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Recording in progress.

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On-line.

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Can I ask a question for you?

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Do you have your community, m y e e, did you come over you?

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I'd be curious.

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Would you like to give an overview?

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Yes, I'll please.

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We'll just question.

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You received a bunch of material that you sent to us about the week we get a half a go.

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With that, I'll also provide it to the public. Is that put on the website?

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It was not put on the website, so it will be a part of his presentation which we can provide.

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Oh, but the whole, like the memo from Jake, which takes description of the G.S. and all that.

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So that's all going to be included in this.

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We can, we can get that piece.

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I just want to make sure that everyone has all the information.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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So, as the board will recall in October of 2023, you sent a letter to August of 2023,

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you sent a letter to the Hoover City Council requesting to discuss the potential of annexation

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and a joint meeting.

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And so last summer we had a joint meeting where we went through the opportunity for annexation.

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out of that was the understanding that perhaps they were

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phased opportunities and we knew that we had these

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consent to annexation agreements that existed and so the city

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and county participated to bring Portland State University

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on Dr. Lazybee, who with his student carried out

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analysis with the assistance of our GIS department. And so he is here to present the findings,

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which were presented to the Hood River City Council last week. Thank you.

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So Mr. Lizard, thank you for joining us.

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Well, it's a pleasure to join you, our book commissioners. For my background, I have been on the

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And I joined faculty at Portland State University for 18 years, teaching in the Headfield School of Government.

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But during that time, and earlier than that, I was in County and City Management.

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I started with Allegheny County in Pennsylvania, but then worked for the cities of Vancouver, Washington,

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and Glendell Arizona with City Manager of the City of Sandy for 21 years and City Manager for

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Lake Oswego for six years and retired in 2019.

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So I've had an academic issue, interest in these kinds of issues, but also a fair amount

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of professional experience as well.

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Our project though, most of it, the hard work was done by a graduate student at Ph.D.

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student, in fact, as far as data.

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She began to work with the city's records on the annexation agreements.

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And our main task for this study was not a huge annexation strategy or anything like that.

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Our main task was to look at those agreements and to figure out what is the status of them,

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how many are there, who what extent are properties included with the agreements and the

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urban growth boundary and not just to find out where things to, you know, the city has

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more recently required, I think, required annexation as a condition of extending city services,

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particular service but prior to that time the annexation agreements were entered into with

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property owners that did want to have city services. That creates an interesting situation though

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because if now property wants to develop frankly, they tend to be farther away from the city limits

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for practical reasons and then so how how how do how to be annexed or with a reasonable

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boundary and and at least an attempt to be up continues to the city how does that work

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and these annexation governments could be a part of that. So starting with the city had collected

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records on property tax lot numbers and whether they had an agreement.

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To some extent, they also required information as to whether there was something called

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a time period waiver.

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And I won't get into that.

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Your county council would give you more information about the legal issues surrounding these

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time period waivers with annexations agreed.

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And state law. But we attempted to get information on that. We were only partially successful and I'll explain that in a moment.

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But other information we were asked to gather was whether a so-called triple majority could be met in certain areas.

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And, under state law, cities can add expertise, but basically, by council ordinance, if a majority of the owners and the land area and that says value of the properties of those three majorities have provided written consent to annexation, the city can add an area that meets that test.

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And so we also then needed to get information on the numbers of properties, that's easy, but the assessed value and the area of the properties as well.

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So our PhDs do gather data, put it into a Master's spreadsheet over some 350 records with the tax line number.

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And in some cases it requires some protective work because often a property that wanted to get city services was a larger parcel and had a tax lot number

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but then it would be subdivided and we had to track down what the subsequent tax lot numbers were for the subdivided property.

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She put that together in a spreadsheet and then uploaded it into the county GIS system.

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And I have to say our project would not have been possible without the help of your staff.

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And specifically, J.K. Edwards and Sophie Christensen from the Records and GIS standpoint.

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They were invaluable, and what Jake did was basically give us a mirror image of the county GIS system,

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but it was a standalone database, so we couldn't mess anything up in the real data with our manipulation of information.

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He also then provided a way for us to match tax thought numbers with other data in your county records database to extract

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the information we needed on SS value and a lot of sizes.

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So that was very useful and then you also provided a tool that we could use our mouse

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and select a group of properties and for further analysis.

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So again, this was a mapping project so the interesting part is the maps and I'll see if I can

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bring those up for you now on my screen.

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Let's start the slideshow here.

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Can you see my slideshow?

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I hope so.

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The first one I'll show is just the map of the City of Wood River's urban growth boundary.

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And in this map there's gray areas that do not have annexation agreements.

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But anything with a color, purple, brown, or green, they all have annexation agreements.

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So right off the bat, as soon as we got this map, this is what we were very interested

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to see what pattern was.

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And again, these components were collected for several decades, from the early 80s on.

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And so to see him in one place was very helpful, we did, by the way, track the data to the agreements as well.

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So you can see in the map that there's a fairly good concentration of properties that have these annexation covenants in the south part of the city's urban growth boundary, and also in the west part.

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So we first looked at the pattern in the south area and said, well, you know, just eyeballing it, it seems like there's quite a few, they have the agreements.

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Would that area as a whole pass the triple majority requirement?

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And it turns out it doesn't quite.

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And so we were able to, with Jake's extraction tool,

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we were able to pull out data from the GIS database into a spreadsheet

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and to make the triple majority calculation of owners, area, and value.

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So when we looked at that whole area, again quite meet the 50%

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plus target, but there's still quite a few in there.

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Another thing we were asked could do

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It was look at potential future housing development. And I have to say this is a bit of a net, crude estimate. We used the city's

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co-plan designation for the UGB, which is primarily our one or our two. We used that to sort out what the maximum density typically would be.

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And then for larger lots, lots of larger than a half-acre that would have the development potential,

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we just assume, well, what would it be if they developed a full zoning density?

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So this whole area, as a whole, we estimated how the future potential of about 270 homes.

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Since it didn't meet, well, one thing we needed to do though,

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And we did need to isolate areas just for calculation purposes by zone.

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And so there's an area just out of the city limits shown here in the kind of bright

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yellow.

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It's the city's artu zone, which is a bit higher density, smaller lot sizes than the R1 zone.

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So we extracted that area right there, shown in blue, and took a look at that.

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And that, as well, did not quite meet the triple majority of Parliament.

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Didn't have a lot of future housing potential because a lot of the lots were already subdivided

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and had holes on them.

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But at least it allowed us to calculate the potential within that zone.

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But we noticed off to the south west in this area here, there was a fairly high concentration of properties with it.

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And when I go to that map, I'll explain something. The areas covered green are those that we could find agreements or records that indicated that they had this time period waiver.

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So that the green is though, we know it does have the waiver, but the brown, as areas, that we found the agreements that didn't have a waiver, the dark blue are ones that we couldn't track down the agreements, a lot of these agreements were done in paper filing era and frankly we just didn't have enough time to go property by property.

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Sometimes we would have to translate from a meet and bounce description to find out where the tax

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lot number was. So these are unknown. I will say though that in our analysis, usually when

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it was unknown and we could find the agreement, it typically turned out that the CD had included

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a clause that had a time period waiver. But anyway, the ones that are colored do have agreements

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of some kind on them. In this case, there were quite a few pretty high density of properties

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that did have the agreement and that that area by itself easily met a triple majority requirement.

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So then we said, well, what if you combine the two areas and that's still met a triple majority

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requirement, it would be continuous to the city limits as well.

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So then we thought, well, what else is out there?

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There was an area to the south of the area we've just been looking at.

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They were able to see here that had not only a fairly high concentration of properties with these agreements,

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but also some larger lots that had a fair amount of future development potential.

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And this is the area here and again, there's some pretty large lots and a high number of

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of potential of future housing within that.

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And this area too met a triple majority requirement.

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So then we looked at the combined three areas.

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And it's pretty large area.

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It is a contiguous to the current city limits.

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It does meet a triple majority requirement.

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And it does have potential for 164 homes.

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And before a go any further,

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There's more work to be done and your staff and the staff for the city are very well

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versed in the policy issues and I think the two governing bodies are as well.

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When we talk about triple majority, this is just for facts.

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Just in background data, how the city specifically uses it, but in discussions with you,

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What happens with that?

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A data, it completely up to you, the County Administrator and City Manager emphasized the policy decisions here are up to the elected officials.

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But as I said earlier, I was, when I worked for City of Vancouver, back in the 1980s, we had the same situation with a lot of annexation governments.

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And they included Vancouver Mall itself and a lot of the properties in the northeast and east sides of Vancouver.

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And they did do a wholesale annexation of a large area based on those.

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But I know other cities have been more development driven.

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If there's been a property, let's say, a larger property in the south end.

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You know, they may use these cabinets as way to get a fairly logical boundary wind and

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if a development might occur.

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So that's all I'll say about that now.

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We could talk more about that after the maps are done.

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So there was one other area off to the east that we looked at.

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There was kind of a scattering of properties with these annexation agreements.

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And so we looked at those, it had a sort of logical boundary with some streets and such, and that area, as well, met a triple majority threshold, although not by much.

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But that's, so that was the analysis we did on the south side, and it did show that if you looked at all these areas,

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And they would together meet a triple majority requirement.

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Since we already had a accessibility data, we also added up the total assessed value in

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that area, and came out using the city's general-elevi tax rate, it computed to a annual tax

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revenue, if that whole area annexed at $440,000.

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The other policy issue for you, for you, elected folks, is, well, that some of these areas

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presumably may need some half-street improvements, they may need sidewalks and curves,

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and that kind of thing.

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That's typically something we see and so one of the cities concerns is, well, how do we

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bring those areas up to city standards?

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In my experience, one technique that I've seen used is a combination of local improvement

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districts, and then some city support to encourage those to happen.

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But another thing that the city could do is some sort of using the idea of tax

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income financing, but they could say, well, if this area annexes and brings in a certain

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amount of revenue, we would set aside a certain amount for infrastructure improvements.

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So that was the reason we made that calculation, but that was the extent of our financial analysis

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in this project. After we look at the area to the south, then we took a look at this area

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on the west side of the urban growth boundary. This area called area E, it's immediately

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contiguous to the city, and it had a lot of properties with the agreements, and so we asked ourselves,

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Well, could it be the annex without even using a triple majority just it would be a hundred percent

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And we analyze that it makes it's kind of a oops

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Nickelback it would make

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We had created an island so we probably wouldn't want to do that, but otherwise with the properties that had agreements

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It would be possible just to do an outright annexation, and a limited number of development

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potential, though, is just just a couple larger lots, but I thought that was interesting.

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And it is a more practical thing.

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We looked at, well, what about this larger area here, does that meet a triple majority?

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majority. And there are some fairly large lots here that would have had more housing potential.

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And in this case, that area combined does meet a triple majority requirement,

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and a potential of some 49 additional homes as well. This area here is an open space.

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It's a stone gate open space, so we assume that would remain an open space, but some of these other areas were

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developmental and potential.

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So let me, I think this is the, yeah, awesome.

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Stop sharing, and if I did

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sharing stop, I haven't got my big window back just a

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minute.

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Hmm, here we go.

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So I'd be glad to answer questions tonight.

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What I emphasize, that this would just more

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of a mapping exercise to say, what does it look like?

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You know, there'd be more work to be done.

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One of the things that the city would need to do

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if they looked at any specific strategies

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or work with a potential developer

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on a potentially biological annexation,

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they would have to pin down the time period

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waiver issue and work with, you know, the city attorney to sort out, you know, what to do with that.

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And so that would do work to be done.

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There are other issues, as you know, the city's got agreements with other service providers in the, in the urban area,

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and they'd have to look at the implications of that.

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And so we didn't look at any of that information, but but I should say, I should say,

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having kind of been in this business, I found that results very interesting.

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It was a fairly

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large concentration of these agreements. And as I said, when I worked for Vancouver,

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it turned out to be helpful and as their city grew. So with that, members of the commission,

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I'd be glad to answer any questions on our modest study.

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Just in study.

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We have questions.

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I thought we might.

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Are you calling on me, OK?

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Dr. Lason, just to start.

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So obviously, a city manager or a year expertise is

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and just about everything.

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But your academic focus is it in urban planning,

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is it in the legal side of this is an economics,

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So what was your current academic focus?

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I'm teaching currently just general leadership classes

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on teaching one on contract management,

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top project management and for many years top budgeting.

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But my dissertation interest was,

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basically the whole field of city management

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and the competencies that city managers need

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so covered a pretty broad area.

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So I don't study land use per se, but, but as you know, having worked in Oregon as the city manager for 27 years, you can't escape that, and so I certainly have personal experience and annexation.

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And in the two cities I was city manager of our different than your situation, in Sandy,

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Clark and Miss County, in the city's urban growth boundary, had a policy of not allowing

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subdivisions of less than an acre.

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And so they really did expect properties if they wanted to get to urban level densities with

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annex to the city and that's what happened.

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And then usually they were fairly close to the city limits and so properties annexed as they developed.

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In Lake Asquiga was a different matter.

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We did have annexation agreements, and there's two very large, basically islands.

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They were on the west side of the city boarded by i5, but they could have been island annexed,

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out of the city council, but for several reasons, Joe's not to do that. But what the city

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lake that's we go did is they would annex properties only when the property of one or

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the annex, which created a crazy quilt of inside outside of the city. There was islands everywhere.

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If you've driven down like country club road in Lake us, we owe some properties on either side of

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or unincorporated, some incorporated, there's bits and pieces of roads that go from city to county.

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It was an interesting thing. It wasn't as difficult as you might have thought, but from us

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city staff, we thought, this is kind of strange. But I think the council thought over the real long

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hall, most of those properties, they were not in the city, they were on septic. And so they

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in the real long haul those folks at some point would probably need.

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We need municipal sewer, one way the other, and end up being in the city. So that's some of my professional background.

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Yeah, that's really helpful. I just have a whole bunch of questions. I'm trying to figure out which ones you're the appropriate person to ask.

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But the story you just told about like a sweet go.

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We have a different pattern of development outside of the city limits, but I was always told that it was rather unusual

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the amount of dense development that we had outside of our urban growth area outside of our corporate limits.

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And is that true?

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Is that, would you say, no, you look carefully at the pattern, is it a,

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moderately admirable pattern?

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Well, it depends, you know, from the, from Sandy in some of those cities,

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perspective it is, because, because the, you know,

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when, when the properties did annex any kind of urban density, they,

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they, I mean, when they developed they would annex.

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But Washington County though, right,

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And some of those areas are very urban and all-in-corporated.

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Okay. Next question is about the triple majority.

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You're the request that was given to you was to identify areas where a triple majority existed,

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so that an annexation could happen with the city's action entirely.

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If tell us about the value that these agreements have in an area where you're short of that triple

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majority, but still wish to do an excitation?

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Well, they still have value because it could be for a variety of reasons some of the intervening

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properties may be willing to consent fanics and would add to that.

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And, you know, one area where that happens is if the property is owned by a government and so school district or something like that.

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So sometimes you could do a combination of kind of voluntary annexation plus the covenants and reach that triple majority.

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Oh, so might you not have people who simply see the financial advantage to being within the city so that they can develop,

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land, which otherwise they would have to put money to be asked. Including in fill, somebody wants

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to do an accessory dwelling, or something like that, and you definitely need cities who are

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for that, so yeah. Could you remind me of the time period waiver issue, my vague recollection

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is there was some magic date like 1994 where there was a Court of Appeals of Supreme Court ruling

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concerning annexation as previous to that date? Is that what the time period waiver refers to?

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you know, I can't answer that. I'm just not that familiar with them. And so I would, I would, I would defer to your

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legal counsel in that. You talked about the cost of bringing pastries up to see standards and that's sort of

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thing. Is that a requirement development extension? No, no. And a lot of areas, there's an expectation from some of the residents.

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So I live in Portland, I move from Lake US, we go to Portland and I'm in a part of Portland

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or these that had been unincorporated in Multnomah County, and my particular street has

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no sidewalks, but the argument is, well, folks close to in, in Irvington, and the rest

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of the Culliat in the neighborhood in Portland, when they developed inside the city, they

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the developer was required to put in the curve and sidewalk and things, and so essentially,

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people have paid it through their mortgage, you know, that somebody's paid for it.

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It wasn't the general taxpayers, and so you can make an argument that, well, you know,

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the city's not obligated to put those up to city standards.

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But again, like I said, one of the things we did in Lake Oswego is we had a program where

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the city would cover engineering costs and all financing costs and things like that and

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offered it to residents if they wanted those kinds of improvements that the city would basically

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subsidize it pretty heavily through it but using a local improvement district process.

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But that's a policy decision, there's no requirement.

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And so that's why you identified the taxes that would be generated from those properties

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because that could be considered a source for the funds to do that, to do whatever

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it would ever incentives you might want to encourage those properties to consent.

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Yeah, that's right.

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There would be an impact on other city services, police and such, but some portion of that presumably.

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Could be available for that.

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I have to say, I took a little bit every time the concept of bringing up the city standards comes out, because I live

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about 150 yards from here, and my street is Chipsil, and I have no sidewalks, and it's a relatively large

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neighborhood. So, I just been in the city limits for over a hundred, you know, probably 120 years now.

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No, it's not a universal thing.

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But maybe you should talk to my city council.

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I could do that.

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Have you, do you have examples of situations where,

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or can you suggest any, could you refer us to an example of cities that have used sort of a mixture of consent to annexation and incentives to achieve the

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Majority necessary for a voluntary annexation.

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Who has done the work?

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You know, that's a great question.

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And your counterparts at the University Council asked me at the same one.

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I really don't know.

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In my own experience, we did use that to eliminate the extended lake as we go.

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But I'm not familiar with any current cities in Oregon.

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I know they must be there.

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but that they're using that combination.

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Again, my experience was with Vancouver,

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but that was many years ago.

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So no, somebody could do that research

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and poll cities to see.

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In fact, the Lee Warden cities may have some data on that.

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OK, great.

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That's actually a good resource there.

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And then there was a mention of West Side Fire,

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who he's helped you talk about the agreements

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without site agencies. So presumably you're talking about what site fire and ice fountain water

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just kept. Did you separate out what the costs would be of annexation under that contractual

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commitment? Is that something that was calculated or could be calculated easily?

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So we didn't do that. But what what we did do is when we did those extraction areas that we

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You know, labeled A, B, and C, et cetera, those went into analytical spreadsheets and we provided those spreadsheets to hear staff and to the city staff as well.

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So they've got that and it could be possible to use that same extraction tool to figure out which areas are covered by those agreements and which aren't.

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Okay, yeah, I was more interested in the cost of that, but it sounds like that same information

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is derrivable from city and county records, but it would require some fancy keyboard work.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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No, that's really helpful.

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I think that that's into my questions for now, so I'll also step back and let other people ask questions

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and maybe have some more later.

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Do we have more questions?

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I just had a quick question.

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regards to the areas identified.

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I guess I know the answer, but those can be discretionary

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nature and where those, so it would be the city's discretion to find an area that would

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make triple majority, but I would presume that there would be some certain amount of density

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before identifying those, is that correct?

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You're exactly right, they're completely discretionary.

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And we only chose them to see how the numbers worked out,

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to see if there were some areas that would have enough

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to be in triple majority.

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But they were not necessarily logical boundaries

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for an annexation.

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In some cases, the one to the south was not even continues.

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We just were looking at where are the concentrations

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of these agreements, and I think like most academic studies, this is a pretty simple project,

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the leads to other questions, and one would be to come up with maybe a more of a strategic

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plan on whether, if the strategy is more development driven, what are some potential directions

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to go. If it's more a goal to have the urbanized areas in the city limits in general, that's

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a different kind of strategy. And there's some interesting questions there, so.

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Great. Thank you.

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Sir, did you do the math on the entire urban growth area? What percentage did you reach on each

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of those three annexation issues?

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for the entire area of the entire area.

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How far away are we? That's a good question. No, we didn't. I don't think, I don't think that one's actually pretty easy to do, but no, we didn't think.

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Ask that question.

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It would be, it would take some time to go back to the map, but there's a pretty large area on the west side, but the north of the area, we look at that.

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Apparently, they have no agreements at all, and so that's a very big factor.

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The CES value may not be that high there yet, because a lot of it's pretty large lots,

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but it's so you'd have to be a little more, you'd have to make it a smaller area

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to reach a triple majority.

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Yeah, and I'm just sort of wondering if you're looking for a policy point of view and

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trying to generate a package that would avoid the—there would achieve the level of acceptance

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necessary to do the annexation.

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You know, we didn't have a trouble majority, but you were looking to figure out how much

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and what sort of incentives you needed to put in place and how much you were willing to spend

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on that.

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That's what that number might tell you if you're at.

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You know, 8% and that's going to cost you a lot to figure out enough incentives to discourage those folks from protesting the annexation, but if you are at, you know, in the 2030% you can start to imagine the sorts of benefits that they might see, especially some of those large lots, which you described, which have very low assess value now, would clearly have much higher value if they were developable.

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And knowing that or understanding that would help from a policy point of view to figure out

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if this is financially wise, move on the city's part.

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No, it's a good point.

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And so I think in the database that we've left with your staff, we have, excuse me, all the properties

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that do have agreements.

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It's all in the database.

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And so it would be a pretty simple matter to look at the whole UGB and figure out what those percentages are.

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Are there any more questions?

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I'm just, what are we doing today about that?

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We're going to discuss more.

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I understand the city council had some reactions to this.

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We're going to talk about that or do we have plans to meet again?

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We don't need some plans for a joint meeting with the city council.

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So I think we wanted to present the information and then to understand if the board would like to request another meeting to discuss

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or if there was any action you'd like staff to take to the result.

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I guess I'm wondering if we as a group today have the ability to have further discussion on this.

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Now what we've seen, Dr. Leson, these more can the students work?

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Are we going to discuss this, or are we going to discuss this, or are we going to discuss this, or are we going to discuss this,

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It's not our action items, but if we want to spend some time talking about it now, well it's fresh in our minds, I think that's a good idea.

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Why don't we set ourselves about 10 minutes because how long will the bridge, will that take half an hour? 15 minutes or something like that?

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Okay, all right, well we could discuss this, yes, we have time.

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Great, so I heard some things described about the city council's reaction and the phrase that was used was lack of will.

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And I don't have information directly, so I don't have a customer rare as here, or our

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counsel president to prove rare is here.

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And I don't know if it is a appropriate way for us to get an update on what happened

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at the C Council meeting.

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Well, and I will look to Eric and I both attended the City Council meeting last week, and I think

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Dr. Lason Beak could also weigh in.

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We present it to the council, and there were a couple of questions, actually a

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Councillor Rivera asked many of the questions, which was great.

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I think the sense that we got from the city is that there are existing policies in place,

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and so from a staff standpoint, I don't believe there is a direction at this time to change

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What they're doing in regard to annexation, I think, in regards to a lack of will, this annexation process would take, you know, direction from our policy makers if you want to do more with it.

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For example, if there was a scenario coming out of this in which you saw the potential for annexation

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by agreement, or to encourage the city to take action because the triple majority exists.

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So I think I would put that out there.

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I don't know, I don't know that I have much more to add.

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I guess if I could phrase the question a little bit differently, the city council

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sat and watched this and I unfortunately did not have time to

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I was on the occasion, so I did not watch that meeting, sorry about that.

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But at the end of it was the disposition.

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Yeah, that's nice, but we're done or or did they say we'll talk about the

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or is there any plan as to how the city council is going to or how or when the city council is going to give direction to staff

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concerning the next step after having gotten this interesting information?

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From staff perspective, I did not see further direction. However, there may have been conversation later in the meeting

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and I don't know if it's appropriate to ask Councillor Rivera in regard to that.

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I don't know if we're on the spot of the major event.

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I'm happy to get that then.

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That is, we made our council press it in.

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So I don't think it was a lack of will.

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It was now we have this information presented to us.

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It sounds like both the city and the county staff need to get together to come up with

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like for certain areas that weren't permitted,

430
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:54,690
why they weren't permitted, is that something that we can find more information up?

431
00:46:55,450 --> 00:47:00,930
And in addition to that, we were so open to continuing to have these conversations

432
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:04,730
cost is something that we're going to have to figure out what is that,

433
00:47:04,810 --> 00:47:07,490
look like, as far as those agreements for those service areas.

434
00:47:07,870 --> 00:47:12,330
So I don't think it was lack of what it was that there's still more information that we need

435
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:15,490
in order to make a mutual decision with you all.

436
00:47:15,490 --> 00:47:16,430
Okay, great.

437
00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:23,590
And so, I mean, I looked at this, I was actually surprised that the number of, I know

438
00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:28,350
that the number of units is kind of a fake metric there, but just, even as a proxy for

439
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:33,010
something else, I was surprised at how large the number was you could achieve with an actual

440
00:47:33,010 --> 00:47:33,630
triple majority.

441
00:47:33,970 --> 00:47:39,190
I expected that number to be very small, but that you'd be close enough that you could

442
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:44,990
entice people into accepting the annexation, but it looks like there's a real possibility

443
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:54,270
here of getting some potential housing out of this, that I guess I'm confused because I thought

444
00:47:54,270 --> 00:48:00,170
the, you know, I was on vacation, so maybe the tubes in information are a little narrow,

445
00:48:00,330 --> 00:48:10,590
but I thought that the answer from this was that there wasn't very much to get out of the regions that had triple

446
00:48:10,590 --> 00:48:17,090
majorities and it looks like to me like there are and that role or no but the way to get those

447
00:48:17,090 --> 00:48:24,910
majorities also depends it's kind of like voting districts it depends on how you cut it right so

448
00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:32,590
if so look like we had some that weren't up to 50 percent but if we sliced it differently we

449
00:48:32,590 --> 00:48:37,670
could get there so that's one of the questions is which areas are the most important and how do you

450
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:42,150
I want to slice it up so that they can all be above 50%.

451
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:44,790
So that would be one of the decisions.

452
00:48:44,970 --> 00:48:48,070
And my question also would be, what role,

453
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:51,150
can you find exactly the role that the county has in this,

454
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:53,350
is it a city driven process?

455
00:48:55,330 --> 00:48:57,610
Amixation is the city driven process.

456
00:48:58,370 --> 00:49:01,710
However, there is a method by which we could do annexation

457
00:49:01,710 --> 00:49:02,650
by agreement.

458
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:06,430
And so we would want to explore that.

459
00:49:06,430 --> 00:49:13,690
I would want to offer the caveat in my conversations with City Manager having a elder.

460
00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:21,550
She would identify that their staff has a work plan and so understanding this information

461
00:49:21,550 --> 00:49:26,090
is wonderful, but there's also a work effort that goes along with it and so I think

462
00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:31,530
she would go back to her City Council and say if you're identifying this as a priority

463
00:49:31,530 --> 00:49:35,190
are a work project, we need to work it into our program.

464
00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:37,610
We're going to talk about this year's work plan though, right?

465
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:43,010
I thought that this was all preamble to discussion about next year, or three years,

466
00:49:43,070 --> 00:49:44,610
or five years from now, right?

467
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:46,990
I don't think anyone, maybe I misunderstood.

468
00:49:47,310 --> 00:49:47,470
It's nothing.

469
00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:50,510
I don't think anyone expected that this day was going to be done,

470
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:52,650
and annexation notes would go flying.

471
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:58,150
annexation is definitely a tool within the toolkit for our housing.

472
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:59,010
All right.

473
00:49:59,010 --> 00:49:59,970
We're any...

474
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:13,240
The studies, it looked like they were all west of 12th Street. Is that correct? There was nothing east of 12th Street. There was a piece back in the area of Poffa, million. Okay, that was, there was that one piece.

475
00:50:13,340 --> 00:50:14,320
It's really small.

476
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,920
It's a handful of toxins there.

477
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:17,220
Okay.

478
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:25,880
And did it have a specific percent on its own or was it part of a larger group?

479
00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:28,300
I'm just sort of curious about it.

480
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:31,240
I don't think it was in any of the groups that...

481
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:31,860
Oh, okay.

482
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:33,120
Right. That's what I meant.

483
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:35,020
It wasn't any of the groups that were in the group.

484
00:50:35,020 --> 00:50:38,080
We've heard about that because that's where the failing septic is.

485
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:38,740
Correct.

486
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:41,320
The request came to us to help.

487
00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:41,860
Correct.

488
00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:44,360
And I was wondering if that was part of any of this.

489
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,180
Because I didn't think I saw it in the numbers.

490
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,280
So it's there.

491
00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:49,880
But it wasn't in part of...

492
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,200
It wasn't in any of the areas that...

493
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:59,380
If that's a good area that might fit, I think we talked about it like this week or

494
00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:02,880
area where eventually your sector systems will fail, so they'll have to.

495
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Correct.

496
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:08,920
I just wanted to be accurate that that wasn't actually part of what we just saw, because none

497
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,660
of the numbers that applied to that, as I understand it.

498
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:18,100
And Dr. Lazyby, you did the groupings around the specific areas, but not the area off

499
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:23,280
to it would have been the right of the screen, which was a small strip on Elliott, was

500
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:45,880
I think that's something that the city staff certainly were very interested in, if they had some issue, they could use this extraction tool and answer those kinds of questions fairly easily.

501
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:52,200
So it sounds like your graduate student could probably get a job with many of those state legislatures right now.

502
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,220
They're trying to Germans.

503
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,460
They're special districts.

504
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,120
I think they have different criteria there.

505
00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:00,120
But it's the same.

506
00:52:00,660 --> 00:52:01,340
It's the same.

507
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:02,180
It's the same.

508
00:52:02,180 --> 00:52:02,400
But it's the same.

509
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:02,580
It's the same.

510
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:02,900
It's the same.

511
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,000
It's the same.

512
00:52:04,140 --> 00:52:05,220
I'm not sure they have it.

513
00:52:05,220 --> 00:52:06,220
The same GIS to us.

514
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:10,300
I'm not sure that you can extract it there from there from there.

515
00:52:10,420 --> 00:52:12,160
From there title reports.

516
00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:14,800
What the voting would be.

517
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,280
You'd be surprised.

518
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:18,460
All right.

519
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,040
Well, thank you very much.

520
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,020
Do we have more questions?

521
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,340
I'm excited to see that we have these tools in place now.

522
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:35,680
It sounds like we don't need to ask Dr. Leisenby or his student to do the work at this point,

523
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:41,840
because we now have the tools to work with which we can do further work.

524
00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:49,140
Now that we start to understand this, the work to extract,

525
00:52:49,140 --> 00:52:55,460
to track, they worked to find the records about the, I guess,

526
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,240
a risk-lical waivers and remonstrates and, you know,

527
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,940
waivers, consent to organizations that they're met.

528
00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:10,000
And so I know that that's very time-consuming work to do at a level that you take to the bank,

529
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,500
or, you know, this, where you actually can issue an annexation order.

530
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:31,160
Was there any discussion that is a look in our discussion about how much, how close, how good was the job that was done on identifying these documents?

531
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:40,760
Is it, like, is it sort of the 10% back at the envelope or are we 90% of the way there or is any way in for you to know?

532
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:53,510
One of the things I would notice that, you know, further analysis would need to be needed to do that kind of more legalistic look.

533
00:53:54,210 --> 00:53:59,830
I think the city's records were pretty good as to the presence of the agreements, but they may have missed up.

534
00:54:00,010 --> 00:54:07,270
They kept track-witted in a separate database, tracking down the written agreements.

535
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:12,850
and again, some of these data back many years would take some effort and our recommendation

536
00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:17,890
was not to spend a lot of time doing that unless you have some specific areas you want

537
00:54:17,890 --> 00:54:22,110
to look at because it is pretty time consuming to try to pin those down.

538
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:29,610
So I think to answer your question, this is more of a first impression, but does need further

539
00:54:29,610 --> 00:54:30,370
verification.

540
00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:40,190
Well, it also seems as though if that's the case, and you've got basically an over the whole area, and we are at about 50%.

541
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:43,170
If we look harder, we find more rather than less, right?

542
00:54:43,170 --> 00:54:46,370
So these are the ones that really do exist, and there could be more.

543
00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:57,210
But it is pretty sure that I guess we have to understand the time period before we say this for sure.

544
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:59,970
But the number of...

545
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,840
People, the number of waivers could go up, but probably not down.

546
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:14,460
I can give you an example of that. So when that was mayor, we were going through the process of annexing the property that the Columbia

547
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:29,600
Court shall sit on and they were fighting it and they said that their waiver was pre-1994 or whatever the year was. So we couldn't force them and staff went through and dug up all the records.

548
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,800
and found four more consents that have been signed by all of them that property since that day.

549
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:39,560
So that was just one problem.

550
00:55:39,660 --> 00:55:40,780
So that answers my question.

551
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:41,920
Thank you.

552
00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:48,840
Yes, I think that we will discuss this again.

553
00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:56,880
And one of the recommendations that Dr. Lazybe made is just to remind us that they have graduate fellows.

554
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:10,200
They have, and that would be a potential project, so that's an application process, where we could bring somebody on board for that specific purpose, and it's a graduate project.

555
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:13,120
So that could be an interesting next step as well.

556
00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:26,660
All right, and I would like to point out that we're getting even, we really appreciate what our own planning department and GIS department have been able to do to make this happen.

557
00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:35,520
I mean, if this couldn't have happened without, it's just one more instance of how well

558
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:41,140
our planning department on our GST as department function and how hopeful and how confident

559
00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:41,840
it would be is.

560
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:42,420
Thank you.

561
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:44,760
Please thank your students for us.

562
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,620
All right.

563
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:51,880
Thank you.

564
00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:55,460
Thank you very much

565
00:56:57,670 --> 00:57:03,870
and our next presentation is the county bridge capital improvement plan

566
00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:07,010
and detour options, we're already out there

567
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:09,950
and detour options, so we must be optimistic about this.

568
00:57:11,810 --> 00:57:13,870
Oh, I thought that was detour if the bridge fails

569
00:57:13,870 --> 00:57:15,090
and nothing's done about it.

570
00:57:17,250 --> 00:57:20,990
So now, I think yes, at that point at this time.

571
00:57:21,450 --> 00:57:23,230
So maybe I can start with that.

572
00:57:24,130 --> 00:57:26,930
However, so we had,

573
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:28,330
Tony, you can, okay.

574
00:57:28,810 --> 00:57:30,410
Okay, thank you.

575
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:42,390
So, the county got a consultant to do an evaluation of all of our bridges, O. does inspection of our larger bridges every two years.

576
00:57:43,330 --> 00:57:49,470
We don't have inspections of the smaller ones, and so we have them do the inspection of the smaller ones,

577
00:57:49,570 --> 00:57:57,270
and then we have them aggregate all of the information and present it to us on how we should proceed going forward.

578
00:57:57,270 --> 00:58:05,490
And it's basically a way for us to determine, yeah, for sure,

579
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:13,030
you're all

580
00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:17,810
ready.

581
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:25,850
Okay, I'll just keep going.

582
00:58:26,810 --> 00:58:29,990
So just a background, what inventory we have.

583
00:58:30,110 --> 00:58:34,310
We have 18 bridges that are classified as the larger bridges.

584
00:58:34,310 --> 00:58:39,850
are called National Branch of Inventory and you can get federal funding for those, those are the

585
00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:41,510
ones that owed out inspects for us.

586
00:58:42,010 --> 00:58:48,290
We have nine bridges, not listed on this list, and here it is.

587
00:58:49,570 --> 00:58:57,330
These are the ones that DEA had inspected for us, and then this has always been the case.

588
00:58:57,550 --> 00:59:00,590
It's just an information I wanted to include.

589
00:59:00,590 --> 00:59:05,050
we have two bridges throughout the county that are low restricted. One is on

590
00:59:05,050 --> 00:59:13,230
Wyeth and then the other one is on March. There are D2A routes for those. And so currently

591
00:59:13,230 --> 00:59:19,350
it's not really an impact to our county. Right.

592
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,380
So some of the main instrument

593
00:59:27,140 --> 00:59:30,460
So seven maintenance recommendations were considered urgent.

594
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,380
So ODOT says, we should do something about this within six months.

595
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,480
And let me back in four years to make sure that we do.

596
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,040
And traditionally, we have no.

597
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,180
I'm just going to say that at this point.

598
00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:59,560
17 maintenance recommendations state that they're high, which means need to be fixed within 12 months, and then 1664

599
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,580
Retain, or medium, those need to be done before the ODOT comes back in its face.

600
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:17,340
And then six are recommended for monitoring, so if there's a river that goes underneath it and it's a high flow event,

601
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:25,180
we should go check the bridge to make sure it's standing or it's not concerning, we shouldn't have vehicles on it.

602
01:00:29,140 --> 01:00:33,100
So budget impacts, what's this mean as far as budget?

603
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:42,160
So currently we're transferring $250,000 a year from our road fund, we're transferring it to a capital project fund.

604
01:00:42,620 --> 01:00:52,180
So it's really used to create that match if we weren't able to apply for federal funding or to replace British in their own.

605
01:00:52,180 --> 01:00:55,260
It comes from the road fund that can only be used for roads.

606
01:00:55,940 --> 01:01:01,100
It isn't for, it's not our general fund that can be used to replace something else.

607
01:01:01,260 --> 01:01:02,820
And that's gas tax money, right?

608
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:05,480
Gas tax and vehicle registration, correct.

609
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:14,500
So this program is assuming that we're going to spend 200,000 of this every year plus or minus.

610
01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:19,880
And then this work can be done by both county maintenance team.

611
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:26,640
then additionally from contractors. For the ones that have been identified as county maintenance,

612
01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:33,220
we're starting to work on those, and we should have those done within that 12 months time.

613
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:43,700
And then hopefully we'll be able to keep budgeting for a placement or larger scale projects

614
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:47,880
even with spending that 200,000 every year.

615
01:01:50,770 --> 01:01:55,010
So, next one, this is the one that why we have detour routes.

616
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:58,910
We have four that are not recommended for maintenance.

617
01:01:59,350 --> 01:02:04,130
And the reason that they're not recommended for maintenance is either we can't get them.

618
01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:07,910
One recommendation is handwritten, the railings.

619
01:02:08,330 --> 01:02:10,330
We can't get that to a standard.

620
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:21,650
So, it doesn't make sense to put in the money and the effort to get a substandard thing that we're just going to get called on the next kind of that they expect it.

621
01:02:22,750 --> 01:02:33,990
Other ones are at a point where they're just deteriorating, we let them go too far at this point.

622
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:40,350
The four bridges are firm out and road at the East Park irrigation ditch.

623
01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:45,730
This is the one that's going to be replaced with the East Park irrigation district project.

624
01:02:46,190 --> 01:02:50,330
A firm out and road over Neal Creek, that's right at Highway 35.

625
01:02:52,590 --> 01:02:57,990
Later in this, your agenda has a consent to apply for the RTA grant.

626
01:02:58,230 --> 01:03:00,770
That's the one that we just received in the Supplemental Project.

627
01:03:00,770 --> 01:03:08,390
So we are working, we're hopeful that we're working towards replacement of these.

628
01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:16,550
And then Thompson and Neil Creek, near Highway 35, and then Wyah, which was the previously

629
01:03:16,550 --> 01:03:19,630
low restricted one, it's also slated.

630
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:21,910
And then I, I don't know.

631
01:03:22,030 --> 01:03:24,170
Is it still low restricted you said previously?

632
01:03:24,810 --> 01:03:26,210
Previously and still.

633
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:26,630
Okay.

634
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:27,090
Yes.

635
01:03:27,090 --> 01:03:27,950
It's already been ideal.

636
01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:37,210
So nothing is newly loaded restricted and then I just identified the two that were

637
01:03:37,210 --> 01:03:44,710
weight restricted again and then why it is both on the non-maintained and on the load

638
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:52,210
restricted posh is one that we are hoping to get unload restricted.

639
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,160
That's one.

640
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,180
So it would teach her a reps on each of these.

641
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,340
They're considered not maintained.

642
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:05,880
And I did that because we don't maintain them.

643
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,120
And they fail.

644
01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:09,600
We're going to have to teach her a lesson.

645
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:11,500
So can I ask a question?

646
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:12,280
Can I go ahead?

647
01:04:12,380 --> 01:04:13,360
So I apologize.

648
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:14,020
Yeah.

649
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,240
I made a bad joke for them.

650
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:17,240
You know for that.

651
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:18,480
So.

652
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,780
So a bridge that has a recommendation for for some children to repair.

653
01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:32,200
And there's a timeline where it's expected having forbid we didn't have to resources and we're the time to get that done what what we'll do next next step

654
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,060
So up on the rest

655
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,760
Closure and detours what what would that look like?

656
01:04:38,420 --> 01:04:43,620
We haven't gotten to that point. I don't know that there's been anything as far as penalties

657
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,320
The social media play for not preparing

658
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,550
the penalty is the rich fails

659
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:58,390
If somebody is, or isn't on it, and then it's catastrophic, and the challenge is of that.

660
01:04:58,510 --> 01:04:59,970
Yeah, and then I'm sure about that.

661
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:20,270
And then if you don't maintain bridges, it's hard to get funding for those. Like if it does fail and you didn't put any money into it, no one's going to come out of you. Because you didn't put in the money and effort before. And so it's going to cost more to start.

662
01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:25,890
So a couple of years ago, the county made a decision to revert a bunch of roads from

663
01:05:25,890 --> 01:05:30,970
paved roads to gravel roads because they didn't have the funds to keep them patched and

664
01:05:30,970 --> 01:05:36,350
determine that we'd be cheaper to this conversion than it would be to try to maintain

665
01:05:36,350 --> 01:05:39,430
them and fail at maintaining them.

666
01:05:39,810 --> 01:05:47,390
Isn't there have you looked at what the value to the community is of each of these

667
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:51,490
and whether there's the option of simply saying we can't afford that origin anymore.

668
01:05:52,670 --> 01:05:56,390
So three of the four bridges are east of Highway 35.

669
01:05:59,810 --> 01:06:03,310
One of them is slow restricted and then three of the other ones.

670
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:10,490
And you'll see that a little bit more in another map where all of the detours go onto one of these other bridges.

671
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:22,390
And so what was identified was the first one would be for Mountain Road, the irrigation ditch and I put them in order on these maps.

672
01:06:23,090 --> 01:06:31,590
The second one was for Mountain Road at Highway 35. We have not been successful in receiving local bridge funding because there's so many detours.

673
01:06:32,270 --> 01:06:37,790
But now that we identify, you know, that all of these are in the same condition, all of the

674
01:06:37,790 --> 01:06:42,270
detourer routes are constrained as well.

675
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:52,670
Why if there's detours in it, you know, it accesses federal lands, but it doesn't access homes.

676
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:55,590
So that is something that we could consider.

677
01:06:55,590 --> 01:07:02,470
However, we'll likely be applying for, we're going to be asking to apply for a federal

678
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:11,470
land's access program funding if that becomes available for that bridge, because that's

679
01:07:11,470 --> 01:07:15,130
funding would be a good, good for that source.

680
01:07:15,610 --> 01:07:19,710
I think that's a good example of the situation where you've done the analysis that in

681
01:07:19,710 --> 01:07:28,430
of our residents that bridge isn't servicing homes or farms, but it is servicing federal lands.

682
01:07:28,970 --> 01:07:35,710
So if we can't get federal funding for that, that might be something that's on the cutting line.

683
01:07:37,070 --> 01:07:37,830
So, thanks.

684
01:07:38,290 --> 01:07:41,210
I kind of went on a little bit of bridges today a little bit.

685
01:07:41,490 --> 01:07:42,130
I'd call it Sandy.

686
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:53,470
There may be some of these bridges, maybe that potentially are affecting fish out of that.

687
01:07:53,890 --> 01:07:57,690
Is there a resource there, maybe that we can work with around?

688
01:07:58,050 --> 01:07:58,830
There is.

689
01:07:59,170 --> 01:08:02,190
There's other things that we would like to work with around.

690
01:08:03,110 --> 01:08:09,530
But definitely giving her this information or giving them this information and determining if these are things that

691
01:08:09,530 --> 01:08:12,970
Can we prioritize, we've already had that conversation,

692
01:08:13,710 --> 01:08:18,750
can we prioritize bridges that suit both of us?

693
01:08:20,650 --> 01:08:24,050
I don't know if the ones that we have as failing

694
01:08:24,690 --> 01:08:27,970
or needing to be prepared, or things that are the same.

695
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:31,370
Is that what it's called?

696
01:08:31,710 --> 01:08:32,090
It's a rope.

697
01:08:32,790 --> 01:08:32,990
Yeah.

698
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:34,350
Maybe you don't have to.

699
01:08:34,350 --> 01:08:37,610
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

700
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:49,350
Yeah, so that is something that, I mean, any time that we're doing work over a water plane is something that we would definitely be bringing them in on.

701
01:08:49,630 --> 01:08:50,010
Sure, obviously.

702
01:08:50,510 --> 01:08:51,570
And, let me wise.

703
01:08:52,230 --> 01:08:52,330
Absolutely.

704
01:08:52,750 --> 01:08:56,410
And different sources of funding always help.

705
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:59,790
Great.

706
01:09:01,150 --> 01:09:04,910
So this one's the worst.

707
01:09:04,910 --> 01:09:10,890
I would say if the county was not getting this replace with the East for irrigation district

708
01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:15,190
project that we would want to prioritize getting this one fixed.

709
01:09:15,810 --> 01:09:17,390
So, good news.

710
01:09:19,450 --> 01:09:20,690
Okay, that's fine.

711
01:09:20,690 --> 01:09:22,510
Good news is that we have a funding source.

712
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:25,140
We have somebody else that's going to do it for us.

713
01:09:26,110 --> 01:09:26,130
Yeah.

714
01:09:26,130 --> 01:09:27,070
Which is the East for?

715
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:27,710
Yeah.

716
01:09:29,670 --> 01:09:33,790
This is the Firm Mountain Road here highway 35 over Neil Creek.

717
01:09:33,790 --> 01:09:37,450
You notice the detour around is Thompson.

718
01:09:40,310 --> 01:09:43,830
There is another one on glass, that doesn't have one of those approaches,

719
01:09:47,820 --> 01:09:51,440
but when you see that Thompson's around, it's also going to use for that.

720
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:11,680
And this is the Thompson one showing essentially the same D2A route as the firm out in the one next.

721
01:10:13,580 --> 01:10:17,980
So this is why if there is, it's currently low restricted.

722
01:10:22,330 --> 01:10:27,550
It really is accessing federal lands. I think there is one home on there.

723
01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:40,930
So, yeah, this is one that I think we've rated the last of the four to get replaced because of those reasons.

724
01:10:41,690 --> 01:10:49,510
However, the federal land's access program is a great funding source for this bridge, which is why we're going to prioritize that.

725
01:10:49,710 --> 01:10:52,310
Because it can't be used for the other three bridges.

726
01:10:53,090 --> 01:10:56,530
We don't yet know if that's going to be reauthorized, right?

727
01:10:57,370 --> 01:10:59,290
We're just crossing fingers.

728
01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:09,570
So just to highlight the other way restricted, this is posh.

729
01:11:09,930 --> 01:11:16,670
This is one that we do hope to get replaced or not replaced, but repair and get it unloaded, restricted.

730
01:11:18,190 --> 01:11:21,730
It also accesses that east side of Highway 35.

731
01:11:21,730 --> 01:11:28,970
So, all of the ones that are looked restricted are currently east of Highway 3-5.

732
01:11:29,550 --> 01:11:30,090
Is there no?

733
01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:32,610
I'm bored.

734
01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:34,030
Oh, great.

735
01:11:34,170 --> 01:11:35,230
I didn't put that.

736
01:11:37,820 --> 01:11:44,740
So, my ask is that we adopt this plan, and we move forward in trying to find funding.

737
01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:50,540
And to give these ones that are in non-maintenance

738
01:11:50,540 --> 01:11:52,020
safer placed,

739
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,780
and then a perfect grant on anyone

740
01:11:56,780 --> 01:11:57,400
it's available.

741
01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:00,200
The RTA is coming to consent.

742
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,340
That was on the supplemental agreement.

743
01:12:03,580 --> 01:12:06,500
And then slap if that becomes available,

744
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,080
will probably be September or February.

745
01:12:11,980 --> 01:12:21,160
And then the continuing budget moves from the public work's road signs up 250,000 to this capital road fund,

746
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:25,640
so that we can continue this work, and be successful in the

747
01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:36,420
next slide, says.

748
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:37,940
I'm a little careful.

749
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:40,380
There you go.

750
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:41,820
You know I feel better.

751
01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:48,680
So I'm working on another brief replacement product problem.

752
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:50,840
And we're doing similar sort of calculation.

753
01:12:52,380 --> 01:12:55,660
So certainly, I think you've done a great job in David Evans.

754
01:12:55,940 --> 01:12:59,800
It's done a great job in preparing this facility's plan.

755
01:13:00,340 --> 01:13:02,060
So I've got no problem moving forward with that.

756
01:13:02,900 --> 01:13:08,260
What would be interesting to identify is if we know the length of the detours,

757
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:10,900
which you just provided, and we know the traffic,

758
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:16,260
Okay, which I don't know if you know, that can be translated into an economic value of the

759
01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:18,480
bridge in terms of a benefit cost analysis.

760
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:25,900
So it might be, if that's something that we can generate easily, maybe Jake can sort of

761
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:27,140
magically make it appear.

762
01:13:29,180 --> 01:13:35,700
That would be, might help you in your flat grant or anything else that you're trying to do.

763
01:13:42,710 --> 01:13:48,790
I'm just saying there are models for developing economic value to the community of these things.

764
01:13:49,330 --> 01:13:56,130
The same models would be helpful to us if we had to make a decision that we simply could afford to maintain 27 bridges.

765
01:13:57,170 --> 01:14:00,790
27 bridges in the county that this is a 26-bridge county.

766
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:03,890
We need that information to make a decision like that.

767
01:14:03,890 --> 01:14:10,090
Do some of the create applications require specificly that, or you just would be helpful information to make our point.

768
01:14:10,290 --> 01:14:16,250
Yeah, I think it would be helpful to make our point for the Federal Lands Access Program.

769
01:14:17,890 --> 01:14:21,890
There is economic drivers as part of that.

770
01:14:23,330 --> 01:14:27,130
I don't know if we can necessarily show that on that bridge.

771
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:37,890
There are other roads that we're also looking at that same program and just applying for them all that might be successful.

772
01:14:41,890 --> 01:14:45,310
But I think it's a good sort of detail, what's the current administration.

773
01:14:49,210 --> 01:14:51,770
And like I said, it will also help us prepare some institutions in the future.

774
01:14:54,140 --> 01:14:58,740
Hopefully we can keep making a decision to do a little at a time when they won't fail any time.

775
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:15,080
I mean, we didn't know the information before we know it now. We're going to keep working to make sure that we aren't in this state that we keep working on the four bridges that we know about, and keep maintaining the ones that we just would have.

776
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:20,900
I guess recording stopped, recording in progress.

777
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:24,600
I didn't say anything during work, very much.

778
01:15:25,660 --> 01:15:31,080
Yeah, so from a liability point of view, the state,

779
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:36,080
and the state reviews, the state has told us they give us,

780
01:15:37,180 --> 01:15:38,600
it was a four-year timeline.

781
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,020
Two-year timeline, okay.

782
01:15:41,420 --> 01:15:42,600
So they give us the three recommendations.

783
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:50,820
timeline and we have to take reasonable actions that the, because I'm looking at

784
01:15:50,820 --> 01:15:54,220
me saying, there's, there's some term that, or something that we have to do.

785
01:15:54,460 --> 01:15:59,300
Obviously, we can't magically know whether we're just going to fail, but we've been put on

786
01:15:59,300 --> 01:16:04,480
notice that there is a situation that needs to be remedy, remedy, so we have to do

787
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:09,600
something, or we have to make some, we have to consciously make the decision of

788
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:20,540
And that's part of why we're adopting this plan, is to forward with the knowledge that we are not going to be maintaining these four bridges

789
01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:25,200
because we're not going to see a measurable impact on this four bridges.

790
01:16:25,700 --> 01:16:30,000
So really, the not maintained means that we need to replace.

791
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,740
These are the four bridges that we're going to actively work to replace.

792
01:16:33,740 --> 01:16:37,120
But we're not obligated to close the tomorrow, for example.

793
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:38,040
Correct.

794
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,000
They are, in a perfectly fine condition as they are.

795
01:16:41,620 --> 01:16:44,940
Just the repairs won't be a substantial repair.

796
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,600
We'll see that repair money to fix them to replace them.

797
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:50,980
Okay.

798
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,560
Did you have anything else?

799
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:54,380
I have.

800
01:16:54,940 --> 01:16:56,700
Those were made to be automatically addressed.

801
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,080
Typically if you're provided notice,

802
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:10,280
year given an opportunity to be cured. And so I would think that it would be, yeah, going back to the plan and identifying what steps do you plan to take the thing, what time frame?

803
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,300
It seems like we're not ignoring the information that we have.

804
01:17:15,820 --> 01:17:18,460
We also don't have the money, imagine we need to fix everything.

805
01:17:18,460 --> 01:17:37,960
So, I'm not uncomfortable from an ethical point of view that we're ignoring a problem, but it would be helpful to have some understanding of the ramifications of whether we are in fact meeting our legal obligation.

806
01:17:38,580 --> 01:17:43,880
Has the state given us notice on these or was this initiated completely?

807
01:17:44,540 --> 01:17:54,060
So the NBI bridges we have been given notice, but I do have to say that we haven't been

808
01:17:54,060 --> 01:17:59,520
very successful in completing the work to this point until we have this report.

809
01:17:59,740 --> 01:18:04,560
We weren't as diligent with the repairs as we should.

810
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:08,440
And what triggered the initiation of the report?

811
01:18:09,060 --> 01:18:13,540
Was it being put on notice or was it just it's a good idea for us to do?

812
01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:20,940
It's a good idea that we should do and we should have the knowledge of what the condition of our bridges are and

813
01:18:20,940 --> 01:18:26,440
a recommendation for our maintenance team to be able to to go forward and know what they're doing

814
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:28,340
is going to make a natural impact.

815
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:30,200
Are

816
01:18:32,820 --> 01:18:33,980
there any more questions?

817
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,220
I just want to know how you're going to find the time to get all that done too.

818
01:18:42,340 --> 01:18:44,620
There are already working on the signs now.

819
01:18:44,620 --> 01:18:58,020
I think that what's striping is done in a couple weeks, they're all going to take the month off for hunting and the vegetation removal is part of that and then that's a great question.

820
01:18:59,780 --> 01:19:07,380
But if we don't know the information they can't be targeted and so that's part of the reason of the line is the targeted approach.

821
01:19:07,380 --> 01:19:14,940
kind of a series full of that though with ODOT's recent step reductions, is ODOT funding

822
01:19:14,940 --> 01:19:20,500
bridge inspection program or are we going to be stuck without that program in the future?

823
01:19:22,020 --> 01:19:30,040
Great question. It is federally mandated that somebody and in the state of Washington

824
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,620
and local jurisdictions do that work,

825
01:19:36,420 --> 01:19:37,620
I hope not.

826
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,140
I don't want to take on that liability.

827
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:46,540
Even if we would have to consult it out, like, late.

828
01:19:51,130 --> 01:19:52,630
All right, well, thank you very much.

829
01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:53,450
Thank you.

830
01:19:57,930 --> 01:19:59,970
And with that, let me...

831
01:20:00,620 --> 01:20:04,540
We start on meeting at six o'clock, so we'll take a break.

832
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:06,080
Recording stopped.

833
01:20:42,580 --> 01:20:43,380
I don't know what it's like.

834
01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:47,260
But what is it cost for parking mayn't know this?

835
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:48,200
I guess I can't even ask.

836
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:48,800
We don't know.

837
01:20:48,980 --> 01:20:51,060
But I mean, just a small word.

838
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,320
I mean, what kind of project do we talk about?

839
01:20:53,620 --> 01:20:55,220
Like, a public phrase now?

840
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:56,380
I know I should have that.

841
01:20:56,940 --> 01:20:57,980
You know, it's pretty good.

842
01:20:57,980 --> 01:20:58,760
It's good to be blown.

843
01:20:59,140 --> 01:21:00,540
Do you know what kind of code it is?

844
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,080
I don't know what it is.

845
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,520
Martin V. Laws would come to do with...

846
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,680
Children's are friendly, those that go for them to follow.

847
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:25,760
So that's fine, that's fine, that's fine, that's fine.

848
01:25:00,820 --> 01:25:16,000
I don't know what I need to do, I don't know what I need to do.

849
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,720
to the city council meeting in every discussion.

850
01:25:21,420 --> 01:25:24,000
Bonding for the sake of Bonding.

851
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,140
The term that they have.

852
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:29,860
Bonding capacity available.

853
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,980
So there's nothing to discuss about when the city.

854
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:36,680
Ask for a bond.

855
01:26:09,860 --> 01:26:15,380
Do you mean how do we prioritize between the big projects that the school wants to do?

856
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:20,500
The county wants to do, and there's parks and records to do, and the city wants to do.

857
01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:30,430
This is a perpetual discussion, but I don't think anyone has ever made a dent in that concept,

858
01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:36,330
because we have a system that encourages small elements that their own silos,

859
01:26:36,330 --> 01:26:40,730
And there's no particular incentive for them to work with each other.

860
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,640
So I have to fix the tax system first.

861
01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:50,580
And then we can come back and take a look at this.

862
01:26:51,940 --> 01:26:52,420
OK.

863
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,920
That's not an end of the quintile.

864
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,260
I don't know if I have a ticket about it.

865
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:01,680
I have some ideas.

866
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:21,260
Yeah, I don't think it's as hard as people, I don't know.

867
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:21,700
To do what?

868
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:22,520
To do what?

869
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:23,360
To do what?

870
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:23,580
To do what?

871
01:27:23,580 --> 01:27:23,660
To do what?

872
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,380
That would take some political will.

873
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,440
I would, but I think, yeah.

874
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,860
Are there a lot of people that like to be alive?

875
01:27:35,860 --> 01:27:37,200
I think that matters in our favor.

876
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:49,220
You mean you think that if it came over for rocker changes and that believes that that's

877
01:27:49,220 --> 01:27:51,240
more and more likely a stunt goes on?

878
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,560
Because people understand the problems?

879
01:27:55,060 --> 01:27:59,280
No, because it just becomes more and there interests to address it.

880
01:28:00,460 --> 01:28:05,140
Because there are more people treated unfairly on the current system and the degree to which

881
01:28:05,140 --> 01:28:06,760
being treated unfairly gross?

882
01:28:08,020 --> 01:28:12,920
Is it any particular group of people or just people that have all this 50% of the

883
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:13,700
property owners?

884
01:28:14,380 --> 01:28:14,940
In what way?

885
01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:18,280
50% of the property owners don't pay more than their fair share.

886
01:28:21,980 --> 01:28:22,660
Is that people?

887
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,700
So do you have one property where you're paying more than your share share in one way or not?

888
01:28:26,940 --> 01:28:27,540
I do, in fact.

889
01:28:27,740 --> 01:28:28,780
So I'm exactly on average.

890
01:28:29,340 --> 01:28:33,460
If you have the two of them, because I own two pieces of property, but I don't think

891
01:28:33,460 --> 01:28:43,820
And did us a history because of the intent when measure 5 and 50 were written was to break the system.

892
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,160
It wasn't intended to solve anything.

893
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,140
It was intended to break things intentionally.

894
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,460
And it succeeded at that.

895
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:59,020
And logically, it created a logical situation where over time it couldn't help but create inequities.

896
01:28:59,020 --> 01:29:01,220
Now the hit and the hit.

897
01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:04,340
After six ever year gets.

898
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,600
Does it get worse every year?

899
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:07,100
Pestic.

900
01:29:07,860 --> 01:29:10,520
It's in some of the logistics who are sort of looking.

901
01:29:13,620 --> 01:29:15,980
I can't, the cancelled itself.

902
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,260
Well, it's just a horrible way to stay.

903
01:29:28,220 --> 01:29:30,400
I need to hamstring the state.

904
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:34,900
And the county coffers.

905
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:42,620
I know that politically agnostic says you don't even address that because if the

906
01:29:42,620 --> 01:29:48,760
public wants to, if this is a serious one's to limit the county or state coffers, they can do it.

907
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,680
But you can do it in a way that's fair, you can do it in a way that's fair.

908
01:29:53,220 --> 01:29:55,860
Wait, it's chosen as a way that's badly unfair.

909
01:29:57,460 --> 01:29:59,960
But, but also, just now you're lodging.

910
01:30:00,210 --> 01:30:13,050
Of thinking that that the growth in our party taxes is disconnected from, from the wider economy.

911
01:30:14,110 --> 01:30:15,890
Well, from you, from, for instance,

912
01:30:17,930 --> 01:30:29,130
from the public's reaction to the fact that you tie, you tie all of the income for government to,

913
01:30:29,130 --> 01:30:38,210
asset that I'm that's illiquid. So I don't have the option of selling part of

914
01:30:38,210 --> 01:30:44,370
my property to pay my taxes every year. Right, so that's the problem with having

915
01:30:44,370 --> 01:30:54,130
a purely property tax-based system. So I think that that would be a reason why

916
01:30:54,810 --> 01:30:59,770
members of the public might say we want to limit the growth of property tax.

917
01:31:02,210 --> 01:31:06,710
There are obvious, they're very, again, well, reasons why the public might want to do that.

918
01:31:07,150 --> 01:31:14,270
That doesn't say that we don't want services and we don't want government that says we don't want services and government that says we don't want services and government be paid for

919
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,240
It's just terrifying to have

920
01:32:02,440 --> 01:32:05,320
I mean, to me, you know, I keep this.

921
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,480
There's things that you think are okay with.

922
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:09,500
There's sort of things about it.

923
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:10,780
It's not that hardly ever.

924
01:32:10,820 --> 01:32:11,700
It's all self-limiting.

925
01:32:12,980 --> 01:32:13,200
You think?

926
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:13,900
Yeah.

927
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:14,720
So, yeah.

928
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:15,980
So, try this.

929
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:17,640
Good to see you.

930
01:32:19,180 --> 01:32:19,920
Good to see you.

931
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:21,160
Good to see you.

932
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:21,920
Good to see you.

933
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:25,000
What's that?

934
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:27,920
Great, so we'll be accepting to a black hole at some point, so we...

935
01:32:29,180 --> 01:32:29,280
No.

936
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:30,760
And then I'll be...

937
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:31,440
Yeah, I'm sorry.

938
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:32,780
Okay.

939
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:34,480
Sure, so that's not the self-esteem.

940
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:35,560
Oh, that's how we're doing.

941
01:32:36,140 --> 01:32:38,180
I'll be swimming only in the next two years.

942
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:38,900
Oh, okay.

943
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:39,920
Oh, we'll get to work on that.

944
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:42,060
No, I have ideas there.

945
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:44,600
That's...

946
01:32:53,250 --> 01:32:54,610
They'll see me in the internet.

947
01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:57,330
You try to...

948
01:32:57,330 --> 01:33:03,850
finalist review discussion, I made a creative solution to partner, no one else had a solution to.

949
01:33:04,110 --> 01:33:07,330
And Bill looked at me like I was crazy, he could have just kept talking to me or me.

950
01:33:08,890 --> 01:33:14,010
So, so, okay, I'd probably have, I'd probably have, I'd probably call myself now.

951
01:33:14,430 --> 01:33:16,090
So, okay, well, I'll try this last version.

952
01:33:17,010 --> 01:33:20,110
We'll try to get this here, if it doesn't work, then maybe next year we should talk about that.

953
01:33:22,110 --> 01:33:23,630
I said it in flight with.

954
01:33:23,630 --> 01:33:24,990
Yeah.

955
01:33:39,930 --> 01:33:40,450
Yeah.

956
01:33:40,930 --> 01:33:41,630
Yeah.

957
01:33:41,630 --> 01:33:41,650
Yeah.

958
01:33:41,650 --> 01:33:42,090
Yeah.

959
01:33:42,090 --> 01:33:42,150
Yeah.

960
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:42,550
Yeah.

961
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:43,130
Yeah.

962
01:33:45,790 --> 01:33:48,610
Are you guys all ready?

963
01:33:49,550 --> 01:33:49,790
Yeah.

964
01:33:50,590 --> 01:33:50,870
Yes.

965
01:33:53,450 --> 01:33:53,960
Yeah.

966
01:34:02,650 --> 01:34:11,470
I will call the business meeting Agenda, I'm sorry, the business meeting to order for the

967
01:34:11,470 --> 01:34:17,890
Democratic Commission at 6 o'clock on August 18, 2025.

968
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:22,850
Are there any additions or deletions to the Agenda?

969
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:27,270
No, any conflicts or potential conflicts and interest?

970
01:34:27,950 --> 01:34:34,450
Do we have any public comment in the audience or do we have any public comment online?

971
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:38,440
All right.

972
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:39,000
Well, great.

973
01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:44,460
We can start with our County Administrator report.

974
01:34:45,460 --> 01:34:46,160
Good evening.

975
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:48,900
I have a couple of updates for you.

976
01:34:49,020 --> 01:34:51,520
It has been a busy month.

977
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,670
The first item was just to report back.

978
01:34:54,670 --> 01:34:59,630
We have a stakeholder meeting last Monday and

979
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:23,400
We might have been going to report about this. I just wanted to note that it was a great meeting. We have a great showing of emergency responders and agencies from both sides of the river. IA4 and Highway 14.

980
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:37,020
The bulk of the meeting I would say was given to ODOT to talk about the issues that would arise due to their current funding situation.

981
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:46,060
But we then broke out into groups to talk about local roads, needs, communications and then emergency response.

982
01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:53,860
And when we all came back together, there was the agreement that this was starting a process,

983
01:35:55,280 --> 01:36:02,280
and that those groups would be organized in the ideas to create a book of procedures that can be implemented

984
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:06,680
singly or as a set in order to achieve particular outcome.

985
01:36:07,780 --> 01:36:12,380
And Charles reported that these are broadly around three lines of effort,

986
01:36:12,380 --> 01:36:18,100
reducing traffic coming into the county and facilitating the flow of traffic out of the area,

987
01:36:18,660 --> 01:36:24,100
creating local traffic flows to reduce congestion within specific port and downtown areas,

988
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:30,900
and prioritizing critical routes to critical infrastructure, such as hospitals, fire stations, etc.

989
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,980
So it was a great start to getting everybody together.

990
01:36:34,980 --> 01:36:46,680
I think what I took home was the intermingling of all of our communication networks is just really

991
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:47,240
paramount.

992
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:53,560
And so when we talked about people not in the room, public information officers, we had

993
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:58,920
one from Providence and I think she highlighted the need for that communication.

994
01:36:59,060 --> 01:37:00,800
So I think that was a really good start.

995
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:08,700
The other item, Commissioner Babis, I didn't know if you were going to report on the courthouse

996
01:37:08,700 --> 01:37:15,100
facilities, meeting, but just want to note that we're continuing to wittle down our options

997
01:37:15,790 --> 01:37:20,420
and we're set to get the steering committee back together in early September.

998
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:25,480
And hopefully have a report on a final recommendation for the September meeting.

999
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:35,120
I identified another number of administrative issues follow up from the last meeting.

1000
01:37:37,780 --> 01:37:45,720
We had the question about management control procedures coming out of the budget process.

1001
01:37:47,020 --> 01:37:54,560
And so as the July meeting I recommended the street pronged plan to enter into the process

1002
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:58,760
to do the organizational assessment, which would have financial analysis.

1003
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:03,880
And my thought is that we can bring that back to the board.

1004
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:09,880
Look at where we are here today and understand at that point if we're going to make major changes.

1005
01:38:10,580 --> 01:38:14,340
I'm always over optimistic on how quickly things begin to happen.

1006
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,560
So my hope is that we're approaching that pre budget process.

1007
01:38:19,940 --> 01:38:23,100
So this winter is my hope.

1008
01:38:23,100 --> 01:38:40,500
And so I would just put that back in your lab if you believe that that is a good point of demarcation in terms of checking in and understanding if you want to do anything further with this year's budget.

1009
01:38:41,300 --> 01:38:43,100
So if that out there for you.

1010
01:38:44,820 --> 01:38:45,840
What did you suggest?

1011
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:47,980
Six months.

1012
01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:52,300
And a November, which I guess said to you.

1013
01:38:52,500 --> 01:39:00,600
We're putting together the request for proposal that would be, do back and we'd be putting a contract together in October.

1014
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:12,840
So my hope is that within the next 90 days we're getting to some understanding of some quick changes that we could make.

1015
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:16,500
from 90 days from now, or 90 days from October.

1016
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:17,160
Yeah, that's the case.

1017
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:26,560
Anything else?

1018
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:28,480
The other item.

1019
01:39:29,340 --> 01:39:32,900
I put some information on our report in regards to the tax refund.

1020
01:39:33,140 --> 01:39:37,400
The question that was asked about the source of the tax refund.

1021
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:45,780
And the other thing was just a reminder in regards to the timbre deposit interest fund.

1022
01:39:45,780 --> 01:39:52,780
We had that discussion last time that it would be good to put that on the future agenda in regards to policy for the use of that fund

1023
01:39:55,540 --> 01:39:59,880
I have a letter that I walked in that is

1024
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:10,940
I request from the National Association of Counties to provide a letter of support for the bill, for the surface transportation, reauthorization bill.

1025
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:16,720
So it would ask for your action on that this evening.

1026
01:40:18,340 --> 01:40:25,460
And we do have the PCs here who has a quick update on the carbon program.

1027
01:40:25,460 --> 01:40:28,640
if that is the case for this point in time.

1028
01:40:28,980 --> 01:40:33,400
When it comes to the letter, are we adding that to,

1029
01:40:34,180 --> 01:40:36,260
did that get added to the consentage?

1030
01:40:36,380 --> 01:40:37,560
I know that came in later.

1031
01:40:37,900 --> 01:40:38,400
It came in now.

1032
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:39,980
So I'm doing it in a separate motion.

1033
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,740
If you have reviewed it and you, yes, if you were to come back.

1034
01:40:44,740 --> 01:40:51,120
Is it okay if we all just weigh in on whether or not it looked like a good idea to me?

1035
01:40:51,940 --> 01:40:51,960
Yeah.

1036
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:53,920
I think we should have a motion on it though.

1037
01:40:53,920 --> 01:41:02,560
Okay, all right, and I do have questions on a bunch of the issues that I also talked about, so can I ask those before we go in the next section?

1038
01:41:04,180 --> 01:41:22,180
The first one, emergency response meeting, it sounds like you had a great meeting, what I took from what you said, it sounded the way you recounted it, it sounded like everyone was there for the right reason, and it's taking it seriously, and it's either to solve the problem with the set of first things.

1039
01:41:22,180 --> 01:41:23,660
I think that's a very fresh thing.

1040
01:41:24,100 --> 01:41:26,560
That's really excellent to hear.

1041
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,400
The next thing on the Plegent Discussion,

1042
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:31,960
I guess.

1043
01:41:32,980 --> 01:41:38,200
I think six months is too long for,

1044
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,540
I think I'm talking about a different piece of it though,

1045
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,300
as you share this thing worried about what I might say next.

1046
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,360
I would like to do is,

1047
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:55,220
we would like us to have an agenda item that relatively soon to have a discussion as to whether

1048
01:41:55,220 --> 01:42:03,200
we put in place a hiring freeze so that all hiring rehires or replacements, et cetera,

1049
01:42:03,480 --> 01:42:11,860
have to be approved by the Board of Commissioners and I don't know if I have the agreement

1050
01:42:11,860 --> 01:42:15,680
on that, but I'd like to have a agenda item so we can talk about that.

1051
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:22,280
So I was going to say that that was my recollection of the discussion we had last time not necessarily making

1052
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,540
structural changes based on a six month

1053
01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:44,240
You know happy you're into the budget and if we were gonna have to make adjustments as I think that's how I remember

1054
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:50,140
coming out of here in and if we do that at the same time.

1055
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,760
And the policy in the timber and trust reserve account,

1056
01:42:53,220 --> 01:42:55,120
I think that's kind of an interesting discussion.

1057
01:42:55,700 --> 01:42:56,380
I think I can go any place.

1058
01:42:57,420 --> 01:43:02,320
I think staff is going to need some time to come up with the wisdom

1059
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,560
that we're going to need to make a policy decision on that.

1060
01:43:04,820 --> 01:43:07,780
So I wouldn't think about something that we could talk about.

1061
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:12,980
Nearly as soon as simply taking some actions

1062
01:43:12,980 --> 01:43:20,040
which put decision points sooner rather than later, because those will have the biggest impact

1063
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:23,940
on making sure to shut up easier next but it's cycle.

1064
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:28,200
Thanks.

1065
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:28,840
Any else?

1066
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:30,020
No, that's a thank you.

1067
01:43:30,340 --> 01:43:30,520
Okay.

1068
01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:34,640
Well then, why don't we go to the consumer ID?

1069
01:43:35,260 --> 01:43:35,460
We go to the consumer ID.

1070
01:43:35,460 --> 01:43:35,880
There you are.

1071
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:37,040
I think that was going to be a good idea.

1072
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:37,680
Is it a party?

1073
01:43:38,020 --> 01:43:39,300
Oh, I'll excuse me, right.

1074
01:43:41,380 --> 01:43:45,800
I don't have any questions on this, so I need to get those questions off the table.

1075
01:43:47,940 --> 01:43:52,400
Thanks for having me in a moment here.

1076
01:43:52,620 --> 01:43:57,920
Just to quick update on the carbon project that the climate trust is working with us on.

1077
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,520
They've made some good progress this summer.

1078
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:07,100
They did the field verification work of the inventory and it's been installed in that path.

1079
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:07,720
So that's good.

1080
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:08,460
It's a big step.

1081
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:10,520
They're a pretty remaining when that came through.

1082
01:44:11,820 --> 01:44:15,980
So they're still got quite a bit to do in overall verification process.

1083
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:18,120
We now end at December.

1084
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:20,960
So they're hoping that we'll all be completed by then.

1085
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:22,160
That's not.

1086
01:44:22,180 --> 01:44:24,360
I probably won't have as much to do with that.

1087
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:28,880
But I've had fairly frequent correspondence with them.

1088
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:30,480
Pretty much once or twice a week.

1089
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:33,100
It's various questions, things that come up.

1090
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:45,160
Another point to that, though, is they are starting to do pre-sale marketing, and so with potential companies that want to acquire purchase

1091
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:49,880
carbon credits that will become available for this, specifically our project.

1092
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:59,980
And so, there is some interest, although overall they would say the interest for credit program.

1093
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,420
Right now is a bit of a low overall, but there is some interest for a project. So that's good.

1094
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:13,500
So it is moving forward. I wouldn't say there's any alarms going off at this point. It's moving forward.

1095
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:21,340
So we would say, you know, a low and there's no alarms. The low you're talking about assume is based on the political climate.

1096
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:29,000
I don't know if that's the cause necessarily. I've been assuming that that's maybe the only thing that could be factoring in.

1097
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:37,260
But I would just say, generally, in talking with the climate trust, you know, we compared

1098
01:45:37,260 --> 01:45:42,340
it to when we entered into our agreement, market was at a high time at all time high, and

1099
01:45:42,340 --> 01:45:44,620
it ramped up pretty good over about a five-year period.

1100
01:45:45,140 --> 01:45:51,400
But now we come down on that bit, for sure, pricing right now as of today.

1101
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:55,360
The good news is we're not selling all of our credits at once, we just kind of want to get

1102
01:45:56,060 --> 01:46:05,240
And the agreement we have actually requires them to make an effort to sell some of the credits now within the first couple years.

1103
01:46:06,540 --> 01:46:12,240
So I guess all I'm seeing is they are working diligently to fill up their end of the bargain.

1104
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:15,480
And so that's occurring, and that's good.

1105
01:46:15,700 --> 01:46:17,860
We're still talking about fairly large sums of money.

1106
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:23,220
So just to get the ball rolling, if you like there's revenue coming back for the commitment that we're making,

1107
01:46:23,220 --> 01:46:30,560
that actually started in 2023. It was the nice to see some revenue forecast on when that revenue

1108
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:37,700
could start to come in. Once the sales are completed, looking to get the sales completed in

1109
01:46:37,700 --> 01:46:44,140
the spring of this next year. And potentially we could see that revenue either at the end of

1110
01:46:44,140 --> 01:46:48,900
this fiscal year, potentially May June, work and swap over related into the following

1111
01:46:48,900 --> 01:46:50,720
in the summertime next year.

1112
01:46:52,300 --> 01:46:54,780
So don't quite know for sure if we're going to get

1113
01:46:54,780 --> 01:46:58,740
at this fiscal year or early in the next fiscal year,

1114
01:46:59,420 --> 01:47:01,840
but in these thoughts, the direction it's headed right now.

1115
01:47:02,700 --> 01:47:05,420
I was kind of poking a little bit to try to make this happen.

1116
01:47:05,660 --> 01:47:08,080
So it happens this fiscal year, not a last week,

1117
01:47:08,540 --> 01:47:10,420
but again, don't have control of that.

1118
01:47:10,780 --> 01:47:14,020
It would be kind of interesting to know what their thoughts are

1119
01:47:14,020 --> 01:47:17,780
on, whether it's just a wall based on,

1120
01:47:17,780 --> 01:47:24,300
in that inevitability of this happening, like say, all time high, and how much of it is

1121
01:47:24,300 --> 01:47:29,320
a difference in policy, because I mean, current administration has made it very clear

1122
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:34,900
that carbon emission and green energy is not nearly as important as the previous administration.

1123
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:42,640
Yeah, I mean, there could be some effects, but there can also be some counter effects of that same thing.

1124
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:46,680
And so we talked a little bit about that in general,

1125
01:47:52,800 --> 01:48:01,100
But I think they were interested to kind of steer the conversation away from that and just kind of look at the figure of the picture.

1126
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:02,380
And there are other factors.

1127
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:10,200
So, do we, could you ask them questions about how carbon credits have historically tracked recessions and things like that?

1128
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:15,260
I don't know if there's enough history, but would be interested to know what the economics of the pricing.

1129
01:48:15,260 --> 01:48:28,620
If there's any selling work done on the economics of pricing of carbon and what things affected so we could feel a little bit more comfortable that yeah, it doesn't have to be

1130
01:48:28,620 --> 01:48:31,360
The low can be from 50 different things.

1131
01:48:32,340 --> 01:48:36,500
Yeah, I could follow up and try to give them more info or insight on that.

1132
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:43,840
I've tried to do a little bit of research on that independently, but I'm trying to do that with climate trust, especially if you can see it.

1133
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:52,440
They like to be a little bit protective of pricing, working conversation as well, kind of proprietary inside your knowledge, I guess you could say.

1134
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,840
I don't think there's a pricing question, though.

1135
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:57,140
No, not specifically, but-

1136
01:48:57,140 --> 01:48:57,780
I mean, now.

1137
01:48:57,780 --> 01:48:59,400
I mean, for transition in reasons.

1138
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:00,360
Does it have a recession?

1139
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:01,460
Yeah.

1140
01:49:01,460 --> 01:49:03,800
Is it a cyclical or counter cyclical or through recession?

1141
01:49:04,060 --> 01:49:06,160
Or is it a move by recession?

1142
01:49:06,620 --> 01:49:07,920
There's a reasonable question.

1143
01:49:12,860 --> 01:49:13,340
Yeah.

1144
01:49:13,340 --> 01:49:17,740
that credits have existed to know, but I'd like to at least ask that question.

1145
01:49:19,540 --> 01:49:26,540
I have a view that in terms of their caution about sharing pricing information with us.

1146
01:49:27,020 --> 01:49:36,060
It, I have to believe that every client of theirs is skittish about the language, about carbon,

1147
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:40,460
and windmills, et cetera, that's coming out of the US government.

1148
01:49:40,460 --> 01:49:48,760
So it would be too difficult for them to understand that they have to say something to us.

1149
01:49:49,220 --> 01:49:52,480
We regarding it in an exposed position at this moment,

1150
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:59,980
where there is a meter running on the costs, which we have to share.

1151
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:05,880
Here with them in certain circumstances, forget about all the different offerings, but there is a meter running.

1152
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:14,140
And it's not crazy for us to say, are we doing the right things still given the direction of things we're taking?

1153
01:50:15,300 --> 01:50:22,740
Right, I mean, there is an offering we could take. It would cost us. Yes, to do that.

1154
01:50:22,740 --> 01:50:27,620
We don't have any policy information now that let's just make a decision on that, and that's

1155
01:50:27,620 --> 01:50:32,880
I think what the pressure or other side are kind of poking out a little bit.

1156
01:50:33,940 --> 01:50:40,980
Well, I mean, right now we're proceeding on the climate trust proceeding to effectuate the agreement

1157
01:50:40,980 --> 01:50:42,200
Mark Erberg.

1158
01:50:45,260 --> 01:50:51,920
I think, you know, I guess that it sounds like maybe it's almost a separate, really called

1159
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:56,160
conversation, that's something that the commissioners want to reinvestigate.

1160
01:50:57,260 --> 01:51:07,300
I think that you always have to be asking questions, especially when there's radical reorganization of the government policy and what economics.

1161
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:21,340
So, what percent of the total carbon credits are we talking about selling at what rate?

1162
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:26,340
So are we going to be selling, for instance, if we are going to sell some of them in the next

1163
01:51:26,340 --> 01:51:31,800
two years, what percent I think I did see in the first five years?

1164
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:34,080
Yeah, let's say it's an hour between 10.

1165
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,160
So the first couple of years were 10 to 50.

1166
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:43,580
For the overall product we're looking to sell 10 to 15 percent in the next issue.

1167
01:51:43,900 --> 01:51:47,740
In the first issue, it switches the one that's mixed for next summer.

1168
01:51:48,260 --> 01:51:49,760
Yeah, it would come in, yeah, next spring.

1169
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:53,940
But the first five years is almost the entire thing.

1170
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,560
Let us spread out over about a 10 year period.

1171
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:57,840
It wasn't the first five, okay.

1172
01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:04,040
Yeah, the first five had any by 60% or something like that, but then it was still

1173
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:06,620
three significant amounts spread out to about 10 years.

1174
01:52:06,980 --> 01:52:11,040
And that's kind of an estimated cycle timeline of what they're trying to do.

1175
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:16,880
We've already seen some adjustments just because the agreement took so long to get, for example,

1176
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:19,000
from what the original timeline was.

1177
01:52:19,740 --> 01:52:26,100
But we are, yeah, I would say it's on track that way.

1178
01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:48,080
Now that now that they're getting a going, and again, the market pricing today will affect prices that you get, and there's different types of credits that are, you know, various projects have, and some of those credits are working more than others too, and that's another differentiation as well.

1179
01:52:50,940 --> 01:52:53,740
So it remains to be seen exactly what we get.

1180
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:57,800
We put a forward price in the agreement, which is, you can get to them.

1181
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:00,840
I kind of forced that in the agreement.

1182
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:04,040
I just wasn't comfortable doing it without that.

1183
01:53:04,460 --> 01:53:07,240
So there is a baseline that they've got to be.

1184
01:53:08,300 --> 01:53:13,940
And if they don't bring forward a total of sales,

1185
01:53:13,940 --> 01:53:17,540
that meets that minimum floor was 1975.

1186
01:53:19,300 --> 01:53:22,040
And you know, we didn't, you can push on and say,

1187
01:53:22,180 --> 01:53:23,540
no, that's not a good idea.

1188
01:53:25,460 --> 01:53:26,480
So that's an ingredient.

1189
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:29,960
But above that, you know, the average pricing,

1190
01:53:30,260 --> 01:53:35,140
I think even with the latest, the latest amendment

1191
01:53:35,140 --> 01:53:36,600
that we did during that discussion,

1192
01:53:36,780 --> 01:53:41,180
I mean, they were a swinging around 1675 average.

1193
01:53:41,460 --> 01:53:43,880
That's over the average of the next 10 years.

1194
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:49,060
pricing and so you know they're estimating out quite a ways to what is it right now?

1195
01:53:50,300 --> 01:53:51,640
It didn't I see what it means.

1196
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:56,900
There's no absolute there. I mean if I was if you had to say what that was I would say the

1197
01:53:56,900 --> 01:54:00,920
range is between five and thirty dollars done from what I've seen in online.

1198
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:07,060
Well I have the same I think I have the same concern the way I put it is that I'm glad we're not

1199
01:54:07,060 --> 01:54:11,240
selling more than that into what you've described as a law.

1200
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:20,340
So that, that gives me some amount of comfort that we're not, that this is only 15%.

1201
01:54:20,340 --> 01:54:25,660
I don't know how many sales happen in the course of six months.

1202
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:30,180
This low is defined by how many data points.

1203
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:31,460
What that looks like.

1204
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:38,020
I'm used to looking at an amicated, but I've never looked at anything in a market this small.

1205
01:54:38,020 --> 01:54:49,540
I don't know how small it is, but I would kind of like to understand a little bit more, and we are one of how many clients that they are.

1206
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,720
It's all very proprietary, yeah, interesting.

1207
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:59,820
But all these people that we're marketing to, these entities.

1208
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,020
The credits that are being marketed to are all doing this involuntary systems, right?

1209
01:55:05,980 --> 01:55:15,400
I don't believe there is any governmental mandates that, maybe I'm missing some, maybe California, some things in place.

1210
01:55:16,460 --> 01:55:27,280
But in most cases, this is voluntary, you know, corporations determining that it's in their corporate interest to acquire carbon credits

1211
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:32,200
for their own marketing purposes or whatever and so I don't know what a market like that

1212
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:39,180
looks like through a recession when they have other things to spend on and I think it's

1213
01:55:39,180 --> 01:55:45,660
a lot of those companies have their own kind of self-motivated mandates. They want me to

1214
01:55:45,660 --> 01:55:52,860
certain goals say by 2030 or 2035 and the windows approaching pretty fast for some of those goals

1215
01:55:52,860 --> 01:56:00,860
if they're going to meet it. So at some point, if they're going to meet them, they know they're going to have to purchase credits to meet those types of goals.

1216
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:04,860
And so now I don't know overall how that market is playing out.

1217
01:56:09,140 --> 01:56:13,000
And we take a fair amount of time to spend it to get that information.

1218
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:14,400
It's not readily available.

1219
01:56:15,140 --> 01:56:17,940
But I can certainly have some more conversation with the pilot trust.

1220
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:25,000
You talk about personally, these companies don't publicly help.

1221
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:31,060
So they're making decisions based on shareholder and turn.

1222
01:56:32,340 --> 01:56:35,140
And they're going to the way that they make those decisions.

1223
01:56:38,220 --> 01:56:42,340
It's not going to be purely altruistic.

1224
01:56:42,340 --> 01:56:47,900
And that's, I don't know how to put a fine action on it, right?

1225
01:56:47,900 --> 01:56:55,480
I think the thing that I guess what I'm not hearing that's, is that perhaps there's

1226
01:56:55,480 --> 01:57:03,440
a shift in how many people are going to be impressed by the marketing, we have

1227
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:04,760
content credits.

1228
01:57:05,460 --> 01:57:11,120
And that's sort of the question that's out there, is there a shift in that, or are there

1229
01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:14,220
people that are buying these carbon credits in the people they're marketing to, are they

1230
01:57:14,220 --> 01:57:19,100
feeling as they always have? Or has there been a shift in that too? And I mean that

1231
01:57:19,100 --> 01:57:24,760
would be a shift that I don't really know that, I mean I don't know how we would know that.

1232
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:31,400
But anyway, we're selling into a law or a tiny bit concerned and it would be nice to know

1233
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:33,580
a little bit more about what a law is.

1234
01:57:33,580 --> 01:57:39,220
I mean, the long range forecast is 16.

1235
01:57:39,420 --> 01:57:47,360
Loosely forecast is that the expectation is that it will increase in future.

1236
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:51,340
Back to what it was, or even above that.

1237
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:58,820
But it is clear, hindsight is in 2020 that prices that they're getting seen today are now

1238
01:57:58,820 --> 01:58:00,140
what they were three years ago.

1239
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:03,140
Well, you know, maybe that's not shocking.

1240
01:58:03,540 --> 01:58:08,820
I understand the concern and also alerts our alternative is to

1241
01:58:08,820 --> 01:58:11,200
then cut down trees, right?

1242
01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:14,320
And so Timber, 300 acres a year, potentially.

1243
01:58:15,420 --> 01:58:18,940
And we've done the math that that being our source of revenue

1244
01:58:18,940 --> 01:58:20,300
or selling credits.

1245
01:58:22,380 --> 01:58:29,080
And that's also a very number of years that varies at a ten year cycle.

1246
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:36,280
And also, to missiles are also lower at this time, so I haven't

1247
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:43,680
just, you know, like, trust that protecting our forest, or along the

1248
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:48,980
period of time, we haven't made any change to our cut, right?

1249
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:51,380
We've just prevented anyone in the future.

1250
01:58:51,700 --> 01:58:55,700
We haven't done that yet either, but we're in the process of that.

1251
01:58:55,700 --> 01:59:10,820
Well, just so I'm clear when asked those questions as I understand it, the idea with the carbon trust was that based on our current force management plan, we would not have to alter what we were doing to take advantage of the credits.

1252
01:59:10,820 --> 01:59:16,520
So, the only thing I'm doing, I'm not saying that I feel like we should be changing course.

1253
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:22,740
I'm just asking questions on what they feel like, the lowest and the lowest and the lowest and the lowest.

1254
01:59:22,740 --> 01:59:25,540
And is it based on politics?

1255
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:26,980
What is it based on?

1256
01:59:27,340 --> 01:59:32,640
I don't think that it certainly doesn't mean talking about scrapping the thing,

1257
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:36,460
because that wouldn't necessarily change your force management plan anyway.

1258
01:59:36,460 --> 01:59:42,820
What we're saying to this for the amount that we're spending on doing this study, what our share might be of that?

1259
01:59:44,260 --> 01:59:51,340
Yeah, I think we're in a project basically,

1260
01:59:53,900 --> 01:59:56,160
it keeps us doing what we're doing.

1261
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,960
What it does restrict us in is that...

1262
02:00:00,270 --> 02:00:21,290
We can't harvest morning growth. And so we wanted to accelerate harvest. Let's just say you had something you wanted extra revenue for for the next five to ten years. And you want for whatever reason, I don't know what that is. This program would only really do that.

1263
02:00:21,290 --> 02:00:32,610
It would codify your current force management plan by not allowing you at least in a certain amount of time to change it because you couldn't cut more.

1264
02:00:32,810 --> 02:00:35,910
All right, so it does forces to be consistent.

1265
02:00:37,070 --> 02:00:37,870
Which we've been for.

1266
02:00:38,710 --> 02:00:40,270
We've all talked about from positive.

1267
02:00:40,370 --> 02:00:41,830
Maybe we're all very happy with that.

1268
02:00:42,350 --> 02:00:43,270
Yeah, right.

1269
02:00:43,270 --> 02:00:43,650
Yes.

1270
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:46,740
Thank you.

1271
02:00:46,740 --> 02:00:48,040
Are there any more questions?

1272
02:00:49,140 --> 02:00:49,720
No, okay.

1273
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:50,360
Thank you very much.

1274
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:51,460
I just want to be really clear.

1275
02:00:51,460 --> 02:00:53,820
And the questions I was asking about that was looking

1276
02:00:53,820 --> 02:00:56,060
to necessarily change the direction.

1277
02:00:56,420 --> 02:00:57,220
I don't want to just.

1278
02:00:58,820 --> 02:00:59,060
OK.

1279
02:00:59,500 --> 02:01:00,440
Now I think it's a great program.

1280
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:05,260
I just, it's, you know, when we get into an economic,

1281
02:01:05,260 --> 02:01:09,040
it's an area which involves economics, which are not

1282
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:11,840
as straightforward as simply your borrowing

1283
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:15,280
a million dollars to five years and interest rate.

1284
02:01:15,380 --> 02:01:16,800
I think we're complicated in that.

1285
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:20,800
We ought to be educated, and this is an area where

1286
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:23,100
our education is limited.

1287
02:01:25,180 --> 02:01:31,500
It is one of those places where we don't know exactly how it's going to turn out.

1288
02:01:32,260 --> 02:01:36,800
You know, when you take your fruit to market, we may not have a price of any place.

1289
02:01:37,100 --> 02:01:37,620
May not.

1290
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:41,500
Is that sort of sort of shot across the bow?

1291
02:01:41,500 --> 02:01:46,000
You say that we have no control over the market.

1292
02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:48,460
So I don't know what price I'm going to get for him tonight.

1293
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:51,160
I mean, we'll have the same one.

1294
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:52,140
We'll have the same world.

1295
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:54,700
We're price takers, not price.

1296
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:55,960
Make this.

1297
02:01:57,160 --> 02:02:01,140
This carbon agreement has some of that except that I do have four.

1298
02:02:01,460 --> 02:02:04,220
Did you have the same thing to call it to a 40-year commitment?

1299
02:02:04,380 --> 02:02:05,580
That's like, I'm a county.

1300
02:02:06,140 --> 02:02:07,500
No, I'm having four.

1301
02:02:07,820 --> 02:02:08,660
Thank you very much.

1302
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:09,540
I would love that.

1303
02:02:09,740 --> 02:02:09,920
Yes.

1304
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:16,280
I can sit by my own race, whatever amount I want, it's just I may not have any customers.

1305
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:18,360
Thank you.

1306
02:02:19,100 --> 02:02:19,220
Yes.

1307
02:02:19,220 --> 02:02:20,140
You probably have the same ability.

1308
02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:21,560
Absolutely.

1309
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:22,500
The customers, yes.

1310
02:02:24,420 --> 02:02:24,780
All right.

1311
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:25,700
We agreed to the price.

1312
02:02:25,900 --> 02:02:26,840
We just give you no peos.

1313
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:28,300
Yes.

1314
02:02:28,300 --> 02:02:30,040
Oh, and also in the center of the objective.

1315
02:02:32,670 --> 02:02:33,150
All right.

1316
02:02:35,070 --> 02:02:36,810
And this time it really is.

1317
02:02:36,810 --> 02:02:51,950
Yes, and I was also on vacation, so I was meeting with Commissioner Thilbrady, who I serve on the

1318
02:02:51,950 --> 02:02:59,950
McKamia Housing Authority Board, the McKamia Courts Health Council Board, the McKamia Housing

1319
02:02:59,950 --> 02:03:05,150
Authority Board is worried, of course, with that housing, housing, since they're mostly

1320
02:03:05,150 --> 02:03:06,450
I've got to leave on that.

1321
02:03:09,190 --> 02:03:14,130
So, you know, just trying to be very mindful of revenue there.

1322
02:03:14,530 --> 02:03:20,730
Columbia Gorge Health Council, also very worried about Medicaid dollars coming into the state.

1323
02:03:21,490 --> 02:03:31,830
Also, waiting to see what Oregon leadership does regarding the federal government's request to release information on anyone who is on Medicaid.

1324
02:03:31,830 --> 02:03:50,410
since we have about 5,000 people in the state of Oregon who are undocumented and on Medicaid in the state of Oregon and y'all might have heard that the state of Washington has released information on anyone who's on application.

1325
02:03:50,410 --> 02:03:52,870
I think it's what it's called in Washington,

1326
02:03:54,910 --> 02:04:00,010
so that's been a big scared so far the State of Oregon,

1327
02:04:00,310 --> 02:04:06,610
Oregon have authority so that they will not release it information but not sure how long that will hold.

1328
02:04:06,610 --> 02:04:15,370
Mid-Combia Center for Living, also depends greatly on federal funding and the much-needed

1329
02:04:15,370 --> 02:04:21,590
Resolution Center for Drug Rehabilitation is one of the big projects where we secured

1330
02:04:21,590 --> 02:04:34,810
about $25 million and we're really talking to our partners and staff about, you know, as

1331
02:04:34,810 --> 02:04:40,170
smart to start a new line-up business if we aren't sure if there's going to be enough

1332
02:04:40,170 --> 02:04:47,730
furthering to sustain it and trying to figure out if that's a smart move right now

1333
02:04:47,730 --> 02:04:54,850
although there's huge need and we already have some money's committed. There needs to be a

1334
02:04:54,850 --> 02:04:59,970
decision made within the next six months or else we'll have to be sending money back to the state.

1335
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:06,480
Which then might go back to the federal government, about $4 million there, and other municipalities promised.

1336
02:05:10,260 --> 02:05:11,260
And then,

1337
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:15,080
chair, did you want me to talk about?

1338
02:05:15,900 --> 02:05:16,800
Yeah, so meeting, yeah.

1339
02:05:17,900 --> 02:05:23,400
So I wasn't at the last at our July board meeting.

1340
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:36,220
And I watched the recording, and I also talked to me about the, we are immigrants,

1341
02:05:36,220 --> 02:05:43,820
It's sort of grew, it's in my history, and don't go to Australia,

1342
02:05:46,380 --> 02:05:49,120
and my initial reaction

1343
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:57,580
was, and thought was about the Native American community who were not immigrants, and

1344
02:05:57,580 --> 02:05:59,740
what their thoughts would be around a proclamation.

1345
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:05,140
And then of course, I was listening to Arthur's comments like, is that it really in our realm

1346
02:06:05,140 --> 02:06:06,760
and what should we be focusing on?

1347
02:06:06,900 --> 02:06:08,400
We've got a lot of other priorities.

1348
02:06:09,980 --> 02:06:12,220
And because it is per season, this is in my dad

1349
02:06:12,220 --> 02:06:16,880
and chatting with a lot of the workers who I'm close with

1350
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:21,120
and saying it out with, and I was asking them

1351
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:24,580
about this proclamation, and they really had no idea

1352
02:06:26,060 --> 02:06:28,260
of what a proclamation was.

1353
02:06:28,860 --> 02:06:30,780
And they asked what it would do for them.

1354
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:34,140
And if I showed up, could they say,

1355
02:06:34,140 --> 02:06:42,020
There's a proper mission, and that would get rid of them, and I said no, and so they said,

1356
02:06:42,260 --> 02:06:46,840
well, then, does it do anything for me, like it's not helpful,

1357
02:06:49,820 --> 02:06:51,320
so I really do understand

1358
02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:52,400
the intent.

1359
02:06:54,320 --> 02:07:01,060
So, and then I spoke to some of their folks, actually even at the Oregon Health Authority who

1360
02:07:01,060 --> 02:07:13,560
immigrants and and really they said that it felt like it was very like for

1361
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:20,680
show very performative and actually she was very upset that that's what

1362
02:07:22,660 --> 02:07:28,400
we could have that's where the energy was going and she said that she just

1363
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:33,460
She didn't want any more attention, but she hasn't been speaking Spanish when she goes out,

1364
02:07:33,620 --> 02:07:35,520
and then she just doesn't want the attention.

1365
02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:38,200
She doesn't want to call attention to any of it.

1366
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:40,400
She wants it to go away.

1367
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:45,360
And we need to, like, work people together.

1368
02:07:45,540 --> 02:07:46,420
But what do you care about?

1369
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:51,740
Like, we need housing when we need a place so that we can live and go to school.

1370
02:07:52,260 --> 02:07:55,560
And we're, you know, have our kids have a safe place to live,

1371
02:07:55,560 --> 02:08:01,320
the sweat matters and our jobs, so I am not a favor of this

1372
02:08:01,320 --> 02:08:04,160
proclamation. I do understand me and tend to

1373
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:07,120
I appreciate that we have allies to support the community.

1374
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:12,500
And I love seeing the signs, appreciate that, and I just, I can't, I don't

1375
02:08:12,500 --> 02:08:15,140
need, I don't see the need or the value in the proclamation.

1376
02:08:16,700 --> 02:08:17,700
We'll thank you.

1377
02:08:17,820 --> 02:08:22,560
I don't want to ask Commissioner Moredi to share that with us because after

1378
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:30,580
the meeting after our commissioners meeting, Arthur and I met, and so I asked Commissioner

1379
02:08:30,580 --> 02:08:37,260
ready if I could share what she said, and so she had like two sentences that I shared

1380
02:08:37,260 --> 02:08:46,920
with that basically people like housing and so I just wanted to make sure that you were able

1381
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:47,380
to say that.

1382
02:08:47,820 --> 02:08:48,240
Thank you.

1383
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:48,820
Thanks very much.

1384
02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:54,720
So I had a question for you, but I actually have the answer, so I'll share it.

1385
02:08:54,980 --> 02:08:58,820
My questions have the, what is the Medicaid coverage for U of Accounting?

1386
02:08:59,580 --> 02:09:02,360
What percentage of your population is under Medicaid?

1387
02:09:03,980 --> 02:09:07,820
And Georgetown University has the data for 2023 instance.

1388
02:09:08,420 --> 02:09:12,580
We're at 24.4% which is almost exactly the statewide average.

1389
02:09:14,240 --> 02:09:15,400
So we're right in the middle.

1390
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:27,760
The 24 percent of the population of the population of the population of the population of her county is on this medicating, and when you look at children, it's

1391
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:29,200
it's

1392
02:09:29,200 --> 02:09:37,760
39 percent compared to the 36 percent statewide. So we're a little bit higher on that number, and then for none, I'll do the adult setting quote,

1393
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:41,400
You know, we're at 24 in the state of just 21.

1394
02:09:43,200 --> 02:09:46,160
So, the basic way to think about what best they have to state what average.

1395
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:53,800
And I don't know, I just, you know, it's good to know that that's important

1396
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:54,540
of our population.

1397
02:09:56,200 --> 02:09:57,860
These that will run.

1398
02:09:59,020 --> 02:09:59,980
Yeah, I know that it refers.

1399
02:10:00,370 --> 02:10:08,310
The Department of Human Services and we're serving at one and four, the only answer across the state, women, and also correlates with Medicaid.

1400
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:10,970
Is this a snack container?

1401
02:10:13,250 --> 02:10:15,350
So, it's good news, the numbers are consistent.

1402
02:10:19,990 --> 02:10:21,770
All right. Sure, you start talking.

1403
02:10:22,010 --> 02:10:23,850
You should be sure about this.

1404
02:10:24,230 --> 02:10:25,530
It's your turn, please give us a favor.

1405
02:10:25,630 --> 02:10:29,190
Okay, so I have been on the caution, but I did attend meetings while I was on vacation.

1406
02:10:29,190 --> 02:10:38,090
And so on the Community Action Council, we continue to be worried about funding sources

1407
02:10:38,090 --> 02:10:41,330
as Commissioner Murray described for some of their things.

1408
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:47,390
We did just get a contract with the state for a big chunk of our funding, and it was actually

1409
02:10:47,390 --> 02:10:49,670
at the level that we had hoped for.

1410
02:10:50,490 --> 02:10:55,530
So it's like a bit of good news, but I haven't had a chance to ask that just to begin to

1411
02:10:55,530 --> 02:11:03,090
to understand quite with the ramifications of that are, but and then on to the bridge.

1412
02:11:04,790 --> 02:11:10,190
And the problem we saw, I think there was a press release that I received a copy of it in my

1413
02:11:10,190 --> 02:11:16,510
mail yesterday or today and I don't know who that press release was sent to but that was a press release

1414
02:11:16,510 --> 02:11:23,510
concerning the letting of the contract for the design of the bridge.

1415
02:11:23,510 --> 02:11:31,970
So we approve, we the commissioners, the commission, the Twitter Board's own Bridget Sorry, Bridget Sorry, that's what we're called.

1416
02:11:32,170 --> 02:11:34,930
I can do that to get our name right.

1417
02:11:35,390 --> 02:11:44,930
We approved a contract with Q and infrastructure and West for the design of the bridge.

1418
02:11:45,570 --> 02:11:47,190
And that's a major milestone.

1419
02:11:47,830 --> 02:11:49,630
We have funding lined up to do that.

1420
02:11:49,630 --> 02:12:04,090
There are some specific specifics about the funding that we'll determine how far this part of the project can go, but we are into the design phase now, which is.

1421
02:12:04,090 --> 02:12:16,330
So, are there is the idea? Is there the money that the money that the majority has secured? Is that enough for the design phase or only enough to begin the design phase?

1422
02:12:17,450 --> 02:12:32,590
There's a cash flow question on it, so we are waiting at the federal decision on 84 million dollars.

1423
02:12:34,610 --> 02:12:39,730
I didn't see it a little clip online and it did show that cash flow.

1424
02:12:39,730 --> 02:12:42,290
So you might get, if I read the chart correctly,

1425
02:12:42,630 --> 02:12:45,050
that there was, early in the process,

1426
02:12:45,190 --> 02:12:46,830
there was plenty, but later in the process,

1427
02:12:46,830 --> 02:12:50,530
was where the problem potential could be.

1428
02:12:51,110 --> 02:12:53,650
Yeah, each of the chunks of money that we get

1429
02:12:53,650 --> 02:12:56,150
has different strings attached in different timing.

1430
02:12:56,490 --> 02:12:58,790
So for example, Oregon State is giving us some money

1431
02:12:58,790 --> 02:13:01,410
out of lottery bond sales, and those bond sales

1432
02:13:01,410 --> 02:13:03,110
happen in traditional times.

1433
02:13:04,370 --> 02:13:08,310
But they'll always happen at that time, then they've

1434
02:13:08,310 --> 02:13:37,190
for later bond sales, not earlier ones, so that funding isn't available, certain fundings can't be spent with other fundings being available because, you know, there are agreements to keep Oregon and Washington, even, and agreements on federal funds can't make up more than a certain percentage of the project, so we have to track those federal expenditures and match them with state source expenditures,

1435
02:13:37,190 --> 02:13:43,050
whose state source expenditures have to be state funds that didn't derive in some remote and

1436
02:13:43,750 --> 02:13:47,950
unobvious way from federal sources as many of the state funds do.

1437
02:13:48,910 --> 02:13:55,910
So all that's to say it's a very complicated calculation and what we figured out is that we

1438
02:13:55,910 --> 02:14:03,910
definitely have enough money that is allowed to be spent to do the design but not to do it

1439
02:14:03,910 --> 02:14:05,590
in the most efficient manner.

1440
02:14:05,590 --> 02:14:12,030
So, it forces us to stretch the design out longer than one would want to do, so it will

1441
02:14:12,030 --> 02:14:13,590
cost more to do it.

1442
02:14:13,810 --> 02:14:20,230
And we're hoping to get these fellow funds approved, so we can then bring the design back

1443
02:14:20,230 --> 02:14:22,450
into the Agrius and Rational.

1444
02:14:23,490 --> 02:14:23,990
Thank you.

1445
02:14:24,130 --> 02:14:24,930
Thank you.

1446
02:14:24,930 --> 02:14:25,290
That's fine.

1447
02:14:25,290 --> 02:14:25,570
Addering.

1448
02:14:25,830 --> 02:14:26,330
More efficient.

1449
02:14:26,570 --> 02:14:26,950
Yeah.

1450
02:14:28,610 --> 02:14:30,510
We have people working on this.

1451
02:14:30,510 --> 02:14:31,370
You slow it down.

1452
02:14:31,590 --> 02:14:34,970
You tell them the, you know, you talk to you at that.

1453
02:14:34,970 --> 02:14:37,850
Yeah, we can't work on this for the next three months.

1454
02:14:38,270 --> 02:14:40,230
Those people will be assigned to other projects

1455
02:14:41,090 --> 02:14:43,490
and you're not going to get those them back

1456
02:14:43,490 --> 02:14:45,810
onto your projects unless there are no projects happening

1457
02:14:45,810 --> 02:14:46,510
in any place.

1458
02:14:47,050 --> 02:14:49,310
So we're trying to avoid that circumstance.

1459
02:14:50,970 --> 02:14:55,210
And that's all that is to say that we have to be very hopeful

1460
02:14:55,210 --> 02:14:59,870
that we get the 80 through near soul.

1461
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:09,520
Billion dollars freed up. That was committed to us by the federal government about the year ago January, so the year and a half ago.

1462
02:15:09,780 --> 02:15:10,600
That makes

1463
02:15:12,940 --> 02:15:14,120
sense.

1464
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:16,260
So there's what?

1465
02:15:16,260 --> 02:15:16,880
There's what?

1466
02:15:18,200 --> 02:15:19,080
Sorry, I can do anything.

1467
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:20,820
There was a clip he said.

1468
02:15:21,720 --> 02:15:30,440
Well, we will get a design on the shelf, but it will cost more, and then we will not be preceding

1469
02:15:30,440 --> 02:15:34,280
to construction in less, we have other funding sources,

1470
02:15:34,340 --> 02:15:35,800
which is what we're working on now.

1471
02:15:36,020 --> 02:15:36,600
Thank you.

1472
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:40,530
Well, I understand anything else.

1473
02:15:40,790 --> 02:15:41,330
You must have more.

1474
02:15:41,350 --> 02:15:42,950
This far more detail, then I think,

1475
02:15:43,010 --> 02:15:43,970
do you guys want to hear?

1476
02:15:44,610 --> 02:15:45,850
It's fine, we'll...

1477
02:15:46,770 --> 02:15:47,550
No, no, no, no.

1478
02:15:48,010 --> 02:15:49,530
I don't hear other parts of here.

1479
02:15:50,370 --> 02:15:51,130
Can you get out of here?

1480
02:15:52,030 --> 02:15:53,530
I think that was enough.

1481
02:15:54,210 --> 02:15:54,730
I do, too.

1482
02:15:55,910 --> 02:15:57,410
How do you got a free one?

1483
02:15:57,830 --> 02:16:00,530
I did, but I don't think you want to hear all about them.

1484
02:16:05,170 --> 02:16:10,390
I did, I think we heard everything we needed to on that issue.

1485
02:16:11,930 --> 02:16:18,130
And I went to some others, but I also think that sometimes the details are not that important,

1486
02:16:18,390 --> 02:16:20,950
and I'm waiting to see what happens.

1487
02:16:23,190 --> 02:16:25,390
I'm getting permission on, sir.

1488
02:16:28,070 --> 02:16:29,870
It's hard to follow that.

1489
02:16:30,750 --> 02:16:33,590
Anyway, so, well, I just thought I'd mix it up.

1490
02:16:34,930 --> 02:16:35,070
Yeah.

1491
02:16:36,270 --> 02:16:37,590
I can't afford for us.

1492
02:16:38,130 --> 02:16:40,730
We have not really been giving out a lot of loans.

1493
02:16:40,850 --> 02:16:43,130
People haven't really been applying for them.

1494
02:16:43,510 --> 02:16:44,790
Obviously, due to the times of rent,

1495
02:16:44,910 --> 02:16:46,790
so a lot of the meetings have been getting canceled

1496
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:50,490
because we just, I mean, they're exactly the meetings,

1497
02:16:50,750 --> 02:16:52,670
but as far as the loan administrative quarters,

1498
02:16:53,290 --> 02:16:57,050
we have not been, we just haven't had a lot of applicants.

1499
02:16:57,510 --> 02:16:58,130
So that's been,

1500
02:16:58,970 --> 02:17:05,770
been a little different. It sounds like I did speak with the Mount Hood Town Hall. They did get

1501
02:17:05,770 --> 02:17:11,870
seven proposals for the solar grant that they have and so they're going to pick through those

1502
02:17:11,870 --> 02:17:16,890
with Lindsay McClure and try to figure that out and to set it to top three and then interview

1503
02:17:16,890 --> 02:17:22,610
from there. So that's kind of exciting. They'll get that done. Something interesting I did

1504
02:17:22,610 --> 02:17:32,050
And then there was food there. I went down to the Pacific Crest Trails days at cascades locks and walked through all that.

1505
02:17:32,090 --> 02:17:33,530
I don't know what that, I know it was going to be.

1506
02:17:33,530 --> 02:17:38,610
But down on the board, it was very, it was really cool.

1507
02:17:39,750 --> 02:17:43,010
I ended up with some of my wife ended up with some new gear out of that.

1508
02:17:43,410 --> 02:17:44,330
So, I couldn't find anything.

1509
02:17:45,630 --> 02:17:47,130
So, yeah.

1510
02:17:47,490 --> 02:17:50,370
So, that's pretty much what I have for you.

1511
02:17:51,790 --> 02:17:57,770
I was just gonna say nothing, I've done the last month involved food, but you bypassed

1512
02:17:57,770 --> 02:17:58,570
me and looked at Chad.

1513
02:17:59,430 --> 02:18:00,350
So you'd say it now?

1514
02:18:00,690 --> 02:18:01,750
I just did.

1515
02:18:02,750 --> 02:18:05,710
So, just said it out of order.

1516
02:18:07,050 --> 02:18:15,050
I'm out with economic lines very much, like McCead has been fairly inactive due to a lack of

1517
02:18:15,050 --> 02:18:22,990
Yeah, a lot of funds at the moment, so haven't been much there on the north-horse side,

1518
02:18:24,530 --> 02:18:31,770
the coalition, which has been very active in the counties and trying to do a lot of outreach

1519
02:18:31,770 --> 02:18:38,490
for us to understand. I didn't make last. They presented to the, um, whatever rotary,

1520
02:18:38,490 --> 02:18:42,030
I agree with that, I mean, understand what's good meaning.

1521
02:18:42,250 --> 02:18:51,130
So, sure thing was, Molly Rogers from Walskow, as well as the jail commander and such

1522
02:18:51,930 --> 02:18:57,070
work, and it sounds like some really good questions, and, you know, actually, people ask

1523
02:18:57,070 --> 02:19:05,470
you about the public safety level you had any impact on, more profound things, so it's been

1524
02:19:05,470 --> 02:19:07,410
I think that's good.

1525
02:19:09,010 --> 02:19:17,350
Also, just operationally, I mentioned in one's past, we're concerned about the contract

1526
02:19:17,350 --> 02:19:18,510
that we had lost.

1527
02:19:19,290 --> 02:19:22,970
The U.S. marshals have what we don't have a contract has.

1528
02:19:23,270 --> 02:19:34,210
Continue to keep numbers a higher rate kind of covering that loss of the

1529
02:19:34,210 --> 02:19:37,530
operational assessment.

1530
02:19:39,910 --> 02:19:47,710
There's a working group, put together that we'll take the next steps

1531
02:19:47,710 --> 02:19:53,090
in understanding and making recommendations to the full board and to the counties, make

1532
02:19:53,090 --> 02:19:59,910
over that word is myself, Sheriff English, the Joe Commander, and Business Manager.

1533
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:15,820
And then the Sherman Law School Juvenile Directors. So, we're looking for a facilitator. There was an idea, thrown out that the business manager would potentially facilitate that.

1534
02:20:15,820 --> 02:20:20,200
And I think that was a bad idea, just because of any potential inherent.

1535
02:20:22,040 --> 02:20:26,180
No, no, no, no biases to how that should move forward.

1536
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:28,060
So we're looking for that.

1537
02:20:28,400 --> 02:20:31,200
We're looking for a facilitator.

1538
02:20:32,460 --> 02:20:35,040
Looking at first and foremost for someone that would do a good job,

1539
02:20:35,180 --> 02:20:42,420
and secondly, someone that would be inexpensive based on our current budget

1540
02:20:42,420 --> 02:20:43,300
deficiencies.

1541
02:20:45,460 --> 02:20:54,200
So that then one little piece I did talk to the Joe Commander today apparently, I stood

1542
02:20:54,200 --> 02:21:02,400
come through and asked for a short term hold of which we've informed them that that was

1543
02:21:02,400 --> 02:21:08,160
not a possibility and moved on and apparently that stayed in the parking lot and

1544
02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:12,020
store it, the property owned by, and in particular we're seeing people

1545
02:21:12,020 --> 02:21:15,040
taking pictures and such, but anyway, just in case there's any

1546
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:18,200
scale up within the community that we're always doing anything

1547
02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:20,320
with ice, that is absolutely not the fact.

1548
02:21:20,460 --> 02:21:23,460
And so that was the answer that was given on this pursuant

1549
02:21:23,460 --> 02:21:24,320
to state law.

1550
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:25,880
Correct.

1551
02:21:29,540 --> 02:21:31,600
So, that is all I have.

1552
02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:34,220
Can I ask another question, short?

1553
02:21:34,220 --> 02:21:40,140
And so, Sophie has been trying to get me to sign up for a North Park tour.

1554
02:21:40,140 --> 02:21:43,500
To work with two or two or two or two.

1555
02:21:46,680 --> 02:21:51,400
And stated that it's a contractual or statutory requirement,

1556
02:21:52,380 --> 02:21:54,500
that each commissioner do this, does anyone know?

1557
02:21:54,540 --> 02:21:55,220
I think it's...

1558
02:21:56,840 --> 02:21:57,440
Excuse me?

1559
02:21:57,820 --> 02:22:01,340
I thought it was only for the representative, which I have fulfilled.

1560
02:22:02,040 --> 02:22:11,740
I don't know that it's for all is it I can I can double check on that.

1561
02:22:12,420 --> 02:22:16,680
Okay, so I've never done this before so I wasn't done through my last term.

1562
02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:25,440
maybe it was an oversight, but number one, I just wish for one of those to do this and number

1563
02:22:25,440 --> 02:22:31,020
two, I simply am over committed and number of things, number of obligatory meetings I have to go to.

1564
02:22:31,320 --> 02:22:40,620
I can check on the Sophie, but our the way we've been operating, it's just been the representatives from the counties that have done that.

1565
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:41,580
I have to do that.

1566
02:22:41,580 --> 02:22:44,240
No, if they were food them, I don't know.

1567
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:48,460
Well, there is on the 28th, the River Rotterie is actually

1568
02:22:48,460 --> 02:22:51,460
touring the facility and there will be lunch provided, so.

1569
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:55,240
And it is, it's just identified in our charters,

1570
02:22:55,580 --> 02:22:59,820
slash admin code at the board, shall make a visit,

1571
02:23:00,160 --> 02:23:03,320
may make a visit on an annual basis to inspect

1572
02:23:03,320 --> 02:23:03,980
your operation.

1573
02:23:04,360 --> 02:23:06,780
May the show, it is May.

1574
02:23:07,840 --> 02:23:08,140
It's May.

1575
02:23:08,320 --> 02:23:08,920
It's May.

1576
02:23:09,700 --> 02:23:10,180
We may.

1577
02:23:10,180 --> 02:23:15,260
I think it's important that the commissioner rather is going on.

1578
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:19,180
He is important that as many of us as can go go,

1579
02:23:19,380 --> 02:23:24,060
but I think at this point I'm simply over committed.

1580
02:23:26,270 --> 02:23:27,860
The 21st and going right?

1581
02:23:28,430 --> 02:23:31,130
Arthur, I think truly more so and you're worried.

1582
02:23:31,530 --> 02:23:34,550
That's why in my retirement tour they may not let you back out.

1583
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:35,970
So I understand.

1584
02:23:39,010 --> 02:23:39,710
Okay.

1585
02:23:44,480 --> 02:23:47,820
Well, I also went to this meeting.

1586
02:23:49,820 --> 02:23:54,700
I think it was that someone's going to grant this people.

1587
02:23:55,340 --> 02:23:58,380
I mean, it's playing how the board felt.

1588
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:03,300
I attended the R1 Act meeting, which happens every other month.

1589
02:24:03,300 --> 02:24:23,500
We got this wonderful presentation for those of us who are in this area who attend the Arlin Act meetings from Kathy Fitzpatrick from the Cad in Concord, and they were wonderful presentations and we were well prepared and there's no chance to actually present anything.

1590
02:24:24,180 --> 02:24:33,640
We spent the whole time hearing about the lack of funding and it was discouraging.

1591
02:24:35,440 --> 02:24:43,460
Unless there's money for us to be discussing spending, there's maybe not that much for the RNF to do so.

1592
02:24:44,520 --> 02:24:47,840
Hopefully you'll get more interesting when there are more funds.

1593
02:24:48,260 --> 02:24:50,680
So we're all waiting for the end of the month for the 29th.

1594
02:24:50,680 --> 02:24:52,580
and this special session happens.

1595
02:24:54,960 --> 02:24:56,720
Because it was really sobering one of the things

1596
02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:58,980
I went to the same meeting on emergency management

1597
02:24:58,980 --> 02:24:59,960
and it was really sober.

1598
02:25:00,460 --> 02:25:09,340
If this doesn't pass, the lack of snow plowing on I-35,

1599
02:25:11,440 --> 02:25:31,300
and I-4 becoming C, I think it is, level C, which is, there wouldn't even be these are the levels of how much maintenance they do, and there would be nobody, there would be no roads in the state that would be A&B.

1600
02:25:31,300 --> 02:25:33,180
If this doesn't pass.

1601
02:25:33,640 --> 02:25:45,820
So just to understand what was presented to you, did it present what would be the case under the governor's proposal?

1602
02:25:46,140 --> 02:25:46,620
No.

1603
02:25:46,740 --> 02:25:47,660
They were talking no.

1604
02:25:48,040 --> 02:25:53,520
And I think that, obviously, it's if the governor's proposal doesn't pass.

1605
02:25:53,940 --> 02:25:55,960
So yes, this is not under the governor's proposal.

1606
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:58,040
And I'm sure that it probably is going to pass.

1607
02:25:58,040 --> 02:26:03,500
It's just interesting how what a deep hole we've gotten before we got one.

1608
02:26:03,580 --> 02:26:05,920
I think it's just as, because Wayne was explaining to me,

1609
02:26:06,040 --> 02:26:11,500
that the government's proposal is to stop further layoffs,

1610
02:26:11,640 --> 02:26:16,520
but we've already gone from, and we're 20 maintenance people in this region.

1611
02:26:17,180 --> 02:26:19,880
There were 13, and as of, and for the layoffs,

1612
02:26:20,020 --> 02:26:22,060
happened to now we're down at six or sevens.

1613
02:26:22,240 --> 02:26:23,500
Guard, you remember the number?

1614
02:26:24,020 --> 02:26:27,060
Well, and I think if it passes, there would be some high-ups, correct?

1615
02:26:27,060 --> 02:26:30,520
But that's not the way it was described in the press, at least.

1616
02:26:31,200 --> 02:26:38,180
It was described as a measure to that ODOT had carefully done a certain number of

1617
02:26:38,180 --> 02:26:45,120
layouts, and that they would have to do more if there isn't stock gaps

1618
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:46,260
solution by the governor.

1619
02:26:46,660 --> 02:26:48,180
Or from the governor, from the council.

1620
02:26:48,920 --> 02:26:52,040
So that's kind of a different view, and that's whereas

1621
02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:55,800
my understanding is that with a number of people we have in

1622
02:26:55,800 --> 02:27:03,160
in this region right now, if there's a fire, there aren't people available to keep the road closed.

1623
02:27:03,720 --> 02:27:03,800
Correct.

1624
02:27:06,030 --> 02:27:06,390
Or cloud?

1625
02:27:07,090 --> 02:27:07,570
Or cloud?

1626
02:27:08,250 --> 02:27:08,330
Or cloud?

1627
02:27:08,330 --> 02:27:09,690
We don't have to cloud our entire fire.

1628
02:27:13,730 --> 02:27:14,950
So I'm not.

1629
02:27:15,530 --> 02:27:20,270
I'm not quite sure what the point is of telling us the situation that we'll be in six months if we don't.

1630
02:27:20,290 --> 02:27:26,230
I think in telling, we have a special session that we know, we can speculate, I think it's better to just,

1631
02:27:26,230 --> 02:27:31,710
We will, we will know by their next meeting in the middle of class and the other thing that

1632
02:27:32,350 --> 02:27:38,490
both, um, the administrative and I did was go meet with, uh, Rift, Dexter and Cassidy

1633
02:27:38,490 --> 02:27:41,150
blocks the day that Chad was unavailable and we do that.

1634
02:27:41,470 --> 02:27:48,310
Thank you for supporting secure rules, schools, and, um, talked about me and he has

1635
02:27:48,310 --> 02:27:52,010
her come county, but mostly it was about Cassidy blocks, so we made a little presentation

1636
02:27:52,010 --> 02:27:53,810
and she made it with me so that I can still draw.

1637
02:27:54,930 --> 02:27:57,770
And, but obviously, it's good to stay in touch.

1638
02:27:59,570 --> 02:28:03,050
Did you discuss there the discipline?

1639
02:28:07,690 --> 02:28:09,610
She didn't, we all got this invitation.

1640
02:28:09,930 --> 02:28:10,190
Ten of us.

1641
02:28:10,630 --> 02:28:11,410
Ten of us.

1642
02:28:11,410 --> 02:28:11,970
She didn't.

1643
02:28:12,150 --> 02:28:12,550
The discussion.

1644
02:28:13,810 --> 02:28:14,710
No, I don't think we could.

1645
02:28:14,930 --> 02:28:16,590
No, that came up later.

1646
02:28:17,750 --> 02:28:20,410
And so I said that to all of you.

1647
02:28:20,410 --> 02:28:26,250
So she had a different date book, it's a different topic, as she was doing the 10-year-long

1648
02:28:26,250 --> 02:28:26,490
time.

1649
02:28:27,230 --> 02:28:30,910
So if any of us are doing that, we should coordinate, so we're not.

1650
02:28:30,910 --> 02:28:31,890
Are you doing it?

1651
02:28:32,010 --> 02:28:34,470
I'm deciding, but we should not create quorum.

1652
02:28:37,810 --> 02:28:39,470
Does that mean we have to coordinate on this?

1653
02:28:39,690 --> 02:28:40,310
Is that September?

1654
02:28:41,730 --> 02:28:42,270
That's okay.

1655
02:28:42,590 --> 02:28:43,110
I'll look at it.

1656
02:28:45,110 --> 02:28:47,410
And then I...

1657
02:28:47,410 --> 02:29:17,390
I talked to Nate Stice from the Governor's office from time to time, and he brought me up to speed on something that isn't directly hit a mechanic issue currently, but it's the fact that the people who've lost their homes are having a hard time feeling supported in rebuilding them, and they have been communicating with the Board's Commission, and it's perhaps not as smooth sailing as everybody is.

1658
02:29:17,410 --> 02:29:23,850
which is it might be because the need to protect all of the things that the Board's commission

1659
02:29:23,850 --> 02:29:32,930
and the Board's seeing act, but the fact is not, it stands somewhat in the way that people

1660
02:29:32,930 --> 02:29:40,350
re-building their homes quickly and particularly maybe that's just something on the radar

1661
02:29:40,350 --> 02:29:46,850
that isn't inhood of a county, but if we just never fire inhood of a county, which, I guess,

1662
02:29:46,950 --> 02:29:58,110
when they asked, I mean, or maybe we're not. So, there was a specific situation in which

1663
02:29:58,110 --> 02:29:58,510
the

1664
02:30:00,340 --> 02:30:12,060
That someone has put an application to read that. And, friends of the Board sent in a response, which was tone

1665
02:30:12,060 --> 02:30:22,340
deaf in terms of the, the, it was listing in excruciating detail, the number of hoops that would

1666
02:30:22,340 --> 02:30:28,000
have to be jumped through to do this regularly. And it really was, oh, entirely unrelated to

1667
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:32,940
specific application that was made, it was simply, it seemed like it was a warning shot that,

1668
02:30:33,160 --> 02:30:43,740
hey, we're going to block rebuilding and shortly after that, the director, friends of the

1669
02:30:43,740 --> 02:30:53,380
Gorge, made a statement which was somewhat more conciliatory, but also ambiguous as to what

1670
02:30:53,380 --> 02:30:59,560
actually means. So I think there is some interesting politics going on here that we should

1671
02:30:59,560 --> 02:31:03,340
all start to pay attention to. Like you said, it doesn't.

1672
02:31:03,340 --> 02:31:07,800
Well that's why I brought it up. I wasn't going to go into the great detail of, yes.

1673
02:31:07,800 --> 02:31:11,660
It was a tone, yeah. Well, I, yes, I have it down here, tone deaf.

1674
02:31:11,960 --> 02:31:15,780
I just, I wasn't reading your notes. That was my, that was my analysis.

1675
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:17,620
I definitely read that. I was sure.

1676
02:31:18,100 --> 02:31:21,820
I needed to, but yes, it was tone deaf. For people that are having trouble

1677
02:31:21,820 --> 02:31:23,840
figuring out how they're going to be built.

1678
02:31:25,160 --> 02:31:28,000
So yes, so it's all on a radar, which is what I think it should be.

1679
02:31:28,740 --> 02:31:30,540
We're not in a position to do anything about it.

1680
02:31:30,540 --> 02:31:32,220
It's just something that we should know is happening.

1681
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:35,900
And I listened to what CREA meeting.

1682
02:31:37,540 --> 02:31:43,300
They always discuss the, all of the energy projects going on

1683
02:31:43,300 --> 02:31:44,780
in the Eastern Oregon counties.

1684
02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:49,100
You'll learn a little bit about going through the DLC process,

1685
02:31:49,100 --> 02:31:55,220
C.B. process versus the F.C. process. There was some discussion of microgits in Oregon

1686
02:31:55,220 --> 02:32:00,340
communities, but I think could remember already has some of those, we already have the

1687
02:32:00,340 --> 02:32:06,380
Y-1 and the Manhattan Town Hall-1. And so we're kind of ahead of curve on that. And

1688
02:32:06,380 --> 02:32:13,180
as usual, there's always a discussion of avoidant costs, which is that the people selling the

1689
02:32:13,180 --> 02:32:20,800
How are Eastern Oregon are frustrated by what they feel is a not a very transparent process

1690
02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:29,240
by which the investor or utilities are able to calculate the avoided costs which is what

1691
02:32:29,240 --> 02:32:30,920
they have to pay for the power.

1692
02:32:33,540 --> 02:32:36,660
So, they feel it's not fairly represented.

1693
02:32:37,320 --> 02:32:44,420
I think they think that the calculation process is not as transparent as it should be, and so

1694
02:32:45,060 --> 02:32:47,830
they suspect that it could be more.

1695
02:32:50,140 --> 02:32:58,460
Well, that it could be more because, and I do know from my experience on the millforeport, for instance,

1696
02:32:59,700 --> 02:33:04,740
and what's gone on with the microhydro is that in the beginning, which was many, many years ago,

1697
02:33:04,740 --> 02:33:06,240
that avoided cost was very high.

1698
02:33:06,380 --> 02:33:11,100
But as the price of power that's coming from alternative sources

1699
02:33:11,100 --> 02:33:13,780
has come down, that avoided cost has come down.

1700
02:33:14,660 --> 02:33:19,400
So it's a complicated, I have no expert on this.

1701
02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:21,200
It's just an interesting thing that we've

1702
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:22,380
learned at one of the next.

1703
02:33:25,080 --> 02:33:27,220
It's the emergency management meeting.

1704
02:33:27,420 --> 02:33:29,060
And in the group that I broke out into,

1705
02:33:29,220 --> 02:33:31,920
we talked about ways to get the information

1706
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:35,660
in the case of a backup on the bridge,

1707
02:33:36,060 --> 02:33:39,100
you know, what triggers the information going out

1708
02:33:39,100 --> 02:33:41,240
to the public and how soon can that happen?

1709
02:33:42,680 --> 02:33:43,800
And so if you're Christians in red,

1710
02:33:44,440 --> 02:33:48,840
but that discussion, quite skillfully.

1711
02:33:49,440 --> 02:33:50,920
So, thank you.

1712
02:33:51,880 --> 02:33:53,880
You said to ask me, if I'm sitting at my desk,

1713
02:33:54,020 --> 02:33:54,900
I can see the bridge.

1714
02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:56,680
I can see all the traffic on it.

1715
02:33:56,740 --> 02:33:57,620
I can make a phone call.

1716
02:33:58,140 --> 02:34:00,320
That wasn't brought up, but that's been brought up.

1717
02:34:02,660 --> 02:34:04,880
What was this, is he too busy?

1718
02:34:05,160 --> 02:34:05,600
What was he too busy?

1719
02:34:05,700 --> 02:34:06,200
What was he doing in my desk?

1720
02:34:07,060 --> 02:34:08,600
What, what, what, what would you turn to that?

1721
02:34:09,080 --> 02:34:11,080
And of course there's so many moving pieces.

1722
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:15,140
And it was a really good meaning, just like, I always think that.

1723
02:34:18,080 --> 02:34:19,320
And that's it.

1724
02:34:20,040 --> 02:34:20,880
I think that issue.

1725
02:34:21,700 --> 02:34:24,280
I look quickly at the email that Alson said.

1726
02:34:24,300 --> 02:34:25,740
And Sophie just reset it.

1727
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:26,800
Thank you.

1728
02:34:27,160 --> 02:34:29,320
Actually close my email as I was reading it.

1729
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:35,140
In that email, it doesn't actually say the days, there are four specific days and the route.

1730
02:34:35,780 --> 02:34:40,600
All it says that an email is win to RSTP, which is by the way Thursday.

1731
02:34:41,540 --> 02:34:43,180
She doesn't think when the date will be.

1732
02:34:43,720 --> 02:34:45,120
I can't find an email.

1733
02:34:45,980 --> 02:34:46,700
Am I missing something?

1734
02:34:47,060 --> 02:34:50,320
Anyway, I just wanted to throw that out because I looked at the email real quick.

1735
02:34:50,600 --> 02:34:52,800
As a reference, someone asked what the days were.

1736
02:34:53,580 --> 02:34:54,020
All right.

1737
02:34:55,990 --> 02:34:59,970
So I would take issue with the comment that you made this.

1738
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:06,140
We have no input into this, of course, commission issue.

1739
02:35:06,440 --> 02:35:14,100
Oh, I didn't mean that. Let me clarify it before. I didn't mean that we have no, we shouldn't have

1740
02:35:14,100 --> 02:35:20,040
an opinion what I meant was that this hasn't actually happened on our in our county yet. And so we should be

1741
02:35:20,040 --> 02:35:25,200
well aware that it's going on and that it is an issue because because it could happen in our

1742
02:35:26,660 --> 02:35:38,540
I think we should all just remember that we have a commissioner that we point and we are getting ready to appoint a

1743
02:35:38,540 --> 02:35:46,300
replacement commissioner and depending on the makeup and actions of the commission we made.

1744
02:35:46,300 --> 02:35:51,420
And I feel to do this at the last meeting, so I will, again, point out that we are looking for some.

1745
02:35:51,720 --> 02:35:53,180
We're looking for an outstanding meeting.

1746
02:35:54,060 --> 02:35:56,560
But we know that it's going to be an open meeting.

1747
02:35:56,620 --> 02:35:58,120
Right, but there is not.

1748
02:35:58,320 --> 02:36:00,840
No one could put in an application today, right?

1749
02:36:00,900 --> 02:36:02,380
No, but best checking.

1750
02:36:03,620 --> 02:36:04,620
People can move it.

1751
02:36:05,540 --> 02:36:07,980
If they will have an opportunity to certainly, and we would like to see that.

1752
02:36:08,220 --> 02:36:10,880
There will be a, uh, we have certainly mentioned.

1753
02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:12,220
If you see it up in the year.

1754
02:36:12,220 --> 02:36:19,360
And if anyone wants to, they can talk to you, they can talk to any of us about this in the immediate

1755
02:36:19,360 --> 02:36:23,600
future, but they want to be opportunity until we officially announce it.

1756
02:36:27,440 --> 02:36:35,560
All right, we're on to the consent agenda, and let's see, Terry, do you ever before we move off

1757
02:36:35,560 --> 02:36:45,560
side reports. The letter in regard to support of the federal's or the transportation bill.

1758
02:36:46,620 --> 02:36:53,800
The one from the meco. Yes. Do we have support of the board to sign off on that?

1759
02:36:53,920 --> 02:36:56,240
I think we do. Has everybody had a chance to see that?

1760
02:36:56,700 --> 02:36:58,700
Yeah. Okay. Does everyone support our doing it?

1761
02:36:58,880 --> 02:37:00,620
We depend on that program.

1762
02:37:01,160 --> 02:37:03,600
Okay. Yes. You have this. We have this.

1763
02:37:07,670 --> 02:37:12,490
And do we need a motion later in the business?

1764
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:15,170
I pick if this one.

1765
02:37:15,210 --> 02:37:15,870
That is a question.

1766
02:37:17,590 --> 02:37:18,130
All right.

1767
02:37:19,870 --> 02:37:23,670
So if there's anything else about the reports?

1768
02:37:24,750 --> 02:37:26,190
Then we're with the consent agenda.

1769
02:37:27,550 --> 02:37:30,310
And let's see, are some of the extra things on the consent agenda

1770
02:37:30,310 --> 02:37:32,310
or are we going to do the supplemental one separately?

1771
02:37:32,310 --> 02:37:32,990
And

1772
02:37:38,080 --> 02:37:40,460
why do of course, disappeared off my screen?

1773
02:37:41,980 --> 02:37:45,180
Is there anything on the supplemental agenda that we want to be?

1774
02:37:45,400 --> 02:37:47,260
Oh, these have been added to the consent agenda.

1775
02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:52,340
So this includes the four things, the grant opportunity,

1776
02:37:53,280 --> 02:37:55,220
because that was the one for one of the bridges.

1777
02:37:56,120 --> 02:38:01,280
And also the emergency management grant for the criminal justice behavior health

1778
02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:03,740
and the headboard of the Senate, which is a mandate.

1779
02:38:05,000 --> 02:38:11,900
So, those are added to it, and is there a motion to accept the consent agenda that can

1780
02:38:11,900 --> 02:38:14,220
include in the supplement?

1781
02:38:14,680 --> 02:38:17,460
I mean, to accept the consent agenda as amended.

1782
02:38:19,100 --> 02:38:19,860
Moved in second.

1783
02:38:20,260 --> 02:38:20,960
Is there any discussion?

1784
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:21,860
Yeah.

1785
02:38:21,900 --> 02:38:24,880
It's a one question, and Doug is still here.

1786
02:38:25,500 --> 02:38:29,020
I always thought that the timber sales were alphabetical, and you have two wires.

1787
02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:29,700
What happened?

1788
02:38:32,220 --> 02:38:36,200
Well, the sales were told in that year were all ours.

1789
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:38,800
Oh, so it's death, so it's alphabetical.

1790
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:43,720
I thought that through year went ABCDB.

1791
02:38:44,800 --> 02:38:47,260
You only have five, seven.

1792
02:38:48,840 --> 02:38:49,980
Larger sales, right here.

1793
02:38:50,520 --> 02:38:50,940
Thank you.

1794
02:38:51,080 --> 02:38:52,040
So what's this here?

1795
02:38:54,800 --> 02:38:56,340
We just completed the ours.

1796
02:38:56,340 --> 02:39:02,220
and so now we're doing the VSNs that are sold in the 2025.

1797
02:39:03,420 --> 02:39:08,520
We might get from now to the next summer, VSNs.

1798
02:39:09,100 --> 02:39:11,800
And does that matter on which side of them?

1799
02:39:12,680 --> 02:39:15,740
That there's different applications of that.

1800
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:17,560
It serves an institution.

1801
02:39:18,020 --> 02:39:20,680
I think they're meeting them.

1802
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:22,040
He has you really?

1803
02:39:22,460 --> 02:39:22,580
Yeah.

1804
02:39:24,260 --> 02:39:26,160
There's a lot to do with it.

1805
02:39:27,060 --> 02:39:28,080
So there's a motion.

1806
02:39:28,520 --> 02:39:29,180
Second on.

1807
02:39:30,700 --> 02:39:34,120
Is there a just a bit about how we made it?

1808
02:39:35,020 --> 02:39:37,120
What if I wonder if I don't want to do the sales?

1809
02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:41,380
I just need to have seen from letter i.

1810
02:39:41,480 --> 02:39:43,660
I was not here for the last meeting.

1811
02:39:45,180 --> 02:39:45,820
Oh, that is.

1812
02:39:45,880 --> 02:39:47,040
You can still vote on minutes.

1813
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:47,460
Okay.

1814
02:39:47,880 --> 02:39:47,980
There.

1815
02:39:48,840 --> 02:39:49,060
Yes.

1816
02:39:54,060 --> 02:39:57,720
because you're not a testing that you were there necessarily just that he was.

1817
02:40:01,740 --> 02:40:05,060
All right, motion ready. Yes.

1818
02:40:05,340 --> 02:40:06,100
Yes.

1819
02:40:07,480 --> 02:40:07,800
Yes.

1820
02:40:09,700 --> 02:40:10,720
Here was yes.

1821
02:40:11,160 --> 02:40:11,520
Motion masks.

1822
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:13,720
We've got the consentages.

1823
02:40:17,060 --> 02:40:18,940
So, let's see.

1824
02:40:19,300 --> 02:40:21,580
We have our own work session items.

1825
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:26,040
We need to accept.

1826
02:40:26,580 --> 02:40:31,380
We were asked to accept the county breach capital improvement plan.

1827
02:40:32,140 --> 02:40:39,860
And it sounded like we need a motion for adopting the bridge capital improvement plan.

1828
02:40:41,360 --> 02:40:43,440
Do we need, there were three things we were asked to do.

1829
02:40:43,560 --> 02:40:51,220
Do we need a motion for each of them, a period of grant funding, and a period of applying for grant funding,

1830
02:40:52,560 --> 02:40:57,180
and approving the public works, road funds, the money being transferred to capital improvement.

1831
02:40:58,040 --> 02:41:06,980
You just need the motion on approving the plan at this point that grant application was in your consent agenda and then the third item was just in general.

1832
02:41:07,320 --> 02:41:08,560
And we would like to continue that.

1833
02:41:08,700 --> 02:41:14,640
We would make a motion to adopt the county bridge condition and program plan that was presented tonight.

1834
02:41:16,320 --> 02:41:17,160
I think that motion.

1835
02:41:17,740 --> 02:41:18,360
It's been a second.

1836
02:41:18,760 --> 02:41:19,680
Is that really a discussion?

1837
02:41:22,140 --> 02:41:22,300
All right.

1838
02:41:22,420 --> 02:41:25,460
I would just like to thank you again for such great.

1839
02:41:25,460 --> 02:41:29,960
Can we somewhere ready? Yes. Can we stop at it? Yes.

1840
02:41:30,300 --> 02:41:39,620
Yes. Sure would yes. And the new business will be asking for a presentation from

1841
02:41:47,420 --> 02:41:52,020
So we are going to a process you had an item on your July agenda.

1842
02:41:53,080 --> 02:42:05,400
However, in order to take this process through the legal stuff, we needed to bring it back to you this evening, so that you would approve the resolution in your packet.

1843
02:42:05,400 --> 02:42:10,360
that would authorize the public force department to initiate the previous savings for the

1844
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:16,180
legalization of Evans Creek Drive and authorize these pictures and document.

1845
02:42:17,440 --> 02:42:20,540
Did you want to say any more on that or are you okay?

1846
02:42:21,360 --> 02:42:21,380
No.

1847
02:42:22,480 --> 02:42:29,580
I think we brought to you last month and we did the wrong process and so we're bringing it to you

1848
02:42:29,580 --> 02:42:30,080
again.

1849
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:39,980
So this will be brought to you a couple of times to make sure that we're fully going through the legislative or the statutory requirements.

1850
02:42:40,520 --> 02:42:44,180
And so you should be seeing this every month through November.

1851
02:42:45,980 --> 02:42:47,760
So, so we're prepared.

1852
02:42:48,820 --> 02:42:52,860
So it's a road just because it's not in the right place, correct?

1853
02:42:53,440 --> 02:42:54,920
So it's not where it says it is.

1854
02:42:56,020 --> 02:43:08,800
So it's in the right place, we just need to form lines to say it is, anytime there's federal funding that's involved, we have to verify the right way is where the right way is.

1855
02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:14,640
So it is in the right way, we're, I mean, it is, it is surveyed into the right way it's in the right place.

1856
02:43:15,620 --> 02:43:23,460
That is the process that we're going through to make sure that the survey and the documentation meant, where the actual road is.

1857
02:43:23,460 --> 02:43:30,140
Because obviously, is it ever counting we have a lot of ribs that are as traveled or different than the right ways?

1858
02:43:31,280 --> 02:43:32,420
But it moves the culverts.

1859
02:43:32,680 --> 02:43:34,560
We have to get it right.

1860
02:43:35,080 --> 02:43:35,120
Yes.

1861
02:43:35,400 --> 02:43:39,060
Because that culvert is paid for with federal funds.

1862
02:43:39,380 --> 02:43:45,300
So I would just like to make a note that I feel like not necessarily in your behalf,

1863
02:43:45,560 --> 02:43:52,000
but on the plannings to be half, when we're looking at a lot of these houses that are going in,

1864
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:58,340
that somebody is looking at the Azroad traveled versus the right away.

1865
02:43:59,320 --> 02:44:06,960
I know of different locations that houses are going to be put in an Azroad traveled

1866
02:44:06,960 --> 02:44:13,880
if the road was ever extended, but they fit within the outlay of the right away.

1867
02:44:15,360 --> 02:44:21,300
But if you were to drive the road versus the survey, it is very different.

1868
02:44:21,300 --> 02:44:31,800
There's someone who goes to planning with the proposal to put a structure in a right of way in a planet, in a right of way that he's just on a map.

1869
02:44:31,980 --> 02:44:33,940
It doesn't always match the road.

1870
02:44:34,280 --> 02:44:35,940
No, but in front of my house, it doesn't.

1871
02:44:36,200 --> 02:44:37,800
I know that this is a very common thing.

1872
02:44:38,040 --> 02:44:39,560
And it causes a lot of conflicts.

1873
02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:47,240
You know what we're doing here is we're putting the official right of way where the road is.

1874
02:44:48,560 --> 02:44:59,980
I'm just making a note that I'm just making a note that I know for sure that there's a lot of roads not in the right places and houses are being built where that as road travel.

1875
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:03,740
If it was continued, we'd go right to the middle of that.

1876
02:45:04,220 --> 02:45:16,140
We ever take an action, I can't say we've never done it, but we're not going to say move the road to match the map.

1877
02:45:16,700 --> 02:45:17,340
No, right.

1878
02:45:17,560 --> 02:45:20,420
So I think that's a separate issue.

1879
02:45:20,420 --> 02:45:36,300
yet to a road legalization process takes time, and yes, having the road not where it says it's going to be, or where it says it is, causes conflict.

1880
02:45:38,820 --> 02:45:42,480
I don't know if we can do it during the planning process.

1881
02:45:45,440 --> 02:46:00,880
or constituents can request a legalization process through you guys, and that's kind of the normal process is somebody would come and say, hey, I want my road legalized, and then you would tell public works to do this work.

1882
02:46:02,200 --> 02:46:05,880
It's generally not the case where we have a road project.

1883
02:46:06,340 --> 02:46:09,320
Hopefully, we already have the right way when we're doing a road project.

1884
02:46:10,780 --> 02:46:15,910
But we've had roads that we've had to legalize, A.G.A. was one of those.

1885
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:21,340
Do you know, post-canion road, we initiated a legalization process on that.

1886
02:46:21,460 --> 02:46:22,090
Do you know where that is?

1887
02:46:22,760 --> 02:46:23,260
On going.

1888
02:46:24,900 --> 02:46:26,540
Any, I mean, it was two, three years ago.

1889
02:46:26,780 --> 02:46:27,320
Any guess?

1890
02:46:28,120 --> 02:46:28,320
Yeah.

1891
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:32,200
We also have a one on Neil Creek.

1892
02:46:32,440 --> 02:46:33,120
Right, remember that one?

1893
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:34,340
Are we still working on that one?

1894
02:46:35,240 --> 02:46:38,320
Go, and it takes years, but I just...

1895
02:46:39,140 --> 02:46:42,320
Not if it's an A, but of just some appreciation for...

1896
02:46:43,220 --> 02:46:45,360
Is anyone working out, or is it just have to sit for certain?

1897
02:46:45,840 --> 02:46:47,740
Is it required to cook for certain amount of time,

1898
02:46:48,220 --> 02:46:50,600
or what the weighting on it, that was would be helpful?

1899
02:46:51,000 --> 02:46:53,500
Yeah, so this one in particular,

1900
02:46:54,680 --> 02:46:57,140
it's been put in because of the ODOT products.

1901
02:46:57,680 --> 02:47:10,640
It also has, I think, MFID work that's happening in conjunction with that and so the property owners are really supportive of this change.

1902
02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:18,340
Any time that a property owner has a consternation about where the road is, it just drags out the process.

1903
02:47:18,340 --> 02:47:31,280
So I know that those candid road may have some challenges with the property owners adjacent and so we want to make sure that we have everything in place.

1904
02:47:31,580 --> 02:47:36,340
We also didn't have surveying so we had to contract that out.

1905
02:47:37,180 --> 02:47:44,760
You know, great, uh, luckily wasco County hired a deputy, surveyor, surveying tech, and so

1906
02:47:44,760 --> 02:47:48,500
they were helping with that process, so that's going to be brought in house.

1907
02:47:49,040 --> 02:47:53,220
We think that one's going to be easier, it's still going to take some time.

1908
02:47:53,860 --> 02:47:56,420
But this one's going to be quite a window, right?

1909
02:47:57,060 --> 02:48:01,380
But this one's going a lot smoother, because the property owners are all supportive

1910
02:48:01,380 --> 02:48:06,320
of this project, they've all been contacted by ODOT, ODOT's really leading the

1911
02:48:06,320 --> 02:48:15,200
The survey, we have a great surveyer that's doing the work, our surveyer, let's give us a sign off on that pre-position, so.

1912
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:16,120
Right?

1913
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:19,980
So, let's say, do we have a motion note?

1914
02:48:22,200 --> 02:48:23,780
No, we don't have a motion yet.

1915
02:48:24,280 --> 02:48:31,840
We need a motion to approve the resolution authorizing the public works department to initiate proceedings for the legalization of evidence-free,

1916
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:35,600
driving commissioners to sign the document.

1917
02:48:36,500 --> 02:48:37,300
That's the motion.

1918
02:48:40,760 --> 02:48:42,320
Who's this route is this?

1919
02:48:42,420 --> 02:48:43,100
It's fine.

1920
02:48:43,580 --> 02:48:49,300
I moved to go through the resolution authorizing the public works department to initiate proceedings for

1921
02:48:50,000 --> 02:48:52,510
the legalization of Evans Creek Drive.

1922
02:48:57,110 --> 02:48:57,330
Oh, God.

1923
02:48:57,690 --> 02:49:00,410
If you're authorizing the commissioners to sign the document.

1924
02:49:01,950 --> 02:49:02,710
I'll second the motion.

1925
02:49:03,330 --> 02:49:04,030
I moved in second.

1926
02:49:04,270 --> 02:49:05,390
Is there any more discussion?

1927
02:49:07,870 --> 02:49:08,510
Yes.

1928
02:49:08,510 --> 02:49:08,970
Mr. Babitz.

1929
02:49:10,050 --> 02:49:10,290
Yes.

1930
02:49:10,870 --> 02:49:11,390
Mr. Monson.

1931
02:49:12,130 --> 02:49:12,290
Sure.

1932
02:49:12,390 --> 02:49:12,610
Yes.

1933
02:49:13,850 --> 02:49:14,030
Right.

1934
02:49:14,350 --> 02:49:20,630
And with that, we are now going to enter into...

1935
02:49:20,630 --> 02:49:21,410
Is there anything else?

1936
02:49:21,570 --> 02:49:22,390
People we...

1937
02:49:24,330 --> 02:49:27,330
We will enter into executive session.

1938
02:49:28,030 --> 02:49:31,390
We're soon into RS192602E.

1939
02:49:31,390 --> 02:49:35,990
E, two conduct deliberations that negotiate real property transactions.

1940
02:49:36,810 --> 02:49:40,670
Once the executive session is complete, the board will come back in the regular session

1941
02:49:40,670 --> 02:49:41,790
to adjourn the meeting.

1942
02:49:44,810 --> 02:49:49,930
So, before we go into, and, as you've done it yet, is there a question?

1943
02:49:50,350 --> 02:49:52,910
Have we paused, then?

1944
02:49:53,150 --> 02:49:54,190
Do you want this one to go through?

1945
02:49:54,270 --> 02:49:54,710
Yes.

1946
02:49:55,130 --> 02:49:55,210
Okay.

1947
02:49:56,830 --> 02:49:59,970
So, well, it seems unusual, is that in this case, there's a-

1948
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:09,020
The title to the transaction is, that is unusual and, okay,

1949
02:50:14,640 --> 02:50:16,160
recording stopped.

1950
02:50:18,210 --> 02:50:24,490
Okay, so only the Board of Commission staff and media.

1951
02:50:25,670 --> 02:50:28,610
Are you the media?

1952
02:50:29,130 --> 02:50:29,570
I am the media.

1953
02:50:30,250 --> 02:50:31,850
I need to turn the point of your word.

1954
02:50:32,590 --> 02:50:34,410
Can you give us a meeting last time?

1955
02:50:34,410 --> 02:50:36,470
Yeah, I think I take me over here.

1956
02:50:37,050 --> 02:50:37,230
Yeah, yeah.

1957
02:50:37,470 --> 02:50:37,910
Aziza.

1958
02:50:39,470 --> 02:50:39,730
Okay.

1959
02:50:53,200 --> 02:50:53,640
Take.

1960
02:50:55,140 --> 02:50:55,320
Oh.

1961
02:50:57,680 --> 02:50:59,400
You got a sort of safety in my cable there.

1962
02:51:00,880 --> 02:51:03,420
So if you were to the other end of this, go.

1963
02:51:04,120 --> 02:51:05,240
First time seeing the case.

1964
02:51:05,460 --> 02:51:06,540
Yeah, I've never seen anyone.

1965
02:51:11,500 --> 02:51:12,300
Oh, the bottom.

1966
02:51:15,180 --> 02:51:16,080
Some of this side.

1967
02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:20,560
She's gone.

1968
02:51:23,690 --> 02:51:24,970
I think I could have reached that.

1969
02:51:34,810 --> 02:51:38,010
You mean there's technology better than this?

1970
02:51:38,010 --> 02:51:38,810
It's engineering.

1971
02:51:40,490 --> 02:51:42,970
It probably was 15 years ago.

1972
02:51:43,890 --> 02:51:48,950
I've got some HDMI switchers in my lab box that...

1973
02:51:48,950 --> 02:51:50,030
You really have a museum?

1974
02:51:50,610 --> 02:51:51,430
That was going to be too easy.

1975
02:51:58,960 --> 02:51:59,480
But

1976
02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:14,620
we have a minute for that to decide to put it all down.

1977
02:52:17,820 --> 02:52:19,820
There's kind of a little backport box sitting there.

1978
02:52:20,020 --> 02:52:22,820
Sometimes it would show and then other times I wouldn't.

1979
02:52:23,340 --> 02:52:26,100
So I don't have figured out why.

1980
02:52:27,580 --> 02:52:28,260
We'll give it to you.

1981
02:52:28,740 --> 02:52:30,520
I was going to show this at the end of the evening.

1982
02:52:33,400 --> 02:52:37,200
Well, thanks again for letting me bring this to you.

1983
02:52:37,460 --> 02:52:39,380
It's a green energy project.

1984
02:52:42,120 --> 02:52:46,380
We've had a few of these over the years, proposals one way or another,

1985
02:52:48,700 --> 02:52:49,400
but I'm going to

1986
02:52:49,400 --> 02:52:53,600
end this with a question for you.

1987
02:52:54,480 --> 02:52:59,100
You have the appetite for this type of energy project and is it worth it?

1988
02:52:59,320 --> 02:53:07,440
It's worth it, and it's pretty early on in some of the discussions that I've had so far.

1989
02:53:07,440 --> 02:53:08,480
So a little background.

1990
02:53:09,580 --> 02:53:12,480
Twin Creek's Timber managed by Green Diamond has been

1991
02:53:12,480 --> 02:53:15,020
scoping out a Winwheel project on East Side of

1992
02:53:15,020 --> 02:53:15,760
the other county.

1993
02:53:16,320 --> 02:53:18,220
They got a window that while working with them

1994
02:53:18,220 --> 02:53:19,920
on a land exchange project.

1995
02:53:20,980 --> 02:53:23,440
Green Diamond hired a Winwheel Energy Consultant

1996
02:53:23,440 --> 02:53:25,840
Project Management Company to further scope out

1997
02:53:25,840 --> 02:53:27,220
and study needs for the project.

1998
02:53:27,420 --> 02:53:30,800
And as part of their work, Jeff Coons was Scout Clean

1999
02:53:30,800 --> 02:53:33,160
Energy reached out to me to discuss potential

2000
02:53:33,160 --> 02:53:36,660
easements across the county, which may be needed for their project

2001
02:53:36,660 --> 02:53:39,760
and the access to big ed if I want to kill our airlines,

2002
02:53:40,680 --> 02:53:45,180
which goes through some of our property specifically on the east side.

2003
02:53:46,100 --> 02:53:48,620
I think they might be able to access the lines without us,

2004
02:53:48,860 --> 02:53:50,800
potentially, however there must be some efficiency

2005
02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:53,120
to get through the trouble to come across the county.

2006
02:53:54,400 --> 02:53:57,840
Knowing the county, you had looked at windmills

2007
02:53:57,840 --> 02:54:00,080
on the middle mountain in the distant past.

2008
02:54:00,980 --> 02:54:03,980
I asked Jeff if wind turbines could be cited on the county

2009
02:54:03,980 --> 02:54:08,640
as part of their project on the East side and he expressed interest in that.

2010
02:54:09,520 --> 02:54:14,060
He followed up with a list of county parcels in the vicinity of the Green Diamond Project

2011
02:54:14,060 --> 02:54:16,860
that he eventually would have interested in.

2012
02:54:17,700 --> 02:54:19,020
So he is who?

2013
02:54:19,020 --> 02:54:20,900
Jeff Tunes is with Clean Energy.

2014
02:54:21,780 --> 02:54:23,200
Or Scout Clean Energy, sorry.

2015
02:54:23,400 --> 02:54:26,000
Who was contracted by Green Diamond?

2016
02:54:26,860 --> 02:54:27,080
Thanks.

2017
02:54:31,280 --> 02:54:42,080
So, this is all conceptual, at least from my desk right now, at this point, but it will give us an idea of where this is going, and I'll show them out in a few minutes if it ever comes up.

2018
02:54:43,120 --> 02:54:55,140
I checked with Eric Walker, and there's nothing that outright prohibits a developer on private property to develop a one-meal farm in the county at this time, but there are limitations,

2019
02:54:55,140 --> 02:54:59,980
and there's definitely going to be a permitting process in the multiple process.

2020
02:55:02,230 --> 02:55:08,290
There are limitations, also might provide a little bit on that as well here in a minute.

2021
02:55:10,350 --> 02:55:18,330
But all that said, this could be a revenue opportunity and coexist with our tree farm from where I see.

2022
02:55:20,630 --> 02:55:27,330
There's a couple of options going forward, well maybe three, at least don't do many of it, is one.

2023
02:55:27,330 --> 02:55:30,130
But also we could just allow some easements.

2024
02:55:30,990 --> 02:55:34,810
There would be no, there would be minimal revenue to the county, just for the easements

2025
02:55:34,810 --> 02:55:35,330
themselves.

2026
02:55:35,630 --> 02:55:40,750
And the windmills could still go in and be visible and make great opposition that the

2027
02:55:40,750 --> 02:55:45,650
county will probably be involved in, because we may have been involved in easements.

2028
02:55:46,530 --> 02:55:51,190
Or too, if we were to include windmills on county forest as part of this project, at least

2029
02:55:51,190 --> 02:55:54,290
the county could realize a financial windfall.

2030
02:55:59,250 --> 02:56:02,810
There's plenty of pros and cons to wind those out there.

2031
02:56:03,090 --> 02:56:05,770
Green energy, some people like that, a lot.

2032
02:56:06,490 --> 02:56:07,970
And it would be proponents of it.

2033
02:56:07,970 --> 02:56:09,910
But there's also plenty of cons out there.

2034
02:56:10,010 --> 02:56:12,830
And it didn't take me long at all, just searching online.

2035
02:56:13,390 --> 02:56:16,290
There've been some documentaries out there that are somewhat interesting.

2036
02:56:16,490 --> 02:56:19,270
To me, actually, sent one to Allison.

2037
02:56:21,090 --> 02:56:27,050
And, you know, from around the world really, where people just tend to be opposed to wind energy products.

2038
02:56:28,650 --> 02:56:34,290
So, I think, and there's multiple reasons for it, and we can get into that in the future,

2039
02:56:35,990 --> 02:56:37,930
but it gives me pause.

2040
02:56:38,250 --> 02:56:41,370
I know that the county had had winds before.

2041
02:56:45,310 --> 02:56:54,710
And you know, if we participate in the project, certainly, there's permitting constraints or constraints that we would put on on our part, too.

2042
02:56:54,990 --> 02:57:00,270
I can anticipate that there's a limit to how close to the valley, for example, the county would cite turbines.

2043
02:57:01,230 --> 02:57:04,330
Tolerance for this varies depending on who you talk to.

2044
02:57:05,290 --> 02:57:11,410
But I would recommend we have some sensitivity to where we would pursue it if we did.

2045
02:57:12,390 --> 02:57:16,790
Given the county's need for increased revenue sources, I thought we need to have this conversation.

2046
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:24,690
To continue the conversation, there certainly is going to need to be a lot more research and a lot more questions that need to be answered.

2047
02:57:27,210 --> 02:57:34,810
But at a high level, I want to run this by you to see how you feel about this and is it worth it?

2048
02:57:35,810 --> 02:57:37,870
Do you want to go there or not?

2049
02:57:37,990 --> 02:57:38,830
It's going to take effort.

2050
02:57:39,790 --> 02:57:41,630
From my desk, it's going to take effort.

2051
02:57:41,930 --> 02:57:45,270
I can probably give you the effect of your own needs.

2052
02:57:45,270 --> 02:57:52,790
And he's an idea of what, I mean, understanding what the, what the financial piece could be.

2053
02:57:52,970 --> 02:57:53,610
I mean, obviously,

2054
02:57:55,730 --> 02:58:01,290
you can't stand it down, but I think understand it down a little bit.

2055
02:58:01,350 --> 02:58:06,790
Get you to the next point, which is, is it worth a, it's worth all those other things?

2056
02:58:06,790 --> 02:58:16,510
So long as lines, how many, the county putting it on land is something people could object to.

2057
02:58:17,890 --> 02:58:24,110
If a private company wants to put it on land, does the private, does a public objection count?

2058
02:58:25,410 --> 02:58:28,430
And then the other question, I have two or three other questions.

2059
02:58:29,150 --> 02:58:34,510
First of all, how many wind turbines are we talking about?

2060
02:58:34,510 --> 02:58:44,110
And how many acres it takes up right and I called Joe de Bolcus who's the guy, he's the

2061
02:58:44,110 --> 02:58:49,710
commissioner for a Sherman County who has them both on his land and he's also a commissioner.

2062
02:58:50,430 --> 02:59:01,650
So do you know enough to explain us if this would be similar to the money, the money that comes back to the county

2063
02:59:02,950 --> 02:59:06,610
through the supergrainments, the special infrastructure.

2064
02:59:06,670 --> 02:59:08,070
I can't speak to that yet.

2065
02:59:09,210 --> 02:59:10,890
So if that's part of where the money is.

2066
02:59:11,650 --> 02:59:17,050
It's not just from the, but then if they, we put it on Harry land,

2067
02:59:17,970 --> 02:59:22,110
people could object, but can, it doesn't matter if they object on the private land.

2068
02:59:23,570 --> 02:59:25,710
You know, that would have to go through the land use processes.

2069
02:59:26,330 --> 02:59:27,750
Those avenues would be there.

2070
02:59:28,070 --> 02:59:31,350
And I understand that there's two options depending on the size

2071
02:59:31,350 --> 02:59:38,510
of the project. So there's DLCD, a land-use system, and then there's F-sac, if it's bigger, right?

2072
02:59:38,710 --> 02:59:43,350
The smaller ones that can go through DLCD, and if it's a service size, it has to go through F-sac, I think.

2073
02:59:43,730 --> 02:59:51,670
Yeah, there's a variety of things. We haven't been through it. I talked earlier to Eric, walked her a little bit earlier today, just briefly.

2074
02:59:53,370 --> 02:59:58,350
And he kind of indicated, now we're going to have to work through this, because we haven't had a bunch of these to go through it.

2075
02:59:58,350 --> 02:59:59,970
He's not familiar with that.

2076
03:00:01,390 --> 03:00:04,930
So, most of those questions I'm, I can't answer,

2077
03:00:07,030 --> 03:00:11,310
I listen, you talked to Eric, and there was a limitation on F2.

2078
03:00:14,590 --> 03:00:26,550
He, I was just asking about the permitting process. Obviously, this is one of those areas where there's some learning to do, but he stated that depending on its size,

2079
03:00:26,550 --> 03:00:43,270
when energy facility could have be applied for either through F-Stack or through the county's regular CUP process and their advantages and disadvantages to each process, so we would need to lay that out in its depends on the size, location timing, public supporter opposition.

2080
03:00:44,550 --> 03:00:53,370
If the facility had the capacity to generate more than a hundred and four megawatts of energy, then he believes that would have to go through F-Stack.

2081
03:00:53,370 --> 03:00:57,830
100 or four. He said, but that's a pretty large facility.

2082
03:00:59,030 --> 03:00:59,030
Yeah.

2083
03:01:01,170 --> 03:01:07,930
He provided a guide, which we can share in regards to the facility

2084
03:01:07,930 --> 03:01:16,690
siding process through FSA. And then he, he said, if a CUP was proposed, the

2085
03:01:16,690 --> 03:01:21,530
proposed facility would be limited to 10 acres or a less, unless otherwise

2086
03:01:21,530 --> 03:01:24,750
allowed by a goal exception, which he said would be very difficult.

2087
03:01:24,970 --> 03:01:29,070
So ten acres, for the whole thing, or per turban.

2088
03:01:30,650 --> 03:01:35,470
Yeah, the, he just stated the proposed facility would be limited to ten acres.

2089
03:01:35,790 --> 03:01:38,370
And so obviously, I am not sure.

2090
03:01:38,750 --> 03:01:43,510
And do they imagine that, are they imagine that this is close to where the,

2091
03:01:43,510 --> 03:01:48,310
whether the gate goes over, and that you can hook up more easily, because the closer to,

2092
03:01:48,310 --> 03:01:51,070
And can you actually do that hook up to the...

2093
03:01:51,070 --> 03:01:53,470
Apparently they put it in a transfer station.

2094
03:01:54,690 --> 03:01:56,890
And I know we actually went through that.

2095
03:01:57,150 --> 03:02:00,150
There were supposedly years ago for a solar energy project.

2096
03:02:00,390 --> 03:02:01,430
It was quite large.

2097
03:02:02,970 --> 03:02:05,110
It was like seven hundred acres or something like six or seven hundred acres.

2098
03:02:05,110 --> 03:02:05,690
There's something like six or seven hundred acres.

2099
03:02:06,570 --> 03:02:12,270
The solar farm on near on the property that you wanted to do it on our property.

2100
03:02:13,730 --> 03:02:21,630
up there, the top of Pinemont, I'm on the drive, up on top, there are some kind of east of

2101
03:02:21,630 --> 03:02:27,910
Parkdale adjacent to that. We have a 1,500 acres there, and they wanted to put a solar

2102
03:02:27,910 --> 03:02:33,190
farm in there for the express purpose of, because they could put in a transfer station right

2103
03:02:33,190 --> 03:02:39,670
adjacent to the big eddy and connect into that. So I presume there's an advantage to the

2104
03:02:39,670 --> 03:02:45,230
One mail is being the same thing, being a transfer station, being able to hook in to that part of the grid.

2105
03:02:45,610 --> 03:02:49,050
Are these, would they be above the foresters this on open land?

2106
03:02:51,350 --> 03:02:53,210
So it wouldn't be on the forest service.

2107
03:02:53,890 --> 03:02:58,430
No, I mean, if it were on the county land, would it be on the forested land or do we have open land?

2108
03:02:58,610 --> 03:03:01,170
We pretty much have forested land in that area.

2109
03:03:01,190 --> 03:03:02,710
And we have to log to do it.

2110
03:03:02,910 --> 03:03:04,870
We would have to have areas clear now.

2111
03:03:04,870 --> 03:03:15,670
I don't have a numbers on that, and he didn't, I asked him about that already, and he didn't have the actual number of atomic area would have to be cleared around the base of the tournament.

2112
03:03:16,710 --> 03:03:24,930
It could be as little as a half acre, or it could be several acres for each turn, and I just don't have those clearance needs.

2113
03:03:24,930 --> 03:03:31,550
For the, he mentioned a number of our belief, a total height of 200 meters.

2114
03:03:32,610 --> 03:03:40,050
He talked about three and a half megawatts per term, and those are kind of estimated starting points at this point.

2115
03:03:40,450 --> 03:03:42,070
That's some numbers he threw out.

2116
03:03:42,270 --> 03:03:46,010
Most of what they're doing, I don't have particular on yet.

2117
03:03:46,410 --> 03:03:50,110
Really very early in the conversation, but again,

2118
03:03:53,600 --> 03:03:56,120
I just felt I need to get in front of you a little bit.

2119
03:03:56,120 --> 03:03:59,580
It's hard to allow you to start thinking about it, too.

2120
03:03:59,840 --> 03:04:03,800
It's hard to know if you don't have any clue at all about what the numbers are.

2121
03:04:04,200 --> 03:04:07,740
And so at risk of misleading everybody,

2122
03:04:08,000 --> 03:04:18,040
I will say that I did ask what the payment is and in one situation they're negotiating.

2123
03:04:18,420 --> 03:04:19,940
Well, I'm not even sure if it was Joe.

2124
03:04:20,080 --> 03:04:21,500
It's really nice.

2125
03:04:22,100 --> 03:04:24,720
It's for, so there's two ways they do it.

2126
03:04:24,720 --> 03:04:30,540
And this is over there, and this is all in private land, it's obviously not on public land.

2127
03:04:30,680 --> 03:04:38,780
And there was a 4.3 megawatt that would generate 21,000 a year, but that was, that's no

2128
03:04:38,780 --> 03:04:39,160
risk.

2129
03:04:39,320 --> 03:04:45,800
There's other ways that they do it where they pay you per megawatt because they may or

2130
03:04:45,800 --> 03:04:47,720
may not actually reach the 4.3.

2131
03:04:51,140 --> 03:04:59,980
So it was 21,000 for, but this is a number that's only for this room, it means nothing, it's just a number so that

2132
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:06,600
Because otherwise, it's like, is it $5,000? Is it $50,000? I mean, it sounds like it's something like that.

2133
03:05:07,060 --> 03:05:09,520
And that would be, and you said this one is through five.

2134
03:05:10,380 --> 03:05:14,220
Yeah, so I have no idea what it would be in two years, maybe they'll be a wall.

2135
03:05:14,580 --> 03:05:18,120
I didn't proceed with question here. So we're in an executive session.

2136
03:05:19,920 --> 03:05:26,160
I did not tell him that we were doing this. I said, I mean, I didn't tell you that we were,

2137
03:05:26,700 --> 03:05:28,420
That's not my problem.

2138
03:05:29,320 --> 03:05:33,360
So, when is the intersection because there's a request for an easement?

2139
03:05:33,600 --> 03:05:35,120
We're leaving an end or lease.

2140
03:05:38,060 --> 03:05:42,840
And so that's obviously a land transaction, which we get to talk about in a second session.

2141
03:05:43,400 --> 03:05:54,200
But I suspect from the questions that are being asked that all of us, this is the sort of thing that would benefit from public discussion

2142
03:05:54,200 --> 03:06:02,000
to understand what the appetite of our community is for this thing, and as I'm trying

2143
03:06:02,000 --> 03:06:06,860
to understand how we get from something which we have to talk about in an executive

2144
03:06:06,860 --> 03:06:12,740
session to something which we can talk about in public sessions, so we can measure the

2145
03:06:12,740 --> 03:06:16,720
temperature of the community and it will all depend on specifics, and I don't know what

2146
03:06:16,720 --> 03:06:21,600
agreement you have with them about disclosure and underscores, so, but there's a question

2147
03:06:21,600 --> 03:06:30,040
And I think that he brought up was, do we have the appetite for bringing such a thing in public?