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What time is it, Natalie?

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» He said eight hours difference.

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They're seven hours ahead of us.

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» A little early in the morning. In other

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words,

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>> Larry said it's 1:00 in the morning over

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there.

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>> We'll go ahead and get started with our

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budget work meeting. We appreciate you

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being here. We're a little late getting

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started, but we want to

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» Okay. And we want to excuse David who's

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not with us tonight and Larry who will

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be on Zoom um if he can make it. So

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we're going to turn the time tonight

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over to our city treasurer Cammy Moss

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Okay, I'm good. There we go. Okay.

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Just want to make sure we're

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okay. Well, we'll make it work, right?

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Okay. So,

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um the purpose of this meeting is for

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you guys to give me direction as to

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what's important for you so that then I

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can devise the budget in such a way that

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it accommodates the things that are

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important to you as the council.

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Um, I've gone through like I did the

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previous year with Jared and we've said,

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"Okay, these are the projects that we

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find are important for the city or need

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to be done in various capacities

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um and discussed those things. And then

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we've also looked at um

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where the budget is at and tried to see

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if there was any places we needed to

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adjust. So tonight I thought we would

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start pro more so with um our enterprise

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funds more so the storm water and then

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maybe do garbage and sewer and then if

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we can talk about the roads. Um but

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first off

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uh I wanted to bring one thing to your

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for your um discussion that I needed to

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kind of get some direction on and that

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is um employees wages for this coming

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year. Um

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and this is this is something that

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drives a lot of the budget. So, I want

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to make sure that we

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I have a clear understanding of what the

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council's intentions are with that. Um,

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of course, this is our wish list. I'll

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put it together, see how close we come,

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and then from there, we start cutting

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and adding and manipulating. Okay? But

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this gives me a good basis to start to

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give you something that is meaningful.

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So, um, currently I've got the current

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wages, benefits, and then, um, the total

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on here for each department and such.

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And then we looked on the workforce

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service website. Uh, cost of living is

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2.6.

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we just rounded it up to three for cost

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of living. We could definitely do 2.6,

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living is what we figured. And with

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that, it does increase the over the

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overall budget for the city with wages

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by 66,000.

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Then we kind of ran a couple other just

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thought processes. And if anybody wants

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me to do something different, please

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feel free to say this is what this point

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of the meeting is, is to get direction.

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But I ran a scenario that if um there

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was 3% and 2%

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um

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merit for everybody, it would then cost

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us another 20. If we went 3% and then 4%

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for anybody that was making under 25 and

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2% for the rest of the employees, it

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would be 26 more than just the cost of

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living. And then we did um 3% plus 6%

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for anybody under 25 and 4% for anybody

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under 30 and 2% for the rest and it'd be

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what what's your thoughts? What are you

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guys wanting to see? Of course, how you

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administer it is a different thing, but

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what what type of

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this year?

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gate, I think that's kind of a given

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anymore.

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>> and at 3% I don't see a problem. That's

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usually what it's been.

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two, but like I said, it was 2.6 on the

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state um website. I just went with

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So are we thinking just the 3% or do we

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want to give employees and again this

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the merit is meant to budget that you

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can give the employees more but it does

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not mean that they get it. It's up to

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you guys to know how to manage it.

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and how to determine who gets what or if

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they're done something to, you know,

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merit that merit increase.

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the employees? I I haven't talked to a

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lot of them. What's their thoughts on

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stuff? Do I guess my question kind of is

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are we in any danger of somebody walking

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because they need more money

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everybody. You're looking about a dollar

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an hour per person.

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>> At least um not very much more than that

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for your lower end employees.

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at what point did the lower end

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employees at least get a dollar an hour

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a piece? Now, some of your higher end

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would be more like $2 an hour, but your

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lower end employees, and that's why I

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kind of ran these other ones saying,

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"Okay, maybe those lower end guys need a

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little bit more, you know, and there's

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nothing saying we couldn't do 2% for

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everybody under 25 or under 30, you

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know, but um I basically was looking for

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what would give those lowerend guys or

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and gals employ at least a $1 raise and

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that's that gave everybody pretty close

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to a $1 raise at least

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>> which actually minimum

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>> so we have really great hardworking

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employees that do a lot of jobs you know

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if we had

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more money and we had a bigger staff but

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we have employees that are doing

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multiple jobs because they have to So,

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I'm always in favor if we can of giving

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our employees raises. We have some of

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our employees that have been here for

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quite some time and are still making

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not very good comparative

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and that's always a concern with

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municipalities because everyone

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struggles. But people do leave if they

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can get a job where they make more

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money.

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>> Well, we may not be able to match, you

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know, what they can get going somewhere

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else, but man, I would sure like to if

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there's, you know, if there's a way to

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keep somebody that's already trained and

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rocking and rolling. I mean, I think if

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we're going to have a budget item that

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we need to deal with,

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employees are the most important. I I

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mean, I know we need equipment, stuff

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like that, but if we don't have somebody

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knows how to run it, doesn't matter what

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equipment we have. If

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decent equipment, then it's not going to

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matter. And and people in the office

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that know what they're doing is

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very valuable as far as I'm concerned

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>> because I have to ask a lot of dumb

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questions and they can usually answer

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them.

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>> Well, and I know Jared's worked with

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them. You know, we had a couple that are

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working on their CDL license. You know,

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there's there we're really trying to get

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them trained. So, we want to get them

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trained and then we want the job to be

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worth it so they stay.

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training for their CDL? the city paid

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>> Yes, that was last year. Gave them.

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>> Yeah. And as part of the budget, I would

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foresee that we would decrease the

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training a little bit this year because,

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and then I in my brain, and again, this

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is not my decision.

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>> You know, you're decreasing your

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training amount for maybe you're

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training some newer guys, so you don't

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need as much.

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little bit. I don't know. But that's in my brain what happens.

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>> Have we got a lot of training we need to

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>> right? Not per se that is going to be

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costing. I mean a lot of the training we

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need to do is in house. So I think we

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could I agree with Cammy. We could

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reduce our expense budget for that. I

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mean, there's some training we can do

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that we send the classes that they

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charge, but I think we'd be safe to trim

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that a little bit.

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A lot of like the technical stuff, the

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sewer, we're not going to go to a class

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and learn how to operate that system.

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They're going to learn by doing it.

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>> And that that's one of those things

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where employer retention is key because

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it's literally going to take you a few

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years before you're valable. operating

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that. And if you don't like it one day

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and you look at another city and they're

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$3 an hour more, you're gone. You're

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>> And we did lose two employees this last

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year. One to another city and one to

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private.

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Well, private is going to be really hard

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to compete with today's economy,

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>> you know, and I mean the benefits are

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wonderful and the URS is amazing, but at

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the end of the day, does that put bread

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>> you know, and that's that's the question

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a lot of these young kids are asking.

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>> Correct me if I'm wrong. Actually, to

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one of our new planning commission

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members is quite helpful with the sewer,

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didn't you? Was there one of the guys on

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the planning commission?

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>> Oh, Nate. Nate knows a lot about the

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gravity sewer especially. Yeah, he's

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>> much on the on the vacuum but

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>> we we're one of only like a few in the

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nation, right? Of the

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>> not in the nation there's quite a few

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around here like Florida has a lot but

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Western Mississippi. Yeah.

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>> We're special. Okay.

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And that that's not the only I if you

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look at the like hourly wage some of our

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lower end guys I mean they really can go

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anywhere. I get McDonald's a lot there's

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a note in the window there to start for

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$20 an hour and we're what's our lower

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end guys making

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>> around 20 22

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>> yeah we I think we maybe have a couple

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that are

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>> Have we had them for a while? I'm not

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really sure how long we've had it for

280
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>> some of them. Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Yeah.

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sense to try and keep them.

283
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>> Yeah, that's what I think.

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>> I don't want to do all the talking.

285
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>> So, my question is, do we have an

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increased revenue stream somewhere

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that's going to

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>> offset this?

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>> Not necessarily.

290
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>> So, we're going to have to rob Peter to

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pay Paul basically.

292
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>> How much do we have in training this

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year?

294
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>> Um

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overall, but let's look.

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Well, so for fiscal year

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26 you're meaning

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>> um

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>> or 25

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>> both actually.

301
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>> Yeah. So okay so training

302
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>> just 4,000

303
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>> 4,000 for that one because you got to

304
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remember we got all these department

305
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>> so I kind of have to add them up.

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There's 10,000 there.

307
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» Yeah, just under 15 so far.

308
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>> Yeah.

309
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And then you know we have also ensu some

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training

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right there.

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or 35

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>> 35 so that's 18

314
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>> which I guess if we trimmed all of that pretty much does that

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>> so 66

316
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» but you know I mean I'm not saying

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that's what we have to do I'm just

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throwing the ideas out like I said this

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is your budget not mine and that's why I

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want to know what's important to you

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and maybe we talk about where our

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capital projects are and what projects

323
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we're going to fund and then come back

324
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to this. Do you want to go that route

325
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so you can give me better direction on

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it?

327
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>> Well, there'd be a lot more money tied

328
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up in capital projects for sure where we

329
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might be able to peel a little off

330
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unless I'm missing my

331
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>> possibly. Yeah.

332
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>> Sorry.

333
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Well, I think our our employees, just

334
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like you said, are really one of our

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most essential assets.

336
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>> And we really do get them when we start

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to train them and we think, "Oh, good.

338
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They're going to be here." And I, you

339
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know, I certainly understand if they can

340
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go to another city and make more money,

341
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but then we're starting over with

342
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someone. And so it would, I think

343
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whatever we could do would be really

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>> okay with option C.

345
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The one I highlighted.

346
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>> No, the next one.

347
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>> Oh, the next one.

348
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>> 92,000.

349
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>> Three.

350
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>> You know, I can't read that option. See?

351
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Clear to the left.

352
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>> Oh, sorry. Yeah. So, let me make that

353
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wider. Sorry. So, it'd be 3%. This was

354
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the the like to me the what we would

355
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dream of is basically 3% for everybody,

356
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6% Sorry, just the one above.

357
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>> Oh, okay. The one above.

358
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>> So, this would be 4% for anybody under

359
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$25 an hour and 2% for the rest of the

360
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employees.

361
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>> Yeah, like I said, administering it,

362
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that's your choice on how to administer

363
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it. And I definitely would encourage

364
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coming up with some type of a, you know,

365
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system or if you're going to trust it,

366
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you know, the department head to make

367
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that decision. You know, that's

368
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something you have to decide. I just

369
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need to know what to put in the budget

370
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that would, you know, know worst case

371
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scenario.

372
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>> So,

373
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>> I I personally I think the cost of

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living obviously I think that's probably

375
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hit us more lately than with the

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inflation than it ever has before. I

377
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think everybody's

378
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understands that. And then the other

379
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part I like performancedriven merit like

380
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give them a goal or two to meet. We've

381
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done some of that this year and it's

382
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worked well.

383
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>> Don't just give it to them. So hold off

384
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the 4% until you come up with

385
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>> Yeah. Give them a couple of goals and

386
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once they meet it, then we go ahead and

387
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reward them for what they've done.

388
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>> Yeah. Because we've talked about doing

389
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evaluations, but it's hard to say here's

390
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your evaluation, but

391
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>> thank you,

392
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>> you know, if there's nothing to go along

393
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with it. So it'd be good to have

394
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something.

395
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>> Okay. So this the orange one is what our

396
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goal that we're thinking is if we can

397
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make it work. This is all if. Okay. But

398
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this is giving me an idea what your goal

399
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are as a council. Okay.

400
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So, I'll anything in orange I'm

401
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going I'm doing tonight because I'm

402
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wearing orange, right? That's how I'm

403
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going to remember. So, okay. Um so,

404
00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,480
let's let's go to our storm water

405
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because that's just not going to be a

406
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whole big huge I don't think. Um the

407
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storm water one. We have this big

408
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project and that number is wrong. Sorry,

409
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I didn't update that one.

410
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,430
>> Um,

411
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we have this big project over in which

412
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subdivision?

413
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>> It's on 5900 around the Bend

414
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>> Green Landing where they have offered

415
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the developers offered to help with some

416
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of it. We pushed it down the road last

417
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year.

418
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I From what Jared says, we're going to

419
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lose out on it if we don't

420
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>> for their last phase currently. So, if

421
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we want to tie

422
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>> That's tie this to that phase, this is

423
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the year we need to get it done.

424
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>> And what like amounts does that?

425
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>> So, he's offered to do the labor and I

426
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think he gave us gave us or offered to

427
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give us I'm not sure if we've collected

428
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it yet. 20,000. ring a bell

429
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>> in cash and then we buy the parts and he

430
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lays it and does the labor. So

431
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,360
>> boxes, pipe, gravel, we pretty much

432
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everything besides laying it and then

433
00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:07,919
equipment to lay it he's going to do

434
00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:11,039
which is significant. I would off the

435
00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:13,280
cuff think that might double or not

436
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quite double if that was just a

437
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,640
municipal project out for bit. So he's donating a significant amount to

438
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,320
the project.

439
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,280
>> Will he uh provide the manpower to take

440
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care of the road? You know, flag

441
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,000
flagmen. Will he take care of that too?

442
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,360
>> We really haven't drilled that down. Um

443
00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:35,840
the exact that that's kind of what he

444
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,160
committed to a previous council in a

445
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,559
nutshell. We haven't drilled it down to

446
00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:43,760
all the nuts and bolts.

447
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,080
>> And I think we did have some ARP funds,

448
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,320
didn't we? So that Let me let me jump

449
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,000
over to that storm water and maybe this

450
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,880
will help with that discussion. Okay,

451
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,840
>> so I took a real rough stab at what you

452
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,000
know I thought maybe we could think

453
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about.

454
00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:04,559
>> Um and again I'm not the elected person

455
00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:06,480
so you guys tell me where you want to

456
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,400
go. But um just a second. I'm trying to

457
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,559
get it so it will freeze this and I

458
00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:15,440
can't do it with the

459
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:27,280
Okay, there we go. Okay. So, if we

460
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increased our rates from $6 to $8, which

461
00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:36,240
is $2 more, we used the 165 that we have

462
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,159
left of

463
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it's

464
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,400
money that was originally given to us

465
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with ARPA, but we have to be careful how

466
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,280
we say that because we've spent it with

467
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how we got reimbured. So, it's kind of

468
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,039
that rainy day we set aside. Okay. Um,

469
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and then I figured about 32 with

470
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,039
interest based on this year's interest.

471
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We kind of talked about me and Jared

472
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about what expenses Jared felt would be

473
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good there. And then this is with the

474
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,799
other scenario, the one that I had in

475
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yellow on the wages. If we did that, we

476
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,159
would be negative 623

477
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on our funds. So, we would have to use

478
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,720
623,000

479
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,880
of fund balance,

480
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,240
which we have that we have 6865

481
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,200
as of the end of fiscal 25.

482
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Then if I count for the income from 26

483
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,320
like we budgeted, the expenses like we

484
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,200
budgeted for 26, then that would be our

485
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,880
beginning fund balance for fiscal year

486
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um our ending fund balance for fiscal

487
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,200
year 26. So we would have 81,000 kind of

488
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,760
sitting there that we could draw. We

489
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,760
wouldn't go negative, but we would only

490
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,320
have $188,000

491
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,679
in that fund balance. That means this

492
00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:01,360
would be the only we have from that fund

493
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,919
until we get that built back up and it's

494
00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:05,360
going to take a while to build that back

495
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:06,960
up.

496
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,640
Um, again, that's

497
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,799
>> we we know we have other needs. I think

498
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,280
I prepared probably been a year or two

499
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,559
ago a list of like 13

500
00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:20,960
>> storm drain related projects that could

501
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,559
fail at any time. Um, I guess the what

502
00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:27,039
makes this maybe more urgent is the

503
00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:28,559
participation

504
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,400
what we're going to get from the private

505
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,200
side.

506
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,360
>> Remind us what this project does for us.

507
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:34,559
What does this accomplish?

508
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:37,440
>> So, it it's really regional. All the

509
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,159
water on 5900 and kind of that corner of

510
00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:44,480
town goes down 5900 and then turns west

511
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,720
and goes out to the south fork of the

512
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,000
Weber River. And it's really und sized

513
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
when we like in the drought right now

514
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,080
it's not a big deal but when we get a

515
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,200
regular winter and it's running off

516
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,240
sometimes that'll run over capacity for

517
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,840
two or three weeks.

518
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,400
>> Where does it go?

519
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,080
>> Oh that's where it goes.

520
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,760
>> Where does it go to right now?

521
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,039
>> Out to the south of the river. So it

522
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:16,480
goes clear to the end of 59 and then it turns west and

523
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,120
goes across the north boundary of that

524
00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:22,320
bird's property.

525
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,200
>> This is one of that deal where when you

526
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,400
put a detention pond in it never dry up

527
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,960
and it was kind of an agreement that if

528
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,280
he laid this pipe then he wouldn't have

529
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,039
to put the detention pond in. So the

530
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:39,200
storm drain would be fed into this pipe.

531
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,440
>> So he was able to

532
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,919
So, this increases the capacity for

533
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:47,679
>> and it's

534
00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:50,080
not all this development's fault, but we

535
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,120
the at the time the council wasn't real

536
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,520
comfortable with adding to that until it

537
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,520
was taken care of. So, I think it's

538
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,320
probably

539
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,720
his share and maybe even some to for

540
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,400
what he's doing because it does serve

541
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,590
way more than his property.

542
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,159
Yeah, this is clear to the I call it the

543
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:14,799
burnt church. I'm not sure what off that

544
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,200
is, but all of that drainage.

545
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,120
>> So, it comes from the burnt church

546
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,919
north. Okay. Doesn't that ditch that

547
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,080
drain ditch because I had cows at the

548
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,640
end of that year ago. Doesn't that go

549
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,760
clear out into the old bell

550
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,480
that drain ditch?

551
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,200
>> Um, so there there's another key there.

552
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,360
There's a water ride off the end of that

553
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,559
for Dean Murray. That used to be who

554
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,039
done that?

555
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:42,159
>> Yeah.

556
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:43,520
>> So, there is a ditch that goes that

557
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,720
that's his ours right now goes on an

558
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,080
angle from 3800

559
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,120
across that private property over to

560
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,760
that north boundary and goes west. We're

561
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,919
going to make it a straight. We've made

562
00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:00,400
an agreement with that fellow that we

563
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,679
will move it to his boundary.

564
00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:05,919
>> So the new subdivision by the church,

565
00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:08,880
the M church, so their storm water will

566
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,400
go into this project.

567
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,840
>> It historically has. We've actually

568
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,440
worked with them and we're going to take

569
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,360
that storm drain back to the Slooh

570
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,200
because the Slooh is so deep right close

571
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,159
to them. Okay.

572
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:21,919
>> Rather than have to work out some kind

573
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:24,000
of piping or maintenance agreement all

574
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,279
the way to the end of 59.

575
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:28,880
work

576
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,799
south to this and only going to take it

577
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,400
about a quarter month.

578
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,279
>> Yeah.

579
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:36,000
>> The one thing that we were hoping to do

580
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,120
as well though and this might be also

581
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:42,640
helpful to think of but we have this um

582
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,000
impact fee study that's going.

583
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,159
We are getting word that it probably

584
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,400
won't be done by the end of fiscal year

585
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,279
26. So we may have to shift it. But I'm

586
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,039
not going to budget for it because if

587
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,440
anything we're shifting from one year to

588
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,039
the next and we've already budgeted it

589
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,039
in the previous year. So, we maybe

590
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,039
think, okay, well, we're adding to fund

591
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,480
balance previous year. We're going to

592
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,520
use fund balance, you know, why why um

593
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,320
budget for it in two years, you know, um

594
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,039
if we're not spending it. So that being

595
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,080
said, you know, if once we get our

596
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,240
impact fee,

597
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,080
maybe some of these projects that are

598
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,559
increasing capacity, we can use that

599
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,799
for.

600
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,360
I almost wonder if we couldn't determine

601
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,159
how much the increased capacity is on

602
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,080
this project

603
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,520
and as soon as the impact fee is done,

604
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,720
we pre-spend impact fees for that.

605
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,240
reimburse that fund,

606
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,159
>> but I don't have that study yet to know,

607
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,960
you know, so maybe we try and really

608
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,200
push this impact fee to get done first.

609
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,960
And if they can get it done by the end

610
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,039
of the year, then we can pre-spend some

611
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,039
impact fees.

612
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:02,799
True. We still don't want to go

613
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,559
negative, but we have another revenue

614
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,080
source. Do you see my thought?

615
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,000
>> So the 120 we haven't spent this year,

616
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,679
nor what do we spend this year? You're

617
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:11,360
thinking 27.

618
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,240
>> I So, I'm leaving it in this year's

619
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,880
budget, but if they don't have the

620
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,520
project done, then we would have to

621
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,080
amend the budget and put it here. But my

622
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,320
thought is if you didn't spend it here,

623
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,200
you're adding to fund balance for 120.

624
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,679
So, you take 120 away from fund balance

625
00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:34,000
the following year. If that makes sense.

626
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,840
So, you add it to the pot. Now, you're

627
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,679
taking it the next year. So, I didn't

628
00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:39,840
want to use this year's revenue when we

629
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,000
already used last year's revenue for

630
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,799
that project. I see what my thought was.

631
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:46,960
Does that make sense? Hopefully,

632
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,960
>> Jared. And here's those that list. I

633
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,720
don't know if these have changed or

634
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,760
they're still there.

635
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,360
>> They're still there. There's probably

636
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:54,399
more.

637
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:56,399
>> As I say, I don't think they

638
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:58,320
>> One thing just kind of to keep in mind

639
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,320
that we've changed the last couple of

640
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,360
years. So storm I want you to recognize

641
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,520
the difference between storm drain and

642
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,480
storm water. So the storm drain is the

643
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,880
utility out there the pipes that that

644
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,679
actually drain whatever we're draining.

645
00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:16,559
The storm water is the program and the

646
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:19,360
clean water act and the administering

647
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,679
that that we just got audited on with

648
00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:23,760
the state that that so they're two

649
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,919
separate things and we've kind of

650
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:27,600
combined them. Historically, we've

651
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,720
funded storm drain from the general fund

652
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,679
in the streets department. And now we've

653
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:37,200
separated that out and use

654
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,360
fund both of them with storm water,

655
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,080
which we can do. And it's probably a

656
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,559
better view of what we're really doing.

657
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,720
>> But that's kind of the difference

658
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,840
between the last few years budgets and

659
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:50,880
this one.

660
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,039
>> And in the past, we had them all in the

661
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,399
utility fund, which we broke out. So,

662
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:58,320
Yes, you're exactly right. And there's

663
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,960
nothing saying that we can't use some

664
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,000
general fund money to fund storm water

665
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,720
projects if we need to. It's the vice

666
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,039
versa that gets fun and interesting. But

667
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,440
if you can use general fund things to

668
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,240
fund enterprise funds. So we could if we

669
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,120
needed to look at some of that, but you

670
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,960
know um and I kind of looked around. I

671
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,640
didn't necessarily call a bunch of

672
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520
cities, but I know quite a few cities

673
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:35,279
are around $8, if not more for the fee.

674
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,840
So, really changing from six to eight is

675
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,600
not unheard of. We're not going to, you

676
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,320
know, be the highest one in the town or

677
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,120
in the not town, but in the state by

678
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:47,600
going

679
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,840
>> So, if you two bucks a month, that's $24

680
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,200
a year basically.

681
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,470
>> That's essentially

682
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,919
$30.

683
00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:03,190
>> Wow.

684
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,039
» We We do need to have get some because

685
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:06,559
we have no idea when any of these are

686
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,200
going to fit because Jared gave us this

687
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,600
list two years ago

688
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,789
>> and we haven't fixed any of them.

689
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:19,440
» Yeah. a lot of I I think this storm

690
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,039
drain something that never really had

691
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,880
its own funding source and its own

692
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,799
backing financially and so it got

693
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,279
neglected but a lot of the pipes we work

694
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,000
on that fail or you know the neighbors

695
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,399
will come out oh they put that in in

696
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:36,960
1950 or so I mean they're old

697
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,440
>> that's being generous

698
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,440
>> so yeah we're

699
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,200
>> and you think about it it's just like a

700
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,840
water system or a sewer system all the

701
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,480
piping it takes just as much piping for

702
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,559
storm drain as it does for any other

703
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,480
utility. So

704
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,480
>> to not have a funding source doesn't

705
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,480
make a lot of common sense.

706
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,559
>> How many attachments do we have to the

707
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:02,640
or how many residents that are victim of

708
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,200
the storm?

709
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,640
>> Um so I have 2902

710
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,399
yeah connections

711
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:10,880
>> and then I figured $88 fee that would be

712
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,520
our monthly income. So

713
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,320
>> you already did that. I was just

714
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,799
Did we account for any of the audit? We

715
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,520
still have some audit expenses. Have we

716
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,520
accounted for any of them in here? As

717
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,559
far as the

718
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,679
>> I think that was somewhat to do with

719
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:31,039
some of these increases. Um engineering

720
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:32,799
we increased.

721
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,320
>> What did we decide on that?

722
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,360
>> I think our expense was the

723
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,200
>> we were kind of up in the air when you

724
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,159
left that day.

725
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:40,480
>> Yeah.

726
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,919
>> As to what direction

727
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:44,240
>> and I know Larry had council member

728
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,240
Rapto had talked about But I think it

729
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,240
ended up being a lot bigger of a

730
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,389
project.

731
00:31:52,399 --> 00:31:54,720
» We got him. We got him the golf cart

732
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120
ready and the GPS unit. He's done quite

733
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:57,760
a bit.

734
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,320
>> Really?

735
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,919
>> Yes.

736
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:02,320
>> Like I would even volunteer some hours

737
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,039
if you needed somebody else to help.

738
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,360
>> Yeah. I I think we're going to get data

739
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:07,919
collected.

740
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:09,039
>> Well, that's what we're doing.

741
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,919
>> We were looking at like 70 $80,000 to

742
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:13,120
have JV do it.

743
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,919
>> Yeah. It was a lot. They'll still

744
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:17,600
compile it. They just won't have an

745
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,000
employee out here shooting all the

746
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,120
points. We're going to

747
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,880
>> Yeah, Larry's done the math on it and he

748
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,519
basically has 64 miles of drive because

749
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,600
you got to do both sides of the road,

750
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,720
>> yada yada. But I will tell you that is

751
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,200
probably to our advantage that he got

752
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,360
involved because Jub was actually

753
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,799
their guy was going to monitor

754
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:40,799
irrigation ditches and stuff like that

755
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:42,080
because he didn't know what was

756
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,039
irrigation ditches and what were storm

757
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,440
water ditches. He was telling Larry the

758
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,720
one day because they went around and

759
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,840
looked at some of the stuff and the

760
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,039
guy's like, "Well, you got to do this

761
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:52,000
one." Larry's like, "No, that's

762
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,080
irrigation ditch." Like, you know, kind

763
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,480
of like maybe on yours down here in 5900

764
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,159
on that side of the road. You know,

765
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:00,000
that's not the ditch that we needed

766
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,399
done, but they were going to do it and

767
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:04,399
have bills back for it. So, even just

768
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:06,480
having Larry ride around with him

769
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,799
>> saved us some hassles down the road

770
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,440
because they frankly didn't know what

771
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,200
was what.

772
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,039
>> Interesting.

773
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,519
Good to know.

774
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,200
>> So,

775
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,039
I kind of think

776
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:22,559
>> then we're at the

777
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,519
>> pretty simple. It's pretty simple.

778
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,720
>> Um, so we're kind of saying yes on the

779
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360
880. We want to budget for that. That's

780
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,120
a priority to the council.

781
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,360
>> Is that number one priority?

782
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,360
>> Like I said, the biggest thing there is

783
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,000
if we pass on that, I think we're going

784
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
to probably lose our commitment or at

785
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,840
least it's going to be to get it and and

786
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,679
that price doubles in the future

787
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,080
roughly. Not quite, but

788
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,320
>> And do you think you could maybe push

789
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,320
Jub to get this one done? And like I

790
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,640
said, we could pre-spend impact fees.

791
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,519
Give us another

792
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:59,120
>> I can ask him. I have no idea.

793
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,559
>> It's not designed yet.

794
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,880
>> Oh, it's designed. She's talking about

795
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,159
the impact fee study.

796
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:05,440
>> The impact fee study. Yeah.

797
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,279
>> So J

798
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,359
part and then they'll send it to Cody

799
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:11,760
for the financial and I don't know how

800
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,399
long that takes. I I can talk to Taylor

801
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:16,480
and see what timeline we're looking at

802
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,399
>> because, you know, if we could get

803
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:21,200
charging that fee for some of these

804
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,119
projects out there that are getting

805
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,200
developed,

806
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,879
we can use it for their

807
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:28,639
>> So, I I do have a curiosity question on

808
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,320
Dale. You mentioned that he got an extra

809
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,720
lot because he didn't have to put in the

810
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:33,520
retention.

811
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,960
>> Retention.

812
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,839
>> Okay. Are we getting any how much bang

813
00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:39,359
for our buck are we getting back out of

814
00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:39,679
that?

815
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,440
>> Well, that's where he's going to lay all

816
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,359
the pipe. Okay. Yeah. So, that's going

817
00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:45,520
to take care of And

818
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,040
>> are you good with that? Cuz you've been

819
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:47,760
involved.

820
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,000
>> Yeah. I I think we felt real good.

821
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,560
>> Okay.

822
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,879
>> We honestly couldn't get the couldn't

823
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:55,200
get the detention basing to work there.

824
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,679
>> Yeah.

825
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,400
>> And we're like then Tracy kind of came

826
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,160
Tracy Allen came up with the idea, why

827
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,240
don't we have you improve some

828
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,440
downstream to handle it that you don't

829
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,280
need detention? And he's like, yeah,

830
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,440
that'll work. So,

831
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,320
>> I have not been involved in

832
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,079
And it's good to know that the reason it

833
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:18,470
wouldn't work because it was never dry.

834
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:18,960
» Yeah.

835
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,119
>> But deep enough for all the homes to

836
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,160
drain into that.

837
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,200
>> It was full of water.

838
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,440
>> It was

839
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,400
sense.

840
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,680
>> Yeah. That's why I just have to yield to

841
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,760
you if you're involved in the other

842
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,760
component there, not to get off on a

843
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,680
tangent. So there's land drain in there

844
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,320
to drain those homes and it has to have

845
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,040
this system in to find the outfall for

846
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,320
it. And so before we have a wet year, it

847
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,800
would be good to get that done or them

848
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,960
homes and they might have some risk

849
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:53,109
>> and then we are responsible, right?

850
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,440
» And he's applied for phase two. We're in

851
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,040
phase two right now.

852
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,550
>> So

853
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,000
» yeah, it's kind of

854
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,560
>> Yeah. Well, I think it's

855
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,599
>> off for quite a few years.

856
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,960
>> You guys are more versed on. So, how do

857
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,880
you feel about going from the six to the

858
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,400
eight then?

859
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,200
>> How do you

860
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,160
>> It's necessary.

861
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,119
>> Yeah, I can see how there's no

862
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,040
about that. That doesn't make

863
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,480
>> it. Yeah.

864
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,560
>> And we know it's not like a band-aid

865
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,160
that we can pull some money out of

866
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,839
savings and then we're done. We know

867
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:28,560
we've got projects lined up that need

868
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,520
funding.

869
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,680
>> Yeah. And we're already pulling as much

870
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,839
as I would dare even let you pull out of

871
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:36,400
savings, you know, because you're only

872
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,040
sitting 88 after that, you know, so

873
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,560
roughly 200

874
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,560
>> after we do this. It's not a whole lot

875
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,599
of money,

876
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,680
>> even though we'd like to think it is,

877
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,320
but it's not when you're talking

878
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,480
>> business or cities.

879
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,839
>> So,

880
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:54,160
>> yeah. So, really, if we could get that

881
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,400
additional revenue source, that would

882
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,079
before we improve anything else that,

883
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,240
you know, any of it would help

884
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,000
>> that revenue source

885
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,119
>> for that impact.

886
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:11,520
Okay. So, that's that one. Then, um I'm

887
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,119
going to just jump to garbage real

888
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:14,880
quick. And that's not one of your

889
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,640
printouts because it doesn't really have

890
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,000
any capital plans, but I'll just kind of

891
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
give you a lowown what I know so far

892
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,320
with garbage. And then we'll jump into

893
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,400
the big bag one is the sewer, of course.

894
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,000
So, um right now our garbage fee for

895
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,599
regular can is $13.50.

896
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:39,200
Um, for a second can it's $9. For a

897
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,000
recycling can it's $750.

898
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,119
Um, we are told that we're going to have

899
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:50,960
a 5% increase in these services. Our um

900
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,560
garbage contract fee, our recycling fee,

901
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,280
and our tipping fee. And then

902
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,280
>> 5% each one.

903
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,640
>> So Okay.

904
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,400
>> Yeah. So about 15%.

905
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,160
>> And we're not sure yet on tipping, but

906
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,040
we thought we build it in because we

907
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,800
don't know. It'll all depend on what

908
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,359
happens with the waste.

909
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:12,880
>> Yeah. And that might

910
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,480
>> if they shut it down or not.

911
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,240
>> Yeah. So 5% might be conservative, but

912
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:19,920
you know, a budget is not a written

913
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,920
document that we have written in stone.

914
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,560
We have to manipulate it throughout the

915
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,640
year. If something drastic like that

916
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,720
happened and it went up or if it went

917
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,640
down, I'm not opposed to going down on

918
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,640
things by all means. So with that, I

919
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,800
kind of ran some numbers and right now

920
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,920
what I'm looking at is possibly

921
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,560
increasing. This is this year. This is

922
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,800
what I'm thinking about. And then this

923
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,720
is the amount of the increase and the

924
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,000
percentage wise. So I was thinking from

925
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,520
for can we'd go to 625.

926
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,760
Second can or 1625. Second can would be

927
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,599
1175.

928
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,040
Recycling would go to 1050. So that

929
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,079
gives your regular garbages a 275

930
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,800
increase and your recycling a $3

931
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,720
increase.

932
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,200
>> So the food's only 15%. Why are we doing

933
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,119
20 30 40?

934
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:24,230
>> Um well so also we have

935
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,839
increased.

936
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:29,520
Oh, another thing. Yeah, we'll get to

937
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,440
that just

938
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,200
don't forget. Let me forget to talk

939
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,880
about the paper thing.

940
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,829
>> Um, a little bit of wages.

941
00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:43,190
So,

942
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,240
this formula is just 5% increase from

943
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,920
there.

944
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,560
5% increase there, 5% there.

945
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,599
And it does end up closer to those

946
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,599
percentages.

947
00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:59,760
>> Do you want to talk about the paperless

948
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,560
or not? Right now

949
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,200
>> in just one second. That was the thing I thought of like we'll come back to

950
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,230
that. So

951
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,320
I'm not sure why it equates that, but

952
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,520
this is the number of cans we build

953
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,800
for each one

954
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,200
of the services.

955
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:28,870
And that's the percentage of the total.

956
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,079
But that's what I

957
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,280
>> So is the second one. 2900 is who has

958
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,640
two cans.

959
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,000
>> Two or more counts.

960
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,040
>> Okay. There more there than regular.

961
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,839
>> Yeah.

962
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:41,520
>> Cuz some people have three, some people

963
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,440
have four, five.

964
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,599
>> So the people that have two aren't in

965
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:47,280
the regular category.

966
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,800
>> No, they're in the regular, too. These

967
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,280
are the number of cans. So the number of

968
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,119
first cans is 1406. The number of second

969
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,960
cans. No.

970
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,000
>> How do we have more second?

971
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:00,400
>> Right.

972
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,160
>> But do you say second, third, fourth,

973
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,119
and fifth? So it could be

974
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,480
>> Yeah, that's the amount of

975
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,520
>> 2900 must not be in regular. They must

976
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,760
just be who has two or more.

977
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,359
>> Yeah, I think you're right. I think

978
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:15,359
that's where my problem is. I think

979
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:17,760
you're 100% correct.

980
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:23,349
>> So second would be like

981
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:27,270
Yeah, because

982
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,480
well the first counts would be

983
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,839
>> more than that You have 2900

984
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:34,800
more.

985
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,079
>> I think those numbers are just

986
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,280
flip-flops.

987
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
>> Yeah, first one, 1400.

988
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,440
>> The second one would make a lot more

989
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,470
sense.

990
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,200
» Let me look at this. It's going to be

991
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,839
about the same. Yeah. 29. I was going to

992
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:51,119
say it's going to be about the same as

993
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,359
the storm water. So, yeah, I think

994
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:55,839
you're exactly right.

995
00:41:55,839 --> 00:42:01,510
Okay, let's fix that real quick.

996
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,880
Good catch.

997
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,000
>> See, don't hire me.

998
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,870
>> 15 doesn't count to 20,

999
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,440
» which then if we do that,

1000
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,040
we're over. Yeah.

1001
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,560
I'm impressed you can do this on the

1002
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,200
fly.

1003
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,670
>> It's amazing.

1004
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,230
» I worked on balancing my checkbook

1005
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:35,510
city budget here.

1006
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,400
I hate it when you do odd numbers other

1007
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:45,829
than like you know 1550

1008
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,920
to $2

1009
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,920
>> and that's 15%

1010
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,640
$2.

1011
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,000
>> Yeah, 15% is the $2.

1012
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,440
And then this one would be

1013
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:12,150
more like

1014
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,800
Yeah, that makes me a lot better. Yeah.

1015
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,319
So, with that trying to hit there, you

1016
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:23,119
could probably even do this additional

1017
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,000
to 1050.

1018
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Yeah, that's better.

1019
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,760
So the the first can would be $2 more.

1020
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,480
Additional can would be 150 or recycling

1021
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,319
would be 125 more.

1022
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:39,359
>> So just for kids and giggles first can

1023
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:40,400
15 bucks.

1024
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,200
>> Okay.

1025
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,359
>> And the second can 11.

1026
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:45,440
>> Okay.

1027
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,280
Or deficit 4,000

1028
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,400
>> deficit of

1029
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,480
>> 4,000.

1030
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,520
So, we could even do

1031
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,000
uh

1032
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,440
>> so do the second count

1033
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,640
>> 1125

1034
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,480
>> 1150. Yeah. 25

1035
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,960
>> or deficit $200, which I don't have

1036
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,000
heartburn with at all. You deficit, you

1037
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,160
know, $200.

1038
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,520
>> We're just trying the idea of the g the

1039
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,920
uh garbage fund is to come as close to

1040
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,599
zero as possible,

1041
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,000
>> you know, cover itself.

1042
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,480
>> Yep. Exactly.

1043
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,640
So, you know, and we do have a little

1044
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,520
bit of fun balance there,

1045
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,240
but it's not a ton. And but we're okay,

1046
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,560
you know, by not having a large balance

1047
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,079
there.

1048
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,319
So,

1049
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:34,480
that would give us a little bit better.

1050
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,079
The additional can though, that would

1051
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,520
still be a 225 increase. Would we rather

1052
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,319
see more like a 1525

1053
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:45,200
and then an 11 there?

1054
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,200
>> I would

1055
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,480
need a second four can more because

1056
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,839
they're using creating more.

1057
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:55,599
>> It's a usage fee, right?

1058
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,760
>> Yeah. But the idea is that the garbage

1059
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,800
truck has to it costs X amount for the

1060
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,640
garbage truck to be there

1061
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,920
>> and adding one more can is not that much

1062
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,680
more work.

1063
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,720
I I agree. But that's how they bill us.

1064
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,240
>> Like if you have 10 people living in

1065
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:17,200
your house, then you should pay for it.

1066
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,800
>> Versus the people have two people living

1067
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,560
in their house that are local.

1068
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,160
>> Yeah. That wouldn't be crazy if they

1069
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,240
were the same price, honestly. So, yeah.

1070
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:27,760
>> Well, that's what I was thinking, too.

1071
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,079
Why aren't they just the same price?

1072
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:34,309
>> 15 bucks for each kid.

1073
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:35,760
» I don't know. That's just the way. Well,

1074
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,240
if we if we kept them the same price, if

1075
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,200
we upped the second can to be the same

1076
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,510
price as the first can.

1077
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,960
» Well, you'd have to up it a little bit

1078
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:53,910
more. So, like 14 and 14 maybe.

1079
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,160
Yeah, like 14 and 14.

1080
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,560
>> Gives us 11,000 positive.

1081
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,990
>> Or if you even

1082
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,000
They charge us about half for additional

1083
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,680
cans of what the first is. And I think

1084
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,119
it is because they say there's just

1085
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,800
stopping one time.

1086
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,079
>> Yeah. They don't have to drive. They're

1087
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,400
just there. So they do charge.

1088
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,200
>> So this is our bill. It's about half for the second can is what the first

1089
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:23,520
one.

1090
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,480
>> Here's our bill for February. This is

1091
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,640
how much was recycling. This is how much

1092
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,880
was the first can. And here was the rest

1093
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,040
of the cans.

1094
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,560
According to the bail,

1095
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,480
>> how many people do we have recycling?

1096
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,319
>> You have

1097
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:44,480
1585.

1098
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,510
>> Surprised

1099
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,720
had a lot recently too, especially after

1100
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,720
last budget. A lot of people cancel. I'm

1101
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,280
sure it will go down again.

1102
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,880
So go back to

1103
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,670
the first

1104
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:11,430
25.

1105
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,800
» Yeah, you're canceling.

1106
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,750
That's the first one that goes.

1107
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,760
» I've already discussed canceling this

1108
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,589
third can.

1109
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,680
The fifth can

1110
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,760
have five cans in their driveway. It's

1111
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,040
like what?

1112
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:33,280
>> Yeah.

1113
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,319
>> They must have a business.

1114
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,960
>> I know who it is. Yeah.

1115
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,480
>> Nobody can generate. You can't buy that

1116
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,510
many pizzas. Okay.

1117
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:43,839
» So,

1118
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:46,000
>> when you get up there, three cans. I

1119
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,000
mean, I at my house, I have a dumpster

1120
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,200
and it's not any more than three cans.

1121
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,470
I'd probably 10 in there.

1122
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,750
» I'm just missing Dave and Ray next door

1123
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,440
neighbors and share one.

1124
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,720
>> I Well, Dave and Ray, Dave's custom

1125
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,480
hauling was next door for many years. I

1126
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,480
miss them

1127
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,160
in many ways.

1128
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,240
>> That's for certain. We're getting a 15%

1129
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,000
increase, you know.

1130
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,240
Uh for sure that one and for sure that

1131
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:21,200
one.

1132
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,200
>> This one is our best guess.

1133
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,920
>> Tipping may may go down. You know, we

1134
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,079
were paying 50 and they said about 49,

1135
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:30,079
but then it didn't.

1136
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,950
>> Has it ever actually gone down?

1137
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,599
» That's that's kind of my point.

1138
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:39,359
>> Things just don't go down.

1139
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:42,640
>> No. And if it went up again, so

1140
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,200
>> let's admit the budget and let's give a

1141
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,599
decrease. I'm not opposed to it.

1142
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,319
>> Yeah. But if by some miracle it went

1143
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:52,160
down, let's just

1144
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,559
>> amend and change. But it's not I don't

1145
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:55,520
think it's happening.

1146
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:55,839
>> Okay.

1147
00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:56,800
>> I'm not holding my

1148
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,680
>> Let's be realistic.

1149
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,640
>> Sounds good to me.

1150
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,800
>> Okay. Sounds good. Okay. So, one thing

1151
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,400
about that, we talked about having

1152
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,839
people go to paperless bills because we

1153
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:12,640
pay $20,000 a year by the time we buy

1154
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,440
the bills and we mail them.

1155
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,200
So, we thought if people would want to

1156
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,599
opt in and do paperless, then you know,

1157
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,680
if they want to have still a paper bill,

1158
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,319
they would pay a dollar admin fee for

1159
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:26,000
the paper bill, which a lot of cities

1160
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,160
do, which would cover that, but

1161
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,760
everybody wouldn't have to if they

1162
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,119
would.

1163
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:32,720
>> You want to make it mandatory, just make

1164
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:33,760
it available, basically.

1165
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,079
>> Well, you make I think the idea was make

1166
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,960
it make it paperless, but you can opt

1167
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,280
in, but it's going to cost you $1 if you

1168
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,920
want it m. Yeah, we're going to charge a

1169
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,040
dollar

1170
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,440
>> per month to mail it to you.

1171
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,040
>> So, there's some cities, I just throw

1172
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,400
this out there, that have gone to

1173
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,880
billing every other month as well

1174
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:58,870
instead of doing it every other month.

1175
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,480
» Well, we got thinking about because we

1176
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,240
received new bills and so we were going

1177
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,440
through them and they aren't the same

1178
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,079
size and it's just been a disaster. So,

1179
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:07,760
now they've had to I guess they came and

1180
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,160
took the wrong because they weren't cut.

1181
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,000
I mean, you were really aware of this,

1182
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,440
Ryan, because then when they printed

1183
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,119
them, they didn't line up.

1184
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:16,640
>> So, I said, "Goodness." And then when I

1185
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,240
was we were adding up how much we

1186
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,040
thought for $20,000 a year, would we

1187
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,800
want to spend that money somewhere else

1188
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,599
than having that disaster with it? Yeah.

1189
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,599
And I mean, by doing that, we're

1190
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,280
definitely not having to increase our

1191
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,760
fees as much, which mean I'd rather not

1192
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,520
have a paper get less bill.

1193
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,480
>> I think you'd also have that initial to

1194
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,920
mail out a mail to everybody.

1195
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,480
>> There's food in there. So that's what

1196
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:53,750
we're doing.

1197
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,200
» Yeah,

1198
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:04,230
>> that's your included newslet.

1199
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,359
» Okay, we'll go that route then. Sounds

1200
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:08,319
like that's

1201
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:10,160
>> where where did we end up? Were we in

1202
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,920
are we in the positive or were we a

1203
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:12,640
little in the hole?

1204
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:18,240
>> We are 200 in the which is a we

1205
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,000
>> So how long are you going to get people

1206
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,400
to opt

1207
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040
out in or out?

1208
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,680
>> Well, how many bills did they take back?

1209
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,079
We bought bills for the year

1210
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:31,599
>> and so we thought if they give us a

1211
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,119
credit for the bills, which I don't know

1212
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,359
that they're going to, but if they'll

1213
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:37,040
give us a credit, When we run out of

1214
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,839
those bills, then we don't keep ordering

1215
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:41,520
a whole year's worth.

1216
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,680
>> So, the ones you got speculatory, how

1217
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,040
long they last?

1218
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,359
>> We We bought a year's worth, but

1219
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:49,839
probably a half, maybe. How much do you

1220
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:51,280
think were wrong that we had to send

1221
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:51,760
back?

1222
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,400
>> Probably half.

1223
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,920
>> Well, they kind of give you credit for

1224
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,520
them, don't they? They messed them up.

1225
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,440
>> They said they'll fix the issue. Either

1226
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,599
they'll send us new to get us through

1227
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,680
the year or they'll get us a credit.

1228
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,599
>> I would think they don't have a lot of

1229
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:07,040
Yeah,

1230
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,960
>> but we it takes quite a bit of time to

1231
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,599
do them.

1232
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,200
>> I'm sure there's quite a few people

1233
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,680
that'll opt in. I mean, my dad don't

1234
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,680
even have a doesn't text and doesn't

1235
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,280
have an email. So,

1236
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,319
>> almost I hate to say punish.

1237
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:27,190
What's the better word for punish?

1238
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,200
» The older generation like your dad

1239
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,000
because they don't have a computer.

1240
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,880
>> This guy right here.

1241
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,240
doesn't do paperless.

1242
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,319
>> I I do paperless, though.

1243
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:39,200
>> Yeah.

1244
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,720
>> Well, yeah, but you're

1245
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,319
>> I mean, I guess they're not getting

1246
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:44,000
punished. They're just paying for what

1247
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,440
they're receiving.

1248
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,920
>> They're receiving a bill and a stamp and

1249
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,440
whatever's involved there.

1250
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,280
>> So, would you rather pay a dollar more

1251
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,000
for your garbage can or would you rather

1252
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
pay a dollar for your paper?

1253
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,240
>> I would say put in the garbage. That's

1254
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,150
kind of a hidden fee.

1255
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,150
» And then go to

1256
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,240
or do the paper to

1257
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,319
>> that isn't a bad idea on every other

1258
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:13,440
month.

1259
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,280
>> I know we talked about it when you first

1260
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,800
got it.

1261
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,319
>> We can do both 50%

1262
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:20,000
>> but if people then they pay every other

1263
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,400
month and they have higher bills then

1264
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,800
will we have more delinquent because

1265
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,440
then instead of getting a $75 bill

1266
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,599
they're going to get a $150 bill and

1267
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,440
then they'll say we don't have the money

1268
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,119
to pay

1269
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:34,559
still

1270
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,480
Yeah, I think they could still have the

1271
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,559
notifications that their bill like

1272
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,160
Monica would still upload the bills and

1273
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,480
it would email them saying your bills

1274
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,839
here, but we would only pay for them

1275
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:51,829
>> every so they'd still get notified.

1276
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:53,680
» So, do I mess you guys up when I pay my

1277
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,280
names all the time?

1278
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:55,760
>> No.

1279
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:56,720
>> Okay.

1280
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,400
>> I hear writing a check every month. So I

1281
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,160
just shoot over two or three hund bucks

1282
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,119
at a time.

1283
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:03,920
>> There's a lot of people that

1284
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,200
>> pay you paper bill every month because

1285
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,000
you do.

1286
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,359
>> Yeah.

1287
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:11,920
>> And we have, you know, the auditors have

1288
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,599
gotten used to it now that we have

1289
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:19,190
sometimes have a credit balance.

1290
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,040
» It just is what it is. We're special.

1291
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,920
>> I got a better idea.

1292
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,000
>> Let's do what all the other cities do,

1293
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,960
>> which is

1294
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,920
>> combine the water, the irrigation, and

1295
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,960
the city bill all into one bill. And the

1296
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,559
garbage and the sewer.

1297
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,559
>> Well, we could just add uh power into

1298
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:37,040
that, too.

1299
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,640
>> And the power and the gas.

1300
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,240
>> Dream.

1301
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:45,119
>> Your dream. And

1302
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:46,800
>> do it.

1303
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,720
>> I'm just saying every other city is all

1304
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,240
included in one.

1305
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,920
>> I wish. But yeah,

1306
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,960
>> not here.

1307
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,040
>> Never happened with those two.

1308
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,559
Yeah,

1309
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,359
we can drink.

1310
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:00,880
>> So, wait.

1311
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,470
>> I've already asked.

1312
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,359
» Great idea, Ryan. We love it.

1313
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:09,119
>> We'll put you in charge of spearheading

1314
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:11,200
that one. Okay.

1315
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,680
Says bridge, not cross.

1316
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,160
>> Okay. So, we're all good with that then.

1317
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,800
And do we want to move ahead or have

1318
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,559
further discussion with the paper bill?

1319
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,640
Maybe. Maybe just have further

1320
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,069
discussion and deciding

1321
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:27,839
Yeah, we can move on and then see we can

1322
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:29,520
see what we get with the bills too. If

1323
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,119
we get a credit then that be a good time

1324
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:31,760
to change.

1325
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,960
>> Yeah.

1326
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,960
>> Just pl

1327
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:35,920
that way.

1328
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,359
>> Okay. Now for

1329
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:44,160
this one. Morgan's big side. I love it.

1330
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,400
Okay. So, this is what we had budgeted

1331
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,200
this past year. The ones that are

1332
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,480
highlighted. I don't know if you can see

1333
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,079
the highlighted on your

1334
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,799
>> printouts. Um, but those are the ones

1335
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:59,440
Jared says are done.

1336
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,799
>> Um, and then of course we've got fiscal

1337
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:04,640
year 27.

1338
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,400
Um,

1339
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,960
and we've got to do the BOF filters. It

1340
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,160
sounds like this million dollar force

1341
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,880
main along West Haven.

1342
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,960
Does everybody know what that is? If

1343
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,559
not, I'll have Jared explain.

1344
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,319
>> Okay.

1345
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:25,839
Yeah. So, historically when we ran the

1346
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:28,880
sewer on the east part of town and even

1347
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,680
Lake View, um the force man comes up and

1348
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,400
then we dump into West Haven's trunk

1349
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,599
line and West Haven

1350
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,680
transports the sewage over to where it

1351
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,119
goes into Central Weaver. And we at the

1352
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,839
time years ago agreed on a wheeling fee

1353
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:50,799
and a maximum capacity.

1354
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:53,119
And over the years, you know, we got to

1355
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:56,319
that capacity. I know our previous

1356
00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:58,559
engineer Tracy

1357
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:02,400
uh asked West Havens, previous engineer,

1358
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,319
Steve, several times, do we need to

1359
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:06,079
upgrade this? Do we? And he said, no,

1360
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:08,720
there's plenty of capacity. And so on

1361
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,640
and so forth. Anyway, we're over

1362
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,880
capacity and now they are leaning

1363
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,359
towards us getting out of their line and

1364
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:21,359
having our own. Um, so these some of the

1365
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:23,680
new projects we're considering in East

1366
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,799
Toer really before we add those

1367
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:28,559
connections

1368
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:32,799
to that sewer force main, we should have

1369
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:34,799
at least a plan. I don't think they're

1370
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:36,319
going to give us permission to keep

1371
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:40,000
adding connections to that. So we've

1372
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,880
designed to go put our own force man in

1373
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,280
from where we dump into

1374
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,319
West Havens over to 4,000 where we have

1375
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:52,640
an existing force man for the vacuum

1376
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,319
sewer.

1377
00:57:54,319 --> 00:57:57,440
Now that force man is planned for future

1378
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,359
capacity of the vacuum but it's way out

1379
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:03,760
there you know 20 30 years of build out

1380
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,599
in those

1381
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,839
um the force mains operate better if

1382
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:11,680
they have more flow um reduces our H2S

1383
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,559
gases and different problems with sludge

1384
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,520
buildup. So our plan now is to go over

1385
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,480
connect at 4,000 and utilize that and

1386
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,960
then that'll in that 20 30 year period

1387
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,680
before build out knowing we'll have to

1388
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,920
build more force main an additional one

1389
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,599
from 4,000 to Austin Ranch where we dump

1390
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:33,920
in to central.

1391
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,680
>> So what are we paying a um a year now to

1392
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:38,400
West Haven

1393
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,910
>> about 36,000

1394
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,559
» so it's always capacity issue, not that

1395
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,559
something was

1396
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:51,280
wearing out. Is that See, at first I

1397
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,480
thought there was a problem with the

1398
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:53,680
pipe.

1399
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,599
>> They've had some problems where they've

1400
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:59,200
done some lining and whatnot, but I I

1401
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,760
it's not full at all. I mean, I think

1402
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,760
they kind of want their system for them

1403
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,960
and

1404
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,040
>> us to do our own thing. But

1405
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,880
>> basically, we're getting kicked out.

1406
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,799
>> Well, they said our sewage is causing

1407
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:12,240
problems, particularly with their

1408
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,839
manholes, which they're having to line

1409
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:18,480
and there that's quite an expense and

1410
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,960
we're not paying we we don't help cover

1411
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,839
any of those expenses. We originally

1412
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:26,240
signed on for 300 homes and went up to

1413
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,880
600. Now we're we're over 900 homes. I'm

1414
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,960
not trying to be facitious, but is our

1415
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,119
sewage more costic than their sewage?

1416
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:36,640
>> Ours.

1417
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,640
>> Okay. I'm just kind of helping with

1418
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:38,880
that.

1419
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,799
>> I know.

1420
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:42,559
>> Well, I've heard the argument that it's

1421
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:44,319
our back in the system, but it doesn't

1422
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:46,319
even go through that line. So, it's

1423
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:46,799
>> Yeah,

1424
00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:49,280
>> I I don't think

1425
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,359
myself that it's I think it's just a

1426
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:54,160
sewer problem, not our problem. But

1427
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,920
>> it's their line, I guess. It's their

1428
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,520
line.

1429
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,510
Yeah.

1430
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,400
So, so how

1431
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,319
I know this is a ways out, but how's the

1432
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:10,880
freeway project going to affect all

1433
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,599
these lines? I mean, you know what I

1434
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,040
mean? You got the intersection on 4,000.

1435
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,359
You got new pipe in the ground. Then

1436
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:20,640
they come in and say, "Oh, well, we're

1437
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,880
going to do all this up anyway and put a

1438
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,440
freeway in here or just cover it all up

1439
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,359
and how you get to it after that." Yeah,

1440
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:29,760
I think they'll rer out. We don't know

1441
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,160
exactly. They're not to that level of

1442
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,680
planning yet. We're still at the

1443
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,520
>> Yeah, here's where we think the road

1444
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,200
will be, but that is going to be a

1445
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,680
challenge. But I think you'll take care

1446
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,400
of that if they're impacted.

1447
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,559
>> That's why I said that is so how much

1448
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:50,000
skin in the game does Utah do give us

1449
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,160
where they're going to impact it in the

1450
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,760
future anyway?

1451
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,440
>> And I don't know if they will or not.

1452
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,000
They may be on that east side and we

1453
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000
might be still

1454
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:00,640
right there.

1455
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,240
>> They don't have the environmental study

1456
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,319
done yet. So, they don't know by

1457
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:08,400
October. They will. So, then we'll know

1458
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,480
where this where it's going to go. But I

1459
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,839
was just looking at numbers. Back in

1460
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:17,119
March of 2024, we had 976 homes in

1461
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:18,880
there. So, I'm assuming we're over a

1462
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,359
thousand homes now.

1463
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:23,200
>> And we were only supposed to be how many

1464
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,480
to start with?

1465
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,960
>> 300. But then they do an agreement for

1466
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,400
600, but they never agreed to

1467
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,270
>> thousand. No.

1468
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,720
So I'm Ryan has raised a valid question

1469
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,559
here to me.

1470
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:43,599
>> Can how will they be patient enough with

1471
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:48,559
us to bless a little time to see if

1472
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:50,799
>> they would contribute or something into

1473
01:01:50,799 --> 01:01:52,480
this rather than have to tear ours up

1474
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,000
and put

1475
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,839
>> but the point is if they we tear ours up

1476
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:59,359
we don't pay you do pays. But yeah, if

1477
01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:01,359
we put new in and they tear up.

1478
01:02:01,359 --> 01:02:03,119
>> Yeah. If we could

1479
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,839
>> just buy a little time. Yeah.

1480
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:06,960
>> You know, it's like when we were going

1481
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,280
to high school, the 4,800, they'd tear

1482
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,960
it up and repave it and then two years

1483
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,640
later they tear it up and repave it and

1484
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:17,040
it's like that makes me crazy.

1485
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,000
>> Again,

1486
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,910
>> Oh, thank you.

1487
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,680
» No, I just that you know,

1488
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,839
>> we'll know in October there's not

1489
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:30,480
funding to fund it clear to 4,000. So if we take Rob Vander with a box of

1490
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,160
donuts or something, would they be a

1491
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,230
little patient with us? And

1492
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,720
» they're not real happy. I can tell you

1493
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,040
right now. And along 51 especially, you

1494
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,280
get over there, what would the address

1495
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,880
be about halfway through the blocks?

1496
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,400
It's it's pretty bad. They get

1497
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,799
complaints all the time for the smell

1498
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:51,280
from the the manholes. And they're

1499
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,040
replacing I can't remember now how many

1500
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,720
J

1501
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,599
smell when we put the new one in.

1502
01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:59,839
Well, that'll be theirs and it's not us

1503
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:01,040
and it'll be

1504
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,640
>> I know, but I'm just like we're putting

1505
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,520
a new line down.

1506
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,359
>> Well, we take out a thousand homes. It

1507
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:06,240
could make a difference.

1508
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,000
>> We won't have any manholes in our

1509
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,920
forest.

1510
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,160
>> Their spell smells different than our

1511
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,720
It's about It's a valid question to ask.

1512
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,799
I just think maybe the timing of SR 177,

1513
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:22,880
we could be looking at a few years of

1514
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,440
patience. Do we want to I don't know if

1515
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,319
they'd let us add any capacity in those

1516
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:30,160
few years. So any projects we're

1517
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,839
thinking of really on that whole system

1518
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:35,920
may be on hold. I'm not saying they are.

1519
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,000
I'm these are considerations. So I'm not

1520
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,000
about calling Mayor Vanderwood and just

1521
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,599
having a chat with him or maybe you

1522
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:44,640
already have.

1523
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,480
>> I know we can't do any commercial

1524
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,359
development along 5500 and dump into

1525
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:50,160
here.

1526
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,680
>> Okay. They're just not going to go that

1527
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,280
way.

1528
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,720
Which the interesting thing about that

1529
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,960
is commercial isn't going to generate

1530
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,359
any sewage. Houses generate tons more

1531
01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:07,430
sewage than commercial.

1532
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,079
» I just

1533
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:12,240
cly I guess that you're still

1534
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,400
considering different funding options

1535
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,359
for some other sewer infrastructure in

1536
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:19,599
that area. This probably could be added

1537
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,520
to that if you ended up doing one of

1538
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:22,079
those.

1539
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:24,480
>> Yeah. that project and make the lift

1540
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,440
station in the forest main one project

1541
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,319
>> which would help a lot. Maybe do you

1542
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:32,480
care if I jump over to the um

1543
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,960
>> jump?

1544
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,720
>> How high? No,

1545
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:42,160
>> I wanted to real quick air condition

1546
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,319
that one. So, the air conditioning,

1547
01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:46,720
we're meeting next Wednesday with the

1548
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:51,119
HVAC engineer. Um, that I kind of

1549
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:54,559
explained to you when we say that face

1550
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,640
value, people think it's for employees

1551
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:01,039
to be comfortable and it's it's not. Um,

1552
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:03,039
we're a little bit more dire on that.

1553
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:06,960
Now, the north station, uh, the AC unit

1554
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,200
that we do have that's supposedly a

1555
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,640
third of what we need went out. So, we

1556
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,680
got it mandated and repaired,

1557
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,920
>> but the day it went out.

1558
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,039
>> Two days ago, our room temperature in

1559
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:23,200
there was 93°

1560
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,799
with just the ambient outside being 70.

1561
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:29,119
When we as the temperature goes up, that

1562
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:31,520
will cause equipment failure and our

1563
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,480
sewer station will shut itself down. So,

1564
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,559
it's pretty urgent on that.

1565
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,319
>> So, is that the right number still,

1566
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:38,720
Jared?

1567
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,960
>> I have no idea. We're meeting with Keith

1568
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,319
uh Wednesday.

1569
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:43,680
>> Okay.

1570
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,359
>> We'll get that nailed down as quick as

1571
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:46,400
we can. But

1572
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,920
>> is that just for us coming from multiple

1573
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:50,559
places?

1574
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:51,680
>> There's three of them.

1575
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,920
>> Okay. I just love that.

1576
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,559
>> Oh, it might exceed that

1577
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:58,880
>> just for air conditioning.

1578
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,359
>> I mean, we need like I mean, it's huge.

1579
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:03,119
Like

1580
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:05,200
they they do it in tons of air

1581
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,640
conditioning and

1582
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,200
>> it's not like your

1583
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,480
I understand that.

1584
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,799
>> But the the problem we kind of have, we

1585
01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:15,119
got the ambient everybody has at your

1586
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:16,880
house, but then we've got equipment in

1587
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,640
there generating heat.

1588
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,599
>> Well, we added our other vacuum pump.

1589
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:24,880
Now we've got 25% more heat being

1590
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,559
created. It's like running my tractor

1591
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:28,319
inside the garage and then you'd have to

1592
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:30,160
cool the garage or something.

1593
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,119
>> So, we've uh

1594
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,559
>> that's a lot.

1595
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,640
>> Yeah. Well, we we'll know more after

1596
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,559
Wednesday or so, but that's just

1597
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,680
something that's fairly urgent.

1598
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,680
You fairly comfortable with that figure

1599
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,670
being usable or no?

1600
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,839
» Yeah, just a good guess.

1601
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:51,039
>> So, what I've got right now and please

1602
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:53,520
think about things and you know, we're

1603
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,119
definitely going to have to have, you

1604
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:58,400
know, another meeting of course, but

1605
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,119
think about if you know Jared has gone

1606
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,119
through and he said, "This is kind of

1607
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:04,480
how we're going to have to fix this

1608
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,680
sewer system because we've let it go."

1609
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,520
so long um that it's starting to be a

1610
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,039
problem. So, with this five-year plan

1611
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,359
that we've kind of put together and

1612
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:20,799
trying to stay on top of things, if I

1613
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:24,640
take and look at the sewer department,

1614
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,760
um so

1615
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,160
um first off, the central Weber sewer

1616
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,079
district, they are saying probably a 6%

1617
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,559
increase is what we keep hearing.

1618
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:39,920
Whatever they charge, we turn around and

1619
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,000
charge our residents and then push it

1620
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,160
right back out to them. So the charge

1621
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,920
there matches the fee there that we have

1622
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,839
to pay. So it's in out. We're not making

1623
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:54,240
money off of that. So the part that I

1624
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,880
look at is this is the one that is, you

1625
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,240
know, helping us to make the repairs and

1626
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,839
do the things that we need to with our

1627
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:05,359
sewer system. Um,

1628
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:10,559
so with that being said, um, this is

1629
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:14,559
what I'm anticipating the sewer charge.

1630
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:16,799
We do have some impact fee. I'm hoping

1631
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:18,960
that will go up once we get that impact

1632
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,880
fee study done, but again, we're waiting

1633
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,640
on that. Um, so once the impact fee

1634
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,239
study is done, we might have some more

1635
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:30,640
revenue there. But with everything

1636
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,560
and plugging in the numbers this year, I

1637
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,960
would anticipate that will be a negative

1638
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,359
1.7

1639
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,759
if we spend everything that we need to.

1640
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:44,400
Now, my next question is, okay, what

1641
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,560
cash is going out? Well, we have to

1642
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,239
budget because it's an enterprise fund

1643
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:51,520
for that depreciation number. So, if I

1644
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,400
take that out, we're looking at a 102 or

1645
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:59,040
1.2 to cash flow down.

1646
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,080
So, I came over here and I did this last

1647
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:06,080
year and uh there it is. I did it again

1648
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,880
this year. So, I said, "Okay, at the end

1649
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,400
of 26, I would anticipate that our fund

1650
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,600
balance is going to be 2.8."

1651
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,400
And if I project that out based upon our

1652
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,319
expenses for this year, we would use it

1653
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,759
down to 1.4.

1654
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:27,679
Then, in 28 if we do what's planned we

1655
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:30,799
would be 1.5

1656
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:34,159
and that's I also account for a 5%

1657
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:37,520
expense increase which is probably low

1658
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:42,239
honestly but that's what I account for

1659
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:45,679
and I go down and run the whole scenario

1660
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:48,159
and then I came back up and said okay if

1661
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:50,480
I did a set amount of increase every

1662
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:52,080
year

1663
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,719
for our bills where would we So this

1664
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:57,280
year we're at $70.80

1665
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:58,880
or8

1666
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:04,320
for our um sewer fee. If we did a 6%

1667
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,679
increase for Hoers or 6.25% for Hopper's

1668
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:10,239
portion, it would cause that portion of

1669
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:14,790
the bill to go up to 51.94,

1670
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,800
which I'm like that's pretty close to

1671
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,600
what they're charging. If we did that

1672
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,080
for the next five years, we would still

1673
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,920
be deficit 300 500,000.

1674
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,159
We'd still be using 500,000 fund

1675
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:31,679
balance. We'd be about 2 million fund

1676
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:35,120
balance at the end of that.

1677
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,000
So,

1678
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,480
>> what are you comfortable with that $88

1679
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:39,600
bill? Right.

1680
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,679
>> Yeah. And at the end, you're looking at

1681
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:45,120
an $88 bill.

1682
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,679
>> Yeah. We've got a system that has a

1683
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:50,320
problem and I've accounted for, you

1684
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,800
know, the loan payments and everything,

1685
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,760
but I don't see how we fix the system

1686
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,120
and get the repairs that we need done

1687
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,600
without at least a 6% increase every

1688
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,360
year. 6.25.

1689
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,120
>> I don't want to mislead you that all

1690
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:06,640
those repairs are all we're going to

1691
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,719
need in that time frame. Everything's

1692
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:10,719
getting older and more hours up.

1693
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:11,920
>> Yeah,

1694
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,239
>> you're relatively conservative

1695
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:16,000
>> and we need to budget every year for

1696
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,520
that because that was part of the

1697
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,280
problem before. We never really budgeted

1698
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,960
ahead. So, we need to say, okay, if

1699
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,640
we're going to need a pump, we need to

1700
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,480
be budgeting that every year. So, when

1701
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:26,239
it comes time for the pump, we have the

1702
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:26,960
money.

1703
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,520
>> But there's a couple of options. You

1704
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,920
know, if we do end up with

1705
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,560
>> possibly doing a CRA, we could include

1706
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,080
that force main in it. We have written

1707
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,760
you know, this grant, but that really

1708
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,960
can't pay for maintenance. Even our um

1709
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,120
impact fees only pay for new builds.

1710
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:45,840
That's not

1711
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,159
>> It can pay for enforcement though.

1712
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:49,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. It could pay for the

1713
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,920
>> if we get that study done, then maybe

1714
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,159
that would be some source of revenue.

1715
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:56,880
>> But even at that, I think, you know, a

1716
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,360
6.25% increase is what we're going to

1717
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,040
have to do this year

1718
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,640
>> to even stay on track.

1719
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,280
And then next year, we will more about

1720
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,560
the you know different op other funding

1721
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,600
options but right now I think that's

1722
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,280
where we're sitting.

1723
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:19,120
>> Does that include a million dollars?

1724
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:19,760
>> Yeah.

1725
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,440
>> So if you did get some then we would be

1726
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:27,280
positive 500 at the end of five years as

1727
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:28,400
opposed to negative

1728
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,120
>> have to increase it as much the next two

1729
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,080
three four five years.

1730
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,280
>> Absolutely. Yeah. And one thing that I

1731
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,199
think general public is would rather

1732
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:39,920
have is a small increase

1733
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,480
>> every year than a massive one every four

1734
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:43,040
years.

1735
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,440
>> Exactly. And that was our thought with

1736
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:48,400
doing this is to see what at the end of

1737
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,960
five years could we do just a steady

1738
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,440
increase small increases instead of a

1739
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:55,600
>> Yeah. We can always cut it back if we

1740
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:56,000
don't need it.

1741
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,159
>> Oh yeah. You know we say

1742
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,080
>> if we have a surplus

1743
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,000
>> sweet we'll we'll reduce rates. I don't

1744
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,320
care. But that's probably

1745
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,400
And the sewer district finance committee

1746
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,040
met today actually. So we'll know at our

1747
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,040
next meeting what their exact percentage

1748
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,000
is going up.

1749
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:12,719
>> Who's who?

1750
01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:13,360
>> The sewer.

1751
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:14,239
>> Oh.

1752
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:14,880
>> Yeah.

1753
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,760
>> They told us last year to plan about 6%.

1754
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,280
>> So you'll know exactly after.

1755
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,040
>> Yeah. But then we'll know exactly what's

1756
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,520
going But I mean that none of that we

1757
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:24,960
don't touch that. We

1758
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,280
>> No, I know. That's just the past.

1759
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,199
>> We yell at, but it's nothing we can do

1760
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:29,600
about it.

1761
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,080
>> Yep. Nothing we can do about that. And

1762
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,320
unfortunately, we have a system that is

1763
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,679
expensive to maintain and

1764
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:39,679
>> it is what it is.

1765
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:42,800
>> And our loan on it is not anywhere near

1766
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,159
being paid off. So

1767
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:47,120
>> 65.

1768
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,480
>> It's not not a real debate for this

1769
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:53,199
budgeting, but we could

1770
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:56,080
look at I mean I think we want to stop

1771
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,400
the bleeding on the vacuum. We could

1772
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,480
look at some areas of that that we could

1773
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:02,880
possibly serve with future lift stations

1774
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,880
instead of expanding the vacuum. I think

1775
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,719
the infill where we've already got it

1776
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:10,400
and it's just the infill we're kind of

1777
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,520
stuck with it, but we can see about

1778
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,800
reducing those areas on the outskirts of

1779
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,719
them and putting them in a more

1780
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:23,510
maintainable type system.

1781
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,320
» So, so are you guys kind of on board

1782
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,320
with my thought that gonna have to look

1783
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,560
at about a six

1784
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,080
>> six and a quarter.

1785
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,080
>> I mean the million bucks is the elephant

1786
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,080
in the room. I think we don't know if

1787
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,920
we're going to get a grant help pay for

1788
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,480
that or if we need to raise all this

1789
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,280
amount now to pay for that now.

1790
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,360
>> I mean it's like it's kind of unknown

1791
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,520
how that's going to be funed right now.

1792
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,679
>> Yeah. So I think right now we kind of

1793
01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:52,000
almost have to fund for the worse. But

1794
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,600
then next year maybe we're only looking

1795
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,560
at a 3% increase. Fantastic. Then let's

1796
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,280
deal with that, you know,

1797
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,040
>> but don't quote me on it.

1798
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,080
>> Yeah. If we get some money back from

1799
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,640
another source so we can reduce it.

1800
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:07,679
>> Hallelujah.

1801
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:10,560
>> So So that pays for a trunk line. How

1802
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,280
far down00

1803
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:14,080
million?

1804
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,600
>> So it just be from 4,000 back to

1805
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,719
Courtney. I call it

1806
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,440
>> where the hump is over.

1807
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:25,920
So, it's only a little over half mile

1808
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:26,560
probably.

1809
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,000
>> Probably a quarter mile.

1810
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,070
>> Yeah.

1811
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,239
» And that's like I say that's using

1812
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:36,159
capacity and something we know we

1813
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:39,199
already need way out there. So, we will

1814
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:42,480
longterm have to plan

1815
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:45,040
>> another. So, West Haven's line goes from

1816
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,159
4,000. Doesn't it go all the way to 4825

1817
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:48,560
South?

1818
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,960
>> It goes all the way to Rosen Ranch.

1819
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,360
>> No, going south.

1820
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,600
It it go right there. It kind of curves,

1821
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,000
I think, and goes east along. There's

1822
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,120
like a bluff there.

1823
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,239
>> It follows the bluff.

1824
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:00,719
>> Mhm.

1825
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:02,080
>> I think it stays up on that.

1826
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,760
>> So, where does where do their houses

1827
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,640
that is still along 5100 on that side?

1828
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,880
There's like I don't know eight.

1829
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,719
>> Like where does our line start and hook

1830
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:13,360
into West Havens? Coming from the south

1831
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,920
on 5100 West

1832
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,159
>> coming from this. Where does it start?

1833
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:19,520
>> Where does it hook into West Haven?

1834
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,560
Right at Courtney's home.

1835
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,880
>> So if we can pull up a mapish.

1836
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:27,440
>> Yeah.

1837
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:34,709
Yeah.

1838
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:38,080
» Where does West Haven's sewage go for

1839
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,600
the houses that are in West Haven on

1840
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,080
that side of the road? Just curiosity.

1841
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,159
>> Same place. It goes into their gravity

1842
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:46,080
line and goes out to Rosson Ranch and

1843
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,920
where their line actually just turns

1844
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,440
into Central Weavers.

1845
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:50,239
>> Okay.

1846
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:51,840
>> And then that's where we tie in our

1847
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,880
other force mains is out there.

1848
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,480
>> So they want us to run one side by side

1849
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:01,280
to theirs from 4,400 to 4,000.

1850
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:02,080
>> Yeah.

1851
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:06,070
>> Which is that

1852
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,830
interesting.

1853
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,760
and they're strongly encouraging we do

1854
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,520
that basically

1855
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,080
>> telling they're telling us to

1856
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,000
>> they're telling us to get out.

1857
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,440
>> Well, I think I think when they

1858
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:22,000
originally and it was probably Lake View

1859
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,080
subdivision maybe was one of the first

1860
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,159
one anyway. It never was intended. I

1861
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,560
don't think for us to have as many.

1862
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,080
Well, it wasn't.

1863
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,760
>> You go back and look at the agreements

1864
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,440
and it never was.

1865
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:36,239
>> It kind of depends who you ask. Steve

1866
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:38,320
Anderson's who designed it. He doesn't

1867
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,719
work there anymore. He told Malcolm and

1868
01:17:40,719 --> 01:17:42,960
I the other day he planned on a th000 ft

1869
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,960
of hooper going into it all the time,

1870
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,040
but it's their line and they don't want

1871
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,880
us in there. So

1872
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,920
>> it's basically 4,300 south is where it

1873
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:52,560
ties in.

1874
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,360
>> So we would say the 36,000 a year

1875
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,600
>> 36,000. Yeah. That So we said if we

1876
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,040
would have planned ahead and charged

1877
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,000
those, you know,

1878
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,840
900 homes, if we would have been

1879
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,520
charging them an impact fee of,000, we

1880
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:08,719
had the money, but we didn't.

1881
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:10,640
>> You got to study to charge a fee.

1882
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,120
>> Yeah. And the state auditor

1883
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:13,679
>> I know

1884
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:15,840
>> I'm betting JUB is getting hit really

1885
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,760
hard with impact fees right now because

1886
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,719
the state auditor has got thumb down on

1887
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:21,679
those.

1888
01:18:21,679 --> 01:18:22,800
>> You got to have one.

1889
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,800
>> You don't have any control over.

1890
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:25,520
>> Yeah.

1891
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:30,800
Awesome. Um so just a little FYI.

1892
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,360
So this was this is our rates last year

1893
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,760
what we increased and then this is what

1894
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,280
we increased this year. So you know with

1895
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,840
the sewer we're looking you know a

1896
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,120
little bit higher increase but not too

1897
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:49,520
terribly much more. Um and then with

1898
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,440
your garbage we went up $252.

1899
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:55,920
So now we've kind of done those

1900
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,000
increases. So if you had one garb of

1901
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,800
each garbage can last year you went up

1902
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:05,840
$10.58. This year you'd go up $11.33.

1903
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,199
So you know go to the grocery store you

1904
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:10,480
spend that on

1905
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:12,400
>> inflation has gone up more than what

1906
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,159
we're bumping this. So it's like

1907
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:18,159
this stuff goes up because everything

1908
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:19,199
has gone up.

1909
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:22,159
>> Yeah. Unfortunately, you know people

1910
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:24,560
with fixed incomes it is hard.

1911
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,199
>> When does it stop?

1912
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:28,960
And is there justification? That's what

1913
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,719
I asked. They always say it's that much.

1914
01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:31,520
Well,

1915
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:32,560
>> why

1916
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,880
>> is it just standard now? Everything's a

1917
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,760
CPI of 3%. Well, is it really?

1918
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,600
>> Because gas has gone up, but it had gone

1919
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,360
down. So, we're still not as high as we

1920
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,080
were. But then they still So,

1921
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,400
>> fuel's always been that way, but now

1922
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,709
everything's that way.

1923
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:53,520
» So, I think that's, you know, where

1924
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,679
we're at with those

1925
01:19:55,679 --> 01:20:00,560
that those fees. Um, so it is 6:45. Do

1926
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,800
we want to look at capital projects for

1927
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,960
the general fund and just kind of

1928
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,199
quickly scan them real brief?

1929
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:08,080
>> Can we do that?

1930
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,040
>> Yep, we can do that

1931
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:10,320
>> in 10 minutes.

1932
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:11,760
>> Uh, we'll do what we can.

1933
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:12,480
>> There you go.

1934
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,920
>> I can talk real fast. Follow along.

1935
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,400
>> Jump quickly.

1936
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:22,080
>> So, here's your capital projects. Um, we

1937
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,280
have for this next year coming up, we've

1938
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:29,760
got a tilt gooseeneck for the parks. Uh,

1939
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,239
bleachers that was supposed to be this

1940
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,000
year. They have ordered them, but they

1941
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,159
will not be until next year. So, we've

1942
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:38,960
kind of had to shift that. Um, we know

1943
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,719
that's a given. The pickle ball

1944
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:43,120
sprinklers we've had to shift to next

1945
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,480
year.

1946
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:48,560
Um the metal building for the trackco

1947
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:53,120
just basically a metal cover shed so we

1948
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,000
can keep the track in better shape. Um

1949
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,120
the plow truck we have a truck bed that

1950
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,760
the salt has ate through. We need a new

1951
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:05,120
salt bed um according what Jared said

1952
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,600
and I believe it because they the salt

1953
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,880
does eat. Um, and then we have been told

1954
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,600
that we're going to have an $89,000 fee

1955
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,400
for our irrigation line to be connected

1956
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,320
into the cemetery if we want to water

1957
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,080
our cemetery.

1958
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,640
So, those are the capital projects that

1959
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,560
we know we pretty much are going to

1960
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,960
have.

1961
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,320
Um, which is 433,000.

1962
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:34,159
And then we've looked at our class C

1963
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:39,280
roads. Um, we probably need to do this

1964
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,800
5100

1965
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,960
project that has got postponed till next

1966
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:48,400
year. And then also the um 5500 south to

1967
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:54,159
5100 south on 5500 west is this next

1968
01:21:54,159 --> 01:22:01,750
year as well.

1969
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,800
» Yeah. So, the one the one that goes from

1970
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,320
5,500 south to the Davis County border

1971
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,120
is probably going to be fiscal year 27.

1972
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,920
I think the one going from 51 south to

1973
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,520
55 isn't until fiscal year 28. I think

1974
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:18,159
so.

1975
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:19,760
>> That's going to be a grant as well.

1976
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,320
>> That's a grant. Yeah. Yeah. We received

1977
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,280
both way money and from regional

1978
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,400
council. I I could look I just barely I

1979
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,239
barely saw that. You're fine. You're

1980
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:32,320
just fine.

1981
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,159
Okay.

1982
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:36,400
I did pull up to these numbers.

1983
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,639
So, we did So, these were the grants we

1984
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:41,520
received that we had applied for. So, we

1985
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,080
did receive full funding for we called

1986
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,320
it an ADA sidewalk. That's the sidewalk

1987
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,040
down at the main park. So, there's

1988
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,040
wheelchair access now if you came in on

1989
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,679
the east that would go to the pavilion,

1990
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:56,000
to the bathrooms, to the military

1991
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,760
marker, even we're hoping maybe to the

1992
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,679
rodeo grounds. We received 30,000

1993
01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:05,040
for that. Um the total as we wrote the

1994
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,520
grant was 60,158,

1995
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,000
but most of that was our employees doing

1996
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,480
some of the work. So we may have some

1997
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:15,120
cost in that that we thought could do

1998
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,159
park impact fees. Um and would that be

1999
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:19,520
those next year?

2000
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,360
>> Yeah, we're hoping we get it done by

2001
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,600
tomato days would be good if we could.

2002
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,120
And then the other grant we received

2003
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,040
full funding for was for the baseball

2004
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:32,239
softball field upgrade which was 26,430

2005
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,719
which is what we received and that was

2006
01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:36,320
pretty much for the lights to change

2007
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,480
those lights you know the old H hallogen

2008
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:42,320
to the LED lights. Um we did our portion

2009
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,360
was going to be some labor again and

2010
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:49,040
some they call it diamond dust. new dirt

2011
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,440
to fill in and that was $15,914

2012
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:57,040
which also could be park impact fees. We

2013
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,120
didn't get any of the grants for hover

2014
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,920
tomato days. None of our but I did just

2015
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,159
apply we could apply for three easy

2016
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:05,760
grants. So if we get those those would

2017
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,440
all be for tomato days and that would be

2018
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,080
10,500 but those were due today. I

2019
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,520
turned them in on Monday. So we don't

2020
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:12,880
know

2021
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,719
>> what do we spend on tomatoes?

2022
01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:18,080
>> Well, we budget a h 100,000

2023
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,800
but we also budget that much for it to

2024
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,280
bring in as well. The idea of tomato

2025
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,120
days is hopefully that it would pay for

2026
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,199
itself.

2027
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:29,679
So

2028
01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:31,199
last year I think we figured we had

2029
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:33,760
about 40,000 above.

2030
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,560
>> Yeah, we would have excess. We usually

2031
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,120
>> but we also had a $50,000 grant.

2032
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,639
>> Yeah. Last year. Yeah. So, we're kind of

2033
01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:45,679
holding that. We're going to I don't

2034
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:47,040
want to say reserve it, but we're going

2035
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,440
to put it as its own

2036
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:52,000
>> kind of line item in the fund balance so

2037
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,920
we can track

2038
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,400
that. We're not, you know, going deficit

2039
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,480
with tomato days.

2040
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:01,120
>> The goal to break even

2041
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,280
up one year, next year we might be down

2042
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,400
a little.

2043
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,639
>> Yeah. Just needs to be covering it.

2044
01:25:06,639 --> 01:25:09,760
>> Yeah. We have great sponsors and we

2045
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,000
don't for a lot of our events and that's

2046
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:12,560
due to our

2047
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,830
>> sponsor.

2048
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,440
Didn't we get a grant for that as well

2049
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,320
>> parking lot?

2050
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,560
>> Yeah, it was

2051
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,440
um so the bleachers.

2052
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:33,189
>> Oh yeah, that that should have

2053
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:34,880
15,000

2054
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,120
that we got for that. Didn't we was it

2055
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:38,159
full?

2056
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:40,159
>> I didn't pull up those numbers. I think

2057
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:44,070
you're right.

2058
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,600
» We may not plant the grass this year,

2059
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,120
though. If there's no water,

2060
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,639
>> this probably wouldn't be a great year.

2061
01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:50,080
>> Yeah, you know, we were talking is there

2062
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,239
any way to do some more zero scaping or

2063
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:54,800
I don't know, but more rocks.

2064
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,400
>> Is there something else we can

2065
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:57,920
>> question, what about putting in

2066
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,480
artificial turf instead of laying grass?

2067
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:02,159
>> Has anybody researched what that would

2068
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:05,120
cost? We did uh actually on a sewer

2069
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,960
station. Um it was more money to put in

2070
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,320
obviously you get out of the

2071
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:11,360
maintenance.

2072
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,280
>> The biggest kind of factor that we

2073
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,760
decided maybe not was the how long it

2074
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,560
lasted.

2075
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,280
>> Okay. And I've had that concern, but I

2076
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,280
just heard a company talk the other day

2077
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,280
that puts it in gives you a 25-year

2078
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:24,560
guarantee

2079
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:25,840
>> on artificial turf.

2080
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:26,960
>> That's what I read too.

2081
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:28,800
>> If you've got a 25-y year guarantee and

2082
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,159
you don't got to water it, love it,

2083
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:33,120
maintain it, do anything to it, you can

2084
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,120
You could spend some more on it and you

2085
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,840
would come out way for a hit.

2086
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,320
>> It's a It's a good thing to look at.

2087
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,800
>> The school where Cindy works put in and

2088
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:43,600
they love it.

2089
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,280
>> Okay. The kids are out there even Well,

2090
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,360
not this year. We had no snow, but when

2091
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,440
there was snow, it was always And the

2092
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:50,960
kids, you'd see them out there laying on

2093
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:51,280
it

2094
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:51,920
>> all the time.

2095
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:52,320
>> Yeah.

2096
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,120
>> They love it.

2097
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,159
>> And we may have another $89,000

2098
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:58,320
connection fee for out here. We don't

2099
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,159
know. That's something. It's another

2100
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:01,040
discussion.

2101
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,199
>> We We got to look into that. Get

2102
01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:05,600
artificial turf because I think that

2103
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,080
might pay for itself in 10 years and you

2104
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,239
wouldn't have to worry about it again.

2105
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:11,520
>> We need to research that.

2106
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,520
>> Yeah.

2107
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,120
>> No, there is.

2108
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,520
>> We could do some zerocaping in front

2109
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,600
with some rocks if ever we, you know, we

2110
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,440
talked about doing like a small family

2111
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:24,000
pavilion maybe sometime even a small

2112
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,080
restroom.

2113
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,679
>> And we kind of I think the thought

2114
01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:30,080
process was to put enough turf around it

2115
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,199
to keep the blowing onto the court. But

2116
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:36,159
>> we had a plan at one time to expand all

2117
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:38,320
that. So, I wouldn't want to spend tons

2118
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,280
of money if we do plan on expanding and

2119
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,719
then go tear it out.

2120
01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:45,600
>> Expanding the

2121
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:46,000
courts.

2122
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,000
>> Yeah, the original plan has another

2123
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,400
phase that puts that many more.

2124
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,960
>> Do we need more?

2125
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,560
I mean, they get used when they get

2126
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:55,920
used, but

2127
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,199
>> maybe when we have more busy people.

2128
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:00,639
>> Well, and that's a discussion, too. Do

2129
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:02,560
we do more pickle ball or do we do

2130
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,600
something else? I don't know. Those are

2131
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,000
maybe ask for donations for more pickle

2132
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,719
ball. It's amazing

2133
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:12,560
people are willing to donate for pickle

2134
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:12,800
ball.

2135
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,159
>> I just hear so many people that don't

2136
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,440
play pickle ball complaining about

2137
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:17,360
pickle ball. It's like, yeah, but it

2138
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:18,960
does get used. You don't either very

2139
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,159
often in the morning.

2140
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:21,280
>> Do we want to hear him talk about the

2141
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,280
sheriff contract? Hurry in. Just real

2142
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:24,320
quick,

2143
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,880
>> the sheriff contract.

2144
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:28,719
>> I I sent this to all of you, didn't I?

2145
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:30,400
Didn't Did you all receive this on the

2146
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,000
sheriff contract?

2147
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,239
>> We may be having a meeting coming up.

2148
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:36,320
They haven't decided for sure, but if we

2149
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,280
do, you'll all be invited to go to that.

2150
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:43,280
We fared fairly well. Some of the other

2151
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:48,239
cities not so good. So, I I actually

2152
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:50,239
>> percentage issue we've had for so many

2153
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:53,600
years. Yeah, we've been I was happy to

2154
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,000
see.

2155
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,560
>> Yeah. So, I I was actually pleasantly

2156
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,120
surprised when they passed this out

2157
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,000
>> at 6040.

2158
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,520
We got less of an increase.

2159
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:04,000
>> Yeah.

2160
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,480
We ours, in fact, they said, you

2161
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:09,199
know, that it actually our came in less

2162
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:11,360
than what they actually build us. And

2163
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,600
so, it really didn't end up being Oh,

2164
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,440
yeah.

2165
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,840
>> less have less crime. It should

2166
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:18,960
>> less cost.

2167
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,120
>> Yeah. and they take care of less

2168
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,880
animals.

2169
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,639
That's animal control.

2170
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:27,199
>> So 12%

2171
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:28,480
and the next lowest was

2172
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:31,360
>> Huntsville.

2173
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,440
>> And that's it. So we're second for an

2174
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:37,600
increase. But look at some of them.

2175
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,080
>> Poor West Haven got the hit.

2176
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:40,480
>> Well,

2177
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:42,960
>> so did Washington Terrace and they have

2178
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,360
less employees or less residents than we

2179
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,669
do.

2180
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:50,960
I got three kids that work off of that

2181
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,199
call center in there for law

2182
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:56,880
enforcement. It's West gets bombed

2183
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,719
>> with calls.

2184
01:29:58,719 --> 01:30:02,080
>> They should be paying for it.

2185
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:03,600
>> So,

2186
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,400
um, we did have, you know, 50,000

2187
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,960
increase with that and they're

2188
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,199
estimating 50,000 every year going

2189
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:16,800
forward. So, at least. So, you know,

2190
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,000
>> it's something that we need to think

2191
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,400
about. I'm not saying that we want to um

2192
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,520
jump into anything, but definitely we

2193
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,280
need to start having discussion about

2194
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:33,440
how that funding is going to be

2195
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,719
funded with that 50,000

2196
01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:40,800
increase every year. Are we

2197
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,320
going to do truth and taxation to fund

2198
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,280
that? How are we going to fund $50,000

2199
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,280
more in police services every year?

2200
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,600
>> You create a new line item for law

2201
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,199
enforcement so people can see where it's

2202
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:55,520
going.

2203
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,120
>> Where it's going, you know, you create a

2204
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,000
TNT for law.

2205
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,600
>> I agree. I agree.

2206
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:06,480
>> We've had so many people that think that gets paid for out of the property

2207
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:09,360
taxes and it doesn't. a whole a whole

2208
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:10,400
different ball of wax.

2209
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,239
>> Yeah. And I I think the police

2210
01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:14,159
department themselves should just put

2211
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:17,040
that as a line item, the county should

2212
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,159
charge that.

2213
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:21,199
>> Speaking there of police department.

2214
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:23,040
>> But no, but we talked about having a

2215
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,800
small property tax every year that

2216
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,760
rather than it being a huge one that if

2217
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,679
we really did say this small property

2218
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:31,840
tax sometime we're going to have to bite

2219
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,080
the bullet because we have never had a

2220
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,320
property tax increase. Well, especially

2221
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:37,760
an expense that large.

2222
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:38,880
>> Yeah.

2223
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,760
>> Typically, not not saying I'm a pro on

2224
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:45,280
this, but I have seen it and experience.

2225
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,400
Typically, if you can tie a property tax

2226
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,679
increase to law enforcement or uh fire,

2227
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:54,320
people are more understanding.

2228
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:58,239
Um just rough number about 16% increase

2229
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:00,480
is what we would need to get $50,000

2230
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:03,199
more that big of an increase because our

2231
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:06,159
property tax rate is so low.

2232
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:09,840
Um when I have seen property tax

2233
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,520
increases

2234
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:15,760
um happen the discussion for next year

2235
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,000
is done now.

2236
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,320
The educating the public is done now.

2237
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,199
The getting the out to the public,

2238
01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:27,920
letting them know this is what causes

2239
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:29,679
this. This is what we're looking at.

2240
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:31,600
This is how much you're paying. This is

2241
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,600
how much you're paying for, you know,

2242
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:39,280
these services. Um, information, information. Get it out.

2243
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:43,840
You start now for next year. And people

2244
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,239
typically understand more and they're

2245
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:49,120
educated. And once the public's educated

2246
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,440
on it, it becomes a much easier

2247
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:54,239
conversation to have. and a much better

2248
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,480
conversation to have. It's less feeling

2249
01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,880
oriented. There's still fillings, but

2250
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,480
it's more fact oriented, but my feelings

2251
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,440
have always been if you're going to do

2252
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:07,840
property tax increase, you start the

2253
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,080
conversation with the public now for

2254
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,480
next year and you start the conversation

2255
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:16,159
with your council now for next year. So,

2256
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:19,679
you said 16%. Is that going to be 16% a

2257
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:22,800
year or we would have to go up 16% to

2258
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,159
cover that increase? 16%

2259
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:29,360
to generate 50,000 more revenue.

2260
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,679
>> So the percentage would be per year

2261
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:33,360
because you're dealing with more to

2262
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:34,159
start with.

2263
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:35,040
>> Yeah.

2264
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:37,760
>> But you're so small right now.

2265
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,920
>> You're close. I mean, don't it's not a

2266
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:41,600
solidified answer yet.

2267
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:42,400
>> But I'm wondering,

2268
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:46,800
>> but that gives you an idea. And if you

2269
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,120
understand how property tax works,

2270
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:52,159
unless you in do truth and taxation,

2271
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:54,080
every single year, your property tax

2272
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,280
rate actually goes down every year. So

2273
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,440
you have to do truth and taxation to

2274
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:03,440
even maintain your property tax

2275
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:04,560
rate.

2276
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,960
>> Well, truth and taxation is you you tell

2277
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:08,719
the county we need this much money. You

2278
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:10,239
give them a dollar amount

2279
01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:13,120
>> and they give you what your tax rate is

2280
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,120
going to be and that chang

2281
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,679
based on property values and whatnot.

2282
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:19,840
And so every year you say, "Well, we're

2283
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:21,360
going to need this much money." They

2284
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,360
say, "Okay, they'll figure it out and

2285
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:24,719
come back with a figure."

2286
01:34:24,719 --> 01:34:28,639
>> Yep. Exactly. But right now, because you

2287
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:30,639
haven't told them you want more, they

2288
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:34,560
say, "You budgeted or you build for

2289
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,239
300,000."

2290
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:38,400
It's not really that much. It's less.

2291
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,120
Truth, you know. Um, but you build for

2292
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,400
300,000. You only collected 290. Guess

2293
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,000
what? We're only going to build that

2294
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:47,679
rate for 290 because that's all you

2295
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:50,560
collected

2296
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,880
minus new growth. You know, I mean, your

2297
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,280
new growth is your only thing that's

2298
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,760
causing you to get more money.

2299
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,199
>> One quick question. Is there any chance

2300
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:02,080
we can get a grant for the the hookup at

2301
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,719
the cemetery for the water thing that

2302
01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:06,400
we're dealing with?

2303
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,320
>> I we could look I don't I don't know

2304
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,120
where exactly to look for that, but We

2305
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:12,800
got to talk to somebody about something

2306
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:13,679
like that.

2307
01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:14,880
>> Okay. Well, thank you, Cammy.

2308
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,440
>> Do we want to talk about next meeting or

2309
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:19,360
>> Yes, real quick.

2310
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:23,600
>> So, so real quick. So, the first meeting

2311
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,400
in April is actually during spring break

2312
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:27,840
and we don't know if we're going to have

2313
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,080
any staff here to even do that meeting

2314
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,120
>> or council people So, we're thinking we

2315
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:34,960
probably need to cancel that meeting,

2316
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,040
but then we could c we could schedule a

2317
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,800
budget meeting perhaps the next week.

2318
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,560
And then we could still then have our

2319
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,320
regular meeting the third week, city

2320
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,159
council meeting, but maybe sometime

2321
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:47,840
during that second week have a budget

2322
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:48,880
meeting.

2323
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,360
>> I'm okay with that.

2324
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:52,400
>> On the 9th.

2325
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:53,199
>> Okay.

2326
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:56,320
>> I'll be I'll be going down to you for a

2327
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:57,679
training that week. So

2328
01:35:57,679 --> 01:35:58,639
>> on the 9th,

2329
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:00,239
>> just that whole week, 6 through the

2330
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:02,239
10th.

2331
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:04,400
>> We'll have someone else. Okay. Okay.

2332
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,080
Thank you. Well, then if that's okay,

2333
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,000
we'll just No, we won't have meeting on

2334
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,040
the

2335
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,600
>> I'm going to try and come up with actual

2336
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,719
printouts for you at that and the

2337
01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:18,560
binders like D and some of you have um

2338
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,920
but that keep in mind I'll have draft

2339
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,320
across them. They're very draft but at

2340
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:25,760
least you'll have some numbers.

2341
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,199
>> We appreciate how you do

2342
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:29,040
>> trimmed out some of them that we don't

2343
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,719
have yet. You gave us

2344
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:31,920
>> and that's what I'm hoping with the

2345
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,679
draft and I'll try and get that to you

2346
01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:35,360
sooner than But yeah, we're going up

2347
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:37,360
here. But I appreciate you being here

2348
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,520
both of you and Rob because then they

2349
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:40,639
might have questions. So this will be

2350
01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:49,109
great.

2351
01:36:49,119 --> 01:36:51,440
» Thank you for the direction.

2352
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:54,400
Thank you guys. Thank you.

2353
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:55,520
>> That helps me.

2354
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:57,199
>> You are amazing.

2355
01:36:57,199 --> 01:36:59,040
>> Thank you.

2356
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,550
>> You call me.

2357
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,360
you'll come take care of those cows.

2358
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,760
>> Well, I sure appreciate you more than

2359
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,360
you know.

2360
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:10,400
>> We do it a lot.

2361
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,520
>> So, my husband was very thankful and so

2362
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,199
was I cuz I was in the middle of tax

2363
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:16,480
appointments and I'm like, I don't have

2364
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:20,080
time to buy homes.

2365
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:21,840
I'm like, just shoot the things. I don't

2366
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:32,550
have time to deal with

2367
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:36,960
Ryan, thank you for guiding.

2368
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,440
I don't know if you heard me. Thank you.

2369
01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:41,199
>> I know. Right.

2370
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:42,880
>> They switches.

2371
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:44,159
>> You're here.

2372
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:46,000
>> Oh,

2373
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:51,750
>> there. Does that help?

2374
01:37:51,760 --> 01:38:08,390
» Oh, he's not here. So, we're just

2375
01:38:08,400 --> 01:39:24,550
Thank you for dinner.

2376
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,800
We would like to welcome you to our city

2377
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,440
council meeting for Hipper City. Today

2378
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:32,639
is Thursday, March 19th.

2379
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:34,080
We're going to call our meeting to

2380
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:35,520
order. We're going to have a pledge of

2381
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,400
allegiance by council member Hill and

2382
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:39,840
then we're going to have a reverence by

2383
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:47,750
council member Hancock.

2384
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,800
» Will you be with me? Ice

2385
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,520
to the flag of the United States of

2386
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,639
America and to the republic for which it

2387
01:39:56,639 --> 01:40:00,159
stands. One nation under God,

2388
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:02,800
indivisible, with liberty and justice

2389
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:09,350
for all.

2390
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,119
» Our Father in heaven, as we come before

2391
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:12,639
you tonight, we would ask that the

2392
01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:14,480
things that we discuss here this evening

2393
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:16,480
may be

2394
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:19,199
discussed thoroughly and with the spirit

2395
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:21,600
guiding the decisions that are made, if

2396
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,000
any are, and

2397
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,880
that we may do things that will make

2398
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,320
this better place for us to live in,

2399
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:32,480
better place for our residents to raise

2400
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:34,800
their children,

2401
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,600
and to maintain an atmosphere as best we

2402
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,679
can for what we enjoy. We thank you for

2403
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:41,440
the many blessings that was given to us.

2404
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:44,239
We ask you to continue to watch over,

2405
01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:46,480
guide, and direct not only our city, but

2406
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:48,400
our country and the events that are

2407
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,480
unfolding worldwide.

2408
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:52,639
We ask that you

2409
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:55,440
keep thy hand close to us and guide us

2410
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:57,199
in the directions we should go. We ask

2411
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:58,159
these things in the name of Jesus

2412
01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:01,040
Christ. Amen.

2413
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:04,159
>> Thank you. We want to excuse council

2414
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:06,560
members Rapalto and Craig who are not

2415
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,199
here with us tonight. So, as far as

2416
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:11,040
upcoming events, we just remind you to

2417
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,040
look at our monthly newsletter that's on

2418
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,119
our website. We have our Easter egg

2419
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:17,600
coming up and also the city cleanup. So,

2420
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,719
make sure you look at those events. So,

2421
01:41:20,719 --> 01:41:22,880
first we have public comments. Is there

2422
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,639
anyone here that would like to make a

2423
01:41:24,639 --> 01:41:28,629
public comment?

2424
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:30,719
Seeing no public comments, we will move

2425
01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:32,719
on then to our first consent item, which

2426
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:35,280
is approval of the minutes dated March

2427
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,920
5th, 2026.

2428
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,560
Is there any corrections on those

2429
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:44,070
minutes?

2430
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,239
Okay. If no one has any corrections, is

2431
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:48,000
there would like to make a motion to

2432
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,560
approve those.

2433
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:51,760
>> I'll make a motion

2434
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,040
>> to approve.

2435
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:54,800
>> Okay. The motion was made by council

2436
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,440
member Hill. Is there a second?

2437
01:41:57,440 --> 01:41:59,360
>> I'll second that motion.

2438
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:00,960
>> Second was made by council member

2439
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:04,000
Hancock. Any discussion on the motion?

2440
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,520
All in favor?

2441
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:06,320
>> I.

2442
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:10,480
>> Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. Okay.

2443
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:13,360
So the first thing we have then as an

2444
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,600
action item is the motion approval of

2445
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:18,560
our economic development policy. So we

2446
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:19,920
had already talked about this

2447
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:22,320
previously. I sent out the redlinined

2448
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,119
version. I didn't hear back from anybody

2449
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:28,639
with any corrections. We have both of

2450
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:31,440
our um writers rep and Cody deer here

2451
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:34,159
with us tonight. So do you have any

2452
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:36,960
questions on that or if not if we're

2453
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:43,030
ready to just approve that policy?

2454
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:44,719
I had a discussion with Brian the other

2455
01:42:44,719 --> 01:42:49,280
day about just how we are potentially,

2456
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,840
you know, how does this tie us in down

2457
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,520
the road like if we adopt CRA and stuff

2458
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,000
from what I read it doesn't bind us to

2459
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:01,600
do anything in the future just just this

2460
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,159
particular instance if we it's a case by

2461
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:06,960
case basis correct correct answer this

2462
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,600
is just a framework for In the event

2463
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,199
that you decide that you want to create

2464
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:13,199
a CRA or you want to create some sort of

2465
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:15,679
financing incentive, this is the

2466
01:43:15,679 --> 01:43:17,199
framework to help guide that. But you're

2467
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:19,600
not bound to do it by adopting it.

2468
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:20,639
>> It's not locking.

2469
01:43:20,639 --> 01:43:22,239
>> Correct.

2470
01:43:22,239 --> 01:43:23,520
>> Y

2471
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,080
>> and so that brings up my question is you

2472
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:33,360
know if you have a policy kind of

2473
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,639
um you're adopting something that you

2474
01:43:36,639 --> 01:43:38,800
this is your framework to

2475
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,920
future, you know, I mean, I guess what

2476
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:45,760
I'm saying is I I think at least for

2477
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:47,280
city and a lot of the surrounding

2478
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:50,159
communities, this is an unproven

2479
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:52,960
uh policy with CRAS and TIS. You know,

2480
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,920
just just recently we've got far less

2481
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,360
using one or just applied for one. Um I

2482
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,639
think they're a little bit um unproven

2483
01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:05,679
as far as we were counting goes. I know

2484
01:44:05,679 --> 01:44:07,360
I reached out to Stephanie Russell and

2485
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,480
she sent me um kind of a framework for

2486
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:14,080
what we county uses and it's very

2487
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:17,520
conservative. You've probably seen it um

2488
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,280
you know

2489
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:24,000
very limits um using Cas and Tiff

2490
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,639
commercial development and not

2491
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:32,320
residential at all. Um it limits um

2492
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:36,400
the the time frame to 10 years. Um

2493
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:40,480
limits the the cap on the dollar amount

2494
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:44,960
and uh the tax increment 50%. And so,

2495
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,040
you know, that's that's quite a bit less

2496
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,600
than what we initially were proposed

2497
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,199
with the project we dealt with last

2498
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:54,159
year. And so,

2499
01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:58,000
um that being said, I I think as a city,

2500
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,199
we could still use these

2501
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:05,040
um not policies, these tools, CRAAS and

2502
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,840
TIFFs without creating a polic

2503
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:10,159
if that makes sense. Like to me, if

2504
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,320
you're creating a policy, that means the

2505
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,080
entire council's agreed with it and

2506
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:16,960
we're ready to just use these tools, you

2507
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:22,800
know, today. Um, and I my whole fear is

2508
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,520
that it's an unproven

2509
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:27,040
tool,

2510
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,440
especially for city. You know, we don't

2511
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:30,880
know how it's going to work. None of us

2512
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,960
have been down this road before. We

2513
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,119
don't know the successes, the failures,

2514
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:37,440
all in between. We have no idea, you

2515
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:39,440
know, to adopt a policy that hasn't been

2516
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:45,760
proven for me is is iffy. So that that's

2517
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:49,119
where my pain is is I don't know how

2518
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:50,960
these tools are going to work. I'm not

2519
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,560
saying I'll never look at them and say,

2520
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,440
"Hey, there's a possibility to use." I'm

2521
01:45:55,440 --> 01:45:57,199
just saying I hate to adopt a policy

2522
01:45:57,199 --> 01:46:00,560
that ties me to it if I don't know how

2523
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,639
that's going to work for me.

2524
01:46:02,639 --> 01:46:07,030
on a project in the future

2525
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,719
to answer that. Okay. So, fair point.

2526
01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:13,040
Um, at least for Hooker, you know, a lot

2527
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,239
of I would say that the CRAAS and tax

2528
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:20,400
financing in Weber County is used by a

2529
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,400
lot of a lot of cities and some of them

2530
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:25,600
goes back since the 80s. So, for for a

2531
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:27,199
municipality,

2532
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:30,480
tax increment financing is the main tool

2533
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:32,320
that you would use.

2534
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,560
if needed, right? And it's it's a proven

2535
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,600
tool for sure. The policy and again we

2536
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:40,719
tried to the goal of the policy isn't to

2537
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:43,119
tie you into doing anything. It's when

2538
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:45,920
you're approached by a developer when

2539
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,239
you're approached by a business or an

2540
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:53,760
entity that wants that needs to create

2541
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:56,800
tax increment, right? So maybe there's

2542
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:58,639
different obstacles in the way. So

2543
01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:00,960
there's there's a lot of infrastru

2544
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,119
development that's going to happen in

2545
01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:05,440
commercial development and other things

2546
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:08,239
that could make it so they can't just

2547
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:10,159
develop. They need some sort of public

2548
01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:12,960
assistance and that's what this tool is

2549
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,040
made for and not the policy but the CRA

2550
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,480
tool. But what's good about the policy

2551
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:22,639
is it helps weed out maybe some projects

2552
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:24,320
that you wouldn't be interested in

2553
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:26,800
pursuing and it kind of helps guide

2554
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,920
developers where they do want to create

2555
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,880
a that you want to create a PID or

2556
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,600
something. There's a framework in place

2557
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,880
and there's procedures and a process in

2558
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:42,719
place that would just help you as a a

2559
01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:45,760
body decide if you wanted to create a

2560
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:47,840
CRA or create a PID. It doesn't force

2561
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:51,040
you to do that. You still have that

2562
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:52,480
decision and you would still need to go

2563
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:54,960
through the different steps to do that.

2564
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:58,560
This is just more of a a way to kind of

2565
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,400
I would say guard your

2566
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:03,360
right? It's a way to help

2567
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,760
that initial step, but you still need to

2568
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,679
go through the whole process of of

2569
01:48:07,679 --> 01:48:09,679
vetting projects and deciding if it's

2570
01:48:09,679 --> 01:48:12,719
something that you would want to do. And

2571
01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:14,239
I would say with the county and the

2572
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:16,000
school districts, they have a lot of

2573
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,080
those policies in place and they are

2574
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:21,040
more um strict and more stringent than

2575
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:22,639
the policy that you have in front of

2576
01:48:22,639 --> 01:48:24,719
you. And that's we didn't really want to

2577
01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:26,560
say, hey, you're limited to certain

2578
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:27,840
amount of years and a certain amount of

2579
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:31,119
percentage um because on a case by case

2580
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:32,719
basis, we want to look at those

2581
01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:34,320
individually.

2582
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:38,239
So, but I get your your perspective of,

2583
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:41,040
you know, being worried that this will

2584
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,199
bind you as a board, but and as a

2585
01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:45,360
council, but I don't I think we crafted

2586
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:49,750
it in a way that it should do that.

2587
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:51,280
And I think it's it's smart to have

2588
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,360
these. I think more cities would be

2589
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,199
good, right? Counties and school

2590
01:48:55,199 --> 01:48:56,560
districts, like I mentioned, those

2591
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,960
taxing entities, they have a lot of

2592
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:00,719
policies and even a lot of your special

2593
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:02,880
service districts are having them.

2594
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,520
Cities don't really have them as

2595
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:07,440
frequent as those ones and I think it's

2596
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,920
a smart policy to have because it just

2597
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:16,390
protects you as a as a council.

2598
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:18,400
» Well, I would have that same concern

2599
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:24,080
that if we approve a policy that we're making a step forward as though

2600
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,560
we're agreeing to all this. And I don't

2601
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,920
know why we couldn't be selective with

2602
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:32,000
these, you know, whether it's a CRA, a

2603
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,560
P, a TIFF. I don't know why we couldn't

2604
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:37,679
be selective with those without having a

2605
01:49:37,679 --> 01:49:40,000
policy in place.

2606
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,560
You know, why couldn't we just It just

2607
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,760
seems like a policy is almost setting a

2608
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:48,080
direction that

2609
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:57,840
maybe we would want to go. So, in my opinion, I don't think this is

2610
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,679
Hey, we're going to create CRAAS, we're

2611
01:49:59,679 --> 01:50:02,159
going to create PIDs. It's just saying

2612
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:04,000
in the event that we decide we want to

2613
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,679
do that, right? And we included

2614
01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:08,639
throughout the policy that you as a as a

2615
01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:10,800
council and then if you if it is a CRA,

2616
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:14,159
a board, you can be selective. It's just

2617
01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:16,560
saying, hey, these are the steps that

2618
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,440
we're going to require if we do decide

2619
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:23,360
to create a CRA or so. We'll use the

2620
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:24,719
example that you had, right? when you

2621
01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:26,400
had the developer come in, you're like,

2622
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,960
"Hey, we want to do this." And then they

2623
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,280
gave you a feasibility study. They did

2624
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,239
all this stuff. This is now putting

2625
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:37,920
steps and tools in place that you as a

2626
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,400
council aren't are in charge of. You

2627
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:46,310
have control over.

2628
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,560
» So, we had already discussed in council

2629
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:51,440
before about doing the policy. We have

2630
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:53,440
already secured this company to do the

2631
01:50:53,440 --> 01:50:55,520
polic. So, are there things in here you

2632
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:58,560
would like changed differently? Because

2633
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:00,800
when we discussed this before, we had

2634
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,600
already approved to do a policy and then

2635
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,520
they were have, you know, we're writing

2636
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,159
this up. They sent it to us and we were

2637
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:09,760
waiting to see if there were some things

2638
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,600
with the legislative session if there

2639
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,000
were things that they built that into

2640
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,639
that. So, this is something that we had

2641
01:51:16,639 --> 01:51:18,480
already decided to do. So, is there

2642
01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:20,159
things in here you would like to see

2643
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:22,159
them? No, that was the purpose of

2644
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:24,960
sending out that red line

2645
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:29,119
copy to you to see. And and it's not

2646
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:30,880
this doesn't have to be if you don't

2647
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,360
feel quite comfortable with this yet and

2648
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:34,800
there are things you would like to have

2649
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,040
them change. That's certainly something

2650
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:39,360
we could do. And like you said, it is

2651
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:42,159
really a flexible broad, but it is

2652
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:44,719
really good to have some kind of policy.

2653
01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:46,639
And I know already it's been a

2654
01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:49,199
beneficial even for our city planner as

2655
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:51,599
we've had developers will say, "Oh, we'd

2656
01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:53,679
be interested in this." That he could

2657
01:51:53,679 --> 01:51:56,719
actually say, "Well, here's a draft form

2658
01:51:56,719 --> 01:51:59,440
of a policy." So, they can see because

2659
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:01,679
there's if it's not anything the city

2660
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:03,599
would ever consider, it won't it won't

2661
01:52:03,599 --> 01:52:05,679
ever be in our policy. But again, it

2662
01:52:05,679 --> 01:52:10,470
gives us that flexibility.

2663
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:14,159
» I I just received um an email from

2664
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:18,239
Stephanie today. Otherwise, I would have

2665
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:21,599
prepared to talk about this, but

2666
01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:23,760
she she included some language that I

2667
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:27,520
think is worth looking at. Um,

2668
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,159
and um,

2669
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:32,400
I can certainly send it to everybody,

2670
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,480
you know, to look at look at it and see

2671
01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:37,599
if it's even worth incorporating.

2672
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:41,040
Um, I think now that I've learned more

2673
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:42,800
about it in these last several weeks, I

2674
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:45,599
think it's definitely worth uh, putting

2675
01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:49,280
in language that really restricts the

2676
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:52,320
CRAAS to commercial developments um

2677
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:53,920
instead of residential because we don't

2678
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:55,840
want to finance a developer project for

2679
01:52:55,840 --> 01:53:01,520
residential development. Now that's not what a CRA in my mind is

2680
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:04,800
intended for. Um the other thing I read

2681
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:08,080
about CRA is that project is going to

2682
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:11,599
happen no matter what without a CRA or

2683
01:53:11,599 --> 01:53:15,440
without a TIF or a bid and it's not

2684
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:17,840
invest in that project if they're going

2685
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:20,639
to build it anyway with private money

2686
01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:22,560
that it's not smart to throw public

2687
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:23,760
money at it.

2688
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,719
>> And so, um, I think we need to probably

2689
01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:28,480
emphasize that a little bit more as

2690
01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:31,679
well, um, in this policy. I think

2691
01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:34,800
Stephanie has has included language to

2692
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:35,920
those two things

2693
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,840
>> and that that's addressed in the policy,

2694
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:41,199
but we're definitely great with revising

2695
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:43,520
and adding some of that. we do have in

2696
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,920
there that they need to have some sort

2697
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,719
of but for right and again without the

2698
01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:50,639
policy you don't have that in place with

2699
01:53:50,639 --> 01:53:53,119
the policy you do say hey before we

2700
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:56,320
consider a CRA before you consider a bid

2701
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,320
we need to have above four analysis we

2702
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:00,880
need to have a feasibility study we need

2703
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,840
to see a cost benefit right and so those

2704
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:07,119
are in place and I do agree as a city as

2705
01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:09,119
any tax entity you only want to

2706
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:12,000
participate in these if there is a for a

2707
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:13,920
true need. So yeah, if you want to add

2708
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:16,000
more language to that in here, we're

2709
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:17,280
great. And then the other thing I would

2710
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:21,360
just say is we do have eligible and

2711
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:24,000
priority business types in here where we

2712
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:25,840
prioritize

2713
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:27,440
businesses

2714
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:30,159
um agricultural act support or value

2715
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:32,639
added agricultural uses, light

2716
01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:35,199
industrial and flex space uses,

2717
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:36,960
employment generating. So we do say

2718
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:38,960
really hey we want businesses and then

2719
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:41,599
we say lower priority discourage

2720
01:54:41,599 --> 01:54:43,840
And we do mention housing and things

2721
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:46,000
there. So we do address that, but we

2722
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,400
could definitely

2723
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:49,760
>> Yeah. And what we try to do with these

2724
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,639
is we want to keep them we want to make

2725
01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:55,280
sure that we do address those concerns,

2726
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:58,400
but we also if let's say that there's a

2727
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:00,719
use right now that maybe you don't want

2728
01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:02,400
and then you say we're not going to

2729
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,480
allow this and then you have someone

2730
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,480
come in and they want to do something

2731
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:08,400
that you think's great, but now you have

2732
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,159
a policy that says we're not going to do

2733
01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:12,320
it. We don't want to tie your hands in

2734
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,159
any way with this policy. We really just

2735
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:17,760
want to help you as a council make

2736
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,639
informed decisions that are beneficial

2737
01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:24,000
for the residents and for the city.

2738
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:25,360
>> Would you feel comfortable, Council

2739
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,040
Member Hill, and tableabling this and

2740
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:28,800
then working a little bit more on the

2741
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,119
language?

2742
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:33,920
>> That's what I would suggest. Um, I'll

2743
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:35,520
just throw one thing out there that she

2744
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:40,239
included in hers was it's called a

2745
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:42,719
current allocation scoring system.

2746
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:44,480
>> I don't know if you've seen that in

2747
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:47,040
other ones before, but that might be

2748
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,119
beneficial to us as well to create a

2749
01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:53,440
scoring system where we um place more

2750
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:55,440
emphasis on the things that work as a

2751
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:56,400
council.

2752
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:58,880
>> So anyway, I hate to throw this on you

2753
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,639
at the last minute. We already got this

2754
01:56:00,639 --> 01:56:03,440
email today. I apologize, but I think it

2755
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:06,000
would be worthwhile to send this to

2756
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,920
everybody um even you guys and

2757
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:13,280
tweaking a little bit.

2758
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:14,639
>> Yeah. And that's great. So, our team,

2759
01:56:14,639 --> 01:56:15,599
just, you know, I have a great

2760
01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:17,199
relationship with Stephanie. I actually

2761
01:56:17,199 --> 01:56:19,679
helped her draft their policy and I've

2762
01:56:19,679 --> 01:56:21,679
helped Davis County draft theirs and a

2763
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:23,119
lot of the other entities. So, I'm great

2764
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:25,360
to even work with her and send her this

2765
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:26,960
and say, "Hey, what would you think

2766
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:28,239
could be some good things that we could

2767
01:56:28,239 --> 01:56:31,669
add?"

2768
01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:34,080
» Is everybody okay with that? And and I

2769
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:36,800
would also like Councilman Craig and to

2770
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,440
take a look at this as well, just all on

2771
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:43,119
the same page with it. That's okay.

2772
01:56:43,119 --> 01:56:44,880
>> I think they probably reviewed it, but

2773
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,440
we haven't got much input back from yet

2774
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,800
because of the situation. So, but I

2775
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:52,159
think you pretty well answered my

2776
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,880
questions and you know good where you're

2777
01:56:54,880 --> 01:57:00,149
going but I think maybe

2778
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:02,639
I'll make a motion to table

2779
01:57:02,639 --> 01:57:05,599
of development policy

2780
01:57:05,599 --> 01:57:07,280
some

2781
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:10,000
more information.

2782
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,320
>> The motion was made by council member

2783
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:13,920
Hill. Is there a second?

2784
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:14,960
>> I'll second.

2785
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:16,719
>> The second is made by council member

2786
01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:20,239
Fowers. Any discussion on the motion?

2787
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:21,760
All in favor?

2788
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:22,880
>> I.

2789
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,520
>> Any opposed?

2790
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:29,520
Okay, that we'll table that. Okay, so

2791
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:32,320
the next thing we have is a business

2792
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:35,589
license.

2793
01:57:35,599 --> 01:57:47,589
Thank you.

2794
01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:50,239
Do you want to first if you want to come

2795
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:52,719
up? The business license is for the

2796
01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:54,560
watering hole. Do you want to come up?

2797
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:57,599
We'll turn some time.

2798
01:57:57,599 --> 01:57:59,040
>> Just state your name.

2799
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:01,360
>> Rachel Larson.

2800
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:06,320
Um so I have just starting a new

2801
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,080
business and it's called the water and

2802
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:09,360
hall.

2803
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:12,080
We've turned a few trailers, horse old

2804
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:15,520
horse trailers into soda bars and we go

2805
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:18,400
around to private events, birthdays,

2806
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,719
weddings, anniversaries, retirement

2807
01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:25,760
parties. Um, and so we're just looking

2808
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,520
for a business license so we can get

2809
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:31,199
this thing off the ground and going.

2810
01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:34,639
>> Is there any questions from the council?

2811
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:39,040
>> How big is your property? It's a half.

2812
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:39,840
>> Okay.

2813
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:42,719
>> And then I also have a friend that um

2814
01:58:42,719 --> 01:58:46,639
lets me trail on her property and it's a

2815
01:58:46,639 --> 01:58:48,000
half acre.

2816
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:50,880
>> But is it is just curiosity contiguous

2817
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:52,000
to yours?

2818
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:52,880
>> I'm sorry. What

2819
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:56,320
>> is it touch her property or is it close?

2820
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:58,560
>> It's just Yeah, it's just a block away.

2821
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:00,320
>> Okay.

2822
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:02,159
>> But you're not doing the traders from

2823
01:59:02,159 --> 01:59:04,639
your home. You're taking me to a private

2824
01:59:04,639 --> 01:59:06,080
event.

2825
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:09,360
>> Like Yeah. Like the copper nickel or um

2826
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:13,679
you know the bed bar. Yeah. Usually we

2827
01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:16,480
don't do it at the house. We just store

2828
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:25,510
them there.

2829
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:26,800
» Drinks.

2830
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:27,840
>> It's drinks.

2831
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:31,430
>> Yes.

2832
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:33,440
It was drinks. I saw one of the pictures

2833
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:36,639
from Copper Nickel that they have set up

2834
01:59:36,639 --> 01:59:49,830
their specialty.

2835
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:52,800
» We did not a little while ago. We just

2836
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:56,560
donated everything for um

2837
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:58,480
a fundraiser.

2838
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:02,709
a lot of funding for the community.

2839
02:00:02,719 --> 02:00:05,040
» Curiosity, you said a few trailers. How

2840
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:08,159
many is a few in your estimation?

2841
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:08,639
>> Two.

2842
02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:10,400
That's pretty.

2843
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:13,119
>> Yeah, just a few. I have one more, but

2844
02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:15,280
until I get these two like both going a

2845
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:18,800
lot then,

2846
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:20,800
you know, but it's a friend's house and

2847
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:22,960
it needs new tires and everything. I

2848
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:24,560
mean,

2849
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:27,920
>> two two is not something I would have

2850
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:30,639
When you said a few, I was, you know,

2851
02:00:30,639 --> 02:00:33,280
that's pretty general, but yeah, that's

2852
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:37,109
not a big deal.

2853
02:00:37,119 --> 02:00:40,080
» Any other questions from council or

2854
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,560
Rachel?

2855
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:44,400
>> So, just to that point, you have a

2856
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:46,320
halfacre lot. You have two trailers.

2857
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,239
You're able to park those trailers on

2858
02:00:48,239 --> 02:00:53,750
your lot, not on the street. Correct.

2859
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:55,280
» I'll make the motion to approve the

2860
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:59,510
business license for

2861
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:01,119
Okay. The motion was made by council

2862
02:01:01,119 --> 02:01:03,040
member Hill. Is there a second?

2863
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:04,800
>> I'll second that motion.

2864
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:06,320
>> Second was made by council member

2865
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:10,480
Hancock. Any discussion on the motion?

2866
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:12,800
>> Okay. All in favor?

2867
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:13,119
>> I.

2868
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:20,870
>> Any opposed? Okay. Thank you.

2869
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:22,960
» Okay. That's all we have for our meeting

2870
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:25,520
tonight. So, with that, we'll have a

2871
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:28,320
motion to adjurnn.

2872
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,480
>> I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

2873
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:31,119
>> Second.

2874
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:33,199
>> Okay. Motion made by council member

2875
02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:35,920
Fowers and seconded by council member H.

2876
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:38,159
All in favor.

2877
02:01:38,159 --> 02:01:40,719
>> Okay. Thank you. Motion for the night.

2878
02:01:40,719 --> 02:01:43,880
Thank you.