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How are you?

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» Don't break it open.

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» All right. Call our work meeting to
order for the city planning commission

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on August 13th, 2026.
First

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items of business.
Um, do we have a volunteer for the

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pledge for?

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» Anybody want to pray?
>> Hi.

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» We're gonna have Travis do it one time.
Remember, he's going to give us one. He

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said
>> we're just going to regret a pack of

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lunch.
>> Pack of lunch.

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Paul

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like you can do it next time if you want
or you can do it. Um minutes from

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previous meeting any corrections that
you guys saw

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» the main

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then we'll kind of go through
that first one was kind of what was we

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asked him to come back with for the
on family and group home

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stuff. I thought those worked pretty
good.

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» Yeah.
>> To send out to

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anything else that
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» needed to.
>> So, we should be able to motion that

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one.
>> Yep.

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» Correct.
Um and then this conditional use

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and you said we're good on that one to
take the public hearing.

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» Well, that's funny. So, I was I was
talking with Bryce about that the other

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day. Bill's like a fourth cousin of
mine. I guess He's like he's if I had to

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do that I wouldn't be able to vote on
anything couldn't be here.

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[clears throat]

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» And these next ones all might be
discussion only items but we can

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kind of go through them.
>> Yeah.

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» Um any concerns on
I'll just go around when go down through

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and kind of list concerns or issues that
you see with each one. So, let's start

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there with first on Bridger Smith. This
is just up the road.

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» So, that's the one. So, when you look at
I'm confused what they're trying to do

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here because that property is owned by
Mike Schultz.

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» I believe I believe Bridger
>> is the son-in-law.

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» Son-in-law.
>> His daughter lives in the house

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» farthest to the west. He shouldn't be
the one asking for question.

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» I thought it's got to be the property
owner. But then I thought, okay, when my

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kid
came to subdivide the one lot

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subdivision from grandpa, he's the one
that presented it. Grandpa never showed

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up. Same as my daughter. So,
but the other house that there's two

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houses there now.
>> Mhm.

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» And the first one's not even does he
want them to do two lots?

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» You want me to scoot over? You can a big
boy chair. We can go around.

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» No, you're good. You're good.
>> Thanksgiving table.

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» My other question is
>> let's say he let's say he gets the

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resone. Is he
>> is he willing to I'm assuming right now

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Schultz has it in green belt.
>> He he takes that out. He's got to pay

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five years of roll back taxes. Is he
prepared to pay?

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» We'll just be that house
>> just for the halfacre roll back, right?

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Not the 13,
>> right? Well, then he has to apply to put

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the remaining back in Greenville.
>> Y,

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» but there's two homes there. So, is he
doing two lots?

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» Are both of them a part of the same
property?

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» I think it's just the one.
>> I think they're separate. I think

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» the one the one has an existing parcel.
>> Okay. So, I think it's just the one

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that's
>> I didn't see that.

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» Where am I?
>> Where are

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the You are here.
>> Yeah, right there. So each

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» the 5271 it's already exist in
>> partial 5271

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» get it.
>> She's aggressive with her zooms.

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» That's a nice house across the street.
>> Is that where you're at?

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» Oh.
>> So he's wanting to he's wanting to do

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the one acre there
>> basically split off that one.

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» And I mean the idea makes sense to make
it so it's done partially can sell it.

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» Yeah. And so he's only asking for the re
the halfacres on that one parcel, right?

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Not the whole thing.
>> So how big's half acre on the house and

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then the 13 stasis because it's 13.45
right now. So 12.95 and then halfacre

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» parcel. Yeah. The more parcel info tell
us how big.

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» 13.95.
>> 1395. So it' be 1345 remaining.

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» Yeah. 1345.
>> So that now hit the property

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characteristics. Go to
Do you want this one or?

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» No, I want the small per second.
>> Oh, that one.

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» Yeah, I just want the small one for a
second.

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» And property more partial info and then
property characteristics

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» or the P. Yeah. Or the PDF.
>> So the one that he's trying to break off

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is break off by half.
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» Right now for an acre right here, right?
>> The houses next to him is acres. 5321's

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an acre.
>> I wonder how they got that little one

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approved for a third of an acre,
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» It was probably there
to be there before 2000 when we became a

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city.

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» And the future land use also is more 3/4
acres here, isn't it?

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» Is that our R2?

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» Oh, the R2 is the orange is what you're
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» Yes.

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That's in R1.
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» He's supposed to be one.
He wants to go half.

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» You're thinking. So tell us.
>> Well, I I don't even think it's a

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discussion. I I think it still needs to
be one property owner applying. I I get

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it. might be a son of a but what
>> do they sign? Is there something they

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can sign
>> representative of so and so all the time

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coming in here and present
>> what what is the I don't know what the

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rule is but we that happens
>> like I say my my kids

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» well because I guess even if we approve
it they can't record it without the

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right people
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else.
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So, do we ha okay if he wants a reszone,
does that mean we have to open the

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general plan or can we
can we recommend a reason without open

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general plan
>> if he's going to half instead of one?

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» Yeah. Well, especially because I think
if it matched the future line use map

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probably easy thing, but since it it
doesn't match, I think you'd have to

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change the future line use map.
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So to make it easy on himself, he should
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» otherwise he's going to have to really
fight

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» or go to 3/4
>> or go to 3/4.

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» So I think that's
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[clears throat]
>> Yeah. Do that cute little thing again.

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You did.
>> Well, that's the current zone here.

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Bring up the future,

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» right? That's a great website.
>> Got you.

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» I didn't think to play with the overlays
like that. I'm not that smart.

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» I didn't even know that was there.
>> I used that

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the green line or the purple.
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» So, yeah. Even the future map doesn't
account for what do you want?

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» Still want.

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» So, in my mind, I can see you 3/4 an
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» Yeah.
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Unless they want to
>> Well, I don't know if he's on it to

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» unless he sells it eventually ownership.
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» If Mike Schulz remains on the
agricultural portion,

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» I think a question we have for Nick is
first, does the applicant have to be the

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owner or does that even matter?
>> Either way, we are not taking any action

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on this today anyways.
>> Well, the question I have Well, sorry.

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When we have when we've had other people
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still the owner that's on the paperwork
>> or has to have like a application

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» so even if somebody comes in as a
representative, it still be listed. You

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know, Travis is the applicant, his son
came in as the spokesperson.

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» Yes.

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» I think I think there's paperwork
where I mean the same thing this terra

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one where they don't necessarily own all
the property they're doing.

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» They still go to the original property
owners they get something signed from

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them saying they can represent that.
>> So I think so that's what this guy

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should have done.
>> Yeah.

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» The other question I have is if they
peel it off did they have to make

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improvements because it's a splitting it
into a subdivision of a lot like mine

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was a 10acre lot and I split it into two
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of my law.
>> That's true. including putting $31,896

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into an escro for
>> that's a source.

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» It never happened because you don't own
some of the land.

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» I really really love it.
>> Wait, how much was it again?

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» I [laughter] know.
>> $31,966.

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» Okay.
>> What's

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» But that's another thing that he may not
understand is does he need to do

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improvements off of a subdivision? If he
were to subdivide, yes,

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» he he's going to make he's going to make
a one lot subdivision. He does that.

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» You're fine. Right.
>> No, that's all I

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» It's minor, but he still got to do
escrow and all the

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» He still has to do all the improvements
like I had to do.

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» I don't know. I wonder if he understands
that. If he just thinks it's a split off

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and see you later,
>> that feels more

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» Well, yeah. And he does that. going to
pay five years to roll back

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and then he's got to reapply for the 134
to go back into green belt.

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» It's not much, but
>> if he can sell that house though.

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» Yeah,
>> it's probably worth it.

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» Yeah,
>> maybe that's what he's trying to do.

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» That's what he's trying to do.

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» I was here when it was made
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» [clears throat]
>> So I think the discussion is he needs to

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be 75 or one to be on the land use or
the future land use

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I agree
>> unless we allow

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» even if he goes at 0 75 he'd still have
to do a reszone

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» if he wanted a half acre he'd have to do
a general plan amendment like ters

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we talked
Yeah, but that'd be a sub, right?

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» Which he's doing.
>> He'd have he would have to

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» if you wanted to sell parts.

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» So, side note, how do we feel about
existing house causing to do one lot of

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improvements [snorts]
>> for no reason at all?

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» For no reason at all.
>> I wouldn't I wouldn't re I mean, I think

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we should have the ability as a planning
commission to say we recommend this

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But
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» the line comes in is like well when do
we apply that like can that be rolled

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into more of
>> if he was next to if he was next to a

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subdivision that had curb and gutter I'd
say

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» we either ask or require but they'll
never put

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» I mean never say never but unless you're
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I don't think
>> where it's an existing home I think

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that's where we allow the exception.
If it was an empty lot and he was trying

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to split off a half acre to build a
house, then I think you say

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» a good point.
>> Okay, we need you to do the upgrades,

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but it's an existing home that exists as
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» and we we're living with it.
>> So why are we worried because there's an

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existing home? That's where I think the
line is divided.

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It's interesting. So my in-laws

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on the entire street.

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[clears throat]
>> Yeah. Doesn't make sense.

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» Yeah. Kids grow up sidewalk. So if
that's it one acre then he doesn't do it

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» or he could do it. We can approve that.
>> We can across

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the same case.

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down on 5100 West.
>> This is Country Weddings or whatever

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it's called.
>> Yeah. Right next.

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» It's a nice event center though.
>> It is really nice.

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» 3051.
>> So if you go what's the current A2 or

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» so it's one
>> and that's what I think. Her

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justification was was she brings up Ross
Ranch.

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» What's the future? I'm pretty sure it
doesn't call like

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» that is the future.
>> No, this is the current I think future

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is like the the Yeah, the dark green.
>> Oh, no. Dark green is

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» what part of it?
>> Agricultural,

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» isn't it?
>> Yeah, it's that top right corner.

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» It's the It's the Yeah. So it's that
which is the

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» gosh the flood zone and agriculture.
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» it's agricultural protection area.
>> Yeah.

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[clears throat]
>> So somebody put that in the protection.

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Can you take it out just like a
conservation? I don't plan a

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» yes
>> out of conservation. You can do anything

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you want with a general plan. approved,
but I don't know.

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» Well, she wants to do that. Plus, she
wants to

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» Doesn't she want to do
>> It's just

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the two parcels that I think.
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» Where is the highway going to go through
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» Nobody knows. [laughter]
>> It's east of it, but it turns right

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there and goes, I think through the
property.

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» It goes west right there. Goes through
the property and bubbles out into the

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bay. I think it's I think it stayed
right on.

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» Have they I don't think they've come up
with Have they come up with anything

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correct?
>> I thought they just stopped at 4,000.

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» The yellow line is
>> on the future plan M future

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transportation plan map. They show it
going to about there and then bubbling

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out and missing the wedding venue and
then going west and connecting over to

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Smith and Edwards
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county we've showed it keep going
straight and they want to keep going

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» north on 51 for a long long time
>> but they don't want to because all that

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wetlands and stuff.
>> Yeah.

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» So they want to go over there.
>> I agree. So I don't the last meeting we

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had with them I think they said they
were they had an

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» we were trying to we had development
come we said okay this is the alignment

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and you all got mad at us saying you
can't just kind of force us because the

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environmental documents is what's going
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» So I I'd be curious to see where it is.
Anyways, go back to the

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platmo.

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» So,
there's two parcels there.

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» Yeah.
>> And so, she wants to take the second

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parcel into
>> I think she both of them into R2.

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» Go from R1.
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That's how I read it.
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they're listed as the same partial
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» No, they're different technically when
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» So, she wants to sell all that frontage.
I bought

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15.
>> I wonder if she's trying to make it so

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it's more valuable. So, when you do
comes through, it's more money as well.

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That's what I would do if I own it. Try
to make it as valuable as possible.

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I I guess the question that we may need
to ask Nick or whatever is if they're

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doing a reszone, does it need to match
the future land use map or current? If

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it doesn't, then do they have to go
through this map amendment, general plan

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map amendment?
>> Because especially that one, this one's

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I mean it's agricultural like and flood
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» can't.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean,

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» was that designation just by the our
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state.
>> No. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's a I

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think it's more of a this needs to stay
open. I think it's more like we want

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this to stay open.
>> What is the agricultural

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current and future?
>> What does it say the Does it Does it say

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you can build on that agricultural zone
thing?

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» Yeah. So, that green hatched area
What's it called again on the right?

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What did you say it was?
>> Agriculture protection.

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» Agricultural protection area. So yeah,
I'm curious. What does the

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» I know that's being talked.
>> Yeah.

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» So yeah, what's the is there even can
you even build homes on agriculture

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protection?

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I mean, it looks like some homes already
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» you got to be able to cross
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did it come through before?

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That's a good question.

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I wonder when you guys went through the
general plan amendment, did they come in

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and ask for this
for that designation? Do you remember?

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» I don't because that would suck if that
property just got plastered on there

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like that.
>> You ask for it if you didn't ask for it.

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» Well,
scroll up just a little bit. Go to um

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go to about 5100 south 7100 west or 55
scroll up.

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» So

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So this
is my father-in-law's

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and there's no way in hell we put
agricultural conservation on there.

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» Yeah. So, I think they're two different
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» He doesn't have any agricultural
conservation on any of its

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» property.
>> Because you'd almost have to apply with

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that like these people do that walk down
and do a conservation.

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» I think that's just
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» said that
>> because it was filled at the time or

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something.
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we
have any of that on our

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» So either way that's a same
>> that's not just a reason that's like

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general plan opening requests would have
to be different application

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» I think we should confirm with Nick
that's the case to me that's what makes

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sense
Their reason request doesn't match

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anything
current or future.

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» Yeah,

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» but you can just resone whatever you
want. Doesn't matter.

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All right. Any other for those do you
have the same

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kind of question
that way?

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Now on to this resone request general
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for the terra LLC.
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this was a large portion of the packet.

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I'll just share what I thought was like
our responsibility

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this what we're looking at
>> as far as the planning commission.

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» Yeah. As far as planning commission you
guys it doesn't this is just my opinion.

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I could be wrong, but for me, I'm just
thinking

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we look at does this meet future land
use potential needs and is it

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fit into the general plan
as far as a land land use legislative

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decision? If we had concerns with the
uh developers agreement or the CRA or

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those things, I think those could be
conditions of why we don't want to

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approve it or why we want to approve it
with as long as these conditions get

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fleshed out by the city council who has
that authority. But I guess that as far

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as like debating on whether a C I got a
lot of emails about a CRA um but I don't

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feel like that's our wheelhouse to
necessarily say yes or no in that

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aspect. But for the reszone,
so let's just talk resone and not the

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development, but the reason
within that reason

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there's not enough open space.
I mean, he's only got our our ordinance

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claims 40%. He's got about 3 to 5% open
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that means he takes some doors away and
increases the if we agree to the but

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then now

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» I think so you bring up a good point
there. I think you'd have to I think

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that's where a recommendation of like we
do approve it because of and with this

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condition on that or we don't like it
because of that condition.

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Does that make sense?
>> Yeah.

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» I also I hesitate to put a my personal
opinion a bunch of conditions on the on

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the request saying we'll let you do this
if you do this and if you do this and if

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you do this because
they'll get lost in the

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you know what I mean? I mean, when we
did the we did the drug and alcohol, we

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had them a laundry list of conditions,
and I just think one or two of them

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bullet points would get missed
and just glossed over. But if it was

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in a developer agreement more so I don't
know. That's my

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» Yeah, I guess are we the ones making the
developer agreement at this level or is

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city council doing it at their level?
I think we make recommendations to it,

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» right?
>> But that would be like a a list of

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things, right? So,
>> but yeah, it's going to be perfect.

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We're not Yeah, we're not having a
perfect incentive then.

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» Thank you.
>> We need some conditions.

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» I know this almost sounds like splitting
hairs, but if if this were something

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that were to be recommended, I don't I
don't know if you give them that laundry

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list of recommendations. It is more as
hey, we're making the recommendation to

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Yes. modify the here are our suggestions
that you look at because like so I don't

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know about you guys but I spent a lot of
time going through this packet and

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there's some stuff in here that's a mile
of I can't [snorts] make the decision

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about lighting right I don't know
anything about that I don't know about

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plants and flower beds right and there's
a ton of stuff in here that was almost a

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mistake to send us this pack it because
I I think we're getting caught in the

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weeds of what our job
>> that's but there is there is portions

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under the development [clears throat]
agreement that are

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» pertinent
>> pertinent to us like the open space in

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there. It says the 40% is we're not
going to follow it.

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» Yeah. No, totally.
>> So like that type of stuff needs to be

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talked about, you know, and I think but
I think we also make recommend

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recommendations as far as
or

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as far as because it's a right any
reasonable wants agreement. So they can

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they're essentially going away from the
count the city code, right? So this is

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the ordinance the development agreement
is now going to be essentially the code

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for this development and I think you can
make a recommendation since it's at this

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level to say you know we don't we
wouldn't recommend not using CRA we

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recommend using just developers money
but if it helps this the overall area of

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the of the city that maybe the city come
up with some funds to do the sewer stuff

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like that I think that's reasonable but
once again I think that's just

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recommendations of the city council that
can make the

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decision. So I think it will be a longer
list of things.

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» Yeah, I think as it's presented today, I
think it has to be kind of what it was.

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» Yeah.
>> Um

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» but yeah, I agree. There's a lot of
stuff in there that I didn't feel

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adequate, but then a lot of stuff that
fits right into our wheelhouse of like

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you look at the future land new map
commercials right there. We want

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something commercial there.
Not saying that it won't happen again or

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if if it doesn't happen this time, but
my 12 years and I know that's not a long

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time, 14 years I've been here, I haven't
seen somebody want to come in and do

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that. Not saying that it's not going to
happen in the future. So, I I I would

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want to give the opportunity to city
council to at least explore and start,

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hey, does this make sense from a
standpoint? We have this development,

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this potential opportunity, and give
them the opportunity to

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use let them who are elected use their
kind of wheelhouse to kind of say this

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is what we need and this is what we want
out of it that sort of thing

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and I just look at the I mean we had a
whole study economic development study

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done on this last year sometime and it
came out favorable that it would be a

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benefit to this to the city. So I think
we I think we at least know the

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president's the due diligence to see it
further along than it has gone before.

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» I guess that's my feel
>> as far as like the mixed use and the the

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residential piece and what they want in
there.

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I think that we can have discussions
with but I think that can be built to

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what we
are looking for but again I think city

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city council wants some input into what
is allowed in there what they're asking

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for the town homes smaller lots I think
you go across the street for freedom and

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all that stuff is
essentially right there in Hooker

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anyways it's not too too far off it is a
big ask on the open

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portion like that's I mean that's what
was presented to us last time. That's

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what a road change from what kind of was
presented last time.

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» Yeah, they just blocked each other in
the middle

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» and I [clears throat] think that's
something that we could make

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recommendations on what we want to see
in that park and to service those

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people. I think that falls under our
purview. But those are my feelings. I

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think a lot of this is I think we have
to separate out what we have legislative

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jurisdiction over and we can
>> yeah that would be my question for Nick

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is how do we separate that out because
like yes we want to we want to have

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input on this but no we don't want to
talk about lights or parking lot sales

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or like I mean there's a million things
listed in here right there's there's a

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lot of blank stuff in here too question
marks and x's

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» so I
think that's where I'm not necessarily

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confused, but I'm concerned is if we're
making comments. Are we making comments

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on this whole whole document or are we
just making comments and suggestions on

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part of it or just the basic land use?
That's a good

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because a lot of it [clears throat] is
and that needs to be flushed out before

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but those are the conditions I would see
being able us being able to make a list

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of saying
this is what we need to see to grant you

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the
>> yeah the reszone and land use that was

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» that's I mean we're talking the land use
piece but then we want to do needs and

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wants I think that gets done as a group
with

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the city council because I right now I
think everybody's here or here and what

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do you think? I don't know. What do you
think? I don't know what and look at one

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big table. Here's what we have. Here's
what we need to have. Here's what

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doesn't matter and and start dialing
that stuff in if we move forward with

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this. [clears throat and cough]
>> I think that's

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» No, we do. We I wish Nick was here
because we've got to have that

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conversation of what can we
We can't obvious I don't think we can

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decide anything tonight,
[clears throat] you know, based on

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I I need

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I want to know about the noticing versus
what we can do versus what order that's

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got to go in because I read it
differently than other people and I want

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to make sure that we're doing it right.

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Any

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other as you read the developer
agreement or put through there anything

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else that was
concerned or that you would want to at

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least be a condition as we address that?
>> Well, so yeah, I got sticky notes

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everywhere.
>> So, one of the things that they were

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talking about like in here's design
guideline elements,

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we [clears throat] don't have any kind
of code around design guidelines. Other

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signage and lighting, right?
>> So, that's very basic. So, that would be

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something we need to recommend to the
council that we get some codes in place

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for that or how do we decide what that's
going to look like?

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» I think that be strictly governed by the
>> Yeah, they put it right in there and

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they just follow that.
>> Okay.

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» Um I did have questions on
uh 224. were talking about this flex

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mixed used area and it's kind of like
well

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» you know commercial's not doing great
I want to know is that included in the

431
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:29,279
headcount or the house count already
>> talking about impacts to abuing roads

432
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:34,159
what's going to happen with that chunk
of 4700 because that ends up being a

433
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:37,600
truck route so how do we improve that
road or have them improve that road to

434
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:42,559
withstand that
>> because that's not that road's not built

435
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,559
for that right now I would think

436
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:52,960
show I
this is more the legal reason in it too,

437
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:58,080
but we're also talking about if we do
push this through and they make any

438
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:02,480
changes, it wouldn't require any kind of
amendment to this agreement. And I don't

439
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:06,799
know how I feel about that, but that
might not be in our wheelhouse either.

440
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:12,960
» Yeah.
And that I'd want to see I guess Nick's

441
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:18,399
would have an opinion on on that.
>> But I have the same thing about the flex

442
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:21,040
space like how does it we got more
houses because commercial

443
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:27,760
» yeah who who gets to determine that
right like um that was just some stuff

444
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:31,280
what was it parking lot uh the fencing
around the outside I had questions on

445
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:37,200
you know they were talking there's
different options in here minimum six

446
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:41,599
foot opaque masonry wall screen is that
high enough is six foot tall enough and

447
00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:45,119
The only reason I asked that, so I think
about one of our stores, our West Valley

448
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:48,560
store. We've got a six foot wall behind
it and people climb over it all the

449
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:52,480
time. They want to go over it. I don't
know if that's anybody else's business

450
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:55,040
or problem, but I don't know if they
want any kind of exposure to that kind

451
00:34:54,639 --> 00:35:02,480
of stuff.
>> Well, and is the six foot high enough to

452
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:05,640
diffuse the light? Yeah. in the back of
the building.

453
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,640
I've also got questions about quiet
hours. I think that's something that,

454
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:17,599
you know, we don't want trucks running
at 2 o'clock in the morning, dumpster,

455
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:21,040
you know, we want limit dumpster times,
forklift times outside, any of that kind

456
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:29,680
of stuff. I didn't see this in there,
but last time we said something about

457
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:33,359
requiring the non-renable or the deep
transfer ship to be have to be owner

458
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:38,839
occupied.
>> That's some huge

459
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,839
» Well, that Yeah, that was um

460
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:46,720
area. Well, I've got questions about are
they planning on being an HOA or I see

461
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:50,079
they have CCNRs, but I live in a
community with CCNRs and there's nothing

462
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,359
there.
>> So, is that

463
00:35:51,359 --> 00:36:02,320
» Yeah. So, it really means nothing. But
yeah, that was the can we put basically

464
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:06,720
why it's not a title lock, but you
restriction. Yeah, restriction like and

465
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:12,640
I think it needs to be pretty sizable
because if if this were to move forward

466
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:17,119
with any kind of density, nobody wants a
neighborhood full of rentals.

467
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:21,119
» Yeah.
>> I think you can almost limit that by the

468
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:25,920
the the type of home.
>> Like I imagine town homes rent easier

469
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,079
than
a standalone home. Maybe

470
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:34,560
» that would be something interesting to
think about.

471
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:34,560
» I think you

472
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:41,280
a cluster of six. It makes it look more
like building just a cluster of four,

473
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,280
let's say.
>> Yeah.

474
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:54,160
It lends itself more to I just there
wasn't a whole ton in there about

475
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:59,680
owner occupied for x amount of years. We
had talked about that like they said

476
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,280
they they talked about want to encourage
that

477
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,359
encouraging doesn't
>> Yeah. How do we really protect against

478
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,880
it?
>> Yeah.

479
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,880
Have

480
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:15,359
owner can only own one property.
>> Yeah. That's all I said here.

481
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,640
» But it limits it to two.
>> Yeah.

482
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:22,480
» But just create a new LLC.
>> Yeah.

483
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,480
» You can do that in five seconds.

484
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:28,599
So, you know, some of that's an issue

485
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,960
being

486
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:48,640
funding, but again, that's not
>> I thought back in the day, I mean, this

487
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:52,320
has been going since 23, but we've all
said

488
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:57,280
We just wanted patio homes, you know,
all town homes popped up.

489
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,480
» One note on that is we did say we like
JDC Ranch out there and they went out

490
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,480
and looked at that.
>> That's home

491
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:09,880
» and that's kind this is kind of what is
>> how big how many units?

492
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:18,000
» There's quite a bit. I think there's
>> probably six or four. Yeah, really

493
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:21,599
» in in this one. No,
>> there's look at the

494
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,800
» But what I like about it is there's a
row of town homes and then right next to

495
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,119
it there's single family dwellings.
>> They break it up.

496
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:33,200
» Yeah. It's not just here's this huge
cluster of town homes.

497
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:38,000
» And I think they would be willing to
do what we want in that area. That was

498
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:43,599
just a representation of what could
>> I mean if you can have town home if you

499
00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:49,119
go out to there just west of the bluff
that's a big town home community

500
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:55,599
» west of bluff
>> but it's only there's only max of four

501
00:38:52,320 --> 00:39:00,800
» I mean there's two
three max

502
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:05,200
» I just think that l [snorts]
>> obviously this is like they'd have to

503
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:09,280
change like the parking doesn't make
There is no parking

504
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:13,040
» like the one 14ty bitty little parking
spot.

505
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:17,520
» So, so that that section I think is
>> conceptual.

506
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,079
» How many homes was this? 129
>> 115

507
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,119
» 115
>> and that's what I think that's what that

508
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:28,240
flex area too.
>> Yeah. So that if that So that down there

509
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:34,240
at that bottom left if that ended up
being more homes you know how many more

510
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:40,400
things they want to show in there? But
one real big you'd have you'd have to

511
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:44,640
change all this because to me the open
space doesn't meet the

512
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,920
» Yeah, not at all.
>> No, that was what is the percentage of

513
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,119
the open space compared to just the
residential if you take out the

514
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:56,960
commercial portion of it.
>> I mean it's still not 40% obviously.

515
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:59,920
» 3% 5% something like that.
>> But that was you know because I drove

516
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:04,800
out and looked at that JDC when you guys
recommended that the that's broken up.

517
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,320
There's a ton of open space in there.
There's a lot there's not much in there.

518
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,400
» Even between the single family dwelling
stuff, there's a ton.

519
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:16,400
» They they walked in one chunk of grass.
>> Well, and and the other portion of this

520
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:21,440
is
is he's not a residential developer.

521
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:28,320
He's only a commercial. So, he's going
to sell this off to a residential

522
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:34,800
developer, a Nilson homes, an Ivy Homes,
Castle Creek or whatever.

523
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:41,200
You know, so really without him being
the residential developer,

524
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:45,839
how many does he really how many doors
does he really think he's got to have to

525
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:50,480
» Yeah, I think this is more conceptual
for us to see is like, hey, potentially

526
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:55,280
this is what it could be.
>> I I really just have a hard problem time

527
00:40:53,599 --> 00:41:01,280
with it because of the open space
requirement. Well, that's so let's say

528
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,960
we did commit to this. They sell off
that background to a home builder and

529
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:09,520
they come in and say, "No, none of this
works." So, we start back over at square

530
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:14,319
one and then where we at?
>> I think we'd have to see kind of what

531
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:19,280
their response to that is and then how
that would be addressed in the developer

532
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:23,319
agreement. how if what what they would
have to do to make sure that

533
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:31,040
» we if we need input or the mainly the
city council input and directs that

534
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,359
development to the standards that they
want. The lots to the west are third

535
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:40,200
acre north
>> all the way around the way and the west

536
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,960
» they're showing 40 foot
>> rightways

537
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:49,680
» there's crosssection
>> that I don't know if fire will even be

538
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,079
happy like
>> you have to be I think Taylor was saying

539
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:57,200
that needs to be there.
>> Yeah. So obviously I know this is just

540
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,599
the
>> conceptual but it would change a lot.

541
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,240
Yeah,
>> you have to you have to move things

542
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,160
around.
>> Yeah, green space and parking. So I

543
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,200
think that would be like a condition or
something that they might want to

544
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:14,560
address in that that either the through
the developer agreement on this back

545
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:20,720
piece to whoever this got sold to that
>> would meet some obviously the city

546
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:24,800
standards that's in there and Jared and
public works

547
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:29,040
» input on the homes fire all that would
have to come into play there and then

548
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:33,359
city council will be able to give their
input on what they want to

549
00:42:31,254 --> 00:42:41,800
[clears throat] see as far as
homes or what we wanted to see within

550
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:41,800
that PB development that way.

551
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:57,520
Um,
so I something else we may want to

552
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,680
consider too is I have a feeling there's
going to be some people here that want

553
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,480
to say something
>> and I think that's awesome.

554
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:07,760
Do we want to move citizen comment up in
front of our discussion

555
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,079
» since we're not going to open up a
public meeting?

556
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:18,480
» Well, if we can't do that, I would just
say we go through our discussion. It

557
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,200
should be
>> You're not going to move to

558
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,680
» Yeah, we're going to respond to their
comments anyways.

559
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,920
» No,
>> but yeah,

560
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,119
» but you want to let them be.
>> Yes.

561
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:37,920
Things we're going to action on tonight,
right? No, just yes, Amy. Yes.

562
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,400
» And the rest
will be here. We can ask him a few

563
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,800
questions we have.
>> Correct.

564
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:48,960
» So maybe Yes. I guess it wouldn't hurt
to leave that at the end. We just take

565
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:53,840
good notes and take away from
>> Yeah.

566
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:53,840
[clears throat]

567
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:03,480
Just maybe make sure you mention why
we're not doing opening up the public

568
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,480
com.

569
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,960
So

570
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:21,040
» I'd be sure to mention obviously all the
emails we got.

571
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:24,000
It's really interesting because
I don't any of them necessarily say they

572
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:29,119
don't want the Smiths. It's just they
don't want the the high density.

573
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,400
» I guess what is what is what I guess the
my biggest thing I think people's

574
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,400
definition of high density is
drastically

575
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:42,160
» I don't think anybody wants apartments.
There's not there's none of those on

576
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:45,160
there,
>> right?

577
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:52,640
» Yeah. The other concern that the general
public doesn't know a ton about is us

578
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:58,000
needing to find a way to get affordable
housing in Hopper

579
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:01,040
» or I guess get housing in Hooper or be
mandated

580
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,520
» or or be
>> we either can choose or the state's

581
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,800
going to tell us where to put it.
>> Well, then the general plan even needs

582
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:11,440
like talks about getting affordable
homes and houses for younger people or

583
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,480
older people and the retired farmers.
Like it talks about that and this is how

584
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:19,040
you would do it.
>> Yeah. Unfortunately, it has to happen at

585
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,040
some point in some way.

586
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:26,720
some of that kind of goes back to
Commissioner Se

587
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:34,000
» earlier when he was talking when they
first pitched this there was like

588
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:39,960
senior living and you know that that was
a big push so that as folks age out

589
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,640
» they're not

590
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:53,520
» or a half acre or an acre
Well, it's just the other thing too is

591
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:58,560
» do like if I mean if there was a third
or quarter acre lot for sale right there

592
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:02,480
» behind a Smith
>> you're not going to get

593
00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:06,880
» people aren't going to buy them.
>> People would go after a patio home a

594
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,280
town home in that situation. So to me
that kind of makes sense.

595
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,040
» How many patio?
>> There's logical placement.

596
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:16,400
» Yes,
>> I agree.

597
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,760
» No, it's like how many
How many that's the how you home cross

598
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,920
the
>> 5500

599
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:26,319
» is it like 38 something like that
>> say that again sorry

600
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:29,599
» the 55
>> right across from my house

601
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,599
» yeah pickle ball
>> court

602
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:40,359
weird
>> what is there

603
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,359
» I got 38 36.

604
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:57,200
» So, there's [snorts] no reason you go
right now. There's no reason we couldn't

605
00:46:54,240 --> 00:47:02,240
suggest something like 15 or 20 of those
at least in there

606
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:07,200
» for senior living.
>> And I think they're open to that based I

607
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:14,000
think that was more conceptual of like
they're trying to model a JDC ranch and

608
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:19,200
if we ask for patio homes I think they
>> this what they submitted here and again

609
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:24,640
it is conceptual that's a lot tighter
than JDBC

610
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:28,960
» and granted JDBC's how many acres though
>> huge yeah

611
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,760
» yeah it's not 46
>> yeah and they mentioned developer

612
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,839
mentioned that last week it's like
obviously it's different

613
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:40,560
» the same
>> yeah but the same the same time like we

614
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:44,240
want 40% open space like that's how
you're going to do it [snorts] is doing

615
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:44,240
it that

616
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:51,520
It needs a lot more open space than
what's on there.

617
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:58,079
Well, that's something else. You know, I
don't know if we talk about that now or

618
00:47:52,960 --> 00:48:05,160
later, but what what goes in that? We
don't need another. We don't need

619
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,160
another playground. How many big parks

620
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,440
» too soon?

621
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:15,599
» I mean, is that something we push for
like an event center?

622
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:19,359
» I think
wanted something like that, but that's

623
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:23,599
going to come on condition of the city
contributing some of that.

624
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:30,920
» Yeah, the hard part is the size of what
they've got.92 acres. If you look at

625
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:30,920
that one in Green Ranch, it's 2.92.

626
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,440
And that one has pickle ball court for
it's a

627
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:39,680
» playground
farm is one in West Haven

628
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:44,440
» about 4,000 south right there.
>> Yeah. With the pond and everything

629
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,440
» getting kind of dizzy.

630
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:50,000
» You're doing good.
>> You're doing awesome.

631
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,839
» No matter what they say about you,
Morgan, I think you're still pretty

632
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,119
good.
>> I'm going to tell him that.

633
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,319
» It's on to his face.
>> Yeah. See, it has a lot of green space

634
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:03,119
out in the back. It's just not that's
unused. I feel like that's something

635
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,400
you could address in the development
agreement and city council could have

636
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:11,680
their input as well into into that. I
>> mean that would require the city to

637
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:15,520
contribute quite a bit too.
>> But I think at that point that's that's

638
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:19,920
a that's a betterment to the city.
Obviously don't [clears throat] want to

639
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:23,839
ask for too much. I I guess that's where
I'm at as far as this infrastructure

640
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,920
financing is like if it's something that
will benefit the city the area then the

641
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:31,040
city should contribute a little bit. If
it's just strictly for the development,

642
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,079
the city should not. And I don't think
they should.

643
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:37,760
» Like and the future taxpayers shouldn't
make them pay for it. I don't think

644
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,480
» agreed. We're not there to pay for curb
gutter.

645
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:42,240
» Yeah.
>> We're not there to pay for parking.

646
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:47,520
» The other thing, too, is like the whole
thing of we need tax revenue. I don't

647
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,040
like I don't love the the idea of the
tax financing because then you're not

648
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,760
seeing that tax revenue for 10, 15
years, whatever it is. It's like, what's

649
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,480
the point? Might as well just keep it.
>> Well, yeah. Because what'll happen is

650
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:00,720
» you'll still get the
Yeah, the sales tax will come through.

651
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:06,559
» Yeah,
>> you defer that and then you put in 100

652
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:10,720
houses, you get 50 kids, school district
still has to service those kids

653
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,720
» and they got to do it with less money.
>> Yeah.

654
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:22,319
» Well, [laughter]
[clears throat]

655
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:28,079
they'll they'll see that and say, "Well,
now we got to do another mill levy bond

656
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:31,640
for another 60 million bucks."
pay for it anyway.

657
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:43,280
» And I personally think they're getting
to the point where they're going to say,

658
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:48,000
you know what, we're done. We've got so
much money out there, 20 plus 20 plus

659
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:52,720
million that we're not seeing this
benefit yet for another 15 years or 10

660
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:58,480
years, whatever it is. I mean, the one
up on Powder Mountain

661
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:03,800
started 1996 and it's not it's coming
due this year finally that CR

662
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:09,440
» that's ridiculous.
>> That's like if you never ask for it, you

663
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,960
never know if they want to participate
though.

664
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,200
» Huh?
>> If you never ask them, you never know if

665
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:19,599
they want to participate.
>> Oh, but the the other thing to me is

666
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:25,280
we've got all these developments going
on.

667
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:30,400
One of the developers
past or been afforded the opportunity

668
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,480
to [snorts]
they're all paying for their own

669
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,720
infrastructure.
>> Not one of them has brought a dismiss

670
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:37,440
either.
>> That's true.

671
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,960
» That's true.
>> You can play devil's advocate on both

672
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:44,240
sides.
>> Both sides of that, right? Like it's dra

673
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:49,119
this is this isn't the same as any
development that we have seen in the

674
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:54,240
last ever ever like there's never been
there's never been this.

675
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:58,400
I think that's the only reason that I
would you want to further it down the

676
00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:02,640
road and at least explore it because of
that, not because it's like a here

677
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:07,920
here's another 100 homes that are going
in that we just want another 100 homes.

678
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,760
» Give it an opportunity to see where it
goes.

679
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,760
» That's that's

680
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:21,760
um anything else or
>> No, just

681
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:27,920
» we didn't really bring it up in Sorry.
Go ahead, Blake. The agricultural

682
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:33,359
protection area is basically
the use and enjoyment of this pro is

683
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:38,880
expressly conditioned on acceptance of
any annoyance or any inconvenience. So

684
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:43,680
if you build in one of them areas, it's
your fault because if you complain about

685
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:47,119
tractors, you complain about
>> but what's the density though? Where is

686
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,720
there density? Doesn't say
>> just says that there's going to be that

687
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:55,359
kind of stuff in the area.
That's what the

688
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:57,359
» don't complain about smells.
So it doesn't really address the

689
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:02,800
density.
>> No, it just says it's in which normal

690
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:08,599
agriculture uses have been the highest
priority.

691
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:08,599
So, if you're going to build next,

692
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,800
» the only thing I was going to add real
quick was

693
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:20,559
» Tucker specifically mentioned the CRA
potential with a lift station and if we

694
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:25,520
needed to have a bigger lift station,
>> having that be as part of a CRA that

695
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:29,440
might be able to
>> would pay its portion and those other

696
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:32,559
because there's like two or three
properties that are going to develop

697
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,640
once
I

698
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:39,680
side of it.
>> Yeah, we're a or the city fronts it

699
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:43,839
» either the city fronts it or you just do
an agreement with the developer saying

700
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:48,880
when these connect you get your you get
your money back for that.

701
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:52,400
» I I think that's a I think you I would
like to I don't want to handcuff the

702
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,720
city council into
>> Yeah.

703
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,440
» pigeon hole them into something but that
would be something I would want them to

704
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:03,280
explore
>> in that in that instance. So

705
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:07,040
» I agree.
Dumb. Well, I don't know. It's a dumb

706
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:11,520
question. Might be brilliant. So, if
they did do a CFA in there and somebody

707
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:17,040
starts to develop on style side of 51,
can can you pay that debt off early?

708
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:20,400
» You mean 55? should be able to add
>> like hey you're going to need to get

709
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:25,200
called an impact fee or whatever but it
goes directly to pay that off because I

710
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:30,720
think I think there's people waiting
>> and I'm not I don't think the CRA has

711
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:35,520
dismissing case though they
was extremely successful

712
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:40,480
» yeah they have
>> yeah I agree

713
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:47,200
» which is I don't think it should come
out of the city's pocket or the future

714
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:52,160
homeowners have to pay for
>> as far as like a

715
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:56,319
» PI just because I mean unless you're to
say okay you can't have to get the limit

716
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,960
your lot sell because they're going to
be paying for it all just because

717
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,319
they're they're not going to bring their
lot the price of the lot down. They're

718
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,720
still going to sell market value and
their taxes are way higher compared to

719
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,720
everyone else.

720
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:13,359
The hard part about doing it is like if
they if they have to front it,

721
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:18,800
» is there some kind of a timeline gap
lapse on there so that they're only tied

722
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:22,319
in for 10 years or 20 years or you know
you can't just say indefinitely if this

723
00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:27,200
land ever develops into 50 years from
now your money's tied

724
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:31,800
» up 10 15 max
>> that's what our curb and gutter escrow

725
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,800
is

726
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:39,200
» how many more years you got
>> about eight years.

727
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:42,400
» How many days? How many hours?
>> How much money was it getting?

728
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:46,240
» Thank you guys for your support.
Appreciate it.

729
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:49,359
Good luck, guys.
>> Hey, I need to take off. You want to do

730
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,880
something?
>> Me, too.

731
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:56,200
» Sorry, Nate.
Boys practice.

732
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,960
Sorry.

733
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,400
That's perfect.

734
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,480
Okay.
>> Yes.

735
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,240
Let's

736
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,119
do

737
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,640
that.

738
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,480
Either

739
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,319
way. Either way.

740
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,240
The ones

741
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,359
button. Another

742
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,319
» recording in progress.

743
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,400
We don't have

744
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:33,280
Good evening, Her residents. Thank you
for coming to our planning commission. I

745
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:38,480
want to call our meeting to order for
the August 13, 2026 Hooper City Planning

746
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:41,920
Commission meeting. I'm Commissioner
McCormack and I'll be conducting the

747
01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:47,040
meeting.
To begin our meeting, we'll have a

748
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:51,000
pledge led by Commissioner White and a
prayer given by myself.

749
01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:06,400
» To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

750
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:12,440
stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

751
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,440
for all.

752
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:24,960
» Our father in heaven, we're grateful for
the opportunity we had to gather

753
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:28,880
together here as citizens of Hooper to
help discuss the needs of the city. We

754
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:32,880
ask that the spirit will be with us
today. We're grateful for the soldiers

755
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:37,200
who fight for our freedom. from us to
please be with them and be with their

756
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:41,119
families as they provide us a great
opportunity to enjoy our lives. We're

757
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:45,280
grateful for the rain that we have
received um to help the farmers with

758
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:48,640
their crops. We ask that thou will
please continue to give us the rain that

759
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:52,440
we need. We say these things in the name
of Jesus Christ. Amen.

760
01:01:53,680 --> 01:02:02,000
» Thank you, Commissioner Wake.
Um, for the first item of consent, there

761
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:07,839
is the approval of the minutes dated
July 9th, 2026. As we discussed in the

762
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:11,040
work meeting, there didn't nobody saw
any corrections to those. So, I'll

763
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,200
entertain a motion to approve those
minutes.

764
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:16,880
» Motion to approve.
>> Second.

765
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:21,599
» A motion to approve from Commissioner B,
Commissioner Bates, and a second from

766
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,359
Commissioner Seing. All in favor?
>> I.

767
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:28,799
» I.
>> Okay. Now, we'll turn some time over to

768
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:33,040
our attorney for an announcement.
>> So, I would imagine many of you were

769
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:38,319
here not to see us approve the minutes
tonight, but for other items on the

770
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:43,920
agenda, items C, D, and E were not
appropriately noticed. So, those items

771
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:48,319
will be tabled tonight. The commission
is not going to take any action on those

772
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:52,000
to approve deny anything other than
tableing them. Um, we're not going to

773
01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:56,960
take we're not going to open a public
hearing on those, but you. We recognize

774
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:01,280
that you're here tonight and that you
might not be available when that item

775
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:08,079
comes up in the future. So, if you want
to speak on those items, CD, D, and E,

776
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:13,280
we would love to hear that during our uh
citizen comment portion of the meeting.

777
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:17,920
We anticipate potentially holding a
special planning commission meeting on

778
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:22,400
the 27th or the first regularly
scheduled meeting in September, but we

779
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:26,160
know that that won't necessarily work
for all of your schedule and we do want

780
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:30,960
to hear from you. The commission does
want to hear from you on this item if it

781
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:34,000
if it's important to you. So, just
wanted to make you aware that there

782
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:38,400
won't be any action on those items, but
you can still comment on them and th

783
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,400
those comments will be taken into
consideration.

784
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:47,680
Thank you.
>> Thank you.

785
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:53,200
Um on to the first item of business was
a motion to recommend the approval of

786
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:56,760
modifications to Den 10-1A
1 and 10-2B-6.

787
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:05,119
Um we discussed this in our work
meeting. These are amendments that

788
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:10,559
clarify our definition of a family and
clean up some structure um regarding

789
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:15,280
living conditions and things like that.
And as we discussed in work reading

790
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:21,280
everything book any comments from
commission members

791
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:24,760
included like group homes and assisted
right?

792
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,760
» Y

793
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:31,680
we talked about a few times now but I I
feel comfortable making a motion to

794
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:36,559
recommend the approval of modifications
to those sections of code.

795
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,839
» I'll second.
>> We have a motion from Commissioner White

796
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:45,119
and a second from Commissioner
Whittison. All in favor?

797
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:50,319
» I I motion passes. The second is a
conditional use permit request for

798
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:59,359
William East for an oversized structure
located at 6250 West 5700 South. The

799
01:04:54,319 --> 01:05:06,400
request is for a 37 37 3720 square foot
and a 24 height um building. At this

800
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:14,000
time, we'll turn some time over to staff
to give a presentation on that and then

801
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:19,039
we'll head into our public comment.
>> Okay, thank you. Um so this is his

802
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:24,960
application that he filled out. Again,
his total square footage is 3,720 ft

803
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:30,400
with a height of 24. Says he'll be using
it for storage and shop. No um plumbing

804
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:35,760
or business use on the structure, but
possible electricity in the future. Off

805
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:38,880
to the right, it's just a site plan of
what that building will look like. A

806
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:44,400
three bay garage with the lane two off
to the side. Um, and then a site plan

807
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:51,000
here. You can see the home facing 5700
South with his proposed shop in the back

808
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,000
where that star is located.

809
01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:03,280
» Is there a representative
or Mr. William East here to come forward

810
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:06,559
and kind of explain to the
commission what the building will be

811
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,960
used for and answer any questions that
they might have?

812
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:18,000
Uh yes, good evening. My William East,
where everyone's looking to to build

813
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:22,400
this shop. Um it's been in the plan for
us for years since we built the home. Uh

814
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:26,640
ran out of money when we built the home,
so we had to wait a few years. But uh

815
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:30,400
anyway, we've got plans finally in place
to do this shop. It's basically a pole

816
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:34,160
barn. Uh we've got a fifth wheel we'd
like to ply cent, get it out of the

817
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:39,760
weather during the winter. I got a
couple tractors, get everything out out

818
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:45,280
of the winter, just shop have art
things. So, I don't know if there's any

819
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:50,079
other questions or anything that you
guys may have or

820
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:57,039
nothing special, nothing fancy, just a
pole bar

821
01:06:52,720 --> 01:07:02,960
to use for our work. So, any questions
for Mr. East?

822
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:05,760
Thank you.
At this time, I'll [clears throat]

823
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:11,799
entertain a motion to enter a public
hearing for the condition. use permit

824
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,799
for William East.

825
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:21,599
» I'll make a motion to enter public
hearing for the condition

826
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:24,079
for William East oversized structure.
>> Second.

827
01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:27,839
» I have a motion from Commissioner Wait,
a second from Commissioner Bates. All in

828
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:34,000
favor?
Hi. Okay, you now have time to come

829
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:39,520
forward and express any concerns that
you might have about this building. Um,

830
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:44,720
please state your name if you're
resident of Hooper and then keep your

831
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:49,280
comments to three minutes. Jamie will be
your

832
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:54,880
kind of help you stay on track. So, if
there is

833
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:58,200
any public comment, um, please feel free
to come forward.

834
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:07,119
Seeing no public comment, I'll entertain
a motion and turn just

835
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:13,520
uh Trevor Christensen. I'm the property
owner just north of Bill. I was just

836
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:17,839
curious see it was kind of hard to see
from back there what the uh actual

837
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:22,080
dimensions were because 50 by 60 doesn't
actually add up to 3720

838
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:24,719
uh as far as square footage. I was
trying to get some more clarification on

839
01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:28,319
that.
Did they did they include the lean two

840
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:31,319
on the side?
>> Yes.

841
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:40,560
» Hard reading that maybe.
>> So if you add the lean to

842
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:47,799
» the wing on that
62 wide 60 deep then

843
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:47,799
» with the lean too.

844
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:55,839
And then I didn't I also didn't see any
uh

845
01:08:52,319 --> 01:09:00,319
property offset dimensions
>> in the uh off the off the property

846
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:03,839
lines.
>> Sorry, it's really hard to read on this

847
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:07,679
projector screen, but it looks like it's
36 or 35 ft from the back property.

848
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:13,880
» Okay.
>> And then he's got property cleared to

849
01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:13,880
the opposite side.

850
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:18,480
» Okay. Was trying to get some
clarification on that. make sure it was

851
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:22,799
within the setback
>> and he's below our maximum height of 25

852
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,080
ft. So
>> yeah, it's just the just the conditions

853
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:28,239
just the size.
>> Correct.

854
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:34,719
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

855
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:39,279
» Any other citizen comment?
Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion to

856
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,600
close citizen comment and return to our
regular meeting.

857
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:45,040
» So moved.
>> Second. I have a motion from

858
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,279
Commissioner Bates, second from
Commissioner Wson. All in favor?

859
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,440
» I
>> I

860
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:55,400
bring it back to Commission for
discussion and a motion.

861
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:05,040
» I'll make a motion that we approve the
conditional use permit for William East

862
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:08,920
for an oversight structure at 6252 West
5700 South.

863
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:14,239
» Second.
We have a motion from Commissioner Seing

864
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,159
and a second from Commissioner
Whittison. All in favor?

865
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:23,040
» I.
>> I.

866
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:29,520
Okay. Now we'll move to our citizen
comments portion of the meeting. Um

867
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:33,920
kind of same rules apply. You'll be
allotted three minutes here. Please come

868
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:38,000
forward, state your name, your resident
of Hooper,

869
01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:43,440
of resident of Hooper. Um, and then just
watch Jane and she'll kind of guide you

870
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:48,360
with how much time you have have left.
And we look forward to hearing from you.

871
01:10:54,480 --> 01:11:02,800
» Hello, my name is Wilfred Deart. We live
uh 5100 South and 3,000 miles just

872
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:09,360
outside of boundaries. Um, but I'm here
on the uh the R2. Uh, excuse me. I don't

873
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:15,040
know what
I know number is.

874
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:18,960
» It's about changing the parcel from R1
to R2.

875
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:23,760
» Yes, sir.
>> Um, when we say R2, are we talking about

876
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:29,920
high density housing like apartment
complexes or is this going to be an

877
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:34,640
additional residential area?
>> Yeah. So R2 is just Hooper's halfacre

878
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:41,440
zone.
So the it' be a halfacre lots. So R1 is

879
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:43,840
acre, R2 is halfacre. So that that was
what that request.

880
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:48,880
» Okay. So we're not talking about putting
in apartment complexes in there.

881
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:54,440
» No, that wasn't No.
>> Okay. That was my question. Thank you.

882
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,440
Appreciate you.

883
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:17,120
I'm Amy Kristofferson um from 5274 West
5900 South um regarding the um reszone

884
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:23,040
request and general plan amendment for
uh Terara Strada and Steuart Adams. Um,

885
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:26,480
I did send this email to the city
council and to the planning commission

886
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:32,239
earlier today, but I'm just going to
read it. Um, express how I feel. Um, I'm

887
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:37,840
writing to you today as a deeply
concerned Hooper resident to express my

888
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:42,560
vehement opposition to any proposal that
would open up our general plan to allow

889
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:47,360
for multifamily highdensity housing
within our city. Our community chooses

890
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:52,640
to live in Hooper because of its unique
rural character, open cases and

891
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:56,880
lowdensity neighborhoods. Introducing
highdensity multifamily housing directly

892
01:12:54,960 --> 01:13:01,120
threatens the safety, infrastructure,
and peaceful way of life that define our

893
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:04,800
town.
Our roads, schools, and utility systems

894
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:09,280
are not built to handle this type of
rapid, dense growth. And I urge you to

895
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:14,640
stand firm and protect the integrity of
our existing general plan. In addition

896
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:20,400
to rejecting highdensity zoning, I
strongly oppose Hooker City establishing

897
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:24,640
a community reinvestment area, CRA,
public infrastructure district, PID, or

898
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:28,320
any other form of tax increment
financing.

899
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:32,880
While proponents paint these corporate
welfare mechanisms as innovative tools

900
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:37,920
to finance development, the reality is
far more damaging. These programs were

901
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:42,239
created by self-serving legislators to
shift the financial burdens and risks of

902
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:46,880
private infrastructure directly onto the
backs of local citizens. Corporate

903
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:51,679
subsidies like CRAAS and pits force
everyday taxpayers to pick up the tab

904
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:56,159
for developer costs saddling our
community with long-term debt while

905
01:13:53,760 --> 01:14:00,880
developers walk away with the profits.
Hooper residents should not be forced to

906
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:04,960
subsidize private business ventures.
Furthermore, I want to voice my

907
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:09,760
strongest possible opposition to
allowing Stuart Adams or any of his

908
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:13,840
associated business entities and
partners to develop anywhere within

909
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:18,560
Hipper City boundaries. It is deeply
concerning to see a career politician

910
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:22,880
use decades of legislative influence at
the state level to rewrite tax and

911
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:27,360
zoning laws for personal financial gain
and the benefit of developer associates.

912
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:32,159
Her should not open its doors to
individuals who prioritize private

913
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:35,840
profit over the explicit will, financial
health, and well-being of local

914
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:39,760
communities. Please do your duty to
protect our city from predatory

915
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:43,920
development, corporate tax schemes, and
political influence. I ask that you

916
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:48,480
formally reject any amendments to the
general plan regarding highdensity

917
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:53,040
housing, refuse to establish any CRA,
PID, or TIFF districts, and deny any

918
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:59,159
development applications tied to Steuart
Adams.

919
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,159
Thank you,

920
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:08,960
» Amber. So, I was given a statement by
Stacy Judkins resident that she wanted

921
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:13,679
read tonight and so I'm here in
herstead. Once we start giving up our

922
01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:17,600
open land to developers, highdensity
housing, and more commercial growth, we

923
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:22,000
lose more than acreage. We lose the
space, character, and breathing room

924
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:26,400
that make Hooker feel like Cooper. We've
all heard the line, "They paved our dice

925
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:30,000
and put up a parking lot." We shouldn't
have to look around our own community

926
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:34,000
one day and realize we let that happen
here. This isn't about being against

927
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:38,800
growth.
It's about asking what kind of growth we

928
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:43,600
want and what we are willing to lose to
get it. Please help us preserve Hooker.

929
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:48,480
Help protect our parks, open spaces,
neighborhoods, and small town way of

930
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:53,199
life. Our land, our parks, and our
community are worth protecting. Once

931
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:59,520
it's developed, we don't get it back.
Let's keep Cooper a community, not just

932
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:05,719
filled, not just another place filled
with subdivisions, traffic, and parking

933
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,719
lots. Thank you, Stacy Judkins.

934
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,440
» Thank you.

935
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,520
Another

936
01:16:15,227 --> 01:16:17,247
[clears throat]

937
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:26,960
this is very hastily put together so
forgive me if it's not perfect. When the

938
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:30,239
general plan update was done, there was
a great effort made to get input from

939
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:34,400
the members of the community. There were
focus groups, open houses, and surveys

940
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:38,400
done. A strong majority of the community
conveyed they do not want town homes and

941
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:42,080
highdensity housing in Hooker. The
majority of Hooker residents voiced that

942
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:45,840
they want to keep Hooker small town and
rural. When the planning commission

943
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,360
reviewed this project last year, a
recommendation was made to approve some

944
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,480
commercial development. The
recommendation was made that the

945
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:56,960
highdensity housing in either a patio
zone or PUD zone would be used for a

946
01:16:55,120 --> 01:17:00,960
senior living community. This would
allow our aging residents to stay in

947
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:04,400
Hooker. Statistically, these types of
communities have lower crime rates and

948
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:08,480
residents generally stay there the rest
of their lives. Our senior citizens

949
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:12,640
would be within walking distance or a
short drive to a grocery store and a

950
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:16,320
financial institution. This would also
result in less traffic on our roads.

951
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:19,920
This option would also be a benefit to
the developer by increasing the density

952
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:23,760
of this project. This would also
discourage the homes becoming rentals,

953
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:27,520
which so often happens with town homes.
Even if a deed restriction is put in

954
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:31,040
place, that just pushes the issues that
come with rentals down the road. When

955
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:34,880
you have a more transient community
where people are not putting down roots,

956
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:38,880
community connections suffer and crime
rises. If the goal is to complete a

957
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:41,840
project that is beneficial to Hooper,
putting in housing that will end up

958
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:45,920
increasing public safety and other costs
is not the answer. I would also like to

959
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:49,840
reiterate my views that a CRA or any
other form of tax increment financing is

960
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:54,000
not the answer for this project. The
location of this project with the new

961
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:58,000
highway coming through makes this prime
real estate.

962
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:01,679
It will be, this will not be the only
offer for commercial development that

963
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:05,199
Hooper receives. Hoper should not settle
nor compromise the best interest of the

964
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:09,679
community, including limiting future tax
revenue and fostering increased property

965
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:14,159
taxes from the taxing entities that
participate in the CRA. I am not opposed

966
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:17,840
to some commercial development. It's
what's being proposed with it that I am

967
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:21,120
against. I've taught my children that a
smart person learns from their mistakes.

968
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:25,280
A wise person learns from the mistakes
of others. Please learn from other

969
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:28,400
communities who have put in highdensity
housing such as town homes and

970
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:32,159
apartments as well as the negative
effects that have been experienced from

971
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:35,679
the use of tax increment financing. I'm
asking that you please honor the wishes

972
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:38,480
of this community and not sacrifice
what's in the best interest for the

973
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:42,120
first carrot that's dangled in front of
us. Thank you.

974
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:48,440
Any

975
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,640
other citizen comment?

976
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:08,480
» Okay. So, mine was a action item. It was
going to be the reason request.

977
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:15,280
» Please state your state.
>> Bridgetger Smith. Sorry.

978
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:20,320
I live at 5271 West 4600 South. Um, just
to clarify, if I can't make it to the

979
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:26,239
next meeting, I'm just trying to We're
on a 13 acre parcel. We're just trying

980
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:30,480
to make it our house a half acre parcel.
It's all in one right now. So, we're

981
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:35,440
just trying to basically make it our own
deal. And yeah, no plans to do anything

982
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:42,520
with the field. Just keep agriculture.
And yeah, that's it. Thank you.

983
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,520
» Thank you.

984
01:19:53,840 --> 01:20:02,239
Hello everyone. My name is Brian Mor, a
resident and I am an exact opposite of

985
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:07,600
all the the last three people that have
talked against Terara Strada. Um I did

986
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:13,360
send an email for everyone u multiple
city council everyone today saying in

987
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:17,679
support I mean we have as a city we
denied and we blocked other commercial

988
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:21,520
in there. It's funny how people don't
own the property but they want to

989
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:24,560
control how it it's impacted and used
for other people. It's like I don't

990
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:28,800
think they should have a say so in it.
We did do a general plan. What they're

991
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:33,760
doing is so I'll go ahead and read this.
I think that we need a commercial base

992
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:37,679
and we've lost gas stations that we
could be getting money on. So, everyone

993
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:43,280
is there's a there's a small group
that's very loud in this community and

994
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:46,400
they seem to always come up and want to
block everything. So, their their their

995
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,600
idea is let's just shut down this
project. They do it one at a time, but

996
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:53,920
nothing ever comes out of it other than
screwing up every deal. So, I I said my

997
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:56,960
name is Brian.
I'm here tonight because I strongly

998
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:01,199
support bringing Smith and the
development with it. Um, I love Hooper

999
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:06,159
and I understand why people want to
protect the character of the community.

1000
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:09,840
I want that, too. But protecting Hooper
doesn't mean we can ignore the reality

1001
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:14,480
of growth or the financial challenges
our city faces. Hooper operates on a

1002
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:18,159
tight budget and we have real
infrastructure needs ahead of us. Water,

1003
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:24,000
well, pump stations, road public safety,
and other services. Those things have to

1004
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:28,480
be paid for and we cannot continually
expect homeowners to carry all that

1005
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:32,320
burden. That's why I believe Smith and
the Harris water development is

1006
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:36,640
important to the city. This isn't just
about getting a grocery store. It's a

1007
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:40,560
quality ankle store that can generate
tax revenue, attract other good

1008
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:45,760
businesses, help participate in
infrastructure improvements that Hooker

1009
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:49,440
is going to need anyway. We also know
that the new highway is coming. That

1010
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:54,639
means more traffic that will be coming
through our area whether we approve

1011
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:58,560
Smith or not. So the question is, do we
simply want the traffic and wear and

1012
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:02,960
tear on our roads while those people
spend their money somewhere else or do

1013
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:08,239
we want to capture some of that economic
activity and put those tax dollars to

1014
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:14,000
work for Hooper? I respect those that
oppose the project and their concerns,

1015
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:19,840
but opposition to change cannot become
our long-term growth strategy. I do want

1016
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:23,600
commercial development. Um I don't want
commercial development everywhere. What

1017
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:28,880
I want is smart growth and the right
business at the right location under the

1018
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:33,920
right conditions. And I believe Smith is
one of those opportunities. Growth is

1019
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:37,840
coming. We can either react to it or we
can plan for it and make it work for our

1020
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:42,239
community. I encourage you to support
Smith and make the decision with

1021
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:45,840
Hooker's next 20-year vision in mind
when you decide.

1022
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:49,080
» Thank you.
Thank you.

1023
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,280
My name is Bruce Taylor.

1024
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:22,320
I'm here to talk about the Terara Strada
project. Terara Strada Steuart Adams

1025
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:27,520
said over a year ago he is not paying
for the lift station. Now he is still

1026
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:32,239
refusing to pay a penny towards it a
year and a half later. All the money he

1027
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:38,159
will make and he will not pay towards
the lift station. If you go back to the

1028
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:43,120
city council work meeting last month on
July 16th,

1029
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:48,000
every one of the council members had a
comment that we as Hooker should not be

1030
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:54,800
paying for a lift station that will
benefit Steuart Adams. For example,

1031
01:23:52,239 --> 01:24:00,639
David Craig had many concerns about this
one. One thing that he said was, "I feel

1032
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:04,560
we are giving our future earnings away
to pay for a lift station. And it should

1033
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:12,960
be Steuart Adams.
Del said, "So who's paid for this in the

1034
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:17,600
past? What developer did sold an improve
sold an improved lot?" Which means he

1035
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:22,239
the developer has already paid for the
infrastructure for the property that is

1036
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:27,679
being bought.
Brian Hills comments. Quote, "So I mean

1037
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:32,880
there's other developers that are going
to benefit from this lift station on

1038
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:36,880
4700 West." Doug Hamlin is still
chomping at the bit waiting for us to

1039
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:41,520
pay for a lift station so he can take
advantage of it. It's like why don't we

1040
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:45,840
go to these developers and say you need
to buy in, you need to buy in and you

1041
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:50,639
need to buy in so we can build this and
then you'll profit from the benefits of

1042
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:55,719
it rather than us paying for it and then
they get all the benefits. End of quote.

1043
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:04,120
Now, I'm going to direct my comments
towards the mayor just because this

1044
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:04,120
keeps coming up.

1045
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:11,920
This keeps coming up in meetings. She
says, quote, "But we have residents

1046
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:16,159
along 4700 that have been paying for a
sewer system now for a couple of

1047
01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:20,960
decades, and it has never came. The
sewer sewer has been here for over 20

1048
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:25,120
years in Hooker now, and they've been
paying because they hooked up to it."

1049
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:29,679
End of quote.
To be clear, 20 years ago, we were

1050
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:36,080
offered a reduced price if we would hook
up rather than pay later. That fee was

1051
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:40,639
$89 a house. The mayor keeps saying that
in many meetings, this makes it sound

1052
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:44,639
like we are paying a monthly fee to
flush our toilets and this is why we

1053
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:50,320
need a lift station.
That is not true. We did pay $89 one

1054
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:56,000
time if we chose to in hopes that it
would be cheaper when we are hooked up.

1055
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:59,600
We do not pay a monthly fee on 4,700
West to flush our toilets. We have

1056
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:03,719
septic tanks.
I think that comment's deceiving.

1057
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:11,159
All the risk on this development should
be on Terra Strada, not on Hoper City.

1058
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:18,679
» Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.

1059
01:26:19,199 --> 01:26:22,199
Any

1060
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,400
other citiz

1061
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:52,960
I'm one of a I guess small minority
that's got big mouths.

1062
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:56,239
I am not against growth. I'm not against
all the I've been to a lot of the

1063
01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:02,239
planning meetings, a lot of the city
council meetings. Um we had a developer

1064
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:06,560
a few years ago that came that shown us
what he wanted and I thought it was a

1065
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:12,880
great idea, but we we didn't the the
city council didn't approve it. My thing

1066
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:20,320
with Smiths is show me what it's all
going to look like, but you don't. So,

1067
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:23,199
what's you know, we we get it approved.
What's it going to look like? You know,

1068
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:28,880
we talk about nope, nope, nope, we're
not having apartments. Commercial, if

1069
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:33,199
you look on the internet, not everything
on the internet is true, but if you look

1070
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:39,520
on the internet, commercial is five
units or more. So, if we give them

1071
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:44,880
permission and say yes, we can't stop
them from building apartments because we

1072
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:49,679
already gave them permission to do that.
So, I would like to Show me all of it.

1073
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:55,239
Be transparent. Show me all the houses.
Show me the town homes.

1074
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:55,239
» Show me what it's going to look like.

1075
01:27:55,440 --> 01:28:00,080
» It's available.
>> Okay. I didn't know that.

1076
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:04,880
» Put it up on the screen.
>> Okay. Perfect. Okay. Thank you.

1077
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:10,440
» I didn't mean to cut you off.
>> No, that's okay.

1078
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:10,440
» You still have 60 seconds. Okay.

1079
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:42,800
My name is Nate Denny, 5176 West, 4000
South. Um, there's been a lot of horror

1080
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:47,120
stories described about how
low or high density subdivisions ruin

1081
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:52,080
communities and bring crime and all
those things. So I just wanted to paint

1082
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:57,679
a picture of how high density helped my
family and helped the community that I

1083
01:28:53,840 --> 01:29:02,080
live in. So I grew up in Leighton I when
I lived there wasn't an opportunity for

1084
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:08,719
me to to buy a home there when I started
my family. So me and my wife moved to

1085
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:12,639
West Haven in a home on 1000 acres, very
high density neighborhood. Um that

1086
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:18,000
provided us with an opportunity to fall
in love with the area with Hooper, West

1087
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:22,400
Haven, Taylor, the whole area. Um, from
there, because we were able to fall in

1088
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:27,600
love with the area, um, it allowed us an
opportunity to then find other

1089
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:31,280
opportunity here to stay in the area,
uh, to buy a permanent residence that'll

1090
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:36,080
hopefully be our forever home and what I
feel like hopefully is a positive impact

1091
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:40,239
on my community. So
yes, there is a potential that of some

1092
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:43,440
crime that might come from a high
density, but there also could be an

1093
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:47,360
offsetting positive influence that comes
into the community that allows

1094
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:51,199
opportunity for young families to fall
in love with the community. We we fell

1095
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:54,560
in love with Hopper for certain reasons.
And I think that there's an opportunity

1096
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:59,440
when anything like this is developed for
small families to build and fall in love

1097
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:02,840
with Hopper and provide positive impact
on the community.

1098
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:16,600
If you had the whole par

1099
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:26,960
as long as the chair's the chair's
meeting, so as long as he's okay, uh we

1100
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:31,800
just won't we just won't take any action
on it. But you can certainly explain it.

1101
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:37,360
for those of you
>> for those of you who are looking

1102
01:30:35,679 --> 01:30:42,400
obviously this is the property that's in
question. Um they have the larger

1103
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:49,040
commercial piece. The big building there
is a retail ger um with a fuel center at

1104
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:54,880
the bottom and then you have pads in
Lshape some along 4700 commercial pads

1105
01:30:52,080 --> 01:31:03,920
in Lshape along 4700 that go down along
5500 south. Um right there this is a

1106
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:08,239
conceptual drawing. Um their UD do's
going to have input on where the roads

1107
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:13,040
can go. This is what they have presented
this way. The portion behind the

1108
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:20,320
commercial piece is what is considered
as the PUD. Also conceptual um as the

1109
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:29,280
developer put something up there as we
deced similar to JDBC Ranch that is out

1110
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:34,480
in Plane City Far West area. Um
so that was their rendering there.

1111
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:40,560
Nothing on this is final as of what
would actually happen there and it would

1112
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:44,560
still come through the TRC and the
development process where the planning

1113
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:50,239
commission would all get to to see it
and overview and city council will be

1114
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:56,159
able to make their suggestions with that
uh development piece. Um so that's kind

1115
01:31:53,760 --> 01:32:01,920
of the project in that has been
presented here

1116
01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:06,960
in this way as a planning commission.
Our role is to make land use decisions.

1117
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:12,080
That's our legislative power. And so
they have they were coming for a request

1118
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:18,480
for a reasonzoning to open up the
general plan to create that PUD and the

1119
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:22,080
commercial area which commercial
coincides where we want the commercial

1120
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:28,719
in the future land use.
So that's kind of high level overview of

1121
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:35,440
what the project
was and that. So

1122
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:38,920
now back to citizen comment.
that I'd like to

1123
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:53,320
any other citizen.

1124
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:58,159
I I failed to mention this at the
beginning of the meeting, but we do

1125
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:02,480
appreciate your emails taking the time.
Appreciate taking the time coming out

1126
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:07,520
here tonight and expressing your views.
I always believe that I don't disagree.

1127
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:11,280
I I disagree with a lot of people,
especially with the people that I do

1128
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:16,320
business with. And when I do disagree,
it always seems that we get to the best

1129
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:20,320
decision for
um the business that we or the decision

1130
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:24,400
we're trying to make is when that
disagreement happens and can have that

1131
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:29,360
conversation back and forth. I think
that's where the best out output comes.

1132
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:33,760
So, I appreciate that you were cordial
in your emails

1133
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:37,120
and and shared your opinion that way as
we're just obviously up here

1134
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:41,360
volunteering our time as you're
volunteering your time tonight to come

1135
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:47,600
here to try to get what is best for the
city. So, I do appreciate appreciate you

1136
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:53,120
doing that. Um,
if there is no other citizen comment, I

1137
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:56,120
will entertain a motion to adjourn the
meeting.

1138
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:04,880
take a motion to
>> wait discussion. Are we adjourning or

1139
01:34:02,639 --> 01:34:08,440
are we going to discuss these
>> amongst us?

1140
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:16,239
» Yeah, I think the the most prudent
approach is to table it and not take any

1141
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:21,360
discussion on it tonight and then have
it either the uh special planning

1142
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:27,280
commission meeting on the 27th or that
first meeting in September for CB.

1143
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:30,719
Item C, D, and E.
>> Correct. Okay.

1144
01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:34,400
» Sorry.
>> So, would the special meeting just be a

1145
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:39,280
discussion or an action?
>> No, we hope we hope if if if the

1146
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:43,440
commission's available and if if the
commission chooses to do that uh on the

1147
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:49,920
27th, I think we could have it properly
noticed and you could take action on it.

1148
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:52,480
A full meeting with public a public
hearing and everything.

1149
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:56,320
» Yes, absolutely. We would have a public
hearing. So anybody that was here

1150
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:59,840
tonight could come back and and speak to
it. Even if they spoke tonight, they

1151
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:03,639
could come back and speak and anybody
new could come and speak.

1152
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:11,040
» We need to make a motion to table these
these three items.

1153
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:20,040
» You can just
and we'll notice it and we'll just

1154
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:20,040
presume or act as notice for the first

1155
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:34,480
So, a second to
[laughter]

1156
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:38,159
» we have a motion to adjourn from
Commissioner Wood and a second from

1157
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,159
Commissioner White. All in favor?
>> I