1 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:51,060 With liberty and justice for all. 2 00:00:55,130 --> 00:00:55,610 OK, I. 3 00:00:57,260 --> 00:01:01,020 Let's proceed to public comment, but just note that. 4 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:08,140 We have a couple of public hearings, item number 5 and 6 regarding. 5 00:01:09,060 --> 00:01:11,380 Rezone another about the. 6 00:01:11,980 --> 00:01:13,220 Text amendment. The SDM. 7 00:01:14,060 --> 00:01:17,585 So if you're here to comment on those items, I ask you to withhold your comment until we open the public hearings on those 8 00:01:17,585 --> 00:01:21,110 particular issues. 9 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:24,740 But other than that, public comment is now open. 10 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,470 And predictably. 11 00:01:27,940 --> 00:01:29,180 Our favorite librarian. 12 00:01:35,090 --> 00:01:38,850 I just want to remind everybody that you have till the end of the month to finish your summer reading. 13 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:43,180 And get your prizes. You do have until the end of August to use your fine labor bill. 14 00:01:44,420 --> 00:01:48,740 And I don't want to make it sound like we're not doing awesome things in July and August, because we are. I want you to just. 15 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:52,260 Look up the calendar because it's amazing if you haven't done the duck hunts. 16 00:01:57,100 --> 00:02:01,270 And also a change in story times that will be happening at the end of August. 17 00:02:01,420 --> 00:02:04,080 At the end of August, we've been doing story time on Mondays and Tuesdays, and at the end of August we've had to have a little 18 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,740 schedule change. 19 00:02:06,820 --> 00:02:09,100 So we'll be doing Monday and Thursday story times. 20 00:02:09,260 --> 00:02:12,260 So we don't want anyone to miss their story time opportunity. 21 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:14,100 And we are partnering. 22 00:02:14,980 --> 00:02:18,740 With Salt Lake County Youth Services starting August 4th, they're doing a program. 23 00:02:18,980 --> 00:02:20,860 All stay connected with your team. 24 00:02:21,140 --> 00:02:23,660 Which is an excellent five week program for parents. 25 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:25,500 Of teens or soon to be teens. 26 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,320 But this week I ran across a few statistics that I just thought I'd share as a little change of pace. 27 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:36,980 Every year, the Institute of Museum and Library Services does surveys to compare all of the 9000 public libraries in North America 28 00:02:36,980 --> 00:02:41,140 and. 29 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:42,500 What we're up to? 30 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:46,860 As you know, Holiday Library is part of the Salt Lake County Library Services. 31 00:02:47,340 --> 00:02:49,900 And in total circulation. 32 00:02:50,060 --> 00:02:50,740 Of items. 33 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:51,980 We are the. 34 00:02:52,780 --> 00:02:54,460 Ranks library of North. 35 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:58,960 Wow. 36 00:03:04,260 --> 00:03:09,580 And when we look at just the physical circulation, just things you can hold in your hand, we are actually the 8 pious. 37 00:03:12,340 --> 00:03:13,620 And with kids. 38 00:03:14,020 --> 00:03:14,740 Physical items. 39 00:03:15,340 --> 00:03:18,780 So those are some kind of amazing numbers. It's. 40 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:23,220 Tax dollars and actually doing great things for the community and it's awesome. 41 00:03:23,460 --> 00:03:28,860 And the other the other statistic that I saw there that I really liked is that when we look at total visits to the library. 42 00:03:29,100 --> 00:03:31,860 We're 26, which is not at all. 43 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:37,900 Thank you. 44 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:39,060 Congratulations. 45 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,070 Anyone else or public comment? 46 00:03:46,290 --> 00:03:48,190 OK, seeing none, we'll close public comment. 47 00:03:48,580 --> 00:03:50,310 And proceed to item number 3. 48 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:00,750 Thank you, Mayor and Council. 49 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:04,830 As you were probably aware. 50 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,390 The department's growth. 51 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:21,370 It's time to have an assistant chief. 52 00:04:22,780 --> 00:04:23,300 Traditional. 53 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:25,440 I asked. Just the oil. 54 00:04:28,580 --> 00:04:30,140 And what happened next is all the. 55 00:04:36,580 --> 00:04:39,220 So I'm here to make it right. 56 00:04:40,330 --> 00:04:41,970 So we went through a process about. 57 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:44,200 Mayor Gina. 58 00:05:01,190 --> 00:05:01,790 2.0. 59 00:05:18,410 --> 00:05:20,470 So Justin would have been here tonight. He's. 60 00:05:35,730 --> 00:05:36,330 No, absolutely. 61 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:11,710 And I'm just extremely honored to be. 62 00:06:12,820 --> 00:06:21,300 Honestly, I've worked with every single position with this precinct has to. 63 00:06:27,690 --> 00:06:28,330 I want to produce. 64 00:06:41,230 --> 00:06:42,030 That's really all I have. 65 00:06:48,980 --> 00:06:49,700 There's any question? 66 00:06:59,630 --> 00:07:01,630 We we share your confidence. 67 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:05,140 And former Lieutenant and now chief Ackerman. 68 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:11,020 We were Gene and I were so impressed during the interview process. We. 69 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:15,180 Had a high borrow already in terms of our expectations and we were still. 70 00:07:15,860 --> 00:07:16,900 Amazed at how? 71 00:07:17,060 --> 00:07:18,380 Prepared and. 72 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:20,390 And also how excited. 73 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:21,220 You know, uh. 74 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:25,220 A Chief Ackerman is to take this position. 75 00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:28,020 And also recognizing his years and years. 76 00:07:29,260 --> 00:07:30,300 Working in holiday. 77 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:32,140 It was a clear choice. 78 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:35,580 We're excited for Justin Hoyle. 79 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:37,420 To be the new assistant chief. 80 00:07:37,900 --> 00:07:40,300 And now, just as excited to have. 81 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:41,700 Chief Ackerman is our chief. 82 00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:44,580 We won't skip a beat. 83 00:08:01,070 --> 00:08:02,430 I double check that mic, Yeah. 84 00:08:05,620 --> 00:08:06,300 Testing. 85 00:08:06,380 --> 00:08:07,300 OK, there we go. 86 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:12,070 OK. Thank you. 87 00:08:12,820 --> 00:08:14,220 Moving on to item 4. 88 00:08:14,860 --> 00:08:18,740 Consideration of a appeal over on Hilton from a denial of a conditional use permit. 89 00:08:19,620 --> 00:08:20,620 To set this up. 90 00:08:21,940 --> 00:08:25,300 I'll do a little pre set up but have Todd do the majority of the setup. 91 00:08:25,820 --> 00:08:28,420 So this is an opportunity for us to even though we're. 92 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:33,020 99% of the time a legislative body this is A1 opportunity where we. 93 00:08:33,260 --> 00:08:36,420 Take up our legislative hats and we act as a quasi judicial. 94 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:39,660 Body to hear an appeal. 95 00:08:40,060 --> 00:08:45,180 For a decision made by the Planning Commission, so it's not a legislative matter. 96 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:47,060 Where we have a whole lot of discretion. 97 00:08:47,380 --> 00:08:50,820 Like we normally do in a legislative matter, the legislation is already in place. 98 00:08:51,340 --> 00:08:53,100 This is evaluating the. 99 00:08:55,150 --> 00:08:56,870 Proprietor of the. 100 00:08:56,980 --> 00:09:00,630 The properness, as it were, of how the Planning Commission. 101 00:09:00,780 --> 00:09:03,780 Handled an application within legislation that's already. 102 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:04,660 On the books. 103 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:08,460 So with that, Todd, you want to give us some additional setup? 104 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:09,540 Yeah, thanks, Mayor. 105 00:09:10,260 --> 00:09:11,540 Mayor and council members in. 106 00:09:11,660 --> 00:09:14,880 In this appeal tonight, Mr. Hilton will have the opportunity to present his appeal to you. He'll present that based on the record 107 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,100 of proceedings. 108 00:09:18,340 --> 00:09:22,500 Before the Planning Commission. He bears the burden of showing the Planning Commission's denial. 109 00:09:22,980 --> 00:09:24,380 Of his conditional use permit. 110 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:25,620 Was done in error. 111 00:09:26,820 --> 00:09:29,780 After he makes his presentation, I think we've. 112 00:09:29,900 --> 00:09:31,180 Allotted 15 minutes. 113 00:09:31,580 --> 00:09:35,100 In this initial presentation, then staff will have the opportunity to present. 114 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:40,470 On the appeal, then, Mr. Hilton will be given one last opportunity to address the council and the Mayor. 115 00:09:41,220 --> 00:09:44,700 Regarding anything he heard in the staff presentation and then the matter will be. 116 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:46,260 Submitted to you for a decision. 117 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:48,740 I'm here tonight representing you. 118 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:50,860 As the appellate body. 119 00:09:51,180 --> 00:09:54,700 So if there are legal questions that come up during the proceedings, feel free to ask them. 120 00:09:54,780 --> 00:09:59,380 You're welcome to ask questions of the presenters, both Mr. Hilton and the city staff. 121 00:10:00,020 --> 00:10:00,700 And with that. 122 00:10:01,220 --> 00:10:03,710 I'll turn it back to you unless you have other specific questions. 123 00:10:03,980 --> 00:10:06,460 Anyone have any questions for Todd before we proceed? 124 00:10:08,050 --> 00:10:09,670 So just just to clarify. 125 00:10:11,260 --> 00:10:12,900 I saw in the minutes and in the. 126 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:15,100 The recorded meeting. 127 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:19,910 And correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that denial. 128 00:10:21,260 --> 00:10:26,500 Was not based on the merits per se, but on the adequacy of the application. 129 00:10:27,490 --> 00:10:30,190 And so correct me if I'm wrong, then the. 130 00:10:30,660 --> 00:10:35,980 Appeal process What's being appealed is that no, there indeed was enough information. 131 00:10:36,380 --> 00:10:38,110 Not only to make a decision, but. 132 00:10:38,220 --> 00:10:39,340 An affirmative decision. 133 00:10:41,510 --> 00:10:42,030 Um, is that a? 134 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:46,500 That's the that's the way I understand the appeal I'm sure that Mister Hilton can address. 135 00:10:46,740 --> 00:10:49,460 Those issues with the council and staff can also. 136 00:10:49,580 --> 00:10:53,300 But I think that's a fair reading of the record and the appeal as I see it. Yeah. And being in a. 137 00:10:53,980 --> 00:10:55,260 An appeal board. 138 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,430 Um, remedying that. 139 00:11:00,500 --> 00:11:01,260 Lack of. 140 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:06,180 Completeness in the application really can't be remedied here. 141 00:11:06,620 --> 00:11:07,500 Because we. 142 00:11:09,020 --> 00:11:12,780 We're not the body that would receive that additional information. 143 00:11:13,140 --> 00:11:14,340 That was. 144 00:11:14,460 --> 00:11:15,900 According to Planning Commission. 145 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:19,140 Lacking, yeah, Mr. Hilton will have a burden to. 146 00:11:19,420 --> 00:11:22,740 To, I guess convince you that there is enough information. 147 00:11:22,820 --> 00:11:24,420 There to have a decision made. 148 00:11:24,780 --> 00:11:26,230 And that you can make the decision. 149 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:30,500 I thought is there what you would call a standard of review? 150 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:31,980 Yeah, the the. 151 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:36,340 The conditional use permit application is an administrative land use approval. 152 00:11:36,420 --> 00:11:39,340 It has to be supported by substantial evidence in the record. 153 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:40,420 The city's. 154 00:11:40,540 --> 00:11:45,110 Decision. The Planning Commission decision needs to be supported by substantial evidence in the record. 155 00:11:45,220 --> 00:11:48,500 What that means is where they decided essentially the application wasn't. 156 00:11:48,660 --> 00:11:51,270 Sufficient enough for them to make a determination. 157 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:54,220 You have to find that from the record before you. 158 00:11:54,580 --> 00:11:57,020 And the parties were being asked tonight to essentially. 159 00:11:57,660 --> 00:12:00,900 Illuminate that standard in the status of the record for you. 160 00:12:00,980 --> 00:12:02,380 So that you can make that decision. 161 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:03,340 Thank you. 162 00:12:04,420 --> 00:12:07,900 Also, just before we hand it over to the appellant. 163 00:12:09,260 --> 00:12:12,900 You may have noticed in the minutes that the. 164 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:13,980 Specific umm. 165 00:12:14,060 --> 00:12:17,140 Motion to deny included. 166 00:12:18,140 --> 00:12:19,460 That it was not. 167 00:12:19,580 --> 00:12:23,020 Essentially not based on the merits, but because the completeness of the application. 168 00:12:23,580 --> 00:12:26,060 The applicant was given an opportunity to. 169 00:12:26,660 --> 00:12:28,580 Uh, withdraw. 170 00:12:29,060 --> 00:12:30,780 The application to correct. 171 00:12:31,140 --> 00:12:34,230 Or enhance the application. 172 00:12:34,620 --> 00:12:36,100 The applicant appellant. 173 00:12:37,140 --> 00:12:38,550 Didn't take that opportunity. 174 00:12:38,980 --> 00:12:40,620 And wish the. 175 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:41,900 Planning Commission to take. 176 00:12:42,020 --> 00:12:42,660 As is. 177 00:12:43,450 --> 00:12:44,070 So with that. 178 00:12:59,570 --> 00:13:03,070 Ron and Melissa Hilton, 2397 E Mary Holiday Rd. 179 00:13:07,670 --> 00:13:08,470 So I don't. 180 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:09,460 Plan to take. 181 00:13:09,580 --> 00:13:11,500 15 minutes. Thank you. 182 00:13:11,940 --> 00:13:12,780 Pretty busy. 183 00:13:13,580 --> 00:13:14,620 Agenda tonight. 184 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:19,540 Really, the sum and substance of our appeal is. 185 00:13:19,660 --> 00:13:21,060 Can be found on one page. 186 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:23,940 We were invited to. 187 00:13:24,020 --> 00:13:25,740 Draft an appeal narrative. 188 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:28,740 And most of that is pictures, but most of the. 189 00:13:29,180 --> 00:13:30,780 The meat of it is on Page 1. 190 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:33,460 So the reason we. 191 00:13:33,820 --> 00:13:35,420 I didn't withdraw. 192 00:13:35,780 --> 00:13:37,780 The application. 193 00:13:38,780 --> 00:13:41,500 And I tried to clarify this with the Planning Commission. 194 00:13:44,300 --> 00:13:45,420 I I did. 195 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:47,780 We did eventually withdraw. 196 00:13:47,940 --> 00:13:48,700 Part of the. 197 00:13:48,820 --> 00:13:49,780 Application. 198 00:13:50,460 --> 00:13:52,980 And but it was kind of an all or nothing question. 199 00:13:53,260 --> 00:13:55,020 Before the Planning Commission, so we. 200 00:13:55,380 --> 00:13:59,180 It wasn't clear that we could withdraw just part of it, but that's what we eventually did. 201 00:14:00,420 --> 00:14:02,820 The original application included. 202 00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:05,100 Two conditional land uses. 203 00:14:05,540 --> 00:14:06,300 Which was a. 204 00:14:07,660 --> 00:14:08,820 An antique shop. 205 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:10,340 As a commercial abuse. 206 00:14:10,740 --> 00:14:12,900 And an additional dwelling unit on the property. 207 00:14:12,980 --> 00:14:15,140 Pretty, you know, behind the historic. 208 00:14:15,260 --> 00:14:18,540 Building and then there was also and I'm not sure. 209 00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:20,860 If we're supposed to consider these. 210 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:23,260 And there was also a modification. 211 00:14:23,820 --> 00:14:25,220 To historic property. 212 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:27,060 And so those were the. 213 00:14:27,420 --> 00:14:29,020 Land use and modification. 214 00:14:30,780 --> 00:14:31,460 I think the. 215 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:33,780 Land use is the more critical one. 216 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:36,620 You know the rest and everything else is. 217 00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:38,580 Agreements contingent on the approval of that. 218 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:39,980 So at this point. 219 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:43,980 Our only the only thing that we're appealing. 220 00:14:44,140 --> 00:14:46,180 In terms of land use, is the additional. 221 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:48,180 A unit? Umm. 222 00:14:49,420 --> 00:14:52,260 Just for a little historical background and. 223 00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:56,900 Mayor Fotheringham may recall this. 224 00:14:57,860 --> 00:14:59,140 At one point we were. 225 00:14:59,580 --> 00:15:01,740 Seeking a rezone of the property. 226 00:15:03,060 --> 00:15:04,940 From R110 to R210. 227 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:07,260 Essentially doubling the density. 228 00:15:08,470 --> 00:15:11,190 Umm, and that was not approved at my. 229 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:12,540 Recollections, I believe. 230 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:17,020 Uh, Paul Foddingham was in favor of that. 231 00:15:17,380 --> 00:15:21,140 And I think Steve Gunn also, I think it went down. 232 00:15:21,220 --> 00:15:23,100 To defeat 42, correct? 233 00:15:23,180 --> 00:15:25,740 Yeah, that's my recollection and we accepted that. 234 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:29,580 I we've, you know, been trying to work within that ever since. 235 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:33,100 So what we're proposing now? 236 00:15:33,660 --> 00:15:36,500 Is essentially half the density of what that would have been. 237 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:37,860 So a total of. 238 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:42,740 So that there's Holden Park South and north. 239 00:15:43,540 --> 00:15:46,460 Or not. This has nothing to do with the north. So Holden Park South. 240 00:15:46,580 --> 00:15:47,580 As three lots. 241 00:15:48,060 --> 00:15:49,100 1/2 and 2A. 242 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:53,900 Two way has a restriction on it saying that it has to be combined with an adjacent law. 243 00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:55,740 Presumably lot too. 244 00:15:56,740 --> 00:15:58,220 Oh, and so are. 245 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:03,580 Our request, our ask is to have that restriction removed so that 1/3. 246 00:16:04,690 --> 00:16:06,130 Unit the third. 247 00:16:07,140 --> 00:16:09,300 A separately owned home could be built there. 248 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,080 And this would. 249 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:15,780 So the historical. 250 00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:18,420 Ordinance that we're relying on. 251 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:22,420 Allows for that allows for a higher density up to 16. 252 00:16:22,580 --> 00:16:23,820 Units per acre. 253 00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:25,420 We're only requesting 1 unit. 254 00:16:25,780 --> 00:16:27,220 And which would bring up the total to. 255 00:16:28,180 --> 00:16:31,460 6 units per acre so far, far below what the. 256 00:16:31,580 --> 00:16:33,020 Maximum would be allowed. 257 00:16:33,380 --> 00:16:35,060 And very consistent. So the. 258 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:36,500 Holden Park N is. 259 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:38,100 Also, 16 is per acre. 260 00:16:39,140 --> 00:16:42,820 And as came out when we were talking about the rezone. 261 00:16:43,420 --> 00:16:46,500 This property is surrounded by higher density, so there's. 262 00:16:47,180 --> 00:16:50,100 Double the density both on the east and on the West. 263 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:51,340 There's uh. 264 00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:55,060 For twin homes on the. 265 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:56,900 West and two. 266 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,140 Non conforming twin homes on the east. 267 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:01,860 Umm, so. 268 00:17:03,540 --> 00:17:04,020 But they. 269 00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:06,380 Their grandfathered right? So anyway, we're surrounded by. 270 00:17:06,820 --> 00:17:08,790 High density and so I think. 271 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:12,420 The bottom line is our house, I feel, is very modest. 272 00:17:14,550 --> 00:17:15,710 Uh, as far as the uh. 273 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,110 The reason that. 274 00:17:19,420 --> 00:17:20,660 The Planning Commission. 275 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:21,900 Denied. 276 00:17:22,540 --> 00:17:25,110 It certainly had to do with the level of detail. 277 00:17:25,260 --> 00:17:26,780 I think there was also. 278 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:28,230 Quite a bit of. 279 00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:29,820 Public comment and. 280 00:17:30,910 --> 00:17:32,270 An e-mail sent. 281 00:17:32,620 --> 00:17:33,500 By the neighbors. 282 00:17:33,780 --> 00:17:35,180 Concerned with the. 283 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,790 The idea of an antique shop. 284 00:17:38,810 --> 00:17:41,460 So I don't know how much that might have factored into it, but my perception was that was a big part of it. So we've withdrawn 285 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:44,110 that. 286 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:49,660 And looking over the emails, I actually had not seen the emails until I saw this. 287 00:17:49,780 --> 00:17:53,660 Packet because those were those went straight to the Planning Commission, so I never saw them. 288 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:54,940 And reading over them. 289 00:17:55,580 --> 00:17:57,860 The only mention I see of anything to do with. 290 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:00,780 The additional Dwelling Unit 1 e-mail said. 291 00:18:01,020 --> 00:18:02,660 If the city were to approve. 292 00:18:03,140 --> 00:18:05,470 Turning Casper Cottage into a museum. 293 00:18:05,580 --> 00:18:07,980 And there ought to only be two homes besides them. 294 00:18:08,540 --> 00:18:09,260 Other than that. 295 00:18:10,020 --> 00:18:12,420 All the rest of the Commons was against. 296 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:15,180 The antique shops, so we're. 297 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:16,300 That's off the table. 298 00:18:16,420 --> 00:18:17,260 Hopefully that's. 299 00:18:18,020 --> 00:18:19,100 A moot point now. 300 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:21,060 So basically. 301 00:18:22,140 --> 00:18:24,100 Our main ask is. 302 00:18:25,620 --> 00:18:27,780 As far as the detail, let me speak to that. 303 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:34,020 It wasn't clear to me that we actually had to provide a lot of detail if all we were asking was. 304 00:18:34,180 --> 00:18:36,300 For relaxation of that requirement. 305 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:37,860 That was preventing the. 306 00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:39,580 The other unit from being built. 307 00:18:40,860 --> 00:18:44,700 That seemed pretty straightforward, just a waiver or whatever the right word is. 308 00:18:44,780 --> 00:18:46,380 Of that one sense. 309 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:48,580 Restriction. That's on that lot. 310 00:18:50,250 --> 00:18:51,350 Having said that. 311 00:18:51,620 --> 00:18:53,460 A year and a half ago we did, in fact. 312 00:18:53,620 --> 00:18:55,020 File a building permit. 313 00:18:55,220 --> 00:18:57,820 With a fully engineered set of plans site. 314 00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:01,460 You know the site plan and everything, so this. 315 00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:04,260 That this city has that so as part of this if. 316 00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:09,260 If the council approves the waiver of that restriction and allows. 317 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:12,100 The additional unit to be built. 318 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:17,900 Them the staff already housed the plan the the detailed plans of what we would do there. 319 00:19:18,820 --> 00:19:21,060 And we would, you know, request that. 320 00:19:21,180 --> 00:19:22,180 That wouldn't involve. 321 00:19:22,460 --> 00:19:25,540 The Planning Commission or the City Council that would be staffed to. 322 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:27,420 Put the final approval on that. 323 00:19:28,140 --> 00:19:29,540 So those details are there because. 324 00:19:29,660 --> 00:19:31,620 That's what I'm saying. It didn't come out. 325 00:19:32,060 --> 00:19:34,580 You know, as we didn't think it was necessary. 326 00:19:34,940 --> 00:19:36,820 As part of the. 327 00:19:37,220 --> 00:19:39,260 Historic conditional use but. 328 00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:40,060 It's there. 329 00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:41,780 So I'm just pointing that out. 330 00:19:42,220 --> 00:19:42,820 The other. 331 00:19:43,570 --> 00:19:44,830 Issue detail. 332 00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:48,540 So that that that was detailed for the additional use. 333 00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:50,420 For Casper Cottage itself. 334 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:54,740 I would I would admit that there was. 335 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:55,860 In sufficient detail. 336 00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:58,700 This is for the second-half the. 337 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:00,660 The proposed modification. 338 00:20:00,740 --> 00:20:01,740 Of the actual. 339 00:20:01,940 --> 00:20:02,780 Structure. 340 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:07,300 For that we provided only a an artist rendering of the. 341 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:09,580 What the external appearance would be? 342 00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:10,580 And then we'll bring. 343 00:20:10,940 --> 00:20:12,060 Very rough. 344 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:13,220 Footprint. 345 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:15,140 Hardly even called floor plan. 346 00:20:16,580 --> 00:20:18,550 The reason for that was because. 347 00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:24,220 We had proposed the idea that it could possibly be a museum. 348 00:20:24,610 --> 00:20:25,650 And so because. 349 00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:28,090 We didn't know whether or not that would be approved. 350 00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:28,770 And still. 351 00:20:28,890 --> 00:20:30,930 Don't know and you know that's still open question. 352 00:20:31,290 --> 00:20:32,170 That would affect. 353 00:20:32,250 --> 00:20:33,210 The details. 354 00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:35,330 Plans and layout. 355 00:20:35,530 --> 00:20:36,780 So that was the only reason that. 356 00:20:36,930 --> 00:20:38,210 That that detail was. 357 00:20:40,210 --> 00:20:41,490 You know, so if you wanted to. 358 00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:44,210 Deny that particular part on that basis, I mean. 359 00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:46,170 We're hoping that you would approve. 360 00:20:46,570 --> 00:20:47,970 Just the the rough. 361 00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:49,810 You know the external appearance, so. 362 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:50,890 That we can then. 363 00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:53,130 We would then go back to the Planning Commission. 364 00:20:53,330 --> 00:20:55,490 With the detailed modifications. 365 00:20:56,890 --> 00:20:58,940 With that direction, knowing that. 366 00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:02,850 You know that our basic concept is is approved and then we could. 367 00:21:03,010 --> 00:21:08,090 Could have that detail. So that's kind of what we're hoping for. But the most important thing is actually the additional use. 368 00:21:08,210 --> 00:21:09,690 Because as I explained it here. 369 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:12,090 And the question that the city. 370 00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:13,330 Had was. 371 00:21:13,570 --> 00:21:15,570 You know how does this additional use support? 372 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:17,570 Support the historic preservation. 373 00:21:18,170 --> 00:21:21,530 And basically. 374 00:21:21,970 --> 00:21:22,770 Without it. 375 00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:26,930 I don't believe that we can preserve Casper Cottage. There's kind of a two-part. 376 00:21:27,490 --> 00:21:29,210 Process here you've already approved. 377 00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:33,090 The designation and the listing of Casper Cottage is historic. 378 00:21:33,650 --> 00:21:34,570 But to make that. 379 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:38,900 Uh, practically and economically feasible. 380 00:21:39,410 --> 00:21:40,290 That's why. 381 00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:44,130 The holiday ordinance has this long list of conditional uses so that. 382 00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:45,730 You can use that. 383 00:21:46,330 --> 00:21:48,010 Historic property in a way that. 384 00:21:48,130 --> 00:21:50,610 That is sustainable going forward. 385 00:21:51,090 --> 00:21:51,770 And so. 386 00:21:53,410 --> 00:21:54,530 Without that. 387 00:21:55,210 --> 00:21:57,770 Conditional without that additional. 388 00:21:57,930 --> 00:21:58,970 Unit being approved. 389 00:21:59,290 --> 00:22:00,770 Essentially what would happen is. 390 00:22:01,650 --> 00:22:03,570 Two and two AB combined. 391 00:22:05,010 --> 00:22:07,210 The Casper cottage would most likely be. 392 00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:09,770 Demolished and a much larger home would be built. 393 00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:10,810 Which would be. 394 00:22:11,010 --> 00:22:13,450 Entirely out of character with the surrounding. 395 00:22:15,290 --> 00:22:16,650 Historic Bungalow District. 396 00:22:17,010 --> 00:22:18,290 They were trying to. 397 00:22:18,650 --> 00:22:19,690 Be compatible with. 398 00:22:20,050 --> 00:22:22,130 So it's very much. 399 00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:23,170 Related to. 400 00:22:23,370 --> 00:22:24,810 Maintaining the historical. 401 00:22:25,530 --> 00:22:26,650 Character of the area. 402 00:22:28,530 --> 00:22:30,970 Anyway, that's pretty much all I have. Do you have anything? 403 00:22:31,290 --> 00:22:31,850 Melissa. Nope. 404 00:22:32,290 --> 00:22:35,090 So that's that's essentially what we're asking is. 405 00:22:36,010 --> 00:22:37,650 Essentially waiver of that one little. 406 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:40,370 Restrictions so that we can go ahead with our building permit. 407 00:22:40,570 --> 00:22:41,370 Build that home. 408 00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:45,130 Have the same density as the whole rest of the PUD. 409 00:22:45,690 --> 00:22:48,730 Same compatibility with the surrounding Bungalow district. 410 00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:50,050 And preserve. 411 00:22:50,130 --> 00:22:51,370 The existing historical. 412 00:22:51,690 --> 00:22:52,450 That's our goal. 413 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:57,060 OK. And I'd be happy to answer any questions at hand. 414 00:22:57,330 --> 00:22:59,050 OK. And we, we may again. 415 00:22:59,330 --> 00:23:00,570 Uh, involved. 416 00:23:01,210 --> 00:23:03,130 Ask once, I ask a question now. 417 00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:06,220 OK, well. 418 00:23:06,490 --> 00:23:07,250 Maybe come back to you? 419 00:23:08,130 --> 00:23:08,930 OK, staff. 420 00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:22,660 Thank you, Mayor. Council staff's presentation tonight is. 421 00:23:23,130 --> 00:23:25,050 Will be basically a. 422 00:23:25,810 --> 00:23:30,890 Overview of how the application was received and processed and then delivered to the Planning Commission. 423 00:23:31,170 --> 00:23:33,090 And the. 424 00:23:33,250 --> 00:23:36,730 An additional overview of how the Planning Commission decided. 425 00:23:36,850 --> 00:23:38,210 And deliberated over. 426 00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:39,490 That is the decision. 427 00:23:42,930 --> 00:23:44,530 The applicant RIP. 428 00:23:44,890 --> 00:23:47,490 Presented an application to the city's. 429 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:52,730 Technical review committee for a conditional use permit for site modifications. 430 00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:54,810 And then additional land uses. 431 00:23:55,090 --> 00:23:58,050 That which were allowed by historic preservation ordinance. 432 00:23:59,850 --> 00:24:03,970 The TRC's assessment of what's been what would have been proposed met the definition of. 433 00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:05,570 Site modification. 434 00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:06,770 Of the historic. 435 00:24:07,210 --> 00:24:08,490 Designated property. 436 00:24:09,290 --> 00:24:11,930 That you can be various things. 437 00:24:12,410 --> 00:24:16,650 Demolitions to remodels to roof transitions to landscaping to fencing, et cetera. 438 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:19,170 Those types of modifications. 439 00:24:19,570 --> 00:24:20,410 Can be made. 440 00:24:21,410 --> 00:24:24,010 Only by the Planning Commission through a conditional use permit. 441 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:27,820 Details were provided to the staff. 442 00:24:28,250 --> 00:24:32,780 And then subsequently a staff report was created for the Planning Commission on that aspect. 443 00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:35,010 At the time. 444 00:24:35,530 --> 00:24:38,660 The assessment of the review of the of the application. 445 00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:44,770 There were some questions from staff that were written into the staff report that. 446 00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:45,610 Sort of. 447 00:24:45,970 --> 00:24:49,850 Alluded to the fact that there could be additional questions that needed to be answered as far as materials of the proper of them 448 00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:53,730 that were going to be used before the House. 449 00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:55,370 Landscaping. 450 00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:58,300 And other items. 451 00:25:00,290 --> 00:25:02,370 Our architectural vernacular, that would. 452 00:25:02,690 --> 00:25:04,130 Match this idea of. 453 00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:05,370 Mimicking. 454 00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:07,530 Bungalows in the in the vicinity. 455 00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:09,250 On that. 456 00:25:09,410 --> 00:25:11,570 Aspect What the plan or the city? 457 00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:15,250 Staff was recommending was to at least open the public hearing. 458 00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:19,250 Find out the additional information that could be derived. 459 00:25:19,690 --> 00:25:21,970 And continue the application to another time. 460 00:25:23,550 --> 00:25:26,580 And that was written into the staff report and considered by the Planning Commission. 461 00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:30,250 The second aspect were the additional land uses. 462 00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:33,370 That to where we're being requested from the property owner. 463 00:25:34,210 --> 00:25:38,170 Specifically an additional dwelling unit, which isn't allowed. 464 00:25:38,250 --> 00:25:38,930 Type of. 465 00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:44,740 Land use which is intended to sustain a historic Preserva historic property. 466 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,260 And also an antique shop with a museum component. 467 00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:55,410 I won't go into the details of the museum component. I mean the applicant has given you some history on that. 468 00:25:56,130 --> 00:25:58,410 The use for the antique shop. 469 00:25:58,850 --> 00:26:04,210 As an additional land use, there is some critical criteria that the staff provided the the Planning Commission. 470 00:26:04,570 --> 00:26:05,890 On reviewing. 471 00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:08,290 As they consider that use. 472 00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:19,130 As not very much detail was provided to staff as far as in the application packet is what the antique operate store the operation. 473 00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:20,170 Hours, uh. 474 00:26:20,410 --> 00:26:21,170 Parking, uh. 475 00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:22,970 Landscaping. 476 00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:25,810 And all the other elements that would come with a retail. 477 00:26:26,290 --> 00:26:27,130 Property, uh. 478 00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:29,610 Again, the Staffs. 479 00:26:29,770 --> 00:26:32,690 Recommendation was to at least open the public hearing. 480 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:37,770 Find out what the Planning Commission's top Illinois concerns were. 481 00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:42,610 And continue the item to another hearing so that the applicant had an opportunity to. 482 00:26:42,770 --> 00:26:44,050 Address those concerns. 483 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,940 The second component would be the accessory dwelling unit. 484 00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:52,050 At this point the. 485 00:26:52,210 --> 00:26:54,930 The application for that was. 486 00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:56,930 Sort of at a standstill. 487 00:26:57,050 --> 00:27:00,330 Mainly because of the conditional use permit, which. 488 00:27:01,140 --> 00:27:04,420 Controls the planned unit development that the property is in. 489 00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:10,580 The staff report addressed the additional dwelling unit is something that could be asked for. 490 00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:16,170 But additional conversation with the applicant and how the the amendment for that conditional use permit would have to have we 491 00:27:16,170 --> 00:27:20,730 have that conversation would have to have be had in that. 492 00:27:20,850 --> 00:27:22,170 That Planning Commission hearing. 493 00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:28,230 So therefore the the planning staff report was forwarded to the Planning Commission and and an opening and their opening of the 494 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:32,450 hearing and deliberation of. 495 00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:35,010 Of all the merits of the. 496 00:27:35,130 --> 00:27:36,010 Presentation. 497 00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:37,570 Were held at. 498 00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:41,250 Their April April public hearing. 499 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:48,460 The Planning Commission deliberated in two parts, 1 the site modification and then secondary the land use. 500 00:27:48,970 --> 00:27:50,690 Elements for conditional uses. 501 00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:54,700 Various conversations from the Planning Commission was held and. 502 00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:56,890 Majority of that you have in your minutes. 503 00:27:57,530 --> 00:28:03,010 As far as what is the intent of mimicking the bungalows within the area? 504 00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:07,020 Quite a bit of conversation was held on. 505 00:28:09,410 --> 00:28:12,410 The images that were provided. 506 00:28:12,610 --> 00:28:15,050 To the Planning Commission which were in your packet. 507 00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:17,820 Being proposed as. 508 00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:20,290 Maybe something that could be considered? 509 00:28:20,410 --> 00:28:25,650 But they would like to have had quite a bit more detail as to what the materials would be used. 510 00:28:26,410 --> 00:28:29,210 Maybe even the window sizes. You know that type of. 511 00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:32,380 Those types of details and elements they were trying to. 512 00:28:32,770 --> 00:28:33,610 Figure out. 513 00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:35,780 While that meeting was taken. 514 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:37,890 Place, and I don't think they really got to that. 515 00:28:38,010 --> 00:28:39,250 The end of that point. 516 00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:42,100 Because the overarching theme. 517 00:28:42,490 --> 00:28:45,970 For at least the Planning Commission at the time, was this land use? 518 00:28:46,050 --> 00:28:48,490 Component of an antique store. 519 00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:52,410 With this overarching theme of what a museum could possibly be. 520 00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:57,090 So the Planning Commission's review of an additional land use is. 521 00:28:57,610 --> 00:29:03,290 Primarily to understand how it supports the historic preservation, historic property and to preserve to preserve it. 522 00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:05,330 And sustain it in perpetuity. 523 00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:09,340 Conversations were held on. 524 00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:11,450 The aspects of what? 525 00:29:11,770 --> 00:29:13,930 A retail use would be on this site. 526 00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:17,610 Everything from parking both on site and off site. 527 00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:19,650 Hours of operation. 528 00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:24,730 And then other elements of what the remodel of the inside of the space would look like as well, which? 529 00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:27,050 They did have a floor plan to review but. 530 00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:31,170 As you can see from the minutes of the meeting. 531 00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:34,530 Not as much detail as they had really anticipated. 532 00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:38,370 That was overarched that theme. 533 00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:39,530 Of an architectural. 534 00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:41,980 Styling that was missing. 535 00:29:42,250 --> 00:29:45,450 As far and then also some missing details on. 536 00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:51,010 How that antique store was to be operated as a retail use within a residential neighborhood. 537 00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:52,850 Being also sort of. 538 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:54,330 Unclear. 539 00:29:54,490 --> 00:29:56,490 Was overshadowed by the idea of. 540 00:29:57,890 --> 00:29:59,610 Another additional dwelling unit. 541 00:29:59,970 --> 00:30:02,890 And then a museum component which they didn't know what the. 542 00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:04,930 That they didn't have the authority to review. 543 00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:06,370 Essentially. 544 00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:10,940 The and then so then the second part. 545 00:30:11,050 --> 00:30:15,130 It was very quickly discussed on the additional dwelling unit. 546 00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:17,730 The aspect of that was. 547 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:19,930 Brought up by two commissioners. 548 00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:21,130 Specifically, uh. 549 00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:23,850 Who questioned as to whether or not? 550 00:30:24,450 --> 00:30:28,610 An additional volume. It would violate that conditional use permit for the planned unit development. 551 00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:30,410 As you know. 552 00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:34,530 Through the your PUD ordinance. 553 00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:37,340 Very specific limitations. 554 00:30:37,770 --> 00:30:43,370 Are exercised on subdivisions which don't meet minimum. 555 00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:48,290 Or the standard development practice for a normal subdivision within a zone. 556 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,620 Those specific parameters are. 557 00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:53,530 Detailed in a conditional use permit. 558 00:30:54,090 --> 00:31:00,610 And that conditional use permit set forth a maximum number of units for this subdivision, both the North and South. 559 00:31:01,290 --> 00:31:06,850 And that they were concerned of having that being direct conflict with that conditional use permit. 560 00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:13,700 It was explained by legal counsel and staff that if they were comfortable with having an additional dwelling unit there. 561 00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:16,810 Which would put them to the 7 units. 562 00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:18,130 Rather than 6. 563 00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:20,290 Modify. 564 00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:25,130 Conditioned by the Planning Commission for a PUD at this site. 565 00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:30,770 Then that consideration would have to be brought back to the Planning Commission for an amendment to the PUD. 566 00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:35,930 And an amendment to the conditional use permit for that accessory dwelling unit, which would then. 567 00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:38,770 Support the historic preservation of the property. 568 00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:47,020 At that point that I think the Chair was given the the applicant an opportunity to. 569 00:31:48,130 --> 00:31:51,970 Either withdraw that at this application so that it could come back at a different time. 570 00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:56,170 With further more information and better detail of drawings. 571 00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:57,930 So that. 572 00:31:58,290 --> 00:32:00,130 More robust conversation could be had. 573 00:32:01,530 --> 00:32:07,660 That that opportunity was denied by the applicant and therefore the Planning Commission decided. 574 00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:11,250 At this point, without as much information as they possibly could. 575 00:32:11,490 --> 00:32:12,970 A denial of all three. 576 00:32:13,170 --> 00:32:14,970 Audits was sufficient. 577 00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:23,700 And I think that as far as the staff report and the Planning Commission's determination, that would be. 578 00:32:24,530 --> 00:32:27,180 The background of what the application was. 579 00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:33,060 I'd be happy to take any other coin here. 580 00:32:33,610 --> 00:32:35,530 A couple of questions actually, yeah. 581 00:32:39,370 --> 00:32:39,890 Can the? 582 00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:41,930 Petitioner or the applicant reapply. 583 00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:47,020 Yes. Is there any restriction on the time or anything like that? I believe it would be a year. 584 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,680 OK. And. 585 00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:54,620 The applicant mentioned the fact that there had been some building plans submitted for the. 586 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,580 Some portion of the building. 587 00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:57,690 Or something. 588 00:32:58,010 --> 00:33:02,260 Does is there any mechanism for how that gets to the Planning Commission or becomes part of the record? 589 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:09,500 No, the building permit that was applied for was on the lot 2A where the. 590 00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:13,170 The lot that has the historic property on it currently. 591 00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:17,770 The restriction through the PUD for that lot 2A was. 592 00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:19,210 For it to be. 593 00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:21,170 Either used as common space. 594 00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:24,860 And or combined within a budding property. 595 00:33:26,190 --> 00:33:29,140 When the applicant submitted the building permit for that lot. 596 00:33:29,970 --> 00:33:32,170 The land use. 597 00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:34,810 Provision was not in place. 598 00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:37,210 For a home to be permitted on that property. 599 00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:39,850 And therefore it was denied. 600 00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:41,610 Was the was that? 601 00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:45,730 Was the documentation for that permit submitted or discussed at the? 602 00:33:45,930 --> 00:33:47,330 Public service. The public. 603 00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:49,570 The Planning Commission hearing, Excuse me. 604 00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:52,090 I can't recall. 605 00:33:57,010 --> 00:33:57,650 Thank you. 606 00:33:59,530 --> 00:34:01,850 I had, excuse me, I had a few questions. 607 00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:05,490 When does the Technical Review Committee or the city have a? 608 00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:07,610 Any standard or responsibility to. 609 00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:10,100 Certify that an application is. 610 00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:15,370 Complete or adequate enough before it goes forward with the Planning Commission or how does that? 611 00:34:15,450 --> 00:34:17,050 Work right? 612 00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:23,610 So the the TRC reviews specifically the ordinance on what's required to be submitted for a conditional use permit. 613 00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:26,050 The materials. 614 00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:27,730 Substantially met. 615 00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:30,460 Complete application that could be considered. 616 00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:31,410 By the the. 617 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:32,850 The Planning Commission itself. 618 00:34:33,490 --> 00:34:36,420 A site plan, floor plan, elevations. 619 00:34:36,810 --> 00:34:40,210 We're all part of the application, a narrative which described the uses. 620 00:34:40,850 --> 00:34:43,660 But conditional use permits are such. 621 00:34:43,810 --> 00:34:48,580 They're complicated enough that it does more at sometimes additional information. 622 00:34:49,650 --> 00:34:54,650 That is requested through a staff report to the from the Planning Commission so that they. 623 00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:57,090 At least have an opportunity to. 624 00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:59,530 Understand what the application is as a whole. 625 00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:04,140 And then request specific elements to help them make that decision. 626 00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:07,410 But at the time for review. 627 00:35:09,210 --> 00:35:14,970 It was from the applicant's point of view. It was something that was time of the essence. 628 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,980 We believed we had enough information to at least start the conversation. 629 00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:23,850 For us, the historic site modification modifying the house's exterior. 630 00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:25,410 And architectural elements. 631 00:35:26,330 --> 00:35:28,770 How those elements were to be fleshed out to be. 632 00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:29,810 More historic. 633 00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:34,690 Or in more incompatible with additional bungalows in the area. 634 00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:36,770 Really needed the Planning Commission's input. 635 00:35:37,850 --> 00:35:39,300 To have that conversation. 636 00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:43,970 And especially with the the use of the retail space as an antique store. 637 00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:48,610 Needed at least the public comment open to find out what. 638 00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:53,330 Potential impacts would be needed to be considered so that conditions could be placed on that. 639 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,000 Thanks. 640 00:35:57,090 --> 00:35:58,210 I saw a question about this. 641 00:35:58,810 --> 00:35:59,810 Modifications. 642 00:36:01,530 --> 00:36:03,890 Is I think the property got designated. 643 00:36:03,970 --> 00:36:07,610 There's a kind of historic designation in February, maybe. 644 00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:11,210 Is it? Is it? It's more of a hypothetical, but. 645 00:36:11,650 --> 00:36:12,970 Could the. 646 00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:15,650 Appellant made. 647 00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:19,140 Before prior to getting the historic designation because they've made these modifications. 648 00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:20,850 Yes, and then? 649 00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:23,530 Can they still receive a historic designation afterwards? 650 00:36:24,210 --> 00:36:25,690 It may be more difficult. 651 00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:28,650 Situation because they had made modifications to it. 652 00:36:29,050 --> 00:36:31,570 We have run into that before with other houses. 653 00:36:31,810 --> 00:36:32,570 In the city. 654 00:36:33,610 --> 00:36:37,010 The conversations on those homes take two or three. 655 00:36:37,330 --> 00:36:39,170 Planning Commission meetings to work through. 656 00:36:39,570 --> 00:36:42,210 Because of the changes that have been decided to be made. 657 00:36:43,050 --> 00:36:45,530 To the home proprietor, to historic designation. 658 00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:48,010 May detract or sometimes add to. 659 00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:52,250 And that conversation usually has to be fleshed out in that public hearing. 660 00:36:56,090 --> 00:36:57,690 Had the applicant withdrawn? 661 00:36:57,850 --> 00:36:58,930 The application at the. 662 00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:01,610 Like the Planning Commission meeting? 663 00:37:01,770 --> 00:37:05,090 With the same time restriction have applied or would they have? 664 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:09,610 Began again from their initial problem. I believe it would not. 665 00:37:09,970 --> 00:37:12,530 If they were, a withdrawn could have happened. 666 00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:16,290 A reassessment or reapplication could be made. 667 00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:18,690 And then start the process over again. 668 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:20,330 As soon as the applicant was ready. 669 00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:22,210 Yeah, I believe there's an opportunity either. 670 00:37:22,850 --> 00:37:24,370 Uh, continue which? 671 00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:25,490 Insinuates. 672 00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:27,010 To the next meeting. 673 00:37:27,610 --> 00:37:28,570 Or table. 674 00:37:28,650 --> 00:37:29,890 Tell a specific date. 675 00:37:30,370 --> 00:37:31,370 Or withdraw. 676 00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:33,690 To a less definite time frame. 677 00:37:34,090 --> 00:37:34,850 But then. 678 00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:38,090 Resubmit at any time without restriction. 679 00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:40,970 And each of those, as I recall, were. 680 00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:41,850 Offered but. 681 00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:43,290 Refused by the applicant. 682 00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:45,010 Appellant, Right. 683 00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:51,220 I guess the other thing would be with regard to the. 684 00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:54,610 A request for additional information. 685 00:37:54,810 --> 00:37:55,770 And then the. 686 00:37:56,290 --> 00:37:57,850 Process of offering to. 687 00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:00,850 To withdraw or table. 688 00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:06,690 Uh, it didn't seem like I I. 689 00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:08,130 I had watched the. 690 00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:09,420 The Planning Commission meeting. 691 00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:11,090 As when the appeal came up. 692 00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:11,930 But I. 693 00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:14,010 Didn't get a sense and and. 694 00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:15,010 That they're. 695 00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:19,170 Was any sense that the additional information being requested was? 696 00:38:19,290 --> 00:38:20,690 Particularly onerous. 697 00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:23,330 Given the context of what was being asked. 698 00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:25,450 That didn't seem to be a concern. 699 00:38:26,090 --> 00:38:27,890 I didn't recall that. 700 00:38:28,810 --> 00:38:30,650 In addition, I believe. 701 00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:32,210 Staff and legal counsel. 702 00:38:34,590 --> 00:38:36,620 Made an overture to the. 703 00:38:36,850 --> 00:38:38,570 The Planning Commission to at least. 704 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:40,090 Consider a continuance. 705 00:38:40,850 --> 00:38:43,620 With some specific elements that they were. 706 00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:45,690 Wanting to have come back with. 707 00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:47,250 That was decided. 708 00:38:47,530 --> 00:38:48,570 Was not to be. 709 00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:49,690 Considered OK. 710 00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:58,930 There's been mention of additional information being needed about the. 711 00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:01,180 Antique store. 712 00:39:01,610 --> 00:39:02,810 Part of the plan. 713 00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:05,220 Which of course the. 714 00:39:05,330 --> 00:39:07,450 Has tonight withdrawn? 715 00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:09,490 My question is whether? 716 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,900 The Planning Commission felt like they needed additional information for the land use piece of it. 717 00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:19,050 For the you've mentioned they wanted to build. 718 00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:21,210 An Adu on the back of the. 719 00:39:21,330 --> 00:39:23,210 Lot that the historic building. 720 00:39:23,650 --> 00:39:27,530 Sits on. Was that information lacking as well? 721 00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:31,730 Not for that component, not necessarily. 722 00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:34,860 They primarily focused on where. 723 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:38,170 The additional onsite parking would be attained. 724 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,100 Conversations were had on street. 725 00:39:41,250 --> 00:39:42,770 Availability of on street parking. 726 00:39:44,410 --> 00:39:45,970 But they were more concerned with. 727 00:39:46,330 --> 00:39:48,090 How to get parking off the street? 728 00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:49,010 On the site. 729 00:39:49,690 --> 00:39:51,450 Without disrupting the homes that would. 730 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:52,370 Behind umm. 731 00:39:52,770 --> 00:39:54,690 The proposed antique store. 732 00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:58,290 Well then another word 2 motions. There is one about the. 733 00:39:58,370 --> 00:40:00,450 Site modification of historic home. 734 00:40:00,890 --> 00:40:02,050 And the land use. 735 00:40:02,210 --> 00:40:04,690 And both of those motions were essentially. 736 00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:06,050 Duplicates you. 737 00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:07,770 Good duplicates of each other in that. 738 00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:09,370 Both were denied. 739 00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:13,060 Due to lack of completeness of the application. 740 00:40:13,450 --> 00:40:15,010 So that would apply to both. 741 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,580 Pieces. 742 00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:17,850 That's how you. 743 00:40:17,970 --> 00:40:19,450 They needed more information. 744 00:40:19,930 --> 00:40:22,290 On each item separately in order to. 745 00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:23,490 Rule on the merits. 746 00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:25,170 And didn't feel like they had enough. 747 00:40:25,410 --> 00:40:26,810 So it was all one. 748 00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:28,010 Application. 749 00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:30,370 An application with two pieces to it. 750 00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:31,410 OK. Thank you. 751 00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:35,780 Is that is that fair to? 752 00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:37,210 Fair representation. 753 00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:37,650 Right. 754 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,120 I have another question. 755 00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:45,830 I guess back to the historical designation issue. 756 00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:47,670 Like if the client. 757 00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:49,710 Or sorry if the applicant. 758 00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:52,390 The applet is able to. 759 00:40:52,830 --> 00:40:56,630 Resend the OR petition to get the designation and resend to the. 760 00:40:57,350 --> 00:40:59,990 Is that correct at any time if they want to? 761 00:41:00,910 --> 00:41:02,430 If I understand the question if. 762 00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:07,630 Historic designation can be removed from the property upon the request. Yes they can. 763 00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:13,870 And would the standard be the same to get for the additional dwelling unit or any adding property with it? 764 00:41:13,950 --> 00:41:17,510 Would that be a harder standard or easier standard I guess if it was removed? 765 00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:25,520 I'm not sure if it would be an easier standard or would be the same. It would probably be the same process generally. 766 00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:26,990 As I understand it, you. 767 00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:30,990 You if you get the historic designation. 768 00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:32,630 You were then, uh. 769 00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:35,750 Extended some additional uses. 770 00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:38,150 Um, and so if. 771 00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:40,110 Designation removed. 772 00:41:40,270 --> 00:41:42,190 The additional uses would also. 773 00:41:42,430 --> 00:41:42,990 Come off. 774 00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:46,030 So that's there's a trade off. 775 00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:47,270 Sure. And. 776 00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:51,040 And so, yeah. 777 00:41:51,310 --> 00:41:54,150 There there is. You give something to get. 778 00:41:54,350 --> 00:41:54,910 Something, uh. 779 00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:56,750 Just yeah, I mean, because. 780 00:41:56,830 --> 00:41:57,870 We can get into this with. 781 00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:59,440 Mr. Hilton, maybe if we need to, but. 782 00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:00,510 My understanding. 783 00:42:00,950 --> 00:42:01,430 Part of the. 784 00:42:01,630 --> 00:42:03,150 His reasoning was. 785 00:42:03,590 --> 00:42:04,430 Possibly. 786 00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:07,710 Make converting into an antique shop or in a museum. 787 00:42:08,430 --> 00:42:14,230 I guess if I guess the museum might still be an issue or still pending as a possibility, but at the antique shop isn't. 788 00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:16,910 Anyway, just thinking that then maybe it's not. 789 00:42:17,590 --> 00:42:20,470 I mean, I guess if the museum's still a component, then I guess that wouldn't. 790 00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:22,830 You know, yeah, I get, I get your point. 791 00:42:23,570 --> 00:42:24,640 Yeah, I mean the other thing that. 792 00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:26,630 That wasn't really ruled on. 793 00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:28,110 Because of the. 794 00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:30,870 The Planning Commission thought the impact. 795 00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:32,910 Complete information in order to make a. 796 00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:35,630 The rule on the merits was that. 797 00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:37,230 There's the quest. 798 00:42:37,590 --> 00:42:38,950 Of umm. 799 00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:40,550 You can have. 800 00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:42,710 Additional. 801 00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:45,550 Density if you want to call it that. But is that for? 802 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,560 The historic building. 803 00:42:48,430 --> 00:42:51,030 Or can you then? 804 00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:53,070 Add additional buildings. 805 00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:56,360 Does that? Is that part of the? 806 00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:58,070 The additional uses. 807 00:42:58,750 --> 00:43:00,150 Add additional buildings. 808 00:43:00,670 --> 00:43:03,030 For those additional uses Or is it? 809 00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:05,310 Meant to add those. 810 00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:08,230 Uses to the historic building itself. 811 00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:10,350 And I think that was something that was. 812 00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:13,390 A question in the minds of the Planning Commission, as I. 813 00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:15,710 Reviewed the minutes and saw the recording. 814 00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:17,670 But they never got. 815 00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:20,350 That far to rule on the merits of that because of. 816 00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:23,430 They're perceived incompleteness of the application. 817 00:43:23,790 --> 00:43:24,750 So both the. 818 00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:27,080 The site modifications. 819 00:43:27,590 --> 00:43:29,910 And then the additional uses there seem to be. 820 00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:32,430 Questions on both of those that were not. 821 00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:34,750 Adequately answered in the application. 822 00:43:35,110 --> 00:43:36,150 So they didn't get. 823 00:43:36,860 --> 00:43:39,200 To rule on the merits, anything in either case. 824 00:43:39,350 --> 00:43:40,270 Was my perception. 825 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:43,520 So I just. 826 00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:45,590 Clarify So as far as the. 827 00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:49,190 Modifications of the historic building. 828 00:43:49,550 --> 00:43:50,070 What was? 829 00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:52,950 On that piece of the application was. 830 00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:56,870 Specifications as far as materials, the size of the windows. 831 00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:57,990 It sounds like there was. 832 00:43:58,990 --> 00:43:59,910 An idea of. 833 00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:00,870 Changing the. 834 00:44:01,030 --> 00:44:06,840 Roof structure. So that's my first question is what is what specifically was missing on that? And then as far as? 835 00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:09,950 The additional use of having the. 836 00:44:10,110 --> 00:44:11,310 Additional building. 837 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:12,950 There were really no plans. 838 00:44:13,070 --> 00:44:17,670 Submitted for that building. And so that's essentially what was missing for that piece is that. 839 00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:21,870 It might, I'm understanding that correctly. Yeah, for the historic modification for the site. 840 00:44:23,230 --> 00:44:26,710 Really, they were. They were trying to understand what we were trying to match. 841 00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:29,030 What is? What was the applicant trying to mimic? 842 00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:31,440 And then without any examples. 843 00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:32,990 To compare it to. 844 00:44:33,390 --> 00:44:36,990 And they and plus with all the public comment that was. 845 00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:38,590 Coming to them. 846 00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:40,990 They didn't really know how to address that. OK. 847 00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:45,590 So that was something that they were lacking, that they felt that they needed to have. 848 00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:53,190 And then the land use for the additional dwelling unit, yes, there wasn't a site plan that just showed how that would be laid out. 849 00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:54,550 How would we interact with the? 850 00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:56,630 The antique store. 851 00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:57,830 How it was supported? 852 00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,880 Those types of elements. 853 00:45:00,110 --> 00:45:02,790 It sounds like the applicant has that. 854 00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:06,190 They just did not submit it as part of this process I mean. 855 00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:08,750 That was never submitted. 856 00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:10,910 As far as the part of this application. 857 00:45:10,990 --> 00:45:12,350 It wasn't in the application OK. 858 00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:16,460 Jo John has. 859 00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:19,960 Has this idea that coupling? 860 00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:21,470 Some sort of? 861 00:45:21,870 --> 00:45:25,190 Umm, commercial. 862 00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:27,590 Or nonprofit use. 863 00:45:27,870 --> 00:45:29,430 With a historic property. 864 00:45:30,730 --> 00:45:31,730 As a way of. 865 00:45:32,850 --> 00:45:34,570 Preserving the site is a historic. 866 00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:35,630 Building. 867 00:45:36,330 --> 00:45:39,800 Is that I guess first of all, was that. 868 00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:41,430 Discussed. 869 00:45:42,330 --> 00:45:46,920 Planning Commission hearing and secondly was is that kind of a recognized? 870 00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:50,240 Way of demonstrating. 871 00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:52,710 Umm, the intent or? 872 00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:58,710 You know, option for preserving an historic site. 873 00:46:01,030 --> 00:46:02,160 Umm, I don't believe that they. 874 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,080 Really. Discuss. 875 00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:09,110 Point. But as far as the ordinance is concerned, that is the intent. 876 00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:11,270 And the intent is to use. 877 00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:14,550 The findings to. 878 00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:19,470 What the historic site is intended to preserve? Was it architectural? 879 00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:20,550 Uniqueness. 880 00:46:20,910 --> 00:46:22,870 Was it a matter of a? 881 00:46:23,790 --> 00:46:26,520 Important individual in the community. 882 00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:29,590 Maybe it's a historic artifact. 883 00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:32,590 Something that is intended to be. 884 00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:34,230 Preserved in perpetuity. 885 00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:39,350 And those land uses are intended to ensure the Planning Commission that these land uses. 886 00:46:39,590 --> 00:46:40,950 Can be used to bolster. 887 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:42,830 What that that historic property? 888 00:46:43,070 --> 00:46:45,390 Was intended to be preserving. 889 00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:48,830 And something like a commercial business could be one of those uses. It could. 890 00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:49,590 Yeah, Mm-hmm. 891 00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:54,110 Yeah, a good example I always use. 892 00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:55,110 Anecdote. 893 00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:57,270 There's there's a historic. 894 00:46:57,990 --> 00:47:00,310 Dairy farm on spread the end of Spring Lane. 895 00:47:01,550 --> 00:47:04,270 The old Victorian house that's on that property. 896 00:47:05,290 --> 00:47:09,210 We've had conversations with previous owners as to the opportunity of. 897 00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:11,030 Assisting and preserving. 898 00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:12,150 That home for them. 899 00:47:12,910 --> 00:47:14,080 Could possibly be. 900 00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:16,230 A small ice cream shop, that would be. 901 00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:18,630 Compatible with the dairy use. 902 00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:20,270 But it's still a retail. 903 00:47:21,590 --> 00:47:23,110 That ties. 904 00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:27,270 The historic preservation aspect with what the Houthi use is being used as now. 905 00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:30,080 Thank you. 906 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,200 And I presume also that. 907 00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:34,630 Added or commercial use doesn't. 908 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,480 Waive other requirements for that particular. 909 00:47:39,110 --> 00:47:40,470 Commercial use like. 910 00:47:40,830 --> 00:47:42,630 Health department inspections and. 911 00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:46,270 Working at all against none of that gets waves if that would still. 912 00:47:46,510 --> 00:47:48,230 The burden upon. 913 00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:52,430 Choosing that use in an otherwise residential neighborhood, right? Right. 914 00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:55,390 Hypothetically, if they did approve a retail. 915 00:47:55,470 --> 00:47:57,670 Use there it would. 916 00:47:57,910 --> 00:48:02,350 The the floor plans would still need to comply with building code and then whatever other. 917 00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:05,990 Other elements of licensure that would need to be. 918 00:48:06,070 --> 00:48:06,910 You obtained right? 919 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,480 I'm going to go back to Mr. Hilton then. 920 00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:17,430 Anything else OK. 921 00:48:30,070 --> 00:48:30,990 A lot of good questions. 922 00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:38,590 So, as you may remember, when we. 923 00:48:38,830 --> 00:48:39,390 Put this. 924 00:48:39,870 --> 00:48:42,190 Designated Casper Cottage as a historic. 925 00:48:42,750 --> 00:48:43,230 Building. 926 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:44,670 There was both. 927 00:48:44,830 --> 00:48:49,150 The building itself, some unique things about its architecture, you know, kind of. 928 00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:50,920 The first. 929 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:55,310 Poured concrete foundation, you know. 930 00:48:57,230 --> 00:49:00,870 Kind of some uniqueness about its being this shotgun. 931 00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:03,110 Cottage with. 932 00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:06,030 With a cross wing that got added later. 933 00:49:06,350 --> 00:49:08,550 And the also the historic historic. 934 00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:12,750 Significance of the Casper family that we did a lot of research on. 935 00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:14,870 Was very interesting. 936 00:49:15,070 --> 00:49:16,030 Now basically. 937 00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:18,150 This is the oldest. 938 00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:19,950 Building that's left in the. 939 00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:22,410 Middle of holiday, right? I mean. 940 00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:25,110 That's on its original. 941 00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:26,470 Foundation, shall we say? 942 00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:28,590 Right. I mean, you've got the castle home that. 943 00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:30,550 Has been moved to City Hall Park. 944 00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:31,350 But. 945 00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:36,110 There back in 19, mid 1970s there was the Andrus home. 946 00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:39,080 Very similar vintage, similar design. 947 00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:42,750 It was built three years earlier and just like a block away. 948 00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:44,470 That was demolished. 949 00:49:44,590 --> 00:49:47,630 So this this is kind of the last one of its kind. 950 00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:50,910 And kind of unique in a lot of ways. So I really. 951 00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:53,400 You know, I'm a volunteer on the historic Commission. I'm not a. 952 00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:56,230 One of the Commissioners, but I am very involved in. 953 00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:58,190 And living in this house. 954 00:49:58,270 --> 00:49:58,870 Kind of been. 955 00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:00,270 A big part of what's. 956 00:50:00,550 --> 00:50:02,350 Gotten me kind of excited about. 957 00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:04,910 Historic Preservation. 958 00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:08,910 And learning more about, you know, the. 959 00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:11,310 The historic district around it. 960 00:50:11,590 --> 00:50:13,150 And you know, there's like 20. 961 00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:16,390 Other little cottages that I. 962 00:50:16,510 --> 00:50:21,070 Hope that if we can preserve this one, maybe that'll set a good precedent for preserving the rest of them. 963 00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:28,630 So anyway, as far as the additional, use the. 964 00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:31,910 I would. 965 00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:35,000 Had one little bit of information so. 966 00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:38,750 The staff said that. 967 00:50:38,830 --> 00:50:40,230 This would have to go back. 968 00:50:40,310 --> 00:50:41,830 To the Planning Commission. 969 00:50:42,070 --> 00:50:44,710 And an amendment to the. 970 00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:47,470 To the PUD would have to be made. 971 00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:49,230 Just a little history there. 972 00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:51,510 So we originally. 973 00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:53,790 Opposed a PUD with 7. 974 00:50:54,350 --> 00:50:56,390 Holmes and. 975 00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:00,480 And we had an argument as to why that was. 976 00:51:00,910 --> 00:51:02,150 Permissible. 977 00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:04,470 An attorney and present all that but anyway. 978 00:51:05,350 --> 00:51:08,230 The Planning Commission at that time felt that that was. 979 00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:10,910 You know they weren't. 980 00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:13,390 Sure that that was a decision they could make. 981 00:51:14,170 --> 00:51:15,770 And so on the advice of. 982 00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:17,790 Council of the. 983 00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:18,230 Uh. 984 00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:20,870 Attorney, uh. 985 00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:24,390 They they said we are going to prove. 986 00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:25,470 The Six. 987 00:51:26,140 --> 00:51:27,160 Home Plan. 988 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,280 But encourage you to appeal this. 989 00:51:30,350 --> 00:51:31,790 To the City Council. 990 00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:34,350 And let them decide on whether there could be Seminole. 991 00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:38,670 Unfortunately. 992 00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:41,630 Not unlike the current situation. 993 00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:45,350 Got a little bit sidetracked with some alternative possibilities. 994 00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:47,230 You know, like a park and so on. 995 00:51:47,710 --> 00:51:49,030 And we ended up. 996 00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:51,430 Missing the deadline for that appeal, so. 997 00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:52,470 That never came. 998 00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:54,030 Before the City Council. 999 00:51:56,430 --> 00:51:58,630 So I just mentioned that because I think. 1000 00:51:58,830 --> 00:52:01,590 I mean, if the Planning Commission at that time thought that this would. 1001 00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:02,990 Decision that could be. 1002 00:52:03,070 --> 00:52:04,510 Made by the City Council. 1003 00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:06,790 I assume that that's still true even though. 1004 00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:11,830 The underlying facts are different. The ask is exactly the same. 1005 00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:14,350 So what? 1006 00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:17,270 But we would ask specifically what we're proposing. 1007 00:52:18,370 --> 00:52:21,800 I mean, if it's necessary to amend the. 1008 00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:24,550 PUD. I guess that could be done. 1009 00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:26,190 I don't really believe it is. 1010 00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:29,230 We've made similar changes to Holton Park North. 1011 00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:31,310 We did a long line adjustment. 1012 00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:34,790 I'll be removed a fire hydrant that was in the plan. 1013 00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:37,710 We also. 1014 00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:42,200 The Rocky Mountain Power. 1015 00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:43,390 An easement for. 1016 00:52:43,630 --> 00:52:44,950 Public utility. 1017 00:52:45,390 --> 00:52:46,830 And all that was done with. 1018 00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:47,550 Just, uh. 1019 00:52:48,070 --> 00:52:50,950 Recording us a standalone document that said. 1020 00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:55,000 You know, with maybe a little picture of part of it saying here's this lines moving. 1021 00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:56,110 Here's this easement. 1022 00:52:56,350 --> 00:52:58,880 And that's very similar what we're talking about here, right? 1023 00:52:59,030 --> 00:53:01,990 We're going to just one document that says we're striking this. 1024 00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:04,510 Restriction on Lot 2A. 1025 00:53:05,110 --> 00:53:06,030 We're putting in this. 1026 00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:08,790 So I didn't mention the easement so. 1027 00:53:08,910 --> 00:53:11,750 We're also proposing and this is not required. 1028 00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:16,310 Uh, but uh, what we would like to do? 1029 00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:17,950 Is record. 1030 00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:22,230 A historic preservation easement to protect. 1031 00:53:23,780 --> 00:53:24,880 Casper Cottage. 1032 00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:28,430 Because you know. 1033 00:53:28,590 --> 00:53:30,190 Possibly a future owner could. 1034 00:53:30,590 --> 00:53:32,110 Take advantage of whatever. 1035 00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:35,120 Conditional use got approved, you know, build another house. 1036 00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:36,150 And then? 1037 00:53:36,270 --> 00:53:39,320 Say, oh, well, you know, I'm going to tear it down. There's nothing stopping me. 1038 00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:41,630 So just. 1039 00:53:42,350 --> 00:53:44,270 I I would feel more comfortable and. 1040 00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:46,550 More confident if we could, actually. 1041 00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:49,310 Record a preservation easement. 1042 00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:51,030 To protect it so. 1043 00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:52,190 That's kind of. 1044 00:53:52,990 --> 00:53:58,030 A key part of what I'm saying. So basically just. 1045 00:53:58,150 --> 00:54:00,110 Record a single document with the. 1046 00:54:00,470 --> 00:54:01,590 With the county that says. 1047 00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:04,190 This restriction is being. 1048 00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:06,990 And this easement is being added. 1049 00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:11,390 And kind of a quid pro quo, I guess you could say, you know, to make sure it's. 1050 00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:12,870 Preserved and protected. 1051 00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:14,230 But also allow. 1052 00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:16,430 From an economic standpoint and make it doable. 1053 00:54:16,830 --> 00:54:18,070 Which you know and and. 1054 00:54:18,350 --> 00:54:19,270 And allow you know. 1055 00:54:19,830 --> 00:54:22,750 You know the the development that takes place there to be. 1056 00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:26,550 Compatible in character with the surrounding historic area. 1057 00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:27,750 So anyway. 1058 00:54:27,830 --> 00:54:28,470 That's uh. 1059 00:54:29,650 --> 00:54:30,840 I just wanted to point that out. 1060 00:54:31,150 --> 00:54:32,150 OK. All right. 1061 00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:32,870 Thank you. 1062 00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:34,230 Any other questions? 1063 00:54:37,830 --> 00:54:39,710 I don't. I don't think I do. If anyone else knows, I. 1064 00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:42,510 That maybe have some conversation with Todd. 1065 00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:49,630 I'm just interested in what your thought process was on why you didn't withdraw. 1066 00:54:51,850 --> 00:54:52,960 Well, because, uh. 1067 00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:54,370 I. 1068 00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:59,030 I didn't, you know, like I said. 1069 00:55:00,390 --> 00:55:02,230 I could see the opposition to the. 1070 00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:04,590 To the shop. 1071 00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:05,950 And so I. 1072 00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:06,950 You know I. 1073 00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:10,430 Was willing to possibly withdraw that, but it sounded like it was all or nothing. 1074 00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:13,110 And so that's why I chose not to withdraw. 1075 00:55:13,470 --> 00:55:14,470 Also because. 1076 00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:15,710 We're kind of under a. 1077 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,600 Um, some time constraints here. 1078 00:55:19,710 --> 00:55:21,110 You know this project is. 1079 00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:23,510 Kind of been delayed for a long time already. 1080 00:55:23,710 --> 00:55:26,310 And our builder is anxious to move forward. 1081 00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:30,870 You know the properties under contract for the builder to buy and. 1082 00:55:31,470 --> 00:55:32,830 You know, if we can't resolve this. 1083 00:55:33,070 --> 00:55:34,750 Like I said, most likely outcome. 1084 00:55:35,110 --> 00:55:37,430 Which I don't want to see, but he'll probably just tear down the. 1085 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,600 The cottage and build a much bigger house. 1086 00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:42,590 So we're trying to. 1087 00:55:43,110 --> 00:55:45,910 Prevent that if we possibly can. We don't have a lot of time to do that. 1088 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,480 OK. Anyone else? 1089 00:55:52,550 --> 00:55:53,310 Thank you, Mr. Jones. 1090 00:55:55,950 --> 00:55:56,510 OK. 1091 00:55:57,350 --> 00:55:59,640 Maybe just before we do anything else. 1092 00:56:00,990 --> 00:56:02,390 We can review again. 1093 00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:04,200 The nature of the decision. 1094 00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:07,120 And correct me if I'm wrong. 1095 00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:10,110 But our review isn't. 1096 00:56:10,510 --> 00:56:14,790 Necessarily to take a second bite at the apple rather, but to review. 1097 00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:16,870 The apple as it was bitten. 1098 00:56:18,310 --> 00:56:19,750 As it were, and. 1099 00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:22,520 And whether or not the Planning Commission. 1100 00:56:22,990 --> 00:56:24,590 If their decision was. 1101 00:56:24,790 --> 00:56:26,150 Appropriate or a fit? 1102 00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:27,630 Denied. 1103 00:56:27,870 --> 00:56:29,510 The applicant is entitled. 1104 00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:31,150 Rights. Umm. 1105 00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:34,770 Anything else? 1106 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:36,720 That's pretty much it. 1107 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,360 There's the question was raised about. 1108 00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:44,760 The additional unit, the PUD plan that overlays the property. 1109 00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:48,200 And whether or not the Planning Commission would. 1110 00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:49,910 Have the authority to do that. 1111 00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:53,430 A PUD overlay is a legislative approval. 1112 00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:59,850 It's not a subdivision approval, it's a separate overlay approval that acts more like a zoning ordinance than it does. 1113 00:57:00,150 --> 00:57:01,870 A particular land use approval. 1114 00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:05,840 So that would necessarily have to come back to the Council. 1115 00:57:06,270 --> 00:57:08,230 For its determination at the end of the day. 1116 00:57:08,350 --> 00:57:10,790 Right, that's the way your ordinances read now. 1117 00:57:11,070 --> 00:57:11,870 And, umm. 1118 00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:14,360 The conversation about. 1119 00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:16,550 Adding the additional. 1120 00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:19,920 Unit through this. 1121 00:57:20,350 --> 00:57:21,990 Conditional use process. 1122 00:57:24,740 --> 00:57:31,060 I I think that's problematic in a number of ways, the way the ordinance reads, the historic preservation ordinance reads. 1123 00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:34,110 I think it has some legal restriction on it. 1124 00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:38,190 That would prevent that from being used to override the zoning overlay. 1125 00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:39,750 That exists on the property. 1126 00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:42,750 And right now, the zoning overlay wouldn't allow that additional lot. 1127 00:57:43,310 --> 00:57:48,910 So any more than building a 16 unit apartment building? Yeah. 1128 00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:49,670 Behind. 1129 00:57:50,430 --> 00:57:53,430 Correct. Antique store, museum sort of thing. It doesn't. 1130 00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:54,310 Create a. 1131 00:57:54,830 --> 00:57:56,510 Wild West situation. 1132 00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:57,950 Correct and so. 1133 00:57:58,030 --> 00:57:59,150 That language. 1134 00:57:59,270 --> 00:58:02,230 In the historic overlay that allows additional uses. 1135 00:58:02,670 --> 00:58:05,310 Of necessity has to be something that is. 1136 00:58:05,790 --> 00:58:09,960 Permitted within that PUD plan and would be compliant with the bead and plan in general. 1137 00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:12,990 That's. 1138 00:58:13,070 --> 00:58:15,430 The way I look at the ordinance structure. 1139 00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:19,840 I don't think the Planning Commission got to that point in their deliberations. It looked to me like they were. 1140 00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:22,000 Short circuited in their mind. 1141 00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:25,030 By the information that they did not have in front of them. 1142 00:58:26,090 --> 00:58:28,320 Right, OK. 1143 00:58:31,610 --> 00:58:33,600 Any comments? 1144 00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:33,830 Uh. 1145 00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:38,670 Requests for. 1146 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,840 The siding tabling. 1147 00:58:42,270 --> 00:58:44,430 A motion discussive. 1148 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:55,160 Look apart. No, go ahead. Well, it looks to me like the the question in front of this is. 1149 00:58:56,390 --> 00:59:01,520 Whether or not this incomplete application was a sufficient legal standard for. 1150 00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:05,470 The Planning Commission to deny the application? It sounds like it is. 1151 00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:09,150 And based on the staff. 1152 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:11,070 Court and and even some of what? 1153 00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:12,630 Mr. Hilton has said that. 1154 00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:15,150 That they were missing key items. 1155 00:59:17,310 --> 00:59:22,050 So, so at least how it's looking to me now, like I said, I'm, I'm fine having a discussion about it. It's looking to me like the 1156 00:59:22,050 --> 00:59:26,790 Planning Commission did operate within the scope of their jurisdiction. 1157 00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:28,310 To deny the applications. 1158 00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:35,310 Yeah, yeah. I just, I think I applaud. 1159 00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:36,920 Hilton's passion for. 1160 00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:38,270 Preservation and. 1161 00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:40,630 I just, yeah, I just. 1162 00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:42,950 Um, I guess I'm. 1163 00:59:43,590 --> 00:59:45,030 They don't understand like what you know? 1164 00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:46,590 Yeah, I guess there's an off ramp. 1165 00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:47,550 Provided to. 1166 00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:51,230 Amend the application or provide more details and. 1167 00:59:51,350 --> 00:59:52,310 I just don't know. 1168 00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:55,920 I guess to understand why that wasn't taken at the time. 1169 00:59:56,110 --> 00:59:56,710 And uh. 1170 00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:57,790 Given the. 1171 00:59:57,870 --> 01:00:00,950 Scope of what we're asked to consider tonight. 1172 01:00:02,830 --> 01:00:06,070 That, you know, we're not and we can't consider. 1173 01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:09,110 Nick is more information or more other issues. 1174 01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:11,270 So that I. 1175 01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:13,440 Sure. Share what? Umm. 1176 01:00:14,030 --> 01:00:16,230 What's Yeah, I guess what's been said already. 1177 01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:20,830 I. 1178 01:00:21,870 --> 01:00:22,990 There's no more. 1179 01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:24,870 So yeah, I. 1180 01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:31,070 I have a difficulty. It seemed like this. 1181 01:00:31,790 --> 01:00:32,910 Appeal was. 1182 01:00:33,630 --> 01:00:35,110 A Hail Mary to. 1183 01:00:35,310 --> 01:00:38,350 A shortcut the process in terms of. 1184 01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:42,900 He needed to happen to ask for a waiver, but that wasn't part of. 1185 01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:47,320 That's not part of the appeal process. Our primary role is to. 1186 01:00:47,590 --> 01:00:48,670 Evaluate. 1187 01:00:49,070 --> 01:00:52,630 The work of the Planning Commission with the actual plan being. 1188 01:00:53,390 --> 01:00:56,790 Context for whether or not the Planning Commission did his job. 1189 01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:58,590 Not to. 1190 01:00:59,230 --> 01:01:01,750 Sit in place of the Planning Commission. 1191 01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:06,860 And with the same information and the same standard, but rather to review their work. 1192 01:01:07,580 --> 01:01:09,380 And they felt. 1193 01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:11,420 And I believe legitimately so that. 1194 01:01:11,540 --> 01:01:13,660 They needed more information. 1195 01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:15,940 Requested more information that. 1196 01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:17,140 Information wasn't. 1197 01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:21,460 Onerous in the context of what's being asked for. 1198 01:01:22,180 --> 01:01:25,700 And opportunity was given to correct. 1199 01:01:26,140 --> 01:01:29,980 And the applicant didn't take that opportunity, but rather rolled the dice. 1200 01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:32,900 Uh, hoping perhaps for. 1201 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,040 Sympathetic. 1202 01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:38,220 On the the project as a whole. 1203 01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:40,380 But that's not our role. 1204 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:41,300 In my view. 1205 01:01:41,540 --> 01:01:42,980 It's essentially Stew. 1206 01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:46,390 Not take the place of the Planning Commission, but. 1207 01:01:46,460 --> 01:01:48,900 To support what they do not. 1208 01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:52,100 Always to bless what they do, but to make sure that they haven't. 1209 01:01:52,340 --> 01:01:54,500 Gone off the rails with regard to their. 1210 01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:57,740 Their role. That doesn't seem to be the case, I know that. 1211 01:01:58,140 --> 01:01:58,780 On umm. 1212 01:01:59,460 --> 01:02:00,820 Legislative matters. 1213 01:02:01,220 --> 01:02:04,620 We've been known to disagree with the Planning Commission and take another position. 1214 01:02:05,260 --> 01:02:09,820 Of course, this isn't one of those situations. This is a. 1215 01:02:10,420 --> 01:02:11,540 Quasi judicial. 1216 01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:12,740 Scenario. 1217 01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:19,220 Not a legislative matter that was recommended by them, and that's our decision to accept that or change it. 1218 01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:20,940 But rather to say. 1219 01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:23,420 Did you do your job or did you? 1220 01:02:23,780 --> 01:02:25,780 Not and given it. 1221 01:02:25,940 --> 01:02:26,620 They didn't. 1222 01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:27,700 Rule on the merit. 1223 01:02:28,580 --> 01:02:32,540 I think as I reviewed the minutes and also the recorded. 1224 01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:36,740 Meeting, I didn't get the sense that they were. 1225 01:02:36,820 --> 01:02:39,220 Seeking to avoid ruling on the merits. 1226 01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:41,300 They would like to rule on the merits. 1227 01:02:41,620 --> 01:02:44,060 I think they had some questions and concerns. 1228 01:02:44,140 --> 01:02:46,300 Some worries it wasn't going to be a slam dunk. 1229 01:02:46,540 --> 01:02:49,180 But they did want to have that information in my view. 1230 01:02:49,860 --> 01:02:50,820 And without it. 1231 01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:57,660 You know, a slam dunk that they're all going to deny because they all wanted it in. 1232 01:02:57,740 --> 01:02:58,780 Information in order to. 1233 01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:00,900 To give Mr. Hilton a fair. 1234 01:03:00,980 --> 01:03:03,460 Shocked, but without that information, they couldn't do so. 1235 01:03:04,170 --> 01:03:05,290 Oh so. 1236 01:03:08,580 --> 01:03:10,380 I I think this is a heavy lift to. 1237 01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:13,190 Not only ruled that they did have enough information. 1238 01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:16,180 But enough information to then also approve. 1239 01:03:16,220 --> 01:03:17,910 And I don't think it that standards been met. 1240 01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:23,310 Yeah, I, I. 1241 01:03:23,740 --> 01:03:25,020 I echo what's been said I. 1242 01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:30,180 I'm very sympathetic to what Mr. Hilton's trying to accomplish with a Casper cottage. I wish we had. 1243 01:03:30,540 --> 01:03:32,700 Or in the record to work with, but I think. 1244 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,430 If the question in front of us is whether there was. 1245 01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:39,620 A sufficient record for the. 1246 01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:40,940 Planning Commission 2. 1247 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,590 Approve. And the Planning Commission decided there wasn't. I don't. 1248 01:03:44,980 --> 01:03:47,420 I don't think there's been enough presented to overrule that. 1249 01:03:51,730 --> 01:03:52,670 Happy to take a motion. 1250 01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:54,380 Or of any kind. 1251 01:03:56,980 --> 01:03:59,260 Is the chair able to make the motion or is that usually not? 1252 01:03:59,940 --> 01:04:00,740 We do. 1253 01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:05,310 I actually don't know the answer to that. Your rules of order. 1254 01:04:06,780 --> 01:04:11,140 I've seen that. I've saw the Planning Commission where Dennis the chair did that. And so I wondered. 1255 01:04:11,260 --> 01:04:12,630 We don't normally do that, but. 1256 01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:14,780 We'll know next time I'll ask the question. 1257 01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:17,500 Not that I'm anxious to be the one making emotions. 1258 01:04:18,180 --> 01:04:19,620 Mayor, I would move the. 1259 01:04:19,740 --> 01:04:22,780 We vote to deny the appeal of the. 1260 01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:25,620 Planning Commission decision, Casper Cottage. 1261 01:04:26,060 --> 01:04:27,380 Conditional use permit pz. 1262 01:04:28,020 --> 01:04:29,380 26 One. 1263 01:04:29,540 --> 01:04:30,420 05. 1264 01:04:33,010 --> 01:04:34,430 OK, we have a motion a second. 1265 01:04:34,660 --> 01:04:35,740 Any discussion of the motion? 1266 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,880 To be clear, this is a motion to deny. 1267 01:04:39,100 --> 01:04:40,140 To deny the appeal. 1268 01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:43,110 And affirm the decision of the Planning Commission. 1269 01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:45,420 OK. All right. 1270 01:04:45,820 --> 01:04:48,300 We have a motion in a second council member Grant. 1271 01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:50,500 Yes, Councilmember Berkman. 1272 01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:52,660 Yes, Councilmember Bradley. Yes. 1273 01:04:52,740 --> 01:04:54,820 Councilmember Durham? Yes. Councilmember Sunwell. 1274 01:04:55,180 --> 01:04:56,860 Yes. And Gerald Wilts, Yes. 1275 01:04:58,010 --> 01:05:00,030 OK. All right. 1276 01:05:00,220 --> 01:05:00,990 Moving on. 1277 01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:02,980 To item number 5. 1278 01:05:03,340 --> 01:05:04,300 Public hearing. 1279 01:05:04,780 --> 01:05:05,940 On proposed. 1280 01:05:06,940 --> 01:05:12,980 Of 4901 S Memory Lane from residential R121. 1281 01:05:13,220 --> 01:05:15,540 To P Do we have a staff uh. 1282 01:05:16,890 --> 01:05:17,830 Intro on this one. 1283 01:05:26,310 --> 01:05:27,230 We'll be patient. 1284 01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:58,510 Thank you, Mayor staff. 1285 01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:01,740 Jonathan Chairlink, Community Economic Development Director. 1286 01:06:01,860 --> 01:06:06,340 Staff presents the recommendation from the Planning Commission for a rezone request. 1287 01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:09,900 Brought to them on their June 16th meeting. 1288 01:06:10,580 --> 01:06:12,980 The request is from. 1289 01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:13,980 The budding. 1290 01:06:14,180 --> 01:06:15,420 Property owners of. 1291 01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:17,700 The Holiday Memorial Cemetery. 1292 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,350 Who has purchased property on? 1293 01:06:20,460 --> 01:06:21,460 A memory lane. 1294 01:06:21,820 --> 01:06:26,860 In attempt to expand their cemetery operations, the zone. 1295 01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:28,660 Of the property that they have acquired. 1296 01:06:29,020 --> 01:06:32,100 Is within the R121 zone, which is strictly. 1297 01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:34,180 Detached residential homes. 1298 01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:35,750 As the primary use. 1299 01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:41,070 The rezone request is to expand the P zone or the public zone. 1300 01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:44,580 To accommodate the expansion of the the cemetery operations. 1301 01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:48,780 Planning Commission reviewed the merits the application upon a public hearing. 1302 01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:52,820 And specifically found that the request to. 1303 01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:54,460 Appropriate. 1304 01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:59,140 For not only complying with the general plan, as public zones are. 1305 01:06:59,260 --> 01:07:04,180 Within neighborhoods they accommodate schools and other types of public quasi public facilities. 1306 01:07:04,940 --> 01:07:05,980 But also and. 1307 01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:08,540 Held a conversation with the property owner. 1308 01:07:09,580 --> 01:07:11,780 As to the intent of their. 1309 01:07:12,180 --> 01:07:14,580 Expanded operations at this site. 1310 01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:21,660 And felt that it was appropriate to forward a recommendation to approve the result from R121 to P. 1311 01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:23,740 At this address. 1312 01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:32,710 My favorite thing about this application was that nobody came to the neighborhood meeting that. I feel like that's never happened. 1313 01:07:34,580 --> 01:07:35,700 Which but I think that. 1314 01:07:35,860 --> 01:07:36,780 Represents uh. 1315 01:07:36,860 --> 01:07:38,700 The neighborhood is fine with it. 1316 01:07:38,860 --> 01:07:41,340 So has there been any indication otherwise? 1317 01:07:41,540 --> 01:07:42,900 In public hearings or otherwise. 1318 01:07:43,340 --> 01:07:43,860 OK. 1319 01:07:46,650 --> 01:07:47,930 Any other questions for John? 1320 01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,630 OK, in that case. 1321 01:07:52,740 --> 01:07:54,980 We will open the public hearing. 1322 01:07:55,540 --> 01:08:01,060 On the proposed rezone of 4901 S memory lane from residential R121 to the P zone. 1323 01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:02,780 Are there any? 1324 01:08:02,860 --> 01:08:05,060 In the Chamber who wish to address the Council. 1325 01:08:05,740 --> 01:08:06,380 On this map. 1326 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,440 Don't all jump at once. 1327 01:08:12,490 --> 01:08:15,030 Seeing none, we will close the public hearing. 1328 01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:16,500 And proceed. 1329 01:08:16,620 --> 01:08:18,140 To item number six. 1330 01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:22,620 Public hearing on proposed text amendment to amend the permitted land use table. 1331 01:08:22,740 --> 01:08:24,460 Of the Site Development Master plan. 1332 01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:27,820 Of the Holiday Hills to allow professional services. 1333 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,110 And who's got that one? 1334 01:08:32,060 --> 01:08:32,660 Also John. 1335 01:08:51,350 --> 01:08:53,430 It's like that show you watch for the. 1336 01:08:53,540 --> 01:08:57,540 They're all spinning plates in there, making sure things they don't fall down. 1337 01:08:59,820 --> 01:09:00,900 Also on the. 1338 01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:06,060 June 16th the Planning Commission heard a request for a text amendment within the site Development Master plan. This site 1339 01:09:06,060 --> 01:09:11,100 Development master plan controls all development within the holiday or the. 1340 01:09:11,980 --> 01:09:14,060 The Royal Holiday Hills redevelopment site. 1341 01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:16,740 Specifically under the. 1342 01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:20,220 RMU zone, which is your regional mixed-use development zone. 1343 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:22,750 The application. 1344 01:09:22,860 --> 01:09:27,340 Was to add an additional land use which was omitted. 1345 01:09:27,780 --> 01:09:32,860 For reasons that the applicant can go into a little more detail. 1346 01:09:33,460 --> 01:09:37,420 And it was discovered upon an application of a new business. 1347 01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:38,780 Within the new. 1348 01:09:39,380 --> 01:09:41,380 What would have been the old Macy's building? 1349 01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:44,460 For our personal service nail salon. 1350 01:09:45,620 --> 01:09:48,220 Personal services within your zoning ordinance. 1351 01:09:49,060 --> 01:09:52,300 Are very distinct from retail uses. 1352 01:09:52,700 --> 01:09:55,700 And they are allowed in your more intense. 1353 01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:57,180 Commercial areas. 1354 01:09:58,020 --> 01:09:59,780 Commercial zones. 1355 01:10:00,540 --> 01:10:01,660 Holiday Crossroads zone. 1356 01:10:01,740 --> 01:10:06,580 For example, and in this list of allowed. 1357 01:10:06,820 --> 01:10:08,940 Primary land uses within. 1358 01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:10,580 The Royal Holiday Hills. 1359 01:10:10,780 --> 01:10:12,750 Personal Services was not in that list. 1360 01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:16,750 So the the applicant request the Planning Commission to review. 1361 01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:19,830 An amendment which adds. 1362 01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:21,780 And you can barely see it. 1363 01:10:22,380 --> 01:10:23,380 It's under. 1364 01:10:23,980 --> 01:10:30,740 There's asterisks under the retail building designation, which is 12345 down from the commercial. 1365 01:10:30,860 --> 01:10:32,100 Does it category? 1366 01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,000 And those asterisks. 1367 01:10:34,740 --> 01:10:35,860 To a footnote. 1368 01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:39,940 Which basically says that a retail building can include. 1369 01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:41,100 Personal Services. 1370 01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:43,980 Within that retail. 1371 01:10:44,380 --> 01:10:45,300 The building itself. 1372 01:10:46,620 --> 01:10:48,020 Planning Commission reviewed. 1373 01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:57,420 The all of the uses that are allowed within personal services and in their intent on compatibility with the OR with the RMU zone. 1374 01:10:58,710 --> 01:11:00,590 Their primary concerns were. 1375 01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:03,940 Those uses that may not be. 1376 01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:05,940 Specifically for nail salon. 1377 01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:11,820 That may may be incompatible with retail spaces within the Royal Holiday Hills site. 1378 01:11:12,860 --> 01:11:14,260 However, the applicant. 1379 01:11:15,140 --> 01:11:17,780 Having control over what tenants could be in there. 1380 01:11:17,980 --> 01:11:19,780 Would be the the. 1381 01:11:19,980 --> 01:11:20,780 Primary. 1382 01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:23,420 Determined on what type of business. 1383 01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:25,380 Placed in those buildings. 1384 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:28,790 That was their primary concern. 1385 01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:33,340 And the City Council can have that conversation with the applicant as well. 1386 01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:34,420 However, uh. 1387 01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:37,860 They did make it. They did forward a recommendation to approve. 1388 01:11:37,980 --> 01:11:41,300 An amendment to the SDMP to include personal services. 1389 01:11:41,820 --> 01:11:43,260 Within the. 1390 01:11:43,380 --> 01:11:44,740 Royal Holy Hill site. 1391 01:11:44,820 --> 01:11:46,060 As a primary land use. 1392 01:11:47,310 --> 01:11:48,470 Is there a difference between? 1393 01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:51,860 Personal services and professional services as its. 1394 01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:54,260 There are OK, so. 1395 01:11:54,340 --> 01:11:56,660 Person professionals with services would be. 1396 01:11:59,010 --> 01:12:03,500 Architectural offices, Law Offices, Personal services is where you have a specific license to interact and in touch with an 1397 01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:07,990 individual. 1398 01:12:08,140 --> 01:12:11,380 OK, in the agenda says to allow professional services. 1399 01:12:11,540 --> 01:12:14,500 This land use table is saying personal services. 1400 01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:16,180 So what are we deciding on the day? 1401 01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:17,500 Personal Services. 1402 01:12:17,580 --> 01:12:18,820 Personal. So the agenda. 1403 01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:21,180 Is incorrect Incorrect. 1404 01:12:21,460 --> 01:12:24,140 OK. And so then? 1405 01:12:24,740 --> 01:12:24,820 Um. 1406 01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:30,060 So this is the. Is this presumed that? 1407 01:12:30,340 --> 01:12:33,420 The city would normally be more. 1408 01:12:34,460 --> 01:12:36,460 Flexible on this then the uh. 1409 01:12:37,540 --> 01:12:38,500 The applicant. 1410 01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:39,820 And so. 1411 01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:42,380 We would be relying. 1412 01:12:42,660 --> 01:12:44,860 And that. 1413 01:12:46,530 --> 01:12:47,990 That we would allow more than. 1414 01:12:48,340 --> 01:12:50,060 If it were our decision then. 1415 01:12:50,140 --> 01:12:51,340 Than the applicant would. 1416 01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:52,460 And so. 1417 01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:54,180 It's like, you know? 1418 01:12:54,300 --> 01:12:58,180 We're the big circle and he's a small circle, and that's as long as his small circles inside our big. 1419 01:12:58,660 --> 01:12:59,420 It's OK. 1420 01:12:59,780 --> 01:13:01,580 Or do we want to? 1421 01:13:02,300 --> 01:13:03,420 Expound on. 1422 01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:06,060 What really what our role is and what. 1423 01:13:06,620 --> 01:13:07,420 Because we have to. 1424 01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:09,900 Consider the full scope of personal services. 1425 01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:12,420 Regardless of the subset. 1426 01:13:12,580 --> 01:13:16,940 That's good mate, because it's the full scope within this site. It's not. 1427 01:13:17,020 --> 01:13:21,320 For other areas throughout the city, right, Yeah, we're just talking personal services are allowed in some of your commercial 1428 01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:25,620 areas and that's a wide range of of services, yeah. 1429 01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:28,860 That conversation was had with the applicant. 1430 01:13:28,980 --> 01:13:31,620 And the applicant may give an gave an answer of. Well we. 1431 01:13:31,780 --> 01:13:32,980 We can decide who we. 1432 01:13:33,060 --> 01:13:34,900 We would like to have in that site. 1433 01:13:35,340 --> 01:13:37,660 As tenants and who we can omit. 1434 01:13:38,380 --> 01:13:42,180 As a city, I couldn't do that if an application were to come to me. 1435 01:13:42,580 --> 01:13:43,340 For a use that. 1436 01:13:43,420 --> 01:13:47,180 It would not be something that the property owner would like to have in that spot. 1437 01:13:48,340 --> 01:13:49,500 I could not deny it. 1438 01:13:53,580 --> 01:13:53,820 OK. 1439 01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:08,390 OK. Or are you are we? 1440 01:14:08,540 --> 01:14:14,060 Todd, just to address the discrepancy between the public hearing notice that went out in the agenda. 1441 01:14:14,220 --> 01:14:17,150 My recommendation tonight would be that you leave the public hearing open. 1442 01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:18,630 Until next week. 1443 01:14:19,220 --> 01:14:22,420 And allow people to see a corrected agenda with the. 1444 01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:23,910 Correct notation. 1445 01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:25,420 Of the proposed change. 1446 01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:29,980 And then if anybody is desiring to speak on that based on the agenda, they can. 1447 01:14:30,380 --> 01:14:32,220 Obviously your public hearing notices that went. 1448 01:14:32,340 --> 01:14:33,740 Were correct, so. 1449 01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:36,980 We're just addressing that little inconsistency. 1450 01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:38,260 Gotcha. Public hearing open. 1451 01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:43,750 All right. 1452 01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:45,500 Hearing from the applicant on this one. 1453 01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:49,200 Yeah, during public comment. 1454 01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:50,780 Regarding SO. 1455 01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:59,940 Good evening Steve Peterson of 6147 S Vernesco Holiday, Utah. 1456 01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:05,860 Holiday city ordinances. 1457 01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:07,700 Zoning ordinances. 1458 01:15:07,860 --> 01:15:08,940 Section 13. 1459 01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:12,260 Dial 040. 1460 01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:14,740 It defines personal services. 1461 01:15:15,620 --> 01:15:17,100 And it excludes umm. 1462 01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:23,790 Uh, body art, tattooing or sexual oriented businesses so it excludes. 1463 01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:25,980 Just go to certain amounts, but it allows. 1464 01:15:26,540 --> 01:15:28,820 Things such as nail salons, hair salons. 1465 01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:29,700 Day Spa. 1466 01:15:30,380 --> 01:15:31,580 And massage therapy. 1467 01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:36,260 Historically, the SDMP. 1468 01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:37,420 Was uh. 1469 01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,380 Entered into in 2007. 1470 01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:43,060 As my understanding the holiday. 1471 01:15:43,420 --> 01:15:44,460 Did a. 1472 01:15:44,740 --> 01:15:45,820 On the rewrite on the. 1473 01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:47,780 Zoning code in 2012. 1474 01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:50,310 In 2007. 1475 01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:54,140 It's my understanding that they have commercial retail office. 1476 01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:55,950 Residential. 1477 01:15:56,580 --> 01:15:57,380 But in. 1478 01:15:57,460 --> 01:15:59,460 Retail. It didn't specify. 1479 01:15:59,820 --> 01:16:00,980 Specifically. 1480 01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:01,860 Subsets. 1481 01:16:02,620 --> 01:16:04,380 So what we wanted? 1482 01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:06,580 What we're asking for is just clarification that. 1483 01:16:06,940 --> 01:16:09,420 You know, we're grandfathered in and the subset. 1484 01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:12,460 Of personal services included in. 1485 01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:14,220 The SDMP is part of our. 1486 01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:16,220 And time was pre. 1487 01:16:16,300 --> 01:16:18,380 The change of the code within the city. 1488 01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:23,020 Thank you. 1489 01:16:24,350 --> 01:16:25,350 Any questions for Steve? 1490 01:16:27,690 --> 01:16:28,610 The praise people. 1491 01:16:29,540 --> 01:16:31,020 Thank you. Thank you. 1492 01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:34,070 All right, so we'll go ahead and. 1493 01:16:34,220 --> 01:16:35,940 Open the public hearing. 1494 01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:43,350 On item number six, proposed text amendment to amend permitted land use table for the STMP. 1495 01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:44,540 To allow. 1496 01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:45,860 Personal Services. 1497 01:16:47,140 --> 01:16:48,660 Public hearing is now open. 1498 01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:49,860 Anyone in the? 1499 01:16:50,020 --> 01:16:51,420 Chamber wished to address. 1500 01:16:51,740 --> 01:16:52,860 The Council on this matter. 1501 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:08,350 A mayor council I was just checking the official public notice on Utah Gov And under agenda item. 1502 01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:09,980 Five, it does state. 1503 01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:13,580 Use table of the SDMP to allow professional services. 1504 01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:14,580 I would just. 1505 01:17:14,740 --> 01:17:17,540 Request clarification if that notice. 1506 01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:20,020 Is still intact or if it. 1507 01:17:20,380 --> 01:17:21,620 Just because it was on. 1508 01:17:22,650 --> 01:17:27,630 Uh, correct PDF on the city site or which public notices the one that's definitive? 1509 01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:28,340 Thank you. 1510 01:17:28,420 --> 01:17:29,020 Thank you. 1511 01:17:35,150 --> 01:17:37,510 Yeah, it looks like we've addressed that matter, which will. 1512 01:17:37,660 --> 01:17:39,140 Leave the public hearing open. 1513 01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:41,980 Presumably, umm. 1514 01:17:42,340 --> 01:17:43,460 In order to address that. 1515 01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:44,260 Discrepancy. 1516 01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:48,590 Anyone else whispered as the counsel on this matter? 1517 01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:52,790 Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing. 1518 01:17:53,180 --> 01:17:54,420 Leave it open, I'm sorry. 1519 01:17:54,620 --> 01:17:55,700 I just said beer though. 1520 01:17:57,700 --> 01:17:58,700 Creature of habit. 1521 01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:02,340 We will not close the public hearing. Thank you very much. 1522 01:18:02,780 --> 01:18:04,300 In order to remedy the. 1523 01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:06,300 The labeling problem. 1524 01:18:07,380 --> 01:18:08,990 OK. Moving on. Thank you. 1525 01:18:09,780 --> 01:18:15,980 Moving on to item number 7, consideration of resolution adopting policies relating to maintenance and repair of public sidewalks. 1526 01:18:16,820 --> 01:18:19,900 As I recall, this was part of a work session earlier, but were there any? 1527 01:18:20,780 --> 01:18:23,780 Uh, questions or review or? 1528 01:18:24,980 --> 01:18:27,260 You want to talk to us about this one before we? 1529 01:18:28,330 --> 01:18:34,810 Sure. I am happy to briefly review the reasons for this sidewalk management policy. 1530 01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:42,940 Our insurer has suggested to us that it would be a good idea to kind of outline priorities. 1531 01:18:43,620 --> 01:18:52,150 For sidewalk maintenance. And so that's what this policy is doing. We have more frequent inspections. 1532 01:18:52,260 --> 01:18:55,460 In high traffic areas like the village. 1533 01:18:55,660 --> 01:18:58,220 Areas around schools, transit stops. 1534 01:18:59,060 --> 01:19:00,460 And in parks. 1535 01:19:01,620 --> 01:19:09,740 And in residential neighborhoods, we have a timeline that is every two to three years of review. 1536 01:19:10,380 --> 01:19:12,220 We'll also be using a. 1537 01:19:12,780 --> 01:19:15,060 Priority system to determine. 1538 01:19:15,380 --> 01:19:18,790 What where action needs to be taken immediately? 1539 01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:21,820 And where we can. 1540 01:19:22,860 --> 01:19:25,620 Depending on resources, make improvements. 1541 01:19:26,580 --> 01:19:29,140 Depending on the severity of the issue. 1542 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,670 OK, questions, comments. 1543 01:19:37,050 --> 01:19:43,750 Mr. Mayor, Motion to approve Resolution 2026-21 adopting policies relating to the maintenance and repair of public sidewalks. 1544 01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:46,380 Second, OK, we have a motion a second. 1545 01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:47,740 Councillor Green. 1546 01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:49,060 Yes, Councilmember Quinn. 1547 01:19:49,580 --> 01:19:50,980 Councilmember Bradley, Yes. 1548 01:19:51,100 --> 01:19:53,260 Councilmember Durham? Yes. Councilmember Wall. 1549 01:19:53,380 --> 01:19:54,780 Yes. And chair boats, yes. 1550 01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:55,390 Thank you. 1551 01:19:57,180 --> 01:19:57,860 All right. 1552 01:19:59,140 --> 01:20:01,740 Moving on to item 8. 1553 01:20:03,140 --> 01:20:10,110 Resolution to proven amendment with Salt Lake County relating to funding for development of community centered health programming. 1554 01:20:10,740 --> 01:20:11,620 Who's got that one? 1555 01:20:18,620 --> 01:20:25,470 Hello Council, this is a good news resolution. We have received our third round of funding for our public health program. 1556 01:20:25,620 --> 01:20:30,220 And this is a credit much to our Happy Healthy Holiday Coalition as well as Mcbartley. 1557 01:20:30,340 --> 01:20:35,420 So what this provides is another year of funding. It's about 105,000 ish dollars. 1558 01:20:35,540 --> 01:20:37,100 And the total for the three years? 1559 01:20:37,580 --> 01:20:40,420 Come up just over $300,000. 1560 01:20:40,540 --> 01:20:41,620 So this. 1561 01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:47,100 Is just an addendum to the agreement we have with Salt Lake County. The county has been a fantastic partner. 1562 01:20:47,220 --> 01:20:52,580 On this program and continues to really help Holiday as we implement our first round of the CTC framework. 1563 01:20:52,980 --> 01:20:53,790 There any questions? 1564 01:20:53,980 --> 01:20:55,980 Is this related at all to the? 1565 01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:58,900 Healthy Utah redesignation or is that a different? 1566 01:20:59,340 --> 01:21:04,060 It's different. So that's at the state level and we're in the process of reapplying for that, OK. 1567 01:21:04,340 --> 01:21:09,340 Yeah. So this is a renewal though of something. This is the renewal country. 1568 01:21:09,820 --> 01:21:15,550 So this is the money we use to hire Mcbartley. So we created the part time public health coordinator position. 1569 01:21:15,780 --> 01:21:19,140 As well as kick off our official CTC process. 1570 01:21:20,830 --> 01:21:21,550 Great. OK. 1571 01:21:21,700 --> 01:21:21,980 Thanks. 1572 01:21:23,980 --> 01:21:25,420 Comments. Questions. 1573 01:21:25,540 --> 01:21:26,500 Or motions. 1574 01:21:28,340 --> 01:21:33,150 Your fathering him. I move adoption of Resolution 2026-22. 1575 01:21:33,660 --> 01:21:36,560 Approving an amendment to the agreement with Salt Lake County relating to funding for the development of community centered health 1576 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,460 programming. 1577 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:40,500 2nd. 1578 01:21:40,660 --> 01:21:41,980 There we have a motion, a second. 1579 01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:43,140 Councilmember Gray. 1580 01:21:43,420 --> 01:21:44,620 Yes, Councilmember Quinn. 1581 01:21:44,860 --> 01:21:46,140 Yes, Councilmember Bradley. 1582 01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:48,700 Yes, Councilmember Durham. Yes, Councilmember Sundwall. 1583 01:21:48,780 --> 01:21:50,180 Yes, in Chairwoods, yes. 1584 01:21:50,340 --> 01:21:51,220 Thank you. 1585 01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:55,950 Moving on to the consent agenda, minutes from. 1586 01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:57,980 May and June dates. 1587 01:21:58,580 --> 01:21:59,820 Any comments? 1588 01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:00,820 Corrections. 1589 01:22:01,580 --> 01:22:02,500 Concerns. 1590 01:22:04,210 --> 01:22:05,050 Or motions. 1591 01:22:05,260 --> 01:22:12,470 Mr. Mayor, I motion. We approve the minutes from May 7th, May 14th, May 21st, June 4th, and June 11th, 2026. 1592 01:22:12,740 --> 01:22:15,140 2nd I have a motion to second all in favor. 1593 01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:16,820 Aye, any opposed? 1594 01:22:17,650 --> 01:22:19,070 Thank you. Consenting has approved. 1595 01:22:19,660 --> 01:22:21,220 Moving on to the city manager report. 1596 01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:30,350 Well, welcome back. 1597 01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:33,750 It's been 5 weeks since your last meeting. 1598 01:22:33,900 --> 01:22:39,220 I know you all have been busy working in your districts on behalf of your constituents. 1599 01:22:39,460 --> 01:22:44,220 And we here at City Hall have been doing the same sorts of things. 1600 01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:51,470 We've had lots of arts programming, which I'm sure you'll hear about from Council Member Bradley in that interim period. 1601 01:22:51,580 --> 01:22:54,100 As well as a great 4th of July event. 1602 01:22:56,780 --> 01:23:03,760 One thing that I wanted to mention to the Council is that you approve funding for a community survey for this fiscal year in 1603 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:10,740 talking with our consultant at Y2 Analytics. 1604 01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:13,020 We're thinking that will. 1605 01:23:13,140 --> 01:23:18,990 To that this survey in the September, October time frame. 1606 01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:21,700 Hoping to catch a window of. 1607 01:23:22,940 --> 01:23:24,900 Interest from our residents. 1608 01:23:25,020 --> 01:23:27,940 After school starts and before the holidays. 1609 01:23:28,660 --> 01:23:31,140 So hopefully you'll. 1610 01:23:31,380 --> 01:23:34,980 See a survey to review at your August 20th. 1611 01:23:35,900 --> 01:23:36,940 Agenda. 1612 01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:39,470 Work session meeting. Sorry. 1613 01:23:40,380 --> 01:23:46,740 In conversations that I've had with the mayor, I know that he is interested in some specific. 1614 01:23:46,940 --> 01:23:50,340 Questions about fireworks, particularly our own. 1615 01:23:50,500 --> 01:23:53,660 Fireworks display or a drone show? 1616 01:23:54,700 --> 01:24:01,380 I am wondering if there are other questions or topics, large topics like that in addition to. 1617 01:24:02,060 --> 01:24:06,580 Are kind of standard questions about the future of the city and how it's developing. 1618 01:24:06,860 --> 01:24:08,500 Anyone is interested in? 1619 01:24:09,020 --> 01:24:13,660 I don't mean to put you on the spot right now, but if you have time in the next 10 days or so and you can think of those topics 1620 01:24:13,660 --> 01:24:18,300 that you might be interested in that we could work in. 1621 01:24:18,460 --> 01:24:19,820 Please let me know and. 1622 01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:21,430 Hopefully we'll have a draft for you to. 1623 01:24:21,660 --> 01:24:22,580 On the 20. 1624 01:24:22,820 --> 01:24:26,180 Access the typical survey we send out. 1625 01:24:26,860 --> 01:24:27,860 We do. 1626 01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:32,300 Those are available on our website. I can also send you more. 1627 01:24:32,420 --> 01:24:34,940 Detailed information if you'd like. 1628 01:24:41,260 --> 01:24:42,700 I do have a number of. 1629 01:24:42,780 --> 01:24:44,700 Updates about grants. 1630 01:24:44,820 --> 01:24:46,700 And I will start with the good news. 1631 01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:51,620 The Transportation Commission at the state level did approve funding for the. 1632 01:24:51,780 --> 01:24:54,700 First phase of the I215 trail. 1633 01:24:55,460 --> 01:24:57,780 Project in District 5. 1634 01:24:58,180 --> 01:25:04,340 If you'll remember, this one is funded entirely by state dollars and no match is required. 1635 01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:05,940 And we're not. 1636 01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:10,380 We won't be managing that directly. UDOT will be managing it. 1637 01:25:11,180 --> 01:25:12,900 So we anticipate. 1638 01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:17,820 We that will start soon, we'll have a lot of opportunity for input. 1639 01:25:18,460 --> 01:25:19,300 And. 1640 01:25:19,780 --> 01:25:22,980 We may need to think about some funding for. 1641 01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:28,260 To the trail as well. Things that we know are a priority for our residents. 1642 01:25:28,620 --> 01:25:30,780 But good news in that. 1643 01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:32,780 That project can. 1644 01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:34,580 Get underway soon. 1645 01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:41,920 Less great news on the BUILD Grant Fund. This is 1. You may remember it was a large source of federal funding for transportation 1646 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,760 projects. 1647 01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:52,140 And we were applying to help fill in our funding. 1648 01:25:52,900 --> 01:25:54,910 Delta for Highland Drive. 1649 01:25:55,020 --> 01:26:00,740 We did hear back in the last couple of weeks and we were unsuccessful in receiving that grant. 1650 01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:03,820 This is a really competitive grant. 1651 01:26:03,900 --> 01:26:07,860 Project program and we knew we were going to. 1652 01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:10,980 Likely have to apply a couple of times. 1653 01:26:11,460 --> 01:26:13,540 So I think our intention. 1654 01:26:13,980 --> 01:26:21,980 Unless we hear otherwise from the agency as they provide us with some feedback, is that we'll reapply hoping. 1655 01:26:22,140 --> 01:26:24,900 Again, to get a little bit more funding to close that. 1656 01:26:25,140 --> 01:26:25,780 That gap. 1657 01:26:27,700 --> 01:26:27,780 Um. 1658 01:26:30,900 --> 01:26:32,140 We have. 1659 01:26:32,580 --> 01:26:40,260 An opportunity to apply for a grant that is funded by the State Historical Preservation Office. 1660 01:26:42,460 --> 01:26:48,260 And this is a grant that the Historical Commission is proposing we apply for. 1661 01:26:48,420 --> 01:26:56,020 It would provide funding to conduct a reconnaissance level survey or an RL. 1662 01:26:56,620 --> 01:26:59,940 Tests of between 800 and. 1663 01:27:00,060 --> 01:27:01,740 1000 sites within. 1664 01:27:02,380 --> 01:27:04,620 A defined area within the city. 1665 01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:07,780 We would survey as many sites as possible. 1666 01:27:08,820 --> 01:27:09,580 And. 1667 01:27:11,140 --> 01:27:12,550 It does require. 1668 01:27:12,660 --> 01:27:15,220 A 50% match. So if we were. 1669 01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:18,900 Applying for $15,000 in grant funding. 1670 01:27:19,140 --> 01:27:22,940 We would need to match that at $15,000. 1671 01:27:23,140 --> 01:27:27,260 We would hire a qualified consultant to conduct that bar. 1672 01:27:29,260 --> 01:27:33,150 I think the Historical Commission feels like it would help. 1673 01:27:33,540 --> 01:27:38,820 Them fulfill its purpose of identifying holidays, historic and cultural resources. 1674 01:27:39,140 --> 01:27:43,780 And would also provide a foundation for targeted outreach and their education efforts. 1675 01:27:44,300 --> 01:27:45,060 Because it. 1676 01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:48,220 Is such a large match. 1677 01:27:49,100 --> 01:27:50,260 I am curious. 1678 01:27:50,380 --> 01:27:51,940 About the Council's. 1679 01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:55,710 About your feelings about. 1680 01:27:56,180 --> 01:28:01,700 Committing that level of funding, were we successful? I think, Holly, thanks. 1681 01:28:01,900 --> 01:28:04,060 We would likely be successful. 1682 01:28:07,380 --> 01:28:08,460 What? What would the? 1683 01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:12,660 Dollar amount B Do we know $15,000 Oh 15,000? 1684 01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:17,940 For those. 1685 01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:20,660 I think there are several of us that were at the. 1686 01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:22,660 Speaker series in May. 1687 01:28:22,980 --> 01:28:25,180 I think it's really important to. 1688 01:28:26,530 --> 01:28:29,450 To recognize the fact that holiday has a wealth. 1689 01:28:29,900 --> 01:28:32,980 Of homes and other buildings that were. 1690 01:28:33,340 --> 01:28:33,980 Built umm. 1691 01:28:34,460 --> 01:28:35,260 In the. 1692 01:28:36,020 --> 01:28:39,300 Basically from the end of World War 2 up through the 70s. 1693 01:28:39,860 --> 01:28:43,030 And we really don't know what we have. 1694 01:28:43,900 --> 01:28:47,510 And so this would be a real opportunity to not only. 1695 01:28:48,670 --> 01:28:52,790 Identify some of those great buildings and homes and but also. 1696 01:28:54,370 --> 01:28:56,030 Educate our residents. 1697 01:28:56,180 --> 01:28:58,900 Or residence and get them excited. 1698 01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:01,940 To look. 1699 01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:07,310 At the history of their homes, I had the opportunity to work with Jim Oliver, who was our speaker. 1700 01:29:07,860 --> 01:29:09,830 And try and track down the. 1701 01:29:10,020 --> 01:29:12,980 The history of my own home, which was built in 1958. 1702 01:29:13,340 --> 01:29:15,740 And it's been a real fun experience. 1703 01:29:16,340 --> 01:29:19,420 And the information that. 1704 01:29:19,980 --> 01:29:21,860 Just the research. 1705 01:29:22,260 --> 01:29:23,380 Process was. 1706 01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:23,940 Really. 1707 01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:26,710 And so if we could get. 1708 01:29:27,220 --> 01:29:28,060 Even just a. 1709 01:29:28,930 --> 01:29:29,670 Few of our. 1710 01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:34,620 Resident or our homeowners to go through the same process, I think it would be. 1711 01:29:34,980 --> 01:29:36,380 A real good thing for the city. 1712 01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:38,980 So just to confirm, is this is this? 1713 01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:40,060 Process. 1714 01:29:40,220 --> 01:29:42,500 Essentially what was talked about in that May. 1715 01:29:42,740 --> 01:29:44,900 Historical Commission where they showed that map where? 1716 01:29:45,380 --> 01:29:49,340 Murray had a gazillion of those pinpoints and we had like 3. 1717 01:29:49,540 --> 01:29:53,900 Right. And so this is what we're this program is, is essentially. 1718 01:29:54,020 --> 01:29:55,500 The survey would. 1719 01:29:55,700 --> 01:29:57,100 Put those dots on our. 1720 01:29:57,500 --> 01:29:59,020 Say these are. 1721 01:29:59,810 --> 01:30:01,690 Buildings, homes, whatever of. 1722 01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:06,100 Potential historical significance. And of course, these designations don't. 1723 01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:07,940 Change anyone's property, right? You know. 1724 01:30:08,860 --> 01:30:10,620 It's rather informational and. 1725 01:30:10,740 --> 01:30:11,340 And uh. 1726 01:30:12,140 --> 01:30:14,700 And I think it's. 1727 01:30:14,820 --> 01:30:15,700 Not just about. 1728 01:30:15,860 --> 01:30:19,300 The matching dollars that's being decided, but rather. 1729 01:30:19,620 --> 01:30:21,780 It creates a relationship with that. 1730 01:30:21,900 --> 01:30:24,580 Utah Historical Society, that helps us on that end of it. 1731 01:30:24,980 --> 01:30:27,140 And supports the mission of. 1732 01:30:27,660 --> 01:30:29,180 Our own Historical Commission. 1733 01:30:29,340 --> 01:30:30,020 Absolutely. Umm. 1734 01:30:31,060 --> 01:30:33,260 And yeah, I have no objection. 1735 01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:35,660 I think it's worth money. 1736 01:30:37,220 --> 01:30:37,740 All right. 1737 01:30:37,820 --> 01:30:43,860 With that level of support, then I think we'll go ahead and make the application and let you know what. 1738 01:30:43,940 --> 01:30:45,180 Happens uh uh. 1739 01:30:45,460 --> 01:30:47,500 Whether we receive an award or not. 1740 01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:53,660 Finally, this is the broken record part of my city report. 1741 01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:55,700 We do not. 1742 01:30:55,820 --> 01:31:03,780 No yet. FEMA has not yet made a decision on whether our project is eligible or not. 1743 01:31:03,980 --> 01:31:06,780 Holly is really doing an amazing job. 1744 01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:08,740 Sticking with. 1745 01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:11,220 The process. 1746 01:31:11,740 --> 01:31:13,180 We are. 1747 01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:18,420 I think she's had two meetings this week. We have another one scheduled on Monday. 1748 01:31:18,500 --> 01:31:20,700 And is completing an application. 1749 01:31:20,820 --> 01:31:23,140 For the funding that has already been awarded. 1750 01:31:26,340 --> 01:31:31,460 But I really want to thank her for that effort, and I remain hopeful that. 1751 01:31:31,860 --> 01:31:33,860 We may someday see that airmark. 1752 01:31:35,310 --> 01:31:36,630 Any other questions for me? 1753 01:31:38,340 --> 01:31:39,070 OK. Thank you. 1754 01:31:39,460 --> 01:31:41,540 All right, Thank you. Let's proceed to. 1755 01:31:42,740 --> 01:31:44,500 Count District reports. 1756 01:31:45,570 --> 01:31:46,290 Council Member. 1757 01:31:46,580 --> 01:31:47,620 Right. Umm. 1758 01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:51,860 With the Central Wasatch Commission, umm. 1759 01:31:51,980 --> 01:31:56,060 I sit on the small projects committee and so we had the opportunity to. 1760 01:31:56,220 --> 01:31:58,060 With a small amount of their budget. 1761 01:31:58,700 --> 01:32:01,140 Go over project applications. 1762 01:32:01,700 --> 01:32:03,540 To meet certain needs. 1763 01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:05,900 In the central Wasatch Mountains. 1764 01:32:06,220 --> 01:32:10,700 As we were able to award projects for graffiti abatement. 1765 01:32:11,180 --> 01:32:12,340 Trail Repair. 1766 01:32:12,980 --> 01:32:15,060 Bathroom maintenance, a bunch of other things which. 1767 01:32:16,580 --> 01:32:18,980 Obviously is not within Holiday City. 1768 01:32:21,300 --> 01:32:22,900 Within Holiday City but. 1769 01:32:23,540 --> 01:32:25,700 As many of our city residents. 1770 01:32:25,860 --> 01:32:26,620 Recreate. 1771 01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:28,540 The Wasatch Mountains. 1772 01:32:29,180 --> 01:32:30,020 Benefit. 1773 01:32:30,140 --> 01:32:30,630 From. 1774 01:32:30,860 --> 01:32:31,980 These services. 1775 01:32:33,140 --> 01:32:35,100 Also sit on the Transportation Committee. 1776 01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:38,060 With Central Wasatch Commission and. 1777 01:32:38,460 --> 01:32:41,020 The priority for this year is to work with. 1778 01:32:41,940 --> 01:32:43,340 The state legislature to. 1779 01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:45,140 Procure funds. 1780 01:32:46,140 --> 01:32:48,630 Improving cane transportation, this is. 1781 01:32:48,900 --> 01:32:53,380 Separate and apart from any issues with the gondola which do not support. 1782 01:32:54,420 --> 01:32:57,100 But expanding ski bus priority access. 1783 01:32:57,460 --> 01:33:01,340 So not only for holiday residents that are trying to get up the Canyon, but, umm. 1784 01:33:02,060 --> 01:33:06,300 For residents that live on the South part of the valley that are impacted. 1785 01:33:07,060 --> 01:33:08,700 Every weekend in the winter. 1786 01:33:09,380 --> 01:33:14,460 With really backed up traffic to try to help address some of those issues so that that's what we're working on. 1787 01:33:14,580 --> 01:33:16,380 At the Central Wasatch Commission. 1788 01:33:21,460 --> 01:33:25,580 We had a house fire in district for a few. 1789 01:33:25,660 --> 01:33:26,660 Few nights ago. 1790 01:33:27,020 --> 01:33:28,900 And I just wanted to thank Dan. 1791 01:33:29,940 --> 01:33:31,860 And all the. 1792 01:33:31,980 --> 01:33:32,620 The UFA. 1793 01:33:33,020 --> 01:33:33,620 Cruise um. 1794 01:33:35,300 --> 01:33:36,780 It apparently broke out. 1795 01:33:37,420 --> 01:33:39,150 About 1:30 in the morning. 1796 01:33:39,660 --> 01:33:42,100 And in talking to some of the neighbors. 1797 01:33:42,660 --> 01:33:47,790 Of course, everyone came out in their pajamas to to gather around and and watch what was happening. 1798 01:33:48,020 --> 01:33:49,620 And they were all very, very. 1799 01:33:50,830 --> 01:33:54,510 Complimentary for the the professionalism and the way. 1800 01:33:54,940 --> 01:33:56,540 The way everything unfolded and. 1801 01:33:56,900 --> 01:33:59,260 And luckily. 1802 01:33:59,700 --> 01:34:01,300 The homeowner and his dog. 1803 01:34:01,620 --> 01:34:04,500 Both survived, so everybody was really happy about that. 1804 01:34:04,620 --> 01:34:05,340 So thank you. 1805 01:34:07,140 --> 01:34:08,500 We are also very. 1806 01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:10,830 Very happy that. 1807 01:34:10,980 --> 01:34:12,940 Paving projects, not only. 1808 01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:16,540 We're done, but are now all completed. 1809 01:34:17,060 --> 01:34:21,820 And there was a street that Jerry had said was the worst St. in the city. 1810 01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:23,340 That now has a nice. 1811 01:34:23,780 --> 01:34:26,380 Black noob, smooth surface on it so. 1812 01:34:26,500 --> 01:34:30,780 We're thrilled about that as well. So that's what's been happening in District 4. We'll see if Salt Lake City Public Utilities 1813 01:34:30,780 --> 01:34:35,060 digs it up next week. Yeah, of course. 1814 01:34:39,420 --> 01:34:40,500 Arts Council. 1815 01:34:40,660 --> 01:34:41,860 It's a very, very. 1816 01:34:41,980 --> 01:34:45,220 Busy summer. We had a successful. 1817 01:34:45,850 --> 01:34:46,870 Summer musical. 1818 01:34:46,980 --> 01:34:48,020 A fiddler on the roof. 1819 01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:52,830 I think ticket sales ended up exceeding the expectations that. 1820 01:34:53,580 --> 01:34:54,860 Megan had set for us. 1821 01:34:54,940 --> 01:34:56,540 So it was a great. 1822 01:34:56,660 --> 01:34:59,140 Word-of-mouth, even with having to counsel. 1823 01:34:59,260 --> 01:35:01,940 Our Friday production due to air quality. 1824 01:35:02,060 --> 01:35:06,980 So it seemed to still all workout. It was a great turn out great show. 1825 01:35:07,660 --> 01:35:09,900 We also have now started our summer concert. 1826 01:35:10,460 --> 01:35:11,940 Which they started. 1827 01:35:12,100 --> 01:35:13,700 I guess officially on the 4th. 1828 01:35:14,450 --> 01:35:18,310 But we last week, this week we do have a Simon and Garfunkel. 1829 01:35:18,700 --> 01:35:20,300 Tribute band night. 1830 01:35:20,380 --> 01:35:23,430 So it should be a wonderful night to come out and. 1831 01:35:23,580 --> 01:35:28,620 I would just encourage you all to come this Saturday nights, they are a great event to bring everyone together. 1832 01:35:29,370 --> 01:35:36,550 And finally, I do have a request from the Arts Council for all of you as we begin to plan our Blue Moon Festival. 1833 01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:38,340 They would like to have. 1834 01:35:38,700 --> 01:35:41,190 A Meet a council member. 1835 01:35:41,300 --> 01:35:44,580 Booth just to come and talk. 1836 01:35:45,020 --> 01:35:46,740 With someone we could take shifts. 1837 01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:49,760 Put that it's September 19th. 1838 01:35:50,140 --> 01:35:51,660 From 5:00 until 9:00. 1839 01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:55,500 You obviously would not have to be there all four hours, but just. 1840 01:35:55,780 --> 01:35:58,220 Sometimes that residents can come up and interact. 1841 01:35:58,900 --> 01:36:00,230 With their council members. 1842 01:36:00,740 --> 01:36:02,420 If that is something you're interested in. 1843 01:36:02,820 --> 01:36:04,380 Mayor, though definitely not the mayor. 1844 01:36:06,190 --> 01:36:09,430 We're giving you the 2 hour shift. So. So it's it's a dunk tank. Is that what you said? 1845 01:36:11,220 --> 01:36:12,900 We might be able to fundraise on that one. 1846 01:36:15,180 --> 01:36:16,420 I'm happy helping with that. 1847 01:36:16,660 --> 01:36:19,340 Excellent. Thank you. 1848 01:36:20,700 --> 01:36:22,500 Just my usual thanks. 1849 01:36:22,580 --> 01:36:26,300 Thank you to the staff for their help on dealing with some constituent issues. 1850 01:36:27,380 --> 01:36:28,180 And then I. 1851 01:36:28,620 --> 01:36:30,540 Do you just want to pass on that I've gotten. 1852 01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:36,390 Really positive feedback on the 4th of July activities with the exception of the drone show. 1853 01:36:37,740 --> 01:36:42,060 I've heard several negative things about that, but other than that. 1854 01:36:42,940 --> 01:36:44,260 Really positive feedback. 1855 01:36:47,340 --> 01:36:49,020 I'll just second that. 1856 01:36:49,820 --> 01:36:52,700 Really had a great experience with the parade and the breakfast and. 1857 01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:57,980 I enjoy the drone show. I'm not a huge fan of fireworks but I did hear some similar comments. 1858 01:36:58,060 --> 01:37:01,900 So I just wanted to thank Jared for his help with some constituent. 1859 01:37:01,980 --> 01:37:03,300 Work. We have some. 1860 01:37:04,860 --> 01:37:06,420 Ramps that were. 1861 01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:08,340 Tripping issues. 1862 01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:13,335 So my our constituents over behind the City Hall. So anyways, he's not here if I wanted to make sure about thinking in person, but 1863 01:37:13,335 --> 01:37:16,990 wanted to add that. 1864 01:37:17,700 --> 01:37:18,500 But thanks. 1865 01:37:19,850 --> 01:37:24,210 OK, I have a couple of items. Just to echo the fireworks thing. I did get a number of comments when I. 1866 01:37:24,740 --> 01:37:26,820 Tried to re express the reasoning. 1867 01:37:26,940 --> 01:37:28,380 You know that it was simply due. 1868 01:37:28,660 --> 01:37:29,620 Not not to. 1869 01:37:29,900 --> 01:37:33,100 Drought situation. That was strictly the street fireworks decision. 1870 01:37:33,300 --> 01:37:33,980 But uh, uh. 1871 01:37:34,140 --> 01:37:36,140 The city show was strictly due to the. 1872 01:37:36,220 --> 01:37:37,380 The adjacency to the. 1873 01:37:37,540 --> 01:37:38,780 Construction project. 1874 01:37:39,180 --> 01:37:41,780 And that the timing of the booking just? 1875 01:37:41,860 --> 01:37:42,420 We couldn't. 1876 01:37:42,900 --> 01:37:44,620 Figure out the safety parameters adequately. 1877 01:37:45,220 --> 01:37:48,220 And once they kind of do that information, they. 1878 01:37:48,580 --> 01:37:50,620 Were less amped up about it, but. 1879 01:37:51,020 --> 01:37:51,980 Or primarily. 1880 01:37:52,220 --> 01:37:55,740 Concerned that that wasn't going to necessarily be a permanent decision. 1881 01:37:57,140 --> 01:37:58,300 And we still, you know. 1882 01:37:59,060 --> 01:38:01,110 We'll decide every year what we're going to do. 1883 01:38:01,620 --> 01:38:03,420 And that's one reason I wanted to. 1884 01:38:03,500 --> 01:38:04,980 To put that in the survey. 1885 01:38:06,060 --> 01:38:06,980 I just make sure we're. 1886 01:38:07,060 --> 01:38:08,740 Getting enough public input on. 1887 01:38:08,820 --> 01:38:10,420 On that particular decision. 1888 01:38:11,700 --> 01:38:14,900 But have certainly a decision that Gina and I made. 1889 01:38:15,020 --> 01:38:16,740 About this year specifically? 1890 01:38:16,940 --> 01:38:18,100 Was simply the. 1891 01:38:18,180 --> 01:38:20,300 Unknowns regarding. 1892 01:38:20,380 --> 01:38:22,540 The safety of the site. 1893 01:38:23,170 --> 01:38:25,290 The project hadn't even started yet, but we knew it. 1894 01:38:25,420 --> 01:38:27,030 Would have started by the time the show. 1895 01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:33,700 The other items I have is tomorrow. 1896 01:38:34,740 --> 01:38:36,220 Gina and I are meeting with. 1897 01:38:37,300 --> 01:38:38,340 Heather Anderson. 1898 01:38:40,380 --> 01:38:42,300 Chief lobbyist for Slavisa. 1899 01:38:42,420 --> 01:38:44,060 Which installing value law enforcement. 1900 01:38:44,660 --> 01:38:45,740 Service area. 1901 01:38:46,380 --> 01:38:48,100 We are not a Swedish city. 1902 01:38:49,420 --> 01:38:51,020 But UPD. 1903 01:38:51,300 --> 01:38:54,940 Is the primary provider along with the County Sheriff. 1904 01:38:55,020 --> 01:38:56,980 For Slovisa. 1905 01:38:57,300 --> 01:38:59,020 Service area communities like. 1906 01:38:59,140 --> 01:39:01,660 Kearns and Magda and the American Canyon, White City, etc. 1907 01:39:02,660 --> 01:39:03,380 You may have. 1908 01:39:04,420 --> 01:39:07,700 Heard from staff or read in the paper that the Salt Lake County. 1909 01:39:07,980 --> 01:39:10,820 Is put in process. 1910 01:39:13,220 --> 01:39:16,380 They've stated its desire to remove themselves from saliva. 1911 01:39:16,700 --> 01:39:23,220 Which of course will have an impact, a tremendous impact on this communities, but also on any of the UPD communities potentially. 1912 01:39:23,500 --> 01:39:28,620 So anyway, there's still a lot of questions that are unanswered with regard to. 1913 01:39:29,970 --> 01:39:32,330 Whether or not the county can really even do that. 1914 01:39:32,860 --> 01:39:33,700 And so. 1915 01:39:35,420 --> 01:39:39,100 A lot of unanswered questions and anyway, we're going to get an update. 1916 01:39:39,300 --> 01:39:40,300 Tomorrow. 1917 01:39:40,940 --> 01:39:41,780 From the. 1918 01:39:42,180 --> 01:39:45,780 From Heather Anderson, the Hobbyist. 1919 01:39:47,620 --> 01:39:49,740 Process and next steps and. 1920 01:39:50,060 --> 01:39:51,380 Likelihoods and such, but. 1921 01:39:51,620 --> 01:39:53,230 That's something we want to just keep our. 1922 01:39:53,620 --> 01:39:55,220 Our eyes on. 1923 01:39:56,540 --> 01:39:59,820 Also at UPD board meeting this morning, our. 1924 01:40:00,500 --> 01:40:06,220 Esteemed colleague former Mayor Rob Daley took an appointment on the UPD Merit Commission. 1925 01:40:06,660 --> 01:40:08,900 And so he'll be working with UPD. 1926 01:40:09,260 --> 01:40:10,540 Going forward on their. 1927 01:40:12,050 --> 01:40:14,390 Merit pay decisions in the. 1928 01:40:15,180 --> 01:40:16,100 Benefits and comp. 1929 01:40:16,420 --> 01:40:17,380 World of up. 1930 01:40:19,090 --> 01:40:19,970 Also. 1931 01:40:21,140 --> 01:40:25,860 Of course, our Chief Ackerman was introduced at UPD Board meeting and accepted to be the. 1932 01:40:26,260 --> 01:40:28,820 Chief or they endorsed our. 1933 01:40:28,980 --> 01:40:33,100 Our selection of Chief Ackerman of your next Chief. So congratulations once again. 1934 01:40:34,300 --> 01:40:38,140 Also in that same meeting, there are a couple of other retirements, not just. 1935 01:40:41,140 --> 01:40:43,820 Justin Oil being elevated to assistant chief, but. 1936 01:40:44,540 --> 01:40:49,700 Also Louise Lovato, who's the had been the XO and Mill Creek was elevated to. 1937 01:40:51,940 --> 01:40:53,300 A shared services chief. 1938 01:40:53,420 --> 01:40:55,340 Over investigations and special OPS. 1939 01:40:56,570 --> 01:40:58,330 Also in that context. 1940 01:40:58,980 --> 01:41:02,460 Chief Mouseran also indicated that it was his intent to. 1941 01:41:06,590 --> 01:41:09,750 To introduce or to make more visible. 1942 01:41:09,940 --> 01:41:12,780 The shared services element of what we. 1943 01:41:12,940 --> 01:41:14,700 Are getting with our UPD membership. 1944 01:41:15,140 --> 01:41:16,540 We often only see him. 1945 01:41:16,820 --> 01:41:20,220 In those instances that we need them. 1946 01:41:20,380 --> 01:41:21,260 When things get. 1947 01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:24,390 More rough like with SWAT and such. 1948 01:41:25,140 --> 01:41:25,620 But. 1949 01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:28,620 Certainly our community we. 1950 01:41:29,340 --> 01:41:31,180 Being as mellow as we generally are. 1951 01:41:31,580 --> 01:41:36,760 Sometimes we don't get a whole lot of visibility to some of those special services, so Chief Mouse's new policy will be to try to 1952 01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:41,940 make those special services shared services. 1953 01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:43,530 More visible to. 1954 01:41:43,730 --> 01:41:46,570 To local member cities, so we can expect over the next year to. 1955 01:41:46,690 --> 01:41:47,930 Have some visits and. 1956 01:41:48,090 --> 01:41:51,650 And extra information given to us about the great value that we get. 1957 01:41:52,130 --> 01:41:53,970 From UPD through our membership. 1958 01:41:54,650 --> 01:41:56,810 In the larger regional organization. 1959 01:41:58,440 --> 01:41:58,560 Umm. 1960 01:42:01,730 --> 01:42:03,010 OK, Yeah, that's all I have. 1961 01:42:03,130 --> 01:42:03,970 OK, very good. 1962 01:42:05,730 --> 01:42:09,450 So at this point we can assess to a work meeting. 1963 01:42:10,710 --> 01:42:11,460 Happy to take a motion. 1964 01:42:11,570 --> 01:42:12,490 Mr. Chair. 1965 01:42:12,610 --> 01:42:15,290 I move that we recess to a work meeting. 1966 01:42:15,890 --> 01:42:16,410 2nd. 1967 01:42:16,930 --> 01:42:17,610 All in favor. 1968 01:42:17,770 --> 01:42:18,930 Aye, opposed. 1969 01:42:20,210 --> 01:42:24,570 OK, discussion on previous public hearings seemed? 1970 01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:32,300 The cemetery expansion seemed to have a whole lot of opposition. Any concerns or questions? 1971 01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:36,450 All right. I guess we'll be taking a vote on that on our next meeting. 1972 01:42:36,930 --> 01:42:37,770 Presumably. 1973 01:42:38,210 --> 01:42:38,850 Fair statement. 1974 01:42:42,230 --> 01:42:47,990 Any other concerns about the next public hearing about updating the land use table to allow? 1975 01:42:48,450 --> 01:42:49,130 Personal. 1976 01:42:49,650 --> 01:42:50,370 Services. 1977 01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:52,600 Mayor, if I may. 1978 01:42:52,890 --> 01:42:54,330 Point of clarification, no. 1979 01:42:54,410 --> 01:42:56,330 The point for the minutes? 1980 01:42:57,010 --> 01:42:58,290 The public notice. 1981 01:42:58,810 --> 01:43:01,050 Page on our website does say. 1982 01:43:01,170 --> 01:43:02,250 Personal Services. 1983 01:43:03,010 --> 01:43:07,570 And also the notice has been sent to Utah Gov. The state clearinghouse Republic notices does also say personal services, but the 1984 01:43:07,570 --> 01:43:12,130 agenda says professional. 1985 01:43:12,850 --> 01:43:14,970 OK, so it's just the agenda that's the problem. 1986 01:43:16,060 --> 01:43:16,820 OK, if uh. 1987 01:43:17,530 --> 01:43:21,890 I can see some concern on the face of the young back here, but perhaps you can have a chat with John and. 1988 01:43:22,130 --> 01:43:22,890 Workout. 1989 01:43:22,970 --> 01:43:24,650 Whatever's a concern is. 1990 01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:27,120 Also. 1991 01:43:28,010 --> 01:43:29,290 Steve Peterson also. 1992 01:43:29,530 --> 01:43:32,460 Clarified that it does not include. 1993 01:43:32,850 --> 01:43:34,850 Any sexually oriented businesses? 1994 01:43:35,130 --> 01:43:38,210 In that personal service definition, so we don't need to worry about. 1995 01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:45,500 Goofy, non therapeutic massage parlors as it were. 1996 01:43:46,850 --> 01:43:49,610 And other such services so. 1997 01:43:49,970 --> 01:43:51,210 That clarifying. 1998 01:43:51,330 --> 01:43:52,330 Concern I was. 1999 01:43:52,730 --> 01:43:53,770 Wondering about the? 2000 01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:55,970 The full scope of that definition, so. 2001 01:43:56,130 --> 01:43:57,050 That seems like we're. 2002 01:43:57,770 --> 01:43:59,850 Yeah, I don't have any concerns. 2003 01:44:00,170 --> 01:44:05,170 Yeah. But we will keep that public hearing open just in case that triggers any. 2004 01:44:06,890 --> 01:44:09,450 You know concerns with the residents of Holiday Hills. 2005 01:44:12,050 --> 01:44:12,770 OK, um. 2006 01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:15,190 MHTN. 2007 01:44:16,210 --> 01:44:17,930 This is like my favorite topic. 2008 01:44:18,330 --> 01:44:18,610 Ever. 2009 01:44:20,380 --> 01:44:23,860 Mayor, I believe Holly wants to do a brief introduction and then. 2010 01:44:24,330 --> 01:44:24,970 Excellent. 2011 01:44:25,330 --> 01:44:25,810 Excellent. 2012 01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,580 Regardless, this agenda item is what we've all been waiting for. 2013 01:44:29,690 --> 01:44:31,210 Yeah, another fun item. 2014 01:44:31,650 --> 01:44:35,470 I just wanted to give you some context of where we go from here. So we'll be talking about the final bridging document. I know 2015 01:44:35,470 --> 01:44:39,290 you're getting questions from your constituents. 2016 01:44:39,650 --> 01:44:42,610 I think the community is really supportive and very. 2017 01:44:42,970 --> 01:44:45,530 Much looking forward to having a third park in our community. 2018 01:44:45,690 --> 01:44:50,770 So after tonight, what you can expect is there will be a budget amendment coming to you in August. 2019 01:44:51,250 --> 01:44:54,750 And then we will also be talking about our method of delivery. So how we're going to be managing the implementation of the 2020 01:44:54,750 --> 01:44:58,250 project. 2021 01:44:58,450 --> 01:44:59,650 Including the timeline. 2022 01:45:00,010 --> 01:45:03,100 And then we will have a discussion on. 2023 01:45:03,850 --> 01:45:05,610 The small area master plan. 2024 01:45:06,090 --> 01:45:08,890 Many of you may not know this, but when we went through our. 2025 01:45:09,050 --> 01:45:12,740 Prior to parks, we adopted what's called a Small Area Master Plan. 2026 01:45:12,890 --> 01:45:19,010 Which basically just is a vision document for how we're going to develop the property. It still will provide a lot of flexibility 2027 01:45:19,010 --> 01:45:25,130 and decision making. So it doesn't lock you in, it just gives us that vision for the record. 2028 01:45:25,290 --> 01:45:27,130 Are there any questions about those pieces? 2029 01:45:27,980 --> 01:45:29,380 OK, I'll let. 2030 01:45:35,430 --> 01:45:36,980 Good evening, Mayor and Council. 2031 01:45:37,410 --> 01:45:38,900 Thank you for that introduction. 2032 01:45:39,250 --> 01:45:40,250 Holly and Mayor. 2033 01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:42,820 We do have a presentation. 2034 01:45:42,890 --> 01:45:45,370 That will come up here shortly. 2035 01:45:45,530 --> 01:45:46,530 Just a reminder. 2036 01:45:46,610 --> 01:45:49,770 We're at the conclusion of our second phase of work. 2037 01:45:50,450 --> 01:45:54,530 Thank you for this opportunity to serve the city we've seen many of you at. 2038 01:45:55,770 --> 01:45:58,770 Tours that we took together to various dog parks. 2039 01:45:58,850 --> 01:46:02,530 At an open house that was held at the library over on holiday. 2040 01:46:03,250 --> 01:46:04,010 We've seen. 2041 01:46:04,250 --> 01:46:08,380 Broad support and great feedback throughout these processes so. 2042 01:46:08,490 --> 01:46:11,140 Tonight, if we could go ahead and dance to the next slide. 2043 01:46:11,290 --> 01:46:15,030 We're going to just give you a brief update and reminder for those who haven't been as involved in the process from the public, 2044 01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:18,770 where we've gone and where we are schedule wise. 2045 01:46:19,210 --> 01:46:23,450 We're going to explain what a bridging document is and what this will include, so. 2046 01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:27,530 It's a bit of a foreign term for many. We thought it'd be helpful to explain that. 2047 01:46:28,430 --> 01:46:32,380 One of the key topics that has come up repeatedly is this idea of. 2048 01:46:33,450 --> 01:46:36,650 Trying to preserve the existing lawn which is there. 2049 01:46:36,850 --> 01:46:38,210 And upgrade. 2050 01:46:38,610 --> 01:46:39,930 Some of the irrigation equipment. 2051 01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:43,570 Versus total replacement. So we have information for you on. 2052 01:46:43,690 --> 01:46:48,090 Costs and a recommendation based on the research we've been doing with the steering committee. 2053 01:46:48,650 --> 01:46:51,290 Then we have a cost opinion that will present. 2054 01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:57,140 Just for clarification, it's an opinion of probable cost from an estimate of a professional estimator. 2055 01:46:57,250 --> 01:47:03,290 These are not yet have bids. Now, estimators do use recent bid information to drive their costs, but. 2056 01:47:03,450 --> 01:47:08,570 Just so we know it could come in a little lower, it could come in slightly higher, but we think it's going to be very close. 2057 01:47:08,690 --> 01:47:09,690 So that'll help. 2058 01:47:09,770 --> 01:47:11,890 The Council's decisions. 2059 01:47:12,090 --> 01:47:14,650 And then just a final cut of next step slide. 2060 01:47:15,090 --> 01:47:16,170 So I'm going to introduce. 2061 01:47:16,770 --> 01:47:17,690 Vince Alcott. 2062 01:47:17,770 --> 01:47:19,290 And tape. 2063 01:47:19,650 --> 01:47:21,530 Will be taking us to the rest of the presentation. 2064 01:47:23,580 --> 01:47:25,420 All right, it's good to be back. 2065 01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:32,850 My part here at the beginning is very simple, just a schedule update if we go to the next slide here. 2066 01:47:33,250 --> 01:47:36,490 So up to this point we have completed the bridging document. 2067 01:47:36,690 --> 01:47:38,890 And we have completed a cost estimate. 2068 01:47:39,370 --> 01:47:41,650 And right now we're in this final the doing. 2069 01:47:41,890 --> 01:47:44,890 In progress portion here is this final. 2070 01:47:45,050 --> 01:47:46,290 Bridging document with. 2071 01:47:46,410 --> 01:47:47,850 Any input that you have? 2072 01:47:47,970 --> 01:47:48,570 Today. 2073 01:47:49,210 --> 01:47:51,170 Just to finalize everything. 2074 01:47:51,290 --> 01:47:54,890 And then upcoming from here is again the city to select. 2075 01:47:54,970 --> 01:47:56,490 An actual delivery method. 2076 01:47:56,770 --> 01:47:57,450 For the. 2077 01:47:57,650 --> 01:48:00,450 Final design and construction of the project. 2078 01:48:00,810 --> 01:48:02,610 And then after that is the. 2079 01:48:02,770 --> 01:48:04,290 The construction phase. 2080 01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:06,820 Any questions up to this point? 2081 01:48:07,870 --> 01:48:10,260 All right, we're gonna have Tate talk about the actually. 2082 01:48:10,530 --> 01:48:11,810 Actual bridging document. 2083 01:48:11,930 --> 01:48:14,370 And then we'll come back around to turf. 2084 01:48:15,690 --> 01:48:16,450 Yeah, thanks. 2085 01:48:17,130 --> 01:48:19,570 So like Ryan mentioned, we want to talk. 2086 01:48:19,650 --> 01:48:24,050 Briefly about what a bridging document is, its purpose, what it's used for. 2087 01:48:25,050 --> 01:48:26,770 So a bridging. 2088 01:48:26,850 --> 01:48:27,970 Tends to serve. 2089 01:48:28,690 --> 01:48:30,370 As a bridge, hence its name. 2090 01:48:30,450 --> 01:48:33,130 Between the conceptual master plan. 2091 01:48:33,410 --> 01:48:35,450 That we had in 2024. 2092 01:48:35,530 --> 01:48:37,090 And move it into. 2093 01:48:37,170 --> 01:48:43,490 That design development into construction documents. So it acts as kind of an intermediary between those two phases. 2094 01:48:43,890 --> 01:48:46,380 And it helps do primarily 3 things. 2095 01:48:47,330 --> 01:48:51,690 And so here we can see this is the table of contents that we have in our. 2096 01:48:51,850 --> 01:48:54,020 Bridging document as it stands currently. 2097 01:48:54,250 --> 01:48:59,890 The main intent of the bridging document, like I said, is to establish owner intent in this case. 2098 01:48:59,970 --> 01:49:01,210 You guys as the city? 2099 01:49:02,650 --> 01:49:06,620 It's to help establish minimum program elements. 2100 01:49:06,730 --> 01:49:09,210 That are required. So those are things like. 2101 01:49:09,370 --> 01:49:12,170 A dog park for pickleball courts. 2102 01:49:12,610 --> 01:49:17,970 And you know the, the multi-purpose fields trails things that we've we've decided. 2103 01:49:18,330 --> 01:49:20,090 Through community engagement that. 2104 01:49:20,170 --> 01:49:22,050 Yes, the community wants these things. 2105 01:49:22,170 --> 01:49:27,890 So they are now officially in this bridging document established as Minimum program requirements. 2106 01:49:28,090 --> 01:49:32,450 And then the last thing it does is establishes minimum. 2107 01:49:32,770 --> 01:49:35,010 Requirements for those programs so. 2108 01:49:35,330 --> 01:49:40,050 They can't just put any type of trail in there. We're specifying that they have to be of certain material. 2109 01:49:40,130 --> 01:49:42,290 Or dog park has to be a certain size. 2110 01:49:42,450 --> 01:49:43,130 Things like that. 2111 01:49:43,410 --> 01:49:45,690 So primarily it works for those three things. 2112 01:49:45,850 --> 01:49:51,690 I'm here. Like I said, this is the table of contents that we've currently got. We feel like it's fairly robust for this. 2113 01:49:51,810 --> 01:49:53,530 Style and type of project. 2114 01:49:54,450 --> 01:49:59,380 We feel like we're fairly clear. We've been working with the steering committee to help establish those. 2115 01:49:59,610 --> 01:50:01,770 And then if we go on to the next slide. 2116 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:04,540 The other thing that a bridging document. 2117 01:50:04,970 --> 01:50:08,570 Typically, will have in addition to all of its written portion. 2118 01:50:08,650 --> 01:50:11,810 Is some supporting graphics, so in our case we have. 2119 01:50:12,090 --> 01:50:13,210 This rendering. 2120 01:50:13,490 --> 01:50:14,290 Which helps. 2121 01:50:14,570 --> 01:50:18,090 Identify and communicate some of those design intents. 2122 01:50:18,290 --> 01:50:24,610 And then not shown in this presentation, there is a more of a CAD plan that matches all of these things, but it's to help. 2123 01:50:24,770 --> 01:50:27,530 Those bid those teams that are bidding the project. 2124 01:50:27,570 --> 01:50:29,460 See it in a way that they're a little bit more. 2125 01:50:29,570 --> 01:50:30,370 Used to sing. 2126 01:50:31,050 --> 01:50:34,340 So that'll help them as well. So we've provided both of those in the bridging document. 2127 01:50:35,970 --> 01:50:41,330 We did want to talk a little bit about some of the changes that were made from our last meeting. 2128 01:50:42,050 --> 01:50:43,010 On June 11th. 2129 01:50:43,530 --> 01:50:46,010 There were a couple things that we wanted to focus on. 2130 01:50:46,250 --> 01:50:47,210 Mayor, I believe. 2131 01:50:47,330 --> 01:50:49,530 One of your main comments was about that restroom. 2132 01:50:50,570 --> 01:50:51,850 Abutting that pavilion. 2133 01:50:52,250 --> 01:50:56,090 Yeah. So, so we did look at that. We shifted it down to that South side and we're playing with it and we wanted to look at those 2134 01:50:56,090 --> 01:50:59,930 views. 2135 01:51:00,170 --> 01:51:01,290 As you know. 2136 01:51:01,530 --> 01:51:04,700 OK, what does that do for a parent who's sitting in a pavilion trying to see? 2137 01:51:04,850 --> 01:51:07,650 One kid at the playground, one that's running to the restroom. 2138 01:51:08,290 --> 01:51:09,490 And as we. 2139 01:51:09,610 --> 01:51:12,550 Kept looking at it and shifting things around. We kept feeling like that's it. Ends up blocking more views by shifting it to the 2140 01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:15,490 South. 2141 01:51:16,530 --> 01:51:18,090 But in doing that. 2142 01:51:18,170 --> 01:51:19,970 We thought, what if we mirror? 2143 01:51:20,090 --> 01:51:23,420 The orientation that we were originally showing of that building. 2144 01:51:23,650 --> 01:51:28,530 So previously we had been showing it with a the restroom to the Northside. 2145 01:51:28,770 --> 01:51:31,090 And then the maintenance structure on the South side. 2146 01:51:31,210 --> 01:51:32,810 What we've done is we've flipped those. 2147 01:51:33,050 --> 01:51:35,730 So the restroom is on the South portion of that building. 2148 01:51:35,810 --> 01:51:37,410 So a parent sitting in that pavilion. 2149 01:51:37,770 --> 01:51:39,290 Kind of can have one eye here. 2150 01:51:39,410 --> 01:51:40,330 When I hear. 2151 01:51:41,010 --> 01:51:43,690 And kind of try to better keep an eye on both kids. 2152 01:51:45,650 --> 01:51:50,900 Another thing that we talked about was maybe moving that and having the pavilion go further to the West. 2153 01:51:51,970 --> 01:51:56,370 We looked at that as well, but there were some concerns about having the pavilion too close to property. 2154 01:51:56,730 --> 01:51:57,690 Laments so. 2155 01:51:57,810 --> 01:51:58,650 Again, we thought. 2156 01:51:58,690 --> 01:52:02,370 For the purposes of where we're at for this bridging document, we feel like it's safer to keep. 2157 01:52:02,490 --> 01:52:03,890 The pavilion where it was at. 2158 01:52:04,010 --> 01:52:07,620 We did however adjust some of the verbiage in that bridging document. 2159 01:52:07,810 --> 01:52:09,250 To umm. 2160 01:52:09,570 --> 01:52:11,890 Allow bid teams to. 2161 01:52:12,010 --> 01:52:18,010 Proposed combining the pavilion and that structure into one larger structure, if that's something that. 2162 01:52:18,370 --> 01:52:19,730 In that phase of design. 2163 01:52:19,850 --> 01:52:20,890 The city wants to explore. 2164 01:52:21,450 --> 01:52:23,050 So we did look at those things. 2165 01:52:23,730 --> 01:52:26,220 I think the other thing I want to make sure we explore on the. 2166 01:52:26,370 --> 01:52:27,250 Pavilion is. 2167 01:52:27,330 --> 01:52:31,950 Taking advantage of sight lines for sure, and that's something that's specifically we put into that text of the of the bridging 2168 01:52:31,950 --> 01:52:36,570 document in those design intents. 2169 01:52:36,730 --> 01:52:40,740 We want to Orient it to Mount Olympus to preserve those views. 2170 01:52:40,850 --> 01:52:43,170 Any any program elements that are. 2171 01:52:43,850 --> 01:52:45,250 Impeding those views are. 2172 01:52:45,450 --> 01:52:47,690 Are cement intended to be shorter? 2173 01:52:47,770 --> 01:52:50,340 To preserve that view. So that's all written in that bridging document. 2174 01:52:50,690 --> 01:52:51,370 Great. OK. 2175 01:52:52,810 --> 01:52:57,380 Any questions on the bridging document portion, its intent, anything like that? 2176 01:52:58,450 --> 01:52:59,850 No, OK. 2177 01:53:00,410 --> 01:53:02,890 I think we'll pass it off to Vince for the next. 2178 01:53:03,050 --> 01:53:03,650 Section. 2179 01:53:05,470 --> 01:53:09,060 This is the really fun part of the presentation right here. 2180 01:53:09,410 --> 01:53:13,050 We're talking turf, not artificial turf. We're talking actual. 2181 01:53:13,170 --> 01:53:17,090 Grass, real grass here. And then we're going to talk irrigation. 2182 01:53:17,490 --> 01:53:19,930 As we go through this and this, I know this was. 2183 01:53:20,090 --> 01:53:21,570 Question as to whether? 2184 01:53:21,690 --> 01:53:23,970 To remove all of the irrigation. 2185 01:53:24,050 --> 01:53:25,530 Or to leave parts of your. 2186 01:53:25,650 --> 01:53:27,850 Existing irrigation and the turf. 2187 01:53:28,330 --> 01:53:29,530 And to try and. 2188 01:53:29,650 --> 01:53:30,770 Cut. Let's see. 2189 01:53:30,890 --> 01:53:34,410 Cut and patch it back together as we do construction around it, so. 2190 01:53:34,890 --> 01:53:36,570 We have two slides here. 2191 01:53:37,210 --> 01:53:38,490 What the first one is about? 2192 01:53:38,890 --> 01:53:39,930 Turf types. 2193 01:53:40,050 --> 01:53:43,690 I know that that was in their group. Can we use different turf types? 2194 01:53:43,850 --> 01:53:44,770 To actually. 2195 01:53:45,450 --> 01:53:50,290 Get better performance or save more water. So if we go to the next slide here we have. 2196 01:53:51,170 --> 01:53:55,890 Three types of turf that are typically used in a multi-purpose or a sports field. 2197 01:53:56,530 --> 01:53:58,010 Kentucky Bluegrass. 2198 01:53:58,250 --> 01:54:00,410 We're all familiar with that again. 2199 01:54:00,610 --> 01:54:04,810 It does have and I've got some of these qualities that are listed here. The pros. 2200 01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:05,930 And the cons. 2201 01:54:06,770 --> 01:54:09,690 Again, bluegrass has this unmatched self healing. 2202 01:54:09,770 --> 01:54:10,410 So, uh. 2203 01:54:10,770 --> 01:54:15,290 It has the ability to spread and to fill in if there's bare spots that come up. 2204 01:54:15,650 --> 01:54:18,890 Again, we get that nice fine texture, soft. 2205 01:54:19,810 --> 01:54:21,410 Excellent blue-green color. 2206 01:54:21,770 --> 01:54:22,970 And it has excellent. 2207 01:54:23,090 --> 01:54:24,330 Called tolerance. 2208 01:54:25,050 --> 01:54:26,450 Now the cons to. 2209 01:54:26,650 --> 01:54:28,370 Kentucky bluegrass is that. 2210 01:54:28,450 --> 01:54:29,890 Does require more water. 2211 01:54:30,450 --> 01:54:33,410 Sometimes up to 50% more water. 2212 01:54:33,930 --> 01:54:36,410 OK, it does require more. 2213 01:54:36,490 --> 01:54:38,090 Regular fertilization. 2214 01:54:38,330 --> 01:54:39,930 Then maybe a fescue does. 2215 01:54:40,370 --> 01:54:42,250 And it just it does go. 2216 01:54:42,370 --> 01:54:44,130 Dormant or it turns brown. 2217 01:54:44,490 --> 01:54:46,570 During the extended hot dry spells. 2218 01:54:47,410 --> 01:54:49,090 Not heavily irrigated. 2219 01:54:49,530 --> 01:54:52,530 And of course, in the winter it does go dormant. 2220 01:54:53,500 --> 01:54:54,460 And then you know. 2221 01:54:54,690 --> 01:54:57,170 It's susceptible to. 2222 01:54:57,250 --> 01:54:58,970 Different fungal diseases. 2223 01:54:59,090 --> 01:55:01,090 Like summer patch and it's prone to. 2224 01:55:01,170 --> 01:55:03,130 That's buildups overtime. 2225 01:55:03,730 --> 01:55:07,490 The top of your surface keeps growing because the thatch just keeps filling in. 2226 01:55:07,610 --> 01:55:09,210 So that's bluegrass. 2227 01:55:09,330 --> 01:55:10,890 We're all familiar with it. 2228 01:55:11,490 --> 01:55:13,650 We also do know that if we irrigate it. 2229 01:55:13,730 --> 01:55:14,450 Correctly. 2230 01:55:14,690 --> 01:55:17,290 That we can reduce the amount of water that is. 2231 01:55:17,370 --> 01:55:18,010 Placed on. 2232 01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,980 That leads to the second one here, which is a tall turf. 2233 01:55:22,090 --> 01:55:22,690 Fescue. 2234 01:55:24,090 --> 01:55:26,330 You'll see this used a lot in. 2235 01:55:26,610 --> 01:55:28,050 Some sports fields. 2236 01:55:28,410 --> 01:55:29,170 Again. 2237 01:55:29,330 --> 01:55:34,610 It has an exceptionally deep roots, so it stays green during the hot summers. 2238 01:55:35,210 --> 01:55:37,130 Whereas other cool season. 2239 01:55:37,490 --> 01:55:39,970 Grass is similar to Kentucky bluegrass. 2240 01:55:40,130 --> 01:55:40,890 They do go. 2241 01:55:40,970 --> 01:55:44,530 Dormant. It does have a high tolerance for shade. 2242 01:55:45,450 --> 01:55:46,730 Heavy foot traffic. 2243 01:55:46,850 --> 01:55:48,090 And wearing tear. 2244 01:55:48,690 --> 01:55:52,010 And it requires less water and less. 2245 01:55:52,130 --> 01:55:52,810 Fertilizer. 2246 01:55:53,210 --> 01:55:55,370 Basically the Kentucky Bluegrass. 2247 01:55:57,250 --> 01:55:59,250 There's some cons to it here. 2248 01:55:59,490 --> 01:56:02,370 One is it? It grows in clumps, so it's not. 2249 01:56:02,450 --> 01:56:03,210 Spreading. 2250 01:56:03,850 --> 01:56:05,690 As you would like on a bluegrass. 2251 01:56:06,090 --> 01:56:07,170 So that any. 2252 01:56:07,290 --> 01:56:09,970 You know bare spots or damaged spots? Well, they need. 2253 01:56:10,170 --> 01:56:11,410 To be receded. 2254 01:56:11,490 --> 01:56:13,090 To get that to grow back. 2255 01:56:14,250 --> 01:56:15,570 It is a wider. 2256 01:56:16,210 --> 01:56:18,090 Coarser blade, so it's not as that. 2257 01:56:18,610 --> 01:56:19,570 Not as soft. 2258 01:56:19,690 --> 01:56:20,370 Under foot. 2259 01:56:20,450 --> 01:56:22,570 Maybe as a Kentucky Bluegrass. 2260 01:56:23,330 --> 01:56:29,450 And then even humid climates, it's more susceptible to a brown patch fungal diseases. 2261 01:56:29,850 --> 01:56:31,850 We typically wouldn't see here or not. 2262 01:56:32,330 --> 01:56:34,170 And you know there's not. 2263 01:56:34,250 --> 01:56:35,210 Hot. Dry. 2264 01:56:35,410 --> 01:56:38,490 Utah, the third one that's out there. 2265 01:56:39,210 --> 01:56:42,850 Is Bermuda grass and right now in the state of Utah? 2266 01:56:42,930 --> 01:56:47,370 There is only one type of Bermuda grass that's permitted in the Salt Lake area, and that's like a. 2267 01:56:47,810 --> 01:56:50,450 Tahoma 31 or 32. 2268 01:56:51,050 --> 01:56:52,490 Blend so it is pretty. 2269 01:56:52,610 --> 01:56:53,490 Permitted here. 2270 01:56:53,610 --> 01:56:56,770 Just understand that there are some pros and there are some cons. 2271 01:56:57,450 --> 01:56:58,850 To this type of grass. 2272 01:56:59,570 --> 01:57:01,930 Pros It's incredibly heat and drought. 2273 01:57:02,010 --> 01:57:04,730 Tolerant. It rebounds quickly. 2274 01:57:05,770 --> 01:57:10,370 From summer stress, it's got exceptional recovery rate, traffic tolerance. 2275 01:57:10,570 --> 01:57:12,650 And it's frequently used on. 2276 01:57:12,770 --> 01:57:15,690 Athletic fields, particularly for pro sports. 2277 01:57:15,970 --> 01:57:17,730 Of that type of thing just because. 2278 01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:22,260 The pros like the way it feels underneath the cleats. 2279 01:57:22,650 --> 01:57:24,530 And it's used on golf courses a lot. 2280 01:57:25,420 --> 01:57:26,780 So the cons here. 2281 01:57:27,050 --> 01:57:29,490 It's doesn't handle shade. 2282 01:57:32,380 --> 01:57:33,340 And it goes. 2283 01:57:34,050 --> 01:57:36,100 And when it goes dormant, it goes. 2284 01:57:36,730 --> 01:57:37,930 Completely brown. 2285 01:57:39,530 --> 01:57:40,770 Just understand that. 2286 01:57:40,850 --> 01:57:42,530 You decide to go that route. 2287 01:57:43,050 --> 01:57:44,690 And it does use less water. 2288 01:57:46,050 --> 01:57:50,290 Just but just understand when it goes dormant it does go brown and. 2289 01:57:52,170 --> 01:57:53,450 Bermuda grass here. 2290 01:57:53,570 --> 01:57:54,690 And why the only? 2291 01:57:55,090 --> 01:57:57,770 Variety is this Tahoma 31? 2292 01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:01,020 Is that it doesn't spread. 2293 01:58:01,730 --> 01:58:03,210 My rhizomes under the ground. 2294 01:58:03,810 --> 01:58:04,850 So you can only. 2295 01:58:04,930 --> 01:58:06,890 Purchase it in a sod form. 2296 01:58:07,490 --> 01:58:08,330 Or by putting. 2297 01:58:08,410 --> 01:58:08,970 Plugs in. 2298 01:58:09,610 --> 01:58:13,140 Which is just basically the process of taking each little plant. 2299 01:58:14,580 --> 01:58:16,860 And plugging it in the ground and then it. 2300 01:58:16,970 --> 01:58:19,410 It grows. So those are the cons to that. 2301 01:58:19,690 --> 01:58:24,370 So just be aware that in the right moment, it's fairly expensive. 2302 01:58:25,900 --> 01:58:29,140 So those are the turf types that we could look at doing. 2303 01:58:29,290 --> 01:58:34,850 So Costa is not listed as a con on Bermuda, but that would be one that would be 1 of significantly more expensive than the other. 2304 01:58:35,250 --> 01:58:37,530 Options and it's just because. 2305 01:58:37,690 --> 01:58:41,970 It's only we're limited to that one variety of grass. 2306 01:58:42,130 --> 01:58:44,130 Right. That's the only one that's approved. 2307 01:58:44,650 --> 01:58:46,290 At least in northern Utah. 2308 01:58:46,690 --> 01:58:49,330 But it would use significantly less. It would it's. 2309 01:58:49,730 --> 01:58:50,730 It yes. 2310 01:58:51,710 --> 01:58:56,300 I grew up in Arizona and that's all they had was Bermuda grass and I'm not sure they ever watered it. 2311 01:58:56,690 --> 01:58:59,690 At least that's what it felt like when I was playing on SO. 2312 01:59:02,270 --> 01:59:09,140 Is there a way we can get some context of other city parks in Salt Lake County, whether they're county parks or city parks? 2313 01:59:09,330 --> 01:59:10,330 And what they're. 2314 01:59:10,570 --> 01:59:11,970 Currently using. 2315 01:59:12,130 --> 01:59:14,850 To my knowledge, I think they were talking about playfields. 2316 01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:22,180 We can get that for you. I think there's only one that's actually has the Bermuda grass installed. 2317 01:59:23,290 --> 01:59:25,580 Kentucky Bluegrass you'll see all over the place. 2318 01:59:26,330 --> 01:59:28,410 The Talter fescue. 2319 01:59:29,090 --> 01:59:29,730 I was on a. 2320 01:59:29,810 --> 01:59:31,770 A golf course this this morning. 2321 01:59:32,050 --> 01:59:33,610 And that's what's growing. 2322 01:59:34,090 --> 01:59:34,810 Basically. 2323 01:59:34,890 --> 01:59:35,930 In the rough is that. 2324 01:59:36,210 --> 01:59:37,650 Tall turf fescue and it just. 2325 01:59:38,010 --> 01:59:38,610 Gross. 2326 01:59:39,090 --> 01:59:39,610 The rough. 2327 01:59:39,730 --> 01:59:41,370 Not the fair, not the fair. 2328 01:59:41,890 --> 01:59:44,410 At least I didn't. I never made it to the fairway. 2329 01:59:47,050 --> 01:59:48,850 Anyways, but there are there are. 2330 01:59:48,930 --> 01:59:51,290 Parks around that do have a tall turf fescue in it. 2331 01:59:51,410 --> 01:59:52,690 And again, it's just a. 2332 01:59:52,890 --> 01:59:54,970 A wider blade. That's of course your blade. 2333 01:59:55,750 --> 01:59:58,390 But it does handle 2 playfields though. 2334 01:59:58,650 --> 02:00:01,170 Where soccer is more seriously played. 2335 02:00:01,990 --> 02:00:02,900 Or is this more? 2336 02:00:04,340 --> 02:00:07,500 It's dog parks and it's probably more rougher parks. 2337 02:00:07,610 --> 02:00:08,170 Yes. 2338 02:00:09,650 --> 02:00:10,170 That's correct. 2339 02:00:10,850 --> 02:00:14,690 Given the different constraints that we're looking at. 2340 02:00:14,810 --> 02:00:16,770 Which of these do you guys recommend? 2341 02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:26,140 The question I'm going to ask is how often are the fields going to? 2342 02:00:26,570 --> 02:00:27,130 Be used. 2343 02:00:28,060 --> 02:00:29,620 And that's probably the biggest one. 2344 02:00:31,430 --> 02:00:34,780 With soccer fields, I mean, that's spring and fall. That's spring and fall. 2345 02:00:35,090 --> 02:00:35,610 And if. 2346 02:00:36,170 --> 02:00:37,650 Then you're probably. 2347 02:00:39,750 --> 02:00:42,620 You're probably leaning towards toward a bluegrass. 2348 02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:45,940 Just because it handles the cold better and it. 2349 02:00:46,050 --> 02:00:48,130 Comes out. It'll come out quicker from the. 2350 02:00:48,210 --> 02:00:48,850 The Winter. 2351 02:00:50,010 --> 02:00:51,450 You need to get it all set up if we have. 2352 02:00:52,810 --> 02:00:55,900 Proper irrigation modern irrigation systems that we. 2353 02:00:56,050 --> 02:00:57,410 Don't necessarily have to. 2354 02:00:57,810 --> 02:00:58,850 Go nuts on the. 2355 02:00:59,530 --> 02:01:01,290 Correct watering if we have decent. 2356 02:01:01,490 --> 02:01:03,410 Current technology, and that's part of the. 2357 02:01:03,530 --> 02:01:04,330 The budget, right? 2358 02:01:04,450 --> 02:01:05,010 Correct. 2359 02:01:05,090 --> 02:01:06,730 And we can go to the next slide. 2360 02:01:06,890 --> 02:01:08,290 That's a good segue here. 2361 02:01:08,770 --> 02:01:11,610 Where we start talking talking about irrigation. So there was a. 2362 02:01:11,690 --> 02:01:12,490 Question. 2363 02:01:12,650 --> 02:01:13,810 I think from the Council. 2364 02:01:13,890 --> 02:01:14,330 Whether? 2365 02:01:14,890 --> 02:01:17,450 Leave the existing irrigation system in place. 2366 02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:19,660 Or to replace part. 2367 02:01:19,730 --> 02:01:22,490 Or all of it with new irrigation system. 2368 02:01:22,930 --> 02:01:26,930 So the school that's been there for years, we're unsure of exactly when. 2369 02:01:27,010 --> 02:01:29,330 The current irrigation system was installed. 2370 02:01:29,650 --> 02:01:30,770 Or what stated. 2371 02:01:31,170 --> 02:01:32,610 You know what? The state of that? 2372 02:01:32,970 --> 02:01:34,770 Particular irrigation system is. 2373 02:01:36,930 --> 02:01:39,570 If it was installed in the coverage. 2374 02:01:39,650 --> 02:01:43,050 Of the irrigation system between the different irrigation heads. 2375 02:01:43,250 --> 02:01:44,370 Is not correct. 2376 02:01:44,490 --> 02:01:48,490 Then you're basically throwing more water on it than needs to be. 2377 02:01:48,810 --> 02:01:49,370 On there. 2378 02:01:49,810 --> 02:01:51,570 And as we go throughout this. 2379 02:01:51,650 --> 02:01:52,690 Park and we, we. 2380 02:01:52,770 --> 02:01:55,650 Take portions of particular on the edges of the park. 2381 02:01:56,010 --> 02:01:57,780 And we're going to be installing more. 2382 02:01:58,090 --> 02:01:59,610 Actual drought tolerant. 2383 02:01:59,930 --> 02:02:01,170 Type of material. 2384 02:02:02,130 --> 02:02:03,450 Will we will be. 2385 02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:08,640 Cutting and patching that irrigation system, which would probably lead to more. 2386 02:02:08,720 --> 02:02:09,920 Inefficiencies. 2387 02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:11,280 In the irrigation system. 2388 02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:15,880 So by going to a new system then you'll see here at the bottom. 2389 02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:18,360 We're recommending. 2390 02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:22,360 To basically keep the irrigation mainline that's under the ground now. 2391 02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:26,320 And to install new heads and laterals and valves. 2392 02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:30,760 To make sure that it is up to date and as efficient as it can be. 2393 02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:32,890 A good portion of the water. 2394 02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:38,120 In applications, whether it's residential or for cities. 2395 02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:39,880 Where we're wasting water is just. 2396 02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:43,320 Probably due to inefficiencies in the irrigation system. 2397 02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:45,840 Where we don't have the correct coverage. 2398 02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:47,120 And we had. 2399 02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:53,600 Understand great success in our other city parks in doing just that, upgrading the irrigation system and the heads which. 2400 02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:55,200 Everybody was. 2401 02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:57,240 Giving them a standing ovation when we. 2402 02:02:57,440 --> 02:02:58,880 So I think. 2403 02:02:59,040 --> 02:02:59,760 You'll find. 2404 02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:01,680 Good support for. 2405 02:03:03,250 --> 02:03:04,610 Upgrading the irrigation system. 2406 02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:09,520 OK, what is it in Bluegrass in the park now in the my. My guess is that. 2407 02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:10,720 It is bluegrass. 2408 02:03:11,560 --> 02:03:13,400 It's so rough and lumpy and. 2409 02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:14,200 And yeah. 2410 02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:17,520 With some rock patches and such, but it's old. 2411 02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:19,120 Yeah, so. 2412 02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:22,880 It's got patches and it probably has different types of, you know. 2413 02:03:23,320 --> 02:03:27,480 Weeds or other types of grasses that have mixed in and it just kind of. 2414 02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:28,770 Probably giving you that. 2415 02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:31,200 And it's been compacted over time. 2416 02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:33,920 The top soil has and so that'll give you. 2417 02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:35,280 A little bit rougher feel. 2418 02:03:39,240 --> 02:03:40,600 This is going to betray my. 2419 02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:43,680 Incompetence is a yard per seat, but. 2420 02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:49,120 Is there such a thing as like mixing different kinds of turf? Like can you use in some areas? 2421 02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:50,960 Unkind, and in others another. 2422 02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:52,090 You could. 2423 02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:54,200 And and as long as they're. 2424 02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:57,080 Separated. Like physically separated. 2425 02:03:57,200 --> 02:04:00,520 That would work otherwise, eventually one or the other will. 2426 02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:01,800 Take over, take over. 2427 02:04:03,470 --> 02:04:12,110 So just a follow-up question on that using your Arizona example, I lived there for 3 1/2 long years as well and. 2428 02:04:14,330 --> 02:04:15,810 We had Bermuda grass but then would. 2429 02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:19,000 Overseed it in the winter with rye grass. 2430 02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:24,465 To help manage that transition correct between seasons. Is that something we could do You could you could look at that and again 2431 02:04:24,465 --> 02:04:29,650 the rye grass is something that typically when you. 2432 02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:30,440 When you. 2433 02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:32,080 Put down a grass seed. 2434 02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:39,000 There's probably a rye or perennial rye that's mixed in there to, again, to get that grass to come up. 2435 02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:42,770 And get a little bit of maybe shade to get the. 2436 02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:45,360 Rest of the grass to come up and germinate. 2437 02:04:45,720 --> 02:04:46,800 And then overtime that. 2438 02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:48,040 Perennial rye grass. 2439 02:04:49,020 --> 02:04:51,370 Goes away as the other grass comes in. 2440 02:04:54,010 --> 02:04:55,090 Does the Tal. 2441 02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:57,570 Fescue turned brown in the winter. 2442 02:05:00,030 --> 02:05:02,830 It is a warm season grass of. 2443 02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:04,360 Yes. 2444 02:05:06,780 --> 02:05:08,410 It will. It will go dormant. 2445 02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:11,760 Just like the others, but not as much it's my understanding. 2446 02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:15,120 So as far as. 2447 02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:16,680 The downsides? 2448 02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:17,920 You think that? 2449 02:05:18,360 --> 02:05:19,120 The wider. 2450 02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:22,640 Leaf and it's not as soft. Do you think those are the? 2451 02:05:22,720 --> 02:05:24,640 The problems that we would run into the. 2452 02:05:25,970 --> 02:05:29,770 Things that would make our residents, the visitors to the park, unhappy. 2453 02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:35,050 Yeah, they'll they'll notice, particularly if they're going barefoot, if everybody's in shoes. 2454 02:05:36,410 --> 02:05:37,690 I don't think it makes a difference. 2455 02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:38,520 But when they. 2456 02:05:38,760 --> 02:05:39,960 You know, person goes. 2457 02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:41,880 Barefoot, they'll fill a little bit more. 2458 02:05:42,930 --> 02:05:47,970 So I'm speaking for myself, but I get the impression from other council members and they can. 2459 02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:49,200 Clarify that. 2460 02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:52,480 I really am interested in doing something that. 2461 02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:55,760 Requires less water, sure, I just. 2462 02:05:56,120 --> 02:05:58,760 I think that's the responsible thing to do. 2463 02:06:00,040 --> 02:06:06,320 But also I want to make sure that it's usable for the primary purpose that we're seeing this for is for soccer fields. 2464 02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:08,960 Do you feel like these? 2465 02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:14,880 Told her for this Bermuda grass can work for these soccer fields in spring and and fall. I mean you kind of. 2466 02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:16,320 Jumped on the Kentucky. 2467 02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:17,360 Bluegrass but. 2468 02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:23,330 It does require more water even with the more efficient system, so we're I'm just wondering if if there is a way to. 2469 02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:24,720 Use some of these. 2470 02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:26,400 More water wise. 2471 02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:29,520 Turf for. 2472 02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:31,080 Specifically for. 2473 02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:33,040 Like for soccer fields. 2474 02:06:35,800 --> 02:06:37,240 I think this one through for a minute. 2475 02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:44,490 Again, typically what we see on. 2476 02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:46,280 Sports fields here. 2477 02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:47,720 Bluegrass. 2478 02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:50,880 And again, it just has to do with this fact that it. 2479 02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:53,320 It repairs itself. 2480 02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:54,680 Much easier. 2481 02:06:55,450 --> 02:06:57,410 But it does take water to do that. 2482 02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:00,530 I have seen fescue used on. 2483 02:07:00,680 --> 02:07:01,360 Parks. 2484 02:07:02,280 --> 02:07:03,880 And it does well. 2485 02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:09,080 Again, it will go dormant in the winter and as the summer comes on it it. 2486 02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:11,850 Greens up maybe a little bit later than. 2487 02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:12,960 Your bluegrass. 2488 02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:14,680 So they're they're opposites. 2489 02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:18,480 The talter fescue will stay greener in the summer. 2490 02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:20,680 And as the you know, Spring and. 2491 02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:22,880 In winter hit. 2492 02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:23,960 Spring and fall. 2493 02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:25,960 It does go more dormant. 2494 02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:28,480 And whereas bluegrass is the opposite. 2495 02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:30,880 Spring and fall. 2496 02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:31,920 It's greener. 2497 02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:33,040 And then it. 2498 02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:34,080 Again, if you don't. 2499 02:07:34,240 --> 02:07:35,400 Irrigate it correctly. 2500 02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:36,840 It does go dormant. 2501 02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:38,000 In the summer. 2502 02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:45,360 Hope I explained that right. No, I think, I think I mean it sounds like kind of what you're saying ultimately is. 2503 02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:48,360 No, I mean, which is fine. I mean, if that's the answer, then that's. 2504 02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:52,120 Yeah. So that that really for if we're looking at soccer fields. 2505 02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:55,040 The umm the. 2506 02:07:55,240 --> 02:07:57,080 Those grasses aren't. 2507 02:07:57,160 --> 02:08:00,040 As aren't a top choice. 2508 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:01,840 Correct. Yeah, I mean, what? 2509 02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:02,600 I. 2510 02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:03,720 Have some? 2511 02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:06,440 Patches of pesky with my backyard and this. 2512 02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:10,880 And I noticed this this part that it does grow in clumps as opposed to a. 2513 02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:13,240 Lawn like you envision. 2514 02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:15,640 Yeah, I mean technician move is what everybody. 2515 02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:18,640 Wants to have in their front yard, in their backyard, because it's just this. 2516 02:08:19,160 --> 02:08:20,320 Silky smooth thing. 2517 02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:22,680 And it is. 2518 02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:26,440 The kind of ambition also for a soccer play field. I mean, I'm. 2519 02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:28,080 I'm intrigued by the. 2520 02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:29,970 Bermuda grass option but. 2521 02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:32,040 It seems to me that. 2522 02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:34,080 Even though it's it's. 2523 02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:36,240 Better on water consumption. 2524 02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:41,640 It's high install cost and high maintenance costs as well for repairing. 2525 02:08:42,040 --> 02:08:43,680 Correct, it doesn't, yes. 2526 02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:45,280 Because you can't just go. 2527 02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:46,480 Find some. 2528 02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:52,240 Bermuda grass seed and throw it out there and have it grow right? And so the patching holes from soccer. 2529 02:08:52,520 --> 02:08:54,840 Fields activity could be a. 2530 02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:56,800 Expensive annual. 2531 02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:58,310 Hub. 2532 02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:00,760 Increase in maintenance. 2533 02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:03,160 Staff and hours it seems like. 2534 02:09:04,720 --> 02:09:06,440 I mean, I agree, Emily, that. 2535 02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:09,960 It's a It's a bummer that the Kentucky Bluegrass is the. 2536 02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:11,640 Water chugger. 2537 02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:13,080 By comparison. 2538 02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:15,840 But I'm also. 2539 02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:20,760 Encouraged, though, by how much water we save relative to our historical. 2540 02:09:21,740 --> 02:09:23,210 Usage when we. 2541 02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:24,240 Upgraded our. 2542 02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:26,560 Our other city parks. I'm hopeful that. 2543 02:09:27,120 --> 02:09:29,040 We'll have just as much celebration by having. 2544 02:09:29,120 --> 02:09:30,040 Quality. Umm. 2545 02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:33,440 Like like as I imagine my Kentucky Bluegrass at Canuteson Park. 2546 02:09:34,490 --> 02:09:36,250 And at City Hall Park. 2547 02:09:38,440 --> 02:09:42,160 And is that fair to say that's what we have in our other? 2548 02:09:42,280 --> 02:09:43,320 Parks and so. 2549 02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:46,040 It would be consistent certainly with our other parks. 2550 02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:47,080 And. 2551 02:09:49,450 --> 02:09:51,650 Now, that being said, there are. 2552 02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:52,960 Newer varieties. 2553 02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:57,200 Of Kentucky bluegrass that are coming onto the market as they improve it. 2554 02:09:57,480 --> 02:09:59,080 That do use. 2555 02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:00,480 Less water than. 2556 02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:02,080 Older varieties, and that's the. 2557 02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:04,640 That's one of the other reasons to go with. 2558 02:10:05,580 --> 02:10:07,770 A new field instead of trying to keep. 2559 02:10:07,880 --> 02:10:09,240 The existing one that's there. 2560 02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:09,720 Right. 2561 02:10:11,320 --> 02:10:13,320 So Ryan. Ryan. 2562 02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:17,760 So, Councilmember Gray, this is these are excellent questions and I think. 2563 02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:19,400 It's fair to say. 2564 02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:25,240 Whatever is in the bridging document, we can update. We can continue researching this with you. 2565 02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:27,160 And I just wanted to under score also that. 2566 02:10:27,240 --> 02:10:28,360 That we've heard this. 2567 02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:32,240 Input from you all along and we're very well aligned with you. 2568 02:10:32,360 --> 02:10:35,720 Just a reminder, we have sought to right size this turf we've. 2569 02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:37,440 This new concept. 2570 02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:43,450 Dramatically removes non functional turfs. We're really only recommending this lawn area. 2571 02:10:43,600 --> 02:10:49,920 Where it's needed for the size of the fields, the plantings you see at the perimeter would be 0 and greatly reduce water use. 2572 02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:52,800 Similarly, that's part of the recommendation as well. 2573 02:10:53,160 --> 02:10:55,120 We don't have a specific calculation but. 2574 02:10:55,200 --> 02:10:55,960 But we know. 2575 02:10:56,360 --> 02:11:00,360 A new, more efficient system with proper spacing and the right heads. 2576 02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:03,700 Is going to be a dramatic savings and water use as well. So so we're very well aligned with you and we can continue working with 2577 02:11:03,700 --> 02:11:06,920 staff to. 2578 02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:08,000 To find it. 2579 02:11:08,080 --> 02:11:10,720 If there are new varieties of Kentucky bluegrass. 2580 02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:14,640 Right, have been tested elsewhere so that you're not learning for the first time. 2581 02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:18,640 You could learn some of those lessons and find some efficiency from from others in the county. 2582 02:11:20,030 --> 02:11:21,270 So thank you for your. 2583 02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:22,680 Consideration of this, it's a. 2584 02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:24,880 I mean, we're all experiencing a summer. 2585 02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:27,160 It's it's such an important issue for us. 2586 02:11:27,240 --> 02:11:29,520 So thanks. 2587 02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:33,000 All right. Did that answer your questions? OK, Thank you. 2588 02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:37,280 All right. So just in terms of irrigation, just some? 2589 02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:40,920 Just some things that I think we've got them in in the bridging document here. 2590 02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:42,400 Is by updating this. 2591 02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:47,610 Your existing irrigation controller can be updated or upgraded. 2592 02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:49,680 To become an actual smart controller. 2593 02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:52,480 Which that in itself will save you. 2594 02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:55,280 Probably 30% water. 2595 02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:58,800 Upfront again, so there's long. 2596 02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:00,610 Long term costs that would. 2597 02:12:00,760 --> 02:12:03,170 This will lower because you'll use less water. 2598 02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:08,600 There's going to be time saving convenience as you go through here. It's going to reduce your repairs. 2599 02:12:08,720 --> 02:12:10,320 Because everything will be new. 2600 02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:12,360 And again, it's our recommendation. 2601 02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:15,040 To retain the irrigation mainline that's there. 2602 02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:17,210 Because it seems to be in good condition. 2603 02:12:17,400 --> 02:12:21,200 To install new valves, laterals, irrigation heads. 2604 02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:25,010 To remove the existing turf to rebalance. 2605 02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:27,400 The existing topsoil and to install the new. 2606 02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:28,920 Turf Song. 2607 02:12:32,620 --> 02:12:33,100 How are you? 2608 02:12:33,600 --> 02:12:36,320 OK. All right, let's go to the next one because now we're going to talk. 2609 02:12:36,400 --> 02:12:37,280 Cost per minute. 2610 02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:40,240 And as Ryan mentioned earlier. 2611 02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:42,040 This is just. 2612 02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:44,480 A opinion. 2613 02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:45,400 Of cost. 2614 02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:50,240 It may come a little bit higher, it may come a little bit lower. So if we can go to the next slide. 2615 02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:56,640 Um, we've broken everything out by basically area in the park. 2616 02:12:57,000 --> 02:12:59,080 So these are the cost of the pavilion. 2617 02:12:59,480 --> 02:13:00,880 And. 2618 02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:04,200 Areas around it where again we're estimating it. 2619 02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:08,880 Basically $330,000 the Plaza has its. 2620 02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:11,000 Own cost associated. 2621 02:13:11,720 --> 02:13:12,480 So when we get. 2622 02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:13,800 Down to the end. 2623 02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:16,600 Their their opinion or posthumous. 2624 02:13:16,720 --> 02:13:19,240 Cost estimators opinion is that it's just. 2625 02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:20,080 Over. 2626 02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:24,120 $8 million for the entire park, and this includes. 2627 02:13:24,360 --> 02:13:26,160 Removing the existing lawn. 2628 02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:29,520 And installing the irrigation system as we've described. 2629 02:13:33,850 --> 02:13:35,290 Any questions? 2630 02:13:37,820 --> 02:13:43,250 OK. All right. So then we're on to our final slide. So moving forward. 2631 02:13:43,960 --> 02:13:45,240 August would be for. 2632 02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:46,560 You as a city. 2633 02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:50,160 To select it delivery method whether that's design. 2634 02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:52,200 Build or design? Build. 2635 02:13:52,760 --> 02:13:52,920 CMGC. 2636 02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:56,240 And then that's up to you. 2637 02:13:56,360 --> 02:13:57,450 To make that decision. 2638 02:13:58,160 --> 02:13:59,760 And then it's. 2639 02:14:00,670 --> 02:14:01,330 Construction. 2640 02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:02,240 Phase after that. 2641 02:14:04,010 --> 02:14:06,330 Regarding the delivery method and kind of. 2642 02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:11,560 Like to have input from John and Jared and staff because this is not correct. 2643 02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:13,920 My area of expertise so. 2644 02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:20,360 And we anticipate we'll do that at either your August 6th or. 2645 02:14:20,440 --> 02:14:22,240 August 20th meeting. Great. 2646 02:14:23,020 --> 02:14:23,420 OK. 2647 02:14:25,320 --> 02:14:26,640 But otherwise we. 2648 02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:27,960 We're still looking at. 2649 02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:29,840 Shovels next spring. 2650 02:14:30,240 --> 02:14:30,880 Unless we have. 2651 02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:32,760 0 snow this winter as well. 2652 02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:34,240 Maybe sooner. 2653 02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:38,160 That is the hope you know, once you pass the budget amendment. 2654 02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:42,960 The plan that Holly highlighted and then we make a decision. 2655 02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:46,080 On delivery method and we can look at. 2656 02:14:46,240 --> 02:14:49,720 We can really start looking at refine timeline, correct? 2657 02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:52,080 But I just want to reconfirm that. 2658 02:14:52,280 --> 02:14:58,960 Uh, no one's hair is on fire with regard to the numbers being discussed relative to our bond issuance and the. 2659 02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:00,840 The cost of our building. 2660 02:15:01,320 --> 02:15:04,640 I know we have the lack of the earmark we were counting on, but then. 2661 02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:08,610 We appear to have discovered some savings on the building. 2662 02:15:09,080 --> 02:15:09,920 And we've. 2663 02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:12,120 Which read up some room for. 2664 02:15:13,070 --> 02:15:13,770 Doing the part. 2665 02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:16,240 Kind of all at once instead of so it. 2666 02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:19,120 No one's hair is gone on fire since our last discussion. 2667 02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:20,400 They're still looking good. 2668 02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:21,520 We are. 2669 02:15:21,640 --> 02:15:26,120 Yeah. And Mayor, I'll just add that we have two pending grant applications as well. 2670 02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:28,080 So we may have more money coming. 2671 02:15:28,160 --> 02:15:29,640 A little more cushion. 2672 02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:30,360 Yes. Umm. 2673 02:15:30,760 --> 02:15:33,160 All right, OK. 2674 02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:34,200 Thank you. That's it. 2675 02:15:34,280 --> 02:15:37,880 Thank you. Thank you for letting us work with you. We've enjoyed the process. 2676 02:15:38,440 --> 02:15:40,640 Gina and Holly and the rest of the committee have been. 2677 02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:41,960 Awesome to work with and. 2678 02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:44,640 Thank you this this latest rendering. 2679 02:15:45,830 --> 02:15:47,750 Just made us all abuzz. 2680 02:15:48,760 --> 02:15:51,040 That's that's Tate so. 2681 02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:53,560 OK, awesome. Thank you. 2682 02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:54,160 Thank you. 2683 02:16:03,650 --> 02:16:04,330 Where's Mike? 2684 02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:05,680 Real. 2685 02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:09,000 Alright, Megan. 2686 02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:11,440 Happy, healthy, thanks for sticking around. 2687 02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:14,560 Indeed. 2688 02:16:19,580 --> 02:16:20,290 Hi friends. 2689 02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:23,120 It's really wonderful to be here today. 2690 02:16:24,040 --> 02:16:27,530 See some familiar faces and some new faces for those of you who don't. 2691 02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:30,600 Who I haven't had an opportunity to meet. My name is. 2692 02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:31,560 Meg Bartley. 2693 02:16:31,680 --> 02:16:37,080 I go, I am Megan Bartley, but I go by Meg because as you know, we have the wonderful Megan Adermann here in the city. 2694 02:16:37,320 --> 02:16:40,400 That just helps to reduce confusion when people are talking about. 2695 02:16:40,920 --> 02:16:42,280 Meg versus Megan. 2696 02:16:43,960 --> 02:16:46,800 And I'm the public health coordinator for the City of Holiday. 2697 02:16:47,440 --> 02:16:49,320 I grew up in holiday. 2698 02:16:49,560 --> 02:16:52,360 So although I don't currently reside in the city a lot my. 2699 02:16:52,480 --> 02:16:53,640 Family does. 2700 02:16:55,160 --> 02:16:59,640 And it's a real privilege for me to serve this community. So thanks. 2701 02:16:59,720 --> 02:17:00,570 So much for having me. 2702 02:17:00,920 --> 02:17:03,240 And today I'm going to talk to you about Happy Healthy Holiday. 2703 02:17:06,300 --> 02:17:06,890 Um, did we miss? 2704 02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:07,480 Slide. 2705 02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:09,760 No. 2706 02:17:12,680 --> 02:17:14,080 OK, so. 2707 02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:18,760 Little bit about how Happy Healthy Holiday got to the place where we are right now. 2708 02:17:20,680 --> 02:17:22,250 It was initially. 2709 02:17:22,480 --> 02:17:27,850 Started as an event, so Happy Healthy Holiday was an event and it was to try and get. 2710 02:17:27,960 --> 02:17:29,480 Members of the community outside. 2711 02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:31,200 Being more active. 2712 02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:32,240 And. 2713 02:17:32,520 --> 02:17:36,280 Linking that to better mental health as well better physical health and mental health. 2714 02:17:36,520 --> 02:17:39,840 Overtime, it turned into a city coalition. 2715 02:17:39,960 --> 02:17:40,680 And, umm. 2716 02:17:42,020 --> 02:17:44,370 Around 2020. 2717 02:17:44,720 --> 02:17:47,840 To the county was. 2718 02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:54,040 Really trying to take some lessons that they learned from COVID about the benefits of. 2719 02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:58,280 Local community LED coalitions. 2720 02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:00,120 And how much those help? 2721 02:18:00,480 --> 02:18:04,600 With the implementation of public and the understanding of like local health needs. 2722 02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:06,640 And policy implementation. 2723 02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:10,610 So they began working with communities that didn't have. 2724 02:18:10,760 --> 02:18:14,280 Coalitions to establish them and started working with holiday. 2725 02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:14,840 And uh. 2726 02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:16,810 Dumped a lot of data on them. 2727 02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:20,440 So they dumped a lot of data on this kind of casual coalition. 2728 02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:22,730 And they didn't really know. 2729 02:18:23,240 --> 02:18:24,840 How to make heads or tails of it? 2730 02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:27,360 And so in 2023, I was hired. 2731 02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:30,800 A little bit about me, I am a. 2732 02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:32,880 Doctoral candidate in. 2733 02:18:33,320 --> 02:18:37,120 The Department of Anthropology at the University of Utah and I study behavioral ecology. 2734 02:18:37,360 --> 02:18:40,000 So I have some expertise. 2735 02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:42,960 And data evaluation and and. 2736 02:18:43,320 --> 02:18:47,640 Analysis and interpretation, particularly when it comes to behavioral data. 2737 02:18:48,960 --> 02:18:50,200 And so they. 2738 02:18:50,360 --> 02:18:52,050 Hired me as an intern. 2739 02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:53,640 To evaluate this local data. 2740 02:18:53,960 --> 02:18:54,840 And then? 2741 02:18:55,560 --> 02:18:56,650 In 2024. 2742 02:18:56,800 --> 02:18:58,160 We were able to secure a grant. 2743 02:18:59,400 --> 02:19:02,440 To formalize. 2744 02:19:03,440 --> 02:19:05,040 A coordinated public health effort. 2745 02:19:05,480 --> 02:19:08,560 And that grant renewal was? 2746 02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:09,920 On. 2747 02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:14,880 Progress in implementation of a evidence based. 2748 02:19:14,960 --> 02:19:19,120 Process. We selected the what's called the Communities that Care process. 2749 02:19:19,520 --> 02:19:25,680 And the framework that we're also using to implement this process is called Asset Based Community Development or ABCD. 2750 02:19:26,720 --> 02:19:28,640 Which means that we build on. 2751 02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:29,880 Community Strength. 2752 02:19:29,960 --> 02:19:34,640 So strengths and assets that are already existing in the community. 2753 02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:37,720 Rather than trying to start something from scratch. 2754 02:19:39,400 --> 02:19:41,320 So we. 2755 02:19:42,400 --> 02:19:45,480 Have met now 2 cycles of grant renewal. 2756 02:19:45,680 --> 02:19:46,360 So we. 2757 02:19:46,440 --> 02:19:49,400 Are just on our third year of this grant funding. 2758 02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:52,200 And we're really proud of. 2759 02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:53,630 So, umm. 2760 02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:56,920 We can go to the next slide. 2761 02:20:00,580 --> 02:20:02,370 John, I think there are two slides. 2762 02:20:03,560 --> 02:20:04,120 Install my. 2763 02:20:05,580 --> 02:20:08,770 Of so if you want to go up, I do think we missed one. 2764 02:20:08,920 --> 02:20:09,840 But it's OK. 2765 02:20:11,050 --> 02:20:11,890 I just wanted to like. 2766 02:20:11,960 --> 02:20:13,690 Give a little shout out about. 2767 02:20:15,080 --> 02:20:17,560 Our coalition members and and who we are. 2768 02:20:18,210 --> 02:20:22,650 So the coalition is comprised of residents. 2769 02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:25,400 Representatives from the Granite School District. 2770 02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:28,960 We work with the Business Advisory Board. 2771 02:20:30,320 --> 02:20:31,400 City leaders. 2772 02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:33,400 So Council Member Durham. 2773 02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:37,520 We're lucky enough to have him involved in our coalition. 2774 02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:40,050 And we also have. 2775 02:20:40,960 --> 02:20:44,920 You know a lot of volunteers who work with us and we work together to. 2776 02:20:45,440 --> 02:20:47,200 Try and build a safer. 2777 02:20:47,320 --> 02:20:48,560 Connected Community. 2778 02:20:50,320 --> 02:20:53,290 Are some of our main priorities are supporting youth and families? 2779 02:20:54,040 --> 02:20:58,520 Supporting mental health and emotional well-being and then healthy choices and. 2780 02:20:58,640 --> 02:20:59,600 Facilitating. 2781 02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:01,040 Connection within the community. 2782 02:21:02,030 --> 02:21:02,730 Thank you. 2783 02:21:03,240 --> 02:21:06,520 I just wanted to give a shout out to those people because they're amazing. 2784 02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:10,880 So when I first was. 2785 02:21:11,160 --> 02:21:12,720 When I first came on the data. 2786 02:21:12,840 --> 02:21:14,240 Initially that. 2787 02:21:14,840 --> 02:21:16,080 Told us that we. 2788 02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:18,600 Wanted to focus our efforts on. 2789 02:21:18,760 --> 02:21:20,280 2 main areas. 2790 02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:24,650 These are still areas of focus for us. So although we. 2791 02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:31,080 Are in developing A strategic plan and I'll talk a little bit about what the youth focused data told us. 2792 02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:33,600 I don't want you to think that these. 2793 02:21:33,960 --> 02:21:35,640 Are no longer priorities for us. 2794 02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:39,600 So opioid related harm specifically? 2795 02:21:41,240 --> 02:21:46,480 Opioid related emergencies, we had a high rate of those as well as opioid related deaths locally. 2796 02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:50,640 And then improving mental health and reducing suicide risk locally. 2797 02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:56,370 You might see a little note there on the bottom that talks about a lag in federal. 2798 02:21:56,480 --> 02:21:57,360 Federal data. 2799 02:21:57,600 --> 02:21:59,640 So some of the shifts that have occurred. 2800 02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:02,440 At a federal level have affected our ability to. 2801 02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:03,520 Have umm. 2802 02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:09,600 Apple to make apples to apples comparisons in the data so we just there is some data that we. 2803 02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:11,520 Just simply have not received yet. 2804 02:22:12,880 --> 02:22:14,840 For 2024-2025. 2805 02:22:15,240 --> 02:22:15,800 So, umm. 2806 02:22:17,240 --> 02:22:20,120 There's typically about a two year lag in data, but. 2807 02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:23,470 We're now about three years behind. 2808 02:22:23,870 --> 02:22:26,190 So I just wanted in some cases. 2809 02:22:26,630 --> 02:22:27,670 More so I just. 2810 02:22:28,670 --> 02:22:30,470 Have to use proxies in some. 2811 02:22:30,550 --> 02:22:32,070 In some circumstances. 2812 02:22:32,230 --> 02:22:33,470 So the next slide. 2813 02:22:34,550 --> 02:22:37,230 When it comes to opioid related ER visits? 2814 02:22:37,550 --> 02:22:40,590 This is a proxy, we don't have the overdose data. 2815 02:22:40,670 --> 02:22:41,550 Specific to our. 2816 02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:42,910 Zip code. 2817 02:22:43,030 --> 02:22:44,550 When we receive data. 2818 02:22:44,750 --> 02:22:48,390 Related to Holiday, you can see it's for the 84117 zip code. 2819 02:22:48,470 --> 02:22:51,200 We don't really have citywide data other than in. 2820 02:22:51,390 --> 02:22:52,270 Census data. 2821 02:22:52,470 --> 02:22:53,310 And that's. 2822 02:22:53,790 --> 02:22:55,750 Specifically the data we haven't received. 2823 02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:56,790 So. 2824 02:22:59,750 --> 02:23:00,950 You can see here. 2825 02:23:01,070 --> 02:23:01,750 That, uh. 2826 02:23:02,490 --> 02:23:03,450 Where the? 2827 02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:05,520 Red trend line. 2828 02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:06,630 That represents. 2829 02:23:06,710 --> 02:23:07,910 County data. 2830 02:23:08,030 --> 02:23:10,030 And then the blue trend line represents. 2831 02:23:11,130 --> 02:23:13,410 US and you can see that. 2832 02:23:13,990 --> 02:23:15,350 Since 2023. 2833 02:23:15,510 --> 02:23:19,870 We're experiencing such a decline at the same time that the county is experiencing a. 2834 02:23:20,870 --> 02:23:22,710 An overall increase. 2835 02:23:23,150 --> 02:23:24,110 And those are. 2836 02:23:24,470 --> 02:23:26,510 Statistically significant distinctions. 2837 02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:30,790 And that really speaks to something happening at a local level. 2838 02:23:31,590 --> 02:23:34,670 I'm still really proud because this was an area of focus for us. 2839 02:23:35,460 --> 02:23:39,320 So the other one that we have been focused on are mental health. 2840 02:23:40,030 --> 02:23:42,310 And suicide prevention related. 2841 02:23:45,110 --> 02:23:45,910 Interventions. 2842 02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:49,360 So you can see here with mental health and ER. 2843 02:23:49,630 --> 02:23:51,830 That there has been a sustained decline. 2844 02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:52,670 And. 2845 02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:55,310 When it comes to rate of decline? 2846 02:23:55,390 --> 02:24:00,640 You can see since 2023, we're experiencing A steeper rate of decline. 2847 02:24:00,790 --> 02:24:03,750 Than they are at a county level so both are declining. 2848 02:24:04,030 --> 02:24:05,950 So we're following the same trend. 2849 02:24:06,350 --> 02:24:07,470 But we're. 2850 02:24:07,750 --> 02:24:08,910 Trending downward. 2851 02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:10,990 Which is the right direction? That's how we want to go. 2852 02:24:11,470 --> 02:24:12,800 At a faster level. 2853 02:24:12,990 --> 02:24:14,270 Than the county wide level. 2854 02:24:14,790 --> 02:24:17,070 So these are all really promising. 2855 02:24:17,870 --> 02:24:19,390 Signals in the data. 2856 02:24:19,590 --> 02:24:21,670 That what we're doing is. 2857 02:24:23,350 --> 02:24:25,190 At best, effective. 2858 02:24:25,550 --> 02:24:26,190 And um. 2859 02:24:27,990 --> 02:24:28,910 At worst for. 2860 02:24:29,070 --> 02:24:32,760 We're not causing any harm, we're not making it go in the wrong direction. 2861 02:24:32,910 --> 02:24:35,550 So this is exactly what we want to be seeing in the data. 2862 02:24:36,670 --> 02:24:38,190 As it mentioned, that is. 2863 02:24:38,310 --> 02:24:40,430 The widest gap in the rate of decline. 2864 02:24:41,380 --> 02:24:45,480 From between US and the county that is on record since they have shifted. 2865 02:24:45,990 --> 02:24:48,430 The ways in which they collect these data. 2866 02:24:48,710 --> 02:24:49,950 So that's something that. 2867 02:24:50,470 --> 02:24:52,760 As someone who looks at this kind of stuff all the time. 2868 02:24:52,870 --> 02:24:54,110 That really spoke to me. 2869 02:24:58,210 --> 02:25:00,040 So this is just some of what we've done. 2870 02:25:00,190 --> 02:25:01,550 Since 2023. 2871 02:25:01,910 --> 02:25:05,710 We had a Dive into Family Fun pool event. This was hosted in collaboration with Parents Empowered. It was also sponsored by 2872 02:25:05,710 --> 02:25:09,510 Parents Empowered So. 2873 02:25:09,870 --> 02:25:11,270 They we wrote. 2874 02:25:11,470 --> 02:25:14,990 And receive grant funding from Parents Empowered. 2875 02:25:15,070 --> 02:25:16,350 To put on this event. 2876 02:25:18,810 --> 02:25:22,680 It was produced in collaboration with. 2877 02:25:23,030 --> 02:25:25,310 The Holiday Lions Recreation Center. 2878 02:25:25,910 --> 02:25:27,070 And we had. 2879 02:25:27,790 --> 02:25:33,870 Opportunities for families to come and take pictures with mermaids with their kids and we served pizza and had games. 2880 02:25:34,350 --> 02:25:36,150 And it was a really fun event. 2881 02:25:37,590 --> 02:25:39,670 Parents empowered, as you may know. 2882 02:25:40,150 --> 02:25:41,270 Helps parents. 2883 02:25:42,990 --> 02:25:44,040 Learn how to. 2884 02:25:44,310 --> 02:25:46,710 Talk to their children about alcohol. 2885 02:25:46,790 --> 02:25:48,190 And underage drinking. 2886 02:25:48,590 --> 02:25:50,830 And have those. 2887 02:25:50,950 --> 02:25:53,110 Conversations in a way that is productive. 2888 02:25:53,790 --> 02:25:57,400 And to help them develop comfort around those kinds of conversations. 2889 02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:59,870 So we've also. 2890 02:26:00,550 --> 02:26:03,630 Worked with emergency preparedness to host blood drives. 2891 02:26:05,240 --> 02:26:07,840 We did exceed our goals. 2892 02:26:08,030 --> 02:26:12,310 In our blood drive and we tried to target times of the year when. 2893 02:26:12,670 --> 02:26:15,800 They are really in need, specifically right after the holidays. 2894 02:26:16,270 --> 02:26:19,270 So that's something that we're really proud of. 2895 02:26:19,990 --> 02:26:22,070 QPR. QPR suicide. 2896 02:26:22,150 --> 02:26:23,280 Prevention Trainings. 2897 02:26:23,790 --> 02:26:25,430 We've done several of these. 2898 02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:26,750 And they've all. 2899 02:26:27,540 --> 02:26:31,080 Been really successful. 2900 02:26:31,390 --> 02:26:34,535 Well attended. We've received really great feedback from the community on those kinds of events, mental health awareness events 2901 02:26:34,535 --> 02:26:37,680 we've worked with. 2902 02:26:37,870 --> 02:26:39,510 Again, emergency preparedness. 2903 02:26:39,710 --> 02:26:41,110 To talk about, you know. 2904 02:26:41,270 --> 02:26:44,110 Mental health awareness during times of distress. 2905 02:26:44,470 --> 02:26:46,070 So, umm. 2906 02:26:46,790 --> 02:26:50,350 For example, if there's a disaster or some kind of life changing event, how that affects your mental health we've also worked 2907 02:26:50,350 --> 02:26:53,910 with. 2908 02:26:54,190 --> 02:26:55,230 The business advisory. 2909 02:26:55,790 --> 02:26:57,950 Board on Mental Health in the Workplace events. 2910 02:26:59,430 --> 02:27:00,990 And we've also done work with. 2911 02:27:01,070 --> 02:27:02,430 The Arts Council on. 2912 02:27:02,830 --> 02:27:03,670 Producing events. 2913 02:27:04,350 --> 02:27:06,550 On mindfulness through art. 2914 02:27:07,030 --> 02:27:08,830 So those have all been. 2915 02:27:08,910 --> 02:27:10,110 Really amazing events. 2916 02:27:10,750 --> 02:27:13,550 We've done a lot of naloxone trainings and distributions. 2917 02:27:14,150 --> 02:27:15,470 And I know. 2918 02:27:15,670 --> 02:27:20,750 Anecdotally, that at least 2 lives have been saved from these specific efforts within our city. 2919 02:27:21,310 --> 02:27:26,270 So that made us feel amazing that naloxone that we distributed. 2920 02:27:26,750 --> 02:27:28,350 As a coalition at our events. 2921 02:27:30,050 --> 02:27:30,800 Um, save lives. 2922 02:27:31,350 --> 02:27:32,550 So that was incredible to hear. 2923 02:27:33,230 --> 02:27:35,680 And then finally we do a lot of. 2924 02:27:36,590 --> 02:27:39,830 Both financial and volunteer support for citywide events. 2925 02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:42,360 And those are great opportunities for us. 2926 02:27:42,430 --> 02:27:45,590 To interact with the community those have been. 2927 02:27:46,030 --> 02:27:49,400 Incredibly successful at getting the word out about happy healthy Holiday. 2928 02:27:49,550 --> 02:27:50,320 And also. 2929 02:27:50,470 --> 02:27:52,870 About what we're doing and upcoming events and initiatives. 2930 02:27:53,750 --> 02:27:54,230 Next one. 2931 02:27:56,980 --> 02:27:57,620 One of our. 2932 02:27:58,430 --> 02:28:00,030 Collaborations that we're really proud of. 2933 02:28:00,310 --> 02:28:00,870 With. 2934 02:28:01,790 --> 02:28:03,560 The Arts Council is. 2935 02:28:03,950 --> 02:28:08,270 That we doubled the capacity for the page to stage program for two years in a row. 2936 02:28:08,550 --> 02:28:09,910 Something I'm very grateful. 2937 02:28:11,750 --> 02:28:13,070 That's wonderful to hear. 2938 02:28:13,150 --> 02:28:14,230 And we? 2939 02:28:14,710 --> 02:28:19,870 Are so happy with this and it's been such a success. We also added in order to. 2940 02:28:20,270 --> 02:28:25,350 Align it with what in prevention we call the social development strategy. So this is a strategy where. 2941 02:28:25,750 --> 02:28:28,080 Youth are provided opportunities. 2942 02:28:28,590 --> 02:28:29,920 To build skills. 2943 02:28:30,270 --> 02:28:31,030 And uh. 2944 02:28:31,710 --> 02:28:32,830 They're given. 2945 02:28:36,070 --> 02:28:36,950 Boundaries. 2946 02:28:37,030 --> 02:28:38,150 And save. 2947 02:28:39,150 --> 02:28:41,750 And information about how about? 2948 02:28:41,830 --> 02:28:45,910 About behavior and how you want to interact with individuals. 2949 02:28:46,110 --> 02:28:46,830 And, umm. 2950 02:28:47,110 --> 02:28:50,070 They are able to. 2951 02:28:50,750 --> 02:28:52,590 Then have that behavior reinforced. 2952 02:28:52,950 --> 02:28:56,190 And this helps them build positive bonds. 2953 02:28:56,310 --> 02:28:57,870 With adults that are. 2954 02:28:58,310 --> 02:29:00,630 Good influences on them, essentially. 2955 02:29:00,750 --> 02:29:01,430 And uh. 2956 02:29:02,030 --> 02:29:09,070 This has been demonstrated time and time again to help youth really want to succeed and find that like inner drive to succeed. 2957 02:29:10,230 --> 02:29:14,350 So, in order to ensure that it aligned with the social development strategy, we added both. 2958 02:29:14,590 --> 02:29:17,990 A reinforcement component, so. 2959 02:29:18,750 --> 02:29:24,560 Personalized like little gifts that kids get to take home with them that really acknowledges something that they contributed. 2960 02:29:24,670 --> 02:29:26,270 To the production. 2961 02:29:26,550 --> 02:29:33,510 And then we also added an evaluation component, so a survey that parents are able to complete about their child's experience. 2962 02:29:34,670 --> 02:29:38,390 And that just helps us ensure that the program is aligned with. 2963 02:29:38,790 --> 02:29:39,470 Our goals. 2964 02:29:40,870 --> 02:29:43,030 Megan, if I can just stand up for one second. 2965 02:29:43,590 --> 02:29:46,680 I think one of the really interesting things that the data has shown is that. 2966 02:29:47,190 --> 02:29:48,870 These events like stage to pay. 2967 02:29:48,990 --> 02:29:49,710 Page and the. 2968 02:29:50,150 --> 02:29:53,070 Summer theatre program and the arts programs. 2969 02:29:54,830 --> 02:29:57,430 Blue Moon, all the kind of community events. 2970 02:29:58,380 --> 02:30:00,820 We sometimes tend to think of them as just kind of these. 2971 02:30:00,910 --> 02:30:01,550 Nice. 2972 02:30:01,710 --> 02:30:02,990 Fringe things that are. 2973 02:30:03,390 --> 02:30:05,430 Good add-ons, but they really have us. 2974 02:30:05,590 --> 02:30:07,270 Public health benefit to them. 2975 02:30:07,630 --> 02:30:10,150 In terms of building connection with people and avoiding. 2976 02:30:10,390 --> 02:30:12,310 Mental health and substance abuse problems. 2977 02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:16,030 Yes, absolutely. And that is true for adults and youth. 2978 02:30:16,150 --> 02:30:16,510 And. 2979 02:30:18,210 --> 02:30:20,090 You've set the stage for stuff of. 2980 02:30:20,550 --> 02:30:22,270 Upcoming so I really appreciate it. 2981 02:30:22,710 --> 02:30:23,310 Thank you. 2982 02:30:25,450 --> 02:30:27,560 So we have conducted. 2983 02:30:27,710 --> 02:30:29,390 Recently over the last. 2984 02:30:30,190 --> 02:30:31,190 Three or four months. 2985 02:30:31,590 --> 02:30:34,030 Along with the data assessment. 2986 02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:40,830 Group, which is kind of a subcommittee and happy healthy holiday. We've conducted a risk and protective factor assessment. 2987 02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:42,590 We used sharp data. 2988 02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:45,750 From 2021 to 2025. 2989 02:30:46,110 --> 02:30:49,110 Are you all familiar with the SHARP surveillance goals? So. 2990 02:30:49,190 --> 02:30:54,550 They use these surveys every other year. SO202120232025 data. 2991 02:30:55,960 --> 02:30:59,000 And from those data we have identified. 2992 02:30:59,310 --> 02:31:00,710 Priority problem behaviors. 2993 02:31:01,190 --> 02:31:02,790 That we would like to. 2994 02:31:02,950 --> 02:31:03,870 Move the needle. 2995 02:31:04,070 --> 02:31:05,350 In the right direction. 2996 02:31:05,470 --> 02:31:07,190 So that includes youth alcohol use. 2997 02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:08,910 Youth marijuana use. 2998 02:31:09,230 --> 02:31:10,720 And academic failure. 2999 02:31:10,830 --> 02:31:12,390 Specifically in the 12th grade. 3000 02:31:13,070 --> 02:31:17,190 This is self reported academic failure, so this might not be actual. 3001 02:31:17,310 --> 02:31:22,350 Academic failure. It can be feelings of failure, but that has an important effect on youth preparedness. 3002 02:31:22,910 --> 02:31:25,790 For future goals. 3003 02:31:25,990 --> 02:31:28,310 Essentially, whether that's college or the workplace. 3004 02:31:28,750 --> 02:31:30,800 It can really have a negative impact on that. 3005 02:31:31,190 --> 02:31:32,870 If they're feeling like a failure. 3006 02:31:33,870 --> 02:31:34,670 Secondly. 3007 02:31:35,070 --> 02:31:37,160 We've identified priority risk factors. 3008 02:31:37,830 --> 02:31:42,670 So in prevention work, you want to reduce risk factors and bolster. 3009 02:31:43,070 --> 02:31:44,200 Protective factors. 3010 02:31:45,400 --> 02:31:48,840 So the risk factors that we want to reduce are. 3011 02:31:49,810 --> 02:31:51,440 Transitions and mobility. 3012 02:31:51,550 --> 02:31:56,270 That's a technical term within the framework that means. 3013 02:31:56,670 --> 02:31:58,910 Times of transition within. 3014 02:32:00,030 --> 02:32:01,190 A youth life. 3015 02:32:01,550 --> 02:32:02,230 So this. 3016 02:32:02,350 --> 02:32:07,430 Doesn't necessarily mean moving, but it also includes moving. It can also mean transitioning. 3017 02:32:07,550 --> 02:32:10,070 Between grades and that's how we're using it here. 3018 02:32:12,250 --> 02:32:13,840 Alcohol risk perception. 3019 02:32:14,190 --> 02:32:16,150 So we'll get into that in a second. 3020 02:32:17,250 --> 02:32:18,640 Home alcohol use. 3021 02:32:19,440 --> 02:32:20,760 Pure marijuana norms. 3022 02:32:21,230 --> 02:32:22,550 And school commitment. 3023 02:32:23,450 --> 02:32:25,080 So those are all risk factors. 3024 02:32:25,190 --> 02:32:25,830 That, umm. 3025 02:32:26,870 --> 02:32:29,710 We're experiencing at a higher rate than the statewide rate. 3026 02:32:30,110 --> 02:32:30,950 I'll show you some of. 3027 02:32:31,030 --> 02:32:32,230 Some data on this in a SEC. 3028 02:32:34,850 --> 02:32:38,080 And then priority protective factors. So these are things. 3029 02:32:38,230 --> 02:32:40,070 That are community strengths and as I said. 3030 02:32:40,750 --> 02:32:41,750 We want to. 3031 02:32:41,870 --> 02:32:43,310 Leverage these assets. 3032 02:32:43,590 --> 02:32:44,790 To help address. 3033 02:32:45,150 --> 02:32:46,710 Some of these problem behaviors. 3034 02:32:47,270 --> 02:32:49,430 And to also reduce some of the risk fact. 3035 02:32:50,390 --> 02:32:51,910 So we have. 3036 02:32:52,110 --> 02:32:54,990 Youth report really strong family ties. 3037 02:32:55,510 --> 02:32:58,630 And really strong community ties. So this speaks to what? 3038 02:32:58,950 --> 02:33:00,750 Councilmember Durham was mentioning. 3039 02:33:01,190 --> 02:33:04,590 That they talk about opportunities for pro social engagement. 3040 02:33:05,350 --> 02:33:07,830 As being really high, higher than you see. 3041 02:33:08,030 --> 02:33:10,030 Kind of statewide in holiday. 3042 02:33:10,150 --> 02:33:12,710 And that helps facilitate those community ties. 3043 02:33:12,830 --> 02:33:15,350 So youth do feel bonded to this community and that's. 3044 02:33:15,430 --> 02:33:18,120 Something that is a really strong protective factor. 3045 02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:23,920 And then as I said, just pro social opportunities, these are all areas where we're doing really well. 3046 02:33:24,970 --> 02:33:26,080 So we can go to the next one. 3047 02:33:28,640 --> 02:33:30,560 So this kind of talks about why. 3048 02:33:31,650 --> 02:33:34,840 We picked these as our problem behaviors that we want to address. 3049 02:33:34,950 --> 02:33:36,670 As well as risk factors. 3050 02:33:37,070 --> 02:33:38,070 So if you can look. 3051 02:33:39,750 --> 02:33:42,630 I don't UN alarm you. Let's start with. 3052 02:33:42,710 --> 02:33:44,910 Drinking alcohol like self reported. 3053 02:33:45,630 --> 02:33:47,990 Students who self reported drinking alcohol in the last. 3054 02:33:48,350 --> 02:33:49,350 30 days. 3055 02:33:49,470 --> 02:33:52,390 So this speaks to habitual use. 3056 02:33:52,790 --> 02:33:55,910 Because they will ask about lifetime use and then they ask about. 3057 02:33:56,070 --> 02:33:57,470 Use in the last 30 days, yeah. 3058 02:33:58,070 --> 02:33:59,390 And typically. 3059 02:33:59,470 --> 02:34:02,890 The way that this is viewed is if they report self report used in the last 30 days then they're very likely to use habitually or 3060 02:34:02,890 --> 02:34:06,310 at least. 3061 02:34:06,670 --> 02:34:07,950 Somewhat often. 3062 02:34:08,190 --> 02:34:08,790 So, umm. 3063 02:34:09,700 --> 02:34:10,960 As you can see. 3064 02:34:11,070 --> 02:34:12,030 Local data. 3065 02:34:12,270 --> 02:34:13,510 2 out of 20. 3066 02:34:14,310 --> 02:34:15,390 High schoolers. 3067 02:34:15,910 --> 02:34:18,230 Report And this is actually 12th graders. 3068 02:34:18,990 --> 02:34:23,030 Report alcohol consumption in the last 30 days. 3069 02:34:23,630 --> 02:34:25,190 Whereas the statewide average. 3070 02:34:25,390 --> 02:34:26,750 Is 1 out of 20. 3071 02:34:27,390 --> 02:34:28,390 So I don't want to like. 3072 02:34:29,590 --> 02:34:31,310 Make you think everyone's drinking. 3073 02:34:31,390 --> 02:34:36,920 18 out of 20 youth do not report drinking in the last 30 days. So just to put this into perspective. 3074 02:34:37,110 --> 02:34:37,790 However. 3075 02:34:38,540 --> 02:34:39,480 It is still. 3076 02:34:39,630 --> 02:34:40,710 Double the state. 3077 02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:43,950 The rate that we see across the state. 3078 02:34:44,310 --> 02:34:45,110 Does that make sense? 3079 02:34:45,470 --> 02:34:48,670 OK, with that in mind, so that you know. 3080 02:34:50,020 --> 02:34:51,660 Now we're moving over to. 3081 02:34:51,870 --> 02:34:53,750 That 10%. 3082 02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:56,910 That have reported self reported drinking in the last. 3083 02:34:57,270 --> 02:34:58,080 30 days. 3084 02:35:01,590 --> 02:35:03,240 6 out of 10. 3085 02:35:03,630 --> 02:35:04,630 So you can see. 3086 02:35:04,750 --> 02:35:06,590 6.5 out of 10. 3087 02:35:07,030 --> 02:35:08,350 Beginning in the. 3088 02:35:09,570 --> 02:35:10,370 8th grade. 3089 02:35:11,250 --> 02:35:12,240 WHO reported. 3090 02:35:13,580 --> 02:35:15,220 Alcohol consumption reported. 3091 02:35:15,550 --> 02:35:16,150 It was. 3092 02:35:16,270 --> 02:35:19,070 Mostly accessed in the home with parental permission. 3093 02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:21,000 And you can see that that's. 3094 02:35:24,350 --> 02:35:28,230 All youth, one student above. 3095 02:35:29,010 --> 02:35:30,120 What we see at a state. 3096 02:35:30,790 --> 02:35:34,070 Level and then we see it spike. 3097 02:35:34,750 --> 02:35:35,790 In the 10th grade. 3098 02:35:37,100 --> 02:35:38,120 And then we see it. 3099 02:35:38,390 --> 02:35:40,870 Come down again in the 12th grade. 3100 02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:45,230 However, it never comes down to where we are in the state level. 3101 02:35:46,380 --> 02:35:50,640 So that spike in the 10th grade is something that we're really interested in addressing. 3102 02:35:50,910 --> 02:35:52,510 And we do see. 3103 02:35:52,790 --> 02:35:54,590 Additionally, kind of a pivot. 3104 02:35:55,070 --> 02:35:56,720 And these problem behaviors. 3105 02:35:57,230 --> 02:35:58,310 In the 10th grade. 3106 02:35:59,790 --> 02:36:02,310 One risk factor that we're interested in addressing. 3107 02:36:02,470 --> 02:36:03,230 So you can. 3108 02:36:03,430 --> 02:36:04,030 Now. 3109 02:36:06,430 --> 02:36:07,910 We can go to the next one. 3110 02:36:10,080 --> 02:36:11,040 Is this? 3111 02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:13,960 As I mentioned this 10th grade pivot. 3112 02:36:14,310 --> 02:36:15,390 So you can see. 3113 02:36:17,690 --> 02:36:20,800 That between 8th and 10th grade. 3114 02:36:21,110 --> 02:36:22,990 There is a 30% decline. 3115 02:36:23,390 --> 02:36:28,750 In students reporting that their parents regularly message no tolerance of drinking. 3116 02:36:29,700 --> 02:36:30,840 Or substance use. 3117 02:36:32,390 --> 02:36:33,830 Between 8th and 10th grade. 3118 02:36:34,110 --> 02:36:39,350 That that decline in messaging is happening at the same time that we see. 3119 02:36:39,950 --> 02:36:41,030 This rising. 3120 02:36:42,150 --> 02:36:42,910 Beginning. 3121 02:36:45,230 --> 02:36:46,230 And then? 3122 02:36:47,980 --> 02:36:49,880 This is a risk ratio on the. 3123 02:36:50,350 --> 02:36:51,950 What's my left side is? 3124 02:36:53,070 --> 02:36:56,110 Academic risk versus the state baseline. 3125 02:36:56,190 --> 02:36:57,640 So what I've done here? 3126 02:36:58,230 --> 02:36:59,030 Is. 3127 02:36:59,150 --> 02:37:00,190 A little stats trick. 3128 02:37:01,470 --> 02:37:06,270 Where I've set the state baseline. This is not to imply that the state baseline is flat at. 3129 02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:08,560 Any level. 3130 02:37:08,750 --> 02:37:09,790 It does move. 3131 02:37:09,910 --> 02:37:11,270 But what I've done is I've. 3132 02:37:11,470 --> 02:37:13,630 Set it at one as a baseline. 3133 02:37:13,710 --> 02:37:16,390 So that you can see how we compare to the state. 3134 02:37:17,270 --> 02:37:20,070 OK, now when it comes to. 3135 02:37:21,650 --> 02:37:22,920 Commitment to school. 3136 02:37:23,630 --> 02:37:24,910 You can see that. 3137 02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:27,680 And this is low commitment to school, so we. 3138 02:37:27,790 --> 02:37:30,230 Do not want it jumping above that baseline. 3139 02:37:30,750 --> 02:37:35,150 OK, this is low commitment to school and academic failure. You can see with low commitment to school. 3140 02:37:35,270 --> 02:37:35,790 That, umm. 3141 02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:37,910 It stays. 3142 02:37:38,030 --> 02:37:42,510 That students are reporting, you know, good commitment to school, better than the state baseline. 3143 02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:44,390 Up until the 10th grade. 3144 02:37:44,590 --> 02:37:48,710 And then after the 10th grade, you see it jump up above the baseline. 3145 02:37:49,270 --> 02:37:52,310 Where the commitment to school, the low commitment to school does. 3146 02:37:52,590 --> 02:37:53,630 Increase umm. 3147 02:37:54,790 --> 02:37:56,230 That is a predictor. 3148 02:37:56,630 --> 02:38:01,270 For self reported academic failure or feelings of academic failure. 3149 02:38:03,150 --> 02:38:09,270 So exactly as you'd predict, you see that trend just absolutely following it that. 3150 02:38:09,350 --> 02:38:11,550 Self-reported academic failure also goes up. 3151 02:38:11,910 --> 02:38:13,430 Between 10th and 12th grade. 3152 02:38:14,500 --> 02:38:16,080 Students are also reporting. 3153 02:38:17,550 --> 02:38:19,350 12th graders are also reporting. 3154 02:38:19,510 --> 02:38:22,470 That they don't feel they're being recognized for their accomplishments. 3155 02:38:22,790 --> 02:38:24,030 And at the same rate. 3156 02:38:24,110 --> 02:38:25,790 That 10th graders and 8th graders are. 3157 02:38:26,390 --> 02:38:29,390 So that's something that we're interested in. 3158 02:38:30,830 --> 02:38:33,230 Looking into how can we ensure? 3159 02:38:33,310 --> 02:38:35,750 That they are feeling recognized for their accomplishments. 3160 02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:37,270 And for their contributions. 3161 02:38:37,990 --> 02:38:39,030 And maintaining that. 3162 02:38:39,390 --> 02:38:41,790 School to go to the. 3163 02:38:41,870 --> 02:38:42,310 Next one. 3164 02:38:45,890 --> 02:38:47,080 We've also conducted. 3165 02:38:47,630 --> 02:38:48,550 Same working group. 3166 02:38:48,910 --> 02:38:50,630 Conducted a resource assessment. 3167 02:38:52,440 --> 02:38:54,400 And our findings. 3168 02:38:54,590 --> 02:38:58,750 Show that there were some gaps in our local resources and our local assets. 3169 02:38:59,230 --> 02:39:03,310 So there were no specific programs that addressed. 3170 02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:05,760 Those periods of transitions. 3171 02:39:05,870 --> 02:39:06,470 For youth. 3172 02:39:07,750 --> 02:39:09,520 And we would like to. 3173 02:39:10,270 --> 02:39:11,670 Work toward building. 3174 02:39:12,350 --> 02:39:17,190 Some programs, so something that I've talked about with Megan Adermann is adding a program. 3175 02:39:17,310 --> 02:39:17,910 That, uh. 3176 02:39:19,070 --> 02:39:22,950 Addresses specifically this kind of forgotten age group, which is. 3177 02:39:23,150 --> 02:39:24,550 You know, in between. 3178 02:39:24,710 --> 02:39:26,150 The ages of like. 3179 02:39:26,230 --> 02:39:28,550 12 Well, like 1112. 3180 02:39:28,630 --> 02:39:31,320 Up until you're about 16, there's just not a lot of. 3181 02:39:31,750 --> 02:39:32,630 Programming. 3182 02:39:33,030 --> 02:39:34,830 Is available to those youth. 3183 02:39:36,190 --> 02:39:37,870 And so we've talked about. 3184 02:39:39,790 --> 02:39:44,230 Providing some kind of a page to stage like experience but for that age group. 3185 02:39:45,350 --> 02:39:47,990 So that's something that we're working on. 3186 02:39:49,790 --> 02:39:51,230 Risk perception norms. 3187 02:39:51,950 --> 02:39:54,510 There are great programs. 3188 02:39:54,630 --> 02:39:58,160 To help with that parental communication. 3189 02:39:58,390 --> 02:39:59,270 Of risk. 3190 02:39:59,390 --> 02:40:02,040 But nothing regarding pure communication. 3191 02:40:02,790 --> 02:40:05,270 Except there is this one program called pop. 3192 02:40:05,470 --> 02:40:06,550 Power of the positive. 3193 02:40:07,270 --> 02:40:10,310 We do see among youth, and this is across the board where. 3194 02:40:10,430 --> 02:40:12,150 We're right aligned with the state in this. 3195 02:40:12,590 --> 02:40:14,150 That youth perceive. 3196 02:40:14,390 --> 02:40:17,840 That more of their peers use substances than actually do. 3197 02:40:18,800 --> 02:40:21,800 And that can help create that reduced perception of risk. 3198 02:40:22,310 --> 02:40:23,510 So even just saying. 3199 02:40:23,990 --> 02:40:24,630 You know. 3200 02:40:25,230 --> 02:40:28,310 90% of youth in our community do not use substances. 3201 02:40:28,510 --> 02:40:31,070 Can be real, like a really powerful message for youth. 3202 02:40:31,190 --> 02:40:31,950 And that's what. 3203 02:40:32,880 --> 02:40:36,760 That's a campaign called The Power of the Positive, and there are grants available for this messaging. 3204 02:40:37,030 --> 02:40:38,790 So that's something we're interested in exploring. 3205 02:40:40,660 --> 02:40:41,680 Home Alcohol. 3206 02:40:41,790 --> 02:40:42,550 Access umm. 3207 02:40:43,950 --> 02:40:46,750 I'll talk a little bit about this on the next slide, but we are. 3208 02:40:47,350 --> 02:40:48,190 In the process of. 3209 02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:50,430 Putting together some focus groups. 3210 02:40:50,830 --> 02:40:53,390 Really, we're calling them community conversations just because it. 3211 02:40:54,400 --> 02:40:55,320 Feels a little nicer. 3212 02:40:56,350 --> 02:40:58,190 And because we are making it a little more. 3213 02:40:58,270 --> 02:40:59,110 More friendly. 3214 02:40:59,980 --> 02:41:00,960 And our interest is? 3215 02:41:01,030 --> 02:41:02,230 Just to understand. 3216 02:41:02,950 --> 02:41:04,230 The like. 3217 02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:06,600 How people are feeling about. 3218 02:41:06,670 --> 02:41:08,430 Talking to their kids about alcohol. 3219 02:41:08,550 --> 02:41:10,110 And how we can better support. 3220 02:41:10,830 --> 02:41:12,070 Those conversations. 3221 02:41:12,390 --> 02:41:15,590 To help increase that messaging at the time we see youth needs at most. 3222 02:41:15,950 --> 02:41:16,790 Youth need it most. 3223 02:41:17,590 --> 02:41:19,240 And then school commitment. 3224 02:41:19,510 --> 02:41:21,440 Like delivery of that message. 3225 02:41:23,390 --> 02:41:25,670 How we can collaborate? 3226 02:41:25,910 --> 02:41:28,720 On as I mentioned previously. 3227 02:41:28,870 --> 02:41:30,230 Ensuring that. 3228 02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:33,030 We are acknowledging. 3229 02:41:33,270 --> 02:41:35,790 High school seniors for their contributions. 3230 02:41:35,950 --> 02:41:36,550 And uh. 3231 02:41:36,870 --> 02:41:38,110 Helping them maintain that. 3232 02:41:38,230 --> 02:41:39,150 School commitment. 3233 02:41:40,510 --> 02:41:41,790 Right through to the end. 3234 02:41:42,790 --> 02:41:44,280 Again, we have really. 3235 02:41:44,390 --> 02:41:46,160 Incredible strengths to leverage. 3236 02:41:46,270 --> 02:41:47,230 Community ties. 3237 02:41:47,750 --> 02:41:49,910 Um, through parks through. 3238 02:41:49,990 --> 02:41:54,510 Our various faiths in our community. 3239 02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:59,350 And our library is an amazing resource. The rec center is an incredible resource. 3240 02:41:59,510 --> 02:42:01,350 And then again, family Ties. 3241 02:42:01,510 --> 02:42:02,990 And connection programs. 3242 02:42:03,070 --> 02:42:04,760 So we do have for example. 3243 02:42:06,310 --> 02:42:08,350 At the Holiday library. 3244 02:42:08,910 --> 02:42:12,270 The Salt Lake County Youth Services is going to be. 3245 02:42:14,270 --> 02:42:16,950 Presenting A5 week course on. 3246 02:42:17,070 --> 02:42:19,310 No, a four week course on strengthening. 3247 02:42:19,670 --> 02:42:20,910 Communication with your kids. 3248 02:42:21,910 --> 02:42:24,270 So how to stay? It's called staying connected to your team. 3249 02:42:25,100 --> 02:42:26,560 So that's coming up in August. 3250 02:42:27,970 --> 02:42:29,360 And we're really excited about. 3251 02:42:29,550 --> 02:42:30,790 Continuing to. 3252 02:42:30,910 --> 02:42:31,790 Provide. 3253 02:42:32,470 --> 02:42:34,590 Those kinds of opportunities for parents to learn. 3254 02:42:35,070 --> 02:42:35,950 And to. 3255 02:42:36,630 --> 02:42:37,870 Collaborate with one another. 3256 02:42:39,260 --> 02:42:40,240 We can go to the last. 3257 02:42:41,660 --> 02:42:42,620 2nd to last slide. 3258 02:42:43,520 --> 02:42:46,600 Yeah. So I kind of already alluded to all this. What's next? 3259 02:42:46,790 --> 02:42:48,910 This just gives you a little bit of a timeline. 3260 02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:51,680 Hosting these parent conversation groups. 3261 02:42:52,430 --> 02:42:55,430 Building partnerships we're already actively working with. 3262 02:42:55,510 --> 02:42:56,110 The. 3263 02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:59,310 Health and Human Services chat campaign. 3264 02:42:59,550 --> 02:43:00,870 This is the campaign about. 3265 02:43:00,950 --> 02:43:03,870 Just creating 10 minutes a day to talk to your kids. 3266 02:43:03,990 --> 02:43:08,880 And the thing I really like about it is that there's great acknowledgement within the campaign about. 3267 02:43:09,070 --> 02:43:10,400 How busy everybody is. 3268 02:43:10,670 --> 02:43:11,950 It sometimes. 3269 02:43:12,630 --> 02:43:14,390 It's like talk to your kids, but it doesn't. 3270 02:43:14,630 --> 02:43:16,710 Have this follow up acknowledgement of like. 3271 02:43:16,910 --> 02:43:23,000 I know you're busy and that that's actually a challenge, so it gives you practical strategies for making that time. 3272 02:43:24,230 --> 02:43:25,830 We're actively working with them. 3273 02:43:26,270 --> 02:43:29,310 And developing that message so that it. 3274 02:43:29,390 --> 02:43:29,990 Really. Uh. 3275 02:43:30,070 --> 02:43:30,990 Is aligned with. 3276 02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:32,030 Holiday umm. 3277 02:43:32,920 --> 02:43:34,400 With our community. 3278 02:43:34,710 --> 02:43:38,270 And then implementing evidence based family programs. 3279 02:43:38,350 --> 02:43:39,270 Like this? 3280 02:43:40,310 --> 02:43:41,110 Upcoming Umm. 3281 02:43:41,550 --> 02:43:44,830 Staying connected to your team. There's also one called Guiding Good Choices. 3282 02:43:44,870 --> 02:43:46,320 That we've done in the past and we'll. 3283 02:43:46,470 --> 02:43:47,150 We'd like to. 3284 02:43:47,430 --> 02:43:48,150 Bring that back. 3285 02:43:48,590 --> 02:43:53,310 And then audit, we want to audit our youth engagement opportunities. 3286 02:43:53,710 --> 02:43:56,270 That the data do suggest are. 3287 02:43:56,910 --> 02:43:59,430 That these opportunities are often merit based. 3288 02:44:00,250 --> 02:44:04,080 And so sometimes the kids that need them the most don't have access to them. 3289 02:44:04,510 --> 02:44:06,510 Because the kids that are struggling in school. 3290 02:44:06,630 --> 02:44:07,190 Who? Umm. 3291 02:44:08,390 --> 02:44:09,470 Could really benefit. 3292 02:44:09,550 --> 02:44:14,160 From continued engagement and continued opportunities for positive social engagement. 3293 02:44:14,270 --> 02:44:17,080 Get them taken away from them right at the time when they need them the most. 3294 02:44:17,430 --> 02:44:20,790 So we want to make sure that there are community opportunities still. 3295 02:44:20,990 --> 02:44:23,470 For those. 3296 02:44:23,790 --> 02:44:25,630 That kind of positive engagement. 3297 02:44:27,560 --> 02:44:31,000 And then we want to align our. 3298 02:44:31,550 --> 02:44:33,590 This is something I'm actively working on as well. 3299 02:44:33,950 --> 02:44:37,950 Is aligning our ongoing programs and initiatives with trauma informed practices. 3300 02:44:38,390 --> 02:44:41,590 And the social development strategy. I would like to see all trauma informed practices and social development strategy run 3301 02:44:41,590 --> 02:44:44,790 through. 3302 02:44:45,150 --> 02:44:47,960 Like just this little undercurrent through everything that we do. 3303 02:44:49,430 --> 02:44:50,350 And then? 3304 02:44:50,990 --> 02:44:52,990 You know, next year we review and we reassess. 3305 02:44:53,960 --> 02:44:56,640 So final. 3306 02:44:56,750 --> 02:45:00,030 Slide, this is just to kind of say that. 3307 02:45:00,110 --> 02:45:01,830 Although this is a young program. 3308 02:45:03,550 --> 02:45:09,040 We've already met our funding renewal milestones and we have really encouraging trends in our data. 3309 02:45:09,430 --> 02:45:10,110 And, umm. 3310 02:45:11,830 --> 02:45:14,350 A really concrete data-driven plan for. 3311 02:45:14,790 --> 02:45:15,710 What's happening next? 3312 02:45:18,990 --> 02:45:20,470 Thank you. Are you are you familiar? 3313 02:45:21,030 --> 02:45:23,190 Something came to my mind when you were talking about. 3314 02:45:24,590 --> 02:45:26,950 Particularly the high schoolers who. 3315 02:45:27,110 --> 02:45:28,510 Who were indicating a? 3316 02:45:30,870 --> 02:45:32,510 Lack of recognition was a. 3317 02:45:33,230 --> 02:45:34,790 Something they ever bummed about? 3318 02:45:36,190 --> 02:45:38,790 I don't know, were you familiar at all with the updates? 3319 02:45:39,030 --> 02:45:40,870 Art program where they had an. 3320 02:45:41,230 --> 02:45:42,510 Art competition for. 3321 02:45:42,670 --> 02:45:44,870 Elementary, junior high and high school. 3322 02:45:46,010 --> 02:45:49,080 And then, you know, the winners were getting pizza parties and. 3323 02:45:49,940 --> 02:45:50,560 Talk about. 3324 02:45:51,860 --> 02:45:52,720 Recognition. 3325 02:45:53,430 --> 02:45:59,230 Because they got pizza parties for their class and so like their whole class went nuts over their classmate. 3326 02:45:59,630 --> 02:46:00,270 Winning. 3327 02:46:00,710 --> 02:46:04,710 There's nothing that says universalist pizza when it comes to teenagers. 3328 02:46:04,830 --> 02:46:11,790 It's so true, actually, at all levels. You know, elementary, junior high and high school, they all went nuts for pizza anyway. 3329 02:46:11,870 --> 02:46:13,110 I don't know if you had any. 3330 02:46:15,000 --> 02:46:17,080 Any fingers into that? 3331 02:46:17,750 --> 02:46:21,110 No, I, I that wasn't on my radar side and it didn't come out in our. 3332 02:46:21,190 --> 02:46:26,430 Resource assessment. So I appreciate you. That happens in the spring. So perhaps you can connect with Chief Ackerman and and if 3333 02:46:26,430 --> 02:46:31,670 there's an opportunity to have a win, win connection there, that would be meaningful. 3334 02:46:32,070 --> 02:46:35,950 For both H3 and upd and their objectives, that would be. 3335 02:46:36,630 --> 02:46:38,030 Oh yeah, and and. 3336 02:46:38,310 --> 02:46:41,790 Big shout out to Chief Ackerman, who's already been attending our meetings. 3337 02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:44,990 And has some plans with us in the future already, so. 3338 02:46:45,310 --> 02:46:47,270 We're very excited to be working with UPD. 3339 02:46:47,390 --> 02:46:49,390 To have continued engagement with UPD. 3340 02:46:50,890 --> 02:46:53,480 Thanks. Any other questions? 3341 02:46:54,780 --> 02:46:58,240 Life's gonna tell you we are restarting our holiday Youth Council. 3342 02:46:59,150 --> 02:47:00,230 I know that. 3343 02:47:00,430 --> 02:47:04,920 And we met Stephanie and I met with them earlier this month and. 3344 02:47:05,030 --> 02:47:07,990 A lot of these things that you were talking about were things that. 3345 02:47:08,070 --> 02:47:11,070 They mentioned they might want to. 3346 02:47:11,190 --> 02:47:14,670 Look at and what they can do and how they can help so. 3347 02:47:15,030 --> 02:47:18,910 We would love to have a member of the youth council involved. 3348 02:47:19,310 --> 02:47:21,870 As a representative and happy healthy holiday. 3349 02:47:21,950 --> 02:47:22,630 And uh. 3350 02:47:22,950 --> 02:47:23,910 We also. 3351 02:47:24,430 --> 02:47:29,030 There are I I try to forward these on to Stephanie because I know that you 2 are collaborating. 3352 02:47:29,190 --> 02:47:32,150 There are so many grant opportunities that are youth focused. 3353 02:47:32,550 --> 02:47:36,070 And it might be strange, but I actually love grant writing. 3354 02:47:36,590 --> 02:47:39,150 And so if I can help with any of that, I would be. 3355 02:47:39,390 --> 02:47:40,790 I would be very happy to. 3356 02:47:41,150 --> 02:47:44,230 We love grants too. Receive them. 3357 02:47:44,390 --> 02:47:47,470 I mean, how great are they? Yeah. And I and I actually like writing it. For me, it's like a a fun little puzzle that I get to 3358 02:47:47,470 --> 02:47:50,550 solve. 3359 02:47:50,750 --> 02:47:52,830 So yeah, how about it? 3360 02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:54,230 Yeah, rights and grants. 3361 02:47:56,770 --> 02:47:58,320 OK. Anyone else? 3362 02:47:59,140 --> 02:47:59,520 Thank you. 3363 02:47:59,670 --> 02:48:01,390 Thanks very much. Thank you very much. 3364 02:48:03,670 --> 02:48:04,350 OK. 3365 02:48:06,810 --> 02:48:10,200 Assuming since Todd bailed that we don't have closed session. 3366 02:48:11,110 --> 02:48:12,710 Any other items of note? 3367 02:48:13,710 --> 02:48:19,710 We, I I missed this when it was on the calendar earlier. I will not be here for the April 6th or excuse me, August 6. 3368 02:48:20,110 --> 02:48:20,630 Meeting. 3369 02:48:21,030 --> 02:48:21,990 I just wanted to clarify. 3370 02:48:22,710 --> 02:48:24,310 Oh yeah, we actually skipped that. 3371 02:48:24,670 --> 02:48:25,310 Item. 3372 02:48:26,550 --> 02:48:28,630 So yeah, next meeting is October 6th and 20th. 3373 02:48:30,040 --> 02:48:32,840 All right. Assuming there's no other business, gosh, what are we going to do? 3374 02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:34,030 Motion to adjourn. 3375 02:48:34,110 --> 02:48:34,590 2nd. 3376 02:48:35,110 --> 02:48:35,870 All in favor. 3377 02:48:36,110 --> 02:48:36,310 Aye. 3378 02:48:38,470 --> 02:48:39,310 We are dreamed.