1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:16,000 of the Commissioner's Court of Hood County, Texas. Today is Monday, March 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:21,520 9th, 2026. It's 9:00 a.m. and we're in the central jury room of the Ralph H. 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:26,000 Walton Jr. Justice Center at 1200 West Pearl Street in Granberry, Texas. 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:31,279 Uh, you want to give the invocation this 5 00:00:27,599 --> 00:00:36,079 morning, please? Mr. Wilson, >> pray with me, please. 6 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:40,559 Our most gracious heavenly father, we're thankful for the many blessings you have 7 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:44,960 given each of us in [clears throat] our lives. We ask 8 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:50,320 that you be with each of us now as we go about the business for the county 9 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:55,440 that we may make the decisions that are in the best interest of all. 10 00:00:53,120 --> 00:01:00,079 Continue thy blessings upon us. Bless this court in Christ's name. Amen. 11 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,079 » Amen. 12 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,160 flagged 13 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:11,600 flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One 14 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:15,119 nation indivisible with liberty and justice for 15 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:21,439 all. >> I pledge to the great state of Texas. 16 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:26,960 Honor the Texas flag. I aliance to the Texas one state 17 00:01:24,479 --> 00:01:32,320 one and indivisible. >> Okay. 18 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:37,920 Okay. The first item of business is to receive presentations from and 19 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:43,920 conduct questions and answers with shortlisted vendors in response to RFQ 20 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:48,560 20264 construction manager/owners 21 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:53,200 agent. [clears throat] The court may make an award at this time or at a later 22 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:56,880 date. Mr. Glenn Tilman. >> Good morning, judge, commissioners. Uh 23 00:01:55,119 --> 00:02:02,719 so yes, we're going to start with the uh construction management owners agent 24 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:07,680 services. Um and the first uh presenter will be Southwest architects. We're 25 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:11,760 going to ask uh all teams that have not yet presented today if they would wait 26 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:15,920 out in the out in the hallway with their devices turned off 27 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:20,400 uh to maintain fairness among the groups. The sheriff will call you in one 28 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,879 at a time whenever it's your whenever it's your turn. 29 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:30,400 Thank you, sir. >> Good morning. 30 00:02:28,959 --> 00:02:36,599 » Good morning. Let's wait until everybody gets out. Give a few minutes. 31 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,599 » How are you doing? 32 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,879 How you doing? 33 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:09,879 Ready 34 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:18,800 to start? Excuse me. 35 00:03:16,959 --> 00:03:23,080 » Yes, sir. Go ahead. Okay. Go ahead. Begin. Are you ready, Christine? 36 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:32,319 » No, we're good. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Jeff Huffinger with Southwest 37 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:38,239 Architects. Um, Southwest Architects. It's located in Crescent, Texas. We've 38 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:43,519 been in business since 1985. We've represented counties throughout 39 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:47,599 the state. Uh we've done over 35 jail facilities. And the first thing you're 40 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:52,400 thinking to yourself is we're not trying to hire an architect. I know you're not. 41 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,840 Wayne is a good friend of mine. He's a great architect. And it just so happens 42 00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,720 when you were trying to get an architect, I was pretty busy. So at the 43 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:08,000 time, I didn't think it was prudent for me to get outside my comfort zone. But 44 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:12,480 as this situation has developed, I just felt like it was important to reach out 45 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:18,320 to the court. I'm a local guy. I'm actually semi-retired now. I'm not going 46 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:22,479 to lie to you. Uh after 41 years of chasing work from all four corners of 47 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:27,360 the state. It's time for me to kind of slow down. Just it happens. Okay. And I 48 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:32,720 guess I've been blessed enough that I can do that. But I saw an opportunity 49 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:39,199 here for something for me to work within the community that I shop in. We eat 50 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:42,560 here. My we live literally one mile on the other side of the county line. And 51 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,400 if somebody asks where I'm from, I'm from Cranberry. I'm not from Fort Worth. 52 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:50,880 I'm not from Benrook. I'm from Granberry. And at the end of the day, 53 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:58,560 that's that's the way my wife and I decided in 2006 to relocate out here. 54 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:02,479 and I just really have enjoyed it. Um, the bottom line is is as I've went 55 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:08,080 through the process and read all the documents that you can read online, I've 56 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:14,400 got enjoy visiting with a few of you before the RFQ came out and uh and I 57 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:21,039 will mention this, that is the most thorough RFQ in my career. I'm I don't 58 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:27,840 know if you wrote it by yourself, but that was absolutely spoton. Okay, spot 59 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:31,520 on. Now, I've I've I like I said, I can tell you about all the counties I've 60 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:37,680 worked for. Wise County in this area, Somerville, Wise, Young, uh, Bossi, 61 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Corel. I just finished a courthouse in Corel. Just finished a jail expansion in 62 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:49,360 Corell. Um, Weise County did in 1996, 63 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:56,320 I believe it was. The irony of that was is I was challenged there to add on to a 64 00:05:52,560 --> 00:06:01,360 jail that was 100% full and that while we were going to do this addition, it 65 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:05,680 was going to stay 100% full. Well, that challenge came back. We spent a lot of 66 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:10,000 extra time master plan, which is one of the things that I'm really going to push 67 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:17,680 for is a long-term master plan. They wanted that jail to last 30 years. We 68 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:22,960 added on 230 beds. It's it is currently 50% occupied. Okay, 69 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:30,160 that's what you want. You want you want your jail to last longer than your your 70 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:35,520 your uh bond program. Uh and when I was looking at all the presentation stuff 71 00:06:32,479 --> 00:06:41,759 and some very interesting uh ways to look at it, the the accountants that did 72 00:06:38,479 --> 00:06:47,360 the analysis, the the jail commission and that's two years old. Now, one of 73 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:54,560 the concerns I had when I was looking at it is it's two years old. I've seen a 74 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:59,919 lot more explos I I drive that road and thank God for the bypass now. You know, 75 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:04,800 I know the traffic volume is greatly increasing. So, I know that we have 76 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:11,120 become not a retirement community but a community where with industry with with 77 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:16,720 uh re commercial retail everything. So, it's growing, which is going to grow 78 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:24,319 your issues with the uh the jail long term. And when I looked at a 160 bed 79 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:29,440 addition to a 192 beds, I went, "Okay, their peak was 29. 80 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:39,039 My quick averaging of their last 6 months is 230. We had 160 to 192. We're 81 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:44,560 at 350." Right? Well, if you take the 40 odd that he's housing out currently, add 82 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:51,360 that to 92, we're already at 250. Jail Commission recommends at 80% 83 00:07:48,160 --> 00:08:00,000 capacity that you start considering a new program. Well, at 282, you're going 84 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:06,240 to be at your 80% capacity. So I just challenged this court, the department 85 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:11,680 that we put together a team and that team is is supported by commissioners. 86 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:19,599 Always like to have two commissioners on every team on the team. The sheriff's 87 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:23,440 office, IT, the clerk, and also the maintenance department. And I'm I didn't 88 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:28,479 get a chance to get with a sheriff because the RFQ came out beforehand. But 89 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:34,800 at the end of the day, we meet very regularly with all my clients. I've done 90 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:41,440 this. The keys to a successful project is the team and being accountable for 91 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:46,399 every step of the process. Uh and quite frankly, in the booklet I gave you, I've 92 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:52,959 given you a milestone outline that I've used for 30 years. And in that milestone 93 00:08:50,080 --> 00:09:00,160 outlay, you'll see how that team responds at every single milestone of 94 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:05,920 the jail commission from pre-bond at uh schematic design. That team puts 95 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:10,480 together a a very very thorough cost estimate. Now, I'm also of the opinion 96 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:15,920 that we should have a construction manager on board right now. should have 97 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:22,000 been six months ago because you can get a construction manager to go to work for 98 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:27,040 this county for literally free to work with your architect and work with you as 99 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:32,480 the owner and develop a detailed cost estimate. And that's the start of the 100 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:39,360 project. And at every single milestone, it's updated and it's kept kept very 101 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:44,720 thorough. And by doing that, we keep this court informed monthly. how this 102 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:50,000 project's going, how it's developing. But but at the first, like I said, I'm 103 00:09:47,839 --> 00:09:54,720 coming, this whole process is coming in after the bond election. It's just like 104 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:58,640 I was looking at when I was talking about the numbers, I was looking at some 105 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:06,800 challenges that I've dealt with in the past similar to that. And so what we've 106 00:10:02,959 --> 00:10:12,880 learned is we as a team can create alternates at the very start of a 107 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:18,240 project and track that cost potential through the point where we submit the 108 00:10:16,079 --> 00:10:24,079 project out to bid. And if we're tracking those alternates, this court 109 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:28,560 has options that might en enhance your return on your 110 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:34,480 investment. A good example is I I believe when I just reviewed real 111 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:39,279 quickly the schematic, it 48 bit expansion. Well, based on everybody's 112 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:46,000 recommendation, that's still 48 beds short. So, why not look at that 113 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:50,640 possibility of that expansion in the original scope as an alternate? I've 114 00:10:48,959 --> 00:10:56,399 actually done it where we built the shelves and then if we were under 115 00:10:52,959 --> 00:11:01,760 budget, we finished out the bedrooms outside the box thinking at the start of 116 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:06,800 these projects will make your return on your investment 117 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:13,120 maximized. And remember, I started in this business doing jails at $160 a 118 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:18,959 foot. They're not 160 a foot now. you know, we're lo we're closer to the 700 119 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:23,600 range, but at the end of the day, um construction costs are going up 120 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:29,760 everywhere from 6 to 8% a year. And anything we can plan now, 121 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:35,440 even if it's just doing the infrastructure for our MA, if we could 122 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:41,519 create a long-term master plan, everything we do today will save us in 123 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:46,320 the future. and god forbid you was was to ever complete a construction on a 124 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:51,600 project and five years later you're having to look at doing it again. I much 125 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:57,040 rather look at a project forward thinking at the start and everybody 126 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:03,760 understands the necessities of numbers and money. 127 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:08,720 But if you're looking forward now, look what benefit it'll give a future court 128 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:13,680 and you might be the one stabbing to deal with that in the future. So all I'm 129 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:18,240 saying is costs are started at the very start of a project and the way to 130 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:23,920 contain those costs is to have a very thorough master plan and follow through 131 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:30,240 with the master plan through the whole process keeping the teams working, 132 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:36,320 keeping the court informed all the way up to the point where it goes out to bid 133 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:40,399 and then where there's no surprises. Um, in all my years I've been over budget 134 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:45,519 one project and it was during the pandemic and I told the court it was 135 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:51,200 going to happen. It does. It did. But at the end of the day that's because we 136 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:56,959 pre-planned even that and failed. I hate to admit it but it did. But if you take 137 00:12:53,600 --> 00:13:02,800 if you take a 48 career year career and you have one bust, 138 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:09,360 I'm I'm pretty proud of it. So another form of how we're going to maintain cost 139 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:13,440 controls is I believe that architect or this representative should be on the 140 00:13:10,959 --> 00:13:19,040 site every week. Okay. And I'm going to propose a step contract. At the first, 141 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:24,000 it'll be heavy. Helping develop master plans, helping develop costs, help 142 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:28,800 developing all the cost controls, getting the construction manager on 143 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:34,079 board, coordinating with the architect, working together, and bringing back to 144 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:39,279 this court a good solid estimate. Then, as we go into the phase where the 145 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:43,600 architect is spending his time doing all the construction documents, hey, you 146 00:13:41,839 --> 00:13:49,519 don't need to be paying somebody to do nothing. monthly update and I would I 147 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:53,680 would perform those monthly updates and keep the court informed of how it's 148 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:59,519 going with the architect meeting with the sheriff and and the team and then 149 00:13:56,959 --> 00:14:08,160 presenting to the court once a month and then when construction starts it could 150 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:12,800 be every day um 17 miles away okay other than taking my granddaughter to school I 151 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:18,959 have no responsibilities hardly anymore I've limited my my exposure to the 152 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:23,600 industry, but I would expect once once it starts going vertical, I'd be here 153 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:28,720 every day and I'd have a team meeting once a week and and that team meeting 154 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:33,680 wouldn't necessarily always include the architect because I'm not familiar with 155 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:39,279 your contract with him, but I would meet with a contractor. I meet with the subs 156 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:44,880 the representatives from the court representatives from the so maintenance 157 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:49,360 very important to have maintenance guy if he's if he's in the house or if he's 158 00:14:46,959 --> 00:14:56,480 countywide because if he understands how that pipes are run he understands how to 159 00:14:52,720 --> 00:15:00,560 fix them we don't wait till the end so we would be meeting every week we would 160 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:06,240 thoroughly discuss the budget and schedules uh 161 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:10,000 time is money at the end of the day and everybody makes more money if they keep 162 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:15,199 on time. That's what we're going to do. I I'm I'm I'm not shy about it. I carry 163 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:21,360 around a book with me. I have every single subcontractor's name from their 164 00:15:17,839 --> 00:15:26,320 foreman, the owner, and and anybody involved in those projects and they're 165 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:32,959 welcome to call me night and day up to seven and I to answer questions. I don't 166 00:15:30,079 --> 00:15:37,199 want anybody ever to be held up because we aren't there. You know, that's the 167 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:41,120 bottom line because times money to that subcontractor. And you build a 168 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:47,440 relationships with those subcontractors and contractors, it's it's golden. They 169 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:52,480 go bend over backwards for you. And so I I carry around 10 years of phone 170 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:57,199 numbers. I just had a call the other day from a a jail I did in Wheeler, Texas, 171 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:02,800 and they had an issue with their force man, and they couldn't remember exactly 172 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:07,519 where it was. Well, one, I create a set of documents that go into the clerk's 173 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:11,839 office that nobody can touch. And the sheriff gets a complete set of those 174 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:16,000 documents for at his at his facility. But at the end of the day, I pulled it 175 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:21,040 up on my computer, called him up, told him exactly where it was, got it 176 00:16:17,839 --> 00:16:25,920 resolved. I'm available. I'm available in the future. And as this project goes 177 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:30,160 on and on, I'm very familiar with how the jail commission standards are going 178 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:34,000 and what they're expecting and how they're expecting it. We're one of the 179 00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:37,839 three architects that do these jails in the state as a general rule. Uh, and 180 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:43,040 like I said, we're good friends with plane and and at the end of the day, I 181 00:16:41,199 --> 00:16:48,079 understand the jail commissioning and once it's commissioned, I have a very 182 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:53,360 thorough maintenance checklist that I propose that the sheriff keep in house 183 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:59,040 with his maintenance people which deals with items weekly, monthly, quarterly, 184 00:16:56,079 --> 00:17:04,079 semian, annually. And by maintaining those items and and being accountable to 185 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:09,439 the sheriff who's accountable to the court when it comes to the spring and 186 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:15,280 summer when you go to be uh doing your budgets for maintenance, he sees where 187 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:20,000 he's had problems. It helps. But more importantly, 188 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:24,959 you as a court are observing that he's doing his best to maintain the facility 189 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:29,919 that you blessed him with to have. And at the end of the day, that's so 190 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:33,679 important. The long term, I mean, I've done jails 25 years ago. You can still 191 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:39,120 walk in and they're still just like a hospital. The floors are kept beautiful, 192 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:43,280 the painting is checked on, and the graffiti is taken care of. And at the 193 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:48,799 end of the day, that's what we're here for. Um, 194 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:52,480 » finger, I have a couple of questions. 195 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:57,360 » Yes, ma'am. Let him have his time. >> Okay. I didn't know if he was 196 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,799 » I I I'm I'm Yeah, I'm done. I'm I'm I'm I'm happy that I've submitted everything 197 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,919 I can to you. >> Mh. Commissioner Wilson, why don't you 198 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:08,720 go ahead? >> Go ahead. 199 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:12,080 » Did the job in Wheeler County? >> I mean, what was the capacity that you 200 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:15,039 added? >> Uh it was a new construction. 201 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,880 » New How many? >> 64. 202 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,039 » 64. >> 64. 203 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:27,280 » Okay. >> Yes, sir. Um, I'm I've been in my career 204 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:33,280 I've been pretty well known for like 140 less. That's been my bread and 205 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:37,120 butter to speak. Um, at the end of the day, all the rules on the jail 206 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:42,080 commissions are are the same for every jail, though. So, I'm very I'm very 207 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:47,679 confident. Like I said, did I did a large one for uh Weise County and I've 208 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:52,400 actually did a planned one for Corell County. What about at Parington? At 209 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:55,600 Parington Alche County. >> Uh that is a 48 bed. 210 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,640 » I mean >> 48 bed sir. 211 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,640 » Okay. 212 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,120 » What years were those? >> Go ahead. 213 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:10,080 » Wheeler and Wheeler's about 10 years ago. A tree was 214 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:13,320 uh six maybe six years ago. Something like that. 215 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,000 So, is there anyone else that would be assisting you in your firm or is it just 216 00:19:17,679 --> 00:19:22,640 you? >> Yes, ma'am. I have I have a I have an 217 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:28,320 architect that that works with me, uh, Russell Baldino. He actually just got 218 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:33,919 his license in the last 6 months. He's been in uh construction for eight years. 219 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:39,679 He actually brings a pretty important function in terms of cost estimating. 220 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:44,000 Uh, I've been involved so much with the construction. I pretty well know what 221 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:49,520 mechanical, electrical, all the different as u aspects of a jail cost. 222 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:53,679 I'm pretty very familiar with it. But he actually has the the he uses blue beam 223 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:58,000 on it for example. And he'll be assisting me. U there'll be there'll be 224 00:19:55,919 --> 00:20:02,400 a few times that I'll need him down here because I've got to do something or be 225 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,880 somewhere but as a general royal it'll be me. 226 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:08,400 » And where's he located? >> Uh in fourth. Okay. 227 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:17,280 So, you mentioned this and I think we went over this a few months ago when we 228 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:22,480 were discussing on putting out the RFP, but could you kind of go over the 229 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:26,000 different roles of the owner's agent, the construction manager, and the 230 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:33,120 architect? >> Yes. Uh, this would actually be kind of 231 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:38,640 unique. Uh but the architect's role and I've always assumed it as well as Wayne 232 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:44,480 does. Our fiduciary responsibility is to this court and and his main goal is 233 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:51,280 going to be the design, the programming, the design and with the input from the 234 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:58,159 sheriff's office, the court, uh your representative. Uh this will be, like I 235 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:02,880 said, unique. if if you chose to hire an architect to be your representative only 236 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:08,640 from the standpoint of knowledge though I would never try to override I 237 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:14,559 understand not only the ethics of it but also I understand uh the way the your 238 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:20,080 contract is going to be with your architect what his responsibilities are 239 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:24,320 versus your responsibilities and I would represent your responsibilities in that 240 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:32,240 contract and he would represent the architects But he and I can speak on the 241 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:40,400 same level of experience and uh education which will benefit in the long 242 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:45,120 run because not only uh are we both architects but very experienced in the 243 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:50,320 jail standards. The key on this project is the jail standards. Everything about 244 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:55,200 this project, you know, god forbid these inmates have more rights than the 245 00:21:52,720 --> 00:22:00,799 jailers that have to maintain them. So, it's our goal to always create a 246 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:06,000 atmosphere where we minimize their contact with the jailers and that's what 247 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:11,440 we'll look at. Now, on the front side of this thing in the master plan, I think I 248 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:15,520 would bring more to the table to make sure that everybody's thinking outside 249 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:20,400 the box. They might not all be good things, but we need to think outside the 250 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:25,840 box. We need to think long term. I mean, uh, I I'm I'm I know I harped earlier on 251 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:30,320 our numbers, but the numbers tell the truth. And if our growth is where it is, 252 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:34,960 and if our numbers are going to be where they are, we're going to have only a 253 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:41,280 short gap of being able to do this and and uh perform 254 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:45,360 without having to be back in the same box again. So thinking outside the box 255 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:49,440 on the front side, you know, Wayne and I have been friends for years and years 256 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:54,159 and I know he would respect the opinion and review it and same way with 257 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:59,440 alternatives. Not a lot of my colleagues have looked into that kind of stuff, but 258 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:02,480 I've actually done it and it works and but here again, it's thinking outside 259 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,280 the box. >> And then the construction manager, how 260 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:10,159 does that fit into >> the construction manager will be a 261 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:18,080 vendor to this court and to this county? that that person will align as a u an a 262 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:23,440 vendor to the court and their responsibility would be to take this 263 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:28,000 project, put it out on the street, manage a construction schedule, manage 264 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:34,240 the bidding, bring that bidding back to the court, let the court review it, and 265 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:40,880 prepare a guaranteed max contract, which is what we would manage that guaranteed 266 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:45,440 max contract. And we would have uh uh contingencies built in. They would have 267 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:49,280 contingencies built in. They have to get authorization on the contingencies. The 268 00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:53,120 court has to authorize the owner contingencies. But managing that 269 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:58,960 contract, u I hate change orders. I would rather 270 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:03,360 spend an extra month making sure that everything is ready to go than signing a 271 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:09,200 change order. I I'll be honest with you, I I'm very difficult about change 272 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:15,120 orders. And uh when somebody when a court asks because say we're we're in 273 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:19,840 good budget and they decide u you have needs and you have wants and you have 274 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:24,080 desires and maybe there's a want that they have and you're under budget and 275 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,919 the court sees fit to consider it. Then we go out and we verify those things. 276 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,000 With my extensive background with subcontractors through the years, I can 277 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:36,799 check somebody's number in a heartbeat and that's what'll benefit the long run 278 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:43,760 of it. But as far as a change order goes, change orders, um are considered 279 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:47,600 mistakes in a lot of cases. And so, uh accountability in that team is going to 280 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:51,760 be very important. But I think when you when you have that team concept and 281 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,559 you're meeting regularly, u accountability is a lot easier to 282 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,240 assume. >> So, does the owner's agent manage the 283 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:03,760 construction manager? >> Yes, ma'am. 284 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:07,360 Ma manage them as in their contract. >> Oversee them. just oversee them. Yes, 285 00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:13,360 ma'am. It would be it would be our responsibility to go out on that site. U 286 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:17,679 they have quality control people. They have project managers. They have 287 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:22,960 superintendent and they have foremans. You have your representative that goes 288 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:27,360 out and meets with all those. Whereas their project manager is going to be 289 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:34,159 kind of their head and down from there. But as a typical rule in those team 290 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:40,240 meetings, we all visit together. So what are the top risks that you see 291 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:44,320 for our project? >> Top risk 292 00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:50,159 » and how would you mitigate them? I think the top risk right now that I would like 293 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:54,320 to at least everybody get on board on is let's make sure that one our 294 00:25:52,400 --> 00:26:00,720 infrastructures put in place for our master plan to go forward in the future 295 00:25:57,919 --> 00:26:07,919 to look at any alternatives that we can at the present time and how those cost 296 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:13,120 savings or cost can be associated with that long-term project. For example, uh 297 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:19,120 making sure the sewer lines in this expansion are designed for the future 298 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:24,880 expansion. We don't want to revisit that 10 years from now. Make sure that the 299 00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:30,400 fire protection setup, the fire alarm, the security electronics, 300 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:37,679 all those major infrastructures need to be addressed now. So, when you 301 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:42,080 need to add on, I used to use a story about the husband and wife that had two 302 00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:46,480 kids in a three-bedroom house, and then God blessed them with another child, and 303 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:51,600 it was a lot easier to add on a bedroom than it was a kitchen and a dining room. 304 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:57,840 Make make the infrastructure in place. Okay, bedrooms are cheap 305 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:02,640 in this world. Please understand, take that relative. But but I want to make 306 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:07,919 sure that and how I mitigate it is the master planning of the start and working 307 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:12,000 with the architect and the so and the court to make sure they understand the 308 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:16,640 ramifications of what we're doing because it's important to be able to 309 00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:21,360 communicate that in advance with numbers. I'm not one of these guys that 310 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:27,919 brings a problem without a solution. You need a solution if you got a problem. 311 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:30,559 job at Wheeler County and Bossi County. Both did you come in under budget or 312 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,640 overbudget? >> Under budget, sir. 313 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,960 » Both of them. >> All of them. 314 00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:41,279 » All of I've done I've been blessed. Uh matter of fact, in Corell, we were under 315 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:45,360 budget enough on the jail expansion that they got to redo the electronics in the 316 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:49,440 existing jail. And uh 317 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:53,520 Oh. And and I'd be lying if I tell you how much, but I know that we we've been 318 00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:57,840 consistent with our budgets and underbudgets. And I'm not one of these 319 00:27:55,679 --> 00:28:02,000 guys that makes the budget crazy, so it makes me look good at the end. That 320 00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:06,559 budget is presented by the construction manager at the start, and I keep them 321 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:10,720 accountable through the project. Now, there is a lot of items that will go 322 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:14,559 into this budget that the construction manager has nothing to do with. 323 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:19,679 thirdparty testing, engineering surveying, those kind of items that 324 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:25,440 we'll manage inhouse. FFN and things like that. We'll manage those in house. 325 00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:30,640 We'll also we'll also um get the numbers for that. So, it's there's more than 326 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:34,480 just the construction cost. >> Okay. Thank you. 327 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:40,240 » As you you mentioned, this is going to be a project where the jail is 328 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:45,039 operational while the construction is is going on. So, walk, you've said you've 329 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:49,440 done this before, so walk through a project where you've handled that phase 330 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:55,520 construction and how did you address the security and compliance issues? 331 00:28:52,559 --> 00:29:01,039 » Good, great question. Um, well, I I can tell you about Weise 332 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:08,240 County real easy. Uh, we made temporary doors. Uh, worked with the So back then, 333 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:12,559 I think M. Uh, Sheriff, weren't you over there at the time when we built the 334 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,520 jail? >> Okay. For some reason, I was thinking 335 00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:21,520 you were over there. It had a different capacity, but anyway, we created we we 336 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:25,919 created uh uh zones where the inmates stayed within the facility while we were 337 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:30,480 working. And any of our contractors that had to work in like the kitchens and 338 00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:34,240 processing, they have we have a a protocol that we work out with the 339 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:40,480 sheriff where they can bring tools in and out. we can work with and without 340 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:45,360 trustees. Uh scheduling it that weekly meeting that the sheriff or his chief 341 00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:50,480 deputy or his jail admins at those where you discuss what we're going to do next 342 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:57,039 week. So we've got a plan in place for for the inmate to be uh contained 343 00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:01,520 through that process. And it's not as difficult as it sounds because remember 344 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,799 they're incarcerated. So it's not like they wander in the hallways. But at the 345 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,320 end of that age, you still have your life safety systems you have to deal 346 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,960 with. You have to deal with your how you're going to deal with if you have a 347 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:19,039 fire alarm. But those are the items that we work out with the sheriff and his 348 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:23,039 team that that they have forms that they actually deal with with the jail 349 00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:28,159 commission where they do practices on evacuating an saying got sick and we had 350 00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:32,960 to evacuate him ambulance. All that stuff we take into consideration and in 351 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:37,440 that meeting we discuss it and then if we need to have additional meetings with 352 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:42,080 the jail admin or staff we would go in there and take care of that too. But 353 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:45,080 that's a weekly thing that has to be uh prosecuted. 354 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:55,840 » So how do you ensure complete independence as an an advisory agent? 355 00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:01,200 complete independence >> without so you you have 356 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:06,159 relationships with the other subcontractors. So how do you ensure 357 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:10,960 complete >> well first of all we don't know who any 358 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:18,320 of the contractors are. So I being hypothetical uh 359 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:23,360 my loyalty has always been to my clients and if I'm the architect I have the same 360 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:29,360 fiduciary responsibility I would as a manager for you and therefore uh there's 361 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:36,640 you know the architect's going to draw those plans up and I am going to along 362 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:42,080 with him are going to ensure that those construction documents are followed. 363 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:48,159 That's it. There's no there's no gray area in that. Now, I will tell you this 364 00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:53,360 that through my career, I've learned that I'm not the smartest cantaloupe in 365 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:58,000 the pasture because sometimes the subs understand something a little bit better 366 00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:02,720 than you do. And we as professionals have to understand that if he's got a 367 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:08,159 better solution, then we might be looking at that 368 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,919 solution. And if it saves the county money, that's even a bonus. But at the 369 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:18,799 end of the day, we have to be open to that. That's why we meet every week 370 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:21,760 because like I said, I've learned the day I quit learning is probably the 371 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,960 first day you're going to find dirt on my face. 372 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,840 » Have you ever declined work due to a potential conflict? 373 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:33,760 » Yes, ma'am. How did you 374 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:38,159 » I I uh I had a public client that did not want me to 375 00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:41,360 um watch over the construction. They just 376 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:49,679 wanted me to draw the plans, get them approved, get them a permit. And uh I 377 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:53,279 won't do that. Um I've been blessed 41 years. I haven't had to call a lawyer. I 378 00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:57,760 ain't going to start. It's getting way too old for that. But at the end of the 379 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:04,159 day, being there on that site every week, that accountability to my client, 380 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:09,519 to the contractors is super important. And uh when they told me that they 381 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:13,880 didn't want to pay for that, I said that you might need to go to the lumber yard. 382 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,919 » You already you already talked a little bit about your budget and your cost 383 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:26,720 management. So I have that question, but you you covered that. 384 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,080 um in the other ones too. So I think that's 385 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:37,279 I think you covered pretty much all the things that I had written down. 386 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:42,080 » Like I said, I'm an architect. You got some very good firms out here. I I 387 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:46,960 totally understand that and they every day they do project management for 388 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:52,080 school districts, maybe some counties and stuff. But what I believe I can 389 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:57,840 bring to the table is more knowledge of the jail commission. 390 00:33:55,279 --> 00:34:04,080 Being that, you know, I take a lot of pride in where I live and work and play. 391 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:08,800 Uh I don't think that can be replicated. And uh 392 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:12,639 » I I don't have a bunch of fancy forms. My form is going to be is every week 393 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,720 you're going to get an email from me, everybody on the court, even the the 394 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:20,000 members that are at the meeting and keep them updated. And once a month I'm going 395 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:26,000 to come in here and I'm going to give the court a very thorough 15minute 396 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,359 throwdown of the month where we're at and where we're going. That's my plan. 397 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,359 » Okay. I did I did have one other question. Do you have other projects 398 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:41,200 going on right now and how would you prioritize Hood County within those? 399 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:45,919 » Good question. Uh tomorrow I will finish my third remodel for Hempill County. Um 400 00:34:44,233 --> 00:34:54,159 [snorts] I'm going up there this evening. uh to do a final punch list. Um 401 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:58,240 I've worked on their uh museum, their pavilion, and then another project at 402 00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:04,560 their pavilion. I'm just finishing those up for them. Um 403 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:11,200 really, that's only thing I have going right now. Um I do, like I said, I get 404 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:17,200 calls for some consulting, but the priority I have is for Hood County. I 405 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:22,480 mean literally uh you know um I moved out of the big office buildings like 406 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:26,960 seven years ago because in 41 years or back then it was 35 years I'd never had 407 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:34,720 a client come to my office. I drive from to Texas to Crane Yokum Pitton Santo 408 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:39,760 County. I drive all over the state but none of my clients come to my office. So 409 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:46,160 I moved to the country for a reason for the peace and quiet just like I my 410 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:50,480 office is. So yeah, my my uh my goal is this would probably be the end of my 411 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:54,599 career, be honest with you. >> Thank you. 412 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,599 » It is what it is. 413 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,760 » Thank you for your time. Enjoyed it. >> Good presentation. 414 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,480 Next one is kitchen. CM 415 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,520 Kitchel. 416 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,119 Fact that he's close is good. 417 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,680 Good morning. >> Good morning. 418 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,400 » Y'all come on up here. Yard Kitchell, CM, right? 419 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,480 » Yes, sir. >> Deal. 420 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:59,400 How are you doing? >> Good. Ron Massenill. Nice to meet you, 421 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,400 Seth. Nice to meet you. 422 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,400 » All right. Good. 423 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:09,280 Seth Akan Cameron Glass. How are you doing? 424 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,839 » Good. Good. >> Good. All right. 425 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,480 Oh yeah. 426 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:20,441 Well, based on yesterday, I'm just glad we're not an hour late. 427 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:20,441 [laughter] 428 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:30,000 Y'all let us know when >> Oh, okay. Go ahead. 429 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:34,160 » All right. Great. Judge, commissioners, 430 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:38,400 sheriff, thank you for having us today. We're 431 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:45,680 we're really proud to be here and representing Kitell CM. CM stands for 432 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:53,280 capital expenditure managers. It's how our company was started and uh for 40 433 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:59,280 years uh we have been managing capital expenditures which is very critical for 434 00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:04,560 this project. As you know, our mission is to be stewards of this project. 435 00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:09,040 Stewardship is a key element of this. And how we will get there is we have to 436 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:13,520 build trust. We have to build trust with the team, build trust with you, build 437 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:19,359 trust with Wayne and his team, build trust with the sheriff's office and his 438 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:24,400 folks. From trust comes commitment, accountability, hard conversations, and 439 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,880 results. With that, I'd like to turn it over to 440 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,160 Cameron Glass. Hi, >> Cameron Glass. I'm with Kitch as well. 441 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:36,240 I'll be your project director. >> Microphone, please. Is the green light 442 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:40,480 on? >> Okay. Cameron Glass uh with Kitchell as 443 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:45,040 well. I'll be your project director. Uh I have a 25 year uh background in 444 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,000 history in doing these exact type of projects, prisons, jails, courts, 445 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:52,160 police, and juvenile. That's what I've spent uh 25 years of my career on. And 446 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:56,160 I'm excited to be here today and talk about your project. 447 00:39:54,720 --> 00:40:00,160 Yeah. And I'm Tyler Cook. I'll be your senior project manager on site. Um I've 448 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:03,520 spent the last decade doing justice projects across the country as well as 449 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:07,599 the last several years working with uh local government, especially counties 450 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:11,040 here in the DFW Metroplex. So I'm very um understanding of what it's like to 451 00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:16,240 work for a local government and and the rules and regulations with that. 452 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,440 » All right. This is a very busy slide, but I want to break it down with a 453 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:25,920 little story. So Kitchell's big company, medium-sized 454 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:30,640 company, but we have a personal approach. We really do. And I'll give 455 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:35,839 you an example. We've got a lot of resources at our disposal. And these 456 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:40,000 resources provide value to you and give give you this little story. Tyler and I 457 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:43,680 are having lunch in Ellis County with right before our commissioner's court. 458 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,960 And there was an item on the commissioner's court that the elevator 459 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:52,960 contractor that was modernizing the elevator in the jail elevators 460 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:58,240 was trying to charge $80,000 because there was an electrical issue 461 00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:03,520 and a and an issue with shortcircuit uh current ratings. Too much information, 462 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:07,119 but anyway, they were very concerned about it. One of the commissioners was 463 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:12,000 like, "There's just no way. This is $80,000. It's holding up these elevators 464 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:17,680 getting going." I stepped out of lunch. I think I was eating meatloaf that day 465 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:23,119 and uh I called our electrical engineer. He walked him through it. Um they pulled 466 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:26,880 that from the agenda. 3 days later we had a plan for them. Um we got 467 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:32,400 electrician in there, put in a couple fusible disconnects and they were off 468 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:36,240 and running. Elevator contractor all all the road blocks were removed. 469 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:40,880 These are the kind of resources, reachback resources that we have at our 470 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:47,119 disposal that will bring value to you and this project. Um, next slide. 471 00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:52,960 Like I said, capital expenditure managers, we got our foundation doing 472 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:58,480 justice work. We've done justice work uh across the country as well as uh here in 473 00:41:55,839 --> 00:42:04,480 Texas. So, don't let the numbers scare you because we have a like this is your 474 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:11,040 team. Um, we're here. We're not corporate people or anything like that. 475 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:14,079 Um, we're here for a personal touch. >> So, let's uh let's talk about your 476 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:18,079 project a little bit. Uh, we have the luxury of going down and uh we we've 477 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:22,400 toured your existing jail. Uh, we've even seen where the expansion is going 478 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:25,839 to happen. Um, and I think uh on our side, one of the largest risks that we 479 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:29,920 see on your project is going to be how do you deliver this jail within an 480 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:34,800 active facility. Um, it's going to be key that the facility continues to 481 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:38,800 operate while this project is going on. Uh, if you look at the back of your 482 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,560 placemat that's in front of you, I'll just kind of jott it down some ideas and 483 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:47,520 thoughts uh that we've uh kind of pulled together over our history of doing jail 484 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:52,560 projects. Uh part of this is going to be just a lot of a lot of communication, a 485 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:57,599 lot of communication, a lot of planning, working with the uh sheriff's department 486 00:42:54,319 --> 00:43:01,119 and jail staff to uh understand when utilities need to be disconnected and 487 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,680 reconnected for this new facility. We want to minimize downtime within that 488 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:10,480 jail. Uh the security electronics and the detention components as you get 489 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:14,240 ready to install the new system and plug it on, turn it on, you want to minimize 490 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,760 downtime as well. All those doors that are operated electronically over there 491 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,960 are going to have to be keyed as well. So, we're going to want to have a plan 492 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:26,000 in place for all that. We can't be impacting the operations all that often. 493 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:29,359 We can't be impacting the staff. Uh as well as there's an impact on those that 494 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,960 are housed in there as well. Uh they don't have any place to go. Uh and when 495 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,160 it gets loud, when it gets noisy and vibrations start to happen, they get 496 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:40,960 cranky and that's uh it's not always great for your staff. So uh again just 497 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:44,560 good plans in place, good ways to uh mitigate some of the challenges that 498 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:48,640 will come. Uh understanding different areas of security the way your site's 499 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,560 set out, the way the addition uh is going to be. There's a great opportunity 500 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:56,960 to have some areas outside of the secure perimeter where uh the staff uh the 501 00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,319 contractor can come and get his work done freely as he needs to. And then 502 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:03,040 we're going to have to determine with the sheriff's department what's inside 503 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:07,599 security. When do tools have to be checked in and out? I've worked on 504 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,319 projects where screws had to be counted. If you took five screws in and you only 505 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:14,160 installed four, they want to make sure you have one when you come back out. So, 506 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,960 there's a lot of planning in place and a lot of things that need to be discussed 507 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,160 and talked about to make sure that your jail can continue operating while this 508 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:24,960 work uh is going on. So, um that's what we see as your biggest risk as you look 509 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:29,200 at the work that we want to provide to you. Uh as Seth kind of said earlier, 510 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:33,359 Kitchell's a full service uh owner rep, construction project manager. uh we see 511 00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:38,160 us involved in uh pre-construction services with you all all the way 512 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:41,200 through closeout. Um as we look at the services though, you know, it's talking 513 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,480 about different delivery methods for you all. What are the pros behind all the 514 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,640 delivery methods that are available to hire a contractor? Additionally, it's 515 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:52,960 understanding what types of contractors should actually be on your jail project. 516 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:57,040 They're not not every contractor should be should be working on your project. 517 00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:01,280 So, it's helping set some of the minimum qualifications to make sure that you end 518 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:05,839 up with the right uh firms in place to help deliver your project successfully. 519 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:10,400 Additionally, we've got in-house cost estimators and schedulers. So, it's 520 00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:14,480 getting a budget set early, making sure that it's realistic, and also getting a 521 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,000 schedule put together so we understand when activities are going to happen so 522 00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:22,480 that we can help you minimize risks and minimize some of the surprises uh for 523 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:28,000 this project. Tyler's going to talk to you about the rest of the services. 524 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:30,960 » Yeah, thanks Cameron. So, just like uh continuing on with what Cameron said 525 00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:35,040 about being a full service. So, as construction starts, we'll have an a 526 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:38,800 daily on-site presence on your project, inspecting the work, u meeting with 527 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:42,000 contractors, helping to problem solve. If there's any roadblocks that arise, 528 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:46,079 we'll be working with the architect, with the contractor, with your staff, 529 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:49,280 the sheriff to figure out the best means to move forward at the most 530 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,720 cost-effective price. And then if there happens to be a change order, we always 531 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,200 try to find solutions that don't cost anything. But if there happens to be a 532 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,240 change order, you know, we'll review that change order, making sure that 533 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,839 every dollar is accounted for. You know, I understand this is taxpayer dollars, 534 00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:04,960 and so we need to make sure that we are steadfast with their their money and 535 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,040 making sure that we are accountable for where every dollar is spent. Same with 536 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,839 that, um we will also be reviewing pay applications. So when the contractor 537 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,920 submits for payment, we'll be checking their work um against the schedule, 538 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,839 against the work in the field um with your staff to make sure that you guys 539 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:22,560 feel that what is being paid is the correct payment. And if there are any 540 00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:26,319 changes that need to be made, you know, we'll negotiate that with the general 541 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:30,240 contractor on your guys' behalf. And then just like Cameron said, as we uh 542 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,760 have those in-house um schedulers, we'll also be monitoring the the general 543 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:37,440 contractor schedule, making sure that activities are aligning with what work 544 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,079 is in the field. Um, and if there happen to be any schedule delays, we'll work 545 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,160 with the general contractor to help alleviate those um, and make sure that 546 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:49,040 they stay on time to deliver you guys a quality project on time and in budget. 547 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,640 And one thing that we do um, that kind of sets Kish apart is every month we'll 548 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:56,560 give you a report of the overall health of the project. It will show the 549 00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:00,800 schedule of the project, where we're at, um kind of kind of key activities that 550 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:04,720 are coming up, where we are with cost contingency, if we've had any change 551 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:08,319 orders, overall budget, um and as well as any risks that we foresee in the next 552 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:12,240 couple of months on that project and what we're doing to mitigate those risks 553 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,520 and to keep the project moving in the right direction. And then when all that 554 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,400 construction is said and done, we're here to help you guys with close out, 555 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,560 helping you transition from a construction zone to an occupied jail. 556 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:26,400 And so we'll be helping with warranty oversight, making sure that the on andm 557 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,599 manuals are collected and given to your facilities department, whoever is 558 00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:33,760 maintaining the facility, making sure that they have an understanding of what 559 00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:37,359 is there now, what if there are any new systems that might need training or, you 560 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,960 know, new equipment, we'll make sure that they're trained up on that and to 561 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:46,640 make sure that they can take on this facility for years to come. 562 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,440 And understanding that the budget is is very tight on this project, I wanted to 563 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,200 take a moment and share a case study with one of the counties that we've been 564 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,880 working with um which is Kaufman County just across the metroplex. Um we were 565 00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:00,319 able to come in kind of late to the game. Um they were kind of in a in a 566 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:04,400 situation where they had let go of a general contractor and was way over 567 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,160 budget and so they brought us in and we were able to kind of take a a pause to 568 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:12,319 the project, take a proactive approach and we were able to actually save them 569 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:16,400 15% on their overall budget. uh we were able to come in and you know figure out 570 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,920 what the actual scope of work is, work with the architect to provide more 571 00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:24,240 detailed drawings. So that way when we put the project back out to bid, we had 572 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:28,240 a a better scope definition which got rid of any assumptions that the general 573 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:32,400 contractor had to make. Um also early procurement is always um something we 574 00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:36,160 find very successful. Uh they had some ARPA funding that they had to um spend. 575 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,559 So we were able to actually order their HVAC equipment ahead of time which 576 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,839 helped us on the schedule. Um, I know that data centers are kind of buying up 577 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:48,240 all of the resources right now. So, anything that we can do to get ahead of 578 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:52,400 that, um, helps tremendously. And then when proposals come in, you know, we we 579 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:59,040 need to review those quickly and get them approved or, you know, rejected and 580 00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:02,800 figure out a path forward. >> What year was that? Kaufman County, 581 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,599 » we are actually just ready to finish that in May this year. 582 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:16,000 » All right. Thanks, Tyler. Um, that was our slides that we had. I kind of have 583 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:20,960 some closing comments, but uh, do you want to do Q&A first and I can close 584 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:27,920 after the Q&A? >> Did you say fulltime onsite oversight? 585 00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:35,920 Tell me that. Is that full-time? Is that from 7 to 5? You got somebody there? 586 00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:39,440 » You said full-time on-site oversight? >> Yes, sir. So, we try to have somebody 587 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:44,000 there. um whenever the construction site is open. So, typically we try to keep 588 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:47,040 construction sites open um depending on schedule about the hours that the county 589 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:53,280 is open. So, usually 8 to 5 and so we'll have a representative on site full-time 590 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,920 » coming where where's your staff located? Where would they be coming from? 591 00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:01,040 » We have staff all throughout the DFW Metroplex. 592 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:05,280 » Okay. So, from Dallas or >> Yeah. So, I live just south of Dallas. 593 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,000 Uh we have some people in Fort Worth and some people on the north side of Dallas 594 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:13,119 as well. >> Okay. So it's not not you three that 595 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,440 will be here. It's somebody else on your staff. 596 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:19,280 » Yeah. >> One of you three. 597 00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:25,920 » Yeah. So let me back up just a little bit. So, ideally with this type of a 598 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:31,200 quick, not not quick, but a fastm moving expansion to an existing jail, I think 599 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:35,680 it's in the owner's best interest to have somebody there making sure that 600 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:40,000 everything is is being controlled. >> Um, however, we haven't met with you yet 601 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:44,000 to decide if that's really the best approach for you as well. So, we say 602 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:47,520 that because that's kind of best practice. 603 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:53,760 » Um, you know, Tyler's in walks a Hatchee. Uh Caleb's uh in between. Um is 604 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:58,640 he in is he still in Benbrook? >> Hazel. 605 00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:02,720 » Hazel. Um and you know Caleb's the guy that we have in the uh in the proposal 606 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:08,480 there that would be on site. Currently he's he's on site uh in Ellis County. Uh 607 00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:13,920 they just opened a new district court and uh two other new courtroom or one 608 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:19,359 other new courtroom um in an occupied facility. And so he was there. I mean, 609 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:23,119 the judge said that if like he got if there was a problem, he was going to put 610 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:30,640 Tyler in contempt. And so Tyler was there. And uh so yeah, we you know, 611 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:36,079 you're you're going to see the the this is your leadership team, Commissioner, 612 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:40,400 » and Cameron's got decades of justice experience. I've got decades of 613 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:44,480 construction and and owner relation experience. 614 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:48,480 He's got a decade of of uh construction, hands-on experience, and a lot of 615 00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:52,079 experience presenting to Kaufman County, presenting to Ellis County in 616 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:56,079 commissioner's courts, updates, things like that. We're we're we're going to be 617 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,599 involved, but the dayto-day guy that you'll see is Caleb. 618 00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:02,800 » Caleb. >> Okay. And he's in Ail. 619 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:08,680 » Yes, he grew up in Ail. Um he wants to move to Waka Hatchee, but uh he hasn't 620 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:08,680 moved yet. 621 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:17,440 » Yes. Yeah. So, I've worked with Todd Little 622 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:22,559 for going on three and a half years now. >> Call him up. 623 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,599 » Yes, sir. >> Yep. Todd and I have worked very closely 624 00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:32,000 together. Worked with both of his chief of staffs, um, Ryan and Eric. So, know 625 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:36,640 them both very well. >> Who you work with? 626 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,400 » So, we work with the purchasing agent, the facility director, and then Judge J. 627 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:45,119 Jake Allen. And then Ski, uh, Commissioner Ski 628 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:50,800 Phillips. >> And you could call that, too. 629 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:56,760 » Who was that? You said it was Judge Allen and Commissioner who? 630 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,760 » Uh, Ski Phillips. 631 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:05,520 » Yeah, that that project is uh wrapping up here in the next couple months. uh 632 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:09,440 they took their original courthouse and they're 633 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:15,119 repurposing it uh for commissioner's court but also for administrative 634 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:19,440 needs and it wasn't a full historic they don't have a a beautiful courthouse like 635 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:24,000 you all have um no offense to their courthouse but it's just built in a 636 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:28,800 different time and uh anyway that's that's about to wrap up and uh again 637 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:33,680 that that full kind of that on-site presence has has really brought a lot of 638 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:38,319 value and also brought a good value in the in the in what that costs 639 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:42,000 » about county. Did y'all do anything on the Archer County Gilmer? 640 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,240 » No, sir. >> You didn't do anything on that jail? 641 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:51,520 » No, sir. >> Or courthouse? 642 00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:56,960 » No, sir. >> How How does your firm ensure complete 643 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:03,839 independence as an advisory agent without affiliating with the 644 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,839 architects, contractors, or subs? 645 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:11,280 How do how do we how do we keep our uh 646 00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:17,440 » independence? >> No, no conflict. Yeah, absolutely. Um 647 00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:23,760 that's mission critical. I mean, we represent you and your tax dollars and 648 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:29,920 your your citizens tax dollars. There's there's no conflict of interest with uh 649 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:34,520 architects or GCs. I mean we couldn't we couldn't do the work that we do if there 650 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,520 was 651 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:44,079 » you mentioned um change orders. So what do you how do you 652 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:47,200 manage those? >> Yeah. Yeah. So when a problem is 653 00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:50,640 identified in the field um instead of just having the contractor, you know, 654 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,640 take reins and price it, we like to be involved and understanding what the root 655 00:54:52,480 --> 00:55:00,160 of the the cause is and then we'll work with the staff um the commit the county 656 00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:02,800 staff, architectural team and as well as the general contractor to put all our 657 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:07,760 heads together to find the best path forward. When a change order is needed, 658 00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:12,559 um we will review that um against the contract, against the specs, the plans, 659 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:16,240 making sure that it is actual cost and that it aligns with the contract. And 660 00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:20,400 then if need be, if we need to come and present that change order for a change 661 00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:24,160 to the commissioner's court, we will. Um contingency is your money. It's not our 662 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:27,599 money. It needs to be approved by you guys before we spend it. So the way I 663 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:30,640 look at it is I don't have any money for change orders unless you guys give me 664 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,640 the permission to go ahead and make that change. 665 00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:44,640 I think one other thing, Commissioner, on uh change orders is 666 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:49,200 working with uh Wayne and his team in pre-construction. 667 00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:53,040 We'll do a real thorough review of of the drawings and specs from a 668 00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:57,200 contractor's lens before it goes out to bid. I mean, I've spent 30 years 669 00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:02,079 building stuff and been on the other side of being a contractor for 23 of 670 00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:07,599 those years. and we'll look at that stuff to uh tighten up the drawings as 671 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:13,599 as he said and make sure that we get as much uh RFIs and things out of them 672 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:17,680 early as possible. Sometimes we hit unforeseen conditions. You know, I think 673 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:22,000 on this site we really got to study the soil and make sure we got the right 674 00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:28,160 geotech engineer and we've got a really good soils report and a good foundation 675 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:32,319 design. um you know, we've got some stuff going on in that area with the 676 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:38,000 soil conditions. So, pretty much everywhere. But you you just got to go 677 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:42,240 into it eyes wide open. Um >> you mentioned earlier that you thought 678 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:45,680 that the biggest risk was that the jail is operational while you're doing this, 679 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:51,599 but it sounds like you just mentioned another risk about the soil. 680 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:58,799 » Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think uh the jail operation is a short-term risk in 681 00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:04,799 terms of while the construction's going on, the soil and, you know, underground 682 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:10,000 piping and piping connections and things like that. That's a long-term risk. You 683 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:14,720 don't want to be here in 30 years, you know. Well, you know, probably I know I 684 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:19,599 probably won't be here in 30 years, but um uh you know, and have have a new 685 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:23,040 sheriff's like, man, I got all this, you know, things going on in my jail. Like, 686 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:28,880 we got to build it so that's structurally sound for, you know, at 687 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:34,319 least I don't know. I mean, most most are 50. any other risk besides the doing 688 00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:38,880 the construction while the jail is operational and the and the soil issues. 689 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:43,359 » I think understanding your budget, getting getting a good good estimate 690 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,480 early. I know you probably throwing some conceptual numbers together, but 691 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:50,240 starting to get real estimates around maybe what the concept design is that 692 00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:53,359 DRG is working on, understanding when this could go out to bid, taking a 693 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:57,200 really good look at the market to understand maybe if there are uh tariff 694 00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:01,280 issues that might have an effect and an impact on your project. So, I think 695 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:06,240 budget, you know, unless unless you all have a detailed cost estimate right now, 696 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:10,559 uh getting that set up, making sure that it all kind of aligns with the plan is 697 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:14,880 going to be another thing as well. These projects have gotten very costly uh in 698 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:21,240 the last three or four years, and so just making sure making sure we've got 699 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:21,240 the money to do what you all want to do. 700 00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:31,280 All right. Do y'all um It sounds I mean, you're using some of the words that are 701 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,280 Do you prescribe to project management philosophy? 702 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:40,799 » Yeah. I mean, >> do you have project management um folks 703 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:45,760 on your staff that are certified in project management or you 704 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:49,440 » Yes. Yes. I Yeah. I sorry. I I wanted to make sure I understood the question. 705 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:54,480 Absolutely. I mean that that's our bread and butter, you know, schedule, budget, 706 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:59,040 risk. >> I mean, it's that it's it sounds simple, 707 00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:04,559 but it's not, right? Those things are complicated and those things have to be 708 00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:09,119 well communicated, well understood. Um, you know, again to Cam's point, like we 709 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:13,119 have got to figure out like early on, we'll get we'll get with you all and, 710 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:16,559 you know, [snorts] what do what are the perceived risks? What are the what are 711 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:20,319 the risks? What are the blind spots that we need to identify early on so we can 712 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:25,200 start moving forward on those before they become a problem? Um, and just how 713 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,480 does that affect schedule? How does that affect budget? How those things 714 00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:33,599 intertwine? The monthly report that Tyler talked about, it's founded on 715 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:38,000 schedule, budget, and and risk. And I say schedule first because time is 716 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:42,160 money. And so, you know, as you're moving through these things in buyout 717 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:47,040 and procurement and, you know, getting things ordered, time is money. So, not 718 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,720 that we would force an accelerated schedule, but we're going to weigh all 719 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:54,799 the options and present you like options so that you can make informed decisions. 720 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,720 So why did >> Well, I was just going to say 721 00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:01,040 additionally I think part of that question we have multiple staff with CCM 722 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:07,359 and CMIT certifications as well through the construction management groups. 723 01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:15,760 » So what brought you to um respond to this RFQ? What was unique about 724 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:19,040 Hood County or your expertise that Go >> Okay, this is this is our bread and 725 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:24,000 butter. We love working with counties like y'all. Um, you know, Ellis County 726 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:30,079 has been, you know, I started working with Judge Little over five years ago, 727 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:35,359 um, before we brought Tyler on, uh, on kind of, he was on site for a while. Um, 728 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:40,880 and we did some master planning with them. Uh, you know, we're working with 729 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:45,599 Kaufman County, we're working with Williamson County, Hayes County, Colin 730 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,920 County. So, like this is our this is our wheelhouse, 731 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:52,160 » but why Hood County? >> Why Hood County? We have beautiful lake. 732 01:00:51,012 --> 01:00:59,760 [laughter] No, honestly, Commissioner, um what 733 01:00:55,839 --> 01:01:04,160 when I met you and uh you know, Hood County was all Granberry was always on 734 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:08,880 my radar because I knew it was a beautiful place to retire. And uh when I 735 01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:15,520 met you at that TAC conference with Judge Little and and Bode Decker and 736 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:20,480 Judge Bodecker, um I thought, "Wow, that sounds like a a a county that we could 737 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:25,359 we could we could help, we could serve." And so, um, when this came up, we were 738 01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:30,240 just like, we got we got the right team. We're right. We're close. We're not 739 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:33,760 here. We don't live here. I wish I did. Um, but, uh, that does that answer your 740 01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:37,160 question? >> Yes. Thank you. 741 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,319 » Presentation. Thank y'all. Thank you very much. 742 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:48,079 » All right, judge. Thank you. >> I'm calling Todd Little, too. Just 743 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:55,960 verify it. >> Please. Please. 744 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,960 » All right. Okay. Thank you. 745 01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,760 Okay. JMT. 746 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,079 » Thank you. 747 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,240 Good morning. >> Good morning. 748 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,040 » Come on up. >> Good morning. How are you? 749 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:47,119 » I'm going to speak from the podium so that whoever speaking can speak into the 750 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:49,200 microphone. We make a recording. So, 751 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:54,200 » okay, >> one at a time. Come on up there. 752 01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:34,280 Great. We're ready when y'all are. 753 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:45,520 All right. We'll go ahead and get started. Thank you uh for having us. My 754 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:50,319 name is Trevor Castillia and I'm with JMT and we're uh we're excited for the 755 01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:57,079 opportunity to present to Hood County on this uh gel expansion project and so 756 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,079 we're glad to be here. 757 01:03:57,689 --> 01:04:05,920 [clears throat] Go ahead. Uh so I lead our McKini office uh here in North Texas 758 01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:10,160 and it's my responsibility to manage the the contracting requirements for this 759 01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:14,799 contract. with me are our team of individuals that you al that also 760 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:19,599 included in the uh proposal that y'all have seen. Jordan Barber is going to 761 01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:23,680 serve as our project manager and Pablo Martinez is going to serve as our 762 01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:27,520 on-site construction manager. Unique thing about Pablo is he is actually 763 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:32,160 going to be moving to the area so that he can be on site every day as needed. 764 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:37,440 Then Anthony Simmons is going to serve as our uh project executive, managing 765 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:44,799 the the entire project process, ensuring that the commission knows what's going 766 01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:49,680 on with their project uh every month. A little bit information about JMT. Uh 767 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:56,000 so we've been in business for 54 years and so we have nearly 3,000 uh employees 768 01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:01,039 that are engineers, architects, project managers, inspectors and we have been 769 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:07,680 designing projects and building projects for government agencies for over 50 770 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:12,319 years. We have 50 offices. Uh we are ISO 901 certified which means quality is 771 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:16,000 extremely important to us and so getting that certification is important. So, we 772 01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:20,400 want to make sure that we deliver quality projects and service to the 773 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:24,799 county and the taxpayers. And what's unique about JMT, we have $5 billion 774 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:31,200 worth of facilities project management in the last five years. 200 million of 775 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:35,880 that has been uh on Texas public safety projects. And so, we're proud of that 776 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,880 record. 777 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:43,200 Locally, uh we've we've been in the area for 30 years. We work for government 778 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:50,079 agencies where you whether you're a city, a county, a university, or or the 779 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:55,359 uh state. All we do is service uh public agencies. We have almost 300 engineers, 780 01:05:53,280 --> 01:06:00,720 architects, project managers, and inspectors uh in Texas serving nine 781 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:04,880 different cities. And so I want to give our team the opportunity to present some 782 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:11,680 more information and ideas about your project and show how uh JMT is well 783 01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:11,680 suited for this contract. 784 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:25,680 uh to to keep expanding um on what our general company background is, we've got 785 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:30,079 a couple of uh project highlights here. Um these projects are uh referenced and 786 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:34,079 mentioned in our statement of qualifications. we wanted to take a 787 01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:40,319 minute just to to talk about them, but also uh focus on um our project 788 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:46,079 management approach as a whole. Just how we do business, how we represent you as 789 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:51,520 the owner. Um our primary clients throughout Texas and specifically in our 790 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:57,520 uh project management division are city and county governments. That is our core 791 01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:02,720 uh client base and not only jail facilities but all types of municipal 792 01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:05,760 facilities. So, while we do have jail experience and qualifications and we 793 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:09,920 understand you've got an architect that really knows jails as well, we think 794 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:15,039 that's a great thing. Um, our process is really our strength. The way we manage 795 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:19,200 the process, watch the funds. Um, we know that there's 24 million allocated 796 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:23,200 for this bond election and we've got to be smart with that money, make it go as 797 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:28,880 far as we can, uh, understanding that the facility existing needs some work as 798 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:35,520 well. So uh the Hayes County project was um beautiful project multi- uh faceted 799 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:40,400 multiah phases but very similar in the fact that uh Hayes County is growing a 800 01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:46,880 lot. It it needed a renovation of the existing jail facility plus the addition 801 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:51,280 of a new facility to keep up with the expansion and population growth similar 802 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:56,720 to Hood County. Um we were involved very early on that project uh to do uh bond 803 01:07:54,640 --> 01:08:00,079 facilitation so to get the bond program out there help develop the the 804 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:05,039 propositions and do some of the budgeting. Obviously in in this case 805 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:09,599 we're ahead of that. Um but we were involved in the actual procurement 806 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:15,720 solicitation selection qualification of the design and the ar uh design and the 807 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,720 contractor teams. 808 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:25,199 Then B County, uh, another county example. Um, this one is in Beville, 809 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:29,839 Texas. Um, a lot of similarities similarities with 810 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:36,000 this one as well. 51,640 ft square foot facility. It also had a 811 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:41,359 sheriff's office attached separate modular uh, construction, but um, 812 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:45,679 construction manager at risk delivery, which I think is something that uh, the 813 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:50,560 county has considered for the the Hood County Jail project. Um, we also did 814 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:55,040 owners representation, full project management, uh, package there, on-site 815 01:08:53,440 --> 01:09:02,000 construction management, which Pablo will be, uh, executing hopefully for for 816 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:06,480 Hood County. Um, you know, these projects, uh, being jails have a lot of 817 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:13,040 similarities, but we've also got another example, um, of local work. Um Tarlton 818 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:19,040 State University just down the road in Stevenville. We've got a really amazing 819 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:25,120 partnership with uh Tarlton and Texas&M University system. Uh we've done a three 820 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:29,359 we've had three renewals of one-year master uh service agreements with 821 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:33,440 Texas&M University system at Charlton State University. We currently have 822 01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:37,839 full-time on-site project management staff in Stevenville. That's going to 823 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:42,400 support Pablo if if we need it, if we need additional capacity. Um but we've 824 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:47,520 got what you're seeing here is a a convocation center um recently 825 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:52,159 completed. We've also done a health sciences center, a library expansion and 826 01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:57,520 renovation, a parking garage, and we're currently engaged in a large thousand 827 01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:02,719 bed dormatory project in Stevenville, Texas. So, local assets um really 828 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:08,400 amazing partnership and that's something that you guys could visit that uh if if 829 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:12,719 needed or if last name the maintenance director at Carlton. You know who I'm 830 01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:17,760 talking about? >> Louise, our on-site PM probably would 831 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:23,679 know. We we deal primarily with the FPNC Texas A&M out of College Station and 832 01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:28,320 then they link us up to the Stevenville uh facilities people. So, I'm one layer 833 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:33,199 removed from that technically, but we can we can get that info. 834 01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:36,400 » Previous slide you had Stevenville. Is this what you were referencing or is 835 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:38,560 there something else you're doing in Stevenville? 836 01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:42,880 » Previous >> I think that was B bill. 837 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:49,360 » No. Okay. Keep going back. >> She said Stevenville was listed as 838 01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:50,480 » one of your >> Yes. Correct. 839 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:56,800 » Okay. >> Correct. Yes. 840 01:10:52,560 --> 01:11:01,280 » Okay. was been a couple slides back. >> Okay. And so, uh, apart from from the 841 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:04,320 projects, uh, Jordan Barber as the proposed PM, he's going to talk about 842 01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:07,480 our proposed services and we'll watch the time. 843 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:14,480 » Have eight minutes. >> So, as as Trevor and Anthony uh showed 844 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:18,000 you, this isn't our first rodeo, but now, like he said, I'd like to get into 845 01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:23,600 more of the specifics of what we can do for you. So, like I will be the project 846 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:27,360 manager, my team and I, this is a a vast list of services. It's not 847 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:33,280 all-encompassing, but that we will provide to you to ensure this project 848 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:38,719 goes smoothly on time and budget from start to finish. 849 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:43,600 So with my personal municipal and military construction background, 850 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:48,159 dedicated service to my projects, their owners, and while also being a good 851 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:52,800 steward of taxpayer dollars is in my core foundation, and that would be the 852 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:57,280 same here in Hood County. So I've managed multiple barracks projects and 853 01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:01,920 combat zones that were very similar in construction as this, built in high 854 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:06,560 security environments, required extreme oversight and management. and that's 855 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:10,719 exactly what we could bring to the table for this one. So, our priority as your 856 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:15,520 owner agent is to manage every aspect of this project, design and construction 857 01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:20,560 for you and for the best value to the county. 858 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:24,719 We'll be your eyes and ears on site managing all the logistics, site 859 01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:29,440 security, reviewing and validating all paperwork, document control, as well as 860 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:34,239 co coordinating all the other things that the the contractor may not the 861 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:38,080 security equipment, audio, video, furniture, fixtures, equipment, 862 01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:43,520 materials testing, as well as coordination with utility providers, 863 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:49,040 city permitting, TCJS from from design through construction, 864 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:55,760 commissioning, closeout out all the way to final occupancy while providing 865 01:12:51,520 --> 01:13:00,560 timely updates along the way. So now I want to I want to focus on the 866 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:06,080 the cost controls that we can provide as I know that the budget is particularly 867 01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:10,000 u high priority here. So, just as this says, we'll be managing the budget as 868 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:15,360 early as possible in the design, advising you on your your construction 869 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:19,840 manager at risk selection to begin gathering budgetary numbers as early as 870 01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:25,440 possible and ensure the DRG is designing to the budget while also we could help 871 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:29,760 play any interference from possible scope creep that could try to be 872 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:35,280 inserted into this that could affect the budget as well as identifying risks if 873 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:40,719 there are potential risks as early and mitigating them as early as possible. We 874 01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:47,120 will thoroughly scrutinize every aspect of both the design and construction that 875 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:52,800 has any tie to the budget. Some additional details on that um you 876 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:57,280 can see up here. So, constructibility reviews are going to be key to 877 01:13:54,719 --> 01:14:02,480 minimizing change orders. And with Pablo as a registered architect's assistance, 878 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:06,400 together we will ensure that what get what is in the design will actually work 879 01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:09,760 in the field. We also work with the architects and contractors on a 880 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:14,000 continuous basis looking for value engineering opportunities throughout the 881 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:18,800 entire life cycle of the project. We will dissect every pay application and 882 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:24,080 validate all the backup documentation and and validate that it's actually what 883 01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:29,520 has been done on site as well as continuously validating the the the 884 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:33,920 construction project versus pro progress versus the schedule and ensure there's 885 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:38,159 no additional cost for delays or extensions. 886 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:41,760 For reference, this is another project of ours where we're the owner's agents 887 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:45,840 for the city of Salina on this $und00 million downtown center that is the 888 01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:51,040 centerpiece of their of their downtown square. And their biggest priority was 889 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:54,640 staying within the guaranteed maximum price GMP. 890 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:58,719 their contractor presented dozens of change orders that J&T meticulously 891 01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:03,600 scrutinized and vetted like I said we do through and just through this process 892 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:07,920 alone we've advised the owner to reject multiple of them that saved over 893 01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:12,480 $150,000 and we and on some of the other ones we 894 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:15,600 were able to save over $100,000 by identifying errors that they the 895 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:21,360 contractor had made in their quantity takeoffs scope ads and gaps and if we 896 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:25,280 hadn't have been there the owner may have just approved these 897 01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:30,640 and the GMP would have certainly been in jeopardy. Bottom line, all our 898 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:35,120 decisions, recommendations, and actions will be grounded in the county and the 899 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:38,320 taxpayers's best interest. >> I'm sorry, GMP 900 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,320 » uh guarantee maximum price. >> Okay. 901 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:50,640 » Okay. So there was a lot of words there, but 902 01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:55,679 can you just describe succinctly how you would manage the cost and then make sure 903 01:15:53,280 --> 01:16:03,360 there was no cost overruns because you you you used a lot of big construction I 904 01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:07,679 mean project management terminology and but just in layman's terms, how are you 905 01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:13,800 going to make sure that the project doesn't overrun the budget? 906 01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:13,800 » Oh, can you 907 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:26,320 Yes, ma'am. So, attention to detail is key and again vetting every every 908 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:31,199 pay, every RFI, every submittal and with also with the document review ahead of 909 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:38,719 time, knowing exactly what the pro the project entails and ensuring that the 910 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:45,280 contractor is meeting the specifications and you know that what that that it 911 01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:50,880 meets what the intent of the design is and there's no deviations that could 912 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,440 that could come with co additional cost impacts. 913 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:58,480 » So are you doing that just by reviewing reports? Are you 914 01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:04,320 » I mean would Yes. I mean, with my oversight, his on-site oversight, we 915 01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:10,400 have a direct connection to what's going on and ensuring that 916 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:17,520 that there's nothing that could go wrong to add cost. And if they try to claim 917 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:25,199 that, we will we will, you know, refute it. And if there is any way to 918 01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:27,760 to prove that there shouldn't be cost there. 919 01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:31,679 » Okay. And so how often will you be you or someone be on site? 920 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,600 » He could be on site every day. >> Could be or will be. 921 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,600 » Will be. >> Will 922 01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:44,880 or something like that. >> As long as I need it. As long as the 923 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:48,040 construction activity is there, I will be there. 924 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:55,000 » You would be traveling from >> No, I'll be moving here from Austin. 925 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:06,719 Thank you. >> As uh Jordan mentioned, one of the key 926 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:12,080 responsibilities of owner's agent uh field agent is to 927 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:18,080 review project drawings from initial design through the final completion to 928 01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:24,880 identify potential cost savings and uh prevent additional cost expenses. 929 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:29,600 relevant example is the um water utility fleet maintenance facility in El Paso, 930 01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:35,920 Texas. During their design view, I noticed that they designed uh included a 931 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:42,400 top running crane running the length of the building. Uh drawing from prior 932 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:48,640 experience, I advised the team to if the hook height or the lift uh of the crane 933 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:56,640 met owner's requirements. After further study, the owner and the architect 934 01:18:52,159 --> 01:19:01,679 uh decided to uh increase the size or the height of the building and also the 935 01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:06,480 height of the crane to meet their requirements. 936 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:11,440 Also identified was a insufficient steel support for a movable partition over the 937 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:18,080 break room. Uh by identifying these early uh the team resolved costly change 938 01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:23,040 orders and in this case uh the crane system uh could be used to its full 939 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:28,159 potential at the Air Paso uh airport uh 940 01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:34,400 international airport. The project was highly complex. Uh a com a comprehensive 941 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:41,679 logistic meeting was held with the construction team and key stakeholders 942 01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:46,159 uh to address the security protocols in the sterile and the non-sterile areas of 943 01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:52,719 the airport. Material storage requirements for each phase. Sequencing 944 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:58,080 sequence of of uh phases including the construction of temporary check-in 945 01:19:55,040 --> 01:20:03,840 baggage. Demolition of existing check-in baggage, new check-in baggage facility, 946 01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:09,920 the back of house renovations, and finally the demolition of temporary of 947 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:16,880 check-in baggage. Operational consider uh operational during normal peak hours 948 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:22,880 including high peak seasonal were considered to minimize passengers 949 01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:26,800 disruption and stakeholder activities. Effective logistic planning was 950 01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:32,800 instrumental in meeting projects objectives uh aligning stakeholder needs 951 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:37,840 and maintaining a tight construction schedule. Through detailed cost 952 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:45,040 estimating and analysis, we achieved a cost savings uh exceeding $100,000 uh 953 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:50,800 dollars. Building on these experience, we applied 954 01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:57,440 a similar proactive approach to Hood County by conducting a thorough review 955 01:20:54,159 --> 01:21:03,199 of ex existing conditions, coordinating inmate relocation, establishing an 956 01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:09,760 efficient renovation sequence, prioritizing HBAC and plumbing systems 957 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:15,280 upgrades, and addressing ceiling heights constraints and if necessary, structural 958 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:21,520 or insecurity enhancements. ments maintaining facility operations while ma 959 01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:27,040 m managing a controlling renovation cost. 960 01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:30,800 And of course adding to this, I will be there 961 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:36,000 uh during construction activities to report to uh Jordan. 962 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:41,280 Um, I'll be there for 963 01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:47,120 uh inspections, special inspections, uh, reviewing submittals, making sure 964 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:53,360 that the construction is per 965 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:58,920 uh, construction documents. Thank 966 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,920 » you. 967 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:10,560 Are you moving yourself to Granberry? >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I mobile 968 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:13,040 » to Granberry. Yes. >> Yes. 969 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:19,520 » Not to Stevenville. To Granberry. >> No. To Granberry. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 970 01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:26,159 » So, um, what do you see as the top risks facing Cood County with this project? 971 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:32,719 I see budget as as most of my projects that I'm currently um uh handling right 972 01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:35,120 now is is a budget uh issue. >> Yeah. 973 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:40,239 » Okay. >> Um what about the um you mentioned kind 974 01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:45,600 of went over it with the baggage example, but it's a little different 975 01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:49,199 with the jail, but so where you had to handle a phased approach where the 976 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:53,600 jail's operational while you're in construction. And how did you handle the 977 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:56,960 security compliance during that project? 978 01:22:54,800 --> 01:23:04,159 » Well, first of all, we have to uh familiar familiar size with the the 979 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:09,920 protocols of the of the security with with the uh you know, whoever the is 980 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:16,239 managing security at the at the jail and what are those protocols 981 01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:20,520 and then and then uh broadcast that to the construction uh team. 982 01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:30,320 But certainly uh a a logistics was was certainly uh uh we'll we'll do a 983 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:32,960 logistics on on on these on these matters. 984 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:38,960 » So have you had that situation before where you had a jail that was occupied 985 01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:46,000 while adding on to >> uh No. No. 986 01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:50,080 Have you we have some documents online um that 987 01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:53,840 about the jail. Have you guys reviewed those? 988 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:56,840 » Yes. Uh some of it. Yes. >> Yeah. 989 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:09,120 » Do you have an example? How would you handle change orders? 990 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:15,040 change orders are um actually uh brought up on the field and 991 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:21,280 so the the the uh they look at the problem what the situation is lack of 992 01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:28,960 for example drawing details for example that there's no details on it uh or 993 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:35,440 unforeseen unforeseen things in the in the field then I I looked at those and 994 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:43,120 then I take a cost analysis on it and then I forward over to um Jordan. Jordan 995 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:48,880 will then uh do more cost analysis on that and then and then uh when the 996 01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:56,080 superintendent and his contractor gets their their 997 01:24:53,280 --> 01:25:01,040 change order in, then we'll we'll uh analyze the change order and then and 998 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:06,400 then have the architect approve or whoever is in charge. So what's the 999 01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:11,520 process of informing the court kind of not just but change orders but for 1000 01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:16,800 project for the status what's your process? 1001 01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:22,800 » Uh well actually the the process would be uh through through Jordan would would 1002 01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:29,600 answer that that question but as as a field guy I know what what what 1003 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:33,600 the work is in entails the work and material. 1004 01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:36,560 » Okay. And so I look at at how many men it was going to take, how many hours it 1005 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:41,280 going to take, how much material it's going to take, and then I take a cost 1006 01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:44,639 estimate of from my experience and from other 1007 01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:50,480 sources, >> and then I send it over to Jordan, and 1008 01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:52,480 then Jordan will will distribute that. >> Yeah, 1009 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:56,000 » Jordan. >> So maybe I was asking the wrong person. 1010 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:58,239 So what's the process for keeping the court informed? 1011 01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:04,560 » Yes, ma'am. I mean we we can actually tailor that to however you would like. I 1012 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:09,760 mean obviously any cost impacts we would want to notify you say hey they are 1013 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:14,080 claiming this. We are go what I also want to say we have no problem being the 1014 01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:20,480 bad guy. Okay contractors we love them but we need them but you know sometimes 1015 01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:25,840 they're they're in have self-interest and so so you will absolutely be 1016 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:32,239 notified that they are claiming this. Again, we will go through it with a fine 1017 01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:39,040 tooth comb, validate their claims and and then we will have a discussion 1018 01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:42,000 about what to do with it and how does this work with the budget and what you 1019 01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:46,400 know what are the implications >> and I mean just overall for the entire 1020 01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:50,400 project what not just change orders I know that was where I started but how do 1021 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:55,440 you keep the court informed of the >> Yes ma'am we do we do weekly reports 1022 01:26:52,159 --> 01:27:00,080 monthly reports I mean we have we have a Procore. We use Procore which is a 1023 01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:05,360 online where we where we have all everything filed that you can go in at 1024 01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:08,000 any time and and pull things, run reports. 1025 01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:11,679 » We would do that. >> No, you don't have to. You could, 1026 01:27:09,580 --> 01:27:16,800 [laughter] but we will we can provide certainly weekly reports, daily reports. 1027 01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:22,880 It is again we can tailor it to exactly how you would like to be informed. But 1028 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:28,719 certainly any any changes, major issues we would I would bring to your attention 1029 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:32,560 as I handled them. >> Okay. Any other risks that just um you 1030 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:36,719 mentioned when I asked what the tough risks were, you said someone said 1031 01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:40,120 budget. I guess Pablo did. Was there anything else? 1032 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:48,719 I mean the the budget is is is going to be tight but that's why I 1033 01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:53,040 said we we have to make sure we design through the budget and not vice versa. 1034 01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:56,639 Um as far as other risks again the 1035 01:27:54,400 --> 01:28:03,040 logistics will be you know will be unique but we nothing we can't handle 1036 01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:09,880 and yeah I think other than that I don't see 1037 01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:09,880 any major risks. 1038 01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:22,080 » All right. Thank you very much. >> Very good presentation. Thank y'all all 1039 01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:26,719 for coming down. All right. Appreciate it. Thank you. 1040 01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:29,719 » Okay, Sheriff. The last one. Brous and Associates. 1041 01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:06,199 Come on down, gentlemen. 1042 01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:16,239 » Y'all have a seat. One speaker. One at a time will come to the podium and use the 1043 01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:20,000 microphone. We make a recording of it. So, 1044 01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:23,880 if you have a handout, we'll be glad to receive it up here. 1045 01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:36,920 Thank. Okay. Thank you very much. 1046 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,880 » Good deal. Thank you. 1047 01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:58,440 Yeah. 1048 01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,440 Okay, please. >> Yes, sir. 1049 01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,600 » Good morning, >> honor. Good morning. Thank y'all. Uh 1050 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:06,719 we're honored to be here today. Paul Webb, the chief operating officer of 1051 01:31:03,679 --> 01:31:12,000 Broaden Associates. We're in Austin, uh headquartered in Austin, Texas, but uh a 1052 01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:17,199 Texas ccentric firm, Morning Bread. Our first job was for Williamson County, a 1053 01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:23,040 jail expansion project 25 years ago. So, just an honor to be here this morning 1054 01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:28,800 and discuss how our firm we think is well suited to help you deliver the gel 1055 01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:33,280 expansion project over the next uh 18 months or so. U want to start with 1056 01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:37,719 introductions. I'll let my team come up and introduce themselves. Okay. 1057 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:43,040 » Good morning everybody. Thanks a lot for having us. We're excited about this 1058 01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:46,000 opportunity. My name is Steve Cook and I'm going to be the program manager for 1059 01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:51,040 this project. I'm local, one of the local people here. Um, and I come from 1060 01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:53,840 your side of the table from 34 years. I've worked at several different cities 1061 01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:58,800 over the last several years, Arlington, Fort Worth, Rowlet, and some other ones 1062 01:31:55,920 --> 01:32:02,960 here and there. Um, I did public works director and and um property management 1063 01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:07,199 director and things of that nature. And so I really admire you for getting to 1064 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:11,120 this point. I were in the the the bond elections from 2018 for Fort Worth and 1065 01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:14,159 2022. And so I know the scars and bruises it takes to get to this place 1066 01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:19,199 where we are today. So you're to be commended for that and that's a great 1067 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:22,800 that's a great thing. Um, one of the things I wanted to um talk 1068 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:28,960 about too is my relationship with Brus in 2020. I had to um we had I had my own 1069 01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:33,600 team of four architects and and four or five um project managers, but we had a 1070 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:36,480 big old project coming up on the on the convention center. It's $150 million 1071 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:40,080 project and we just didn't feel like we had the expertise for that. And so we 1072 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:43,920 went out for solicitations just like you're doing today and um we we made our 1073 01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:47,679 selection and my selection was brought us at the time and you if you're 1074 01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:50,719 familiar with 2020 you know what happened with COVID and all the things 1075 01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:54,639 and materials you couldn't get them and all that and so that was extremely 1076 01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:58,719 difficult project and I had to work very very very tightly with one of the people 1077 01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:03,120 that he's not here today but he's one of the ones that be with us too his name is 1078 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:06,480 David Crabtree and um it was a fantastic relationship that we built going through 1079 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:10,639 the trenches together you know to get that project built and um and all the 1080 01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:14,159 experts that brought us had that came in to help us with anything any eventuality 1081 01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:17,840 that came up, they had somebody there to help me and take care of me. So now that 1082 01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:22,080 I'm not in the public sector anymore, it was pretty easy choice for me to come um 1083 01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:28,360 do something that brought us uh so I'm honored to be here. Um can't wait to be 1084 01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:28,360 on this project with that. 1085 01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:36,719 » Good morning. My name is Brett Edmonson. Um, I have been in construction for 17 1086 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:41,840 years and of those 17, um, I've been an owner's rep for 12 of them. Um, I 1087 01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:47,840 thoroughly enjoy what I do and something that I've learned in those 12 years is 1088 01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:52,719 my passion to, um, really look out for the ownership and the project itself and 1089 01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:57,679 all of that and deliver it to you um, based on um, how it's designed and 1090 01:33:55,280 --> 01:34:01,600 within your budget and and schedule. So anyway, thank you very much. 1091 01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:11,199 Good morning. Uh Jack Judy, uh the chief estimator for Broadus and Associates. Uh 1092 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:18,320 35 years uh in the construction business, 18 years with Broaden 1093 01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:24,719 Associates. Uh my passion is uh taking care of owners money, taking being a 1094 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:31,760 good steward of the project. Uh open communication 1095 01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:38,159 constantly constantly uh giving feedback uh about the project about its place in 1096 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:43,280 uh the cost cycle of the project. We plan to do exactly that on this project 1097 01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:46,480 and uh thank you for the opportunity. Look forward to getting started. 1098 01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:57,520 Good morning. My name is Glenn Dver. Uh I have 34 years of experience 1099 01:34:55,040 --> 01:35:04,239 um both as a design lead on the architecture side and construction 1100 01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:10,800 management uh project management. Um most of my work has been for jail on 1101 01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:16,480 jails. I have 24 plus jails and sheriff's offices I've done and been 1102 01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:21,840 involved with. Uh this includes mostly county jails uh and sheriff's offices. 1103 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:26,880 Uh in that time I've learned a lot of things about detention and corrections. 1104 01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:30,639 Uh probably most importantly for you, I've learned what not to do and I'll be 1105 01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:35,600 working with you on your design and planning review. Thank you. 1106 01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:40,639 » Next slide, please. you saw in our proposal and again on the 1107 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:44,880 handout we've got on the leave behind our organization chart u a couple of 1108 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:50,719 couple of names I want to point out on this uh uh Steve mentioned David 1109 01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:55,360 Crabtree David had a pre-planned uh um spring break trip and couldn't be here 1110 01:35:52,400 --> 01:36:00,639 but uh David is my market sector leader here in Fort Worth in this part of Texas 1111 01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:04,400 and look forward to you meeting him and then another gentleman that couldn't be 1112 01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:09,280 with us today Ben Wagner on schedule management We're going to talk some more 1113 01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:13,920 over the next 10 minutes about our best practices, our industry proven best 1114 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:18,400 practices. We're not a firm that just passes paper between the contractor and 1115 01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:24,239 the owner or the designer and the owner. We dig in and apply industry proven best 1116 01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:29,040 practices. Proactive schedule management being one of them. um just making sure 1117 01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:35,120 that the general contractor or the Seymar has teeth in the specification of 1118 01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:41,840 their contract that forces the schedule to be used as it's intended to be on a 1119 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:47,520 construction project. We understand the voters history on this uh bond, this 1120 01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:54,000 jail expansion bond. Uh we know the price uh the the value change between 1121 01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:59,679 the 24 election and 25. We also understand the cost to the county of of 1122 01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:05,920 moving inmates outside of the county and and and the the study that y'all did had 1123 01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:11,119 done for the costbenefit analysis and the money that can be saved over time. 1124 01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:15,520 But again, my point being, you know, the the staying within the budget and 1125 01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:20,639 staying on schedule is going to be very very important and we have tools in 1126 01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:26,719 place to ensure or at least mitigate the risk associated with cost and schedule 1127 01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:31,920 growth. Next slide. You ask uh in the in the invitation to 1128 01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:36,239 for the short list to talk about our services relevant experience, cost and 1129 01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:43,760 quality control and then our firm value and differentiators. Uh, next slide. 1130 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:50,080 Uh, again, uh, Texas firm 25 years, uh, celebration this year. We're the only 1131 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:57,440 vet hub, uh, in the state of Texas. Vet hub being veteranowned. About 25% of our 1132 01:37:54,480 --> 01:38:02,320 150 employees, including my 27year career in the Navy Civil Engineer Corps 1133 01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:08,719 and CBS. Um so very take a lot of pride in what we do uh for the state of Texas 1134 01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:15,199 and the we bring that um that mission mindset to our to our owners and uh so 1135 01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:21,920 just very proud very experienced firm average experience 25 years and u uh so 1136 01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,920 next slide. 1137 01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:36,960 As I mentioned in my introduction, I'll be reviewing documents. Our team will 1138 01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:41,840 look at things and make sure we identify issues and code compliance and make sure 1139 01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:45,440 it meets standards and all of those things we're going to do. Uh because 1140 01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:49,360 it's so important because you're going to if you're going to save money, you 1141 01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:53,360 want to do it before the dirt's turned. And so that's where we can find savings. 1142 01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:59,760 That's where we can do reviews to make sure those things happen. Uh we'll look 1143 01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:04,800 at at things like uh systems, control systems. Control systems on jails are 1144 01:39:02,639 --> 01:39:09,280 very important. You can't shut down. So it's so important that the people who 1145 01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:13,040 manufacture your controls have texts that are within driving distance and get 1146 01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:17,440 quickly. So those are the kind of things you want to think about. Also, software 1147 01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:22,400 nowadays, the way they get you is by updates. And so you want to find 1148 01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:25,760 something that includes updates that so it'll cut costs. So we're going to be 1149 01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:31,040 looking at those type of things. We're going to be reviewing for issues um and 1150 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:35,280 try to find uh efficiencies where possible. Um we'll be looking at budget 1151 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:40,000 management and and Jack will speak more to that later on. And especially we'll 1152 01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:44,159 be looking at the delivery method. Uh we're familiar with writing RFPs and 1153 01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:48,080 you're going to need to get the contractor in as soon as you can. That 1154 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:52,239 way they can start giving you numbers and you start looking at schedules and 1155 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:56,719 realities and everything becomes more clear faster. So Jack's going to share 1156 01:39:54,400 --> 01:40:02,239 more with you about this in just a moment. Next slide. 1157 01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:08,000 Um, one of the other things I'd like to just 1158 01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:14,000 hit on is reviews of the schedule. We're is so important that we establish those 1159 01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:19,520 design related schedule elements. so many times are overlooked, but it drives 1160 01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:23,560 the schedule early on. And so we want to make sure we mention that. Jack, 1161 01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:33,440 » thank you. Uh, one of the early things that we would do uh, as estimators would 1162 01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:37,679 come in, verify your budget. Job one, make sure that whatever has been 1163 01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:43,440 established is adequate for building your program. uh in the eventuality the 1164 01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:49,920 value engineering is needed. We would look at every process in every system 1165 01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:55,119 across the the project's life cycle. Uh is this project supposed to be uh 1166 01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:58,800 concrete poured in place? Is it supposed to be pre-cast? Is it supposed to be 1167 01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:03,360 modular steel? We'll look at all of those options, uh present those to you 1168 01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:08,560 as the owners, and allow you to make qualified and uh appropriate choices for 1169 01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:15,440 your program. uh as I said, you know, it's important 1170 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:22,080 for us to uh get in involved early uh verify that budget that will then uh 1171 01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:27,440 guarantee or come closer to guaranteeing uh quality outcome at the end of the 1172 01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:32,239 project. Thanks. >> Next slide, please. [clears throat] 1173 01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:37,280 So, I will be the uh main point of contact on a daily basis for the project 1174 01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:41,199 itself while under construction. Um, my job is charged to oversee that 1175 01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:46,239 contractor, make sure they're building things per design, per specifications, 1176 01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:51,679 um, following the rules, um, getting the appropriate testing done, um, etc. Um, 1177 01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:54,880 reviewing pay applications, making sure they're appropriate. We're reviewing 1178 01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:59,520 change requests, making sure they're appropriate or not. Um, so it's kind of 1179 01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:04,480 the nuts and bolts of of the project as it's being built in real time, making 1180 01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:08,040 sure that we deliver that um on budget and on schedule. 1181 01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:17,360 » So in both our proposal and the handout you have, we've tried to lay lay out for 1182 01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:23,360 you the not only the work across the state of Texas, specifically in North 1183 01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:27,760 Texas, um, but also the specifics on jail and corrections facilities. We just 1184 01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:33,920 finished up last year for Halum City. We're still on a sheriff's expansion 1185 01:42:30,719 --> 01:42:39,040 expansion project in Rockwell County. Just a ton of experience. I won't repeat 1186 01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:42,800 a lot of that, but just uh just know we've got uh we've got the experience 1187 01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:47,199 that you need to bring those lessons learned and apply those to your project. 1188 01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:52,400 Next slide, please. Jack. Oh, excuse me, Steve. So, 1189 01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:55,679 budgeting and quality control. It feels like this is pretty much the definition 1190 01:42:53,840 --> 01:43:00,159 my of my career over the last three and a half decades. I what I had to do was 1191 01:42:58,639 --> 01:43:03,760 protect that budget just like you did. We built it and we had we had plans and 1192 01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:06,880 then once you get get into it, you have to protect that thing. And so um I think 1193 01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:10,000 that was a big part of what I was familiar with and what what was 1194 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:14,239 obviously very important to everything we touched. The quality control is also 1195 01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:18,159 very close to my heart. In my career, I've had to maintain over 400 buildings. 1196 01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:20,960 And so if you don't have quality control of your construction, you're not going 1197 01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:24,320 to be able to you're not going to have operational excellence in any program 1198 01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:27,920 that you have or any building that you have. Right? And so I've made every 1199 01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:31,119 mistake you can make. I've seen every every mistake that's been made. I've had 1200 01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:33,920 to come back behind somebody else that built something that I didn't have 1201 01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:37,840 anything to do with and the the mechanical systems upside down and 1202 01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:41,520 sideways and the pan's crooked and all those kinds of things. And so I'm here 1203 01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:45,440 to help make sure that what we what we put down is something that you can be 1204 01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:50,800 proud of and you can maintain for the next several decades. And Jack can talk 1205 01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:55,360 a little bit more about budget. At the risk of sounding like a broken 1206 01:43:53,040 --> 01:44:00,239 record, uh our early involvement as estimators is just hyper critical to 1207 01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:04,000 your project success. Uh early cost alignment will prevent those value 1208 01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:10,960 engineering exercises that could potentially happen uh as the project 1209 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:16,480 progresses. uh performs uh the early estimating and budget verification uh 1210 01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:23,600 will help with operational uh expense. We can do uh life cycle cost versus s 1211 01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:28,080 first cost analysis and it brought us uh we're unique in that we have we're able 1212 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:31,679 to do that inhouse and not reach out to the outside market to bring that 1213 01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:34,920 expertise in. So we look forward to doing that. 1214 01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:43,280 » Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. >> You're here that you have weekly onsite 1215 01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:45,679 representation? >> Yes, sir. 1216 01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:49,040 » What does that mean? Once a week you going to have somebody come out here? 1217 01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:52,560 » No. What we would propose to do, and I was going to address this, your honor, 1218 01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:56,639 uh, at the end of the presentation, but, uh, we were cautious. We we we ask 1219 01:44:54,960 --> 01:45:00,719 ourselves, you know, showing up with five people. We got 150 50 people in the 1220 01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:03,920 organization. I don't want you to think, and this is we've seen this before, 1221 01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:08,000 brought us, you're going to be expensive, send a big team. No, we want 1222 01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:13,360 to sit down with with you and your staff to rightsize our approach to this 1223 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:19,040 project. Whether it's Brett full-time as a project manager or maybe the answer is 1224 01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:24,560 it's 30 hours a week for Brett with with fractional support from Steve and from 1225 01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:30,480 Jack Judy and from Ben Wagner. It's making sure that we work with your staff 1226 01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:35,679 to rightsize our approach to guarantee or risk mitigate risk related to success 1227 01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:39,000 of the project. Does that answer your question, sir? 1228 01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:47,520 » Kind of. When I was building my house, I had my hand I built out the country so I 1229 01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:52,080 didn't have city ordinances and stuff. >> Yes, sir. And I had one of the hands 1230 01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:55,760 come out with a video camera every day. Even when it was raining, nothing was 1231 01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,520 going on. I wanted to see that nothing was going on that day. 1232 01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:03,119 » Yes, sir. >> But when they were doing it from morning 1233 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:07,679 and twice during the day, I had a video of everything going up at my house. So, 1234 01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:13,119 I almost had daily >> I had daily representation of what was 1235 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:17,600 going on. Do y'all see that? that's on a job like this to not have a daily 1236 01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:21,360 representative on the project. >> Oh, we absolutely do. And that's what 1237 01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:26,400 Brett is here. Uh that's that's would be Brett's role. Uh especially during the 1238 01:46:24,159 --> 01:46:32,239 construction phase. We think a lot of a lot of times what we've seen is the the 1239 01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:38,000 support of the design phase. You don't want somebody sitting here charging the 1240 01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:43,440 county money to to You can do design management, show up for specific 1241 01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:47,280 milestone meetings in person, but a lot of the design phase management is 1242 01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:49,040 different than the construction phase. >> Sure. Yes. 1243 01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:51,360 » But I'm talking about the actual construction. 1244 01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:54,880 » Oh, yes, sir. Absolutely. >> There'll be somebody on site. 1245 01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:56,719 » Yes, sir. Yes, sir. >> That would be Brett. 1246 01:46:56,159 --> 01:47:02,360 » Yes, ma'am. >> And where would he be coming from? Ter 1247 01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:02,360 County. 1248 01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:11,119 So, we've mentioned a couple of times our industry best practices, and it's 1249 01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:16,719 not just words. What I've got on the screen right now is quantifiable 1250 01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:20,080 savings. These projects, this is our top 10. 1251 01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:25,360 This represents 200% 1252 01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:30,239 return on investment to the owner of compared to our fee. In other words, 1253 01:47:27,199 --> 01:47:36,080 we've more than based on our approach, our application of industry best pract 1254 01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:41,119 practices, we've more than paid for our services to 2x on these top 10. Across 1255 01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:47,040 our 100 projects that are active today, about 80% of our in the aggregate, 80% 1256 01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:52,080 of our fee is returned to the owner based on our industry application of our 1257 01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:57,920 industry best practices. So, it's not just academic. It is we've 1258 01:47:55,280 --> 01:48:00,800 got quantifiable savings and we can talk about any of these that you'd like to 1259 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:05,159 talk about or we could talk about that more detail. Next slide. 1260 01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:10,480 Again, this our last slide. We're just honored to be here this morning. 1261 01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:16,000 Appreciate the opportunity to be shortlisted and have a visit with y'all. 1262 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:21,679 Um, we feel like we're the right firm for Hood County. We understand the 1263 01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:26,639 market. We understand uh working with local county 1264 01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:31,840 governments, city governments, uh the some of the challenges in the market 1265 01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:36,239 today with with u general contractors, good finding good general contractors 1266 01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:41,920 who are willing to bring resources to Hood County for this project. Um again, 1267 01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:45,840 extensive experience across the state of Texas. Te Texas is our home and we're 1268 01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:50,560 just honored to be here this morning. Now, open it up for any questions that 1269 01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,560 you have. 1270 01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:55,440 Have you >> Thank you. 1271 01:48:52,960 --> 01:49:00,400 » Have you um had a situation with one of these 1272 01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:04,880 projects that was a jail where the jail was operational but needed to be add on 1273 01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:10,320 added on to. Can you walk us through how you maintained security and compliance 1274 01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:13,360 during that project? >> And then you want to tackle that? 1275 01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:19,840 » Yeah. >> Um Kamal County is a good example of 1276 01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:23,840 that. occupied jail facility. Um there are several things you do. We don't want 1277 01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:29,520 you to We understand your greatest cost is staff. So we want to make sure you 1278 01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:34,080 don't have to add staff. Um building sometimes it's as simple as building 1279 01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:40,800 fencing and and including that in in the contract. Uh separation of the job site, 1280 01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:45,280 check in, check out of the job site for workers. Uh so there are protocols that 1281 01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:50,400 you put into place. Uh if you're building something, connections usually 1282 01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:54,400 come last. So the jail's functioning, you build the other piece, then you 1283 01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:58,639 build the connector so that you can keep those things separate. So they're 1284 01:49:55,920 --> 01:50:01,040 they're pretty scheduled out tightly uh for that type of situation. Does that 1285 01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:04,719 answer your question? >> Like plumbing and electricity, how do 1286 01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:08,400 you say the connections? >> Usually you usually you rough in 1287 01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:12,960 everything to where it goes and you do the same thing. You have a shutdown very 1288 01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:17,440 brief because shutdowns are are almost impossible. So, uh, you get everything 1289 01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:21,760 ready and then you just plug and play sort of, so to speak. 1290 01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:26,400 » Okay. So, what do you see as the biggest risk to this project in any I'm not 1291 01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:28,080 asking you in particular, just whoever want. 1292 01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:33,440 » Yeah. You know, I just um 1293 01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:38,560 I think cost growth, cost and schedule growth are the two significant, you 1294 01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:42,800 know, when you had the failed election bond election in November 24 and 1295 01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:49,840 essentially went back out a year later at half the at half the value. Um, and 1296 01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:53,600 of course, you know, with your with your what you're paying to send inmates out 1297 01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:58,800 of this county, cost and schedule management are going 1298 01:50:55,760 --> 01:51:05,119 to be the two most critical aspects. And um we've seen, you know, again, 1299 01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:10,480 we've we've we've had success in Tarant County and the surrounding counties uh 1300 01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:17,440 with good contractors, but we've also seen very incompetent contractors that 1301 01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:22,320 get hired by a county or a city and uh you know, can will the are the really 1302 01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:25,679 good contractors willing to either maybe they're here in Hood County already, but 1303 01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:32,800 are they willing to come out if they're not and and and to bring in an A team 1304 01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:38,800 and that's important as we work with your staff and and the design firm uh 1305 01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:44,880 DRG to develop either the general contractor 1306 01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:48,880 RFP or the Seymar RFP to make sure that we put teeth in that regard as I 1307 01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:55,760 mentioned earlier regarding the schedule schedule management but also help you 1308 01:51:51,440 --> 01:52:01,440 find the contractors that have built jails and expanded jails in in the past, 1309 01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:05,520 but also have the the capability to bring those assets to bear here in Hood 1310 01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:12,080 County. >> So, describe how your firm will commit 1311 01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:14,480 to prioritizing Hood County's project in connection with all of your other 1312 01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:19,440 projects. >> It'll be seamless. We don't There's no 1313 01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:24,960 prioritization. I mean, it is Brett will be here full-time. Again, we'll uh work 1314 01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:28,800 with your staff to to to negotiate a fee that's consistent with 1315 01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:35,920 the kind of support that's needed for the project. But all of our support um 1316 01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:40,400 as I mentioned, David Crabtree, Steve, Brett are all here in uh Tarant County 1317 01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:46,719 nearby. From a leadership perspective, our firm, 1318 01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:51,599 we take monthly briefs um and visit the job site as needed. Uh thankfully I've 1319 01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:56,400 got great staff scattered all over the all over the state that that manage that 1320 01:52:53,760 --> 01:53:00,719 effort. But uh at the CEO level, we pay attention to each project across the 1321 01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:04,719 entire company. Uh there's not it's really not a prioritization issue. It 1322 01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:07,119 because that's well we're just dedicated to the job. 1323 01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:10,320 » What would the communication look like back to the commissioner's court? How 1324 01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:15,360 often and what would it be? >> It'll totally be at y'all's request. 1325 01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:19,119 We'll we can communicate daily at at whatever level you want us to 1326 01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:23,760 communicate at. We can communicate at county commissioners spec formal county 1327 01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:30,000 commissioners meetings. We can update your county staff. Again, it's whatever 1328 01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:35,040 the y'all desire in terms of information flow. We don't want to do anything 1329 01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:38,080 without y'all's involvement in approval. >> So, you don't have a standard report 1330 01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:41,599 that you submit? >> We we do, but it varies from client to 1331 01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:45,119 client whether they want to see that on a weekly or a monthly basis. 1332 01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:53,840 » And what would be the key elements in that? Uh again, cost schedule, 1333 01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:59,360 um any type of anticipated delays, essentially just making sure that y'all 1334 01:53:55,599 --> 01:54:03,840 are always aware of any type of issues that would limit success on the project. 1335 01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:07,159 » Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. 1336 01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:15,679 » Thank y'all very much. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Good to meet 1337 01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:20,480 y'all. >> Yeah. Good. Thank y'all for coming out. 1338 01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:28,040 » Yes, sir. [clears throat] >> Okay, let's take a little break right 1339 01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:28,040 now. You want to go into 1340 02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:29,280 Okay, Commissioner's Court back in session at 11:08. 1341 02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:36,440 I'm here. Any commissioner wish to make a motion? I move that we 1342 02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:36,440 award Ketchel 1343 02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:46,320 as the RFQ 2026-04 1344 02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:51,920 construction manager owner agent. >> Second. 1345 02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:57,119 I second the motion. >> Any further discussion? 1346 02:07:53,199 --> 02:08:01,840 » Yeah, I I want I would like to add this. I would prefer to have some more time to 1347 02:07:59,599 --> 02:08:08,400 um follow up on what we've seen today 1348 02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:11,679 um and make the award at at a future court. 1349 02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:17,000 I know you got a motion on the table to vote on, but that's I'm just putting 1350 02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:17,000 that into the record. 1351 02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:27,760 » I agree with that that we talked about following up with references. 1352 02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:27,760 Haven't really had time to do that. 1353 02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:44,840 taking a couple weeks. Make sure we get this right. 1354 02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:56,639 » My motion. >> Okay. Motion with drawn. I hear a motion 1355 02:08:54,960 --> 02:09:03,760 in the table. >> So, um I'll move that we uh 1356 02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:07,480 reschedu this to have time to review uh what we've seen today. 1357 02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:16,960 » 3:24. That's the next course. >> That's fine. If you want a date certain 1358 02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:23,440 324 is fine. made by Commissioner Eagle to 1359 02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:27,840 uh to to reschedule a table until March 24, 2020 1360 02:09:26,079 --> 02:09:32,560 six commissioner court meeting. Second by Commissioner Annual Samuelson. Any 1361 02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:34,639 further discussion? >> All those in favor say I. 1362 02:09:34,159 --> 02:09:41,199 » I. >> All those opposed say nay. Motion is 1363 02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:44,819 granted is moves unanimously. Thank you'all all for coming down. 1364 02:09:42,799 --> 02:09:44,819 [clears throat] 1365 02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:50,639 Okay, Glenn, 1366 02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:54,599 you want to come up here and give us a short statement on this 1367 02:10:00,719 --> 02:10:08,000 item is receive presentations from and conduct Q&A with shortlisted vendors in 1368 02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:12,560 response to RFQ202603 P25 radio consultant. The court may 1369 02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:17,360 award an award at this time or at a later date. Yes, sir. 1370 02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:22,880 » Yes. Good morning. Uh so, uh similar to what we just did with the construction 1371 02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:29,360 management, uh we put out an RFQ for P2 P25 radio network consulting services. 1372 02:10:27,040 --> 02:10:34,480 And uh we have four of the four of the firms here today to give you a a 1373 02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:41,239 15minute presentation one at a time. And uh we'll move forward starting with TUSA 1374 02:10:37,679 --> 02:10:41,239 Consulting Services. 1375 02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:44,880 » Okay. 1376 02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:57,280 Do you have a list of how many different people? 1377 02:10:56,159 --> 02:11:00,280 » Just four. >> Four. 1378 02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:07,719 » Oh, okay. Oh, I see. Yeah. 1379 02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:54,456 Is it still morning or is it's getting close afternoon? Good morning. How you 1380 02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:58,480 doing? [laughter] 1381 02:11:55,199 --> 02:12:07,599 » It did. What amazing what an hour can do for us. Uh my name is Dean Hart um with 1382 02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:12,960 TUSA Consulting. Um please next slide. I've got Norm Fulier with me. Um Jeff 1383 02:12:10,639 --> 02:12:18,000 McN couldn't make it today, but the team you see on the board, two of us are here 1384 02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:24,239 and the third one's there. Between the three of us, we probably got a close to 1385 02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:27,360 120 years of experience. So, I always jokingly say if anybody knows why I'm 1386 02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:31,840 grumpy, it's because I've been doing this for a long time. So, next slide, 1387 02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:37,280 please. You know, why do we think people should hire TUSA? Uh from my experience, 1388 02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:42,159 I've sat across the room. I've been a customer dealing with what you're 1389 02:12:39,679 --> 02:12:45,760 dealing with today. Uh I've been on the vendor side, having built large 1390 02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:51,119 projects. I've been on the consultant side with a very independent 1391 02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:54,960 perspective. Um you I like to keep the lighter side. Uh if you ever want to 1392 02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:58,480 read a Still Water quote, I was asked by a commissioner one time if I was biased 1393 02:12:56,719 --> 02:13:04,159 and I told him I was. I hate all these vendors equally. So we truly are 1394 02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:10,400 agnostic. Um we're here to serve you and the citizens you serve as well. 1395 02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:16,079 Um, another reason of TUSA is uh, you know, we look at the worst case when 1396 02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:20,960 public safety's having their worst times is typically when something bad has 1397 02:13:18,159 --> 02:13:26,880 happened. And so we focus on power, connectivity, all those things that need 1398 02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:31,760 to work when times are worst in Hood County or anywhere. So I know you guys 1399 02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:36,000 have dealt with a lot of uh, flooding and different things in this state. You 1400 02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:43,599 know, it's it's sad to see that, but we focus on communications working reliably 1401 02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:47,040 when times are bad. Next, please. Um, again, our procurement 1402 02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:50,079 methodologies, we're vendor neutral. We're standardsbased. We're not the 1403 02:13:48,639 --> 02:13:53,760 engineering team that wants to come and reinvent the wheel. Um, we know how the 1404 02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:59,199 world's working out there. We've worked for the vendors. Um, in five years of 1405 02:13:57,199 --> 02:14:03,440 procurement side, we've been challenged five times. The vendors are 0 for five. 1406 02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:12,560 So, you know, the customer wins out on what they want to do. Next, please. 1407 02:14:08,159 --> 02:14:15,920 TUSA started in 1992. Um, uh, TUSA is actually not an acronym. It's a 1408 02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:21,360 gentleman's name. He was a founder, Nick Tusa. Um, he came off of the platforms 1409 02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:27,119 in the Gulf in the, uh, oil industry. Um, he lost a friend on a rig due to 1410 02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:31,840 poor communications. and it really kind of said his mention mission that public 1411 02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:38,400 safety needs to communicate and it needs to be reliable. So that was kind of the 1412 02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:42,560 founding principles. Next please. We're a company of first. I mean um I'm 1413 02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:47,119 leaving the proposal if you guys want to see that. But I mean we've done a lot of 1414 02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:51,040 things in the leading edge. Um uh we feel our competitors follow us in many 1415 02:14:49,119 --> 02:14:58,480 cases. So we're proud of those and mention those. Next please. 1416 02:14:55,760 --> 02:15:04,480 Um, TUSA was recently acquired by a company called ACG and that's literally 1417 02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:08,719 been within the last 30 days. Um, ACG is on the federal side of business. Um, 1418 02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:12,800 they do a lot of commercial work in the airports. They're they're deep into 1419 02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:18,239 Dallas. Um, they're doing a lot of custom uh, uh, border patrol work uh, 1420 02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:22,400 enhancing uh, mission critical communications along the border. Uh, 1421 02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:27,040 they bring a lot of engineering support to us consultants in the background. And 1422 02:15:25,119 --> 02:15:31,679 so we were we were happy with that merger. We're proud of that merger. Um 1423 02:15:29,599 --> 02:15:37,280 we look at them being a proud partner with us. Next, please. 1424 02:15:35,679 --> 02:15:42,960 You know, why is TUSA different specifically in Texas? Um we've worked 1425 02:15:39,599 --> 02:15:47,679 several projects in Texas. Um the recent one being the city of Waco. So Waco had 1426 02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:52,480 started out with their own radio system and then Mlennon County joined in. Um, 1427 02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:56,800 I'm seeing some similar things as I've read through your RFP and and as I read 1428 02:15:54,639 --> 02:16:00,960 through the Avesta report, uh, that we pulled just to get a little bit of 1429 02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:05,840 history of what was going on here and why you guys were looking at a 1430 02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:11,360 consultant. Uh, again, ACG has got a lot of Texas experience, too, to to back us 1431 02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:16,719 up if we need it. Um, I'm pretty sure we can handle this one. Um, next, please. 1432 02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:21,280 You know, I look at what you guys are doing and what I call decision point 1433 02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:26,000 crossroads. Um, you guys are really looking at how you want to handle your 1434 02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:30,800 public safety communication system for the next 15 to 20 years. Um, the life 1435 02:16:28,400 --> 02:16:38,000 cycle of equipment typically goes 15 to 20 years. We like to give you that road 1436 02:16:33,359 --> 02:16:42,319 map uh as part of that decision tree so a board such as this can sit there and 1437 02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:46,479 know what their costs are going to be and plan for that over the long term. 1438 02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:50,240 Um, we can tell you what the capital expense for something new or what 1439 02:16:48,319 --> 02:16:54,000 something's going to happen today, but you've got to plan for the long-term 1440 02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:58,080 sustainment of your radio system. Uh, you don't buy a new firet truck and not 1441 02:16:55,760 --> 02:17:02,559 change the oil. Um, you know, what we're finding out 1442 02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:07,040 anymore with the P25 standards is technology really isn't the primary 1443 02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:12,559 failure point anymore. It really is governance. [snorts] And, uh, so we know 1444 02:17:09,359 --> 02:17:17,920 that that's important. um the ability to make decisions for your public safety 1445 02:17:15,439 --> 02:17:23,519 group as well as potentially having a good partner um for cost savings because 1446 02:17:20,719 --> 02:17:27,760 this stuff is expensive and it has to be maintained and it's really a big IT 1447 02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:32,240 system anymore with radios off the end of it and so we think that that 1448 02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:38,960 governance is important. I mean, as a primary example, uh, Miami, the city of 1449 02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:42,719 Miami, uh, very, very independent, but they've been able to partner with Miami 1450 02:17:40,639 --> 02:17:47,280 Beach and Hyia to create a governance where they're all sharing radio system. 1451 02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:52,800 Now, there's cost savings in that, but there's also governance in that. And as 1452 02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:56,960 there they had a very goodou in place as that administration changed, the 1453 02:17:54,800 --> 02:18:01,920 administration didn't know the history and we're going back in now and helping 1454 02:17:58,719 --> 02:18:06,639 them tweak thatou uh get better pricing as a big regional system instead of a 1455 02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:11,280 bunch of little independent systems and uh we're helping them with an update on 1456 02:18:08,319 --> 02:18:16,000 that. So governance in my mind is a little bit evolutionary. Um it's got to 1457 02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:21,359 be consistently reviewed and maintained and updated as administrations change. 1458 02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:26,559 um to to let people know the history and and keep it carrying keeping that 1459 02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:30,399 partnership carrying forward, you know, and that's and part of that is 1460 02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:36,559 control. So, you know, your decision points from what we read, we we need to 1461 02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:40,559 evaluate the uh Granberry participation and how you guys are a part of that. Um 1462 02:18:39,359 --> 02:18:45,519 governance, authority, and decision-making control should be equal 1463 02:18:43,599 --> 02:18:49,280 partners in that. We want to we want to look through that and and give 1464 02:18:46,960 --> 02:18:53,359 recommendations. Again, life cycle sustainability. 1465 02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:58,719 Your investments got to be maintained. Um what are those long-term obligations 1466 02:18:56,399 --> 02:19:03,120 and really the ability to in so if if somebody's over the core, the ability to 1467 02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:06,960 influence that and make sure that the operations are made for your public 1468 02:19:04,880 --> 02:19:12,719 safety officials as well as anybody else that may be a partner of that system. So 1469 02:19:10,399 --> 02:19:17,200 we've seen this in in counties where multiple agencies are done across 1470 02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:21,519 multiple counties. Some cases the state of Minnesota is probably the the best 1471 02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:26,160 case. Literally that whole state is one big radio system including the 1472 02:19:23,439 --> 02:19:31,679 municipalities. Uh that's taken a long time and and they're they're at a 1473 02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:35,760 crossroads in similar ways you are. So how do we look at that? We 1474 02:19:33,439 --> 02:19:40,000 investigate. Um we interview and we inspect. So we want to see what your 1475 02:19:37,679 --> 02:19:46,639 current system is. We want to interview the operational users and the decision 1476 02:19:42,479 --> 02:19:50,319 makers to know what the goal is. Um look at the current governance and the cost 1477 02:19:48,479 --> 02:19:55,359 and how things were being done through the contracts. I mean that's that's 1478 02:19:53,040 --> 02:20:01,680 that's simple but it's we get into a lot of detail to uh g gather that 1479 02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:06,960 information and make uh recommendations that allow you guys to make informed 1480 02:20:03,439 --> 02:20:11,200 decisions. Next, please. What you will know at the end is we're 1481 02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:15,520 going to look at continuing current participation or do we to modify the 1482 02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:18,960 governance or do we pursue a hybrid model? You know, maybe they still got 1483 02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:22,160 their system and you got your system and they're still tied together and 1484 02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:27,280 everybody can interoperate but your manager and your resources, they're 1485 02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:32,160 managing theirs. opportunities for scale that other counties may be able to do 1486 02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:36,160 this or just transition to a county owned model and then you would proceed 1487 02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:43,359 to a procurement from the recommendations that we look to provide. 1488 02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:49,600 Next, please. So, we view this a 90-day completion. Um, we want to we want to be 1489 02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:54,160 a prioritized engagement. I'm not the fancy suit that comes in and impresses 1490 02:20:51,439 --> 02:20:58,160 you and hands another team. Two of your team members are right here. We welcome 1491 02:20:56,080 --> 02:21:04,160 detailed questions of how we're going to handle your project. Um, so that's 1492 02:21:01,359 --> 02:21:09,040 direct accountability to the team and then uh we'll give clear defensible 1493 02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:14,240 recommendations. I mean they'll be uh we speak it, we speak radio, we speak 1494 02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:20,800 boards. So we can we can sit there and provide that interpretation to you as 1495 02:21:16,800 --> 02:21:27,800 part of this project. Next, please. And uh I'm open for any questions you 1496 02:21:23,439 --> 02:21:27,800 guys may have as part of this 1497 02:21:29,680 --> 02:21:40,720 » last page of your document that you submitted. Um it sounded like you were 1498 02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:46,319 just stopping at the assessment phase. is it says this needs assessment report 1499 02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:51,520 will address system performance and then at the conclusion of that phase 1500 02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:56,160 county will be positioned determine whether to and then it talks about all 1501 02:21:54,319 --> 02:22:01,680 the other steps. >> So ma'am we we look at we we could we 1502 02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:06,720 can provide all that we can easily get you to the next phase where you're 1503 02:22:03,359 --> 02:22:12,399 operational. We like to prove ourselves first and then we sit there and provide 1504 02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:15,520 those next steps as part of that as part of that recommendation in the first 1505 02:22:14,399 --> 02:22:20,479 step. >> But we already did the assessment with a 1506 02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:25,040 you read that report. >> Yes ma'am. 1507 02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:29,280 So we're so you know when I we look at consulting in three phases I call it 1508 02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:33,680 needs assessment, procurement and then implementation. So we're we're still 1509 02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:38,800 coming in to do some level of needs assessment based on the technologies and 1510 02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:43,920 those different things. There will be recommendations and cost that then will 1511 02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:48,880 allow you guys to say I really want to go to option two and here's the 1512 02:22:46,319 --> 02:22:52,800 associated cost with that. At that point then if if you're happy with our 1513 02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:56,640 services which we believe you would be we'll continue on then and give you a 1514 02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:59,439 quote for that next step >> which is what 1515 02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:03,359 » would be the procurement side of it. >> Okay. because that's not what this last 1516 02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:05,439 page says. Or else I'm just reading it wrong. 1517 02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:08,479 » Well, you're you're reading what we're going to give you out of this this first 1518 02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:14,080 phase. >> Okay. What we needed based on the RFQ 1519 02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:18,000 was a full evaluation of the options with pros and cons and costs associated 1520 02:23:16,399 --> 02:23:21,760 with each one of those options. >> And that's that's what you're going to 1521 02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:26,640 get out of this. >> That's not what you're 1522 02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:32,800 that's what we call our needs assessment phase one. We come in and identify what 1523 02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:37,840 potential cost would be estimated cost. Next phase takes it to an RFP 1524 02:23:35,359 --> 02:23:42,720 procurement phase. That's what that means. Phase one, maybe it's not labeled 1525 02:23:40,319 --> 02:23:47,359 correctly. We apologize for that, but that's exactly what you said is what we 1526 02:23:46,319 --> 02:23:51,120 call our phase one. >> So, when we when we present to you at 1527 02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:54,000 the end of this, we're going to tell you what your options are and what those 1528 02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:57,040 costs are >> for each of the options. Yes, ma'am. 1529 02:23:55,600 --> 02:24:00,160 Which are what are the options in your mind? 1530 02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:07,359 um stay the course, um go on your own or or 1531 02:24:04,640 --> 02:24:10,479 potentially a hybrid of that. In my mind, those are really the the three 1532 02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:14,319 main options. >> Go on our own with what? 1533 02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:19,680 » So, you would own your own radio system and manage your own radio system. You 1534 02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:22,080 would not be a a partner with GRRN. >> Okay. And are there sub options within 1535 02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:26,800 there? >> Sure. And as we got we got to gather 1536 02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:30,319 some more data. I mean that's we we got to 1537 02:24:28,399 --> 02:24:33,920 you guys were high level that report gave some good information but that 1538 02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:40,560 report was talking I'm going to say more IT language than radio language and so 1539 02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:45,200 and that report was talking I'm going to say in part this sounds bad but it 1540 02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:49,600 seemed like there was conflict between Granberry and Hood County in that report 1541 02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:53,760 that we read from A Vista. >> So we're going to try to dig into that a 1542 02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:58,000 little bit deeper between Granberry and Hood County. see where, you know, at one 1543 02:24:56,399 --> 02:25:02,319 point it looked like there was technical issues that Hood County didn't even have 1544 02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:07,600 access to the radio system and they were using security and all that. I I don't 1545 02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:11,920 get that because we've got big huge radio systems where every customer has 1546 02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:15,520 view into the network for their particular components that they're 1547 02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:19,280 taking care of. So, I don't know where that's coming from. I don't know if 1548 02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:23,600 that's a vendor trying to make more money to sit there and do other things. 1549 02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:29,920 I I don't know. And that's that's the detail we got to dig into and find out. 1550 02:25:26,960 --> 02:25:36,560 » My understanding of [clears throat] what we're looking for here is exactly 1551 02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:41,600 that. What are our options going forward and and how do we fit into that? what's 1552 02:25:39,359 --> 02:25:46,640 the most bang for best bang for the buck I guess 1553 02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:50,479 they were looking for and um that >> so yeah my my understanding was that you 1554 02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:54,640 would need to do some analysis on on where we are currently with the 1555 02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:58,800 structure and what it would take to if we did break away fill in the gaps 1556 02:25:57,120 --> 02:26:02,240 that that may leave or whatever structurally or systematically to make 1557 02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:04,560 sure that everything still >> right 1558 02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:09,760 » provided the coverage that we needed but then to come in and look at it uh from a 1559 02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:13,280 cost analysis of what each of these steps would take and and what would be 1560 02:26:12,080 --> 02:26:16,399 the pros and cons of those. >> Yes. And that's that's the detailed 1561 02:26:14,960 --> 02:26:19,399 report at the end. Yes, sir. >> Okay. 1562 02:26:19,760 --> 02:26:26,800 » Yeah. I mean, asus are developed with partnerships, you know, we sit there and 1563 02:26:24,319 --> 02:26:31,200 say you're really creating a 15-year marriage, not only with your vendor, but 1564 02:26:28,479 --> 02:26:35,520 with the partners you sign up with. And divorce can be expensive. You need to 1565 02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:39,840 know what that expense is. You need to know what your options are so you can 1566 02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:45,120 continue your mission and support your public safety. We'll give each one of 1567 02:26:42,160 --> 02:26:48,800 those with details and and associated costs and there may be even 1568 02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:52,479 recommendations on the governance side that says if you want to stay the course 1569 02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:56,399 here's are things that you should consider and you know what Granberry you 1570 02:26:54,240 --> 02:27:02,479 should consider that too. Mhm. >> So, you're saying at the end of 90 days, 1571 02:26:58,479 --> 02:27:08,080 we'll have a report that shows three to four to five options with costs 1572 02:27:05,439 --> 02:27:13,640 associated with each one, pros and cons and risks for each one. 1573 02:27:10,319 --> 02:27:13,640 » Yes, ma'am. 1574 02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:21,120 » I would I would like to include the the just to make sure that we have all the 1575 02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:27,600 bases covered. The fourth Fort Worth system isn't far away. What it would 1576 02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:31,520 take to No, we we we we look at those again. We like to give you your options 1577 02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:35,760 and let you make informed decisions again based on governance, partnerships, 1578 02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:39,760 and and associated costs. >> I was asking what the options were 1579 02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:45,120 because they were weren't they outlined in the RFP in the RFQ? 1580 02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:48,640 » Yeah. I mean, we >> some of the options. 1581 02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:53,040 » Yeah. I think there was something in there that said any other viable option 1582 02:27:51,359 --> 02:27:58,399 that may come up >> staying with Granberry 1583 02:27:55,439 --> 02:28:02,319 doing our own core with the current L3 Harris 1584 02:27:59,840 --> 02:28:05,920 » joining North Texas Fort Worth whatever we want to call it 1585 02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:08,640 » or even a competitive model of switching vendors right yes ma'am 1586 02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:13,920 » so any of those >> yeah that's that's the deliverables and 1587 02:28:10,479 --> 02:28:18,240 decision outcomes on that last on section C the very last page I think 1588 02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:23,359 you're referring too. >> Yeah, it just just said completion of 1589 02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:27,280 this work does not. So, I thought that it looked like all you were going to do 1590 02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:30,319 at the this 90 days was the assessment and then 1591 02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:33,760 » we we hope to prove our point and you guys say, "Hey, thank you for great 1592 02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:37,920 recommendations and costs. We've been able to make decisions. What's what's it 1593 02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:42,319 going to be to take the next step >> and and as as part of details, if you 1594 02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:46,479 want pricing and further work on that, um that's that's easy to do. But cost 1595 02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:48,880 estimates, you're going to have to do some kind of pricing to get cost 1596 02:28:47,920 --> 02:28:53,200 estimates. >> Um, we we we know what those costs are. 1597 02:28:51,359 --> 02:28:58,240 » Okay. So, I just want to be clear because this last page of your document 1598 02:28:55,840 --> 02:29:03,040 doesn't conform with what I thought you were 1599 02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:07,120 going to provide. So, you're telling me verbally that you're going to do this, 1600 02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:13,280 and I think Commissioner Andrew said the same thing. What we thought this was is 1601 02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:16,640 a full analysis of all the options which you have to do 1602 02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:21,280 » assessment of our current option but we got current state what are the options 1603 02:29:18,960 --> 02:29:24,960 for future state how much will estimate will each one of those cost what's the 1604 02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:27,120 timeline for each one of those estimates and what are the pros and cons 1605 02:29:26,560 --> 02:29:30,160 » correct >> okay that's 1606 02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:34,880 » and I and I take that for granted so I I see where that's where we're not saying 1607 02:29:32,080 --> 02:29:37,600 that direct as you've said so we we are providing that 1608 02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:41,240 » and that will be all done in 90 days >> yes Okay. 1609 02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:50,600 Oh, didn't even ask asked my questions that 1610 02:29:46,399 --> 02:29:50,600 I was going to ask. Um, 1611 02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:59,600 so I think you answered how you maintain strict independence with your vendors. 1612 02:29:57,920 --> 02:30:02,479 You said you don't like >> I hate I hate them all equally. So 1613 02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:05,120 tongue and cheek. So >> it made the newspaper the next day. 1614 02:30:04,240 --> 02:30:09,120 » Oh, okay. >> Yeah. for for once the newspaper quoted 1615 02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:13,120 somebody correctly. >> Okay. So, give an example of a project 1616 02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:17,200 where you had to navigate potential conflicts of interest. What was the 1617 02:30:15,439 --> 02:30:19,600 situation and how do you did you handle it? 1618 02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:25,520 » So, right now that's currently going on in Miami. Um they had theirou 1619 02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:31,600 administration changed. They got a new fire chief and she did not like um Miami 1620 02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:36,560 was the leader of it. They had the primary core and then Miami Beach and 1621 02:30:34,160 --> 02:30:41,359 Hyalia were off of that core with their RF network. So they were using that 1622 02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:46,800 central core and then they built the the uh radio sites for their coverage, 1623 02:30:44,319 --> 02:30:50,720 excuse me, in their city. So with that new administration, 1624 02:30:48,560 --> 02:30:54,640 um they didn't understand theou. They didn't understand the cost sharing that 1625 02:30:52,479 --> 02:30:59,359 was supposed to be done. And the city of Miami thought that Miami Beach and Hyia 1626 02:30:57,520 --> 02:31:03,120 was supposed to pay for the core. And I said, "No, wait a minute. They're not. 1627 02:31:01,359 --> 02:31:07,520 It's you're supposed to share the cost of that three ways." And so we're now 1628 02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:11,760 updating that for the new administration. We've gotten the vendor, 1629 02:31:09,760 --> 02:31:17,040 which is L3 Harris, by the way, there too, um, to break out what that core 1630 02:31:14,240 --> 02:31:22,080 cost is separate from what their radio systems are. So they they know now what 1631 02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:26,880 that core cost is to maintain and sustain and what their obligation is 1632 02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:31,760 which is they divide it by three instead of one agency paying for all of it. 1633 02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:37,120 » Okay. >> So what is your method for evaluating 1634 02:31:34,720 --> 02:31:42,640 the alternatives? How do you assess advantages and 1635 02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:46,720 disadvantages trade-off risks etc? Uh I mean part of it is is looking to see I'm 1636 02:31:45,040 --> 02:31:50,319 going to say where there may be conflict within the agencies themselves. So 1637 02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:55,200 digging down a little bit deeper into the technical views as well as the 1638 02:31:52,319 --> 02:32:01,040 administrative views. Where's why are we why are we here today? And then looking 1639 02:31:58,960 --> 02:32:05,600 at you know hey here's the way the rest of the world does it. Um, here's here's 1640 02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:10,640 things that you may be able to change in this governance where you can continue 1641 02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:16,000 the course and but here's also ways of cost models where you've got a core. 1642 02:32:14,399 --> 02:32:20,319 Everybody that's on that core should share in that cost and then you should 1643 02:32:18,479 --> 02:32:25,040 have coverage for your areas that you're covering. Obviously Hood County is Hood 1644 02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:30,399 County. Um, Granberry is their city. Um, other agency was that join what would be 1645 02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:34,960 their particular needs. So what is your particular needs? What are you going to 1646 02:32:32,479 --> 02:32:39,280 maintain or sustain as part of a county and what are the shared components? So, 1647 02:32:37,280 --> 02:32:45,280 how should I break out that cost model for that shared component? 1648 02:32:42,560 --> 02:32:49,680 And a Kansas City Mars region is a good example of that. I mean, the the 1649 02:32:47,520 --> 02:32:56,960 Missouri side has four counties, probably about 30 agencies, and Kansas 1650 02:32:53,040 --> 02:33:02,160 City owns the core. And so they use ports off of that core to run their 1651 02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:06,560 radio system and run their 911 center. And that core runs about a half a 1652 02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:11,760 million dollars a year to maintain. But it's divided by 32 because there's 32 1653 02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:15,760 people participating. So instead of one agency eating all that cost is and 1654 02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:21,120 that's what you face if you become standalone, it's they paying 132nd of it 1655 02:33:19,200 --> 02:33:25,760 which is a tremendous cost savings to the taxpayer in the region there. So 1656 02:33:23,439 --> 02:33:30,560 there's another. So we helped show that cost model as well that if you if you 1657 02:33:28,640 --> 02:33:33,840 stay the course and you and you and the partners stay together, here's how we 1658 02:33:32,319 --> 02:33:39,200 think you should share costs and we'll give you examples of that from way other 1659 02:33:36,479 --> 02:33:43,040 people are doing it. Uh we did that similar in Payne County. New radio 1660 02:33:40,960 --> 02:33:49,280 system coming up. the county supporting most of it, but the city of Stillwater 1661 02:33:45,439 --> 02:33:53,359 and Cushing and Perkins and Gleno are all and the rural fires are all sharing 1662 02:33:51,359 --> 02:33:58,960 in that overall cost to maintain the system. So, the county uh put the system 1663 02:33:57,040 --> 02:34:02,880 out there and they said, "Hey, we got to have this for county anyway, but all the 1664 02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:06,800 agencies that now are benefiting from the coverage and the way the system 1665 02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:10,880 works, we want you to help pay for the ongoing service and maintenance of the 1666 02:34:08,720 --> 02:34:14,720 system." And that's part of what we look at in that that 10 to 15 year cost as 1667 02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:20,479 well. >> Where where are your employees located? 1668 02:34:17,439 --> 02:34:27,359 » I'm out of Kansas City. Um Norm is out of Keller, Texas. Um Jeff 1669 02:34:24,479 --> 02:34:33,200 » Yeah, Jeff McN is is also out of Kansas City area. I've got consultants in North 1670 02:34:29,920 --> 02:34:36,080 Carolina and California. Um Missouri, Kansas. 1671 02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:40,399 » Okay. Thank you. 1672 02:34:38,399 --> 02:34:45,040 Um, how will we um be updated on the 1673 02:34:42,800 --> 02:34:48,319 progress? [snorts] >> However you want to be updated. 1674 02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:52,240 » Do you have a standard format that you >> We like to give up we like to give 1675 02:34:50,080 --> 02:34:56,560 weekly updates to the stakeholders. So, whoever you tell me is my point of 1676 02:34:54,160 --> 02:35:01,120 contact, we want to give weekly updates to. Um if there's if we think we're 1677 02:34:59,520 --> 02:35:05,840 making progress somewhere in the middle and the stakeholders believe it's it's 1678 02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:14,240 pertinent to come back to this group um we welcome that. Um we we are very open 1679 02:35:10,399 --> 02:35:18,880 to advising you on what your next steps are and what we view as the issues that 1680 02:35:16,880 --> 02:35:23,520 have gotten to this point. So, do you have a sample of a road map or something 1681 02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:27,280 from past projects that you can share of how you communicated, how you kept us 1682 02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:30,960 informed of status? >> Would you like me to share it with 1683 02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:35,479 » Yes, Kermit? Absolutely. We'll get that. We'll get that to you ASAP. 1684 02:35:32,479 --> 02:35:35,479 » Okay. 1685 02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:51,280 Is this really a like an incremental approach or report periodically or 1686 02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:56,000 trying to see what this looks like on the back end? Don't you just come in and 1687 02:35:53,760 --> 02:36:01,760 say, "Okay, if you choose option A, here's here's your costs, your pros, 1688 02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:08,160 your cons, you know, that kind of thing. Is there somewhere between that makes 1689 02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:11,920 » here's our process. So as part of and we call this a phase one. So we would sit 1690 02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:16,160 there and give whoever's going to be the key stakeholder or the lead that's the 1691 02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:19,280 sheriff. We would give him that hey we want to come in and we want to look at 1692 02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:24,000 all this stuff. We're also going to do an online survey that's going to come 1693 02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:28,880 out and and go out to the participating with a with a key set of questions 1694 02:36:25,840 --> 02:36:34,800 specific to this project. So that usually happens within the first 1695 02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:39,760 month. Um then we look at that when we read through the surveys we come in and 1696 02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:44,000 schedule face toface and uh and again that could be with the board. Um you 1697 02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:47,600 know hey we read this what did you know there may be follow-up questions what 1698 02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:52,880 does this mean? You know, in the meantime, by virtue of we visited the 1699 02:36:50,319 --> 02:36:57,120 sites and we understand the technology and we understand the goals of where 1700 02:36:54,880 --> 02:37:00,800 you're trying to achieve, we start giving that technical side of it of 1701 02:36:59,280 --> 02:37:05,200 here's your options and here's the associated costs. So, we've done the 1702 02:37:03,439 --> 02:37:08,479 site visits, we've done the interviews with the key stakeholders and the 1703 02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:13,439 participants, and that's everybody that's involved. And then in the 1704 02:37:11,359 --> 02:37:18,800 meantime, we've been working on the details of the cost. And then after 1705 02:37:16,479 --> 02:37:22,720 that, after we do the face toface, then we follow up shortly then with a 1706 02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:26,520 detailed report of all the things that we've been talking about. 1707 02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:43,840 » Else have any questions? >> Okay. Thank you very much. 1708 02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:47,800 » Thank you. We appreciate the opportunity. Okay. 1709 02:37:55,040 --> 02:38:01,160 » Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you everybody. 1710 02:37:57,920 --> 02:38:01,160 » Thank you. 1711 02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:32,200 Yes, sir. Come on down. 1712 02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:44,200 » Good morning. >> It's uh 1713 02:38:44,800 --> 02:38:52,080 Okay. Oh, good. Okay. I uh sent in uh emailed 1714 02:38:50,080 --> 02:38:55,200 the presentation. [cough] We received it. 1715 02:38:53,600 --> 02:38:59,120 » Okay. >> Uh Mr. Tilman. 1716 02:38:57,680 --> 02:39:04,840 » Oh, go ahead. >> Yeah. Yeah. I could email I could email 1717 02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:04,840 it again. 1718 02:39:05,600 --> 02:39:08,920 » Oh, sure. 1719 02:39:15,200 --> 02:39:25,479 Oh, I'm sorry. I should have I should have brought in uh 1720 02:39:20,880 --> 02:39:25,479 Okay, let me forward it on 1721 02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:14,000 While the presentation's coming in, I take a minute to introduce myself and uh 1722 02:40:11,280 --> 02:40:17,200 first of all um like to thank the commission for giving me the opportunity 1723 02:40:15,680 --> 02:40:23,040 to come in here. It's an honor and a pleasure to present to you. Uh my name 1724 02:40:20,560 --> 02:40:28,880 is David Ruez. I am the owner of Drewbridge LLC. 1725 02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:33,359 The company is uh headquartered in the New York metropolitan area. 1726 02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:39,280 Uh I've been in business I'm kind of preempting the slide deck, but I figured 1727 02:40:35,439 --> 02:40:46,399 we in the in the essence of time we jump right in. Um we've been in business 1728 02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:53,120 since 2019. We are a young company up and coming. We do uh the majority of our 1729 02:40:50,319 --> 02:40:57,840 business with the New York Police Department, 1730 02:40:55,040 --> 02:41:03,200 uh New York Fire Department and do it. It's been primarily where uh the 1731 02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:10,080 majority of our uh of our work has been done over the last uh several years. Uh 1732 02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:14,000 we uh I personally have been in the communications industry, the public 1733 02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:18,880 safety communications industry for 30 years. I graduated from uh Newark 1734 02:41:15,920 --> 02:41:22,880 College of Engineering uh also known as the New Jersey Institute of Technology 1735 02:41:20,880 --> 02:41:32,240 in 1990 and um since uh then I started uh at um 1736 02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:39,840 engineering career at Motorola Solutions and very fortunate I was able to uh work 1737 02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:45,439 at Motorola Solutions for 30 years. Uh I was involved in a multitude of projects 1738 02:41:43,359 --> 02:41:51,840 uh up and down the coast and across the United States. Uh working on engineering 1739 02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:58,960 efforts uh helping Motorola with maintenance and operations planning 1740 02:41:54,880 --> 02:42:04,080 uh some contract planning uh contractual language changes, change management, 1741 02:42:00,960 --> 02:42:08,319 things of that nature. Um what we'll see here when we pull up the presentation is 1742 02:42:06,160 --> 02:42:16,000 I'd like to step the commission through the basically the the the philosophy and 1743 02:42:11,920 --> 02:42:20,080 the concept of myself and I say myself uh that would be my company because it 1744 02:42:17,760 --> 02:42:26,560 is my company and I am driving the company towards a uh towards a uh 1745 02:42:24,240 --> 02:42:31,600 hopefully a future that'll be reflective of how I view communications and what my 1746 02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:37,359 understanding is of public safety communications. S. So, um, again, to 1747 02:42:35,120 --> 02:42:40,319 preempt the the slide deck, and I'll kind of walk you guys through real quick 1748 02:42:38,640 --> 02:42:48,319 when the slide deck does come up, but just to give you an idea, uh, in my my 1749 02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:52,720 entire career has been spent on public safety communications. 1750 02:42:50,399 --> 02:43:00,240 And, um, I tried getting out a couple of times, but I wasn't no luck. I was 1751 02:42:56,000 --> 02:43:06,479 dragged right back in. um and ultimately ended up in now after my 30th year in 1752 02:43:02,880 --> 02:43:11,280 the business ended up working still on public safety communications of course 1753 02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:16,160 in a different different capacity. Uh currently I'm involved more in a 1754 02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:21,840 consulting and uh financial uh representation of what it is that is 1755 02:43:18,720 --> 02:43:27,200 involved with the P25 networks. But uh nonetheless um as I indicated 1756 02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:35,840 before I I am very fortunate. My career has span uh spanned across uh a 1757 02:43:30,800 --> 02:43:41,359 multitude of different uh um different uh backgrounds if you call it 1758 02:43:38,560 --> 02:43:47,600 for the sake of a better word. But I've been um I was involved for an extended 1759 02:43:44,399 --> 02:43:52,160 amount of time in the design and building of the public safety networks. 1760 02:43:49,279 --> 02:43:55,520 I've got a background also which uh I'm trying very hard to instill on the 1761 02:43:54,080 --> 02:44:02,000 company a background in project management and deployment 1762 02:43:58,160 --> 02:44:07,840 um and uh also in change management which uh if you spend any time with uh 1763 02:44:05,520 --> 02:44:12,640 working on these communication networks what you realize is that it's it's the 1764 02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:19,200 the system is uh really uh when you look at a at a 1765 02:44:16,880 --> 02:44:24,560 P25 network for public safety operations. You've got to consider a not 1766 02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:29,600 only a hardened network, a network that's going to operate under duress, 1767 02:44:27,279 --> 02:44:35,439 but you've got to consider uh the long-term maintenance serviceability of 1768 02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:41,600 the network, what your long-term plans are, and as you move into the future, uh 1769 02:44:39,600 --> 02:44:45,600 that you understand what your financial requirements are with these public 1770 02:44:42,960 --> 02:44:51,920 safety networks. Because one of the shortcomings that I had seen I have seen 1771 02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:56,560 actually throughout my career uh is customers getting into these public 1772 02:44:53,840 --> 02:45:02,479 safety P25 networks these modern technology laden very technology laden 1773 02:44:59,359 --> 02:45:07,279 networks and not understanding that there are issues that have to be 1774 02:45:04,479 --> 02:45:14,960 addressed down the road and these could become very very complicated. The issues 1775 02:45:10,960 --> 02:45:21,359 could range from technology obsolescence in in the sense of your boxes are going 1776 02:45:18,399 --> 02:45:27,120 to have to be replaced on a 3 to 5 year time frame. Uh the communications 1777 02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:30,560 network and and the what we're really looking at here and I'm going to jump 1778 02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:34,479 around a little bit for the sake of time. Oh, it's okay. I'm I'm going 1779 02:45:32,640 --> 02:45:40,560 through the entire presentation anyway. So it it'll give you a the goal here is 1780 02:45:37,520 --> 02:45:45,600 to give you a good idea of basically my presentation was how do I approach this? 1781 02:45:43,520 --> 02:45:53,680 So I'll I'll just verbalize it and lay it out for for the commission. 1782 02:45:48,319 --> 02:46:01,840 um the the long-term s the issue with the comm networks, the the modern public 1783 02:45:57,760 --> 02:46:08,640 safety communications networks is that you're dealing with two components 1784 02:46:06,160 --> 02:46:17,840 where in the past if you bought a radio network for example in 1975 1980 that 1785 02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:23,200 network you could potentially get 20 30 years out of that infrastructure and uh 1786 02:46:20,880 --> 02:46:27,840 because it was a tech technology platform at the time and we didn't have 1787 02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:34,000 the advancements in uh in in networking equipment and all 1788 02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:39,920 the changes in technology. What's happening today is your P25 network and 1789 02:46:37,840 --> 02:46:45,920 and I know that the county operates as part of the the Granberry P25 network. 1790 02:46:42,800 --> 02:46:54,319 your P25 network is very technology intensive. So when 1791 02:46:49,680 --> 02:47:00,319 you analyze a system uh any system that you move into, what you're really 1792 02:46:56,880 --> 02:47:05,840 looking at is a civil infrastructure and this is what really makes radio 1793 02:47:02,319 --> 02:47:12,160 communications challenging and unique. The uniqueness of radio communications 1794 02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:16,800 is that unlike an enterprise network that the county might procure to do its 1795 02:47:14,479 --> 02:47:23,200 file maintenance and its legality and data storage, the radio communications 1796 02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:30,720 network has a civil component associated with it. The civil component has to be 1797 02:47:26,960 --> 02:47:35,760 analyzed and maintained and built in the similar with a similar mindset that you 1798 02:47:33,359 --> 02:47:42,560 would build a you would build, excuse me, the the radio infrastructure. So 1799 02:47:39,439 --> 02:47:46,880 often you go into the design of a radio network and you're thinking, well, I've 1800 02:47:44,479 --> 02:47:51,920 got my sightes taken care of, my coverage is in pretty good shape, and 1801 02:47:49,680 --> 02:47:56,160 I've got good microwave and that's great. That's only one half of the 1802 02:47:54,000 --> 02:48:01,200 story. The other half of the story is what happens to this network over time. 1803 02:47:59,439 --> 02:48:07,359 And the the reason you've got to consider the evolution of the network 1804 02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:12,800 over time is because the RA modern radio communication systems are are are 1805 02:48:10,479 --> 02:48:20,399 basically network platforms. They're enterprise platforms that uh interface 1806 02:48:17,520 --> 02:48:24,319 to an RF world. And that's what you're dealing with. you're dealing with the 1807 02:48:21,840 --> 02:48:30,240 outside world, which is your towers, your generators, your shelters, uh your 1808 02:48:27,760 --> 02:48:34,080 radio, your RF world, communicating out with your deputies and the other county 1809 02:48:32,479 --> 02:48:41,040 employees, and you're dealing with an inside enterprise network. Now, that 1810 02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:47,040 introduces several challenges to the communications owner and to the 1811 02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:54,960 communications companies that actually uh build these networks. So, as a as a 1812 02:48:50,319 --> 02:49:02,800 as an owner of a public safety hardened P25 network, you've got to plan for 1813 02:49:00,160 --> 02:49:06,479 multiple aspects of what I call ob obsolescence. 1814 02:49:04,399 --> 02:49:11,279 There's software maintenance that has to be installed in these networks and it's 1815 02:49:08,960 --> 02:49:15,520 got to be considered. Most vendors today, the two primary vendors obviously 1816 02:49:13,439 --> 02:49:21,760 Motorola Solutions and Harris all uh work on a software 1817 02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:30,319 maintenance platform and and the updates Thank you. the updates could be on a uh 1818 02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:35,359 on a um on a s by annual basis or they could be annually. The other issue you 1819 02:49:32,880 --> 02:49:44,080 have Thank you by the way. The other issue you have uh is that the uh you've 1820 02:49:40,880 --> 02:49:48,560 got to also consider beyond standard software maintenance. You've got to 1821 02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:54,479 consider uh [snorts] technology refresh. Your servers, your switches, 1822 02:49:51,439 --> 02:50:00,560 your uh routers, your security components of the network are all being 1823 02:49:57,439 --> 02:50:05,120 refreshed over time. And that's not a something that the vendors really want 1824 02:50:03,520 --> 02:50:11,279 to do. It's something that industry forces them to do. Technology changes 1825 02:50:07,840 --> 02:50:17,920 and being that the P25 network is so network intensive, the P25 system, I 1826 02:50:13,920 --> 02:50:23,520 should say, is so network intensive, it requires you to keep up with the modern 1827 02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:31,200 uh the modern deployment of of these networks. So, so what what happens is 1828 02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:38,479 over time when you own one of these communication networks, you've got to 1829 02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:42,479 worry about um you've got to consider not only the serviceability, the 1830 02:50:40,880 --> 02:50:47,760 daytoday maintenance of the network, break fix, 1831 02:50:45,279 --> 02:50:52,080 having somebody available when a base station goes down, uh or you you've got 1832 02:50:50,240 --> 02:50:57,120 to replace an antenna, things of that nature. These are the daily requirements 1833 02:50:54,479 --> 02:51:02,720 to a communications network. You also have to plan for your software upgrades. 1834 02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:08,319 You've got to plan for your technology refresh upgrades. And you've got to plan 1835 02:51:06,240 --> 02:51:14,640 I think one of the things that many public safety agencies tend to overlook 1836 02:51:10,960 --> 02:51:19,920 is the human capital associated with the management of these networks. So you've 1837 02:51:17,040 --> 02:51:25,920 got to have a team in house, not necessarily to respond on a 7 by 24 1838 02:51:23,840 --> 02:51:30,960 basis to go out there and fix because there are many service centers uh across 1839 02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:36,479 the country and both Harris and Motorola have service shops that can come in and 1840 02:51:33,840 --> 02:51:41,840 take care of your day-to-day. But management of these networks is 1841 02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:49,760 extremely crucial. And one of the things that you don't want to do is you don't 1842 02:51:44,080 --> 02:51:54,160 want to pass off management to just the communication shop, the local 1843 02:51:51,279 --> 02:52:00,080 communication shop. As good as they are, there's too many things on the customer 1844 02:51:56,479 --> 02:52:04,479 side that have to be addressed. Um, actually the previous slide was a 1845 02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:11,200 probably a good place for me to start. Um, and I think the slide before that 1846 02:52:08,240 --> 02:52:16,560 was uh where our experience is. I I'll take a minute or so and talk through 1847 02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:22,160 what it is we're doing. I deliberately selected these four projects because 1848 02:52:20,000 --> 02:52:27,840 they're all different in their own ways. We just we were awarded it was 1849 02:52:24,960 --> 02:52:33,600 heartbreaking. We were awarded uh the islandwide design for for Puerto Rico. 1850 02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:40,720 It was a Department of Homeland Security grant that was given to the uh company 1851 02:52:37,520 --> 02:52:46,640 we partnered with and we designed the entire communication system uh all the 1852 02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:52,399 the sites uh the coverage for the entire island of Puerto Rico. We ended up with 1853 02:52:48,640 --> 02:52:59,040 a 65 site design uh to provide portable in street coverage over six simoccast 1854 02:52:55,439 --> 02:53:02,800 cells uh redundant core networks. You guys are probably familiar with the 1855 02:53:00,479 --> 02:53:08,800 Granberry having the core uh with redundant core networks and five or six 1856 02:53:05,600 --> 02:53:14,800 dispatch center locations. There was a technicality in that we we 1857 02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:20,240 believed we were able to partner with uh a local uh island engineering firm 1858 02:53:18,319 --> 02:53:24,960 certified civil engineering firm professional. Turned out that we were 1859 02:53:22,640 --> 02:53:29,359 not. It turned out that what they were really looking for was for the 1860 02:53:26,479 --> 02:53:35,840 engineering firm to be the lead on the project. The award was recanted. Uh we 1861 02:53:33,279 --> 02:53:41,439 had to rebid. We we rebid with a very good firm, but uh to no avail. They 1862 02:53:39,040 --> 02:53:48,880 decided to go in another direction. But I wanted to put it up there as uh one of 1863 02:53:44,319 --> 02:53:54,160 our I mean I'm think one of our uh one of our wins for 2025 even though the the 1864 02:53:52,000 --> 02:53:59,120 project was not awarded to us. State of Maryland public safety system. Now this 1865 02:53:56,080 --> 02:54:04,399 one I wanted to put up there as well. Um I was uh primarily responsible on the 1866 02:54:02,720 --> 02:54:09,359 state of Maryland system for designing their maintenance and operations 1867 02:54:05,840 --> 02:54:14,880 program. It was uh designing and laying out. I did not do the work. As a 1868 02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:18,800 Motorolan uh big team comes in, as you guys are probably familiar, similar to 1869 02:54:16,479 --> 02:54:23,200 Harris, they've got project managers, engineers, salespeople. 1870 02:54:21,200 --> 02:54:26,960 My job was to design the 10-year maintenance and operations program. And 1871 02:54:24,960 --> 02:54:34,399 it was a tremendous experience because I was able to really analyze what it took 1872 02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:39,680 to facilitate and maintain uh these networks in the during the uh the second 1873 02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:45,680 half of their existence during maintenance and operations. So I did 1874 02:54:41,840 --> 02:54:53,200 that. Um, the other thing I did which was uh pretty pretty uh educational I 1875 02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:59,279 would say was I ran uh two of Motorola's teams uh the fire department team and uh 1876 02:54:56,800 --> 02:55:05,279 the dick team in New York City. I was lead project manager. I was in charge of 1877 02:55:00,960 --> 02:55:12,080 the teams and uh we engaged in several upgrades, fire and uh do it upgrades and 1878 02:55:09,439 --> 02:55:20,000 uh one of the upgrades uh in particular was uh the P25 upgrade of a citywide of 1879 02:55:16,960 --> 02:55:26,080 the citywide fire department uh system. So PM team under myself uh was actually 1880 02:55:23,439 --> 02:55:31,600 handling the deployment. More recently, the fourth project, the 1881 02:55:28,160 --> 02:55:37,120 base station replacement was when uh kicked off when I started the company 1882 02:55:33,600 --> 02:55:44,319 and uh they contracted us to handle all the project management and um facility 1883 02:55:41,439 --> 02:55:49,120 management on uh in one of their staging facilities in New York City. So, we ran 1884 02:55:47,120 --> 02:55:54,080 this is an extremely large project for the New York Police Department. They 1885 02:55:51,200 --> 02:56:01,840 replaced all of their uh analog infrastructure with P25. Uh it was a 1886 02:55:57,120 --> 02:56:06,560 mild migration. Uh at first the uh uh the the first phase of the project was 1887 02:56:03,600 --> 02:56:11,520 to bring in the P2 the cabinets, install them. Second phase was to do the P25 1888 02:56:09,600 --> 02:56:19,600 upgrade where they would bring the analog up to the digital platform. 1889 02:56:14,720 --> 02:56:25,279 And um so it was was intriguing project. I our team really learned a lot from 1890 02:56:22,399 --> 02:56:28,960 this project. It was uh so we we're very very successful. We had a great outcome 1891 02:56:27,520 --> 02:56:36,080 with this project. So I wanted to put these four up here because each one of 1892 02:56:31,120 --> 02:56:42,000 them uh really indicates a uh a bit of a different skill set that we bring to the 1893 02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:46,880 table. Uh [snorts] next slide. And I know time is of the essence and 1894 02:56:43,840 --> 02:56:52,880 please if I'm overstepping just just let me know and I'll be more than happy to 1895 02:56:49,120 --> 02:56:59,920 accelerate and uh and with all due respect uh okay so 1896 02:56:57,040 --> 02:57:07,200 I think I've spoken to the engineering and network architecture 1897 02:57:03,040 --> 02:57:12,800 aspect of of the company philosophy when you design a radio communication system 1898 02:57:09,920 --> 02:57:18,080 you have to design a hardened network and sometimes you overlook that. Uh it's 1899 02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:25,359 and it's got to be hardened on multiple fronts. And the reason is because public 1900 02:57:20,640 --> 02:57:32,000 safety uh 90% of the time you could have little to no incidents depending on the 1901 02:57:28,240 --> 02:57:37,439 population and how uh busy the the area is. But it's just that one time that 1902 02:57:35,040 --> 02:57:40,160 your radio system falters on you and you've got a big incident. You can have 1903 02:57:38,960 --> 02:57:44,720 a shootout. You're going to have a fire. whatever the case may be. And this is 1904 02:57:42,560 --> 02:57:50,800 the mindset that you've got to have when you go into these P25 networks as a 1905 02:57:48,080 --> 02:57:54,960 design engineer. Uh, and it is challenging because it does at times 1906 02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:59,840 introduce significant cost to the process. But I think overall you've got 1907 02:57:58,000 --> 02:58:03,680 to be thinking reliability and resiliency when you're an engineer, when 1908 02:58:02,319 --> 02:58:08,560 you're doing engineering on these networks from a project management p 1909 02:58:06,399 --> 02:58:14,720 perspective. And I wanted to touch on project management because project 1910 02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:20,160 management as you've I know you've been involved listening to presentations on 1911 02:58:16,960 --> 02:58:26,800 construction on P25 project management is critical as well in the deployment of 1912 02:58:23,840 --> 02:58:33,920 the system because project management with these networks uh introduce has to 1913 02:58:30,880 --> 02:58:39,760 manage the construction of the sites has to manage the regulatory aspect ect of 1914 02:58:37,600 --> 02:58:43,520 what installing a radio tower and a shelter and generators things of that 1915 02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:49,040 nature that all comes from the project management. But there is something that 1916 02:58:45,680 --> 02:58:56,080 I wanted to touch on very briefly here which is uh which is in my opinion 1917 02:58:53,040 --> 02:59:02,640 overlooked often and that is the financial management of these networks. 1918 02:58:59,279 --> 02:59:07,439 Um, I've been very fortunate that the last 3 years I've been consulting for 1919 02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:12,960 Motorola Solutions, specifically for Motorola Solutions in a uh financial 1920 02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:17,600 change management capacity. So, I've been doing all their change orders and 1921 02:59:15,359 --> 02:59:21,279 pricing the change orders. And the one thing that I realized is and the 1922 02:59:19,439 --> 02:59:26,080 Westchester County, it's for Westchester County, New York, by the way, uh, on 1923 02:59:23,520 --> 02:59:29,600 behalf of Motorola. [clears throat] Um, 1924 02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:35,760 time. What can you do about our design system? 1925 02:59:32,240 --> 02:59:41,760 Tell tell us about this about our system here. What give us our options on what 1926 02:59:39,840 --> 02:59:44,640 we're trying to do here on our radio system. 1927 02:59:42,240 --> 02:59:50,640 » I think you look at first of all, let's let's make sure we understand what it is 1928 02:59:47,200 --> 02:59:55,680 that the county has uh the experience they've had with the network. Let's look 1929 02:59:52,880 --> 03:00:00,319 at your system. Let's analyze the configuration. 1930 02:59:57,760 --> 03:00:05,840 Um when you do an analysis of the configuration, then you can come up with 1931 03:00:02,960 --> 03:00:10,640 design alternatives or design improvements. 1932 03:00:07,439 --> 03:00:16,000 Once we develop an improvement to the design, whatever that may be, it could 1933 03:00:12,960 --> 03:00:21,359 be uh adding a second core site. It could be uh it could be scratching the 1934 03:00:19,359 --> 03:00:25,600 existing radio system altogether. We don't know. That would have to be 1935 03:00:23,120 --> 03:00:31,920 analyzed. And what basically as the analysis is being done, you're doing the 1936 03:00:28,240 --> 03:00:36,319 analysis on the behalf of the county the best. Mhm. 1937 03:00:34,800 --> 03:00:40,880 » Happened to take a look at that Abveistice report that was online. 1938 03:00:38,560 --> 03:00:45,279 » We looked at the I believe it was included in the RFP. So we did see that 1939 03:00:43,439 --> 03:00:48,640 there were several shortcomings and issues associated with the existing 1940 03:00:47,760 --> 03:00:54,080 system network. >> How would you be able to leverage that? 1941 03:00:50,319 --> 03:00:58,720 I think the the county has the RF infrastructure in place which is 1942 03:00:56,800 --> 03:01:05,359 promising. That means you don't have to spend money on building towers and uh so 1943 03:01:02,960 --> 03:01:10,319 half of your battle in doing an upgrade if the coverage is acceptable. And I go 1944 03:01:07,439 --> 03:01:15,439 back to the county should analyze whichever consulting firm comes in and 1945 03:01:12,880 --> 03:01:21,040 you select to do business with. You should analyze whether your radio 1946 03:01:17,600 --> 03:01:25,840 coverage is acceptable. Maybe it's acceptable today. Will it be acceptable 1947 03:01:23,359 --> 03:01:31,200 in 5 years and 10 years down the road. So if the existing network that's 1948 03:01:28,800 --> 03:01:34,960 basically how we would analyze it. I don't foresee that it's a complete 1949 03:01:32,560 --> 03:01:41,840 tearown. I think that the existing network if properly handled could be uh 1950 03:01:39,359 --> 03:01:47,279 has the ability to be upgraded and provide the county what it is that the 1951 03:01:43,520 --> 03:01:52,560 countyy's looking for. Um so it would be a matter of looking at what looking at 1952 03:01:49,680 --> 03:01:57,760 the current configuration and uh coming up with a viable solution cost effective 1953 03:01:54,880 --> 03:02:01,520 solution and technically competent solution that would be acceptable to the 1954 03:01:59,359 --> 03:02:09,040 county. Are there any other options >> you you could pull the depending on on 1955 03:02:05,120 --> 03:02:14,160 the my opinion is in and it always has been that you've got to look at all your 1956 03:02:10,960 --> 03:02:19,200 possibilities you you have to look at multiple vendors in a situ in your 1957 03:02:16,640 --> 03:02:24,319 current situation I think you would be happy 5 years from now if you did a 1958 03:02:21,520 --> 03:02:28,960 complete analysis and said here's where we sit with the Harris system here's 1959 03:02:26,319 --> 03:02:34,960 what Harris is proposing to bring the network up to where we think it should 1960 03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:40,319 be and address the issues that we feel we have to be addressed. But let's look 1961 03:02:37,040 --> 03:02:46,399 at the competitor as well because you never know there might be in a nutshell 1962 03:02:43,760 --> 03:02:51,680 you might have as much work upgrading the existing system as you do to totally 1963 03:02:49,840 --> 03:02:55,279 swapping the existing system and going to a new network. It's something that 1964 03:02:53,760 --> 03:02:59,120 needs to be analyzed. It's something that the vendors would have to uh 1965 03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:01,680 discuss with the county. >> Okay. 1966 03:02:59,359 --> 03:03:06,720 » And where are your employees located? >> We are primarily located in the New York 1967 03:03:03,760 --> 03:03:12,160 area. I myself call home uh South Florida. I live in Boca Raton, Florida. 1968 03:03:09,359 --> 03:03:17,279 Uh my son who runs the company for us is out of he's just bought a house in 1969 03:03:13,600 --> 03:03:23,600 Denver. And uh my my chief engineer my uh my primary engineer is in New Jersey. 1970 03:03:21,279 --> 03:03:30,720 New Jersey, excuse me. So when you look at in the early on in your present 1971 03:03:27,120 --> 03:03:35,520 document that you submitted um 3.3 says understanding the project and it's got 1972 03:03:33,439 --> 03:03:39,520 some things listed there but I'm not hearing you describe the things. 1973 03:03:37,520 --> 03:03:43,520 Apologies. I I tried to verbalize everything that was uh 1974 03:03:40,960 --> 03:03:48,720 » well, we were we were looking for a total um 1975 03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:55,920 and report that would give us all the options, cost benefits or pros and cons, 1976 03:03:52,960 --> 03:04:00,720 costs of each time frame, and I don't I don't see that in your 1977 03:03:56,800 --> 03:04:07,439 » Yeah, the the report uh would come after we have the ability to analyze the 1978 03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:10,399 situation at this point or where Uh our response was really based on the 1979 03:04:08,880 --> 03:04:11,600 information in the RFP. >> Okay. 1980 03:04:10,880 --> 03:04:14,080 » Mhm. >> All right. 1981 03:04:12,000 --> 03:04:18,800 » So it's certainly something that is doable. There's no doubt about it. We we 1982 03:04:16,240 --> 03:04:23,040 have the ability to analyze the existing system, report back to you what would be 1983 03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:26,800 the better of the options both from a technical, financial, long-term 1984 03:04:24,960 --> 03:04:30,319 sustainability perspective. >> Have you done any similar public sector 1985 03:04:29,200 --> 03:04:37,040 projects in Texas? >> The no nothing in Texas. This is my 1986 03:04:32,800 --> 03:04:40,680 first uh my first stab at at working in Texas. 1987 03:04:37,680 --> 03:04:40,680 » Okay. 1988 03:04:45,040 --> 03:04:50,080 » Question. >> Yeah. Have you done any any kind of work 1989 03:04:48,240 --> 03:04:56,399 where there's multiple jurisdictions involved trying to get everything? 1990 03:04:52,960 --> 03:05:00,800 » Actually, yes. So, uh like this regional network for example. Yeah. My 1991 03:04:59,200 --> 03:05:06,160 understanding from what I can see in the RFP the 1992 03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:09,840 uh my understanding I should say is that Banberry runs the network. They run the 1993 03:05:08,640 --> 03:05:16,800 core >> basically. Uh you've got four sites 1994 03:05:12,640 --> 03:05:22,399 inside the county that uh for it's it's a foresight simoccast system P25 that 1995 03:05:19,840 --> 03:05:29,120 you utilize inside the county. Um interoperability with P25 is is not a 1996 03:05:25,920 --> 03:05:35,760 big issue. It's it's the the network is quite flexible and allows for uh for 1997 03:05:33,040 --> 03:05:42,399 tying in outside agencies expansion within the network. So uh it's it's what 1998 03:05:40,240 --> 03:05:47,200 you're trying to achieve I'm fairly confident can be achieved in one 1999 03:05:44,800 --> 03:05:52,560 capacity or the other. You just have to look at all your options. You've got to 2000 03:05:50,720 --> 03:05:59,279 lay them on the table and determine what is the uh what is the 2001 03:05:56,800 --> 03:06:03,600 best option of all for the county financially and technically and down the 2002 03:06:01,680 --> 03:06:09,120 road. Very important. >> Got to consider how long how how is this 2003 03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:14,160 going to play itself out 5 10 years from now and how much is all of that going to 2004 03:06:11,760 --> 03:06:20,319 cost you. Total cost of ownership with these networks is very important. It's 2005 03:06:17,439 --> 03:06:25,040 something that needs to be considered uh as much as how you're going to maintain 2006 03:06:22,240 --> 03:06:29,279 the network today because the county does not want to find itself in a tough 2007 03:06:27,040 --> 03:06:33,160 situation trying to fund something that it did not plan for. 2008 03:06:41,520 --> 03:06:49,359 » Any other questions? >> Good. Well, it was a pleasure and an 2009 03:06:46,800 --> 03:06:56,080 honor and uh whether we are awarded, as I stated before, we're a young company. 2010 03:06:52,000 --> 03:06:59,840 Uh I am in uh it's something I've always wanted to do consulting all my life. 2011 03:06:57,680 --> 03:07:04,960 I've been able to do multitude of other work at Motorola. We are very successful 2012 03:07:02,399 --> 03:07:09,600 in the New York area. We managed to pay the rent. We managed to keep the lights 2013 03:07:06,720 --> 03:07:14,720 on. But uh this is something that I definitely uh endeavor to do over the 2014 03:07:12,560 --> 03:07:19,279 long haul. on having the opportunity to come here and present to the com the 2015 03:07:16,720 --> 03:07:24,319 commission is is again it's it's an honor and whether TrueBridge is awarded 2016 03:07:22,000 --> 03:07:30,800 the project or not I thank you from the bottom of my heart sincerely and I wish 2017 03:07:26,960 --> 03:07:38,080 you the best with whatever direction you take we are always there you have my 2018 03:07:33,760 --> 03:07:43,200 number uh you're uh yeah you can reach out to us at any given time with that 2019 03:07:40,720 --> 03:07:46,920 thank you and uh have a Good day. >> Thank you. 2020 03:07:43,920 --> 03:07:46,920 » Bye-bye. 2021 03:08:22,240 --> 03:08:25,200 Good morning. >> Hey, good morning. 2022 03:08:24,479 --> 03:08:30,439 » Good. >> Yeah. Good afternoon. How you doing? 2023 03:08:57,120 --> 03:09:02,760 Please introduce yourself. We're ready. Are you ready, Christine? 2024 03:09:03,600 --> 03:09:10,479 I'll introduce myself in the meantime. Good afternoon. Uh my name is Rejit 2025 03:09:07,760 --> 03:09:15,600 Javer. I'm associate vice president with federal engineering. Uh I've been with 2026 03:09:12,640 --> 03:09:21,600 federal engineering for 18 years now. Uh various roles. Uh I was a a lead 2027 03:09:19,359 --> 03:09:24,479 consultant, uh project manager, director, and then my current role. So 2028 03:09:23,120 --> 03:09:29,920 I've been involved with the public safety radio communication space um 2029 03:09:26,800 --> 03:09:34,080 during that entire time. Um, prior to that I worked for a major vendor for 2030 03:09:32,319 --> 03:09:38,640 about eight years in the public safety, radio communication space as well. So, 2031 03:09:36,479 --> 03:09:43,200 my career in the space is my entire career of 25 plus years. Um, so excited 2032 03:09:41,359 --> 03:09:48,960 to be here today and thank you for this opportunity. I'm going to introduce uh 2033 03:09:45,359 --> 03:09:53,040 Greg uh to introduce himself. >> Hi, 2034 03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:58,240 » Greg Center. Um, I've been with uh federal engineering for four years as a 2035 03:09:55,520 --> 03:10:04,319 consultant. I've had a 30-year career in the wireless industry. Uh my background 2036 03:10:01,279 --> 03:10:09,840 is I've got a bachelor's in electrical engineering from Oklahoma Christian and 2037 03:10:05,920 --> 03:10:13,840 an MBA from UT Austin and um a project management professional. That's really 2038 03:10:11,680 --> 03:10:18,160 where my career is focused on project management specialty. Uh about half my 2039 03:10:16,319 --> 03:10:22,720 career was at Texas Instruments making wireless chips for cell phones and then 2040 03:10:20,000 --> 03:10:26,880 the other half has been working on uh public safety, public radio 2041 03:10:24,160 --> 03:10:32,319 communication systems. um working for various vendors uh different vendors 2042 03:10:30,240 --> 03:10:37,120 along the way. I was a director of PMO for one of them until I moved to federal 2043 03:10:35,359 --> 03:10:43,279 engineering. I've worked about 20 projects for federal engineering uh 2044 03:10:39,439 --> 03:10:49,200 since I joined. Uh I'm working alongside another couple individuals who aren't 2045 03:10:45,760 --> 03:10:54,800 with us today. Lewis Camaro, he is uh he like myself is also from from Texas. I'm 2046 03:10:51,920 --> 03:11:00,000 from the DFW area. Lewis is from the Houston area and then he's he's been 2047 03:10:57,680 --> 03:11:04,720 with Federal probably 18 years. He's worked over a hundred projects or so for 2048 03:11:02,080 --> 03:11:10,240 for Federal. And we've also got Julian Duran. He's our RF coverage specialist. 2049 03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:15,359 He's uh got specialties in coverage propagation and also backall engineering 2050 03:11:13,200 --> 03:11:17,680 microwave. So with that, I'll turn it back to you. 2051 03:11:15,760 --> 03:11:24,240 » Thank you, Greg. Uh next slide, please. 2052 03:11:21,439 --> 03:11:28,399 So, uh, wanted to go over, uh, what our proposed services are here. Um, also 2053 03:11:26,319 --> 03:11:33,359 wanted to say that, you know, we as federal engineering are prepared, uh, if 2054 03:11:30,319 --> 03:11:38,399 we're so, um, honored to to have this opportunity, uh, we we are prepared to 2055 03:11:35,920 --> 03:11:43,760 start right away. We have a a planning tool that um we all get together and 2056 03:11:41,760 --> 03:11:49,040 plan every week and continually update that looks out 12 months, 18 months to 2057 03:11:46,720 --> 03:11:53,680 make sure that um our our personnel and resources are are are staffed on the 2058 03:11:51,439 --> 03:11:58,000 project. So, we we definitely have the uh bandwidth for uh taking on a project 2059 03:11:55,920 --> 03:12:01,520 of this size and scope. Um so, I wanted to let you know that. Also, we're 2060 03:11:59,680 --> 03:12:06,479 assuming a six-month schedule, but we'll work with you. Um, if there's some time 2061 03:12:03,920 --> 03:12:10,160 dates and times that need to be met that are critical for the county, we're we're 2062 03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:13,920 more than happy to work with you to, you know, compress the schedule uh however 2063 03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:18,319 best we can to make it work for you and your needs. 2064 03:12:16,560 --> 03:12:24,080 Um, so as far as the project uh initiation phase, oh, I'm sorry. So, 2065 03:12:22,080 --> 03:12:27,920 uh, as um, can you go back one? Sorry. Sorry. Um as far as the project 2066 03:12:25,600 --> 03:12:31,520 initiation phase, um what we'll first do is we'll send out a request for 2067 03:12:29,439 --> 03:12:36,319 information to uh the participants from the county to receive some documentation 2068 03:12:33,760 --> 03:12:40,319 just to get a uh understanding of what uh your system uh has different uh 2069 03:12:38,640 --> 03:12:44,080 aspects of it, whether it's the the frequency licensing, the actual uh 2070 03:12:42,319 --> 03:12:48,240 equipment components, uh the maintenance, uh all those types of 2071 03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:52,319 things. Um and then we'll we'll review that um in preparation for the project 2072 03:12:50,640 --> 03:12:57,439 initiation meeting. helps us to get a better understanding of of where um Hood 2073 03:12:54,479 --> 03:13:03,279 County is at. And uh at the project initiation meeting, we will um basically 2074 03:13:01,040 --> 03:13:07,520 baseline what the scope of the project is, go through some critical dates, um 2075 03:13:06,319 --> 03:13:11,279 go through how the project communications will take place, and 2076 03:13:09,120 --> 03:13:15,760 we're very flexible. We'll do whatever's in the county's interest of how how 2077 03:13:13,200 --> 03:13:20,399 often to have those calls and meetings. We understand um you know county staff 2078 03:13:18,640 --> 03:13:23,600 are busy and we don't want to overly burden them but we also make sure want 2079 03:13:22,000 --> 03:13:27,920 to make sure the communication flow is is is good and adequate to your needs. 2080 03:13:26,160 --> 03:13:31,120 Um and then we'll conduct stakeholder interviews. This is a really important 2081 03:13:29,439 --> 03:13:35,920 part of the process because we will really gain an understanding of what the 2082 03:13:33,520 --> 03:13:40,239 first responders uh find is working well with the current radio communications 2083 03:13:37,760 --> 03:13:44,560 network and what's not. And and we want to be able to identify that. So that 2084 03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:48,560 will help us identify those gaps and and mitigate that when we're coming together 2085 03:13:46,560 --> 03:13:52,800 um on these next phases of the project. So with that we'll have a deliverable uh 2086 03:13:50,800 --> 03:13:56,960 which is a project plan and schedule as well as interview notes from the uh 2087 03:13:54,479 --> 03:14:00,520 stakeholder interviews. Next slide please. 2088 03:14:00,560 --> 03:14:08,319 So the next uh set of the next phase is the alternatives identification and 2089 03:14:05,680 --> 03:14:13,279 analysis. So, we understand, you know, it's Hood County's goal for an informed, 2090 03:14:11,040 --> 03:14:18,640 transparent, unbiased, and defensible decision um of which way the your radio 2091 03:14:16,239 --> 03:14:22,239 communications path should proceed. Um, and so it's our our job as federal 2092 03:14:20,640 --> 03:14:27,120 engineering to identify the alternatives. Uh, whether that be 2093 03:14:24,000 --> 03:14:31,680 continued participation in the Granberry regional radio network, whether you want 2094 03:14:29,279 --> 03:14:36,239 to build and operate and maintain your own system or whether you want to join 2095 03:14:33,520 --> 03:14:40,560 another regional um system that could be on a different uh technology platform. 2096 03:14:38,560 --> 03:14:45,520 That that's that's what we're here for. We're this is what we do. Um, this is 2097 03:14:43,359 --> 03:14:50,160 this is what we do all the time for uh counties of similar size. Um, and so how 2098 03:14:48,319 --> 03:14:54,640 do we do that? Right, we we go through the radio coverage. We see each of the 2099 03:14:52,239 --> 03:14:58,640 alternatives and we identify, okay, how how does staying with the current system 2100 03:14:56,960 --> 03:15:02,080 or building your own system or joining another system, how does the radio 2101 03:15:00,319 --> 03:15:05,840 coverage meet the first responders needs and we'll identify any potential 2102 03:15:04,239 --> 03:15:09,359 deficiencies or what needs to be improved in order to meet the needs. So 2103 03:15:07,760 --> 03:15:15,279 we'll we'll we'll take that into account. There's also the actual um 2104 03:15:12,800 --> 03:15:19,600 system configuration. you know, is where where is that technology in its life 2105 03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:24,080 cycle? Um, are you if you're currently part of a system, how old is that system 2106 03:15:21,680 --> 03:15:27,120 and and when is it due for replacement? If you're building your own system, of 2107 03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:31,359 course, warranty and what that life cycle looks like. So, we'll look at all 2108 03:15:28,720 --> 03:15:35,200 these uh different aspects um as part of our comparison when we're looking at the 2109 03:15:33,040 --> 03:15:39,920 different alternatives. Uh, another big thing is governance. Um, obviously, how 2110 03:15:38,080 --> 03:15:44,160 big a say does Hood County have in the operation of the system? So whether 2111 03:15:42,000 --> 03:15:49,680 you're part of a network and what what you can um do there as far as having 2112 03:15:47,120 --> 03:15:54,560 your input and and voice heard versus operating and owning and operating your 2113 03:15:51,439 --> 03:15:58,319 own system um and having other perhaps uh uh participants on your system. We 2114 03:15:57,040 --> 03:16:01,920 will we'll work through different governance models and things that have 2115 03:16:00,399 --> 03:16:07,520 worked in the past for other clients but of course take your input and customize 2116 03:16:04,080 --> 03:16:10,640 it. Other key thing um this is public safety radio communications we're 2117 03:16:08,960 --> 03:16:15,680 talking about here. So system res redundancy and reliability is so 2118 03:16:13,120 --> 03:16:19,920 important. Um we, you know, first responders, whether law enforcement, 2119 03:16:17,840 --> 03:16:23,279 fire personnel, they need this system up and running all the time. So we take 2120 03:16:21,439 --> 03:16:28,720 into account redundancy when we're evaluating um the different alternatives 2121 03:16:26,239 --> 03:16:32,319 uh that Hood County could pursue. Interoperability, of course, the ability 2122 03:16:30,640 --> 03:16:36,800 to communicate with one another, not only uh agencies within the county, but 2123 03:16:34,800 --> 03:16:41,279 neighboring agencies in the event of a of some type of incident. So evaluating 2124 03:16:39,279 --> 03:16:45,279 how interoperability plays with each of these alternatives is very important as 2125 03:16:43,120 --> 03:16:49,600 well. And then of course uh cyber security. Unfortunately we've all heard 2126 03:16:46,880 --> 03:16:53,760 of ransomware attacks. Uh we've heard of the physical security issues where 2127 03:16:51,200 --> 03:16:58,319 there's vandalism at radio sites or even unfortunately copper or other types of 2128 03:16:56,000 --> 03:17:03,439 physical equipment stolen. So so how to secure that um to protect Hood County's 2129 03:17:01,200 --> 03:17:07,760 assets. That that's really key. And then taking into all of this is budgetary 2130 03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:12,160 cost estimate. what what is the best value for the county? Um what are the 2131 03:17:10,399 --> 03:17:16,720 costs of these alternatives? What value do they deliver? And really providing 2132 03:17:14,720 --> 03:17:24,080 that type of evaluation is is what we want to uh do. Uh next slide please. 2133 03:17:22,000 --> 03:17:28,239 So um this all culminates in a recommendations and uh report with and 2134 03:17:26,479 --> 03:17:32,560 then we'll present the findings. So what we do is we come up with a prioritized 2135 03:17:30,319 --> 03:17:36,399 recommendations based on what what which of these alternatives delivers the best 2136 03:17:34,399 --> 03:17:40,720 value for the county. Um and we're looking again at all those aspects I 2137 03:17:38,000 --> 03:17:43,760 just talked about and we based on our um professional opinion we'll provide that 2138 03:17:42,239 --> 03:17:48,160 recommendation and of course have that discussion. Um so we'll provide a 2139 03:17:46,160 --> 03:17:52,640 roadmap. So how do you get there from here? It's important to understand and 2140 03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:56,640 take your inputs as you know is this something that has to be phased due to 2141 03:17:54,160 --> 03:18:00,720 budgetary uh needs. Is it something obviously also from an operability 2142 03:17:58,479 --> 03:18:03,760 standpoint you know do we have all law enforcement move to it first and then 2143 03:18:02,160 --> 03:18:07,359 fire? So there's a multitude of different things that have to be taken 2144 03:18:05,120 --> 03:18:11,279 into account when we look at that. But again, we'll take the input from the 2145 03:18:09,840 --> 03:18:16,960 county participants and come up with that roadmap that makes sense and is 2146 03:18:13,279 --> 03:18:21,520 achievable. Uh and then uh we'll deliver the report um and we'll review it with 2147 03:18:19,359 --> 03:18:25,840 the stakeholders, make sure it it it meets all the needs. If there's any 2148 03:18:23,520 --> 03:18:30,720 input, we're happy to take that back and solidify that in a final report and then 2149 03:18:27,920 --> 03:18:35,040 of course do a presentation um to the county uh to to present those the final 2150 03:18:33,200 --> 03:18:40,479 outcome of that. So that all that culminates in our radio system analysis 2151 03:18:37,359 --> 03:18:45,120 and recommendations report. Next slide, please. 2152 03:18:42,720 --> 03:18:49,279 So I wanted to just give you a snapshot of uh we we've done over 3,500 uh 2153 03:18:47,920 --> 03:18:52,800 projects as a company. you know, I'll go into a little bit more detail on that 2154 03:18:50,720 --> 03:18:56,880 but in the next slide. But as far as just a sampling of of some of the um 2155 03:18:55,040 --> 03:19:03,600 efforts we've undertaken here in the state of Texas um and also um some some 2156 03:19:00,319 --> 03:19:08,000 other uh similarsized counties um around the country. One thing I wanted to say 2157 03:19:05,840 --> 03:19:11,840 is, you know, federal engineering brings all our knowledge and best practices to 2158 03:19:09,920 --> 03:19:16,560 this project. So everything we've learned from all those 3,500 other 2159 03:19:13,760 --> 03:19:21,680 projects, you know, best practices, um, intricacies of the projects, knowledge 2160 03:19:18,479 --> 03:19:25,840 of the of the vendors, um, I we bring all of that here. Um, also wanted to 2161 03:19:24,239 --> 03:19:29,120 point out for for example, in the case of El Paso, you know, our 2162 03:19:27,520 --> 03:19:33,200 recommendations are practical and implementable. Um, and we implement it 2163 03:19:31,680 --> 03:19:37,840 with a minimum of risk. We want to minimize risk for our clients and for 2164 03:19:35,040 --> 03:19:42,000 the county. So in in the El Paso's case, we did everything from needs assessment 2165 03:19:40,239 --> 03:19:46,160 to the alternatives analysis we're discussing here today. But in that case, 2166 03:19:44,239 --> 03:19:49,439 we went all the way through and implemented their system. We we helped 2167 03:19:47,760 --> 03:19:54,000 them with the procurement. We helped them implement the the actual system 2168 03:19:52,239 --> 03:19:58,960 with minimal amount of risk and they have a fully functioning uh P25 radio 2169 03:19:56,720 --> 03:20:03,279 communication system today. Um, and it was a it was it was a project that took 2170 03:20:00,960 --> 03:20:07,279 uh several years uh right from the I call it cradle to grave, but it it it 2171 03:20:05,439 --> 03:20:11,279 worked well. And so that's kind of some of the relevance uh wanted to point out 2172 03:20:09,040 --> 03:20:16,640 for Hood County. Um we are also vendor neutral. We have 2173 03:20:14,160 --> 03:20:21,520 never done work for equipment vendor in the past. We have no plans to do so in 2174 03:20:18,560 --> 03:20:26,800 the future. So we're truly unbiased um and independent consulting firm. uh and 2175 03:20:24,239 --> 03:20:32,319 that's important in these cases where for example uh Tilimo County uh we we've 2176 03:20:29,840 --> 03:20:36,319 just are completed the procurement we again did needs assessment alternative 2177 03:20:34,160 --> 03:20:40,000 analysis and so forth for them but uh we're right now they're in the 2178 03:20:38,000 --> 03:20:44,640 finalization of a contract with a vendor and again we we provided our our 2179 03:20:41,920 --> 03:20:48,319 feedback but um it is their decision and we we just look at everything 2180 03:20:46,399 --> 03:20:52,080 objectively and that's that's the way we operate. 2181 03:20:50,080 --> 03:20:59,520 Uh we have experience with all the major LMR radio vendors whether it be Motorola 2182 03:20:55,520 --> 03:21:04,800 um Harris, Tate, uh EF Johnson or JBC Kenwood. So we we are very wellversed 2183 03:21:02,720 --> 03:21:08,720 with all the different vendors um and so have and have uh good working 2184 03:21:06,479 --> 03:21:13,920 relationships with them and um our costbenefit analysis yields 2185 03:21:11,520 --> 03:21:17,760 recommendations that are justifiable. So in each of these cases we've when we've 2186 03:21:15,680 --> 03:21:23,040 provided alternatives um they've been implemented and and and u come at a at a 2187 03:21:20,720 --> 03:21:30,600 cost that is make sense to each of our uh a agency um that we work with. Um 2188 03:21:27,040 --> 03:21:30,600 next slide please. 2189 03:21:31,279 --> 03:21:37,359 All right so I wanted to kind of wrap things up with why federal engineering. 2190 03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:43,439 So we've been in the business 43 years. Um Ron Bosow our our founder and CEO is 2191 03:21:41,200 --> 03:21:48,319 still our CEO. So, we've have had consistent leadership uh throughout the 2192 03:21:45,439 --> 03:21:53,760 43 years we've been in the public safety business. Um, again, we're truly 2193 03:21:51,600 --> 03:21:58,720 independent. As I just mentioned, we have a very deep bench. We have over 50 2194 03:21:55,920 --> 03:22:03,439 subject matter experts, but important to that is we have a team here based here 2195 03:22:01,279 --> 03:22:08,000 in Texas to provide support to Hood County that the the project manager, the 2196 03:22:05,520 --> 03:22:12,800 technical lead, they're right here um in Texas. one's in the DFW area, one's in 2197 03:22:10,640 --> 03:22:17,359 Houston, and then they have a lot of other expertise to lean on within the 2198 03:22:14,640 --> 03:22:22,800 firm. Um, and we've done a lot of projects of this size and scope. Um, we 2199 03:22:20,479 --> 03:22:26,880 actually have our own small community consulting practice that really focuses 2200 03:22:24,880 --> 03:22:30,479 on comm community communities that might have a more limited population, but 2201 03:22:28,720 --> 03:22:36,160 large geographic area, a lot of volunteer uh first responders. Um, and 2202 03:22:33,520 --> 03:22:40,720 so we've we've dealt with uh different aspects. We understand every client's 2203 03:22:38,160 --> 03:22:46,720 unique and that's what uh makes us really focus on the needs uh for each 2204 03:22:43,840 --> 03:22:50,720 client. Um and we've had an excellent project performance. I I'm I'm very 2205 03:22:48,640 --> 03:22:54,880 proud to say that all our projects have always ended up a success. None none 2206 03:22:52,880 --> 03:22:59,760 have been a failed project. Uh we really take everything we do very seriously uh 2207 03:22:57,840 --> 03:23:04,640 given uh you know this is what we do for a living. 2208 03:23:01,680 --> 03:23:10,160 And um with that said, I I don't have much uh else to add. So, I'm gonna leave 2209 03:23:07,120 --> 03:23:14,880 it open to questions. >> Greg is in in DFW. You're in Fort Worth 2210 03:23:13,680 --> 03:23:20,880 or >> Dallas area. 2211 03:23:18,239 --> 03:23:24,239 » And you would be who would be on site doing our interviews and things. That 2212 03:23:23,520 --> 03:23:28,160 would be Greg. >> It would be myself and Lewis who's also 2213 03:23:27,200 --> 03:23:33,399 Texas-based. >> And that's the person that's in Houston. 2214 03:23:30,399 --> 03:23:33,399 » Yes. 2215 03:23:34,560 --> 03:23:40,479 » So, you Um, did you read the A Vistus report? 2216 03:23:39,520 --> 03:23:45,520 » Did I read the >> We had a an assessment done a few months 2217 03:23:43,200 --> 03:23:49,680 ago from I don't know if it's Avestus or A Vistus, but 2218 03:23:46,560 --> 03:23:52,160 » Oh. Oh, the the report I I I I took a look at it. Yes. 2219 03:23:50,399 --> 03:23:57,359 » Okay. What was your major takeaway from that? 2220 03:23:52,720 --> 03:24:03,800 » Um, you know what? I from what I recall, honestly, I I I I can't recall the 2221 03:24:00,000 --> 03:24:03,800 details to be honest. 2222 03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:08,319 Did you read that by any chance? >> No. 2223 03:24:07,680 --> 03:24:12,160 » Okay. >> No, but I I get a sense that uh the city 2224 03:24:11,840 --> 03:24:14,640 and >> Could you in the mic? 2225 03:24:13,040 --> 03:24:18,800 » Oh, I'm sorry. I I get a sense that the city and county entered into an 2226 03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:23,439 arrangement together that is now proving not to be not to not to be what you had 2227 03:24:22,000 --> 03:24:29,279 originally anticipated. >> Yeah. Do you know what the major 2228 03:24:26,479 --> 03:24:35,359 factors are in that or? I I assume there's some u fac Yeah, I I 2229 03:24:33,359 --> 03:24:39,720 I don't know. I I assume there's some political factors at play. 2230 03:24:39,840 --> 03:24:47,920 » We're So, one of the examples that that Rejie brought up was with uh Santa Fe. 2231 03:24:46,080 --> 03:24:51,120 Uh it's it's a good example. It's a project I'm it's a client I'm working 2232 03:24:49,680 --> 03:24:54,319 with now. We've been working with them since I think at least 2016 17. 2233 03:24:53,760 --> 03:24:59,920 » Yeah. >> It was city and county. Um we we did an 2234 03:24:58,160 --> 03:25:05,359 assessment for both of them at the same time and then they they kind of diverged 2235 03:25:02,640 --> 03:25:09,920 in where they wanted to head. Um the city immediately decided they wanted to 2236 03:25:07,600 --> 03:25:14,160 join the statewide network and the county wanted to take the take a look at 2237 03:25:12,399 --> 03:25:18,399 doing their own independent system and we we continued supporting their diver 2238 03:25:16,319 --> 03:25:24,479 their diverged interests and then the county eventually a few years uh uh you 2239 03:25:21,439 --> 03:25:28,800 know a ago decided they they wanted to rejoin the state state system but each 2240 03:25:26,880 --> 03:25:32,880 of them are independent and we've we looked at them independently through 2241 03:25:30,800 --> 03:25:36,720 their needs assessment. So things that applied to the city didn't necessarily 2242 03:25:34,720 --> 03:25:41,600 apply to the county, but we looked at how how each of those could could take 2243 03:25:38,960 --> 03:25:49,439 advantage of the opportunities and a shared regional communication system and 2244 03:25:44,880 --> 03:25:53,040 um shared dispatch uh and uh and interoperability. 2245 03:25:51,279 --> 03:25:58,319 » So could you go over again? I think you did this close to the beginning, but 2246 03:25:54,640 --> 03:26:03,200 just to make sure I understand what what is your vision of what the final report 2247 03:26:00,479 --> 03:26:07,840 looks like? Sure. >> So, the the vision of the final report 2248 03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:11,359 um and of course we'll work with the uh county if this is not exactly what 2249 03:26:09,680 --> 03:26:15,520 you're thinking, but the vision is going to be looking at different alternatives. 2250 03:26:13,520 --> 03:26:20,479 the the alternatives that we've seen based on the RF uh Q that was sent out 2251 03:26:18,160 --> 03:26:24,479 was staying with your existing uh radio network which is the Granbury regional 2252 03:26:22,239 --> 03:26:29,520 radio network and and how to enhance that participation going and building 2253 03:26:26,880 --> 03:26:34,239 your own system and operating it and also joining another regional uh partner 2254 03:26:31,920 --> 03:26:38,080 potentially and and how that uh looks and so the report will have these 2255 03:26:35,920 --> 03:26:42,800 different alternatives identified. It'll have coverage maps for each of the 2256 03:26:40,319 --> 03:26:47,439 different alternatives. It'll have um a key breakdown of what that configuration 2257 03:26:45,200 --> 03:26:52,479 looks like, what the benefits for each of the uh alternatives are, what are the 2258 03:26:49,920 --> 03:26:56,479 cons. We'll also have a a cost uh analysis for each of the alternatives. 2259 03:26:54,319 --> 03:27:01,760 So you can look at the pros and cons of joining or or or conduct or building out 2260 03:26:58,960 --> 03:27:07,279 that system plus have the cost uh that it entails. Um and then based on that we 2261 03:27:05,840 --> 03:27:13,040 would provide that and then come up with our prioritized recommendations based on 2262 03:27:09,920 --> 03:27:17,200 what is the best uh costbenefit analysis for Hood County. We would then 2263 03:27:15,040 --> 03:27:21,680 prioritize those recommendations and and submit it as part of that report. So it 2264 03:27:19,520 --> 03:27:25,120 would have essentially and of course as with all the reports there would be an 2265 03:27:23,120 --> 03:27:31,040 executive summary so you don't have to read all 100 plus pages and you can kind 2266 03:27:28,319 --> 03:27:35,760 of get the synopsis um in probably four or five pages of you know what the key 2267 03:27:33,359 --> 03:27:38,880 criteria was what are the different uh differences between the different 2268 03:27:36,880 --> 03:27:42,880 alternatives and what our prioritized recommendations look like and 2269 03:27:40,160 --> 03:27:47,840 » so is the cost just the implementation cost or is there another cost? 2270 03:27:45,279 --> 03:27:51,760 » Yeah, so we factor in um different types of cost. So we have the implementation 2271 03:27:49,840 --> 03:27:55,520 costs which is obviously very important but if you're of course joining a system 2272 03:27:53,920 --> 03:28:00,000 or something like that there's going to be perhaps some ongoing costs right and 2273 03:27:57,840 --> 03:28:03,600 then even uh if you own your own system there's the overall maintenance cost so 2274 03:28:02,080 --> 03:28:08,720 we'll factor all that in we like to call it total cost of ownership and we look 2275 03:28:05,840 --> 03:28:12,800 at that total cost of ownership for all all the different alternatives whether 2276 03:28:10,319 --> 03:28:16,640 it's joining a a system staying on the system you're currently sharing or 2277 03:28:14,880 --> 03:28:20,239 having your own system we we'll look at all those aspects so you can make 2278 03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:24,239 informed decision based on uh not just that upfront cost which I mean we know 2279 03:28:22,720 --> 03:28:27,920 with a building out your own system can be substantial but that overall total 2280 03:28:26,399 --> 03:28:32,880 cost of ownership and you can compare that to see okay maybe the upfront cost 2281 03:28:30,160 --> 03:28:37,600 for joining a system is less but then the total cost of ownership might not be 2282 03:28:34,880 --> 03:28:41,279 as as beneficial because the the ongoing cost of of being a part of that. So 2283 03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:44,080 we'll look at all that stuff to make sure 2284 03:28:41,520 --> 03:28:47,760 » we take that out 10 years, 15 years. >> We can do it we normally do it to 10 2285 03:28:45,760 --> 03:28:51,600 years, but we can do it to 15 years if if that's what you desire. That's 2286 03:28:49,439 --> 03:28:57,760 there's no hard and fast rule on that. >> So of one of the projects that's similar 2287 03:28:54,640 --> 03:29:02,800 to what we're doing, do you have a road map or a project plan or something that 2288 03:28:59,760 --> 03:29:06,560 you can share with us that can give us an idea? I mean, you could send it to 2289 03:29:04,880 --> 03:29:11,359 Glenn. I mean, not right this minute. >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yes. Absolutely. 2290 03:29:08,800 --> 03:29:14,160 the El Paso or Santa Fe or a different one that you didn't highlight, but it's 2291 03:29:12,960 --> 03:29:17,600 very similar to >> Sure. 2292 03:29:14,479 --> 03:29:21,359 » what we're doing to get an idea of your >> road map and or your project plan, how 2293 03:29:20,239 --> 03:29:24,239 you went about it. >> Absolutely. 2294 03:29:29,200 --> 03:29:37,040 I was just point out one of the one of the benefits that that I think federal 2295 03:29:34,160 --> 03:29:42,800 engineering has is having done so many projects and and the continual breadth 2296 03:29:40,080 --> 03:29:47,200 is that we've developed um we've we've leveraged a lot of uh cost models. So, 2297 03:29:45,439 --> 03:29:51,279 as we're looking out through our our budgeting cycle and looking longterm, 2298 03:29:49,439 --> 03:29:59,279 we've really honed in our our cost models to be able to help you budget um 2299 03:29:55,920 --> 03:30:04,800 accurately. So, you're not left you're not left, you know, too too much or too 2300 03:30:01,760 --> 03:30:08,640 too uh little for uh looking out. And we've had very successful engagements. 2301 03:30:06,960 --> 03:30:13,359 Most of our clients that we do assessments for uh enjoy the experience 2302 03:30:11,120 --> 03:30:17,279 so much that they tend to keep us on to help them through the implementation 2303 03:30:14,640 --> 03:30:20,160 phase like we are with Santa Fe County. >> Okay. 2304 03:30:18,000 --> 03:30:24,880 » Yeah. And the strategic roadmap uh like you were mentioning u we can work with 2305 03:30:22,399 --> 03:30:29,120 you to figure out based on the budget cycles and so forth how to phase that in 2306 03:30:26,960 --> 03:30:33,200 too. You know there's there's not always just one way to get from point A to 2307 03:30:30,640 --> 03:30:38,080 point B. And so we're very cognizant of hey maybe we move a certain set of first 2308 03:30:35,760 --> 03:30:42,239 responders first or dispatch centers or you know there's different ways to um to 2309 03:30:40,399 --> 03:30:45,680 basically come up with it. All depends on what the alternative and the 2310 03:30:43,520 --> 03:30:49,760 recommended solution ends up being. But we'll definitely work with you to make 2311 03:30:47,439 --> 03:30:55,319 sure that there's a strategic um uh roadmap that makes sense to the county. 2312 03:30:52,160 --> 03:30:55,319 » Thank you. 2313 03:30:56,720 --> 03:31:01,920 » Thank you all very much. Good presentation. 2314 03:30:59,760 --> 03:31:05,399 » Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Appreciate it. 2315 03:31:25,680 --> 03:31:29,640 » I actually didn't even notice. 2316 03:31:37,279 --> 03:31:40,600 Come on down. 2317 03:31:44,960 --> 03:31:49,800 » Had it to there, please. 2318 03:32:02,960 --> 03:32:06,279 Thank you, sir. 2319 03:32:52,720 --> 03:33:00,800 Well, thank you very much. Um, we're with Trot Communications Group. I'm 2320 03:32:56,640 --> 03:33:06,000 Barry Black. This is Tom Murphy. Thank you for the opportunity to come 2321 03:33:02,319 --> 03:33:10,000 and uh speak this afternoon. Guess we'll go ahead and get started. 2322 03:33:07,760 --> 03:33:14,239 Um, so a little bit about Trot Communications Group. We're a radio 2323 03:33:12,399 --> 03:33:19,920 frequency engineering consulting firm. We've been in business for almost 50 2324 03:33:16,560 --> 03:33:25,600 years, about 48 years now. We're located in Irving, Texas, so we're not too far 2325 03:33:21,920 --> 03:33:30,880 away. And we we are a minority owned business. We're owned by um 2326 03:33:28,560 --> 03:33:35,359 » womanown. Yes. [laughter] 2327 03:33:32,960 --> 03:33:39,840 Um but we are independent of all equipment manufacturers. We are not 2328 03:33:37,439 --> 03:33:45,120 associated with any certain radio vendor like Motorola, L3, Harris. We work on 2329 03:33:41,840 --> 03:33:49,040 projects for all those companies and uh we are completely independent of not 2330 03:33:47,120 --> 03:33:54,720 only those equipment manufacturers but also installers, distributors and 2331 03:33:52,319 --> 03:34:00,960 integrators. So we're not associated with any of those. Our main customers 2332 03:33:58,160 --> 03:34:07,840 are in the public safety industry. We do do a lot of projects for transportation 2333 03:34:03,920 --> 03:34:15,040 and utilities uh education as well and then also private radio systems as well. 2334 03:34:10,720 --> 03:34:21,439 Um we have a lot of experience with P25 phase 1 and phase 2 systems and we have 2335 03:34:19,359 --> 03:34:27,000 over the years we've managed well over 300 critical radio system projects. 2336 03:34:30,640 --> 03:34:38,560 So, we uh as far as our qualifications go, thank you. Um we have experience 2337 03:34:36,319 --> 03:34:44,080 with P25 as I just stated, but we've also have projects that are digital 2338 03:34:41,439 --> 03:34:48,160 mobile radio projects, DMR it's called. Um some of the older systems, 2339 03:34:46,000 --> 03:34:54,319 conventional systems, um Simocast radio systems, multi-sight 2340 03:34:51,279 --> 03:35:00,080 systems. These are different types of uh ways that the tower sites transmit these 2341 03:34:57,840 --> 03:35:05,359 signals if you will and then of course trunking as well. Uh we have experience 2342 03:35:03,040 --> 03:35:12,640 as I stated earlier with all the major manufacturers Motorola, L3 Harris and EF 2343 03:35:09,439 --> 03:35:18,479 Johnson. Those are the main three P25 vendors. We uh we've worked on small 2344 03:35:15,840 --> 03:35:23,040 systems, basic systems and more complex systems. Um, an example of a basic 2345 03:35:21,279 --> 03:35:28,399 system would be maybe like a three-sight conventional P25 system, three tower 2346 03:35:25,439 --> 03:35:33,200 sites. Um, but a more complex system would be one 2347 03:35:30,640 --> 03:35:40,560 that would be multiple counties that are connected. um maybe multiple Simocast 2348 03:35:37,040 --> 03:35:46,479 cells, 20 plus sites with 20 channels per site and a very complex microwave 2349 03:35:44,000 --> 03:35:51,359 back hall that connects all the sites and provides all the data to the sites 2350 03:35:48,239 --> 03:35:56,560 for the retransmission out to the users um the first responders. 2351 03:35:54,800 --> 03:36:01,200 Some of the recent projects we've worked on um have included things like 2352 03:35:59,279 --> 03:36:06,479 redundancy. It's very important for a public safety radio system. uh IP back 2353 03:36:04,319 --> 03:36:15,359 haul using not only microwave but also fiber and um a lot of the projects 2354 03:36:10,160 --> 03:36:21,120 include encryption uh GPS on the PTT smartphone gateways LTE and Wi-Fi 2355 03:36:18,239 --> 03:36:26,399 connectivity and interoperability and of course um you know new consoles that 2356 03:36:24,640 --> 03:36:32,160 have backup radios in case there's a loss of the system and you can transmit 2357 03:36:28,640 --> 03:36:32,160 over the air and still be connected. 2358 03:36:34,960 --> 03:36:44,000 Thank you. So, all of our projects, we always have kind of a mission or a 2359 03:36:41,279 --> 03:36:51,600 project mission in mind and we're always committed to supporting the customer 2360 03:36:47,680 --> 03:36:56,080 without bias. Um, you know, we're always acting in the best interest of the 2361 03:36:53,439 --> 03:37:01,359 county or the customer or the city, whoever we're working for. and we feel 2362 03:36:59,040 --> 03:37:08,319 like we're uniquely qualified and knowledgeable and locally available with 2363 03:37:04,160 --> 03:37:14,720 a full range of of evaluations for what the county is looking to explore in this 2364 03:37:11,040 --> 03:37:20,800 situation. Um, we wanted to point out we we we have a lot of experience locally 2365 03:37:17,279 --> 03:37:24,479 here. Um, but our past efforts with the city of Granberry 2366 03:37:22,880 --> 03:37:31,279 is not going to be a conflict of interest at all in this situation. If 2367 03:37:26,560 --> 03:37:35,840 y'all decide to go with us, we we uh we we are currently working on other 2368 03:37:33,600 --> 03:37:40,880 projects in the area as well, including uh Tom's working on county and 2369 03:37:38,319 --> 03:37:46,720 Somersville County right now as well. And I actually worked on the city of 2370 03:37:42,720 --> 03:37:50,399 Granberry system day one. Um Tom, you also worked on Stevenville, city of 2371 03:37:48,479 --> 03:37:54,800 Stevenville when when they were joining the GRRN as well. 2372 03:37:53,120 --> 03:37:59,520 » Let me let me just clarify that. Do you current are you currently contracting 2373 03:37:57,680 --> 03:38:02,880 with the city of Granberry? >> No, we are not. We do not have a 2374 03:38:01,279 --> 03:38:05,680 purchase order at all with them. >> Okay. So, no statements of work in 2375 03:38:04,720 --> 03:38:12,399 progress or >> No, ma'am. I I will say that they they 2376 03:38:09,359 --> 03:38:18,160 have been ones that um after the project was over and the system was accepted uh 2377 03:38:15,680 --> 03:38:23,040 which kind of ended the project let's say for a consulting role like we were 2378 03:38:20,479 --> 03:38:26,720 providing they've had some small projects that have come up where they 2379 03:38:24,560 --> 03:38:31,520 need some additional help and they have contracted us to do something really 2380 03:38:28,399 --> 03:38:35,439 small u but right now we have nothing with them. 2381 03:38:33,680 --> 03:38:42,800 So, if you were selected for this project, would you see that as a 2382 03:38:39,040 --> 03:38:46,640 conflict to accept additional work or We wouldn't. We would not because we 2383 03:38:44,960 --> 03:38:53,840 would be working in in your best interest with with your goals in mind. 2384 03:38:49,680 --> 03:38:58,080 And um if if they approached us to ask us to do something because we are 2385 03:38:56,239 --> 03:39:01,840 working for y'all, we would we would vet that with you guys first. If we think 2386 03:39:00,239 --> 03:39:07,439 it's a conflict of interest, we would stand down on that. We're not going to 2387 03:39:04,880 --> 03:39:12,880 start a project and then have something come up that would potentially create a 2388 03:39:10,000 --> 03:39:15,920 conflict of interest. Um, but at this point, we don't see it being a conflict 2389 03:39:14,720 --> 03:39:24,640 of interest because we don't have an open project with them. And clearly your 2390 03:39:20,239 --> 03:39:30,399 you know the the help that you need um is is u you know we would move forward 2391 03:39:28,160 --> 03:39:37,120 on that project considering what you need and not consider anything from the 2392 03:39:33,279 --> 03:39:40,120 past really uh from from them or radio system. 2393 03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:47,439 So I I was pointing out a little bit earlier that we do have a lot of 2394 03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:55,040 experience with all the the major manufacturers of P25 equipment. Um these 2395 03:39:51,200 --> 03:39:59,439 are examples of L3 Harris um projects that are currently 2396 03:39:57,120 --> 03:40:04,720 uh some of them have been completed but some of them are currently underway. Uh 2397 03:40:02,000 --> 03:40:09,279 one in particular the city of uh Lach Texas that's an L3 Harris project. 2398 03:40:07,279 --> 03:40:14,880 Somerville County and RAF County. Those are currently underway. Uh Vanzant 2399 03:40:12,560 --> 03:40:20,560 County and Hunt County, Texas are both L3 Harris systems. Those are both in 2400 03:40:17,600 --> 03:40:27,439 progress, almost wrapped up on both of those. And then of course, uh Granberry 2401 03:40:24,319 --> 03:40:33,680 there you see and Stevenville. Um and then we also did a project for Corpus 2402 03:40:29,520 --> 03:40:38,479 Christi and Rock Wall, Texas. Um all L3 hair systems. And I just wanted to point 2403 03:40:36,319 --> 03:40:43,439 out the L3 Harris since y'all have L3 Harris infrastructure at your sites and 2404 03:40:41,920 --> 03:40:46,640 » but you also have experience with Motorola. 2405 03:40:44,399 --> 03:40:53,040 » Yes, ma'am. Yes, we have a we have Motorola projects going on right now. Um 2406 03:40:49,920 --> 03:40:57,960 and then one EF Johnson project with DFW airport. 2407 03:40:54,239 --> 03:40:57,960 » Yeah, the bas. 2408 03:41:01,200 --> 03:41:04,200 » Yeah. 2409 03:41:04,800 --> 03:41:06,640 Yes. >> Ector. 2410 03:41:06,239 --> 03:41:12,800 » No. >> Was it Ector County? 2411 03:41:09,600 --> 03:41:16,479 » My superior. Okay. It's the one to the west. 2412 03:41:14,800 --> 03:41:19,880 » It's Midland County for sure. >> Yes. 2413 03:41:16,880 --> 03:41:19,880 » Yeah. 2414 03:41:22,000 --> 03:41:29,600 » Okay. I'm gonna throw this to Tom. Tom's going to give you some feedback on a 2415 03:41:27,040 --> 03:41:34,640 project that we think is very similar to what what you guys are kind of looking 2416 03:41:31,760 --> 03:41:40,479 at. That's what I call case study. So, >> yes. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Short guy. Uh, so 2417 03:41:37,760 --> 03:41:45,359 Davis County, Kentucky, uh, was a system I worked on. It ended up being Motorola, 2418 03:41:42,560 --> 03:41:50,080 but um, so that was a case where they were a VHF conventional looking to go 2419 03:41:47,359 --> 03:41:55,840 P25. Their county seat, the city of Owensboro, already had a P25 Motorola 2420 03:41:52,720 --> 03:41:59,680 system with a core. We actually helped them with the RFP, the selection, the 2421 03:41:58,160 --> 03:42:04,560 implementation, but we actually wrote that RFP such that all the vendors had 2422 03:42:02,319 --> 03:42:08,800 to reply that they were going to build out an independent system, but 2423 03:42:06,880 --> 03:42:12,399 recognizing that this existing system was there, they could supply an 2424 03:42:10,160 --> 03:42:16,239 alternate solution along with that primary solution. Well, the alternate 2425 03:42:14,720 --> 03:42:20,319 solution did end up getting picked because of financial reasons. And so the 2426 03:42:18,239 --> 03:42:25,600 county which already shared dispatch operations with the city ended up 2427 03:42:23,120 --> 03:42:31,439 building out a three-sight simocast the city sites data multiccast kind of like 2428 03:42:27,840 --> 03:42:36,880 chalk mountain is for uh hood and shared core continued shared dispatch and that 2429 03:42:34,080 --> 03:42:43,040 got implemented up and running great but again kind of you know politics happened 2430 03:42:39,840 --> 03:42:46,000 and uh Davis wanted to explore separating 2431 03:42:44,560 --> 03:42:50,640 whether it be a full divorce or a separate divorce and so we did a study 2432 03:42:47,920 --> 03:42:56,319 for them budgetary uh what would it take budgetary to kind of three scenarios 2433 03:42:54,239 --> 03:43:01,439 just split dispatch split dispatch and all their RF sites 2434 03:42:58,560 --> 03:43:05,600 and core and in that case state of Kentucky has an existing Motorola system 2435 03:43:03,359 --> 03:43:10,399 as well so they also looked at maybe joining instead of purchasing their own 2436 03:43:07,279 --> 03:43:14,720 core joining to the state system to see if there's any savings there so um they 2437 03:43:13,520 --> 03:43:18,319 you know we did that whole study for them they ended up uh they have not 2438 03:43:16,239 --> 03:43:23,680 split off that they are still building a public safety facility separate with a 2439 03:43:20,479 --> 03:43:27,680 nicer dispatch. So, you know, who knows? But currently, they end up staying. But 2440 03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:30,560 it was an interesting study that I thought had a lot of similar 2441 03:43:28,720 --> 03:43:34,120 ramifications that you guys are kind of exploring here. 2442 03:43:34,399 --> 03:43:37,800 » Thanks, Tom. 2443 03:43:40,960 --> 03:43:43,960 » Okay. 2444 03:43:44,399 --> 03:43:52,720 So, as far as Trot's knowledge and then some of the project challenges that we 2445 03:43:49,840 --> 03:43:58,399 have wanted to kind of um outline here, we have a very good understanding of the 2446 03:43:55,520 --> 03:44:05,120 current Granberry Regional Radio Network because we worked on it from day one. Um 2447 03:44:01,920 --> 03:44:11,920 that was not one where we wrote an RFP uh to help the city. the city was was 2448 03:44:07,600 --> 03:44:17,520 interested in L3 Harris and we reviewed a proposal from L3 Harris and helped the 2449 03:44:14,720 --> 03:44:23,520 city get that into one that really met their needs and requirements and then 2450 03:44:19,840 --> 03:44:28,640 then the project moved forward. Um, and then we helped them with implementation. 2451 03:44:26,000 --> 03:44:34,960 We also helped them with uh the close out and the testing to make sure 2452 03:44:30,960 --> 03:44:40,239 everything worked right. And um so that was kind of that project with with 2453 03:44:36,720 --> 03:44:44,080 Granberry. Um we feel that our knowledge will result 2454 03:44:42,399 --> 03:44:48,960 in a more efficient process of evaluating potential changes uh for the 2455 03:44:46,880 --> 03:44:54,080 county. We really understand everything. We won't need to start from scratch. Um, 2456 03:44:52,160 --> 03:45:00,000 there are numerous challenges that will require substantial consideration and 2457 03:44:56,399 --> 03:45:05,120 planning and design efforts for the county to break away from the GRRN. And 2458 03:45:03,680 --> 03:45:08,560 some of those things we wanted to kind of list here just to kind of put them 2459 03:45:06,560 --> 03:45:13,760 out there. One thing is coverage, RF coverage. And anytime you're changing 2460 03:45:11,439 --> 03:45:20,000 coverage, you you also have to update your FCC licensing. So, there's FCC 2461 03:45:16,479 --> 03:45:23,600 licensing considerations as well. Um, and then that gets into site 2462 03:45:21,359 --> 03:45:28,720 acquisition. You've got to either build towers or you need to lease some towers 2463 03:45:25,840 --> 03:45:32,880 to put your equipment on. So that and site upgrades, bringing in generators 2464 03:45:30,560 --> 03:45:38,239 and shelters and things like that, uh, are another challenge. um the back hall 2465 03:45:36,640 --> 03:45:43,680 which is what connects all the sites together through microwave typically or 2466 03:45:40,239 --> 03:45:48,239 fiber that will have to be reconfigured uh in most cases and and then that 2467 03:45:45,840 --> 03:45:54,239 relates or goes into FCC licensing for the microwave system. Um 2468 03:45:51,279 --> 03:45:59,840 interoperability replacement due to a loss of talk groups. Um, when you're 2469 03:45:57,120 --> 03:46:03,680 part of a regional radio system, um, your interoperability with others that 2470 03:46:01,680 --> 03:46:07,840 are on that system is purely through talk groups that are designed for 2471 03:46:06,160 --> 03:46:14,399 interoperability. When when you if you broke away from a 2472 03:46:11,840 --> 03:46:18,800 radio system and have your own system, then you've got to replace that 2473 03:46:16,000 --> 03:46:23,600 interoperability somehow uh so that you can have mutual aid and and and 2474 03:46:20,640 --> 03:46:27,359 assistance by other agencies. And so you can do that by different means. There's 2475 03:46:25,600 --> 03:46:31,600 different ways to do that. And that's what I'm kind of talking about here. 2476 03:46:28,800 --> 03:46:35,920 You'll have to, you know, decide who do you need to interoperate with and decide 2477 03:46:33,760 --> 03:46:41,279 and figure out a way to do that going forward because you won't do that just 2478 03:46:38,160 --> 03:46:46,560 on the radio. Um, unless you have your your talk group, your unit IDs 2479 03:46:44,000 --> 03:46:51,760 programmed into both systems. You can use interops to do that or you 2480 03:46:49,040 --> 03:46:56,479 can use something called ISSI to do that as well. 2481 03:46:53,199 --> 03:46:59,680 um cut over planning will be a challenge u because you have a live radio system 2482 03:46:58,319 --> 03:47:04,239 now you're not moving from a conventional system to a P25 system 2483 03:47:01,760 --> 03:47:10,239 you're moving from a P25 system possibly to your own P25 system so cut over 2484 03:47:07,600 --> 03:47:15,840 becomes tricky because you've got users on it and it's live um training also 2485 03:47:14,160 --> 03:47:20,880 becomes important there will be another level of training if you purchase your 2486 03:47:18,319 --> 03:47:24,800 own cores there's training that will need to be provided 2487 03:47:22,479 --> 03:47:29,199 so that uh the people that maintain the radio system for the county understand 2488 03:47:27,120 --> 03:47:35,120 all the new equipment they're having to get um and understand how to use the 2489 03:47:32,479 --> 03:47:41,520 network management tools to be able to to monitor the system and u its health 2490 03:47:38,800 --> 03:47:46,160 and and operations and things like that. Um 2491 03:47:44,080 --> 03:47:49,279 there'll also need to probably be an update to the maintenance service 2492 03:47:47,600 --> 03:47:53,920 agreement if there's an existing maintenance service agreement in place. 2493 03:47:51,359 --> 03:47:58,399 It's typically for this set of equipment. If you expand your equipment, 2494 03:47:56,479 --> 03:48:02,080 you've kind of expanded that maintenance agreement uh so that your equipment's 2495 03:48:00,640 --> 03:48:05,680 covered and you're getting the the proper updates for cyber, 2496 03:48:04,800 --> 03:48:12,319 excuse me, [clears throat] cyber security and and uh various u updates 2497 03:48:09,520 --> 03:48:15,920 that are needed along the way. Critical spares are kind of the same thing. If 2498 03:48:14,080 --> 03:48:20,080 you've got more equipment now, then you may need a bigger set of critical 2499 03:48:17,600 --> 03:48:24,800 spares. And then the last thing of course that's that's a not necessarily a 2500 03:48:22,880 --> 03:48:28,160 challenge but in a project like this you've always got to look at the 2501 03:48:26,000 --> 03:48:32,560 associated costs. So there'll be a substantial cost analysis as Tom 2502 03:48:30,239 --> 03:48:37,680 mentioned was done for Davis County that we thought was a very similar project to 2503 03:48:35,279 --> 03:48:43,359 what you are looking at here. That would be important. 2504 03:48:39,760 --> 03:48:46,560 » Oh yeah. Gosh. Yes. Okay. Next slide. Okay, 2505 03:48:43,840 --> 03:48:51,359 » so this is just a layout of the GRRN and it shows Hood County and it and and 2506 03:48:49,760 --> 03:48:55,840 really it's just to show that there's four Simoccast sites there and two of 2507 03:48:54,319 --> 03:48:59,840 them are the cities and two of them are the counties and then of course Chalk 2508 03:48:57,279 --> 03:49:06,239 Mountain down here. So that's just that you can go to the next slide. 2509 03:49:03,760 --> 03:49:10,080 Okay, our advantages, we're we're local. We're only an hour and a half away. So, 2510 03:49:08,080 --> 03:49:14,880 we're here for um you know, short notice meetings and 2511 03:49:12,399 --> 03:49:19,680 things like that at minimal cost. We have a thorough understanding of the 2512 03:49:16,239 --> 03:49:25,359 GRRN. Our past experience analyzing client separation from a regional radio 2513 03:49:22,640 --> 03:49:30,160 network to achieve autonomy is what Tom talked about. We are currently working 2514 03:49:27,199 --> 03:49:37,199 four projects in Texas that are L3 Harris and two of them are right here in 2515 03:49:34,239 --> 03:49:40,399 neighbors of y'all and Somerville. And we have a really good working 2516 03:49:38,399 --> 03:49:44,479 relationship with L3 Harris, their sales team, their implementation and warranty 2517 03:49:42,160 --> 03:49:49,680 and maintenance service teams because of all these relationships that we've built 2518 03:49:46,319 --> 03:49:54,720 with them. And so we feel like we have that's a that's a plus that we kind of 2519 03:49:52,319 --> 03:49:58,120 know the people um that are associated with those projects. 2520 03:49:58,239 --> 03:50:05,600 » And that I believe that's the last one. Any questions? 2521 03:50:01,840 --> 03:50:11,199 » Yes. So in your own um kind of your own words I guess for 2522 03:50:07,520 --> 03:50:16,000 lack of better words could give me an concise explanation of what our problem 2523 03:50:13,760 --> 03:50:23,120 statement is. >> So it's it's our understanding that 2524 03:50:20,880 --> 03:50:29,120 y'all are part of a regional radio network now and maybe things aren't 2525 03:50:26,080 --> 03:50:35,439 exactly the way you thought they were going to be. 2526 03:50:30,800 --> 03:50:39,359 um you you rely on others to manage that radio system and they make decisions 2527 03:50:37,760 --> 03:50:43,840 possibly and I know that there's associated costs with being on that 2528 03:50:41,439 --> 03:50:49,439 system that maybe >> have changed 2529 03:50:44,960 --> 03:50:55,359 » have changed. Yeah. And um so our role with with the city of Granberry on on 2530 03:50:52,160 --> 03:50:58,960 all that was purely a mathematical um component. 2531 03:50:57,840 --> 03:51:07,040 » Maybe I wasn't clear. >> Yeah. What is it that we're our problem 2532 03:51:02,479 --> 03:51:10,880 today and what is your vision for your deliverable and how it would address 2533 03:51:08,720 --> 03:51:15,040 that pro problem? What is your vision for what your final deliverable would 2534 03:51:13,359 --> 03:51:17,920 look like and how it would address that problem? 2535 03:51:15,520 --> 03:51:21,920 » Sure. Sure. So, I think what you've got to look at first is you we probably need 2536 03:51:19,920 --> 03:51:26,399 to sit down with stakeholders and make sure that we're all on the same page as 2537 03:51:23,920 --> 03:51:31,359 far as what exactly your needs and requirements 2538 03:51:28,399 --> 03:51:37,120 are um versus what they are, you know, what's going on today. So, we would come 2539 03:51:33,600 --> 03:51:41,359 up with a plan on what it takes to separate yourself from what you're 2540 03:51:39,199 --> 03:51:46,399 connected to today with the Granberry system. And we would lay that out and 2541 03:51:43,920 --> 03:51:49,760 say, you know, to maintain your coverage, you need to do this. To 2542 03:51:48,239 --> 03:51:54,080 maintain your back haul, you would have to do this. If you don't want to connect 2543 03:51:51,439 --> 03:51:58,399 through their tower sites anymore, then you'd have to do this. And so, we would 2544 03:51:55,760 --> 03:52:02,880 come up with a detailed plan that says you need to do X, Y, and Z, and here's 2545 03:52:01,199 --> 03:52:07,840 the associated cost. And there could be multiple options here. There's the 2546 03:52:05,359 --> 03:52:10,960 situation of, you know, and I'm not sure y'all are interested in this, but 2547 03:52:09,279 --> 03:52:16,800 there's there's a system in Fort Worth that you could potentially join. 2548 03:52:13,600 --> 03:52:24,000 But if y'all want to own your own core, be in complete control of your radio 2549 03:52:19,920 --> 03:52:28,960 system, then the path I see forward is that's an L3 Harris system with your own 2550 03:52:26,080 --> 03:52:32,720 core here locally, and y'all manage it and take care of it. And if somebody 2551 03:52:31,199 --> 03:52:37,680 else wants to join y'all's system, then y'all could potentially talk about that. 2552 03:52:35,279 --> 03:52:43,439 But now you're in control. And our deliverable would be that plan with 2553 03:52:40,319 --> 03:52:47,760 associated costs and a an estimated timeline that it would take you all to 2554 03:52:45,600 --> 03:52:52,560 get there. That's what I would anticipate our deliverable to be. 2555 03:52:50,000 --> 03:52:56,720 » Okay. And is the cost the implementation cost or 2556 03:52:54,160 --> 03:53:02,080 » the so the cost we we could provide typically we do this all the time is 2557 03:52:59,040 --> 03:53:07,439 they would be budgetary costs for the equipment the implementation 2558 03:53:04,560 --> 03:53:13,880 um and we could do long-term maintenance as well like ownership for 15 years 2559 03:53:09,600 --> 03:53:13,880 let's say um 2560 03:53:14,239 --> 03:53:22,239 » kind of like now opportunity to work out with some Uh they kind of 2561 03:53:20,960 --> 03:53:28,479 » come to the mic, please. >> I'm sorry. Uh possible recoup cost by 2562 03:53:26,640 --> 03:53:32,399 just similar what Granberry is doing. If you can work out agreements with 2563 03:53:30,319 --> 03:53:37,040 Somerville, IRAP, who else knows in the future to they join your core and now 2564 03:53:35,040 --> 03:53:42,399 you have an ILA with them, you know. >> Well, that that [clears throat] got my 2565 03:53:38,399 --> 03:53:46,880 attention on your last page. Uh so you are working with and Somerville. 2566 03:53:44,080 --> 03:53:55,279 » Yes, sir. cuz I've talked to both judges in both in Beach County and u very um 2567 03:53:52,640 --> 03:53:58,000 let's say receptive to working something out. 2568 03:53:56,640 --> 03:54:03,600 » Yes. >> Yes. And I know and I kind of know that 2569 03:54:00,399 --> 03:54:07,359 working with them obviously they uh with the new ILA pricing they I think were in 2570 03:54:05,920 --> 03:54:11,880 a very similar boat to you guys and weren't necessarily happy with that. So, 2571 03:54:12,479 --> 03:54:20,080 » so clearly our deliverable could include um you know additional 2572 03:54:18,160 --> 03:54:24,000 looking at some scenarios like that if if if they were something that they were 2573 03:54:22,399 --> 03:54:28,960 looking at too >> check out the aistus report that we had 2574 03:54:27,520 --> 03:54:33,359 you read that >> what can you get 2575 03:54:30,720 --> 03:54:36,960 » what was your major takeaway from that report 2576 03:54:34,319 --> 03:54:42,720 » I it it totally made sense from my understanding what's been going down in 2577 03:54:38,560 --> 03:54:46,000 the GR and I didn't have any uh any I didn't think there was anything wrong 2578 03:54:43,600 --> 03:54:49,920 with it there. You know, they correctly pointed out how, 2579 03:54:48,080 --> 03:54:54,640 you know, you your options are going to be like we did with Davis K. Your 2580 03:54:51,520 --> 03:55:00,000 options are going to be essentially acquire your own core. Uh price it out. 2581 03:54:58,080 --> 03:55:04,960 Price out what it would take to join a Motorola core as Barry mentioned in Fort 2582 03:55:02,720 --> 03:55:08,080 Worth. you know, there's cost costs there because uh the infrastructure is 2583 03:55:06,479 --> 03:55:11,920 going to have to be changed, but you price it. You need to, you know, you're 2584 03:55:09,600 --> 03:55:16,560 the customer and to make an informed decision, you just need to know what 2585 03:55:13,199 --> 03:55:20,399 those pricing costs are. Uh, you know, so 2586 03:55:17,520 --> 03:55:22,960 » yeah. Well, that that's what we were looking for is what the RFP said is, 2587 03:55:22,640 --> 03:55:27,279 » yeah, >> list the alternatives, list the pros and 2588 03:55:24,880 --> 03:55:31,120 cons, list all the costs, >> and you know, so we can make and I 2589 03:55:29,920 --> 03:55:35,040 didn't hear you say that. >> Oh, go ahead. Sorry about that. You said 2590 03:55:33,199 --> 03:55:38,160 it sounds like you need to go to this and 2591 03:55:35,840 --> 03:55:41,040 » no hair system and we're gonna tell you how to get to hair system and no not at 2592 03:55:40,800 --> 03:55:44,319 all. >> Well, no. Clearly, 2593 03:55:42,399 --> 03:55:50,880 » one of the options would be to look at what it would cost to join a Motorola 2594 03:55:46,880 --> 03:55:53,680 core uh as an example or the No, the state doesn't really So, you know, but 2595 03:55:52,160 --> 03:55:57,520 we would just look around. Yeah. And give you as many options as possible so 2596 03:55:56,000 --> 03:56:01,520 as a customer you make an informed decision. So, would you like to restate 2597 03:55:59,359 --> 03:56:04,160 what your vision of the what the final report would look like? 2598 03:56:02,640 --> 03:56:06,960 » I thought you were asking my opinion on what the best path and the easiest path 2599 03:56:06,319 --> 03:56:10,239 would be. >> Well, then I mean then you're going to 2600 03:56:08,319 --> 03:56:13,359 be biased if you already think of that's the best path. 2601 03:56:11,520 --> 03:56:17,840 » Well, it's only because you've made a substantial uh investment in L3 Harris 2602 03:56:16,000 --> 03:56:21,760 equipment at some sites. That's why we're saying that. The question is, 2603 03:56:19,439 --> 03:56:27,600 according to our RFQ, >> what is your vision of the final report 2604 03:56:24,399 --> 03:56:33,520 » options for you to evaluate and determine what's the best option for the 2605 03:56:29,680 --> 03:56:38,239 county? Um, and that can that can be really broad. If you're interested in in 2606 03:56:36,000 --> 03:56:44,080 joining another system, like I said, Fort Worth, then that could be part of 2607 03:56:40,000 --> 03:56:48,319 it as well. Or it could be purely that you're wanting to look at having your 2608 03:56:45,920 --> 03:56:52,960 own core and running your own system. And then we could look at different 2609 03:56:49,680 --> 03:56:58,239 options for all the care all the all the providers. You know, what would that be 2610 03:56:55,040 --> 03:57:03,120 for um Motorola? What would that be for L3 Harris? What would that be for EF 2611 03:56:59,920 --> 03:57:08,399 Johnson if if you want to go that far? >> Talk about what is your time frame 2612 03:57:05,439 --> 03:57:12,720 » for getting this completely done? >> Well, I I guess it depends on how 2613 03:57:10,160 --> 03:57:17,840 quickly we get a contract and and work out all that, but I would say probably 2614 03:57:15,920 --> 03:57:20,640 it just depends on that scope. If you want to go the Fort Worth route and all 2615 03:57:19,359 --> 03:57:25,760 that too, >> um probably four to six months. 2616 03:57:23,600 --> 03:57:33,040 » Yeah, sounds great. We didn't really go in there. I will say this, we we just 2617 03:57:29,920 --> 03:57:38,239 worked on a needs assessment study for a county project that's 10 sites, 20 2618 03:57:35,840 --> 03:57:44,640 channels per site simoc cast in another state and we talked to two major 2619 03:57:42,000 --> 03:57:52,880 manufacturers because they were really the main options here. Um, and so that 2620 03:57:49,760 --> 03:57:58,160 took probably about 4 months to get that pricing, meet with them, talk to them, 2621 03:57:55,840 --> 03:58:02,319 get because they have to go back and and crank some numbers and bring back some 2622 03:58:00,640 --> 03:58:05,840 information. They they don't just do it overnight. They even though you would 2623 03:58:04,640 --> 03:58:10,479 think that they would do it quicker than they do, but to get all that 2624 03:58:08,239 --> 03:58:13,199 information, ask the questions, look at the information. And sometimes you got 2625 03:58:11,840 --> 03:58:18,720 to go back and forth with them and figure out, you know, what what they 2626 03:58:15,359 --> 03:58:23,439 exactly mean. But to come to a final product that would be deliverable to the 2627 03:58:20,720 --> 03:58:29,279 county, I would say four to six months. >> So you didn't I know I went back to your 2628 03:58:26,960 --> 03:58:33,920 your response and I had a question mark. What's the timeline? because there 2629 03:58:30,640 --> 03:58:38,720 wasn't anything in here that um on your it just said that you would you would 2630 03:58:36,880 --> 03:58:43,359 achieve our timeline goals but you didn't I mean this is you're you have a 2631 03:58:41,120 --> 03:58:45,920 lot of experience doing this you did this with Davies County so 2632 03:58:45,279 --> 03:58:49,279 » sure >> um I was just didn't understand why you 2633 03:58:48,080 --> 03:58:53,399 didn't put in a timeline >> timeline 2634 03:58:50,399 --> 03:58:53,399 » apologize 2635 03:58:56,960 --> 03:59:00,199 that's not 2636 03:59:01,040 --> 03:59:05,760 It's it's clearly >> four months. 2637 03:59:04,239 --> 03:59:09,399 » Yeah, >> four to six months. 2638 03:59:11,920 --> 03:59:19,199 » I think boy, I should have thought to say this earlier, but I think that it's 2639 03:59:16,640 --> 03:59:23,040 important that that we understand that this is not an us against them 2640 03:59:20,880 --> 03:59:27,760 situation. Granberry is in Hood County. Those are 2641 03:59:24,960 --> 03:59:31,840 our taxpayers also. and we need to find the best solution for everybody. I 2642 03:59:30,319 --> 03:59:36,479 think, you know, just just to re-emphasize that that it's it's, you 2643 03:59:34,319 --> 03:59:43,080 know, we need to we need to come up with the best for the whole county. So, 2644 03:59:39,600 --> 03:59:43,080 completely agree. 2645 03:59:44,560 --> 03:59:49,279 » Thank you'all very much. >> Oh, thank you very much. 2646 03:59:46,720 --> 03:59:55,760 » All right. Appreciate it. >> Okay. Well, at straight up one o'clock, 2647 03:59:52,800 --> 04:00:00,560 that concludes this question. Do we >> do we need to call everybody back in and 2648 03:59:58,239 --> 04:00:03,920 and do something similar with what we did earlier? 2649 04:00:02,160 --> 04:00:07,680 » Well, it >> Yeah, I would like what I think we 2650 04:00:06,319 --> 04:00:12,239 should have done on the last one is just narrow it down to two or something like 2651 04:00:09,600 --> 04:00:15,239 that uh to go forward and wait that decision. 2652 04:00:16,239 --> 04:00:20,000 » Well, yeah. Do we want everybody to come back 2653 04:00:19,120 --> 04:00:23,960 in or >> tell them to all come back in? 2654 04:00:58,399 --> 04:01:01,399 question. 2655 04:01:10,800 --> 04:01:21,680 I'll make a motion to uh table the decision until um 3:24 court 2656 04:01:19,199 --> 04:01:29,680 » made by Commissioner Samson to table the decision regarding RFQ 20263P25 2657 04:01:26,880 --> 04:01:36,160 radio network consulting services till the next commissioner's court on March 2658 04:01:32,000 --> 04:01:40,479 24, 2026. Second by >> Commissioner Andrews. Any further 2659 04:01:38,592 --> 04:01:43,520 [clears throat] discussion? Not. All those in favor say I. 2660 04:01:43,040 --> 04:01:48,319 » I. >> All oppose say nay. It's unanimous. We 2661 04:01:46,560 --> 04:01:52,880 will make a decision at that time. Gentlemen, thank y'all all for coming 2662 04:01:50,080 --> 04:01:56,680 down. Appreciate all your work. Thank you'all. Appreciate it.