[0:00] that's 18 - 43 and ordinance of the city
of Onalaska master forgiving these
[0:07] sellers from providing buyers with
single-use plastic disposable shopping
[0:11] bags recommended dates introduction
September 24th 2018 public hearing and
[0:19] second reading on June 8th - wait is
there a motion for the introduction
[0:25] before that's 18 -
[0:30] I won't or next you okay there any any
discussion of this because we're going
[0:43] to be I just wanted to say that for
those people who were concerned about
[0:47] why aren't we putting this off for a
vote the next election would be a year
[0:52] from this coming October so that would
delay this for one more year and I think
[0:57] timing I'm not I don't believe I'm doing
this for the environment who speaks up
[1:03] for the environment if it isn't us we
don't care the city that is our job to
[1:08] watch out for the environment and I
truly believe that says that would hurt
[1:14] anyone
I'm not picking on any one business but
[1:18] I think it's important that we take a
stand on this and I I think are the
[1:22] people who spoke said put it back out
for a vote well that just kicks it down
[1:27] the lane for a year and I will be back
in a year but that if that's what you
[1:30] that's wrong but I think we can do this
now and I think times have changed I
[1:35] think people are so much more educated I
am with 100% Rachel I thank you very
[1:40] very supporting us because I I really do
think the timing is right for this now
[1:44] a lot has happened since 2013 we know so
much more
[1:52] more discussion council member action I
appreciate your ordinance and I just
[2:00] want you to clarify to the listing
audience on this single-use plastic
[2:06] disposable shopping bags
you also said though that then the
[2:12] grocery stores would have a a heavier
bag to use plastic bag versus the light
[2:21] ones I struggled with this one because I
go to Safeway and I really don't like
[2:34] having three bags but I do reuse all my
bags also so but to me as I've been
[2:43] thinking about this over the weekend I
think that there's actually a bigger
[2:48] issue that I'm seeing and I'm seeing
people that are just doing really
[2:52] irresponsible with the trash and and
then the wind blows and it's not just
[3:01] the single use bags it's everything
that's on the sides of the Rhoden is
[3:05] like
things along along my properties it's
[3:11] we're picking on one little thing we're
not actually solving the big problem is
[3:16] people being irresponsible and if you
watch at these dump stations people when
[3:22] they're full they just dump it on the
ground and they really don't care it and
[3:26] I think that the man from India
the burrow landfill I appreciated what
[3:31] he had to say because he's he's seen it
firsthand over and over again there's a
[3:36] lot of different kinds of trash it's not
just one kind and so I'm struggling with
[3:44] completely banning because I think that
there's maybe a little bit more
[3:49] education really needs to go out with
how are we dealing with our trash when
[3:54] you see the when the landfill is is
closed
[3:59] you see businesses with their dumpsters
and people come to just dump their trash
[4:03] in front of it just overflowing and to
me that's a that's a problem because I
[4:10] may end up paying for crash and the
other business owners do and the wind
[4:15] takes it and the way it goes and then
they're out there cleaning it up but so
[4:18] I think that we maybe have a little
bigger problem that we should really be
[4:20] focusing on is how are we dealing with
our stuff from being people being
[4:25] responsible to get their trash actually
to the landfill and so we don't have one
[4:32] single issue
we're trying to fix because it's way
[4:35] bigger than that and I don't know if
you've ever seen the pictures of what's
[4:38] happening how to be Neil Canyon where
people are just dumping their stuff
[4:43] because the garbage disposals are full
they don't care and the guys can't even
[4:48] get up to a little advertise and the
pictures when they're looking at it so I
[4:51] I really um I appreciate where you're
going with this but I don't feel like
[4:56] it's right we're right where it needs to
go and I would rather see us move this
[5:01] move this to a little bit longer term or
trying to fix it that where it would
[5:06] work better where you were maybe dealing
with more big issues than just just
[5:12] plastic bag because I mean I see the
black trash bags more often than I see
[5:19] these woods that's whatever yeah the
reason that these bags these very
[5:25] lightly single-use plastic bags break
down very very easily when they're in
[5:30] the ocean into tiny tiny parts tiny and
those that is where the environment is
[5:38] in trouble because of tiny little
partisan and
[5:42] the things that we eat halibut and fish
than have been birds we don't eat the
[5:47] birds with universe I mean it isn't
really the bag itself it's what happens
[5:52] to it when it hits the environment and
they're so in it so light and so easily
[5:58] broken up that when they get off the
ocean they're not really a whole bag any
[6:02] learn a black plastic bag probably looks
like a plastic bag for a little bit
[6:06] longer than these little lightweight
bags
[6:09] so I'm I'm not saying we don't have a
garbage problem
[6:13] I do really agree to but I'm thinking
this is something we can do to protect
[6:18] our environment we are in marine
environment and if we don't join the
[6:24] other cities and the other countries
then we are saying we live in a marine
[6:31] environment but it doesn't matter for us
and it does it manage of my city matters
[6:37] for you and I think we all need to be
educated I I really truly believe we do
[6:44] but part of that education in three
years has been house how doesn't take
[6:48] very long for these things to break
under those tiny little pieces and it's
[6:52] the tiny little pieces
not the real bag itself follow the money
[6:58] these banks are very very cheap for
stores follow the money they like store
[7:04] it like they're cheap they they have
given us an opportunity to buy it to
[7:09] have cheap bags hey if you want to reuse
a plastic bag don't you want it to be a
[7:15] sturdier one than what little single use
bags are if it doesn't make someone you
[7:19] can't put kitty litter don't try that
these banks are not reusable for
[7:25] anything and it's not like a bag that
you get that is something that you can
[7:29] say oh I've got my mom jeans babe I
reuse that for something these are the
[7:34] single use bags that are just there's a
difference you're like oh she knows we
[7:40] don't stand up and protect our
environment then who else is going to
[7:43] protect our environment and I don't I
really think the government is nothing
[7:47] government this is our community saying
and an awareness on our casual hey we
[7:53] care about the environment we are very
environment we can't close our eyes to
[7:57] see we don't know that now maybe we
could have 10 years ago but I hear the
[8:01] research I teach at the college I see
these young people they know what that
[8:07] damages my look at them is I'm gonna do
everything
[8:12] city council members to make sure that
doesn't happen and I don't believe that
[8:18] government intervention I think that is
being wise because individual certain
[8:27] hair course you can do it individually
make a difference we can think the
[8:30] difference and if we don't do this I
really feel like somewhere along the
[8:34] line we're going to be very sorry in ten
years what other people have done it
[8:37] home are still sitting there
well we didn't yeah we're an ocean
[8:40] environment yep bring your cheap plastic
bags because we did not get together and
[8:47] we're confident government intervention
is not what it's about it's caring about
[8:52] our environment and those people that
say oh this is the government taking arm
[8:57] it's people who care us city council
people saying yes we are listening to
[9:03] the people and this is something that
needs to have
[9:06] it's just the single use touch base it's
just because they break Thomas
[9:12] if they didn't do that but I have to say
I heard at the college I've seen it on
[9:19] those books
and it's a shame and I eat fish I grew
[9:24] up on fish that's raised in the
Comanches look you're an Alaskan I'd
[9:27] like to think my fish that's a little
tiny particles of plastic in it I don't
[9:32] want to ingest Buzzbee
so I don't want to say I care about our
[9:37] environment this to me is not an
activist on this I'm just saying it's
[9:42] time for City Council votes this down
tonight I'm going to be very embarrassed
[9:49] we are not thinking for the future and
I've heard you guys tonight saying all
[9:57] Caroline we pulled it for a year but
didn't for the boat takes one more year
[10:01] a whole year I don't think so I can't
wait a year the kids can't wait here Oh
[10:07] Caroline go talk to say for you're a
beast a boy won't do it well state boy
[10:12] will do it if they make money on says
having cheaper Maddox the only thing
[10:17] that's going to make these stores and
I'm only talking maybe one or two
[10:26] I'm not saying all plastic bags they can
have heavier bags just put the little
[10:32] tiny ones and showing you implemented
today your boots or your shoes have
[10:36] broken it was tiny little particles that
is what's dangerous to do
[10:41] and so I the plastic is not bad it's
just that these ones break down you know
[10:48] I can't I don't know what I I'm hoping
that in five years
[10:53] it's things been for actually whatever
that we have been a more educated
[11:02] councilmember Eriksen and I want you to
know I'm not opposed to the environment
[11:07] or protection I remember back when John
was little boy twenty-some-odd kind of
[11:16] go
we got moose back in the back Hills and
[11:19] there was plenty bacon assuming so I you
know I can't just say it's all about the
[11:24] marine mammals like I'm saying that you
I realize it was a problem all the way
[11:29] around and I just I feel like that
because it was such a strong and
[11:36] contentious thing the last time around
it's only fair that we give the people
[11:41] the voice to say yay or nay and if they
all want if they want to embrace it
[11:47] great and I know that a lot but people
probably well because I think that we we
[11:55] are getting tired of our food coming and
disposable
[11:59] everything's disposable and there's a
lot of waste that goes in those
[12:02] landfills but I I think that because of
the vote before that I think that it's
[12:07] only respectful of them to let them do
it again and I would say whichever next
[12:13] election it is and there's probably
gonna be one of the sprinkles elsewhere
[12:19] word Lord I think elsewhere
thank you and you know we certainly
[12:27] heard a lot of folks in support of this
and emotionally so and factually so and
[12:35] and and certainly also people frustrated
with government generally and kind of
[12:40] what is our role and that's I've spent a
lot of time thinking about what is the
[12:44] role of what is the role of government
why why do we collectively try to take
[12:48] action what does that mean when is what
is the point of a threshold where we say
[12:52] okay yes this is now it is it's an okay
time to act or or whatever
[12:57] what are those parameters and I think
that that's gray and that's what kind of
[13:02] makes it interesting and we can ask
those questions of ourselves and of one
[13:06] another honestly it sincerely and when
they hopefully would have vitriol you
[13:14] know and I think the idea of that the
people voted is is is important and it
[13:20] is true that being said we are we are we
are a community of a lot of different
[13:27] people with a lot of different
perspectives I you know I appreciate
[13:30] Caroline bringing the story because it
is contentious I have been asked since
[13:33] before I ran for council to run for
Council and - please help move the
[13:38] community back in this direction and you
know it's go for it for everybody who
[13:44] really doesn't like it there are people
who really do and for everybody who
[13:48] really does there's somebody who really
doesn't doesn't make
[13:51] I mean or bad and it's it's just what is
in the five years since the the vote
[13:58] which was turned over here in home since
the ordinance was was over traumatic go
[14:03] to the people there has been changed as
things have come operate like there's
[14:07] there's reason to kind of look at this
again I do I do believe that that is
[14:11] valid and it's not just from an agenda
whatever that particularly means but you
[14:17] know we do know more the science doesn't
change it's only really strengthened in
[14:21] evidence for the impacts of plastics and
micro plastics and again those those
[14:26] small pieces that break up along the
cycle of that science is really looking
[14:31] at the communities around us from
Onalaska than just past a very similar
[14:35] event you know and different communities
are doing you know that this this
[14:38] ordinance as it's written
has a 2.25 mil exception so bags heavier
[14:43] than that can be used well that's I mean
the signal response food is really
[14:48] important I believe in Anchorage it's
all soft plastic bags in Palmer it's for
[14:54] girls and Onalaska it's for males in
Kodiak gets for males in Wasilla it's
[15:00] 2.25 and Soldotna 2.25 cordova 2.25 but
also none of those styrofoam trays can
[15:08] be used or styrofoam for for takeout
flew them online so you know i mean this
[15:13] has been going on for a long time there
are a lot of western villages who have
[15:16] passed similar restrictions on what
retailers hand out to people right but
[15:22] we all can still make whatever choices
we want to make about what we use what
[15:26] we buy what we have
we move our goods from one place to
[15:30] another this really is looking at all of
these all of these communities around
[15:35] the state are looking at what retailers
can provide to consumers at a point of
[15:40] sale to move those Goods around so we
still have the power to make whatever
[15:44] choices we want it's what are we being
provided with at the cash register so
[15:51] I'm a little conflicted I go in Alaska
had a task force I don't know I I know I
[15:57] know I'm not gonna propose a task force
of because we are we are good right now
[16:02] with task forces I think that they take
significant city resource resources of
[16:08] staff time and even if it's not a dollar
value attributed to them the staff time
[16:11] is a dollar value that we all pay for
and so I'm not going to propose that but
[16:17] but I'd like to see this maybe I'd like
to see this introduce tonight I'd like
[16:22] to see the opportunity for continued
conversation and you know if their ideas
[16:29] of how to make it more palatable for
folks what that looks like but I would
[16:35] like to see us introduce this tonight
and move it forward to at least a second
[16:38] meeting and
[16:49] well I will say this I'm not prepared to
do exactly what it council did five
[16:56] years ago was that was pre proposed
and as a result of that the people spoke
[17:04] and they spoke in a rather loud voice
and I think that the only proper thing
[17:09] at this point is not to make the same
assumption no matter how compelling the
[17:14] evidence is I went back and I read the
minutes it was by and large people that
[17:18] sat and testified that were in favor of
the plastic bag back then there is no
[17:24] question but when I went to a vote it
did not play out the same way if we put
[17:31] it on about me and with all the respect
Caroline I mean she's been in Council
[17:36] for almost a year
she could have had it on this ballot
[17:40] there was time to do that and so yeah of
having to wait another year to allow the
[17:45] public process to do its thing for us to
educate the public for the people to
[17:51] organize that really want to see it
happen to do that without even having a
[17:55] task force and make their case make
their case to the people the 7% they
[18:00] need to win over that they would need to
have the majority I don't see anything
[18:04] lost in that process I'm not going to
put myself in a position where I'm going
[18:09] to tell the public they got it wrong and
they made the decision on this
[18:13] yes we've grown we've got more
information all that stuff's great but
[18:17] we've gone through this gyration once
and I don't think anything's lost
[18:21] leaving this to the voters
they spoke rather than fat actually on
[18:25] it and and so I'm not going to support
it just because of them
[18:31] you know I was in a business today
I'm in one of those little magic 8-balls
[18:38] I'm gonna ask you one question
has the world gone mad and I flipped it
[18:44] over and it said reply hazy please ask
again the reply that the public gave us
[18:51] was not hazy and we can come back time
and time again that's fine I mean that's
[18:56] basically what people do when they don't
get they want they get a basket but I
[19:00] think that we go through the right
process especially when it comes to
[19:04] something they spoke about and we will
get the answer if they want it at that
[19:08] point
no problem subordinate but I'm not going
[19:12] to take the position that I know better
than they did and and move forward in
[19:16] that fashion because the members muses
thank you
[19:23] this is a this is a tough night here
you know Carolina I listen to what you
[19:32] say you know I hear what you say I
listened to what he said sitting next to
[19:39] you and I hear what he says you know
when we're faced with a tough issue we
[19:46] have a choice
do we react or do we respond if we react
[19:53] that's considered negative and to go
ahead and push this forward right now
[19:59] would be a reaction do we respond as
responsible people in government who set
[20:09] policy nomer do we respond and try to
educate the public on the merits perhaps
[20:16] of why a ban should be imposed and then
we let the public vote on after they've
[20:24] received all the material in information
that they can swallow on both sides of
[20:32] the issue and let the public vote and
that's why I'm not going to be a support
[20:39] this at this time I see Meriton I knew I
see merit on the other side but it's but
[20:46] as policymakers in this community we owe
it to the public to let them make a
[20:51] decision let when I go to the grocery
store more often than not I take my
[21:00] reusable bag with me I have a bunch of
in the bathroom I instructor always use
[21:05] them I wash him
my wife Washington Washington so I know
[21:12] that I'm not going back with a
contaminated pan but very often - I'll
[21:18] forget my bag or you know they'll put my
eggs in one of those plastic bags like
[21:23] you you know refer to earlier and it's
just we go about our business but I
[21:29] don't throw my bags not use them for all
kinds of things I take my recyclables to
[21:35] the dump in them and then I throw them
in the in the plastic bag then they had
[21:41] with the dump so they're all collected I
don't know what they do with them but
[21:46] they're all within there so they're not
blowing around when I break my fish or
[21:52] seafood or whatever I put my my breading
in these plastic bags and I put my fish
[21:56] in there and I use it as a breading bag
so I'm getting bad looking you scored so
[22:03] go back to the week react or do we
respond and I think that we should
[22:11] respond and let the public decide what
they want so unfortunately I won't be
[22:18] able to support it as it is right now
I'd like to British people and educate
[22:23] them
on the merits of classic bank man or not
[22:30] thank you I I just want to say you know
I I can support a boat as well and I do
[22:43] think that time is unfortunate and I and
I you know in all of this and just the
[22:48] only thing that I wanted to respond to
tom is that I think that I could
[22:52] actually write a similar story of what
you just emphatically said to us in the
[22:56] reverse direction where I feel like
another way of painting that picture is
[23:02] to say that bringing forward this is
really responding to statewide movement
[23:08] as responding to you a lot of community
concern and and feedback and comments
[23:14] and comments and comments and again
we've got you you know that's we all
[23:19] hear different segments of our community
and every single one of those
[23:23] communities segments is valid and so the
other way to paint that is that you know
[23:28] this ordinance really is responding to
you science community concern and and
[23:34] what's going on around the state and a
reaction is you know there are there is
[23:39] a segment of the community that is
really against this very fundamentally I
[23:44] don't I don't necessarily know that
education is going to change that
[23:47] ostensibly perhaps a numbers game and so
I'm not you know I hear what you're
[23:53] saying I am NOT I don't see it actually
you
[23:58] you do I don't necessarily see it going
in a different direction if if we try to
[24:03] kind of do the same thing again I think
that's unfortunate and I just want to
[24:06] say that I don't I think you can paint
both sides as being reactionary or
[24:10] responsibly leader responsive and it's
not entirely fair to to really paint one
[24:15] side one way or the other
all right this is I think we had some
[24:22] really wonderful public testimony
earlier we received some comments via
[24:29] email earlier today a lot of really good
points raised both sides and this is
[24:40] this is a complex issue and I I'm going
to propose something and I hope that
[24:46] somebody will will make a motion
[24:52] that I believe that we need that this is
a big issue for the community and we
[24:58] need to have some additional discussion
I think that having one public hearing
[25:03] on it is not enough and I'd like to see
a motion to have at least two public
[25:09] hearings I would like to hear from the
public I'd like to hear very
[25:15] specifically on aspects of this proposed
ordinance that people like and dislike
[25:22] and like to have discussion about what
we really want to see in this in this if
[25:30] we were to if we were to if we were to
pass this or if we were to put it on as
[25:34] a ballot measure what how should it read
what should it look like what do we
[25:38] really want in this community and you
know let's hear from the public
[25:44] council members have the opportunity to
provide substitutes amendments but let's
[25:52] have a community dialogue about this and
then make a decision about whether we
[25:57] want passed this not passed this or have
it as a ballot measure in a year let's
[26:04] like you know I I feel that this is an
important enough community discussion
[26:11] that it should not be shut down
evening that we should continue the
[26:17] dialogue that we should continue to hear
from the public before we make any kind
[26:22] of decision on this so that's my
recommendation and I would love it if
[26:26] somebody would make such a motion
I make a motion that we have two more
[26:32] public hearings on ordinance 18 - 43
[26:38] because probably best to amend the main
motion to introduce and have it the
[26:43] amendment to say to introduce and
schedule too
[26:47] with motion that's on the floor
introduced okay so
[26:55] I make a motion then that
[27:00] oh the ordinance that ordinance 1843
have tonight we have some dates
[27:08] do I have camp didn't seem like anyone
Seconal Johnson
[27:54] I make a move to amend the motion to say
to introduce ordinance 1843 and
[28:01] scheduled for public hearings second
all right was there any discussion on
[28:09] the amendment oh
[28:16] I guess
to public currents is not going to
[28:20] change that
having people decide this we can have
[28:27] any number of people come in here any
long list of reputable science-driven
[28:34] whatever is and ultimately the people
have spoken on our Lots I want them to
[28:41] have the decision and if the idea is to
provide them with a forum to become more
[28:47] educated through that conversation that
might be one thing but again if there's
[28:52] a ballot initiative when we have a lot
of people that are passionate about this
[28:58] I think that that can be something that
they can take on to educate public
[29:05] I'm not I'm not going to be comfortable
with the six of us making a decision to
[29:12] tell the people that they got it wrong
and that's just kind of the bottom line
[29:15] for me so I know I don't know that my
mind will change there was some very
[29:19] compelling stuff that was said here
tonight I'm not gonna argue with that
[29:22] I'm not arguing for or against
abandoning all I'm saying is that
[29:26] ultimately regardless of the information
that's presented us here I think it
[29:32] needs to be up to them
[29:39] thank you I think that well times when
I've spent may be correct that nobody at
[29:45] this tables mind has changed on the
direction and and I think that some of
[29:48] us may not even have our minds made up
as far as you know this ordinance
[29:54] specifically I do think that that it is
timely that this ordinance was brought
[29:58] forward it's been you know there's a lot
of interest in it and it's happening
[30:04] right now all around us
very very yeah it's just happening right
[30:11] now around this so I think that by
having those two additional public
[30:14] hearings on this ordinance would give a
lot of opportunity outside of the task
[30:19] force or any other formal effort but you
hear from the public and I think that if
[30:24] you know if it does go to a to a ballot
measure next October then it does give
[30:30] an opportunity to have some more
conversation about what that might look
[30:33] like because I'm gonna say that if you
know I mean I might I would like to
[30:36] think more about this and if we were
going to look to a ballot measure for
[30:40] next fall
you know I am compelled to at least
[30:44] learn more about the four mill or you
know there I stay at exceptions you know
[30:51] that that we are seeing in the
communities surrounding us and so I
[30:54] think that it gives opportunity from our
for more dialogue for more of the public
[30:59] if they so wish to come forward and have
conversations and whether that be you
[31:04] know to help frame a better ordinance or
to frame ballot language moving forward
[31:10] I think that that would be
helpful and and possibly been
[31:15] responsible as far as kind of giving
giving a little bit more voice to an
[31:19] issue that is very weighty for the
community I think this would give time
[31:26] for the council members to they want to
amend this they can think about it I
[31:29] know I put this in there Hackett and it
was only there and I didn't really
[31:33] because of the how many I can speak to
not many of you maybe it was a surprise
[31:39] to some of you who I apologize but I
think this to schedule two public
[31:45] hearings and gives us city council
members a chance to to maybe give us
[31:51] something that will be palatable to you
I don't want to delay this for a year I
[31:55] don't think we need to I think we can
find an agreement on this I have heard
[32:00] this said before were split worse City
Council I always say no or not but I saw
[32:06] tonight that we kind of are so I'm
hoping that we can that I can help you
[32:12] facilitate this that you can ask your
questions and we have two public
[32:15] hearings I think that won't benefit the
entire community especially at us as a
[32:21] as a city council tomorrow you may think
you will have time to put in your
[32:26] amendments and think about it maybe we
can craft something that everyone will
[32:30] like then what else we live we care
about the environment all of you care
[32:34] about the environment and here every one
of you so give us the words tell us what
[32:39] you want to put in this and maybe we can
pass something all of us 100%
[32:44] because that's what it'll take and I
didn't word this to be mine or anything
[32:50] but when you're doing this solo it's
kind of like this is what I I would have
[32:54] gone for all plastic bags BAM and straws
but this is something a start of
[33:00] something that I see is a huge problem
to us as ears of dish which I am a deep
[33:07] eater of issues so I'll be happy to hear
the amendments let's work on this
[33:11] together and see if we can craft
something that is acceptable to all of
[33:15] you order that ones that will go home
today thank you and I do like working
[33:19] with all of you I just want to know this
has nothing to do with my working with
[33:23] you this is one single issue we just
happen to have different opinions at
[33:27] this time and that's all and it doesn't
it doesn't but I like working with you
[33:34] and I take you this money passion I
guess to be honest a counselor that
[33:39] listen to the people who my constituents
in name
[33:42] I was elected so it wouldn't be very
nice my dispatchers didn't do anything
[33:57] Thank You Caroline I know you're very
passionate about this I think I think
[34:04] that's wonderful
but whether we have one public here in
[34:07] her to pop appearance or ten public
hearings is not going to change my mind
[34:13] either what's going to change my mind is
the battle box and so be it we have to
[34:24] wait till next October but I think you
know in the interest of being
[34:30] responsible council people in this
community we need while I would be able
[34:37] to speak we don't need to be
[34:42] speaking for them they need to have the
option to go and make that decision on
[34:46] their own
[34:54] the the reason that I brought forward
this is because I want to here I want to
[35:01] have an additional public hearing so
that I can hear from the people so that
[35:06] they can speak and it gives us an
opportunity to hear what their
[35:10] objections are what they like what they
don't like and even if we vote this this
[35:16] down and you come up with a ballot
measure later or if this we bring
[35:25] somebody brings forward a substitute to
turn this into a ballot measure we have
[35:31] heard from the people of this community
about what they actually want to see if
[35:37] there were to be some sort of bagman
like this that is why I suggested that
[35:42] we have an extra public hearing and that
we do introduce this this ordinance
[35:49] tonight so that we can hear from the
public
[35:52] so that we we we have some idea of what
we're doing and we're not shooting in
[35:59] the blind
[36:05] I've appreciated the conversation
because I think it's important as things
[36:09] I think that a lot of the struggle book
and it's how do we live in the life that
[36:14] we live in our society with huge package
again all those different things and how
[36:20] do we live in a world full of plastic
and glass and tin and right we should
[36:26] all go back to our own little garden and
even straight from the garden and that's
[36:30] it but that's the extreme and of course
my life stuff will never afford that but
[36:37] I think one of the other things why I
don't get a little worried about maybe
[36:42] about a vote because I think that that's
really important I think it also gives
[36:47] time for people to maybe start making
some changes and see that oh maybe this
[36:53] isn't as hard as I think it would be and
so I think that I just wanted to say
[36:58] that I think there is some some good in
the midst of waiting and so don't look
[37:04] at it as maybe as a failure it's
actually a great teaching time
[37:24] I would just like to comment that the
motion on the floor
[37:31] so there is there any additional
discussion on
[37:38] okay we have a roll call vote on the
motion to amend introduction to
[37:48] two public hearings miss Lord yes is
that all yes mrs. Eriksen
[37:58] it's just Jesus
no it's just that yes this is Benny
[38:05] yes notified yes
[38:10] okay so now procedurally we're back to
the main motion which is to introduce or
[38:15] did we or did that okay so we're back to
the main motion to introduce the
[38:24] coordinates so we have a roll call vote
for the introduction yes miss Larry yes
[38:37] yes
No
[38:44] no mrs. Eriksen
[38:48] notice for yes I'm to know
[38:54] okay so coordinates 18 - 43 has been
introduced thank you very much everybody
[39:00] for a really good discussion and that
brings us to the city manager's report