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don't have it up here let me hurry see

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if I can pull it up

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and share it

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the best at zoom all the time. So, just

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bear with me here while I share this

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other screen. In the very back, your

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last tab, which should be 11, if I'm

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thinking right, [laughter]

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that is the new state auditor checklist.

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This is what us as staff and Morgan and

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I and Sherry and [clears throat]

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everybody else will kind of be using for

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our checklist about how to do truth and

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taxation. Um they had a lot of entities

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they did the whole process because they

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missed one little step. So we will do

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our best to you know follow the law but

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come out with this new checklist.

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>> Can I ask you a question? Are we under

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decided that we're going to do truth to

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>> And in fact we really don't make that

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decision until we approve the budget the

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tenative budget. However

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meeting that was the consensus. So that

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made a decision. Yeah.

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when we made one.

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point that we should definitely clarify

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that that you know as we're doing the

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a decision that's been made in stone as

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tenative budget, um at the next council

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meeting and somebody has a problem with,

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motion to approve the tenative budget as

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we don't do 128,000 to cover police.

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best guess and then at that meetings

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change or yes, we just like it the way

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it is. We're going to approve it the way

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it is." So, yeah. Well, one thing

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interesting there along what you were

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expert. Um, there were like seven

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really fine line to get it exact or it

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there that Roy City, they went through

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wasn't just school districts but the

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state law changed and the state auditor

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um the best of my knowledge this is the

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first checklist they've done since that

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change and I think it was pushed because

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so many people weren't getting those

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approved and really the state the law

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most people are like okay now dumb it

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>> you know, so this fact that the state

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auditor came up with a checklist, um,

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it's pretty much I won't say it's

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foolproof that if we follow it that

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we'll get it, but it's a good guide.

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the state auditor that put it out there.

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Utah League of Cities and Towns had some

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of them on their committee with them to

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go through this. So anything they

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presented to us was stuff that had been

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vetted through the auditor. So that was

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really helpful too because there are a

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lot of us that are facing probably we we

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don't haven't voted on it yet but could

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be possibly facing a truth in taxation

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fund expenses. Are we coming back to

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go with kind of what feelings I get, but

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it's not a set in stone thing. If you

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choose not to do it, you know, when we

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do the meeting um coming up here in May

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and you want to make a motion to not do

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it, please do. You know, this is my best

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that we all hopefully feel good with

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that you may not and you may not like

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something else. So, you do have that

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right in that meeting before you vote

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to, you know, make a motion that you

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want to approve the budget minus this or

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approve the budget minus that. [cough]

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approve it. Well, then we have to stay

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up till midnight and come up with

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something. [laughter] Okay.

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wanted to just kind of point that right

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out from the get-go. I did include that

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everybody, but I think it is going to be

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a common thing to see that a lot of

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people are going to have to have that.

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know we are up in the air.

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the schools or is that another

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that and take that out of there or

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actually pulled it up so I would have

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incorporation, in order for her to be an

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incorporation, one of the things we have

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choice. The difference was is there we

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100, but they still agreed to the 70,

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but it is of 75% of the year. So, when

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school is not in session, then we are

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paying 100%. But those nine months when

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school's in session, we pay 30%, they

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if we have the choice to say we see no

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we see a negligible benefit from the

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additional six that you've chosen to

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portion that we would have paid for the

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amount of the service that we've been

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receiving which is per call under what

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any other city is seeing. and we don't

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see the value and ultimately raising our

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budget and ultimately maybe taxing our citizens for an increased service

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that's giving us absolutely no value. So

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we we agree to pay you what we're paying

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you today, but we're not paying you for

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the increased services. Would they

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discontinue service and would we be in

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attorney or something. So, everyone's

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ours went up less than some.

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county is paying in their general fund

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now and what the county is not paying in

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their general fund. [clears throat] You

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on what pocket you want to take it out

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of. So, the school district said, "Well,

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if we pay 100%, then we're going to raise your truth in

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Texas, which they probably might anyway,

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and raise it. So I said, "Okay, so then

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we have our residents take it out of

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that pocket." Well, you won't pay it.

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this pocket. If we don't pay it, and

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then the county says, "Well, they have

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to pay it." Then they raise our taxes.

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Bottom line is this amount of money

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>> It's just who shifts that burden. And

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again, it's all the residents because

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it's all a tax.

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>> The irony of it is we any schools that

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have your resourcing

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to the pot that we don't drink

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>> except for they say they do at Rocky

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Mountain, Roy High, Roy Jun, Westfield,

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the taxes to cover something that's a

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county assessment issue, then we're the

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ones who are going to hear from our

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constituents about it. And if they raise

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the taxes because they're deciding to up

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their budget. Then they get to answer

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why they're doing. And so that I think

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that that's a material difference to me

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is that I need to defend to the citizens

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why I'm raising their taxes and I have

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to pass the buck and say, "Well, it's

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because the the police force decided to

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add more people, which maybe they need,

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but it's not necessarily that they need

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it here." And so I have a hard time in

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that justification conversation of why

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I'm raising your taxes when it's like,

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well, we could say no and then they can

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raise their taxes and that's fine. Let

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them explain why they feel that they

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need to do it.

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sheriff's department

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just like

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it should be it own district so they can

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just

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such an increase

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>> doesn't have to go through the cities

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but who knows

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that

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>> well and having a lot of residents been

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under the assumption that we were paying

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that out of our specific budget that it

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coming out of their county taxes.

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>> Well, they're two separate things and

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residents need to understand that, too.

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You know, you still have a line item on

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your county taxes, but that's to pay for

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the jail and CSI. I mean, there's a

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whole list of things that are additional

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besides what we are paying.

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>> Yeah. But it doesn't cover the whole I

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guess it doesn't cover the whole police

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budget. A lot of people couldn't figure

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out I've had several people ask, well,

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you know, why are we having this bill

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here? comes out of our property taxes.

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And it's like, no, this is one that

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comes directly out of city budget, not

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out of the county's direct.

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>> Same with the animal control. $84,000

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comes out of

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» including me. including me.

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>> Most of us here I [laughter] know

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>> I just want to be

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>> know my solution

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>> including her because I would put cows

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on in their field because animal control

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people wouldn't work on the weekend. So

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it was

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>> the hard thing with the sheriff

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department [laughter] and I'm not

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telling you anything new. We currently

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do not have the financing in our budget

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to be able to have our own.

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You know, I the mayors meet quite often

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and Pleasant View has a budget of three

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million a year that they pay and they

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have about the same population that we

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do. And Washington Terrace will tell you

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they used to have their own 20 years ago

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and what they were paying then we they

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finally caught up to what they're paying

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this year. It's it's a I something needs

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to be done administratively down because

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then again, yes, we always have a

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choice. We could And but our choices

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would be we start our own police

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department, we try to go to a different

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police department.

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>> So that class that I was just going to

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say there's a simple cure for this

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that's been talked about for years. Just

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pay according to the service

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>> to the usage,

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>> you know, calls versus population. If

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you're not if you don't have that many

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calls even though you have a

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[clears throat and cough] population if

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it was based on calls the right it used

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to be 50/50 and that was terrible and

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then 6040 was a little better 7030 it

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would be better if it 70% on calls 30%

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on population it's really an easy fix

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but where you what you're going to be

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challenged with is the mayors that have

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cities where there's a lot of crime a

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lot more crime than we

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because it's going to be their vote

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against your vote.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And and in all honesty, we're

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subsidizing.

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>> We are subsidiz.

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>> We're subsidizing. And and I'm not

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saying there are more communities that

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aren't more apt to crime or whatever,

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but part of the things we talk about

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that try to eliminate crime, which is

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not allowing businesses to go dark here,

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not allowing high density housing, not

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you know, the different types of things

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we do communally that impact all of

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those downstream effects for crime.

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we're investing in other areas and we're

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keeping Hooper Hooper doing community

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events, keeping the community tight and

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um alleviating some of those things. And

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so in my opinion, it's like well then

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why are we also paying the price? But I

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agree with you fully. Like I feel like

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if it should just make sense like pay

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for what you use like if we're if we see

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an uptick in calls and our residents are

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using more, we paid for that. But if and

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we saw on that graph you gave us from

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the last meeting.

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>> I [snorts] mean we're at the bottom of

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the list on

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>> calls

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>> and and they're all small incidents.

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>> Full disclosure I'm trying to figure out

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[clears throat] why I have kids in law

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enforcement and it's not Weaver County

385
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but Perry Willard Manow have their own

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police departments. So Boxer County

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obviously has some way different. I

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don't know how they're pulling it off,

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but I am looking into that issue right

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now to find out how the crap like man I

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don't know how man could possibly well

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they got 300 res.

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>> Yeah, they do.

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>> They got

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in trouble a few years ago because that

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was supporting their city. So they

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limited them on how many tickets they

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could ride on the highway. That's the

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revenue.

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>> I am trying to investigate that a little

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bit just to see.

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>> Unfortunately for this year,

403
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[clears throat]

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>> we get

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but this is I think these are all really

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important issues.

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>> Yeah, we're going to look into that down

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the road.

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>> Yes. That by next year we hopefully

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we've been, you know, consistently

411
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investigating this and yeah, I I agree

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and I've made those same concerns. You

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know, we we're grateful we don't have

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the amount of

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But also one of the things is but they

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still have to be prepared to cover our

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population whether we have those calls

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or not.

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>> There's no doubt about that.

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>> So I think that was their rationale

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behind the 6040 is but but if you did

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have those calls

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our population still has to be covered.

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>> Well then I'm pursuing a line item from

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the animal control too because

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um I believe we've already used 60 plus

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thousand in our budget this year. Just I

428
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would like counting how we got that much

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used of our $84,000 budget.

430
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>> Yeah, I know. But I want I want the line

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items of what you charge.

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>> Yeah.

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>> For those cows in my pasture

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[laughter]

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» for them. I do more cow chasing in

436
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>> you do

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>> in Weaver County than Wever County

438
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Animal Control is because they don't

439
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know anything about cows

440
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>> and they don't know who owns the cows.

441
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>> I always get call from a brand inspector

442
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like you know whose cows you are look

443
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and see. So anyway,

444
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>> I'm sure there's some things when you

445
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look up there as far as the shelter. I

446
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mean there are some things that they

447
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would probably say well are you going to

448
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have your own? But again, I think this

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is something by next year we need to see

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if there's something different. And then

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when we get to garbage services, I'll talk about that. We mentioned a

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little bit, but may maybe some of these

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things we could do on our own.

454
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>> Certainly not all of them. We're

455
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probably going to have to pick and

456
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choose.

457
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I think if you explain to citizens, you

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know, that yes, there is a concern and

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yes, you're not happy about it, but do

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they want, you know, that all we're

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doing is increasing the taxes for

462
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>> the police services and then from there,

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you know, maybe a committee gets

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together, maybe the citizens get

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together and go talk to Weber County,

466
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you know, there's routes that they can

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go to address this, but I think our, you

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know, I'm sorry for taking up your

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>> No, you're great. It's a great

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discussion and it's something that

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definitely needs to not be brushed under

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the rug. Yeah, we've absorbed it. Let's

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move on for next year. No, it's

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something what are we going to do or

475
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what can we look at to make us actually

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realize if if it is great, great. If

477
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it's not, what are we going to do

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different?

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>> And we just need to be clear. It's not

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the service

481
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>> we're complaining about.

482
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>> It's not the service. Yeah,

483
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>> it's just

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>> 100%

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>> the lack of needing it.

486
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>> We support the officers. We appreciate

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what they're doing.

488
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>> Oh, yeah.

489
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>> Oh, yes. Love having

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» realized too we are one of the bigger

491
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cities, you know, geographically.

492
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>> Well, not even geographically, but

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population.

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>> So, they look at us and say, you know,

495
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like Washington Terrace, but they they

496
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don't say this, but they could, you

497
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know, they could look at us and say, "We

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have a lot less than you. a lot less

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population but they pay a lot more but I

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think we need to address it now so we're

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ready by next

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>> year for that

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>> yeah exactly

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>> so okay we ready

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>> yes

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>> okay [laughter]

507
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so okay so overall we did talk about

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last year or the fact that our um

509
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>> oh I don't know why that got typed there

510
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that is not supposed to say TNT

511
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checklist right there I apologize you

512
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guys Um, it was supposed to be

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Let's see if it printed out even that

514
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way.

515
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» But are we going back?

516
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>> I made one change on my spreadsheet and

517
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it changed a bunch.

518
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>> We're going back to tab two.

519
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>> Um, yeah, back to tab two.

520
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>> Tab two. That's actually tab two or tab

521
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two that's actually tab three.

522
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>> Tab two. [laughter]

523
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It printed out the TNT checklist cost

524
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$167.

525
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>> Yeah, that's not right. I apologize. Oh

526
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my gosh. I made one change in one spot

527
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and it changed every page I'm looking

528
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at. So,

529
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>> what's that supposed to say?

530
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>> I'm getting that real quick. I think I

531
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know

532
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>> star where you know these questions we

533
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have because this is something that if

534
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we by the time we're done today talking

535
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about the budget that we will need to

536
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make a decision on next Thursday at our

537
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meeting about the truth and

538
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for the increase to pay for the share.

539
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>> Okay. So, I apologize. Line item 10,

540
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that's account 10315,000

541
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should say sales tax

542
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,880
25%.

543
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,159
Or 25%.

544
00:20:32,159 --> 00:20:35,039
My gosh, that makes me mad. I did that

545
00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:36,960
on a real quick

546
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,280
>> last minute. Oh, we should change.

547
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,110
Yeah.

548
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,360
» And I'll correct that each time we get

549
00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,600
to that on every page. I apologize,

550
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,880
guys.

551
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,320
>> You're right here.

552
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,360
>> Right here. That

553
00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,120
>> just count.

554
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,200
>> What What happened is I had all these

555
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,760
pages highlighted and I added that right

556
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,000
there and it changed that line on every

557
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,520
single page that I printed.

558
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,320
>> Makes me mad.

559
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,400
>> No, it's okay.

560
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,520
was a sales tax.

561
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,480
>> It's going to say sales tax

562
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,750
0.25.

563
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,039
» So they did reduce that portion of our

564
00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:24,000
income and that is because of the

565
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,080
homeless shelter

566
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,720
>> um that we discussed last time. So that

567
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,679
was that change there. So overall with

568
00:21:31,679 --> 00:21:34,799
the truth and taxation implemented, I'm

569
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:37,280
estimating that our total taxes would be

570
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,039
2.9

571
00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:43,679
this year. Um an increase from what I

572
00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:45,840
estimate this current year budget is,

573
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,395
but I think we'll get maybe a little bit

574
00:21:47,395 --> 00:21:49,840
[cough] more um sales tax and then of

575
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,280
course the additional from the truth and

576
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,880
taxation that I'm anticipating.

577
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,799
Um

578
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,039
and so Now, I'm just going to go by each

579
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:03,039
kind of category. If you have a question

580
00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:05,039
within that category, maybe just stop me

581
00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:07,120
and we'll drill down a little bit more.

582
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:08,720
Does that work for everybody if I go

583
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,400
that route? So, go line by line. So,

584
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,039
total licenses, I'm estimating about

585
00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:18,000
226,400.

586
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,840
A little bit less building permits. I

587
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,919
could be wrong. Those are always hard to

588
00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:25,280
gauge, but as of right now, we're at

589
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:32,159
130. Um, so And that so you're 130. Is

590
00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:34,159
that through the first nine months?

591
00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:36,640
>> Yes, that's through um the first nine

592
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,360
months. So yeah, that March back here.

593
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,840
>> Maybe I missed out because

594
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,320
I just went back and divided by from the

595
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,440
financial statement and then divided by

596
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,360
times by three. I come up with 175.

597
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,640
I'll go with your figure.

598
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,720
>> Well, usually if I come up at like

599
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,080
175ish, I'll round it up. So, you know,

600
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,159
I kind of said, "Okay, well, maybe we

601
00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:06,080
might get close to the 180."

602
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,559
>> It's the 180, not the 130 that

603
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:11,760
>> Yeah, the 139 is just the

604
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,919
>> um current year March.

605
00:23:13,919 --> 00:23:14,320
>> Yeah.

606
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,280
>> Yep.

607
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:15,760
>> So,

608
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,360
>> that's actually what I have. So, okay.

609
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:18,000
Sorry.

610
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,240
>> That's okay. You're great. Um Okay. So,

611
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,360
licenses [cough and clears throat] We're

612
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,440
at 226400.

613
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,679
Does anybody want me to increase those

614
00:23:27,679 --> 00:23:30,880
building permits more or you think it's

615
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,880
better? I kind of go conservative.

616
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,280
Sorry, but I usually do. But if you

617
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,960
disagree with me, please speak up. Okay.

618
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,799
So, I'll leave that alone then. As of

619
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:43,600
right now, our intergovernmental um I'm

620
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,480
estimating that our classy roads fund

621
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,000
hopefully we'll get a little bit more

622
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,880
next year. Um, I'm hoping for about 600.

623
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,640
We've got 900 for or 9,000 for liquor.

624
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,320
So, that's usually pretty consistent.

625
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,919
So, maybe we'll get a little bit more of

626
00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:05,039
that liquor store up here. Hey,

627
00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:07,566
>> start drinking more.

628
00:24:07,566 --> 00:24:08,320
[laughter]

629
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,600
>> And then we'll use the appropriate

630
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,806
amount of police.

631
00:24:12,806 --> 00:24:13,679
[laughter]

632
00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:17,679
>> Well, drink if you're there with me.

633
00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:19,520
>> So,

634
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,799
Yeah, there we go. Um charges for

635
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:28,400
services I'm estimating about 82 250. Um

636
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,480
the I kind of estimated maybe a little

637
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,360
bit low on cemetery, but does anybody

638
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,760
have any comments on there?

639
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,520
>> So when we talk about you brought up uh

640
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,440
changing the fees and that

641
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,520
>> is this when we bring it up for like the

642
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,360
cemetery or is that at a different

643
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,039
point? We could certainly have that

644
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:48,559
discussion at this point.

645
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,240
>> Yeah. Or do you want to do it when we go

646
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,679
through the fee schedule, whichever you

647
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:52,720
would suggest?

648
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,320
>> Maybe we can go through the fee schedule

649
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,960
at the very end and maybe discuss it

650
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,159
then. Okay.

651
00:24:58,159 --> 00:24:58,799
>> Yeah.

652
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,360
I'm definitely game for that. So,

653
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:06,159
>> okay. Um fines, uh 20,000 right now.

654
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:09,520
We're only at 12,000. 20,000 I think is

655
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,919
probably generous, unfortunately.

656
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:12,400
So

657
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,320
>> So what are those fines for? Those are a

658
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,320
lot of the fines that we get from the

659
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,520
police.

660
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,320
>> Okay.

661
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:27,830
>> So, yeah.

662
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,442
» Or

663
00:25:29,442 --> 00:25:30,240
[clears throat]

664
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,120
>> no caught.

665
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:35,350
>> Okay. [laughter]

666
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:39,279
» So, okay. And then um our next is our

667
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:42,320
miscellaneous which is 323100.

668
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,320
I will point out that part of that is

669
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,640
tomato days. Um, but we did not get any

670
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,640
grants for that this year

671
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,640
>> and we actually have 7,000.

672
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,880
>> Oh, we did get 57,000.

673
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,559
Okay. So, we want to add that in there.

674
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,960
So, I'll add that in there. [snorts]

675
00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,600
>> Um,

676
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,880
>> and then the is that uh something

677
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,919
besides the home down there or is that

678
00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:06,720
what that is?

679
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,760
>> The tomato.

680
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,200
>> No, the

681
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,320
rat.

682
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,120
Oh,

683
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,159
>> is that

684
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:16,400
>> like booth rent space?

685
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,600
>> Okay. So, the rent is for the rental

686
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,760
home over by

687
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,520
>> the

688
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,400
road.

689
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,919
>> Yep. Yeah. So,

690
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:33,510
right now we're getting 1,800 I believe.

691
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:39,279
» Um is I usually um will budget part of

692
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:43,520
the money that we get that we that 5,000

693
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,640
um or that 5% of the utility tax that

694
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,720
we've set aside, we'll budget some of

695
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,559
that for expense. Well, I don't want to

696
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,039
just take that out of general fund

697
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,840
revenues when I'm already putting it

698
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,400
into that reserve. So, if I record it as

699
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,240
income, then I have the expense to

700
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,840
offset it when it's really just pulling

701
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,760
from a reserve.

702
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,200
>> So, what does

703
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,200
>> is that the emergency response?

704
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,960
>> Yeah. So, that's basically giving them

705
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,840
the authorization to spend some of it in

706
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,679
the expense category.

707
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:16,000
>> So it'll never show an expense here.

708
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,720
>> No, it it it is in the expense category

709
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,448
to offset that.

710
00:27:21,448 --> 00:27:21,600
[clears throat]

711
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,240
>> This would be an income. So zero.

712
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240
>> Yeah. So it will say zero because we're

713
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440
using fund balance. But I don't want to

714
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,400
use other fund balance. We're using that

715
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,000
restricted fund balance. So I'm giving

716
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,320
authorization to pull from that

717
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,120
restricted fund balance to spend it.

718
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,159
It's confusing. I know. I get you. It's

719
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:46,559
that governmental accounting. [laughter]

720
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,080
>> And I know we talked once about maybe

721
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,559
just setting a straight amount rather

722
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:54,320
than 5% because the 5% was quite a large

723
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:54,880
number.

724
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,120
>> Yeah. And I've talked to Dave, Larry's

725
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,279
talked to Dave, they haven't used the

726
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:00,720
5%.

727
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,799
>> And according to Dave, the first couple

728
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:04,559
years is really the ramp up usage. And

729
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:06,000
he feels like after three years or so,

730
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,120
it's probably going to plateau and we

731
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,440
won't have much use of it at all.

732
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,720
There are a few things that he needed to

733
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,720
do this year between the trailer and you

734
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,720
know getting the antenna and stuff on

735
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,480
the roof, but I don't even think we're

736
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,200
touching 9,000 10,000 right now.

737
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,760
>> We've got 39,000 reserved right now.

738
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,640
>> That's what I wrote down. I'm thinking

739
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,240
>> because Dave [snorts] said he was going

740
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,399
to get some money this year, some next

741
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:31,039
year. If the money's sitting there, why

742
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:34,080
don't we just get that project done

743
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,600
>> because he says then it's going to go

744
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,559
down into the hundreds that he'll in a

745
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,039
year and

746
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:43,760
>> yeah, I just don't see why we

747
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,880
>> let him do it. I mean,

748
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,599
>> so how much do you think we

749
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:47,600
[clears throat] need to get him to

750
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,080
spend?

751
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,000
>> I think I should talk to him and just

752
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,200
say if we were

753
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,240
>> and just say if we were to get

754
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,480
everything done you need, what is that

755
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,679
going to cost us?

756
00:28:55,679 --> 00:28:57,039
>> And then we can look at like maintenance

757
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:57,919
over time. So

758
00:28:57,919 --> 00:29:00,159
>> even though the council, the previous

759
00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:03,039
council told me to put 5% away for this

760
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,679
utility tax, it's reserved. It's not

761
00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:08,559
restricted. So it means that you guys

762
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,360
can easily say, "Okay, now stop doing

763
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,840
that."

764
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,120
>> Yeah.

765
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,000
>> Doesn't mean that you'll be in high

766
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,760
favor with other people, but you have

767
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,960
the right to tell.

768
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,640
>> Well, I think they realized that too

769
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,600
many years ago.

770
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,840
>> Yeah. And if we already have that 39,000

771
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,480
that he uses this year, then if that's

772
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,559
already set aside, maybe we should do

773
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,360
this like 5,000 or something. I mean,

774
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,279
that's every year from then on. they

775
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,120
would still be getting that in addition

776
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,120
to that 39 they already have.

777
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,840
>> He told me that he he would need 9 to

778
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,799
10,000 for the next two years for sure.

779
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:48,230
>> And then he really thought that it would

780
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,360
» like 20,000.

781
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,480
>> Yeah. 39.

782
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:54,880
>> Yeah.

783
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,799
>> Well, it's not going to get any cheaper

784
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,120
if we wait to finish it down really.

785
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,039
Everything goes up every year. Mhm.

786
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:02,080
>> Okay.

787
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,480
>> Yeah.

788
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,919
>> Let me I'm going to meet with them. I'll

789
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:05,279
just meet with them and just be short

790
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,440
and get a conservative estimate

791
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,440
>> and then give a full number on that

792
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,600
>> and maybe what we need to do if you guys

793
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,159
are okay with this um maybe say

794
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:15,840
everybody, you know, we have this

795
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,279
meeting, we go through everything, we've

796
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,679
talked because I don't want to just come

797
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:23,919
to the meeting um in a couple days and

798
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:26,399
say, "Here's the tenative budget. We

799
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:28,080
made these changes. Now you guys approve

800
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,679
it because you haven't had a chance to

801
00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:32,080
look at it. I don't want to do that. So

802
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,320
maybe if you can try and get that or any

803
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,320
of the other numbers that we might be

804
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,720
able to get a little bit more solid

805
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,000
maybe like by Mondayish

806
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,960
and then Tuesday

807
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:45,840
>> um

808
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,480
>> that would be good.

809
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,159
>> I was say even like Tuesday I could

810
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,039
reprint everybody or re email. I sorry

811
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:52,880
it's

812
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200
>> okay. [snorts] Oh, so you may not get

813
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,760
him. But either way, if we can try and

814
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,200
get something, then that way I just

815
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,480
don't want to throw something at you

816
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,000
last minute. You know, I want to give

817
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,880
you guys [clears throat] the chance to

818
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,279
look at things and from here on maybe if

819
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,039
I make changes, I will highlight those

820
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,440
changes so that you'll know exactly what

821
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,880
changes we made.

822
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,029
>> How's that?

823
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,760
Um, we had some donations

824
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,440
or

825
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,039
>> we had

826
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,200
>> Oh, hold on.

827
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
My brain can't think two times

828
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,080
at once. [laughter]

829
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,600
>> I know.

830
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,149
>> I'll make it purple.

831
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:40,480
» Yeah. So, the senior lunch um I believe

832
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,559
we were collecting and they've been

833
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,159
spending it out of that. That probably

834
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:46,720
just needs reclassified

835
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,720
um

836
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,880
down here

837
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,799
in the expense. I think we've got an

838
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:57,430
expense for senior lunch.

839
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,440
» Yeah, it should be over here in the

840
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:10,230
expense.

841
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,760
Oh yeah, we have 4,000 as a

842
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600
line item for that. So I'll move that

843
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,600
over on the financials. But yeah,

844
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,559
>> that's something we probably want to

845
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,399
talk about if because we still have the

846
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:24,480
Roy, but do we want to do it for

847
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,399
Riverdale? And that's what we had set

848
00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:29,679
aside 300 for those vouchers.

849
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:32,960
>> 4,000 a year.

850
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,799
Well, we signed it for two years in our

851
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,320
local agreement.

852
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,080
>> So, this year is the second year and

853
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,399
then we'll see after that.

854
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:41,679
>> How much bang are we getting for our

855
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:43,519
buck with that? Do you have any idea

856
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:44,960
>> with Roy?

857
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,480
>> The main reason we're doing that is to

858
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,080
keep their center open. You know, the

859
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,760
Weber human services came through and

860
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,480
said we're closing.

861
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,760
>> Yeah, I heard that.

862
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,919
>> Yeah, we have a lot of residents.

863
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:55,600
>> Oh, we have a ton of residents to use. I

864
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,320
just wonder

865
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,000
>> and I don't know how many even with

866
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Riverdale we have left. We had quite a

867
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,120
few come in and even pick up the

868
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,320
vouchers.

869
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,519
>> We have used our voucher a lot when you

870
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:06,720
have that be a good thing.

871
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,480
>> No, I think when you ask that

872
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,240
>> I think we've given out about 10 or 12

873
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,919
vouchers for Riverdale.

874
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:12,559
>> How many?

875
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,360
>> 10 or 10 to 12.

876
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,799
>> Yeah, with Roy. I don't know if there's

877
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,120
any way we can find out ballpark how

878
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,200
many residents are using them.

879
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,240
>> Well, in the past we've had 2,000 as the

880
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,039
city senior lunches right below the Roy

881
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,080
City. We're no longer doing them here.

882
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,799
Do we want to just

883
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,679
give that to the Riverdale? And you said

884
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,039
it was 3,000.

885
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,320
>> No. Well, we we

886
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,120
>> Yeah, we were going to do 20 vouchers at

887
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,480
300 a piece.

888
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,039
>> 30

889
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,679
>> I mean at 30, excuse me.

890
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:52,310
>> Yeah, 600.

891
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:59,110
» 600,000.

892
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,230
expenses.

893
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,080
» Yeah. I wonder if we do a thousand and

894
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720
we could see. I mean, it doesn't mean

895
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,560
we'll get that many people coming.

896
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,560
But we I was surprised how many people

897
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,200
did.

898
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,560
>> Could they Couldn't they go back and

899
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,480
check their record? Don't they have like

900
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,599
You have to identify yourself.

901
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,919
>> Yeah. So, how many came from Booker or

902
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:25,040
could find that out for us?

903
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,720
>> They gave us those numbers that one

904
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,320
time. I'm going to look and see because

905
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,280
I think

906
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,520
>> I think somewhere I have them I have it

907
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,200
for

908
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,200
It was more. Yeah, we were surprised how

909
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,399
many people go.

910
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:38,560
>> I don't want to sound

911
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:44,790
a lot of them don't go.

912
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,599
» Okay. So,

913
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:48,480
>> my mother-in-law was

914
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,919
>> every day, but she's been gone for a

915
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:52,560
while. So, the figures may not be super

916
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,069
accurate anymore.

917
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,920
» I don't think you'd go either way.

918
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,839
You're right.

919
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:01,680
>> Okay.

920
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,760
So, I adjusted that down to a

921
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,839
th00and. Is that okay?

922
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:08,320
>> Yeah.

923
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,560
>> Okay. So,

924
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,359
we'll change. Okay. [snorts] So, that

925
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:17,599
gives our total income at 4.1

926
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:19,760
99.

927
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,760
Okay.

928
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,240
Um

929
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,200
Okay.

930
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,119
>> What was that total again?

931
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:36,710
>> You're good. There you go.

932
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,400
» Okay.

933
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,184
Um, so we'll go to section three.

934
00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:46,400
[laughter] How's that sound? Tab three.

935
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,870
The real tab three.

936
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,480
Um,

937
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,200
okay. So, our total governments, um, we

938
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,240
did cut a little bit. Oh, there's that

939
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,800
TNT that 10418

940
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,480
8080

941
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,390
should say.

942
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,720
» And I found the number. We have 28

943
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,119
residents that regularly attend boy

944
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,280
>> still or that was

945
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,960
>> that that was their numbers they gave us

946
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,800
when we signed on

947
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,040
>> and that was a year and a half ago.

948
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:21,440
>> Yeah.

949
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,240
>> Okay. I'm sure.

950
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,440
>> Okay. So that 1041810

951
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,480
should say planning commission training.

952
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,670
>> Sorry,

953
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:41,109
» that makes me mad at that.

954
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:42,480
» Um

955
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,040
>> Jimmy,

956
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,920
>> yeah. He he said there's a

957
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,440
misunderstanding there. He needs all the

958
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,040
money.

959
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,920
>> 49,000.

960
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,160
>> Well, here's what he said.

961
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,359
They made the money for the cover for

962
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,520
the trailer to sit under. They're trying

963
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,040
to get their hands on a Quanza hut

964
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,200
that's cheaper. So, he's like, "Look,

965
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,200
I'm trying to save everything I can."

966
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,599
But he's like, "If you take it and then

967
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:06,560
we don't have it, then we're

968
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,440
ineffective." And he made a good point

969
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,119
to me. The problem with just getting the

970
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:12,160
project finished is they're all

971
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,440
volunteers.

972
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,040
>> So, he's like getting spending that

973
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,359
money quickly. We just we're relying on

974
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:19,760
people who help us do this. And so, it's

975
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,520
not like hiring a group of people to

976
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,800
come in and put the shelving in, get it

977
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,880
done, get the structure built, so it's

978
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,079
harder to estimate because they're all

979
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:28,400
doing it all volunteer.

980
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,760
So his ask was if you don't take it, let

981
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,440
us get through as much as we can and

982
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,240
then in like 3 months we can say, okay,

983
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,240
this is we didn't need it all and you

984
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:39,280
know, I don't know if we can take it

985
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,560
later or if we can move it

986
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,640
>> next year or next year we can change our

987
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,560
>> I just don't restrict it. Yeah. So, do

988
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,800
we want to give him maybe 20,000? And

989
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,800
>> I I asked him,

990
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,640
>> he thinks he needs all 39.

991
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,359
>> Yeah, he thinks he needs He He just said

992
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:56,800
I said, "Well, you know, Larry said he

993
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,160
spoke to you and you said maybe around 9

994
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,079
or 10." And he goes, "That may have been

995
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:01,280
a misunderstanding. I think I was

996
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,280
talking about just the structure to put

997
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,520
it underneath and the shelving inside

998
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,960
it." He said they still have to get a

999
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,160
generator. That's going to cost probably

1000
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,680
1,500 bucks, maybe two grand, something

1001
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,640
like that. So it just depends the

1002
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,079
pieces, you know,

1003
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:20,230
>> just leave the 39.

1004
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,240
» Should we give him like 20 to spend this

1005
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,760
year and then he can spend

1006
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,480
>> Will that 20 be in excess of 39? I don't

1007
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:30,800
know.

1008
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,680
>> No, it will be the 39 basically part of

1009
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,040
the 39.

1010
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,599
>> But the 39's going to keep getting added

1011
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:38,000
to.

1012
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,720
>> Yeah. What if he needs the 39?

1013
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,160
Then we amend the budget.

1014
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,480
>> Yeah. Okay. But we know we have the 39.

1015
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,520
>> Yeah. So just um [clears throat] so

1016
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,160
everybody understands this 450.

1017
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:50,640
>> Yeah.

1018
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,920
>> Um 5% of that is restricted for the

1019
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,200
search every

1020
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:55,920
>> Okay.

1021
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,960
>> So he'll have it available.

1022
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,760
>> So he'll have the 39 plus another 225

1023
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,720
next year.

1024
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,119
>> Yeah. Unless we can we'll maybe restrict

1025
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,040
it from there to see what it looks like.

1026
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,160
>> Yeah.

1027
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,920
>> Or we could reduce that down to 2 and a

1028
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,400
half% or we could say x amount each

1029
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:12,800
year.

1030
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,160
>> I think realistically he's not seeing

1031
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,680
the usage for it, but like you said,

1032
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,680
part of that is he's got volunteers who

1033
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,599
can help them when they can come put the

1034
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,599
showing and do all that stuff and it's

1035
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:23,280
kind of

1036
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,040
>> restricted. Okay. Okay. So, let's

1037
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,640
>> everyone cool with that?

1038
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,920
>> I don't I wasn't hearing the original

1039
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,760
intent of setting this up. The other

1040
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,880
thing is we're going to have a nice

1041
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,320
fancy trailer with all this stuff in it

1042
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,079
sitting there waiting sitting in there

1043
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:37,680
cover parking and you know I don't know

1044
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,599
we may want to talk about the future of

1045
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:41,440
how we use that. I know there's been

1046
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,359
discussion about letting the fire

1047
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:44,640
department use it or different people

1048
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,119
use it and I don't know what that looks

1049
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:48,400
like that's just thrown out of the

1050
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,960
meeting. So I don't know our thoughts on

1051
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,560
the value of it just sitting there going

1052
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,520
waste either you know.

1053
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,720
>> I was worried she's going to have to

1054
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:55,680
clean some

1055
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,640
>> Yeah. I'm not cleaning.

1056
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,960
>> Yeah. Right. Exactly. So I don't know if

1057
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,320
we bring it to like

1058
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,079
>> tomato days like a touch a truck event

1059
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,599
let people see it I don't I don't know

1060
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,599
what other intrinsic value we get other

1061
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,200
than just having it on the shelf there

1062
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,359
like food storage but

1063
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:11,040
>> once we get it done then that that will

1064
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,320
disappear basically or basically

1065
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,839
>> but then don't you have to rotate

1066
00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:17,200
>> you do you got to replace stuff

1067
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,800
>> oh yeah there ain't going to be near as

1068
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,280
much

1069
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,240
>> not the initial

1070
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,200
>> rotating materials [cough]

1071
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,960
>> that's going to be minimal what you're

1072
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,480
rotate

1073
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,520
>> you'll tires every seven, eight years.

1074
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,240
You'll have the medical stuff.

1075
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,079
>> Is that built in there since it's an

1076
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,000
asset like a depreciating asset? Is

1077
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,359
there like that whole thought on the

1078
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:39,040
budget too? Like how do we

1079
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,960
>> because it's a general fund, it's not

1080
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,000
depreciated.

1081
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,480
>> Okay.

1082
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,680
>> Until you do the Gazsby 34, which I

1083
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,418
don't expect any of you to be like what?

1084
00:40:48,418 --> 00:40:49,280
[laughter]

1085
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,160
But yeah, um when we do the audit, there

1086
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,240
is a conversion that is depreciated at

1087
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:55,520
that point. But on your general

1088
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,599
financial statements, not they're not

1089
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,720
depreciated. That's generally accepted

1090
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,160
auditing

1091
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,448
>> standards for government.

1092
00:41:05,448 --> 00:41:06,319
[clears throat]

1093
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:07,040
>> Oh, thanks.

1094
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,319
>> Yeah, sorry.

1095
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:09,839
>> Commission train.

1096
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:11,760
>> Okay. So,

1097
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,599
I'll jump back to that. Um, so we we did

1098
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,520
do reduce planning commission training

1099
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,319
because there was the comment that we

1100
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:24,079
probably didn't need as much.

1101
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,000
So, did we already get past the council

1102
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,520
and council training?

1103
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,280
>> Um, that's part of the line that we're

1104
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:29,839
on.

1105
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:33,680
>> Yeah. I mean, council training

1106
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,589
this year. I mean,

1107
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:41,109
» 7200

1108
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,079
we could definitely reduce that if you

1109
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:47,440
don't see a need to go to as many

1110
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,000
trainings.

1111
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,079
The way I figured I mean the council is

1112
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:56,560
going to be uh under 13,000. Do we need

1113
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,119
15? I mean is there any reason

1114
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,280
>> 15's your

1115
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,400
>> 15 the salary?

1116
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,040
>> Yeah.

1117
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,880
>> 7200's your training.

1118
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,440
>> Yeah. But but I know you're saying that

1119
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,760
projecting that you're only thinking 13,

1120
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,079
but we want to project for if everybody

1121
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,079
attended every single meeting and what

1122
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:16,079
the rate is and that's what it come.

1123
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:17,119
Yeah. So

1124
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:18,720
>> yeah. So that's why I come up with that

1125
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:19,520
and I'

1126
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,760
>> I'd recommend staying with that, but

1127
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,950
>> it's your budget. [laughter]

1128
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,920
» Yeah. So

1129
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,599
>> I need a reason. So

1130
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,240
>> that's exactly what I'm doing.

1131
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:36,950
>> Yep. So [clears throat]

1132
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,960
» additional meeting too. You get paid per

1133
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,119
meeting council does. So that's

1134
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:47,510
>> I don't know how it works.

1135
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,079
Uh so that council train we need that

1136
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:51,119
much

1137
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,400
>> we could definitely reduce it

1138
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,560
>> hotels and traffic it's just all it's

1139
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,400
expensive

1140
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,280
>> what repeat

1141
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,960
>> the hotels itself

1142
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,630
>> if you go to like

1143
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,400
» one a year that's you travel and then

1144
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,599
there's

1145
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,359
>> so just this one that you guys went to

1146
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:13,280
this weekend or this last week for three

1147
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,599
nights it was 5.91 for just one person

1148
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,200
at a

1149
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:17,920
for three nights.

1150
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,599
>> Per Yeah, for three nights. So you

1151
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,880
consider how many people go times that

1152
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,400
plus the training material for

1153
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,589
>> I'm probably low on my estimate then

1154
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:35,435
» same.

1155
00:43:35,445 --> 00:43:37,990
[laughter]

1156
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000
» Thank you for your sacrifice.

1157
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,920
>> I'm sure you did that just to save

1158
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:42,400
everybody.

1159
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,270
>> Whatever I can do.

1160
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:46,000
>> [laughter]

1161
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:54,150
>> You did your part.

1162
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,960
» 25%.

1163
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,880
>> On the attorney.

1164
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,359
>> Um, so that we do have built into that

1165
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:06,560
if we have like any major lawsuits or

1166
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,505
anything that we have room to

1167
00:44:09,505 --> 00:44:10,160
[clears throat]

1168
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,599
attorney. Um, our attorneys have kind of

1169
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,400
expressed that they are looking to up

1170
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,119
their bill. Um, how much is it now?

1171
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:20,640
>> 4,000.

1172
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,240
>> So, I talked to him. So, we have this

1173
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,520
set rate of 2500. That just kind of

1174
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,760
covers the normal.

1175
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,920
>> Are we talking a month or year

1176
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,640
>> a month? 25,000.

1177
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,520
>> 4,000. And part of that is because

1178
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,240
there's been a lot of additional calls

1179
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:39,839
and they're working on a lot of

1180
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:41,680
additional things besides just the

1181
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,240
normal. And I asked him if he had just a

1182
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,800
like a rate, but he didn't give me an

1183
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,480
hourly because I said, "Well, could we

1184
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,880
have something the 2500 covers this, but

1185
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,280
everything above and beyond that you're

1186
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,280
doing if we're calling asking for

1187
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,990
additional

1188
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,040
» that's pretty substantial.

1189
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,520
Except for it's less than what we've

1190
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,470
been paying in the past.

1191
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:19,349
» We preveraged about 40 about 4500.

1192
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:21,599
» I thought it was still the same legal

1193
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,280
service that we have had.

1194
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,720
>> It's the same one.

1195
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:25,680
>> Yeah.

1196
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,520
>> Darren.

1197
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,800
>> Matt.

1198
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,880
But he's going there's going to be

1199
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:38,950
another one joining Darren.

1200
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,960
But one thing we have found and I you

1201
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,040
know I was the one that asked him

1202
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,400
because there's been a lot of things

1203
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,880
we've needed him to do and when we call

1204
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,839
they they don't have time but but you're

1205
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:51,520
probably aware they have spent a lot of

1206
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,640
time investigating things doing things

1207
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,280
that have taken a lot of you know um

1208
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,200
like when he calls me and says oh I've

1209
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,319
had council member call and they accused

1210
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:03,839
me of doing something and then they

1211
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:06,400
spend several hours inst investigating

1212
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,200
all that is above and beyond of what

1213
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,960
normally and so then we're saying okay

1214
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,359
we need this or if Malcolm calls or

1215
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:16,079
something sometimes we pretty much

1216
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:20,000
>> so roughly do we have a rough hour mark

1217
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,359
so the attorney that I use for our

1218
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:29,520
business is $350 an hour and uh if they

1219
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,839
have somebody like Morgan

1220
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:35,119
do the

1221
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,720
It's about a third of that. But if it's

1222
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,599
>> if they have to do all the

1223
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:45,920
>> Yeah. If it's the lawyer and so

1224
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,430
it's 11.4 hours,000.

1225
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,280
» So I guess he's what two three hours a

1226
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,400
week?

1227
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,160
>> Well, yeah. Just coming to the meetings.

1228
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,560
He would he would be that much. And we

1229
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,480
have had quite a few ordinances. we've

1230
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,000
had him working on.

1231
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,160
>> We have some additional ordinances we

1232
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,000
need him to work on.

1233
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,440
>> That's two of us plus the planning

1234
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,990
commission meeting, right?

1235
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,760
» So there's

1236
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,520
>> it really isn't very many hours. And he didn't he didn't come to me and say I

1237
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,520
want to be paid more. I went to him and

1238
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,599
said because we've noticed every time

1239
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,972
well multiple times he'll say I'm

1240
00:47:27,972 --> 00:47:28,880
[clears throat] not I'm not getting

1241
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,280
paid. there's not enough hours in the

1242
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,640
contract to do this, you know, ju just

1243
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,760
um for example, like we're now

1244
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,680
I don't mean to get off, but we we have

1245
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,599
no commercial codes per se here in

1246
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:44,720
Herbert

1247
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,040
>> and so so if we have a commercial

1248
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,440
development come those have to be

1249
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,599
somebody has to write those. Well, we

1250
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,040
won't be paying him to write them, but

1251
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,800
we still have to pay him to review

1252
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:55,920
those.

1253
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,640
>> Or if we have a development agreement

1254
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,359
that we with a developer and this just

1255
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:03,920
isn't commercial. This is even if we a

1256
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,160
residential, someone else writes that,

1257
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,240
but normally it's an attorney that we

1258
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:09,920
use that. Well, that wouldn't make

1259
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,200
sense.

1260
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,359
>> So, if we've already used up, you know,

1261
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:15,200
three or four hours just for him coming

1262
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,520
to a meeting. So, we've already used up

1263
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,160
12 of our, you know, ner and you say we

1264
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,800
only get 11 hours, then we we've

1265
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,960
basically used up our hours before we

1266
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:31,030
even had doc.

1267
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,040
2500

1268
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:38,150
months that be 22,500

1269
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,240
» and we also have 20,000 as attorney fees

1270
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:47,589
in our sewer.

1271
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,480
» Yeah, because you can't, you know, some

1272
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,920
of what he's doing is in sewer and so we

1273
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,960
have to

1274
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,359
>> unfortunately And that wouldn't come out

1275
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,359
of the one. It would only come out of

1276
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:06,480
the general fund and we have to charge

1277
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,280
the sewer for some or Yeah. For

1278
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,640
>> to keep the state happy, you have to

1279
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,839
split it basically.

1280
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:13,359
>> Yeah. Basically,

1281
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:15,520
>> I mean the other option is is we could

1282
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,440
start just

1283
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,920
charging the general fund some fees for

1284
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,640
all that. But that

1285
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,079
is not typically how you're

1286
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,880
>> in your opinion that way is the best way

1287
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,400
for us to do it at this point in time.

1288
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,079
>> I'm fine either way, but you got to come

1289
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,480
up if you're not doing it this way, then

1290
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,480
you have to come up with an allocation

1291
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,400
method of how you're charging an

1292
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,839
administrative fee to your general fund

1293
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:43,599
for those legal costs and then you have

1294
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,720
to substantiate that. So there's a lot

1295
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,920
more time, effort, and calculation

1296
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,079
involved, but I'm not opposed to it. I

1297
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,079
can do it, but we just have to come up

1298
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,960
with a reason.

1299
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,960
>> But we do have enough money in attorney

1300
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,280
fees. And when I asked Cammy about this

1301
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,599
before the meeting, we have already set

1302
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,680
aside. I mean, this isn't like we're

1303
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,760
bumping up our budget. It's just we'll

1304
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,160
be absorbing some of those attorney fees

1305
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,760
and some of these other categories.

1306
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,520
>> Okay. So, I've got some questions about

1307
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:14,720
that.

1308
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:18,640
So we have secured a water attorney. So

1309
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,559
would that come out of this fee?

1310
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:21,280
>> Okay.

1311
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,800
>> So

1312
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,559
this is any attorney we need for

1313
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:25,119
anything.

1314
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,200
>> Any attorney you need for anything? Yes.

1315
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,040
>> Very specifically, the sewer attorney

1316
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,800
fee is that the only other line item for

1317
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:31,760
attorney.

1318
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,319
>> Yes.

1319
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:34,400
>> So the sewer attorney fee is not the

1320
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,680
water attorney.

1321
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,720
>> No.

1322
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,599
And when we're talking to our attorney

1323
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:40,800
and saying, "We need your help on

1324
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,319
something." He's saying, "I don't have

1325
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:44,720
the hours." We're saying, "Well, we're

1326
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,599
paying you a completely separate item

1327
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:49,200
for sewer." So, if we're asking you

1328
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,280
sewer, you do have the hours.

1329
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,319
>> We right now what is happening is

1330
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:55,920
they're allocating [clears throat]

1331
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,119
a portion of the bill to sewer, saying

1332
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:02,640
that, you know, part of just functioning

1333
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,000
as a city, the sewer department needs to

1334
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,480
for a part of that. It the argument

1335
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,640
could be made for garbage and for um

1336
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,800
storm drain, but we haven't in the past.

1337
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,319
>> So, they may not necessarily be working

1338
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:18,160
on sewer stuff. They're just noting

1339
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,040
their feet to it.

1340
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,720
>> Yeah. Because there's kind of the

1341
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,200
overhead of even like you guys

1342
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,079
functioning, believe it or not, is part

1343
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:30,079
sewer because you you know,

1344
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:31,200
>> it's part of the budget.

1345
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:31,920
>> Yeah.

1346
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,240
>> So, that's kind of the argument. There

1347
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,640
are cities and I mean we can change how

1348
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,119
we've done things in the past and it's

1349
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,000
either way works like I said that you

1350
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,800
put everything into the general fund and

1351
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,880
then you say okay we're going to come up

1352
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,960
with a calculation [clears throat] state

1353
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,119
auditor says you just simply have to

1354
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:52,720
have substantiation for that

1355
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,119
calculation. How are you calculating it?

1356
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,599
What's your backbone behind it? Their

1357
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,079
city that put all their wages into their

1358
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,240
general fund and then allocate it out.

1359
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:03,599
We have a software that does it

1360
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,559
wonderfully. Why double do is my thought

1361
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,200
on that. So we let the software allocate

1362
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,000
the wages.

1363
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,240
>> So why are we specifically doing it for

1364
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,480
sewer but not garbage?

1365
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,839
>> Um I think the thought process was that

1366
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:21,440
garbage doesn't necessarily have a whole

1367
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,000
lot of legal problems. You know storm

1368
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,559
water possibly could, but it's really

1369
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,440
not covering itself anyways. We're going

1370
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,920
to have to subsidize that one probably

1371
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,119
down the road anyways.

1372
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:34,160
>> So, [clears throat] we have a lot of

1373
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,000
stuff with sewer.

1374
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,756
>> Not necessarily specific for sewer.

1375
00:52:39,756 --> 00:52:40,160
[clears throat]

1376
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,480
>> Yeah. If we have a claim, a liability

1377
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,000
claim go through insurance

1378
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,309
cover it.

1379
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:52,079
» Yeah. I'm just trying to understand why

1380
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:53,440
we [clears throat] broke it out. Like,

1381
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,160
are we using it? Is it something what's

1382
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,160
the purpose of breaking it out to so we

1383
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,119
can really understand what we're

1384
00:52:59,119 --> 00:52:59,680
spending?

1385
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,839
>> Yeah. And I I understand that.

1386
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:04,400
>> How many years in the past? So in the

1387
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,680
past it's just the sewer deportion from

1388
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,440
what I understand it's just been a

1389
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,480
portion of the overall legal bill

1390
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,319
because like I said [clears throat] you

1391
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:17,520
as an entity the attorney you know

1392
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,079
coming to council meeting

1393
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,680
>> is covering that you know

1394
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,920
part of you having that meeting and the

1395
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,760
attorney being here that needs to some

1396
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,760
of that should go to sewer. Should some

1397
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,640
of it go to storm water? Probably. But

1398
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,240
storm water doesn't have the money to

1399
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,720
pay for it, I'll be honest.

1400
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:39,280
>> So,

1401
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,040
>> would it would we feel more comfortable

1402
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,079
if we switch more? I don't know how much

1403
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,000
we have in our general attorney if we

1404
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,839
switch more into the general and had

1405
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:50,319
less in the sewer. The numbers are still

1406
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:52,240
going to be the same.

1407
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:53,040
>> Well,

1408
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,319
>> and the sewer doesn't have the money

1409
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:59,190
either. [laughter]

1410
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,670
explain why.

1411
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,000
» Yeah. Yeah. We don't typically I mean if

1412
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,599
we needed an agreement or something,

1413
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:09,440
we'd go to our city attorney. But if we

1414
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,760
have a liability claim like someone's

1415
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,680
house gets full of sewage and it's our

1416
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,839
fault, we're going to file a claim with

1417
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:17,440
the insurance company and they'll either

1418
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,880
just pay it or they'll say we're going

1419
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,559
to fight this and then they'll usually

1420
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,599
provide a lawyer up to a certain amount,

1421
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:25,867
>> which is the point of having dis

1422
00:54:25,867 --> 00:54:27,440
[clears throat]

1423
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,440
Maybe it's fine.

1424
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,680
>> Okay. Well, and the thing is is if you

1425
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,680
did send it to general fund, then you're

1426
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,160
using property taxes to pay for it.

1427
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,640
Whereas if you're got it in sewer,

1428
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,720
you're able to absorb some of that with

1429
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,880
the cost of the what you're charging

1430
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,480
>> unless there's a reasonable reason to

1431
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,000
move it.

1432
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,800
>> I I honestly think it's a good route to

1433
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,200
go in my opinion, but it's not written.

1434
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:53,839
>> Yeah.

1435
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:57,119
>> So, is that more not muddy the So I

1436
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:58,559
understand is that more that it's an

1437
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,520
enterprise fund because like if there's

1438
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,599
other departments in the city that we

1439
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:05,680
don't allocate.

1440
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,520
>> It's because it's enterprise versus

1441
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,319
general. Yeah. Yep. You've got it.

1442
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:12,373
>> I'm teaching you accounting. See,

1443
00:55:12,373 --> 00:55:13,440
[laughter]

1444
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,800
>> you're all going to be accountants by

1445
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,000
the time you're done with me, right?

1446
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,839
>> Poor guys.

1447
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:20,880
So

1448
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,800
>> can I ask question?

1449
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,720
>> Yes, please do. 1041560

1450
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,359
and this goes along with four other line

1451
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:33,040
items in our packet for

1452
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,480
grant or sorry impacts fee studies.

1453
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,760
We've got $100,000 tied up in this

1454
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:40,880
year's budget.

1455
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:41,440
>> Correct.

1456
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,280
>> Impact fee studies that we haven't spent

1457
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,800
a month on.

1458
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,520
>> They're hoping they'll be spent by the

1459
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:48,960
end of the year.

1460
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,640
>> Not for sure.

1461
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,520
We're hoping, but we can't be for sure.

1462
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,079
Yes.

1463
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,000
>> So, are we still planning on using all

1464
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,680
that money just for impact these

1465
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,359
studies?

1466
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:01,280
>> I specifically asked that and they don't

1467
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,599
have an exact amount until the study's

1468
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:09,440
done. And he said if they need to we can

1469
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,680
bill it however way but he said if you

1470
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,520
need us to wait and bill it in July

1471
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,920
which probably will be more like it'll

1472
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,240
be for next year then we can move that

1473
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,000
money into July.

1474
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,599
>> Can I piggyback that because it's kind

1475
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:24,240
of the same line I have a question here.

1476
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:25,680
If you're able to walk us through what

1477
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,200
the budget will look like if everything

1478
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,119
that's currently delayed committed or

1479
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,440
unpaid were hit before the year end.

1480
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,960
>> And that's what I've done.

1481
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,400
>> Okay. um as far as I can tell.

1482
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,559
>> Okay. So, with these impact fee studies,

1483
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,640
we budgeted for them for last year

1484
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,319
because first off, we can't even start

1485
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:46,880
them until the council said yes, we'll

1486
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,480
commit the money.

1487
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,559
>> But, and so I've left it that way. If

1488
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:56,400
they come to us and they say, you know,

1489
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,839
true, we're going to have to adopt the

1490
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:00,640
tenative budget, not knowing for sure,

1491
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,079
but July or first end of June, we

1492
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,319
probably will do an amended budget if we

1493
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:09,119
have to. And those are not going to go

1494
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:13,839
through. My intentions is that and you

1495
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:16,079
can tell me differently but is to

1496
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:18,960
basically take that 100,000 that each

1497
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,640
one of them should have been spent in

1498
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,400
impact [clears throat] fees and we'll

1499
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,400
have to add it as an expense item for

1500
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,640
this year's. But basically what I'm

1501
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,359
thinking is we'll just take that 100,000

1502
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:31,280
take it out of this year's budget say

1503
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,079
we're reserving part of fund balance for

1504
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:35,839
that

1505
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:38,079
and then put it in this year. So it's

1506
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,319
just a way of putting it

1507
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:43,359
there in a in a

1508
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:44,000
>> rolling.

1509
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,440
>> Yeah. Basically rolling it so that we're

1510
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,839
not using if we have to postpone it,

1511
00:57:49,839 --> 00:57:52,400
we're not budgeting for it twice and

1512
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,160
putting money back into fund balance

1513
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,760
that we didn't spend and then

1514
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,839
having to come up with that funds again.

1515
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:01,839
We're we're agreeing that yeah, we

1516
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,599
budgeted for it. Yeah, they didn't bill

1517
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,160
us in time. Okay, we're just going to go

1518
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,720
ahead and move that over to next year.

1519
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,799
It adds to fund balance. Now it takes

1520
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:14,400
away from fund balance or equity is what

1521
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,079
>> temporary 1560 is for transportation.

1522
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:27,109
>> The next one was 1046.

1523
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,839
» Okay. So the impact fee study was the

1524
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:34,870
1044 5060.

1525
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,690
Yeah,

1526
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:41,670
[clears throat]

1527
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,240
» the park's

1528
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,720
all

1529
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,280
the impact.

1530
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,000
>> So, there was

1531
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,630
>> So, what's the general

1532
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,359
» help me here?

1533
00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:58,000
>> That's the only ones I know parts and it

1534
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,920
needs an update. We're not starting from

1535
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,280
scratch.

1536
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,799
>> The parts one, the zero different

1537
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:06,640
because the state law has changed and

1538
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,280
then streets will be completely new.

1539
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,359
>> Weren't we doing a storm water one as

1540
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:11,839
well?

1541
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:12,400
>> Yes.

1542
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,160
>> And we've never had a storm water

1543
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,280
either,

1544
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,880
>> but I don't Let's look here.

1545
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,839
>> I'm trying to remind her why we budgeted

1546
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:24,640
it that way. Yeah. No,

1547
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,280
>> very fair question, Ryan. Very fair

1548
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,920
question.

1549
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,440
>> Yeah, storm water. We had the 100,000.

1550
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,359
Is there parks in the parks as well?

1551
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:42,881
>> Yeah, there is one in parks.

1552
00:59:42,891 --> 00:59:43,546
[cough]

1553
00:59:43,546 --> 00:59:43,599
[clears throat]

1554
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,960
>> What was that for then?

1555
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,760
>> There was something. Was it part of a

1556
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,520
>> is it? It's not

1557
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,559
working with Tim.

1558
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:59,680
>> The what? It's it's the the grant that

1559
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,359
we received to do some commercial

1560
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:07,119
standards and to do some upgrades to the

1561
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:08,640
general plan.

1562
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,480
>> I bet you that's what it is.

1563
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,680
We received

1564
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,760
the grant to do that. It was

1565
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,920
>> shocked if we had all that money spent

1566
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,040
by the end of this.

1567
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,950
>> Yeah.

1568
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,520
» And like I said, I I kind of agree with

1569
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,440
you, but I don't want to budget for it

1570
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,559
twice,

1571
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:34,640
>> you know. Do you see my thought process

1572
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,079
there, Ryan?

1573
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:37,760
>> Yeah. I don't want to

1574
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,720
>> just kind of rolling a little bit.

1575
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,359
>> I was just concerned that there was

1576
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:45,680
General

1577
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,040
>> I that's got [clears throat] to be what

1578
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,000
that general is.

1579
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,760
>> So what did we call it? So I can give it

1580
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,680
a better description. We called it

1581
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:54,400
something else.

1582
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,720
>> So it was the

1583
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,400
commercial. It was a Wasatch Front

1584
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,640
Regional Council

1585
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,599
>> that we received and it was commercial

1586
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:06,559
standards and

1587
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:10,160
general plan and zoning updates.

1588
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:15,119
>> Okay. [snorts] So maybe If I just put

1589
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,200
because I want these descriptions to

1590
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,079
make more sense to us by all means.

1591
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:21,920
Yeah, transportation grant. I have that

1592
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,760
in the parentheses. So maybe if I just

1593
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,680
put that it's grant money. Is that

1594
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:26,160
better?

1595
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,240
>> Well, no. That transportation is a

1596
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,720
transportation. That's a separate one

1597
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,720
than the one that does the commercial

1598
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,000
standards

1599
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,079
>> because there is a transportation

1600
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,799
>> and there is the parks, there is the

1601
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:43,359
sewer, there is the storm drain and then

1602
01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:46,079
there is the one to do the commercial

1603
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:48,799
standards. So is this the commercial

1604
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:50,400
standards because we've got the other

1605
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:50,799
one

1606
01:01:50,799 --> 01:01:53,520
>> transportation that he had already

1607
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,520
in highways.

1608
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,319
>> It's in general highways I would think

1609
01:01:58,319 --> 01:01:59,520
would be transportation

1610
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,000
>> and is there one listed in highways?

1611
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,200
>> There is one highway.

1612
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,200
>> So I think this is that grant because

1613
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,680
I've got a note here that it's a grant.

1614
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,280
>> Okay. And that probably is I even put I

1615
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,200
don't know WFR. I don't know what you

1616
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,319
want to call it.

1617
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:15,760
>> Standards update.

1618
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,359
>> Yeah. standards update would be a good

1619
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:18,079
one.

1620
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:20,480
>> Okay. So, maybe call it transportation.

1621
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,160
>> It's not even necessarily a

1622
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,440
transportation because it's commercial

1623
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,160
standards and it's just standards

1624
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,480
updates. Commercial

1625
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,599
general fund updates. I mean general

1626
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:36,160
plan, excuse me.

1627
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,760
>> So, that being said, show that

1628
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,520
>> there shows an expense.

1629
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,520
>> Yeah. Well, and it should

1630
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,559
for this year. We've got it budgeted for

1631
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,280
the current year, which it's probably

1632
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:56,069
part of that grant.

1633
01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:59,440
» Um, okay. So, the grant. Okay. So, if

1634
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,200
you go back to tab two

1635
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:12,470
and go to line item 10337,000,

1636
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:18,069
top two and then

1637
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:19,839
» 7,000 right there. The grants local

1638
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:22,720
units is 10,000. We had to pay 10,000 of

1639
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:23,839
the 100

1640
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:26,480
>> 10300,000

1641
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,400
>> matching our matching.

1642
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,640
>> So it's on page four of your 34.

1643
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,400
>> Thank you. [laughter]

1644
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,119
>> Okay. Bring local units. Yes,

1645
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:38,640
>> that's

1646
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,200
>> because we paid 10, they give us 90.

1647
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:50,230
>> So, shouldn't be more

1648
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,559
» right here.

1649
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:53,920
We received that yet. I don't think

1650
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:54,799
we've received that yet.

1651
01:03:54,799 --> 01:03:58,079
>> The one the Utah Recreation Grant I

1652
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:04,630
think was part of the parks. It wasn't part of theund,000 [cough]

1653
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,710
because that was WFRC.

1654
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:14,309
I'll go through,

1655
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:18,470
» but we haven't got one yet.

1656
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:23,910
» We haven't spent any of it yet.

1657
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,920
» So, we probably haven't got the funds

1658
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,599
for it yet.

1659
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,750
>> They are actually

1660
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,760
» Oh, they are.

1661
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,760
That's the Blakemore money. That's a

1662
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,760
different one. You're talking from 55

1663
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:38,880
from

1664
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,549
>> down by

1665
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,559
coming back this way.

1666
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:46,240
>> So I guess my point is if we have a

1667
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,789
grant for that one

1668
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:52,880
should offset. Correct.

1669
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,400
>> If that's the case, we just found

1670
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,280
ourselves $100,000.

1671
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,400
>> Well, but we no longer have this 172

1672
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,150
income.

1673
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,960
It says the Utah

1674
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,319
or is that just label?

1675
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:13,599
>> I think that was

1676
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:23,510
for the park impact.

1677
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,680
» I think that was the park and he said we

1678
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,240
could use that for the parks.

1679
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:33,440
Well, we right here I have 120 grant 7

1680
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:38,480
>> 789 for parks impact for the bleachers.

1681
01:05:38,480 --> 01:06:10,630
That was different.

1682
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,000
Um cuz yeah, if we if this was a grant

1683
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,990
money

1684
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,720
» then we wouldn't have but that doesn't

1685
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,920
give us 100,000 this year.

1686
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,319
Cuz

1687
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:32,309
we won't have the revenue either.

1688
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:34,480
» Yeah. Yeah.

1689
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,119
>> Which

1690
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:40,240
>> Yeah. Which we'll have to figure out

1691
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,760
if we're getting that or when we're

1692
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,760
getting it.

1693
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,839
>> Do you know if we received it or is it

1694
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:48,400
something we got put in after

1695
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,880
>> outdoor recreation? You have to spend it

1696
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:56,470
first and then they give it to you back.

1697
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,200
So, I'll I'll highlight that and put a

1698
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,799
note here that we need to follow up on

1699
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:06,630
that and see where the money is.

1700
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:07,680
» Yep.

1701
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,559
>> If we haven't got it, we need to get it

1702
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:15,750
if we've spent it. So,

1703
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,400
» I don't think we have spent yet for

1704
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,230
sure. Not all

1705
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,319
» Yeah. I mean it's not showing as being

1706
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:25,599
spent but

1707
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:27,520
>> we approved in city council you have to

1708
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,319
do the and then you have to do the

1709
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:32,531
what's it

1710
01:07:32,531 --> 01:07:35,349
[clears throat]

1711
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:36,640
» analysis

1712
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,520
>> yes the plan one of them is the plan the

1713
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,280
analysis and I know we approved that in

1714
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,400
city council

1715
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,319
>> and I know they've been working on it

1716
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:47,119
whether we have actually

1717
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:48,880
>> yeah I'm not sure that

1718
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,559
>> the one we've got through Tim

1719
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,880
and are just waiting to get going. I

1720
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,480
don't think we've been building anything

1721
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,309
on that.

1722
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:04,710
» Yeah.

1723
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:05,200
» Okay.

1724
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:10,710
>> So, back to what Jarvis

1725
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,960
of $100,000. You said it just needs an

1726
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:13,839
update.

1727
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:15,039
>> Yeah. And if it

1728
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:16,799
>> shouldn't cost that much.

1729
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:17,759
>> Hopefully not.

1730
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:19,040
>> Well, I think that's what we have the

1731
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,319
grant for was the parks. Yeah, I think

1732
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:23,759
it was the parks when we got

1733
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:26,400
>> So, I think we had

1734
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,480
maybe I

1735
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:31,679
remember g to

1736
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:38,149
seems like it.

1737
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,560
We We did our best guess because we

1738
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,040
still don't know numbers. Remember when

1739
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,799
we were doing budget, we kind of said,

1740
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:48,159
"What's our best guess?"

1741
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:50,477
>> So,

1742
01:08:50,477 --> 01:08:52,000
[laughter] We may have guessed a little

1743
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:52,799
high.

1744
01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:56,560
>> Yeah. And that that's very possible.

1745
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,470
>> Yes.

1746
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:02,159
» Okay.

1747
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:04,319
Um

1748
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:09,359
so let's go back up to where to here.

1749
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,470
Okay.

1750
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:13,279
So

1751
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,630
>> you were gone.

1752
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,239
sleeping dogs.

1753
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,640
>> Yeah. He was also just calling me to

1754
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,640
tell me that if we could use like city

1755
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:46,229
equipment or labor move

1756
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:47,679
» I did find this.

1757
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:51,520
sewer impact was last updated 2022

1758
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,920
transportation impact her currently

1759
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,640
doesn't that's that one study park

1760
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,800
received an $80,000 grant to help with

1761
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,239
this study it was last updated in 2023

1762
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:04,080
storm drain Herper currently does not

1763
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,320
have a storm drain impact fee

1764
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,199
>> 2023 years old

1765
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:12,159
>> no parks 2003 I'm sorry

1766
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:15,040
>> 2003

1767
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:15,360
Yes,

1768
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,440
>> we got 80,000 of it as a grant.

1769
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:20,000
>> Heer received an $80,000 grant with this

1770
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,600
study, [cough] which we've got 80,000 as

1771
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,840
part of the grant revenue.

1772
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,040
>> So that Yeah, good thinking though. I

1773
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,960
like how you're thinking. Um, yeah, we

1774
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,480
have not spent 6,450 as donations. I

1775
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,800
believe we left that there because there

1776
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,120
was I remember talking about that there

1777
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,800
was something that the council wanted to

1778
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,960
donate to. Was it the center the Rory

1779
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,480
Aquatics

1780
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:51,520
>> sometimes we do it's the children

1781
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,080
justice center they have done that

1782
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,560
before we always have the YCC that comes

1783
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,800
and ask I don't know that we have

1784
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,520
necessarily though approved I mean we

1785
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,320
haven't yet for next year but they do

1786
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,800
always come and ask for specific

1787
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,320
donations

1788
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,600
>> this year

1789
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,600
>> and we don't have a budgeted for next

1790
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:16,390
year

1791
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,164
Don't touch

1792
01:11:19,164 --> 01:11:27,430
[laughter]

1793
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:33,270
it.

1794
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:38,000
» I think that is part of our

1795
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:44,709
>> inspection infrastructure.

1796
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:46,560
Don't know why we've never had it in the

1797
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,320
past. Why did we add that?

1798
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,480
>> Did it have to do anything with our

1799
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:54,640
storm water?

1800
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:55,360
I don't know.

1801
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,199
>> I almost feel like

1802
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:58,480
>> I would think so, too.

1803
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,960
>> I think you wanted to keep But that

1804
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:05,040
wouldn't have been in general fund.

1805
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,440
>> It would have been in highways or

1806
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:12,159
streets. We wouldn't put it in general.

1807
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:18,149
>> If nobody knows, let's take it out. Yep.

1808
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:20,735
» There's your 5,000. Keep going, Ryan.

1809
01:12:20,735 --> 01:12:21,440
[laughter]

1810
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:22,719
>> That's half the cost to help our

1811
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:23,920
employees get better.

1812
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:24,480
>> It is.

1813
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:28,310
>> Yeah.

1814
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,120
Um, and I will say as part of the

1815
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:31,840
budget,

1816
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,760
>> the only thing I can think of, but I

1817
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,000
thought we included it in engineering

1818
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,159
general, was sometimes we hire special

1819
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:42,080
engineers or something to help us on

1820
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,520
infrastructure inspection like a asphalt

1821
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,320
testing.

1822
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,920
>> That's probably what it was.

1823
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,440
>> I would have thought that being

1824
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:51,760
engineering, that general engineering,

1825
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,760
but

1826
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,840
>> I don't think we I think I think you're

1827
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:56,800
right, but

1828
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,640
>> looks like we haven't coated anything to

1829
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,040
it.

1830
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,159
>> No. So, let's

1831
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:01,040
>> I'd scratch it.

1832
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,840
>> Scratch it. Clean it up. Okay,

1833
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,275
>> sounds good. [cough]

1834
01:13:05,275 --> 01:13:06,640
[clears throat]

1835
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,760
Um, any other

1836
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,960
>> So, you got training up above, planning

1837
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,280
commission training, council training,

1838
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,840
and then down on 10-41-6530,

1839
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,480
you have training again. Okay, that's

1840
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:24,320
for your staff training for your

1841
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:30,239
administration staff. So like um

1842
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:32,400
>> and then I know how we explained the

1843
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,880
computer replacement from that one time,

1844
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,960
but we haven't we're budgeting three

1845
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,400
grand. We got a few months left in this

1846
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,000
fiscal year. Are we anticipating that

1847
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,159
we're going to replace computers yet?

1848
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,159
>> No, I think everybody's pretty well up

1849
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,000
to date.

1850
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:48,480
>> Maybe we don't.

1851
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,159
>> I think Monica's computer is the last

1852
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:51,440
one.

1853
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,800
But our IT guy saying that her computer

1854
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,400
is still qualifying with what is being

1855
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,560
used. I don't know the whole

1856
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,719
terminology, but her computer is the

1857
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:04,800
last one to update, but hers is still

1858
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,480
fine.

1859
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:09,280
>> I'm just wondering.

1860
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,800
I mean, I know that's only like two

1861
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,960
computers, but

1862
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,080
do we need that money sitting out that

1863
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,840
we just replaced them all a year ago

1864
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,950
with that 14 grand?

1865
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:28,470
You're talking

1866
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,880
» 41 50 85.

1867
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,760
>> Oh, right there. Okay. Yeah, we could

1868
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,679
decrease that.

1869
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:37,440
You want to decrease that?

1870
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:39,040
>> I mean, I think

1871
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,880
>> we're not using it. That's my thought.

1872
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:47,446
What do you guys think?

1873
01:14:47,456 --> 01:14:52,310
» [clears throat]

1874
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,120
» Sounds good.

1875
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,760
>> How about the memberships? We've used

1876
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,520
twice as well, not twice as much, but

1877
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:07,110
almost double what

1878
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,800
» are those water memberships? Is that

1879
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,560
like

1880
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:15,990
>> we pay them? I don't know what else.

1881
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,520
that League of Cities thing. I mean that

1882
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,320
also gets us access to that city manager

1883
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,000
thing that we

1884
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,440
>> have used a lot, right?

1885
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:25,199
>> We have used a lot.

1886
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:29,040
>> We signed Malcolm up for a planner one

1887
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:36,709
planner association.

1888
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:46,149
So, we need to up

1889
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:47,600
» anybody have a problem with me doing

1890
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,080
that 15 then.

1891
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:51,199
>> What was it at?

1892
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:52,960
>> It was at 75.

1893
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:59,990
>> Yeah. So, essentially

1894
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,280
» 167 this year.

1895
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,040
>> There goes all the money.

1896
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,120
>> Yeah.

1897
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,480
>> Sorry.

1898
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,280
Um though

1899
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:29,350
membership we only gave him 500

1900
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,360
» somewhere because we have the rate we

1901
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,600
have the contract that we've signed.

1902
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,080
We're not sure where that

1903
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,960
where we pay that at because they say we

1904
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,560
are paying. They didn't say you're

1905
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,320
delinquent on your bill.

1906
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:43,760
asking.

1907
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,668
>> It's probably

1908
01:16:46,668 --> 01:16:51,750
[laughter]

1909
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:52,960
from Wever County.

1910
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:58,550
>> So, we don't need to pay.

1911
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,078
» Yeah.

1912
01:17:01,078 --> 01:17:02,640
[snorts] We have to have that money in

1913
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,159
there.

1914
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:11,270
>> We're paying it. We're just not sure.

1915
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,400
I'm just questions on the code

1916
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,320
enforcement and I know the guy comes out

1917
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,800
once in a while looks at stuff but they

1918
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,360
don't actually enforce it that we have

1919
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,000
to enforce it as a city and I don't know

1920
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,159
that we've ever in either of you two's

1921
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,400
memory actually pursued it and enforced

1922
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,360
it. Have we ever turned the dogs loose

1923
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,520
and said, you know, Patch's got to clean

1924
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,040
up your yard or

1925
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,440
>> the bus has got to be gone off of 5100

1926
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:38,880
over here or something like that?

1927
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,040
>> That's up to us and we need to and I

1928
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,880
actually have scheduled a time for

1929
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,120
Miss Allen to come out, but it would

1930
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,360
need to be earlier. It was on a Thursday

1931
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,600
earlier. What time? Because he's off

1932
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,520
work. Because I will tell you straight

1933
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,600
up, if we're just going to be a phone

1934
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,520
call and have somebody go look at it and

1935
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,360
say, "Well, that needs to be fixed." And

1936
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:00,400
we're not going to do anything about it.

1937
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:01,840
I'll happily go do that for free. You

1938
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,440
can call me and I'll say, "Yep, your gas

1939
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,280
is too dull, Kevin." And if we're not

1940
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,040
going to do anything about it, we can

1941
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,640
save $7,000 a year.

1942
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,480
>> I'll tell you an example today of a

1943
01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:18,070
woman that came in. I'm not disclosed

1944
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,600
and it was very effective.

1945
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,679
deal with these people. He is out

1946
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:25,679
working with them. But you're exactly

1947
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:27,600
right. We need to then we need to do

1948
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,360
something. [clears throat] So he said we

1949
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,760
can send them the letter and say here's

1950
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,520
your first time. Here's and when we go

1951
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,600
through our fee schedule it's last year

1952
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,040
we said we wanted to raise our fee

1953
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,360
schedule. So it was so much every day.

1954
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,440
But then we have to be willing to send

1955
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:43,679
them to bill and collect it. And if we

1956
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:45,199
don't collect it then we need to be

1957
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:47,600
willing to take them to court and then

1958
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,880
put a lean on their property or

1959
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:55,039
That's kind of my point.

1960
01:18:55,049 --> 01:19:00,709
[laughter]

1961
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:03,600
» And we need to we want to be nice and

1962
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,400
this woman today is a widow and needs

1963
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,120
help. I understand that. So, we'll go

1964
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,360
work with her. There needs to be,

1965
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:12,640
>> you know, I'm just My point is that

1966
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,400
we're not, you know, there's no sense

1967
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,000
teaching a dog to bite if we're not

1968
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,080
turning loose.

1969
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,960
>> And you can you like go through the

1970
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,480
proper means and you'd have to get with

1971
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:24,239
the attorney to see exactly how to do

1972
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:27,440
it. But you can hire like somebody to go

1973
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:30,239
mow weeds or whatever and then go back

1974
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:31,920
to the property and they'll sign up

1975
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:32,880
their property taxes.

1976
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:33,280
>> Yeah.

1977
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,000
>> Yada yada yada lean on the property down

1978
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,120
the road.

1979
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,880
>> I just don't know that we're going to

1980
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,480
pursue this kind of stuff.

1981
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:42,640
>> But we need to and this one we talked

1982
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,960
today there's a six months and then if

1983
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,560
things aren't done then it's called

1984
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,600
abatement. Then we the city pays for

1985
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,920
that and it goes under taxes.

1986
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,360
>> Okay. If we're going to do it, great.

1987
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,280
But I don't think we have done that.

1988
01:19:55,280 --> 01:20:01,110
>> We have not and and we need to

1989
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,679
» Okay. So, we want to leave that then for

1990
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:08,229
>> another year.

1991
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:10,960
» Yeah. Um,

1992
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,600
anything with

1993
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:20,470
that?

1994
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:21,679
» What is the search?

1995
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:24,960
>> So, that was the 20 to the 39. That's

1996
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:25,520
sitting.

1997
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:26,960
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

1998
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,080
>> Well, that's part of the 39.

1999
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:31,120
>> Part of the 39.

2000
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,000
>> Okay.

2001
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,760
>> Giving them the authorization to spend

2002
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:43,189
that 20 of that.

2003
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:46,080
Okay,

2004
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:56,310
>> any questions?

2005
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,360
» Oh, yeah. I moved it to the 20 because

2006
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,360
whatever we budget for the income, we

2007
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,280
need to budget the same for the expense.

2008
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,880
>> You say that will go back to 20.

2009
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,320
Yeah, we changed it back to 20,

2010
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:21,761
but I also changed the income number.

2011
01:21:21,771 --> 01:21:22,560
[clears throat]

2012
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,199
And I did make sure that the tomato days

2013
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:27,679
tied out to the revenue from tomato

2014
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:31,440
days. So that does tie. I had 100,000 in

2015
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:32,960
there because that's just what we had.

2016
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,400
But that gave us 8,000 more. I found

2017
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:37,199
some

2018
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:40,550
>> 8,000. [laughter]

2019
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,000
» We can spend it though, I'm sure.

2020
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,840
>> Did we decide to budget in a way to give

2021
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,159
a substantial commitment to our

2022
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:51,840
employees? We had talked about

2023
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,960
>> Yes. Um I'll just real quick throw that

2024
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,880
out there as the summary. Um we had

2025
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,320
talked

2026
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:01,840
that

2027
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,760
from what I understood, we wanted to try

2028
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,320
and go this scenario.

2029
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,400
>> Um, and again, if there's a better way

2030
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,400
you guys want to do this, that's fine. I

2031
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,639
did calculate on average that gave each

2032
01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:18,629
employee a$186 raise on average.

2033
01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:25,430
Yeah, I just

2034
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:26,800
» Morgan and I have gone through and kind

2035
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,159
of looked at each employee

2036
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:33,360
because there's some employees do more

2037
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,920
than one job that you know specifically

2038
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,280
if we wanted to combine but after we

2039
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:40,639
realized how much we're going to

2040
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:43,679
increase with the sheriffs we thought we

2041
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:45,600
don't know that we want to throw out a

2042
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:46,639
huge

2043
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:49,600
increase and also say we need additional

2044
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:53,430
money.

2045
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:54,960
» I just want to record since it's

2046
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,880
recorded saying I hate that and it's not

2047
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,080
like against what you're saying. I'm

2048
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,480
just saying the fact that we are

2049
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,400
increasing

2050
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,639
towards paying the sheriff when we won't

2051
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:06,560
see we'll see the headcount like a point

2052
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,199
something percentage value to our

2053
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:11,440
citizens when our employees serve our

2054
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:14,000
citizens every day and they give a much

2055
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,840
more substantial impact to their

2056
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,760
dayto-day and what they do for us here

2057
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,159
and as we've talked about training them

2058
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:21,600
up and sending them to another city

2059
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,840
because we can't invest in them here. If

2060
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,520
we are offsetting what we can do for

2061
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,239
them because we have to to another

2062
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:30,080
department outside of our city who is

2063
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,040
not giving us the value kind of category

2064
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,360
object to that. I mean doesn't mean we

2065
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:36,400
have to do something about it. I just

2066
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:37,360
want to say

2067
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,040
>> out loud that I think that we should

2068
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,960
invest first and foremost in our people

2069
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,480
>> and we need to work on that.

2070
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:45,280
>> We got to find a way to make

2071
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,040
>> I don't feel like I could ever feel like

2072
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:48,719
I can look our employees in the face and

2073
01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:49,760
say,

2074
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,080
>> "Hey, you do so much for our people, but

2075
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,600
this other department, they're just

2076
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,120
asking for more, so you need to do more

2077
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:56,159
of less."

2078
01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:58,560
>> You know, I agree.

2079
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,159
>> Yeah, because we went through and I was

2080
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:02,800
really hoping we could even do more and

2081
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,880
you know not because Morgan is sitting

2082
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,040
here but we have Morgan that's not only

2083
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,120
a city recorder she's doing a lot of the

2084
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,199
administrative and we have Malcolm

2085
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:13,440
that's not only our you know planner

2086
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,320
he's also doing a lot of community and

2087
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:17,840
we have some employees that are

2088
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,280
significantly underpaid.

2089
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,719
On the same token, a lot of times within

2090
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:27,120
a budget, and this is just experience

2091
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,920
within budgets, you do not give

2092
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,560
employees increases unless you have new

2093
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,639
sources of revenue.

2094
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:37,920
>> The fact that we're trying to do more

2095
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,679
for the employees with same revenue says

2096
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:44,560
a lot for this council putting that

2097
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:45,120
first.

2098
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:45,440
>> Sure.

2099
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:47,280
>> And I think that, you know, should we

2100
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,199
talk about

2101
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:51,679
We have equipment, you know, we have

2102
01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:53,840
supplies, blah blah blah, but our

2103
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,360
employees are the most important thing.

2104
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:56,159
>> Exactly.

2105
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:58,239
>> We have our tractor for the year. Big

2106
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:00,239
deal. So, we, you know, take care of our

2107
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:00,400
people.

2108
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,320
>> Well, it's an unrealized cost. It's just

2109
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,920
a reality of running a business. If you

2110
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:05,040
don't take care of your people and they

2111
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,159
leave, go somewhere else, we're going to

2112
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:08,639
have to pay for train all that knowledge

2113
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:10,719
we're going to lose.

2114
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:12,159
>> Yeah.

2115
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:12,800
>> Okay.

2116
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,400
So, yes, this budget is building

2117
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:16,880
with that.

2118
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:17,840
>> Yeah. We need more revenue.

2119
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:23,270
>> More revenue.

2120
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,400
Okay. Any other questions on general? I

2121
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,159
know we've kind of jumped around within

2122
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:31,120
that. So, I'm not going to go too deep

2123
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,000
with everything unless you want me to go

2124
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,880
section by section.

2125
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:42,080
>> Yeah, that's sec your tab number three.

2126
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,520
>> What page is that?

2127
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,880
>> Um, on this one,

2128
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,360
>> where are we at now? Page eight,

2129
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:49,600
>> eight,

2130
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,120
>> nine, around that range.

2131
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,520
>> Actually 10 if it's 10:45.

2132
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:56,560
>> Yeah,

2133
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,199
>> we have 10. Sorry. [laughter]

2134
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,679
>> 11.

2135
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:04,734
>> Page 11.

2136
01:26:04,734 --> 01:26:07,350
[cough]

2137
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,159
» I have a question.

2138
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:11,840
>> Okay. Give me an account number because

2139
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:13,920
mine Sorry, I don't know.

2140
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,920
>> 41 66 10.

2141
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:23,110
>> Okay. 41 6610 utilities. Okay.

2142
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,950
So

2143
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:43,350
» current year 100,500

2144
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,360
>> I think we did.

2145
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,840
I'll double check my math on all that.

2146
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,310
Yeah,

2147
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:55,840
» and I know last year we talked about

2148
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,360
making sure that the employees are

2149
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,600
allocated to what department

2150
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,719
>> because if not we can't accurately see

2151
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:06,159
>> is the garbage garbage, you know,

2152
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:07,840
>> because it was kind of we need to be

2153
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,440
able to see a cemetery paying for

2154
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:12,159
itself. Well, if not, then what do we do

2155
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:14,639
>> to take care of a cemetery? Yeah.

2156
01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:16,000
>> Which

2157
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,159
Jared and I went through all his guys.

2158
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:21,120
We went through all the staff and you

2159
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,040
know the intention is every year to kind

2160
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,440
of go through and you know they're the

2161
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:27,600
ones that would know best without having

2162
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,600
the guys record every 15 minutes of

2163
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,159
their time on what they're actually

2164
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:34,400
working on. So

2165
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:47,350
>> okay, next one.

2166
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:48,639
» Where are you at?

2167
01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:50,800
>> 1044. What?

2168
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:55,750
>> 1044.

2169
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,960
» Um because that got moved. We moved that

2170
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,760
up to be part of the public safety. So

2171
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,910
if you go to 10426545

2172
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,679
that is now moved up there with the

2173
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:09,679
public safety because we felt like

2174
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:11,520
crossing guards belong more public

2175
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,040
safety.

2176
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,800
>> So So we moved it then

2177
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,800
>> it was just history. We're just keeping

2178
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,360
history there. There's nothing budgeted

2179
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,280
for this year.

2180
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:26,000
So we spent

2181
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:44,870
23,000 there,000

2182
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,280
» we did gain a new one last year

2183
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,960
>> with the new elementary school.

2184
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:55,691
So we for three areas. We have

2185
01:28:55,691 --> 01:28:57,440
[clears throat] 4700,

2186
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:01,120
we have the one on 5,500, and we have

2187
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,199
5100.

2188
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:05,040
>> I'm guessing that we've only been build

2189
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,040
for part of it, and we're waiting for

2190
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,639
the bill. So, really, my current year

2191
01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:10,480
estimates probably wrong

2192
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:11,360
>> is what I'm thinking.

2193
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,040
>> Sometimes we don't get

2194
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,120
>> last year, we spent 459 and we're adding

2195
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:18,480
one more this year.

2196
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:26,070
>> No, no, it's the same amount.

2197
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,840
Yeah. So, I just changed that current

2198
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,840
year then.

2199
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,080
>> I think we probably not got all the bill

2200
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,880
for that.

2201
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,639
>> We might not get till the end of the

2202
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:38,880
year.

2203
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,239
>> So, it'll come out of the fiscal year.

2204
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:42,000
So, it'll be like half of the year next

2205
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:42,960
year.

2206
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:44,080
>> Um,

2207
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,560
>> well, it'll all go last year

2208
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,080
>> and then this year.

2209
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:48,880
>> We need to budget.

2210
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,199
>> 20 second timeout. on that school

2211
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:52,080
crossing card.

2212
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,560
>> Yes.

2213
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,800
>> Okay.

2214
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,800
>> Yeah.

2215
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,719
But I anticipate that they'll bill

2216
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:04,400
us like again right at the end of the

2217
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,239
school year, which would be

2218
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:09,360
>> a quarter

2219
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,920
>> quarterly.

2220
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,360
Then if we should have had three

2221
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:14,719
quarters build to us already.

2222
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:17,679
>> Yeah. I'm guessing we've only had two.

2223
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:20,000
>> I think the last might statute

2224
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,807
limitations by house.

2225
01:30:22,807 --> 01:30:23,920
[laughter]

2226
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:25,760
>> I wish

2227
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,800
>> we have things like

2228
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,480
>> some stuff. Yeah.

2229
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:33,040
>> Yeah. Some things are filled, you know,

2230
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,280
just sporadically different times

2231
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,440
>> and if they're for the previous like

2232
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:40,159
even if we get the bill in July but it's

2233
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:42,320
for the previous year, we still move it

2234
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:46,560
back to that year. Um, it depends on the

2235
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,040
date on the invoice though that we have

2236
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,199
to watch that. So,

2237
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:51,760
>> just curious.

2238
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:52,960
>> We do approve back.

2239
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,280
>> Yeah. You know, the quick math just

2240
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,920
>> Yep. And and it gets confusing when

2241
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,560
you're doing these. Trust me. [laughter]

2242
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,560
>> I usually have the general ledger open

2243
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:04,639
going down.

2244
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:06,960
>> We have this up here. We don't know if

2245
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,080
there's going to be an increase.

2246
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,199
>> There usually could be for our crossing

2247
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:14,880
guards, you know. they could get that

2248
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,639
and the same with the animal shelter. So

2249
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:17,199
that's

2250
01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:18,560
>> nobody's given us anything.

2251
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:19,600
>> Yeah, we don't know yet.

2252
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:23,440
>> We're guessing 5%. Hoping

2253
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,033
>> keep

2254
01:31:25,033 --> 01:31:26,400
[clears throat]

2255
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,800
>> if animal control goes up that then

2256
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,920
Larry's gonna cover or not Larry. Yeah,

2257
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,203
Ray's going to cover the rest.

2258
01:31:34,203 --> 01:31:34,719
[laughter]

2259
01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:36,000
>> I might as well.

2260
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,159
>> You might as well, dude.

2261
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:40,400
>> No, she means financial. Oh,

2262
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,880
>> no. No, I mean in his time. He's just

2263
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,000
going to go do it.

2264
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:45,120
>> I [laughter] can actually do that. I

2265
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:46,880
only have to keep one uncounted for cow

2266
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:48,639
and they cover us for the whole year.

2267
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:51,233
>> Yeah. At the price of cows right now.

2268
01:31:51,233 --> 01:31:53,120
[laughter]

2269
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:54,800
>> She had a friend today by the way. Oh,

2270
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:55,120
okay.

2271
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:56,639
>> You know, while we're there though, some

2272
01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:58,480
of these services though, we really

2273
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:00,880
maybe could look at sometime doing. I

2274
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,480
mean, we when we get to garbage, you

2275
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:04,560
know, because we've talked about that. I

2276
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,719
mean, maybe that really is like having a

2277
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:08,960
dump or a green waste. You know, talked

2278
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,320
about that. But even like this, maybe

2279
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:11,920
there are

2280
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,239
services we could

2281
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:15,840
>> I'm definitely looking into that. Trust

2282
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:16,320
me.

2283
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,080
>> Yeah, maybe we could do like Oakley and

2284
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,639
create our own sewage treatment plan.

2285
01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:22,880
They did it cost 2 million.

2286
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:24,560
>> 2 million

2287
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:25,840
>> 20 years ago.

2288
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,280
>> That was 20 years ago [laughter]

2289
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:34,470
now.

2290
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:39,910
» And then we got 247 coverage.

2291
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,000
» Mountain Green just redo there.

2292
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,719
>> Not paying anybody to manage to turn in

2293
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:49,270
their own secondary water.

2294
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:50,639
» Okay. Where we at?

2295
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:54,320
>> Okay. Back on track. [laughter]

2296
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:58,000
Uh recreation community events.

2297
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,040
>> So, let's see where I'm page.

2298
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,199
>> Oh.

2299
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:07,350
>> Um

2300
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:08,320
page eight.

2301
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:12,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry guys. [laughter]

2302
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,960
I'm going off the computer. So it drives

2303
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,790
me.

2304
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,400
Um so we've got 132500.

2305
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,040
Um

2306
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,280
that's a reduction from last year but we

2307
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:31,440
didn't also have that grant. Um I am

2308
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:34,639
keeping track with tomato days if we

2309
01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:37,520
have excess that people like donated.

2310
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:40,719
Say we make like instead of 92 in

2311
01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:43,679
revenue, we make a 100,000. We'll keep

2312
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:45,600
track and we'll say, "Okay, now we've

2313
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,159
got 8,000 sitting there that we didn't

2314
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:51,440
spend this year, but we can maybe spend

2315
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:52,800
that the following year." So, I'm going

2316
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,679
to start keeping track of that. So, that

2317
01:33:55,679 --> 01:33:58,400
hopefully the idea is tomato days, it's

2318
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,960
it is paying for itself, but also for

2319
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,120
like your donation people that are

2320
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,360
donating, you know, they they're

2321
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,199
donating for tomato days. They're not

2322
01:34:07,199 --> 01:34:09,440
donating for

2323
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:10,159
road.

2324
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:12,320
>> Yeah. Some other thing. So, the thought

2325
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,120
process being keeping that in the right

2326
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,760
place where it should be and I've got

2327
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:19,920
several years back that I've just

2328
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,840
already got the accounting for. So, I'm

2329
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,400
going to true that up and create an

2330
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,400
individual talking to that figures they

2331
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,280
can probably get a substantial amount of

2332
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,960
donations towards tomato for us.

2333
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,639
>> Hasn't been realized yet, but we're

2334
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:35,520
looking at it.

2335
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:39,560
>> Okay.

2336
01:34:39,570 --> 01:34:42,709
» [laughter]

2337
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:44,320
» Okay.

2338
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:50,400
>> Um, highways, we did try to um keep that

2339
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,400
pretty much where we were at. There's

2340
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:57,520
not that impact fee study expense there.

2341
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,719
Um, and then classy roads. Let's talk

2342
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:03,120
about that for a second because there's

2343
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,199
some stuff with that. Um, I was trying

2344
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:07,760
to keep the guys at about the same

2345
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,080
amount as what they had in the past

2346
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:15,199
year. Um, in the past we have had

2347
01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:17,920
funds that are classy roads money that

2348
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,080
have not been spent and we spent some of

2349
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,600
those, but the reality is is that we

2350
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:28,880
need about 1.5 1.6ish sixish to even

2351
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,800
maintain with the road projects that

2352
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,040
we're at, which I think any of us would

2353
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,520
agree we at least need to do what we did

2354
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,199
last year again this year hopefully. Um,

2355
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,440
if you disagree, by all means, please

2356
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,800
tell me that to change a number. But as

2357
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,520
I look at that, we're only getting about

2358
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,280
600

2359
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:53,040
of that in class C roads every year. So

2360
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,840
that means that the general fund is

2361
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,760
going to have to, you know, in order to

2362
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,080
maintain those road projects, we're

2363
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,080
going to have to pitch in about a

2364
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,800
million worth of that.

2365
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,760
>> But you said we have 1.5 in the fun

2366
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,679
balance.

2367
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:12,560
>> Um, yeah. And I I would propose that we

2368
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,560
spend some of that, [clears throat]

2369
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,159
but we don't want to spend it all at

2370
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:19,120
once. We want to keep, you know, just

2371
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,199
chomping away at it a little bit at a

2372
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:24,080
time. How much?

2373
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,320
>> Well, if you wanted to, we could spend

2374
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,639
the whole thing and count all of it as

2375
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:30,800
there and then we'll just have to use

2376
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,159
general fund funds here on out

2377
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:35,760
recommendation.

2378
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,960
>> I wouldn't chump all the all of it out.

2379
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:44,629
>> Would you chunk? I would maybe say

2380
01:36:44,639 --> 01:36:49,510
at the most 600

2381
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,880
» and that's what I've built in

2382
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,560
is for us to spend about

2383
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,639
>> hopefully we can get that transportation

2384
01:36:56,639 --> 01:37:00,320
impact start generating some income to

2385
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:03,199
offset and get through till then there

2386
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:06,320
are a few of those list that would be

2387
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,880
catastrophic things that could cost us a

2388
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,719
million bucks to

2389
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:12,880
I would hate to spend this down

2390
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,360
>> too far. Too far.

2391
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,080
>> So, what do you do on small things like

2392
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,719
>> snow removal where we didn't use it? Um,

2393
01:37:20,719 --> 01:37:23,280
did we, you know, stockpile salt? Did

2394
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:24,560
we, you know, are we going to need it

2395
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:25,360
next year?

2396
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,000
>> Basically goes back into fund balance or

2397
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,960
your equity. Fund balance is our fancy

2398
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:32,400
word in government accounting for

2399
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:32,960
equity.

2400
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:34,320
>> And I know it's a smaller amount, but

2401
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:35,679
like potholes, like we've only used

2402
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:38,560
2500, but we budgeted. We're estimating

2403
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:39,360
16.

2404
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,040
>> Is there like a project in place you

2405
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,719
think we're going to use that?

2406
01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:45,592
>> The idea is that yes, we may categorize

2407
01:37:45,592 --> 01:37:46,480
[clears throat]

2408
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:49,119
these out into different line items,

2409
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,440
>> but our guys know best what they need to

2410
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:53,679
do and what's best to spend money on.

2411
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:56,159
And so they may say, "Okay, you've

2412
01:37:56,159 --> 01:38:00,080
budgeted me 2065 here, but I can finish

2413
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:04,719
x amount more road with an overlay and

2414
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:06,719
spend that money better on an overlay

2415
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:08,800
than a crack seal." Well, you know what?

2416
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,840
As long as down here they don't go over,

2417
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,639
they they can rob Peter to pay Paul.

2418
01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:16,480
>> Is that also partially seasonal? Because

2419
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:17,600
right now it's just getting warm enough

2420
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,040
to even do some of that. And so it's

2421
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:20,480
like towards the end of the budget, the

2422
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:23,520
fiscal year, but it's also the And so

2423
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:24,800
we'll probably start some of those

2424
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:25,440
projects.

2425
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:27,199
>> Yeah, exactly. And that's

2426
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:29,478
>> two reasons on the potholes.

2427
01:38:29,478 --> 01:38:30,000
[clears throat]

2428
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:31,760
The rugs that were bad that would have

2429
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,480
generated a lot of pothole expense got

2430
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:36,560
maintenance last year and so we didn't

2431
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,360
have them and the winter was so mild.

2432
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,280
Freeze thaw is our biggest enemy that

2433
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,080
causes potholes and we had a really mild

2434
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,790
winter.

2435
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:48,880
And you can't really let asphalt be

2436
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,440
fillless,

2437
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:56,149
right?

2438
01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:59,760
» So I mean I and it's your budget. It's

2439
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,600
not me, but I kind of feel like you know

2440
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,280
what they did with the money that they

2441
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:09,119
had last year was an eye openener for

2442
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:12,400
everybody to say, "Oh, we got that much

2443
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,639
done with that much money. Our guys did

2444
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:17,119
the best they could as far as spending

2445
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,119
it, but it's going to take that much for

2446
01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:21,600
many years to even get us into a good

2447
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:22,880
spot.

2448
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,040
>> Do you see why? [clears throat]

2449
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,360
>> And every time a developer builds a new

2450
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:29,760
place and then they, you know, give that

2451
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,840
money or that road to the city, well,

2452
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:33,679
guess what? Now we get to maintain it.

2453
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:36,639
And it unfortunately

2454
01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:38,880
it doesn't qualify for impact fees at

2455
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,840
that point. So, you know,

2456
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:46,400
>> Yeah. I should say new subdivision.

2457
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,119
Do you drive up there? I I drive it at

2458
01:39:49,119 --> 01:39:51,760
least twice a week. There's cracks that

2459
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,520
whole way from the time I turn off

2460
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,320
Freedom Elementary. Go up through there

2461
01:39:56,320 --> 01:40:00,480
to my son's house. It's horrible roads.

2462
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:05,350
You know that

2463
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,360
» freedom that was one of the first ones

2464
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:14,310
probably

2465
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,880
» I mean hopefully maintenance you know we

2466
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:18,480
keep them where they need a total

2467
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:22,784
rebuild

2468
01:40:22,794 --> 01:40:25,350
[clears throat]

2469
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:29,040
» and we've got we hired a employee that

2470
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:32,000
is excellent roads and knows what he's

2471
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,400
doing with roads as well as Jared. And

2472
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,800
between the two of them, they're a mean

2473
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:38,400
team. [laughter]

2474
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,199
>> If you feel like that stretches you, I

2475
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,880
wouldn't want to go down to nothing. But

2476
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,880
we could trim that a little bit and not

2477
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,600
do as big a project. Just any

2478
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,239
maintenance we do is dollars spent that

2479
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:55,440
are going to save us in the next 5 to 10

2480
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:57,040
years because we're maintaining the

2481
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:00,159
asphalt soon. So, the

2482
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:01,360
in the future.

2483
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,080
>> So, what are you anticipating doing in

2484
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,639
the next little couple months?

2485
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:08,239
>> In the next couple of months, we're

2486
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:10,320
actually just soon as I get some time,

2487
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:11,920
we've been super busy. I'm going to

2488
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,400
re-evaluate everything. We've got some

2489
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,440
money left from last year that we'll

2490
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:20,639
spend in track, seal, and slurry. And

2491
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:23,440
then in July, you know, this next money,

2492
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:25,440
we'll do another full project like we

2493
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:28,080
did last year. So, so you're saying it'd

2494
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:31,119
be great to have all this to do it, but

2495
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:33,040
if we absolutely get to the end of this

2496
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:35,840
budget today or whatever and we need a

2497
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,320
whole bunch more money here, we're able

2498
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,400
to take a little

2499
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:44,390
>> some of this money,

2500
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,280
» but we wouldn't be taking

2501
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,280
it

2502
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:50,719
from

2503
01:41:50,719 --> 01:41:52,960
>> We could still do a substantial project

2504
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,960
and not do 1.5 million if we did a

2505
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,840
million, we'd still be able to do enough

2506
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,960
work that the city sees we're working on

2507
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,840
problem

2508
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:06,719
here.

2509
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:07,280
>> Yeah.

2510
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,040
>> Okay. Well, thank you.

2511
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,920
>> And I mean, keep in mind though that,

2512
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,400
you know, if you're thinking trimming

2513
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:17,600
someplace to

2514
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,159
pay for like the police service, it's

2515
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:22,000
going up again next year and you're

2516
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,239
going to have to keep that trimming.

2517
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:26,480
>> So, is it better to bite off and this is

2518
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:28,159
your decision. Is it better to bite off

2519
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:31,760
the bullet and do the truth in taxation

2520
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,159
when you incur the expense or do you

2521
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:36,480
want to cut some of those other services

2522
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:39,199
and they will continue to be cut years

2523
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:40,400
forward?

2524
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:44,560
I'm thinking in taxation this year,

2525
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,840
>> but if it's a matter of uh and we

2526
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,159
already brought this up, taking some of

2527
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:52,320
the general fund to pay our employees,

2528
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,480
if that's what we have to do, I would

2529
01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:58,639
rather do that. But yeah, as far as I

2530
01:42:58,639 --> 01:43:00,480
realize we're going to have to do a

2531
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:03,040
truth in taxation,

2532
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,840
one thing on the road, and it really is

2533
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,639
you spend it now, you spend it later.

2534
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:10,719
Trimming that kicks the camp down the

2535
01:43:10,719 --> 01:43:13,440
road. Um, for sure. I mean, the roads

2536
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:14,880
aren't going to get better just because

2537
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:18,239
we don't spend it. Um, hopefully if we

2538
01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:21,679
get that impact fee study coming and get

2539
01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:23,679
some more income for the roads, then we

2540
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:25,520
won't have to subsidize it with general

2541
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,080
fund money and can move forward at the

2542
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:29,360
pace we are.

2543
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,000
>> But keep in mind though also impact fees

2544
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,280
have to increase capacity to be spent.

2545
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:37,360
It's not just repairs and maintenance.

2546
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,440
it's increased capacity.

2547
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:40,159
>> Okay?

2548
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:42,880
>> So, keep that in mind that you know you

2549
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:44,560
have to be careful what you spend those

2550
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,560
impact fees. Just because we get more

2551
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:48,400
impact fees doesn't mean we just get to

2552
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,080
spend it willy-nilly. We have to

2553
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,159
increase capacity. But does that mean

2554
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:54,960
that we are spending less of the general

2555
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,920
fund money to increase capacity? Yes.

2556
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,000
So, does that kind of make sense? The

2557
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,119
circle

2558
01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:02,560
>> thought process. Okay.

2559
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,600
>> You just keep the circle going and

2560
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:06,960
legal. [laughter]

2561
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,800
I'm not legal. I'm accountable. This is

2562
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,159
going to sound like we're patting

2563
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:11,920
ourselves on the back and we are a

2564
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:13,679
little bit. But I I just want you to

2565
01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:16,480
understand like last year our asphalt

2566
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:19,840
maintenance contract went out at $1.1

2567
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,360
million. The $300,000 we still have left

2568
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,840
to spend is because of good management

2569
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,000
and managing that contractor and keeping

2570
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:32,239
our cost within the contract lower.

2571
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:34,239
So it does help to have the people that

2572
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:36,320
know what they're doing managing those

2573
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:38,320
big projects and then we can stretch our

2574
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:39,440
dollars further.

2575
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:42,470
>> So

2576
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:44,159
and if we would have just said here you

2577
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,320
go contractor you were a little bit go

2578
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:54,070
do it. We'd have paid 1.1 million. So

2579
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,587
» I'll bring the donuts.

2580
01:44:56,587 --> 01:44:56,960
[laughter]

2581
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,360
>> Well that that you know that's a good

2582
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,280
thing. That's why we have good people

2583
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:05,199
and want to pay them well is that we can

2584
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:07,520
use our expertise to save money like

2585
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:11,350
that.

2586
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:14,709
» Okay.

2587
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:17,280
» So that's highways. We've talked about

2588
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:25,189
parks. Anything in parks?

2589
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:29,189
» Arena.

2590
01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:31,957
You just keep digging up that $100,000.

2591
01:45:31,957 --> 01:45:33,679
[laughter]

2592
01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:35,840
So

2593
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:39,520
parts and I talked to Jared about this

2594
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,840
with this drought.

2595
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:45,760
Jared I heard conflicting reports.

2596
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,000
Somebody's said that we won't use any

2597
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,080
fertilizer. Then I know you told me

2598
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:51,360
probably half of it.

2599
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,320
>> Yeah. There there's a the debate is you

2600
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:55,920
don't want to put the fertilizer unless

2601
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,480
it takes more water. So somewhere in the

2602
01:45:58,480 --> 01:46:01,840
middle of n a full dose is keeping it

2603
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:03,440
healthy enough that it can take the

2604
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:05,840
drought. And so we've talked about some

2605
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,760
different but we definitely won't put on

2606
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:12,070
a full dose of fertilizer.

2607
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:25,189
So we change that number then half

2608
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:27,360
» we have the parks and then the cemetery.

2609
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:38,629
Yeah

2610
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:41,119
» 300

2611
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:45,830
So when we cut both of those in

2612
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:50,390
the price

2613
01:46:50,400 --> 01:47:05,614
we cut that in half

2614
01:47:05,624 --> 01:47:08,070
[laughter]

2615
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,520
from Idaho don't

2616
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,040
I got cows that mow the grass and

2617
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,840
fertilize at the same time just

2618
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,159
talking about the fertilizer under parts

2619
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:30,709
and under cemeteries.

2620
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:34,320
» So maybe go down to 1,800. Does that

2621
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:38,480
sound about right? or the other maybe

2622
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:40,159
2200

2623
01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:43,280
>> on the 4,000

2624
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:46,960
cemetery maybe 1700 or something that

2625
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:54,470
actually makes sense

2626
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:58,709
on

2627
01:47:58,719 --> 01:48:00,080
» what is a pickle ball sprinkler

2628
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:07,669
>> about 750

2629
01:48:07,679 --> 01:48:09,840
Are we still

2630
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:13,600
maybe looking instead of grass?

2631
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,119
>> We haven't priced anything.

2632
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:17,119
>> You want me to?

2633
01:48:17,119 --> 01:48:18,320
>> I'm just curious.

2634
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:19,679
>> How many square feet we need, but we'll

2635
01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:20,159
find out.

2636
01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:22,320
>> We We looked at some pretty extensively

2637
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,600
on a sewer station on the one that we're

2638
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:29,040
thinking about for Smiths and cost was

2639
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:30,960
about six is by the time you turn in

2640
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,280
water, pay the water bill, just

2641
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,760
longevity of it. They told us plan on

2642
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:39,040
replacing in about 10 years. Maybe

2643
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:40,639
>> maybe they've got better

2644
01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:42,719
>> because I guarantee the school district

2645
01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:44,960
is not putting in all these fields for

2646
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:46,480
soccer and football and everything else

2647
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:48,239
and finding a replacement in 10 years.

2648
01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:50,639
They're they're more durable. And how

2649
01:48:50,639 --> 01:48:52,080
many people are going to be walking on

2650
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,080
the grass by the pickle ball courts? You

2651
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,119
know what I'm saying? Now, the

2652
01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:57,360
elementary school up the top 4,800,

2653
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:59,920
theirs gets beat up because there 4,000

2654
01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:01,440
kids out there running around every day

2655
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:04,000
on the artificial turf. It's kind of

2656
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,560
like the soccer fields indoor. They get

2657
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,119
pounded, but they got people playing on

2658
01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:11,679
18 hours a day. Ain't going to be nobody

2659
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:15,040
walking hardly on grass court. So, I

2660
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:16,400
would bet you if we get any kind of

2661
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:18,639
durable grass that it'll last 20 years

2662
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:21,840
unless it breaks down from sunshine. I

2663
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,800
will find out. I will find out.

2664
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,400
That would be good to know because we

2665
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:28,880
want to have it so people can use it. We

2666
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:30,400
don't want it to be,

2667
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,480
>> you know, please don't walk on this

2668
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:34,080
because you're going to wear it out.

2669
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:36,400
>> Yeah. I guess the other thing we want to

2670
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:39,440
look at or I would suggest looking at is

2671
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:41,360
the long-term plan

2672
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,040
>> of what we want around there. If we put

2673
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,760
something there and then in say we get

2674
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:47,920
one last 20 years, but in five years we

2675
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:49,440
say, "Okay, it's time to build the other

2676
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:52,000
brick wall courts and go tear it out."

2677
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,320
We wasted money. Well, but with

2678
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:55,600
artificial turf, if you tear it out, you

2679
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:58,400
can put it somewhere else.

2680
01:49:58,400 --> 01:49:59,760
>> I think

2681
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:03,199
>> it wouldn't hurt to look into

2682
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:06,560
>> the next question is local option

2683
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:10,070
10,000.

2684
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,159
» We we need to do some of that. There's

2685
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:14,320
some of those got some big tracks. I

2686
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:19,030
think we'll have those in our spring.

2687
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:20,480
» I know there are some that need it

2688
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:22,719
pretty bad. Do you think you'll burn 10

2689
01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:24,480
grand?

2690
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:26,719
>> Okay.

2691
01:50:26,719 --> 01:50:28,560
Keep the motorcycles off.

2692
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,280
>> So, I know we went down some with the

2693
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:32,880
park. [cough and clears throat]

2694
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:34,800
Do you think those parties are going to

2695
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,310
be enough?

2696
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,480
» We've kind of got caught up on cleaning

2697
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:42,639
everything up.

2698
01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:44,480
>> So, that stuff over there to haul, but

2699
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:46,080
you know, you've now got separated out

2700
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:47,199
into piles.

2701
01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:49,679
>> Yeah. It don't take much cuz when we

2702
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:51,679
start hauling like 10 wheeler lo the

2703
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:54,719
moldings I mean you're $300 to $500 a

2704
01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:55,840
load. So

2705
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:59,520
>> So what is it? Is it rubbish or is it

2706
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:03,840
okay? It's not grass and dirt.

2707
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:08,390
I got enough people that want

2708
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:12,149
» to put

2709
01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:13,920
the rubbish

2710
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,960
couches people.

2711
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:18,456
>> I didn't know we could do that.

2712
01:51:18,456 --> 01:51:20,950
[laughter]

2713
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:22,880
» Sweet.

2714
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:29,109
>> Where do we put our couches? [laughter]

2715
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:31,119
» Tires, too. Everyone thought it was

2716
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:32,480
going to burn his tires.

2717
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:43,030
>> The little kids are pissed off.

2718
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:46,229
Okay.

2719
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:49,040
» Equipment used,700

2720
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:51,040
last year

2721
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,119
to date. This year we got budgeted

2722
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:54,560
5,000.

2723
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,560
>> I think we wiped that out when we did

2724
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:58,800
the track

2725
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:01,040
took from each department that uses that

2726
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,280
on that mini. I think that'll wipe that

2727
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:15,830
out this year.

2728
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,480
be the tractor,

2729
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:20,480
but we just haven't done that yet. We

2730
01:52:20,480 --> 01:52:24,080
just barely got them this week.

2731
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:26,960
>> Usually comes at the end. That's what's

2732
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:29,840
hard. Some of these don't come till the

2733
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:30,560
end. Yeah.

2734
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:32,159
>> What happened to the good old days when

2735
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:33,920
you just had the local farmer do it?

2736
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:35,599
Huh? [laughter]

2737
01:52:35,599 --> 01:52:37,360
or just those boys in the arena. They

2738
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:38,800
drag the rake, you know, they run

2739
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,080
around.

2740
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:43,430
>> Yeah. [laughter]

2741
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:49,990
» Okay. Community development inspections.

2742
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:53,199
Actually, cut that down a little bit.

2743
01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:55,520
>> Your constituents might call you about

2744
01:52:55,520 --> 01:53:00,560
how fancy we got the same price.

2745
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:05,830
We don't

2746
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:10,080
Okay. Cemetery. We're at 146200.

2747
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:15,430
Um,

2748
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:18,000
» sorry.

2749
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:23,350
>> 10:47.

2750
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,159
» Yeah. Well, we've been postponing it,

2751
01:53:26,159 --> 01:53:28,239
but evidently they're pretty bad. I

2752
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:31,040
guess somebody decided to shingle only

2753
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:32,719
half the building. Last time they

2754
01:53:32,719 --> 01:53:34,320
shingled it.

2755
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,599
city building. It was shingled on one

2756
01:53:37,599 --> 01:53:44,790
side.

2757
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,040
» What about back up just a little

2758
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:50,800
contract services 1046550?

2759
01:53:50,800 --> 01:54:02,070
We still got 51,000

2760
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:03,840
» for building inspector.

2761
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,840
>> It's contract services.

2762
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:08,320
>> That's your building inspectors.

2763
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:11,119
>> But are we planning on

2764
01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:13,840
having 51,000 still in?

2765
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,000
>> Depends how many people want to build.

2766
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:16,639
>> Huh?

2767
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:18,000
>> Depends on how many people want to

2768
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:19,360
build.

2769
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,280
probably.

2770
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:23,440
>> Yeah. That's why my estimate was only

2771
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:26,560
5,500 because, you know, usually spring

2772
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,480
you get people building again.

2773
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:30,239
>> You're not looking the same because this

2774
01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:33,199
one's a 50. This one's 90,000.

2775
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:37,669
>> That was what was budgeted.

2776
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:39,360
» But yeah, I only budgeted.

2777
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:40,719
>> I'm just going back to this.

2778
01:54:40,719 --> 01:54:42,560
>> Okay. Yeah. Sorry.

2779
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:45,520
Seems seemed like didn't we anticipate

2780
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,480
some commercial coming in last year and

2781
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:51,199
we up that

2782
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:52,960
but then it didn't happen. So,

2783
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:54,639
>> but it really wasn't that much higher

2784
01:54:54,639 --> 01:54:56,159
than the previous year either. The

2785
01:54:56,159 --> 01:54:58,080
previous year actual

2786
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,239
>> the same problem at the start of this I

2787
01:55:00,239 --> 01:55:02,800
was looking through the packet and a lot

2788
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:04,159
of the things aren't the same.

2789
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:07,360
>> No. Yeah, I know they aren't. I'm just

2790
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:09,199
>> correlate.

2791
01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:11,040
>> Yeah. Sorry. You got 50 things to look

2792
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,119
at. No, it's okay. [laughter] Realizing

2793
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:14,639
that this is the true source of truth,

2794
01:55:14,639 --> 01:55:14,880
right?

2795
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:15,679
>> Yeah.

2796
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:19,360
>> Well, and the March I tried to take what

2797
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:20,809
she sent you for the March financials

2798
01:55:20,809 --> 01:55:21,360
[clears throat]

2799
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:22,639
and put them right here.

2800
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:23,040
>> Okay.

2801
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,119
>> To try and make it easier.

2802
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:27,119
>> So, that's what I've done. Sorry, when I

2803
01:55:27,119 --> 01:55:29,440
hit that all the way up to the top

2804
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:30,480
again.

2805
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:32,080
>> So, we were saying we're going to pretty

2806
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:33,840
much put a roof on that building this

2807
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:34,800
year.

2808
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:37,040
>> That's what the plan is

2809
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:38,719
>> in the next three months.

2810
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:42,719
>> Well, that's why It was postponed to

2811
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:43,840
this next year.

2812
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:44,400
>> Okay.

2813
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:45,920
>> We're saying we're probably not going to

2814
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:49,840
get it done, so let's put it over there.

2815
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:51,679
>> Jared didn't think he had the manpower

2816
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:53,440
to do it.

2817
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:55,599
>> But you could do it with your arm.

2818
01:55:55,599 --> 01:55:58,145
>> I could actually

2819
01:55:58,145 --> 01:56:02,080
[laughter] broke my arm. 16 penny nails.

2820
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,080
>> I don't doubt it. [laughter]

2821
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:05,440
>> I don't think you can.

2822
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:08,400
>> No. Prove me wrong.

2823
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:10,590
Did you walk all that sewer line?

2824
01:56:10,590 --> 01:56:12,080
[laughter]

2825
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:14,639
>> All cemetery expenses, but like truck

2826
01:56:14,639 --> 01:56:16,080
maintenance and trailer maintenance and

2827
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:18,800
all that

2828
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:23,030
about 1070.

2829
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:24,960
» What do you want to put in there?

2830
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:28,870
>> Like

2831
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:34,470
that coming up a lot lately.

2832
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:36,320
» So we might have to tear off.

2833
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:40,159
>> Yeah. I'm sure

2834
01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:42,159
that

2835
01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:47,669
>> we're going to break things out more.

2836
01:56:47,679 --> 01:56:49,280
» I think so. We're all just dying

2837
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:49,920
together.

2838
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,159
>> So, is this where we talk about the

2839
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,629
fees? [laughter]

2840
01:56:54,639 --> 01:56:55,760
» We can do it when we go through the

2841
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:57,040
feast schedule.

2842
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:58,320
>> We were going to do it during feast

2843
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,370
schedule.

2844
01:57:00,370 --> 01:57:00,480
[clears throat]

2845
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:01,599
>> Like, I want

2846
01:57:01,599 --> 01:57:04,159
>> He's excited.

2847
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:05,440
You don't want to miss it.

2848
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:07,440
>> Just give me some of these.

2849
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:08,639
>> Thank you.

2850
01:57:08,639 --> 01:57:11,840
>> Um, okay. So,

2851
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:15,040
>> we've typically transferred some things

2852
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:17,679
over to some money over to the capital

2853
01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:19,679
projects fund.

2854
01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:22,320
>> I'm sorry. What was that?

2855
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:24,719
>> You're fine. Um, so we've typically

2856
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:27,360
transferred funds over from the general

2857
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:29,360
fund to the capital projects fund. If

2858
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:30,639
you remember from the training, the

2859
01:57:30,639 --> 01:57:32,800
capital projects fund is kind of for the

2860
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:34,639
big items.

2861
01:57:34,639 --> 01:57:37,920
>> So I think it only makes sense that at

2862
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:39,679
this moment we go over to the capital

2863
01:57:39,679 --> 01:57:41,840
projects funds, see what we need as far

2864
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,320
as funds there and then we may need to

2865
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,400
adjust that number a little bit. As of

2866
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:48,719
right now, I see Ryan's I Will's

2867
01:57:48,719 --> 01:57:49,760
attorney.

2868
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,239
>> Can you stay on that page? Just

2869
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:58,790
>> Yeah. Last year we moved over $935,000,

2870
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,639
right?

2871
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:05,520
>> This year we're projecting to move over

2872
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,639
>> and then this next year.

2873
01:58:08,639 --> 01:58:09,679
>> Yeah.

2874
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:14,149
instead of doing TNT

2875
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:17,280
that money contract

2876
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:19,920
>> could but let's go through the capital

2877
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:22,080
projects because that's where the

2878
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:24,159
capital projects gets the money.

2879
01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:26,080
>> So can I ask a question since we're

2880
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:26,800
going into that?

2881
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,320
>> Uhhuh.

2882
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:29,760
One of my biggest kind of outstanding

2883
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,440
questions is on these capital projects

2884
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:34,000
because we have a lot of them and this I

2885
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:35,280
know we have wish lists and all that

2886
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:38,480
stuff, but I'm just wondering like

2887
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:40,080
is it possible for us to go okay here's

2888
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:41,440
our top five and we're committed to

2889
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:42,800
getting these done by this period of

2890
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:44,719
time and the rest of these we're going

2891
01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:45,840
to

2892
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:47,119
>> you know we're just sending money you

2893
01:58:47,119 --> 01:58:47,920
know what I mean

2894
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:50,480
>> and we want to do these are nice to have

2895
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:56,400
type thing. Okay. So, under tab

2896
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,320
10

2897
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:01,360
is the capital projects long-term

2898
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:04,639
project plan. And correct me if this is

2899
01:59:04,639 --> 01:59:07,520
not what you're thinking, but this is a

2900
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:10,000
five-year plan

2901
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:13,679
um for our capital projects. And the

2902
01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:17,360
thought process being that we want to

2903
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:20,560
kind of say, okay, what expenses are we

2904
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:22,560
looking for the next five years and plan

2905
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:26,080
that out for the next five years. Um, so

2906
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,320
basically, what's your wish list and

2907
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:30,000
let's plan for it for the next five

2908
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:33,280
years instead of getting it all at once.

2909
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:37,920
Um the bleachers on those we have,

2910
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:41,679
you'll notice in the notes area, we have

2911
01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:44,880
120 for grant. Um and then we were also

2912
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:47,119
going to use impact fees for that. So we

2913
01:59:47,119 --> 01:59:48,800
don't really have to come up with extra

2914
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:50,880
funds for that because we've got the

2915
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:51,599
grant.

2916
01:59:51,599 --> 01:59:53,440
>> What was the TNT checklist supposed to

2917
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:54,560
be?

2918
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:57,760
>> The TNT is correct checklist. Oh,

2919
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:00,800
>> see how on your line item

2920
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,040
>> Thank you. That was that one that I need

2921
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:10,310
to fix on everything.

2922
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:13,920
» Where can I find that easily? Sorry.

2923
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:15,840
>> Oh, that makes me so mad that it did it,

2924
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:18,239
you guys. I was like, are you kidding

2925
02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:21,030
me? [laughter]

2926
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:24,000
Okay, let's

2927
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,119
parking lot.

2928
02:00:25,119 --> 02:00:27,119
>> Oh, yep. You got it. Pickle ball parking

2929
02:00:27,119 --> 02:00:27,440
lot.

2930
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:29,040
>> Good job, Larry.

2931
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:40,950
>> Larry's on it.

2932
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:43,073
Can you change your

2933
02:00:43,073 --> 02:00:51,589
[laughter]

2934
02:00:51,599 --> 02:00:55,508
tomorrow.

2935
02:00:55,518 --> 02:01:00,709
[laughter]

2936
02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:04,960
» Okay. So, um we have budgeted for a

2937
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:08,400
diamond sea gooseeneck tilt trailer for

2938
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:11,040
27,000.

2939
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:14,880
Uh the bleachers we talked about,

2940
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:18,550
>> the ADA funding, [clears throat]

2941
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:21,760
um baseball lights.

2942
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:23,840
>> ADA. That's the sidewalk, right?

2943
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:24,480
>> Yeah.

2944
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:25,440
>> In the park.

2945
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:27,679
>> Yep.

2946
02:01:27,679 --> 02:01:34,870
I guess I should maybe say ADA sidewalk.

2947
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:37,910
Um

2948
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:41,679
then the baseball lights.

2949
02:01:41,679 --> 02:01:46,480
Um looks like we got 26,000 to offset

2950
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:49,840
that. So it's kind of half.

2951
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:53,679
Um pickle ball sprinklers.

2952
02:01:53,679 --> 02:01:55,679
We've got that

2953
02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:58,950
offset.

2954
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:03,030
» So is this current year projects?

2955
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:05,920
Are we have we completed these?

2956
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:07,679
>> Have we started any of the

2957
02:02:07,679 --> 02:02:10,560
>> current year projects? Um Jared, have we

2958
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:12,560
got the zeroturn mower?

2959
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:13,599
>> Not yet. They're

2960
02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:15,199
>> okay. But

2961
02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:16,000
>> okay.

2962
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:17,394
>> I'm just wondering like and when

2963
02:02:17,394 --> 02:02:18,560
[clears throat] we say current year

2964
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:20,000
fiscal year, so we got three months to

2965
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:21,280
do all of this

2966
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:23,040
>> reality. Will we have all this done in

2967
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:24,080
three months?

2968
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:25,840
>> Jared, [laughter]

2969
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:28,719
>> is easy. I mean

2970
02:02:28,719 --> 02:02:30,960
>> power upgrade. Hasn't that been done? I

2971
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,360
thought that was completed. Yeah, I

2972
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:34,480
thought so.

2973
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:35,840
>> The bleachers,

2974
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:40,310
>> we got that postponed.

2975
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:42,239
» Yeah, they're ordered, but the company

2976
02:02:42,239 --> 02:02:45,199
that makes them was out like 14 months.

2977
02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:48,639
So, we won't do that until next year.

2978
02:02:48,639 --> 02:02:50,480
>> So, that's why it's grayed out there.

2979
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:51,920
>> Okay. So, that's move to next year.

2980
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:53,440
>> Yeah, we moved it to the next year.

2981
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:54,480
>> And the same with the pickle ball

2982
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:56,159
sprinkler.

2983
02:02:56,159 --> 02:02:58,000
We haven't done because of the drought

2984
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:01,199
mainly. Um the pickle ball parking lot

2985
02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:04,000
is they're going to seal it tomorrow and

2986
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:05,840
it's basically done other than the

2987
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:07,599
landscape and the street lights.

2988
02:03:07,599 --> 02:03:09,119
>> And is it that is it going to come in at

2989
02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:09,840
that cost?

2990
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:10,880
>> No,

2991
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:19,270
>> it's going to be less.

2992
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:21,199
I'm just kidding. [laughter]

2993
02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:22,560
>> Dang it.

2994
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:24,480
>> I was told that it was approved toward

2995
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:28,229
the contract. [laughter]

2996
02:03:28,239 --> 02:03:33,360
pick up parking is like 101, wasn't it?

2997
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:35,599
>> I could go get my contract.

2998
02:03:35,599 --> 02:03:37,040
>> I'd be interested knowing if it's coming

2999
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:39,760
in at 40,000 above

3000
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,840
what we have budgeted. That's important

3001
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:43,440
to know.

3002
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:45,360
and see how much we had because the

3003
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:48,320
grant pretty much paid for the parking

3004
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:49,280
lot.

3005
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:51,760
>> All right.

3006
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:53,920
>> But so the pickle ball sprinklers is

3007
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:56,000
that anticipating putting in grass

3008
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:58,320
because then we put in the turf.

3009
02:03:58,320 --> 02:04:00,159
>> We don't have to put sprinklers,

3010
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:01,599
>> but [clears throat] we got a grant for

3011
02:04:01,599 --> 02:04:04,400
those. So I don't know if the grant will

3012
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:08,960
flow over to We'd have to look.

3013
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:11,920
>> But I don't know. Sherry, you you tell

3014
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:15,679
me is the 15,000 included in the did we

3015
02:04:15,679 --> 02:04:19,599
do it as one project with them with

3016
02:04:19,599 --> 02:04:20,159
a whole

3017
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:22,080
>> if we did it with one project and if we

3018
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:24,719
ended up doing something because of

3019
02:04:24,719 --> 02:04:27,280
we're doing something more waterwise

3020
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:28,960
they would still be all right with that.

3021
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:30,480
It's all within the same

3022
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:33,760
>> is it? Okay.

3023
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:35,520
>> Because I know

3024
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:40,709
>> public works.

3025
02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:42,239
» Fencing and gates. That's our yard where

3026
02:04:42,239 --> 02:04:44,080
we store stuff.

3027
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:47,589
>> Yeah.

3028
02:04:47,599 --> 02:04:55,270
» Not in years, right?

3029
02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:58,390
with

3030
02:04:58,400 --> 02:04:59,440
» it's in 26.

3031
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:09,270
>> It was 59718 that we received.

3032
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:14,070
Oh, so in addition to the 64

3033
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:16,639
» I don't know what the came in at. Like I

3034
02:05:16,639 --> 02:05:19,040
said

3035
02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:22,080
was ours.

3036
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:24,159
>> Okay, we'll get with I'll get with you

3037
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:26,239
when we do the amendment so we can get

3038
02:05:26,239 --> 02:05:27,040
that closer.

3039
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:34,709
>> It's done. And just we need the water.

3040
02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:35,440
» Okay.

3041
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:38,239
>> So now we're the fencing and the gates

3042
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:39,520
for the yard. That'll be done. That'll

3043
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:41,040
be on. No, he doesn't. We don't have to

3044
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:41,520
move it.

3045
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:42,639
>> We don't have to move it. You think it's

3046
02:05:42,639 --> 02:05:43,360
going to be done?

3047
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:44,560
>> So, that that could be a green.

3048
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:46,159
>> Okay. I misunderstood that. Okay.

3049
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:47,760
>> And then the the sprinklers are done.

3050
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:49,199
They're just need the water to put in

3051
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:52,960
them in the cemetery down there further.

3052
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:53,920
>> Yeah.

3053
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:55,199
>> So, that's great. So, it looks like most

3054
02:05:55,199 --> 02:05:57,520
of our capital projects are on pace or

3055
02:05:57,520 --> 02:05:58,880
done for this year.

3056
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:00,960
>> So, now we're deciding on

3057
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:04,629
>> next.

3058
02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:07,119
Good job.

3059
02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:12,470
Don't leave them hanging. [laughter]

3060
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:15,119
» And so we have grants for uh the

3061
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:17,840
bleachers

3062
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:20,239
>> and any other grants for any of those

3063
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:21,040
items.

3064
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:22,800
>> The ADA sidewalk funding the

3065
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:27,350
>> baseball.

3066
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:29,679
What was the And then the lights

3067
02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:31,040
>> baseball lights

3068
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:34,079
>> are are those two amounts the grant

3069
02:06:34,079 --> 02:06:35,280
amount

3070
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:36,639
>> and then there's the pickle ball

3071
02:06:36,639 --> 02:06:38,239
sprinklers that were whipping back.

3072
02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:41,280
That's a grant also.

3073
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:42,719
>> Yes.

3074
02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:45,360
>> And

3075
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:50,950
the additions

3076
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:52,880
» that's not a

3077
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:54,239
truck bed.

3078
02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:57,440
>> That's not a

3079
02:06:57,440 --> 02:06:59,599
for the irrigation line for the cemetery

3080
02:06:59,599 --> 02:07:01,040
is not a grant either.

3081
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:01,840
>> Yeah.

3082
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:04,159
>> So if we have this budgeted and we have

3083
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:05,760
the money allocated but then we get a

3084
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:07,760
grant, do we save that money and we just

3085
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:09,360
move it over? Is that the thought? Yeah,

3086
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:13,280
it goes into fund balance and the state

3087
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:16,719
say that you know we so we can spend

3088
02:07:16,719 --> 02:07:19,679
fund balance but keep in mind that fund

3089
02:07:19,679 --> 02:07:22,079
balance if you spend it you kind of want

3090
02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:24,400
to spend it on a one time thing not

3091
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:25,920
something that's going to keep billing

3092
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:26,960
every year. So

3093
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:28,880
>> so are we able to get a picture of fund

3094
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:30,960
balance uh to date or anything is that

3095
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:32,400
somewhere

3096
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:33,840
>> so in your

3097
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:35,280
>> just so happens

3098
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:37,920
>> general fund. Yeah. In fact, here, let

3099
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:40,880
me just pull this up because it's I just

3100
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:44,079
want to show you in your packets that

3101
02:07:44,079 --> 02:07:45,840
it's there.

3102
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:47,520
>> Um,

3103
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:49,520
>> okay. So, it's not going to be in those

3104
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:52,000
packets. It's in the one that um I

3105
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,400
provide on a monthly basis.

3106
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:56,800
>> So, let me figure out how to share this

3107
02:07:56,800 --> 02:07:58,639
real quick.

3108
02:07:58,639 --> 02:08:00,480
>> Different screen. Morgan, you might have

3109
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:03,280
to

3110
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:05,360
>> Oh, right here.

3111
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:08,320
So, I'm going to share this other screen

3112
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:10,800
right there. Okay. So, monthly you get

3113
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:12,639
your financial statements and of course

3114
02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:14,800
you're familiar with all the little

3115
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:17,760
stories I give you. Try and give you

3116
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:20,239
just a quick glance if you glance at it.

3117
02:08:20,239 --> 02:08:22,480
And then my legal claimer that I think

3118
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:25,360
is put in there. Then you have all the

3119
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:37,280
financials. And then right here, Um, okay. So, I track what I

3120
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:41,280
estimate what the um balance is going to

3121
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:42,960
be on your fund balance at the end of

3122
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:43,760
the year. [clears throat]

3123
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,239
State law requires us to stay within 15

3124
02:08:46,239 --> 02:08:48,159
to 35%

3125
02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:50,399
of unrestricted. Right now, we're at 19%

3126
02:08:50,399 --> 02:08:51,440
[clears throat]

3127
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:53,199
within the general fund.

3128
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:53,920
>> Okay.

3129
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:54,400
>> Um

3130
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:56,480
>> so that's on 19% surplus.

3131
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:56,800
>> Yeah.

3132
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:58,719
>> From what our capital projects budgeting

3133
02:08:58,719 --> 02:08:59,199
is.

3134
02:08:59,199 --> 02:09:00,560
>> Well, but then you've got capital

3135
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:01,840
projects which is a little bit

3136
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:02,719
different. [clears throat and cough]

3137
02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:04,719
Um, just real quick, you'll see the

3138
02:09:04,719 --> 02:09:07,440
restricted funds all kind of listed out

3139
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:09,440
here,

3140
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:11,040
but

3141
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:14,709
>> let's Sorry. [laughter]

3142
02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:18,880
But as far as the general fund, it's

3143
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:23,794
right here.

3144
02:09:23,804 --> 02:09:24,880
[cough and clears throat]

3145
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:28,880
We have um 4.8,

3146
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:32,719
But $150 of that is restricted for your

3147
02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:36,239
impact fees. So you have about a $4

3148
02:09:36,239 --> 02:09:38,800
million fund balance in capital

3149
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:42,719
projects. Yes, you could use that money.

3150
02:09:42,719 --> 02:09:45,679
Nothing's saying you can't, but keep in

3151
02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:46,880
mind that, you know,

3152
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:48,079
>> so we could use that to pay for the

3153
02:09:48,079 --> 02:09:51,119
sheriff instead of raising tax.

3154
02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:52,960
>> Yeah. But eventually it'll run out.

3155
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:54,239
Eventually you'll have to find

3156
02:09:54,239 --> 02:09:56,000
additional funding source to pay for

3157
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:56,480
ship.

3158
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:58,960
>> Sure. Like I said, this is it's better

3159
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,199
to spend this money, the fund balance.

3160
02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:03,280
Anytime you spend fund balance, it is

3161
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:06,560
better to spend it on one time things

3162
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:09,920
>> instead of a continuing month every year

3163
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:11,679
that you're going to have to absorb. But

3164
02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:13,040
that is your decision.

3165
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:14,880
>> Larry, what type of one time fee would

3166
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:18,000
you accept to be sheriff?

3167
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:21,445
>> Well, you'll

3168
02:10:21,445 --> 02:10:23,199
[laughter]

3169
02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:29,950
give you two bullets.

3170
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:31,679
» [laughter]

3171
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:35,840
>> I think it should be more

3172
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:39,360
contract 100,000 drop those numbers

3173
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:41,440
right

3174
02:10:41,440 --> 02:10:45,040
should be half million

3175
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:46,639
>> we're getting hit with something I fill

3176
02:10:46,639 --> 02:10:48,480
this in with what I hear you saying what

3177
02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:51,360
I think I think about that is if we have

3178
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:53,520
a major I mean we I feel like we should

3179
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:55,840
be able to find 100,000

3180
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:58,320
somehow whether it's a onetime fee we

3181
02:10:58,320 --> 02:11:00,400
can spend some I don't know I just feel

3182
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,239
like

3183
02:11:02,239 --> 02:11:04,880
to do a truth in taxation for all the

3184
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:06,239
headaches it's going to cause the big

3185
02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:08,239
thing people are going to see mentally

3186
02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:09,599
>> for 100

3187
02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:12,159
>> no I mean there's just so much

3188
02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:13,599
disruption to that even though it's a

3189
02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:16,800
reality of the world we live in I just

3190
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:18,639
feel like like you said it's such a

3191
02:11:18,639 --> 02:11:19,920
small thing to go through that headache

3192
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:21,360
especially we might never have to go

3193
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:22,320
through it again

3194
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:23,920
>> and maybe next year when it goes up

3195
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:27,199
again we do for the last two years for

3196
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:29,920
250,000 or more whatever it is.

3197
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:34,159
>> So my thought that too is um moneywise

3198
02:11:34,159 --> 02:11:36,639
it's not going up that much percentwise

3199
02:11:36,639 --> 02:11:38,480
it is shocking.

3200
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:42,000
>> So even to get us $100,000 we have to go

3201
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:43,920
up 48%.

3202
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:46,719
>> So to tell our residents but our

3203
02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:49,440
residents won't they won't take that

3204
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:51,119
percentage

3205
02:11:51,119 --> 02:11:53,040
>> the tax

3206
02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:55,920
notice is going to say

3207
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:58,639
They have the percent.

3208
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:01,360
>> You have to. So, so that's my concern.

3209
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:03,520
If we don't do it this year and next

3210
02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:05,840
year we do it to catch up, we are at

3211
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:07,679
100%.

3212
02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:09,920
Which told me last year when they did

3213
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:12,480
theirs it was 100%. But they also were

3214
02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:16,560
only paying that same kind of lapse 100.

3215
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:19,920
So I was thinking even 48% sounded

3216
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:22,320
shocking. But if we tell our residents

3217
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:25,840
that's going to be 48, I sometime I feel

3218
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:28,320
like we're going to have to do one. I

3219
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:30,079
would sooner have it be for less than

3220
02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:32,480
next year have it be twice as much. But

3221
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:35,760
>> so how much does the TNT checklist cost

3222
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:37,119
us?

3223
02:12:37,119 --> 02:12:39,520
>> So is that a real dollar?

3224
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:43,440
>> Well, I mean pretty much the county has

3225
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:47,040
to put it in the notice. Like the bare

3226
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:50,000
minimum would just basically be putting

3227
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:53,280
it county notice and then that you've

3228
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:55,119
already got Morgan spending a lot of the

3229
02:12:55,119 --> 02:12:58,239
time. A lot of the work is her and then

3230
02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:00,612
Sherry does a lot of it. I very

3231
02:13:00,612 --> 02:13:02,960
[clears throat] minimal honestly.

3232
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:05,840
>> So my time is very minimal.

3233
02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:09,119
>> Sher and Ray may have to help me because

3234
02:13:09,119 --> 02:13:11,760
they kind of got me

3235
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:14,079
they made it sound like a truth in

3236
02:13:14,079 --> 02:13:15,679
taxation

3237
02:13:15,679 --> 02:13:20,639
every year was a great thing and the

3238
02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:23,360
residents really aren't paying anymore

3239
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:25,599
because the percentages

3240
02:13:25,599 --> 02:13:29,119
>> go from 15% to 82%

3241
02:13:29,119 --> 02:13:32,159
if you keep doing it. Do you know how

3242
02:13:32,159 --> 02:13:34,079
that works? And I don't know if you can

3243
02:13:34,079 --> 02:13:35,920
explain it because I think

3244
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:38,560
>> I I hear what Ryan is saying, but from

3245
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:42,000
what I listen to this lady down there,

3246
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:44,800
>> uh I feel different than you guys. I

3247
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:47,440
think we need to do it and then the

3248
02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:50,719
percentages go down. residence even

3249
02:13:50,719 --> 02:13:53,119
though the rate goes up and I don't get

3250
02:13:53,119 --> 02:13:54,000
it but

3251
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:58,079
>> so how it works is you have to set new

3252
02:13:58,079 --> 02:14:00,560
growth aside okay so you take new growth

3253
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:03,360
put it in its own bucket okay but if you

3254
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:06,079
just look at your property taxes and

3255
02:14:06,079 --> 02:14:07,920
I'll just use simple figures because

3256
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:09,199
that's how my brain works

3257
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:10,960
>> that's what they do for us though

3258
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:13,360
>> is it okay and maybe they explained it

3259
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:14,800
better than I do I don't know this is

3260
02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:16,400
how I've always explained it seems to

3261
02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:20,719
work but um anyway Anyways, when you

3262
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:25,199
take say you collected or you assessed a

3263
02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:28,880
h 100,000 this year, okay, but you're

3264
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:31,040
not going to collect that 100,000.

3265
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:33,280
You're going to have people that you

3266
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:35,840
know file for abatement, various things,

3267
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:37,920
okay? So, you're not going to get that

3268
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:41,599
100,000. And when you ask for the tax

3269
02:14:41,599 --> 02:14:44,880
rate, you ask for x amount of money.

3270
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:46,800
Okay? You say, [clears throat] "I need a

3271
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:48,960
h 100,000 to operate this city." You

3272
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:50,639
don't say, "I need this percentage." You

3273
02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:52,960
say, "I need a h 100,000." Okay? But

3274
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:54,239
you're not going to get that full

3275
02:14:54,239 --> 02:14:58,239
100,000. You might collect 95,000. Okay?

3276
02:14:58,239 --> 02:15:01,599
Well, what they do is if you do not do

3277
02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:03,760
truth and taxation,

3278
02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:05,920
the next year they say, "You survived

3279
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:08,960
off of 95,000. Guess what? We're going

3280
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:11,760
to set your rate at 95,000." So, you

3281
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,159
collect 95,000. Again, you're not going

3282
02:15:14,159 --> 02:15:15,679
to collect that 95,000.

3283
02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:16,880
>> So, it goes down every year.

3284
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:19,520
>> So, every year it goes down if you do

3285
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,480
not do truth and taxation. If you do

3286
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:26,880
truth and taxation just to maintain,

3287
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:28,960
if you want to just maintain your

3288
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:31,520
number, not increase, you actually have

3289
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:34,719
to do truth and taxation to maintain.

3290
02:15:34,719 --> 02:15:36,639
Now, you've got your new growth. That's

3291
02:15:36,639 --> 02:15:39,119
a whole another, you know, category. But

3292
02:15:39,119 --> 02:15:41,280
your new growth, the tax revenue from

3293
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:43,280
that should pay for the treats that

3294
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:45,679
you've got to fix for them or the

3295
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:47,679
services you've got to fix for them

3296
02:15:47,679 --> 02:15:50,000
because you just increased your growth.

3297
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:52,639
So the thought process being is, you

3298
02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:55,679
know, even if we go to the county and we

3299
02:15:55,679 --> 02:15:58,159
say we were doing truth and taxation, we

3300
02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:00,079
are not going to go to them and say we

3301
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:02,880
need a 48% increase, we're going to go

3302
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:06,159
to them and say we need $428,000

3303
02:16:06,159 --> 02:16:08,880
of property taxes.

3304
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:11,280
They will tell us what the rate is. They

3305
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:13,760
will tell us what we get. They don't

3306
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:16,800
tell us what percentage. So to even

3307
02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:20,719
maintain, you have to keep doing truth

3308
02:16:20,719 --> 02:16:23,280
and taxation every year. So

3309
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:24,400
>> nobody does that.

3310
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:25,920
>> No. Well, there's a few

3311
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:26,719
>> quite a few.

3312
02:16:26,719 --> 02:16:28,400
>> There's actually a few and more are

3313
02:16:28,400 --> 02:16:32,000
catching on because they're realizing

3314
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:33,760
>> this is what you have to do.

3315
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:36,080
>> So as far as expenses, right, because I

3316
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:37,599
thought of this too. So, we had this

3317
02:16:37,599 --> 02:16:39,760
Carrie Nakamur that was down there that

3318
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:42,399
did this really good presentation

3319
02:16:42,399 --> 02:16:45,200
that I contacted her because after we've

3320
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:46,639
been down there, we said, "What would

3321
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:48,240
she charge us to come and do?" Because

3322
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:50,080
she suggested a town hall. We talked

3323
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:52,639
about that before. She would charge

3324
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:56,399
$1,000 to come and do a town hall. We

3325
02:16:56,399 --> 02:16:58,240
advertise it really well. Not that

3326
02:16:58,240 --> 02:16:59,599
everybody's going to come, but have

3327
02:16:59,599 --> 02:17:01,760
people come. So, there would be that

3328
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:03,760
expense. It could be a little bit, maybe

3329
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:06,319
a couple hundred more.

3330
02:17:06,319 --> 02:17:08,479
specifically to it some city numbers

3331
02:17:08,479 --> 02:17:10,479
which we probably would. The other thing

3332
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:13,439
would be then we print off flyers and

3333
02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:16,080
the county will mail those out for us.

3334
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:17,120
And the other things we have to do we

3335
02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:20,080
have to update our website. Um but but

3336
02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:22,080
most of like the rest of it really

3337
02:17:22,080 --> 02:17:25,200
aren't hard costs.

3338
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:26,559
So

3339
02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:28,160
>> So who's this lady?

3340
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:30,880
>> Her name is Carrie Nakamura and she

3341
02:17:30,880 --> 02:17:32,479
>> she has a consulting firm. She has a

3342
02:17:32,479 --> 02:17:34,160
consulting firm and she was one that

3343
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:38,319
actually worked with the tax company

3344
02:17:38,319 --> 02:17:40,160
>> and she explains stuff that if we

3345
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:41,840
explain it to our residents they will

3346
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:42,960
think we're full of crap.

3347
02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:44,319
>> How many do you think will actually show

3348
02:17:44,319 --> 02:17:45,760
up or something like that

3349
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:47,760
>> if they know that they're going to have

3350
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:49,439
a tax increase?

3351
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:51,920
>> I guarantee

3352
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:53,599
>> you're going to have this building pool.

3353
02:17:53,599 --> 02:17:57,830
I almost guarant.

3354
02:17:57,840 --> 02:17:59,679
But that's better than none. And like we

3355
02:17:59,679 --> 02:18:01,120
talked about if it's us trying to

3356
02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:02,960
explain it to them.

3357
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:04,960
>> They're not. And even said, if it's even

3358
02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:06,559
her explaining it, but maybe if it's

3359
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:09,040
this neutral person who worked with the

3360
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:11,200
tax

3361
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:13,120
was with the state auditor with the tax

3362
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:14,319
commission.

3363
02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:15,599
>> I don't I don't know.

3364
02:18:15,599 --> 02:18:17,439
>> I feel strongly enough and I don't know

3365
02:18:17,439 --> 02:18:20,160
if he'll agree with me or not, but I

3366
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:22,160
think Larry and I would split the cost

3367
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:25,359
of having a to have her here because we

3368
02:18:25,359 --> 02:18:28,000
need her here to explain this stuff.

3369
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:29,679
>> We do.

3370
02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:31,200
>> Yeah. I think it's helpful to have an

3371
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:32,639
expert, but I also think that people

3372
02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:35,120
want to hear from the people they

3373
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:36,880
>> like I mean hearing it from a third

3374
02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:38,559
party is nice to hear a third party, but

3375
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:39,599
also

3376
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:41,359
>> if I'm if I'm a citizen, I'm going to

3377
02:18:41,359 --> 02:18:43,120
look at my representative in the face

3378
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:44,479
and say, "Why are you increasing my

3379
02:18:44,479 --> 02:18:46,399
taxes? Why do you think that it's

3380
02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:49,040
important to do it?" And as a citizen

3381
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:51,040
though, if you look at me and you say

3382
02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,040
it's because of police services and if

3383
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:54,800
you're struggling with that, might I

3384
02:18:54,800 --> 02:18:56,399
recommend you go talk to the Weieber

3385
02:18:56,399 --> 02:18:58,399
County Sheriff. Guess what? I'm over at

3386
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:01,840
the Weaver County Sheriff talking

3387
02:19:01,840 --> 02:19:05,679
why we have to raise the taxes.

3388
02:19:05,679 --> 02:19:09,359
>> I can't explain the way that this lady

3389
02:19:09,359 --> 02:19:12,559
showed how the county

3390
02:19:12,559 --> 02:19:16,000
does their accounting because uh

3391
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:19,359
>> uh it was jumping uh all these numbers

3392
02:19:19,359 --> 02:19:21,280
was jumping around and she was showing

3393
02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:24,880
that really the taxes don't go up. Uh

3394
02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:26,479
>> well, it's like if the property value of

3395
02:19:26,479 --> 02:19:28,080
your property goes up, people are always

3396
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:29,840
griping because my property value went

3397
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:31,679
up, so I'm paying more taxes. But you

3398
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:34,160
don't because the actual tax rate goes

3399
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:36,800
down. So if you're paying $1,000 a year

3400
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:39,760
in taxes and your your principal goes

3401
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:41,280
up, so you're paying $1,100, then your

3402
02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:44,399
tax rate goes down. And she when she

3403
02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:45,679
started she said you're going to argue

3404
02:19:45,679 --> 02:19:49,760
with me about this but this is a

3405
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:52,160
vice versa. I think our tax rates went

3406
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:54,000
down the [cough]

3407
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:55,840
but our house is now worth a million

3408
02:19:55,840 --> 02:20:00,960
dollars instead of 500,000. So our

3409
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:02,319
explaining I just thought

3410
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:03,439
>> it was amazing.

3411
02:20:03,439 --> 02:20:06,000
>> I I could never

3412
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:08,399
maybe Cammy could but I could

3413
02:20:08,399 --> 02:20:09,120
>> well even

3414
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:11,120
>> but I wish I would have been there.

3415
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,040
>> Yeah, we can do that. I think that's a

3416
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:14,880
good point. Explain that.

3417
02:20:14,880 --> 02:20:17,040
>> So we currently collect Sorry. Go ahead.

3418
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:17,760
>> Go ahead.

3419
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:20,160
>> We currently collect almost $300,000 in

3420
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:22,399
property taxes, right?

3421
02:20:22,399 --> 02:20:26,560
>> If we add $100,000 to that $400,000,

3422
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:36,710
that's only an additional $32 a year per

3423
02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:39,120
30 bucks is nothing, right? Yeah.

3424
02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:40,479
>> So,

3425
02:20:40,479 --> 02:20:41,840
>> well, I will tell you one of the things

3426
02:20:41,840 --> 02:20:43,920
that we did with when we were down with

3427
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:45,600
stuff in League of Cities and we got it

3428
02:20:45,600 --> 02:20:47,439
shut down in the legislature. The

3429
02:20:47,439 --> 02:20:49,600
legislature was trying to limit the

3430
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:51,680
amount we could increase property taxes

3431
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:53,600
down to 5%.

3432
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:54,399
>> No way.

3433
02:20:54,399 --> 02:20:56,479
>> It would do us no good.

3434
02:20:56,479 --> 02:20:59,200
>> Well, that's here's an interesting table

3435
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:02,479
I'm sharing now.

3436
02:21:02,479 --> 02:21:04,800
Here's the year. Here's our rates.

3437
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:07,920
Here's our revenue uh population and

3438
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:10,399
cost per person

3439
02:21:10,399 --> 02:21:14,160
>> from back to 2003.

3440
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:14,800
>> Yeah.

3441
02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:17,600
So, our cost per person is not

3442
02:21:17,600 --> 02:21:19,439
>> that's one thing that worries me if and

3443
02:21:19,439 --> 02:21:21,840
they said it will come back next year

3444
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:23,920
>> whether they get it to limit to five and

3445
02:21:23,920 --> 02:21:26,000
I thought if we don't somewhat get a

3446
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:28,000
little bit caught up and they start

3447
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:30,240
limiting it to five

3448
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:34,240
>> and people are paying more

3449
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:35,920
in trouble. That's not even 10 months a

3450
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:38,399
year.

3451
02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:40,560
>> It's because we're starting so lowact.

3452
02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:44,160
You start talking percentages like for

3453
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:45,280
this much.

3454
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:46,720
>> Yeah.

3455
02:21:46,720 --> 02:21:48,640
>> Great.

3456
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:50,800
>> That's exactly that's just the same

3457
02:21:50,800 --> 02:21:52,000
thing. I thought the ones that are

3458
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:53,760
already caught up, they're fine. But and

3459
02:21:53,760 --> 02:21:55,439
one thing that we're required to do this

3460
02:21:55,439 --> 02:21:56,560
year because they passed a lot of

3461
02:21:56,560 --> 02:21:58,880
transparency laws is we have to have

3462
02:21:58,880 --> 02:22:01,520
this um statement that we have on there

3463
02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:04,800
that's a schedule that actually will

3464
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:07,359
city, you know, the truth and taxation.

3465
02:22:07,359 --> 02:22:09,359
It's $100,000

3466
02:22:09,359 --> 02:22:12,399
for shared. I mean, it has to be so

3467
02:22:12,399 --> 02:22:15,040
specific, so transparent. I thought so,

3468
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:15,600
too.

3469
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:16,160
>> Yeah.

3470
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:18,319
>> And they and they, you know, we have

3471
02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:20,720
that they send us all the slides that we

3472
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:23,520
have. So, no, back to the question. I

3473
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:25,680
think our main cost would be that and I

3474
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:27,120
think it would be a good idea to to have

3475
02:22:27,120 --> 02:22:32,160
her come give those generals and then we can print our own flyer,

3476
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:33,680
send them to the county and they'll mail

3477
02:22:33,680 --> 02:22:36,160
them out with their notice. They told us

3478
02:22:36,160 --> 02:22:39,200
they should fire.

3479
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:40,399
>> Yes.

3480
02:22:40,399 --> 02:22:42,319
>> I I just feel really strong that we got

3481
02:22:42,319 --> 02:22:44,319
to have her come because I walked out of

3482
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:45,600
there after listening to her going,

3483
02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:48,560
"Holy crap, residents do not understand

3484
02:22:48,560 --> 02:22:50,960
this." because I didn't have any idea

3485
02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:52,399
how that's how it worked until she

3486
02:22:52,399 --> 02:22:53,680
explained

3487
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:56,640
>> most people don't know

3488
02:22:56,640 --> 02:22:59,359
there somebody comes and explains it to

3489
02:22:59,359 --> 02:23:02,880
you like oh yeah okay that makes sense

3490
02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:04,720
>> and that's the thing I found you know

3491
02:23:04,720 --> 02:23:07,920
back no front page news I used to work

3492
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:10,479
with Kisville and people just don't

3493
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:12,240
understand once they understand a light

3494
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:14,560
bulb goes off and they go oh

3495
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:16,160
>> well she actually said you guys are

3496
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:17,200
probably going to argue with me about

3497
02:23:17,200 --> 02:23:19,200
this but it's facts First thing she said

3498
02:23:19,200 --> 02:23:21,280
out of her mouth was I'm prepared for

3499
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:23,280
you to argue with me but these are the

3500
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:25,040
facts basically

3501
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:26,960
>> and I will win. She said

3502
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:30,800
>> and she said [laughter] and she did by

3503
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:32,720
the time she was halfway done I'm like

3504
02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:34,800
okay I'm on your team.

3505
02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:35,600
>> So

3506
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:37,760
>> one one thing that I don't think any if

3507
02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:39,200
you went out and asked the general

3508
02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:41,840
public nobody wants more taxes

3509
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:44,399
>> but we have I call it stretch the rubber

3510
02:23:44,399 --> 02:23:47,040
band since we became the city we've

3511
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:50,080
never I mean those numbers just show

3512
02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:52,000
>> we're doing

3513
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:54,319
that by the way.

3514
02:23:54,319 --> 02:23:57,600
>> We'll make it pretty soon [laughter]

3515
02:23:57,600 --> 02:24:01,359
and we've got to have more

3516
02:24:01,359 --> 02:24:03,760
>> just Yeah. All I can say is she just

3517
02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:06,240
convinced me that it needs to be done

3518
02:24:06,240 --> 02:24:09,439
and and actually Ray and I talked that

3519
02:24:09,439 --> 02:24:13,200
we're so yeah we would even if we had

3520
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:14,880
>> I'd happily I'll pay the whole thing

3521
02:24:14,880 --> 02:24:17,600
where you want to play because I'm I

3522
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:20,640
paid it's worth it to me to this city to

3523
02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:22,399
fork over a thousand bucks. I would

3524
02:24:22,399 --> 02:24:25,359
happily do that because this city means

3525
02:24:25,359 --> 02:24:26,479
this information.

3526
02:24:26,479 --> 02:24:27,840
>> Well, and one thing too and I don't know

3527
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:29,680
if this you said this with case or we

3528
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:31,920
heard it also because I I relisted to

3529
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:34,640
her presentation. She had you know the

3530
02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:36,640
same one but she said this is what we

3531
02:24:36,640 --> 02:24:39,359
need to say. This is what proper

3532
02:24:39,359 --> 02:24:40,960
residents this is what you are getting

3533
02:24:40,960 --> 02:24:43,120
for $150

3534
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:45,040
a year.

3535
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:47,040
You break it out into like a pie chart

3536
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:49,920
and you say this is how much is police,

3537
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:53,120
this is how much is this, this is how much is this,

3538
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:55,120
these are the services, this is what

3539
02:24:55,120 --> 02:24:58,080
it's costing you for these services. And

3540
02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:01,120
it really hits home when you do that

3541
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:03,840
more so than, you know, I mean, when I

3542
02:25:03,840 --> 02:25:06,000
did it with Kisville, I did the flyer

3543
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:09,200
and it had um and they still have it on

3544
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:10,640
their website. They haven't updated it,

3545
02:25:10,640 --> 02:25:13,439
but they've got it there. but it has a

3546
02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:15,600
comparison for other things. [cough] And

3547
02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:17,840
honestly, I think the more important

3548
02:25:17,840 --> 02:25:20,399
thing was that pie chart,

3549
02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:22,160
>> you know, saying this is what you're

3550
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:24,560
getting for your money. And then also

3551
02:25:24,560 --> 02:25:26,560
like we did a chart of saying this is

3552
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:28,720
what your property taxes are and this is

3553
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:30,800
how much of your property taxes go to

3554
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:33,439
each thing. And you know, this little

3555
02:25:33,439 --> 02:25:35,280
maybe 1%, don't quote me on the

3556
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:36,720
percentage, but this little teeny

3557
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:39,280
percentage is the city. The rest of it

3558
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:42,080
is these other things. So, you know, of

3559
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:44,000
that little teeny percentage, we're

3560
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:45,520
providing these services. And

3561
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:47,120
>> you're a good pie charter, right?

3562
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:48,399
>> I love pie charts.

3563
02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:54,550
>> I love Yeah, they do.

3564
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:57,359
» All we need to do is add what we provide

3565
02:25:57,359 --> 02:26:00,070
for those.

3566
02:26:00,070 --> 02:26:00,240
[cough and clears throat]

3567
02:26:00,240 --> 02:26:03,359
>> I I was surprised where I live. I got a

3568
02:26:03,359 --> 02:26:06,000
four

3569
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:07,280
city.

3570
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:10,800
>> My tax is just the city part. This is

3571
02:26:10,800 --> 02:26:14,160
rough but fairly accurate. Went up 600%.

3572
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:17,439
If we had the same amount of tax rate

3573
02:26:17,439 --> 02:26:19,680
that the city I live in has, we wouldn't

3574
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:21,439
have any money problems.

3575
02:26:21,439 --> 02:26:22,960
>> And I don't know that, you know, maybe

3576
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:25,680
they're fat and they could be trimmed 10

3577
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:28,399
20% but not 600%.

3578
02:26:28,399 --> 02:26:30,479
>> His his taxes literally when he got

3579
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:32,240
annexed into West Point City, correct me

3580
02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:37,040
if I'm wrong, went up $1,400 a year.

3581
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:41,600
>> So here's the truth. This is that Carrie

3582
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:44,950
not

3583
02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:48,160
41 pages of her presentation. If you

3584
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:53,359
guys want this, this is what emailed us.

3585
02:26:53,359 --> 02:26:55,040
So, we need to get the new one from

3586
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:55,600
yesterday.

3587
02:26:55,600 --> 02:26:56,080
>> What's that?

3588
02:26:56,080 --> 02:26:57,520
>> I want to geek out on it. Can you send

3589
02:26:57,520 --> 02:27:01,349
it to me? [laughter]

3590
02:27:01,359 --> 02:27:03,040
» Is that the new one you got yesterday?

3591
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:04,160
>> Sorry.

3592
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:05,920
>> There's some slides she updated

3593
02:27:05,920 --> 02:27:06,720
yesterday.

3594
02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:09,200
>> Can I see?

3595
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:09,920
And it does.

3596
02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:12,000
>> So if you go go to the Utah League of

3597
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:14,560
Cities and Towns, they she updated it

3598
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:16,319
and so she said, "This is our new one

3599
02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:19,520
because the state auditors send them two

3600
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:22,560
more as of

3601
02:27:22,560 --> 02:27:27,600
No, it was really good. I hers

3602
02:27:27,600 --> 02:27:32,710
will find the

3603
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:35,840
» So our tax notice will say what it's

3604
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:38,880
for. We were sheriff

3605
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:41,359
So because of transparency now we have

3606
02:27:41,359 --> 02:27:44,000
to have three separate agenda items we

3607
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:45,520
have and so this we talked about today

3608
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:47,200
with county would be on our second main

3609
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:49,760
meeting. So you have to have a agenda

3610
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:52,720
item stating that we are going to have a

3611
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:55,359
statement. Then the next agenda item is

3612
02:27:55,359 --> 02:27:58,240
that we are this is the statement.

3613
02:27:58,240 --> 02:28:00,160
>> Then the third one is this is the

3614
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:03,280
schedule and the schedule is so plainly

3615
02:28:03,280 --> 02:28:05,439
written that it's this is the amount

3616
02:28:05,439 --> 02:28:07,920
this is what it's for. This is But this

3617
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:09,920
is looked like county said this is the

3618
02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:12,000
amount of money we need to get and we

3619
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:14,720
won't know the tax rate yet until we

3620
02:28:14,720 --> 02:28:16,160
give that to them and they figure it

3621
02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:16,479
out.

3622
02:28:16,479 --> 02:28:18,160
>> So there'll be no question.

3623
02:28:18,160 --> 02:28:20,319
>> No question at all. So, if you go to

3624
02:28:20,319 --> 02:28:21,120
>> absolutely

3625
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:26,720
>> tab um 11, the TNT one, [laughter]

3626
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:30,319
>> um page one, it says at a public meeting

3627
02:28:30,319 --> 02:28:34,160
between January or May 1st to June 13th,

3628
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:36,319
and it lines out what we have to

3629
02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:39,990
provide.

3630
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:42,319
» Yeah. [clears throat]

3631
02:28:42,319 --> 02:28:44,080
I mean, you don't necessarily need this,

3632
02:28:44,080 --> 02:28:45,600
but I thought you might find it

3633
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:47,200
interesting, you know, as we go through

3634
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:48,399
the process.

3635
02:28:48,399 --> 02:28:50,080
It doesn't help for all of us to be

3636
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:51,680
checking and making sure we're following

3637
02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:53,680
it or if we're questioning if we're

3638
02:28:53,680 --> 02:28:54,640
following it to

3639
02:28:54,640 --> 02:28:55,840
>> she actually went through all this stuff

3640
02:28:55,840 --> 02:28:56,479
with us.

3641
02:28:56,479 --> 02:28:57,040
>> Did she?

3642
02:28:57,040 --> 02:28:59,040
>> Yeah. Me and Larry and we don't have a

3643
02:28:59,040 --> 02:29:00,880
good memory.

3644
02:29:00,880 --> 02:29:03,200
>> But I love that the state auditor

3645
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:05,040
updated this because they had one before

3646
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:07,200
and I was like, where is that? They've

3647
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:09,280
got to give us a new one. So when they

3648
02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:10,640
came up with the new one, I was like,

3649
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:14,399
"Yes, I want them to be on the on the

3650
02:29:14,399 --> 02:29:16,640
hook if you know they mess something up

3651
02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:18,960
on their checklist, not [laughter] me."

3652
02:29:18,960 --> 02:29:20,479
But it does make it a lot easier.

3653
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:23,120
>> I'm told 100%. It's got to be right in

3654
02:29:23,120 --> 02:29:26,150
detail.

3655
02:29:26,160 --> 02:29:29,190
» So

3656
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:31,600
yeah, the

3657
02:29:31,600 --> 02:29:33,600
>> Yeah, we need 1036

3658
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:36,000
>> irrigation line

3659
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:40,160
for this year. You can uh Oh, you're

3660
02:29:40,160 --> 02:29:40,640
changing

3661
02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:44,080
>> the 1036 is what did you have it, Larry?

3662
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:46,800
>> The fee.

3663
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:48,399
>> She's wondering what that needs to be

3664
02:29:48,399 --> 02:29:50,640
changed. Said the TNT check.

3665
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:52,399
>> Sorry. I think we're looking at

3666
02:29:52,399 --> 02:29:54,160
>> I thought you had it, Larry. So, I was

3667
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:56,399
like, "Oh, I got it right here, too."

3668
02:29:56,399 --> 02:30:00,070
But um

3669
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:02,319
maybe somewhere

3670
02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:06,479
>> um it's going to be interest.

3671
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:08,640
That's the 30 3600. Okay.

3672
02:30:08,640 --> 02:30:13,439
>> Yeah. And this is tab

3673
02:30:13,439 --> 02:30:16,319
nine.

3674
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:18,640
>> Sorry, we're on tab nine.

3675
02:30:18,640 --> 02:30:20,319
>> Yep. Sorry. You're supposed to read by

3676
02:30:20,319 --> 02:30:28,309
mine, guys. [clears throat and laughter]

3677
02:30:28,319 --> 02:30:47,190
I thought it was just

3678
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:48,960
» I do have these exact numbers if you

3679
02:30:48,960 --> 02:30:51,549
want to add those in for those grants

3680
02:30:51,549 --> 02:30:53,600
[clears throat] for the ADA sidewalk,

3681
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:56,640
but that's next year. We just mean it'll

3682
02:30:56,640 --> 02:31:00,319
be next fiscal year, but if you want

3683
02:31:00,319 --> 02:31:02,160
>> so not in fiscal year,

3684
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:04,080
>> it'll be it will be 27.

3685
02:31:04,080 --> 02:31:05,200
>> Oh, okay.

3686
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:07,920
>> So, we've got the bleachers and then

3687
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:10,880
we've got how much for the

3688
02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:12,960
>> They were You had You had a list. You

3689
02:31:12,960 --> 02:31:14,080
had They were on

3690
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:16,880
>> Yeah, they were over here on this

3691
02:31:16,880 --> 02:31:18,319
>> right here. [snorts]

3692
02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:21,680
So, we had the 30. The

3693
02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:24,160
>> So, the 30 is correct.

3694
02:31:24,160 --> 02:31:26,720
sidewalk

3695
02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:30,880
and the baseball lights are 26,430.

3696
02:31:30,880 --> 02:31:33,439
>> Okay. Right. [clears throat]

3697
02:31:33,439 --> 02:31:36,399
And then the 15 there.

3698
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:36,960
>> Yeah.

3699
02:31:36,960 --> 02:31:37,680
>> Sorry.

3700
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:40,080
>> Do we need to add any of that to this

3701
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:42,640
year's budget since we only have 1500 so

3702
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:43,520
far?

3703
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:46,479
>> Yeah. So, we need to do 15700

3704
02:31:46,479 --> 02:31:52,000
>> plus this plus this plus 150

3705
02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:53,520
>> 221.

3706
02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:54,399
money for next year.

3707
02:31:54,399 --> 02:31:56,960
>> 430. This is next year's money.

3708
02:31:56,960 --> 02:31:59,439
>> 221430.

3709
02:31:59,439 --> 02:32:01,040
>> We wrote the grants, but they're for

3710
02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:03,439
fiscal year. They call them 2027.

3711
02:32:03,439 --> 02:32:08,399
>> So, 1500 is all we got for this year.

3712
02:32:08,399 --> 02:32:11,120
>> Are those numbers or is that with our

3713
02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:12,080
match?

3714
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:14,720
>> That that is the grant money.

3715
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:15,120
>> Okay.

3716
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:17,840
>> Yeah. So, the bleachers would have been

3717
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:23,830
last year, but

3718
02:32:23,840 --> 02:32:26,640
The lighting we got done. The parking

3719
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:32,550
lot was done.

3720
02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:34,720
» We did the electrical upgrade that was

3721
02:32:34,720 --> 02:32:40,720
on the west side of the park behind the

3722
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:48,950
>> shoulds.

3723
02:32:48,960 --> 02:32:54,950
the financials on page three.

3724
02:32:54,960 --> 02:33:01,910
» That should cover us

3725
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:05,520
over that amount in there, but I did the

3726
02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:09,840
landscaping from 27,000 to 8,000. So

3727
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:15,670
that'll save us significantly there.

3728
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:18,560
» Well, the guy that's doing it, I just We

3729
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:20,399
got to talk about these numbers or we're

3730
02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:22,399
going to pull it out of your contract.

3731
02:33:22,399 --> 02:33:24,240
>> Tell me about

3732
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:31,110
>> when we talk about it.

3733
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:33,520
» Thank you.

3734
02:33:33,520 --> 02:33:36,160
>> Okay.

3735
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:38,560
So, on the

3736
02:33:38,560 --> 02:33:42,710
uh

3737
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:45,439
on the capital projects fund, we've got

3738
02:33:45,439 --> 02:33:48,720
about 35,000 for park impact fees. Keep

3739
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:52,880
in mind those are um restricted funds.

3740
02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:56,560
Uh calculated 176430

3741
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:59,280
for grants.

3742
02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:01,439
And then interest, I estimated about

3743
02:34:01,439 --> 02:34:03,359
90,000. That's probably a little low,

3744
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:05,680
but you never know with interest rates.

3745
02:34:05,680 --> 02:34:07,520
I always hate to go too high on

3746
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:10,240
interest. This is assuming we have a

3747
02:34:10,240 --> 02:34:11,920
$225,000

3748
02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:14,880
transfer in from the general fund.

3749
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:18,560
Um then with all the expenses, we've got

3750
02:34:18,560 --> 02:34:22,080
the 5100 project also was postponed

3751
02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:23,920
>> and it will be build. He told me we

3752
02:34:23,920 --> 02:34:25,439
should be getting that build here pretty

3753
02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:25,920
quick.

3754
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:27,520
>> Oh, so we'll be getting it this year

3755
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:27,920
then?

3756
02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:29,600
>> I think we will be getting it this year.

3757
02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:31,200
>> Okay. So now we no longer need to

3758
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:33,680
postpone that. That's even greater news.

3759
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:35,600
Okay.

3760
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:39,680
And then all these then should be

3761
02:34:39,680 --> 02:34:44,000
done then. So

3762
02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:46,880
we don't want to count the 35 really,

3763
02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:48,800
but

3764
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:52,640
we'll have 418 as expenses. Our income's

3765
02:34:52,640 --> 02:35:05,349
looking at 526. We could easily trim

3766
02:35:05,359 --> 02:35:07,840
I don't want to count that impact fees

3767
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:11,359
in there. We could trim 73 off of this

3768
02:35:11,359 --> 02:35:14,560
225 and still pay for the expenses we

3769
02:35:14,560 --> 02:35:18,950
have for this year.

3770
02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:22,960
If you wanted to, um,

3771
02:35:22,960 --> 02:35:25,840
it's up to you guys. We can put it in

3772
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:28,479
there and use it for

3773
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:30,479
>> Yeah, we know that's going to be

3774
02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:32,319
Yeah, because because the parking lot

3775
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:37,190
according to the grant we had 59,718

3776
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:40,560
responsibility was 51,41

3777
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:43,359
for the parking lot. So is that what it

3778
02:35:43,359 --> 02:35:53,590
came to?

3779
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:57,840
It's going to be closer to 22.

3780
02:35:57,840 --> 02:36:00,713
>> That's for a 4 in line.

3781
02:36:00,713 --> 02:36:03,120
[clears throat] Really don't think that

3782
02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:05,120
we've got to have it. Worst case

3783
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:08,080
scenario, I think would be a 2 in that

3784
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:09,200
would be around.

3785
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:12,160
>> So more like maybe if I put 25 that

3786
02:36:12,160 --> 02:36:13,840
would give us a little more.

3787
02:36:13,840 --> 02:36:15,760
>> Okay.

3788
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:20,363
I'm not opposed to that.

3789
02:36:20,363 --> 02:36:21,680
[cough]

3790
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:24,880
>> And we may not even need the 25 if we

3791
02:36:24,880 --> 02:36:30,469
can water it with the 4 in

3792
02:36:30,479 --> 02:36:43,429
» from

3793
02:36:43,439 --> 02:36:44,960
that.

3794
02:36:44,960 --> 02:36:46,560
on the west

3795
02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:49,840
>> reduce it down or whatever it is.

3796
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:52,000
>> I don't remember either if the 2 in

3797
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:55,200
dropped down to 25.

3798
02:36:55,200 --> 02:36:56,160
>> I think it was more

3799
02:36:56,160 --> 02:36:58,160
>> on the

3800
02:36:58,160 --> 02:36:59,120
Is it 25?

3801
02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:01,200
>> It is. It's like 22

3802
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:03,200
>> and it dropped from the 81 to

3803
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:05,840
>> No, that the 81 is for a 4 inch.

3804
02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:07,600
>> Yes, that's what I'm asking. But the 2

3805
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:09,040
in is only 22.

3806
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:12,160
>> Yeah. So, the uh there's a 1 inch that's

3807
02:37:12,160 --> 02:37:14,479
uh I didn't bring my papers with me. A 1

3808
02:37:14,479 --> 02:37:17,600
inch was like 11,000.

3809
02:37:17,600 --> 02:37:23,280
>> An inch and a half was uh 125

3810
02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:26,479
or 135 and then the 2 inch went up to

3811
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:30,080
like 22 and that included the meter, but

3812
02:37:30,080 --> 02:37:31,680
she's putting 25.

3813
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:33,359
>> That included the meter.

3814
02:37:33,359 --> 02:37:37,359
>> Yes. the one in that comes with it a

3815
02:37:37,359 --> 02:37:41,120
meter because the meters are yeah 8,000

3816
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:44,800
for a 4 in but for like a 2 in it was

3817
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:48,319
like $1300 or something.

3818
02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:52,720
>> So they us000 but we actually called

3819
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:58,309
their supper and we could buy it for

3820
02:37:58,319 --> 02:38:01,359
» but I think yeah I just don't this

3821
02:38:01,359 --> 02:38:13,030
coming year I don't with this

3822
02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:14,399
Yeah, I don't think anyone get

3823
02:38:14,399 --> 02:38:16,240
everything sorted out. We may end up

3824
02:38:16,240 --> 02:38:18,560
reducing

3825
02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:20,880
two

3826
02:38:20,880 --> 02:38:23,910
money.

3827
02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:28,160
» We can't run I've done the math on

3828
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:32,720
at 70 lb 70 PSI. We cannot pull enough

3829
02:38:32,720 --> 02:38:41,835
water into our sprinklers.

3830
02:38:41,845 --> 02:38:43,990
[clears throat]

3831
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:46,560
Yes.

3832
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:48,080
Okay, now where are we at?

3833
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:50,640
>> Okay,

3834
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:54,230
>> wants to go home.

3835
02:38:54,240 --> 02:38:56,909
» I didn't bring Diet Coke today either.

3836
02:38:56,909 --> 02:39:00,790
[laughter]

3837
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:04,880
» Okay, so that means we're

3838
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:09,110
at 137.

3839
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:11,840
Do you want to trim back that transfer

3840
02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:13,920
then?

3841
02:39:13,920 --> 02:39:15,520
And do you want to spend it on roads? Do

3842
02:39:15,520 --> 02:39:17,600
you want to spend it on what do you

3843
02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:17,920
want?

3844
02:39:17,920 --> 02:39:21,359
>> What do you need done the best the most?

3845
02:39:21,359 --> 02:39:23,680
>> The scariest thing we got those storm

3846
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:25,359
rain issues that just could fail

3847
02:39:25,359 --> 02:39:28,000
anytime.

3848
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:30,160
>> The scariest things probably the sewer

3849
02:39:30,160 --> 02:39:31,600
and we [clears throat]

3850
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:33,439
budgeted the best that we know right

3851
02:39:33,439 --> 02:39:36,399
now. Roads is one of those things we

3852
02:39:36,399 --> 02:39:39,120
could spend twice that. We won't get

3853
02:39:39,120 --> 02:39:41,600
caught up as we're fixing it on this

3854
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:43,600
end.

3855
02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:44,560
So,

3856
02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:48,479
>> Rich, maybe we just I mean

3857
02:39:48,479 --> 02:39:52,160
>> maybe if we get by a little bit

3858
02:39:52,160 --> 02:39:54,960
>> this year, maybe another year or two and

3859
02:39:54,960 --> 02:39:57,280
then get some other sources of income to

3860
02:39:57,280 --> 02:39:59,840
help us start having a better projection

3861
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:01,760
in the future.

3862
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:04,640
>> Do we have money on there for the 5900

3863
02:40:04,640 --> 02:40:07,040
project?

3864
02:40:07,040 --> 02:40:10,000
>> So, we need money for that.

3865
02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:12,240
>> We don't have money for the forest. If

3866
02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:13,520
we end up doing a

3867
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:15,120
>> Oh, the forest main. Yes, we do.

3868
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:16,880
>> We have the million.

3869
02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:18,640
>> That's in the sewer.

3870
02:40:18,640 --> 02:40:20,080
>> Isn't 5900

3871
02:40:20,080 --> 02:40:21,280
>> storm water?

3872
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:23,359
>> Oh, storm water. That's the We've got

3873
02:40:23,359 --> 02:40:24,960
the 800.

3874
02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:26,319
>> Yeah, that.

3875
02:40:26,319 --> 02:40:26,720
>> Okay.

3876
02:40:26,720 --> 02:40:33,349
So, yes, we do have that. Sorry.

3877
02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:34,720
» Remember that's that one we talked

3878
02:40:34,720 --> 02:40:38,230
about.

3879
02:40:38,240 --> 02:40:42,560
So, but well, we don't have to make that

3880
02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:45,520
decision this moment. Let's go look at

3881
02:40:45,520 --> 02:40:46,560
these other things.

3882
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:46,880
>> Yeah,

3883
02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:48,640
>> we'll make a decision.

3884
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:49,040
>> Okay,

3885
02:40:49,040 --> 02:40:50,560
>> that sound like a good idea. We'll come

3886
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:52,640
back to it.

3887
02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:57,040
Okay, but we do have 137.

3888
02:40:57,040 --> 02:41:02,399
>> So, okay, let's let's do the easy one

3889
02:41:02,399 --> 02:41:05,291
for the moment. Let's do garbage.

3890
02:41:05,291 --> 02:41:06,399
[laughter]

3891
02:41:06,399 --> 02:41:13,510
13.

3892
02:41:13,520 --> 02:41:14,720
» Yeah, we have 100

3893
02:41:14,720 --> 02:41:16,479
>> but we're pulling out of savings in

3894
02:41:16,479 --> 02:41:18,560
other words. So,

3895
02:41:18,560 --> 02:41:26,309
>> no.

3896
02:41:26,319 --> 02:41:28,240
» I mean, is it better to have, you know,

3897
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:31,840
you said we were like at 19%.

3898
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:34,080
We can only be at 19% of our general

3899
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:35,520
fund balance.

3900
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:37,439
We can be 5 to 30,

3901
02:41:37,439 --> 02:41:39,680
>> but are we better to stay at 19? Are we

3902
02:41:39,680 --> 02:41:41,840
better to go to 25? What would you

3903
02:41:41,840 --> 02:41:44,000
recommend? Is there a difference with

3904
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:45,920
interest rates we would get if the

3905
02:41:45,920 --> 02:41:48,560
money's in one account versus another?

3906
02:41:48,560 --> 02:41:51,120
>> If you're trying to get financing as far

3907
02:41:51,120 --> 02:41:54,560
as bonding, the 25 is a good number. We

3908
02:41:54,560 --> 02:41:57,600
usually recommend around 25 because that

3909
02:41:57,600 --> 02:42:00,319
would be like your money that say you

3910
02:42:00,319 --> 02:42:02,640
had a major catastrophe. I've gone

3911
02:42:02,640 --> 02:42:04,960
through a FEMA event. it takes months

3912
02:42:04,960 --> 02:42:06,960
and months and years to get their money

3913
02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:09,120
back. So that would be the money that

3914
02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:11,760
would get you through and that type of

3915
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:13,760
thing.

3916
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:17,280
>> So 25% is definitely, you know, a better

3917
02:42:17,280 --> 02:42:19,600
route to be in.

3918
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:22,800
Um that's usually a good happy place.

3919
02:42:22,800 --> 02:42:26,240
>> So we may not have that 100

3920
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:29,840
>> 37 to transfer out if we tried to get to

3921
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:32,319
the 25%.

3922
02:42:32,319 --> 02:42:32,800
>> Okay.

3923
02:42:32,800 --> 02:42:36,550
>> Kind of

3924
02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:42,150
What's that?

3925
02:42:42,160 --> 02:42:43,200
» That's really

3926
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:45,840
>> That's about it. We had to get a tornado

3927
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:46,640
through here which is

3928
02:42:46,640 --> 02:42:48,640
>> I was going to say wind. That was the

3929
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:50,479
one I experienced with Cisville. Thought

3930
02:42:50,479 --> 02:42:52,479
I'd never see it and it was

3931
02:42:52,479 --> 02:42:54,000
catastrophic.

3932
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:55,760
Of course, we had a water a power

3933
02:42:55,760 --> 02:42:57,760
department which was a whole another fun

3934
02:42:57,760 --> 02:42:59,040
thing. Yeah.

3935
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:00,720
>> Well, let's keep that in mind because we

3936
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:03,439
may want to be at the 25% rather than

3937
02:43:03,439 --> 02:43:06,160
the 19 and not necessarily transfer that

3938
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:06,880
money out.

3939
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:07,439
>> That's true.

3940
02:43:07,439 --> 02:43:11,270
>> May not be. [cough and clears throat]

3941
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:13,120
» Now, keep in mind if you do have the

3942
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:15,040
money in the capital projects fund and

3943
02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:17,359
something catastrophic happen, there's

3944
02:43:17,359 --> 02:43:18,800
nothing saying you can't take the money

3945
02:43:18,800 --> 02:43:20,720
from the capital projects fund and use

3946
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:24,000
that for that catastrophic event. So

3947
02:43:24,000 --> 02:43:25,760
it's not like, you know, by putting it

3948
02:43:25,760 --> 02:43:27,520
into couple projects, you're losing it

3949
02:43:27,520 --> 02:43:28,479
either.

3950
02:43:28,479 --> 02:43:28,800
>> So

3951
02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:31,439
>> it's usable and transferable.

3952
02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:34,160
>> Yeah. Exactly.

3953
02:43:34,160 --> 02:43:38,399
But part of why I do that five-year um

3954
02:43:38,399 --> 02:43:40,479
projection is because the state auditor

3955
02:43:40,479 --> 02:43:42,080
doesn't want you to just put tons and

3956
02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:44,479
tons of money in there and sit it there.

3957
02:43:44,479 --> 02:43:46,720
They want to say, do you have some plans

3958
02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:50,080
for it? you you know what are kind of

3959
02:43:50,080 --> 02:43:52,960
excuse me your intentions with it going

3960
02:43:52,960 --> 02:43:54,880
forward that we're not just you know

3961
02:43:54,880 --> 02:44:01,750
unlimited funds. So okay

3962
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:04,960
let's look at garbage cuz our that's an

3963
02:44:04,960 --> 02:44:06,960
easy one for a moment. Get our brains a

3964
02:44:06,960 --> 02:44:09,920
moment restify

3965
02:44:09,920 --> 02:44:10,640
one thing.

3966
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:11,520
>> Yeah absolutely.

3967
02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:13,040
>> What did we decide to do with the

3968
02:44:13,040 --> 02:44:17,510
utility bill?

3969
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:19,173
as far as going paperless.

3970
02:44:19,173 --> 02:44:24,790
[cough and clears throat]

3971
02:44:24,800 --> 02:44:25,120
» Yeah,

3972
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:26,640
>> you know, we talked about it in staff

3973
02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:29,439
meeting and we have enough paper bills

3974
02:44:29,439 --> 02:44:32,640
to last till the end of the year. But as

3975
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:34,240
we talked about it, but even if we went

3976
02:44:34,240 --> 02:44:36,720
to paperless like in July, we still need

3977
02:44:36,720 --> 02:44:38,880
to keep some for those residents that

3978
02:44:38,880 --> 02:44:41,600
want to if we do that want to opt in

3979
02:44:41,600 --> 02:44:43,439
still to getting a paper bill.

3980
02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:46,028
>> So the option

3981
02:44:46,028 --> 02:44:51,510
[snorts] dollar.

3982
02:44:51,520 --> 02:44:58,720
And maybe one thing on garbage is so the Weaver transfer station is planning

3983
02:44:58,720 --> 02:45:00,640
on staying open for at least one more

3984
02:45:00,640 --> 02:45:02,960
year. But they told us they are going to

3985
02:45:02,960 --> 02:45:04,880
be sending an interlocal agreement to

3986
02:45:04,880 --> 02:45:06,880
us. They do not want us to sign that for

3987
02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:09,040
more than a one year because after the

3988
02:45:09,040 --> 02:45:11,760
one year they will re-evaluate and then

3989
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:16,000
try to see what they can what we can do.

3990
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:18,240
>> So I don't know what the fee will be if

3991
02:45:18,240 --> 02:45:20,319
it'll go up.

3992
02:45:20,319 --> 02:45:22,160
Historically it has gone up a little bit

3993
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:24,479
each year. So

3994
02:45:24,479 --> 02:45:32,710
>> absolutely need that open.

3995
02:45:32,720 --> 02:45:35,760
» Yeah. Yeah. Why not? I got the lowest

3996
02:45:35,760 --> 02:45:38,640
place in John

3997
02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:41,694
>> actually.

3998
02:45:41,704 --> 02:45:44,710
[clears throat]

3999
02:45:44,720 --> 02:45:45,600
» You're close.

4000
02:45:45,600 --> 02:45:48,319
>> And the tipping fee

4001
02:45:48,319 --> 02:45:50,800
was a set price.

4002
02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:52,880
>> Well, tipping fee, they haven't given it

4003
02:45:52,880 --> 02:45:55,840
to us yet, but we're assuming if it goes

4004
02:45:55,840 --> 02:45:57,680
up as much this year. They had talked

4005
02:45:57,680 --> 02:46:00,240
once about having it be go down a little

4006
02:46:00,240 --> 02:46:01,600
bit. That's when they were trying to

4007
02:46:01,600 --> 02:46:04,960
negotiate with some of the

4008
02:46:04,960 --> 02:46:07,200
companies to come back to. There's only

4009
02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:10,319
one actually that

4010
02:46:10,319 --> 02:46:12,160
so we don't know that yet, but that's

4011
02:46:12,160 --> 02:46:14,640
probably a fair estimate and I think we

4012
02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:17,279
might get that at our Monday meeting.

4013
02:46:17,279 --> 02:46:20,640
>> So the $12,000 increase

4014
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:22,560
>> is an estimate.

4015
02:46:22,560 --> 02:46:24,080
>> 22,500

4016
02:46:24,080 --> 02:46:27,680
increase for the contract is a given.

4017
02:46:27,680 --> 02:46:36,710
>> That was the percentage he gave us.

4018
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:47,110
So everybody

4019
02:46:47,120 --> 02:46:50,870
just

4020
02:46:50,880 --> 02:46:52,445
person

4021
02:46:52,445 --> 02:46:54,319
[laughter]

4022
02:46:54,319 --> 02:46:56,479
>> well you know it is going to take one

4023
02:46:56,479 --> 02:46:59,760
staff meeting we there is going to be

4024
02:46:59,760 --> 02:47:03,040
some staff work to do that.

4025
02:47:03,040 --> 02:47:04,160
>> I don't know how to get around it with

4026
02:47:04,160 --> 02:47:05,840
our demographic. It's like there are

4027
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:07,520
certain people that say, "I don't have

4028
02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:08,960
email. I don't I don't want to pay."

4029
02:47:08,960 --> 02:47:10,000
>> Well, that's just it. We're always

4030
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:11,520
punishing those people that don't have

4031
02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:16,319
the convenience of all that stuff.

4032
02:47:16,319 --> 02:47:17,920
So, here's your dollar fee because you

4033
02:47:17,920 --> 02:47:18,560
can't

4034
02:47:18,560 --> 02:47:19,760
>> I see what you're saying. I guess I

4035
02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:20,960
didn't understand that. I thought we

4036
02:47:20,960 --> 02:47:22,640
were it was going to cost us an

4037
02:47:22,640 --> 02:47:24,479
additional dollar.

4038
02:47:24,479 --> 02:47:28,950
>> No, we charge a dollar.

4039
02:47:28,960 --> 02:47:31,200
» The reason for

4040
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:33,040
We figure it's costing us a dollar. By

4041
02:47:33,040 --> 02:47:36,640
the time you email it, you get it 20,000

4042
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:38,640
a year to

4043
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:40,319
>> see what's funny is I've seen companies

4044
02:47:40,319 --> 02:47:41,920
do the opposite. Charge a convenience

4045
02:47:41,920 --> 02:47:44,319
fee for online meal pay and electronic

4046
02:47:44,319 --> 02:47:45,120
things.

4047
02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:49,040
>> So they don't they charge you less for

4048
02:47:49,040 --> 02:47:50,560
charge convenience fee to do everything

4049
02:47:50,560 --> 02:47:52,960
online. And we do have the thought that

4050
02:47:52,960 --> 02:47:55,326
we could instead of charging

4051
02:47:55,326 --> 02:47:57,840
[clears throat] the fee, the paper fee,

4052
02:47:57,840 --> 02:48:01,040
we could charge a credit card fee.

4053
02:48:01,040 --> 02:48:03,279
People are doing it.

4054
02:48:03,279 --> 02:48:04,479
>> People do it.

4055
02:48:04,479 --> 02:48:05,600
>> People are familiar with that,

4056
02:48:05,600 --> 02:48:06,319
>> right?

4057
02:48:06,319 --> 02:48:07,840
>> A credit card fee would make more sense

4058
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:10,319
because that's actually

4059
02:48:10,319 --> 02:48:10,960
charged.

4060
02:48:10,960 --> 02:48:11,600
>> Yeah.

4061
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:13,840
>> Do we want to look at that route

4062
02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:16,240
instead?

4063
02:48:16,240 --> 02:48:19,120
>> We're eating right now.

4064
02:48:19,120 --> 02:48:21,120
>> We are eating. I mean in his budget we

4065
02:48:21,120 --> 02:48:22,640
are eating banking fees and I'm I'm

4066
02:48:22,640 --> 02:48:24,800
interested if you ever looked at are we

4067
02:48:24,800 --> 02:48:26,720
is it outrageous you know because I was

4068
02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:28,240
looking at some of the other budgets and

4069
02:48:28,240 --> 02:48:30,479
we had a lot more one year than others

4070
02:48:30,479 --> 02:48:32,640
but we are we have multiple banking fees

4071
02:48:32,640 --> 02:48:36,000
from different departments that I wonder

4072
02:48:36,000 --> 02:48:38,160
>> we could definitely look at it I mean I

4073
02:48:38,160 --> 02:48:41,279
know we pay a fee for express and we pay

4074
02:48:41,279 --> 02:48:45,200
a fee for the credit card system um you

4075
02:48:45,200 --> 02:48:48,479
know the thought process is is if you do

4076
02:48:48,479 --> 02:48:52,000
use like credit processing center like

4077
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:55,120
Express. It it goes right into Cassell

4078
02:48:55,120 --> 02:48:57,920
and it's literally a couple steps as

4079
02:48:57,920 --> 02:48:59,600
opposed to hand putting in all those

4080
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:01,439
payments

4081
02:49:01,439 --> 02:49:03,359
which so it makes sense to have that

4082
02:49:03,359 --> 02:49:05,040
instead of having to hire an additional

4083
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:06,720
person as the thought process or a

4084
02:49:06,720 --> 02:49:09,200
part-time person or something. So, you

4085
02:49:09,200 --> 02:49:11,760
don't want to, you know, do that. And

4086
02:49:11,760 --> 02:49:16,399
also, we do get a lesser fee for using

4087
02:49:16,399 --> 02:49:18,240
um credit cards because we are a

4088
02:49:18,240 --> 02:49:19,760
municipality.

4089
02:49:19,760 --> 02:49:22,080
What that fee is, I'm not sure at the

4090
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:24,880
moment because it's been so long.

4091
02:49:24,880 --> 02:49:26,319
>> Do we get benefits like points for the

4092
02:49:26,319 --> 02:49:27,840
city or anything?

4093
02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:29,600
>> No.

4094
02:49:29,600 --> 02:49:31,040
I'm just saying we're using credit.

4095
02:49:31,040 --> 02:49:32,640
I mean, they they're charging us

4096
02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:36,000
something interesting.

4097
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:38,319
>> Yeah. So, I mean, we definitely could

4098
02:49:38,319 --> 02:49:41,200
charge a processing fee instead of a

4099
02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:43,200
paper, you know, go the processing fee

4100
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:44,720
instead of the paper fee.

4101
02:49:44,720 --> 02:49:46,640
>> How many people do we figure paid by

4102
02:49:46,640 --> 02:49:47,520
credit card?

4103
02:49:47,520 --> 02:49:49,680
>> I'd have to figure it out. I bet you at

4104
02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:51,917
least more than half. Huh.

4105
02:49:51,917 --> 02:49:52,640
[clears throat and cough]

4106
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:54,720
You save probably more pay than half pay

4107
02:49:54,720 --> 02:49:57,439
by credit card.

4108
02:49:57,439 --> 02:50:00,640
>> But you know me, I'm a tight w though.

4109
02:50:00,640 --> 02:50:03,040
If they charge me a 3% fee, I pay with

4110
02:50:03,040 --> 02:50:05,760
my debit card instead of my credit card,

4111
02:50:05,760 --> 02:50:07,120
you know. [laughter]

4112
02:50:07,120 --> 02:50:09,279
That's a big chance. I have several

4113
02:50:09,279 --> 02:50:10,960
businesses that I deal with that don't

4114
02:50:10,960 --> 02:50:12,640
want to pay the credit card fee, so

4115
02:50:12,640 --> 02:50:13,840
they'll take a check.

4116
02:50:13,840 --> 02:50:17,279
>> Yeah. But yeah, if you know somebody

4117
02:50:17,279 --> 02:50:19,439
uh offers me to pay with my credit card

4118
02:50:19,439 --> 02:50:20,960
and I'm going to get the Sky,

4119
02:50:20,960 --> 02:50:23,920
>> we do charge a dollar transaction that

4120
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:26,960
we do take whether it's debit or credit.

4121
02:50:26,960 --> 02:50:29,040
So there's a dollar every time.

4122
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:29,439
>> Okay.

4123
02:50:29,439 --> 02:50:32,720
>> Anything over 200, we charge 3%.

4124
02:50:32,720 --> 02:50:34,880
>> Okay. So you are charging

4125
02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:38,160
>> an If people pay that way, is there

4126
02:50:38,160 --> 02:50:39,680
already a fee built into?

4127
02:50:39,680 --> 02:50:41,120
>> I don't know. We have to ask. I don't

4128
02:50:41,120 --> 02:50:43,359
know. Like if I was to go on and pay my

4129
02:50:43,359 --> 02:50:45,359
>> If I go on and pay my bill through

4130
02:50:45,359 --> 02:50:48,319
express does the city get charged?

4131
02:50:48,319 --> 02:50:50,560
>> Oh, yes. Yes, the city does get charged.

4132
02:50:50,560 --> 02:50:53,279
>> Just do we is that per bill or is that

4133
02:50:53,279 --> 02:50:55,200
per our service with express?

4134
02:50:55,200 --> 02:50:58,160
>> I think it's per amount like a

4135
02:50:58,160 --> 02:51:01,040
percentage of what I think. Don't quote

4136
02:51:01,040 --> 02:51:03,279
me on that. I'd have to research it. I

4137
02:51:03,279 --> 02:51:05,439
know that's what it used to. We really

4138
02:51:05,439 --> 02:51:07,120
should be passing that on if we're

4139
02:51:07,120 --> 02:51:08,160
having to

4140
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:10,399
>> Yeah, there's a processing

4141
02:51:10,399 --> 02:51:13,439
that charging would have to be charged

4142
02:51:13,439 --> 02:51:15,840
to this. They're not

4143
02:51:15,840 --> 02:51:18,240
>> like for example, our merchant fees. I

4144
02:51:18,240 --> 02:51:22,560
did estimate about $10,000 just for um

4145
02:51:22,560 --> 02:51:25,200
garbage. That's and I allocate that each

4146
02:51:25,200 --> 02:51:27,520
month based upon our billing. So, I take

4147
02:51:27,520 --> 02:51:31,840
all of our fees that were charged for

4148
02:51:31,840 --> 02:51:35,920
um merchant, uh bank, any of those fees,

4149
02:51:35,920 --> 02:51:38,000
and I take and I take the total and then

4150
02:51:38,000 --> 02:51:39,760
I say this is how much we build for each

4151
02:51:39,760 --> 02:51:41,920
of those services. What's the percentage

4152
02:51:41,920 --> 02:51:43,279
of [clears throat] the total and

4153
02:51:43,279 --> 02:51:44,080
allocate it out?

4154
02:51:44,080 --> 02:51:46,640
>> So, it could be 30 $40,000 total.

4155
02:51:46,640 --> 02:51:48,640
>> Yeah. I mean, if you look at 10,000

4156
02:51:48,640 --> 02:51:52,240
there, then your storm water

4157
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:55,840
is paying where's our merchant?

4158
02:51:55,840 --> 02:52:01,200
right there. Three three two three,000

4159
02:52:01,200 --> 02:52:05,200
and then we go to

4160
02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:06,880
sewer

4161
02:52:06,880 --> 02:52:08,560
probably the highest.

4162
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:15,279
>> Yeah. 23ish 20 23 around there,

4163
02:52:15,279 --> 02:52:17,040
>> you know. And then I don't get keep any

4164
02:52:17,040 --> 02:52:19,359
in the general fund because

4165
02:52:19,359 --> 02:52:21,760
>> it really doesn't make sense to keep any

4166
02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:22,319
in the general fun.

4167
02:52:22,319 --> 02:52:24,960
>> Keep it like it is or decide to charge

4168
02:52:24,960 --> 02:52:26,960
to We're covering our cost or we build

4169
02:52:26,960 --> 02:52:29,279
in a little maybe we build in a little

4170
02:52:29,279 --> 02:52:32,160
bit for every bill whether they get we

4171
02:52:32,160 --> 02:52:34,319
mail it or we do it credit card so it

4172
02:52:34,319 --> 02:52:37,920
covers all of it or are we already

4173
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:41,520
building in some

4174
02:52:41,520 --> 02:52:45,439
>> thought process is that this their cost

4175
02:52:45,439 --> 02:52:50,080
per can is more because

4176
02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:51,200
>> you've already added

4177
02:52:51,200 --> 02:52:52,960
>> yeah we've already got those merchant

4178
02:52:52,960 --> 02:52:55,120
fees here so it would just be basically

4179
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:57,284
saying you you're using that

4180
02:52:57,284 --> 02:52:58,479
[clears throat] service now we're

4181
02:52:58,479 --> 02:53:00,800
charging you for that service built that

4182
02:53:00,800 --> 02:53:02,319
way in

4183
02:53:02,319 --> 02:53:04,880
>> and that's fair and we also have

4184
02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:07,120
supplies and postage built in

4185
02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:10,160
>> we did decrease supplies and postage by

4186
02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:14,399
6 thou by about yeah about 10,000

4187
02:53:14,399 --> 02:53:16,640
>> because we were doing this

4188
02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:18,479
>> I wish [laughter]

4189
02:53:18,479 --> 02:53:20,640
>> so you know I mean if we're not going to

4190
02:53:20,640 --> 02:53:22,720
do paper bills then I would say we

4191
02:53:22,720 --> 02:53:25,920
probably need to up that back to about

4192
02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:29,760
16. Probably 15ish.

4193
02:53:29,760 --> 02:53:32,399
>> Oh, maybe about 14.

4194
02:53:32,399 --> 02:53:34,399
>> Five. Let's do 145.

4195
02:53:34,399 --> 02:53:36,240
>> How much have we spent so far this year?

4196
02:53:36,240 --> 02:53:38,399
Is that the 135?

4197
02:53:38,399 --> 02:53:39,359
>> Uhhuh.

4198
02:53:39,359 --> 02:53:41,520
>> Well, we spent 1000

4199
02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:42,560
>> this year.

4200
02:53:42,560 --> 02:53:44,960
>> So, we should be open.

4201
02:53:44,960 --> 02:53:46,800
>> Yeah. So, if we did the 145, but we're

4202
02:53:46,800 --> 02:53:50,000
going to lose that there. So, then what

4203
02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:53,040
do you want to I mean, I guess we could

4204
02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:54,640
figure

4205
02:53:54,640 --> 02:53:59,279
out of this and this times it by 003 you

4206
02:53:59,279 --> 02:54:02,560
did a 3%

4207
02:54:02,560 --> 02:54:06,950
that calculated wrong

4208
02:54:06,960 --> 02:54:09,680
we just found a bunch of money dang

4209
02:54:09,680 --> 02:54:14,240
charge that right so if you charge 3%

4210
02:54:14,240 --> 02:54:16,800
>> and then maybe

4211
02:54:16,800 --> 02:54:20,399
said half the people

4212
02:54:20,399 --> 02:54:22,479
>> 1%

4213
02:54:22,479 --> 02:54:24,720
>> you need a dump and just let people go

4214
02:54:24,720 --> 02:54:26,000
take it themselves.

4215
02:54:26,000 --> 02:54:28,560
>> That's right.

4216
02:54:28,560 --> 02:54:31,520
>> So, you only get $4,000.

4217
02:54:31,520 --> 02:54:33,680
>> What's our expenses?

4218
02:54:33,680 --> 02:54:35,040
>> Our expenses

4219
02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:36,880
>> 876.

4220
02:54:36,880 --> 02:54:42,080
>> Yeah. Your your deficit $11,000.

4221
02:54:42,080 --> 02:54:43,680
>> Salaries and wages.

4222
02:54:43,680 --> 02:54:46,319
>> Yeah. You're down you're negative

4223
02:54:46,319 --> 02:54:47,200
11,000.

4224
02:54:47,200 --> 02:54:48,319
>> Okay. 2%.

4225
02:54:48,319 --> 02:54:50,399
>> 2%. Okay.

4226
02:54:50,399 --> 02:54:51,920
>> We can't go in the hall.

4227
02:54:51,920 --> 02:54:54,560
>> No. the point we don't want to go.

4228
02:54:54,560 --> 02:54:56,560
>> Next year we go further in the hole.

4229
02:54:56,560 --> 02:54:59,200
>> So now we're now we're we almost need to

4230
02:54:59,200 --> 02:55:05,110
go to 3%.

4231
02:55:05,120 --> 02:55:06,960
» And we're still

4232
02:55:06,960 --> 02:55:12,479
>> we're still 2,800 negative but you know.

4233
02:55:12,479 --> 02:55:15,120
>> So what about the idea of billing every

4234
02:55:15,120 --> 02:55:24,150
other month? Anybody like that idea?

4235
02:55:24,160 --> 02:55:28,800
I'm just thinking of uh for the younger

4236
02:55:28,800 --> 02:55:32,080
for me it'd be great

4237
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:35,141
and that but the younger generation

4238
02:55:35,141 --> 02:55:37,190
[clears throat]

4239
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:39,279
» yeah they I don't think they teach that

4240
02:55:39,279 --> 02:55:41,359
anymore and I think

4241
02:55:41,359 --> 02:55:45,670
>> there is a teacher

4242
02:55:45,680 --> 02:55:47,040
» and part of the problem is they do shut

4243
02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:48,960
offs and they they really have only

4244
02:55:48,960 --> 02:55:50,240
started doing them what is it every

4245
02:55:50,240 --> 02:55:52,880
other month or every

4246
02:55:52,880 --> 02:55:55,359
But even with that, because of the price

4247
02:55:55,359 --> 02:55:57,439
of what our utilities are now,

4248
02:55:57,439 --> 02:56:00,000
>> if we did, people would be in the shut

4249
02:56:00,000 --> 02:56:01,920
off every other because you missed one

4250
02:56:01,920 --> 02:56:04,960
time paying.

4251
02:56:04,960 --> 02:56:07,520
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

4252
02:56:07,520 --> 02:56:09,040
>> Okay.

4253
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:11,279
>> But I think you're right. For a lot of

4254
02:56:11,279 --> 02:56:15,990
us, that would work great.

4255
02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:18,240
» Can I sh that camera at you while you do

4256
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:21,279
that? You didn't give support. The lack

4257
02:56:21,279 --> 02:56:22,800
of work on this end would mean more work

4258
02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:24,000
on this end

4259
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:24,640
>> basically.

4260
02:56:24,640 --> 02:56:26,960
>> Yeah, I think I think you're right.

4261
02:56:26,960 --> 02:56:28,000
>> Very good thought.

4262
02:56:28,000 --> 02:56:29,760
>> How did our benefits increase? So or was

4263
02:56:29,760 --> 02:56:30,800
it just

4264
02:56:30,800 --> 02:56:33,840
>> are we expecting a much higher benefits?

4265
02:56:33,840 --> 02:56:38,720
>> What we did is so I always try to um

4266
02:56:38,720 --> 02:56:41,120
budget [clears throat] for our benefits

4267
02:56:41,120 --> 02:56:43,760
based on worst case scenario.

4268
02:56:43,760 --> 02:56:46,640
Um not saying that last year it got

4269
02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:50,640
budgeted that way or not.

4270
02:56:50,640 --> 02:56:52,800
But that would be kind of my worst case

4271
02:56:52,800 --> 02:56:53,520
scenario

4272
02:56:53,520 --> 02:57:00,790
>> cuz our actual 6700

4273
02:57:00,800 --> 02:57:02,479
» my screen just went

4274
02:57:02,479 --> 02:57:07,990
>> for 26

4275
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:10,800
» I can't

4276
02:57:10,800 --> 02:57:12,560
I know one time

4277
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:14,160
>> can't explain to me is you don't know if

4278
02:57:14,160 --> 02:57:16,880
it's going to be as far as insurance if

4279
02:57:16,880 --> 02:57:18,720
it's a single family if

4280
02:57:18,720 --> 02:57:21,760
I mean a single person a family plan. So

4281
02:57:21,760 --> 02:57:24,640
you try to always budget in for a family

4282
02:57:24,640 --> 02:57:26,880
plan in case

4283
02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:33,269
>> we are paying for the family.

4284
02:57:33,279 --> 02:57:36,469
» Sure.

4285
02:57:36,479 --> 02:57:39,040
» Yeah. I'm just curious because you know

4286
02:57:39,040 --> 02:57:41,840
our actual 6755

4287
02:57:41,840 --> 02:57:45,359
>> and our budget is 9,000.

4288
02:57:45,359 --> 02:57:46,560
So that

4289
02:57:46,560 --> 02:57:49,600
>> well the six

4290
02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:52,399
>> but that's for just 9 months be up to

4291
02:57:52,399 --> 02:57:55,359
about 9400 for the year.

4292
02:57:55,359 --> 02:57:57,359
>> Yeah. So I'm just wondering what makes

4293
02:57:57,359 --> 02:57:59,040
us think that our benefits are going to

4294
02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:02,000
>> go up to another question.

4295
02:58:02,000 --> 02:58:05,040
>> Our insurance cost did go up

4296
02:58:05,040 --> 02:58:07,103
>> price of

4297
02:58:07,103 --> 02:58:08,240
[clears throat]

4298
02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:09,439
seven%.

4299
02:58:09,439 --> 02:58:14,230
>> Is that all?

4300
02:58:14,240 --> 02:58:16,960
» I have no idea.

4301
02:58:16,960 --> 02:58:19,279
>> Okay. Yeah, it was one of the worsters

4302
02:58:19,279 --> 02:58:22,080
in a few years.

4303
02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:32,469
which I imag.

4304
02:58:32,479 --> 02:58:34,560
» Yeah, I think so.

4305
02:58:34,560 --> 02:58:36,319
>> Yeah, let's take a break for a minute.

4306
02:58:36,319 --> 02:58:38,240
>> Okay. Do we have to pause this or do we

4307
02:58:38,240 --> 02:58:41,279
just say we're taking a break?

4308
02:58:41,279 --> 02:58:42,800
>> Start back.

4309
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:48,230
>> We're back.

4310
02:58:48,240 --> 02:58:53,110
Are we implementing?

4311
02:58:53,120 --> 02:58:55,920
» I think you might as well.

4312
02:58:55,920 --> 02:58:59,670
>> What's your thoughts?

4313
02:58:59,680 --> 02:59:01,600
» We did already include merchant fees,

4314
02:59:01,600 --> 02:59:03,840
didn't we?

4315
02:59:03,840 --> 02:59:09,750
>> We have

4316
02:59:09,760 --> 02:59:11,520
» No, I mean I think we're already

4317
02:59:11,520 --> 02:59:14,800
including merchant fees in there.

4318
02:59:14,800 --> 02:59:17,040
So, do we want to take out the merchant

4319
02:59:17,040 --> 02:59:18,800
fees and just add it to each individual

4320
02:59:18,800 --> 02:59:20,399
because I think we already have

4321
02:59:20,399 --> 02:59:21,920
>> Hold [clears throat] on. Just a second.

4322
02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:23,279
I'm trying to get

4323
02:59:23,279 --> 02:59:30,070
>> Okay, there we go.

4324
02:59:30,080 --> 02:59:34,080
» So, if we did merchant fees, we did

4325
02:59:34,080 --> 02:59:37,920
um So, if we're going to do credit card

4326
02:59:37,920 --> 02:59:41,590
processing

4327
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:45,510
fee,

4328
02:59:45,520 --> 02:59:48,720
And I estimated about 13

4329
02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:51,279
with a 3%.

4330
02:59:51,279 --> 02:59:53,760
Then that still just puts us 2,000 in

4331
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:56,399
the hole, 2,800 in the hole, which I

4332
02:59:56,399 --> 02:59:57,920
don't have a problem with because you

4333
02:59:57,920 --> 03:00:01,680
may have some new group new moveins. And

4334
03:00:01,680 --> 03:00:03,520
>> is that in addition to the merchant fees

4335
03:00:03,520 --> 03:00:05,359
that we already have in there?

4336
03:00:05,359 --> 03:00:07,680
>> Yeah, the that line right there.

4337
03:00:07,680 --> 03:00:10,720
>> Well, the merchant fees is right there.

4338
03:00:10,720 --> 03:00:13,040
>> That's what we're paying.

4339
03:00:13,040 --> 03:00:16,399
we would collect 13.

4340
03:00:16,399 --> 03:00:18,399
>> So I guess really that should offset one

4341
03:00:18,399 --> 03:00:21,670
another.

4342
03:00:21,680 --> 03:00:23,040
» But you'd have to implement that

4343
03:00:23,040 --> 03:00:24,880
somehow.

4344
03:00:24,880 --> 03:00:26,720
>> I think you have to just tell everybody

4345
03:00:26,720 --> 03:00:29,200
we're going to charge a 3% processing

4346
03:00:29,200 --> 03:00:33,200
fee on any credit card.

4347
03:00:33,200 --> 03:00:35,040
>> Maybe not debit card, but just credit

4348
03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:35,600
card.

4349
03:00:35,600 --> 03:00:37,520
>> And is that with express bill pay too?

4350
03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:39,120
For all those people that have signed up

4351
03:00:39,120 --> 03:00:43,840
for express bill pay would pay that.

4352
03:00:43,840 --> 03:00:48,160
anytime we process a credit card.

4353
03:00:48,160 --> 03:00:49,840
>> So, so we're trying to just not make

4354
03:00:49,840 --> 03:00:52,319
this a billing nightmare because that

4355
03:00:52,319 --> 03:00:54,000
was the problem with charging with the

4356
03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:57,920
paper bills. So, we'll have to go into

4357
03:00:57,920 --> 03:01:00,240
express bill pay and everybody that's on

4358
03:01:00,240 --> 03:01:01,840
that I'm not

4359
03:01:01,840 --> 03:01:04,800
>> I think we just call express bill pay.

4360
03:01:04,800 --> 03:01:06,000
>> Okay.

4361
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:08,540
[clears throat and snorts]

4362
03:01:08,540 --> 03:01:12,070
[cough]

4363
03:01:12,080 --> 03:01:14,399
Yeah.

4364
03:01:14,399 --> 03:01:16,800
>> Charge 2% just pass.

4365
03:01:16,800 --> 03:01:17,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat]

4366
03:01:17,920 --> 03:01:20,560
>> I agree.

4367
03:01:20,560 --> 03:01:22,800
>> So, whatever. We'll find out for sure

4368
03:01:22,800 --> 03:01:24,319
what percentage

4369
03:01:24,319 --> 03:01:26,000
>> and we'll just charge that percentage.

4370
03:01:26,000 --> 03:01:29,990
>> Express

4371
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:32,640
is an exact 2% because I know on our

4372
03:01:32,640 --> 03:01:35,840
credit card fees that there's like every

4373
03:01:35,840 --> 03:01:38,399
debit card's just 25 cents and then

4374
03:01:38,399 --> 03:01:40,800
there's a percent

4375
03:01:40,800 --> 03:01:44,319
regular credit card. If it's a rewards

4376
03:01:44,319 --> 03:01:48,080
card, then it goes up a percent or so

4377
03:01:48,080 --> 03:01:50,800
and then American Express is clear up

4378
03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:53,520
there 3.75%.

4379
03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:55,200
>> I think you'd basically just have to

4380
03:01:55,200 --> 03:01:58,560
take the average

4381
03:01:58,560 --> 03:02:00,640
>> is what you

4382
03:02:00,640 --> 03:02:02,080
close to that 3%

4383
03:02:02,080 --> 03:02:03,680
>> probably. But we do get a discount

4384
03:02:03,680 --> 03:02:06,800
because we're a city, but it may not be

4385
03:02:06,800 --> 03:02:09,120
>> enough. Yeah.

4386
03:02:09,120 --> 03:02:12,479
So, okay.

4387
03:02:12,479 --> 03:02:16,640
Like I said, 20 2,800 loss. We could

4388
03:02:16,640 --> 03:02:18,399
have new move in [clears throat] and

4389
03:02:18,399 --> 03:02:21,439
make that up easy. So, I'm not too

4390
03:02:21,439 --> 03:02:23,359
worried about as long as we're getting

4391
03:02:23,359 --> 03:02:24,319
pretty close.

4392
03:02:24,319 --> 03:02:24,800
>> Yeah.

4393
03:02:24,800 --> 03:02:26,560
And that's what the point is of

4394
03:02:26,560 --> 03:02:27,920
that garbage

4395
03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:29,520
>> is for that.

4396
03:02:29,520 --> 03:02:32,800
>> Okay. Everybody good with garbage?

4397
03:02:32,800 --> 03:02:34,720
>> What did we decide the rates are then?

4398
03:02:34,720 --> 03:02:37,840
The rates are going to be 8.75 for

4399
03:02:37,840 --> 03:02:40,880
recycling, 15 for garbage, an additional

4400
03:02:40,880 --> 03:02:42,800
count would be 1125.

4401
03:02:42,800 --> 03:02:45,920
>> So on our current schedule, our first

4402
03:02:45,920 --> 03:02:48,640
garbage count is 1550 right now, not

4403
03:02:48,640 --> 03:02:51,359
1350.

4404
03:02:51,359 --> 03:02:54,800
So we'd be decreasing all of our next

4405
03:02:54,800 --> 03:02:57,760
>> on your fee schedule. It's 1550.

4406
03:02:57,760 --> 03:02:58,960
>> Way to go.

4407
03:02:58,960 --> 03:03:05,269
>> Additional 1050. Recycling is 950.

4408
03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:07,200
That's what we're building right now is

4409
03:03:07,200 --> 03:03:09,279
15 59 10.

4410
03:03:09,279 --> 03:03:10,560
>> Well, where did I get those other

4411
03:03:10,560 --> 03:03:13,359
numbers from? My goodness.

4412
03:03:13,359 --> 03:03:14,240
>> I don't know.

4413
03:03:14,240 --> 03:03:15,200
>> Question.

4414
03:03:15,200 --> 03:03:19,279
>> That's a wonderful question.

4415
03:03:19,279 --> 03:03:23,910
Well, maybe we just keep them the same.

4416
03:03:23,920 --> 03:03:27,750
» I'm game with that. [clears throat]

4417
03:03:27,760 --> 03:03:29,200
» And will that account then if the

4418
03:03:29,200 --> 03:03:34,150
garbage goes up?

4419
03:03:34,160 --> 03:03:36,571
cost$50,000.

4420
03:03:36,571 --> 03:03:38,790
[cough and clears throat]

4421
03:03:38,800 --> 03:03:51,670
» Yeah. Okay. So,

4422
03:03:51,680 --> 03:04:01,830
Did

4423
03:04:01,840 --> 03:04:04,720
» you find that, Larry?

4424
03:04:04,720 --> 03:04:06,479
>> It's on page four.

4425
03:04:06,479 --> 03:04:09,040
>> Page four

4426
03:04:09,040 --> 03:04:17,172
under utility billing. Yellow.

4427
03:04:17,182 --> 03:04:23,670
» [snorts]

4428
03:04:23,680 --> 03:04:33,269
» So if we do

4429
03:04:33,279 --> 03:04:39,830
» Okay. So if we maintained

4430
03:04:39,840 --> 03:04:41,760
» Yeah.

4431
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:44,692
Dang. You're good, Morgan.

4432
03:04:44,692 --> 03:04:53,197
>> [laughter]

4433
03:04:53,207 --> 03:04:54,240
[snorts]

4434
03:04:54,240 --> 03:04:55,840
>> Let's make sure that's right because if

4435
03:04:55,840 --> 03:04:57,840
we could have those not go out when

4436
03:04:57,840 --> 03:05:00,000
we're doing the

4437
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:04,343
taxation that would be great.

4438
03:05:04,343 --> 03:05:04,998
[cough]

4439
03:05:04,998 --> 03:05:05,520
[clears throat]

4440
03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:09,520
>> How long we stay the same amount?

4441
03:05:09,520 --> 03:05:10,160
>> Yeah.

4442
03:05:10,160 --> 03:05:15,468
I don't know.

4443
03:05:15,478 --> 03:05:23,750
» [snorts]

4444
03:05:23,760 --> 03:05:38,070
» voodoo.

4445
03:05:38,080 --> 03:05:39,920
» Yeah, I'm looking actually at those

4446
03:05:39,920 --> 03:05:42,479
numbers.

4447
03:05:42,479 --> 03:05:44,319
I have them right here. I just have to

4448
03:05:44,319 --> 03:05:57,670
pull it up.

4449
03:05:57,680 --> 03:06:02,000
» I can get my password right. Okay. So

4450
03:06:02,000 --> 03:06:05,520
recycling one can or garbage one can

4451
03:06:05,520 --> 03:06:09,040
garbage two can five can three can four

4452
03:06:09,040 --> 03:06:11,809
can and five can

4453
03:06:11,809 --> 03:06:18,348
[sighs]

4454
03:06:18,358 --> 03:06:22,790
[clears throat]

4455
03:06:22,800 --> 03:06:33,590
snip this

4456
03:06:33,600 --> 03:06:35,680
here.

4457
03:06:35,680 --> 03:06:38,160
So,

4458
03:06:38,160 --> 03:06:41,120
this is how many we build out just last

4459
03:06:41,120 --> 03:06:44,000
month.

4460
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:49,830
So, regular garbage cans

4461
03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:51,600
1404.

4462
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:55,439
If they have two cans, then it's 1240 +

4463
03:06:55,439 --> 03:06:59,614
1240, right?

4464
03:06:59,624 --> 03:07:04,150
[snorts]

4465
03:07:04,160 --> 03:07:07,670
» Mhm.

4466
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:10,080
» Yeah. I'd argue they have more than

4467
03:07:10,080 --> 03:07:16,309
five.

4468
03:07:16,319 --> 03:07:18,479
» I thought it was it doesn't get rid of

4469
03:07:18,479 --> 03:07:20,240
weeds.

4470
03:07:20,240 --> 03:07:24,469
>> It depends what you feed.

4471
03:07:24,479 --> 03:07:28,080
Everybody tells me all the time

4472
03:07:28,080 --> 03:07:34,309
destroy the seeds.

4473
03:07:34,319 --> 03:07:37,200
» I don't get what type of manure is the

4474
03:07:37,200 --> 03:07:38,640
best.

4475
03:07:38,640 --> 03:07:42,240
>> Don't tell me that. [laughter]

4476
03:07:42,240 --> 03:07:45,200
>> I have some chickens.

4477
03:07:45,200 --> 03:07:51,670
>> I think Ryan's got me on speed though.

4478
03:07:51,680 --> 03:07:54,399
Okay. So, Morgan, if they have two cans,

4479
03:07:54,399 --> 03:07:56,479
they only get build just that two can

4480
03:07:56,479 --> 03:07:59,120
amount though, right? There, right?

4481
03:07:59,120 --> 03:08:02,000
>> Yeah. The 1550 plus 1050.

4482
03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:04,080
>> Yeah. But,

4483
03:08:04,080 --> 03:08:07,279
so really 1,240

4484
03:08:07,279 --> 03:08:10,000
people have a can.

4485
03:08:10,000 --> 03:08:12,160
>> And so, if I'm doing just the regular

4486
03:08:12,160 --> 03:08:19,600
count, I'd do 1 1440 12 40

4487
03:08:19,600 --> 03:08:22,240
7152.

4488
03:08:22,240 --> 03:08:25,840
So that's really the amount that we have

4489
03:08:25,840 --> 03:08:27,840
of units.

4490
03:08:27,840 --> 03:08:31,760
And then for the second can,

4491
03:08:31,760 --> 03:08:34,000
you really have

4492
03:08:34,000 --> 03:08:38,640
1240 + 217 + 117

4493
03:08:38,640 --> 03:08:50,310
+ 15 + 15 + 15 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2.

4494
03:08:50,320 --> 03:08:51,439
» [cough and clears throat]

4495
03:08:51,439 --> 03:08:52,880
>> I trust you.

4496
03:08:52,880 --> 03:08:56,950
>> I wouldn't trust me. [laughter]

4497
03:08:56,960 --> 03:08:58,880
» Recycling,

4498
03:08:58,880 --> 03:09:01,279
>> we just have 1219.

4499
03:09:01,279 --> 03:09:03,840
>> So, this was last month's billings, how

4500
03:09:03,840 --> 03:09:06,960
many we sent out.

4501
03:09:06,960 --> 03:09:10,000
>> So, if we stay at that rate,

4502
03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:13,680
>> we're actually 33 negative.

4503
03:09:13,680 --> 03:09:16,000
So Ryan, if I look at last month's

4504
03:09:16,000 --> 03:09:19,439
billing and put in the amount of units,

4505
03:09:19,439 --> 03:09:22,319
if I put in those rates there, keep the

4506
03:09:22,319 --> 03:09:24,080
same. We're at 33 negative.

4507
03:09:24,080 --> 03:09:25,120
>> That makes sense.

4508
03:09:25,120 --> 03:09:26,000
>> Or we can't.

4509
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:27,840
>> That's what we just You're exactly

4510
03:09:27,840 --> 03:09:28,240
right.

4511
03:09:28,240 --> 03:09:29,520
>> $30,000.

4512
03:09:29,520 --> 03:09:33,349
>> Yeah.

4513
03:09:33,359 --> 03:09:36,640
» So what if we went to what if we did

4514
03:09:36,640 --> 03:09:39,600
this route? Um

4515
03:09:39,600 --> 03:09:43,376
just a thought process here.

4516
03:09:43,376 --> 03:09:51,349
>> [clears throat]

4517
03:09:51,359 --> 03:09:53,840
» up to everything 50 cents.

4518
03:09:53,840 --> 03:09:54,880
>> You're there.

4519
03:09:54,880 --> 03:09:55,760
>> Yeah.

4520
03:09:55,760 --> 03:09:58,160
>> Everything Everything 50 cents. That's

4521
03:09:58,160 --> 03:09:59,120
not a bad increase.

4522
03:09:59,120 --> 03:10:01,279
>> No, that sounds okay, don't you think?

4523
03:10:01,279 --> 03:10:02,399
>> Yeah. I mean, we're getting

4524
03:10:02,399 --> 03:10:05,520
>> We have to cover.

4525
03:10:05,520 --> 03:10:07,439
>> Everybody else is doing I mean,

4526
03:10:07,439 --> 03:10:10,240
>> we're just passing on the cost.

4527
03:10:10,240 --> 03:10:12,240
>> Not We're not making money on this

4528
03:10:12,240 --> 03:10:12,479
stuff.

4529
03:10:12,479 --> 03:10:14,479
>> Yeah, I pulled this report meaning to

4530
03:10:14,479 --> 03:10:15,760
burn it off before I came in.

4531
03:10:15,760 --> 03:10:17,359
>> You can't lose money, especially if

4532
03:10:17,359 --> 03:10:19,200
we're gonna put the stuff over in

4533
03:10:19,200 --> 03:10:24,950
Larry's backyard. [laughter]

4534
03:10:24,960 --> 03:10:26,399
» Okay.

4535
03:10:26,399 --> 03:10:28,160
>> And did we build in a little bit

4536
03:10:28,160 --> 03:10:30,800
increase for the tipping fee in case we

4537
03:10:30,800 --> 03:10:31,120
did?

4538
03:10:31,120 --> 03:10:33,600
>> Um, for the tipping fee, we did increase

4539
03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:36,479
it a little bit. About 5% is all we did.

4540
03:10:36,479 --> 03:10:37,439
>> That sounds good.

4541
03:10:37,439 --> 03:10:38,880
>> I don't know that it will, but it's

4542
03:10:38,880 --> 03:10:42,160
always better to go Yeah, definitely.

4543
03:10:42,160 --> 03:10:44,160
And if we end up with excess, I don't

4544
03:10:44,160 --> 03:10:45,840
have a problem not increasing so much

4545
03:10:45,840 --> 03:10:46,720
the following year.

4546
03:10:46,720 --> 03:10:47,279
>> Yeah.

4547
03:10:47,279 --> 03:10:49,439
>> You know, so

4548
03:10:49,439 --> 03:10:52,319
>> Okay, ready Jared?

4549
03:10:52,319 --> 03:10:53,920
>> Sure.

4550
03:10:53,920 --> 03:10:57,680
>> Here is our storm water.

4551
03:10:57,680 --> 03:11:02,399
>> We have that 5900 West project.

4552
03:11:02,399 --> 03:11:05,040
>> And is it still 880? [clears throat] Are

4553
03:11:05,040 --> 03:11:06,880
we still thinking 880 is going to cover

4554
03:11:06,880 --> 03:11:07,760
it?

4555
03:11:07,760 --> 03:11:08,640
>> Yeah.

4556
03:11:08,640 --> 03:11:11,279
>> Heard rumors.

4557
03:11:11,279 --> 03:11:13,040
that it wasn't going to cover it.

4558
03:11:13,040 --> 03:11:15,359
>> I think it'll be

4559
03:11:15,359 --> 03:11:18,160
less than that, but then with inflation

4560
03:11:18,160 --> 03:11:21,359
from when those were calculated, I just

4561
03:11:21,359 --> 03:11:22,800
>> Okay.

4562
03:11:22,800 --> 03:11:28,240
>> So, it's less is what's it less

4563
03:11:28,240 --> 03:11:30,800
>> I think the 880. So, we just put a

4564
03:11:30,800 --> 03:11:32,399
projected

4565
03:11:32,399 --> 03:11:34,720
amount together and it included some

4566
03:11:34,720 --> 03:11:36,240
things that we really won't write a

4567
03:11:36,240 --> 03:11:38,720
check for like mobilization. They're

4568
03:11:38,720 --> 03:11:39,680
part of

4569
03:11:39,680 --> 03:11:42,240
project, but that's probably there's

4570
03:11:42,240 --> 03:11:44,960
going to be other costs that go over.

4571
03:11:44,960 --> 03:11:49,439
So, I would say just leave it there.

4572
03:11:49,439 --> 03:11:51,120
The answer really is kind of just a

4573
03:11:51,120 --> 03:11:53,840
rough guess. We don't know for sure and

4574
03:11:53,840 --> 03:12:18,469
we've got to get comm

4575
03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:21,359
» water protection program

4576
03:12:21,359 --> 03:12:23,600
know a lot about that.

4577
03:12:23,600 --> 03:12:25,200
>> You know why?

4578
03:12:25,200 --> 03:12:29,738
>> Guess who the guy is at.

4579
03:12:29,748 --> 03:12:31,359
[laughter]

4580
03:12:31,359 --> 03:12:33,359
>> So if you got questions, feel free to

4581
03:12:33,359 --> 03:12:40,790
call it.

4582
03:12:40,800 --> 03:12:42,560
If it work, if everything works out like

4583
03:12:42,560 --> 03:12:44,399
it was supposed to, he'll do all of the

4584
03:12:44,399 --> 03:12:48,080
labor equipment and labor and we justify

4585
03:12:48,080 --> 03:12:50,880
the gra.

4586
03:12:50,880 --> 03:12:53,439
>> Okay. So, with our storm water, we had

4587
03:12:53,439 --> 03:12:57,120
talked about doing from 8 to up from six

4588
03:12:57,120 --> 03:13:04,080
up to eight as the price. Um, with that,

4589
03:13:04,080 --> 03:13:06,640
um, I just filled in 4,200 for a

4590
03:13:06,640 --> 03:13:09,840
processing fee for the credit cards. did

4591
03:13:09,840 --> 03:13:13,279
the 3% calculation there.

4592
03:13:13,279 --> 03:13:15,600
Um, we've got some maintenance, some

4593
03:13:15,600 --> 03:13:19,120
engineering fees, um, sweeping you have

4594
03:13:19,120 --> 03:13:22,560
to have thanks to SWIP. Uh, your storm

4595
03:13:22,560 --> 03:13:24,880
drain pumps. Um, a little bit

4596
03:13:24,880 --> 03:13:27,680
maintenance, salaries and wages,

4597
03:13:27,680 --> 03:13:30,319
benefits. Um, we don't have any

4598
03:13:30,319 --> 03:13:33,680
training, but I believe isn't the

4599
03:13:33,680 --> 03:13:37,520
coalition free. We could send somebody

4600
03:13:37,520 --> 03:13:39,760
>> does some training. that in the

4601
03:13:39,760 --> 03:13:42,560
engineering as well. So,

4602
03:13:42,560 --> 03:13:46,000
>> okay. Okay. So, with that 880, we're at

4603
03:13:46,000 --> 03:13:48,800
a deficit of 620.

4604
03:13:48,800 --> 03:13:51,279
Sounds really yucky, but here's the real

4605
03:13:51,279 --> 03:13:53,120
yucky part.

4606
03:13:53,120 --> 03:13:54,080
>> It's worse.

4607
03:13:54,080 --> 03:13:56,209
>> Oh, yeah. I can make it worse.

4608
03:13:56,209 --> 03:13:57,279
[laughter]

4609
03:13:57,279 --> 03:13:59,200
Um, your fund balance at the end of

4610
03:13:59,200 --> 03:14:02,960
fiscal year 25 was 8.65 65 with our

4611
03:14:02,960 --> 03:14:05,439
income for this year minus our expenses

4612
03:14:05,439 --> 03:14:07,344
for this year

4613
03:14:07,344 --> 03:14:08,800
[clears throat] brings your fund balance

4614
03:14:08,800 --> 03:14:10,960
to 811.

4615
03:14:10,960 --> 03:14:13,200
Your income for next year, your expenses

4616
03:14:13,200 --> 03:14:15,359
for next year makes our fund balance at

4617
03:14:15,359 --> 03:14:16,319
191.

4618
03:14:16,319 --> 03:14:18,479
>> So in three years we're exhausting our

4619
03:14:18,479 --> 03:14:19,840
fund balance.

4620
03:14:19,840 --> 03:14:21,680
>> Um pretty much in one year we're

4621
03:14:21,680 --> 03:14:24,160
exhausting our fund balance because of

4622
03:14:24,160 --> 03:14:27,600
that $880,000 project.

4623
03:14:27,600 --> 03:14:30,000
You do have the option that you could

4624
03:14:30,000 --> 03:14:32,319
take some of the money that you just

4625
03:14:32,319 --> 03:14:35,040
saved with your capital projects and

4626
03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:38,160
transfer it to here. You can transfer

4627
03:14:38,160 --> 03:14:43,439
from general fund to an enterprise fund.

4628
03:14:43,439 --> 03:14:46,319
that as an option or you can accept the

4629
03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:49,840
fact that you do this and you will not

4630
03:14:49,840 --> 03:14:51,920
be able to fund any additional storm

4631
03:14:51,920 --> 03:14:54,239
water projects

4632
03:14:54,239 --> 03:14:56,560
and you better hope nothing falls in

4633
03:14:56,560 --> 03:14:58,479
that the general fund can't pick up for

4634
03:14:58,479 --> 03:15:00,239
you.

4635
03:15:00,239 --> 03:15:01,920
>> I might have missed it. Did you already

4636
03:15:01,920 --> 03:15:04,160
have in here that all that we have to do

4637
03:15:04,160 --> 03:15:07,439
for the audit? We had all those

4638
03:15:07,439 --> 03:15:08,880
>> that's part of that engineering I

4639
03:15:08,880 --> 03:15:11,520
believe is what we built that sweeping

4640
03:15:11,520 --> 03:15:13,760
was part of it. Wasn't

4641
03:15:13,760 --> 03:15:15,920
Is that including everything that we had

4642
03:15:15,920 --> 03:15:17,680
to get done as far as the

4643
03:15:17,680 --> 03:15:19,600
>> I think we've done everything but the

4644
03:15:19,600 --> 03:15:20,800
mapping

4645
03:15:20,800 --> 03:15:22,640
>> which it sounds like Larry's saving us a

4646
03:15:22,640 --> 03:15:24,160
bunch on that.

4647
03:15:24,160 --> 03:15:29,030
Good job.

4648
03:15:29,040 --> 03:15:33,760
» Yeah. Yeah. I It's way too much.

4649
03:15:33,760 --> 03:15:38,380
>> That golf cart's a savior.

4650
03:15:38,390 --> 03:15:40,160
[laughter]

4651
03:15:40,160 --> 03:15:44,399
>> Um so we we would end up with just 191

4652
03:15:44,399 --> 03:15:47,040
with capital projects.

4653
03:15:47,040 --> 03:15:51,680
We had excess of 137. So we could

4654
03:15:51,680 --> 03:15:54,160
transfer that over. That part of that

4655
03:15:54,160 --> 03:15:58,479
big um push why we did the uh impact

4656
03:15:58,479 --> 03:16:02,000
fees studies is because part of that

4657
03:16:02,000 --> 03:16:05,279
will help us here. We had 120 here that

4658
03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:07,279
we spent on that. Hoping that we can get

4659
03:16:07,279 --> 03:16:10,479
some impact fees coming in here, but we

4660
03:16:10,479 --> 03:16:14,319
don't know what those will be yet.

4661
03:16:14,319 --> 03:16:14,960
>> So

4662
03:16:14,960 --> 03:16:16,880
>> right now we don't have any impact fees.

4663
03:16:16,880 --> 03:16:19,760
If we delete it down to 191,000, what's

4664
03:16:19,760 --> 03:16:21,920
going to happen in 28?

4665
03:16:21,920 --> 03:16:24,560
>> Well, 28,

4666
03:16:24,560 --> 03:16:27,760
>> we would have an additional income of

4667
03:16:27,760 --> 03:16:29,359
280.

4668
03:16:29,359 --> 03:16:34,319
>> So, plus these this 165 is one time

4669
03:16:34,319 --> 03:16:36,080
money that we still have kind of sitting

4670
03:16:36,080 --> 03:16:37,840
there, but we said, "Okay, well, we'll

4671
03:16:37,840 --> 03:16:38,720
have to spend it."

4672
03:16:38,720 --> 03:16:40,160
>> So, it'll start to replenish.

4673
03:16:40,160 --> 03:16:42,160
>> Mhm. It will start to replenish

4674
03:16:42,160 --> 03:16:44,000
>> as long as nothing major comes in two or

4675
03:16:44,000 --> 03:16:44,640
three years.

4676
03:16:44,640 --> 03:16:46,640
>> Yeah.

4677
03:16:46,640 --> 03:16:49,279
There's that's probably our biggest

4678
03:16:49,279 --> 03:16:52,880
neglected utility.

4679
03:16:52,880 --> 03:16:55,120
Some of these old

4680
03:16:55,120 --> 03:16:58,239
no exaggeration 60 70 80 years and

4681
03:16:58,239 --> 03:16:59,760
they're starting to decay

4682
03:16:59,760 --> 03:17:02,640
>> in front of my house.

4683
03:17:02,640 --> 03:17:04,800
>> Your boat's on the list.

4684
03:17:04,800 --> 03:17:07,760
>> Well, it's sinking. Okay. In my front

4685
03:17:07,760 --> 03:17:10,319
yard, I can guarantee you that pipe down

4686
03:17:10,319 --> 03:17:13,600
there that was put in

4687
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:15,760
62 years ago. There's one down by the

4688
03:17:15,760 --> 03:17:17,359
cemetery that didn't you say is pretty

4689
03:17:17,359 --> 03:17:18,479
well rusted through?

4690
03:17:18,479 --> 03:17:21,120
>> Yeah, it is rusted right

4691
03:17:21,120 --> 03:17:25,120
there on 51 the same when it crosses

4692
03:17:25,120 --> 03:17:27,520
again. We patch that same pole every

4693
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:30,630
year.

4694
03:17:30,640 --> 03:17:33,040
» So those two things right there just

4695
03:17:33,040 --> 03:17:35,040
like I mean just throwing a rough off

4696
03:17:35,040 --> 03:17:36,960
the cuff number those could be million

4697
03:17:36,960 --> 03:17:39,840
dollar projects to put that big of a box

4698
03:17:39,840 --> 03:17:41,531
culbert all the way across the road

4699
03:17:41,531 --> 03:17:42,560
[clears throat]

4700
03:17:42,560 --> 03:17:44,800
temp all the utilities and get them back

4701
03:17:44,800 --> 03:17:47,600
across there. It could be a big

4702
03:17:47,600 --> 03:17:49,520
expensive project.

4703
03:17:49,520 --> 03:17:51,760
>> So, the moral of the story is we're

4704
03:17:51,760 --> 03:17:54,319
going to have to somehow fund the storm

4705
03:17:54,319 --> 03:17:56,239
water fund

4706
03:17:56,239 --> 03:17:59,040
with additional funds, maybe possibly

4707
03:17:59,040 --> 03:18:01,040
from the general fund unless anybody's

4708
03:18:01,040 --> 03:18:04,000
got any other great ideas.

4709
03:18:04,000 --> 03:18:06,160
>> One thing too to kind of think about

4710
03:18:06,160 --> 03:18:08,800
with Storm Drain,

4711
03:18:08,800 --> 03:18:10,640
um we're pretty good at getting the

4712
03:18:10,640 --> 03:18:12,720
developers as they come along to do

4713
03:18:12,720 --> 03:18:14,319
their part.

4714
03:18:14,319 --> 03:18:16,960
They're dumping their new infrastructure

4715
03:18:16,960 --> 03:18:19,520
into stuff that's really old. And when

4716
03:18:19,520 --> 03:18:23,040
we increase that flow after two or three

4717
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:25,200
subdivisions, we need to do some work on

4718
03:18:25,200 --> 03:18:27,120
the existing. And we've never really had

4719
03:18:27,120 --> 03:18:30,640
the ability to do that.

4720
03:18:30,640 --> 03:18:33,200
>> It isn't their it isn't necessarily

4721
03:18:33,200 --> 03:18:35,359
their obligation to take it all the way

4722
03:18:35,359 --> 03:18:37,040
to the discharge point. If they're

4723
03:18:37,040 --> 03:18:39,040
dumping it into a slooh or a ditch that

4724
03:18:39,040 --> 03:18:42,080
exists, we should be upgrading those as

4725
03:18:42,080 --> 03:18:43,520
we go.

4726
03:18:43,520 --> 03:18:45,279
I think that's where that impact fee

4727
03:18:45,279 --> 03:18:47,840
when we get that in. We can't use that

4728
03:18:47,840 --> 03:18:50,960
>> if it increases capacity. So the big

4729
03:18:50,960 --> 03:18:52,800
thing with that is you would have to say

4730
03:18:52,800 --> 03:18:55,279
okay what would it cost us to just

4731
03:18:55,279 --> 03:19:01,120
replace that item? Okay. Now what is the

4732
03:19:01,120 --> 03:19:03,920
increased capacity portion? And usually

4733
03:19:03,920 --> 03:19:06,000
your engineers will calculate that and

4734
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:06,800
they'll say

4735
03:19:06,800 --> 03:19:08,479
>> be a huge amount of increase though.

4736
03:19:08,479 --> 03:19:09,120
Does it?

4737
03:19:09,120 --> 03:19:11,040
>> No. No. I mean, you could go from an 8

4738
03:19:11,040 --> 03:19:14,080
in pipe to a 10in pipe, just to throw an

4739
03:19:14,080 --> 03:19:16,560
example out. And the additional cost to

4740
03:19:16,560 --> 03:19:19,120
move it to 10 in would be impact be

4741
03:19:19,120 --> 03:19:22,479
eligible. The 8 in would not. So, it's

4742
03:19:22,479 --> 03:19:24,560
increased capacity. It's not the whole

4743
03:19:24,560 --> 03:19:26,640
project, just the portion that increases

4744
03:19:26,640 --> 03:19:28,399
capacity.

4745
03:19:28,399 --> 03:19:30,319
So, that's the best way to explain

4746
03:19:30,319 --> 03:19:31,439
those.

4747
03:19:31,439 --> 03:19:33,680
>> Yeah. So, the downside is we haven't

4748
03:19:33,680 --> 03:19:37,990
done that for so long.

4749
03:19:38,000 --> 03:19:42,080
in it's $100, but to do the 10 in it's

4750
03:19:42,080 --> 03:19:44,800
300,000. So

4751
03:19:44,800 --> 03:19:45,840
>> that's right.

4752
03:19:45,840 --> 03:19:48,160
>> Sure. [laughter]

4753
03:19:48,160 --> 03:19:51,878
>> You get the engineer to write it.

4754
03:19:51,878 --> 03:19:52,080
[laughter]

4755
03:19:52,080 --> 03:19:53,279
>> No, but I mean there might be there

4756
03:19:53,279 --> 03:19:56,000
genuinely might be some larger scale

4757
03:19:56,000 --> 03:19:57,439
cost because you're gonna, you know, you

4758
03:19:57,439 --> 03:19:58,720
go to the bigger pup, you're going to

4759
03:19:58,720 --> 03:19:59,600
bigger everything.

4760
03:19:59,600 --> 03:20:02,800
>> Yeah. You got to dig the whole thing up.

4761
03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:03,600
>> Yeah.

4762
03:20:03,600 --> 03:20:06,800
So the thing is is I think the

4763
03:20:06,800 --> 03:20:09,840
direction I need to know is do we want

4764
03:20:09,840 --> 03:20:13,359
to just keep understand that we need I

4765
03:20:13,359 --> 03:20:17,279
like8 $8 that's $2 more a month. That's

4766
03:20:17,279 --> 03:20:20,319
not a huge amount. Is everybody okay

4767
03:20:20,319 --> 03:20:22,640
with leaving that around there? Is that

4768
03:20:22,640 --> 03:20:23,840
the direction I should go?

4769
03:20:23,840 --> 03:20:25,840
>> So how much does it change if you go

4770
03:20:25,840 --> 03:20:27,359
from 6 to 9?

4771
03:20:27,359 --> 03:20:29,920
>> From 6 to 9 we can certainly figure that

4772
03:20:29,920 --> 03:20:30,800
out.

4773
03:20:30,800 --> 03:20:32,880
>> One thing while she's doing that so that

4774
03:20:32,880 --> 03:20:36,479
project the 800,000.

4775
03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:39,120
The only urgency I would say with that

4776
03:20:39,120 --> 03:20:43,200
is if we lose the participation from the

4777
03:20:43,200 --> 03:20:44,960
developer,

4778
03:20:44,960 --> 03:20:46,880
>> then we're on the hook to fix the whole

4779
03:20:46,880 --> 03:20:50,160
thing labor and pipe. So could

4780
03:20:50,160 --> 03:20:52,319
essentially like double in cost if we

4781
03:20:52,319 --> 03:20:54,720
lose the developer participation.

4782
03:20:54,720 --> 03:20:56,640
>> How was that?

4783
03:20:56,640 --> 03:21:02,950
>> Yeah. Is that contracted?

4784
03:21:02,960 --> 03:21:09,030
Well, he's on his last phase.

4785
03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:10,880
» This is Robert.

4786
03:21:10,880 --> 03:21:14,960
>> He started his last phase now

4787
03:21:14,960 --> 03:21:16,800
just

4788
03:21:16,800 --> 03:21:18,399
>> but I mean that was his agreement. So is

4789
03:21:18,399 --> 03:21:20,319
that contractual binding? I mean do we

4790
03:21:20,319 --> 03:21:22,399
or was that just a handshake?

4791
03:21:22,399 --> 03:21:25,040
>> No, it's in his developers.

4792
03:21:25,040 --> 03:21:27,600
>> It's not

4793
03:21:27,600 --> 03:21:31,680
% specific as far as he has some

4794
03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:35,040
questions but Jared

4795
03:21:35,040 --> 03:21:37,359
emails from Tracy Allen that pretty well

4796
03:21:37,359 --> 03:21:39,920
solidify what he was he did he did bring

4797
03:21:39,920 --> 03:21:41,840
up one point there's a portion of it

4798
03:21:41,840 --> 03:21:44,720
that I don't think he's should be liable

4799
03:21:44,720 --> 03:21:48,160
to supply the labor on that we may have

4800
03:21:48,160 --> 03:21:49,920
to

4801
03:21:49,920 --> 03:21:53,520
you know pay labor on

4802
03:21:53,520 --> 03:21:57,120
and the benefit that that he got from

4803
03:21:57,120 --> 03:21:59,760
What we didn't make him do far exceeds

4804
03:21:59,760 --> 03:22:01,760
the cost that he gave the mayor that

4805
03:22:01,760 --> 03:22:03,439
it's going to cost him to put the pipe

4806
03:22:03,439 --> 03:22:05,120
in. So

4807
03:22:05,120 --> 03:22:11,510
>> a lot

4808
03:22:11,520 --> 03:22:13,359
Jared probably wouldn't have even

4809
03:22:13,359 --> 03:22:14,080
[clears throat] worked.

4810
03:22:14,080 --> 03:22:15,760
>> We couldn't get it to work. That's why

4811
03:22:15,760 --> 03:22:19,520
we ended up doing that improvement.

4812
03:22:19,520 --> 03:22:41,670
We could never get his detention bas.

4813
03:22:41,680 --> 03:22:44,800
» If we went to nine, it's 311.

4814
03:22:44,800 --> 03:22:52,550
That basically gives us 223.

4815
03:22:52,560 --> 03:22:54,960
But I mean, are we doing too many?

4816
03:22:54,960 --> 03:22:57,200
>> Yeah, that's what I'm think.

4817
03:22:57,200 --> 03:22:58,399
But at the end, we're going to look at

4818
03:22:58,399 --> 03:22:59,920
this and go, we just did $30.

4819
03:22:59,920 --> 03:23:04,000
>> I got $2 this year next year.

4820
03:23:04,000 --> 03:23:07,520
>> Okay, let's let's go that route then. I

4821
03:23:07,520 --> 03:23:11,920
think that's going to be our better.

4822
03:23:11,920 --> 03:23:15,600
And I mean eight is not

4823
03:23:15,600 --> 03:23:17,600
I I haven't looked for a while but I

4824
03:23:17,600 --> 03:23:22,239
know that eight is not out of line. So

4825
03:23:22,239 --> 03:23:24,560
at the end of this school year 27 we're

4826
03:23:24,560 --> 03:23:27,200
looking about 187 fund balances.

4827
03:23:27,200 --> 03:23:28,640
>> Just so you're fully aware.

4828
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:30,560
>> Did you just go I thought I just said

4829
03:23:30,560 --> 03:23:32,560
you just go 6 to8 and then you went six

4830
03:23:32,560 --> 03:23:36,389
to eight again.

4831
03:23:36,399 --> 03:23:40,479
I had it couple different

4832
03:23:40,479 --> 03:23:44,319
>> but then when the next

4833
03:23:44,319 --> 03:23:46,399
would go from eight if we up to two

4834
03:23:46,399 --> 03:23:49,120
again

4835
03:23:49,120 --> 03:23:51,279
>> but that being the following year. Yeah.

4836
03:23:51,279 --> 03:23:52,880
And we'll address that when it comes

4837
03:23:52,880 --> 03:24:01,190
down [clears throat] to the same

4838
03:24:01,200 --> 03:24:04,000
» Okay. Okay. But just so you're aware,

4839
03:24:04,000 --> 03:24:05,760
you know, that definitely is hurting on

4840
03:24:05,760 --> 03:24:08,080
the fund balance. So basically, you

4841
03:24:08,080 --> 03:24:09,840
know, we're not going to be able to plan

4842
03:24:09,840 --> 03:24:11,920
any projects really out of there for a

4843
03:24:11,920 --> 03:24:13,439
while is what I'm trying to get.

4844
03:24:13,439 --> 03:24:14,960
>> But this is something we needed. So it's

4845
03:24:14,960 --> 03:24:16,160
kind of one of those things, right?

4846
03:24:16,160 --> 03:24:17,600
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's just one of those

4847
03:24:17,600 --> 03:24:20,560
things, but I want the council full

4848
03:24:20,560 --> 03:24:23,040
disclosure, you know,

4849
03:24:23,040 --> 03:24:25,680
>> transfers fund.

4850
03:24:25,680 --> 03:24:27,600
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's if we don't put any

4851
03:24:27,600 --> 03:24:29,200
money into it from the fund.

4852
03:24:29,200 --> 03:24:31,040
>> That's if we don't have any growth.

4853
03:24:31,040 --> 03:24:33,600
>> Yeah.

4854
03:24:33,600 --> 03:24:35,760
So

4855
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:38,160
>> that's my pessimistic

4856
03:24:38,160 --> 03:24:39,120
>> approach. [laughter]

4857
03:24:39,120 --> 03:24:40,640
>> Worst case scenario, we have a surplus

4858
03:24:40,640 --> 03:24:42,000
of money is what I just said.

4859
03:24:42,000 --> 03:24:42,319
>> Yeah.

4860
03:24:42,319 --> 03:24:44,011
>> Even though

4861
03:24:44,011 --> 03:24:46,560
[laughter] we're still not a project.

4862
03:24:46,560 --> 03:24:47,040
>> Yeah.

4863
03:24:47,040 --> 03:24:48,479
>> Yep.

4864
03:24:48,479 --> 03:24:50,399
>> Okay.

4865
03:24:50,399 --> 03:24:51,520
>> We'll get to the [clears throat] fun

4866
03:24:51,520 --> 03:24:54,720
one. Jared, you ready for this one?

4867
03:24:54,720 --> 03:24:57,767
>> Sure.

4868
03:24:57,767 --> 03:24:58,880
[laughter]

4869
03:24:58,880 --> 03:25:02,479
>> How'd you know, Ryan?

4870
03:25:02,479 --> 03:25:08,389
lucky guess.

4871
03:25:08,399 --> 03:25:13,030
» It is going to be

4872
03:25:13,040 --> 03:25:16,319
» Let's start with five or

4873
03:25:16,319 --> 03:25:18,399
>> Yeah,

4874
03:25:18,399 --> 03:25:20,319
>> we're going to jump between four and

4875
03:25:20,319 --> 03:25:23,200
five.

4876
03:25:23,200 --> 03:25:24,640
>> You know, let's just start with section

4877
03:25:24,640 --> 03:25:27,750
four.

4878
03:25:27,760 --> 03:25:32,239
» You don't get the pretty colors first.

4879
03:25:32,239 --> 03:25:37,510
the sewer.

4880
03:25:37,520 --> 03:25:40,399
» Sewer.

4881
03:25:40,399 --> 03:25:42,880
>> Okay.

4882
03:25:42,880 --> 03:25:45,600
So, I'll go through where I'm at with

4883
03:25:45,600 --> 03:25:47,920
everything with it and then

4884
03:25:47,920 --> 03:25:49,840
>> can we start by identifying what the TNT

4885
03:25:49,840 --> 03:25:50,800
checklist is.

4886
03:25:50,800 --> 03:25:54,399
>> Oh, yes. Thank you.

4887
03:25:54,399 --> 03:25:55,200
>> Be on the [clears throat] straight and

4888
03:25:55,200 --> 03:25:55,520
narrow.

4889
03:25:55,520 --> 03:25:56,880
>> It's like a scavenger hunt.

4890
03:25:56,880 --> 03:25:59,359
>> It is. It's fun, huh? I did that on

4891
03:25:59,359 --> 03:26:00,647
purpose.

4892
03:26:00,647 --> 03:26:02,000
>> [laughter]

4893
03:26:02,000 --> 03:26:09,349
>> uh finance charge.

4894
03:26:09,359 --> 03:26:13,590
Okay.

4895
03:26:13,600 --> 03:26:17,510
» She's so good. [laughter]

4896
03:26:17,520 --> 03:26:20,800
Okay. Um,

4897
03:26:20,800 --> 03:26:23,439
so first off though, if we're going to

4898
03:26:23,439 --> 03:26:26,720
charge that um fee

4899
03:26:26,720 --> 03:26:28,640
instead of paper bill fee, I'm going to

4900
03:26:28,640 --> 03:26:30,880
put in here

4901
03:26:30,880 --> 03:26:36,950
credit card processing fee.

4902
03:26:36,960 --> 03:26:38,560
And we'll have to get better numbers on

4903
03:26:38,560 --> 03:26:41,910
this.

4904
03:26:41,920 --> 03:26:46,550
» Yeah.

4905
03:26:46,560 --> 03:26:48,463
twice as much.

4906
03:26:48,463 --> 03:26:49,120
[clears throat]

4907
03:26:49,120 --> 03:26:51,200
>> But but they but last year they did a

4908
03:26:51,200 --> 03:26:52,720
truth and taxation and they were one

4909
03:26:52,720 --> 03:26:54,239
that didn't get it.

4910
03:26:54,239 --> 03:26:56,640
>> So they're not doing it this year. But I

4911
03:26:56,640 --> 03:26:58,720
think we're just catching up from what

4912
03:26:58,720 --> 03:27:00,080
they

4913
03:27:00,080 --> 03:27:02,239
>> How come if they because the way I just

4914
03:27:02,239 --> 03:27:05,200
understood this was if we don't do it

4915
03:27:05,200 --> 03:27:07,520
that it goes down goes down goes down.

4916
03:27:07,520 --> 03:27:12,720
How come they don't do it goes up? Their

4917
03:27:12,720 --> 03:27:14,720
revenue doesn't go up for their property

4918
03:27:14,720 --> 03:27:17,040
tax portion, but their collection fee

4919
03:27:17,040 --> 03:27:18,080
portion.

4920
03:27:18,080 --> 03:27:23,110
>> They didn't get any property tax.

4921
03:27:23,120 --> 03:27:24,880
» So, this as a city, we can't just charge

4922
03:27:24,880 --> 03:27:27,439
a fee as a city. So, it doesn't work.

4923
03:27:27,439 --> 03:27:31,120
>> You can charge fees, but you have to

4924
03:27:31,120 --> 03:27:33,760
Yeah, you have to have a backbone behind

4925
03:27:33,760 --> 03:27:34,800
it,

4926
03:27:34,800 --> 03:27:36,880
>> which is something we could entertain at

4927
03:27:36,880 --> 03:27:38,239
some point in time. I'm not saying you

4928
03:27:38,239 --> 03:27:39,359
want to do it this year when you're

4929
03:27:39,359 --> 03:27:41,680
doing truth and taxation, but you can do

4930
03:27:41,680 --> 03:27:44,239
a transportation fee.

4931
03:27:44,239 --> 03:27:46,800
>> I've heard it's just

4932
03:27:46,800 --> 03:27:47,840
>> not worth it though.

4933
03:27:47,840 --> 03:27:51,680
>> Yeah. And you charge an imp or a utility

4934
03:27:51,680 --> 03:27:59,269
charge for the driving down your roads.

4935
03:27:59,279 --> 03:28:01,680
» It was at first.

4936
03:28:01,680 --> 03:28:03,200
>> Yeah.

4937
03:28:03,200 --> 03:28:05,439
>> Oh, yeah. I've gone through implementing

4938
03:28:05,439 --> 03:28:07,359
it and it's not my favorite thing.

4939
03:28:07,359 --> 03:28:09,439
explain to the people. It's that

4940
03:28:09,439 --> 03:28:13,120
difficult. I don't want to be like

4941
03:28:13,120 --> 03:28:14,560
I don't like that. I don't like that

4942
03:28:14,560 --> 03:28:15,840
idea.

4943
03:28:15,840 --> 03:28:18,239
>> And you have to have a backbone as to

4944
03:28:18,239 --> 03:28:20,479
how you calculate that fee

4945
03:28:20,479 --> 03:28:23,359
>> for the state auditor. And I believe a

4946
03:28:23,359 --> 03:28:25,520
lot of places are just having people do

4947
03:28:25,520 --> 03:28:29,200
having like JUB do a study for it to

4948
03:28:29,200 --> 03:28:31,920
calculate it because it's just so so

4949
03:28:31,920 --> 03:28:32,399
fun.

4950
03:28:32,399 --> 03:28:32,880
>> Sorry,

4951
03:28:32,880 --> 03:28:33,439
>> you're fine.

4952
03:28:33,439 --> 03:28:48,309
>> But the reason it's different

4953
03:28:48,319 --> 03:28:49,600
just on the sewer.

4954
03:28:49,600 --> 03:28:51,120
>> So, we're just on the sewer, which is

4955
03:28:51,120 --> 03:28:53,569
tab four.

4956
03:28:53,569 --> 03:28:57,429
[clears throat]

4957
03:28:57,439 --> 03:28:59,840
» Okay.

4958
03:28:59,840 --> 03:29:04,399
So, we're estimating impact fees. again

4959
03:29:04,399 --> 03:29:06,000
impact fees. You know what they're used

4960
03:29:06,000 --> 03:29:08,239
for? They're restricted. I won't go into

4961
03:29:08,239 --> 03:29:10,319
all that again.

4962
03:29:10,319 --> 03:29:11,840
Um

4963
03:29:11,840 --> 03:29:14,640
so our sewer rate, what we basically

4964
03:29:14,640 --> 03:29:19,040
came up with was um the city increasing

4965
03:29:19,040 --> 03:29:22,640
it by about 6.25%.

4966
03:29:22,640 --> 03:29:24,640
And I'll go into that calculation in a

4967
03:29:24,640 --> 03:29:26,960
minute. Just humor me through because I

4968
03:29:26,960 --> 03:29:28,160
think you have to get the whole picture

4969
03:29:28,160 --> 03:29:30,000
to understand where we're coming at with

4970
03:29:30,000 --> 03:29:32,319
sewer. Hopefully it'll make sense at the

4971
03:29:32,319 --> 03:29:34,000
end.

4972
03:29:34,000 --> 03:29:37,279
Um, so we have a little bit of grant

4973
03:29:37,279 --> 03:29:39,439
revenue left over that we've set aside

4974
03:29:39,439 --> 03:29:44,560
for years and years and years. Um, we

4975
03:29:44,560 --> 03:29:46,399
budgeted for it this year, but I don't

4976
03:29:46,399 --> 03:29:48,319
think we're going to end up using it.

4977
03:29:48,319 --> 03:29:53,269
So, we'll budget for it this next year.

4978
03:29:53,279 --> 03:29:55,200
» ARP,

4979
03:29:55,200 --> 03:29:56,640
>> but we're not allowed to call it ARPA

4980
03:29:56,640 --> 03:29:59,069
money. Okay, that

4981
03:29:59,069 --> 03:30:00,960
[laughter]

4982
03:30:00,960 --> 03:30:03,655
>> it's going to be way more than 52.

4983
03:30:03,655 --> 03:30:04,960
[clears throat]

4984
03:30:04,960 --> 03:30:10,630
>> Maybe we won't have it then.

4985
03:30:10,640 --> 03:30:13,359
» Should we take it off?

4986
03:30:13,359 --> 03:30:15,200
Okay, we'll take it off. We can always

4987
03:30:15,200 --> 03:30:16,399
put it back.

4988
03:30:16,399 --> 03:30:18,319
>> We don't we're going to get to that

4989
03:30:18,319 --> 03:30:19,840
project.

4990
03:30:19,840 --> 03:30:22,160
>> The deteriorating manifold that we're

4991
03:30:22,160 --> 03:30:23,840
working on as we speak.

4992
03:30:23,840 --> 03:30:26,080
>> Oh, are you now? Okay. Oh, that's right.

4993
03:30:26,080 --> 03:30:28,080
We did say that this afternoon.

4994
03:30:28,080 --> 03:30:29,520
>> So, yeah, that's already going to be

4995
03:30:29,520 --> 03:30:30,000
spent.

4996
03:30:30,000 --> 03:30:31,920
>> Our biggest problem, we got the manual

4997
03:30:31,920 --> 03:30:33,840
figured out, but we've got to bypass all

4998
03:30:33,840 --> 03:30:35,520
the seage.

4999
03:30:35,520 --> 03:30:38,000
>> Yeah. Okay, let's come back to that in

5000
03:30:38,000 --> 03:30:41,760
just two seconds. So, now we have all of

5001
03:30:41,760 --> 03:30:44,800
our expenses, our utilities,

5002
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:46,640
um, central Weaver Sewer District.

5003
03:30:46,640 --> 03:30:49,680
Whatever we collect here, we match it to

5004
03:30:49,680 --> 03:30:53,840
the expense in out. So, we're just

5005
03:30:53,840 --> 03:30:56,160
trying to pass through theirs is it and

5006
03:30:56,160 --> 03:30:58,000
it has broke out on the utility bills

5007
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:01,920
now. So, that's a good thing. Um, a

5008
03:31:01,920 --> 03:31:04,800
little bit of accounting attorney.

5009
03:31:04,800 --> 03:31:06,880
Uh,

5010
03:31:06,880 --> 03:31:09,811
we won't be able to use that.

5011
03:31:09,811 --> 03:31:10,399
[clears throat]

5012
03:31:10,399 --> 03:31:12,160
Okay.

5013
03:31:12,160 --> 03:31:15,680
Um, we've got some engineering fees,

5014
03:31:15,680 --> 03:31:18,000
merchant fees,

5015
03:31:18,000 --> 03:31:23,670
information technology.

5016
03:31:23,680 --> 03:31:28,469
What's that?

5017
03:31:28,479 --> 03:31:34,229
» 5100.

5018
03:31:34,239 --> 03:31:36,960
» Yeah, I took it off just now.

5019
03:31:36,960 --> 03:31:38,720
>> Yeah, cuz we're doing it now. I thought

5020
03:31:38,720 --> 03:31:40,880
we weren't going to get it done,

5021
03:31:40,880 --> 03:31:43,920
>> but me and Jared just talked today and

5022
03:31:43,920 --> 03:31:45,520
he put me in place.

5023
03:31:45,520 --> 03:31:48,239
>> He put me back on track. [laughter]

5024
03:31:48,239 --> 03:31:52,720
So, okay. uh system maintenance,

5025
03:31:52,720 --> 03:31:54,239
equipment.

5026
03:31:54,239 --> 03:31:57,040
Um a big chunk of that is depreciation,

5027
03:31:57,040 --> 03:31:58,399
which I think I've explained

5028
03:31:58,399 --> 03:32:01,200
depreciation before. Anybody want me to

5029
03:32:01,200 --> 03:32:04,319
explain it? You good? Okay. Trust me on

5030
03:32:04,319 --> 03:32:06,640
it. Okay. [snorts] Uh salaries and

5031
03:32:06,640 --> 03:32:07,840
wages. [clears throat]

5032
03:32:07,840 --> 03:32:10,239
So then we have our loan payment which

5033
03:32:10,239 --> 03:32:13,520
is 535 next year. And then we have this

5034
03:32:13,520 --> 03:32:15,520
big number that $2 million capital

5035
03:32:15,520 --> 03:32:18,720
projects. Let's dig into that so we can

5036
03:32:18,720 --> 03:32:22,399
fully understand where we are at.

5037
03:32:22,399 --> 03:32:24,960
I'm gonna kind of let Jared

5038
03:32:24,960 --> 03:32:27,279
explain

5039
03:32:27,279 --> 03:32:29,600
our long-term project. So, it should be

5040
03:32:29,600 --> 03:32:35,670
on the next tab. Tab five.

5041
03:32:35,680 --> 03:32:37,760
» Mhm.

5042
03:32:37,760 --> 03:32:39,520
>> So, longterm capital.

5043
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:41,040
>> Yes.

5044
03:32:41,040 --> 03:32:44,319
Okay. So, right now, and Jared, if you

5045
03:32:44,319 --> 03:32:46,160
want to stop and add to these, please

5046
03:32:46,160 --> 03:32:46,720
do.

5047
03:32:46,720 --> 03:32:47,279
>> Okay.

5048
03:32:47,279 --> 03:32:51,200
>> Um, we went through the pump at um, is

5049
03:32:51,200 --> 03:32:53,439
that one still the landing pump?

5050
03:32:53,439 --> 03:32:55,520
>> That first redone.

5051
03:32:55,520 --> 03:32:57,840
Basically, we try to size it so that we

5052
03:32:57,840 --> 03:32:59,760
need a spare that when something goes

5053
03:32:59,760 --> 03:33:01,600
wrong, we just pull it out and put the

5054
03:33:01,600 --> 03:33:07,712
working and whatever one we took out.

5055
03:33:07,712 --> 03:33:10,080
[cough] Keep a spare. It says upper

5056
03:33:10,080 --> 03:33:13,200
landings leg they actually fit. We need

5057
03:33:13,200 --> 03:33:16,080
two sizes and they fit multiple just

5058
03:33:16,080 --> 03:33:18,479
kind of whatever one breaks down. So the

5059
03:33:18,479 --> 03:33:20,560
hooker landings like you could change

5060
03:33:20,560 --> 03:33:24,319
but we had two redundant pumps as of a

5061
03:33:24,319 --> 03:33:26,560
month ago. They're both in service as we

5062
03:33:26,560 --> 03:33:30,640
speak. So out of our

5063
03:33:30,640 --> 03:33:33,040
>> So that note says 22 pumps possible

5064
03:33:33,040 --> 03:33:35,040
every year. So what what does that mean?

5065
03:33:35,040 --> 03:33:38,800
22 pumps total there. We're possibly

5066
03:33:38,800 --> 03:33:40,880
putting one a year. We're just kind of

5067
03:33:40,880 --> 03:33:43,600
projecting out 20 one each year.

5068
03:33:43,600 --> 03:33:48,000
>> How what is the life of a pump 20 years?

5069
03:33:48,000 --> 03:33:50,399
>> They're usually rated on our electric

5070
03:33:50,399 --> 03:33:53,200
pumps that are hard to say. I mean, some

5071
03:33:53,200 --> 03:33:54,720
of them are original and still

5072
03:33:54,720 --> 03:33:57,439
functioning. The one that went down last

5073
03:33:57,439 --> 03:33:59,279
week was the one that we replaced

5074
03:33:59,279 --> 03:33:59,760
already.

5075
03:33:59,760 --> 03:34:00,640
>> Oh, really?

5076
03:34:00,640 --> 03:34:02,319
>> And we're hoping it's under warranty.

5077
03:34:02,319 --> 03:34:03,439
>> That's what I was going to ask. They're

5078
03:34:03,439 --> 03:34:06,399
going to warrant them.

5079
03:34:06,399 --> 03:34:07,920
>> Yeah.

5080
03:34:07,920 --> 03:34:10,160
Uh some of the pumps in the vacuum

5081
03:34:10,160 --> 03:34:11,902
station are rated at $20,000

5082
03:34:11,902 --> 03:34:14,160
[clears throat] and they've got like 37

5083
03:34:14,160 --> 03:34:16,479
38,000 on them.

5084
03:34:16,479 --> 03:34:18,560
>> So realistically, we probably need to

5085
03:34:18,560 --> 03:34:20,399
budget to replace one a year.

5086
03:34:20,399 --> 03:34:20,800
>> Yeah.

5087
03:34:20,800 --> 03:34:23,680
>> Just so that we don't end up owing five

5088
03:34:23,680 --> 03:34:25,200
a year in one year.

5089
03:34:25,200 --> 03:34:26,239
>> Yeah, that's my question. Because if

5090
03:34:26,239 --> 03:34:28,399
you've got them like

5091
03:34:28,399 --> 03:34:29,920
20,000 hours and we know we're already

5092
03:34:29,920 --> 03:34:32,080
at 30 something thousand, like do we in

5093
03:34:32,080 --> 03:34:33,760
my mind I see this in like a spreadsheet

5094
03:34:33,760 --> 03:34:35,760
and we can go all right here's these 15

5095
03:34:35,760 --> 03:34:38,479
that are past their life cycle

5096
03:34:38,479 --> 03:34:39,920
>> and at any point we could have three or

5097
03:34:39,920 --> 03:34:41,760
four of those go out and break budget.

5098
03:34:41,760 --> 03:34:44,640
>> I think our our goal here was to chip

5099
03:34:44,640 --> 03:34:46,800
away at it raising

5100
03:34:46,800 --> 03:34:48,960
>> Yeah. I mean, when we came up with this

5101
03:34:48,960 --> 03:34:50,800
originally last year, we said,

5102
03:34:50,800 --> 03:34:53,439
"Everything's an emergency."

5103
03:34:53,439 --> 03:34:54,160
Jared's [clears throat] sitting there

5104
03:34:54,160 --> 03:34:56,720
like, "Well, it's all breaking. Where do

5105
03:34:56,720 --> 03:34:58,720
I start?" And I says, "Give me numbers.

5106
03:34:58,720 --> 03:35:01,359
Give me a list of everything you can

5107
03:35:01,359 --> 03:35:03,520
come up with and then let's try and put

5108
03:35:03,520 --> 03:35:05,920
it over the next 5 years and see where

5109
03:35:05,920 --> 03:35:08,880
we're at." And then we said, "Oh crap,

5110
03:35:08,880 --> 03:35:11,040
now we got to change this thought and

5111
03:35:11,040 --> 03:35:13,439
rethink it and keep going." And this is

5112
03:35:13,439 --> 03:35:15,359
totally meant to be moving. You know,

5113
03:35:15,359 --> 03:35:17,840
it's a moving target. This is just a

5114
03:35:17,840 --> 03:35:21,760
best guess to say, oh, if if we we don't

5115
03:35:21,760 --> 03:35:24,160
want to come up with five million in one

5116
03:35:24,160 --> 03:35:26,000
year, you know,

5117
03:35:26,000 --> 03:35:27,680
>> $2 million sewer fee hanging over our

5118
03:35:27,680 --> 03:35:28,000
head.

5119
03:35:28,000 --> 03:35:28,960
>> Yeah.

5120
03:35:28,960 --> 03:35:32,160
>> Exactly. So, okay. Vacuum.

5121
03:35:32,160 --> 03:35:33,760
>> Kind of one of those things. I mean, say

5122
03:35:33,760 --> 03:35:36,800
we bought hoping to get two with that

5123
03:35:36,800 --> 03:35:39,279
50,000. If they both go out, I'm

5124
03:35:39,279 --> 03:35:40,720
probably going to be asking you to get

5125
03:35:40,720 --> 03:35:43,359
another redundant one because

5126
03:35:43,359 --> 03:35:46,720
>> what do we do?

5127
03:35:46,720 --> 03:35:49,279
But we hope we can get those to last

5128
03:35:49,279 --> 03:35:51,120
until we get to the next cycle.

5129
03:35:51,120 --> 03:35:54,319
>> How long does it take to get one in?

5130
03:35:54,319 --> 03:35:58,160
>> The last one was about six months.

5131
03:35:58,160 --> 03:35:59,680
>> That That's something that's really

5132
03:35:59,680 --> 03:36:01,600
changed in my career. When I first

5133
03:36:01,600 --> 03:36:03,120
started, we first got in the sewer

5134
03:36:03,120 --> 03:36:05,359
business, we could take one of our pumps

5135
03:36:05,359 --> 03:36:07,439
over to OGman and have it repaired in

5136
03:36:07,439 --> 03:36:10,479
about a week. Now you send them in and

5137
03:36:10,479 --> 03:36:12,399
if you hear back what's wrong with them

5138
03:36:12,399 --> 03:36:14,880
in a couple of months then they order

5139
03:36:14,880 --> 03:36:17,200
parts for a couple of months.

5140
03:36:17,200 --> 03:36:19,629
>> Didn't you say there's only one

5141
03:36:19,629 --> 03:36:20,239
[clears throat]

5142
03:36:20,239 --> 03:36:21,200
services there?

5143
03:36:21,200 --> 03:36:26,229
>> Oh, there's there's a few.

5144
03:36:26,239 --> 03:36:29,120
» Then we have the vacuum pump exchange.

5145
03:36:29,120 --> 03:36:33,120
We've got three each year that we're

5146
03:36:33,120 --> 03:36:35,760
trying to do. One, two, three for the

5147
03:36:35,760 --> 03:36:38,160
next three years and then to one. So

5148
03:36:38,160 --> 03:36:40,319
this year we did three, we're trying to

5149
03:36:40,319 --> 03:36:42,239
do next year three, the next year three,

5150
03:36:42,239 --> 03:36:43,920
and then we'll just back off to one a

5151
03:36:43,920 --> 03:36:46,640
year to maintain is what the thought is.

5152
03:36:46,640 --> 03:36:49,120
Hoping that we can, you know, if we

5153
03:36:49,120 --> 03:36:50,720
don't have to replace one one year,

5154
03:36:50,720 --> 03:36:52,319
great. You know, but this is just kind

5155
03:36:52,319 --> 03:36:55,040
of a projection to try and do what we

5156
03:36:55,040 --> 03:36:58,080
can to get the system up.

5157
03:36:58,080 --> 03:37:00,399
>> And we're in a lot better position now

5158
03:37:00,399 --> 03:37:02,800
that before [clears throat]

5159
03:37:02,800 --> 03:37:04,960
we couldn't afford to be out on one of

5160
03:37:04,960 --> 03:37:08,960
them. Now we can have to service it or

5161
03:37:08,960 --> 03:37:12,000
replace it. So, we're in a lot better

5162
03:37:12,000 --> 03:37:14,160
liability position now, but we just need

5163
03:37:14,160 --> 03:37:17,439
to those next two years exchanges are

5164
03:37:17,439 --> 03:37:19,600
the original equipment. So, once we get

5165
03:37:19,600 --> 03:37:22,399
through those two years, we'll be kind

5166
03:37:22,399 --> 03:37:25,040
of caught up on our exchange program. So

5167
03:37:25,040 --> 03:37:26,720
maybe we could back off and do every

5168
03:37:26,720 --> 03:37:29,520
other year, but there very well could be

5169
03:37:29,520 --> 03:37:32,640
something that else that takes that much

5170
03:37:32,640 --> 03:37:37,920
as I was uh always surprised.

5171
03:37:37,920 --> 03:37:42,479
So uh we've got a vacuum sewer swing arm

5172
03:37:42,479 --> 03:37:46,469
valve replacement.

5173
03:37:46,479 --> 03:37:48,640
Sorry about my spelling.

5174
03:37:48,640 --> 03:37:52,399
Um 7700

5175
03:37:52,399 --> 03:37:56,080
uh BOF filters 25,000. When you got

5176
03:37:56,080 --> 03:37:58,479
those pretty much need to do those,

5177
03:37:58,479 --> 03:37:59,120
right?

5178
03:37:59,120 --> 03:38:02,160
>> Yeah. That's basically a bar filter that

5179
03:38:02,160 --> 03:38:05,120
takes the smell from the vacuum. We're

5180
03:38:05,120 --> 03:38:08,319
sucking out of there. It just decays

5181
03:38:08,319 --> 03:38:11,200
like wood and we have to replace it

5182
03:38:11,200 --> 03:38:13,680
every so often.

5183
03:38:13,680 --> 03:38:17,520
>> And there's three of them. So that's the three

5184
03:38:17,520 --> 03:38:18,399
>> stations.

5185
03:38:18,399 --> 03:38:20,960
>> And then this was one that was brought

5186
03:38:20,960 --> 03:38:22,479
up to me this morning. Everything in

5187
03:38:22,479 --> 03:38:26,000
yellow's kind of new this morning.

5188
03:38:26,000 --> 03:38:29,040
EVR circulation fan. There's three to

5189
03:38:29,040 --> 03:38:30,960
replace

5190
03:38:30,960 --> 03:38:34,479
and that's a really big need.

5191
03:38:34,479 --> 03:38:37,040
Wet [snorts] well fan.

5192
03:38:37,040 --> 03:38:39,439
Um 15,000.

5193
03:38:39,439 --> 03:38:40,960
>> So do we just realize that those are

5194
03:38:40,960 --> 03:38:42,640
needs or like what made that just now

5195
03:38:42,640 --> 03:38:46,000
get put on this? just broke down since

5196
03:38:46,000 --> 03:38:50,800
we've last put the list together.

5197
03:38:50,800 --> 03:38:52,960
>> I think that was kind of like one thing

5198
03:38:52,960 --> 03:38:55,359
leads to another that the reason those

5199
03:38:55,359 --> 03:38:59,439
manhold are dictates from H2S gas

5200
03:38:59,439 --> 03:39:01,520
these fans are what keeps the air moving

5201
03:39:01,520 --> 03:39:05,200
and keeps that rest of our system. So

5202
03:39:05,200 --> 03:39:06,880
fairly important.

5203
03:39:06,880 --> 03:39:09,439
>> Yeah, I was what do we do like in those

5204
03:39:09,439 --> 03:39:12,080
areas? Are there any residential

5205
03:39:12,080 --> 03:39:14,640
concerns like we're not

5206
03:39:14,640 --> 03:39:15,120
gases.

5207
03:39:15,120 --> 03:39:18,560
>> No, it's in the system.

5208
03:39:18,560 --> 03:39:20,960
>> They just can't go out of just doing one

5209
03:39:20,960 --> 03:39:24,960
year and taking three years or we hope.

5210
03:39:24,960 --> 03:39:27,279
Yeah,

5211
03:39:27,279 --> 03:39:29,439
>> we know one's broke down right now. So

5212
03:39:29,439 --> 03:39:34,720
that's the one in year 27 and then

5213
03:39:34,720 --> 03:39:36,880
hopefully the other ones last until next

5214
03:39:36,880 --> 03:39:41,200
year at least. plug valve replacement.

5215
03:39:41,200 --> 03:39:45,840
Vac station VFD replacement.

5216
03:39:45,840 --> 03:39:49,840
This is a Alan Bailey PLC replacement

5217
03:39:49,840 --> 03:39:51,600
upgrade 75.

5218
03:39:51,600 --> 03:39:52,800
>> What's that? Tell me about that.

5219
03:39:52,800 --> 03:39:54,720
>> So that that's the main control panel

5220
03:39:54,720 --> 03:39:57,600
that runs the whole vacuum station and

5221
03:39:57,600 --> 03:40:00,239
there we used to have an old guy that

5222
03:40:00,239 --> 03:40:02,640
helped us named retired. [clears throat]

5223
03:40:02,640 --> 03:40:06,080
He was only like 85, but he's like I'm

5224
03:40:06,080 --> 03:40:08,160
done. And he says you guys

5225
03:40:08,160 --> 03:40:10,960
He says everything in here is obsolete.

5226
03:40:10,960 --> 03:40:12,319
So we've

5227
03:40:12,319 --> 03:40:13,279
>> so we had

5228
03:40:13,279 --> 03:40:14,720
>> those

5229
03:40:14,720 --> 03:40:18,160
>> all in the last year we found out that

5230
03:40:18,160 --> 03:40:20,000
we're probably going to have to spit

5231
03:40:20,000 --> 03:40:21,920
split it between the two years. So we

5232
03:40:21,920 --> 03:40:26,080
have we'll pay or we have paid 75.

5233
03:40:26,080 --> 03:40:29,439
>> We'll pay another 75 when it's done

5234
03:40:29,439 --> 03:40:31,840
and then we'll pay the balance when it's

5235
03:40:31,840 --> 03:40:34,800
completed but the project start

5236
03:40:34,800 --> 03:40:37,359
>> but it won't be done before June 30th.

5237
03:40:37,359 --> 03:40:42,319
So, um, this is a power transfer switch

5238
03:40:42,319 --> 03:40:45,680
for emergency generators.

5239
03:40:45,680 --> 03:40:46,479
Um,

5240
03:40:46,479 --> 03:40:48,239
>> what's the AT&T checklist?

5241
03:40:48,239 --> 03:40:50,560
>> Good question.

5242
03:40:50,560 --> 03:40:52,880
>> You're on that. I love it.

5243
03:40:52,880 --> 03:40:55,840
>> We have some next year again, we're just

5244
03:40:55,840 --> 03:40:58,160
hoping they will last another like even

5245
03:40:58,160 --> 03:41:01,920
with that, you know, we do the 25 now.

5246
03:41:01,920 --> 03:41:04,560
>> Yeah. So, the power transfer switch at

5247
03:41:04,560 --> 03:41:08,319
north has failed. So if we power outage,

5248
03:41:08,319 --> 03:41:10,239
it'll still notify us. We'll just have

5249
03:41:10,239 --> 03:41:14,479
to go transfer it manually.

5250
03:41:14,479 --> 03:41:16,800
The other ones are the same age. So, but

5251
03:41:16,800 --> 03:41:28,710
they haven't failed yet.

5252
03:41:28,720 --> 03:41:31,120
» Oh, right there.

5253
03:41:31,120 --> 03:41:34,479
>> Like we are waiting for a failure.

5254
03:41:34,479 --> 03:41:36,720
I'm not being serious here. We don't

5255
03:41:36,720 --> 03:41:39,359
have anything that's really just update.

5256
03:41:39,359 --> 03:41:41,840
We're replacing it as it breaks.

5257
03:41:41,840 --> 03:41:43,520
>> For us being as young of a modern city,

5258
03:41:43,520 --> 03:41:45,120
like 20 years old, it is pretty

5259
03:41:45,120 --> 03:41:46,800
surprising. Like, you know what I mean?

5260
03:41:46,800 --> 03:41:48,160
Like, we're not an old city and for

5261
03:41:48,160 --> 03:41:49,920
everything to be this deteriorated out

5262
03:41:49,920 --> 03:41:52,960
of old city.

5263
03:41:52,960 --> 03:41:56,000
>> If I had one thing in my career to do

5264
03:41:56,000 --> 03:41:58,560
not do vacuum,

5265
03:41:58,560 --> 03:42:01,040
>> why don't

5266
03:42:01,040 --> 03:42:03,359
>> Well, and it is really a tribute to our

5267
03:42:03,359 --> 03:42:06,000
guys that the pump is supposed to

5268
03:42:06,000 --> 03:42:10,800
and our gone or 20,000 gone 36. I mean,

5269
03:42:10,800 --> 03:42:12,080
we

5270
03:42:12,080 --> 03:42:14,000
>> care.

5271
03:42:14,000 --> 03:42:16,080
>> But it's a little scary when one starts

5272
03:42:16,080 --> 03:42:19,279
falling and they're all the same age.

5273
03:42:19,279 --> 03:42:22,080
>> You can anticipate the rest.

5274
03:42:22,080 --> 03:42:23,040
>> Yeah.

5275
03:42:23,040 --> 03:42:24,960
>> Have we

5276
03:42:24,960 --> 03:42:27,120
sure we have

5277
03:42:27,120 --> 03:42:29,200
we looked at

5278
03:42:29,200 --> 03:42:30,960
I mean the original reason for the

5279
03:42:30,960 --> 03:42:32,239
vacuum system was because the water

5280
03:42:32,239 --> 03:42:35,040
table was so high all that stuff. put it

5281
03:42:35,040 --> 03:42:35,680
in the time.

5282
03:42:35,680 --> 03:42:37,760
>> Have we looked at what it would cost us

5283
03:42:37,760 --> 03:42:40,479
to go to a gravity feed system?

5284
03:42:40,479 --> 03:42:41,520
>> 20 years from now, we're going to be

5285
03:42:41,520 --> 03:42:42,399
doing this again.

5286
03:42:42,399 --> 03:42:45,359
>> Not in debt. Just we still owe 8 million

5287
03:42:45,359 --> 03:42:47,600
on this system.

5288
03:42:47,600 --> 03:42:50,080
>> So, we still have to pay that and then

5289
03:42:50,080 --> 03:42:52,160
you basically be starting over again

5290
03:42:52,160 --> 03:42:55,040
with it.

5291
03:42:55,040 --> 03:42:59,600
We still in this original system

5292
03:42:59,600 --> 03:43:01,359
>> but I'm just thinking like we're gonna

5293
03:43:01,359 --> 03:43:02,399
every

5294
03:43:02,399 --> 03:43:03,920
>> you know so often end up with this $2

5295
03:43:03,920 --> 03:43:07,279
million we're pay

5296
03:43:07,279 --> 03:43:09,680
abandoning it and paying the loan still

5297
03:43:09,680 --> 03:43:10,640
>> million we owe.

5298
03:43:10,640 --> 03:43:12,938
>> I mean I I guess the scope of that

5299
03:43:12,938 --> 03:43:14,560
[clears throat] would basically be relay

5300
03:43:14,560 --> 03:43:17,760
all the mains in the street and then new

5301
03:43:17,760 --> 03:43:20,239
to every home and rec they could use

5302
03:43:20,239 --> 03:43:22,720
their lateral coming out of the road.

5303
03:43:22,720 --> 03:43:25,279
have to reconnect. Did it be a project

5304
03:43:25,279 --> 03:43:27,680
like tens of millions?

5305
03:43:27,680 --> 03:43:29,040
>> Okay, that's what I'm asking because I'm

5306
03:43:29,040 --> 03:43:30,560
just thinking in my mind if every year

5307
03:43:30,560 --> 03:43:32,319
we're paying $10 million to keep this

5308
03:43:32,319 --> 03:43:33,279
thing up.

5309
03:43:33,279 --> 03:43:35,520
>> So, you know, five years it's 10 million

5310
03:43:35,520 --> 03:43:36,960
or it's 10 million now.

5311
03:43:36,960 --> 03:43:39,840
>> One one thing we have come up with

5312
03:43:39,840 --> 03:43:43,069
different plans instead of expanding it.

5313
03:43:43,069 --> 03:43:44,479
[cough]

5314
03:43:44,479 --> 03:43:47,760
There is some infill within those zones,

5315
03:43:47,760 --> 03:43:49,439
you know, that we're still adding new

5316
03:43:49,439 --> 03:43:51,279
vacuum, but we're not building new

5317
03:43:51,279 --> 03:43:54,080
vacuum stations.

5318
03:43:54,080 --> 03:43:54,239
I

5319
03:43:54,239 --> 03:43:56,560
>> mean, we could we could have J tell us

5320
03:43:56,560 --> 03:44:03,750
what it cost to converting

5321
03:44:03,760 --> 03:44:05,680
if we still didn't hold that six and a

5322
03:44:05,680 --> 03:44:07,520
half million. If we were just starting

5323
03:44:07,520 --> 03:44:10,800
from nothing, then it might be, but then

5324
03:44:10,800 --> 03:44:14,239
we're still having to pay the 550,000

5325
03:44:14,239 --> 03:44:16,800
bond. I It's not a bond. It was a

5326
03:44:16,800 --> 03:44:19,359
interestree loan. But we have to pay

5327
03:44:19,359 --> 03:44:22,950
that every year.

5328
03:44:22,960 --> 03:44:24,640
» Can somebody

5329
03:44:24,640 --> 03:44:25,600
$6 million?

5330
03:44:25,600 --> 03:44:28,399
>> Any any chance of like tying this into

5331
03:44:28,399 --> 03:44:31,279
the one that's going in Davis County

5332
03:44:31,279 --> 03:44:32,640
down there? Because we had already

5333
03:44:32,640 --> 03:44:34,800
talked a little bit

5334
03:44:34,800 --> 03:44:36,960
Um, not we're not going to expand the

5335
03:44:36,960 --> 03:44:38,960
vacuum system,

5336
03:44:38,960 --> 03:44:40,960
>> but is there any potential down the road

5337
03:44:40,960 --> 03:44:42,479
we could shoot some of that the other

5338
03:44:42,479 --> 03:44:43,600
way?

5339
03:44:43,600 --> 03:44:57,590
>> The whole system of how it's collected.

5340
03:44:57,600 --> 03:45:00,080
» Yeah. Okay.

5341
03:45:00,080 --> 03:45:02,479
So,

5342
03:45:02,479 --> 03:45:04,399
um, where was I even at? put [laughter]

5343
03:45:04,399 --> 03:45:07,279
that into the back station.

5344
03:45:07,279 --> 03:45:09,760
>> Okay, there we go. 450.

5345
03:45:09,760 --> 03:45:12,239
>> What was the other other major upgrade?

5346
03:45:12,239 --> 03:45:15,040
>> Oh, it was 150 and we just were using it

5347
03:45:15,040 --> 03:45:17,199
for over here [clears throat] in these

5348
03:45:17,199 --> 03:45:20,000
uh fiscal year 30 and 31 just kind of as

5349
03:45:20,000 --> 03:45:20,880
a placeholder.

5350
03:45:20,880 --> 03:45:24,399
>> The last is still the

5351
03:45:24,399 --> 03:45:25,840
control.

5352
03:45:25,840 --> 03:45:27,760
>> Is that the air conditioning?

5353
03:45:27,760 --> 03:45:28,319
>> Yes.

5354
03:45:28,319 --> 03:45:31,520
>> The next one down there. So that should

5355
03:45:31,520 --> 03:45:37,359
be uh roughly around 50,000 each times

5356
03:45:37,359 --> 03:45:40,880
the three. No up where it's yellow.

5357
03:45:40,880 --> 03:45:42,000
>> Oh, that one.

5358
03:45:42,000 --> 03:45:44,960
>> Yeah, it should be around a total

5359
03:45:44,960 --> 03:45:47,279
although HBAC

5360
03:45:47,279 --> 03:45:50,239
a lot of them's taken a 12% increase

5361
03:45:50,239 --> 03:45:53,520
from the tariffs that Trump just put on.

5362
03:45:53,520 --> 03:45:57,359
So, I don't know if you want to go

5363
03:45:57,359 --> 03:45:59,920
55

5364
03:45:59,920 --> 03:46:01,040
probably.

5365
03:46:01,040 --> 03:46:02,720
>> Go 60.

5366
03:46:02,720 --> 03:46:04,720
>> We haven't put it out to bid yet.

5367
03:46:04,720 --> 03:46:05,920
>> No, but Larry's already talked to

5368
03:46:05,920 --> 03:46:07,199
somebody and I've already talked to

5369
03:46:07,199 --> 03:46:08,960
somebody that figures we can do it for

5370
03:46:08,960 --> 03:46:09,439
50.

5371
03:46:09,439 --> 03:46:10,880
>> They're commercial, but

5372
03:46:10,880 --> 03:46:14,560
>> and they're grade 20 ton heavy duty

5373
03:46:14,560 --> 03:46:15,680
units

5374
03:46:15,680 --> 03:46:17,279
>> and they've seen our specs and

5375
03:46:17,279 --> 03:46:18,239
everything.

5376
03:46:18,239 --> 03:46:21,760
>> They're just aware of what we need and

5377
03:46:21,760 --> 03:46:24,399
you know would be put.

5378
03:46:24,399 --> 03:46:26,479
>> So, have you got the specs? Yeah.

5379
03:46:26,479 --> 03:46:28,640
>> Uh, we're narrowing them down. We did a

5380
03:46:28,640 --> 03:46:30,399
review and sent them back and I think

5381
03:46:30,399 --> 03:46:35,040
this coming week should see some

5382
03:46:35,040 --> 03:46:36,560
>> Oh, they had to come out and see if we

5383
03:46:36,560 --> 03:46:40,640
had enough power at this station.

5384
03:46:40,640 --> 03:46:43,040
>> He's still calculating. He came out and

5385
03:46:43,040 --> 03:46:44,000
looked at everything

5386
03:46:44,000 --> 03:46:47,040
>> because the estimates that we got did

5387
03:46:47,040 --> 03:46:49,040
not include

5388
03:46:49,040 --> 03:46:51,199
>> running off. I think that number there

5389
03:46:51,199 --> 03:46:53,359
was like the Worst case

5390
03:46:53,359 --> 03:46:55,359
>> worst case scenario. They think it'll

5391
03:46:55,359 --> 03:46:56,000
come in.

5392
03:46:56,000 --> 03:46:58,239
>> That'd be a pretty bad case.

5393
03:46:58,239 --> 03:47:00,160
>> Yeah.

5394
03:47:00,160 --> 03:47:05,359
>> Um got to go back and change that 15.

5395
03:47:05,359 --> 03:47:08,239
>> Um well, I did 60. Oh, right here. Yeah,

5396
03:47:08,239 --> 03:47:10,160
I can change that.

5397
03:47:10,160 --> 03:47:12,560
>> Oh, yeah.

5398
03:47:12,560 --> 03:47:14,800
>> Yeah. We know these guys are both of

5399
03:47:14,800 --> 03:47:16,880
them are industrial

5400
03:47:16,880 --> 03:47:23,990
guys that do this crap for a living. So,

5401
03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:26,319
Yeah, but those vacuum pumps put off.

5402
03:47:26,319 --> 03:47:28,319
It's like four furnaces running in

5403
03:47:28,319 --> 03:47:30,399
there.

5404
03:47:30,399 --> 03:47:33,760
>> I I would guarantee you that a 20 ton

5405
03:47:33,760 --> 03:47:36,160
would keep that down to 70° if you

5406
03:47:36,160 --> 03:47:38,239
wanted it to

5407
03:47:38,239 --> 03:47:39,840
>> 20 ton. Yes.

5408
03:47:39,840 --> 03:47:40,880
>> Yeah,

5409
03:47:40,880 --> 03:47:42,720
>> that's what we've both been discussing

5410
03:47:42,720 --> 03:47:45,680
with our guys and they just won't expect

5411
03:47:45,680 --> 03:47:47,760
so that they can [clears throat] give us

5412
03:47:47,760 --> 03:47:49,600
something. So, I'm fairly confident

5413
03:47:49,600 --> 03:47:51,840
we're going to pull that off for, you

5414
03:47:51,840 --> 03:47:55,199
know, 180,000 versus 450,000.

5415
03:47:55,199 --> 03:47:56,080
>> Okay.

5416
03:47:56,080 --> 03:47:57,760
>> I wonder if we should just cut it in

5417
03:47:57,760 --> 03:47:59,600
half, though, till we get the specs and

5418
03:47:59,600 --> 03:48:01,760
make sure. We don't want to underdo it

5419
03:48:01,760 --> 03:48:03,279
and then have it be more and then we're

5420
03:48:03,279 --> 03:48:04,479
be thinking where are we getting the

5421
03:48:04,479 --> 03:48:05,040
money?

5422
03:48:05,040 --> 03:48:06,560
>> Either way, I think they'll have to

5423
03:48:06,560 --> 03:48:08,319
approve the contract. So,

5424
03:48:08,319 --> 03:48:09,359
>> yeah,

5425
03:48:09,359 --> 03:48:11,520
>> they got to it when they approve it. We

5426
03:48:11,520 --> 03:48:12,319
can

5427
03:48:12,319 --> 03:48:13,920
>> they would just plug in a number in

5428
03:48:13,920 --> 03:48:16,239
there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

5429
03:48:16,239 --> 03:48:18,640
>> Best guess. I mean, that's

5430
03:48:18,640 --> 03:48:20,160
>> that's somewhere over the rainbow.

5431
03:48:20,160 --> 03:48:22,960
>> Yeah. Uh our first main along West

5432
03:48:22,960 --> 03:48:26,479
Haven, 1 million, but

5433
03:48:26,479 --> 03:48:28,080
were thinking that was still pretty

5434
03:48:28,080 --> 03:48:28,479
good.

5435
03:48:28,479 --> 03:48:28,800
>> Yeah,

5436
03:48:28,800 --> 03:48:29,920
>> probably.

5437
03:48:29,920 --> 03:48:32,880
>> Uh manhole bypass. We were thinking

5438
03:48:32,880 --> 03:48:35,920
about 200 this year and about 130 next

5439
03:48:35,920 --> 03:48:38,880
year with that.

5440
03:48:38,880 --> 03:48:41,199
>> That confuses me a lot. I thought we

5441
03:48:41,199 --> 03:48:42,239
already talked about that.

5442
03:48:42,239 --> 03:48:43,920
>> I thought we did, too. I'm sitting here

5443
03:48:43,920 --> 03:48:46,479
questioning that now.

5444
03:48:46,479 --> 03:48:48,560
>> That was that one that we had the grant.

5445
03:48:48,560 --> 03:48:50,239
It showed the grant money and we had

5446
03:48:50,239 --> 03:48:55,359
like 56,000 or something to help

5447
03:48:55,359 --> 03:48:58,239
>> that's what this bypasses the north.

5448
03:48:58,239 --> 03:49:00,720
>> So we probably just need that 200 there.

5449
03:49:00,720 --> 03:49:04,870
Not the

5450
03:49:04,880 --> 03:49:06,880
me.

5451
03:49:06,880 --> 03:49:09,040
>> So there three of them. The one at the

5452
03:49:09,040 --> 03:49:11,040
north is

5453
03:49:11,040 --> 03:49:13,359
sticking through the

5454
03:49:13,359 --> 03:49:15,920
You can smell them.

5455
03:49:15,920 --> 03:49:17,439
>> I thought that was cows.

5456
03:49:17,439 --> 03:49:19,680
>> The other two [laughter] need to be done

5457
03:49:19,680 --> 03:49:22,160
but not nearly as bad. So I think the

5458
03:49:22,160 --> 03:49:25,199
bigger number is for all of them and the

5459
03:49:25,199 --> 03:49:28,080
other number was for the north.

5460
03:49:28,080 --> 03:49:30,399
But the problem we have is the low and

5461
03:49:30,399 --> 03:49:33,760
the tan pump to the north and then pump

5462
03:49:33,760 --> 03:49:36,239
up the force me. So we've got to deal

5463
03:49:36,239 --> 03:49:38,479
with that sewage that comes about every

5464
03:49:38,479 --> 03:49:42,239
10 minutes while we redo that manhole.

5465
03:49:42,239 --> 03:49:44,634
really fast.

5466
03:49:44,634 --> 03:49:50,309
[laughter]

5467
03:49:50,319 --> 03:49:52,239
» It's a real concern, but I think

5468
03:49:52,239 --> 03:49:54,239
Darren's got

5469
03:49:54,239 --> 03:49:55,520
figured out. I think we're we're going

5470
03:49:55,520 --> 03:49:57,840
to get it done here soon. So, we've

5471
03:49:57,840 --> 03:50:01,840
already contacted the man. He's ready to

5472
03:50:01,840 --> 03:50:03,840
go. So,

5473
03:50:03,840 --> 03:50:04,800
should be in good shape.

5474
03:50:04,800 --> 03:50:07,840
>> Okay. So, we keep the 200 this year and

5475
03:50:07,840 --> 03:50:13,439
130 for next year, right? Okay.

5476
03:50:13,439 --> 03:50:14,800
So,

5477
03:50:14,800 --> 03:50:17,199
>> actually, we're we're not going to get

5478
03:50:17,199 --> 03:50:20,000
to all of them this year.

5479
03:50:20,000 --> 03:50:22,479
>> We'll get the one in the north done

5480
03:50:22,479 --> 03:50:25,439
before the end of this budget year. The

5481
03:50:25,439 --> 03:50:26,800
other two are still going to have to

5482
03:50:26,800 --> 03:50:27,359
come.

5483
03:50:27,359 --> 03:50:35,910
>> So, you think this needs to be

5484
03:50:35,920 --> 03:50:40,870
» Good thing I use formulas, Jared.

5485
03:50:40,880 --> 03:50:42,640
Didn't we have do we have money in there

5486
03:50:42,640 --> 03:50:44,800
if we get that finished this year? That

5487
03:50:44,800 --> 03:50:46,720
130,000. Do we have that in our budget

5488
03:50:46,720 --> 03:50:49,279
>> because we budgeted 100 or 200?

5489
03:50:49,279 --> 03:50:54,239
>> Okay.

5490
03:50:54,239 --> 03:50:57,520
So, that being said,

5491
03:50:57,520 --> 03:51:00,160
if I look at our income minus our

5492
03:51:00,160 --> 03:51:02,960
expenses, our total decrease in fund

5493
03:51:02,960 --> 03:51:06,239
balance would be 1.9. I like to back out

5494
03:51:06,239 --> 03:51:08,080
depreciation and say what's our real

5495
03:51:08,080 --> 03:51:14,319
cash effect. That's 1.4 deficit.

5496
03:51:14,319 --> 03:51:17,359
Okay. So, if you go to your other page,

5497
03:51:17,359 --> 03:51:18,640
which it's going to show a different

5498
03:51:18,640 --> 03:51:20,960
amount because we changed a few things

5499
03:51:20,960 --> 03:51:26,399
there, but if you look at the next tab, six, you'll see that I have this

5500
03:51:26,399 --> 03:51:29,600
unrestricted cash projection. This is

5501
03:51:29,600 --> 03:51:32,399
just a projection. best um way I've

5502
03:51:32,399 --> 03:51:34,960
figured out to kind of try and say where

5503
03:51:34,960 --> 03:51:37,279
are we gonna be

5504
03:51:37,279 --> 03:51:40,479
>> um I think it's under tab

5505
03:51:40,479 --> 03:51:42,319
>> is it tab five

5506
03:51:42,319 --> 03:51:43,520
>> oh okay

5507
03:51:43,520 --> 03:51:47,040
>> oh yep tab five

5508
03:51:47,040 --> 03:51:49,840
>> and it's that last page or the one

5509
03:51:49,840 --> 03:51:53,279
behind the uh sewer long-term capital

5510
03:51:53,279 --> 03:51:56,080
sorry I was looking after you [laughter]

5511
03:51:56,080 --> 03:51:57,439
>> last one maybe next

5512
03:51:57,439 --> 03:52:00,000
>> the second to last it's the it's the two

5513
03:52:00,000 --> 03:52:02,479
pretty colored pages with all my blues

5514
03:52:02,479 --> 03:52:04,239
and

5515
03:52:04,239 --> 03:52:09,030
uh greens and pinks.

5516
03:52:09,040 --> 03:52:10,960
» And like I said, my numbers aren't going

5517
03:52:10,960 --> 03:52:12,800
to tie up to yours exactly because we

5518
03:52:12,800 --> 03:52:15,359
made some changes. So just keep in mind,

5519
03:52:15,359 --> 03:52:18,000
but this is a basic. So basically what

5520
03:52:18,000 --> 03:52:19,359
I've done is I've said here's our

5521
03:52:19,359 --> 03:52:22,800
unrestricted cash as of March. This is

5522
03:52:22,800 --> 03:52:24,640
what income I suspect we're going to

5523
03:52:24,640 --> 03:52:27,120
have remaining coming in in fiscal year

5524
03:52:27,120 --> 03:52:33,279
26. expenses going out um subtotal

5525
03:52:33,279 --> 03:52:36,080
capital projects

5526
03:52:36,080 --> 03:52:39,439
um funds going out and then our loan

5527
03:52:39,439 --> 03:52:43,600
funds going out. So our total

5528
03:52:43,600 --> 03:52:57,269
um fund balance

5529
03:52:57,279 --> 03:53:01,359
» did that include the appreciation.

5530
03:53:01,359 --> 03:53:07,510
>> Yeah.

5531
03:53:07,520 --> 03:53:11,359
» Okay. So, we have 104 in capital

5532
03:53:11,359 --> 03:53:14,319
projects this year. [clears throat]

5533
03:53:14,319 --> 03:53:18,479
Um loan balances.

5534
03:53:18,479 --> 03:53:22,080
So, we're at a total of 225.

5535
03:53:22,080 --> 03:53:22,880
Some other

5536
03:53:22,880 --> 03:53:25,199
>> the loan payment that's the 95 versus

5537
03:53:25,199 --> 03:53:26,960
our loan payment that we paid. That's

5538
03:53:26,960 --> 03:53:29,760
what's remaining to be paid this year

5539
03:53:29,760 --> 03:53:31,680
because it's two payments months. Yeah.

5540
03:53:31,680 --> 03:53:34,160
So, this is just remaining in this year.

5541
03:53:34,160 --> 03:53:38,239
>> So, at the first of fiscal year 27, I

5542
03:53:38,239 --> 03:53:40,720
suspect that the fund balance would be

5543
03:53:40,720 --> 03:53:43,520
at two 2.2.

5544
03:53:43,520 --> 03:53:46,239
Some other income district

5545
03:53:46,239 --> 03:53:48,479
um fee and whatever the sewer district

5546
03:53:48,479 --> 03:53:51,520
fee is, that pays back out. So those

5547
03:53:51,520 --> 03:53:53,120
wash

5548
03:53:53,120 --> 03:53:57,359
our um hoofer fee income our expenses

5549
03:53:57,359 --> 03:54:00,399
minus depreciation

5550
03:54:00,399 --> 03:54:04,560
subtotal capital projects 1.8

5551
03:54:04,560 --> 03:54:08,160
so a total of 608 in our fund in our

5552
03:54:08,160 --> 03:54:10,319
cash. So we will spend down the cash

5553
03:54:10,319 --> 03:54:15,920
from about 2.2 to 6 600 this year. Ouch.

5554
03:54:15,920 --> 03:54:17,840
So

5555
03:54:17,840 --> 03:54:21,439
up there at the top, uh, Central Weaver

5556
03:54:21,439 --> 03:54:24,960
Sewer District's going to estimate a 6%

5557
03:54:24,960 --> 03:54:28,319
increase, and we're only going to

5558
03:54:28,319 --> 03:54:31,279
>> we're estimating a 6.25 increase is what

5559
03:54:31,279 --> 03:54:32,080
I'm proposing,

5560
03:54:32,080 --> 03:54:35,840
>> but we're only going to

5561
03:54:35,840 --> 03:54:37,840
>> And that's what we're passing on.

5562
03:54:37,840 --> 03:54:38,319
>> Yeah.

5563
03:54:38,319 --> 03:54:40,560
>> Residents is six

5564
03:54:40,560 --> 03:54:43,040
>> 6.2.

5565
03:54:43,040 --> 03:54:45,439
>> Well, no.

5566
03:54:45,439 --> 03:54:46,080
Oh, 13.

5567
03:54:46,080 --> 03:54:47,520
>> Yeah. Okay.

5568
03:54:47,520 --> 03:54:51,760
>> Yeah. Our fee would go up to $52

5569
03:54:51,760 --> 03:54:54,479
is what I'm

5570
03:54:54,479 --> 03:54:57,760
>> So, our fee right now is 48.88.

5571
03:54:57,760 --> 03:54:59,840
>> We're going to go $3.

5572
03:54:59,840 --> 03:55:03,359
>> Mhm. Yeah. is what I'm recommending

5573
03:55:03,359 --> 03:55:05,680
because if we continue, what I've done

5574
03:55:05,680 --> 03:55:08,319
is I've built into the spreadsheet that

5575
03:55:08,319 --> 03:55:12,080
if there's a 5% expense increase with

5576
03:55:12,080 --> 03:55:14,239
the five-year projection that I've got

5577
03:55:14,239 --> 03:55:16,239
on there,

5578
03:55:16,239 --> 03:55:20,319
and then also um

5579
03:55:20,319 --> 03:55:23,199
us increasing the rates steady for the

5580
03:55:23,199 --> 03:55:25,279
next five years instead of just hitting

5581
03:55:25,279 --> 03:55:28,080
them all at once, just a slow steady

5582
03:55:28,080 --> 03:55:31,040
increase to monitor it. Where would our

5583
03:55:31,040 --> 03:55:33,098
cash balance be? And it would

5584
03:55:33,098 --> 03:55:35,359
[clears throat] decrease as of today if

5585
03:55:35,359 --> 03:55:37,600
we only do a 6.25%

5586
03:55:37,600 --> 03:55:43,429
of 1.9

5587
03:55:43,439 --> 03:55:45,199
» decrease.

5588
03:55:45,199 --> 03:55:49,359
And we're right now at

5589
03:55:49,359 --> 03:55:57,910
225.

5590
03:55:57,920 --> 03:56:09,830
I want to check my number.

5591
03:56:09,840 --> 03:56:11,040
Yeah.

5592
03:56:11,040 --> 03:56:14,239
>> So I mean

5593
03:56:14,239 --> 03:56:17,680
the the long and the short

5594
03:56:17,680 --> 03:56:22,080
is we have last year we did a 6.25. We

5595
03:56:22,080 --> 03:56:25,840
were trying to stay consistent.

5596
03:56:25,840 --> 03:56:28,160
However, if we stay consistent with that

5597
03:56:28,160 --> 03:56:30,479
6.25 25, we're going to have a decrease

5598
03:56:30,479 --> 03:56:32,880
in fund in cash.

5599
03:56:32,880 --> 03:56:34,880
>> Basically, at the end of 31, we're going

5600
03:56:34,880 --> 03:56:37,439
to be in a really bad shape of only

5601
03:56:37,439 --> 03:56:38,239
having

5602
03:56:38,239 --> 03:56:39,760
>> 2 million at all.

5603
03:56:39,760 --> 03:56:41,199
>> Um,

5604
03:56:41,199 --> 03:56:44,399
>> decreasing at 1.92 million.

5605
03:56:44,399 --> 03:56:46,640
>> So, our cash balance would basically be

5606
03:56:46,640 --> 03:56:52,640
$845 if we only do a 6.255 increase.

5607
03:56:52,640 --> 03:56:54,720
>> 845,000.

5608
03:56:54,720 --> 03:56:58,800
>> Yeah. If you do a 7% increase,

5609
03:56:58,800 --> 03:57:01,840
you're at a million. And again, you

5610
03:57:01,840 --> 03:57:04,399
know, this is just best guess. This

5611
03:57:04,399 --> 03:57:07,439
isn't, you know,

5612
03:57:07,439 --> 03:57:10,950
>> 7 and a half%.

5613
03:57:10,960 --> 03:57:12,399
» You're at least going to be

5614
03:57:12,399 --> 03:57:15,840
>> next year because they gave us their

5615
03:57:15,840 --> 03:57:20,790
g.

5616
03:57:20,800 --> 03:57:25,510
So if we get this impact

5617
03:57:25,520 --> 03:57:29,189
soon

5618
03:57:29,199 --> 03:57:32,560
» as soon as you adapt the impact fee

5619
03:57:32,560 --> 03:57:34,880
>> as soon as you accept that fee study

5620
03:57:34,880 --> 03:57:40,550
>> we're anticipating this year.

5621
03:57:40,560 --> 03:57:42,319
» Oh yeah

5622
03:57:42,319 --> 03:57:44,479
>> but I think you know that's why we need

5623
03:57:44,479 --> 03:57:46,560
to push to get that because you can see

5624
03:57:46,560 --> 03:57:47,680
the importance of it.

5625
03:57:47,680 --> 03:57:52,630
>> Did they give us a time frame?

5626
03:57:52,640 --> 03:57:56,319
pushed them. They got some quickly

5627
03:57:56,319 --> 03:57:58,319
pushing.

5628
03:57:58,319 --> 03:57:59,520
>> Yeah, let's push

5629
03:57:59,520 --> 03:58:03,990
>> push more.

5630
03:58:04,000 --> 03:58:05,600
» So, how can he push?

5631
03:58:05,600 --> 03:58:14,870
>> We push we push

5632
03:58:14,880 --> 03:58:16,800
» because they told us that the new Ogden

5633
03:58:16,800 --> 03:58:20,000
Valley City needed their enough guys on

5634
03:58:20,000 --> 03:58:21,520
it and got done in a month.

5635
03:58:21,520 --> 03:58:23,279
>> What the

5636
03:58:23,279 --> 03:58:26,399
>> So 10% get that cost extra to put extra

5637
03:58:26,399 --> 03:58:27,120
guys.

5638
03:58:27,120 --> 03:58:28,560
>> I don't know.

5639
03:58:28,560 --> 03:58:30,000
>> Every year.

5640
03:58:30,000 --> 03:58:31,199
>> Yeah. So if we increase

5641
03:58:31,199 --> 03:58:33,199
>> 10% 10% 10%,

5642
03:58:33,199 --> 03:58:36,160
>> right? Which is by by the end of this

5643
03:58:36,160 --> 03:58:38,080
many years, then it's essentially a

5644
03:58:38,080 --> 03:58:40,000
total of 20.

5645
03:58:40,000 --> 03:58:44,000
>> Yeah. So at the end of fiscal year 20 or

5646
03:58:44,000 --> 03:58:46,080
31, you're basically saying to the

5647
03:58:46,080 --> 03:58:48,640
residents if the sewer district also

5648
03:58:48,640 --> 03:58:53,600
does their 15% that um they are going to

5649
03:58:53,600 --> 03:58:57,920
be having a $110 bill a month for their

5650
03:58:57,920 --> 03:59:00,640
sewer system.

5651
03:59:00,640 --> 03:59:03,600
Are you willing to swallow that?

5652
03:59:03,600 --> 03:59:07,120
>> Better than an outhouse.

5653
03:59:07,120 --> 03:59:09,120
>> Yeah. What are the options?

5654
03:59:09,120 --> 03:59:10,160
an outhouse.

5655
03:59:10,160 --> 03:59:12,160
>> Yeah, that's it.

5656
03:59:12,160 --> 03:59:20,469
>> That's real. [laughter]

5657
03:59:20,479 --> 03:59:25,429
» I mean, I know that's high for here, but

5658
03:59:25,439 --> 03:59:27,520
cities that are that are expensive, you

5659
03:59:27,520 --> 03:59:28,160
know,

5660
03:59:28,160 --> 03:59:30,160
>> but those sewer impact fees again are

5661
03:59:30,160 --> 03:59:35,830
only

5662
03:59:35,840 --> 03:59:38,479
passing that on to everybody.

5663
03:59:38,479 --> 03:59:40,000
Yeah.

5664
03:59:40,000 --> 03:59:42,479
>> Yeah. That impact fee. I mean, I

5665
03:59:42,479 --> 03:59:44,160
obviously you can see why I'm a big

5666
03:59:44,160 --> 03:59:47,439
advocate for them and kind of pushed

5667
03:59:47,439 --> 03:59:49,359
>> um last year to, you know, hey, we need

5668
03:59:49,359 --> 03:59:51,439
to update those for multiple reasons.

5669
03:59:51,439 --> 03:59:53,520
Number one, to help us. Number two, the

5670
03:59:53,520 --> 03:59:56,000
state audience is requiring it.

5671
03:59:56,000 --> 03:59:59,439
>> So, I mean, it may not be that bad, but

5672
03:59:59,439 --> 04:00:01,040
you know, are you even willing to

5673
04:00:01,040 --> 04:00:03,439
swallow the,

5674
04:00:03,439 --> 04:00:05,359
you know,

5675
04:00:05,359 --> 04:00:07,520
>> percentage for this year?

5676
04:00:07,520 --> 04:00:09,520
So, so like Jared was just saying, you

5677
04:00:09,520 --> 04:00:12,560
know, even at at doubling this, if we go

5678
04:00:12,560 --> 04:00:14,800
to this 10%.

5679
04:00:14,800 --> 04:00:16,640
>> Well, you're you're actually Sorry, I

5680
04:00:16,640 --> 04:00:20,000
caught a thing.

5681
04:00:20,000 --> 04:00:20,479
>> Okay.

5682
04:00:20,479 --> 04:00:24,479
>> Why did that not Okay. Yeah. So, if you

5683
04:00:24,479 --> 04:00:27,120
do 10% consistently,

5684
04:00:27,120 --> 04:00:30,160
>> you're actually still a million dollar.

5685
04:00:30,160 --> 04:00:31,439
>> Yeah. So, think about that. We're going

5686
04:00:31,439 --> 04:00:34,319
to pay back a $6 million sewer loan.

5687
04:00:34,319 --> 04:00:36,560
>> Mhm. We're going to dump almost two

5688
04:00:36,560 --> 04:00:39,439
million a year into the system and then

5689
04:00:39,439 --> 04:00:41,040
we're still coming deficit almost a

5690
04:00:41,040 --> 04:00:43,680
million dollars by the end of 10 years.

5691
04:00:43,680 --> 04:00:44,239
>> Five years.

5692
04:00:44,239 --> 04:00:45,359
whatever. It's still going

5693
04:00:45,359 --> 04:00:47,760
to still equals out to about $10 million

5694
04:00:47,760 --> 04:00:51,040
or more. Um I mean, we're talking at

5695
04:00:51,040 --> 04:00:53,760
least 10 on five years plus the $6

5696
04:00:53,760 --> 04:00:57,040
million loan that we owe. $16 million. I

5697
04:00:57,040 --> 04:00:59,040
think it might be worth looking at if

5698
04:00:59,040 --> 04:01:00,640
there's another option.

5699
04:01:00,640 --> 04:01:01,600
>> I'm not saying there is.

5700
04:01:01,600 --> 04:01:03,199
>> I'm just saying ask.

5701
04:01:03,199 --> 04:01:05,279
>> Just saying is it

5702
04:01:05,279 --> 04:01:09,359
But where you get the cost

5703
04:01:09,359 --> 04:01:11,680
$20 million

5704
04:01:11,680 --> 04:01:13,600
with all the discussion and all the

5705
04:01:13,600 --> 04:01:15,199
stuff we got going at the head of the

5706
04:01:15,199 --> 04:01:17,199
hill, we should be able to go, hey, we

5707
04:01:17,199 --> 04:01:19,359
want to increase, look at our budget,

5708
04:01:19,359 --> 04:01:20,800
>> you want us to increase capacity, get

5709
04:01:20,800 --> 04:01:22,080
affordable housing down here, help us

5710
04:01:22,080 --> 04:01:24,479
fix this sewer problem. I mean, I feel

5711
04:01:24,479 --> 04:01:25,600
like somebody's got to be able to do

5712
04:01:25,600 --> 04:01:26,800
something. I don't know. This is just me

5713
04:01:26,800 --> 04:01:28,640
not knowing anything. But I just think

5714
04:01:28,640 --> 04:01:33,510
>> maybe

5715
04:01:33,520 --> 04:01:35,040
» I think we find the best engineering

5716
04:01:35,040 --> 04:01:38,160
groups in the in the universities and we

5717
04:01:38,160 --> 04:01:40,479
prop it up as like a solve this problem

5718
04:01:40,479 --> 04:01:42,080
and write your doctoral thesis on this

5719
04:01:42,080 --> 04:01:43,359
in engineering

5720
04:01:43,359 --> 04:01:44,399
>> get the team put together and

5721
04:01:44,399 --> 04:01:46,000
crowdsource it.

5722
04:01:46,000 --> 04:01:47,520
>> That's just me being a millennial, but

5723
04:01:47,520 --> 04:01:49,279
that's what I think we should do.

5724
04:01:49,279 --> 04:01:52,000
>> One thing too, I doubt the two million

5725
04:01:52,000 --> 04:01:53,920
that we're putting in there is going to

5726
04:01:53,920 --> 04:01:56,239
maintain. I mean, it's just

5727
04:01:56,239 --> 04:01:58,319
Yeah, that's with no emergency.

5728
04:01:58,319 --> 04:01:59,840
>> That's a five pump.

5729
04:01:59,840 --> 04:02:01,600
>> Everything works like we hope.

5730
04:02:01,600 --> 04:02:02,827
>> Well, that's what he's saying. This

5731
04:02:02,827 --> 04:02:04,319
[clears throat] one went out and our

5732
04:02:04,319 --> 04:02:06,160
other ones haven't, but all our other

5733
04:02:06,160 --> 04:02:07,760
ones are as old as the one that just

5734
04:02:07,760 --> 04:02:09,279
went out.

5735
04:02:09,279 --> 04:02:11,120
>> I see why you said this for nearless

5736
04:02:11,120 --> 04:02:12,479
because this is

5737
04:02:12,479 --> 04:02:14,800
>> everything else is looking really good.

5738
04:02:14,800 --> 04:02:17,359
their houses, they went out and get us.

5739
04:02:17,359 --> 04:02:19,359
>> Another thing that scares me to death

5740
04:02:19,359 --> 04:02:21,199
about this is

5741
04:02:21,199 --> 04:02:24,080
>> we're relying on a sole source, sle

5742
04:02:24,080 --> 04:02:26,000
proprietor company.

5743
04:02:26,000 --> 04:02:28,080
>> What happens if everybody calls tomorrow

5744
04:02:28,080 --> 04:02:32,790
and says we're closing down?

5745
04:02:32,800 --> 04:02:38,187
» I don't know what the answer is, but it

5746
04:02:38,197 --> 04:02:38,479
[clears throat]

5747
04:02:38,479 --> 04:02:41,120
>> run into the sal like we did 70 years

5748
04:02:41,120 --> 04:02:44,239
ago. And watch out for Swit to come

5749
04:02:44,239 --> 04:02:47,429
after you. [laughter]

5750
04:02:47,439 --> 04:02:50,000
» Bush, but all of the components in the

5751
04:02:50,000 --> 04:02:52,560
pits and everything, an employee of

5752
04:02:52,560 --> 04:02:57,830
airback owns all of the

5753
04:02:57,840 --> 04:03:00,000
» Well, also like you said, we've got

5754
04:03:00,000 --> 04:03:01,840
staff that we train to do this, but it's

5755
04:03:01,840 --> 04:03:04,560
such an anomalous situation. If we lose

5756
04:03:04,560 --> 04:03:06,800
one or two of those staff, then we don't

5757
04:03:06,800 --> 04:03:08,560
have people trained to do it, to fix it,

5758
04:03:08,560 --> 04:03:09,439
to work on it.

5759
04:03:09,439 --> 04:03:12,960
>> If we lose, we're in trouble.

5760
04:03:12,960 --> 04:03:23,110
I'm sure he's not forever.

5761
04:03:23,120 --> 04:03:24,319
» He's still young.

5762
04:03:24,319 --> 04:03:26,013
>> He ain't going to be around forever.

5763
04:03:26,013 --> 04:03:26,399
[laughter]

5764
04:03:26,399 --> 04:03:27,680
>> Be around forever. That's what I'm

5765
04:03:27,680 --> 04:03:29,600
saying. The system itself fades. It

5766
04:03:29,600 --> 04:03:31,199
becomes obsolete. Controls become

5767
04:03:31,199 --> 04:03:34,560
obsolete. It's just uh we're thinking

5768
04:03:34,560 --> 04:03:36,319
long term, but we're lasting 100 years

5769
04:03:36,319 --> 04:03:40,389
as a city.

5770
04:03:40,399 --> 04:03:42,239
We don't have to solve it today, but we

5771
04:03:42,239 --> 04:03:43,760
do got to consider our generations

5772
04:03:43,760 --> 04:03:45,359
coming

5773
04:03:45,359 --> 04:03:52,550
soon

5774
04:03:52,560 --> 04:03:54,479
somebody

5775
04:03:54,479 --> 04:03:56,319
is going to come in and say we've got a

5776
04:03:56,319 --> 04:03:58,160
disaster in place,

5777
04:03:58,160 --> 04:04:00,960
>> you know, so

5778
04:04:00,960 --> 04:04:03,680
money

5779
04:04:03,680 --> 04:04:06,000
>> if

5780
04:04:06,000 --> 04:04:08,479
that's a good point.

5781
04:04:08,479 --> 04:04:09,920
We don't want to wait till we get to

5782
04:04:09,920 --> 04:04:12,399
that point because then we have a mess

5783
04:04:12,399 --> 04:04:14,239
in everybody's house.

5784
04:04:14,239 --> 04:04:18,080
>> The weekend place goes away

5785
04:04:18,080 --> 04:04:19,680
because everybody else use our bathroom.

5786
04:04:19,680 --> 04:04:21,199
There you go. [laughter]

5787
04:04:21,199 --> 04:04:23,359
>> Yeah, we figured what that cost would be

5788
04:04:23,359 --> 04:04:25,680
everybody.

5789
04:04:25,680 --> 04:04:28,160
>> We figure that out.

5790
04:04:28,160 --> 04:04:30,204
>> If they go

5791
04:04:30,204 --> 04:04:32,790
[laughter]

5792
04:04:32,800 --> 04:04:35,359
» I don't have to

5793
04:04:35,359 --> 04:04:39,359
put in six bays instead of two.

5794
04:04:39,359 --> 04:04:41,600
Well, you know, we we joke about that,

5795
04:04:41,600 --> 04:04:43,760
but I think I already mentioned to you

5796
04:04:43,760 --> 04:04:47,520
Harrisville has 2.5 million more dollars

5797
04:04:47,520 --> 04:04:50,560
every year in their budget with 2,000

5798
04:04:50,560 --> 04:04:52,960
less people and less roads. They have a

5799
04:04:52,960 --> 04:04:54,479
lot of business.

5800
04:04:54,479 --> 04:04:55,520
>> They have a lot of business.

5801
04:04:55,520 --> 04:04:57,600
>> Far West is the same way. I mean,

5802
04:04:57,600 --> 04:05:00,880
Papador as mayor of Far West spent

5803
04:05:00,880 --> 04:05:03,120
five, three or four million dollars 20

5804
04:05:03,120 --> 04:05:04,960
years ago putting curb in sidewalking

5805
04:05:04,960 --> 04:05:06,160
because they had to get rid of the

5806
04:05:06,160 --> 04:05:08,880
state. But he told me Smith the Edwards

5807
04:05:08,880 --> 04:05:12,560
by themselves 40 years ago 250 grand in

5808
04:05:12,560 --> 04:05:16,080
point of sales tax. You know I mean

5809
04:05:16,080 --> 04:05:18,640
there is some revenue sources out there

5810
04:05:18,640 --> 04:05:21,199
that can help soften the blow. Ain't

5811
04:05:21,199 --> 04:05:23,040
going to solve it but it's going to

5812
04:05:23,040 --> 04:05:24,560
>> they're going to spend billions of

5813
04:05:24,560 --> 04:05:26,800
dollars to refill the Great Salt Lake.

5814
04:05:26,800 --> 04:05:29,439
What if we could treat our own sewer and

5815
04:05:29,439 --> 04:05:30,800
dump it in there and trade and they pay

5816
04:05:30,800 --> 04:05:32,960
for our sewer system to do it and we

5817
04:05:32,960 --> 04:05:34,880
dump the water into the Great Salt Lake,

5818
04:05:34,880 --> 04:05:36,000
you know, I don't know how many gallons

5819
04:05:36,000 --> 04:05:37,760
it is, but

5820
04:05:37,760 --> 04:05:39,120
you know, say, "Hey, we'll send it that

5821
04:05:39,120 --> 04:05:41,439
way. We'll we'll treat it. You pay for

5822
04:05:41,439 --> 04:05:43,439
the treatment plant."

5823
04:05:43,439 --> 04:05:47,750
>> Well, unfortunately

5824
04:05:47,760 --> 04:05:51,199
goes it goes to central central Weaver

5825
04:05:51,199 --> 04:05:53,120
and they send it to the lake.

5826
04:05:53,120 --> 04:05:55,760
>> We talked I think was mayor, they had a

5827
04:05:55,760 --> 04:05:59,040
long range planning committee and like

5828
04:05:59,040 --> 04:06:01,120
rather than keep on building that plant

5829
04:06:01,120 --> 04:06:02,960
figure for us to pump it over there, why

5830
04:06:02,960 --> 04:06:06,399
don't you build a satellite?

5831
04:06:06,399 --> 04:06:08,720
just treat it here and send it west and

5832
04:06:08,720 --> 04:06:11,120
then we can get out of all that pumping

5833
04:06:11,120 --> 04:06:13,040
and that'll get the city out of planning

5834
04:06:13,040 --> 04:06:16,399
and all the EPA regulations of doing a

5835
04:06:16,399 --> 04:06:19,120
treat.

5836
04:06:19,120 --> 04:06:25,030
We were still off here

5837
04:06:25,040 --> 04:06:27,520
though because I'm on that committee and

5838
04:06:27,520 --> 04:06:30,080
they said it would cost so much more to

5839
04:06:30,080 --> 04:06:32,080
do that than for us to pump it there.

5840
04:06:32,080 --> 04:06:35,439
It's not even

5841
04:06:35,439 --> 04:06:36,880
And I'm not down to

5842
04:06:36,880 --> 04:06:39,279
>> I'd say reach out to Mountain Green

5843
04:06:39,279 --> 04:06:42,080
Sewer. I used to manage one of the fifth

5844
04:06:42,080 --> 04:06:43,359
largest call centers in the United

5845
04:06:43,359 --> 04:06:46,000
States in Clearville and we said what

5846
04:06:46,000 --> 04:06:47,680
would it cost us to do a work from home

5847
04:06:47,680 --> 04:06:49,920
project. Everything shut down and

5848
04:06:49,920 --> 04:06:51,439
everybody had to work from home and we

5849
04:06:51,439 --> 04:06:52,800
were quoted millions and millions and

5850
04:06:52,800 --> 04:06:55,040
millions of dollars and then co hit and

5851
04:06:55,040 --> 04:06:56,479
we handed everybody their computer and

5852
04:06:56,479 --> 04:06:58,399
said go work from home and it cost us

5853
04:06:58,399 --> 04:07:01,199
like $100,000 and so I think sometimes

5854
04:07:01,199 --> 04:07:02,560
people just get these projections and

5855
04:07:02,560 --> 04:07:03,840
they go it's going to cost too much.

5856
04:07:03,840 --> 04:07:05,040
It's going to cost millions. We'll never

5857
04:07:05,040 --> 04:07:06,720
be able to do it. But if everybody's

5858
04:07:06,720 --> 04:07:08,239
toilets clogged up and we couldn't get

5859
04:07:08,239 --> 04:07:10,319
it fixed today, I guarantee you there's

5860
04:07:10,319 --> 04:07:11,520
some good old boys that have figured out

5861
04:07:11,520 --> 04:07:12,319
a way.

5862
04:07:12,319 --> 04:07:13,920
>> I mean, this whole city was built on

5863
04:07:13,920 --> 04:07:15,359
people digging ditches. You know what I

5864
04:07:15,359 --> 04:07:17,680
mean? I mean, I know we can come up with

5865
04:07:17,680 --> 04:07:20,640
it. I just this stuff just genuinely,

5866
04:07:20,640 --> 04:07:22,239
joking aside, worries me, but we're

5867
04:07:22,239 --> 04:07:23,120
going to have

5868
04:07:23,120 --> 04:07:24,479
>> I mean, we're eating millions of dollars

5869
04:07:24,479 --> 04:07:27,279
every year and and going down the hole

5870
04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:27,760
and

5871
04:07:27,760 --> 04:07:29,359
>> we got that much we ain't got that much

5872
04:07:29,359 --> 04:07:31,040
reserve to keep doing.

5873
04:07:31,040 --> 04:07:33,120
>> Yeah. And so in my mind, I'm like, is it

5874
04:07:33,120 --> 04:07:37,439
worth is there the that if we had to and

5875
04:07:37,439 --> 04:07:38,880
it crashed today, what would the plan

5876
04:07:38,880 --> 04:07:41,680
be? You know, just curious, would we go

5877
04:07:41,680 --> 04:07:43,120
back to septic systems? I don't you

5878
04:07:43,120 --> 04:07:44,560
know, like what would be the answer to

5879
04:07:44,560 --> 04:07:47,670
solistic

5880
04:07:47,680 --> 04:07:49,840
solves to that would happen in time.

5881
04:07:49,840 --> 04:07:51,520
They want to flush their toilet tomorrow

5882
04:07:51,520 --> 04:07:52,960
or tonight.

5883
04:07:52,960 --> 04:07:54,560
>> That's right.

5884
04:07:54,560 --> 04:07:55,920
you know, and I think these are all

5885
04:07:55,920 --> 04:07:58,720
great ideas, but unfortunately

5886
04:07:58,720 --> 04:08:00,640
>> they're going to take time, just like

5887
04:08:00,640 --> 04:08:02,640
with the police problem. You know, it's

5888
04:08:02,640 --> 04:08:04,640
going to take time and commitment on you

5889
04:08:04,640 --> 04:08:08,160
guys' parts to put that in. So, you

5890
04:08:08,160 --> 04:08:10,560
know, those are great. let's let's shoot

5891
04:08:10,560 --> 04:08:12,640
for those and let's look at them and

5892
04:08:12,640 --> 04:08:16,080
stuff. But I think for the immediate now

5893
04:08:16,080 --> 04:08:18,960
>> we need to say you know even if we did

5894
04:08:18,960 --> 04:08:22,399
implement that I mean I did the audit

5895
04:08:22,399 --> 04:08:25,199
for Mountain Green Sewer that's why I

5896
04:08:25,199 --> 04:08:27,840
know I'm familiar with that situation it

5897
04:08:27,840 --> 04:08:31,359
took them quite a few years to get even

5898
04:08:31,359 --> 04:08:34,319
what they built now up to speed let

5899
04:08:34,319 --> 04:08:36,880
alone you know it's a different system

5900
04:08:36,880 --> 04:08:38,880
and everything and I get that but I'm

5901
04:08:38,880 --> 04:08:40,960
just saying you can't solve that problem

5902
04:08:40,960 --> 04:08:43,439
overnight. So we have to say okay what

5903
04:08:43,439 --> 04:08:46,239
are we going to do at this moment and

5904
04:08:46,239 --> 04:08:48,319
yes plan for the future we need to plan

5905
04:08:48,319 --> 04:08:51,040
for the future that's you know very

5906
04:08:51,040 --> 04:08:52,880
important but what are we going to do

5907
04:08:52,880 --> 04:08:55,760
today to keep the system running for at

5908
04:08:55,760 --> 04:08:57,920
least 5 years because realistically if

5909
04:08:57,920 --> 04:08:59,680
we do do something it's going to be at

5910
04:08:59,680 --> 04:09:03,199
least a 5year process right

5911
04:09:03,199 --> 04:09:08,160
>> yeah so what what's your thoughts what

5912
04:09:08,160 --> 04:09:09,680
direction do you want me to take with

5913
04:09:09,680 --> 04:09:13,760
the budget do you want a 10% increase.

5914
04:09:13,760 --> 04:09:17,359
That would mean that your citizens

5915
04:09:17,359 --> 04:09:20,319
bill would go basically

5916
04:09:20,319 --> 04:09:23,279
they're looking at a 76ish

5917
04:09:23,279 --> 04:09:27,120
dollar bill because I round it.

5918
04:09:27,120 --> 04:09:29,439
>> It was 50 something.

5919
04:09:29,439 --> 04:09:30,960
>> What [clears throat] was it now?

5920
04:09:30,960 --> 04:09:33,680
>> It's 708 now.

5921
04:09:33,680 --> 04:09:36,000
>> That's what it is a month.

5922
04:09:36,000 --> 04:09:38,950
>> Yep.

5923
04:09:38,960 --> 04:09:39,680
across the board.

5924
04:09:39,680 --> 04:09:43,199
>> Well, across the board.

5925
04:09:43,199 --> 04:09:45,840
>> So, I guess for me the answer to that

5926
04:09:45,840 --> 04:09:47,279
question is then what is our plan? So,

5927
04:09:47,279 --> 04:09:49,040
if our plan is this is a bandaid for 5

5928
04:09:49,040 --> 04:09:52,080
years to see how we fix the system, then

5929
04:09:52,080 --> 04:09:53,600
you know we need to charge the minimal

5930
04:09:53,600 --> 04:09:55,600
amount that we would want to increase

5931
04:09:55,600 --> 04:09:57,040
because we're planning to get out of it

5932
04:09:57,040 --> 04:10:00,239
anyway. But if our plan is that we are

5933
04:10:00,239 --> 04:10:01,359
going to have to hang on to this thing

5934
04:10:01,359 --> 04:10:02,560
for the next 20 years, we're probably

5935
04:10:02,560 --> 04:10:04,399
going to have to eat some bigger costs

5936
04:10:04,399 --> 04:10:06,399
and that residents are going to have to

5937
04:10:06,399 --> 04:10:07,600
Keep it up because

5938
04:10:07,600 --> 04:10:10,000
>> there is no way in five years we're

5939
04:10:10,000 --> 04:10:12,160
gonna have something put together that

5940
04:10:12,160 --> 04:10:16,160
would ever take this over. There is no

5941
04:10:16,160 --> 04:10:17,920
>> man. I just see the world differently.

5942
04:10:17,920 --> 04:10:19,199
>> Without

5943
04:10:19,199 --> 04:10:20,720
>> Yeah. Without some outside even with

5944
04:10:20,720 --> 04:10:22,560
some outside help we still you couldn't

5945
04:10:22,560 --> 04:10:23,840
get put in. But

5946
04:10:23,840 --> 04:10:25,199
>> they couldn't get a spansion bridge

5947
04:10:25,199 --> 04:10:27,840
across Niagara River for Niagara Falls.

5948
04:10:27,840 --> 04:10:30,000
And they got a kid who flew a kite

5949
04:10:30,000 --> 04:10:31,920
across it with a string to tie a rope to

5950
04:10:31,920 --> 04:10:33,520
it and got a spansion bridge across it.

5951
04:10:33,520 --> 04:10:36,239
cost them $5. They were are saying

5952
04:10:36,239 --> 04:10:37,199
it's going to cost them millions and

5953
04:10:37,199 --> 04:10:39,760
they never do it. I'm I'm a believer,

5954
04:10:39,760 --> 04:10:41,520
man. We can we can do it if we want to

5955
04:10:41,520 --> 04:10:44,160
do it. We got to get the right group.

5956
04:10:44,160 --> 04:10:45,359
That's just me.

5957
04:10:45,359 --> 04:10:46,880
>> But I realize that we have to be

5958
04:10:46,880 --> 04:10:48,800
pragmatic and I recognize we got a

5959
04:10:48,800 --> 04:10:49,520
budget.

5960
04:10:49,520 --> 04:10:49,840
>> Yeah.

5961
04:10:49,840 --> 04:10:51,760
>> But my thought is like now, okay, we're

5962
04:10:51,760 --> 04:10:52,960
going to go talk to the residents and

5963
04:10:52,960 --> 04:10:55,040
tell them our our citizens why now

5964
04:10:55,040 --> 04:10:58,000
they're paying $100 bill in five years

5965
04:10:58,000 --> 04:10:59,680
and we haven't fixed the system.

5966
04:10:59,680 --> 04:11:01,040
>> Yeah.

5967
04:11:01,040 --> 04:11:01,680
>> Things have gone out.

5968
04:11:01,680 --> 04:11:03,600
>> Yeah. More things gone out. And I'm not

5969
04:11:03,600 --> 04:11:05,920
saying that, you know, we increase it

5970
04:11:05,920 --> 04:11:08,319
10% next year. We don't we don't need to

5971
04:11:08,319 --> 04:11:10,080
increase it or we need to decrease it.

5972
04:11:10,080 --> 04:11:12,479
Great. Realistically, we're probably not

5973
04:11:12,479 --> 04:11:13,760
going to find that we're going to need

5974
04:11:13,760 --> 04:11:16,399
to decrease it. But, you know, if

5975
04:11:16,399 --> 04:11:18,000
something was to happen,

5976
04:11:18,000 --> 04:11:20,239
>> yeah, think outside the box. Take the

5977
04:11:20,239 --> 04:11:22,800
bull by the horns. Do what you can do.

5978
04:11:22,800 --> 04:11:24,479
>> Awesome. You know,

5979
04:11:24,479 --> 04:11:27,199
>> you're thinking right now.

5980
04:11:27,199 --> 04:11:33,590
>> It's kind of what I'm gearing towards.

5981
04:11:33,600 --> 04:11:35,439
anything else. We did a $2 here and $2

5982
04:11:35,439 --> 04:11:37,920
there. Like I feel like that's if we add

5983
04:11:37,920 --> 04:11:39,439
up, you have a spot where we add up

5984
04:11:39,439 --> 04:11:41,120
everything we've increased today.

5985
04:11:41,120 --> 04:11:42,960
>> Absolutely.

5986
04:11:42,960 --> 04:11:45,199
>> I just so happened to have it right

5987
04:11:45,199 --> 04:11:47,760
here. [laughter]

5988
04:11:47,760 --> 04:11:50,000
>> And let me make sure the sewer came over

5989
04:11:50,000 --> 04:11:51,680
correctly.

5990
04:11:51,680 --> 04:11:53,359
Yeah, it looks like it probably did.

5991
04:11:53,359 --> 04:11:54,960
>> I think you'd find out people thought

5992
04:11:54,960 --> 04:11:56,960
they were in not being able to flush

5993
04:11:56,960 --> 04:11:59,600
their toilets. They would be pretty

5994
04:11:59,600 --> 04:12:01,760
receptive to whatever

5995
04:12:01,760 --> 04:12:03,520
Yeah, you used to pay 10 cents to flush

5996
04:12:03,520 --> 04:12:04,800
a toilet.

5997
04:12:04,800 --> 04:12:06,720
>> Except for you always hope there's some

5998
04:12:06,720 --> 04:12:08,560
way out of the problem. We're not

5999
04:12:08,560 --> 04:12:10,160
getting any way out of the problem.

6000
04:12:10,160 --> 04:12:12,479
Every year we just have it really is a

6001
04:12:12,479 --> 04:12:13,439
bandaid.

6002
04:12:13,439 --> 04:12:15,120
>> I understand that.

6003
04:12:15,120 --> 04:12:18,239
>> But here's the other thing I know to do

6004
04:12:18,239 --> 04:12:20,800
something of any [clears throat] just to

6005
04:12:20,800 --> 04:12:23,040
get it put through even through the

6006
04:12:23,040 --> 04:12:25,760
feds. You can't do anything in a rush

6007
04:12:25,760 --> 04:12:26,960
when you deal with the government

6008
04:12:26,960 --> 04:12:29,199
especially something on the scale that

6009
04:12:29,199 --> 04:12:30,800
we are looking

6010
04:12:30,800 --> 04:12:41,030
It is going to take

6011
04:12:41,040 --> 04:12:54,229
» 950.

6012
04:12:54,239 --> 04:12:56,960
» That's

6013
04:12:56,960 --> 04:12:57,760
what it is.

6014
04:12:57,760 --> 04:12:59,359
>> What was the other option? Fine. I

6015
04:12:59,359 --> 04:13:04,870
agree.

6016
04:13:04,880 --> 04:13:07,600
» I mean, look what gas

6017
04:13:07,600 --> 04:13:19,670
point. It's just like

6018
04:13:19,680 --> 04:13:22,880
monthly bill up to

6019
04:13:22,880 --> 04:13:25,120
>> Well, if you had everything like one

6020
04:13:25,120 --> 04:13:26,479
garbage can.

6021
04:13:26,479 --> 04:13:28,319
>> What was the sewer? Did it put it up to

6022
04:13:28,319 --> 04:13:29,760
Was it 70?

6023
04:13:29,760 --> 04:13:30,080
>> Yeah,

6024
04:13:30,080 --> 04:13:31,439
>> it put it up to 79.

6025
04:13:31,439 --> 04:13:33,120
>> Maybe we

6026
04:13:33,120 --> 04:13:36,640
75 $76. We've got to get the sewer done.

6027
04:13:36,640 --> 04:13:38,479
Maybe we really do need to have a town

6028
04:13:38,479 --> 04:13:41,439
hall meeting and or even have him here.

6029
04:13:41,439 --> 04:13:43,439
Not a town hall, but have him here.

6030
04:13:43,439 --> 04:13:45,840
Representative from the sewer plant.

6031
04:13:45,840 --> 04:13:49,199
Jerry, you explain all this.

6032
04:13:49,199 --> 04:13:52,000
We we met once in West Haven even said

6033
04:13:52,000 --> 04:13:54,479
half about half of their city could go

6034
04:13:54,479 --> 04:13:55,840
by gravity

6035
04:13:55,840 --> 04:13:58,640
>> if we built something out our way.

6036
04:13:58,640 --> 04:14:02,159
>> I mean those pumping costs are serious.

6037
04:14:02,159 --> 04:14:05,040
>> So this is $9.30 a month

6038
04:14:05,040 --> 04:14:08,880
>> is the increase at year one

6039
04:14:08,880 --> 04:14:11,359
>> with everything if you had one of

6040
04:14:11,359 --> 04:14:14,880
everything recycling additional can

6041
04:14:14,880 --> 04:14:17,920
>> and I don't think that's bad person. I

6042
04:14:17,920 --> 04:14:21,520
think what we're doing this year

6043
04:14:21,520 --> 04:14:23,680
everywhere else not trying to keep up

6044
04:14:23,680 --> 04:14:25,199
with those

6045
04:14:25,199 --> 04:14:28,720
>> but didn't we do

6046
04:14:28,720 --> 04:14:32,469
water up [clears throat]

6047
04:14:32,479 --> 04:14:33,760
this year?

6048
04:14:33,760 --> 04:14:38,870
>> Yeah. Don't look at this year.

6049
04:14:38,880 --> 04:14:40,479
» Well, I don't see we have a choice

6050
04:14:40,479 --> 04:14:42,560
though here. I mean, what differently do

6051
04:14:42,560 --> 04:14:44,239
we do

6052
04:14:44,239 --> 04:14:50,000
>> by next Thursday? more

6053
04:14:50,000 --> 04:14:51,279
we do it weakness.

6054
04:14:51,279 --> 04:14:55,750
>> I think it's pretty easy to explain.

6055
04:14:55,760 --> 04:14:58,080
» Okay. So, here's another question I have

6056
04:14:58,080 --> 04:15:01,040
is within the uh capital projects fund,

6057
04:15:01,040 --> 04:15:03,680
we ended up with a little bit extra.

6058
04:15:03,680 --> 04:15:05,680
>> Do we want to just leave it there

6059
04:15:05,680 --> 04:15:08,319
knowing that maybe we I mean we could

6060
04:15:08,319 --> 04:15:10,159
budget for one of these storm water

6061
04:15:10,159 --> 04:15:12,800
problems in the capital projects fund

6062
04:15:12,800 --> 04:15:14,880
even? There's there's one thing I think

6063
04:15:14,880 --> 04:15:18,080
we might have forgotten our budget.

6064
04:15:18,080 --> 04:15:18,800
>> Yes, sir.

6065
04:15:18,800 --> 04:15:22,720
>> 5500 West close out. We haven't even

6066
04:15:22,720 --> 04:15:24,399
talked about for a long time, but we

6067
04:15:24,399 --> 04:15:26,239
never have closed that job out. And I

6068
04:15:26,239 --> 04:15:27,120
think we owe

6069
04:15:27,120 --> 04:15:29,120
>> Well, that's what I had that in there

6070
04:15:29,120 --> 04:15:30,960
and then we took it out.

6071
04:15:30,960 --> 04:15:32,880
>> Just leave.

6072
04:15:32,880 --> 04:15:35,760
>> How much do you think it is?

6073
04:15:35,760 --> 04:15:37,600
>> Taylor have to answer that question.

6074
04:15:37,600 --> 04:15:40,399
>> Is that the right 55 though? 55 to

6075
04:15:40,399 --> 04:15:42,239
Davis.

6076
04:15:42,239 --> 04:15:45,429
>> Not the

6077
04:15:45,439 --> 04:15:47,040
Which one is it then?

6078
04:15:47,040 --> 04:15:49,760
>> I get confused.

6079
04:15:49,760 --> 04:15:51,040
>> That one

6080
04:15:51,040 --> 04:15:56,630
>> has a current year at 16.

6081
04:15:56,640 --> 04:15:59,920
» So, do you think we owe another 50?

6082
04:15:59,920 --> 04:16:05,110
>> I put 50 in there.

6083
04:16:05,120 --> 04:16:09,120
» Taylor's done all the math on that one.

6084
04:16:09,120 --> 04:16:11,359
>> Okay. Can you hit him out?

6085
04:16:11,359 --> 04:16:12,720
>> Okay.

6086
04:16:12,720 --> 04:16:17,349
So, I guess we have about 87.

6087
04:16:17,359 --> 04:16:18,960
Do you want to just leave whatever's

6088
04:16:18,960 --> 04:16:21,439
excess in there? Do you want We had a

6089
04:16:21,439 --> 04:16:23,840
little bit extra in

6090
04:16:23,840 --> 04:16:29,910
here. 7,000.

6091
04:16:29,920 --> 04:16:33,920
I mean, realistically,

6092
04:16:33,920 --> 04:16:38,630
we could stick it to roads and be done.

6093
04:16:38,640 --> 04:16:45,189
Anybody

6094
04:16:45,199 --> 04:16:50,870
opposed to me just going like that?

6095
04:16:50,880 --> 04:16:52,640
» If you think that's what's right, I

6096
04:16:52,640 --> 04:16:53,680
don't oppose it.

6097
04:16:53,680 --> 04:16:56,239
>> Okay.

6098
04:16:56,239 --> 04:17:00,800
I mean, it's a legitimate place to use

6099
04:17:00,800 --> 04:17:06,880
some. Um that is without using any

6100
04:17:06,880 --> 04:17:09,680
I think that's without using any. No we

6101
04:17:09,680 --> 04:17:15,030
are using 608 of class zeros.

6102
04:17:15,040 --> 04:17:20,479
We could just not use 608 and use 600

6103
04:17:20,479 --> 04:17:22,880
or whatever we need to to balance. Maybe

6104
04:17:22,880 --> 04:17:25,040
we should just do that. Let's do that.

6105
04:17:25,040 --> 04:17:25,840
>> Okay.

6106
04:17:25,840 --> 04:17:28,239
>> Sorry [clears throat] I circle back

6107
04:17:28,239 --> 04:17:30,399
around. I think

6108
04:17:30,399 --> 04:17:32,479
>> there you put all your millions in a as

6109
04:17:32,479 --> 04:17:35,040
a benefactor and we'll name the sewage

6110
04:17:35,040 --> 04:17:36,399
treatment plan.

6111
04:17:36,399 --> 04:17:38,239
>> Okay,

6112
04:17:38,239 --> 04:17:40,798
>> we got about 0.1

6113
04:17:40,798 --> 04:17:42,239
[laughter]

6114
04:17:42,239 --> 04:17:43,840
sewage treatment plan.

6115
04:17:43,840 --> 04:17:46,319
>> I've had two. I wouldn't have given half

6116
04:17:46,319 --> 04:17:49,958
of it to Morgan.

6117
04:17:49,968 --> 04:17:51,199
[laughter]

6118
04:17:51,199 --> 04:17:52,640
>> You say she tried to charge me for

6119
04:17:52,640 --> 04:17:54,950
water.

6120
04:17:54,960 --> 04:17:56,399
Are you kidding?

6121
04:17:56,399 --> 04:17:58,080
>> When she dries.

6122
04:17:58,080 --> 04:18:00,080
>> Yes. Make sure that's Make sure that's

6123
04:18:00,080 --> 04:18:02,413
on record. That's a joke, you guys.

6124
04:18:02,413 --> 04:18:03,359
[laughter]

6125
04:18:03,359 --> 04:18:05,600
>> Don't get Morgan in trouble. This is

6126
04:18:05,600 --> 04:18:07,520
recorded. Remember,

6127
04:18:07,520 --> 04:18:10,239
>> that's no joke. [laughter]

6128
04:18:10,239 --> 04:18:14,848
>> Larry.

6129
04:18:14,858 --> 04:18:16,239
» [laughter]

6130
04:18:16,239 --> 04:18:23,520
>> So yeah, we use less classy roads and still transfer the 225 over to the

6131
04:18:23,520 --> 04:18:26,720
capital projects and just

6132
04:18:26,720 --> 04:18:29,680
if one of those problems come up with

6133
04:18:29,680 --> 04:18:31,760
the storm water, we could play for out

6134
04:18:31,760 --> 04:18:34,399
of capital projects,

6135
04:18:34,399 --> 04:18:36,800
>> which is no problem for us to do. Okay.

6136
04:18:36,800 --> 04:18:40,080
>> I I wouldn't be surprised if 5500 is

6137
04:18:40,080 --> 04:18:42,080
more than that.

6138
04:18:42,080 --> 04:18:46,880
1% of that project if we was over 1%

6139
04:18:46,880 --> 04:18:50,880
would be 120,000.

6140
04:18:50,880 --> 04:18:52,239
>> So now we just go with that off.

6141
04:18:52,239 --> 04:18:53,920
>> You can't get it closer than 1%. Come

6142
04:18:53,920 --> 04:18:55,199
on.

6143
04:18:55,199 --> 04:18:56,960
>> Yeah. And I text him but you know his

6144
04:18:56,960 --> 04:18:58,880
court is seven and some people don't

6145
04:18:58,880 --> 04:19:02,674
work online. So he

6146
04:19:02,674 --> 04:19:08,870
[laughter]

6147
04:19:08,880 --> 04:19:10,720
» we went back to wake up and got some

6148
04:19:10,720 --> 04:19:11,600
more.

6149
04:19:11,600 --> 04:19:15,269
Sounds about right.

6150
04:19:15,279 --> 04:19:19,040
» It doesn't take much. What do you think?

6151
04:19:19,040 --> 04:19:20,000
>> Roy, what do you think?

6152
04:19:20,000 --> 04:19:24,229
>> Yeah.

6153
04:19:24,239 --> 04:19:26,640
» Well,

6154
04:19:26,640 --> 04:19:28,720
I don't know about the super push part

6155
04:19:28,720 --> 04:19:29,359
of this.

6156
04:19:29,359 --> 04:19:30,880
>> I'll Where are we standing by the end of

6157
04:19:30,880 --> 04:19:31,279
this?

6158
04:19:31,279 --> 04:19:32,960
>> Oh, I think I think this is the best we

6159
04:19:32,960 --> 04:19:36,159
can do here as far as the budget.

6160
04:19:36,159 --> 04:19:38,880
>> I'll have to kind of think through the

6161
04:19:38,880 --> 04:19:42,080
sewer is a real problem.

6162
04:19:42,080 --> 04:19:45,120
and that isn't easily

6163
04:19:45,120 --> 04:19:46,800
>> fixed. But I do like your idea.

6164
04:19:46,800 --> 04:19:48,560
Sometimes

6165
04:19:48,560 --> 04:19:51,199
>> sometimes the real obvious isn't this

6166
04:19:51,199 --> 04:19:53,600
isn't isn't going to be the solution

6167
04:19:53,600 --> 04:20:02,469
>> exactly.

6168
04:20:02,479 --> 04:20:10,070
» No, because I was ask

6169
04:20:10,080 --> 04:20:13,040
to the fee schedule yet either.

6170
04:20:13,040 --> 04:20:17,040
>> So, back to the 50 West Link million

6171
04:20:17,040 --> 04:20:19,120
dollar project.

6172
04:20:19,120 --> 04:20:21,359
>> You're talking on the sewer.

6173
04:20:21,359 --> 04:20:23,040
>> Are we still paying West Haven the way

6174
04:20:23,040 --> 04:20:25,920
we pay every month for that?

6175
04:20:25,920 --> 04:20:28,239
>> So, we have an engineer that's telling

6176
04:20:28,239 --> 04:20:31,600
us that that needs to be replaced or is

6177
04:20:31,600 --> 04:20:33,920
that West Haven telling us that?

6178
04:20:33,920 --> 04:20:36,239
>> So, when we originally signed the

6179
04:20:36,239 --> 04:20:38,239
agreement with West Hy, we signed it for

6180
04:20:38,239 --> 04:20:41,279
300 homes and to 600 homes.

6181
04:20:41,279 --> 04:20:43,199
>> Last count we're over I would guess

6182
04:20:43,199 --> 04:20:44,800
we're a thousand. The last time they

6183
04:20:44,800 --> 04:20:47,840
counted it was 900. [clears throat]

6184
04:20:47,840 --> 04:20:49,840
We haven't paid any of our share. We

6185
04:20:49,840 --> 04:20:51,359
were supposed to be paying so much every

6186
04:20:51,359 --> 04:20:54,080
house connection. We have not. We were

6187
04:20:54,080 --> 04:20:55,359
supposed to be paying half the

6188
04:20:55,359 --> 04:20:58,080
maintenance. We have not.

6189
04:20:58,080 --> 04:20:58,720
>> So,

6190
04:20:58,720 --> 04:21:00,479
>> you know, how did all this surface? That

6191
04:21:00,479 --> 04:21:03,279
that's what's if all this how did all

6192
04:21:03,279 --> 04:21:04,720
this ever surface?

6193
04:21:04,720 --> 04:21:07,040
>> So, what happened was we got a bill from

6194
04:21:07,040 --> 04:21:10,000
West Haven and and Morgan and I had no

6195
04:21:10,000 --> 04:21:12,159
idea what it was. We got this wheeling

6196
04:21:12,159 --> 04:21:13,840
fee bill and I had no idea what a

6197
04:21:13,840 --> 04:21:16,720
wheeling fee even was. And it was at

6198
04:21:16,720 --> 04:21:19,760
that time like $36,000 or something

6199
04:21:19,760 --> 04:21:21,520
because we were behind. We hadn't paid.

6200
04:21:21,520 --> 04:21:24,479
We we didn't know what it was. So then

6201
04:21:24,479 --> 04:21:27,199
when I called West Haven and went over

6202
04:21:27,199 --> 04:21:30,239
and asked, then their engineer pulled

6203
04:21:30,239 --> 04:21:32,319
out this documentation and he and I

6204
04:21:32,319 --> 04:21:33,439
could have brought it. I have it at

6205
04:21:33,439 --> 04:21:35,199
home. Gave me a copy of all that

6206
04:21:35,199 --> 04:21:36,960
documentation of when it was first

6207
04:21:36,960 --> 04:21:39,760
signed with 300. Then when they

6208
04:21:39,760 --> 04:21:42,720
increased to the 600 and then the last

6209
04:21:42,720 --> 04:21:45,120
calculation that our financial manager

6210
04:21:45,120 --> 04:21:49,359
had done previously, we were like 9 61

6211
04:21:49,359 --> 04:21:50,720
homes or something. And then we're

6212
04:21:50,720 --> 04:21:53,120
talking, you know, now close to three

6213
04:21:53,120 --> 04:21:56,479
years ago. So we probably have had more

6214
04:21:56,479 --> 04:21:59,359
homes in those three years. So that's

6215
04:21:59,359 --> 04:22:02,000
when they he he said, "You really should

6216
04:22:02,000 --> 04:22:03,520
have been paying." And right in our

6217
04:22:03,520 --> 04:22:06,000
contract it says that X amount of

6218
04:22:06,000 --> 04:22:08,640
dollars per new connection, half of the

6219
04:22:08,640 --> 04:22:11,199
maintenance fee. And the engineer said,

6220
04:22:11,199 --> 04:22:13,359
"You really should be paying this." And

6221
04:22:13,359 --> 04:22:18,159
their sewer director said, "Okay, but we it's okay. We won't make you do

6222
04:22:18,159 --> 04:22:21,439
that, but really you cannot keep

6223
04:22:21,439 --> 04:22:24,960
connecting more homes into it." Now,

6224
04:22:24,960 --> 04:22:26,880
this doesn't, as you areware aware,

6225
04:22:26,880 --> 04:22:30,560
Dale, this doesn't go through our our um

6226
04:22:30,560 --> 04:22:33,279
vacuum. This is

6227
04:22:33,279 --> 04:22:35,920
goes right out and connects out you know

6228
04:22:35,920 --> 04:22:38,319
3300. So this is a whole little

6229
04:22:38,319 --> 04:22:41,199
different story but you know at first I

6230
04:22:41,199 --> 04:22:42,800
think Jared did you say Lake View was

6231
04:22:42,800 --> 04:22:44,640
the first one that connected to it? Lake

6232
04:22:44,640 --> 04:22:46,319
View subdivision

6233
04:22:46,319 --> 04:22:48,479
>> Lake View Freedom all of those first

6234
04:22:48,479 --> 04:22:54,630
ones kind of contributed more.

6235
04:22:54,640 --> 04:22:56,479
So it kind of sounds like somehow they

6236
04:22:56,479 --> 04:22:59,600
figured out internally that they had not

6237
04:22:59,600 --> 04:23:00,800
build us

6238
04:23:00,800 --> 04:23:01,680
>> and all.

6239
04:23:01,680 --> 04:23:03,199
>> Yeah. Yeah. We we didn't pay the bill

6240
04:23:03,199 --> 04:23:04,880
and then we didn't know and so then you

6241
04:23:04,880 --> 04:23:06,800
know I think Lord came in and said this

6242
04:23:06,800 --> 04:23:09,439
and I said I I have no idea. I didn't

6243
04:23:09,439 --> 04:23:11,600
even know whether we was. So that's when

6244
04:23:11,600 --> 04:23:13,359
they said

6245
04:23:13,359 --> 04:23:16,000
>> so now we

6246
04:23:16,000 --> 04:23:17,920
had left and I was coming in not knowing

6247
04:23:17,920 --> 04:23:20,399
because they never sent us an invoice.

6248
04:23:20,399 --> 04:23:22,880
>> So she called and said you guys need to

6249
04:23:22,880 --> 04:23:26,000
get out. Well, because we not and I

6250
04:23:26,000 --> 04:23:29,040
don't think it's so much capacity, but

6251
04:23:29,040 --> 04:23:33,199
some but we this was never ever the

6252
04:23:33,199 --> 04:23:35,600
agreement and then like Jared said it

6253
04:23:35,600 --> 04:23:40,080
really was by the best case scenario

6254
04:23:40,080 --> 04:23:44,309
right now.

6255
04:23:44,319 --> 04:23:45,680
add more

6256
04:23:45,680 --> 04:23:50,469
>> and if they don't have any more either

6257
04:23:50,479 --> 04:23:52,960
» so how did we come up with the idea that

6258
04:23:52,960 --> 04:23:55,760
we need to build our own

6259
04:23:55,760 --> 04:23:58,399
>> they said well that that was the that

6260
04:23:58,399 --> 04:24:00,880
was the lesser of the expense for us to

6261
04:24:00,880 --> 04:24:03,322
hook to this horse man to 4000

6262
04:24:03,322 --> 04:24:04,560
[clears throat] if we run a force man

6263
04:24:04,560 --> 04:24:06,720
all the way to 3300 it's even more but

6264
04:24:06,720 --> 04:24:09,439
if we hook in at 4000 this this is the

6265
04:24:09,439 --> 04:24:11,359
cheaper of the options

6266
04:24:11,359 --> 04:24:12,560
>> for us to

6267
04:24:12,560 --> 04:24:14,800
We're hooking into the force maintenance

6268
04:24:14,800 --> 04:24:18,159
the vacuum system because it was sized

6269
04:24:18,159 --> 04:24:21,359
maybe not for build out but for future

6270
04:24:21,359 --> 04:24:23,600
but the low flow and that causes us

6271
04:24:23,600 --> 04:24:26,080
problem. So we thought we can tie this

6272
04:24:26,080 --> 04:24:28,479
in there. We'll utilize some of that

6273
04:24:28,479 --> 04:24:31,439
capacity. Now in 20 30 years we're going

6274
04:24:31,439 --> 04:24:34,080
to need that capacity. So we're going to

6275
04:24:34,080 --> 04:24:35,760
have to start thinking about an

6276
04:24:35,760 --> 04:24:39,600
additional force man long term. So if we

6277
04:24:39,600 --> 04:24:50,309
do this now it will cover us for

6278
04:24:50,319 --> 04:24:52,880
So it's more

6279
04:24:52,880 --> 04:24:57,359
build it and do it now would be to

6280
04:24:57,359 --> 04:24:59,680
>> wise it's a good

6281
04:24:59,680 --> 04:25:01,760
>> and I don't I don't know I think one of

6282
04:25:01,760 --> 04:25:03,760
the other things when we talk about the

6283
04:25:03,760 --> 04:25:06,479
commercial development potential up

6284
04:25:06,479 --> 04:25:08,640
there they're going to have to tie that

6285
04:25:08,640 --> 04:25:11,680
new lift station into this don't

6286
04:25:11,680 --> 04:25:15,199
going to give us any more.

6287
04:25:15,199 --> 04:25:17,600
>> So that being said,

6288
04:25:17,600 --> 04:25:21,120
can we push some of the cost onto this

6289
04:25:21,120 --> 04:25:24,550
commercial development

6290
04:25:24,560 --> 04:25:27,600
if we do a CRA? Absolutely. This cost

6291
04:25:27,600 --> 04:25:29,040
would be on

6292
04:25:29,040 --> 04:25:30,960
>> and wasn't there remember when I

6293
04:25:30,960 --> 04:25:33,120
attended the Weaver County thing on your

6294
04:25:33,120 --> 04:25:35,040
behalf, there was something mentioned

6295
04:25:35,040 --> 04:25:37,520
there that said if there was a

6296
04:25:37,520 --> 04:25:40,479
preventative thing to development

6297
04:25:40,479 --> 04:25:41,840
city something that was prohibitive.

6298
04:25:41,840 --> 04:25:43,680
There was money for it. Do you remember

6299
04:25:43,680 --> 04:25:45,439
what that was for?

6300
04:25:45,439 --> 04:25:46,479
>> I don't know.

6301
04:25:46,479 --> 04:25:48,000
>> Because they they talked about a sewer.

6302
04:25:48,000 --> 04:25:49,120
They essentially said there was like a

6303
04:25:49,120 --> 04:25:50,640
city who wanted to do an improvement or

6304
04:25:50,640 --> 04:25:52,960
do a development, but it was prohibitive

6305
04:25:52,960 --> 04:25:54,399
because they needed an infrastructure

6306
04:25:54,399 --> 04:25:56,479
build out and the legislature was

6307
04:25:56,479 --> 04:25:58,319
earmarking an opportunity for us to get

6308
04:25:58,319 --> 04:25:59,439
funds.

6309
04:25:59,439 --> 04:26:01,600
>> Okay. There is a low interest loan. That

6310
04:26:01,600 --> 04:26:03,199
might be why [clears throat] this last

6311
04:26:03,199 --> 04:26:04,720
legislature they just passed and there

6312
04:26:04,720 --> 04:26:08,080
was like $70 million. But but it's a

6313
04:26:08,080 --> 04:26:11,120
loan. like 1.5%.

6314
04:26:11,120 --> 04:26:13,359
It's a really low income and that is

6315
04:26:13,359 --> 04:26:14,960
specifically for that.

6316
04:26:14,960 --> 04:26:17,120
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's an infrastructure

6317
04:26:17,120 --> 04:26:18,479
prohib that makes it prohibitive for

6318
04:26:18,479 --> 04:26:20,239
buildouts. Then cities have access to

6319
04:26:20,239 --> 04:26:20,800
funding.

6320
04:26:20,800 --> 04:26:23,359
>> So as you said, do we need to include

6321
04:26:23,359 --> 04:26:26,319
that in the budget if we're maybe

6322
04:26:26,319 --> 04:26:29,840
getting that money from

6323
04:26:29,840 --> 04:26:34,710
developer funds of some kind?

6324
04:26:34,720 --> 04:26:36,399
» I think it definitely could come out of

6325
04:26:36,399 --> 04:26:40,630
the budget if we

6326
04:26:40,640 --> 04:26:42,560
The question is are we going to do it

6327
04:26:42,560 --> 04:26:45,600
whether we do the CRA or not? And if we

6328
04:26:45,600 --> 04:26:51,110
are budget,

6329
04:26:51,120 --> 04:26:52,640
» it's definitely

6330
04:26:52,640 --> 04:26:56,070
>> conver.

6331
04:26:56,080 --> 04:26:58,080
» Do we have a time frame? I mean, if they

6332
04:26:58,080 --> 04:27:02,560
actually said they told you to

6333
04:27:02,560 --> 04:27:05,279
>> said it's time to be out and you know,

6334
04:27:05,279 --> 04:27:07,120
sewer says, "Oh, well, you know, we'll

6335
04:27:07,120 --> 04:27:09,040
work with you for a little bit."

6336
04:27:09,040 --> 04:27:11,199
According to their engineer, it was it

6337
04:27:11,199 --> 04:27:13,600
should but they're not going to kick us

6338
04:27:13,600 --> 04:27:16,640
out. They're not. But if we had a plan,

6339
04:27:16,640 --> 04:27:19,600
I mean, all this hinges on plans. So

6340
04:27:19,600 --> 04:27:22,000
like we have this plan within the next

6341
04:27:22,000 --> 04:27:23,520
six months we're going to be I don't

6342
04:27:23,520 --> 04:27:25,840
know. I'm just throwing up time frames.

6343
04:27:25,840 --> 04:27:27,199
Next six months we're going to be

6344
04:27:27,199 --> 04:27:29,359
applying for a CRA. We can include this

6345
04:27:29,359 --> 04:27:32,479
in it. Can you give us a year? I think

6346
04:27:32,479 --> 04:27:34,479
they would say yes, but if we go to them

6347
04:27:34,479 --> 04:27:38,239
and say we we have no plan at all.

6348
04:27:38,239 --> 04:27:44,710
about the $7 million

6349
04:27:44,720 --> 04:27:47,520
and we don't I don't I saw you since I

6350
04:27:47,520 --> 04:27:49,680
saw Blake Moore asked him about it and

6351
04:27:49,680 --> 04:27:51,120
he said oh yeah you know you were the

6352
04:27:51,120 --> 04:27:53,600
one that was but but we don't know when

6353
04:27:53,600 --> 04:27:55,520
and we don't know the amount

6354
04:27:55,520 --> 04:27:57,920
>> we don't know what

6355
04:27:57,920 --> 04:28:00,399
>> we were accepted we we turned in the

6356
04:28:00,399 --> 04:28:03,439
grant and our our grant was one that was

6357
04:28:03,439 --> 04:28:05,920
accepted and received funding

6358
04:28:05,920 --> 04:28:08,640
>> that we don't yet how much money or when

6359
04:28:08,640 --> 04:28:10,159
we

6360
04:28:10,159 --> 04:28:12,640
>> and I know the state has like they've

6361
04:28:12,640 --> 04:28:14,845
said there $100 million for

6362
04:28:14,845 --> 04:28:16,800
[clears throat] other stuff around and

6363
04:28:16,800 --> 04:28:20,159
then they appropriated 150 million for

6364
04:28:20,159 --> 04:28:22,705
town which kind of tick me off like

6365
04:28:22,705 --> 04:28:23,279
[clears throat]

6366
04:28:23,279 --> 04:28:25,199
it's 100 million but Salt Lake County

6367
04:28:25,199 --> 04:28:28,239
gets 150 million but that's about our

6368
04:28:28,239 --> 04:28:29,439
>> well they should do some of that for

6369
04:28:29,439 --> 04:28:32,000
home [laughter]

6370
04:28:32,000 --> 04:28:35,040
>> but yeah exactly makes

6371
04:28:35,040 --> 04:28:37,439
>> but that's really to look into. I mean

6372
04:28:37,439 --> 04:28:40,880
that would help and we do have

6373
04:28:40,880 --> 04:28:44,319
>> I mean we did 5500 for commercial. It's

6374
04:28:44,319 --> 04:28:46,159
not just

6375
04:28:46,159 --> 04:28:49,120
the other but we do need to have

6376
04:28:49,120 --> 04:28:50,239
something

6377
04:28:50,239 --> 04:28:52,399
>> well with all the stuff that's coming

6378
04:28:52,399 --> 04:28:54,800
from the state of being free and

6379
04:28:54,800 --> 04:28:56,720
everything else and they want us to do

6380
04:28:56,720 --> 04:28:58,800
this this and this. I'm pretty sure

6381
04:28:58,800 --> 04:29:00,880
there will be an avenue to help us do

6382
04:29:00,880 --> 04:29:02,239
some of this

6383
04:29:02,239 --> 04:29:05,040
>> and we can look into what

6384
04:29:05,040 --> 04:29:06,319
you kind of

6385
04:29:06,319 --> 04:29:10,080
>> so that if we take the million dollar

6386
04:29:10,080 --> 04:29:10,640
>> y

6387
04:29:10,640 --> 04:29:12,239
>> what does that do to our numbers for

6388
04:29:12,239 --> 04:29:15,199
monthly services?

6389
04:29:15,199 --> 04:29:23,670
So

6390
04:29:23,680 --> 04:29:25,439
» again, we take that out.

6391
04:29:25,439 --> 04:29:26,560
>> If we take that out,

6392
04:29:26,560 --> 04:29:28,960
>> we're not doing it. You're telling me

6393
04:29:28,960 --> 04:29:30,239
then

6394
04:29:30,239 --> 04:29:32,880
>> we're waiting on a possible grant or

6395
04:29:32,880 --> 04:29:35,120
possible CRA with the developer.

6396
04:29:35,120 --> 04:29:38,149
>> Yeah.

6397
04:29:38,159 --> 04:29:40,319
» But if we put it in there as an

6398
04:29:40,319 --> 04:29:43,120
>> ear if we did not

6399
04:29:43,120 --> 04:29:44,319
take it out if we don't

6400
04:29:44,319 --> 04:29:46,479
>> we had 6.25.

6401
04:29:46,479 --> 04:29:48,159
So if we went back to that which is what

6402
04:29:48,159 --> 04:29:50,319
we did last year

6403
04:29:50,319 --> 04:29:51,920
>> um we'd be

6404
04:29:51,920 --> 04:29:53,279
>> right about where we were.

6405
04:29:53,279 --> 04:29:54,720
>> So if we took that out and dropped the

6406
04:29:54,720 --> 04:29:56,479
rate the the increase for our residents

6407
04:29:56,479 --> 04:29:57,920
to 6.25

6408
04:29:57,920 --> 04:29:59,120
like we were talking about.

6409
04:29:59,120 --> 04:29:59,520
>> Okay.

6410
04:29:59,520 --> 04:30:01,439
>> Then we're sitting about $100,000 more

6411
04:30:01,439 --> 04:30:03,359
favorable at the end of this

6412
04:30:03,359 --> 04:30:05,120
>> at the end of the five year. And again,

6413
04:30:05,120 --> 04:30:07,600
this is very rough. You know, obviously

6414
04:30:07,600 --> 04:30:08,239
things change.

6415
04:30:08,239 --> 04:30:09,760
>> So,

6416
04:30:09,760 --> 04:30:16,070
what about

6417
04:30:16,080 --> 04:30:18,479
that's what I hope the spreadsheet will

6418
04:30:18,479 --> 04:30:20,080
do.

6419
04:30:20,080 --> 04:30:25,349
>> Puts us at least

6420
04:30:25,359 --> 04:30:28,000
because if we don't get a about $75 a

6421
04:30:28,000 --> 04:30:28,560
month.

6422
04:30:28,560 --> 04:30:30,640
>> Within a year, are we going to need that

6423
04:30:30,640 --> 04:30:31,600
money?

6424
04:30:31,600 --> 04:30:33,520
>> But within a year, we'll know the answer

6425
04:30:33,520 --> 04:30:34,399
to those two question.

6426
04:30:34,399 --> 04:30:36,640
>> Yes, we will.

6427
04:30:36,640 --> 04:30:39,040
>> So, you'd be like 7 I'd round it up to

6428
04:30:39,040 --> 04:30:40,319
$75.

6429
04:30:40,319 --> 04:30:43,840
>> Okay, let's do that.

6430
04:30:43,840 --> 04:30:46,239
>> Direction you guys want me to take?

6431
04:30:46,239 --> 04:30:48,800
>> I mean, I like I feel like it's a much

6432
04:30:48,800 --> 04:30:50,239
more conservative approach for our

6433
04:30:50,239 --> 04:30:52,479
residents and it gives us an opportunity

6434
04:30:52,479 --> 04:30:53,920
to see if we're going to get these

6435
04:30:53,920 --> 04:30:56,479
grants or any of that stuff. gives us

6436
04:30:56,479 --> 04:30:57,840
the talking point to say, look, we're

6437
04:30:57,840 --> 04:30:59,279
doing everything we can on our end.

6438
04:30:59,279 --> 04:30:59,600
>> Yeah.

6439
04:30:59,600 --> 04:31:00,800
>> This isn't a guarantee. You're taking

6440
04:31:00,800 --> 04:31:01,840
the risk,

6441
04:31:01,840 --> 04:31:03,840
>> but also, you know, we're trying not to

6442
04:31:03,840 --> 04:31:05,600
pass this full cost on you.

6443
04:31:05,600 --> 04:31:07,040
>> What is that? What is that overall

6444
04:31:07,040 --> 04:31:09,040
amount that the It was like nine

6445
04:31:09,040 --> 04:31:11,359
something on your other tab.

6446
04:31:11,359 --> 04:31:14,319
>> Oh, yeah. On the uh revenue,

6447
04:31:14,319 --> 04:31:15,359
>> how what Ray

6448
04:31:15,359 --> 04:31:20,000
>> How how feeling on the potential getting

6449
04:31:20,000 --> 04:31:24,143
the grant and the realistic potential

6450
04:31:24,143 --> 04:31:28,469
[cough]

6451
04:31:28,479 --> 04:31:31,040
I I think we could I think we could do a

6452
04:31:31,040 --> 04:31:33,520
CRA. I think they would be supportive of

6453
04:31:33,520 --> 04:31:35,359
us. For one thing, we've never asked for

6454
04:31:35,359 --> 04:31:37,199
one before. Hooper's never applied for

6455
04:31:37,199 --> 04:31:41,600
one. Other cities have. So, I think I

6456
04:31:41,600 --> 04:31:44,000
think we would have as good a chance as

6457
04:31:44,000 --> 04:31:45,920
any

6458
04:31:45,920 --> 04:31:48,239
and they they have restricted some of

6459
04:31:48,239 --> 04:31:50,800
their but I don't know. Some ask for a

6460
04:31:50,800 --> 04:31:54,000
lot more than we would be asking for. We

6461
04:31:54,000 --> 04:31:56,399
for the two million for the lift and you

6462
04:31:56,399 --> 04:31:58,880
know million for this [cough]

6463
04:31:58,880 --> 04:32:01,199
infrastructure else that's a lot more

6464
04:32:01,199 --> 04:32:03,359
than they were asking for example like

6465
04:32:03,359 --> 04:32:06,080
the target or you know

6466
04:32:06,080 --> 04:32:09,680
>> if we use cash like a grant is there

6467
04:32:09,680 --> 04:32:11,680
some participation you think from the

6468
04:32:11,680 --> 04:32:13,279
developers

6469
04:32:13,279 --> 04:32:16,560
at one time Doug Han paying for a

6470
04:32:16,560 --> 04:32:17,439
million dollar

6471
04:32:17,439 --> 04:32:19,279
>> develop agreement there could be or

6472
04:32:19,279 --> 04:32:20,880
should be

6473
04:32:20,880 --> 04:32:26,469
>> so maybe the whole we

6474
04:32:26,479 --> 04:32:29,633
Yes.

6475
04:32:29,643 --> 04:32:34,950
[clears throat]

6476
04:32:34,960 --> 04:32:41,429
» Money. [snorts]

6477
04:32:41,439 --> 04:32:43,760
» Okay. Okay. Next question.

6478
04:32:43,760 --> 04:32:45,363
>> Question.

6479
04:32:45,363 --> 04:32:46,560
[laughter]

6480
04:32:46,560 --> 04:32:48,880
>> On the financials

6481
04:32:48,880 --> 04:32:54,319
um for the sewer page page 12.

6482
04:32:54,319 --> 04:32:56,640
It seems like we've created some

6483
04:32:56,640 --> 04:32:58,239
categories

6484
04:32:58,239 --> 04:33:00,399
this year

6485
04:33:00,399 --> 04:33:02,800
to begin the year because they weren't

6486
04:33:02,800 --> 04:33:05,039
budgeted for. So if you look down the

6487
04:33:05,039 --> 04:33:09,359
budget column, two

6488
04:33:09,359 --> 04:33:11,039
zero

6489
04:33:11,039 --> 04:33:16,709
we've spent money in those

6490
04:33:16,719 --> 04:33:24,310
» financial

6491
04:33:24,320 --> 04:33:29,670
year

6492
04:33:29,680 --> 04:33:32,160
» but we spend money in that category to

6493
04:33:32,160 --> 04:33:34,799
the actual some instances pretty

6494
04:33:34,799 --> 04:33:37,520
significant like on new connection

6495
04:33:37,520 --> 04:33:39,359
expenses.

6496
04:33:39,359 --> 04:33:42,350
Did those categories just get created

6497
04:33:42,350 --> 04:33:44,561
[clears throat] this fiscal year or what

6498
04:33:44,561 --> 04:33:45,600
happened?

6499
04:33:45,600 --> 04:33:47,840
>> What numbers which number down the aisle

6500
04:33:47,840 --> 04:33:48,639
are you going?

6501
04:33:48,639 --> 04:33:50,799
>> So let's start

6502
04:33:50,799 --> 04:33:54,000
administration 2046 3000.

6503
04:33:54,000 --> 04:33:57,119
>> Yeah. And I see what you're saying. Um

6504
04:33:57,119 --> 04:33:59,439
>> and I'll have to go back and look at

6505
04:33:59,439 --> 04:34:01,600
each one of those items

6506
04:34:01,600 --> 04:34:04,799
>> um because because [clears throat]

6507
04:34:04,799 --> 04:34:07,680
it may just be a coating. How, you know,

6508
04:34:07,680 --> 04:34:09,520
maybe it's been coated some way in the

6509
04:34:09,520 --> 04:34:11,920
past and it got put there. I'll have to

6510
04:34:11,920 --> 04:34:15,119
look. The main thing overall is, you

6511
04:34:15,119 --> 04:34:18,240
know, like I've said at the bottom if if

6512
04:34:18,240 --> 04:34:21,039
they need to rob Peter to pay Paul,

6513
04:34:21,039 --> 04:34:23,520
>> you know, staff.

6514
04:34:23,520 --> 04:34:25,680
>> Some of them are fairly fairly

6515
04:34:25,680 --> 04:34:28,240
substantial, right? 128,000, one's

6516
04:34:28,240 --> 04:34:30,000
81,000.

6517
04:34:30,000 --> 04:34:32,240
>> Yeah. and without having the I didn't

6518
04:34:32,240 --> 04:34:33,760
bring the detail ledger with me.

6519
04:34:33,760 --> 04:34:36,160
>> So what is administration for example

6520
04:34:36,160 --> 04:34:41,109
like what is that?

6521
04:34:41,119 --> 04:34:42,879
» No, let me look in and see

6522
04:34:42,879 --> 04:34:44,561
>> what we pay out of that camera.

6523
04:34:44,561 --> 04:34:48,504
>> Well, let me pull up the default ledger.

6524
04:34:48,504 --> 04:34:50,869
[clears throat]

6525
04:34:50,879 --> 04:34:52,719
» Connection expenses.

6526
04:34:52,719 --> 04:34:54,639
>> And if you have questions like this,

6527
04:34:54,639 --> 04:34:58,160
you're welcome to email me or call me

6528
04:34:58,160 --> 04:35:00,719
>> and stuff. But yeah, that's fine.

6529
04:35:00,719 --> 04:35:02,799
>> No, you're fine. I'm just saying that,

6530
04:35:02,799 --> 04:35:04,799
you know, I'm always open to talking

6531
04:35:04,799 --> 04:35:05,279
about it.

6532
04:35:05,279 --> 04:35:06,639
>> I'm not sure where you've got them in

6533
04:35:06,639 --> 04:35:08,799
there. Some of the new connections would

6534
04:35:08,799 --> 04:35:11,840
be new people hooking onto the sewer

6535
04:35:11,840 --> 04:35:13,760
that aren't a big enough developer to do

6536
04:35:13,760 --> 04:35:16,320
it on their own. And so they pay us, we

6537
04:35:16,320 --> 04:35:19,119
get it done. So there's that offset. We

6538
04:35:19,119 --> 04:35:22,719
have an expense, but

6539
04:35:22,719 --> 04:35:24,080
come back. So it wouldn't actually be an

6540
04:35:24,080 --> 04:35:26,000
expense. It just be covering

6541
04:35:26,000 --> 04:35:27,805
temporarily. And what we've done,

6542
04:35:27,805 --> 04:35:29,600
[clears throat] if you remember the last

6543
04:35:29,600 --> 04:35:31,840
fee schedule adjustment, they're so all

6544
04:35:31,840 --> 04:35:34,799
over the board, we can't put one fee in

6545
04:35:34,799 --> 04:35:36,639
it. It feels like we're ripping one guy

6546
04:35:36,639 --> 04:35:38,320
off and the next guy we're taking it in

6547
04:35:38,320 --> 04:35:40,080
the short. So, we just have them give us

6548
04:35:40,080 --> 04:35:43,039
a deposit, we go get the work done, buy

6549
04:35:43,039 --> 04:35:45,279
the parts, get it done, and then we give

6550
04:35:45,279 --> 04:35:47,279
them a list of what we spent, give their

6551
04:35:47,279 --> 04:35:48,799
money back.

6552
04:35:48,799 --> 04:35:51,279
>> Okay. So, what

6553
04:35:51,279 --> 04:35:52,719
>> administration? Did you find it?

6554
04:35:52,719 --> 04:35:54,240
>> Yeah, I've got it here.

6555
04:35:54,240 --> 04:35:56,561
>> So, it just seems like there's been

6556
04:35:56,561 --> 04:35:58,799
created throughout this last fiscal year

6557
04:35:58,799 --> 04:36:00,639
because they weren't budgeted for at the

6558
04:36:00,639 --> 04:36:01,840
beginning of last year.

6559
04:36:01,840 --> 04:36:03,279
>> Yeah.

6560
04:36:03,279 --> 04:36:06,320
>> Uhhuh. So this the administration is

6561
04:36:06,320 --> 04:36:09,119
half of the utilities.

6562
04:36:09,119 --> 04:36:13,600
Um they were not being allocated there.

6563
04:36:13,600 --> 04:36:16,080
Um so half of the utilities for like

6564
04:36:16,080 --> 04:36:19,199
this building per se. Um

6565
04:36:19,199 --> 04:36:20,000
>> those are like

6566
04:36:20,000 --> 04:36:23,359
>> should they maybe be put in with 1,000?

6567
04:36:23,359 --> 04:36:24,719
Yeah, we could move them up and put them

6568
04:36:24,719 --> 04:36:26,480
in with title that is this is the

6569
04:36:26,480 --> 04:36:28,639
administrative building's sewer.

6570
04:36:28,639 --> 04:36:30,320
>> Okay. So it's not somebody administering

6571
04:36:30,320 --> 04:36:31,359
sewer.

6572
04:36:31,359 --> 04:36:32,719
>> No no

6573
04:36:32,719 --> 04:36:35,271
>> we want to flush the toilet.

6574
04:36:35,271 --> 04:36:36,639
[laughter]

6575
04:36:36,639 --> 04:36:37,840
>> That's what it cost to flush the toilet

6576
04:36:37,840 --> 04:36:42,150
in the city hall.

6577
04:36:42,160 --> 04:36:46,240
» Um the new connection

6578
04:36:46,240 --> 04:36:51,199
>> I'm looking here that is 2046.

6579
04:36:51,199 --> 04:36:53,520
I guess just my general question is were

6580
04:36:53,520 --> 04:36:55,920
those categories

6581
04:36:55,920 --> 04:36:58,480
already there or were they just created?

6582
04:36:58,480 --> 04:37:01,119
>> They were there but for

6583
04:37:01,119 --> 04:37:05,920
>> not they just weren't budgeted. Um this

6584
04:37:05,920 --> 04:37:08,959
128 is actually Central Weber sewer. We

6585
04:37:08,959 --> 04:37:11,600
need to move that over to Central Weber

6586
04:37:11,600 --> 04:37:14,480
sewers. That got miscoded.

6587
04:37:14,480 --> 04:37:18,000
>> Expense. Mhm. Yeah, that 128 is actually

6588
04:37:18,000 --> 04:37:23,039
Central Wers Central Weber Davis.

6589
04:37:23,039 --> 04:37:25,119
Yeah, CWSD

6590
04:37:25,119 --> 04:37:27,920
utilities. It should be over there.

6591
04:37:27,920 --> 04:37:30,320
>> Yeah.

6592
04:37:30,320 --> 04:37:31,920
[laughter] you can see where I'm

6593
04:37:31,920 --> 04:37:34,320
coming from.

6594
04:37:34,320 --> 04:37:36,719
>> Yeah. I mean, I wish I had time to go

6595
04:37:36,719 --> 04:37:38,480
through it with a fine tooth comb and

6596
04:37:38,480 --> 04:37:40,639
review every transaction that everybody

6597
04:37:40,639 --> 04:37:43,600
does, but

6598
04:37:43,600 --> 04:37:45,119
Anything

6599
04:37:45,119 --> 04:37:48,869
else? What's next?

6600
04:37:48,879 --> 04:37:51,680
» Are you Did you have any more

6601
04:37:51,680 --> 04:37:53,119
to the uh

6602
04:37:53,119 --> 04:37:54,799
>> desched time? Okay,

6603
04:37:54,799 --> 04:37:56,959
>> fantastic. Let's jump to that.

6604
04:37:56,959 --> 04:38:00,000
>> We'regan ordering

6605
04:38:00,000 --> 04:38:01,439
hers. We'll go get

6606
04:38:01,439 --> 04:38:03,199
>> So, you want me to start, Danny?

6607
04:38:03,199 --> 04:38:05,600
>> Uh, two seconds. I'm going to pull it up

6608
04:38:05,600 --> 04:38:17,670
right now.

6609
04:38:17,680 --> 04:38:21,279
It would be the uh tab one, I believe.

6610
04:38:21,279 --> 04:38:23,680
Yeah, tab one. But it's like the second

6611
04:38:23,680 --> 04:38:30,310
page.

6612
04:38:30,320 --> 04:38:32,959
» Same thing on this, right?

6613
04:38:32,959 --> 04:38:36,639
>> Yeah. Same thing on that. Yep. Okay. See

6614
04:38:36,639 --> 04:38:39,119
if my eyeballs can see it.

6615
04:38:39,119 --> 04:38:41,039
>> Okay.

6616
04:38:41,039 --> 04:38:43,680
Shoot away, Larry.

6617
04:38:43,680 --> 04:38:46,320
>> Yes, I'm trying to go.

6618
04:38:46,320 --> 04:38:49,359
>> So, this is on the uh cemetery, and it

6619
04:38:49,359 --> 04:38:52,879
kind of boils down to what Michelle had

6620
04:38:52,879 --> 04:38:55,439
told us when was in a whole different

6621
04:38:55,439 --> 04:39:00,080
meeting down at Hookeration that uh uh

6622
04:39:00,080 --> 04:39:02,080
the mortuaries are sending people out

6623
04:39:02,080 --> 04:39:05,680
here to Hooker uh to be buried.

6624
04:39:05,680 --> 04:39:09,039
And uh our fees are because our fees are

6625
04:39:09,039 --> 04:39:12,561
so much lower. And was it Morgan that

6626
04:39:12,561 --> 04:39:14,160
got us the schedule of all the

6627
04:39:14,160 --> 04:39:15,279
surrounding cities?

6628
04:39:15,279 --> 04:39:16,639
>> It was it was Stephanie.

6629
04:39:16,639 --> 04:39:19,760
>> Stephanie. Oh yeah. So Stephanie gave us

6630
04:39:19,760 --> 04:39:23,199
this thing. Uh so the next cheapest one

6631
04:39:23,199 --> 04:39:26,719
I think was like West Haven at 575 for a

6632
04:39:26,719 --> 04:39:29,680
resident and I think their non-resident

6633
04:39:29,680 --> 04:39:31,840
was around,00.

6634
04:39:31,840 --> 04:39:37,199
So my thought was uh is that uh you know

6635
04:39:37,199 --> 04:39:40,000
and this is up for discussion but would

6636
04:39:40,000 --> 04:39:44,958
be to raise our resident to $600

6637
04:39:44,958 --> 04:39:47,680
>> and that which would be higher than uh

6638
04:39:47,680 --> 04:39:50,080
the neighboring cities. But with that

6639
04:39:50,080 --> 04:39:54,638
being said that we gave them a

6640
04:39:54,638 --> 04:39:56,480
>> Okay. Thank you.

6641
04:39:56,480 --> 04:40:00,400
>> I'm trying to find it. I'm like okay.

6642
04:40:00,400 --> 04:40:03,360
Right there. give our residents uh

6643
04:40:03,360 --> 04:40:07,520
maybe like a sixmonth grace period of

6644
04:40:07,520 --> 04:40:10,798
the old price until hey

6645
04:40:10,798 --> 04:40:12,240
>> you want to buy it

6646
04:40:12,240 --> 04:40:12,798
>> what's that

6647
04:40:12,798 --> 04:40:13,840
>> if you want to buy it

6648
04:40:13,840 --> 04:40:16,638
>> yeah if you want it buy it $800

6649
04:40:16,638 --> 04:40:19,200
otherwise it goes up to 600 I think the

6650
04:40:19,200 --> 04:40:22,240
non-resident fee at $1,800

6651
04:40:22,240 --> 04:40:26,400
uh and and I checked uh more than what

6652
04:40:26,400 --> 04:40:29,440
Stephanie sent us out and uh I don't

6653
04:40:29,440 --> 04:40:31,280
think it's too unreasonable

6654
04:40:31,280 --> 04:40:33,280
But then with that, there's also one

6655
04:40:33,280 --> 04:40:36,080
down there further if a resident sold it

6656
04:40:36,080 --> 04:40:38,000
to a non-resident

6657
04:40:38,000 --> 04:40:41,040
that we charge 1,200

6658
04:40:41,040 --> 04:40:42,798
uh instead of 525.

6659
04:40:42,798 --> 04:40:43,680
>> Does that matter because they're

6660
04:40:43,680 --> 04:40:45,600
non-resident? I know I've experienced

6661
04:40:45,600 --> 04:40:48,878
here in Utah, my grandparents giving,

6662
04:40:48,878 --> 04:40:51,040
you know, we buried a son, my wife's

6663
04:40:51,040 --> 04:40:53,040
grandpa gave us one of his spots, right?

6664
04:40:53,040 --> 04:40:55,280
Because we weren't prepared for that. Um

6665
04:40:55,280 --> 04:40:59,120
and so is is that how like if a transfer

6666
04:40:59,120 --> 04:41:01,200
was to like family member. Does it apply

6667
04:41:01,200 --> 04:41:01,920
the same?

6668
04:41:01,920 --> 04:41:03,600
>> Probably have to ask Stephanie or

6669
04:41:03,600 --> 04:41:04,958
Morgan. Is that

6670
04:41:04,958 --> 04:41:08,320
>> it's kind of a local problem that we get

6671
04:41:08,320 --> 04:41:10,320
really the grandpa if he owned it here

6672
04:41:10,320 --> 04:41:12,320
and the grandson didn't live here, he

6673
04:41:12,320 --> 04:41:14,080
could say, "Well, I want him in my spot

6674
04:41:14,080 --> 04:41:16,480
in one of my places and there's no way

6675
04:41:16,480 --> 04:41:18,080
to collect that.

6676
04:41:18,080 --> 04:41:20,240
>> So, it gets hard to collect and all the

6677
04:41:20,240 --> 04:41:23,840
little people try to get around it."

6678
04:41:23,840 --> 04:41:25,360
>> That's where you increase the

6679
04:41:25,360 --> 04:41:26,958
intermittent fees,

6680
04:41:26,958 --> 04:41:28,798
>> the interment fees.

6681
04:41:28,798 --> 04:41:30,000
>> Yeah.

6682
04:41:30,000 --> 04:41:33,520
Just an FYI for thought, Bountiful City

6683
04:41:33,520 --> 04:41:35,920
charges $2800

6684
04:41:35,920 --> 04:41:38,878
per burial plot.

6685
04:41:38,878 --> 04:41:40,240
>> Yeah, here they are.

6686
04:41:40,240 --> 04:41:43,440
>> Roy is out of room, but they just bought one of those pieces of

6687
04:41:43,440 --> 04:41:44,878
G to expand their city

6688
04:41:44,878 --> 04:41:48,958
>> was donated to the mayor told me on

6689
04:41:48,958 --> 04:41:50,798
Monday. It was

6690
04:41:50,798 --> 04:41:53,120
>> by 31st. So, so when I got with

6691
04:41:53,120 --> 04:41:56,000
Stephanie and she didn't have exact

6692
04:41:56,000 --> 04:41:59,120
numbers, but from best

6693
04:41:59,120 --> 04:42:01,120
>> we probably got 30 years

6694
04:42:01,120 --> 04:42:01,920
>> I can find out

6695
04:42:01,920 --> 04:42:03,760
>> of

6696
04:42:03,760 --> 04:42:07,520
space here in Her possibly 40 years and

6697
04:42:07,520 --> 04:42:12,320
that. Uh but I just think if we're the

6698
04:42:12,320 --> 04:42:15,520
lowest in the area, yeah, why aren't you

6699
04:42:15,520 --> 04:42:18,320
know people going to come out here? Uh

6700
04:42:18,320 --> 04:42:20,958
and I uh

6701
04:42:20,958 --> 04:42:22,798
these are just starting numbers for you

6702
04:42:22,798 --> 04:42:27,600
guys uh that I thought of. Uh you know

6703
04:42:27,600 --> 04:42:31,520
if there's a baby that's uh born uh you

6704
04:42:31,520 --> 04:42:33,120
know I think there ought to be some

6705
04:42:33,120 --> 04:42:36,868
consideration.

6706
04:42:36,878 --> 04:42:38,718
» Yeah. You know

6707
04:42:38,718 --> 04:42:40,958
>> I can tell you at Myers they don't

6708
04:42:40,958 --> 04:42:42,878
charge for the funeral.

6709
04:42:42,878 --> 04:42:44,638
When we buried our son, they said that

6710
04:42:44,638 --> 04:42:47,360
they buried 17 in their family alone.

6711
04:42:47,360 --> 04:42:48,958
And so they don't charge families for

6712
04:42:48,958 --> 04:42:51,120
the casket service. You pay for the

6713
04:42:51,120 --> 04:42:53,680
flowers. You try to see if somebody can.

6714
04:42:53,680 --> 04:42:55,760
Yeah. So I mean a lot of people agree

6715
04:42:55,760 --> 04:42:56,958
with that.

6716
04:42:56,958 --> 04:42:59,600
>> So that's

6717
04:42:59,600 --> 04:43:03,200
so I don't make it easy.

6718
04:43:03,200 --> 04:43:05,840
>> 500

6719
04:43:05,840 --> 04:43:08,000
transfer.

6720
04:43:08,000 --> 04:43:10,160
>> I'm good with that.

6721
04:43:10,160 --> 04:43:13,280
>> So what are you saying?

6722
04:43:13,280 --> 04:43:14,638
change

6723
04:43:14,638 --> 04:43:16,080
>> 515,000

6724
04:43:16,080 --> 04:43:18,320
>> raise the fee for

6725
04:43:18,320 --> 04:43:22,400
>> but are you still okay if we get per

6726
04:43:22,400 --> 04:43:24,240
>> so a non-resident would become a

6727
04:43:24,240 --> 04:43:25,360
thousand for

6728
04:43:25,360 --> 04:43:29,360
>> I mean the 600 that would be to 500 up

6729
04:43:29,360 --> 04:43:30,080
higher

6730
04:43:30,080 --> 04:43:32,878
>> okay so this one

6731
04:43:32,878 --> 04:43:35,520
>> to 500 okay

6732
04:43:35,520 --> 04:43:38,798
>> and then a500

6733
04:43:38,798 --> 04:43:39,680
there

6734
04:43:39,680 --> 04:43:43,670
>> 15 there Okay,

6735
04:43:43,680 --> 04:43:45,440
» we probably should look at perpetual

6736
04:43:45,440 --> 04:43:49,040
care too because at that rate

6737
04:43:49,040 --> 04:43:51,200
>> we will never get enough money build up

6738
04:43:51,200 --> 04:43:52,240
to ever do anything

6739
04:43:52,240 --> 04:43:53,360
>> at least.

6740
04:43:53,360 --> 04:43:54,560
>> I think so too.

6741
04:43:54,560 --> 04:43:55,360
>> At least.

6742
04:43:55,360 --> 04:43:58,958
>> Okay. And then now with that 500 we will

6743
04:43:58,958 --> 04:44:02,080
be the cheapest in this area. Is that

6744
04:44:02,080 --> 04:44:04,160
>> 600 per?

6745
04:44:04,160 --> 04:44:08,160
>> Oh 600 with perpetual care.

6746
04:44:08,160 --> 04:44:10,798
>> Yeah. Do we want the non perpetual care

6747
04:44:10,798 --> 04:44:12,000
to be more.

6748
04:44:12,000 --> 04:44:13,600
>> I would too.

6749
04:44:13,600 --> 04:44:17,698
>> I'd actually almost

6750
04:44:17,708 --> 04:44:19,750
[laughter]

6751
04:44:19,760 --> 04:44:23,910
» 500uge.

6752
04:44:23,920 --> 04:44:26,000
» You know what? They're not res. They're

6753
04:44:26,000 --> 04:44:28,798
not paying the property taxes to

6754
04:44:28,798 --> 04:44:31,200
>> if you have to use general fund to pay

6755
04:44:31,200 --> 04:44:31,680
for it.

6756
04:44:31,680 --> 04:44:34,320
>> And then we need to transfer from a

6757
04:44:34,320 --> 04:44:38,230
resident to a non-resident.

6758
04:44:38,240 --> 04:44:39,760
And I can tell you what happens with

6759
04:44:39,760 --> 04:44:42,560
that. You just come in and put someone

6760
04:44:42,560 --> 04:44:44,638
else's name on it and then you don't pay

6761
04:44:44,638 --> 04:44:47,120
the transfer fee. The only time you pay

6762
04:44:47,120 --> 04:44:49,920
the transfer fee is if you actually have

6763
04:44:49,920 --> 04:44:53,040
it transferred. But for example, I mean

6764
04:44:53,040 --> 04:44:57,200
your kids, but if you had that Colorado

6765
04:44:57,200 --> 04:44:58,958
and you

6766
04:44:58,958 --> 04:44:59,840
>> just said,000,

6767
04:44:59,840 --> 04:45:01,920
>> you would just put his name on it and

6768
04:45:01,920 --> 04:45:04,240
then he but it's but it's when you bury

6769
04:45:04,240 --> 04:45:05,440
him that they have to pay the

6770
04:45:05,440 --> 04:45:07,280
non-resident fee.

6771
04:45:07,280 --> 04:45:09,200
>> So it's not even so much the transfer

6772
04:45:09,200 --> 04:45:11,200
fee because people really

6773
04:45:11,200 --> 04:45:14,708
>> that's just ownership

6774
04:45:14,718 --> 04:45:16,638
» but you sell it to somebody, you can

6775
04:45:16,638 --> 04:45:19,200
only sell it back to the city.

6776
04:45:19,200 --> 04:45:20,958
>> You You can't just advertise in the

6777
04:45:20,958 --> 04:45:22,718
paper. You can't.

6778
04:45:22,718 --> 04:45:23,600
>> No.

6779
04:45:23,600 --> 04:45:25,280
>> So, that's just that transfer fee

6780
04:45:25,280 --> 04:45:28,000
certificate that they do. But I would

6781
04:45:28,000 --> 04:45:30,718
even more so than even doing that is

6782
04:45:30,718 --> 04:45:32,400
maybe have it be the opening and the

6783
04:45:32,400 --> 04:45:33,840
closing of the graves

6784
04:45:33,840 --> 04:45:35,120
>> for it.

6785
04:45:35,120 --> 04:45:35,680
>> Yeah.

6786
04:45:35,680 --> 04:45:38,160
>> So, remove this.

6787
04:45:38,160 --> 04:45:41,546
>> Well, I mean, just add

6788
04:45:41,546 --> 04:45:45,590
[cough and clears throat]

6789
04:45:45,600 --> 04:45:47,440
So non-resident

6790
04:45:47,440 --> 04:45:49,200
>> I mean you could double that. I mean

6791
04:45:49,200 --> 04:45:53,200
it's only 25 if it went up to 50 the

6792
04:45:53,200 --> 04:45:59,110
from resident owner to another res

6793
04:45:59,120 --> 04:46:02,320
» Shauna. How long did you uh ago did you

6794
04:46:02,320 --> 04:46:03,920
move in here?

6795
04:46:03,920 --> 04:46:06,400
>> I moved in

6796
04:46:06,400 --> 04:46:07,760
since 2006.

6797
04:46:07,760 --> 04:46:09,360
>> Oh

6798
04:46:09,360 --> 04:46:10,160
20 years.

6799
04:46:10,160 --> 04:46:12,560
>> So let's Yeah, I know. She is.

6800
04:46:12,560 --> 04:46:15,200
>> So yeah. So do I do I qualify for being

6801
04:46:15,200 --> 04:46:15,440
now?

6802
04:46:15,440 --> 04:46:17,840
>> So let's say Shauna just doesn't even

6803
04:46:17,840 --> 04:46:19,760
live here

6804
04:46:19,760 --> 04:46:22,560
and I'm a real good friend of Shauna and

6805
04:46:22,560 --> 04:46:26,878
I come and buy a resident lot because

6806
04:46:26,878 --> 04:46:29,680
Shauna's husband just passed away and

6807
04:46:29,680 --> 04:46:31,680
she wants him buried out here. I mean is

6808
04:46:31,680 --> 04:46:35,280
this so what would that process? I would

6809
04:46:35,280 --> 04:46:39,040
pay $500 for that and then she would

6810
04:46:39,040 --> 04:46:42,080
bury her husband. She had no I used to

6811
04:46:42,080 --> 04:46:48,708
put her at all.

6812
04:46:48,718 --> 04:46:49,920
» That's what I was saying.

6813
04:46:49,920 --> 04:46:52,080
>> Say she doesn't live here. She's got to

6814
04:46:52,080 --> 04:46:54,240
pay.

6815
04:46:54,240 --> 04:46:54,798
>> Okay.

6816
04:46:54,798 --> 04:47:02,788
>> All right.

6817
04:47:02,798 --> 04:47:05,120
It's down below county where you're

6818
04:47:05,120 --> 04:47:10,230
doing that

6819
04:47:10,240 --> 04:47:12,878
realize

6820
04:47:12,878 --> 04:47:15,600
we are not encouraging that

6821
04:47:15,600 --> 04:47:17,520
>> you know

6822
04:47:17,520 --> 04:47:18,878
I don't know if they want to raise the

6823
04:47:18,878 --> 04:47:21,200
resident but that's the non-resident

6824
04:47:21,200 --> 04:47:23,600
>> yeah that that one's the monument

6825
04:47:23,600 --> 04:47:26,240
>> see that's the monument fee right so

6826
04:47:26,240 --> 04:47:29,040
that is the resident weekend and

6827
04:47:29,040 --> 04:47:30,000
holiday.

6828
04:47:30,000 --> 04:47:30,718
>> Okay.

6829
04:47:30,718 --> 04:47:33,120
>> Oh, no. I guess you're right. You're

6830
04:47:33,120 --> 04:47:33,600
right.

6831
04:47:33,600 --> 04:47:34,480
>> Okay.

6832
04:47:34,480 --> 04:47:35,840
>> I was like, hold on. I thought the

6833
04:47:35,840 --> 04:47:37,280
monument was there. Okay.

6834
04:47:37,280 --> 04:47:39,680
>> The thing is is if you do the opening

6835
04:47:39,680 --> 04:47:46,390
and closing, you do also have to set

6836
04:47:46,400 --> 04:47:48,480
» Where is the opening? I don't even see

6837
04:47:48,480 --> 04:47:49,120
that.

6838
04:47:49,120 --> 04:47:52,538
>> That's right.

6839
04:47:52,548 --> 04:47:52,878
[clears throat]

6840
04:47:52,878 --> 04:47:54,080
>> Right behind your

6841
04:47:54,080 --> 04:47:56,718
>> Oh, sorry.

6842
04:47:56,718 --> 04:47:57,790
>> My big head.

6843
04:47:57,790 --> 04:48:00,150
>> [laughter]

6844
04:48:00,160 --> 04:48:01,200
» Okay.

6845
04:48:01,200 --> 04:48:04,718
>> So, one thing that if you are setting

6846
04:48:04,718 --> 04:48:06,638
for resident and non-resident, you need

6847
04:48:06,638 --> 04:48:08,718
to consider those that are move into

6848
04:48:08,718 --> 04:48:10,638
like a nursing home or something. So,

6849
04:48:10,638 --> 04:48:13,760
you'd want to say, okay, if you move if

6850
04:48:13,760 --> 04:48:17,280
you lived in Hooper for say

6851
04:48:17,280 --> 04:48:20,080
>> 10 years, five years and you move into a

6852
04:48:20,080 --> 04:48:23,120
nursing home or a care facility,

6853
04:48:23,120 --> 04:48:25,920
>> that doesn't remove your residency. We

6854
04:48:25,920 --> 04:48:29,520
have that in our roles currently.

6855
04:48:29,520 --> 04:48:31,840
>> They move from their home directly to a

6856
04:48:31,840 --> 04:48:32,718
care facility.

6857
04:48:32,718 --> 04:48:38,390
>> Is it just care facilities?

6858
04:48:38,400 --> 04:48:40,718
» I think we

6859
04:48:40,718 --> 04:48:43,200
>> which like I've seen that the council

6860
04:48:43,200 --> 04:48:45,280
can veto it. They can choose to go to

6861
04:48:45,280 --> 04:48:46,958
council and the council can veto

6862
04:48:46,958 --> 04:48:47,840
>> veto the fee.

6863
04:48:47,840 --> 04:48:50,000
>> Yeah. Which in that situation I think

6864
04:48:50,000 --> 04:48:50,560
absolutely.

6865
04:48:50,560 --> 04:48:51,920
>> Like my boy lived with us his whole

6866
04:48:51,920 --> 04:48:53,200
life. He's in the army. Now he's in

6867
04:48:53,200 --> 04:48:54,638
Hawaii. if something happened to him

6868
04:48:54,638 --> 04:48:56,400
overseas. One

6869
04:48:56,400 --> 04:48:59,280
>> still be considered res.

6870
04:48:59,280 --> 04:49:01,440
>> I think someone asked if we could have a

6871
04:49:01,440 --> 04:49:02,878
veteran.

6872
04:49:02,878 --> 04:49:04,798
>> They wondered if we could have a less

6873
04:49:04,798 --> 04:49:07,600
fur veteran a nice it would be have to

6874
04:49:07,600 --> 04:49:08,878
go through city council.

6875
04:49:08,878 --> 04:49:11,760
>> Yeah.

6876
04:49:11,760 --> 04:49:13,040
That's what I think like opening

6877
04:49:13,040 --> 04:49:14,718
closing of grace for veterans that makes

6878
04:49:14,718 --> 04:49:16,798
sense where we break.

6879
04:49:16,798 --> 04:49:17,840
>> Yeah.

6880
04:49:17,840 --> 04:49:19,600
That's I think we it definitely

6881
04:49:19,600 --> 04:49:22,480
makes sense we try. So Sherry, once we

6882
04:49:22,480 --> 04:49:24,878
do, in case if we forget later, Ryan had

6883
04:49:24,878 --> 04:49:28,400
a good point. Uh once we approve all

6884
04:49:28,400 --> 04:49:30,878
this, it would be nice if we could have

6885
04:49:30,878 --> 04:49:33,920
the office send all the mortuaries under

6886
04:49:33,920 --> 04:49:35,840
the fee schedule.

6887
04:49:35,840 --> 04:49:38,560
>> So

6888
04:49:38,560 --> 04:49:41,040
we're referring for

6889
04:49:41,040 --> 04:49:41,840
>> Yeah.

6890
04:49:41,840 --> 04:49:44,320
>> Okay. So do we want to say non-resident

6891
04:49:44,320 --> 04:49:45,840
opening?

6892
04:49:45,840 --> 04:49:48,160
I mean, we've upped the burial space to

6893
04:49:48,160 --> 04:49:50,878
15. Do we want to up the

6894
04:49:50,878 --> 04:49:53,200
resident opening to 15. Is that what I'm

6895
04:49:53,200 --> 04:49:55,760
hearing? Or

6896
04:49:55,760 --> 04:50:00,708
>> not go as much there.

6897
04:50:00,718 --> 04:50:03,200
» Yeah.

6898
04:50:03,200 --> 04:50:05,040
>> And keep the resident opening and

6899
04:50:05,040 --> 04:50:07,520
closing at 300.

6900
04:50:07,520 --> 04:50:08,240
>> Yeah, that makes sense.

6901
04:50:08,240 --> 04:50:11,120
>> Does that cover cost?

6902
04:50:11,120 --> 04:50:13,680
>> Yeah, probably.

6903
04:50:13,680 --> 04:50:16,160
>> Where do you put, you know what I mean?

6904
04:50:16,160 --> 04:50:18,160
The back, but it gets used in all the

6905
04:50:18,160 --> 04:50:19,840
department.

6906
04:50:19,840 --> 04:50:21,600
I'm sure that's Yeah,

6907
04:50:21,600 --> 04:50:23,760
>> weekend and holiday. I would dare say

6908
04:50:23,760 --> 04:50:27,600
that that could just be one fee in and

6909
04:50:27,600 --> 04:50:30,798
of itself and probably hit

6910
04:50:30,798 --> 04:50:34,160
>> or unless you want to res

6911
04:50:34,160 --> 04:50:35,280
have them be the same.

6912
04:50:35,280 --> 04:50:37,520
>> Mhm. But do you guys want

6913
04:50:37,520 --> 04:50:44,948
>> the non0000?

6914
04:50:44,958 --> 04:50:47,760
» We're going to add the vets there.

6915
04:50:47,760 --> 04:50:48,958
bedroom.

6916
04:50:48,958 --> 04:50:49,360
>> Okay.

6917
04:50:49,360 --> 04:50:51,680
>> And the two below the babies as well.

6918
04:50:51,680 --> 04:50:54,788
>> Okay.

6919
04:50:54,798 --> 04:50:57,360
» I think that's a nice thing to

6920
04:50:57,360 --> 04:50:59,520
>> for sure.

6921
04:50:59,520 --> 04:50:59,920
>> Really?

6922
04:50:59,920 --> 04:51:00,480
>> Yeah.

6923
04:51:00,480 --> 04:51:01,520
>> There isn't.

6924
04:51:01,520 --> 04:51:06,400
>> I bet like a third of our burial.

6925
04:51:06,400 --> 04:51:07,920
So there's a lot of people been in the

6926
04:51:07,920 --> 04:51:10,718
military that

6927
04:51:10,718 --> 04:51:12,638
>> Okay. So you're all good with what I've

6928
04:51:12,638 --> 04:51:14,878
got there then.

6929
04:51:14,878 --> 04:51:28,150
>> Glance through it. Scroll down.

6930
04:51:28,160 --> 04:51:29,920
» So would that even apply here? Do we

6931
04:51:29,920 --> 04:51:32,480
still have spaces in the old section?

6932
04:51:32,480 --> 04:51:34,638
>> Are they ones that people own or that

6933
04:51:34,638 --> 04:51:40,708
are still

6934
04:51:40,718 --> 04:51:43,680
» Doesn't this apply for all not the old

6935
04:51:43,680 --> 04:51:45,680
and new? Well, I was talking about so

6936
04:51:45,680 --> 04:51:48,320
there's a monument fee for a flat versus

6937
04:51:48,320 --> 04:51:50,240
an upright. And I was saying I didn't I

6938
04:51:50,240 --> 04:51:51,680
didn't know that we had a lot of

6939
04:51:51,680 --> 04:51:53,440
uprights because it looks like most of

6940
04:51:53,440 --> 04:51:54,718
them are flat. He was saying the old

6941
04:51:54,718 --> 04:51:55,760
section has

6942
04:51:55,760 --> 04:51:57,600
>> Oh, yeah.

6943
04:51:57,600 --> 04:52:02,000
>> Yeah. The new section doesn't allow

6944
04:52:02,000 --> 04:52:04,320
>> Yeah. While we're on the fee schedule

6945
04:52:04,320 --> 04:52:05,840
really quick, so the park and arena

6946
04:52:05,840 --> 04:52:08,878
rental, I don't know how got messed up

6947
04:52:08,878 --> 04:52:12,958
when approving it last year, but the uh

6948
04:52:12,958 --> 04:52:15,520
youth daily group fee went down to 100

6949
04:52:15,520 --> 04:52:18,320
and it has been 325. So, we're just

6950
04:52:18,320 --> 04:52:20,560
going to jump that back up to 325. And

6951
04:52:20,560 --> 04:52:23,440
then the approved adult writing group

6952
04:52:23,440 --> 04:52:25,040
was approved at 400, but it's always

6953
04:52:25,040 --> 04:52:27,040
been at 525.

6954
04:52:27,040 --> 04:52:29,920
>> So, that needs to go to the 425 there or

6955
04:52:29,920 --> 04:52:31,200
325.

6956
04:52:31,200 --> 04:52:34,958
>> Yeah. And then the 4 just a mouse.

6957
04:52:34,958 --> 04:52:37,200
>> All right. Sorry.

6958
04:52:37,200 --> 04:52:38,958
>> And then

6959
04:52:38,958 --> 04:52:41,680
there's a $100 deposit for shell for

6960
04:52:41,680 --> 04:52:43,600
seasonal rentals. We took out all the

6961
04:52:43,600 --> 04:52:47,190
deposit

6962
04:52:47,200 --> 04:52:49,600
» in the description or the notes to your

6963
04:52:49,600 --> 04:52:50,160
left.

6964
04:52:50,160 --> 04:52:57,270
>> Oh, right.

6965
04:52:57,280 --> 04:53:03,750
Nobody

6966
04:53:03,760 --> 04:53:07,120
riding groups that are seasonal.

6967
04:53:07,120 --> 04:53:08,560
>> Oh, like the forage.

6968
04:53:08,560 --> 04:53:11,280
>> Yeah.

6969
04:53:11,280 --> 04:53:14,320
>> Honestly, my kids do that type of stuff.

6970
04:53:14,320 --> 04:53:16,958
They're ridiculously low, but it is

6971
04:53:16,958 --> 04:53:19,360
highly political when you raise those.

6972
04:53:19,360 --> 04:53:21,440
But that's just If you want to subsidize

6973
04:53:21,440 --> 04:53:23,360
that for the kids, then great.

6974
04:53:23,360 --> 04:53:25,292
>> Man, my kids just got into it. And

6975
04:53:25,292 --> 04:53:27,040
[clears throat] I got a whole earful the

6976
04:53:27,040 --> 04:53:28,000
other night and they were like, "Oh,

6977
04:53:28,000 --> 04:53:29,600
you're

6978
04:53:29,600 --> 04:53:31,280
even turn your sprinklers on. It was too

6979
04:53:31,280 --> 04:53:32,560
dusty over there." They were like doing

6980
04:53:32,560 --> 04:53:33,680
this whole thing about how they started

6981
04:53:33,680 --> 04:53:36,160
riding in Plane City because we And so I

6982
04:53:36,160 --> 04:53:37,280
asked the mayor about it. She's like,

6983
04:53:37,280 --> 04:53:38,480
"Yeah, we turned them on like they got

6984
04:53:38,480 --> 04:53:40,240
to ask us and we'll do it." But the

6985
04:53:40,240 --> 04:53:41,920
whole age group went to Plane City

6986
04:53:41,920 --> 04:53:43,840
because they said we were

6987
04:53:43,840 --> 04:53:46,480
>> in a good year. We water every day. But

6988
04:53:46,480 --> 04:53:48,320
we have to buy our water either from

6989
04:53:48,320 --> 04:53:50,240
upper irrigation.

6990
04:53:50,240 --> 04:53:52,802
One time we bought it from culinary

6991
04:53:52,802 --> 04:53:53,840
[cough and clears throat] or buy it from

6992
04:53:53,840 --> 04:53:55,680
culinary water, put it in a water truck

6993
04:53:55,680 --> 04:53:57,520
and pay an employee to go.

6994
04:53:57,520 --> 04:53:58,798
>> I didn't even know it was a thing. I

6995
04:53:58,798 --> 04:54:02,320
just my kids are doing it like

6996
04:54:02,320 --> 04:54:05,990
let me know.

6997
04:54:06,000 --> 04:54:10,240
» If you take like my kids will pay more

6998
04:54:10,240 --> 04:54:12,000
weekend

6999
04:54:12,000 --> 04:54:16,470
than they pay all year.

7000
04:54:16,480 --> 04:54:18,080
Okay.

7001
04:54:18,080 --> 04:54:20,240
>> Are we wanting to do anything with the

7002
04:54:20,240 --> 04:54:29,190
zoning and code enforcement fees?

7003
04:54:29,200 --> 04:54:31,680
» If you asked, I assume that we should,

7004
04:54:31,680 --> 04:54:32,798
huh?

7005
04:54:32,798 --> 04:54:34,958
>> Well, we just [cough and clears throat]

7006
04:54:34,958 --> 04:54:37,520
staff meeting

7007
04:54:37,520 --> 04:54:39,360
come to staff meeting and gave us an

7008
04:54:39,360 --> 04:54:42,160
update on all of his issues that we've

7009
04:54:42,160 --> 04:54:44,798
turned in, which was super helpful.

7010
04:54:44,798 --> 04:54:46,480
like you said, we just need somebody to

7011
04:54:46,480 --> 04:54:49,520
go out and actually enforce that. Um, we

7012
04:54:49,520 --> 04:54:52,080
had a staff member actually offer to do

7013
04:54:52,080 --> 04:54:54,240
that. We just haven't really discussed

7014
04:54:54,240 --> 04:54:56,240
it more. So,

7015
04:54:56,240 --> 04:54:59,840
>> do we need to add that that Rocky

7016
04:54:59,840 --> 04:55:01,578
Mountain power connection

7017
04:55:01,578 --> 04:55:04,000
[clears throat] fee on our street light?

7018
04:55:04,000 --> 04:55:08,390
>> Yes.

7019
04:55:08,400 --> 04:55:10,320
» On that one, we can just put actual

7020
04:55:10,320 --> 04:55:11,680
cost.

7021
04:55:11,680 --> 04:55:14,320
So, we need to add what

7022
04:55:14,320 --> 04:55:17,990
>> street installation

7023
04:55:18,000 --> 04:55:26,310
probably got that other block that's

7024
04:55:26,320 --> 04:55:34,868
power.

7025
04:55:34,878 --> 04:55:38,560
How did adjusting the facility usage?

7026
04:55:38,560 --> 04:55:41,040
Remember how that was brought up?

7027
04:55:41,040 --> 04:55:42,798
that you know we adjusted it because we

7028
04:55:42,798 --> 04:55:45,200
have this group somewhere from here.

7029
04:55:45,200 --> 04:55:47,040
Did that affect that relationship? They

7030
04:55:47,040 --> 04:55:49,040
stopped coming here.

7031
04:55:49,040 --> 04:55:50,798
>> We told them no more.

7032
04:55:50,798 --> 04:55:51,680
>> Yeah.

7033
04:55:51,680 --> 04:55:53,440
>> He tried to make it work with Saturdays,

7034
04:55:53,440 --> 04:55:55,680
but then we chose not to the fields this

7035
04:55:55,680 --> 04:55:56,718
year either. So

7036
04:55:56,718 --> 04:55:58,798
>> I think it just upset him completely.

7037
04:55:58,798 --> 04:56:01,120
But so I do think he'll come back next

7038
04:56:01,120 --> 04:56:04,560
year and hopes to play on the Saturday.

7039
04:56:04,560 --> 04:56:08,000
>> So we might have to look into that

7040
04:56:08,000 --> 04:56:10,718
actual cost. I don't know if you need to

7041
04:56:10,718 --> 04:56:14,638
Um, won't we just do see current costs?

7042
04:56:14,638 --> 04:56:16,560
>> Won't we just add it as one of that? I

7043
04:56:16,560 --> 04:56:18,160
know be okay. Okay,

7044
04:56:18,160 --> 04:56:19,920
>> that's what my thought was. But

7045
04:56:19,920 --> 04:56:24,948
>> okay, where's our code?

7046
04:56:24,958 --> 04:56:27,440
» Just down underneath public works.

7047
04:56:27,440 --> 04:56:30,660
on page 406

7048
04:56:30,660 --> 04:56:43,990
[cough]

7049
04:56:44,000 --> 04:56:45,040
» at the very top.

7050
04:56:45,040 --> 04:56:49,990
>> Yeah.

7051
04:56:50,000 --> 04:56:52,160
» So, we updated this last time. It used

7052
04:56:52,160 --> 04:56:54,958
to be no fine, 50 bucks, 100 bucks for

7053
04:56:54,958 --> 04:56:56,638
the third notice completely. But now

7054
04:56:56,638 --> 04:56:59,760
I've changed it to per day each time and

7055
04:56:59,760 --> 04:57:02,560
then legal action.

7056
04:57:02,560 --> 04:57:04,480
So I think that's pretty

7057
04:57:04,480 --> 04:57:06,718
>> seems low

7058
04:57:06,718 --> 04:57:08,400
charge you $1,000 on your fourth notice

7059
04:57:08,400 --> 04:57:12,400
of water usage. So

7060
04:57:12,400 --> 04:57:16,080
>> 250 a day add up pretty quick if you got

7061
04:57:16,080 --> 04:57:21,910
>> that's fair.

7062
04:57:21,920 --> 04:57:24,160
» So what was your suggestion?

7063
04:57:24,160 --> 04:57:26,160
>> I just would say I guess just back to

7064
04:57:26,160 --> 04:57:29,040
our point earlier today that we just

7065
04:57:29,040 --> 04:57:31,040
need to have more teeth in doing this

7066
04:57:31,040 --> 04:57:32,958
and more

7067
04:57:32,958 --> 04:57:34,560
So, so the hard part I think

7068
04:57:34,560 --> 04:57:36,878
administratively who who issues that

7069
04:57:36,878 --> 04:57:38,638
$125

7070
04:57:38,638 --> 04:57:40,718
is it a letter from the city? None of us

7071
04:57:40,718 --> 04:57:42,560
have a ticket book.

7072
04:57:42,560 --> 04:57:44,240
>> You know, if a cop writes your ticket

7073
04:57:44,240 --> 04:57:45,760
and you throw it in the garbage, it

7074
04:57:45,760 --> 04:57:48,878
still goes to the court area. We don't

7075
04:57:48,878 --> 04:57:51,520
have that mechanism here. And then once

7076
04:57:51,520 --> 04:57:53,600
it gets to the legal action, we've got

7077
04:57:53,600 --> 04:57:55,600
to be willing to pay the attorney to

7078
04:57:55,600 --> 04:57:57,760
actually take it to court and prepare

7079
04:57:57,760 --> 04:58:00,878
it. I guess would those fees cover the

7080
04:58:00,878 --> 04:58:02,878
cost of the attorney fee?

7081
04:58:02,878 --> 04:58:04,718
>> So could if we actually get

7082
04:58:04,718 --> 04:58:05,520
>> if we collect it.

7083
04:58:05,520 --> 04:58:08,798
>> So will the sheriff not enforce

7084
04:58:08,798 --> 04:58:11,120
anything as part of our contract

7085
04:58:11,120 --> 04:58:12,320
agreement with them? Will they not

7086
04:58:12,320 --> 04:58:13,120
enforce code

7087
04:58:13,120 --> 04:58:13,680
>> with code?

7088
04:58:13,680 --> 04:58:17,600
>> No, they won't

7089
04:58:17,600 --> 04:58:19,680
know going down my street or anything

7090
04:58:19,680 --> 04:58:25,750
>> that new ordinance for noise years ago.

7091
04:58:25,760 --> 04:58:27,440
» Have you tried to call the police? But

7092
04:58:27,440 --> 04:58:28,160
we charge with

7093
04:58:28,160 --> 04:58:29,520
>> I don't know. I grew up in the deep

7094
04:58:29,520 --> 04:58:31,836
south. We don't call the police.

7095
04:58:31,836 --> 04:58:32,638
[laughter]

7096
04:58:32,638 --> 04:58:34,000
>> That's true.

7097
04:58:34,000 --> 04:58:37,076
>> We don't. Everybody got We do.

7098
04:58:37,076 --> 04:58:39,350
[laughter]

7099
04:58:39,360 --> 04:58:42,080
» That's why I need to move back there.

7100
04:58:42,080 --> 04:58:43,280
>> I don't know if it's something we want

7101
04:58:43,280 --> 04:58:45,120
to keep and then try to do a tracking

7102
04:58:45,120 --> 04:58:47,120
system somehow and see where we're at

7103
04:58:47,120 --> 04:58:52,150
next budget year. I don't know.

7104
04:58:52,160 --> 04:58:54,240
We probably need to look into that with

7105
04:58:54,240 --> 04:58:56,480
Darren or somebody and just see how we

7106
04:58:56,480 --> 04:59:00,000
legally and how that fine gets reported

7107
04:59:00,000 --> 04:59:05,910
to like the court system

7108
04:59:05,920 --> 04:59:08,160
» and what would our cost be to have it

7109
04:59:08,160 --> 04:59:09,440
legally?

7110
04:59:09,440 --> 04:59:11,360
>> Yeah. So, we've turned in some things to

7111
04:59:11,360 --> 04:59:14,080
our attorney before and he said send it

7112
04:59:14,080 --> 04:59:16,240
to one of them send them to Bonville

7113
04:59:16,240 --> 04:59:17,760
Collections but that's not on these.

7114
04:59:17,760 --> 04:59:20,000
It's on

7115
04:59:20,000 --> 04:59:24,400
to them, but nothing ever nothing ever.

7116
04:59:24,400 --> 04:59:26,878
>> We we use Bonavville collections and

7117
04:59:26,878 --> 04:59:29,280
we've used a different collection and

7118
04:59:29,280 --> 04:59:31,520
that was the biggest waste of our time

7119
04:59:31,520 --> 04:59:34,958
to send it into them. We never ever got

7120
04:59:34,958 --> 04:59:38,000
anything. I

7121
04:59:38,000 --> 04:59:39,760
Yeah, I'm not impressed with the

7122
04:59:39,760 --> 04:59:42,160
collection agencies.

7123
04:59:42,160 --> 04:59:45,040
If with these though, you can if it is

7124
04:59:45,040 --> 04:59:47,120
on property, which is what these

7125
04:59:47,120 --> 04:59:49,600
typically are, add it to the property

7126
04:59:49,600 --> 04:59:51,840
tax. And most of the time, if they have

7127
04:59:51,840 --> 04:59:56,150
a mortgage, they don't even know.

7128
04:59:56,160 --> 04:59:57,120
» The mortgage company.

7129
04:59:57,120 --> 04:59:58,638
>> So, I guess let's talk to Darren about

7130
04:59:58,638 --> 05:00:01,280
that and see how that can be.

7131
05:00:01,280 --> 05:00:03,840
So when I've assisted with it, again,

7132
05:00:03,840 --> 05:00:05,920
this is just experience from where I was

7133
05:00:05,920 --> 05:00:08,400
previous at. We would send them the

7134
05:00:08,400 --> 05:00:10,080
first notice, they didn't respond. We

7135
05:00:10,080 --> 05:00:11,840
send them a bill for the second notice,

7136
05:00:11,840 --> 05:00:13,360
they didn't respond, send them the third

7137
05:00:13,360 --> 05:00:15,840
notice bill, they don't respond. Then we

7138
05:00:15,840 --> 05:00:18,080
would actually just send it to the

7139
05:00:18,080 --> 05:00:20,718
property tax. We hire somebody to come

7140
05:00:20,718 --> 05:00:22,878
do it and send everything to the

7141
05:00:22,878 --> 05:00:24,958
property tax

7142
05:00:24,958 --> 05:00:26,320
and then just get added to their

7143
05:00:26,320 --> 05:00:27,840
property tax. And if they don't pay

7144
05:00:27,840 --> 05:00:31,200
their property taxes in five years,

7145
05:00:31,200 --> 05:00:37,270
So at what point do we do the process?

7146
05:00:37,280 --> 05:00:40,400
» Yeah. So so we tically worked out this

7147
05:00:40,400 --> 05:00:41,680
agreement with someone today. We told

7148
05:00:41,680 --> 05:00:44,160
her we would give her six months and if

7149
05:00:44,160 --> 05:00:47,990
it wasn't

7150
05:00:48,000 --> 05:00:52,080
going to go to the city I mean we pay

7151
05:00:52,080 --> 05:00:54,240
all those expenses then it gets added

7152
05:00:54,240 --> 05:00:59,350
on.

7153
05:00:59,360 --> 05:01:02,080
» So So if we get to that point, say we

7154
05:01:02,080 --> 05:01:04,878
send all the notices and then we do an

7155
05:01:04,878 --> 05:01:08,080
abatement and say it's 15 20 grand. What

7156
05:01:08,080 --> 05:01:09,680
do we pay for that with?

7157
05:01:09,680 --> 05:01:10,718
>> Yeah,

7158
05:01:10,718 --> 05:01:12,560
>> because we're we might get it back when

7159
05:01:12,560 --> 05:01:14,718
they sell the property on the tax sale,

7160
05:01:14,718 --> 05:01:16,560
but it's not going to be soon.

7161
05:01:16,560 --> 05:01:18,400
>> No, you just have to pay for it out.

7162
05:01:18,400 --> 05:01:20,400
>> And I think when we met with today, it

7163
05:01:20,400 --> 05:01:21,840
could be more than that.

7164
05:01:21,840 --> 05:01:23,760
>> Oh, yeah.

7165
05:01:23,760 --> 05:01:25,680
>> So then we would need to assess like how

7166
05:01:25,680 --> 05:01:28,798
big the problem is, right?

7167
05:01:28,798 --> 05:01:30,240
Do you want to do the automatic

7168
05:01:30,240 --> 05:01:32,638
abatement before legal action or do you

7169
05:01:32,638 --> 05:01:34,320
want to have the attorney get him in

7170
05:01:34,320 --> 05:01:36,000
front of a judge and say, "Here's the

7171
05:01:36,000 --> 05:01:37,520
problem."

7172
05:01:37,520 --> 05:01:40,160
>> But Brandon Richards when he was our

7173
05:01:40,160 --> 05:01:42,160
attorney, he said he did some of those

7174
05:01:42,160 --> 05:01:45,200
before and they give them a long time.

7175
05:01:45,200 --> 05:01:46,958
And they're like, "Okay, six months."

7176
05:01:46,958 --> 05:01:48,320
Then they come back and say, "Well, I

7177
05:01:48,320 --> 05:01:50,400
did a little bit. We'll give you six

7178
05:01:50,400 --> 05:01:51,920
more months." So sometimes they can go

7179
05:01:51,920 --> 05:01:53,600
on for years [cough]

7180
05:01:53,600 --> 05:01:55,200
even after you get them in the court

7181
05:01:55,200 --> 05:01:57,520
system.

7182
05:01:57,520 --> 05:01:59,200
But collecting this what you're saying

7183
05:01:59,200 --> 05:02:00,878
it's not going to pay for our attorney

7184
05:02:00,878 --> 05:02:04,638
to go do any or pay for the abatement

7185
05:02:04,638 --> 05:02:08,080
$20,000 abatement. None of this is

7186
05:02:08,080 --> 05:02:11,360
>> we actually had a line item or like we

7187
05:02:11,360 --> 05:02:13,680
do removal. So because you do have to

7188
05:02:13,680 --> 05:02:16,878
pay for it up front.

7189
05:02:16,878 --> 05:02:19,200
>> So what what amount did you have in

7190
05:02:19,200 --> 05:02:20,878
there?

7191
05:02:20,878 --> 05:02:22,000
>> I don't remember.

7192
05:02:22,000 --> 05:02:23,600
>> That could be something that we should

7193
05:02:23,600 --> 05:02:26,080
add. It was It was more than a couple

7194
05:02:26,080 --> 05:02:28,080
thousand. I'll tell you that much. It

7195
05:02:28,080 --> 05:02:29,440
was like 10 20.

7196
05:02:29,440 --> 05:02:31,040
>> Well, because this one today we're

7197
05:02:31,040 --> 05:02:33,840
talking about, you know, us pay like we

7198
05:02:33,840 --> 05:02:35,520
call waste management. See if they'll do

7199
05:02:35,520 --> 05:02:37,520
a 30

7200
05:02:37,520 --> 05:02:40,160
yard dumpster, but then we're going to

7201
05:02:40,160 --> 05:02:42,000
pay to have it hauled off because we

7202
05:02:42,000 --> 05:02:43,600
figure that's going to be less expensive

7203
05:02:43,600 --> 05:02:49,280
than if we do the wait to get.

7204
05:02:49,280 --> 05:02:51,040
>> But even though you haul it off, you've

7205
05:02:51,040 --> 05:02:52,080
noticed her.

7206
05:02:52,080 --> 05:02:54,240
>> Yeah. Then you can add that to the

7207
05:02:54,240 --> 05:02:55,920
property tax is my understanding but

7208
05:02:55,920 --> 05:02:59,040
that would be a legal question. Yeah.

7209
05:02:59,040 --> 05:03:01,680
>> So uh question Morgan

7210
05:03:01,680 --> 05:03:04,878
>> uh these grandma requests fees are those

7211
05:03:04,878 --> 05:03:06,798
set by the state or

7212
05:03:06,798 --> 05:03:08,638
>> in the state you [clears throat] can

7213
05:03:08,638 --> 05:03:11,520
only charge the dollar amount for the

7214
05:03:11,520 --> 05:03:19,430
person that's qualified to do it.

7215
05:03:19,440 --> 05:03:22,798
I would not touch a grammar request, but

7216
05:03:22,798 --> 05:03:25,440
I I guess you so basic with grammar

7217
05:03:25,440 --> 05:03:28,320
request, you have to tell them if it's

7218
05:03:28,320 --> 05:03:30,878
going to take me six hours to complete,

7219
05:03:30,878 --> 05:03:33,440
I need your money up front and then I

7220
05:03:33,440 --> 05:03:35,760
will start the process.

7221
05:03:35,760 --> 05:03:37,120
Like I just had a

7222
05:03:37,120 --> 05:03:39,680
>> first hour is no cost, right? First no

7223
05:03:39,680 --> 05:03:43,120
cost after 25

7224
05:03:43,120 --> 05:03:45,520
hourly fee,

7225
05:03:45,520 --> 05:03:47,200
you know,

7226
05:03:47,200 --> 05:03:47,920
>> benefits,

7227
05:03:47,920 --> 05:03:50,718
>> you know, like a lawyer charges $350.

7228
05:03:50,718 --> 05:03:56,400
Why can't we charge 150 for

7229
05:03:56,400 --> 05:03:58,400
>> you can only charge what that person

7230
05:03:58,400 --> 05:04:00,480
makes? But I want to say you could

7231
05:04:00,480 --> 05:04:02,080
include benefits.

7232
05:04:02,080 --> 05:04:03,200
>> Okay.

7233
05:04:03,200 --> 05:04:05,200
>> Total rewards. But don't quote me on I

7234
05:04:05,200 --> 05:04:05,840
would look in.

7235
05:04:05,840 --> 05:04:08,400
>> So would that be around 150 an hour for

7236
05:04:08,400 --> 05:04:10,080
her?

7237
05:04:10,080 --> 05:04:12,638
>> At least. You kidding me, Lori? At least

7238
05:04:12,638 --> 05:04:14,404
500.

7239
05:04:14,404 --> 05:04:15,440
[laughter]

7240
05:04:15,440 --> 05:04:17,920
>> Soda pop. It's probably [clears throat]

7241
05:04:17,920 --> 05:04:20,000
>> No, that would be me. [laughter]

7242
05:04:20,000 --> 05:04:23,920
>> Up to the max because that last request,

7243
05:04:23,920 --> 05:04:26,400
I know how much time we spent and I

7244
05:04:26,400 --> 05:04:27,920
don't know how much time she spent, but

7245
05:04:27,920 --> 05:04:30,798
I know what I sent her and uh

7246
05:04:30,798 --> 05:04:32,798
>> I know what I sent her, too.

7247
05:04:32,798 --> 05:04:35,360
Yeah, there was a ton. And so I

7248
05:04:35,360 --> 05:04:37,520
>> most people will back away when I tell

7249
05:04:37,520 --> 05:04:39,840
them it's going to take me however long.

7250
05:04:39,840 --> 05:04:42,798
I need this money up front. Never mind.

7251
05:04:42,798 --> 05:04:44,798
>> Do that. You work really slow, right?

7252
05:04:44,798 --> 05:04:45,200
>> Huh?

7253
05:04:45,200 --> 05:04:47,360
>> When you do that, you work really slow.

7254
05:04:47,360 --> 05:04:49,200
>> Well, it is it is a time because I

7255
05:04:49,200 --> 05:04:50,560
collect it. Then I send it to our

7256
05:04:50,560 --> 05:04:52,638
attorneys and say, "What can I release?

7257
05:04:52,638 --> 05:04:53,840
What do I need to redact?"

7258
05:04:53,840 --> 05:04:56,480
>> I agree that you should work for an

7259
05:04:56,480 --> 05:04:58,240
hour. Take a 10-minute break. Works for

7260
05:04:58,240 --> 05:04:58,718
an hour.

7261
05:04:58,718 --> 05:05:00,560
>> She's very thorough.

7262
05:05:00,560 --> 05:05:02,400
It's a legal process.

7263
05:05:02,400 --> 05:05:05,520
>> I get

7264
05:05:05,520 --> 05:05:08,000
so

7265
05:05:08,000 --> 05:05:10,878
$25 enough.

7266
05:05:10,878 --> 05:05:13,120
>> I mean, that's not

7267
05:05:13,120 --> 05:05:16,000
really anymore.

7268
05:05:16,000 --> 05:05:18,480
>> That's why I mean,

7269
05:05:18,480 --> 05:05:20,240
>> and if you add benefits, it's definitely

7270
05:05:20,240 --> 05:05:21,440
going to change it. So, I would

7271
05:05:21,440 --> 05:05:23,680
definitely double check.

7272
05:05:23,680 --> 05:05:25,040
>> What's it say at the restaurant when

7273
05:05:25,040 --> 05:05:26,400
they don't know the prices? Like market

7274
05:05:26,400 --> 05:05:26,958
rate.

7275
05:05:26,958 --> 05:05:29,200
>> Yeah. Market rate. Morgan, just get the

7276
05:05:29,200 --> 05:05:31,042
max out. That's legal

7277
05:05:31,042 --> 05:05:31,680
[clears throat and cough]

7278
05:05:31,680 --> 05:05:36,160
and let us know by what next Thursday.

7279
05:05:36,160 --> 05:05:39,360
>> We'll put that in with these others.

7280
05:05:39,360 --> 05:05:50,070
>> Yeah, that's just

7281
05:05:50,080 --> 05:05:51,520
» so you might want to put on there just

7282
05:05:51,520 --> 05:05:53,200
like market rate or whatever the current

7283
05:05:53,200 --> 05:05:56,718
market like something that encompasses

7284
05:05:56,718 --> 05:05:58,240
>> rather than

7285
05:05:58,240 --> 05:06:00,400
all over the state.

7286
05:06:00,400 --> 05:06:02,798
I swear it said no, but

7287
05:06:02,798 --> 05:06:05,200
>> I suppose that could be a different

7288
05:06:05,200 --> 05:06:06,400
person.

7289
05:06:06,400 --> 05:06:08,160
>> So they requested something from

7290
05:06:08,160 --> 05:06:09,840
engineering. We're have to pay our

7291
05:06:09,840 --> 05:06:13,680
engineering rate, right?

7292
05:06:13,680 --> 05:06:16,798
>> So market rate.

7293
05:06:16,798 --> 05:06:18,878
>> Yeah, I'm fine. And then when they call,

7294
05:06:18,878 --> 05:06:22,160
she can let them know what that is. like

7295
05:06:22,160 --> 05:06:24,320
a restaurant with

7296
05:06:24,320 --> 05:06:25,760
>> So, do we have to have these three

7297
05:06:25,760 --> 05:06:35,350
things in the

7298
05:06:35,360 --> 05:06:37,360
» If we have anything we need to change,

7299
05:06:37,360 --> 05:06:40,080
we need to know because we need to get

7300
05:06:40,080 --> 05:06:41,920
this

7301
05:06:41,920 --> 05:06:44,240
we have to get the public noticed,

7302
05:06:44,240 --> 05:06:44,638
right?

7303
05:06:44,638 --> 05:06:47,280
>> Yeah. But it says the budget officer

7304
05:06:47,280 --> 05:06:50,480
shall budget officer statement that the

7305
05:06:50,480 --> 05:06:52,878
tenative budget includes a proposed tax

7306
05:06:52,878 --> 05:06:56,480
rate increase. This is what the tenative

7307
05:06:56,480 --> 05:06:58,958
budget has to include.

7308
05:06:58,958 --> 05:07:01,680
Um taxing entity and it has to be the

7309
05:07:01,680 --> 05:07:04,160
first meeting in May. The taxing entity

7310
05:07:04,160 --> 05:07:06,718
includes on the agenda for the public

7311
05:07:06,718 --> 05:07:09,040
meeting a separate identifi item

7312
05:07:09,040 --> 05:07:12,638
notifying the public that an extensive

7313
05:07:12,638 --> 05:07:14,958
or executive officer or budget officer

7314
05:07:14,958 --> 05:07:18,480
of the tax entity intends to state in

7315
05:07:18,480 --> 05:07:20,480
the public meeting that the tenative

7316
05:07:20,480 --> 05:07:22,798
budget includes a proposed tax rate

7317
05:07:22,798 --> 05:07:25,360
increase and then an entity shall

7318
05:07:25,360 --> 05:07:28,080
present a property tax impact schedule

7319
05:07:28,080 --> 05:07:30,000
that is separate from all other budget

7320
05:07:30,000 --> 05:07:33,760
documents. But I don't think you have to

7321
05:07:33,760 --> 05:07:35,840
actually

7322
05:07:35,840 --> 05:07:38,080
like put that in. I don't know.

7323
05:07:38,080 --> 05:07:41,120
>> I just I sorry to get all off topic, but

7324
05:07:41,120 --> 05:07:43,600
on the said tenative budget for fiscal

7325
05:07:43,600 --> 05:07:45,360
year

7326
05:07:45,360 --> 05:07:48,320
including a proposed tax rate increase.

7327
05:07:48,320 --> 05:07:50,798
>> I think that would cover it.

7328
05:07:50,798 --> 05:07:55,350
>> And then you attach

7329
05:07:55,360 --> 05:08:02,788
something.

7330
05:08:02,798 --> 05:08:05,120
Yeah.

7331
05:08:05,120 --> 05:08:08,240
>> Um, but I don't think we would have to

7332
05:08:08,240 --> 05:08:10,320
put those in there.

7333
05:08:10,320 --> 05:08:11,760
>> I wouldn't think so. Just as long as

7334
05:08:11,760 --> 05:08:14,400
it's publicly heard.

7335
05:08:14,400 --> 05:08:16,958
And then at a public meeting between May

7336
05:08:16,958 --> 05:08:19,760
1st and June 13th, the taxing entity

7337
05:08:19,760 --> 05:08:22,798
includes on the agenda for the public

7338
05:08:22,798 --> 05:08:25,360
meeting a separate item notifying the

7339
05:08:25,360 --> 05:08:27,520
public that the executive officer or

7340
05:08:27,520 --> 05:08:30,480
budget officer of the taxing entity

7341
05:08:30,480 --> 05:08:33,040
intends to state the following. And then

7342
05:08:33,040 --> 05:08:35,120
I have to state.

7343
05:08:35,120 --> 05:08:44,310
>> Yeah, I think that's just

7344
05:08:44,320 --> 05:08:47,590
» for

7345
05:08:47,600 --> 05:08:52,470
hot dogs if anybody wants.

7346
05:08:52,480 --> 05:08:54,160
» Okay. Anyway, so is there any new

7347
05:08:54,160 --> 05:08:56,400
changes you want because we need to have

7348
05:08:56,400 --> 05:08:58,878
this because this meeting is next

7349
05:08:58,878 --> 05:08:59,520
Thursday.

7350
05:08:59,520 --> 05:09:00,160
>> Yeah.

7351
05:09:00,160 --> 05:09:02,798
>> And it needs to go out.

7352
05:09:02,798 --> 05:09:05,280
I would say that you know probably worst

7353
05:09:05,280 --> 05:09:07,120
case Monday I'll

7354
05:09:07,120 --> 05:09:10,160
>> Monday before I leave the office I'll

7355
05:09:10,160 --> 05:09:13,920
get you guys all updated lists copies

7356
05:09:13,920 --> 05:09:18,160
>> so I guess my other question is the uh

7357
05:09:18,160 --> 05:09:22,240
truth and taxation thing are we

7358
05:09:22,240 --> 05:09:24,160
>> is that the decision that we are going

7359
05:09:24,160 --> 05:09:24,560
to

7360
05:09:24,560 --> 05:09:25,680
>> what's that

7361
05:09:25,680 --> 05:09:28,798
>> yeah are we going to propose that

7362
05:09:28,798 --> 05:09:32,240
>> so we so we can't make a decision

7363
05:09:32,240 --> 05:09:34,320
We can kind of have a discussion as far

7364
05:09:34,320 --> 05:09:34,560
as

7365
05:09:34,560 --> 05:09:36,638
>> do you want it included in the budget?

7366
05:09:36,638 --> 05:09:39,280
Should I leave it in the budget

7367
05:09:39,280 --> 05:09:41,520
>> because

7368
05:09:41,520 --> 05:09:43,840
it can be specific to something that's

7369
05:09:43,840 --> 05:09:44,638
increasing?

7370
05:09:44,638 --> 05:09:47,280
>> Yes.

7371
05:09:47,280 --> 05:09:53,030
>> I think we do.

7372
05:09:53,040 --> 05:09:55,040
» Okay. I'll leave it in the budget then.

7373
05:09:55,040 --> 05:09:56,718
>> I get the feeling that everybody wants

7374
05:09:56,718 --> 05:09:57,920
it left in the budget. I'm going to

7375
05:09:57,920 --> 05:09:59,840
leave it in the budget. If you don't

7376
05:09:59,840 --> 05:10:01,840
want it, you can propose otherwise.

7377
05:10:01,840 --> 05:10:02,878
How's that? [laughter]

7378
05:10:02,878 --> 05:10:04,400
>> I think we're within legal rounds of

7379
05:10:04,400 --> 05:10:05,040
that.

7380
05:10:05,040 --> 05:10:06,320
>> Even if it's approved because that's

7381
05:10:06,320 --> 05:10:08,480
what they said. If people sometimes say

7382
05:10:08,480 --> 05:10:11,120
they're going to do it, then you that

7383
05:10:11,120 --> 05:10:14,400
doesn't mean we absolutely have to find

7384
05:10:14,400 --> 05:10:20,628
that sheet.

7385
05:10:20,638 --> 05:10:23,040
» Yes, we have to have it. And that's why

7386
05:10:23,040 --> 05:10:25,120
I gave you like that checklist in the

7387
05:10:25,120 --> 05:10:27,440
back is so that you guys hopefully it

7388
05:10:27,440 --> 05:10:29,280
helps you a little bit to understand

7389
05:10:29,280 --> 05:10:30,958
helps me as well. So

7390
05:10:30,958 --> 05:10:33,040
>> Sherry, you're going to email everybody

7391
05:10:33,040 --> 05:10:35,600
that new updated.

7392
05:10:35,600 --> 05:10:36,878
>> I was going to look and see if I could

7393
05:10:36,878 --> 05:10:39,760
find it right now. Okay. So one

7394
05:10:39,760 --> 05:10:43,440
question. So if we want to have Carrie

7395
05:10:43,440 --> 05:10:46,240
come, she told me she has availability

7396
05:10:46,240 --> 05:10:49,360
in May. Do we want to have her come

7397
05:10:49,360 --> 05:10:52,240
before we have the May meeting where

7398
05:10:52,240 --> 05:10:54,240
we're saying

7399
05:10:54,240 --> 05:10:56,400
the we're going to have our statement,

7400
05:10:56,400 --> 05:10:57,760
then we're going to have our statement,

7401
05:10:57,760 --> 05:11:00,000
then we're going to have our schedule.

7402
05:11:00,000 --> 05:11:04,958
So, we have to have it before June 13th,

7403
05:11:04,958 --> 05:11:07,760
which means that we have a council

7404
05:11:07,760 --> 05:11:10,080
meeting June 4th

7405
05:11:10,080 --> 05:11:14,080
that we have to have the public meeting.

7406
05:11:14,080 --> 05:11:15,760
>> Are you talking before the public

7407
05:11:15,760 --> 05:11:17,600
meeting?

7408
05:11:17,600 --> 05:11:19,920
So I'm I'm thinking we would probably

7409
05:11:19,920 --> 05:11:22,480
want her I would think to come probably

7410
05:11:22,480 --> 05:11:24,560
in

7411
05:11:24,560 --> 05:11:27,040
May so she could start I think the

7412
05:11:27,040 --> 05:11:29,520
sooner we start to explain it

7413
05:11:29,520 --> 05:11:31,120
>> just have to make sure we have time to

7414
05:11:31,120 --> 05:11:35,040
give out information she

7415
05:11:35,040 --> 05:11:36,958
>> right the most important thing is that

7416
05:11:36,958 --> 05:11:39,440
we got to let people know because if

7417
05:11:39,440 --> 05:11:43,760
they don't know if she comes then

7418
05:11:43,760 --> 05:11:46,798
>> she said she has wide available

7419
05:11:46,798 --> 05:11:49,760
the week of May 11th through the 15th.

7420
05:11:49,760 --> 05:11:53,520
She's also available May 18th, 19th.

7421
05:11:53,520 --> 05:11:57,200
Then she's leaving town May 21st, 26

7422
05:11:57,200 --> 05:11:59,760
>> and then available May 27th, 28th.

7423
05:11:59,760 --> 05:12:01,600
>> Council meeting.

7424
05:12:01,600 --> 05:12:03,600
>> Well, and I don't know if we want to

7425
05:12:03,600 --> 05:12:05,760
have it at a council meeting or we want

7426
05:12:05,760 --> 05:12:08,718
to do a town hall meeting that hour

7427
05:12:08,718 --> 05:12:11,120
before. I mean, we even start it earlier

7428
05:12:11,120 --> 05:12:14,798
or we do it another day. I don't know. I

7429
05:12:14,798 --> 05:12:17,760
leave town from the 15th council meeting

7430
05:12:17,760 --> 05:12:19,920
on the 21st.

7431
05:12:19,920 --> 05:12:22,958
So she's going to townst

7432
05:12:22,958 --> 05:12:23,920
on the 21st

7433
05:12:23,920 --> 05:12:26,560
>> and that is Memorial Week

7434
05:12:26,560 --> 05:12:28,798
>> and I'm out of town the week before. Not

7435
05:12:28,798 --> 05:12:31,760
saying you have to do it around me, but

7436
05:12:31,760 --> 05:12:34,718
>> yeah,

7437
05:12:34,718 --> 05:12:36,480
>> I'd be in favor of [clears throat] not

7438
05:12:36,480 --> 05:12:38,560
having it

7439
05:12:38,560 --> 05:12:40,718
the night of the council meeting, just

7440
05:12:40,718 --> 05:12:46,470
having it separate. I think so too.

7441
05:12:46,480 --> 05:12:48,560
» Well, you know what? It should be

7442
05:12:48,560 --> 05:12:49,920
important enough to people that they

7443
05:12:49,920 --> 05:12:52,240
will want to show up on whatever night

7444
05:12:52,240 --> 05:12:52,798
we

7445
05:12:52,798 --> 05:12:54,400
>> Yeah. headline. Think about raising your

7446
05:12:54,400 --> 05:12:55,520
taxes. Come talk to us.

7447
05:12:55,520 --> 05:12:58,320
>> There you go. Boom.

7448
05:12:58,320 --> 05:13:00,718
>> So, you're thinking like maybe 7th.

7449
05:13:00,718 --> 05:13:02,240
>> When do you say you're leaving?

7450
05:13:02,240 --> 05:13:04,638
>> Or I leave the 15th.

7451
05:13:04,638 --> 05:13:07,200
>> So, what if we even did What day did you

7452
05:13:07,200 --> 05:13:08,240
say our

7453
05:13:08,240 --> 05:13:10,878
>> about the 13th of May?

7454
05:13:10,878 --> 05:13:13,990
Wednesday

7455
05:13:14,000 --> 05:13:15,040
» or Tuesday?

7456
05:13:15,040 --> 05:13:17,200
>> Yeah. What What about the 13th? That

7457
05:13:17,200 --> 05:13:19,600
would be before you leave that

7458
05:13:19,600 --> 05:13:21,280
Wednesday.

7459
05:13:21,280 --> 05:13:22,958
>> You're leaving.

7460
05:13:22,958 --> 05:13:24,958
>> I'm leaving the 15th.

7461
05:13:24,958 --> 05:13:29,280
>> My after tax season recovery. [laughter]

7462
05:13:29,280 --> 05:13:30,718
>> Sorry.

7463
05:13:30,718 --> 05:13:33,126
>> That's why I'm going to work for

7464
05:13:33,126 --> 05:13:34,240
[laughter]

7465
05:13:34,240 --> 05:13:37,120
>> I have been

7466
05:13:37,120 --> 05:13:37,520
a

7467
05:13:37,520 --> 05:13:41,360
>> I'm done with my 65 hour weeks.

7468
05:13:41,360 --> 05:13:43,200
district.

7469
05:13:43,200 --> 05:13:44,798
>> Well, Wednesdays there's less crap going

7470
05:13:44,798 --> 05:13:47,538
on, I think.

7471
05:13:47,538 --> 05:13:49,590
[clears throat]

7472
05:13:49,600 --> 05:13:51,520
Wednesday,

7473
05:13:51,520 --> 05:13:54,798
>> Wednesday the 13th.

7474
05:13:54,798 --> 05:13:58,560
>> Are we talking like a five, six?

7475
05:13:58,560 --> 05:14:00,080
>> Well, we want a lot of residents to

7476
05:14:00,080 --> 05:14:02,798
come. We'd be better off saying six.

7477
05:14:02,798 --> 05:14:09,750
>> You definitely need to go to six.

7478
05:14:09,760 --> 05:14:10,958
» So, she's gonna be

7479
05:14:10,958 --> 05:14:13,440
>> she drives that from Salt Lake. She may

7480
05:14:13,440 --> 05:14:14,240
I don't know.

7481
05:14:14,240 --> 05:14:15,840
>> Find out what her schedule is, but

7482
05:14:15,840 --> 05:14:18,240
>> okay. Maybe no earlier than 6.

7483
05:14:18,240 --> 05:14:19,520
>> No earlier than six. We have to go to

7484
05:14:19,520 --> 05:14:21,520
7.8.

7485
05:14:21,520 --> 05:14:23,600
>> So, her presentation is probably going

7486
05:14:23,600 --> 05:14:26,878
to be uh down there. It was an hour and

7487
05:14:26,878 --> 05:14:30,000
15 minutes. And she's going to have a

7488
05:14:30,000 --> 05:14:31,600
whole bunch of questions.

7489
05:14:31,600 --> 05:14:37,110
>> She is gonna have a lot of questions.

7490
05:14:37,120 --> 05:14:38,560
» I'm thinking six would be

7491
05:14:38,560 --> 05:14:43,590
>> if she can make that work, go for it.

7492
05:14:43,600 --> 05:14:45,520
» And then Sherry, find out how much more

7493
05:14:45,520 --> 05:14:48,400
she charges to specifically put towards

7494
05:14:48,400 --> 05:14:49,760
Flipper because

7495
05:14:49,760 --> 05:14:51,440
>> you know the stuff that she was putting

7496
05:14:51,440 --> 05:14:53,680
up there, that was part of what was

7497
05:14:53,680 --> 05:14:55,920
confusing me a little bit. She was

7498
05:14:55,920 --> 05:14:59,440
showing uh homes, what 10 different

7499
05:14:59,440 --> 05:15:01,920
homes there. And then if somebody moved

7500
05:15:01,920 --> 05:15:05,920
in, well, man, if that said, uh, you

7501
05:15:05,920 --> 05:15:09,040
know, Del's homes here, Larry Roto's

7502
05:15:09,040 --> 05:15:11,920
homes here, uh, his is worth a million,

7503
05:15:11,920 --> 05:15:19,520
mine's worth a hundred,000. You know, I I think it'd be better if

7504
05:15:19,520 --> 05:15:22,878
she could gauge it a little bit toward

7505
05:15:22,878 --> 05:15:25,200
I think that she was just trying if

7506
05:15:25,200 --> 05:15:27,520
everybody's houses were the same, but

7507
05:15:27,520 --> 05:15:29,760
then one house's property value drops

7508
05:15:29,760 --> 05:15:31,840
and all of a sudden the rest of you have

7509
05:15:31,840 --> 05:15:33,280
to pay a little more because that

7510
05:15:33,280 --> 05:15:35,360
person's paying less and then people

7511
05:15:35,360 --> 05:15:38,000
say, "Well,

7512
05:15:38,000 --> 05:15:48,230
>> it was just it was weird."

7513
05:15:48,240 --> 05:15:50,400
» Okay.

7514
05:15:50,400 --> 05:15:52,400
>> What else?

7515
05:15:52,400 --> 05:15:54,000
Let me know if she needs anything from

7516
05:15:54,000 --> 05:15:55,920
me, Sher. Otherwise, I'll just plan

7517
05:15:55,920 --> 05:15:58,480
attending but not really presenting

7518
05:15:58,480 --> 05:15:59,120
anything.

7519
05:15:59,120 --> 05:16:01,120
>> Well, [clears throat and cough] we have

7520
05:16:01,120 --> 05:16:03,600
specific. So, I think what we for sure

7521
05:16:03,600 --> 05:16:06,480
want to know is that specific of those

7522
05:16:06,480 --> 05:16:08,320
numbers of what it

7523
05:16:08,320 --> 05:16:09,040
>> Yeah.

7524
05:16:09,040 --> 05:16:10,718
>> So, that's why I'm like if whatever she

7525
05:16:10,718 --> 05:16:12,718
needs, I can give her, but

7526
05:16:12,718 --> 05:16:14,560
>> I won't plan on presenting because I

7527
05:16:14,560 --> 05:16:16,160
don't want to take away from her by no

7528
05:16:16,160 --> 05:16:20,390
means.

7529
05:16:20,400 --> 05:16:22,400
» What's that? Diet Coke.

7530
05:16:22,400 --> 05:16:24,798
>> Oh, I can go forever on Diet Coke. Can I

7531
05:16:24,798 --> 05:16:27,358
Ryan

7532
05:16:27,358 --> 05:16:31,110
[laughter]

7533
05:16:31,120 --> 05:16:36,948
equivalent of the house

7534
05:16:36,958 --> 05:16:40,550
to kind of show

7535
05:16:40,560 --> 05:16:44,378
an

7536
05:16:44,388 --> 05:16:47,110
[cough]

7537
05:16:47,120 --> 05:16:51,040
» Yeah, that comparable.

7538
05:16:51,040 --> 05:16:53,280
did that once that he went through all

7539
05:16:53,280 --> 05:16:56,320
the cities in Weaver County and and we

7540
05:16:56,320 --> 05:16:58,000
really weren't the highest. Well, we're

7541
05:16:58,000 --> 05:17:01,270
not because

7542
05:17:01,280 --> 05:17:04,788
» we were

7543
05:17:04,798 --> 05:17:10,788
okay. So, let's get them.

7544
05:17:10,798 --> 05:17:14,320
Okay. Any other things with the fee

7545
05:17:14,320 --> 05:17:16,480
schedule at the moment?

7546
05:17:16,480 --> 05:17:17,680
>> Not that big.

7547
05:17:17,680 --> 05:17:20,638
>> Okay. If you have additional feel free

7548
05:17:20,638 --> 05:17:23,840
to email me. I'd say, like I said,

7549
05:17:23,840 --> 05:17:27,440
Monday, I need to try and get it back

7550
05:17:27,440 --> 05:17:29,600
out to you guys with any changes and all

7551
05:17:29,600 --> 05:17:33,040
changes. So, if you have anything that

7552
05:17:33,040 --> 05:17:35,280
you think of that, you know, even if

7553
05:17:35,280 --> 05:17:36,718
it's different from what's printed and

7554
05:17:36,718 --> 05:17:38,080
you can't remember if we talked about

7555
05:17:38,080 --> 05:17:40,400
the meeting, just shoot me an email. I'm

7556
05:17:40,400 --> 05:17:43,120
happy to just verify that it's in there,

7557
05:17:43,120 --> 05:17:43,600
please.

7558
05:17:43,600 --> 05:17:45,280
>> And then, are you going to email us a

7559
05:17:45,280 --> 05:17:48,320
copy of the uh and it will be the red

7560
05:17:48,320 --> 05:17:50,718
line, right? Yes. Yeah. I'm gonna say

7561
05:17:50,718 --> 05:17:53,360
this is what's there's a lot of stuff in

7562
05:17:53,360 --> 05:17:53,840
there.

7563
05:17:53,840 --> 05:17:55,760
>> A lot of stuff.

7564
05:17:55,760 --> 05:17:59,750
>> You [laughter] mean I do something

7565
05:17:59,760 --> 05:18:00,718
» at night?

7566
05:18:00,718 --> 05:18:07,830
>> Yeah. You confuse my head. [laughter]

7567
05:18:07,840 --> 05:18:09,760
I can ask about some checks on the check

7568
05:18:09,760 --> 05:18:11,280
registry.

7569
05:18:11,280 --> 05:18:17,030
>> Sure.

7570
05:18:17,040 --> 05:18:19,520
» 11,000,000

7571
05:18:19,520 --> 05:18:24,310
a couple differents.

7572
05:18:24,320 --> 05:18:29,030
» Crossing cards. Thank you.

7573
05:18:29,040 --> 05:18:33,510
» Are they

7574
05:18:33,520 --> 05:18:36,080
dragonite displays? Is that

7575
05:18:36,080 --> 05:18:38,958
>> fireworks?

7576
05:18:38,958 --> 05:18:41,120
with this company for this year.

7577
05:18:41,120 --> 05:18:43,120
>> I think so.

7578
05:18:43,120 --> 05:18:45,680
>> Yeah, I think Jamie got in contact with

7579
05:18:45,680 --> 05:18:48,718
a few and they were the cheapest.

7580
05:18:48,718 --> 05:18:50,878
>> Does everybody know that Jamie's the one

7581
05:18:50,878 --> 05:18:52,958
running it this year?

7582
05:18:52,958 --> 05:19:02,390
Kudos to her

7583
05:19:02,400 --> 05:19:07,510
mortgage or

7584
05:19:07,520 --> 05:19:13,110
» I remember when that came across that

7585
05:19:13,120 --> 05:19:29,830
say it's

7586
05:19:29,840 --> 05:19:33,040
That's the morning attention base and

7587
05:19:33,040 --> 05:19:36,000
that when we kind of finalized that

7588
05:19:36,000 --> 05:19:37,600
lawsuit

7589
05:19:37,600 --> 05:19:41,280
took their money and hired our own

7590
05:19:41,280 --> 05:19:43,600
persons

7591
05:19:43,600 --> 05:19:45,680
with their money.

7592
05:19:45,680 --> 05:19:53,510
We paid him half and he's done.

7593
05:19:53,520 --> 05:20:12,390
And it's their money.

7594
05:20:12,400 --> 05:20:16,070
» Any other things?

7595
05:20:16,080 --> 05:20:19,360
» Thank you everybody and thank you. I

7596
05:20:19,360 --> 05:20:21,280
know this is exhausting and I really

7597
05:20:21,280 --> 05:20:23,520
appreciate you taking all these hours

7598
05:20:23,520 --> 05:20:24,878
like almost six.

7599
05:20:24,878 --> 05:20:29,510
>> I think we can do another six hours.

7600
05:20:29,520 --> 05:20:31,920
» I'm glad we wanted to move it up two

7601
05:20:31,920 --> 05:20:32,560
hours.

7602
05:20:32,560 --> 05:20:34,798
>> Yes.

7603
05:20:34,798 --> 05:20:35,760
>> That was great.

7604
05:20:35,760 --> 05:20:38,480
>> We went past 7:30. You lucked out

7605
05:20:38,480 --> 05:20:41,840
>> a hot dog. Larry

7606
05:20:41,840 --> 05:20:45,270
was

7607
05:20:45,280 --> 05:20:48,080
» Yeah. They did a service project for the

7608
05:20:48,080 --> 05:20:50,878
city. They gathered up garbage along the

7609
05:20:50,878 --> 05:20:51,680
roads.

7610
05:20:51,680 --> 05:20:53,440
>> We need to address.

7611
05:20:53,440 --> 05:20:55,680
>> Uh yeah, probably.

7612
05:20:55,680 --> 05:20:57,120
>> So would you say they gathered up

7613
05:20:57,120 --> 05:20:57,600
garbage?

7614
05:20:57,600 --> 05:20:59,520
>> Garbage. So they came and got orange

7615
05:20:59,520 --> 05:21:01,520
bags from the city and they assigned

7616
05:21:01,520 --> 05:21:03,040
roads,

7617
05:21:03,040 --> 05:21:04,638
specific roads, and then they went out

7618
05:21:04,638 --> 05:21:06,080
and gathered up garbage.

7619
05:21:06,080 --> 05:21:06,798
>> And who is it?

7620
05:21:06,798 --> 05:21:11,110
>> It's our ward.

7621
05:21:11,120 --> 05:21:15,040
» Yeah. You gathered up garbage, please.

7622
05:21:15,040 --> 05:21:17,440
an official

7623
05:21:17,440 --> 05:21:19,760
>> um work meetings. We don't This is an

7624
05:21:19,760 --> 05:21:22,400
official. So

7625
05:21:22,400 --> 05:21:24,560
it Can I get a motion to adjourn?

7626
05:21:24,560 --> 05:21:27,120
>> I move that we soon.

7627
05:21:27,120 --> 05:21:28,878
>> Is there a second? Was that

7628
05:21:28,878 --> 05:21:29,680
>> second?

7629
05:21:29,680 --> 05:21:31,520
>> Okay. We had a motion by council member

7630
05:21:31,520 --> 05:21:33,520
Craig, second by council member Hancock.

7631
05:21:33,520 --> 05:21:34,718
All in favor?

7632
05:21:34,718 --> 05:21:37,360
>> I