They're called the meeting to order. I'd like everybody to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and followed by a moment of silence. Thank you.
Roll call. Yes, thank you. Commissioner Whitmore. Here. Commissioner Seustette. Here. Commissioner Schaefer. Here. Commissioner Morton is noted absent with excuse and Chair Diggins. Here.
All right, the first item on the agenda,
we have a very long agenda today, so lengthy agenda.
So when we do have comments,
and I'd like you to keep them as concise
as to the point as possible.
Thank you.
We want to approve the minutes
from the work session, October 22nd,
regular meeting November 19th,
and the special meeting on November 26th.
Do I have a motion to approve?
Move approval as submitted.
I have a second.
I'll second.
The motion has been, Stacey, is there any discussion?
Okay,
I scored the trifecta today, Stacey.
Mr. Schaefer?
Aye.
Commissioner Susten?
Aye.
Mr. Whitmore?
Aye.
Chair Dickens?
Aye.
All right, the next commission report, any reports from any of the commissioners?
We'll start with Carol Ligmore.
I'm not on it, but the mayor's going to point me on it.
I just wanted to thank publicly, since it's under reports,
the community center for stepping up for literally
all three cities and actually people from towns.
First time in my entire life, I've ever
taken anything for free.
And I actually felt guilty, had a hard time.
I met a lot of people from home speech there.
And I just think we should publicly thank them
and maybe have the mayor recognize them for them going about or helping everybody literally.
So anyway, you can talk about that later, but I wanted to publicly thank them for stepping
up.
Thank you.
Harold.
Sister?
I stopped in today and spoke with Code Enforcement as the LAAs on.
I tried to bring their voice to the meetings.
They're back running.
They're in a very small confined space because they lost their office.
that they are up they have been canvassing the area they have found quite a
number of non-certified people working as contractors and they brought them in to
either get them registered certified contractors or they left the city. Nate
is back on his detective run so he's out making sure that everyone is
advertising and being up to date on all the code. The enforcement of the different ordinances
had been a little lax because of all the other responsibilities they assumed outside of code
compliance. But now we have a new magistrate so the special magistrate meetings will begin again
and code is up and running and in force.
Thank you.
Jerry, any comments?
I attended the Minnesota League of Cities meeting that was held on December 12th.
The primary purpose was to discuss replacement of a very long-serving,
very effective administrative coordinator by the name of Gail Leffler.
Gale had submitted her resignation a couple of months ago and because of the
storm she agreed to continue on until all cities could get back on their feet
and discuss the replacement.
Longboat Key has minimal space and has asked the
League to relocate all of the meetings for the past several years long
long before I was the liaison, have been held at Longboat Key, which makes sense because
for those of you not necessarily familiar with the League of Cities, it's comprised of
the nine cities that are located within Manatee and Sarasota counties.
That board has one representative each.
So Longboat Key was kind of the middle point in that the northernmost city is Palmetto.
The southernmost is Northport.
So that was part of the discussion. Charlie Salem and I were asked to draft a revised
job description along with an ad for the position. And once complete applicants will be given
a couple of weeks to respond, at which time a panel of four members of the Minnesota League
of Cities will review applications and begin interviews. A recommendation will be made
at the January 23rd meeting in order to make an offer to one of the applicants.
I'm an hourly rates were finalized for the position and new members were introduced.
Charlie Salem, a new member representing Anna Maria, Demetrius, Johnson of Northport,
and Nick Pechota, mayor of Northport, Dmitrius from, I didn't write his city down, I'm sorry, I missed that.
Anyway, three new members representing the member of a nine-member board.
The city of Sarasota offered as a potential meeting place following their commission's approval.
The alternative of the nine city will be a nine city rotation which was discussed
and will be decided upon at a future meeting.
We also discussed legislative priorities.
Home speech was the only list that had been completed at that time
and all members were asked to submit to the league their respective legislative priorities for 2025.
The next meeting again was set for January 23rd.
Next Judy and I have had several discussions regarding a meeting with Will Robinson concerning
the Opaga report and there's certainly interest on all, on behalf of all three cities to
meet mayors and others to discuss that situation when it is revealed to us and Judy
I think it's going to follow up on a perspective date.
Also met with Judy to discuss, you might remember having been here in a multitude of volunteers
many of whom are here today, we've composed a letter of thank you noting just an incredible
outpouring of the community from within and without.
I know the Chief has reported previously, in addition to the 32 different police departments
that came to our aid, there were many civic organizations, individuals that stepped forward
for our city and for others, and for that reason we've composed a letter which commissioners
and the mayor are signing today.
I also want to report, we will be presenting our legislative priorities at the Manatee
County Delegation Meeting on January 9th.
This is an opportunity for each city and each county to come forward with their legislative
priorities, which are essentially suggestions to delegate members from both counties of
consideration of legislation having to do with each city. We've also had
discussion with the other two cities and it makes sense to have some commonality
of those items which we can include on our respective to include on all three
cities in the future legislative priorities starting next year. So with
With that, I think it would result in a more cohesive island approach to legislative priorities
in addition to individual city's request at that time.
And with that, Secretary, nothing enough for me to report, and I'll turn it over to the
mayor to give the state of the city.
Thank you.
And what a city it has, what a year it has been.
Over here.
Okay, it is my privilege to share with you the state of the city report for the City of Homes Beach.
We have again accomplished much this year.
I would like to express my sincere gratitude and appreciation to all staff for their preparation
and recovery efforts from this past hurricane season.
Although I had hoped we would have once again dodged a bullet,
it was this year that our resiliency was tested by not one but three major storms.
I am extremely proud of the resolve of our city staff and of the entire community in
the commendable efforts made in getting our city cleaned up, our streets and sidewalks
safe, and many of our businesses back opened.
Our citizens and business owners and island churches experienced a tremendous loss.
This will take years to recover from.
I urge all to support our island community by shopping locally as this
will go a long way in supporting their recovery. I also encourage all to continue
lending a hand to your neighbor as they work to rebuild their homes. They are
still experiencing the heartache from losing all their possessions and the
suffering could be with them for a very long time. I once again urge all
property owners to take remediation efforts as you rebuild as climate change
will continue to play a significant role in the intensity of future storms.
Helene was a major flooding event that created a tremendous amount of
household and construction debris. This city has removed 125,000 cubic yards of
debris from the roadways. In fact, I think it's up to 127,000. This was one of the largest
efforts in history of all island cities, and it was a tremendous effort by our contracted
debris haulers, debris monitors, and our public work staff. We can meet the state
deadlines for 100% reimbursement, and I am thankful that the approximate $5 million
and debris recovery costs alone will not be borne on the backs of the taxpayers.
The debris removal objective was only one of many objectives of Dress Daily
in the city's response and recovery efforts.
The city provided for the safety of its citizens and public employees
to expedite the return of our property owners and their contractors in record time.
We opened City Hall immediately post hurricane to assist all in need.
We facilitated the restoration of public utilities.
We supported the comfort station and emergency supplies at the island library.
We maintained clear and effective communication internally and externally between city, county, state, and the public.
We completed rapid and substantial damage assessments ensuring proper documentation was collected for recovery.
identified long-term planning needs to include staff rest, work cycles, with the
assistance of mutual aid from all over the country. We coordinated with county,
state, and federal partners on external assessment teams available
recovery resources and accompanying public messaging. We ensured volunteer
hours and donations were appropriately documented when utilized. We immediately
launched a no-fee expedited permitting and extended hours in the building
department to assist in the recovery efforts of our businesses and property
owners. We are currently monitoring the status of red tide to implement an
incident action plan and resources if necessary.
I thank the entire EOC team
and the Commission for their support in our ability to meet these objectives.
We worked hard over the years developing a comprehensive emergency
management plan, and it was tested. Although I rest better at night knowing
we successfully accomplished this mission, let's all hope and pray that Mother
Nature will give us a reprieve next hurricane season. Now for notable updates
on departments and in my attempt to shorten this address, which is quite
difficult, I'll only be commenting on key points. I am pleased to say the
Development Services Department, which includes the building, planning, zoning, and code compliance
are running exceptionally smoothly on their day-to-day work, and we're also key players
in our recovery efforts. Legislative work included changes to our commercial zone districts,
sign code, noise ordinance, accessory structures, fences, pools, encroachments, and seaside
gardens non-conformities. The building department issued just under 2,000 permits of which 755
were issued in the last eight weeks alone. They have completed just under 3,500 inspections.
A lot has been happening in our city. Chad Miner performed the duties of plan section
chief during the recovery efforts. Neal Schwartz is our safety officer. Kim Charan,
She wore a lot of hats. She was our resource unit leader, our documentation unit leader,
our situation unit leader, and our liaison officer.
James Thomas, our Compliance Chief, reported to duty each day, along with his team,
checking on the welfare of our citizens and business owners while also
Also assisting in performing damage assessments.
In February, Kim Charon, who serves on the legislative committee with the Florida Association of Code
Enforcement, traveled to Tallahassee where she assisted a delegation team who met with
staff from Governor DeSantis' office to discuss SB 280 and House Bill 1537.
This would have preempted the regulation of vacation rentals to the state and further
limited home rule. This delegation presented evidence and facts to support
how the bill would negatively impact local municipalities and restrict
home rule. Although this bill did eventually pass, it was later vetoed by
the governor. Now for public works, I would like to thank Saje Kamia and the
entire public works team for all they do for our city. The physical work
Work performed by this department day in and day out and in the summer heat and on top
of that the added workload in the hurricane recovery did not go unnoticed.
We received many accolades from our community as to how much they appreciate their kindness
and their hard work.
As operation section chief for recovery, Saje Kamia did an outstanding job leading the
recovery efforts.
Our logistics section chief Lindsey Sherwood was also instrumental in meeting our daily objectives.
Lindsey has been promoted to project supervisor and is to be acknowledged for recently passing the state fundamentals of engineering exam.
The six hour exam is ministered by the National Council examiners for engineers in surveying,
and he's essentially the first of three steps required to be a licensed professional engineer in Florida.
She is now formally referred to as an engineer intern as approved by the Florida Board of
Professional Engineers. We are very proud of Lindsay and look forward to watching her
progress in her engineering career.
I surprised you on that one Lindsay.
Resiliency is a major challenge for Barrier Island communities in the efforts this team has made
in our HMGP, SWIFT MUD, ARPA, and state appropriation stormwater capital improvement projects is
commendable. Our current projects include citywide vulnerability assessment through
the FDEP, Florida Resilient Planning Grant, which will identify needs for future funding
opportunities. We're under-designed for a Florida Resiliency
Capital Improvement Project, which will improve resiliency on Gulf Drive between
Homes Boulevard and Marina Drive by adding stormwater infrastructure along this corridor.
We're currently working on an FHWA Safe Streets for All action plan funded by the US DOT.
We've completed our phase FG and I stormwater improvements. We've upgraded 20 road crossings
throughout the city. We completed the new grassy point boardwalk. We resurfaced 22 roadways.
We finalize designation of over 500 beach parking spaces.
The Public Works crew are continuing their maintenance and improvements of all city parks,
right-of-ways, storm soils, infiltration, inlets, outfalls, as well as repairing sidewalks
and maintaining landscaping.
Our city park improvements this year included the resurfacing of the tennis courts
and the replacement of the fencing.
These improvements were donated by the Hagan Foundation.
We have identified priority flood prone areas which included feedback from our stormwater community workshop.
These are currently under-designed for current and future funding opportunities and include improvements and the addition of stormwater infrastructures to alleviate flooding in these areas.
We're continuing the replacement and upsizing of failing pipes, inlets, boxes, and outfalls,
which include the addition and replacements of critical tide valves throughout our city.
And we are currently making improvements to the Seaside Gardens storm infrastructure
over there at the Homes Beachboat ramp.
I once again thank the Christmas Elves for finding the time and making our city
magical this holiday season by the installation of our holiday lighting in
our city Christmas tree. Okay website and social media strategist Matt McDonough
continues to make improvements to our city website and is doing a great job
utilizing social media to educate all on the great things happening in our
city and of our Islanders for Clean Water campaign. Both sites have been
seen by thousands which just confirms how truly special this little slice of
paradise is to the world. Matt also assists me and our public information officer during
emergency response and as I mentioned at the last meeting, we have added another tool in
our toolbox by providing text alerts to our citizens during these incidents. This will
allow them to receive area-specific storm response and recovery updates. City Treasurer
Julie Marcotte. She took the ball and ran with it. She is a central part of the
team and she's doing a most commendable job managing the budgets, payables, payroll,
and our audits. She is a true asset to the city and the fact that she came on
with very limited training preceding two catastrophic storm events and is
still here today says a lot about her resilience and her commitment to our
City. Julie is performing the duties of finance section chief during our
recovery effort.
This department I would like to thank the chief for another year
in keeping us safe. Chief Tokinger is the operation section chief and public
information officer for our response team and he did a tremendous job in our
hurricane response. His officers continue to put their lives on the line each day
for our residents and guests and I thank them for their service.
City Clerk's Office. I thank Stacey and Michelle for all they do for the city. Their customer
skills have been tested these past couple of months and I appreciate the kindness they
showed the community and they're willing to assist the commission in all departments.
I don't think anyone wanted to answer all those phone calls but you all did and you
did a tremendous job. They are a true asset to the community and to the city.
Human resources, Maureen Glove continues to do an outstanding job assisting all employees
with benefits, needs, and certifications.
The extra hours and commitment made by her and her continued willingness to do whatever
is asked is appreciated more than she will ever know.
As Mayor, I continue to stand strong in my belief that all natural resources have
limits in human capacity and out of respect for our waters, beaches, and the wildlife
I will continue to urge all to reduce their impacts.
I also stand strong in my beliefs that the City of Homes Beach is a treasure
because leaders have respected the comprehensive plan
and worked hard to make sure that the city continues to be a beautiful place to visit
and a wonderful place to live.
We provide balance in a community made up of many competing elements.
We have done this by understanding the value of quality of life
and the value in protecting our residential community and our natural resources.
I would like to thank the commissioners. These accomplishments couldn't have happened without your support.
And to the staff, your energy and kindness has not gone unnoticed.
I would like to congratulate Congressman Buchanan, Representative Will Robinson, Commissioner Chair George Cruz,
our district representative commissioner Tal Siddique and our other newly elected
county commissioners. I look forward to working with them and Senator Boyd this
next year as we continue to keep home speech a home we are all proud of. Thank
you again it has been an honor to serve and I look forward to more years
serving the citizens of home speech.
Thank you mayor it's really nice to see
the public works department here. You guys have worked long and hard hours for two months.
They've acted normal now, Saje, as far as normal hours? Almost, okay. You guys cleaned up this
city very well. It looked like an impossible task at first, but you did a great job. Thank
you. Now, the next thing on the agenda is liaison appointments by the mayor.
Okay, you all have them in your packets, our 2024-25 lays on appointments.
This is where you attend the certain meetings, you come back and you bring the information
to the commissioners.
I don't know if you're still going to ask them to put it in writing so we don't have
lengthy discussions before our meeting.
But our commissioner, Dan Diggins, will be the Island Transportation Planning Organization
and also Tourist Development Council.
Commissioner Pat Morton is buildings and grounds, roads, bridges, drainage, canals, and erosion,
and he's also recycling and solid waste.
Commissioner Terry Schaefer is AMI Elementary, the Clean Water Ad Hoc Committee, the Legislative Liaison.
He's our Minnesota League of Cities, Manatee County Council of Governments, and the Police Pension Board.
Commissioner Carol Seustich is code enforcement, grassy point preserve, planning commission, and recreation beautification, and parks.
And Commissioner Carol Whitmore is Annemarie Island Chamber of Commerce, the barrier island election officials, and she's the alternate for the legislative and the center of Annemarie Island.
And I thank you all for this assistance.
That any questions from any of the commissioners on it here
When I met with the mayor just if other commissioners attend there is one lays on that represents the board
But any commissioner can attend any other meetings. Mm-hmm. And that's the way it's always been, right?
Because I know at the county of governments there are used to be two or three home speech commissioners in different various cities
They would all show not just one and they still do
Okay, thanks
Next item on the agenda is city board or commission board and committee.
Recognitions.
I should put my glasses on.
Stacy, you guys.
Yep.
Hello, everybody.
I've got a great crowd.
This is a fun time because we get to recognize our citizens and some of our board members for serving us for this year.
It takes a group effort to come up with some of the awards that the Mayor will be presenting,
but I have a couple of them I'm going to do.
Every year we honor and recognize our commissioners or the members of committees
who are no longer serving on that committee.
They have left the committee for some reason, many times they leave town.
We only had one this year.
So that says a lot for the stability of our members of our committee.
So we've been very lucky.
We don't have any openings on the committees, which if you are interested in ever serving,
please apply because you never know when we might have one.
But this year we have one, and that is Jim McDaniel.
Unfortunately, he was unable to be here for this meeting.
But Jim McDaniel was a former director of development of the Center of the...
Sure, thank you. Jim McDaniel was former development director for the Center of Anne Maria.
And he served on our city's Clean Water Ad Hoc Committee.
He served from September 2021 through March 2024.
And he was an excellent member of the committee.
He also served as vice chair and I just give him a round of applause for just being here
and participating with that group.
Now we have a former city commissioner.
May I ask Commissioner Kirchner to come down please?
We
hated to lose Greg.
He is such a great guy.
This special recognition goes to former city commissioner Greg Kirchner who served one term on the city commission
from 2022 through 2024.
And a little bit of history about his tenure with the city.
He first began serving the city in July of 2019 when he was
appointed to fill the unexpired term of long-term planning
commission member, Sylvia Harris.
And she was more than happy to relinquish her title.
And then a year later, he was in 2020, he was appointed
as a planning commissioner's chair.
He served that board very well. He was an amazing chair for two years, if I do say so myself.
They reviewed numerous land development code changes while serving
and he led the board through the entire comprehensive plan rewrite.
He was fortunate to see the comprehensive plan to his final adoption
and I would say that we're very proud of it and I think he probably is too
and we thank the commission for approving that.
In 2022 then Commissioner Kirchner took a leap of faith, leap of something he says and ran as City Commissioner and he won.
He has been an outstanding City Commissioner while serving the City of Homes Beach and I personally and I think everyone here can say he did.
A fine service for our city. Thank you, Commissioner Kirchner. I hope you will come back and serve
again.
And who knows, we may have an opening on the Friday Commission someday again.
And
now I'm going to turn it over to our wonderful Mayor.
Slip one end.
Our police department did win a small agency Outstanding Crime Prevention
unit of the year award and I'd like to share it with the public. I'll say a
little thing about it. It's the Home Speech Police Department on a regular day
the city has approximately 15,000 to 20,000 residents and visitors. On
weekends and holidays the city can see a population increase of 30,000 to 50,000
people along a 3.5 mile stretch of Annemarie Island. The city is
patrolled by a sergeant and two officers at any time. The agency has a total of 18 sworn
officers, including the chief of police.
The Crime Prevention Unit of the Homespeech Police
Department is just one of the great divisions formed with only three members, a sergeant
who also works as a patrol supervisor, one detective, and a single-code compliance officer.
The Crime Prevention Unit is tasked with providing various presentations and classes
services to the community, CEPTED surveys, and the planning city and agency events.
Some of the significant events this year have included coffee with a cop, ice cream with
a cop, bike education safety events, Snook Adams Day beach cleanups, City Hall forums
where residents meet the officers in hurricane preparedness.
Active shooter presentations to residents and businesses cooked during school events
Chief's Grill Team and our biggest plan city event held in December which was the
Slave Bell Social last year. Now if Mount Titsworth would ever go away we could
have that event again.
The Crime Prevention Unit also partners and works
events with Keep Manatee Beautiful, West Manatee Fire Rescue, Manatee County
Bridging the Gap, Manatee County Safety Coalition and Kiwanis Club and
the Salvation Army. Okay, Sergeant, where are you? Where's Josh? There you are, come
here.
Okay,
okay. Our next one is our Employee of the Year.
This year's Employee of the Year
was selected for being a key team member in an integral part of keeping our city government
working. They are Quince essential. Quince essential. Thanks, Ajay. Could you pick a bigger word?
I know. Quince essential behind the scenes employee who never asked to be recognized and preferred
to do their job without even being noticed. When this individual is out of this office,
their absence does not go without notice. As one of our long-standing employees with
over 12 years of service to the City of Holmes Beach, our employee of the year has received
the Public Works Employee of the Month on several occasions. He never shies away from
a problem and is always willing to help a fellow co-worker or to develop a solution
to a new problem. You'll often find him up to his elbows and mud fixing a sprinkler
in city field or up to his waist in trash or worse cleaning a comfort station.
Where this individual excels, though, is his desire to serve the city and the city co-workers.
Among numerous other duties, he's always willing to help with table setup or changing the city hall sign message
without ever complaining and never fails to greet each day with a smile.
Please help me congratulate this year's employee of the year, Public Works crew leader, Mike Capella.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
That was good.
This goes to my whole crew.
Everybody's leaving. Cover's blown.
They came just for you.
Okay, next is our community
partner.
and and this is this is something we do each year for if there's a business or
person or an organization that just goes above and beyond and contributes to the
City of Homes Beach the city is very pleased this year to once again honor the
Hagan Family Foundation for their continued support of the community and
helping to make a difference in our community and fortunately we do not
have a representative in attendance to accept the award, but we will be sending it to them.
This year the Hagan Foundation was responsible for all the improvements that was made on
the tennis courts. They got resurfaced, they're getting new fencing, and I believe we also
did fencing at the pickleball courts. So a lot of the improvements in our city
field is all thanks to the Hagan Foundation.
The
other thing we're doing with our community partnership award is, we, did anyone realize
we had a couple of storms and these storms brought out some of the worst in people but
it really brought out more of the good and the good did not go unnoticed.
I mean we were, we would get here hungry, we would get here tired and the amount of
people that came forward from all over the county, the state, it was just it was
amazing. That first hot meal do you remember when we had that we were eating
so many cold cats and cheese and buns and donuts and when we first got that
first hot meal it was it was pretty exciting. So I have a list that I want
want to read. What we have done, coins,
these are, a
lot of them didn't, you know, had messed
up homes themselves, but they came out and they gave back. And so we are sharing that
challenge coins to everybody so they can also have something.
Yeah. Oh, go ahead and pass
them out. The whole audience. We finally have people in our chambers. This is awesome.
You deserve a coin.
What if they don't live?
Salvation Army. They had hot dogs and meals at Hancock.
Haley Driscott, Mission Barbecue.
Mark Juno, Coastal Conservation Association from Louisiana.
The Livingston chapter. 2,500 meals.
4 pallets of water, cleaning supplies, pet food, towels, socks, generators, maintenance
supplies, you name it. Paul Clement, ice, water, and 1,500 meals. Lori Wagner, 15
pizzas for PD officers. Bayside Church, 80 meals. Slicker's eatery, 20 meals.
Itchak in Madeleine, Levy, Levy, Isaac,
it's not what it says, oh, 700 burgers, Operation
Burger Relief, 8,800 meals, that was amazing, Hurricane Hanks, lunch to first responders
in the city staff. Pizzanos, 200 meals. Bridge Church, they came to City Hall and supplied
100 meals. Florin Decor, 200 meals. Guy Fiori Foundation, Food for City Workers and First
Responders. The Doctor's Office, Sean Murphy, the Hurricane Recovery Get-Together.
From
the community. We had a Mission Barbecue meal that was sponsored. How many meals? Greg, are
you still here? He left. Was that 2,000 meals? 1,000 meals? Greg and Kathy Kirschner. There
was an anonymous donor, Carol Seustich, Dan Diggins, Terry and his wife. Chuck and Carol
Bode, Bodie, Joseph Ireland and Denise Pepperd, Robert and Jody Malini, Joe and Nancy Tynan
and also Mission Barbecue.
Debris cleanup, Keep Manatee Beautiful, Milton Crew from Santa Rosa.
They helped with public works.
They really appreciated that assistance.
Joe Hansen Bond, he worked with answering phones.
Jacksonville Fire Department, Keith Powers and Fire Chief.
FDOT operations, FDOT district secretary, Manatee County, state EOC, FDEM, CDR logistics,
and Woodruff and Sons also supplied back trucks.
Texas A&M, Manatee County Beach Patrol,
and West Manatee Fire and Rescue District. We had police agencies.
The Ventura Police Department, Bal Harbor Village Police Department, Braden Police
Coral Gables Police Department, Edgewater, Florida Highway Patrol, Fort Walton Beach,
Golden Beach, Gulf Breeze, Homestead, Key Biscayne, Lynn Haven, Manatee County Sheriff's, Miami
Beach, Miami Police, Miami Shores, Miami Springs, Miami-Dade, Mikosuke, New College.
What, are we that terrible out here?
That's a lot of police, and I'm not done.
New College, North Miami Beach, Ocala Police Department, Opaloka, Opaloka, Opalocki, Opalocki,
Almeto Police, Panama City Beach, Panama City Police, Pensacola Police, Pinecrest Police,
Port St. Joe Police, South Miami Police, Tallahassee Police Department, and West Miami Police Department.
These police departments are on 24-7.
So everyone had to change out shifts, so everyone got their sleep.
And it was just a tremendous outpouring of mutual aid.
And we plan on giving back as well.
But they will all be getting these challenge coins.
And if I left anyone off, which I'm sure I did, please reach out to the city clerk
so we can also give them challenge coins as well.
And I will supply each of you some, a handful of each.
So when you meet somebody and you remember they were a big help and a friend of the city please share those with them as well
Wait,
I have a citizen of the year
my favorite
Louie strict incident citizen of the year who remembers Louie from Publix
Okay, more people are going to remember Louie from Publix
Everybody knew Louie and Louie knew everybody and we all got those great wet kisses. We just Louie was amazing
He really loved the city, he loved the community, and I don't think I've ever met a kinder man.
So when it was time to come up with our Citizen of the Year, I said who better to name it
after than Louis Strickland.
This year's Citizen of the Year has been an integral part of Helms Beach community for
many years.
This individual has been so supportive of the city staff and community by partnering
with local organizations, advocating for local causes, and donating resources.
All core values that fosters a positive inclusive environment and promotes growth and well-being in our community.
I'm very pleased to announce that the 2024 Citizen of the Year is Sean Murphy.
To name a few things about Sean and his association with the city,
Sean has served on the police pension board since December 2002.
You should have seen how good I looked at him.
In 2018 he was elected to serve on the 2019 Charter
Preview Commission, serving as their vice chair. Sean participated with the writing of several
revisions to the city's charter. He has organized numerous St. Patty Day parades, enjoyed by thousands
from all around the world. How many of those did you do?
Twenty. Oh my gosh, yes. This year, Sean assisted me with the Florida Mayor's Association's
quarterly meeting. It was held at the doctor's office garden where he opened up his garden
Well his little
That one little garden room space in the morning and served his breakfast. It was amazing. It was the most delicious breakfast
He is also hosted at two after hurricane parties at the doctor's office garden
For the citizens everything was free. That was amazing. I attended one of those
While this is only a few of Sean's participation with the city of Holmes Beach
I would like to say Sean is also just an all-around kind and giving citizen and man and absolutely
deserves being this year's citizen of the year.
I'm just grateful to everybody that the mayor already thanked.
I'll mention JT in particular so he gets three times he gets mentioned.
My family have lived in this island for 40 years.
I cannot imagine a better place, a safer place.
This has been a great place to live in, and it's the city, the commissioners that did a thankless job,
and all of the city workers that have made it that way for me for a very, very long time.
I'm grateful. This is seasoning.
Thank you all very, very much. It means a great deal to me.
I'm going to entrust it to J.T. for safe keeping because he's got the other one.
J.T., you're making out pretty well today, aren't you?
All right, next on the agenda, comments from the public.
We're going to have a public hearing in a little while to deal with a site plan.
Anything, any comments that you have for that will occur during the public hearing.
Anybody have any comments about any subject other than the site plan?
I see none.
We'll move on to the next agenda item, which is Unfinished Business.
Mr. Chair.
Yes.
You may want to recognize former County Administrator Sherry Corey's in the audience.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Congratulations, all of us.
Thank you for attending.
Thank you.
She was hiding behind somebody.
All right.
Thank you, Carol.
We don't have any unfinished business, so we'll go into new business, and it's the Federal Disaster Loan Program Revolving Options, and that'll be presented by Ms. Nunez.
Thank you.
My name is Anna Nunez. I am the Public Affairs Specialist for the U.S. Small Business Administration, Office of Disaster Recovery and Resilience.
A couple of weeks ago I was in Virginia with 15 degree weather and with snow and so it blew
my mind to come here to see the beach.
I'm also here as a disaster survivor.
I am from Houston, Texas and no first hand.
The difficulty and challenges of hurricanes, tropical storms and flooding, please know that
and my heart is with you because I understand.
First, I wanna thank you.
I wanna thank the city of Holmes Beach
for allowing me to share this information
with your constituents about the
Presidential Florida Declaration for both
Hurricanes Milton and Hurricane Helene.
But before I go on, I really wanna thank
Ms. Stacy Johnston, city clerk for her excellence
and her perseverance.
Apparently, I don't know, I've already contacted her IT, but her emails were bouncing back and
she was trying to confirm me and I still showed up, so I'm glad that this worked out, but
she A for effort.
So thank you for coordinating the SBA to allow us to present today.
In times of disaster, the SBA helps businesses, non-profit organizations, home owners,
and renters with their uninsured or under-insured disaster-related losses.
You do not have to own a business to apply for an SBA disaster loan.
Your city falls within Manatee County, which was declared a primary county
in the Florida Presidential Disaster Declarations,
and you are eligible for both physical and economic injury disaster loans from the SBA.
Before going forward, folks, I've left a whole bunch of flyers on the outside on the desk,
so you can get more information.
So, very quickly, Manatee County residents can apply for three types of SBA disaster loans.
One is a business physical damage loan for up to $2 million to cover physical damage and financial losses.
A home disaster loan for up to $500,000 to cover damage to primary residents and up to $100,000 for homeowners and renters
to replace disaster damaged personal properties such as your clothing, furniture,
appliances, and vehicles. Finally, the economic injury disaster loans for up to
two million dollars to help small businesses and nonprofits to meet
ordinary and necessary financial obligations. Some benefits of an SBA
disaster loan is there is no fee to apply for an SBA low fixed interest rate
loans with terms up to 30 years no payment and no interest for 12 months no
need to wait for insurance to settle before applying funds are also available
to build back better and protect as the mayor said against future disasters
These are called mitigation loans.
Folks who are offered an SBA disaster loan are also under no obligation to take the loan,
and you have 60 days to decide whether to accept.
We recommend apply.
The SBA Business Recovery and Assessment Center, there is one, I know it's a little far,
but it is in Tampa and is open and it is a one-stop business assistant center where
folks can stop by and get information but that doesn't mean we cannot help all
these constituents here. We invite folks if they want to come to that center. It's
open Monday through Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. and Saturday 9 to 2. However, folks
can anyone can easily apply by visiting SBA.gov forward slash disaster or
calling 1-800-659-2955 and again flyers are outside so you can get the
information. So this is the most important part. The application deadline
For physical damage loans has been extended to January the 7th of 2025.
The deadline application for economic injury disaster loans is July the 11th, 2025.
So those are two key dates.
We respectfully request the City of Holmes Beach Commissioners,
Please provide this information to your constituents. We welcome a list of businesses that perhaps I'm going to step back
I know in Texas. I've heard you know business. I even heard it in Virginia. Well other folks
Need it more than me. No
We we want to help everyone if there are businesses if there are areas that you need us to specially target
We will we are here to help and partner with you
We would want to also partner folks with unmet needs to score business mentoring,
small business development centers and other resources.
Please invite us to any upcoming meetings or presentations, workshops.
We are here to help provide working capital loans for small businesses
and nonprofits that were not able to meet their financial obligations.
We are here to help and we really want to thank you for your important partnership
because you are trusted leaders in your community to get the word out
and thank you for working together for disaster recovery.
Thank you.
Yes, sir.
Can you take some questions?
Yes, sir.
The question is, in my former life, our organization was an SBA lender,
but if I understand you properly, these go directly to SB and not through a commercial bank.
Correct.
Okay, that's great. I think the awareness of this at a time like this of these resources is tremendous
and I would suggest we get this information to the businesses in our community, duplicate this
and send it to the businesses in our community and also share it with them.
I think Carol's the new liaison for the Chamber of Counties.
I'm sure the Chamber has a synchronization of objectives as well.
So today, I'm actually responsible for Manatee County.
I did reach out to the Chamber, and I forwarded all the chambers that are in my jurisdiction.
So I've also emailed, I'll figure it out.
I called IT already, and we're going to figure this out.
But she has all the materials electronically that can be easily shared, including today.
There is another flyer on mitigation.
So we want to help build back better and protect our communities.
So I have to say and then I'm going to leave.
I have, this is one of the warmest commissioner meetings I've ever attended.
And I've been through many states and many, many counties.
and you all feel like family.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
Because it's such an important topic,
does anybody from the public have a question for Anna?
Go ahead.
You've got to come up here.
Yeah.
You want to be on TV?
You also answer the question,
what interests the loans are.
A lot of people want to know that.
I
do have a flyer on that,
and I will forward that again.
I will give you more specific information.
We are at a lower interest rates.
It varies on businesses and homeowners and for funding we are and waiting because Congress
has to, they're not in session and they have to refund us but the way we are working is
that if you, we need to get everyone to apply and if you're already in the queue, approve,
first come, first serve and so that is who we are going to then extend the funding
to.
So it's important for you to get approved and apply and then you know the new year is coming
And I will give you additional information and follow up
Thank you
Gail Tatum's
67th Street, so
You peak my interest when you said renters were eligible
What do you have to be a US citizen because I know people from both Canada and Germany is that requirement?
I believe that you have to be a US citizen
the public hearing right now and we'll entertain comments during the public hearing.
This is about the Holmes Beach Island Bazaar and Miniature Golf site plan and I'll open the public meeting at this time
Well, so he opened the public hearing which is fine, so yeah, he's got a cheat sheet
So we open the public hearing and then we'll go ahead
Resolution 24-13, a resolution of the city of Holmes Beach, Florida approving a site plan
and special exception requests for the properties located at 5327 and 5325 Gulf Drive, Holmes
Beach, Florida 34217 within the C3 slash mixed use overlay district owned by Island Bazaar
Gulf Drive LLC. To allow for a multi-use commercial facility consisting of retail, indoor and outdoor
restaurant dining, miniature golf, arcade, tour boat, and ice cream shop, and associated improvements.
And approving a special exception for an outdoor recreation facility and amplified music at the
properties located at 5327 and 5325 Gulf Drive Holmes Beach, Florida 34217,
owned by Island Bazaar Gulf Drive LLC, providing for conditions of approval,
providing for findings of fact, providing for recording of documents, providing for
severability, and providing for an effective date.
Thank you. Are there any
commission comments? Exparte? I have Exparte. I was in the audience but
wasn't elected at the point when you had the first meeting regarding this. I
don't think it was formal meeting, but I left because I knew if I got elected
that I'd be voting on it.
Also, I met with the chief before I was elected
and we just mentioned this issue
and then somebody sent me a message on Facebook,
wanted me to comment on this issue
and I just wrote, you know, now that I'm on the commission
it's ex parte communication, so I can't make any comments.
So I screenshot it, the comments in my answer
and I forward it to my city, you know.
Oh,
I did have ex parte communication
with the resident of the city last night concerning amplified music and he just
closed who the resident was that you had that's pretty sure. And
now
we'd ask the
applicant for a presentation.
And just for a reminder as we do have a new chair
and a new commissioner. For quasi-adjustable proceedings, the applicant will receive 20
minutes to do a presentation. That includes rebuttal time, so if you'd like to save any
time for rebuttal, please let me know, and I will be adhering to the timer.
I
brought a revised PowerPoint presentation.
The
screen's
on.
Mr.
Smith, how many, are there any significant changes in the new one?
I believe you'll find them significant.
No, I'm just saying what you brought.
Well, I was just going to focus
on the couple of sheets that I would
put.
And also, I know we have some folks in the audience that maybe have not seen that,
so I thought I would go through it and then, but emphasize obviously what you all were most interested in.
Keep in mind too just as a reminder and we've discussed this before anything that was presented at the workshop cannot be
Considered here today in light of the public hearing. So whatever you heard at the workshop guys
However, physically possible or mentally possible to is forget you heard it
Because you can only consider the evidence as presented here today at this public hearing
With that in mind, then I guess I'm starting over
Since you didn't really hear what I said last
They had the site plan in their package, yes, but he wants to know that specific changes
to the plan.
If it serves, staff could begin their presentation, and the applicant could follow up with theirs.
That would have to be okay with the applicant first.
That's fine.
Thank you.
Staff have a seat.
Mine's just an oral presentation.
Is that okay?
Okay.
Go ahead and have a seat.
You can get this figured out.
Talk while we get booted up here, okay?
Good afternoon, Chair of Members of the Commission,
Mayor, Chad Minor Director of Development Services.
Good afternoon, I'd like to enter into the record
the staff report, the attachment site plan
in the following presentation.
This is for resolution number 2413,
site plan outdoor dining and special exception requests
for the property located at 5327 and 5325 Golf Drive.
The applicant is requesting concurrent site plan, special exception, and outdoor dining
approval for development of a multi-use commercial facility consisting of retail, indoor and
outdoor restaurant dining, major golf, outdoor recreation, arcade, tour boat, and ice cream
shop and associated improvements.
Subject property is approximately 1.3 acres in size and is located at the northeast
corner of Marina and Gulf Drive intersection.
section. In conjunction with the site plan,
the applicant is requesting concurrent approval
for outdoor dining with a total of 26 outdoor seats for the restaurant use and a special
accession request for amplified outdoor music and outdoor recreation uses. The applicant's
original request included amplified music for both the outdoor dining area, which is
located on the second level, the multi-use building, and within the outdoor recreation
area or major golf course. Since the workshop that was held on September 24th,
2024, the applicant has revised the request and are asking for special
exception approval for amplified music only within the major golf course
outdoor recreation area and is not seeking amplified music in the outdoor
dining area. The request qualifies as a major site plan per the special
exception procedures within the line development code and staff has
evaluated all the requests concurrently as they were mutually dependent. A
bit of background on the site. Again, 1.3 acres. It's primarily maintained its current configuration
since the early 1960s. For decades, it's served as the Wells Fargo, a full-service banking facility
with drive-through lanes. Wells Fargo vacated the site in 2020, and since that time, the
property has been vacant. Some of the adjacent land uses are primarily consistent with the
C3 and C2 zoning districts to the north. We have Marina and Lodging, C3 and mixed-use overlay.
To the east we have retail restaurant and office uses again under our C3 mixed-use overlay.
To the south we have C2 mixed-use overlay consisting of bank and office uses and
then to the west we have C3 mixed-use overlay again with retail automotive service restaurant
not commercial office, a variety of uses to the West.
I wanna touch on some of the site plan review standards
that are used to evaluate these requests.
First one being traffic and access.
All access ways and vehicular pedestrian accesses
are functioning an adequate number in design and location.
They are not proposing any new transportation access
points.
The subject property and parking areas can be accessed
from both Gulf Drive and Marina Drive,
by utilizing the existing ingress and egress points.
The applicant has supplied a traffic impact analysis
prepared by VIP Engineering Inc.
that looked at the existing and background traffic conditions
as well as the total traffic conditions resulting
from the proposed development.
And the result is that they would not further degrade
our level of service standards of D and E
on the respectable roadways.
There are no additional ingress, egress points
that would require county or state involvement.
Circulation and parking.
As the site plan conveys,
There's a total of 93 off-street parking spaces
that'll be available along with 488 compliant spaces
and six golf cart spaces.
The property of several businesses
sharing the available parking is an anticipated
that families visiting the major golf
are most likely to visit the retail store,
ice cream shop and vice versa.
Based upon the owner's experience
in operating a major golf course,
one parking space per two holes
is justified as visitors to the property
are included in the parking calculations.
Since the city commission workshop,
The applicant has taken the opportunity to add an additional six golf cart parking spaces along the shared shopping driveway on the eastern side of the property.
The site will maintain most of its original on-site vehicular circulation as it existed with the bank.
The site plan proposes additional racks that will accommodate 36 bicycles.
There also exists a trolley stop directly adjacent to Marina Drive that will allow safe and convenient public transit and pedestrian access.
Based upon feedback from the City Engineer and City Commission, the applicant has provided
a direct connection from the existing 5-foot sidewalk along Marina Drive to the newly proposed
on-site crosswalk that will further enhance public safety for the transit users and
the pedestrians accessing the site by foot.
The site benefits from the new and existing sidewalks along the north side around the
boat basin, the south side of Gulf Drive and west side Marina Drive, which creates
its safe and convenient accessibility options.
The recent installation of lighted sidewalks
will also provide accessibility and safety
for those visiting the site on bicycle or foot.
The applicant is also dedicated
for the city engineer's request employee parking
in the first three spaces at the driveway
located at the corner of Gulf and Reiner Drive.
Creating employee only parking in this area
is intended to reduce the number of potential conflicts
between vehicles backing out of those spaces
and those vehicles entering from Gulf Drive.
The applicant has agreed, again, to dedicate those to employee parking only.
Landscaping in open space, approximately 13,000 square feet of Florida-friendly, Florida yard-friendly
landscaping is proposed.
The arrangement of the buildings, again, primarily, are similar configuration as they were in
the past, with the exception of a few additional outbuildings, which have been concentrated
towards the center of the site,
some more architectural features,
shade structures, et cetera.
Moving on as part of the criteria,
there is specific special exception review standards
that are looked at when utilizing
and reviewing these special exceptions requests.
One obviously is consistent with the comprehensive plan.
The staff report identifies the goals and policies
of the comprehensive plan that this supports
as well as its consistency with the commercial feature land use category and the C3 commercial
zoning district.
The applicant or the staff report goes in and addresses each of the criteria
utilized in evaluating special exceptions requests and finally the outdoor dining request is
the third component to this application. Per the land development code, the city commission
at a regular meeting may approve, approve with conditions or disapprove any requests for outdoor
dining. The outdoor dining located in this request is on the second story of the existing building
above the proposed retail shop. Based upon the analysis
Just as containing the staff report, staff has recommending approval of this request with
the following conditions. Should approval be granted by the city commission. Again, staff
is recommending the following conditions. Outdoor seating for the restaurant shall be
limited to 125 seats, 26 outdoor and 99 indoor. Unamplified outdoor music shall be limited
only in the outdoor dining area between the hours of noon and 10, Sunday through
Thursday and noon 11 Friday and Saturday they amplified outdoor music shall be
limited to only to the outdoor miniature golf course recreation area between
the hours of noon and 10 Sunday through Saturday and shall be subject to the
limitations in our city's noise ordinance outdoor storage of any kind
shall be prohibited on the present on the premises and then prior to
occupancy the applicant shall obtain a local business tax receipt noting the
number of indoor and outdoor seats and the applicant shall apply for a
building permit for the site improvements within 90 days
of adoption of resolution 2413.
With that, that includes staff's presentation
and analysis.
At this time, I believe the applicant is ready to present.
Maybe not.
Any questions for Chad?
Yeah, I have questions for staff.
And then if you can't answer them, then the applicant.
What you just stated was there was going to be
no amplified music in the restaurant upstairs, correct?
That's correct.
What about if you're going to a restaurant everywhere you go even around here they still
have like music playing but not amplified, is that still going to be allowed?
That's still allowed, yes.
And that is allowed under our outdoor dining regulations as well.
And for staff, do you determine that this is compatible with the surrounding uses?
Yes.
My analysis on the adjacent land uses earlier in the staff report lends itself to being
consistent with the mixed-use overlay that the adjacent land uses. This is our
downtown city center. This is consistent with that as well. And the zoning is C3
with multi-use overlay. Is that that is the same as before when it was a bank and
that's the same as what it's going to be with whatever physicist this is,
correct? I can't say commissioner if the C3 existed in 1960 when that bank was
No, didn't use it whatever you wanted.
But it has been C3 for quite some time.
Traffic, do you assume that this uses, well, right now
the traffic is zero to this property
because it's been closed for so many years.
Do you, in your professional opinion,
do you think this uses more intense than any
of the other shopping, the continuous properties
in the surrounding areas?
I don't know if I could confidently say if it's more intense or less intense, but the review criteria is
Level of service and voice our comp plan says as long as they maintain the level of service and don't degrade it
That's kind of the standard at which
And in this commercial area, would you
state also that there is outdoor dining
the entire Shopeean area on all the contiguous properties,
besides this one.
Waterline has outdoor dining and
I would say many of the properties surrounding,
I wouldn't say all,
but many of them do have outdoor dining
and the intensity of those is different as well.
And shared parking, do we still have that?
And do we still do that?
Were you...
We do have an allowance, we do,
but they're not requesting any with this request.
Okay, and does the parking agreement need to be updated with Waterline, because I remember
Waterline signed an agreement with the bank at that time, are they going to have to work
that out?
Waterline is responsible for their parking, and they've done a parking analysis based
on what they have right now, and they're okay today based upon their users and their
marina, but if that changes, they're going to have to accommodate that.
That's between them.
That's their issue.
I had a chance to review and I had this discussion with Chad yesterday.
Looking back at my notes of all the comments that were made, some by residents, many by
staff or commission, I should say, I believe at least the checklist I kept have all been
addressed in the new presentation. Such things as more safety concern, there were some additional
safety concerns I think what the applicant has done is show on the landscaping plan holders
essentially not holders that we have required of other stronts in here.
I'm sorry, I apologize for interrupting Commissioner Schaefer, but do you have any questions
questions of staff because the applicant hasn't presented his representation yet. So I just
wanted to make sure we're just limiting it to staff questions first before we get to the
discussion.
Speaking to staff right now to the Chair. So my point was, in my review of all the
checklists of items that we questioned back in September, they have been addressed.
That's the one question I have of you, and again, we had it yesterday with somewhat of
a clarity definition.
I understand amplified music includes the term of speakers, so if a place of business
has a speaker, that falls under amplified music.
I think some of the confusion perhaps I had early on in these types of discussions
is that there's a distinction between live music,
which is amplified music, and type or appropriate music.
In this case, the abdomen withdrew the live music portion
that was to have been on the second floor.
Under this presentation and under your approval,
amplified music is allowed,
an amplified music does not include stage, live music, or any other form of entertainment and high music.
And I think that was a big issue and a concern to many of us with regard to the noise.
The staff has approached this all as amplified music, all with an entire request.
They have minimized the impacts of the amplified music by taking the request away from the
second story.
The original request included outdoor application for their dining and then outdoor amplification
for the outdoor recreation area, major golf course.
They've since removed the request for the amplification, but the golf course music
is still requested.
Looking at our definition of amplification, Chairman.
I have a tough time saying they don't need a special reception request for that because
it is technically amplified through landscape speakers even though they're not going to have
a band set up, they will have landscape speakers piping in music from an amplified source.
So again, I'm recommending reprocessing as a special exception and continue to do so
but you'll see in the findings that staff is supporting that recommendation based
upon the changes that were made and I'm not contesting that at all it's just my
question is should we reconsider a definition yes we should future reference
I would because the example was given you know the flat screen TV up behind the
bar that's got a speaker on it they need a special exception requesting that
We need future. We need to we need to clarity on that.
Thank you.
Chad, on page 6 of your presentation, you have, it's the breakdown of the parking.
Yes, ma'am.
You have total required spaces, 93 total provided spaces.
Then you have total existing spaces, 69.
That's...
We've added additional parking.
So the existing the bank was using was 69.
This generates a much higher parking demand.
So is it going to have 93?
Site plan is 93.
On site.
With an additional six golf cart parking spaces.
The other question I have is the tour boats.
And I can wait for an explanation from the presentation.
But I don't quite have a clear understanding
understanding of how that comes into play here.
The other question I have is when the terminology of,
say,
you're going to have more special events there,
like will they have wedding, can they lease it out to a
party and have that party?
All businesses in the A1A, one C2 through C3 have the ability to request a temporary use permit for special events such as the Irish Bar does their obviously St. Patrick's Day special event where they have outdoor things so it is allowed through a temporary use permit process.
Anything else?
Mr. Smith I don't I don't know you
have a hard copy yeah okay and Mr. Smith you
can certainly into enter the PowerPoint as part of the record it's just if the
Commission can't see today it's not going to be considered as part of their
decision but if it's just photographic evidence of what's already in here right
then it'll be, it should be all included for you just for you.
Mr. Chick, I had a problem because I'm using my computer for the agenda,
and I looked at the book over the weekend,
but assuming that all that was in my online agenda,
but it's not, so just explain what you're making changes,
because I did read it.
It's okay.
I mean, I could actually give you the PowerPoint,
or Art could give you the hard drawings.
She has the same as well. I don't want you to be at a disadvantage.
No, go ahead. Because I did read it all a couple of times this week.
Okay. I think you had the same thing read it.
I have it online. Yeah.
I'll pull it up and just verify, Carol, that the online version is the same.
I guess we'll start the talk.
Go ahead and introduce yourself.
All right. Thank you for having me again.
but I guess we're not talking about that.
But, uh...
Okay, we have to go quick break the audio as well.
Take a quick break here.
As far as I...
Stacey, are there hard copies of the packet available to the public,
or would that have been by request,
prior to the meeting?
Just a gentleman.
Yeah.
Sorry about the technical difficulties.
We didn't plan on this.
Yeah, I'm sure you would.
That's a point.
Are we going to adjourn because I think that's probably smart.
Yeah, let's just take a quick recess.
Thank you.
Can we just do it for ten minutes, five minutes?
Yeah, ten minutes.
Ten minutes.
And we can get everything up in operation.
We are on break for ten minutes.
We know what the snapper is with the bargain.
Is it us or the bargain?
It's probably our.
This?
Just to verify whatever is online on the city's website is exactly what's in the packet.
For the benefit of anyone here who has a phone on them or any type of tablet, whatever is
in the packet is a hard copy is online that you can view it online at the city's website.
We have any idea what's going on?
You
just restart the strategy.
How's Gail doing?
He goes away fine.
We just have to have minutes for the meeting.
Roger.
No, but please.
There.
You're 45 seconds behind though.
Testing, testing.
Make sure you get that.
Are we still rebooting?
Thank you.
Okay, we'll reconvene now. Mr. Smith, I think everybody has a copy or has access to one now. Thank you.
All right then. I'm going to do a brief overview of the project. You're familiar with where the site is.
The cover sheet shows a scenario.
Looking down on the existing bank building is essentially left.
And then on the left, and then we're adding a two-story building that's going to be a
fudge shop on the ground floor and a candy store on the second floor.
And then there's a little outbuilding just to the right of that, and that's going to
be a storage.
Part of it's going to be storage, and part of it's going to be an arcade.
And then the other roof structures you see around the miniature golf course are
shade structures just basically to get out of the sun while you're playing golf.
And so then we go to the site plan.
Again the larger rectangle on the upper left
hand part of the screen is the existing bank building that will be converted
it into retail space for the island bazaar and the smaller building just down
from it is that fudge shop that I mentioned and then a little building
farther south is the storage in the arcade. The fudge shop is where the
drive-through was previously and the golf course itself occupies the paving
area going up to the the original drive-through and also the area when you
left the drive-through that paving area has become part of the miniature golf
course. So we're reducing the pervious surface on the property by having grass, turf landscaping,
the paving for the pathways between the holes is going to be a pervious surface, and there'll
be a artificial turf will be the greens themselves.
Just to follow up on one of the engineer's comments, in the upper part of the drawing
along Marina Drive to the right is the trolley station, and then as you go down the sidewalk
there's going to be a break in the landscaping and bringing the sidewalk to the crosswalk
area that will lead to the basically the front walkway area so that folks
coming from the trawling can come in that way. And then as mentioned on the
bottom of the parking area there and the driveway between the shopping
centers we've got six golf cart parking spaces there.
And if we go to
of the next one is the property survey
that's just for reference.
So you can see the way the site is configured now
and then the next sheet is a bit confusing.
I was trying to be creative.
I'm not sure I was and I was trying to show
what we were doing as an overlay on what's there.
But it does, if you can make it,
Just to show, you can see the outline of the miniature golf course in the driveways.
We have reconfigured the parking to get additional parking on site.
On sheet four is the landscape plan.
We have a six-foot-high fence that goes around the perimeter of the golf course.
As was mentioned, we did add landscape boulders along the Gulf Drive frontage for an additional
safety measure if cars were to jump the sidewalk and go through the landscaping.
It is a Florida friendly landscaping.
We're going to be adding trees.
trees. We've got some great trees that are integrated into it. We've got a nice large
oak tree that's currently there that's going to be on golf drive, that's going to be part
of the course. Then, of course, we've got another oak tree that we're building the
golf course around.
The next sheet sheet five is the floor plan showing the island
bizarre retail area, your ice cream shop, and the storage in the arcade,
and it's
got the score footage calculations there.
H6 has got the second floor and a
rendering looking at the building from the from the parking lot, basically on
the north side looking south.
There is no outside amplified, no stage, like
Like I said, there's no amplified music on the second floor deck.
The only amplified music we're talking about are those rock speakers as you're wandering
around the golf course to help with the ambience.
Sheet 7 is the west elevation and also the north elevation, the north elevation being
the main elevation from the parking lot showing the stairs going up to the restaurant. And
the proposed signage that we don't have the name of the actual tenant so that signage
will change but it will be within the square footage required or allowed by Homes Beach.
and eight is the other elevations, south elevation which is the golf drive
elevation and east elevation also showing the stair, the second stair
leading from the second floor down to the ground. These are nine elevations
of the sage structures.
Also building elevation of the arcade storage building. The water
tower is not really a water tower. It's an amenity that's in the golf course. Again,
if you were to go to the fish hole in Braden Beach, you would see similar structures
that Jake has around his golf course into the atmosphere.
The monument sign, which is going to be a long golf drive,
meets the standards that you have.
And the dumpster enclosure is just
to reinforce the fact that the dumpster won't be exposed.
And that happens.
It's located on the site plan on the east side
of the property off the driveway
goes in between the two commercial centers.
Page 10 is the South Sight elevation,
which
is essentially a long marina, it's our golf drive, and the east elevation is actually
on the side of the other shopping centers. It gives you an idea of the heights, where
were below the heights allowed.
These aren't very tall buildings. The 11 is
another aerial shot looking down at the north, looking at the parking lot and
the golf course and 12 north entry. Again where the arcade building is looking
across the golf course to the front door and then also at the front entry from Marina Drive.
And more building elevations on page 13 of the monumental sign and that's at the corner
Marina and Golf Drive is the top rendering and the other ones from Golf Drive.
And this civil drawing,
anyways, it's got some technical things on there as far as paving
and direction.
Next sheet is a rendering of the folks that designed the golf course showing, you know,
what they're picturing and what I've shown on mine.
16 is revised from earlier, again, getting rid of the amplified music so there's no speakers
shown on the second floor, restaurant area, and the on the landscape lighting, electrical
symbols, the only amplified noise is the landscape speakers that I've shown dotted around the
golf course. And then we've got a lighting plan and the photometrics after that, showing
that, we're reducing the light levels leaving the property within the Florida Building Code
and standards. And that's it. I did just want to emphasize that there is no amplified music
on the second floor and the landscaping is consistent with the floor yards.
We did attach the traffic study and I have the traffic engineer Nathan Poole if you have
any questions for him here with us today.
Public safety along Gulf Drive was addressed with the addition of those landscape holders
and we do have a six-foot-high fence around there.
Again, that was more or less to keep folks from enjoying the golf course after hours,
as well as keeping folks from jumping in and jumping out of the course.
We added the six golf parking spaces that you all had suggested, and I wanted to emphasize
is, of course, lighting will have a mix of those two-watt LED lights, festoon
lights. Again, like Jake has, this is his place now. So I'd be more than happy to
answer any questions that you might have.
Your page number 11, I keep seeing this.
Is this your property boundary? Right. Okay. Do you own two of the boat slips in the
marina? Yes, ma'am. Oh, you do? Yeah. Okay, so is that interlocal between you and
I don't know ma'am all I know is what Jake owns and so you own that but those
people rent boats so you'll be getting that income whatever right right I thought
waterline had owned the whole thing so that's great not just no they actually
own the seawall on that end as well they own out into the submerged land
And so the rental boats would be their own rental boats. It looked like during the site plane application, but I'm not certain
Yeah, whoever's there are you and you okay, thank you that that's I never knew I always thought water lined or here in our zone
Also stick
Traffic is a big problem with me. I mean, it's with everybody and the parking and the whole bit.
The access road, they have one that comes out on Marina Drive, which will be behind this.
And they have the other road that comes off of Gold Drive and you go in it.
Could we make that one way? Could we make a right turn only on that? I mean is that
private that we can't dictate that or can we dictate it?
It's going to be a right
in only for the Ingress and Ingress point, also to the Marina Drive
intersection, that will be right. Will you come up Gulf Drive into that?
But the first drive you would come to, Commissioner, is two-way, is ingress and egress in and out.
Because it's a wider, it's wider and there's not parking spaces accessing it.
Yeah.
I mean, if you sit at the bank and watch the traffic, that's people trying to pull
out of that to cross the two lanes, to give Elm to Ghost Drive going south. That is disaster.
And so I was thinking, why don't we make that just one? You only turn right when you're
coming out of that plaza, Elm to Ghost Drive. If you want to go south, you just go up
and do a Huey or take one of the back roads. That would eliminate that hazard there
of people exiting that Plaza area.
Now, you have the both ways on the back road, the road behind the Bazaar Exit and Water Line,
you know, that primarily, that in and out, although a little crazy, is a little better.
So, you know, right and left is okay.
It's that one that comes off an on-gulf drive that has me very confronted.
If we could just change the traffic pattern.
Do you have any recommendations, Chad?
With this request, I mean, the applicant, I don't believe it's been discussed,
it also impacts the adjacent property owner as well since his access.
So that's probably a conversation that involves more property owners than this one.
Yeah, but something to consider trying to eliminate a housing that exists.
Yeah, there's many other businesses besides this. So it's always been a safety issue as long as we've all lived here. You just have to be careful. But really, this should come from the applicant on your traffic study. Did you find any safety issues with this?
Nathan, the engineer.
I haven't heard us pay today.
You're going to be okay?
Yes.
It's a Nathan Poole traffic engineer.
I prepared the traffic study for the development.
The access, if I'm understanding correctly,
that you're referring to is our eastern side.
We have not identified any safety issues at that location.
The amount of trips being generated by this development
is very low, considered.
So, any additional trips, traffic being generated by this development is not anticipated to exacerbate
or change any of the existing conditions better actually, may or may not be out there.
Does that help answer your question?
No.
To be honest with you, the traffic is such a sporadic thing and it only takes one car
to pull out at the wrong time and we've had talk to the people at Hancock Bank
they'll tell you some herring tales about things that they see during the day I
understand you're seeing it's like a low-impact thing but it it is not
necessary for people to come out of that area and and have to go both right
and left they can go one direction a hazard to many people so that's way
I'm looking at it. It's not, yeah, it's only going to happen once a time. No, that's just
it's just a suggestion to try to eliminate a hazard that exists and has existed for a long time.
But you're now increasing some traffic patterns into that parking lot that haven't been there
for many years. So I'm just trying to find a way that can maybe improve it.
Oh, understood. So based on our projected distribution with the traffic, I've got the
numbers shown here. Thirteen cars in the AM and thirteen in the PM are making that southbound
left to go south down, uh, south down Gulf Drive. So that's a car of maybe once every
four minutes, if not even that. So it's very few cars that's being added. That's
That's during the peak hours, that's during the highest two hours of the day, once in
the morning you want to meet.
And as a developer, we have an existing problem and from what I've always learned, you can't
cite the person that's coming before us for a problem that already exists.
No, I'm not, I'm talking about looking at a solution to a problem before we get there.
And this is the time to look at it.
Understood.
So the other thing to consider, too, is if you were to eliminate that left valve, as you're saying,
there's other paths that are going to have to be, they would travel up to Marina Drive,
make the left and go south down to Marina Drive to then go south down there.
So if there's other concerns there, then you may be making that problem that you may or may not come about.
My professional opinion, I don't believe it will, could certainly get pushed to another location.
Well, thank you for that.
Just on that, if I might comment, I understand Carol's concern because we've all used that
for ingress and egress, but that could be circumvented by the same situation you could
say exists at Sunrise Drive, whereby if you're heading southbound out of Sunrise
Drive you have the same concern, and I don't know that we can make one ways out of
too many of our intersections and I'd like to think perhaps the new signaling that's in
place now that did not exist when the bank was in operation might help so that when it's
read there is a gap, there is a stop at any rate and hopefully there's enough kind citizens
to safely allow us to egress out of that location if that's where we are at the time.
But if there's a solution, I think we'd all be interested.
But my concern is we could highlight a lot of intersections in our community where that same condition exists.
No
question, Mr. Smith.
What is the fence material?
Well, similar to what Jake has now, it's a netting.
Again, tougher to climb, but it would stop the
balls from exiting. Vinyl? Is it a vinyl? Well, I think what he has now is actually more of a rope
material kind of a.
Well I think I showed it two inches by two inches so yeah
maybe high heels on you can get the toes in there but I don't know how many women
climb fences but.
But you can see through you can see. Oh yeah the point is
you can you know it's not a barrier visual barrier but it does stop the balls
I mean, you know, that's why they have putters and out wedges.
So this is the thought, too, that it would stop them.
And it's four feet, not four or six?
Six feet. Yeah, it was combined by jump.
So it's six feet on it.
And the shade
structures, are they all going to be hurricane strapped down there?
Oh, yeah, they'll be all built.
I'm sorry, metal roofs, right?
Any other questions?
No, just a comment.
of all the site plans we have seen over the years.
This is a very well organized and presented site plan.
I appreciate you and the owner taking to heart
our comments, the public's comments in the past
in our own, revising it to suit
and essentially comply with those earlier concerns.
So I think you've done what we had hoped
and had asked for in our September workshop.
That's all I have, Dan.
For clarification, the applicant does have eight minutes
left in rebuttal time.
Should you wish to utilize that after public comment?
OK.
Thank you.
All right, now I'll ask for a public comment.
Everybody has comment?
Upstate your name, your address.
Sign in, please.
And I will be doing the timing, so I will put a finger up when you have one minute remaining.
Good afternoon, Merry Christmas. My name is John Dawkins, a resident of Holmes Beach here in 52nd Street.
Chad, I have a question for you. In your review, you mentioned the zoning to the north, to the south, and to the west.
You know what the zoning is to the east?
Staff report also references to the east, and that's C3.
The adjacent property is zone 3C. That's what I did my analysis on.
Very good. You also mentioned...
I just wanted to... I do apologize. This is public comment, not public question and answer,
so you may ask questions they may be addressed later on during discussion,
but just to also first ask benefit, there's just comment on that.
My primary concern today was the noise of these speakers being amplified.
And I think I heard that even with the exception being granted for the amplification will still
be under the Chapter 30, Section 3 of the city regulations, right, for noise levels?
I think it's kind of late, but we'll list it out later.
Okay.
All right, any questions?
And then during the presentation, a new concern came up with the fence, the 6-foot fence.
It depends what material they use.
Is that controlled by the city permit process today?
Let me say one thing today and then change it later.
It's all included.
Answers and things like that are all included in the site plan and the building.
Because in the illustrations I didn't see any fence in the illustrations.
It's here.
It is shown.
Yeah.
All right.
Very good.
I look forward to hearing the answer on the noise regulations.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Next up.
And
everybody wishing to speak, you have been sworn in, is that correct?
Mayor and Commission, my name is Dan Howe, I live on Sunrise Lane, so that's an interest in this project.
It's a very good job on your presentation.
This is a very intense course.
We're talking 125 restaurant seats, but of course, which I've seen before,
that there are people waiting in line to get in.
Boats, ice creams, fudge, it's a lot.
It's zoned, I guess if it fits, it's up to the code,
but to me, I'd like to see the traffic study.
It's really tough for me to see 13 peak hours
in the event that I'm a developer.
I do traffic studies all the time.
So, you know, 93 spaces.
The other question is, from everybody's memory back with WaterLine, sorry, off of Titanite and WaterLine.
I recall there was a lease with 30 sunspaces with the bank.
Those just magically disappeared from the media.
Did that lease follow the current user?
We're minus 30 sunspaces in my book.
You can't use them one year and then borrow them the next year.
So is that, I know I can't ask the applicant, is that least to the city's knowledge still in place?
Chad addressed part of that.
I heard him say that the water line said that they now are accommodated of the parking.
But that wasn't the approval of the water line permit excellent years ago.
That approval was dependent on those parking spaces.
You can't just know that they're wet.
I actually litigated against the water, and, you know, the water line's been fine, but
we also, part of the settlement with them was their music, but can't even have speakers
had to build an okay wall.
So I know we're all anxious in this corner to look at it, and I'm included, but these
are true issue problems that us as residents are going to have to deal with.
Once it's in, it's too late.
We all know.
So parking is huge.
So that parking spills over onto Sunrise Lane.
That's not fair.
That's a private road.
If the parking spills over to the Chamber of Commerce,
that's not fair to him.
And it will.
And you're going to have towing and towing force.
So I think it's appropriate to have
an answer for those water line spaces.
Also, another question.
What does, can somebody tell me, or I just have to look it up, what is the RTO for restaurants?
I know many jurisdictions, it's, you know, a thousand, it's per seat.
We have 125 restaurant seats.
That's a lot of, that's a lot of costs.
Three to one, a busy Saturday.
Three to one.
Is it three, three to six per space?
Through the map.
Now, all of a sudden, the developer says that, what was it, two spaces per hole is enough?
Or is that what you've said, Charlie?
Well, okay.
But I, we've all been to puttputs before.
There's people standing in line.
They're waiting to get into.
So, again, I don't know if the traffic study addressed parking.
The parking is going to be amazing.
And it's not really fair to sunrise, to chamber, to waterline, both of them.
Because they, as we know, are tourists, or guests. They're not really familiar with that.
Let's see. Outdoor music. I'm concerned about the music. I live, wait, if you want to sunrise.
I'm still here with you, I agree with that.
One minute, one minute.
Sunrise Lane's a private road.
All of these people are going to, if they end up having a problem,
they're going to spill out onto Sunrise and block us residents
from using our private areas.
And is there a question, is there a reciprocal easement agreement
or a current existing easement agreement with between the two properties
If there isn't, you're going to have all kinds of spillover and access issues.
I don't know if there is one of the record I have of it, but there should be a requirement to come to the farm.
Thank you very much.
That's all right. Thank you.
Margie Montzer 305 56th Street.
I want to thank you for the office.
Are
you saying I'm short?
Okay.
I just have a couple of questions,
but I want to preface it by saying that some residents would like to see the
the city stir resources towards some key properties
with stipulation of public space element.
And I'm fully aware that this one would have been
challenging financially,
but the Bank of America property would not have been.
That would have been a great location
for a city-sponsored welcome center,
along with the chamber.
With flooding the way it is,
there's a good shot, we may need space for a pump.
And the ULI suggested very feasible ways
of affordable housing so that our police, our service workers, and our business
owners could afford to live on the island. So with that being said, I'll get
into my questions. First, I do appreciate the applicants modifications in
response to your concerns about the noise. However, loudspeakers do remain in
the outdoor recreation area, which you made clear, and also the 11 p.m. is
It's also a special exception, and I think it might be wise to adopt hours concurrent
with ugly grouper.
I'm sure you recall last year's South Harbor noise litigation when the judge ruled that
the homes be tortuous was too vague.
So you amended it so that the plainly audible standard of 100 feet applied to both day and
night.
The distance is what makes it specific and objective to satisfy the court's ruling.
So my first question is,
will the noise generated from these planned activities be held within that 100-foot radius?
And secondly, when the issue of the parking garage first surfaced, we coincidentally met a traffic expert.
He had handled litigation with major corporations on this very issue.
And I was helping him do some research and we were contacting FDOT,
gathering our data because we were trying to prove that what we all know this
was a traffic issue not a parking issue. And one thing I did learn is that an
island bank that has a few customers coming and going intermittently is not
going to have the intensity of this plan right here. As has been mentioned this
plan includes retail, indoor and outdoor dining, miniature golf, an arcade, a tour
about an ice cream shop and storage facilities. It has 125 seats, 97 parking spaces, six golf
carts spaces, and 36 bicycle spaces. So this greatly increases intensity, and I think that
there could be some data that could prove that. And another thing I learned that some
of you probably already know, I'm sure the chief knows the meaning of LOS.
And
And that is in reference to the initials that were used in the plan.
It's a level of service.
And the D, and I'm taking this from a professional journal, and I can't do it all because I can't
do it within the five-minute limit, but word-for-word portions of it saying that D is approaching
unstable flow, freedom to maneuver within the traffic is much more limited and driver
comfort levels decrease. And the E says unstable, irregular flow, operating that
capacity, no usable gaps to maneuver, and any incident will create serious delays.
So as we've all said, this is already a very tenuous intersection. Within a
very narrow radius over the last few years, you have approved special
exceptions with extremely high occupancy increases all the way from 133 percent to 338 percent.
I've done the calculations with each hearing for the last few years.
You have a business where parking is spread among five properties.
Another one is spread over three properties.
So these are not small, insignificant changes.
We often mention how the island city has its own character.
a character and historically Holmes Beach has had a different character from Verge Street.
So all of our guiding documents say that preservation of intended character is paramount.
So my question is, my second question and final question is, are these increases safe
at this challenging intersection where fatality has already occurred and do they allow Holmes
Beach to stay within the intended character?
Once again, while I had the poll, the Islander poll from last year, I've shown it before.
I wanted to show it again, shows that people are primarily concerned about over-development.
It had a 66% voting on that poll compared to the next highest of clean water, which was 22%.
So they're very concerned about over-development.
Now with the flooding, that might be different, but thank you for your time.
I appreciate it.
Next up.
Hi, I'm Debbie Danziger.
I live on 71st Street.
I've lived here.
I know a lot of you guys.
I've lived here over 30 years, raised my family here.
And I know the traffic flow around this corner.
This is the busiest corner there is on the island
for people going to Holmes Beach in Annemarie.
It's a hazard that corner.
It gets slower and slower every year.
People have died there more than one person.
and you guys who have lived here a long time
know how many accidents and things.
You're just asking for trouble, putting in a big,
I mean, you can do it by code, if you own the place,
do whatever you want, but as a person,
as a citizen of home speech, and you guys,
we elected you, the people of home speech
who voted for you do not want any variances
for these people.
This is ridiculous.
We need to conserve, you know,
You have to have a quality of life here for your residents or else everybody's going to start leaving even the people have lived here over 30
We will not be able to survive if you continue to let these variances and let these people have as many people
I mean that corner will be like a party. You know what's going to happen there people hang out there
You won't be able to go back and forth. What happens to people like me or getting older if I get sick
and I need an ambulance or anything.
Or I need to get to the store or something.
Everything is becoming a big deal.
It's not 13 cars.
It's like 40 cars an hour.
I mean, you have to take back roads.
Everybody's cutting through the roads now because,
well, right now there's nobody here
because of what happened in the hurricane.
A lot of people are displaced.
So a lot of people don't know about this.
But I can tell you all my friends
and I've lived here 30 years.
We know a lot of people on the island, they would not be happy with this.
I mean, you have to do what you have to do by law.
Allow these people, don't grant them any variances.
Are they doing something for the city here by doing this?
Or are we just making them rich?
You know what?
It comes a point, we live here, we have to live here.
You have to go by what your voters want.
We don't want to party on that part.
It looks like a beautiful place, anywhere else, it'd probably be wonderful, but not on that
point.
My husband's not there.
That's what he's going to do.
Now we've been two hours to the back and forth from work,
it's just like you really
need to be able to navigate this island and that's why a lot of us do it so strongly
again.
Anybody
else wish to speak?
So as the applicant, you technically still have, you have eight minutes and 18 seconds
considering your technicality after the meeting.
Yes, I've signed it up in my address, but I just want to take this moment to thank you
guys for all your consideration. Chad and the building department, looking at this,
I feel like we have a lot better project than what we began with, with the
massaging of it and going through all the I think we have a safer project all
around better project and I appreciate all you guys for contributing and all
your time everything that you guys have put into the last hearing feedback I was
commissioner so I understand you get all this especially during the storms
There's a lot going on, a lot to review, and you guys chose Bill Jinn, you guys.
Good.
Thank you.
Anybody else have any comments?
You still have some time left.
Who's counting?
Code, I wouldn't care.
difficult. I just wanted to make a couple comments based on the public.
Again, the noise
level is background music. It's not a concert. I've been to Jake's place on
Brighton Beach. You've got to get a feel for it. It's just a background. So it's
It's not a band plane.
The fence detail is on page four.
It shows the – calls out the webbing size and the height of it.
The water line lease, that's something – again, the other projects I've worked on, I've
had to get off-site parking agreements, which are tenuous because if the property
get sold. The tenant that has that off-site parking agreement is scrambling to find another
off-site.
And there is, on the site plan, on page 2, excuse me, the survey on page 2, shows the
access easements that are already in exist, already exist, which is necessary because
Jake's property actually goes across the drive. You have the whole shopping center
back there and they've got to get out. So the survey shows access easements that are
currently existing.
Eastern Boundary of the property is actually in the roadway there?
Actually, if you look at it, the driveway, you'll see the marina boats. There's a driveway
that goes out to a marina drive and so there's an access easement there. And the other access
that goes to Golf Drive, half of it's on Jake's property and half of it's on the Eastern commercial property.
So, you know, those are put in place long before. So, there is access. And that's it.
If you have any additional questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them.
I have a couple other clarifications. The noise ordinance will apply to this. This is
not supersede anything in our noise ordinance, so that will be applicable. The question
about seats, I think it was answered, but the seats for restaurant was one space per
three. Just to reiterate, this is probably one of the only site plans I've worked
on since I've been here that they haven't requested some sort of shared parking arrangement
with another property. So the fact they've been able to accommodate 93 spaces on
site.
Like I said, it's unprecedented because I think every proposal we've had has had some
sort of allowance for officers. And, you know, that's our sites are primarily developed in
Provide on-site parking in a lot of places, so that's why our code allows for that provision.
But in this case, they're not proposing any of that.
And then he just touched base on the cross access agreement, which is on the survey.
Those who wanted to bear down on the math with the three-to-one formula,
The restaurant alone at 125 seats would require 41, 41 of the 93, so that means 52 additional
for the other retail operations.
Just a point of clarification, it's a total of 93 and that includes the ADA and it includes
the six.
It does not include the six because that came after the workshop.
That's the point.
I'm not counting those as works.
And we did ask about providing some alternative for parking.
So prevalent these days.
They've added six, so essentially you have the 93 plus six plus.
Was it four?
93 includes the 488.
Includes the 488, but not the goal.
That's correct.
And you get eight seats free.
No parking requirement.
Correct.
Outdoor dining.
Chad, could you refresh the commission and the public on what happened to the agreement
between Main Sale and Wells Fargo and how they were able to bring their property into
compliance?
Certainly.
Maybe Mr. Spooner can confirm, but that lease agreement didn't transfer to the new ownership,
so Main Sales, and when that was brought to our attention, the concern was, well,
how are they still going to meet their parking standards? So they provided us a parking update
based upon their tenants who was then using it's primarily for the charter vessels as the
parking ratios were for the charter vessels. So they've been able for right now, obviously
not a lot going on. So they're well below their needed parking. But it is something that in the
future they're going to have to address because it was part of their site plan.
But Mr. Spooner is not responsible for that.
And Code does monitor the vessels that are renting there and the seat capacity on those boats
to make sure that they are in compliance with the parking that is provided.
It also has to do with how many seats are at the restaurant.
It's not main sale.
Waterline.
So everything was checked and double checked when it was brought to our attention that they were losing that lease.
So the answer is just for clarity, the water line is in compliance presently.
Based upon the parking standards that you guys set forth in your, they would meet the parking ratios,
but part of their approval was the agreement for that parking arrangement.
So, if they need that parking, they're going to have to find an alternative or re-biz their application to reduce their demand.
Do they know that?
Yes they do.
How many parking spaces are we talking about?
I don't know.
I'm not sure it counts with you.
Variances? What are the variances you're requesting?
There are no variances.
Or the stipulation, sorry.
Wasn't it, you wanted it with the parking?
No.
That has to be included in the motion.
It was the special exception request for amplified music
and outdoor recreation.
Music, okay, the music?
And outdoor recreation, yes.
Outdoor rec, okay.
Amplification of music.
Okay, from what I'm seeing of all places in the city
where I've lived for 55 years,
is this is both compatible uses
that it's kind of like when Pete Renard sold to,
I forgot what it was called then, but it's waterline now.
We had a major deal then, but it had been there for many,
many years before then, but we want to keep
commercial and commercial.
We don't want it to bleed out into the residences,
and to me, this makes sense.
I mean, I've never heard of a complaint
from where you are now.
I actually went, when you had the Lakewood Ranch one,
I used to go there.
It looked exactly like out here,
and that's probably what this is gonna look like.
All the uses in it are the same,
except for the east part of the property.
I don't know if on sunrise if there is no parking or if that could be a solution
maybe you could talk later about that or just only allow a few parking spaces so
the residents wouldn't be so upset if this does tend to be a problem I think
our traffic engineer can do that if the board says that there's going to be a
problem not to go with this site plan but if it is does end up to be an
issue. I'd like to close the public hearing and then we can thank you.
My name is Fernanda.
I live here in Holmes Beach in 52nd Street. It's a wonderful, beautiful place. When I
I moved here, I thought I was coming to paradise and it is the best place I ever been in my
whole life.
What I would like to know and I in advance apologize for my English if I put it in a tone that
it's not soft enough.
But I would like to know commissioners and are voted by the residents.
They are not voted by tourists or by constructors, developers.
So what I would like to know is in practice when a proposal like this new business
are being presented to the city if there is any weight in the decision if it is what the
residents want for their seat or not, or if the commissioners or if who take the decision
only open the book, look what it's written in the law, and if it is allowed or not.
I think the residents should have, if it is possible, I'm not suggesting nothing wrong.
I think the fair is, for the city, think in the first place, what makes their residents more pleased
visit and not income of business, money, taxes, or things like this.
I would like to have the opportunity to keep living in the best place of the world.
Thank you so much.
Hi, thank you so much for swearing me in afterwards.
I didn't think I was going to speak.
My name is Perry Parkman.
I do not live in homespeech.
I live in Annamarie, and to get to Annamarie, you have to go through home speech, and to
exit Annamarie, you have to go through home speech.
And I know we all travel these roads every single day.
And every single day, even now, with very little tenants in Annamarie and home speech,
very few of our seasonal people have even come back yet.
It is already congested.
Now, I think it's a great idea to have it one way.
However, where are you gonna make a U-turn?
Except going down the residential
all the way to the park and coming out this way.
I wonder how they would feel about that.
Versus England and not a main road.
I know it would make me very happy.
And to get out of there, you have to turn on Marina
and then make a unit, you turn there.
It's already congested. I am so sorry, but I love the idea.
I love the presentation.
Just not sure that we're going to be able to accommodate it physically.
Thank you for your consideration.
Good afternoon. Mayor, commissioners, Jason Sado. I wanted to speak on this. You know,
I thought I was going to sit here and just listen as well. But I think, you know, one
of the important things that I don't know if Jake has brought up or anyone that's involved
in this project is the people that are involved in this project are island residents. So
So it's, you know, I think that, and I think Jake has done a good job of, you know, really
listening to what the commission's asked for and making the changes because he wants to
be a good neighbor.
He lives on this island.
He grew up on the island.
And, you know, I think if we were asking for, you know, I get it, traffic's bad.
Whether that, whether this is there, whether fish hold is there or not, or restaurants
there is not, traffic is going to be bad.
I live in Annamaria, it's traffic's bad now coming out to the island with all the construction workers
And we don't we're not even in season yet, so I get that people are worried about that
But that's a much bigger problem than
What we're talking about right now
someone who has
three children
Who are always looking for things to do on the island? I think this is a great opportunity
we're always talking about how we want to bring more young families out here and
and, you know, things for kids to do and now we have this opportunity to do it.
And I think I love the commission's feedback so far as it's mostly positive.
But, you know, I think that this is something that's really going to make,
it's almost like the entryway into Homes Beach that's really going to pop with beautiful landscaping
and a nice building, you know, looking much better than the bank is there.
And again, I get people's concern with traffic and traffic patterns and all that stuff,
you know, we can sit down and have a zillion meetings on how to figure that out. I mean,
good luck. But, you know, I think for what, you know, for what Jake's trying to do is
really, again, selfishly, like I said, you know, me having children out here, it's like
it's a really cool opportunity where my kids, you know, got 36 bikes, like I can cut my
kids loose, they can ride instead of having to ride their bikes all the way down to
Bridge Street, you know, now they can, you know, ride right to Holmes Beach. And
you know the place that I grew up in that Jake grew up in and that's just what I
wanted to say it's like we're not dealing with some developer who's you
know from out of town or off island that that's coming here to destroy the
island or you know it was just selfishly in this for greed it's like yes
they want to do something but I think the most important thing is you're
dealing with Allen residents that also want to be good neighbors thank you
All
right. That's going to end the public comment.
Attorney to explain how our process that we go through to approve or disprove
something and anything that comes forward.
So because this is a site plan and special exception hearing, it is a public hearing of a quasi-judicial nature.
What a quasi-judicial decision means is that the commission typically sits in a legislative capacity
and that it makes the laws that the city follows based on public comment.
Sitting in a quasi-judicial capacity, it is sitting in a almost like a judicial capacity
in that it is taking in all of the evidence that it was presented today.
It is comparing it against the criteria that is set forth in the laws of the city of home
speech and the code and the comprehensive plan.
It is making a determination whether or not the evidence presented satisfies the criteria
and the code.
Regardless of whatever their personal opinions are, if the evidence presented satisfies the criteria, they are bound by the code to find in favor of the application.
If the evidence presented does not satisfy the criteria, then they are bound by the code to deny the application.
For the denial, they are required to give the reasons for the denial on the record.
for the approval it can be a stated in the staff report
or based on the evidence presented
because that is all detailed in the findings effect
within the resolution.
So while there is public comment
because this is a quasi-adjustable proceeding
that public comment is filtered in the vein
of whether or not the public comment
was based on the criteria
and whether or not it either supports the evidence
or negates the evidence
in order to satisfy the criteria in the code.
So all that to say that whether or not
each individual commissioner finds the project
to be very satisfying or detriment to the city
is irrelevant.
It is whether or not the evidence presented
meets the criteria in the code.
There's no more time for questions.
The public hearing has closed.
If you do have a question about the process after though,
I'd be happy to have a conversation with you.
Public hearing is closed and I'd like a motion.
Mr. Chair, just so I can finish up
But the level of service in the city of Holmes Beach probably as well as the rest of the
other two cities has been a D for many years.
Motion, but I was going to explain why. Yeah, I can do that.
Oh, discussion next after the
motion. Oh, you want me to do a motion first? Oh, usually you discuss and then make it. Okay,
so it's okay. Okay, based on the staff report and evidence presented today, I move to approve
resolution 24-13. I'm sorry. Zero second. I'll second.
Now we can discuss. Go ahead.
I apologize, I gotta learn the ropes here.
So anyway, the trolley is a congestion management study
that came in fruition in 2003
because of our level of service in our roads,
which was probably a C or close to a D.
And that's why we still have it today
because we've proven to the state
that it's still taking traffic off.
Unfortunately, it probably always will be a D out here.
And to me, this is the most compatible commercial area
where the commercial should be
and not in our neighborhoods.
So that's why the only reason why I'm supporting this.
I appreciate the lady's question because a lot of people assume that we make decisions
on whether we like or dislike something, and that is not the case.
We have a book called A Comprehensive Plan.
It's a fairly big book, but it lays down like a road of rules that subsequent and
present commissioners follow and it's been made up over the years by
citizens coming in giving suggestions about how they want their city to be
run what to look like and all of that. So we follow that book like a Bible
because it establishes what the citizens needlessly have asked us to do.
So, when we make a decision, we base it upon those facts of the comprehensive plan and
has the applicant met those stipulations.
So, whether we like it or dislike it does not play into this.
I, however, do like Mr. Spooner's conception of a golf course, golf putt, whatever you
want to call it.
I think that's very applique for this island to have that.
We have a lot of young people that will appreciate that.
Even some young people and old people might appreciate that.
I'm a little concerned about the multitude of businesses at that establishment.
But I think time will tell whether that plays out or not.
We
have such a mixed city map here. We don't have a commercial business, a
residential business, and there's a line drawn. We're all kind of mixed in
together so whatever happens in one area affects the residents constantly. I would
I'm going to monitor that so-called AmpliKide music because I don't like it
being played until 11 o'clock at night on I think it's Friday and Saturday.
Again, I
could be wrong. Maybe you don't hear it. I hear you hear everything. So I kind of will
watch that and see if we can help maybe make that more applicable. I don't know what kind
of music is going to be played. I applaud the fact that he has invested his money
and time and effort into this idea. I think it's a good idea. We're a little reluctant
to change, but I think this is a good step towards something here that will establish
a good corner there. Traffic is going to be traffic. We constantly try to improve it.
There's just not much we can do. Go to Tampa or go to Orlando. That's even better.
So, I like the idea, Jake, and I think we can tweak it a little bit more, maybe to make it more receptive to some of the residents close by.
The parking you have established, which is primarily the biggest argument I have heard
from the businesses around that area.
They don't want other people coming on to their parking lots and going to your business.
So that happens constantly out here.
We can't stop it, but the more we can mitigate it, the better off we are.
So I approve the project. I think it's a good one.
Yes. Just one question I had to the developer to you, Jake or Mr. Smith.
I didn't see anywhere what your proposed hours of operation are.
If it's in there, I missed it and I'm sorry, but what do you anticipate your hours of operation?
Thank
you. That answers that question or checks that box.
I think we've all given a lot of consideration. You certainly have.
As Carol has said, you've invested your time and your capital in this project.
The noise issue is always going to be a sensitive issue. I think you have addressed it.
I can compare it since I live in close proximity to the ugly grouper, to the conditions we set there.
And in the case of the ugly grouper, we require it as a condition that any live music sees at 8 o'clock.
The background music, pipe music, recorded music, whatever the best term for that is,
continues until closure I believe. I've never ever heard anything from those
speakers and again living just on the fifth 500 block of 58th Street we have a
direct line to them so I don't anticipate that we will be the closest
neighborhood is Sunrise and we have representative Sunrise here and I'm
certain the city will hear from neighbors
in the closest residential area
if they believe there are violations in the noise ordinance.
So I have faith in the fact
that you will be a good citizen,
you will be a good operator.
And if there are issues that come to our city's attention
with regard to compliance,
that you will deal with those appropriately.
I also remember that this has been an unsightly corner for going on five years, actually four
and three-quarters.
And with the elimination of what had been four banks down to one, this site remained undeveloped
in its rather raw condition up to this period of time.
And so I think from an aesthetic standpoint, undoubtedly this is a tremendous facelift
to what I believe is truly the second busiest intersection in homespeech.
And I applaud the attention to detail that you, the architects and engineers have given
to the aesthetics of this program.
Traffic was one of my major concerns.
Fortunately, I live across from the traffic engineer, and I had those discussions.
And I, although originally had some concerns with traffic, I think this project in its own
may contribute to some additional for your benefit and your tenants.
I hope it increases traffic for their success because we want successful businesses.
But I don't see any overall scale projects of this nature compounding it.
Our problem is an over-sale and over-production of our city, resulting in a tremendous increase,
continuing increase in population and visitors.
So I think as I've repeated before, in my opinion, you've checked the boxes of
the issues that we felt pretty strongly about.
We heard from citizens, we heard you heard from us,
and I appreciate your endeavors to do so.
The safety issue has been addressed,
which is one of my concerns as well.
And I would agree, bollards are not attractive,
and I like the idea of the stones,
or I should say boulders,
to provide a little extra safety.
So I look to this as an improvement in projects and points of interest for not only our visitors
but our citizens.
I hope you're successful.
I certainly feel it deserves my approval going forward and I think based on I hope
everyone's better understanding of the criteria that we have to deal with with
regard to voting up or voting down. It meets in my opinion the criteria that we
have with regard to our our codes and ordinances and I intend to vote in favor of it.
I do agree it that that corner needs improving in the fact that it's a
miniature golf. That's a lot of green added. That's water features. Right now
it's just a that whole entire corner is a sea of asphalt. Very little infiltration.
It was that was a pretty huge project bringing storm infrastructure to deal
with the lack of storm any type of storm retention in that whole area. I
I do have some recommendations.
We have done in the past, we've done site approvals that do have hour of operations stipulated
in the resolution and especially being that this is an outdoor recreation and we have
heard from residents in the area that are concerned about noise, hours of operation
because of the outdoor use.
You can easily add that into a resolution if the applicant is okay with that.
And speaking with Dan this morning, and I also spoke with the planner.
He did review some of the other resolutions that we had done in this area, most notably ugly grouper.
What concerned me the most was that word amplified.
When you're in a small island where the residents are close to commercial,
I can hear every single word that is sung from that bandstand at my house.
And it's loud.
And many times I've asked the chief,
will you just please do a decimal reading?
And he says, it's within the decibels.
And I think it's 65?
That's crazy.
How can it be within the decibel when you can hear every single word?
So it's like dueling music with, I don't want to listen to Jimmy Buffett every day.
So that amplified, so thank you for taking that off the second floor.
But we do have some covered areas throughout the golf course that could easily have maybe entertainment put down there.
So that's something we can even put stipulations.
It's ambient or background music only at a certain decibel level, possibly.
Not to exceed this. No bands, no DJs, whatever.
Just thinking ahead of time so we don't open something up that's going to be a burden on the residential neighborhood.
On 52nd Street, Sunrise, everybody that's sort of around that.
So, Mr. Chair, the mayor's talking about is a good idea, but I think we'd have to have
it a work session and you can't just come up with a number.
You have to have a noise study, you don't, okay.
But I can hear ugly grouper on 84th Street, but it's because of the breeze.
It's not like it's really loud.
It's just a breeze.
I can hear the community center and Anna Maria, I can hear them playing baseball and stuff.
So it's the breeze, unfortunately, but we've got to make sure it's legal whatever we do.
We got a legal Schmigler dot corner over there.
She tells me I can't do anything.
This is what I'd like to do.
I appreciate all the comments from the people.
We really take your comments to heart.
I'd like to see us put a couple of stipulations in the resolution.
You have a motion on the floor, so you either, and this needs to be decided, you have a motion
on the floor.
You either can, the person who made the motion can amend it to include whatever stipulations
and you can certainly discuss stipulations right here within the discussion period.
Or you call the roll and you vote on the motion as it is, it either passes or fails
and then you can bring up another motion if you so choose.
I would rather hear what his ideas are and make sure.
In all fairness, because it's whatever it is, it may not have ever been discussed before,
so then the applicant has to... Right, and keep in mind, I understand you want the
buy-in of the applicant, but whatever the stipulations are are going to come from the
commission one way or the other, and they can choose to sign the resolution or not.
The conditions that, and just for my clarification, I need to make sure if there are stipulations
can legally do them, that the stipulations you all are talking about or what the mayor
was saying is that you want to put a, I guess, what are the stipulations that you want?
What is the concern?
The concern is that the music is going to be too loud.
That's what I'd like to do it.
I'd like to have hours of operations.
Okay.
A stipulation as to hours of opulate.
And a decibel level or the background music.
The amplified music that is proposed in the, okay.
Right.
Or 50 decibels.
So it's just really background.
You can barely hear it.
You can do that.
Yeah.
On the landscape.
There's ten speakers, as I recall.
So we have to bring the decibel level down, and that's what I'd like to see.
I'd like to see those stipulations in whatever resolution.
That's you.
So then, if Carole also feels, if Commissioner Whitmore feels the same way, she can certainly
amend her motion to include those stipulations.
I think she would want to.
I'll do respect.
I would at least like to hear from the applicant, because this wasn't discussed
at all until just now.
And I think the hours maybe we would probably be okay
And if I've been to his place before and it's real soft the music so I don't know how much you can get much lower
But I'm not sure what he was going to do here. Yeah
Chief can talk to the decibel level Jake. Can you tell me what the decibels range at your current place?
Because it's I don't know that it's readable
You know really you know because it's like very low. You can still talk and hear yourself
It's your golf.
It's your golfing.
Right.
Very strictly.
Very
strictly.
It's just like if, I don't know if you've ever done a reading at an island bizarre shopping
center.
The Dollar Tree is.
Right.
Yup.
Benerson Pleasant.
Oh yeah.
Very similar.
It's pretty much the same thing, just to, I guess, listen to yourself.
would you clarify your hours I asked you and I thought I wrote them down
properly is your anticipated hours of operation 9 30 in the morning till 10
It's a
9
to
10 9 9 a.m. To 10 p.m. Is your anticipated hours of operation for the man for the retail
Right, and 9 to 9.30, 9 a.m. to 9.30 p.m. on the golf course, okay.
Keep in mind that there are other uses that are going to be presented on that property as well.
And you said the 9.30 at night was the last tee off, not when it stops.
Right, and so what we try to do is by 10 o'clock when the store closes, the golf is closed,
There's the
ice cream shop, I think they're in season.
You might stay up until 11, I mean, very different.
It's not going to be fun, but that's all contained
in four walls, right, in the middle of the place.
What about the restaurant?
What are the hours?
I think that's what they want to know.
That's the last place you haven't given us time.
NPM, you said.
No.
The restaurant is not going to be my operation,
so I think I'm going to be losing it.
I don't know, but I'm sure it, it, I'm sorry, is the issue with the hours of operation still
noise?
I think it's noise.
So if it's noise and it's inside, then I don't, but they don't have any amplification.
And when you, one thing with the noise, when you stop the golfing, you're turning that
outside music off, correct?
Right.
So the outside music is off.
You know, at 10 o'clock?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'd like to add the stipulation Erica, do you have any wording for us amendment to
the motion amendment
right here.
So the resolution presently says unamplified outdoor music and entertainment shall be limited
only in the outdoor dining area and only between the hours of noon and 10pm Sunday through
Thursday and noon and 11 p.m. Friday and Saturday. That's unamplified outdoor
music. And then it says amplified outdoor music shall be limited to the
outdoor miniature golf course recreation area between the hours of noon and
10 p.m. Sunday through Saturday and shall be subject to the limitations set
forth in the city's noise ordinance. So the only amplified music on the
property is going to be through the landscape speakers in the miniature
golf area which this resolution contains those can only be active
between noon and 10 p.m. Sunday through Saturday.
I have a question and I'm so sorry to ask this Chad.
If you can have unamplified music upstairs, are you talking about a guy on a guitar or
are you talking about a radio like for instance at Ugly Group or if you can do unamplified
music upstairs, can't you do unamplified?
It's that amplified word that's worrying everybody.
Can you have unamplified music downstairs coming through speakers or just because it's a speaker, it's amplified?
It's like Vendorsen. It's soft, musically...
It's that lack of definition for amplified, which is...
Chad can clarify with what we presently define amplified music as.
Amplified is currently defined as anything that pretty much amplifies a noise, so...
A speaker.
Radio.
Radios are exempt if they're part of a personal vehicle or things like that.
And that's per the statute and Supreme Court case law.
But if you have a gentleman on the outside
with his unamplified guitar, just an acoustic guitar
strumming his guitar, that's unamplified music.
And that's gonna be around the same decibels as a din
with people talking in a restaurant.
And the amplified music is anything
that's going to be through a speaker,
anything that amplifies music.
I think our code right now would even consider
as television technically amplified music
they could just come in through the speakers or the TV.
Bottom line is we need to adjust the definition.
Mr. Chair, how do you want to word it?
Amend the motion.
If you do it all.
I mean, it's the discussion of the board.
You don't have to.
I would still like to see a decibel level stipulated.
Well, keep in mind your decibel levels
are also controlled by your noise ordinance.
understandably but it's in my discussions with Chad today everything the residential is
similar to commercial and it's like 65 up 65 is the allowable decibel level during the
day and that could be a peak of like a dog bark that's not a sustained sound if it's
use the police discretion so that was deemed unconstitutional that ordinance
was deemed unconstitutional in the South Harbor litigation you cannot use
plainly audible at all you can use it but it is within a specific distance and
if there's no discretion necessarily allowed so because that 65 obviously
isn't working that we're permitting over here because it ties into our sound, our
noise ordinance, and it's still disruptive to a lot of people. Instead of
continuing to go down that path with other outdoor relying solely on the
noise ordinance now is why it might be wise to look at what a typical decibel
reading is for background music, since it's going to be sustained, and maybe use that,
because that's starting from 9 in the morning till 10 o'clock at night every single day.
So it's a sustained sound. Chad, I don't know if you had time to do research on what a
decibel reading for a...
Well, keep in mind your noise ordinance says 50 decibels are permissive between
between the hours at 10 p.m. and 7 a.m.
So if it's okay when you're sleeping,
regardless of what, and this is not limited
to a specific zoning category.
So whether you're residential or commercial,
your decibel levels are limited to 50 decibels,
but from 10 p.m. to 7 a.m.
Chad and I talked earlier,
and you did some research, I think.
You said 50 dB is...
Yeah, looking at shopping center reports
about what they recommend for,
For example, the Benderson, those type of ambiance of how to put is they said around 50 DBA to
60 DBA was appropriate for that type of background music for retail and those type of users.
Again, that's based up just on a, quite honestly, Google search.
Why don't we just stick 50 in there as a stipulation because it fits their noise
ordinance.
Yeah.
50 would be 10 p.m. to 7 a.m.
You can certainly, if the commission as a whole,
and if Commissioner Whitmore would like to make the amendment,
can certainly add a stipulation that the amplified outdoor
music shall be limited to the outdoor miniature golf
course recreation area between the hours of noon and 10 PM
and shall not exceed 50 DBA.
And I'll accept what?
Measured per the noise ordinance.
Commissioner Dickinson amendment.
Okay, so it would be outdoor, amplified music hours of noon in 10 p.m. not to exceed 50 BBA as measured for the noise ordinance.
The amendment has to approve it.
Right, so that is the amendment that's on the table for Commissioner Whitmore. Commissioner Schaefer, your section of the code?
Oh, paragraph three of section four.
I presume you're Ward Smith.
Right, so that is what the proposed amendment is on the table for you.
That being the case, I would.
Yes, okay.
So now we have a new amended motion, a second on the amended motion,
any discussion on the amended motion?
Any discussion?
No here.
Okay, so just for clarification, the motion is to approve
as per the resolution with the amendment that the noise is not to exceed 50 DBA as
measured per the noise ordinance.
Okay.
Alright.
Lucy?
Okay.
Mr. Whitmore?
Hi.
Mr. Schaefer?
Hi.
Mr. Sustek?
Hi.
And Chair Diggins?
Hi.
Madam Chair, I mean sorry, Mr. Chair and Ms. Attorney, is it still correct that we
can't discuss this project with anybody for 30 days in case there's a challenge to it.
That would be my suggestion. Yeah, if there is any type of an appeal afterwards, I would
just refrain from discussing it, though I do not believe it will come back before you
even if you get challenged on appeal, but it is a good rule of thumb to do.
Thanks.
Great, thank you all. Next on the agenda is the staff report, Chad.
No, I think we're on 8.
Oh, I'm sorry.
8C. 8C, I'm sorry. Thank you.
All right, Saje's here.
That's why I'm
trying to queen myself.
All right, next on the agenda is MPO Project Priorities. Saje?
You're awake, Saje.
You know,
in such economy a public works, the 8C is the MPO project priorities item.
This will look very familiar to you, if you notice from the past years, this is our fourth
look at this list.
Part of the reason for doing this, as we've talked about in the past, is if we are consistent
and we repeat and we make sure it's on the list, then odds are better of getting them
funded.
A couple of them you will see are in forms of being funded, like the complete streets,
number three on the list.
And so it's just recommended by staff and then talking to the MPO that those things
are just good to repeat.
It's good for us just to reiterate that they're important to us to keep them on there.
These are consistent with the MPO's Transportation Improvement Plan and the MPO's Long Range
Transportation Plan, which they look long range for which things are needed.
And they fund and put on there. The roundabouts are consistent with the Barrier Island study.
And so all of these are consistent with what we've done in the past. And so my recommendation
is to ask for them to be prioritized once again. I did get a little bit of favor from the
MPO staff in that every time you submit a project you have oodles and oodles of an application
to do. And since we've repeated it, I ask that you just repeat from the past applications
And they did it with the exception that they want us to update cost estimates, FGOC's latest.
And so, Lindsay, help me do that.
This is the recommendation to ask that you authorize the mayor to submit these as our priorities.
Mr. Chair, can I ask a question?
Does MPO pay for private streets?
We own private, the state doesn't.
So the MPO in coordination with the state will allow funding on off-system roadways.
It's just not super common.
Okay. I just want to make sure they may be probably already know that,
but previously they would never pay for it. Okay.
Anybody else?
I just have a quick question, Saje.
The number one replacement bridge, including bus on shoulder,
so are they planning on using the transit down the emergency lane when traffic dictates?
And that was always one of the things that they talked about was a reason for continuing
down that same design.
So this is really just kind of reiterating it.
This one is the one that they're talking about doing.
Yeah, I talked to them a couple of years ago.
Okay.
Thank you.
Anything else?
I have one question.
I'll do it.
The bridges are taking a terrible toll with all of the hauling.
I went across the Manatee Bridge and you can just feel the ruts in that bridge just leaving
now and not coming on, leaving now.
Are they continuing to do the study in the condition of that concrete now?
Are they continuing that?
So the FDOT's responsibility is to make sure they maintain the roadway.
So I don't know for a fact that they're going to do a new study, but based off
If you're asked, I will ask them again to keep an eye on it.
Because we had that.
I met F2T representatives out there before all this happened.
And even though you look at the holes in it,
they're fixing it with X, Y, and Z.
And so they know it's an issue, and we've continued to ask.
And so staff will continue.
I'm just concerned, because we have a hole.
Yes.
We don't want another hole.
Yes.
And I don't know if they're really looking.
So the report we got, I think we talked about this.
the report we got was it's structurally sound and the hole in the bridge was I'll say more travel
and so the bridge itself is okay from what they told us. Our comment she can add to it was well
if there's a hole in the bridge it doesn't really do much good for driving over you. So they took
that and they understood and they're going to continue to watch it but I'll remind them.
Mr. Chair, I called LK when the piece of the bridge fell in the bay and we've always had
this was always supposed to be the first bridge and then politicates and former representatives
of Zara City of the county took it away and he said we haven't and I can't remember the
terminology we haven't even done the NPDS it's not that what is it the study that
state has to do to start designing the bridge. I thought we did it a long time ago I guess
we have to start all over. Yeah, no, they've done the PD. LK said they hadn't. And that
was like when the bridge fell. Okay, good. They've done that in major step. It's just
construction funding there. Yeah, because they can't do this.
So Najee, on number eight, the Marina Drive. Yes sir. Key Royale, I know. I've heard from
many residents, Key Royale, of the consternation of that intersection at peak times. So what
we're applying for here is a right turning lane. There is a separation for the
right turn or the northbound turn there now. What would this
incorporate? How far back since a new home and we have limited right away? Just
how far can we go back with another lane? So my thought was yes to bring it as
far back as you can. Like you said you can kind of slip over there now but if
you can bring it up to that driveway it gives additional room for two cars to
to get in there and sneak by.
Just greater stacking, you're saying.
Is there any priority at all to increase the right turn lane
into Gulf Drive or Manatee Avenue when it Gulf Drive?
Priority for them?
For us, yeah.
I know it's a state road at that point,
but that's what backs things up.
People can't make that right turn.
If you and I have talked about this before, can we just ask them to extend that?
It's on the list.
We've been asking them, yes.
It's number two.
And I asked them from an operational standpoint, not just like a major project standpoint.
Well, they're looking at possibly doing the roundabouts.
I don't think they want to waste money on a temporary extension of a lane that they
tell me is just going to fill in.
They said your roads are over capacity, so adding it, it's just going to fill in.
Yeah, it is.
But it'd be easier to fill in way back.
This has been eight, nine years.
The Chief bought this up, I'd say eight years ago.
For eight years, the Chief has asked for that little extension.
My.
Okay.
That's to be come around about, isn't it, with the new bridge?
They're talking about. I haven't seen that plant. That's what they're talking about.
We also haven't had a district representative for probably that same amount of time.
So things are going to change. Let's hope so.
Okay. Any other questions, anybody?
Extra on the agenda?
Saje, don't go anywhere.
Oh, we have to make a...
You want a...
You need a consensus?
Consensus on this.
I'll do it.
Okay.
Everybody?
Reach consensus?
Okay.
On the priorities?
Yeah.
Oh, you don't have to vote?
Thank you.
All right.
Hurricane Helene and Milton, emergency management recovery update.
I won't belabor this because we've talked about it quite a bit, but I wanted to hit
a few highlights for everyone and for anybody who may be listening that hasn't received
some of these updates.
So we have been, as you know, continued to do our cleanup, and that includes, as Mayor
Judy mentioned, we're at about 127,000 cubic yards of material we moved off of the roadways.
That doesn't include hauling them out of our city, that's just getting them off of our
roadways.
And so, you know, I think I mentioned this before, one of the things that I like to
do is relate it to something that makes sense, that's just about 24 football fields
if you pile them three feet deep.
About 24 football fields of material
we've moved off the road.
We've even done a bonus round, so to speak.
The grinder that's supposed to take all the vegetation
and make it smaller so it can get hauled off of city field
has been delayed.
It's still supposed to get here this week.
But because it was delayed, I said, well, why are you here?
Can you go around and get some more vegetation?
Because it's still coming out.
So we did a bonus round, so to speak, for that.
And so we've moved a lot, a lot, a lot of material.
So that is anticipated to start grinding this week
and then we'll get hauled off of the island after that.
We have a little bit longer than the original extension date
was July 11, I mean January 11 to be fully reimbursable.
So it has been extended,
but their goal is still to have it off of city field
by January 11.
So we are still on target for that.
This includes all of this in the middle of doing some other projects as well.
We have continued on our storm projects.
We've continued on a seaside guards boat ramp.
But you've hopefully seen that kind of under construction.
And that's going well.
So your public work staff have been busy trying to get all of this stuff moving and going.
But just a couple other highlights.
So things that we did was we're moving the debris.
We did a lot of traffic signal repairs.
We got FDOT to help us with those and they're going to do some more, but we as staff did some and then we had some
Contractor help to do that as well and include cleaning
All of the pipes throughout the city and so we've got all those done and are working on
Because the extension for the time frame for the storms came out
I'm gonna see if I can't get the back truck back out since our rains
We've had a few more things fill in with some random sand and that kind of stuff
And so I'm going to try and get them to come back.
And then your staff, our staff has also
been busy on just cleaning up the small bits of sand
that the contractor couldn't get wouldn't get
because it was just too much.
They were getting paid by the giant truckload
so they didn't want to get stopped with a shovel
and fill up every little.
So your staff has been doing that
and we've had day laborers help with that.
So those are things that we were doing as well.
We started doing some tide valve inspections
just this week and have found some
that are just missing. Storm-related, pushed them through, tore them out, whatever, and
so those will go on the FEMA ass list to get requests to purchase and get reimbursed for
them. Sand cleanup I mentioned, because of some of the timing for our debris hauler
and with them needing to move on and up against the holidays, they had some staff
leave for doing the sand pickup. So we placarded in our own staff, our own dump
truck, plackered them in, and took our own, we took 12 loads ourselves, city staff did,
down to Kokina. So your staff has been, you know, doing a Yeoman's effort, taking care
of and cleaning things up. So those are kind of some highlights of what we did. Some things
we still have to do. We're going to continue with our street sweepers. We have our sweet
sweeper. Because we're still under this period of emergency, we can also hire our
So we'll continue to do that so we can keep the roads clean because even though the big
stuff is gone, the little stuff still blows in, you get a little bit of rain, you get
a little bit of wind, the road's kind of filled with sand.
So we're still taking care of that.
We've got 14 different places, some larger, some smaller of roads that need to be repaired.
Thank you for approving contracts.
I guess it was last meeting, so we've started that underway as well.
Sidewalk work that needs to be done, we've got about three different, four different
segments of those. We have our RFBs that we need to repair. There's about seven, eight
different segments of ditches that we need to reestablish that we're going to be working
on with those. Then so far, I've got 10 different FPL polls that we've counted that FPL needs
to come get. So we're tracking them as well. Then I think my list is to, I think we
have about 15 different claims that we've submitted just for facilities. Our building,
building, garage, fences, that sort of thing. So your staff is busy working on those for
cleanup-wise. As far as, you know, some of our process and that kind of thing, last week
staff got together and did kind of an after-action conversation about what things did we do well,
what things could we do better on. The list ranged from a little bit more training.
training is always good, how we ordered stuff, staggering staff hours a little bit to cover,
and then chief even brought up the changing language a little bit, you know. The word
check point maybe is a little bit better than curfew. So, you know, it's big things down
to small things. One of the language-wise something that I discovered is if you use
the word, this has been arranged when you submit something to the EOC and you've
already got it all set up, then, you know, they send the folks you want. We talked
about succession planning a little bit. One thing that we got together on, it was talked
about 800 megahertz radio, so we ordered some of those. So, Public Works is going to have
those that we can communicate with still towers go down and that kind of thing. Most importantly
for me, I should have listened to Maureen when she said, make sure you have all of
the supplies you need. And she said, I even put instant coffee in my bug out box.
I did not. And it took a little bit to get our generator up and going. I really
wish I had some instant coffee. So that was on my list. So we covered the gamut. Small
stuff, the big stuff, you know, things like that. We talked about office hours a little
bit and communicating that flow of information. One of the chief guys talked about the auto
attendant that they use for phones. So we talked about how can we use that. So we
had a good conversation on things that we can work on for, you know, improving.
And we don't have to do this again is my goal. That kind of concludes my report.
I don't know if others had things that they wanted to add as well, but that was mine.
Questions, comments?
Just to thank you, a big thank you. I don't know how you're still breathing.
I had a lot of help. You saw my guys, right? You know, we had a lot of help.
Yeah, that's true.
Might have got a little bigger.
And I really, this whole city really appreciates what you all are doing.
They talk about it.
Great job.
Thank you, Sajee. Anything else, anybody on that? We'll go right into the next item.
Actually, in agreement, would you explain this with C squared?
Certainly. If I may, similar to what we talked about for the road stuff, can I talk about 8E and 8F kind of together, and then we can go through them one at a time.
so we came across similar to the road repairs contract that if we can put
together what I'm kind of calling continuing services contract and then
we have folks that are ready that we can pull the trigger on and say hey this
fits you or this fits you or this is timing better or cost is better can we
do those things and so we worked with Erica on putting language together and
So we, you know, full procurement, fully advertised,
what I've kind of called continuing services contracts,
and had two months of bidders.
One is C squared, one is digging deep.
And the idea of these is kind of all things stormwater.
So maybe a little bit of maintaining
and keeping track of our infiltration projects
that we've had.
But largely is gonna be,
Maintaining and taking care of, as you all know, and I've arped on before, is our 70 plus years old infrastructure.
You know, we've got a lot of asbestos pipe out there, really fine in the ground, works fine as long as you don't look at it funny.
But if you get too close to it, or you even lift a piece of asphalt that's nearby it, it can crack and fail.
And so we need to spend some time doing those.
As you recall last year we spent about $2 million in ARPA funds to repair our
stormwater projects throughout the city. My estimate is that was hopefully a
little better than half but probably half of the stormwater infrastructure that
we needed to do and so we still got about half of that that we have to do
going forward and so these contracts will help us do those and we will be
able to take care of those with these contracts whether we use grant funding
But I'll be back to talk about at some point in the future because we have some options with the storms that came
They were painful, but they also open up potential funding. So whether it's mitigation funds or
Grants for because of the storms or whether it's the resilient floater that we got a couple of grants for
It has a bunch of grants out there. And then of course we have our stormwater assessment funds
So what we probably will do we'll use the funds to help be the matching for grants
We may use some of the grants to be matching for the grants, but so all of this I'll bring
to you at some point in the future, but depending on how big those projects are, I can use these
contracts to do that work because we've already lined it up.
We've already advertised it.
We already set it up.
If the budget is approved, then we can use that funding for the budget going forward
and then I will bring them to you as we get to depending on size and or dollar
and then we'll address them work order by work order task by task and so the
purpose of this is to be able to do that for those that fit that if we'll get a
significant project like the Wolf Drive project we're talking about Homes
Boulevard you know all the way up to Marina Palm that's probably something
that should be bid out on its own and then we'll do that but the the
smaller projects that we can do one at a time we'll use these contracts
for such as don't we have about 850 and this year's budget from the
Starmore yes sir yes sir and revenue is about 850 further have we allocated any
of that to any other projects up to now or do we have that as of right now no
okay so you're intent if I hear you right is we have those funds to work
with we're not going to commit until we have other grant funds for additional
projects beyond that. So yes and no for our budget we did have some projects in
mind as we laid them out whether it was operation funds whether it was back truck
operations some of that was stormwater assessment and then we did have some
planned projects on our lists that you would authorize in the budget for us to
do some of those but currently we have not tapped into those and so those can
be used for grants and we have not tapped into all of it so even if we do
some of it, we can use some of that.
So both these contracts are the same except
for the name. Three year contracts, one year additional up to five times in your packet.
I think we had a list of, you know, unit costs for each of them, but in some ways it doesn't
matter because it's going to be the total. And I think we've asked about this in previous
commission. Do you really want, I think this is like 80 pages. So do you really want to
see all those? And you all had said, no, not really. But if you want them, we can get them
to you. But in some ways it doesn't matter what the unit costs are because we'll present
to you the project and what the cost of the project is. So each contractor has their
own unit costs and kind of depending on which one of the thing we need them to
do is higher than another. It depends on which one is going to have a better cost
and then scheduling and timing as well.
How many of you have listed?
Do they have a do not exceed amount on your budgets?
Because I was looking to see on all of them,
couldn't find it, you don't have that, but okay.
No, because the do not exceed is gonna be our budget
and these individual, you aren't authorizing money
at this point, you're just authorizing the contract.
Can I make a motion that number eight,
E, authorize the mayor to execute agreement
between the City of Homes Beach and C-Squared General Contractor.
Motion second.
Wait a second.
Second.
Any discussion at all?
Not here.
Mr. Whitmore?
Mr. Schaefer?
Aye.
Mr. Seustat?
Aye.
Chair?
Aye.
All right.
Should
we do the second one?
You said it's the same.
Okay.
Authorize the Mayor to execute agreement between the City of Homes Beach and digging
deep construction services LLC.
Second.
Any discussion?
May I see?
Mr. Whitmore?
Hi.
Commissioner Schaefer?
Hi.
Commissioner Sustin?
Hi.
Chair Dickens?
Hi.
All right.
The next agenda item is the chief.
He has one more.
Oh.
I'm sorry, Chair.
If I could beg your indulgence for related to the one we just authorized the mayor to
sign.
I have the first task worker that I'd like consensus on.
We had a chance to pass that out.
I'm sorry.
I have that.
I'm sorry.
Digging deep company, and well we asked them both to give us a quote on putting a swale
back along between 70 and 71st.
We did them separately.
Because they're on the agenda separately.
My stuff is boring, but...
I'm trying to move it around, Erica.
That's my first score.
You weren't even listening to me. I won't take it personally.
Thank you for doing swells.
So this particular one, it's a swell on Marina between 70 and 71 that is on every books we found.
The old banks engineering plan showed it, the last master plan that LTA did, it was
on it and I don't know what happened to it between those times, but it is no longer there.
So we've had a few complaints from the neighbors and this fits exactly with Mayor Judy's direction
that put swales in where they make sense.
I think this fits both of the water quality component by putting in a swale and the
water quantity component of getting the water off the road.
and so we asked both of these contractors to give us a quote to do this.
I don't know that I need a full vote because as we mentioned, the budget's approved
and the item fits with what you have predicted us to or asked us to do already,
but a consensus would be appreciated and we will ask the digging deep folks to get started on it.
So consensus?
It should be.
So this is a swale, not in addition to the filtration.
Correct. Just a swale.
This is important to continue the routing of the drainage, and for some reason it's just
not there, and it's supposed to be there.
We have no idea.
You can even look at it on Google Maps.
But we're corrected.
All right.
So you don't need any action.
It's a consensus.
So it's a total of 30,000?
Yes.
Swills are much cheaper than the old Asian system.
So I'd ask for a consensus of it and easier to pay your time.
The property owners will be very happy.
Thank you, Sajer.
Catch your breath.
No.
HG authorized the mayor to execute an interlocal agreement regarding law enforcement services for Manatee Public Beach between Manatee County and the city.
This is that in our local agreement that we continue to try to get more funding and we
all knew the last four years there was no soup for home speech.
So because of the timing, this was already proved with the last board, but we will be
addressing this with the new board.
So hopefully your interlocust agreement that you'll have in front of you next year will
Because right now the same amount every year, it's basically defunding police, you know.
So they continue to make more money.
They try to go up.
So it's basically defunding.
They understand that, but the old board didn't really.
Mayor, there's a way around that after we vote for this, because we have to, because it's our budget.
it. You could write a letter to the county and sign it and we could vote on it that we
ask for maybe 10 or 15,000 more out of their reserve fund. They have reserves that are
unfunded for commissioners only. They have a million dollars in it and they can use
it discretionary. So that may be a way we could try to get more money this year.
We've been that ever since.
The last time ASG, if it was over 100,000.
Yeah, we average for man hours at the public beach.
We average between 120,000 and 160,000,
depending on the year of man hours.
Time.
Time for time.
Even a third of our costs.
But we're going to move forward.
Perhaps the county court of county commissioners
might be more available.
I think they give us some money, truthfully.
I move to authorize the mayor to execute their local agreement regarding law enforcement services
for Manatee Public Beach between Manatee County and the City of Homespeech.
Second.
Cal second.
Any discussion?
Mr. Whitmore.
Mr. Schaefer.
Hi.
Chair Diggins.
Hi.
All right, the next item on the agenda is the first reading of Ordinance
Who's going to do it, Chad?
I can read it into the record.
Ordnance 2501 and ordinance of the City of Holmes Beach, Florida amending article 9,
Flip Plain Ordnance Division 10, specific definitions of the City's
Land Development Code to revise the definition of substantial improvement by removing the
one-year time requirement, providing for severability and providing for
an effective date. Our building official, Neil Swartz,
here as well. What this ordinance is proposing is rescinding the one-year
look-back period relative to the accumulation of costs regarding
substantial improvements and we feel is in the best interest of the health
safety and welfare of the public to adopt this ordinance in its city's
continued recovery and cooperation with the NFIP. Again, where staff is
here to answer any questions that you may have, but as you can see by the
The ordinance, fairly simple text change to substantial improvement, again, rescinding
the one-year look-back period.
50-50?
Is this addressing that 50-50?
And have you, and we waive that?
Yes, we can.
We've always been able to do that.
The 50-50.
When does it come into effect?
would it affect previous people who are in this situation now? I mean the timeline.
So as we have passed, if we pass this on a second reading, it's going to move immediately.
The idea of this was that we've had in this year period, or look back period, we've had
several, if not more than several homes that have been remodeled up until the 49% or under
in the 50% rule, based on the damage that they received,
based on this one year look back,
they would have to wait one complete year
from the completion, and the problem is,
some of these weren't even completed yet.
So their cop between a rock and a hard place.
So they just have to sit there for a year to start over.
I didn't think that was fair.
So I did do my due diligence.
We have a third party that we rely on, named she is the state flood manager coordinator for municipalities.
I had a conversation with her and explained to her what I wanted to do.
She kind of chuckled, she says, you and about 30 other municipalities so far are doing this.
One of the things that I did learn is the CRS reading isn't affected by this.
The only way that we would get CRS credit is if we had a five-year loopback.
So what have we accomplished now?
Of course, this wasn't done by myself.
This was done to the previous building official,
and maybe at that point he thought he was doing something
or was better meant for the municipality.
But at this particular time, nobody thought,
hey, we'd have a storm, and that would affect the livelihoods
of many citizens within the islands.
So this is what we decided to do.
Yeah, Neil, you're a genius.
Because I mean, a lot of people are really sweating that.
And they were going to do the right thing
and try to stop what they were doing
and just hold off your genius.
Thank you.
Because, I mean, your expertise on FEMA,
I figured when I saw this thing,
I said, his expertise on FEMA is coming forward.
So you have really altered some lives with this decision very much.
Like everybody knows my house was affected too.
Oh well.
I feel for everybody, the mayor, myself, others.
We don't have homes, so this is important.
I know.
We're going to have a party.
Oh, you too.
What am I saying?
Of course, yeah.
I'm in my house as of yesterday.
Yeah, there you go.
Congratulations.
The full house, yeah.
Is there any other questions for the commissioners?
No. Thank you for doing this, Neil.
Thank you.
It seems obvious.
Okay.
Announcements?
Need a motion.
Do you have to vote on that?
You have to vote.
You have to vote on it.
Yeah.
I moved to approve the first reading, ordinance 25-01.
I'll second.
Discussion?
None.
Basic.
Mr. Whitmore?
Aye.
Mr. Susteth?
Aye.
Mr. Schaefer?
Aye.
Chair Diggins?
Aye.
Now we'll move on to announcements. There's a copy of them out there if anybody's
going to move on.
I'm serious.
I'm not going to read them.
I'm serious.
All right, so the next thing on the agenda.
I have none except I'm wishing everybody Merry Christmas. We will be here on Friday to fix
that one advertising area error and Santa will be here on Friday at three giving out
Gifts to children, and it'll be over here in the veterans.
Oh, garden at 3.30.
And I think that's it.
That's all I got.
Thank you.
Great job, Dan.
Is Neil going to be Santa?
Where's your Santa?
Other duties as a sign.
Comments, questions from the commission?
I just have one thing, Mr. Chair.
I'm Jim Boyd is meeting with me Thursday, this Thursday.
He's set it up a long time ago.
So I'm going to be meeting with him.
And I told the mayor and I talked about it.
And I'm going to give her a copy of our legislative platform
and try to get him on our page, you know?
That's it.
Thank you.
Mary?
None.
Other than happy holidays?
Merry Christmas.
Christmas, everybody.
Thank you.
Erica?
I've been meaning to talk to you about that.
We all have a happy holiday.
Anybody from the staff?
I have a couple of updates.
Yes, Santa.
Oh.
So we have the tonnages from Waste Pro for commercial tonnages in November,
265,000 residential, 263 tons.
And update from the building department,
since 9.27 the day after Hurricane Helene,
we've issued over 1,030 permits.
We've completed over 1,300 inspections.
Really important one to note here, we've had 22 demo permits.
We've had 22 structures removed.
So we will have 22 new homes at some point.
And we've also had four new residential permits to date.
So we've had 20 demos and four new residential.
And assuming those 20 demos will be coming in as new residential.
So there's a lot of activity that's up to Neil and his crew for keeping it all in check.
So thank you.
Thank you.
Neil?
This just happened and I haven't got a chance to talk to you, chat about it.
So basically, forgive me, but this is good news.
So I just got a phone call.
I wouldn't have done bad news.
I would have holed off.
It's like, hey, it's okay.
I just got a phone call from FEMA headquarters.
and no, it's not the CRS.
And basically, they were talking to me and they said,
hey, you guys are doing such a good job.
I'm serious about this.
We wanna come and we wanna put on a presentation
here at Homes Beach and we want others to come.
And what they wanna do is substantial damage,
windshield report and then substantial damage.
And they want to give us a synopsis
how they like it and so on.
And I thought it was a great idea because it's free.
So I was going to get with Chad and I just want because it's going to happen like January 6th ish
And we won't have another commission prior to that. So I thought maybe I should just give you a heads up on it
And we'll invite our neighbors and get everybody involved, but it's it's phenomenal outreach for CRS
They're very happy with what we've done
in fact, they were a static of what we've done and
And I'm just going to move forward with it.
I'll talk to Chad about it first thing in the morning.
Yes, I'll give dates and all that.
It could be anywhere between two and four hours.
And if I can get the chambers, that's
where we'll have right here.
I'll check it.
There's nothing locked in yet.
I'm going to go ahead and do it to everybody else.
OK.
Yeah, happy holidays, everybody.
Brother in your hand.
We're not done yet.
Any comments from the public?
and
Kristen you've said through the whole thing any okay now we're adjourned
thank you my dogs
are in the dark