[0:13] I'd like to call our work meeting to
[0:14] order for the Upper City
[0:16] Planning Commission and
[0:18] meeting of May 14th, 2026.
[0:22] So, first couple items, could I get a
[0:25] volunteer for
[0:27] the pledge also to pray? I'll do it.
[0:35] And then as just for you guys know,
[0:37] those two conditional use permits, they
[0:39] fall under the new ordinance and they
[0:42] both elected to withdraw and just go
[0:44] through that
[0:46] allowed use process. So,
[0:49] it's functioning as
[0:51] designed.
[0:53] So, we won't do anything with that.
[0:56] And then
[0:59] I read through the minutes. I did not
[1:00] see anything that needed to be
[1:03] discussed. Anybody else? They looked
[1:05] fine to me.
[1:12] And then any questions about the hobby
[1:16] kennel as you looked over the new
[1:19] application with the site plan and the
[1:22] additionals of where the kennels are
[1:24] going to be placed?
[1:35] I listened to the City Council and they
[1:37] did reference the
[1:39] state code of 18
[1:42] 2101-1
[1:44] of saying you can't discriminate based
[1:46] off of
[1:48] breed of dog. So, I
[1:51] the condition, I know that was a concern
[1:54] of a lot of the people that we had. So,
[1:57] we can just maybe communicate that
[2:00] to them as they
[2:02] so they know what basis why why we're making that
[2:06] decision and considering that if we
[2:11] So so with conditional use permits, can
[2:13] you if something were crazy to happen,
[2:15] can you revoke the conditional use
[2:17] permit whenever you want?
[2:19] Um it would have to be a condition. So I
[2:21] was kind of looking at that.
[2:24] You'd have to put that as a condition
[2:25] and say
[2:27] they get out all the time or something
[2:29] if
[2:30] I don't know three
[2:32] verified call-ins for noise for
[2:35] regarding the dogs happen
[2:37] then that's it can be brought back to
[2:40] the planning commission to review the
[2:42] conditional use to add
[2:44] additional additional conditions.
[2:48] So that could potentially be a
[2:50] Yeah.
[2:52] So the
[2:53] main concerns from the meeting last time
[2:56] were noise, odor and waste,
[3:00] dogs escaping and safety,
[3:03] potential breeding, and then the lack of
[3:06] site plan,
[3:08] which they provided in this one. Yeah.
[3:11] And then
[3:12] there was concern about the breed, but
[3:14] that one's kind of null to me because
[3:16] the the code or whatever.
[3:19] Um
[3:20] But yeah, sorry, I want to answer your
[3:21] question. You can revoke. Okay.
[3:24] But you have to But that's one of our
[3:25] conditions up front. We need to set the
[3:27] commission the conditions now. Yeah, so
[3:29] if they're not following the conditions,
[3:31] it can be revoked.
[3:33] So I have a question as far as since we
[3:34] can't [clears throat] discriminate
[3:35] against the breed, is that something we
[3:36] want to take off that application?
[3:39] So it's not even a
[3:40] question in the
[3:41] Yeah, it's on that application.
[3:44] Mhm.
[3:45] Yeah, probably be good practice. I don't
[3:47] know why it would be relevant.
[3:50] But, know. What Darren, any comment on
[3:51] that?
[3:53] No, we I mean just
[3:55] Yeah, we just can't discriminate when it
[3:57] comes to granting a I guess it can be on
[3:59] the
[4:00] But, does it say it on the application
[4:01] specifically ask for breed? Yeah, it
[4:03] says how many dogs and types of dogs
[4:05] that will be housed on the property.
[4:08] Yeah.
[4:11] Remind me, does anyone What When does it
[4:13] turn into a non-hobby? Is it at the
[4:15] amount of dogs or if they have a
[4:16] business license that acts as a
[4:17] business? Amount of dogs. Amount. Amount
[4:20] of dogs and then also with hobby you
[4:21] can't you can't you can't be breeding
[4:24] stuff like that, right? So, kind of
[4:25] both, but
[4:26] There was a
[4:28] email that was sent in that
[4:29] >> [clears throat]
[4:30] >> discussed
[4:32] the potential of the potential of
[4:33] business type activities.
[4:38] Also, during the
[4:39] city council work meeting
[4:42] um David
[4:44] brought up a I thought brought up a fair
[4:46] point to be discussed here is
[4:49] where do you like we allow farmers to
[4:51] have hobby calves and we don't
[4:55] doesn't kick over into the
[4:57] commercialized Yeah. So, where where are we drawing the line?
[5:01] >> wouldn't that fall under agriculture?
[5:03] It's only domestic animals.
[5:08] I think that goes into the
[5:09] reasonableness of the conditions.
[5:12] So,
[5:14] just the worry is that we put our city
[5:15] at
[5:17] we got some liability if they're
[5:18] unreasonable.
[5:20] And we have to take into account where
[5:21] we
[5:22] what kind of city we have and like
[5:25] how far away they are from the school
[5:27] and those kind of things.
[5:32] Yeah, so when it talks about that
[5:34] reasonable conditions
[5:36] I mean like having two fences or three
[5:39] fences like that's unreasonable in my
[5:41] mind, right?
[5:43] As far as not letting escape.
[5:46] I would I would worry about that being
[5:48] unreasonable. Well, if I allow
[5:50] Right now, the fence is 6 ft. What if
[5:52] it's has to be 8?
[5:55] I think that would be reasonable
[5:58] or unreasonable? I think it would be
[5:59] unreasonable. Because they already have
[6:01] a fence? Well, cuz 6 ft, that would be
[6:03] pretty
[6:04] That's like a typical standard.
[6:05] >> That's a typical standard.
[6:08] Also, are you discriminating based on
[6:09] the breed of the dog? If someone wanted
[6:11] 12 Yeah. French bulldogs, are you going
[6:13] to make them jump to an 8-ft fence
[6:15] because of the red line?
[6:16] Or is it because of the discrimination
[6:17] because of the breed, which we're not
[6:19] allowed to do? I think we would be
[6:20] tipping into that area of unreasonable.
[6:22] I mean, it's arguable.
[6:25] But I just didn't say anything.
[6:28] Potentially.
[6:29] >> Yeah. In my mind, I think conditions you
[6:30] place are
[6:32] Yeah, if you like if they get out
[6:33] repeatedly, if they're the noise or the
[6:35] stench and
[6:37] stuff like that. But also, if they if
[6:38] there is evidence of it this is now
[6:40] business, they're breeding, they're
[6:41] boarding.
[6:43] Stuff like that. Those are kind of my
[6:44] mind.
[6:45] The conditions you place on them. They
[6:47] talked about
[6:48] the first time how they're going to put
[6:51] them outside every once in a while. Mhm.
[6:53] So, is it unreasonable to say they have
[6:55] to be leashed from the house to the
[6:58] kennel?
[7:01] I feel like if their backyard was
[7:03] fenced, I feel like that would be an
[7:05] unreasonable ask. Okay. All right. That
[7:08] That's just So, what I was thinking cuz
[7:11] I was thinking a lot about this. I
[7:14] And how close is the
[7:16] >> How close is the I mean, I'm maybe a
[7:18] little too much is what I'm saying.
[7:21] How close is the next building? Is the
[7:23] next residence? It's an acre lot, and so
[7:25] there's a They They have neighbors next
[7:28] door. But how far are we from We're
[7:29] probably 50 ft tops. 50 ft? Yeah,
[7:32] they're 100 It looks like they're 100-ft
[7:33] frontages down there at Well, on the
[7:35] farm If you look at the house to the
[7:37] west,
[7:39] they're not that far apart.
[7:43] I think those lots are a little deeper
[7:45] >> [snorts]
[7:45] >> and a little less wide. Were they Did
[7:48] they come in with concerns, the
[7:49] neighbors?
[7:50] Yes.
[7:51] >> the neighbors concerned Well, one of the
[7:52] neighbors is scared of dogs and she
[7:56] made sure that everybody knew she didn't
[7:58] want her calves or baby calves near her.
[8:00] >> Yeah, I heard.
[8:02] Well, the the other lady that emailed
[8:04] me, I talked to her on the phone.
[8:06] She lives right next door.
[8:09] Her mom
[8:10] >> does.
[8:11] And her house is like two or three down.
[8:14] They're on 46, right? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty
[8:17] far west, 60
[8:18] >> 65 59
[8:20] So, they're
[8:22] 60
[8:25] 65 59
[8:28] So, that They're right there. Yeah,
[8:29] they're right there.
[8:32] So, they're they're one acre lots.
[8:34] They're lots. But, they're deep, they're
[8:35] deep and wide. Okay. It's actually 1.7,
[8:38] but they're deep and they're wide. So,
[8:40] they're all wide. I got
[8:41] So,
[8:42] concerned about noise, I think would be
[8:45] That's it. But, I do like on their site
[8:47] plan it shows that they didn't put it,
[8:48] you know, on the fence next to the
[8:49] neighbor's house. They put it more in
[8:50] the middle. Yeah. On the back. Okay. And
[8:54] also, don't they have to get it approved
[8:56] through the neighbor county? At the 65
[8:59] 59 So, we could do that as a condition
[9:01] that
[9:03] as long as it's approved through them,
[9:04] too. So, they Well, so So, They're the
[9:07] yard's fenced in the back pasture.
[9:09] >> to find that. I didn't find it anywhere
[9:11] where they I couldn't find it.
[9:12] >> Well, I I just
[9:14] I typed in Hooper Animal Control.
[9:15] >> So, they said that the back pasture
[9:17] animal control and under their hobby
[9:19] kennel it's like be inspected annually,
[9:21] but nobody at Weber County knows
[9:23] anything about that. So, there's
[9:24] nothing's going to happen through the
[9:25] county.
[9:27] And being a commission They what? They
[9:29] just had a nasty turnover. I know that's
[9:31] weird. I know. I know.
[9:35] What were you saying, Chase?
[9:37] The animal shelter had a pretty large
[9:40] turnover
[9:42] listening to one of the debates.
[9:44] Oh, really? Yeah.
[9:52] Anyways, so I noise obviously these dogs
[9:58] can be loud, but I feel like bark
[10:00] collars are sufficient.
[10:03] Well, that was what they were going to
[10:04] do bark collars. They said they were
[10:06] going to do bark collars on them. So, I
[10:08] felt like that mitigated that one
[10:11] noise. They volunteered to do that?
[10:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And as a condition. I
[10:17] think they already are doing it anyway.
[10:18] Yeah, they in their application. And when they we
[10:21] asked them questions, they like, oh,
[10:23] they have bark bark bark collars and
[10:24] they have
[10:26] So, then that would probably be a
[10:27] condition that we they're going to
[10:29] volunteer that. Yeah. Yeah, there is a
[10:30] line on the application that says how
[10:32] will noise / barking be kept under
[10:34] control when they say bark collars and
[10:36] training. Yeah, we'll have to put it on
[10:38] the record that that is the condition.
[10:42] The odor and waste they proposed a plan
[10:44] to sanitize Every day, wasn't it? They
[10:47] were going to spray
[10:48] >> Yeah.
[10:49] >> every day with some
[10:51] I can't remember if it how frequently
[10:53] they stated, but it was I know that
[10:57] the permit for a hobby kennel says 4 to
[10:59] 10, but can we mitigate what 4 to 10
[11:02] means? Can we say five?
[11:04] Or Is that just open? The code is 10 is
[11:08] 4 to 10.
[11:08] >> 10. So.
[11:10] they can have up to 10. They can
[11:12] have up to 10. Yeah, how will noise It
[11:14] says right here, bark collars and
[11:15] training. Potty area will be regularly
[11:17] cleaned and sprayed down with cleaner.
[11:19] So, do we Yeah, so you probably want to
[11:20] define regularly
[11:22] in the in the record.
[11:24] Now, she says five German Shepherds and
[11:27] Malinois.
[11:30] So, one that I've seen with these types
[11:32] of things is a curfew.
[11:35] The dogs are in by 10, which is normal
[11:38] curfew hours.
[11:40] But,
[11:40] it seems like they're taking care of the
[11:43] they're volunteering to do the dog the
[11:44] bark collar, then that's Yes, I I mean,
[11:46] I give them credit for applying. And the
[11:49] fact that you can legally have three
[11:50] now. So, like when we're talking noise,
[11:52] what's the difference between three and
[11:53] five? I mean, three and 10 obviously a
[11:55] big difference, but
[11:58] the fact that they're applying tells me
[12:00] that they're serious about what they do, for a website, what they
[12:03] train. My concern is, okay, is this a
[12:06] raw is this going to
[12:09] And you can't hold somebody accountable
[12:10] for something that may happen in the
[12:12] future, but is this going to be a
[12:13] revolving door of dogs? Are we going to
[12:15] have five here at a time, but
[12:17] do we necessarily own these dogs? Are
[12:18] these dogs we're working with and we're
[12:20] just going to keep rotating dogs
[12:21] through? They're all the training ones
[12:23] that are in training.
[12:24] >> Yeah.
[12:26] So, how do you differentiate that
[12:27] between the horse trainer that rotates
[12:29] through?
[12:30] Six horses at his property and they're
[12:32] not all his, but he's training them to
[12:34] rope cuz that happens Oh, yeah, all the
[12:36] time.
[12:38] Yeah, I don't think they if it's a
[12:39] requirement
[12:41] What's that?
[12:41] >> need to be owned by the owner. As long
[12:43] as they're not doing it as a business,
[12:45] cuz a hobby kennel can't be run running
[12:47] it like a training business out of the
[12:48] home. Correct.
[12:53] I mean, we could we could require
[12:54] they're licensed to correct.
[12:56] So, they're not getting any sort of
[12:58] business license with this. No, they
[12:59] didn't.
[13:00] Quote unquote, I think that they said
[13:02] that they were personal dogs.
[13:04] >> Yeah, for that they use for sport.
[13:06] They're sport dogs. Yeah.
[13:09] You see it?
[13:12] Sammy and Katie.
[13:14] He's too fast and furious.
[13:18] So, he can't have a hobby
[13:20] >> [laughter]
[13:21] >> Okay.
[13:23] Four to 10. Got him. Four to 10 of them
[13:24] are not in training for what was the
[13:26] breeding and training and
[13:28] Personal enjoyment. Okay.
[13:30] Then there it is.
[13:31] Can't be for business.
[13:33] So, that would I think mitigate that a
[13:34] little bit cuz if you're doing a
[13:36] training, it's probably for business.
[13:38] Well, and that's the I I think down the
[13:39] road if they ever violated then you can
[13:41] revoke the conditional use permit.
[13:43] >> Well, if they're doing business without
[13:44] a license, we can charge criminal and all sorts of civil. What if
[13:49] they have a business license and then
[13:51] does that disqualify them for the
[13:53] conditional use of the farming and hobby
[13:54] farm? I don't know if they need to have
[13:56] different. They would have to be
[13:57] differentiated.
[13:58] So, the business would be for
[14:02] So, they would have to apply for a
[14:03] commercial kennel. Yeah. Which is still
[14:06] an R1 allowed
[14:07] >> well, that's one of the one of the
[14:09] residents that reached out to us, that
[14:12] was her concern is she was talking to them after the
[14:15] meeting and they're looking at the
[14:17] ground behind them that's like 3 acres
[14:19] and that would
[14:21] make it so they can apply for a
[14:22] commercial license.
[14:25] Can you scroll up a little bit,
[14:27] so we can see the commercial
[14:38] So, commercial has to be
[14:39] >> So, if located 3 acres, so it's located
[14:42] in residential.
[14:44] So, it sounds like their goal is to
[14:45] maybe get to a commercial if they end up
[14:47] buying that land. Which our code Yeah.
[14:49] allows it our code allows it in some
[14:50] Yeah.
[14:52] But until then So, do
[14:54] putting something do we need to put
[14:56] something in the motion as the business license as
[15:03] commercial activity as a condition or is
[15:05] that already spelled out in the charter
[15:07] there? Okay.
[15:09] We just got to make sure that
[15:12] the Coys don't sell them any more
[15:14] ground.
[15:17] So, that's where they get their fence
[15:18] >> Can we can we ask
[15:21] Yeah. So, it where that property's fully
[15:23] fenced and and gated like,
[15:25] you know, and I know we don't
[15:26] discriminate against breeds, but there
[15:27] is a difference between these dogs.
[15:29] They're They're for what they're
[15:30] sporting. Yeah. Can Can we ask that the
[15:33] gates be locked?
[15:35] The The gates leading from the yard to
[15:38] the front yard.
[15:39] Cuz I I can't imagine a little kid wanting to
[15:42] pet the doggies
[15:44] and going through one of those gates.
[15:47] Wait.
[15:48] I think Is that a reasonable I think
[15:49] that's reasonable.
[15:50] >> It's not because you could be You could
[15:51] have that same worry for any dog.
[15:53] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[15:54] Don't they have Yeah, do we We require
[15:56] that for a swimming pool, don't we?
[15:59] Yeah, they have those self-locking
[16:00] gates, or at least, you know, the ones
[16:01] that latch
[16:02] >> latch or yourself latching gate on
[16:04] swimming pools.
[16:06] They don't open by accident. They can't
[16:09] They don't necessarily have to be
[16:09] locked, so. But we don't need to specify
[16:11] on the record that it's because of the
[16:13] type of dog.
[16:13] >> No, we just we just want the gates
[16:15] locked if we're going to have that many
[16:17] animals on the property.
[16:18] >> Dude, well, and and
[16:20] with the
[16:21] caveat that
[16:23] we just don't want
[16:25] kids or somebody else trying to come
[16:27] into your yard. We're trying to protect
[16:29] you
[16:30] as well as everybody else.
[16:32] Yeah.
[16:42] I don't know if I'm the only one that's
[16:43] lost sleep over this one. This is
[16:45] different.
[16:46] Yeah.
[16:49] I'm not sure. They're with the
[16:51] drug and alcohol treatment center.
[16:59] So, I think all of those Those are the
[17:02] main concerns.
[17:04] So, I don't see how any of those aren't
[17:09] mitigated with a motion that includes
[17:11] [clears throat] what either they already
[17:13] offered to do with the bark bark
[17:14] collars, and then the
[17:17] just needed to define what they view as
[17:19] regularly on the odor and waste. But we
[17:21] can reiterate that in our motion for
[17:24] collars. Yeah.
[17:25] The cleanliness. Lock gates. Lock gates.
[17:28] And I think the lock gates kind of dogs
[17:31] escaping safety issue, that's a
[17:33] condition I think that's reasonable
[17:35] there. And then
[17:38] I think mentioning to them that
[17:40] commercial activity would fall under a
[17:41] different use, so they're aware of that.
[17:44] Yep.
[17:45] And just have a code slate and then
[17:46] other than that the site plan to me
[17:48] looked
[17:50] if they follow that, I think it's
[17:52] Is that Is that an in-ground pool? It
[17:55] is, isn't it? Yeah.
[17:57] I believe so.
[17:58] That's interesting. I looked it up on
[17:59] there.
[18:02] On the on the Google. On Google.
[18:06] I don't think this yet. That's pretty
[18:08] good.
[18:09] There it is. There it is. It's closed.
[18:13] Whoever does the motion
[18:15] can you just
[18:17] reiterate that they have voluntarily
[18:19] agreed to use bark collars. Yeah.
[18:22] Make it as a condition that you have
[18:25] voluntarily
[18:27] they volunteered to have that be a
[18:29] condition. Yeah.
[18:32] I don't want some someone from PETA
[18:34] coming to us and saying Oh, yeah.
[18:36] You guys are requiring requiring bark
[18:38] collars that kind That's true.
[18:41] If that's If that's [laughter] If that's
[18:42] the part of this PETA has a problem with
[18:45] that's
[18:47] Let them chain up. Enjoy the mosquitoes.
[18:52] Any other Does anybody else have any How
[18:55] do you want to define regular cleaning?
[19:01] I'd say with that many dogs doesn't need
[19:03] to be every day. I thought she made the
[19:06] comment that we're going to go out there
[19:08] and spray it every day, but I I they did
[19:10] because then somebody brought up, "Well,
[19:11] that's a lot of water.
[19:13] And she said no, one to two gallons.
[19:15] Yeah. And they've got a chemical that
[19:17] they use.
[19:18] She'll She'll biodegradeable chemical.
[19:20] And light her up and ask her again,
[19:22] right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we can
[19:25] Kind of let her self-define it almost
[19:26] and then if she doesn't, then we offer
[19:28] our
[19:29] stipulation. But if she'll define it as
[19:31] one every day, then that's an easy
[19:32] answer for us to say okay, every day it
[19:34] is.
[19:39] Do you want to put anything in there
[19:40] about X amount of complaints or
[19:44] Do we Do we need to Do we need to define
[19:47] that like the number of complaints?
[19:49] >> [clears throat]
[19:49] >> Nuisance complaints. We could You could
[19:51] say
[19:53] it's if three verified
[19:56] noise complaints with animal control
[19:58] would get made, then it they come back
[20:02] to the planning commission so we can add
[20:04] additional
[20:05] conditions.
[20:10] We could do
[20:12] I
[20:13] If they ever get out, I think that's
[20:15] like a
[20:17] that would be
[20:20] reason for them to come back in. I don't
[20:21] know. I Like do you want to put
[20:23] something around if they ever I think
[20:26] the barking is defined under nuisance,
[20:29] which I think there are a whole lot of
[20:31] things that fall under that, so Three
[20:33] nuisance complaints.
[20:35] But then we've also got to remember
[20:37] somebody doesn't like those dogs, they
[20:38] could just be calling.
[20:40] Nuisance complaints. You could do even a
[20:42] single I could have verified.
[20:44] It would have to be a verified
[20:45] complaint. True. Yeah, through law
[20:47] enforcement. Yeah.
[20:49] Through law enforcement or animal
[20:50] control, right? It probably go through
[20:52] our county ordinance. Law enforcement.
[20:55] >> [clears throat]
[20:55] >> Officer Allen is the one who fields
[20:58] those, investigates them, and then
[21:00] brings back the findings what he sees
[21:02] does. Is he the same one that is scared
[21:05] of dogs and so you have to go catch him
[21:07] for him and put him in the
[21:09] Not that I've had any experience with
[21:11] that, but Don't tell us how you really
[21:13] feel. I don't know.
[21:14] >> [laughter]
[21:15] >> Hobbling down the road chasing dogs.
[21:17] The gal would come out was 10 times the
[21:20] She was tough.
[21:21] but he was like
[21:26] You want me to go catch it?
[21:29] Anyway, we digress.
[21:33] So, we're going to throw it in there?
[21:34] Somebody say Well, three three nuisance
[21:36] complaints and
[21:38] verifiable verifiable verifiable through
[21:40] Weaver County
[21:42] Three nuisance complaints from separate
[21:44] neighbors? One neighbor? Just complaints
[21:46] today. If they're verifiable, it's a
[21:48] complaint.
[21:48] >> Okay.
[21:51] Yeah, it wouldn't be any good if they
[21:52] weren't
[21:52] >> there? Does that mean it has to be filed
[21:54] with Weaver County comes out and finds
[21:56] they were at fault with that? Yeah, I
[21:57] guess he's going to do something like
[21:59] that. So, it's not just like
[22:01] Which is the same as our ordinance for
[22:04] like We've had him come out for
[22:06] different
[22:07] homes that are
[22:09] bad, right? And he can't verify it. And
[22:13] they'll go out and then inspect and
[22:15] yeah, not a Do they give you guys city
[22:17] staff the report?
[22:20] They do give you the report. So, you
[22:22] would be able to tell, hey, this
[22:24] third time we've
[22:26] Okay. And if our three complaints like
[22:29] if three different neighbors complain
[22:31] about one night of barking, is that
[22:33] three events or three or one complaint?
[22:35] That'd be one. I think I'd say verified
[22:38] events events, yeah. That's what I
[22:40] think, too.
[22:42] That's what I'm just making sure I
[22:43] understand it. It shouldn't be a
[22:44] problem, but three
[22:46] separate
[22:47] >> separate instances
[22:48] >> [clears throat]
[22:49] >> or events that occurred. Okay.
[22:57] If you're going to contemplate that, do
[22:59] you want to also
[23:02] Yeah, and then
[23:02] maybe request for Dan, do you know one
[23:04] of the corners of What if it's a pretty
[23:05] severe complaint or
[23:08] issue? Like if someone got bit, for
[23:11] instance, something like that.
[23:14] You want to have to be able to address
[23:15] >> just have the condition be that if
[23:17] there's complaints
[23:19] and they're verified.
[23:21] Just any complaints
[23:22] verified to
[23:25] how this is being ran
[23:27] that it gets brought back to the
[23:29] planning commission to review.
[23:31] That seems fair. I like that. That's
[23:32] good wording. It's not like they're
[23:34] going to revoke it inherently, but it at
[23:36] least just let us eyes on it. Yeah.
[23:39] Or there could we could set a yearly
[23:40] review. That's another thing we could do
[23:42] as well.
[23:47] Is there a way to distinguish between a
[23:50] nuisance complaint versus
[23:52] something safety? Safety.
[23:57] I think we can
[23:58] I think complaints
[24:01] in regards to how this kennel is being
[24:04] ran,
[24:05] I think
[24:06] that would just give us the ability to
[24:08] bring them in for review either way.
[24:09] Right.
[24:11] How would you word
[24:13] Um it'll be
[24:15] one of the conditions is a yearly
[24:17] review.
[24:19] Of your operating not like your
[24:20] operation, but your permit. The condition of this
[24:24] permit.
[24:25] I mean, we make the
[24:27] people with the ADUs come in every year
[24:29] and verify that they're
[24:31] one of the primary
[24:35] Yeah, I I I think I think I think that's
[24:37] pretty reasonable to ask that that we
[24:38] want to review this yearly.
[24:40] So, next May.
[24:43] Well, and it could be very simple.
[24:45] >> [cough]
[24:46] [clears throat]
[24:46] >> It'd be very chopped. Next May, it's
[24:48] like, you know what? You guys have lived
[24:50] up to your end of the bargain.
[24:52] Appreciate it.
[24:53] >> Has there been any complaints already?
[24:56] No. Like nobody's sent in the house. I
[24:58] think they're in They're They're
[24:59] remodeling
[25:00] that house.
[25:01] Oh, they're They're remodeling that
[25:02] house.
[25:06] They're migrating from Salt Lake.
[25:13] I'm wondering if it would be better to
[25:14] have some sort of trigger with the
[25:16] annual review.
[25:18] Some sort of trigger.
[25:20] There would have to be a reason why we'd
[25:21] have them come in for a review
[25:23] instead of just an automatic. Yeah, I
[25:26] feel like that's kind of
[25:28] Yeah, I feel like get out of my
[25:29] business. Yeah.
[25:30] >> [laughter]
[25:31] >> Well, that's That's my thing. But if
[25:32] there's a complaint, like if I if I'm
[25:34] not running it right, my neighbors
[25:35] [clears throat] are going to complain.
[25:36] And then we And then we That's when the
[25:38] review happens. Yeah,
[25:39] that makes sense.
[25:43] Yeah, this This might be one of those
[25:45] things that it goes in and it just goes
[25:46] away quietly cuz everything's fine.
[25:50] Well, I think that's what we're hoping
[25:51] for.
[25:53] Seems like a verifiable complaint. Since
[25:55] we do pay the county to do that for us,
[25:57] it has a slight vetting process. I think
[25:59] it could protect on both sides if
[26:01] Allen says this is the same complaint
[26:03] we've received every time and nothing's
[26:05] changed. We've already seen it once.
[26:06] That probably wouldn't be verifiable,
[26:08] right? It'd be probably a burden already
[26:11] not happening if it's not really
[26:13] legitimate. And then
[26:14] if it's new, we'd be able to see it. So,
[26:16] the complaint would trigger it. It seems
[26:18] like that's enforceable
[26:20] and doable.
[26:21] Not too burdensome. Annually could be a
[26:23] little burdensome, especially if we get
[26:25] any more received in the next year.
[26:27] Yeah, we don't do the annual based on
[26:29] complaint.
[26:31] Verifiable complaint.
[26:34] And we don't want to go off the number
[26:36] of instances in case it's uh severe.
[26:39] Yeah. Yeah.
[26:40] I mean, that makes it a little
[26:42] half-hazard to do that.
[26:46] Yeah.
[26:47] Well, they've only bitten somebody
[26:48] twice. I get one more.
[26:49] >> I got one more.
[26:50] That's two free doggie jail free cards.
[26:54] Okay.
[26:58] All right. Do you actually have
[26:59] everything written down on the tackle
[27:00] list? No.
[27:03] Yeah, he has So, Oh, yeah.
[27:05] Our callers voluntarily.
[27:08] Gates locked.
[27:09] Uh
[27:10] nuisance verifiable nuisance complaints,
[27:12] it'll come back before Columnist.
[27:15] Planning commission. Did you need any
[27:17] more time for this or are we good? We
[27:20] can just invite her up to answer some of
[27:21] ours.
[27:22] Yeah, I don't have any any I don't I'll
[27:24] make sure you have the plan. You want to
[27:25] go over the site plan just so that
[27:27] everybody
[27:28] >> Depending on who's here, you
[27:30] flash [clears throat] that up to say no.
[27:31] >> Yeah, I'll make sure you have the plan.
[27:33] Right in the middle. [snorts] I'll just
[27:34] make sure they know that they're what
[27:35] they're applying for and but I don't
[27:37] have much to add, no.
[27:39] Just relax. Yeah, cuz this isn't a
[27:40] public hearing. No, but we we did
[27:43] request him last time to bring a site
[27:45] plan.
[27:46] >> [clears throat]
[27:47] >> Yeah,
[27:47] just saying that we we appreciate they
[27:49] put it in. Yeah.
[27:52] Yep.
[27:53] So, that was the only four conditions we
[27:55] had.
[27:59] Ask about the planning and get that in
[28:00] writing.
[28:02] Define regular, yeah.
[28:05] Okay.
[28:08] Sounds like you've got it handled. Good
[28:10] job.
[28:11] It always works out that way. Pays to be the last one here. Pays to be
[28:14] the first.
[28:16] I don't know what we're all celebrating.
[28:18] First time First time I beat you to the
[28:19] beer.
[28:20] >> [laughter]
[28:21] >> Had a hectic day, man.
[28:22] >> I thought really long and hard about
[28:24] staying in the place all night.
[28:26] But you did.
[28:28] Yeah.
[28:28] Um
[28:29] I don't know if this
[28:32] blurs [snorts] too much from what the
[28:33] agenda item is, but
[28:35] in council, did we discuss briefly and I
[28:38] can't remember what their determination
[28:39] was, but they wanted to review the
[28:41] overall ordinance for hobby kennels, is
[28:43] that right? At some point, the number
[28:45] of dogs.
[28:47] I don't know if that's something they
[28:48] can discuss further now or we need to
[28:51] notice it differently.
[28:53] That wouldn't apply to this at all cuz
[28:54] these guys would have applied first.
[28:56] Yeah.
[29:00] We'll get it on the next. We'll get it
[29:03] on the next agenda.
[29:05] They kind of review the ordinances as
[29:07] they relate to these.
[29:10] So with that, Travis, I don't know if
[29:12] you heard, but those two conditional use
[29:13] permits fall under the
[29:15] new ordinance and they
[29:18] don't have a hardship, so they're not
[29:19] going to there's
[29:20] Yeah, so they're off the I wondered
[29:22] about that. Yeah, yeah, they do. We
[29:25] thought it was and they have
[29:27] >> [clears throat and cough]
[29:27] >> noticing we thought it was just take it
[29:29] here, but it is it does feel a lot if
[29:31] even if we place conditions or anything
[29:33] occurred, they could just apply tomorrow
[29:35] and be principally permitted, so there
[29:37] was just no sense.
[29:38] Do you guys remember when I know there
[29:41] was a ton of conversation about sizing
[29:43] everything. Something they talked about
[29:44] at council meeting that I don't remember
[29:46] us ever discussing. We talked about the
[29:49] amount of parking, but did we ever talk
[29:51] about it being paved or concrete?
[29:53] >> I read I listened to the meeting
[29:55] yesterday and I thought
[29:57] Well, we did we did specify like
[30:00] parkable surface. Yeah. Yeah, not on
[30:02] grass. Not on grass, but Yeah, we didn't
[30:04] say it had to be concrete or asphalt.
[30:05] Well,
[30:06] that's that's that's how they have
[30:08] brought it up and they put they pulled
[30:09] that part out.
[30:11] So it still has to be a parkable
[30:12] surface, but Because we're going to get [clears throat] them
[30:15] for impervious service surface anyway,
[30:18] so
[30:19] I didn't Yeah, when I when I listened to
[30:22] that I was like we never said they
[30:23] pavement.
[30:25] Because half the driveways out here are
[30:27] unpaved.
[30:30] >> [laughter]
[30:37] >> A parkable surface.
[30:39] What's that?
[30:40] Yeah, how is that defined?
[30:42] According to one of my neighbors, you
[30:43] say we don't want it grass, but we want
[30:45] the discussion, but I'm assuming I agree
[30:47] with what they're saying. [laughter]
[30:47] They said something about we want
[30:48] surface
[30:49] park but we don't want it just to be
[30:50] grass.
[30:51] I took a liberty and said well, most
[30:54] codes want asphalt or concrete.
[31:02] For new development What does our code
[31:04] require for a new development? home
[31:07] residential I'd have to look. I actually
[31:09] know I'd actually don't know if it does
[31:10] require concrete. I thought I thought it
[31:12] should
[31:14] Not even a little apron, no?
[31:16] I'll look. I'm not sure. Good. You're
[31:17] covered.
[31:19] You're not. Maybe not.
[31:21] I think the ordinance doesn't actually
[31:22] call anything out.
[31:25] I mean they did
[31:25] >> We could the That's probably pretty sure
[31:27] the city's going to want to address as
[31:29] [clears throat] it gets more dense.
[31:30] Okay. Got to put that on your list of
[31:31] holes. list of things, holes, missing
[31:35] because
[31:36] All those will be grandfathered in, so
[31:38] all the homes now that are allowed to
[31:40] have dirt
[31:41] will be allowed
[31:43] to have dirt. Yeah. I can tell you if I
[31:45] could afford it, I'd have asphalt. It's
[31:47] true. I'm not going to go. You're you're farther than me. I'm 200 ft.
[31:51] You're about 350. 350 I would have got
[31:53] slag from Nucor and built my driveway
[31:55] out of slag.
[31:58] But we can
[31:59] If nobody has any other comments, we can
[32:01] close the meeting and
[32:04] adjourn until our Go play soccer. at
[32:06] 11:30. Go play soccer. Have fun.
[32:08] We'll We'll see you back here. We had
[32:11] Well, there was 12,000 sq. ft. We had
[32:13] about close to five. And then they're
[32:18] Gary, peace out.
[32:20] So, we received like five or six So,
[32:22] recently, not with the last one, but
[32:24] with this one.
[32:25] To be fair, I would say.
[32:28] Making sure the sprinklers and
[32:30] everything is
[32:35] » Making
[32:36] sure the sprinklers work and
[32:38] everything's safe.
[33:03] Welcome.
[33:04] I'd like to welcome you all to our
[33:07] May 14th, 2026 Planning Commission
[33:10] meeting. I am Commissioner McCormack and
[33:12] I'll be conducting the meeting.
[33:14] To begin our meeting, we'll have a
[33:16] Pledge of Allegiance led by Commissioner
[33:18] Weight and
[33:19] a prayer given by myself.
[33:24] Please stand and pledge allegiance with
[33:25] me.
[33:27] I pledge allegiance to the flag
[33:30] of the United States of America
[33:33] and to the republic for which it stands,
[33:36] one nation under God, indivisible, with
[33:40] liberty and justice for all.
[33:52] Our Father in heaven, we're very
[33:53] grateful for the opportunity we have to
[33:54] gather together here as residents of
[33:56] Hooper. We're grateful for the freedom
[33:58] that we enjoy.
[33:59] We're grateful for the soldiers who
[34:01] fight for us. We ask that you please
[34:02] bless them and their families that they
[34:04] may be comforted and protected by their
[34:06] way.
[34:07] We're grateful for
[34:10] the blessings that we have here and we
[34:12] ask that the spirit be with us to guide
[34:14] us in truth that we may
[34:17] discuss the needs of the city here and
[34:19] come to
[34:21] conclusions that will be acceptable to
[34:24] all. We're grateful for
[34:30] the knowledge that we have of thee and
[34:31] we say these things in the name of Jesus
[34:32] Christ. Amen. Amen.
[34:39] All right. First
[34:40] um are the consent items. We have the
[34:44] meetings from dated April 9th, 2026.
[34:49] Um did anybody have any corrections or
[34:51] I'll entertain a motion to approve those
[34:53] minutes.
[34:55] Uh I didn't see any uh
[34:57] waiting for any corrections, so I'll
[34:58] make a motion to approve the
[35:00] minutes dated April 9th, 2026.
[35:04] I'll second it. We have a motion from
[35:06] Commissioner White and a second from
[35:08] Commissioner Sebring. All in favor? Aye.
[35:12] Motion passes.
[35:14] Now on to I guess some agenda items on
[35:17] uh I guess some cleanup items on our
[35:19] agenda. Since the City Council last week
[35:22] passed the uh new kind of increased size
[35:27] on the condition the oversized
[35:30] structures, both of those are oversized
[35:32] structures that are on the
[35:35] agenda are no longer on the agenda as
[35:38] they will just pass under the new
[35:41] ordinance. So, those will not be
[35:42] discussed tonight or there will not be a
[35:45] public hearing on those. So, if you're
[35:47] here for those, just letting you know.
[35:50] And just to specify, though, they
[35:51] withdrew their applications. Oh, sorry.
[35:54] Yes. So, they withdrew their
[35:55] applications and are just going to go
[35:58] through the new ordinance
[36:00] process.
[36:02] And then
[36:04] we do have [clears throat] one item of business here for a hobby kennel for
[36:10] Grace Richards and Nick Brown. And kind
[36:12] of
[36:13] one one thing I wanted to say before we
[36:16] get into discussing this as a council as
[36:18] a planning commission, we are
[36:20] administrators of the ordinances that
[36:23] are already set in place, meaning we
[36:25] cannot change what is
[36:28] already written in city code in that
[36:30] instance, but we can
[36:33] apply conditions where those things can
[36:36] be met that don't
[36:38] do unreasonable ask on those residents
[36:42] applying for that as the use is written
[36:44] out in our in our code. So, we don't
[36:47] have
[36:49] the authority or the power to change any
[36:51] city ordinances per se or to deny things
[36:55] just that because
[36:56] we don't like things. Just so kind of to
[36:59] clarify what our role is here is when
[37:02] applicants come before us, we just have
[37:04] to look at what the city code is is
[37:06] written as and apply that code to the
[37:09] conditional the use that has been
[37:12] requested. So,
[37:14] kind of just clarify that
[37:16] um point right there. And then so, our
[37:20] now on to this item of business for the
[37:22] hobby kennel, Mr. Chairman.
[37:25] Sorry to interrupt, but I I do want to
[37:26] ask
[37:28] and see if we can make a motion cuz
[37:29] there's obviously a lot of citizens that
[37:31] have a lot of interest in this.
[37:33] I would like to ask if you guys think it
[37:35] would be appropriate to move citizen
[37:37] comment
[37:38] before this action item
[37:41] understanding of course that
[37:44] no action be taken based on their
[37:46] comments, but would that be appropriate
[37:48] to
[37:49] possibly move citizen comment to that
[37:53] people comment prior to moving on to
[37:55] action items?
[37:57] It It would be up to you guys to vote
[37:59] for it. Okay. Then, if you're okay with
[38:01] that, I would like to make a motion that
[38:02] we move agenda item five for citizen
[38:05] comment um allowing our
[38:08] citizens 3 minutes
[38:10] uh understanding we cannot take action
[38:12] on any items presented, but I'd like to
[38:15] move that up before
[38:18] um action item 4A.
[38:23] Okay, we have a motion from Commissioner
[38:24] Bates to move citizen comment
[38:27] to the first item.
[38:29] Do we have a second?
[38:33] I'll second it.
[38:34] Second from Commissioner Woodison. All
[38:35] in favor?
[38:36] Aye. Aye.
[38:38] All right, motion passes. Okay, so now
[38:40] we'll
[38:42] with that motion, we'll move citizen
[38:44] comment up. So, just on citizen comment,
[38:48] you'll have
[38:49] Please
[38:50] step forward to the microphone, state
[38:52] your name. You don't need to and if that
[38:54] you're a resident of Upper City, you
[38:55] don't need to give your address, and
[38:57] then you'll have 3 minutes.
[38:59] Um watch Morgan for your time to state
[39:02] your
[39:03] concern. And just so you know, like
[39:06] Commissioner Bates mentioned, we can't
[39:07] take actions on these comments, but um
[39:10] we can
[39:12] listen to your concerns.
[39:14] At this time, we'll open that up to
[39:17] citizen comment.
[39:20] Good evening. My name is Shay Wardleigh,
[39:22] and I
[39:22] am a Hooper resident.
[39:24] I um
[39:26] live back-to-back adjacent to uh the
[39:29] Browns, however, my mother is their next
[39:31] immediate next-door neighbor, and I
[39:33] spend a lot of time at my mother's house
[39:35] helping her. We have host family dinners
[39:38] where there are children present, and I
[39:41] have concerns about um the hobby kennel
[39:46] license that they've applied for.
[39:48] My understanding under a hobby kennel
[39:50] license is that it is not for commercial
[39:53] use, it's for private residence. In the
[39:56] April meeting, the Browns stated that
[39:58] their dogs are not pets, and that they
[40:00] are
[40:01] uh trained in what's called PSA, which
[40:04] is protection services. Um
[40:06] it's basically attack protocols. These
[40:09] dogs are specially trained to
[40:12] um
[40:13] protect their owners, and so I think
[40:16] that that's an inherent danger for the
[40:19] community and for uh their neighbors
[40:22] that increase in volume of this type of
[40:25] non-pet
[40:26] um in inherently increases the dangers.
[40:29] Furthermore, they've requested a hobby
[40:32] kennel license. However, they own a
[40:34] commercial business. They have a
[40:36] training business. And they
[40:40] my understanding is they don't meet the
[40:42] qualifications for a commercial license.
[40:46] And I don't think that they should be
[40:47] granted a hobby license just because
[40:49] they, you know, don't meet the the
[40:52] qualifications for a commercial license.
[40:54] Um their business includes services of
[40:57] training and boarding other people's
[41:00] aggressive dogs. So, again, that's an
[41:01] increase in quantity and so inherently
[41:05] an increase in potential dangers to
[41:07] their neighbors, the community,
[41:09] livestock, and so on.
[41:11] Um the In the April 9th meeting, they
[41:13] also stated uh again that their dogs are
[41:16] not pets, but they are canneled 100% of
[41:18] the time. They disclosed that their dog
[41:21] the dog breeds were Malinois, um
[41:23] which have a a little uh
[41:27] They're often called Maligators for and
[41:31] um German Shepherds. And these are very
[41:34] um high energy breed dogs. I'm concerned
[41:37] that if they, you know, one I want them
[41:39] to be canneled all the time, but that
[41:41] also leads to barrier frustration and
[41:44] Malinois in particular are known to be
[41:47] able to climb fences with ease. So, I'm
[41:50] asking the commissioners to deny the
[41:53] basic the uh hobby license based on the
[41:55] fact that they own a business and this
[41:57] is doesn't qualify for a hobby kennel,
[42:00] in
[42:00] uh is my understanding. And in spite of
[42:03] all of these considerations, if the
[42:05] commissioners do um
[42:07] approve to approve the hobby kennel
[42:10] license, I would like the structure to
[42:13] be a solid wall so little kids can't put
[42:15] their arms through the fence, extend 2
[42:18] ft below the ground so the dog can't dig
[42:21] through, and have a cantilevered um top
[42:25] so they can't escape over the top. Thank
[42:27] you.
[42:33] Any other citizen comment at this time?
[42:38] Yeah, Brian Easterday, resident. I live
[42:40] to the west of the grounds.
[42:42] Uh the conditional use has always
[42:44] confused me cuz what conditions are we
[42:46] supposed to put on there? And I have
[42:48] never seen any and and I would hope that
[42:50] there would be some that before this is
[42:52] granted or before the animals are put in
[42:54] that place
[42:55] >> [clears throat]
[42:55] >> there would be a fence, there would be a
[42:56] check to make sure that fence is secure
[42:58] much like she just said. So, as far as
[43:01] that conditional use, I'd like to know
[43:03] what some of the conditions of that are
[43:05] if that's possible,
[43:07] uh some of the restrictions, and and
[43:08] then who's going to monitor that
[43:10] and and make sure I know
[43:12] that barking and things like that might
[43:14] be or may not be a part of so I'd just
[43:16] like to know more information
[43:17] clarification on that. What What really
[43:19] qualifies as conditional use in this
[43:20] case?
[43:24] Thank you.
[43:27] Any other citizen comment?
[43:33] Uh Cheryl Hermes.
[43:35] Excuse [clears throat] me. I live next
[43:36] door to the uh to the grounds.
[43:39] When um
[43:41] I measured from their house to the
[43:42] property line, it's 27 ft. That's pretty
[43:46] close. They have 10 big dogs. My concern
[43:50] is the barking, the disturbances.
[43:52] Um
[43:53] I wrote a letter to the commission. I I
[43:56] hope you all received it, you all
[43:58] reviewed it.
[43:59] Uh
[44:00] mitigating nuisance
[44:03] is threefold.
[44:04] Uh mitigating nuisance noise, which is
[44:06] barking, ensuring that the dog enclosure
[44:08] and the kennel are closed to prevent
[44:10] commercial kennel activities from
[44:12] occurring under a hobby dog conditional
[44:14] use permit in an R1 zone,
[44:17] and to provide safe
[44:19] safety and potentially dangerous animal
[44:21] safety from potentially dangerous
[44:23] animals.
[44:24] >> [clears throat]
[44:24] >> Um
[44:26] We were counting animal code 6-4-13
[44:29] of
[44:30] Weber County Code
[44:32] uh deeming animals as nuisances if
[44:34] animals cause unreasonable barking,
[44:36] whining,
[44:38] howling,
[44:39] or disturbing noises. Ordinance number
[44:41] 2024-01,
[44:43] the single largest dog's bark
[44:45] uh
[44:46] single large dog's bark averages 80 to
[44:49] 100 decibels, which is equivalent to a
[44:52] car horn.
[44:53] Exceptional loud barks reach 113 to 116
[44:57] decibels. The hobby dog kennel permits
[45:00] applicants seeking potential multiplying
[45:02] that noise by 10 times in their
[45:04] respective zone area.
[45:06] So,
[45:07] I don't know what
[45:09] I guess we're proposing that
[45:11] um
[45:11] maybe kind of dish it to be that the
[45:13] dogs to be housed indoor at night time.
[45:16] Uh
[45:17] they won't be allowed to bark
[45:18] continuously more than 5 minutes or
[45:20] intermittently from 5 minutes to 60
[45:23] minutes.
[45:24] Outdoor kennels shall not be located
[45:26] closer than 50 ft from any side or rear
[45:28] property line. And if we were zoned in
[45:31] um agricultural,
[45:33] that neighbors would be 50 ft, not 27.
[45:37] And sound walls are solid fencing with
[45:39] blocks or muffles the noise from
[45:42] noises or used outdoors. The other
[45:44] thing that uh we're asking is that the
[45:48] conditions for the property owners
[45:50] agreeing not to engage in any activities
[45:53] that fall under commercial not kennel
[45:55] noises, including but not limited to
[45:57] receiving compensation for any services
[46:00] or products, boarding or training and
[46:02] also they don't allow
[46:03] disallowing temporary ownership of dogs
[46:06] other than
[46:07] um
[46:08] disallowing temporary ownership of dogs
[46:11] and other pets to circumvent the
[46:13] restriction of the public animal
[46:15] licenses.
[46:16] And I, too, am
[46:17] opposed to having a kennel license,
[46:19] opposed to having one.
[46:23] Thank you.
[46:26] Any other citizen comment at this time?
[46:29] Yes.
[46:34] Hi, my name is Grace Brown, or Grace
[46:36] Ritchey, as it used to be. Um
[46:38] I'm the one applying for this permit. I
[46:40] think there's a little bit of confusion
[46:41] about what this permit means. What this
[46:44] permit means is we're asking for five
[46:46] dogs instead of our legally allowed
[46:49] three. Regardless of if this permit gets
[46:51] passed or not, there will be three dogs
[46:53] on our property of a breed of our
[46:55] choice, as we're legally allowed.
[46:58] Um we do hear all of your concerns.
[47:01] Um PSA does not stand for protection
[47:03] services, it's actually a protection
[47:05] sport. Um what a hobby kennel does is it
[47:08] allows you to keep sporting dogs for
[47:10] your own not commercial
[47:12] personal use.
[47:14] Um and that's what we do. We have five
[47:16] of those. We'd like to be able to keep
[47:18] all five of those on our property.
[47:20] So, that's why we're applying for this.
[47:22] These dogs also will be kept inside,
[47:25] they will not be kept outside. So, to
[47:27] your concerns of will they be able to
[47:28] dig out, will they be able to jump out,
[47:31] if they can dig out of concrete
[47:33] flooring, we have some mutants on our
[47:35] hands.
[47:36] >> [snorts]
[47:37] >> But, I promise you they are kept safely
[47:39] inside. They are not kept in their
[47:41] kennel 24/7, but they are kept
[47:43] supervised 24/7. And if they are not
[47:46] supervised, they are in their kennels.
[47:48] Does that make sense?
[47:50] Um
[47:51] regarding the barking, that is very
[47:54] managed. You would not know we have dogs
[47:56] if you walked by our house. Our
[47:57] neighbors currently do not know we have
[47:59] dogs at our current house.
[48:00] Um so, that's pretty well managed.
[48:05] The backyard's fenced where they will be
[48:06] out and they will be supervised in that
[48:08] area if they are in the backyard. Um
[48:11] I think that's covers everything.
[48:13] Thank you. Thank you.
[48:17] Any other citizen comment?
[48:23] All right, I'll entertain a motion to
[48:25] close citizen comment.
[48:30] Make a motion to close citizen comment.
[48:32] Motion from Commissioner Widdison. I'll
[48:34] second. Second. Second from Commissioner
[48:36] Bates. All in favor? Aye.
[48:38] >> Aye.
[48:39] All right, so now we can move on to the
[48:43] conditional use permit for Grace
[48:45] Richards Brown and Grace [clears throat]
[48:47] Richards Brown and Nick Brown for a
[48:49] hobby kennel located license located at
[48:51] 6559
[48:53] West 4600 South. And we'll
[48:56] give you the time here for some
[49:00] uh discussion with the commission. I I
[49:02] guess I'll I'll begin that with just we
[49:04] have
[49:06] heard your from your emails and the
[49:10] concerns you expressed here and we feel
[49:13] like the applicant is being
[49:16] in good faith coming before us trying to
[49:18] do these things the right way. And so,
[49:21] what we do want to kind of discuss
[49:25] kind of some of those conditions where
[49:26] we feel like this would fit and kind of
[49:28] can be a win-win for everybody involved
[49:31] here. So,
[49:33] um
[49:34] any questions or anything? I guess
[49:38] first
[49:39] Malcolm
[49:40] maybe turn some time over to staff to
[49:42] kind of show the they did submit um if
[49:45] you want to go through the
[49:47] we asked for a site plan so they can see
[49:49] kind of where
[49:52] they
[49:52] Yeah, we have a site plan that's been
[49:54] submitted along with an application. Um
[49:56] I think you guys have done a good job
[49:57] explaining that they're seeking a
[49:59] conditional use permit in an R1 zone. Um
[50:02] This is the process that we follow. Part
[50:04] of our application requirement is a site
[50:06] plan. So, this site plan here just calls
[50:07] out the fencing, gives an idea of
[50:10] you know, where the gates are and the
[50:12] overall layout of the lot. So,
[50:14] if you have any questions
[50:16] that relates to ordinances, let us know
[50:17] and I'll try and help, but
[50:19] this is what we've been provided with.
[50:23] Thank you. Can you Can you scroll
[50:25] through the other picture of the
[50:26] building?
[50:27] The next thing they sent in was the back
[50:29] end.
[50:29] Sure.
[50:32] And then the one showing the kennel
[50:34] itself and
[50:38] All right.
[50:39] thanks.
[50:44] So, that's a picture of the kennel with
[50:47] a roof, right? And then the
[50:49] chain link fence.
[50:52] And then the
[50:53] indoor dog kennel where the
[50:56] transport Okay.
[50:59] Was that all open on there?
[51:01] They didn't specify if someone is
[51:03] staying there.
[51:04] No.
[51:06] The lobby house, that's right.
[51:14] Any other points of discussion that the
[51:17] commission wants to make?
[51:20] Ms. Brown, can you come back up? Please.
[51:24] Um
[51:26] in your the original Thank you for
[51:28] coming back, by the way. Yeah, I'm so
[51:29] sorry.
[51:30] And thank you for providing the
[51:32] documents we asked for. So,
[51:34] um
[51:35] in your original application
[51:37] um
[51:38] you were talking about noise and
[51:40] barking, and you listed down that you're
[51:42] going to use bark collars, correct?
[51:45] For the dogs who tend to whine
[51:48] or bark at dinner time, it's easier to
[51:50] have bark collars on them than to manage
[51:52] them. Okay.
[51:54] Um
[51:57] Another question that I've got is when
[51:59] you look at the site plan, you've got
[52:02] 6-ft fence all around the property.
[52:05] There's two gates that lead to the
[52:06] front.
[52:07] >> Correct. How How do you plan to secure
[52:10] those two? For For honestly, for other
[52:13] people's safety and for your dogs so
[52:15] that they can't get Yeah. So, those
[52:18] gates are also 6-ft, same height as the
[52:20] fence.
[52:21] Um we just have like bicycle chain locks
[52:23] that wrap around so you can't get
[52:25] through it. So, they are locked? Yeah. I
[52:27] don't know if they're locked right now
[52:28] cuz we've been having some people coming
[52:30] in and out to paint and do some drywall
[52:32] stuff.
[52:32] So,
[52:34] I don't know if they're currently
[52:35] locked, but they will be when we move
[52:36] onto the property.
[52:38] Okay.
[52:43] You also
[52:45] last month talked about
[52:49] taking care of odors and smells. Can you
[52:51] expand on that a little more? Yeah. So,
[52:54] if you look um next to the pasture,
[52:56] there's that
[52:57] nice rectangle that's gray, dark gray.
[53:00] Um that's the portable potty run. So,
[53:02] what we do is if we can't attend to the
[53:04] dogs going to the bathroom, meaning be
[53:07] right there with them, we put them in
[53:09] that portable potty run. Some are a
[53:10] little shy going to the bathroom, so we
[53:13] give them their own little space. Okay.
[53:14] How do you rest meaning [clears throat]
[53:15] it's it's fenced like a kennel? Yes.
[53:18] sir. Um so, once they
[53:21] um go to the bathroom in there, we scoop
[53:23] it out, put that in a little receptacle
[53:26] um that we have for the dog poop.
[53:28] And we spray it out and move it around
[53:30] to make sure it's not like one area is
[53:32] getting too stinky. And by moving it
[53:34] around, I mean move it 10 ft over, move
[53:36] it 10 ft over, give the grass a little
[53:38] bit time to grow back, too. Make sure
[53:40] everything's sanitary.
[53:49] Any other Any other questions for this
[53:51] property?
[53:52] Yeah, I guess
[53:53] on this property case you mentioned
[53:55] regular. So, obviously if they're using
[53:56] the the kennel to do their business, otherwise they're
[54:00] out and they might and go anywhere,
[54:02] right? So, you you mentioned regular
[54:04] cleanings. That mean
[54:06] every day, every week, or what?
[54:08] >> around behind my dog with a dog poop Oh,
[54:10] that makes
[54:10] >> [laughter]
[54:11] >> sense.
[54:12] Yes.
[54:13] Okay, I'll just leave it at that.
[54:20] I guess one one more thing too is I
[54:22] guess I mean the code mentions pretty
[54:24] clearly this is a hobby kennel, not a
[54:25] commercial kennel. So, we have an
[54:26] agreement you should not be doing
[54:28] anything as far as commercial wise in
[54:30] this property. So, I want to make that
[54:31] clear for you.
[54:32] Thank you.
[54:40] Any other questions? Thank you. Thank
[54:42] you, guys.
[54:45] Bring back to commission for
[54:48] further discussion or a motion.
[54:58] Um
[55:00] I I know we've had a lot of citizens who
[55:03] reached out and I want to tell everybody
[55:04] thank you for that. That's some really
[55:06] good conversations the last week or two
[55:08] over this.
[55:09] Um
[55:10] and we've had a lot of discussion in our
[55:12] work meeting about this as well.
[55:14] Um
[55:15] we want to make sure that we're
[55:16] protecting everybody's property rights.
[55:19] So, at this time
[55:21] um I would like to make a motion
[55:24] that we approve the conditional use
[55:25] permit for um
[55:28] Nick and uh Grace Brown
[55:31] uh
[55:32] for the hobby kennel at 6559 West
[55:36] Excuse me, 4600 South at Hooper Um with
[55:40] the following conditions.
[55:44] Ms. Brown already alluded to bark
[55:46] collars, so we would like that
[55:48] in there as a condition.
[55:52] The gates to the property, as she
[55:53] discussed, are secured currently with
[55:55] bike locks. We would like those to
[55:57] remain secured at all times.
[56:00] We talked through the cleanliness issue,
[56:03] making sure that there is regular
[56:04] cleaning
[56:05] with the animals.
[56:08] We also discussed that this is also
[56:09] covered in the other ordinance about no
[56:11] commercial use.
[56:14] Any other and last condition that we
[56:16] would like to
[56:18] implement with this is around any
[56:21] nuisance complaints
[56:24] that if there are nuisance complaints
[56:26] that are verifiable through Weber
[56:28] County, whether it be animal control or
[56:30] the Sheriff's Department, that we pull
[56:33] this back before the Planning Commission
[56:35] to review this item.
[56:38] For review. For review. Thank you.
[56:42] I do have an additional one. This was in
[56:45] the application,
[56:46] so I would advise the Planning
[56:48] Commission to
[56:50] require 6-ft tall fence.
[56:53] Excellent. Okay, thank you. I'd like
[56:55] to add that to the motion. Was that That
[56:57] was in the application. I just want to
[56:58] verify that these were I don't know if
[57:00] it was in the application.
[57:02] When we measured parts of the fence,
[57:04] they measured 6-ft.
[57:06] I don't know if 100% of it, with grading
[57:09] and everything, measured 6-ft. It's
[57:11] pretty close.
[57:13] But I don't know if it was in the actual
[57:15] application. Okay. I'm sorry. I thought
[57:17] that was in the application, so that
[57:19] might be You guys might That might add
[57:21] discussion.
[57:22] I'm sorry.
[57:38] » Would that be a reasonable request?
[57:43] I think so.
[57:45] Then I'd like to add that to the motion
[57:46] as well. That
[57:49] all fencing surrounding where the
[57:51] animals will be kept is um at a 6-ft
[57:55] height in all places.
[58:06] We have a motion from Commissioner Bates
[58:08] for approval. You don't have to restate
[58:11] everything that you said. We just need
[58:13] [laughter] a second.
[58:18] Before we do that, can I just ask one
[58:20] more question of the applicant?
[58:22] The the bark collars, that's a voluntary
[58:24] condition.
[58:25] You're okay with that condition? Yep.
[58:27] Okay. Thank you.
[58:38] I'll second the
[58:40] motion.
[58:41] We have a motion from Commissioner
[58:43] Bates, second from Commissioner
[58:44] Watterson. All in favor for the
[58:46] approval?
[58:48] I. I. I.
[58:50] Okay. Motion passes.
[58:55] All right, since we moved our sense of
[58:56] community to the beginning of the
[58:57] meeting, that is
[59:00] Now we'll allow her to make a motion for
[59:03] adjournment.
[59:04] I make a motion to adjourn.
[59:07] Motion from Commissioner Watterson to
[59:08] adjourn. Second. Second from
[59:10] Commissioner Bates. All in favor? I. I.