[0:00] for the police going up 127790
[0:04] and then of course we increased our
[0:07] revenue our expected revenues by that
[0:09] much um was property taxes now I did
[0:13] provide you one other document um I
[0:16] don't have it up here let me hurry see
[0:19] if I can pull it up
[0:22] and share it
[0:28] the best at zoom all the time. So, just
[0:30] bear with me here while I share this
[0:33] other screen. In the very back, your
[0:36] last tab, which should be 11, if I'm
[0:39] thinking right, [laughter]
[0:42] that is the new state auditor checklist.
[0:45] You'll see that they just revised it
[0:47] 41726.
[0:49] This is what us as staff and Morgan and
[0:54] I and Sherry and [clears throat]
[0:56] everybody else will kind of be using for
[0:59] our checklist about how to do truth and
[1:01] taxation. Um they had a lot of entities
[1:05] not be approved for it last year when
[1:08] they did the whole process because they
[1:10] missed one little step. So we will do
[1:13] our best to you know follow the law but
[1:16] it is nice the state auditor has become
[1:18] come out with this new checklist.
[1:20] >> Can I ask you a question? Are we under
[1:22] the impression that we've already
[1:23] decided that we're going to do truth to
[1:24] taxation?
[1:25] >> We do not have to have that total
[1:27] decision. Yeah.
[1:28] >> And in fact we really don't make that
[1:30] decision until we approve the budget the
[1:33] tenative budget. However
[1:36] based on kind of my understanding last
[1:38] meeting that was the consensus. So that
[1:41] is what I have built into the budget.
[1:43] >> Yeah. Because we can't make a decision
[1:44] in a work meeting and so I don't know
[1:46] that we've given any impression that we
[1:47] made a decision. Yeah.
[1:48] >> And so I think we still need to
[1:50] deliberate and make a decision before we
[1:52] >> Yeah.
[1:52] >> I don't want us to be taking action that
[1:54] appears as though we've made a decision
[1:55] when we made one.
[1:57] >> Exactly. And and that's a very good
[1:59] point that we should definitely clarify
[2:01] that that you know as we're doing the
[2:03] budget I have to get what
[2:06] >> I think you guys want. obviously is not
[2:08] a decision that's been made in stone as
[2:10] of this point. [clears throat]
[2:12] >> Now, if we go to approve the budget, the
[2:15] tenative budget, um at the next council
[2:18] meeting and somebody has a problem with,
[2:20] you know, a line item, they can make a
[2:22] motion to approve the tenative budget as
[2:25] is with this change, meaning like that
[2:29] we don't do 128,000 to cover police.
[2:34] Okay. Then where are we going to get
[2:37] that money from? You just need to direct
[2:39] me with that motion.
[2:41] Unfortunately, I have to have something
[2:44] for you to kind of approve. So, I do my
[2:47] best guess and then at that meetings
[2:50] when you say, "Okay, we're going to
[2:52] approve this tonight budget with this
[2:53] change or yes, we just like it the way
[2:55] it is. We're going to approve it the way
[2:56] it is." So, yeah. Well, one thing
[3:00] interesting there along what you were
[3:01] just saying about the detail it needs to
[3:03] be from the meeting was just attended in
[3:05] St. George, [clears throat] the tax
[3:07] expert. Um, there were like seven
[3:11] entities last year that didn't get
[3:14] approved for it and almost every one of
[3:16] them was a school district. So, it's a
[3:19] really fine line to get it exact or it
[3:22] immediately gets kicked out. So,
[3:24] >> yeah, I know. Um, I can throw it out
[3:27] there that Roy City, they went through
[3:29] the whole thing and they didn't get
[3:30] approved.
[3:31] >> Yeah. And um you know there's other
[3:34] cities as well that you know so it
[3:36] wasn't just school districts but the
[3:38] state law changed and the state auditor
[3:42] um the best of my knowledge this is the
[3:45] first checklist they've done since that
[3:47] change and I think it was pushed because
[3:50] so many people weren't getting those
[3:52] approved and really the state the law
[3:56] you know you can read it and stuff but
[3:58] most people are like okay now dumb it
[4:01] >> [laughter]
[4:02] >> you know, so this fact that the state
[4:04] auditor came up with a checklist, um,
[4:07] it's pretty much I won't say it's
[4:09] foolproof that if we follow it that
[4:11] we'll get it, but it's a good guide.
[4:14] It's a really good guide because it is
[4:15] the state auditor that put it out there.
[4:18] So, they kind of put their stamp on it.
[4:20] One thing I that was really appreciative
[4:23] to is when these seminars we went to,
[4:26] they really did relied heavily to on the
[4:28] Utah League of Cities and Towns had some
[4:31] of them on their committee with them to
[4:33] go through this. So anything they
[4:36] presented to us was stuff that had been
[4:38] vetted through the auditor. So that was
[4:41] really helpful too because there are a
[4:43] lot of us that are facing probably we we
[4:46] don't haven't voted on it yet but could
[4:48] be possibly facing a truth in taxation
[4:50] this year.
[4:52] >> Yeah.
[4:52] >> So Candy went to this page on general
[4:55] fund expenses. Are we coming back to
[4:57] this page or was that just
[4:59] >> that was just to talk about the
[5:01] >> Yeah, we'll be back on that page. Yeah.
[5:05] >> So yeah, my my intention was more so
[5:08] just to show you Okay. Yes, that taps,
[5:11] you know, changed and then we all
[5:14] because of that line item is where we
[5:16] put that change. Um, obviously,
[5:20] you know, that was the vibe I kind of
[5:22] got from the last meeting. So, I have to
[5:25] go with kind of what feelings I get, but
[5:29] it's not a set in stone thing. If you
[5:32] choose not to do it, you know, when we
[5:33] do the meeting um coming up here in May
[5:37] and you want to make a motion to not do
[5:39] it, please do. You know, this is my best
[5:41] guess to try and come up with a document
[5:43] that we all hopefully feel good with
[5:46] that you may not and you may not like
[5:48] something else. So, you do have that
[5:50] right in that meeting before you vote
[5:53] to, you know, make a motion that you
[5:56] want to approve the budget minus this or
[5:58] approve the budget minus that. [cough]
[6:01] I don't like the budget at all. I don't
[6:02] approve it. Well, then we have to stay
[6:04] up till midnight and come up with
[6:05] something. [laughter] Okay.
[6:07] >> Or be in violation of state law. So,
[6:10] >> we kind of have a choice. So, but I
[6:13] wanted to just kind of point that right
[6:15] out from the get-go. I did include that
[6:17] in there um because that was the feeling
[6:21] I kind of got from everybody that that
[6:23] was the route we felt like we should go.
[6:27] Um, I think it is, I can't speak for
[6:29] everybody, but I think it is going to be
[6:31] a common thing to see that a lot of
[6:34] people are going to have to have that.
[6:39] >> So, that's a definite figure because I
[6:42] know we are up in the air.
[6:44] >> Now, does that include the officers for
[6:48] the schools or is that another
[6:50] >> Yeah, the school district make their
[6:52] decision,
[6:52] >> the resource officer. So, can we refuse
[6:56] that and take that out of there or
[6:58] >> so? No. In order I read, in fact, I
[7:02] actually pulled it up so I would have
[7:04] it. When you go through the
[7:05] incorporation, in order for her to be an
[7:07] incorporation, one of the things we have
[7:09] to provide is
[7:11] >> lacing. So,
[7:13] >> so we don't have a choice.
[7:14] >> We we don't have a we don't have a
[7:16] choice. The difference was is there we
[7:19] are already they were paying 70, we were
[7:21] paying 30. We asked them to pay 100. As
[7:25] far as I know, they did not agree to the
[7:27] 100, but they still agreed to the 70,
[7:29] which is what we've been
[7:31] >> what we've been paying anyway.
[7:33] >> So, we're paying the 70.
[7:35] >> They're they're paying 70. We pay 30,
[7:37] but it is of 75% of the year. So, when
[7:41] school is not in session, then we are
[7:44] paying 100%. But those nine months when
[7:47] school's in session, we pay 30%, they
[7:49] pay 70.
[7:52] So, I got a question. When you say we
[7:53] don't have a choice,
[7:55] >> what does that mean? Because I mean I
[7:57] I'm curious
[7:59] if we have the choice to say we see no
[8:02] we see a negligible benefit from the
[8:04] additional six that you've chosen to
[8:05] add. Um we are still paying the same
[8:08] portion that we would have paid for the
[8:09] amount of the service that we've been
[8:10] receiving which is per call under what
[8:14] any other city is seeing. and we don't
[8:16] see the value and ultimately raising our
[8:18] budget and ultimately maybe taxing our citizens for an increased service
[8:23] that's giving us absolutely no value. So
[8:25] we we agree to pay you what we're paying
[8:27] you today, but we're not paying you for
[8:29] the increased services. Would they
[8:31] discontinue service and would we be in
[8:33] violation of our incorporation rate?
[8:36] >> That's a good question. I I don't know.
[8:39] >> That might be a question for the
[8:40] attorney or something. So, everyone's
[8:43] went up.
[8:45] >> If you looked at the chart,
[8:47] ours went up less than some.
[8:51] >> It still went up a substantial amount.
[8:55] >> Part of the problem, too, was what the
[8:57] county is paying in their general fund
[8:59] now and what the county is not paying in
[9:01] their general fund. [clears throat] You
[9:02] know, the whole thing with this is, and
[9:04] I've mentioned this before, it depends
[9:05] on what pocket you want to take it out
[9:07] of. So, the school district said, "Well,
[9:09] if we pay 100%, then we're going to raise your truth in
[9:13] Texas, which they probably might anyway,
[9:15] and raise it. So I said, "Okay, so then
[9:17] we have our residents take it out of
[9:19] that pocket." Well, you won't pay it.
[9:20] Then we raise taxes. It comes out of
[9:22] this pocket. If we don't pay it, and
[9:24] then the county says, "Well, they have
[9:26] to pay it." Then they raise our taxes.
[9:28] Bottom line is this amount of money
[9:31] needs to be paid.
[9:32] >> It's just who shifts that burden. And
[9:36] again, it's all the residents because
[9:38] it's all a tax.
[9:40] >> The irony of it is we any schools that
[9:43] have your resourcing
[9:46] to the pot that we don't drink
[9:49] >> except for they say they do at Rocky
[9:51] Mountain, Roy High, Roy Jun, Westfield,
[9:54] and those are our
[9:56] >> kids.
[10:00] And the other difference is if we raise
[10:02] the taxes to cover something that's a
[10:04] county assessment issue, then we're the
[10:06] ones who are going to hear from our
[10:08] constituents about it. And if they raise
[10:10] the taxes because they're deciding to up
[10:12] their budget. Then they get to answer
[10:13] why they're doing. And so that I think
[10:15] that that's a material difference to me
[10:17] is that I need to defend to the citizens
[10:19] why I'm raising their taxes and I have
[10:21] to pass the buck and say, "Well, it's
[10:23] because the the police force decided to
[10:26] add more people, which maybe they need,
[10:27] but it's not necessarily that they need
[10:29] it here." And so I have a hard time in
[10:31] that justification conversation of why
[10:32] I'm raising your taxes when it's like,
[10:34] well, we could say no and then they can
[10:36] raise their taxes and that's fine. Let
[10:38] them explain why they feel that they
[10:39] need to do it.
[10:44] sheriff's department
[10:48] just like
[10:51] it should be it own district so they can
[10:52] just
[10:55] such an increase
[10:57] >> doesn't have to go through the cities
[10:58] but who knows
[11:01] that
[11:02] >> well and having a lot of residents been
[11:04] under the assumption that we were paying
[11:06] that out of our specific budget that it
[11:09] coming out of their county taxes.
[11:14] >> Well, they're two separate things and
[11:15] residents need to understand that, too.
[11:17] You know, you still have a line item on
[11:19] your county taxes, but that's to pay for
[11:21] the jail and CSI. I mean, there's a
[11:23] whole list of things that are additional
[11:26] besides what we are paying.
[11:27] >> Yeah. But it doesn't cover the whole I
[11:29] guess it doesn't cover the whole police
[11:30] budget. A lot of people couldn't figure
[11:32] out I've had several people ask, well,
[11:35] you know, why are we having this bill
[11:37] here? comes out of our property taxes.
[11:39] And it's like, no, this is one that
[11:41] comes directly out of city budget, not
[11:43] out of the county's direct.
[11:45] >> Same with the animal control. $84,000
[11:48] comes out of
[11:52] » including me. including me.
[11:56] >> Most of us here I [laughter] know
[11:59] >> I just want to be
[12:00] >> know my solution
[12:02] >> including her because I would put cows
[12:03] on in their field because animal control
[12:05] people wouldn't work on the weekend. So
[12:07] it was
[12:08] >> the hard thing with the sheriff
[12:09] department [laughter] and I'm not
[12:10] telling you anything new. We currently
[12:13] do not have the financing in our budget
[12:15] to be able to have our own.
[12:18] You know, I the mayors meet quite often
[12:20] and Pleasant View has a budget of three
[12:22] million a year that they pay and they
[12:25] have about the same population that we
[12:27] do. And Washington Terrace will tell you
[12:30] they used to have their own 20 years ago
[12:32] and what they were paying then we they
[12:34] finally caught up to what they're paying
[12:36] this year. It's it's a I something needs
[12:39] to be done administratively down because
[12:43] then again, yes, we always have a
[12:46] choice. We could And but our choices
[12:49] would be we start our own police
[12:51] department, we try to go to a different
[12:53] police department.
[12:55] >> So that class that I was just going to
[12:58] say there's a simple cure for this
[13:00] that's been talked about for years. Just
[13:03] pay according to the service
[13:06] >> to the usage,
[13:07] >> you know, calls versus population. If
[13:10] you're not if you don't have that many
[13:12] calls even though you have a
[13:13] [clears throat and cough] population if
[13:15] it was based on calls the right it used
[13:18] to be 50/50 and that was terrible and
[13:20] then 6040 was a little better 7030 it
[13:24] would be better if it 70% on calls 30%
[13:27] on population it's really an easy fix
[13:31] but where you what you're going to be
[13:32] challenged with is the mayors that have
[13:36] cities where there's a lot of crime a
[13:38] lot more crime than we
[13:40] because it's going to be their vote
[13:41] against your vote.
[13:42] >> Yeah.
[13:43] >> And and in all honesty, we're
[13:44] subsidizing.
[13:46] >> We are subsidiz.
[13:46] >> We're subsidizing. And and I'm not
[13:48] saying there are more communities that
[13:50] aren't more apt to crime or whatever,
[13:52] but part of the things we talk about
[13:54] that try to eliminate crime, which is
[13:55] not allowing businesses to go dark here,
[13:57] not allowing high density housing, not
[14:00] you know, the different types of things
[14:01] we do communally that impact all of
[14:03] those downstream effects for crime.
[14:05] we're investing in other areas and we're
[14:07] keeping Hooper Hooper doing community
[14:09] events, keeping the community tight and
[14:12] um alleviating some of those things. And
[14:14] so in my opinion, it's like well then
[14:16] why are we also paying the price? But I
[14:18] agree with you fully. Like I feel like
[14:20] if it should just make sense like pay
[14:22] for what you use like if we're if we see
[14:24] an uptick in calls and our residents are
[14:26] using more, we paid for that. But if and
[14:29] we saw on that graph you gave us from
[14:31] the last meeting.
[14:33] >> I [snorts] mean we're at the bottom of
[14:34] the list on
[14:35] >> calls
[14:37] >> and and they're all small incidents.
[14:39] >> Full disclosure I'm trying to figure out
[14:42] [clears throat] why I have kids in law
[14:44] enforcement and it's not Weaver County
[14:46] but Perry Willard Manow have their own
[14:50] police departments. So Boxer County
[14:52] obviously has some way different. I
[14:54] don't know how they're pulling it off,
[14:55] but I am looking into that issue right
[14:57] now to find out how the crap like man I
[15:00] don't know how man could possibly well
[15:02] they got 300 res.
[15:05] >> Yeah, they do.
[15:07] >> They got
[15:09] in trouble a few years ago because that
[15:11] was supporting their city. So they
[15:13] limited them on how many tickets they
[15:16] could ride on the highway. That's the
[15:18] revenue.
[15:18] >> I am trying to investigate that a little
[15:21] bit just to see.
[15:22] >> Unfortunately for this year,
[15:24] [clears throat]
[15:25] >> we get
[15:27] but this is I think these are all really
[15:30] important issues.
[15:30] >> Yeah, we're going to look into that down
[15:31] the road.
[15:32] >> Yes. That by next year we hopefully
[15:35] we've been, you know, consistently
[15:37] investigating this and yeah, I I agree
[15:41] and I've made those same concerns. You
[15:43] know, we we're grateful we don't have
[15:46] the amount of
[15:47] But also one of the things is but they
[15:49] still have to be prepared to cover our
[15:51] population whether we have those calls
[15:53] or not.
[15:53] >> There's no doubt about that.
[15:55] >> So I think that was their rationale
[15:57] behind the 6040 is but but if you did
[16:00] have those calls
[16:02] our population still has to be covered.
[16:04] >> Well then I'm pursuing a line item from
[16:06] the animal control too because
[16:09] um I believe we've already used 60 plus
[16:12] thousand in our budget this year. Just I
[16:15] would like counting how we got that much
[16:19] used of our $84,000 budget.
[16:24] >> Yeah, I know. But I want I want the line
[16:26] items of what you charge.
[16:30] >> Yeah.
[16:31] >> For those cows in my pasture
[16:35] [laughter]
[16:38] » for them. I do more cow chasing in
[16:40] >> you do
[16:40] >> in Weaver County than Wever County
[16:43] Animal Control is because they don't
[16:45] know anything about cows
[16:46] >> and they don't know who owns the cows.
[16:48] >> I always get call from a brand inspector
[16:50] like you know whose cows you are look
[16:52] and see. So anyway,
[16:53] >> I'm sure there's some things when you
[16:55] look up there as far as the shelter. I
[16:57] mean there are some things that they
[16:59] would probably say well are you going to
[17:00] have your own? But again, I think this
[17:03] is something by next year we need to see
[17:06] if there's something different. And then
[17:08] when we get to garbage services, I'll talk about that. We mentioned a
[17:13] little bit, but may maybe some of these
[17:14] things we could do on our own.
[17:17] >> Certainly not all of them. We're
[17:18] probably going to have to pick and
[17:19] choose.
[17:21] I think if you explain to citizens, you
[17:24] know, that yes, there is a concern and
[17:26] yes, you're not happy about it, but do
[17:28] they want, you know, that all we're
[17:30] doing is increasing the taxes for
[17:33] >> the police services and then from there,
[17:37] you know, maybe a committee gets
[17:38] together, maybe the citizens get
[17:40] together and go talk to Weber County,
[17:43] you know, there's routes that they can
[17:45] go to address this, but I think our, you
[17:49] know, I'm sorry for taking up your
[17:51] >> No, you're great. It's a great
[17:52] discussion and it's something that
[17:54] definitely needs to not be brushed under
[17:56] the rug. Yeah, we've absorbed it. Let's
[17:58] move on for next year. No, it's
[18:00] something what are we going to do or
[18:02] what can we look at to make us actually
[18:05] realize if if it is great, great. If
[18:08] it's not, what are we going to do
[18:09] different?
[18:11] >> And we just need to be clear. It's not
[18:13] the service
[18:14] >> we're complaining about.
[18:15] >> It's not the service. Yeah,
[18:18] >> it's just
[18:18] >> 100%
[18:19] >> the lack of needing it.
[18:21] >> We support the officers. We appreciate
[18:22] what they're doing.
[18:23] >> Oh, yeah.
[18:24] >> Oh, yes. Love having
[18:28] » realized too we are one of the bigger
[18:30] cities, you know, geographically.
[18:32] >> Well, not even geographically, but
[18:34] population.
[18:35] >> So, they look at us and say, you know,
[18:37] like Washington Terrace, but they they
[18:40] don't say this, but they could, you
[18:42] know, they could look at us and say, "We
[18:44] have a lot less than you. a lot less
[18:46] population but they pay a lot more but I
[18:49] think we need to address it now so we're
[18:50] ready by next
[18:51] >> year for that
[18:53] >> yeah exactly
[18:55] >> so okay we ready
[18:58] >> yes
[18:59] >> okay [laughter]
[19:00] so okay so overall we did talk about
[19:03] last year or the fact that our um
[19:08] >> oh I don't know why that got typed there
[19:11] that is not supposed to say TNT
[19:13] checklist right there I apologize you
[19:14] guys Um, it was supposed to be
[19:19] Let's see if it printed out even that
[19:21] way.
[19:26] » But are we going back?
[19:29] >> I made one change on my spreadsheet and
[19:31] it changed a bunch.
[19:32] >> We're going back to tab two.
[19:33] >> Um, yeah, back to tab two.
[19:37] >> Tab two. That's actually tab two or tab
[19:39] two that's actually tab three.
[19:40] >> Tab two. [laughter]
[19:43] It printed out the TNT checklist cost
[19:45] $167.
[19:46] >> Yeah, that's not right. I apologize. Oh
[19:48] my gosh. I made one change in one spot
[19:50] and it changed every page I'm looking
[19:52] at. So,
[19:54] >> what's that supposed to say?
[19:55] >> I'm getting that real quick. I think I
[19:57] know
[19:58] >> star where you know these questions we
[19:59] have because this is something that if
[20:02] we by the time we're done today talking
[20:04] about the budget that we will need to
[20:06] make a decision on next Thursday at our
[20:08] meeting about the truth and
[20:11] for the increase to pay for the share.
[20:16] >> Okay. So, I apologize. Line item 10,
[20:20] that's account 10315,000
[20:23] should say sales tax
[20:27] 25%.
[20:28] Or 25%.
[20:32] My gosh, that makes me mad. I did that
[20:35] on a real quick
[20:36] >> last minute. Oh, we should change.
[20:41] Yeah.
[20:45] » And I'll correct that each time we get
[20:47] to that on every page. I apologize,
[20:49] guys.
[20:50] >> You're right here.
[20:52] >> Right here. That
[20:53] >> just count.
[20:55] >> What What happened is I had all these
[20:57] pages highlighted and I added that right
[20:59] there and it changed that line on every
[21:04] single page that I printed.
[21:07] >> Makes me mad.
[21:08] >> No, it's okay.
[21:10] was a sales tax.
[21:11] >> It's going to say sales tax
[21:14] 0.25.
[21:17] » So they did reduce that portion of our
[21:21] income and that is because of the
[21:24] homeless shelter
[21:26] >> um that we discussed last time. So that
[21:28] was that change there. So overall with
[21:31] the truth and taxation implemented, I'm
[21:34] estimating that our total taxes would be
[21:37] 2.9
[21:39] this year. Um an increase from what I
[21:43] estimate this current year budget is,
[21:45] but I think we'll get maybe a little bit
[21:47] [cough] more um sales tax and then of
[21:49] course the additional from the truth and
[21:53] taxation that I'm anticipating.
[21:56] Um
[21:58] and so Now, I'm just going to go by each
[22:01] kind of category. If you have a question
[22:03] within that category, maybe just stop me
[22:05] and we'll drill down a little bit more.
[22:07] Does that work for everybody if I go
[22:08] that route? So, go line by line. So,
[22:12] total licenses, I'm estimating about
[22:15] 226,400.
[22:18] A little bit less building permits. I
[22:19] could be wrong. Those are always hard to
[22:21] gauge, but as of right now, we're at
[22:25] 130. Um, so And that so you're 130. Is
[22:32] that through the first nine months?
[22:34] >> Yes, that's through um the first nine
[22:36] months. So yeah, that March back here.
[22:39] >> Maybe I missed out because
[22:43] I just went back and divided by from the
[22:48] financial statement and then divided by
[22:51] times by three. I come up with 175.
[22:55] I'll go with your figure.
[22:56] >> Well, usually if I come up at like
[22:58] 175ish, I'll round it up. So, you know,
[23:02] I kind of said, "Okay, well, maybe we
[23:04] might get close to the 180."
[23:06] >> It's the 180, not the 130 that
[23:08] >> Yeah, the 139 is just the
[23:11] >> um current year March.
[23:13] >> Yeah.
[23:14] >> Yep.
[23:15] >> So,
[23:15] >> that's actually what I have. So, okay.
[23:17] Sorry.
[23:18] >> That's okay. You're great. Um Okay. So,
[23:22] licenses [cough and clears throat] We're
[23:23] at 226400.
[23:25] Does anybody want me to increase those
[23:27] building permits more or you think it's
[23:30] better? I kind of go conservative.
[23:32] Sorry, but I usually do. But if you
[23:35] disagree with me, please speak up. Okay.
[23:38] So, I'll leave that alone then. As of
[23:40] right now, our intergovernmental um I'm
[23:43] estimating that our classy roads fund
[23:46] hopefully we'll get a little bit more
[23:48] next year. Um, I'm hoping for about 600.
[23:52] We've got 900 for or 9,000 for liquor.
[23:56] So, that's usually pretty consistent.
[24:00] So, maybe we'll get a little bit more of
[24:01] that liquor store up here. Hey,
[24:05] >> start drinking more.
[24:07] [laughter]
[24:08] >> And then we'll use the appropriate
[24:09] amount of police.
[24:12] [laughter]
[24:13] >> Well, drink if you're there with me.
[24:17] >> So,
[24:19] Yeah, there we go. Um charges for
[24:22] services I'm estimating about 82 250. Um
[24:28] the I kind of estimated maybe a little
[24:30] bit low on cemetery, but does anybody
[24:33] have any comments on there?
[24:35] >> So when we talk about you brought up uh
[24:39] changing the fees and that
[24:41] >> is this when we bring it up for like the
[24:43] cemetery or is that at a different
[24:45] point? We could certainly have that
[24:47] discussion at this point.
[24:48] >> Yeah. Or do you want to do it when we go
[24:50] through the fee schedule, whichever you
[24:51] would suggest?
[24:52] >> Maybe we can go through the fee schedule
[24:54] at the very end and maybe discuss it
[24:56] then. Okay.
[24:58] >> Yeah.
[24:58] I'm definitely game for that. So,
[25:01] >> okay. Um fines, uh 20,000 right now.
[25:06] We're only at 12,000. 20,000 I think is
[25:09] probably generous, unfortunately.
[25:11] So
[25:12] >> So what are those fines for? Those are a
[25:16] lot of the fines that we get from the
[25:18] police.
[25:19] >> Okay.
[25:20] >> So, yeah.
[25:27] » Or
[25:29] [clears throat]
[25:30] >> no caught.
[25:31] >> Okay. [laughter]
[25:35] » So, okay. And then um our next is our
[25:39] miscellaneous which is 323100.
[25:42] I will point out that part of that is
[25:44] tomato days. Um, but we did not get any
[25:48] grants for that this year
[25:50] >> and we actually have 7,000.
[25:52] >> Oh, we did get 57,000.
[25:54] Okay. So, we want to add that in there.
[25:56] So, I'll add that in there. [snorts]
[25:58] >> Um,
[25:59] >> and then the is that uh something
[26:02] besides the home down there or is that
[26:05] what that is?
[26:06] >> The tomato.
[26:07] >> No, the
[26:11] rat.
[26:12] Oh,
[26:13] >> is that
[26:14] >> like booth rent space?
[26:16] >> Okay. So, the rent is for the rental
[26:19] home over by
[26:21] >> the
[26:23] road.
[26:24] >> Yep. Yeah. So,
[26:27] right now we're getting 1,800 I believe.
[26:33] » Um is I usually um will budget part of
[26:39] the money that we get that we that 5,000
[26:43] um or that 5% of the utility tax that
[26:46] we've set aside, we'll budget some of
[26:48] that for expense. Well, I don't want to
[26:50] just take that out of general fund
[26:53] revenues when I'm already putting it
[26:55] into that reserve. So, if I record it as
[26:58] income, then I have the expense to
[27:00] offset it when it's really just pulling
[27:01] from a reserve.
[27:03] >> So, what does
[27:05] >> is that the emergency response?
[27:07] >> Yeah. So, that's basically giving them
[27:08] the authorization to spend some of it in
[27:11] the expense category.
[27:13] >> So it'll never show an expense here.
[27:16] >> No, it it it is in the expense category
[27:18] to offset that.
[27:21] [clears throat]
[27:21] >> This would be an income. So zero.
[27:24] >> Yeah. So it will say zero because we're
[27:26] using fund balance. But I don't want to
[27:29] use other fund balance. We're using that
[27:32] restricted fund balance. So I'm giving
[27:34] authorization to pull from that
[27:36] restricted fund balance to spend it.
[27:41] It's confusing. I know. I get you. It's
[27:44] that governmental accounting. [laughter]
[27:46] >> And I know we talked once about maybe
[27:48] just setting a straight amount rather
[27:50] than 5% because the 5% was quite a large
[27:54] number.
[27:54] >> Yeah. And I've talked to Dave, Larry's
[27:57] talked to Dave, they haven't used the
[27:59] 5%.
[28:00] >> And according to Dave, the first couple
[28:02] years is really the ramp up usage. And
[28:04] he feels like after three years or so,
[28:06] it's probably going to plateau and we
[28:07] won't have much use of it at all.
[28:09] There are a few things that he needed to
[28:10] do this year between the trailer and you
[28:12] know getting the antenna and stuff on
[28:14] the roof, but I don't even think we're
[28:16] touching 9,000 10,000 right now.
[28:19] >> We've got 39,000 reserved right now.
[28:21] >> That's what I wrote down. I'm thinking
[28:24] >> because Dave [snorts] said he was going
[28:26] to get some money this year, some next
[28:28] year. If the money's sitting there, why
[28:31] don't we just get that project done
[28:34] >> because he says then it's going to go
[28:35] down into the hundreds that he'll in a
[28:38] year and
[28:41] >> yeah, I just don't see why we
[28:43] >> let him do it. I mean,
[28:44] >> so how much do you think we
[28:46] [clears throat] need to get him to
[28:47] spend?
[28:48] >> I think I should talk to him and just
[28:50] say if we were
[28:51] >> and just say if we were to get
[28:52] everything done you need, what is that
[28:54] going to cost us?
[28:55] >> And then we can look at like maintenance
[28:57] over time. So
[28:57] >> even though the council, the previous
[29:00] council told me to put 5% away for this
[29:03] utility tax, it's reserved. It's not
[29:05] restricted. So it means that you guys
[29:08] can easily say, "Okay, now stop doing
[29:11] that."
[29:11] >> Yeah.
[29:13] >> Doesn't mean that you'll be in high
[29:16] favor with other people, but you have
[29:17] the right to tell.
[29:18] >> Well, I think they realized that too
[29:20] many years ago.
[29:21] >> Yeah. And if we already have that 39,000
[29:23] that he uses this year, then if that's
[29:26] already set aside, maybe we should do
[29:28] this like 5,000 or something. I mean,
[29:31] that's every year from then on. they
[29:33] would still be getting that in addition
[29:35] to that 39 they already have.
[29:37] >> He told me that he he would need 9 to
[29:39] 10,000 for the next two years for sure.
[29:42] >> And then he really thought that it would
[29:48] » like 20,000.
[29:51] >> Yeah. 39.
[29:54] >> Yeah.
[29:54] >> Well, it's not going to get any cheaper
[29:56] if we wait to finish it down really.
[29:59] Everything goes up every year. Mhm.
[30:01] >> Okay.
[30:02] >> Yeah.
[30:02] >> Let me I'm going to meet with them. I'll
[30:03] just meet with them and just be short
[30:05] and get a conservative estimate
[30:07] >> and then give a full number on that
[30:09] >> and maybe what we need to do if you guys
[30:11] are okay with this um maybe say
[30:14] everybody, you know, we have this
[30:15] meeting, we go through everything, we've
[30:17] talked because I don't want to just come
[30:19] to the meeting um in a couple days and
[30:23] say, "Here's the tenative budget. We
[30:26] made these changes. Now you guys approve
[30:28] it because you haven't had a chance to
[30:29] look at it. I don't want to do that. So
[30:32] maybe if you can try and get that or any
[30:34] of the other numbers that we might be
[30:36] able to get a little bit more solid
[30:38] maybe like by Mondayish
[30:42] and then Tuesday
[30:44] >> um
[30:45] >> that would be good.
[30:46] >> I was say even like Tuesday I could
[30:48] reprint everybody or re email. I sorry
[30:51] it's
[30:52] >> okay. [snorts] Oh, so you may not get
[30:55] him. But either way, if we can try and
[30:57] get something, then that way I just
[30:59] don't want to throw something at you
[31:00] last minute. You know, I want to give
[31:02] you guys [clears throat] the chance to
[31:02] look at things and from here on maybe if
[31:05] I make changes, I will highlight those
[31:07] changes so that you'll know exactly what
[31:09] changes we made.
[31:10] >> How's that?
[31:17] Um, we had some donations
[31:19] or
[31:21] >> we had
[31:23] >> Oh, hold on.
[31:25] My brain can't think two times
[31:28] at once. [laughter]
[31:30] >> I know.
[31:31] >> I'll make it purple.
[31:36] » Yeah. So, the senior lunch um I believe
[31:40] we were collecting and they've been
[31:42] spending it out of that. That probably
[31:44] just needs reclassified
[31:46] um
[31:48] down here
[31:50] in the expense. I think we've got an
[31:52] expense for senior lunch.
[31:57] » Yeah, it should be over here in the
[31:59] expense.
[32:10] Oh yeah, we have 4,000 as a
[32:13] line item for that. So I'll move that
[32:15] over on the financials. But yeah,
[32:19] >> that's something we probably want to
[32:20] talk about if because we still have the
[32:22] Roy, but do we want to do it for
[32:24] Riverdale? And that's what we had set
[32:26] aside 300 for those vouchers.
[32:29] >> 4,000 a year.
[32:32] Well, we signed it for two years in our
[32:34] local agreement.
[32:36] >> So, this year is the second year and
[32:38] then we'll see after that.
[32:40] >> How much bang are we getting for our
[32:41] buck with that? Do you have any idea
[32:43] >> with Roy?
[32:44] >> The main reason we're doing that is to
[32:46] keep their center open. You know, the
[32:48] Weber human services came through and
[32:49] said we're closing.
[32:50] >> Yeah, I heard that.
[32:51] >> Yeah, we have a lot of residents.
[32:53] >> Oh, we have a ton of residents to use. I
[32:55] just wonder
[32:56] >> and I don't know how many even with
[32:58] Riverdale we have left. We had quite a
[32:59] few come in and even pick up the
[33:01] vouchers.
[33:02] >> We have used our voucher a lot when you
[33:05] have that be a good thing.
[33:06] >> No, I think when you ask that
[33:08] >> I think we've given out about 10 or 12
[33:10] vouchers for Riverdale.
[33:11] >> How many?
[33:12] >> 10 or 10 to 12.
[33:15] >> Yeah, with Roy. I don't know if there's
[33:16] any way we can find out ballpark how
[33:19] many residents are using them.
[33:21] >> Well, in the past we've had 2,000 as the
[33:24] city senior lunches right below the Roy
[33:27] City. We're no longer doing them here.
[33:30] Do we want to just
[33:32] give that to the Riverdale? And you said
[33:35] it was 3,000.
[33:37] >> No. Well, we we
[33:40] >> Yeah, we were going to do 20 vouchers at
[33:43] 300 a piece.
[33:44] >> 30
[33:45] >> I mean at 30, excuse me.
[33:47] >> Yeah, 600.
[33:52] » 600,000.
[33:59] expenses.
[34:02] » Yeah. I wonder if we do a thousand and
[34:04] we could see. I mean, it doesn't mean
[34:06] we'll get that many people coming.
[34:10] But we I was surprised how many people
[34:12] did.
[34:15] >> Could they Couldn't they go back and
[34:16] check their record? Don't they have like
[34:18] You have to identify yourself.
[34:21] >> Yeah. So, how many came from Booker or
[34:23] could find that out for us?
[34:25] >> They gave us those numbers that one
[34:26] time. I'm going to look and see because
[34:28] I think
[34:29] >> I think somewhere I have them I have it
[34:31] for
[34:33] It was more. Yeah, we were surprised how
[34:35] many people go.
[34:36] >> I don't want to sound
[34:38] a lot of them don't go.
[34:44] » Okay. So,
[34:45] >> my mother-in-law was
[34:48] >> every day, but she's been gone for a
[34:49] while. So, the figures may not be super
[34:52] accurate anymore.
[34:56] » I don't think you'd go either way.
[34:57] You're right.
[34:59] >> Okay.
[35:01] So, I adjusted that down to a
[35:03] th00and. Is that okay?
[35:05] >> Yeah.
[35:08] >> Okay. So,
[35:10] we'll change. Okay. [snorts] So, that
[35:13] gives our total income at 4.1
[35:17] 99.
[35:19] Okay.
[35:21] Um
[35:24] Okay.
[35:27] >> What was that total again?
[35:29] >> You're good. There you go.
[35:36] » Okay.
[35:38] Um, so we'll go to section three.
[35:43] [laughter] How's that sound? Tab three.
[35:46] The real tab three.
[35:50] Um,
[35:52] okay. So, our total governments, um, we
[35:57] did cut a little bit. Oh, there's that
[36:00] TNT that 10418
[36:02] 8080
[36:04] should say.
[36:08] » And I found the number. We have 28
[36:10] residents that regularly attend boy
[36:13] >> still or that was
[36:15] >> that that was their numbers they gave us
[36:16] when we signed on
[36:18] >> and that was a year and a half ago.
[36:21] >> Yeah.
[36:21] >> Okay. I'm sure.
[36:24] >> Okay. So that 1041810
[36:27] should say planning commission training.
[36:30] >> Sorry,
[36:33] » that makes me mad at that.
[36:41] » Um
[36:42] >> Jimmy,
[36:43] >> yeah. He he said there's a
[36:45] misunderstanding there. He needs all the
[36:47] money.
[36:49] >> 49,000.
[36:49] >> Well, here's what he said.
[36:52] They made the money for the cover for
[36:55] the trailer to sit under. They're trying
[36:57] to get their hands on a Quanza hut
[36:59] that's cheaper. So, he's like, "Look,
[37:01] I'm trying to save everything I can."
[37:03] But he's like, "If you take it and then
[37:05] we don't have it, then we're
[37:06] ineffective." And he made a good point
[37:09] to me. The problem with just getting the
[37:11] project finished is they're all
[37:12] volunteers.
[37:13] >> So, he's like getting spending that
[37:15] money quickly. We just we're relying on
[37:17] people who help us do this. And so, it's
[37:19] not like hiring a group of people to
[37:21] come in and put the shelving in, get it
[37:22] done, get the structure built, so it's
[37:24] harder to estimate because they're all
[37:26] doing it all volunteer.
[37:28] So his ask was if you don't take it, let
[37:31] us get through as much as we can and
[37:33] then in like 3 months we can say, okay,
[37:36] this is we didn't need it all and you
[37:38] know, I don't know if we can take it
[37:39] later or if we can move it
[37:40] >> next year or next year we can change our
[37:42] >> I just don't restrict it. Yeah. So, do
[37:44] we want to give him maybe 20,000? And
[37:48] >> I I asked him,
[37:50] >> he thinks he needs all 39.
[37:52] >> Yeah, he thinks he needs He He just said
[37:55] I said, "Well, you know, Larry said he
[37:56] spoke to you and you said maybe around 9
[37:58] or 10." And he goes, "That may have been
[38:00] a misunderstanding. I think I was
[38:01] talking about just the structure to put
[38:03] it underneath and the shelving inside
[38:05] it." He said they still have to get a
[38:06] generator. That's going to cost probably
[38:08] 1,500 bucks, maybe two grand, something
[38:09] like that. So it just depends the
[38:12] pieces, you know,
[38:16] >> just leave the 39.
[38:20] » Should we give him like 20 to spend this
[38:24] year and then he can spend
[38:27] >> Will that 20 be in excess of 39? I don't
[38:30] know.
[38:30] >> No, it will be the 39 basically part of
[38:33] the 39.
[38:35] >> But the 39's going to keep getting added
[38:37] to.
[38:38] >> Yeah. What if he needs the 39?
[38:40] Then we amend the budget.
[38:42] >> Yeah. Okay. But we know we have the 39.
[38:44] >> Yeah. So just um [clears throat] so
[38:47] everybody understands this 450.
[38:50] >> Yeah.
[38:50] >> Um 5% of that is restricted for the
[38:53] search every
[38:55] >> Okay.
[38:55] >> So he'll have it available.
[38:56] >> So he'll have the 39 plus another 225
[39:01] next year.
[39:02] >> Yeah. Unless we can we'll maybe restrict
[39:05] it from there to see what it looks like.
[39:07] >> Yeah.
[39:08] >> Or we could reduce that down to 2 and a
[39:09] half% or we could say x amount each
[39:12] year.
[39:12] >> I think realistically he's not seeing
[39:14] the usage for it, but like you said,
[39:15] part of that is he's got volunteers who
[39:17] can help them when they can come put the
[39:19] showing and do all that stuff and it's
[39:21] kind of
[39:23] >> restricted. Okay. Okay. So, let's
[39:27] >> everyone cool with that?
[39:28] >> I don't I wasn't hearing the original
[39:29] intent of setting this up. The other
[39:31] thing is we're going to have a nice
[39:32] fancy trailer with all this stuff in it
[39:34] sitting there waiting sitting in there
[39:36] cover parking and you know I don't know
[39:37] we may want to talk about the future of
[39:39] how we use that. I know there's been
[39:41] discussion about letting the fire
[39:43] department use it or different people
[39:44] use it and I don't know what that looks
[39:47] like that's just thrown out of the
[39:48] meeting. So I don't know our thoughts on
[39:50] the value of it just sitting there going
[39:52] waste either you know.
[39:53] >> I was worried she's going to have to
[39:54] clean some
[39:55] >> Yeah. I'm not cleaning.
[39:56] >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. So I don't know if
[39:58] we bring it to like
[40:00] >> tomato days like a touch a truck event
[40:02] let people see it I don't I don't know
[40:03] what other intrinsic value we get other
[40:05] than just having it on the shelf there
[40:07] like food storage but
[40:09] >> once we get it done then that that will
[40:11] disappear basically or basically
[40:14] >> but then don't you have to rotate
[40:15] >> you do you got to replace stuff
[40:17] >> oh yeah there ain't going to be near as
[40:18] much
[40:19] >> not the initial
[40:20] >> rotating materials [cough]
[40:23] >> that's going to be minimal what you're
[40:24] rotate
[40:26] >> you'll tires every seven, eight years.
[40:29] You'll have the medical stuff.
[40:32] >> Is that built in there since it's an
[40:34] asset like a depreciating asset? Is
[40:36] there like that whole thought on the
[40:37] budget too? Like how do we
[40:39] >> because it's a general fund, it's not
[40:40] depreciated.
[40:42] >> Okay.
[40:42] >> Until you do the Gazsby 34, which I
[40:45] don't expect any of you to be like what?
[40:48] [laughter]
[40:49] But yeah, um when we do the audit, there
[40:52] is a conversion that is depreciated at
[40:54] that point. But on your general
[40:55] financial statements, not they're not
[40:57] depreciated. That's generally accepted
[41:00] auditing
[41:02] >> standards for government.
[41:05] [clears throat]
[41:06] >> Oh, thanks.
[41:07] >> Yeah, sorry.
[41:08] >> Commission train.
[41:09] >> Okay. So,
[41:11] I'll jump back to that. Um, so we we did
[41:15] do reduce planning commission training
[41:17] because there was the comment that we
[41:20] probably didn't need as much.
[41:24] So, did we already get past the council
[41:26] and council training?
[41:27] >> Um, that's part of the line that we're
[41:29] on.
[41:29] >> Yeah. I mean, council training
[41:33] this year. I mean,
[41:37] » 7200
[41:41] we could definitely reduce that if you
[41:44] don't see a need to go to as many
[41:47] trainings.
[41:50] The way I figured I mean the council is
[41:52] going to be uh under 13,000. Do we need
[41:56] 15? I mean is there any reason
[41:59] >> 15's your
[42:01] >> 15 the salary?
[42:02] >> Yeah.
[42:03] >> 7200's your training.
[42:04] >> Yeah. But but I know you're saying that
[42:07] projecting that you're only thinking 13,
[42:09] but we want to project for if everybody
[42:12] attended every single meeting and what
[42:14] the rate is and that's what it come.
[42:16] Yeah. So
[42:17] >> yeah. So that's why I come up with that
[42:18] and I'
[42:19] >> I'd recommend staying with that, but
[42:21] >> it's your budget. [laughter]
[42:26] » Yeah. So
[42:27] >> I need a reason. So
[42:29] >> that's exactly what I'm doing.
[42:32] >> Yep. So [clears throat]
[42:36] » additional meeting too. You get paid per
[42:38] meeting council does. So that's
[42:43] >> I don't know how it works.
[42:47] Uh so that council train we need that
[42:50] much
[42:51] >> we could definitely reduce it
[42:54] >> hotels and traffic it's just all it's
[42:56] expensive
[42:58] >> what repeat
[42:59] >> the hotels itself
[43:02] >> if you go to like
[43:06] » one a year that's you travel and then
[43:08] there's
[43:09] >> so just this one that you guys went to
[43:11] this weekend or this last week for three
[43:13] nights it was 5.91 for just one person
[43:15] at a
[43:17] for three nights.
[43:17] >> Per Yeah, for three nights. So you
[43:19] consider how many people go times that
[43:22] plus the training material for
[43:26] >> I'm probably low on my estimate then
[43:31] » same.
[43:35] [laughter]
[43:38] » Thank you for your sacrifice.
[43:40] >> I'm sure you did that just to save
[43:41] everybody.
[43:42] >> Whatever I can do.
[43:45] >> [laughter]
[43:46] >> You did your part.
[43:54] » 25%.
[43:56] >> On the attorney.
[43:58] >> Um, so that we do have built into that
[44:03] if we have like any major lawsuits or
[44:06] anything that we have room to
[44:09] [clears throat]
[44:10] attorney. Um, our attorneys have kind of
[44:13] expressed that they are looking to up
[44:16] their bill. Um, how much is it now?
[44:19] >> 4,000.
[44:20] >> So, I talked to him. So, we have this
[44:22] set rate of 2500. That just kind of
[44:25] covers the normal.
[44:27] >> Are we talking a month or year
[44:29] >> a month? 25,000.
[44:32] >> 4,000. And part of that is because
[44:35] there's been a lot of additional calls
[44:38] and they're working on a lot of
[44:39] additional things besides just the
[44:41] normal. And I asked him if he had just a
[44:44] like a rate, but he didn't give me an
[44:46] hourly because I said, "Well, could we
[44:48] have something the 2500 covers this, but
[44:50] everything above and beyond that you're
[44:53] doing if we're calling asking for
[44:55] additional
[45:00] » that's pretty substantial.
[45:03] Except for it's less than what we've
[45:05] been paying in the past.
[45:10] » We preveraged about 40 about 4500.
[45:19] » I thought it was still the same legal
[45:21] service that we have had.
[45:23] >> It's the same one.
[45:24] >> Yeah.
[45:25] >> Darren.
[45:27] >> Matt.
[45:28] But he's going there's going to be
[45:30] another one joining Darren.
[45:38] But one thing we have found and I you
[45:40] know I was the one that asked him
[45:43] because there's been a lot of things
[45:44] we've needed him to do and when we call
[45:46] they they don't have time but but you're
[45:49] probably aware they have spent a lot of
[45:51] time investigating things doing things
[45:54] that have taken a lot of you know um
[45:57] like when he calls me and says oh I've
[45:59] had council member call and they accused
[46:02] me of doing something and then they
[46:03] spend several hours inst investigating
[46:06] all that is above and beyond of what
[46:09] normally and so then we're saying okay
[46:10] we need this or if Malcolm calls or
[46:13] something sometimes we pretty much
[46:16] >> so roughly do we have a rough hour mark
[46:20] so the attorney that I use for our
[46:23] business is $350 an hour and uh if they
[46:29] have somebody like Morgan
[46:33] do the
[46:35] It's about a third of that. But if it's
[46:38] >> if they have to do all the
[46:41] >> Yeah. If it's the lawyer and so
[46:45] it's 11.4 hours,000.
[46:51] » So I guess he's what two three hours a
[46:55] week?
[46:56] >> Well, yeah. Just coming to the meetings.
[46:58] He would he would be that much. And we
[47:00] have had quite a few ordinances. we've
[47:02] had him working on.
[47:04] >> We have some additional ordinances we
[47:06] need him to work on.
[47:08] >> That's two of us plus the planning
[47:09] commission meeting, right?
[47:14] » So there's
[47:15] >> it really isn't very many hours. And he didn't he didn't come to me and say I
[47:21] want to be paid more. I went to him and
[47:23] said because we've noticed every time
[47:25] well multiple times he'll say I'm
[47:27] [clears throat] not I'm not getting
[47:28] paid. there's not enough hours in the
[47:31] contract to do this, you know, ju just
[47:34] um for example, like we're now
[47:39] I don't mean to get off, but we we have
[47:41] no commercial codes per se here in
[47:43] Herbert
[47:44] >> and so so if we have a commercial
[47:47] development come those have to be
[47:49] somebody has to write those. Well, we
[47:51] won't be paying him to write them, but
[47:53] we still have to pay him to review
[47:54] those.
[47:55] >> Or if we have a development agreement
[47:58] that we with a developer and this just
[48:01] isn't commercial. This is even if we a
[48:03] residential, someone else writes that,
[48:06] but normally it's an attorney that we
[48:08] use that. Well, that wouldn't make
[48:09] sense.
[48:11] >> So, if we've already used up, you know,
[48:13] three or four hours just for him coming
[48:15] to a meeting. So, we've already used up
[48:17] 12 of our, you know, ner and you say we
[48:20] only get 11 hours, then we we've
[48:22] basically used up our hours before we
[48:24] even had doc.
[48:31] 2500
[48:33] months that be 22,500
[48:38] » and we also have 20,000 as attorney fees
[48:42] in our sewer.
[48:47] » Yeah, because you can't, you know, some
[48:50] of what he's doing is in sewer and so we
[48:53] have to
[48:56] >> unfortunately And that wouldn't come out
[48:59] of the one. It would only come out of
[49:01] the general fund and we have to charge
[49:06] the sewer for some or Yeah. For
[49:09] >> to keep the state happy, you have to
[49:10] split it basically.
[49:11] >> Yeah. Basically,
[49:13] >> I mean the other option is is we could
[49:15] start just
[49:17] charging the general fund some fees for
[49:19] all that. But that
[49:22] is not typically how you're
[49:24] >> in your opinion that way is the best way
[49:26] for us to do it at this point in time.
[49:28] >> I'm fine either way, but you got to come
[49:30] up if you're not doing it this way, then
[49:32] you have to come up with an allocation
[49:34] method of how you're charging an
[49:36] administrative fee to your general fund
[49:39] for those legal costs and then you have
[49:43] to substantiate that. So there's a lot
[49:46] more time, effort, and calculation
[49:49] involved, but I'm not opposed to it. I
[49:52] can do it, but we just have to come up
[49:54] with a reason.
[49:56] >> But we do have enough money in attorney
[49:58] fees. And when I asked Cammy about this
[50:01] before the meeting, we have already set
[50:03] aside. I mean, this isn't like we're
[50:05] bumping up our budget. It's just we'll
[50:07] be absorbing some of those attorney fees
[50:10] and some of these other categories.
[50:11] >> Okay. So, I've got some questions about
[50:13] that.
[50:14] So we have secured a water attorney. So
[50:18] would that come out of this fee?
[50:20] >> Okay.
[50:21] >> So
[50:22] this is any attorney we need for
[50:24] anything.
[50:25] >> Any attorney you need for anything? Yes.
[50:27] >> Very specifically, the sewer attorney
[50:29] fee is that the only other line item for
[50:30] attorney.
[50:31] >> Yes.
[50:32] >> So the sewer attorney fee is not the
[50:34] water attorney.
[50:35] >> No.
[50:36] And when we're talking to our attorney
[50:39] and saying, "We need your help on
[50:40] something." He's saying, "I don't have
[50:42] the hours." We're saying, "Well, we're
[50:44] paying you a completely separate item
[50:47] for sewer." So, if we're asking you
[50:49] sewer, you do have the hours.
[50:51] >> We right now what is happening is
[50:54] they're allocating [clears throat]
[50:55] a portion of the bill to sewer, saying
[50:59] that, you know, part of just functioning
[51:02] as a city, the sewer department needs to
[51:06] for a part of that. It the argument
[51:08] could be made for garbage and for um
[51:12] storm drain, but we haven't in the past.
[51:14] >> So, they may not necessarily be working
[51:16] on sewer stuff. They're just noting
[51:18] their feet to it.
[51:19] >> Yeah. Because there's kind of the
[51:20] overhead of even like you guys
[51:23] functioning, believe it or not, is part
[51:26] sewer because you you know,
[51:30] >> it's part of the budget.
[51:31] >> Yeah.
[51:31] >> So, that's kind of the argument. There
[51:34] are cities and I mean we can change how
[51:36] we've done things in the past and it's
[51:39] either way works like I said that you
[51:42] put everything into the general fund and
[51:44] then you say okay we're going to come up
[51:46] with a calculation [clears throat] state
[51:48] auditor says you just simply have to
[51:51] have substantiation for that
[51:52] calculation. How are you calculating it?
[51:55] What's your backbone behind it? Their
[51:57] city that put all their wages into their
[52:00] general fund and then allocate it out.
[52:02] We have a software that does it
[52:03] wonderfully. Why double do is my thought
[52:06] on that. So we let the software allocate
[52:09] the wages.
[52:10] >> So why are we specifically doing it for
[52:12] sewer but not garbage?
[52:14] >> Um I think the thought process was that
[52:17] garbage doesn't necessarily have a whole
[52:21] lot of legal problems. You know storm
[52:24] water possibly could, but it's really
[52:26] not covering itself anyways. We're going
[52:29] to have to subsidize that one probably
[52:31] down the road anyways.
[52:33] >> So, [clears throat] we have a lot of
[52:34] stuff with sewer.
[52:36] >> Not necessarily specific for sewer.
[52:39] [clears throat]
[52:40] >> Yeah. If we have a claim, a liability
[52:42] claim go through insurance
[52:46] cover it.
[52:50] » Yeah. I'm just trying to understand why
[52:52] we [clears throat] broke it out. Like,
[52:53] are we using it? Is it something what's
[52:56] the purpose of breaking it out to so we
[52:58] can really understand what we're
[52:59] spending?
[52:59] >> Yeah. And I I understand that.
[53:01] >> How many years in the past? So in the
[53:04] past it's just the sewer deportion from
[53:07] what I understand it's just been a
[53:09] portion of the overall legal bill
[53:12] because like I said [clears throat] you
[53:14] as an entity the attorney you know
[53:17] coming to council meeting
[53:20] >> is covering that you know
[53:23] part of you having that meeting and the
[53:25] attorney being here that needs to some
[53:29] of that should go to sewer. Should some
[53:31] of it go to storm water? Probably. But
[53:34] storm water doesn't have the money to
[53:36] pay for it, I'll be honest.
[53:38] >> So,
[53:39] >> would it would we feel more comfortable
[53:41] if we switch more? I don't know how much
[53:44] we have in our general attorney if we
[53:46] switch more into the general and had
[53:47] less in the sewer. The numbers are still
[53:50] going to be the same.
[53:52] >> Well,
[53:53] >> and the sewer doesn't have the money
[53:54] either. [laughter]
[53:59] explain why.
[54:03] » Yeah. Yeah. We don't typically I mean if
[54:06] we needed an agreement or something,
[54:07] we'd go to our city attorney. But if we
[54:09] have a liability claim like someone's
[54:11] house gets full of sewage and it's our
[54:13] fault, we're going to file a claim with
[54:15] the insurance company and they'll either
[54:17] just pay it or they'll say we're going
[54:18] to fight this and then they'll usually
[54:20] provide a lawyer up to a certain amount,
[54:23] >> which is the point of having dis
[54:25] [clears throat]
[54:27] Maybe it's fine.
[54:29] >> Okay. Well, and the thing is is if you
[54:31] did send it to general fund, then you're
[54:33] using property taxes to pay for it.
[54:36] Whereas if you're got it in sewer,
[54:38] you're able to absorb some of that with
[54:40] the cost of the what you're charging
[54:42] >> unless there's a reasonable reason to
[54:44] move it.
[54:46] >> I I honestly think it's a good route to
[54:48] go in my opinion, but it's not written.
[54:53] >> Yeah.
[54:53] >> So, is that more not muddy the So I
[54:57] understand is that more that it's an
[54:58] enterprise fund because like if there's
[55:01] other departments in the city that we
[55:03] don't allocate.
[55:05] >> It's because it's enterprise versus
[55:07] general. Yeah. Yep. You've got it.
[55:10] >> I'm teaching you accounting. See,
[55:12] [laughter]
[55:13] >> you're all going to be accountants by
[55:14] the time you're done with me, right?
[55:18] >> Poor guys.
[55:19] So
[55:20] >> can I ask question?
[55:22] >> Yes, please do. 1041560
[55:26] and this goes along with four other line
[55:29] items in our packet for
[55:33] grant or sorry impacts fee studies.
[55:36] We've got $100,000 tied up in this
[55:39] year's budget.
[55:40] >> Correct.
[55:41] >> Impact fee studies that we haven't spent
[55:43] a month on.
[55:44] >> They're hoping they'll be spent by the
[55:47] end of the year.
[55:48] >> Not for sure.
[55:50] We're hoping, but we can't be for sure.
[55:53] Yes.
[55:54] >> So, are we still planning on using all
[55:56] that money just for impact these
[55:57] studies?
[55:59] >> I specifically asked that and they don't
[56:01] have an exact amount until the study's
[56:03] done. And he said if they need to we can
[56:09] bill it however way but he said if you
[56:11] need us to wait and bill it in July
[56:13] which probably will be more like it'll
[56:15] be for next year then we can move that
[56:18] money into July.
[56:20] >> Can I piggyback that because it's kind
[56:21] of the same line I have a question here.
[56:24] If you're able to walk us through what
[56:25] the budget will look like if everything
[56:27] that's currently delayed committed or
[56:29] unpaid were hit before the year end.
[56:31] >> And that's what I've done.
[56:32] >> Okay. um as far as I can tell.
[56:36] >> Okay. So, with these impact fee studies,
[56:40] we budgeted for them for last year
[56:42] because first off, we can't even start
[56:44] them until the council said yes, we'll
[56:46] commit the money.
[56:48] >> But, and so I've left it that way. If
[56:52] they come to us and they say, you know,
[56:56] true, we're going to have to adopt the
[56:57] tenative budget, not knowing for sure,
[57:00] but July or first end of June, we
[57:04] probably will do an amended budget if we
[57:06] have to. And those are not going to go
[57:09] through. My intentions is that and you
[57:13] can tell me differently but is to
[57:16] basically take that 100,000 that each
[57:18] one of them should have been spent in
[57:20] impact [clears throat] fees and we'll
[57:22] have to add it as an expense item for
[57:24] this year's. But basically what I'm
[57:26] thinking is we'll just take that 100,000
[57:29] take it out of this year's budget say
[57:31] we're reserving part of fund balance for
[57:34] that
[57:35] and then put it in this year. So it's
[57:38] just a way of putting it
[57:40] there in a in a
[57:43] >> rolling.
[57:44] >> Yeah. Basically rolling it so that we're
[57:47] not using if we have to postpone it,
[57:49] we're not budgeting for it twice and
[57:52] putting money back into fund balance
[57:54] that we didn't spend and then
[57:57] having to come up with that funds again.
[57:59] We're we're agreeing that yeah, we
[58:01] budgeted for it. Yeah, they didn't bill
[58:03] us in time. Okay, we're just going to go
[58:06] ahead and move that over to next year.
[58:08] It adds to fund balance. Now it takes
[58:10] away from fund balance or equity is what
[58:14] >> temporary 1560 is for transportation.
[58:18] >> The next one was 1046.
[58:27] » Okay. So the impact fee study was the
[58:29] 1044 5060.
[58:34] Yeah,
[58:38] [clears throat]
[58:41] » the park's
[58:44] all
[58:46] the impact.
[58:49] >> So, there was
[58:50] >> So, what's the general
[58:54] » help me here?
[58:55] >> That's the only ones I know parts and it
[58:58] needs an update. We're not starting from
[58:59] scratch.
[59:01] >> The parts one, the zero different
[59:04] because the state law has changed and
[59:06] then streets will be completely new.
[59:09] >> Weren't we doing a storm water one as
[59:11] well?
[59:11] >> Yes.
[59:12] >> And we've never had a storm water
[59:14] either,
[59:15] >> but I don't Let's look here.
[59:18] >> I'm trying to remind her why we budgeted
[59:21] it that way. Yeah. No,
[59:24] >> very fair question, Ryan. Very fair
[59:27] question.
[59:29] >> Yeah, storm water. We had the 100,000.
[59:33] Is there parks in the parks as well?
[59:37] >> Yeah, there is one in parks.
[59:42] [cough]
[59:43] [clears throat]
[59:43] >> What was that for then?
[59:46] >> There was something. Was it part of a
[59:49] >> is it? It's not
[59:53] working with Tim.
[59:56] >> The what? It's it's the the grant that
[59:59] we received to do some commercial
[1:00:03] standards and to do some upgrades to the
[1:00:07] general plan.
[1:00:08] >> I bet you that's what it is.
[1:00:12] We received
[1:00:15] the grant to do that. It was
[1:00:19] >> shocked if we had all that money spent
[1:00:21] by the end of this.
[1:00:23] >> Yeah.
[1:00:26] » And like I said, I I kind of agree with
[1:00:29] you, but I don't want to budget for it
[1:00:31] twice,
[1:00:32] >> you know. Do you see my thought process
[1:00:34] there, Ryan?
[1:00:36] >> Yeah. I don't want to
[1:00:37] >> just kind of rolling a little bit.
[1:00:40] >> I was just concerned that there was
[1:00:43] General
[1:00:45] >> I that's got [clears throat] to be what
[1:00:47] that general is.
[1:00:50] >> So what did we call it? So I can give it
[1:00:51] a better description. We called it
[1:00:53] something else.
[1:00:54] >> So it was the
[1:00:56] commercial. It was a Wasatch Front
[1:00:58] Regional Council
[1:01:00] >> that we received and it was commercial
[1:01:03] standards and
[1:01:06] general plan and zoning updates.
[1:01:10] >> Okay. [snorts] So maybe If I just put
[1:01:15] because I want these descriptions to
[1:01:17] make more sense to us by all means.
[1:01:20] Yeah, transportation grant. I have that
[1:01:21] in the parentheses. So maybe if I just
[1:01:23] put that it's grant money. Is that
[1:01:25] better?
[1:01:26] >> Well, no. That transportation is a
[1:01:28] transportation. That's a separate one
[1:01:30] than the one that does the commercial
[1:01:32] standards
[1:01:34] >> because there is a transportation
[1:01:38] >> and there is the parks, there is the
[1:01:40] sewer, there is the storm drain and then
[1:01:43] there is the one to do the commercial
[1:01:46] standards. So is this the commercial
[1:01:48] standards because we've got the other
[1:01:50] one
[1:01:50] >> transportation that he had already
[1:01:53] in highways.
[1:01:55] >> It's in general highways I would think
[1:01:58] would be transportation
[1:01:59] >> and is there one listed in highways?
[1:02:02] >> There is one highway.
[1:02:03] >> So I think this is that grant because
[1:02:05] I've got a note here that it's a grant.
[1:02:07] >> Okay. And that probably is I even put I
[1:02:11] don't know WFR. I don't know what you
[1:02:13] want to call it.
[1:02:14] >> Standards update.
[1:02:15] >> Yeah. standards update would be a good
[1:02:17] one.
[1:02:18] >> Okay. So, maybe call it transportation.
[1:02:20] >> It's not even necessarily a
[1:02:22] transportation because it's commercial
[1:02:25] standards and it's just standards
[1:02:28] updates. Commercial
[1:02:30] general fund updates. I mean general
[1:02:33] plan, excuse me.
[1:02:36] >> So, that being said, show that
[1:02:39] >> there shows an expense.
[1:02:41] >> Yeah. Well, and it should
[1:02:45] for this year. We've got it budgeted for
[1:02:48] the current year, which it's probably
[1:02:51] part of that grant.
[1:02:56] » Um, okay. So, the grant. Okay. So, if
[1:02:59] you go back to tab two
[1:03:03] and go to line item 10337,000,
[1:03:12] top two and then
[1:03:18] » 7,000 right there. The grants local
[1:03:19] units is 10,000. We had to pay 10,000 of
[1:03:22] the 100
[1:03:23] >> 10300,000
[1:03:26] >> matching our matching.
[1:03:28] >> So it's on page four of your 34.
[1:03:32] >> Thank you. [laughter]
[1:03:34] >> Okay. Bring local units. Yes,
[1:03:37] >> that's
[1:03:38] >> because we paid 10, they give us 90.
[1:03:41] >> So, shouldn't be more
[1:03:50] » right here.
[1:03:52] We received that yet. I don't think
[1:03:53] we've received that yet.
[1:03:54] >> The one the Utah Recreation Grant I
[1:03:58] think was part of the parks. It wasn't part of theund,000 [cough]
[1:04:04] because that was WFRC.
[1:04:08] I'll go through,
[1:04:14] » but we haven't got one yet.
[1:04:18] » We haven't spent any of it yet.
[1:04:23] » So, we probably haven't got the funds
[1:04:25] for it yet.
[1:04:27] >> They are actually
[1:04:31] » Oh, they are.
[1:04:33] That's the Blakemore money. That's a
[1:04:35] different one. You're talking from 55
[1:04:37] from
[1:04:38] >> down by
[1:04:42] coming back this way.
[1:04:44] >> So I guess my point is if we have a
[1:04:46] grant for that one
[1:04:50] should offset. Correct.
[1:04:52] >> If that's the case, we just found
[1:04:54] ourselves $100,000.
[1:04:57] >> Well, but we no longer have this 172
[1:05:00] income.
[1:05:04] It says the Utah
[1:05:06] or is that just label?
[1:05:10] >> I think that was
[1:05:13] for the park impact.
[1:05:23] » I think that was the park and he said we
[1:05:25] could use that for the parks.
[1:05:28] Well, we right here I have 120 grant 7
[1:05:33] >> 789 for parks impact for the bleachers.
[1:05:38] That was different.
[1:06:10] Um cuz yeah, if we if this was a grant
[1:06:14] money
[1:06:18] » then we wouldn't have but that doesn't
[1:06:20] give us 100,000 this year.
[1:06:23] Cuz
[1:06:26] we won't have the revenue either.
[1:06:32] » Yeah. Yeah.
[1:06:34] >> Which
[1:06:37] >> Yeah. Which we'll have to figure out
[1:06:40] if we're getting that or when we're
[1:06:41] getting it.
[1:06:43] >> Do you know if we received it or is it
[1:06:45] something we got put in after
[1:06:48] >> outdoor recreation? You have to spend it
[1:06:50] first and then they give it to you back.
[1:06:56] So, I'll I'll highlight that and put a
[1:06:59] note here that we need to follow up on
[1:07:00] that and see where the money is.
[1:07:06] » Yep.
[1:07:07] >> If we haven't got it, we need to get it
[1:07:10] if we've spent it. So,
[1:07:15] » I don't think we have spent yet for
[1:07:18] sure. Not all
[1:07:22] » Yeah. I mean it's not showing as being
[1:07:24] spent but
[1:07:25] >> we approved in city council you have to
[1:07:27] do the and then you have to do the
[1:07:30] what's it
[1:07:32] [clears throat]
[1:07:35] » analysis
[1:07:36] >> yes the plan one of them is the plan the
[1:07:39] analysis and I know we approved that in
[1:07:41] city council
[1:07:42] >> and I know they've been working on it
[1:07:44] whether we have actually
[1:07:47] >> yeah I'm not sure that
[1:07:48] >> the one we've got through Tim
[1:07:52] and are just waiting to get going. I
[1:07:54] don't think we've been building anything
[1:07:56] on that.
[1:08:00] » Yeah.
[1:08:04] » Okay.
[1:08:05] >> So, back to what Jarvis
[1:08:10] of $100,000. You said it just needs an
[1:08:12] update.
[1:08:13] >> Yeah. And if it
[1:08:15] >> shouldn't cost that much.
[1:08:16] >> Hopefully not.
[1:08:17] >> Well, I think that's what we have the
[1:08:19] grant for was the parks. Yeah, I think
[1:08:22] it was the parks when we got
[1:08:23] >> So, I think we had
[1:08:26] maybe I
[1:08:28] remember g to
[1:08:31] seems like it.
[1:08:38] We We did our best guess because we
[1:08:40] still don't know numbers. Remember when
[1:08:43] we were doing budget, we kind of said,
[1:08:44] "What's our best guess?"
[1:08:48] >> So,
[1:08:50] [laughter] We may have guessed a little
[1:08:52] high.
[1:08:52] >> Yeah. And that that's very possible.
[1:08:56] >> Yes.
[1:09:00] » Okay.
[1:09:02] Um
[1:09:04] so let's go back up to where to here.
[1:09:09] Okay.
[1:09:12] So
[1:09:13] >> you were gone.
[1:09:16] sleeping dogs.
[1:09:18] >> Yeah. He was also just calling me to
[1:09:20] tell me that if we could use like city
[1:09:24] equipment or labor move
[1:09:46] » I did find this.
[1:09:47] sewer impact was last updated 2022
[1:09:51] transportation impact her currently
[1:09:53] doesn't that's that one study park
[1:09:56] received an $80,000 grant to help with
[1:09:58] this study it was last updated in 2023
[1:10:02] storm drain Herper currently does not
[1:10:04] have a storm drain impact fee
[1:10:06] >> 2023 years old
[1:10:09] >> no parks 2003 I'm sorry
[1:10:12] >> 2003
[1:10:15] Yes,
[1:10:15] >> we got 80,000 of it as a grant.
[1:10:17] >> Heer received an $80,000 grant with this
[1:10:20] study, [cough] which we've got 80,000 as
[1:10:23] part of the grant revenue.
[1:10:25] >> So that Yeah, good thinking though. I
[1:10:29] like how you're thinking. Um, yeah, we
[1:10:32] have not spent 6,450 as donations. I
[1:10:36] believe we left that there because there
[1:10:38] was I remember talking about that there
[1:10:41] was something that the council wanted to
[1:10:42] donate to. Was it the center the Rory
[1:10:46] Aquatics
[1:10:48] >> sometimes we do it's the children
[1:10:51] justice center they have done that
[1:10:54] before we always have the YCC that comes
[1:10:56] and ask I don't know that we have
[1:10:58] necessarily though approved I mean we
[1:11:01] haven't yet for next year but they do
[1:11:04] always come and ask for specific
[1:11:06] donations
[1:11:08] >> this year
[1:11:09] >> and we don't have a budgeted for next
[1:11:11] year
[1:11:16] Don't touch
[1:11:19] [laughter]
[1:11:27] it.
[1:11:33] » I think that is part of our
[1:11:38] >> inspection infrastructure.
[1:11:44] Don't know why we've never had it in the
[1:11:46] past. Why did we add that?
[1:11:50] >> Did it have to do anything with our
[1:11:52] storm water?
[1:11:54] I don't know.
[1:11:55] >> I almost feel like
[1:11:57] >> I would think so, too.
[1:11:58] >> I think you wanted to keep But that
[1:12:00] wouldn't have been in general fund.
[1:12:05] >> It would have been in highways or
[1:12:07] streets. We wouldn't put it in general.
[1:12:12] >> If nobody knows, let's take it out. Yep.
[1:12:18] » There's your 5,000. Keep going, Ryan.
[1:12:20] [laughter]
[1:12:21] >> That's half the cost to help our
[1:12:22] employees get better.
[1:12:23] >> It is.
[1:12:24] >> Yeah.
[1:12:28] Um, and I will say as part of the
[1:12:31] budget,
[1:12:31] >> the only thing I can think of, but I
[1:12:33] thought we included it in engineering
[1:12:36] general, was sometimes we hire special
[1:12:40] engineers or something to help us on
[1:12:42] infrastructure inspection like a asphalt
[1:12:45] testing.
[1:12:46] >> That's probably what it was.
[1:12:47] >> I would have thought that being
[1:12:49] engineering, that general engineering,
[1:12:51] but
[1:12:53] >> I don't think we I think I think you're
[1:12:55] right, but
[1:12:56] >> looks like we haven't coated anything to
[1:12:58] it.
[1:12:59] >> No. So, let's
[1:13:00] >> I'd scratch it.
[1:13:01] >> Scratch it. Clean it up. Okay,
[1:13:03] >> sounds good. [cough]
[1:13:05] [clears throat]
[1:13:06] Um, any other
[1:13:09] >> So, you got training up above, planning
[1:13:12] commission training, council training,
[1:13:15] and then down on 10-41-6530,
[1:13:19] you have training again. Okay, that's
[1:13:22] for your staff training for your
[1:13:24] administration staff. So like um
[1:13:30] >> and then I know how we explained the
[1:13:32] computer replacement from that one time,
[1:13:34] but we haven't we're budgeting three
[1:13:36] grand. We got a few months left in this
[1:13:38] fiscal year. Are we anticipating that
[1:13:40] we're going to replace computers yet?
[1:13:44] >> No, I think everybody's pretty well up
[1:13:46] to date.
[1:13:48] >> Maybe we don't.
[1:13:48] >> I think Monica's computer is the last
[1:13:50] one.
[1:13:51] But our IT guy saying that her computer
[1:13:54] is still qualifying with what is being
[1:13:58] used. I don't know the whole
[1:14:00] terminology, but her computer is the
[1:14:02] last one to update, but hers is still
[1:14:04] fine.
[1:14:06] >> I'm just wondering.
[1:14:09] I mean, I know that's only like two
[1:14:10] computers, but
[1:14:12] do we need that money sitting out that
[1:14:16] we just replaced them all a year ago
[1:14:17] with that 14 grand?
[1:14:22] You're talking
[1:14:28] » 41 50 85.
[1:14:30] >> Oh, right there. Okay. Yeah, we could
[1:14:33] decrease that.
[1:14:35] You want to decrease that?
[1:14:37] >> I mean, I think
[1:14:39] >> we're not using it. That's my thought.
[1:14:40] What do you guys think?
[1:14:47] » [clears throat]
[1:14:52] » Sounds good.
[1:14:55] >> How about the memberships? We've used
[1:14:57] twice as well, not twice as much, but
[1:15:01] almost double what
[1:15:07] » are those water memberships? Is that
[1:15:08] like
[1:15:10] >> we pay them? I don't know what else.
[1:15:16] that League of Cities thing. I mean that
[1:15:17] also gets us access to that city manager
[1:15:20] thing that we
[1:15:22] >> have used a lot, right?
[1:15:23] >> We have used a lot.
[1:15:25] >> We signed Malcolm up for a planner one
[1:15:29] planner association.
[1:15:36] So, we need to up
[1:15:46] » anybody have a problem with me doing
[1:15:47] that 15 then.
[1:15:50] >> What was it at?
[1:15:51] >> It was at 75.
[1:15:52] >> Yeah. So, essentially
[1:16:00] » 167 this year.
[1:16:01] >> There goes all the money.
[1:16:03] >> Yeah.
[1:16:05] >> Sorry.
[1:16:06] Um though
[1:16:09] membership we only gave him 500
[1:16:29] » somewhere because we have the rate we
[1:16:31] have the contract that we've signed.
[1:16:33] We're not sure where that
[1:16:36] where we pay that at because they say we
[1:16:38] are paying. They didn't say you're
[1:16:40] delinquent on your bill.
[1:16:42] asking.
[1:16:43] >> It's probably
[1:16:46] [laughter]
[1:16:51] from Wever County.
[1:16:52] >> So, we don't need to pay.
[1:16:58] » Yeah.
[1:17:01] [snorts] We have to have that money in
[1:17:02] there.
[1:17:04] >> We're paying it. We're just not sure.
[1:17:11] I'm just questions on the code
[1:17:14] enforcement and I know the guy comes out
[1:17:16] once in a while looks at stuff but they
[1:17:18] don't actually enforce it that we have
[1:17:21] to enforce it as a city and I don't know
[1:17:24] that we've ever in either of you two's
[1:17:26] memory actually pursued it and enforced
[1:17:28] it. Have we ever turned the dogs loose
[1:17:31] and said, you know, Patch's got to clean
[1:17:33] up your yard or
[1:17:35] >> the bus has got to be gone off of 5100
[1:17:37] over here or something like that?
[1:17:38] >> That's up to us and we need to and I
[1:17:41] actually have scheduled a time for
[1:17:44] Miss Allen to come out, but it would
[1:17:47] need to be earlier. It was on a Thursday
[1:17:49] earlier. What time? Because he's off
[1:17:51] work. Because I will tell you straight
[1:17:53] up, if we're just going to be a phone
[1:17:55] call and have somebody go look at it and
[1:17:57] say, "Well, that needs to be fixed." And
[1:17:59] we're not going to do anything about it.
[1:18:00] I'll happily go do that for free. You
[1:18:01] can call me and I'll say, "Yep, your gas
[1:18:03] is too dull, Kevin." And if we're not
[1:18:05] going to do anything about it, we can
[1:18:07] save $7,000 a year.
[1:18:08] >> I'll tell you an example today of a
[1:18:10] woman that came in. I'm not disclosed
[1:18:18] and it was very effective.
[1:18:21] deal with these people. He is out
[1:18:23] working with them. But you're exactly
[1:18:25] right. We need to then we need to do
[1:18:27] something. [clears throat] So he said we
[1:18:29] can send them the letter and say here's
[1:18:31] your first time. Here's and when we go
[1:18:33] through our fee schedule it's last year
[1:18:35] we said we wanted to raise our fee
[1:18:37] schedule. So it was so much every day.
[1:18:39] But then we have to be willing to send
[1:18:41] them to bill and collect it. And if we
[1:18:43] don't collect it then we need to be
[1:18:45] willing to take them to court and then
[1:18:47] put a lean on their property or
[1:18:50] That's kind of my point.
[1:18:55] [laughter]
[1:19:00] » And we need to we want to be nice and
[1:19:03] this woman today is a widow and needs
[1:19:06] help. I understand that. So, we'll go
[1:19:09] work with her. There needs to be,
[1:19:11] >> you know, I'm just My point is that
[1:19:12] we're not, you know, there's no sense
[1:19:14] teaching a dog to bite if we're not
[1:19:16] turning loose.
[1:19:18] >> And you can you like go through the
[1:19:20] proper means and you'd have to get with
[1:19:22] the attorney to see exactly how to do
[1:19:24] it. But you can hire like somebody to go
[1:19:27] mow weeds or whatever and then go back
[1:19:30] to the property and they'll sign up
[1:19:31] their property taxes.
[1:19:32] >> Yeah.
[1:19:33] >> Yada yada yada lean on the property down
[1:19:36] the road.
[1:19:37] >> I just don't know that we're going to
[1:19:38] pursue this kind of stuff.
[1:19:40] >> But we need to and this one we talked
[1:19:42] today there's a six months and then if
[1:19:44] things aren't done then it's called
[1:19:46] abatement. Then we the city pays for
[1:19:49] that and it goes under taxes.
[1:19:51] >> Okay. If we're going to do it, great.
[1:19:53] But I don't think we have done that.
[1:19:55] >> We have not and and we need to
[1:20:01] » Okay. So, we want to leave that then for
[1:20:03] >> another year.
[1:20:08] » Yeah. Um,
[1:20:10] anything with
[1:20:13] that?
[1:20:20] » What is the search?
[1:20:21] >> So, that was the 20 to the 39. That's
[1:20:24] sitting.
[1:20:25] >> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.
[1:20:26] >> Well, that's part of the 39.
[1:20:30] >> Part of the 39.
[1:20:31] >> Okay.
[1:20:32] >> Giving them the authorization to spend
[1:20:33] that 20 of that.
[1:20:43] Okay,
[1:20:46] >> any questions?
[1:20:56] » Oh, yeah. I moved it to the 20 because
[1:20:59] whatever we budget for the income, we
[1:21:01] need to budget the same for the expense.
[1:21:03] >> You say that will go back to 20.
[1:21:06] Yeah, we changed it back to 20,
[1:21:10] but I also changed the income number.
[1:21:21] [clears throat]
[1:21:22] And I did make sure that the tomato days
[1:21:25] tied out to the revenue from tomato
[1:21:27] days. So that does tie. I had 100,000 in
[1:21:31] there because that's just what we had.
[1:21:32] But that gave us 8,000 more. I found
[1:21:36] some
[1:21:37] >> 8,000. [laughter]
[1:21:40] » We can spend it though, I'm sure.
[1:21:44] >> Did we decide to budget in a way to give
[1:21:47] a substantial commitment to our
[1:21:50] employees? We had talked about
[1:21:51] >> Yes. Um I'll just real quick throw that
[1:21:54] out there as the summary. Um we had
[1:21:58] talked
[1:22:00] that
[1:22:01] from what I understood, we wanted to try
[1:22:03] and go this scenario.
[1:22:06] >> Um, and again, if there's a better way
[1:22:08] you guys want to do this, that's fine. I
[1:22:10] did calculate on average that gave each
[1:22:12] employee a$186 raise on average.
[1:22:18] Yeah, I just
[1:22:25] » Morgan and I have gone through and kind
[1:22:26] of looked at each employee
[1:22:30] because there's some employees do more
[1:22:33] than one job that you know specifically
[1:22:35] if we wanted to combine but after we
[1:22:39] realized how much we're going to
[1:22:40] increase with the sheriffs we thought we
[1:22:43] don't know that we want to throw out a
[1:22:45] huge
[1:22:46] increase and also say we need additional
[1:22:49] money.
[1:22:53] » I just want to record since it's
[1:22:54] recorded saying I hate that and it's not
[1:22:56] like against what you're saying. I'm
[1:22:58] just saying the fact that we are
[1:23:00] increasing
[1:23:02] towards paying the sheriff when we won't
[1:23:04] see we'll see the headcount like a point
[1:23:06] something percentage value to our
[1:23:09] citizens when our employees serve our
[1:23:11] citizens every day and they give a much
[1:23:14] more substantial impact to their
[1:23:15] dayto-day and what they do for us here
[1:23:17] and as we've talked about training them
[1:23:20] up and sending them to another city
[1:23:21] because we can't invest in them here. If
[1:23:23] we are offsetting what we can do for
[1:23:25] them because we have to to another
[1:23:28] department outside of our city who is
[1:23:30] not giving us the value kind of category
[1:23:33] object to that. I mean doesn't mean we
[1:23:35] have to do something about it. I just
[1:23:36] want to say
[1:23:37] >> out loud that I think that we should
[1:23:39] invest first and foremost in our people
[1:23:40] >> and we need to work on that.
[1:23:42] >> We got to find a way to make
[1:23:45] >> I don't feel like I could ever feel like
[1:23:47] I can look our employees in the face and
[1:23:48] say,
[1:23:49] >> "Hey, you do so much for our people, but
[1:23:52] this other department, they're just
[1:23:53] asking for more, so you need to do more
[1:23:55] of less."
[1:23:56] >> You know, I agree.
[1:23:58] >> Yeah, because we went through and I was
[1:24:00] really hoping we could even do more and
[1:24:02] you know not because Morgan is sitting
[1:24:04] here but we have Morgan that's not only
[1:24:07] a city recorder she's doing a lot of the
[1:24:09] administrative and we have Malcolm
[1:24:11] that's not only our you know planner
[1:24:13] he's also doing a lot of community and
[1:24:16] we have some employees that are
[1:24:17] significantly underpaid.
[1:24:21] On the same token, a lot of times within
[1:24:24] a budget, and this is just experience
[1:24:27] within budgets, you do not give
[1:24:29] employees increases unless you have new
[1:24:32] sources of revenue.
[1:24:34] >> The fact that we're trying to do more
[1:24:37] for the employees with same revenue says
[1:24:41] a lot for this council putting that
[1:24:44] first.
[1:24:45] >> Sure.
[1:24:45] >> And I think that, you know, should we
[1:24:47] talk about
[1:24:49] We have equipment, you know, we have
[1:24:51] supplies, blah blah blah, but our
[1:24:53] employees are the most important thing.
[1:24:55] >> Exactly.
[1:24:56] >> We have our tractor for the year. Big
[1:24:58] deal. So, we, you know, take care of our
[1:25:00] people.
[1:25:00] >> Well, it's an unrealized cost. It's just
[1:25:02] a reality of running a business. If you
[1:25:03] don't take care of your people and they
[1:25:05] leave, go somewhere else, we're going to
[1:25:06] have to pay for train all that knowledge
[1:25:08] we're going to lose.
[1:25:10] >> Yeah.
[1:25:12] >> Okay.
[1:25:12] So, yes, this budget is building
[1:25:16] with that.
[1:25:16] >> Yeah. We need more revenue.
[1:25:17] >> More revenue.
[1:25:23] Okay. Any other questions on general? I
[1:25:26] know we've kind of jumped around within
[1:25:28] that. So, I'm not going to go too deep
[1:25:31] with everything unless you want me to go
[1:25:34] section by section.
[1:25:36] >> Yeah, that's sec your tab number three.
[1:25:42] >> What page is that?
[1:25:43] >> Um, on this one,
[1:25:46] >> where are we at now? Page eight,
[1:25:49] >> eight,
[1:25:49] >> nine, around that range.
[1:25:53] >> Actually 10 if it's 10:45.
[1:25:55] >> Yeah,
[1:25:56] >> we have 10. Sorry. [laughter]
[1:25:59] >> 11.
[1:26:01] >> Page 11.
[1:26:04] [cough]
[1:26:07] » I have a question.
[1:26:10] >> Okay. Give me an account number because
[1:26:11] mine Sorry, I don't know.
[1:26:13] >> 41 66 10.
[1:26:15] >> Okay. 41 6610 utilities. Okay.
[1:26:23] So
[1:26:26] » current year 100,500
[1:26:43] >> I think we did.
[1:26:47] I'll double check my math on all that.
[1:26:49] Yeah,
[1:26:54] » and I know last year we talked about
[1:26:55] making sure that the employees are
[1:26:57] allocated to what department
[1:26:59] >> because if not we can't accurately see
[1:27:02] >> is the garbage garbage, you know,
[1:27:06] >> because it was kind of we need to be
[1:27:07] able to see a cemetery paying for
[1:27:09] itself. Well, if not, then what do we do
[1:27:12] >> to take care of a cemetery? Yeah.
[1:27:14] >> Which
[1:27:16] Jared and I went through all his guys.
[1:27:18] We went through all the staff and you
[1:27:21] know the intention is every year to kind
[1:27:23] of go through and you know they're the
[1:27:25] ones that would know best without having
[1:27:27] the guys record every 15 minutes of
[1:27:29] their time on what they're actually
[1:27:32] working on. So
[1:27:34] >> okay, next one.
[1:27:47] » Where are you at?
[1:27:48] >> 1044. What?
[1:27:50] >> 1044.
[1:27:55] » Um because that got moved. We moved that
[1:27:58] up to be part of the public safety. So
[1:28:01] if you go to 10426545
[1:28:05] that is now moved up there with the
[1:28:07] public safety because we felt like
[1:28:09] crossing guards belong more public
[1:28:11] safety.
[1:28:13] >> So So we moved it then
[1:28:16] >> it was just history. We're just keeping
[1:28:18] history there. There's nothing budgeted
[1:28:21] for this year.
[1:28:23] So we spent
[1:28:26] 23,000 there,000
[1:28:44] » we did gain a new one last year
[1:28:47] >> with the new elementary school.
[1:28:50] So we for three areas. We have
[1:28:55] [clears throat] 4700,
[1:28:57] we have the one on 5,500, and we have
[1:29:01] 5100.
[1:29:03] >> I'm guessing that we've only been build
[1:29:05] for part of it, and we're waiting for
[1:29:07] the bill. So, really, my current year
[1:29:08] estimates probably wrong
[1:29:10] >> is what I'm thinking.
[1:29:11] >> Sometimes we don't get
[1:29:13] >> last year, we spent 459 and we're adding
[1:29:17] one more this year.
[1:29:18] >> No, no, it's the same amount.
[1:29:26] Yeah. So, I just changed that current
[1:29:27] year then.
[1:29:29] >> I think we probably not got all the bill
[1:29:32] for that.
[1:29:34] >> We might not get till the end of the
[1:29:36] year.
[1:29:38] >> So, it'll come out of the fiscal year.
[1:29:40] So, it'll be like half of the year next
[1:29:42] year.
[1:29:42] >> Um,
[1:29:44] >> well, it'll all go last year
[1:29:46] >> and then this year.
[1:29:48] >> We need to budget.
[1:29:48] >> 20 second timeout. on that school
[1:29:51] crossing card.
[1:29:52] >> Yes.
[1:29:54] >> Okay.
[1:29:56] >> Yeah.
[1:29:58] But I anticipate that they'll bill
[1:30:00] us like again right at the end of the
[1:30:04] school year, which would be
[1:30:08] >> a quarter
[1:30:09] >> quarterly.
[1:30:11] Then if we should have had three
[1:30:13] quarters build to us already.
[1:30:14] >> Yeah. I'm guessing we've only had two.
[1:30:17] >> I think the last might statute
[1:30:20] limitations by house.
[1:30:22] [laughter]
[1:30:23] >> I wish
[1:30:25] >> we have things like
[1:30:28] >> some stuff. Yeah.
[1:30:30] >> Yeah. Some things are filled, you know,
[1:30:33] just sporadically different times
[1:30:35] >> and if they're for the previous like
[1:30:37] even if we get the bill in July but it's
[1:30:40] for the previous year, we still move it
[1:30:42] back to that year. Um, it depends on the
[1:30:46] date on the invoice though that we have
[1:30:49] to watch that. So,
[1:30:51] >> just curious.
[1:30:51] >> We do approve back.
[1:30:52] >> Yeah. You know, the quick math just
[1:30:55] >> Yep. And and it gets confusing when
[1:30:57] you're doing these. Trust me. [laughter]
[1:31:00] >> I usually have the general ledger open
[1:31:02] going down.
[1:31:04] >> We have this up here. We don't know if
[1:31:06] there's going to be an increase.
[1:31:10] >> There usually could be for our crossing
[1:31:13] guards, you know. they could get that
[1:31:14] and the same with the animal shelter. So
[1:31:16] that's
[1:31:17] >> nobody's given us anything.
[1:31:18] >> Yeah, we don't know yet.
[1:31:19] >> We're guessing 5%. Hoping
[1:31:23] >> keep
[1:31:25] [clears throat]
[1:31:26] >> if animal control goes up that then
[1:31:28] Larry's gonna cover or not Larry. Yeah,
[1:31:31] Ray's going to cover the rest.
[1:31:34] [laughter]
[1:31:34] >> I might as well.
[1:31:36] >> You might as well, dude.
[1:31:38] >> No, she means financial. Oh,
[1:31:40] >> no. No, I mean in his time. He's just
[1:31:42] going to go do it.
[1:31:44] >> I [laughter] can actually do that. I
[1:31:45] only have to keep one uncounted for cow
[1:31:46] and they cover us for the whole year.
[1:31:48] >> Yeah. At the price of cows right now.
[1:31:51] [laughter]
[1:31:53] >> She had a friend today by the way. Oh,
[1:31:54] okay.
[1:31:55] >> You know, while we're there though, some
[1:31:56] of these services though, we really
[1:31:58] maybe could look at sometime doing. I
[1:32:00] mean, we when we get to garbage, you
[1:32:02] know, because we've talked about that. I
[1:32:04] mean, maybe that really is like having a
[1:32:06] dump or a green waste. You know, talked
[1:32:08] about that. But even like this, maybe
[1:32:10] there are
[1:32:11] services we could
[1:32:14] >> I'm definitely looking into that. Trust
[1:32:15] me.
[1:32:16] >> Yeah, maybe we could do like Oakley and
[1:32:18] create our own sewage treatment plan.
[1:32:20] They did it cost 2 million.
[1:32:22] >> 2 million
[1:32:24] >> 20 years ago.
[1:32:25] >> That was 20 years ago [laughter]
[1:32:29] now.
[1:32:34] » And then we got 247 coverage.
[1:32:39] » Mountain Green just redo there.
[1:32:42] >> Not paying anybody to manage to turn in
[1:32:44] their own secondary water.
[1:32:49] » Okay. Where we at?
[1:32:50] >> Okay. Back on track. [laughter]
[1:32:54] Uh recreation community events.
[1:32:58] >> So, let's see where I'm page.
[1:33:01] >> Oh.
[1:33:03] >> Um
[1:33:07] page eight.
[1:33:08] >> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry guys. [laughter]
[1:33:12] I'm going off the computer. So it drives
[1:33:14] me.
[1:33:18] Um so we've got 132500.
[1:33:22] Um
[1:33:25] that's a reduction from last year but we
[1:33:27] didn't also have that grant. Um I am
[1:33:31] keeping track with tomato days if we
[1:33:34] have excess that people like donated.
[1:33:37] Say we make like instead of 92 in
[1:33:40] revenue, we make a 100,000. We'll keep
[1:33:43] track and we'll say, "Okay, now we've
[1:33:45] got 8,000 sitting there that we didn't
[1:33:48] spend this year, but we can maybe spend
[1:33:51] that the following year." So, I'm going
[1:33:52] to start keeping track of that. So, that
[1:33:55] hopefully the idea is tomato days, it's
[1:33:58] it is paying for itself, but also for
[1:34:00] like your donation people that are
[1:34:03] donating, you know, they they're
[1:34:05] donating for tomato days. They're not
[1:34:07] donating for
[1:34:09] road.
[1:34:10] >> Yeah. Some other thing. So, the thought
[1:34:12] process being keeping that in the right
[1:34:15] place where it should be and I've got
[1:34:17] several years back that I've just
[1:34:19] already got the accounting for. So, I'm
[1:34:21] going to true that up and create an
[1:34:24] individual talking to that figures they
[1:34:26] can probably get a substantial amount of
[1:34:29] donations towards tomato for us.
[1:34:32] >> Hasn't been realized yet, but we're
[1:34:34] looking at it.
[1:34:35] >> Okay.
[1:34:39] » [laughter]
[1:34:42] » Okay.
[1:34:44] >> Um, highways, we did try to um keep that
[1:34:50] pretty much where we were at. There's
[1:34:52] not that impact fee study expense there.
[1:34:57] Um, and then classy roads. Let's talk
[1:35:00] about that for a second because there's
[1:35:03] some stuff with that. Um, I was trying
[1:35:05] to keep the guys at about the same
[1:35:07] amount as what they had in the past
[1:35:10] year. Um, in the past we have had
[1:35:15] funds that are classy roads money that
[1:35:17] have not been spent and we spent some of
[1:35:20] those, but the reality is is that we
[1:35:23] need about 1.5 1.6ish sixish to even
[1:35:28] maintain with the road projects that
[1:35:30] we're at, which I think any of us would
[1:35:33] agree we at least need to do what we did
[1:35:35] last year again this year hopefully. Um,
[1:35:39] if you disagree, by all means, please
[1:35:41] tell me that to change a number. But as
[1:35:44] I look at that, we're only getting about
[1:35:47] 600
[1:35:49] of that in class C roads every year. So
[1:35:53] that means that the general fund is
[1:35:55] going to have to, you know, in order to
[1:35:57] maintain those road projects, we're
[1:36:00] going to have to pitch in about a
[1:36:02] million worth of that.
[1:36:04] >> But you said we have 1.5 in the fun
[1:36:07] balance.
[1:36:09] >> Um, yeah. And I I would propose that we
[1:36:12] spend some of that, [clears throat]
[1:36:14] but we don't want to spend it all at
[1:36:16] once. We want to keep, you know, just
[1:36:19] chomping away at it a little bit at a
[1:36:21] time. How much?
[1:36:24] >> Well, if you wanted to, we could spend
[1:36:26] the whole thing and count all of it as
[1:36:28] there and then we'll just have to use
[1:36:30] general fund funds here on out
[1:36:34] recommendation.
[1:36:35] >> I wouldn't chump all the all of it out.
[1:36:38] >> Would you chunk? I would maybe say
[1:36:44] at the most 600
[1:36:49] » and that's what I've built in
[1:36:52] is for us to spend about
[1:36:54] >> hopefully we can get that transportation
[1:36:56] impact start generating some income to
[1:37:00] offset and get through till then there
[1:37:03] are a few of those list that would be
[1:37:06] catastrophic things that could cost us a
[1:37:08] million bucks to
[1:37:10] I would hate to spend this down
[1:37:12] >> too far. Too far.
[1:37:15] >> So, what do you do on small things like
[1:37:18] >> snow removal where we didn't use it? Um,
[1:37:20] did we, you know, stockpile salt? Did
[1:37:23] we, you know, are we going to need it
[1:37:24] next year?
[1:37:25] >> Basically goes back into fund balance or
[1:37:28] your equity. Fund balance is our fancy
[1:37:30] word in government accounting for
[1:37:32] equity.
[1:37:32] >> And I know it's a smaller amount, but
[1:37:34] like potholes, like we've only used
[1:37:35] 2500, but we budgeted. We're estimating
[1:37:38] 16.
[1:37:39] >> Is there like a project in place you
[1:37:41] think we're going to use that?
[1:37:42] >> The idea is that yes, we may categorize
[1:37:45] [clears throat]
[1:37:46] these out into different line items,
[1:37:49] >> but our guys know best what they need to
[1:37:51] do and what's best to spend money on.
[1:37:53] And so they may say, "Okay, you've
[1:37:56] budgeted me 2065 here, but I can finish
[1:38:00] x amount more road with an overlay and
[1:38:04] spend that money better on an overlay
[1:38:06] than a crack seal." Well, you know what?
[1:38:08] As long as down here they don't go over,
[1:38:11] they they can rob Peter to pay Paul.
[1:38:14] >> Is that also partially seasonal? Because
[1:38:16] right now it's just getting warm enough
[1:38:17] to even do some of that. And so it's
[1:38:19] like towards the end of the budget, the
[1:38:20] fiscal year, but it's also the And so
[1:38:23] we'll probably start some of those
[1:38:24] projects.
[1:38:25] >> Yeah, exactly. And that's
[1:38:27] >> two reasons on the potholes.
[1:38:29] [clears throat]
[1:38:30] The rugs that were bad that would have
[1:38:31] generated a lot of pothole expense got
[1:38:34] maintenance last year and so we didn't
[1:38:36] have them and the winter was so mild.
[1:38:39] Freeze thaw is our biggest enemy that
[1:38:41] causes potholes and we had a really mild
[1:38:44] winter.
[1:38:46] And you can't really let asphalt be
[1:38:48] fillless,
[1:38:51] right?
[1:38:56] » So I mean I and it's your budget. It's
[1:38:59] not me, but I kind of feel like you know
[1:39:03] what they did with the money that they
[1:39:05] had last year was an eye openener for
[1:39:09] everybody to say, "Oh, we got that much
[1:39:12] done with that much money. Our guys did
[1:39:14] the best they could as far as spending
[1:39:17] it, but it's going to take that much for
[1:39:19] many years to even get us into a good
[1:39:21] spot.
[1:39:22] >> Do you see why? [clears throat]
[1:39:25] >> And every time a developer builds a new
[1:39:27] place and then they, you know, give that
[1:39:29] money or that road to the city, well,
[1:39:31] guess what? Now we get to maintain it.
[1:39:33] And it unfortunately
[1:39:36] it doesn't qualify for impact fees at
[1:39:38] that point. So, you know,
[1:39:41] >> Yeah. I should say new subdivision.
[1:39:46] Do you drive up there? I I drive it at
[1:39:49] least twice a week. There's cracks that
[1:39:51] whole way from the time I turn off
[1:39:53] Freedom Elementary. Go up through there
[1:39:56] to my son's house. It's horrible roads.
[1:40:00] You know that
[1:40:05] » freedom that was one of the first ones
[1:40:07] probably
[1:40:14] » I mean hopefully maintenance you know we
[1:40:16] keep them where they need a total
[1:40:18] rebuild
[1:40:22] [clears throat]
[1:40:25] » and we've got we hired a employee that
[1:40:29] is excellent roads and knows what he's
[1:40:32] doing with roads as well as Jared. And
[1:40:34] between the two of them, they're a mean
[1:40:36] team. [laughter]
[1:40:38] >> If you feel like that stretches you, I
[1:40:41] wouldn't want to go down to nothing. But
[1:40:44] we could trim that a little bit and not
[1:40:46] do as big a project. Just any
[1:40:49] maintenance we do is dollars spent that
[1:40:52] are going to save us in the next 5 to 10
[1:40:55] years because we're maintaining the
[1:40:57] asphalt soon. So, the
[1:41:00] in the future.
[1:41:01] >> So, what are you anticipating doing in
[1:41:04] the next little couple months?
[1:41:06] >> In the next couple of months, we're
[1:41:08] actually just soon as I get some time,
[1:41:10] we've been super busy. I'm going to
[1:41:11] re-evaluate everything. We've got some
[1:41:14] money left from last year that we'll
[1:41:17] spend in track, seal, and slurry. And
[1:41:20] then in July, you know, this next money,
[1:41:23] we'll do another full project like we
[1:41:25] did last year. So, so you're saying it'd
[1:41:28] be great to have all this to do it, but
[1:41:31] if we absolutely get to the end of this
[1:41:33] budget today or whatever and we need a
[1:41:35] whole bunch more money here, we're able
[1:41:38] to take a little
[1:41:40] >> some of this money,
[1:41:44] » but we wouldn't be taking
[1:41:47] it
[1:41:49] from
[1:41:50] >> We could still do a substantial project
[1:41:52] and not do 1.5 million if we did a
[1:41:56] million, we'd still be able to do enough
[1:41:59] work that the city sees we're working on
[1:42:02] problem
[1:42:05] here.
[1:42:06] >> Yeah.
[1:42:07] >> Okay. Well, thank you.
[1:42:09] >> And I mean, keep in mind though that,
[1:42:11] you know, if you're thinking trimming
[1:42:14] someplace to
[1:42:17] pay for like the police service, it's
[1:42:20] going up again next year and you're
[1:42:22] going to have to keep that trimming.
[1:42:24] >> So, is it better to bite off and this is
[1:42:26] your decision. Is it better to bite off
[1:42:28] the bullet and do the truth in taxation
[1:42:31] when you incur the expense or do you
[1:42:34] want to cut some of those other services
[1:42:36] and they will continue to be cut years
[1:42:39] forward?
[1:42:40] I'm thinking in taxation this year,
[1:42:44] >> but if it's a matter of uh and we
[1:42:47] already brought this up, taking some of
[1:42:50] the general fund to pay our employees,
[1:42:52] if that's what we have to do, I would
[1:42:54] rather do that. But yeah, as far as I
[1:42:58] realize we're going to have to do a
[1:43:00] truth in taxation,
[1:43:03] one thing on the road, and it really is
[1:43:05] you spend it now, you spend it later.
[1:43:08] Trimming that kicks the camp down the
[1:43:10] road. Um, for sure. I mean, the roads
[1:43:13] aren't going to get better just because
[1:43:14] we don't spend it. Um, hopefully if we
[1:43:18] get that impact fee study coming and get
[1:43:21] some more income for the roads, then we
[1:43:23] won't have to subsidize it with general
[1:43:25] fund money and can move forward at the
[1:43:28] pace we are.
[1:43:29] >> But keep in mind though also impact fees
[1:43:32] have to increase capacity to be spent.
[1:43:35] It's not just repairs and maintenance.
[1:43:37] it's increased capacity.
[1:43:39] >> Okay?
[1:43:40] >> So, keep that in mind that you know you
[1:43:42] have to be careful what you spend those
[1:43:44] impact fees. Just because we get more
[1:43:46] impact fees doesn't mean we just get to
[1:43:48] spend it willy-nilly. We have to
[1:43:50] increase capacity. But does that mean
[1:43:52] that we are spending less of the general
[1:43:54] fund money to increase capacity? Yes.
[1:43:57] So, does that kind of make sense? The
[1:44:00] circle
[1:44:01] >> thought process. Okay.
[1:44:02] >> You just keep the circle going and
[1:44:05] legal. [laughter]
[1:44:06] I'm not legal. I'm accountable. This is
[1:44:08] going to sound like we're patting
[1:44:10] ourselves on the back and we are a
[1:44:11] little bit. But I I just want you to
[1:44:13] understand like last year our asphalt
[1:44:16] maintenance contract went out at $1.1
[1:44:19] million. The $300,000 we still have left
[1:44:23] to spend is because of good management
[1:44:25] and managing that contractor and keeping
[1:44:28] our cost within the contract lower.
[1:44:32] So it does help to have the people that
[1:44:34] know what they're doing managing those
[1:44:36] big projects and then we can stretch our
[1:44:38] dollars further.
[1:44:39] >> So
[1:44:42] and if we would have just said here you
[1:44:44] go contractor you were a little bit go
[1:44:46] do it. We'd have paid 1.1 million. So
[1:44:54] » I'll bring the donuts.
[1:44:56] [laughter]
[1:44:56] >> Well that that you know that's a good
[1:44:59] thing. That's why we have good people
[1:45:01] and want to pay them well is that we can
[1:45:05] use our expertise to save money like
[1:45:07] that.
[1:45:11] » Okay.
[1:45:14] » So that's highways. We've talked about
[1:45:17] parks. Anything in parks?
[1:45:25] » Arena.
[1:45:29] You just keep digging up that $100,000.
[1:45:31] [laughter]
[1:45:33] So
[1:45:35] parts and I talked to Jared about this
[1:45:39] with this drought.
[1:45:41] Jared I heard conflicting reports.
[1:45:45] Somebody's said that we won't use any
[1:45:48] fertilizer. Then I know you told me
[1:45:50] probably half of it.
[1:45:51] >> Yeah. There there's a the debate is you
[1:45:54] don't want to put the fertilizer unless
[1:45:55] it takes more water. So somewhere in the
[1:45:58] middle of n a full dose is keeping it
[1:46:01] healthy enough that it can take the
[1:46:03] drought. And so we've talked about some
[1:46:05] different but we definitely won't put on
[1:46:07] a full dose of fertilizer.
[1:46:12] So we change that number then half
[1:46:25] » we have the parks and then the cemetery.
[1:46:27] Yeah
[1:46:38] » 300
[1:46:41] So when we cut both of those in
[1:46:45] the price
[1:46:50] we cut that in half
[1:47:05] [laughter]
[1:47:08] from Idaho don't
[1:47:11] I got cows that mow the grass and
[1:47:13] fertilize at the same time just
[1:47:15] talking about the fertilizer under parts
[1:47:18] and under cemeteries.
[1:47:30] » So maybe go down to 1,800. Does that
[1:47:34] sound about right? or the other maybe
[1:47:38] 2200
[1:47:40] >> on the 4,000
[1:47:43] cemetery maybe 1700 or something that
[1:47:46] actually makes sense
[1:47:54] on
[1:47:58] » what is a pickle ball sprinkler
[1:48:00] >> about 750
[1:48:07] Are we still
[1:48:09] maybe looking instead of grass?
[1:48:13] >> We haven't priced anything.
[1:48:15] >> You want me to?
[1:48:17] >> I'm just curious.
[1:48:18] >> How many square feet we need, but we'll
[1:48:19] find out.
[1:48:20] >> We We looked at some pretty extensively
[1:48:22] on a sewer station on the one that we're
[1:48:25] thinking about for Smiths and cost was
[1:48:29] about six is by the time you turn in
[1:48:30] water, pay the water bill, just
[1:48:33] longevity of it. They told us plan on
[1:48:35] replacing in about 10 years. Maybe
[1:48:39] >> maybe they've got better
[1:48:40] >> because I guarantee the school district
[1:48:42] is not putting in all these fields for
[1:48:44] soccer and football and everything else
[1:48:46] and finding a replacement in 10 years.
[1:48:48] They're they're more durable. And how
[1:48:50] many people are going to be walking on
[1:48:52] the grass by the pickle ball courts? You
[1:48:54] know what I'm saying? Now, the
[1:48:55] elementary school up the top 4,800,
[1:48:57] theirs gets beat up because there 4,000
[1:48:59] kids out there running around every day
[1:49:01] on the artificial turf. It's kind of
[1:49:04] like the soccer fields indoor. They get
[1:49:06] pounded, but they got people playing on
[1:49:09] 18 hours a day. Ain't going to be nobody
[1:49:11] walking hardly on grass court. So, I
[1:49:15] would bet you if we get any kind of
[1:49:16] durable grass that it'll last 20 years
[1:49:18] unless it breaks down from sunshine. I
[1:49:21] will find out. I will find out.
[1:49:24] That would be good to know because we
[1:49:26] want to have it so people can use it. We
[1:49:28] don't want it to be,
[1:49:30] >> you know, please don't walk on this
[1:49:32] because you're going to wear it out.
[1:49:34] >> Yeah. I guess the other thing we want to
[1:49:36] look at or I would suggest looking at is
[1:49:39] the long-term plan
[1:49:41] >> of what we want around there. If we put
[1:49:43] something there and then in say we get
[1:49:45] one last 20 years, but in five years we
[1:49:47] say, "Okay, it's time to build the other
[1:49:49] brick wall courts and go tear it out."
[1:49:52] We wasted money. Well, but with
[1:49:54] artificial turf, if you tear it out, you
[1:49:55] can put it somewhere else.
[1:49:58] >> I think
[1:49:59] >> it wouldn't hurt to look into
[1:50:03] >> the next question is local option
[1:50:06] 10,000.
[1:50:10] » We we need to do some of that. There's
[1:50:12] some of those got some big tracks. I
[1:50:14] think we'll have those in our spring.
[1:50:19] » I know there are some that need it
[1:50:20] pretty bad. Do you think you'll burn 10
[1:50:22] grand?
[1:50:24] >> Okay.
[1:50:26] Keep the motorcycles off.
[1:50:28] >> So, I know we went down some with the
[1:50:31] park. [cough and clears throat]
[1:50:32] Do you think those parties are going to
[1:50:34] be enough?
[1:50:38] » We've kind of got caught up on cleaning
[1:50:40] everything up.
[1:50:42] >> So, that stuff over there to haul, but
[1:50:44] you know, you've now got separated out
[1:50:46] into piles.
[1:50:47] >> Yeah. It don't take much cuz when we
[1:50:49] start hauling like 10 wheeler lo the
[1:50:51] moldings I mean you're $300 to $500 a
[1:50:54] load. So
[1:50:55] >> So what is it? Is it rubbish or is it
[1:50:59] okay? It's not grass and dirt.
[1:51:03] I got enough people that want
[1:51:08] » to put
[1:51:12] the rubbish
[1:51:13] couches people.
[1:51:16] >> I didn't know we could do that.
[1:51:18] [laughter]
[1:51:20] » Sweet.
[1:51:22] >> Where do we put our couches? [laughter]
[1:51:29] » Tires, too. Everyone thought it was
[1:51:31] going to burn his tires.
[1:51:32] >> The little kids are pissed off.
[1:51:43] Okay.
[1:51:46] » Equipment used,700
[1:51:49] last year
[1:51:51] to date. This year we got budgeted
[1:51:53] 5,000.
[1:51:54] >> I think we wiped that out when we did
[1:51:56] the track
[1:51:58] took from each department that uses that
[1:52:01] on that mini. I think that'll wipe that
[1:52:03] out this year.
[1:52:15] be the tractor,
[1:52:18] but we just haven't done that yet. We
[1:52:20] just barely got them this week.
[1:52:24] >> Usually comes at the end. That's what's
[1:52:26] hard. Some of these don't come till the
[1:52:29] end. Yeah.
[1:52:30] >> What happened to the good old days when
[1:52:32] you just had the local farmer do it?
[1:52:33] Huh? [laughter]
[1:52:35] or just those boys in the arena. They
[1:52:37] drag the rake, you know, they run
[1:52:38] around.
[1:52:40] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[1:52:43] » Okay. Community development inspections.
[1:52:50] Actually, cut that down a little bit.
[1:52:53] >> Your constituents might call you about
[1:52:55] how fancy we got the same price.
[1:53:00] We don't
[1:53:05] Okay. Cemetery. We're at 146200.
[1:53:10] Um,
[1:53:15] » sorry.
[1:53:18] >> 10:47.
[1:53:23] » Yeah. Well, we've been postponing it,
[1:53:26] but evidently they're pretty bad. I
[1:53:28] guess somebody decided to shingle only
[1:53:31] half the building. Last time they
[1:53:32] shingled it.
[1:53:34] city building. It was shingled on one
[1:53:37] side.
[1:53:44] » What about back up just a little
[1:53:47] contract services 1046550?
[1:53:50] We still got 51,000
[1:54:02] » for building inspector.
[1:54:03] >> It's contract services.
[1:54:05] >> That's your building inspectors.
[1:54:08] >> But are we planning on
[1:54:11] having 51,000 still in?
[1:54:13] >> Depends how many people want to build.
[1:54:16] >> Huh?
[1:54:16] >> Depends on how many people want to
[1:54:18] build.
[1:54:19] probably.
[1:54:21] >> Yeah. That's why my estimate was only
[1:54:23] 5,500 because, you know, usually spring
[1:54:26] you get people building again.
[1:54:28] >> You're not looking the same because this
[1:54:30] one's a 50. This one's 90,000.
[1:54:33] >> That was what was budgeted.
[1:54:37] » But yeah, I only budgeted.
[1:54:39] >> I'm just going back to this.
[1:54:40] >> Okay. Yeah. Sorry.
[1:54:42] Seems seemed like didn't we anticipate
[1:54:45] some commercial coming in last year and
[1:54:48] we up that
[1:54:51] but then it didn't happen. So,
[1:54:52] >> but it really wasn't that much higher
[1:54:54] than the previous year either. The
[1:54:56] previous year actual
[1:54:58] >> the same problem at the start of this I
[1:55:00] was looking through the packet and a lot
[1:55:02] of the things aren't the same.
[1:55:04] >> No. Yeah, I know they aren't. I'm just
[1:55:07] >> correlate.
[1:55:09] >> Yeah. Sorry. You got 50 things to look
[1:55:11] at. No, it's okay. [laughter] Realizing
[1:55:13] that this is the true source of truth,
[1:55:14] right?
[1:55:14] >> Yeah.
[1:55:15] >> Well, and the March I tried to take what
[1:55:19] she sent you for the March financials
[1:55:20] [clears throat]
[1:55:21] and put them right here.
[1:55:22] >> Okay.
[1:55:23] >> To try and make it easier.
[1:55:25] >> So, that's what I've done. Sorry, when I
[1:55:27] hit that all the way up to the top
[1:55:29] again.
[1:55:30] >> So, we were saying we're going to pretty
[1:55:32] much put a roof on that building this
[1:55:33] year.
[1:55:34] >> That's what the plan is
[1:55:37] >> in the next three months.
[1:55:38] >> Well, that's why It was postponed to
[1:55:42] this next year.
[1:55:43] >> Okay.
[1:55:44] >> We're saying we're probably not going to
[1:55:45] get it done, so let's put it over there.
[1:55:49] >> Jared didn't think he had the manpower
[1:55:51] to do it.
[1:55:53] >> But you could do it with your arm.
[1:55:55] >> I could actually
[1:55:58] [laughter] broke my arm. 16 penny nails.
[1:56:02] >> I don't doubt it. [laughter]
[1:56:04] >> I don't think you can.
[1:56:05] >> No. Prove me wrong.
[1:56:08] Did you walk all that sewer line?
[1:56:10] [laughter]
[1:56:12] >> All cemetery expenses, but like truck
[1:56:14] maintenance and trailer maintenance and
[1:56:16] all that
[1:56:18] about 1070.
[1:56:23] » What do you want to put in there?
[1:56:24] >> Like
[1:56:28] that coming up a lot lately.
[1:56:34] » So we might have to tear off.
[1:56:36] >> Yeah. I'm sure
[1:56:40] that
[1:56:42] >> we're going to break things out more.
[1:56:47] » I think so. We're all just dying
[1:56:49] together.
[1:56:49] >> So, is this where we talk about the
[1:56:52] fees? [laughter]
[1:56:54] » We can do it when we go through the
[1:56:55] feast schedule.
[1:56:57] >> We were going to do it during feast
[1:56:58] schedule.
[1:57:00] [clears throat]
[1:57:00] >> Like, I want
[1:57:01] >> He's excited.
[1:57:04] You don't want to miss it.
[1:57:05] >> Just give me some of these.
[1:57:07] >> Thank you.
[1:57:08] >> Um, okay. So,
[1:57:11] >> we've typically transferred some things
[1:57:15] over to some money over to the capital
[1:57:17] projects fund.
[1:57:19] >> I'm sorry. What was that?
[1:57:22] >> You're fine. Um, so we've typically
[1:57:24] transferred funds over from the general
[1:57:27] fund to the capital projects fund. If
[1:57:29] you remember from the training, the
[1:57:30] capital projects fund is kind of for the
[1:57:32] big items.
[1:57:34] >> So I think it only makes sense that at
[1:57:37] this moment we go over to the capital
[1:57:39] projects funds, see what we need as far
[1:57:41] as funds there and then we may need to
[1:57:44] adjust that number a little bit. As of
[1:57:46] right now, I see Ryan's I Will's
[1:57:48] attorney.
[1:57:49] >> Can you stay on that page? Just
[1:57:52] >> Yeah. Last year we moved over $935,000,
[1:57:58] right?
[1:58:00] >> This year we're projecting to move over
[1:58:05] >> and then this next year.
[1:58:08] >> Yeah.
[1:58:09] instead of doing TNT
[1:58:14] that money contract
[1:58:17] >> could but let's go through the capital
[1:58:19] projects because that's where the
[1:58:22] capital projects gets the money.
[1:58:24] >> So can I ask a question since we're
[1:58:26] going into that?
[1:58:26] >> Uhhuh.
[1:58:28] One of my biggest kind of outstanding
[1:58:29] questions is on these capital projects
[1:58:31] because we have a lot of them and this I
[1:58:34] know we have wish lists and all that
[1:58:35] stuff, but I'm just wondering like
[1:58:38] is it possible for us to go okay here's
[1:58:40] our top five and we're committed to
[1:58:41] getting these done by this period of
[1:58:42] time and the rest of these we're going
[1:58:44] to
[1:58:45] >> you know we're just sending money you
[1:58:47] know what I mean
[1:58:47] >> and we want to do these are nice to have
[1:58:50] type thing. Okay. So, under tab
[1:58:56] 10
[1:58:58] is the capital projects long-term
[1:59:01] project plan. And correct me if this is
[1:59:04] not what you're thinking, but this is a
[1:59:07] five-year plan
[1:59:10] um for our capital projects. And the
[1:59:13] thought process being that we want to
[1:59:17] kind of say, okay, what expenses are we
[1:59:20] looking for the next five years and plan
[1:59:22] that out for the next five years. Um, so
[1:59:26] basically, what's your wish list and
[1:59:28] let's plan for it for the next five
[1:59:30] years instead of getting it all at once.
[1:59:33] Um the bleachers on those we have,
[1:59:37] you'll notice in the notes area, we have
[1:59:41] 120 for grant. Um and then we were also
[1:59:44] going to use impact fees for that. So we
[1:59:47] don't really have to come up with extra
[1:59:48] funds for that because we've got the
[1:59:50] grant.
[1:59:51] >> What was the TNT checklist supposed to
[1:59:53] be?
[1:59:54] >> The TNT is correct checklist. Oh,
[1:59:57] >> see how on your line item
[2:00:00] >> Thank you. That was that one that I need
[2:00:03] to fix on everything.
[2:00:10] » Where can I find that easily? Sorry.
[2:00:13] >> Oh, that makes me so mad that it did it,
[2:00:15] you guys. I was like, are you kidding
[2:00:18] me? [laughter]
[2:00:21] Okay, let's
[2:00:24] parking lot.
[2:00:25] >> Oh, yep. You got it. Pickle ball parking
[2:00:27] lot.
[2:00:27] >> Good job, Larry.
[2:00:29] >> Larry's on it.
[2:00:40] Can you change your
[2:00:43] [laughter]
[2:00:51] tomorrow.
[2:00:55] [laughter]
[2:01:00] » Okay. So, um we have budgeted for a
[2:01:04] diamond sea gooseeneck tilt trailer for
[2:01:08] 27,000.
[2:01:11] Uh the bleachers we talked about,
[2:01:14] >> the ADA funding, [clears throat]
[2:01:18] um baseball lights.
[2:01:21] >> ADA. That's the sidewalk, right?
[2:01:23] >> Yeah.
[2:01:24] >> In the park.
[2:01:25] >> Yep.
[2:01:27] I guess I should maybe say ADA sidewalk.
[2:01:34] Um
[2:01:37] then the baseball lights.
[2:01:41] Um looks like we got 26,000 to offset
[2:01:46] that. So it's kind of half.
[2:01:49] Um pickle ball sprinklers.
[2:01:53] We've got that
[2:01:55] offset.
[2:01:58] » So is this current year projects?
[2:02:03] Are we have we completed these?
[2:02:05] >> Have we started any of the
[2:02:07] >> current year projects? Um Jared, have we
[2:02:10] got the zeroturn mower?
[2:02:12] >> Not yet. They're
[2:02:13] >> okay. But
[2:02:15] >> okay.
[2:02:16] >> I'm just wondering like and when
[2:02:17] [clears throat] we say current year
[2:02:18] fiscal year, so we got three months to
[2:02:20] do all of this
[2:02:21] >> reality. Will we have all this done in
[2:02:23] three months?
[2:02:24] >> Jared, [laughter]
[2:02:25] >> is easy. I mean
[2:02:28] >> power upgrade. Hasn't that been done? I
[2:02:30] thought that was completed. Yeah, I
[2:02:33] thought so.
[2:02:34] >> The bleachers,
[2:02:35] >> we got that postponed.
[2:02:40] » Yeah, they're ordered, but the company
[2:02:42] that makes them was out like 14 months.
[2:02:45] So, we won't do that until next year.
[2:02:48] >> So, that's why it's grayed out there.
[2:02:50] >> Okay. So, that's move to next year.
[2:02:51] >> Yeah, we moved it to the next year.
[2:02:53] >> And the same with the pickle ball
[2:02:54] sprinkler.
[2:02:56] We haven't done because of the drought
[2:02:58] mainly. Um the pickle ball parking lot
[2:03:01] is they're going to seal it tomorrow and
[2:03:04] it's basically done other than the
[2:03:05] landscape and the street lights.
[2:03:07] >> And is it that is it going to come in at
[2:03:09] that cost?
[2:03:09] >> No,
[2:03:10] >> it's going to be less.
[2:03:19] I'm just kidding. [laughter]
[2:03:21] >> Dang it.
[2:03:22] >> I was told that it was approved toward
[2:03:24] the contract. [laughter]
[2:03:28] pick up parking is like 101, wasn't it?
[2:03:33] >> I could go get my contract.
[2:03:35] >> I'd be interested knowing if it's coming
[2:03:37] in at 40,000 above
[2:03:39] what we have budgeted. That's important
[2:03:41] to know.
[2:03:43] and see how much we had because the
[2:03:45] grant pretty much paid for the parking
[2:03:48] lot.
[2:03:49] >> All right.
[2:03:51] >> But so the pickle ball sprinklers is
[2:03:53] that anticipating putting in grass
[2:03:56] because then we put in the turf.
[2:03:58] >> We don't have to put sprinklers,
[2:04:00] >> but [clears throat] we got a grant for
[2:04:01] those. So I don't know if the grant will
[2:04:04] flow over to We'd have to look.
[2:04:08] >> But I don't know. Sherry, you you tell
[2:04:11] me is the 15,000 included in the did we
[2:04:15] do it as one project with them with
[2:04:19] a whole
[2:04:20] >> if we did it with one project and if we
[2:04:22] ended up doing something because of
[2:04:24] we're doing something more waterwise
[2:04:27] they would still be all right with that.
[2:04:28] It's all within the same
[2:04:30] >> is it? Okay.
[2:04:33] >> Because I know
[2:04:35] >> public works.
[2:04:40] » Fencing and gates. That's our yard where
[2:04:42] we store stuff.
[2:04:44] >> Yeah.
[2:04:47] » Not in years, right?
[2:04:55] with
[2:04:58] » it's in 26.
[2:04:59] >> It was 59718 that we received.
[2:05:09] Oh, so in addition to the 64
[2:05:14] » I don't know what the came in at. Like I
[2:05:16] said
[2:05:19] was ours.
[2:05:22] >> Okay, we'll get with I'll get with you
[2:05:24] when we do the amendment so we can get
[2:05:26] that closer.
[2:05:27] >> It's done. And just we need the water.
[2:05:34] » Okay.
[2:05:35] >> So now we're the fencing and the gates
[2:05:38] for the yard. That'll be done. That'll
[2:05:39] be on. No, he doesn't. We don't have to
[2:05:41] move it.
[2:05:41] >> We don't have to move it. You think it's
[2:05:42] going to be done?
[2:05:43] >> So, that that could be a green.
[2:05:44] >> Okay. I misunderstood that. Okay.
[2:05:46] >> And then the the sprinklers are done.
[2:05:47] They're just need the water to put in
[2:05:49] them in the cemetery down there further.
[2:05:52] >> Yeah.
[2:05:53] >> So, that's great. So, it looks like most
[2:05:55] of our capital projects are on pace or
[2:05:57] done for this year.
[2:05:58] >> So, now we're deciding on
[2:06:00] >> next.
[2:06:04] Good job.
[2:06:07] Don't leave them hanging. [laughter]
[2:06:12] » And so we have grants for uh the
[2:06:15] bleachers
[2:06:17] >> and any other grants for any of those
[2:06:20] items.
[2:06:21] >> The ADA sidewalk funding the
[2:06:22] >> baseball.
[2:06:27] What was the And then the lights
[2:06:29] >> baseball lights
[2:06:31] >> are are those two amounts the grant
[2:06:34] amount
[2:06:35] >> and then there's the pickle ball
[2:06:36] sprinklers that were whipping back.
[2:06:38] That's a grant also.
[2:06:41] >> Yes.
[2:06:42] >> And
[2:06:45] the additions
[2:06:50] » that's not a
[2:06:52] truck bed.
[2:06:54] >> That's not a
[2:06:57] for the irrigation line for the cemetery
[2:06:59] is not a grant either.
[2:07:01] >> Yeah.
[2:07:01] >> So if we have this budgeted and we have
[2:07:04] the money allocated but then we get a
[2:07:05] grant, do we save that money and we just
[2:07:07] move it over? Is that the thought? Yeah,
[2:07:09] it goes into fund balance and the state
[2:07:13] say that you know we so we can spend
[2:07:16] fund balance but keep in mind that fund
[2:07:19] balance if you spend it you kind of want
[2:07:22] to spend it on a one time thing not
[2:07:24] something that's going to keep billing
[2:07:25] every year. So
[2:07:26] >> so are we able to get a picture of fund
[2:07:28] balance uh to date or anything is that
[2:07:30] somewhere
[2:07:32] >> so in your
[2:07:33] >> just so happens
[2:07:35] >> general fund. Yeah. In fact, here, let
[2:07:37] me just pull this up because it's I just
[2:07:40] want to show you in your packets that
[2:07:44] it's there.
[2:07:45] >> Um,
[2:07:47] >> okay. So, it's not going to be in those
[2:07:49] packets. It's in the one that um I
[2:07:52] provide on a monthly basis.
[2:07:54] >> So, let me figure out how to share this
[2:07:56] real quick.
[2:07:58] >> Different screen. Morgan, you might have
[2:08:00] to
[2:08:03] >> Oh, right here.
[2:08:05] So, I'm going to share this other screen
[2:08:08] right there. Okay. So, monthly you get
[2:08:10] your financial statements and of course
[2:08:12] you're familiar with all the little
[2:08:14] stories I give you. Try and give you
[2:08:17] just a quick glance if you glance at it.
[2:08:20] And then my legal claimer that I think
[2:08:22] is put in there. Then you have all the
[2:08:25] financials. And then right here, Um, okay. So, I track what I
[2:08:37] estimate what the um balance is going to
[2:08:41] be on your fund balance at the end of
[2:08:42] the year. [clears throat]
[2:08:43] State law requires us to stay within 15
[2:08:46] to 35%
[2:08:48] of unrestricted. Right now, we're at 19%
[2:08:50] [clears throat]
[2:08:51] within the general fund.
[2:08:53] >> Okay.
[2:08:53] >> Um
[2:08:54] >> so that's on 19% surplus.
[2:08:56] >> Yeah.
[2:08:56] >> From what our capital projects budgeting
[2:08:58] is.
[2:08:59] >> Well, but then you've got capital
[2:09:00] projects which is a little bit
[2:09:01] different. [clears throat and cough]
[2:09:02] Um, just real quick, you'll see the
[2:09:04] restricted funds all kind of listed out
[2:09:07] here,
[2:09:09] but
[2:09:11] >> let's Sorry. [laughter]
[2:09:14] But as far as the general fund, it's
[2:09:18] right here.
[2:09:23] [cough and clears throat]
[2:09:24] We have um 4.8,
[2:09:28] But $150 of that is restricted for your
[2:09:32] impact fees. So you have about a $4
[2:09:36] million fund balance in capital
[2:09:38] projects. Yes, you could use that money.
[2:09:42] Nothing's saying you can't, but keep in
[2:09:45] mind that, you know,
[2:09:46] >> so we could use that to pay for the
[2:09:48] sheriff instead of raising tax.
[2:09:51] >> Yeah. But eventually it'll run out.
[2:09:52] Eventually you'll have to find
[2:09:54] additional funding source to pay for
[2:09:56] ship.
[2:09:56] >> Sure. Like I said, this is it's better
[2:09:58] to spend this money, the fund balance.
[2:10:01] Anytime you spend fund balance, it is
[2:10:03] better to spend it on one time things
[2:10:06] >> instead of a continuing month every year
[2:10:09] that you're going to have to absorb. But
[2:10:11] that is your decision.
[2:10:13] >> Larry, what type of one time fee would
[2:10:14] you accept to be sheriff?
[2:10:18] >> Well, you'll
[2:10:21] [laughter]
[2:10:23] give you two bullets.
[2:10:29] » [laughter]
[2:10:31] >> I think it should be more
[2:10:35] contract 100,000 drop those numbers
[2:10:39] right
[2:10:41] should be half million
[2:10:45] >> we're getting hit with something I fill
[2:10:46] this in with what I hear you saying what
[2:10:48] I think I think about that is if we have
[2:10:51] a major I mean we I feel like we should
[2:10:53] be able to find 100,000
[2:10:55] somehow whether it's a onetime fee we
[2:10:58] can spend some I don't know I just feel
[2:11:00] like
[2:11:02] to do a truth in taxation for all the
[2:11:04] headaches it's going to cause the big
[2:11:06] thing people are going to see mentally
[2:11:08] >> for 100
[2:11:09] >> no I mean there's just so much
[2:11:12] disruption to that even though it's a
[2:11:13] reality of the world we live in I just
[2:11:16] feel like like you said it's such a
[2:11:18] small thing to go through that headache
[2:11:19] especially we might never have to go
[2:11:21] through it again
[2:11:22] >> and maybe next year when it goes up
[2:11:23] again we do for the last two years for
[2:11:27] 250,000 or more whatever it is.
[2:11:29] >> So my thought that too is um moneywise
[2:11:34] it's not going up that much percentwise
[2:11:36] it is shocking.
[2:11:38] >> So even to get us $100,000 we have to go
[2:11:42] up 48%.
[2:11:43] >> So to tell our residents but our
[2:11:46] residents won't they won't take that
[2:11:49] percentage
[2:11:51] >> the tax
[2:11:53] notice is going to say
[2:11:55] They have the percent.
[2:11:58] >> You have to. So, so that's my concern.
[2:12:01] If we don't do it this year and next
[2:12:03] year we do it to catch up, we are at
[2:12:05] 100%.
[2:12:07] Which told me last year when they did
[2:12:09] theirs it was 100%. But they also were
[2:12:12] only paying that same kind of lapse 100.
[2:12:16] So I was thinking even 48% sounded
[2:12:19] shocking. But if we tell our residents
[2:12:22] that's going to be 48, I sometime I feel
[2:12:25] like we're going to have to do one. I
[2:12:28] would sooner have it be for less than
[2:12:30] next year have it be twice as much. But
[2:12:32] >> so how much does the TNT checklist cost
[2:12:35] us?
[2:12:37] >> So is that a real dollar?
[2:12:39] >> Well, I mean pretty much the county has
[2:12:43] to put it in the notice. Like the bare
[2:12:47] minimum would just basically be putting
[2:12:50] it county notice and then that you've
[2:12:53] already got Morgan spending a lot of the
[2:12:55] time. A lot of the work is her and then
[2:12:58] Sherry does a lot of it. I very
[2:13:00] [clears throat] minimal honestly.
[2:13:02] >> So my time is very minimal.
[2:13:05] >> Sher and Ray may have to help me because
[2:13:09] they kind of got me
[2:13:11] they made it sound like a truth in
[2:13:14] taxation
[2:13:15] every year was a great thing and the
[2:13:20] residents really aren't paying anymore
[2:13:23] because the percentages
[2:13:25] >> go from 15% to 82%
[2:13:29] if you keep doing it. Do you know how
[2:13:32] that works? And I don't know if you can
[2:13:34] explain it because I think
[2:13:35] >> I I hear what Ryan is saying, but from
[2:13:38] what I listen to this lady down there,
[2:13:42] >> uh I feel different than you guys. I
[2:13:44] think we need to do it and then the
[2:13:47] percentages go down. residence even
[2:13:50] though the rate goes up and I don't get
[2:13:53] it but
[2:13:54] >> so how it works is you have to set new
[2:13:58] growth aside okay so you take new growth
[2:14:00] put it in its own bucket okay but if you
[2:14:03] just look at your property taxes and
[2:14:06] I'll just use simple figures because
[2:14:07] that's how my brain works
[2:14:09] >> that's what they do for us though
[2:14:10] >> is it okay and maybe they explained it
[2:14:13] better than I do I don't know this is
[2:14:14] how I've always explained it seems to
[2:14:16] work but um anyway Anyways, when you
[2:14:20] take say you collected or you assessed a
[2:14:25] h 100,000 this year, okay, but you're
[2:14:28] not going to collect that 100,000.
[2:14:31] You're going to have people that you
[2:14:33] know file for abatement, various things,
[2:14:35] okay? So, you're not going to get that
[2:14:37] 100,000. And when you ask for the tax
[2:14:41] rate, you ask for x amount of money.
[2:14:44] Okay? You say, [clears throat] "I need a
[2:14:46] h 100,000 to operate this city." You
[2:14:48] don't say, "I need this percentage." You
[2:14:50] say, "I need a h 100,000." Okay? But
[2:14:52] you're not going to get that full
[2:14:54] 100,000. You might collect 95,000. Okay?
[2:14:58] Well, what they do is if you do not do
[2:15:01] truth and taxation,
[2:15:03] the next year they say, "You survived
[2:15:05] off of 95,000. Guess what? We're going
[2:15:08] to set your rate at 95,000." So, you
[2:15:11] collect 95,000. Again, you're not going
[2:15:14] to collect that 95,000.
[2:15:15] >> So, it goes down every year.
[2:15:16] >> So, every year it goes down if you do
[2:15:19] not do truth and taxation. If you do
[2:15:22] truth and taxation just to maintain,
[2:15:26] if you want to just maintain your
[2:15:28] number, not increase, you actually have
[2:15:31] to do truth and taxation to maintain.
[2:15:34] Now, you've got your new growth. That's
[2:15:36] a whole another, you know, category. But
[2:15:39] your new growth, the tax revenue from
[2:15:41] that should pay for the treats that
[2:15:43] you've got to fix for them or the
[2:15:45] services you've got to fix for them
[2:15:47] because you just increased your growth.
[2:15:50] So the thought process being is, you
[2:15:52] know, even if we go to the county and we
[2:15:55] say we were doing truth and taxation, we
[2:15:58] are not going to go to them and say we
[2:16:00] need a 48% increase, we're going to go
[2:16:02] to them and say we need $428,000
[2:16:06] of property taxes.
[2:16:08] They will tell us what the rate is. They
[2:16:11] will tell us what we get. They don't
[2:16:13] tell us what percentage. So to even
[2:16:16] maintain, you have to keep doing truth
[2:16:20] and taxation every year. So
[2:16:23] >> nobody does that.
[2:16:24] >> No. Well, there's a few
[2:16:25] >> quite a few.
[2:16:26] >> There's actually a few and more are
[2:16:28] catching on because they're realizing
[2:16:32] >> this is what you have to do.
[2:16:33] >> So as far as expenses, right, because I
[2:16:36] thought of this too. So, we had this
[2:16:37] Carrie Nakamur that was down there that
[2:16:39] did this really good presentation
[2:16:42] that I contacted her because after we've
[2:16:45] been down there, we said, "What would
[2:16:46] she charge us to come and do?" Because
[2:16:48] she suggested a town hall. We talked
[2:16:50] about that before. She would charge
[2:16:52] $1,000 to come and do a town hall. We
[2:16:56] advertise it really well. Not that
[2:16:58] everybody's going to come, but have
[2:16:59] people come. So, there would be that
[2:17:01] expense. It could be a little bit, maybe
[2:17:03] a couple hundred more.
[2:17:06] specifically to it some city numbers
[2:17:08] which we probably would. The other thing
[2:17:10] would be then we print off flyers and
[2:17:13] the county will mail those out for us.
[2:17:16] And the other things we have to do we
[2:17:17] have to update our website. Um but but
[2:17:20] most of like the rest of it really
[2:17:22] aren't hard costs.
[2:17:25] So
[2:17:26] >> So who's this lady?
[2:17:28] >> Her name is Carrie Nakamura and she
[2:17:30] >> she has a consulting firm. She has a
[2:17:32] consulting firm and she was one that
[2:17:34] actually worked with the tax company
[2:17:38] >> and she explains stuff that if we
[2:17:40] explain it to our residents they will
[2:17:41] think we're full of crap.
[2:17:42] >> How many do you think will actually show
[2:17:44] up or something like that
[2:17:45] >> if they know that they're going to have
[2:17:47] a tax increase?
[2:17:49] >> I guarantee
[2:17:51] >> you're going to have this building pool.
[2:17:53] I almost guarant.
[2:17:57] But that's better than none. And like we
[2:17:59] talked about if it's us trying to
[2:18:01] explain it to them.
[2:18:02] >> They're not. And even said, if it's even
[2:18:04] her explaining it, but maybe if it's
[2:18:06] this neutral person who worked with the
[2:18:09] tax
[2:18:11] was with the state auditor with the tax
[2:18:13] commission.
[2:18:14] >> I don't I don't know.
[2:18:15] >> I feel strongly enough and I don't know
[2:18:17] if he'll agree with me or not, but I
[2:18:20] think Larry and I would split the cost
[2:18:22] of having a to have her here because we
[2:18:25] need her here to explain this stuff.
[2:18:28] >> We do.
[2:18:29] >> Yeah. I think it's helpful to have an
[2:18:31] expert, but I also think that people
[2:18:32] want to hear from the people they
[2:18:35] >> like I mean hearing it from a third
[2:18:36] party is nice to hear a third party, but
[2:18:38] also
[2:18:39] >> if I'm if I'm a citizen, I'm going to
[2:18:41] look at my representative in the face
[2:18:43] and say, "Why are you increasing my
[2:18:44] taxes? Why do you think that it's
[2:18:46] important to do it?" And as a citizen
[2:18:49] though, if you look at me and you say
[2:18:51] it's because of police services and if
[2:18:53] you're struggling with that, might I
[2:18:54] recommend you go talk to the Weieber
[2:18:56] County Sheriff. Guess what? I'm over at
[2:18:58] the Weaver County Sheriff talking
[2:19:01] why we have to raise the taxes.
[2:19:05] >> I can't explain the way that this lady
[2:19:09] showed how the county
[2:19:12] does their accounting because uh
[2:19:16] >> uh it was jumping uh all these numbers
[2:19:19] was jumping around and she was showing
[2:19:21] that really the taxes don't go up. Uh
[2:19:24] >> well, it's like if the property value of
[2:19:26] your property goes up, people are always
[2:19:28] griping because my property value went
[2:19:29] up, so I'm paying more taxes. But you
[2:19:31] don't because the actual tax rate goes
[2:19:34] down. So if you're paying $1,000 a year
[2:19:36] in taxes and your your principal goes
[2:19:39] up, so you're paying $1,100, then your
[2:19:41] tax rate goes down. And she when she
[2:19:44] started she said you're going to argue
[2:19:45] with me about this but this is a
[2:19:49] vice versa. I think our tax rates went
[2:19:52] down the [cough]
[2:19:54] but our house is now worth a million
[2:19:55] dollars instead of 500,000. So our
[2:20:00] explaining I just thought
[2:20:02] >> it was amazing.
[2:20:03] >> I I could never
[2:20:06] maybe Cammy could but I could
[2:20:08] >> well even
[2:20:09] >> but I wish I would have been there.
[2:20:11] >> Yeah, we can do that. I think that's a
[2:20:13] good point. Explain that.
[2:20:14] >> So we currently collect Sorry. Go ahead.
[2:20:17] >> Go ahead.
[2:20:17] >> We currently collect almost $300,000 in
[2:20:20] property taxes, right?
[2:20:22] >> If we add $100,000 to that $400,000,
[2:20:26] that's only an additional $32 a year per
[2:20:36] 30 bucks is nothing, right? Yeah.
[2:20:39] >> So,
[2:20:40] >> well, I will tell you one of the things
[2:20:41] that we did with when we were down with
[2:20:43] stuff in League of Cities and we got it
[2:20:45] shut down in the legislature. The
[2:20:47] legislature was trying to limit the
[2:20:49] amount we could increase property taxes
[2:20:51] down to 5%.
[2:20:53] >> No way.
[2:20:54] >> It would do us no good.
[2:20:56] >> Well, that's here's an interesting table
[2:20:59] I'm sharing now.
[2:21:02] Here's the year. Here's our rates.
[2:21:04] Here's our revenue uh population and
[2:21:07] cost per person
[2:21:10] >> from back to 2003.
[2:21:14] >> Yeah.
[2:21:14] So, our cost per person is not
[2:21:17] >> that's one thing that worries me if and
[2:21:19] they said it will come back next year
[2:21:21] >> whether they get it to limit to five and
[2:21:23] I thought if we don't somewhat get a
[2:21:26] little bit caught up and they start
[2:21:28] limiting it to five
[2:21:30] >> and people are paying more
[2:21:34] in trouble. That's not even 10 months a
[2:21:35] year.
[2:21:38] >> It's because we're starting so lowact.
[2:21:40] You start talking percentages like for
[2:21:44] this much.
[2:21:45] >> Yeah.
[2:21:46] >> Great.
[2:21:48] >> That's exactly that's just the same
[2:21:50] thing. I thought the ones that are
[2:21:52] already caught up, they're fine. But and
[2:21:53] one thing that we're required to do this
[2:21:55] year because they passed a lot of
[2:21:56] transparency laws is we have to have
[2:21:58] this um statement that we have on there
[2:22:01] that's a schedule that actually will
[2:22:04] city, you know, the truth and taxation.
[2:22:07] It's $100,000
[2:22:09] for shared. I mean, it has to be so
[2:22:12] specific, so transparent. I thought so,
[2:22:15] too.
[2:22:15] >> Yeah.
[2:22:16] >> And they and they, you know, we have
[2:22:18] that they send us all the slides that we
[2:22:20] have. So, no, back to the question. I
[2:22:23] think our main cost would be that and I
[2:22:25] think it would be a good idea to to have
[2:22:27] her come give those generals and then we can print our own flyer,
[2:22:32] send them to the county and they'll mail
[2:22:33] them out with their notice. They told us
[2:22:36] they should fire.
[2:22:39] >> Yes.
[2:22:40] >> I I just feel really strong that we got
[2:22:42] to have her come because I walked out of
[2:22:44] there after listening to her going,
[2:22:45] "Holy crap, residents do not understand
[2:22:48] this." because I didn't have any idea
[2:22:50] how that's how it worked until she
[2:22:52] explained
[2:22:53] >> most people don't know
[2:22:56] there somebody comes and explains it to
[2:22:59] you like oh yeah okay that makes sense
[2:23:02] >> and that's the thing I found you know
[2:23:04] back no front page news I used to work
[2:23:07] with Kisville and people just don't
[2:23:10] understand once they understand a light
[2:23:12] bulb goes off and they go oh
[2:23:14] >> well she actually said you guys are
[2:23:16] probably going to argue with me about
[2:23:17] this but it's facts First thing she said
[2:23:19] out of her mouth was I'm prepared for
[2:23:21] you to argue with me but these are the
[2:23:23] facts basically
[2:23:25] >> and I will win. She said
[2:23:26] >> and she said [laughter] and she did by
[2:23:30] the time she was halfway done I'm like
[2:23:32] okay I'm on your team.
[2:23:34] >> So
[2:23:35] >> one one thing that I don't think any if
[2:23:37] you went out and asked the general
[2:23:39] public nobody wants more taxes
[2:23:41] >> but we have I call it stretch the rubber
[2:23:44] band since we became the city we've
[2:23:47] never I mean those numbers just show
[2:23:50] >> we're doing
[2:23:52] that by the way.
[2:23:54] >> We'll make it pretty soon [laughter]
[2:23:57] and we've got to have more
[2:24:01] >> just Yeah. All I can say is she just
[2:24:03] convinced me that it needs to be done
[2:24:06] and and actually Ray and I talked that
[2:24:09] we're so yeah we would even if we had
[2:24:13] >> I'd happily I'll pay the whole thing
[2:24:14] where you want to play because I'm I
[2:24:17] paid it's worth it to me to this city to
[2:24:20] fork over a thousand bucks. I would
[2:24:22] happily do that because this city means
[2:24:25] this information.
[2:24:26] >> Well, and one thing too and I don't know
[2:24:27] if this you said this with case or we
[2:24:29] heard it also because I I relisted to
[2:24:31] her presentation. She had you know the
[2:24:34] same one but she said this is what we
[2:24:36] need to say. This is what proper
[2:24:39] residents this is what you are getting
[2:24:40] for $150
[2:24:43] a year.
[2:24:45] You break it out into like a pie chart
[2:24:47] and you say this is how much is police,
[2:24:49] this is how much is this, this is how much is this,
[2:24:53] these are the services, this is what
[2:24:55] it's costing you for these services. And
[2:24:58] it really hits home when you do that
[2:25:01] more so than, you know, I mean, when I
[2:25:03] did it with Kisville, I did the flyer
[2:25:06] and it had um and they still have it on
[2:25:09] their website. They haven't updated it,
[2:25:10] but they've got it there. but it has a
[2:25:13] comparison for other things. [cough] And
[2:25:15] honestly, I think the more important
[2:25:17] thing was that pie chart,
[2:25:20] >> you know, saying this is what you're
[2:25:22] getting for your money. And then also
[2:25:24] like we did a chart of saying this is
[2:25:26] what your property taxes are and this is
[2:25:28] how much of your property taxes go to
[2:25:30] each thing. And you know, this little
[2:25:33] maybe 1%, don't quote me on the
[2:25:35] percentage, but this little teeny
[2:25:36] percentage is the city. The rest of it
[2:25:39] is these other things. So, you know, of
[2:25:42] that little teeny percentage, we're
[2:25:44] providing these services. And
[2:25:45] >> you're a good pie charter, right?
[2:25:47] >> I love pie charts.
[2:25:48] >> I love Yeah, they do.
[2:25:54] » All we need to do is add what we provide
[2:25:57] for those.
[2:26:00] [cough and clears throat]
[2:26:00] >> I I was surprised where I live. I got a
[2:26:03] four
[2:26:06] city.
[2:26:07] >> My tax is just the city part. This is
[2:26:10] rough but fairly accurate. Went up 600%.
[2:26:14] If we had the same amount of tax rate
[2:26:17] that the city I live in has, we wouldn't
[2:26:19] have any money problems.
[2:26:21] >> And I don't know that, you know, maybe
[2:26:22] they're fat and they could be trimmed 10
[2:26:25] 20% but not 600%.
[2:26:28] >> His his taxes literally when he got
[2:26:30] annexed into West Point City, correct me
[2:26:32] if I'm wrong, went up $1,400 a year.
[2:26:37] >> So here's the truth. This is that Carrie
[2:26:41] not
[2:26:44] 41 pages of her presentation. If you
[2:26:48] guys want this, this is what emailed us.
[2:26:53] So, we need to get the new one from
[2:26:55] yesterday.
[2:26:55] >> What's that?
[2:26:56] >> I want to geek out on it. Can you send
[2:26:57] it to me? [laughter]
[2:27:01] » Is that the new one you got yesterday?
[2:27:03] >> Sorry.
[2:27:04] >> There's some slides she updated
[2:27:05] yesterday.
[2:27:06] >> Can I see?
[2:27:09] And it does.
[2:27:09] >> So if you go go to the Utah League of
[2:27:12] Cities and Towns, they she updated it
[2:27:14] and so she said, "This is our new one
[2:27:16] because the state auditors send them two
[2:27:19] more as of
[2:27:22] No, it was really good. I hers
[2:27:27] will find the
[2:27:32] » So our tax notice will say what it's
[2:27:35] for. We were sheriff
[2:27:38] So because of transparency now we have
[2:27:41] to have three separate agenda items we
[2:27:44] have and so this we talked about today
[2:27:45] with county would be on our second main
[2:27:47] meeting. So you have to have a agenda
[2:27:49] item stating that we are going to have a
[2:27:52] statement. Then the next agenda item is
[2:27:55] that we are this is the statement.
[2:27:58] >> Then the third one is this is the
[2:28:00] schedule and the schedule is so plainly
[2:28:03] written that it's this is the amount
[2:28:05] this is what it's for. This is But this
[2:28:07] is looked like county said this is the
[2:28:09] amount of money we need to get and we
[2:28:12] won't know the tax rate yet until we
[2:28:14] give that to them and they figure it
[2:28:16] out.
[2:28:16] >> So there'll be no question.
[2:28:18] >> No question at all. So, if you go to
[2:28:20] >> absolutely
[2:28:21] >> tab um 11, the TNT one, [laughter]
[2:28:26] >> um page one, it says at a public meeting
[2:28:30] between January or May 1st to June 13th,
[2:28:34] and it lines out what we have to
[2:28:36] provide.
[2:28:40] » Yeah. [clears throat]
[2:28:42] I mean, you don't necessarily need this,
[2:28:44] but I thought you might find it
[2:28:45] interesting, you know, as we go through
[2:28:47] the process.
[2:28:48] It doesn't help for all of us to be
[2:28:50] checking and making sure we're following
[2:28:51] it or if we're questioning if we're
[2:28:53] following it to
[2:28:54] >> she actually went through all this stuff
[2:28:55] with us.
[2:28:56] >> Did she?
[2:28:57] >> Yeah. Me and Larry and we don't have a
[2:28:59] good memory.
[2:29:00] >> But I love that the state auditor
[2:29:03] updated this because they had one before
[2:29:05] and I was like, where is that? They've
[2:29:07] got to give us a new one. So when they
[2:29:09] came up with the new one, I was like,
[2:29:10] "Yes, I want them to be on the on the
[2:29:14] hook if you know they mess something up
[2:29:16] on their checklist, not [laughter] me."
[2:29:18] But it does make it a lot easier.
[2:29:20] >> I'm told 100%. It's got to be right in
[2:29:23] detail.
[2:29:26] » So
[2:29:29] yeah, the
[2:29:31] >> Yeah, we need 1036
[2:29:33] >> irrigation line
[2:29:36] for this year. You can uh Oh, you're
[2:29:40] changing
[2:29:40] >> the 1036 is what did you have it, Larry?
[2:29:44] >> The fee.
[2:29:46] >> She's wondering what that needs to be
[2:29:48] changed. Said the TNT check.
[2:29:50] >> Sorry. I think we're looking at
[2:29:52] >> I thought you had it, Larry. So, I was
[2:29:54] like, "Oh, I got it right here, too."
[2:29:56] But um
[2:30:00] maybe somewhere
[2:30:02] >> um it's going to be interest.
[2:30:06] That's the 30 3600. Okay.
[2:30:08] >> Yeah. And this is tab
[2:30:13] nine.
[2:30:16] >> Sorry, we're on tab nine.
[2:30:18] >> Yep. Sorry. You're supposed to read by
[2:30:20] mine, guys. [clears throat and laughter]
[2:30:28] I thought it was just
[2:30:47] » I do have these exact numbers if you
[2:30:48] want to add those in for those grants
[2:30:51] [clears throat] for the ADA sidewalk,
[2:30:53] but that's next year. We just mean it'll
[2:30:56] be next fiscal year, but if you want
[2:31:00] >> so not in fiscal year,
[2:31:02] >> it'll be it will be 27.
[2:31:04] >> Oh, okay.
[2:31:05] >> So, we've got the bleachers and then
[2:31:07] we've got how much for the
[2:31:10] >> They were You had You had a list. You
[2:31:12] had They were on
[2:31:14] >> Yeah, they were over here on this
[2:31:16] >> right here. [snorts]
[2:31:18] So, we had the 30. The
[2:31:21] >> So, the 30 is correct.
[2:31:24] sidewalk
[2:31:26] and the baseball lights are 26,430.
[2:31:30] >> Okay. Right. [clears throat]
[2:31:33] And then the 15 there.
[2:31:36] >> Yeah.
[2:31:36] >> Sorry.
[2:31:37] >> Do we need to add any of that to this
[2:31:40] year's budget since we only have 1500 so
[2:31:42] far?
[2:31:43] >> Yeah. So, we need to do 15700
[2:31:46] >> plus this plus this plus 150
[2:31:52] >> 221.
[2:31:53] money for next year.
[2:31:54] >> 430. This is next year's money.
[2:31:56] >> 221430.
[2:31:59] >> We wrote the grants, but they're for
[2:32:01] fiscal year. They call them 2027.
[2:32:03] >> So, 1500 is all we got for this year.
[2:32:08] >> Are those numbers or is that with our
[2:32:11] match?
[2:32:12] >> That that is the grant money.
[2:32:14] >> Okay.
[2:32:15] >> Yeah. So, the bleachers would have been
[2:32:17] last year, but
[2:32:23] The lighting we got done. The parking
[2:32:26] lot was done.
[2:32:32] » We did the electrical upgrade that was
[2:32:34] on the west side of the park behind the
[2:32:40] >> shoulds.
[2:32:48] the financials on page three.
[2:32:54] » That should cover us
[2:33:01] over that amount in there, but I did the
[2:33:05] landscaping from 27,000 to 8,000. So
[2:33:09] that'll save us significantly there.
[2:33:15] » Well, the guy that's doing it, I just We
[2:33:18] got to talk about these numbers or we're
[2:33:20] going to pull it out of your contract.
[2:33:22] >> Tell me about
[2:33:24] >> when we talk about it.
[2:33:31] » Thank you.
[2:33:33] >> Okay.
[2:33:36] So, on the
[2:33:38] uh
[2:33:42] on the capital projects fund, we've got
[2:33:45] about 35,000 for park impact fees. Keep
[2:33:48] in mind those are um restricted funds.
[2:33:52] Uh calculated 176430
[2:33:56] for grants.
[2:33:59] And then interest, I estimated about
[2:34:01] 90,000. That's probably a little low,
[2:34:03] but you never know with interest rates.
[2:34:05] I always hate to go too high on
[2:34:07] interest. This is assuming we have a
[2:34:10] $225,000
[2:34:11] transfer in from the general fund.
[2:34:14] Um then with all the expenses, we've got
[2:34:18] the 5100 project also was postponed
[2:34:22] >> and it will be build. He told me we
[2:34:23] should be getting that build here pretty
[2:34:25] quick.
[2:34:25] >> Oh, so we'll be getting it this year
[2:34:27] then?
[2:34:27] >> I think we will be getting it this year.
[2:34:29] >> Okay. So now we no longer need to
[2:34:31] postpone that. That's even greater news.
[2:34:33] Okay.
[2:34:35] And then all these then should be
[2:34:39] done then. So
[2:34:44] we don't want to count the 35 really,
[2:34:46] but
[2:34:48] we'll have 418 as expenses. Our income's
[2:34:52] looking at 526. We could easily trim
[2:35:05] I don't want to count that impact fees
[2:35:07] in there. We could trim 73 off of this
[2:35:11] 225 and still pay for the expenses we
[2:35:14] have for this year.
[2:35:18] If you wanted to, um,
[2:35:22] it's up to you guys. We can put it in
[2:35:25] there and use it for
[2:35:28] >> Yeah, we know that's going to be
[2:35:30] Yeah, because because the parking lot
[2:35:32] according to the grant we had 59,718
[2:35:37] responsibility was 51,41
[2:35:40] for the parking lot. So is that what it
[2:35:43] came to?
[2:35:53] It's going to be closer to 22.
[2:35:57] >> That's for a 4 in line.
[2:36:00] [clears throat] Really don't think that
[2:36:03] we've got to have it. Worst case
[2:36:05] scenario, I think would be a 2 in that
[2:36:08] would be around.
[2:36:09] >> So more like maybe if I put 25 that
[2:36:12] would give us a little more.
[2:36:13] >> Okay.
[2:36:15] I'm not opposed to that.
[2:36:20] [cough]
[2:36:21] >> And we may not even need the 25 if we
[2:36:24] can water it with the 4 in
[2:36:30] » from
[2:36:43] that.
[2:36:44] on the west
[2:36:46] >> reduce it down or whatever it is.
[2:36:49] >> I don't remember either if the 2 in
[2:36:52] dropped down to 25.
[2:36:55] >> I think it was more
[2:36:56] >> on the
[2:36:58] Is it 25?
[2:36:59] >> It is. It's like 22
[2:37:01] >> and it dropped from the 81 to
[2:37:03] >> No, that the 81 is for a 4 inch.
[2:37:05] >> Yes, that's what I'm asking. But the 2
[2:37:07] in is only 22.
[2:37:09] >> Yeah. So, the uh there's a 1 inch that's
[2:37:12] uh I didn't bring my papers with me. A 1
[2:37:14] inch was like 11,000.
[2:37:17] >> An inch and a half was uh 125
[2:37:23] or 135 and then the 2 inch went up to
[2:37:26] like 22 and that included the meter, but
[2:37:30] she's putting 25.
[2:37:31] >> That included the meter.
[2:37:33] >> Yes. the one in that comes with it a
[2:37:37] meter because the meters are yeah 8,000
[2:37:41] for a 4 in but for like a 2 in it was
[2:37:44] like $1300 or something.
[2:37:48] >> So they us000 but we actually called
[2:37:52] their supper and we could buy it for
[2:37:58] » but I think yeah I just don't this
[2:38:01] coming year I don't with this
[2:38:13] Yeah, I don't think anyone get
[2:38:14] everything sorted out. We may end up
[2:38:16] reducing
[2:38:18] two
[2:38:20] money.
[2:38:23] » We can't run I've done the math on
[2:38:28] at 70 lb 70 PSI. We cannot pull enough
[2:38:32] water into our sprinklers.
[2:38:41] [clears throat]
[2:38:44] Yes.
[2:38:46] Okay, now where are we at?
[2:38:48] >> Okay,
[2:38:50] >> wants to go home.
[2:38:54] » I didn't bring Diet Coke today either.
[2:38:56] [laughter]
[2:39:00] » Okay, so that means we're
[2:39:04] at 137.
[2:39:09] Do you want to trim back that transfer
[2:39:11] then?
[2:39:13] And do you want to spend it on roads? Do
[2:39:15] you want to spend it on what do you
[2:39:17] want?
[2:39:17] >> What do you need done the best the most?
[2:39:21] >> The scariest thing we got those storm
[2:39:23] rain issues that just could fail
[2:39:25] anytime.
[2:39:28] >> The scariest things probably the sewer
[2:39:30] and we [clears throat]
[2:39:31] budgeted the best that we know right
[2:39:33] now. Roads is one of those things we
[2:39:36] could spend twice that. We won't get
[2:39:39] caught up as we're fixing it on this
[2:39:41] end.
[2:39:43] So,
[2:39:44] >> Rich, maybe we just I mean
[2:39:48] >> maybe if we get by a little bit
[2:39:52] >> this year, maybe another year or two and
[2:39:54] then get some other sources of income to
[2:39:57] help us start having a better projection
[2:39:59] in the future.
[2:40:01] >> Do we have money on there for the 5900
[2:40:04] project?
[2:40:07] >> So, we need money for that.
[2:40:10] >> We don't have money for the forest. If
[2:40:12] we end up doing a
[2:40:13] >> Oh, the forest main. Yes, we do.
[2:40:15] >> We have the million.
[2:40:16] >> That's in the sewer.
[2:40:18] >> Isn't 5900
[2:40:20] >> storm water?
[2:40:21] >> Oh, storm water. That's the We've got
[2:40:23] the 800.
[2:40:24] >> Yeah, that.
[2:40:26] >> Okay.
[2:40:26] So, yes, we do have that. Sorry.
[2:40:33] » Remember that's that one we talked
[2:40:34] about.
[2:40:38] So, but well, we don't have to make that
[2:40:42] decision this moment. Let's go look at
[2:40:45] these other things.
[2:40:46] >> Yeah,
[2:40:46] >> we'll make a decision.
[2:40:48] >> Okay,
[2:40:49] >> that sound like a good idea. We'll come
[2:40:50] back to it.
[2:40:52] Okay, but we do have 137.
[2:40:57] >> So, okay, let's let's do the easy one
[2:41:02] for the moment. Let's do garbage.
[2:41:05] [laughter]
[2:41:06] 13.
[2:41:13] » Yeah, we have 100
[2:41:14] >> but we're pulling out of savings in
[2:41:16] other words. So,
[2:41:18] >> no.
[2:41:26] » I mean, is it better to have, you know,
[2:41:28] you said we were like at 19%.
[2:41:31] We can only be at 19% of our general
[2:41:34] fund balance.
[2:41:35] We can be 5 to 30,
[2:41:37] >> but are we better to stay at 19? Are we
[2:41:39] better to go to 25? What would you
[2:41:41] recommend? Is there a difference with
[2:41:44] interest rates we would get if the
[2:41:45] money's in one account versus another?
[2:41:48] >> If you're trying to get financing as far
[2:41:51] as bonding, the 25 is a good number. We
[2:41:54] usually recommend around 25 because that
[2:41:57] would be like your money that say you
[2:42:00] had a major catastrophe. I've gone
[2:42:02] through a FEMA event. it takes months
[2:42:04] and months and years to get their money
[2:42:06] back. So that would be the money that
[2:42:09] would get you through and that type of
[2:42:11] thing.
[2:42:13] >> So 25% is definitely, you know, a better
[2:42:17] route to be in.
[2:42:19] Um that's usually a good happy place.
[2:42:22] >> So we may not have that 100
[2:42:26] >> 37 to transfer out if we tried to get to
[2:42:29] the 25%.
[2:42:32] >> Okay.
[2:42:32] >> Kind of
[2:42:36] What's that?
[2:42:42] » That's really
[2:42:43] >> That's about it. We had to get a tornado
[2:42:45] through here which is
[2:42:46] >> I was going to say wind. That was the
[2:42:48] one I experienced with Cisville. Thought
[2:42:50] I'd never see it and it was
[2:42:52] catastrophic.
[2:42:54] Of course, we had a water a power
[2:42:55] department which was a whole another fun
[2:42:57] thing. Yeah.
[2:42:59] >> Well, let's keep that in mind because we
[2:43:00] may want to be at the 25% rather than
[2:43:03] the 19 and not necessarily transfer that
[2:43:06] money out.
[2:43:06] >> That's true.
[2:43:07] >> May not be. [cough and clears throat]
[2:43:11] » Now, keep in mind if you do have the
[2:43:13] money in the capital projects fund and
[2:43:15] something catastrophic happen, there's
[2:43:17] nothing saying you can't take the money
[2:43:18] from the capital projects fund and use
[2:43:20] that for that catastrophic event. So
[2:43:24] it's not like, you know, by putting it
[2:43:25] into couple projects, you're losing it
[2:43:27] either.
[2:43:28] >> So
[2:43:28] >> it's usable and transferable.
[2:43:31] >> Yeah. Exactly.
[2:43:34] But part of why I do that five-year um
[2:43:38] projection is because the state auditor
[2:43:40] doesn't want you to just put tons and
[2:43:42] tons of money in there and sit it there.
[2:43:44] They want to say, do you have some plans
[2:43:46] for it? you you know what are kind of
[2:43:50] excuse me your intentions with it going
[2:43:52] forward that we're not just you know
[2:43:54] unlimited funds. So okay
[2:44:01] let's look at garbage cuz our that's an
[2:44:04] easy one for a moment. Get our brains a
[2:44:06] moment restify
[2:44:09] one thing.
[2:44:10] >> Yeah absolutely.
[2:44:11] >> What did we decide to do with the
[2:44:13] utility bill?
[2:44:17] as far as going paperless.
[2:44:19] [cough and clears throat]
[2:44:24] » Yeah,
[2:44:25] >> you know, we talked about it in staff
[2:44:26] meeting and we have enough paper bills
[2:44:29] to last till the end of the year. But as
[2:44:32] we talked about it, but even if we went
[2:44:34] to paperless like in July, we still need
[2:44:36] to keep some for those residents that
[2:44:38] want to if we do that want to opt in
[2:44:41] still to getting a paper bill.
[2:44:43] >> So the option
[2:44:46] [snorts] dollar.
[2:44:51] And maybe one thing on garbage is so the Weaver transfer station is planning
[2:44:58] on staying open for at least one more
[2:45:00] year. But they told us they are going to
[2:45:02] be sending an interlocal agreement to
[2:45:04] us. They do not want us to sign that for
[2:45:06] more than a one year because after the
[2:45:09] one year they will re-evaluate and then
[2:45:11] try to see what they can what we can do.
[2:45:16] >> So I don't know what the fee will be if
[2:45:18] it'll go up.
[2:45:20] Historically it has gone up a little bit
[2:45:22] each year. So
[2:45:24] >> absolutely need that open.
[2:45:32] » Yeah. Yeah. Why not? I got the lowest
[2:45:35] place in John
[2:45:38] >> actually.
[2:45:41] [clears throat]
[2:45:44] » You're close.
[2:45:45] >> And the tipping fee
[2:45:48] was a set price.
[2:45:50] >> Well, tipping fee, they haven't given it
[2:45:52] to us yet, but we're assuming if it goes
[2:45:55] up as much this year. They had talked
[2:45:57] once about having it be go down a little
[2:46:00] bit. That's when they were trying to
[2:46:01] negotiate with some of the
[2:46:04] companies to come back to. There's only
[2:46:07] one actually that
[2:46:10] so we don't know that yet, but that's
[2:46:12] probably a fair estimate and I think we
[2:46:14] might get that at our Monday meeting.
[2:46:17] >> So the $12,000 increase
[2:46:20] >> is an estimate.
[2:46:22] >> 22,500
[2:46:24] increase for the contract is a given.
[2:46:27] >> That was the percentage he gave us.
[2:46:36] So everybody
[2:46:47] just
[2:46:50] person
[2:46:52] [laughter]
[2:46:54] >> well you know it is going to take one
[2:46:56] staff meeting we there is going to be
[2:46:59] some staff work to do that.
[2:47:03] >> I don't know how to get around it with
[2:47:04] our demographic. It's like there are
[2:47:05] certain people that say, "I don't have
[2:47:07] email. I don't I don't want to pay."
[2:47:08] >> Well, that's just it. We're always
[2:47:10] punishing those people that don't have
[2:47:11] the convenience of all that stuff.
[2:47:16] So, here's your dollar fee because you
[2:47:17] can't
[2:47:18] >> I see what you're saying. I guess I
[2:47:19] didn't understand that. I thought we
[2:47:20] were it was going to cost us an
[2:47:22] additional dollar.
[2:47:24] >> No, we charge a dollar.
[2:47:28] » The reason for
[2:47:31] We figure it's costing us a dollar. By
[2:47:33] the time you email it, you get it 20,000
[2:47:36] a year to
[2:47:38] >> see what's funny is I've seen companies
[2:47:40] do the opposite. Charge a convenience
[2:47:41] fee for online meal pay and electronic
[2:47:44] things.
[2:47:45] >> So they don't they charge you less for
[2:47:49] charge convenience fee to do everything
[2:47:50] online. And we do have the thought that
[2:47:52] we could instead of charging
[2:47:55] [clears throat] the fee, the paper fee,
[2:47:57] we could charge a credit card fee.
[2:48:01] People are doing it.
[2:48:03] >> People do it.
[2:48:04] >> People are familiar with that,
[2:48:05] >> right?
[2:48:06] >> A credit card fee would make more sense
[2:48:07] because that's actually
[2:48:10] charged.
[2:48:10] >> Yeah.
[2:48:11] >> Do we want to look at that route
[2:48:13] instead?
[2:48:16] >> We're eating right now.
[2:48:19] >> We are eating. I mean in his budget we
[2:48:21] are eating banking fees and I'm I'm
[2:48:22] interested if you ever looked at are we
[2:48:24] is it outrageous you know because I was
[2:48:26] looking at some of the other budgets and
[2:48:28] we had a lot more one year than others
[2:48:30] but we are we have multiple banking fees
[2:48:32] from different departments that I wonder
[2:48:36] >> we could definitely look at it I mean I
[2:48:38] know we pay a fee for express and we pay
[2:48:41] a fee for the credit card system um you
[2:48:45] know the thought process is is if you do
[2:48:48] use like credit processing center like
[2:48:52] Express. It it goes right into Cassell
[2:48:55] and it's literally a couple steps as
[2:48:57] opposed to hand putting in all those
[2:48:59] payments
[2:49:01] which so it makes sense to have that
[2:49:03] instead of having to hire an additional
[2:49:05] person as the thought process or a
[2:49:06] part-time person or something. So, you
[2:49:09] don't want to, you know, do that. And
[2:49:11] also, we do get a lesser fee for using
[2:49:16] um credit cards because we are a
[2:49:18] municipality.
[2:49:19] What that fee is, I'm not sure at the
[2:49:22] moment because it's been so long.
[2:49:24] >> Do we get benefits like points for the
[2:49:26] city or anything?
[2:49:27] >> No.
[2:49:29] I'm just saying we're using credit.
[2:49:31] I mean, they they're charging us
[2:49:32] something interesting.
[2:49:36] >> Yeah. So, I mean, we definitely could
[2:49:38] charge a processing fee instead of a
[2:49:41] paper, you know, go the processing fee
[2:49:43] instead of the paper fee.
[2:49:44] >> How many people do we figure paid by
[2:49:46] credit card?
[2:49:47] >> I'd have to figure it out. I bet you at
[2:49:49] least more than half. Huh.
[2:49:51] [clears throat and cough]
[2:49:52] You save probably more pay than half pay
[2:49:54] by credit card.
[2:49:57] >> But you know me, I'm a tight w though.
[2:50:00] If they charge me a 3% fee, I pay with
[2:50:03] my debit card instead of my credit card,
[2:50:05] you know. [laughter]
[2:50:07] That's a big chance. I have several
[2:50:09] businesses that I deal with that don't
[2:50:10] want to pay the credit card fee, so
[2:50:12] they'll take a check.
[2:50:13] >> Yeah. But yeah, if you know somebody
[2:50:17] uh offers me to pay with my credit card
[2:50:19] and I'm going to get the Sky,
[2:50:20] >> we do charge a dollar transaction that
[2:50:23] we do take whether it's debit or credit.
[2:50:26] So there's a dollar every time.
[2:50:29] >> Okay.
[2:50:29] >> Anything over 200, we charge 3%.
[2:50:32] >> Okay. So you are charging
[2:50:34] >> an If people pay that way, is there
[2:50:38] already a fee built into?
[2:50:39] >> I don't know. We have to ask. I don't
[2:50:41] know. Like if I was to go on and pay my
[2:50:43] >> If I go on and pay my bill through
[2:50:45] express does the city get charged?
[2:50:48] >> Oh, yes. Yes, the city does get charged.
[2:50:50] >> Just do we is that per bill or is that
[2:50:53] per our service with express?
[2:50:55] >> I think it's per amount like a
[2:50:58] percentage of what I think. Don't quote
[2:51:01] me on that. I'd have to research it. I
[2:51:03] know that's what it used to. We really
[2:51:05] should be passing that on if we're
[2:51:07] having to
[2:51:08] >> Yeah, there's a processing
[2:51:10] that charging would have to be charged
[2:51:13] to this. They're not
[2:51:15] >> like for example, our merchant fees. I
[2:51:18] did estimate about $10,000 just for um
[2:51:22] garbage. That's and I allocate that each
[2:51:25] month based upon our billing. So, I take
[2:51:27] all of our fees that were charged for
[2:51:31] um merchant, uh bank, any of those fees,
[2:51:35] and I take and I take the total and then
[2:51:38] I say this is how much we build for each
[2:51:39] of those services. What's the percentage
[2:51:41] of [clears throat] the total and
[2:51:43] allocate it out?
[2:51:44] >> So, it could be 30 $40,000 total.
[2:51:46] >> Yeah. I mean, if you look at 10,000
[2:51:48] there, then your storm water
[2:51:52] is paying where's our merchant?
[2:51:55] right there. Three three two three,000
[2:52:01] and then we go to
[2:52:05] sewer
[2:52:06] probably the highest.
[2:52:08] >> Yeah. 23ish 20 23 around there,
[2:52:15] >> you know. And then I don't get keep any
[2:52:17] in the general fund because
[2:52:19] >> it really doesn't make sense to keep any
[2:52:21] in the general fun.
[2:52:22] >> Keep it like it is or decide to charge
[2:52:24] to We're covering our cost or we build
[2:52:26] in a little maybe we build in a little
[2:52:29] bit for every bill whether they get we
[2:52:32] mail it or we do it credit card so it
[2:52:34] covers all of it or are we already
[2:52:37] building in some
[2:52:41] >> thought process is that this their cost
[2:52:45] per can is more because
[2:52:50] >> you've already added
[2:52:51] >> yeah we've already got those merchant
[2:52:52] fees here so it would just be basically
[2:52:55] saying you you're using that
[2:52:57] [clears throat] service now we're
[2:52:58] charging you for that service built that
[2:53:00] way in
[2:53:02] >> and that's fair and we also have
[2:53:04] supplies and postage built in
[2:53:07] >> we did decrease supplies and postage by
[2:53:10] 6 thou by about yeah about 10,000
[2:53:14] >> because we were doing this
[2:53:16] >> I wish [laughter]
[2:53:18] >> so you know I mean if we're not going to
[2:53:20] do paper bills then I would say we
[2:53:22] probably need to up that back to about
[2:53:25] 16. Probably 15ish.
[2:53:29] >> Oh, maybe about 14.
[2:53:32] >> Five. Let's do 145.
[2:53:34] >> How much have we spent so far this year?
[2:53:36] Is that the 135?
[2:53:38] >> Uhhuh.
[2:53:39] >> Well, we spent 1000
[2:53:41] >> this year.
[2:53:42] >> So, we should be open.
[2:53:44] >> Yeah. So, if we did the 145, but we're
[2:53:46] going to lose that there. So, then what
[2:53:50] do you want to I mean, I guess we could
[2:53:53] figure
[2:53:54] out of this and this times it by 003 you
[2:53:59] did a 3%
[2:54:02] that calculated wrong
[2:54:06] we just found a bunch of money dang
[2:54:09] charge that right so if you charge 3%
[2:54:14] >> and then maybe
[2:54:16] said half the people
[2:54:20] >> 1%
[2:54:22] >> you need a dump and just let people go
[2:54:24] take it themselves.
[2:54:26] >> That's right.
[2:54:28] >> So, you only get $4,000.
[2:54:31] >> What's our expenses?
[2:54:33] >> Our expenses
[2:54:35] >> 876.
[2:54:36] >> Yeah. Your your deficit $11,000.
[2:54:42] >> Salaries and wages.
[2:54:43] >> Yeah. You're down you're negative
[2:54:46] 11,000.
[2:54:47] >> Okay. 2%.
[2:54:48] >> 2%. Okay.
[2:54:50] >> We can't go in the hall.
[2:54:51] >> No. the point we don't want to go.
[2:54:54] >> Next year we go further in the hole.
[2:54:56] >> So now we're now we're we almost need to
[2:54:59] go to 3%.
[2:55:05] » And we're still
[2:55:06] >> we're still 2,800 negative but you know.
[2:55:12] >> So what about the idea of billing every
[2:55:15] other month? Anybody like that idea?
[2:55:24] I'm just thinking of uh for the younger
[2:55:28] for me it'd be great
[2:55:32] and that but the younger generation
[2:55:35] [clears throat]
[2:55:37] » yeah they I don't think they teach that
[2:55:39] anymore and I think
[2:55:41] >> there is a teacher
[2:55:45] » and part of the problem is they do shut
[2:55:47] offs and they they really have only
[2:55:48] started doing them what is it every
[2:55:50] other month or every
[2:55:52] But even with that, because of the price
[2:55:55] of what our utilities are now,
[2:55:57] >> if we did, people would be in the shut
[2:56:00] off every other because you missed one
[2:56:01] time paying.
[2:56:04] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[2:56:07] >> Okay.
[2:56:09] >> But I think you're right. For a lot of
[2:56:11] us, that would work great.
[2:56:16] » Can I sh that camera at you while you do
[2:56:18] that? You didn't give support. The lack
[2:56:21] of work on this end would mean more work
[2:56:22] on this end
[2:56:24] >> basically.
[2:56:24] >> Yeah, I think I think you're right.
[2:56:26] >> Very good thought.
[2:56:28] >> How did our benefits increase? So or was
[2:56:29] it just
[2:56:30] >> are we expecting a much higher benefits?
[2:56:33] >> What we did is so I always try to um
[2:56:38] budget [clears throat] for our benefits
[2:56:41] based on worst case scenario.
[2:56:43] Um not saying that last year it got
[2:56:46] budgeted that way or not.
[2:56:50] But that would be kind of my worst case
[2:56:52] scenario
[2:56:53] >> cuz our actual 6700
[2:57:00] » my screen just went
[2:57:02] >> for 26
[2:57:08] » I can't
[2:57:10] I know one time
[2:57:12] >> can't explain to me is you don't know if
[2:57:14] it's going to be as far as insurance if
[2:57:16] it's a single family if
[2:57:18] I mean a single person a family plan. So
[2:57:21] you try to always budget in for a family
[2:57:24] plan in case
[2:57:26] >> we are paying for the family.
[2:57:33] » Sure.
[2:57:36] » Yeah. I'm just curious because you know
[2:57:39] our actual 6755
[2:57:41] >> and our budget is 9,000.
[2:57:45] So that
[2:57:46] >> well the six
[2:57:49] >> but that's for just 9 months be up to
[2:57:52] about 9400 for the year.
[2:57:55] >> Yeah. So I'm just wondering what makes
[2:57:57] us think that our benefits are going to
[2:57:59] >> go up to another question.
[2:58:02] >> Our insurance cost did go up
[2:58:05] >> price of
[2:58:07] [clears throat]
[2:58:08] seven%.
[2:58:09] >> Is that all?
[2:58:14] » I have no idea.
[2:58:16] >> Okay. Yeah, it was one of the worsters
[2:58:19] in a few years.
[2:58:22] which I imag.
[2:58:32] » Yeah, I think so.
[2:58:34] >> Yeah, let's take a break for a minute.
[2:58:36] >> Okay. Do we have to pause this or do we
[2:58:38] just say we're taking a break?
[2:58:41] >> Start back.
[2:58:42] >> We're back.
[2:58:48] Are we implementing?
[2:58:53] » I think you might as well.
[2:58:55] >> What's your thoughts?
[2:58:59] » We did already include merchant fees,
[2:59:01] didn't we?
[2:59:03] >> We have
[2:59:09] » No, I mean I think we're already
[2:59:11] including merchant fees in there.
[2:59:14] So, do we want to take out the merchant
[2:59:17] fees and just add it to each individual
[2:59:18] because I think we already have
[2:59:20] >> Hold [clears throat] on. Just a second.
[2:59:21] I'm trying to get
[2:59:23] >> Okay, there we go.
[2:59:30] » So, if we did merchant fees, we did
[2:59:34] um So, if we're going to do credit card
[2:59:37] processing
[2:59:41] fee,
[2:59:45] And I estimated about 13
[2:59:48] with a 3%.
[2:59:51] Then that still just puts us 2,000 in
[2:59:53] the hole, 2,800 in the hole, which I
[2:59:56] don't have a problem with because you
[2:59:57] may have some new group new moveins. And
[3:00:01] >> is that in addition to the merchant fees
[3:00:03] that we already have in there?
[3:00:05] >> Yeah, the that line right there.
[3:00:07] >> Well, the merchant fees is right there.
[3:00:10] >> That's what we're paying.
[3:00:13] we would collect 13.
[3:00:16] >> So I guess really that should offset one
[3:00:18] another.
[3:00:21] » But you'd have to implement that
[3:00:23] somehow.
[3:00:24] >> I think you have to just tell everybody
[3:00:26] we're going to charge a 3% processing
[3:00:29] fee on any credit card.
[3:00:33] >> Maybe not debit card, but just credit
[3:00:35] card.
[3:00:35] >> And is that with express bill pay too?
[3:00:37] For all those people that have signed up
[3:00:39] for express bill pay would pay that.
[3:00:43] anytime we process a credit card.
[3:00:48] >> So, so we're trying to just not make
[3:00:49] this a billing nightmare because that
[3:00:52] was the problem with charging with the
[3:00:54] paper bills. So, we'll have to go into
[3:00:57] express bill pay and everybody that's on
[3:01:00] that I'm not
[3:01:01] >> I think we just call express bill pay.
[3:01:04] >> Okay.
[3:01:06] [clears throat and snorts]
[3:01:08] [cough]
[3:01:12] Yeah.
[3:01:14] >> Charge 2% just pass.
[3:01:16] >> Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat]
[3:01:17] >> I agree.
[3:01:20] >> So, whatever. We'll find out for sure
[3:01:22] what percentage
[3:01:24] >> and we'll just charge that percentage.
[3:01:26] >> Express
[3:01:30] is an exact 2% because I know on our
[3:01:32] credit card fees that there's like every
[3:01:35] debit card's just 25 cents and then
[3:01:38] there's a percent
[3:01:40] regular credit card. If it's a rewards
[3:01:44] card, then it goes up a percent or so
[3:01:48] and then American Express is clear up
[3:01:50] there 3.75%.
[3:01:53] >> I think you'd basically just have to
[3:01:55] take the average
[3:01:58] >> is what you
[3:02:00] close to that 3%
[3:02:02] >> probably. But we do get a discount
[3:02:03] because we're a city, but it may not be
[3:02:06] >> enough. Yeah.
[3:02:09] So, okay.
[3:02:12] Like I said, 20 2,800 loss. We could
[3:02:16] have new move in [clears throat] and
[3:02:18] make that up easy. So, I'm not too
[3:02:21] worried about as long as we're getting
[3:02:23] pretty close.
[3:02:24] >> Yeah.
[3:02:24] And that's what the point is of
[3:02:26] that garbage
[3:02:27] >> is for that.
[3:02:29] >> Okay. Everybody good with garbage?
[3:02:32] >> What did we decide the rates are then?
[3:02:34] The rates are going to be 8.75 for
[3:02:37] recycling, 15 for garbage, an additional
[3:02:40] count would be 1125.
[3:02:42] >> So on our current schedule, our first
[3:02:45] garbage count is 1550 right now, not
[3:02:48] 1350.
[3:02:51] So we'd be decreasing all of our next
[3:02:54] >> on your fee schedule. It's 1550.
[3:02:57] >> Way to go.
[3:02:58] >> Additional 1050. Recycling is 950.
[3:03:05] That's what we're building right now is
[3:03:07] 15 59 10.
[3:03:09] >> Well, where did I get those other
[3:03:10] numbers from? My goodness.
[3:03:13] >> I don't know.
[3:03:14] >> Question.
[3:03:15] >> That's a wonderful question.
[3:03:19] Well, maybe we just keep them the same.
[3:03:23] » I'm game with that. [clears throat]
[3:03:27] » And will that account then if the
[3:03:29] garbage goes up?
[3:03:34] cost$50,000.
[3:03:36] [cough and clears throat]
[3:03:38] » Yeah. Okay. So,
[3:03:51] Did
[3:04:01] » you find that, Larry?
[3:04:04] >> It's on page four.
[3:04:06] >> Page four
[3:04:09] under utility billing. Yellow.
[3:04:17] » [snorts]
[3:04:23] » So if we do
[3:04:33] » Okay. So if we maintained
[3:04:39] » Yeah.
[3:04:41] Dang. You're good, Morgan.
[3:04:44] >> [laughter]
[3:04:53] [snorts]
[3:04:54] >> Let's make sure that's right because if
[3:04:55] we could have those not go out when
[3:04:57] we're doing the
[3:05:00] taxation that would be great.
[3:05:04] [cough]
[3:05:04] [clears throat]
[3:05:05] >> How long we stay the same amount?
[3:05:09] >> Yeah.
[3:05:10] I don't know.
[3:05:15] » [snorts]
[3:05:23] » voodoo.
[3:05:38] » Yeah, I'm looking actually at those
[3:05:39] numbers.
[3:05:42] I have them right here. I just have to
[3:05:44] pull it up.
[3:05:57] » I can get my password right. Okay. So
[3:06:02] recycling one can or garbage one can
[3:06:05] garbage two can five can three can four
[3:06:09] can and five can
[3:06:11] [sighs]
[3:06:18] [clears throat]
[3:06:22] snip this
[3:06:33] here.
[3:06:35] So,
[3:06:38] this is how many we build out just last
[3:06:41] month.
[3:06:44] So, regular garbage cans
[3:06:49] 1404.
[3:06:51] If they have two cans, then it's 1240 +
[3:06:55] 1240, right?
[3:06:59] [snorts]
[3:07:04] » Mhm.
[3:07:07] » Yeah. I'd argue they have more than
[3:07:10] five.
[3:07:16] » I thought it was it doesn't get rid of
[3:07:18] weeds.
[3:07:20] >> It depends what you feed.
[3:07:24] Everybody tells me all the time
[3:07:28] destroy the seeds.
[3:07:34] » I don't get what type of manure is the
[3:07:37] best.
[3:07:38] >> Don't tell me that. [laughter]
[3:07:42] >> I have some chickens.
[3:07:45] >> I think Ryan's got me on speed though.
[3:07:51] Okay. So, Morgan, if they have two cans,
[3:07:54] they only get build just that two can
[3:07:56] amount though, right? There, right?
[3:07:59] >> Yeah. The 1550 plus 1050.
[3:08:02] >> Yeah. But,
[3:08:04] so really 1,240
[3:08:07] people have a can.
[3:08:10] >> And so, if I'm doing just the regular
[3:08:12] count, I'd do 1 1440 12 40
[3:08:19] 7152.
[3:08:22] So that's really the amount that we have
[3:08:25] of units.
[3:08:27] And then for the second can,
[3:08:31] you really have
[3:08:34] 1240 + 217 + 117
[3:08:38] + 15 + 15 + 15 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2.
[3:08:50] » [cough and clears throat]
[3:08:51] >> I trust you.
[3:08:52] >> I wouldn't trust me. [laughter]
[3:08:56] » Recycling,
[3:08:58] >> we just have 1219.
[3:09:01] >> So, this was last month's billings, how
[3:09:03] many we sent out.
[3:09:06] >> So, if we stay at that rate,
[3:09:10] >> we're actually 33 negative.
[3:09:13] So Ryan, if I look at last month's
[3:09:16] billing and put in the amount of units,
[3:09:19] if I put in those rates there, keep the
[3:09:22] same. We're at 33 negative.
[3:09:24] >> That makes sense.
[3:09:25] >> Or we can't.
[3:09:26] >> That's what we just You're exactly
[3:09:27] right.
[3:09:28] >> $30,000.
[3:09:29] >> Yeah.
[3:09:33] » So what if we went to what if we did
[3:09:36] this route? Um
[3:09:39] just a thought process here.
[3:09:43] >> [clears throat]
[3:09:51] » up to everything 50 cents.
[3:09:53] >> You're there.
[3:09:54] >> Yeah.
[3:09:55] >> Everything Everything 50 cents. That's
[3:09:58] not a bad increase.
[3:09:59] >> No, that sounds okay, don't you think?
[3:10:01] >> Yeah. I mean, we're getting
[3:10:02] >> We have to cover.
[3:10:05] >> Everybody else is doing I mean,
[3:10:07] >> we're just passing on the cost.
[3:10:10] >> Not We're not making money on this
[3:10:12] stuff.
[3:10:12] >> Yeah, I pulled this report meaning to
[3:10:14] burn it off before I came in.
[3:10:15] >> You can't lose money, especially if
[3:10:17] we're gonna put the stuff over in
[3:10:19] Larry's backyard. [laughter]
[3:10:24] » Okay.
[3:10:26] >> And did we build in a little bit
[3:10:28] increase for the tipping fee in case we
[3:10:30] did?
[3:10:31] >> Um, for the tipping fee, we did increase
[3:10:33] it a little bit. About 5% is all we did.
[3:10:36] >> That sounds good.
[3:10:37] >> I don't know that it will, but it's
[3:10:38] always better to go Yeah, definitely.
[3:10:42] And if we end up with excess, I don't
[3:10:44] have a problem not increasing so much
[3:10:45] the following year.
[3:10:46] >> Yeah.
[3:10:47] >> You know, so
[3:10:49] >> Okay, ready Jared?
[3:10:52] >> Sure.
[3:10:53] >> Here is our storm water.
[3:10:57] >> We have that 5900 West project.
[3:11:02] >> And is it still 880? [clears throat] Are
[3:11:05] we still thinking 880 is going to cover
[3:11:06] it?
[3:11:07] >> Yeah.
[3:11:08] >> Heard rumors.
[3:11:11] that it wasn't going to cover it.
[3:11:13] >> I think it'll be
[3:11:15] less than that, but then with inflation
[3:11:18] from when those were calculated, I just
[3:11:21] >> Okay.
[3:11:22] >> So, it's less is what's it less
[3:11:28] >> I think the 880. So, we just put a
[3:11:30] projected
[3:11:32] amount together and it included some
[3:11:34] things that we really won't write a
[3:11:36] check for like mobilization. They're
[3:11:38] part of
[3:11:39] project, but that's probably there's
[3:11:42] going to be other costs that go over.
[3:11:44] So, I would say just leave it there.
[3:11:49] The answer really is kind of just a
[3:11:51] rough guess. We don't know for sure and
[3:11:53] we've got to get comm
[3:12:18] » water protection program
[3:12:21] know a lot about that.
[3:12:23] >> You know why?
[3:12:25] >> Guess who the guy is at.
[3:12:29] [laughter]
[3:12:31] >> So if you got questions, feel free to
[3:12:33] call it.
[3:12:40] If it work, if everything works out like
[3:12:42] it was supposed to, he'll do all of the
[3:12:44] labor equipment and labor and we justify
[3:12:48] the gra.
[3:12:50] >> Okay. So, with our storm water, we had
[3:12:53] talked about doing from 8 to up from six
[3:12:57] up to eight as the price. Um, with that,
[3:13:04] um, I just filled in 4,200 for a
[3:13:06] processing fee for the credit cards. did
[3:13:09] the 3% calculation there.
[3:13:13] Um, we've got some maintenance, some
[3:13:15] engineering fees, um, sweeping you have
[3:13:19] to have thanks to SWIP. Uh, your storm
[3:13:22] drain pumps. Um, a little bit
[3:13:24] maintenance, salaries and wages,
[3:13:27] benefits. Um, we don't have any
[3:13:30] training, but I believe isn't the
[3:13:33] coalition free. We could send somebody
[3:13:37] >> does some training. that in the
[3:13:39] engineering as well. So,
[3:13:42] >> okay. Okay. So, with that 880, we're at
[3:13:46] a deficit of 620.
[3:13:48] Sounds really yucky, but here's the real
[3:13:51] yucky part.
[3:13:53] >> It's worse.
[3:13:54] >> Oh, yeah. I can make it worse.
[3:13:56] [laughter]
[3:13:57] Um, your fund balance at the end of
[3:13:59] fiscal year 25 was 8.65 65 with our
[3:14:02] income for this year minus our expenses
[3:14:05] for this year
[3:14:07] [clears throat] brings your fund balance
[3:14:08] to 811.
[3:14:10] Your income for next year, your expenses
[3:14:13] for next year makes our fund balance at
[3:14:15] 191.
[3:14:16] >> So in three years we're exhausting our
[3:14:18] fund balance.
[3:14:19] >> Um pretty much in one year we're
[3:14:21] exhausting our fund balance because of
[3:14:24] that $880,000 project.
[3:14:27] You do have the option that you could
[3:14:30] take some of the money that you just
[3:14:32] saved with your capital projects and
[3:14:35] transfer it to here. You can transfer
[3:14:38] from general fund to an enterprise fund.
[3:14:43] that as an option or you can accept the
[3:14:46] fact that you do this and you will not
[3:14:49] be able to fund any additional storm
[3:14:51] water projects
[3:14:54] and you better hope nothing falls in
[3:14:56] that the general fund can't pick up for
[3:14:58] you.
[3:15:00] >> I might have missed it. Did you already
[3:15:01] have in here that all that we have to do
[3:15:04] for the audit? We had all those
[3:15:07] >> that's part of that engineering I
[3:15:08] believe is what we built that sweeping
[3:15:11] was part of it. Wasn't
[3:15:13] Is that including everything that we had
[3:15:15] to get done as far as the
[3:15:17] >> I think we've done everything but the
[3:15:19] mapping
[3:15:20] >> which it sounds like Larry's saving us a
[3:15:22] bunch on that.
[3:15:24] Good job.
[3:15:29] » Yeah. Yeah. I It's way too much.
[3:15:33] >> That golf cart's a savior.
[3:15:38] [laughter]
[3:15:40] >> Um so we we would end up with just 191
[3:15:44] with capital projects.
[3:15:47] We had excess of 137. So we could
[3:15:51] transfer that over. That part of that
[3:15:54] big um push why we did the uh impact
[3:15:58] fees studies is because part of that
[3:16:02] will help us here. We had 120 here that
[3:16:05] we spent on that. Hoping that we can get
[3:16:07] some impact fees coming in here, but we
[3:16:10] don't know what those will be yet.
[3:16:14] >> So
[3:16:14] >> right now we don't have any impact fees.
[3:16:16] If we delete it down to 191,000, what's
[3:16:19] going to happen in 28?
[3:16:21] >> Well, 28,
[3:16:24] >> we would have an additional income of
[3:16:27] 280.
[3:16:29] >> So, plus these this 165 is one time
[3:16:34] money that we still have kind of sitting
[3:16:36] there, but we said, "Okay, well, we'll
[3:16:37] have to spend it."
[3:16:38] >> So, it'll start to replenish.
[3:16:40] >> Mhm. It will start to replenish
[3:16:42] >> as long as nothing major comes in two or
[3:16:44] three years.
[3:16:44] >> Yeah.
[3:16:46] There's that's probably our biggest
[3:16:49] neglected utility.
[3:16:52] Some of these old
[3:16:55] no exaggeration 60 70 80 years and
[3:16:58] they're starting to decay
[3:16:59] >> in front of my house.
[3:17:02] >> Your boat's on the list.
[3:17:04] >> Well, it's sinking. Okay. In my front
[3:17:07] yard, I can guarantee you that pipe down
[3:17:10] there that was put in
[3:17:13] 62 years ago. There's one down by the
[3:17:15] cemetery that didn't you say is pretty
[3:17:17] well rusted through?
[3:17:18] >> Yeah, it is rusted right
[3:17:21] there on 51 the same when it crosses
[3:17:25] again. We patch that same pole every
[3:17:27] year.
[3:17:30] » So those two things right there just
[3:17:33] like I mean just throwing a rough off
[3:17:35] the cuff number those could be million
[3:17:36] dollar projects to put that big of a box
[3:17:39] culbert all the way across the road
[3:17:41] [clears throat]
[3:17:42] temp all the utilities and get them back
[3:17:44] across there. It could be a big
[3:17:47] expensive project.
[3:17:49] >> So, the moral of the story is we're
[3:17:51] going to have to somehow fund the storm
[3:17:54] water fund
[3:17:56] with additional funds, maybe possibly
[3:17:59] from the general fund unless anybody's
[3:18:01] got any other great ideas.
[3:18:04] >> One thing too to kind of think about
[3:18:06] with Storm Drain,
[3:18:08] um we're pretty good at getting the
[3:18:10] developers as they come along to do
[3:18:12] their part.
[3:18:14] They're dumping their new infrastructure
[3:18:16] into stuff that's really old. And when
[3:18:19] we increase that flow after two or three
[3:18:23] subdivisions, we need to do some work on
[3:18:25] the existing. And we've never really had
[3:18:27] the ability to do that.
[3:18:30] >> It isn't their it isn't necessarily
[3:18:33] their obligation to take it all the way
[3:18:35] to the discharge point. If they're
[3:18:37] dumping it into a slooh or a ditch that
[3:18:39] exists, we should be upgrading those as
[3:18:42] we go.
[3:18:43] I think that's where that impact fee
[3:18:45] when we get that in. We can't use that
[3:18:47] >> if it increases capacity. So the big
[3:18:50] thing with that is you would have to say
[3:18:52] okay what would it cost us to just
[3:18:55] replace that item? Okay. Now what is the
[3:19:01] increased capacity portion? And usually
[3:19:03] your engineers will calculate that and
[3:19:06] they'll say
[3:19:06] >> be a huge amount of increase though.
[3:19:08] Does it?
[3:19:09] >> No. No. I mean, you could go from an 8
[3:19:11] in pipe to a 10in pipe, just to throw an
[3:19:14] example out. And the additional cost to
[3:19:16] move it to 10 in would be impact be
[3:19:19] eligible. The 8 in would not. So, it's
[3:19:22] increased capacity. It's not the whole
[3:19:24] project, just the portion that increases
[3:19:26] capacity.
[3:19:28] So, that's the best way to explain
[3:19:30] those.
[3:19:31] >> Yeah. So, the downside is we haven't
[3:19:33] done that for so long.
[3:19:38] in it's $100, but to do the 10 in it's
[3:19:42] 300,000. So
[3:19:44] >> that's right.
[3:19:45] >> Sure. [laughter]
[3:19:48] >> You get the engineer to write it.
[3:19:51] [laughter]
[3:19:52] >> No, but I mean there might be there
[3:19:53] genuinely might be some larger scale
[3:19:56] cost because you're gonna, you know, you
[3:19:57] go to the bigger pup, you're going to
[3:19:58] bigger everything.
[3:19:59] >> Yeah. You got to dig the whole thing up.
[3:20:02] >> Yeah.
[3:20:03] So the thing is is I think the
[3:20:06] direction I need to know is do we want
[3:20:09] to just keep understand that we need I
[3:20:13] like8 $8 that's $2 more a month. That's
[3:20:17] not a huge amount. Is everybody okay
[3:20:20] with leaving that around there? Is that
[3:20:22] the direction I should go?
[3:20:23] >> So how much does it change if you go
[3:20:25] from 6 to 9?
[3:20:27] >> From 6 to 9 we can certainly figure that
[3:20:29] out.
[3:20:30] >> One thing while she's doing that so that
[3:20:32] project the 800,000.
[3:20:36] The only urgency I would say with that
[3:20:39] is if we lose the participation from the
[3:20:43] developer,
[3:20:44] >> then we're on the hook to fix the whole
[3:20:46] thing labor and pipe. So could
[3:20:50] essentially like double in cost if we
[3:20:52] lose the developer participation.
[3:20:54] >> How was that?
[3:20:56] >> Yeah. Is that contracted?
[3:21:02] Well, he's on his last phase.
[3:21:09] » This is Robert.
[3:21:10] >> He started his last phase now
[3:21:14] just
[3:21:16] >> but I mean that was his agreement. So is
[3:21:18] that contractual binding? I mean do we
[3:21:20] or was that just a handshake?
[3:21:22] >> No, it's in his developers.
[3:21:25] >> It's not
[3:21:27] % specific as far as he has some
[3:21:31] questions but Jared
[3:21:35] emails from Tracy Allen that pretty well
[3:21:37] solidify what he was he did he did bring
[3:21:39] up one point there's a portion of it
[3:21:41] that I don't think he's should be liable
[3:21:44] to supply the labor on that we may have
[3:21:48] to
[3:21:49] you know pay labor on
[3:21:53] and the benefit that that he got from
[3:21:57] What we didn't make him do far exceeds
[3:21:59] the cost that he gave the mayor that
[3:22:01] it's going to cost him to put the pipe
[3:22:03] in. So
[3:22:05] >> a lot
[3:22:11] Jared probably wouldn't have even
[3:22:13] [clears throat] worked.
[3:22:14] >> We couldn't get it to work. That's why
[3:22:15] we ended up doing that improvement.
[3:22:19] We could never get his detention bas.
[3:22:41] » If we went to nine, it's 311.
[3:22:44] That basically gives us 223.
[3:22:52] But I mean, are we doing too many?
[3:22:54] >> Yeah, that's what I'm think.
[3:22:57] But at the end, we're going to look at
[3:22:58] this and go, we just did $30.
[3:22:59] >> I got $2 this year next year.
[3:23:04] >> Okay, let's let's go that route then. I
[3:23:07] think that's going to be our better.
[3:23:11] And I mean eight is not
[3:23:15] I I haven't looked for a while but I
[3:23:17] know that eight is not out of line. So
[3:23:22] at the end of this school year 27 we're
[3:23:24] looking about 187 fund balances.
[3:23:27] >> Just so you're fully aware.
[3:23:28] >> Did you just go I thought I just said
[3:23:30] you just go 6 to8 and then you went six
[3:23:32] to eight again.
[3:23:36] I had it couple different
[3:23:40] >> but then when the next
[3:23:44] would go from eight if we up to two
[3:23:46] again
[3:23:49] >> but that being the following year. Yeah.
[3:23:51] And we'll address that when it comes
[3:23:52] down [clears throat] to the same
[3:24:01] » Okay. Okay. But just so you're aware,
[3:24:04] you know, that definitely is hurting on
[3:24:05] the fund balance. So basically, you
[3:24:08] know, we're not going to be able to plan
[3:24:09] any projects really out of there for a
[3:24:11] while is what I'm trying to get.
[3:24:13] >> But this is something we needed. So it's
[3:24:14] kind of one of those things, right?
[3:24:16] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's just one of those
[3:24:17] things, but I want the council full
[3:24:20] disclosure, you know,
[3:24:23] >> transfers fund.
[3:24:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's if we don't put any
[3:24:27] money into it from the fund.
[3:24:29] >> That's if we don't have any growth.
[3:24:31] >> Yeah.
[3:24:33] So
[3:24:35] >> that's my pessimistic
[3:24:38] >> approach. [laughter]
[3:24:39] >> Worst case scenario, we have a surplus
[3:24:40] of money is what I just said.
[3:24:42] >> Yeah.
[3:24:42] >> Even though
[3:24:44] [laughter] we're still not a project.
[3:24:46] >> Yeah.
[3:24:47] >> Yep.
[3:24:48] >> Okay.
[3:24:50] >> We'll get to the [clears throat] fun
[3:24:51] one. Jared, you ready for this one?
[3:24:54] >> Sure.
[3:24:57] [laughter]
[3:24:58] >> How'd you know, Ryan?
[3:25:02] lucky guess.
[3:25:08] » It is going to be
[3:25:13] » Let's start with five or
[3:25:16] >> Yeah,
[3:25:18] >> we're going to jump between four and
[3:25:20] five.
[3:25:23] >> You know, let's just start with section
[3:25:24] four.
[3:25:27] » You don't get the pretty colors first.
[3:25:32] the sewer.
[3:25:37] » Sewer.
[3:25:40] >> Okay.
[3:25:42] So, I'll go through where I'm at with
[3:25:45] everything with it and then
[3:25:47] >> can we start by identifying what the TNT
[3:25:49] checklist is.
[3:25:50] >> Oh, yes. Thank you.
[3:25:54] >> Be on the [clears throat] straight and
[3:25:55] narrow.
[3:25:55] >> It's like a scavenger hunt.
[3:25:56] >> It is. It's fun, huh? I did that on
[3:25:59] purpose.
[3:26:00] >> [laughter]
[3:26:02] >> uh finance charge.
[3:26:09] Okay.
[3:26:13] » She's so good. [laughter]
[3:26:17] Okay. Um,
[3:26:20] so first off though, if we're going to
[3:26:23] charge that um fee
[3:26:26] instead of paper bill fee, I'm going to
[3:26:28] put in here
[3:26:30] credit card processing fee.
[3:26:36] And we'll have to get better numbers on
[3:26:38] this.
[3:26:41] » Yeah.
[3:26:46] twice as much.
[3:26:48] [clears throat]
[3:26:49] >> But but they but last year they did a
[3:26:51] truth and taxation and they were one
[3:26:52] that didn't get it.
[3:26:54] >> So they're not doing it this year. But I
[3:26:56] think we're just catching up from what
[3:26:58] they
[3:27:00] >> How come if they because the way I just
[3:27:02] understood this was if we don't do it
[3:27:05] that it goes down goes down goes down.
[3:27:07] How come they don't do it goes up? Their
[3:27:12] revenue doesn't go up for their property
[3:27:14] tax portion, but their collection fee
[3:27:17] portion.
[3:27:18] >> They didn't get any property tax.
[3:27:23] » So, this as a city, we can't just charge
[3:27:24] a fee as a city. So, it doesn't work.
[3:27:27] >> You can charge fees, but you have to
[3:27:31] Yeah, you have to have a backbone behind
[3:27:33] it,
[3:27:34] >> which is something we could entertain at
[3:27:36] some point in time. I'm not saying you
[3:27:38] want to do it this year when you're
[3:27:39] doing truth and taxation, but you can do
[3:27:41] a transportation fee.
[3:27:44] >> I've heard it's just
[3:27:46] >> not worth it though.
[3:27:47] >> Yeah. And you charge an imp or a utility
[3:27:51] charge for the driving down your roads.
[3:27:59] » It was at first.
[3:28:01] >> Yeah.
[3:28:03] >> Oh, yeah. I've gone through implementing
[3:28:05] it and it's not my favorite thing.
[3:28:07] explain to the people. It's that
[3:28:09] difficult. I don't want to be like
[3:28:13] I don't like that. I don't like that
[3:28:14] idea.
[3:28:15] >> And you have to have a backbone as to
[3:28:18] how you calculate that fee
[3:28:20] >> for the state auditor. And I believe a
[3:28:23] lot of places are just having people do
[3:28:25] having like JUB do a study for it to
[3:28:29] calculate it because it's just so so
[3:28:31] fun.
[3:28:32] >> Sorry,
[3:28:32] >> you're fine.
[3:28:33] >> But the reason it's different
[3:28:48] just on the sewer.
[3:28:49] >> So, we're just on the sewer, which is
[3:28:51] tab four.
[3:28:53] [clears throat]
[3:28:57] » Okay.
[3:28:59] So, we're estimating impact fees. again
[3:29:04] impact fees. You know what they're used
[3:29:06] for? They're restricted. I won't go into
[3:29:08] all that again.
[3:29:10] Um
[3:29:11] so our sewer rate, what we basically
[3:29:14] came up with was um the city increasing
[3:29:19] it by about 6.25%.
[3:29:22] And I'll go into that calculation in a
[3:29:24] minute. Just humor me through because I
[3:29:26] think you have to get the whole picture
[3:29:28] to understand where we're coming at with
[3:29:30] sewer. Hopefully it'll make sense at the
[3:29:32] end.
[3:29:34] Um, so we have a little bit of grant
[3:29:37] revenue left over that we've set aside
[3:29:39] for years and years and years. Um, we
[3:29:44] budgeted for it this year, but I don't
[3:29:46] think we're going to end up using it.
[3:29:48] So, we'll budget for it this next year.
[3:29:53] » ARP,
[3:29:55] >> but we're not allowed to call it ARPA
[3:29:56] money. Okay, that
[3:29:59] [laughter]
[3:30:00] >> it's going to be way more than 52.
[3:30:03] [clears throat]
[3:30:04] >> Maybe we won't have it then.
[3:30:10] » Should we take it off?
[3:30:13] Okay, we'll take it off. We can always
[3:30:15] put it back.
[3:30:16] >> We don't we're going to get to that
[3:30:18] project.
[3:30:19] >> The deteriorating manifold that we're
[3:30:22] working on as we speak.
[3:30:23] >> Oh, are you now? Okay. Oh, that's right.
[3:30:26] We did say that this afternoon.
[3:30:28] >> So, yeah, that's already going to be
[3:30:29] spent.
[3:30:30] >> Our biggest problem, we got the manual
[3:30:31] figured out, but we've got to bypass all
[3:30:33] the seage.
[3:30:35] >> Yeah. Okay, let's come back to that in
[3:30:38] just two seconds. So, now we have all of
[3:30:41] our expenses, our utilities,
[3:30:44] um, central Weaver Sewer District.
[3:30:46] Whatever we collect here, we match it to
[3:30:49] the expense in out. So, we're just
[3:30:53] trying to pass through theirs is it and
[3:30:56] it has broke out on the utility bills
[3:30:58] now. So, that's a good thing. Um, a
[3:31:01] little bit of accounting attorney.
[3:31:04] Uh,
[3:31:06] we won't be able to use that.
[3:31:09] [clears throat]
[3:31:10] Okay.
[3:31:12] Um, we've got some engineering fees,
[3:31:15] merchant fees,
[3:31:18] information technology.
[3:31:23] What's that?
[3:31:28] » 5100.
[3:31:34] » Yeah, I took it off just now.
[3:31:36] >> Yeah, cuz we're doing it now. I thought
[3:31:38] we weren't going to get it done,
[3:31:40] >> but me and Jared just talked today and
[3:31:43] he put me in place.
[3:31:45] >> He put me back on track. [laughter]
[3:31:48] So, okay. uh system maintenance,
[3:31:52] equipment.
[3:31:54] Um a big chunk of that is depreciation,
[3:31:57] which I think I've explained
[3:31:58] depreciation before. Anybody want me to
[3:32:01] explain it? You good? Okay. Trust me on
[3:32:04] it. Okay. [snorts] Uh salaries and
[3:32:06] wages. [clears throat]
[3:32:07] So then we have our loan payment which
[3:32:10] is 535 next year. And then we have this
[3:32:13] big number that $2 million capital
[3:32:15] projects. Let's dig into that so we can
[3:32:18] fully understand where we are at.
[3:32:22] I'm gonna kind of let Jared
[3:32:24] explain
[3:32:27] our long-term project. So, it should be
[3:32:29] on the next tab. Tab five.
[3:32:35] » Mhm.
[3:32:37] >> So, longterm capital.
[3:32:39] >> Yes.
[3:32:41] Okay. So, right now, and Jared, if you
[3:32:44] want to stop and add to these, please
[3:32:46] do.
[3:32:46] >> Okay.
[3:32:47] >> Um, we went through the pump at um, is
[3:32:51] that one still the landing pump?
[3:32:53] >> That first redone.
[3:32:55] Basically, we try to size it so that we
[3:32:57] need a spare that when something goes
[3:32:59] wrong, we just pull it out and put the
[3:33:01] working and whatever one we took out.
[3:33:07] [cough] Keep a spare. It says upper
[3:33:10] landings leg they actually fit. We need
[3:33:13] two sizes and they fit multiple just
[3:33:16] kind of whatever one breaks down. So the
[3:33:18] hooker landings like you could change
[3:33:20] but we had two redundant pumps as of a
[3:33:24] month ago. They're both in service as we
[3:33:26] speak. So out of our
[3:33:30] >> So that note says 22 pumps possible
[3:33:33] every year. So what what does that mean?
[3:33:35] 22 pumps total there. We're possibly
[3:33:38] putting one a year. We're just kind of
[3:33:40] projecting out 20 one each year.
[3:33:43] >> How what is the life of a pump 20 years?
[3:33:48] >> They're usually rated on our electric
[3:33:50] pumps that are hard to say. I mean, some
[3:33:53] of them are original and still
[3:33:54] functioning. The one that went down last
[3:33:57] week was the one that we replaced
[3:33:59] already.
[3:33:59] >> Oh, really?
[3:34:00] >> And we're hoping it's under warranty.
[3:34:02] >> That's what I was going to ask. They're
[3:34:03] going to warrant them.
[3:34:06] >> Yeah.
[3:34:07] Uh some of the pumps in the vacuum
[3:34:10] station are rated at $20,000
[3:34:11] [clears throat] and they've got like 37
[3:34:14] 38,000 on them.
[3:34:16] >> So realistically, we probably need to
[3:34:18] budget to replace one a year.
[3:34:20] >> Yeah.
[3:34:20] >> Just so that we don't end up owing five
[3:34:23] a year in one year.
[3:34:25] >> Yeah, that's my question. Because if
[3:34:26] you've got them like
[3:34:28] 20,000 hours and we know we're already
[3:34:29] at 30 something thousand, like do we in
[3:34:32] my mind I see this in like a spreadsheet
[3:34:33] and we can go all right here's these 15
[3:34:35] that are past their life cycle
[3:34:38] >> and at any point we could have three or
[3:34:39] four of those go out and break budget.
[3:34:41] >> I think our our goal here was to chip
[3:34:44] away at it raising
[3:34:46] >> Yeah. I mean, when we came up with this
[3:34:48] originally last year, we said,
[3:34:50] "Everything's an emergency."
[3:34:53] Jared's [clears throat] sitting there
[3:34:54] like, "Well, it's all breaking. Where do
[3:34:56] I start?" And I says, "Give me numbers.
[3:34:58] Give me a list of everything you can
[3:35:01] come up with and then let's try and put
[3:35:03] it over the next 5 years and see where
[3:35:05] we're at." And then we said, "Oh crap,
[3:35:08] now we got to change this thought and
[3:35:11] rethink it and keep going." And this is
[3:35:13] totally meant to be moving. You know,
[3:35:15] it's a moving target. This is just a
[3:35:17] best guess to say, oh, if if we we don't
[3:35:21] want to come up with five million in one
[3:35:24] year, you know,
[3:35:26] >> $2 million sewer fee hanging over our
[3:35:27] head.
[3:35:28] >> Yeah.
[3:35:28] >> Exactly. So, okay. Vacuum.
[3:35:32] >> Kind of one of those things. I mean, say
[3:35:33] we bought hoping to get two with that
[3:35:36] 50,000. If they both go out, I'm
[3:35:39] probably going to be asking you to get
[3:35:40] another redundant one because
[3:35:43] >> what do we do?
[3:35:46] But we hope we can get those to last
[3:35:49] until we get to the next cycle.
[3:35:51] >> How long does it take to get one in?
[3:35:54] >> The last one was about six months.
[3:35:58] >> That That's something that's really
[3:35:59] changed in my career. When I first
[3:36:01] started, we first got in the sewer
[3:36:03] business, we could take one of our pumps
[3:36:05] over to OGman and have it repaired in
[3:36:07] about a week. Now you send them in and
[3:36:10] if you hear back what's wrong with them
[3:36:12] in a couple of months then they order
[3:36:14] parts for a couple of months.
[3:36:17] >> Didn't you say there's only one
[3:36:19] [clears throat]
[3:36:20] services there?
[3:36:21] >> Oh, there's there's a few.
[3:36:26] » Then we have the vacuum pump exchange.
[3:36:29] We've got three each year that we're
[3:36:33] trying to do. One, two, three for the
[3:36:35] next three years and then to one. So
[3:36:38] this year we did three, we're trying to
[3:36:40] do next year three, the next year three,
[3:36:42] and then we'll just back off to one a
[3:36:43] year to maintain is what the thought is.
[3:36:46] Hoping that we can, you know, if we
[3:36:49] don't have to replace one one year,
[3:36:50] great. You know, but this is just kind
[3:36:52] of a projection to try and do what we
[3:36:55] can to get the system up.
[3:36:58] >> And we're in a lot better position now
[3:37:00] that before [clears throat]
[3:37:02] we couldn't afford to be out on one of
[3:37:04] them. Now we can have to service it or
[3:37:08] replace it. So, we're in a lot better
[3:37:12] liability position now, but we just need
[3:37:14] to those next two years exchanges are
[3:37:17] the original equipment. So, once we get
[3:37:19] through those two years, we'll be kind
[3:37:22] of caught up on our exchange program. So
[3:37:25] maybe we could back off and do every
[3:37:26] other year, but there very well could be
[3:37:29] something that else that takes that much
[3:37:32] as I was uh always surprised.
[3:37:37] So uh we've got a vacuum sewer swing arm
[3:37:42] valve replacement.
[3:37:46] Sorry about my spelling.
[3:37:48] Um 7700
[3:37:52] uh BOF filters 25,000. When you got
[3:37:56] those pretty much need to do those,
[3:37:58] right?
[3:37:59] >> Yeah. That's basically a bar filter that
[3:38:02] takes the smell from the vacuum. We're
[3:38:05] sucking out of there. It just decays
[3:38:08] like wood and we have to replace it
[3:38:11] every so often.
[3:38:13] >> And there's three of them. So that's the three
[3:38:17] >> stations.
[3:38:18] >> And then this was one that was brought
[3:38:20] up to me this morning. Everything in
[3:38:22] yellow's kind of new this morning.
[3:38:26] EVR circulation fan. There's three to
[3:38:29] replace
[3:38:30] and that's a really big need.
[3:38:34] Wet [snorts] well fan.
[3:38:37] Um 15,000.
[3:38:39] >> So do we just realize that those are
[3:38:40] needs or like what made that just now
[3:38:42] get put on this? just broke down since
[3:38:46] we've last put the list together.
[3:38:50] >> I think that was kind of like one thing
[3:38:52] leads to another that the reason those
[3:38:55] manhold are dictates from H2S gas
[3:38:59] these fans are what keeps the air moving
[3:39:01] and keeps that rest of our system. So
[3:39:05] fairly important.
[3:39:06] >> Yeah, I was what do we do like in those
[3:39:09] areas? Are there any residential
[3:39:12] concerns like we're not
[3:39:14] gases.
[3:39:15] >> No, it's in the system.
[3:39:18] >> They just can't go out of just doing one
[3:39:20] year and taking three years or we hope.
[3:39:24] Yeah,
[3:39:27] >> we know one's broke down right now. So
[3:39:29] that's the one in year 27 and then
[3:39:34] hopefully the other ones last until next
[3:39:36] year at least. plug valve replacement.
[3:39:41] Vac station VFD replacement.
[3:39:45] This is a Alan Bailey PLC replacement
[3:39:49] upgrade 75.
[3:39:51] >> What's that? Tell me about that.
[3:39:52] >> So that that's the main control panel
[3:39:54] that runs the whole vacuum station and
[3:39:57] there we used to have an old guy that
[3:40:00] helped us named retired. [clears throat]
[3:40:02] He was only like 85, but he's like I'm
[3:40:06] done. And he says you guys
[3:40:08] He says everything in here is obsolete.
[3:40:10] So we've
[3:40:12] >> so we had
[3:40:13] >> those
[3:40:14] >> all in the last year we found out that
[3:40:18] we're probably going to have to spit
[3:40:20] split it between the two years. So we
[3:40:21] have we'll pay or we have paid 75.
[3:40:26] >> We'll pay another 75 when it's done
[3:40:29] and then we'll pay the balance when it's
[3:40:31] completed but the project start
[3:40:34] >> but it won't be done before June 30th.
[3:40:37] So, um, this is a power transfer switch
[3:40:42] for emergency generators.
[3:40:45] Um,
[3:40:46] >> what's the AT&T checklist?
[3:40:48] >> Good question.
[3:40:50] >> You're on that. I love it.
[3:40:52] >> We have some next year again, we're just
[3:40:55] hoping they will last another like even
[3:40:58] with that, you know, we do the 25 now.
[3:41:01] >> Yeah. So, the power transfer switch at
[3:41:04] north has failed. So if we power outage,
[3:41:08] it'll still notify us. We'll just have
[3:41:10] to go transfer it manually.
[3:41:14] The other ones are the same age. So, but
[3:41:16] they haven't failed yet.
[3:41:28] » Oh, right there.
[3:41:31] >> Like we are waiting for a failure.
[3:41:34] I'm not being serious here. We don't
[3:41:36] have anything that's really just update.
[3:41:39] We're replacing it as it breaks.
[3:41:41] >> For us being as young of a modern city,
[3:41:43] like 20 years old, it is pretty
[3:41:45] surprising. Like, you know what I mean?
[3:41:46] Like, we're not an old city and for
[3:41:48] everything to be this deteriorated out
[3:41:49] of old city.
[3:41:52] >> If I had one thing in my career to do
[3:41:56] not do vacuum,
[3:41:58] >> why don't
[3:42:01] >> Well, and it is really a tribute to our
[3:42:03] guys that the pump is supposed to
[3:42:06] and our gone or 20,000 gone 36. I mean,
[3:42:10] we
[3:42:12] >> care.
[3:42:14] >> But it's a little scary when one starts
[3:42:16] falling and they're all the same age.
[3:42:19] >> You can anticipate the rest.
[3:42:22] >> Yeah.
[3:42:23] >> Have we
[3:42:24] sure we have
[3:42:27] we looked at
[3:42:29] I mean the original reason for the
[3:42:30] vacuum system was because the water
[3:42:32] table was so high all that stuff. put it
[3:42:35] in the time.
[3:42:35] >> Have we looked at what it would cost us
[3:42:37] to go to a gravity feed system?
[3:42:40] >> 20 years from now, we're going to be
[3:42:41] doing this again.
[3:42:42] >> Not in debt. Just we still owe 8 million
[3:42:45] on this system.
[3:42:47] >> So, we still have to pay that and then
[3:42:50] you basically be starting over again
[3:42:52] with it.
[3:42:55] We still in this original system
[3:42:59] >> but I'm just thinking like we're gonna
[3:43:01] every
[3:43:02] >> you know so often end up with this $2
[3:43:03] million we're pay
[3:43:07] abandoning it and paying the loan still
[3:43:09] >> million we owe.
[3:43:10] >> I mean I I guess the scope of that
[3:43:12] [clears throat] would basically be relay
[3:43:14] all the mains in the street and then new
[3:43:17] to every home and rec they could use
[3:43:20] their lateral coming out of the road.
[3:43:22] have to reconnect. Did it be a project
[3:43:25] like tens of millions?
[3:43:27] >> Okay, that's what I'm asking because I'm
[3:43:29] just thinking in my mind if every year
[3:43:30] we're paying $10 million to keep this
[3:43:32] thing up.
[3:43:33] >> So, you know, five years it's 10 million
[3:43:35] or it's 10 million now.
[3:43:36] >> One one thing we have come up with
[3:43:39] different plans instead of expanding it.
[3:43:43] [cough]
[3:43:44] There is some infill within those zones,
[3:43:47] you know, that we're still adding new
[3:43:49] vacuum, but we're not building new
[3:43:51] vacuum stations.
[3:43:54] I
[3:43:54] >> mean, we could we could have J tell us
[3:43:56] what it cost to converting
[3:44:03] if we still didn't hold that six and a
[3:44:05] half million. If we were just starting
[3:44:07] from nothing, then it might be, but then
[3:44:10] we're still having to pay the 550,000
[3:44:14] bond. I It's not a bond. It was a
[3:44:16] interestree loan. But we have to pay
[3:44:19] that every year.
[3:44:22] » Can somebody
[3:44:24] $6 million?
[3:44:25] >> Any any chance of like tying this into
[3:44:28] the one that's going in Davis County
[3:44:31] down there? Because we had already
[3:44:32] talked a little bit
[3:44:34] Um, not we're not going to expand the
[3:44:36] vacuum system,
[3:44:38] >> but is there any potential down the road
[3:44:40] we could shoot some of that the other
[3:44:42] way?
[3:44:43] >> The whole system of how it's collected.
[3:44:57] » Yeah. Okay.
[3:45:00] So,
[3:45:02] um, where was I even at? put [laughter]
[3:45:04] that into the back station.
[3:45:07] >> Okay, there we go. 450.
[3:45:09] >> What was the other other major upgrade?
[3:45:12] >> Oh, it was 150 and we just were using it
[3:45:15] for over here [clears throat] in these
[3:45:17] uh fiscal year 30 and 31 just kind of as
[3:45:20] a placeholder.
[3:45:20] >> The last is still the
[3:45:24] control.
[3:45:25] >> Is that the air conditioning?
[3:45:27] >> Yes.
[3:45:28] >> The next one down there. So that should
[3:45:31] be uh roughly around 50,000 each times
[3:45:37] the three. No up where it's yellow.
[3:45:40] >> Oh, that one.
[3:45:42] >> Yeah, it should be around a total
[3:45:44] although HBAC
[3:45:47] a lot of them's taken a 12% increase
[3:45:50] from the tariffs that Trump just put on.
[3:45:53] So, I don't know if you want to go
[3:45:57] 55
[3:45:59] probably.
[3:46:01] >> Go 60.
[3:46:02] >> We haven't put it out to bid yet.
[3:46:04] >> No, but Larry's already talked to
[3:46:05] somebody and I've already talked to
[3:46:07] somebody that figures we can do it for
[3:46:08] 50.
[3:46:09] >> They're commercial, but
[3:46:10] >> and they're grade 20 ton heavy duty
[3:46:14] units
[3:46:15] >> and they've seen our specs and
[3:46:17] everything.
[3:46:18] >> They're just aware of what we need and
[3:46:21] you know would be put.
[3:46:24] >> So, have you got the specs? Yeah.
[3:46:26] >> Uh, we're narrowing them down. We did a
[3:46:28] review and sent them back and I think
[3:46:30] this coming week should see some
[3:46:35] >> Oh, they had to come out and see if we
[3:46:36] had enough power at this station.
[3:46:40] >> He's still calculating. He came out and
[3:46:43] looked at everything
[3:46:44] >> because the estimates that we got did
[3:46:47] not include
[3:46:49] >> running off. I think that number there
[3:46:51] was like the Worst case
[3:46:53] >> worst case scenario. They think it'll
[3:46:55] come in.
[3:46:56] >> That'd be a pretty bad case.
[3:46:58] >> Yeah.
[3:47:00] >> Um got to go back and change that 15.
[3:47:05] >> Um well, I did 60. Oh, right here. Yeah,
[3:47:08] I can change that.
[3:47:10] >> Oh, yeah.
[3:47:12] >> Yeah. We know these guys are both of
[3:47:14] them are industrial
[3:47:16] guys that do this crap for a living. So,
[3:47:24] Yeah, but those vacuum pumps put off.
[3:47:26] It's like four furnaces running in
[3:47:28] there.
[3:47:30] >> I I would guarantee you that a 20 ton
[3:47:33] would keep that down to 70° if you
[3:47:36] wanted it to
[3:47:38] >> 20 ton. Yes.
[3:47:39] >> Yeah,
[3:47:40] >> that's what we've both been discussing
[3:47:42] with our guys and they just won't expect
[3:47:45] so that they can [clears throat] give us
[3:47:47] something. So, I'm fairly confident
[3:47:49] we're going to pull that off for, you
[3:47:51] know, 180,000 versus 450,000.
[3:47:55] >> Okay.
[3:47:56] >> I wonder if we should just cut it in
[3:47:57] half, though, till we get the specs and
[3:47:59] make sure. We don't want to underdo it
[3:48:01] and then have it be more and then we're
[3:48:03] be thinking where are we getting the
[3:48:04] money?
[3:48:05] >> Either way, I think they'll have to
[3:48:06] approve the contract. So,
[3:48:08] >> yeah,
[3:48:09] >> they got to it when they approve it. We
[3:48:11] can
[3:48:12] >> they would just plug in a number in
[3:48:13] there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[3:48:16] >> Best guess. I mean, that's
[3:48:18] >> that's somewhere over the rainbow.
[3:48:20] >> Yeah. Uh our first main along West
[3:48:22] Haven, 1 million, but
[3:48:26] were thinking that was still pretty
[3:48:28] good.
[3:48:28] >> Yeah,
[3:48:28] >> probably.
[3:48:29] >> Uh manhole bypass. We were thinking
[3:48:32] about 200 this year and about 130 next
[3:48:35] year with that.
[3:48:38] >> That confuses me a lot. I thought we
[3:48:41] already talked about that.
[3:48:42] >> I thought we did, too. I'm sitting here
[3:48:43] questioning that now.
[3:48:46] >> That was that one that we had the grant.
[3:48:48] It showed the grant money and we had
[3:48:50] like 56,000 or something to help
[3:48:55] >> that's what this bypasses the north.
[3:48:58] >> So we probably just need that 200 there.
[3:49:00] Not the
[3:49:04] me.
[3:49:06] >> So there three of them. The one at the
[3:49:09] north is
[3:49:11] sticking through the
[3:49:13] You can smell them.
[3:49:15] >> I thought that was cows.
[3:49:17] >> The other two [laughter] need to be done
[3:49:19] but not nearly as bad. So I think the
[3:49:22] bigger number is for all of them and the
[3:49:25] other number was for the north.
[3:49:28] But the problem we have is the low and
[3:49:30] the tan pump to the north and then pump
[3:49:33] up the force me. So we've got to deal
[3:49:36] with that sewage that comes about every
[3:49:38] 10 minutes while we redo that manhole.
[3:49:42] really fast.
[3:49:44] [laughter]
[3:49:50] » It's a real concern, but I think
[3:49:52] Darren's got
[3:49:54] figured out. I think we're we're going
[3:49:55] to get it done here soon. So, we've
[3:49:57] already contacted the man. He's ready to
[3:50:01] go. So,
[3:50:03] should be in good shape.
[3:50:04] >> Okay. So, we keep the 200 this year and
[3:50:07] 130 for next year, right? Okay.
[3:50:13] So,
[3:50:14] >> actually, we're we're not going to get
[3:50:17] to all of them this year.
[3:50:20] >> We'll get the one in the north done
[3:50:22] before the end of this budget year. The
[3:50:25] other two are still going to have to
[3:50:26] come.
[3:50:27] >> So, you think this needs to be
[3:50:35] » Good thing I use formulas, Jared.
[3:50:40] Didn't we have do we have money in there
[3:50:42] if we get that finished this year? That
[3:50:44] 130,000. Do we have that in our budget
[3:50:46] >> because we budgeted 100 or 200?
[3:50:49] >> Okay.
[3:50:54] So, that being said,
[3:50:57] if I look at our income minus our
[3:51:00] expenses, our total decrease in fund
[3:51:02] balance would be 1.9. I like to back out
[3:51:06] depreciation and say what's our real
[3:51:08] cash effect. That's 1.4 deficit.
[3:51:14] Okay. So, if you go to your other page,
[3:51:17] which it's going to show a different
[3:51:18] amount because we changed a few things
[3:51:20] there, but if you look at the next tab, six, you'll see that I have this
[3:51:26] unrestricted cash projection. This is
[3:51:29] just a projection. best um way I've
[3:51:32] figured out to kind of try and say where
[3:51:34] are we gonna be
[3:51:37] >> um I think it's under tab
[3:51:40] >> is it tab five
[3:51:42] >> oh okay
[3:51:43] >> oh yep tab five
[3:51:47] >> and it's that last page or the one
[3:51:49] behind the uh sewer long-term capital
[3:51:53] sorry I was looking after you [laughter]
[3:51:56] >> last one maybe next
[3:51:57] >> the second to last it's the it's the two
[3:52:00] pretty colored pages with all my blues
[3:52:02] and
[3:52:04] uh greens and pinks.
[3:52:09] » And like I said, my numbers aren't going
[3:52:10] to tie up to yours exactly because we
[3:52:12] made some changes. So just keep in mind,
[3:52:15] but this is a basic. So basically what
[3:52:18] I've done is I've said here's our
[3:52:19] unrestricted cash as of March. This is
[3:52:22] what income I suspect we're going to
[3:52:24] have remaining coming in in fiscal year
[3:52:27] 26. expenses going out um subtotal
[3:52:33] capital projects
[3:52:36] um funds going out and then our loan
[3:52:39] funds going out. So our total
[3:52:43] um fund balance
[3:52:57] » did that include the appreciation.
[3:53:01] >> Yeah.
[3:53:07] » Okay. So, we have 104 in capital
[3:53:11] projects this year. [clears throat]
[3:53:14] Um loan balances.
[3:53:18] So, we're at a total of 225.
[3:53:22] Some other
[3:53:22] >> the loan payment that's the 95 versus
[3:53:25] our loan payment that we paid. That's
[3:53:26] what's remaining to be paid this year
[3:53:29] because it's two payments months. Yeah.
[3:53:31] So, this is just remaining in this year.
[3:53:34] >> So, at the first of fiscal year 27, I
[3:53:38] suspect that the fund balance would be
[3:53:40] at two 2.2.
[3:53:43] Some other income district
[3:53:46] um fee and whatever the sewer district
[3:53:48] fee is, that pays back out. So those
[3:53:51] wash
[3:53:53] our um hoofer fee income our expenses
[3:53:57] minus depreciation
[3:54:00] subtotal capital projects 1.8
[3:54:04] so a total of 608 in our fund in our
[3:54:08] cash. So we will spend down the cash
[3:54:10] from about 2.2 to 6 600 this year. Ouch.
[3:54:15] So
[3:54:17] up there at the top, uh, Central Weaver
[3:54:21] Sewer District's going to estimate a 6%
[3:54:24] increase, and we're only going to
[3:54:28] >> we're estimating a 6.25 increase is what
[3:54:31] I'm proposing,
[3:54:32] >> but we're only going to
[3:54:35] >> And that's what we're passing on.
[3:54:37] >> Yeah.
[3:54:38] >> Residents is six
[3:54:40] >> 6.2.
[3:54:43] >> Well, no.
[3:54:45] Oh, 13.
[3:54:46] >> Yeah. Okay.
[3:54:47] >> Yeah. Our fee would go up to $52
[3:54:51] is what I'm
[3:54:54] >> So, our fee right now is 48.88.
[3:54:57] >> We're going to go $3.
[3:54:59] >> Mhm. Yeah. is what I'm recommending
[3:55:03] because if we continue, what I've done
[3:55:05] is I've built into the spreadsheet that
[3:55:08] if there's a 5% expense increase with
[3:55:12] the five-year projection that I've got
[3:55:14] on there,
[3:55:16] and then also um
[3:55:20] us increasing the rates steady for the
[3:55:23] next five years instead of just hitting
[3:55:25] them all at once, just a slow steady
[3:55:28] increase to monitor it. Where would our
[3:55:31] cash balance be? And it would
[3:55:33] [clears throat] decrease as of today if
[3:55:35] we only do a 6.25%
[3:55:37] of 1.9
[3:55:43] » decrease.
[3:55:45] And we're right now at
[3:55:49] 225.
[3:55:57] I want to check my number.
[3:56:09] Yeah.
[3:56:11] >> So I mean
[3:56:14] the the long and the short
[3:56:17] is we have last year we did a 6.25. We
[3:56:22] were trying to stay consistent.
[3:56:25] However, if we stay consistent with that
[3:56:28] 6.25 25, we're going to have a decrease
[3:56:30] in fund in cash.
[3:56:32] >> Basically, at the end of 31, we're going
[3:56:34] to be in a really bad shape of only
[3:56:37] having
[3:56:38] >> 2 million at all.
[3:56:39] >> Um,
[3:56:41] >> decreasing at 1.92 million.
[3:56:44] >> So, our cash balance would basically be
[3:56:46] $845 if we only do a 6.255 increase.
[3:56:52] >> 845,000.
[3:56:54] >> Yeah. If you do a 7% increase,
[3:56:58] you're at a million. And again, you
[3:57:01] know, this is just best guess. This
[3:57:04] isn't, you know,
[3:57:07] >> 7 and a half%.
[3:57:10] » You're at least going to be
[3:57:12] >> next year because they gave us their
[3:57:15] g.
[3:57:20] So if we get this impact
[3:57:25] soon
[3:57:29] » as soon as you adapt the impact fee
[3:57:32] >> as soon as you accept that fee study
[3:57:34] >> we're anticipating this year.
[3:57:40] » Oh yeah
[3:57:42] >> but I think you know that's why we need
[3:57:44] to push to get that because you can see
[3:57:46] the importance of it.
[3:57:47] >> Did they give us a time frame?
[3:57:52] pushed them. They got some quickly
[3:57:56] pushing.
[3:57:58] >> Yeah, let's push
[3:57:59] >> push more.
[3:58:04] » So, how can he push?
[3:58:05] >> We push we push
[3:58:14] » because they told us that the new Ogden
[3:58:16] Valley City needed their enough guys on
[3:58:20] it and got done in a month.
[3:58:21] >> What the
[3:58:23] >> So 10% get that cost extra to put extra
[3:58:26] guys.
[3:58:27] >> I don't know.
[3:58:28] >> Every year.
[3:58:30] >> Yeah. So if we increase
[3:58:31] >> 10% 10% 10%,
[3:58:33] >> right? Which is by by the end of this
[3:58:36] many years, then it's essentially a
[3:58:38] total of 20.
[3:58:40] >> Yeah. So at the end of fiscal year 20 or
[3:58:44] 31, you're basically saying to the
[3:58:46] residents if the sewer district also
[3:58:48] does their 15% that um they are going to
[3:58:53] be having a $110 bill a month for their
[3:58:57] sewer system.
[3:59:00] Are you willing to swallow that?
[3:59:03] >> Better than an outhouse.
[3:59:07] >> Yeah. What are the options?
[3:59:09] an outhouse.
[3:59:10] >> Yeah, that's it.
[3:59:12] >> That's real. [laughter]
[3:59:20] » I mean, I know that's high for here, but
[3:59:25] cities that are that are expensive, you
[3:59:27] know,
[3:59:28] >> but those sewer impact fees again are
[3:59:30] only
[3:59:35] passing that on to everybody.
[3:59:38] Yeah.
[3:59:40] >> Yeah. That impact fee. I mean, I
[3:59:42] obviously you can see why I'm a big
[3:59:44] advocate for them and kind of pushed
[3:59:47] >> um last year to, you know, hey, we need
[3:59:49] to update those for multiple reasons.
[3:59:51] Number one, to help us. Number two, the
[3:59:53] state audience is requiring it.
[3:59:56] >> So, I mean, it may not be that bad, but
[3:59:59] you know, are you even willing to
[4:00:01] swallow the,
[4:00:03] you know,
[4:00:05] >> percentage for this year?
[4:00:07] So, so like Jared was just saying, you
[4:00:09] know, even at at doubling this, if we go
[4:00:12] to this 10%.
[4:00:14] >> Well, you're you're actually Sorry, I
[4:00:16] caught a thing.
[4:00:20] >> Okay.
[4:00:20] >> Why did that not Okay. Yeah. So, if you
[4:00:24] do 10% consistently,
[4:00:27] >> you're actually still a million dollar.
[4:00:30] >> Yeah. So, think about that. We're going
[4:00:31] to pay back a $6 million sewer loan.
[4:00:34] >> Mhm. We're going to dump almost two
[4:00:36] million a year into the system and then
[4:00:39] we're still coming deficit almost a
[4:00:41] million dollars by the end of 10 years.
[4:00:43] >> Five years.
[4:00:44] whatever. It's still going
[4:00:45] to still equals out to about $10 million
[4:00:47] or more. Um I mean, we're talking at
[4:00:51] least 10 on five years plus the $6
[4:00:53] million loan that we owe. $16 million. I
[4:00:57] think it might be worth looking at if
[4:00:59] there's another option.
[4:01:00] >> I'm not saying there is.
[4:01:01] >> I'm just saying ask.
[4:01:03] >> Just saying is it
[4:01:05] But where you get the cost
[4:01:09] $20 million
[4:01:11] with all the discussion and all the
[4:01:13] stuff we got going at the head of the
[4:01:15] hill, we should be able to go, hey, we
[4:01:17] want to increase, look at our budget,
[4:01:19] >> you want us to increase capacity, get
[4:01:20] affordable housing down here, help us
[4:01:22] fix this sewer problem. I mean, I feel
[4:01:24] like somebody's got to be able to do
[4:01:25] something. I don't know. This is just me
[4:01:26] not knowing anything. But I just think
[4:01:28] >> maybe
[4:01:33] » I think we find the best engineering
[4:01:35] groups in the in the universities and we
[4:01:38] prop it up as like a solve this problem
[4:01:40] and write your doctoral thesis on this
[4:01:42] in engineering
[4:01:43] >> get the team put together and
[4:01:44] crowdsource it.
[4:01:46] >> That's just me being a millennial, but
[4:01:47] that's what I think we should do.
[4:01:49] >> One thing too, I doubt the two million
[4:01:52] that we're putting in there is going to
[4:01:53] maintain. I mean, it's just
[4:01:56] Yeah, that's with no emergency.
[4:01:58] >> That's a five pump.
[4:01:59] >> Everything works like we hope.
[4:02:01] >> Well, that's what he's saying. This
[4:02:02] [clears throat] one went out and our
[4:02:04] other ones haven't, but all our other
[4:02:06] ones are as old as the one that just
[4:02:07] went out.
[4:02:09] >> I see why you said this for nearless
[4:02:11] because this is
[4:02:12] >> everything else is looking really good.
[4:02:14] their houses, they went out and get us.
[4:02:17] >> Another thing that scares me to death
[4:02:19] about this is
[4:02:21] >> we're relying on a sole source, sle
[4:02:24] proprietor company.
[4:02:26] >> What happens if everybody calls tomorrow
[4:02:28] and says we're closing down?
[4:02:32] » I don't know what the answer is, but it
[4:02:38] [clears throat]
[4:02:38] >> run into the sal like we did 70 years
[4:02:41] ago. And watch out for Swit to come
[4:02:44] after you. [laughter]
[4:02:47] » Bush, but all of the components in the
[4:02:50] pits and everything, an employee of
[4:02:52] airback owns all of the
[4:02:57] » Well, also like you said, we've got
[4:03:00] staff that we train to do this, but it's
[4:03:01] such an anomalous situation. If we lose
[4:03:04] one or two of those staff, then we don't
[4:03:06] have people trained to do it, to fix it,
[4:03:08] to work on it.
[4:03:09] >> If we lose, we're in trouble.
[4:03:12] I'm sure he's not forever.
[4:03:23] » He's still young.
[4:03:24] >> He ain't going to be around forever.
[4:03:26] [laughter]
[4:03:26] >> Be around forever. That's what I'm
[4:03:27] saying. The system itself fades. It
[4:03:29] becomes obsolete. Controls become
[4:03:31] obsolete. It's just uh we're thinking
[4:03:34] long term, but we're lasting 100 years
[4:03:36] as a city.
[4:03:40] We don't have to solve it today, but we
[4:03:42] do got to consider our generations
[4:03:43] coming
[4:03:45] soon
[4:03:52] somebody
[4:03:54] is going to come in and say we've got a
[4:03:56] disaster in place,
[4:03:58] >> you know, so
[4:04:00] money
[4:04:03] >> if
[4:04:06] that's a good point.
[4:04:08] We don't want to wait till we get to
[4:04:09] that point because then we have a mess
[4:04:12] in everybody's house.
[4:04:14] >> The weekend place goes away
[4:04:18] because everybody else use our bathroom.
[4:04:19] There you go. [laughter]
[4:04:21] >> Yeah, we figured what that cost would be
[4:04:23] everybody.
[4:04:25] >> We figure that out.
[4:04:28] >> If they go
[4:04:30] [laughter]
[4:04:32] » I don't have to
[4:04:35] put in six bays instead of two.
[4:04:39] Well, you know, we we joke about that,
[4:04:41] but I think I already mentioned to you
[4:04:43] Harrisville has 2.5 million more dollars
[4:04:47] every year in their budget with 2,000
[4:04:50] less people and less roads. They have a
[4:04:52] lot of business.
[4:04:54] >> They have a lot of business.
[4:04:55] >> Far West is the same way. I mean,
[4:04:57] Papador as mayor of Far West spent
[4:05:00] five, three or four million dollars 20
[4:05:03] years ago putting curb in sidewalking
[4:05:04] because they had to get rid of the
[4:05:06] state. But he told me Smith the Edwards
[4:05:08] by themselves 40 years ago 250 grand in
[4:05:12] point of sales tax. You know I mean
[4:05:16] there is some revenue sources out there
[4:05:18] that can help soften the blow. Ain't
[4:05:21] going to solve it but it's going to
[4:05:23] >> they're going to spend billions of
[4:05:24] dollars to refill the Great Salt Lake.
[4:05:26] What if we could treat our own sewer and
[4:05:29] dump it in there and trade and they pay
[4:05:30] for our sewer system to do it and we
[4:05:32] dump the water into the Great Salt Lake,
[4:05:34] you know, I don't know how many gallons
[4:05:36] it is, but
[4:05:37] you know, say, "Hey, we'll send it that
[4:05:39] way. We'll we'll treat it. You pay for
[4:05:41] the treatment plant."
[4:05:43] >> Well, unfortunately
[4:05:47] goes it goes to central central Weaver
[4:05:51] and they send it to the lake.
[4:05:53] >> We talked I think was mayor, they had a
[4:05:55] long range planning committee and like
[4:05:59] rather than keep on building that plant
[4:06:01] figure for us to pump it over there, why
[4:06:02] don't you build a satellite?
[4:06:06] just treat it here and send it west and
[4:06:08] then we can get out of all that pumping
[4:06:11] and that'll get the city out of planning
[4:06:13] and all the EPA regulations of doing a
[4:06:16] treat.
[4:06:19] We were still off here
[4:06:25] though because I'm on that committee and
[4:06:27] they said it would cost so much more to
[4:06:30] do that than for us to pump it there.
[4:06:32] It's not even
[4:06:35] And I'm not down to
[4:06:36] >> I'd say reach out to Mountain Green
[4:06:39] Sewer. I used to manage one of the fifth
[4:06:42] largest call centers in the United
[4:06:43] States in Clearville and we said what
[4:06:46] would it cost us to do a work from home
[4:06:47] project. Everything shut down and
[4:06:49] everybody had to work from home and we
[4:06:51] were quoted millions and millions and
[4:06:52] millions of dollars and then co hit and
[4:06:55] we handed everybody their computer and
[4:06:56] said go work from home and it cost us
[4:06:58] like $100,000 and so I think sometimes
[4:07:01] people just get these projections and
[4:07:02] they go it's going to cost too much.
[4:07:03] It's going to cost millions. We'll never
[4:07:05] be able to do it. But if everybody's
[4:07:06] toilets clogged up and we couldn't get
[4:07:08] it fixed today, I guarantee you there's
[4:07:10] some good old boys that have figured out
[4:07:11] a way.
[4:07:12] >> I mean, this whole city was built on
[4:07:13] people digging ditches. You know what I
[4:07:15] mean? I mean, I know we can come up with
[4:07:17] it. I just this stuff just genuinely,
[4:07:20] joking aside, worries me, but we're
[4:07:22] going to have
[4:07:23] >> I mean, we're eating millions of dollars
[4:07:24] every year and and going down the hole
[4:07:27] and
[4:07:27] >> we got that much we ain't got that much
[4:07:29] reserve to keep doing.
[4:07:31] >> Yeah. And so in my mind, I'm like, is it
[4:07:33] worth is there the that if we had to and
[4:07:37] it crashed today, what would the plan
[4:07:38] be? You know, just curious, would we go
[4:07:41] back to septic systems? I don't you
[4:07:43] know, like what would be the answer to
[4:07:44] solistic
[4:07:47] solves to that would happen in time.
[4:07:49] They want to flush their toilet tomorrow
[4:07:51] or tonight.
[4:07:52] >> That's right.
[4:07:54] you know, and I think these are all
[4:07:55] great ideas, but unfortunately
[4:07:58] >> they're going to take time, just like
[4:08:00] with the police problem. You know, it's
[4:08:02] going to take time and commitment on you
[4:08:04] guys' parts to put that in. So, you
[4:08:08] know, those are great. let's let's shoot
[4:08:10] for those and let's look at them and
[4:08:12] stuff. But I think for the immediate now
[4:08:16] >> we need to say you know even if we did
[4:08:18] implement that I mean I did the audit
[4:08:22] for Mountain Green Sewer that's why I
[4:08:25] know I'm familiar with that situation it
[4:08:27] took them quite a few years to get even
[4:08:31] what they built now up to speed let
[4:08:34] alone you know it's a different system
[4:08:36] and everything and I get that but I'm
[4:08:38] just saying you can't solve that problem
[4:08:40] overnight. So we have to say okay what
[4:08:43] are we going to do at this moment and
[4:08:46] yes plan for the future we need to plan
[4:08:48] for the future that's you know very
[4:08:51] important but what are we going to do
[4:08:52] today to keep the system running for at
[4:08:55] least 5 years because realistically if
[4:08:57] we do do something it's going to be at
[4:08:59] least a 5year process right
[4:09:03] >> yeah so what what's your thoughts what
[4:09:08] direction do you want me to take with
[4:09:09] the budget do you want a 10% increase.
[4:09:13] That would mean that your citizens
[4:09:17] bill would go basically
[4:09:20] they're looking at a 76ish
[4:09:23] dollar bill because I round it.
[4:09:27] >> It was 50 something.
[4:09:29] >> What [clears throat] was it now?
[4:09:30] >> It's 708 now.
[4:09:33] >> That's what it is a month.
[4:09:36] >> Yep.
[4:09:38] across the board.
[4:09:39] >> Well, across the board.
[4:09:43] >> So, I guess for me the answer to that
[4:09:45] question is then what is our plan? So,
[4:09:47] if our plan is this is a bandaid for 5
[4:09:49] years to see how we fix the system, then
[4:09:52] you know we need to charge the minimal
[4:09:53] amount that we would want to increase
[4:09:55] because we're planning to get out of it
[4:09:57] anyway. But if our plan is that we are
[4:10:00] going to have to hang on to this thing
[4:10:01] for the next 20 years, we're probably
[4:10:02] going to have to eat some bigger costs
[4:10:04] and that residents are going to have to
[4:10:06] Keep it up because
[4:10:07] >> there is no way in five years we're
[4:10:10] gonna have something put together that
[4:10:12] would ever take this over. There is no
[4:10:16] >> man. I just see the world differently.
[4:10:17] >> Without
[4:10:19] >> Yeah. Without some outside even with
[4:10:20] some outside help we still you couldn't
[4:10:22] get put in. But
[4:10:23] >> they couldn't get a spansion bridge
[4:10:25] across Niagara River for Niagara Falls.
[4:10:27] And they got a kid who flew a kite
[4:10:30] across it with a string to tie a rope to
[4:10:31] it and got a spansion bridge across it.
[4:10:33] cost them $5. They were are saying
[4:10:36] it's going to cost them millions and
[4:10:37] they never do it. I'm I'm a believer,
[4:10:39] man. We can we can do it if we want to
[4:10:41] do it. We got to get the right group.
[4:10:44] That's just me.
[4:10:45] >> But I realize that we have to be
[4:10:46] pragmatic and I recognize we got a
[4:10:48] budget.
[4:10:49] >> Yeah.
[4:10:49] >> But my thought is like now, okay, we're
[4:10:51] going to go talk to the residents and
[4:10:52] tell them our our citizens why now
[4:10:55] they're paying $100 bill in five years
[4:10:58] and we haven't fixed the system.
[4:10:59] >> Yeah.
[4:11:01] >> Things have gone out.
[4:11:01] >> Yeah. More things gone out. And I'm not
[4:11:03] saying that, you know, we increase it
[4:11:05] 10% next year. We don't we don't need to
[4:11:08] increase it or we need to decrease it.
[4:11:10] Great. Realistically, we're probably not
[4:11:12] going to find that we're going to need
[4:11:13] to decrease it. But, you know, if
[4:11:16] something was to happen,
[4:11:18] >> yeah, think outside the box. Take the
[4:11:20] bull by the horns. Do what you can do.
[4:11:22] >> Awesome. You know,
[4:11:24] >> you're thinking right now.
[4:11:27] >> It's kind of what I'm gearing towards.
[4:11:33] anything else. We did a $2 here and $2
[4:11:35] there. Like I feel like that's if we add
[4:11:37] up, you have a spot where we add up
[4:11:39] everything we've increased today.
[4:11:41] >> Absolutely.
[4:11:42] >> I just so happened to have it right
[4:11:45] here. [laughter]
[4:11:47] >> And let me make sure the sewer came over
[4:11:50] correctly.
[4:11:51] Yeah, it looks like it probably did.
[4:11:53] >> I think you'd find out people thought
[4:11:54] they were in not being able to flush
[4:11:56] their toilets. They would be pretty
[4:11:59] receptive to whatever
[4:12:01] Yeah, you used to pay 10 cents to flush
[4:12:03] a toilet.
[4:12:04] >> Except for you always hope there's some
[4:12:06] way out of the problem. We're not
[4:12:08] getting any way out of the problem.
[4:12:10] Every year we just have it really is a
[4:12:12] bandaid.
[4:12:13] >> I understand that.
[4:12:15] >> But here's the other thing I know to do
[4:12:18] something of any [clears throat] just to
[4:12:20] get it put through even through the
[4:12:23] feds. You can't do anything in a rush
[4:12:25] when you deal with the government
[4:12:26] especially something on the scale that
[4:12:29] we are looking
[4:12:30] It is going to take
[4:12:41] » 950.
[4:12:54] » That's
[4:12:56] what it is.
[4:12:57] >> What was the other option? Fine. I
[4:12:59] agree.
[4:13:04] » I mean, look what gas
[4:13:07] point. It's just like
[4:13:19] monthly bill up to
[4:13:22] >> Well, if you had everything like one
[4:13:25] garbage can.
[4:13:26] >> What was the sewer? Did it put it up to
[4:13:28] Was it 70?
[4:13:29] >> Yeah,
[4:13:30] >> it put it up to 79.
[4:13:31] >> Maybe we
[4:13:33] 75 $76. We've got to get the sewer done.
[4:13:36] Maybe we really do need to have a town
[4:13:38] hall meeting and or even have him here.
[4:13:41] Not a town hall, but have him here.
[4:13:43] Representative from the sewer plant.
[4:13:45] Jerry, you explain all this.
[4:13:49] We we met once in West Haven even said
[4:13:52] half about half of their city could go
[4:13:54] by gravity
[4:13:55] >> if we built something out our way.
[4:13:58] >> I mean those pumping costs are serious.
[4:14:02] >> So this is $9.30 a month
[4:14:05] >> is the increase at year one
[4:14:08] >> with everything if you had one of
[4:14:11] everything recycling additional can
[4:14:14] >> and I don't think that's bad person. I
[4:14:17] think what we're doing this year
[4:14:21] everywhere else not trying to keep up
[4:14:23] with those
[4:14:25] >> but didn't we do
[4:14:28] water up [clears throat]
[4:14:32] this year?
[4:14:33] >> Yeah. Don't look at this year.
[4:14:38] » Well, I don't see we have a choice
[4:14:40] though here. I mean, what differently do
[4:14:42] we do
[4:14:44] >> by next Thursday? more
[4:14:50] we do it weakness.
[4:14:51] >> I think it's pretty easy to explain.
[4:14:55] » Okay. So, here's another question I have
[4:14:58] is within the uh capital projects fund,
[4:15:01] we ended up with a little bit extra.
[4:15:03] >> Do we want to just leave it there
[4:15:05] knowing that maybe we I mean we could
[4:15:08] budget for one of these storm water
[4:15:10] problems in the capital projects fund
[4:15:12] even? There's there's one thing I think
[4:15:14] we might have forgotten our budget.
[4:15:18] >> Yes, sir.
[4:15:18] >> 5500 West close out. We haven't even
[4:15:22] talked about for a long time, but we
[4:15:24] never have closed that job out. And I
[4:15:26] think we owe
[4:15:27] >> Well, that's what I had that in there
[4:15:29] and then we took it out.
[4:15:30] >> Just leave.
[4:15:32] >> How much do you think it is?
[4:15:35] >> Taylor have to answer that question.
[4:15:37] >> Is that the right 55 though? 55 to
[4:15:40] Davis.
[4:15:42] >> Not the
[4:15:45] Which one is it then?
[4:15:47] >> I get confused.
[4:15:49] >> That one
[4:15:51] >> has a current year at 16.
[4:15:56] » So, do you think we owe another 50?
[4:15:59] >> I put 50 in there.
[4:16:05] » Taylor's done all the math on that one.
[4:16:09] >> Okay. Can you hit him out?
[4:16:11] >> Okay.
[4:16:12] So, I guess we have about 87.
[4:16:17] Do you want to just leave whatever's
[4:16:18] excess in there? Do you want We had a
[4:16:21] little bit extra in
[4:16:23] here. 7,000.
[4:16:29] I mean, realistically,
[4:16:33] we could stick it to roads and be done.
[4:16:38] Anybody
[4:16:45] opposed to me just going like that?
[4:16:50] » If you think that's what's right, I
[4:16:52] don't oppose it.
[4:16:53] >> Okay.
[4:16:56] I mean, it's a legitimate place to use
[4:17:00] some. Um that is without using any
[4:17:06] I think that's without using any. No we
[4:17:09] are using 608 of class zeros.
[4:17:15] We could just not use 608 and use 600
[4:17:20] or whatever we need to to balance. Maybe
[4:17:22] we should just do that. Let's do that.
[4:17:25] >> Okay.
[4:17:25] >> Sorry [clears throat] I circle back
[4:17:28] around. I think
[4:17:30] >> there you put all your millions in a as
[4:17:32] a benefactor and we'll name the sewage
[4:17:35] treatment plan.
[4:17:36] >> Okay,
[4:17:38] >> we got about 0.1
[4:17:40] [laughter]
[4:17:42] sewage treatment plan.
[4:17:43] >> I've had two. I wouldn't have given half
[4:17:46] of it to Morgan.
[4:17:49] [laughter]
[4:17:51] >> You say she tried to charge me for
[4:17:52] water.
[4:17:54] Are you kidding?
[4:17:56] >> When she dries.
[4:17:58] >> Yes. Make sure that's Make sure that's
[4:18:00] on record. That's a joke, you guys.
[4:18:02] [laughter]
[4:18:03] >> Don't get Morgan in trouble. This is
[4:18:05] recorded. Remember,
[4:18:07] >> that's no joke. [laughter]
[4:18:10] >> Larry.
[4:18:14] » [laughter]
[4:18:16] >> So yeah, we use less classy roads and still transfer the 225 over to the
[4:18:23] capital projects and just
[4:18:26] if one of those problems come up with
[4:18:29] the storm water, we could play for out
[4:18:31] of capital projects,
[4:18:34] >> which is no problem for us to do. Okay.
[4:18:36] >> I I wouldn't be surprised if 5500 is
[4:18:40] more than that.
[4:18:42] 1% of that project if we was over 1%
[4:18:46] would be 120,000.
[4:18:50] >> So now we just go with that off.
[4:18:52] >> You can't get it closer than 1%. Come
[4:18:53] on.
[4:18:55] >> Yeah. And I text him but you know his
[4:18:56] court is seven and some people don't
[4:18:58] work online. So he
[4:19:02] [laughter]
[4:19:08] » we went back to wake up and got some
[4:19:10] more.
[4:19:11] Sounds about right.
[4:19:15] » It doesn't take much. What do you think?
[4:19:19] >> Roy, what do you think?
[4:19:20] >> Yeah.
[4:19:24] » Well,
[4:19:26] I don't know about the super push part
[4:19:28] of this.
[4:19:29] >> I'll Where are we standing by the end of
[4:19:30] this?
[4:19:31] >> Oh, I think I think this is the best we
[4:19:32] can do here as far as the budget.
[4:19:36] >> I'll have to kind of think through the
[4:19:38] sewer is a real problem.
[4:19:42] and that isn't easily
[4:19:45] >> fixed. But I do like your idea.
[4:19:46] Sometimes
[4:19:48] >> sometimes the real obvious isn't this
[4:19:51] isn't isn't going to be the solution
[4:19:53] >> exactly.
[4:20:02] » No, because I was ask
[4:20:10] to the fee schedule yet either.
[4:20:13] >> So, back to the 50 West Link million
[4:20:17] dollar project.
[4:20:19] >> You're talking on the sewer.
[4:20:21] >> Are we still paying West Haven the way
[4:20:23] we pay every month for that?
[4:20:25] >> So, we have an engineer that's telling
[4:20:28] us that that needs to be replaced or is
[4:20:31] that West Haven telling us that?
[4:20:33] >> So, when we originally signed the
[4:20:36] agreement with West Hy, we signed it for
[4:20:38] 300 homes and to 600 homes.
[4:20:41] >> Last count we're over I would guess
[4:20:43] we're a thousand. The last time they
[4:20:44] counted it was 900. [clears throat]
[4:20:47] We haven't paid any of our share. We
[4:20:49] were supposed to be paying so much every
[4:20:51] house connection. We have not. We were
[4:20:54] supposed to be paying half the
[4:20:55] maintenance. We have not.
[4:20:58] >> So,
[4:20:58] >> you know, how did all this surface? That
[4:21:00] that's what's if all this how did all
[4:21:03] this ever surface?
[4:21:04] >> So, what happened was we got a bill from
[4:21:07] West Haven and and Morgan and I had no
[4:21:10] idea what it was. We got this wheeling
[4:21:12] fee bill and I had no idea what a
[4:21:13] wheeling fee even was. And it was at
[4:21:16] that time like $36,000 or something
[4:21:19] because we were behind. We hadn't paid.
[4:21:21] We we didn't know what it was. So then
[4:21:24] when I called West Haven and went over
[4:21:27] and asked, then their engineer pulled
[4:21:30] out this documentation and he and I
[4:21:32] could have brought it. I have it at
[4:21:33] home. Gave me a copy of all that
[4:21:35] documentation of when it was first
[4:21:36] signed with 300. Then when they
[4:21:39] increased to the 600 and then the last
[4:21:42] calculation that our financial manager
[4:21:45] had done previously, we were like 9 61
[4:21:49] homes or something. And then we're
[4:21:50] talking, you know, now close to three
[4:21:53] years ago. So we probably have had more
[4:21:56] homes in those three years. So that's
[4:21:59] when they he he said, "You really should
[4:22:02] have been paying." And right in our
[4:22:03] contract it says that X amount of
[4:22:06] dollars per new connection, half of the
[4:22:08] maintenance fee. And the engineer said,
[4:22:11] "You really should be paying this." And
[4:22:13] their sewer director said, "Okay, but we it's okay. We won't make you do
[4:22:18] that, but really you cannot keep
[4:22:21] connecting more homes into it." Now,
[4:22:24] this doesn't, as you areware aware,
[4:22:26] Dale, this doesn't go through our our um
[4:22:30] vacuum. This is
[4:22:33] goes right out and connects out you know
[4:22:35] 3300. So this is a whole little
[4:22:38] different story but you know at first I
[4:22:41] think Jared did you say Lake View was
[4:22:42] the first one that connected to it? Lake
[4:22:44] View subdivision
[4:22:46] >> Lake View Freedom all of those first
[4:22:48] ones kind of contributed more.
[4:22:54] So it kind of sounds like somehow they
[4:22:56] figured out internally that they had not
[4:22:59] build us
[4:23:00] >> and all.
[4:23:01] >> Yeah. Yeah. We we didn't pay the bill
[4:23:03] and then we didn't know and so then you
[4:23:04] know I think Lord came in and said this
[4:23:06] and I said I I have no idea. I didn't
[4:23:09] even know whether we was. So that's when
[4:23:11] they said
[4:23:13] >> so now we
[4:23:16] had left and I was coming in not knowing
[4:23:17] because they never sent us an invoice.
[4:23:20] >> So she called and said you guys need to
[4:23:22] get out. Well, because we not and I
[4:23:26] don't think it's so much capacity, but
[4:23:29] some but we this was never ever the
[4:23:33] agreement and then like Jared said it
[4:23:35] really was by the best case scenario
[4:23:40] right now.
[4:23:44] add more
[4:23:45] >> and if they don't have any more either
[4:23:50] » so how did we come up with the idea that
[4:23:52] we need to build our own
[4:23:55] >> they said well that that was the that
[4:23:58] was the lesser of the expense for us to
[4:24:00] hook to this horse man to 4000
[4:24:03] [clears throat] if we run a force man
[4:24:04] all the way to 3300 it's even more but
[4:24:06] if we hook in at 4000 this this is the
[4:24:09] cheaper of the options
[4:24:11] >> for us to
[4:24:12] We're hooking into the force maintenance
[4:24:14] the vacuum system because it was sized
[4:24:18] maybe not for build out but for future
[4:24:21] but the low flow and that causes us
[4:24:23] problem. So we thought we can tie this
[4:24:26] in there. We'll utilize some of that
[4:24:28] capacity. Now in 20 30 years we're going
[4:24:31] to need that capacity. So we're going to
[4:24:34] have to start thinking about an
[4:24:35] additional force man long term. So if we
[4:24:39] do this now it will cover us for
[4:24:50] So it's more
[4:24:52] build it and do it now would be to
[4:24:57] >> wise it's a good
[4:24:59] >> and I don't I don't know I think one of
[4:25:01] the other things when we talk about the
[4:25:03] commercial development potential up
[4:25:06] there they're going to have to tie that
[4:25:08] new lift station into this don't
[4:25:11] going to give us any more.
[4:25:15] >> So that being said,
[4:25:17] can we push some of the cost onto this
[4:25:21] commercial development
[4:25:24] if we do a CRA? Absolutely. This cost
[4:25:27] would be on
[4:25:29] >> and wasn't there remember when I
[4:25:30] attended the Weaver County thing on your
[4:25:33] behalf, there was something mentioned
[4:25:35] there that said if there was a
[4:25:37] preventative thing to development
[4:25:40] city something that was prohibitive.
[4:25:41] There was money for it. Do you remember
[4:25:43] what that was for?
[4:25:45] >> I don't know.
[4:25:46] >> Because they they talked about a sewer.
[4:25:48] They essentially said there was like a
[4:25:49] city who wanted to do an improvement or
[4:25:50] do a development, but it was prohibitive
[4:25:52] because they needed an infrastructure
[4:25:54] build out and the legislature was
[4:25:56] earmarking an opportunity for us to get
[4:25:58] funds.
[4:25:59] >> Okay. There is a low interest loan. That
[4:26:01] might be why [clears throat] this last
[4:26:03] legislature they just passed and there
[4:26:04] was like $70 million. But but it's a
[4:26:08] loan. like 1.5%.
[4:26:11] It's a really low income and that is
[4:26:13] specifically for that.
[4:26:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. There's an infrastructure
[4:26:17] prohib that makes it prohibitive for
[4:26:18] buildouts. Then cities have access to
[4:26:20] funding.
[4:26:20] >> So as you said, do we need to include
[4:26:23] that in the budget if we're maybe
[4:26:26] getting that money from
[4:26:29] developer funds of some kind?
[4:26:34] » I think it definitely could come out of
[4:26:36] the budget if we
[4:26:40] The question is are we going to do it
[4:26:42] whether we do the CRA or not? And if we
[4:26:45] are budget,
[4:26:51] » it's definitely
[4:26:52] >> conver.
[4:26:56] » Do we have a time frame? I mean, if they
[4:26:58] actually said they told you to
[4:27:02] >> said it's time to be out and you know,
[4:27:05] sewer says, "Oh, well, you know, we'll
[4:27:07] work with you for a little bit."
[4:27:09] According to their engineer, it was it
[4:27:11] should but they're not going to kick us
[4:27:13] out. They're not. But if we had a plan,
[4:27:16] I mean, all this hinges on plans. So
[4:27:19] like we have this plan within the next
[4:27:22] six months we're going to be I don't
[4:27:23] know. I'm just throwing up time frames.
[4:27:25] Next six months we're going to be
[4:27:27] applying for a CRA. We can include this
[4:27:29] in it. Can you give us a year? I think
[4:27:32] they would say yes, but if we go to them
[4:27:34] and say we we have no plan at all.
[4:27:38] about the $7 million
[4:27:44] and we don't I don't I saw you since I
[4:27:47] saw Blake Moore asked him about it and
[4:27:49] he said oh yeah you know you were the
[4:27:51] one that was but but we don't know when
[4:27:53] and we don't know the amount
[4:27:55] >> we don't know what
[4:27:57] >> we were accepted we we turned in the
[4:28:00] grant and our our grant was one that was
[4:28:03] accepted and received funding
[4:28:05] >> that we don't yet how much money or when
[4:28:08] we
[4:28:10] >> and I know the state has like they've
[4:28:12] said there $100 million for
[4:28:14] [clears throat] other stuff around and
[4:28:16] then they appropriated 150 million for
[4:28:20] town which kind of tick me off like
[4:28:22] [clears throat]
[4:28:23] it's 100 million but Salt Lake County
[4:28:25] gets 150 million but that's about our
[4:28:28] >> well they should do some of that for
[4:28:29] home [laughter]
[4:28:32] >> but yeah exactly makes
[4:28:35] >> but that's really to look into. I mean
[4:28:37] that would help and we do have
[4:28:40] >> I mean we did 5500 for commercial. It's
[4:28:44] not just
[4:28:46] the other but we do need to have
[4:28:49] something
[4:28:50] >> well with all the stuff that's coming
[4:28:52] from the state of being free and
[4:28:54] everything else and they want us to do
[4:28:56] this this and this. I'm pretty sure
[4:28:58] there will be an avenue to help us do
[4:29:00] some of this
[4:29:02] >> and we can look into what
[4:29:05] you kind of
[4:29:06] >> so that if we take the million dollar
[4:29:10] >> y
[4:29:10] >> what does that do to our numbers for
[4:29:12] monthly services?
[4:29:15] So
[4:29:23] » again, we take that out.
[4:29:25] >> If we take that out,
[4:29:26] >> we're not doing it. You're telling me
[4:29:28] then
[4:29:30] >> we're waiting on a possible grant or
[4:29:32] possible CRA with the developer.
[4:29:35] >> Yeah.
[4:29:38] » But if we put it in there as an
[4:29:40] >> ear if we did not
[4:29:43] take it out if we don't
[4:29:44] >> we had 6.25.
[4:29:46] So if we went back to that which is what
[4:29:48] we did last year
[4:29:50] >> um we'd be
[4:29:51] >> right about where we were.
[4:29:53] >> So if we took that out and dropped the
[4:29:54] rate the the increase for our residents
[4:29:56] to 6.25
[4:29:57] like we were talking about.
[4:29:59] >> Okay.
[4:29:59] >> Then we're sitting about $100,000 more
[4:30:01] favorable at the end of this
[4:30:03] >> at the end of the five year. And again,
[4:30:05] this is very rough. You know, obviously
[4:30:07] things change.
[4:30:08] >> So,
[4:30:09] what about
[4:30:16] that's what I hope the spreadsheet will
[4:30:18] do.
[4:30:20] >> Puts us at least
[4:30:25] because if we don't get a about $75 a
[4:30:28] month.
[4:30:28] >> Within a year, are we going to need that
[4:30:30] money?
[4:30:31] >> But within a year, we'll know the answer
[4:30:33] to those two question.
[4:30:34] >> Yes, we will.
[4:30:36] >> So, you'd be like 7 I'd round it up to
[4:30:39] $75.
[4:30:40] >> Okay, let's do that.
[4:30:43] >> Direction you guys want me to take?
[4:30:46] >> I mean, I like I feel like it's a much
[4:30:48] more conservative approach for our
[4:30:50] residents and it gives us an opportunity
[4:30:52] to see if we're going to get these
[4:30:53] grants or any of that stuff. gives us
[4:30:56] the talking point to say, look, we're
[4:30:57] doing everything we can on our end.
[4:30:59] >> Yeah.
[4:30:59] >> This isn't a guarantee. You're taking
[4:31:00] the risk,
[4:31:01] >> but also, you know, we're trying not to
[4:31:03] pass this full cost on you.
[4:31:05] >> What is that? What is that overall
[4:31:07] amount that the It was like nine
[4:31:09] something on your other tab.
[4:31:11] >> Oh, yeah. On the uh revenue,
[4:31:14] >> how what Ray
[4:31:15] >> How how feeling on the potential getting
[4:31:20] the grant and the realistic potential
[4:31:24] [cough]
[4:31:28] I I think we could I think we could do a
[4:31:31] CRA. I think they would be supportive of
[4:31:33] us. For one thing, we've never asked for
[4:31:35] one before. Hooper's never applied for
[4:31:37] one. Other cities have. So, I think I
[4:31:41] think we would have as good a chance as
[4:31:44] any
[4:31:45] and they they have restricted some of
[4:31:48] their but I don't know. Some ask for a
[4:31:50] lot more than we would be asking for. We
[4:31:54] for the two million for the lift and you
[4:31:56] know million for this [cough]
[4:31:58] infrastructure else that's a lot more
[4:32:01] than they were asking for example like
[4:32:03] the target or you know
[4:32:06] >> if we use cash like a grant is there
[4:32:09] some participation you think from the
[4:32:11] developers
[4:32:13] at one time Doug Han paying for a
[4:32:16] million dollar
[4:32:17] >> develop agreement there could be or
[4:32:19] should be
[4:32:20] >> so maybe the whole we
[4:32:26] Yes.
[4:32:29] [clears throat]
[4:32:34] » Money. [snorts]
[4:32:41] » Okay. Okay. Next question.
[4:32:43] >> Question.
[4:32:45] [laughter]
[4:32:46] >> On the financials
[4:32:48] um for the sewer page page 12.
[4:32:54] It seems like we've created some
[4:32:56] categories
[4:32:58] this year
[4:33:00] to begin the year because they weren't
[4:33:02] budgeted for. So if you look down the
[4:33:05] budget column, two
[4:33:09] zero
[4:33:11] we've spent money in those
[4:33:16] » financial
[4:33:24] year
[4:33:29] » but we spend money in that category to
[4:33:32] the actual some instances pretty
[4:33:34] significant like on new connection
[4:33:37] expenses.
[4:33:39] Did those categories just get created
[4:33:42] [clears throat] this fiscal year or what
[4:33:44] happened?
[4:33:45] >> What numbers which number down the aisle
[4:33:47] are you going?
[4:33:48] >> So let's start
[4:33:50] administration 2046 3000.
[4:33:54] >> Yeah. And I see what you're saying. Um
[4:33:57] >> and I'll have to go back and look at
[4:33:59] each one of those items
[4:34:01] >> um because because [clears throat]
[4:34:04] it may just be a coating. How, you know,
[4:34:07] maybe it's been coated some way in the
[4:34:09] past and it got put there. I'll have to
[4:34:11] look. The main thing overall is, you
[4:34:15] know, like I've said at the bottom if if
[4:34:18] they need to rob Peter to pay Paul,
[4:34:21] >> you know, staff.
[4:34:23] >> Some of them are fairly fairly
[4:34:25] substantial, right? 128,000, one's
[4:34:28] 81,000.
[4:34:30] >> Yeah. and without having the I didn't
[4:34:32] bring the detail ledger with me.
[4:34:33] >> So what is administration for example
[4:34:36] like what is that?
[4:34:41] » No, let me look in and see
[4:34:42] >> what we pay out of that camera.
[4:34:44] >> Well, let me pull up the default ledger.
[4:34:48] [clears throat]
[4:34:50] » Connection expenses.
[4:34:52] >> And if you have questions like this,
[4:34:54] you're welcome to email me or call me
[4:34:58] >> and stuff. But yeah, that's fine.
[4:35:00] >> No, you're fine. I'm just saying that,
[4:35:02] you know, I'm always open to talking
[4:35:04] about it.
[4:35:05] >> I'm not sure where you've got them in
[4:35:06] there. Some of the new connections would
[4:35:08] be new people hooking onto the sewer
[4:35:11] that aren't a big enough developer to do
[4:35:13] it on their own. And so they pay us, we
[4:35:16] get it done. So there's that offset. We
[4:35:19] have an expense, but
[4:35:22] come back. So it wouldn't actually be an
[4:35:24] expense. It just be covering
[4:35:26] temporarily. And what we've done,
[4:35:27] [clears throat] if you remember the last
[4:35:29] fee schedule adjustment, they're so all
[4:35:31] over the board, we can't put one fee in
[4:35:34] it. It feels like we're ripping one guy
[4:35:36] off and the next guy we're taking it in
[4:35:38] the short. So, we just have them give us
[4:35:40] a deposit, we go get the work done, buy
[4:35:43] the parts, get it done, and then we give
[4:35:45] them a list of what we spent, give their
[4:35:47] money back.
[4:35:48] >> Okay. So, what
[4:35:51] >> administration? Did you find it?
[4:35:52] >> Yeah, I've got it here.
[4:35:54] >> So, it just seems like there's been
[4:35:56] created throughout this last fiscal year
[4:35:58] because they weren't budgeted for at the
[4:36:00] beginning of last year.
[4:36:01] >> Yeah.
[4:36:03] >> Uhhuh. So this the administration is
[4:36:06] half of the utilities.
[4:36:09] Um they were not being allocated there.
[4:36:13] Um so half of the utilities for like
[4:36:16] this building per se. Um
[4:36:19] >> those are like
[4:36:20] >> should they maybe be put in with 1,000?
[4:36:23] Yeah, we could move them up and put them
[4:36:24] in with title that is this is the
[4:36:26] administrative building's sewer.
[4:36:28] >> Okay. So it's not somebody administering
[4:36:30] sewer.
[4:36:31] >> No no
[4:36:32] >> we want to flush the toilet.
[4:36:35] [laughter]
[4:36:36] >> That's what it cost to flush the toilet
[4:36:37] in the city hall.
[4:36:42] » Um the new connection
[4:36:46] >> I'm looking here that is 2046.
[4:36:51] I guess just my general question is were
[4:36:53] those categories
[4:36:55] already there or were they just created?
[4:36:58] >> They were there but for
[4:37:01] >> not they just weren't budgeted. Um this
[4:37:05] 128 is actually Central Weber sewer. We
[4:37:08] need to move that over to Central Weber
[4:37:11] sewers. That got miscoded.
[4:37:14] >> Expense. Mhm. Yeah, that 128 is actually
[4:37:18] Central Wers Central Weber Davis.
[4:37:23] Yeah, CWSD
[4:37:25] utilities. It should be over there.
[4:37:27] >> Yeah.
[4:37:30] [laughter] you can see where I'm
[4:37:31] coming from.
[4:37:34] >> Yeah. I mean, I wish I had time to go
[4:37:36] through it with a fine tooth comb and
[4:37:38] review every transaction that everybody
[4:37:40] does, but
[4:37:43] Anything
[4:37:45] else? What's next?
[4:37:48] » Are you Did you have any more
[4:37:51] to the uh
[4:37:53] >> desched time? Okay,
[4:37:54] >> fantastic. Let's jump to that.
[4:37:56] >> We'regan ordering
[4:38:00] hers. We'll go get
[4:38:01] >> So, you want me to start, Danny?
[4:38:03] >> Uh, two seconds. I'm going to pull it up
[4:38:05] right now.
[4:38:17] It would be the uh tab one, I believe.
[4:38:21] Yeah, tab one. But it's like the second
[4:38:23] page.
[4:38:30] » Same thing on this, right?
[4:38:32] >> Yeah. Same thing on that. Yep. Okay. See
[4:38:36] if my eyeballs can see it.
[4:38:39] >> Okay.
[4:38:41] Shoot away, Larry.
[4:38:43] >> Yes, I'm trying to go.
[4:38:46] >> So, this is on the uh cemetery, and it
[4:38:49] kind of boils down to what Michelle had
[4:38:52] told us when was in a whole different
[4:38:55] meeting down at Hookeration that uh uh
[4:39:00] the mortuaries are sending people out
[4:39:02] here to Hooker uh to be buried.
[4:39:05] And uh our fees are because our fees are
[4:39:09] so much lower. And was it Morgan that
[4:39:12] got us the schedule of all the
[4:39:14] surrounding cities?
[4:39:15] >> It was it was Stephanie.
[4:39:16] >> Stephanie. Oh yeah. So Stephanie gave us
[4:39:19] this thing. Uh so the next cheapest one
[4:39:23] I think was like West Haven at 575 for a
[4:39:26] resident and I think their non-resident
[4:39:29] was around,00.
[4:39:31] So my thought was uh is that uh you know
[4:39:37] and this is up for discussion but would
[4:39:40] be to raise our resident to $600
[4:39:44] >> and that which would be higher than uh
[4:39:47] the neighboring cities. But with that
[4:39:50] being said that we gave them a
[4:39:54] >> Okay. Thank you.
[4:39:56] >> I'm trying to find it. I'm like okay.
[4:40:00] Right there. give our residents uh
[4:40:03] maybe like a sixmonth grace period of
[4:40:07] the old price until hey
[4:40:10] >> you want to buy it
[4:40:12] >> what's that
[4:40:12] >> if you want to buy it
[4:40:13] >> yeah if you want it buy it $800
[4:40:16] otherwise it goes up to 600 I think the
[4:40:19] non-resident fee at $1,800
[4:40:22] uh and and I checked uh more than what
[4:40:26] Stephanie sent us out and uh I don't
[4:40:29] think it's too unreasonable
[4:40:31] But then with that, there's also one
[4:40:33] down there further if a resident sold it
[4:40:36] to a non-resident
[4:40:38] that we charge 1,200
[4:40:41] uh instead of 525.
[4:40:42] >> Does that matter because they're
[4:40:43] non-resident? I know I've experienced
[4:40:45] here in Utah, my grandparents giving,
[4:40:48] you know, we buried a son, my wife's
[4:40:51] grandpa gave us one of his spots, right?
[4:40:53] Because we weren't prepared for that. Um
[4:40:55] and so is is that how like if a transfer
[4:40:59] was to like family member. Does it apply
[4:41:01] the same?
[4:41:01] >> Probably have to ask Stephanie or
[4:41:03] Morgan. Is that
[4:41:04] >> it's kind of a local problem that we get
[4:41:08] really the grandpa if he owned it here
[4:41:10] and the grandson didn't live here, he
[4:41:12] could say, "Well, I want him in my spot
[4:41:14] in one of my places and there's no way
[4:41:16] to collect that.
[4:41:18] >> So, it gets hard to collect and all the
[4:41:20] little people try to get around it."
[4:41:23] >> That's where you increase the
[4:41:25] intermittent fees,
[4:41:26] >> the interment fees.
[4:41:28] >> Yeah.
[4:41:30] Just an FYI for thought, Bountiful City
[4:41:33] charges $2800
[4:41:35] per burial plot.
[4:41:38] >> Yeah, here they are.
[4:41:40] >> Roy is out of room, but they just bought one of those pieces of
[4:41:43] G to expand their city
[4:41:44] >> was donated to the mayor told me on
[4:41:48] Monday. It was
[4:41:50] >> by 31st. So, so when I got with
[4:41:53] Stephanie and she didn't have exact
[4:41:56] numbers, but from best
[4:41:59] >> we probably got 30 years
[4:42:01] >> I can find out
[4:42:01] >> of
[4:42:03] space here in Her possibly 40 years and
[4:42:07] that. Uh but I just think if we're the
[4:42:12] lowest in the area, yeah, why aren't you
[4:42:15] know people going to come out here? Uh
[4:42:18] and I uh
[4:42:20] these are just starting numbers for you
[4:42:22] guys uh that I thought of. Uh you know
[4:42:27] if there's a baby that's uh born uh you
[4:42:31] know I think there ought to be some
[4:42:33] consideration.
[4:42:36] » Yeah. You know
[4:42:38] >> I can tell you at Myers they don't
[4:42:40] charge for the funeral.
[4:42:42] When we buried our son, they said that
[4:42:44] they buried 17 in their family alone.
[4:42:47] And so they don't charge families for
[4:42:48] the casket service. You pay for the
[4:42:51] flowers. You try to see if somebody can.
[4:42:53] Yeah. So I mean a lot of people agree
[4:42:55] with that.
[4:42:56] >> So that's
[4:42:59] so I don't make it easy.
[4:43:03] >> 500
[4:43:05] transfer.
[4:43:08] >> I'm good with that.
[4:43:10] >> So what are you saying?
[4:43:13] change
[4:43:14] >> 515,000
[4:43:16] >> raise the fee for
[4:43:18] >> but are you still okay if we get per
[4:43:22] >> so a non-resident would become a
[4:43:24] thousand for
[4:43:25] >> I mean the 600 that would be to 500 up
[4:43:29] higher
[4:43:30] >> okay so this one
[4:43:32] >> to 500 okay
[4:43:35] >> and then a500
[4:43:38] there
[4:43:39] >> 15 there Okay,
[4:43:43] » we probably should look at perpetual
[4:43:45] care too because at that rate
[4:43:49] >> we will never get enough money build up
[4:43:51] to ever do anything
[4:43:52] >> at least.
[4:43:53] >> I think so too.
[4:43:54] >> At least.
[4:43:55] >> Okay. And then now with that 500 we will
[4:43:58] be the cheapest in this area. Is that
[4:44:02] >> 600 per?
[4:44:04] >> Oh 600 with perpetual care.
[4:44:08] >> Yeah. Do we want the non perpetual care
[4:44:10] to be more.
[4:44:12] >> I would too.
[4:44:13] >> I'd actually almost
[4:44:17] [laughter]
[4:44:19] » 500uge.
[4:44:23] » You know what? They're not res. They're
[4:44:26] not paying the property taxes to
[4:44:28] >> if you have to use general fund to pay
[4:44:31] for it.
[4:44:31] >> And then we need to transfer from a
[4:44:34] resident to a non-resident.
[4:44:38] And I can tell you what happens with
[4:44:39] that. You just come in and put someone
[4:44:42] else's name on it and then you don't pay
[4:44:44] the transfer fee. The only time you pay
[4:44:47] the transfer fee is if you actually have
[4:44:49] it transferred. But for example, I mean
[4:44:53] your kids, but if you had that Colorado
[4:44:57] and you
[4:44:58] >> just said,000,
[4:44:59] >> you would just put his name on it and
[4:45:01] then he but it's but it's when you bury
[4:45:04] him that they have to pay the
[4:45:05] non-resident fee.
[4:45:07] >> So it's not even so much the transfer
[4:45:09] fee because people really
[4:45:11] >> that's just ownership
[4:45:14] » but you sell it to somebody, you can
[4:45:16] only sell it back to the city.
[4:45:19] >> You You can't just advertise in the
[4:45:20] paper. You can't.
[4:45:22] >> No.
[4:45:23] >> So, that's just that transfer fee
[4:45:25] certificate that they do. But I would
[4:45:28] even more so than even doing that is
[4:45:30] maybe have it be the opening and the
[4:45:32] closing of the graves
[4:45:33] >> for it.
[4:45:35] >> Yeah.
[4:45:35] >> So, remove this.
[4:45:38] >> Well, I mean, just add
[4:45:41] [cough and clears throat]
[4:45:45] So non-resident
[4:45:47] >> I mean you could double that. I mean
[4:45:49] it's only 25 if it went up to 50 the
[4:45:53] from resident owner to another res
[4:45:59] » Shauna. How long did you uh ago did you
[4:46:02] move in here?
[4:46:03] >> I moved in
[4:46:06] since 2006.
[4:46:07] >> Oh
[4:46:09] 20 years.
[4:46:10] >> So let's Yeah, I know. She is.
[4:46:12] >> So yeah. So do I do I qualify for being
[4:46:15] now?
[4:46:15] >> So let's say Shauna just doesn't even
[4:46:17] live here
[4:46:19] and I'm a real good friend of Shauna and
[4:46:22] I come and buy a resident lot because
[4:46:26] Shauna's husband just passed away and
[4:46:29] she wants him buried out here. I mean is
[4:46:31] this so what would that process? I would
[4:46:35] pay $500 for that and then she would
[4:46:39] bury her husband. She had no I used to
[4:46:42] put her at all.
[4:46:48] » That's what I was saying.
[4:46:49] >> Say she doesn't live here. She's got to
[4:46:52] pay.
[4:46:54] >> Okay.
[4:46:54] >> All right.
[4:47:02] It's down below county where you're
[4:47:05] doing that
[4:47:10] realize
[4:47:12] we are not encouraging that
[4:47:15] >> you know
[4:47:17] I don't know if they want to raise the
[4:47:18] resident but that's the non-resident
[4:47:21] >> yeah that that one's the monument
[4:47:23] >> see that's the monument fee right so
[4:47:26] that is the resident weekend and
[4:47:29] holiday.
[4:47:30] >> Okay.
[4:47:30] >> Oh, no. I guess you're right. You're
[4:47:33] right.
[4:47:33] >> Okay.
[4:47:34] >> I was like, hold on. I thought the
[4:47:35] monument was there. Okay.
[4:47:37] >> The thing is is if you do the opening
[4:47:39] and closing, you do also have to set
[4:47:46] » Where is the opening? I don't even see
[4:47:48] that.
[4:47:49] >> That's right.
[4:47:52] [clears throat]
[4:47:52] >> Right behind your
[4:47:54] >> Oh, sorry.
[4:47:56] >> My big head.
[4:47:57] >> [laughter]
[4:48:00] » Okay.
[4:48:01] >> So, one thing that if you are setting
[4:48:04] for resident and non-resident, you need
[4:48:06] to consider those that are move into
[4:48:08] like a nursing home or something. So,
[4:48:10] you'd want to say, okay, if you move if
[4:48:13] you lived in Hooper for say
[4:48:17] >> 10 years, five years and you move into a
[4:48:20] nursing home or a care facility,
[4:48:23] >> that doesn't remove your residency. We
[4:48:25] have that in our roles currently.
[4:48:29] >> They move from their home directly to a
[4:48:31] care facility.
[4:48:32] >> Is it just care facilities?
[4:48:38] » I think we
[4:48:40] >> which like I've seen that the council
[4:48:43] can veto it. They can choose to go to
[4:48:45] council and the council can veto
[4:48:46] >> veto the fee.
[4:48:47] >> Yeah. Which in that situation I think
[4:48:50] absolutely.
[4:48:50] >> Like my boy lived with us his whole
[4:48:51] life. He's in the army. Now he's in
[4:48:53] Hawaii. if something happened to him
[4:48:54] overseas. One
[4:48:56] >> still be considered res.
[4:48:59] >> I think someone asked if we could have a
[4:49:01] veteran.
[4:49:02] >> They wondered if we could have a less
[4:49:04] fur veteran a nice it would be have to
[4:49:07] go through city council.
[4:49:08] >> Yeah.
[4:49:11] That's what I think like opening
[4:49:13] closing of grace for veterans that makes
[4:49:14] sense where we break.
[4:49:16] >> Yeah.
[4:49:17] That's I think we it definitely
[4:49:19] makes sense we try. So Sherry, once we
[4:49:22] do, in case if we forget later, Ryan had
[4:49:24] a good point. Uh once we approve all
[4:49:28] this, it would be nice if we could have
[4:49:30] the office send all the mortuaries under
[4:49:33] the fee schedule.
[4:49:35] >> So
[4:49:38] we're referring for
[4:49:41] >> Yeah.
[4:49:41] >> Okay. So do we want to say non-resident
[4:49:44] opening?
[4:49:45] I mean, we've upped the burial space to
[4:49:48] 15. Do we want to up the
[4:49:50] resident opening to 15. Is that what I'm
[4:49:53] hearing? Or
[4:49:55] >> not go as much there.
[4:50:00] » Yeah.
[4:50:03] >> And keep the resident opening and
[4:50:05] closing at 300.
[4:50:07] >> Yeah, that makes sense.
[4:50:08] >> Does that cover cost?
[4:50:11] >> Yeah, probably.
[4:50:13] >> Where do you put, you know what I mean?
[4:50:16] The back, but it gets used in all the
[4:50:18] department.
[4:50:19] I'm sure that's Yeah,
[4:50:21] >> weekend and holiday. I would dare say
[4:50:23] that that could just be one fee in and
[4:50:27] of itself and probably hit
[4:50:30] >> or unless you want to res
[4:50:34] have them be the same.
[4:50:35] >> Mhm. But do you guys want
[4:50:37] >> the non0000?
[4:50:44] » We're going to add the vets there.
[4:50:47] bedroom.
[4:50:48] >> Okay.
[4:50:49] >> And the two below the babies as well.
[4:50:51] >> Okay.
[4:50:54] » I think that's a nice thing to
[4:50:57] >> for sure.
[4:50:59] >> Really?
[4:50:59] >> Yeah.
[4:51:00] >> There isn't.
[4:51:01] >> I bet like a third of our burial.
[4:51:06] So there's a lot of people been in the
[4:51:07] military that
[4:51:10] >> Okay. So you're all good with what I've
[4:51:12] got there then.
[4:51:14] >> Glance through it. Scroll down.
[4:51:28] » So would that even apply here? Do we
[4:51:29] still have spaces in the old section?
[4:51:32] >> Are they ones that people own or that
[4:51:34] are still
[4:51:40] » Doesn't this apply for all not the old
[4:51:43] and new? Well, I was talking about so
[4:51:45] there's a monument fee for a flat versus
[4:51:48] an upright. And I was saying I didn't I
[4:51:50] didn't know that we had a lot of
[4:51:51] uprights because it looks like most of
[4:51:53] them are flat. He was saying the old
[4:51:54] section has
[4:51:55] >> Oh, yeah.
[4:51:57] >> Yeah. The new section doesn't allow
[4:52:02] >> Yeah. While we're on the fee schedule
[4:52:04] really quick, so the park and arena
[4:52:05] rental, I don't know how got messed up
[4:52:08] when approving it last year, but the uh
[4:52:12] youth daily group fee went down to 100
[4:52:15] and it has been 325. So, we're just
[4:52:18] going to jump that back up to 325. And
[4:52:20] then the approved adult writing group
[4:52:23] was approved at 400, but it's always
[4:52:25] been at 525.
[4:52:27] >> So, that needs to go to the 425 there or
[4:52:29] 325.
[4:52:31] >> Yeah. And then the 4 just a mouse.
[4:52:34] >> All right. Sorry.
[4:52:37] >> And then
[4:52:38] there's a $100 deposit for shell for
[4:52:41] seasonal rentals. We took out all the
[4:52:43] deposit
[4:52:47] » in the description or the notes to your
[4:52:49] left.
[4:52:50] >> Oh, right.
[4:52:57] Nobody
[4:53:03] riding groups that are seasonal.
[4:53:07] >> Oh, like the forage.
[4:53:08] >> Yeah.
[4:53:11] >> Honestly, my kids do that type of stuff.
[4:53:14] They're ridiculously low, but it is
[4:53:16] highly political when you raise those.
[4:53:19] But that's just If you want to subsidize
[4:53:21] that for the kids, then great.
[4:53:23] >> Man, my kids just got into it. And
[4:53:25] [clears throat] I got a whole earful the
[4:53:27] other night and they were like, "Oh,
[4:53:28] you're
[4:53:29] even turn your sprinklers on. It was too
[4:53:31] dusty over there." They were like doing
[4:53:32] this whole thing about how they started
[4:53:33] riding in Plane City because we And so I
[4:53:36] asked the mayor about it. She's like,
[4:53:37] "Yeah, we turned them on like they got
[4:53:38] to ask us and we'll do it." But the
[4:53:40] whole age group went to Plane City
[4:53:41] because they said we were
[4:53:43] >> in a good year. We water every day. But
[4:53:46] we have to buy our water either from
[4:53:48] upper irrigation.
[4:53:50] One time we bought it from culinary
[4:53:52] [cough and clears throat] or buy it from
[4:53:53] culinary water, put it in a water truck
[4:53:55] and pay an employee to go.
[4:53:57] >> I didn't even know it was a thing. I
[4:53:58] just my kids are doing it like
[4:54:02] let me know.
[4:54:06] » If you take like my kids will pay more
[4:54:10] weekend
[4:54:12] than they pay all year.
[4:54:16] Okay.
[4:54:18] >> Are we wanting to do anything with the
[4:54:20] zoning and code enforcement fees?
[4:54:29] » If you asked, I assume that we should,
[4:54:31] huh?
[4:54:32] >> Well, we just [cough and clears throat]
[4:54:34] staff meeting
[4:54:37] come to staff meeting and gave us an
[4:54:39] update on all of his issues that we've
[4:54:42] turned in, which was super helpful.
[4:54:44] like you said, we just need somebody to
[4:54:46] go out and actually enforce that. Um, we
[4:54:49] had a staff member actually offer to do
[4:54:52] that. We just haven't really discussed
[4:54:54] it more. So,
[4:54:56] >> do we need to add that that Rocky
[4:54:59] Mountain power connection
[4:55:01] [clears throat] fee on our street light?
[4:55:04] >> Yes.
[4:55:08] » On that one, we can just put actual
[4:55:10] cost.
[4:55:11] So, we need to add what
[4:55:14] >> street installation
[4:55:18] probably got that other block that's
[4:55:26] power.
[4:55:34] How did adjusting the facility usage?
[4:55:38] Remember how that was brought up?
[4:55:41] that you know we adjusted it because we
[4:55:42] have this group somewhere from here.
[4:55:45] Did that affect that relationship? They
[4:55:47] stopped coming here.
[4:55:49] >> We told them no more.
[4:55:50] >> Yeah.
[4:55:51] >> He tried to make it work with Saturdays,
[4:55:53] but then we chose not to the fields this
[4:55:55] year either. So
[4:55:56] >> I think it just upset him completely.
[4:55:58] But so I do think he'll come back next
[4:56:01] year and hopes to play on the Saturday.
[4:56:04] >> So we might have to look into that
[4:56:08] actual cost. I don't know if you need to
[4:56:10] Um, won't we just do see current costs?
[4:56:14] >> Won't we just add it as one of that? I
[4:56:16] know be okay. Okay,
[4:56:18] >> that's what my thought was. But
[4:56:19] >> okay, where's our code?
[4:56:24] » Just down underneath public works.
[4:56:27] on page 406
[4:56:30] [cough]
[4:56:44] » at the very top.
[4:56:45] >> Yeah.
[4:56:50] » So, we updated this last time. It used
[4:56:52] to be no fine, 50 bucks, 100 bucks for
[4:56:54] the third notice completely. But now
[4:56:56] I've changed it to per day each time and
[4:56:59] then legal action.
[4:57:02] So I think that's pretty
[4:57:04] >> seems low
[4:57:06] charge you $1,000 on your fourth notice
[4:57:08] of water usage. So
[4:57:12] >> 250 a day add up pretty quick if you got
[4:57:16] >> that's fair.
[4:57:21] » So what was your suggestion?
[4:57:24] >> I just would say I guess just back to
[4:57:26] our point earlier today that we just
[4:57:29] need to have more teeth in doing this
[4:57:31] and more
[4:57:32] So, so the hard part I think
[4:57:34] administratively who who issues that
[4:57:36] $125
[4:57:38] is it a letter from the city? None of us
[4:57:40] have a ticket book.
[4:57:42] >> You know, if a cop writes your ticket
[4:57:44] and you throw it in the garbage, it
[4:57:45] still goes to the court area. We don't
[4:57:48] have that mechanism here. And then once
[4:57:51] it gets to the legal action, we've got
[4:57:53] to be willing to pay the attorney to
[4:57:55] actually take it to court and prepare
[4:57:57] it. I guess would those fees cover the
[4:58:00] cost of the attorney fee?
[4:58:02] >> So could if we actually get
[4:58:04] >> if we collect it.
[4:58:05] >> So will the sheriff not enforce
[4:58:08] anything as part of our contract
[4:58:11] agreement with them? Will they not
[4:58:12] enforce code
[4:58:13] >> with code?
[4:58:13] >> No, they won't
[4:58:17] know going down my street or anything
[4:58:19] >> that new ordinance for noise years ago.
[4:58:25] » Have you tried to call the police? But
[4:58:27] we charge with
[4:58:28] >> I don't know. I grew up in the deep
[4:58:29] south. We don't call the police.
[4:58:31] [laughter]
[4:58:32] >> That's true.
[4:58:34] >> We don't. Everybody got We do.
[4:58:37] [laughter]
[4:58:39] » That's why I need to move back there.
[4:58:42] >> I don't know if it's something we want
[4:58:43] to keep and then try to do a tracking
[4:58:45] system somehow and see where we're at
[4:58:47] next budget year. I don't know.
[4:58:52] We probably need to look into that with
[4:58:54] Darren or somebody and just see how we
[4:58:56] legally and how that fine gets reported
[4:59:00] to like the court system
[4:59:05] » and what would our cost be to have it
[4:59:08] legally?
[4:59:09] >> Yeah. So, we've turned in some things to
[4:59:11] our attorney before and he said send it
[4:59:14] to one of them send them to Bonville
[4:59:16] Collections but that's not on these.
[4:59:17] It's on
[4:59:20] to them, but nothing ever nothing ever.
[4:59:24] >> We we use Bonavville collections and
[4:59:26] we've used a different collection and
[4:59:29] that was the biggest waste of our time
[4:59:31] to send it into them. We never ever got
[4:59:34] anything. I
[4:59:38] Yeah, I'm not impressed with the
[4:59:39] collection agencies.
[4:59:42] If with these though, you can if it is
[4:59:45] on property, which is what these
[4:59:47] typically are, add it to the property
[4:59:49] tax. And most of the time, if they have
[4:59:51] a mortgage, they don't even know.
[4:59:56] » The mortgage company.
[4:59:57] >> So, I guess let's talk to Darren about
[4:59:58] that and see how that can be.
[5:00:01] So when I've assisted with it, again,
[5:00:03] this is just experience from where I was
[5:00:05] previous at. We would send them the
[5:00:08] first notice, they didn't respond. We
[5:00:10] send them a bill for the second notice,
[5:00:11] they didn't respond, send them the third
[5:00:13] notice bill, they don't respond. Then we
[5:00:15] would actually just send it to the
[5:00:18] property tax. We hire somebody to come
[5:00:20] do it and send everything to the
[5:00:22] property tax
[5:00:24] and then just get added to their
[5:00:26] property tax. And if they don't pay
[5:00:27] their property taxes in five years,
[5:00:31] So at what point do we do the process?
[5:00:37] » Yeah. So so we tically worked out this
[5:00:40] agreement with someone today. We told
[5:00:41] her we would give her six months and if
[5:00:44] it wasn't
[5:00:48] going to go to the city I mean we pay
[5:00:52] all those expenses then it gets added
[5:00:54] on.
[5:00:59] » So So if we get to that point, say we
[5:01:02] send all the notices and then we do an
[5:01:04] abatement and say it's 15 20 grand. What
[5:01:08] do we pay for that with?
[5:01:09] >> Yeah,
[5:01:10] >> because we're we might get it back when
[5:01:12] they sell the property on the tax sale,
[5:01:14] but it's not going to be soon.
[5:01:16] >> No, you just have to pay for it out.
[5:01:18] >> And I think when we met with today, it
[5:01:20] could be more than that.
[5:01:21] >> Oh, yeah.
[5:01:23] >> So then we would need to assess like how
[5:01:25] big the problem is, right?
[5:01:28] Do you want to do the automatic
[5:01:30] abatement before legal action or do you
[5:01:32] want to have the attorney get him in
[5:01:34] front of a judge and say, "Here's the
[5:01:36] problem."
[5:01:37] >> But Brandon Richards when he was our
[5:01:40] attorney, he said he did some of those
[5:01:42] before and they give them a long time.
[5:01:45] And they're like, "Okay, six months."
[5:01:46] Then they come back and say, "Well, I
[5:01:48] did a little bit. We'll give you six
[5:01:50] more months." So sometimes they can go
[5:01:51] on for years [cough]
[5:01:53] even after you get them in the court
[5:01:55] system.
[5:01:57] But collecting this what you're saying
[5:01:59] it's not going to pay for our attorney
[5:02:00] to go do any or pay for the abatement
[5:02:04] $20,000 abatement. None of this is
[5:02:08] >> we actually had a line item or like we
[5:02:11] do removal. So because you do have to
[5:02:13] pay for it up front.
[5:02:16] >> So what what amount did you have in
[5:02:19] there?
[5:02:20] >> I don't remember.
[5:02:22] >> That could be something that we should
[5:02:23] add. It was It was more than a couple
[5:02:26] thousand. I'll tell you that much. It
[5:02:28] was like 10 20.
[5:02:29] >> Well, because this one today we're
[5:02:31] talking about, you know, us pay like we
[5:02:33] call waste management. See if they'll do
[5:02:35] a 30
[5:02:37] yard dumpster, but then we're going to
[5:02:40] pay to have it hauled off because we
[5:02:42] figure that's going to be less expensive
[5:02:43] than if we do the wait to get.
[5:02:49] >> But even though you haul it off, you've
[5:02:51] noticed her.
[5:02:52] >> Yeah. Then you can add that to the
[5:02:54] property tax is my understanding but
[5:02:55] that would be a legal question. Yeah.
[5:02:59] >> So uh question Morgan
[5:03:01] >> uh these grandma requests fees are those
[5:03:04] set by the state or
[5:03:06] >> in the state you [clears throat] can
[5:03:08] only charge the dollar amount for the
[5:03:11] person that's qualified to do it.
[5:03:19] I would not touch a grammar request, but
[5:03:22] I I guess you so basic with grammar
[5:03:25] request, you have to tell them if it's
[5:03:28] going to take me six hours to complete,
[5:03:30] I need your money up front and then I
[5:03:33] will start the process.
[5:03:35] Like I just had a
[5:03:37] >> first hour is no cost, right? First no
[5:03:39] cost after 25
[5:03:43] hourly fee,
[5:03:45] you know,
[5:03:47] >> benefits,
[5:03:47] >> you know, like a lawyer charges $350.
[5:03:50] Why can't we charge 150 for
[5:03:56] >> you can only charge what that person
[5:03:58] makes? But I want to say you could
[5:04:00] include benefits.
[5:04:02] >> Okay.
[5:04:03] >> Total rewards. But don't quote me on I
[5:04:05] would look in.
[5:04:05] >> So would that be around 150 an hour for
[5:04:08] her?
[5:04:10] >> At least. You kidding me, Lori? At least
[5:04:12] 500.
[5:04:14] [laughter]
[5:04:15] >> Soda pop. It's probably [clears throat]
[5:04:17] >> No, that would be me. [laughter]
[5:04:20] >> Up to the max because that last request,
[5:04:23] I know how much time we spent and I
[5:04:26] don't know how much time she spent, but
[5:04:27] I know what I sent her and uh
[5:04:30] >> I know what I sent her, too.
[5:04:32] Yeah, there was a ton. And so I
[5:04:35] >> most people will back away when I tell
[5:04:37] them it's going to take me however long.
[5:04:39] I need this money up front. Never mind.
[5:04:42] >> Do that. You work really slow, right?
[5:04:44] >> Huh?
[5:04:45] >> When you do that, you work really slow.
[5:04:47] >> Well, it is it is a time because I
[5:04:49] collect it. Then I send it to our
[5:04:50] attorneys and say, "What can I release?
[5:04:52] What do I need to redact?"
[5:04:53] >> I agree that you should work for an
[5:04:56] hour. Take a 10-minute break. Works for
[5:04:58] an hour.
[5:04:58] >> She's very thorough.
[5:05:00] It's a legal process.
[5:05:02] >> I get
[5:05:05] so
[5:05:08] $25 enough.
[5:05:10] >> I mean, that's not
[5:05:13] really anymore.
[5:05:16] >> That's why I mean,
[5:05:18] >> and if you add benefits, it's definitely
[5:05:20] going to change it. So, I would
[5:05:21] definitely double check.
[5:05:23] >> What's it say at the restaurant when
[5:05:25] they don't know the prices? Like market
[5:05:26] rate.
[5:05:26] >> Yeah. Market rate. Morgan, just get the
[5:05:29] max out. That's legal
[5:05:31] [clears throat and cough]
[5:05:31] and let us know by what next Thursday.
[5:05:36] >> We'll put that in with these others.
[5:05:39] >> Yeah, that's just
[5:05:50] » so you might want to put on there just
[5:05:51] like market rate or whatever the current
[5:05:53] market like something that encompasses
[5:05:56] >> rather than
[5:05:58] all over the state.
[5:06:00] I swear it said no, but
[5:06:02] >> I suppose that could be a different
[5:06:05] person.
[5:06:06] >> So they requested something from
[5:06:08] engineering. We're have to pay our
[5:06:09] engineering rate, right?
[5:06:13] >> So market rate.
[5:06:16] >> Yeah, I'm fine. And then when they call,
[5:06:18] she can let them know what that is. like
[5:06:22] a restaurant with
[5:06:24] >> So, do we have to have these three
[5:06:25] things in the
[5:06:35] » If we have anything we need to change,
[5:06:37] we need to know because we need to get
[5:06:40] this
[5:06:41] we have to get the public noticed,
[5:06:44] right?
[5:06:44] >> Yeah. But it says the budget officer
[5:06:47] shall budget officer statement that the
[5:06:50] tenative budget includes a proposed tax
[5:06:52] rate increase. This is what the tenative
[5:06:56] budget has to include.
[5:06:58] Um taxing entity and it has to be the
[5:07:01] first meeting in May. The taxing entity
[5:07:04] includes on the agenda for the public
[5:07:06] meeting a separate identifi item
[5:07:09] notifying the public that an extensive
[5:07:12] or executive officer or budget officer
[5:07:14] of the tax entity intends to state in
[5:07:18] the public meeting that the tenative
[5:07:20] budget includes a proposed tax rate
[5:07:22] increase and then an entity shall
[5:07:25] present a property tax impact schedule
[5:07:28] that is separate from all other budget
[5:07:30] documents. But I don't think you have to
[5:07:33] actually
[5:07:35] like put that in. I don't know.
[5:07:38] >> I just I sorry to get all off topic, but
[5:07:41] on the said tenative budget for fiscal
[5:07:43] year
[5:07:45] including a proposed tax rate increase.
[5:07:48] >> I think that would cover it.
[5:07:50] >> And then you attach
[5:07:55] something.
[5:08:02] Yeah.
[5:08:05] >> Um, but I don't think we would have to
[5:08:08] put those in there.
[5:08:10] >> I wouldn't think so. Just as long as
[5:08:11] it's publicly heard.
[5:08:14] And then at a public meeting between May
[5:08:16] 1st and June 13th, the taxing entity
[5:08:19] includes on the agenda for the public
[5:08:22] meeting a separate item notifying the
[5:08:25] public that the executive officer or
[5:08:27] budget officer of the taxing entity
[5:08:30] intends to state the following. And then
[5:08:33] I have to state.
[5:08:35] >> Yeah, I think that's just
[5:08:44] » for
[5:08:47] hot dogs if anybody wants.
[5:08:52] » Okay. Anyway, so is there any new
[5:08:54] changes you want because we need to have
[5:08:56] this because this meeting is next
[5:08:58] Thursday.
[5:08:59] >> Yeah.
[5:09:00] >> And it needs to go out.
[5:09:02] I would say that you know probably worst
[5:09:05] case Monday I'll
[5:09:07] >> Monday before I leave the office I'll
[5:09:10] get you guys all updated lists copies
[5:09:13] >> so I guess my other question is the uh
[5:09:18] truth and taxation thing are we
[5:09:22] >> is that the decision that we are going
[5:09:24] to
[5:09:24] >> what's that
[5:09:25] >> yeah are we going to propose that
[5:09:28] >> so we so we can't make a decision
[5:09:32] We can kind of have a discussion as far
[5:09:34] as
[5:09:34] >> do you want it included in the budget?
[5:09:36] Should I leave it in the budget
[5:09:39] >> because
[5:09:41] it can be specific to something that's
[5:09:43] increasing?
[5:09:44] >> Yes.
[5:09:47] >> I think we do.
[5:09:53] » Okay. I'll leave it in the budget then.
[5:09:55] >> I get the feeling that everybody wants
[5:09:56] it left in the budget. I'm going to
[5:09:57] leave it in the budget. If you don't
[5:09:59] want it, you can propose otherwise.
[5:10:01] How's that? [laughter]
[5:10:02] >> I think we're within legal rounds of
[5:10:04] that.
[5:10:05] >> Even if it's approved because that's
[5:10:06] what they said. If people sometimes say
[5:10:08] they're going to do it, then you that
[5:10:11] doesn't mean we absolutely have to find
[5:10:14] that sheet.
[5:10:20] » Yes, we have to have it. And that's why
[5:10:23] I gave you like that checklist in the
[5:10:25] back is so that you guys hopefully it
[5:10:27] helps you a little bit to understand
[5:10:29] helps me as well. So
[5:10:30] >> Sherry, you're going to email everybody
[5:10:33] that new updated.
[5:10:35] >> I was going to look and see if I could
[5:10:36] find it right now. Okay. So one
[5:10:39] question. So if we want to have Carrie
[5:10:43] come, she told me she has availability
[5:10:46] in May. Do we want to have her come
[5:10:49] before we have the May meeting where
[5:10:52] we're saying
[5:10:54] the we're going to have our statement,
[5:10:56] then we're going to have our statement,
[5:10:57] then we're going to have our schedule.
[5:11:00] So, we have to have it before June 13th,
[5:11:04] which means that we have a council
[5:11:07] meeting June 4th
[5:11:10] that we have to have the public meeting.
[5:11:14] >> Are you talking before the public
[5:11:15] meeting?
[5:11:17] So I'm I'm thinking we would probably
[5:11:19] want her I would think to come probably
[5:11:22] in
[5:11:24] May so she could start I think the
[5:11:27] sooner we start to explain it
[5:11:29] >> just have to make sure we have time to
[5:11:31] give out information she
[5:11:35] >> right the most important thing is that
[5:11:36] we got to let people know because if
[5:11:39] they don't know if she comes then
[5:11:43] >> she said she has wide available
[5:11:46] the week of May 11th through the 15th.
[5:11:49] She's also available May 18th, 19th.
[5:11:53] Then she's leaving town May 21st, 26
[5:11:57] >> and then available May 27th, 28th.
[5:11:59] >> Council meeting.
[5:12:01] >> Well, and I don't know if we want to
[5:12:03] have it at a council meeting or we want
[5:12:05] to do a town hall meeting that hour
[5:12:08] before. I mean, we even start it earlier
[5:12:11] or we do it another day. I don't know. I
[5:12:14] leave town from the 15th council meeting
[5:12:17] on the 21st.
[5:12:19] So she's going to townst
[5:12:22] on the 21st
[5:12:23] >> and that is Memorial Week
[5:12:26] >> and I'm out of town the week before. Not
[5:12:28] saying you have to do it around me, but
[5:12:31] >> yeah,
[5:12:34] >> I'd be in favor of [clears throat] not
[5:12:36] having it
[5:12:38] the night of the council meeting, just
[5:12:40] having it separate. I think so too.
[5:12:46] » Well, you know what? It should be
[5:12:48] important enough to people that they
[5:12:49] will want to show up on whatever night
[5:12:52] we
[5:12:52] >> Yeah. headline. Think about raising your
[5:12:54] taxes. Come talk to us.
[5:12:55] >> There you go. Boom.
[5:12:58] >> So, you're thinking like maybe 7th.
[5:13:00] >> When do you say you're leaving?
[5:13:02] >> Or I leave the 15th.
[5:13:04] >> So, what if we even did What day did you
[5:13:07] say our
[5:13:08] >> about the 13th of May?
[5:13:10] Wednesday
[5:13:14] » or Tuesday?
[5:13:15] >> Yeah. What What about the 13th? That
[5:13:17] would be before you leave that
[5:13:19] Wednesday.
[5:13:21] >> You're leaving.
[5:13:22] >> I'm leaving the 15th.
[5:13:24] >> My after tax season recovery. [laughter]
[5:13:29] >> Sorry.
[5:13:30] >> That's why I'm going to work for
[5:13:33] [laughter]
[5:13:34] >> I have been
[5:13:37] a
[5:13:37] >> I'm done with my 65 hour weeks.
[5:13:41] district.
[5:13:43] >> Well, Wednesdays there's less crap going
[5:13:44] on, I think.
[5:13:47] [clears throat]
[5:13:49] Wednesday,
[5:13:51] >> Wednesday the 13th.
[5:13:54] >> Are we talking like a five, six?
[5:13:58] >> Well, we want a lot of residents to
[5:14:00] come. We'd be better off saying six.
[5:14:02] >> You definitely need to go to six.
[5:14:09] » So, she's gonna be
[5:14:10] >> she drives that from Salt Lake. She may
[5:14:13] I don't know.
[5:14:14] >> Find out what her schedule is, but
[5:14:15] >> okay. Maybe no earlier than 6.
[5:14:18] >> No earlier than six. We have to go to
[5:14:19] 7.8.
[5:14:21] >> So, her presentation is probably going
[5:14:23] to be uh down there. It was an hour and
[5:14:26] 15 minutes. And she's going to have a
[5:14:30] whole bunch of questions.
[5:14:31] >> She is gonna have a lot of questions.
[5:14:37] » I'm thinking six would be
[5:14:38] >> if she can make that work, go for it.
[5:14:43] » And then Sherry, find out how much more
[5:14:45] she charges to specifically put towards
[5:14:48] Flipper because
[5:14:49] >> you know the stuff that she was putting
[5:14:51] up there, that was part of what was
[5:14:53] confusing me a little bit. She was
[5:14:55] showing uh homes, what 10 different
[5:14:59] homes there. And then if somebody moved
[5:15:01] in, well, man, if that said, uh, you
[5:15:05] know, Del's homes here, Larry Roto's
[5:15:09] homes here, uh, his is worth a million,
[5:15:11] mine's worth a hundred,000. You know, I I think it'd be better if
[5:15:19] she could gauge it a little bit toward
[5:15:22] I think that she was just trying if
[5:15:25] everybody's houses were the same, but
[5:15:27] then one house's property value drops
[5:15:29] and all of a sudden the rest of you have
[5:15:31] to pay a little more because that
[5:15:33] person's paying less and then people
[5:15:35] say, "Well,
[5:15:38] >> it was just it was weird."
[5:15:48] » Okay.
[5:15:50] >> What else?
[5:15:52] Let me know if she needs anything from
[5:15:54] me, Sher. Otherwise, I'll just plan
[5:15:55] attending but not really presenting
[5:15:58] anything.
[5:15:59] >> Well, [clears throat and cough] we have
[5:16:01] specific. So, I think what we for sure
[5:16:03] want to know is that specific of those
[5:16:06] numbers of what it
[5:16:08] >> Yeah.
[5:16:09] >> So, that's why I'm like if whatever she
[5:16:10] needs, I can give her, but
[5:16:12] >> I won't plan on presenting because I
[5:16:14] don't want to take away from her by no
[5:16:16] means.
[5:16:20] » What's that? Diet Coke.
[5:16:22] >> Oh, I can go forever on Diet Coke. Can I
[5:16:24] Ryan
[5:16:27] [laughter]
[5:16:31] equivalent of the house
[5:16:36] to kind of show
[5:16:40] an
[5:16:44] [cough]
[5:16:47] » Yeah, that comparable.
[5:16:51] did that once that he went through all
[5:16:53] the cities in Weaver County and and we
[5:16:56] really weren't the highest. Well, we're
[5:16:58] not because
[5:17:01] » we were
[5:17:04] okay. So, let's get them.
[5:17:10] Okay. Any other things with the fee
[5:17:14] schedule at the moment?
[5:17:16] >> Not that big.
[5:17:17] >> Okay. If you have additional feel free
[5:17:20] to email me. I'd say, like I said,
[5:17:23] Monday, I need to try and get it back
[5:17:27] out to you guys with any changes and all
[5:17:29] changes. So, if you have anything that
[5:17:33] you think of that, you know, even if
[5:17:35] it's different from what's printed and
[5:17:36] you can't remember if we talked about
[5:17:38] the meeting, just shoot me an email. I'm
[5:17:40] happy to just verify that it's in there,
[5:17:43] please.
[5:17:43] >> And then, are you going to email us a
[5:17:45] copy of the uh and it will be the red
[5:17:48] line, right? Yes. Yeah. I'm gonna say
[5:17:50] this is what's there's a lot of stuff in
[5:17:53] there.
[5:17:53] >> A lot of stuff.
[5:17:55] >> You [laughter] mean I do something
[5:17:59] » at night?
[5:18:00] >> Yeah. You confuse my head. [laughter]
[5:18:07] I can ask about some checks on the check
[5:18:09] registry.
[5:18:11] >> Sure.
[5:18:17] » 11,000,000
[5:18:19] a couple differents.
[5:18:24] » Crossing cards. Thank you.
[5:18:29] » Are they
[5:18:33] dragonite displays? Is that
[5:18:36] >> fireworks?
[5:18:38] with this company for this year.
[5:18:41] >> I think so.
[5:18:43] >> Yeah, I think Jamie got in contact with
[5:18:45] a few and they were the cheapest.
[5:18:48] >> Does everybody know that Jamie's the one
[5:18:50] running it this year?
[5:18:52] Kudos to her
[5:19:02] mortgage or
[5:19:07] » I remember when that came across that
[5:19:13] say it's
[5:19:29] That's the morning attention base and
[5:19:33] that when we kind of finalized that
[5:19:36] lawsuit
[5:19:37] took their money and hired our own
[5:19:41] persons
[5:19:43] with their money.
[5:19:45] We paid him half and he's done.
[5:19:53] And it's their money.
[5:20:12] » Any other things?
[5:20:16] » Thank you everybody and thank you. I
[5:20:19] know this is exhausting and I really
[5:20:21] appreciate you taking all these hours
[5:20:23] like almost six.
[5:20:24] >> I think we can do another six hours.
[5:20:29] » I'm glad we wanted to move it up two
[5:20:31] hours.
[5:20:32] >> Yes.
[5:20:34] >> That was great.
[5:20:35] >> We went past 7:30. You lucked out
[5:20:38] >> a hot dog. Larry
[5:20:41] was
[5:20:45] » Yeah. They did a service project for the
[5:20:48] city. They gathered up garbage along the
[5:20:50] roads.
[5:20:51] >> We need to address.
[5:20:53] >> Uh yeah, probably.
[5:20:55] >> So would you say they gathered up
[5:20:57] garbage?
[5:20:57] >> Garbage. So they came and got orange
[5:20:59] bags from the city and they assigned
[5:21:01] roads,
[5:21:03] specific roads, and then they went out
[5:21:04] and gathered up garbage.
[5:21:06] >> And who is it?
[5:21:06] >> It's our ward.
[5:21:11] » Yeah. You gathered up garbage, please.
[5:21:15] an official
[5:21:17] >> um work meetings. We don't This is an
[5:21:19] official. So
[5:21:22] it Can I get a motion to adjourn?
[5:21:24] >> I move that we soon.
[5:21:27] >> Is there a second? Was that
[5:21:28] >> second?
[5:21:29] >> Okay. We had a motion by council member
[5:21:31] Craig, second by council member Hancock.
[5:21:33] All in favor?
[5:21:34] >> I