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We will hold the fiscal year 2025-2026 budget hearing at next week's May 20th meeting, seven o'clock here in the council chambers. There's certainly be ample opportunity for the town council to ask questions about the budget, the workshop, which is going to be held on May 22nd, Thursday evening six PM at a law enforcement center. Following budget presentation tonight, we're going to transition into the workshop around transportation issues. With that said, I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Harrington. Good evening, sir. Thank you, Mayor and members of council. Great to be with you.

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this evening. I am honored to share my recommended fiscal year 2025-26 budget with you this evening,

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but before I begin, I would like to share a couple quick comments related to yesterday's

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exciting announcement by Genentech to build a life sciences manufacturing site here in Holly Springs.

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As mentioned yesterday, Genentech a widely considered the founder of the biotechnology industry

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announced a $700 million investment in creation of 400 jobs in Holly Springs with a very competitive

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average salary of $119,000. I thought it might be helpful to share why an announcement like this

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is important for Holly Springs and how it benefits our community. First, it expands job opportunities

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for residents both current and those who are in future generations, those who might be in school now,

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So that they can have an opportunity for a job in the town that they grew up in.

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Two, it continues diversification of local property tax base.

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As commercial tax base grows, this leads to less reliance on residential property taxes

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in the future to fund municipal services and gives us the best opportunity to have one of

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the lowest and most stable property tax rates in White County.

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For those of you wondering when our community will really start to see and feel the financial

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benefits from these investments, it has already begun in some areas, in some ways, as evidenced

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by the lower property tax rate increase required last year to support the $100 million park spawn.

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That went from originally projected a five-set property tax rate increase down to a three-cent

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property tax rate increase as a result of that type of economic development.

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Further tax-based diversification will be reflected in the next weight-counting

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property revaluation in 2027. The impact to residential property tax rates

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won't happen overnight because these companies are still building out, but it is

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already showing a positive impact.

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Three, it expands small business opportunities.

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Companies like Genentech need to procure the products and services of our local business

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community, which will help support the small business ecosystem in Holy Springs and

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again help bolster job creation and local business growth.

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For, with the towns up to 13.7 million economic incentive grant, it is important to note

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that this future grant back to the company is directly reliant upon Genentech's performance

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and investment level in Holly Springs and is only reimbursed for a limited number of years

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using only Genentech property taxes. No other property taxes from any resident or business

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will be used to fund back those grants back to the company. Five, and finally, companies

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like AMGEN, FUJIFILM dials and biotechnologies, CSL Securis, AMGENentech are investing significantly

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to our community. They are supporting our local schools with new STEM-based learning in

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science, technology, engineering, and math. And all are funding new road improvements.

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Some of these improvements have started and more will start soon. So, congratulations

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Mayor and Council, a great win for our community, and we look forward to welcoming Genentech to

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our community over the next several years. So, thank you for the opportunity just to share

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that little bit of information, and with that I'll go ahead and transition into the budget

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recommendation.

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This is the manager's recommended budget, but I think it's fair to say that

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this budget really reflects a lot of teamwork, and that teamwork starts with you, the mayor

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and council, and it also incorporates the wonderful staff that we have in the audience this evening

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to help support this effort. So it's a big reflection of a lot of components.

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The budget also reflects, I think, three important elements.

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First, obviously, the budget recommendation includes current, new recommended expenditures

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to carry out your priorities, but it also reflects and incorporates past decisions and direction

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on investments and policy and policies.

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and also it reflects future intentions for addressing service desires and council and resident priorities.

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The other thing too, Mayor and Council, just before I get started, a couple logistical items.

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I think a little bit earlier this evening you received an email from Cory Peterson,

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our Budget Innovation and Strategy Director with some of the material that you have before you there tonight.

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It includes a public release, an information graphic, the budget book, the budget message,

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the presentation, personnel policy updates, and the fiscal policy update.

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All of these items are also on our website, and certainly recommend and encourage our community

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to check out these documents.

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So Mayor and Council last year, I used the term a winning strategy to describe the budget's

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overall mindset to accurately describe the level of service excellence expected by this

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governing body and our community. This effort reflects one resident feedback through the

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community survey that we recently had in 2003, which in turn then helps inform your strategic

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plan, which serves as our roadmap for the direction of our organization. In three, this

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This winning strategy includes the amazing staff who care greatly about our community and

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the delivery of high quality services.

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Our winning strategy is making headlines and achievements for our community, from

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from visioning how Ting Park area can potentially build out.

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To job growth, to new amenities coming to town, as well as how our businesses are impacting

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the global world. Certainly, there certainly is a lot of positive momentum going on in

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Holy Springs.

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And there's a lot to be proud of. Here recently, you heard us announce

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earlier this in the late winter that we have been upgraded by Moody's Rating Service to

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be a AAA rated financial, our finance is rated AAA.

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That, along with S&P global ratings, also rating us as AAA means that when this municipality

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goes to the debt market to sell debt to fund new infrastructure, we can acquire that

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at the lowest possible cost, which saves our taxpayers money.

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Also, we are an ISO Class I Fire Department.

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ISO, meaning the insurance services organization, which is a group that rates the ability

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for communities to respond to protecting fire or property from fire damage.

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This is a reflection of the quality of our fire department as well as our utility system

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and its capacity and ability to fight fires.

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Also our police department is consistently ranked as one of the safest communities in

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North Carolina, a tremendous achievement that we have had for many years.

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And finally, as part of the citizen satisfaction survey that we have done every two years,

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years, in the most recent one, the company that we use, they do surveys all across the

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entire United States. And in that, we were recognized as the top 10% of communities

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nationwide in the quality of the services that we provide, in the level of customer service

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shown to our residents, and in the value that residents feel for the taxes and fees that

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that they pay to the town.

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The town, as you know, continues to grow.

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We are currently somewhere between 51 and 54,000.

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We'll have a new update here in July.

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But we know that we are likely to retain 65,000 residents

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likely by 2030.

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I think it's also important to note some of the demand

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on our staff that has occurred over the past five years.

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We've had about a 24% increase in population.

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We've had an increase in number of street miles

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that our staff has to maintain, increasing in the number of water customers, water

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main footage that has to be maintained across the town, as well as increase in a

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consumer price index that all of us have felt. In that same five years full-time

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positions have increased 24%. And the general fund operational expenses have

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increased by just 16%. I think it's really important. But within that public

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Public safety has received the most amount of those investments over the past five years

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at 47% which should come as no surprise to the mayor and council based off your prior

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investments in our public safety. Public works is next at 19% and then all of the departments

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average out at 5% of operating expense growth over that five year period. I believe these

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data points reflect an organization that has become more efficient in its delivery of services

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and being good stewards of taxpayer dollars.

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So some of the key recommended budget takeaways.

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First, a high level of investing

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in transportation infrastructure,

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primarily around the Holly Springs Road corridor,

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as well as the Avent Ferry Road corridor,

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which you'll hear more about here just shortly.

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The budget recommends funding design

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for in a fun and inviting transformational festival

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street in the downtown area.

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It also recommends implementing a new microtransit mobility service by early

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2026. As you know we're advancing Eagles landing

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park to construction.

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We're also, I'm also recommending investing

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in employees to help improve our market competitiveness for recruitment

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and retention of talented workforce. And it invests in

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responsible water and wastewater system investments to protect

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are resisting infrastructure and secure future water and sewer capacity needs.

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So, let's look at these elements a little bit more.

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The town manager's $117 million proposed budget is a direct reflection of top council's

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strategic priorities and what residents said they wanted in the most recent community survey.

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Progress made on managing traffic and growth while adding parks,

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greenways, downtown improvements and more.

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The

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Holly Springs Roadwinding Project to ease crosstown traffic is divided into three sections

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East, Central and West. Construction on the East portion is on schedule. The bridge over Middle

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Creek is expected to be done by this summer and then construction begins on a roundabout to make

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a safer entrance and exit to the schools on this busy road. The proposed budget continues to fund

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the roadway makeover through the central portion from Flintpoint Lane to Main Street with

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construction starting next year and it also includes funding to design the

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widening of the West segment from Main Street to NC 55. Also, NC DOT has given

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the town approval to start the design process in 2025 for road widening and

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pedestrian safety improvements on Avent Ferry Road between Ralph Stevens Road and

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Cass Hold Road. Construction is expected to begin in 2029. Voter approved bond-funded

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right turn lanes at both NC 55 and Main Street are also getting underway to reduce backups

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at busy times of the day.

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The proposed budget also introduces a new transportation concept to Holly Springs, micro transit.

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Starting next year, residents will be able to book rides at a low cost to give them another

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easy option to get where they want to go without a car.

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And the town received a grant to cover half the operating costs, saving taxpayers money.

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Excitement is building as the first shovels just hit the ground to begin construction on

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Eagle's Landing Park.

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This voter-approved bond project will give residents a 56-acre park and a state-of-the-art

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recreation center along Cass Hold Road, bringing people together to play in Holly Springs.

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More greenways and sidewalks are also enhancing walkability.

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The just-completed beautiful Middle Creek Greenway provides many neighborhoods and enhanced

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stability to walk all the way to the downtown. Additional residents will also be able to walk

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or bike downtown when construction begins later this year on Utley Creek Greenway Phase 2,

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which is being partially funded by a grant. And construction is starting soon on an important

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sidewalk connection, which will allow walkability between the hospital and downtown Holly Springs.

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Downtown Holly Springs is the heart of the community, and the town is moving forward with

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investments to add to the ambiance there. Designed for a festival street along

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Avent Ferry Road behind Town Hall is included in the budget. Plus,

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enhancements like public art, along with new holiday decorations are coming soon.

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Holly Springs continues to be one of the safest towns in North Carolina.

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This year we celebrated the grand opening of Fire Station 3 to handle growth in the

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Northwest part of Holly Springs. This year's budget recommends acquiring land and

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beginning design on the new Fire Station 4. This station will be located in the

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northeast area of town and will further improve response times to residents and

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businesses.

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The greatest asset the town has are its employees and municipal

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services are delivered through people. Like all business owners know it's very

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important to retain and attract quality talent in this competitive region. The

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recommended budget contains important investments in employee compensation to

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to ensure residents get the best service from top quality professionals in every department.

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Now to the numbers.

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The property tax rate remains unchanged in the proposed budget, keeping Holly Springs

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as one of the lowest property tax rates of the 13 local governments in the county.

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Water and sewer rates are recommended to increase by $12.98 per month for a typical residential

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home.

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As the town continues its important projects to provide clean drinking water to residents

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and a safe and efficient sewer system.

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Also, there is a modest recommended increase for trash and recycling vendor GFL, with residents

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paying 59 cents more per month.

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The yard waste and storm water management fees remain unchanged.

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Finally, Holly Springs is about to celebrate a big milestone starting in July of 2026.

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The proposed budget contains funding for the beginning of the Sesquicentennial celebration,

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when the town turns 150 years old.

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This year-long birthday bash will celebrate the past, present, and future of Hollys Springs,

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building on the town's success for the next 150 years.

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It's an exciting time in Hollys Springs, and the fiscal year 2526 budget

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is focused on executing of the council's strategic priorities and top desires

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from our residents while keeping that small town charm that makes Holly Springs so special.

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Mayor Council, we have a tremendous video production team and I want to thank Cassie Haag for the narration on that.

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I'm not taking the video so it was a great job. Thank you very much.

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So now I'd like to share a few more details about the projected revenues and expenditure highlights.

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For next fiscal year, the budget totals 117.7 million.

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that's comprised of the general fund of approximately 65 million and that the

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general fund includes most of the core basic services that residents have come

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to know and need like police, fire, transportation, and solid waste collection.

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It also includes around 26 million for the utility fund. This is for water and

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sewer. General fund debt service had approximately 17.7 million which accounts for

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the investments in long-term community assets, a stormwater management, and as well a special

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revenue fund which accounts for unique revenues that are restricted by use, for example, the state-shared

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gas tax revenues that we use to augment or help support our road maintenance. It's also important

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to note that each one of these areas essentially has to operate like its own checkbook with its

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own set of expenses and its own set of revenues that are managed independently from the various

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components.

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When you look at general fund revenues, approximately 70 percent are comprised

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from two sources, property tax and sales tax. This budget recommends no property tax rate

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change. And we are seeing continued strong property tax based growth, particularly from

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industry, commercial and residential. But we are seeing some slowing in the sales tax

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growth. And this budget reflects that. I'll speak on this more in just a second. And there

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There is some economic uncertainty as we look ahead in planning our revenues.

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You may recall that sales tax revenue is highly sensitive to economic conditions and

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influences.

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Over the past decade, sales tax has been one of our fastest growing revenues.

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In fact, on average or the past decade, sales tax has increased on average 12% each year.

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When you look at this chart in front of you, in particular, I'll denote fiscal years

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21, 22, and 23, and you notice some pretty significant jump-ups in that time period.

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That's attributable to four components.

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One, a change in purchasing habits during COVID.

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Two, federal stimulus money, that was making its way into the national economy.

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3 inflation and 4 population growth. Based on analysis of the current fiscal year sales

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tax collections and the likelihood for some slowing or very slow to no growth in sales

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taxes over the next fiscal year, I'm recommending budgeting sales tax flat and 0% growth.

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The property tax rate recommendation, as I said, no change and maintains your 34.35 cents

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evaluation or evaluate a sense per $100 valuation and when you break this out just a little

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bit more you recall that by budget policy you split out into two components the property

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taxes that you receive.

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One component, 21.69 cents goes to the general fund to support the operations there and

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then a little over 12 cents is dedicated to your capital program which you have a very strong

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and aggressive capital program, and this portion of the property tax rate funds those long-term large-scale investments.

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Holley Springs would remain one of the lowest property tax rates among all 13 local governments in

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Wake County with this budget recommendation.

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In this particular chart, you see the municipal average, and we have also included the fiscal year 26

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recommended changes that we know so far from other managers who have given their budget recommendations.

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issues. It's not a guarantee whether or not their councils will adopt these rates but

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this is what has been recommended. There are three of those. You see Kerry, Apex and a

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small component with Wake County related to the library bonds that were passed this past

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year. With this, you see here, Holly Springs would go to the second lowest property tax rate

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in Wake County.

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Next I'd like to provide a summary of general fund expenditures.

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And when

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over 4 million is related to new expenditures in the general fund, with most of those

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going toward organizational excellence, and then you see the other three categories.

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But let's look at these from a little bit different view.

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within these 4 strategic-

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Already areas, the 4 million is parsed out as you see here on the right side. Around market-based

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compensation adjustments, again, to help us with recruitment and retention of towns and individuals,

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a pay-for-performance program for our employees based on merit, base budget expenditures

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that reflect basically keeping the lights on and other types of basic service growth that's

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related to basic service growth related to growth in population, also about 500,000

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in new expansionary type of investments in the general fund, some benefits and other

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personnel change adjustments there, and then new positions totaling a little bit over

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200,000.

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Now, I'd like to transition to talk a little bit more specifically about key initiatives

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in the recommended budget, and it's probably fair to say let me start with the one that's

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probably most on your mind and perhaps the minds of our residents and that's transportation.

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These were mentioned in the video so I will just highlight a few of the key components

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just to drive home some key points.

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As you know, the investments on Holly Springs Road Quarter are a tremendous level investment

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by the state of North Carolina as well as our local tax payers.

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This will be a four lane median divided connection all the way from NC 55 to the I-540.

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NC DOT has completed their component at this stage.

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The East component is currently under construction and anticipated to be finalized at the end of this year.

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As you heard in the video, the central segment, we are in the process right now of property acquisition and we anticipate going to construction next year.

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And then the West segment, you recall that we were fortunate to receive a capital area metropolitan planning organization grant,

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which will cover almost all of that particular design for the West segment with a small match on the town side.

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that is included in the budget so that we can at least get designed going for that last phase of this really important corridor.

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Mayor Counsel, you've also stated that your priority is to complete the Holly Springs Road corridor,

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but you have also been very clear in your expectation that we also try to find ways to accelerate and ensure

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that the timeline for the completion of even ferry road phase two moves forward.

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I want you to tell you that we have done just that and I'm grateful for the partnership

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that we have with NC DOT to help make that happen.

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Phase one has already been completed from Ralph Stevens Road to NC 55 and phase two would

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be from Castle Road to Ralph Stevens Road who would begin design in 2025 and NC DOT would

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fund the project and the town would be the administrator for NC DOT to administer and implement

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and carry out execution of that project a little bit.

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Construction is anticipated to start in 2029

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after design and property acquisition.

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I think it's also important to say that for the community,

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we have heard the community,

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and we've heard you, Mayor and Council,

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in terms of your concerns around Avan Ferry Road,

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and that's in this particular section.

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And again, being grateful for the partnership with NCDOT

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to move this particular project forward.

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One of the key transformational recommendations

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In your adopted downtown area plan includes an inviting and fun festival street concept.

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This is one of the key components in your downtown area plan.

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And it involves, in the upcoming fiscal year, I'm recommending 500,000 to begin design

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of that particular festival street to get that work going.

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And the concept here is you have a street that can function one as a motorist street like

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typically experienced today, but that it also has different types of pedestrian components

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that can be more friendly and inviting from a public space standpoint and an inviting

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atmosphere for festivals, whether those be on the weekends or maybe even sometimes in

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evenings.

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And this is a really exciting component of the downtown area plan and thrilled to be able

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to recommend that to you here this evening.

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Also, Council, you have been working on and reviewing microtransit options since your February

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Council retreat. In the spirit of not over complicating things, micro transit is

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just that. Public transit on a smaller, more flexible scale designed to better

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meet the mobility needs of our residents. The town has received an ongoing

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operating grant from the Capital Area Metropolitan Planning Organization

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Campo to cover one half of the anticipated operating cost.

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Next steps include

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public engagement to refine the service design and bidding the service to a private company.

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The concept as well includes a Monday through Friday service from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m.

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with fares being zero or nothing for seniors and those who are disabled, a standard fare of two

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dollars, and those who live in the extra territorial jurisdiction, the area right outside our

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corporate limits, but within our planning jurisdiction, those individuals a $4 ride.

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In last week, Mayor and Council, we held a really exciting groundbreaking for Eagles

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Landing Park.

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It's great to see many of you there, which will be an exceptional 56-acre park, Parks and

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Recreation and Medicine on the Cast Holt Road, right across from Holly Springs High School.

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I invite residents to follow our progress on this important investment on the Towns

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website, which we will update as the project moves forward.

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With that, next, I'd like to invite up Corey Peterson, our budget innovation and strategy

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director to share a few more specific budget highlights.

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Thank you, Mr. Harrington.

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Mayor Council, I'm excited to now share a few additional highlights in this year's recommendation.

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First up, as we prepare to celebrate the town's 150th anniversary, we are going to try to

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I teach 50,000 people how to pronounce sesquids intennial.

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Cassie, did I?

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There we go.

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I've been practicing.

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So now the celebration won't begin until 2026, but as you know what they say, you only turn 151.

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So we're already getting plans underway, more details of course to come on that.

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Next, for public safety investments, this recommendation seeks to maintain our status as one of the safest communities in the state with investments in personal protective equipment.

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equipment, and swift water rescue training for our firefighters.

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Additionally, the manager is recommending to begin the process for replacing one of

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our fire department apparatus.

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The current engine does have a few more years of expected operations.

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However, lead times for new fire vehicles has grown to 24 to 36 months, necessitating

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beginning the replacement process in the next fiscal year.

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Lastly, the governing body has made significant investments in the town's asset management and

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facility maintenance over the past two years, and this recommendation seeks to build

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on that with two new positions, one for public works, one for parks, to enhance our maintenance

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capacity as well as additional investments for increased preventative and corrective maintenance

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and alignment with the town's asset management plans.

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Now this year's recommended budget includes seven new full-time positions, however there's

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also a recommendation to reduce four vacant positions for a net total of just three new

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positions. For the growth management and economic vitality strategic area, a

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development engineering and construction manager is recommended to complete the

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restructuring plan for the development services department and improve our ability

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to address client issues given the number, scale of both private and public

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projects underway. Next, a utility technician is recommended to assist in meeting

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state requirements to inspect and maintain the town's over 250 miles of sewer line.

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Now moving to organizational excellence, a project that

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accountant position is recommended to assist in the accounting, reporting, and debt

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management for our over 150 and growing number of capital projects.

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It's speaking capital projects, an IT technician for infrastructure is recommended

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to help support the growing use of technology to improve automation,

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efficiency, and the security of town assets.

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To round out organizational excellence, a communication specialist position

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that will focus on website content.

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Our website is the number one resource used by residents,

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and this position will enhance that capability

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while also ensuring that the town is meeting

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federally mandated ADA compliance standards.

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Additionally, this position will be working on the web content

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for the upcoming assessment centennial.

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Now for vibrant community,

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I mentioned before the two maintenance positions

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to enhance our asset management

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and facility maintenance capabilities,

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but I also want to note that town managers

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requesting authority to begin recruitment in 2026 for an anticipated fiscal year 27 EGLE's landing park manager

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that position would not start until July of 27. Also as previously indicated this budget reduces four vacant positions.

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I want to emphasize that these positions are not unneeded. However, in consultation with our operating departments

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there were opportunities where we felt these resources could be better served within our budgetary means.

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I think it's fair to say some of these positions may be requested back in future years as

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we continue to assess operational needs.

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Now to continue with our personal investments, this year's recommendation seeks to maintain

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Holly Springs as an employer of choice.

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A few of the notable investments include pay-for-performance merit-based pay adjustments and the phase-to-implementation

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of market-based compensation adjustments.

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You may recall last year's Phase I implementation focused on sworn public safety officers while Phase II is for our general government employees.

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Next, our Human Resources Department is pleased to offer this year a new health plan option with a health savings account for employees.

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This new plan will provide a lower premium cost share for employees and a great new option in particular for those with family members on their health plan.

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I am also pleased to share that we are seeing great benefits from the town's participation

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and the NC Health Insurance Pool in-ship that is mitigating health insurance increases.

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The town is positioned to absorb the 3.7% premium increase, which is notably lower than

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many of our surrounding peers.

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Lastly, the town is paying for a mandatory increase to the employer contribution to the NC

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local government employee retirement system or elders, which is the retirement system

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for local government employees in North Carolina.

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Now Mayor and Council over the past few years, you've heard from the town manager how

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water is the lifeblood for our community.

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Council you have made the necessary and bold decisions to secure our water future with

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a tri-river water plant in Sanford and major upgrades to our wastewater treatment capacity.

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And the investment is large, at close to 500 million over the next five years.

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I want to also acknowledge the investment by our utility rate payers as significant as well with a 15% rate increase

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Recommended to fund these critical infrastructure projects. This is the projected last year of increases at that level

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Plan to meet our affordability models.

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Now every year we believe it is important to be transparent and demonstrate the value of providing quality municipal services

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By outlining the total fees and taxes experienced by our residents.

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The table on this slide is to compare existing residential monthly fees for services to

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what is recommended for the upcoming fiscal year.

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As you heard in the video earlier, our garbage recycling provider GFL is increasing monthly

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rates by about 4%, which results in a fee increase of 42 cents for garbage and 17 cents for

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recycling for a total of 59 cents.

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The town's yard waste and storm water services have no change, and for the typical residential

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user we will see an increase on their water and wastewater bill by about $12.98.

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This brings the total monthly increase, the $13.57 or about $0.45 a day.

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Now let's take some of those same user fees but add property taxes to get a full picture

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of what a typical resident will pay over a year and a month or what the daily cost will be.

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This chart shows Holly Springs property taxes for homes assessed at $300,000,

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about 555,000 and 800,000. I want to highlight that we are talking about assessed values from

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Waite County as those can differ from say market or the sale value of a home. The middle

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number of about 555,000 is the median assessed value here in Holly Springs. So in other words,

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50% of Holly Springs homes have been assessed lower and 50% higher. So if you look at this median

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in home valuation, we see a resident wouldn't participate paying about $1,906 in property

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taxes to Holly Springs. I do want to note that this is only the property tax for Holly

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Springs and that way counties property tax rate is of course subject to change in approval

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from their governing body. If we add the user fees covered in the previous slide, garbage,

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recycling, yard waste, water, wastewater, and storm water, this comes out to an annual cost

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a $3,425 or $285 a month. Now, I think it's the daily number that tells the

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story of the value our taxpayers are receiving. Now, if you know our town

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manager, you know his favorite unit of measurement for cost is Chick-fil-A. So

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earlier today, I pulled up my Chick-fil-A app on my phone and for the record, this

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is not a formal endorsement, but this is a true story. I looked up at the cost

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was to order the general chicken sandwich combo, their number one, because $9.58.

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Now I love me some waffle fries just as much as the next guy, but for less than a chick

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filet meal, we will provide roads, sidewalks, greenways, parks, a world-class police and

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fire service, garbage and recycling pickup, yard waste pickup, clean drinking water delivered

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right to your home and not only that but when you're done with it we'll take it back and treat it.

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So as not just an employee of Holly Springs but a resident, I'd say that's a pretty good deal.

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And with that I'll hand it back over to our town manager Mr. Harrington.

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Thank you Mr. Peter-Zone and I guess it has been outlined for where I'm supposed to eat dinner.

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Thank you for that. Mayor council, just to round out the presentation here this evening. I hope that this budget recommendation builds on what is expected and desired in your strategic plan to ensure a winning strategy for our community.

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I think, and hopefully you also see that it provides a balanced approach in advancing every area of your strategic plan. It maintains being one of the safest communities in North Carolina.

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It provides new investments in transportation, helping people to get around town easier.

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It provides investments in staff to ensure that we have a high performing organization,

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and it invests in our public spaces.

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I know Mayor and Council, it's hard to cover everything about the budget in one 35-40-minute

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session.

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And I do look forward to talking about these elements as well as other elements that we

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highlight at your May 22nd budget workshop.

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Now look forward to sharing other elements

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of the budget with you at that time.

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As always, I want to extend a heartfelt thanks

440
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to everybody who's involved in the budget development process

441
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,640
and of course, Mayor and Council, your leadership

442
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,020
and your clarity in direction is greatly valued.

443
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,120
I thank you for your time and your investment

444
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,760
in what you do in serving our community

445
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,500
and providing the type of direction

446
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:30,220
that helps me understand what's most important

447
00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:32,140
and to help them reflect that in the budget.

448
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:34,560
So thank you very much for that engagement

449
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,820
and that help with guidance and leadership.

450
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,160
I also think it's fair to say,

451
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and Mary Council, I thank you realizes too,

452
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,460
that we have a senior leadership team

453
00:46:44,460 --> 00:46:45,720
that is second to none.

454
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It is an outstanding team.

455
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,580
It's a team that I'm honored every day to work with,

456
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and I'm grateful for all the work that they have done

457
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,440
with this budget to help pull it together,

458
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,940
along with our budget staff,

459
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who also play a very important role.

460
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,940
Our assistant manager, Scott Chase,

461
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:03,920
and Daniel Weeks, do a great job helping to guide to the budget process and keeping me

462
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,560
straight when I need to be kept straight and helping me out.

463
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,100
Thank you for their help and guidance and support.

464
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:14,920
I want to thank our human resources director Sabrina McDonnell, who's been extremely helpful with all of our

465
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:19,480
personnel related policy and other adjustments in the budget.

466
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:25,040
Our communications and marketing team, Cassie Hack, Chris Bell, Tamer Ward and Kelly Miller,

467
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,420
who do such a great job.

468
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:35,280
We have a really high-performing team here on our communication side, and I think you saw it in the citizen satisfaction survey from the most recent one back in 2023.

469
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:40,940
And then last but certainly not least, our budget and our finance team.

470
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Thank you to Tina Strup, our finance director, for her great leadership and support in this budget process.

471
00:47:47,820 --> 00:47:50,080
And we have a truly amazing budget team.

472
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:55,500
I think one of the best in the state, if not the best, with Mary Best or our senior budget and management analyst.

473
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,380
and Cory Peterson, a very talented budget innovation

474
00:47:58,380 --> 00:48:00,840
and strategic planning director.

475
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,780
A great team and I'm really honored

476
00:48:02,780 --> 00:48:03,920
to be part of this mayor and council.

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With that, as we look ahead to the next steps,

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on May 20th at 7 p.m. we'll have the budget public hearing

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and that will be here in the council chambers.

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Two days later, on Thursday, May 22nd at 6 p.m.

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in the law enforcement center,

482
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we will have the budget workshop,

483
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which is a chance for us to answer any questions,

484
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,280
to dive in more to elements of the budget,

485
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help answer your questions provide additional clarity and to help in to work to ensure that the

486
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budget meets your expectations. And then on June 3rd, Mayor and Council, if you are ready,

487
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we have a scheduled budget adoption for that evening at 7 p.m. again that will be here in the council

488
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:48,060
chambers. So with that, thank you and Mayor I will turn it back to you and we will take just a

489
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:52,560
couple of moments here to transition to the workshop here on transportation that will follow this

490
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presentation thank you let's you set up and

491
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Mary council I'll do a just a quick

492
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:23,060
introduction here to Becca Gales I think if we're ready if everybody else is ready to be sure

493
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:31,520
I'm really honored tonight that we have Becca Gales with us Becca is the new division can I

494
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:39,280
still say new I guess as of January the new division five NCDOT division five engineer which

495
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,600
which oversees all of the maintenance and capital for the division that you'll see here

496
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,160
in just a little bit, the scope and scale of what Becca is responsible for is really

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quite immense. I'm also really, well, let me add to, Becca has her engineering degree

498
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:03,240
from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, MIT, and most recently, prior to this role,

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she was the Director of Aviation for NCDOT.

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I want to say that, at least in my time, I am some of the most, I would say, encouraged

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00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,620
by Becca and her leadership and in the span of time that I've gotten to know Becca, I've

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00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:24,000
found her to be someone who's willing to listen, somebody who's willing to kind of understand

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00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,620
the challenges that are occurring in our particular area of division five.

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And I'm really quite optimistic that Becca has the type of leadership that division five

505
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,200
I really need to move Division 5 forward.

506
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And they have the right type of partnerships

507
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that all of us want to have with NC DOT.

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So with that, let me go ahead and turn it over

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to Becca Gallus and she'll take us through the first part.

510
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And then we've got Kendra Parrish as well as Chris Hales

511
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who will also cover some components of this presentation.

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So with that, I'll turn it over to Becca.

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And I'm gonna walk around and come back around here.

514
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All right, no pressure there.

515
00:50:58,180 --> 00:51:00,000
All right, good afternoon Mayor.

516
00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:01,160
Mayor Tonke also.

517
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All right, I guess that's my whole slide.

518
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:03,840
It is great to be here.

519
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,020
Thank you, Mr. Harrington and town staff for welcoming me here and for their partnership as well.

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00:51:10,220 --> 00:51:16,020
As Mr. Harrington mentioned, there are some transformational transportation projects in front of us.

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00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:19,180
There's a lot of work to do and as several of you have spoke to me before this meeting.

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And we need to figure out how do we do that successfully in partnership with our communities.

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I'm going to share a little bit about myself and then we'll talk about what Division 5 is and

524
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,260
some of the projects we have coming up.

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But I hope one of the things you take away is that I believe in change in doing better every time,

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00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,540
continue with improvement and centering our transportation system around communities,

527
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:47,040
how people want to move within those communities and making sure that we're responsive to that as a department and as an agency.

528
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,560
So a little bit about me, I started out, I have a very different background from 98% of division engineers.

529
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,060
Typically a division engineer would spend 25 years in the division before moving up the ladder and

530
00:52:00,060 --> 00:52:03,120
and becoming a division engineer towards the end of their career.

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I started out with the department in a unit called State Maintenance Operations.

532
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,880
So we did disaster recovery, snow and ice, and supported statewide maintenance operations across the state.

533
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:17,980
And most specifically spent a lot of time here in Wake County supporting the County Maintenance Engineer

534
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:20,480
through some significant staffing challenges they were having.

535
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,560
So there is one thing about me is that I am not afraid to do the hard work.

536
00:52:24,860 --> 00:52:29,240
So on the left is actually a picture of me in 2013 sweeping capital board.

537
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because that's what it took to do the job that day.

538
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,960
And that's one of my favorite things about working for the department is it is a group

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00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,280
of people who will do what it takes to connect North Carolinians, we'll do what it takes

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00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,960
to do what happened during Haleen when we sent 120 staff out west to help reopen roads.

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That's what makes NCO2 great, that's what makes North Carolina great is when our staff,

542
00:52:50,060 --> 00:52:53,940
when our employees, whenever one comes together to get it done for North Carolina.

543
00:52:53,940 --> 00:53:00,260
I spent a couple years as well as a consultant with throughout North Carolina as well as other

544
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:05,140
states doing roadway design, rail design, and pedestrian infrastructure before coming

545
00:53:05,140 --> 00:53:11,220
back to the department in 2019 to work specifically in the chief engineer's office with statewide

546
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:14,640
highway initiatives and statewide policy work.

547
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,320
I had several other roles before coming to the division of aviation and the reason why

548
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,220
I wanted to highlight that so much today is for two reasons.

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00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:29,020
number one is because airports, we have 72 public use airports in North Carolina, but they are about communities.

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They are either run by the county, municipality, or an airport authority.

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00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:40,900
And my role as the Director of NCDOT's Division of Aviation was to work with those agencies to focus on what their vision is,

552
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,940
and how NCDOT's and the FAs resources could be deployed to best meet that vision.

553
00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:50,740
So one of the highlights of my career and one of my favorite initiatives was a continuous

554
00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:55,800
process improvement work group where we sat down and we worked through pain points in

555
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,900
project delivery because many of these transportation projects needed to happen a year ago, two

556
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:01,460
years ago.

557
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And so recognizing the challenges with our process and how we can all do better and partner

558
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,760
better has been one of the big things that I am a fan of and look forward to partnering

559
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,920
with Randy as well to figure out how do we continue to do better to deliver high quality

560
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:21,380
all the projects and projects that are going to matter for North Carolinians and communities

561
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:22,240
like Holly Springs.

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00:54:23,140 --> 00:54:27,940
The other reason why I wanted to mention aviation is because the number one talking point

563
00:54:27,940 --> 00:54:29,460
about aviation is economic development.

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00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:36,380
North Carolina's airport support $88 billion in economic impact here in North Carolina, which

565
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:38,840
is right around 12% of our gross domestic product.

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So in addition to helping airports build, we also helped with community attraction.

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We helped with workforce development, so in the middle is actually a groundbreaking

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00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,300
for North Carolina's first electric aircraft charger right down the road in

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00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:58,960
Hollywood and in Sanford. That was an economic development project that was

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00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,940
initiated by NCDOT Division of Aviation. We did site development and electrical

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00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:08,740
infrastructure on behalf of that company which is now has over a hundred jobs

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00:55:08,740 --> 00:55:13,120
within the triangle. And then the right picture is Marshall Airspace which is located

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00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:18,760
at Greensboro Airport. That airport, if you ever get the chance to go to it, is an incredible

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00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,180
reflection of economic growth and the potential of transportation infrastructure. They have

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00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:28,600
everything from boom, supersonic, to Honda Jet, to Marshall Aerospace, which is the hangar

576
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,880
we're standing in front today. So although I do not look like your typical division engineer,

577
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:37,580
I think I have a lot of the skills that are going to serve as well as we navigate some of the

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00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:42,080
exciting projects that you all have. It's the exciting visions that you all have for what transportation

579
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:47,120
looks like in your community and how you can drive economic prosperity through transportation infrastructure.

580
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,060
All right, so NCDOT Division 5, what is that?

581
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,540
Right, but it's a number, but it's much more than a number.

582
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:54,780
It's a lot of numbers actually.

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00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:03,140
So NCDOT, I like to brag about NCDOT first because we in North Carolina are home to an incredible transportation ecosystem.

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North Carolina has the second largest ferry system in the country after Washington State.

585
00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:13,900
We have the second largest highway system after Texas, in part because we maintain so

586
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:17,740
many county roads that in other states would be managed locally.

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00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:23,460
We have the fastest growing rail network or rail transportation service that is managed

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00:56:23,460 --> 00:56:29,220
by the rail division, and we have a robust aviation by a pedestrian facility program as well.

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00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,960
To give you a snapshot of how highways is broken up across the state and CDOT division of

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00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,080
Highways is broken up into 14 different regions.

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Every single one of them has different characteristics,

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00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:41,500
different needs.

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00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,820
If you go out to Division I, which is the Northeast region,

594
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:47,580
they do things like they push sand off of their roads,

595
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,680
which is very different from what we do here.

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00:56:50,140 --> 00:56:52,460
If you go out west, you have lots of timber bridges

597
00:56:52,460 --> 00:56:53,720
that have to be replaced,

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00:56:53,860 --> 00:56:56,080
and that is really hard to replace a timber bridge

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00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:56,700
on a mountain road.

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00:56:57,660 --> 00:57:00,560
So what transportation looks like in all of these different regions

601
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,480
is vastly different and very specific to the communities

602
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:15,120
which occupy those regions when we compare ourselves to other regions we typically compare ourselves to ten, which is the Charlotte region and the division that supports that area.

603
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,620
So here in division five as Mr. Harrington mentioned, we are responsible for a lot.

604
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:28,720
Seven counties in total, so everything from here we are in South Wake County, all the way to the Virginia line, so seven counties in total.

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00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,840
Durham and Wake are certainly our most urbanized, but as we move forward we're

606
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,820
starting to see that development push quickly into the Grandville and Franklin

607
00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:40,620
regions as well and starting to see that in the person, Vance and Warren as

608
00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:49,380
well. In total we have about 6,700 road miles in division 5 which becomes 14,000

609
00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:55,600
lane miles. So if you have a two lane road that means you have two lane miles per

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00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:00,240
road mile. If you have a four lane road, four lane miles per road mile to do the math there.

611
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,220
In addition, we have about 500 employees that support the work we do, seven maintenance yards

612
00:58:05,220 --> 00:58:10,160
in just about every county, five construction offices, three district offices which we'll talk about

613
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:16,560
in a second, and many, many more offices to support the sheer amount of infrastructure that we have

614
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:24,880
here in Division 5. So I'm from Delaware, which has only three counties, and so my parents are 70

615
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,860
years old and they are not so engineers or transportation people. And so when I try

616
00:58:29,860 --> 00:58:34,060
to talk to a member of the public, I try, I usually call my mom and I say, hey mom,

617
00:58:34,620 --> 00:58:37,960
let's talk about this project I've coming up and how can I explain it to you in a way

618
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,580
that makes sense. So when I took this role, I called her and I said, hey, I'm going to be a

619
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:46,820
division five engineer and she said, great, what is division five? And what does that mean? And why

620
00:58:46,820 --> 00:58:52,560
do I care? So I went and I pulled division five and compared it to Delaware. So Delaware

621
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:57,260
has 5,400 road miles compared to Division 5's 6,700.

622
00:58:58,180 --> 00:59:01,600
And when I found that out and started to compare what we were doing here versus Delaware,

623
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,320
it got to keep my interest to see what else was happening across the country in terms of states.

624
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:12,300
So when you look at our infrastructure here in the triangle, we are larger than 14 states.

625
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,080
That's an incredible amount of infrastructure here in the triangle.

626
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,240
It's a reflection of our growth, it's a reflection of our population,

627
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:24,520
And it's a reflection of how important transportation infrastructure is here in the triangle region.

628
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:28,840
And so certainly it's something to kind of help wrap your, it's my version of the Chick-fil-A, right?

629
00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:33,560
Something to give you some perspective on what we are responsible for here in the triangle.

630
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:41,540
All right, so wanted to do a high-level diagram of what it takes to do the work that we do.

631
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:48,060
There's a lot of nuance to this, but at a high level, ideas start at the metropolitan planning organization.

632
00:59:48,060 --> 00:59:51,120
and Mr. Harrington mentioned several times Campo.

633
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,340
So we work closely with Campo in the Holly Springs area

634
00:59:54,340 --> 00:59:56,700
to plan the long-range vision

635
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:58,040
for transportation this area.

636
00:59:58,560 --> 00:59:59,980
Campo is currently working on their-

637
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,800
2050 metropolitan transportation plan and we look forward to seeing the results of that as they work through different scenarios and different investment models to see what the future of transportation will look like here. We take those metropolitan transportation plans and working with Campo, then work them through different funding programs. So the largest one we have is called the state transportation improvement program or the stip, which is our 10-year program for capital projects. It's a multi-billion dollar program that covers

638
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,320
You know all from east to west and covers all the modes as well

639
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,420
So it looks at not just highways, but also rail aviation bike pad and ferry

640
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,240
So that is a complicating large document

641
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,780
But that is how a lot of our work gets done as a step and we will talk about that a little bit more later

642
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:51,880
After a program or a project has been identified for funding it'll enter the project development phase

643
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:58,400
Which is where it comes into our hands is at that point so we start getting involved with the project after it has funding

644
01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:03,480
We then deliver that project all the way to construction and then maintenance and operations

645
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,100
and at some point that feeds back into the long-range plans.

646
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,680
So eventually the congestion that happens while we're maintaining and operating the deterioration

647
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,780
of that infrastructure and some of the other challenges we see that feed into that long-range

648
01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:16,040
plan.

649
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,000
So it's really a cycle.

650
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,880
It's not a crater of the grave.

651
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:23,760
It's a continuous process of monitoring, maintaining and operating our transportation

652
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,080
infrastructure here in the triangle.

653
01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:27,500
All right.

654
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:32,900
But so one of the things I was talking about with Mr. Harrington is one of the top reasons

655
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:37,180
why I get emails or calls is because there is a lack of understanding or transparency

656
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:40,080
about what the department does, who to call.

657
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,580
It's a big organization that can be really intimidating for constituents in the general public

658
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:49,300
to understand what we do, how we can help, and how best to leverage our resources.

659
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,800
So this next section here is to kind of provide you an overview of what some of our offices do.

660
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,980
do, you may not be aware of some of these programs that we offer to for your awareness,

661
01:01:59,340 --> 01:02:04,060
but also so you know who to call when things come up like you have a pothole or sinkhole

662
01:02:04,060 --> 01:02:08,100
or drainage problems, I want to make sure that you know where some of our resources are

663
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:11,300
located, as well as some of our visions for some of those specific offices.

664
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:13,460
So I'm going to start with maintenance.

665
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,640
We actually have two weight county maintenance yards.

666
01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:22,060
The one that is over Holly Springs is called the Western Weight County Maintenance Office.

667
01:02:22,060 --> 01:02:28,240
this. It is located currently on right next to the fairgrounds. What is really exciting

668
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:33,440
right now is that we just were approved earlier this year for a third Wake County maintenance

669
01:02:34,340 --> 01:02:39,160
office. And that will be focused specifically on South Wake County. So that will have the

670
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:45,320
most significant impact on you all and Fuqua as you have a dedicated office who will be responsible

671
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,980
for this area specifically. So that's an exciting thing that I'm happy to share with you all

672
01:02:48,980 --> 01:02:53,260
the day, so we look forward to sharing that contact as is available and letting you know

673
01:02:53,260 --> 01:02:56,180
how we're going to do business with that third-weight county maintenance office.

674
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:01,080
So some typical reasons to contact our weight county maintenance engineer is for potholes

675
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:06,880
and pavement conditions, drainage problems, so if you see water on the road or if you see

676
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,820
you hear from a constituent about water going from the road onto property as another common

677
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:17,380
one we hear, damage to signs, roadside hazards and debris, and then inclement weather.

678
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,300
Now, I will mention here that one of the big topics that we talk a lot about is litter,

679
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,100
and I'm sure that's one that you have heard consistently as well.

680
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,360
In Wake County, we spend every year about $2 million on litter pickup.

681
01:03:30,660 --> 01:03:32,620
We have two cleanup cycles a month.

682
01:03:33,340 --> 01:03:35,800
In addition, we can also do spot cleanup of litter.

683
01:03:36,060 --> 01:03:40,840
So if you do see something where it has gotten particularly egregious related to litter,

684
01:03:41,020 --> 01:03:44,640
please do give us a call, because we do have a contract that we can use to do an emergency

685
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:51,160
clean up to address really difficult sections of litter, but we know that it's one that

686
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,640
you all feel because of the location and proximity as well to the landfill in this area.

687
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,400
So it's certainly something that we are happy to help with, but it is a challenge because

688
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,200
it does take up a significant amount of our financial resources.

689
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,520
Next up is our Division Traffic Office.

690
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:12,100
So these are the folks who do everything from stock signs to those big interstate signs

691
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:16,660
that you see overhead, to signals, striping, and different type of reviews.

692
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:22,680
A frequent reason why you might call a division traffic engineer is if you have a constituent

693
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,720
who says, man, this intersection is really unsafe, I think we should put a stop sign here

694
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:31,120
or signal here. That's one of the number one things that I get emails about from elected officials

695
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:36,300
is to do things like safety reviews. So if that's something that you get a request for, you

696
01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:39,980
can send it to myself for the division traffic office and they will be happy to do a study

697
01:04:39,980 --> 01:04:42,440
to see if there is a treatment warranted.

698
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,320
So we can either look at safety, speed,

699
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,900
and a variety of other concerns that you might have

700
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:48,740
with specific locations along the corridor

701
01:04:48,740 --> 01:04:51,400
to look at both short-term and long-term improvements.

702
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:55,370
Next, we have our weight district.

703
01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:58,970
So this is the office that works very closely

704
01:04:58,970 --> 01:05:01,910
with the town on some of those locally administered projects

705
01:05:01,910 --> 01:05:04,670
that Mr. Harrington shared about as well as developers.

706
01:05:05,390 --> 01:05:08,070
So they work with developers and municipalities

707
01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:20,470
priorities to do things like driveway permits, encroachment, which is basically if you want to put something in our right away, you have to go ask the district office for commission to do sorts to sell as well they work on other development items.

708
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:30,910
This district office is the busiest district office in the state period by a significant margin is significantly bigger than the number two, which is the Charlotte district office.

709
01:05:31,650 --> 01:05:47,170
We are currently working on a restructuring and reorganization of that unit to provide additional resources because we have heard consistent feedback from our municipalities and our developers that the turnaround time is unacceptable and is slowing down projects.

710
01:05:47,490 --> 01:05:55,410
So we are currently in the process of working through both technical resources as well as people resources to get the job done because we know that's really important.

711
01:05:55,410 --> 01:06:00,710
And certainly does something we've been speaking with Mr. Harrington as well, is how do we work

712
01:06:00,710 --> 01:06:05,030
with this office and the resources we have to do better every time we get a project

713
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:05,670
through this office.

714
01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:11,040
Second to last is our resident engineer.

715
01:06:11,540 --> 01:06:16,540
So for instance, with our favorite Holly Springs signal project, our resident engineer's

716
01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:19,800
office is the people who are administering construction projects.

717
01:06:20,620 --> 01:06:25,780
I don't have a specific name on the slide because the resident engineer depends on the project.

718
01:06:26,580 --> 01:06:33,600
They're actually three residence engineer offices alone in Wake County and they work on a variety of projects across the county and are very busy.

719
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:39,560
So later where I talk about specific projects, where possible I indicated who was responsible for that.

720
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,700
But they see the life cycle of a construction project from letting all the way through project clothes out as well.

721
01:06:46,220 --> 01:06:52,400
So they would be someone that you would contact if you have a question about the status or issues with contractors on an NCDOT construction project.

722
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,820
Then lastly, there's me in our division office, which is much more than just me.

723
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:01,440
We have a robust staff in our division office, which is located in Durham.

724
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,260
So things that you would typically call me for, email me for is if you just don't know

725
01:07:06,260 --> 01:07:06,800
who to contact.

726
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:07,660
That's a frequent one.

727
01:07:08,060 --> 01:07:12,940
And I have absolutely no problem helping facilitate getting you to the right spot and also

728
01:07:12,940 --> 01:07:13,700
escalating issues.

729
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:16,100
So for some reason, you all are seeing delays.

730
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:21,320
If you all feel like you're not getting the appropriate, correct, accurate quality answer

731
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,340
that you're expecting, that is something that we would like to hear about at the district

732
01:07:24,340 --> 01:07:27,620
office so we can address it and have a conversation with you all.

733
01:07:30,740 --> 01:07:33,420
Next up, we're going to cover active and upcoming projects.

734
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:37,020
So we talked about the STIP very briefly.

735
01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:41,560
This is a picture of what the current draft 2026 to 2035 STIP looks like.

736
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:43,380
It's a heck of a lot of projects, right?

737
01:07:43,540 --> 01:07:45,660
That's billions of dollars of projects on a map.

738
01:07:46,940 --> 01:07:50,380
Wanted to talk about one of the things that Randy showed earlier that I thought was really

739
01:07:50,380 --> 01:07:54,780
interesting was they showed the consumer price index, which I think was 24% over 5 years.

740
01:07:55,660 --> 01:08:01,460
My slide over here shows the National Highway Construction Cost Index, which looks, is

741
01:08:01,460 --> 01:08:05,720
produced by the Federal Highway Administration and looks nationwide at the cost to deliver

742
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,800
highway projects in construction.

743
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:15,060
In just the last three years, we've had a 67% increase in the cost to deliver highway projects,

744
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,360
which far outpaces the consumer price index.

745
01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:21,620
When you hear some of the language around the stip for those of you who are on the camp

746
01:08:21,620 --> 01:08:23,860
aboard, this has been a significant challenge.

747
01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:30,180
We did not get any new projects at the division tier this year in the stip because of the

748
01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:33,220
significant escalation of prices across the state.

749
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:39,740
We did receive a few at the regional tier, which is a tier above that, but overall the division

750
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:44,600
tier where a lot of our secondary road projects and local road projects get funded did not see

751
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,340
additional projects, because of construction costing for you, so just something to kind

752
01:08:49,340 --> 01:08:53,820
of frame, we've had to have a lot of hard conversations with municipalities about this,

753
01:08:54,260 --> 01:08:59,940
because we want to deliver projects, right? But as these projects, you create the best estimate

754
01:08:59,940 --> 01:09:05,080
you can, but you can't predict 67% inflation over three years, right? And what that looks like

755
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,900
for the future is something that, you know, will continue to make an educated guess at what

756
01:09:08,900 --> 01:09:14,180
inflation factors we should apply, but this challenge, right? So something that we're going to continue

757
01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:18,420
to work on and work on great estimates and work with our partners to contain costs and

758
01:09:18,420 --> 01:09:22,800
scope projects appropriately. But definitely it's been a challenge as we think about delivering

759
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:28,600
this suite of projects that we have across the triangle. All right, so the first one is the

760
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:34,840
one that's almost done. So complete 540. This project is just about wrapped up, it'll wrap

761
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:40,720
up early this summer. This is one important thing to note about term-pike projects like complete 540

762
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,720
is that the division does not actually administer the projects,

763
01:09:44,940 --> 01:09:47,200
nor do we do maintenance or operation of those projects.

764
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,340
So for anything involving the term pike,

765
01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:51,560
Alan Shapiro, who's the contact on the slide,

766
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,400
would be the best person to speak about for that.

767
01:09:53,900 --> 01:09:55,500
We are also happy to make that connection.

768
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,340
For complete 540, they are working on the final punch list

769
01:09:59,340 --> 01:10:00,960
of items that are being completed

770
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,660
and it is anticipated early in the summer to wrap up as well.

771
01:10:04,140 --> 01:10:06,280
So certainly that will be exciting to have that one done,

772
01:10:06,660 --> 01:10:07,820
and all the cones out of the road

773
01:10:07,820 --> 01:10:09,920
and the contractor to go home as well.

774
01:10:11,900 --> 01:10:15,460
Next up is a hot topic which is the economic development projects in this area.

775
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,660
So you have two really great economic development projects.

776
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:21,700
The first one being Fujifilm with the access road.

777
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,920
And the second one being Amgen with the improvements to the U.S.1 New Hill,

778
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,940
Holman Road Interchange.

779
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,740
Speaking about the Fujifilm one first.

780
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:35,020
So as you all are aware, we're working on the project to construct the access road

781
01:10:35,020 --> 01:10:39,000
an associated intersection improvements for that project.

782
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:45,100
That is currently scheduled to be let to contract next month, so early June 2025.

783
01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:50,180
And then once it is let, it will be available to the contractor in July to begin work.

784
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:57,040
So we are working on that as quickly as we can, but there is, things are looking good from

785
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:57,700
a letting perspective.

786
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,980
We feel very confident about meeting that milestone, but still some things to be worked out with

787
01:11:01,980 --> 01:11:05,740
the town on some of the incentives associated with that as well.

788
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:10,560
The next one is the AMGEN, which is the improvements in the intersection.

789
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,560
One thing important to note about both of these is that they were $10 million economic

790
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,560
development projects fund into the stip.

791
01:11:18,620 --> 01:11:22,760
So once the $10 million runs out, we only have that amount and we have to do what we can

792
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,200
with that amount.

793
01:11:23,740 --> 01:11:29,020
So AMGEN, there's a list of three different items that would be addressed through that project

794
01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:32,100
and we're working down from number one priority to number three priority.

795
01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:37,140
I think we're going to end up getting down to number two and number three might have to be covered by the developer.

796
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:47,500
But we're working in partnership with the town as well as Amgen to work through those improvements with the goal of letting that in next summer in summer 2026.

797
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,900
We're currently working through the right-of-way plans for that project as well.

798
01:11:53,540 --> 01:11:56,560
All right, the next topic to talk about is resurfacing projects.

799
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:04,200
So resurfacing is effectively maintenance, but they are very impactful potentially to the general public while you do them.

800
01:12:04,820 --> 01:12:12,960
A resurfacing project means that you go out there, you do something called milling, which means you remove the top layer of asphalt down to below the deficiencies and the cracking.

801
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,540
And then you replace that with a fresh top layer of asphalt.

802
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:23,480
So, generally, it's a maintenance project, but one of the great tools in a municipality's

803
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:28,480
toolbox is thinking about how do we restrict that road, what other things can we incorporate

804
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:33,600
into that resurfacing project, whether it be ADA, curb ramps, or other features to accomplish

805
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,240
some of the projects and some of the visions that you all have for those assets.

806
01:12:38,260 --> 01:12:44,240
So, some big ones coming up, U.S. 1 is scheduled to be resurfaced this year and next year.

807
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:49,240
It was just that in January 2025, and we anticipate the contractor should begin on that shortly.

808
01:12:50,260 --> 01:12:56,280
The next one is the Sunset Lake Neighborhood, which is that dark brown in the bottom right

809
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:56,840
hand corner.

810
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,640
It is also scheduled to be resurfacing in 27.

811
01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:07,400
Holly Springs New Hill Road is scheduled for 2028, and then NC 55, which is a significant

812
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:12,640
quarter in your community is scheduled for resurfacing in 2029, and that's one as we approach

813
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,220
and start to work on the development of those plans.

814
01:13:15,220 --> 01:13:17,180
We'll certainly have to work closely with the town

815
01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:19,900
to make sure we're coordinating all the different projects

816
01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:20,620
that are going on.

817
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,600
I heard quite a few projects that are gonna be underway

818
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:24,620
during that time frame,

819
01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:27,540
so making sure we're doing our best to coordinate the projects

820
01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:30,060
to minimize the disruption to the general public

821
01:13:30,430 --> 01:13:32,580
and to create a really great transportation facility

822
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:34,400
here in Holly Springs.

823
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,000
And lastly, before I take questions and turn it over,

824
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:45,580
Our next speaker is to talk about our signal project on the NC 55 quarter.

825
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:52,940
I think the first thing to frame this project is that this is a bar setting project.

826
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,700
This is an innovative, transformative signal project.

827
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:02,580
There have been significant challenges, as you all know, as you all have received comments

828
01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:07,200
from constituents about how this project has been implemented and they impact the general

829
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:07,660
public.

830
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:19,040
That's something that we're going to continue to work with the town to figure out how do we continue to do better and how do we continue to contain those delays, as we move forward.

831
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:30,280
But one of the big challenges with the signal project is that the general public, if you do a traditional construction project, they see laying closures, right, and they see you doing work on the shoulder.

832
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,740
But with signal projects, they're still an iterative project, process involving electrical,

833
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:40,600
software, all sorts of things that the general public might not see, but still has impacts

834
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,300
as you implement them along that corridor.

835
01:14:43,700 --> 01:14:46,940
So certainly something that we've been talking with the town about, how do we manage expectations?

836
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:52,200
How do we communicate as we do continue to do signal projects with the town?

837
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:59,080
And what are some of those key lessons learned from administering this contract as well as

838
01:14:59,080 --> 01:14:59,900
Um, class.

839
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:16,340
Operating as an agency and as a group. So this project is currently working through the fiber installation along that quarter with some final work to be complete after the fiber installation is done with anticipated completion in our early summer of 2025 as well.

840
01:15:18,610 --> 01:15:31,230
All right. So before I turn over next speaker Mayor and town council would look to take any questions or comments that you have about transportation. First we appreciate the update and the information. I'm sure there's probably a couple questions.

841
01:15:31,230 --> 01:15:32,810
questions that are becoming your way?

842
01:15:33,010 --> 01:15:33,410
Absolutely.

843
01:15:33,970 --> 01:15:34,130
Okay.

844
01:15:34,810 --> 01:15:35,690
Anybody want to jump in?

845
01:15:38,140 --> 01:15:40,740
What about the bridge replacement on

846
01:15:40,740 --> 01:15:43,100
Old Holly Springs Apex room?

847
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,770
Do you have a date on that one?

848
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:49,010
I can pull it up on my computer afterwards

849
01:15:49,010 --> 01:15:50,510
and correct it to you after the meeting sever.

850
01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:51,550
Okay, thank you.

851
01:15:56,440 --> 01:15:57,040
Anybody else?

852
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:58,520
Mr. Mayor.

853
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:00,820
So, if you don't mind, can I ask one

854
01:16:00,820 --> 01:16:01,680
and just clarify a question?

855
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:03,280
And thank you, Ms. Gales.

856
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,080
Again, you tell something that I was

857
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:06,980
really encouraged by.

858
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:09,700
I just want to make sure that we have the right clarity on it.

859
01:16:10,260 --> 01:16:18,740
With the southern access road on the contract being let in June of 2025, we had recently received an email from

860
01:16:18,740 --> 01:16:24,340
another staff member saying that it wouldn't start until the end of this year and not be completed until September of 27.

861
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:26,560
Sorry, September of 26.

862
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:32,960
That's a later, so there are several phases of the project that is one of the later components that would be completed.

863
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:40,580
Did the substantial completion and the sub-base would be completed by this winter of 2025-2026

864
01:16:40,580 --> 01:16:44,880
with additional work to be done in the remainder of 2026.

865
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,840
But happy to provide that update and make sure that schedule and timeline is clear to you all.

866
01:16:50,540 --> 01:16:55,720
So if I understand currently the second phase and being basically the top layer asphalt,

867
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:56,640
I said what you're talking about.

868
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:03,220
And do you believe that it will be complete in 18 months because I believe that was the

869
01:17:03,220 --> 01:17:04,500
initial projection we got?

870
01:17:05,580 --> 01:17:07,840
I think that's probably reasonable for that work.

871
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:12,540
We certainly, I would suspect it could be completed sooner depending on the weather,

872
01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:15,680
but certainly weather is going to factor into that because a lot of that initial construction

873
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,940
is getting into the winter months, so that's always a question whether we have a dry winter

874
01:17:19,940 --> 01:17:20,540
or wet winter.

875
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,780
So I think 18 months gives you sufficient time to finish the contract, but certainly

876
01:17:24,780 --> 01:17:29,820
would love to provide that update to the town with the schedule as well as the anticipated

877
01:17:29,820 --> 01:17:31,440
completion within that contract.

878
01:17:32,860 --> 01:17:36,120
We're not anticipating additional burden on the town.

879
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:36,820
Is that still correct?

880
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:37,740
That's still correct.

881
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:38,220
Yeah.

882
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:41,320
The questions?

883
01:17:41,740 --> 01:17:46,600
As you have multiple projects, one of those is important is we're very active because we're

884
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,180
reactive to what we hear from constituents.

885
01:17:49,820 --> 01:17:54,220
Is there a way that we can get ahead of some of these things?

886
01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:58,060
like when you see things their way to contact us we ask the same thing in

887
01:17:58,060 --> 01:18:02,380
Campo and they started giving us a little bit of information but the best

888
01:18:02,380 --> 01:18:06,620
example was they were finishing 540 and at a Campo meeting they said hey we're

889
01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:10,600
closing this tonight we were like this would have been a little bit nicer to know

890
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,520
a week in advance so we can let the town know is there a way that we can get

891
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:20,700
that information so that maybe from us or from the town we can get that

892
01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:25,020
information out quicker. Yeah, that's actually something we have heard consistently from

893
01:18:25,020 --> 01:18:29,900
municipalities is a desire to understand their project, the status, some of those key

894
01:18:29,900 --> 01:18:33,980
milestones that are going to impact the traveling public. So we've been talking about, you know,

895
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:39,320
standardized monthly reporting and then also training our construction staff to when they see those

896
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,680
impactful moments, making sure that they're communicating and know who they're communicating in

897
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:47,680
the appropriate contact and working with our communications as well. So work to be done, I think,

898
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,600
great feedback but that is something that I'm passionate about too is being

899
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,740
transparent with the public about the impact of the work that we do so certainly

900
01:18:55,740 --> 01:18:58,980
something that I look forward to working with the town to address and make sure

901
01:18:58,980 --> 01:19:02,300
that you all have the resources to be successful in that space as well and support

902
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:03,720
us in that. Thank you. Yeah.

903
01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:08,890
You should have an additional light on

904
01:19:08,890 --> 01:19:13,910
event fairer road. I mean we we hear about a puppy of I would say of all the roads

905
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:17,870
here recently that would be one that we we listen to the most about three schools

906
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:24,990
there, middle elementary and high school, anything that I guess 29 is when construction is

907
01:19:24,990 --> 01:19:30,870
supposed to start, anything that would delay that, I know we've had changes coming forward

908
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:33,970
and back, and I know we're under development phase or design phase, excuse me.

909
01:19:36,030 --> 01:19:43,210
So I think from a delay perspective, there's no crystal bar up, but there is confidence in

910
01:19:43,210 --> 01:19:50,550
in that program that is funding that certainly containing the cost of scope is going to be a big part of making sure that you can deliver that in 2029.

911
01:19:51,150 --> 01:20:09,310
I think there's probably some short term things that we can work with the town on particularly looking at we have a school group within our traffic unit centrally that can look at some of those things and see if there's any improvements needed if schools are part of that driving of the congestion in that area so there could be we could do an analysis of that if that's something that town would like to pursue.

912
01:20:10,170 --> 01:20:17,210
because there is some funding available there as well to work with schools to deliver some of those transportation items.

913
01:20:17,650 --> 01:20:22,950
So that's definitely one of the short-term things, but have it have more of a conversation about some of our resources.

914
01:20:23,250 --> 01:20:28,370
You kind of led to the next question, which is a brand new piece that's coming, the witch project,

915
01:20:28,610 --> 01:20:34,730
and they're responsible for the interchange from capstone onto cashhole, which is a big deal,

916
01:20:34,730 --> 01:20:38,490
know, especially for the majority of those regents and parents who walk their kids' school

917
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:39,630
or ride bike.

918
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:43,870
It would be awesome if there's some way that we'd be able to coordinate the two.

919
01:20:44,010 --> 01:20:47,290
We're going to do, turn up the roadways to get them in.

920
01:20:47,450 --> 01:20:48,990
They're part of the job, so they would read upon.

921
01:20:50,190 --> 01:20:53,130
Then we're going to go back and do it again three years later, two years later, whatever

922
01:20:53,130 --> 01:20:55,030
the date is and tear it back up again.

923
01:20:57,970 --> 01:21:01,410
So I guess when you said the school thing, I hope that maybe we could take a peek at that.

924
01:21:01,410 --> 01:21:04,250
and see if there is something we could do to, I guess,

925
01:21:04,750 --> 01:21:06,690
energize it to bring it a little bit forward

926
01:21:06,690 --> 01:21:08,650
because just on that section,

927
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:10,590
you've got the middle school and the elementary school

928
01:21:10,590 --> 01:21:12,550
right on that front edge.

929
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:13,090
We

930
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:21,670
can definitely take a look at it and make it do a site,

931
01:21:21,810 --> 01:21:23,310
but how about our staff do a site visit with it

932
01:21:23,310 --> 01:21:24,730
in partnership with the town as well

933
01:21:24,730 --> 01:21:26,630
to look at some of those peak hour congestion

934
01:21:27,190 --> 01:21:27,910
influence factors.

935
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:30,530
Hey, Glouielsen?

936
01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:32,210
I do thank you for coming out.

937
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:34,430
I don't remember any of your predecessors

938
01:21:35,070 --> 01:21:36,290
coming to a meeting before.

939
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:49,290
I'm glad you showed this slide on the resurfacing, just now I know that I'll need to sell my house before 2029, when 55 gets repaved, because it barely functions as a two-lane road each way, let alone going down to one lane and trying to resurface it.

940
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:52,730
That's going to be like the apocalypse, I feel like.

941
01:21:54,330 --> 01:22:05,010
I think our residents are losing patients with some of the issues that we're having on the roads, and we're bearing a lot of that weight of the complaints and the public hanging for that.

942
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:07,810
And it's frankly getting a little old.

943
01:22:08,370 --> 01:22:13,750
So like on 55, you go 5 feet in 2012, we were sold this bill of goods on super streets,

944
01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:18,010
put all these lights in, and it's turned to bypass into a parking lot.

945
01:22:18,130 --> 01:22:23,930
Go 5 feet stop, go 5 feet stop, go 5 feet stop all day, and in the morning rush and the PM rush.

946
01:22:24,650 --> 01:22:28,170
And I just don't understand why we can't make that any better.

947
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:32,970
We've had all the issues with the signals, we've finally got the controllers back into the right place.

948
01:22:32,970 --> 01:22:35,570
I drive it multiple times a week to get the RTP.

949
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:41,330
It takes 20 to 25 minutes to get from my house to 540, and it's just getting worse and

950
01:22:41,330 --> 01:22:47,950
worse every day with the volumes, people from Harnet County, from Fuqua, stuff that we're

951
01:22:47,950 --> 01:22:52,250
not really accountable for, but it's getting harder and harder to give our residents answers

952
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:54,770
on why things are getting worse and why nothing's changing.

953
01:22:55,310 --> 01:22:59,830
Do you have any feedback on how we can respond to some of those questions or complaints or issues

954
01:22:59,830 --> 01:23:01,690
that we're constantly being berated about?

955
01:23:01,690 --> 01:23:02,550
Yeah, absolutely.

956
01:23:03,010 --> 01:23:07,810
So a couple of thoughts, there's probably a lot that we could talk about there.

957
01:23:08,130 --> 01:23:12,250
So, you know, when you talk about 55, that's something that we're seeing across the state

958
01:23:12,250 --> 01:23:16,130
is hard conversations when we don't have funding for projects that are clearly needed, right?

959
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:20,670
We know we have our needs, fire out, pace, the resources that we have to do it.

960
01:23:21,090 --> 01:23:24,610
So it is not an easy conversation to have that with the constituency.

961
01:23:25,470 --> 01:23:31,350
That is certainly something that I would like that we are partners in having that conversation

962
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:36,550
because it is a hard conversation and it is our road so certainly would be happy for you all to

963
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:42,210
direct some of that to us as well because we have the resources to address that but it's a

964
01:23:42,210 --> 01:23:48,390
challenging conversation we're spot on. We are constantly having to make hard decisions about

965
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:53,750
what to fund, what not to fund from everything from our smallest signal projects and sidewalk projects

966
01:23:53,750 --> 01:24:00,490
and things like that all the way up to our big step multi-million dollar projects, right? Our dollar

967
01:24:00,490 --> 01:24:03,190
is worth a lot less than it was even 10 years ago.

968
01:24:04,150 --> 01:24:06,510
And that is hard to explain to someone who has a sit in traffic

969
01:24:06,510 --> 01:24:11,570
and understands the time, the value of their time.

970
01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:13,510
What is the value of our public's time

971
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:14,430
with these sit in traffic?

972
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:18,570
So no great solution, but certainly

973
01:24:18,570 --> 01:24:20,550
want to help be a partner in having

974
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:22,170
those conversations with your communities.

975
01:24:22,890 --> 01:24:25,530
Also thinking about things like, if discretionary grain

976
01:24:25,530 --> 01:24:28,570
opportunities come up, how do we create shelf-ready projects

977
01:24:28,570 --> 01:24:34,530
for those, for 55 and other things, there's some really great funding opportunities out there at the federal level

978
01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:40,270
and at other levels, how can we leverage that as well to do some creative work, kind of like your,

979
01:24:40,450 --> 01:24:45,950
I love hearing about your micro transit project, right, like a great example of innovation in the transportation system,

980
01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:50,350
so certainly look forward to working with you on some of those, but it is challenging.

981
01:24:50,670 --> 01:24:53,870
There's a lot on, and it's something that we feel as well, and we have those conversations too.

982
01:24:53,870 --> 01:24:58,230
How often do we look at the programs on the lights and the synchronization of them going

983
01:24:58,230 --> 01:24:59,770
up and down the bypass?

984
01:25:00,490 --> 01:25:00,810
Currently.

985
01:25:01,290 --> 01:25:05,190
So one of the great things about this project is that once it is implemented you'll

986
01:25:05,190 --> 01:25:10,570
be able to do it continuously from an office and make live changes on the fly based upon

987
01:25:10,570 --> 01:25:13,110
congestion and the reality of the situation and what's going on.

988
01:25:13,530 --> 01:25:18,190
So once this project is complete it is going to transform the way we manage traffic along

989
01:25:18,190 --> 01:25:18,810
that corridor.

990
01:25:18,810 --> 01:25:24,290
right now, it is largely based upon communicate. We rely on our partnership with the town,

991
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:28,790
so for instance when we were seeing in the last several weeks issues with specific

992
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:33,830
intersection, the town staff would let us know and then we would go out and do the re-programming

993
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:41,650
or work with the contractor to make adjustments. So right now it is a very manual as needed function

994
01:25:41,650 --> 01:25:46,310
because we do have so many intersections, but certainly once that is implemented and completed,

995
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:50,630
it will be much simpler to monitor that and manage it on the fly as we go.

996
01:25:51,330 --> 01:25:56,850
Is there a dedicated person that will be doing that from like the DOT office or is that something that we're going to have to fund later on?

997
01:25:56,930 --> 01:26:00,630
So we have a what's called the TMC, our Transportation Management Center.

998
01:26:00,850 --> 01:26:08,510
It's located right over by the fair grants by many of our offices where we work on and we monitor triangle transportation.

999
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:21,510
So it monitors everything from the cameras to all the other ITS type infrastructure in the triangle, so that is something that would be part of the traffic management center's responsibility.

1000
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:24,770
So part of the existing group out there, which is a fantastic job.

1001
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:37,290
Does they do things like deploying our IMAP drivers, working on some of the variable message boards, working on all the other smart stuff that we have here in the triangle to make sure we're being responsive when an incident accident occurs.

1002
01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:38,310
I

1003
01:26:41,670 --> 01:26:44,470
have a couple more questions up here down there.

1004
01:26:46,710 --> 01:26:52,630
The light on Lockley and Sunset Lake, if we could get an update on that as well.

1005
01:26:54,450 --> 01:27:00,510
And then just a question about the increase in the construction cost index, is that exclusive

1006
01:27:00,510 --> 01:27:01,350
to North Carolina?

1007
01:27:02,090 --> 01:27:02,530
Or is that enough?

1008
01:27:02,530 --> 01:27:03,370
That's nationwide.

1009
01:27:03,730 --> 01:27:06,990
But looking at our specifically, it's a very similar threat.

1010
01:27:07,850 --> 01:27:08,530
Okay.

1011
01:27:08,530 --> 01:27:19,210
And did you answer his question about how often the traffic lights are being assessed or are we confident that we are back to where we were?

1012
01:27:20,610 --> 01:27:27,830
I look forward to the town responding that as well. So we have a resident engineer's office who is out there managing the contract.

1013
01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:36,430
So there is DOT staff present along the corridor on a regular basis to manage that and as well as relying on the town to inform us

1014
01:27:36,970 --> 01:27:38,870
when they are seeing some of those issues too.

1015
01:27:39,150 --> 01:27:43,030
And I'm not being a picker here, but what do you mean

1016
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:44,150
by a regular basis?

1017
01:27:44,650 --> 01:27:47,290
So I mean, it depends on what is happening along that quarter

1018
01:27:47,290 --> 01:27:49,510
and what phase of work the contractor is.

1019
01:27:49,670 --> 01:27:52,650
And so it may be daily depending on what is happening out there.

1020
01:27:52,830 --> 01:27:55,430
It may be two or three days before they go out there.

1021
01:27:55,650 --> 01:27:57,810
It just depends on what phase of work the contractors in.

1022
01:28:00,770 --> 01:28:01,470
One last question.

1023
01:28:01,730 --> 01:28:02,670
Everything takes a long time.

1024
01:28:03,250 --> 01:28:03,370
Yep.

1025
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:05,290
Is there any way to speed things up?

1026
01:28:05,390 --> 01:28:06,550
Because here's what my question.

1027
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:10,950
And I was saying this to Dan a moment ago, we're talking about even fair and it's a hot

1028
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:11,350
button.

1029
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:17,310
And if we say, hey, we're looking at, you know, prioritizing that, but we're not going

1030
01:28:17,310 --> 01:28:19,490
to start working until 2029.

1031
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:30,350
So that means that's probably not done until 2035, maybe, over exaggerating a little bit.

1032
01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:35,470
And so one of the things that we are really, we've all been asking about it and even, may

1033
01:28:35,470 --> 01:28:45,350
I'm talking a little bit about it yesterday was an interest on the root one out by Amgen and even if we were to get that approved, we're still talking 15 years potentially.

1034
01:28:45,950 --> 01:28:48,610
Is there a way to speed those processes up?

1035
01:28:48,990 --> 01:28:56,410
That's a great question. So, if funding is available, right, so let's take that as an if, right, because that's one of the biggest challenges is funding.

1036
01:28:56,530 --> 01:29:02,970
What's funding is available? Some of the biggest uncertainty and risk is associated with right away utilities.

1037
01:29:02,970 --> 01:29:08,450
So right now we've been looking at different ways to contract and manage right-of-way

1038
01:29:08,450 --> 01:29:08,730
utilities.

1039
01:29:08,730 --> 01:29:13,390
So we're looking at this on the 64-project, on our capital Boulevard project as well,

1040
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:18,650
which is how do we enter into right-of-way utilities earlier in the design phase?

1041
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:24,450
How do we look at the parcels for risk associated with them so that we can do early acquisition

1042
01:29:24,450 --> 01:29:27,610
when applicable and when it's appropriate for the project?

1043
01:29:27,610 --> 01:29:32,970
So, that's one of the ones where we're seeing a lot of delays because right away is really

1044
01:29:32,970 --> 01:29:33,970
complicated in the triangle.

1045
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:38,370
So, there's a lot of delays associated with those two, so making sure that we're starting

1046
01:29:38,370 --> 01:29:42,150
them earlier in the face in the project that we typically would as well as making sure that

1047
01:29:42,150 --> 01:29:46,110
we have sufficient dedicated resources to get us across the line on those.

1048
01:29:47,630 --> 01:29:53,590
The other thing to think about is we also turn to delivery something that we're looking at

1049
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:55,410
and we're seeing a lot of other divisions look at.

1050
01:29:55,410 --> 01:29:59,110
So design build was very popular for a while.

1051
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,760
Starting to see other types like construction, manager, general contractor, CMGC, and also progressive design build. So that's one where we are starting to move towards those and are being piloted across the state because to your point projects are much more complex, particularly here in the triangle. And so getting contractor involved earlier in the process is important to the success of it as well. You don't want to find out that you had a design problem. You don't know about all the way down the road, particularly on some of these big projects. And so looking at alternative delivery methods and evaluating

1052
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,660
awaiting them for different types of projects is going to be really important for moving

1053
01:30:33,660 --> 01:30:36,240
forward, particularly on things like economic development projects.

1054
01:30:37,060 --> 01:30:42,100
So like one of the examples, we, I spoke about very briefly, is the Greensboro Airport,

1055
01:30:42,460 --> 01:30:47,660
they did an interchange there for boom supersonic and they delivered it in 12 months and how they

1056
01:30:47,660 --> 01:30:49,760
delivered it was through alternative delivery, right.

1057
01:30:50,180 --> 01:30:55,180
So how can we use alternative delivery and contractor incentives to move those projects along

1058
01:30:55,180 --> 01:30:56,600
in an efficient and effective way.

1059
01:30:57,540 --> 01:30:57,860
Thank you.

1060
01:30:58,060 --> 01:30:58,140
Yeah?

1061
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:00,400
Thank you.

1062
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:05,360
That's something we're talking with our team about.

1063
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:10,020
So your method, current method is three days, a little bit, gets.

1064
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:10,780
Exactly.

1065
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:12,280
Right.

1066
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,640
So you design the project and then you build the project, right?

1067
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:15,420
Yes.

1068
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,540
So the other concepts would involve designing and hand in hand with the contractor.

1069
01:31:19,860 --> 01:31:23,360
There's different, there's slight variations between the different alternative delivery methods,

1070
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:30,160
But really it's about partnership. It's about delivering key phases of the project faster about managing risks throughout the project

1071
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:35,940
So you don't end up getting all the way to letting and find that you don't have enough funding for the project

1072
01:31:35,940 --> 01:31:39,220
So you can manage scope and schedule and budget throughout the project as well

1073
01:31:42,250 --> 01:31:43,130
Anybody else?

1074
01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:46,920
Great. Thank you so much

1075
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:47,580
Okay,

1076
01:32:01,140 --> 01:32:07,980
so the next item on the agenda for this evening is to give an update on a very rare widening

1077
01:32:07,980 --> 01:32:13,000
Again, I'm Kendra Parrish, Executive Director of Utilities and Infrastructure.

1078
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,740
There's no action tonight other than to just receive this information.

1079
01:32:19,300 --> 01:32:22,520
So a little bit of the background, we've talked about Avent Fairy Road.

1080
01:32:22,780 --> 01:32:24,160
We've heard it called Phase 2.

1081
01:32:25,060 --> 01:32:26,960
It's three quarters of a mile.

1082
01:32:27,780 --> 01:32:34,580
It's taking an existing predominantly three-ling facility and taking it to a four-lane median

1083
01:32:34,580 --> 01:32:37,040
and divided segment along Ava Ferry Road.

1084
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:46,640
The original municipal agreement was executed by the town council in 2017, and here's

1085
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:51,740
a little graphic that will show from Ralph Stevens through the sheet's gas station and

1086
01:32:51,740 --> 01:32:58,480
restaurant is right here, and the improvements will run just past the castle, including the

1087
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:02,360
Cape Side intersection and a little bit just past the Cape Side intersection.

1088
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:10,200
And so the original municipal agreement in 2017 was in the amount of $9.8 million.

1089
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,460
So in 2017, all of that would be done for $9.8 million.

1090
01:33:15,540 --> 01:33:24,160
During COVID, a little bit after COVID, DOT had put a funding freeze on several of the projects on the TIP.

1091
01:33:24,620 --> 01:33:31,360
And so a event failure was wrapped into that. So there was a period of time where there was no advancement there.

1092
01:33:32,420 --> 01:33:40,060
coming up on the current draft step, the state transportation improvement program.

1093
01:33:41,780 --> 01:33:51,020
As the scholars was saying, their cost of projects have increased and so we were actually

1094
01:33:51,020 --> 01:34:00,040
in some conversations where it looked like a very may move off the step due to the funding

1095
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:04,280
and the projects that were slated to happen before that project.

1096
01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:10,660
Through those conversations, it was discussed that if the town would administer the project,

1097
01:34:10,820 --> 01:34:15,120
take on the project, administer it, DO2 would do 100% reimbursement.

1098
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:20,540
That was a way to keep that project on the step program.

1099
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,680
And so that is taking on that administration with town resources.

1100
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:33,180
But as Mr. Haryton mentioned, next to Holly Springs Road, this is our next equal priority.

1101
01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:41,340
And so in talking with the Division Office, we're looking to do that.

1102
01:34:41,780 --> 01:34:48,320
And so right now in this step, the current estimate is 20.2 million.

1103
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,460
So that's where we're looking at that increase.

1104
01:34:51,460 --> 01:34:54,760
So same project, a few years later, double in price.

1105
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,920
Things that the municipal agreement would include are design construction documents,

1106
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:07,620
getting the private utilities relocated, property acquisition, and then construction.

1107
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:15,380
That municipal agreement, we will not get a draft of that until the step is approved later

1108
01:35:15,380 --> 01:35:15,980
this fall.

1109
01:35:15,980 --> 01:35:23,580
So once that's approved, we would then be talking with DOT about the language within that agreement.

1110
01:35:24,440 --> 01:35:31,760
And once we got it to a place that our legal department was okay, then that's when it would be brought before you this fall.

1111
01:35:32,440 --> 01:35:38,320
So just a little bit of a reminder, this is an infograph that we've used over the years, the Life of a Raid Project.

1112
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:45,660
and so just understanding and continuing to educate the public on why it takes so long for a

1113
01:35:45,660 --> 01:35:53,420
raid project. This is the traditional design bid build and so there's not a lot of

1114
01:35:53,420 --> 01:35:59,420
simultaneous activities and so you know we're always looking for those alternative delivery methods

1115
01:35:59,420 --> 01:36:06,860
but design, once you have funding in place just design is anywhere from 12 to 18 months. There's a

1116
01:36:06,860 --> 01:36:09,520
a lot of community engagement meetings along the way

1117
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,140
to make sure that we're meeting the needs of the community.

1118
01:36:12,860 --> 01:36:15,700
Also, state and federal agency permitting.

1119
01:36:15,940 --> 01:36:18,820
This is key, a lot of times we get federal dollars

1120
01:36:18,820 --> 01:36:23,180
that are in the project, and there are a host

1121
01:36:23,180 --> 01:36:26,500
of federal requirements that have to be met

1122
01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:30,040
that oftentimes add time and money to the projects.

1123
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:34,220
Utility Relocation, this is your Duke energy,

1124
01:36:34,220 --> 01:36:40,780
your spectrum getting them to move at the same pace that we would like to move that project

1125
01:36:40,780 --> 01:36:47,080
as always a challenge but a partnership but keeping you know making our priority their priority

1126
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:52,820
and getting them involved early is what we're doing there. Property acquisition that is something that

1127
01:36:53,420 --> 01:36:59,740
again over my 23 years here at the town of Holly Springs it only gets more complicated.

1128
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:16,520
It's challenging for property acquisition, and we, you know, depending on how many properties are included in a project, that can take a good amount of time, as we saw in Holly Springs Road.

1129
01:37:18,140 --> 01:37:24,940
Construction, you know, we've got 18 to 36 months. Of course, that oftentimes depends on the scope of the project as well.

1130
01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:28,760
but just continuing to explain the steps of a road project.

1131
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:37,760
So back to you, Avent Fairy Road, we are in, I am here standing, but I also have TEM-A-V

1132
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,380
that is our Transportation Engineer and Mike Leonis that's our Engineering Manager.

1133
01:37:41,980 --> 01:37:45,480
They've been working on to get this project going as fast as possible.

1134
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,040
We have put out a RFQ for a design firm.

1135
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,860
We are getting some good participation there.

1136
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:58,880
We've got to interview those applicants, you know, the design firms.

1137
01:37:59,980 --> 01:38:07,760
Once we get to the selected firm, we then scope out a contract, and then we begin negotiating.

1138
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:13,440
And then once we get that to a spot, we also have DOT's review because this is DOT project,

1139
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:17,780
DOT has to then review the contract to make sure that it meets all their guidelines.

1140
01:38:17,780 --> 01:38:24,480
And we do have somebody from DOT that will be helping us through that process, say that hopefully we can get through that quickly.

1141
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:30,900
Our goal is to get that design contract to town council early fall of this year.

1142
01:38:31,540 --> 01:38:38,000
Design and construction documents, say then we're looking at a two year design time frame.

1143
01:38:39,140 --> 01:38:46,640
We will be looking in every way possible to try to streamline and do simultaneous or anything in tandem that we can do

1144
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:52,360
to advance that project but looking at you know anywhere from a 18 to 24-month

1145
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:58,520
design period. Right-of-way acquisition we have two years for that right-of-way

1146
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:05,400
acquisition and then construction beginning in 29 and going to 2032. We can

1147
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:11,340
advance as much as we can on these segments but funding is only available as

1148
01:39:11,340 --> 01:39:17,140
outland in this step. So even if we were to, you know, had our genie bottle and said we

1149
01:39:17,140 --> 01:39:21,700
want designer right away done tomorrow, the funding for construction is not programmed

1150
01:39:21,700 --> 01:39:28,540
until those later years. And so we will be talking with DOT, you know, sometimes the funding

1151
01:39:28,540 --> 01:39:33,780
like some funding frees up because the project was delayed and so maybe there's ways that

1152
01:39:33,780 --> 01:39:39,340
you can do different phases of a project a little bit sooner. We will be working with our

1153
01:39:39,340 --> 01:39:43,280
or DOT partners to take the opportunity if available.

1154
01:39:46,670 --> 01:39:51,370
And so next steps are just, you know, this fall looking for that municipal agreement

1155
01:39:51,370 --> 01:39:57,730
as well as our professional services contract, probably bringing those very close together

1156
01:39:58,460 --> 01:40:00,710
and that is this fall for next steps.

1157
01:40:01,980 --> 01:40:09,010
So that I can answer any questions on event fairy and then I'll pause and then we'll talk

1158
01:40:09,010 --> 01:40:10,110
about the ITS project.

1159
01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:13,210
Any questions from Ms. Kendra?

1160
01:40:14,590 --> 01:40:19,650
So the DOT mentioned that the construction cost index

1161
01:40:19,650 --> 01:40:24,810
1 out 67%, but the cost of this project is 2X.

1162
01:40:25,490 --> 01:40:28,930
Now, are there any reasons why we're

1163
01:40:28,930 --> 01:40:32,890
seeing such a significant cost delta from what it was

1164
01:40:32,890 --> 01:40:33,710
in 2020?

1165
01:40:34,750 --> 01:40:35,690
Yeah, it was 2017.

1166
01:40:37,770 --> 01:40:52,350
So there's nothing I mean you look at three quarters of a mile it is pretty flat. I'll never say simple construction, but it's not like there's not a lot of challenges.

1167
01:40:52,890 --> 01:40:55,730
Pretty straightforward for a lane raid project.

1168
01:40:56,590 --> 01:41:02,790
So there's just nothing that we can see that's pushing that other than just the market.

1169
01:41:03,650 --> 01:41:11,990
That estimate, the 20.2 was done by the DOT group that does for their TIP, and I know

1170
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:18,250
that in talking with some of those folks, they're definitely trying to accommodate the increases

1171
01:41:18,250 --> 01:41:21,010
that they're seeing, the property increases.

1172
01:41:21,010 --> 01:41:28,950
So even like market construction costs are going up, we're also seeing property acquisition skyrocket as well.

1173
01:41:29,230 --> 01:41:33,010
We're in a great area and that's, you know, there's upsets and downsets.

1174
01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:43,050
So other than that, I haven't really been given any kind of key indication of why that doubled in price other than the market the right away.

1175
01:41:44,190 --> 01:41:48,330
And then trying to just factor in enough funding so that there's not a shortfall.

1176
01:41:48,330 --> 01:41:48,770
All right.

1177
01:41:49,090 --> 01:41:49,210
Good.

1178
01:41:49,730 --> 01:41:50,390
Thank you.

1179
01:41:52,330 --> 01:41:57,530
So, Kendra and Theory, we have 55 being resurfaced working on starting in 29 as Councilman

1180
01:41:57,530 --> 01:42:01,550
Barry pointed out earlier, and then this is going to be 29 to 32 as well.

1181
01:42:02,250 --> 01:42:06,610
How are we going to mitigate the traffic congestion and flows to navigate people around?

1182
01:42:07,550 --> 01:42:13,130
Yeah, so resurfacing in 29, usually the resurfacing is done in the warmer months, and so that is usually

1183
01:42:13,130 --> 01:42:18,090
something that you see starting, you know, April to about November as well plants and temperature.

1184
01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:25,190
So, 2029, the summer of 2029 will probably be in full resurface mode.

1185
01:42:26,130 --> 01:42:29,350
29 is when a contractor will be starting.

1186
01:42:30,110 --> 01:42:36,110
And so, usually you don't start to see those lane closures and until they get on-site,

1187
01:42:36,210 --> 01:42:41,050
they put in their erosion control, they start, the utility relocations are happening.

1188
01:42:41,050 --> 01:42:45,630
I mean, into the progression, when we'll search the in-link

1189
01:42:45,630 --> 01:42:49,570
closures for a very road, the resurfacing should be done.

1190
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:53,300
Come back to me in 29.

1191
01:42:53,700 --> 01:42:53,880
We'll talk about that.

1192
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:54,140
Right.

1193
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:55,440
Sell, sell, sell.

1194
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:57,100
That's what I heard, and so I heard.

1195
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:01,700
Sounds like Nios bought in the Wadden Droid to me,

1196
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:03,160
but short-term.

1197
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:04,600
Thank you.

1198
01:43:07,810 --> 01:43:08,310
Anything else?

1199
01:43:11,870 --> 01:43:13,650
I have to concur with Council Member Dries.

1200
01:43:13,810 --> 01:43:16,350
I don't understand 22 million for this intersection,

1201
01:43:16,350 --> 01:43:21,310
especially we have the MECON development redoing the intersection and

1202
01:43:21,310 --> 01:43:26,810
cashhole realigning capes. That's insane. I can't wait to see what the final cost

1203
01:43:26,810 --> 01:43:31,050
this is in 2032. To see if it actually did reach 20 million. That would be

1204
01:43:31,050 --> 01:43:35,370
impressive and sad. I'll give you a dollar and it's more than $29.

1205
01:43:36,290 --> 01:43:43,090
You know, no, because you're usually right. No, for three quarters of a month.

1206
01:43:43,570 --> 01:43:48,970
Right. How much is that is right away? I got like $12 million right away and it's three

1207
01:43:48,970 --> 01:43:51,990
quarters of it. Well, I don't really want to talk about right away in a public

1208
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:57,350
understood. It's yet to be acquired. But I do think it was around two million

1209
01:43:57,350 --> 01:44:07,530
ish. Well, it's right away. $100 for three quarters of it. Crazy. That will probably be

1210
01:44:07,530 --> 01:44:11,750
amended because anyone D.O.T. was doing the projections. That woods property was

1211
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:16,490
under-profit, you know, it was going to be widened, purchased, and widened, but

1212
01:44:16,490 --> 01:44:21,110
that development project actually has to dedicate the right away. And that's a

1213
01:44:21,110 --> 01:44:27,730
good chunk of frontage there. So that is an area where we might see some relief

1214
01:44:27,730 --> 01:44:32,830
on that right away budget. Is there joint acquisition because that developer is

1215
01:44:32,830 --> 01:44:36,150
going to put in a side path all the way down to even ferry anyway? So the last

1216
01:44:36,150 --> 01:44:39,070
thing we want to do is put a side path in and have to rip it up when we come

1217
01:44:39,070 --> 01:44:42,550
through to widen the road like how are we going to join way work. I think we've

1218
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:48,650
said that was just recently approved and we are going to have to get DOT the

1219
01:44:48,650 --> 01:44:54,050
town and the developer and talk through what is their actual dates for when

1220
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:58,610
they plan on doing their road widening and then overlay that with the TIP

1221
01:44:58,610 --> 01:44:59,070
project.

1222
01:44:59,570 --> 01:44:59,870
Okay.

1223
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,960
Even the realignment of capesad, you know, you can't ever bank on development, right? Like that's market driven. We don't know when and how fast they're going to move. And so we've taken the conservative approach of, you know, this is the scope of the whole project that DOT is funding, which included capesad realignment. It included some of the things that this development is going to do ahead of time. And so what we'll need to do is find out exactly what they're doing when they're doing.

1224
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:33,900
it and what we can do to make sure that we don't do something like that.

1225
01:45:35,380 --> 01:45:39,520
That would be the last thing we want to do on a ferry ride is going and ripping up

1226
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:43,680
side pass and then putting a sidewalk five feet past it.

1227
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:48,300
So I think now that we know that that's an approved project and it's real getting with that

1228
01:45:48,300 --> 01:45:50,760
developer and finding out what their time frames are.

1229
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:56,300
We have, there's some slight conversation on pro activity and reactivity earlier and I

1230
01:45:56,300 --> 01:45:59,840
just think this is one we absolutely need to be more proactive on because McAdams is

1231
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,540
out there every day away in state because I see them when I drop my kid off at school.

1232
01:46:03,100 --> 01:46:03,940
Every day they're out there.

1233
01:46:04,020 --> 01:46:07,540
I got a text from Epcot and people last week, they want to meet with me next week to

1234
01:46:07,540 --> 01:46:11,020
give an update on where they're at on the design of that intersection and how they're progressing.

1235
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:12,380
They're like ready to move.

1236
01:46:13,140 --> 01:46:17,160
And it's another perfect example of, you know, government doing a project versus the private

1237
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:20,560
sector because they're budget for that intersection realignment is less than a quarter of what

1238
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:24,800
we're going to pay for three-quarters of a mile or what the state's going to pay for three-quarters

1239
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:25,300
of a mile.

1240
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:31,340
So that from a public education perspective, it's just, you know, the bidding restrictions

1241
01:46:31,340 --> 01:46:35,860
that we have, the cost escalations that we see in government for what the private sector

1242
01:46:35,860 --> 01:46:41,300
does, it's just, it's not just us, it's everywhere in government, but it's out of control.

1243
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:45,820
But we need to be absolutely proactive on that intersection and not let them come in and

1244
01:46:45,820 --> 01:46:50,700
do their piece, and we're going to be for three, four years behind them to do the rest

1245
01:46:50,700 --> 01:46:54,780
to the road widening, so we need to make sure we're better aligned on that.

1246
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:56,580
Yes, sir.

1247
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:00,160
So Kendra, is the cost continuing to escalate?

1248
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:02,560
I mean, we're 2025, 2029.

1249
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:07,540
Today, like 20 to 2025, we are already seeing it go astronomically high.

1250
01:47:09,790 --> 01:47:12,430
Would we ever come to a point where, say, let's take out the median divided,

1251
01:47:12,590 --> 01:47:15,930
save land, space, property acquisition, and development?

1252
01:47:16,450 --> 01:47:19,310
Is there a point that we would ever do that, you think, in this project?

1253
01:47:19,310 --> 01:47:48,430
I think that if we continue with DOG to see the cost escalate, getting back to the operational functionality of the improvements, which is really moving vehicles more effectively, like four lanes versus two lanes, twice as fast, but looking at how we can move those vehicles efficiently and then safety.

1254
01:47:48,430 --> 01:47:59,350
Those are the two things on that corridor is the mobility and the safety and looking at ways to minimize the scope to still meet those two intents, right?

1255
01:47:59,650 --> 01:48:09,230
And so, you know, maybe it's collapsed in the median through certain areas, looking at the intersections and what we can do at the intersections.

1256
01:48:09,450 --> 01:48:13,190
Intersections is what causes congestion, straightaways, not so much.

1257
01:48:13,190 --> 01:48:19,530
And so looking to, you know, I think we would be looking to revise, go, cut down on the

1258
01:48:19,530 --> 01:48:24,830
nice to have and focus on the need to have for the mobility and the safety there.

1259
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:27,680
I appreciate it.

1260
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:31,500
That is one area that if you're ever out in that area because of the high school, you have

1261
01:48:31,500 --> 01:48:35,600
a concentration of teen drivers, so I understand the needs for safety.

1262
01:48:36,780 --> 01:48:38,980
And so you're not going to seem to argue that.

1263
01:48:39,100 --> 01:48:44,140
I've seen teen drivers at work in some of the parents.

1264
01:48:44,140 --> 01:48:56,840
But I appreciate that with the same time, I'd hate to be asking the future question, but I think it probably needs to be asked, what about phase, what we call phase 3, 8, and fairy.

1265
01:48:57,740 --> 01:49:01,300
When are we going to touch that, think about that, when are we going to discuss that?

1266
01:49:02,460 --> 01:49:13,440
I think that's a great question. And as we look to the future with transportation, we are coming around, we're in the short raise and coming around on finishing up all of the bond projects from 2017.

1267
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:20,620
2018 time frame and so as we start to look towards what is that next decade for look like for transportation

1268
01:49:21,380 --> 01:49:21,960
It's

1269
01:49:22,580 --> 01:49:31,880
Looking at our comprehensive transportation plan looking at the priorities established through that and then setting up that next round of projects and

1270
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:39,300
So I think that's a great contender for you know in the comprehensive transportation plan which Mr. Hill is we talking about right after me

1271
01:49:40,140 --> 01:49:41,540
But I think it's a great question

1272
01:49:41,540 --> 01:49:44,840
And it's, you know, we're working on today's issues,

1273
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:46,160
but we got to be looking towards tomorrow.

1274
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:47,460
And what do those look like?

1275
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:52,860
As I've been in discussion at all and mixed in with today's issue about phase three.

1276
01:49:54,800 --> 01:50:01,840
I have not seen an opportunity to expand the scope further down the event ferry road

1277
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:08,600
at this time with the budget, but I think knowing that that's coming, I think it's great.

1278
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:14,540
progress of planning on the council's part because that's what was done with Holly Springs Road.

1279
01:50:14,660 --> 01:50:18,780
When we first started what we used to call phase one of Holly Springs Road which is Holly Springs

1280
01:50:18,780 --> 01:50:24,080
Road East, you know at that time we were like we've just got to get this portion done. Well then we

1281
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:29,200
started talking about Central and West and then there were opportunities to do things that moved

1282
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:34,160
those projects along quicker and I think we're going to you know be able to do that with Ava Perry

1283
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:38,580
right as well. Well that's where I'm going with this. Once you get past the farm area near

1284
01:50:38,580 --> 01:50:43,320
to our holly point those developers are already wide those are they're missed up now but those

1285
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:47,920
roads are already wide and almost four lanes straight across. I mean it goes down for a while

1286
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:53,300
and it just you know hourglass right and then with the Reagan property at the end of

1287
01:50:53,300 --> 01:50:59,760
even ferry we're doing the intersection four-laneing their frontage you know I just see an opportunity

1288
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:03,400
could we move that earlier at some point and so we'll follow up with

1289
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:04,360
Mr. Hill obviously.

1290
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:08,740
But thank you. Great job as always.

1291
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:13,340
Thank you and I just want to reiterate that we are grateful to

1292
01:51:13,340 --> 01:51:19,060
then see DOT for that 20.2 million for the step and it sounds like we have a

1293
01:51:19,060 --> 01:51:23,440
good partnership with the town working on the on the administration of the

1294
01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:29,680
project will who will be responsible for any cost overruns will that be

1295
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:33,380
the DOT and not the town, I assume?

1296
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:40,500
Usually with the municipal agreements, it is especially for, you know, this is a 100%

1297
01:51:40,500 --> 01:51:41,760
reimbursed project.

1298
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:47,360
And so if it is something within the scope of the project, that is something that DOT typically

1299
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:53,740
pays for in a TIP project, the overrun is typically born by the Department of Transportation.

1300
01:51:54,280 --> 01:52:00,680
If we, the town, decide we want something above and beyond what is DOT standard, sometimes

1301
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:01,820
those are called betterments.

1302
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:11,940
If it was an overrun on a betterment item than the town is usually bearing that cost.

1303
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:17,340
But those are the types of things that our legal department reviews very closely in the municipal

1304
01:52:17,340 --> 01:52:17,780
agreement.

1305
01:52:18,180 --> 01:52:23,520
And so once we get that draft municipal agreement and we start working with their legal

1306
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:28,580
department you know those are things that we would definitely get nailed down so

1307
01:52:28,580 --> 01:52:32,240
in the fall and there's a few other things that we know we want in those

1308
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:36,600
municipal agreements and so I think that's the time you know when we could

1309
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:42,020
stay for sure who would be covering those costs but that's typically kind of the

1310
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:45,660
breakdown of how it goes. Is that your expectation as well Miss Gales?

1311
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:47,400
And

1312
01:53:06,660 --> 01:53:10,840
could I also request that we get your help and in time we

1313
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:16,060
reviews to kind of streamline this process as much as possible. Thank you. I appreciate it.

1314
01:53:20,650 --> 01:53:25,070
One other thing. I'd love to see us look at things on a macro level because like we're talking

1315
01:53:25,070 --> 01:53:29,950
about even fairy so we're going to do what's property. They're going to come back and do even fairy but

1316
01:53:29,950 --> 01:53:34,470
at the same time we've got Eagles landing coming up at the same time. So for any residents that are

1317
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:39,130
living out there in the schools out there, you're going to tear up the things for the park.

1318
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:43,350
We're going

1319
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:44,770
look at these things on a macro level.

1320
01:53:44,890 --> 01:53:47,650
There's another section right here in the heart of town

1321
01:53:47,650 --> 01:53:50,670
where we have right here at the corner of Main Street

1322
01:53:50,670 --> 01:53:52,230
and Holly Springs Road being built,

1323
01:53:52,330 --> 01:53:53,950
but we have another coming right up the street

1324
01:53:53,950 --> 01:53:55,530
that the things coming down the street.

1325
01:53:55,670 --> 01:53:57,630
There are multiple things coming at the same time

1326
01:53:57,630 --> 01:53:59,270
and what people are yelling saying,

1327
01:53:59,810 --> 01:54:00,610
I'm stuck.

1328
01:54:01,470 --> 01:54:03,230
And so there needs to be a better way

1329
01:54:03,230 --> 01:54:06,130
where we can, from a macro level, look at that and say,

1330
01:54:06,490 --> 01:54:07,710
okay, these things are doing it.

1331
01:54:07,810 --> 01:54:09,930
How can we coordinate some of these things?

1332
01:54:10,090 --> 01:54:12,250
How can we make these things work better together?

1333
01:54:12,250 --> 01:54:15,850
so that sometimes we can time certain things better.

1334
01:54:16,250 --> 01:54:19,770
And I don't know how to do that, but that's just a request.

1335
01:54:22,140 --> 01:54:22,880
I'll take that.

1336
01:54:23,020 --> 01:54:25,400
I think working with our development department

1337
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:29,320
with capital and development and trying to look at

1338
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:31,260
like that macro level, I think that's something

1339
01:54:31,260 --> 01:54:34,360
that we've been discussing because we're feeling it too.

1340
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:37,840
Like we're seeing it, development schedules

1341
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:41,340
are usually run by the developer in the market

1342
01:54:41,340 --> 01:54:46,080
And so there's, sometimes there's not a lot of opportunity to change their schedule.

1343
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:52,740
And so we are looking at, you know, there's two schedules, how do we combine them and

1344
01:54:52,740 --> 01:54:53,900
get that partnership.

1345
01:54:54,580 --> 01:54:59,340
But that is something that we are talking about and trying to at least try to guide that

1346
01:54:59,340 --> 01:55:01,100
process for better timing.

1347
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:01,360
But

1348
01:55:06,290 --> 01:55:11,430
okay, so the next item is our Intelligent Transportation System or ITS.

1349
01:55:12,110 --> 01:55:16,690
And again, I won't spend too much time, I think, because Mrs. Gales had talked about

1350
01:55:16,690 --> 01:55:22,330
this, and this is kind of a recap, but just wanted to provide an update on that project.

1351
01:55:22,570 --> 01:55:28,070
So just, you know, current challenges, as we all have learned, you know, over the years,

1352
01:55:28,290 --> 01:55:33,170
it was, the signals were tied together, or not tied together, but they were on modem.

1353
01:55:33,290 --> 01:55:34,130
So it was dial-up.

1354
01:55:34,510 --> 01:55:35,990
It was complaint driven.

1355
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:40,410
There were lots of interruptions, because of not having a fabric connection, but having

1356
01:55:40,410 --> 01:55:43,850
there would be a drift, so like signals wouldn't hold timing plans.

1357
01:55:44,970 --> 01:55:51,330
We would get a complaint, we would check it out, we would call the division office that's in Durham.

1358
01:55:52,250 --> 01:55:56,810
They have limited resources that are responding to all the counties.

1359
01:55:57,470 --> 01:56:00,230
And so this is the problem statement right here.

1360
01:56:00,410 --> 01:56:08,150
This is the problem that we were having and what we wanted to do something about and our citizens deserve that.

1361
01:56:08,150 --> 01:56:14,930
And so we had a phased approach, phase one was synchronized the signals to, you know,

1362
01:56:15,010 --> 01:56:21,090
tie the signals to Fiber, what we've talked about is our IT director, Jeff Wilson had,

1363
01:56:21,470 --> 01:56:28,230
you know, long ago looked at running Fiber to town facilities. That was the catalyst for

1364
01:56:28,230 --> 01:56:34,990
getting the signal project up and running because there was excess capacity and fiber to get

1365
01:56:34,990 --> 01:56:42,090
the signals tied together. So it was a great benefit of that. We were able to get that phase

1366
01:56:42,090 --> 01:56:51,730
one was a general assembly. We got some money on behalf to get that project done. Phase two was

1367
01:56:51,730 --> 01:57:00,630
then putting the cameras up on the signals. That was completed in 23. Phase three was upgrading the

1368
01:57:00,630 --> 01:57:06,610
signal software creating that final fiber connection to the DOT traffic center that Ms.

1369
01:57:06,690 --> 01:57:11,590
Gals is talking about. That's, you know, I've got the under construction. That's where we are right now.

1370
01:57:12,250 --> 01:57:20,070
In the funding source, you know, town, our taxpayers are paying 10 percent. DOT is paying that 90 percent.

1371
01:57:20,710 --> 01:57:27,670
And what this project does is then, again, we've got the checkmark by Facebook.

1372
01:57:27,670 --> 01:57:34,890
that was, once we wanted to get all that signal software updated, we then wanted to get new timing plans calibrated.

1373
01:57:35,570 --> 01:57:45,750
And so we were able to get this Phase 3 and Phase 4 all within this, you know, taxpayers paying 10% project.

1374
01:57:46,670 --> 01:57:53,390
What we're progressively moving up towards, you know, what we call Phase 5 is sort of like, what is the end game here?

1375
01:57:53,390 --> 01:58:00,090
and it is to get a higher level of service, real-time response to the roads in

1376
01:58:00,090 --> 01:58:06,270
Holly Springs and, you know, to Fuqua and coming out of Apex. The benefits of

1377
01:58:06,270 --> 01:58:11,710
this last project that we're currently, we're feeling the pain of it, but what

1378
01:58:11,710 --> 01:58:18,510
the benefits will be when it's finished is because DOT was able to fund 90% and

1379
01:58:18,510 --> 01:58:25,190
move this up. We were able to deliver this project nine years early. It was, you know, on DOT's

1380
01:58:25,190 --> 01:58:28,910
time frame and looking at stuff, it was nine years out. We were able to get that moved up.

1381
01:58:29,890 --> 01:58:38,410
It also, once it's finished, then the folks sitting in the traffic center can see what's going on.

1382
01:58:38,770 --> 01:58:45,270
They can change the timing plans. It's cloud-based. And so your level of service, your response time

1383
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:48,450
and monitoring all of that goes up.

1384
01:58:49,590 --> 01:58:51,070
Looking at emergency vehicles,

1385
01:58:51,290 --> 01:58:53,650
we have preemption, getting those timing plans,

1386
01:58:53,650 --> 01:58:55,370
which helps our emergency response.

1387
01:58:56,210 --> 01:58:59,630
We're also able to then get some analytics and metrics,

1388
01:58:59,790 --> 01:59:02,590
like we're able to get data because all of it is,

1389
01:59:02,730 --> 01:59:06,170
we've got the software, and then it's tracking it

1390
01:59:06,170 --> 01:59:08,990
and so we'll be able to use that for data-driven decisions.

1391
01:59:10,010 --> 01:59:12,030
And as I said, the monitoring of the issues.

1392
01:59:12,930 --> 01:59:18,790
So the current schedule that we're on is, so right now, May, June, there's still a lot

1393
01:59:18,790 --> 01:59:21,430
of calibrating of the signal synchronization.

1394
01:59:21,810 --> 01:59:26,070
So as we know, the bypass, you know, you go five feet, you stop, five feet stop.

1395
01:59:26,590 --> 01:59:32,690
The synchronization on the bypass is not optimal right now.

1396
01:59:33,490 --> 01:59:39,890
And it has not been, and it is something, as we've talked about, it's this iterative process,

1397
01:59:39,890 --> 01:59:47,130
us, and they can't see it yet. Like, nobody at DOT can see what's going on. Our IT Director

1398
01:59:47,130 --> 01:59:52,790
Mr. Wilson has given them access into our cameras so that they can log on and try to see what

1399
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:58,990
we can see. But right now, it is, you know, they're looking at it. We're giving them feedback.

1400
01:59:58,990 --> 01:59:59,970
back, hey, it's a

1401
02:00:00,110 --> 02:00:30,090
25 minutes to get up to target. And so there's that calibrating and the synchronization. That is very iterative. And we've told them to focus on the bypass first. And so that's where they are working. July by July, they do. That's when they'll go through and do the whole inspection. They'll look at the timing plans. Like this timing plan is supposed to be this has the contractor delivered the timing plan. And that's when you'll start

1402
02:00:30,090 --> 02:00:37,350
to see some of those comparisons in July to kind of troubleshoot and make sure that we have the

1403
02:00:37,350 --> 02:00:44,290
delivered outcome there. And August is then the 30-day monitoring. So everything's set into

1404
02:00:44,290 --> 02:00:52,350
motion, everything is in and we start, DOT starts to monitor it. And I would even say into August,

1405
02:00:52,530 --> 02:00:57,070
like their monitoring, but we'll start to see August September, there still will be ongoing tweaking

1406
02:00:57,070 --> 02:01:01,950
going on to get that right timing. As you've seen we were like event fairies

1407
02:01:01,950 --> 02:01:07,910
backing up to the school. We need green time on event fairies. They're

1408
02:01:07,910 --> 02:01:12,450
tweaking, now we're seeing where event fairies is doing good but the

1409
02:01:12,450 --> 02:01:17,050
bathhouse is really backed up. It is like that balloon where you squeeze and it's

1410
02:01:17,050 --> 02:01:22,310
I mean you only have a set amount of time and how to balance the timing of all

1411
02:01:22,310 --> 02:01:28,870
the approaches. That is what you know we're currently a DOT's contractor is

1412
02:01:28,870 --> 02:01:34,410
working on. So we've said we help the event fairy but now we got to tweak the

1413
02:01:34,410 --> 02:01:42,690
bypass and get that right balance and so we'll see that continue on. So this is

1414
02:01:42,690 --> 02:01:48,430
the current schedule and with that I can answer any questions. I'll say Jeff

1415
02:01:48,430 --> 02:01:53,290
What's in his here, if there are some real good detailed questions that I can answer, then

1416
02:01:53,290 --> 02:01:53,690
Jeff can.

1417
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:58,760
I can't go on to thank you and Jeff for this multi-year process you've been following.

1418
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:02,500
You know, every year you've been doing a little more, a little more than, and thank you

1419
02:02:02,500 --> 02:02:08,000
to the NTOT for really getting face 4 and 5, and I wish this project they had, but you

1420
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:13,040
and Jeff and your teams have done a phenomenal job, so I appreciate it.

1421
02:02:13,140 --> 02:02:18,100
I know it's going to be much better off in this, is done at least something we can affect

1422
02:02:18,100 --> 02:02:24,300
traffic with now versus you know waiting for rows you built so thank you.

1423
02:02:24,540 --> 02:02:28,120
And I mean I would just turn that back and give credit to town council at the

1424
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:36,960
2024 town council retreat. Y'all said get this project done for our citizens and

1425
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:41,700
it's a low cost project with a high benefit you can't pave your way out of

1426
02:02:41,700 --> 02:02:45,260
congestion and so thank you for allowing us to do this.

1427
02:02:48,330 --> 02:02:50,530
So at what point are the

1428
02:02:50,530 --> 02:02:58,130
new controllers going in? Is that July? You kind of confirm the signal timing?

1429
02:02:58,890 --> 02:03:06,770
So they have taken out the old controllers. They have put in new controllers. They

1430
02:03:06,770 --> 02:03:13,050
are working on tying the fiber to the back end of the controller. And so for most

1431
02:03:13,050 --> 02:03:21,890
of them, the new controllers are in and fibers being tied to, um, does that sound right?

1432
02:03:22,570 --> 02:03:25,170
Um, yes, they were in front of her.

1433
02:03:25,490 --> 02:03:25,610
No.

1434
02:03:26,110 --> 02:03:26,550
Okay.

1435
02:03:27,310 --> 02:03:28,070
I didn't want to be rude.

1436
02:03:28,490 --> 02:03:28,650
Yeah.

1437
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:34,550
Um, so my understanding is, and you picked the wrong, the bypasses had all the old controllers

1438
02:03:34,550 --> 02:03:35,130
put back in.

1439
02:03:35,410 --> 02:03:39,690
There are some locations that still had the new max time controllers in there and had been

1440
02:03:39,690 --> 02:03:42,070
been starting to be updated with the timing plans

1441
02:03:42,070 --> 02:03:44,150
from the oil controllers when you've left the case.

1442
02:03:45,110 --> 02:03:48,590
And then the fiber is almost done for the contract.

1443
02:03:48,830 --> 02:03:51,070
We set loose, start time, everything back together

1444
02:03:51,070 --> 02:03:52,730
and work on getting the controllers back down.

1445
02:03:53,230 --> 02:03:54,990
One thing to note, and you can correct me from wrong,

1446
02:03:55,270 --> 02:03:58,510
is that the new controllers will get

1447
02:03:58,510 --> 02:04:00,750
the existing timing plans back in them.

1448
02:04:01,450 --> 02:04:02,730
And then that's when tweaked periods

1449
02:04:02,730 --> 02:04:04,390
will start occurring where they can do things

1450
02:04:04,390 --> 02:04:05,650
remotely and mom for remotely.

1451
02:04:05,650 --> 02:04:18,610
And what is our, because, you know, this bit us before, so what is our process for knowing that the timing has been programmed into the new controllers before we put them in? Do we have a plan?

1452
02:04:19,470 --> 02:04:27,550
Close coordination with in CDOT at this point, and I believe they're holding their contact closer on the progress on that.

1453
02:04:29,430 --> 02:04:32,050
It shouldn't be our job to do quality control, right?

1454
02:04:32,170 --> 02:04:36,330
I think that's my biggest gripe with this whole thing is that if I didn't text

1455
02:04:36,330 --> 02:04:39,950
Randy and say, hey, something kind of looks weird at Main Street, it's like I drive

1456
02:04:39,950 --> 02:04:43,310
the road enough that I know the freaking traffic light pattern, like it's bizarre, but

1457
02:04:43,910 --> 02:04:47,230
and then we find out the controllers are wrong, like we can't be doing quality

1458
02:04:47,230 --> 02:04:50,330
control. I don't think that's our responsibility, so we need to make sure this

1459
02:04:50,330 --> 02:04:54,950
contractor, somebody from the DOTs out there making sure that they're doing the

1460
02:04:54,950 --> 02:04:57,410
project, right? And then it's done right the first time.

1461
02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:02,140
We're the second. We're the third. Yeah, I don't know.

1462
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:03,520
I'm trying to lost track.

1463
02:05:07,870 --> 02:05:10,910
Anything else? Thank you.

1464
02:05:15,490 --> 02:05:17,190
Good evening, Chris. Leaving

1465
02:05:21,730 --> 02:05:22,810
Mayor and Councilmembers on

1466
02:05:22,810 --> 02:05:25,430
Chris Hills, the Development Services Director. I'm excited to come

1467
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:29,450
for you tonight, talk a little bit about the CTP and how that plays into our

1468
02:05:29,450 --> 02:05:35,790
transportation tapestry. You know, going after Miss Gales and Miss

1469
02:05:35,790 --> 02:05:41,650
Paris and Mr. Wilson. Certainly, let's me bat some cleanup, but they've covered a lot

1470
02:05:41,650 --> 02:05:44,950
of great ground already. And some of the things that we'll talk about today have already

1471
02:05:44,950 --> 02:05:49,810
been touched on just a little bit. And so this evening, I'll be talking about the CTP

1472
02:05:49,810 --> 02:05:55,450
and how it relates to the MTP, which is what Campo manages for us and how we work with

1473
02:05:55,950 --> 02:06:01,010
NCDOT to get our local projects into the state transportation investment plan.

1474
02:06:04,430 --> 02:06:04,850
And so with

1475
02:06:04,850 --> 02:06:10,350
the CCP itself and how we use it. First of all, the foremost, the town uses it for capital

1476
02:06:10,350 --> 02:06:16,070
prioritization. So if we have a project we want to do, we use that to inform us. We also

1477
02:06:16,070 --> 02:06:22,150
work with NC DOT in Campo on regional coordination. We work through those organizations for federal

1478
02:06:22,150 --> 02:06:27,390
funding opportunities. And then we use it for development review, so private development

1479
02:06:27,390 --> 02:06:32,830
can invest in it as well. And as you may recall from some of our previous conversations, we've

1480
02:06:32,830 --> 02:06:38,710
The estimated value of the improvements in the CTP right now is over $800 million in 2022 dollars.

1481
02:06:38,930 --> 02:06:41,150
So we know that's escalated dramatically as well.

1482
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:44,510
So a lot of competition within our own CTP for projects.

1483
02:06:45,650 --> 02:06:54,610
But as I noted, the CTP does inform the Campo MTP, which is what we use to get into the state's plan.

1484
02:06:54,830 --> 02:06:57,450
So it is a regional version of the CTP.

1485
02:06:57,630 --> 02:07:01,210
So if you think about the Campo area and the municipalities and counties that it covers,

1486
02:07:01,210 --> 02:07:06,090
that's what we do to get our projects within that regional model and there is an

1487
02:07:06,090 --> 02:07:12,350
extensive modeling that occurs with this and Campo uses that to ensure that the

1488
02:07:12,350 --> 02:07:16,970
projects that are most in need get funded first and that informs spot and

1489
02:07:16,970 --> 02:07:22,210
lap eligibility as projects move forward. Within our community we've been very

1490
02:07:22,210 --> 02:07:29,290
fortunate not only through spot step but also through lap programs and had we've

1491
02:07:29,290 --> 02:07:32,350
have success with moving projects what we call above the red line.

1492
02:07:32,510 --> 02:07:36,610
Here you can see just a couple of years ago, we only had five projects,

1493
02:07:36,630 --> 02:07:39,950
excuse me, four projects that were above the red line funded, and now we've

1494
02:07:39,950 --> 02:07:44,490
been able to move that in the last few years from the CTP being updated and

1495
02:07:44,490 --> 02:07:49,010
the growth we've had in our community, equaling more projects moving above that

1496
02:07:49,010 --> 02:07:52,150
cut line to be funded by the state, and that's something that we're very proud of.

1497
02:07:53,550 --> 02:08:00,010
That MTP that we put our data in informs the model that Campo utilizes.

1498
02:08:00,250 --> 02:08:04,830
And here you can see in these maps, the image on the left reflects the Campo base model

1499
02:08:04,830 --> 02:08:06,830
of what current conditions essentially are.

1500
02:08:07,290 --> 02:08:11,630
And you can see the red lines equal, bad, the yellow lines equal, getting bad.

1501
02:08:12,030 --> 02:08:15,250
And of course green lines equal functioning at an acceptable level of service.

1502
02:08:15,730 --> 02:08:17,850
And you can see the Holly Springs Road corridor and how.

1503
02:08:17,850 --> 02:08:42,190
That was something that this tool helped our Council and our regional representatives to recognize as a fundable and meaningful transportation improvement in our town, and you can see how in the future, once that project gets done, that Council has funded already through local capital programs as well as through that funding through Campo, that will be improved on the 20-55 model run that we see today.

1504
02:08:42,890 --> 02:08:47,670
And so with that being said, knowing that in our community there's over $800 million worth

1505
02:08:47,670 --> 02:08:48,110
of need.

1506
02:08:48,770 --> 02:08:53,690
We start looking at where is the areas that we anticipate seeing investment in the future.

1507
02:08:54,110 --> 02:08:58,070
And for us, that southern part of our community is something that really starts to pop out.

1508
02:08:58,470 --> 02:09:02,650
So in the base model you can see here, the Avent, Ferry Road, Corridor, Piney Road, Wolben,

1509
02:09:03,310 --> 02:09:07,310
Casseholt Road, and what the model currently says as far as level of service.

1510
02:09:07,970 --> 02:09:11,130
As we go to the 2055 model based on known investments,

1511
02:09:11,330 --> 02:09:15,230
you can see the level of service begins to degrade pretty significantly.

1512
02:09:15,690 --> 02:09:20,830
And so it's really important that as we start thinking about the next round of priorities,

1513
02:09:21,310 --> 02:09:26,210
that this is an area that we really look at and scrutinize pretty hard.

1514
02:09:27,130 --> 02:09:30,870
Earlier Councilman Forrest, you referenced Event Fairy Road Phase 3,

1515
02:09:30,990 --> 02:09:32,290
and certainly a huge priority here.

1516
02:09:32,410 --> 02:09:36,150
You can see that the red area starts to stretch out down the road

1517
02:09:36,150 --> 02:09:39,290
in the future model, and that's something that we are aware of.

1518
02:09:39,370 --> 02:09:41,770
And one of the challenges that we will continue to face

1519
02:09:43,810 --> 02:09:47,390
as the state continues to grow is that secondary roads

1520
02:09:47,390 --> 02:09:51,530
compete worse and worse and worse in every single run of spot and

1521
02:09:51,530 --> 02:09:53,710
step, and that's a challenge for us.

1522
02:09:53,850 --> 02:09:56,430
And so, you know, while I know our friends at DOT want to really

1523
02:09:56,430 --> 02:09:58,350
help us with that, and I can't, but I want to help us with that,

1524
02:09:58,790 --> 02:10:01,310
the model that we utilize for Holly Springs Road,

1525
02:10:01,630 --> 02:10:05,250
where it's kind of a combination through lap is probably a likely

1526
02:10:05,250 --> 02:10:11,390
the solution for how we do these secondary roads in our community, because we know even

1527
02:10:11,390 --> 02:10:16,510
with our larger scale roads that are more of what we call the regional scale, there

1528
02:10:16,510 --> 02:10:21,010
is already fierce competition for those monies to make those improvements in the future.

1529
02:10:22,390 --> 02:10:26,850
And so with that being said, just wanted to make sure that we shared the known improvements

1530
02:10:26,850 --> 02:10:27,250
map.

1531
02:10:27,550 --> 02:10:33,090
This map is something that our staff maintains that reflects the known investments and transportation

1532
02:10:33,090 --> 02:10:36,070
that work in our community, where we have private investment

1533
02:10:36,070 --> 02:10:39,090
shown in blue, town investment shown in purple,

1534
02:10:39,370 --> 02:10:42,990
and an NC DOT investment shown in that orange color there,

1535
02:10:43,370 --> 02:10:45,970
as well as the new signals that are programmed associated

1536
02:10:45,970 --> 02:10:50,310
oftentimes with private development proposals in our community.

1537
02:10:51,970 --> 02:10:54,750
And then the last check-in point is just, you know,

1538
02:10:54,990 --> 02:10:57,830
we know right now that we've got several lab projects

1539
02:10:57,830 --> 02:10:59,430
that we're in the process of closing out.

1540
02:10:59,430 --> 02:11:29,310
But we also know what the next two years of lab priorities look like as far as Holly Springs Road Central being year one, this current year application and the Holly Springs West being the following year's application after that period of time, we do anticipate we will have more opportunities to apply for lab funding with Campo as projects start to roll off the books because they only allow, I mean, just to allow you have, I believe, seven projects active at a time and after that,

1541
02:11:29,310 --> 02:11:33,370
They only can get one application per year, and we've been so successful.

1542
02:11:33,550 --> 02:11:36,790
We're above that seven right now because we've been getting the even the one per year.

1543
02:11:37,690 --> 02:11:41,550
And so as the projects that we currently have on the construction start kind of wrapping up,

1544
02:11:41,550 --> 02:11:45,670
we'll have more opportunities to apply for lap funding in the future.

1545
02:11:46,230 --> 02:11:51,550
And so at the retreat this year, we did dive into what was the known council priorities.

1546
02:11:51,750 --> 02:11:53,710
And this is where we left it at that time.

1547
02:11:53,710 --> 02:11:59,050
looking at Holly Spurring's road west widening event,

1548
02:11:59,250 --> 02:12:01,830
very festival street, castle road widening,

1549
02:12:02,290 --> 02:12:05,550
South Main Street road diet, sunset lake road widening,

1550
02:12:05,630 --> 02:12:10,890
north sunset lake road widening, and I think that's all of them.

1551
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:14,190
So I wanted to check in and see if there's any additional questions related to

1552
02:12:14,190 --> 02:12:19,250
priorities or how the CTP that we have adopted as a community

1553
02:12:19,250 --> 02:12:22,630
informs the MTP to get us more funding here locally.

1554
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:32,910
I

1555
02:12:38,730 --> 02:12:47,070
had a question about the traffic that we're getting from Hornet County.

1556
02:12:48,290 --> 02:12:57,010
I don't know if we have ways, that's not an NCDOT5, is that our conversations being

1557
02:12:57,010 --> 02:12:59,590
you have with these other counties that kind of,

1558
02:13:02,780 --> 02:13:03,240
okay.

1559
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:05,920
Yeah, so the Campo has continued to grow,

1560
02:13:06,140 --> 02:13:08,740
and it actually crosses the vision lines in several places.

1561
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:12,660
And so the interesting thing about that is in some ways

1562
02:13:12,660 --> 02:13:14,760
that could benefit the town of Holly Springs

1563
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:18,700
in the way more money can kind of move into this area.

1564
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:23,660
But it is, what you sometimes do see is some equity issues

1565
02:13:23,660 --> 02:13:26,120
because those towns are maturing on the edges

1566
02:13:26,120 --> 02:13:27,800
of the Campo jurisdiction.

1567
02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:32,360
sometimes have the same problems we do, but because they're in a less urbanized area,

1568
02:13:32,740 --> 02:13:34,140
they have less competition for that.

1569
02:13:34,460 --> 02:13:39,260
And so there are some benefits that we receive from that, but the reality is sometimes those

1570
02:13:39,260 --> 02:13:43,100
shoulder municipalities get a lot of improvement that we wish we'd see here because of the way

1571
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:45,680
the state allocates those funds on a division basis.

1572
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:58,000
And do you believe that the Council priorities identified here reflect the developments that

1573
02:13:58,000 --> 02:13:58,960
are going to be added?

1574
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:04,300
Is that through, I mean, this is certainly true through today's lens, but my question is for

1575
02:14:04,840 --> 02:14:11,140
10 years, one of these developments will be occupied. Do you think this is still true or

1576
02:14:11,140 --> 02:14:18,480
is this still what you would prioritize? It's always a snapshot in time. And I say that to say,

1577
02:14:18,660 --> 02:14:24,140
things like ITS, things like mode shift, the microtransit, things like that will continue to

1578
02:14:24,140 --> 02:14:29,960
evolve the way people move around as well as, you know, 10 years ago, if you think about,

1579
02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:36,040
you know, the technology we have now to work for home, where trips to work have decreased because of that.

1580
02:14:36,460 --> 02:14:40,260
You know, we're going to see a continued evolution of what may happen.

1581
02:14:40,660 --> 02:14:45,280
I do think that these are the right priorities today, but as the model kind of reflects here,

1582
02:14:45,480 --> 02:14:48,100
that's going to be continuing to shift south over time.

1583
02:14:48,600 --> 02:14:53,100
And what, you know, the reason why I referenced the snapshot in time is the way

1584
02:14:55,880 --> 02:14:59,980
and NCDOT, you know, do their funding modeling is all based on...

1585
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
Capacity and volume and where the biggest problem is at the time they're developing that plan. And so I do think that our plan is sound in terms of trying to keep the major thoroughfares as open as possible. I think the real challenge is to become how we get those secondary roads funded and, you know, whether it's in combination with lap funds and local capital funds or continue to work with our partners at NCDUT and making those be seen as more regional connections.

1586
02:15:32,400 --> 02:15:49,540
We know that folks who are coming through our community and in Holly Springs, they're not always their destination, so they're just passing by, which tells me that even though the road might be kind of identified as secondary, it may be functioning as a more regional road, so how can we try to move that needle so that that road can compete better in the future?

1587
02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:58,320
And we don't have any biker pedestrian improvements prioritized around the new park.

1588
02:15:59,460 --> 02:16:04,520
I know that's an item of interest on how people will get to the park and are we creating

1589
02:16:04,520 --> 02:16:06,820
opportunities for people to bite there.

1590
02:16:07,640 --> 02:16:10,200
Is that something that we are also looking at?

1591
02:16:11,500 --> 02:16:17,440
Our CTP as well as the Parks and Recreation Master Plan does have the Greenway elements

1592
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:21,980
the site path elements associated with it, and we do look for grant funding opportunities

1593
02:16:21,980 --> 02:16:26,920
to accelerate those and get them into the CIP. I think when we were at the most recent

1594
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:31,980
retreat, we really focused on the roadway network because of the congestion at this time.

1595
02:16:32,520 --> 02:16:37,920
And the event period isn't on here because it's already in the step.

1596
02:16:38,340 --> 02:16:42,420
So the current segment is already in the step. So this is what we're looking forward to.

1597
02:16:42,420 --> 02:16:51,360
That phase three does become the next kind of challenge of what that is and really trying to say what is that funding mechanism and does a event ferry?

1598
02:16:52,220 --> 02:16:53,480
You know if you go back to

1599
02:16:54,060 --> 02:16:57,720
This forecast map you can see Pining Grove, Wilburne

1600
02:16:57,720 --> 02:17:06,480
Starship maybe you look like it. It's actually conveying more traffic and is a little bit more of a of a priority just by the sheer length in miles

1601
02:17:06,480 --> 02:17:12,260
That it's congested for versus the forecast for even ferry is not quite as bad in that manner

1602
02:17:12,660 --> 02:17:13,020
Anything

1603
02:17:17,850 --> 02:17:18,170
else?

1604
02:17:21,690 --> 02:17:22,330
Thank you, sir.

1605
02:17:27,080 --> 02:17:32,000
That next up we're showing a closed session there, Mr. Counselor, and I know you're okay.

1606
02:17:32,500 --> 02:17:33,120
No such thing.

1607
02:17:34,140 --> 02:17:34,700
Well, very good.

1608
02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:36,480
Thank you all for seeing you.

1609
02:17:36,520 --> 02:17:37,140
Thank you, Mr. Harrington.

1610
02:17:37,300 --> 02:17:37,560
Nice work.

1611
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:38,220
Nice job.

1612
02:17:38,860 --> 02:17:39,140
Thank you.

1613
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:40,600
Thank you for putting that together.

1614
02:17:40,920 --> 02:17:42,200
It was a great presentation.

1615
02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:45,520
We got a lot to look at and sniff over for next week.

1616
02:17:47,380 --> 02:17:48,360
I don't feel the transportation.

1617
02:17:48,620 --> 02:17:53,080
I know a lot was thrown at you there, but I know this is a really important topic for the

1618
02:17:53,080 --> 02:17:54,160
the entire council and the mayor.

1619
02:17:54,900 --> 02:17:56,460
We thought this was a great opportunity tonight

1620
02:17:56,460 --> 02:17:59,080
with Ms. Galas and thank you for being here again

1621
02:17:59,580 --> 02:18:01,080
to kind of cover all these elements

1622
02:18:01,080 --> 02:18:02,280
to give you that full picture.

1623
02:18:02,540 --> 02:18:04,220
So thank you for your patience on that.

1624
02:18:05,220 --> 02:18:06,720
Very good, nothing else.

1625
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:07,500
We get a motion.

1626
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:08,860
Motion to adjourn, second.

1627
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:09,420
All in favor?

1628
02:18:09,860 --> 02:18:10,220
All right.

1629
02:18:19,750 --> 02:18:21,030
Who's there when we tell people

1630
02:18:21,030 --> 02:18:22,070
that it's going to be 29.

1631
02:18:22,390 --> 02:18:23,030
I think we're going to do that.

1632
02:18:23,610 --> 02:18:24,790
It's going to be 29.

1633
02:18:25,770 --> 02:18:26,210
It's going to be 39.

1634
02:18:32,010 --> 02:18:35,110
Thank you very much.