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They're called the meeting to order. I'd like everybody to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and followed by a moment of silence. Thank you.

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Roll call. Yes, thank you. Commissioner Whitmore. Here. Commissioner Seustette. Here. Commissioner Schaefer. Here. Commissioner Morton is noted absent with excuse and Chair Diggins. Here.

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All right, the first item on the agenda,

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we have a very long agenda today, so lengthy agenda.

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So when we do have comments,

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and I'd like you to keep them as concise

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as to the point as possible.

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Thank you.

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We want to approve the minutes

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from the work session, October 22nd,

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regular meeting November 19th,

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and the special meeting on November 26th.

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Do I have a motion to approve?

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Move approval as submitted.

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I have a second.

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I'll second.

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The motion has been, Stacey, is there any discussion?

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Okay,

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I scored the trifecta today, Stacey.

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Mr. Schaefer?

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Aye.

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Commissioner Susten?

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Aye.

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Mr. Whitmore?

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Aye.

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Chair Dickens?

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Aye.

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All right, the next commission report, any reports from any of the commissioners?

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We'll start with Carol Ligmore.

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I'm not on it, but the mayor's going to point me on it.

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I just wanted to thank publicly, since it's under reports,

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the community center for stepping up for literally

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all three cities and actually people from towns.

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First time in my entire life, I've ever

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taken anything for free.

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And I actually felt guilty, had a hard time.

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I met a lot of people from home speech there.

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And I just think we should publicly thank them

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and maybe have the mayor recognize them for them going about or helping everybody literally.

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So anyway, you can talk about that later, but I wanted to publicly thank them for stepping

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up.

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Thank you.

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Harold.

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Sister?

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I stopped in today and spoke with Code Enforcement as the LAAs on.

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I tried to bring their voice to the meetings.

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They're back running.

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They're in a very small confined space because they lost their office.

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that they are up they have been canvassing the area they have found quite a

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number of non-certified people working as contractors and they brought them in to

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either get them registered certified contractors or they left the city. Nate

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is back on his detective run so he's out making sure that everyone is

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advertising and being up to date on all the code. The enforcement of the different ordinances

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had been a little lax because of all the other responsibilities they assumed outside of code

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compliance. But now we have a new magistrate so the special magistrate meetings will begin again

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and code is up and running and in force.

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Thank you.

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Jerry, any comments?

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I attended the Minnesota League of Cities meeting that was held on December 12th.

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The primary purpose was to discuss replacement of a very long-serving,

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very effective administrative coordinator by the name of Gail Leffler.

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Gale had submitted her resignation a couple of months ago and because of the

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storm she agreed to continue on until all cities could get back on their feet

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and discuss the replacement.

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Longboat Key has minimal space and has asked the

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League to relocate all of the meetings for the past several years long

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long before I was the liaison, have been held at Longboat Key, which makes sense because

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for those of you not necessarily familiar with the League of Cities, it's comprised of

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the nine cities that are located within Manatee and Sarasota counties.

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That board has one representative each.

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So Longboat Key was kind of the middle point in that the northernmost city is Palmetto.

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The southernmost is Northport.

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So that was part of the discussion. Charlie Salem and I were asked to draft a revised

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job description along with an ad for the position. And once complete applicants will be given

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a couple of weeks to respond, at which time a panel of four members of the Minnesota League

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of Cities will review applications and begin interviews. A recommendation will be made

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at the January 23rd meeting in order to make an offer to one of the applicants.

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I'm an hourly rates were finalized for the position and new members were introduced.

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Charlie Salem, a new member representing Anna Maria, Demetrius, Johnson of Northport,

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and Nick Pechota, mayor of Northport, Dmitrius from, I didn't write his city down, I'm sorry, I missed that.

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Anyway, three new members representing the member of a nine-member board.

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The city of Sarasota offered as a potential meeting place following their commission's approval.

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The alternative of the nine city will be a nine city rotation which was discussed

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and will be decided upon at a future meeting.

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We also discussed legislative priorities.

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Home speech was the only list that had been completed at that time

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and all members were asked to submit to the league their respective legislative priorities for 2025.

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The next meeting again was set for January 23rd.

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Next Judy and I have had several discussions regarding a meeting with Will Robinson concerning

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the Opaga report and there's certainly interest on all, on behalf of all three cities to

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meet mayors and others to discuss that situation when it is revealed to us and Judy

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I think it's going to follow up on a perspective date.

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Also met with Judy to discuss, you might remember having been here in a multitude of volunteers

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many of whom are here today, we've composed a letter of thank you noting just an incredible

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outpouring of the community from within and without.

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I know the Chief has reported previously, in addition to the 32 different police departments

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that came to our aid, there were many civic organizations, individuals that stepped forward

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for our city and for others, and for that reason we've composed a letter which commissioners

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and the mayor are signing today.

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I also want to report, we will be presenting our legislative priorities at the Manatee

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County Delegation Meeting on January 9th.

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This is an opportunity for each city and each county to come forward with their legislative

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priorities, which are essentially suggestions to delegate members from both counties of

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consideration of legislation having to do with each city. We've also had

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discussion with the other two cities and it makes sense to have some commonality

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of those items which we can include on our respective to include on all three

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cities in the future legislative priorities starting next year. So with

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With that, I think it would result in a more cohesive island approach to legislative priorities

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in addition to individual city's request at that time.

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And with that, Secretary, nothing enough for me to report, and I'll turn it over to the

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mayor to give the state of the city.

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Thank you.

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And what a city it has, what a year it has been.

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Okay, it is my privilege to share with you the state of the city report for the City of Homes Beach.

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We have again accomplished much this year.

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I would like to express my sincere gratitude and appreciation to all staff for their preparation

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and recovery efforts from this past hurricane season.

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Although I had hoped we would have once again dodged a bullet,

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it was this year that our resiliency was tested by not one but three major storms.

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I am extremely proud of the resolve of our city staff and of the entire community in

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the commendable efforts made in getting our city cleaned up, our streets and sidewalks

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safe, and many of our businesses back opened.

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Our citizens and business owners and island churches experienced a tremendous loss.

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This will take years to recover from.

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I urge all to support our island community by shopping locally as this

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will go a long way in supporting their recovery. I also encourage all to continue

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lending a hand to your neighbor as they work to rebuild their homes. They are

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still experiencing the heartache from losing all their possessions and the

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suffering could be with them for a very long time. I once again urge all

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property owners to take remediation efforts as you rebuild as climate change

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will continue to play a significant role in the intensity of future storms.

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Helene was a major flooding event that created a tremendous amount of

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household and construction debris. This city has removed 125,000 cubic yards of

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debris from the roadways. In fact, I think it's up to 127,000. This was one of the largest

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efforts in history of all island cities, and it was a tremendous effort by our contracted

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debris haulers, debris monitors, and our public work staff. We can meet the state

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deadlines for 100% reimbursement, and I am thankful that the approximate $5 million

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and debris recovery costs alone will not be borne on the backs of the taxpayers.

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The debris removal objective was only one of many objectives of Dress Daily

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in the city's response and recovery efforts.

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The city provided for the safety of its citizens and public employees

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to expedite the return of our property owners and their contractors in record time.

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We opened City Hall immediately post hurricane to assist all in need.

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We facilitated the restoration of public utilities.

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We supported the comfort station and emergency supplies at the island library.

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We maintained clear and effective communication internally and externally between city, county, state, and the public.

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We completed rapid and substantial damage assessments ensuring proper documentation was collected for recovery.

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identified long-term planning needs to include staff rest, work cycles, with the

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assistance of mutual aid from all over the country. We coordinated with county,

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state, and federal partners on external assessment teams available

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recovery resources and accompanying public messaging. We ensured volunteer

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hours and donations were appropriately documented when utilized. We immediately

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launched a no-fee expedited permitting and extended hours in the building

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department to assist in the recovery efforts of our businesses and property

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owners. We are currently monitoring the status of red tide to implement an

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incident action plan and resources if necessary.

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I thank the entire EOC team

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and the Commission for their support in our ability to meet these objectives.

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We worked hard over the years developing a comprehensive emergency

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management plan, and it was tested. Although I rest better at night knowing

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we successfully accomplished this mission, let's all hope and pray that Mother

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Nature will give us a reprieve next hurricane season. Now for notable updates

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on departments and in my attempt to shorten this address, which is quite

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difficult, I'll only be commenting on key points. I am pleased to say the

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Development Services Department, which includes the building, planning, zoning, and code compliance

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are running exceptionally smoothly on their day-to-day work, and we're also key players

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in our recovery efforts. Legislative work included changes to our commercial zone districts,

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sign code, noise ordinance, accessory structures, fences, pools, encroachments, and seaside

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gardens non-conformities. The building department issued just under 2,000 permits of which 755

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were issued in the last eight weeks alone. They have completed just under 3,500 inspections.

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A lot has been happening in our city. Chad Miner performed the duties of plan section

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chief during the recovery efforts. Neal Schwartz is our safety officer. Kim Charan,

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She wore a lot of hats. She was our resource unit leader, our documentation unit leader,

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our situation unit leader, and our liaison officer.

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James Thomas, our Compliance Chief, reported to duty each day, along with his team,

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checking on the welfare of our citizens and business owners while also

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Also assisting in performing damage assessments.

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In February, Kim Charon, who serves on the legislative committee with the Florida Association of Code

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Enforcement, traveled to Tallahassee where she assisted a delegation team who met with

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staff from Governor DeSantis' office to discuss SB 280 and House Bill 1537.

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This would have preempted the regulation of vacation rentals to the state and further

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limited home rule. This delegation presented evidence and facts to support

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how the bill would negatively impact local municipalities and restrict

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home rule. Although this bill did eventually pass, it was later vetoed by

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the governor. Now for public works, I would like to thank Saje Kamia and the

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entire public works team for all they do for our city. The physical work

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Work performed by this department day in and day out and in the summer heat and on top

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of that the added workload in the hurricane recovery did not go unnoticed.

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We received many accolades from our community as to how much they appreciate their kindness

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and their hard work.

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As operation section chief for recovery, Saje Kamia did an outstanding job leading the

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recovery efforts.

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Our logistics section chief Lindsey Sherwood was also instrumental in meeting our daily objectives.

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Lindsey has been promoted to project supervisor and is to be acknowledged for recently passing the state fundamentals of engineering exam.

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The six hour exam is ministered by the National Council examiners for engineers in surveying,

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and he's essentially the first of three steps required to be a licensed professional engineer in Florida.

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She is now formally referred to as an engineer intern as approved by the Florida Board of

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Professional Engineers. We are very proud of Lindsay and look forward to watching her

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progress in her engineering career.

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I surprised you on that one Lindsay.

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Resiliency is a major challenge for Barrier Island communities in the efforts this team has made

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in our HMGP, SWIFT MUD, ARPA, and state appropriation stormwater capital improvement projects is

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commendable. Our current projects include citywide vulnerability assessment through

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the FDEP, Florida Resilient Planning Grant, which will identify needs for future funding

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opportunities. We're under-designed for a Florida Resiliency

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Capital Improvement Project, which will improve resiliency on Gulf Drive between

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Homes Boulevard and Marina Drive by adding stormwater infrastructure along this corridor.

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We're currently working on an FHWA Safe Streets for All action plan funded by the US DOT.

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We've completed our phase FG and I stormwater improvements. We've upgraded 20 road crossings

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throughout the city. We completed the new grassy point boardwalk. We resurfaced 22 roadways.

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We finalize designation of over 500 beach parking spaces.

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The Public Works crew are continuing their maintenance and improvements of all city parks,

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right-of-ways, storm soils, infiltration, inlets, outfalls, as well as repairing sidewalks

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and maintaining landscaping.

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Our city park improvements this year included the resurfacing of the tennis courts

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and the replacement of the fencing.

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These improvements were donated by the Hagan Foundation.

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We have identified priority flood prone areas which included feedback from our stormwater community workshop.

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These are currently under-designed for current and future funding opportunities and include improvements and the addition of stormwater infrastructures to alleviate flooding in these areas.

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We're continuing the replacement and upsizing of failing pipes, inlets, boxes, and outfalls,

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which include the addition and replacements of critical tide valves throughout our city.

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And we are currently making improvements to the Seaside Gardens storm infrastructure

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over there at the Homes Beachboat ramp.

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I once again thank the Christmas Elves for finding the time and making our city

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magical this holiday season by the installation of our holiday lighting in

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our city Christmas tree. Okay website and social media strategist Matt McDonough

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continues to make improvements to our city website and is doing a great job

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utilizing social media to educate all on the great things happening in our

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city and of our Islanders for Clean Water campaign. Both sites have been

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seen by thousands which just confirms how truly special this little slice of

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paradise is to the world. Matt also assists me and our public information officer during

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emergency response and as I mentioned at the last meeting, we have added another tool in

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our toolbox by providing text alerts to our citizens during these incidents. This will

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allow them to receive area-specific storm response and recovery updates. City Treasurer

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Julie Marcotte. She took the ball and ran with it. She is a central part of the

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team and she's doing a most commendable job managing the budgets, payables, payroll,

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and our audits. She is a true asset to the city and the fact that she came on

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with very limited training preceding two catastrophic storm events and is

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still here today says a lot about her resilience and her commitment to our

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City. Julie is performing the duties of finance section chief during our

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recovery effort.

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This department I would like to thank the chief for another year

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in keeping us safe. Chief Tokinger is the operation section chief and public

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information officer for our response team and he did a tremendous job in our

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hurricane response. His officers continue to put their lives on the line each day

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for our residents and guests and I thank them for their service.

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City Clerk's Office. I thank Stacey and Michelle for all they do for the city. Their customer

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skills have been tested these past couple of months and I appreciate the kindness they

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showed the community and they're willing to assist the commission in all departments.

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I don't think anyone wanted to answer all those phone calls but you all did and you

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did a tremendous job. They are a true asset to the community and to the city.

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Human resources, Maureen Glove continues to do an outstanding job assisting all employees

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with benefits, needs, and certifications.

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The extra hours and commitment made by her and her continued willingness to do whatever

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is asked is appreciated more than she will ever know.

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As Mayor, I continue to stand strong in my belief that all natural resources have

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limits in human capacity and out of respect for our waters, beaches, and the wildlife

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I will continue to urge all to reduce their impacts.

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I also stand strong in my beliefs that the City of Homes Beach is a treasure

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because leaders have respected the comprehensive plan

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and worked hard to make sure that the city continues to be a beautiful place to visit

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and a wonderful place to live.

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We provide balance in a community made up of many competing elements.

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We have done this by understanding the value of quality of life

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and the value in protecting our residential community and our natural resources.

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I would like to thank the commissioners. These accomplishments couldn't have happened without your support.

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And to the staff, your energy and kindness has not gone unnoticed.

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I would like to congratulate Congressman Buchanan, Representative Will Robinson, Commissioner Chair George Cruz,

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our district representative commissioner Tal Siddique and our other newly elected

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county commissioners. I look forward to working with them and Senator Boyd this

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next year as we continue to keep home speech a home we are all proud of. Thank

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you again it has been an honor to serve and I look forward to more years

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serving the citizens of home speech.

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Thank you mayor it's really nice to see

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the public works department here. You guys have worked long and hard hours for two months.

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They've acted normal now, Saje, as far as normal hours? Almost, okay. You guys cleaned up this

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city very well. It looked like an impossible task at first, but you did a great job. Thank

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you. Now, the next thing on the agenda is liaison appointments by the mayor.

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Okay, you all have them in your packets, our 2024-25 lays on appointments.

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This is where you attend the certain meetings, you come back and you bring the information

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to the commissioners.

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I don't know if you're still going to ask them to put it in writing so we don't have

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lengthy discussions before our meeting.

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But our commissioner, Dan Diggins, will be the Island Transportation Planning Organization

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and also Tourist Development Council.

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Commissioner Pat Morton is buildings and grounds, roads, bridges, drainage, canals, and erosion,

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and he's also recycling and solid waste.

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Commissioner Terry Schaefer is AMI Elementary, the Clean Water Ad Hoc Committee, the Legislative Liaison.

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He's our Minnesota League of Cities, Manatee County Council of Governments, and the Police Pension Board.

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Commissioner Carol Seustich is code enforcement, grassy point preserve, planning commission, and recreation beautification, and parks.

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And Commissioner Carol Whitmore is Annemarie Island Chamber of Commerce, the barrier island election officials, and she's the alternate for the legislative and the center of Annemarie Island.

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And I thank you all for this assistance.

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That any questions from any of the commissioners on it here

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When I met with the mayor just if other commissioners attend there is one lays on that represents the board

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But any commissioner can attend any other meetings. Mm-hmm. And that's the way it's always been, right?

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Because I know at the county of governments there are used to be two or three home speech commissioners in different various cities

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They would all show not just one and they still do

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Okay, thanks

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Next item on the agenda is city board or commission board and committee.

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Recognitions.

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I should put my glasses on.

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Stacy, you guys.

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Yep.

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Hello, everybody.

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I've got a great crowd.

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This is a fun time because we get to recognize our citizens and some of our board members for serving us for this year.

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It takes a group effort to come up with some of the awards that the Mayor will be presenting,

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but I have a couple of them I'm going to do.

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Every year we honor and recognize our commissioners or the members of committees

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who are no longer serving on that committee.

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They have left the committee for some reason, many times they leave town.

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We only had one this year.

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So that says a lot for the stability of our members of our committee.

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So we've been very lucky.

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We don't have any openings on the committees, which if you are interested in ever serving,

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please apply because you never know when we might have one.

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But this year we have one, and that is Jim McDaniel.

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Unfortunately, he was unable to be here for this meeting.

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But Jim McDaniel was a former director of development of the Center of the...

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Sure, thank you. Jim McDaniel was former development director for the Center of Anne Maria.

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And he served on our city's Clean Water Ad Hoc Committee.

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He served from September 2021 through March 2024.

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And he was an excellent member of the committee.

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He also served as vice chair and I just give him a round of applause for just being here

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and participating with that group.

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Now we have a former city commissioner.

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May I ask Commissioner Kirchner to come down please?

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We

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hated to lose Greg.

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He is such a great guy.

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This special recognition goes to former city commissioner Greg Kirchner who served one term on the city commission

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from 2022 through 2024.

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And a little bit of history about his tenure with the city.

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He first began serving the city in July of 2019 when he was

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appointed to fill the unexpired term of long-term planning

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commission member, Sylvia Harris.

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And she was more than happy to relinquish her title.

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And then a year later, he was in 2020, he was appointed

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as a planning commissioner's chair.

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He served that board very well. He was an amazing chair for two years, if I do say so myself.

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They reviewed numerous land development code changes while serving

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and he led the board through the entire comprehensive plan rewrite.

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He was fortunate to see the comprehensive plan to his final adoption

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and I would say that we're very proud of it and I think he probably is too

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and we thank the commission for approving that.

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In 2022 then Commissioner Kirchner took a leap of faith, leap of something he says and ran as City Commissioner and he won.

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He has been an outstanding City Commissioner while serving the City of Homes Beach and I personally and I think everyone here can say he did.

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A fine service for our city. Thank you, Commissioner Kirchner. I hope you will come back and serve

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again.

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And who knows, we may have an opening on the Friday Commission someday again.

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And

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now I'm going to turn it over to our wonderful Mayor.

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Slip one end.

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Our police department did win a small agency Outstanding Crime Prevention

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unit of the year award and I'd like to share it with the public. I'll say a

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little thing about it. It's the Home Speech Police Department on a regular day

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the city has approximately 15,000 to 20,000 residents and visitors. On

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weekends and holidays the city can see a population increase of 30,000 to 50,000

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people along a 3.5 mile stretch of Annemarie Island. The city is

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patrolled by a sergeant and two officers at any time. The agency has a total of 18 sworn

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officers, including the chief of police.

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The Crime Prevention Unit of the Homespeech Police

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Department is just one of the great divisions formed with only three members, a sergeant

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who also works as a patrol supervisor, one detective, and a single-code compliance officer.

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The Crime Prevention Unit is tasked with providing various presentations and classes

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services to the community, CEPTED surveys, and the planning city and agency events.

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Some of the significant events this year have included coffee with a cop, ice cream with

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a cop, bike education safety events, Snook Adams Day beach cleanups, City Hall forums

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where residents meet the officers in hurricane preparedness.

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Active shooter presentations to residents and businesses cooked during school events

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Chief's Grill Team and our biggest plan city event held in December which was the

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Slave Bell Social last year. Now if Mount Titsworth would ever go away we could

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have that event again.

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The Crime Prevention Unit also partners and works

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events with Keep Manatee Beautiful, West Manatee Fire Rescue, Manatee County

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Bridging the Gap, Manatee County Safety Coalition and Kiwanis Club and

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the Salvation Army. Okay, Sergeant, where are you? Where's Josh? There you are, come

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here.

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okay. Our next one is our Employee of the Year.

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This year's Employee of the Year

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was selected for being a key team member in an integral part of keeping our city government

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working. They are Quince essential. Quince essential. Thanks, Ajay. Could you pick a bigger word?

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I know. Quince essential behind the scenes employee who never asked to be recognized and preferred

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to do their job without even being noticed. When this individual is out of this office,

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their absence does not go without notice. As one of our long-standing employees with

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over 12 years of service to the City of Holmes Beach, our employee of the year has received

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the Public Works Employee of the Month on several occasions. He never shies away from

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a problem and is always willing to help a fellow co-worker or to develop a solution

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to a new problem. You'll often find him up to his elbows and mud fixing a sprinkler

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in city field or up to his waist in trash or worse cleaning a comfort station.

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Where this individual excels, though, is his desire to serve the city and the city co-workers.

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Among numerous other duties, he's always willing to help with table setup or changing the city hall sign message

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without ever complaining and never fails to greet each day with a smile.

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Please help me congratulate this year's employee of the year, Public Works crew leader, Mike Capella.

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Thank you. Thank you very much.

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That was good.

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This goes to my whole crew.

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Everybody's leaving. Cover's blown.

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They came just for you.

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Okay, next is our community

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partner.

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and and this is this is something we do each year for if there's a business or

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person or an organization that just goes above and beyond and contributes to the

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City of Homes Beach the city is very pleased this year to once again honor the

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Hagan Family Foundation for their continued support of the community and

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helping to make a difference in our community and fortunately we do not

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have a representative in attendance to accept the award, but we will be sending it to them.

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This year the Hagan Foundation was responsible for all the improvements that was made on

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the tennis courts. They got resurfaced, they're getting new fencing, and I believe we also

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did fencing at the pickleball courts. So a lot of the improvements in our city

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field is all thanks to the Hagan Foundation.

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The

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other thing we're doing with our community partnership award is, we, did anyone realize

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we had a couple of storms and these storms brought out some of the worst in people but

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it really brought out more of the good and the good did not go unnoticed.

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I mean we were, we would get here hungry, we would get here tired and the amount of

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people that came forward from all over the county, the state, it was just it was

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amazing. That first hot meal do you remember when we had that we were eating

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so many cold cats and cheese and buns and donuts and when we first got that

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first hot meal it was it was pretty exciting. So I have a list that I want

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want to read. What we have done, coins,

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these are, a

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lot of them didn't, you know, had messed

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up homes themselves, but they came out and they gave back. And so we are sharing that

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challenge coins to everybody so they can also have something.

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Yeah. Oh, go ahead and pass

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them out. The whole audience. We finally have people in our chambers. This is awesome.

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You deserve a coin.

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What if they don't live?

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Salvation Army. They had hot dogs and meals at Hancock.

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Haley Driscott, Mission Barbecue.

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Mark Juno, Coastal Conservation Association from Louisiana.

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The Livingston chapter. 2,500 meals.

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4 pallets of water, cleaning supplies, pet food, towels, socks, generators, maintenance

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supplies, you name it. Paul Clement, ice, water, and 1,500 meals. Lori Wagner, 15

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pizzas for PD officers. Bayside Church, 80 meals. Slicker's eatery, 20 meals.

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Itchak in Madeleine, Levy, Levy, Isaac,

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it's not what it says, oh, 700 burgers, Operation

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Burger Relief, 8,800 meals, that was amazing, Hurricane Hanks, lunch to first responders

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in the city staff. Pizzanos, 200 meals. Bridge Church, they came to City Hall and supplied

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100 meals. Florin Decor, 200 meals. Guy Fiori Foundation, Food for City Workers and First

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Responders. The Doctor's Office, Sean Murphy, the Hurricane Recovery Get-Together.

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From

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the community. We had a Mission Barbecue meal that was sponsored. How many meals? Greg, are

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you still here? He left. Was that 2,000 meals? 1,000 meals? Greg and Kathy Kirschner. There

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was an anonymous donor, Carol Seustich, Dan Diggins, Terry and his wife. Chuck and Carol

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Bode, Bodie, Joseph Ireland and Denise Pepperd, Robert and Jody Malini, Joe and Nancy Tynan

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and also Mission Barbecue.

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Debris cleanup, Keep Manatee Beautiful, Milton Crew from Santa Rosa.

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They helped with public works.

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They really appreciated that assistance.

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Joe Hansen Bond, he worked with answering phones.

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Jacksonville Fire Department, Keith Powers and Fire Chief.

456
00:41:09,010 --> 00:41:17,010
FDOT operations, FDOT district secretary, Manatee County, state EOC, FDEM, CDR logistics,

457
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:20,830
and Woodruff and Sons also supplied back trucks.

458
00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:27,520
Texas A&M, Manatee County Beach Patrol,

459
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:32,020
and West Manatee Fire and Rescue District. We had police agencies.

460
00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:37,480
The Ventura Police Department, Bal Harbor Village Police Department, Braden Police

461
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,940
Coral Gables Police Department, Edgewater, Florida Highway Patrol, Fort Walton Beach,

462
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:51,120
Golden Beach, Gulf Breeze, Homestead, Key Biscayne, Lynn Haven, Manatee County Sheriff's, Miami

463
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:58,020
Beach, Miami Police, Miami Shores, Miami Springs, Miami-Dade, Mikosuke, New College.

464
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,860
What, are we that terrible out here?

465
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,860
That's a lot of police, and I'm not done.

466
00:42:03,860 --> 00:42:12,780
New College, North Miami Beach, Ocala Police Department, Opaloka, Opaloka, Opalocki, Opalocki,

467
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:19,600
Almeto Police, Panama City Beach, Panama City Police, Pensacola Police, Pinecrest Police,

468
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Port St. Joe Police, South Miami Police, Tallahassee Police Department, and West Miami Police Department.

469
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:28,780
These police departments are on 24-7.

470
00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:34,460
So everyone had to change out shifts, so everyone got their sleep.

471
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:39,180
And it was just a tremendous outpouring of mutual aid.

472
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,800
And we plan on giving back as well.

473
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,860
But they will all be getting these challenge coins.

474
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,900
And if I left anyone off, which I'm sure I did, please reach out to the city clerk

475
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:53,840
so we can also give them challenge coins as well.

476
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,400
And I will supply each of you some, a handful of each.

477
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:03,880
So when you meet somebody and you remember they were a big help and a friend of the city please share those with them as well

478
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,520
Wait,

479
00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:10,200
I have a citizen of the year

480
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:16,280
my favorite

481
00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:22,960
Louie strict incident citizen of the year who remembers Louie from Publix

482
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,360
Okay, more people are going to remember Louie from Publix

483
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Everybody knew Louie and Louie knew everybody and we all got those great wet kisses. We just Louie was amazing

484
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:41,120
He really loved the city, he loved the community, and I don't think I've ever met a kinder man.

485
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:46,100
So when it was time to come up with our Citizen of the Year, I said who better to name it

486
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:47,600
after than Louis Strickland.

487
00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:53,320
This year's Citizen of the Year has been an integral part of Helms Beach community for

488
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:53,940
many years.

489
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:58,360
This individual has been so supportive of the city staff and community by partnering

490
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:04,160
with local organizations, advocating for local causes, and donating resources.

491
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:11,080
All core values that fosters a positive inclusive environment and promotes growth and well-being in our community.

492
00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:17,720
I'm very pleased to announce that the 2024 Citizen of the Year is Sean Murphy.

493
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,400
To name a few things about Sean and his association with the city,

494
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,200
Sean has served on the police pension board since December 2002.

495
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,900
You should have seen how good I looked at him.

496
00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:59,920
In 2018 he was elected to serve on the 2019 Charter

497
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,240
Preview Commission, serving as their vice chair. Sean participated with the writing of several

498
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:10,400
revisions to the city's charter. He has organized numerous St. Patty Day parades, enjoyed by thousands

499
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,720
from all around the world. How many of those did you do?

500
00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:23,700
Twenty. Oh my gosh, yes. This year, Sean assisted me with the Florida Mayor's Association's

501
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:28,820
quarterly meeting. It was held at the doctor's office garden where he opened up his garden

502
00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:29,980
Well his little

503
00:45:30,820 --> 00:45:37,660
That one little garden room space in the morning and served his breakfast. It was amazing. It was the most delicious breakfast

504
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:43,520
He is also hosted at two after hurricane parties at the doctor's office garden

505
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:49,440
For the citizens everything was free. That was amazing. I attended one of those

506
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,980
While this is only a few of Sean's participation with the city of Holmes Beach

507
00:45:53,980 --> 00:46:00,500
I would like to say Sean is also just an all-around kind and giving citizen and man and absolutely

508
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:03,160
deserves being this year's citizen of the year.

509
00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:19,300
I'm just grateful to everybody that the mayor already thanked.

510
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,080
I'll mention JT in particular so he gets three times he gets mentioned.

511
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:30,870
My family have lived in this island for 40 years.

512
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:36,670
I cannot imagine a better place, a safer place.

513
00:46:37,390 --> 00:46:44,860
This has been a great place to live in, and it's the city, the commissioners that did a thankless job,

514
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:49,020
and all of the city workers that have made it that way for me for a very, very long time.

515
00:46:50,380 --> 00:46:52,520
I'm grateful. This is seasoning.

516
00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:55,640
Thank you all very, very much. It means a great deal to me.

517
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,360
I'm going to entrust it to J.T. for safe keeping because he's got the other one.

518
00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:17,340
J.T., you're making out pretty well today, aren't you?

519
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,880
All right, next on the agenda, comments from the public.

520
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,640
We're going to have a public hearing in a little while to deal with a site plan.

521
00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:33,300
Anything, any comments that you have for that will occur during the public hearing.

522
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:37,040
Anybody have any comments about any subject other than the site plan?

523
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:44,000
I see none.

524
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,280
We'll move on to the next agenda item, which is Unfinished Business.

525
00:47:47,580 --> 00:47:48,160
Mr. Chair.

526
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:48,620
Yes.

527
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:54,420
You may want to recognize former County Administrator Sherry Corey's in the audience.

528
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:55,540
Oh, I'm sorry.

529
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:57,160
Congratulations, all of us.

530
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,140
Thank you for attending.

531
00:47:59,660 --> 00:48:00,080
Thank you.

532
00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:05,600
She was hiding behind somebody.

533
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:09,640
All right.

534
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,880
Thank you, Carol.

535
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:22,520
We don't have any unfinished business, so we'll go into new business, and it's the Federal Disaster Loan Program Revolving Options, and that'll be presented by Ms. Nunez.

536
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:24,100
Thank you.

537
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:41,140
My name is Anna Nunez. I am the Public Affairs Specialist for the U.S. Small Business Administration, Office of Disaster Recovery and Resilience.

538
00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:48,760
A couple of weeks ago I was in Virginia with 15 degree weather and with snow and so it blew

539
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,800
my mind to come here to see the beach.

540
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,900
I'm also here as a disaster survivor.

541
00:48:56,220 --> 00:48:59,760
I am from Houston, Texas and no first hand.

542
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:09,980
The difficulty and challenges of hurricanes, tropical storms and flooding, please know that

543
00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:13,460
and my heart is with you because I understand.

544
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,460
First, I wanna thank you.

545
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,920
I wanna thank the city of Holmes Beach

546
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,840
for allowing me to share this information

547
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,140
with your constituents about the

548
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:25,540
Presidential Florida Declaration for both

549
00:49:25,540 --> 00:49:28,420
Hurricanes Milton and Hurricane Helene.

550
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:32,720
But before I go on, I really wanna thank

551
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,560
Ms. Stacy Johnston, city clerk for her excellence

552
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:37,380
and her perseverance.

553
00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:44,780
Apparently, I don't know, I've already contacted her IT, but her emails were bouncing back and

554
00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:50,960
she was trying to confirm me and I still showed up, so I'm glad that this worked out, but

555
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,600
she A for effort.

556
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:58,580
So thank you for coordinating the SBA to allow us to present today.

557
00:49:59,020 --> 00:50:06,520
In times of disaster, the SBA helps businesses, non-profit organizations, home owners,

558
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:13,020
and renters with their uninsured or under-insured disaster-related losses.

559
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:20,080
You do not have to own a business to apply for an SBA disaster loan.

560
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,720
Your city falls within Manatee County, which was declared a primary county

561
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:28,360
in the Florida Presidential Disaster Declarations,

562
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:36,320
and you are eligible for both physical and economic injury disaster loans from the SBA.

563
00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:42,860
Before going forward, folks, I've left a whole bunch of flyers on the outside on the desk,

564
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,740
so you can get more information.

565
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:53,260
So, very quickly, Manatee County residents can apply for three types of SBA disaster loans.

566
00:50:53,260 --> 00:51:02,000
One is a business physical damage loan for up to $2 million to cover physical damage and financial losses.

567
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:15,140
A home disaster loan for up to $500,000 to cover damage to primary residents and up to $100,000 for homeowners and renters

568
00:51:15,140 --> 00:51:21,360
to replace disaster damaged personal properties such as your clothing, furniture,

569
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:28,880
appliances, and vehicles. Finally, the economic injury disaster loans for up to

570
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,520
two million dollars to help small businesses and nonprofits to meet

571
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:39,160
ordinary and necessary financial obligations. Some benefits of an SBA

572
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:45,820
disaster loan is there is no fee to apply for an SBA low fixed interest rate

573
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:52,260
loans with terms up to 30 years no payment and no interest for 12 months no

574
00:51:52,260 --> 00:51:57,200
need to wait for insurance to settle before applying funds are also available

575
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,600
to build back better and protect as the mayor said against future disasters

576
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,240
These are called mitigation loans.

577
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:14,160
Folks who are offered an SBA disaster loan are also under no obligation to take the loan,

578
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:17,260
and you have 60 days to decide whether to accept.

579
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,480
We recommend apply.

580
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:27,800
The SBA Business Recovery and Assessment Center, there is one, I know it's a little far,

581
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:35,140
but it is in Tampa and is open and it is a one-stop business assistant center where

582
00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:41,540
folks can stop by and get information but that doesn't mean we cannot help all

583
00:52:41,540 --> 00:52:48,220
these constituents here. We invite folks if they want to come to that center. It's

584
00:52:48,220 --> 00:52:55,860
open Monday through Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. and Saturday 9 to 2. However, folks

585
00:52:55,860 --> 00:53:05,020
can anyone can easily apply by visiting SBA.gov forward slash disaster or

586
00:53:05,020 --> 00:53:13,640
calling 1-800-659-2955 and again flyers are outside so you can get the

587
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:18,780
information. So this is the most important part. The application deadline

588
00:53:18,780 --> 00:53:27,020
For physical damage loans has been extended to January the 7th of 2025.

589
00:53:28,140 --> 00:53:36,280
The deadline application for economic injury disaster loans is July the 11th, 2025.

590
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,500
So those are two key dates.

591
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:46,380
We respectfully request the City of Holmes Beach Commissioners,

592
00:53:46,380 --> 00:53:54,720
Please provide this information to your constituents. We welcome a list of businesses that perhaps I'm going to step back

593
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,860
I know in Texas. I've heard you know business. I even heard it in Virginia. Well other folks

594
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,160
Need it more than me. No

595
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:11,100
We we want to help everyone if there are businesses if there are areas that you need us to specially target

596
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:15,200
We will we are here to help and partner with you

597
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:23,800
We would want to also partner folks with unmet needs to score business mentoring,

598
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,520
small business development centers and other resources.

599
00:54:27,820 --> 00:54:32,140
Please invite us to any upcoming meetings or presentations, workshops.

600
00:54:32,660 --> 00:54:37,580
We are here to help provide working capital loans for small businesses

601
00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:41,940
and nonprofits that were not able to meet their financial obligations.

602
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,380
We are here to help and we really want to thank you for your important partnership

603
00:54:47,380 --> 00:54:52,160
because you are trusted leaders in your community to get the word out

604
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,600
and thank you for working together for disaster recovery.

605
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:57,640
Thank you.

606
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:00,200
Yes, sir.

607
00:55:00,460 --> 00:55:02,500
Can you take some questions?

608
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:03,600
Yes, sir.

609
00:55:05,460 --> 00:55:10,640
The question is, in my former life, our organization was an SBA lender,

610
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:16,740
but if I understand you properly, these go directly to SB and not through a commercial bank.

611
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:17,740
Correct.

612
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:29,640
Okay, that's great. I think the awareness of this at a time like this of these resources is tremendous

613
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:37,220
and I would suggest we get this information to the businesses in our community, duplicate this

614
00:55:37,220 --> 00:55:41,080
and send it to the businesses in our community and also share it with them.

615
00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:44,840
I think Carol's the new liaison for the Chamber of Counties.

616
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:50,200
I'm sure the Chamber has a synchronization of objectives as well.

617
00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:54,180
So today, I'm actually responsible for Manatee County.

618
00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:00,520
I did reach out to the Chamber, and I forwarded all the chambers that are in my jurisdiction.

619
00:56:01,220 --> 00:56:04,140
So I've also emailed, I'll figure it out.

620
00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:06,660
I called IT already, and we're going to figure this out.

621
00:56:06,660 --> 00:56:14,420
But she has all the materials electronically that can be easily shared, including today.

622
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,120
There is another flyer on mitigation.

623
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,660
So we want to help build back better and protect our communities.

624
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,140
So I have to say and then I'm going to leave.

625
00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:32,120
I have, this is one of the warmest commissioner meetings I've ever attended.

626
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,080
And I've been through many states and many, many counties.

627
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,760
and you all feel like family.

628
00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:38,220
Well, thank you.

629
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:39,160
Thank you.

630
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:46,030
Because it's such an important topic,

631
00:56:46,790 --> 00:56:48,930
does anybody from the public have a question for Anna?

632
00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:51,540
Go ahead.

633
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,340
You've got to come up here.

634
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:55,080
Yeah.

635
00:56:56,060 --> 00:56:57,160
You want to be on TV?

636
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,880
You also answer the question,

637
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:07,220
what interests the loans are.

638
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,560
A lot of people want to know that.

639
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:09,020
I

640
00:57:21,310 --> 00:57:22,630
do have a flyer on that,

641
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:24,070
and I will forward that again.

642
00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:26,930
I will give you more specific information.

643
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:29,090
We are at a lower interest rates.

644
00:57:29,090 --> 00:57:37,870
It varies on businesses and homeowners and for funding we are and waiting because Congress

645
00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:43,470
has to, they're not in session and they have to refund us but the way we are working is

646
00:57:43,470 --> 00:57:49,230
that if you, we need to get everyone to apply and if you're already in the queue, approve,

647
00:57:49,470 --> 00:57:54,270
first come, first serve and so that is who we are going to then extend the funding

648
00:57:54,270 --> 00:57:54,630
to.

649
00:57:54,630 --> 00:58:01,850
So it's important for you to get approved and apply and then you know the new year is coming

650
00:58:01,850 --> 00:58:05,370
And I will give you additional information and follow up

651
00:58:06,350 --> 00:58:07,310
Thank you

652
00:58:27,380 --> 00:58:28,820
Gail Tatum's

653
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,600
67th Street, so

654
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,440
You peak my interest when you said renters were eligible

655
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,820
What do you have to be a US citizen because I know people from both Canada and Germany is that requirement?

656
00:58:48,750 --> 00:58:51,390
I believe that you have to be a US citizen

657
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:33,390
the public hearing right now and we'll entertain comments during the public hearing.

658
00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:41,310
This is about the Holmes Beach Island Bazaar and Miniature Golf site plan and I'll open the public meeting at this time

659
00:59:47,090 --> 00:59:52,530
Well, so he opened the public hearing which is fine, so yeah, he's got a cheat sheet

660
00:59:52,530 --> 00:59:54,570
So we open the public hearing and then we'll go ahead

661
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:13,400
Resolution 24-13, a resolution of the city of Holmes Beach, Florida approving a site plan

662
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:20,100
and special exception requests for the properties located at 5327 and 5325 Gulf Drive, Holmes

663
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:27,080
Beach, Florida 34217 within the C3 slash mixed use overlay district owned by Island Bazaar

664
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:33,540
Gulf Drive LLC. To allow for a multi-use commercial facility consisting of retail, indoor and outdoor

665
01:00:33,540 --> 01:00:38,880
restaurant dining, miniature golf, arcade, tour boat, and ice cream shop, and associated improvements.

666
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:44,140
And approving a special exception for an outdoor recreation facility and amplified music at the

667
01:00:44,140 --> 01:00:50,920
properties located at 5327 and 5325 Gulf Drive Holmes Beach, Florida 34217,

668
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:55,480
owned by Island Bazaar Gulf Drive LLC, providing for conditions of approval,

669
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,020
providing for findings of fact, providing for recording of documents, providing for

670
01:01:00,020 --> 01:01:02,620
severability, and providing for an effective date.

671
01:01:05,730 --> 01:01:08,290
Thank you. Are there any

672
01:01:09,110 --> 01:01:16,010
commission comments? Exparte? I have Exparte. I was in the audience but

673
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:19,590
wasn't elected at the point when you had the first meeting regarding this. I

674
01:01:19,590 --> 01:01:24,170
don't think it was formal meeting, but I left because I knew if I got elected

675
01:01:24,170 --> 01:01:25,290
that I'd be voting on it.

676
01:01:25,710 --> 01:01:29,370
Also, I met with the chief before I was elected

677
01:01:29,370 --> 01:01:31,270
and we just mentioned this issue

678
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:33,550
and then somebody sent me a message on Facebook,

679
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:35,810
wanted me to comment on this issue

680
01:01:35,810 --> 01:01:38,530
and I just wrote, you know, now that I'm on the commission

681
01:01:38,530 --> 01:01:41,230
it's ex parte communication, so I can't make any comments.

682
01:01:41,870 --> 01:01:45,510
So I screenshot it, the comments in my answer

683
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:47,230
and I forward it to my city, you know.

684
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:50,060
Oh,

685
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,860
I did have ex parte communication

686
01:01:57,860 --> 01:02:06,440
with the resident of the city last night concerning amplified music and he just

687
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:12,180
closed who the resident was that you had that's pretty sure. And

688
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:25,100
now

689
01:02:40,170 --> 01:02:40,770
we'd ask the

690
01:02:40,770 --> 01:02:42,790
applicant for a presentation.

691
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,740
And just for a reminder as we do have a new chair

692
01:02:50,740 --> 01:02:57,540
and a new commissioner. For quasi-adjustable proceedings, the applicant will receive 20

693
01:02:57,540 --> 01:03:01,140
minutes to do a presentation. That includes rebuttal time, so if you'd like to save any

694
01:03:01,140 --> 01:03:04,220
time for rebuttal, please let me know, and I will be adhering to the timer.

695
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:08,700
I

696
01:03:15,390 --> 01:03:19,190
brought a revised PowerPoint presentation.

697
01:03:21,210 --> 01:03:21,710
The

698
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:08,280
screen's

699
01:04:21,370 --> 01:04:21,530
on.

700
01:04:23,230 --> 01:04:23,590
Mr.

701
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,400
Smith, how many, are there any significant changes in the new one?

702
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,100
I believe you'll find them significant.

703
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:21,900
No, I'm just saying what you brought.

704
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,220
Well, I was just going to focus

705
01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:30,130
on the couple of sheets that I would

706
01:06:36,020 --> 01:06:36,160
put.

707
01:06:36,260 --> 01:06:39,500
And also, I know we have some folks in the audience that maybe have not seen that,

708
01:06:39,660 --> 01:06:47,600
so I thought I would go through it and then, but emphasize obviously what you all were most interested in.

709
01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:54,770
Keep in mind too just as a reminder and we've discussed this before anything that was presented at the workshop cannot be

710
01:06:54,770 --> 01:07:00,330
Considered here today in light of the public hearing. So whatever you heard at the workshop guys

711
01:07:01,190 --> 01:07:04,670
However, physically possible or mentally possible to is forget you heard it

712
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:10,470
Because you can only consider the evidence as presented here today at this public hearing

713
01:07:11,230 --> 01:07:14,050
With that in mind, then I guess I'm starting over

714
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:17,250
Since you didn't really hear what I said last

715
01:07:35,250 --> 01:07:40,010
They had the site plan in their package, yes, but he wants to know that specific changes

716
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:40,510
to the plan.

717
01:07:41,030 --> 01:07:46,350
If it serves, staff could begin their presentation, and the applicant could follow up with theirs.

718
01:07:47,570 --> 01:07:49,650
That would have to be okay with the applicant first.

719
01:07:49,850 --> 01:07:50,130
That's fine.

720
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:51,270
Thank you.

721
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:53,010
Staff have a seat.

722
01:07:54,130 --> 01:07:55,550
Mine's just an oral presentation.

723
01:07:57,070 --> 01:07:58,130
Is that okay?

724
01:07:58,770 --> 01:07:58,830
Okay.

725
01:07:59,270 --> 01:08:00,090
Go ahead and have a seat.

726
01:08:00,090 --> 01:08:00,890
You can get this figured out.

727
01:08:01,330 --> 01:08:02,890
Talk while we get booted up here, okay?

728
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:07,490
Good afternoon, Chair of Members of the Commission,

729
01:08:07,690 --> 01:08:10,450
Mayor, Chad Minor Director of Development Services.

730
01:08:10,970 --> 01:08:12,850
Good afternoon, I'd like to enter into the record

731
01:08:12,850 --> 01:08:15,430
the staff report, the attachment site plan

732
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:16,590
in the following presentation.

733
01:08:17,290 --> 01:08:19,630
This is for resolution number 2413,

734
01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:22,270
site plan outdoor dining and special exception requests

735
01:08:22,270 --> 01:08:27,110
for the property located at 5327 and 5325 Golf Drive.

736
01:08:28,270 --> 01:08:32,690
The applicant is requesting concurrent site plan, special exception, and outdoor dining

737
01:08:32,690 --> 01:08:37,070
approval for development of a multi-use commercial facility consisting of retail, indoor and

738
01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:42,330
outdoor restaurant dining, major golf, outdoor recreation, arcade, tour boat, and ice cream

739
01:08:42,330 --> 01:08:43,750
shop and associated improvements.

740
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:48,370
Subject property is approximately 1.3 acres in size and is located at the northeast

741
01:08:48,370 --> 01:08:50,350
corner of Marina and Gulf Drive intersection.

742
01:08:50,350 --> 01:08:53,090
section. In conjunction with the site plan,

743
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:57,570
the applicant is requesting concurrent approval

744
01:08:57,570 --> 01:09:01,930
for outdoor dining with a total of 26 outdoor seats for the restaurant use and a special

745
01:09:01,930 --> 01:09:08,030
accession request for amplified outdoor music and outdoor recreation uses. The applicant's

746
01:09:08,030 --> 01:09:12,830
original request included amplified music for both the outdoor dining area, which is

747
01:09:12,830 --> 01:09:16,650
located on the second level, the multi-use building, and within the outdoor recreation

748
01:09:16,650 --> 01:09:21,750
area or major golf course. Since the workshop that was held on September 24th,

749
01:09:21,870 --> 01:09:25,570
2024, the applicant has revised the request and are asking for special

750
01:09:25,570 --> 01:09:29,230
exception approval for amplified music only within the major golf course

751
01:09:29,230 --> 01:09:33,390
outdoor recreation area and is not seeking amplified music in the outdoor

752
01:09:33,390 --> 01:09:38,050
dining area. The request qualifies as a major site plan per the special

753
01:09:38,050 --> 01:09:41,290
exception procedures within the line development code and staff has

754
01:09:41,290 --> 01:09:46,030
evaluated all the requests concurrently as they were mutually dependent. A

755
01:09:46,030 --> 01:09:53,010
bit of background on the site. Again, 1.3 acres. It's primarily maintained its current configuration

756
01:09:53,010 --> 01:09:59,450
since the early 1960s. For decades, it's served as the Wells Fargo, a full-service banking facility

757
01:09:59,450 --> 01:10:04,710
with drive-through lanes. Wells Fargo vacated the site in 2020, and since that time, the

758
01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:10,830
property has been vacant. Some of the adjacent land uses are primarily consistent with the

759
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:18,090
C3 and C2 zoning districts to the north. We have Marina and Lodging, C3 and mixed-use overlay.

760
01:10:18,370 --> 01:10:23,670
To the east we have retail restaurant and office uses again under our C3 mixed-use overlay.

761
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:30,810
To the south we have C2 mixed-use overlay consisting of bank and office uses and

762
01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:36,350
then to the west we have C3 mixed-use overlay again with retail automotive service restaurant

763
01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:39,190
not commercial office, a variety of uses to the West.

764
01:10:41,810 --> 01:10:45,110
I wanna touch on some of the site plan review standards

765
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:47,450
that are used to evaluate these requests.

766
01:10:48,050 --> 01:10:49,790
First one being traffic and access.

767
01:10:50,910 --> 01:10:53,850
All access ways and vehicular pedestrian accesses

768
01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:56,310
are functioning an adequate number in design and location.

769
01:10:56,670 --> 01:10:59,430
They are not proposing any new transportation access

770
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:59,890
points.

771
01:11:00,750 --> 01:11:03,330
The subject property and parking areas can be accessed

772
01:11:03,330 --> 01:11:05,330
from both Gulf Drive and Marina Drive,

773
01:11:05,330 --> 01:11:07,730
by utilizing the existing ingress and egress points.

774
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:10,870
The applicant has supplied a traffic impact analysis

775
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:12,710
prepared by VIP Engineering Inc.

776
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:15,090
that looked at the existing and background traffic conditions

777
01:11:15,090 --> 01:11:17,150
as well as the total traffic conditions resulting

778
01:11:17,150 --> 01:11:18,350
from the proposed development.

779
01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:20,850
And the result is that they would not further degrade

780
01:11:20,850 --> 01:11:22,930
our level of service standards of D and E

781
01:11:22,930 --> 01:11:24,550
on the respectable roadways.

782
01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:27,650
There are no additional ingress, egress points

783
01:11:27,650 --> 01:11:29,810
that would require county or state involvement.

784
01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:32,110
Circulation and parking.

785
01:11:32,890 --> 01:11:34,530
As the site plan conveys,

786
01:11:34,530 --> 01:11:37,130
There's a total of 93 off-street parking spaces

787
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:40,490
that'll be available along with 488 compliant spaces

788
01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:42,510
and six golf cart spaces.

789
01:11:42,770 --> 01:11:44,390
The property of several businesses

790
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:46,670
sharing the available parking is an anticipated

791
01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:48,990
that families visiting the major golf

792
01:11:48,990 --> 01:11:50,810
are most likely to visit the retail store,

793
01:11:50,990 --> 01:11:52,450
ice cream shop and vice versa.

794
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:54,490
Based upon the owner's experience

795
01:11:54,490 --> 01:11:55,990
in operating a major golf course,

796
01:11:56,150 --> 01:11:57,690
one parking space per two holes

797
01:11:57,690 --> 01:11:59,430
is justified as visitors to the property

798
01:11:59,430 --> 01:12:01,090
are included in the parking calculations.

799
01:12:02,190 --> 01:12:03,630
Since the city commission workshop,

800
01:12:03,630 --> 01:12:11,110
The applicant has taken the opportunity to add an additional six golf cart parking spaces along the shared shopping driveway on the eastern side of the property.

801
01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:17,210
The site will maintain most of its original on-site vehicular circulation as it existed with the bank.

802
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:21,890
The site plan proposes additional racks that will accommodate 36 bicycles.

803
01:12:22,530 --> 01:12:30,150
There also exists a trolley stop directly adjacent to Marina Drive that will allow safe and convenient public transit and pedestrian access.

804
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:34,730
Based upon feedback from the City Engineer and City Commission, the applicant has provided

805
01:12:34,730 --> 01:12:39,810
a direct connection from the existing 5-foot sidewalk along Marina Drive to the newly proposed

806
01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:44,750
on-site crosswalk that will further enhance public safety for the transit users and

807
01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:46,810
the pedestrians accessing the site by foot.

808
01:12:48,510 --> 01:12:52,310
The site benefits from the new and existing sidewalks along the north side around the

809
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:56,150
boat basin, the south side of Gulf Drive and west side Marina Drive, which creates

810
01:12:56,150 --> 01:12:57,970
its safe and convenient accessibility options.

811
01:12:58,530 --> 01:13:00,390
The recent installation of lighted sidewalks

812
01:13:00,390 --> 01:13:02,270
will also provide accessibility and safety

813
01:13:02,270 --> 01:13:04,750
for those visiting the site on bicycle or foot.

814
01:13:05,710 --> 01:13:07,010
The applicant is also dedicated

815
01:13:07,010 --> 01:13:09,470
for the city engineer's request employee parking

816
01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:11,510
in the first three spaces at the driveway

817
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:13,710
located at the corner of Gulf and Reiner Drive.

818
01:13:14,210 --> 01:13:16,390
Creating employee only parking in this area

819
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:19,230
is intended to reduce the number of potential conflicts

820
01:13:19,230 --> 01:13:21,290
between vehicles backing out of those spaces

821
01:13:21,290 --> 01:13:23,730
and those vehicles entering from Gulf Drive.

822
01:13:23,730 --> 01:13:30,030
The applicant has agreed, again, to dedicate those to employee parking only.

823
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:36,970
Landscaping in open space, approximately 13,000 square feet of Florida-friendly, Florida yard-friendly

824
01:13:36,970 --> 01:13:38,450
landscaping is proposed.

825
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:46,010
The arrangement of the buildings, again, primarily, are similar configuration as they were in

826
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:50,010
the past, with the exception of a few additional outbuildings, which have been concentrated

827
01:13:50,010 --> 01:13:51,330
towards the center of the site,

828
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:53,250
some more architectural features,

829
01:13:53,670 --> 01:13:54,950
shade structures, et cetera.

830
01:13:58,230 --> 01:13:59,930
Moving on as part of the criteria,

831
01:14:02,230 --> 01:14:04,990
there is specific special exception review standards

832
01:14:04,990 --> 01:14:06,650
that are looked at when utilizing

833
01:14:06,650 --> 01:14:09,230
and reviewing these special exceptions requests.

834
01:14:09,630 --> 01:14:13,590
One obviously is consistent with the comprehensive plan.

835
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:16,130
The staff report identifies the goals and policies

836
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:18,930
of the comprehensive plan that this supports

837
01:14:18,930 --> 01:14:24,510
as well as its consistency with the commercial feature land use category and the C3 commercial

838
01:14:24,510 --> 01:14:25,410
zoning district.

839
01:14:27,650 --> 01:14:33,110
The applicant or the staff report goes in and addresses each of the criteria

840
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:39,390
utilized in evaluating special exceptions requests and finally the outdoor dining request is

841
01:14:39,390 --> 01:14:45,390
the third component to this application. Per the land development code, the city commission

842
01:14:45,390 --> 01:14:49,670
at a regular meeting may approve, approve with conditions or disapprove any requests for outdoor

843
01:14:49,670 --> 01:14:55,630
dining. The outdoor dining located in this request is on the second story of the existing building

844
01:14:55,630 --> 01:14:59,770
above the proposed retail shop. Based upon the analysis

845
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,700
Just as containing the staff report, staff has recommending approval of this request with

846
01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:11,760
the following conditions. Should approval be granted by the city commission. Again, staff

847
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,600
is recommending the following conditions. Outdoor seating for the restaurant shall be

848
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:22,660
limited to 125 seats, 26 outdoor and 99 indoor. Unamplified outdoor music shall be limited

849
01:15:22,660 --> 01:15:26,040
only in the outdoor dining area between the hours of noon and 10, Sunday through

850
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:31,880
Thursday and noon 11 Friday and Saturday they amplified outdoor music shall be

851
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,640
limited to only to the outdoor miniature golf course recreation area between

852
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,140
the hours of noon and 10 Sunday through Saturday and shall be subject to the

853
01:15:39,140 --> 01:15:42,980
limitations in our city's noise ordinance outdoor storage of any kind

854
01:15:42,980 --> 01:15:46,760
shall be prohibited on the present on the premises and then prior to

855
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,360
occupancy the applicant shall obtain a local business tax receipt noting the

856
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:54,080
number of indoor and outdoor seats and the applicant shall apply for a

857
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,540
building permit for the site improvements within 90 days

858
01:15:56,540 --> 01:15:58,820
of adoption of resolution 2413.

859
01:15:59,460 --> 01:16:01,500
With that, that includes staff's presentation

860
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:02,400
and analysis.

861
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,060
At this time, I believe the applicant is ready to present.

862
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:07,980
Maybe not.

863
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,540
Any questions for Chad?

864
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,040
Yeah, I have questions for staff.

865
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:18,320
And then if you can't answer them, then the applicant.

866
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,180
What you just stated was there was going to be

867
01:16:21,180 --> 01:16:24,000
no amplified music in the restaurant upstairs, correct?

868
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:24,580
That's correct.

869
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:29,400
What about if you're going to a restaurant everywhere you go even around here they still

870
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,720
have like music playing but not amplified, is that still going to be allowed?

871
01:16:32,820 --> 01:16:33,740
That's still allowed, yes.

872
01:16:33,940 --> 01:16:36,900
And that is allowed under our outdoor dining regulations as well.

873
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:43,820
And for staff, do you determine that this is compatible with the surrounding uses?

874
01:16:44,460 --> 01:16:44,820
Yes.

875
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:50,920
My analysis on the adjacent land uses earlier in the staff report lends itself to being

876
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:55,080
consistent with the mixed-use overlay that the adjacent land uses. This is our

877
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:59,940
downtown city center. This is consistent with that as well. And the zoning is C3

878
01:16:59,940 --> 01:17:05,520
with multi-use overlay. Is that that is the same as before when it was a bank and

879
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,380
that's the same as what it's going to be with whatever physicist this is,

880
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:13,580
correct? I can't say commissioner if the C3 existed in 1960 when that bank was

881
01:17:13,580 --> 01:17:15,660
No, didn't use it whatever you wanted.

882
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:18,900
But it has been C3 for quite some time.

883
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:26,340
Traffic, do you assume that this uses, well, right now

884
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:28,040
the traffic is zero to this property

885
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:29,520
because it's been closed for so many years.

886
01:17:30,180 --> 01:17:32,200
Do you, in your professional opinion,

887
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:37,500
do you think this uses more intense than any

888
01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:39,840
of the other shopping, the continuous properties

889
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,040
in the surrounding areas?

890
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:48,720
I don't know if I could confidently say if it's more intense or less intense, but the review criteria is

891
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:56,000
Level of service and voice our comp plan says as long as they maintain the level of service and don't degrade it

892
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,440
That's kind of the standard at which

893
01:17:59,260 --> 01:18:01,880
And in this commercial area, would you

894
01:18:02,940 --> 01:18:06,200
state also that there is outdoor dining

895
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,940
the entire Shopeean area on all the contiguous properties,

896
01:18:10,940 --> 01:18:11,980
besides this one.

897
01:18:13,020 --> 01:18:15,020
Waterline has outdoor dining and

898
01:18:15,020 --> 01:18:18,560
I would say many of the properties surrounding,

899
01:18:18,780 --> 01:18:19,480
I wouldn't say all,

900
01:18:19,580 --> 01:18:21,220
but many of them do have outdoor dining

901
01:18:22,540 --> 01:18:24,780
and the intensity of those is different as well.

902
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,980
And shared parking, do we still have that?

903
01:18:27,340 --> 01:18:29,140
And do we still do that?

904
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:30,540
Were you...

905
01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:32,880
We do have an allowance, we do,

906
01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:35,100
but they're not requesting any with this request.

907
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:41,100
Okay, and does the parking agreement need to be updated with Waterline, because I remember

908
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:46,960
Waterline signed an agreement with the bank at that time, are they going to have to work

909
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:47,180
that out?

910
01:18:47,180 --> 01:18:51,580
Waterline is responsible for their parking, and they've done a parking analysis based

911
01:18:51,580 --> 01:18:55,400
on what they have right now, and they're okay today based upon their users and their

912
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,380
marina, but if that changes, they're going to have to accommodate that.

913
01:18:59,940 --> 01:19:01,860
That's between them.

914
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:02,540
That's between them.

915
01:19:02,540 --> 01:19:03,260
That's their issue.

916
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:13,980
I had a chance to review and I had this discussion with Chad yesterday.

917
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:23,280
Looking back at my notes of all the comments that were made, some by residents, many by

918
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:31,140
staff or commission, I should say, I believe at least the checklist I kept have all been

919
01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:41,460
addressed in the new presentation. Such things as more safety concern, there were some additional

920
01:19:41,460 --> 01:19:50,260
safety concerns I think what the applicant has done is show on the landscaping plan holders

921
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:56,440
essentially not holders that we have required of other stronts in here.

922
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,980
I'm sorry, I apologize for interrupting Commissioner Schaefer, but do you have any questions

923
01:19:59,980 --> 01:20:05,920
questions of staff because the applicant hasn't presented his representation yet. So I just

924
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:10,620
wanted to make sure we're just limiting it to staff questions first before we get to the

925
01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:10,900
discussion.

926
01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaking to staff right now to the Chair. So my point was, in my review of all the

927
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:24,520
checklists of items that we questioned back in September, they have been addressed.

928
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:31,400
That's the one question I have of you, and again, we had it yesterday with somewhat of

929
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,120
a clarity definition.

930
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:44,850
I understand amplified music includes the term of speakers, so if a place of business

931
01:20:44,850 --> 01:20:47,830
has a speaker, that falls under amplified music.

932
01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:54,230
I think some of the confusion perhaps I had early on in these types of discussions

933
01:20:54,230 --> 01:20:57,910
is that there's a distinction between live music,

934
01:20:58,550 --> 01:21:02,870
which is amplified music, and type or appropriate music.

935
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:09,230
In this case, the abdomen withdrew the live music portion

936
01:21:09,230 --> 01:21:11,430
that was to have been on the second floor.

937
01:21:12,990 --> 01:21:16,770
Under this presentation and under your approval,

938
01:21:17,850 --> 01:21:20,290
amplified music is allowed,

939
01:21:20,290 --> 01:21:32,370
an amplified music does not include stage, live music, or any other form of entertainment and high music.

940
01:21:32,650 --> 01:21:37,950
And I think that was a big issue and a concern to many of us with regard to the noise.

941
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:43,750
The staff has approached this all as amplified music, all with an entire request.

942
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:50,670
They have minimized the impacts of the amplified music by taking the request away from the

943
01:21:50,670 --> 01:21:51,410
second story.

944
01:21:51,550 --> 01:21:57,230
The original request included outdoor application for their dining and then outdoor amplification

945
01:21:57,230 --> 01:22:00,310
for the outdoor recreation area, major golf course.

946
01:22:01,230 --> 01:22:06,390
They've since removed the request for the amplification, but the golf course music

947
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:07,510
is still requested.

948
01:22:08,230 --> 01:22:11,710
Looking at our definition of amplification, Chairman.

949
01:22:12,930 --> 01:22:18,630
I have a tough time saying they don't need a special reception request for that because

950
01:22:18,630 --> 01:22:23,630
it is technically amplified through landscape speakers even though they're not going to have

951
01:22:23,630 --> 01:22:28,130
a band set up, they will have landscape speakers piping in music from an amplified source.

952
01:22:28,650 --> 01:22:35,950
So again, I'm recommending reprocessing as a special exception and continue to do so

953
01:22:35,950 --> 01:22:41,110
but you'll see in the findings that staff is supporting that recommendation based

954
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:45,710
upon the changes that were made and I'm not contesting that at all it's just my

955
01:22:45,710 --> 01:22:53,150
question is should we reconsider a definition yes we should future reference

956
01:22:53,150 --> 01:22:58,690
I would because the example was given you know the flat screen TV up behind the

957
01:22:58,690 --> 01:23:02,190
bar that's got a speaker on it they need a special exception requesting that

958
01:23:03,130 --> 01:23:06,070
We need future. We need to we need to clarity on that.

959
01:23:06,210 --> 01:23:07,030
Thank you.

960
01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:19,460
Chad, on page 6 of your presentation, you have, it's the breakdown of the parking.

961
01:23:20,260 --> 01:23:20,680
Yes, ma'am.

962
01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:24,620
You have total required spaces, 93 total provided spaces.

963
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,320
Then you have total existing spaces, 69.

964
01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:32,660
That's...

965
01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:34,400
We've added additional parking.

966
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,920
So the existing the bank was using was 69.

967
01:23:38,860 --> 01:23:41,660
This generates a much higher parking demand.

968
01:23:42,420 --> 01:23:44,720
So is it going to have 93?

969
01:23:45,540 --> 01:23:46,300
Site plan is 93.

970
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:46,800
On site.

971
01:23:47,180 --> 01:23:49,440
With an additional six golf cart parking spaces.

972
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,060
The other question I have is the tour boats.

973
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,920
And I can wait for an explanation from the presentation.

974
01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:03,280
But I don't quite have a clear understanding

975
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,460
understanding of how that comes into play here.

976
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:15,500
The other question I have is when the terminology of,

977
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:20,820
say,

978
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,140
you're going to have more special events there,

979
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:37,520
like will they have wedding, can they lease it out to a

980
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,620
party and have that party?

981
01:24:39,620 --> 01:24:59,380
All businesses in the A1A, one C2 through C3 have the ability to request a temporary use permit for special events such as the Irish Bar does their obviously St. Patrick's Day special event where they have outdoor things so it is allowed through a temporary use permit process.

982
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:06,860
Anything else?

983
01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:20,360
Mr. Smith I don't I don't know you

984
01:25:23,790 --> 01:25:29,930
have a hard copy yeah okay and Mr. Smith you

985
01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:33,730
can certainly into enter the PowerPoint as part of the record it's just if the

986
01:25:33,730 --> 01:25:36,430
Commission can't see today it's not going to be considered as part of their

987
01:25:36,430 --> 01:25:41,850
decision but if it's just photographic evidence of what's already in here right

988
01:25:41,850 --> 01:25:45,530
then it'll be, it should be all included for you just for you.

989
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:50,810
Mr. Chick, I had a problem because I'm using my computer for the agenda,

990
01:25:51,650 --> 01:25:53,710
and I looked at the book over the weekend,

991
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:57,870
but assuming that all that was in my online agenda,

992
01:25:58,150 --> 01:26:00,970
but it's not, so just explain what you're making changes,

993
01:26:01,130 --> 01:26:01,990
because I did read it.

994
01:26:03,010 --> 01:26:03,650
It's okay.

995
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:05,550
I mean, I could actually give you the PowerPoint,

996
01:26:06,570 --> 01:26:08,430
or Art could give you the hard drawings.

997
01:26:10,450 --> 01:26:13,270
She has the same as well. I don't want you to be at a disadvantage.

998
01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:16,010
No, go ahead. Because I did read it all a couple of times this week.

999
01:26:16,230 --> 01:26:18,350
Okay. I think you had the same thing read it.

1000
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:21,390
I have it online. Yeah.

1001
01:26:22,670 --> 01:26:26,050
I'll pull it up and just verify, Carol, that the online version is the same.

1002
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:33,730
I guess we'll start the talk.

1003
01:26:35,070 --> 01:26:36,150
Go ahead and introduce yourself.

1004
01:26:36,650 --> 01:26:41,550
All right. Thank you for having me again.

1005
01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:43,070
but I guess we're not talking about that.

1006
01:26:45,250 --> 01:26:46,090
But, uh...

1007
01:26:53,230 --> 01:26:56,030
Okay, we have to go quick break the audio as well.

1008
01:26:57,170 --> 01:26:58,330
Take a quick break here.

1009
01:26:58,370 --> 01:27:00,890
As far as I...

1010
01:27:00,890 --> 01:27:04,130
Stacey, are there hard copies of the packet available to the public,

1011
01:27:04,210 --> 01:27:05,550
or would that have been by request,

1012
01:27:05,730 --> 01:27:06,410
prior to the meeting?

1013
01:27:12,230 --> 01:27:12,910
Just a gentleman.

1014
01:27:16,210 --> 01:27:16,630
Yeah.

1015
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:18,730
Sorry about the technical difficulties.

1016
01:27:19,250 --> 01:27:20,370
We didn't plan on this.

1017
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:23,680
Yeah, I'm sure you would.

1018
01:27:34,700 --> 01:27:35,360
That's a point.

1019
01:27:36,700 --> 01:27:39,780
Are we going to adjourn because I think that's probably smart.

1020
01:27:40,260 --> 01:27:41,700
Yeah, let's just take a quick recess.

1021
01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:43,000
Thank you.

1022
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:46,940
Can we just do it for ten minutes, five minutes?

1023
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:47,700
Yeah, ten minutes.

1024
01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:48,340
Ten minutes.

1025
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,080
And we can get everything up in operation.

1026
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:52,960
We are on break for ten minutes.

1027
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,460
We know what the snapper is with the bargain.

1028
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:58,400
Is it us or the bargain?

1029
01:27:58,480 --> 01:27:59,320
It's probably our.

1030
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:00,720
This?

1031
01:28:02,980 --> 01:28:07,920
Just to verify whatever is online on the city's website is exactly what's in the packet.

1032
01:28:11,890 --> 01:28:18,590
For the benefit of anyone here who has a phone on them or any type of tablet, whatever is

1033
01:28:18,590 --> 01:28:23,450
in the packet is a hard copy is online that you can view it online at the city's website.

1034
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,000
We have any idea what's going on?

1035
01:28:49,820 --> 01:28:50,300
You

1036
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,560
just restart the strategy.

1037
01:29:01,260 --> 01:29:02,080
How's Gail doing?

1038
01:29:04,420 --> 01:29:05,460
He goes away fine.

1039
01:29:05,620 --> 01:29:07,260
We just have to have minutes for the meeting.

1040
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:07,560
Roger.

1041
01:29:10,140 --> 01:29:11,040
No, but please.

1042
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:36,360
There.

1043
01:29:46,230 --> 01:29:48,110
You're 45 seconds behind though.

1044
01:29:51,410 --> 01:29:52,450
Testing, testing.

1045
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:53,710
Make sure you get that.

1046
01:29:55,860 --> 01:29:56,860
Are we still rebooting?

1047
01:29:56,860 --> 01:29:56,920
Thank you.

1048
01:45:00,270 --> 01:45:07,250
Okay, we'll reconvene now. Mr. Smith, I think everybody has a copy or has access to one now. Thank you.

1049
01:45:16,860 --> 01:45:26,520
All right then. I'm going to do a brief overview of the project. You're familiar with where the site is.

1050
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,100
The cover sheet shows a scenario.

1051
01:45:31,480 --> 01:45:37,680
Looking down on the existing bank building is essentially left.

1052
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:43,360
And then on the left, and then we're adding a two-story building that's going to be a

1053
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,420
fudge shop on the ground floor and a candy store on the second floor.

1054
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:54,020
And then there's a little outbuilding just to the right of that, and that's going to

1055
01:45:54,020 --> 01:45:54,720
be a storage.

1056
01:45:55,620 --> 01:45:58,000
Part of it's going to be storage, and part of it's going to be an arcade.

1057
01:45:59,220 --> 01:46:03,300
And then the other roof structures you see around the miniature golf course are

1058
01:46:03,300 --> 01:46:10,000
shade structures just basically to get out of the sun while you're playing golf.

1059
01:46:11,300 --> 01:46:13,720
And so then we go to the site plan.

1060
01:46:16,140 --> 01:46:20,740
Again the larger rectangle on the upper left

1061
01:46:20,740 --> 01:46:25,500
hand part of the screen is the existing bank building that will be converted

1062
01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:34,160
it into retail space for the island bazaar and the smaller building just down

1063
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:39,220
from it is that fudge shop that I mentioned and then a little building

1064
01:46:39,220 --> 01:46:46,160
farther south is the storage in the arcade. The fudge shop is where the

1065
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:56,020
drive-through was previously and the golf course itself occupies the paving

1066
01:46:56,020 --> 01:47:03,940
area going up to the the original drive-through and also the area when you

1067
01:47:03,940 --> 01:47:09,220
left the drive-through that paving area has become part of the miniature golf

1068
01:47:09,220 --> 01:47:21,160
course. So we're reducing the pervious surface on the property by having grass, turf landscaping,

1069
01:47:21,740 --> 01:47:32,120
the paving for the pathways between the holes is going to be a pervious surface, and there'll

1070
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:36,860
be a artificial turf will be the greens themselves.

1071
01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:49,400
Just to follow up on one of the engineer's comments, in the upper part of the drawing

1072
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:57,940
along Marina Drive to the right is the trolley station, and then as you go down the sidewalk

1073
01:47:58,500 --> 01:48:03,900
there's going to be a break in the landscaping and bringing the sidewalk to the crosswalk

1074
01:48:03,900 --> 01:48:10,960
area that will lead to the basically the front walkway area so that folks

1075
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:18,080
coming from the trawling can come in that way. And then as mentioned on the

1076
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:23,620
bottom of the parking area there and the driveway between the shopping

1077
01:48:23,620 --> 01:48:29,480
centers we've got six golf cart parking spaces there.

1078
01:48:32,210 --> 01:48:32,890
And if we go to

1079
01:48:32,890 --> 01:48:35,630
of the next one is the property survey

1080
01:48:35,630 --> 01:48:37,110
that's just for reference.

1081
01:48:38,050 --> 01:48:44,150
So you can see the way the site is configured now

1082
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:51,110
and then the next sheet is a bit confusing.

1083
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:52,690
I was trying to be creative.

1084
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:55,150
I'm not sure I was and I was trying to show

1085
01:48:55,150 --> 01:48:58,830
what we were doing as an overlay on what's there.

1086
01:48:59,650 --> 01:49:02,110
But it does, if you can make it,

1087
01:49:02,110 --> 01:49:09,410
Just to show, you can see the outline of the miniature golf course in the driveways.

1088
01:49:09,610 --> 01:49:14,030
We have reconfigured the parking to get additional parking on site.

1089
01:49:16,770 --> 01:49:19,270
On sheet four is the landscape plan.

1090
01:49:22,630 --> 01:49:26,250
We have a six-foot-high fence that goes around the perimeter of the golf course.

1091
01:49:26,250 --> 01:49:37,530
As was mentioned, we did add landscape boulders along the Gulf Drive frontage for an additional

1092
01:49:37,950 --> 01:49:43,850
safety measure if cars were to jump the sidewalk and go through the landscaping.

1093
01:49:45,050 --> 01:49:49,710
It is a Florida friendly landscaping.

1094
01:49:51,590 --> 01:49:53,170
We're going to be adding trees.

1095
01:49:53,170 --> 01:49:58,170
trees. We've got some great trees that are integrated into it. We've got a nice large

1096
01:49:58,170 --> 01:50:03,250
oak tree that's currently there that's going to be on golf drive, that's going to be part

1097
01:50:03,970 --> 01:50:10,270
of the course. Then, of course, we've got another oak tree that we're building the

1098
01:50:10,270 --> 01:50:11,190
golf course around.

1099
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:22,760
The next sheet sheet five is the floor plan showing the island

1100
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:28,260
bizarre retail area, your ice cream shop, and the storage in the arcade,

1101
01:50:30,340 --> 01:50:30,760
and it's

1102
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,060
got the score footage calculations there.

1103
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:40,360
H6 has got the second floor and a

1104
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:45,240
rendering looking at the building from the from the parking lot, basically on

1105
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:46,420
the north side looking south.

1106
01:50:48,500 --> 01:50:55,660
There is no outside amplified, no stage, like

1107
01:50:55,660 --> 01:51:00,920
Like I said, there's no amplified music on the second floor deck.

1108
01:51:01,460 --> 01:51:07,900
The only amplified music we're talking about are those rock speakers as you're wandering

1109
01:51:07,900 --> 01:51:10,140
around the golf course to help with the ambience.

1110
01:51:12,380 --> 01:51:23,300
Sheet 7 is the west elevation and also the north elevation, the north elevation being

1111
01:51:23,300 --> 01:51:31,200
the main elevation from the parking lot showing the stairs going up to the restaurant. And

1112
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:39,140
the proposed signage that we don't have the name of the actual tenant so that signage

1113
01:51:39,140 --> 01:51:45,440
will change but it will be within the square footage required or allowed by Homes Beach.

1114
01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:52,340
and eight is the other elevations, south elevation which is the golf drive

1115
01:51:52,340 --> 01:51:59,780
elevation and east elevation also showing the stair, the second stair

1116
01:51:59,780 --> 01:52:08,160
leading from the second floor down to the ground. These are nine elevations

1117
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:09,320
of the sage structures.

1118
01:52:11,620 --> 01:52:17,260
Also building elevation of the arcade storage building. The water

1119
01:52:17,260 --> 01:52:26,640
tower is not really a water tower. It's an amenity that's in the golf course. Again,

1120
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:32,960
if you were to go to the fish hole in Braden Beach, you would see similar structures

1121
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:38,160
that Jake has around his golf course into the atmosphere.

1122
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:43,740
The monument sign, which is going to be a long golf drive,

1123
01:52:44,580 --> 01:52:47,060
meets the standards that you have.

1124
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:49,280
And the dumpster enclosure is just

1125
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:53,460
to reinforce the fact that the dumpster won't be exposed.

1126
01:52:54,180 --> 01:52:55,040
And that happens.

1127
01:52:55,420 --> 01:52:59,460
It's located on the site plan on the east side

1128
01:52:59,460 --> 01:53:01,940
of the property off the driveway

1129
01:53:01,940 --> 01:53:04,960
goes in between the two commercial centers.

1130
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:13,160
Page 10 is the South Sight elevation,

1131
01:53:15,860 --> 01:53:15,860
which

1132
01:53:15,860 --> 01:53:23,800
is essentially a long marina, it's our golf drive, and the east elevation is actually

1133
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:31,860
on the side of the other shopping centers. It gives you an idea of the heights, where

1134
01:53:31,860 --> 01:53:34,880
were below the heights allowed.

1135
01:53:37,670 --> 01:53:41,750
These aren't very tall buildings. The 11 is

1136
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:49,990
another aerial shot looking down at the north, looking at the parking lot and

1137
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:58,810
the golf course and 12 north entry. Again where the arcade building is looking

1138
01:53:58,810 --> 01:54:08,670
across the golf course to the front door and then also at the front entry from Marina Drive.

1139
01:54:10,670 --> 01:54:18,850
And more building elevations on page 13 of the monumental sign and that's at the corner

1140
01:54:18,850 --> 01:54:26,050
Marina and Golf Drive is the top rendering and the other ones from Golf Drive.

1141
01:54:27,490 --> 01:54:30,510
And this civil drawing,

1142
01:54:34,630 --> 01:54:40,030
anyways, it's got some technical things on there as far as paving

1143
01:54:40,030 --> 01:54:40,970
and direction.

1144
01:54:42,890 --> 01:54:52,230
Next sheet is a rendering of the folks that designed the golf course showing, you know,

1145
01:54:52,270 --> 01:54:55,210
what they're picturing and what I've shown on mine.

1146
01:54:56,550 --> 01:55:06,170
16 is revised from earlier, again, getting rid of the amplified music so there's no speakers

1147
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:15,630
shown on the second floor, restaurant area, and the on the landscape lighting, electrical

1148
01:55:15,630 --> 01:55:25,390
symbols, the only amplified noise is the landscape speakers that I've shown dotted around the

1149
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:39,390
golf course. And then we've got a lighting plan and the photometrics after that, showing

1150
01:55:39,390 --> 01:55:47,250
that, we're reducing the light levels leaving the property within the Florida Building Code

1151
01:55:47,250 --> 01:56:00,070
and standards. And that's it. I did just want to emphasize that there is no amplified music

1152
01:56:00,070 --> 01:56:08,070
on the second floor and the landscaping is consistent with the floor yards.

1153
01:56:11,130 --> 01:56:17,830
We did attach the traffic study and I have the traffic engineer Nathan Poole if you have

1154
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:19,990
any questions for him here with us today.

1155
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:25,630
Public safety along Gulf Drive was addressed with the addition of those landscape holders

1156
01:56:26,180 --> 01:56:28,310
and we do have a six-foot-high fence around there.

1157
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:34,490
Again, that was more or less to keep folks from enjoying the golf course after hours,

1158
01:56:36,350 --> 01:56:41,090
as well as keeping folks from jumping in and jumping out of the course.

1159
01:56:42,730 --> 01:56:52,010
We added the six golf parking spaces that you all had suggested, and I wanted to emphasize

1160
01:56:52,010 --> 01:56:57,450
is, of course, lighting will have a mix of those two-watt LED lights, festoon

1161
01:56:57,450 --> 01:57:03,910
lights. Again, like Jake has, this is his place now. So I'd be more than happy to

1162
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:05,610
answer any questions that you might have.

1163
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:12,600
Your page number 11, I keep seeing this.

1164
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:17,760
Is this your property boundary? Right. Okay. Do you own two of the boat slips in the

1165
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:23,060
marina? Yes, ma'am. Oh, you do? Yeah. Okay, so is that interlocal between you and

1166
01:57:27,700 --> 01:57:32,780
I don't know ma'am all I know is what Jake owns and so you own that but those

1167
01:57:32,780 --> 01:57:39,720
people rent boats so you'll be getting that income whatever right right I thought

1168
01:57:40,300 --> 01:57:47,340
waterline had owned the whole thing so that's great not just no they actually

1169
01:57:47,340 --> 01:57:52,980
own the seawall on that end as well they own out into the submerged land

1170
01:57:52,980 --> 01:58:00,100
And so the rental boats would be their own rental boats. It looked like during the site plane application, but I'm not certain

1171
01:58:05,620 --> 01:58:12,300
Yeah, whoever's there are you and you okay, thank you that that's I never knew I always thought water lined or here in our zone

1172
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:15,640
Also stick

1173
01:58:20,380 --> 01:58:25,940
Traffic is a big problem with me. I mean, it's with everybody and the parking and the whole bit.

1174
01:58:26,380 --> 01:58:33,500
The access road, they have one that comes out on Marina Drive, which will be behind this.

1175
01:58:33,940 --> 01:58:38,520
And they have the other road that comes off of Gold Drive and you go in it.

1176
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:46,720
Could we make that one way? Could we make a right turn only on that? I mean is that

1177
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:50,160
private that we can't dictate that or can we dictate it?

1178
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:55,260
It's going to be a right

1179
01:58:55,260 --> 01:59:00,080
in only for the Ingress and Ingress point, also to the Marina Drive

1180
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:03,760
intersection, that will be right. Will you come up Gulf Drive into that?

1181
01:59:06,900 --> 01:59:15,940
But the first drive you would come to, Commissioner, is two-way, is ingress and egress in and out.

1182
01:59:17,140 --> 01:59:21,020
Because it's a wider, it's wider and there's not parking spaces accessing it.

1183
01:59:21,140 --> 01:59:21,340
Yeah.

1184
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:27,660
I mean, if you sit at the bank and watch the traffic, that's people trying to pull

1185
01:59:27,660 --> 01:59:37,980
out of that to cross the two lanes, to give Elm to Ghost Drive going south. That is disaster.

1186
01:59:38,940 --> 01:59:45,020
And so I was thinking, why don't we make that just one? You only turn right when you're

1187
01:59:45,020 --> 01:59:50,860
coming out of that plaza, Elm to Ghost Drive. If you want to go south, you just go up

1188
01:59:50,860 --> 01:59:56,100
and do a Huey or take one of the back roads. That would eliminate that hazard there

1189
01:59:56,100 --> 01:59:59,320
of people exiting that Plaza area.

1190
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,720
Now, you have the both ways on the back road, the road behind the Bazaar Exit and Water Line,

1191
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:17,140
you know, that primarily, that in and out, although a little crazy, is a little better.

1192
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:20,520
So, you know, right and left is okay.

1193
02:00:20,820 --> 02:00:25,660
It's that one that comes off an on-gulf drive that has me very confronted.

1194
02:00:26,220 --> 02:00:30,100
If we could just change the traffic pattern.

1195
02:00:34,380 --> 02:00:35,660
Do you have any recommendations, Chad?

1196
02:00:36,700 --> 02:00:41,000
With this request, I mean, the applicant, I don't believe it's been discussed,

1197
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:44,500
it also impacts the adjacent property owner as well since his access.

1198
02:00:45,020 --> 02:00:51,280
So that's probably a conversation that involves more property owners than this one.

1199
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:56,780
Yeah, but something to consider trying to eliminate a housing that exists.

1200
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:17,380
Yeah, there's many other businesses besides this. So it's always been a safety issue as long as we've all lived here. You just have to be careful. But really, this should come from the applicant on your traffic study. Did you find any safety issues with this?

1201
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:19,900
Nathan, the engineer.

1202
02:01:19,900 --> 02:01:21,420
I haven't heard us pay today.

1203
02:01:53,060 --> 02:01:53,900
You're going to be okay?

1204
02:01:54,740 --> 02:01:55,540
You're going to be okay?

1205
02:01:55,900 --> 02:01:55,920
Yes.

1206
02:01:56,540 --> 02:01:58,740
It's a Nathan Poole traffic engineer.

1207
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:00,500
I prepared the traffic study for the development.

1208
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:04,900
The access, if I'm understanding correctly,

1209
02:02:05,020 --> 02:02:07,220
that you're referring to is our eastern side.

1210
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:10,720
We have not identified any safety issues at that location.

1211
02:02:11,340 --> 02:02:14,040
The amount of trips being generated by this development

1212
02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:15,940
is very low, considered.

1213
02:02:17,140 --> 02:02:24,240
So, any additional trips, traffic being generated by this development is not anticipated to exacerbate

1214
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:28,480
or change any of the existing conditions better actually, may or may not be out there.

1215
02:02:31,610 --> 02:02:33,230
Does that help answer your question?

1216
02:02:33,830 --> 02:02:34,250
No.

1217
02:02:35,650 --> 02:02:45,450
To be honest with you, the traffic is such a sporadic thing and it only takes one car

1218
02:02:45,450 --> 02:02:52,850
to pull out at the wrong time and we've had talk to the people at Hancock Bank

1219
02:02:52,850 --> 02:02:57,390
they'll tell you some herring tales about things that they see during the day I

1220
02:02:58,030 --> 02:03:02,970
understand you're seeing it's like a low-impact thing but it it is not

1221
02:03:02,970 --> 02:03:07,610
necessary for people to come out of that area and and have to go both right

1222
02:03:07,610 --> 02:03:15,250
and left they can go one direction a hazard to many people so that's way

1223
02:03:15,250 --> 02:03:23,010
I'm looking at it. It's not, yeah, it's only going to happen once a time. No, that's just

1224
02:03:23,010 --> 02:03:32,850
it's just a suggestion to try to eliminate a hazard that exists and has existed for a long time.

1225
02:03:33,070 --> 02:03:40,730
But you're now increasing some traffic patterns into that parking lot that haven't been there

1226
02:03:40,730 --> 02:03:47,610
for many years. So I'm just trying to find a way that can maybe improve it.

1227
02:03:48,190 --> 02:03:53,230
Oh, understood. So based on our projected distribution with the traffic, I've got the

1228
02:03:53,230 --> 02:03:57,890
numbers shown here. Thirteen cars in the AM and thirteen in the PM are making that southbound

1229
02:03:57,890 --> 02:04:03,990
left to go south down, uh, south down Gulf Drive. So that's a car of maybe once every

1230
02:04:03,990 --> 02:04:07,850
four minutes, if not even that. So it's very few cars that's being added. That's

1231
02:04:07,850 --> 02:04:12,490
That's during the peak hours, that's during the highest two hours of the day, once in

1232
02:04:12,490 --> 02:04:13,330
the morning you want to meet.

1233
02:04:13,770 --> 02:04:22,210
And as a developer, we have an existing problem and from what I've always learned, you can't

1234
02:04:22,210 --> 02:04:26,670
cite the person that's coming before us for a problem that already exists.

1235
02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:31,810
No, I'm not, I'm talking about looking at a solution to a problem before we get there.

1236
02:04:32,590 --> 02:04:34,470
And this is the time to look at it.

1237
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:35,170
Understood.

1238
02:04:35,950 --> 02:04:40,710
So the other thing to consider, too, is if you were to eliminate that left valve, as you're saying,

1239
02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:44,790
there's other paths that are going to have to be, they would travel up to Marina Drive,

1240
02:04:44,950 --> 02:04:47,910
make the left and go south down to Marina Drive to then go south down there.

1241
02:04:48,570 --> 02:04:54,670
So if there's other concerns there, then you may be making that problem that you may or may not come about.

1242
02:04:55,250 --> 02:04:59,830
My professional opinion, I don't believe it will, could certainly get pushed to another location.

1243
02:05:01,230 --> 02:05:02,230
Well, thank you for that.

1244
02:05:03,330 --> 02:05:09,290
Just on that, if I might comment, I understand Carol's concern because we've all used that

1245
02:05:09,290 --> 02:05:17,830
for ingress and egress, but that could be circumvented by the same situation you could

1246
02:05:17,830 --> 02:05:24,270
say exists at Sunrise Drive, whereby if you're heading southbound out of Sunrise

1247
02:05:24,270 --> 02:05:30,790
Drive you have the same concern, and I don't know that we can make one ways out of

1248
02:05:30,790 --> 02:05:38,390
too many of our intersections and I'd like to think perhaps the new signaling that's in

1249
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:45,930
place now that did not exist when the bank was in operation might help so that when it's

1250
02:05:45,930 --> 02:05:52,010
read there is a gap, there is a stop at any rate and hopefully there's enough kind citizens

1251
02:05:52,010 --> 02:05:59,970
to safely allow us to egress out of that location if that's where we are at the time.

1252
02:06:00,210 --> 02:06:03,590
But if there's a solution, I think we'd all be interested.

1253
02:06:03,870 --> 02:06:11,010
But my concern is we could highlight a lot of intersections in our community where that same condition exists.

1254
02:06:12,690 --> 02:06:13,250
No

1255
02:06:15,460 --> 02:06:17,360
question, Mr. Smith.

1256
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:22,840
What is the fence material?

1257
02:06:26,460 --> 02:06:31,380
Well, similar to what Jake has now, it's a netting.

1258
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:39,820
Again, tougher to climb, but it would stop the

1259
02:06:39,820 --> 02:06:47,620
balls from exiting. Vinyl? Is it a vinyl? Well, I think what he has now is actually more of a rope

1260
02:06:47,620 --> 02:06:48,780
material kind of a.

1261
02:06:51,340 --> 02:06:56,920
Well I think I showed it two inches by two inches so yeah

1262
02:06:56,920 --> 02:07:01,720
maybe high heels on you can get the toes in there but I don't know how many women

1263
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:02,880
climb fences but.

1264
02:07:08,260 --> 02:07:11,660
But you can see through you can see. Oh yeah the point is

1265
02:07:11,660 --> 02:07:16,180
you can you know it's not a barrier visual barrier but it does stop the balls

1266
02:07:16,820 --> 02:07:19,720
I mean, you know, that's why they have putters and out wedges.

1267
02:07:20,500 --> 02:07:22,980
So this is the thought, too, that it would stop them.

1268
02:07:23,700 --> 02:07:26,020
And it's four feet, not four or six?

1269
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:28,180
Six feet. Yeah, it was combined by jump.

1270
02:07:29,540 --> 02:07:30,940
So it's six feet on it.

1271
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:34,840
And the shade

1272
02:07:37,340 --> 02:07:39,740
structures, are they all going to be hurricane strapped down there?

1273
02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:41,120
Oh, yeah, they'll be all built.

1274
02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:44,980
I'm sorry, metal roofs, right?

1275
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:48,050
Any other questions?

1276
02:07:48,810 --> 02:07:49,570
No, just a comment.

1277
02:07:50,370 --> 02:07:53,350
of all the site plans we have seen over the years.

1278
02:07:53,770 --> 02:07:58,290
This is a very well organized and presented site plan.

1279
02:07:58,530 --> 02:08:02,350
I appreciate you and the owner taking to heart

1280
02:08:02,350 --> 02:08:04,630
our comments, the public's comments in the past

1281
02:08:04,630 --> 02:08:07,750
in our own, revising it to suit

1282
02:08:07,750 --> 02:08:11,930
and essentially comply with those earlier concerns.

1283
02:08:12,330 --> 02:08:16,530
So I think you've done what we had hoped

1284
02:08:16,530 --> 02:08:20,790
and had asked for in our September workshop.

1285
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:23,950
That's all I have, Dan.

1286
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:30,500
For clarification, the applicant does have eight minutes

1287
02:08:30,500 --> 02:08:31,520
left in rebuttal time.

1288
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:34,120
Should you wish to utilize that after public comment?

1289
02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:34,720
OK.

1290
02:08:35,940 --> 02:08:36,160
OK.

1291
02:08:37,780 --> 02:08:38,160
Thank you.

1292
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:42,080
All right, now I'll ask for a public comment.

1293
02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:43,180
Everybody has comment?

1294
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:45,520
Upstate your name, your address.

1295
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:47,060
Sign in, please.

1296
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:55,180
And I will be doing the timing, so I will put a finger up when you have one minute remaining.

1297
02:09:07,590 --> 02:09:12,850
Good afternoon, Merry Christmas. My name is John Dawkins, a resident of Holmes Beach here in 52nd Street.

1298
02:09:13,670 --> 02:09:19,850
Chad, I have a question for you. In your review, you mentioned the zoning to the north, to the south, and to the west.

1299
02:09:20,290 --> 02:09:21,730
You know what the zoning is to the east?

1300
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:28,440
Staff report also references to the east, and that's C3.

1301
02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:35,720
The adjacent property is zone 3C. That's what I did my analysis on.

1302
02:09:36,020 --> 02:09:37,520
Very good. You also mentioned...

1303
02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:42,960
I just wanted to... I do apologize. This is public comment, not public question and answer,

1304
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:46,860
so you may ask questions they may be addressed later on during discussion,

1305
02:09:47,460 --> 02:09:51,780
but just to also first ask benefit, there's just comment on that.

1306
02:09:52,080 --> 02:09:56,940
My primary concern today was the noise of these speakers being amplified.

1307
02:09:56,940 --> 02:10:04,680
And I think I heard that even with the exception being granted for the amplification will still

1308
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:11,080
be under the Chapter 30, Section 3 of the city regulations, right, for noise levels?

1309
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:14,980
I think it's kind of late, but we'll list it out later.

1310
02:10:15,140 --> 02:10:15,620
Okay.

1311
02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:16,460
All right, any questions?

1312
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:21,580
And then during the presentation, a new concern came up with the fence, the 6-foot fence.

1313
02:10:22,260 --> 02:10:23,920
It depends what material they use.

1314
02:10:24,140 --> 02:10:26,300
Is that controlled by the city permit process today?

1315
02:10:26,300 --> 02:10:28,860
Let me say one thing today and then change it later.

1316
02:10:29,980 --> 02:10:31,300
It's all included.

1317
02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:35,320
Answers and things like that are all included in the site plan and the building.

1318
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:39,400
Because in the illustrations I didn't see any fence in the illustrations.

1319
02:10:40,380 --> 02:10:40,960
It's here.

1320
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:42,260
It is shown.

1321
02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:43,600
Yeah.

1322
02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:53,880
All right.

1323
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:54,240
Very good.

1324
02:10:54,360 --> 02:10:58,820
I look forward to hearing the answer on the noise regulations.

1325
02:10:59,220 --> 02:10:59,480
Thank you.

1326
02:10:59,580 --> 02:11:00,040
Appreciate it.

1327
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:00,700
Thank you.

1328
02:11:01,480 --> 02:11:01,900
Next up.

1329
02:11:01,900 --> 02:11:02,660
And

1330
02:11:08,930 --> 02:11:11,510
everybody wishing to speak, you have been sworn in, is that correct?

1331
02:11:15,960 --> 02:11:22,700
Mayor and Commission, my name is Dan Howe, I live on Sunrise Lane, so that's an interest in this project.

1332
02:11:23,480 --> 02:11:26,260
It's a very good job on your presentation.

1333
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:29,440
This is a very intense course.

1334
02:11:30,020 --> 02:11:36,060
We're talking 125 restaurant seats, but of course, which I've seen before,

1335
02:11:36,060 --> 02:11:37,940
that there are people waiting in line to get in.

1336
02:11:38,620 --> 02:11:42,020
Boats, ice creams, fudge, it's a lot.

1337
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:47,660
It's zoned, I guess if it fits, it's up to the code,

1338
02:11:48,020 --> 02:11:52,500
but to me, I'd like to see the traffic study.

1339
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:56,880
It's really tough for me to see 13 peak hours

1340
02:11:56,880 --> 02:12:00,860
in the event that I'm a developer.

1341
02:12:01,180 --> 02:12:02,520
I do traffic studies all the time.

1342
02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:07,400
So, you know, 93 spaces.

1343
02:12:07,400 --> 02:12:14,640
The other question is, from everybody's memory back with WaterLine, sorry, off of Titanite and WaterLine.

1344
02:12:15,340 --> 02:12:21,640
I recall there was a lease with 30 sunspaces with the bank.

1345
02:12:22,580 --> 02:12:25,120
Those just magically disappeared from the media.

1346
02:12:27,870 --> 02:12:30,290
Did that lease follow the current user?

1347
02:12:31,210 --> 02:12:33,690
We're minus 30 sunspaces in my book.

1348
02:12:34,670 --> 02:12:38,730
You can't use them one year and then borrow them the next year.

1349
02:12:38,730 --> 02:12:45,970
So is that, I know I can't ask the applicant, is that least to the city's knowledge still in place?

1350
02:12:46,850 --> 02:12:48,390
Chad addressed part of that.

1351
02:12:48,430 --> 02:12:52,750
I heard him say that the water line said that they now are accommodated of the parking.

1352
02:12:52,930 --> 02:12:57,430
But that wasn't the approval of the water line permit excellent years ago.

1353
02:12:58,030 --> 02:13:02,610
That approval was dependent on those parking spaces.

1354
02:13:03,150 --> 02:13:04,710
You can't just know that they're wet.

1355
02:13:05,870 --> 02:13:12,970
I actually litigated against the water, and, you know, the water line's been fine, but

1356
02:13:12,970 --> 02:13:17,390
we also, part of the settlement with them was their music, but can't even have speakers

1357
02:13:17,390 --> 02:13:19,110
had to build an okay wall.

1358
02:13:20,570 --> 02:13:25,870
So I know we're all anxious in this corner to look at it, and I'm included, but these

1359
02:13:25,870 --> 02:13:32,110
are true issue problems that us as residents are going to have to deal with.

1360
02:13:32,110 --> 02:13:33,450
Once it's in, it's too late.

1361
02:13:36,990 --> 02:13:37,570
We all know.

1362
02:13:38,090 --> 02:13:39,110
So parking is huge.

1363
02:13:39,350 --> 02:13:41,970
So that parking spills over onto Sunrise Lane.

1364
02:13:42,150 --> 02:13:42,710
That's not fair.

1365
02:13:42,930 --> 02:13:43,830
That's a private road.

1366
02:13:44,390 --> 02:13:47,310
If the parking spills over to the Chamber of Commerce,

1367
02:13:47,610 --> 02:13:49,230
that's not fair to him.

1368
02:13:49,670 --> 02:13:50,250
And it will.

1369
02:13:50,730 --> 02:13:52,730
And you're going to have towing and towing force.

1370
02:13:54,730 --> 02:13:57,590
So I think it's appropriate to have

1371
02:13:57,590 --> 02:13:59,730
an answer for those water line spaces.

1372
02:14:01,590 --> 02:14:02,770
Also, another question.

1373
02:14:02,770 --> 02:14:08,790
What does, can somebody tell me, or I just have to look it up, what is the RTO for restaurants?

1374
02:14:09,070 --> 02:14:13,190
I know many jurisdictions, it's, you know, a thousand, it's per seat.

1375
02:14:14,190 --> 02:14:17,130
We have 125 restaurant seats.

1376
02:14:19,330 --> 02:14:22,170
That's a lot of, that's a lot of costs.

1377
02:14:22,690 --> 02:14:23,690
Three to one, a busy Saturday.

1378
02:14:24,090 --> 02:14:24,510
Three to one.

1379
02:14:24,810 --> 02:14:28,910
Is it three, three to six per space?

1380
02:14:29,170 --> 02:14:29,810
Through the map.

1381
02:14:29,810 --> 02:14:37,270
Now, all of a sudden, the developer says that, what was it, two spaces per hole is enough?

1382
02:14:38,030 --> 02:14:39,470
Or is that what you've said, Charlie?

1383
02:14:42,700 --> 02:14:43,360
Well, okay.

1384
02:14:44,140 --> 02:14:46,560
But I, we've all been to puttputs before.

1385
02:14:46,780 --> 02:14:48,160
There's people standing in line.

1386
02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:50,960
They're waiting to get into.

1387
02:14:51,380 --> 02:14:56,960
So, again, I don't know if the traffic study addressed parking.

1388
02:14:58,340 --> 02:14:59,840
The parking is going to be amazing.

1389
02:15:00,500 --> 02:15:06,800
And it's not really fair to sunrise, to chamber, to waterline, both of them.

1390
02:15:07,580 --> 02:15:13,520
Because they, as we know, are tourists, or guests. They're not really familiar with that.

1391
02:15:16,120 --> 02:15:24,540
Let's see. Outdoor music. I'm concerned about the music. I live, wait, if you want to sunrise.

1392
02:15:24,540 --> 02:15:27,320
I'm still here with you, I agree with that.

1393
02:15:27,640 --> 02:15:28,440
One minute, one minute.

1394
02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:33,320
Sunrise Lane's a private road.

1395
02:15:33,680 --> 02:15:37,220
All of these people are going to, if they end up having a problem,

1396
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:40,700
they're going to spill out onto Sunrise and block us residents

1397
02:15:40,700 --> 02:15:42,160
from using our private areas.

1398
02:15:44,300 --> 02:15:48,440
And is there a question, is there a reciprocal easement agreement

1399
02:15:48,440 --> 02:15:52,220
or a current existing easement agreement with between the two properties

1400
02:15:54,720 --> 02:16:00,620
If there isn't, you're going to have all kinds of spillover and access issues.

1401
02:16:01,240 --> 02:16:07,360
I don't know if there is one of the record I have of it, but there should be a requirement to come to the farm.

1402
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:12,120
Thank you very much.

1403
02:16:21,080 --> 02:16:22,140
That's all right. Thank you.

1404
02:16:25,880 --> 02:16:28,240
Margie Montzer 305 56th Street.

1405
02:16:28,740 --> 02:16:31,540
I want to thank you for the office.

1406
02:16:35,340 --> 02:16:35,860
Are

1407
02:16:39,180 --> 02:16:40,320
you saying I'm short?

1408
02:16:42,960 --> 02:16:43,480
Okay.

1409
02:16:45,380 --> 02:16:47,380
I just have a couple of questions,

1410
02:16:47,420 --> 02:16:51,580
but I want to preface it by saying that some residents would like to see the

1411
02:16:51,580 --> 02:16:54,360
the city stir resources towards some key properties

1412
02:16:55,020 --> 02:16:57,060
with stipulation of public space element.

1413
02:16:57,500 --> 02:17:00,460
And I'm fully aware that this one would have been

1414
02:17:01,300 --> 02:17:02,340
challenging financially,

1415
02:17:02,820 --> 02:17:05,540
but the Bank of America property would not have been.

1416
02:17:05,840 --> 02:17:07,440
That would have been a great location

1417
02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:09,440
for a city-sponsored welcome center,

1418
02:17:09,940 --> 02:17:11,540
along with the chamber.

1419
02:17:12,260 --> 02:17:13,760
With flooding the way it is,

1420
02:17:13,900 --> 02:17:16,160
there's a good shot, we may need space for a pump.

1421
02:17:16,680 --> 02:17:19,520
And the ULI suggested very feasible ways

1422
02:17:19,520 --> 02:17:24,720
of affordable housing so that our police, our service workers, and our business

1423
02:17:24,720 --> 02:17:29,380
owners could afford to live on the island. So with that being said, I'll get

1424
02:17:29,380 --> 02:17:34,700
into my questions. First, I do appreciate the applicants modifications in

1425
02:17:34,700 --> 02:17:40,240
response to your concerns about the noise. However, loudspeakers do remain in

1426
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:45,040
the outdoor recreation area, which you made clear, and also the 11 p.m. is

1427
02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:50,360
It's also a special exception, and I think it might be wise to adopt hours concurrent

1428
02:17:50,360 --> 02:17:51,580
with ugly grouper.

1429
02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:57,920
I'm sure you recall last year's South Harbor noise litigation when the judge ruled that

1430
02:17:57,920 --> 02:17:59,680
the homes be tortuous was too vague.

1431
02:18:00,500 --> 02:18:05,900
So you amended it so that the plainly audible standard of 100 feet applied to both day and

1432
02:18:05,900 --> 02:18:06,220
night.

1433
02:18:06,780 --> 02:18:11,160
The distance is what makes it specific and objective to satisfy the court's ruling.

1434
02:18:11,160 --> 02:18:13,000
So my first question is,

1435
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:20,900
will the noise generated from these planned activities be held within that 100-foot radius?

1436
02:18:22,140 --> 02:18:29,920
And secondly, when the issue of the parking garage first surfaced, we coincidentally met a traffic expert.

1437
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:34,120
He had handled litigation with major corporations on this very issue.

1438
02:18:34,560 --> 02:18:38,760
And I was helping him do some research and we were contacting FDOT,

1439
02:18:38,760 --> 02:18:42,660
gathering our data because we were trying to prove that what we all know this

1440
02:18:42,660 --> 02:18:49,200
was a traffic issue not a parking issue. And one thing I did learn is that an

1441
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:54,020
island bank that has a few customers coming and going intermittently is not

1442
02:18:54,020 --> 02:18:58,300
going to have the intensity of this plan right here. As has been mentioned this

1443
02:18:58,300 --> 02:19:04,000
plan includes retail, indoor and outdoor dining, miniature golf, an arcade, a tour

1444
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:11,720
about an ice cream shop and storage facilities. It has 125 seats, 97 parking spaces, six golf

1445
02:19:11,720 --> 02:19:18,620
carts spaces, and 36 bicycle spaces. So this greatly increases intensity, and I think that

1446
02:19:18,620 --> 02:19:23,140
there could be some data that could prove that. And another thing I learned that some

1447
02:19:23,140 --> 02:19:27,060
of you probably already know, I'm sure the chief knows the meaning of LOS.

1448
02:19:29,100 --> 02:19:29,620
And

1449
02:19:29,620 --> 02:19:32,840
And that is in reference to the initials that were used in the plan.

1450
02:19:34,280 --> 02:19:36,420
It's a level of service.

1451
02:19:37,300 --> 02:19:43,940
And the D, and I'm taking this from a professional journal, and I can't do it all because I can't

1452
02:19:43,940 --> 02:19:50,340
do it within the five-minute limit, but word-for-word portions of it saying that D is approaching

1453
02:19:50,340 --> 02:19:57,340
unstable flow, freedom to maneuver within the traffic is much more limited and driver

1454
02:19:57,340 --> 02:20:05,920
comfort levels decrease. And the E says unstable, irregular flow, operating that

1455
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:12,800
capacity, no usable gaps to maneuver, and any incident will create serious delays.

1456
02:20:13,420 --> 02:20:19,140
So as we've all said, this is already a very tenuous intersection. Within a

1457
02:20:19,140 --> 02:20:22,440
very narrow radius over the last few years, you have approved special

1458
02:20:22,440 --> 02:20:30,900
exceptions with extremely high occupancy increases all the way from 133 percent to 338 percent.

1459
02:20:31,020 --> 02:20:33,600
I've done the calculations with each hearing for the last few years.

1460
02:20:34,320 --> 02:20:37,040
You have a business where parking is spread among five properties.

1461
02:20:37,660 --> 02:20:40,660
Another one is spread over three properties.

1462
02:20:40,920 --> 02:20:43,500
So these are not small, insignificant changes.

1463
02:20:45,360 --> 02:20:49,420
We often mention how the island city has its own character.

1464
02:20:49,420 --> 02:20:54,220
a character and historically Holmes Beach has had a different character from Verge Street.

1465
02:20:55,300 --> 02:21:00,860
So all of our guiding documents say that preservation of intended character is paramount.

1466
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:06,820
So my question is, my second question and final question is, are these increases safe

1467
02:21:06,820 --> 02:21:11,760
at this challenging intersection where fatality has already occurred and do they allow Holmes

1468
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:13,800
Beach to stay within the intended character?

1469
02:21:14,320 --> 02:21:20,100
Once again, while I had the poll, the Islander poll from last year, I've shown it before.

1470
02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:25,300
I wanted to show it again, shows that people are primarily concerned about over-development.

1471
02:21:25,500 --> 02:21:34,040
It had a 66% voting on that poll compared to the next highest of clean water, which was 22%.

1472
02:21:34,040 --> 02:21:36,500
So they're very concerned about over-development.

1473
02:21:36,860 --> 02:21:40,960
Now with the flooding, that might be different, but thank you for your time.

1474
02:21:41,140 --> 02:21:41,700
I appreciate it.

1475
02:21:50,300 --> 02:21:51,360
Next up.

1476
02:21:57,720 --> 02:21:59,400
Hi, I'm Debbie Danziger.

1477
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:01,620
I live on 71st Street.

1478
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:02,340
I've lived here.

1479
02:22:02,440 --> 02:22:03,460
I know a lot of you guys.

1480
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:07,300
I've lived here over 30 years, raised my family here.

1481
02:22:08,020 --> 02:22:10,740
And I know the traffic flow around this corner.

1482
02:22:11,100 --> 02:22:14,880
This is the busiest corner there is on the island

1483
02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:17,240
for people going to Holmes Beach in Annemarie.

1484
02:22:17,880 --> 02:22:20,080
It's a hazard that corner.

1485
02:22:20,360 --> 02:22:22,540
It gets slower and slower every year.

1486
02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:25,580
People have died there more than one person.

1487
02:22:25,580 --> 02:22:27,340
and you guys who have lived here a long time

1488
02:22:27,340 --> 02:22:29,600
know how many accidents and things.

1489
02:22:30,080 --> 02:22:34,020
You're just asking for trouble, putting in a big,

1490
02:22:34,180 --> 02:22:36,940
I mean, you can do it by code, if you own the place,

1491
02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:41,020
do whatever you want, but as a person,

1492
02:22:41,140 --> 02:22:44,040
as a citizen of home speech, and you guys,

1493
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:47,240
we elected you, the people of home speech

1494
02:22:47,240 --> 02:22:50,220
who voted for you do not want any variances

1495
02:22:50,220 --> 02:22:51,020
for these people.

1496
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:52,460
This is ridiculous.

1497
02:22:53,140 --> 02:22:54,600
We need to conserve, you know,

1498
02:22:54,600 --> 02:23:01,760
You have to have a quality of life here for your residents or else everybody's going to start leaving even the people have lived here over 30

1499
02:23:03,420 --> 02:23:10,200
We will not be able to survive if you continue to let these variances and let these people have as many people

1500
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:15,920
I mean that corner will be like a party. You know what's going to happen there people hang out there

1501
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:21,620
You won't be able to go back and forth. What happens to people like me or getting older if I get sick

1502
02:23:21,620 --> 02:23:23,280
and I need an ambulance or anything.

1503
02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:26,200
Or I need to get to the store or something.

1504
02:23:26,620 --> 02:23:28,460
Everything is becoming a big deal.

1505
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:30,040
It's not 13 cars.

1506
02:23:30,520 --> 02:23:32,660
It's like 40 cars an hour.

1507
02:23:33,220 --> 02:23:35,660
I mean, you have to take back roads.

1508
02:23:35,880 --> 02:23:38,520
Everybody's cutting through the roads now because,

1509
02:23:39,160 --> 02:23:40,980
well, right now there's nobody here

1510
02:23:40,980 --> 02:23:42,520
because of what happened in the hurricane.

1511
02:23:43,060 --> 02:23:44,280
A lot of people are displaced.

1512
02:23:45,160 --> 02:23:46,940
So a lot of people don't know about this.

1513
02:23:47,400 --> 02:23:49,060
But I can tell you all my friends

1514
02:23:49,060 --> 02:23:50,360
and I've lived here 30 years.

1515
02:23:50,360 --> 02:23:54,260
We know a lot of people on the island, they would not be happy with this.

1516
02:23:54,520 --> 02:23:57,100
I mean, you have to do what you have to do by law.

1517
02:23:57,620 --> 02:24:00,140
Allow these people, don't grant them any variances.

1518
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:04,420
Are they doing something for the city here by doing this?

1519
02:24:04,560 --> 02:24:05,900
Or are we just making them rich?

1520
02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:07,440
You know what?

1521
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:10,760
It comes a point, we live here, we have to live here.

1522
02:24:10,840 --> 02:24:13,880
You have to go by what your voters want.

1523
02:24:14,360 --> 02:24:16,380
We don't want to party on that part.

1524
02:24:16,380 --> 02:24:22,860
It looks like a beautiful place, anywhere else, it'd probably be wonderful, but not on that

1525
02:24:22,860 --> 02:24:23,120
point.

1526
02:24:28,120 --> 02:24:29,320
My husband's not there.

1527
02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:30,500
That's what he's going to do.

1528
02:24:30,660 --> 02:24:34,440
Now we've been two hours to the back and forth from work,

1529
02:24:39,410 --> 02:24:40,570
it's just like you really

1530
02:24:40,570 --> 02:24:46,290
need to be able to navigate this island and that's why a lot of us do it so strongly

1531
02:24:46,290 --> 02:24:46,650
again.

1532
02:24:48,270 --> 02:24:48,790
Anybody

1533
02:25:00,730 --> 02:25:01,830
else wish to speak?

1534
02:25:18,660 --> 02:25:23,360
So as the applicant, you technically still have, you have eight minutes and 18 seconds

1535
02:25:23,360 --> 02:25:25,580
considering your technicality after the meeting.

1536
02:25:33,580 --> 02:25:41,280
Yes, I've signed it up in my address, but I just want to take this moment to thank you

1537
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:46,560
guys for all your consideration. Chad and the building department, looking at this,

1538
02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:50,040
I feel like we have a lot better project than what we began with, with the

1539
02:25:50,040 --> 02:25:55,680
massaging of it and going through all the I think we have a safer project all

1540
02:25:55,680 --> 02:26:01,700
around better project and I appreciate all you guys for contributing and all

1541
02:26:01,700 --> 02:26:07,960
your time everything that you guys have put into the last hearing feedback I was

1542
02:26:07,960 --> 02:26:11,800
commissioner so I understand you get all this especially during the storms

1543
02:26:12,400 --> 02:26:18,160
There's a lot going on, a lot to review, and you guys chose Bill Jinn, you guys.

1544
02:26:18,580 --> 02:26:19,140
Good.

1545
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:22,500
Thank you.

1546
02:26:24,080 --> 02:26:24,780
Thank you.

1547
02:26:26,480 --> 02:26:29,480
Anybody else have any comments?

1548
02:26:31,500 --> 02:26:32,880
You still have some time left.

1549
02:26:35,800 --> 02:26:36,600
Who's counting?

1550
02:26:41,560 --> 02:26:42,760
Code, I wouldn't care.

1551
02:26:45,480 --> 02:26:50,920
difficult. I just wanted to make a couple comments based on the public.

1552
02:26:57,500 --> 02:26:58,620
Again, the noise

1553
02:26:58,620 --> 02:27:09,780
level is background music. It's not a concert. I've been to Jake's place on

1554
02:27:09,780 --> 02:27:15,900
Brighton Beach. You've got to get a feel for it. It's just a background. So it's

1555
02:27:15,900 --> 02:27:17,820
It's not a band plane.

1556
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:20,460
The fence detail is on page four.

1557
02:27:21,260 --> 02:27:26,480
It shows the – calls out the webbing size and the height of it.

1558
02:27:27,880 --> 02:27:37,540
The water line lease, that's something – again, the other projects I've worked on, I've

1559
02:27:37,540 --> 02:27:43,020
had to get off-site parking agreements, which are tenuous because if the property

1560
02:27:43,020 --> 02:27:49,020
get sold. The tenant that has that off-site parking agreement is scrambling to find another

1561
02:27:49,020 --> 02:27:49,500
off-site.

1562
02:27:52,220 --> 02:28:00,000
And there is, on the site plan, on page 2, excuse me, the survey on page 2, shows the

1563
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:08,020
access easements that are already in exist, already exist, which is necessary because

1564
02:28:08,020 --> 02:28:12,180
Jake's property actually goes across the drive. You have the whole shopping center

1565
02:28:12,180 --> 02:28:17,200
back there and they've got to get out. So the survey shows access easements that are

1566
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:18,020
currently existing.

1567
02:28:25,960 --> 02:28:31,520
Eastern Boundary of the property is actually in the roadway there?

1568
02:28:32,260 --> 02:28:38,260
Actually, if you look at it, the driveway, you'll see the marina boats. There's a driveway

1569
02:28:38,260 --> 02:28:44,100
that goes out to a marina drive and so there's an access easement there. And the other access

1570
02:28:44,100 --> 02:28:51,580
that goes to Golf Drive, half of it's on Jake's property and half of it's on the Eastern commercial property.

1571
02:28:53,160 --> 02:29:01,560
So, you know, those are put in place long before. So, there is access. And that's it.

1572
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:06,960
If you have any additional questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them.

1573
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:14,440
I have a couple other clarifications. The noise ordinance will apply to this. This is

1574
02:29:14,440 --> 02:29:19,280
not supersede anything in our noise ordinance, so that will be applicable. The question

1575
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:23,780
about seats, I think it was answered, but the seats for restaurant was one space per

1576
02:29:23,780 --> 02:29:27,740
three. Just to reiterate, this is probably one of the only site plans I've worked

1577
02:29:27,740 --> 02:29:31,200
on since I've been here that they haven't requested some sort of shared parking arrangement

1578
02:29:31,200 --> 02:29:34,800
with another property. So the fact they've been able to accommodate 93 spaces on

1579
02:29:34,800 --> 02:29:35,140
site.

1580
02:29:37,240 --> 02:29:41,140
Like I said, it's unprecedented because I think every proposal we've had has had some

1581
02:29:41,140 --> 02:29:46,940
sort of allowance for officers. And, you know, that's our sites are primarily developed in

1582
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,860
Provide on-site parking in a lot of places, so that's why our code allows for that provision.

1583
02:30:04,300 --> 02:30:07,200
But in this case, they're not proposing any of that.

1584
02:30:08,040 --> 02:30:12,220
And then he just touched base on the cross access agreement, which is on the survey.

1585
02:30:14,590 --> 02:30:20,070
Those who wanted to bear down on the math with the three-to-one formula,

1586
02:30:20,070 --> 02:30:31,330
The restaurant alone at 125 seats would require 41, 41 of the 93, so that means 52 additional

1587
02:30:31,330 --> 02:30:33,970
for the other retail operations.

1588
02:30:37,510 --> 02:30:44,490
Just a point of clarification, it's a total of 93 and that includes the ADA and it includes

1589
02:30:44,490 --> 02:30:45,390
the six.

1590
02:30:45,950 --> 02:30:48,670
It does not include the six because that came after the workshop.

1591
02:30:49,160 --> 02:30:49,810
That's the point.

1592
02:30:49,990 --> 02:30:52,150
I'm not counting those as works.

1593
02:30:52,150 --> 02:30:57,310
And we did ask about providing some alternative for parking.

1594
02:30:57,530 --> 02:30:58,690
So prevalent these days.

1595
02:30:59,130 --> 02:31:04,730
They've added six, so essentially you have the 93 plus six plus.

1596
02:31:05,670 --> 02:31:06,270
Was it four?

1597
02:31:06,530 --> 02:31:07,950
93 includes the 488.

1598
02:31:09,450 --> 02:31:11,630
Includes the 488, but not the goal.

1599
02:31:11,850 --> 02:31:12,170
That's correct.

1600
02:31:12,670 --> 02:31:15,150
And you get eight seats free.

1601
02:31:15,510 --> 02:31:16,550
No parking requirement.

1602
02:31:16,930 --> 02:31:16,950
Correct.

1603
02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:17,450
Outdoor dining.

1604
02:31:18,670 --> 02:31:19,690
Outdoor dining.

1605
02:31:19,690 --> 02:31:28,870
Chad, could you refresh the commission and the public on what happened to the agreement

1606
02:31:28,870 --> 02:31:36,130
between Main Sale and Wells Fargo and how they were able to bring their property into

1607
02:31:36,130 --> 02:31:36,690
compliance?

1608
02:31:37,470 --> 02:31:37,990
Certainly.

1609
02:31:39,470 --> 02:31:43,690
Maybe Mr. Spooner can confirm, but that lease agreement didn't transfer to the new ownership,

1610
02:31:44,090 --> 02:31:47,630
so Main Sales, and when that was brought to our attention, the concern was, well,

1611
02:31:47,630 --> 02:31:51,970
how are they still going to meet their parking standards? So they provided us a parking update

1612
02:31:51,970 --> 02:31:56,830
based upon their tenants who was then using it's primarily for the charter vessels as the

1613
02:31:56,830 --> 02:32:02,010
parking ratios were for the charter vessels. So they've been able for right now, obviously

1614
02:32:02,010 --> 02:32:06,370
not a lot going on. So they're well below their needed parking. But it is something that in the

1615
02:32:06,370 --> 02:32:10,990
future they're going to have to address because it was part of their site plan.

1616
02:32:12,130 --> 02:32:14,910
But Mr. Spooner is not responsible for that.

1617
02:32:15,810 --> 02:32:23,650
And Code does monitor the vessels that are renting there and the seat capacity on those boats

1618
02:32:23,650 --> 02:32:27,130
to make sure that they are in compliance with the parking that is provided.

1619
02:32:27,590 --> 02:32:30,310
It also has to do with how many seats are at the restaurant.

1620
02:32:32,170 --> 02:32:33,330
It's not main sale.

1621
02:32:33,910 --> 02:32:34,370
Waterline.

1622
02:32:34,370 --> 02:32:44,430
So everything was checked and double checked when it was brought to our attention that they were losing that lease.

1623
02:32:47,250 --> 02:32:51,800
So the answer is just for clarity, the water line is in compliance presently.

1624
02:32:52,750 --> 02:32:58,170
Based upon the parking standards that you guys set forth in your, they would meet the parking ratios,

1625
02:32:58,550 --> 02:33:04,430
but part of their approval was the agreement for that parking arrangement.

1626
02:33:04,430 --> 02:33:13,950
So, if they need that parking, they're going to have to find an alternative or re-biz their application to reduce their demand.

1627
02:33:14,190 --> 02:33:14,890
Do they know that?

1628
02:33:15,430 --> 02:33:15,870
Yes they do.

1629
02:33:16,270 --> 02:33:17,770
How many parking spaces are we talking about?

1630
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:21,040
I don't know.

1631
02:33:21,240 --> 02:33:22,740
I'm not sure it counts with you.

1632
02:33:27,880 --> 02:33:30,280
Variances? What are the variances you're requesting?

1633
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:32,200
There are no variances.

1634
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:33,620
Or the stipulation, sorry.

1635
02:33:34,680 --> 02:33:36,680
Wasn't it, you wanted it with the parking?

1636
02:33:37,860 --> 02:33:38,060
No.

1637
02:33:38,060 --> 02:33:39,580
That has to be included in the motion.

1638
02:33:40,340 --> 02:33:43,680
It was the special exception request for amplified music

1639
02:33:43,680 --> 02:33:44,620
and outdoor recreation.

1640
02:33:44,940 --> 02:33:46,220
Music, okay, the music?

1641
02:33:46,620 --> 02:33:47,680
And outdoor recreation, yes.

1642
02:33:47,860 --> 02:33:48,760
Outdoor rec, okay.

1643
02:33:49,800 --> 02:33:50,820
Amplification of music.

1644
02:33:51,500 --> 02:33:56,320
Okay, from what I'm seeing of all places in the city

1645
02:33:56,320 --> 02:33:58,020
where I've lived for 55 years,

1646
02:33:58,700 --> 02:34:02,420
is this is both compatible uses

1647
02:34:02,420 --> 02:34:05,940
that it's kind of like when Pete Renard sold to,

1648
02:34:06,480 --> 02:34:08,740
I forgot what it was called then, but it's waterline now.

1649
02:34:09,160 --> 02:34:12,720
We had a major deal then, but it had been there for many,

1650
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:14,860
many years before then, but we want to keep

1651
02:34:14,860 --> 02:34:15,920
commercial and commercial.

1652
02:34:16,100 --> 02:34:18,080
We don't want it to bleed out into the residences,

1653
02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:19,580
and to me, this makes sense.

1654
02:34:19,880 --> 02:34:22,480
I mean, I've never heard of a complaint

1655
02:34:22,480 --> 02:34:23,520
from where you are now.

1656
02:34:23,740 --> 02:34:25,780
I actually went, when you had the Lakewood Ranch one,

1657
02:34:25,860 --> 02:34:26,520
I used to go there.

1658
02:34:26,620 --> 02:34:28,060
It looked exactly like out here,

1659
02:34:28,140 --> 02:34:29,660
and that's probably what this is gonna look like.

1660
02:34:30,940 --> 02:34:32,980
All the uses in it are the same,

1661
02:34:33,040 --> 02:34:34,720
except for the east part of the property.

1662
02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:42,320
I don't know if on sunrise if there is no parking or if that could be a solution

1663
02:34:42,320 --> 02:34:46,580
maybe you could talk later about that or just only allow a few parking spaces so

1664
02:34:46,580 --> 02:34:50,580
the residents wouldn't be so upset if this does tend to be a problem I think

1665
02:34:50,580 --> 02:34:54,980
our traffic engineer can do that if the board says that there's going to be a

1666
02:34:54,980 --> 02:34:58,900
problem not to go with this site plan but if it is does end up to be an

1667
02:34:58,900 --> 02:35:09,040
issue. I'd like to close the public hearing and then we can thank you.

1668
02:35:44,380 --> 02:35:46,320
My name is Fernanda.

1669
02:35:47,020 --> 02:35:55,440
I live here in Holmes Beach in 52nd Street. It's a wonderful, beautiful place. When I

1670
02:35:55,440 --> 02:36:04,340
I moved here, I thought I was coming to paradise and it is the best place I ever been in my

1671
02:36:04,340 --> 02:36:05,120
whole life.

1672
02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:14,740
What I would like to know and I in advance apologize for my English if I put it in a tone that

1673
02:36:14,740 --> 02:36:16,980
it's not soft enough.

1674
02:36:16,980 --> 02:36:26,890
But I would like to know commissioners and are voted by the residents.

1675
02:36:28,170 --> 02:36:35,070
They are not voted by tourists or by constructors, developers.

1676
02:36:36,250 --> 02:36:45,190
So what I would like to know is in practice when a proposal like this new business

1677
02:36:45,190 --> 02:36:58,110
are being presented to the city if there is any weight in the decision if it is what the

1678
02:36:58,110 --> 02:37:08,570
residents want for their seat or not, or if the commissioners or if who take the decision

1679
02:37:08,570 --> 02:37:16,970
only open the book, look what it's written in the law, and if it is allowed or not.

1680
02:37:18,270 --> 02:37:25,910
I think the residents should have, if it is possible, I'm not suggesting nothing wrong.

1681
02:37:28,140 --> 02:37:37,800
I think the fair is, for the city, think in the first place, what makes their residents more pleased

1682
02:37:37,800 --> 02:37:47,060
visit and not income of business, money, taxes, or things like this.

1683
02:37:48,100 --> 02:37:54,840
I would like to have the opportunity to keep living in the best place of the world.

1684
02:37:55,540 --> 02:37:57,080
Thank you so much.

1685
02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:17,000
Hi, thank you so much for swearing me in afterwards.

1686
02:38:17,240 --> 02:38:18,200
I didn't think I was going to speak.

1687
02:38:18,400 --> 02:38:19,400
My name is Perry Parkman.

1688
02:38:19,540 --> 02:38:20,860
I do not live in homespeech.

1689
02:38:20,860 --> 02:38:27,780
I live in Annamarie, and to get to Annamarie, you have to go through home speech, and to

1690
02:38:27,780 --> 02:38:31,440
exit Annamarie, you have to go through home speech.

1691
02:38:32,400 --> 02:38:37,060
And I know we all travel these roads every single day.

1692
02:38:38,360 --> 02:38:46,060
And every single day, even now, with very little tenants in Annamarie and home speech,

1693
02:38:46,780 --> 02:38:51,480
very few of our seasonal people have even come back yet.

1694
02:38:52,300 --> 02:38:54,860
It is already congested.

1695
02:38:56,220 --> 02:39:00,200
Now, I think it's a great idea to have it one way.

1696
02:39:00,380 --> 02:39:02,540
However, where are you gonna make a U-turn?

1697
02:39:02,760 --> 02:39:04,920
Except going down the residential

1698
02:39:05,560 --> 02:39:07,800
all the way to the park and coming out this way.

1699
02:39:07,820 --> 02:39:09,240
I wonder how they would feel about that.

1700
02:39:10,360 --> 02:39:14,000
Versus England and not a main road.

1701
02:39:14,920 --> 02:39:16,780
I know it would make me very happy.

1702
02:39:17,560 --> 02:39:20,380
And to get out of there, you have to turn on Marina

1703
02:39:20,380 --> 02:39:22,900
and then make a unit, you turn there.

1704
02:39:23,340 --> 02:39:27,200
It's already congested. I am so sorry, but I love the idea.

1705
02:39:27,900 --> 02:39:29,140
I love the presentation.

1706
02:39:30,600 --> 02:39:35,460
Just not sure that we're going to be able to accommodate it physically.

1707
02:39:37,460 --> 02:39:38,760
Thank you for your consideration.

1708
02:39:53,820 --> 02:40:00,900
Good afternoon. Mayor, commissioners, Jason Sado. I wanted to speak on this. You know,

1709
02:40:00,920 --> 02:40:06,020
I thought I was going to sit here and just listen as well. But I think, you know, one

1710
02:40:06,020 --> 02:40:10,100
of the important things that I don't know if Jake has brought up or anyone that's involved

1711
02:40:10,100 --> 02:40:16,880
in this project is the people that are involved in this project are island residents. So

1712
02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:23,860
So it's, you know, I think that, and I think Jake has done a good job of, you know, really

1713
02:40:23,860 --> 02:40:29,300
listening to what the commission's asked for and making the changes because he wants to

1714
02:40:29,300 --> 02:40:29,820
be a good neighbor.

1715
02:40:30,360 --> 02:40:31,400
He lives on this island.

1716
02:40:31,500 --> 02:40:32,400
He grew up on the island.

1717
02:40:34,120 --> 02:40:39,040
And, you know, I think if we were asking for, you know, I get it, traffic's bad.

1718
02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:44,000
Whether that, whether this is there, whether fish hold is there or not, or restaurants

1719
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:46,340
there is not, traffic is going to be bad.

1720
02:40:46,340 --> 02:40:51,180
I live in Annamaria, it's traffic's bad now coming out to the island with all the construction workers

1721
02:40:51,180 --> 02:40:55,560
And we don't we're not even in season yet, so I get that people are worried about that

1722
02:40:55,560 --> 02:40:58,320
But that's a much bigger problem than

1723
02:40:59,100 --> 02:41:00,800
What we're talking about right now

1724
02:41:01,260 --> 02:41:02,360
someone who has

1725
02:41:02,980 --> 02:41:03,860
three children

1726
02:41:04,780 --> 02:41:08,880
Who are always looking for things to do on the island? I think this is a great opportunity

1727
02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:12,260
we're always talking about how we want to bring more young families out here and

1728
02:41:12,260 --> 02:41:17,380
and, you know, things for kids to do and now we have this opportunity to do it.

1729
02:41:17,420 --> 02:41:21,420
And I think I love the commission's feedback so far as it's mostly positive.

1730
02:41:22,700 --> 02:41:26,960
But, you know, I think that this is something that's really going to make,

1731
02:41:27,220 --> 02:41:31,620
it's almost like the entryway into Homes Beach that's really going to pop with beautiful landscaping

1732
02:41:31,620 --> 02:41:36,020
and a nice building, you know, looking much better than the bank is there.

1733
02:41:36,260 --> 02:41:40,260
And again, I get people's concern with traffic and traffic patterns and all that stuff,

1734
02:41:40,260 --> 02:41:43,980
you know, we can sit down and have a zillion meetings on how to figure that out. I mean,

1735
02:41:44,680 --> 02:41:51,100
good luck. But, you know, I think for what, you know, for what Jake's trying to do is

1736
02:41:51,100 --> 02:41:54,980
really, again, selfishly, like I said, you know, me having children out here, it's like

1737
02:41:54,980 --> 02:41:59,120
it's a really cool opportunity where my kids, you know, got 36 bikes, like I can cut my

1738
02:41:59,120 --> 02:42:02,000
kids loose, they can ride instead of having to ride their bikes all the way down to

1739
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:07,800
Bridge Street, you know, now they can, you know, ride right to Holmes Beach. And

1740
02:42:07,800 --> 02:42:12,420
you know the place that I grew up in that Jake grew up in and that's just what I

1741
02:42:12,420 --> 02:42:17,000
wanted to say it's like we're not dealing with some developer who's you

1742
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:20,760
know from out of town or off island that that's coming here to destroy the

1743
02:42:20,760 --> 02:42:25,560
island or you know it was just selfishly in this for greed it's like yes

1744
02:42:25,560 --> 02:42:29,200
they want to do something but I think the most important thing is you're

1745
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:33,180
dealing with Allen residents that also want to be good neighbors thank you

1746
02:42:33,180 --> 02:42:34,100
All

1747
02:42:37,460 --> 02:42:39,580
right. That's going to end the public comment.

1748
02:42:40,620 --> 02:42:46,900
Attorney to explain how our process that we go through to approve or disprove

1749
02:42:46,900 --> 02:42:50,060
something and anything that comes forward.

1750
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:56,840
So because this is a site plan and special exception hearing, it is a public hearing of a quasi-judicial nature.

1751
02:42:57,820 --> 02:43:02,800
What a quasi-judicial decision means is that the commission typically sits in a legislative capacity

1752
02:43:02,800 --> 02:43:06,820
and that it makes the laws that the city follows based on public comment.

1753
02:43:07,780 --> 02:43:12,800
Sitting in a quasi-judicial capacity, it is sitting in a almost like a judicial capacity

1754
02:43:12,800 --> 02:43:16,120
in that it is taking in all of the evidence that it was presented today.

1755
02:43:16,640 --> 02:43:21,000
It is comparing it against the criteria that is set forth in the laws of the city of home

1756
02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:23,060
speech and the code and the comprehensive plan.

1757
02:43:23,480 --> 02:43:29,120
It is making a determination whether or not the evidence presented satisfies the criteria

1758
02:43:29,120 --> 02:43:29,740
and the code.

1759
02:43:29,740 --> 02:43:39,900
Regardless of whatever their personal opinions are, if the evidence presented satisfies the criteria, they are bound by the code to find in favor of the application.

1760
02:43:40,820 --> 02:43:47,260
If the evidence presented does not satisfy the criteria, then they are bound by the code to deny the application.

1761
02:43:47,900 --> 02:43:52,860
For the denial, they are required to give the reasons for the denial on the record.

1762
02:43:52,860 --> 02:43:57,560
for the approval it can be a stated in the staff report

1763
02:43:57,560 --> 02:43:59,080
or based on the evidence presented

1764
02:43:59,820 --> 02:44:01,940
because that is all detailed in the findings effect

1765
02:44:01,940 --> 02:44:02,980
within the resolution.

1766
02:44:03,700 --> 02:44:05,960
So while there is public comment

1767
02:44:07,080 --> 02:44:09,440
because this is a quasi-adjustable proceeding

1768
02:44:09,440 --> 02:44:12,780
that public comment is filtered in the vein

1769
02:44:12,780 --> 02:44:14,760
of whether or not the public comment

1770
02:44:14,760 --> 02:44:16,020
was based on the criteria

1771
02:44:16,020 --> 02:44:19,240
and whether or not it either supports the evidence

1772
02:44:19,240 --> 02:44:20,460
or negates the evidence

1773
02:44:20,460 --> 02:44:22,640
in order to satisfy the criteria in the code.

1774
02:44:23,300 --> 02:44:25,580
So all that to say that whether or not

1775
02:44:25,580 --> 02:44:27,600
each individual commissioner finds the project

1776
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:30,020
to be very satisfying or detriment to the city

1777
02:44:30,020 --> 02:44:30,660
is irrelevant.

1778
02:44:31,040 --> 02:44:32,860
It is whether or not the evidence presented

1779
02:44:32,860 --> 02:44:34,340
meets the criteria in the code.

1780
02:44:38,340 --> 02:44:39,600
There's no more time for questions.

1781
02:44:39,820 --> 02:44:40,940
The public hearing has closed.

1782
02:44:41,180 --> 02:44:43,100
If you do have a question about the process after though,

1783
02:44:43,200 --> 02:44:45,200
I'd be happy to have a conversation with you.

1784
02:44:45,900 --> 02:44:48,740
Public hearing is closed and I'd like a motion.

1785
02:44:50,660 --> 02:44:53,440
Mr. Chair, just so I can finish up

1786
02:44:53,440 --> 02:44:57,700
But the level of service in the city of Holmes Beach probably as well as the rest of the

1787
02:44:57,700 --> 02:44:59,960
other two cities has been a D for many years.

1788
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,160
Motion, but I was going to explain why. Yeah, I can do that.

1789
02:45:06,610 --> 02:45:08,670
Oh, discussion next after the

1790
02:45:08,670 --> 02:45:13,810
motion. Oh, you want me to do a motion first? Oh, usually you discuss and then make it. Okay,

1791
02:45:13,850 --> 02:45:19,430
so it's okay. Okay, based on the staff report and evidence presented today, I move to approve

1792
02:45:21,110 --> 02:45:25,370
resolution 24-13. I'm sorry. Zero second. I'll second.

1793
02:45:27,960 --> 02:45:29,660
Now we can discuss. Go ahead.

1794
02:45:29,660 --> 02:45:31,960
I apologize, I gotta learn the ropes here.

1795
02:45:32,580 --> 02:45:35,180
So anyway, the trolley is a congestion management study

1796
02:45:35,180 --> 02:45:37,580
that came in fruition in 2003

1797
02:45:37,580 --> 02:45:39,700
because of our level of service in our roads,

1798
02:45:39,960 --> 02:45:41,900
which was probably a C or close to a D.

1799
02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:43,560
And that's why we still have it today

1800
02:45:43,560 --> 02:45:44,960
because we've proven to the state

1801
02:45:45,370 --> 02:45:46,920
that it's still taking traffic off.

1802
02:45:47,000 --> 02:45:49,560
Unfortunately, it probably always will be a D out here.

1803
02:45:51,160 --> 02:45:55,280
And to me, this is the most compatible commercial area

1804
02:45:55,280 --> 02:45:56,940
where the commercial should be

1805
02:45:56,940 --> 02:45:58,000
and not in our neighborhoods.

1806
02:45:58,000 --> 02:46:00,760
So that's why the only reason why I'm supporting this.

1807
02:46:08,920 --> 02:46:15,940
I appreciate the lady's question because a lot of people assume that we make decisions

1808
02:46:15,940 --> 02:46:19,980
on whether we like or dislike something, and that is not the case.

1809
02:46:20,420 --> 02:46:22,520
We have a book called A Comprehensive Plan.

1810
02:46:22,740 --> 02:46:32,220
It's a fairly big book, but it lays down like a road of rules that subsequent and

1811
02:46:32,220 --> 02:46:38,380
present commissioners follow and it's been made up over the years by

1812
02:46:39,800 --> 02:46:44,420
citizens coming in giving suggestions about how they want their city to be

1813
02:46:44,420 --> 02:46:50,180
run what to look like and all of that. So we follow that book like a Bible

1814
02:46:50,180 --> 02:46:56,700
because it establishes what the citizens needlessly have asked us to do.

1815
02:46:56,700 --> 02:47:05,280
So, when we make a decision, we base it upon those facts of the comprehensive plan and

1816
02:47:05,280 --> 02:47:09,260
has the applicant met those stipulations.

1817
02:47:10,140 --> 02:47:15,160
So, whether we like it or dislike it does not play into this.

1818
02:47:15,700 --> 02:47:24,740
I, however, do like Mr. Spooner's conception of a golf course, golf putt, whatever you

1819
02:47:24,740 --> 02:47:25,440
want to call it.

1820
02:47:25,440 --> 02:47:29,960
I think that's very applique for this island to have that.

1821
02:47:30,660 --> 02:47:35,000
We have a lot of young people that will appreciate that.

1822
02:47:35,080 --> 02:47:38,420
Even some young people and old people might appreciate that.

1823
02:47:38,860 --> 02:47:46,520
I'm a little concerned about the multitude of businesses at that establishment.

1824
02:47:47,200 --> 02:47:50,980
But I think time will tell whether that plays out or not.

1825
02:47:50,980 --> 02:47:52,020
We

1826
02:47:54,260 --> 02:48:03,180
have such a mixed city map here. We don't have a commercial business, a

1827
02:48:03,180 --> 02:48:08,100
residential business, and there's a line drawn. We're all kind of mixed in

1828
02:48:08,100 --> 02:48:15,400
together so whatever happens in one area affects the residents constantly. I would

1829
02:48:15,400 --> 02:48:21,500
I'm going to monitor that so-called AmpliKide music because I don't like it

1830
02:48:21,500 --> 02:48:26,440
being played until 11 o'clock at night on I think it's Friday and Saturday.

1831
02:48:28,480 --> 02:48:29,520
Again, I

1832
02:48:29,520 --> 02:48:35,800
could be wrong. Maybe you don't hear it. I hear you hear everything. So I kind of will

1833
02:48:35,800 --> 02:48:41,900
watch that and see if we can help maybe make that more applicable. I don't know what kind

1834
02:48:41,900 --> 02:48:49,140
of music is going to be played. I applaud the fact that he has invested his money

1835
02:48:49,140 --> 02:48:56,140
and time and effort into this idea. I think it's a good idea. We're a little reluctant

1836
02:48:56,140 --> 02:49:05,360
to change, but I think this is a good step towards something here that will establish

1837
02:49:05,360 --> 02:49:12,860
a good corner there. Traffic is going to be traffic. We constantly try to improve it.

1838
02:49:12,860 --> 02:49:18,980
There's just not much we can do. Go to Tampa or go to Orlando. That's even better.

1839
02:49:21,600 --> 02:49:34,710
So, I like the idea, Jake, and I think we can tweak it a little bit more, maybe to make it more receptive to some of the residents close by.

1840
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:41,250
The parking you have established, which is primarily the biggest argument I have heard

1841
02:49:41,670 --> 02:49:44,210
from the businesses around that area.

1842
02:49:44,610 --> 02:49:51,630
They don't want other people coming on to their parking lots and going to your business.

1843
02:49:52,810 --> 02:49:55,170
So that happens constantly out here.

1844
02:49:55,350 --> 02:49:59,710
We can't stop it, but the more we can mitigate it, the better off we are.

1845
02:49:59,710 --> 02:50:03,970
So I approve the project. I think it's a good one.

1846
02:50:06,640 --> 02:50:14,580
Yes. Just one question I had to the developer to you, Jake or Mr. Smith.

1847
02:50:15,460 --> 02:50:20,620
I didn't see anywhere what your proposed hours of operation are.

1848
02:50:21,000 --> 02:50:26,620
If it's in there, I missed it and I'm sorry, but what do you anticipate your hours of operation?

1849
02:50:26,620 --> 02:50:27,420
Thank

1850
02:50:40,090 --> 02:50:46,050
you. That answers that question or checks that box.

1851
02:50:48,650 --> 02:50:53,450
I think we've all given a lot of consideration. You certainly have.

1852
02:50:54,190 --> 02:50:59,610
As Carol has said, you've invested your time and your capital in this project.

1853
02:51:00,670 --> 02:51:06,850
The noise issue is always going to be a sensitive issue. I think you have addressed it.

1854
02:51:07,530 --> 02:51:14,410
I can compare it since I live in close proximity to the ugly grouper, to the conditions we set there.

1855
02:51:16,130 --> 02:51:26,210
And in the case of the ugly grouper, we require it as a condition that any live music sees at 8 o'clock.

1856
02:51:27,970 --> 02:51:34,930
The background music, pipe music, recorded music, whatever the best term for that is,

1857
02:51:34,930 --> 02:51:44,370
continues until closure I believe. I've never ever heard anything from those

1858
02:51:44,370 --> 02:51:50,610
speakers and again living just on the fifth 500 block of 58th Street we have a

1859
02:51:50,610 --> 02:51:56,970
direct line to them so I don't anticipate that we will be the closest

1860
02:51:56,970 --> 02:52:01,550
neighborhood is Sunrise and we have representative Sunrise here and I'm

1861
02:52:01,550 --> 02:52:04,590
certain the city will hear from neighbors

1862
02:52:04,590 --> 02:52:06,750
in the closest residential area

1863
02:52:06,750 --> 02:52:11,910
if they believe there are violations in the noise ordinance.

1864
02:52:12,370 --> 02:52:14,690
So I have faith in the fact

1865
02:52:14,690 --> 02:52:16,750
that you will be a good citizen,

1866
02:52:17,090 --> 02:52:18,290
you will be a good operator.

1867
02:52:18,630 --> 02:52:22,750
And if there are issues that come to our city's attention

1868
02:52:22,750 --> 02:52:23,990
with regard to compliance,

1869
02:52:24,350 --> 02:52:27,730
that you will deal with those appropriately.

1870
02:52:28,610 --> 02:52:35,090
I also remember that this has been an unsightly corner for going on five years, actually four

1871
02:52:35,090 --> 02:52:35,790
and three-quarters.

1872
02:52:37,010 --> 02:52:47,670
And with the elimination of what had been four banks down to one, this site remained undeveloped

1873
02:52:47,670 --> 02:52:52,330
in its rather raw condition up to this period of time.

1874
02:52:52,330 --> 02:52:59,770
And so I think from an aesthetic standpoint, undoubtedly this is a tremendous facelift

1875
02:52:59,770 --> 02:53:05,110
to what I believe is truly the second busiest intersection in homespeech.

1876
02:53:05,390 --> 02:53:12,510
And I applaud the attention to detail that you, the architects and engineers have given

1877
02:53:12,510 --> 02:53:16,590
to the aesthetics of this program.

1878
02:53:17,090 --> 02:53:19,250
Traffic was one of my major concerns.

1879
02:53:19,250 --> 02:53:24,470
Fortunately, I live across from the traffic engineer, and I had those discussions.

1880
02:53:25,710 --> 02:53:36,430
And I, although originally had some concerns with traffic, I think this project in its own

1881
02:53:36,430 --> 02:53:41,030
may contribute to some additional for your benefit and your tenants.

1882
02:53:41,310 --> 02:53:46,450
I hope it increases traffic for their success because we want successful businesses.

1883
02:53:46,450 --> 02:53:52,750
But I don't see any overall scale projects of this nature compounding it.

1884
02:53:53,750 --> 02:54:02,630
Our problem is an over-sale and over-production of our city, resulting in a tremendous increase,

1885
02:54:02,730 --> 02:54:05,470
continuing increase in population and visitors.

1886
02:54:06,430 --> 02:54:15,410
So I think as I've repeated before, in my opinion, you've checked the boxes of

1887
02:54:15,410 --> 02:54:17,650
the issues that we felt pretty strongly about.

1888
02:54:18,030 --> 02:54:20,270
We heard from citizens, we heard you heard from us,

1889
02:54:20,610 --> 02:54:23,230
and I appreciate your endeavors to do so.

1890
02:54:25,330 --> 02:54:28,110
The safety issue has been addressed,

1891
02:54:28,290 --> 02:54:30,970
which is one of my concerns as well.

1892
02:54:31,410 --> 02:54:34,490
And I would agree, bollards are not attractive,

1893
02:54:34,710 --> 02:54:39,330
and I like the idea of the stones,

1894
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:41,230
or I should say boulders,

1895
02:54:41,790 --> 02:54:44,030
to provide a little extra safety.

1896
02:54:44,030 --> 02:54:59,280
So I look to this as an improvement in projects and points of interest for not only our visitors

1897
02:54:59,280 --> 02:55:00,200
but our citizens.

1898
02:55:01,870 --> 02:55:03,900
I hope you're successful.

1899
02:55:04,440 --> 02:55:14,080
I certainly feel it deserves my approval going forward and I think based on I hope

1900
02:55:14,080 --> 02:55:19,660
everyone's better understanding of the criteria that we have to deal with with

1901
02:55:19,660 --> 02:55:26,240
regard to voting up or voting down. It meets in my opinion the criteria that we

1902
02:55:26,240 --> 02:55:32,540
have with regard to our our codes and ordinances and I intend to vote in favor of it.

1903
02:55:37,780 --> 02:55:45,600
I do agree it that that corner needs improving in the fact that it's a

1904
02:55:46,420 --> 02:55:53,800
miniature golf. That's a lot of green added. That's water features. Right now

1905
02:55:53,800 --> 02:56:01,260
it's just a that whole entire corner is a sea of asphalt. Very little infiltration.

1906
02:56:03,820 --> 02:56:08,200
It was that was a pretty huge project bringing storm infrastructure to deal

1907
02:56:08,200 --> 02:56:15,060
with the lack of storm any type of storm retention in that whole area. I

1908
02:56:15,060 --> 02:56:16,720
I do have some recommendations.

1909
02:56:17,060 --> 02:56:24,260
We have done in the past, we've done site approvals that do have hour of operations stipulated

1910
02:56:24,260 --> 02:56:30,080
in the resolution and especially being that this is an outdoor recreation and we have

1911
02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:35,520
heard from residents in the area that are concerned about noise, hours of operation

1912
02:56:35,520 --> 02:56:37,300
because of the outdoor use.

1913
02:56:37,620 --> 02:56:44,000
You can easily add that into a resolution if the applicant is okay with that.

1914
02:56:44,000 --> 02:56:50,140
And speaking with Dan this morning, and I also spoke with the planner.

1915
02:56:50,860 --> 02:56:59,420
He did review some of the other resolutions that we had done in this area, most notably ugly grouper.

1916
02:57:00,680 --> 02:57:04,740
What concerned me the most was that word amplified.

1917
02:57:05,640 --> 02:57:10,740
When you're in a small island where the residents are close to commercial,

1918
02:57:10,740 --> 02:57:17,720
I can hear every single word that is sung from that bandstand at my house.

1919
02:57:18,480 --> 02:57:20,100
And it's loud.

1920
02:57:20,860 --> 02:57:23,300
And many times I've asked the chief,

1921
02:57:23,960 --> 02:57:25,920
will you just please do a decimal reading?

1922
02:57:26,140 --> 02:57:28,760
And he says, it's within the decibels.

1923
02:57:29,280 --> 02:57:31,020
And I think it's 65?

1924
02:57:32,200 --> 02:57:33,440
That's crazy.

1925
02:57:34,160 --> 02:57:39,900
How can it be within the decibel when you can hear every single word?

1926
02:57:39,900 --> 02:57:44,980
So it's like dueling music with, I don't want to listen to Jimmy Buffett every day.

1927
02:57:45,880 --> 02:57:52,180
So that amplified, so thank you for taking that off the second floor.

1928
02:57:52,520 --> 02:58:02,200
But we do have some covered areas throughout the golf course that could easily have maybe entertainment put down there.

1929
02:58:02,360 --> 02:58:05,540
So that's something we can even put stipulations.

1930
02:58:05,540 --> 02:58:12,380
It's ambient or background music only at a certain decibel level, possibly.

1931
02:58:13,100 --> 02:58:17,900
Not to exceed this. No bands, no DJs, whatever.

1932
02:58:18,500 --> 02:58:28,520
Just thinking ahead of time so we don't open something up that's going to be a burden on the residential neighborhood.

1933
02:58:29,060 --> 02:58:33,380
On 52nd Street, Sunrise, everybody that's sort of around that.

1934
02:58:35,500 --> 02:58:42,640
So, Mr. Chair, the mayor's talking about is a good idea, but I think we'd have to have

1935
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:46,220
it a work session and you can't just come up with a number.

1936
02:58:46,420 --> 02:58:49,100
You have to have a noise study, you don't, okay.

1937
02:58:52,220 --> 02:58:57,880
But I can hear ugly grouper on 84th Street, but it's because of the breeze.

1938
02:58:58,240 --> 02:59:00,100
It's not like it's really loud.

1939
02:59:00,220 --> 02:59:01,000
It's just a breeze.

1940
02:59:01,000 --> 02:59:05,900
I can hear the community center and Anna Maria, I can hear them playing baseball and stuff.

1941
02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:09,940
So it's the breeze, unfortunately, but we've got to make sure it's legal whatever we do.

1942
02:59:10,700 --> 02:59:14,220
We got a legal Schmigler dot corner over there.

1943
02:59:14,780 --> 02:59:17,260
She tells me I can't do anything.

1944
02:59:18,880 --> 02:59:20,340
This is what I'd like to do.

1945
02:59:20,840 --> 02:59:23,700
I appreciate all the comments from the people.

1946
02:59:23,920 --> 02:59:25,540
We really take your comments to heart.

1947
02:59:26,220 --> 02:59:29,500
I'd like to see us put a couple of stipulations in the resolution.

1948
02:59:30,500 --> 02:59:37,180
You have a motion on the floor, so you either, and this needs to be decided, you have a motion

1949
02:59:37,180 --> 02:59:37,580
on the floor.

1950
02:59:37,680 --> 02:59:44,020
You either can, the person who made the motion can amend it to include whatever stipulations

1951
02:59:44,020 --> 02:59:47,900
and you can certainly discuss stipulations right here within the discussion period.

1952
02:59:48,560 --> 02:59:52,240
Or you call the roll and you vote on the motion as it is, it either passes or fails

1953
02:59:52,240 --> 02:59:54,480
and then you can bring up another motion if you so choose.

1954
02:59:56,220 --> 02:59:59,880
I would rather hear what his ideas are and make sure.

1955
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,360
In all fairness, because it's whatever it is, it may not have ever been discussed before,

1956
03:00:04,520 --> 03:00:09,380
so then the applicant has to... Right, and keep in mind, I understand you want the

1957
03:00:09,380 --> 03:00:12,400
buy-in of the applicant, but whatever the stipulations are are going to come from the

1958
03:00:12,400 --> 03:00:15,240
commission one way or the other, and they can choose to sign the resolution or not.

1959
03:00:17,600 --> 03:00:22,140
The conditions that, and just for my clarification, I need to make sure if there are stipulations

1960
03:00:22,520 --> 03:00:27,100
can legally do them, that the stipulations you all are talking about or what the mayor

1961
03:00:27,100 --> 03:00:32,820
was saying is that you want to put a, I guess, what are the stipulations that you want?

1962
03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:33,560
What is the concern?

1963
03:00:33,680 --> 03:00:36,020
The concern is that the music is going to be too loud.

1964
03:00:36,260 --> 03:00:37,320
That's what I'd like to do it.

1965
03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:39,520
I'd like to have hours of operations.

1966
03:00:40,180 --> 03:00:40,440
Okay.

1967
03:00:40,640 --> 03:00:42,220
A stipulation as to hours of opulate.

1968
03:00:42,300 --> 03:00:45,960
And a decibel level or the background music.

1969
03:00:46,140 --> 03:00:48,920
The amplified music that is proposed in the, okay.

1970
03:00:49,660 --> 03:00:49,680
Right.

1971
03:00:49,680 --> 03:00:50,260
Or 50 decibels.

1972
03:00:50,520 --> 03:00:51,860
So it's just really background.

1973
03:00:52,140 --> 03:00:53,180
You can barely hear it.

1974
03:00:53,440 --> 03:00:53,940
You can do that.

1975
03:00:54,640 --> 03:00:55,040
Yeah.

1976
03:00:55,180 --> 03:00:55,840
On the landscape.

1977
03:00:56,580 --> 03:00:58,120
There's ten speakers, as I recall.

1978
03:01:01,140 --> 03:01:04,500
So we have to bring the decibel level down, and that's what I'd like to see.

1979
03:01:04,700 --> 03:01:07,680
I'd like to see those stipulations in whatever resolution.

1980
03:01:08,640 --> 03:01:09,600
That's you.

1981
03:01:10,100 --> 03:01:14,440
So then, if Carole also feels, if Commissioner Whitmore feels the same way, she can certainly

1982
03:01:14,440 --> 03:01:16,460
amend her motion to include those stipulations.

1983
03:01:16,680 --> 03:01:17,600
I think she would want to.

1984
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:19,240
I'll do respect.

1985
03:01:19,520 --> 03:01:23,220
I would at least like to hear from the applicant, because this wasn't discussed

1986
03:01:23,220 --> 03:01:24,540
at all until just now.

1987
03:01:24,540 --> 03:01:29,060
And I think the hours maybe we would probably be okay

1988
03:01:29,060 --> 03:01:34,460
And if I've been to his place before and it's real soft the music so I don't know how much you can get much lower

1989
03:01:34,460 --> 03:01:36,580
But I'm not sure what he was going to do here. Yeah

1990
03:01:36,580 --> 03:01:44,380
Chief can talk to the decibel level Jake. Can you tell me what the decibels range at your current place?

1991
03:01:45,060 --> 03:01:47,580
Because it's I don't know that it's readable

1992
03:01:48,380 --> 03:01:53,460
You know really you know because it's like very low. You can still talk and hear yourself

1993
03:01:53,460 --> 03:01:54,680
It's your golf.

1994
03:01:54,680 --> 03:01:54,960
It's your golfing.

1995
03:01:56,640 --> 03:01:57,220
Right.

1996
03:01:58,620 --> 03:01:59,340
Very strictly.

1997
03:02:08,990 --> 03:02:09,530
Very

1998
03:02:20,980 --> 03:02:22,080
strictly.

1999
03:02:22,340 --> 03:02:27,500
It's just like if, I don't know if you've ever done a reading at an island bizarre shopping

2000
03:02:27,500 --> 03:02:27,920
center.

2001
03:02:28,620 --> 03:02:29,800
The Dollar Tree is.

2002
03:02:33,520 --> 03:02:34,020
Right.

2003
03:02:34,260 --> 03:02:34,360
Yup.

2004
03:02:35,200 --> 03:02:36,180
Benerson Pleasant.

2005
03:02:36,320 --> 03:02:37,120
Benerson Pleasant.

2006
03:02:37,400 --> 03:02:38,140
Oh yeah.

2007
03:02:38,360 --> 03:02:38,820
Very similar.

2008
03:02:40,000 --> 03:02:45,460
It's pretty much the same thing, just to, I guess, listen to yourself.

2009
03:02:50,280 --> 03:02:55,640
would you clarify your hours I asked you and I thought I wrote them down

2010
03:02:55,640 --> 03:03:00,380
properly is your anticipated hours of operation 9 30 in the morning till 10

2011
03:03:00,380 --> 03:03:01,380
It's a

2012
03:03:01,380 --> 03:03:02,480
9

2013
03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:19,700
to

2014
03:03:26,190 --> 03:03:35,790
10 9 9 a.m. To 10 p.m. Is your anticipated hours of operation for the man for the retail

2015
03:03:37,390 --> 03:03:42,970
Right, and 9 to 9.30, 9 a.m. to 9.30 p.m. on the golf course, okay.

2016
03:03:43,750 --> 03:03:47,850
Keep in mind that there are other uses that are going to be presented on that property as well.

2017
03:03:48,290 --> 03:03:52,830
And you said the 9.30 at night was the last tee off, not when it stops.

2018
03:03:53,150 --> 03:04:00,010
Right, and so what we try to do is by 10 o'clock when the store closes, the golf is closed,

2019
03:04:00,010 --> 03:04:01,170
There's the

2020
03:04:03,830 --> 03:04:05,990
ice cream shop, I think they're in season.

2021
03:04:06,450 --> 03:04:08,970
You might stay up until 11, I mean, very different.

2022
03:04:10,800 --> 03:04:15,800
It's not going to be fun, but that's all contained

2023
03:04:15,800 --> 03:04:20,620
in four walls, right, in the middle of the place.

2024
03:04:20,660 --> 03:04:21,360
What about the restaurant?

2025
03:04:21,680 --> 03:04:22,220
What are the hours?

2026
03:04:22,580 --> 03:04:23,720
I think that's what they want to know.

2027
03:04:23,900 --> 03:04:25,540
That's the last place you haven't given us time.

2028
03:04:25,540 --> 03:04:26,580
NPM, you said.

2029
03:04:27,440 --> 03:04:27,840
No.

2030
03:04:28,820 --> 03:04:33,120
The restaurant is not going to be my operation,

2031
03:04:33,380 --> 03:04:35,120
so I think I'm going to be losing it.

2032
03:04:35,120 --> 03:04:41,440
I don't know, but I'm sure it, it, I'm sorry, is the issue with the hours of operation still

2033
03:04:41,440 --> 03:04:41,800
noise?

2034
03:04:43,360 --> 03:04:44,180
I think it's noise.

2035
03:04:44,480 --> 03:04:50,980
So if it's noise and it's inside, then I don't, but they don't have any amplification.

2036
03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:59,380
And when you, one thing with the noise, when you stop the golfing, you're turning that

2037
03:04:59,380 --> 03:05:00,600
outside music off, correct?

2038
03:05:00,980 --> 03:05:01,100
Right.

2039
03:05:02,910 --> 03:05:04,110
So the outside music is off.

2040
03:05:04,290 --> 03:05:05,030
You know, at 10 o'clock?

2041
03:05:05,270 --> 03:05:05,950
Yeah, yeah.

2042
03:05:13,470 --> 03:05:18,190
Yeah, I'd like to add the stipulation Erica, do you have any wording for us amendment to

2043
03:05:18,190 --> 03:05:20,210
the motion amendment

2044
03:05:22,700 --> 03:05:23,420
right here.

2045
03:05:40,050 --> 03:05:45,690
So the resolution presently says unamplified outdoor music and entertainment shall be limited

2046
03:05:45,690 --> 03:05:51,230
only in the outdoor dining area and only between the hours of noon and 10pm Sunday through

2047
03:05:51,230 --> 03:05:55,770
Thursday and noon and 11 p.m. Friday and Saturday. That's unamplified outdoor

2048
03:05:55,770 --> 03:06:00,390
music. And then it says amplified outdoor music shall be limited to the

2049
03:06:00,390 --> 03:06:04,150
outdoor miniature golf course recreation area between the hours of noon and

2050
03:06:04,150 --> 03:06:08,690
10 p.m. Sunday through Saturday and shall be subject to the limitations set

2051
03:06:08,690 --> 03:06:13,010
forth in the city's noise ordinance. So the only amplified music on the

2052
03:06:13,010 --> 03:06:16,090
property is going to be through the landscape speakers in the miniature

2053
03:06:16,090 --> 03:06:19,950
golf area which this resolution contains those can only be active

2054
03:06:19,950 --> 03:06:22,070
between noon and 10 p.m. Sunday through Saturday.

2055
03:06:25,740 --> 03:06:29,740
I have a question and I'm so sorry to ask this Chad.

2056
03:06:30,900 --> 03:06:38,540
If you can have unamplified music upstairs, are you talking about a guy on a guitar or

2057
03:06:38,540 --> 03:06:44,460
are you talking about a radio like for instance at Ugly Group or if you can do unamplified

2058
03:06:44,460 --> 03:06:47,780
music upstairs, can't you do unamplified?

2059
03:06:48,080 --> 03:06:51,160
It's that amplified word that's worrying everybody.

2060
03:06:51,160 --> 03:06:59,600
Can you have unamplified music downstairs coming through speakers or just because it's a speaker, it's amplified?

2061
03:07:00,180 --> 03:07:03,800
It's like Vendorsen. It's soft, musically...

2062
03:07:03,800 --> 03:07:06,740
It's that lack of definition for amplified, which is...

2063
03:07:06,740 --> 03:07:10,260
Chad can clarify with what we presently define amplified music as.

2064
03:07:10,940 --> 03:07:15,500
Amplified is currently defined as anything that pretty much amplifies a noise, so...

2065
03:07:15,500 --> 03:07:15,920
A speaker.

2066
03:07:16,140 --> 03:07:16,660
Radio.

2067
03:07:17,480 --> 03:07:22,080
Radios are exempt if they're part of a personal vehicle or things like that.

2068
03:07:22,080 --> 03:07:25,200
And that's per the statute and Supreme Court case law.

2069
03:07:25,640 --> 03:07:28,040
But if you have a gentleman on the outside

2070
03:07:28,040 --> 03:07:31,160
with his unamplified guitar, just an acoustic guitar

2071
03:07:31,160 --> 03:07:33,880
strumming his guitar, that's unamplified music.

2072
03:07:34,100 --> 03:07:37,200
And that's gonna be around the same decibels as a din

2073
03:07:37,560 --> 03:07:39,200
with people talking in a restaurant.

2074
03:07:41,440 --> 03:07:43,680
And the amplified music is anything

2075
03:07:43,680 --> 03:07:45,120
that's going to be through a speaker,

2076
03:07:45,260 --> 03:07:46,280
anything that amplifies music.

2077
03:07:46,380 --> 03:07:48,120
I think our code right now would even consider

2078
03:07:48,120 --> 03:07:50,140
as television technically amplified music

2079
03:07:50,140 --> 03:07:51,820
they could just come in through the speakers or the TV.

2080
03:07:53,740 --> 03:07:56,380
Bottom line is we need to adjust the definition.

2081
03:07:56,460 --> 03:07:58,620
Mr. Chair, how do you want to word it?

2082
03:07:59,320 --> 03:08:00,100
Amend the motion.

2083
03:08:01,460 --> 03:08:02,520
If you do it all.

2084
03:08:02,820 --> 03:08:05,280
I mean, it's the discussion of the board.

2085
03:08:05,600 --> 03:08:06,380
You don't have to.

2086
03:08:06,400 --> 03:08:09,660
I would still like to see a decibel level stipulated.

2087
03:08:10,040 --> 03:08:11,600
Well, keep in mind your decibel levels

2088
03:08:11,600 --> 03:08:15,240
are also controlled by your noise ordinance.

2089
03:08:16,860 --> 03:08:25,800
understandably but it's in my discussions with Chad today everything the residential is

2090
03:08:25,800 --> 03:08:33,240
similar to commercial and it's like 65 up 65 is the allowable decibel level during the

2091
03:08:33,240 --> 03:08:42,980
day and that could be a peak of like a dog bark that's not a sustained sound if it's

2092
03:08:42,980 --> 03:08:53,560
use the police discretion so that was deemed unconstitutional that ordinance

2093
03:08:53,560 --> 03:08:57,200
was deemed unconstitutional in the South Harbor litigation you cannot use

2094
03:08:57,200 --> 03:09:04,000
plainly audible at all you can use it but it is within a specific distance and

2095
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:09,500
if there's no discretion necessarily allowed so because that 65 obviously

2096
03:09:09,500 --> 03:09:15,260
isn't working that we're permitting over here because it ties into our sound, our

2097
03:09:15,260 --> 03:09:21,140
noise ordinance, and it's still disruptive to a lot of people. Instead of

2098
03:09:21,140 --> 03:09:25,500
continuing to go down that path with other outdoor relying solely on the

2099
03:09:25,500 --> 03:09:33,520
noise ordinance now is why it might be wise to look at what a typical decibel

2100
03:09:33,520 --> 03:09:40,440
reading is for background music, since it's going to be sustained, and maybe use that,

2101
03:09:40,600 --> 03:09:46,320
because that's starting from 9 in the morning till 10 o'clock at night every single day.

2102
03:09:47,000 --> 03:09:52,400
So it's a sustained sound. Chad, I don't know if you had time to do research on what a

2103
03:09:52,960 --> 03:09:55,000
decibel reading for a...

2104
03:09:55,580 --> 03:10:00,220
Well, keep in mind your noise ordinance says 50 decibels are permissive between

2105
03:10:00,220 --> 03:10:01,980
between the hours at 10 p.m. and 7 a.m.

2106
03:10:03,280 --> 03:10:04,860
So if it's okay when you're sleeping,

2107
03:10:05,040 --> 03:10:06,960
regardless of what, and this is not limited

2108
03:10:06,960 --> 03:10:08,840
to a specific zoning category.

2109
03:10:09,020 --> 03:10:11,060
So whether you're residential or commercial,

2110
03:10:11,660 --> 03:10:14,320
your decibel levels are limited to 50 decibels,

2111
03:10:14,420 --> 03:10:16,060
but from 10 p.m. to 7 a.m.

2112
03:10:16,680 --> 03:10:18,040
Chad and I talked earlier,

2113
03:10:18,320 --> 03:10:19,660
and you did some research, I think.

2114
03:10:19,820 --> 03:10:23,160
You said 50 dB is...

2115
03:10:23,160 --> 03:10:25,920
Yeah, looking at shopping center reports

2116
03:10:25,920 --> 03:10:27,780
about what they recommend for,

2117
03:10:27,780 --> 03:10:34,220
For example, the Benderson, those type of ambiance of how to put is they said around 50 DBA to

2118
03:10:34,220 --> 03:10:41,920
60 DBA was appropriate for that type of background music for retail and those type of users.

2119
03:10:42,280 --> 03:10:45,200
Again, that's based up just on a, quite honestly, Google search.

2120
03:10:45,420 --> 03:10:48,840
Why don't we just stick 50 in there as a stipulation because it fits their noise

2121
03:10:48,840 --> 03:10:49,220
ordinance.

2122
03:10:50,620 --> 03:10:50,740
Yeah.

2123
03:10:50,900 --> 03:10:53,040
50 would be 10 p.m. to 7 a.m.

2124
03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:56,240
You can certainly, if the commission as a whole,

2125
03:10:56,700 --> 03:10:59,680
and if Commissioner Whitmore would like to make the amendment,

2126
03:10:59,880 --> 03:11:03,800
can certainly add a stipulation that the amplified outdoor

2127
03:11:03,800 --> 03:11:06,360
music shall be limited to the outdoor miniature golf

2128
03:11:06,360 --> 03:11:08,840
course recreation area between the hours of noon and 10 PM

2129
03:11:08,840 --> 03:11:10,800
and shall not exceed 50 DBA.

2130
03:11:12,040 --> 03:11:13,420
And I'll accept what?

2131
03:11:14,700 --> 03:11:16,480
Measured per the noise ordinance.

2132
03:11:17,280 --> 03:11:18,640
Commissioner Dickinson amendment.

2133
03:11:19,660 --> 03:11:35,680
Okay, so it would be outdoor, amplified music hours of noon in 10 p.m. not to exceed 50 BBA as measured for the noise ordinance.

2134
03:11:36,040 --> 03:11:39,040
The amendment has to approve it.

2135
03:11:39,120 --> 03:11:47,120
Right, so that is the amendment that's on the table for Commissioner Whitmore. Commissioner Schaefer, your section of the code?

2136
03:11:48,080 --> 03:11:51,100
Oh, paragraph three of section four.

2137
03:11:52,380 --> 03:11:53,920
I presume you're Ward Smith.

2138
03:11:54,820 --> 03:12:00,460
Right, so that is what the proposed amendment is on the table for you.

2139
03:12:00,580 --> 03:12:01,580
That being the case, I would.

2140
03:12:01,580 --> 03:12:01,960
Yes, okay.

2141
03:12:02,180 --> 03:12:07,540
So now we have a new amended motion, a second on the amended motion,

2142
03:12:07,700 --> 03:12:09,120
any discussion on the amended motion?

2143
03:12:09,740 --> 03:12:10,180
Any discussion?

2144
03:12:11,360 --> 03:12:11,660
No here.

2145
03:12:12,800 --> 03:12:16,500
Okay, so just for clarification, the motion is to approve

2146
03:12:16,500 --> 03:12:22,240
as per the resolution with the amendment that the noise is not to exceed 50 DBA as

2147
03:12:22,240 --> 03:12:23,340
measured per the noise ordinance.

2148
03:12:24,200 --> 03:12:24,720
Okay.

2149
03:12:26,020 --> 03:12:26,240
Alright.

2150
03:12:27,040 --> 03:12:27,440
Lucy?

2151
03:12:31,180 --> 03:12:31,700
Okay.

2152
03:12:32,440 --> 03:12:33,800
Mr. Whitmore?

2153
03:12:34,400 --> 03:12:34,620
Hi.

2154
03:12:34,920 --> 03:12:35,560
Mr. Schaefer?

2155
03:12:35,800 --> 03:12:35,980
Hi.

2156
03:12:36,260 --> 03:12:36,960
Mr. Sustek?

2157
03:12:37,220 --> 03:12:37,440
Hi.

2158
03:12:37,720 --> 03:12:38,440
And Chair Diggins?

2159
03:12:38,700 --> 03:12:38,860
Hi.

2160
03:12:41,170 --> 03:12:46,530
Madam Chair, I mean sorry, Mr. Chair and Ms. Attorney, is it still correct that we

2161
03:12:46,530 --> 03:12:51,250
can't discuss this project with anybody for 30 days in case there's a challenge to it.

2162
03:12:51,610 --> 03:12:56,190
That would be my suggestion. Yeah, if there is any type of an appeal afterwards, I would

2163
03:12:56,190 --> 03:13:01,310
just refrain from discussing it, though I do not believe it will come back before you

2164
03:13:01,310 --> 03:13:04,530
even if you get challenged on appeal, but it is a good rule of thumb to do.

2165
03:13:05,010 --> 03:13:05,310
Thanks.

2166
03:13:06,470 --> 03:13:11,890
Great, thank you all. Next on the agenda is the staff report, Chad.

2167
03:13:13,330 --> 03:13:14,550
No, I think we're on 8.

2168
03:13:14,770 --> 03:13:15,290
Oh, I'm sorry.

2169
03:13:15,290 --> 03:13:20,110
8C. 8C, I'm sorry. Thank you.

2170
03:13:21,110 --> 03:13:24,590
All right, Saje's here.

2171
03:13:27,070 --> 03:13:28,830
That's why I'm

2172
03:13:33,020 --> 03:13:33,660
trying to queen myself.

2173
03:13:34,160 --> 03:13:40,240
All right, next on the agenda is MPO Project Priorities. Saje?

2174
03:13:43,440 --> 03:13:44,460
You're awake, Saje.

2175
03:13:44,460 --> 03:13:46,660
You know,

2176
03:13:58,050 --> 03:14:04,390
in such economy a public works, the 8C is the MPO project priorities item.

2177
03:14:05,730 --> 03:14:15,430
This will look very familiar to you, if you notice from the past years, this is our fourth

2178
03:14:15,430 --> 03:14:17,850
look at this list.

2179
03:14:19,090 --> 03:14:24,910
Part of the reason for doing this, as we've talked about in the past, is if we are consistent

2180
03:14:24,910 --> 03:14:29,090
and we repeat and we make sure it's on the list, then odds are better of getting them

2181
03:14:29,090 --> 03:14:29,390
funded.

2182
03:14:30,170 --> 03:14:35,550
A couple of them you will see are in forms of being funded, like the complete streets,

2183
03:14:36,930 --> 03:14:38,850
number three on the list.

2184
03:14:39,350 --> 03:14:44,310
And so it's just recommended by staff and then talking to the MPO that those things

2185
03:14:44,310 --> 03:14:45,170
are just good to repeat.

2186
03:14:45,170 --> 03:14:49,690
It's good for us just to reiterate that they're important to us to keep them on there.

2187
03:14:50,370 --> 03:14:56,330
These are consistent with the MPO's Transportation Improvement Plan and the MPO's Long Range

2188
03:14:56,330 --> 03:14:59,970
Transportation Plan, which they look long range for which things are needed.

2189
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:05,680
And they fund and put on there. The roundabouts are consistent with the Barrier Island study.

2190
03:15:05,960 --> 03:15:10,720
And so all of these are consistent with what we've done in the past. And so my recommendation

2191
03:15:10,720 --> 03:15:16,920
is to ask for them to be prioritized once again. I did get a little bit of favor from the

2192
03:15:16,920 --> 03:15:22,660
MPO staff in that every time you submit a project you have oodles and oodles of an application

2193
03:15:22,660 --> 03:15:27,940
to do. And since we've repeated it, I ask that you just repeat from the past applications

2194
03:15:27,940 --> 03:15:33,560
And they did it with the exception that they want us to update cost estimates, FGOC's latest.

2195
03:15:34,320 --> 03:15:36,240
And so, Lindsay, help me do that.

2196
03:15:38,200 --> 03:15:43,620
This is the recommendation to ask that you authorize the mayor to submit these as our priorities.

2197
03:15:44,400 --> 03:15:46,620
Mr. Chair, can I ask a question?

2198
03:15:47,060 --> 03:15:48,980
Does MPO pay for private streets?

2199
03:15:49,320 --> 03:15:51,460
We own private, the state doesn't.

2200
03:15:52,100 --> 03:15:58,440
So the MPO in coordination with the state will allow funding on off-system roadways.

2201
03:15:58,960 --> 03:16:01,120
It's just not super common.

2202
03:16:01,480 --> 03:16:04,660
Okay. I just want to make sure they may be probably already know that,

2203
03:16:04,800 --> 03:16:07,360
but previously they would never pay for it. Okay.

2204
03:16:07,840 --> 03:16:08,280
Anybody else?

2205
03:16:10,660 --> 03:16:11,940
I just have a quick question, Saje.

2206
03:16:12,360 --> 03:16:16,540
The number one replacement bridge, including bus on shoulder,

2207
03:16:16,920 --> 03:16:20,960
so are they planning on using the transit down the emergency lane when traffic dictates?

2208
03:16:20,960 --> 03:16:26,160
And that was always one of the things that they talked about was a reason for continuing

2209
03:16:26,160 --> 03:16:27,280
down that same design.

2210
03:16:27,680 --> 03:16:29,580
So this is really just kind of reiterating it.

2211
03:16:30,260 --> 03:16:32,660
This one is the one that they're talking about doing.

2212
03:16:33,020 --> 03:16:35,740
Yeah, I talked to them a couple of years ago.

2213
03:16:35,880 --> 03:16:36,040
Okay.

2214
03:16:37,160 --> 03:16:37,380
Thank you.

2215
03:16:38,160 --> 03:16:38,660
Anything else?

2216
03:16:39,280 --> 03:16:40,380
I have one question.

2217
03:16:40,720 --> 03:16:41,300
I'll do it.

2218
03:16:41,880 --> 03:16:46,380
The bridges are taking a terrible toll with all of the hauling.

2219
03:16:46,380 --> 03:16:53,060
I went across the Manatee Bridge and you can just feel the ruts in that bridge just leaving

2220
03:16:53,060 --> 03:16:55,280
now and not coming on, leaving now.

2221
03:16:55,940 --> 03:17:01,880
Are they continuing to do the study in the condition of that concrete now?

2222
03:17:02,500 --> 03:17:03,640
Are they continuing that?

2223
03:17:04,160 --> 03:17:07,300
So the FDOT's responsibility is to make sure they maintain the roadway.

2224
03:17:07,460 --> 03:17:11,440
So I don't know for a fact that they're going to do a new study, but based off

2225
03:17:11,440 --> 03:17:13,780
If you're asked, I will ask them again to keep an eye on it.

2226
03:17:13,860 --> 03:17:14,920
Because we had that.

2227
03:17:15,000 --> 03:17:18,440
I met F2T representatives out there before all this happened.

2228
03:17:18,560 --> 03:17:20,240
And even though you look at the holes in it,

2229
03:17:20,340 --> 03:17:22,100
they're fixing it with X, Y, and Z.

2230
03:17:22,600 --> 03:17:25,180
And so they know it's an issue, and we've continued to ask.

2231
03:17:25,380 --> 03:17:26,380
And so staff will continue.

2232
03:17:26,840 --> 03:17:31,040
I'm just concerned, because we have a hole.

2233
03:17:31,540 --> 03:17:31,820
Yes.

2234
03:17:31,820 --> 03:17:32,960
We don't want another hole.

2235
03:17:33,140 --> 03:17:33,340
Yes.

2236
03:17:33,600 --> 03:17:36,440
And I don't know if they're really looking.

2237
03:17:37,140 --> 03:17:39,440
So the report we got, I think we talked about this.

2238
03:17:39,440 --> 03:17:49,440
the report we got was it's structurally sound and the hole in the bridge was I'll say more travel

2239
03:17:49,440 --> 03:17:57,820
and so the bridge itself is okay from what they told us. Our comment she can add to it was well

2240
03:17:57,820 --> 03:18:02,180
if there's a hole in the bridge it doesn't really do much good for driving over you. So they took

2241
03:18:02,180 --> 03:18:06,840
that and they understood and they're going to continue to watch it but I'll remind them.

2242
03:18:08,560 --> 03:18:15,640
Mr. Chair, I called LK when the piece of the bridge fell in the bay and we've always had

2243
03:18:15,640 --> 03:18:20,900
this was always supposed to be the first bridge and then politicates and former representatives

2244
03:18:20,900 --> 03:18:26,580
of Zara City of the county took it away and he said we haven't and I can't remember the

2245
03:18:26,580 --> 03:18:30,900
terminology we haven't even done the NPDS it's not that what is it the study that

2246
03:18:30,900 --> 03:18:35,820
state has to do to start designing the bridge. I thought we did it a long time ago I guess

2247
03:18:35,820 --> 03:18:42,360
we have to start all over. Yeah, no, they've done the PD. LK said they hadn't. And that

2248
03:18:42,360 --> 03:18:48,020
was like when the bridge fell. Okay, good. They've done that in major step. It's just

2249
03:18:48,020 --> 03:18:50,940
construction funding there. Yeah, because they can't do this.

2250
03:18:52,520 --> 03:18:58,900
So Najee, on number eight, the Marina Drive. Yes sir. Key Royale, I know. I've heard from

2251
03:18:58,900 --> 03:19:04,560
many residents, Key Royale, of the consternation of that intersection at peak times. So what

2252
03:19:04,560 --> 03:19:10,200
we're applying for here is a right turning lane. There is a separation for the

2253
03:19:10,200 --> 03:19:15,260
right turn or the northbound turn there now. What would this

2254
03:19:16,220 --> 03:19:20,820
incorporate? How far back since a new home and we have limited right away? Just

2255
03:19:20,820 --> 03:19:25,020
how far can we go back with another lane? So my thought was yes to bring it as

2256
03:19:25,020 --> 03:19:28,220
far back as you can. Like you said you can kind of slip over there now but if

2257
03:19:28,220 --> 03:19:32,840
you can bring it up to that driveway it gives additional room for two cars to

2258
03:19:32,840 --> 03:19:33,920
to get in there and sneak by.

2259
03:19:33,920 --> 03:19:35,620
Just greater stacking, you're saying.

2260
03:19:37,700 --> 03:19:42,940
Is there any priority at all to increase the right turn lane

2261
03:19:42,940 --> 03:19:47,640
into Gulf Drive or Manatee Avenue when it Gulf Drive?

2262
03:19:48,640 --> 03:19:50,720
Priority for them?

2263
03:19:51,580 --> 03:19:52,920
For us, yeah.

2264
03:19:53,520 --> 03:19:55,100
I know it's a state road at that point,

2265
03:19:55,220 --> 03:19:57,080
but that's what backs things up.

2266
03:19:57,480 --> 03:20:00,380
People can't make that right turn.

2267
03:20:00,920 --> 03:20:04,920
If you and I have talked about this before, can we just ask them to extend that?

2268
03:20:04,920 --> 03:20:05,720
It's on the list.

2269
03:20:05,880 --> 03:20:06,980
We've been asking them, yes.

2270
03:20:07,420 --> 03:20:08,140
It's number two.

2271
03:20:08,320 --> 03:20:13,660
And I asked them from an operational standpoint, not just like a major project standpoint.

2272
03:20:14,480 --> 03:20:18,280
Well, they're looking at possibly doing the roundabouts.

2273
03:20:18,280 --> 03:20:23,140
I don't think they want to waste money on a temporary extension of a lane that they

2274
03:20:23,140 --> 03:20:25,620
tell me is just going to fill in.

2275
03:20:25,620 --> 03:20:30,820
They said your roads are over capacity, so adding it, it's just going to fill in.

2276
03:20:30,900 --> 03:20:31,560
Yeah, it is.

2277
03:20:31,880 --> 03:20:34,380
But it'd be easier to fill in way back.

2278
03:20:35,140 --> 03:20:37,600
This has been eight, nine years.

2279
03:20:37,820 --> 03:20:41,300
The Chief bought this up, I'd say eight years ago.

2280
03:20:42,140 --> 03:20:46,980
For eight years, the Chief has asked for that little extension.

2281
03:20:48,260 --> 03:20:48,780
My.

2282
03:20:51,010 --> 03:20:51,190
Okay.

2283
03:20:52,030 --> 03:20:54,330
That's to be come around about, isn't it, with the new bridge?

2284
03:20:55,470 --> 03:20:59,050
They're talking about. I haven't seen that plant. That's what they're talking about.

2285
03:21:00,270 --> 03:21:05,010
We also haven't had a district representative for probably that same amount of time.

2286
03:21:05,910 --> 03:21:08,390
So things are going to change. Let's hope so.

2287
03:21:10,620 --> 03:21:12,400
Okay. Any other questions, anybody?

2288
03:21:14,380 --> 03:21:15,300
Extra on the agenda?

2289
03:21:16,680 --> 03:21:17,720
Saje, don't go anywhere.

2290
03:21:18,300 --> 03:21:19,380
Oh, we have to make a...

2291
03:21:19,380 --> 03:21:19,840
You want a...

2292
03:21:19,840 --> 03:21:20,460
You need a consensus?

2293
03:21:20,740 --> 03:21:21,640
Consensus on this.

2294
03:21:21,840 --> 03:21:22,320
I'll do it.

2295
03:21:23,060 --> 03:21:23,500
Okay.

2296
03:21:23,500 --> 03:21:23,600
Okay.

2297
03:21:24,380 --> 03:21:24,760
Everybody?

2298
03:21:26,260 --> 03:21:27,140
Reach consensus?

2299
03:21:27,540 --> 03:21:27,740
Okay.

2300
03:21:27,800 --> 03:21:28,200
On the priorities?

2301
03:21:28,560 --> 03:21:28,640
Yeah.

2302
03:21:28,660 --> 03:21:29,340
Oh, you don't have to vote?

2303
03:21:30,380 --> 03:21:30,720
Thank you.

2304
03:21:30,980 --> 03:21:31,540
Thank you.

2305
03:21:31,660 --> 03:21:32,300
All right.

2306
03:21:33,240 --> 03:21:36,040
Hurricane Helene and Milton, emergency management recovery update.

2307
03:21:36,920 --> 03:21:40,260
I won't belabor this because we've talked about it quite a bit, but I wanted to hit

2308
03:21:40,260 --> 03:21:46,800
a few highlights for everyone and for anybody who may be listening that hasn't received

2309
03:21:46,800 --> 03:21:47,600
some of these updates.

2310
03:21:49,620 --> 03:21:56,460
So we have been, as you know, continued to do our cleanup, and that includes, as Mayor

2311
03:21:56,460 --> 03:22:02,620
Judy mentioned, we're at about 127,000 cubic yards of material we moved off of the roadways.

2312
03:22:02,680 --> 03:22:06,300
That doesn't include hauling them out of our city, that's just getting them off of our

2313
03:22:06,300 --> 03:22:06,680
roadways.

2314
03:22:07,620 --> 03:22:11,280
And so, you know, I think I mentioned this before, one of the things that I like to

2315
03:22:11,280 --> 03:22:15,960
do is relate it to something that makes sense, that's just about 24 football fields

2316
03:22:15,960 --> 03:22:17,440
if you pile them three feet deep.

2317
03:22:17,920 --> 03:22:19,840
About 24 football fields of material

2318
03:22:19,840 --> 03:22:20,960
we've moved off the road.

2319
03:22:21,360 --> 03:22:23,320
We've even done a bonus round, so to speak.

2320
03:22:24,740 --> 03:22:27,140
The grinder that's supposed to take all the vegetation

2321
03:22:27,140 --> 03:22:29,980
and make it smaller so it can get hauled off of city field

2322
03:22:29,980 --> 03:22:31,120
has been delayed.

2323
03:22:31,480 --> 03:22:32,660
It's still supposed to get here this week.

2324
03:22:33,160 --> 03:22:35,800
But because it was delayed, I said, well, why are you here?

2325
03:22:35,960 --> 03:22:37,840
Can you go around and get some more vegetation?

2326
03:22:38,020 --> 03:22:38,980
Because it's still coming out.

2327
03:22:39,920 --> 03:22:42,400
So we did a bonus round, so to speak, for that.

2328
03:22:42,400 --> 03:22:45,420
And so we've moved a lot, a lot, a lot of material.

2329
03:22:46,140 --> 03:22:49,580
So that is anticipated to start grinding this week

2330
03:22:49,580 --> 03:22:52,540
and then we'll get hauled off of the island after that.

2331
03:22:53,340 --> 03:22:57,580
We have a little bit longer than the original extension date

2332
03:22:57,580 --> 03:23:01,440
was July 11, I mean January 11 to be fully reimbursable.

2333
03:23:01,760 --> 03:23:03,160
So it has been extended,

2334
03:23:03,540 --> 03:23:06,840
but their goal is still to have it off of city field

2335
03:23:06,840 --> 03:23:08,120
by January 11.

2336
03:23:08,400 --> 03:23:10,840
So we are still on target for that.

2337
03:23:13,480 --> 03:23:18,320
This includes all of this in the middle of doing some other projects as well.

2338
03:23:18,480 --> 03:23:20,540
We have continued on our storm projects.

2339
03:23:20,720 --> 03:23:23,180
We've continued on a seaside guards boat ramp.

2340
03:23:23,400 --> 03:23:25,300
But you've hopefully seen that kind of under construction.

2341
03:23:25,480 --> 03:23:26,080
And that's going well.

2342
03:23:26,380 --> 03:23:30,660
So your public work staff have been busy trying to get all of this stuff moving and going.

2343
03:23:31,140 --> 03:23:32,700
But just a couple other highlights.

2344
03:23:33,280 --> 03:23:36,020
So things that we did was we're moving the debris.

2345
03:23:36,640 --> 03:23:39,620
We did a lot of traffic signal repairs.

2346
03:23:39,620 --> 03:23:44,940
We got FDOT to help us with those and they're going to do some more, but we as staff did some and then we had some

2347
03:23:45,700 --> 03:23:48,940
Contractor help to do that as well and include cleaning

2348
03:23:50,020 --> 03:23:54,800
All of the pipes throughout the city and so we've got all those done and are working on

2349
03:23:54,800 --> 03:23:58,980
Because the extension for the time frame for the storms came out

2350
03:23:58,980 --> 03:24:03,300
I'm gonna see if I can't get the back truck back out since our rains

2351
03:24:03,300 --> 03:24:07,180
We've had a few more things fill in with some random sand and that kind of stuff

2352
03:24:07,180 --> 03:24:09,220
And so I'm going to try and get them to come back.

2353
03:24:09,960 --> 03:24:12,200
And then your staff, our staff has also

2354
03:24:12,200 --> 03:24:14,780
been busy on just cleaning up the small bits of sand

2355
03:24:15,220 --> 03:24:17,100
that the contractor couldn't get wouldn't get

2356
03:24:17,100 --> 03:24:18,500
because it was just too much.

2357
03:24:18,780 --> 03:24:21,340
They were getting paid by the giant truckload

2358
03:24:21,340 --> 03:24:23,620
so they didn't want to get stopped with a shovel

2359
03:24:23,620 --> 03:24:24,840
and fill up every little.

2360
03:24:25,260 --> 03:24:26,760
So your staff has been doing that

2361
03:24:26,760 --> 03:24:28,400
and we've had day laborers help with that.

2362
03:24:28,720 --> 03:24:30,620
So those are things that we were doing as well.

2363
03:24:31,460 --> 03:24:34,180
We started doing some tide valve inspections

2364
03:24:34,180 --> 03:24:36,740
just this week and have found some

2365
03:24:36,740 --> 03:24:41,700
that are just missing. Storm-related, pushed them through, tore them out, whatever, and

2366
03:24:41,700 --> 03:24:46,480
so those will go on the FEMA ass list to get requests to purchase and get reimbursed for

2367
03:24:46,480 --> 03:24:53,720
them. Sand cleanup I mentioned, because of some of the timing for our debris hauler

2368
03:24:53,720 --> 03:24:58,960
and with them needing to move on and up against the holidays, they had some staff

2369
03:24:58,960 --> 03:25:05,340
leave for doing the sand pickup. So we placarded in our own staff, our own dump

2370
03:25:05,340 --> 03:25:10,460
truck, plackered them in, and took our own, we took 12 loads ourselves, city staff did,

2371
03:25:10,560 --> 03:25:15,380
down to Kokina. So your staff has been, you know, doing a Yeoman's effort, taking care

2372
03:25:15,380 --> 03:25:20,060
of and cleaning things up. So those are kind of some highlights of what we did. Some things

2373
03:25:20,060 --> 03:25:24,220
we still have to do. We're going to continue with our street sweepers. We have our sweet

2374
03:25:24,220 --> 03:25:31,160
sweeper. Because we're still under this period of emergency, we can also hire our

2375
03:25:31,880 --> 03:25:37,660
So we'll continue to do that so we can keep the roads clean because even though the big

2376
03:25:37,660 --> 03:25:40,800
stuff is gone, the little stuff still blows in, you get a little bit of rain, you get

2377
03:25:40,800 --> 03:25:42,760
a little bit of wind, the road's kind of filled with sand.

2378
03:25:43,100 --> 03:25:44,300
So we're still taking care of that.

2379
03:25:44,780 --> 03:25:50,040
We've got 14 different places, some larger, some smaller of roads that need to be repaired.

2380
03:25:50,600 --> 03:25:52,300
Thank you for approving contracts.

2381
03:25:53,060 --> 03:25:56,340
I guess it was last meeting, so we've started that underway as well.

2382
03:25:57,200 --> 03:26:00,380
Sidewalk work that needs to be done, we've got about three different, four different

2383
03:26:00,380 --> 03:26:06,240
segments of those. We have our RFBs that we need to repair. There's about seven, eight

2384
03:26:06,240 --> 03:26:10,240
different segments of ditches that we need to reestablish that we're going to be working

2385
03:26:10,240 --> 03:26:16,360
on with those. Then so far, I've got 10 different FPL polls that we've counted that FPL needs

2386
03:26:16,360 --> 03:26:22,160
to come get. So we're tracking them as well. Then I think my list is to, I think we

2387
03:26:22,160 --> 03:26:27,080
have about 15 different claims that we've submitted just for facilities. Our building,

2388
03:26:27,080 --> 03:26:33,040
building, garage, fences, that sort of thing. So your staff is busy working on those for

2389
03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:39,960
cleanup-wise. As far as, you know, some of our process and that kind of thing, last week

2390
03:26:39,960 --> 03:26:46,920
staff got together and did kind of an after-action conversation about what things did we do well,

2391
03:26:47,000 --> 03:26:51,960
what things could we do better on. The list ranged from a little bit more training.

2392
03:26:51,960 --> 03:26:56,620
training is always good, how we ordered stuff, staggering staff hours a little bit to cover,

2393
03:26:57,860 --> 03:27:02,880
and then chief even brought up the changing language a little bit, you know. The word

2394
03:27:02,880 --> 03:27:07,220
check point maybe is a little bit better than curfew. So, you know, it's big things down

2395
03:27:07,220 --> 03:27:12,300
to small things. One of the language-wise something that I discovered is if you use

2396
03:27:12,300 --> 03:27:17,260
the word, this has been arranged when you submit something to the EOC and you've

2397
03:27:17,260 --> 03:27:21,200
already got it all set up, then, you know, they send the folks you want. We talked

2398
03:27:21,200 --> 03:27:25,640
about succession planning a little bit. One thing that we got together on, it was talked

2399
03:27:25,640 --> 03:27:29,520
about 800 megahertz radio, so we ordered some of those. So, Public Works is going to have

2400
03:27:29,520 --> 03:27:34,620
those that we can communicate with still towers go down and that kind of thing. Most importantly

2401
03:27:34,620 --> 03:27:39,280
for me, I should have listened to Maureen when she said, make sure you have all of

2402
03:27:39,280 --> 03:27:43,560
the supplies you need. And she said, I even put instant coffee in my bug out box.

2403
03:27:44,080 --> 03:27:48,080
I did not. And it took a little bit to get our generator up and going. I really

2404
03:27:48,080 --> 03:27:53,720
wish I had some instant coffee. So that was on my list. So we covered the gamut. Small

2405
03:27:53,720 --> 03:27:56,800
stuff, the big stuff, you know, things like that. We talked about office hours a little

2406
03:27:56,800 --> 03:28:01,400
bit and communicating that flow of information. One of the chief guys talked about the auto

2407
03:28:01,400 --> 03:28:04,940
attendant that they use for phones. So we talked about how can we use that. So we

2408
03:28:04,940 --> 03:28:08,860
had a good conversation on things that we can work on for, you know, improving.

2409
03:28:10,460 --> 03:28:16,220
And we don't have to do this again is my goal. That kind of concludes my report.

2410
03:28:16,220 --> 03:28:19,280
I don't know if others had things that they wanted to add as well, but that was mine.

2411
03:28:21,100 --> 03:28:21,920
Questions, comments?

2412
03:28:22,600 --> 03:28:26,220
Just to thank you, a big thank you. I don't know how you're still breathing.

2413
03:28:27,200 --> 03:28:30,460
I had a lot of help. You saw my guys, right? You know, we had a lot of help.

2414
03:28:31,680 --> 03:28:32,660
Yeah, that's true.

2415
03:28:32,940 --> 03:28:33,760
Might have got a little bigger.

2416
03:28:36,540 --> 03:28:41,460
And I really, this whole city really appreciates what you all are doing.

2417
03:28:42,260 --> 03:28:43,580
They talk about it.

2418
03:28:43,780 --> 03:28:44,240
Great job.

2419
03:28:47,340 --> 03:28:54,820
Thank you, Sajee. Anything else, anybody on that? We'll go right into the next item.

2420
03:28:55,680 --> 03:28:58,160
Actually, in agreement, would you explain this with C squared?

2421
03:28:59,900 --> 03:29:10,440
Certainly. If I may, similar to what we talked about for the road stuff, can I talk about 8E and 8F kind of together, and then we can go through them one at a time.

2422
03:29:10,440 --> 03:29:19,420
so we came across similar to the road repairs contract that if we can put

2423
03:29:19,420 --> 03:29:23,240
together what I'm kind of calling continuing services contract and then

2424
03:29:23,240 --> 03:29:26,740
we have folks that are ready that we can pull the trigger on and say hey this

2425
03:29:26,740 --> 03:29:31,960
fits you or this fits you or this is timing better or cost is better can we

2426
03:29:31,960 --> 03:29:35,840
do those things and so we worked with Erica on putting language together and

2427
03:29:35,840 --> 03:29:38,740
So we, you know, full procurement, fully advertised,

2428
03:29:39,200 --> 03:29:41,940
what I've kind of called continuing services contracts,

2429
03:29:42,640 --> 03:29:45,200
and had two months of bidders.

2430
03:29:45,580 --> 03:29:47,260
One is C squared, one is digging deep.

2431
03:29:47,780 --> 03:29:50,900
And the idea of these is kind of all things stormwater.

2432
03:29:51,180 --> 03:29:54,160
So maybe a little bit of maintaining

2433
03:29:54,160 --> 03:29:56,460
and keeping track of our infiltration projects

2434
03:29:56,460 --> 03:29:57,080
that we've had.

2435
03:29:58,060 --> 03:29:59,800
But largely is gonna be,

2436
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:07,280
Maintaining and taking care of, as you all know, and I've arped on before, is our 70 plus years old infrastructure.

2437
03:30:07,780 --> 03:30:15,600
You know, we've got a lot of asbestos pipe out there, really fine in the ground, works fine as long as you don't look at it funny.

2438
03:30:16,100 --> 03:30:22,820
But if you get too close to it, or you even lift a piece of asphalt that's nearby it, it can crack and fail.

2439
03:30:23,040 --> 03:30:25,400
And so we need to spend some time doing those.

2440
03:30:25,400 --> 03:30:31,500
As you recall last year we spent about $2 million in ARPA funds to repair our

2441
03:30:31,500 --> 03:30:37,340
stormwater projects throughout the city. My estimate is that was hopefully a

2442
03:30:37,340 --> 03:30:41,220
little better than half but probably half of the stormwater infrastructure that

2443
03:30:41,220 --> 03:30:45,200
we needed to do and so we still got about half of that that we have to do

2444
03:30:45,200 --> 03:30:49,820
going forward and so these contracts will help us do those and we will be

2445
03:30:49,820 --> 03:30:55,120
able to take care of those with these contracts whether we use grant funding

2446
03:30:55,120 --> 03:31:00,540
But I'll be back to talk about at some point in the future because we have some options with the storms that came

2447
03:31:00,540 --> 03:31:06,560
They were painful, but they also open up potential funding. So whether it's mitigation funds or

2448
03:31:07,100 --> 03:31:11,400
Grants for because of the storms or whether it's the resilient floater that we got a couple of grants for

2449
03:31:11,400 --> 03:31:16,760
It has a bunch of grants out there. And then of course we have our stormwater assessment funds

2450
03:31:16,760 --> 03:31:22,240
So what we probably will do we'll use the funds to help be the matching for grants

2451
03:31:22,240 --> 03:31:26,380
We may use some of the grants to be matching for the grants, but so all of this I'll bring

2452
03:31:26,380 --> 03:31:32,740
to you at some point in the future, but depending on how big those projects are, I can use these

2453
03:31:32,740 --> 03:31:36,220
contracts to do that work because we've already lined it up.

2454
03:31:36,320 --> 03:31:37,260
We've already advertised it.

2455
03:31:37,280 --> 03:31:38,060
We already set it up.

2456
03:31:38,740 --> 03:31:43,620
If the budget is approved, then we can use that funding for the budget going forward

2457
03:31:43,620 --> 03:31:47,980
and then I will bring them to you as we get to depending on size and or dollar

2458
03:31:47,980 --> 03:31:52,820
and then we'll address them work order by work order task by task and so the

2459
03:31:52,820 --> 03:31:56,860
purpose of this is to be able to do that for those that fit that if we'll get a

2460
03:31:56,860 --> 03:32:01,300
significant project like the Wolf Drive project we're talking about Homes

2461
03:32:01,300 --> 03:32:06,300
Boulevard you know all the way up to Marina Palm that's probably something

2462
03:32:06,300 --> 03:32:10,040
that should be bid out on its own and then we'll do that but the the

2463
03:32:10,040 --> 03:32:14,560
smaller projects that we can do one at a time we'll use these contracts

2464
03:32:14,560 --> 03:32:19,860
for such as don't we have about 850 and this year's budget from the

2465
03:32:19,860 --> 03:32:25,220
Starmore yes sir yes sir and revenue is about 850 further have we allocated any

2466
03:32:25,220 --> 03:32:29,580
of that to any other projects up to now or do we have that as of right now no

2467
03:32:29,580 --> 03:32:35,080
okay so you're intent if I hear you right is we have those funds to work

2468
03:32:35,080 --> 03:32:39,180
with we're not going to commit until we have other grant funds for additional

2469
03:32:39,180 --> 03:32:45,420
projects beyond that. So yes and no for our budget we did have some projects in

2470
03:32:45,420 --> 03:32:49,320
mind as we laid them out whether it was operation funds whether it was back truck

2471
03:32:49,320 --> 03:32:53,620
operations some of that was stormwater assessment and then we did have some

2472
03:32:53,620 --> 03:32:58,700
planned projects on our lists that you would authorize in the budget for us to

2473
03:32:58,700 --> 03:33:04,360
do some of those but currently we have not tapped into those and so those can

2474
03:33:04,360 --> 03:33:07,580
be used for grants and we have not tapped into all of it so even if we do

2475
03:33:07,580 --> 03:33:09,120
some of it, we can use some of that.

2476
03:33:11,680 --> 03:33:14,660
So both these contracts are the same except

2477
03:33:14,660 --> 03:33:21,820
for the name. Three year contracts, one year additional up to five times in your packet.

2478
03:33:22,060 --> 03:33:28,000
I think we had a list of, you know, unit costs for each of them, but in some ways it doesn't

2479
03:33:28,000 --> 03:33:33,060
matter because it's going to be the total. And I think we've asked about this in previous

2480
03:33:33,060 --> 03:33:38,220
commission. Do you really want, I think this is like 80 pages. So do you really want to

2481
03:33:38,220 --> 03:33:43,540
see all those? And you all had said, no, not really. But if you want them, we can get them

2482
03:33:43,540 --> 03:33:48,580
to you. But in some ways it doesn't matter what the unit costs are because we'll present

2483
03:33:48,580 --> 03:33:53,260
to you the project and what the cost of the project is. So each contractor has their

2484
03:33:53,260 --> 03:33:58,740
own unit costs and kind of depending on which one of the thing we need them to

2485
03:33:58,740 --> 03:34:01,820
do is higher than another. It depends on which one is going to have a better cost

2486
03:34:01,820 --> 03:34:04,260
and then scheduling and timing as well.

2487
03:34:05,680 --> 03:34:07,060
How many of you have listed?

2488
03:34:07,260 --> 03:34:10,020
Do they have a do not exceed amount on your budgets?

2489
03:34:10,680 --> 03:34:13,420
Because I was looking to see on all of them,

2490
03:34:13,420 --> 03:34:15,740
couldn't find it, you don't have that, but okay.

2491
03:34:16,360 --> 03:34:19,160
No, because the do not exceed is gonna be our budget

2492
03:34:19,160 --> 03:34:22,980
and these individual, you aren't authorizing money

2493
03:34:22,980 --> 03:34:24,880
at this point, you're just authorizing the contract.

2494
03:34:25,620 --> 03:34:28,260
Can I make a motion that number eight,

2495
03:34:28,760 --> 03:34:30,860
E, authorize the mayor to execute agreement

2496
03:34:30,860 --> 03:34:34,280
between the City of Homes Beach and C-Squared General Contractor.

2497
03:34:37,090 --> 03:34:37,670
Motion second.

2498
03:34:38,170 --> 03:34:38,690
Wait a second.

2499
03:34:39,070 --> 03:34:39,250
Second.

2500
03:34:41,750 --> 03:34:43,090
Any discussion at all?

2501
03:34:44,130 --> 03:34:44,470
Not here.

2502
03:34:44,990 --> 03:34:45,130
Not here.

2503
03:34:46,890 --> 03:34:47,910
Mr. Whitmore?

2504
03:34:48,910 --> 03:34:49,450
Mr. Schaefer?

2505
03:34:49,610 --> 03:34:49,770
Aye.

2506
03:34:50,050 --> 03:34:50,690
Mr. Seustat?

2507
03:34:50,870 --> 03:34:51,090
Aye.

2508
03:34:51,270 --> 03:34:51,630
Chair?

2509
03:34:52,290 --> 03:34:52,450
Aye.

2510
03:34:53,510 --> 03:34:53,770
All right.

2511
03:34:54,050 --> 03:34:54,330
Should

2512
03:34:57,720 --> 03:34:58,780
we do the second one?

2513
03:34:58,880 --> 03:34:59,700
You said it's the same.

2514
03:35:00,180 --> 03:35:00,280
Okay.

2515
03:35:00,620 --> 03:35:03,680
Authorize the Mayor to execute agreement between the City of Homes Beach and digging

2516
03:35:03,680 --> 03:35:05,520
deep construction services LLC.

2517
03:35:07,200 --> 03:35:07,680
Second.

2518
03:35:07,680 --> 03:35:09,420
Any discussion?

2519
03:35:12,020 --> 03:35:12,420
May I see?

2520
03:35:14,120 --> 03:35:14,960
Mr. Whitmore?

2521
03:35:15,400 --> 03:35:15,620
Hi.

2522
03:35:15,820 --> 03:35:16,600
Commissioner Schaefer?

2523
03:35:16,800 --> 03:35:16,940
Hi.

2524
03:35:17,160 --> 03:35:17,800
Commissioner Sustin?

2525
03:35:17,920 --> 03:35:18,080
Hi.

2526
03:35:18,340 --> 03:35:18,980
Chair Dickens?

2527
03:35:19,200 --> 03:35:19,400
Hi.

2528
03:35:20,580 --> 03:35:20,880
All right.

2529
03:35:21,580 --> 03:35:23,840
The next agenda item is the chief.

2530
03:35:23,880 --> 03:35:24,740
He has one more.

2531
03:35:24,840 --> 03:35:24,960
Oh.

2532
03:35:25,260 --> 03:35:25,740
I'm sorry, Chair.

2533
03:35:26,360 --> 03:35:32,140
If I could beg your indulgence for related to the one we just authorized the mayor to

2534
03:35:32,140 --> 03:35:32,460
sign.

2535
03:35:33,020 --> 03:35:36,200
I have the first task worker that I'd like consensus on.

2536
03:35:36,720 --> 03:35:38,780
We had a chance to pass that out.

2537
03:35:39,120 --> 03:35:39,580
I'm sorry.

2538
03:35:40,060 --> 03:35:40,380
I have that.

2539
03:35:40,620 --> 03:35:40,820
I'm sorry.

2540
03:35:42,860 --> 03:35:49,240
Digging deep company, and well we asked them both to give us a quote on putting a swale

2541
03:35:49,240 --> 03:35:52,780
back along between 70 and 71st.

2542
03:36:01,920 --> 03:36:03,780
We did them separately.

2543
03:36:04,780 --> 03:36:06,100
Because they're on the agenda separately.

2544
03:36:07,200 --> 03:36:09,220
My stuff is boring, but...

2545
03:36:09,220 --> 03:36:10,980
I'm trying to move it around, Erica.

2546
03:36:12,000 --> 03:36:13,260
That's my first score.

2547
03:36:18,780 --> 03:36:21,760
You weren't even listening to me. I won't take it personally.

2548
03:36:22,900 --> 03:36:25,080
Thank you for doing swells.

2549
03:36:25,420 --> 03:36:35,320
So this particular one, it's a swell on Marina between 70 and 71 that is on every books we found.

2550
03:36:35,320 --> 03:36:42,840
The old banks engineering plan showed it, the last master plan that LTA did, it was

2551
03:36:42,840 --> 03:36:48,220
on it and I don't know what happened to it between those times, but it is no longer there.

2552
03:36:48,680 --> 03:36:53,760
So we've had a few complaints from the neighbors and this fits exactly with Mayor Judy's direction

2553
03:36:53,760 --> 03:36:55,540
that put swales in where they make sense.

2554
03:36:56,020 --> 03:37:00,860
I think this fits both of the water quality component by putting in a swale and the

2555
03:37:00,860 --> 03:37:03,720
water quantity component of getting the water off the road.

2556
03:37:03,720 --> 03:37:07,620
and so we asked both of these contractors to give us a quote to do this.

2557
03:37:08,260 --> 03:37:13,600
I don't know that I need a full vote because as we mentioned, the budget's approved

2558
03:37:13,600 --> 03:37:18,040
and the item fits with what you have predicted us to or asked us to do already,

2559
03:37:18,440 --> 03:37:24,740
but a consensus would be appreciated and we will ask the digging deep folks to get started on it.

2560
03:37:24,840 --> 03:37:25,360
So consensus?

2561
03:37:25,720 --> 03:37:25,960
It should be.

2562
03:37:26,460 --> 03:37:30,160
So this is a swale, not in addition to the filtration.

2563
03:37:30,760 --> 03:37:31,520
Correct. Just a swale.

2564
03:37:31,520 --> 03:37:36,380
This is important to continue the routing of the drainage, and for some reason it's just

2565
03:37:36,380 --> 03:37:38,180
not there, and it's supposed to be there.

2566
03:37:39,040 --> 03:37:40,640
We have no idea.

2567
03:37:41,060 --> 03:37:42,640
You can even look at it on Google Maps.

2568
03:37:43,000 --> 03:37:43,800
But we're corrected.

2569
03:37:44,280 --> 03:37:44,960
All right.

2570
03:37:46,540 --> 03:37:48,380
So you don't need any action.

2571
03:37:49,700 --> 03:37:50,300
It's a consensus.

2572
03:37:51,400 --> 03:37:53,300
So it's a total of 30,000?

2573
03:37:53,620 --> 03:37:53,800
Yes.

2574
03:37:55,220 --> 03:37:57,700
Swills are much cheaper than the old Asian system.

2575
03:37:57,700 --> 03:38:04,480
So I'd ask for a consensus of it and easier to pay your time.

2576
03:38:04,480 --> 03:38:06,960
The property owners will be very happy.

2577
03:38:08,780 --> 03:38:09,980
Thank you, Sajer.

2578
03:38:10,820 --> 03:38:12,400
Catch your breath.

2579
03:38:13,860 --> 03:38:13,880
No.

2580
03:38:14,860 --> 03:38:23,720
HG authorized the mayor to execute an interlocal agreement regarding law enforcement services for Manatee Public Beach between Manatee County and the city.

2581
03:38:25,620 --> 03:38:32,700
This is that in our local agreement that we continue to try to get more funding and we

2582
03:38:32,700 --> 03:38:36,500
all knew the last four years there was no soup for home speech.

2583
03:38:37,660 --> 03:38:43,620
So because of the timing, this was already proved with the last board, but we will be

2584
03:38:43,620 --> 03:38:45,300
addressing this with the new board.

2585
03:38:45,460 --> 03:38:50,200
So hopefully your interlocust agreement that you'll have in front of you next year will

2586
03:38:51,420 --> 03:38:58,060
Because right now the same amount every year, it's basically defunding police, you know.

2587
03:38:58,240 --> 03:39:00,720
So they continue to make more money.

2588
03:39:01,200 --> 03:39:01,900
They try to go up.

2589
03:39:02,200 --> 03:39:03,400
So it's basically defunding.

2590
03:39:03,640 --> 03:39:06,420
They understand that, but the old board didn't really.

2591
03:39:08,280 --> 03:39:12,580
Mayor, there's a way around that after we vote for this, because we have to, because it's our budget.

2592
03:39:12,580 --> 03:39:20,600
it. You could write a letter to the county and sign it and we could vote on it that we

2593
03:39:20,600 --> 03:39:27,600
ask for maybe 10 or 15,000 more out of their reserve fund. They have reserves that are

2594
03:39:27,600 --> 03:39:31,540
unfunded for commissioners only. They have a million dollars in it and they can use

2595
03:39:31,540 --> 03:39:36,220
it discretionary. So that may be a way we could try to get more money this year.

2596
03:39:39,040 --> 03:39:40,840
We've been that ever since.

2597
03:39:40,980 --> 03:39:43,580
The last time ASG, if it was over 100,000.

2598
03:39:43,820 --> 03:39:47,040
Yeah, we average for man hours at the public beach.

2599
03:39:47,320 --> 03:39:51,240
We average between 120,000 and 160,000,

2600
03:39:51,340 --> 03:39:54,140
depending on the year of man hours.

2601
03:39:55,140 --> 03:39:55,460
Time.

2602
03:39:56,060 --> 03:39:56,920
Time for time.

2603
03:39:56,980 --> 03:39:58,000
Even a third of our costs.

2604
03:39:58,000 --> 03:39:59,380
But we're going to move forward.

2605
03:39:59,740 --> 03:40:02,680
Perhaps the county court of county commissioners

2606
03:40:02,680 --> 03:40:03,300
might be more available.

2607
03:40:03,300 --> 03:40:05,260
I think they give us some money, truthfully.

2608
03:40:07,820 --> 03:40:12,700
I move to authorize the mayor to execute their local agreement regarding law enforcement services

2609
03:40:12,700 --> 03:40:16,420
for Manatee Public Beach between Manatee County and the City of Homespeech.

2610
03:40:17,240 --> 03:40:17,820
Second.

2611
03:40:18,720 --> 03:40:19,280
Cal second.

2612
03:40:20,400 --> 03:40:21,300
Any discussion?

2613
03:40:23,800 --> 03:40:26,040
Mr. Whitmore.

2614
03:40:27,040 --> 03:40:28,800
Mr. Schaefer.

2615
03:40:28,980 --> 03:40:29,160
Hi.

2616
03:40:29,480 --> 03:40:30,040
Chair Diggins.

2617
03:40:30,300 --> 03:40:30,480
Hi.

2618
03:40:32,100 --> 03:40:35,060
All right, the next item on the agenda is the first reading of Ordinance

2619
03:40:37,480 --> 03:40:39,180
Who's going to do it, Chad?

2620
03:40:40,440 --> 03:40:41,980
I can read it into the record.

2621
03:40:42,800 --> 03:40:47,300
Ordnance 2501 and ordinance of the City of Holmes Beach, Florida amending article 9,

2622
03:40:47,540 --> 03:40:51,020
Flip Plain Ordnance Division 10, specific definitions of the City's

2623
03:40:51,020 --> 03:40:54,840
Land Development Code to revise the definition of substantial improvement by removing the

2624
03:40:54,840 --> 03:40:59,020
one-year time requirement, providing for severability and providing for

2625
03:40:59,020 --> 03:41:02,920
an effective date. Our building official, Neil Swartz,

2626
03:41:02,920 --> 03:41:07,600
here as well. What this ordinance is proposing is rescinding the one-year

2627
03:41:07,600 --> 03:41:10,700
look-back period relative to the accumulation of costs regarding

2628
03:41:10,700 --> 03:41:14,680
substantial improvements and we feel is in the best interest of the health

2629
03:41:14,680 --> 03:41:18,120
safety and welfare of the public to adopt this ordinance in its city's

2630
03:41:18,120 --> 03:41:24,320
continued recovery and cooperation with the NFIP. Again, where staff is

2631
03:41:24,320 --> 03:41:28,280
here to answer any questions that you may have, but as you can see by the

2632
03:41:28,280 --> 03:41:34,780
The ordinance, fairly simple text change to substantial improvement, again, rescinding

2633
03:41:34,780 --> 03:41:35,980
the one-year look-back period.

2634
03:41:38,530 --> 03:41:39,370
50-50?

2635
03:41:39,770 --> 03:41:41,570
Is this addressing that 50-50?

2636
03:41:42,690 --> 03:41:45,310
And have you, and we waive that?

2637
03:41:46,170 --> 03:41:47,050
Yes, we can.

2638
03:41:47,530 --> 03:41:48,710
We've always been able to do that.

2639
03:41:48,710 --> 03:41:49,310
The 50-50.

2640
03:41:52,850 --> 03:41:55,350
When does it come into effect?

2641
03:41:55,350 --> 03:42:02,610
would it affect previous people who are in this situation now? I mean the timeline.

2642
03:42:03,530 --> 03:42:07,910
So as we have passed, if we pass this on a second reading, it's going to move immediately.

2643
03:42:08,590 --> 03:42:15,930
The idea of this was that we've had in this year period, or look back period, we've had

2644
03:42:15,930 --> 03:42:23,190
several, if not more than several homes that have been remodeled up until the 49% or under

2645
03:42:23,190 --> 03:42:26,910
in the 50% rule, based on the damage that they received,

2646
03:42:27,450 --> 03:42:29,410
based on this one year look back,

2647
03:42:29,970 --> 03:42:32,870
they would have to wait one complete year

2648
03:42:33,190 --> 03:42:35,770
from the completion, and the problem is,

2649
03:42:35,770 --> 03:42:37,490
some of these weren't even completed yet.

2650
03:42:38,070 --> 03:42:41,050
So their cop between a rock and a hard place.

2651
03:42:41,550 --> 03:42:45,970
So they just have to sit there for a year to start over.

2652
03:42:46,330 --> 03:42:47,370
I didn't think that was fair.

2653
03:42:47,910 --> 03:42:49,790
So I did do my due diligence.

2654
03:42:50,510 --> 03:42:59,110
We have a third party that we rely on, named she is the state flood manager coordinator for municipalities.

2655
03:43:00,050 --> 03:43:03,970
I had a conversation with her and explained to her what I wanted to do.

2656
03:43:04,370 --> 03:43:09,310
She kind of chuckled, she says, you and about 30 other municipalities so far are doing this.

2657
03:43:09,730 --> 03:43:15,270
One of the things that I did learn is the CRS reading isn't affected by this.

2658
03:43:15,270 --> 03:43:22,030
The only way that we would get CRS credit is if we had a five-year loopback.

2659
03:43:22,690 --> 03:43:24,950
So what have we accomplished now?

2660
03:43:25,170 --> 03:43:27,530
Of course, this wasn't done by myself.

2661
03:43:27,710 --> 03:43:30,630
This was done to the previous building official,

2662
03:43:30,770 --> 03:43:34,590
and maybe at that point he thought he was doing something

2663
03:43:34,590 --> 03:43:36,210
or was better meant for the municipality.

2664
03:43:36,990 --> 03:43:39,550
But at this particular time, nobody thought,

2665
03:43:39,790 --> 03:43:44,350
hey, we'd have a storm, and that would affect the livelihoods

2666
03:43:44,350 --> 03:43:46,550
of many citizens within the islands.

2667
03:43:46,990 --> 03:43:48,850
So this is what we decided to do.

2668
03:43:49,090 --> 03:43:51,350
Yeah, Neil, you're a genius.

2669
03:43:52,390 --> 03:43:55,750
Because I mean, a lot of people are really sweating that.

2670
03:43:56,090 --> 03:43:58,090
And they were going to do the right thing

2671
03:43:58,770 --> 03:44:01,190
and try to stop what they were doing

2672
03:44:01,190 --> 03:44:03,330
and just hold off your genius.

2673
03:44:03,830 --> 03:44:04,290
Thank you.

2674
03:44:04,410 --> 03:44:07,090
Because, I mean, your expertise on FEMA,

2675
03:44:07,330 --> 03:44:09,030
I figured when I saw this thing,

2676
03:44:09,170 --> 03:44:11,730
I said, his expertise on FEMA is coming forward.

2677
03:44:12,930 --> 03:44:18,850
So you have really altered some lives with this decision very much.

2678
03:44:18,850 --> 03:44:21,090
Like everybody knows my house was affected too.

2679
03:44:21,410 --> 03:44:21,750
Oh well.

2680
03:44:21,810 --> 03:44:25,830
I feel for everybody, the mayor, myself, others.

2681
03:44:26,230 --> 03:44:28,930
We don't have homes, so this is important.

2682
03:44:29,270 --> 03:44:29,430
I know.

2683
03:44:29,630 --> 03:44:30,350
We're going to have a party.

2684
03:44:30,750 --> 03:44:31,450
Oh, you too.

2685
03:44:31,630 --> 03:44:32,150
What am I saying?

2686
03:44:32,410 --> 03:44:33,070
Of course, yeah.

2687
03:44:33,290 --> 03:44:34,510
I'm in my house as of yesterday.

2688
03:44:34,910 --> 03:44:35,490
Yeah, there you go.

2689
03:44:35,570 --> 03:44:35,990
Congratulations.

2690
03:44:36,850 --> 03:44:37,870
The full house, yeah.

2691
03:44:38,390 --> 03:44:40,390
Is there any other questions for the commissioners?

2692
03:44:41,410 --> 03:44:44,090
No. Thank you for doing this, Neil.

2693
03:44:44,370 --> 03:44:44,850
Thank you.

2694
03:44:45,170 --> 03:44:46,530
It seems obvious.

2695
03:44:48,450 --> 03:44:48,870
Okay.

2696
03:44:50,250 --> 03:44:50,670
Announcements?

2697
03:44:50,910 --> 03:44:51,370
Need a motion.

2698
03:44:51,650 --> 03:44:52,330
Do you have to vote on that?

2699
03:44:52,590 --> 03:44:52,930
You have to vote.

2700
03:44:52,950 --> 03:44:53,630
You have to vote on it.

2701
03:44:53,850 --> 03:44:53,970
Yeah.

2702
03:44:54,690 --> 03:44:59,250
I moved to approve the first reading, ordinance 25-01.

2703
03:45:02,060 --> 03:45:02,860
I'll second.

2704
03:45:03,660 --> 03:45:04,160
Discussion?

2705
03:45:04,900 --> 03:45:05,040
None.

2706
03:45:05,280 --> 03:45:05,440
None.

2707
03:45:06,380 --> 03:45:06,880
Basic.

2708
03:45:07,160 --> 03:45:07,760
Mr. Whitmore?

2709
03:45:08,200 --> 03:45:08,440
Aye.

2710
03:45:08,700 --> 03:45:10,060
Mr. Susteth?

2711
03:45:10,240 --> 03:45:10,440
Aye.

2712
03:45:11,520 --> 03:45:12,240
Mr. Schaefer?

2713
03:45:12,440 --> 03:45:12,660
Aye.

2714
03:45:12,880 --> 03:45:13,400
Chair Diggins?

2715
03:45:13,760 --> 03:45:14,140
Aye.

2716
03:45:15,000 --> 03:45:19,320
Now we'll move on to announcements. There's a copy of them out there if anybody's

2717
03:45:20,040 --> 03:45:20,840
going to move on.

2718
03:45:21,140 --> 03:45:21,600
I'm serious.

2719
03:45:22,200 --> 03:45:22,860
I'm not going to read them.

2720
03:45:22,880 --> 03:45:23,160
I'm serious.

2721
03:45:23,900 --> 03:45:27,620
All right, so the next thing on the agenda.

2722
03:45:36,590 --> 03:45:42,990
I have none except I'm wishing everybody Merry Christmas. We will be here on Friday to fix

2723
03:45:42,990 --> 03:45:53,420
that one advertising area error and Santa will be here on Friday at three giving out

2724
03:45:53,420 --> 03:46:00,200
Gifts to children, and it'll be over here in the veterans.

2725
03:46:01,360 --> 03:46:02,360
Oh, garden at 3.30.

2726
03:46:04,020 --> 03:46:05,500
And I think that's it.

2727
03:46:05,740 --> 03:46:06,160
That's all I got.

2728
03:46:06,360 --> 03:46:06,760
Thank you.

2729
03:46:06,960 --> 03:46:07,600
Great job, Dan.

2730
03:46:08,000 --> 03:46:09,320
Is Neil going to be Santa?

2731
03:46:13,140 --> 03:46:14,140
Where's your Santa?

2732
03:46:14,600 --> 03:46:16,160
Other duties as a sign.

2733
03:46:17,960 --> 03:46:19,420
Comments, questions from the commission?

2734
03:46:19,660 --> 03:46:20,840
I just have one thing, Mr. Chair.

2735
03:46:20,840 --> 03:46:25,000
I'm Jim Boyd is meeting with me Thursday, this Thursday.

2736
03:46:25,620 --> 03:46:27,240
He's set it up a long time ago.

2737
03:46:27,420 --> 03:46:28,540
So I'm going to be meeting with him.

2738
03:46:28,620 --> 03:46:30,700
And I told the mayor and I talked about it.

2739
03:46:30,820 --> 03:46:33,500
And I'm going to give her a copy of our legislative platform

2740
03:46:34,040 --> 03:46:37,760
and try to get him on our page, you know?

2741
03:46:38,480 --> 03:46:38,920
That's it.

2742
03:46:39,340 --> 03:46:39,620
Thank you.

2743
03:46:39,840 --> 03:46:40,000
Mary?

2744
03:46:40,440 --> 03:46:40,840
None.

2745
03:46:41,980 --> 03:46:43,200
Other than happy holidays?

2746
03:46:43,400 --> 03:46:43,780
Merry Christmas.

2747
03:46:44,260 --> 03:46:44,720
Christmas, everybody.

2748
03:46:45,080 --> 03:46:45,100
Thank you.

2749
03:46:46,140 --> 03:46:46,540
Erica?

2750
03:46:49,040 --> 03:46:50,380
I've been meaning to talk to you about that.

2751
03:46:50,400 --> 03:46:51,320
We all have a happy holiday.

2752
03:46:51,320 --> 03:46:52,780
Anybody from the staff?

2753
03:46:53,880 --> 03:46:55,280
I have a couple of updates.

2754
03:46:55,580 --> 03:46:56,020
Yes, Santa.

2755
03:46:56,860 --> 03:46:57,500
Oh.

2756
03:47:00,100 --> 03:47:03,820
So we have the tonnages from Waste Pro for commercial tonnages in November,

2757
03:47:04,860 --> 03:47:08,900
265,000 residential, 263 tons.

2758
03:47:09,560 --> 03:47:12,180
And update from the building department,

2759
03:47:12,440 --> 03:47:15,760
since 9.27 the day after Hurricane Helene,

2760
03:47:16,320 --> 03:47:19,180
we've issued over 1,030 permits.

2761
03:47:19,180 --> 03:47:22,260
We've completed over 1,300 inspections.

2762
03:47:23,980 --> 03:47:27,160
Really important one to note here, we've had 22 demo permits.

2763
03:47:27,340 --> 03:47:29,520
We've had 22 structures removed.

2764
03:47:30,200 --> 03:47:33,920
So we will have 22 new homes at some point.

2765
03:47:34,340 --> 03:47:37,560
And we've also had four new residential permits to date.

2766
03:47:37,740 --> 03:47:40,740
So we've had 20 demos and four new residential.

2767
03:47:41,540 --> 03:47:44,920
And assuming those 20 demos will be coming in as new residential.

2768
03:47:46,900 --> 03:47:52,080
So there's a lot of activity that's up to Neil and his crew for keeping it all in check.

2769
03:47:52,360 --> 03:47:52,920
So thank you.

2770
03:47:53,200 --> 03:47:53,500
Thank you.

2771
03:47:53,900 --> 03:47:54,300
Neil?

2772
03:47:58,960 --> 03:48:03,340
This just happened and I haven't got a chance to talk to you, chat about it.

2773
03:48:03,440 --> 03:48:06,160
So basically, forgive me, but this is good news.

2774
03:48:06,660 --> 03:48:08,000
So I just got a phone call.

2775
03:48:09,420 --> 03:48:10,760
I wouldn't have done bad news.

2776
03:48:10,920 --> 03:48:11,700
I would have holed off.

2777
03:48:12,740 --> 03:48:14,020
It's like, hey, it's okay.

2778
03:48:14,560 --> 03:48:17,720
I just got a phone call from FEMA headquarters.

2779
03:48:17,720 --> 03:48:19,120
and no, it's not the CRS.

2780
03:48:19,580 --> 03:48:23,240
And basically, they were talking to me and they said,

2781
03:48:23,320 --> 03:48:24,920
hey, you guys are doing such a good job.

2782
03:48:25,040 --> 03:48:25,900
I'm serious about this.

2783
03:48:26,380 --> 03:48:28,420
We wanna come and we wanna put on a presentation

2784
03:48:28,420 --> 03:48:31,880
here at Homes Beach and we want others to come.

2785
03:48:32,340 --> 03:48:34,920
And what they wanna do is substantial damage,

2786
03:48:35,400 --> 03:48:37,800
windshield report and then substantial damage.

2787
03:48:38,160 --> 03:48:40,980
And they want to give us a synopsis

2788
03:48:41,540 --> 03:48:44,260
how they like it and so on.

2789
03:48:44,660 --> 03:48:46,860
And I thought it was a great idea because it's free.

2790
03:48:46,860 --> 03:48:54,260
So I was going to get with Chad and I just want because it's going to happen like January 6th ish

2791
03:48:54,260 --> 03:48:59,620
And we won't have another commission prior to that. So I thought maybe I should just give you a heads up on it

2792
03:49:00,960 --> 03:49:09,160
And we'll invite our neighbors and get everybody involved, but it's it's phenomenal outreach for CRS

2793
03:49:09,160 --> 03:49:11,020
They're very happy with what we've done

2794
03:49:11,560 --> 03:49:14,160
in fact, they were a static of what we've done and

2795
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:17,080
And I'm just going to move forward with it.

2796
03:49:17,140 --> 03:49:19,080
I'll talk to Chad about it first thing in the morning.

2797
03:49:22,670 --> 03:49:24,630
Yes, I'll give dates and all that.

2798
03:49:24,770 --> 03:49:27,110
It could be anywhere between two and four hours.

2799
03:49:28,330 --> 03:49:31,030
And if I can get the chambers, that's

2800
03:49:31,030 --> 03:49:32,030
where we'll have right here.

2801
03:49:36,820 --> 03:49:37,260
I'll check it.

2802
03:49:37,460 --> 03:49:38,660
There's nothing locked in yet.

2803
03:49:38,860 --> 03:49:40,840
I'm going to go ahead and do it to everybody else.

2804
03:49:41,140 --> 03:49:41,280
OK.

2805
03:49:42,920 --> 03:49:44,000
Yeah, happy holidays, everybody.

2806
03:49:44,120 --> 03:49:44,720
Brother in your hand.

2807
03:49:44,800 --> 03:49:45,560
We're not done yet.

2808
03:49:45,820 --> 03:49:46,400
We're not done yet.

2809
03:49:48,020 --> 03:49:49,520
Any comments from the public?

2810
03:49:49,520 --> 03:49:50,660
and

2811
03:49:52,930 --> 03:49:59,270
Kristen you've said through the whole thing any okay now we're adjourned

2812
03:49:59,270 --> 03:50:02,650
thank you my dogs

2813
03:50:05,340 --> 03:50:05,980
are in the dark