[0:49] With liberty and justice for all.
[0:55] OK, I.
[0:57] Let's proceed to public comment, but just note that.
[1:03] We have a couple of public hearings, item number 5 and 6 regarding.
[1:09] Rezone another about the.
[1:11] Text amendment. The SDM.
[1:14] So if you're here to comment on those items, I ask you to withhold your comment until we open the public hearings on those
[1:17] particular issues.
[1:22] But other than that, public comment is now open.
[1:26] And predictably.
[1:27] Our favorite librarian.
[1:35] I just want to remind everybody that you have till the end of the month to finish your summer reading.
[1:39] And get your prizes. You do have until the end of August to use your fine labor bill.
[1:44] And I don't want to make it sound like we're not doing awesome things in July and August, because we are. I want you to just.
[1:49] Look up the calendar because it's amazing if you haven't done the duck hunts.
[1:57] And also a change in story times that will be happening at the end of August.
[2:01] At the end of August, we've been doing story time on Mondays and Tuesdays, and at the end of August we've had to have a little
[2:04] schedule change.
[2:06] So we'll be doing Monday and Thursday story times.
[2:09] So we don't want anyone to miss their story time opportunity.
[2:13] And we are partnering.
[2:14] With Salt Lake County Youth Services starting August 4th, they're doing a program.
[2:18] All stay connected with your team.
[2:21] Which is an excellent five week program for parents.
[2:24] Of teens or soon to be teens.
[2:27] But this week I ran across a few statistics that I just thought I'd share as a little change of pace.
[2:32] Every year, the Institute of Museum and Library Services does surveys to compare all of the 9000 public libraries in North America
[2:36] and.
[2:41] What we're up to?
[2:43] As you know, Holiday Library is part of the Salt Lake County Library Services.
[2:47] And in total circulation.
[2:50] Of items.
[2:50] We are the.
[2:52] Ranks library of North.
[2:58] Wow.
[3:04] And when we look at just the physical circulation, just things you can hold in your hand, we are actually the 8 pious.
[3:12] And with kids.
[3:14] Physical items.
[3:15] So those are some kind of amazing numbers. It's.
[3:19] Tax dollars and actually doing great things for the community and it's awesome.
[3:23] And the other the other statistic that I saw there that I really liked is that when we look at total visits to the library.
[3:29] We're 26, which is not at all.
[3:37] Thank you.
[3:38] Congratulations.
[3:42] Anyone else or public comment?
[3:46] OK, seeing none, we'll close public comment.
[3:48] And proceed to item number 3.
[3:59] Thank you, Mayor and Council.
[4:03] As you were probably aware.
[4:08] The department's growth.
[4:20] It's time to have an assistant chief.
[4:22] Traditional.
[4:24] I asked. Just the oil.
[4:28] And what happened next is all the.
[4:36] So I'm here to make it right.
[4:40] So we went through a process about.
[4:43] Mayor Gina.
[5:01] 2.0.
[5:18] So Justin would have been here tonight. He's.
[5:35] No, absolutely.
[6:10] And I'm just extremely honored to be.
[6:12] Honestly, I've worked with every single position with this precinct has to.
[6:27] I want to produce.
[6:41] That's really all I have.
[6:48] There's any question?
[6:59] We we share your confidence.
[7:01] And former Lieutenant and now chief Ackerman.
[7:06] We were Gene and I were so impressed during the interview process. We.
[7:11] Had a high borrow already in terms of our expectations and we were still.
[7:15] Amazed at how?
[7:17] Prepared and.
[7:19] And also how excited.
[7:20] You know, uh.
[7:23] A Chief Ackerman is to take this position.
[7:25] And also recognizing his years and years.
[7:29] Working in holiday.
[7:30] It was a clear choice.
[7:32] We're excited for Justin Hoyle.
[7:35] To be the new assistant chief.
[7:37] And now, just as excited to have.
[7:40] Chief Ackerman is our chief.
[7:42] We won't skip a beat.
[8:01] I double check that mic, Yeah.
[8:05] Testing.
[8:06] OK, there we go.
[8:11] OK. Thank you.
[8:12] Moving on to item 4.
[8:14] Consideration of a appeal over on Hilton from a denial of a conditional use permit.
[8:19] To set this up.
[8:21] I'll do a little pre set up but have Todd do the majority of the setup.
[8:25] So this is an opportunity for us to even though we're.
[8:29] 99% of the time a legislative body this is A1 opportunity where we.
[8:33] Take up our legislative hats and we act as a quasi judicial.
[8:37] Body to hear an appeal.
[8:40] For a decision made by the Planning Commission, so it's not a legislative matter.
[8:45] Where we have a whole lot of discretion.
[8:47] Like we normally do in a legislative matter, the legislation is already in place.
[8:51] This is evaluating the.
[8:55] Proprietor of the.
[8:56] The properness, as it were, of how the Planning Commission.
[9:00] Handled an application within legislation that's already.
[9:03] On the books.
[9:05] So with that, Todd, you want to give us some additional setup?
[9:08] Yeah, thanks, Mayor.
[9:10] Mayor and council members in.
[9:11] In this appeal tonight, Mr. Hilton will have the opportunity to present his appeal to you. He'll present that based on the record
[9:14] of proceedings.
[9:18] Before the Planning Commission. He bears the burden of showing the Planning Commission's denial.
[9:22] Of his conditional use permit.
[9:24] Was done in error.
[9:26] After he makes his presentation, I think we've.
[9:29] Allotted 15 minutes.
[9:31] In this initial presentation, then staff will have the opportunity to present.
[9:35] On the appeal, then, Mr. Hilton will be given one last opportunity to address the council and the Mayor.
[9:41] Regarding anything he heard in the staff presentation and then the matter will be.
[9:44] Submitted to you for a decision.
[9:46] I'm here tonight representing you.
[9:49] As the appellate body.
[9:51] So if there are legal questions that come up during the proceedings, feel free to ask them.
[9:54] You're welcome to ask questions of the presenters, both Mr. Hilton and the city staff.
[10:00] And with that.
[10:01] I'll turn it back to you unless you have other specific questions.
[10:03] Anyone have any questions for Todd before we proceed?
[10:08] So just just to clarify.
[10:11] I saw in the minutes and in the.
[10:13] The recorded meeting.
[10:16] And correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that denial.
[10:21] Was not based on the merits per se, but on the adequacy of the application.
[10:27] And so correct me if I'm wrong, then the.
[10:30] Appeal process What's being appealed is that no, there indeed was enough information.
[10:36] Not only to make a decision, but.
[10:38] An affirmative decision.
[10:41] Um, is that a?
[10:42] That's the that's the way I understand the appeal I'm sure that Mister Hilton can address.
[10:46] Those issues with the council and staff can also.
[10:49] But I think that's a fair reading of the record and the appeal as I see it. Yeah. And being in a.
[10:53] An appeal board.
[10:56] Um, remedying that.
[11:00] Lack of.
[11:02] Completeness in the application really can't be remedied here.
[11:06] Because we.
[11:09] We're not the body that would receive that additional information.
[11:13] That was.
[11:14] According to Planning Commission.
[11:15] Lacking, yeah, Mr. Hilton will have a burden to.
[11:19] To, I guess convince you that there is enough information.
[11:22] There to have a decision made.
[11:24] And that you can make the decision.
[11:26] I thought is there what you would call a standard of review?
[11:30] Yeah, the the.
[11:32] The conditional use permit application is an administrative land use approval.
[11:36] It has to be supported by substantial evidence in the record.
[11:39] The city's.
[11:40] Decision. The Planning Commission decision needs to be supported by substantial evidence in the record.
[11:45] What that means is where they decided essentially the application wasn't.
[11:48] Sufficient enough for them to make a determination.
[11:51] You have to find that from the record before you.
[11:54] And the parties were being asked tonight to essentially.
[11:57] Illuminate that standard in the status of the record for you.
[12:00] So that you can make that decision.
[12:02] Thank you.
[12:04] Also, just before we hand it over to the appellant.
[12:09] You may have noticed in the minutes that the.
[12:13] Specific umm.
[12:14] Motion to deny included.
[12:18] That it was not.
[12:19] Essentially not based on the merits, but because the completeness of the application.
[12:23] The applicant was given an opportunity to.
[12:26] Uh, withdraw.
[12:29] The application to correct.
[12:31] Or enhance the application.
[12:34] The applicant appellant.
[12:37] Didn't take that opportunity.
[12:38] And wish the.
[12:40] Planning Commission to take.
[12:42] As is.
[12:43] So with that.
[12:59] Ron and Melissa Hilton, 2397 E Mary Holiday Rd.
[13:07] So I don't.
[13:08] Plan to take.
[13:09] 15 minutes. Thank you.
[13:11] Pretty busy.
[13:13] Agenda tonight.
[13:16] Really, the sum and substance of our appeal is.
[13:19] Can be found on one page.
[13:22] We were invited to.
[13:24] Draft an appeal narrative.
[13:26] And most of that is pictures, but most of the.
[13:29] The meat of it is on Page 1.
[13:32] So the reason we.
[13:33] I didn't withdraw.
[13:35] The application.
[13:38] And I tried to clarify this with the Planning Commission.
[13:44] I I did.
[13:46] We did eventually withdraw.
[13:47] Part of the.
[13:48] Application.
[13:50] And but it was kind of an all or nothing question.
[13:53] Before the Planning Commission, so we.
[13:55] It wasn't clear that we could withdraw just part of it, but that's what we eventually did.
[14:00] The original application included.
[14:02] Two conditional land uses.
[14:05] Which was a.
[14:07] An antique shop.
[14:09] As a commercial abuse.
[14:10] And an additional dwelling unit on the property.
[14:12] Pretty, you know, behind the historic.
[14:15] Building and then there was also and I'm not sure.
[14:18] If we're supposed to consider these.
[14:21] And there was also a modification.
[14:23] To historic property.
[14:25] And so those were the.
[14:27] Land use and modification.
[14:30] I think the.
[14:31] Land use is the more critical one.
[14:34] You know the rest and everything else is.
[14:36] Agreements contingent on the approval of that.
[14:39] So at this point.
[14:40] Our only the only thing that we're appealing.
[14:44] In terms of land use, is the additional.
[14:46] A unit? Umm.
[14:49] Just for a little historical background and.
[14:54] Mayor Fotheringham may recall this.
[14:57] At one point we were.
[14:59] Seeking a rezone of the property.
[15:03] From R110 to R210.
[15:05] Essentially doubling the density.
[15:08] Umm, and that was not approved at my.
[15:11] Recollections, I believe.
[15:13] Uh, Paul Foddingham was in favor of that.
[15:17] And I think Steve Gunn also, I think it went down.
[15:21] To defeat 42, correct?
[15:23] Yeah, that's my recollection and we accepted that.
[15:26] I we've, you know, been trying to work within that ever since.
[15:30] So what we're proposing now?
[15:33] Is essentially half the density of what that would have been.
[15:36] So a total of.
[15:39] So that there's Holden Park South and north.
[15:43] Or not. This has nothing to do with the north. So Holden Park South.
[15:46] As three lots.
[15:48] 1/2 and 2A.
[15:49] Two way has a restriction on it saying that it has to be combined with an adjacent law.
[15:54] Presumably lot too.
[15:56] Oh, and so are.
[15:58] Our request, our ask is to have that restriction removed so that 1/3.
[16:04] Unit the third.
[16:07] A separately owned home could be built there.
[16:11] And this would.
[16:13] So the historical.
[16:16] Ordinance that we're relying on.
[16:18] Allows for that allows for a higher density up to 16.
[16:22] Units per acre.
[16:23] We're only requesting 1 unit.
[16:25] And which would bring up the total to.
[16:28] 6 units per acre so far, far below what the.
[16:31] Maximum would be allowed.
[16:33] And very consistent. So the.
[16:35] Holden Park N is.
[16:36] Also, 16 is per acre.
[16:39] And as came out when we were talking about the rezone.
[16:43] This property is surrounded by higher density, so there's.
[16:47] Double the density both on the east and on the West.
[16:50] There's uh.
[16:51] For twin homes on the.
[16:55] West and two.
[16:57] Non conforming twin homes on the east.
[16:59] Umm, so.
[17:03] But they.
[17:04] Their grandfathered right? So anyway, we're surrounded by.
[17:06] High density and so I think.
[17:09] The bottom line is our house, I feel, is very modest.
[17:14] Uh, as far as the uh.
[17:16] The reason that.
[17:19] The Planning Commission.
[17:21] Denied.
[17:22] It certainly had to do with the level of detail.
[17:25] I think there was also.
[17:27] Quite a bit of.
[17:28] Public comment and.
[17:30] An e-mail sent.
[17:32] By the neighbors.
[17:33] Concerned with the.
[17:36] The idea of an antique shop.
[17:38] So I don't know how much that might have factored into it, but my perception was that was a big part of it. So we've withdrawn
[17:41] that.
[17:45] And looking over the emails, I actually had not seen the emails until I saw this.
[17:49] Packet because those were those went straight to the Planning Commission, so I never saw them.
[17:53] And reading over them.
[17:55] The only mention I see of anything to do with.
[17:58] The additional Dwelling Unit 1 e-mail said.
[18:01] If the city were to approve.
[18:03] Turning Casper Cottage into a museum.
[18:05] And there ought to only be two homes besides them.
[18:08] Other than that.
[18:10] All the rest of the Commons was against.
[18:12] The antique shops, so we're.
[18:15] That's off the table.
[18:16] Hopefully that's.
[18:18] A moot point now.
[18:20] So basically.
[18:22] Our main ask is.
[18:25] As far as the detail, let me speak to that.
[18:29] It wasn't clear to me that we actually had to provide a lot of detail if all we were asking was.
[18:34] For relaxation of that requirement.
[18:36] That was preventing the.
[18:38] The other unit from being built.
[18:40] That seemed pretty straightforward, just a waiver or whatever the right word is.
[18:44] Of that one sense.
[18:46] Restriction. That's on that lot.
[18:50] Having said that.
[18:51] A year and a half ago we did, in fact.
[18:53] File a building permit.
[18:55] With a fully engineered set of plans site.
[18:59] You know the site plan and everything, so this.
[19:01] That this city has that so as part of this if.
[19:05] If the council approves the waiver of that restriction and allows.
[19:09] The additional unit to be built.
[19:12] Them the staff already housed the plan the the detailed plans of what we would do there.
[19:18] And we would, you know, request that.
[19:21] That wouldn't involve.
[19:22] The Planning Commission or the City Council that would be staffed to.
[19:26] Put the final approval on that.
[19:28] So those details are there because.
[19:29] That's what I'm saying. It didn't come out.
[19:32] You know, as we didn't think it was necessary.
[19:34] As part of the.
[19:37] Historic conditional use but.
[19:39] It's there.
[19:40] So I'm just pointing that out.
[19:42] The other.
[19:43] Issue detail.
[19:45] So that that that was detailed for the additional use.
[19:48] For Casper Cottage itself.
[19:52] I would I would admit that there was.
[19:54] In sufficient detail.
[19:56] This is for the second-half the.
[19:58] The proposed modification.
[20:00] Of the actual.
[20:01] Structure.
[20:03] For that we provided only a an artist rendering of the.
[20:07] What the external appearance would be?
[20:09] And then we'll bring.
[20:10] Very rough.
[20:12] Footprint.
[20:13] Hardly even called floor plan.
[20:16] The reason for that was because.
[20:20] We had proposed the idea that it could possibly be a museum.
[20:24] And so because.
[20:25] We didn't know whether or not that would be approved.
[20:28] And still.
[20:28] Don't know and you know that's still open question.
[20:31] That would affect.
[20:32] The details.
[20:34] Plans and layout.
[20:35] So that was the only reason that.
[20:36] That that detail was.
[20:40] You know, so if you wanted to.
[20:41] Deny that particular part on that basis, I mean.
[20:44] We're hoping that you would approve.
[20:46] Just the the rough.
[20:48] You know the external appearance, so.
[20:50] That we can then.
[20:50] We would then go back to the Planning Commission.
[20:53] With the detailed modifications.
[20:56] With that direction, knowing that.
[20:59] You know that our basic concept is is approved and then we could.
[21:03] Could have that detail. So that's kind of what we're hoping for. But the most important thing is actually the additional use.
[21:08] Because as I explained it here.
[21:10] And the question that the city.
[21:12] Had was.
[21:13] You know how does this additional use support?
[21:15] Support the historic preservation.
[21:18] And basically.
[21:21] Without it.
[21:23] I don't believe that we can preserve Casper Cottage. There's kind of a two-part.
[21:27] Process here you've already approved.
[21:29] The designation and the listing of Casper Cottage is historic.
[21:33] But to make that.
[21:35] Uh, practically and economically feasible.
[21:39] That's why.
[21:40] The holiday ordinance has this long list of conditional uses so that.
[21:44] You can use that.
[21:46] Historic property in a way that.
[21:48] That is sustainable going forward.
[21:51] And so.
[21:53] Without that.
[21:55] Conditional without that additional.
[21:57] Unit being approved.
[21:59] Essentially what would happen is.
[22:01] Two and two AB combined.
[22:05] The Casper cottage would most likely be.
[22:07] Demolished and a much larger home would be built.
[22:10] Which would be.
[22:11] Entirely out of character with the surrounding.
[22:15] Historic Bungalow District.
[22:17] They were trying to.
[22:18] Be compatible with.
[22:20] So it's very much.
[22:22] Related to.
[22:23] Maintaining the historical.
[22:25] Character of the area.
[22:28] Anyway, that's pretty much all I have. Do you have anything?
[22:31] Melissa. Nope.
[22:32] So that's that's essentially what we're asking is.
[22:36] Essentially waiver of that one little.
[22:37] Restrictions so that we can go ahead with our building permit.
[22:40] Build that home.
[22:42] Have the same density as the whole rest of the PUD.
[22:45] Same compatibility with the surrounding Bungalow district.
[22:49] And preserve.
[22:50] The existing historical.
[22:51] That's our goal.
[22:54] OK. And I'd be happy to answer any questions at hand.
[22:57] OK. And we, we may again.
[22:59] Uh, involved.
[23:01] Ask once, I ask a question now.
[23:05] OK, well.
[23:06] Maybe come back to you?
[23:08] OK, staff.
[23:19] Thank you, Mayor. Council staff's presentation tonight is.
[23:23] Will be basically a.
[23:25] Overview of how the application was received and processed and then delivered to the Planning Commission.
[23:31] And the.
[23:33] An additional overview of how the Planning Commission decided.
[23:36] And deliberated over.
[23:38] That is the decision.
[23:42] The applicant RIP.
[23:44] Presented an application to the city's.
[23:48] Technical review committee for a conditional use permit for site modifications.
[23:53] And then additional land uses.
[23:55] That which were allowed by historic preservation ordinance.
[23:59] The TRC's assessment of what's been what would have been proposed met the definition of.
[24:04] Site modification.
[24:05] Of the historic.
[24:07] Designated property.
[24:09] That you can be various things.
[24:12] Demolitions to remodels to roof transitions to landscaping to fencing, et cetera.
[24:17] Those types of modifications.
[24:19] Can be made.
[24:21] Only by the Planning Commission through a conditional use permit.
[24:25] Details were provided to the staff.
[24:28] And then subsequently a staff report was created for the Planning Commission on that aspect.
[24:33] At the time.
[24:35] The assessment of the review of the of the application.
[24:40] There were some questions from staff that were written into the staff report that.
[24:44] Sort of.
[24:45] Alluded to the fact that there could be additional questions that needed to be answered as far as materials of the proper of them
[24:49] that were going to be used before the House.
[24:54] Landscaping.
[24:56] And other items.
[25:00] Our architectural vernacular, that would.
[25:02] Match this idea of.
[25:04] Mimicking.
[25:05] Bungalows in the in the vicinity.
[25:08] On that.
[25:09] Aspect What the plan or the city?
[25:11] Staff was recommending was to at least open the public hearing.
[25:15] Find out the additional information that could be derived.
[25:19] And continue the application to another time.
[25:23] And that was written into the staff report and considered by the Planning Commission.
[25:27] The second aspect were the additional land uses.
[25:30] That to where we're being requested from the property owner.
[25:34] Specifically an additional dwelling unit, which isn't allowed.
[25:38] Type of.
[25:40] Land use which is intended to sustain a historic Preserva historic property.
[25:45] And also an antique shop with a museum component.
[25:50] I won't go into the details of the museum component. I mean the applicant has given you some history on that.
[25:56] The use for the antique shop.
[25:58] As an additional land use, there is some critical criteria that the staff provided the the Planning Commission.
[26:04] On reviewing.
[26:06] As they consider that use.
[26:09] As not very much detail was provided to staff as far as in the application packet is what the antique operate store the operation.
[26:19] Hours, uh.
[26:20] Parking, uh.
[26:21] Landscaping.
[26:23] And all the other elements that would come with a retail.
[26:26] Property, uh.
[26:28] Again, the Staffs.
[26:29] Recommendation was to at least open the public hearing.
[26:33] Find out what the Planning Commission's top Illinois concerns were.
[26:37] And continue the item to another hearing so that the applicant had an opportunity to.
[26:42] Address those concerns.
[26:45] The second component would be the accessory dwelling unit.
[26:50] At this point the.
[26:52] The application for that was.
[26:55] Sort of at a standstill.
[26:57] Mainly because of the conditional use permit, which.
[27:01] Controls the planned unit development that the property is in.
[27:06] The staff report addressed the additional dwelling unit is something that could be asked for.
[27:11] But additional conversation with the applicant and how the the amendment for that conditional use permit would have to have we
[27:16] have that conversation would have to have be had in that.
[27:20] That Planning Commission hearing.
[27:24] So therefore the the planning staff report was forwarded to the Planning Commission and and an opening and their opening of the
[27:28] hearing and deliberation of.
[27:33] Of all the merits of the.
[27:35] Presentation.
[27:36] Were held at.
[27:38] Their April April public hearing.
[27:42] The Planning Commission deliberated in two parts, 1 the site modification and then secondary the land use.
[27:48] Elements for conditional uses.
[27:51] Various conversations from the Planning Commission was held and.
[27:54] Majority of that you have in your minutes.
[27:57] As far as what is the intent of mimicking the bungalows within the area?
[28:04] Quite a bit of conversation was held on.
[28:09] The images that were provided.
[28:12] To the Planning Commission which were in your packet.
[28:16] Being proposed as.
[28:18] Maybe something that could be considered?
[28:20] But they would like to have had quite a bit more detail as to what the materials would be used.
[28:26] Maybe even the window sizes. You know that type of.
[28:29] Those types of details and elements they were trying to.
[28:32] Figure out.
[28:34] While that meeting was taken.
[28:35] Place, and I don't think they really got to that.
[28:38] The end of that point.
[28:40] Because the overarching theme.
[28:42] For at least the Planning Commission at the time, was this land use?
[28:46] Component of an antique store.
[28:48] With this overarching theme of what a museum could possibly be.
[28:53] So the Planning Commission's review of an additional land use is.
[28:57] Primarily to understand how it supports the historic preservation, historic property and to preserve to preserve it.
[29:03] And sustain it in perpetuity.
[29:06] Conversations were held on.
[29:10] The aspects of what?
[29:11] A retail use would be on this site.
[29:14] Everything from parking both on site and off site.
[29:18] Hours of operation.
[29:20] And then other elements of what the remodel of the inside of the space would look like as well, which?
[29:24] They did have a floor plan to review but.
[29:28] As you can see from the minutes of the meeting.
[29:31] Not as much detail as they had really anticipated.
[29:36] That was overarched that theme.
[29:38] Of an architectural.
[29:40] Styling that was missing.
[29:42] As far and then also some missing details on.
[29:46] How that antique store was to be operated as a retail use within a residential neighborhood.
[29:51] Being also sort of.
[29:53] Unclear.
[29:54] Was overshadowed by the idea of.
[29:57] Another additional dwelling unit.
[29:59] And then a museum component which they didn't know what the.
[30:03] That they didn't have the authority to review.
[30:05] Essentially.
[30:07] The and then so then the second part.
[30:11] It was very quickly discussed on the additional dwelling unit.
[30:15] The aspect of that was.
[30:18] Brought up by two commissioners.
[30:20] Specifically, uh.
[30:21] Who questioned as to whether or not?
[30:24] An additional volume. It would violate that conditional use permit for the planned unit development.
[30:29] As you know.
[30:31] Through the your PUD ordinance.
[30:35] Very specific limitations.
[30:37] Are exercised on subdivisions which don't meet minimum.
[30:43] Or the standard development practice for a normal subdivision within a zone.
[30:49] Those specific parameters are.
[30:51] Detailed in a conditional use permit.
[30:54] And that conditional use permit set forth a maximum number of units for this subdivision, both the North and South.
[31:01] And that they were concerned of having that being direct conflict with that conditional use permit.
[31:07] It was explained by legal counsel and staff that if they were comfortable with having an additional dwelling unit there.
[31:14] Which would put them to the 7 units.
[31:17] Rather than 6.
[31:19] Modify.
[31:21] Conditioned by the Planning Commission for a PUD at this site.
[31:25] Then that consideration would have to be brought back to the Planning Commission for an amendment to the PUD.
[31:31] And an amendment to the conditional use permit for that accessory dwelling unit, which would then.
[31:36] Support the historic preservation of the property.
[31:41] At that point that I think the Chair was given the the applicant an opportunity to.
[31:48] Either withdraw that at this application so that it could come back at a different time.
[31:52] With further more information and better detail of drawings.
[31:57] So that.
[31:58] More robust conversation could be had.
[32:01] That that opportunity was denied by the applicant and therefore the Planning Commission decided.
[32:07] At this point, without as much information as they possibly could.
[32:11] A denial of all three.
[32:13] Audits was sufficient.
[32:17] And I think that as far as the staff report and the Planning Commission's determination, that would be.
[32:24] The background of what the application was.
[32:30] I'd be happy to take any other coin here.
[32:33] A couple of questions actually, yeah.
[32:39] Can the?
[32:39] Petitioner or the applicant reapply.
[32:42] Yes. Is there any restriction on the time or anything like that? I believe it would be a year.
[32:47] OK. And.
[32:50] The applicant mentioned the fact that there had been some building plans submitted for the.
[32:55] Some portion of the building.
[32:56] Or something.
[32:58] Does is there any mechanism for how that gets to the Planning Commission or becomes part of the record?
[33:03] No, the building permit that was applied for was on the lot 2A where the.
[33:10] The lot that has the historic property on it currently.
[33:14] The restriction through the PUD for that lot 2A was.
[33:18] For it to be.
[33:19] Either used as common space.
[33:22] And or combined within a budding property.
[33:26] When the applicant submitted the building permit for that lot.
[33:29] The land use.
[33:33] Provision was not in place.
[33:34] For a home to be permitted on that property.
[33:38] And therefore it was denied.
[33:40] Was the was that?
[33:42] Was the documentation for that permit submitted or discussed at the?
[33:45] Public service. The public.
[33:47] The Planning Commission hearing, Excuse me.
[33:51] I can't recall.
[33:57] Thank you.
[33:59] I had, excuse me, I had a few questions.
[34:02] When does the Technical Review Committee or the city have a?
[34:05] Any standard or responsibility to.
[34:08] Certify that an application is.
[34:10] Complete or adequate enough before it goes forward with the Planning Commission or how does that?
[34:15] Work right?
[34:18] So the the TRC reviews specifically the ordinance on what's required to be submitted for a conditional use permit.
[34:24] The materials.
[34:26] Substantially met.
[34:28] Complete application that could be considered.
[34:30] By the the.
[34:31] The Planning Commission itself.
[34:33] A site plan, floor plan, elevations.
[34:36] We're all part of the application, a narrative which described the uses.
[34:40] But conditional use permits are such.
[34:43] They're complicated enough that it does more at sometimes additional information.
[34:49] That is requested through a staff report to the from the Planning Commission so that they.
[34:55] At least have an opportunity to.
[34:57] Understand what the application is as a whole.
[35:00] And then request specific elements to help them make that decision.
[35:05] But at the time for review.
[35:09] It was from the applicant's point of view. It was something that was time of the essence.
[35:15] We believed we had enough information to at least start the conversation.
[35:19] For us, the historic site modification modifying the house's exterior.
[35:23] And architectural elements.
[35:26] How those elements were to be fleshed out to be.
[35:28] More historic.
[35:29] Or in more incompatible with additional bungalows in the area.
[35:34] Really needed the Planning Commission's input.
[35:37] To have that conversation.
[35:39] And especially with the the use of the retail space as an antique store.
[35:45] Needed at least the public comment open to find out what.
[35:49] Potential impacts would be needed to be considered so that conditions could be placed on that.
[35:55] Thanks.
[35:57] I saw a question about this.
[35:58] Modifications.
[36:01] Is I think the property got designated.
[36:03] There's a kind of historic designation in February, maybe.
[36:08] Is it? Is it? It's more of a hypothetical, but.
[36:11] Could the.
[36:14] Appellant made.
[36:15] Before prior to getting the historic designation because they've made these modifications.
[36:19] Yes, and then?
[36:21] Can they still receive a historic designation afterwards?
[36:24] It may be more difficult.
[36:25] Situation because they had made modifications to it.
[36:29] We have run into that before with other houses.
[36:31] In the city.
[36:33] The conversations on those homes take two or three.
[36:37] Planning Commission meetings to work through.
[36:39] Because of the changes that have been decided to be made.
[36:43] To the home proprietor, to historic designation.
[36:45] May detract or sometimes add to.
[36:49] And that conversation usually has to be fleshed out in that public hearing.
[36:56] Had the applicant withdrawn?
[36:57] The application at the.
[36:59] Like the Planning Commission meeting?
[37:01] With the same time restriction have applied or would they have?
[37:06] Began again from their initial problem. I believe it would not.
[37:09] If they were, a withdrawn could have happened.
[37:13] A reassessment or reapplication could be made.
[37:16] And then start the process over again.
[37:18] As soon as the applicant was ready.
[37:20] Yeah, I believe there's an opportunity either.
[37:22] Uh, continue which?
[37:24] Insinuates.
[37:25] To the next meeting.
[37:27] Or table.
[37:28] Tell a specific date.
[37:30] Or withdraw.
[37:31] To a less definite time frame.
[37:34] But then.
[37:34] Resubmit at any time without restriction.
[37:38] And each of those, as I recall, were.
[37:41] Offered but.
[37:42] Refused by the applicant.
[37:43] Appellant, Right.
[37:48] I guess the other thing would be with regard to the.
[37:51] A request for additional information.
[37:54] And then the.
[37:56] Process of offering to.
[37:59] To withdraw or table.
[38:02] Uh, it didn't seem like I I.
[38:07] I had watched the.
[38:08] The Planning Commission meeting.
[38:09] As when the appeal came up.
[38:11] But I.
[38:12] Didn't get a sense and and.
[38:14] That they're.
[38:15] Was any sense that the additional information being requested was?
[38:19] Particularly onerous.
[38:21] Given the context of what was being asked.
[38:23] That didn't seem to be a concern.
[38:26] I didn't recall that.
[38:28] In addition, I believe.
[38:30] Staff and legal counsel.
[38:34] Made an overture to the.
[38:36] The Planning Commission to at least.
[38:38] Consider a continuance.
[38:40] With some specific elements that they were.
[38:43] Wanting to have come back with.
[38:46] That was decided.
[38:47] Was not to be.
[38:48] Considered OK.
[38:54] There's been mention of additional information being needed about the.
[39:00] Antique store.
[39:01] Part of the plan.
[39:03] Which of course the.
[39:05] Has tonight withdrawn?
[39:07] My question is whether?
[39:10] The Planning Commission felt like they needed additional information for the land use piece of it.
[39:16] For the you've mentioned they wanted to build.
[39:19] An Adu on the back of the.
[39:21] Lot that the historic building.
[39:23] Sits on. Was that information lacking as well?
[39:29] Not for that component, not necessarily.
[39:32] They primarily focused on where.
[39:35] The additional onsite parking would be attained.
[39:39] Conversations were had on street.
[39:41] Availability of on street parking.
[39:44] But they were more concerned with.
[39:46] How to get parking off the street?
[39:48] On the site.
[39:49] Without disrupting the homes that would.
[39:51] Behind umm.
[39:52] The proposed antique store.
[39:55] Well then another word 2 motions. There is one about the.
[39:58] Site modification of historic home.
[40:00] And the land use.
[40:02] And both of those motions were essentially.
[40:05] Duplicates you.
[40:06] Good duplicates of each other in that.
[40:08] Both were denied.
[40:09] Due to lack of completeness of the application.
[40:13] So that would apply to both.
[40:15] Pieces.
[40:16] That's how you.
[40:17] They needed more information.
[40:19] On each item separately in order to.
[40:22] Rule on the merits.
[40:23] And didn't feel like they had enough.
[40:25] So it was all one.
[40:27] Application.
[40:28] An application with two pieces to it.
[40:30] OK. Thank you.
[40:34] Is that is that fair to?
[40:36] Fair representation.
[40:37] Right.
[40:41] I have another question.
[40:43] I guess back to the historical designation issue.
[40:46] Like if the client.
[40:47] Or sorry if the applicant.
[40:50] The applet is able to.
[40:52] Resend the OR petition to get the designation and resend to the.
[40:57] Is that correct at any time if they want to?
[41:00] If I understand the question if.
[41:03] Historic designation can be removed from the property upon the request. Yes they can.
[41:07] And would the standard be the same to get for the additional dwelling unit or any adding property with it?
[41:13] Would that be a harder standard or easier standard I guess if it was removed?
[41:20] I'm not sure if it would be an easier standard or would be the same. It would probably be the same process generally.
[41:25] As I understand it, you.
[41:27] You if you get the historic designation.
[41:31] You were then, uh.
[41:33] Extended some additional uses.
[41:36] Um, and so if.
[41:38] Designation removed.
[41:40] The additional uses would also.
[41:42] Come off.
[41:44] So that's there's a trade off.
[41:46] Sure. And.
[41:49] And so, yeah.
[41:51] There there is. You give something to get.
[41:54] Something, uh.
[41:55] Just yeah, I mean, because.
[41:56] We can get into this with.
[41:57] Mr. Hilton, maybe if we need to, but.
[41:59] My understanding.
[42:00] Part of the.
[42:01] His reasoning was.
[42:03] Possibly.
[42:04] Make converting into an antique shop or in a museum.
[42:08] I guess if I guess the museum might still be an issue or still pending as a possibility, but at the antique shop isn't.
[42:14] Anyway, just thinking that then maybe it's not.
[42:17] I mean, I guess if the museum's still a component, then I guess that wouldn't.
[42:20] You know, yeah, I get, I get your point.
[42:23] Yeah, I mean the other thing that.
[42:24] That wasn't really ruled on.
[42:27] Because of the.
[42:28] The Planning Commission thought the impact.
[42:31] Complete information in order to make a.
[42:33] The rule on the merits was that.
[42:36] There's the quest.
[42:37] Of umm.
[42:39] You can have.
[42:41] Additional.
[42:43] Density if you want to call it that. But is that for?
[42:46] The historic building.
[42:48] Or can you then?
[42:51] Add additional buildings.
[42:54] Does that? Is that part of the?
[42:56] The additional uses.
[42:58] Add additional buildings.
[43:00] For those additional uses Or is it?
[43:03] Meant to add those.
[43:05] Uses to the historic building itself.
[43:08] And I think that was something that was.
[43:10] A question in the minds of the Planning Commission, as I.
[43:13] Reviewed the minutes and saw the recording.
[43:16] But they never got.
[43:17] That far to rule on the merits of that because of.
[43:20] They're perceived incompleteness of the application.
[43:23] So both the.
[43:25] The site modifications.
[43:27] And then the additional uses there seem to be.
[43:30] Questions on both of those that were not.
[43:32] Adequately answered in the application.
[43:35] So they didn't get.
[43:36] To rule on the merits, anything in either case.
[43:39] Was my perception.
[43:42] So I just.
[43:43] Clarify So as far as the.
[43:47] Modifications of the historic building.
[43:49] What was?
[43:50] On that piece of the application was.
[43:53] Specifications as far as materials, the size of the windows.
[43:56] It sounds like there was.
[43:58] An idea of.
[44:00] Changing the.
[44:01] Roof structure. So that's my first question is what is what specifically was missing on that? And then as far as?
[44:07] The additional use of having the.
[44:10] Additional building.
[44:11] There were really no plans.
[44:13] Submitted for that building. And so that's essentially what was missing for that piece is that.
[44:17] It might, I'm understanding that correctly. Yeah, for the historic modification for the site.
[44:23] Really, they were. They were trying to understand what we were trying to match.
[44:26] What is? What was the applicant trying to mimic?
[44:29] And then without any examples.
[44:31] To compare it to.
[44:33] And they and plus with all the public comment that was.
[44:37] Coming to them.
[44:38] They didn't really know how to address that. OK.
[44:41] So that was something that they were lacking, that they felt that they needed to have.
[44:46] And then the land use for the additional dwelling unit, yes, there wasn't a site plan that just showed how that would be laid out.
[44:53] How would we interact with the?
[44:55] The antique store.
[44:56] How it was supported?
[44:58] Those types of elements.
[45:00] It sounds like the applicant has that.
[45:02] They just did not submit it as part of this process I mean.
[45:06] That was never submitted.
[45:08] As far as the part of this application.
[45:10] It wasn't in the application OK.
[45:15] Jo John has.
[45:17] Has this idea that coupling?
[45:20] Some sort of?
[45:21] Umm, commercial.
[45:25] Or nonprofit use.
[45:27] With a historic property.
[45:30] As a way of.
[45:32] Preserving the site is a historic.
[45:34] Building.
[45:36] Is that I guess first of all, was that.
[45:39] Discussed.
[45:42] Planning Commission hearing and secondly was is that kind of a recognized?
[45:48] Way of demonstrating.
[45:51] Umm, the intent or?
[45:55] You know, option for preserving an historic site.
[46:01] Umm, I don't believe that they.
[46:03] Really. Discuss.
[46:04] Point. But as far as the ordinance is concerned, that is the intent.
[46:09] And the intent is to use.
[46:11] The findings to.
[46:14] What the historic site is intended to preserve? Was it architectural?
[46:19] Uniqueness.
[46:20] Was it a matter of a?
[46:23] Important individual in the community.
[46:27] Maybe it's a historic artifact.
[46:30] Something that is intended to be.
[46:32] Preserved in perpetuity.
[46:34] And those land uses are intended to ensure the Planning Commission that these land uses.
[46:39] Can be used to bolster.
[46:41] What that that historic property?
[46:43] Was intended to be preserving.
[46:45] And something like a commercial business could be one of those uses. It could.
[46:48] Yeah, Mm-hmm.
[46:51] Yeah, a good example I always use.
[46:54] Anecdote.
[46:55] There's there's a historic.
[46:57] Dairy farm on spread the end of Spring Lane.
[47:01] The old Victorian house that's on that property.
[47:05] We've had conversations with previous owners as to the opportunity of.
[47:09] Assisting and preserving.
[47:11] That home for them.
[47:12] Could possibly be.
[47:14] A small ice cream shop, that would be.
[47:16] Compatible with the dairy use.
[47:19] But it's still a retail.
[47:21] That ties.
[47:23] The historic preservation aspect with what the Houthi use is being used as now.
[47:29] Thank you.
[47:31] And I presume also that.
[47:32] Added or commercial use doesn't.
[47:35] Waive other requirements for that particular.
[47:39] Commercial use like.
[47:40] Health department inspections and.
[47:43] Working at all against none of that gets waves if that would still.
[47:46] The burden upon.
[47:48] Choosing that use in an otherwise residential neighborhood, right? Right.
[47:53] Hypothetically, if they did approve a retail.
[47:55] Use there it would.
[47:57] The the floor plans would still need to comply with building code and then whatever other.
[48:03] Other elements of licensure that would need to be.
[48:06] You obtained right?
[48:14] I'm going to go back to Mr. Hilton then.
[48:16] Anything else OK.
[48:30] A lot of good questions.
[48:35] So, as you may remember, when we.
[48:38] Put this.
[48:39] Designated Casper Cottage as a historic.
[48:42] Building.
[48:43] There was both.
[48:44] The building itself, some unique things about its architecture, you know, kind of.
[48:50] The first.
[48:53] Poured concrete foundation, you know.
[48:57] Kind of some uniqueness about its being this shotgun.
[49:01] Cottage with.
[49:03] With a cross wing that got added later.
[49:06] And the also the historic historic.
[49:08] Significance of the Casper family that we did a lot of research on.
[49:12] Was very interesting.
[49:15] Now basically.
[49:16] This is the oldest.
[49:18] Building that's left in the.
[49:20] Middle of holiday, right? I mean.
[49:23] That's on its original.
[49:25] Foundation, shall we say?
[49:26] Right. I mean, you've got the castle home that.
[49:28] Has been moved to City Hall Park.
[49:30] But.
[49:31] There back in 19, mid 1970s there was the Andrus home.
[49:36] Very similar vintage, similar design.
[49:39] It was built three years earlier and just like a block away.
[49:43] That was demolished.
[49:44] So this this is kind of the last one of its kind.
[49:48] And kind of unique in a lot of ways. So I really.
[49:50] You know, I'm a volunteer on the historic Commission. I'm not a.
[49:53] One of the Commissioners, but I am very involved in.
[49:56] And living in this house.
[49:58] Kind of been.
[49:59] A big part of what's.
[50:00] Gotten me kind of excited about.
[50:03] Historic Preservation.
[50:06] And learning more about, you know, the.
[50:09] The historic district around it.
[50:11] And you know, there's like 20.
[50:14] Other little cottages that I.
[50:16] Hope that if we can preserve this one, maybe that'll set a good precedent for preserving the rest of them.
[50:24] So anyway, as far as the additional, use the.
[50:31] I would.
[50:32] Had one little bit of information so.
[50:36] The staff said that.
[50:38] This would have to go back.
[50:40] To the Planning Commission.
[50:42] And an amendment to the.
[50:45] To the PUD would have to be made.
[50:47] Just a little history there.
[50:50] So we originally.
[50:51] Opposed a PUD with 7.
[50:54] Holmes and.
[50:58] And we had an argument as to why that was.
[51:00] Permissible.
[51:02] An attorney and present all that but anyway.
[51:05] The Planning Commission at that time felt that that was.
[51:09] You know they weren't.
[51:11] Sure that that was a decision they could make.
[51:14] And so on the advice of.
[51:16] Council of the.
[51:18] Uh.
[51:19] Attorney, uh.
[51:21] They they said we are going to prove.
[51:24] The Six.
[51:26] Home Plan.
[51:27] But encourage you to appeal this.
[51:30] To the City Council.
[51:31] And let them decide on whether there could be Seminole.
[51:37] Unfortunately.
[51:39] Not unlike the current situation.
[51:41] Got a little bit sidetracked with some alternative possibilities.
[51:45] You know, like a park and so on.
[51:47] And we ended up.
[51:49] Missing the deadline for that appeal, so.
[51:51] That never came.
[51:52] Before the City Council.
[51:56] So I just mentioned that because I think.
[51:58] I mean, if the Planning Commission at that time thought that this would.
[52:01] Decision that could be.
[52:03] Made by the City Council.
[52:04] I assume that that's still true even though.
[52:08] The underlying facts are different. The ask is exactly the same.
[52:12] So what?
[52:14] But we would ask specifically what we're proposing.
[52:18] I mean, if it's necessary to amend the.
[52:22] PUD. I guess that could be done.
[52:24] I don't really believe it is.
[52:26] We've made similar changes to Holton Park North.
[52:29] We did a long line adjustment.
[52:31] I'll be removed a fire hydrant that was in the plan.
[52:36] We also.
[52:40] The Rocky Mountain Power.
[52:42] An easement for.
[52:43] Public utility.
[52:45] And all that was done with.
[52:47] Just, uh.
[52:48] Recording us a standalone document that said.
[52:51] You know, with maybe a little picture of part of it saying here's this lines moving.
[52:55] Here's this easement.
[52:56] And that's very similar what we're talking about here, right?
[52:59] We're going to just one document that says we're striking this.
[53:02] Restriction on Lot 2A.
[53:05] We're putting in this.
[53:06] So I didn't mention the easement so.
[53:08] We're also proposing and this is not required.
[53:12] Uh, but uh, what we would like to do?
[53:16] Is record.
[53:18] A historic preservation easement to protect.
[53:23] Casper Cottage.
[53:26] Because you know.
[53:28] Possibly a future owner could.
[53:30] Take advantage of whatever.
[53:32] Conditional use got approved, you know, build another house.
[53:35] And then?
[53:36] Say, oh, well, you know, I'm going to tear it down. There's nothing stopping me.
[53:39] So just.
[53:42] I I would feel more comfortable and.
[53:44] More confident if we could, actually.
[53:46] Record a preservation easement.
[53:49] To protect it so.
[53:51] That's kind of.
[53:52] A key part of what I'm saying. So basically just.
[53:58] Record a single document with the.
[54:00] With the county that says.
[54:01] This restriction is being.
[54:04] And this easement is being added.
[54:07] And kind of a quid pro quo, I guess you could say, you know, to make sure it's.
[54:11] Preserved and protected.
[54:12] But also allow.
[54:14] From an economic standpoint and make it doable.
[54:16] Which you know and and.
[54:18] And allow you know.
[54:19] You know the the development that takes place there to be.
[54:23] Compatible in character with the surrounding historic area.
[54:26] So anyway.
[54:27] That's uh.
[54:29] I just wanted to point that out.
[54:31] OK. All right.
[54:32] Thank you.
[54:33] Any other questions?
[54:37] I don't. I don't think I do. If anyone else knows, I.
[54:40] That maybe have some conversation with Todd.
[54:46] I'm just interested in what your thought process was on why you didn't withdraw.
[54:51] Well, because, uh.
[54:54] I.
[54:57] I didn't, you know, like I said.
[55:00] I could see the opposition to the.
[55:02] To the shop.
[55:05] And so I.
[55:06] You know I.
[55:07] Was willing to possibly withdraw that, but it sounded like it was all or nothing.
[55:11] And so that's why I chose not to withdraw.
[55:13] Also because.
[55:14] We're kind of under a.
[55:18] Um, some time constraints here.
[55:19] You know this project is.
[55:21] Kind of been delayed for a long time already.
[55:23] And our builder is anxious to move forward.
[55:27] You know the properties under contract for the builder to buy and.
[55:31] You know, if we can't resolve this.
[55:33] Like I said, most likely outcome.
[55:35] Which I don't want to see, but he'll probably just tear down the.
[55:38] The cottage and build a much bigger house.
[55:41] So we're trying to.
[55:43] Prevent that if we possibly can. We don't have a lot of time to do that.
[55:47] OK. Anyone else?
[55:52] Thank you, Mr. Jones.
[55:55] OK.
[55:57] Maybe just before we do anything else.
[56:00] We can review again.
[56:02] The nature of the decision.
[56:05] And correct me if I'm wrong.
[56:07] But our review isn't.
[56:10] Necessarily to take a second bite at the apple rather, but to review.
[56:15] The apple as it was bitten.
[56:18] As it were, and.
[56:20] And whether or not the Planning Commission.
[56:22] If their decision was.
[56:24] Appropriate or a fit?
[56:26] Denied.
[56:27] The applicant is entitled.
[56:29] Rights. Umm.
[56:33] Anything else?
[56:35] That's pretty much it.
[56:38] There's the question was raised about.
[56:41] The additional unit, the PUD plan that overlays the property.
[56:46] And whether or not the Planning Commission would.
[56:48] Have the authority to do that.
[56:51] A PUD overlay is a legislative approval.
[56:54] It's not a subdivision approval, it's a separate overlay approval that acts more like a zoning ordinance than it does.
[57:00] A particular land use approval.
[57:02] So that would necessarily have to come back to the Council.
[57:06] For its determination at the end of the day.
[57:08] Right, that's the way your ordinances read now.
[57:11] And, umm.
[57:12] The conversation about.
[57:15] Adding the additional.
[57:17] Unit through this.
[57:20] Conditional use process.
[57:24] I I think that's problematic in a number of ways, the way the ordinance reads, the historic preservation ordinance reads.
[57:31] I think it has some legal restriction on it.
[57:34] That would prevent that from being used to override the zoning overlay.
[57:38] That exists on the property.
[57:40] And right now, the zoning overlay wouldn't allow that additional lot.
[57:43] So any more than building a 16 unit apartment building? Yeah.
[57:49] Behind.
[57:50] Correct. Antique store, museum sort of thing. It doesn't.
[57:53] Create a.
[57:54] Wild West situation.
[57:56] Correct and so.
[57:58] That language.
[57:59] In the historic overlay that allows additional uses.
[58:02] Of necessity has to be something that is.
[58:05] Permitted within that PUD plan and would be compliant with the bead and plan in general.
[58:12] That's.
[58:13] The way I look at the ordinance structure.
[58:15] I don't think the Planning Commission got to that point in their deliberations. It looked to me like they were.
[58:20] Short circuited in their mind.
[58:22] By the information that they did not have in front of them.
[58:26] Right, OK.
[58:31] Any comments?
[58:33] Uh.
[58:37] Requests for.
[58:40] The siding tabling.
[58:42] A motion discussive.
[58:49] Look apart. No, go ahead. Well, it looks to me like the the question in front of this is.
[58:56] Whether or not this incomplete application was a sufficient legal standard for.
[59:01] The Planning Commission to deny the application? It sounds like it is.
[59:07] And based on the staff.
[59:09] Court and and even some of what?
[59:11] Mr. Hilton has said that.
[59:12] That they were missing key items.
[59:17] So, so at least how it's looking to me now, like I said, I'm, I'm fine having a discussion about it. It's looking to me like the
[59:22] Planning Commission did operate within the scope of their jurisdiction.
[59:26] To deny the applications.
[59:33] Yeah, yeah. I just, I think I applaud.
[59:35] Hilton's passion for.
[59:37] Preservation and.
[59:39] I just, yeah, I just.
[59:42] Um, I guess I'm.
[59:43] They don't understand like what you know?
[59:45] Yeah, I guess there's an off ramp.
[59:46] Provided to.
[59:47] Amend the application or provide more details and.
[59:51] I just don't know.
[59:53] I guess to understand why that wasn't taken at the time.
[59:56] And uh.
[59:56] Given the.
[59:57] Scope of what we're asked to consider tonight.
[1:00:02] That, you know, we're not and we can't consider.
[1:00:06] Nick is more information or more other issues.
[1:00:10] So that I.
[1:00:12] Sure. Share what? Umm.
[1:00:14] What's Yeah, I guess what's been said already.
[1:00:20] I.
[1:00:21] There's no more.
[1:00:24] So yeah, I.
[1:00:27] I have a difficulty. It seemed like this.
[1:00:31] Appeal was.
[1:00:33] A Hail Mary to.
[1:00:35] A shortcut the process in terms of.
[1:00:39] He needed to happen to ask for a waiver, but that wasn't part of.
[1:00:43] That's not part of the appeal process. Our primary role is to.
[1:00:47] Evaluate.
[1:00:49] The work of the Planning Commission with the actual plan being.
[1:00:53] Context for whether or not the Planning Commission did his job.
[1:00:57] Not to.
[1:00:59] Sit in place of the Planning Commission.
[1:01:01] And with the same information and the same standard, but rather to review their work.
[1:01:07] And they felt.
[1:01:09] And I believe legitimately so that.
[1:01:11] They needed more information.
[1:01:14] Requested more information that.
[1:01:16] Information wasn't.
[1:01:18] Onerous in the context of what's being asked for.
[1:01:22] And opportunity was given to correct.
[1:01:26] And the applicant didn't take that opportunity, but rather rolled the dice.
[1:01:30] Uh, hoping perhaps for.
[1:01:33] Sympathetic.
[1:01:35] On the the project as a whole.
[1:01:38] But that's not our role.
[1:01:40] In my view.
[1:01:41] It's essentially Stew.
[1:01:44] Not take the place of the Planning Commission, but.
[1:01:46] To support what they do not.
[1:01:49] Always to bless what they do, but to make sure that they haven't.
[1:01:52] Gone off the rails with regard to their.
[1:01:54] Their role. That doesn't seem to be the case, I know that.
[1:01:58] On umm.
[1:01:59] Legislative matters.
[1:02:01] We've been known to disagree with the Planning Commission and take another position.
[1:02:05] Of course, this isn't one of those situations. This is a.
[1:02:10] Quasi judicial.
[1:02:11] Scenario.
[1:02:13] Not a legislative matter that was recommended by them, and that's our decision to accept that or change it.
[1:02:19] But rather to say.
[1:02:21] Did you do your job or did you?
[1:02:23] Not and given it.
[1:02:25] They didn't.
[1:02:26] Rule on the merit.
[1:02:28] I think as I reviewed the minutes and also the recorded.
[1:02:33] Meeting, I didn't get the sense that they were.
[1:02:36] Seeking to avoid ruling on the merits.
[1:02:39] They would like to rule on the merits.
[1:02:41] I think they had some questions and concerns.
[1:02:44] Some worries it wasn't going to be a slam dunk.
[1:02:46] But they did want to have that information in my view.
[1:02:49] And without it.
[1:02:53] You know, a slam dunk that they're all going to deny because they all wanted it in.
[1:02:57] Information in order to.
[1:02:59] To give Mr. Hilton a fair.
[1:03:00] Shocked, but without that information, they couldn't do so.
[1:03:04] Oh so.
[1:03:08] I I think this is a heavy lift to.
[1:03:10] Not only ruled that they did have enough information.
[1:03:13] But enough information to then also approve.
[1:03:16] And I don't think it that standards been met.
[1:03:22] Yeah, I, I.
[1:03:23] I echo what's been said I.
[1:03:25] I'm very sympathetic to what Mr. Hilton's trying to accomplish with a Casper cottage. I wish we had.
[1:03:30] Or in the record to work with, but I think.
[1:03:33] If the question in front of us is whether there was.
[1:03:36] A sufficient record for the.
[1:03:39] Planning Commission 2.
[1:03:41] Approve. And the Planning Commission decided there wasn't. I don't.
[1:03:44] I don't think there's been enough presented to overrule that.
[1:03:51] Happy to take a motion.
[1:03:53] Or of any kind.
[1:03:56] Is the chair able to make the motion or is that usually not?
[1:03:59] We do.
[1:04:02] I actually don't know the answer to that. Your rules of order.
[1:04:06] I've seen that. I've saw the Planning Commission where Dennis the chair did that. And so I wondered.
[1:04:11] We don't normally do that, but.
[1:04:12] We'll know next time I'll ask the question.
[1:04:15] Not that I'm anxious to be the one making emotions.
[1:04:18] Mayor, I would move the.
[1:04:19] We vote to deny the appeal of the.
[1:04:23] Planning Commission decision, Casper Cottage.
[1:04:26] Conditional use permit pz.
[1:04:28] 26 One.
[1:04:29] 05.
[1:04:33] OK, we have a motion a second.
[1:04:34] Any discussion of the motion?
[1:04:36] To be clear, this is a motion to deny.
[1:04:39] To deny the appeal.
[1:04:41] And affirm the decision of the Planning Commission.
[1:04:43] OK. All right.
[1:04:45] We have a motion in a second council member Grant.
[1:04:48] Yes, Councilmember Berkman.
[1:04:50] Yes, Councilmember Bradley. Yes.
[1:04:52] Councilmember Durham? Yes. Councilmember Sunwell.
[1:04:55] Yes. And Gerald Wilts, Yes.
[1:04:58] OK. All right.
[1:05:00] Moving on.
[1:05:01] To item number 5.
[1:05:03] Public hearing.
[1:05:04] On proposed.
[1:05:06] Of 4901 S Memory Lane from residential R121.
[1:05:13] To P Do we have a staff uh.
[1:05:16] Intro on this one.
[1:05:26] We'll be patient.
[1:05:56] Thank you, Mayor staff.
[1:05:58] Jonathan Chairlink, Community Economic Development Director.
[1:06:01] Staff presents the recommendation from the Planning Commission for a rezone request.
[1:06:06] Brought to them on their June 16th meeting.
[1:06:10] The request is from.
[1:06:13] The budding.
[1:06:14] Property owners of.
[1:06:15] The Holiday Memorial Cemetery.
[1:06:18] Who has purchased property on?
[1:06:20] A memory lane.
[1:06:21] In attempt to expand their cemetery operations, the zone.
[1:06:26] Of the property that they have acquired.
[1:06:29] Is within the R121 zone, which is strictly.
[1:06:32] Detached residential homes.
[1:06:34] As the primary use.
[1:06:36] The rezone request is to expand the P zone or the public zone.
[1:06:41] To accommodate the expansion of the the cemetery operations.
[1:06:45] Planning Commission reviewed the merits the application upon a public hearing.
[1:06:49] And specifically found that the request to.
[1:06:53] Appropriate.
[1:06:54] For not only complying with the general plan, as public zones are.
[1:06:59] Within neighborhoods they accommodate schools and other types of public quasi public facilities.
[1:07:04] But also and.
[1:07:06] Held a conversation with the property owner.
[1:07:09] As to the intent of their.
[1:07:12] Expanded operations at this site.
[1:07:15] And felt that it was appropriate to forward a recommendation to approve the result from R121 to P.
[1:07:22] At this address.
[1:07:27] My favorite thing about this application was that nobody came to the neighborhood meeting that. I feel like that's never happened.
[1:07:34] Which but I think that.
[1:07:35] Represents uh.
[1:07:36] The neighborhood is fine with it.
[1:07:38] So has there been any indication otherwise?
[1:07:41] In public hearings or otherwise.
[1:07:43] OK.
[1:07:46] Any other questions for John?
[1:07:49] OK, in that case.
[1:07:52] We will open the public hearing.
[1:07:55] On the proposed rezone of 4901 S memory lane from residential R121 to the P zone.
[1:08:01] Are there any?
[1:08:02] In the Chamber who wish to address the Council.
[1:08:05] On this map.
[1:08:10] Don't all jump at once.
[1:08:12] Seeing none, we will close the public hearing.
[1:08:15] And proceed.
[1:08:16] To item number six.
[1:08:18] Public hearing on proposed text amendment to amend the permitted land use table.
[1:08:22] Of the Site Development Master plan.
[1:08:25] Of the Holiday Hills to allow professional services.
[1:08:30] And who's got that one?
[1:08:32] Also John.
[1:08:51] It's like that show you watch for the.
[1:08:53] They're all spinning plates in there, making sure things they don't fall down.
[1:08:59] Also on the.
[1:09:01] June 16th the Planning Commission heard a request for a text amendment within the site Development Master plan. This site
[1:09:06] Development master plan controls all development within the holiday or the.
[1:09:11] The Royal Holiday Hills redevelopment site.
[1:09:14] Specifically under the.
[1:09:17] RMU zone, which is your regional mixed-use development zone.
[1:09:21] The application.
[1:09:22] Was to add an additional land use which was omitted.
[1:09:27] For reasons that the applicant can go into a little more detail.
[1:09:33] And it was discovered upon an application of a new business.
[1:09:37] Within the new.
[1:09:39] What would have been the old Macy's building?
[1:09:41] For our personal service nail salon.
[1:09:45] Personal services within your zoning ordinance.
[1:09:49] Are very distinct from retail uses.
[1:09:52] And they are allowed in your more intense.
[1:09:56] Commercial areas.
[1:09:58] Commercial zones.
[1:10:00] Holiday Crossroads zone.
[1:10:01] For example, and in this list of allowed.
[1:10:06] Primary land uses within.
[1:10:09] The Royal Holiday Hills.
[1:10:10] Personal Services was not in that list.
[1:10:13] So the the applicant request the Planning Commission to review.
[1:10:17] An amendment which adds.
[1:10:20] And you can barely see it.
[1:10:22] It's under.
[1:10:23] There's asterisks under the retail building designation, which is 12345 down from the commercial.
[1:10:30] Does it category?
[1:10:32] And those asterisks.
[1:10:34] To a footnote.
[1:10:36] Which basically says that a retail building can include.
[1:10:40] Personal Services.
[1:10:42] Within that retail.
[1:10:44] The building itself.
[1:10:46] Planning Commission reviewed.
[1:10:48] The all of the uses that are allowed within personal services and in their intent on compatibility with the OR with the RMU zone.
[1:10:58] Their primary concerns were.
[1:11:01] Those uses that may not be.
[1:11:04] Specifically for nail salon.
[1:11:06] That may may be incompatible with retail spaces within the Royal Holiday Hills site.
[1:11:12] However, the applicant.
[1:11:15] Having control over what tenants could be in there.
[1:11:17] Would be the the.
[1:11:19] Primary.
[1:11:21] Determined on what type of business.
[1:11:24] Placed in those buildings.
[1:11:27] That was their primary concern.
[1:11:29] And the City Council can have that conversation with the applicant as well.
[1:11:33] However, uh.
[1:11:34] They did make it. They did forward a recommendation to approve.
[1:11:37] An amendment to the SDMP to include personal services.
[1:11:41] Within the.
[1:11:43] Royal Holy Hill site.
[1:11:44] As a primary land use.
[1:11:47] Is there a difference between?
[1:11:48] Personal services and professional services as its.
[1:11:52] There are OK, so.
[1:11:54] Person professionals with services would be.
[1:11:59] Architectural offices, Law Offices, Personal services is where you have a specific license to interact and in touch with an
[1:12:03] individual.
[1:12:08] OK, in the agenda says to allow professional services.
[1:12:11] This land use table is saying personal services.
[1:12:14] So what are we deciding on the day?
[1:12:16] Personal Services.
[1:12:17] Personal. So the agenda.
[1:12:19] Is incorrect Incorrect.
[1:12:21] OK. And so then?
[1:12:24] Um.
[1:12:28] So this is the. Is this presumed that?
[1:12:30] The city would normally be more.
[1:12:34] Flexible on this then the uh.
[1:12:37] The applicant.
[1:12:39] And so.
[1:12:40] We would be relying.
[1:12:42] And that.
[1:12:46] That we would allow more than.
[1:12:48] If it were our decision then.
[1:12:50] Than the applicant would.
[1:12:51] And so.
[1:12:53] It's like, you know?
[1:12:54] We're the big circle and he's a small circle, and that's as long as his small circles inside our big.
[1:12:58] It's OK.
[1:12:59] Or do we want to?
[1:13:02] Expound on.
[1:13:03] What really what our role is and what.
[1:13:06] Because we have to.
[1:13:07] Consider the full scope of personal services.
[1:13:10] Regardless of the subset.
[1:13:12] That's good mate, because it's the full scope within this site. It's not.
[1:13:17] For other areas throughout the city, right, Yeah, we're just talking personal services are allowed in some of your commercial
[1:13:21] areas and that's a wide range of of services, yeah.
[1:13:26] That conversation was had with the applicant.
[1:13:28] And the applicant may give an gave an answer of. Well we.
[1:13:31] We can decide who we.
[1:13:33] We would like to have in that site.
[1:13:35] As tenants and who we can omit.
[1:13:38] As a city, I couldn't do that if an application were to come to me.
[1:13:42] For a use that.
[1:13:43] It would not be something that the property owner would like to have in that spot.
[1:13:48] I could not deny it.
[1:13:53] OK.
[1:14:07] OK. Or are you are we?
[1:14:08] Todd, just to address the discrepancy between the public hearing notice that went out in the agenda.
[1:14:14] My recommendation tonight would be that you leave the public hearing open.
[1:14:17] Until next week.
[1:14:19] And allow people to see a corrected agenda with the.
[1:14:22] Correct notation.
[1:14:24] Of the proposed change.
[1:14:26] And then if anybody is desiring to speak on that based on the agenda, they can.
[1:14:30] Obviously your public hearing notices that went.
[1:14:32] Were correct, so.
[1:14:34] We're just addressing that little inconsistency.
[1:14:37] Gotcha. Public hearing open.
[1:14:43] All right.
[1:14:43] Hearing from the applicant on this one.
[1:14:47] Yeah, during public comment.
[1:14:49] Regarding SO.
[1:14:55] Good evening Steve Peterson of 6147 S Vernesco Holiday, Utah.
[1:15:03] Holiday city ordinances.
[1:15:06] Zoning ordinances.
[1:15:07] Section 13.
[1:15:10] Dial 040.
[1:15:12] It defines personal services.
[1:15:15] And it excludes umm.
[1:15:19] Uh, body art, tattooing or sexual oriented businesses so it excludes.
[1:15:24] Just go to certain amounts, but it allows.
[1:15:26] Things such as nail salons, hair salons.
[1:15:28] Day Spa.
[1:15:30] And massage therapy.
[1:15:34] Historically, the SDMP.
[1:15:36] Was uh.
[1:15:37] Entered into in 2007.
[1:15:41] As my understanding the holiday.
[1:15:43] Did a.
[1:15:44] On the rewrite on the.
[1:15:46] Zoning code in 2012.
[1:15:48] In 2007.
[1:15:51] It's my understanding that they have commercial retail office.
[1:15:55] Residential.
[1:15:56] But in.
[1:15:57] Retail. It didn't specify.
[1:15:59] Specifically.
[1:16:01] Subsets.
[1:16:02] So what we wanted?
[1:16:04] What we're asking for is just clarification that.
[1:16:06] You know, we're grandfathered in and the subset.
[1:16:09] Of personal services included in.
[1:16:12] The SDMP is part of our.
[1:16:14] And time was pre.
[1:16:16] The change of the code within the city.
[1:16:22] Thank you.
[1:16:24] Any questions for Steve?
[1:16:27] The praise people.
[1:16:29] Thank you. Thank you.
[1:16:32] All right, so we'll go ahead and.
[1:16:34] Open the public hearing.
[1:16:37] On item number six, proposed text amendment to amend permitted land use table for the STMP.
[1:16:43] To allow.
[1:16:44] Personal Services.
[1:16:47] Public hearing is now open.
[1:16:49] Anyone in the?
[1:16:50] Chamber wished to address.
[1:16:51] The Council on this matter.
[1:17:02] A mayor council I was just checking the official public notice on Utah Gov And under agenda item.
[1:17:08] Five, it does state.
[1:17:10] Use table of the SDMP to allow professional services.
[1:17:13] I would just.
[1:17:14] Request clarification if that notice.
[1:17:17] Is still intact or if it.
[1:17:20] Just because it was on.
[1:17:22] Uh, correct PDF on the city site or which public notices the one that's definitive?
[1:17:27] Thank you.
[1:17:28] Thank you.
[1:17:35] Yeah, it looks like we've addressed that matter, which will.
[1:17:37] Leave the public hearing open.
[1:17:41] Presumably, umm.
[1:17:42] In order to address that.
[1:17:43] Discrepancy.
[1:17:46] Anyone else whispered as the counsel on this matter?
[1:17:50] Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing.
[1:17:53] Leave it open, I'm sorry.
[1:17:54] I just said beer though.
[1:17:57] Creature of habit.
[1:17:59] We will not close the public hearing. Thank you very much.
[1:18:02] In order to remedy the.
[1:18:04] The labeling problem.
[1:18:07] OK. Moving on. Thank you.
[1:18:09] Moving on to item number 7, consideration of resolution adopting policies relating to maintenance and repair of public sidewalks.
[1:18:16] As I recall, this was part of a work session earlier, but were there any?
[1:18:20] Uh, questions or review or?
[1:18:24] You want to talk to us about this one before we?
[1:18:28] Sure. I am happy to briefly review the reasons for this sidewalk management policy.
[1:18:35] Our insurer has suggested to us that it would be a good idea to kind of outline priorities.
[1:18:43] For sidewalk maintenance. And so that's what this policy is doing. We have more frequent inspections.
[1:18:52] In high traffic areas like the village.
[1:18:55] Areas around schools, transit stops.
[1:18:59] And in parks.
[1:19:01] And in residential neighborhoods, we have a timeline that is every two to three years of review.
[1:19:10] We'll also be using a.
[1:19:12] Priority system to determine.
[1:19:15] What where action needs to be taken immediately?
[1:19:18] And where we can.
[1:19:22] Depending on resources, make improvements.
[1:19:26] Depending on the severity of the issue.
[1:19:32] OK, questions, comments.
[1:19:37] Mr. Mayor, Motion to approve Resolution 2026-21 adopting policies relating to the maintenance and repair of public sidewalks.
[1:19:43] Second, OK, we have a motion a second.
[1:19:46] Councillor Green.
[1:19:47] Yes, Councilmember Quinn.
[1:19:49] Councilmember Bradley, Yes.
[1:19:51] Councilmember Durham? Yes. Councilmember Wall.
[1:19:53] Yes. And chair boats, yes.
[1:19:54] Thank you.
[1:19:57] All right.
[1:19:59] Moving on to item 8.
[1:20:03] Resolution to proven amendment with Salt Lake County relating to funding for development of community centered health programming.
[1:20:10] Who's got that one?
[1:20:18] Hello Council, this is a good news resolution. We have received our third round of funding for our public health program.
[1:20:25] And this is a credit much to our Happy Healthy Holiday Coalition as well as Mcbartley.
[1:20:30] So what this provides is another year of funding. It's about 105,000 ish dollars.
[1:20:35] And the total for the three years?
[1:20:37] Come up just over $300,000.
[1:20:40] So this.
[1:20:41] Is just an addendum to the agreement we have with Salt Lake County. The county has been a fantastic partner.
[1:20:47] On this program and continues to really help Holiday as we implement our first round of the CTC framework.
[1:20:52] There any questions?
[1:20:53] Is this related at all to the?
[1:20:56] Healthy Utah redesignation or is that a different?
[1:20:59] It's different. So that's at the state level and we're in the process of reapplying for that, OK.
[1:21:04] Yeah. So this is a renewal though of something. This is the renewal country.
[1:21:09] So this is the money we use to hire Mcbartley. So we created the part time public health coordinator position.
[1:21:15] As well as kick off our official CTC process.
[1:21:20] Great. OK.
[1:21:21] Thanks.
[1:21:23] Comments. Questions.
[1:21:25] Or motions.
[1:21:28] Your fathering him. I move adoption of Resolution 2026-22.
[1:21:33] Approving an amendment to the agreement with Salt Lake County relating to funding for the development of community centered health
[1:21:36] programming.
[1:21:40] 2nd.
[1:21:40] There we have a motion, a second.
[1:21:42] Councilmember Gray.
[1:21:43] Yes, Councilmember Quinn.
[1:21:44] Yes, Councilmember Bradley.
[1:21:46] Yes, Councilmember Durham. Yes, Councilmember Sundwall.
[1:21:48] Yes, in Chairwoods, yes.
[1:21:50] Thank you.
[1:21:52] Moving on to the consent agenda, minutes from.
[1:21:56] May and June dates.
[1:21:58] Any comments?
[1:21:59] Corrections.
[1:22:01] Concerns.
[1:22:04] Or motions.
[1:22:05] Mr. Mayor, I motion. We approve the minutes from May 7th, May 14th, May 21st, June 4th, and June 11th, 2026.
[1:22:12] 2nd I have a motion to second all in favor.
[1:22:15] Aye, any opposed?
[1:22:17] Thank you. Consenting has approved.
[1:22:19] Moving on to the city manager report.
[1:22:28] Well, welcome back.
[1:22:30] It's been 5 weeks since your last meeting.
[1:22:33] I know you all have been busy working in your districts on behalf of your constituents.
[1:22:39] And we here at City Hall have been doing the same sorts of things.
[1:22:44] We've had lots of arts programming, which I'm sure you'll hear about from Council Member Bradley in that interim period.
[1:22:51] As well as a great 4th of July event.
[1:22:56] One thing that I wanted to mention to the Council is that you approve funding for a community survey for this fiscal year in
[1:23:03] talking with our consultant at Y2 Analytics.
[1:23:11] We're thinking that will.
[1:23:13] To that this survey in the September, October time frame.
[1:23:19] Hoping to catch a window of.
[1:23:22] Interest from our residents.
[1:23:25] After school starts and before the holidays.
[1:23:28] So hopefully you'll.
[1:23:31] See a survey to review at your August 20th.
[1:23:35] Agenda.
[1:23:37] Work session meeting. Sorry.
[1:23:40] In conversations that I've had with the mayor, I know that he is interested in some specific.
[1:23:46] Questions about fireworks, particularly our own.
[1:23:50] Fireworks display or a drone show?
[1:23:54] I am wondering if there are other questions or topics, large topics like that in addition to.
[1:24:02] Are kind of standard questions about the future of the city and how it's developing.
[1:24:06] Anyone is interested in?
[1:24:09] I don't mean to put you on the spot right now, but if you have time in the next 10 days or so and you can think of those topics
[1:24:13] that you might be interested in that we could work in.
[1:24:18] Please let me know and.
[1:24:19] Hopefully we'll have a draft for you to.
[1:24:21] On the 20.
[1:24:22] Access the typical survey we send out.
[1:24:26] We do.
[1:24:28] Those are available on our website. I can also send you more.
[1:24:32] Detailed information if you'd like.
[1:24:41] I do have a number of.
[1:24:42] Updates about grants.
[1:24:44] And I will start with the good news.
[1:24:47] The Transportation Commission at the state level did approve funding for the.
[1:24:51] First phase of the I215 trail.
[1:24:55] Project in District 5.
[1:24:58] If you'll remember, this one is funded entirely by state dollars and no match is required.
[1:25:04] And we're not.
[1:25:06] We won't be managing that directly. UDOT will be managing it.
[1:25:11] So we anticipate.
[1:25:13] We that will start soon, we'll have a lot of opportunity for input.
[1:25:18] And.
[1:25:19] We may need to think about some funding for.
[1:25:24] To the trail as well. Things that we know are a priority for our residents.
[1:25:28] But good news in that.
[1:25:31] That project can.
[1:25:33] Get underway soon.
[1:25:37] Less great news on the BUILD Grant Fund. This is 1. You may remember it was a large source of federal funding for transportation
[1:25:41] projects.
[1:25:47] And we were applying to help fill in our funding.
[1:25:52] Delta for Highland Drive.
[1:25:55] We did hear back in the last couple of weeks and we were unsuccessful in receiving that grant.
[1:26:01] This is a really competitive grant.
[1:26:03] Project program and we knew we were going to.
[1:26:08] Likely have to apply a couple of times.
[1:26:11] So I think our intention.
[1:26:13] Unless we hear otherwise from the agency as they provide us with some feedback, is that we'll reapply hoping.
[1:26:22] Again, to get a little bit more funding to close that.
[1:26:25] That gap.
[1:26:27] Um.
[1:26:30] We have.
[1:26:32] An opportunity to apply for a grant that is funded by the State Historical Preservation Office.
[1:26:42] And this is a grant that the Historical Commission is proposing we apply for.
[1:26:48] It would provide funding to conduct a reconnaissance level survey or an RL.
[1:26:56] Tests of between 800 and.
[1:27:00] 1000 sites within.
[1:27:02] A defined area within the city.
[1:27:04] We would survey as many sites as possible.
[1:27:08] And.
[1:27:11] It does require.
[1:27:12] A 50% match. So if we were.
[1:27:15] Applying for $15,000 in grant funding.
[1:27:19] We would need to match that at $15,000.
[1:27:23] We would hire a qualified consultant to conduct that bar.
[1:27:29] I think the Historical Commission feels like it would help.
[1:27:33] Them fulfill its purpose of identifying holidays, historic and cultural resources.
[1:27:39] And would also provide a foundation for targeted outreach and their education efforts.
[1:27:44] Because it.
[1:27:45] Is such a large match.
[1:27:49] I am curious.
[1:27:50] About the Council's.
[1:27:54] About your feelings about.
[1:27:56] Committing that level of funding, were we successful? I think, Holly, thanks.
[1:28:01] We would likely be successful.
[1:28:07] What? What would the?
[1:28:09] Dollar amount B Do we know $15,000 Oh 15,000?
[1:28:17] For those.
[1:28:18] I think there are several of us that were at the.
[1:28:21] Speaker series in May.
[1:28:22] I think it's really important to.
[1:28:26] To recognize the fact that holiday has a wealth.
[1:28:29] Of homes and other buildings that were.
[1:28:33] Built umm.
[1:28:34] In the.
[1:28:36] Basically from the end of World War 2 up through the 70s.
[1:28:39] And we really don't know what we have.
[1:28:43] And so this would be a real opportunity to not only.
[1:28:48] Identify some of those great buildings and homes and but also.
[1:28:54] Educate our residents.
[1:28:56] Or residence and get them excited.
[1:28:59] To look.
[1:29:02] At the history of their homes, I had the opportunity to work with Jim Oliver, who was our speaker.
[1:29:07] And try and track down the.
[1:29:10] The history of my own home, which was built in 1958.
[1:29:13] And it's been a real fun experience.
[1:29:16] And the information that.
[1:29:19] Just the research.
[1:29:22] Process was.
[1:29:23] Really.
[1:29:25] And so if we could get.
[1:29:27] Even just a.
[1:29:28] Few of our.
[1:29:30] Resident or our homeowners to go through the same process, I think it would be.
[1:29:34] A real good thing for the city.
[1:29:36] So just to confirm, is this is this?
[1:29:39] Process.
[1:29:40] Essentially what was talked about in that May.
[1:29:42] Historical Commission where they showed that map where?
[1:29:45] Murray had a gazillion of those pinpoints and we had like 3.
[1:29:49] Right. And so this is what we're this program is, is essentially.
[1:29:54] The survey would.
[1:29:55] Put those dots on our.
[1:29:57] Say these are.
[1:29:59] Buildings, homes, whatever of.
[1:30:02] Potential historical significance. And of course, these designations don't.
[1:30:06] Change anyone's property, right? You know.
[1:30:08] It's rather informational and.
[1:30:10] And uh.
[1:30:12] And I think it's.
[1:30:14] Not just about.
[1:30:15] The matching dollars that's being decided, but rather.
[1:30:19] It creates a relationship with that.
[1:30:21] Utah Historical Society, that helps us on that end of it.
[1:30:24] And supports the mission of.
[1:30:27] Our own Historical Commission.
[1:30:29] Absolutely. Umm.
[1:30:31] And yeah, I have no objection.
[1:30:34] I think it's worth money.
[1:30:37] All right.
[1:30:37] With that level of support, then I think we'll go ahead and make the application and let you know what.
[1:30:43] Happens uh uh.
[1:30:45] Whether we receive an award or not.
[1:30:48] Finally, this is the broken record part of my city report.
[1:30:54] We do not.
[1:30:55] No yet. FEMA has not yet made a decision on whether our project is eligible or not.
[1:31:03] Holly is really doing an amazing job.
[1:31:07] Sticking with.
[1:31:09] The process.
[1:31:11] We are.
[1:31:13] I think she's had two meetings this week. We have another one scheduled on Monday.
[1:31:18] And is completing an application.
[1:31:20] For the funding that has already been awarded.
[1:31:26] But I really want to thank her for that effort, and I remain hopeful that.
[1:31:31] We may someday see that airmark.
[1:31:35] Any other questions for me?
[1:31:38] OK. Thank you.
[1:31:39] All right, Thank you. Let's proceed to.
[1:31:42] Count District reports.
[1:31:45] Council Member.
[1:31:46] Right. Umm.
[1:31:48] With the Central Wasatch Commission, umm.
[1:31:51] I sit on the small projects committee and so we had the opportunity to.
[1:31:56] With a small amount of their budget.
[1:31:58] Go over project applications.
[1:32:01] To meet certain needs.
[1:32:04] In the central Wasatch Mountains.
[1:32:06] As we were able to award projects for graffiti abatement.
[1:32:11] Trail Repair.
[1:32:12] Bathroom maintenance, a bunch of other things which.
[1:32:16] Obviously is not within Holiday City.
[1:32:21] Within Holiday City but.
[1:32:23] As many of our city residents.
[1:32:25] Recreate.
[1:32:27] The Wasatch Mountains.
[1:32:29] Benefit.
[1:32:30] From.
[1:32:30] These services.
[1:32:33] Also sit on the Transportation Committee.
[1:32:35] With Central Wasatch Commission and.
[1:32:38] The priority for this year is to work with.
[1:32:41] The state legislature to.
[1:32:43] Procure funds.
[1:32:46] Improving cane transportation, this is.
[1:32:48] Separate and apart from any issues with the gondola which do not support.
[1:32:54] But expanding ski bus priority access.
[1:32:57] So not only for holiday residents that are trying to get up the Canyon, but, umm.
[1:33:02] For residents that live on the South part of the valley that are impacted.
[1:33:07] Every weekend in the winter.
[1:33:09] With really backed up traffic to try to help address some of those issues so that that's what we're working on.
[1:33:14] At the Central Wasatch Commission.
[1:33:21] We had a house fire in district for a few.
[1:33:25] Few nights ago.
[1:33:27] And I just wanted to thank Dan.
[1:33:29] And all the.
[1:33:31] The UFA.
[1:33:33] Cruise um.
[1:33:35] It apparently broke out.
[1:33:37] About 1:30 in the morning.
[1:33:39] And in talking to some of the neighbors.
[1:33:42] Of course, everyone came out in their pajamas to to gather around and and watch what was happening.
[1:33:48] And they were all very, very.
[1:33:50] Complimentary for the the professionalism and the way.
[1:33:54] The way everything unfolded and.
[1:33:56] And luckily.
[1:33:59] The homeowner and his dog.
[1:34:01] Both survived, so everybody was really happy about that.
[1:34:04] So thank you.
[1:34:07] We are also very.
[1:34:09] Very happy that.
[1:34:10] Paving projects, not only.
[1:34:13] We're done, but are now all completed.
[1:34:17] And there was a street that Jerry had said was the worst St. in the city.
[1:34:22] That now has a nice.
[1:34:23] Black noob, smooth surface on it so.
[1:34:26] We're thrilled about that as well. So that's what's been happening in District 4. We'll see if Salt Lake City Public Utilities
[1:34:30] digs it up next week. Yeah, of course.
[1:34:39] Arts Council.
[1:34:40] It's a very, very.
[1:34:41] Busy summer. We had a successful.
[1:34:45] Summer musical.
[1:34:46] A fiddler on the roof.
[1:34:48] I think ticket sales ended up exceeding the expectations that.
[1:34:53] Megan had set for us.
[1:34:54] So it was a great.
[1:34:56] Word-of-mouth, even with having to counsel.
[1:34:59] Our Friday production due to air quality.
[1:35:02] So it seemed to still all workout. It was a great turn out great show.
[1:35:07] We also have now started our summer concert.
[1:35:10] Which they started.
[1:35:12] I guess officially on the 4th.
[1:35:14] But we last week, this week we do have a Simon and Garfunkel.
[1:35:18] Tribute band night.
[1:35:20] So it should be a wonderful night to come out and.
[1:35:23] I would just encourage you all to come this Saturday nights, they are a great event to bring everyone together.
[1:35:29] And finally, I do have a request from the Arts Council for all of you as we begin to plan our Blue Moon Festival.
[1:35:36] They would like to have.
[1:35:38] A Meet a council member.
[1:35:41] Booth just to come and talk.
[1:35:45] With someone we could take shifts.
[1:35:47] Put that it's September 19th.
[1:35:50] From 5:00 until 9:00.
[1:35:52] You obviously would not have to be there all four hours, but just.
[1:35:55] Sometimes that residents can come up and interact.
[1:35:58] With their council members.
[1:36:00] If that is something you're interested in.
[1:36:02] Mayor, though definitely not the mayor.
[1:36:06] We're giving you the 2 hour shift. So. So it's it's a dunk tank. Is that what you said?
[1:36:11] We might be able to fundraise on that one.
[1:36:15] I'm happy helping with that.
[1:36:16] Excellent. Thank you.
[1:36:20] Just my usual thanks.
[1:36:22] Thank you to the staff for their help on dealing with some constituent issues.
[1:36:27] And then I.
[1:36:28] Do you just want to pass on that I've gotten.
[1:36:31] Really positive feedback on the 4th of July activities with the exception of the drone show.
[1:36:37] I've heard several negative things about that, but other than that.
[1:36:42] Really positive feedback.
[1:36:47] I'll just second that.
[1:36:49] Really had a great experience with the parade and the breakfast and.
[1:36:53] I enjoy the drone show. I'm not a huge fan of fireworks but I did hear some similar comments.
[1:36:58] So I just wanted to thank Jared for his help with some constituent.
[1:37:01] Work. We have some.
[1:37:04] Ramps that were.
[1:37:07] Tripping issues.
[1:37:09] So my our constituents over behind the City Hall. So anyways, he's not here if I wanted to make sure about thinking in person, but
[1:37:13] wanted to add that.
[1:37:17] But thanks.
[1:37:19] OK, I have a couple of items. Just to echo the fireworks thing. I did get a number of comments when I.
[1:37:24] Tried to re express the reasoning.
[1:37:26] You know that it was simply due.
[1:37:28] Not not to.
[1:37:29] Drought situation. That was strictly the street fireworks decision.
[1:37:33] But uh, uh.
[1:37:34] The city show was strictly due to the.
[1:37:36] The adjacency to the.
[1:37:37] Construction project.
[1:37:39] And that the timing of the booking just?
[1:37:41] We couldn't.
[1:37:42] Figure out the safety parameters adequately.
[1:37:45] And once they kind of do that information, they.
[1:37:48] Were less amped up about it, but.
[1:37:51] Or primarily.
[1:37:52] Concerned that that wasn't going to necessarily be a permanent decision.
[1:37:57] And we still, you know.
[1:37:59] We'll decide every year what we're going to do.
[1:38:01] And that's one reason I wanted to.
[1:38:03] To put that in the survey.
[1:38:06] I just make sure we're.
[1:38:07] Getting enough public input on.
[1:38:08] On that particular decision.
[1:38:11] But have certainly a decision that Gina and I made.
[1:38:15] About this year specifically?
[1:38:16] Was simply the.
[1:38:18] Unknowns regarding.
[1:38:20] The safety of the site.
[1:38:23] The project hadn't even started yet, but we knew it.
[1:38:25] Would have started by the time the show.
[1:38:31] The other items I have is tomorrow.
[1:38:34] Gina and I are meeting with.
[1:38:37] Heather Anderson.
[1:38:40] Chief lobbyist for Slavisa.
[1:38:42] Which installing value law enforcement.
[1:38:44] Service area.
[1:38:46] We are not a Swedish city.
[1:38:49] But UPD.
[1:38:51] Is the primary provider along with the County Sheriff.
[1:38:55] For Slovisa.
[1:38:57] Service area communities like.
[1:38:59] Kearns and Magda and the American Canyon, White City, etc.
[1:39:02] You may have.
[1:39:04] Heard from staff or read in the paper that the Salt Lake County.
[1:39:07] Is put in process.
[1:39:13] They've stated its desire to remove themselves from saliva.
[1:39:16] Which of course will have an impact, a tremendous impact on this communities, but also on any of the UPD communities potentially.
[1:39:23] So anyway, there's still a lot of questions that are unanswered with regard to.
[1:39:29] Whether or not the county can really even do that.
[1:39:32] And so.
[1:39:35] A lot of unanswered questions and anyway, we're going to get an update.
[1:39:39] Tomorrow.
[1:39:40] From the.
[1:39:42] From Heather Anderson, the Hobbyist.
[1:39:47] Process and next steps and.
[1:39:50] Likelihoods and such, but.
[1:39:51] That's something we want to just keep our.
[1:39:53] Our eyes on.
[1:39:56] Also at UPD board meeting this morning, our.
[1:40:00] Esteemed colleague former Mayor Rob Daley took an appointment on the UPD Merit Commission.
[1:40:06] And so he'll be working with UPD.
[1:40:09] Going forward on their.
[1:40:12] Merit pay decisions in the.
[1:40:15] Benefits and comp.
[1:40:16] World of up.
[1:40:19] Also.
[1:40:21] Of course, our Chief Ackerman was introduced at UPD Board meeting and accepted to be the.
[1:40:26] Chief or they endorsed our.
[1:40:28] Our selection of Chief Ackerman of your next Chief. So congratulations once again.
[1:40:34] Also in that same meeting, there are a couple of other retirements, not just.
[1:40:41] Justin Oil being elevated to assistant chief, but.
[1:40:44] Also Louise Lovato, who's the had been the XO and Mill Creek was elevated to.
[1:40:51] A shared services chief.
[1:40:53] Over investigations and special OPS.
[1:40:56] Also in that context.
[1:40:58] Chief Mouseran also indicated that it was his intent to.
[1:41:06] To introduce or to make more visible.
[1:41:09] The shared services element of what we.
[1:41:12] Are getting with our UPD membership.
[1:41:15] We often only see him.
[1:41:16] In those instances that we need them.
[1:41:20] When things get.
[1:41:22] More rough like with SWAT and such.
[1:41:25] But.
[1:41:26] Certainly our community we.
[1:41:29] Being as mellow as we generally are.
[1:41:31] Sometimes we don't get a whole lot of visibility to some of those special services, so Chief Mouse's new policy will be to try to
[1:41:36] make those special services shared services.
[1:41:42] More visible to.
[1:41:43] To local member cities, so we can expect over the next year to.
[1:41:46] Have some visits and.
[1:41:48] And extra information given to us about the great value that we get.
[1:41:52] From UPD through our membership.
[1:41:54] In the larger regional organization.
[1:41:58] Umm.
[1:42:01] OK, Yeah, that's all I have.
[1:42:03] OK, very good.
[1:42:05] So at this point we can assess to a work meeting.
[1:42:10] Happy to take a motion.
[1:42:11] Mr. Chair.
[1:42:12] I move that we recess to a work meeting.
[1:42:15] 2nd.
[1:42:16] All in favor.
[1:42:17] Aye, opposed.
[1:42:20] OK, discussion on previous public hearings seemed?
[1:42:27] The cemetery expansion seemed to have a whole lot of opposition. Any concerns or questions?
[1:42:33] All right. I guess we'll be taking a vote on that on our next meeting.
[1:42:36] Presumably.
[1:42:38] Fair statement.
[1:42:42] Any other concerns about the next public hearing about updating the land use table to allow?
[1:42:48] Personal.
[1:42:49] Services.
[1:42:51] Mayor, if I may.
[1:42:52] Point of clarification, no.
[1:42:54] The point for the minutes?
[1:42:57] The public notice.
[1:42:58] Page on our website does say.
[1:43:01] Personal Services.
[1:43:03] And also the notice has been sent to Utah Gov. The state clearinghouse Republic notices does also say personal services, but the
[1:43:07] agenda says professional.
[1:43:12] OK, so it's just the agenda that's the problem.
[1:43:16] OK, if uh.
[1:43:17] I can see some concern on the face of the young back here, but perhaps you can have a chat with John and.
[1:43:22] Workout.
[1:43:22] Whatever's a concern is.
[1:43:26] Also.
[1:43:28] Steve Peterson also.
[1:43:29] Clarified that it does not include.
[1:43:32] Any sexually oriented businesses?
[1:43:35] In that personal service definition, so we don't need to worry about.
[1:43:41] Goofy, non therapeutic massage parlors as it were.
[1:43:46] And other such services so.
[1:43:49] That clarifying.
[1:43:51] Concern I was.
[1:43:52] Wondering about the?
[1:43:53] The full scope of that definition, so.
[1:43:56] That seems like we're.
[1:43:57] Yeah, I don't have any concerns.
[1:44:00] Yeah. But we will keep that public hearing open just in case that triggers any.
[1:44:06] You know concerns with the residents of Holiday Hills.
[1:44:12] OK, um.
[1:44:15] MHTN.
[1:44:16] This is like my favorite topic.
[1:44:18] Ever.
[1:44:20] Mayor, I believe Holly wants to do a brief introduction and then.
[1:44:24] Excellent.
[1:44:25] Excellent.
[1:44:26] Regardless, this agenda item is what we've all been waiting for.
[1:44:29] Yeah, another fun item.
[1:44:31] I just wanted to give you some context of where we go from here. So we'll be talking about the final bridging document. I know
[1:44:35] you're getting questions from your constituents.
[1:44:39] I think the community is really supportive and very.
[1:44:42] Much looking forward to having a third park in our community.
[1:44:45] So after tonight, what you can expect is there will be a budget amendment coming to you in August.
[1:44:51] And then we will also be talking about our method of delivery. So how we're going to be managing the implementation of the
[1:44:54] project.
[1:44:58] Including the timeline.
[1:45:00] And then we will have a discussion on.
[1:45:03] The small area master plan.
[1:45:06] Many of you may not know this, but when we went through our.
[1:45:09] Prior to parks, we adopted what's called a Small Area Master Plan.
[1:45:12] Which basically just is a vision document for how we're going to develop the property. It still will provide a lot of flexibility
[1:45:19] and decision making. So it doesn't lock you in, it just gives us that vision for the record.
[1:45:25] Are there any questions about those pieces?
[1:45:27] OK, I'll let.
[1:45:35] Good evening, Mayor and Council.
[1:45:37] Thank you for that introduction.
[1:45:39] Holly and Mayor.
[1:45:41] We do have a presentation.
[1:45:42] That will come up here shortly.
[1:45:45] Just a reminder.
[1:45:46] We're at the conclusion of our second phase of work.
[1:45:50] Thank you for this opportunity to serve the city we've seen many of you at.
[1:45:55] Tours that we took together to various dog parks.
[1:45:58] At an open house that was held at the library over on holiday.
[1:46:03] We've seen.
[1:46:04] Broad support and great feedback throughout these processes so.
[1:46:08] Tonight, if we could go ahead and dance to the next slide.
[1:46:11] We're going to just give you a brief update and reminder for those who haven't been as involved in the process from the public,
[1:46:15] where we've gone and where we are schedule wise.
[1:46:19] We're going to explain what a bridging document is and what this will include, so.
[1:46:23] It's a bit of a foreign term for many. We thought it'd be helpful to explain that.
[1:46:28] One of the key topics that has come up repeatedly is this idea of.
[1:46:33] Trying to preserve the existing lawn which is there.
[1:46:36] And upgrade.
[1:46:38] Some of the irrigation equipment.
[1:46:40] Versus total replacement. So we have information for you on.
[1:46:43] Costs and a recommendation based on the research we've been doing with the steering committee.
[1:46:48] Then we have a cost opinion that will present.
[1:46:52] Just for clarification, it's an opinion of probable cost from an estimate of a professional estimator.
[1:46:57] These are not yet have bids. Now, estimators do use recent bid information to drive their costs, but.
[1:47:03] Just so we know it could come in a little lower, it could come in slightly higher, but we think it's going to be very close.
[1:47:08] So that'll help.
[1:47:09] The Council's decisions.
[1:47:12] And then just a final cut of next step slide.
[1:47:15] So I'm going to introduce.
[1:47:16] Vince Alcott.
[1:47:17] And tape.
[1:47:19] Will be taking us to the rest of the presentation.
[1:47:23] All right, it's good to be back.
[1:47:26] My part here at the beginning is very simple, just a schedule update if we go to the next slide here.
[1:47:33] So up to this point we have completed the bridging document.
[1:47:36] And we have completed a cost estimate.
[1:47:39] And right now we're in this final the doing.
[1:47:41] In progress portion here is this final.
[1:47:45] Bridging document with.
[1:47:46] Any input that you have?
[1:47:47] Today.
[1:47:49] Just to finalize everything.
[1:47:51] And then upcoming from here is again the city to select.
[1:47:54] An actual delivery method.
[1:47:56] For the.
[1:47:57] Final design and construction of the project.
[1:48:00] And then after that is the.
[1:48:02] The construction phase.
[1:48:05] Any questions up to this point?
[1:48:07] All right, we're gonna have Tate talk about the actually.
[1:48:10] Actual bridging document.
[1:48:11] And then we'll come back around to turf.
[1:48:15] Yeah, thanks.
[1:48:17] So like Ryan mentioned, we want to talk.
[1:48:19] Briefly about what a bridging document is, its purpose, what it's used for.
[1:48:25] So a bridging.
[1:48:26] Tends to serve.
[1:48:28] As a bridge, hence its name.
[1:48:30] Between the conceptual master plan.
[1:48:33] That we had in 2024.
[1:48:35] And move it into.
[1:48:37] That design development into construction documents. So it acts as kind of an intermediary between those two phases.
[1:48:43] And it helps do primarily 3 things.
[1:48:47] And so here we can see this is the table of contents that we have in our.
[1:48:51] Bridging document as it stands currently.
[1:48:54] The main intent of the bridging document, like I said, is to establish owner intent in this case.
[1:48:59] You guys as the city?
[1:49:02] It's to help establish minimum program elements.
[1:49:06] That are required. So those are things like.
[1:49:09] A dog park for pickleball courts.
[1:49:12] And you know the, the multi-purpose fields trails things that we've we've decided.
[1:49:18] Through community engagement that.
[1:49:20] Yes, the community wants these things.
[1:49:22] So they are now officially in this bridging document established as Minimum program requirements.
[1:49:28] And then the last thing it does is establishes minimum.
[1:49:32] Requirements for those programs so.
[1:49:35] They can't just put any type of trail in there. We're specifying that they have to be of certain material.
[1:49:40] Or dog park has to be a certain size.
[1:49:42] Things like that.
[1:49:43] So primarily it works for those three things.
[1:49:45] I'm here. Like I said, this is the table of contents that we've currently got. We feel like it's fairly robust for this.
[1:49:51] Style and type of project.
[1:49:54] We feel like we're fairly clear. We've been working with the steering committee to help establish those.
[1:49:59] And then if we go on to the next slide.
[1:50:02] The other thing that a bridging document.
[1:50:04] Typically, will have in addition to all of its written portion.
[1:50:08] Is some supporting graphics, so in our case we have.
[1:50:12] This rendering.
[1:50:13] Which helps.
[1:50:14] Identify and communicate some of those design intents.
[1:50:18] And then not shown in this presentation, there is a more of a CAD plan that matches all of these things, but it's to help.
[1:50:24] Those bid those teams that are bidding the project.
[1:50:27] See it in a way that they're a little bit more.
[1:50:29] Used to sing.
[1:50:31] So that'll help them as well. So we've provided both of those in the bridging document.
[1:50:35] We did want to talk a little bit about some of the changes that were made from our last meeting.
[1:50:42] On June 11th.
[1:50:43] There were a couple things that we wanted to focus on.
[1:50:46] Mayor, I believe.
[1:50:47] One of your main comments was about that restroom.
[1:50:50] Abutting that pavilion.
[1:50:52] Yeah. So, so we did look at that. We shifted it down to that South side and we're playing with it and we wanted to look at those
[1:50:56] views.
[1:51:00] As you know.
[1:51:01] OK, what does that do for a parent who's sitting in a pavilion trying to see?
[1:51:04] One kid at the playground, one that's running to the restroom.
[1:51:08] And as we.
[1:51:09] Kept looking at it and shifting things around. We kept feeling like that's it. Ends up blocking more views by shifting it to the
[1:51:12] South.
[1:51:16] But in doing that.
[1:51:18] We thought, what if we mirror?
[1:51:20] The orientation that we were originally showing of that building.
[1:51:23] So previously we had been showing it with a the restroom to the Northside.
[1:51:28] And then the maintenance structure on the South side.
[1:51:31] What we've done is we've flipped those.
[1:51:33] So the restroom is on the South portion of that building.
[1:51:35] So a parent sitting in that pavilion.
[1:51:37] Kind of can have one eye here.
[1:51:39] When I hear.
[1:51:41] And kind of try to better keep an eye on both kids.
[1:51:45] Another thing that we talked about was maybe moving that and having the pavilion go further to the West.
[1:51:51] We looked at that as well, but there were some concerns about having the pavilion too close to property.
[1:51:56] Laments so.
[1:51:57] Again, we thought.
[1:51:58] For the purposes of where we're at for this bridging document, we feel like it's safer to keep.
[1:52:02] The pavilion where it was at.
[1:52:04] We did however adjust some of the verbiage in that bridging document.
[1:52:07] To umm.
[1:52:09] Allow bid teams to.
[1:52:12] Proposed combining the pavilion and that structure into one larger structure, if that's something that.
[1:52:18] In that phase of design.
[1:52:19] The city wants to explore.
[1:52:21] So we did look at those things.
[1:52:23] I think the other thing I want to make sure we explore on the.
[1:52:26] Pavilion is.
[1:52:27] Taking advantage of sight lines for sure, and that's something that's specifically we put into that text of the of the bridging
[1:52:31] document in those design intents.
[1:52:36] We want to Orient it to Mount Olympus to preserve those views.
[1:52:40] Any any program elements that are.
[1:52:43] Impeding those views are.
[1:52:45] Are cement intended to be shorter?
[1:52:47] To preserve that view. So that's all written in that bridging document.
[1:52:50] Great. OK.
[1:52:52] Any questions on the bridging document portion, its intent, anything like that?
[1:52:58] No, OK.
[1:53:00] I think we'll pass it off to Vince for the next.
[1:53:03] Section.
[1:53:05] This is the really fun part of the presentation right here.
[1:53:09] We're talking turf, not artificial turf. We're talking actual.
[1:53:13] Grass, real grass here. And then we're going to talk irrigation.
[1:53:17] As we go through this and this, I know this was.
[1:53:20] Question as to whether?
[1:53:21] To remove all of the irrigation.
[1:53:24] Or to leave parts of your.
[1:53:25] Existing irrigation and the turf.
[1:53:28] And to try and.
[1:53:29] Cut. Let's see.
[1:53:30] Cut and patch it back together as we do construction around it, so.
[1:53:34] We have two slides here.
[1:53:37] What the first one is about?
[1:53:38] Turf types.
[1:53:40] I know that that was in their group. Can we use different turf types?
[1:53:43] To actually.
[1:53:45] Get better performance or save more water. So if we go to the next slide here we have.
[1:53:51] Three types of turf that are typically used in a multi-purpose or a sports field.
[1:53:56] Kentucky Bluegrass.
[1:53:58] We're all familiar with that again.
[1:54:00] It does have and I've got some of these qualities that are listed here. The pros.
[1:54:04] And the cons.
[1:54:06] Again, bluegrass has this unmatched self healing.
[1:54:09] So, uh.
[1:54:10] It has the ability to spread and to fill in if there's bare spots that come up.
[1:54:15] Again, we get that nice fine texture, soft.
[1:54:19] Excellent blue-green color.
[1:54:21] And it has excellent.
[1:54:23] Called tolerance.
[1:54:25] Now the cons to.
[1:54:26] Kentucky bluegrass is that.
[1:54:28] Does require more water.
[1:54:30] Sometimes up to 50% more water.
[1:54:33] OK, it does require more.
[1:54:36] Regular fertilization.
[1:54:38] Then maybe a fescue does.
[1:54:40] And it just it does go.
[1:54:42] Dormant or it turns brown.
[1:54:44] During the extended hot dry spells.
[1:54:47] Not heavily irrigated.
[1:54:49] And of course, in the winter it does go dormant.
[1:54:53] And then you know.
[1:54:54] It's susceptible to.
[1:54:57] Different fungal diseases.
[1:54:59] Like summer patch and it's prone to.
[1:55:01] That's buildups overtime.
[1:55:03] The top of your surface keeps growing because the thatch just keeps filling in.
[1:55:07] So that's bluegrass.
[1:55:09] We're all familiar with it.
[1:55:11] We also do know that if we irrigate it.
[1:55:13] Correctly.
[1:55:14] That we can reduce the amount of water that is.
[1:55:17] Placed on.
[1:55:19] That leads to the second one here, which is a tall turf.
[1:55:22] Fescue.
[1:55:24] You'll see this used a lot in.
[1:55:26] Some sports fields.
[1:55:28] Again.
[1:55:29] It has an exceptionally deep roots, so it stays green during the hot summers.
[1:55:35] Whereas other cool season.
[1:55:37] Grass is similar to Kentucky bluegrass.
[1:55:40] They do go.
[1:55:40] Dormant. It does have a high tolerance for shade.
[1:55:45] Heavy foot traffic.
[1:55:46] And wearing tear.
[1:55:48] And it requires less water and less.
[1:55:52] Fertilizer.
[1:55:53] Basically the Kentucky Bluegrass.
[1:55:57] There's some cons to it here.
[1:55:59] One is it? It grows in clumps, so it's not.
[1:56:02] Spreading.
[1:56:03] As you would like on a bluegrass.
[1:56:06] So that any.
[1:56:07] You know bare spots or damaged spots? Well, they need.
[1:56:10] To be receded.
[1:56:11] To get that to grow back.
[1:56:14] It is a wider.
[1:56:16] Coarser blade, so it's not as that.
[1:56:18] Not as soft.
[1:56:19] Under foot.
[1:56:20] Maybe as a Kentucky Bluegrass.
[1:56:23] And then even humid climates, it's more susceptible to a brown patch fungal diseases.
[1:56:29] We typically wouldn't see here or not.
[1:56:32] And you know there's not.
[1:56:34] Hot. Dry.
[1:56:35] Utah, the third one that's out there.
[1:56:39] Is Bermuda grass and right now in the state of Utah?
[1:56:42] There is only one type of Bermuda grass that's permitted in the Salt Lake area, and that's like a.
[1:56:47] Tahoma 31 or 32.
[1:56:51] Blend so it is pretty.
[1:56:52] Permitted here.
[1:56:53] Just understand that there are some pros and there are some cons.
[1:56:57] To this type of grass.
[1:56:59] Pros It's incredibly heat and drought.
[1:57:02] Tolerant. It rebounds quickly.
[1:57:05] From summer stress, it's got exceptional recovery rate, traffic tolerance.
[1:57:10] And it's frequently used on.
[1:57:12] Athletic fields, particularly for pro sports.
[1:57:15] Of that type of thing just because.
[1:57:19] The pros like the way it feels underneath the cleats.
[1:57:22] And it's used on golf courses a lot.
[1:57:25] So the cons here.
[1:57:27] It's doesn't handle shade.
[1:57:32] And it goes.
[1:57:34] And when it goes dormant, it goes.
[1:57:36] Completely brown.
[1:57:39] Just understand that.
[1:57:40] You decide to go that route.
[1:57:43] And it does use less water.
[1:57:46] Just but just understand when it goes dormant it does go brown and.
[1:57:52] Bermuda grass here.
[1:57:53] And why the only?
[1:57:55] Variety is this Tahoma 31?
[1:57:59] Is that it doesn't spread.
[1:58:01] My rhizomes under the ground.
[1:58:03] So you can only.
[1:58:04] Purchase it in a sod form.
[1:58:07] Or by putting.
[1:58:08] Plugs in.
[1:58:09] Which is just basically the process of taking each little plant.
[1:58:14] And plugging it in the ground and then it.
[1:58:16] It grows. So those are the cons to that.
[1:58:19] So just be aware that in the right moment, it's fairly expensive.
[1:58:25] So those are the turf types that we could look at doing.
[1:58:29] So Costa is not listed as a con on Bermuda, but that would be one that would be 1 of significantly more expensive than the other.
[1:58:35] Options and it's just because.
[1:58:37] It's only we're limited to that one variety of grass.
[1:58:42] Right. That's the only one that's approved.
[1:58:44] At least in northern Utah.
[1:58:46] But it would use significantly less. It would it's.
[1:58:49] It yes.
[1:58:51] I grew up in Arizona and that's all they had was Bermuda grass and I'm not sure they ever watered it.
[1:58:56] At least that's what it felt like when I was playing on SO.
[1:59:02] Is there a way we can get some context of other city parks in Salt Lake County, whether they're county parks or city parks?
[1:59:09] And what they're.
[1:59:10] Currently using.
[1:59:12] To my knowledge, I think they were talking about playfields.
[1:59:15] We can get that for you. I think there's only one that's actually has the Bermuda grass installed.
[1:59:23] Kentucky Bluegrass you'll see all over the place.
[1:59:26] The Talter fescue.
[1:59:29] I was on a.
[1:59:29] A golf course this this morning.
[1:59:32] And that's what's growing.
[1:59:34] Basically.
[1:59:34] In the rough is that.
[1:59:36] Tall turf fescue and it just.
[1:59:38] Gross.
[1:59:39] The rough.
[1:59:39] Not the fair, not the fair.
[1:59:41] At least I didn't. I never made it to the fairway.
[1:59:47] Anyways, but there are there are.
[1:59:48] Parks around that do have a tall turf fescue in it.
[1:59:51] And again, it's just a.
[1:59:52] A wider blade. That's of course your blade.
[1:59:55] But it does handle 2 playfields though.
[1:59:58] Where soccer is more seriously played.
[2:00:01] Or is this more?
[2:00:04] It's dog parks and it's probably more rougher parks.
[2:00:07] Yes.
[2:00:09] That's correct.
[2:00:10] Given the different constraints that we're looking at.
[2:00:14] Which of these do you guys recommend?
[2:00:21] The question I'm going to ask is how often are the fields going to?
[2:00:26] Be used.
[2:00:28] And that's probably the biggest one.
[2:00:31] With soccer fields, I mean, that's spring and fall. That's spring and fall.
[2:00:35] And if.
[2:00:36] Then you're probably.
[2:00:39] You're probably leaning towards toward a bluegrass.
[2:00:43] Just because it handles the cold better and it.
[2:00:46] Comes out. It'll come out quicker from the.
[2:00:48] The Winter.
[2:00:50] You need to get it all set up if we have.
[2:00:52] Proper irrigation modern irrigation systems that we.
[2:00:56] Don't necessarily have to.
[2:00:57] Go nuts on the.
[2:00:59] Correct watering if we have decent.
[2:01:01] Current technology, and that's part of the.
[2:01:03] The budget, right?
[2:01:04] Correct.
[2:01:05] And we can go to the next slide.
[2:01:06] That's a good segue here.
[2:01:08] Where we start talking talking about irrigation. So there was a.
[2:01:11] Question.
[2:01:12] I think from the Council.
[2:01:13] Whether?
[2:01:14] Leave the existing irrigation system in place.
[2:01:18] Or to replace part.
[2:01:19] Or all of it with new irrigation system.
[2:01:22] So the school that's been there for years, we're unsure of exactly when.
[2:01:27] The current irrigation system was installed.
[2:01:29] Or what stated.
[2:01:31] You know what? The state of that?
[2:01:32] Particular irrigation system is.
[2:01:36] If it was installed in the coverage.
[2:01:39] Of the irrigation system between the different irrigation heads.
[2:01:43] Is not correct.
[2:01:44] Then you're basically throwing more water on it than needs to be.
[2:01:48] On there.
[2:01:49] And as we go throughout this.
[2:01:51] Park and we, we.
[2:01:52] Take portions of particular on the edges of the park.
[2:01:56] And we're going to be installing more.
[2:01:58] Actual drought tolerant.
[2:01:59] Type of material.
[2:02:02] Will we will be.
[2:02:03] Cutting and patching that irrigation system, which would probably lead to more.
[2:02:08] Inefficiencies.
[2:02:10] In the irrigation system.
[2:02:11] So by going to a new system then you'll see here at the bottom.
[2:02:16] We're recommending.
[2:02:18] To basically keep the irrigation mainline that's under the ground now.
[2:02:22] And to install new heads and laterals and valves.
[2:02:26] To make sure that it is up to date and as efficient as it can be.
[2:02:31] A good portion of the water.
[2:02:33] In applications, whether it's residential or for cities.
[2:02:38] Where we're wasting water is just.
[2:02:40] Probably due to inefficiencies in the irrigation system.
[2:02:43] Where we don't have the correct coverage.
[2:02:46] And we had.
[2:02:47] Understand great success in our other city parks in doing just that, upgrading the irrigation system and the heads which.
[2:02:54] Everybody was.
[2:02:55] Giving them a standing ovation when we.
[2:02:57] So I think.
[2:02:59] You'll find.
[2:03:00] Good support for.
[2:03:03] Upgrading the irrigation system.
[2:03:04] OK, what is it in Bluegrass in the park now in the my. My guess is that.
[2:03:09] It is bluegrass.
[2:03:11] It's so rough and lumpy and.
[2:03:13] And yeah.
[2:03:14] With some rock patches and such, but it's old.
[2:03:17] Yeah, so.
[2:03:19] It's got patches and it probably has different types of, you know.
[2:03:23] Weeds or other types of grasses that have mixed in and it just kind of.
[2:03:27] Probably giving you that.
[2:03:29] And it's been compacted over time.
[2:03:31] The top soil has and so that'll give you.
[2:03:34] A little bit rougher feel.
[2:03:39] This is going to betray my.
[2:03:41] Incompetence is a yard per seat, but.
[2:03:44] Is there such a thing as like mixing different kinds of turf? Like can you use in some areas?
[2:03:49] Unkind, and in others another.
[2:03:51] You could.
[2:03:52] And and as long as they're.
[2:03:54] Separated. Like physically separated.
[2:03:57] That would work otherwise, eventually one or the other will.
[2:04:00] Take over, take over.
[2:04:03] So just a follow-up question on that using your Arizona example, I lived there for 3 1/2 long years as well and.
[2:04:14] We had Bermuda grass but then would.
[2:04:16] Overseed it in the winter with rye grass.
[2:04:19] To help manage that transition correct between seasons. Is that something we could do You could you could look at that and again
[2:04:24] the rye grass is something that typically when you.
[2:04:29] When you.
[2:04:30] Put down a grass seed.
[2:04:32] There's probably a rye or perennial rye that's mixed in there to, again, to get that grass to come up.
[2:04:39] And get a little bit of maybe shade to get the.
[2:04:43] Rest of the grass to come up and germinate.
[2:04:45] And then overtime that.
[2:04:46] Perennial rye grass.
[2:04:49] Goes away as the other grass comes in.
[2:04:54] Does the Tal.
[2:04:55] Fescue turned brown in the winter.
[2:05:00] It is a warm season grass of.
[2:05:03] Yes.
[2:05:06] It will. It will go dormant.
[2:05:08] Just like the others, but not as much it's my understanding.
[2:05:12] So as far as.
[2:05:15] The downsides?
[2:05:16] You think that?
[2:05:18] The wider.
[2:05:19] Leaf and it's not as soft. Do you think those are the?
[2:05:22] The problems that we would run into the.
[2:05:25] Things that would make our residents, the visitors to the park, unhappy.
[2:05:30] Yeah, they'll they'll notice, particularly if they're going barefoot, if everybody's in shoes.
[2:05:36] I don't think it makes a difference.
[2:05:37] But when they.
[2:05:38] You know, person goes.
[2:05:40] Barefoot, they'll fill a little bit more.
[2:05:42] So I'm speaking for myself, but I get the impression from other council members and they can.
[2:05:48] Clarify that.
[2:05:49] I really am interested in doing something that.
[2:05:52] Requires less water, sure, I just.
[2:05:56] I think that's the responsible thing to do.
[2:06:00] But also I want to make sure that it's usable for the primary purpose that we're seeing this for is for soccer fields.
[2:06:07] Do you feel like these?
[2:06:09] Told her for this Bermuda grass can work for these soccer fields in spring and and fall. I mean you kind of.
[2:06:15] Jumped on the Kentucky.
[2:06:16] Bluegrass but.
[2:06:17] It does require more water even with the more efficient system, so we're I'm just wondering if if there is a way to.
[2:06:23] Use some of these.
[2:06:25] More water wise.
[2:06:27] Turf for.
[2:06:30] Specifically for.
[2:06:31] Like for soccer fields.
[2:06:35] I think this one through for a minute.
[2:06:42] Again, typically what we see on.
[2:06:45] Sports fields here.
[2:06:46] Bluegrass.
[2:06:48] And again, it just has to do with this fact that it.
[2:06:51] It repairs itself.
[2:06:53] Much easier.
[2:06:55] But it does take water to do that.
[2:06:58] I have seen fescue used on.
[2:07:00] Parks.
[2:07:02] And it does well.
[2:07:04] Again, it will go dormant in the winter and as the summer comes on it it.
[2:07:09] Greens up maybe a little bit later than.
[2:07:11] Your bluegrass.
[2:07:13] So they're they're opposites.
[2:07:15] The talter fescue will stay greener in the summer.
[2:07:18] And as the you know, Spring and.
[2:07:20] In winter hit.
[2:07:23] Spring and fall.
[2:07:24] It does go more dormant.
[2:07:26] And whereas bluegrass is the opposite.
[2:07:29] Spring and fall.
[2:07:31] It's greener.
[2:07:32] And then it.
[2:07:33] Again, if you don't.
[2:07:34] Irrigate it correctly.
[2:07:35] It does go dormant.
[2:07:37] In the summer.
[2:07:40] Hope I explained that right. No, I think, I think I mean it sounds like kind of what you're saying ultimately is.
[2:07:45] No, I mean, which is fine. I mean, if that's the answer, then that's.
[2:07:48] Yeah. So that that really for if we're looking at soccer fields.
[2:07:52] The umm the.
[2:07:55] Those grasses aren't.
[2:07:57] As aren't a top choice.
[2:08:00] Correct. Yeah, I mean, what?
[2:08:02] I.
[2:08:03] Have some?
[2:08:03] Patches of pesky with my backyard and this.
[2:08:06] And I noticed this this part that it does grow in clumps as opposed to a.
[2:08:11] Lawn like you envision.
[2:08:13] Yeah, I mean technician move is what everybody.
[2:08:15] Wants to have in their front yard, in their backyard, because it's just this.
[2:08:19] Silky smooth thing.
[2:08:21] And it is.
[2:08:23] The kind of ambition also for a soccer play field. I mean, I'm.
[2:08:27] I'm intrigued by the.
[2:08:28] Bermuda grass option but.
[2:08:30] It seems to me that.
[2:08:32] Even though it's it's.
[2:08:34] Better on water consumption.
[2:08:37] It's high install cost and high maintenance costs as well for repairing.
[2:08:42] Correct, it doesn't, yes.
[2:08:44] Because you can't just go.
[2:08:45] Find some.
[2:08:46] Bermuda grass seed and throw it out there and have it grow right? And so the patching holes from soccer.
[2:08:52] Fields activity could be a.
[2:08:55] Expensive annual.
[2:08:57] Hub.
[2:08:58] Increase in maintenance.
[2:09:01] Staff and hours it seems like.
[2:09:04] I mean, I agree, Emily, that.
[2:09:07] It's a It's a bummer that the Kentucky Bluegrass is the.
[2:09:10] Water chugger.
[2:09:11] By comparison.
[2:09:13] But I'm also.
[2:09:16] Encouraged, though, by how much water we save relative to our historical.
[2:09:21] Usage when we.
[2:09:23] Upgraded our.
[2:09:24] Our other city parks. I'm hopeful that.
[2:09:27] We'll have just as much celebration by having.
[2:09:29] Quality. Umm.
[2:09:30] Like like as I imagine my Kentucky Bluegrass at Canuteson Park.
[2:09:34] And at City Hall Park.
[2:09:38] And is that fair to say that's what we have in our other?
[2:09:42] Parks and so.
[2:09:43] It would be consistent certainly with our other parks.
[2:09:46] And.
[2:09:49] Now, that being said, there are.
[2:09:51] Newer varieties.
[2:09:53] Of Kentucky bluegrass that are coming onto the market as they improve it.
[2:09:57] That do use.
[2:09:59] Less water than.
[2:10:00] Older varieties, and that's the.
[2:10:02] That's one of the other reasons to go with.
[2:10:05] A new field instead of trying to keep.
[2:10:07] The existing one that's there.
[2:10:09] Right.
[2:10:11] So Ryan. Ryan.
[2:10:14] So, Councilmember Gray, this is these are excellent questions and I think.
[2:10:18] It's fair to say.
[2:10:19] Whatever is in the bridging document, we can update. We can continue researching this with you.
[2:10:25] And I just wanted to under score also that.
[2:10:27] That we've heard this.
[2:10:29] Input from you all along and we're very well aligned with you.
[2:10:32] Just a reminder, we have sought to right size this turf we've.
[2:10:36] This new concept.
[2:10:37] Dramatically removes non functional turfs. We're really only recommending this lawn area.
[2:10:43] Where it's needed for the size of the fields, the plantings you see at the perimeter would be 0 and greatly reduce water use.
[2:10:50] Similarly, that's part of the recommendation as well.
[2:10:53] We don't have a specific calculation but.
[2:10:55] But we know.
[2:10:56] A new, more efficient system with proper spacing and the right heads.
[2:11:00] Is going to be a dramatic savings and water use as well. So so we're very well aligned with you and we can continue working with
[2:11:03] staff to.
[2:11:07] To find it.
[2:11:08] If there are new varieties of Kentucky bluegrass.
[2:11:11] Right, have been tested elsewhere so that you're not learning for the first time.
[2:11:14] You could learn some of those lessons and find some efficiency from from others in the county.
[2:11:20] So thank you for your.
[2:11:21] Consideration of this, it's a.
[2:11:23] I mean, we're all experiencing a summer.
[2:11:24] It's it's such an important issue for us.
[2:11:27] So thanks.
[2:11:29] All right. Did that answer your questions? OK, Thank you.
[2:11:33] All right. So just in terms of irrigation, just some?
[2:11:37] Just some things that I think we've got them in in the bridging document here.
[2:11:41] Is by updating this.
[2:11:43] Your existing irrigation controller can be updated or upgraded.
[2:11:47] To become an actual smart controller.
[2:11:50] Which that in itself will save you.
[2:11:53] Probably 30% water.
[2:11:56] Upfront again, so there's long.
[2:11:58] Long term costs that would.
[2:12:00] This will lower because you'll use less water.
[2:12:03] There's going to be time saving convenience as you go through here. It's going to reduce your repairs.
[2:12:08] Because everything will be new.
[2:12:10] And again, it's our recommendation.
[2:12:12] To retain the irrigation mainline that's there.
[2:12:15] Because it seems to be in good condition.
[2:12:17] To install new valves, laterals, irrigation heads.
[2:12:21] To remove the existing turf to rebalance.
[2:12:25] The existing topsoil and to install the new.
[2:12:28] Turf Song.
[2:12:32] How are you?
[2:12:33] OK. All right, let's go to the next one because now we're going to talk.
[2:12:36] Cost per minute.
[2:12:37] And as Ryan mentioned earlier.
[2:12:40] This is just.
[2:12:42] A opinion.
[2:12:44] Of cost.
[2:12:45] It may come a little bit higher, it may come a little bit lower. So if we can go to the next slide.
[2:12:52] Um, we've broken everything out by basically area in the park.
[2:12:57] So these are the cost of the pavilion.
[2:12:59] And.
[2:13:00] Areas around it where again we're estimating it.
[2:13:04] Basically $330,000 the Plaza has its.
[2:13:09] Own cost associated.
[2:13:11] So when we get.
[2:13:12] Down to the end.
[2:13:14] Their their opinion or posthumous.
[2:13:16] Cost estimators opinion is that it's just.
[2:13:19] Over.
[2:13:20] $8 million for the entire park, and this includes.
[2:13:24] Removing the existing lawn.
[2:13:26] And installing the irrigation system as we've described.
[2:13:33] Any questions?
[2:13:37] OK. All right. So then we're on to our final slide. So moving forward.
[2:13:43] August would be for.
[2:13:45] You as a city.
[2:13:47] To select it delivery method whether that's design.
[2:13:50] Build or design? Build.
[2:13:52] CMGC.
[2:13:54] And then that's up to you.
[2:13:56] To make that decision.
[2:13:58] And then it's.
[2:14:00] Construction.
[2:14:01] Phase after that.
[2:14:04] Regarding the delivery method and kind of.
[2:14:06] Like to have input from John and Jared and staff because this is not correct.
[2:14:12] My area of expertise so.
[2:14:16] And we anticipate we'll do that at either your August 6th or.
[2:14:20] August 20th meeting. Great.
[2:14:23] OK.
[2:14:25] But otherwise we.
[2:14:27] We're still looking at.
[2:14:28] Shovels next spring.
[2:14:30] Unless we have.
[2:14:30] 0 snow this winter as well.
[2:14:33] Maybe sooner.
[2:14:34] That is the hope you know, once you pass the budget amendment.
[2:14:38] The plan that Holly highlighted and then we make a decision.
[2:14:43] On delivery method and we can look at.
[2:14:46] We can really start looking at refine timeline, correct?
[2:14:50] But I just want to reconfirm that.
[2:14:52] Uh, no one's hair is on fire with regard to the numbers being discussed relative to our bond issuance and the.
[2:14:59] The cost of our building.
[2:15:01] I know we have the lack of the earmark we were counting on, but then.
[2:15:05] We appear to have discovered some savings on the building.
[2:15:09] And we've.
[2:15:10] Which read up some room for.
[2:15:13] Doing the part.
[2:15:14] Kind of all at once instead of so it.
[2:15:16] No one's hair is gone on fire since our last discussion.
[2:15:19] They're still looking good.
[2:15:20] We are.
[2:15:21] Yeah. And Mayor, I'll just add that we have two pending grant applications as well.
[2:15:26] So we may have more money coming.
[2:15:28] A little more cushion.
[2:15:29] Yes. Umm.
[2:15:30] All right, OK.
[2:15:33] Thank you. That's it.
[2:15:34] Thank you. Thank you for letting us work with you. We've enjoyed the process.
[2:15:38] Gina and Holly and the rest of the committee have been.
[2:15:40] Awesome to work with and.
[2:15:42] Thank you this this latest rendering.
[2:15:45] Just made us all abuzz.
[2:15:48] That's that's Tate so.
[2:15:51] OK, awesome. Thank you.
[2:15:53] Thank you.
[2:16:03] Where's Mike?
[2:16:04] Real.
[2:16:07] Alright, Megan.
[2:16:09] Happy, healthy, thanks for sticking around.
[2:16:14] Indeed.
[2:16:19] Hi friends.
[2:16:20] It's really wonderful to be here today.
[2:16:24] See some familiar faces and some new faces for those of you who don't.
[2:16:27] Who I haven't had an opportunity to meet. My name is.
[2:16:30] Meg Bartley.
[2:16:31] I go, I am Megan Bartley, but I go by Meg because as you know, we have the wonderful Megan Adermann here in the city.
[2:16:37] That just helps to reduce confusion when people are talking about.
[2:16:40] Meg versus Megan.
[2:16:43] And I'm the public health coordinator for the City of Holiday.
[2:16:47] I grew up in holiday.
[2:16:49] So although I don't currently reside in the city a lot my.
[2:16:52] Family does.
[2:16:55] And it's a real privilege for me to serve this community. So thanks.
[2:16:59] So much for having me.
[2:17:00] And today I'm going to talk to you about Happy Healthy Holiday.
[2:17:06] Um, did we miss?
[2:17:07] Slide.
[2:17:09] No.
[2:17:12] OK, so.
[2:17:14] Little bit about how Happy Healthy Holiday got to the place where we are right now.
[2:17:20] It was initially.
[2:17:22] Started as an event, so Happy Healthy Holiday was an event and it was to try and get.
[2:17:27] Members of the community outside.
[2:17:30] Being more active.
[2:17:31] And.
[2:17:32] Linking that to better mental health as well better physical health and mental health.
[2:17:36] Overtime, it turned into a city coalition.
[2:17:39] And, umm.
[2:17:42] Around 2020.
[2:17:44] To the county was.
[2:17:49] Really trying to take some lessons that they learned from COVID about the benefits of.
[2:17:55] Local community LED coalitions.
[2:17:58] And how much those help?
[2:18:00] With the implementation of public and the understanding of like local health needs.
[2:18:04] And policy implementation.
[2:18:07] So they began working with communities that didn't have.
[2:18:10] Coalitions to establish them and started working with holiday.
[2:18:14] And uh.
[2:18:15] Dumped a lot of data on them.
[2:18:17] So they dumped a lot of data on this kind of casual coalition.
[2:18:20] And they didn't really know.
[2:18:23] How to make heads or tails of it?
[2:18:25] And so in 2023, I was hired.
[2:18:28] A little bit about me, I am a.
[2:18:31] Doctoral candidate in.
[2:18:33] The Department of Anthropology at the University of Utah and I study behavioral ecology.
[2:18:37] So I have some expertise.
[2:18:40] And data evaluation and and.
[2:18:43] Analysis and interpretation, particularly when it comes to behavioral data.
[2:18:48] And so they.
[2:18:50] Hired me as an intern.
[2:18:52] To evaluate this local data.
[2:18:53] And then?
[2:18:55] In 2024.
[2:18:56] We were able to secure a grant.
[2:18:59] To formalize.
[2:19:03] A coordinated public health effort.
[2:19:05] And that grant renewal was?
[2:19:09] On.
[2:19:10] Progress in implementation of a evidence based.
[2:19:14] Process. We selected the what's called the Communities that Care process.
[2:19:19] And the framework that we're also using to implement this process is called Asset Based Community Development or ABCD.
[2:19:26] Which means that we build on.
[2:19:29] Community Strength.
[2:19:29] So strengths and assets that are already existing in the community.
[2:19:34] Rather than trying to start something from scratch.
[2:19:39] So we.
[2:19:42] Have met now 2 cycles of grant renewal.
[2:19:45] So we.
[2:19:46] Are just on our third year of this grant funding.
[2:19:49] And we're really proud of.
[2:19:53] So, umm.
[2:19:55] We can go to the next slide.
[2:20:00] John, I think there are two slides.
[2:20:03] Install my.
[2:20:05] Of so if you want to go up, I do think we missed one.
[2:20:08] But it's OK.
[2:20:11] I just wanted to like.
[2:20:11] Give a little shout out about.
[2:20:15] Our coalition members and and who we are.
[2:20:18] So the coalition is comprised of residents.
[2:20:23] Representatives from the Granite School District.
[2:20:26] We work with the Business Advisory Board.
[2:20:30] City leaders.
[2:20:31] So Council Member Durham.
[2:20:34] We're lucky enough to have him involved in our coalition.
[2:20:37] And we also have.
[2:20:40] You know a lot of volunteers who work with us and we work together to.
[2:20:45] Try and build a safer.
[2:20:47] Connected Community.
[2:20:50] Are some of our main priorities are supporting youth and families?
[2:20:54] Supporting mental health and emotional well-being and then healthy choices and.
[2:20:58] Facilitating.
[2:20:59] Connection within the community.
[2:21:02] Thank you.
[2:21:03] I just wanted to give a shout out to those people because they're amazing.
[2:21:10] So when I first was.
[2:21:11] When I first came on the data.
[2:21:12] Initially that.
[2:21:14] Told us that we.
[2:21:16] Wanted to focus our efforts on.
[2:21:18] 2 main areas.
[2:21:20] These are still areas of focus for us. So although we.
[2:21:25] Are in developing A strategic plan and I'll talk a little bit about what the youth focused data told us.
[2:21:32] I don't want you to think that these.
[2:21:33] Are no longer priorities for us.
[2:21:35] So opioid related harm specifically?
[2:21:41] Opioid related emergencies, we had a high rate of those as well as opioid related deaths locally.
[2:21:47] And then improving mental health and reducing suicide risk locally.
[2:21:53] You might see a little note there on the bottom that talks about a lag in federal.
[2:21:56] Federal data.
[2:21:57] So some of the shifts that have occurred.
[2:21:59] At a federal level have affected our ability to.
[2:22:02] Have umm.
[2:22:05] Apple to make apples to apples comparisons in the data so we just there is some data that we.
[2:22:09] Just simply have not received yet.
[2:22:12] For 2024-2025.
[2:22:15] So, umm.
[2:22:17] There's typically about a two year lag in data, but.
[2:22:20] We're now about three years behind.
[2:22:23] So I just wanted in some cases.
[2:22:26] More so I just.
[2:22:28] Have to use proxies in some.
[2:22:30] In some circumstances.
[2:22:32] So the next slide.
[2:22:34] When it comes to opioid related ER visits?
[2:22:37] This is a proxy, we don't have the overdose data.
[2:22:40] Specific to our.
[2:22:41] Zip code.
[2:22:43] When we receive data.
[2:22:44] Related to Holiday, you can see it's for the 84117 zip code.
[2:22:48] We don't really have citywide data other than in.
[2:22:51] Census data.
[2:22:52] And that's.
[2:22:53] Specifically the data we haven't received.
[2:22:56] So.
[2:22:59] You can see here.
[2:23:01] That, uh.
[2:23:02] Where the?
[2:23:04] Red trend line.
[2:23:05] That represents.
[2:23:06] County data.
[2:23:08] And then the blue trend line represents.
[2:23:11] US and you can see that.
[2:23:13] Since 2023.
[2:23:15] We're experiencing such a decline at the same time that the county is experiencing a.
[2:23:20] An overall increase.
[2:23:23] And those are.
[2:23:24] Statistically significant distinctions.
[2:23:27] And that really speaks to something happening at a local level.
[2:23:31] I'm still really proud because this was an area of focus for us.
[2:23:35] So the other one that we have been focused on are mental health.
[2:23:40] And suicide prevention related.
[2:23:45] Interventions.
[2:23:46] So you can see here with mental health and ER.
[2:23:49] That there has been a sustained decline.
[2:23:51] And.
[2:23:52] When it comes to rate of decline?
[2:23:55] You can see since 2023, we're experiencing A steeper rate of decline.
[2:24:00] Than they are at a county level so both are declining.
[2:24:04] So we're following the same trend.
[2:24:06] But we're.
[2:24:07] Trending downward.
[2:24:08] Which is the right direction? That's how we want to go.
[2:24:11] At a faster level.
[2:24:12] Than the county wide level.
[2:24:14] So these are all really promising.
[2:24:17] Signals in the data.
[2:24:19] That what we're doing is.
[2:24:23] At best, effective.
[2:24:25] And um.
[2:24:27] At worst for.
[2:24:29] We're not causing any harm, we're not making it go in the wrong direction.
[2:24:32] So this is exactly what we want to be seeing in the data.
[2:24:36] As it mentioned, that is.
[2:24:38] The widest gap in the rate of decline.
[2:24:41] From between US and the county that is on record since they have shifted.
[2:24:45] The ways in which they collect these data.
[2:24:48] So that's something that.
[2:24:50] As someone who looks at this kind of stuff all the time.
[2:24:52] That really spoke to me.
[2:24:58] So this is just some of what we've done.
[2:25:00] Since 2023.
[2:25:01] We had a Dive into Family Fun pool event. This was hosted in collaboration with Parents Empowered. It was also sponsored by
[2:25:05] Parents Empowered So.
[2:25:09] They we wrote.
[2:25:11] And receive grant funding from Parents Empowered.
[2:25:15] To put on this event.
[2:25:18] It was produced in collaboration with.
[2:25:23] The Holiday Lions Recreation Center.
[2:25:25] And we had.
[2:25:27] Opportunities for families to come and take pictures with mermaids with their kids and we served pizza and had games.
[2:25:34] And it was a really fun event.
[2:25:37] Parents empowered, as you may know.
[2:25:40] Helps parents.
[2:25:42] Learn how to.
[2:25:44] Talk to their children about alcohol.
[2:25:46] And underage drinking.
[2:25:48] And have those.
[2:25:50] Conversations in a way that is productive.
[2:25:53] And to help them develop comfort around those kinds of conversations.
[2:25:57] So we've also.
[2:26:00] Worked with emergency preparedness to host blood drives.
[2:26:05] We did exceed our goals.
[2:26:08] In our blood drive and we tried to target times of the year when.
[2:26:12] They are really in need, specifically right after the holidays.
[2:26:16] So that's something that we're really proud of.
[2:26:19] QPR. QPR suicide.
[2:26:22] Prevention Trainings.
[2:26:23] We've done several of these.
[2:26:25] And they've all.
[2:26:27] Been really successful.
[2:26:31] Well attended. We've received really great feedback from the community on those kinds of events, mental health awareness events
[2:26:34] we've worked with.
[2:26:37] Again, emergency preparedness.
[2:26:39] To talk about, you know.
[2:26:41] Mental health awareness during times of distress.
[2:26:44] So, umm.
[2:26:46] For example, if there's a disaster or some kind of life changing event, how that affects your mental health we've also worked
[2:26:50] with.
[2:26:54] The business advisory.
[2:26:55] Board on Mental Health in the Workplace events.
[2:26:59] And we've also done work with.
[2:27:01] The Arts Council on.
[2:27:02] Producing events.
[2:27:04] On mindfulness through art.
[2:27:07] So those have all been.
[2:27:08] Really amazing events.
[2:27:10] We've done a lot of naloxone trainings and distributions.
[2:27:14] And I know.
[2:27:15] Anecdotally, that at least 2 lives have been saved from these specific efforts within our city.
[2:27:21] So that made us feel amazing that naloxone that we distributed.
[2:27:26] As a coalition at our events.
[2:27:30] Um, save lives.
[2:27:31] So that was incredible to hear.
[2:27:33] And then finally we do a lot of.
[2:27:36] Both financial and volunteer support for citywide events.
[2:27:40] And those are great opportunities for us.
[2:27:42] To interact with the community those have been.
[2:27:46] Incredibly successful at getting the word out about happy healthy Holiday.
[2:27:49] And also.
[2:27:50] About what we're doing and upcoming events and initiatives.
[2:27:53] Next one.
[2:27:56] One of our.
[2:27:58] Collaborations that we're really proud of.
[2:28:00] With.
[2:28:01] The Arts Council is.
[2:28:03] That we doubled the capacity for the page to stage program for two years in a row.
[2:28:08] Something I'm very grateful.
[2:28:11] That's wonderful to hear.
[2:28:13] And we?
[2:28:14] Are so happy with this and it's been such a success. We also added in order to.
[2:28:20] Align it with what in prevention we call the social development strategy. So this is a strategy where.
[2:28:25] Youth are provided opportunities.
[2:28:28] To build skills.
[2:28:30] And uh.
[2:28:31] They're given.
[2:28:36] Boundaries.
[2:28:37] And save.
[2:28:39] And information about how about?
[2:28:41] About behavior and how you want to interact with individuals.
[2:28:46] And, umm.
[2:28:47] They are able to.
[2:28:50] Then have that behavior reinforced.
[2:28:52] And this helps them build positive bonds.
[2:28:56] With adults that are.
[2:28:58] Good influences on them, essentially.
[2:29:00] And uh.
[2:29:02] This has been demonstrated time and time again to help youth really want to succeed and find that like inner drive to succeed.
[2:29:10] So, in order to ensure that it aligned with the social development strategy, we added both.
[2:29:14] A reinforcement component, so.
[2:29:18] Personalized like little gifts that kids get to take home with them that really acknowledges something that they contributed.
[2:29:24] To the production.
[2:29:26] And then we also added an evaluation component, so a survey that parents are able to complete about their child's experience.
[2:29:34] And that just helps us ensure that the program is aligned with.
[2:29:38] Our goals.
[2:29:40] Megan, if I can just stand up for one second.
[2:29:43] I think one of the really interesting things that the data has shown is that.
[2:29:47] These events like stage to pay.
[2:29:48] Page and the.
[2:29:50] Summer theatre program and the arts programs.
[2:29:54] Blue Moon, all the kind of community events.
[2:29:58] We sometimes tend to think of them as just kind of these.
[2:30:00] Nice.
[2:30:01] Fringe things that are.
[2:30:03] Good add-ons, but they really have us.
[2:30:05] Public health benefit to them.
[2:30:07] In terms of building connection with people and avoiding.
[2:30:10] Mental health and substance abuse problems.
[2:30:12] Yes, absolutely. And that is true for adults and youth.
[2:30:16] And.
[2:30:18] You've set the stage for stuff of.
[2:30:20] Upcoming so I really appreciate it.
[2:30:22] Thank you.
[2:30:25] So we have conducted.
[2:30:27] Recently over the last.
[2:30:30] Three or four months.
[2:30:31] Along with the data assessment.
[2:30:34] Group, which is kind of a subcommittee and happy healthy holiday. We've conducted a risk and protective factor assessment.
[2:30:41] We used sharp data.
[2:30:43] From 2021 to 2025.
[2:30:46] Are you all familiar with the SHARP surveillance goals? So.
[2:30:49] They use these surveys every other year. SO202120232025 data.
[2:30:55] And from those data we have identified.
[2:30:59] Priority problem behaviors.
[2:31:01] That we would like to.
[2:31:02] Move the needle.
[2:31:04] In the right direction.
[2:31:05] So that includes youth alcohol use.
[2:31:07] Youth marijuana use.
[2:31:09] And academic failure.
[2:31:10] Specifically in the 12th grade.
[2:31:13] This is self reported academic failure, so this might not be actual.
[2:31:17] Academic failure. It can be feelings of failure, but that has an important effect on youth preparedness.
[2:31:22] For future goals.
[2:31:25] Essentially, whether that's college or the workplace.
[2:31:28] It can really have a negative impact on that.
[2:31:31] If they're feeling like a failure.
[2:31:33] Secondly.
[2:31:35] We've identified priority risk factors.
[2:31:37] So in prevention work, you want to reduce risk factors and bolster.
[2:31:43] Protective factors.
[2:31:45] So the risk factors that we want to reduce are.
[2:31:49] Transitions and mobility.
[2:31:51] That's a technical term within the framework that means.
[2:31:56] Times of transition within.
[2:32:00] A youth life.
[2:32:01] So this.
[2:32:02] Doesn't necessarily mean moving, but it also includes moving. It can also mean transitioning.
[2:32:07] Between grades and that's how we're using it here.
[2:32:12] Alcohol risk perception.
[2:32:14] So we'll get into that in a second.
[2:32:17] Home alcohol use.
[2:32:19] Pure marijuana norms.
[2:32:21] And school commitment.
[2:32:23] So those are all risk factors.
[2:32:25] That, umm.
[2:32:26] We're experiencing at a higher rate than the statewide rate.
[2:32:30] I'll show you some of.
[2:32:31] Some data on this in a SEC.
[2:32:34] And then priority protective factors. So these are things.
[2:32:38] That are community strengths and as I said.
[2:32:40] We want to.
[2:32:41] Leverage these assets.
[2:32:43] To help address.
[2:32:45] Some of these problem behaviors.
[2:32:47] And to also reduce some of the risk fact.
[2:32:50] So we have.
[2:32:52] Youth report really strong family ties.
[2:32:55] And really strong community ties. So this speaks to what?
[2:32:58] Councilmember Durham was mentioning.
[2:33:01] That they talk about opportunities for pro social engagement.
[2:33:05] As being really high, higher than you see.
[2:33:08] Kind of statewide in holiday.
[2:33:10] And that helps facilitate those community ties.
[2:33:12] So youth do feel bonded to this community and that's.
[2:33:15] Something that is a really strong protective factor.
[2:33:18] And then as I said, just pro social opportunities, these are all areas where we're doing really well.
[2:33:24] So we can go to the next one.
[2:33:28] So this kind of talks about why.
[2:33:31] We picked these as our problem behaviors that we want to address.
[2:33:34] As well as risk factors.
[2:33:37] So if you can look.
[2:33:39] I don't UN alarm you. Let's start with.
[2:33:42] Drinking alcohol like self reported.
[2:33:45] Students who self reported drinking alcohol in the last.
[2:33:48] 30 days.
[2:33:49] So this speaks to habitual use.
[2:33:52] Because they will ask about lifetime use and then they ask about.
[2:33:56] Use in the last 30 days, yeah.
[2:33:58] And typically.
[2:33:59] The way that this is viewed is if they report self report used in the last 30 days then they're very likely to use habitually or
[2:34:02] at least.
[2:34:06] Somewhat often.
[2:34:08] So, umm.
[2:34:09] As you can see.
[2:34:11] Local data.
[2:34:12] 2 out of 20.
[2:34:14] High schoolers.
[2:34:15] Report And this is actually 12th graders.
[2:34:18] Report alcohol consumption in the last 30 days.
[2:34:23] Whereas the statewide average.
[2:34:25] Is 1 out of 20.
[2:34:27] So I don't want to like.
[2:34:29] Make you think everyone's drinking.
[2:34:31] 18 out of 20 youth do not report drinking in the last 30 days. So just to put this into perspective.
[2:34:37] However.
[2:34:38] It is still.
[2:34:39] Double the state.
[2:34:42] The rate that we see across the state.
[2:34:44] Does that make sense?
[2:34:45] OK, with that in mind, so that you know.
[2:34:50] Now we're moving over to.
[2:34:51] That 10%.
[2:34:53] That have reported self reported drinking in the last.
[2:34:57] 30 days.
[2:35:01] 6 out of 10.
[2:35:03] So you can see.
[2:35:04] 6.5 out of 10.
[2:35:07] Beginning in the.
[2:35:09] 8th grade.
[2:35:11] WHO reported.
[2:35:13] Alcohol consumption reported.
[2:35:15] It was.
[2:35:16] Mostly accessed in the home with parental permission.
[2:35:19] And you can see that that's.
[2:35:24] All youth, one student above.
[2:35:29] What we see at a state.
[2:35:30] Level and then we see it spike.
[2:35:34] In the 10th grade.
[2:35:37] And then we see it.
[2:35:38] Come down again in the 12th grade.
[2:35:41] However, it never comes down to where we are in the state level.
[2:35:46] So that spike in the 10th grade is something that we're really interested in addressing.
[2:35:50] And we do see.
[2:35:52] Additionally, kind of a pivot.
[2:35:55] And these problem behaviors.
[2:35:57] In the 10th grade.
[2:35:59] One risk factor that we're interested in addressing.
[2:36:02] So you can.
[2:36:03] Now.
[2:36:06] We can go to the next one.
[2:36:10] Is this?
[2:36:12] As I mentioned this 10th grade pivot.
[2:36:14] So you can see.
[2:36:17] That between 8th and 10th grade.
[2:36:21] There is a 30% decline.
[2:36:23] In students reporting that their parents regularly message no tolerance of drinking.
[2:36:29] Or substance use.
[2:36:32] Between 8th and 10th grade.
[2:36:34] That that decline in messaging is happening at the same time that we see.
[2:36:39] This rising.
[2:36:42] Beginning.
[2:36:45] And then?
[2:36:47] This is a risk ratio on the.
[2:36:50] What's my left side is?
[2:36:53] Academic risk versus the state baseline.
[2:36:56] So what I've done here?
[2:36:58] Is.
[2:36:59] A little stats trick.
[2:37:01] Where I've set the state baseline. This is not to imply that the state baseline is flat at.
[2:37:07] Any level.
[2:37:08] It does move.
[2:37:09] But what I've done is I've.
[2:37:11] Set it at one as a baseline.
[2:37:13] So that you can see how we compare to the state.
[2:37:17] OK, now when it comes to.
[2:37:21] Commitment to school.
[2:37:23] You can see that.
[2:37:25] And this is low commitment to school, so we.
[2:37:27] Do not want it jumping above that baseline.
[2:37:30] OK, this is low commitment to school and academic failure. You can see with low commitment to school.
[2:37:35] That, umm.
[2:37:36] It stays.
[2:37:38] That students are reporting, you know, good commitment to school, better than the state baseline.
[2:37:42] Up until the 10th grade.
[2:37:44] And then after the 10th grade, you see it jump up above the baseline.
[2:37:49] Where the commitment to school, the low commitment to school does.
[2:37:52] Increase umm.
[2:37:54] That is a predictor.
[2:37:56] For self reported academic failure or feelings of academic failure.
[2:38:03] So exactly as you'd predict, you see that trend just absolutely following it that.
[2:38:09] Self-reported academic failure also goes up.
[2:38:11] Between 10th and 12th grade.
[2:38:14] Students are also reporting.
[2:38:17] 12th graders are also reporting.
[2:38:19] That they don't feel they're being recognized for their accomplishments.
[2:38:22] And at the same rate.
[2:38:24] That 10th graders and 8th graders are.
[2:38:26] So that's something that we're interested in.
[2:38:30] Looking into how can we ensure?
[2:38:33] That they are feeling recognized for their accomplishments.
[2:38:35] And for their contributions.
[2:38:37] And maintaining that.
[2:38:39] School to go to the.
[2:38:41] Next one.
[2:38:45] We've also conducted.
[2:38:47] Same working group.
[2:38:48] Conducted a resource assessment.
[2:38:52] And our findings.
[2:38:54] Show that there were some gaps in our local resources and our local assets.
[2:38:59] So there were no specific programs that addressed.
[2:39:03] Those periods of transitions.
[2:39:05] For youth.
[2:39:07] And we would like to.
[2:39:10] Work toward building.
[2:39:12] Some programs, so something that I've talked about with Megan Adermann is adding a program.
[2:39:17] That, uh.
[2:39:19] Addresses specifically this kind of forgotten age group, which is.
[2:39:23] You know, in between.
[2:39:24] The ages of like.
[2:39:26] 12 Well, like 1112.
[2:39:28] Up until you're about 16, there's just not a lot of.
[2:39:31] Programming.
[2:39:33] Is available to those youth.
[2:39:36] And so we've talked about.
[2:39:39] Providing some kind of a page to stage like experience but for that age group.
[2:39:45] So that's something that we're working on.
[2:39:49] Risk perception norms.
[2:39:51] There are great programs.
[2:39:54] To help with that parental communication.
[2:39:58] Of risk.
[2:39:59] But nothing regarding pure communication.
[2:40:02] Except there is this one program called pop.
[2:40:05] Power of the positive.
[2:40:07] We do see among youth, and this is across the board where.
[2:40:10] We're right aligned with the state in this.
[2:40:12] That youth perceive.
[2:40:14] That more of their peers use substances than actually do.
[2:40:18] And that can help create that reduced perception of risk.
[2:40:22] So even just saying.
[2:40:23] You know.
[2:40:25] 90% of youth in our community do not use substances.
[2:40:28] Can be real, like a really powerful message for youth.
[2:40:31] And that's what.
[2:40:32] That's a campaign called The Power of the Positive, and there are grants available for this messaging.
[2:40:37] So that's something we're interested in exploring.
[2:40:40] Home Alcohol.
[2:40:41] Access umm.
[2:40:43] I'll talk a little bit about this on the next slide, but we are.
[2:40:47] In the process of.
[2:40:48] Putting together some focus groups.
[2:40:50] Really, we're calling them community conversations just because it.
[2:40:54] Feels a little nicer.
[2:40:56] And because we are making it a little more.
[2:40:58] More friendly.
[2:40:59] And our interest is?
[2:41:01] Just to understand.
[2:41:02] The like.
[2:41:05] How people are feeling about.
[2:41:06] Talking to their kids about alcohol.
[2:41:08] And how we can better support.
[2:41:10] Those conversations.
[2:41:12] To help increase that messaging at the time we see youth needs at most.
[2:41:15] Youth need it most.
[2:41:17] And then school commitment.
[2:41:19] Like delivery of that message.
[2:41:23] How we can collaborate?
[2:41:25] On as I mentioned previously.
[2:41:28] Ensuring that.
[2:41:30] We are acknowledging.
[2:41:33] High school seniors for their contributions.
[2:41:35] And uh.
[2:41:36] Helping them maintain that.
[2:41:38] School commitment.
[2:41:40] Right through to the end.
[2:41:42] Again, we have really.
[2:41:44] Incredible strengths to leverage.
[2:41:46] Community ties.
[2:41:47] Um, through parks through.
[2:41:49] Our various faiths in our community.
[2:41:54] And our library is an amazing resource. The rec center is an incredible resource.
[2:41:59] And then again, family Ties.
[2:42:01] And connection programs.
[2:42:03] So we do have for example.
[2:42:06] At the Holiday library.
[2:42:08] The Salt Lake County Youth Services is going to be.
[2:42:14] Presenting A5 week course on.
[2:42:17] No, a four week course on strengthening.
[2:42:19] Communication with your kids.
[2:42:21] So how to stay? It's called staying connected to your team.
[2:42:25] So that's coming up in August.
[2:42:27] And we're really excited about.
[2:42:29] Continuing to.
[2:42:30] Provide.
[2:42:32] Those kinds of opportunities for parents to learn.
[2:42:35] And to.
[2:42:36] Collaborate with one another.
[2:42:39] We can go to the last.
[2:42:41] 2nd to last slide.
[2:42:43] Yeah. So I kind of already alluded to all this. What's next?
[2:42:46] This just gives you a little bit of a timeline.
[2:42:49] Hosting these parent conversation groups.
[2:42:52] Building partnerships we're already actively working with.
[2:42:55] The.
[2:42:57] Health and Human Services chat campaign.
[2:42:59] This is the campaign about.
[2:43:00] Just creating 10 minutes a day to talk to your kids.
[2:43:03] And the thing I really like about it is that there's great acknowledgement within the campaign about.
[2:43:09] How busy everybody is.
[2:43:10] It sometimes.
[2:43:12] It's like talk to your kids, but it doesn't.
[2:43:14] Have this follow up acknowledgement of like.
[2:43:16] I know you're busy and that that's actually a challenge, so it gives you practical strategies for making that time.
[2:43:24] We're actively working with them.
[2:43:26] And developing that message so that it.
[2:43:29] Really. Uh.
[2:43:30] Is aligned with.
[2:43:31] Holiday umm.
[2:43:32] With our community.
[2:43:34] And then implementing evidence based family programs.
[2:43:38] Like this?
[2:43:40] Upcoming Umm.
[2:43:41] Staying connected to your team. There's also one called Guiding Good Choices.
[2:43:44] That we've done in the past and we'll.
[2:43:46] We'd like to.
[2:43:47] Bring that back.
[2:43:48] And then audit, we want to audit our youth engagement opportunities.
[2:43:53] That the data do suggest are.
[2:43:56] That these opportunities are often merit based.
[2:44:00] And so sometimes the kids that need them the most don't have access to them.
[2:44:04] Because the kids that are struggling in school.
[2:44:06] Who? Umm.
[2:44:08] Could really benefit.
[2:44:09] From continued engagement and continued opportunities for positive social engagement.
[2:44:14] Get them taken away from them right at the time when they need them the most.
[2:44:17] So we want to make sure that there are community opportunities still.
[2:44:20] For those.
[2:44:23] That kind of positive engagement.
[2:44:27] And then we want to align our.
[2:44:31] This is something I'm actively working on as well.
[2:44:33] Is aligning our ongoing programs and initiatives with trauma informed practices.
[2:44:38] And the social development strategy. I would like to see all trauma informed practices and social development strategy run
[2:44:41] through.
[2:44:45] Like just this little undercurrent through everything that we do.
[2:44:49] And then?
[2:44:50] You know, next year we review and we reassess.
[2:44:53] So final.
[2:44:56] Slide, this is just to kind of say that.
[2:45:00] Although this is a young program.
[2:45:03] We've already met our funding renewal milestones and we have really encouraging trends in our data.
[2:45:09] And, umm.
[2:45:11] A really concrete data-driven plan for.
[2:45:14] What's happening next?
[2:45:18] Thank you. Are you are you familiar?
[2:45:21] Something came to my mind when you were talking about.
[2:45:24] Particularly the high schoolers who.
[2:45:27] Who were indicating a?
[2:45:30] Lack of recognition was a.
[2:45:33] Something they ever bummed about?
[2:45:36] I don't know, were you familiar at all with the updates?
[2:45:39] Art program where they had an.
[2:45:41] Art competition for.
[2:45:42] Elementary, junior high and high school.
[2:45:46] And then, you know, the winners were getting pizza parties and.
[2:45:49] Talk about.
[2:45:51] Recognition.
[2:45:53] Because they got pizza parties for their class and so like their whole class went nuts over their classmate.
[2:45:59] Winning.
[2:46:00] There's nothing that says universalist pizza when it comes to teenagers.
[2:46:04] It's so true, actually, at all levels. You know, elementary, junior high and high school, they all went nuts for pizza anyway.
[2:46:11] I don't know if you had any.
[2:46:15] Any fingers into that?
[2:46:17] No, I, I that wasn't on my radar side and it didn't come out in our.
[2:46:21] Resource assessment. So I appreciate you. That happens in the spring. So perhaps you can connect with Chief Ackerman and and if
[2:46:26] there's an opportunity to have a win, win connection there, that would be meaningful.
[2:46:32] For both H3 and upd and their objectives, that would be.
[2:46:36] Oh yeah, and and.
[2:46:38] Big shout out to Chief Ackerman, who's already been attending our meetings.
[2:46:41] And has some plans with us in the future already, so.
[2:46:45] We're very excited to be working with UPD.
[2:46:47] To have continued engagement with UPD.
[2:46:50] Thanks. Any other questions?
[2:46:54] Life's gonna tell you we are restarting our holiday Youth Council.
[2:46:59] I know that.
[2:47:00] And we met Stephanie and I met with them earlier this month and.
[2:47:05] A lot of these things that you were talking about were things that.
[2:47:08] They mentioned they might want to.
[2:47:11] Look at and what they can do and how they can help so.
[2:47:15] We would love to have a member of the youth council involved.
[2:47:19] As a representative and happy healthy holiday.
[2:47:21] And uh.
[2:47:22] We also.
[2:47:24] There are I I try to forward these on to Stephanie because I know that you 2 are collaborating.
[2:47:29] There are so many grant opportunities that are youth focused.
[2:47:32] And it might be strange, but I actually love grant writing.
[2:47:36] And so if I can help with any of that, I would be.
[2:47:39] I would be very happy to.
[2:47:41] We love grants too. Receive them.
[2:47:44] I mean, how great are they? Yeah. And I and I actually like writing it. For me, it's like a a fun little puzzle that I get to
[2:47:47] solve.
[2:47:50] So yeah, how about it?
[2:47:52] Yeah, rights and grants.
[2:47:56] OK. Anyone else?
[2:47:59] Thank you.
[2:47:59] Thanks very much. Thank you very much.
[2:48:03] OK.
[2:48:06] Assuming since Todd bailed that we don't have closed session.
[2:48:11] Any other items of note?
[2:48:13] We, I I missed this when it was on the calendar earlier. I will not be here for the April 6th or excuse me, August 6.
[2:48:20] Meeting.
[2:48:21] I just wanted to clarify.
[2:48:22] Oh yeah, we actually skipped that.
[2:48:24] Item.
[2:48:26] So yeah, next meeting is October 6th and 20th.
[2:48:30] All right. Assuming there's no other business, gosh, what are we going to do?
[2:48:33] Motion to adjourn.
[2:48:34] 2nd.
[2:48:35] All in favor.
[2:48:36] Aye.
[2:48:38] We are dreamed.