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OK, I got the thumbs up.

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Even though I'm showing only 559.

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OK, welcome.

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To City Council meeting for September 3rd.

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Call the meeting to order and as always, we'll start with the Pledge of Allegiance.

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We'll ask Council Member Samuel.

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I'd like to.

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Of the United States of America.

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And to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God.

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Indivisible.

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With liberty and justice for all.

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OK. Thank you.

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Now, we do have tonight two public hearings.

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One on a text amendment.

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For updating use table for the village zone.

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And a second public hearing regarding rezone.

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Across the street from Columbus High School.

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If you're here to make.

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Comment on either of those two issues, please hold off.

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Until we open public comment or the public hearing on those issues.

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Otherwise, if you'd like to speak with the Council about anything else under the sun, public comment is your time.

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And so public comment is now open and I see Truly the librarian here, so she'll show you how it's done.

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Trudy from the library.

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We're doing lots of fun things. It's mythology month and there's stuff every day, so I'm not going to go over hardly any of it.

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Except that there's origami on the 19th and.

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That's at 10:30 and it's awesome.

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We also are having our.

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Since schools started, our first after school crew is going to start at the third Wednesday of every month. It's for kids 6 to 9.

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It's science, it's art, it's.

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Snacks. It's fun.

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We are also having a Halloween bash. We're starting early.

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So that'll be on October 8th from 4:00 to 6:00. It's a drop in event.

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And we're starting a new program in October on the 9th. It'll be every other Friday.

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And it's called Baby Gym.

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And it's at 10:00.

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So.

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There's something at 10:00 every Friday. There's either play and learn or there's baby gym.

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So come on in for those things if those are appropriate for your people.

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We are also going to have a happy birthday Pooh Bear on October 14th from 2:00 to 6:00 with lots of drop in things but I did kind

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of want to highlight.

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Our library of things.

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Since I haven't really talked about those yet.

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We have a lot of.

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Things that you can check out if you want fun things we've got. Bird watching kits we've got.

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Pasta makers. We've got a GoPro, some telescopes.

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Some story time, backpacks and a lot of things that.

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Help you turn all of your.

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Analog memories into digital memories, so.

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Slides.

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Super 8 films, all those things you can take home and.

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And have fun converting those.

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But we also have some health related things. We've got happy lights.

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And heart health kits and radon monitors.

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And memory care kits.

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And I thought.

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All of them were pretty self-explanatory except for a memory care kit, so I thought I would bring one to show. And it doesn't look

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like much on the outside, but it's kind of magic inside.

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It's very full of things.

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And it's got.

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Just things to help if you've got someone in your life who is.

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Having memory issues and dementia issues, there are things that can help engage them. There are lesson plans or little ideas about

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things to talk about and music and things to touch and play with.

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And feel there's lots of.

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Just tons of fun stuff in here.

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And they rotate around the system, so there's lots of different.

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Lots of different things, different decades different.

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Events that you can talk about.

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And I just thought that would be something that the community might want to know about South.

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So I gotta bring 1.

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And that's what we're doing at the library.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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OK, no, it's for public comment or anything under the sun other than.

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The public hearing item.

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I'll jump at once.

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Zingan will close public comment.

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And proceed to agenda item number 4.

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Regarding a text amendment.

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To Section 13 to allow arts and culture events as an allowable use.

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Across multiple zones.

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So I understand we have.

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Meeting with John, is that correct?

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Thank you Mayor, Council, John Tierlink, Community and Economic Development Director.

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This is an application that was brought to the city and reviewed by the Technical Review Committee.

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By one business owner that has just opened up shop in the village.

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Steinway Pianos.

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Taking over the space on the corner of Laney and.

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Holiday Blvd.

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And um.

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Primarily their their retail component is obviously.

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It is what it is for.

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Selling dealing license here for for Steinway pianos.

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But the secondary component to their.

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Business operation is is allowing a space for recitals.

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This is this type of use was something.

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That.

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Business owners in the village have been trying to.

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Accommodate.

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Work with.

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But have always been running up against holiday village land use requirements.

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Specifically for spaces on the ground level.

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Primarily when the the holiday village was established.

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It was encouraged to retain commercial tax base.

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And requiring those ground level retail spaces to remain retail only.

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Was the answer.

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Up until.

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When the Common Mall and Rail Holiday Hills development became online, that was really hard.

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Our best way to maintain?

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A retail component for the city.

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In the villain in the village area.

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So large gathering spaces like reception centers and those types of venues weren't something that were considered.

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However, Fast forward to today.

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There is a need and a desire for some property owners to use their spaces.

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In a way that sort of aligns itself with.

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This arts and culture.

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Idea.

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This idea is also bolstered.

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And supported by recent comments received from the public in your general plan rewrite.

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And see on the screen this is one of the specific goals.

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That we heard from the community included and included in the general plan as.

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Some ideas and events that support.

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Cultural activities and events, specifically in the Holiday Village District and the surrounding area.

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So staff has worked with.

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The applicant the business owner for Steinway to establish a set of new land use.

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Rules and regulations.

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That provided an ancillary.

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Use umm.

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For any type, any business in the village.

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To run small.

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Scale.

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Performances, uh.

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That type of thing.

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So using that idea and the Planning Commission sculpted.

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Two different types of.

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Levels of land use.

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A high intensity arts and culture type of.

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And a low intensity. The low intensity.

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Being the land use that was proposed just for the village.

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This high idea of high intensity, which would be large music venues perform.

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Event centers would be used elsewhere in the city at some point.

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That is not something that was being recommended by the Planning Commission to be adopted.

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Just a definition for it we can figure out.

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Where to put that type of use?

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In a future date.

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But primarily concentrating on the village.

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So the Planning Commission has created a land use.

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Definitions, which really is where the standards of operation are.

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For low intensity arts and culture uses to operate as ancillary use.

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To a retail.

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So they would still need to maintain the retail use.

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And in the off hours.

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They can do the recitals. They can have a small theater.

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Something that is.

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Off hours to the primary use of the property.

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That's important.

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From the Planning Commission's point of view, because of the parking.

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Component.

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They wanted to have the parking available when the primary use is not there.

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To switch over to the ancillary off hours, recital of music performances and.

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Et cetera.

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Some of the other.

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One of the other components that came out of the Planning Commission was a.

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Allowing for storefront galleries to.

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Take place while either.

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A space is vacant or otherwise unoccupied.

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You can have.

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Art shows and galleries within the storefronts creating that really awesome vibrant St. facing.

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Component that I think.

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The residents around the area and then the city are looking for in the village itself.

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So those are the components that have been recommended by the Planning Commission for consideration.

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And you primarily so you have 3 sections of the ordinances of the ordinance that is being.

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My peripheral proposed to be modified.

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The Holiday Village Zone with a component that talks about.

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You're, if you're on in primary ground floor retail, you have to have primary use, but you also get to have this ancillary use.

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It points you to 13100 which is your land use table.

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That sort of enables the land use across.

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All zones.

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Being the Holiday Village zone, being the only one that's being available right now as a permitted use.

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And then?

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Obviously the definitions of each one of those land uses.

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That's a lot.

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To review. So basically.

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You're looking at a brand new land use for the city.

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Something that's never been used before.

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Supported by the general plan by the public as far as an arts and culture use.

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And definitely something that's desired by.

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Existing.

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Business owners and tenants of the village to sort of bolster.

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Their their use of space.

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So I'd be happy to take any other questions you might have.

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So it looks like for the temporary storefront gallery, we'd be adding that to a.

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Number of other zones, is that right? Not just the holiday village. Oh.

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Right now it's only for the village.

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We have another table I'm seeing. Let's talk about the storefront gallery.

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Has multiple zones.

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Is it all the way across?

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All the way but NCHCRORD C1C2.

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And HP.

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Yeah, that's.

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Oh, I guess at this point, I guess they presumed that that was something that that was acceptable for those.

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Those specific zones.

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Um, as far as retail spaces.

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So yes, they they did propose to put those in in the Holly Crossroads zone.

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Any zone that would be considered commercial.

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But the storefront is.

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It's temporary and it's just when an area is vacant. So it's not like it's it's not it's bring like a high.

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Super high traffic, right? Yeah.

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Yeah, they still have to be have established their primary use there.

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Yeah. Or when they're in transition.

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Between tenants.

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Was there a?

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A particular reason why on the Storefront Gallery, the PO Zone was excluded.

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Not many.

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Commercial.

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Uses are allowed in your PO zone.

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Primarily office space.

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Right. Could it be considered as an office space transitions over to have art?

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Provided in the storefront.

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Yes.

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It's excluded for now, but.

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Um, could be added.

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Later, I suppose, if we feel like.

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There's a need for it.

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Yeah, I'm not suggesting we need to get.

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Out over our seas in terms of.

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Allowing more I want to.

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My questions actually regarding a low intensity arts and culture we only have.

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We're saying that that particular land use.

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Is only permitted in the village.

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And so that.

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And maybe there's a definitional.

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Thing I'm not understanding but we already do a fair amount of.

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Low intensity arts and culture, and even arguably some higher intensity arts and culture.

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In a certain P zone behind our City Hall.

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And so.

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Could this be interpreted as we've just?

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Disallowed ourselves the opportunity.

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We've been doing for a long time.

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Not necessarily. I mean, what we're looking for is an establishment of.

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If we step in, would you mind going back to the definitions of?

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In the definition section.

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Well, I mean first. First off, the application that was brought to us was for a village.

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Amendment right. I just know that we've.

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We're now establishing that land use, we're saying where it's permitted.

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We're doing not recitals per se, but concerts.

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In the park.

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And there there wasn't any code.

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Surrounding that, now we've got this code.

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I just want to make sure we're not.

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Blocking ourselves out of.

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What we've historically done.

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And intend to do in the future.

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Yeah, I think primarily where we.

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Revolve around those types of land uses is in the high intensity.

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Not necessarily the low intensity land use or the Arkansas Arts and Culture section.

257
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So if we wanted to look at adding that to the P zones.

258
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We want to make sure that we're allowing it to be used in all.

259
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P zones where a school could be.

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Where a church could also be.

261
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Operated uh.

262
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Right. Umm.

263
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So I'm not sure if we're exactly.

264
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Being excluding ourselves from operations there who we can take a look at.

265
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What that could be from? Yeah, that's that's I know this is a new definition.

266
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Where it's been the Wild West before a little bit.

267
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At least in terms of like the P zone.

268
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Yeah, let's let's just make sure we're not.

269
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Putting our foot in it.

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Here with regard to.

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Blue Moon Festival and.

272
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And yeah.

273
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Page to stage and and let's not all of a sudden create a smaller box than.

274
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We intend to do.

275
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We could definitely take a look at that real quick.

276
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But I think you know with regard to.

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The applicant who brought their.

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Their need forward.

279
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Or all over, and that's great.

280
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No objection there, just in terms of how this is.

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Being laid out.

282
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Does it affect?

283
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The rest of us.

284
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I think it could potentially and my advice would be.

285
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That we consider this application.

286
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But that we not lose track of this.

287
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And bring this back up at another point in time.

288
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Where we may want to.

289
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Look definitionally or.

290
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In the zones available. Oh so in order to accommodate.

291
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To Mr. Jackson we should proceed.

292
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But then and the way our Planning Commission proceedings went, with this being considered in the village zone.

293
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And not necessarily in the P zone more broadly.

294
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I'd rather go back to the Planning Commission.

295
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For that consideration, but I don't want to hold up this application.

296
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Yeah, that sounds good.

297
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Okay.

298
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Questions. Comments.

299
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Thanks. Thank you.

300
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All right, so the public hearing, let's go ahead and open the public hearing on this agenda Item 4.

301
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Allowing arts and culture.

302
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Use in the.

303
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Well, that holiday village zone, but also storefront galleries.

304
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And the other zones indicated.

305
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Are there any here to address the Council?

306
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On this issue.

307
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No.

308
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OK. We'll go ahead and.

309
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Close the public hearing then.

310
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And I expect we'll go ahead and schedule a vote.

311
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In a couple of weeks.

312
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In order to deal with the application from.

313
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Mr. Jackson and we'll.

314
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Deal with the fallout.

315
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In the near future, hopefully.

316
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I hate to handcuff ourselves.

317
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Too long if it.

318
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If indeed a hand set of handcuffs are indeed.

319
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Being generated from here.

320
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OK, let's proceed then.

321
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To item number 5.

322
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This is a rezone application for property located across the street from Columbus High School.

323
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And we also should have a.

324
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Briefing with John again, I believe.

325
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Thank you, Mayor.

326
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This is a rezone application that was brought to the city in.

327
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March.

328
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Or so of this year.

329
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And initially started with some conversations with the technical review committee and our senior planner.

330
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Carrie Marsh.

331
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In as it relates to some transition that the Church of Jesus Christ of Adri Sanchez having with their church.

332
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Property.

333
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Right directly across the street from the Olympus High School.

334
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The property itself has plans to be redeveloped into.

335
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Seminary use.

336
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Only for the front half.

337
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Property, the back half being sold off.

338
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To a developer who the applicant is here tonight and can give you details specifically on on what that means.

339
00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:49,710
But from the city's point of view?

340
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The legislative action is to rezone the back half of the property.

341
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From P.

342
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Which would accommodate the church or the seminary?

343
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To match the abutting zone R110.

344
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Which to accommodate some single family home development.

345
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Accessed off of a private drive.

346
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The front half remaining P zone is going to come will accommodate reconstruction of the building.

347
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Converting it to the seminary.

348
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At a later date.

349
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The back half being the reason is the the.

350
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Application that's.

351
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Presented in the city that's been recommended by the Planning Commission by unanimous vote.

352
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The general plan review.

353
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Essentially was looking at compatibility.

354
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And, umm.

355
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Being as that butts two types of zones, Residential zones for you, your R28 which is your duplex for 8000 square feet.

356
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And then also the rezone.

357
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:46,070
Or the the residential zone of R110.

358
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Applicant is choosing to.

359
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A button match that single family development as that's the planned development type of homes are detached single family houses.

360
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:59,350
So definitely compatibility is there.

361
00:19:00,030 --> 00:19:02,630
Access to the public street will be established.

362
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:07,080
Via subdivision plat and easement through.

363
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The church property.

364
00:19:08,790 --> 00:19:12,570
But it's in conversations with the applicant, it sounds like they wanted to have primarily a public St. dedicated out to 2300 E

365
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and.

366
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I'll let them.

367
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Give you the details on that.

368
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:26,040
However, the Planning Commission did review this and give you a recommendation. Recommendation to approve.

369
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,760
The rezone request from RP to R110.

370
00:19:33,060 --> 00:19:35,960
OK, John, can you remind me what the.

371
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Height limitations and setbacks are for both the R110 and the P zones.

372
00:19:42,110 --> 00:19:44,310
Yeah, umm.

373
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Height in your residential zones are limited to lot size.

374
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These lots are hovering from I think the concepts that I remember seeing.

375
00:19:53,470 --> 00:19:54,750
Around 11:00 to.

376
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To 12,000 square feet ish. So they'll be limited to 32 feet.

377
00:19:59,350 --> 00:20:01,510
So up to.

378
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15,000 square feet is your 32 foot height.

379
00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:05,670
32 or.

380
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15,000 square feet to half an acre is 35 and above that it would be 40.

381
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So these would be all 32 foot heights.

382
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:15,310
And then the setbacks.

383
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Are also based upon lot dimensions.

384
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So you know you have the percentage of side yard set back based upon the lots width.

385
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In the R110 zone.

386
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The lots need to be at least a minimum of 100 square, 100 feet wide.

387
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So that would mean you would have A7.

388
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A foot side yard set back in. A 10 foot side yard set back on.

389
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Opposing sides.

390
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So 710 feet.

391
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For the side yard setbacks.

392
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35 feet to the back to the rear yard.

393
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And approximately 30 feet for a front yard.

394
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Which would be confronting a cul-de-sac.

395
00:20:51,090 --> 00:20:52,250
How about for the?

396
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The P zone itself.

397
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I don't have those memories off the top of my head. I would have to get back to you on what those would be.

398
00:21:01,620 --> 00:21:04,260
I'm pretty sure the P zone front yard is it well.

399
00:21:04,340 --> 00:21:06,860
Overall site plans for.

400
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P Zone redevelopment goes to your Planning Commission for approval.

401
00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:16,840
And the front yard set back. I believe it starts at 20 feet, but I'm not sure what the remaining side of various yards would be.

402
00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:18,420
OK. Thank you.

403
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:26,670
So, John, I'm sure you're aware we got a letter from Mr. Gedge concerned about storm drainage.

404
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In this area of the.

405
00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:30,220
I just want to make sure that I understand.

406
00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:34,460
Then Jared's aware of the property or.

407
00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:36,620
The property owners aware.

408
00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:40,020
That they need to address that, but that's something that would happen.

409
00:21:40,380 --> 00:21:41,740
In the future, when they were.

410
00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:45,780
Create a civil plan and take that before the Planning Commission to address.

411
00:21:45,940 --> 00:21:47,420
Those kind of issues is that.

412
00:21:47,780 --> 00:21:53,940
Correct, that's accurate, Yeah, if a rezone is approved and the applicants allowed to commence with the.

413
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Process. Mm-hmm.

414
00:21:56,660 --> 00:22:01,150
A civil preliminary civil development plan is required and that's reviewed by.

415
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The technical review committee.

416
00:22:02,780 --> 00:22:03,540
And that's where.

417
00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:07,340
The engineering side will look at that. That drain is piped very closely.

418
00:22:07,460 --> 00:22:11,360
OK. So, so they look at all of that that and it's required for that process, OK. And whatever they can upgrade or condition it

419
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:15,260
needs to be.

420
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Will be addressed then.

421
00:22:16,780 --> 00:22:20,220
OK. And then also brought to the Planning Commission?

422
00:22:20,660 --> 00:22:21,780
For another public hearing.

423
00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:23,900
To review what those changes are.

424
00:22:23,980 --> 00:22:24,900
Could, could be.

425
00:22:25,420 --> 00:22:26,020
That makes sense.

426
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,430
OK. Anyone else?

427
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,150
Thanks. Thanks, Joe.

428
00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:39,140
We have the applicant here today.

429
00:22:39,220 --> 00:22:40,340
Go ahead and take some time.

430
00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:48,940
Sure. Thank you, Mayor and Council. My name is Peter Gambrulus and I'm with Ivory Homes.

431
00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:51,180
Applying on behalf of.

432
00:22:51,580 --> 00:22:52,700
Of the Church of Jesus.

433
00:22:52,940 --> 00:22:55,340
I'm applying on behalf of Ivory Homes.

434
00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:56,500
But uh.

435
00:22:56,580 --> 00:22:59,460
The property owner being the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

436
00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:01,540
I appreciate John's presentation and.

437
00:23:02,140 --> 00:23:04,340
I don't need to add too much more to that.

438
00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:07,780
I did. We have been primarily working with Carrie so.

439
00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:10,860
There was just one thing in John's.

440
00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:12,820
Presentation that I wanted to correct.

441
00:23:13,660 --> 00:23:16,460
And that's that we are intending to do 3 lots here.

442
00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:19,780
The only reason I bring that up is those lots will be larger.

443
00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:24,500
Than what was assumed to be the amount and so they're going to be about half acre lots.

444
00:23:24,860 --> 00:23:27,220
Which goes to the question regarding height.

445
00:23:27,380 --> 00:23:28,980
So with that.

446
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:32,020
They would be at a 35 foot height maximum.

447
00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:33,500
Just for the lot sizes.

448
00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:34,820
I wanted to bring that up, but.

449
00:23:36,130 --> 00:23:36,850
Yes. So it's.

450
00:23:38,060 --> 00:23:43,220
The concept that we have obviously not included today because this is simply for the land use.

451
00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:45,460
But the concept that we have is for three.

452
00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:48,740
Roughly half acre lots that will be at the end of that.

453
00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:51,740
On what we intend to be a public cul-de-sac.

454
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:56,500
Working directly with the church, they've already.

455
00:23:57,420 --> 00:24:00,260
Had their architects working on a replacement seminary.

456
00:24:00,660 --> 00:24:02,940
And we expect the replacement seminary to be.

457
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Going on.

458
00:24:04,580 --> 00:24:07,860
If not simultaneously with our site development.

459
00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:10,540
The first thing to happen?

460
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,320
I'll make myself available for any questions of the Council.

461
00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:16,780
Or the mayor.

462
00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:21,380
Or if anything comes up during public comment. Happy to speak but.

463
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Really not much.

464
00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:24,860
To add to John's presentation, so I appreciate it.

465
00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:26,580
Do you have anything to?

466
00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:31,430
Well, just lend comfort to the Council with regard to the.

467
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:34,900
Stormwater management assets there and how you'll be.

468
00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:35,980
Able to.

469
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:39,700
Avoid disruption of that or develop around it in a way that.

470
00:24:40,260 --> 00:24:41,660
We'll make everybody comfortable.

471
00:24:41,780 --> 00:24:42,700
Yeah, absolutely.

472
00:24:43,060 --> 00:24:44,420
I'm sorry I didn't touch on that.

473
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:48,540
We did, actually. We've talked with Mr. Gedge in a couple different meetings, did review his letter and after that letter was

474
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sent.

475
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Did meet with city engineering to discuss.

476
00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:57,260
And that did result.

477
00:24:57,340 --> 00:24:58,340
Some anticipated.

478
00:24:59,220 --> 00:25:02,740
Some plan changes from our original anticipated goals.

479
00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:05,380
I don't know how familiar you all are.

480
00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:06,940
Directly with the.

481
00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:08,540
Property but about.

482
00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:10,580
In that corner.

483
00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:12,420
So if we're looking.

484
00:25:12,740 --> 00:25:15,300
About so the West side.

485
00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:18,030
Where it dips in and goes like that.

486
00:25:18,220 --> 00:25:20,100
Right, there's a little gorge.

487
00:25:20,260 --> 00:25:22,180
Little gully type thing.

488
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:24,620
And then that does have a wall that.

489
00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:28,420
Access retaining prior to discharging into the canal.

490
00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:31,540
Our original plan was to actually.

491
00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:33,020
Box that.

492
00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:35,860
In a way so that it would be subsurface retaining.

493
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:39,500
So that we could add that a bit more usable.

494
00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:41,220
Space into a lot.

495
00:25:42,090 --> 00:25:46,890
Since reviewing Mr. Gedges concerns and speaking with.

496
00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:48,260
City.

497
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:49,140
Engineering.

498
00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:51,300
We've elected not to, even.

499
00:25:51,420 --> 00:25:52,220
Pursue that.

500
00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:56,780
I guess we shouldn't say we elected not to. We were told we could not perceive that.

501
00:25:58,060 --> 00:26:00,660
And so we have, we've designed around that.

502
00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:02,900
It's not a problem, it will change.

503
00:26:03,340 --> 00:26:04,740
What we anticipated would.

504
00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:05,420
Be.

505
00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:08,220
That lot, but we don't think it will be detrimental.

506
00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:10,580
It will just have that more natural.

507
00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:12,260
Gorge type.

508
00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:14,100
In the front yard, Which?

509
00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:15,740
Could be a value as well, but.

510
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:18,740
The only reason I bring up that little story is that we have engaged with.

511
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:23,500
Mr. Gadge, we have engaged with the City regarding his concerns and we.

512
00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:27,460
We don't anticipate their they they will not be able to be engineered around.

513
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:28,670
Perfect.

514
00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:29,380
Thank you.

515
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:31,990
Anything else for Mr. cameras?

516
00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:33,630
Thank you.

517
00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:34,340
Thank you all.

518
00:26:36,430 --> 00:26:39,030
OK, with that, we'll open the public hearing.

519
00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:43,500
Any wish to address the Council on this matter, please come to the podium and state your name.

520
00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:46,420
And let us know how you feel about.

521
00:27:02,260 --> 00:27:07,460
My name is Denise Philbin. I've lived at the Mount Olympus Condos for over 20 years.

522
00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:10,740
It's it would be on the north side of this property.

523
00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:13,100
My concern?

524
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:14,540
Would be.

525
00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:19,630
The traffic from.

526
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:21,100
23rd East.

527
00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:22,220
Has become.

528
00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:24,300
Almost unmute.

529
00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:27,020
Manageable even with the kids.

530
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:28,420
Out of school.

531
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:29,380
At Olympus.

532
00:27:31,670 --> 00:27:34,870
You know, our little cities really grown and 2030.

533
00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:36,660
Gets you to the freeway.

534
00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:38,340
And it also brings you back.

535
00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:39,220
To holiday.

536
00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:45,670
We have 46 units in that Madeline Piscondo area and there's only one.

537
00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:47,140
Entrance.

538
00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:50,250
Or exit, whichever.

539
00:27:51,030 --> 00:27:53,030
And when school is in.

540
00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:56,710
Even at the old side of the seminary.

541
00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:59,010
The children have a.

542
00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:03,540
Tendency to be on their phones and dragging across the street to get to seminary.

543
00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:06,380
And it backs up the traffic almost to 33rd.

544
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:09,580
Or the other direction down to.

545
00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:11,230
The city.

546
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:16,820
And I know it's not your concern, but it's probably.

547
00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:20,620
More of a concern about the seminary.

548
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:22,700
Where they're going to do the crossing.

549
00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:26,100
If they can have a monitor system where?

550
00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:27,180
I don't know.

551
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:28,980
If the light can say.

552
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:31,500
OK, traffic can go through.

553
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,350
And now the kids can go cross.

554
00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:36,740
But they tend to just kind of dribble.

555
00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:39,980
And they their kids.

556
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:41,500
It's what they do.

557
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:42,540
So.

558
00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:46,060
Other than that, I would I.

559
00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:48,700
Kind of wanted to repeat what the.

560
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:51,300
Set back is on that.

561
00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:52,620
Northside.

562
00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:55,220
I think he went over it too quick for me to.

563
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:57,060
Really here?

564
00:28:57,220 --> 00:28:58,740
That part that and.

565
00:28:59,180 --> 00:29:00,020
Because.

566
00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:02,780
Those homes are going to be pretty close to the back.

567
00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:05,470
Those if you notice in that picture.

568
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:08,140
Those units don't really have a backyard.

569
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:10,260
On that north side.

570
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:14,180
So those homes will be pretty close to those units it.

571
00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:16,100
They are twin homes.

572
00:29:16,660 --> 00:29:17,420
So, umm.

573
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:20,220
It'll impact just.

574
00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:23,900
Maybe the four homes, but we also have a swimming pool on the end.

575
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:28,300
Which that's fine. If they want to watch us swim, it's no big deal.

576
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:29,340
But.

577
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:34,540
I just would like to be clear on what those setbacks.

578
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:35,820
Sorry as well.

579
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:38,580
And that's all I have to say. Thank you for you.

580
00:29:39,140 --> 00:29:39,620
Thank you.

581
00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:44,350
Anyone else for public comment?

582
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:51,510
Hi my name is.

583
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:53,260
Dina Uzunkaya.

584
00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:56,420
I will be marrying Paul Gedge.

585
00:29:57,660 --> 00:30:00,540
Whose property we are discussing.

586
00:30:01,220 --> 00:30:04,580
And I have been living in the holiday area.

587
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,900
A couple of years now.

588
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:10,620
I've been living in the Gedge home.

589
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,240
And, umm.

590
00:30:15,010 --> 00:30:19,110
I Paul is a lot more diplomatic than I am.

591
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,750
I'm very opposed to.

592
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:24,100
To this rezoning.

593
00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:27,710
And I think.

594
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:31,940
Paul's fam. Paul has.

595
00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:34,180
Paul and Roy.

596
00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:35,980
Who you got the letter from?

597
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:38,140
They've been in this home.

598
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:39,340
Since.

599
00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:41,620
74 I believe.

600
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440
And that.

601
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:47,990
There has been a lot of changes.

602
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:49,420
And changes eminent.

603
00:30:50,350 --> 00:30:54,270
But there, I believe, is a lot of.

604
00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:57,780
Impact on the environment back there.

605
00:30:58,420 --> 00:31:01,620
There are trees back there that are very mature.

606
00:31:02,020 --> 00:31:02,820
That.

607
00:31:05,220 --> 00:31:06,710
They're not going to be around.

608
00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:08,500
If they're not taken care of.

609
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,620
And those trees are Sequoia.

610
00:31:12,430 --> 00:31:15,830
And they are a couple of other pine.

611
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:18,900
That Paul's father, who is now deceased.

612
00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:20,940
Planted as seed leaves.

613
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,390
And so this.

614
00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:26,540
This care of this area.

615
00:31:28,580 --> 00:31:29,780
In in my.

616
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:31,500
Very humble opinion.

617
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:32,700
Is going to.

618
00:31:32,820 --> 00:31:33,740
Impact umm.

619
00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:36,450
Not just.

620
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:39,620
2300 E and that traffic.

621
00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:41,460
It's going to impact.

622
00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:43,590
All of the people.

623
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:46,820
That are going to be lining that north side.

624
00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:50,030
The northeast side.

625
00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:53,020
And then even the West side of that swimming pool.

626
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:55,620
And it's also going to impact.

627
00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:58,070
All of those people.

628
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,260
That are.

629
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:01,460
Our neighbors.

630
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:02,940
That have been there.

631
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:04,340
For years.

632
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:08,220
The family on the east side of us.

633
00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:13,310
They are these sweet Greek immigrant people that came here.

634
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:16,500
About about 30 years ago.

635
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:19,460
Their grandkids are now living in that.

636
00:32:20,060 --> 00:32:20,820
In that house.

637
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:23,460
And then on the other side there's.

638
00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:26,460
It's not just going to impact.

639
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:31,070
Us in that way it will also impact.

640
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:33,260
The people across the street.

641
00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:34,980
Too, Because.

642
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:37,300
They're going to have to.

643
00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:38,340
Deal with.

644
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:40,660
The noise that's going to come.

645
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:43,180
And further traffic.

646
00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:48,460
And for and more traffic. And I hate to sound like this means more.

647
00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:49,460
People. Umm.

648
00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:51,860
I'm not sure.

649
00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:54,340
That the land behind there.

650
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:56,340
Is going to be able to SU.

651
00:32:56,540 --> 00:32:57,780
Stain that either.

652
00:32:58,580 --> 00:32:59,950
Because of that.

653
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:01,660
That Creek that's there?

654
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:03,140
That Creek is.

655
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:04,860
Culinary water.

656
00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:08,340
For I believe it's owned by.

657
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:10,820
A bunch of people, but it's.

658
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:13,820
It's, it's shared and it is.

659
00:33:16,540 --> 00:33:17,780
Holiday City.

660
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:19,140
Water Company.

661
00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:20,340
I believe it is.

662
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:22,180
And so.

663
00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:23,980
There's several.

664
00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:27,620
Impacts not.

665
00:33:27,820 --> 00:33:30,060
Just the Gedges.

666
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:31,780
Not just.

667
00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:33,620
The goats.

668
00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:37,380
Or this, this dear woman sitting back here?

669
00:33:39,070 --> 00:33:41,630
Umm, and not just the traffic.

670
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:44,580
But that also is a concern.

671
00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:49,820
People already and I'm sure.

672
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:52,020
The police already know.

673
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:55,870
People ignore.

674
00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:58,230
Not just the students.

675
00:33:58,740 --> 00:33:59,660
They ignore that.

676
00:33:59,780 --> 00:34:01,580
Crosswalk that's there with the.

677
00:34:01,780 --> 00:34:03,300
Blinking yellow light.

678
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:05,380
People ignore that.

679
00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:07,260
And they drive right through there.

680
00:34:07,820 --> 00:34:10,220
And it's already.

681
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:11,460
Problematic. Umm.

682
00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:13,940
It's going to get more problematic.

683
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:17,900
And so I feel like that.

684
00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:21,300
There should be consideration.

685
00:34:22,380 --> 00:34:23,060
That anyway.

686
00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:23,980
That's just two.

687
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:25,630
Thank you.

688
00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:33,510
Anyone else for public comment?

689
00:34:33,620 --> 00:34:34,220
On this issue.

690
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,790
OK, I'm seeing that. I'll just.

691
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:43,500
Close with uh, just a reminder that also.

692
00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:45,100
We have a tree ordinance.

693
00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:48,100
Just to address 1 of the concern about the trees that.

694
00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:50,540
3 ordinance I expect would.

695
00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:53,340
Protect trees that are around.

696
00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:55,900
These stormwater canal features.

697
00:34:56,380 --> 00:34:58,980
Tree ordinance specifically addresses above so.

698
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:02,260
We share some of your concerns with regard to protection of.

699
00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:04,220
Tree canopy, particularly around.

700
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:06,500
Natural waterways.

701
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,300
And and in city right away so.

702
00:35:11,060 --> 00:35:11,860
With that.

703
00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:13,980
Unless there's anyone else.

704
00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:15,820
I'll close the public hearing.

705
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,030
Public Greens closed.

706
00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:23,220
OK. And then we'll we'll be discussing these two public hearings in the work session.

707
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:24,060
And.

708
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:29,060
Is the vote expected on the rezone also in two weeks or?

709
00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:30,150
OK. All right.

710
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,510
OK, moving on, let's go to item number six.

711
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:35,860
Which is uh, uh.

712
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:41,940
Consideration of an ordinance with regard to amending portions of our storm. What do you know, storm water.

713
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:43,780
Regulations for the city.

714
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:50,540
So I have a briefing by Joe, but we'll also be taking a vote. Now this is a little unusual to take the briefing and the vote, but.

715
00:35:50,780 --> 00:35:54,860
This is also one of those things that's a little more routine in nature, where.

716
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:57,740
This ordinance is essentially.

717
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,510
Putting us in compliance with recent changes at the state level which we're mandated to then update our code to match.

718
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:07,300
And and so there's not a whole lot of.

719
00:36:09,020 --> 00:36:10,140
Items to debate.

720
00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:11,700
Or question or.

721
00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:14,020
We're doing our duty here, so.

722
00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:18,620
Gina asked me if it was OK if we just queued up the vote on the same day as the briefing and.

723
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:20,710
Since I've been through a number of these over the last.

724
00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:21,780
Eight or nine years.

725
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:25,740
I thought that would be OK, but if anyone's uncomfortable and wishes them.

726
00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:27,420
Move to table.

727
00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:28,900
To give yourself more time.

728
00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:30,350
That would be perfectly acceptable.

729
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:31,660
So with that.

730
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:32,980
Joe.

731
00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:34,300
Thank you, Mayor Council.

732
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:36,380
Joe Bolton, assistant city engineer.

733
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:39,380
Umm, yeah, we've.

734
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:42,300
Are updating our storm water management plan.

735
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:44,620
Most of the updates.

736
00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:46,100
Come from.

737
00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:48,900
A new MS-4 permit from the state.

738
00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:51,620
Which is municipal separate storm sewer system.

739
00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:55,620
And and many of the changes to the.

740
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:57,020
Permit where?

741
00:36:57,260 --> 00:36:59,940
From Utah code 195108.3.

742
00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:01,220
That was passed.

743
00:37:01,460 --> 00:37:03,460
A couple last.

744
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:05,660
Years legislative session.

745
00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:08,900
And then took time for the permit to update and get to us.

746
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:12,220
So most of the changes are.

747
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:13,660
Because of that code.

748
00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:15,340
There's also quite a bit of.

749
00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:17,500
And just readability.

750
00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:18,900
Spelling. Grammar.

751
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:20,460
A lot of.

752
00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:23,220
Sections of the permit.

753
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:24,660
Changed language.

754
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:27,220
From the permittee should.

755
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:28,180
Do XY X.

756
00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:30,700
Change to shall do XYZ.

757
00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:33,340
It was always the spirit that.

758
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:35,220
We will do.

759
00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:36,820
These permit requirements.

760
00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:39,700
They just changed some language to reinforce that.

761
00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:42,780
And also part of the.

762
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:44,820
New Utah code.

763
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:48,540
Uh, the one substantive.

764
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,020
Change of the permit.

765
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:53,540
Was reduced inspection frequencies for construction sites.

766
00:37:54,580 --> 00:37:55,820
And a couple reasons for.

767
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:57,780
Reduce inspections would be.

768
00:37:57,860 --> 00:37:59,500
Adequate compliance history.

769
00:37:59,620 --> 00:38:02,020
Frozen conditions. Aired locations.

770
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:04,260
And and.

771
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:07,180
As well as priority construction sites.

772
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:09,460
Not as infrequent.

773
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:12,100
But also change the requirements for that as well.

774
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:15,300
So, Mayor, like you said.

775
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,980
Most of these changes come from state code.

776
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:20,780
And just puts us in compliance with the state.

777
00:38:21,340 --> 00:38:27,980
So I can take any further during any of those elements including a substantive one that you mentioned that?

778
00:38:28,580 --> 00:38:30,860
Uh, should give us a.

779
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:33,820
Her concern or that would have significant.

780
00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:34,940
Budget impact.

781
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:35,980
As far as you can tell.

782
00:38:36,340 --> 00:38:37,500
No, Nope.

783
00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:38,940
None of the above.

784
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:44,510
So I'm just curious.

785
00:38:45,380 --> 00:38:46,780
It looks like most of the.

786
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,720
Inspections are electronic.

787
00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:51,580
But sometimes.

788
00:38:51,940 --> 00:38:56,420
They have to be on site because of non compliance. How often does that?

789
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:59,060
So actually.

790
00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:04,400
And the state code allowed for electronic inspections, and so far every single contractor who has pulled a permit has opted out of

791
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,540
those electronic inspections.

792
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:13,470
It does put a lot more.

793
00:39:14,340 --> 00:39:16,220
Worked on that contractor.

794
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:18,940
So most are opting out and just having.

795
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:21,060
Our oversight inspections on site anyway.

796
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:22,990
Interesting. Thank you.

797
00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:23,860
Yeah, of course.

798
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:30,230
Any other questions, comments, concerns?

799
00:39:31,210 --> 00:39:33,110
Or motions.

800
00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:39,860
Mr. Mayor.

801
00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:43,620
Motion to approve Ordinance number 202614.

802
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:45,020
2nd.

803
00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:48,300
OK. We have motion and a second.

804
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:50,420
Council Member Gray.

805
00:39:50,860 --> 00:39:52,100
Yes, Councilmember Quinn.

806
00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:53,420
Yes, Councilmember Bradley.

807
00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:56,820
Yes, Councilmember Durham. Yes, Councilmember Sundwall.

808
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:57,500
Yes.

809
00:39:57,580 --> 00:39:59,820
And share votes. Yes, thank you very much. Thanks, Joe.

810
00:40:01,890 --> 00:40:04,910
OK, moving on, item number seven, City Manager report.

811
00:40:13,810 --> 00:40:15,410
Good evening, Council.

812
00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:16,900
I have a couple of.

813
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:22,300
Grant updates that I want to start with we are planning to apply.

814
00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:23,980
For a.

815
00:40:24,580 --> 00:40:27,100
Corridor Preservation Fund grant.

816
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:28,380
To fund.

817
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:31,700
The purchase of several feet of property.

818
00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:39,180
Along 2 parcels, this project would allow us to create a right turn lane.

819
00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:41,300
From northbound Highland Drive to.

820
00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:43,140
Eastbound 45th.

821
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:47,740
For those of you that were on the Council a couple of years ago, you may recall that we applied for and received corridor

822
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:51,740
preservations funds.

823
00:40:52,090 --> 00:40:55,450
For an additional property in the same area.

824
00:40:55,930 --> 00:41:02,970
But we were unable to pursue purchase for the other two properties at that time because this particular grant.

825
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:06,010
Program requires that we have willing sellers.

826
00:41:06,570 --> 00:41:08,090
We have continued to work.

827
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:14,970
With property owners in this area and we feel like we're at a point where we can pursue this funding.

828
00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:19,050
The last time we applied, I think it was a.

829
00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:22,930
About $60,000 for the one parcel.

830
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:23,890
I'm gonna.

831
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:26,810
Guests were in the same neighborhood, Jared.

832
00:41:28,810 --> 00:41:36,090
OK. For these two parcels, so likely in the 100 to $120,000 range?

833
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:38,890
Is the Council all right if we?

834
00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:40,090
Pursue that funding.

835
00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:43,100
OK, I'm seeing nodding heads.

836
00:41:43,770 --> 00:41:44,890
So.

837
00:41:45,130 --> 00:41:48,010
Any objection will move forward with that application.

838
00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:52,170
We are also planning to apply.

839
00:41:52,610 --> 00:41:54,410
To a program a fairly.

840
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:55,930
New program.

841
00:41:56,450 --> 00:42:04,610
That the States Division of Outdoor Recreation is offering it is a Nature Based Learning Infrastructure grant.

842
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:10,810
And we would be applying for up to $15,000.

843
00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:13,130
For a potential.

844
00:42:13,210 --> 00:42:14,090
Climbing wall.

845
00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:19,610
Bouldering garden at Spring Lane Park, which would be included in the playground area.

846
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:24,530
If we were awarded this grant, there would be a 20% match.

847
00:42:25,090 --> 00:42:25,930
Required.

848
00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:31,050
So our application deadline for that grant is September 21st.

849
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:33,850
Any objections to pursuing that grant?

850
00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:37,730
No objections noticed.

851
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:41,530
I have a less.

852
00:42:41,650 --> 00:42:43,730
Pleasant update on a.

853
00:42:44,570 --> 00:42:46,370
Previously awarded grant.

854
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:49,690
Project and this is on 27th East.

855
00:42:50,610 --> 00:42:52,370
Oh, I thought you're gonna say City Hollows.

856
00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:59,940
I don't know. Hopefully I don't have to share another update on that. We just ended good news.

857
00:43:01,770 --> 00:43:05,050
This is on 27th so you may remember that.

858
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:10,770
A couple of years ago we completed the first phase of that project on the northern end.

859
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:13,380
This is a sidewalk continuation.

860
00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:14,770
Project uh.

861
00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:17,730
Hopefully connecting 39 S with.

862
00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:18,690
45th South.

863
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:25,210
So 2 summers ago we received $500,000.

864
00:43:25,530 --> 00:43:26,490
We finish that.

865
00:43:26,570 --> 00:43:31,490
First phase at the time UDOT was providing those awards.

866
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:33,490
And letting.

867
00:43:33,610 --> 00:43:35,690
The project be locally.

868
00:43:38,610 --> 00:43:40,370
Over the last couple of years that.

869
00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:46,330
Approach has changed and the program has now become federalized, which means that.

870
00:43:46,610 --> 00:43:48,610
Udot rather than.

871
00:43:49,650 --> 00:43:51,010
US will be leading the work.

872
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:57,250
Their process is much more expensive than ours.

873
00:43:57,970 --> 00:44:00,570
And while we had secured.

874
00:44:00,970 --> 00:44:04,490
Between Grants and our match, we had about one point.

875
00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:12,210
For $1.5 million, given our experience with phase one, we thought that was going to be plenty of money.

876
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:15,890
We have gotten the estimate.

877
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:19,450
Back and it is $2.3 million.

878
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:26,500
So we have a difference of about $825,000 between funds available and.

879
00:44:27,130 --> 00:44:28,330
The project cost.

880
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,880
So we have a couple of options.

881
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:34,250
We could shrink the size of the project.

882
00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:37,260
To use just the funds available.

883
00:44:37,650 --> 00:44:44,290
The downside of that is that costs are just going to continue to increase and if this is a priority of the Council.

884
00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:47,530
The numbers are just going to.

885
00:44:47,650 --> 00:44:48,850
To continue to grow.

886
00:44:49,850 --> 00:44:52,250
We could approach WFRC.

887
00:44:53,330 --> 00:44:56,010
About increasing the size of our grant.

888
00:44:56,410 --> 00:45:00,410
Based on our observation of the experience of others.

889
00:45:00,850 --> 00:45:03,850
We think they're likely to ask us to split that cost.

890
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:08,490
So add $400,000 to the city cost.

891
00:45:08,570 --> 00:45:10,050
For an additional 400 and.

892
00:45:10,570 --> 00:45:12,020
425.

893
00:45:12,570 --> 00:45:14,770
From them in terms of grant funding.

894
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:20,565
We could also the third option would be we could refuse the grant and just do the project ourselves. I think that would be a

895
00:45:20,565 --> 00:45:24,700
cheaper.

896
00:45:24,970 --> 00:45:26,650
Cost overall.

897
00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:33,690
But more expensive for the city in terms of US funding the entirety of the project rather than just the match portion.

898
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:37,210
As a strategy, I don't think I would.

899
00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:40,450
I would would be very rare for me to recommend.

900
00:45:41,410 --> 00:45:45,930
Turning down a grant that we have already successfully applied for.

901
00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:47,330
It just makes us much.

902
00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:49,970
Less likely to receive those grants in the future.

903
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:55,150
So our staff recommendation would be that we approach WFRC and see if they are willing to increase the award knowing that they

904
00:45:55,150 --> 00:45:59,270
may.

905
00:45:59,410 --> 00:46:02,060
Come back and ask us to also increase.

906
00:46:02,170 --> 00:46:03,410
Our contribution.

907
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:07,140
If we're successful with that approach, then would.

908
00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:10,970
Would come back to you in a budget amendment to approve that additional amount.

909
00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:14,730
Is the Council comfortable with that approach?

910
00:46:16,330 --> 00:46:18,370
It seems we're making the best of them.

911
00:46:18,690 --> 00:46:22,010
Less than ideal situation so.

912
00:46:22,450 --> 00:46:24,930
And I agree with you that we don't want to get into a pattern of.

913
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:26,930
Uh, no thanks.

914
00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:29,100
Just because the.

915
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:33,620
You know, the structure of this sort of thing happened to change, but it changes for everybody.

916
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:36,530
They're not picking on us per se, so it's the new.

917
00:46:36,810 --> 00:46:37,570
Reality.

918
00:46:38,130 --> 00:46:39,850
It's still the best path forward.

919
00:46:39,970 --> 00:46:43,690
The only decision would be if we wanted to abandon the project. I don't think we want to do that.

920
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:46,550
So do you.

921
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:53,430
Feel comfortable with that budget amendment within our current budget that we could find. I do we have a, you know as of the end

922
00:46:53,430 --> 00:47:00,170
of last fiscal year we had a considerable fund balance in capital projects.

923
00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:07,490
We of course have allocations in mind for that fund balance, but I think we would be able to fund this going forward.

924
00:47:08,810 --> 00:47:13,410
OK. I would be fine supporting that makes sense. And would this segment of funding complete the project?

925
00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:18,130
It would mainly complete the project there are we have removed.

926
00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:19,930
4 parcels that were.

927
00:47:20,130 --> 00:47:24,450
Require retaining walls that are going to be pretty expensive and we.

928
00:47:24,570 --> 00:47:31,450
Think would call that phase three and we'll need to figure out a funding strategy for those 4 parcels.

929
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:34,730
Does this affect?

930
00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:41,420
Aside from this, our sidewalk projects going forward like 56 is are we going to run into these same problems?

931
00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:45,010
What a great question. My understanding is yes, but I'm going to turn around.

932
00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:46,530
See if I have nodding heads.

933
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:51,170
Oh, it remains locally allowed.

934
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:53,530
Is it a different funding source?

935
00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:55,940
It's a different funding source, so.

936
00:47:56,170 --> 00:47:57,570
It we can retain.

937
00:47:57,850 --> 00:47:58,890
Bleeding it ourselves.

938
00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:01,460
I almost asked that.

939
00:48:02,770 --> 00:48:04,050
Are these changes going to?

940
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:06,250
Change the timeline.

941
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:10,260
No, they will not.

942
00:48:10,610 --> 00:48:11,050
So, umm.

943
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:13,250
Will it? Will it be done?

944
00:48:13,330 --> 00:48:14,770
This fall. Next spring.

945
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:17,180
Next year.

946
00:48:17,370 --> 00:48:18,330
OK. Thank you.

947
00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:24,700
All right. Thanks for the direction. We'll approach WFRC and then report back.

948
00:48:24,930 --> 00:48:26,450
On what their communication is.

949
00:48:26,770 --> 00:48:29,850
With hopefully at the next meeting it may be.

950
00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:31,810
Maybe later in October.

951
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,100
I have two other.

952
00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:37,730
Fun things to share.

953
00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:40,980
So we have been approached.

954
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:44,210
By the owner of the.

955
00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:45,970
Santa Shack.

956
00:48:46,330 --> 00:48:54,690
That used to be in Sugar House for years and years. It was on their monument Plaza and has been in a parking lot.

957
00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:56,090
For a number of years now.

958
00:48:57,090 --> 00:49:04,930
That Santa Shack needs to be relocated due to the extension of the streetcar project in Sugar House.

959
00:49:05,730 --> 00:49:07,860
And they are wondering if.

960
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:11,930
We would be interested in finding a home for the censorship.

961
00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:18,410
As a staff, we talked about potential areas where that might work.

962
00:49:18,490 --> 00:49:24,290
And one area that we identified in the village is on a.

963
00:49:24,610 --> 00:49:26,650
A parcel. It's a small pocket.

964
00:49:26,810 --> 00:49:27,810
Pocket Park.

965
00:49:28,770 --> 00:49:34,330
On the east side of Holiday Blvd. kind of adjacent to Wonderland.

966
00:49:34,850 --> 00:49:38,330
In front of what was the original City Hall.

967
00:49:39,850 --> 00:49:42,460
There is a small park there that is.

968
00:49:42,850 --> 00:49:43,930
Underutilized.

969
00:49:45,250 --> 00:49:54,210
The parcel is owned by Ken Melby and we have a lease agreement where we pay a nominal amount for that park to be public.

970
00:49:54,610 --> 00:49:55,210
And then we.

971
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:57,730
Do some maintenance on the site.

972
00:49:58,770 --> 00:50:08,890
I spoke with Ken today and he was, I would say, very enthusiastic about the idea of that Santa shack being relocated.

973
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:13,090
He offered to help us raise money.

974
00:50:13,530 --> 00:50:19,210
And had a number of, I thought really good suggestions about some programming that we could do year round with.

975
00:50:19,410 --> 00:50:20,570
Local businesses.

976
00:50:22,530 --> 00:50:27,710
We think we're still working through what the cost might be, but I am going to guess that this will be under $20,000 to both

977
00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:32,890
purchase and move.

978
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:38,090
Of the Santa Shack as we continue our conversations, if you'd like us.

979
00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:41,450
To proceed down this path, we'll get to better numbers.

980
00:50:41,810 --> 00:50:42,010
But I.

981
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:43,650
Just wanted to see what.

982
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:46,490
Appetite the council has for the Santa Shack.

983
00:50:46,570 --> 00:50:48,850
Before we we move forward at all.

984
00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:54,370
Your district, Dave.

985
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:56,250
Yeah, I guess.

986
00:50:56,810 --> 00:51:00,290
One question is like do we have no like what condition is or how old is the shack?

987
00:51:01,210 --> 00:51:07,690
So my understanding is that the shack was constructed so it's. It's not the original shack, it is a.

988
00:51:08,290 --> 00:51:10,970
Reproduction of the shack and it's.

989
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:13,140
Actually quite substantial.

990
00:51:13,890 --> 00:51:17,650
But I believe it was last constructed in 2009.

991
00:51:18,340 --> 00:51:25,860
So if you would like us to continue to explore, I think that would be the next step is we'll go look at it and.

992
00:51:26,850 --> 00:51:28,050
Assess the condition.

993
00:51:28,570 --> 00:51:29,730
Yeah, that sounds good to me.

994
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:32,340
It's worth exploring.

995
00:51:32,810 --> 00:51:36,170
Yeah. The other thing I would be concerned about is just how do you secure it?

996
00:51:37,090 --> 00:51:39,810
Because it's primary use would be Christmas time, but then.

997
00:51:40,210 --> 00:51:41,290
You know, how do you prevent?

998
00:51:41,490 --> 00:51:43,410
Vandalism and abuse and.

999
00:51:43,610 --> 00:51:45,570
Secure it and next thing you know, we've got a.

1000
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,700
You know what's that movie Money pit.

1001
00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:53,210
So those are some of the issues I'd be concerned about.

1002
00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:54,330
And of course.

1003
00:51:54,450 --> 00:51:54,850
You know I.

1004
00:51:55,090 --> 00:51:56,060
Something that wouldn't be.

1005
00:51:56,410 --> 00:51:58,500
Useful to for the Council to review.

1006
00:51:59,530 --> 00:52:00,730
Even the lease agreement.

1007
00:52:00,850 --> 00:52:04,970
That regarding this park and have a faint recollection that.

1008
00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:07,850
Uh, my predecessor, Rob Daly.

1009
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,580
The scratch didn't have a little bit over that.

1010
00:52:10,690 --> 00:52:13,970
Lease agreement and I'm just completely unfamiliar with it.

1011
00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:14,690
Sure. Umm.

1012
00:52:15,130 --> 00:52:18,890
But but I think with regard to.

1013
00:52:19,690 --> 00:52:23,210
There's no desire to kill this idea, but I think further study is.

1014
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:24,700
Agreed to.

1015
00:52:25,210 --> 00:52:28,780
OK. So we'll continue to explore it a little more and then?

1016
00:52:28,930 --> 00:52:33,970
Likely bring it back if not at your meeting on the 17th and your first meeting in October.

1017
00:52:34,690 --> 00:52:37,250
If we were to move ahead, sorry, would that.

1018
00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:39,930
Would it be available for this Christmas season or?

1019
00:52:40,410 --> 00:52:47,290
That is what we've discussed. Whether or not the timeline could actually work is another.

1020
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:49,290
Hurdle for us to to overcome.

1021
00:52:49,890 --> 00:52:50,290
Yeah.

1022
00:52:52,610 --> 00:52:57,090
OK. Finally, I wanted to let you know several months ago.

1023
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:59,370
You gave the thumbs up.

1024
00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:02,610
To the city accepting the donation.

1025
00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:03,580
Of Ace.

1026
00:53:03,730 --> 00:53:07,570
Fine from the Knutson family at Knudsen Park.

1027
00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:12,290
That is tentatively scheduled to be installed next Thursday.

1028
00:53:12,730 --> 00:53:19,580
So we'll be sure and let you know in case you're available, and if not, we'll be taking lots of pictures of that installation.

1029
00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:22,210
Which as I understand it, involves a crane.

1030
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:23,950
Is that correct?

1031
00:53:24,330 --> 00:53:26,450
Yeah, so.

1032
00:53:26,530 --> 00:53:27,690
Should be pretty.

1033
00:53:27,810 --> 00:53:30,410
Dramatic footage for us to to look at.

1034
00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:32,500
Any questions for me?

1035
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,660
Thank you. Thanks.

1036
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,500
OK, let's go to council reports. Let's start with the council member Gray.

1037
00:53:40,410 --> 00:53:43,650
Just one item next Thursday that.

1038
00:53:43,930 --> 00:53:47,650
And Cottonwood High School is having their Cottonwood community night.

1039
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:49,650
From 5:00 to 7:00.

1040
00:53:51,010 --> 00:53:57,650
There's a lot going on that night. There's free food, games, live performances from the school. There's a petting zoo.

1041
00:53:58,610 --> 00:54:02,455
And Holiday City is going to have a booth that Council Member Bradley and I will be manning that night. So if you want to come

1042
00:54:02,455 --> 00:54:06,300
out, don't want to fix dinner.

1043
00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:11,650
And enjoy the community, they do a fantastic job there and it's a really fun evening.

1044
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:13,140
Remind me of the date and time on it.

1045
00:54:13,770 --> 00:54:15,690
Next Thursday, September 10th.

1046
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:18,010
From 5:00 to 7:00.

1047
00:54:23,210 --> 00:54:24,330
I don't have anything tonight.

1048
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,920
Customer Brad.

1049
00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:35,210
Just a couple reminders, we have Blue Moon coming up here in a couple weeks and if you haven't signed up yet for a time.

1050
00:54:35,530 --> 00:54:36,890
For our council booth.

1051
00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:38,570
Pleased to do so and.

1052
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:42,250
We'd love if you'd like to do a couple hours, that's fine. Two of us there.

1053
00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:43,730
Should be great.

1054
00:54:44,090 --> 00:54:49,650
I also wanted to take a moment to thank UPD for their traffic enforcement in our school zones the past.

1055
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:52,210
Couple weeks as school has started.

1056
00:54:52,410 --> 00:54:57,580
I've heard from happy principals and happy parents, so they really appreciate you.

1057
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:58,890
Being out there and.

1058
00:54:59,090 --> 00:54:59,970
Watching over.

1059
00:55:00,050 --> 00:55:01,730
All of our schools. So thank you.

1060
00:55:04,580 --> 00:55:09,180
Just a couple of things. First of all, on Saturday we have the screen agers.

1061
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:11,130
Movie which is.

1062
00:55:11,810 --> 00:55:14,010
Part of the holiday movie series and.

1063
00:55:15,860 --> 00:55:17,860
Deals with the issues of mental health and.

1064
00:55:18,970 --> 00:55:22,810
Social media and that kind of thing. So that'll be a great event if people are available.

1065
00:55:22,890 --> 00:55:23,650
And then the.

1066
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:27,570
The next Saturday is our first Tree talks of the fall season.

1067
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:29,050
And it'll be.

1068
00:55:29,770 --> 00:55:30,610
Dan Braden.

1069
00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:33,490
Grade and teen I think is his name from Rocky Mountain Power.

1070
00:55:33,730 --> 00:55:35,170
And he's going to be talking about.

1071
00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:36,330
Tree planting and.

1072
00:55:36,850 --> 00:55:37,490
Being safe.

1073
00:55:37,570 --> 00:55:39,340
Both with respect to utility.

1074
00:55:39,570 --> 00:55:41,450
Infrastructure and with.

1075
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:43,170
Wildland.

1076
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:44,250
Interface.

1077
00:55:44,370 --> 00:55:45,210
Issues.

1078
00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:47,010
People are interested. I would.

1079
00:55:47,330 --> 00:55:48,730
That's always an interesting event.

1080
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:50,880
Great Councillor Simult.

1081
00:55:51,330 --> 00:55:52,090
Nothing tonight.

1082
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:52,970
OK, very good.

1083
00:55:53,250 --> 00:55:54,210
Two quick items, uh.

1084
00:55:54,610 --> 00:55:58,850
Council Member Bradley and I earlier today went to a grand opening ribbon cutting for.

1085
00:55:58,930 --> 00:55:59,850
The new Fizz.

1086
00:56:01,610 --> 00:56:05,610
Dirty soda joint and the old Piccadilly Fish and Chips building.

1087
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:09,970
And I'm very excited.

1088
00:56:10,530 --> 00:56:12,130
Franchise owner there.

1089
00:56:12,210 --> 00:56:15,090
He's got a couple other locations up in North Salt Lake.

1090
00:56:15,250 --> 00:56:18,290
He lives in Bountiful, but he grew up here and was very excited to open.

1091
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:20,730
A fizzing is a home digs.

1092
00:56:21,130 --> 00:56:24,010
And we wish them the best of luck.

1093
00:56:24,250 --> 00:56:28,010
And I think you enjoyed one of The Dirty sodas and I had a couple of their.

1094
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:28,890
Cups of their.

1095
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,900
Fizz cream puffy things.

1096
00:56:32,010 --> 00:56:35,450
So anyway, I encouraged them to.

1097
00:56:35,730 --> 00:56:38,730
Be excellent in their throughput in order to keep the.

1098
00:56:39,130 --> 00:56:41,490
Back up on the street to a minimum if possible.

1099
00:56:41,850 --> 00:56:44,530
And but he's got a pretty good configuration there and.

1100
00:56:44,730 --> 00:56:46,330
And anyway, worse than it was.

1101
00:56:46,450 --> 00:56:47,850
The best thing about it was.

1102
00:56:48,090 --> 00:56:50,810
You know, to have that building that had fallen into.

1103
00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:52,890
The considerable disrepair.

1104
00:56:53,050 --> 00:56:54,330
Back in action.

1105
00:56:54,490 --> 00:56:56,970
And in good repair and.

1106
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:59,130
Providing a benefit of the community.

1107
00:57:00,050 --> 00:57:04,210
Next thing, oh the other thing, I got a letter again. UPD. I've got a letter from.

1108
00:57:04,690 --> 00:57:08,470
Bonnie Dell of the Arts Council, who was expressing her great appreciation for UPD for all the assistance during the Summer

1109
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:12,250
Concert Series and.

1110
00:57:12,610 --> 00:57:13,770
And she?

1111
00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:17,730
Send a letter I think we got posted on the refrigerator in the break room if you like.

1112
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:19,550
Note of that.

1113
00:57:20,290 --> 00:57:21,090
That's all I have.

1114
00:57:21,810 --> 00:57:24,050
So let's proceed with the.

1115
00:57:25,530 --> 00:57:29,210
Updating our calendars. Our next council meeting is September 17th.

1116
00:57:29,370 --> 00:57:31,850
And then our two meetings in October will be the first.

1117
00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:34,970
And not the 15th, but rather the 22nd.

1118
00:57:35,050 --> 00:57:39,060
So we'll keep make note of that. If you've got recurring entries, you'll need to move the one from the.

1119
00:57:39,250 --> 00:57:40,530
15th to the 22nd.

1120
00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:42,860
So with that.

1121
00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:48,570
Uh, did we decide we didn't need to actually motion this to recess to work meeting? We just need to get?

1122
00:57:48,650 --> 00:57:49,330
Declare it.

1123
00:57:50,370 --> 00:57:51,890
Oh, let's just do that.

1124
00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:58,170
Unless we're into like the ceremony of it or something that's just a recess to a Workman. Anybody need a?

1125
00:57:58,290 --> 00:58:00,050
Break everybody, you doing OK?

1126
00:58:01,540 --> 00:58:05,340
OK, let's proceed to our work meeting. Our first item or.

1127
00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:07,330
First item up on the agenda is.

1128
00:58:07,690 --> 00:58:08,650
Y2.

1129
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,980
Good evening folks, a pleasure to see you all.

1130
00:58:17,370 --> 00:58:19,330
We are just here to chat through the.

1131
00:58:19,570 --> 00:58:21,530
Community Survey I'm.

1132
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:24,940
Gonna do a quick overview of our standard methodology.

1133
00:58:25,090 --> 00:58:26,770
To refresh everyone's memories.

1134
00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:28,850
And then we can do a.

1135
00:58:29,170 --> 00:58:29,730
Sort of. Umm.

1136
00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:32,290
Flyby of the questionnaire itself.

1137
00:58:32,730 --> 00:58:38,050
We've also received a couple requests to add some questions to the communications section.

1138
00:58:38,410 --> 00:58:39,290
So we'll.

1139
00:58:39,370 --> 00:58:43,730
Be making a few changes still if you do have specific questions or topics that.

1140
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:48,730
You think are a high priority for the Council that you'd like us to address? Let us know.

1141
00:58:49,050 --> 00:58:51,050
There are a lot of questions here that.

1142
00:58:51,210 --> 00:58:58,250
We have preserved overtime because the real value is in seeing whether or not public opinion has moved on those issues, so.

1143
00:58:58,770 --> 00:58:59,970
We'll go over all of that.

1144
00:59:00,410 --> 00:59:01,410
But to start off.

1145
00:59:01,490 --> 00:59:08,730
Our methodology for this survey administration is to select a random sample of households throughout the city.

1146
00:59:08,890 --> 00:59:12,730
We send postcard invitations to participate in the survey online.

1147
00:59:12,850 --> 00:59:16,770
And send text message invitations or reminders where we are able to.

1148
00:59:17,290 --> 00:59:21,730
Procure cell phone numbers for those sampled households as well.

1149
00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:25,410
That typically results in a pretty healthy response rate. I think the last time we conducted this survey in holiday, we had just

1150
00:59:25,410 --> 00:59:28,930
over 600 responses.

1151
00:59:29,570 --> 00:59:30,410
And uh.

1152
00:59:30,610 --> 00:59:31,410
That was the.

1153
00:59:31,610 --> 00:59:34,130
Just shy of two years ago now, so.

1154
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:35,850
We're ready to come back out and.

1155
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:38,050
Take another pulse from the community.

1156
00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:42,835
The survey will be in the field for approximately 10 days, so we'll keep things open for residents to respond at their leisure

1157
00:59:42,835 --> 00:59:46,940
during that time.

1158
00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:48,810
And again, they'll receive.

1159
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:54,490
Text message invitation and or reminder depending on how our response rates are looking so that we can make sure we have a good

1160
00:59:54,490 --> 00:59:59,490
balanced sample demographically and geographically of residents of the city as a whole.

1161
01:00:00,770 --> 01:00:02,010
Any questions there?

1162
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:10,340
Great. OK. So going through the questionnaire again, sort of at a high level here for the sake of time.

1163
01:00:10,450 --> 01:00:13,690
We start out with some introductory questions looking at residents, overall quality of life, and high level perceptions of the

1164
01:00:13,690 --> 01:00:16,930
city.

1165
01:00:17,050 --> 01:00:22,375
One request we received from the communications department was to add a question about a sense of belonging in the city of Holiday

1166
01:00:22,375 --> 01:00:27,700
to add to some of our quality of life measures here. So.

1167
01:00:27,850 --> 01:00:31,930
We're going to insert that into this section of the survey.

1168
01:00:32,210 --> 01:00:37,730
And then we have some high level approval questions for the mayor and City Council for yourselves and then?

1169
01:00:38,210 --> 01:00:41,790
Perceptions of how the city has changed overtime, if at all things folks like most things, they are most concerned about looking

1170
01:00:41,790 --> 01:00:45,370
toward the future.

1171
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:48,010
And then some evaluations of.

1172
01:00:48,210 --> 01:00:53,290
The city as a good place to live, it's sort of a referral or market research.

1173
01:00:53,410 --> 01:00:54,530
Metric there.

1174
01:00:54,690 --> 01:00:55,730
For overall performance.

1175
01:00:56,730 --> 01:01:01,060
We then move into a section of the survey that focuses on city services, so.

1176
01:01:01,290 --> 01:01:03,900
Value for the tax dollar that residents receive.

1177
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:06,210
Overall perceptions of.

1178
01:01:06,330 --> 01:01:08,970
City management and performance in that way.

1179
01:01:09,050 --> 01:01:11,770
If folks feel that there are businesses in.

1180
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,400
Lacking in the city or things they would like to see? We've asked to follow up.

1181
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:20,720
Question to get a sense of what it is they would like to see more of in terms of economic development opportunities.

1182
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:27,160
We look at individual city service evaluations here, both those cities provided directly by or services to.

1183
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:32,440
Provided directly by the city and those that are provided by contracted agencies the city works with.

1184
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,240
And ask for.

1185
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:39,880
Any specific comments folks have regarding any of those services or their experiences within the past year?

1186
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:41,680
We then have a.

1187
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:48,380
Budget allocation exercise question that gives us a sense of residents priorities for potential improvements or additional funding

1188
01:01:48,380 --> 01:01:54,920
as we're looking toward the future. So areas where residents might like to see more investment from the city.

1189
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:02,480
Go ahead. Perfect. Then our news and communication section. We're looking at communication sources that residents are currently

1190
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:07,920
relying on and the sources that they would most prefer to receive information.

1191
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,680
From and then the cadence of which they.

1192
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,240
At which they receive communication from the city. How satisfied they are there.

1193
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,760
Again, a couple of questions from the communications department that they've requested that we add.

1194
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:21,920
Include.

1195
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,330
Whether residents feel that they are.

1196
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:31,320
Whether they feel their neighbors are informed about city events, We're we're working on how to ask that question in a diplomatic

1197
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,560
way without offending anyone or just causing speculation. But.

1198
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:37,280
I think it's.

1199
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,800
It's important to understand.

1200
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:40,640
Whether there is sort of a?

1201
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:46,480
A word of mouth network that is or is not informing participation and enthusiasm for city events.

1202
01:02:47,610 --> 01:02:49,250
And then we have.

1203
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,720
Overall response to.

1204
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,200
Direct contact with the city, so if residents have reached out to a city office.

1205
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,290
How was their experience, are they satisfied or not and if they had any comments about that?

1206
01:03:01,730 --> 01:03:08,090
We then have a new section for the survey this year that is focused on the city's Independence Day celebration.

1207
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:14,840
And looking at evaluations of different aspects of the event, specifically following up on satisfaction with the drone show from

1208
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:21,400
this year, so whether residents participated there and what they thought about it. We want to get a good high level pulse.

1209
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,880
And then looking at future events, what?

1210
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:30,320
Components for the Independence Day celebration folks would like to see continued.

1211
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:36,060
We include in that list of options both fireworks and a drone show because one of the main goals of this section is to understand

1212
01:03:36,060 --> 01:03:41,640
the appetite from residents for.

1213
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,760
A traditional fireworks show.

1214
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,280
Versus the drone show alternative so.

1215
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,200
Looking at that going forward.

1216
01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:51,610
And then a potential date.

1217
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,800
Forward that Independence Day celebration.

1218
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,600
Looking at 2027 and the the calendaring.

1219
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:57,480
Trick there.

1220
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,520
So the last.

1221
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:05,580
Substantive section of the survey here is focused on neighborhoods and housing, so looking at attributes of residents,

1222
01:04:05,580 --> 01:04:10,560
neighborhoods, their perceptions of accessibility, amenities, et cetera.

1223
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:11,800
And then?

1224
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,800
The types of housing that are available within their neighborhoods, whether they think things would be or types of developments,

1225
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:21,600
would be a good fit for their part of the city or not.

1226
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,000
And then we added a question.

1227
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,960
Or two about sidewalks and St. lighting.

1228
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,770
This year, so whether the amount and.

1229
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,240
Quality or?

1230
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,240
Maintenance of.

1231
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:39,400
Streetlights and sidewalks is appropriate or needs adjustment one way or another.

1232
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,240
And then the last section of the survey is just our demographics. So again, making sure that we have a good representative sample

1233
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:48,040
of residents of the city of Holiday as a whole.

1234
01:04:49,790 --> 01:04:52,410
Any questions or comments?

1235
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:53,280
Given that.

1236
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:54,280
Brief overview.

1237
01:04:56,070 --> 01:04:58,350
What's the time frame for the drop in the?

1238
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,520
Collection. Great question.

1239
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:05,520
So once we have approved the survey, we're looking to get into the field just.

1240
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,600
After Labor Day weekend, which?

1241
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:12,400
Right around the corner now, so we're looking at probably mailing out our postcards.

1242
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,200
Late next week, early the following week.

1243
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,800
Again, avoiding as many fall holiday.

1244
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,040
End of summer holidays as we can.

1245
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:25,520
Will again be collecting responses for somewhere between 10 days to two weeks.

1246
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,920
And then we will have results to share with the city in a council meeting.

1247
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,600
November at the latest, but we're looking at probably having.

1248
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:38,320
Results to share by the end of October, so possibly even that October 22nd meeting.

1249
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,880
With regard to the like sidewalks and streetlights and those sorts of.

1250
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,720
Issues I noted there wasn't necessarily a question of.

1251
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,360
If you want to have.

1252
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,640
More or better lighting or sidewalks?

1253
01:05:51,470 --> 01:05:53,770
How much are you willing to pay for that? Because it's not free.

1254
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,880
Because sometimes when you ask.

1255
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,440
I'm wondering about those questions if there's not a.

1256
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:00,880
A question that sort of reminds them that.

1257
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,520
Those don't just fall from the trees.

1258
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,320
How that kind of affects the responsiveness if you don't have a?

1259
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,160
That's a related question regarding.

1260
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,080
Sure what it would cost him.

1261
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:14,800
Yeah, we do have.

1262
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:21,740
Both sidewalks and St. lighting included in the services evaluation section. So where we're playing that budget allocation

1263
01:06:21,740 --> 01:06:28,000
exercise which will help us understand a sense of priority to some extent, where.

1264
01:06:28,780 --> 01:06:33,410
We don't have specific proposals in front of us for residents for.

1265
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,960
A section of sidewalk or streetlights for a particular neighborhood.

1266
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,960
It would be difficult to present that question with a dollar amount to residents in a way that isn't.

1267
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:47,245
You know, misleading or flippant. So if there is a specific proposal under consideration, that's something that we would want to

1268
01:06:47,245 --> 01:06:52,130
pose to residents with a dollar amount attached.

1269
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,640
We could also ask a general willingness to pay question.

1270
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,700
But again, without being able to contextualize that with some frame of reference of, this is what we anticipate it would cost to

1271
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:03,600
complete.

1272
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:10,120
X number of miles of additional sidewalk or whatever the case may be, but you still think the.

1273
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:15,000
The value of the data you get back without that additional cost context is still.

1274
01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:17,210
Because it's still worth asking.

1275
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:24,480
I think so. I think again, understanding the the level of priority for different areas of the city can then inform.

1276
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,520
Whether we explore future projects for.

1277
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:34,050
Additional sidewalks or streetlights if there are specific neighborhoods where there is a lot of enthusiasm compared to.

1278
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,250
Other areas where folks are satisfied with things the way they are.

1279
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:38,320
That can.

1280
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:39,240
Provide a lot of.

1281
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,680
Clear direction to the city's planning department.

1282
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,040
And then do you, do you have a sense? I'm not even sure how?

1283
01:07:45,860 --> 01:07:47,610
What the current environment is?

1284
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,000
From the larger context, how might you know how?

1285
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:51,360
People can.

1286
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,880
That are making a judgment about something this big.

1287
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,400
Within the environment that this big is horrible right now, and so it affects their judgments.

1288
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,840
Yeah. So I don't know if I asked that very diplomatically or not, but.

1289
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,200
And I don't even know, you know, what this is right now. It's crazy, but I don't.

1290
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:15,440
You know, I don't know not how it would affect, you know, this. Yeah. And we, you know, we've seen.

1291
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,880
National and state level mood affect some of our city survey results in the past.

1292
01:08:22,350 --> 01:08:29,430
Frankly, it will be interesting to see how things shake out this time. I don't have a clear sense heading into.

1293
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,960
This midterm election cycle, how much?

1294
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,360
Noise is going to be top of mind for holiday residents.

1295
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:36,960
But that is something that.

1296
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,920
That we'll want to keep in mind when we're interpreting those results.

1297
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,200
We'll see it in the open-ended comments section at the end of this. I can tell you that much. If it's going like this, we'll have

1298
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:48,080
an excuse that we can blame it on the larger. Exactly.

1299
01:08:50,370 --> 01:08:56,690
And one thing I'd add, Mayor, is that as part of our reason for moving this a little ahead and the cycle is to.

1300
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,840
Separate relative to the election, yeah, that was.

1301
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,600
The reason for my first question about timetable, ma'am.

1302
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:03,800
Anyone else?

1303
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,280
I just on.

1304
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,810
From what source do you currently see most of your information about the city of Holiday?

1305
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:15,200
Yes, I was wondering about next door app notifications. I know my neighborhood and other neighborhoods.

1306
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:21,080
Don't use that app as much. It felt like a little too specific. You said next door or other group.

1307
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,200
Apps might just broaden up.

1308
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,000
Yeah, we do bring platforms that I see.

1309
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:32,200
Whether it's next door or WhatsApp or GroupMe or any of those ones, so to.

1310
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,330
Clarify that a little bit. Yep, that's helpful. Are there?

1311
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:36,800
Other apps.

1312
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,010
For which that the city uses for.

1313
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,440
Its own official communication dissemination.

1314
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,930
That aren't on this list, I guess is.

1315
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:48,480
The main reason we've included next Door is because the city has had a presence there in the past.

1316
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:49,360
Again, if.

1317
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,000
If it makes sense to just broaden that to.

1318
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,720
App use generally might not. We might be capturing.

1319
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,160
More than official city communication. But that's not necessarily a.

1320
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,000
Drawback. Well, I think that.

1321
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:06,985
For so much of the things that we find out about in the city are word of mouth that now happens through some of these informal

1322
01:10:06,985 --> 01:10:11,850
channels. So maybe I don't know if you want to add a separate category to clarify that, but.

1323
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:12,600
I think.

1324
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,650
I just think that's how a lot of communication is happening these days that it might be interesting to capture so.

1325
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,120
Perfect. Very helpful. Thank you.

1326
01:10:20,460 --> 01:10:22,210
So to my understanding correctly that.

1327
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,600
The questions about more.

1328
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:25,680
Or fewer.

1329
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,090
Sidewalks and streetlights, though? That's a new question this cycle.

1330
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,520
We've asked, I believe we asked the sidewalks question.

1331
01:10:34,270 --> 01:10:41,210
Not the previous survey, but the survey before and perhaps the streetlight question as well. I we've alternated a little bit.

1332
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,000
Just based on other priorities that were present in the last administration of the survey.

1333
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:47,080
But it is.

1334
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,960
Newly reintroduced to the survey this year.

1335
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:50,680
Thank you.

1336
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,960
Yep, since.

1337
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:58,280
You ask a fireworks question regarding the 4th of July celebration.

1338
01:10:59,180 --> 01:11:01,500
How? What do you think of?

1339
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,520
Putting a general fireworks question, and I know it's been.

1340
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:06,720
Quite, umm.

1341
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:13,250
Hot button issue? I don't know, maybe we don't want to go there, but I'm wondering if you know.

1342
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,000
How do you do a question about personal?

1343
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,320
Personal fire. Personal fireworks. I wondered about that too.

1344
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,760
So. So are you asking me?

1345
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,400
Like do you support?

1346
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,240
Individuals rights to use their to.

1347
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:27,330
Let off fireworks like.

1348
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:28,720
Independent of.

1349
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,640
Yes, like drought conditions or just.

1350
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,960
Or just just say.

1351
01:11:36,610 --> 01:11:39,010
Not even bring drought into it. Just say do you?

1352
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:43,400
Think individuals should be able to let off fireworks?

1353
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:50,000
The thing that gives me pause on that I am curious about the answer to that question.

1354
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,480
But the thing it gives me pause about including that in the survey would be.

1355
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,400
The decision matrix that we've been going through is strictly based on.

1356
01:11:58,480 --> 01:11:59,400
Fire risk.

1357
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,400
And and so we've kind of established that's our.

1358
01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:04,790
Our metric.

1359
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:06,440
And, umm.

1360
01:12:09,690 --> 01:12:10,970
I just.

1361
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,840
An odd slope to go down if we get into the.

1362
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,120
Personal opinions about.

1363
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:16,160
Fireworks.

1364
01:12:18,580 --> 01:12:22,380
I don't know. That's still a good question. I don't know what the answer is for myself.

1365
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:27,810
And but I but I I am concerned if we go down there if then our.

1366
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,480
Future decision making.

1367
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,360
Gets muddied away from our current matrix.

1368
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,160
Which is essentially.

1369
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,160
Fire safety.

1370
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:38,040
I don't know though that.

1371
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,040
I mean, we could ask the question, doesn't mean you have to.

1372
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,080
Necessarily, uh.

1373
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:44,760
Follow.

1374
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,760
A trend or or anything like that?

1375
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,360
It just would be data to have.

1376
01:12:51,740 --> 01:12:55,620
One concern I might have is that our.

1377
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,400
What your role can be is limited by state law.

1378
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:06,680
And in advance of a legislative session where I understand this issue might be coming up, I'm a.

1379
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,240
A little wary to.

1380
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,800
To wade into this water.

1381
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:19,360
Without being really, really cautious about our language, so if it's something that the Council is really interested in.

1382
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,920
Perhaps we can craft a question that is pretty.

1383
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:23,560
Narrow.

1384
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,160
That would be my concern is is.

1385
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,400
Overstating the authority of the Council currently has.

1386
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:33,640
State law and that's.

1387
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,800
Kind of along the lines of my concerns.

1388
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,440
Well, because we've been able to make that decision.

1389
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:39,960
Based on the.

1390
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,600
The narrow path that we have to.

1391
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:43,530
To do those restrictions.

1392
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,720
We don't really have a path.

1393
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:48,250
With regard to.

1394
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:49,080
Preference.

1395
01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:51,780
Is that a fair statement?

1396
01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:54,810
Well, never mind then.

1397
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,400
It is a mission question. Yeah, I might get us into hot water.

1398
01:14:02,780 --> 01:14:04,090
Any other thoughts or questions?

1399
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:07,290
OK. Thank you all for your time.

1400
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,320
Thank you. Thanks.

1401
01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:12,220
OK, uh.

1402
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,880
Last up is discussion of previous public hearings.

1403
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,600
First one, of course, was the.

1404
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,000
Arts and culture is not all the use.

1405
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:26,880
During the public hearing, at least our comments, we had come up with a couple of little issues about whether or not we've.

1406
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:28,640
Boxed ourselves in it all.

1407
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,920
Any other concerns?

1408
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:33,680
Questions. Comments.

1409
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:38,770
I just want to make it clear that in the short term, I don't think you're boxed in.

1410
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,530
I don't worry about your Blue Moon Festival. I don't worry about things that are going on now.

1411
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:43,730
But looking forward, I think.

1412
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,920
That's a good thing to think about.

1413
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:50,280
Is there a permitting process or something for those city sponsored events?

1414
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:55,450
The way that I interpret your ordinance.

1415
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,920
Through the land use table under the P zone.

1416
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,200
His allowed recreation.

1417
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:01,280
Outdoor uses.

1418
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,160
When you look at that definition of recreation, outdoor.

1419
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,920
It includes cultural events, amphitheater.

1420
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,480
Type uses so.

1421
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:14,410
I think that's where we've been operating within that definition of. That's why I have outcome right now.

1422
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,120
With a more specific definition, I think we ought to look at that.

1423
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,520
To answer your question.

1424
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,880
For larger events like.

1425
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,280
I think we get a mass gathering permit.

1426
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:32,640
For the 4th of July, I believe we're getting one for Blue Moon this year as well.

1427
01:15:33,850 --> 01:15:35,810
There are particular events that we follow that.

1428
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,120
Defined process for.

1429
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:42,680
But that that's really it for city events. Those are county permits though, right?

1430
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,440
OK. But we don't permit ourselves from the city permit?

1431
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:47,920
To do our own thing.

1432
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:54,600
We follow a lot of the same structure though in terms of internal review.

1433
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:56,640
From both the.

1434
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,760
Police side and our public works and roadside.

1435
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:05,240
It sounds like if we have Strawberry fields come perform again, we probably will need a mass gathering permit for them as well.

1436
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,480
Yeah, it sounds like, it sounds like we can move forward on this.

1437
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,880
Without without too much heartache and then.

1438
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,760
And then just resolve these issues before next summer.

1439
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,440
It makes sense to me.

1440
01:16:21,780 --> 01:16:23,100
I'm glad you brought that up though.

1441
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,000
Anything else on the?

1442
01:16:25,850 --> 01:16:27,410
Arts and culture.

1443
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:30,400
OK, very good.

1444
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,920
OK. Let's move on then to the other public hearing regarding the the.

1445
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:36,480
The zone change.

1446
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:38,840
Yeah, so I guess.

1447
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,440
The the the big item is.

1448
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:42,160
Yeah, there's that.

1449
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:43,680
Communal uh.

1450
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,120
Stormwater handling assets.

1451
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:50,560
And I guess there had been some confusion early on, perhaps when there was a.

1452
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:57,000
A neighborhood meeting? Perhaps the developer had some conceptual designs that hadn't been reviewed or appeared.

1453
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,000
For approved or blessed by the city.

1454
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,400
That had not given adequate attention to.

1455
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,440
Those storm water assets?

1456
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:04,880
But that has since been.

1457
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,640
Corrected. I understand where.

1458
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,160
They understand that those assets are there and that.

1459
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:10,960
They're important to us.

1460
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,000
And they need to develop around them.

1461
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,360
And then also with regard to the trees, of course.

1462
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,400
Our tree ordinance protects.

1463
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:19,480
Trees not only in.

1464
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:21,760
You know the.

1465
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,640
Parking strip in the front of properties in the city, right of way, but also along.

1466
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,680
Canals and waterways.

1467
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,680
And so those would not be.

1468
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:35,680
Uh, randomly have to down too, and that they're protected by the true.

1469
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,280
Yeah, you for?

1470
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,880
Standard you have 20 feet from the top of the Bank of the canal.

1471
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:41,760
Everything.

1472
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,920
Toward the property will be protected.

1473
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,400
Right. And then the other some other concerns about.

1474
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,760
That the R1 zone is.

1475
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:56,000
Is generally the most generous to neighboring properties, right? In terms of.

1476
01:17:56,860 --> 01:18:00,170
Set back and in terms of heights generally.

1477
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,640
Because the more dense you tend to get less set back and.

1478
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,080
More height, right?

1479
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,730
Because you're trying to incorporate private driveways and turnarounds and things of that nature.

1480
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,760
Um, based on the applicants change.

1481
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,560
Our clarification in his lot sizes.

1482
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,160
The rear yard set back.

1483
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,560
Gets grows to 35 feet away from my rear property lines.

1484
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,760
Which will make that West side.

1485
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:28,395
It would be interesting to see how they come, how they can comply with that ordinance. Yeah. So the larger the lot, the bigger the

1486
01:18:28,395 --> 01:18:32,050
set back a little bit more height.

1487
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:33,120
Perhaps, but then.

1488
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,960
The set back has also increased.

1489
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,130
To offset that, yeah, same with this, the side yards as well.

1490
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,480
Obviously the larger of the lot.

1491
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:43,560
That dimension.

1492
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,080
Yeah, greatly increases.

1493
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,610
Yeah, so it is ends up being the most generous.

1494
01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:51,940
In terms of R1 at least.

1495
01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:54,600
Compare our 10 or.

1496
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,160
R110 versus R121, but.

1497
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,720
R110 is the one that's compatible with the surrounding neighborhood, so.

1498
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,080
But but the other.

1499
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:04,920
Options could have been.

1500
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:07,320
R28 or R210?

1501
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:08,360
Which, uh.

1502
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,560
Are not more generous, if anything less generous.

1503
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:13,960
They would be very similar to the Sunnybrook.

1504
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:15,280
Development, right?

1505
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,240
Right, so.

1506
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:18,040
I just wanted to.

1507
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,800
I'm trying to remember. So he said that he wants to build.

1508
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:22,120
Two half acre.

1509
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:23,320
Lots of that, right?

1510
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:25,240
3 heavy locks.

1511
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,850
To me, some of the concerns that were expressed about traffic with three more houses I'm I'm not terribly concerned about.

1512
01:19:32,860 --> 01:19:33,730
About 3 more.

1513
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,320
Houses worth of traffic.

1514
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,960
Yeah, It sounds like some of the other issues that they're dealing with or.

1515
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:40,080
Are issues that.

1516
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,770
Could be addressed, but are independent of this.

1517
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:43,930
Particular issue.

1518
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:45,670
Yeah, I think the.

1519
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,080
You know the foot traffic from seminary just moves it.

1520
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,440
A little bit from the South, a little bit north, so it doesn't change the volumes at all.

1521
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:54,600
Yeah, and.

1522
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,960
And also diminishes.

1523
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:58,720
Traffic.

1524
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,320
From regular Sunday worship service and whatever during the week.

1525
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:03,800
Things happen at.

1526
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,250
What would be the word building there?

1527
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:13,280
And but you have 3 households. I mean it's commercial that generates traffic and trips residential.

1528
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:14,720
Particularly R1.

1529
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,400
Doesn't generate.

1530
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:19,880
Meaningful traffic.

1531
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:20,720
Actually.

1532
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,280
The traffic will be diminished because right now.

1533
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:25,760
The church parking lot is being.

1534
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:26,680
Used by.

1535
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,000
Olympus Students.

1536
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:29,800
And once the.

1537
01:20:30,610 --> 01:20:32,130
Once this is all built.

1538
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:36,000
That will be gone, so there will be actually a little bit less traffic.

1539
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,160
I'm curious at which.

1540
01:20:38,890 --> 01:20:40,930
Is it on the east or the West side?

1541
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:42,880
They're proposing to put the road.

1542
01:20:44,570 --> 01:20:45,930
On the South side.

1543
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,560
Excuse me, North or South? So it is I was.

1544
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,880
South of the church down OK, I was curious because of what the woman that.

1545
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,080
That lives on Sunnybrook. Why was asking?

1546
01:20:58,720 --> 01:20:59,360
So that.

1547
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,120
Those 3.

1548
01:21:02,210 --> 01:21:03,490
Twin homes will be.

1549
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:04,840
No, do I not?

1550
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,960
Excuse me, These these three? Yeah.

1551
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:09,160
Those will be.

1552
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:13,410
Dells will back up to a backyard, but it'll be a.

1553
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,120
Either a backyard or a seminary.

1554
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:16,800
Is that right?

1555
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:18,080
Yeah, and.

1556
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:24,730
Where that little where it's the label R110 below the R, there's that little island of landscaping.

1557
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,200
Generally you can draw a circle around that where the cul-de-sac.

1558
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,600
Be installed. Oh OK.

1559
01:21:32,110 --> 01:21:32,790
Thank you.

1560
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:34,840
Can you remind me, John?

1561
01:21:35,020 --> 01:21:36,980
What the process will be for?

1562
01:21:37,380 --> 01:21:38,750
Public input on.

1563
01:21:39,420 --> 01:21:40,740
Things going forward like.

1564
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,830
The storm drainage issues on the.

1565
01:21:43,980 --> 01:21:45,700
Heights and setbacks and things.

1566
01:21:46,140 --> 01:21:49,100
Sure, for the subdivision application.

1567
01:21:49,220 --> 01:21:54,110
Before the Planning Commission will notify the same 500 feet around the property.

1568
01:21:54,540 --> 01:21:58,300
And we'll take comment on what's being proposed on layout.

1569
01:21:58,700 --> 01:21:59,940
The access part.

1570
01:22:00,140 --> 01:22:05,900
And the technical review committee's recommendation on what's being proposed for that drainage system, if anything at all.

1571
01:22:06,580 --> 01:22:08,780
So it would be available as far as.

1572
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:11,500
Civil level drawings.

1573
01:22:11,860 --> 01:22:12,580
To the public.

1574
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:14,340
On our website and in that meeting.

1575
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,870
And also the protection of the trees along the canal.

1576
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,120
I had a question.

1577
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:26,300
Looking at Mr. catches e-mail.

1578
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:27,820
He mentioned a.

1579
01:22:28,220 --> 01:22:29,540
Pipe A large pipe.

1580
01:22:29,660 --> 01:22:31,260
That he had concerns about.

1581
01:22:31,580 --> 01:22:32,620
I don't know if that was.

1582
01:22:32,740 --> 01:22:37,100
Discussed in this meeting, I think he mentioned or the developer mentioned that they had earlier or.

1583
01:22:37,420 --> 01:22:41,100
If that's an issue that the city has any involvement with or is that just out of our?

1584
01:22:41,220 --> 01:22:42,300
Our scope I can let.

1585
01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:46,390
Jared answered that question for you. He knows about pipes better than I do.

1586
01:22:56,420 --> 01:22:57,580
It's actually pipe.

1587
01:22:59,100 --> 01:22:59,660
Not pipe.

1588
01:23:01,140 --> 01:23:02,060
The city.

1589
01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:04,100
Has 2 facilities.

1590
01:23:04,220 --> 01:23:06,340
Crosses this property 1 is a.

1591
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:12,070
About a 30 or 36 inch storm drain that comes off of 2300 E.

1592
01:23:12,460 --> 01:23:13,660
That collects water.

1593
01:23:13,780 --> 01:23:15,580
From 39th South.

1594
01:23:15,660 --> 01:23:18,060
And further north into Mill Creek.

1595
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:25,830
That 30 or 36 inch pipe discharges into the upper canal.

1596
01:23:26,380 --> 01:23:29,380
The Upper canal is a city owned facility.

1597
01:23:30,100 --> 01:23:32,340
We have.

1598
01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:40,550
A leasing or some kind of an agreement with the upper canal to allow the upper canal to convey their irrigation water.

1599
01:23:40,820 --> 01:23:44,260
In the that canal.

1600
01:23:46,060 --> 01:23:48,060
The canal is piped in a.

1601
01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:51,500
Large diameter pipe that's over.

1602
01:23:51,620 --> 01:23:53,780
About 80 inches diameter.

1603
01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:55,940
From Sway to Drive.

1604
01:23:56,380 --> 01:23:57,700
Up to.

1605
01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:01,220
Where you see the blue line there?

1606
01:24:01,940 --> 01:24:05,940
So it runs, I don't know the exact length of that, about 300 feet.

1607
01:24:06,020 --> 01:24:07,460
Crosses over into the.

1608
01:24:07,660 --> 01:24:10,460
That church property about 100 feet.

1609
01:24:11,700 --> 01:24:13,340
That discharges.

1610
01:24:13,540 --> 01:24:20,340
They're the 30 inch pipe I was referring to that comes off of 2300 days discharges into a.

1611
01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:22,540
A detention basin.

1612
01:24:23,380 --> 01:24:24,380
With the.

1613
01:24:25,540 --> 01:24:27,340
Control structure wall.

1614
01:24:28,060 --> 01:24:32,780
Before discharges into the canal. So it is a fairly complicated.

1615
01:24:34,090 --> 01:24:37,230
Irrigation slash stormwater control.

1616
01:24:38,020 --> 01:24:39,900
System there on the property.

1617
01:24:40,220 --> 01:24:45,900
The city is very aware of the facilities, the condition of the facilities and how they function.

1618
01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:48,860
That is why we did meet.

1619
01:24:48,980 --> 01:24:50,100
With the property.

1620
01:24:50,460 --> 01:24:54,460
The the buyer and just explain those things to him.

1621
01:24:54,620 --> 01:24:55,660
And reiterate.

1622
01:24:55,900 --> 01:24:56,620
Some of the.

1623
01:24:57,100 --> 01:24:59,380
Things brought forward in Mr. Gedge's e-mail.

1624
01:25:01,020 --> 01:25:02,100
Is there any umm.

1625
01:25:03,660 --> 01:25:04,900
Outstanding.

1626
01:25:06,780 --> 01:25:08,220
Maintenance needs that.

1627
01:25:08,580 --> 01:25:10,140
We can take advantage of, you know.

1628
01:25:10,380 --> 01:25:11,580
Demo period and.

1629
01:25:11,660 --> 01:25:15,500
Because it'd be easier to do it during the demo period than after these new houses are built.

1630
01:25:16,140 --> 01:25:18,420
But that's only if there's a need for any.

1631
01:25:18,900 --> 01:25:21,260
Particular maintenance there was a suggestion that.

1632
01:25:21,340 --> 01:25:22,940
The detention basin head.

1633
01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:26,020
Build up some with some you know.

1634
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:27,550
Sediment along the years.

1635
01:25:28,140 --> 01:25:29,180
Is there an opportunity?

1636
01:25:29,340 --> 01:25:32,700
Clear out sediment to increase the capacity of the tension basin.

1637
01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:33,820
Or do you?

1638
01:25:34,140 --> 01:25:35,380
Not foresee the.

1639
01:25:35,580 --> 01:25:37,260
The capacity is an issue.

1640
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:42,060
So the church property was actually having some problems.

1641
01:25:44,140 --> 01:25:45,220
There was a.

1642
01:25:45,620 --> 01:25:46,940
Pipe that was.

1643
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:52,510
Damaged or something and was causing a fair bit of erosion right at that.

1644
01:25:52,860 --> 01:25:54,140
Control structure.

1645
01:25:54,860 --> 01:25:57,260
We did work with the church to have.

1646
01:25:57,340 --> 01:25:59,300
Their storm drains rerouted.

1647
01:25:59,620 --> 01:26:02,340
They have gone in.

1648
01:26:02,460 --> 01:26:06,540
And rerouted those into the detention facility without.

1649
01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:09,740
Well, they're by bypassing the.

1650
01:26:10,180 --> 01:26:11,100
Sections of the.

1651
01:26:11,180 --> 01:26:12,020
The pipe.

1652
01:26:13,740 --> 01:26:16,300
In that process, there was a fair bit of.

1653
01:26:16,580 --> 01:26:17,980
Maintenance done on that did.

1654
01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:20,070
Tension basin at that time.

1655
01:26:20,500 --> 01:26:22,100
We do look at the.

1656
01:26:22,220 --> 01:26:23,220
Detention basis.

1657
01:26:23,340 --> 01:26:24,540
Base it on a regular.

1658
01:26:24,740 --> 01:26:25,620
Basis.

1659
01:26:25,980 --> 01:26:27,780
It can't fill up with trash.

1660
01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:30,940
Tossed over from the teenagers, mostly.

1661
01:26:31,700 --> 01:26:33,660
Which gets a little frustrating.

1662
01:26:36,020 --> 01:26:37,380
But as far as?

1663
01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:44,100
Capacity with regards to the sediment fill, which can happen overtime. Right now it's it's.

1664
01:26:44,780 --> 01:26:48,540
At a manageable state, we may ask Ivory to.

1665
01:26:48,660 --> 01:26:50,180
Do a little touch up with it.

1666
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:51,980
But as of now, it's not a.

1667
01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:52,620
Concern.

1668
01:26:53,380 --> 01:26:54,220
There is.

1669
01:26:55,850 --> 01:26:59,070
Regular sediment deposition as well in the upper canal.

1670
01:26:59,460 --> 01:27:02,060
Including in the 80 inch diameter pipe.

1671
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:05,780
Not much that we could do about that.

1672
01:27:06,620 --> 01:27:12,380
There's a very large capacity in that pipe, so also right now it's not a concern for the city.

1673
01:27:13,060 --> 01:27:15,140
We have video camera the 30 inch.

1674
01:27:15,340 --> 01:27:18,180
Or again I don't know, 3036 inch pipe.

1675
01:27:18,380 --> 01:27:20,260
And it seems to be in.

1676
01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:22,220
A fair condition?

1677
01:27:22,420 --> 01:27:23,140
As well.

1678
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:25,860
It's not one of the corrugated metal pipes that we.

1679
01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:30,220
Historical problem with It's a concrete reinforced pipe and.

1680
01:27:30,580 --> 01:27:31,460
It's holding up.

1681
01:27:31,820 --> 01:27:33,020
As we would expect.

1682
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:34,550
OK.

1683
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,750
All right. Thank you.

1684
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,480
Uh, any other questions, concerns, items?

1685
01:27:45,820 --> 01:27:46,340
Discuss.

1686
01:27:46,780 --> 01:27:48,340
Or the one.

1687
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:52,980
OK, well, I'm pleased to know that you know the city's certainly.

1688
01:27:53,420 --> 01:27:54,380
On top of the.

1689
01:27:54,940 --> 01:27:57,180
The engineering issues and the.

1690
01:27:57,380 --> 01:28:00,140
That those storm drain facilities are as important.

1691
01:28:00,460 --> 01:28:02,780
Das is the rustling community and that the.

1692
01:28:03,220 --> 01:28:04,300
Your developer is.

1693
01:28:04,580 --> 01:28:05,260
Made aware of it.

1694
01:28:05,340 --> 01:28:05,860
And that.

1695
01:28:06,580 --> 01:28:08,300
Their site development plans will be.

1696
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:10,460
Adequately scrutinized to.

1697
01:28:10,540 --> 01:28:12,460
For the protection of those stormwater assets.

1698
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:14,790
Um, OK.

1699
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:19,500
There's nothing else then. I think that was the.

1700
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:22,300
Last item I presume there's no closed session.

1701
01:28:23,140 --> 01:28:25,100
OK, given that.

1702
01:28:26,250 --> 01:28:27,390
Close 15 minutes late.

1703
01:28:28,780 --> 01:28:29,540
Motion to adjourn.

1704
01:28:30,460 --> 01:28:30,940
2nd.

1705
01:28:31,260 --> 01:28:31,940
All in favor.

1706
01:28:33,060 --> 01:28:33,260
Aye.