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We have two items.

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No. Well.

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I have a hearing, a continued item, and then.

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Approval of minutes.

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And if it's OK with my fellow commissioners, I just want to check on minutes. So that's really easy.

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Time any of the minutes.

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From 555-1962 or 616, did anyone see anything that looked like it needed correction?

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I did not.

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All right, so we can just.

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Swiftly moved through that as we draw to the end of tonight's official.

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Meeting and now we can start with our public hearing.

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Item.

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What the work meeting?

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Yeah, I'm not opening the public hearing. I'm just saying the first item we have as a public hearing and it's the conditional use

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permit for.

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Andrus accessory building footprint side.

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Size, not side.

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OK, first item.

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These are.

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Pretty typical applications that we've seen with.

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An additional size than what is permitted.

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And the applicant has a pretty thorough narrative.

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Landscaping plan.

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They're meeting all the setbacks for accessory buildings and I think the increase in size was around.

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1400 square feet over the permitted size.

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And they've also provided.

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Mitigation measures, including some additional details about the building height and architecture.

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And some plans there so that.

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They're really approaching it.

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From kind of that mitigation?

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Strategy. So they're outlying.

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Or laying out all of those mitigation strategies up front.

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And essentially, staff recommends.

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All of the mitigation strategies that they've.

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Put forth as being appropriate.

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For the size of the structure and the location of it.

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It is set further back, so it's beyond what the.

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Standard accessory building setbacks would be on the rear side of the property.

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And then it matches the.

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Required accessory building set back on the.

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Side.

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Do we have that questions on it? Can you scroll to the visual on the packet? I'm trying to remember when I read through it.

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If the outline where it was on the property.

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It's in the South.

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Yeah. So if we're looking at the parcel, it's over on.

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This side.

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Which would be kind of the North.

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West Side.

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So it's up against.

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Neighbors, backyards and not.

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Anywhere near a Cottonwood lane, right?

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Right.

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Let me get.

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Footprint.

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It's a lot of hard skin.

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I hope you know someone in the stone Mason industry.

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OK, so proposed barn back here at 2655.

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Square feet.

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There are a couple of other accessory buildings on here there within the permitted size, so we don't have the additional review

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for those.

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I know some of the neighbors comments or neighbors that I have.

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Taken some questions for on this after they were sent the notices.

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Is generally where is this going to be located? So site plan does answer that kind of question for them.

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And then confusion about some of the other structures that are.

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Under construction on the property already.

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Conversations I've had.

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Just explained there's.

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Another accessory structure on this side.

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That's within permitted.

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Size and then another accessory structure here.

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So if there are neighbors that attend tonight, they may.

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Talk about some of the additional accessory structures that are already.

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Being constructed, that would be.

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Referencing these two.

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This current 1 is not under construction at all yet because it has not been permitted so.

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Well, you're probably asking a question. I'm thinking so.

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When we get.

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All the square footage of all the structures.

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It's within that 30.

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Yeah, OK.

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It was 25 with a 10% bonus for.

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Being good, I think.

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Yeah, so.

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Yeah, their structure total.

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Yeah, because they have such a large lot.

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Your your structure square footage.

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Gets quite high even though it is only 25%.

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But they're with this building being added there within their.

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Their structure.

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Coverage allowed.

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What are the height restrict I? When I see the words barn you know that conjures images in my head of.

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Very tall.

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Amish community structures thrown up in a day like.

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How? What is the height?

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That's going to be on this.

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Yeah, height limit is still our standard 20 foot.

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Height for accessory buildings OK.

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So short barn.

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Yes, OK. Yeah. And that's the highest point, so.

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It's likely then if they have any sort of pitched.

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Roof on that that it will go.

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Down more where it connects to the walls.

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And on the infographic that we have in front of us where it delineates the arborvitaes and.

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Their tree layout.

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There's like an overlay of what looks like.

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Someone else's house under that is that.

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Just on this part here.

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I think that it's.

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Potentially.

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Old satellite imagery and.

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It's. I don't think that there's a structured there.

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At all.

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I can pull up the.

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Current satellite.

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I mean, that's pretty.

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It is very that deserves a barn. I'd say yes to a barn in that.

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Yeah, I'll, I'll look at it and see.

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Just hope that there's some clarification on that.

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While you're looking, Carrie I.

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I didn't see any.

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Renderings of what the barn would look like. Is that because that won't.

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Come to us until.

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Plans or will we not even see it once we've approved this?

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Right, so.

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We're looking at.

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The impacts from the footprint essentially so where the building's located.

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The increased size is.

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Is what you're looking at.

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There's not a lot of.

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I guess there's not anything in our ordinance that.

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UM considers architecture specifically.

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The applicant did detail some of their.

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Architectural plans or blending to make sure that it's.

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It's the view of it is.

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Blends more with the surrounding properties and the.

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So that it's not visible necessarily from the street.

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But that's not.

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Usually something that.

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We take into consideration but.

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You can, right? But do we get to see it?

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Because I didn't see that.

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In the no.

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OK. All right.

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Now, I mean, we're now moving into curiosity, but that's that's my prerogative is to.

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Be curious so.

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And what is the?

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Set back the minimum. Set back that the proposed barn has from the property line there in the corner. Do we know how?

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For that is.

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Yeah, so.

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The required set back is 15 feet, so that's.

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You can see this 15 foot line here.

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So they're literally on the line.

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One corner of it is on the 15 foot line.

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And then because of how it's angled.

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It's set back further, so this one is.

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26.

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26 feet 4 inches is where this line comes in.

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That would be the standard set back for a primary structure.

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So there.

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They have this.

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Section that is outside of.

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Where a primary structure set back would be.

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Direction.

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Sorry, we're just looking at it.

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OK. And then?

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The neighbors property it looks like is a tennis court back there.

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Yeah.

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OK.

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Other questions on this one?

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So have.

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I mean, I guess.

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I've been here long enough.

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It hasn't been, it hasn't come in front of us in the last.

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Six months.

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Anything on this property has nothing.

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Has this not come in front of the Planning Commission till now?

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Uh, no, it's not. So the only reason it's here is because the barn is.

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1400 square feet bigger.

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Right. Yep. So because it's that bigger size that puts it into the conditional use permit?

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And if it wasn't for that, it wouldn't be in.

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Front of us at all, right?

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And it'd still be the.

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Same setbacks and height restriction.

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Right.

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Yeah. And looking at the aerial view of the neighboring property, it looks like.

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That what you're seeing there was potentially landscaping or other elements from before.

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The house that was here was.

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Demolished.

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There was.

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I think some.

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Lot line adjustments are creating this new lot over here.

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I'm not sure when this house was built, but it's.

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Probably just some residual former.

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Satellite imagery, that's.

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Used as their base.

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Was that a putting green in the middle of the backyard?

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Never mind.

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So that original zigzag?

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Property line has been replaced with the straight line that's before us, right?

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Right.

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I mean I.

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Just want to see renderings of the house. It looks like it's going to have some pretty wings on it.

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OK. Any other questions?

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Looks like they're going with an all Evergreen approach.

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MMM.

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Preparing for wildfires, I think.

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Pray for no east winds.

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Don't forget to water in the winter.

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In the absence of rainfall. All right. Well, if there's no further on that one, let's move to the text amendment that was

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continued from last time regarding the arts and culture land uses within the Holiday Village zone.

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Thank you, Chair. I have this item for you. First off, I think.

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Can I answer any questions you might have or anything that's come to mind since your previous?

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Shot at looking at this.

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So I had a chance to go by Steinway Pianos.

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And look at the space that they've been utilizing.

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For.

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Recitals.

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And the.

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Potential of how this?

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Ordinance would tie into that.

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I love the way.

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It lays out and sounds.

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In theory and on paper, my only concerns around it are what does that open up the door to down the road could potentially.

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Steinway cell to a pub and ale house and now we have a balcony where people are.

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Getting tossed at night.

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Well, that could happen at Mint.

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What's that?

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That could already happen at Mint.

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Sushi.

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But I just mean for as far as the accessory uses go.

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Yeah, so.

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The way that I've tried to approach the amendment is.

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To create.

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2 new land use definitions in a.

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And the only one that would be allowed for the village is this idea of the low intensity type.

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Um, the the arts.

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That they're being displayed or shown.

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Are not necessarily a for sale situation.

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It would be a gallery.

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And then the performing arts that are being proposed would be off hours.

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And limited to a maximum number of individuals or attendees.

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We can get into some discussion on that.

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Later in the meeting.

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But reviewing those concepts with both the applicant and our.

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City liaison to the arts and culture.

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Committee. Umm.

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Um, they both believe that that is small enough to help.

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Them bolster their own retail and the use of the space to begin with.

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But also may not be big enough to help.

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Other spaces activate.

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What they might have.

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Later, late after hours.

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And that's a delicate balance.

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And I think that's primarily what we're asking the Planning Commission to look at.

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How it's being proposed? How do you balance this intensity of a village?

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Activating.

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After hours.

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Sort of a, for lack of better term, a nightlife.

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While using.

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The goals of the general plan to say reboot.

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The community? Really.

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Wants it encourages arts.

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To occur in the village.

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But how do we?

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How do we go about that?

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So the two of the two uses, the low intensity is the only one that's being proposed in the village. The higher intensity I think

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is where.

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You might be coming from Chair Roach is.

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A live entertainment that might be.

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Rating during pub hours, Restaurant hours.

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There could be anything from theatrical.

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Acts to, Comedy to.

273
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You know, whatever it might be.

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Those types of uses.

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Are defined in this amendment, but not.

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He implemented in the.

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Village they could be used in like other commercial.

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Zones in the city, yeah.

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Where it would be appropriate?

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Like for example the holiday crossroads zone where you have already have that intense.

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Retail use that could absorb that.

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Type of market activity.

283
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So.

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Is there and I guess.

285
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Really what I'm just concerned about is like, I'm all for the arts, don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to play through the.

286
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Do we have the guardrails in place for what this potentially could open up? Because in my mind, you know, doomsday scenario guy

287
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over here, things like.

288
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Do we now have death metal being played off of the roof of the Steinway Gallery, should it ever go that direction for some reason,

289
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Yeah.

290
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That's that's a good thought. I mean, right now every.

291
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Use in the village, for example.

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Granados, they have jazz.

293
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The Live Jazz.

294
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Can't control necessarily the type of music that's being played, but we do have noise ordinances that.

295
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We review.

296
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Consistently with that, use.

297
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And refer back to.

298
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So if they were to play on the roof.

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For example, we would refer back to our existing noise orders to see if it's violating.

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That level of of sound.

301
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And also I think it really will come down to.

302
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How you know?

303
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You define and if you're OK with.

304
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The definition of the performing arts, you know, is that something that's tied directly to the primary use that's there?

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For example.

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Classical Piano.

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That's pretty.

308
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Restrictive for that use could because I don't have any other.

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Classical Piano.

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Business, you know, type of retailers in the village.

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To relate that to.

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So the type of performing arts I think is important for us to get the get the Planning Commission's recommendation on an opinion.

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So that we understand that it also meets the needs of the the retailer, but it also is low intensity enough that it doesn't

314
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disrupt the rest of the community.

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Question. Sorry, question.

316
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I think this is a great.

317
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It's complementary to.

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The District.

319
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The one question I have is similar to what Dennis was talking about, Chair was talking about.

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The guardrails.

321
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Let's say this is in the code.

322
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So it's allowed.

323
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What are the parameters by which they can do these things I mean?

324
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Parking.

325
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I know these are.

326
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Probably not as frequent as obviously the daytime user, but.

327
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Plus the noise. I mean, there's no use permit.

328
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The conditional use permit that they.

329
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No, would be.

330
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Rescinded to.

331
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Take away the use if they violate that.

332
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I mean, to me I appreciate the notion of trying to implement something like this, but I think.

333
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Does have to?

334
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Kind of consider all of the aspects.

335
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Of what?

336
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Is considered Fine Arts.

337
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I mean the Steinway.

338
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Is a great use, but I think it's a little misleading because I think it's ideal.

339
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But once the parking starts to exceed that.

340
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How do we?

341
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I guess we're trying to find.

342
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Trying to find that same question answer as well, but.

343
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But the chair was.

344
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So I in contemplating parking.

345
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In order to keep it.

346
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Complementary to what the primary use is.

347
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That secondary use.

348
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Whatever the arts.

349
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Use might be gallery or.

350
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Live performances.

351
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By definition.

352
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Are maybe Carrie, could you bring up page?

353
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23.

354
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I mean, let's say they have a concert in the middle of the day.

355
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Because I think we may be considering it.

356
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Can't do it.

357
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So what if it's on? What if they want to do it like a holiday concert? Then I would have a Co enforcement officer showing up and

358
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saying you have to be off hours of your primary.

359
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I'm pitching a Cree.

360
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Christmas recital with.

361
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60 students and all the parents and all their grandchildren.

362
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Parents, I mean, it does say no more than 50 attendees. So if we think that's reasonable, it's in there.

363
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:23,430
But we could play with it, yeah. So if you'd Scroll down to line 19 through 25.

364
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Those questions you have in your mind.

365
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Reading through this.

366
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If they're not answered by.

367
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What? What is pre proposed here? We can look at something else.

368
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And if that has to be conditional, use.

369
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We'll bring him in.

370
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:38,910
And we'll grill them on parking. We'll grow them on.

371
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Noise. Umm.

372
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What the type of music you're going to be playing.

373
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I mean you can apply conditions that way.

374
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I think what you're hoping for is this becomes popular, but then it starts to go against your guardrail of 50 people.

375
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And they want to get 100 people and just.

376
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Because so many people want to see these things.

377
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But, well, it's really easy to.

378
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When they come in for their business licensing.

379
00:20:04,670 --> 00:20:07,870
Uh, to show them this standard and say you're maxed out at 50?

380
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Your first violation will be a land use violation.

381
00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:14,030
And we'll resend your business license.

382
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One last question, do you?

383
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We'll have the building official look at the occupancy.

384
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In addition to the building permit or the business license, so they.

385
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That can be probably a stronger.

386
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Mechanism to.

387
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Keep the number.

388
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That in the fire department, I guess it would be. It's from the fire department, OK.

389
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And that would be one of the comments you'll probably hear tonight from the applicant.

390
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50 is a great starting point, but.

391
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Our our occupancy load is X.

392
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It's more than.

393
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Could it be determined?

394
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Struck as rather than a set number.

395
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Be based upon the occupancy rate of building.

396
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Which I'm.

397
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Have no issue with.

398
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What if somebody comes in with a new business and.

399
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Has a bigger space.

400
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And then suddenly the need to.

401
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I'll, you know, change this.

402
00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:10,460
Comes back to us, so consider the spaces for example.

403
00:21:10,540 --> 00:21:11,580
Harmons or.

404
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The office building.

405
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That's just down the street.

406
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They have considerable larger.

407
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Occupancy levels.

408
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So if that might be.

409
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The the notion for keeping it at a number.

410
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Rather than occupancy.

411
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,030
I I've got a question related to the.

412
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The page on the screen.

413
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Lines 16 and 17.

414
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Commercial establishment were an art or activity is taught, practiced, or studied.

415
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So on and so forth.

416
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So.

417
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What? How do we?

418
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Prevent tattoo classes.

419
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And a large tattoo studio.

420
00:21:55,180 --> 00:21:56,500
It can be.

421
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Very artistic.

422
00:21:58,460 --> 00:21:59,220
Artistic.

423
00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:02,220
Is that something that holiday?

424
00:22:02,340 --> 00:22:05,620
Wishes to entertain and I realized I should have looked at the big table but.

425
00:22:06,260 --> 00:22:08,780
It was very large and I didn't look at it more.

426
00:22:08,940 --> 00:22:10,660
But I I don't know the.

427
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That we have.

428
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,070
The guardrails that we would want there.

429
00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:19,100
For something along those lines.

430
00:22:20,150 --> 00:22:22,150
Right, so the only uses.

431
00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:23,140
For uh.

432
00:22:23,260 --> 00:22:26,580
Art studio commercial or even the the art studios above it.

433
00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:29,780
The artisan, industrial and studio general.

434
00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:31,180
Are only allowed.

435
00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:32,980
If you in the high intensity.

436
00:22:33,740 --> 00:22:40,700
Arts and culture, height intensity, land use, which is not being proposed in the village but would be proposed anywhere else.

437
00:22:40,820 --> 00:22:41,940
In the what?

438
00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:43,460
At some point later.

439
00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:45,060
They're not being proposed now.

440
00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:46,990
OK, because that just.

441
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That 1617 and 18.

442
00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:50,980
Seemed to.

443
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,600
Offer.

444
00:22:53,460 --> 00:22:55,020
More flexibility than.

445
00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:56,460
It does.

446
00:22:56,540 --> 00:22:58,940
And right now if someone wanted to open.

447
00:22:59,340 --> 00:23:01,260
An art studio with classes.

448
00:23:01,980 --> 00:23:05,540
On Van Winkle and Highland Drive 6200 down the strip mall.

449
00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:06,180
They could.

450
00:23:06,580 --> 00:23:08,420
I have nothing that would restrict them right now.

451
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:11,140
OK, I think what the?

452
00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:13,500
The point is ensuring that.

453
00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:15,700
What is that accessory use?

454
00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:16,700
2 Umm.

455
00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:20,150
And for the future?

456
00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:24,820
Consideration of what arts and culture could be used for in like in your commercial zones.

457
00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:27,100
We wanted to separate.

458
00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:30,460
Intensity. So you have now at high intensity use for the.

459
00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:33,430
Type of that commercial type of studio space.

460
00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:34,660
Could be used.

461
00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:40,710
And for the sole purpose of establishing A baseline that it's not appropriate for the village.

462
00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:43,100
Can be used in other parts of the city at some point.

463
00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:44,190
But not the village.

464
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:53,590
I think when I consider like noise and impact to the community from the music recital point viewpoint.

465
00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:56,820
I almost wonder if we could just limit it to acoustic.

466
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Because classical falls into that piano, wind instruments, etc.

467
00:24:03,170 --> 00:24:04,130
If that would be.

468
00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:08,220
If that would be a good enough guardrail to keep someone from.

469
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:10,980
Blast and Zeppelin off an electric guitar.

470
00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:12,780
And pushing that boundary.

471
00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:17,300
Not that I wouldn't appreciate a good Zeppelin, but what do you have against trumpets?

472
00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:20,110
Just that too.

473
00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:23,460
The another comment you might hear from.

474
00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:26,660
So the applicant is this idea that.

475
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Online, Uh.

476
00:24:28,220 --> 00:24:29,820
19 that it's only indoor.

477
00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:34,100
The high intensity is indoor or outdoor.

478
00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:35,990
So the roof.

479
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:37,100
Right now.

480
00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:40,340
Would at that Steinway building would be off limits OK?

481
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,030
For the music.

482
00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:44,620
But not necessarily.

483
00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:46,790
They couldn't have like a gathering up there.

484
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:48,820
No. OK, right now they can't.

485
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,910
And with the way this is currently worded for the.

486
00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:54,780
Amendment. They still wouldn't.

487
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:58,840
Be able to utilize that roof space, they have to go through some code amendments because they don't have occupancy allowance up on

488
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,580
that roof.

489
00:25:03,220 --> 00:25:04,300
Wasn't built that way.

490
00:25:06,030 --> 00:25:07,710
But similarly to Caputo.

491
00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:09,500
They're always out on.

492
00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:12,140
Out in the Plaza playing music on Fridays.

493
00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:14,500
I think it's Friday or Saturdays.

494
00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:16,970
When code enforcement's off.

495
00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:19,050
Oh no.

496
00:25:19,980 --> 00:25:21,380
Police officers are always on.

497
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,470
Police officers enforce your your noise ordinance, not the code enforcement.

498
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:28,500
Well, is there any?

499
00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:30,340
What if we did a noise?

500
00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:32,460
Based on the property line.

501
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:34,220
You have certain noise level.

502
00:25:35,370 --> 00:25:35,910
I know that.

503
00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:39,500
Is difficult sometimes, but it gives us at least a little bit of.

504
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:42,900
Protection. So it doesn't matter what kind of instrument or.

505
00:25:43,020 --> 00:25:44,020
What type of amp?

506
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:46,780
Notification. It's how loud they can have it.

507
00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:51,820
Right now, you protect the neighbors. Yeah, right now in your Title 9.

508
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:52,860
Is your noise.

509
00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:55,300
Regulation Section.

510
00:25:56,020 --> 00:25:58,620
We can bring that up and show you what the decibel level.

511
00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:02,670
Would be required at for example, the apartment buildings to the West.

512
00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:07,670
But that already exists. It doesn't already exist. And that's that's.

513
00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:08,500
Citywide.

514
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:11,260
OK. So maybe that's our guardrail.

515
00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:13,300
Can you?

516
00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:18,620
Tell us more about the special event requirements as provided in Title 14.56.

517
00:26:18,940 --> 00:26:22,060
I pulled it up, but it's long. Yeah, it is.

518
00:26:22,420 --> 00:26:25,420
Those are your the Sully County Health Departments gathering.

519
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,620
Requirements When you're over a certain number of individuals, you need a special gathering permit which they call a special

520
00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:31,740
event.

521
00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:33,420
Or if you have alcohol.

522
00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:34,100
Provided umm.

523
00:26:34,820 --> 00:26:37,870
Whether as a private or an open bar type situation.

524
00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:40,020
So would the 50 attendees.

525
00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:45,820
Trigger just the 50 attendees without the alcohol thing. Would that ever trigger the special event thing? It would not.

526
00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:47,780
But they could theoretically, you know.

527
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,140
Apply to the county to serve alcohol at a.

528
00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:52,980
They could nothing that would be different than.

529
00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:56,420
What would need to be here? Because there are already existing guidelines for that.

530
00:26:56,540 --> 00:26:57,420
That's right. OK.

531
00:27:00,270 --> 00:27:00,710
OK.

532
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:06,620
Oh yeah, sorry. I'm just gonna see if we had any other questions before we roll into the meeting.

533
00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:07,460
I can ask.

534
00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:11,740
OK, fair enough. All right. Well, with that, we'll go ahead and close the work.

535
00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:13,580
Meeting.

536
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:19,380
Unless anyone needs a reprieve for some reason, we'll just roll right into the official. Everybody good.

537
00:27:19,780 --> 00:27:20,980
All right, let's roll.

538
00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:25,910
Good evening everyone. Welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission.

539
00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:27,260
Tuesday, August 4th.

540
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:29,820
2026 time is 6:01 PM.

541
00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:32,780
In attendance we have Commissioner Baron.

542
00:27:32,860 --> 00:27:34,060
Gong prints.

543
00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:38,510
Chair Roach and Commissioner Tiffany and city staff with us, we have.

544
00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:42,060
Three items. 4 items on the agenda.

545
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:47,420
The first is a public hearing, but before we get to that, I have asked Vice Chair.

546
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:50,660
Prince if she would read the opening statement for the public.

547
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:55,690
The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board whose function is to review land use plans and other special

548
00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:59,790
studies.

549
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:04,980
Make recommendations to the City Council on proposed zoning map and ordinance changes.

550
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,500
And approved conditional uses and subdivisions.

551
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,270
The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications.

552
00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:15,660
Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted.

553
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:20,780
Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings.

554
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:25,310
Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda where the location.

555
00:28:25,460 --> 00:28:27,100
The nature of the neighborhood.

556
00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:31,660
Existing structures and uses related to the proposed change are noted.

557
00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:37,310
Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the professional planning staff.

558
00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:39,300
The city's general plan.

559
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:41,740
Zoning ordinance and other reports.

560
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:46,180
By all verbal and written comments and by evidence submitted.

561
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:48,780
All of which are part of the public record.

562
00:28:49,420 --> 00:28:51,550
Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

563
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:55,260
And with that, we will roll into our first item.

564
00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:58,420
If city staff wants to give us a rundown.

565
00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:59,900
Before we invite the applicant up.

566
00:29:10,910 --> 00:29:18,630
OK. Item number one on the agenda is a application for a conditional use permit relating to the foot.

567
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,020
Current of an accessory building.

568
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:27,380
The Holiday city code allows for accessory buildings.

569
00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:28,780
With a specific.

570
00:29:29,140 --> 00:29:30,540
Footprint size.

571
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:33,180
To be permitted and reviewed by staff.

572
00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:36,380
Those vary based off of the size of the property.

573
00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:41,780
When that footprint size, when the property owner wishes to have a larger footprint than the permitted size, that's then when it

574
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:46,820
comes before the Planning Commission.

575
00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:49,390
In a public meeting for.

576
00:29:49,980 --> 00:29:53,060
Review and to assess any.

577
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:58,940
Potential impacts related to that larger size and impose any conditions to mitigate those.

578
00:29:59,420 --> 00:30:00,340
Impacts.

579
00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:01,700
The applicant.

580
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:08,870
Is requesting review of impacts and consideration of mitigation factors.

581
00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:11,660
For a new accessory building.

582
00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:15,100
The footprint of which is 26.

583
00:30:15,460 --> 00:30:17,060
55 square feet.

584
00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:20,660
That is 1255.

585
00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:29,260
Square feet larger than the accessory building footprint size of 1400 square feet that's allowed on properties over 2 acres.

586
00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:36,380
The applicant has provided a site plan and has detailed some.

587
00:30:36,820 --> 00:30:39,340
Various mitigation factors in their narrative.

588
00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:44,380
And they've proposed these to specifically address impacts that they've foresee.

589
00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:45,260
And.

590
00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:49,060
Staff review of those is that the.

591
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:51,460
Conditions they oppose with vegetation.

592
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:53,100
And and.

593
00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:58,300
Also limited to our standard code with building height of 20 feet.

594
00:30:58,620 --> 00:30:59,700
And.

595
00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:07,460
It's within the the setbacks and beyond the setbacks on the rear side that are required for accessory buildings.

596
00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:08,940
That the.

597
00:31:09,620 --> 00:31:10,740
Mitigation factors.

598
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:17,060
That the applicant has proposed the staff is in agreement that those are reasonable mitigation.

599
00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:19,740
I'll have the applicant come up and.

600
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:24,500
After you have any potential questions for me, I can answer those for you.

601
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:26,060
OK. Thank you.

602
00:31:34,690 --> 00:31:36,470
Good evening. Thank you for your time.

603
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:38,860
In your service and also grateful for the.

604
00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:40,260
Neighbors that are showing up to.

605
00:31:40,540 --> 00:31:41,830
Ask any questions.

606
00:31:42,020 --> 00:31:43,260
My name is Aaron Buchanan.

607
00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:46,580
I'm with Brandon Bodel construction. We are.

608
00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:49,780
The general contractors on the project for the whole.

609
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:50,540
Property, uh.

610
00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:54,660
And we are representing the Andrus family that that owns this house.

611
00:31:55,180 --> 00:31:59,900
I don't know if you could carry pull up the site plan.

612
00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:02,220
That I pres uh, that I.

613
00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:03,260
Submitted.

614
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:08,300
An answer to kind of the conversation that was going on in the work meeting.

615
00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:12,660
The structure that you can see on the north north side of that property.

616
00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:15,140
It actually was a part of the existing house.

617
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:18,460
That was there before the Andresses bought the property.

618
00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:22,180
It extended all the way down, kind of the middle of the property of the very long one.

619
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:23,380
And I think it was.

620
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:26,300
Built before they subdivided the northern property.

621
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:28,020
So when when they purchased it?

622
00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:31,980
The the building was already on the other side of the property, but.

623
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:34,860
In cooperation, I think it was. It was demolition demolished.

624
00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:37,780
So that the new property line is now established there.

625
00:32:40,060 --> 00:32:42,180
And also it it is.

626
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:48,820
Called, It's been called the barn. As far as from what we've been using the term, it will not house any animals. It's not a.

627
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:50,380
Barn of that type, it'll just be a.

628
00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:52,620
Private office space.

629
00:32:52,780 --> 00:32:54,220
That that family will be using.

630
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,380
Not inviting any public or any.

631
00:32:56,620 --> 00:32:59,140
Large events, just just their own personal space.

632
00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:02,900
As described the.

633
00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:05,110
The restriction for height is 20 feet.

634
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:12,260
And and it is a flat roof if you look at the overall shape of it, that northern part of it.

635
00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:14,980
Is actually a sloped down from like.

636
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:18,220
10 feet on the North End to about 13 feet.

637
00:33:18,420 --> 00:33:19,780
Until it hits the.

638
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:21,140
The larger rectangle.

639
00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:22,700
And that large rectangle is.

640
00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:24,500
Is a flat roof at 20 feet.

641
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,500
The required setbacks as was mentioned.

642
00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:31,340
It's within the 15 foot set back.

643
00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:33,380
On that Northside, but the majority.

644
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:36,060
Of the, especially the higher portion of the.

645
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:37,180
Structural will be.

646
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:38,900
Within the 25 foot.

647
00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:40,180
Or 25 foot 4.

648
00:33:40,660 --> 00:33:43,420
Main Primary Health set back.

649
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,550
The structural coverage.

650
00:33:46,660 --> 00:33:47,460
As I've mentioned.

651
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:50,580
There's a 20% maximum limit.

652
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:52,900
For this property size and.

653
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:56,740
With with this barn and all the additional structures.

654
00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:59,100
It'll only about be it, about 12%.

655
00:33:59,220 --> 00:34:00,780
So we're not anywhere close to that.

656
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:03,620
On the overall lot coverage?

657
00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:05,780
It was mentioned there, the 25%.

658
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:06,900
Allowance.

659
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:09,990
But then you can have up to 10% additional coverage.

660
00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:13,660
If we, if we provide large trees, some structures, things like that.

661
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:17,420
So we have up to 35% with those at that 10% addition.

662
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:21,700
And we are only at 34% on the proposed site plan with all of the.

663
00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:23,260
Hardscapes and everything else.

664
00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:28,830
From a safety or fire safety perspective, we have already reviewed this plan.

665
00:34:29,260 --> 00:34:31,180
In addition with all the other structures.

666
00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:34,060
And have gotten their approval. It will not be fire sprinkler.

667
00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:35,420
They'll actually park.

668
00:34:35,660 --> 00:34:36,540
On the.

669
00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:39,260
The north side of that of the.

670
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:41,750
Of the parking right above the garage.

671
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:45,580
They said that was within their limit, that they can pull the fire truck in there and.

672
00:34:45,660 --> 00:34:47,390
And and get to.

673
00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:50,620
The the barn with their with their within their limits.

674
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:55,060
Also the question I know is curiosity of what?

675
00:34:55,420 --> 00:34:56,950
The structure looks like.

676
00:34:57,140 --> 00:34:58,180
I do have some.

677
00:34:58,260 --> 00:35:01,180
If anyone wants to see after the meeting I can show those.

678
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:02,500
To show what it'll look like.

679
00:35:03,220 --> 00:35:04,820
But in in general it'll be.

680
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:08,580
A sighting of darker, muted tones.

681
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:11,140
That will match the rest of the house.

682
00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:13,140
Also.

683
00:35:13,260 --> 00:35:14,540
I think we were showing the.

684
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:16,700
The larger.

685
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:20,420
Pushed back a larger view of all the neighboring properties.

686
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:21,940
Where the barn is located.

687
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:23,220
There are no.

688
00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:25,620
House adjacent houses right near.

689
00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:27,540
That area there is.

690
00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:28,180
Tennis.

691
00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:31,180
Excuse me, the tennis court.

692
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:32,620
On the Northside.

693
00:35:32,740 --> 00:35:36,220
On the West side there are a lot of trees already existing trees.

694
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:39,300
In both within the homeowners.

695
00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:41,340
Property and on the other side.

696
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:42,300
But we will still.

697
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:44,580
Plant some more trees just in case.

698
00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:46,020
The neighbors ever do.

699
00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:48,740
Cut down their trees, we would still have everything screened.

700
00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:49,780
From our side.

701
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:51,220
On the north side.

702
00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:52,700
To that property there are.

703
00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:56,300
More holes, you know, you could see it from the tennis court, so we will.

704
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:58,020
Be putting a lot more.

705
00:35:58,460 --> 00:35:59,340
Trees.

706
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:00,940
That we showed on those.

707
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:02,500
They'll all be evergreens.

708
00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:04,660
Have plenty of room to plant more.

709
00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:07,340
If that's what is, what is needed to help mitigate any.

710
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:09,820
Any screening of the of the structure.

711
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:12,910
As far as that their mitigation?

712
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:19,300
The light should not be much of A concern. The only lights that we are putting on the exterior.

713
00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:22,220
Of the structure will be on the South and on the east side.

714
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:23,660
So not facing any.

715
00:36:23,780 --> 00:36:25,180
Any neighboring properties.

716
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:27,950
Noise should not be a problem because they'll be doing.

717
00:36:28,340 --> 00:36:30,860
All their activities typically in daytime hours.

718
00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:33,260
And have the house insulated so.

719
00:36:33,940 --> 00:36:35,380
Noise should not be a problem at all.

720
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:38,910
We mentioned already the.

721
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:40,420
Exterior Materials.

722
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:42,300
Of the site positioning we tried to.

723
00:36:42,860 --> 00:36:47,780
While while one corner of it is pretty close to property, we're trying to keep most of the higher structure.

724
00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:49,620
And rotated so that we're not.

725
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:51,660
Right in the corner of the property.

726
00:36:52,350 --> 00:36:54,150
And then the last item would probably just be.

727
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:55,940
From a parking perspective.

728
00:36:56,620 --> 00:36:59,900
We're not planning on any. They already have a pretty extensive amount of.

729
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:00,620
Parking.

730
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:01,940
Available in the House.

731
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:03,100
That should be more than.

732
00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:04,540
Plenty to cover any.

733
00:37:04,780 --> 00:37:06,260
Type of use for this structure.

734
00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:07,820
They wouldn't anticipate any.

735
00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:09,860
Need of parking on the street or anything like that.

736
00:37:11,260 --> 00:37:13,820
I think that's all I have if there's any questions.

737
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:15,540
If not, is this a?

738
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:17,300
Two-story structure.

739
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:21,180
It is a basement and a main floor only basement, main floor.

740
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:21,780
Yeah, umm.

741
00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:25,990
And the rooms delineated on the.

742
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:31,670
Northside are those in the basement or those that ground level?

743
00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:33,260
Those are on ground level.

744
00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:35,580
It's, yeah, a bathroom.

745
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:37,060
And more of a storage unit.

746
00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:40,180
A storage room on the left side and then that is the stairs.

747
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:41,860
You can see going down to the basement.

748
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:44,990
And then the large open area will have partitions where they can.

749
00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:48,150
You know, put different office spaces for the family.

750
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:50,880
Umm.

751
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:58,750
And I noticed you put on there, there won't be any when I look at the noise, I'm not necessarily.

752
00:37:59,340 --> 00:38:04,940
When we look at the noise on these, I'm not necessarily thinking about construction. I'm thinking about noise from within. If the,

753
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:10,540
for example, child wants to start a rock band in the proposed barn, yeah.

754
00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:16,700
Will the insulation be sufficient enough to keep that noise from traveling across the property line? Correct. Yep.

755
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:18,860
OK, Is there a?

756
00:38:18,980 --> 00:38:22,020
Living space or living No No dwelling unit at all.

757
00:38:23,530 --> 00:38:30,390
And, and the only thing I'll say about the trees, I love that there's lots of trees planned to go in here.

758
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:35,980
I would maybe make a recommendation to add a few deciduous trees into the mixed OK.

759
00:38:36,220 --> 00:38:39,040
Just because they'll give you a little bit more height, canopy and a little bit more shade coverage than you're going to achieve

760
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,860
with.

761
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:43,780
Strictly going Evergreen.

762
00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:45,020
OK, that sounds great.

763
00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:48,300
There are a series of doubly use.

764
00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:49,300
Off the.

765
00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:52,060
South side of the barn are.

766
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:52,940
Those were.

767
00:38:53,060 --> 00:38:54,660
Windows or doors or something? Yeah.

768
00:38:54,740 --> 00:39:00,940
OK. Yeah. The majority of the South side has opened by full doors that would then open up into the out onto the grass.

769
00:39:01,020 --> 00:39:03,460
There, so the main entrance will be.

770
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:07,780
On the South will have bifold doors there and a large opening on the.

771
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:08,900
On the east side.

772
00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:10,060
But on the West.

773
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:13,340
And on the north are all just windows. No, no doors.

774
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:17,820
All right.

775
00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:20,940
Commissioners, any other questions for the applicant?

776
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:24,510
All right, go ahead and have you sit down. Thank you very much.

777
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:27,940
All right, this is a public hearing, so those from the public.

778
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:31,220
If you are from the public, hold on just a SEC, this pertains to you.

779
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:34,260
So this is a public hearing we will invite.

780
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:35,940
People to come up and speak.

781
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:40,500
We would ask that you state your name and address for the record when you do so and that you keep your comments to 3 minutes or

782
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:44,580
less. Please direct the Commission.

783
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,660
And not the applicant or anyone else in the room.

784
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:50,620
And then we will give them a chance to respond after public comment.

785
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:51,580
Sorry, I'm gonna.

786
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:56,580
Quickly interject, we are not asking for addresses anymore, so just journey.

787
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:58,060
Just your name please.

788
00:39:59,070 --> 00:40:04,190
I'm Deborah Reichert. If you could get up to the mic, though, that helps with our recorder, you can adjust. I'm Deborah Reichard.

789
00:40:04,340 --> 00:40:06,220
Thank you. And I live just.

790
00:40:06,380 --> 00:40:07,260
West umm.

791
00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:12,230
Of them and I'm having trouble seeing where my house is.

792
00:40:13,570 --> 00:40:14,590
This is my neighbor.

793
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:16,740
We were trying to figure out where this.

794
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,820
Building was just 2600 square feet as big.

795
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:23,100
And you said 20 somehow feet high.

796
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:25,900
And I would like to know where my house is.

797
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,460
How it impacts so I can see it? I couldn't see it from the.

798
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:32,350
The description.

799
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:37,220
OK. Because I wonder how it impacts me. The other thing I know.

800
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:39,140
Is when Scott.

801
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,700
Built his house originally after turn.

802
00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:43,740
I've seen other houses built there.

803
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:45,290
He raised.

804
00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:48,090
The lawn. So actually.

805
00:40:48,330 --> 00:40:50,970
The interest this property is higher than mine.

806
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:53,310
So when?

807
00:40:54,370 --> 00:40:58,690
I see people working in their yard, you know, I can see people working like.

808
00:40:58,770 --> 00:41:02,410
Waist up. So I really like to be able to see what this.

809
00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:05,890
Property is so you can say 22 feet, but they're really raised.

810
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:08,140
OK. Thank you.

811
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:22,140
Could I see a site plan? I could I could have your name please?

812
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:24,330
I'm sorry, David Defrancesco.

813
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:26,330
2203.

814
00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:28,580
It's my address.

815
00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:30,050
OK. And.

816
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:32,130
Any comments you want to make and then?

817
00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:33,210
Well, I'm just.

818
00:41:33,330 --> 00:41:34,250
Curious on.

819
00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:39,220
That's pretty substantial edifice they're building.

820
00:41:39,290 --> 00:41:39,890
And how?

821
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:41,970
What is? What will be the actual height?

822
00:41:42,370 --> 00:41:44,060
Above, like the street?

823
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,220
Do we know?

824
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:52,290
We will ask city and give the applicant a chance to respond to that, OK.

825
00:41:52,610 --> 00:41:53,330
And then?

826
00:41:56,650 --> 00:41:57,170
Well.

827
00:41:57,570 --> 00:42:01,170
How high above the fence they actually had the the previous.

828
00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:02,730
People are put in a.

829
00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:05,090
A higher fence than I think was.

830
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:05,730
They got it.

831
00:42:05,890 --> 00:42:08,250
They wanted to hire fans, yeah.

832
00:42:08,690 --> 00:42:12,570
But I know from watching people in the yard that.

833
00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:14,930
Clear ground is higher than mine.

834
00:42:15,210 --> 00:42:17,130
They've built up their ground a little bit, but.

835
00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:18,290
Backyard space in there.

836
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:21,220
Anyway, if this has been.

837
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:23,330
Corner there that will be.

838
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:25,370
I wish you could see something that.

839
00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:26,650
Just showed.

840
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,780
Where it is for the adjacent properties.

841
00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:30,690
You know how it?

842
00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:34,330
The house looks directly at the back of their house. I understand.

843
00:42:34,810 --> 00:42:35,690
So is mine.

844
00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:36,290
OK, umm.

845
00:42:37,770 --> 00:42:40,010
So that doesn't have the house, that's on it.

846
00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:40,850
Now doesn't.

847
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:42,620
OK, yeah, I'm the.

848
00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:45,060
All right, so this.

849
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:48,090
Structure is actually going up where the cursor is.

850
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:50,250
Is that where you're?

851
00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:51,730
Circling right there.

852
00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:53,890
That's where it's at. So yeah, that's.

853
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,900
Above my place.

854
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,060
They have, they have put a big building in right.

855
00:43:00,450 --> 00:43:01,770
In back of my house.

856
00:43:01,850 --> 00:43:04,410
But it's a ways off of the fence, and it's.

857
00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:05,210
OK.

858
00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:08,090
But OK, so this is up.

859
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:11,730
And their sport. We don't get to see your sport court there, do we?

860
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:15,890
Because Mrs. Anders came and wanted to buy.

861
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:17,890
Pan down just slightly.

862
00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:20,940
The view that you had before.

863
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:22,890
Can that pan down?

864
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:24,090
No, now you're going out.

865
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:27,090
OK, right there. OK, Yeah, there's your sport court.

866
00:43:27,610 --> 00:43:29,770
So see right up there.

867
00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:31,090
There's your OK.

868
00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:32,940
Do you have any other comments at this time?

869
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:38,610
I know that Mrs. Andres wanted to buy the property in my sport, OK.

870
00:43:40,110 --> 00:43:41,180
Thank you. OK.

871
00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:42,980
Thank you. We'll go ahead and have you see. Thank you.

872
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:45,010
Any other comments on this tonight?

873
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,210
All right. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing. And with that, we'll invite the applicant up if he wants to address any of

874
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:53,620
the questions that were brought up by the.

875
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,720
Folks that made comments.

876
00:43:57,450 --> 00:43:58,610
Yeah, I think I'll.

877
00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:01,735
I do have the like a zoomed out picture that I can share afterwards with with the Commission and with any neighbors to kind of

878
00:44:01,735 --> 00:44:04,660
show.

879
00:44:04,810 --> 00:44:06,690
Exactly where that shows on the property.

880
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:09,650
In addition to any of the other accessory structures on there as well.

881
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:14,490
As far as the grading, I was trying to pull that up. Let me see if I can answer that question really quick.

882
00:44:14,970 --> 00:44:17,210
The street elevation.

883
00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:18,370
Is umm.

884
00:44:18,770 --> 00:44:19,730
Roughly, uh.

885
00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:21,250
44.

886
00:44:21,330 --> 00:44:22,250
2020.

887
00:44:22,610 --> 00:44:23,970
8 I believe.

888
00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:29,490
And the grading out outside the party barn is supposed to be 44.

889
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:32,250
23 so.

890
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:33,580
It'll be about.

891
00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:36,610
About 5 feet lower the.

892
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:39,370
Floor will be about 5 feet lower than the street so.

893
00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:42,170
If you're doing from the streets about 15 feet above.

894
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:43,570
The street so.

895
00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:46,410
We do recognize that there was quite a bit of dirt.

896
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:51,490
That had been built up and we have excavated most of that out, so now it's mostly flat. It's not like a.

897
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:53,410
Big mound over the property.

898
00:44:53,770 --> 00:44:55,210
Gotcha, that's all.

899
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:58,090
You're not building a castle on the hill in the backyard. Got it.

900
00:44:58,210 --> 00:44:58,490
OK.

901
00:44:59,610 --> 00:45:00,450
OK. All right.

902
00:45:01,050 --> 00:45:01,490
Thank you.

903
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,200
All right, Commissioners.

904
00:45:04,690 --> 00:45:06,690
Any other questions for city staff?

905
00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:10,900
Or discussion points so.

906
00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:17,090
I mean this looks.

907
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:18,500
Somewhat.

908
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:25,610
I don't want to say standard, but familiar from other properties we've seen in the neighborhood of this sort of square footage.

909
00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:27,940
And building.

910
00:45:28,090 --> 00:45:29,850
Proposed building layouts and.

911
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:33,020
Additional square footage I could think of.

912
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:36,470
More detrimental ways?

913
00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:38,610
This could have come before us.

914
00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:43,050
But I think it's.

915
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:49,450
Pretty straightforward from my end, what's being asked for and other than some side visuals that aren't actually required.

916
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:51,890
For the decision tonight, I think they've.

917
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:54,290
Put together a pretty good packet, it sounds like they're.

918
00:45:54,610 --> 00:45:59,730
Cognizant of the mitigation factors, I noticed in the conditions that we have in the packet.

919
00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:02,490
I don't think there was anything in there regarding.

920
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,380
Additional.

921
00:46:04,810 --> 00:46:09,970
Insulation or anything to mitigate on the noise, was that something that?

922
00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:11,770
Needed to be called out.

923
00:46:14,590 --> 00:46:18,710
Not necessarily, unless that was something that you want to include as a condition.

924
00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:21,010
I don't.

925
00:46:21,130 --> 00:46:23,570
We have our noise ordinance that regulates.

926
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:28,210
Noise already, so staff's opinion is just let the noise ordinance.

927
00:46:28,890 --> 00:46:30,130
Work if there's any.

928
00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:32,450
Issues with noise then.

929
00:46:32,850 --> 00:46:34,850
That can be addressed from a code enforcement.

930
00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:35,970
Standpoint.

931
00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:37,370
OK. Thank you.

932
00:46:37,890 --> 00:46:39,170
I'm sorry, did you need something?

933
00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:41,930
Yes. How far away from my back fence?

934
00:46:42,990 --> 00:46:44,660
Is the structure.

935
00:46:44,970 --> 00:46:50,710
Where my sport, my sport extends further back. How far away is it from my sport court? OK, I'll go ahead and have staff answer

936
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:56,450
that for you if you want to go ahead and have a seat back down. No public comment has been closed at this time.

937
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:58,690
Because that makes a difference to me.

938
00:46:59,530 --> 00:47:00,410
So yeah.

939
00:47:00,570 --> 00:47:02,210
Carrie, do you happen to know what the.

940
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:03,570
With this from the back.

941
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:04,690
Property line there.

942
00:47:04,810 --> 00:47:07,220
Yep. So sport core is here.

943
00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:12,370
Which is quite a distance from your own property line, 15 feet.

944
00:47:12,490 --> 00:47:13,330
Is this?

945
00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:18,580
It's hard to see on here, but there is a dashed line that goes across the property here.

946
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:20,170
So this corner.

947
00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:23,820
Is 15 feet.

948
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:28,410
And then it increases in distance as it goes further away, so it doesn't come.

949
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:32,170
Closer to where the sport court is.

950
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:38,250
That's that this is our standard accessory building footprint or.

951
00:47:38,330 --> 00:47:41,050
Set back distance is 15 feet.

952
00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:43,290
And they're only at that 15.

953
00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:45,330
Feet at this point.

954
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:48,130
This interior line of 20.

955
00:47:48,450 --> 00:47:49,450
4 feet.

956
00:47:49,850 --> 00:47:51,530
Oh, sorry, 26 feet.

957
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:53,330
Is where a standard?

958
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:57,010
A house could be built within this whole area.

959
00:47:57,170 --> 00:48:00,050
So barn is mostly within.

960
00:48:01,170 --> 00:48:02,290
An area where?

961
00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:03,930
A house could be built.

962
00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:07,090
But it is, since it's an accessory building, it's.

963
00:48:07,970 --> 00:48:09,410
Can go out to 15 feet.

964
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:12,020
It only extends to 15 feet.

965
00:48:12,130 --> 00:48:12,810
At that point.

966
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:17,450
Some very closest corner of the proposed project at best is.

967
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:20,300
3540 feet from the.

968
00:48:20,570 --> 00:48:22,130
Very corner of the.

969
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:23,730
Sports court closest to it.

970
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:25,810
OK.

971
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,700
All right. Well, with that.

972
00:48:29,130 --> 00:48:30,810
Commissioners, I think I've seen.

973
00:48:31,210 --> 00:48:33,930
Everything we need to see on this and if anyones ready to.

974
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:34,850
Make a motion.

975
00:48:34,930 --> 00:48:36,090
I'm ready to entertain that.

976
00:48:37,330 --> 00:48:40,090
Is Commissioner Barrett. I'll make a recommendation that.

977
00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:43,250
We approve the conditional use permit application.

978
00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:44,850
For Aaron Johnson.

979
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:46,930
As a representative for the property owner.

980
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:48,530
For an accessory building.

981
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:54,370
Friend of 2655 square feet, located at 5420 S.

982
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:55,530
Cottonwood Lane.

983
00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:57,850
In the R143 zone.

984
00:48:58,210 --> 00:49:00,290
Based upon the findings and conditions.

985
00:49:00,410 --> 00:49:01,770
Laid out in the staff report.

986
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:04,730
This is Commissioner Prince. I'll second that motion.

987
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:08,490
OK, we have a motion in a second. We'll start down here. Mission tripping.

988
00:49:08,890 --> 00:49:11,050
Aye, Commissioner Prince, Aye, Mr.

989
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:15,690
Mr. Barron hi and Chair Roach votes aye. So with that, it'll move forward to.

990
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:17,250
City Council.

991
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:22,420
All right. And we will now move over to the.

992
00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:27,330
Continued item we had for the text amendment on arts and culture.

993
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:29,740
And if city staff wants to give us.

994
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:31,050
An overview of that.

995
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:33,460
Sure. Thanks, Chair Roach.

996
00:49:35,170 --> 00:49:37,810
The beginning of the previous meeting, the Planning Commission.

997
00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:39,330
Open to public hearing.

998
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:42,410
To consider a proposal to add a new.

999
00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:44,650
Land use within the Holiday Village zone.

1000
00:49:45,490 --> 00:49:47,890
That land use specifically is intended.

1001
00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:49,450
To be an accessory.

1002
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:51,010
Rather than.

1003
00:49:51,090 --> 00:49:53,050
What would be primary uses of buildings?

1004
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:55,010
And complementary to.

1005
00:49:55,650 --> 00:49:57,690
Those that are already in operation.

1006
00:49:59,270 --> 00:50:05,980
What we're seeing currently within the village is the intent to maintain a commercial tax base for.

1007
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:08,650
Properties or spaces that are on the ground level.

1008
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:14,540
If you're on upper levels, you can have any other use that are allowed in the village.

1009
00:50:15,330 --> 00:50:19,210
But if you're specifically on a ground level, retail is intended to be the only use available.

1010
00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:25,540
As other parts of the city and starts to mature and develop with commercial space.

1011
00:50:26,530 --> 00:50:27,530
Landlords are.

1012
00:50:27,970 --> 00:50:29,730
Concerned and issues of having.

1013
00:50:29,890 --> 00:50:33,290
Those spaces filled with retail only uses that fit that.

1014
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:34,370
That type of umm, uh.

1015
00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:36,450
That size of those spaces.

1016
00:50:36,610 --> 00:50:38,490
Smaller sizes, less parking.

1017
00:50:38,610 --> 00:50:39,610
That type of thing.

1018
00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:43,410
So accessory uses are something that.

1019
00:50:43,570 --> 00:50:45,250
Be used to bolster.

1020
00:50:45,930 --> 00:50:48,490
Landlords efficiency of the space.

1021
00:50:49,610 --> 00:50:52,290
In conjunction with that, we when we adopted.

1022
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:53,730
The general plan update.

1023
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:55,940
Late last year.

1024
00:50:56,570 --> 00:50:58,050
Uh, we had a high.

1025
00:50:58,130 --> 00:51:03,010
Interest from the community on preserving arts and culture as something that is.

1026
00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:04,700
Acceptable and.

1027
00:51:04,850 --> 00:51:06,370
Intended to be bolstered.

1028
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:10,340
The village being a very natural place for that to occur.

1029
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:12,690
So merging those two together.

1030
00:51:13,850 --> 00:51:20,050
Staff is proposed in conjunction with some applicant Applicant of existing business.

1031
00:51:20,770 --> 00:51:24,090
To include a new land use called arts and culture.

1032
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:27,410
And in order to.

1033
00:51:29,410 --> 00:51:30,810
Blend this.

1034
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:35,100
Accessory use with the intensity or intent of the village.

1035
00:51:35,850 --> 00:51:39,220
The staff is proposing two types of intensities.

1036
00:51:39,930 --> 00:51:41,530
So to speak. And those are now different.

1037
00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:43,210
Would be defined in your code.

1038
00:51:43,890 --> 00:51:47,850
One being a low intense use which is based upon number of attendants.

1039
00:51:48,530 --> 00:51:52,370
The type of art that is being displayed or performed.

1040
00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:57,650
The operation of which is off hours the primary use.

1041
00:51:58,010 --> 00:51:59,770
So that it complements parking.

1042
00:52:01,410 --> 00:52:04,250
And a couple of other details.

1043
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:06,090
That are sized very deep.

1044
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:07,010
Size related.

1045
00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:09,420
Conversely, when you look at.

1046
00:52:09,730 --> 00:52:13,490
The the proposal for arts and culture high intense use.

1047
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:15,340
That would be something that would be.

1048
00:52:15,450 --> 00:52:18,250
Possibly used for other zones in the city.

1049
00:52:18,370 --> 00:52:19,250
Not the village.

1050
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:23,130
So in an attempt.

1051
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:24,490
To future proof.

1052
00:52:25,570 --> 00:52:27,610
This idea of arts and culture.

1053
00:52:28,610 --> 00:52:32,170
That high intense definition or land use is available.

1054
00:52:32,610 --> 00:52:33,490
To apply.

1055
00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:37,515
At a future date in other zones. So that's in there as a definition, but it's not as not being intended to be used for a village

1056
00:52:37,515 --> 00:52:41,300
use.

1057
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:43,180
The other.

1058
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:45,050
Type of land use is.

1059
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:47,730
What can occur within a space?

1060
00:52:47,850 --> 00:52:49,210
When the space is vacant.

1061
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,340
Right now, what we're looking at.

1062
00:52:52,530 --> 00:52:53,930
Proposing is.

1063
00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:57,130
A storefront gallery type of use Which?

1064
00:52:57,810 --> 00:52:58,810
Can be used.

1065
00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:01,810
To use forward facing windows is you know.

1066
00:53:01,890 --> 00:53:04,330
Whatever type of guilt are that could be displayed.

1067
00:53:04,610 --> 00:53:04,970
Well.

1068
00:53:06,130 --> 00:53:09,090
The space is vacant or otherwise unoccupied.

1069
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:12,180
SO3 parts.

1070
00:53:12,490 --> 00:53:13,290
To your.

1071
00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:15,330
Text amendment that's being proposed.

1072
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:21,930
A definitions amendment which provides the new definitions for land uses, and there are some standards in their views.

1073
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:24,490
The the actual.

1074
00:53:24,610 --> 00:53:25,810
Amendment for.

1075
00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:27,490
The holiday village zone.

1076
00:53:28,290 --> 00:53:29,970
And that section.

1077
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:37,280
Takes the street level requirement of retail only and adds accessory, dwelling unit or accessory.

1078
00:53:38,090 --> 00:53:39,530
Arts and culture spaces.

1079
00:53:40,330 --> 00:53:45,090
And then the final land use table which is the brick building long grid of land uses.

1080
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:52,170
Really the only page you need to look at is the very first one very top three lines because it's luckily it's alphabetical order.

1081
00:53:52,650 --> 00:53:54,250
It's right. It goes right to the top.

1082
00:53:55,650 --> 00:53:57,730
And so right now, staff.

1083
00:53:58,210 --> 00:54:01,330
Is written this as a permitted use?

1084
00:54:02,070 --> 00:54:03,990
With the standards that are only.

1085
00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:08,810
And define, as in the definition of arts and culture, low intensity.

1086
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:10,490
And the storefront gallery.

1087
00:54:11,170 --> 00:54:13,410
So the requests for the Planning Commission and.

1088
00:54:13,850 --> 00:54:16,290
Tonight is to review that definition.

1089
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:19,180
Considering what potential?

1090
00:54:19,930 --> 00:54:21,530
Uses could be.

1091
00:54:21,850 --> 00:54:22,770
You know, other than.

1092
00:54:22,850 --> 00:54:29,050
You know music recitals, does it fit in the village as as an arts and culture use as an accessory?

1093
00:54:29,570 --> 00:54:31,130
With those standards if not.

1094
00:54:31,610 --> 00:54:35,170
Would you rather see it as a conditional type use like we just?

1095
00:54:35,610 --> 00:54:38,210
Experienced with the footprint size.

1096
00:54:39,010 --> 00:54:41,020
Knowing the context? Knowing what?

1097
00:54:41,530 --> 00:54:43,290
The space is being used for.

1098
00:54:43,770 --> 00:54:47,130
And considering input from the public, would you?

1099
00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:49,130
Preferred to have that.

1100
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:51,730
That interaction to apply conditions.

1101
00:54:52,290 --> 00:54:54,970
That would be outside of this definition section here.

1102
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:58,330
So in addition to.

1103
00:54:58,450 --> 00:55:00,570
The what's being proposed as amendments.

1104
00:55:00,850 --> 00:55:02,570
Your public hearing is still open.

1105
00:55:02,890 --> 00:55:03,930
So you can either.

1106
00:55:04,330 --> 00:55:06,130
Continue that or close it.

1107
00:55:06,330 --> 00:55:07,130
Depending on.

1108
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:12,650
We are purview and then also we do have applicants here tonight you can question as well.

1109
00:55:14,610 --> 00:55:18,020
As far as what's being proposed and what they would be considered useful.

1110
00:55:20,410 --> 00:55:22,970
Well, I know there were a couple more questions during the week.

1111
00:55:23,090 --> 00:55:28,340
Work meeting, we didn't quite get to and I just had one more that kind of came to my mind when we're talking about.

1112
00:55:28,570 --> 00:55:30,090
Off our usage.

1113
00:55:32,050 --> 00:55:33,010
Do we have?

1114
00:55:33,090 --> 00:55:37,980
Any sort of constraints on those hours in existing code?

1115
00:55:39,010 --> 00:55:39,970
There are.

1116
00:55:40,690 --> 00:55:46,250
So let me see if I can find that really quick is in your code amendment. It happens to be in there.

1117
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:50,460
So it would be on page.

1118
00:55:53,230 --> 00:55:57,430
Not that I think there's going to be a 2:00 AM rave of arts and culture at night.

1119
00:55:57,730 --> 00:56:00,330
20 page 26, line 10.

1120
00:56:00,410 --> 00:56:03,010
Is your existing code for the hours?

1121
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:05,380
Uh, for businesses.

1122
00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:06,860
In the village.

1123
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:07,490
OK.

1124
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:10,870
Basically.

1125
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:13,490
Nothing is available between midnight and six.

1126
00:56:14,330 --> 00:56:16,980
Until 12:00 we turn into pumpkins. Get out right?

1127
00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:18,930
You roll out.

1128
00:56:19,050 --> 00:56:21,370
OK, now if you talk to my son that.

1129
00:56:21,570 --> 00:56:23,290
It's not anywhere near accurate.

1130
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:30,780
So John, as I was looking at this, I screwed up and didn't look at the special event.

1131
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:33,210
Code in chapter 13.

1132
00:56:33,490 --> 00:56:35,130
1414 Pardon me.

1133
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:36,010
How does that?

1134
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:40,570
Keep How does that come into play with something like this? Is that.

1135
00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:44,660
That's enough. No longer required as far as.

1136
00:56:44,770 --> 00:56:47,090
No, it would these businesses another layer.

1137
00:56:47,490 --> 00:56:48,570
Of regulation.

1138
00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:51,730
If they move into the special event types, types.

1139
00:56:52,850 --> 00:56:53,810
If you could, what?

1140
00:56:53,970 --> 00:56:55,690
Qualifies as a special event.

1141
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:59,770
I believe it's a number of individuals attending.

1142
00:56:59,970 --> 00:57:02,500
And I can't remember exactly what that number is.

1143
00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:06,410
Kerry might have it off the top of her head, or there's alcohol present.

1144
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:08,130
Being sold or provided.

1145
00:57:08,170 --> 00:57:09,580
Sounds like the Planning Commission.

1146
00:57:10,770 --> 00:57:11,170
Sorry.

1147
00:57:11,490 --> 00:57:12,490
We have alcohol here.

1148
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:15,890
Alcohol but no numbers or vice versa.

1149
00:57:18,660 --> 00:57:19,260
Thank you.

1150
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:24,020
Umm, Commissioner Brown, actually, for an example, a special event is the Blue Moon event.

1151
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:26,450
That's that's a special event for us.

1152
00:57:27,490 --> 00:57:32,850
If if the business wanted to have a reception with alcohol, that's a special event.

1153
00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:37,260
Does involve either the county or the state level.

1154
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,860
Who? Who's on the review committee of the special events?

1155
00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:45,130
Is it just like the TRC or?

1156
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:47,650
No, it'd be our business licensing side.

1157
00:57:47,730 --> 00:57:49,330
OK. This licensing division.

1158
00:57:49,690 --> 00:57:50,970
And that has to be.

1159
00:57:51,490 --> 00:57:53,530
Applied for and granted.

1160
00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:57,050
Yeah, regardless of what this code says exactly, OK.

1161
00:57:58,740 --> 00:57:59,940
That's another guardrail.

1162
00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:04,210
OK. And I just wanted to clarify the high-tensity art event.

1163
00:58:05,070 --> 00:58:06,020
Is not.

1164
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:09,330
Will not be currently allowed anywhere.

1165
00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:13,090
Intel at a later date when it's assigned it.

1166
00:58:13,830 --> 00:58:14,820
When appropriate.

1167
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:15,770
Is that correct?

1168
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:17,570
That's correct right now.

1169
00:58:17,810 --> 00:58:18,690
We've noticed.

1170
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:21,810
This amendment has village only application.

1171
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:24,450
So even though I have a potential.

1172
00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:27,140
Definition for you.

1173
00:58:28,270 --> 00:58:29,540
You don't necessarily need.

1174
00:58:29,610 --> 00:58:32,050
To recommend that that's ready for.

1175
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:33,930
Adoption. We can table that.

1176
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:36,090
Part of it and just keep the low intensity.

1177
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:40,810
But no, it's not intended to be used anywhere in the city. Not in the village or anywhere else.

1178
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:46,300
So is there any benefit to having that on the amendment before us tonight?

1179
00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:50,020
Only to separate the idea that will have.

1180
00:58:50,330 --> 00:58:54,090
That that what we want to have our is a low intensity use.

1181
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,120
There is a high intensity.

1182
00:58:57,610 --> 00:58:58,570
Um, potentially.

1183
00:58:59,010 --> 00:58:59,450
To be.

1184
00:58:59,690 --> 00:59:01,690
To occur in the other parts of the city.

1185
00:59:02,410 --> 00:59:05,010
So all it does is just separates the types.

1186
00:59:05,370 --> 00:59:06,890
Abuses that would be considered.

1187
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:08,730
Too much for the village to handle.

1188
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:11,900
Can you go to the?

1189
00:59:12,050 --> 00:59:13,450
High intensity use.

1190
00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:15,130
Definition that's been added.

1191
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:20,900
Because believe it or not, I didn't memorize all this. Thank you.

1192
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,660
Yeah, primarily the biggest.

1193
00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:27,770
Differences.

1194
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:29,810
Low intensity is indoor.

1195
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,720
Low intensity has an attendee.

1196
00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:33,530
Maximum.

1197
00:59:33,930 --> 00:59:35,010
Whereas I intentionally.

1198
00:59:35,170 --> 00:59:35,770
Would not.

1199
00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:40,610
We would have more of a occupancy load of the building.

1200
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,660
The high intense uses can be.

1201
00:59:44,540 --> 00:59:47,460
Can could operate at the same time the primary business.

1202
00:59:47,850 --> 00:59:50,810
His operating so if you have a restaurant and a live show.

1203
00:59:51,090 --> 00:59:53,330
That's an intense use, intense parking.

1204
00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:54,690
Requirement that would be.

1205
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:57,250
They would have some parking requirements that come with it.

1206
00:59:58,650 --> 01:00:02,370
And then the other type of artist studios.

1207
01:00:02,730 --> 01:00:03,970
That would be available.

1208
01:00:04,450 --> 01:00:05,450
At the same time.

1209
01:00:07,590 --> 01:00:13,060
I'm right at the top of my head. I'm thinking of, you know, some really cool art or glass blowing.

1210
01:00:13,690 --> 01:00:17,700
Uh, some industrial type art studios that are available at the same time?

1211
01:00:18,090 --> 01:00:19,610
Nearby pub or.

1212
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:23,330
Fish and chip places. I'm thinking anything that's along the.

1213
01:00:23,410 --> 01:00:25,730
The Oregon Coast is similar to that.

1214
01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:27,580
If you think about something like that.

1215
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:33,380
So much Chihuly wants to come to a glass blowing exhibit.

1216
01:00:33,810 --> 01:00:35,970
At the Holiday Hills in a restaurant.

1217
01:00:36,090 --> 01:00:36,770
Area.

1218
01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:38,540
Doesn't really apply.

1219
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:40,530
Yeah, if he wanted to.

1220
01:00:40,610 --> 01:00:42,490
He would have to just display them.

1221
01:00:43,650 --> 01:00:45,250
And not sure you had to do it.

1222
01:00:48,570 --> 01:00:50,130
I have a couple of questions.

1223
01:00:50,530 --> 01:00:51,410
So does.

1224
01:00:51,850 --> 01:00:52,610
Does.

1225
01:00:54,210 --> 01:00:55,530
Outdoor music.

1226
01:00:56,130 --> 01:00:58,050
Which we know exists in at least one place.

1227
01:00:58,610 --> 01:01:05,340
In the village, is that falling under high intensity and it's outside of the scope of this or because it's during their hours?

1228
01:01:05,730 --> 01:01:08,290
Well, except I think that's what high intensity is.

1229
01:01:08,770 --> 01:01:09,650
Yeah, that, that.

1230
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:13,970
That has been and has been operating under just the noise ordinance.

1231
01:01:14,370 --> 01:01:18,610
So as long as they don't exceed the noise ordinance, they have their jazz band that plays outside. Uh-huh.

1232
01:01:20,290 --> 01:01:21,290
Similar to the.

1233
01:01:21,410 --> 01:01:26,010
The food truck park. They have amplified music as long as it doesn't exceed noise ordinance.

1234
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:30,170
We've accepted as being as something that can be done, yeah, Which I think is a.

1235
01:01:30,330 --> 01:01:35,950
Really important, very nice place making things. So I just want to make sure this doesn't somehow suddenly exclude that use or

1236
01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:41,570
make it so that people can't do that. I'm glad you mentioned that. That was the same comment from our arts and culture.

1237
01:01:41,730 --> 01:01:44,210
Liaison Megan Adermann, who's on staff.

1238
01:01:45,050 --> 01:01:47,490
Having it only indoor might hinder.

1239
01:01:47,850 --> 01:01:48,690
That feel.

1240
01:01:49,090 --> 01:01:54,650
So an indoor outdoor that would still comply with the noise ordinance is would be her recommendation to still be.

1241
01:01:54,890 --> 01:01:55,490
Considered.

1242
01:01:56,380 --> 01:02:00,140
For the for the low intensity have an outdoor use as well if it's.

1243
01:02:00,330 --> 01:02:02,090
A quiet quartet if it's a.

1244
01:02:02,610 --> 01:02:05,170
Small boombox or something?

1245
01:02:05,410 --> 01:02:10,730
Yeah, I think, I think that would be we want to add that language. So if we liked that would have to add that.

1246
01:02:11,290 --> 01:02:14,850
Indoor or outdoor accessory use.

1247
01:02:15,330 --> 01:02:17,250
To that line based on noise ordinance.

1248
01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:19,610
To line 19.

1249
01:02:20,330 --> 01:02:23,100
If the noise ordinance has been limiting what's already happening.

1250
01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:25,170
I think what's already happening is very nice.

1251
01:02:27,340 --> 01:02:29,620
And so if that hasn't been a problem, I do want to.

1252
01:02:29,730 --> 01:02:31,970
I think preserving it with an outdoor.

1253
01:02:32,860 --> 01:02:33,940
Adding the outdoor.

1254
01:02:34,170 --> 01:02:35,610
I think is very reasonable.

1255
01:02:36,610 --> 01:02:40,850
Unless we've unless the staff has encountered a lot of problems in the past where you're like, no.

1256
01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:42,690
Now they've been reminded.

1257
01:02:42,770 --> 01:02:43,810
Enough, I think.

1258
01:02:44,330 --> 01:02:46,050
It's been very.

1259
01:02:47,470 --> 01:02:48,220
Complimentary.

1260
01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:52,090
OK, I had a couple other questions.

1261
01:02:54,570 --> 01:02:57,650
For the temporary storefront gallery, who gets to decide?

1262
01:02:58,610 --> 01:03:01,580
What would be displayed there? Would it be the owner?

1263
01:03:01,810 --> 01:03:02,690
Of the building.

1264
01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:06,980
Yeah, I think we would rely on either the landlord.

1265
01:03:07,050 --> 01:03:09,410
Or the tenant to decide what's there.

1266
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:11,610
OK. And are there standards already about?

1267
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,620
Decency is the only one I can think of.

1268
01:03:14,730 --> 01:03:15,570
That's why.

1269
01:03:15,770 --> 01:03:20,700
Our legal counsel would like to have that 5.82 section in there, that whole chapter.

1270
01:03:20,810 --> 01:03:23,930
Describes what those indecency issues would.

1271
01:03:24,130 --> 01:03:25,010
Potentially be.

1272
01:03:25,170 --> 01:03:27,570
So even if it were categorized as art.

1273
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:33,450
We're, I mean, that's a fuzzy line. If we needed to, we could rely on that section.

1274
01:03:33,610 --> 01:03:35,850
OK. And then?

1275
01:03:36,610 --> 01:03:38,570
In the work meeting, parking was.

1276
01:03:38,730 --> 01:03:39,450
Brought up umm.

1277
01:03:40,420 --> 01:03:45,900
I it sounds like there's a range of closing times for businesses in downtown.

1278
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:48,780
And the.

1279
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:51,050
Low intensity is written would have to.

1280
01:03:51,370 --> 01:03:56,970
Happen after the operating hours for the specific business, but it may be during business hours.

1281
01:03:57,330 --> 01:03:58,330
For other folks.

1282
01:03:58,450 --> 01:03:59,130
Is there?

1283
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:06,580
Is what is the rollover for parking look like as businesses close but.

1284
01:04:06,770 --> 01:04:11,330
Another business might have a special event. Is that a huge in this village? It's it's quite a bit.

1285
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:16,170
Because we do have a lot of office spaces that are done at.

1286
01:04:16,850 --> 01:04:21,610
I would say at least 50% of the parking stalls that are used for office spaces are vacant.

1287
01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:22,530
After 5.

1288
01:04:23,410 --> 01:04:24,450
OK, great.

1289
01:04:25,290 --> 01:04:26,250
Because I think that.

1290
01:04:27,210 --> 01:04:29,050
Being cognizant of parking is.

1291
01:04:29,290 --> 01:04:30,530
Is important, but.

1292
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:35,610
I I think this is a great use of space in a secondary.

1293
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:40,530
Uses, you know, helpful for businesses, so I think.

1294
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:44,290
I want to make sure that parking isn't the thing that's making us.

1295
01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:45,250
Pause on that.

1296
01:04:45,730 --> 01:04:46,930
I also think.

1297
01:04:47,010 --> 01:04:51,340
It could be a moment to make people more aware of the public transit that comes through.

1298
01:04:51,490 --> 01:04:52,650
Downtown, we have two.

1299
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:57,010
Bus lines, they're not great. They're both half hour, not 15 minute, but you know.

1300
01:04:57,130 --> 01:04:59,210
Their they, their path is OK.

1301
01:05:00,450 --> 01:05:01,370
You know so.

1302
01:05:02,010 --> 01:05:05,650
It's an opportunity biking and walking. I mean, if you if you read.

1303
01:05:05,850 --> 01:05:07,330
What's interesting is you read the.

1304
01:05:07,410 --> 01:05:09,130
Purpose statement of the village.

1305
01:05:09,810 --> 01:05:11,290
Umm, it's intended to be a neighborhood in.

1306
01:05:11,850 --> 01:05:12,370
It's not.

1307
01:05:12,570 --> 01:05:14,930
Turned into that and it's turned into more of a regional draw.

1308
01:05:15,370 --> 01:05:16,050
Which is great.

1309
01:05:17,770 --> 01:05:21,970
Which the primary reason why we want to make sure that we get this intensity.

1310
01:05:22,730 --> 01:05:23,290
Thing.

1311
01:05:26,610 --> 01:05:29,490
Did a just quick along those lines, could a?

1312
01:05:31,150 --> 01:05:33,060
Property owner or a store?

1313
01:05:33,330 --> 01:05:34,450
Sidestep.

1314
01:05:35,130 --> 01:05:38,770
The hours the after hours operation by closing early.

1315
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,040
Like, oh, we're closing early for an event today at noon, and then we're going to have the event at 2:00 during rush hour when all

1316
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,840
the parking stops are Paul.

1317
01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:50,930
The way it's written, potentially yes.

1318
01:05:51,130 --> 01:05:51,330
Mm-hmm.

1319
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:54,950
Not a problem.

1320
01:05:56,010 --> 01:05:59,210
Just trying to think of like, you know, what happens when a business.

1321
01:05:59,330 --> 01:06:01,770
Closes all the time for special events.

1322
01:06:02,050 --> 01:06:05,650
On a regular basis, after hours to try and sidestep.

1323
01:06:06,050 --> 01:06:09,770
The order just that's how my mind works, you know, I'm the what if guy.

1324
01:06:10,450 --> 01:06:13,170
I think the way that it's written so that it.

1325
01:06:13,450 --> 01:06:14,370
As long as.

1326
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:16,330
You know you don't have all of your.

1327
01:06:17,050 --> 01:06:19,730
Tenants or not tenants, your patrons.

1328
01:06:20,290 --> 01:06:24,070
Still occupying those parking stalls. I mean that's I think that's the point of having off hours if they're closing and there's a

1329
01:06:24,070 --> 01:06:27,850
high intensity retailer like Harmons.

1330
01:06:28,650 --> 01:06:30,090
And then all of a sudden you have.

1331
01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:32,180
80 parking stalls available.

1332
01:06:33,290 --> 01:06:34,250
And the other.

1333
01:06:34,330 --> 01:06:37,210
Point I wanted to make is on line 21.

1334
01:06:38,140 --> 01:06:39,740
If the idea of.

1335
01:06:39,850 --> 01:06:42,370
Temporary basis is appropriate.

1336
01:06:42,450 --> 01:06:43,810
You know it talks about.

1337
01:06:44,490 --> 01:06:46,890
What types of use is? How many people should be there?

1338
01:06:47,250 --> 01:06:49,530
And then on a temporary basis?

1339
01:06:49,890 --> 01:06:55,290
That's arbitrary and that would be difficult for staff to enforce, but I think it's flexible enough.

1340
01:06:55,370 --> 01:06:56,210
To have.

1341
01:06:57,970 --> 01:06:59,570
Us presume like, well, you're.

1342
01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:01,690
You're having these every other day.

1343
01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:04,020
Every single week.

1344
01:07:04,410 --> 01:07:07,570
That's a regular basis and that's not a temporary situation.

1345
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,100
Or you're doing it.

1346
01:07:10,530 --> 01:07:12,290
You know, whatever the case may be.

1347
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:16,310
Right. And that that might be a really great question to ask. You know we've got a couple of the business owners as well here what

1348
01:07:16,310 --> 01:07:19,890
they would intend to use.

1349
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:21,820
Temporary basis for.

1350
01:07:21,930 --> 01:07:24,530
Right. Or if we have a definition of temporary.

1351
01:07:25,390 --> 01:07:25,740
Sure.

1352
01:07:25,890 --> 01:07:27,090
As applicable.

1353
01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:31,010
So, but I guess we should, since we do have the public hearing.

1354
01:07:31,330 --> 01:07:32,450
Still open.

1355
01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:36,830
And we do have a couple applicants here. We can definitely, I think we've heard from one of them, but we can invite them to come

1356
01:07:36,830 --> 01:07:39,890
up and.

1357
01:07:40,690 --> 01:07:42,130
Read address some of the.

1358
01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:44,370
Because this wasn't available originally, was it?

1359
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,620
No, OK, but it has been provided to.

1360
01:07:47,810 --> 01:07:49,170
The business owners, OK.

1361
01:07:49,450 --> 01:07:53,810
Well, with that, if either business owner wants to come up or both business owners want to come up.

1362
01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:55,170
And address this.

1363
01:08:01,020 --> 01:08:02,020
Isaac Jackson.

1364
01:08:02,660 --> 01:08:03,460
It's good to be back.

1365
01:08:05,090 --> 01:08:09,930
I'm here to answer any questions that you might have I think.

1366
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:11,980
The main what I.

1367
01:08:13,110 --> 01:08:16,950
I also want to express just gratitude for the hard work that Jonathan's put into this. Like, there's no way I could have done this

1368
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:20,790
and he's thought of.

1369
01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:26,730
A lot of the things that are going to be super helpful for what we're trying to accomplish and just the time.

1370
01:08:26,810 --> 01:08:30,450
And energy that you guys have taken to review it and the questions?

1371
01:08:30,970 --> 01:08:32,050
I love the.

1372
01:08:32,810 --> 01:08:33,570
Because we don't.

1373
01:08:33,930 --> 01:08:35,890
We don't want to cause problems.

1374
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:39,230
Or other businesses too. And we don't want to cause something that they're going to then take advantage of, kind of like what you

1375
01:08:39,230 --> 01:08:42,490
were saying then.

1376
01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:44,770
Or we.

1377
01:08:44,850 --> 01:08:48,330
Definitely don't want to ruin anything that's happening at Caputo's, right? Like with their job, because that's delightful and

1378
01:08:48,330 --> 01:08:51,810
it's wonderful and.

1379
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:53,850
We actually have a lot of people that will.

1380
01:08:54,570 --> 01:08:56,130
Walk past our storefront.

1381
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:57,330
To get.

1382
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:58,010
To that.

1383
01:08:58,170 --> 01:08:59,730
And they'll go like, wait a second.

1384
01:09:00,650 --> 01:09:02,290
Gallery here and they'll pop in.

1385
01:09:02,370 --> 01:09:03,970
On their way over there.

1386
01:09:04,130 --> 01:09:05,050
And so.

1387
01:09:05,410 --> 01:09:07,690
I think that main header is.

1388
01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:10,090
Apropos is that we're trying to.

1389
01:09:10,850 --> 01:09:14,530
Elevate and to create a community.

1390
01:09:14,890 --> 01:09:18,650
Arts and culture and be a part of that, that what I think the city of Holiday is trying to bolster at the moment. So the timing is

1391
01:09:18,650 --> 01:09:22,410
just.

1392
01:09:22,770 --> 01:09:25,610
We just feel lucky that we're going to be a part of that and.

1393
01:09:25,930 --> 01:09:27,090
Talk to Megan.

1394
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:29,850
A lot about that too and how we can collaborate.

1395
01:09:29,970 --> 01:09:35,460
With some of the concerts that she's wants to do and and the performances that she wants to bring in, how can we?

1396
01:09:35,610 --> 01:09:37,250
Provide an auxiliary.

1397
01:09:37,650 --> 01:09:39,890
Space and a place that.

1398
01:09:40,990 --> 01:09:45,985
That could happen in conjunction with with what the city of Holiday is trying to to accomplish. So just appreciate the thoughts

1399
01:09:45,985 --> 01:09:50,980
and the concerns about everybody in in.

1400
01:09:51,090 --> 01:09:51,890
In the city.

1401
01:09:53,350 --> 01:09:55,180
And with this ordinance meet.

1402
01:09:55,290 --> 01:09:57,970
The needs that you are expressing the last time you were here.

1403
01:09:58,370 --> 01:10:00,490
In order to have your recitals.

1404
01:10:00,730 --> 01:10:01,490
Definitely, uh.

1405
01:10:01,570 --> 01:10:01,930
OK.

1406
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:05,770
As a business owner.

1407
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:11,100
What do you fill your recitals would operate on as a definition of temporary?

1408
01:10:13,810 --> 01:10:15,130
The recitals.

1409
01:10:15,810 --> 01:10:16,730
I don't know.

1410
01:10:18,270 --> 01:10:23,070
This is something that's going to be continuous with the Steinway Piano Gallery is part of.

1411
01:10:23,410 --> 01:10:26,650
What a Steinway gallery offers to.

1412
01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:28,460
Teachers that are.

1413
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:32,690
Local to Utah and piano students and so.

1414
01:10:33,210 --> 01:10:34,410
This is something that.

1415
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:37,130
Is not happening every single day.

1416
01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:39,450
That's not our primary.

1417
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:43,010
Purpose for providing A Steinway gallery to.

1418
01:10:43,170 --> 01:10:43,890
To Utah.

1419
01:10:44,210 --> 01:10:45,290
But it is like.

1420
01:10:45,410 --> 01:10:49,330
This is proposing is an auxiliary use.

1421
01:10:49,770 --> 01:10:50,650
And so.

1422
01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:57,610
Temporary would be. It's not happening every single day, but it is after hours and it is usually on like a.

1423
01:10:58,370 --> 01:11:00,690
A Friday night or a Saturday night?

1424
01:11:00,850 --> 01:11:05,170
During those times when those teachers can get the most attendance.

1425
01:11:05,730 --> 01:11:07,090
They're battling.

1426
01:11:07,730 --> 01:11:09,970
I was a teacher for 2025 years and you're.

1427
01:11:10,050 --> 01:11:14,970
Constantly battling sports events and like who can be there when and so.

1428
01:11:15,170 --> 01:11:17,410
They're constantly changing, but we have.

1429
01:11:17,770 --> 01:11:19,450
Schedules that they can then.

1430
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:20,850
Schedule that time.

1431
01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:24,170
So once to twice a week would still be.

1432
01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:25,770
In your mind, temporary.

1433
01:11:26,050 --> 01:11:27,090
In this language.

1434
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:32,790
Twice a week would probably be better if we're leaning towards the two to three times a week.

1435
01:11:33,490 --> 01:11:35,210
OK, that I just.

1436
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:40,570
Like I said, I want to understand when we say temporary because you know you could have if it gets really popular.

1437
01:11:40,730 --> 01:11:42,170
Every night, right?

1438
01:11:42,570 --> 01:11:45,130
There there are times of the year that are more.

1439
01:11:45,650 --> 01:11:46,930
Popular SO.

1440
01:11:48,010 --> 01:11:50,210
A lot of teachers will do their.

1441
01:11:50,690 --> 01:11:54,490
Two lesson 2 recitals a year. It's usually like.

1442
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:55,850
And then?

1443
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:59,850
December is a big one because that's like the Christmas time.

1444
01:12:00,170 --> 01:12:03,450
I with my studio was transitioning towards.

1445
01:12:04,090 --> 01:12:06,290
A Halloween one, right? So there's.

1446
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:10,770
There's sort of seasonal recitals that are super fun that will do like.

1447
01:12:12,130 --> 01:12:16,610
Music, movie themes during the holiday the the Halloween.

1448
01:12:16,730 --> 01:12:21,650
Recital or you know, but Christmas is a big one, so December there will be a lot.

1449
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:23,450
And then in like.

1450
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:27,130
The May when school is getting out and kids.

1451
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:27,890
Starting.

1452
01:12:28,610 --> 01:12:29,690
Vacation so.

1453
01:12:29,810 --> 01:12:30,730
That could be.

1454
01:12:30,850 --> 01:12:31,930
Temporary use.

1455
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:33,530
Considered as well.

1456
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:34,450
So got you.

1457
01:12:35,170 --> 01:12:35,570
OK.

1458
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:38,130
Appreciate that other questions for the applicant.

1459
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,220
All right. Thank you.

1460
01:12:44,170 --> 01:12:46,050
Question for staff, if it's all right.

1461
01:12:46,810 --> 01:12:49,210
I know that you wrote the code, but is this?

1462
01:12:49,330 --> 01:12:51,770
With some of the changes we're suggesting still.

1463
01:12:52,170 --> 01:12:53,610
Addressing how?

1464
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:55,650
You can use the code to your.

1465
01:12:55,770 --> 01:12:57,050
The benefit you're hoping?

1466
01:12:57,450 --> 01:13:00,490
For I don't want to take away the.

1467
01:13:00,650 --> 01:13:01,970
Flexibility that.

1468
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:04,180
I mean to me the.

1469
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:06,090
Idea of temporary.

1470
01:13:07,060 --> 01:13:09,820
Just went through the roof. I mean as far as the.

1471
01:13:09,930 --> 01:13:10,930
Multiplicity of.

1472
01:13:11,290 --> 01:13:12,850
How many times that could be?

1473
01:13:13,210 --> 01:13:14,930
Based on the time of year so.

1474
01:13:15,570 --> 01:13:18,490
I think you're going to need to figure out a way to manage that.

1475
01:13:19,170 --> 01:13:21,860
And I want to be able to give you the mechanism to do that.

1476
01:13:22,770 --> 01:13:24,250
Yeah, I appreciate that.

1477
01:13:25,010 --> 01:13:25,890
It does leave a.

1478
01:13:26,050 --> 01:13:27,090
Sort of open-ended.

1479
01:13:28,090 --> 01:13:28,770
But I do.

1480
01:13:29,170 --> 01:13:30,490
Believe that it is.

1481
01:13:30,570 --> 01:13:33,130
It depending on the enforcement.

1482
01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:37,180
Individual who's applying this code? Either me or somebody else.

1483
01:13:37,650 --> 01:13:42,410
That the intent would be to apply temporary based upon what the primary use is.

1484
01:13:43,570 --> 01:13:45,850
In this case it's a recital session that's.

1485
01:13:46,530 --> 01:13:48,810
Rotating basis through seasons.

1486
01:13:49,690 --> 01:13:52,690
Whether that's Granados, you have it every weekend.

1487
01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:55,210
For them, that's temporary.

1488
01:13:56,050 --> 01:13:58,730
On a temporary basis or a temporary engagement type?

1489
01:13:58,970 --> 01:13:59,730
Situation. Umm.

1490
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,540
But I could see somebody taking advantage of that too.

1491
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:09,450
I don't believe I have temporary defined in the ordinance.

1492
01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:16,360
But I think, you know, we rely on the individual who's actually enforcing that ordinance, but.

1493
01:14:17,450 --> 01:14:20,370
If you wanted to keep in temporary as not to exceed.

1494
01:14:20,530 --> 01:14:21,770
A number of individual.

1495
01:14:24,220 --> 01:14:25,140
Engagements.

1496
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:27,210
Per month, year I mean.

1497
01:14:27,770 --> 01:14:32,770
For example, right off the top of my head, I'm thinking in your code you have the allowance for.

1498
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,180
Garage sales Believe it or not, garage sales are regulated.

1499
01:14:36,490 --> 01:14:37,700
You can only have 3.

1500
01:14:37,850 --> 01:14:38,410
A year.

1501
01:14:39,210 --> 01:14:41,130
That's temporary for garage sales.

1502
01:14:43,530 --> 01:14:45,770
So if you wanted to place a number that.

1503
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:47,540
I think that would be.

1504
01:14:47,650 --> 01:14:52,050
Beneficial might potentially for at least the Planning Commission of the public's point of view.

1505
01:14:52,370 --> 01:14:55,970
That could be something that you could recommend the City Council to come up with.

1506
01:14:56,570 --> 01:15:00,650
Umm, but right now, the way it's written.

1507
01:15:00,970 --> 01:15:04,250
I believe for, at least from my point of view, I can use that term.

1508
01:15:05,010 --> 01:15:07,930
To enforce something that's occurring.

1509
01:15:08,370 --> 01:15:10,330
Regularly or more than temporary.

1510
01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:13,300
Would sorry go?

1511
01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:15,410
Would it be helpful to?

1512
01:15:15,490 --> 01:15:16,610
Sort of spell out.

1513
01:15:17,740 --> 01:15:22,260
That we like, we know that there's some sort of interaction so.

1514
01:15:23,050 --> 01:15:24,170
Five different.

1515
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,700
Umm businesses wanted to host an event on the same night.

1516
01:15:29,130 --> 01:15:32,470
That impact will be higher, even though it's temporary for all of them, and that might need to be mitigated in a different way

1517
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:35,810
that if they.

1518
01:15:36,010 --> 01:15:38,930
You know, rolled it out once per week or was on a different night.

1519
01:15:39,170 --> 01:15:41,570
And allow you to do that? Or is that not?

1520
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:44,290
That's just so rigid that we don't need to do that.

1521
01:15:45,410 --> 01:15:48,330
I think the only way to do that would be through a conditional use permit.

1522
01:15:50,350 --> 01:15:52,500
I mean, really, this is where my mind's at, like.

1523
01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:56,010
I'm all about what Steinway's doing, just to be clear.

1524
01:15:56,130 --> 01:15:56,970
I think it's great.

1525
01:15:57,050 --> 01:16:01,940
Right, beautiful piano studio if you haven't been in there like it's a great gallery and.

1526
01:16:02,090 --> 01:16:05,690
I would love to do a recital there if I had the talent to be worthy of it, right?

1527
01:16:07,010 --> 01:16:08,370
That being said.

1528
01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:11,450
What we're doing with the text amendment now.

1529
01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:14,620
Opens the door for a lot of things in the future.

1530
01:16:15,130 --> 01:16:18,850
And that's why I just like to make sure there's the checks, balances and some kind of guardrails on some of the ambiguity so you

1531
01:16:18,850 --> 01:16:22,570
don't have someone coming in and.

1532
01:16:23,610 --> 01:16:24,530
Being a bad.

1533
01:16:26,530 --> 01:16:30,410
Or maybe not even intentionally, but causing a problem.

1534
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:31,850
Because of that ambiguity.

1535
01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:34,650
I mean, John, is there a way to do a trial run?

1536
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,800
Before this is codified.

1537
01:16:38,290 --> 01:16:43,330
Definitely you and see if there's a that we can work the bugs out by just having a few of these.

1538
01:16:44,780 --> 01:16:49,380
You there are in theory and in practice there has been.

1539
01:16:49,730 --> 01:16:53,940
Sunset dates to ordinances to have them forcibly be re reviewed by.

1540
01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:55,050
The the city.

1541
01:16:56,450 --> 01:16:59,490
OK, you can have that in the text number to say up until.

1542
01:17:00,050 --> 01:17:06,690
December of 2027 this is your ordinance and upon which time it will expire until and then it gets re reviewed.

1543
01:17:07,210 --> 01:17:07,650
Yes.

1544
01:17:08,770 --> 01:17:09,610
Yeah, OK.

1545
01:17:10,290 --> 01:17:13,770
With that and the way it's written now, these are allowable.

1546
01:17:14,910 --> 01:17:18,985
These are allowable accessory uses, not conditional use. They wouldn't come before us, but we could put a sunset and be like in

1547
01:17:18,985 --> 01:17:23,060
two years we talk to you guys and say.

1548
01:17:23,170 --> 01:17:23,810
Did it work?

1549
01:17:24,330 --> 01:17:27,450
That would be one option. The other option is to look at your table.

1550
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:28,930
And change the P to C.

1551
01:17:29,450 --> 01:17:30,330
And that just.

1552
01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:32,090
Forces it to come straight to you.

1553
01:17:32,690 --> 01:17:36,690
To talk about these things, I don't know. I don't want to overdo it. We don't want it.

1554
01:17:36,850 --> 01:17:38,130
Reviewing every.

1555
01:17:38,290 --> 01:17:39,210
Recital.

1556
01:17:40,350 --> 01:17:41,860
That we hope you're getting.

1557
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,180
Because that could.

1558
01:17:44,410 --> 01:17:46,050
That could eat up entire meetings.

1559
01:17:46,250 --> 01:17:48,690
Yeah. And also I think it makes the timeline for for.

1560
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:53,050
The business for business could even get approval on it. Yeah, that's.

1561
01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:57,290
I mean we want holiday to be easy to do business with and in.

1562
01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:58,730
Right. Like like.

1563
01:17:58,810 --> 01:18:00,050
I get it again.

1564
01:18:00,170 --> 01:18:02,410
What the applicants are proposing?

1565
01:18:02,530 --> 01:18:04,210
I'm all about it. I think it's great.

1566
01:18:04,570 --> 01:18:07,730
It's just the people that aren't the applicants that could.

1567
01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:09,090
Potentially go.

1568
01:18:09,410 --> 01:18:12,715
You know, I'm I'm of the opinion you give an inch, they take a mile and I'm just trying to think like, OK, how do we keep that

1569
01:18:12,715 --> 01:18:16,020
mile from getting taken?

1570
01:18:19,410 --> 01:18:20,770
I think the sunset date is.

1571
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:22,780
It is an interesting concept.

1572
01:18:23,010 --> 01:18:25,890
I don't believe this Planning Commission or even the previous has.

1573
01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:29,020
I haven't looked at doing it have done anything like that since.

1574
01:18:29,210 --> 01:18:29,930
For quite a while.

1575
01:18:30,970 --> 01:18:32,130
I think it's it's useful.

1576
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,820
Especially if you're treading waters that you've never.

1577
01:18:36,090 --> 01:18:40,130
Before well, it just seems like there's a lot of openness in this.

1578
01:18:40,330 --> 01:18:41,690
As far as temporary?

1579
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,420
You know, volume of noise, all this other stuff.

1580
01:18:45,810 --> 01:18:47,370
And the types of events.

1581
01:18:47,570 --> 01:18:53,450
So I'm fine with the sunset if you want to do that. Otherwise I'll let staff just.

1582
01:18:53,570 --> 01:18:54,890
Be in charge of this and.

1583
01:18:55,630 --> 01:19:00,940
You can come back to us with changes if you find that it's losing, it's getting out of control or.

1584
01:19:01,090 --> 01:19:02,890
It's working perfectly so.

1585
01:19:04,940 --> 01:19:09,820
Yeah, I'm trying to think of what another word could potentially be just replaced there. That would be simple.

1586
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:16,460
I mean striking temporary and putting in limited basis.

1587
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,920
Um, or.

1588
01:19:22,770 --> 01:19:24,650
You're similarly squashy though.

1589
01:19:24,890 --> 01:19:28,170
Infrequent. I mean, what? They're all whatever.

1590
01:19:28,290 --> 01:19:33,010
Adjective. You replace it with. It's still going to be ambiguous, right? Got super technical.

1591
01:19:33,730 --> 01:19:34,770
9:00 to 5:00.

1592
01:19:36,610 --> 01:19:37,530
You know every.

1593
01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:41,860
Considering it on a full year's worth of hours.

1594
01:19:42,250 --> 01:19:43,100
20%.

1595
01:19:43,610 --> 01:19:45,540
Your open hours during the year.

1596
01:19:46,290 --> 01:19:47,570
That's quantifiable.

1597
01:19:47,850 --> 01:19:49,850
Something like that. I mean, that's super arbitrary.

1598
01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:53,050
Right, that's what I was thinking too. Something that is.

1599
01:19:53,170 --> 01:19:55,250
That in the code.

1600
01:19:55,530 --> 01:19:56,450
Calls to like.

1601
01:19:56,530 --> 01:20:01,570
In relation to the nature of the business, which is what you're getting to with the.

1602
01:20:02,010 --> 01:20:04,010
The percentage of open hours than.

1603
01:20:04,130 --> 01:20:04,570
This.

1604
01:20:05,090 --> 01:20:09,370
Maybe just changing the text to in relation to the nature of?

1605
01:20:09,610 --> 01:20:11,810
The how the business is operating.

1606
01:20:14,820 --> 01:20:16,180
Meaning if they're open for.

1607
01:20:16,530 --> 01:20:20,090
30 hours a week at some proportion 60 hours a week, whatever it is.

1608
01:20:20,730 --> 01:20:22,330
Or is that type of business?

1609
01:20:22,930 --> 01:20:25,610
Because I think we get into all kinds of troubles if we start.

1610
01:20:27,870 --> 01:20:30,220
You know, it's like reading out certain uses.

1611
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,220
That, we think is inappropriate. That isn't.

1612
01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:35,650
To some people or.

1613
01:20:35,850 --> 01:20:37,730
Yeah, if we're arbitrating taste.

1614
01:20:37,970 --> 01:20:40,850
Right. Well, and that's why I think we ought to just let this.

1615
01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:44,010
Get this started and start seeing how it's working and.

1616
01:20:44,990 --> 01:20:49,630
See if there's problems and we've repair those at another point because you can dictate.

1617
01:20:49,890 --> 01:20:52,650
Coming back to us and saying looks like we've had problems.

1618
01:20:52,770 --> 01:20:55,570
Here we need to modify this or tighten it up here.

1619
01:20:56,210 --> 01:21:01,330
We don't even need to do a sunset. We can just let the staff determine whether it's working or not and come back to us. Yeah.

1620
01:21:01,410 --> 01:21:02,610
Is that workable enough?

1621
01:21:02,850 --> 01:21:03,850
For you and staff.

1622
01:21:04,050 --> 01:21:04,690
Definitely.

1623
01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:05,530
OK, I mean.

1624
01:21:05,730 --> 01:21:09,580
Well, I yeah, and I would fully expect that the Council would have that opinion as well.

1625
01:21:10,010 --> 01:21:11,770
You know, because I think they want.

1626
01:21:12,050 --> 01:21:12,650
This kind of.

1627
01:21:12,930 --> 01:21:14,970
Of activity and business.

1628
01:21:15,090 --> 01:21:16,290
To be in holiday.

1629
01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:16,970
So.

1630
01:21:19,490 --> 01:21:22,650
Can I ask one more question that's about the high intensity even though it's not?

1631
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:24,250
Currently applicable anywhere.

1632
01:21:26,180 --> 01:21:26,300
Umm.

1633
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:30,780
How does this?

1634
01:21:31,330 --> 01:21:33,410
I'm thinking specifically of the kiln.

1635
01:21:34,410 --> 01:21:36,770
In the holiday hills.

1636
01:21:37,210 --> 01:21:37,940
Which is.

1637
01:21:38,090 --> 01:21:41,610
Explicitly sort of multi use. You can rent rooms there for.

1638
01:21:42,170 --> 01:21:43,330
Work but also.

1639
01:21:43,850 --> 01:21:46,010
Stand up comedy specifically or.

1640
01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:52,770
I don't know a magic show. Does that layer on to what they allow already in their space because they're already zoned for that.

1641
01:21:53,130 --> 01:21:55,490
Does that change what they're allowed to do?

1642
01:21:56,620 --> 01:21:58,340
No, I think it would refine.

1643
01:21:58,610 --> 01:22:03,060
Whatever they're doing right now to bolster the fact that that just.

1644
01:22:03,730 --> 01:22:04,650
Encourages it.

1645
01:22:04,970 --> 01:22:05,890
To.

1646
01:22:06,450 --> 01:22:07,210
Right now.

1647
01:22:07,290 --> 01:22:10,090
They they have some of those types of events, special events.

1648
01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:11,450
With.

1649
01:22:11,930 --> 01:22:14,010
Alcohol or wine tastings?

1650
01:22:14,130 --> 01:22:15,820
Which they have to still have to go through.

1651
01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:17,650
The city and the state, anyway.

1652
01:22:18,850 --> 01:22:20,130
But if they were to have.

1653
01:22:21,250 --> 01:22:23,650
A live act that was either admission or.

1654
01:22:23,770 --> 01:22:24,490
Or not, Umm.

1655
01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:32,740
Entertainment is already built into the SDMP as a land use, so that would be considered already something that they could do.

1656
01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:40,340
So they don't, they don't need to come back to us and ask for this high intensity to be zoned on there because it already.

1657
01:22:40,730 --> 01:22:42,540
A lot of those events already exist.

1658
01:22:42,650 --> 01:22:46,450
Yeah, right. The the idea here is that this is.

1659
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:52,160
This is ancillary, so this would be an accessory too. So for example if.

1660
01:22:52,330 --> 01:22:53,570
The store or.

1661
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:56,030
That's not a very good example.

1662
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,020
Fly fishing tack.

1663
01:22:59,130 --> 01:23:00,930
Yeah, flight. Oh yeah, sure.

1664
01:23:02,010 --> 01:23:03,810
Flight tech wanted to have.

1665
01:23:03,930 --> 01:23:04,770
Magic show.

1666
01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:10,250
As an accessory, use continually as they just to get people in the door.

1667
01:23:10,730 --> 01:23:13,170
They can have it as an accessory use to their.

1668
01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:16,530
Right, so essentially there's 2 uses happening in one space.

1669
01:23:18,740 --> 01:23:20,780
Under this or currently they can do that.

1670
01:23:23,850 --> 01:23:26,570
I don't even think currently they could do something like that.

1671
01:23:28,340 --> 01:23:31,900
But they would have to have this text amendment applied to their.

1672
01:23:32,570 --> 01:23:33,170
Zone.

1673
01:23:34,570 --> 01:23:35,290
In order to.

1674
01:23:35,410 --> 01:23:37,130
Facilitate something like that.

1675
01:23:37,490 --> 01:23:40,010
And that, that's a really good point.

1676
01:23:41,010 --> 01:23:43,210
In the at the end of this year and pretty much.

1677
01:23:43,290 --> 01:23:46,660
The beginning of all of next, I think I mentioned that you'll be reviewing.

1678
01:23:47,170 --> 01:23:48,530
All of Title 13.

1679
01:23:49,090 --> 01:23:50,210
Which would be of excellent.

1680
01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:54,170
Time to bring this back and let you know whether or not it's working.

1681
01:23:54,690 --> 01:23:58,490
And that would be the time we would start looking at other zones that to apply.

1682
01:23:58,610 --> 01:23:59,930
High intensity use.

1683
01:24:00,210 --> 01:24:01,170
Accessory use.

1684
01:24:02,450 --> 01:24:03,370
In other zones.

1685
01:24:04,420 --> 01:24:05,460
So that chart is you.

1686
01:24:05,530 --> 01:24:07,890
Go down to the chart, you'd start to fill in the zones.

1687
01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:09,130
Where it would be permitted?

1688
01:24:09,570 --> 01:24:10,610
Or not allowed at all.

1689
01:24:11,290 --> 01:24:14,380
Like your residential zones, that would not be something that you'd want there.

1690
01:24:16,180 --> 01:24:18,300
I see. So if a business has.

1691
01:24:18,450 --> 01:24:20,570
This kind of thing as their primary use.

1692
01:24:20,650 --> 01:24:24,670
That's already fine. That's covered. It's those accessory uses that this is specifically addressing, right? So in your PO zone,

1693
01:24:24,670 --> 01:24:28,690
for example, that's only professional office. Uh-huh.

1694
01:24:29,050 --> 01:24:31,250
But if they wanted for their clients or whomever.

1695
01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:34,610
You know a comedy act in there You could add accessory.

1696
01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:37,090
Arts and culture high intensity to.

1697
01:24:37,210 --> 01:24:37,930
The PO zone.

1698
01:24:39,530 --> 01:24:41,170
OK, great.

1699
01:24:41,290 --> 01:24:41,970
That's helpful.

1700
01:24:43,220 --> 01:24:45,180
I would hope there would be parameters in like.

1701
01:24:45,250 --> 01:24:48,170
Size space that would allow high intensity.

1702
01:24:49,300 --> 01:24:50,580
Right, like you wouldn't let.

1703
01:24:50,690 --> 01:24:53,090
High intensity move into the old Wendy's.

1704
01:24:53,250 --> 01:24:55,610
Yeah, and we would need to look at parking, yeah.

1705
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:57,500
Absolutely.

1706
01:24:57,610 --> 01:24:57,970
Right.

1707
01:25:00,830 --> 01:25:05,900
OK, what do we feel? Oh, and it is a public hearing. I'm sorry. We're just like way over here and I'm.

1708
01:25:06,090 --> 01:25:11,095
Lost in my own mind thinking of a family fishing magician over here. It's great. Was there anyone else here tonight that wanted to

1709
01:25:11,095 --> 01:25:16,100
make comment on the public hearing for this?

1710
01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:20,250
OK. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing then.

1711
01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:23,250
So that said.

1712
01:25:23,370 --> 01:25:24,810
Do we feel like.

1713
01:25:25,050 --> 01:25:29,810
For a motion on this to night, we want to add a revisit or a sunset. Or do we just want to?

1714
01:25:30,330 --> 01:25:33,290
Let it go and City will let us know if there's.

1715
01:25:33,490 --> 01:25:34,330
Issues umm.

1716
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:36,020
Let's just let it go.

1717
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:39,770
We want to add that outdoor for the low intensity.

1718
01:25:41,050 --> 01:25:43,130
I'm keeping track, so I do have an amendment.

1719
01:25:43,250 --> 01:25:45,210
On line 19 to add outdoor.

1720
01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:49,930
There's a caveat for the outdoor though, wasn't it?

1721
01:25:50,170 --> 01:25:52,690
Based on noise or yeah, we can.

1722
01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:55,530
We can put in.

1723
01:25:56,290 --> 01:25:58,980
A reference to the noise ordinance as well, yes.

1724
01:26:01,780 --> 01:26:03,660
Do we need to mention that?

1725
01:26:03,770 --> 01:26:05,210
Amendment, then, when we.

1726
01:26:06,010 --> 01:26:07,290
Yeah, OK.

1727
01:26:09,130 --> 01:26:12,530
And I assume this goes without having to put it in there but like.

1728
01:26:12,610 --> 01:26:14,210
Someone doing an outdoor.

1729
01:26:16,290 --> 01:26:20,330
Concert photography, whatever they're doing under this amendment.

1730
01:26:20,890 --> 01:26:22,050
They still have to like.

1731
01:26:22,530 --> 01:26:27,810
Mitigate like cutting off the sidewalk and preventing access and those kind of things, yes.

1732
01:26:28,050 --> 01:26:29,210
Yeah, yeah.

1733
01:26:32,150 --> 01:26:35,110
I just want to make sure we don't have to call that out safety first.

1734
01:26:35,730 --> 01:26:36,330
Yeah, OK.

1735
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:39,380
I'm ready, go for it.

1736
01:26:41,370 --> 01:26:45,610
I, Commissioner Prince, moved to forward to the City Council a recommendation to approve.

1737
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:50,970
A joint proposal by holiday business owners and community and economic development staff.

1738
01:26:51,450 --> 01:26:56,770
To amend various sections of Title 13 as they pertain to defining and permitting.

1739
01:26:56,890 --> 01:26:59,170
Arts and cultural land uses.

1740
01:26:59,410 --> 01:27:01,050
As accessory uses.

1741
01:27:01,250 --> 01:27:03,770
Based upon the following findings.

1742
01:27:03,890 --> 01:27:04,890
That the amendment.

1743
01:27:06,890 --> 01:27:08,660
Findings one through 4.

1744
01:27:08,770 --> 01:27:10,210
Plus the.

1745
01:27:11,970 --> 01:27:13,410
Outdoor to.

1746
01:27:13,530 --> 01:27:15,180
Line 19.

1747
01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:18,450
19 Arts and culture low intensity.

1748
01:27:19,870 --> 01:27:23,620
And a reference to the noise with with a reference to the noise ordinance.

1749
01:27:24,380 --> 01:27:24,900
I second.

1750
01:27:25,690 --> 01:27:28,610
Commissioner Gong has seconded. Will call for a vote. Commissioner Barron.

1751
01:27:28,810 --> 01:27:29,890
Hi, Mr. Gone.

1752
01:27:30,010 --> 01:27:31,370
Aye, Mr. Prince, aye.

1753
01:27:31,490 --> 01:27:34,010
Mr. Trippany Aye and Chair Roach votes.

1754
01:27:34,770 --> 01:27:36,170
So Next up.

1755
01:27:36,250 --> 01:27:37,010
City Council.

1756
01:27:37,130 --> 01:27:37,810
Thank you.

1757
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:39,340
Next up party.

1758
01:27:42,610 --> 01:27:49,370
All right, that takes us to the third action item tonight, which is the approval of minutes.

1759
01:27:49,610 --> 01:27:51,090
We have to approve.

1760
01:27:51,330 --> 01:27:56,610
Four different sets of minutes. I think I did this before though. We can do the all in favor thing, right?

1761
01:27:56,770 --> 01:28:00,990
Yeah, we're going to rock right through this. So Chair Roach is going to broke protocol and I'm just going to go ahead and make

1762
01:28:00,990 --> 01:28:05,210
these motions one at a time and we're going to fly through them.

1763
01:28:05,770 --> 01:28:11,610
I make a motion to approve minutes from 5526. All in favor. Aye aye. Any opposed?

1764
01:28:11,850 --> 01:28:17,650
OK. And I'll make motion Approved minutes 51926 all in favor, aye?

1765
01:28:17,890 --> 01:28:19,090
Aye, any opposed?

1766
01:28:19,210 --> 01:28:20,530
OK. And.

1767
01:28:21,250 --> 01:28:22,810
Make a motion to approve.

1768
01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:28,050
Minutes, 6226. All in favor? Aye aye. Any opposed?

1769
01:28:28,890 --> 01:28:36,090
All right, and I make a motion to approve minutes 6/16/26. All in favor. Aye aye. Any opposed?

1770
01:28:36,250 --> 01:28:43,940
And there takes our minutes. So that leaves us with the 4th and final item on our agenda tonight, which is the election.

1771
01:28:44,090 --> 01:28:50,770
Of Planning Commission chair and vice chair, this says 26 to 28, but doesn't it only have to be for one year?

1772
01:28:52,090 --> 01:28:52,850
Like I know they.

1773
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:55,050
It's, it's one year, OK.

1774
01:28:56,050 --> 01:29:00,170
This is 26 to 27. Your three years would be your term.

1775
01:29:00,730 --> 01:29:02,970
But your chair reserves for one year.

1776
01:29:03,010 --> 01:29:04,180
Vice Chair Service for one year.

1777
01:29:06,910 --> 01:29:07,470
And I know.

1778
01:29:08,010 --> 01:29:13,610
I believe Vice Chair had some questions about language on that, so I'm going to turn that over to you.

1779
01:29:13,810 --> 01:29:14,450
Yes, I.

1780
01:29:15,170 --> 01:29:16,490
Think it is.

1781
01:29:17,690 --> 01:29:19,610
Something we should consider that if.

1782
01:29:19,930 --> 01:29:22,730
The Planning Commission is.

1783
01:29:23,210 --> 01:29:25,730
Happy with the performance of the.

1784
01:29:26,290 --> 01:29:29,500
Existing chair, The current chair that they be allowed to.

1785
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:36,140
Be nominated to serve another term and that they should not be term limited and I wanted to discuss that.

1786
01:29:40,940 --> 01:29:42,580
That seems reasonable to me.

1787
01:29:43,010 --> 01:29:46,430
Is that I was waiting for John to say something, but he didn't say anything and neither Terry. So is that a law change though that

1788
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:49,850
would have to happen?

1789
01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:54,170
I would recommend that you actually go in and change their bylaws.

1790
01:29:54,850 --> 01:29:55,810
I don't have that.

1791
01:29:56,210 --> 01:29:59,410
Noted or noticed as an amendment.

1792
01:29:59,530 --> 01:30:00,130
Can you?

1793
01:30:00,210 --> 01:30:04,610
But Terry, can you scroll to the bottom of the packet for us? I think it's on page 81.

1794
01:30:04,690 --> 01:30:05,730
Or 82.

1795
01:30:06,250 --> 01:30:07,530
That we're talking about.

1796
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:10,280
There you go, section B.

1797
01:30:12,930 --> 01:30:15,450
Your your chair and vice chair term is one year.

1798
01:30:15,850 --> 01:30:17,210
More than two consecutive.

1799
01:30:17,650 --> 01:30:18,420
Terms.

1800
01:30:18,690 --> 01:30:20,370
So that's so limiting.

1801
01:30:24,850 --> 01:30:28,790
Just want to make sure you have other individuals who would like to have the opportunity to learn from fantastic examples and role

1802
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:32,730
models how to take over.

1803
01:30:33,130 --> 01:30:33,690
Continue.

1804
01:30:34,650 --> 01:30:35,690
I mean, that's true.

1805
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:38,780
I mean.

1806
01:30:38,890 --> 01:30:39,890
Could it be that if?

1807
01:30:41,310 --> 01:30:44,340
Could we suggest an amendment then that?

1808
01:30:44,490 --> 01:30:44,970
If umm.

1809
01:30:46,060 --> 01:30:47,180
No other.

1810
01:30:48,270 --> 01:30:51,980
Commissioners are interested.

1811
01:30:52,570 --> 01:30:57,530
In taking over the chair responsibility, it can be foregone for an extra year.

1812
01:30:57,650 --> 01:30:59,130
That would be defendable.

1813
01:30:59,210 --> 01:31:05,475
Yes. So it's not infinite terms, but like a third term. So unless somebody's like, gosh, I really want to just do that. That was

1814
01:31:05,475 --> 01:31:11,740
like so much fun every meeting. Like if everybody's like, no, I'm good. I like sitting in my corner and doing my thing.

1815
01:31:12,170 --> 01:31:12,930
Like we could.

1816
01:31:13,130 --> 01:31:15,650
Then allow the chair to continue for.

1817
01:31:16,050 --> 01:31:17,370
One year, two years.

1818
01:31:17,490 --> 01:31:20,370
Indefinitely until someone wants someone kicks them off.

1819
01:31:20,610 --> 01:31:24,220
I think maybe just one partly because if each term is 3 years.

1820
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:29,030
So I don't know how the like the rollover dates work.

1821
01:31:29,850 --> 01:31:30,890
Angela's up.

1822
01:31:30,970 --> 01:31:33,130
No, This is why I'm supporting your third time.

1823
01:31:33,490 --> 01:31:37,050
She just knows I'm gone in July next year but I am trying to think about like.

1824
01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:41,540
How much of the Planning Commission rules over every year?

1825
01:31:41,930 --> 01:31:46,330
And how would you layer on because I actually do think it would be helpful to have some, you know?

1826
01:31:46,610 --> 01:31:51,530
At some point, some change, partly because, like you, what you want is like layering leadership, but not.

1827
01:31:52,330 --> 01:31:54,450
But I remember it's about every.

1828
01:31:54,650 --> 01:31:56,610
4th year that we have a major.

1829
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:59,460
And are they on?

1830
01:31:59,970 --> 01:32:01,970
Is it like the Senate where like half of it?

1831
01:32:02,130 --> 01:32:04,050
Yes, yes.

1832
01:32:04,170 --> 01:32:08,930
It's staggered 1/3. So you, Angela, both are commissioners gone.

1833
01:32:09,290 --> 01:32:11,540
There were reappointed just recently.

1834
01:32:11,810 --> 01:32:14,650
So you have three-year terms staggered with.

1835
01:32:15,250 --> 01:32:19,330
Chair Roach and Vice Chair Prince, who are are up next summer.

1836
01:32:20,410 --> 01:32:23,610
And then Trifini and Cunningham, he's got a three, three-year and then we have a new one coming on, which would be another

1837
01:32:23,610 --> 01:32:26,810
three-year term.

1838
01:32:27,210 --> 01:32:27,810
Yes.

1839
01:32:28,610 --> 01:32:29,810
So a good stagger.

1840
01:32:30,170 --> 01:32:33,410
OK, so I think 3 is reasonable. I think more than three starts to feel like.

1841
01:32:33,570 --> 01:32:38,090
Than other people might not learn how to do we need to change out the vice chair.

1842
01:32:38,170 --> 01:32:39,330
Every two years.

1843
01:32:39,450 --> 01:32:45,010
Yes, I think changing out the vice chair will provide an opportunity for someone to be trained.

1844
01:32:45,690 --> 01:32:46,530
And to have.

1845
01:32:46,610 --> 01:32:47,450
To dabble.

1846
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:51,530
Did you say gavel or dabble?

1847
01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:54,690
Both. Little bit of both, yeah.

1848
01:32:56,410 --> 01:32:57,410
Someone took the gavel.

1849
01:33:00,150 --> 01:33:03,620
So if we're going to maintain Dennis as the chair for another year?

1850
01:33:04,930 --> 01:33:06,090
I would recommend that.

1851
01:33:06,610 --> 01:33:09,170
We have Paul Cunningham as the vice chair.

1852
01:33:09,490 --> 01:33:10,890
Oh, what a good.

1853
01:33:11,490 --> 01:33:14,810
9123, not it.

1854
01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:18,250
All right, does anybody else want to raise their hand?

1855
01:33:20,490 --> 01:33:21,650
So we have a motion.

1856
01:33:22,330 --> 01:33:24,210
I just don't want to sit next to him next.

1857
01:33:24,970 --> 01:33:30,690
He won't. He'll be moving down. Put back over there, OK?

1858
01:33:32,210 --> 01:33:33,570
Come on man, I got candy.

1859
01:33:34,090 --> 01:33:38,570
Yeah, so we have a motion for Commissioner Cunningham as Vice Chair.

1860
01:33:39,610 --> 01:33:40,610
And uh.

1861
01:33:41,850 --> 01:33:45,290
What do we need to do to allow if there's not any?

1862
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:47,460
Pressing desire.

1863
01:33:47,890 --> 01:33:49,380
To take over as chair.

1864
01:33:49,490 --> 01:33:50,250
Or to nominate.

1865
01:33:50,490 --> 01:33:52,530
Themselves or another person as chair?

1866
01:33:52,650 --> 01:33:58,810
So if there's no nomination to allow the existing chair to, I think you just let that conversation play out and say based upon.

1867
01:33:58,970 --> 01:34:02,090
No nominations or elections, but we just roll over.

1868
01:34:02,170 --> 01:34:03,970
OK anyone want the job?

1869
01:34:04,490 --> 01:34:07,610
So we have a vote of no confidence except for Dennis.

1870
01:34:09,610 --> 01:34:11,850
I think that's essentially where you're at.

1871
01:34:12,530 --> 01:34:15,290
OK, well then I would suggest.

1872
01:34:16,010 --> 01:34:19,660
That since Dennis is doing an excellent job and that none of us.

1873
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,240
Commissioner Trippany. Commissioner. Prince. Commissioner. Gong, Commissioner.

1874
01:34:24,690 --> 01:34:26,170
Want to do?

1875
01:34:26,250 --> 01:34:27,770
Chair, No, thank you.

1876
01:34:28,170 --> 01:34:29,170
That we could.

1877
01:34:29,290 --> 01:34:32,170
Just have Dennis continue. That would be my suggestion.

1878
01:34:32,290 --> 01:34:33,850
Should I make it as a formal motion?

1879
01:34:34,650 --> 01:34:36,610
I Yes.

1880
01:34:37,250 --> 01:34:39,370
I motioned that Dennis stay on.

1881
01:34:40,140 --> 01:34:41,060
Because.

1882
01:34:41,570 --> 01:34:42,570
We like what he's doing.

1883
01:34:42,970 --> 01:34:43,770
Team Dennis.

1884
01:34:44,850 --> 01:34:47,130
And do we need to make the motion with that for?

1885
01:34:47,210 --> 01:34:48,770
Paul Cunningham. Both, yes.

1886
01:34:49,170 --> 01:34:51,170
And that Paul Cunningham be.

1887
01:34:51,610 --> 01:34:53,890
Nominated and sustained as.

1888
01:34:54,850 --> 01:34:57,620
Commissioner, Chair of the Planning Commission, while he is.

1889
01:34:58,370 --> 01:34:59,210
I second that.

1890
01:34:59,650 --> 01:35:02,250
Bless his heart, bless his heart, yes.

1891
01:35:03,050 --> 01:35:05,570
All right, we have a motion in a second.

1892
01:35:06,130 --> 01:35:08,530
Let's start down here. Commissioner Trippany, hi.

1893
01:35:09,050 --> 01:35:10,090
Mr. Prince, Aye.

1894
01:35:10,290 --> 01:35:12,130
Commissioner gone aye, Commissioner, Baron.

1895
01:35:13,010 --> 01:35:15,490
And Chair Roach will abstain, but it's still passes.

1896
01:35:17,660 --> 01:35:18,500
Holy smokes.

1897
01:35:19,410 --> 01:35:22,370
All right. Well, three years, here we go. Yeah, so.

1898
01:35:22,450 --> 01:35:23,810
Everyone to serve.

1899
01:35:23,930 --> 01:35:25,490
Note to self, don't.

1900
01:35:25,570 --> 01:35:32,050
Be absent when the leadership roles go, especially in July or August next year. You know what's coming.

1901
01:35:33,650 --> 01:35:37,790
All right. Well, that takes us to the conclusion. If there's no further business, I will make a motion to adjourn. All in favor,

1902
01:35:37,790 --> 01:35:41,930
aye. Anyone want to stay?