1 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:10,240 We would like to welcome you to our work 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,120 meeting. It is Thursday, May 7th, 2026. 3 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:14,880 We would like to excuse council member 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Fowers that has another obligation 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,119 tonight. We are going to start off 6 00:00:19,119 --> 00:00:22,240 because we have Deputy Gast with us. So, 7 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,199 we're going to start off with him. You 8 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:27,599 probably are aware if you've been on 9 00:00:27,599 --> 00:00:29,359 well, we've actually received a couple 10 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:32,480 of emails sent to us. If you've been on 11 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:34,559 social media, we're having a problem 12 00:00:34,559 --> 00:00:38,239 with some motorcycles. 13 00:00:38,239 --> 00:00:41,280 >> You're probably aware if you've been on 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,840 >> and we have a new law that came out 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,039 yesterday. So, I thought you just 16 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:48,960 explain that to us a little and then 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,039 maybe give us give us something of what 18 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:53,520 we can in a city, what we can do and 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,600 what we can't do because I've let our 20 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,840 residents know we are aware of this 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,960 problem and so anyway, so we appreciate 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,559 you being here with us. 23 00:01:02,559 --> 00:01:04,879 >> Absolutely. So, I'll be honest with you, 24 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,479 the law was posted to the 25 00:01:06,479 --> 00:01:09,360 legislaturator's website yesterday. So, 26 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,240 it's like swimming through mud trying to 27 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,960 understand all of it. Um, because 28 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:16,720 they've got five different sections on 29 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,320 five different things and each of them 30 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:21,280 coincide a little bit and they weave in 31 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,560 and out. Um I will say in my own 32 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,200 experience enforcing the law and traffic 33 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,920 out here traffic is all I do. Hoper does 34 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,799 have a traffic problem with electric 35 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:36,000 motorcycles, regular dirt bikes 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,439 and anything that has wheels on it 37 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:39,840 essentially is a problem here. 38 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,320 Um, so there are different 39 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:45,680 classifications for what an ebike is or 40 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,079 an electronic motorcycle. 41 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:50,320 Um, a bunch of different rules on 42 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,560 helmets and different things. So now 43 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,000 everything if it's got two wheels on it, 44 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,320 pretty much you wear a helmet. Depending 45 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,280 on what type it is will depend on 46 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,479 whether you have to have like a full 47 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:02,000 dirt bike helmet or just a regular 48 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,920 bicycle helmet. Um, again, trying to get 49 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,119 through all that is like swimming 50 00:02:07,119 --> 00:02:11,120 through mud to figure out what each 51 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,640 specific piece goes to. And I imagine as 52 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:18,560 highway safety continues to push this year that some of those things are 53 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,760 going to come out a little bit clearer 54 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,520 for us. 55 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,000 >> Um, 56 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,200 >> you said everything in two wheels 57 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,560 requires a helmet. I haven't read the 58 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,040 new law. Is that uh up to a certain age? 59 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,720 I know historically Utah's allowed 60 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,239 motorcyclist to not wear helmets if 61 00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:31,920 they're over 18. 62 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:34,239 >> Yeah. So, a normal motorcycle obviously 63 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:35,920 it falls in a completely different 64 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:37,360 category. 65 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,239 So, if you were over the age of I think 66 00:02:40,239 --> 00:02:42,879 it's 21 now, and I could be wrong. 67 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:45,200 >> It's not one we run into a lot. Most 68 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,720 people on motorcycles, especially out 69 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,879 here, are wearing helmets. Um, 70 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:52,560 on a traditional motorcycle though, from 71 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,000 what my understanding is, if you are 21 72 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 or older, you you don't have to wear 73 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,319 one. But if you're 20 or younger, you do 74 00:02:58,319 --> 00:02:59,200 have to wear it. 75 00:02:59,200 --> 00:02:59,920 >> Okay. 76 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,319 >> Um, 77 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:05,599 if you are 16 or younger, you can't 78 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:06,800 operate a 79 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,040 electric assisted bicycle. If you're 80 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,360 under 14, you can't operate an electric 81 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,200 assisted bicycle with the electronic 82 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,239 motor engaged on any public property, 83 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:18,959 highways, pathways, sidewalks, 84 00:03:18,959 --> 00:03:20,959 unless you are under the supervision of 85 00:03:20,959 --> 00:03:23,440 a parent or guardian. And anybody under 86 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,400 8 years old can't do it at all. 87 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,040 Um, 88 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,040 there are definitions as to what each of 89 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,560 those is. So, I'll give you just a quick 90 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,959 rundown. A class one electric assisted 91 00:03:34,959 --> 00:03:38,000 bicycle state statute. State 92 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,760 equipped with a motor or electronics 93 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,360 that provide assistance only when you 94 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,680 are pedaling and stops providing 95 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,120 assistance when the bicycle reaches a 96 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,080 speed limit of 20 mph. A class 2 97 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,360 electric assisted bicycle is the same 98 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,720 thing equipped with a motor or 99 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,720 electronics that may be used exclusively 100 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,360 to propel a bicycle and is not capable 101 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,040 of providing assistance when the bicycle 102 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,000 reaches a speed of 20 mph. So, as soon 103 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,159 as you hit 20, it says, "We don't know 104 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:06,560 how to do this anymore when it stops." 105 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,720 So, obviously, if you're going downhill, 106 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,720 um I guess the best one you could take 107 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,720 is 30th Street Monroe Boulevard. If 108 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,480 you're on it and you're you get to your 109 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,160 20 m hour and then you kick it up 110 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,919 pedaling, then yeah, you're going to get 111 00:04:17,919 --> 00:04:20,959 faster than that. Your electronic motor 112 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:22,639 is not doing any of that assistance 113 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:24,639 after that point. 114 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,440 The class 3 assisted bicycle is an 115 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:28,960 assisted bicycle equal to motor 116 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,080 electronics that provide assistance only 117 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,600 stops providing assistance when the 118 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,280 bicycle reaches a speed limit of 28 119 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,280 miles an hour and is equipped with a 120 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:38,960 speedometer. 121 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,560 Um 122 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,120 really countywide ebikes are a problem 123 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,479 statewide they're a problem. Every 124 00:04:44,479 --> 00:04:46,160 single police agency is posting about 125 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,560 them weekly it seems like on social 126 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,280 media. Um 127 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:53,680 but nobody like the a couple of these 128 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,600 things they're like I said they're just 129 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,400 muddy on what we're allowing and what 130 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,240 we're not allowing. Um, 131 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:02,960 >> so yeah. 132 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,199 >> So what type of support do we have for 133 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:06,800 enforcement? A lot of the things we've 134 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,120 seen posted on social media or people, 135 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,800 you know, they're they're tearing up our 136 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,160 street, they're running down the 137 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,080 sidewalk, you know, our culde-sacs, you 138 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,840 know, what are we going to do about this 139 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:17,520 is are those things that we just need to 140 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,440 case by case basis have them calling and 141 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,120 turning in and we'll try our best. 142 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,720 >> Yeah, exactly. Uh, I'll be honest with 143 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,479 you, we get a lot of calls for service 144 00:05:24,479 --> 00:05:26,639 out here every day on reckless drivers 145 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:29,759 and our dispatch is known or permanent 146 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:31,919 protocol is to just broadcast the 147 00:05:31,919 --> 00:05:33,280 attempt to locate and then the call 148 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,759 vanishes off our screen. So if there's 149 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:37,919 not a deputy or traffic deputy out here 150 00:05:37,919 --> 00:05:39,759 to go and grab it as soon as it comes in 151 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:42,400 by the time if the call sits and it's 152 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,000 just cold for a minute because we have a 153 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,560 deputy on a priority call or for example 154 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,000 I'm coming from far west and have to 155 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,520 come out here by the time I come to the 156 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,039 spot where they called it in the 157 00:05:51,039 --> 00:05:52,400 person's gone. 158 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:52,800 >> Yeah. 159 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,120 >> Um the same even if we're out here they 160 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,600 take off on us. I've been in more dirt 161 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,759 bike pursuits in Hooper or ebike 162 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:01,280 pursuits in this little city than any 163 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,919 other city in this in the county. Um, 164 00:06:03,919 --> 00:06:05,600 and we can't chase them because they're 165 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,840 kids and they're going they're going to 166 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:09,840 hurt themselves and we can't be 167 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:11,039 >> we don't want to be held liable for 168 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:12,080 that. We want we don't want to put them 169 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,680 in a position where they can hurt 170 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,919 themselves. Um, we have a great track 171 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:20,160 record of following up and finding them 172 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,680 eventually. 173 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,080 That's just it's going to have to be 174 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,560 case by case that it's called in. If 175 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,080 even better if they can identify them, 176 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,919 if they have video footage of it, it 177 00:06:29,919 --> 00:06:31,919 helps even more, especially if we're 178 00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:33,520 going to start looking at sighting 179 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,240 juveniles or their parents. You know, if 180 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,759 we're not here watching it happen in 181 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:39,919 front of us, but you have it beautiful 182 00:06:39,919 --> 00:06:43,039 on your Ring doorbell camera. You know, 183 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:45,199 we're we have deputies who know how to 184 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:47,199 reverse engineer the math on frames per 185 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:48,800 second to tell you how fast a vehicle is 186 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,440 driving past your house, right? It takes 187 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,960 a lot of leg work and stuff to go back 188 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,720 in and do, but we're willing to do that 189 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,360 to address the problem. We got we just 190 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,199 did one far west on the hidden road 191 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:02,400 truck mailbox. took us a week to get 192 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,759 through all the math and whatnot, but 193 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:05,360 the deputy was able to determine the car 194 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,639 was doing almost 50 miles an hour 195 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:07,759 through this residential neighborhood 196 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:10,400 when it guy's mailbox. 197 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,440 Um, but if they can identify them, that 198 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,360 is the biggest part because we just have 199 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,039 so many people in all the communities 200 00:07:17,039 --> 00:07:19,680 out here that soon as you throw a helmet 201 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,080 on, I don't know you. I don't know 202 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,080 anything about you. The ebikes aren't 203 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,000 equipped with license plates, so I can't 204 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,240 just go back and look at my dash camera 205 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,160 and hope that the video caught the 206 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,960 license plate or identifier number. You 207 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,880 know, we had one in September last year. 208 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,160 We were over at uh we were over by 209 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,680 Sinclair and we were coming or actually 210 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,080 we were 5700 South, 5,500 West just 211 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,240 running speed right there for the cars 212 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,720 coming out of Davis that are cruising. 213 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,599 The motorcycle came by us like 12 hour. 214 00:07:51,599 --> 00:07:52,639 We were just going to give the kid a 215 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:54,240 warning. Just say, "Hey, slow down." He 216 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,800 took off on us. The only thing we had on 217 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,879 it was just he had a Monster Energy logo 218 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:00,160 on the side of his dirt bike that we 219 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,520 could 220 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,039 And within an hour, we had caught him 221 00:08:03,039 --> 00:08:05,440 just right here west of the city hall. 222 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,560 So there are great opportunities to do 223 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,639 that. It's just a matter of identifying 224 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:13,039 the person to hold them accountable. 225 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:15,520 >> So what's the best thing we can do then 226 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,759 as a city, like you said, try to get the 227 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:19,599 people, but they write on our city 228 00:08:19,599 --> 00:08:21,680 property. And I know, you know, we've 229 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,479 called it in. We had them do they were 230 00:08:24,479 --> 00:08:27,520 doing donuts over on our basketball 231 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:33,440 court. So what what you want to what help can we be as a city council so 232 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,680 our residents know we we we understand 233 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:37,519 this is a serious problem we're not 234 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:39,200 turning a blind eye to this 235 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,360 >> right I think it's just understanding 236 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,360 what our limitations are as a sheriff's 237 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,800 office like people will give us the 238 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,320 spiel all the time if I stop somebody 239 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,160 for speeding and they're upset about it 240 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,760 like well you never stop the cars that 241 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,320 are speeding past you know my house or 242 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,160 you that car speeding right there my 243 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,000 favorite thing to tell people is I'm not 244 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,399 an an amoeba I can't split into two 245 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:02,640 things at one time. You happen to be the 246 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,880 one I caught now. I will be more than 247 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,519 happy to pay attention to these areas. 248 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:09,040 Um, but it's just being patient with us 249 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,120 and knowing that our staffing levels are 250 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,480 coming up, so you're going to see more 251 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,480 deputies on the road. I mean, we have 252 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:15,760 six deputies in their third phase of 253 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,399 training right now. A couple of them are 254 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:20,720 going to need another month or so, but 255 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,440 they're almost done. So that's six to 256 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,120 seven more police officers who are going 257 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,120 to be ready to go that can start 258 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,560 bolstering some of these numbers so that 259 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,720 you have better opportunity to see the 260 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,000 sheriff truck out here and just be 261 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,600 patient with us. Get as much information 262 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,880 for us as possible and just be 263 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,000 persistent. I know that's a lot of 264 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,519 people especially in the area of like 265 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:45,680 6300 West there's a lot of complaint 266 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:47,680 about reckless bikes and speeding and 267 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:50,160 everything. And the same thing I hear 268 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,600 day in and day out is just that we don't 269 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,360 care. I absolutely care. Um, speeding is 270 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,240 my favorite thing. I have two lasers in 271 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,320 my car. One that takes a video of you 272 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,519 and a radar in my car that it sws all 273 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:08,000 day on all night if I let it. So these 274 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,399 residents know where these kids live. 275 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:13,920 Like they do it enough 276 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,760 times. 277 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,040 If we had video on a phone, 278 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,949 >> I would think so. 279 00:10:24,959 --> 00:10:26,480 » It's a good point, Ryan. You know, one 280 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,959 of the things that the mayor, she posted 281 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:33,440 on the mayor page about the 282 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,680 doing donuts on our basketball court, 283 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:38,560 and one of the people commented, you 284 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:40,720 know, Mayor Karen, you know, there 285 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,800 >> and and it's like this idea that's like, 286 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,399 you know, we have nice, 287 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:45,760 >> we don't have a lot of money, but we 288 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,600 have nice stuff. We try to keep it nice, 289 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,720 you know what I mean? 290 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,120 >> And um 291 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,200 >> like I said, those are my kids. I don't 292 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,120 want somebody to tell me because I would 293 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,640 be the to walk them down here and put 294 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,079 them in a service project to clean up 295 00:10:58,079 --> 00:11:00,240 the mess they made, let alone deal with 296 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,000 the ramifications of probably losing 297 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,360 those bikes if they mine. And so I I 298 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,519 think that it also falls on the parents. 299 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:09,040 I don't know. We get them encouraged to 300 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,240 feel that they have a sense of 301 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,200 responsibility to protect this as well. 302 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:13,519 >> Yeah. 303 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:14,880 >> The other thing is we live in the 304 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,440 country and from what I hear the 305 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,200 conversation is about public roads, 306 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,279 public ways, all that stuff. There are a 307 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:22,560 lot of folks who have a little bit of 308 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,000 property you can rent your dirt bike on. 309 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,600 You can be in the dirt. you can do the 310 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,880 thing, you know, live out in the country 311 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,519 and play and you're side by side on the 312 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:32,399 in the field if it's yours, you know, 313 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:35,519 but um so I don't understand this idea, 314 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:36,959 but it happens at our house with a 315 00:11:36,959 --> 00:11:38,800 culdeac behind us. They spook our horses 316 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,079 constantly. They sit out there, rev up 317 00:11:40,079 --> 00:11:41,600 their engines on the dirt bikes and the 318 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,160 horses take off running and I don't know 319 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,519 who these kids are and who they belong. 320 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:46,560 See what happens. 321 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:47,680 >> It's adults, too. 322 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:48,000 >> Yeah. 323 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,160 I mean, we run into all kind of 324 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,640 clients along. Um, it's just some of the 325 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,680 parents we we call them and it's like, 326 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:59,920 >> oh, Johnny would never. 327 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,320 >> It's like I have Johnny by the scruff of 328 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,519 his neck right now. Like 329 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,040 >> my son's name is Johnny. Let's not use 330 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,200 Johnny. 331 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,720 >> No, Johnny better not. 332 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,480 >> You know what I mean? Like we get those 333 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:11,920 parents and we get the parents who are 334 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,160 like I stopped the kid in South A the 335 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,120 other night for doing 61 and the 25. 336 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,120 >> And when I called his mom, she was like, 337 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,639 "That's it. I'm selling this car." 338 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:21,680 >> Yeah. 339 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:24,480 I think if we had more support on the 340 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,959 back end that we didn't feel like we 341 00:12:26,959 --> 00:12:28,639 because there's only so much law 342 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:31,040 enforcement can do, right? We come, we 343 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,079 give you a piece of paper, we say, 344 00:12:32,079 --> 00:12:34,320 "Don't do that again. Stop your wrist." 345 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,320 Right? We can now take and hold the 346 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,839 ebikes um on a law enforcement hole if 347 00:12:39,839 --> 00:12:41,760 we need to. That's something they just 348 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,800 put in. I just saw that earlier as well. 349 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,480 Um 350 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:47,839 and the only people we can release them 351 00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:51,990 to is a parent 352 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,160 Are you getting to the point I've heard 353 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,160 it mentioned that there may be 354 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,839 repercussions for the parents of these 355 00:12:57,839 --> 00:13:00,480 kids too if they're not dealing with 356 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,639 >> I the state hasn't put any legislation 357 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:06,000 in for it. Um 358 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,120 if they're on a dirt bike for example 359 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,720 dirt bikes can't operate on the roadway 360 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,560 unless they're street legal which means 361 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:13,760 they need to have blinkers they need to 362 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,639 have a functioning headlight or whatever 363 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:18,880 >> the whole laundry list of things. 364 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,360 >> Um the can be issued a citation for 365 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,200 allowing an unlicensed person to drive 366 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,279 and the state just upped that violation 367 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:28,720 fine to I think $500. 368 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,560 >> I could be wrong. It could be could be 369 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:31,440 plus or minus, right? 370 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,399 >> Whatever will help. 371 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:33,920 >> Um 372 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,440 we the state just put a brand new law 373 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,720 and it went into effect yesterday that 374 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:37,839 if you don't have a valid driver's 375 00:13:37,839 --> 00:13:40,720 license, we shall impound your vehicle. 376 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,000 We've already done three vehicle 377 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,079 impounds for that countywide just as 378 00:13:44,079 --> 00:13:46,560 sheriff's office this week. And the same 379 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:47,920 can be done on these dirt bikes and 380 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,600 whatnot like You know, I I'm touching 381 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,920 nearly every city in this county, and I 382 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,360 just stopped a kid in Pleasant View the 383 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,880 other day who was ripping down Pleasant 384 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,680 View Drive and took me on a wild goose 385 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:01,360 chase through the entire city and then 386 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,720 hid on the side of his house so I 387 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,320 wouldn't find him. And he was 13. 388 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:13,509 So I don't think so much ebikes dirt 389 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:15,120 out near your house that loves to blast 390 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,800 through that through that back road. 391 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,440 >> I mean I don't see going over 20 miles 392 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,199 an hour. 393 00:14:21,199 --> 00:14:23,199 >> Usually it's adults and they're just 394 00:14:23,199 --> 00:14:25,680 leisurely riding. It's not the kids. 395 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,839 >> It's the kids under 396 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:29,680 >> you said they're already illegal to be 397 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,199 on the road in the first place. 398 00:14:31,199 --> 00:14:35,030 >> There's plenty 399 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,959 to be on the road because they don't 400 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:38,480 have a license and blinkers and all 401 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,120 these things. 402 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:39,839 >> Yeah. 403 00:14:39,839 --> 00:14:41,680 And the ebikes and whatnot in that 404 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,639 statute are allowed to operate on on the 405 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:47,360 road if they want. Um just because we're 406 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,040 encouraging bicyclists to already be on 407 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,279 the road anyway because I don't want an 408 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:52,880 adult bicyclist running your kid over on 409 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,360 the sidewalk rather than be in the road. 410 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,120 >> But I want the kid to be on the sidewalk 411 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,079 because I want them to be safe because 412 00:14:58,079 --> 00:14:59,839 they don't know how traffic works, 413 00:14:59,839 --> 00:15:00,959 right? 414 00:15:00,959 --> 00:15:02,560 >> But the ebikes can be there. They can be 415 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,639 on pathways and trails. But each 416 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:06,639 individual city or municipality can 417 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:08,800 create a city ordinance wherever that 418 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,560 tightens that and says no, we're not 419 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,120 going to allow it on our trail system. 420 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,880 Um I was looking through the city code 421 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,199 earlier. I didn't I couldn't find it 422 00:15:17,199 --> 00:15:18,480 because that's another big point of 423 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,600 complaint is the walking trail. Um when 424 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,440 the dirt bike we had an ebike take off 425 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,040 on us one I think the same day as the 426 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,120 other one I was talking about down here 427 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,600 and he actually it was the same bike. He 428 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,360 took off right there at 5100 south 429 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,800 through the field and onto the canal or 430 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,839 on the walking trail and up all the way 431 00:15:35,839 --> 00:15:38,560 to 5100 west where we lost him. We just 432 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,600 managed. But day in and day out that is 433 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,199 a complaint on at least the west side of 434 00:15:43,199 --> 00:15:45,199 5900 west is that they're out on the 435 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:46,399 walking trails and they're causing 436 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:47,040 problems. 437 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,600 >> Yeah. So, as a city council, maybe we 438 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,360 look at or maybe you guys look at 439 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,320 creating a new ordinance that puts the 440 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,720 teeth down on that and says, you know, 441 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,920 electric bikes, dirt bikes, any electric 442 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:01,920 assisted vehicle, 443 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,519 motorized vehicle, however it needs to 444 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:06,720 be worded, shall not be operating on the 445 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,839 trails within Hooper City or however you 446 00:16:09,839 --> 00:16:11,360 guys see that that ordinance needs to 447 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,360 work, right? Plane City, for example, 448 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,279 created an ordinance six or seven years 449 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:18,160 ago that allows street legal ATVs and 450 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,920 sideby sides to operate on the state or 451 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,040 on a city-owned property, city roads 452 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,399 because everybody in the city wanted to 453 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:25,759 be able to take their side by side 454 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:29,040 Maverick to get their drink right 455 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,600 here. If you're operating it on the road 456 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,360 and side by side that doesn't have a 457 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,360 license plate, it's not street legal, 458 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,480 we're going to stop you and we're going 459 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,320 to have a conversation. But in Plane 460 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:39,680 City, because their ordinance says they 461 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,160 can, we just say, "Oh, wow, that's 462 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,199 crazy." 463 00:16:43,199 --> 00:16:43,680 >> Yeah. 464 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,480 >> You know what I mean? 465 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:44,959 >> Yeah. 466 00:16:44,959 --> 00:16:46,880 >> So, 467 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,639 I mean, we got some golfers around here. 468 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:50,079 >> We need to look at the ordinance. I know 469 00:16:50,079 --> 00:16:51,759 last year we had talked about it because 470 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:53,519 we were having problems on the one 471 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:55,839 trail. So, we need to look at that 472 00:16:55,839 --> 00:16:56,480 again. 473 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,079 >> Well, I think we have signs on most of 474 00:16:58,079 --> 00:17:00,639 the trails that says no vehicles. 475 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:01,680 >> Yeah, but I don't know if we have an 476 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:02,800 ordinance in the back. 477 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,480 >> And that's where I'm because like I 478 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,319 said, I went looking. I'm all about 479 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,319 having the teeth on the back end. I will 480 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:09,679 go enforce whatever ordinance you want 481 00:17:09,679 --> 00:17:10,640 me to go enforce. 482 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:10,959 >> Yeah. 483 00:17:10,959 --> 00:17:13,199 >> As long as I have the teeth to go do it 484 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:15,679 >> because I'll go plug, you know, not me 485 00:17:15,679 --> 00:17:17,760 off the trail and say, "Hey, you can't 486 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,919 be here." You know, I drove my patrol 487 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:22,880 car down the trail two weeks ago. We had 488 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,199 a complaint. I was nearly on top of it. 489 00:17:25,199 --> 00:17:26,959 I popped off the road and I drove my 490 00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:29,440 patrol car down from 5900 West all along 491 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,200 the trail and popped out on 6300 West 492 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,440 and never found anybody. And then did 493 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,080 the same going back up off the east side 494 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,640 back on 5300 South. And I had good 495 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:39,679 conversations with the people who were 496 00:17:39,679 --> 00:17:41,520 walking on the trail. Saw the police car 497 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,600 with the lights flashing. who were 498 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:44,960 excited to see a police car on the 499 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,320 trail. They're like, "Oh, you actually 500 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,480 do care. You are here, right?" 501 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,559 >> Um, but give us I mean, if we can get 502 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:53,679 the teeth behind it to say, "No, we're 503 00:17:53,679 --> 00:17:55,520 going to do this as a city. We can't 504 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:56,880 have this." I think it's going to help 505 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,799 out for that problem. 506 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:01,200 >> And should people call 911, the 507 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:01,919 dispatch? 508 00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:02,960 >> I would just call have them call the 509 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,880 non-emergency dispatch line unless it is 510 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,320 an active emergency. 511 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,799 >> Okay? because they're the 911 taker is 512 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:10,160 going to give you the non-emergency line 513 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,320 anyway and say next time don't use this 514 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:12,960 line. 515 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,720 >> Okay. Okay. 516 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,000 >> Mayor, can I ask another question that's 517 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,760 not related to ebikes but kind of in the 518 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,919 same field? Um we had an opportunity 519 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:23,360 recently to see the incident report. Um 520 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,280 the trending incidents in our city and 521 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,280 we tend to have a lot less calls than 522 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,760 other cities even our size. Um and I'm 523 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,120 curious what are some of the things that 524 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,039 you're seeing trend here? I most of all 525 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:35,120 seem like traffic 526 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,679 and with the increased headcount and the 527 00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:39,120 increased, you know, cost that we're 528 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:40,320 talking about in our budget meeting 529 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,400 tonight um to maintain the contract with 530 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:43,760 the sheriff. What are some things that 531 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,200 we should be kind of considering? 532 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,160 Because when I looked at our report, 533 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,280 it's like there's really not 534 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:50,880 really traffic incidents or what you get 535 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,080 called out here for. So, you're not 536 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,080 really seeing any other issues. 537 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,679 >> I think it's just it's hit or miss. And 538 00:18:55,679 --> 00:18:57,679 I think that the data doesn't tell the 539 00:18:57,679 --> 00:19:00,000 whole story, right? 540 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,960 Every city has unique challenges, unique 541 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,440 problems, and they're problem people. 542 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,200 Um, one of my favorite Hoper residents 543 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,880 who was a royal pain in the butt no 544 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,919 longer lives here, um, lives in Ogden, 545 00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:14,080 which is a very good thing for the city. 546 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,000 Um, which I'm sure has driven your call 547 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,039 volume down, right? Um, it's a positive 548 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:21,440 if the call volume's low, means things 549 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,880 are going well out here, right? Um, 550 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,559 >> but we need to justify like we need to 551 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:27,840 be able to explain to our residents 552 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,600 because the 553 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,520 And so I want to be able to, you know, 554 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:32,640 have a 555 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,480 >> a clean conscience of telling people if 556 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,559 we need to discuss taxes or something 557 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:38,000 like that, like the value they're 558 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,360 getting out of the sheriff's department. 559 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:40,960 And I know I know there's 560 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,480 >> there I'm going to give you the best 561 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,080 political answer I can give you. I am 562 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,520 the low man on the polling pool for 563 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:45,840 that. 564 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:46,799 >> Sure. 565 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:49,840 >> Um, so I don't have all of the intric 566 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,360 intricate answers that, 567 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:52,720 >> you know, the political answer that I'm 568 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,160 sure my lieutenant would love me to give 569 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,840 right now. 570 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,280 There's a lot of stuff on the back end 571 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,120 that citizens aren't seeing that we are 572 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,760 doing things in the city, right? 573 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,000 >> The the extra cost is going to help pay 574 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,080 for additional detective positions. So, 575 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,160 when you're hit with a string of vehicle 576 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,440 burglaries, we have detectives who can 577 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,880 start working through those problems and 578 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,400 helping identify a suspect to get your 579 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,400 property back or hold somebody 580 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,360 accountable for those things. Um, an 581 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,200 extra traffic deputy when the traffic 582 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,200 unit goes back to 583 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,679 does. I mean, I spend I try to come out 584 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:29,840 here at least twice a week. In fact, I 585 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,360 just I was just telling you guys, I just 586 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,080 wrote a speeding ticket on 5,500 right 587 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,799 >> right before I came in here. Traffic is 588 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:39,280 a big concern. It is the biggest concern 589 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,880 of mine, right? My specialty is, but 590 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,039 this city is a freeway. If we can have a 591 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:47,280 couple extra deputies out here, I'm sure 592 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,440 that our complaints from citizens are 593 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,559 going to go down and additionally the 594 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:54,400 safety is going to go up, right? 595 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,159 >> We we actually talked a little bit about 596 00:20:56,159 --> 00:20:57,840 having our residents do more stuff and 597 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,440 get caught so we get more bang for our 598 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,200 bucks. I mean, that is an option, too. 599 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,320 >> But then that buck will go up. 600 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,080 >> Do you have worse 1800 becomes the offer 601 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,039 for the freeway? 602 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:14,960 >> Y this is just a pass through. 603 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,990 595 604 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,919 » and we're already seeing that. Um, 605 00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:25,440 speed wise, some of my biggest speed 606 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,159 violations have come out of work 607 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:30,799 in terms of miles hour, right? 608 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:31,919 >> Especially because you cross a couple 609 00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:34,080 school zones and we have some lower mile 610 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:34,480 areas. 611 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,320 >> Yeah. And what we've done to drop or 612 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,280 what you guys have done to drop the 613 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,200 speed limit to 30 on all of our thorough 614 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,640 affairs has been in my opinion great as 615 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,840 an opportunity is awesome. Nobody goes 616 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,480 30 miles an hour on 51 and nobody goes 617 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,679 30 miles an hour on 55 618 00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:53,600 >> control. 619 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,000 >> Yeah, Mayor's husband does. 620 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,880 >> At 4700 West, we went from having you 621 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,960 could go out there and sit for an hour 622 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,480 and stop 30 cars between two of you. And 623 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,720 now we we lucky if we're getting like 624 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,600 two or three a day. 625 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,720 >> You guys are attention. 626 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,000 >> Yeah, it got 627 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,840 >> people you'd see two deputies because we 628 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,360 would have to two deputies there. The 629 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:15,280 problem was so big. As soon as one 630 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,480 person was stopped, here comes another 631 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,320 car at 45 miles an hour and it's just a 632 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,440 concession all day long, right? And with the increase, obviously, we're 633 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,799 asking for a couple of new deputy 634 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:27,840 positions, right? Is that's needed. I 635 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,280 think the best part or the best way you 636 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,679 can articulate that to the citizens is 637 00:22:31,679 --> 00:22:34,240 our number. We're trying to shoot for 638 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,280 one deputy per 10,000 residents, right? 639 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,679 Presently, our number is, if I remember 640 00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:41,520 correctly, 641 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,400 52 deputies per 10,000. So we're we're under half of what we should be. 642 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,520 Right. 643 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,880 >> Ogden City is two for one, for example. 644 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,480 >> And they're running their tails off all 645 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,000 night long. They absolutely need two for 646 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,640 one, right? 647 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,679 >> Or three or four. 648 00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:57,360 >> Exactly. And there are nights where we 649 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,200 could need three or four, you know, 650 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,919 depending on the the night. I mean, the 651 00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:03,200 weather is getting warmer, so the call 652 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,480 volume is going to go up. And you're 653 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,240 going to see that in your 654 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,480 >> daily reports or your weekly report. As 655 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,559 the weather gets better, the crime 656 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:12,640 starts to get worse and the problems at 657 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,880 home start to get worse. 658 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,559 The same can be said as the weather gets 659 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:17,919 really bad because now people are kicked 660 00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:19,200 up at home and they start fighting with 661 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,480 their spouse and they start beating each 662 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,440 other. 663 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,360 >> So, you know, 664 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,960 >> but I think the best way to articulate 665 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,480 that to everybody is we're pushing to 666 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,159 get more deputies to push us to getting 667 00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:31,360 a safer ability for everybody, not just 668 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,520 the citizens, but for us, too. Well, I 669 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,960 think being able to articulate that the 670 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,720 one to a thousand, I mean, that puts 10 671 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,320 deputies out here, you know, and we 672 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,559 probably don't have a four or five that 673 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,400 are able to come out regularly. So, that 674 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,559 helps us understand how to explain that 675 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:45,200 as well. 676 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,280 >> Yeah. And I think right now, if I 677 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,799 remember the sheriff's exact number, I 678 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,200 think it takes us from 0.52 to 73 679 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:51,919 deputies. 680 00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:52,559 >> Yeah. 681 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,799 >> To because I think they're adding six 682 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:56,080 additional positions. 683 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:56,559 >> Yeah. 684 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,960 >> And I know the ask is obviously I'm sure 685 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,799 the ask is going to be more over the 686 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,919 next few years. 687 00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:05,280 How's retention? Are you still 688 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,480 struggling with that a lot? 689 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,840 >> Since the pay study went through, the 690 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,760 retention has been great. 691 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,159 >> I know like couple a while back you had 692 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:14,960 like eight deputies leave in 30 days. 693 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,320 >> I think it was like 13. 694 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,400 >> I know from January 1 to today, I think 695 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,480 we lost one. 696 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,039 >> Good. 697 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:24,720 >> And he was in the patch that was going 698 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,679 to leave anyway. 699 00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:25,919 >> Yeah. 700 00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:27,520 >> In the background. He just took longer 701 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,480 to get done. 702 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,679 >> So things are getting better. We just 703 00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:31,120 had a new lateral deputy start 704 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:32,240 yesterday. 705 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,799 from West Valley City. 706 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:36,720 He'll he'll need like a week or two in 707 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,480 the truck with a deputy here just to 708 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,679 learn our processes and then we're going 709 00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:42,000 to kick him out say please go be your 710 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,120 own. So we have two two that are 711 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,200 graduating the academy as we speak. 712 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,760 That's why Lieutenant Kger's not here. 713 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,600 So they're coming through and then I 714 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,720 think we're taking a couple more out of 715 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,720 the jail 716 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,400 putting them through an academy and it's 717 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,919 just a slow process. 718 00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:00,799 >> I want jail like inmates locked up. 719 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:08,470 behavior. 720 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,799 » So, tonight we have a public hearing and 721 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,039 because we're doing our um tenative 722 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,200 budget and then we're going to talk 723 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,799 about doing a truth and taxation and 724 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,480 part of that as council member Craig 725 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,799 said is for because we have an increased 726 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:24,400 amount. So if would you feel comfortable 727 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,279 if during the public not to call you on 728 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,520 the spot then but as we're discussing 729 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,520 that you could address just so some of 730 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,840 those same things you just told us I 731 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,520 think would help and we don't even know 732 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,200 we don't know if we're going to have a 733 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,240 lot of people come no one come but 734 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,080 >> just explaining that increase are you 735 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,120 going to be here 736 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,799 >> I will be here I am your event security 737 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:46,720 for that 738 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,480 >> um I'm sure I can at least touch on a 739 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,279 couple of the staffing issues and Yeah, 740 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:52,720 >> if we saw a large imposition of 741 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,159 questions, maybe we could follow you if 742 00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:56,880 you wouldn't mind and speak to that the 743 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,400 value of the staffing increase or maybe 744 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,120 even 745 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,960 >> articulating the challenge that you have 746 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,400 with speeding out here and the ability 747 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,240 to have one or more officers could just 748 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,919 offset that to a measure. 749 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:07,679 >> Yeah. 750 00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:09,679 >> Okay. Well, thank you. Absolutely. 751 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:11,200 >> We appreciate you being here. Okay. 752 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,559 We're going to move on because we have a 753 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,760 few other things. So, commercial hobby 754 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,799 kennel uses. So, we have a conditional 755 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,679 use permit right now for a kennel hobby 756 00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:23,840 kennel license. 757 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,679 So, I'm going to let Malcolm just 758 00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:27,279 explain that and then I'll tell you what 759 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,600 our attorney because I asked him for his 760 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,919 help on this 761 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:34,799 as far as what we can and can't do. 762 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,600 >> The planning commission reviewed a CUP 763 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,520 for a hobby kennel. It's been tabled, 764 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,440 but it'll go back to the next planning 765 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,279 commission and it's going well. They're 766 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:44,880 handling it well. had some additional 767 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,000 information they needed that was 768 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,440 pertinent to making a decision, but 769 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,080 staff and talking with Sher as well 770 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,320 thought that we should just take the 771 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,559 opportunity to look at our ordinance and 772 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:59,039 make sure there's not anything we want 773 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,600 to update. um 774 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,960 planning commission handled it well, but 775 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,320 I do think they felt a little bit 776 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:13,120 surprised maybe at some of the amount of dogs that were allowed in 777 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,159 different different options. So, if you 778 00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:21,520 look at the print out or the handout and 779 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,360 go down to those definitions, you can 780 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,640 see our kennel for commercial license. 781 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,200 Looks like four or more dogs and nine or 782 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,279 more cats, 783 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:36,000 no more than 10 animals for each acre. 784 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,480 Those are permitted in R1 zones. It does 785 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,799 look like when we about a year or two 786 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,720 ago, we introduced a R 75 zone. It's a 787 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,720 3/4 acre zone. It's also permitted 788 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,320 through a different ordinance for 789 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,880 commercial kennels. So, think of like 790 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,200 Kimble Estates over by the burnt church. 791 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,840 they could have a commercial kennel 792 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,720 under our current ordinance and then 793 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,159 with a hobby kennel, which is the one 794 00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:04,399 we're dealing with specifically, four to 795 00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:08,880 10 dogs can be maintained there. 796 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,159 So, there's really only so many 797 00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:11,520 conditions you can place on these. 798 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,799 Obviously, if we were going to change 799 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,399 anything, we'd work through it with 800 00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:16,799 legal counsel to make sure, you know, 801 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,440 the numbers were. 802 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,799 But I uh we probably get Morgan, do you 803 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,720 think you've been here longer? one or 804 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,399 two applications a year for a hobby 805 00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:29,679 kennel or a couple a year. So, not a 806 00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:32,559 ton, but we do see them. We do have one 807 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,240 commercial kennel that I'm aware of out 808 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,360 on 7500 West, but I don't know of any 809 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:45,750 others. Do you know of any others? 810 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,760 » Yeah, I think they're I think they're 811 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,549 not working. 812 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:55,039 » Yeah. Yeah, they had three acres if I 813 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:56,960 recall. So by the ordinance they could 814 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,679 have had about 30 dogs in. 815 00:28:59,679 --> 00:29:02,159 >> Well, I I sent this message to Darren. 816 00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:04,720 He's Darren's actually out of town at a 817 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,080 conference and so he's not going to be 818 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,159 with us tonight. So I asked him this 819 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:10,720 because I wanted to know and reason why 820 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,399 I wanted you to hear about this is 821 00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:14,159 because you end up hearing about it 822 00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:16,240 anyway. You know, this is something that 823 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,320 goes to planning commission, but if it's 824 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,399 an ordinance change, you know, they are 825 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:22,480 fulfilling whatever our ordinances are. 826 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,600 And so he said, according to Utah code 827 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,120 182 828 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,520 101-1, 829 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,240 a municipality may not adopt or enforce 830 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,960 a breed specific rural regulation or 831 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,679 ordinance regarding dogs. Any breed 832 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:40,240 specific rural regulation policy or 833 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,039 ordination regarding dogs as far as what 834 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:46,080 the breed is void. So we can't because 835 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,520 that was some of the questions that came 836 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,000 up at planning commission is that some 837 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,399 you know there were residents because 838 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:56,480 this specific breed of dog. But but so 839 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,600 we can't do this specific debris, but we 840 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,159 could change our ordinance as far as how 841 00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:06,310 many they could have. 842 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,120 » Yeah. 843 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760 >> Is there anything you're seeing in 844 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720 county planning that is indicating we 845 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,000 might want to tighten the rings at all? 846 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,120 Are we seeing it at a point where it's 847 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,640 like, "Hey guys, we might be allowing a 848 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,480 little too much." Or is it just at the 849 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,840 point that they were reviewing the code 850 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,200 to make an approval? They were like, 851 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,799 "Wow, I didn't realize we're opening 852 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:23,520 that much." 853 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,399 >> The ladder. 854 00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:24,880 >> Yeah. 855 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,720 >> I don't think demand is huge. I don't 856 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,240 think the demand is problematic. It 857 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,679 would just be the singularity. One 858 00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:31,679 instance of it just being a lot 859 00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,480 potentially, but that's not for me to 860 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,000 say. I just wanted to make sure we're 861 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,279 all aware of how many dogs you have. So, 862 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:38,720 you can have 10 for a hobby kennel, 863 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,159 which can be a lot in a resident's 864 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:41,200 neighborhood, I guess. 865 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,679 >> Yeah. What is a dog like? I know you can 866 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:45,440 have four animal units on an acre. What 867 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,520 is a dog considered in an Is it a fourth 868 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,320 of an animal unit or is there like a 869 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,640 >> Is a dog one animal unit 870 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,240 >> a quarter? I think it was 871 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,399 >> I I can look. I'm not sure if I ever 872 00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:57,919 noticed if it called it out. That's 873 00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:00,640 Yeah, horse is one, cows are one. I'll 874 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,600 pull it up real quick. 875 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,960 >> Yeah, I know cuz I looked into it. Like 876 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,440 a buffalo two. 877 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,960 You can get a elk. There's a lot of cool 878 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,480 things about animal units. I looked into 879 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,240 this. But but I want you to look through 880 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,720 this and you know we this is just a 881 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,679 discussion. We certainly aren't voting 882 00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:18,000 but I think if this is something as a 883 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,200 council you would like to see changed. 884 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,960 Again our planning commission is just 885 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,799 doing an excellent job at following our 886 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,360 ordinances but they and it's really hard 887 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,720 when you have residents come and say 888 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,480 well wait a minute we don't want to have 889 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,960 this breed of a dog this many dogs but 890 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,200 they're following our ordinance. 891 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,200 >> So if there's something legislative we 892 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,080 would like then that has to be up to us. 893 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,519 You know, it's not for this one that's 894 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,200 already applied because the ordinance 895 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,880 that is in place now is what they 896 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,159 applied under. 897 00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:47,600 >> Doesn't look like our animal unit 898 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,360 contemplates dogs because we have a 899 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,480 separate ordinance and I would say 900 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,159 that's unique to us. I looked at West 901 00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:56,240 Point and Plain City and West Haven and 902 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,240 they didn't really have it the same way 903 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,519 we do. It was kind of hard to 904 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:00,960 understand, but generally they would 905 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,000 have a maximum number you could have, 906 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000 you know, um without any different 907 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,360 conditions being placed. But then they 908 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,360 didn't define it specifically. It was 909 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,840 more it was looser at that point. You 910 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,360 would need conditional permit. You would 911 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,880 need it was kind of a one-off basis. So 912 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,880 they didn't limit themselves or you know 913 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,240 and I'm not sure that's exactly how it 914 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,360 could be done. But I guess what I mean 915 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,720 by that is for ours for instance I think 916 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,159 the hobby kennel was four to 10. Is that 917 00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:23,039 what it says there? 918 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:23,440 >> That's right. 919 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,200 >> So I would imagine you can have three 920 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,320 dogs uh prior to needing also someone 921 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,159 could have three dogs I'm guessing. But 922 00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:31,919 >> that's how most cities handled it. We 923 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:33,600 kind of do it inversely. We imply how 924 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,640 many dogs you can have before you need 925 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,080 to kennel. most of them at a maximum and 926 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,640 then after that implied that it would be 927 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,519 conditional or you know something extra 928 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:42,799 and then they didn't really limit 929 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,440 themselves and how many you know they 930 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,000 could allow or not and I guess at that 931 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,399 point then you can maybe one off decide 932 00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:51,200 but 933 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,720 >> that seems how their ordinance read but 934 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,399 it was different than ours right or 935 00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:55,440 wrong just a thought 936 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,720 >> well the reason why I'm asking is 937 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,720 because you think of like uh you know 938 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,799 especially commercial this is done for a 939 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:02,960 business and you got a guy who's raising 940 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,600 cattle and like you know, obviously it 941 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,600 takes a certain amount of feed, but like 942 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,919 that's also a business and it's like so, 943 00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:11,679 you know, are we are we being consistent 944 00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:13,360 there? That's my my question is like 945 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,440 we're allowing 30 on three acres. Well, 946 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,559 we allow 30 cows on three acres and what 947 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,240 does that break down animal unit as far 948 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,480 as commercial consideration? Like for a 949 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,840 hobby kennel in your personal life, 950 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,200 you're breeding for hunting, whatever. I 951 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,039 think that's probably a little different 952 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,279 private property use in my mind. But 953 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:30,640 when I think of like somebody 954 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,480 commercially raising like German 955 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,919 shepherds and selling them and uh it's 956 00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:37,679 the same business model. Am I raising 957 00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:39,760 goats or sheep or whatever and are we 958 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,360 being consistent or restrictive of 959 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,440 animal units there? I'm just curious. 960 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,070 >> Look into it as separating as 961 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,519 » Yeah, that's what I'm saying. like even 962 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,919 though we're not eating the dogs, you 963 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,200 know, even though we're, you know, but 964 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,880 we're of course we're using them for a 965 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,240 commercial purpose if they're at a 966 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,799 commercial kennel versus alpacas, you 967 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,360 know, um and so we would have a 968 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,880 restriction on that considering it is an 969 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,600 agricultural business use and this is a 970 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,039 version of animal has been dreaming 971 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,599 those dogs. I'm just curious if that's 972 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:11,919 part of the consistent consideration. 973 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:13,839 >> Well, when you review this and I don't 974 00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:15,520 know what we have already lined up for 975 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,760 our next agenda, then I know we have 976 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,879 budget So, we'll see. I mean, when we 977 00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,879 can fit this in, but we'll give you 978 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:24,560 enough notice that, you know, let's look 979 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,399 at this and see if if we think we're 980 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,960 fine with this. If we're not though, it 981 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,879 needs to be something that we decide so 982 00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:33,599 we can give that direction to the 983 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,720 >> Just curious on the agenda for the one 984 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:38,399 that we discussed when planning 985 00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:39,679 commission discussed there were two on 986 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,440 the agenda, but one of them pulled their 987 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,359 application. Does anybody know exactly 988 00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:45,440 why they pulled that? 989 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,960 >> There there was the owner of the 990 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,879 property. It was a tenant and the owner 991 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,879 didn't actually want a kennel. So, there 992 00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:52,159 was just a 993 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,839 >> there was an error on processing. We 994 00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:55,200 didn't realize it wasn't the owner 995 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,320 specifically in Well, we didn't realize 996 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,640 the owner had a problem with it. So, 997 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,599 >> yeah. Was there a rental unit? 998 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,599 >> Yeah, we can look at it in the future, 999 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:07,599 but so we're saying $4. 1000 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,119 I mean, if you go with any less than 1001 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,839 four out here in Hooker, the way I look 1002 00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:13,920 at it, we're going to run into problems 1003 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,200 because there's a lot of people that 1004 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,119 have three, four dogs, 1005 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,040 you know, 1006 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,960 and so then are we going to have to have 1007 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,000 them fill that out? I mean, are we going 1008 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,520 to run any more issues? 1009 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,240 >> I mean, my kids uh that live with me 1010 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:37,040 right now, they have three dogs and uh 1011 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,880 Real dogs are they little? 1012 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,599 >> No, one's actually a shepherd that they 1013 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:44,640 train with the police. It's an attack 1014 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,920 >> shepherd. But 1015 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,599 >> I can go out and play with that dog all 1016 00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,640 I want. When he's in train training 1017 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,280 mode, he's got a jacket on. And you 1018 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,960 know, you better watch out. 1019 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,920 >> But without that jacket on, that dog 1020 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,599 knows he's just a a regular dog. But you 1021 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,839 know, they've got three dogs in ours. 1022 00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:06,720 It's not just our house. I give you a 1023 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,320 >> list. 1024 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,240 You know, so if we go less than that, I 1025 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:10,720 think we're 1026 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,280 >> No, I don't think it would be less. I 1027 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,920 think it's Do we want to go up to 10, 1028 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,320 >> I think that is it, you know. I I don't 1029 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,599 think it and and um I I'm grateful for 1030 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,119 these people that came in and tried to 1031 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:24,960 do this the right way. You know, we 1032 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,160 probably have other people that are 1033 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,920 doing it and we just don't know about 1034 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,240 it. 1035 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:28,720 >> Sure. 1036 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,720 >> So, I really, you know, kudos to them 1037 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,320 that they did, but but that's the 1038 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,920 question. We can't do it. We can't discriminate, but do we want to 1039 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,520 have it be 10? 1040 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,079 >> So, 1041 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:41,520 >> and that's where it's at right now. 1042 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,800 >> Now, it's they can have it up to 1043 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,720 >> four to 10. 1044 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,000 >> And I think that's interesting, too, 1045 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,680 because there's also an animal 1046 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,240 restriction on like if it's a calf, like 1047 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,920 when it's paired with the mother. So, I 1048 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,000 wonder if like we consider, well, it's a 1049 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,280 litter they just had and maybe they're 1050 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,400 getting rid of some of them so we're not 1051 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,680 going to pick on it because they got six 1052 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,480 dogs, you know? 1053 00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,359 >> Yeah. 1054 00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:00,320 >> Sorry. 1055 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,000 >> Yeah, you can make it that 1056 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,200 raising 1057 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,880 dogs to sell commercially 1058 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,119 hobby. 1059 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:14,000 >> A lot of codes use four months. A lot of 1060 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000 codes contemplate four months as a 1061 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,079 threshold, right? That's I guess that's 1062 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,240 when they can go at least safely. So, a 1063 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:21,680 lot of them will have four months once a 1064 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,200 day. That's another thing if you did do 1065 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,880 it. Two thoughts just come to mind. I 1066 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,160 was looking over it again. We're 1067 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,800 allowing hobby kennels even in our four 1068 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,200 so quarter acre zones. So, that could be 1069 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,480 another thought. Even if you didn't 1070 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,240 reduce the number, you could at least 1071 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,160 consider what zones do we want hobby 1072 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,800 candles in. Quarter acre seems small, 1073 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,480 but maybe not. I don't know. 1074 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,160 >> It does seem small for 10, 1075 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,599 >> but uh so right now it is. Um and then 1076 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,000 beyond that, another little nuance if 1077 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,839 you guys do dive into if the council 1078 00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:52,079 dives into this. The other cities all 1079 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:53,440 had, and I'd have to read it again 1080 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,560 thoroughly, but they all make you 1081 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,320 register your dog. 1082 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,960 >> That's right. 1083 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,560 >> And we don't have anything requiring 1084 00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,760 that. So I don't know if it's that 1085 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,599 significant but you do register your dog 1086 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,960 with the help or animal control so that 1087 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,160 >> it has to have shots. 1088 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,640 >> Yeah. And we don't require that. So not 1089 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,960 probably not a huge deal but they do. So 1090 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,320 if we're going to go after it we might 1091 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,000 want to add some details like that. So I 1092 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,320 don't know. 1093 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,960 >> Especially if it's a kennel. I mean if 1094 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,720 it is a commercial I think there is a 1095 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,440 little bit difference but okay. Okay. 1096 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,240 We'll look at this and we'll 1097 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,839 >> So are we just going to put it on the 1098 00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:28,560 agenda and come up with something? Yeah, 1099 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,119 my feeling is if Yeah, we just say, 1100 00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:32,720 "Well, go look at it." 1101 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,720 >> No, it'll be on June. I haven't seen why 1102 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,480 we have on our next upcoming I know in 1103 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,800 June when we do the budget, it can only 1104 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,000 be budget. 1105 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,680 >> Yeah, we were going to do that probably 1106 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,520 June 4th. That was one thing I wanted to 1107 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,040 just kind of ask real quick. 1108 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,440 >> Yeah. 1109 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,599 >> Is um we have a public hearing um on the 1110 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,240 resolution for August 6, but we probably 1111 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:55,680 ought to add one for June. And I was 1112 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,160 >> Did you say August 6? 1113 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,400 And maybe I was proposing that we 1114 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,880 probably ought to add in the resolution 1115 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,359 to add the June 4th when we adopt that 1116 00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:06,400 resolution is 1117 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,119 >> okay 1118 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,200 >> and have two of them to cover ourselves 1119 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,560 to make sure we have 1120 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,240 >> okay so we probably could then without 1121 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,520 >> I haven't seen up in May but 1122 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,920 >> I think without 1123 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,880 >> I don't know 1124 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,880 >> what's the August meeting for 1125 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,040 >> the August would be also for a public 1126 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,160 hearing 1127 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,160 >> yeah thought we 1128 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,320 in tax. But but if you're doing the 1129 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,480 truth and taxation, 1130 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,960 >> they change 1131 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,440 more time. Okay, that's the same. 1132 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,240 >> Yeah. So the June 4th 1133 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,680 >> for and I'll have to read the exact 1134 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,000 wording because it's all changed so much 1135 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,240 this last year. But the June 4th would 1136 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,800 give us the option to basically say yes, 1137 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,720 we are for sure doing truth and 1138 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,680 taxation. We, you know, acknowledge that 1139 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,359 and we're waiting to do that final 1140 00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:02,160 budget 1141 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,640 >> even though July 1. 1142 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,520 >> What's that? 1143 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,640 >> Start July first. 1144 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,320 >> Well, with when you have truth and 1145 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,880 taxation, they give you till August. So, 1146 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,000 you operate on the tenative budget until 1147 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,200 you adopt the budget in August. 1148 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,320 So, that's 1149 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,640 >> So, could you do it all in June the 1150 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,599 same? 1151 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,960 >> I don't know if you could. I would love 1152 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,960 to. We could, but I don't know if you 1153 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,320 actually legally can. 1154 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,839 >> I know. And I talked to understand you 1155 00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:30,160 can 1156 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,480 >> county we you have to there's certain 1157 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,280 time and you have to ours can't be on 1158 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,359 the night of any other. So if like in 1159 00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:39,040 Wever Sewward District isn't doing one, 1160 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,720 but if the school district was doing 1161 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,800 one, if the fire they all have to be 1162 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,960 different nights and I'm and I don't 1163 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,560 know that we I don't know that's a good 1164 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:46,960 question. 1165 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,560 >> Yeah, because Darren was telling me I 1166 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,640 was asking questions about this like 1167 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,800 >> how committed we are on this proposal of 1168 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,040 the resolute whatever and explaining 1169 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,400 that we're going to still have like 1170 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,319 three more opportunities to vote this 1171 00:40:58,319 --> 00:40:59,760 down beforehand because the process 1172 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,160 requires specific amount of times for us 1173 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,160 to change our say no to this 1174 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,280 >> and everything I've ever and I've again 1175 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,359 I'd have to pull the law but every time 1176 00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:12,240 I've done truth and taxation the final 1177 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,119 truth and taxation is adopted in August 1178 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,880 and that's everything I've heard from 1179 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,839 every city. Now that being said, if the 1180 00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:22,000 truth and taxation 1181 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,920 relates to some type of a um 1182 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,680 expenditure, I of course encourage us 1183 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,560 not to do that expenditure 1184 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,720 until after that's been adopted because 1185 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:38,000 that can cause problems. So, you know, I 1186 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:38,240 know 1187 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,000 >> Oh, what you're saying is like if it is 1188 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,440 we've committing to paying for 1189 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,960 something, then we don't get the truth 1190 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,720 of taxation approved and now it's in our 1191 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,000 budget and we have to pay a bill. 1192 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:46,400 >> Yeah. 1193 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,000 >> We don't have the money. Yeah, we're 1194 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,920 like, "Oh, you're in the headlight 1195 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,400 look." 1196 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,400 >> Where in this case, I don't think the 1197 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,079 >> I don't think it's an option. Our option 1198 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:54,400 is 1199 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,520 >> not going to let us pay less, are they? 1200 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,640 >> I was going to say 1201 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,040 >> that's on your right. 1202 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,839 >> I mean, part of the part of the um 1203 00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:07,200 impact the property tax um proposed 1204 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,880 property tax impact schedule. It has the 1205 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,720 police on there, but I did that because 1206 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,920 that's what we're doing it for. But if 1207 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,680 it doesn't go through, we still have to 1208 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,200 pay that amount. It's just we're paying 1209 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,440 it from fund balance. So that's why I 1210 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,079 added at the very end. Therefore, let's 1211 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:28,400 say this will be a continued cost to the 1212 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,880 city. Therefore, it is not advised to 1213 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,720 use fund balance to fund these 1214 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,880 increases. you know, if it was a 1215 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,280 one-time expenditure, then, you know, 1216 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,119 maybe you use some fund balance and you 1217 00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:42,319 don't do the tax increase, but it's it's 1218 00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:45,040 going to continue. So, if we don't do it 1219 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,599 this year, I would still advise to do it 1220 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,520 next year because you can only use fund 1221 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,319 balance so long and fund balance runs 1222 00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:53,440 out. 1223 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,079 >> Yep. So, let's plan on then back to to 1224 00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,760 answer your question then because we're 1225 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,760 thinking about June. So at our next 1226 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,839 meeting in May, we will plan on having 1227 00:43:01,839 --> 00:43:05,520 this on the agenda to have some 1228 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,400 consideration for us to vote on. 1229 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,640 >> So maybe be thinking of that and you 1230 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,720 know, we'll get even more with Malcolm 1231 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,200 and some recommendations as far as do we 1232 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,760 want to reduce the amount of animals. 1233 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,599 The notes I wrote down, what zone do we 1234 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,680 allow them in, how many do we allow 1235 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,440 them, and do we want to then require 1236 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,920 them to have a licensing process along 1237 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,359 with that? 1238 00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:29,200 Anyway, those are some things we need to 1239 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,480 be considering. Okay. So, the next thing 1240 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,440 then is the lease agreement which is 1241 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,119 also in there because we passed the 1242 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,880 ordinance where all lease agreements 1243 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,200 will go before the city council. We've 1244 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,680 had someone that come came in and asked 1245 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,520 about doing a lease agreement along the 1246 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,160 Slooh, but they haven't finished all 1247 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,280 their paperwork yet, but that we may see 1248 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,640 that also in May. So, again, look at 1249 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,359 this. So, happened in the past is this 1250 00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:59,520 was something that staff did and there 1251 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,040 was a place there where the mayor signed 1252 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,520 it but it basically was they came in 1253 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,520 with some considerations with the staff 1254 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,240 and so you can read through this and see 1255 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,960 there's some things that I think we need 1256 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,359 to look at and maybe some things we we 1257 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:15,839 want to change is this something we want 1258 00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:18,880 to continue it's been $1 a year for 50 1259 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,000 years not all lease property along even 1260 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,880 along the slooh are the same amount of 1261 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,680 property 1262 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,920 Some have more, some have less. Some 1263 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,760 have animals in their lease property, 1264 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,400 some we haven't allowed animals, some we 1265 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,800 say it can only be so close to the 1266 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,720 slooh. 1267 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,400 So, I think this is something we need to 1268 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,880 look at a little more because we passed 1269 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,720 the ordinance saying we're going to do this, but we never looked at 1270 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,680 this as far as what we're going to do. 1271 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,560 I rent through it actually twice and I 1272 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,880 don't know what I tried on it looked 1273 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,560 pretty good but uh 1274 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,240 you know since those homes got put in 1275 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,520 along the I mean we used to live in it 1276 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,240 growing up as kids uh I knew it all real 1277 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,800 well but now with the homes there you 1278 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,359 know everything I read there I 1279 00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:12,960 >> I do find it interesting that we have it 1280 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,640 clearly state here in the lease that no 1281 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,800 motorized vehicle ATVs or whatever 1282 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,480 allowed, but then our ordinance doesn't 1283 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,920 say about our lease to the people who 1284 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,000 have the property next to that trail. 1285 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,440 >> It's in that agreement, but it's not in 1286 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,160 the ordinance. 1287 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:24,640 >> Yeah. 1288 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,400 >> Um what what I think is interesting 1289 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,280 though, we talked about is is like 1290 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,560 animals. 1291 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,960 >> And I mean, I feel like one of the 1292 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,240 things I love about it is that 1293 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,560 everyone's been able to do kind of their 1294 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,880 own thing as long as it's an improvement 1295 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,319 and it's not a damage. You know, it's 1296 00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:41,440 like something that's going to be 1297 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,760 beneficial. And walking along the trail, 1298 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,400 I mean, if they're not like vicious 1299 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,160 like people might like to see that. It's 1300 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,000 a little bit of connection to nature, 1301 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,319 whatever. So, I don't I don't know how 1302 00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:54,800 everyone else feels about having animals 1303 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,960 that closer or in that area of lease 1304 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,960 property, but I guess it depends on what 1305 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,800 animal, what type of animal, what we're 1306 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:01,200 doing. 1307 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,400 >> Goats would be great. 1308 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:02,800 >> Yeah. 1309 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,119 >> To eat all the 1310 00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:06,400 >> Yeah. 1311 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,520 >> A little bit of a problem. People 1312 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,670 walking down the trail with 1313 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,160 horrible. 1314 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,599 >> Yeah. gives join 1315 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,839 goats right there all the weeds and it 1316 00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:20,079 works great. Yeah. Well, and in here it 1317 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,240 says they have to be they can't be 1318 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,599 within 35 ft of the Slooh, but like you 1319 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,400 mentioned, you know, the one um the RV 1320 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,640 it's beautiful along there and right 1321 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,440 down here unfortunately the P's home is 1322 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,040 had that tragic fire, but they've 1323 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,960 landscaped down by the Slooh and it's 1324 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,520 really nice. But but that's something 1325 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,280 that we probably need to look at because 1326 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,359 currently ours says they they're not 1327 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:46,960 allowed to be within 35 ft. So anyway, 1328 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,599 those are just some things. Let's look 1329 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:51,680 at this and see because I know in the 1330 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,839 past it's been we've had um a particular 1331 00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:55,200 individual that wanted to put some 1332 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,240 horses and we've said no, you can't. 1333 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,800 Well, can we or not? Or is that 1334 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,400 something we want to change? If they 1335 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,160 can, is it a limit to how many they 1336 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:15,750 could put so they don't completely dirt 1337 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,000 Say your SWIP plan might have a problem 1338 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,359 with that. You might want to check with 1339 00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:20,800 JB on your SWIP 1340 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:27,589 >> board 1341 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,960 of these days. So I know exactly. 1342 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,400 >> Yeah. Well, and it's different. You take 1343 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,640 the Hard Landing Slooh is a little bit 1344 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,240 different of an area than when you take 1345 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,119 the one from 59 West. But anyway, this 1346 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,839 will be on our agenda next time, too. So 1347 00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:43,359 if you would just because if there are 1348 00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:46,480 any if this is great how it is then and 1349 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,480 again do you want them do you want them 1350 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,280 to come to a city council meeting and 1351 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,520 present this to you so you have a chance 1352 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,000 to vote that's how our ordinance reads 1353 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,520 so that's why we just want to have 1354 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,680 everything right you know and there 1355 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,760 might be bigger than even a slute we 1356 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,200 have another piece of property that 1357 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,119 again is a problem with our kids on 1358 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,280 motorbikes and I've had four different 1359 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,800 individuals that have asked about 1360 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,880 leasing that you know can they lease 1361 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,880 that and they'd put a fence around it, 1362 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,480 but again, they'd want to put maybe two 1363 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,720 or three horses or something in it to 1364 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,000 help eat it down because our our public 1365 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,760 works, they don't really have time to go 1366 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,160 mow it. Now it's tall and now we have 1367 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,040 these kids and but then we need to I 1368 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,720 think we need a little more maybe some 1369 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,000 specific rules of what we want 1370 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,400 >> even maybe in addition. 1371 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,880 >> I thought we 1372 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,119 like talked about these leases not being 1373 00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:42,480 when we were talking about wanting to 1374 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,800 see leases. I thought we excluded these 1375 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,240 like didn't I don't know. I thought when 1376 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:46,640 we said 1377 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,000 >> ones were already in place. 1378 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,000 >> Okay. We did want to see every new 1379 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,800 visited. 1380 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,680 >> Okay. 1381 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,720 >> Yeah. But but even even though one might 1382 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,160 be bigger than the other, I think we 1383 00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,920 still needed to have some designations 1384 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,839 with that then. You know, we can't say 1385 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:04,240 well yours is only 30 feet. You don't 1386 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,240 have this. Well, yours is 60 feet or 1387 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,240 some of those behind Herbert Landings 1388 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,480 are quite a distance or that one that 1389 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,400 runs along the Slooh that's on the 1390 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,559 corner of 51 and 55. We're having 1391 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,000 problems with the dirt bikes. 1392 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,559 >> Well, and like if they're going to put 1393 00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,640 animals on it, it needs it would be 1394 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,160 really 1395 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,800 helpful if the adjacent land owner 1396 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,559 because water is going to be an issue 1397 00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,480 when you're talking about down there. 1398 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:28,800 >> Yeah. 1399 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,119 >> Especially with a 35T setback from the 1400 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:32,640 so they don't walk the bank. 1401 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,839 >> So, it would make sense to probably gear 1402 00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:39,359 it towards the local land owner than it 1403 00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:40,559 would be somebody else is going to have 1404 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:41,920 to haul water. That's going to be their 1405 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,280 option. 1406 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,960 >> What do what do we do to maintain 1407 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,960 consistency of approval of these leases 1408 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,319 since everyone's going to be kind of a 1409 00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:51,040 unique scenario if we're going to visit 1410 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,040 it every time somebody's coming and want 1411 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,319 to approve something? How do we make 1412 00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:55,760 sure we're not just like arbitrarily 1413 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,000 deciding on a Tuesday here's how we feel 1414 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,119 about animals? You know what I mean? 1415 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:00,880 Like I'm being a little hyper. You know 1416 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,839 what I mean? Like how do we make sure It 1417 00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:06,079 was kind of an administrative task. I 1418 00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,559 think it'd be important that because the 1419 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,079 whole point of this, right, was so the 1420 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:11,119 city doesn't have to maintain 1421 00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:12,720 maintenance. So, if we don't issue a 1422 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,960 lease, now the city has to maintain that 1423 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,599 piece. Right. 1424 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,000 >> Exactly. And Darren even said in a lot 1425 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,400 of cities it's called a license rather 1426 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,079 than a lease which has a little bit 1427 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:23,839 different feel to it and then it is done 1428 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:26,720 administratively. I'm fine with these 1429 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,800 coming to city council, but I agree. we 1430 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,079 need to have something a little more 1431 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,079 written so it doesn't feel like we're 1432 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,880 letting you and not you then it becomes 1433 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,520 not fair. I think it needs to be and and 1434 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,599 we need to look at some of those other 1435 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,559 you know extenduating circumstances 1436 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,119 >> like just like you mentioned you know 1437 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,760 >> that 1438 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,359 if we're going to spend a ton of money 1439 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:53,280 on administrative uh 1440 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,440 things to deal with all this and all the 1441 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:56,960 issues that we're going to have to would 1442 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,559 it be cheaper just to 1443 00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,000 them and it not do a lease. 1444 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,839 >> Well, it it might except for in the past 1445 00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:05,359 they really haven't had time and it 1446 00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:08,559 hasn't gotten done and it is property 1447 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,359 that probably could be useful for 1448 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:12,640 somebody next to it. But 1449 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:13,920 >> I think it's something the residents 1450 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,240 like, right? Like a lot of our I mean 1451 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:17,680 people like making it a little bit 1452 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,440 custom. It makes the trail look cool 1453 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,520 because it you have to trust that people 1454 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,040 are doing the right thing, right? But it 1455 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,720 is kind of a fun thing to see everyone's 1456 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:25,680 unique 1457 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,200 >> approach to that piece. Can you give me 1458 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,359 a ride down there one time 1459 00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:30,559 >> with a live 1460 00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:31,760 >> locket? Yeah, 1461 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,520 >> we start at the top. 1462 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,359 >> I think when they say electronic 1463 00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:36,640 vehicles, they don't mean your jazzy 1464 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,440 scooter. You can ride the Jazzy scooter. 1465 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,640 >> Remember, there's no ordinance 1466 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,559 currently. 1467 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,240 >> Put your jazzy scooter on there. 1468 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:45,760 >> Okay. So, we have one more thing to 1469 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,119 cover, but Cammy, I don't want to run 1470 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:49,040 out of time. Do you have anything you 1471 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,200 need to address us before when it gets 1472 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,280 to this portion of the agenda? I am 1473 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,119 turning it over to Cammy because there 1474 00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:56,640 is exactness. 1475 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,960 >> Yeah, I have to read. You're gonna be 1476 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,079 tired of hearing me. Sorry, I apologize 1477 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,240 in advance. Oh, my husband does. So, I'm 1478 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,800 sure he's 1479 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,040 >> You might be watching. 1480 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,119 Can I bring up one thing with the 1481 00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:14,240 budget? Yes, I just 1482 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:23,270 typed 1483 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,839 property tax impact schedule. 1484 00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:27,599 >> Okay, I think I know what type 1485 00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,400 >> the one with the property tax rate. 1486 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:30,880 >> Yeah, 1487 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,720 >> the current property tax rate is 283 and 1488 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:38,400 the proposed one4798. 1489 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,119 I don't think that's accurate. I think 1490 00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:44,319 it's got to be 1491 00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:48,230 364ish. 1492 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:53,430 » To get the $368,000 1493 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,480 » probably. We We could be missing 1494 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,960 >> a couple of zeros for sure. 1495 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,000 >> I think so. That's on on the this impact 1496 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,880 schedule. 1497 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,599 >> It's on the It's right on the very front 1498 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,839 of the proposed property itself. 1499 00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:13,200 >> I did the math on a $450,000 home. Even 1500 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,599 0447 1501 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:19,119 was too high for what we're asking for. 1502 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,880 I came up with 0000 364. 1503 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,200 >> I think what I did 1504 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,680 and the county will actually 1505 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,839 >> give that to us, but it's good to have. 1506 00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:30,880 >> Yes, I'm like, 1507 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:31,359 >> yeah, 1508 00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:33,200 >> please double check me on everything. 1509 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,640 I'm paranoid on all this stuff. 1510 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,079 >> Why does the top say it's going from 1511 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:40,240 zero to zero and Yeah, that's what I had 1512 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:43,599 seen and we've corrected that. 1513 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:47,680 >> So I didn't know how important that 1514 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,079 >> I think it has to be. Yeah. Yeah. 1515 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:51,920 >> Somebody in the community. 1516 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,599 >> Okay. Well, Cammy's looking because I 1517 00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,119 we're almost out of time here and we 1518 00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:57,680 only have five minutes left. So last 1519 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,160 year and it was I don't remember how 1520 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,640 many months we put a moratorum on 1521 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,760 issuing business licenses for it was 1522 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,079 child any kind of youth facility because 1523 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:11,760 we had the drug treatment center that 1524 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,319 came. This is also something that we 1525 00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:17,040 need to look at because we have another 1526 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,720 one that is coming through and again 1527 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,160 this is one that's already in place but 1528 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,280 planning commission is going to see that you we need to see what we're going 1529 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,599 to do with this because we because it 1530 00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:29,760 came and went that moratorum came and 1531 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,160 went and we never did anything else 1532 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,480 about it. So the mortorium is lifted at 1533 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,920 this point 1534 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,559 >> and and currently in our ordinance and 1535 00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:40,800 we don't have a lot with that either do 1536 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,599 we other than our ordinance states that 1537 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:47,280 we do allow that in residential. So 1538 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,960 that's something we need to look at and 1539 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,400 if that's something we might need to 1540 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,839 change because currently our ordinance 1541 00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:54,400 allows it. 1542 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,920 We did look at that. 1543 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:56,319 >> Yeah, 1544 00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:57,839 >> we promised the res. 1545 00:54:57,839 --> 00:54:58,480 >> We did 1546 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,720 >> and it's robust. Drug and alcohol, child 1547 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:04,160 treatment, nursing, foster. We have a 1548 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,920 code and I think our code for a while 1549 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,760 was adequate. We shouldn't have a lot of 1550 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,200 requests, but we're getting more 1551 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,559 requests there. 1552 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:11,760 >> Yeah. And I was hoping 1553 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,079 >> I know we don't have a ordinance to 1554 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:14,880 solve it. So, 1555 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,800 >> and I asked Darren if he would also look 1556 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,720 into that and I didn't hear back from 1557 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,319 him. So, I can't give you any more 1558 00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:22,720 information because I told him I said 1559 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,440 what we need to legally what we can and 1560 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,520 cannot do. It doesn't smell good for us 1561 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,040 to say, "Oh, we didn't have this 1562 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,760 ordinance, you know, but then legally we 1563 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,839 can't." And then he wasn't we didn't get 1564 00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:38,160 >> so how long was that previous one? 1565 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,680 >> We It was six months, but it expired how 1566 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,680 many months ago? 1567 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,040 >> Yeah. So, can we just reenact the same 1568 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,119 exact one for another six months and 1569 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,520 then give us time to look at it or 1570 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,319 >> Well, I feel like that was kicking the 1571 00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:57,920 can down the road a little bit. I feel like we need to be proactive on 1572 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,559 this and get something done. 1573 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:04,160 >> Yeah, we need to do it was that we would 1574 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,200 do something. 1575 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,000 >> We did. 1576 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,829 >> Yeah. 1577 00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:13,520 » Put some heat on it. 1578 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,599 >> Yeah. So, so we need to So, again, you 1579 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,760 know, those So, I feel like the 1580 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,920 commercial these three things we've, you 1581 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,000 know, talked about in our work meeting 1582 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,520 and I always like to bring them to you 1583 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,280 to a work meeting first so you can kind 1584 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,359 of have it on your radar so we're not 1585 00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:30,240 just throwing an ordinance at you. So, 1586 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,440 this you'll see this. So, again, I don't 1587 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,040 know what else we have. Sometimes we 1588 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,799 already have things that are already 1589 00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:40,880 pres but anyway, but let's I think we 1590 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,359 absolutely need to do that. Yes. 1591 00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:45,920 >> Yeah. 1592 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,680 >> Okay. Cammy, did you have anything else 1593 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,079 for us then on that? 1594 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:52,079 >> I'm glad you saw that. 1595 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:53,920 >> I noticed the zeros, but I didn't notice 1596 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,640 all the other zeros. 1597 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,359 >> Okay. 1598 00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:03,910 >> Yeah. 1599 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:04,960 » My card. 1600 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:05,680 >> What's that? 1601 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:06,720 >> So, I'm just going to go put this away 1602 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:07,520 and I'll come back. 1603 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,520 >> Okay. What was that? What was that 1604 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:15,190 again? It's 0417736 1605 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,880 is the estimate. 1606 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:17,119 >> Okay. 1607 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,040 >> Yeah. Well, I was trying. 1608 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,640 >> At least it's not the 2.8. 1609 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,720 >> I don't think anybody. 1610 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,280 >> Yeah. Somebody else is coming. 1611 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,119 >> Oh, 1612 00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:30,960 I'm glad it's not us. 1613 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,160 >> I can't even imagine. 1614 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,760 >> I can't imagine for 1615 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:36,960 >> city. 1616 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,480 >> Well, they didn't get theirs approved 1617 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,240 last year. That's part of the reason we 1618 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,520 had so much this year. They didn't do it 1619 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:42,319 right last year. 1620 00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:49,829 >> They did their raises for their employ 1621 00:57:49,839 --> 00:57:53,270 2.8. 1622 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,000 » Yeah. It's like a 67% increase. 1623 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,599 >> Our sounds bad, 1624 00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:02,720 >> you know. 1625 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:17,750 >> Yeah. 1626 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:29,430 Well, I read the list. 1627 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:45,270 Can you 1628 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:59,589 » How do I get that job? 1629 00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:03,910 How many elk are we let? 1630 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,359 » We're not allowed. 1631 00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:07,280 >> No elk. Come on. That'd be awesome. 1632 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,520 >> But I do think I think an elk is two 1633 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,079 units. 1634 00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:11,359 >> That's hilarious. 1635 00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:12,960 >> You do have to get a special permit from 1636 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,280 the state before you can do any wild. 1637 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,160 >> Oh yeah. 1638 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,960 >> Yes. But it is interesting to know 1639 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,040 >> what what's qualified as it. 1640 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,880 >> We had an analopee in my neighborhood a 1641 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,839 while back and that got removed 1642 00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:31,030 >> because that's not legal. 1643 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,670 » Isn't the internet fun? 1644 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,440 » Well, I mean I think like 25 chickens is 1645 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,839 something to 1646 00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:44,079 >> but I mean imagine one and you got like 1647 00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:57,829 you know 100 chickens. 1648 00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:13,990 Recording in progress. 1649 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,079 We would like to welcome you to our city 1650 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:19,040 council meeting. It this is for Hipper 1651 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,319 City and it is Thursday, May 7th. I am 1652 01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,160 Sheri Bingham. I'm the mayor and I will 1653 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,040 be conducting this meeting. 1654 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,480 We are going to have our opening 1655 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,400 ceremony, a pledge of allegiance by 1656 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,000 Council Member Craig and then a 1657 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,240 reverence by Council Member Hancock. And 1658 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,559 we to excuse council member Fowlers who 1659 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:42,549 have another obligation. 1660 01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:45,200 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 1661 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,599 United States of America and to the 1662 01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:54,150 republic for it stands nation 1663 01:00:54,160 --> 01:01:01,030 for all. 1664 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,960 » Our father as we come before you tonight 1665 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,599 we wish to thank thee for this beautiful 1666 01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,480 city that we have to live in and 1667 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,359 the things that we enjoy as citizens of 1668 01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:14,079 the city. We to continue to watch over 1669 01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:16,480 us, keep the residents out of harm's 1670 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,720 way, and guide us in directions that 1671 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,440 will benefit our city and help maintain 1672 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,480 an atmosphere out here that we have all 1673 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,960 grown to love. We ask you to 1674 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,240 watch over um members of the community 1675 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,240 and help us to answer questions that 1676 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,280 they may have as best as we can and 1677 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,359 guide us in the directions that we 1678 01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:40,880 should proceed with the things that we 1679 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,480 decide. We ask these things in the name 1680 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,160 of Jesus Christ. Amen. 1681 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,559 >> Thank you. 1682 01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:50,720 We don't have any upcoming events to 1683 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,799 announce right now and so the first 1684 01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:54,880 thing on our agenda is public comments. 1685 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,640 If you have a public comment, if you 1686 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,119 would come to the microphone, state your 1687 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:06,230 name and you have three minutes. 1688 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,640 Okay. Seeing no public comments, then 1689 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,799 we're going to move on to the approval 1690 01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:13,040 of the minutes. Hopefully, all of you 1691 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,079 have had a chance to review the minutes. 1692 01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:19,200 If there's any corrections to those, 1693 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,920 >> I have one correction there. Um, it 1694 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,839 says, "Council members, excuse it hasn't 1695 01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:25,839 been listed there. I actually joined for 1696 01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:27,680 the closed door meeting. I was stuck in 1697 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,359 transit in an airplane and couldn't 1698 01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:31,440 attend the meeting virtually, but I did 1699 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,200 join for the closed door meeting and 1700 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,520 voted on the water attorney and voted on 1701 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,200 the adjournment." So I need to update 1702 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,280 that and say I was present for the 1703 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,589 closed door meeting and the adjournment. 1704 01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:46,240 » Is there any other corrections that 1705 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,200 anyone saw? 1706 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,720 >> Okay. Is there someone then that would 1707 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,480 like to make a motion with that 1708 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,640 correction to approve the minutes? 1709 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,720 >> So moved. 1710 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,799 >> Move. The motion was made by council 1711 01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:00,720 member Craig. Is there a second? 1712 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:01,359 >> Second. 1713 01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:03,839 >> Second's made by council member Heel. 1714 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:07,440 Any discussion on the motion? 1715 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,359 See no discussion. All in favor say I. 1716 01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,920 >> Any opposed? Okay. The minutes are 1717 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:21,829 approved. 1718 01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:25,280 Okay. So the next thing we have then on 1719 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:30,240 our agenda, this is a public hearing to 1720 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,400 on our for the fiscal year 2026 1721 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,640 to 2027 tenative budget. Again, you can 1722 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,480 come to the microphone and have three 1723 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,000 minutes and if you would please state 1724 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:48,710 your name. 1725 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:49,599 » Okay. 1726 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:51,839 Is is this open for anybody or are we 1727 01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:53,440 talking about the budget? 1728 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,480 >> We already had our public comments. So, 1729 01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:03,990 this is open for on the budget. 1730 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,359 Okay. And I actually needed to move that 1731 01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,119 have someone move us into a public 1732 01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:10,720 hearing and then bring us back out of 1733 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,880 the public hearing. So, if I could have 1734 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,119 a motion to move this into a public 1735 01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,200 hearing. I make a motion to move us into 1736 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,559 a public hearing to discuss the uh 1737 01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:24,480 fiscal year 2026 2027 tenative budget. 1738 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,559 >> Motion was made by council member Craig. 1739 01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:27,839 Is there a second? 1740 01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:29,119 >> I'll second it. 1741 01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:30,640 >> Second was made by council member 1742 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,720 Hancock. All in favor? 1743 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:33,520 >> I. 1744 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,359 >> So now we're moving into our public 1745 01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:38,079 hearing. So if there's anybody, and this 1746 01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:40,079 is on the budget, the tenative budget 1747 01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:44,559 for fiscal year 2026 27. there's anyone 1748 01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:49,589 that has a comment to make. 1749 01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:51,359 Okay, seeing none, then we have to have 1750 01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:53,440 a motion to move back into our regular 1751 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,839 meeting. 1752 01:04:55,839 --> 01:04:57,760 >> I'll make a motion to move back into the 1753 01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,359 regular meeting of the public hearing 1754 01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:02,079 for the tenative budget fiscal year 1755 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:03,680 2627. 1756 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,359 >> The motion was made by council member 1757 01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:08,559 Hancock. Is there a second? 1758 01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:09,760 >> I'll second. 1759 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,400 >> Second is made by council member Rapto. 1760 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:13,760 All in favor? 1761 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:14,720 >> I. 1762 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,240 >> Okay. So, now we're back into our 1763 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,760 regular meeting. So, tonight our action 1764 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,160 item number eight has to do with our 1765 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,280 tenative budget and we're going to turn 1766 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,400 the time over to County Moss who is our 1767 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,280 city treasurer and she's going to take 1768 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,520 us through exactly what we need to do as 1769 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,760 far as this process. Thank you for being 1770 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,799 here with us. 1771 01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:42,079 >> Okay. So, um 1772 01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:44,400 Is it okay? Morgan's got a little 1773 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,319 slideshow, but um it's basically just a 1774 01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:51,440 summary of the budget that you've all 1775 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,920 gone through and uh studied with all the 1776 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,920 fun that we've had. So, um and then 1777 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,760 there's also handouts for the puppet 1778 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,200 over there on the table. Um just with 1779 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,160 the summary. Uh however the budget once 1780 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,400 the tenative budget has been approved 1781 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,559 we'll put it on the website and do all 1782 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,440 the proper um information that we need 1783 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,319 to with this. Um so right now the 1784 01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:22,319 tenative budget is got a total income of 1785 01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:26,160 4.2 million for the general fund and 1786 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,000 then our expenditures would be 4.8. 1787 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,720 Um there's a shortfall of uh 601,000 1788 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,760 in that budget. Uh that 601 is planning 1789 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,480 on being spent from the class C roads 1790 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,799 restricted funds to do some road 1791 01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:47,039 improvements. So we are spending part of 1792 01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:51,520 our class C roads money down. Um but 1793 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,599 that I feel is a good decision. Um on 1794 01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:59,039 the next page, next slide, um the 1795 01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:03,440 proposed property tax that that amount 1796 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,160 does include a proposed property tax. 1797 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,359 Um, everybody uh was given the 1798 01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:11,359 opportunity to pick up the proposed 1799 01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:14,880 property tax impact schedule. Um, we did 1800 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,960 see one little typo. We forgot to add 1801 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,039 some zeros on the proposed tax rate. So, 1802 01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:20,960 that has been replaced over by the door 1803 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,720 for anybody that would like to grab 1804 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:27,200 that. Um, so basically, uh, the prop for 1805 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,280 city's proposed property or current 1806 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:34,630 property tax rate is 0.00283. 1807 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,599 Um the current property tax revenue 1808 01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:41,680 generates about 268,000. 1809 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:46,079 Um the proposed property tax rate would 1810 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:52,390 be 0.004736. 1811 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,950 That generates 396,94 1812 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,359 approximately. These are estimates of of 1813 01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:01,920 course um the additional property tax 1814 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,680 revenue that we are trying to generate 1815 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,240 is 128,000. 1816 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,440 Um the 128,000 1817 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,400 would estimated increase in the property 1818 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,839 tax rate is 47.61%. 1819 01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:20,080 But that is um just a that percentage is 1820 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,960 kind of misleading I'll be honest. 1821 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,960 Um as we've all discussed um 1822 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,120 increase for a primary residence of 1823 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,799 $450,000 1824 01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:34,560 would be approximately $36.38 1825 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,239 a year. Um, so it's not a huge increase. 1826 01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:40,719 The estimated increase for business 1827 01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:43,440 value at that $450,000 would be about 1828 01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:45,839 $6063 1829 01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:47,600 a year. 1830 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,120 Um, 1831 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,040 again, these are estimates. We won't 1832 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,920 know the totals exactly until the county 1833 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,640 actually provides that to us. 1834 01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,440 Can I just can have you make one um 1835 01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:01,359 clarification this too because I'm sure 1836 01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:03,120 a lot of people are looking at this and 1837 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,080 saying when we talk about a primary 1838 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,560 residence of 450,000 and people are 1839 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,920 saying our home is valued at more than 1840 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,120 that but it's because the county you do 1841 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,839 not get taxed on 100%. 1842 01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:20,480 >> No, you do not get taxed on 100% when 1843 01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:22,719 you're a primary residence. However, 1844 01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:24,880 you're a business, you are taxed on 1845 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,600 100%. So that's why there is the 1846 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,960 difference on that. Um, so just because 1847 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,239 your home's valued at 450,000, 1848 01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,799 you're not taxed on that 450,000. 1849 01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:41,199 There's the residency exemption on that. 1850 01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:46,799 Um okay. So on the next page, 1851 01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:49,440 the proposed property tax impact fee 1852 01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:52,159 schedule states that the effective 1853 01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,239 department would be within the police 1854 01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:56,239 department. Um we've discussed I don't 1855 01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:59,280 think it's any front page news that the 1856 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,560 um county uh sheriff's department has 1857 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,280 asked for $128,000 1858 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,679 increase to fund six new officers. Uh as 1859 01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:12,239 part of funding that six new officers 1860 01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:16,480 that will be a well the 128,000 will be 1861 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:19,679 a continual expense to the city. Um that 1862 01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:23,679 being said it is not advised from a 1863 01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:26,880 financial standpoint to use fund balance 1864 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,080 to pay for that. Unfortunately you have 1865 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,920 to come up with new money in order to 1866 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,760 pay for that increase in cost. So, it is 1867 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,360 advised to do um a property tax increase 1868 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,600 because fund balance can only be used 1869 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,000 for so long and then it runs out and 1870 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,719 this is going to be a year after year 1871 01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:50,719 expense that we need to um recognize 1872 01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:52,960 that we're going to have not just a one 1873 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,320 time expense with this. Um so, the hope 1874 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,600 with this is to generate the $128,000 1875 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,040 increase from the police department if 1876 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,440 this property increase does not go 1877 01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:07,040 through we will have to pull that from 1878 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,480 fund balance is what the tenative budget 1879 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,360 has got included 1880 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,239 any questions up to that point 1881 01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:17,120 >> I apologize 1882 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,600 >> you're I don't want to get no weeds on 1883 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,040 the rate but my math comes up $60 per 1884 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:32,630 res 1885 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,520 incorrect Again, these are estimates, 1886 01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,679 but yeah, thank you, Ryan. 1887 01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:39,440 >> Before we vote on that, I'd like it to 1888 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:41,280 be fairly accurate. 1889 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:41,760 >> Okay. 1890 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:46,229 >> Before we 1891 01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:48,719 can figure that out real quick. 1892 01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:49,199 >> Okay. 1893 01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:49,679 >> Um, 1894 01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:51,120 >> go ahead and come back to that. 1895 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,719 >> Okay. Yeah, I'll come back on that. Um, 1896 01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:57,600 okay. So the capital projects fund on 1897 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,440 the next slide we've uh 1898 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:04,560 got $526,000 1899 01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,520 worth of income. Our expenditures are 1900 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,840 474,000. 1901 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,239 Um so that's the capital projects fund. 1902 01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:17,760 Then we go to the sewer fund. 1903 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,600 The total income on that one is 2.3. 1904 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,199 The total expenditures is 3.2. 1905 01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:27,520 Part of that is some large capital 1906 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,600 improvements that we've discussed that 1907 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,159 the sewer system needs and we've um 1908 01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:34,320 decided which ones we want to fund this 1909 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,400 year with that. That does leave that 1910 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,920 fund in a decrease in fund balance of 1911 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:44,630 894,000. 1912 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:49,120 Um okay, on our next one, garbage. Our 1913 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,640 total income is 92,000 1914 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,000 and our expenditures are also 92,000. 1915 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,600 We're pretty close to break even on that 1916 01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,280 fund. 1917 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,280 And then our sewer storm water is um 1918 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,310 478606. 1919 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,480 Um revenue expenditures is 1.1 that 1920 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:14,159 includes a capital project of 880,000 1921 01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:18,159 that we have also discussed. So that is 1922 01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:20,239 what the tenative budget in a nutshell 1923 01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:24,000 but you have the whole beautiful one. 1924 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,679 So 1925 01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:28,800 um so that is what the tenative budget 1926 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,760 has included. 1927 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:37,040 Um, so as part of this, um, I have to 1928 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,440 say certain wording and stuff. So I'm 1929 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,120 just going to read it exactly off the 1930 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,000 agenda so that we are hopefully covered 1931 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,239 with everything because they are become 1932 01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:50,880 very very picky on this. So 1933 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,000 um, 1934 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,000 >> you are referring to the state, right? 1935 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,159 >> Yes. 1936 01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:01,199 So um, 1937 01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,080 Basically, uh, I'll just read through 1938 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,199 it. Um, the action item is a motion to 1939 01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:09,679 adopt the tenative budget for fiscal 1940 01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:13,120 year 26 to 27, including a proposed 1941 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:17,040 property tax increase. Consideration of 1942 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,560 resolution 1943 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,800 2026-01, 1944 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,199 a resolution for the city for the 1945 01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:25,840 council of River City acknowledging the 1946 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,560 filing of the tenative budget for fiscal 1947 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,040 year 2627 1948 01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,000 prepared by the budget officer pursuant 1949 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,400 to section 10611 1950 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,120 of the Utah code adopting the tenative 1951 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,600 budget subject to further review and 1952 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,480 consideration by the council. We're 1953 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:47,280 establishing a date and time to place a 1954 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,920 public hearing on the timid budget prior 1955 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,239 to the adoption of the final budget for 1956 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:55,280 the fiscal year 2627 subject to the 1957 01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:00,640 requirements of section 59 to 9119 and 1958 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,719 592924 1959 01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:05,600 of the Utah code ordering public 1960 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,560 publication of notices as required by 1961 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,880 law and ordering the tenative budget to 1962 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,640 be available to the for public 1963 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,640 inspection in the office city and on the 1964 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,960 city's website for at least 10 days 1965 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,719 prior to the adoption of the final 1966 01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,600 budget. The budget officer intends to 1967 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,600 state that the tenative budget includes 1968 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,560 a proposed property tax increase, which 1969 01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,760 I have done. Statement of the public 1970 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,520 officer that the tenative budget 1971 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,760 includes a proposed property tax rate 1972 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,640 increase. Oh, sorry, I read that twice. 1973 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,920 The office budget officer presents and 1974 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,400 makes available to the public of 1975 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,960 property tax impact schedule as a 1976 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,640 separate document from the budget 1977 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,910 documents. 1978 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,360 Consideration of resolution 261, a 1979 01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,920 resolution of the city council of 1980 01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:03,040 acknowledges that a separate item is on 1981 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,800 the agenda for the public meeting on May 1982 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,960 7th, 2026, 1983 01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,760 notifying the public that the budget 1984 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,679 officer intends to state the city 1985 01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:16,800 council state to the city council that 1986 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,199 the intended bud or the tenative budget 1987 01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:22,080 for the fiscal year 26 includes a 1988 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,040 proposed tax increase. Acknowledging 1989 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,679 that the budget officer made a statement 1990 01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:31,440 of to the city council on May 7th, 2026 1991 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:33,360 public meeting that the tenative budget 1992 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,120 includes a proposed property tax 1993 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,520 increase. Acknowledging that the budget 1994 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,840 officer presented to the city council as 1995 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,400 a separate item on the agenda in the 1996 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,320 same meeting as proposed property tax 1997 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,040 impact schedule from other budget 1998 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,600 documents as defined in section 592924 1999 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,159 of the Utah code directing that the 2000 01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:58,560 property tax impact schedule shall be 2001 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,040 available for public inspection and will 2002 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:05,440 be included in a separate agenda item at 2003 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:08,239 each public hearing prior to June 30th 2004 01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:10,640 at which the city council discusses the 2005 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,120 proposed general fund budget for the 2006 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,040 fiscal year 26 and 27. The city council 2007 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,520 intends to make a statement that city 2008 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,800 hoper city is considering levying a tax 2009 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,679 rate that exceeds its certified tax rate 2010 01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:28,000 the approximate dollar amount andor 2011 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,520 public purpose for the additional alarm 2012 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,400 tax revenue that would be generated by 2013 01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,280 the tax increase and that if the Humber 2014 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,400 City proceeds with the property tax rate 2015 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,960 increase, Her City will provide notice 2016 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,239 of and conduct a public hearing at which 2017 01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:49,040 members of the public will be will have 2018 01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,360 an opportunity to provide comments on 2019 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,560 the proposed tax rate increases. State 2020 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,640 of the budget officer of executive of 2021 01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,880 the entity of section 592919 2022 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,320 or The Utah code 2023 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,760 consideration of resolution 26-01, 2024 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,640 a resolution of the Hooker City Council, 2025 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,280 acknowledges that a separate item is 2026 01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,280 included on the agenda for the public 2027 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,600 meeting on June 4th. And I'm I would 2028 01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:26,320 like to also add u August 6 uh notifying 2029 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,800 the public that the budget officer or 2030 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,080 executive executive intends to make a 2031 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,920 statement as required by statement 2032 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:35,840 592194B 2033 01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,760 of the Utah code acknowledging that the 2034 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,080 budget officer or executive make the 2035 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,679 statement as required by section 592 2036 01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:46,880 9194 of the Utah code setting the date 2037 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,120 and time and place of the public hearing 2038 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,159 on the 2039 01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:52,640 property tax increase as required by 2040 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,679 section 59219 of the Utah code and 2041 01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:57,360 directing the budget officer to 2042 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,239 designate to send notice before June 2043 01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:02,800 1st, 2026 to the Utah State Tax 2044 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,960 Commission and Weaver County Auditor 2045 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,120 stating that the city is considering a 2046 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,000 property tax increase and the time and 2047 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,920 date of the place of the public hearing 2048 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,600 required by section 596 219 of the Utah 2049 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,400 State. 2050 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:25,350 Sorry. 2051 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,360 » So, if you want to wait for a second, 2052 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,360 I'll hurry and recomputee that Ryan and 2053 01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,199 then 2054 01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:34,640 Yes, that would be good. 2055 01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:39,669 >> Is it because 2056 01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:42,950 the business 2057 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:48,470 comes out correctly? 2058 01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:50,480 While you're figuring that, I just 2059 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,040 wanted to inform those that are here and 2060 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,400 those listening online. So, Herper has 2061 01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,760 not done a truth in taxation since 2013, 2062 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,560 and we know this is something that a lot 2063 01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,719 of people maybe are not as familiar 2064 01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:07,679 with, including those of us sitting here 2065 01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:11,120 um on the rushroom. So, next Wednesday, 2066 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,760 May 13th at 6 o'clock, we are going to 2067 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,840 have a town hall meeting and we have 2068 01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,080 we're going to have Carrie Makamura that 2069 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,239 she's with Carrie Makamura and 2070 01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:23,920 Associates is going to come and do a 2071 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,640 presentation. She is considered an 2072 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,199 expert in the state as far as truth in 2073 01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:32,880 taxation. I attended a seminar, well, 2074 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,080 three of us did down at the last down in 2075 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,600 St. George with the Utah League of 2076 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,760 Cities and Towns and it was excellent. 2077 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,400 And she presents it in a way that we 2078 01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,199 felt like we we do not have that 2079 01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:47,600 ability. And so we hope that you'll be 2080 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,440 willing to come tell your neighbors to 2081 01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:51,920 come. She'll do a presentation and then 2082 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,880 it'll certainly be open for questions as 2083 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,679 far as how the whole truth and taxation 2084 01:20:57,679 --> 01:21:00,800 process works. And so if you put that 2085 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,239 I'll repeat that date again. and it'll 2086 01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:06,000 be next Wednesday, May 13th at 6 o'clock 2087 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,320 here at the city offices to come and 2088 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,840 learn more about truth and taxation. 2089 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,440 >> Can I just that, Mayor? Um, 2090 01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:18,000 government budgeting is totally 2091 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,239 different than what I've been used to my 2092 01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:22,640 whole life and as far as I'm concerned, 2093 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,400 it's messed up. But I'll just say it how 2094 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,239 it is. 2095 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:32,159 Miss Carrie uh she opened my eyes down 2096 01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:34,400 there at this meeting and taught me an 2097 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,040 awful lot. So any of those of you who 2098 01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,600 are listening from home, this would 2099 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,120 really be worth your time to listen to 2100 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,760 her and have her explain to you really 2101 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:50,400 how good this truth in taxation is. So 2102 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,480 just and then second everything that the 2103 01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:59,990 mayor said. 2104 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,679 Are we okay to go ahead and start 2105 01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:03,760 discussing county while you're figuring 2106 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:04,480 that out? 2107 01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,159 >> Okay, we'll turn some time then to the 2108 01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:09,840 council we be discussing. 2109 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,320 >> Um, so I just want to say a few things 2110 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,120 on this. U 2111 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,199 I don't take lightly a consideration of 2112 01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:21,360 asking our residents to reach in their 2113 01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,040 pockets to pay for something. 2114 01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,199 I know the percentage can seem 2115 01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:29,120 misleading because it's 40 something% 2116 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,760 because we have a lower tax base here, 2117 01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,239 but the reality is we're asking our 2118 01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:35,600 residents to reach in their pockets and 2119 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,120 pay for something. Um, so I I kind of 2120 01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,800 categorically object to that. I have a 2121 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,239 hard time with that. It's not something 2122 01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:43,920 I support. It's not a platform I run 2123 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,560 for. Uh, I'm true to the core 2124 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,080 conservative when it comes to asking 2125 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:49,840 people to keep their money and not 2126 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,000 asking for more. 2127 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,440 This being said, I've asked a lot of 2128 01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:55,520 questions in our budget meetings about 2129 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,280 this. Um, my first question is, are we 2130 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,639 using the sheriff's department enough to 2131 01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:05,040 justify this? And in all honesty, we're 2132 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,960 not using it proportionately to what the 2133 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,600 increase would be. And the increase, uh, 2134 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,920 I feel probably initially in my mind 2135 01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,120 wouldn't justify having to spend this. 2136 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,560 I've talked to our lawyer and I fully 2137 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,880 understand that as a city to be a city 2138 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,600 we have to provide a police force and 2139 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,360 the amount of money we spend with that 2140 01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,080 contract couldn't substitute and support 2141 01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,000 our own police force. We don't have the 2142 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,679 ability to hire our own police force 2143 01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:32,159 judges, hold star jail, do all the 2144 01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:33,840 things that we have today. And 2145 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,280 unfortunately, the officers have stepped 2146 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,120 out when we talked to them during the 2147 01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,199 work meeting and asked, can you kind of 2148 01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:40,639 put in your words what this would help 2149 01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:42,560 with? And one of the things is is it 2150 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,199 would essentially raise um the residents 2151 01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:48,400 to almost uh one officer per thousand 2152 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:49,840 where right now we have about a half 2153 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,080 officer per thousand. It's around 7 2154 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,600 something% 2155 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,600 or 7 of an officer. Um so I like that 2156 01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,199 because we get a lot of calls from our 2157 01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:00,719 residents asking how we're dealing with 2158 01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:02,320 things like traffic and whatnot in the 2159 01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,080 city. Um, and it's 30 some bucks a year 2160 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:07,440 and it seems like yeah, we could 2161 01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:09,440 probably afford that. I just want to be 2162 01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:11,040 on record of saying this is not 2163 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,320 something that I personally take 2164 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,440 lightly. Um, we made it a point through 2165 01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:17,040 these budget meetings and I know some of 2166 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,360 them were long to go through and look at 2167 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,000 anywhere we can take from to try to look 2168 01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,440 at this and as Cammy instructed uh and 2169 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:27,360 talked to us through this is a recurring 2170 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,360 thing. This isn't really something that 2171 01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,360 we can just jump into the fund balance 2172 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,000 for. Other things we did get into the 2173 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,639 fund balance for. You see those uh 2174 01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:38,880 negatives on the you know loss or delta 2175 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,520 of the 800,000 here and there and the 2176 01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,400 way we try to keep the trash budget uh 2177 01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,120 consistent. Um I do believe government 2178 01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,639 should try to find out what they can do 2179 01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:50,560 with the money they have and not ask 2180 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,679 people for more. Um, and uh, if there 2181 01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:56,320 was any way that we could do this, I 2182 01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,400 even said, "Can we just tell the can we 2183 01:24:58,400 --> 01:24:59,840 just tell the sheriff's department, "No, 2184 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,199 we're not paying for this." 2185 01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:03,040 >> Uh, apparently, we can't do that. 2186 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:04,800 >> U, but I did ask that question because 2187 01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,480 I'm very curious, like, is it possible 2188 01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:09,840 for us to just say no? And so, um, I 2189 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,760 think that, you know, I'm surprised we 2190 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:12,880 don't have more residents who've 2191 01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:14,239 attended today for the public hearing. 2192 01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:15,600 Hopefully, they have more as this comes 2193 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,960 down. If I just understand, we are 2194 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,760 genuinely considering every when it 2195 01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,320 comes to the seriousness of even asking 2196 01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:25,840 for a dollar from our residents more 2197 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,320 than what we have currently and so it's 2198 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,600 not something I take lightly I don't 2199 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:30,960 think it's anything that anything my co- 2200 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,199 counselor take lightly 2201 01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:35,360 >> I agree and if we added up how many 2202 01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,199 hours we spend and I'm not talking about 2203 01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,760 all the hours that our treasurer has 2204 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,159 spent on this as a city council that 2205 01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:45,760 spend at least 10 plus hours in meetings 2206 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,000 not as with this individually and when 2207 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,040 it comes to a city you know you really 2208 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,040 three ways that you can end up getting 2209 01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,440 more money in your city. One of them is 2210 01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,440 you cut or reduce services and like 2211 01:25:57,440 --> 01:26:00,400 we've already said we as far as part of 2212 01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,480 us being able to incorporate as a city, 2213 01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:04,320 we have to have a police department. 2214 01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,960 That isn't something that we can't do. 2215 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:08,719 So we went through our budget and you 2216 01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:10,239 saw when we went through this and some 2217 01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:11,760 of these were already in the negative 2218 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,760 and were doing from fund balance. So 2219 01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,840 that will only last so long. Another 2220 01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,239 thing is then is you have increased 2221 01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:21,040 revenue. So that's we probably need to 2222 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,800 look at here in upper city. How do we 2223 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,440 get increased revenue? And the third way 2224 01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,600 is to raise taxes. And I think that was 2225 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,960 all of our last option that any of us 2226 01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,080 wanted to do. And council member Craig 2227 01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,080 is right. None of us that was we didn't 2228 01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:37,760 run and say we're going to raise the 2229 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:41,440 taxes, but you can only go so long 2230 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:43,360 trying to make your budget work when you 2231 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,760 don't have any additional money to make 2232 01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,400 it work. And and I was telling Council 2233 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,239 Member Craig earlier, you know, Like we 2234 01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:52,000 look at our budget and we say, "Wow, we 2235 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,080 have this extra money. What What do we 2236 01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,320 want to do with it this year? Would we 2237 01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,120 want to put in a splash pad or could we 2238 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,840 do a walking trail around the the park?" 2239 01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,760 We look at our budget and we say, "What 2240 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,560 sewer pumps absolutely have to be 2241 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,520 replaced this year." So everything in 2242 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,960 our budget was an absolute exactness of 2243 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,199 what it did. And so I just I just hope 2244 01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:16,800 all our residents understand this is 2245 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:21,830 something we take very seriously as a 2246 01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,719 We also had extensive discussions with 2247 01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:28,800 our public works director of the items 2248 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,199 that he is anticipating 2249 01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:32,880 that we are going to have to deal with 2250 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,360 in the next few years and the figures 2251 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,679 are staggering of the things that 2252 01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:39,520 potentially could come and we're just 2253 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,080 trying to work around that. We are 2254 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,560 literally potentially looking at 2255 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,679 millions of dollars in things that need 2256 01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:51,199 to be changed and uh 2257 01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:53,120 could potentially come up and bite us on 2258 01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,040 the rear and and take our fund balance 2259 01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,719 down very rapidly. And I the one thing I 2260 01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:01,360 do hope people understand is if you see 2261 01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:05,360 this thing and it says we have a 47% 2262 01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,280 uh revenue 2263 01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,480 increase, that sounds like a ton, but 2264 01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:13,360 when you back to, you know, the average 2265 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,159 home is like $125,000 2266 01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:22,480 out here. Um, it's a lot less than um it 2267 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,719 seems like I I know like we've been 2268 01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:27,440 watching Roy and they have a 50 some odd 2269 01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:29,920 percent increase and people having 2270 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,639 meltdown, but that will increase their 2271 01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:37,040 budget by like $2.8 million up there. 2272 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,239 And they didn't get um their tax 2273 01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:41,840 increase. applied for last year. One 2274 01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,520 thing we did learn from the trainings 2275 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,719 that we went to was um it has to be 2276 01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:52,080 exactly perfect in order for you for the 2277 01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,719 state to allow you to do any kind of a 2278 01:28:54,719 --> 01:28:58,960 tax increase. Uh if it's not exact, they 2279 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,120 won't let you do it. Ironically, there 2280 01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,880 were a lot of entities last year, 2281 01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,800 schools and and uh 2282 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,880 cities that didn't get uh the ability to 2283 01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,560 increase their uh tax rates to cover 2284 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,320 their bills because they didn't apply 2285 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,719 correctly. And another item that came 2286 01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:21,840 before the legislature was one that was 2287 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,440 going to restrict what a city could 2288 01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:29,040 impose upon their residents um as an 2289 01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,080 increase down to 5%. 2290 01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,360 That bill did not pass. Had that passed, 2291 01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,880 the most any uh the most that we could 2292 01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,800 would it would have increased our taxes 2293 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,679 by the most we could have increased per 2294 01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:46,000 resident would have been like $10 a 2295 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,679 year, which 2500 residents that would 2296 01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:51,199 have not been 2297 01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:53,600 >> would have generated us about $13,000. 2298 01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,719 >> Yeah. Not not much money. 13,000 a year 2299 01:29:56,719 --> 01:29:58,639 that won't even keep us up with the cost 2300 01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:02,000 of living that we are incurring. And you 2301 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,800 know, one budget item that isn't built 2302 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,800 in really well right now is the cost of 2303 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,040 fuel, which has gone through the roof. 2304 01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,199 And and I know you're all dealing with 2305 01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:13,280 that, but we are dealing with it as a 2306 01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:16,080 city and probably at a much higher rate 2307 01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,840 than most individuals are that um and 2308 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:21,360 the amount of gallons, let's say, that 2309 01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:27,679 we use. So while we don't like this, it 2310 01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:31,760 seems like something that we necessarily 2311 01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,639 need to do. And I say that specifically, 2312 01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:38,000 but um we're going to do everything we 2313 01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,400 can to make this work. We have had so 2314 01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,040 many discussions. We are looking at 2315 01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,480 alternatives on several items, but some 2316 01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:47,920 of these items just don't have any 2317 01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,320 alternatives. So, we are going to keep 2318 01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:54,320 pursuing stuff as we can. I know um 2319 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,080 Council Nolto was has spent a bajillion 2320 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,400 hours going over line items in the 2321 01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,719 budget trying to find a place here and 2322 01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:05,040 place there. We cut stuff and and has 2323 01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,560 raised some valid questions of things 2324 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,199 that we will look into. But for this 2325 01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:10,800 year, this is kind of where we're at. 2326 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,560 Hopefully by next year, we might be able 2327 01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:19,669 to accommodate some stuff. Anyway, 2328 01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:24,310 I'm done. 2329 01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:25,920 » Do you have different numbers? 2330 01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,000 >> So, it doesn't change a whole lot, but 2331 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,639 the estimated primary residence would 2332 01:31:30,639 --> 01:31:33,840 increase by 3941 2333 01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,080 $3941. 2334 01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:40,400 So, currently it's approximately $83. 2335 01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,000 Excuse 2336 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,760 me. Go up to $122 2337 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,840 for primary 2338 01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,679 and then the uh business is correct. 2339 01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:54,719 >> Okay. 3638 is not correct. It's the 39 2340 01:31:54,719 --> 01:31:56,560 >> 3941. 2341 01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,040 So we're talking a couple dollars. 2342 01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,560 >> Well, and I know sometimes residents 2343 01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,880 think too and Carrie will explain this 2344 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:04,719 better next Wednesday, but sometimes 2345 01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:06,800 they think, "Ah, our taxes are going to 2346 01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,480 go up 50%." No, only your 2347 01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:12,960 And if you've looked at your tax notice 2348 01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,000 that you get see that little tiny sliver 2349 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,360 what Her receives um it it really does 2350 01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,360 only average out to be well if you take 2351 01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:24,719 the whole average about$1 to $110 a 2352 01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:26,880 household currently which again any 2353 01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,199 money is any money if we thought we had 2354 01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:31,440 a different avenue 2355 01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:32,239 that 2356 01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:33,760 >> you know may or may it's splitting cars 2357 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:34,960 but I think it's worth saying at least 2358 01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,000 for the record for our citizens 2359 01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,199 listening or those that are here in 2360 01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:39,679 attendance um you know If you look at 2361 01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:41,040 that comparatively to like what the 2362 01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:42,719 school district gets, they get like $2 2363 01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:44,480 million from the city. 2364 01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:47,600 >> Yeah. About five. Yeah. And um you know, 2365 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,760 the the school district was presented 2366 01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,679 with an option to pay for their resource 2367 01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:53,600 officers fully because currently they 2368 01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,320 pay 7030. Um and that would have offset 2369 01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,239 for the city's needs to do this, but the 2370 01:32:58,239 --> 01:32:59,920 school district opted to not do that. 2371 01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:01,520 They said they didn't want to do it. And 2372 01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,280 so I'd like the city staff to come up 2373 01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,639 with the ability to pay for this 2374 01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:06,800 themselves. So it's not that there are 2375 01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,159 other alternatives that we've tried to 2376 01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:09,840 figure out. I we're already as a city 2377 01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,840 handing them about $5 million in tax 2378 01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,239 revenue from our properties and we're 2379 01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:16,159 hitting 200,000, you know what I mean? 2380 01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:18,400 So, um it is interesting to kind of see 2381 01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,280 how that system works. Um and that's 2382 01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:22,880 like Larry said, there's things you 2383 01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,639 learn in government budgeting. I I 2384 01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:25,600 didn't know the school district could 2385 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,800 say no. They're not going to pay for the 2386 01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,080 resource officer and we're not allowed 2387 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,320 to say no. So, um there's just a 2388 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,480 difference in what that looks like. Um 2389 01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:34,880 so, sometimes it seems like it's just 2390 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:36,880 kind of straightforward, but it's not. 2391 01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,159 The other thing that I think is just 2392 01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:40,719 kind of important in noting this 2393 01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:43,440 resolution as we, you know, once we make 2394 01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:46,159 the motion is to move forward in the 2395 01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:48,400 process. This doesn't lock it in. We 2396 01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,159 have multiple other meetings as are 2397 01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:52,159 listed here, the June 4th meeting, the 2398 01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:53,760 August 6th meeting, more public 2399 01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,760 hearings, more opportunities. And we do 2400 01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,760 luckily live in a state. If you look up 2401 01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,080 truth and taxation is very unique to our 2402 01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,480 state that our state has made it, it's 2403 01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:04,000 not just easy for us to just generally 2404 01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,080 say we're raising taxes on our people. 2405 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,600 And so I do love that about our state 2406 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,120 that it makes it hard and it should be 2407 01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:10,560 hard. It should be difficult. We should 2408 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:11,760 have to walk through the hoops if we're 2409 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,840 going to ask you for more money. Um, and 2410 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,360 there are more opportunities for folks 2411 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:16,960 to come and express their concerns and 2412 01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:19,120 opinions. And I, as a council member, 2413 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,040 would like to hear the residents 2414 01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,719 opinions on this as we move forward in 2415 01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:26,400 it as well. Another 2416 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,719 thing that I heard um through the grape 2417 01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:32,320 vine was that some people actually 2418 01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,600 couldn't figure out um why we were doing 2419 01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:39,760 this that it would come through their property taxes assessed by the 2420 01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:41,280 county. But I think there are people out 2421 01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,000 there that don't understand that um law 2422 01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,600 enforcement comes directly out of our 2423 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,480 city's budget is not a land item on your 2424 01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:52,320 county property taxes. wildfire and 2425 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,520 things like that on our schools. The law 2426 01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,400 enforcement comes directly from us and 2427 01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,760 it is not included in your line items on 2428 01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,320 your taxes. And actually, if you look at 2429 01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,520 your taxes, the city itself generally 2430 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,159 gets we're like about sixth down the 2431 01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:12,159 list. We actually get less money back 2432 01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:14,719 from the county from your property taxes 2433 01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:17,840 than the library does, which kind of 2434 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,560 gives me a headache, but it is the way 2435 01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,840 the situation is set up. So, we're going 2436 01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:28,480 to do the best we can to keep it down. 2437 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,239 >> And just a little bit of an explanation 2438 01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:32,960 with that because they will also see a 2439 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,280 sheriff line under Weaver County, but 2440 01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,239 that pays for the jail. There are 2441 01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:41,760 specific things like SI there are those 2442 01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,159 functions that does pay for but the 2443 01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:46,800 county but as far as paying the officers 2444 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,719 and I'm I'm hoping I'm saying this 2445 01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:50,560 correctly but that does we are 2446 01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,199 considered a contract city those cities 2447 01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:55,040 in Weaver County that do not have their 2448 01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,360 own police departments we are a contract 2449 01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,800 city and so we are paying sovere county 2450 01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,639 out of their budget pays for so many 2451 01:36:02,639 --> 01:36:05,199 officers the contract cities pay for so 2452 01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:07,280 many officers but there still is that 2453 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,840 overhead that is 2454 01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:13,590 as well. 2455 01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:18,870 » Okay. Is everybody got a headache? 2456 01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,120 » So, is there any other discussion by the 2457 01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,840 council? So what we need to do tonight 2458 01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,639 is we need to make a motion to adopt our 2459 01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:30,080 tenative budget for fiscal year 2026 2460 01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,880 2027 which includes a property tax 2461 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,880 increase and then also a motion for the 2462 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:38,719 resolution 2463 01:36:38,719 --> 01:36:41,520 which is number 2601 and what the 2464 01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,040 resolution is just stating the city 2465 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,000 council is considering to level a tax 2466 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,960 rate. So the resolution basically in a 2467 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:55,520 nutshell gives um the budget 2468 01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,480 gives us the authorization to notify the 2469 01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:02,800 county and the state and to set these 2470 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,000 public hearings as well so that we can 2471 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,239 actually move forward with the proper 2472 01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:10,719 means to do this. We can't just say, 2473 01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:12,400 "Oh, we think there should be a property 2474 01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,239 tax increase, so we're just going to do 2475 01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:16,719 these." You have to give us permission 2476 01:37:16,719 --> 01:37:20,400 that you feel like there's warrant 2477 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,639 detail that we're going to do this that 2478 01:37:22,639 --> 01:37:25,920 we should pursue this basically. Still, 2479 01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,679 you're not agreeing to the property tax 2480 01:37:27,679 --> 01:37:29,040 increase. You're just giving us 2481 01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:32,000 permission to pursue it. So that that's 2482 01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,679 your intentions. 2483 01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:35,520 >> As a rule of order, do we need to make 2484 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,600 the motion to approve the budget 2485 01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,199 separately from the resolution or are 2486 01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:40,320 they all done as one? 2487 01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,159 >> I would say let's air on the side of 2488 01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:42,960 summary. 2489 01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,119 >> Yes, I agree. It would be better to 2490 01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:46,400 better on that side. 2491 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,560 >> And with the resolution, I would propose 2492 01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,119 that we only have the public hearing of 2493 01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:53,360 August 6th in there. We need to add the 2494 01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:57,520 June 4th at 6:00 as well. So when you 2495 01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,760 make that motion, we want to add that 2496 01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:01,280 additional public hearing. 2497 01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:02,560 >> Okay. Okay. So, I'll get us started and 2498 01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,400 I'll make a motion to adopt the tenative 2499 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,840 budget for fiscal year 2026 2027 2500 01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,679 including the proposed tax increase with 2501 01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:13,760 the amendment of the uh resolution or 2502 01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,119 would that be separate? 2503 01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:17,600 >> Okay. So, I'll pause there. 2504 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,920 >> Okay. So, the motion was made by council 2505 01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,119 member Craig. Is there a second? 2506 01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:24,560 >> I'll second it. 2507 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,280 >> The second is made by councilto. 2508 01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:31,119 Any discussion on the motion? 2509 01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:33,440 Okay, we are going to do this by roll 2510 01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:36,159 call vote. So, we will start with 2511 01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:37,520 council member Hill. 2512 01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:38,320 >> Hi. 2513 01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:39,760 >> Council member Rapalo. 2514 01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:40,239 >> I. 2515 01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:41,440 >> Council member Craig. 2516 01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:42,080 >> Hi. 2517 01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:43,440 >> Council member Hancock. 2518 01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:44,080 >> Hi. 2519 01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,119 >> Okay, that motion passes. So now the 2520 01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:49,440 next motion then will be for the 2521 01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:51,600 resolution and that's the one that 2522 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,760 you'll need to make that addition to 2523 01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,920 with that additional public hearing. 2524 01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:02,470 >> You're on the roll. 2525 01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:04,320 I'll make a motion consideration of a 2526 01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,280 resolution 26-01 resolution for the 2527 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:12,159 council to um seek the proposed 2528 01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:15,040 tax increase or notify notice of the 2529 01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:16,239 proposed tax increase. 2530 01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:17,280 >> Adopt the resolution. 2531 01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,639 There we go. 2532 01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:21,679 >> There we go. um with the amendment or 2533 01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:24,320 change to the wording to include the 2534 01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,199 August 6, 2026 date in addition to the 2535 01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:32,550 June 4, 2026 date notifying the public. 2536 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,239 » Okay. The motion has been made by 2537 01:39:34,239 --> 01:39:38,639 council member Craig. Is there a second? 2538 01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:39,440 >> Second. 2539 01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:41,119 >> The second is made by council member 2540 01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:46,310 Hancock. Any discussion on that motion? 2541 01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,639 Okay, seeing then this is a resolution. 2542 01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:50,639 We are also going to do this by roll 2543 01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:52,880 call vote. So this time we will start 2544 01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,119 with council member Hancock. 2545 01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:55,760 >> Hi. 2546 01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:57,119 >> Council member Craig. 2547 01:39:57,119 --> 01:39:57,760 >> Hi. 2548 01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:59,280 >> Council member Ralto. 2549 01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:00,000 >> Hi. 2550 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,199 >> Council member Hill. 2551 01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:01,920 >> Hi. 2552 01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,639 >> Okay, that passes. 2553 01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:06,000 >> Thank you. County. 2554 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,920 >> And again, we just want to make sure 2555 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,199 everyone knows as we have stated this 2556 01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:13,760 doesn't mean that we are doing this. 2557 01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,159 means we are considering this and 2558 01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:18,159 that's just gives authorization for our 2559 01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:20,719 budget officer to let this the county 2560 01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:23,520 and the state know. 2561 01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,600 Okay. And then make sure again I'm just 2562 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:27,360 going to remind everybody to come next 2563 01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:30,320 Wednesday at 6 o'clock. Okay. The last 2564 01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,840 thing on our agenda then is approval of 2565 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,800 oversized structures and secondary 2566 01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,679 dwellings. And this is something that 2567 01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:42,639 our planning commission has worked very 2568 01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:45,520 diligently on. It's gone through a 2569 01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,760 complete vetting process with our 2570 01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,320 attorney. And so hopefully you've had a 2571 01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,440 chance to look through this and we can 2572 01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:56,639 discuss this and see if you have any 2573 01:40:56,639 --> 01:40:59,600 that you would like to add or change 2574 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:04,470 with us. 2575 01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:07,119 Malcolm, is there any sort of thing you 2576 01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:10,239 would like to add to this or explain 2577 01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:14,000 about this motion or this approval? 2578 01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,800 >> I think the I know summarizes it. If you 2579 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,840 guys want me to add any context for 2580 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,239 listeners audience, you can or if you 2581 01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:24,000 have questions 2582 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:25,840 like 2583 01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:27,520 my question just maybe a matter of 2584 01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:28,880 opinion from the planning commission. 2585 01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:30,239 You know, one of the things that we keep 2586 01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:33,360 hearing about in the state is uh 2587 01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,679 potential the governor offering 2588 01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:37,679 preeemption to take away zoning rights 2589 01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:39,840 because he wants affordable housing. How 2590 01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,800 do you feel that the increased uh square 2591 01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,000 footage on the ADUs is going to be able 2592 01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,320 to help our discussion towards offering 2593 01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:49,920 affordable housing options to like our 2594 01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:51,600 children or those that we may want to, 2595 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,080 you know, bring out here and live in and 2596 01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:55,280 make it a little more affordable for 2597 01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:56,639 them to come out? Do you think that this 2598 01:41:56,639 --> 01:42:00,149 helps address that issue? 2599 01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:04,400 I think that one of our moderate income 2600 01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,760 housing strategies is was you know DA 2601 01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:10,000 has been identified by the state as a 2602 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,280 strategy that can help out. Um, I think 2603 01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:14,719 there's some higher level discussions 2604 01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:16,239 that that are kind of hard, but I think 2605 01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:18,480 it can we get a lot of residents that 2606 01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:20,320 come in and their primary intention is 2607 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:23,199 for their children more than even for 2608 01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:24,480 you know a mother-in-law like 2609 01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:25,840 traditionally been called a 2610 01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,360 mother-in-law apartment a lot of times 2611 01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:28,560 for their children which I do think 2612 01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,040 they're able to realize you know a 2613 01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:34,000 discounted rental rate it's a win-win 2614 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,320 for parents and I think from those 2615 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,560 standpoints it's very helpful. I do 2616 01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,280 think a couple highlights. We increasing 2617 01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,639 ours to,250 square feet. That would be 2618 01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:46,560 tied for the largest living space of the 2619 01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,000 state. So I think it's pretty favorable. 2620 01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,639 I think Moab is does that as well if I 2621 01:42:50,639 --> 01:42:52,560 remember right. So I think that we're, 2622 01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,400 you know, we have large lots. That's one 2623 01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,320 thing that sometimes we get a little bit 2624 01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,560 of criticism for. But I think the one 2625 01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,639 thing that our large lends themselves to 2626 01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:04,239 these detached dwelling units that can 2627 01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:07,280 provide opportunities for people 2628 01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,080 realize, you know, moderate rental rates 2629 01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:11,440 and help them get in the homes 2630 01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:13,280 eventually. You think it can increase 2631 01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:14,880 the value of the homes for the people 2632 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:18,000 who are putting them in that can benefit 2633 01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,480 people as well to, you know, increase 2634 01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:22,159 their own value? 2635 01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:24,560 >> Well, there also is I'm just going to 2636 01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,280 read from the mandates we have that the 2637 01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:29,760 state law updates require detached 2638 01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:31,840 accessory dwelling units to be 2639 01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,440 principally permitted in most instances. 2640 01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:38,159 um specific municipalities shall adopt a 2641 01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:39,840 land use regulation that permits a 2642 01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:43,440 detached accessory dwelling unit on any 2643 01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:46,239 lot or parcel that is 11,000 ft or 2644 01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:48,080 larger and contains a single family 2645 01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,880 dwelling if a single family dwelling is 2646 01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:54,400 a permitted use on that lot or parcel. 2647 01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,080 Um 2648 01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:57,840 I think these are going to be really 2649 01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:59,520 beneficial to us because they're 2650 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,119 obviously all going to qualify under 2651 01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:03,360 moderate income housing statute if we 2652 01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,840 can get people employ them and use them 2653 01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:10,480 in as many instances as possible. Um, I 2654 01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:12,400 think it can do nothing but benefit our 2655 01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:16,470 city. 2656 01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:20,560 » So, two concerns I have here. And the 2657 01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,199 first one, uh, 2658 01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:26,080 talk to me about the parking. Uh, you 2659 01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:29,360 know, I see they want either asphalt or 2660 01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,360 concrete. 2661 01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,600 Uh, you know, 2662 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,000 home's going to be different in that. 2663 01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:40,560 Um, you know, is, uh, you know, a good 2664 01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:44,000 road base sufficient enough or were they 2665 01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:48,000 pretty adamant about having the concrete 2666 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,760 and and or asphalt? 2667 01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,800 No, they weren't adanted 2668 01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,280 kind of towards the end. Um, I think 2669 01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,600 parking would be the main consideration. 2670 01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,040 You know, obviously just want to make 2671 01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,280 sure we have adequate which we did 2672 01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:06,719 upate, but our prior ordinance wouldn't 2673 01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:10,080 regulate the the surface of them for 2674 01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:11,840 this is this would be a little more 2675 01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,360 stringent, but I think the idea is if 2676 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,880 we're going to have more people calling 2677 01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,360 other 2678 01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:22,560 gravel or road or something like that. 2679 01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,400 >> Yeah. I'm just wondering about the 2680 01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,159 runoff. I mean, if you have all 2681 01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:29,600 concrete, all cement out there and we 2682 01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,320 get a good rain, where's that water 2683 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:33,760 going to end up because it's not going 2684 01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:36,080 to go into the ground? Just, you know, 2685 01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,800 I'm just thinking kind of down my street 2686 01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,440 where it's at or, you know, is there 2687 01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:43,920 good runoff 2688 01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,430 for that? 2689 01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:50,639 And uh that was my first one, unless 2690 01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:54,480 somebody has something else on that. So 2691 01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:57,760 my other question with these ADUs and 2692 01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:00,320 what's the other one anyway the 2693 01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:01,600 different what's that 2694 01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:02,480 >> oversized? 2695 01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:06,000 >> Yeah oversized u 2696 01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:10,080 in the future uh what's going to be you 2697 01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:14,480 know one acre lot I get it put an ADU on 2698 01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:17,840 it whatever and that 2699 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:19,679 you know what's the overall picture 2700 01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:22,960 going to look like or would Hover be a 2701 01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:28,320 better or be nicer if we went to 2702 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:31,040 halfacre lots than that. I'm not trying 2703 01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:32,880 to get more homes than that in here. I 2704 01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:34,159 know that's what it's going to sound 2705 01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:37,119 like, but we start putting so many of 2706 01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:39,920 these aus in. And I just don't know as 2707 01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,080 an overall picture, 2708 01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:45,520 you know, if I like it. Uh the uh I 2709 01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:46,880 don't even know what the subdivision's 2710 01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:48,159 called, but the one down by the 2711 01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:50,800 cemetery, those are all halfacre lots. 2712 01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,280 And I that's one of my favorite 2713 01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,360 subdivisions. Maybe it's because I drive 2714 01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:58,800 through it so much. It's so clean. Every 2715 01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,920 all the yards are well kept and that and 2716 01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,280 then you end up uh you know with the one 2717 01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:09,119 acre lots. They're hard to take care of 2718 01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:14,080 that. So I'm just throwing that out. 2719 01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,159 >> So a couple of things back to what 2720 01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:19,440 council member Hancock read. It is now 2721 01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:22,800 state law updates that they they are 2722 01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,719 principally permitted, you know, 2723 01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:27,920 according to state code. So, if we have 2724 01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:31,760 any lot that has 11 or parcel that's 2725 01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,800 11,000 square ft or larger and contains 2726 01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,600 a single dwelling, 2727 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,440 we need to have an ordinance that 2728 01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,199 permits 2729 01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:45,440 an ADU, a DAU. And so that is something 2730 01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:49,040 that is mandated from the state and 2731 01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:52,320 Hooper was above it ahead of the time 2732 01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,400 because we were having DUS and there's 2733 01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,639 been a lot of conversation with a lot of 2734 01:47:56,639 --> 01:48:01,360 the legislative about doing this. But I agree with what you were saying. I 2735 01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:03,760 understand what you are saying. I I 2736 01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:05,520 understand too that this is a real help 2737 01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,760 if you have a child or a grandchild that 2738 01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,360 maybe needs a lot. Um, one question I 2739 01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,520 had and again this is for discussion 2740 01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,280 with city council had to do with number 2741 01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:18,560 eight that said no part of the detached 2742 01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:20,400 accessory dwelling. This is on page 2743 01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:24,159 seven and number eight under eight unit 2744 01:48:24,159 --> 01:48:26,000 may extend beyond the center of the 2745 01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,080 primary residential structure. So they 2746 01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:29,840 used to be that they could be even with 2747 01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:32,480 the front then they moved them behind 2748 01:48:32,480 --> 01:48:34,800 then they moved them to the center. And 2749 01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,679 again we have some large lots out here 2750 01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:40,960 that maybe they have more on the side 2751 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,600 that it really doesn't. So that would be 2752 01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,639 one thing I I would say is I I am fine. 2753 01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:49,119 I don't think they should be on be in 2754 01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:51,679 front of the front of the house, but I I 2755 01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:53,360 don't wouldn't have a problem if they 2756 01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,360 were even with the front of the house 2757 01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,600 rather than being in the center. 2758 01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:01,119 >> Yeah. And I honestly call me crazy um 2759 01:49:01,119 --> 01:49:03,360 care if it's in front or behind. And the 2760 01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,280 reason why I say that is kind of similar 2761 01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:09,440 to what you're saying council is 2762 01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:11,760 I mean it's kind of sexist. We end up 2763 01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,000 because if I understand correct we you 2764 01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,280 can have essentially if we adopt this a 2765 01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:20,000 detached and an attached accessory 2766 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,600 dwelling unit and your primary 2767 01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:22,639 residence, right? 2768 01:49:22,639 --> 01:49:23,040 >> Yeah. 2769 01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:25,119 >> So we essentially have three residents 2770 01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:26,719 on one property 2771 01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:30,320 >> on an acre. We're just we're just doing 2772 01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,080 30-year lots without doing it. Right. 2773 01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,000 We're just doing it in a different way 2774 01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:35,760 without calling it what it is. And so 2775 01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:37,280 that's kind of interesting. And I don't 2776 01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,119 it's not that I mind that. just, you 2777 01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:41,040 know, I know that this kind of restricts 2778 01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,480 that the owner has to live on the 2779 01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:44,480 property and there are other things, but 2780 01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,800 in my mind, I'm going if it's designed 2781 01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,520 well and I'm not trying to get wild out 2782 01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:51,840 here, but I also have seen some shipping 2783 01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:53,119 container conversions that have been 2784 01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:54,639 really nice. Some people have done those 2785 01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:56,320 very modern and they look really great. 2786 01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:57,679 I'm not trying 2787 01:49:57,679 --> 01:49:58,960 >> Yeah, I know it's not allowed. I see 2788 01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,600 that. But I'm just saying like I I feel 2789 01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,760 like if you know somebody is there's 2790 01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:05,440 very tasteful ways that people can do 2791 01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:08,080 things. And so I think that we're we're 2792 01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:11,119 at kind of making this possible to 2793 01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:12,800 prevent all the exceptions that we have 2794 01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:14,480 to make constantly or conditional 2795 01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:16,480 things. We should just kind of make it 2796 01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:18,000 with a consideration of what we really 2797 01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,159 want to allow. And I would at least be 2798 01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:22,320 willing to consider the removal of the 2799 01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:25,199 center of the property expectation. I'm 2800 01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:26,560 not saying we have shipping containers. 2801 01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:28,159 I'm not trying to get a trade park. I'm 2802 01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:30,080 just saying there are some things that 2803 01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:32,719 we could maybe just consider, especially 2804 01:50:32,719 --> 01:50:34,960 in modern capabilities and modifying 2805 01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:36,239 things. 2806 01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:37,920 It's amazing how quickly you're 2807 01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,719 converting to a redneck. 2808 01:50:40,719 --> 01:50:43,920 >> I grew up in the deep south. 2809 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,000 >> I also agree with you, Council Member 2810 01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:47,520 Rapto, that I don't know that we 2811 01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:49,920 necessarily need to state it needs to be 2812 01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,040 concrete asphalt. I think it could be a 2813 01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:56,320 hard packed surface, 2814 01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:58,719 even gravel. I don't I don't know that 2815 01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:00,239 seemed a little restrictive to me. 2816 01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:03,440 >> Well, don't run into impervious uh hard 2817 01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:05,360 pack hard 2818 01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:09,280 percentage considerations where we order 2819 01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:12,800 concrete and fall 2820 01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:15,040 for example that percentage is obviously 2821 01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:16,239 going to skyrocket when you got a 2822 01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:21,440 building and a building concrete as so 2823 01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:23,280 what point I mean there's no language in 2824 01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:25,040 here that talks about calculating the 2825 01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:28,000 improve service that's that's one of our 2826 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,280 codes and so that's got to be taken into 2827 01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:34,960 consideration so I agree as well We want 2828 01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:39,199 to consider non impervious to satisfy 2829 01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:40,800 requirement. 2830 01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:42,800 >> How would we not at this point based on 2831 01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,520 that call out how would we probably 2832 01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:47,119 consider that to maintain the water 2833 01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:48,639 table and the impervious you know 2834 01:51:48,639 --> 01:51:51,360 expectation we have if you had a 2835 01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:56,159 oversized structure DAU an AU and I mean 2836 01:51:56,159 --> 01:51:57,760 pretty much you got you know quarter 2837 01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,760 acre of grass left if everything's in 2838 01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:01,520 concrete you know you got 3/4 of an acre 2839 01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:02,480 of concrete. 2840 01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:04,159 >> Yeah we have 2841 01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:08,550 % max 2842 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,360 structure. 2843 01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:18,629 So calculates beyond proceed. 2844 01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:20,880 » So would it be something we want to 2845 01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,040 consider that would allow something 2846 01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,119 other than Yeah. Because I mean somebody 2847 01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:26,719 goes well technically I can build this 2848 01:52:26,719 --> 01:52:27,840 but technically I can't because I got 2849 01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:29,040 too much concrete. 2850 01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:30,560 >> Yeah. 2851 01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:32,480 It feels very counterintuitive to 2852 01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:34,080 say we're allowing this but now you 2853 01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,800 can't allow it because you have too 2854 01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:43,760 much. So those would be my two suggestions, you know, and in the 2855 01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:45,760 packet there was our old code and the 2856 01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,400 new code. And so we would need to make a 2857 01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,800 motion to approve this. And this is 2858 01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,679 again has been something that's been in 2859 01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:55,679 the works for quite some time. And so I 2860 01:52:55,679 --> 01:52:57,920 would like to see us get this approved 2861 01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,480 tonight if council feels comfortable 2862 01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:02,960 with maybe then making that change in 2863 01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:06,080 number five that it does not require 2864 01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:07,520 concrete or 2865 01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,000 surface and then if you're again on 2866 01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,480 number eight if it could be to the front 2867 01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:14,960 of the primary residential was there 2868 01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:17,040 anything else any of you 2869 01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:20,320 >> can I just ask about 14 2870 01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,239 shall be rented for 30 consecutive days 2871 01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:24,400 or longer 2872 01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,719 is that just to prevent less than 30 2873 01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:31,119 days rentals or what's the purpose of 2874 01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:44,470 most included is for short rentals 2875 01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:46,719 speak to me a little bit more about if 2876 01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:48,960 we get rid of the hard surface number 2877 01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,870 five 2878 01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:56,000 as marking that's defined. So we can 2879 01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:57,760 leave that loosely and then we have the 2880 01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:01,040 definition. How do you want to do you 2881 01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:04,000 care at all what the surface is or do 2882 01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:07,119 you want to 2883 01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:11,360 >> be as determined by you know staff or 2884 01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:12,800 something? How do you How do you want 2885 01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:13,440 that? 2886 01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:14,960 >> Do we have an ordinance currently that 2887 01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:16,239 deals with the green? I don't know. That 2888 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:17,599 currently deals with like parking and 2889 01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:19,760 grass like something that addresses that 2890 01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:22,000 like you got to grab. 2891 01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,639 No, I know some cities do. So, I wasn't 2892 01:54:24,639 --> 01:54:25,760 sure if there's like a substrate 2893 01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,440 requirement. I don't know what every 2894 01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:29,119 engineering build would require you to 2895 01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:30,719 build it on, but as far as the parking, 2896 01:54:30,719 --> 01:54:34,880 I mean, gravel parking, you know, side 2897 01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,040 or whatever I would be supposed to or 2898 01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:40,400 like you said, something. So maybe if we 2899 01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,080 just want to have the accessory drilling 2900 01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:44,480 sh provide adequate off streetet parking 2901 01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:47,679 space. Period. 2902 01:54:47,679 --> 01:54:49,119 >> What that looks like? 2903 01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:51,360 >> Yeah. 2904 01:54:51,360 --> 01:55:05,430 >> Do you see a complication for that? 2905 01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:11,189 » You can't 2906 01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:13,920 I don't like I suppose that works if we 2907 01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:15,760 just use adequate off street parking 2908 01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:18,320 that number of spaces defined in other 2909 01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:21,440 codes that'll be 2910 01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:25,189 I think it would 2911 01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:26,880 » well because we look at our primary 2912 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,360 residences now we don't require all of 2913 01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:31,440 our primary residences to have a 2914 01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:34,560 concrete or asphalt surface. We we don't 2915 01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:36,080 we have a lot of homes out here in 2916 01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,880 Hooker that have a dirt driveway. 2917 01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,280 >> So I don't I don't know why we would to 2918 01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:43,440 say an accessory dwelling has to have a 2919 01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:45,440 concrete or asphalt if we're not 2920 01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:47,679 requiring our primary residents to have 2921 01:55:47,679 --> 01:55:48,719 that. 2922 01:55:48,719 --> 01:55:50,239 >> Yeah, I think I would agree with just 2923 01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:52,800 striking the with concrete or asphalt 2924 01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:54,639 service. 2925 01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:57,040 >> That's fine. We can do that. 2926 01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,440 >> Any questions on how we need to reward 2927 01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:00,719 that because we we don't think that 2928 01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:06,790 there needs to be the requirement for 2929 01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:09,360 I would just modify part of the detach 2930 01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:12,560 going extend beyond the build line the 2931 01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:20,229 primary resure the front build line 2932 01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:25,669 » is that restriction we want 2933 01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:28,000 » I think so the front line 2934 01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,719 >> I'm okay with that but here's a question 2935 01:56:30,719 --> 01:56:34,800 what if somebody has something that's 2936 01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,440 just going to look absolutely great for 2937 01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:39,440 the community and that that goes beyond 2938 01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,159 that. Can they come in and apply for a 2939 01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:45,440 special request on that or not? 2940 01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:47,440 >> I think just to clarify these would just 2941 01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:51,119 be for detach structures attached could 2942 01:56:51,119 --> 01:56:52,719 still 2943 01:56:52,719 --> 01:56:55,280 go beyond 2944 01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:57,920 attach it forward. So they have 2945 01:56:57,920 --> 01:56:59,599 >> So there you go. somebody could create 2946 01:56:59,599 --> 01:57:01,280 in the test increase their front 2947 01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:03,520 building line and they move their ADU 2948 01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:04,400 test. 2949 01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:06,159 >> So yeah, that's the question I have. 2950 01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:07,360 There's a lot of people that have a 2951 01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:09,119 little bit larger lots that build way 2952 01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:11,119 back off their building. So we don't 2953 01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:13,760 want to that, you know, that's going to 2954 01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:17,199 be kind of a complex if they can't build 2955 01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:19,760 something to the front or if they had a 2956 01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:22,639 wide lot that had room. 2957 01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:25,520 I'm not quite sure that 2958 01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:27,760 how we're going to regulate that. Well, 2959 01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,000 I'm just thinking my house. I have one 2960 01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,920 that's sits way back off the road and 2961 01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:36,480 it's on the one acre and uh it wouldn't 2962 01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:38,239 have sat that far back if it would have 2963 01:57:38,239 --> 01:57:41,199 been on one acre. And if I was to put 2964 01:57:41,199 --> 01:57:44,080 one of those units in, I probably would 2965 01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:47,840 still want it back as far as my house. 2966 01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,239 So, I'm not so sure that will run into a 2967 01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:51,760 problem. 2968 01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,320 >> But if somebody wanted to or saying you 2969 01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:56,960 can't basically, right? then get 2970 01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:00,480 creative and it 2971 01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:03,040 go 2972 01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:05,040 from the line I feel comfortable with. 2973 01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:08,639 >> I think not to interrupt your discussion 2974 01:58:08,639 --> 01:58:10,880 but I just wanted to highlight I 2975 01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:14,000 appreciate the thought at one point 2976 01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,760 council had recommended or planning 2977 01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:17,119 commission had recommended these be 2978 01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:19,040 quite large. We worked with legal and we 2979 01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:21,040 refined it came out a lot smaller living 2980 01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:22,880 space specifically. 2981 01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,000 Um the primary thought that me and 2982 01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:28,400 Darren discussed these are accessory in 2983 01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,159 nature, right? What these are and 2984 01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:31,840 they're peritted as you can see state 2985 01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,000 laws peritted now and they're they have 2986 01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:35,599 a different functionality. So I 2987 01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:37,520 appreciate the zoning discussion. I just 2988 01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:42,400 think we can do those with this 2989 01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:44,080 we can we can create both at the same 2990 01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,520 time you know just a different 2991 01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,199 discussion. Zoning can come at another 2992 01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:49,920 time and this would be subsidiary and 2993 01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:52,960 supportive of housing but never the 2994 01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:55,360 primary right. 2995 01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:56,719 We found the same we had the living 2996 01:58:56,719 --> 01:59:03,510 space really 2997 01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:05,040 you guys come up with down the road 2998 01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,040 these accessory will be options for any 2999 01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,880 primary 3000 01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:10,000 want to make sure that they stay 3001 01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:12,560 accessory in nature to that the only 3002 01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:14,239 other thought I'd bring up and I not 3003 01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:17,040 suggest state law I know it's mandated 3004 01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:20,320 for DA use to not be allowed on you know 3005 01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:23,440 single family dwellings Only caveat is 3006 01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:25,679 you can prohibit them for 11,000 square 3007 01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:28,320 foot or less lots. So just something to 3008 01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:30,800 throw out. I'm not recommending that by 3009 01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:32,400 any means 3010 01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:38,950 state law. 3011 01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:45,109 I use it 3012 01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:48,149 detach 3013 01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:49,520 a little squishy 3014 01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:52,320 >> right now we allow it and I think the 3015 01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:54,159 comments always been as long as we meet 3016 01:59:54,159 --> 01:59:56,000 their setbacks like anyone else right 3017 01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:57,840 the setbacks and the impervious surface 3018 01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:00,719 those are broader ordinances that 3019 02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:02,880 protect you know if they don't meet 3020 02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:04,800 their service they can't do it even if 3021 02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:07,280 you know you know or they right or they 3022 02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,440 don't setbacks 3023 02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:13,520 too. So, it's not the macro requirements 3024 02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:15,840 or that's how we have it set up. 3025 02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:16,960 >> Absolutely. 3026 02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:18,560 >> One additional thing too was that we 3027 02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:20,639 talked about having them come in and do 3028 02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:22,639 a license. 3029 02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:23,679 >> Would you explain that? 3030 02:00:23,679 --> 02:00:25,360 >> Yeah, they have to be they're they're 3031 02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:27,840 principally permitted now. Um, so we 3032 02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:29,599 can't have them go through a conditional 3033 02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:31,520 use permit process anymore if they want 3034 02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:33,760 to be less stringent. We still will have 3035 02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:36,159 an administrative license. The primary 3036 02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:38,639 reason for that is We have some specific 3037 02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:40,239 ordinances we want to make sure 3038 02:00:40,239 --> 02:00:43,119 acknowledge via the licensing that you 3039 02:00:43,119 --> 02:00:44,560 know they'll live in one of the units. 3040 02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,719 So that's something that we'll monitor. 3041 02:00:46,719 --> 02:00:48,320 But also from a reporting standpoint, 3042 02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:50,639 it's really helpful if they have this 3043 02:00:50,639 --> 02:00:53,440 license attached to the permit that they 3044 02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:56,000 pull so that we can keep track of how 3045 02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,920 many of these are one of our moderate 3046 02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,159 income housing plans. So this way we 3047 02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:01,760 know how many and how effective this is 3048 02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,000 and what the appetite is for them across 3049 02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:07,599 the city. Uh so we won't have a 3050 02:01:07,599 --> 02:01:09,679 permit and it won't ever prevent anyone 3051 02:01:09,679 --> 02:01:13,760 but they will license 3052 02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:16,960 acknowledge the ordinance and keep track 3053 02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:21,430 of how many city. 3054 02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:24,400 » Can I ask one more question? 18 3055 02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:26,159 um 3056 02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:28,159 shall not be sold separately or 3057 02:01:28,159 --> 02:01:30,800 subdivided from the principal drawing 3058 02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:33,199 unless compliant with subdivision 3059 02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:36,880 regulations. When edu ever the 3060 02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:39,280 subdivision regulations. 3061 02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:43,109 >> I guess they could 3062 02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:44,880 if we allowed them to come to the build 3063 02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:47,440 line, which we're going to, they have 3064 02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:50,159 300 frontage and they wanted to 3065 02:01:50,159 --> 02:01:52,080 subdivide it down the middle, they could 3066 02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:56,239 effectively create two lots. Or if 3067 02:01:56,239 --> 02:01:58,239 they drag a road down the side and it 3068 02:01:58,239 --> 02:01:59,679 was on the rear of their building and 3069 02:01:59,679 --> 02:02:01,599 they could yield enough frontage on the 3070 02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:05,360 new road, then that could theoretically 3071 02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:08,159 Even if the zoning didn't 3072 02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:10,000 >> they have to be zoning still they have 3073 02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:11,679 that large enough 3074 02:02:11,679 --> 02:02:13,119 >> tricky right 3075 02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:15,679 >> it' be pretty hard rare instances but 3076 02:02:15,679 --> 02:02:18,639 something I think one thing is bring an 3077 02:02:18,639 --> 02:02:21,440 interesting thought by the way continue 3078 02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:24,320 but city I believe yeah was city they 3079 02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:27,280 actually now allowing them to be sold 3080 02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:29,840 separately which is interesting but let 3081 02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:34,950 them for 3082 02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:36,880 So, what do you think about that? 3083 02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:38,560 >> I mean, the way I think of it is, like 3084 02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:39,599 you said, it's probably going to be a 3085 02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:40,880 rare occasion. It's going to be 3086 02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:43,199 something that would have to zoning. So, 3087 02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:44,960 it's probably like a rare like a hot 3088 02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:47,760 flag type situation maybe or like a, you 3089 02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:51,360 know, um, somebody already have to be 3090 02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:54,320 able to pull up to the the frontage line 3091 02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:56,080 and then split it off and it would have 3092 02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:59,040 to fit the zone. So, I mean, if we're in 3093 02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:01,520 acre or half acre zones, it' be hard to 3094 02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:03,840 split the property right in the middle. 3095 02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:05,040 I don't know. I don't know how many 3096 02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:06,960 houses we have kind of sitting offset 3097 02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:11,840 half of that. I know it seems like a gray area we don't want to go to, 3098 02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:15,280 >> but I also wonder like 3099 02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:16,800 are we going to do a lot of stuff that 3100 02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:19,280 probably wouldn't be likely to happen? 3101 02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:26,870 >> Well, I'm just wondering at all because 3102 02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:29,840 » well then you've got sewer because I 3103 02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:33,360 understand right and that's going to go 3104 02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:35,119 pump one the side of my house that's 3105 02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:37,920 coming into my sewer. If you subdivide 3106 02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:39,920 that off now, they're going to have to 3107 02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:42,239 change all that, right? 3108 02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:44,080 >> Well, with sewer, you can have two 3109 02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,280 residents in one sewer pit. So, it all 3110 02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:49,679 depends, I guess, if they ran it their 3111 02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:51,920 laterals out to the sewer pit versus 3112 02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:54,960 coming through. I can't think of one 3113 02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:56,880 instance though, but I had someone ask 3114 02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:00,000 once that was on a larger lot like this 3115 02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:02,960 and there was actually a side road and 3116 02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:05,280 they've asked about possibly doing this 3117 02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:08,239 and for a child 3118 02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:10,000 later on, but then they could never 3119 02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:13,520 separate that off and I've only ever 3120 02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:15,440 heard of one. So again, it would have to 3121 02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:18,719 be if it if they happen to be you said 3122 02:04:18,719 --> 02:04:21,040 it would have to fit with the zoning, 3123 02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:22,719 but I don't I don't know that we 3124 02:04:22,719 --> 02:04:26,719 necessarily want to not allow it at the 3125 02:04:26,719 --> 02:04:28,800 case that it could possibly, but again, 3126 02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,760 it would have to be like it says unless 3127 02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:34,239 compliant with subdivision regulations. 3128 02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:36,800 So there that is a pretty stringent set 3129 02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:39,599 of rules right there that I think would 3130 02:04:39,599 --> 02:04:41,920 eliminate just anybody coming in and 3131 02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:43,280 doing it. 3132 02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:47,830 >> So 3133 02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:51,199 Okay. Anything else with that? So if 3134 02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:53,440 not, then we need to then what this 3135 02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:57,280 motion would be then is to approve this. 3136 02:04:57,280 --> 02:04:59,920 And if you want to make those changes in 3137 02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:02,719 the wording that we have and then we can 3138 02:05:02,719 --> 02:05:05,440 get this and again this we're making 3139 02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:07,360 this motion. We're incorporating this 3140 02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,599 into our code. 3141 02:05:09,599 --> 02:05:11,920 So is there anybody that wants to do 3142 02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,480 that motion? I believe we talked about 3143 02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,360 number five changing that wording so it 3144 02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:19,040 just needs to provide adequate off 3145 02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:22,880 street parking space. Number eight which 3146 02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:26,080 was um no part of it may extend beyond 3147 02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:29,199 the front field line 3148 02:05:29,199 --> 02:05:33,760 and I think those were only the only two that we had actual word verbage 3149 02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:34,639 changes. 3150 02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:36,080 >> All right. So, I make a motion to 3151 02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:38,400 approve the oversight structure and 3152 02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:41,440 secondary dwellings 3153 02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:43,199 zoning. 3154 02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:45,920 Uh, with the changes to item five, the 3155 02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:47,679 accessory dwelling unit shall provide 3156 02:05:47,679 --> 02:05:50,159 adequate off- streetet parking space and 3157 02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:53,199 according to line item 8, no part of the 3158 02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:54,880 detached accessory dwelling unit may 3159 02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:57,040 extend beyond the front build line of 3160 02:05:57,040 --> 02:05:58,960 the primary residential structure, 3161 02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:01,520 leaving the rest as proposed. 3162 02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:03,599 >> Okay. So, a motion was made by council 3163 02:06:03,599 --> 02:06:09,430 member. Is there a second? 3164 02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:10,639 » I'll second. 3165 02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:12,239 >> Second is made by council member 3166 02:06:12,239 --> 02:06:16,960 Hancock. Any discussion on this motion? 3167 02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:20,400 >> You know, maybe I do. Uh, back to number 3168 02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:24,000 five, and I asked Councilman, 3169 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:25,679 uh, 3170 02:06:25,679 --> 02:06:29,440 can we have, would it be any good to put 3171 02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:32,079 a compacted 3172 02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:34,320 surface so we don't end up with a a hole 3173 02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:36,560 or just leave it the way it is. 3174 02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:38,639 >> The thing is, madame mayor said that we 3175 02:06:38,639 --> 02:06:40,239 don't put that type of provision 3176 02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:41,599 restriction on even just regular 3177 02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:42,960 driveways. 3178 02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:44,480 >> So to put it here kind of seems a little 3179 02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:45,280 out of 3180 02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:48,719 >> Okay, we'll just 3181 02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:50,719 >> Okay. Because this is a change in code 3182 02:06:50,719 --> 02:06:53,040 then we're going to do this by roll call 3183 02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:55,199 vote again. This time we will start with 3184 02:06:55,199 --> 02:06:57,920 council member Rapto. 3185 02:06:57,920 --> 02:06:58,639 >> Hi. 3186 02:06:58,639 --> 02:06:59,920 >> Council member Craig. 3187 02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:00,639 >> Hi. 3188 02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:02,000 >> Council member Hancock. 3189 02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:03,920 >> Hi. Council member Hill. 3190 02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:04,480 >> I 3191 02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:07,119 >> Okay, that passes. We really appreciate 3192 02:07:07,119 --> 02:07:08,639 the planning commission for all their 3193 02:07:08,639 --> 02:07:10,320 work on this. I know it's taken more 3194 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,079 months than we would have liked, but it 3195 02:07:12,079 --> 02:07:14,639 always is a slow process. We can't have 3196 02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:17,040 everything we do by legal counsel. So, 3197 02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:19,119 the last thing on our agenda then is a 3198 02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:22,239 motion to adjourn. 3199 02:07:22,239 --> 02:07:23,840 >> So, move. 3200 02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:25,599 >> Okay. The motion was made by council 3201 02:07:25,599 --> 02:07:27,520 member Hill. Is there a second? 3202 02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:28,800 >> So, second. 3203 02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:30,800 >> Second made by council member Craig. All 3204 02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:32,480 in favor? 3205 02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:34,320 Okay, motion stands adjourned. Thank you 3206 02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:37,280 so much for coming.