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I'd like to call our work meeting to

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order for the Upper City

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Planning Commission and

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meeting of May 14th, 2026.

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So, first couple items, could I get a

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volunteer for

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the pledge also to pray? I'll do it.

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And then as just for you guys know,

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those two conditional use permits, they

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fall under the new ordinance and they

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both elected to withdraw and just go

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through that

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allowed use process. So,

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it's functioning as

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designed.

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So, we won't do anything with that.

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And then

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I read through the minutes. I did not

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see anything that needed to be

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discussed. Anybody else? They looked

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fine to me.

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And then any questions about the hobby

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kennel as you looked over the new

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application with the site plan and the

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additionals of where the kennels are

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going to be placed?

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I listened to the City Council and they

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did reference the

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state code of 18

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of saying you can't discriminate based

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off of

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breed of dog. So, I

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the condition, I know that was a concern

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of a lot of the people that we had. So,

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we can just maybe communicate that

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to them as they

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so they know what basis why why we're making that

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decision and considering that if we

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you if something were crazy to happen,

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can you revoke the conditional use

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permit whenever you want?

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Um it would have to be a condition. So I

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was kind of looking at that.

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they get out all the time or something

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verified call-ins for noise for

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regarding the dogs happen

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then that's it can be brought back to

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the planning commission to review the

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conditional use to add

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additional additional conditions.

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So that could potentially be a

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main concerns from the meeting last time

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were noise, odor and waste,

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dogs escaping and safety,

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potential breeding, and then the lack of

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site plan,

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which they provided in this one. Yeah.

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there was concern about the breed, but

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that one's kind of null to me because

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the the code or whatever.

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question. You can revoke. Okay.

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But you have to But that's one of our

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conditions up front. We need to set the

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commission the conditions now. Yeah, so

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if they're not following the conditions,

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it can be revoked.

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can't [clears throat] discriminate

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against the breed, is that something we

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want to take off that application?

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question in the

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know why it would be relevant.

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comes to granting a I guess it can be on

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specifically ask for breed? Yeah, it

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says how many dogs and types of dogs

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that will be housed on the property.

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turn into a non-hobby? Is it at the

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amount of dogs or if they have a

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business license that acts as a

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business? Amount of dogs. Amount. Amount

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of dogs and then also with hobby you

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can't you can't you can't be breeding

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stuff like that, right? So, kind of

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email that was sent in that

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the potential of the potential of

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business type activities.

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city council work meeting

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brought up a I thought brought up a fair

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point to be discussed here is

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where do you like we allow farmers to

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have hobby calves and we don't

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doesn't kick over into the

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commercialized Yeah. So, where where are we drawing the line?

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reasonableness of the conditions.

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just the worry is that we put our city

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unreasonable.

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what kind of city we have and like

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how far away they are from the school

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and those kind of things.

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reasonable conditions

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fences like that's unreasonable in my

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mind, right?

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unreasonable. Well, if I allow

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it's has to be 8?

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unreasonable. Because they already have

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the breed of the dog? If someone wanted

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to make them jump to an 8-ft fence

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because of the red line?

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because of the breed, which we're not

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allowed to do? I think we would be

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tipping into that area of unreasonable.

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repeatedly, if they're the noise or the

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stench and

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stuff like that. But also, if they if

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there is evidence of it this is now

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business, they're breeding, they're

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boarding.

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The conditions you place on them. They

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the first time how they're going to put

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them outside every once in a while. Mhm.

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to be leashed from the house to the

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fenced, I feel like that would be an

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unreasonable ask. Okay. All right. That

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little too much is what I'm saying.

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How close is the next building? Is the

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next residence? It's an acre lot, and so

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there's a They They have neighbors next

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door. But how far are we from We're

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probably 50 ft tops. 50 ft? Yeah,

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they're 100 It looks like they're 100-ft

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frontages down there at Well, on the

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farm If you look at the house to the

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they're not that far apart.

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they come in with concerns, the

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neighbors?

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neighbors is scared of dogs and she

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made sure that everybody knew she didn't

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want her calves or baby calves near her.

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me, I talked to her on the phone.

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they're right there.

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deep and wide. Okay. It's actually 1.7,

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but they're deep and they're wide. So,

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concerned about noise, I think would be

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plan it shows that they didn't put it,

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you know, on the fence next to the

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neighbor's house. They put it more in

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the middle. Yeah. On the back. Okay. And

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also, don't they have to get it approved

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through the neighbor county? At the 65

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as long as it's approved through them,

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too. So, they Well, so So, They're the

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yard's fenced in the back pasture.

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where they I couldn't find it.

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I typed in Hooper Animal Control.

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animal control and under their hobby

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kennel it's like be inspected annually,

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but nobody at Weber County knows

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anything about that. So, there's

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nothing's going to happen through the

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county.

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And being a commission They what? They

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just had a nasty turnover. I know that's

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weird. I know. I know.

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What were you saying, Chase?

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turnover

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listening to one of the debates.

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Oh, really? Yeah.

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Anyways, so I noise obviously these dogs

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can be loud, but I feel like bark

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collars are sufficient.

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do bark collars. They said they were

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going to do bark collars on them. So, I

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felt like that mitigated that one

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noise. They volunteered to do that?

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think they already are doing it anyway.

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asked them questions, they like, oh,

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condition that we they're going to

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volunteer that. Yeah. Yeah, there is a

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line on the application that says how

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will noise / barking be kept under

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control when they say bark collars and

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training. Yeah, we'll have to put it on

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the record that that is the condition.

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The odor and waste they proposed a plan

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to sanitize Every day, wasn't it? They

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were going to spray

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>> Yeah.

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>> every day with some

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I can't remember if it how frequently

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they stated, but it was I know that

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the permit for a hobby kennel says 4 to

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10, but can we mitigate what 4 to 10

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means? Can we say five?

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Or Is that just open? The code is 10 is

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4 to 10.

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>> 10. So.

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they can have up to 10. They can

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have up to 10. Yeah, how will noise It

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says right here, bark collars and

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training. Potty area will be regularly

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cleaned and sprayed down with cleaner.

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So, do we Yeah, so you probably want to

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define regularly

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in the in the record.

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Now, she says five German Shepherds and

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Malinois.

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So, one that I've seen with these types

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of things is a curfew.

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The dogs are in by 10, which is normal

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curfew hours.

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But,

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it seems like they're taking care of the

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they're volunteering to do the dog the

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bark collar, then that's Yes, I I mean,

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I give them credit for applying. And the

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fact that you can legally have three

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now. So, like when we're talking noise,

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what's the difference between three and

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five? I mean, three and 10 obviously a

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big difference, but

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the fact that they're applying tells me

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that they're serious about what they do, for a website, what they

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train. My concern is, okay, is this a

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raw is this going to

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And you can't hold somebody accountable

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for something that may happen in the

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future, but is this going to be a

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revolving door of dogs? Are we going to

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have five here at a time, but

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do we necessarily own these dogs? Are

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these dogs we're working with and we're

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just going to keep rotating dogs

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through? They're all the training ones

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that are in training.

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>> Yeah.

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So, how do you differentiate that

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between the horse trainer that rotates

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through?

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Six horses at his property and they're

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not all his, but he's training them to

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rope cuz that happens Oh, yeah, all the

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time.

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Yeah, I don't think they if it's a

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requirement

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What's that?

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>> need to be owned by the owner. As long

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as they're not doing it as a business,

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cuz a hobby kennel can't be run running

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it like a training business out of the

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home. Correct.

354
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I mean, we could we could require

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they're licensed to correct.

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So, they're not getting any sort of

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business license with this. No, they

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didn't.

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Quote unquote, I think that they said

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that they were personal dogs.

361
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>> Yeah, for that they use for sport.

362
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They're sport dogs. Yeah.

363
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You see it?

364
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Sammy and Katie.

365
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He's too fast and furious.

366
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So, he can't have a hobby

367
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>> [laughter]

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>> Okay.

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Four to 10. Got him. Four to 10 of them

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are not in training for what was the

371
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breeding and training and

372
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Personal enjoyment. Okay.

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Then there it is.

374
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Can't be for business.

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So, that would I think mitigate that a

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little bit cuz if you're doing a

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training, it's probably for business.

378
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Well, and that's the I I think down the

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road if they ever violated then you can

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revoke the conditional use permit.

381
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>> Well, if they're doing business without

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a license, we can charge criminal and all sorts of civil. What if

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they have a business license and then

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does that disqualify them for the

385
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conditional use of the farming and hobby

386
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farm? I don't know if they need to have

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different. They would have to be

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differentiated.

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So, the business would be for

390
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So, they would have to apply for a

391
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commercial kennel. Yeah. Which is still

392
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an R1 allowed

393
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>> well, that's one of the one of the

394
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residents that reached out to us, that

395
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was her concern is she was talking to them after the

396
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meeting and they're looking at the

397
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ground behind them that's like 3 acres

398
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and that would

399
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make it so they can apply for a

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commercial license.

401
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Can you scroll up a little bit,

402
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so we can see the commercial

403
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So, commercial has to be

404
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>> So, if located 3 acres, so it's located

405
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in residential.

406
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So, it sounds like their goal is to

407
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maybe get to a commercial if they end up

408
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buying that land. Which our code Yeah.

409
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allows it our code allows it in some

410
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Yeah.

411
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But until then So, do

412
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putting something do we need to put

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something in the motion as the business license as

414
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commercial activity as a condition or is

415
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that already spelled out in the charter

416
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there? Okay.

417
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We just got to make sure that

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the Coys don't sell them any more

419
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ground.

420
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So, that's where they get their fence

421
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>> Can we can we ask

422
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Yeah. So, it where that property's fully

423
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fenced and and gated like,

424
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you know, and I know we don't

425
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discriminate against breeds, but there

426
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is a difference between these dogs.

427
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They're They're for what they're

428
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sporting. Yeah. Can Can we ask that the

429
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gates be locked?

430
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The The gates leading from the yard to

431
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the front yard.

432
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Cuz I I can't imagine a little kid wanting to

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pet the doggies

434
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and going through one of those gates.

435
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Wait.

436
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I think Is that a reasonable I think

437
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that's reasonable.

438
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>> It's not because you could be You could

439
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have that same worry for any dog.

440
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>> Yeah. Yeah.

441
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Don't they have Yeah, do we We require

442
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that for a swimming pool, don't we?

443
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Yeah, they have those self-locking

444
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gates, or at least, you know, the ones

445
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that latch

446
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>> latch or yourself latching gate on

447
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swimming pools.

448
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They don't open by accident. They can't

449
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They don't necessarily have to be

450
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locked, so. But we don't need to specify

451
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on the record that it's because of the

452
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type of dog.

453
00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,720
>> No, we just we just want the gates

454
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locked if we're going to have that many

455
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animals on the property.

456
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>> Dude, well, and and

457
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with the

458
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caveat that

459
00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,480
we just don't want

460
00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,200
kids or somebody else trying to come

461
00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,040
into your yard. We're trying to protect

462
00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,520
you

463
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as well as everybody else.

464
00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:42,030
Yeah.

465
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I don't know if I'm the only one that's

466
00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,320
lost sleep over this one. This is

467
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different.

468
00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,350
Yeah.

469
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I'm not sure. They're with the

470
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drug and alcohol treatment center.

471
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So, I think all of those Those are the

472
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main concerns.

473
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So, I don't see how any of those aren't

474
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mitigated with a motion that includes

475
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[clears throat] what either they already

476
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offered to do with the bark bark

477
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collars, and then the

478
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just needed to define what they view as

479
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regularly on the odor and waste. But we

480
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can reiterate that in our motion for

481
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collars. Yeah.

482
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The cleanliness. Lock gates. Lock gates.

483
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And I think the lock gates kind of dogs

484
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escaping safety issue, that's a

485
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condition I think that's reasonable

486
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there. And then

487
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I think mentioning to them that

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commercial activity would fall under a

489
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different use, so they're aware of that.

490
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Yep.

491
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And just have a code slate and then

492
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other than that the site plan to me

493
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looked

494
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if they follow that, I think it's

495
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Is that Is that an in-ground pool? It

496
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is, isn't it? Yeah.

497
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I believe so.

498
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That's interesting. I looked it up on

499
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there.

500
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On the on the Google. On Google.

501
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I don't think this yet. That's pretty

502
00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:09,880
good.

503
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There it is. There it is. It's closed.

504
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Whoever does the motion

505
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can you just

506
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reiterate that they have voluntarily

507
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agreed to use bark collars. Yeah.

508
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Make it as a condition that you have

509
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voluntarily

510
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they volunteered to have that be a

511
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condition. Yeah.

512
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I don't want some someone from PETA

513
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coming to us and saying Oh, yeah.

514
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,280
You guys are requiring requiring bark

515
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collars that kind That's true.

516
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If that's If that's [laughter] If that's

517
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the part of this PETA has a problem with

518
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that's

519
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Let them chain up. Enjoy the mosquitoes.

520
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Any other Does anybody else have any How

521
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do you want to define regular cleaning?

522
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I'd say with that many dogs doesn't need

523
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to be every day. I thought she made the

524
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comment that we're going to go out there

525
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and spray it every day, but I I they did

526
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,640
because then somebody brought up, "Well,

527
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that's a lot of water.

528
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,960
And she said no, one to two gallons.

529
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,440
Yeah. And they've got a chemical that

530
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they use.

531
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,840
She'll She'll biodegradeable chemical.

532
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,160
And light her up and ask her again,

533
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,120
right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we can

534
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,880
Kind of let her self-define it almost

535
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and then if she doesn't, then we offer

536
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our

537
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stipulation. But if she'll define it as

538
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one every day, then that's an easy

539
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,560
answer for us to say okay, every day it

540
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is.

541
00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:40,400
Do you want to put anything in there

542
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about X amount of complaints or

543
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Do we Do we need to Do we need to define

544
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that like the number of complaints?

545
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>> [clears throat]

546
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,880
>> Nuisance complaints. We could You could

547
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say

548
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it's if three verified

549
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noise complaints with animal control

550
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would get made, then it they come back

551
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to the planning commission so we can add

552
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additional

553
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conditions.

554
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We could do

555
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I

556
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If they ever get out, I think that's

557
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like a

558
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that would be

559
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,960
reason for them to come back in. I don't

560
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,560
know. I Like do you want to put

561
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,680
something around if they ever I think

562
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,720
the barking is defined under nuisance,

563
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,120
which I think there are a whole lot of

564
00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:33,440
things that fall under that, so Three

565
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,880
nuisance complaints.

566
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,680
But then we've also got to remember

567
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,920
somebody doesn't like those dogs, they

568
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,720
could just be calling.

569
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,040
Nuisance complaints. You could do even a

570
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,720
single I could have verified.

571
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,800
It would have to be a verified

572
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,560
complaint. True. Yeah, through law

573
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,440
enforcement. Yeah.

574
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,920
Through law enforcement or animal

575
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,720
control, right? It probably go through

576
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,649
our county ordinance. Law enforcement.

577
00:20:55,649 --> 00:20:55,760
>> [clears throat]

578
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,120
>> Officer Allen is the one who fields

579
00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,240
those, investigates them, and then

580
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,520
brings back the findings what he sees

581
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,440
does. Is he the same one that is scared

582
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,480
of dogs and so you have to go catch him

583
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,880
for him and put him in the

584
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,520
Not that I've had any experience with

585
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,000
that, but Don't tell us how you really

586
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,644
feel. I don't know.

587
00:21:14,644 --> 00:21:15,080
>> [laughter]

588
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,600
>> Hobbling down the road chasing dogs.

589
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,360
The gal would come out was 10 times the

590
00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:21,760
She was tough.

591
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,470
but he was like

592
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,670
You want me to go catch it?

593
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,670
Anyway, we digress.

594
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:34,640
So, we're going to throw it in there?

595
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,400
Somebody say Well, three three nuisance

596
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,080
complaints and

597
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,760
verifiable verifiable verifiable through

598
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,040
Weaver County

599
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,400
Three nuisance complaints from separate

600
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,240
neighbors? One neighbor? Just complaints

601
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,120
today. If they're verifiable, it's a

602
00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:48,800
complaint.

603
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,550
>> Okay.

604
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,600
Yeah, it wouldn't be any good if they

605
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:52,720
weren't

606
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,640
>> there? Does that mean it has to be filed

607
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,400
with Weaver County comes out and finds

608
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,960
they were at fault with that? Yeah, I

609
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,640
guess he's going to do something like

610
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,880
that. So, it's not just like

611
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,160
Which is the same as our ordinance for

612
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,240
like We've had him come out for

613
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,520
different

614
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,760
homes that are

615
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,160
bad, right? And he can't verify it. And

616
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,320
they'll go out and then inspect and

617
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,640
yeah, not a Do they give you guys city

618
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,560
staff the report?

619
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,520
They do give you the report. So, you

620
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,680
would be able to tell, hey, this

621
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,960
third time we've

622
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,440
Okay. And if our three complaints like

623
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,080
if three different neighbors complain

624
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,120
about one night of barking, is that

625
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,320
three events or three or one complaint?

626
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,160
That'd be one. I think I'd say verified

627
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,080
events events, yeah. That's what I

628
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,590
think, too.

629
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,680
That's what I'm just making sure I

630
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,600
understand it. It shouldn't be a

631
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,600
problem, but three

632
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,200
separate

633
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,965
>> separate instances

634
00:22:48,965 --> 00:22:49,040
>> [clears throat]

635
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:57,270
>> or events that occurred. Okay.

636
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,840
If you're going to contemplate that, do

637
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,000
you want to also

638
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,960
Yeah, and then

639
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,400
maybe request for Dan, do you know one

640
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,880
of the corners of What if it's a pretty

641
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,800
severe complaint or

642
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,600
issue? Like if someone got bit, for

643
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,600
instance, something like that.

644
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:15,960
You want to have to be able to address

645
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,400
>> just have the condition be that if

646
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,520
there's complaints

647
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,080
and they're verified.

648
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,680
Just any complaints

649
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,000
verified to

650
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,720
how this is being ran

651
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,280
that it gets brought back to the

652
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,760
planning commission to review.

653
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:32,960
That seems fair. I like that. That's

654
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,560
good wording. It's not like they're

655
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,040
going to revoke it inherently, but it at

656
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,000
least just let us eyes on it. Yeah.

657
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,760
Or there could we could set a yearly

658
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,800
review. That's another thing we could do

659
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,790
as well.

660
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,720
Is there a way to distinguish between a

661
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,800
nuisance complaint versus

662
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,310
something safety? Safety.

663
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,840
I think we can

664
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,360
I think complaints

665
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,240
in regards to how this kennel is being

666
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,200
ran,

667
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,600
I think

668
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,200
that would just give us the ability to

669
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,720
bring them in for review either way.

670
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,950
Right.

671
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,960
How would you word

672
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,920
Um it'll be

673
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,480
one of the conditions is a yearly

674
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,400
review.

675
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,840
Of your operating not like your

676
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,480
operation, but your permit. The condition of this

677
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,760
permit.

678
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,640
I mean, we make the

679
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,680
people with the ADUs come in every year

680
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,880
and verify that they're

681
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,240
one of the primary

682
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,160
Yeah, I I I think I think I think that's

683
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,480
pretty reasonable to ask that that we

684
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,640
want to review this yearly.

685
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,240
So, next May.

686
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,557
Well, and it could be very simple.

687
00:24:45,557 --> 00:24:46,212
>> [cough]

688
00:24:46,212 --> 00:24:46,240
[clears throat]

689
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,320
>> It'd be very chopped. Next May, it's

690
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,880
like, you know what? You guys have lived

691
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,960
up to your end of the bargain.

692
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:53,480
Appreciate it.

693
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,280
>> Has there been any complaints already?

694
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,240
No. Like nobody's sent in the house. I

695
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,280
think they're in They're They're

696
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,360
remodeling

697
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:01,400
that house.

698
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,760
Oh, they're They're remodeling that

699
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,630
house.

700
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:13,390
They're migrating from Salt Lake.

701
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,560
I'm wondering if it would be better to

702
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,000
have some sort of trigger with the

703
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,320
annual review.

704
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,000
Some sort of trigger.

705
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,600
There would have to be a reason why we'd

706
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,920
have them come in for a review

707
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,320
instead of just an automatic. Yeah, I

708
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,320
feel like that's kind of

709
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,440
Yeah, I feel like get out of my

710
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,752
business. Yeah.

711
00:25:30,752 --> 00:25:31,280
>> [laughter]

712
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,920
>> Well, that's That's my thing. But if

713
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,280
there's a complaint, like if I if I'm

714
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,337
not running it right, my neighbors

715
00:25:35,337 --> 00:25:36,480
[clears throat] are going to complain.

716
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,280
And then we And then we That's when the

717
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,960
review happens. Yeah,

718
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,910
that makes sense.

719
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,160
Yeah, this This might be one of those

720
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,800
things that it goes in and it just goes

721
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,760
away quietly cuz everything's fine.

722
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,800
Well, I think that's what we're hoping

723
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,080
for.

724
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,520
Seems like a verifiable complaint. Since

725
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,560
we do pay the county to do that for us,

726
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,360
it has a slight vetting process. I think

727
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,960
it could protect on both sides if

728
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,680
Allen says this is the same complaint

729
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,080
we've received every time and nothing's

730
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,400
changed. We've already seen it once.

731
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,240
That probably wouldn't be verifiable,

732
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,360
right? It'd be probably a burden already

733
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,200
not happening if it's not really

734
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,520
legitimate. And then

735
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,320
if it's new, we'd be able to see it. So,

736
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,480
the complaint would trigger it. It seems

737
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,440
like that's enforceable

738
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,720
and doable.

739
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,800
Not too burdensome. Annually could be a

740
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,320
little burdensome, especially if we get

741
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,120
any more received in the next year.

742
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,960
Yeah, we don't do the annual based on

743
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,720
complaint.

744
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,800
Verifiable complaint.

745
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,360
And we don't want to go off the number

746
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,080
of instances in case it's uh severe.

747
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,880
Yeah. Yeah.

748
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,240
I mean, that makes it a little

749
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,350
half-hazard to do that.

750
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:47,280
Yeah.

751
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,520
Well, they've only bitten somebody

752
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,760
twice. I get one more.

753
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,920
>> I got one more.

754
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,750
That's two free doggie jail free cards.

755
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,310
Okay.

756
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,600
All right. Do you actually have

757
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,880
everything written down on the tackle

758
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,040
list? No.

759
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Yeah, he has So, Oh, yeah.

760
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,080
Our callers voluntarily.

761
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,640
Gates locked.

762
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,200
Uh

763
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,800
nuisance verifiable nuisance complaints,

764
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,040
it'll come back before Columnist.

765
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,800
Planning commission. Did you need any

766
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,160
more time for this or are we good? We

767
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,840
can just invite her up to answer some of

768
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,680
ours.

769
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,480
Yeah, I don't have any any I don't I'll

770
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,760
make sure you have the plan. You want to

771
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,720
go over the site plan just so that

772
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,160
everybody

773
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,560
>> Depending on who's here, you

774
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,880
flash [clears throat] that up to say no.

775
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,040
>> Yeah, I'll make sure you have the plan.

776
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,640
Right in the middle. [snorts] I'll just

777
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,960
make sure they know that they're what

778
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,920
they're applying for and but I don't

779
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,560
have much to add, no.

780
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,640
Just relax. Yeah, cuz this isn't a

781
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,160
public hearing. No, but we we did

782
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,160
request him last time to bring a site

783
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,339
plan.

784
00:27:46,339 --> 00:27:47,120
>> [clears throat]

785
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:47,800
>> Yeah,

786
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,360
just saying that we we appreciate they

787
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,000
put it in. Yeah.

788
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,600
Yep.

789
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,160
So, that was the only four conditions we

790
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,230
had.

791
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,880
Ask about the planning and get that in

792
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,120
writing.

793
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,630
Define regular, yeah.

794
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,590
Okay.

795
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,320
Sounds like you've got it handled. Good

796
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,240
job.

797
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,840
It always works out that way. Pays to be the last one here. Pays to be

798
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,760
the first.

799
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,000
I don't know what we're all celebrating.

800
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,600
First time First time I beat you to the

801
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,399
beer.

802
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:21,480
>> [laughter]

803
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,280
>> Had a hectic day, man.

804
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,240
>> I thought really long and hard about

805
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,680
staying in the place all night.

806
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,000
But you did.

807
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,960
Yeah.

808
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:29,840
Um

809
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,080
I don't know if this

810
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,520
blurs [snorts] too much from what the

811
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,880
agenda item is, but

812
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,440
in council, did we discuss briefly and I

813
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,920
can't remember what their determination

814
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,640
was, but they wanted to review the

815
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,200
overall ordinance for hobby kennels, is

816
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,880
that right? At some point, the number

817
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,680
of dogs.

818
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,480
I don't know if that's something they

819
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,040
can discuss further now or we need to

820
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,240
notice it differently.

821
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,920
That wouldn't apply to this at all cuz

822
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,520
these guys would have applied first.

823
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,910
Yeah.

824
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,000
We'll get it on the next. We'll get it

825
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,720
on the next agenda.

826
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,240
They kind of review the ordinances as

827
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200
they relate to these.

828
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,040
So with that, Travis, I don't know if

829
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,520
you heard, but those two conditional use

830
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,800
permits fall under the

831
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,120
new ordinance and they

832
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,760
don't have a hardship, so they're not

833
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,840
going to there's

834
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,720
Yeah, so they're off the I wondered

835
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400
about that. Yeah, yeah, they do. We

836
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,210
thought it was and they have

837
00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:27,800
>> [clears throat and cough]

838
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,600
>> noticing we thought it was just take it

839
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,520
here, but it is it does feel a lot if

840
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,360
even if we place conditions or anything

841
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,640
occurred, they could just apply tomorrow

842
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,320
and be principally permitted, so there

843
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,920
was just no sense.

844
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,440
Do you guys remember when I know there

845
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,240
was a ton of conversation about sizing

846
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,960
everything. Something they talked about

847
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,600
at council meeting that I don't remember

848
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,440
us ever discussing. We talked about the

849
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,400
amount of parking, but did we ever talk

850
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,200
about it being paved or concrete?

851
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,800
>> I read I listened to the meeting

852
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,640
yesterday and I thought

853
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,080
Well, we did we did specify like

854
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,240
parkable surface. Yeah. Yeah, not on

855
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,560
grass. Not on grass, but Yeah, we didn't

856
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,840
say it had to be concrete or asphalt.

857
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Well,

858
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,200
that's that's that's how they have

859
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,800
brought it up and they put they pulled

860
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,160
that part out.

861
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,480
So it still has to be a parkable

862
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,280
surface, but Because we're going to get [clears throat] them

863
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,720
for impervious service surface anyway,

864
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,880
so

865
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,040
I didn't Yeah, when I when I listened to

866
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,920
that I was like we never said they

867
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,480
pavement.

868
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,680
Because half the driveways out here are

869
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,091
unpaved.

870
00:30:30,091 --> 00:30:37,160
>> [laughter]

871
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,480
>> A parkable surface.

872
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,520
What's that?

873
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,240
Yeah, how is that defined?

874
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,400
According to one of my neighbors, you

875
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,200
say we don't want it grass, but we want

876
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,160
the discussion, but I'm assuming I agree

877
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,800
with what they're saying. [laughter]

878
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,640
They said something about we want

879
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,320
surface

880
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,760
park but we don't want it just to be

881
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,920
grass.

882
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,000
I took a liberty and said well, most

883
00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:02,470
codes want asphalt or concrete.

884
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,600
For new development What does our code

885
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,120
require for a new development? home

886
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,000
residential I'd have to look. I actually

887
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,120
know I'd actually don't know if it does

888
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,640
require concrete. I thought I thought it

889
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,080
should

890
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,600
Not even a little apron, no?

891
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,880
I'll look. I'm not sure. Good. You're

892
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,080
covered.

893
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,120
You're not. Maybe not.

894
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,880
I think the ordinance doesn't actually

895
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,240
call anything out.

896
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,680
I mean they did

897
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,640
>> We could the That's probably pretty sure

898
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,060
the city's going to want to address as

899
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:30,480
[clears throat] it gets more dense.

900
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,960
Okay. Got to put that on your list of

901
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,200
holes. list of things, holes, missing

902
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,480
because

903
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,640
All those will be grandfathered in, so

904
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,120
all the homes now that are allowed to

905
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,560
have dirt

906
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,000
will be allowed

907
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000
to have dirt. Yeah. I can tell you if I

908
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,480
could afford it, I'd have asphalt. It's

909
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,200
true. I'm not going to go. You're you're farther than me. I'm 200 ft.

910
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,880
You're about 350. 350 I would have got

911
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,480
slag from Nucor and built my driveway

912
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,430
out of slag.

913
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,840
But we can

914
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,280
If nobody has any other comments, we can

915
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,000
close the meeting and

916
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,240
adjourn until our Go play soccer. at

917
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,520
11:30. Go play soccer. Have fun.

918
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,040
We'll We'll see you back here. We had

919
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,360
Well, there was 12,000 sq. ft. We had

920
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,750
about close to five. And then they're

921
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Gary, peace out.

922
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,480
So, we received like five or six So,

923
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,200
recently, not with the last one, but

924
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,640
with this one.

925
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,760
To be fair, I would say.

926
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,520
Making sure the sprinklers and

927
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,990
everything is

928
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,880
» Making

929
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,200
sure the sprinklers work and

930
00:32:38,200 --> 00:33:02,990
everything's safe.

931
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,480
Welcome.

932
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,600
I'd like to welcome you all to our

933
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,920
May 14th, 2026 Planning Commission

934
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,800
meeting. I am Commissioner McCormack and

935
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,960
I'll be conducting the meeting.

936
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,600
To begin our meeting, we'll have a

937
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,440
Pledge of Allegiance led by Commissioner

938
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,960
Weight and

939
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,350
a prayer given by myself.

940
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,920
Please stand and pledge allegiance with

941
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,640
me.

942
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,560
I pledge allegiance to the flag

943
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,240
of the United States of America

944
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,400
and to the republic for which it stands,

945
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,360
one nation under God, indivisible, with

946
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:52,470
liberty and justice for all.

947
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,520
Our Father in heaven, we're very

948
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,760
grateful for the opportunity we have to

949
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,720
gather together here as residents of

950
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,320
Hooper. We're grateful for the freedom

951
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,920
that we enjoy.

952
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,160
We're grateful for the soldiers who

953
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,480
fight for us. We ask that you please

954
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,240
bless them and their families that they

955
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,240
may be comforted and protected by their

956
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,720
way.

957
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,200
We're grateful for

958
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,440
the blessings that we have here and we

959
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,080
ask that the spirit be with us to guide

960
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,040
us in truth that we may

961
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,720
discuss the needs of the city here and

962
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:21,919
come to

963
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:24,120
conclusions that will be acceptable to

964
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:30,030
all. We're grateful for

965
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,520
the knowledge that we have of thee and

966
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,960
we say these things in the name of Jesus

967
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,190
Christ. Amen. Amen.

968
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,919
All right. First

969
00:34:40,919 --> 00:34:44,000
um are the consent items. We have the

970
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,399
meetings from dated April 9th, 2026.

971
00:34:49,399 --> 00:34:51,960
Um did anybody have any corrections or

972
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,440
I'll entertain a motion to approve those

973
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,240
minutes.

974
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:57,080
Uh I didn't see any uh

975
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,560
waiting for any corrections, so I'll

976
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,040
make a motion to approve the

977
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,670
minutes dated April 9th, 2026.

978
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,760
I'll second it. We have a motion from

979
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,480
Commissioner White and a second from

980
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Commissioner Sebring. All in favor? Aye.

981
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,120
Motion passes.

982
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,880
Now on to I guess some agenda items on

983
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,360
uh I guess some cleanup items on our

984
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,960
agenda. Since the City Council last week

985
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,680
passed the uh new kind of increased size

986
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,520
on the condition the oversized

987
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,880
structures, both of those are oversized

988
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,600
structures that are on the

989
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,120
agenda are no longer on the agenda as

990
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,120
they will just pass under the new

991
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,920
ordinance. So, those will not be

992
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,560
discussed tonight or there will not be a

993
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,720
public hearing on those. So, if you're

994
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,480
here for those, just letting you know.

995
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,960
And just to specify, though, they

996
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,160
withdrew their applications. Oh, sorry.

997
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,840
Yes. So, they withdrew their

998
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,080
applications and are just going to go

999
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,000
through the new ordinance

1000
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,360
process.

1001
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,160
And then

1002
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:10,520
we do have [clears throat] one item of business here for a hobby kennel for

1003
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,960
Grace Richards and Nick Brown. And kind

1004
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,800
of

1005
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,000
one one thing I wanted to say before we

1006
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,720
get into discussing this as a council as

1007
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,600
a planning commission, we are

1008
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,200
administrators of the ordinances that

1009
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,640
are already set in place, meaning we

1010
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,360
cannot change what is

1011
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,480
already written in city code in that

1012
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,560
instance, but we can

1013
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,560
apply conditions where those things can

1014
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,960
be met that don't

1015
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,400
do unreasonable ask on those residents

1016
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,520
applying for that as the use is written

1017
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,320
out in our in our code. So, we don't

1018
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,040
have

1019
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,960
the authority or the power to change any

1020
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,000
city ordinances per se or to deny things

1021
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,760
just that because

1022
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,320
we don't like things. Just so kind of to

1023
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,360
clarify what our role is here is when

1024
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,120
applicants come before us, we just have

1025
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,120
to look at what the city code is is

1026
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,480
written as and apply that code to the

1027
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,280
conditional the use that has been

1028
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,480
requested. So,

1029
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,960
kind of just clarify that

1030
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,600
um point right there. And then so, our

1031
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,720
now on to this item of business for the

1032
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,000
hobby kennel, Mr. Chairman.

1033
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,880
Sorry to interrupt, but I I do want to

1034
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,040
ask

1035
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,200
and see if we can make a motion cuz

1036
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,600
there's obviously a lot of citizens that

1037
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,640
have a lot of interest in this.

1038
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,480
I would like to ask if you guys think it

1039
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,280
would be appropriate to move citizen

1040
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,600
comment

1041
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,480
before this action item

1042
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,280
understanding of course that

1043
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,520
no action be taken based on their

1044
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,960
comments, but would that be appropriate

1045
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,840
to

1046
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,200
possibly move citizen comment to that

1047
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,800
people comment prior to moving on to

1048
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,480
action items?

1049
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,200
It It would be up to you guys to vote

1050
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,600
for it. Okay. Then, if you're okay with

1051
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,840
that, I would like to make a motion that

1052
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,000
we move agenda item five for citizen

1053
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,280
comment um allowing our

1054
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,880
citizens 3 minutes

1055
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,760
uh understanding we cannot take action

1056
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,840
on any items presented, but I'd like to

1057
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,200
move that up before

1058
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,030
um action item 4A.

1059
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,920
Okay, we have a motion from Commissioner

1060
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,880
Bates to move citizen comment

1061
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,960
to the first item.

1062
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,030
Do we have a second?

1063
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,240
I'll second it.

1064
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:35,760
Second from Commissioner Woodison. All

1065
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,880
in favor?

1066
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,880
Aye. Aye.

1067
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,440
All right, motion passes. Okay, so now

1068
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,760
we'll

1069
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,360
with that motion, we'll move citizen

1070
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,240
comment up. So, just on citizen comment,

1071
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,600
you'll have

1072
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,480
Please

1073
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,040
step forward to the microphone, state

1074
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,240
your name. You don't need to and if that

1075
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:55,960
you're a resident of Upper City, you

1076
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,280
don't need to give your address, and

1077
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,560
then you'll have 3 minutes.

1078
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,520
Um watch Morgan for your time to state

1079
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,840
your

1080
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,360
concern. And just so you know, like

1081
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,720
Commissioner Bates mentioned, we can't

1082
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,920
take actions on these comments, but um

1083
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,480
we can

1084
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,920
listen to your concerns.

1085
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,000
At this time, we'll open that up to

1086
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,750
citizen comment.

1087
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,200
Good evening. My name is Shay Wardleigh,

1088
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:22,960
and I

1089
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,640
am a Hooper resident.

1090
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,040
I um

1091
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,000
live back-to-back adjacent to uh the

1092
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,440
Browns, however, my mother is their next

1093
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,400
immediate next-door neighbor, and I

1094
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,800
spend a lot of time at my mother's house

1095
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,560
helping her. We have host family dinners

1096
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,640
where there are children present, and I

1097
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,080
have concerns about um the hobby kennel

1098
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,720
license that they've applied for.

1099
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,840
My understanding under a hobby kennel

1100
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,760
license is that it is not for commercial

1101
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,280
use, it's for private residence. In the

1102
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,040
April meeting, the Browns stated that

1103
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,640
their dogs are not pets, and that they

1104
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,400
are

1105
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,040
uh trained in what's called PSA, which

1106
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,800
is protection services. Um

1107
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,520
it's basically attack protocols. These

1108
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,680
dogs are specially trained to

1109
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,440
um

1110
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,720
protect their owners, and so I think

1111
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,200
that that's an inherent danger for the

1112
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,040
community and for uh their neighbors

1113
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,000
that increase in volume of this type of

1114
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,760
non-pet

1115
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,960
um in inherently increases the dangers.

1116
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,280
Furthermore, they've requested a hobby

1117
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,640
kennel license. However, they own a

1118
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,280
commercial business. They have a

1119
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,440
training business. And they

1120
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,200
my understanding is they don't meet the

1121
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,000
qualifications for a commercial license.

1122
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,240
And I don't think that they should be

1123
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:49,840
granted a hobby license just because

1124
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,040
they, you know, don't meet the the

1125
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,720
qualifications for a commercial license.

1126
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,960
Um their business includes services of

1127
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,120
training and boarding other people's

1128
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,880
aggressive dogs. So, again, that's an

1129
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,280
increase in quantity and so inherently

1130
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,760
an increase in potential dangers to

1131
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,120
their neighbors, the community,

1132
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,640
livestock, and so on.

1133
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,840
Um the In the April 9th meeting, they

1134
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,480
also stated uh again that their dogs are

1135
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,760
not pets, but they are canneled 100% of

1136
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,080
the time. They disclosed that their dog

1137
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,960
the dog breeds were Malinois, um

1138
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,920
which have a a little uh

1139
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,480
They're often called Maligators for and

1140
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,400
um German Shepherds. And these are very

1141
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,760
um high energy breed dogs. I'm concerned

1142
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,840
that if they, you know, one I want them

1143
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,680
to be canneled all the time, but that

1144
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,720
also leads to barrier frustration and

1145
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,080
Malinois in particular are known to be

1146
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,600
able to climb fences with ease. So, I'm

1147
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,040
asking the commissioners to deny the

1148
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,880
basic the uh hobby license based on the

1149
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,760
fact that they own a business and this

1150
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,040
is doesn't qualify for a hobby kennel,

1151
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,960
in

1152
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,560
uh is my understanding. And in spite of

1153
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,080
all of these considerations, if the

1154
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,040
commissioners do um

1155
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,560
approve to approve the hobby kennel

1156
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,240
license, I would like the structure to

1157
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,840
be a solid wall so little kids can't put

1158
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,520
their arms through the fence, extend 2

1159
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,280
ft below the ground so the dog can't dig

1160
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,040
through, and have a cantilevered um top

1161
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,080
so they can't escape over the top. Thank

1162
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:33,920
you.

1163
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,710
Any other citizen comment at this time?

1164
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,800
Yeah, Brian Easterday, resident. I live

1165
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,720
to the west of the grounds.

1166
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:44,320
Uh the conditional use has always

1167
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,000
confused me cuz what conditions are we

1168
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,040
supposed to put on there? And I have

1169
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,520
never seen any and and I would hope that

1170
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,440
there would be some that before this is

1171
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,720
granted or before the animals are put in

1172
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:55,489
that place

1173
00:42:55,489 --> 00:42:55,720
>> [clears throat]

1174
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:56,960
>> there would be a fence, there would be a

1175
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,680
check to make sure that fence is secure

1176
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,760
much like she just said. So, as far as

1177
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,320
that conditional use, I'd like to know

1178
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,160
what some of the conditions of that are

1179
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,040
if that's possible,

1180
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,440
uh some of the restrictions, and and

1181
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,720
then who's going to monitor that

1182
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,520
and and make sure I know

1183
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,080
that barking and things like that might

1184
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,200
be or may not be a part of so I'd just

1185
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,280
like to know more information

1186
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,080
clarification on that. What What really

1187
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,760
qualifies as conditional use in this

1188
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,670
case?

1189
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,430
Thank you.

1190
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:33,510
Any other citizen comment?

1191
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,360
Uh Cheryl Hermes.

1192
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,840
Excuse [clears throat] me. I live next

1193
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,880
door to the uh to the grounds.

1194
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,120
When um

1195
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,880
I measured from their house to the

1196
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,440
property line, it's 27 ft. That's pretty

1197
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,160
close. They have 10 big dogs. My concern

1198
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,960
is the barking, the disturbances.

1199
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:53,760
Um

1200
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,320
I wrote a letter to the commission. I I

1201
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,440
hope you all received it, you all

1202
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,680
reviewed it.

1203
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,920
Uh

1204
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,080
mitigating nuisance

1205
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,640
is threefold.

1206
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,400
Uh mitigating nuisance noise, which is

1207
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,600
barking, ensuring that the dog enclosure

1208
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,400
and the kennel are closed to prevent

1209
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,520
commercial kennel activities from

1210
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,920
occurring under a hobby dog conditional

1211
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,440
use permit in an R1 zone,

1212
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,360
and to provide safe

1213
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,560
safety and potentially dangerous animal

1214
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,440
safety from potentially dangerous

1215
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,570
animals.

1216
00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:24,800
>> [clears throat]

1217
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,040
>> Um

1218
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,680
We were counting animal code 6-4-13

1219
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,480
of

1220
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,400
Weber County Code

1221
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,400
uh deeming animals as nuisances if

1222
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,880
animals cause unreasonable barking,

1223
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,000
whining,

1224
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,200
howling,

1225
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,720
or disturbing noises. Ordinance number

1226
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,320
2024-01,

1227
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,640
the single largest dog's bark

1228
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,440
uh

1229
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,640
single large dog's bark averages 80 to

1230
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,160
100 decibels, which is equivalent to a

1231
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,520
car horn.

1232
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,720
Exceptional loud barks reach 113 to 116

1233
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,320
decibels. The hobby dog kennel permits

1234
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,800
applicants seeking potential multiplying

1235
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,560
that noise by 10 times in their

1236
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,480
respective zone area.

1237
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,600
So,

1238
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,560
I don't know what

1239
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,400
I guess we're proposing that

1240
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:11,960
um

1241
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,680
maybe kind of dish it to be that the

1242
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,560
dogs to be housed indoor at night time.

1243
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,160
Uh

1244
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,320
they won't be allowed to bark

1245
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,640
continuously more than 5 minutes or

1246
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,120
intermittently from 5 minutes to 60

1247
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,240
minutes.

1248
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,080
Outdoor kennels shall not be located

1249
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,360
closer than 50 ft from any side or rear

1250
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,640
property line. And if we were zoned in

1251
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,680
um agricultural,

1252
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,160
that neighbors would be 50 ft, not 27.

1253
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,560
And sound walls are solid fencing with

1254
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,000
blocks or muffles the noise from

1255
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,880
noises or used outdoors. The other

1256
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,360
thing that uh we're asking is that the

1257
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,760
conditions for the property owners

1258
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,240
agreeing not to engage in any activities

1259
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:55,440
that fall under commercial not kennel

1260
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,800
noises, including but not limited to

1261
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,440
receiving compensation for any services

1262
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,400
or products, boarding or training and

1263
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,760
also they don't allow

1264
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,000
disallowing temporary ownership of dogs

1265
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,440
other than

1266
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,720
um

1267
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,240
disallowing temporary ownership of dogs

1268
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:13,280
and other pets to circumvent the

1269
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,040
restriction of the public animal

1270
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,080
licenses.

1271
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,880
And I, too, am

1272
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,920
opposed to having a kennel license,

1273
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,030
opposed to having one.

1274
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,390
Thank you.

1275
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,360
Any other citizen comment at this time?

1276
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,390
Yes.

1277
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,360
Hi, my name is Grace Brown, or Grace

1278
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,400
Ritchey, as it used to be. Um

1279
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,280
I'm the one applying for this permit. I

1280
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,880
think there's a little bit of confusion

1281
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,760
about what this permit means. What this

1282
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,760
permit means is we're asking for five

1283
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,000
dogs instead of our legally allowed

1284
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,720
three. Regardless of if this permit gets

1285
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,840
passed or not, there will be three dogs

1286
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,440
on our property of a breed of our

1287
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,320
choice, as we're legally allowed.

1288
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,600
Um we do hear all of your concerns.

1289
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,720
Um PSA does not stand for protection

1290
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:05,440
services, it's actually a protection

1291
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,280
sport. Um what a hobby kennel does is it

1292
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,360
allows you to keep sporting dogs for

1293
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,720
your own not commercial

1294
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,560
personal use.

1295
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Um and that's what we do. We have five

1296
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,560
of those. We'd like to be able to keep

1297
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,880
all five of those on our property.

1298
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,880
So, that's why we're applying for this.

1299
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,120
These dogs also will be kept inside,

1300
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,200
they will not be kept outside. So, to

1301
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,960
your concerns of will they be able to

1302
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,520
dig out, will they be able to jump out,

1303
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,560
if they can dig out of concrete

1304
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,920
flooring, we have some mutants on our

1305
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:36,487
hands.

1306
00:47:36,487 --> 00:47:37,680
>> [snorts]

1307
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,880
>> But, I promise you they are kept safely

1308
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,920
inside. They are not kept in their

1309
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,720
kennel 24/7, but they are kept

1310
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:46,760
supervised 24/7. And if they are not

1311
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,520
supervised, they are in their kennels.

1312
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,440
Does that make sense?

1313
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,800
Um

1314
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,040
regarding the barking, that is very

1315
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,000
managed. You would not know we have dogs

1316
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,440
if you walked by our house. Our

1317
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,040
neighbors currently do not know we have

1318
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,960
dogs at our current house.

1319
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,000
Um so, that's pretty well managed.

1320
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,840
The backyard's fenced where they will be

1321
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,440
out and they will be supervised in that

1322
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,120
area if they are in the backyard. Um

1323
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,760
I think that's covers everything.

1324
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,950
Thank you. Thank you.

1325
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,070
Any other citizen comment?

1326
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,080
All right, I'll entertain a motion to

1327
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:30,230
close citizen comment.

1328
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,480
Make a motion to close citizen comment.

1329
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,360
Motion from Commissioner Widdison. I'll

1330
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,840
second. Second. Second from Commissioner

1331
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,520
Bates. All in favor? Aye.

1332
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,840
>> Aye.

1333
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,880
All right, so now we can move on to the

1334
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,400
conditional use permit for Grace

1335
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,360
Richards Brown and Grace [clears throat]

1336
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,440
Richards Brown and Nick Brown for a

1337
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,600
hobby kennel located license located at

1338
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,640
6559

1339
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,560
West 4600 South. And we'll

1340
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,390
give you the time here for some

1341
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,440
uh discussion with the commission. I I

1342
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,840
guess I'll I'll begin that with just we

1343
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,680
have

1344
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,360
heard your from your emails and the

1345
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,760
concerns you expressed here and we feel

1346
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,360
like the applicant is being

1347
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,200
in good faith coming before us trying to

1348
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,840
do these things the right way. And so,

1349
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,120
what we do want to kind of discuss

1350
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,560
kind of some of those conditions where

1351
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,400
we feel like this would fit and kind of

1352
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,040
can be a win-win for everybody involved

1353
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,800
here. So,

1354
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,880
um

1355
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,640
any questions or anything? I guess

1356
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,560
first

1357
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,800
Malcolm

1358
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,400
maybe turn some time over to staff to

1359
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,520
kind of show the they did submit um if

1360
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,200
you want to go through the

1361
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,800
we asked for a site plan so they can see

1362
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,000
kind of where

1363
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:52,760
they

1364
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,160
Yeah, we have a site plan that's been

1365
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,640
submitted along with an application. Um

1366
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,760
I think you guys have done a good job

1367
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,120
explaining that they're seeking a

1368
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,640
conditional use permit in an R1 zone. Um

1369
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,600
This is the process that we follow. Part

1370
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,200
of our application requirement is a site

1371
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,720
plan. So, this site plan here just calls

1372
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,360
out the fencing, gives an idea of

1373
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,320
you know, where the gates are and the

1374
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,440
overall layout of the lot. So,

1375
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,440
if you have any questions

1376
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,800
that relates to ordinances, let us know

1377
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,440
and I'll try and help, but

1378
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,150
this is what we've been provided with.

1379
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,280
Thank you. Can you Can you scroll

1380
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,280
through the other picture of the

1381
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,520
building?

1382
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,080
The next thing they sent in was the back

1383
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:29,960
end.

1384
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,950
Sure.

1385
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,320
And then the one showing the kennel

1386
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,070
itself and

1387
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,440
All right.

1388
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,430
thanks.

1389
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,640
So, that's a picture of the kennel with

1390
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,680
a roof, right? And then the

1391
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,360
chain link fence.

1392
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,640
And then the

1393
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,280
indoor dog kennel where the

1394
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,280
transport Okay.

1395
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,920
Was that all open on there?

1396
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,640
They didn't specify if someone is

1397
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,640
staying there.

1398
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,720
No.

1399
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:14,590
The lobby house, that's right.

1400
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,400
Any other points of discussion that the

1401
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,600
commission wants to make?

1402
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,870
Ms. Brown, can you come back up? Please.

1403
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,240
Um

1404
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,680
in your the original Thank you for

1405
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,960
coming back, by the way. Yeah, I'm so

1406
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:30,680
sorry.

1407
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,160
And thank you for providing the

1408
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,360
documents we asked for. So,

1409
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,280
um

1410
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,680
in your original application

1411
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:38,600
um

1412
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,680
you were talking about noise and

1413
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,880
barking, and you listed down that you're

1414
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,400
going to use bark collars, correct?

1415
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,480
For the dogs who tend to whine

1416
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,760
or bark at dinner time, it's easier to

1417
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,800
have bark collars on them than to manage

1418
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,680
them. Okay.

1419
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,150
Um

1420
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,840
Another question that I've got is when

1421
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,640
you look at the site plan, you've got

1422
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,040
6-ft fence all around the property.

1423
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,600
There's two gates that lead to the

1424
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,240
front.

1425
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:10,240
>> Correct. How How do you plan to secure

1426
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,240
those two? For For honestly, for other

1427
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:15,360
people's safety and for your dogs so

1428
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,040
that they can't get Yeah. So, those

1429
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,440
gates are also 6-ft, same height as the

1430
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,640
fence.

1431
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,920
Um we just have like bicycle chain locks

1432
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,960
that wrap around so you can't get

1433
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,880
through it. So, they are locked? Yeah. I

1434
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,840
don't know if they're locked right now

1435
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,320
cuz we've been having some people coming

1436
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,080
in and out to paint and do some drywall

1437
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:32,960
stuff.

1438
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,040
So,

1439
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,200
I don't know if they're currently

1440
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,480
locked, but they will be when we move

1441
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,240
onto the property.

1442
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:43,470
Okay.

1443
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,040
You also

1444
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,000
last month talked about

1445
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,880
taking care of odors and smells. Can you

1446
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,080
expand on that a little more? Yeah. So,

1447
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,120
if you look um next to the pasture,

1448
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,560
there's that

1449
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,480
nice rectangle that's gray, dark gray.

1450
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,520
Um that's the portable potty run. So,

1451
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,760
what we do is if we can't attend to the

1452
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,080
dogs going to the bathroom, meaning be

1453
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,400
right there with them, we put them in

1454
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,960
that portable potty run. Some are a

1455
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,360
little shy going to the bathroom, so we

1456
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,840
give them their own little space. Okay.

1457
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,840
How do you rest meaning [clears throat]

1458
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,400
it's it's fenced like a kennel? Yes.

1459
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,680
sir. Um so, once they

1460
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,240
um go to the bathroom in there, we scoop

1461
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:26,560
it out, put that in a little receptacle

1462
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,560
um that we have for the dog poop.

1463
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,840
And we spray it out and move it around

1464
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,680
to make sure it's not like one area is

1465
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,640
getting too stinky. And by moving it

1466
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,600
around, I mean move it 10 ft over, move

1467
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,600
it 10 ft over, give the grass a little

1468
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,360
bit time to grow back, too. Make sure

1469
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:49,190
everything's sanitary.

1470
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,400
Any other Any other questions for this

1471
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,520
property?

1472
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:53,600
Yeah, I guess

1473
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,000
on this property case you mentioned

1474
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,360
regular. So, obviously if they're using

1475
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,480
the the kennel to do their business, otherwise they're

1476
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,760
out and they might and go anywhere,

1477
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,720
right? So, you you mentioned regular

1478
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,280
cleanings. That mean

1479
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,400
every day, every week, or what?

1480
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,480
>> around behind my dog with a dog poop Oh,

1481
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:10,802
that makes

1482
00:54:10,802 --> 00:54:11,720
>> [laughter]

1483
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:12,720
>> sense.

1484
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:13,560
Yes.

1485
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:20,110
Okay, I'll just leave it at that.

1486
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,200
I guess one one more thing too is I

1487
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,240
guess I mean the code mentions pretty

1488
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:25,480
clearly this is a hobby kennel, not a

1489
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,720
commercial kennel. So, we have an

1490
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,280
agreement you should not be doing

1491
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,160
anything as far as commercial wise in

1492
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,680
this property. So, I want to make that

1493
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,680
clear for you.

1494
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:39,990
Thank you.

1495
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,160
Any other questions? Thank you. Thank

1496
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,270
you, guys.

1497
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,040
Bring back to commission for

1498
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:58,110
further discussion or a motion.

1499
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,000
Um

1500
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,200
I I know we've had a lot of citizens who

1501
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,800
reached out and I want to tell everybody

1502
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,640
thank you for that. That's some really

1503
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,320
good conversations the last week or two

1504
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:09,560
over this.

1505
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:10,280
Um

1506
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,280
and we've had a lot of discussion in our

1507
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,520
work meeting about this as well.

1508
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:15,960
Um

1509
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:16,880
we want to make sure that we're

1510
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,480
protecting everybody's property rights.

1511
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,480
So, at this time

1512
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,200
um I would like to make a motion

1513
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,880
that we approve the conditional use

1514
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,760
permit for um

1515
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,680
Nick and uh Grace Brown

1516
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:32,720
uh

1517
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:36,480
for the hobby kennel at 6559 West

1518
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,280
Excuse me, 4600 South at Hooper Um with

1519
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,110
the following conditions.

1520
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,280
Ms. Brown already alluded to bark

1521
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,840
collars, so we would like that

1522
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,120
in there as a condition.

1523
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,560
The gates to the property, as she

1524
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,800
discussed, are secured currently with

1525
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,120
bike locks. We would like those to

1526
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,840
remain secured at all times.

1527
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,240
We talked through the cleanliness issue,

1528
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:04,720
making sure that there is regular

1529
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:05,880
cleaning

1530
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,080
with the animals.

1531
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,840
We also discussed that this is also

1532
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,960
covered in the other ordinance about no

1533
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,000
commercial use.

1534
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,560
Any other and last condition that we

1535
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,360
would like to

1536
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,480
implement with this is around any

1537
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,440
nuisance complaints

1538
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,400
that if there are nuisance complaints

1539
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,120
that are verifiable through Weber

1540
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,280
County, whether it be animal control or

1541
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,200
the Sheriff's Department, that we pull

1542
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,280
this back before the Planning Commission

1543
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,110
to review this item.

1544
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,910
For review. For review. Thank you.

1545
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,120
I do have an additional one. This was in

1546
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,560
the application,

1547
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,360
so I would advise the Planning

1548
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,080
Commission to

1549
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,280
require 6-ft tall fence.

1550
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,280
Excellent. Okay, thank you. I'd like

1551
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,160
to add that to the motion. Was that That

1552
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,280
was in the application. I just want to

1553
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,040
verify that these were I don't know if

1554
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,360
it was in the application.

1555
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,240
When we measured parts of the fence,

1556
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:06,480
they measured 6-ft.

1557
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,720
I don't know if 100% of it, with grading

1558
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,840
and everything, measured 6-ft. It's

1559
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,680
pretty close.

1560
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,320
But I don't know if it was in the actual

1561
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,760
application. Okay. I'm sorry. I thought

1562
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,360
that was in the application, so that

1563
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,120
might be You guys might That might add

1564
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,440
discussion.

1565
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:38,070
I'm sorry.

1566
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,190
» Would that be a reasonable request?

1567
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,440
I think so.

1568
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,760
Then I'd like to add that to the motion

1569
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,000
as well. That

1570
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,720
all fencing surrounding where the

1571
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,920
animals will be kept is um at a 6-ft

1572
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:06,790
height in all places.

1573
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,680
We have a motion from Commissioner Bates

1574
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,480
for approval. You don't have to restate

1575
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,155
everything that you said. We just need

1576
00:58:13,155 --> 00:58:18,710
[laughter] a second.

1577
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,120
Before we do that, can I just ask one

1578
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,480
more question of the applicant?

1579
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,360
The the bark collars, that's a voluntary

1580
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,480
condition.

1581
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,360
You're okay with that condition? Yep.

1582
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:38,830
Okay. Thank you.

1583
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,040
I'll second the

1584
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,640
motion.

1585
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,240
We have a motion from Commissioner

1586
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,640
Bates, second from Commissioner

1587
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,760
Watterson. All in favor for the

1588
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,600
approval?

1589
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,520
I. I. I.

1590
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:55,350
Okay. Motion passes.

1591
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,720
All right, since we moved our sense of

1592
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:57,960
community to the beginning of the

1593
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,480
meeting, that is

1594
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,080
Now we'll allow her to make a motion for

1595
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,360
adjournment.

1596
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,040
I make a motion to adjourn.

1597
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,480
Motion from Commissioner Watterson to

1598
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,280
adjourn. Second. Second from

1599
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,920
Commissioner Bates. All in favor? I. I.