45:20,220 --> 01:45:23,340
Or anything else for it to be 50 feet high.

2130
01:45:24,530 --> 01:45:25,470
You know what I mean?

2131
01:45:25,900 --> 01:45:29,540
Like and he can present it at 49 if he wants to bring it back tomorrow.

2132
01:45:30,670 --> 01:45:32,070
Right. So that's just.

2133
01:45:32,180 --> 01:45:34,830
That's where my thought goes on it, because we did have.

2134
01:45:35,260 --> 01:45:40,270
Quite a few members of the public come out tonight for this and I hate to make everyone relive that moment.

2135
01:45:41,090 --> 01:45:42,230
For those reasons.

2136
01:45:42,660 --> 01:45:43,300
Right.

2137
01:45:43,460 --> 01:45:44,300
Now I don't.

2138
01:45:44,380 --> 01:45:46,790
And per the applicant, he's got three years.

2139
01:45:47,220 --> 01:45:50,920
So even if you can't bring back the same application for a year, he's still got two more years before he has to worry about doing

2140
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:54,620
anything with it.

2141
01:45:54,820 --> 01:45:56,580
With the current lease that's on there.

2142
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:01,000
So that's that's the only reason why I'm kind of like kind of just.

2143
01:46:01,220 --> 01:46:03,140
Make a decision to move on, but.

2144
01:46:04,820 --> 01:46:08,100
I'll look to my fellow commissioners to nudge me in which direction you.

2145
01:46:08,220 --> 01:46:13,260
Think is the the right direction to go here and then we can invite the applicant up.

2146
01:46:14,110 --> 01:46:18,310
One other option that you would have is just to continue it without a date.

2147
01:46:20,300 --> 01:46:21,750
And you don't have to.

2148
01:46:21,980 --> 01:46:26,220
Allow it to be, but the applicant at that point could make amendments to it and have it come back.

2149
01:46:26,740 --> 01:46:27,740
That's another option.

2150
01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:33,020
And I, I tend, you know, I'm not telling you what to do. It's I defer to you, but.

2151
01:46:34,380 --> 01:46:36,430
I don't necessarily think.

2152
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:42,430
I would tend to defer to an applicant if they're willing to.

2153
01:46:42,540 --> 01:46:44,020
Withdrawn and make some changes.

2154
01:46:44,580 --> 01:46:47,220
We're not here to penalize anybody. We're here to.

2155
01:46:47,340 --> 01:46:48,820
Process applications and if.

2156
01:46:49,140 --> 01:46:50,620
I would allow the applicant to.

2157
01:46:51,220 --> 01:46:53,030
Make some changes if they would like to do that.

2158
01:46:53,300 --> 01:46:54,380
I think that's probably a.

2159
01:46:54,700 --> 01:46:56,910
From a public policy standpoint, probably.

2160
01:46:57,890 --> 01:46:59,710
Not necessarily to waste your time.

2161
01:46:59,820 --> 01:47:00,460
But to.

2162
01:47:00,820 --> 01:47:03,060
Get a better product I guess and a better result.

2163
01:47:04,140 --> 01:47:05,980
Maybe that's kind of how I would put that.

2164
01:47:06,300 --> 01:47:12,020
And see, This is why Council gets paid the big bucks, because they're smarter than I am, right? So.

2165
01:47:13,820 --> 01:47:14,820
And you know I.

2166
01:47:15,180 --> 01:47:16,100
That makes sense to me.

2167
01:47:16,220 --> 01:47:16,980
And I'm with that.

2168
01:47:17,380 --> 01:47:19,260
And I'm certainly not trying to penalize and I.

2169
01:47:19,540 --> 01:47:22,380
Appreciate that you do want to build something great in our community.

2170
01:47:23,700 --> 01:47:24,460
Like I say, just.

2171
01:47:24,540 --> 01:47:28,180
For what's presented. So that said, if you want to come up and withdraw.

2172
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:31,000
Because I don't.

2173
01:47:31,540 --> 01:47:36,340
I think he's recommending he can withdraw or continue. Aren't they essentially the same thing?

2174
01:47:37,060 --> 01:47:38,260
Well, withdraw means.

2175
01:47:38,340 --> 01:47:39,540
You'd have to start over.

2176
01:47:39,740 --> 01:47:41,300
Continue means I can amend.

2177
01:47:41,900 --> 01:47:43,300
We would rather withdraw.

2178
01:47:43,380 --> 01:47:46,710
The application and come back with some more visuals.

2179
01:47:47,020 --> 01:47:49,900
And hopefully present something that would be amenable to.

2180
01:47:50,060 --> 01:47:51,140
The Commission. OK.

2181
01:47:51,620 --> 01:47:54,660
I support that, so thank you we'll we'll.

2182
01:47:55,220 --> 01:47:57,780
Move that to the withdraw pile.

2183
01:47:57,900 --> 01:47:58,580
And uh.

2184
01:47:59,580 --> 01:48:01,300
Maybe a recommendation?

2185
01:48:01,380 --> 01:48:07,180
Just from what this Planning Commission has seen in the past, a couple public meetings from neighbors.

2186
01:48:08,260 --> 01:48:10,340
On what it is you're looking at in the future.

2187
01:48:10,700 --> 01:48:14,460
Would maybe be helpful for any future plans that you bring before us.

2188
01:48:14,900 --> 01:48:17,580
Because that definitely helps when you have public support.

2189
01:48:18,180 --> 01:48:18,900
Already.

2190
01:48:18,980 --> 01:48:21,340
Initiated, if that makes sense So.

2191
01:48:21,660 --> 01:48:22,500
With that.

2192
01:48:22,740 --> 01:48:23,860
We will move well.

2193
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:25,540
We'll give a quick.

2194
01:48:25,620 --> 01:48:28,940
2 minute break because I'm sure there's a lot of people that don't want to hang out for the rest of these so they can shuffle out

2195
01:48:28,940 --> 01:48:32,260
here so.

2196
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:35,220
Just taking a quick pause.

2197
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:43,270
I agree.

2198
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:05,990
And one question I've forgotten, John, maybe you know this or Carrie.

2199
01:49:06,700 --> 01:49:08,060
I'm just curious how many?

2200
01:49:08,340 --> 01:49:10,140
Townhomes could actually be put.

2201
01:49:10,580 --> 01:49:11,220
On that.

2202
01:49:11,420 --> 01:49:12,540
Three acre lot.

2203
01:49:12,660 --> 01:49:13,860
As it's currently zoned.

2204
01:49:18,010 --> 01:49:20,590
The village maxes out at 24 units an acre.

2205
01:49:21,490 --> 01:49:23,030
So they could potentially.

2206
01:49:23,420 --> 01:49:24,740
Put in like.

2207
01:49:25,340 --> 01:49:26,900
75 units in there.

2208
01:49:28,590 --> 01:49:32,310
And that was part of that was the other part of the moratorium study.

2209
01:49:32,460 --> 01:49:33,500
Was density.

2210
01:49:33,740 --> 01:49:37,420
Previously, when the when the village was conceived, there wasn't a density.

2211
01:49:37,740 --> 01:49:40,780
Allowance if you could build it under the Max heights and you could park it.

2212
01:49:41,480 --> 01:49:42,790
Didn't matter how many units were there.

2213
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:47,350
However, council at the time, in 2016, had a different opinion.

2214
01:49:47,740 --> 01:49:48,460
When some.

2215
01:49:48,660 --> 01:49:50,420
Buildings were eventually finished.

2216
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:55,700
And that was changed to a density cap of 24 units an acre.

2217
01:49:56,220 --> 01:49:57,340
And then the current.

2218
01:49:57,740 --> 01:49:59,740
Height allowances that you see now.

2219
01:50:00,990 --> 01:50:04,510
Gotcha. So I mean it still could be quite a big project.

2220
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:10,350
It's it's the if not close to the second largest piece of ground.

2221
01:50:10,460 --> 01:50:11,190
In the village.

2222
01:50:11,420 --> 01:50:13,660
Right, the other being the the.

2223
01:50:13,860 --> 01:50:16,780
Parcels that we assembled for the clock tower buildings.

2224
01:50:17,340 --> 01:50:18,140
So even if he.

2225
01:50:18,260 --> 01:50:23,820
Doesn't come back with density, it says it's a wash. I'll just go with what code says he could still put.

2226
01:50:24,260 --> 01:50:27,260
73 units in there if you can figure out how to park it.

2227
01:50:27,340 --> 01:50:28,300
Yeah, OK.

2228
01:50:28,820 --> 01:50:32,400
That's just what I was curious on. I didn't get to it before, but that's OK. He withdrew. I'm just curious for my own edification,

2229
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:35,980
so thank you for that.

2230
01:50:36,580 --> 01:50:40,880
All right, so our two minutes is up and we will move on to item number 4, which is the arts and culture land use within the

2231
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:45,180
Holiday Village zone.

2232
01:50:45,260 --> 01:50:47,340
And John, you're walking us through this one.

2233
01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:53,510
Yes, thank you, Chair, this.

2234
01:50:53,740 --> 01:50:55,140
Item tonight is.

2235
01:50:55,700 --> 01:50:57,100
And basically.

2236
01:50:57,180 --> 01:50:58,420
An introduction.

2237
01:50:58,540 --> 01:51:00,740
To a new land, use that.

2238
01:51:01,380 --> 01:51:05,620
Doesn't currently exist not only within the village, but it doesn't currently exist in the city.

2239
01:51:06,860 --> 01:51:08,460
Of holiday as a land use.

2240
01:51:09,020 --> 01:51:11,820
What's being proposed is to amend.

2241
01:51:11,900 --> 01:51:13,460
There's Holiday Village.

2242
01:51:13,580 --> 01:51:15,780
Ordinance which requires.

2243
01:51:16,020 --> 01:51:19,940
Ground level spaces of retail of buildings to be retail only.

2244
01:51:21,330 --> 01:51:22,590
That was a concept.

2245
01:51:22,700 --> 01:51:24,060
To preserve.

2246
01:51:24,340 --> 01:51:25,700
Commercial tax revenue.

2247
01:51:26,140 --> 01:51:30,260
Of the village while the Cottonwood Mall was being developed, among other reasons.

2248
01:51:31,140 --> 01:51:32,260
In order to.

2249
01:51:32,660 --> 01:51:34,180
Sustained and.

2250
01:51:34,700 --> 01:51:37,900
Attain the goals of the holiday village as a master planned.

2251
01:51:38,460 --> 01:51:39,620
Village Community.

2252
01:51:40,500 --> 01:51:48,020
Over the years, those retail spaces have looked to other types of accessory uses as popularity begins.

2253
01:51:48,380 --> 01:51:51,340
To to take place within the village as a very active.

2254
01:51:51,700 --> 01:51:52,700
And vibrant.

2255
01:51:53,140 --> 01:51:54,340
Walkable community.

2256
01:51:54,420 --> 01:51:56,980
As of all the notions that we just heard.

2257
01:51:57,660 --> 01:51:58,700
Through public comment.

2258
01:52:00,340 --> 01:52:02,260
Specifically the time.

2259
01:52:02,340 --> 01:52:07,540
I think is appropriate for staff to propose in conjunction with.

2260
01:52:08,220 --> 01:52:09,940
A couple of business owners.

2261
01:52:10,300 --> 01:52:11,620
Some accessory uses.

2262
01:52:12,930 --> 01:52:13,990
Mainly targeted.

2263
01:52:14,860 --> 01:52:16,820
To this idea of introducing.

2264
01:52:17,220 --> 01:52:18,260
Arts and culture.

2265
01:52:18,340 --> 01:52:19,700
As a place making.

2266
01:52:19,780 --> 01:52:20,460
Method.

2267
01:52:21,140 --> 01:52:22,420
Within the holiday village.

2268
01:52:23,300 --> 01:52:26,500
The purpose of this staff report is to introduce that idea.

2269
01:52:27,220 --> 01:52:29,590
Nothing in here is intended to be.

2270
01:52:29,700 --> 01:52:33,580
Permanent. This is intended to be more of a conversation.

2271
01:52:33,660 --> 01:52:34,580
And a flowing.

2272
01:52:35,060 --> 01:52:36,740
Our living document, so to speak.

2273
01:52:37,180 --> 01:52:41,900
As the idea of an arts and culture land use as accessory to retail.

2274
01:52:42,260 --> 01:52:47,510
Is developed through conversation with the Planning Commission and business owners and the community, obviously.

2275
01:52:48,740 --> 01:52:50,020
Staff has provided.

2276
01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:53,060
The Planning Commission sort of an outline as to what the village.

2277
01:52:53,860 --> 01:52:55,060
Is intended to.

2278
01:52:55,500 --> 01:52:57,900
Produce as a place.

2279
01:52:58,140 --> 01:52:59,660
Idea for the community.

2280
01:53:00,020 --> 01:53:01,820
As well as some nods.

2281
01:53:01,900 --> 01:53:04,140
To our recently adopted general plan.

2282
01:53:04,340 --> 01:53:07,460
Which talk about placemaking and arts and culture as.

2283
01:53:07,740 --> 01:53:09,700
As a very high level.

2284
01:53:10,060 --> 01:53:12,060
Element that the community has.

2285
01:53:13,060 --> 01:53:15,860
Responded to when we went through the practice of.

2286
01:53:16,020 --> 01:53:19,300
Retaining comments for a long range envisioning process.

2287
01:53:19,620 --> 01:53:20,420
The idea of.

2288
01:53:20,540 --> 01:53:21,220
Having.

2289
01:53:21,300 --> 01:53:22,380
The arts and.

2290
01:53:23,260 --> 01:53:27,740
Music being included in a lot of the elements within the parks, in our public spaces came up a lot and it was, it was included in

2291
01:53:27,740 --> 01:53:32,220
a lot of the goals.

2292
01:53:34,220 --> 01:53:37,180
And action plans of the the Holiday Master Plan.

2293
01:53:37,940 --> 01:53:38,900
Which was adopted?

2294
01:53:38,980 --> 01:53:39,900
Late last year.

2295
01:53:41,450 --> 01:53:44,750
The staff is provided as you can see a small table.

2296
01:53:44,900 --> 01:53:47,020
In your staff report, Which?

2297
01:53:47,500 --> 01:53:50,420
Shows some land uses as far as intensity.

2298
01:53:51,060 --> 01:53:54,060
I stole this from.

2299
01:53:54,340 --> 01:53:55,980
Some arts and culture.

2300
01:53:56,380 --> 01:53:59,900
Guides from other cities that they've used to create.

2301
01:54:00,140 --> 01:54:01,500
These types of active.

2302
01:54:01,700 --> 01:54:04,030
Vibrant uses as placemaking measures.

2303
01:54:04,980 --> 01:54:05,980
In their cities.

2304
01:54:06,780 --> 01:54:11,940
So this can be just looked at as an example. This isn't something that I'm proposing to be.

2305
01:54:12,540 --> 01:54:13,820
Is set in stone, but.

2306
01:54:14,500 --> 01:54:16,260
Down the left side you can see.

2307
01:54:16,380 --> 01:54:18,460
As far as intensity of use.

2308
01:54:19,300 --> 01:54:20,500
Moving to the right.

2309
01:54:20,940 --> 01:54:21,900
How these?

2310
01:54:22,020 --> 01:54:22,980
Different types of.

2311
01:54:23,340 --> 01:54:24,780
Art galleries and.

2312
01:54:25,480 --> 01:54:28,510
Artistic art studios can increase in.

2313
01:54:28,820 --> 01:54:29,740
Intensity.

2314
01:54:29,820 --> 01:54:31,780
As you look at maybe.

2315
01:54:31,980 --> 01:54:35,940
Applying that type of land use to other zones like the C2 zone.

2316
01:54:36,460 --> 01:54:38,260
Or the HCR zone.

2317
01:54:39,410 --> 01:54:40,770
The idea of.

2318
01:54:41,020 --> 01:54:41,900
Bringing in.

2319
01:54:42,140 --> 01:54:44,620
More a higher level of.

2320
01:54:45,140 --> 01:54:47,190
Attendance to recitals or.

2321
01:54:47,420 --> 01:54:51,230
Art galleries, that type of thing can be considered that way.

2322
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:55,030
However, I mean that just just something to start the comment.

2323
01:54:56,220 --> 01:54:58,500
So does.

2324
01:54:59,940 --> 01:55:02,260
Like an art studio.

2325
01:55:02,820 --> 01:55:04,580
Is that not a commercial?

2326
01:55:04,660 --> 01:55:07,060
Like don't they sell art and art studios?

2327
01:55:07,420 --> 01:55:11,100
Not necessarily people and some artists are just looking for a place to paint.

2328
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:14,310
So and if they want to display.

2329
01:55:14,540 --> 01:55:15,700
What they're doing and.

2330
01:55:16,460 --> 01:55:19,590
They can. It can definitely be done within that space.

2331
01:55:20,730 --> 01:55:22,550
But that would not necessarily be.

2332
01:55:22,660 --> 01:55:25,900
The would not constitute a primary retail use.

2333
01:55:26,300 --> 01:55:27,820
That would not bring in.

2334
01:55:27,900 --> 01:55:32,380
The the leases that were required to occupy.

2335
01:55:32,460 --> 01:55:33,540
Some of the spaces in the.

2336
01:55:34,860 --> 01:55:36,580
So if you had an example.

2337
01:55:37,950 --> 01:55:40,870
A. If for example.

2338
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:44,190
Mint. That restaurant.

2339
01:55:44,300 --> 01:55:49,020
Want to display art from an artist that is using the space above?

2340
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:51,630
That could be the accessory use.

2341
01:55:51,780 --> 01:55:54,180
To the main primary use, which would be the restaurant.

2342
01:55:56,270 --> 01:56:00,950
OK, so I mentioned that this is a.

2343
01:56:01,140 --> 01:56:03,420
Cooperation sort of application.

2344
01:56:04,500 --> 01:56:06,870
I have a property owner here who?

2345
01:56:07,020 --> 01:56:09,350
Business owners who just moved into the village.

2346
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:13,380
Which has brought Steinway and Sons.

2347
01:56:14,300 --> 01:56:15,580
Pianos to the village.

2348
01:56:16,460 --> 01:56:18,460
Obviously there's a component that runs with that.

2349
01:56:19,460 --> 01:56:22,380
That currently is not allowed as far as.

2350
01:56:23,060 --> 01:56:24,980
A recital type situation.

2351
01:56:25,970 --> 01:56:32,410
The village just does not have that type of allowance right now. You would define it as a reception or a gathering.

2352
01:56:32,850 --> 01:56:36,330
And that type of land use was.

2353
01:56:36,610 --> 01:56:37,450
Conceived of.

2354
01:56:37,810 --> 01:56:40,490
As more of an intense use that draws a lot of traffic.

2355
01:56:41,890 --> 01:56:44,650
But if it were something less intense like.

2356
01:56:44,730 --> 01:56:47,020
Something that we could be considering tonight.

2357
01:56:47,490 --> 01:56:48,170
It could be a.

2358
01:56:49,210 --> 01:56:52,250
Both a boost to the community as far as.

2359
01:56:52,810 --> 01:56:53,810
Creating some.

2360
01:56:54,130 --> 01:56:55,730
After hours activity.

2361
01:56:56,170 --> 01:56:58,250
Within the village and something that can.

2362
01:56:58,330 --> 01:57:02,290
At the the primary tenant of that space can use as an accessory use.

2363
01:57:03,140 --> 01:57:04,740
Not only to bolster their agreement.

2364
01:57:04,930 --> 01:57:07,170
But to provide something different for.

2365
01:57:07,290 --> 01:57:09,570
Different use for the village to create some.

2366
01:57:09,650 --> 01:57:10,250
Really. Uh.

2367
01:57:10,650 --> 01:57:13,060
Rich land uses that would be.

2368
01:57:13,250 --> 01:57:14,210
Beneficial in the long.

2369
01:57:15,340 --> 01:57:18,060
I love supporting the arts and the concept behind it.

2370
01:57:19,090 --> 01:57:23,490
You did hit the nail on the head with the increased traffic density though, like.

2371
01:57:23,890 --> 01:57:25,570
You talk about a recital at.

2372
01:57:26,410 --> 01:57:28,410
6:30 in the afternoon.

2373
01:57:28,810 --> 01:57:31,210
You know, you have residents coming home trying to park.

2374
01:57:31,610 --> 01:57:32,850
Where they normally do.

2375
01:57:32,930 --> 01:57:33,530
And uh.

2376
01:57:33,730 --> 01:57:37,650
Now they're competing for spaces and stoplights to get there, is that?

2377
01:57:39,410 --> 01:57:42,370
I mean, how would you control or manage to?

2378
01:57:43,500 --> 01:57:44,580
Make sure it doesn't.

2379
01:57:44,810 --> 01:57:46,530
Yeah, so the idea when?

2380
01:57:46,690 --> 01:57:48,290
What's not behind this chart?

2381
01:57:48,370 --> 01:57:54,620
Are what does those intensity? What does intensity mean when you look at a recital at the low intensity range?

2382
01:57:55,210 --> 01:57:58,610
And we can talk about that from at the top of my head you'll be looking at.

2383
01:57:59,090 --> 01:58:01,930
Maximum count of 30 people within a space.

2384
01:58:03,100 --> 01:58:06,500
That kind of traffic could possibly be absorbed in the village.

2385
01:58:06,970 --> 01:58:09,490
At any given time, after hours with.

2386
01:58:09,570 --> 01:58:11,850
On street parking or adjacent parking agreements.

2387
01:58:12,330 --> 01:58:13,610
With other property owners.

2388
01:58:16,590 --> 01:58:17,230
Interesting.

2389
01:58:19,110 --> 01:58:20,220
Size is important.

2390
01:58:20,930 --> 01:58:23,250
Yeah. So it'd be basically just.

2391
01:58:23,370 --> 01:58:25,650
Managing it from a capacity standpoint.

2392
01:58:26,170 --> 01:58:26,610
Yeah.

2393
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:31,100
OK, do we have a?

2394
01:58:31,210 --> 01:58:33,450
An applicant here tonight to.

2395
01:58:33,570 --> 01:58:37,310
To speak to this more or I'm sorry before we invite you up, did we have any other questions for city staff on this? My my primary

2396
01:58:37,310 --> 01:58:41,050
concern was.

2397
01:58:41,450 --> 01:58:43,730
Whatever the interfere with the.

2398
01:58:44,420 --> 01:58:47,020
The tax generation of the retail part.

2399
01:58:47,290 --> 01:58:49,930
If it supplements that or is.

2400
01:58:50,980 --> 01:58:53,540
An extra for the community. I think that's great.

2401
01:58:54,210 --> 01:58:55,010
If we end up.

2402
01:58:55,330 --> 01:58:58,210
Taking a space that could have generated sales tags.

2403
01:58:58,570 --> 01:59:00,970
And now doesn't generate sales tax.

2404
01:59:01,970 --> 01:59:03,530
Yeah, I'd be more concerned.

2405
01:59:03,650 --> 01:59:09,370
Right, because it's being proposed an accessory that the right the retail still needs to be maintained as the primary.

2406
01:59:09,570 --> 01:59:10,370
Land use.

2407
01:59:10,730 --> 01:59:15,090
With a tax number that's associated with that business license.

2408
01:59:16,530 --> 01:59:18,340
We could also. You could also look at.

2409
01:59:20,170 --> 01:59:23,170
Some of you might be familiar with floor area ratio.

2410
01:59:23,330 --> 01:59:24,290
Calculations.

2411
01:59:24,970 --> 01:59:31,050
With a given floor area of the gross retail space, A percentage can be used as this accessory use.

2412
01:59:31,890 --> 01:59:32,810
And no more.

2413
01:59:33,370 --> 01:59:35,370
That could be something that you could consider.

2414
01:59:35,690 --> 01:59:36,610
A later date, but.

2415
01:59:37,010 --> 01:59:39,570
No, I don't think that's something that would be tremendously.

2416
01:59:40,090 --> 01:59:41,330
Bothersome or worrisome?

2417
01:59:41,410 --> 01:59:42,050
About uh.

2418
01:59:42,170 --> 01:59:43,650
Losing tax increment dollars I.

2419
01:59:44,010 --> 01:59:47,620
I reviewed this concept with our city manager from that point of view.

2420
01:59:48,810 --> 01:59:51,410
And I think she shares the same opinion that.

2421
01:59:52,610 --> 01:59:55,930
What we're receiving as far as the retail activity.

2422
01:59:56,010 --> 01:59:56,690
Is.

2423
01:59:57,370 --> 01:59:58,170
Sustainable.

2424
01:59:59,010 --> 02:00:02,490
Especially as Royal Holiday Hills comes online.

2425
02:00:03,130 --> 02:00:05,650
More often, I think it's more important to maintain.

2426
02:00:05,850 --> 02:00:08,570
Community identity as a place for a village rather than.

2427
02:00:08,970 --> 02:00:10,570
Maintaining commercial tax revenue.

2428
02:00:12,570 --> 02:00:13,570
What about the?

2429
02:00:14,210 --> 02:00:15,530
Dwelling units.

2430
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:21,220
Multi family floor above like is there that component of like?

2431
02:00:21,370 --> 02:00:24,890
I'm going to make the upstairs a couple apartments.

2432
02:00:25,050 --> 02:00:26,250
Above my burger joint.

2433
02:00:27,660 --> 02:00:32,020
I just used the those are just in there from that chart. I think the idea from that.

2434
02:00:32,530 --> 02:00:34,610
Concept. I believe this was from.

2435
02:00:36,610 --> 02:00:38,690
I want to say it was San Francisco, or maybe it was.

2436
02:00:38,930 --> 02:00:40,050
I pulled a few.

2437
02:00:40,290 --> 02:00:42,850
San Francisco, Chicago.

2438
02:00:46,490 --> 02:00:49,250
Oh, this might be Denver, actually.

2439
02:00:49,810 --> 02:00:50,370
Anyway.

2440
02:00:51,810 --> 02:00:52,970
Having an art studio.

2441
02:00:53,130 --> 02:00:55,010
That has a living space within it.

2442
02:00:55,570 --> 02:00:56,730
It's something that they.

2443
02:00:56,970 --> 02:00:59,010
Considered something as acceptable.

2444
02:00:59,330 --> 02:01:00,690
That's not something that would be.

2445
02:01:00,810 --> 02:01:01,170
OK.

2446
02:01:02,410 --> 02:01:06,970
Want to avoid subletting my walk in closet as a roommate situation right?

2447
02:01:09,730 --> 02:01:16,250
How much do you want for in case you need to send your code people? I mean today's rates. I could probably make a gram but.

2448
02:01:18,770 --> 02:01:23,300
All right, great. Well with that, let's let's hear from the applicant on this. I'd like more perspective.

2449
02:01:27,470 --> 02:01:30,420
We're excited to be here on holiday. I grew up on a holiday.

2450
02:01:31,050 --> 02:01:32,010
Born and raised.

2451
02:01:32,530 --> 02:01:33,410
So the fact that.

2452
02:01:33,490 --> 02:01:33,890
And.

2453
02:01:34,570 --> 02:01:38,090
Panel teacher been teaching panel for 2025 years.

2454
02:01:38,250 --> 02:01:38,970
What's your name?

2455
02:01:39,130 --> 02:01:40,570
Isaac Jackson, Sorry.

2456
02:01:40,690 --> 02:01:42,410
The address of the building is 40.

2457
02:01:42,610 --> 02:01:45,690
644 S Auto Blvd. It's the old.

2458
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:50,540
Scott's building next door to the.

2459
02:01:50,690 --> 02:01:51,610
Olympus Clinic.

2460
02:01:52,990 --> 02:01:57,340
So it's a huge, immense pleasure to bring Steinway.

2461
02:01:57,930 --> 02:02:01,850
This amazing brand and these amazing instruments to holiday.

2462
02:02:02,050 --> 02:02:02,690
Where I grew up.

2463
02:02:03,450 --> 02:02:04,650
Hot locally for.

2464
02:02:04,770 --> 02:02:06,010
2025 years.

2465
02:02:07,050 --> 02:02:07,890
And.

2466
02:02:09,470 --> 02:02:14,740
Really central to any sort of Steinway gallery is supporting.

2467
02:02:14,810 --> 02:02:15,490
Local uh.

2468
02:02:16,050 --> 02:02:17,130
Panel Teachers.

2469
02:02:17,570 --> 02:02:18,650
And the students?

2470
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:22,580
So to give these students the opportunity to perform.

2471
02:02:22,730 --> 02:02:24,930
Their piece that they've been working on for.

2472
02:02:25,370 --> 02:02:26,770
A year or a?

2473
02:02:26,890 --> 02:02:27,650
Two years.

2474
02:02:28,050 --> 02:02:29,490
The opportunity they have to.

2475
02:02:29,610 --> 02:02:32,050
Come and perform in amazing space.

2476
02:02:32,450 --> 02:02:34,050
On this amazing panel.

2477
02:02:34,130 --> 02:02:35,850
Probably arguably the best piano.

2478
02:02:36,630 --> 02:02:37,940
Made in the World.

2479
02:02:38,210 --> 02:02:38,890
Is.

2480
02:02:39,490 --> 02:02:40,330
2nd to none.

2481
02:02:40,770 --> 02:02:41,770
I mean, I grew up.

2482
02:02:42,250 --> 02:02:44,970
With the Steinway, so I was pretty lucky.

2483
02:02:45,650 --> 02:02:46,250
But.

2484
02:02:46,970 --> 02:02:49,530
A lot of kids don't have that opportunity in their own home.

2485
02:02:50,050 --> 02:02:52,210
And so to provide that for them.

2486
02:02:52,290 --> 02:02:55,490
Is a immense pleasure for us and to be able to support.

2487
02:02:55,930 --> 02:02:57,220
Local teachers.

2488
02:02:57,370 --> 02:03:00,530
And to bring in people to the city of Holiday.

2489
02:03:00,650 --> 02:03:01,970
And to support.

2490
02:03:02,090 --> 02:03:04,250
Someone like Auntie Ray who would.

2491
02:03:04,370 --> 02:03:08,170
Then get hey, let's after the recital, let's go get.

2492
02:03:08,570 --> 02:03:12,330
I dessert an anti raise or let's go get some Gelato or let's go.

2493
02:03:12,490 --> 02:03:15,890
To mentor, let's go to Tony Burgers and get a get a shake.

2494
02:03:16,330 --> 02:03:17,530
And part of.

2495
02:03:18,410 --> 02:03:20,890
The tax question is that they would then.

2496
02:03:21,170 --> 02:03:22,090
Be aware of it.

2497
02:03:22,410 --> 02:03:22,810
Of.

2498
02:03:23,370 --> 02:03:24,250
Steinway.

2499
02:03:24,330 --> 02:03:26,210
And the pianos. And we're not.

2500
02:03:26,650 --> 02:03:27,730
Then they can go oh.

2501
02:03:28,450 --> 02:03:31,010
A lot of teachers are recommending that they.

2502
02:03:31,090 --> 02:03:31,730
Purchase.

2503
02:03:32,130 --> 02:03:34,730
A new piano because their piano. It just doesn't.

2504
02:03:35,370 --> 02:03:37,090
Serve the student right.

2505
02:03:37,570 --> 02:03:42,290
And so they can come in and say, OK, these pianos are great, let's buy a piano.

2506
02:03:42,530 --> 02:03:43,730
And actually support.

2507
02:03:43,810 --> 02:03:45,410
The teacher as well.

2508
02:03:45,770 --> 02:03:47,010
In helping them.

2509
02:03:48,050 --> 02:03:49,010
With that.

2510
02:03:49,170 --> 02:03:50,090
And give them.

2511
02:03:50,530 --> 02:03:51,410
A Commission.

2512
02:03:51,850 --> 02:03:53,930
For helping me.

2513
02:03:54,090 --> 02:03:57,970
Sell that piano so it does bolster that tax revenue.

2514
02:03:58,730 --> 02:04:00,810
And then is there any other?

2515
02:04:00,890 --> 02:04:02,860
Was there any other concerns you want to meet address?

2516
02:04:03,330 --> 02:04:05,450
I'm just grateful that city of Holiday I love.

2517
02:04:05,810 --> 02:04:06,450
How?

2518
02:04:06,530 --> 02:04:08,850
I mean working with John and the mayor and.

2519
02:04:09,250 --> 02:04:12,290
It's been so great and they've been so welcoming to have.

2520
02:04:12,850 --> 02:04:14,090
To let us be there and.

2521
02:04:14,210 --> 02:04:15,490
I think the building.

2522
02:04:15,650 --> 02:04:16,970
Just screams.

2523
02:04:17,990 --> 02:04:23,220
I'm so happy to be a Steinway gallery. Have you seen those? Those windows right there?

2524
02:04:23,690 --> 02:04:26,530
Like being able to perform as a student.

2525
02:04:26,690 --> 02:04:30,850
Right there with the backdrop of Mount Olympus at 6:30 with that.

2526
02:04:31,450 --> 02:04:33,290
Golden Hour happening is.

2527
02:04:33,770 --> 02:04:34,610
It's magic.

2528
02:04:35,010 --> 02:04:36,540
So come by and see the building.

2529
02:04:36,690 --> 02:04:37,570
It's pretty cool.

2530
02:04:38,330 --> 02:04:39,450
What address was this again?

2531
02:04:39,650 --> 02:04:42,170
4644 S Holiday Blvd.

2532
02:04:44,260 --> 02:04:44,860
I will.

2533
02:04:45,250 --> 02:04:45,570
Yeah.

2534
02:04:47,450 --> 02:04:49,090
Come by, play some Steinways.

2535
02:04:50,810 --> 02:04:54,050
I won't do that. I'll play for you.

2536
02:04:54,490 --> 02:04:55,610
And that might lead you to.

2537
02:04:56,090 --> 02:04:57,410
Other questions for the applicant.

2538
02:04:59,310 --> 02:05:00,460
How big would the?

2539
02:05:00,970 --> 02:05:01,810
Performance.

2540
02:05:02,210 --> 02:05:03,290
Area here.

2541
02:05:04,420 --> 02:05:05,780
I mean, are you talking about?

2542
02:05:06,170 --> 02:05:07,980
Room for 40 people.

2543
02:05:08,770 --> 02:05:16,250
Roughly, so roughly these recitals are, if you've been to one, they are usually these teachers have a smaller studio.

2544
02:05:16,690 --> 02:05:20,490
I had a studio of about 40 students. That's on the large end.

2545
02:05:20,930 --> 02:05:26,970
But I would always. There's no way I'm forcing parents to sit through a 40 student website so.

2546
02:05:27,290 --> 02:05:31,930
Typically you would you would divide those up into a more manageable group.

2547
02:05:32,650 --> 02:05:35,930
And yeah, more like the 30 to 40.

2548
02:05:36,010 --> 02:05:37,210
But also.

2549
02:05:37,330 --> 02:05:37,970
That's.

2550
02:05:38,210 --> 02:05:41,730
A carpool situation too. It's a lot of families coming.

2551
02:05:41,850 --> 02:05:43,690
Together in the same vehicle.

2552
02:05:44,410 --> 02:05:45,170
And we have.

2553
02:05:45,450 --> 02:05:49,790
What's really amazing about this space, and like I said, it kind of screams to be a Steam gallery, is that there's some amazing

2554
02:05:49,790 --> 02:05:54,130
locations for.

2555
02:05:54,370 --> 02:05:55,210
Recitals.

2556
02:05:55,450 --> 02:05:58,770
That main corner with the windows is incredible.

2557
02:05:58,930 --> 02:06:01,130
And then there's a loft area that just.

2558
02:06:01,810 --> 02:06:04,050
Has these glass wall and looks it's.

2559
02:06:04,130 --> 02:06:05,530
It's great for recitals.

2560
02:06:05,770 --> 02:06:07,810
And then downstairs in the basement.

2561
02:06:08,090 --> 02:06:08,970
There's another.

2562
02:06:09,050 --> 02:06:10,770
Open area, so we have.

2563
02:06:10,890 --> 02:06:15,050
900 teachers that are registered in the UMTA.

2564
02:06:15,130 --> 02:06:18,290
Just here and those are just the ones that are registered.

2565
02:06:18,530 --> 02:06:20,890
With the Utah Music Teachers Association.

2566
02:06:21,290 --> 02:06:22,250
And I'm getting.

2567
02:06:22,330 --> 02:06:24,210
3 to 4 phone calls every day.

2568
02:06:24,290 --> 02:06:30,250
When can we come and use the recital space? When are you going to be able to do that? Because we have no place to do it.

2569
02:06:30,690 --> 02:06:34,010
And we certainly don't have a place that has as high caliber.

2570
02:06:34,090 --> 02:06:35,010
And is amazing.

2571
02:06:35,090 --> 02:06:36,890
As your place, they've come.

2572
02:06:37,010 --> 02:06:37,890
And seeing it.

2573
02:06:38,010 --> 02:06:38,690
And they're just.

2574
02:06:40,210 --> 02:06:43,370
Chomping at the bit to be able to use the space.

2575
02:06:43,450 --> 02:06:49,610
To what you're saying is they don't like the old Baldwin that City Hall has, but we want to help, actually.

2576
02:06:49,730 --> 02:06:54,490
Bolster all of the arts and culture on holiday so if we can be of assistance.

2577
02:06:54,650 --> 02:06:56,170
And provide a space.

2578
02:06:56,290 --> 02:07:01,850
Or other music, theater, whatever. And the city of Audio wants to do. If there's like overflow that needs to happen, absolutely,

2579
02:07:01,850 --> 02:07:07,410
I'd love to open my doors up to them.

2580
02:07:08,780 --> 02:07:13,640
And we should certainly talk about getting rid of the Baldwin and putting Steinway in the city. I'll let you work that out with

2581
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:18,500
the mayor. I don't know what his budget is.

2582
02:07:21,710 --> 02:07:23,910
All right, other questions for the applicant.

2583
02:07:24,530 --> 02:07:26,170
All right, we'll have you sit down. Thank you.

2584
02:07:26,890 --> 02:07:32,215
All right. And then this is a public hearing. However, we're going to continue this and keep the public hearing open, so there'll

2585
02:07:32,215 --> 02:07:37,540
be more opportunities for the public to speak on this later. We didn't have any other applicants here, did we, John?

2586
02:07:38,430 --> 02:07:39,140
Just one more.

2587
02:07:39,250 --> 02:07:42,770
Oh, I apologize if the other applicant wants to come up and speak.

2588
02:07:43,330 --> 02:07:44,770
Oh, sorry, no other.

2589
02:07:45,770 --> 02:07:48,850
Oh, I meant was there another applicant associated with this?

2590
02:07:49,250 --> 02:07:49,650
OK.

2591
02:07:50,850 --> 02:07:56,660
In that case, we'll open the public hearing and if anyone was here tonight to speak on item number 4.

2592
02:07:56,810 --> 02:07:59,330
The text amendment about the arts and culture.

2593
02:07:59,770 --> 02:08:00,890
We'd love to hear from you now.

2594
02:08:06,770 --> 02:08:09,570
Steve Peterson, 6147 S Vernesco.

2595
02:08:10,290 --> 02:08:12,130
So we had two children that.

2596
02:08:13,210 --> 02:08:14,930
Went to these recitals and.

2597
02:08:15,010 --> 02:08:17,490
And studied on a Steinway.

2598
02:08:18,170 --> 02:08:22,730
Ended up buying one from Skip Danes on State Street. This is replacing his.

2599
02:08:23,090 --> 02:08:26,730
Franchise here on holiday. We're very excited to have the franchise here.

2600
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:29,740
And I can say from experience that.

2601
02:08:30,290 --> 02:08:33,730
Those recitals generate sales tax to the city through.

2602
02:08:34,370 --> 02:08:36,770
Bein Steinways and the Music and.

2603
02:08:37,490 --> 02:08:40,050
And then it also brings a lot of traffic that would.

2604
02:08:40,170 --> 02:08:42,410
Support the local businesses and so.

2605
02:08:42,730 --> 02:08:44,890
For those reasons, I'm very supportive of what's.

2606
02:08:44,970 --> 02:08:45,930
What they're proposing.

2607
02:08:46,530 --> 02:08:47,170
Thanks, Steve.

2608
02:08:51,430 --> 02:08:52,940
Any other public comment tonight?

2609
02:08:54,230 --> 02:08:59,820
All right. And in which case I will make a motion to continue this.

2610
02:09:00,530 --> 02:09:03,590
As city staff continues to work on the chart, make sure I don't call out weird things because it's just the sample as it says

2611
02:09:03,590 --> 02:09:06,650
there.

2612
02:09:07,770 --> 02:09:08,540
Do we have a second?

2613
02:09:09,050 --> 02:09:12,050
Nice talking about Commissioner Baron.

2614
02:09:12,210 --> 02:09:15,370
Both seconds. So with that, we'll call for a vote, Mr. Cunningham.

2615
02:09:15,610 --> 02:09:16,610
Aye, Mr. Tribune.

2616
02:09:16,850 --> 02:09:19,010
Aye, Mr. Faunt. Aye Mr. Gone aye.

2617
02:09:19,650 --> 02:09:22,900
Mr. Barron, aye and Chair Roach votes aye, so that will continue.

2618
02:09:23,050 --> 02:09:23,650
Thank you.

2619
02:09:24,130 --> 02:09:24,690
Thank you.

2620
02:09:25,530 --> 02:09:26,770
All right now.

2621
02:09:26,970 --> 02:09:27,690
The next.

2622
02:09:28,010 --> 02:09:30,970
Item on the agenda tonight.

2623
02:09:31,090 --> 02:09:32,410
The Holiday Hills.

2624
02:09:32,650 --> 02:09:34,330
Table of land jewels.

2625
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:43,240
I don't know if it's a summer thing, but I don't think I've ever had this many legislative items on one agenda for.

2626
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:45,080
Everybody is excited.

2627
02:09:45,490 --> 02:09:46,170
Get some stuff.

2628
02:09:49,690 --> 02:09:51,610
Item 5 tonight on your On your.

2629
02:09:51,770 --> 02:09:57,170
Agenda is an application to the City to amend the Royal Holiday Hills Site Development Master Plan.

2630
02:09:58,010 --> 02:10:00,340
Specifically the land use table.

2631
02:10:00,890 --> 02:10:02,730
The land use table in the SDMP.

2632
02:10:04,530 --> 02:10:08,890
Provides an array of land uses and businesses that can be.

2633
02:10:09,210 --> 02:10:09,890
Operated.

2634
02:10:10,290 --> 02:10:12,250
Within distance separate districts.

2635
02:10:12,690 --> 02:10:15,810
Of the Royal Holiday Hills site, formerly known as Cottonwood.

2636
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:20,980
As the property owner has been applying for business licenses.

2637
02:10:21,290 --> 02:10:22,850
It's come to.

2638
02:10:23,250 --> 02:10:25,090
Frankly, both of our attentions.

2639
02:10:25,330 --> 02:10:28,210
And property owner I believe's point of view that.

2640
02:10:29,090 --> 02:10:30,530
There's some.

2641
02:10:31,270 --> 02:10:34,500
Business types that have been omitted from this list.

2642
02:10:34,930 --> 02:10:36,850
Specifically, personal services.

2643
02:10:37,330 --> 02:10:38,490
Personal Services.

2644
02:10:38,850 --> 02:10:43,530
Have a very distinct definition apart from retail or professional services.

2645
02:10:44,170 --> 02:10:51,570
In that those are the services that are licensed through department of professional licensed provide services such as.

2646
02:10:51,770 --> 02:10:53,450
Barbering, hair styling, Nails.

2647
02:10:53,810 --> 02:10:54,890
Aestheticians.

2648
02:10:56,850 --> 02:10:57,890
Tattooing.

2649
02:10:58,210 --> 02:10:59,250
Massage.

2650
02:10:59,490 --> 02:11:00,250
Therapy.

2651
02:11:00,450 --> 02:11:01,570
That those types of.

2652
02:11:02,010 --> 02:11:02,970
Personal Services.

2653
02:11:03,090 --> 02:11:06,850
As opposed to professional would be more consulting services architectural.

2654
02:11:07,290 --> 02:11:09,610
Law, banking, that type of thing.

2655
02:11:11,290 --> 02:11:14,490
So the application note is to add.

2656
02:11:15,810 --> 02:11:18,170
Professionals or personal services.

2657
02:11:19,170 --> 02:11:21,410
In as a component to.

2658
02:11:21,650 --> 02:11:23,730
What's listed as the retail building?

2659
02:11:24,810 --> 02:11:31,370
So in your packet there is an image of the the amendment that has at the very bottom in red.

2660
02:11:31,810 --> 02:11:36,050
Some 3 asterisks that say in conjunction with a retail building.

2661
02:11:36,690 --> 02:11:38,170
So give you an idea.

2662
02:11:39,210 --> 02:11:41,250
Well, I'll let you ask the applicant.

2663
02:11:41,410 --> 02:11:47,330
Where this application is taking place, but staff really doesn't have an issue with what's being proposed and.

2664
02:11:47,410 --> 02:11:48,690
Believes it can be an excellent.

2665
02:11:49,650 --> 02:11:53,570
Components to what's being built currently at Royal Holiday Hills.

2666
02:11:54,010 --> 02:11:54,730
Makes sense?

2667
02:11:55,810 --> 02:11:58,490
The question I have before we have the applicant come up.

2668
02:11:58,930 --> 02:11:59,970
Are there any?

2669
02:12:01,090 --> 02:12:02,730
Personal Services.

2670
02:12:03,130 --> 02:12:05,090
That would be prohibited.

2671
02:12:05,530 --> 02:12:06,890
By city code or?

2672
02:12:07,700 --> 02:12:09,420
You know something that might be.

2673
02:12:10,050 --> 02:12:11,810
More on the negative side.

2674
02:12:12,490 --> 02:12:14,330
Of personal services.

2675
02:12:14,810 --> 02:12:15,930
We yes.

2676
02:12:16,730 --> 02:12:18,570
Generally, when we look at.

2677
02:12:18,730 --> 02:12:20,370
Personal services, we look at them.

2678
02:12:20,490 --> 02:12:21,410
Very specific.

2679
02:12:21,930 --> 02:12:26,530
In their application because they do include quite a bit of services that.

2680
02:12:26,930 --> 02:12:30,890
Unfortunately, historically have had issues that are.

2681
02:12:31,090 --> 02:12:31,770
Associated with.

2682
02:12:31,930 --> 02:12:35,210
So we've brought this up with the property owners.

2683
02:12:36,010 --> 02:12:38,650
I think they can address their point of view as how they would.

2684
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:41,700
Come about that situation.

2685
02:12:42,210 --> 02:12:43,090
And deal with it.

2686
02:12:43,850 --> 02:12:44,370
But.

2687
02:12:44,890 --> 02:12:49,250
If an application were to come to us for a massage therapy situation.

2688
02:12:49,450 --> 02:12:51,090
At this site, we couldn't deny it.

2689
02:12:52,450 --> 02:12:53,650
And unfortunately.

2690
02:12:53,810 --> 02:12:55,730
I don't want to single out at the specific.

2691
02:12:57,130 --> 02:13:00,490
Retailers, service, those were most of our.

2692
02:13:00,610 --> 02:13:02,370
Police issues derive.

2693
02:13:03,490 --> 02:13:06,690
But I believe the property owner had can address that for you.

2694
02:13:08,110 --> 02:13:09,870
I'm just like thinking, you know?

2695
02:13:10,290 --> 02:13:12,090
Madam Zorbas like.

2696
02:13:12,250 --> 02:13:12,810
I don't know.

2697
02:13:13,010 --> 02:13:16,330
Like there's a lot of places I could go with personal services where it's like.

2698
02:13:18,020 --> 02:13:19,580
Business, but OK, we'll hear from the applicant.

2699
02:13:32,600 --> 02:13:34,120
Yes, you mentioned.

2700
02:13:35,370 --> 02:13:38,330
Steve Peterson, 6147 S Fernesco.

2701
02:13:39,590 --> 02:13:40,620
Good evening, Commissioners.

2702
02:13:42,250 --> 02:13:43,170
Yeah, so.

2703
02:13:44,610 --> 02:13:46,290
In the code 1304.

2704
02:13:46,450 --> 02:13:47,690
040.

2705
02:13:48,450 --> 02:13:50,130
Defines personal services.

2706
02:13:50,890 --> 02:13:51,810
In the city.

2707
02:13:51,970 --> 02:13:53,010
And it does.

2708
02:13:53,960 --> 02:13:54,900
Exclude.

2709
02:13:55,370 --> 02:13:59,330
Tattoos and sexually oriented businesses, so those are excluded.

2710
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:03,660
But what it does allow for is nail salons, hair salons days.

2711
02:14:04,050 --> 02:14:05,850
Spas massage therapy.

2712
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:11,280
We're asking for just clarification in the SDMP that there's a.

2713
02:14:11,450 --> 02:14:13,330
Asterisk down the bottom that it's.

2714
02:14:13,850 --> 02:14:14,890
Included in.

2715
02:14:15,330 --> 02:14:16,370
Retail use.

2716
02:14:17,510 --> 02:14:18,790
And our.

2717
02:14:19,810 --> 02:14:21,130
Point there is that.

2718
02:14:22,850 --> 02:14:23,930
The SDMP was.

2719
02:14:24,010 --> 02:14:25,970
Approved in 2007.

2720
02:14:27,110 --> 02:14:28,980
The city code was.

2721
02:14:29,130 --> 02:14:31,210
Rewritten in 2012.

2722
02:14:31,770 --> 02:14:34,050
And in 2012 is when they.

2723
02:14:35,430 --> 02:14:37,140
There was more definition.

2724
02:14:37,250 --> 02:14:41,690
And they provided personal services within that so.

2725
02:14:42,290 --> 02:14:45,450
Basically, we're grandfathered in already, but we just wanted it to be a.

2726
02:14:45,570 --> 02:14:46,570
Clarified that.

2727
02:14:48,090 --> 02:14:49,530
At our site that.

2728
02:14:50,300 --> 02:14:52,020
Personal services are allowed.

2729
02:14:53,570 --> 02:14:54,210
And then?

2730
02:14:55,050 --> 02:14:57,570
With that, if we were to look at the STMP.

2731
02:14:58,970 --> 02:15:05,930
The state of objectives is to create an active pedestrian oriented Main Street environment featuring shops.

2732
02:15:06,490 --> 02:15:08,610
Restaurants gathering places.

2733
02:15:09,170 --> 02:15:12,250
In customer serving commercial uses.

2734
02:15:13,170 --> 02:15:14,290
And so.

2735
02:15:14,410 --> 02:15:16,850
The fact is that a high quality nail salon.

2736
02:15:17,570 --> 02:15:19,530
Arguably fulfills the SDMT.

2737
02:15:19,690 --> 02:15:24,770
Goals of creating the active pedestrian oriented commercial environments with.

2738
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:28,020
More so than most.

2739
02:15:28,490 --> 02:15:31,130
Typical retail uses woods so.

2740
02:15:31,980 --> 02:15:35,420
We're just asking for that asterisk be provided in there to clarify that.

2741
02:15:36,160 --> 02:15:38,100
And be consistent with what was.

2742
02:15:38,610 --> 02:15:40,770
Intended in the original SDMP.

2743
02:15:43,940 --> 02:15:45,180
Questions for the applicant.

2744
02:15:46,890 --> 02:15:49,090
All right, we're going to sit down. Thank you. Thank you.

2745
02:15:50,460 --> 02:15:53,060
All right. And this is also a public hearing.

2746
02:15:53,170 --> 02:15:55,570
So same rules apply, but if anyone was.

2747
02:15:55,650 --> 02:16:00,970
Patiently waiting this entire evening to make a public comment on this. Now is your time.

2748
02:16:01,330 --> 02:16:02,530
And you are welcome to come up.

2749
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:05,740
Once. Twice.

2750
02:16:06,330 --> 02:16:10,460
All right, I guess nobody was waiting for this one, so we'll go ahead and close the public hearing.

2751
02:16:12,530 --> 02:16:16,970
And I apologize for being that guy. I just feel like sometimes I'm sure the city already.

2752
02:16:17,050 --> 02:16:20,810
Thinks about all these things, but sometimes I feel like I just have to be that gate caper.

2753
02:16:20,970 --> 02:16:22,450
Gatekeeper that says what if?

2754
02:16:23,170 --> 02:16:27,930
And so that's where my question about what type of businesses personal services.

2755
02:16:28,010 --> 02:16:29,330
Can get in there.

2756
02:16:29,690 --> 02:16:31,370
So is there anything?

2757
02:16:31,490 --> 02:16:33,130
If this is updated.

2758
02:16:34,450 --> 02:16:36,250
Umm, to.

2759
02:16:36,530 --> 02:16:43,810
What's proposed for the text amendment? Is there any safeguards aside from the sexually oriented and tattoo parlor side of it?

2760
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:45,200
That would prevent.

2761
02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:45,960
Other.

2762
02:16:46,120 --> 02:16:47,880
More risque businesses.

2763
02:16:50,940 --> 02:16:51,850
Only the.

2764
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:54,240
The property owner would not include.

2765
02:16:54,360 --> 02:16:57,760
That is at least in a lease agreement, they just would not lease to them.

2766
02:16:58,770 --> 02:17:00,570
So that's your own. That's your only safeguard.

2767
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:03,880
So it's the honor code of whoever owns the building and is leasing it out.

2768
02:17:04,770 --> 02:17:06,130
Which definitely.

2769
02:17:06,240 --> 02:17:07,600
Could and will change over.

2770
02:17:07,680 --> 02:17:09,040
A long enough period of time.

2771
02:17:09,440 --> 02:17:11,360
Yes. Not that I don't want you to live forever, Steve.

2772
02:17:12,040 --> 02:17:12,480
But.

2773
02:17:14,730 --> 02:17:17,010
All right, Commissioners.

2774
02:17:17,440 --> 02:17:18,520
Questions. Thoughts.

2775
02:17:19,590 --> 02:17:24,810
Just to clarify that, so there's a lease agreement, there's also a business license and that comes through the city.

2776
02:17:25,360 --> 02:17:25,880
Correct.

2777
02:17:26,400 --> 02:17:32,480
And that. But that just means that besides those excluded uses, anything else would get a.

2778
02:17:32,720 --> 02:17:33,720
Business License.

2779
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:38,160
Anything that would be listed there, yeah, as an end of the definition, would get a business license.

2780
02:17:41,880 --> 02:17:48,520
So as I understand that the current city ordinance is where the bar on the massage therapy is.

2781
02:17:48,960 --> 02:17:50,840
Or in taps. Excuse me.

2782
02:17:51,240 --> 02:17:52,880
On Tampines and the Current.

2783
02:18:03,640 --> 02:18:08,200
Steve, if you're going to go that far, I'm gonna need you to come back up just for the city recorder. Sorry.

2784
02:18:10,030 --> 02:18:10,550
Yeah.

2785
02:18:13,400 --> 02:18:15,960
In the city code in 13 debt.

2786
02:18:16,040 --> 02:18:17,400
.04 dot.

2787
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:21,560
040 It defines personal services.

2788
02:18:22,320 --> 02:18:23,200
And in there.

2789
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:26,160
Personal services are like.

2790
02:18:26,720 --> 02:18:28,160
Apparel such as beauty.

2791
02:18:28,520 --> 02:18:30,000
Barber shops tanning.

2792
02:18:30,520 --> 02:18:31,720
Massage therapy.

2793
02:18:33,020 --> 02:18:36,090
Permanent cosmetics day spa but excludes.

2794
02:18:36,760 --> 02:18:41,160
Body art, tattoos and sexually oriented business. Very specific.

2795
02:18:41,900 --> 02:18:44,290
And prior to that?

2796
02:18:44,920 --> 02:18:46,200
Zoning ordinance being in.

2797
02:18:46,720 --> 02:18:50,760
Incorporated it into the city code in 2012.

2798
02:18:51,900 --> 02:18:57,620
It was just that there's retail and then there's these personal services were allowed. So once that was defined and.

2799
02:18:57,800 --> 02:18:58,720
Clarified.

2800
02:19:00,420 --> 02:19:04,450
And more specific and it also eliminates certain businesses.

2801
02:19:06,030 --> 02:19:09,850
Our entitlements then include that.

2802
02:19:10,280 --> 02:19:13,240
Additional definition of what's allowed and what's not allowed so.

2803
02:19:13,640 --> 02:19:14,920
We're totally supportive of.

2804
02:19:15,440 --> 02:19:17,130
Including that definition.

2805
02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:18,240
Disallowing uh.

2806
02:19:18,520 --> 02:19:21,320
Certain businesses that we obviously wouldn't want in our community.

2807
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:26,010
But allowing the business, I guess that's the point I wanted to make I.

2808
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:27,080
I don't know what.

2809
02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:29,320
The reluctance is to have.

2810
02:19:29,720 --> 02:19:31,960
Tattoo partners in holiday.

2811
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:34,960
They generate revenue.

2812
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:38,640
It's not. They support families. It does, but it's not allowing the code.

2813
02:19:38,920 --> 02:19:45,320
That's the problem. I agree, and I'm not arguing. I agree. That's why I wanted to know whether this was your decision.

2814
02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:51,000
Or the cities? No, it's the cities. It's code within the city In 2012 was established.

2815
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:52,720
And I yeah, I don't.

2816
02:19:53,550 --> 02:19:54,190
Take a.

2817
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:57,480
Moral position one way or other on any of these businesses.

2818
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:01,720
But I just abide by what our community has established and I'm.

2819
02:20:01,800 --> 02:20:03,840
According with that, and I agree, I just.

2820
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:05,280
You know, I guess.

2821
02:20:05,480 --> 02:20:10,440
Since it was on the table, it's been on the table with a previous issue on that and I.

2822
02:20:10,680 --> 02:20:13,480
Think holiday needs to move into modern era?

2823
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:17,640
Not have a moral judgment about tattoos. Yeah, and I'm not.

2824
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:24,440
I'm not. Yeah. And I, I'm not blaming you, and you certainly have the right to do that. I'm just, I'm just abiding by what?

2825
02:20:24,560 --> 02:20:30,320
The city is is on the books and that's all we're saying is we just want an asterisk clarifying that that's.

2826
02:20:30,680 --> 02:20:33,880
We support that and that's part of our entitlement, yeah.

2827
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:34,800
Thank you.

2828
02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:40,940
Maybe former city councillor had a run in with a biker gang of Hells Angels giving tattoos, I don't know, but I can imagine all

2829
02:20:40,940 --> 02:20:46,840
the doomsday scenarios if you want me more senior girls at at the local high school.

2830
02:20:47,360 --> 02:20:50,280
If I may just make a comment from the city's point of view.

2831
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:54,680
On that, Carrie has brought up the definitions and luckily.

2832
02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:57,840
The definition of permanent cosmetics is really close by.

2833
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:00,200
They took out the.

2834
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:01,920
From tattooing.

2835
02:21:02,040 --> 02:21:04,690
Of his personal service and created a new definition.

2836
02:21:04,840 --> 02:21:08,880
Because the art of tattooing has been expanded to include many different things.

2837
02:21:09,800 --> 02:21:12,600
Especially when you're talking about permanent cosmetics.

2838
02:21:13,160 --> 02:21:14,040
That was where.

2839
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:14,800
We needed to.

2840
02:21:14,880 --> 02:21:19,740
Include that as a different type of use, and that's certainly within the scope of this city council's authority to make those

2841
02:21:19,740 --> 02:21:24,600
decisions. And they haven't, yeah.

2842
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:31,480
But like check cashing places, payday loan centers, those sort of things are still excluded by code even.

2843
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:33,800
If they're considered a personal service.

2844
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:36,240
Those are defined as professional services. Oh, OK, yeah.

2845
02:21:37,320 --> 02:21:39,480
And the city already has an ordinance around those.

2846
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:40,200
Right, OK.

2847
02:21:40,980 --> 02:21:44,820
Those were just the types of things that came into my mind, so I appreciate it. Sorry.

2848
02:21:45,480 --> 02:21:47,840
Keep us here so much longer. Like I said, just like to.

2849
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:49,240
Due diligence.

2850
02:21:50,040 --> 02:21:52,120
All right, Commissioners, any other?

2851
02:21:52,320 --> 02:21:54,640
Discussion or thoughts? Are we ready to make a motion?

2852
02:21:59,650 --> 02:22:01,530
Actually spent I can see it.

2853
02:22:04,500 --> 02:22:07,090
Oh no, I don't have anything constructive or helpful.

2854
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:07,960
Say about this.

2855
02:22:09,240 --> 02:22:11,720
All right. Well then, this is Chair Roach.

2856
02:22:12,400 --> 02:22:16,540
I'll move to recommend approval of an application by Steve Peterson to amend the land use table on Page 3 of the Site Development

2857
02:22:16,540 --> 02:22:20,680
Master Plan 2007.

2858
02:22:20,960 --> 02:22:22,880
By providing the new business type.

2859
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:25,280
Personal services with a retail.

2860
02:22:25,400 --> 02:22:28,840
Retail building, excuse me, based on the findings.

2861
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:31,640
1-2 and three is listed in the packet.

2862
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:33,400
I'll second that.

2863
02:22:33,640 --> 02:22:35,800
Commissioner Behrens seconds will call for a vote.

2864
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:36,810
Commissioner Cunningham.

2865
02:22:37,040 --> 02:22:38,200
Aye, Commissioner Tiffany.

2866
02:22:38,480 --> 02:22:40,560
Aye, Mr. Font, aye, Commissioner, gone.

2867
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:46,240
Yes, hi, that's an I and Commissioner Baron.

2868
02:22:46,680 --> 02:22:49,080
All right, and Chair Roach votes aye so.

2869
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:51,960
All right, we'll see what happens.

2870
02:22:53,760 --> 02:22:56,920
And with that we have.

2871
02:22:58,330 --> 02:23:00,450
A great deal of gratitude.

2872
02:23:00,520 --> 02:23:03,000
To extend to Commissioner Fullent.

2873
02:23:03,240 --> 02:23:04,920
On hanging out with us.

2874
02:23:05,440 --> 02:23:07,520
For three hours almost.

2875
02:23:09,400 --> 02:23:11,530
And all her service over the years.

2876
02:23:11,960 --> 02:23:16,850
Of being a commissioner. And thank you very much. And I believe John has something for you as well.

2877
02:23:22,310 --> 02:23:24,070
It's it's candy. How did you know?

2878
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:27,760
This card that's been signed. Thank you.

2879
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:30,880
This is.

2880
02:23:32,480 --> 02:23:33,880
There used to be a local artist.

2881
02:23:34,360 --> 02:23:36,360
Who used to do these laser edges? Oh yeah.

2882
02:23:37,800 --> 02:23:38,680
So we have this.

2883
02:23:41,080 --> 02:23:41,400
What?

2884
02:23:43,330 --> 02:23:43,770
That's cool.

2885
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:46,760
I know I'm gonna quit, just like you want to know.

2886
02:23:47,960 --> 02:23:51,240
I think I've seen those at 4 lemons actually. Beautiful.

2887
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:57,600
That's cool. It's really been a pleasure working with all of you. It's really been great.

2888
02:23:58,080 --> 02:23:59,720
I'm glad to know all of you.

2889
02:24:00,320 --> 02:24:01,480
Thank you very much.

2890
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:03,200
Thank you for your service.

2891
02:24:03,400 --> 02:24:03,960
Thank you.

2892
02:24:08,440 --> 02:24:13,480
All right. And that takes us to the conclusion of our meeting. Thank you all to.

2893
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:16,920
Participate city staff, as always, you're great.

2894
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:22,720
I will make a motion to adjourn. All in favor. Aye aye. Anybody want to stay longer?