[0:00] OK, I got the thumbs up.
[0:02] Even though I'm showing only 559.
[0:07] OK, welcome.
[0:08] To City Council meeting for September 3rd.
[0:12] Call the meeting to order and as always, we'll start with the Pledge of Allegiance.
[0:16] We'll ask Council Member Samuel.
[0:22] I'd like to.
[0:24] Of the United States of America.
[0:26] And to the Republic for which it stands.
[0:29] One nation under God.
[0:32] Indivisible.
[0:33] With liberty and justice for all.
[0:38] OK. Thank you.
[0:39] Now, we do have tonight two public hearings.
[0:44] One on a text amendment.
[0:47] For updating use table for the village zone.
[0:51] And a second public hearing regarding rezone.
[0:54] Across the street from Columbus High School.
[0:57] If you're here to make.
[0:58] Comment on either of those two issues, please hold off.
[1:01] Until we open public comment or the public hearing on those issues.
[1:06] Otherwise, if you'd like to speak with the Council about anything else under the sun, public comment is your time.
[1:13] And so public comment is now open and I see Truly the librarian here, so she'll show you how it's done.
[1:25] Trudy from the library.
[1:27] We're doing lots of fun things. It's mythology month and there's stuff every day, so I'm not going to go over hardly any of it.
[1:34] Except that there's origami on the 19th and.
[1:36] That's at 10:30 and it's awesome.
[1:38] We also are having our.
[1:40] Since schools started, our first after school crew is going to start at the third Wednesday of every month. It's for kids 6 to 9.
[1:44] It's science, it's art, it's.
[1:48] Snacks. It's fun.
[1:51] We are also having a Halloween bash. We're starting early.
[1:55] So that'll be on October 8th from 4:00 to 6:00. It's a drop in event.
[1:59] And we're starting a new program in October on the 9th. It'll be every other Friday.
[2:03] And it's called Baby Gym.
[2:04] And it's at 10:00.
[2:06] So.
[2:07] There's something at 10:00 every Friday. There's either play and learn or there's baby gym.
[2:11] So come on in for those things if those are appropriate for your people.
[2:14] We are also going to have a happy birthday Pooh Bear on October 14th from 2:00 to 6:00 with lots of drop in things but I did kind
[2:18] of want to highlight.
[2:23] Our library of things.
[2:25] Since I haven't really talked about those yet.
[2:27] We have a lot of.
[2:28] Things that you can check out if you want fun things we've got. Bird watching kits we've got.
[2:33] Pasta makers. We've got a GoPro, some telescopes.
[2:36] Some story time, backpacks and a lot of things that.
[2:39] Help you turn all of your.
[2:41] Analog memories into digital memories, so.
[2:43] Slides.
[2:45] Super 8 films, all those things you can take home and.
[2:49] And have fun converting those.
[2:50] But we also have some health related things. We've got happy lights.
[2:53] And heart health kits and radon monitors.
[2:57] And memory care kits.
[2:59] And I thought.
[3:00] All of them were pretty self-explanatory except for a memory care kit, so I thought I would bring one to show. And it doesn't look
[3:04] like much on the outside, but it's kind of magic inside.
[3:08] It's very full of things.
[3:09] And it's got.
[3:11] Just things to help if you've got someone in your life who is.
[3:15] Having memory issues and dementia issues, there are things that can help engage them. There are lesson plans or little ideas about
[3:19] things to talk about and music and things to touch and play with.
[3:24] And feel there's lots of.
[3:26] Just tons of fun stuff in here.
[3:29] And they rotate around the system, so there's lots of different.
[3:33] Lots of different things, different decades different.
[3:36] Events that you can talk about.
[3:37] And I just thought that would be something that the community might want to know about South.
[3:40] So I gotta bring 1.
[3:41] And that's what we're doing at the library.
[3:43] Thank you.
[3:44] Thanks.
[3:48] OK, no, it's for public comment or anything under the sun other than.
[3:52] The public hearing item.
[3:56] I'll jump at once.
[3:58] Zingan will close public comment.
[4:00] And proceed to agenda item number 4.
[4:04] Regarding a text amendment.
[4:07] To Section 13 to allow arts and culture events as an allowable use.
[4:12] Across multiple zones.
[4:14] So I understand we have.
[4:16] Meeting with John, is that correct?
[4:23] Thank you Mayor, Council, John Tierlink, Community and Economic Development Director.
[4:28] This is an application that was brought to the city and reviewed by the Technical Review Committee.
[4:34] By one business owner that has just opened up shop in the village.
[4:41] Steinway Pianos.
[4:44] Taking over the space on the corner of Laney and.
[4:47] Holiday Blvd.
[4:49] And um.
[4:51] Primarily their their retail component is obviously.
[4:54] It is what it is for.
[4:56] Selling dealing license here for for Steinway pianos.
[5:02] But the secondary component to their.
[5:05] Business operation is is allowing a space for recitals.
[5:10] This is this type of use was something.
[5:12] That.
[5:14] Business owners in the village have been trying to.
[5:18] Accommodate.
[5:19] Work with.
[5:20] But have always been running up against holiday village land use requirements.
[5:26] Specifically for spaces on the ground level.
[5:30] Primarily when the the holiday village was established.
[5:34] It was encouraged to retain commercial tax base.
[5:38] And requiring those ground level retail spaces to remain retail only.
[5:44] Was the answer.
[5:46] Up until.
[5:47] When the Common Mall and Rail Holiday Hills development became online, that was really hard.
[5:52] Our best way to maintain?
[5:54] A retail component for the city.
[5:57] In the villain in the village area.
[5:58] So large gathering spaces like reception centers and those types of venues weren't something that were considered.
[6:07] However, Fast forward to today.
[6:10] There is a need and a desire for some property owners to use their spaces.
[6:15] In a way that sort of aligns itself with.
[6:19] This arts and culture.
[6:21] Idea.
[6:23] This idea is also bolstered.
[6:25] And supported by recent comments received from the public in your general plan rewrite.
[6:32] And see on the screen this is one of the specific goals.
[6:36] That we heard from the community included and included in the general plan as.
[6:41] Some ideas and events that support.
[6:45] Cultural activities and events, specifically in the Holiday Village District and the surrounding area.
[6:52] So staff has worked with.
[6:55] The applicant the business owner for Steinway to establish a set of new land use.
[7:00] Rules and regulations.
[7:02] That provided an ancillary.
[7:04] Use umm.
[7:06] For any type, any business in the village.
[7:09] To run small.
[7:11] Scale.
[7:13] Performances, uh.
[7:14] That type of thing.
[7:16] So using that idea and the Planning Commission sculpted.
[7:22] Two different types of.
[7:25] Levels of land use.
[7:26] A high intensity arts and culture type of.
[7:29] And a low intensity. The low intensity.
[7:32] Being the land use that was proposed just for the village.
[7:36] This high idea of high intensity, which would be large music venues perform.
[7:42] Event centers would be used elsewhere in the city at some point.
[7:46] That is not something that was being recommended by the Planning Commission to be adopted.
[7:51] Just a definition for it we can figure out.
[7:53] Where to put that type of use?
[7:55] In a future date.
[7:56] But primarily concentrating on the village.
[8:02] So the Planning Commission has created a land use.
[8:05] Definitions, which really is where the standards of operation are.
[8:09] For low intensity arts and culture uses to operate as ancillary use.
[8:14] To a retail.
[8:15] So they would still need to maintain the retail use.
[8:18] And in the off hours.
[8:20] They can do the recitals. They can have a small theater.
[8:23] Something that is.
[8:26] Off hours to the primary use of the property.
[8:29] That's important.
[8:31] From the Planning Commission's point of view, because of the parking.
[8:33] Component.
[8:35] They wanted to have the parking available when the primary use is not there.
[8:39] To switch over to the ancillary off hours, recital of music performances and.
[8:44] Et cetera.
[8:47] Some of the other.
[8:48] One of the other components that came out of the Planning Commission was a.
[8:52] Allowing for storefront galleries to.
[8:55] Take place while either.
[8:58] A space is vacant or otherwise unoccupied.
[9:01] You can have.
[9:03] Art shows and galleries within the storefronts creating that really awesome vibrant St. facing.
[9:09] Component that I think.
[9:11] The residents around the area and then the city are looking for in the village itself.
[9:16] So those are the components that have been recommended by the Planning Commission for consideration.
[9:22] And you primarily so you have 3 sections of the ordinances of the ordinance that is being.
[9:28] My peripheral proposed to be modified.
[9:30] The Holiday Village Zone with a component that talks about.
[9:35] You're, if you're on in primary ground floor retail, you have to have primary use, but you also get to have this ancillary use.
[9:42] It points you to 13100 which is your land use table.
[9:46] That sort of enables the land use across.
[9:48] All zones.
[9:50] Being the Holiday Village zone, being the only one that's being available right now as a permitted use.
[9:56] And then?
[9:59] Obviously the definitions of each one of those land uses.
[10:04] That's a lot.
[10:05] To review. So basically.
[10:07] You're looking at a brand new land use for the city.
[10:10] Something that's never been used before.
[10:11] Supported by the general plan by the public as far as an arts and culture use.
[10:16] And definitely something that's desired by.
[10:19] Existing.
[10:20] Business owners and tenants of the village to sort of bolster.
[10:23] Their their use of space.
[10:28] So I'd be happy to take any other questions you might have.
[10:31] So it looks like for the temporary storefront gallery, we'd be adding that to a.
[10:37] Number of other zones, is that right? Not just the holiday village. Oh.
[10:40] Right now it's only for the village.
[10:43] We have another table I'm seeing. Let's talk about the storefront gallery.
[10:47] Has multiple zones.
[10:49] Is it all the way across?
[10:50] All the way but NCHCRORD C1C2.
[10:54] And HP.
[10:56] Yeah, that's.
[10:59] Oh, I guess at this point, I guess they presumed that that was something that that was acceptable for those.
[11:05] Those specific zones.
[11:07] Um, as far as retail spaces.
[11:09] So yes, they they did propose to put those in in the Holly Crossroads zone.
[11:14] Any zone that would be considered commercial.
[11:19] But the storefront is.
[11:21] It's temporary and it's just when an area is vacant. So it's not like it's it's not it's bring like a high.
[11:27] Super high traffic, right? Yeah.
[11:30] Yeah, they still have to be have established their primary use there.
[11:33] Yeah. Or when they're in transition.
[11:35] Between tenants.
[11:41] Was there a?
[11:42] A particular reason why on the Storefront Gallery, the PO Zone was excluded.
[11:48] Not many.
[11:49] Commercial.
[11:50] Uses are allowed in your PO zone.
[11:51] Primarily office space.
[11:53] Right. Could it be considered as an office space transitions over to have art?
[11:59] Provided in the storefront.
[12:00] Yes.
[12:02] It's excluded for now, but.
[12:05] Um, could be added.
[12:06] Later, I suppose, if we feel like.
[12:08] There's a need for it.
[12:09] Yeah, I'm not suggesting we need to get.
[12:12] Out over our seas in terms of.
[12:14] Allowing more I want to.
[12:15] My questions actually regarding a low intensity arts and culture we only have.
[12:20] We're saying that that particular land use.
[12:23] Is only permitted in the village.
[12:26] And so that.
[12:28] And maybe there's a definitional.
[12:29] Thing I'm not understanding but we already do a fair amount of.
[12:32] Low intensity arts and culture, and even arguably some higher intensity arts and culture.
[12:36] In a certain P zone behind our City Hall.
[12:40] And so.
[12:41] Could this be interpreted as we've just?
[12:44] Disallowed ourselves the opportunity.
[12:46] We've been doing for a long time.
[12:49] Not necessarily. I mean, what we're looking for is an establishment of.
[12:54] If we step in, would you mind going back to the definitions of?
[12:58] In the definition section.
[13:02] Well, I mean first. First off, the application that was brought to us was for a village.
[13:06] Amendment right. I just know that we've.
[13:08] We're now establishing that land use, we're saying where it's permitted.
[13:12] We're doing not recitals per se, but concerts.
[13:16] In the park.
[13:17] And there there wasn't any code.
[13:19] Surrounding that, now we've got this code.
[13:22] I just want to make sure we're not.
[13:23] Blocking ourselves out of.
[13:25] What we've historically done.
[13:27] And intend to do in the future.
[13:28] Yeah, I think primarily where we.
[13:31] Revolve around those types of land uses is in the high intensity.
[13:35] Not necessarily the low intensity land use or the Arkansas Arts and Culture section.
[13:41] So if we wanted to look at adding that to the P zones.
[13:45] We want to make sure that we're allowing it to be used in all.
[13:49] P zones where a school could be.
[13:52] Where a church could also be.
[13:54] Operated uh.
[13:54] Right. Umm.
[13:57] So I'm not sure if we're exactly.
[13:59] Being excluding ourselves from operations there who we can take a look at.
[14:04] What that could be from? Yeah, that's that's I know this is a new definition.
[14:08] Where it's been the Wild West before a little bit.
[14:11] At least in terms of like the P zone.
[14:15] Yeah, let's let's just make sure we're not.
[14:17] Putting our foot in it.
[14:19] Here with regard to.
[14:21] Blue Moon Festival and.
[14:23] And yeah.
[14:25] Page to stage and and let's not all of a sudden create a smaller box than.
[14:32] We intend to do.
[14:35] We could definitely take a look at that real quick.
[14:44] But I think you know with regard to.
[14:47] The applicant who brought their.
[14:49] Their need forward.
[14:51] Or all over, and that's great.
[14:54] No objection there, just in terms of how this is.
[14:57] Being laid out.
[14:59] Does it affect?
[15:01] The rest of us.
[15:02] I think it could potentially and my advice would be.
[15:06] That we consider this application.
[15:08] But that we not lose track of this.
[15:10] And bring this back up at another point in time.
[15:13] Where we may want to.
[15:15] Look definitionally or.
[15:17] In the zones available. Oh so in order to accommodate.
[15:20] To Mr. Jackson we should proceed.
[15:24] But then and the way our Planning Commission proceedings went, with this being considered in the village zone.
[15:29] And not necessarily in the P zone more broadly.
[15:32] I'd rather go back to the Planning Commission.
[15:34] For that consideration, but I don't want to hold up this application.
[15:37] Yeah, that sounds good.
[15:41] Okay.
[15:43] Questions. Comments.
[15:46] Thanks. Thank you.
[15:49] All right, so the public hearing, let's go ahead and open the public hearing on this agenda Item 4.
[15:56] Allowing arts and culture.
[15:58] Use in the.
[16:00] Well, that holiday village zone, but also storefront galleries.
[16:04] And the other zones indicated.
[16:05] Are there any here to address the Council?
[16:08] On this issue.
[16:13] No.
[16:15] OK. We'll go ahead and.
[16:17] Close the public hearing then.
[16:19] And I expect we'll go ahead and schedule a vote.
[16:23] In a couple of weeks.
[16:24] In order to deal with the application from.
[16:27] Mr. Jackson and we'll.
[16:29] Deal with the fallout.
[16:31] In the near future, hopefully.
[16:33] I hate to handcuff ourselves.
[16:35] Too long if it.
[16:35] If indeed a hand set of handcuffs are indeed.
[16:38] Being generated from here.
[16:40] OK, let's proceed then.
[16:43] To item number 5.
[16:45] This is a rezone application for property located across the street from Columbus High School.
[16:50] And we also should have a.
[16:52] Briefing with John again, I believe.
[16:59] Thank you, Mayor.
[17:01] This is a rezone application that was brought to the city in.
[17:05] March.
[17:06] Or so of this year.
[17:08] And initially started with some conversations with the technical review committee and our senior planner.
[17:14] Carrie Marsh.
[17:16] In as it relates to some transition that the Church of Jesus Christ of Adri Sanchez having with their church.
[17:23] Property.
[17:24] Right directly across the street from the Olympus High School.
[17:28] The property itself has plans to be redeveloped into.
[17:33] Seminary use.
[17:35] Only for the front half.
[17:37] Property, the back half being sold off.
[17:41] To a developer who the applicant is here tonight and can give you details specifically on on what that means.
[17:48] But from the city's point of view?
[17:50] The legislative action is to rezone the back half of the property.
[17:53] From P.
[17:54] Which would accommodate the church or the seminary?
[17:57] To match the abutting zone R110.
[18:00] Which to accommodate some single family home development.
[18:04] Accessed off of a private drive.
[18:08] The front half remaining P zone is going to come will accommodate reconstruction of the building.
[18:14] Converting it to the seminary.
[18:16] At a later date.
[18:18] The back half being the reason is the the.
[18:21] Application that's.
[18:22] Presented in the city that's been recommended by the Planning Commission by unanimous vote.
[18:27] The general plan review.
[18:29] Essentially was looking at compatibility.
[18:32] And, umm.
[18:33] Being as that butts two types of zones, Residential zones for you, your R28 which is your duplex for 8000 square feet.
[18:41] And then also the rezone.
[18:43] Or the the residential zone of R110.
[18:46] Applicant is choosing to.
[18:49] A button match that single family development as that's the planned development type of homes are detached single family houses.
[18:57] So definitely compatibility is there.
[19:00] Access to the public street will be established.
[19:03] Via subdivision plat and easement through.
[19:07] The church property.
[19:08] But it's in conversations with the applicant, it sounds like they wanted to have primarily a public St. dedicated out to 2300 E
[19:12] and.
[19:16] I'll let them.
[19:17] Give you the details on that.
[19:19] However, the Planning Commission did review this and give you a recommendation. Recommendation to approve.
[19:26] The rezone request from RP to R110.
[19:33] OK, John, can you remind me what the.
[19:36] Height limitations and setbacks are for both the R110 and the P zones.
[19:42] Yeah, umm.
[19:44] Height in your residential zones are limited to lot size.
[19:48] These lots are hovering from I think the concepts that I remember seeing.
[19:53] Around 11:00 to.
[19:54] To 12,000 square feet ish. So they'll be limited to 32 feet.
[19:59] So up to.
[20:01] 15,000 square feet is your 32 foot height.
[20:04] 32 or.
[20:05] 15,000 square feet to half an acre is 35 and above that it would be 40.
[20:10] So these would be all 32 foot heights.
[20:13] And then the setbacks.
[20:15] Are also based upon lot dimensions.
[20:18] So you know you have the percentage of side yard set back based upon the lots width.
[20:25] In the R110 zone.
[20:26] The lots need to be at least a minimum of 100 square, 100 feet wide.
[20:30] So that would mean you would have A7.
[20:33] A foot side yard set back in. A 10 foot side yard set back on.
[20:36] Opposing sides.
[20:38] So 710 feet.
[20:40] For the side yard setbacks.
[20:41] 35 feet to the back to the rear yard.
[20:44] And approximately 30 feet for a front yard.
[20:47] Which would be confronting a cul-de-sac.
[20:51] How about for the?
[20:54] The P zone itself.
[20:57] I don't have those memories off the top of my head. I would have to get back to you on what those would be.
[21:01] I'm pretty sure the P zone front yard is it well.
[21:04] Overall site plans for.
[21:07] P Zone redevelopment goes to your Planning Commission for approval.
[21:11] And the front yard set back. I believe it starts at 20 feet, but I'm not sure what the remaining side of various yards would be.
[21:17] OK. Thank you.
[21:20] So, John, I'm sure you're aware we got a letter from Mr. Gedge concerned about storm drainage.
[21:26] In this area of the.
[21:28] I just want to make sure that I understand.
[21:31] Then Jared's aware of the property or.
[21:34] The property owners aware.
[21:37] That they need to address that, but that's something that would happen.
[21:40] In the future, when they were.
[21:42] Create a civil plan and take that before the Planning Commission to address.
[21:45] Those kind of issues is that.
[21:47] Correct, that's accurate, Yeah, if a rezone is approved and the applicants allowed to commence with the.
[21:55] Process. Mm-hmm.
[21:56] A civil preliminary civil development plan is required and that's reviewed by.
[22:01] The technical review committee.
[22:02] And that's where.
[22:03] The engineering side will look at that. That drain is piped very closely.
[22:07] OK. So, so they look at all of that that and it's required for that process, OK. And whatever they can upgrade or condition it
[22:11] needs to be.
[22:15] Will be addressed then.
[22:16] OK. And then also brought to the Planning Commission?
[22:20] For another public hearing.
[22:21] To review what those changes are.
[22:23] Could, could be.
[22:25] That makes sense.
[22:30] OK. Anyone else?
[22:33] Thanks. Thanks, Joe.
[22:37] We have the applicant here today.
[22:39] Go ahead and take some time.
[22:44] Sure. Thank you, Mayor and Council. My name is Peter Gambrulus and I'm with Ivory Homes.
[22:49] Applying on behalf of.
[22:51] Of the Church of Jesus.
[22:52] I'm applying on behalf of Ivory Homes.
[22:55] But uh.
[22:56] The property owner being the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
[22:59] I appreciate John's presentation and.
[23:02] I don't need to add too much more to that.
[23:04] I did. We have been primarily working with Carrie so.
[23:08] There was just one thing in John's.
[23:11] Presentation that I wanted to correct.
[23:13] And that's that we are intending to do 3 lots here.
[23:16] The only reason I bring that up is those lots will be larger.
[23:20] Than what was assumed to be the amount and so they're going to be about half acre lots.
[23:24] Which goes to the question regarding height.
[23:27] So with that.
[23:29] They would be at a 35 foot height maximum.
[23:32] Just for the lot sizes.
[23:33] I wanted to bring that up, but.
[23:36] Yes. So it's.
[23:38] The concept that we have obviously not included today because this is simply for the land use.
[23:43] But the concept that we have is for three.
[23:46] Roughly half acre lots that will be at the end of that.
[23:49] On what we intend to be a public cul-de-sac.
[23:54] Working directly with the church, they've already.
[23:57] Had their architects working on a replacement seminary.
[24:00] And we expect the replacement seminary to be.
[24:03] Going on.
[24:04] If not simultaneously with our site development.
[24:09] The first thing to happen?
[24:12] I'll make myself available for any questions of the Council.
[24:15] Or the mayor.
[24:17] Or if anything comes up during public comment. Happy to speak but.
[24:21] Really not much.
[24:22] To add to John's presentation, so I appreciate it.
[24:25] Do you have anything to?
[24:27] Well, just lend comfort to the Council with regard to the.
[24:31] Stormwater management assets there and how you'll be.
[24:35] Able to.
[24:36] Avoid disruption of that or develop around it in a way that.
[24:40] We'll make everybody comfortable.
[24:41] Yeah, absolutely.
[24:43] I'm sorry I didn't touch on that.
[24:44] We did, actually. We've talked with Mr. Gedge in a couple different meetings, did review his letter and after that letter was
[24:48] sent.
[24:52] Did meet with city engineering to discuss.
[24:56] And that did result.
[24:57] Some anticipated.
[24:59] Some plan changes from our original anticipated goals.
[25:03] I don't know how familiar you all are.
[25:05] Directly with the.
[25:07] Property but about.
[25:09] In that corner.
[25:11] So if we're looking.
[25:12] About so the West side.
[25:15] Where it dips in and goes like that.
[25:18] Right, there's a little gorge.
[25:20] Little gully type thing.
[25:22] And then that does have a wall that.
[25:25] Access retaining prior to discharging into the canal.
[25:29] Our original plan was to actually.
[25:32] Box that.
[25:33] In a way so that it would be subsurface retaining.
[25:37] So that we could add that a bit more usable.
[25:39] Space into a lot.
[25:42] Since reviewing Mr. Gedges concerns and speaking with.
[25:47] City.
[25:48] Engineering.
[25:49] We've elected not to, even.
[25:51] Pursue that.
[25:53] I guess we shouldn't say we elected not to. We were told we could not perceive that.
[25:58] And so we have, we've designed around that.
[26:01] It's not a problem, it will change.
[26:03] What we anticipated would.
[26:04] Be.
[26:05] That lot, but we don't think it will be detrimental.
[26:08] It will just have that more natural.
[26:11] Gorge type.
[26:12] In the front yard, Which?
[26:14] Could be a value as well, but.
[26:15] The only reason I bring up that little story is that we have engaged with.
[26:19] Mr. Gadge, we have engaged with the City regarding his concerns and we.
[26:23] We don't anticipate their they they will not be able to be engineered around.
[26:28] Perfect.
[26:28] Thank you.
[26:30] Anything else for Mr. cameras?
[26:33] Thank you.
[26:33] Thank you all.
[26:36] OK, with that, we'll open the public hearing.
[26:39] Any wish to address the Council on this matter, please come to the podium and state your name.
[26:43] And let us know how you feel about.
[27:02] My name is Denise Philbin. I've lived at the Mount Olympus Condos for over 20 years.
[27:07] It's it would be on the north side of this property.
[27:11] My concern?
[27:13] Would be.
[27:17] The traffic from.
[27:19] 23rd East.
[27:21] Has become.
[27:23] Almost unmute.
[27:24] Manageable even with the kids.
[27:27] Out of school.
[27:28] At Olympus.
[27:31] You know, our little cities really grown and 2030.
[27:35] Gets you to the freeway.
[27:36] And it also brings you back.
[27:38] To holiday.
[27:40] We have 46 units in that Madeline Piscondo area and there's only one.
[27:46] Entrance.
[27:48] Or exit, whichever.
[27:51] And when school is in.
[27:54] Even at the old side of the seminary.
[27:57] The children have a.
[27:59] Tendency to be on their phones and dragging across the street to get to seminary.
[28:03] And it backs up the traffic almost to 33rd.
[28:07] Or the other direction down to.
[28:10] The city.
[28:11] And I know it's not your concern, but it's probably.
[28:17] More of a concern about the seminary.
[28:20] Where they're going to do the crossing.
[28:22] If they can have a monitor system where?
[28:26] I don't know.
[28:27] If the light can say.
[28:29] OK, traffic can go through.
[28:32] And now the kids can go cross.
[28:34] But they tend to just kind of dribble.
[28:37] And they their kids.
[28:40] It's what they do.
[28:41] So.
[28:43] Other than that, I would I.
[28:46] Kind of wanted to repeat what the.
[28:49] Set back is on that.
[28:51] Northside.
[28:52] I think he went over it too quick for me to.
[28:56] Really here?
[28:57] That part that and.
[28:59] Because.
[29:00] Those homes are going to be pretty close to the back.
[29:03] Those if you notice in that picture.
[29:05] Those units don't really have a backyard.
[29:09] On that north side.
[29:10] So those homes will be pretty close to those units it.
[29:14] They are twin homes.
[29:16] So, umm.
[29:18] It'll impact just.
[29:20] Maybe the four homes, but we also have a swimming pool on the end.
[29:24] Which that's fine. If they want to watch us swim, it's no big deal.
[29:28] But.
[29:31] I just would like to be clear on what those setbacks.
[29:34] Sorry as well.
[29:36] And that's all I have to say. Thank you for you.
[29:39] Thank you.
[29:43] Anyone else for public comment?
[29:49] Hi my name is.
[29:51] Dina Uzunkaya.
[29:54] I will be marrying Paul Gedge.
[29:57] Whose property we are discussing.
[30:01] And I have been living in the holiday area.
[30:06] A couple of years now.
[30:08] I've been living in the Gedge home.
[30:11] And, umm.
[30:15] I Paul is a lot more diplomatic than I am.
[30:20] I'm very opposed to.
[30:22] To this rezoning.
[30:26] And I think.
[30:29] Paul's fam. Paul has.
[30:32] Paul and Roy.
[30:34] Who you got the letter from?
[30:36] They've been in this home.
[30:38] Since.
[30:39] 74 I believe.
[30:42] And that.
[30:46] There has been a lot of changes.
[30:48] And changes eminent.
[30:50] But there, I believe, is a lot of.
[30:55] Impact on the environment back there.
[30:58] There are trees back there that are very mature.
[31:02] That.
[31:05] They're not going to be around.
[31:06] If they're not taken care of.
[31:09] And those trees are Sequoia.
[31:12] And they are a couple of other pine.
[31:15] That Paul's father, who is now deceased.
[31:19] Planted as seed leaves.
[31:21] And so this.
[31:23] This care of this area.
[31:28] In in my.
[31:30] Very humble opinion.
[31:31] Is going to.
[31:32] Impact umm.
[31:34] Not just.
[31:37] 2300 E and that traffic.
[31:40] It's going to impact.
[31:41] All of the people.
[31:43] That are going to be lining that north side.
[31:48] The northeast side.
[31:50] And then even the West side of that swimming pool.
[31:53] And it's also going to impact.
[31:55] All of those people.
[31:58] That are.
[32:00] Our neighbors.
[32:01] That have been there.
[32:03] For years.
[32:05] The family on the east side of us.
[32:08] They are these sweet Greek immigrant people that came here.
[32:13] About about 30 years ago.
[32:17] Their grandkids are now living in that.
[32:20] In that house.
[32:21] And then on the other side there's.
[32:24] It's not just going to impact.
[32:26] Us in that way it will also impact.
[32:31] The people across the street.
[32:33] Too, Because.
[32:35] They're going to have to.
[32:37] Deal with.
[32:38] The noise that's going to come.
[32:41] And further traffic.
[32:43] And for and more traffic. And I hate to sound like this means more.
[32:48] People. Umm.
[32:50] I'm not sure.
[32:51] That the land behind there.
[32:54] Is going to be able to SU.
[32:56] Stain that either.
[32:58] Because of that.
[33:00] That Creek that's there?
[33:01] That Creek is.
[33:03] Culinary water.
[33:05] For I believe it's owned by.
[33:09] A bunch of people, but it's.
[33:11] It's, it's shared and it is.
[33:16] Holiday City.
[33:17] Water Company.
[33:19] I believe it is.
[33:20] And so.
[33:22] There's several.
[33:25] Impacts not.
[33:27] Just the Gedges.
[33:30] Not just.
[33:32] The goats.
[33:34] Or this, this dear woman sitting back here?
[33:39] Umm, and not just the traffic.
[33:42] But that also is a concern.
[33:47] People already and I'm sure.
[33:50] The police already know.
[33:54] People ignore.
[33:56] Not just the students.
[33:58] They ignore that.
[33:59] Crosswalk that's there with the.
[34:01] Blinking yellow light.
[34:04] People ignore that.
[34:05] And they drive right through there.
[34:07] And it's already.
[34:10] Problematic. Umm.
[34:12] It's going to get more problematic.
[34:14] And so I feel like that.
[34:19] There should be consideration.
[34:22] That anyway.
[34:23] That's just two.
[34:25] Thank you.
[34:32] Anyone else for public comment?
[34:33] On this issue.
[34:38] OK, I'm seeing that. I'll just.
[34:40] Close with uh, just a reminder that also.
[34:43] We have a tree ordinance.
[34:45] Just to address 1 of the concern about the trees that.
[34:48] 3 ordinance I expect would.
[34:50] Protect trees that are around.
[34:53] These stormwater canal features.
[34:56] Tree ordinance specifically addresses above so.
[34:59] We share some of your concerns with regard to protection of.
[35:02] Tree canopy, particularly around.
[35:05] Natural waterways.
[35:07] And and in city right away so.
[35:11] With that.
[35:12] Unless there's anyone else.
[35:14] I'll close the public hearing.
[35:17] Public Greens closed.
[35:18] OK. And then we'll we'll be discussing these two public hearings in the work session.
[35:23] And.
[35:26] Is the vote expected on the rezone also in two weeks or?
[35:29] OK. All right.
[35:31] OK, moving on, let's go to item number six.
[35:34] Which is uh, uh.
[35:36] Consideration of an ordinance with regard to amending portions of our storm. What do you know, storm water.
[35:42] Regulations for the city.
[35:44] So I have a briefing by Joe, but we'll also be taking a vote. Now this is a little unusual to take the briefing and the vote, but.
[35:50] This is also one of those things that's a little more routine in nature, where.
[35:55] This ordinance is essentially.
[35:58] Putting us in compliance with recent changes at the state level which we're mandated to then update our code to match.
[36:04] And and so there's not a whole lot of.
[36:09] Items to debate.
[36:10] Or question or.
[36:12] We're doing our duty here, so.
[36:14] Gina asked me if it was OK if we just queued up the vote on the same day as the briefing and.
[36:18] Since I've been through a number of these over the last.
[36:20] Eight or nine years.
[36:22] I thought that would be OK, but if anyone's uncomfortable and wishes them.
[36:25] Move to table.
[36:27] To give yourself more time.
[36:28] That would be perfectly acceptable.
[36:30] So with that.
[36:32] Joe.
[36:33] Thank you, Mayor Council.
[36:34] Joe Bolton, assistant city engineer.
[36:36] Umm, yeah, we've.
[36:39] Are updating our storm water management plan.
[36:43] Most of the updates.
[36:45] Come from.
[36:46] A new MS-4 permit from the state.
[36:48] Which is municipal separate storm sewer system.
[36:52] And and many of the changes to the.
[36:55] Permit where?
[36:57] From Utah code 195108.3.
[37:00] That was passed.
[37:01] A couple last.
[37:04] Years legislative session.
[37:06] And then took time for the permit to update and get to us.
[37:10] So most of the changes are.
[37:12] Because of that code.
[37:13] There's also quite a bit of.
[37:16] And just readability.
[37:17] Spelling. Grammar.
[37:19] A lot of.
[37:21] Sections of the permit.
[37:23] Changed language.
[37:25] From the permittee should.
[37:27] Do XY X.
[37:28] Change to shall do XYZ.
[37:31] It was always the spirit that.
[37:34] We will do.
[37:35] These permit requirements.
[37:37] They just changed some language to reinforce that.
[37:40] And also part of the.
[37:43] New Utah code.
[37:45] Uh, the one substantive.
[37:48] Change of the permit.
[37:50] Was reduced inspection frequencies for construction sites.
[37:54] And a couple reasons for.
[37:56] Reduce inspections would be.
[37:57] Adequate compliance history.
[37:59] Frozen conditions. Aired locations.
[38:03] And and.
[38:05] As well as priority construction sites.
[38:07] Not as infrequent.
[38:09] But also change the requirements for that as well.
[38:13] So, Mayor, like you said.
[38:15] Most of these changes come from state code.
[38:18] And just puts us in compliance with the state.
[38:21] So I can take any further during any of those elements including a substantive one that you mentioned that?
[38:28] Uh, should give us a.
[38:30] Her concern or that would have significant.
[38:33] Budget impact.
[38:35] As far as you can tell.
[38:36] No, Nope.
[38:38] None of the above.
[38:43] So I'm just curious.
[38:45] It looks like most of the.
[38:47] Inspections are electronic.
[38:50] But sometimes.
[38:51] They have to be on site because of non compliance. How often does that?
[38:56] So actually.
[38:59] And the state code allowed for electronic inspections, and so far every single contractor who has pulled a permit has opted out of
[39:04] those electronic inspections.
[39:11] It does put a lot more.
[39:14] Worked on that contractor.
[39:16] So most are opting out and just having.
[39:19] Our oversight inspections on site anyway.
[39:21] Interesting. Thank you.
[39:23] Yeah, of course.
[39:27] Any other questions, comments, concerns?
[39:31] Or motions.
[39:39] Mr. Mayor.
[39:40] Motion to approve Ordinance number 202614.
[39:44] 2nd.
[39:46] OK. We have motion and a second.
[39:49] Council Member Gray.
[39:50] Yes, Councilmember Quinn.
[39:52] Yes, Councilmember Bradley.
[39:53] Yes, Councilmember Durham. Yes, Councilmember Sundwall.
[39:56] Yes.
[39:57] And share votes. Yes, thank you very much. Thanks, Joe.
[40:01] OK, moving on, item number seven, City Manager report.
[40:13] Good evening, Council.
[40:15] I have a couple of.
[40:17] Grant updates that I want to start with we are planning to apply.
[40:23] For a.
[40:24] Corridor Preservation Fund grant.
[40:27] To fund.
[40:28] The purchase of several feet of property.
[40:32] Along 2 parcels, this project would allow us to create a right turn lane.
[40:39] From northbound Highland Drive to.
[40:41] Eastbound 45th.
[40:43] For those of you that were on the Council a couple of years ago, you may recall that we applied for and received corridor
[40:47] preservations funds.
[40:52] For an additional property in the same area.
[40:55] But we were unable to pursue purchase for the other two properties at that time because this particular grant.
[41:03] Program requires that we have willing sellers.
[41:06] We have continued to work.
[41:08] With property owners in this area and we feel like we're at a point where we can pursue this funding.
[41:16] The last time we applied, I think it was a.
[41:19] About $60,000 for the one parcel.
[41:23] I'm gonna.
[41:24] Guests were in the same neighborhood, Jared.
[41:28] OK. For these two parcels, so likely in the 100 to $120,000 range?
[41:36] Is the Council all right if we?
[41:39] Pursue that funding.
[41:41] OK, I'm seeing nodding heads.
[41:43] So.
[41:45] Any objection will move forward with that application.
[41:48] We are also planning to apply.
[41:52] To a program a fairly.
[41:54] New program.
[41:56] That the States Division of Outdoor Recreation is offering it is a Nature Based Learning Infrastructure grant.
[42:06] And we would be applying for up to $15,000.
[42:11] For a potential.
[42:13] Climbing wall.
[42:14] Bouldering garden at Spring Lane Park, which would be included in the playground area.
[42:20] If we were awarded this grant, there would be a 20% match.
[42:25] Required.
[42:26] So our application deadline for that grant is September 21st.
[42:31] Any objections to pursuing that grant?
[42:36] No objections noticed.
[42:39] I have a less.
[42:41] Pleasant update on a.
[42:44] Previously awarded grant.
[42:46] Project and this is on 27th East.
[42:50] Oh, I thought you're gonna say City Hollows.
[42:54] I don't know. Hopefully I don't have to share another update on that. We just ended good news.
[43:01] This is on 27th so you may remember that.
[43:05] A couple of years ago we completed the first phase of that project on the northern end.
[43:11] This is a sidewalk continuation.
[43:13] Project uh.
[43:15] Hopefully connecting 39 S with.
[43:17] 45th South.
[43:21] So 2 summers ago we received $500,000.
[43:25] We finish that.
[43:26] First phase at the time UDOT was providing those awards.
[43:32] And letting.
[43:33] The project be locally.
[43:38] Over the last couple of years that.
[43:40] Approach has changed and the program has now become federalized, which means that.
[43:46] Udot rather than.
[43:49] US will be leading the work.
[43:54] Their process is much more expensive than ours.
[43:57] And while we had secured.
[44:00] Between Grants and our match, we had about one point.
[44:04] For $1.5 million, given our experience with phase one, we thought that was going to be plenty of money.
[44:13] We have gotten the estimate.
[44:16] Back and it is $2.3 million.
[44:20] So we have a difference of about $825,000 between funds available and.
[44:27] The project cost.
[44:29] So we have a couple of options.
[44:31] We could shrink the size of the project.
[44:34] To use just the funds available.
[44:37] The downside of that is that costs are just going to continue to increase and if this is a priority of the Council.
[44:46] The numbers are just going to.
[44:47] To continue to grow.
[44:49] We could approach WFRC.
[44:53] About increasing the size of our grant.
[44:56] Based on our observation of the experience of others.
[45:00] We think they're likely to ask us to split that cost.
[45:04] So add $400,000 to the city cost.
[45:08] For an additional 400 and.
[45:10] 425.
[45:12] From them in terms of grant funding.
[45:16] We could also the third option would be we could refuse the grant and just do the project ourselves. I think that would be a
[45:20] cheaper.
[45:24] Cost overall.
[45:26] But more expensive for the city in terms of US funding the entirety of the project rather than just the match portion.
[45:34] As a strategy, I don't think I would.
[45:37] I would would be very rare for me to recommend.
[45:41] Turning down a grant that we have already successfully applied for.
[45:46] It just makes us much.
[45:47] Less likely to receive those grants in the future.
[45:51] So our staff recommendation would be that we approach WFRC and see if they are willing to increase the award knowing that they
[45:55] may.
[45:59] Come back and ask us to also increase.
[46:02] Our contribution.
[46:04] If we're successful with that approach, then would.
[46:07] Would come back to you in a budget amendment to approve that additional amount.
[46:12] Is the Council comfortable with that approach?
[46:16] It seems we're making the best of them.
[46:18] Less than ideal situation so.
[46:22] And I agree with you that we don't want to get into a pattern of.
[46:25] Uh, no thanks.
[46:28] Just because the.
[46:29] You know, the structure of this sort of thing happened to change, but it changes for everybody.
[46:34] They're not picking on us per se, so it's the new.
[46:36] Reality.
[46:38] It's still the best path forward.
[46:39] The only decision would be if we wanted to abandon the project. I don't think we want to do that.
[46:44] So do you.
[46:46] Feel comfortable with that budget amendment within our current budget that we could find. I do we have a, you know as of the end
[46:53] of last fiscal year we had a considerable fund balance in capital projects.
[47:00] We of course have allocations in mind for that fund balance, but I think we would be able to fund this going forward.
[47:08] OK. I would be fine supporting that makes sense. And would this segment of funding complete the project?
[47:14] It would mainly complete the project there are we have removed.
[47:18] 4 parcels that were.
[47:20] Require retaining walls that are going to be pretty expensive and we.
[47:24] Think would call that phase three and we'll need to figure out a funding strategy for those 4 parcels.
[47:33] Does this affect?
[47:35] Aside from this, our sidewalk projects going forward like 56 is are we going to run into these same problems?
[47:41] What a great question. My understanding is yes, but I'm going to turn around.
[47:45] See if I have nodding heads.
[47:48] Oh, it remains locally allowed.
[47:51] Is it a different funding source?
[47:54] It's a different funding source, so.
[47:56] It we can retain.
[47:57] Bleeding it ourselves.
[48:00] I almost asked that.
[48:02] Are these changes going to?
[48:04] Change the timeline.
[48:09] No, they will not.
[48:10] So, umm.
[48:11] Will it? Will it be done?
[48:13] This fall. Next spring.
[48:16] Next year.
[48:17] OK. Thank you.
[48:20] All right. Thanks for the direction. We'll approach WFRC and then report back.
[48:24] On what their communication is.
[48:26] With hopefully at the next meeting it may be.
[48:30] Maybe later in October.
[48:33] I have two other.
[48:36] Fun things to share.
[48:39] So we have been approached.
[48:42] By the owner of the.
[48:44] Santa Shack.
[48:46] That used to be in Sugar House for years and years. It was on their monument Plaza and has been in a parking lot.
[48:54] For a number of years now.
[48:57] That Santa Shack needs to be relocated due to the extension of the streetcar project in Sugar House.
[49:05] And they are wondering if.
[49:07] We would be interested in finding a home for the censorship.
[49:13] As a staff, we talked about potential areas where that might work.
[49:18] And one area that we identified in the village is on a.
[49:24] A parcel. It's a small pocket.
[49:26] Pocket Park.
[49:28] On the east side of Holiday Blvd. kind of adjacent to Wonderland.
[49:34] In front of what was the original City Hall.
[49:39] There is a small park there that is.
[49:42] Underutilized.
[49:45] The parcel is owned by Ken Melby and we have a lease agreement where we pay a nominal amount for that park to be public.
[49:54] And then we.
[49:55] Do some maintenance on the site.
[49:58] I spoke with Ken today and he was, I would say, very enthusiastic about the idea of that Santa shack being relocated.
[50:09] He offered to help us raise money.
[50:13] And had a number of, I thought really good suggestions about some programming that we could do year round with.
[50:19] Local businesses.
[50:22] We think we're still working through what the cost might be, but I am going to guess that this will be under $20,000 to both
[50:27] purchase and move.
[50:33] Of the Santa Shack as we continue our conversations, if you'd like us.
[50:38] To proceed down this path, we'll get to better numbers.
[50:41] But I.
[50:42] Just wanted to see what.
[50:43] Appetite the council has for the Santa Shack.
[50:46] Before we we move forward at all.
[50:53] Your district, Dave.
[50:54] Yeah, I guess.
[50:56] One question is like do we have no like what condition is or how old is the shack?
[51:01] So my understanding is that the shack was constructed so it's. It's not the original shack, it is a.
[51:08] Reproduction of the shack and it's.
[51:11] Actually quite substantial.
[51:13] But I believe it was last constructed in 2009.
[51:18] So if you would like us to continue to explore, I think that would be the next step is we'll go look at it and.
[51:26] Assess the condition.
[51:28] Yeah, that sounds good to me.
[51:31] It's worth exploring.
[51:32] Yeah. The other thing I would be concerned about is just how do you secure it?
[51:37] Because it's primary use would be Christmas time, but then.
[51:40] You know, how do you prevent?
[51:41] Vandalism and abuse and.
[51:43] Secure it and next thing you know, we've got a.
[51:47] You know what's that movie Money pit.
[51:50] So those are some of the issues I'd be concerned about.
[51:53] And of course.
[51:54] You know I.
[51:55] Something that wouldn't be.
[51:56] Useful to for the Council to review.
[51:59] Even the lease agreement.
[52:00] That regarding this park and have a faint recollection that.
[52:05] Uh, my predecessor, Rob Daly.
[52:08] The scratch didn't have a little bit over that.
[52:10] Lease agreement and I'm just completely unfamiliar with it.
[52:14] Sure. Umm.
[52:15] But but I think with regard to.
[52:19] There's no desire to kill this idea, but I think further study is.
[52:24] Agreed to.
[52:25] OK. So we'll continue to explore it a little more and then?
[52:28] Likely bring it back if not at your meeting on the 17th and your first meeting in October.
[52:34] If we were to move ahead, sorry, would that.
[52:37] Would it be available for this Christmas season or?
[52:40] That is what we've discussed. Whether or not the timeline could actually work is another.
[52:47] Hurdle for us to to overcome.
[52:49] Yeah.
[52:52] OK. Finally, I wanted to let you know several months ago.
[52:57] You gave the thumbs up.
[52:59] To the city accepting the donation.
[53:02] Of Ace.
[53:03] Fine from the Knutson family at Knudsen Park.
[53:08] That is tentatively scheduled to be installed next Thursday.
[53:12] So we'll be sure and let you know in case you're available, and if not, we'll be taking lots of pictures of that installation.
[53:19] Which as I understand it, involves a crane.
[53:23] Is that correct?
[53:24] Yeah, so.
[53:26] Should be pretty.
[53:27] Dramatic footage for us to to look at.
[53:31] Any questions for me?
[53:35] Thank you. Thanks.
[53:36] OK, let's go to council reports. Let's start with the council member Gray.
[53:40] Just one item next Thursday that.
[53:43] And Cottonwood High School is having their Cottonwood community night.
[53:47] From 5:00 to 7:00.
[53:51] There's a lot going on that night. There's free food, games, live performances from the school. There's a petting zoo.
[53:58] And Holiday City is going to have a booth that Council Member Bradley and I will be manning that night. So if you want to come
[54:02] out, don't want to fix dinner.
[54:06] And enjoy the community, they do a fantastic job there and it's a really fun evening.
[54:11] Remind me of the date and time on it.
[54:13] Next Thursday, September 10th.
[54:16] From 5:00 to 7:00.
[54:23] I don't have anything tonight.
[54:26] Customer Brad.
[54:27] Just a couple reminders, we have Blue Moon coming up here in a couple weeks and if you haven't signed up yet for a time.
[54:35] For our council booth.
[54:36] Pleased to do so and.
[54:38] We'd love if you'd like to do a couple hours, that's fine. Two of us there.
[54:42] Should be great.
[54:44] I also wanted to take a moment to thank UPD for their traffic enforcement in our school zones the past.
[54:50] Couple weeks as school has started.
[54:52] I've heard from happy principals and happy parents, so they really appreciate you.
[54:57] Being out there and.
[54:59] Watching over.
[55:00] All of our schools. So thank you.
[55:04] Just a couple of things. First of all, on Saturday we have the screen agers.
[55:09] Movie which is.
[55:11] Part of the holiday movie series and.
[55:15] Deals with the issues of mental health and.
[55:18] Social media and that kind of thing. So that'll be a great event if people are available.
[55:22] And then the.
[55:23] The next Saturday is our first Tree talks of the fall season.
[55:28] And it'll be.
[55:29] Dan Braden.
[55:30] Grade and teen I think is his name from Rocky Mountain Power.
[55:33] And he's going to be talking about.
[55:35] Tree planting and.
[55:36] Being safe.
[55:37] Both with respect to utility.
[55:39] Infrastructure and with.
[55:42] Wildland.
[55:43] Interface.
[55:44] Issues.
[55:45] People are interested. I would.
[55:47] That's always an interesting event.
[55:49] Great Councillor Simult.
[55:51] Nothing tonight.
[55:52] OK, very good.
[55:53] Two quick items, uh.
[55:54] Council Member Bradley and I earlier today went to a grand opening ribbon cutting for.
[55:58] The new Fizz.
[56:01] Dirty soda joint and the old Piccadilly Fish and Chips building.
[56:07] And I'm very excited.
[56:10] Franchise owner there.
[56:12] He's got a couple other locations up in North Salt Lake.
[56:15] He lives in Bountiful, but he grew up here and was very excited to open.
[56:18] A fizzing is a home digs.
[56:21] And we wish them the best of luck.
[56:24] And I think you enjoyed one of The Dirty sodas and I had a couple of their.
[56:28] Cups of their.
[56:29] Fizz cream puffy things.
[56:32] So anyway, I encouraged them to.
[56:35] Be excellent in their throughput in order to keep the.
[56:39] Back up on the street to a minimum if possible.
[56:41] And but he's got a pretty good configuration there and.
[56:44] And anyway, worse than it was.
[56:46] The best thing about it was.
[56:48] You know, to have that building that had fallen into.
[56:51] The considerable disrepair.
[56:53] Back in action.
[56:54] And in good repair and.
[56:57] Providing a benefit of the community.
[57:00] Next thing, oh the other thing, I got a letter again. UPD. I've got a letter from.
[57:04] Bonnie Dell of the Arts Council, who was expressing her great appreciation for UPD for all the assistance during the Summer
[57:08] Concert Series and.
[57:12] And she?
[57:14] Send a letter I think we got posted on the refrigerator in the break room if you like.
[57:18] Note of that.
[57:20] That's all I have.
[57:21] So let's proceed with the.
[57:25] Updating our calendars. Our next council meeting is September 17th.
[57:29] And then our two meetings in October will be the first.
[57:32] And not the 15th, but rather the 22nd.
[57:35] So we'll keep make note of that. If you've got recurring entries, you'll need to move the one from the.
[57:39] 15th to the 22nd.
[57:41] So with that.
[57:44] Uh, did we decide we didn't need to actually motion this to recess to work meeting? We just need to get?
[57:48] Declare it.
[57:50] Oh, let's just do that.
[57:52] Unless we're into like the ceremony of it or something that's just a recess to a Workman. Anybody need a?
[57:58] Break everybody, you doing OK?
[58:01] OK, let's proceed to our work meeting. Our first item or.
[58:05] First item up on the agenda is.
[58:07] Y2.
[58:14] Good evening folks, a pleasure to see you all.
[58:17] We are just here to chat through the.
[58:19] Community Survey I'm.
[58:21] Gonna do a quick overview of our standard methodology.
[58:25] To refresh everyone's memories.
[58:26] And then we can do a.
[58:29] Sort of. Umm.
[58:29] Flyby of the questionnaire itself.
[58:32] We've also received a couple requests to add some questions to the communications section.
[58:38] So we'll.
[58:39] Be making a few changes still if you do have specific questions or topics that.
[58:44] You think are a high priority for the Council that you'd like us to address? Let us know.
[58:49] There are a lot of questions here that.
[58:51] We have preserved overtime because the real value is in seeing whether or not public opinion has moved on those issues, so.
[58:58] We'll go over all of that.
[59:00] But to start off.
[59:01] Our methodology for this survey administration is to select a random sample of households throughout the city.
[59:08] We send postcard invitations to participate in the survey online.
[59:12] And send text message invitations or reminders where we are able to.
[59:17] Procure cell phone numbers for those sampled households as well.
[59:21] That typically results in a pretty healthy response rate. I think the last time we conducted this survey in holiday, we had just
[59:25] over 600 responses.
[59:29] And uh.
[59:30] That was the.
[59:31] Just shy of two years ago now, so.
[59:34] We're ready to come back out and.
[59:35] Take another pulse from the community.
[59:38] The survey will be in the field for approximately 10 days, so we'll keep things open for residents to respond at their leisure
[59:42] during that time.
[59:47] And again, they'll receive.
[59:49] Text message invitation and or reminder depending on how our response rates are looking so that we can make sure we have a good
[59:54] balanced sample demographically and geographically of residents of the city as a whole.
[1:00:00] Any questions there?
[1:00:03] Great. OK. So going through the questionnaire again, sort of at a high level here for the sake of time.
[1:00:10] We start out with some introductory questions looking at residents, overall quality of life, and high level perceptions of the
[1:00:13] city.
[1:00:17] One request we received from the communications department was to add a question about a sense of belonging in the city of Holiday
[1:00:22] to add to some of our quality of life measures here. So.
[1:00:27] We're going to insert that into this section of the survey.
[1:00:32] And then we have some high level approval questions for the mayor and City Council for yourselves and then?
[1:00:38] Perceptions of how the city has changed overtime, if at all things folks like most things, they are most concerned about looking
[1:00:41] toward the future.
[1:00:45] And then some evaluations of.
[1:00:48] The city as a good place to live, it's sort of a referral or market research.
[1:00:53] Metric there.
[1:00:54] For overall performance.
[1:00:56] We then move into a section of the survey that focuses on city services, so.
[1:01:01] Value for the tax dollar that residents receive.
[1:01:04] Overall perceptions of.
[1:01:06] City management and performance in that way.
[1:01:09] If folks feel that there are businesses in.
[1:01:12] Lacking in the city or things they would like to see? We've asked to follow up.
[1:01:15] Question to get a sense of what it is they would like to see more of in terms of economic development opportunities.
[1:01:21] We look at individual city service evaluations here, both those cities provided directly by or services to.
[1:01:27] Provided directly by the city and those that are provided by contracted agencies the city works with.
[1:01:32] And ask for.
[1:01:34] Any specific comments folks have regarding any of those services or their experiences within the past year?
[1:01:40] We then have a.
[1:01:41] Budget allocation exercise question that gives us a sense of residents priorities for potential improvements or additional funding
[1:01:48] as we're looking toward the future. So areas where residents might like to see more investment from the city.
[1:01:57] Go ahead. Perfect. Then our news and communication section. We're looking at communication sources that residents are currently
[1:02:02] relying on and the sources that they would most prefer to receive information.
[1:02:08] From and then the cadence of which they.
[1:02:11] At which they receive communication from the city. How satisfied they are there.
[1:02:16] Again, a couple of questions from the communications department that they've requested that we add.
[1:02:21] Include.
[1:02:22] Whether residents feel that they are.
[1:02:26] Whether they feel their neighbors are informed about city events, We're we're working on how to ask that question in a diplomatic
[1:02:31] way without offending anyone or just causing speculation. But.
[1:02:36] I think it's.
[1:02:37] It's important to understand.
[1:02:39] Whether there is sort of a?
[1:02:41] A word of mouth network that is or is not informing participation and enthusiasm for city events.
[1:02:47] And then we have.
[1:02:49] Overall response to.
[1:02:52] Direct contact with the city, so if residents have reached out to a city office.
[1:02:56] How was their experience, are they satisfied or not and if they had any comments about that?
[1:03:01] We then have a new section for the survey this year that is focused on the city's Independence Day celebration.
[1:03:08] And looking at evaluations of different aspects of the event, specifically following up on satisfaction with the drone show from
[1:03:14] this year, so whether residents participated there and what they thought about it. We want to get a good high level pulse.
[1:03:21] And then looking at future events, what?
[1:03:25] Components for the Independence Day celebration folks would like to see continued.
[1:03:30] We include in that list of options both fireworks and a drone show because one of the main goals of this section is to understand
[1:03:36] the appetite from residents for.
[1:03:42] A traditional fireworks show.
[1:03:43] Versus the drone show alternative so.
[1:03:46] Looking at that going forward.
[1:03:49] And then a potential date.
[1:03:51] Forward that Independence Day celebration.
[1:03:53] Looking at 2027 and the the calendaring.
[1:03:56] Trick there.
[1:03:57] So the last.
[1:04:00] Substantive section of the survey here is focused on neighborhoods and housing, so looking at attributes of residents,
[1:04:05] neighborhoods, their perceptions of accessibility, amenities, et cetera.
[1:04:10] And then?
[1:04:12] The types of housing that are available within their neighborhoods, whether they think things would be or types of developments,
[1:04:16] would be a good fit for their part of the city or not.
[1:04:22] And then we added a question.
[1:04:25] Or two about sidewalks and St. lighting.
[1:04:28] This year, so whether the amount and.
[1:04:30] Quality or?
[1:04:32] Maintenance of.
[1:04:34] Streetlights and sidewalks is appropriate or needs adjustment one way or another.
[1:04:40] And then the last section of the survey is just our demographics. So again, making sure that we have a good representative sample
[1:04:44] of residents of the city of Holiday as a whole.
[1:04:49] Any questions or comments?
[1:04:52] Given that.
[1:04:53] Brief overview.
[1:04:56] What's the time frame for the drop in the?
[1:04:58] Collection. Great question.
[1:05:00] So once we have approved the survey, we're looking to get into the field just.
[1:05:05] After Labor Day weekend, which?
[1:05:07] Right around the corner now, so we're looking at probably mailing out our postcards.
[1:05:12] Late next week, early the following week.
[1:05:15] Again, avoiding as many fall holiday.
[1:05:18] End of summer holidays as we can.
[1:05:20] Will again be collecting responses for somewhere between 10 days to two weeks.
[1:05:25] And then we will have results to share with the city in a council meeting.
[1:05:30] November at the latest, but we're looking at probably having.
[1:05:33] Results to share by the end of October, so possibly even that October 22nd meeting.
[1:05:39] With regard to the like sidewalks and streetlights and those sorts of.
[1:05:43] Issues I noted there wasn't necessarily a question of.
[1:05:47] If you want to have.
[1:05:48] More or better lighting or sidewalks?
[1:05:51] How much are you willing to pay for that? Because it's not free.
[1:05:54] Because sometimes when you ask.
[1:05:56] I'm wondering about those questions if there's not a.
[1:05:59] A question that sort of reminds them that.
[1:06:01] Those don't just fall from the trees.
[1:06:05] How that kind of affects the responsiveness if you don't have a?
[1:06:08] That's a related question regarding.
[1:06:11] Sure what it would cost him.
[1:06:13] Yeah, we do have.
[1:06:15] Both sidewalks and St. lighting included in the services evaluation section. So where we're playing that budget allocation
[1:06:21] exercise which will help us understand a sense of priority to some extent, where.
[1:06:28] We don't have specific proposals in front of us for residents for.
[1:06:33] A section of sidewalk or streetlights for a particular neighborhood.
[1:06:37] It would be difficult to present that question with a dollar amount to residents in a way that isn't.
[1:06:42] You know, misleading or flippant. So if there is a specific proposal under consideration, that's something that we would want to
[1:06:47] pose to residents with a dollar amount attached.
[1:06:52] We could also ask a general willingness to pay question.
[1:06:55] But again, without being able to contextualize that with some frame of reference of, this is what we anticipate it would cost to
[1:06:59] complete.
[1:07:04] X number of miles of additional sidewalk or whatever the case may be, but you still think the.
[1:07:10] The value of the data you get back without that additional cost context is still.
[1:07:15] Because it's still worth asking.
[1:07:17] I think so. I think again, understanding the the level of priority for different areas of the city can then inform.
[1:07:24] Whether we explore future projects for.
[1:07:27] Additional sidewalks or streetlights if there are specific neighborhoods where there is a lot of enthusiasm compared to.
[1:07:34] Other areas where folks are satisfied with things the way they are.
[1:07:37] That can.
[1:07:38] Provide a lot of.
[1:07:39] Clear direction to the city's planning department.
[1:07:42] And then do you, do you have a sense? I'm not even sure how?
[1:07:45] What the current environment is?
[1:07:47] From the larger context, how might you know how?
[1:07:50] People can.
[1:07:51] That are making a judgment about something this big.
[1:07:54] Within the environment that this big is horrible right now, and so it affects their judgments.
[1:07:59] Yeah. So I don't know if I asked that very diplomatically or not, but.
[1:08:04] And I don't even know, you know, what this is right now. It's crazy, but I don't.
[1:08:08] You know, I don't know not how it would affect, you know, this. Yeah. And we, you know, we've seen.
[1:08:15] National and state level mood affect some of our city survey results in the past.
[1:08:22] Frankly, it will be interesting to see how things shake out this time. I don't have a clear sense heading into.
[1:08:29] This midterm election cycle, how much?
[1:08:32] Noise is going to be top of mind for holiday residents.
[1:08:35] But that is something that.
[1:08:37] That we'll want to keep in mind when we're interpreting those results.
[1:08:40] We'll see it in the open-ended comments section at the end of this. I can tell you that much. If it's going like this, we'll have
[1:08:44] an excuse that we can blame it on the larger. Exactly.
[1:08:50] And one thing I'd add, Mayor, is that as part of our reason for moving this a little ahead and the cycle is to.
[1:08:56] Separate relative to the election, yeah, that was.
[1:09:00] The reason for my first question about timetable, ma'am.
[1:09:03] Anyone else?
[1:09:04] I just on.
[1:09:06] From what source do you currently see most of your information about the city of Holiday?
[1:09:09] Yes, I was wondering about next door app notifications. I know my neighborhood and other neighborhoods.
[1:09:15] Don't use that app as much. It felt like a little too specific. You said next door or other group.
[1:09:21] Apps might just broaden up.
[1:09:23] Yeah, we do bring platforms that I see.
[1:09:27] Whether it's next door or WhatsApp or GroupMe or any of those ones, so to.
[1:09:32] Clarify that a little bit. Yep, that's helpful. Are there?
[1:09:35] Other apps.
[1:09:36] For which that the city uses for.
[1:09:39] Its own official communication dissemination.
[1:09:41] That aren't on this list, I guess is.
[1:09:44] The main reason we've included next Door is because the city has had a presence there in the past.
[1:09:48] Again, if.
[1:09:49] If it makes sense to just broaden that to.
[1:09:52] App use generally might not. We might be capturing.
[1:09:56] More than official city communication. But that's not necessarily a.
[1:09:59] Drawback. Well, I think that.
[1:10:02] For so much of the things that we find out about in the city are word of mouth that now happens through some of these informal
[1:10:06] channels. So maybe I don't know if you want to add a separate category to clarify that, but.
[1:10:12] I think.
[1:10:13] I just think that's how a lot of communication is happening these days that it might be interesting to capture so.
[1:10:17] Perfect. Very helpful. Thank you.
[1:10:20] So to my understanding correctly that.
[1:10:22] The questions about more.
[1:10:24] Or fewer.
[1:10:25] Sidewalks and streetlights, though? That's a new question this cycle.
[1:10:29] We've asked, I believe we asked the sidewalks question.
[1:10:34] Not the previous survey, but the survey before and perhaps the streetlight question as well. I we've alternated a little bit.
[1:10:41] Just based on other priorities that were present in the last administration of the survey.
[1:10:46] But it is.
[1:10:47] Newly reintroduced to the survey this year.
[1:10:50] Thank you.
[1:10:50] Yep, since.
[1:10:53] You ask a fireworks question regarding the 4th of July celebration.
[1:10:59] How? What do you think of?
[1:11:01] Putting a general fireworks question, and I know it's been.
[1:11:06] Quite, umm.
[1:11:09] Hot button issue? I don't know, maybe we don't want to go there, but I'm wondering if you know.
[1:11:13] How do you do a question about personal?
[1:11:16] Personal fire. Personal fireworks. I wondered about that too.
[1:11:19] So. So are you asking me?
[1:11:20] Like do you support?
[1:11:22] Individuals rights to use their to.
[1:11:26] Let off fireworks like.
[1:11:27] Independent of.
[1:11:29] Yes, like drought conditions or just.
[1:11:32] Or just just say.
[1:11:36] Not even bring drought into it. Just say do you?
[1:11:39] Think individuals should be able to let off fireworks?
[1:11:44] The thing that gives me pause on that I am curious about the answer to that question.
[1:11:50] But the thing it gives me pause about including that in the survey would be.
[1:11:54] The decision matrix that we've been going through is strictly based on.
[1:11:58] Fire risk.
[1:12:00] And and so we've kind of established that's our.
[1:12:04] Our metric.
[1:12:05] And, umm.
[1:12:09] I just.
[1:12:11] An odd slope to go down if we get into the.
[1:12:13] Personal opinions about.
[1:12:15] Fireworks.
[1:12:18] I don't know. That's still a good question. I don't know what the answer is for myself.
[1:12:23] And but I but I I am concerned if we go down there if then our.
[1:12:27] Future decision making.
[1:12:29] Gets muddied away from our current matrix.
[1:12:33] Which is essentially.
[1:12:35] Fire safety.
[1:12:37] I don't know though that.
[1:12:38] I mean, we could ask the question, doesn't mean you have to.
[1:12:41] Necessarily, uh.
[1:12:44] Follow.
[1:12:45] A trend or or anything like that?
[1:12:47] It just would be data to have.
[1:12:51] One concern I might have is that our.
[1:12:56] What your role can be is limited by state law.
[1:13:01] And in advance of a legislative session where I understand this issue might be coming up, I'm a.
[1:13:07] A little wary to.
[1:13:09] To wade into this water.
[1:13:12] Without being really, really cautious about our language, so if it's something that the Council is really interested in.
[1:13:19] Perhaps we can craft a question that is pretty.
[1:13:23] Narrow.
[1:13:25] That would be my concern is is.
[1:13:27] Overstating the authority of the Council currently has.
[1:13:32] State law and that's.
[1:13:33] Kind of along the lines of my concerns.
[1:13:35] Well, because we've been able to make that decision.
[1:13:38] Based on the.
[1:13:40] The narrow path that we have to.
[1:13:42] To do those restrictions.
[1:13:44] We don't really have a path.
[1:13:47] With regard to.
[1:13:48] Preference.
[1:13:50] Is that a fair statement?
[1:13:53] Well, never mind then.
[1:13:54] It is a mission question. Yeah, I might get us into hot water.
[1:14:02] Any other thoughts or questions?
[1:14:05] OK. Thank you all for your time.
[1:14:07] Thank you. Thanks.
[1:14:11] OK, uh.
[1:14:13] Last up is discussion of previous public hearings.
[1:14:15] First one, of course, was the.
[1:14:18] Arts and culture is not all the use.
[1:14:22] During the public hearing, at least our comments, we had come up with a couple of little issues about whether or not we've.
[1:14:27] Boxed ourselves in it all.
[1:14:30] Any other concerns?
[1:14:32] Questions. Comments.
[1:14:35] I just want to make it clear that in the short term, I don't think you're boxed in.
[1:14:38] I don't worry about your Blue Moon Festival. I don't worry about things that are going on now.
[1:14:42] But looking forward, I think.
[1:14:44] That's a good thing to think about.
[1:14:46] Is there a permitting process or something for those city sponsored events?
[1:14:52] The way that I interpret your ordinance.
[1:14:55] Through the land use table under the P zone.
[1:14:58] His allowed recreation.
[1:15:00] Outdoor uses.
[1:15:01] When you look at that definition of recreation, outdoor.
[1:15:04] It includes cultural events, amphitheater.
[1:15:07] Type uses so.
[1:15:09] I think that's where we've been operating within that definition of. That's why I have outcome right now.
[1:15:14] With a more specific definition, I think we ought to look at that.
[1:15:18] To answer your question.
[1:15:21] For larger events like.
[1:15:24] I think we get a mass gathering permit.
[1:15:27] For the 4th of July, I believe we're getting one for Blue Moon this year as well.
[1:15:33] There are particular events that we follow that.
[1:15:36] Defined process for.
[1:15:38] But that that's really it for city events. Those are county permits though, right?
[1:15:42] OK. But we don't permit ourselves from the city permit?
[1:15:47] To do our own thing.
[1:15:49] We follow a lot of the same structure though in terms of internal review.
[1:15:55] From both the.
[1:15:56] Police side and our public works and roadside.
[1:15:59] It sounds like if we have Strawberry fields come perform again, we probably will need a mass gathering permit for them as well.
[1:16:10] Yeah, it sounds like, it sounds like we can move forward on this.
[1:16:13] Without without too much heartache and then.
[1:16:15] And then just resolve these issues before next summer.
[1:16:19] It makes sense to me.
[1:16:21] I'm glad you brought that up though.
[1:16:23] Anything else on the?
[1:16:25] Arts and culture.
[1:16:29] OK, very good.
[1:16:31] OK. Let's move on then to the other public hearing regarding the the.
[1:16:35] The zone change.
[1:16:38] Yeah, so I guess.
[1:16:38] The the the big item is.
[1:16:41] Yeah, there's that.
[1:16:42] Communal uh.
[1:16:44] Stormwater handling assets.
[1:16:46] And I guess there had been some confusion early on, perhaps when there was a.
[1:16:51] A neighborhood meeting? Perhaps the developer had some conceptual designs that hadn't been reviewed or appeared.
[1:16:57] For approved or blessed by the city.
[1:16:59] That had not given adequate attention to.
[1:17:01] Those storm water assets?
[1:17:03] But that has since been.
[1:17:05] Corrected. I understand where.
[1:17:07] They understand that those assets are there and that.
[1:17:09] They're important to us.
[1:17:11] And they need to develop around them.
[1:17:13] And then also with regard to the trees, of course.
[1:17:16] Our tree ordinance protects.
[1:17:18] Trees not only in.
[1:17:20] You know the.
[1:17:22] Parking strip in the front of properties in the city, right of way, but also along.
[1:17:27] Canals and waterways.
[1:17:29] And so those would not be.
[1:17:31] Uh, randomly have to down too, and that they're protected by the true.
[1:17:35] Yeah, you for?
[1:17:37] Standard you have 20 feet from the top of the Bank of the canal.
[1:17:41] Everything.
[1:17:42] Toward the property will be protected.
[1:17:44] Right. And then the other some other concerns about.
[1:17:49] That the R1 zone is.
[1:17:52] Is generally the most generous to neighboring properties, right? In terms of.
[1:17:56] Set back and in terms of heights generally.
[1:18:00] Because the more dense you tend to get less set back and.
[1:18:03] More height, right?
[1:18:05] Because you're trying to incorporate private driveways and turnarounds and things of that nature.
[1:18:10] Um, based on the applicants change.
[1:18:13] Our clarification in his lot sizes.
[1:18:15] The rear yard set back.
[1:18:17] Gets grows to 35 feet away from my rear property lines.
[1:18:22] Which will make that West side.
[1:18:24] It would be interesting to see how they come, how they can comply with that ordinance. Yeah. So the larger the lot, the bigger the
[1:18:28] set back a little bit more height.
[1:18:32] Perhaps, but then.
[1:18:33] The set back has also increased.
[1:18:36] To offset that, yeah, same with this, the side yards as well.
[1:18:39] Obviously the larger of the lot.
[1:18:42] That dimension.
[1:18:43] Yeah, greatly increases.
[1:18:46] Yeah, so it is ends up being the most generous.
[1:18:50] In terms of R1 at least.
[1:18:53] Compare our 10 or.
[1:18:54] R110 versus R121, but.
[1:18:58] R110 is the one that's compatible with the surrounding neighborhood, so.
[1:19:01] But but the other.
[1:19:03] Options could have been.
[1:19:05] R28 or R210?
[1:19:07] Which, uh.
[1:19:09] Are not more generous, if anything less generous.
[1:19:11] They would be very similar to the Sunnybrook.
[1:19:14] Development, right?
[1:19:15] Right, so.
[1:19:17] I just wanted to.
[1:19:18] I'm trying to remember. So he said that he wants to build.
[1:19:20] Two half acre.
[1:19:22] Lots of that, right?
[1:19:23] 3 heavy locks.
[1:19:26] To me, some of the concerns that were expressed about traffic with three more houses I'm I'm not terribly concerned about.
[1:19:32] About 3 more.
[1:19:34] Houses worth of traffic.
[1:19:35] Yeah, It sounds like some of the other issues that they're dealing with or.
[1:19:39] Are issues that.
[1:19:40] Could be addressed, but are independent of this.
[1:19:42] Particular issue.
[1:19:44] Yeah, I think the.
[1:19:46] You know the foot traffic from seminary just moves it.
[1:19:49] A little bit from the South, a little bit north, so it doesn't change the volumes at all.
[1:19:53] Yeah, and.
[1:19:55] And also diminishes.
[1:19:58] Traffic.
[1:19:58] From regular Sunday worship service and whatever during the week.
[1:20:02] Things happen at.
[1:20:03] What would be the word building there?
[1:20:07] And but you have 3 households. I mean it's commercial that generates traffic and trips residential.
[1:20:13] Particularly R1.
[1:20:15] Doesn't generate.
[1:20:18] Meaningful traffic.
[1:20:19] Actually.
[1:20:20] The traffic will be diminished because right now.
[1:20:24] The church parking lot is being.
[1:20:25] Used by.
[1:20:26] Olympus Students.
[1:20:28] And once the.
[1:20:30] Once this is all built.
[1:20:32] That will be gone, so there will be actually a little bit less traffic.
[1:20:36] I'm curious at which.
[1:20:38] Is it on the east or the West side?
[1:20:41] They're proposing to put the road.
[1:20:44] On the South side.
[1:20:47] Excuse me, North or South? So it is I was.
[1:20:50] South of the church down OK, I was curious because of what the woman that.
[1:20:55] That lives on Sunnybrook. Why was asking?
[1:20:58] So that.
[1:21:00] Those 3.
[1:21:02] Twin homes will be.
[1:21:04] No, do I not?
[1:21:05] Excuse me, These these three? Yeah.
[1:21:08] Those will be.
[1:21:10] Dells will back up to a backyard, but it'll be a.
[1:21:14] Either a backyard or a seminary.
[1:21:16] Is that right?
[1:21:17] Yeah, and.
[1:21:18] Where that little where it's the label R110 below the R, there's that little island of landscaping.
[1:21:25] Generally you can draw a circle around that where the cul-de-sac.
[1:21:28] Be installed. Oh OK.
[1:21:32] Thank you.
[1:21:33] Can you remind me, John?
[1:21:35] What the process will be for?
[1:21:37] Public input on.
[1:21:39] Things going forward like.
[1:21:41] The storm drainage issues on the.
[1:21:43] Heights and setbacks and things.
[1:21:46] Sure, for the subdivision application.
[1:21:49] Before the Planning Commission will notify the same 500 feet around the property.
[1:21:54] And we'll take comment on what's being proposed on layout.
[1:21:58] The access part.
[1:22:00] And the technical review committee's recommendation on what's being proposed for that drainage system, if anything at all.
[1:22:06] So it would be available as far as.
[1:22:09] Civil level drawings.
[1:22:11] To the public.
[1:22:12] On our website and in that meeting.
[1:22:16] And also the protection of the trees along the canal.
[1:22:23] I had a question.
[1:22:24] Looking at Mr. catches e-mail.
[1:22:27] He mentioned a.
[1:22:28] Pipe A large pipe.
[1:22:29] That he had concerns about.
[1:22:31] I don't know if that was.
[1:22:32] Discussed in this meeting, I think he mentioned or the developer mentioned that they had earlier or.
[1:22:37] If that's an issue that the city has any involvement with or is that just out of our?
[1:22:41] Our scope I can let.
[1:22:43] Jared answered that question for you. He knows about pipes better than I do.
[1:22:56] It's actually pipe.
[1:22:59] Not pipe.
[1:23:01] The city.
[1:23:02] Has 2 facilities.
[1:23:04] Crosses this property 1 is a.
[1:23:07] About a 30 or 36 inch storm drain that comes off of 2300 E.
[1:23:12] That collects water.
[1:23:13] From 39th South.
[1:23:15] And further north into Mill Creek.
[1:23:20] That 30 or 36 inch pipe discharges into the upper canal.
[1:23:26] The Upper canal is a city owned facility.
[1:23:30] We have.
[1:23:32] A leasing or some kind of an agreement with the upper canal to allow the upper canal to convey their irrigation water.
[1:23:40] In the that canal.
[1:23:46] The canal is piped in a.
[1:23:48] Large diameter pipe that's over.
[1:23:51] About 80 inches diameter.
[1:23:54] From Sway to Drive.
[1:23:56] Up to.
[1:23:59] Where you see the blue line there?
[1:24:01] So it runs, I don't know the exact length of that, about 300 feet.
[1:24:06] Crosses over into the.
[1:24:07] That church property about 100 feet.
[1:24:11] That discharges.
[1:24:13] They're the 30 inch pipe I was referring to that comes off of 2300 days discharges into a.
[1:24:21] A detention basin.
[1:24:23] With the.
[1:24:25] Control structure wall.
[1:24:28] Before discharges into the canal. So it is a fairly complicated.
[1:24:34] Irrigation slash stormwater control.
[1:24:38] System there on the property.
[1:24:40] The city is very aware of the facilities, the condition of the facilities and how they function.
[1:24:47] That is why we did meet.
[1:24:48] With the property.
[1:24:50] The the buyer and just explain those things to him.
[1:24:54] And reiterate.
[1:24:55] Some of the.
[1:24:57] Things brought forward in Mr. Gedge's e-mail.
[1:25:01] Is there any umm.
[1:25:03] Outstanding.
[1:25:06] Maintenance needs that.
[1:25:08] We can take advantage of, you know.
[1:25:10] Demo period and.
[1:25:11] Because it'd be easier to do it during the demo period than after these new houses are built.
[1:25:16] But that's only if there's a need for any.
[1:25:18] Particular maintenance there was a suggestion that.
[1:25:21] The detention basin head.
[1:25:24] Build up some with some you know.
[1:25:26] Sediment along the years.
[1:25:28] Is there an opportunity?
[1:25:29] Clear out sediment to increase the capacity of the tension basin.
[1:25:33] Or do you?
[1:25:34] Not foresee the.
[1:25:35] The capacity is an issue.
[1:25:37] So the church property was actually having some problems.
[1:25:44] There was a.
[1:25:45] Pipe that was.
[1:25:48] Damaged or something and was causing a fair bit of erosion right at that.
[1:25:52] Control structure.
[1:25:54] We did work with the church to have.
[1:25:57] Their storm drains rerouted.
[1:25:59] They have gone in.
[1:26:02] And rerouted those into the detention facility without.
[1:26:07] Well, they're by bypassing the.
[1:26:10] Sections of the.
[1:26:11] The pipe.
[1:26:13] In that process, there was a fair bit of.
[1:26:16] Maintenance done on that did.
[1:26:18] Tension basin at that time.
[1:26:20] We do look at the.
[1:26:22] Detention basis.
[1:26:23] Base it on a regular.
[1:26:24] Basis.
[1:26:25] It can't fill up with trash.
[1:26:28] Tossed over from the teenagers, mostly.
[1:26:31] Which gets a little frustrating.
[1:26:36] But as far as?
[1:26:37] Capacity with regards to the sediment fill, which can happen overtime. Right now it's it's.
[1:26:44] At a manageable state, we may ask Ivory to.
[1:26:48] Do a little touch up with it.
[1:26:50] But as of now, it's not a.
[1:26:52] Concern.
[1:26:53] There is.
[1:26:55] Regular sediment deposition as well in the upper canal.
[1:26:59] Including in the 80 inch diameter pipe.
[1:27:03] Not much that we could do about that.
[1:27:06] There's a very large capacity in that pipe, so also right now it's not a concern for the city.
[1:27:13] We have video camera the 30 inch.
[1:27:15] Or again I don't know, 3036 inch pipe.
[1:27:18] And it seems to be in.
[1:27:20] A fair condition?
[1:27:22] As well.
[1:27:23] It's not one of the corrugated metal pipes that we.
[1:27:26] Historical problem with It's a concrete reinforced pipe and.
[1:27:30] It's holding up.
[1:27:31] As we would expect.
[1:27:34] OK.
[1:27:38] All right. Thank you.
[1:27:43] Uh, any other questions, concerns, items?
[1:27:45] Discuss.
[1:27:46] Or the one.
[1:27:48] OK, well, I'm pleased to know that you know the city's certainly.
[1:27:53] On top of the.
[1:27:54] The engineering issues and the.
[1:27:57] That those storm drain facilities are as important.
[1:28:00] Das is the rustling community and that the.
[1:28:03] Your developer is.
[1:28:04] Made aware of it.
[1:28:05] And that.
[1:28:06] Their site development plans will be.
[1:28:08] Adequately scrutinized to.
[1:28:10] For the protection of those stormwater assets.
[1:28:14] Um, OK.
[1:28:16] There's nothing else then. I think that was the.
[1:28:19] Last item I presume there's no closed session.
[1:28:23] OK, given that.
[1:28:26] Close 15 minutes late.
[1:28:28] Motion to adjourn.
[1:28:30] 2nd.
[1:28:31] All in favor.
[1:28:33] Aye.