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>> Okay, we would like to welcome you to

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our city council work meeting. It is

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Thursday, May 22nd. We're having some

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technical difficulties, so hopefully

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you'll be able to hear us and see us. If

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not, then this meeting is being recorded

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and you'll be able to listen to the

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after it is posted to our website.

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So, we have um some things to discuss

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tonight on that we put on the agenda and

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if we have time, we'll maybe um talk

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about one more thing. So, the first

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thing was our secondary water

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requirements

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and um Cole Allen and I had asked him

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about coming tonight, but he wasn't able

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to. So, I hopefully you've had time to

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look through this ordinance. We've

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the reason I wanted to talk about this

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in a work meeting and then, you know,

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possibly later we'll think about

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changing our ordinance because we've had

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some concerns in the past with us having

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the requirement that they have to be

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hooked up to pressurized secondary

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before we even give them a building

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permit. So, I just wanted to discuss and

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hopefully you've had a chance to look

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and then there's also the point that if

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there's not even water available, that

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they have to either turn in their water

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shares or escrow the funds.

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And even if it's possibly not ever, we

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don't know, that there will be actually

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be secondary water even available on

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that street, which has happened on 6700.

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And you know, we also at the bottom have

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if they violate this ordinance, it's a

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class C misdemeanor, which

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again, so discussion. Maybe you have a

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chance to look at it and

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>> How is this different than what we

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currently have?

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>> What did you say, Ryan?

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>> How is this different than what we

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>> This is our

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>> This is This is This is what we

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this already.

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>> No, we already have this. So that was

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just a discussion if we if this is

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anything we ever feel like that should

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be changed. I know we've had a couple of

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developers that have

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approached

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the culinary water improvement and said,

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you know, we really don't want to have

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to do the secondary. We had a developer

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come and say if we do the zero scaping

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and they're smaller lots and so anyway,

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just for really it's been developers

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that have been concerned about this. Well,

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but even if it's a single

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lot but I'm I'm just wondering who's

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actually approached

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you or or whoever brought this up. Who

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actually approached us about I've

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actually had a conversation brought to

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me from

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upper culinary district stating that

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they probably had more water than they

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needed and they would be able to supply

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some of the smaller lots with culinary

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and they would not be above looking into

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doing that. And I also believe they have

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in their bylaws written right now that

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they wouldn't provide culinary

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unless there was a secondary

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pressure available but I believe they're

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going to remove that clause from their

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bylaws that that will no longer be

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hasn't been done yet but they are

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looking into doing that

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because they figure there are instances

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they would be able they're in business

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of selling water and they have more

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culinary water right now than they need

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basically.

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you want just a simple rule of thumb

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that I learned a long time ago.

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What gives us water? What there's three

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simple things that you have to have to

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» Which are?

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water right. You have to have the right

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either drill a well or you have a right to

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all along the railroad.

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bought all these water rights up, but

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there was no water.

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where you have the water right.

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you have to have a way to get that water

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to where you can use it.

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things is missing, you do not have

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so they drilled that well in West Point,

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for example. I think most of us know

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where that is. Just off 1800.

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don't need it.

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>> Well, but is there water there? Can they even pump it and get all the

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water they want?

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sulfur in it. They can They could filter

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it and use it.

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up not going They had a problem with the

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drill line and

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that it happened to be in the way of the

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West Davis Corridor or you know, that

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eventually

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they'll buy up that property as it moves

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into Weber County.

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corridors coming through?

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what the parameters are.

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and then they just uh they just drilled

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these two last wells and again, I don't

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found the quality of water

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to me that they were looking into being

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able to provide water. Just obviously an

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acre lot, they're not going to want to

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do that cuz that wouldn't be cost

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effective for the land owners. I'm not

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even sure, as you mentioned, a half acre

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lot's not a small lot.

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patio homes, things like that that have

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a lawn about the size of this table,

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they I think could probably supply water

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for that, and they're actually

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looking into potentially doing that and

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revising their bylaws to where it will

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not be mandatory anymore for somebody to

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have pressurized secondary for them to

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provide culinary. It's not done yet, but

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they are looking into it to see if that

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and this is just what I heard the

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meeting that was held at West Point, you

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know, for that new development that

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wants to go in there.

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Cole Allen?

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Cole Allen.

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>> Wayne Allen.

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told them that there's a lot higher

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density

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housing going in there than what was

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originally planned, and that

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>> Going in where?

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>> His east part of that.

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>> Okay. And that that that was really

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going to stress their system. So, that's

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not coming from It's coming from a

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different Cole, but

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there was concern he had

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about that. So,

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to me, it just seems like there's mixed

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feelings about this or mixed mixed

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my concern is is if it's a developer

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and requesting this, then yeah, I can

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see why they wouldn't want to

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available. I I don't know what the

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availability of everything is and stuff,

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but I will tell you straight up that I

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Hooper Irrigation

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being able to stop somebody from getting

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onto our agenda as a private company

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makes no sense to me. I don't

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an availability to provide water and the

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developer has to have water shares

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available. I totally understand that.

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needs to be available if it's

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needed. But I don't know why to get onto

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the Hooper City agenda, you would need

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get permission basically from Hooper

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Irrigation to get on our agenda. That

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makes no sense to me.

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District wasn't willing to provide them

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secondary water.

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>> Yeah, but they are probably going to

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provide it.

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>> But see, if it's provided it's like Utah

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Power, okay? You have to go get a letter

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from them stating they can provide

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electricity. They can service you. The

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gas company has to provide that they can

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service you. Every entity has to provide

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they can service you. I don't know why

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with Hooper Irrigation that it's not

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just the same thing and and they are not

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uh they're a privately held corporation

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basically

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operating within the city.

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To me, it's never made any sense that they could

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demand somebody

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turning water shares before they even go

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on our agenda. I know they need to make

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sure they have water shares available

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for whatever they're doing. That needs

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to be available. But it makes no sense

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to me for it to be turned in

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prior to getting on Hooper City's agenda

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for a subdivision.

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I I totally think it should be.

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>> to being approved.

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>> No, there's been some that have been on

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agendas for a long time, but they were

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never approved because they had they

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didn't have secondary water.

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They didn't have any water shares.

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>> Okay. Well, and that So, that's why they

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wouldn't get approved in that situation

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if they don't water shares.

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You know, that

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>> Well, that's one thing too that was said

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to me today with the shortage of water

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shares, what happens when the time comes

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when a developer doesn't have water

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shares?

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What What if they can't get water

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shares? Then how can they provide

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secondary water if there are no water

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shares available? Because sometimes

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there aren't.

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>> That will actually, at some point in

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time, unless there is another source,

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which there isn't,

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>> Yeah.

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>> of water other than the culinary. And

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obviously, the culinary can't be

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irrigating fields, okay? That's not

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going to work.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And the water from Weber Basin, I

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already talked to the engineer up there,

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is pretty much dispersed in shares right

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now,

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which belongs to whoever it belongs to,

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cuz they either

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dug a ditch and got the shares or bought

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them at some point in time. But, there

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is not going to be enough water shares

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down the road, I'm sure, to build

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the whole western part of Weber County

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out

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with secondary water available, cuz

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there ain't that much water available.

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We're still a desert.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And that's if Mother Nature cooperates,

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and she has been kind of stingy the last

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couple years or so.

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>> Well, and one thing, if you go to our

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chapter, it's chapter five, so it's um

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So, if you go to

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chapter five and it's 6-5-4,

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where it talks about developers are

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required to escrow funds. So, this is

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one that was a concern that came up

330
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first to planning commission and then,

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you know, even up to city council, was

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because there was an an it's called a

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subdivision, because even if it's one

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lot, but it was a home, and so it says

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on here that they have to escrow funds

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to cover if there's not actual water

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shares. So, we had this home that was

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built on 6,700.

339
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Secondary water is not available. So,

340
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then the person that was it was his

341
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daughter that was building a home then

342
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was required to either give a share or

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escrow funds. And so, that's what they

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thought, well, is that really even

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right? Should Should we as a city be

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requiring someone to escrow funds for

347
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something that's not even available?

348
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>> That we know that we don't know if that

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ever become available.

350
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>> We don't know if it'll ever be. And how

351
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long are they keeping that for? How long

352
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cuz it we don't have anywhere in here

353
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that says we will hold that cuz it's

354
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just said, these funds will be held in

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escrow until such time as a secondary

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pressure system is available in the

357
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area. Well, what if that's never?

358
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>> Never.

359
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>> So, what if they have escrowed $35,000?

360
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You know, at least with our

361
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>> what it is? Is that what it is, $35,000?

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Or is that just a number we have to

363
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>> Oh, well, that's that's what a water

364
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share value is roughly at.

365
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So,

366
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we don't we don't say that. We I mean,

367
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nowhere in here does it say

368
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>> So, if they don't provide a service

369
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to 6,700

370
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why should we have somebody put up

371
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money? And if Hooper Irrigation or

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whoever wants to run

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that by there, then they go talk to them

374
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down the road and say, "Hey, we're going

375
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to run" just like the cable companies.

376
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You know, they'll come by and you know,

377
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I live on a dead end road. Well, it was

378
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years before they would even come down

379
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our way because they didn't have enough

380
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people.

381
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>> I don't even like going down a dead end.

382
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So, did it?

383
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>> I know it.

384
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And so, I don't know why we should

385
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require somebody to put money in escrow

386
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the services and provide it at the time

387
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they build their house.

388
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>> And it it also kind of is applicable

389
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>> I just wanted to clarify a few parts.

390
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>> Go ahead.

391
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>> So

392
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escrowing funds for water shares would

393
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be difficult and I understand the

394
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ordinance that they can do that or the

395
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actual water shares. In my limited

396
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experience, we require them to submit a

397
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water share

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so that we know one's there. Cuz you

399
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know, to your point, if they escrow

400
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a certain amount of money and then in 10

401
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years it

402
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was available, we don't know that money

403
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would cover a share they

404
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>> No, it it won't in 10 years, guaranteed.

405
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>> do, and Sherry's point, we do

406
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it says in here they'll install a dry

407
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system, right? That's a a requirement if

408
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it's not there, so that it's in and

409
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ready to go.

410
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On small ones where there's not really

411
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much of a system, but maybe we're

412
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contemplating deferral for a park strip

413
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if sidewalk forgot put in,

414
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they'll design that

415
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infrastructure and then they'll escrow

416
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the funds for the infrastructure for our

417
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10-year

418
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deferral process.

419
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So, that's where I think we

420
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do have them escrow funds is for the

421
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contemplated infrastructure if it ever

422
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goes in.

423
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And that's what we hold for 10 years.

424
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And that's something that we've talked

425
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about, but it relates to this

426
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How long is it that it's in there?

427
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>> And in line with what you're saying, if

428
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we're going to do it, then we be should

429
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be putting a term limit on it, like we

430
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do for curb, gutter, or sidewalk now.

431
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You know, if we're going to make you

432
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escrow money, we shouldn't be holding it

433
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for 50 years on the chance that you may

434
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go in to do it. And I actually know one

435
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developer who

436
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turned in his water shares

437
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and then the rules changed and part of

438
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the subdivision he can no longer build,

439
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but he's having some difficulty getting

440
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his water shares back that he can't

441
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actually use because he can't build the

442
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rest of the subdivision.

443
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So, that's another issue if it's turned

444
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in, it's sometimes difficult, it

445
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appears. I've never dealt with it, but

446
00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,600
I've had a couple guys tell me they had

447
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trouble getting it back

448
00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,839
after

449
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uh was sold, so they couldn't.

450
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>> sure I understand that right. So, you're

451
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saying someone turned in water to Hooper

452
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Irrigation

453
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>> Mhm.

454
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>> and then they found out they couldn't

455
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build because they can't

456
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>> Hooper changed the rules in the middle

457
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of it. was it dealt with the elevation

458
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of

459
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uh

460
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buildable elevation 4,210 whatever it

461
00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,880
was cuz the city came in after that

462
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subdivision was approved and raised that

463
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elevation.

464
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So now there are lots and it's down

465
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behind it's actually Josh Lynch's

466
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subdivision down there.

467
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So when when the city raised the

468
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elevation requirements then it made some

469
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of the land that he was planning on

470
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building on

471
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unbuildable.

472
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And he turned in water shares for that

473
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property but he has not been able to get

474
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them back from the irrigation company.

475
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Which makes no sense to me because if

476
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it's now where he cannot build on that

477
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I would think

478
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that he should get his water shares

479
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back.

480
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>> Yeah, that makes sense. That's right.

481
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That's how it is. They you should get

482
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his water shares.

483
00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,600
>> Well, Coal today said he they would be

484
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interested in having a sit-down

485
00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,920
conversation with us about this because

486
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not all cities are requiring it, you

487
00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,560
know. Um maybe this should be something

488
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that the developer works out with the

489
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culinary. Maybe the city shouldn't be

490
00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,320
the middle man

491
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in our ordinances requiring this with a

492
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penalty stated.

493
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And then maybe that's something we, you

494
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know

495
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because because he had mentioned before

496
00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,200
maybe that should just be something they

497
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work out with them, not us.

498
00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,200
>> Well, 653 allows an exemption for a

499
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minor subdivision.

500
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So unless exempted by the city

501
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administrators for a minor subdivision.

502
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So

503
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for one or two lots it can be exempted.

504
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But for a major subdivision it cannot.

505
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>> But the one that they did down in 6,700

506
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they gave a water share.

507
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And it was a minor.

508
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>> And it's it's just a one lot.

509
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>> One lot.

510
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>> And I don't even know exactly what the

511
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rules are as far as how much water per

512
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household.

513
00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,439
>> Yeah, and on the other side of that I

514
00:17:14,439 --> 00:17:16,000
will say

515
00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,319
my last son that built a house down by

516
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us

517
00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:21,480
because of the water shares and all that

518
00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,400
and he was thinking about doing zero

519
00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,360
landscape. They were actually hope

520
00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:27,640
irrigation was good and I don't remember

521
00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,800
the deal they made with him.

522
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But he went in and talked to him and I

523
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,360
thought they treated him very fair. So I

524
00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,120
think that probably fell under that

525
00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,000
exemption that uh

526
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,360
>> Yeah.

527
00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:39,320
>> And that makes sense.

528
00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:39,920
>> Yeah.

529
00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,800
>> And I I thought they were fair with him.

530
00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:44,160
So

531
00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,600
>> Yeah. I just think I think what you said

532
00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:47,320
maybe we ought to get

533
00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,640
>> Yeah, we just Yeah, need to sit down

534
00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,160
with Harper Culinary and see

535
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,480
>> And well and the other end of the coin

536
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,120
is what I'm hearing isn't done yet. Like

537
00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:55,560
they haven't they haven't changed their

538
00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,040
bylaws at this point in time. So you

539
00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,920
know, we need to before we deal with

540
00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:01,800
this much probably need to find out if

541
00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,760
they actually are going to do that or

542
00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,760
just looking into doing that.

543
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:06,040
>> Yeah.

544
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,960
>> Cuz if they don't do it then obviously

545
00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,840
you're going to have to have some

546
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,960
secondary available

547
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um for people to do it. But the other

548
00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,840
thing that I really think as a city we

549
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,760
need to encourage zero scaping every

550
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stinking place we can. I

551
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:21,280
>> Yeah.

552
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,920
>> I deal with Ogden City a lot on park

553
00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:24,920
strips

554
00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,200
and this drives me up the wall because

555
00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,280
they uh don't want gravel in the park

556
00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,360
strips but they want us to plant trees

557
00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:35,240
in for the people that we help with

558
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,760
their yards

559
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,480
and so we take out the weeds and then we

560
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,440
plant trees and then they still have to

561
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,320
water the trees in the park strip and

562
00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,560
park strips are impossible to water

563
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,920
and keep the water where it's supposed

564
00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,600
to be. That's just That makes no sense.

565
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,040
So

566
00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:50,520
>> Yeah.

567
00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,000
>> There's some houses over just west of

568
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:53,760
uh

569
00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,840
Dallas Greens that are zero scaped or

570
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,800
whatever. There's two words. What are

571
00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,240
they, Travis? There's one's

572
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,960
>> Zero scaped and zero scaping.

573
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,080
>> Zero scaped. And which one is no grass,

574
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,240
no plants, no nothing?

575
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:05,880
>> Zero scaped.

576
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,200
>> Okay, zero scaped. And they they have

577
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,000
cool looking yards.

578
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,160
>> So Darren stopped me. I don't know if I

579
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,960
can ask this question cuz it's not on

580
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,240
the agenda, but it's been brought up.

581
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,280
Why did Hooper City, can somebody

582
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,080
explain to me, why did we change and go

583
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,080
higher from what

584
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:23,800
uh

585
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,520
the Army Corps of Engineers said?

586
00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:27,800
>> On the elevation of the

587
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,200
>> Yeah, why why was that done uh

588
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,720
>> And that's related to

589
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:33,760
irrigation, is that right?

590
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,040
>> Yeah, I think so.

591
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,520
>> So, uh I Yeah, I'm just curious cuz I've

592
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,400
dealt with the Army Corps of Engineers

593
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,560
and they they are sticklers and these

594
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,640
guys are the professionals

595
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,640
and so why did we as a small city change

596
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,600
what their recommendations were?

597
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,400
>> I don't know. That'd be That'd be for

598
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:54,680
me.

599
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,520
>> Does anybody have an answer?

600
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,120
>> What's that?

601
00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,280
>> It was a recommendation from our

602
00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,600
engineer

603
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,960
at the time.

604
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,800
>> And so, he still doesn't know as much as

605
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,880
what the Army Corps of Engineers uh

606
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,360
>> I I think we'll be seeing

607
00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,760
>> There was a 4215

608
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,800
line, which is depicted on our map, and

609
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,640
then there's a now 4220 line. Those are

610
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,560
our lines for Those are elevation lines

611
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,400
for undeveloped property. 4215

612
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,840
was from the county. That's what we

613
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,160
brought in. I don't know how the county

614
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,520
determined that, but Jerry had a copy of

615
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,320
the ordinance from the county

616
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,760
of 4215 and then how that relates and

617
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,920
how, you know, what what restrictions

618
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,760
there are with building to 4215.

619
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,240
And then uh

620
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,040
way before my time,

621
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,880
they took 4215 along with the

622
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,680
restrictions and

623
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,760
changed it to 4220

624
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,680
and got rid of some of the other

625
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,480
restrictions in our uh 4220. And so,

626
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,280
that's what they did.

627
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,240
>> Just don't make uh sense to me because

628
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,240
uh

629
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,720
you know, we know where the water line

630
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,160
was uh back in the early '80s

631
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,920
and that and it's not even close uh

632
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,440
you know, and it's never going to get

633
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,560
that high cuz the Salt Lake Airport's

634
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,800
going to be under and so, you know, the

635
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,880
Army Corps of Engineers, I believe, was

636
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,520
right on. You know, and I'm just

637
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,000
wondering why

638
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:20,960
uh

639
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,400
you know, and you ask, "Well, it's

640
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,480
affected a lot of farmers out here." You

641
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,800
know, we're playing with our 401K. It's

642
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,880
just

643
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:28,960
>> Playing with our retirement.

644
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,240
>> Uh when the Army Corps of Engineers, I

645
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,920
mean, this is a

646
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,360
you know, these people have done all the

647
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:37,200
research research and that and so

648
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,920
>> Well, and I would call

649
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,800
Yeah,

650
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,480
you know, I know

651
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,880
JUB

652
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,280
did just draw a line and it was so

653
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,040
consistent with the

654
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,040
4220 as far as

655
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,720
water has been above 4215 before.

656
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,080
And so so if water's been above that,

657
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,160
then how do you drain

658
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,200
if you're at 4215, how do you drain

659
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,160
water away from 4215? How do you

660
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,120
>> We fired up Bangor pumps.

661
00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:04,760
>> You what?

662
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,270
>> We fired up Bangor pumps.

663
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,720
» But you know, there's there's places

664
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,880
that's even further

665
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,640
>> So, the I'm going to go out on a limb

666
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,080
here and I'll bet the 4215

667
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,880
is still in place in Davis County and

668
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,920
Box Elder County.

669
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,120
I'll bet that we in Hooper, I don't know

670
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,600
of any other cities that have changed

671
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,680
that elevation line. I

672
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,280
>> It seems like they took us on a field

673
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,760
trip, JUB. Didn't we go out?

674
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,320
>> Yeah, what is what's the elevation of

675
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,280
the sewer plant?

676
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,000
And the North Davis sewer plant?

677
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,960
>> No idea.

678
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,760
>> I don't know.

679
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,200
>> That's that's what we want to check

680
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,680
because it was threatened. I mean, there was

681
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,000
places like that that

682
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,280
Obviously, there are places threatened or that

683
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,320
>> Yeah, I just I just don't know why just

684
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,640
Hooper City. I If everybody around said,

685
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,320
"No, we need to raise it to 4220." That

686
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,480
then there's probably a really good

687
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,360
reason. I just

688
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:01,880
>> Jared has some background on it cuz he

689
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,800
took us out.

690
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,760
The next show is water.

691
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,160
>> There'll be a staff memo for planning

692
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,800
commission and there's been a request to

693
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,560
amend that ordinance.

694
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,720
>> Okay. So, let's do that. Let's look into

695
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,320
that. We don't need to spin our wheels

696
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,240
on that right now. We're not going

697
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,080
anywhere.

698
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,440
>> Well, so back to this then. Let maybe we

699
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,960
can just work with

700
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,640
culinary because again you know one

701
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,280
thing we find with our ordinances a lot

702
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,880
of things aren't probably as precise as

703
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,440
they need to be or concise, whichever

704
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,520
word would better fit how ours. So, I

705
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,840
think there's some things we might want

706
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,040
to look at and see if there are some

707
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,960
changes that do need to be made

708
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,600
because times times are changing and

709
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,720
maybe this what which was good last

710
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,520
maybe isn't

711
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,320
>> So, I just add some just experience. So,

712
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,000
we had

713
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000
allowed some culinary in some areas

714
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,400
and then they took it away.

715
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,120
And while I was there there was a lot of

716
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,200
people that would come forward and

717
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,800
complain because they wanted their

718
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,160
secondary so bad because they're paying

719
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:01,920
so

720
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,760
much money for culinary.

721
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,600
So, it became it was kind of a headache

722
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,880
for the city. So, I just wanted to

723
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,280
explain that that there would could be

724
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,720
some foreseeable problems but the world

725
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,680
is changing and the need for water is

726
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,160
changing and that's different than what

727
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,360
it was but that was something that was

728
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,640
common with commonly show up

729
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,120
with these developments that didn't have

730
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,760
access to secondary. So, then they

731
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,680
changed and required secondary after

732
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,040
that.

733
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,600
>> Do you Do you have any recollection of

734
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,480
how big of lots there were in those

735
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,760
subdivisions?

736
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,160
>> I I know that they were some of them

737
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,400
were relatively big cuz they would

738
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,160
complain. They would There were some

739
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,320
numbers that they were talking about

740
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,720
>> Because it would be it would be

741
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,680
incredible how much water acre of ground

742
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:43,520
with culinary that

743
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,200
>> Yeah, it was I mean acre I don't think

744
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,280
an acre but still the money was

745
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:47,880
>> So,

746
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,000
>> a lot.

747
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,600
>> Are we going to redo or

748
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,480
look at the general plan again at

749
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,640
Clipper in the near future?

750
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,560
>> Is it the whole the whole general plan

751
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,240
or just commercial?

752
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,800
>> It It is making updates because when you

753
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,480
do those Well, if you go to This is too,

754
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,240
but when you go to When you go to the

755
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,680
general plan, there's with things in the

756
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,080
general plan, there's a lot of the

757
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,640
strategies that we were supposed to be

758
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,520
reviewing every year that have not been

759
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,320
reviewed at all. And so, some of those

760
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,000
are going to be reviewed because they

761
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,800
should have been. And you're supposed to

762
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,440
really be reviewing them and ours has

763
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,280
been Well, it's been 5 years since they

764
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:25,760
started.

765
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,680
>> Yeah, so my question with that is are we

766
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,360
getting ahead of if we start changing

767
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:33,840
for secondary water if we happen to

768
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,600
maybe change something in our overall

769
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,640
general plan or does it go together or

770
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,080
>> Yeah, maybe go together.

771
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,560
>> like that and then amend it later or

772
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,640
>> I think that's

773
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,960
>> Yeah, I think some of these things we

774
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,760
just start looking at and

775
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:48,200
>> See.

776
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,160
>> Yeah,

777
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,520
I mean, all this was is just a

778
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,680
preliminary discussion.

779
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,560
>> to make a decision, but we're just

780
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,040
exploring options.

781
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,040
>> Look at it and see because there have

782
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,000
been people that have came, you know,

783
00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:59,680
and

784
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,200
>> It's a little bit of perspective as

785
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,000
well. I found this common throughout

786
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,600
other cities.

787
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,920
Although

788
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,120
where they have that commercial, I've

789
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,880
had experience in

790
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,840
some uh

791
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,040
instances where I've seen them use

792
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,240
culinary.

793
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Um I know for instance, like West Haven

794
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,680
has some code that supports culinary

795
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,120
usage because Bonavista, their culinary

796
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,000
provider

797
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,400
Well, they'll they'll they haven't They

798
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,800
have code that will support

799
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,960
zero steepings. So, no no water usage at

800
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,680
all because their water provider uh

801
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,520
Bonavista has a resolution like 2023

802
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,840
that

803
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,760
allows for zero irrigation at all,

804
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,960
never. So, anyone on Bonavista, you

805
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,600
can't irrigate. You can't have a drip

806
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,440
line, nothing. So.

807
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,040
>> I'm sure legislation's going

808
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,120
>> Yeah, they really have requirements. So,

809
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,880
I that resolution was sent to me and so

810
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,360
then they have they've So, there are

811
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:53,360
different ways to do it, I guess, is

812
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:54,320
what I'm saying. Even if there's no

813
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,680
irrigation, what they did in that case

814
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,160
is if you provide that resolution to

815
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,560
them, and then if you're 1,120 ft away

816
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,960
from the nearest irrigation line

817
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,720
for secondary, then you can get an

818
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,560
exemption, and you can do a zero scaping

819
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,160
in a commercial scenario. Um so, there

820
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,120
are different ways to do it. Um that's

821
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,280
what they've done. Um so, just some

822
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,520
thoughts. I do think we have a The broad

823
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,920
policy makes a lot of sense, in my

824
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,040
opinion, but I do think maybe, and

825
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,520
Darren could advise on this, there could

826
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,040
be instances for sure commercial

827
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,280
application, PUD application where it

828
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,040
has We've got a lot of developers when

829
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,560
they come in, they have this water-wise

830
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,600
they like to promote, they're very

831
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,880
excited about these very minimal systems

832
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,680
that, you know, have these grand master

833
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,920
landscape plans, and then they have

834
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,160
really, really low irrigation use. And

835
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,840
for that use, they're typically wanting

836
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,680
to use culinary. Um I think that's

837
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,480
something we'd be interesting to

838
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,280
entertain. I just don't know if any of

839
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,720
this would prohibit us from entertaining

840
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,360
that, or if we could still, via

841
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,440
development agreement, you know, write a

842
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,840
you know, a usage agreement for

843
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,560
culinary, and permit it along with Weber

844
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,000
water support, right?

845
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,960
>> That could be allowed in a development

846
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,480
agreement, or we can make exemptions for

847
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,360
specific for commercial in our code. So,

848
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:03,040
either way.

849
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,720
>> You got a thought, go for it.

850
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,800
>> Well, if we've got all this water,

851
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,360
and we've done dug two more wells, they

852
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,200
just bonded $12 million

853
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,080
for something. Are they planning on

854
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,520
building those wells with this $12

855
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,600
million, or

856
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,040
>> I'm not

857
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,680
>> What's their plan, right?

858
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,560
I don't know. We've never heard of a

859
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,120
plan for Weber water, culinary.

860
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,720
>> So, that's maybe a meeting is a great

861
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,000
idea before we start changing stuff.

862
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,800
Yeah, I think it's a great idea.

863
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,320
Let's find out what what they think they

864
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,680
have available before we

865
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,280
>> It doesn't seem like one well provides a

866
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,320
lot of excess.

867
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,160
>> Well, and I do know they actually have

868
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,920
an attachment to Weber Basin already

869
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,880
that if you get a 911, they got to just

870
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,760
flip a valve.

871
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,720
>> Which is just

872
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,520
>> Which is going to cost a fortune, no

873
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,840
doubt about it.

874
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,840
Yeah, no doubt about it. But, there is

875
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,760
you know, basically unlimited access to

876
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,960
them and

877
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,280
you know, that well over there, I know

878
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,000
it didn't convince really great water.

879
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,360
That's a for sure and for certain, but

880
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,760
>> Anyway, it'd just be nice to know what

881
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:58,960
they're

882
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,720
>> Yeah, let's absolutely

883
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,240
Let's table it until we Yeah,

884
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,920
let's sit down with them and see what

885
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,360
their plans are.

886
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,040
>> So, the next thing is Tomato Days with

887
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,310
Jamie.

888
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,150
She's excited.

889
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,440
» Hey, kudos to her

890
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,200
for volunteering to do it. Anyway, why

891
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,120
don't you take my seat here?

892
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,200
>> Did she really volunteer to do it?

893
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,400
Or was this an army volunteer

894
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,680
stepping up?

895
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,280
>> It was volunteer. No, I'm kidding.

896
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,480
I took it on when Aaron was

897
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,680
exiting

898
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,000
and it's been fun. Yesterday or last

899
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,000
night

900
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,520
we did the flags in the ceremony or

901
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,720
cemetery

902
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,080
for the veterans for Memorial Day. So,

903
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,680
that was fun.

904
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,240
Um

905
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,160
No, but for Tomato Days, I just kind of

906
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,600
wanted to give you guys I know it's kind

907
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,720
of far out, but I wanted to change it up

908
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,080
and hopefully all of you don't get too

909
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,360
upset,

910
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,480
but council has in the past came and

911
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,720
>> Oh, no, I'm not Hey, I'm excited to

912
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,640
hear.

913
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,000
>> Council in the past have done

914
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880
um the community dinner um resident

915
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,760
dinner,

916
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,320
right? You guys come

917
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,080
>> and serve.

918
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,840
>> Serve, right?

919
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,880
We're going to change that up just a

920
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,160
little bit and you guys are going to

921
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,400
plan it. You guys are going to get the

922
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,440
food,

923
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,360
pick it up

924
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,040
under my supervision.

925
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,520
I will help you guys get your food

926
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,000
handlers permit. I will still have all

927
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,680
the tables. I will still have the tables

928
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920
and tablecloth, but you guys are going

929
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,360
to plan it. You guys are going to be

930
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,080
preparing it and you guys are going to

931
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,040
be serving it completely for the people

932
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,280
that voted you guys in.

933
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,240
>> Well, we've kind of done that now.

934
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,480
>> That's not too different. It's not

935
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:47,920
different.

936
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,200
>> We've done the tomatoes, we've done the

937
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,880
corn, we've done the

938
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,800
everything but the meat, basically.

939
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,200
>> Okay. And you can

940
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,440
still do

941
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,320
the

942
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,160
meat from Ken's or the meat from

943
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,280
Chattanooga

944
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,480
>> Godsey's.

945
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,840
>> And you can still do that. You're just picking the menu. Basically,

946
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,800
you guys are coming together and

947
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,920
>> That's a good idea. Pick the menu.

948
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,400
>> You guys get to

949
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,880
choose it.

950
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,640
What are you going to cook? What are you

951
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,000
going to serve? You guys are going to do

952
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,920
that. It's

953
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,920
not only takes a little bit of a load

954
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,960
off of me, but it also helps you guys

955
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,960
work together as well.

956
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,040
>> Sweet.

957
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,440
>> If you have any questions, so kind of

958
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,520
start planning the menu.

959
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,120
>> And you are

960
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,760
>> What do you want to serve?

961
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,120
>> You are addressing the guy who ran

962
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,520
Hooper Tomato Days for 7 years.

963
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,640
Completely got all the food, got all the

964
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,080
stuff, got the volunteers to do it.

965
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,680
>> I second that Ray does it.

966
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880
>> I said did it for 7 years, okay?

967
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,480
Don't want to do it anymore. We actually

968
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,000
>> That's one of your assignments, isn't

969
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,760
it? City Council assignments. I think we

970
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,760
put

971
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,560
tomato day

972
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,880
>> I'll be in the vicinity.

973
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,440
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

974
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,760
We're in this year.

975
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,520
>> And everybody loves it.

976
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,680
>> Your family Your family's going to want

977
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,400
to jump in

978
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:00,800
>> It's great.

979
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,320
>> and help.

980
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,040
>> No, my family wants to get out of town

981
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,120
so they don't have to.

982
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,160
>> No, they're in. So, give me some support

983
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,200
to Jamie, you know, just to reiterate

984
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,840
this a little more. So,

985
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,000
what we're saying is we want us to be in

986
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,120
charge of it, that she's not having to

987
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,800
worry.

988
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,040
>> About procurement and stuff.

989
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,440
>> About about any of it, because what has

990
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,040
happened, and yes, it used to be I think

991
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,920
a little more City Council, and I've

992
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,760
also been one that's done tomato days

993
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,280
for a number of years.

994
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,920
>> about the rest of the meat. The motion

995
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,600
for which meat is chosen That'll be a good meeting.

996
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,520
>> But but anyway, just because usually

997
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,120
what has happened is we give

998
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,280
assignments. I mean I even know as me as

999
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,560
to me that you know when I was doing it

1000
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,000
I would come and pass the assignment

1001
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,400
sheet along and some people would sign

1002
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,640
up, some people wouldn't sign up and

1003
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,680
then it was a huge job. So it really

1004
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,120
should be we're in charge of it, we're

1005
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,120
responsible for every bit of it. But

1006
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,960
Jamie's not there worried because that

1007
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,400
has not happened.

1008
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,440
>> And so what's our budget for the food?

1009
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,320
Do we have one?

1010
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,920
>> Oh that's a good question. I'll get back

1011
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,040
to you on that.

1012
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,200
So I'll give you a little feedback on

1013
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,480
that. We usually charge like $3 a

1014
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,040
restaurant to come. The Coalition

1015
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Western Weaver CTC has given us money

1016
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,040
because that's like a family dinner

1017
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,640
night. So usually it's pretty much paid

1018
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,920
for with what we collect. I mean it's

1019
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,560
donation so if someone comes and they

1020
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,280
don't have money we still let them come

1021
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,160
and eat but we have gotten some

1022
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,760
donations.

1023
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,960
And so Chad Funk has done the food. We

1024
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,720
did pulled pork last year. We did the

1025
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,640
smoked hamburgers and hot dogs and

1026
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,280
people got a little panic because smoked

1027
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,400
hamburgers are pink on the inside and

1028
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,920
they said oh no these aren't cooked.

1029
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,120
Well they were. So then we went back to

1030
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,480
the pulled pork. You did corn again last

1031
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,360
year.

1032
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Um you know they sliced the tomatoes but

1033
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,080
really if you just whoever we just are

1034
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,320
in charge of it with that.

1035
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,560
>> And getting volunteers to help take care

1036
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,960
of them and stuff too. That's going to

1037
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,600
>> I mean whether it's family or volunteers

1038
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,200
that you find like

1039
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,080
Uh I think last year we had us office

1040
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,600
staff went over and was slicing

1041
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,399
watermelons and stuff there.

1042
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:10,560
Office staff but here your families are

1043
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,520
working together.

1044
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,600
And you guys

1045
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,760
working. Yeah we spent a lot of time

1046
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,720
down there shucking corn and stuff like

1047
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:19,600
>> Yeah you guys were there.

1048
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:19,919
Yeah.

1049
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:20,520
>> That was cool.

1050
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,679
>> So it's not much different at all.

1051
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:24,080
>> No it doesn't sound like a lot of change

1052
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,280
to me though.

1053
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,720
>> And then another thing to keep in mind

1054
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:31,320
is the 5K. I don't have

1055
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,399
um

1056
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:34,600
volunteer. You might have saw that on

1057
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,919
the door. The

1058
00:34:36,919 --> 00:34:37,760
>> Someone

1059
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,480
run that?

1060
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,919
>> to not run.

1061
00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:42,840
Well, you say run, but it's a 5K. Um

1062
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,320
>> Okay, drive.

1063
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:43,879
>> Organize.

1064
00:34:43,879 --> 00:34:45,960
it. Yeah.

1065
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,360
Be the director of the 5K.

1066
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,679
>> Craig could run it anyway.

1067
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,679
>> I'd drive it. I got a car. I can run it

1068
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,360
5 miles for nothing.

1069
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,200
>> So, if you know somebody that would love

1070
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,000
to organize something and

1071
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,200
be in charge of the 5K.

1072
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,080
>> I think we have enough

1073
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,360
>> I know.

1074
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,800
>> running enthusiasts around. We ought to

1075
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,960
be able to find somebody to put that

1076
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:03,320
together.

1077
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,360
>> I know. I've put it on social media.

1078
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,040
I've put it on the door.

1079
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,760
We haven't got anybody yet. So, if you

1080
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,480
have somebody in mind, let me know.

1081
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,120
>> I know a guy that runs them 100-mile

1082
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:12,920
marathons.

1083
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,560
>> Yeah.

1084
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,000
>> 5K to him would be warm-ups.

1085
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,120
>> Yeah. Well, they wouldn't get to run it.

1086
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:18,640
>> No.

1087
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,560
>> They would They would have to sit.

1088
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,440
>> I know, but they would

1089
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,160
>> It's organizing. It really is a lot

1090
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,640
>> There's There's got to be people out

1091
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,320
there that are involved in people that

1092
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,000
run

1093
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,360
>> Mhm.

1094
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,800
>> a lot.

1095
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,880
>> Yeah.

1096
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,040
But, I'll come and speak again as it

1097
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,880
gets closer, but I just didn't want it

1098
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,200
to be

1099
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,480
you know, a surprise.

1100
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,040
>> It's a good time.

1101
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,680
We got time to work on this stuff.

1102
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,320
>> That's it?

1103
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,720
>> Yeah, that's it.

1104
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,080
>> That wasn't much of a change.

1105
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,160
>> Oh, wait.

1106
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,840
>> Dinner and a 5K?

1107
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,200
>> Well, and then just helping with the

1108
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,520
rodeo ticket. I mean, there's always

1109
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,440
things other things we need to do to

1110
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,600
Yeah, but as it gets closer, I'll give

1111
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,040
you guys some areas that we need

1112
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,440
coverage in. Do you guys want to be

1113
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,280
there all week?

1114
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Is that mandatory? All week?

1115
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,440
>> No.

1116
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,560
>> Yeah, it's it's mandatory when you got

1117
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,800
voted in.

1118
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,520
>> No.

1119
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,040
>> When you swore in. I think there was

1120
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:12,640
like a sentence

1121
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,680
>> There was no clause in there that said

1122
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,280
mandatory.

1123
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,120
>> days a week

1124
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,230
cuz I'm only two days.

1125
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,120
» Okay.

1126
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,200
Thank you.

1127
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:22,880
>> Sweet.

1128
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,040
>> Okay. Thank you.

1129
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,400
>> It's okay.

1130
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,120
>> Whatever you need, David Craig will be

1131
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,320
happy to do

1132
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,400
>> Thank you.

1133
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,320
>> We really like

1134
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,240
>> His wife might be 5K.

1135
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,200
>> Did you say she would?

1136
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:33,960
>> She might. She might.

1137
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,800
>> She might.

1138
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,520
>> She's pretty.

1139
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,640
>> She's that type of person.

1140
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,240
>> Yeah.

1141
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:39,360
>> I'm sure we can find somebody,

1142
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,990
especially with some notice. Thank you.

1143
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,640
» Okay, we have a few minutes. I thought

1144
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,600
if we did then we'll go through this.

1145
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,880
I actually serve on the advisory council

1146
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,560
for the healthy Utah community.

1147
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,600
And Helper City 3 years ago applied and

1148
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,360
was designated as a healthy Utah

1149
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,720
community. So, I'm just going to, you

1150
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,040
know,

1151
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,200
take one of these because you're

1152
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,680
probably aware, if you're not aware, but

1153
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,040
let me tell you a little bit about what

1154
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,120
So, the the

1155
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,240
health department and with the state of

1156
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,120
Utah, they developed this program.

1157
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,840
And there's three parts that actually

1158
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,720
come to this program. It's active

1159
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,800
living, access to healthy food, and

1160
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,360
mental health.

1161
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,880
So, when you get your designation, you

1162
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,560
are you set goals, and then you are

1163
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,560
supposed to be working on these goals

1164
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:34,440
over the past 3 years. And because I have a degree in health, I

1165
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,240
probably have a little more passion

1166
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,000
about this than some people do. But, you

1167
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,720
know, one comment I made at the advisory

1168
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,520
board that I sit on,

1169
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,720
there's no reason for us to do this if

1170
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,720
we're really not going to do it. Having

1171
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,760
a designation, you know, you'll see on

1172
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,440
the back when our name is on the back

1173
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,640
that says we are one of the cities,

1174
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,480
but what good does it do for us to say

1175
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,720
we're a city if then we don't do

1176
00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:59,720
anything about it? You know, that

1177
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,360
completely defeats the whole purpose of

1178
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,080
doing this. Well, this is the year that

1179
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,080
we then can redesignate

1180
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,680
as being a healthy Utah community.

1181
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,120
>> Are these those that have

1182
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,200
been awarded?

1183
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,360
>> These are the those that have been

1184
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:13,840
awarded.

1185
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,480
>> Yeah, cuz I have I can show you a

1186
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,120
picture when Helper City got awarded

1187
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,640
this 2 years ago.

1188
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,320
>> And you'll see it says in green, those

1189
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,080
are the redesignate communities. Not all

1190
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,160
communities

1191
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,280
>> We're not re-designated.

1192
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,600
>> No, because we've only ever done it

1193
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,400
once, just for the 3 years. But again,

1194
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,480
we need to decide as a council you know,

1195
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,240
if we're really going to do this, then

1196
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,520
we need to be committed to doing it. And

1197
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,920
it means more than we just you know, I

1198
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,640
write a letter and say yes, we're going

1199
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,920
to, and then nothing's been done because

1200
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,400
I know the last couple of years I've

1201
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,120
asked multiple times, okay, what are we

1202
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,280
doing? Um and we and we haven't done we

1203
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,160
haven't done it.

1204
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,320
>> What are the options? Like what

1205
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,080
>> Well, so so I I'll tell you some things.

1206
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,520
You know, one thing they said we had a

1207
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,480
pickleball court. Well, well, we do. So,

1208
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,320
and we do have a pickleball tournament

1209
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,040
with Hooper Tomato Days, so that can

1210
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,360
count as far as the active living. Um

1211
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,200
you know, so I'll just tell you cuz I

1212
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,800
went through and make kind of make some

1213
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,400
notes cuz like I said, I like all this

1214
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,720
kind of stuff. Um years ago, when we

1215
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,080
very first started and there was a

1216
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,720
Healthy Utah designation, and we're

1217
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,120
talking probably 18 years ago. There

1218
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,440
were some things and I at that time was

1219
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,360
a

1220
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,880
volunteer. And we had students that came

1221
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,120
and helped us from Weber State, and we

1222
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,880
ended up um we had

1223
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,240
like we did a walk with the mayor, we

1224
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,320
did some other historical walks, we

1225
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,960
would give pedometers, there were some

1226
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,360
other things that we did along with

1227
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,080
that. Then and they used to give us

1228
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,360
money. Well, then they quit

1229
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,600
giving us they did away with the

1230
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,040
program, and then they came back with

1231
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,280
this one, which they don't give us

1232
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,360
money, but we need to start. That was

1233
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,880
one of the everyone one suggestion, you

1234
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,040
know, they would give us some money. So,

1235
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,160
some active living things we could do.

1236
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,040
We already do the pickleball tournament,

1237
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,920
we kind of talked about maybe having a

1238
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,640
three-on-three basketball tournament

1239
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,800
would be healthy living. One thing that

1240
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,080
the with the um America 250 that they

1241
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,600
have suggested is having like people

1242
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,280
walk 250 miles. So, we could start like

1243
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,240
June and keep track to the end of the

1244
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,760
year, you know, and people no longer

1245
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640
do like keep track on paper. They all

1246
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,960
would would have to do some kind of

1247
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,880
Google Doc that people could keep track.

1248
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,080
We do the 5K race for Hooper Tomato

1249
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,120
Days. We did used to have a family bike

1250
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,520
ride with Tomato Days, but then they it

1251
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,640
that went away. But we could have a

1252
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,120
family bike ride, anything that as far

1253
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,840
as active living that is encouraging for

1254
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,440
people to be healthy and walking.

1255
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,400
>> Didn't we have a volleyball tournament?

1256
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,960
>> We have a volleyball tournament. Mhm.

1257
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,440
>> That counts.

1258
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,440
>> Yeah, that would Yeah. I mean, we are

1259
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,320
doing but those are specific we do those

1260
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,600
once a year, but is there anything we're

1261
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,880
doing to actually encourage people to

1262
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,280
>> what keeps it going. It's something

1263
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,600
that's just part of our community that

1264
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,640
the community does all of the It's just

1265
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,520
part of our lifestyle.

1266
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,840
>> Yeah. So, we need to have something that we do. I mean, are we So,

1267
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,480
I did a wellness program for the Forest

1268
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,920
Service for a number of years and we did

1269
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,040
all these active campaigns all the time.

1270
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,600
So, stuff like this like I said, well,

1271
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,000
then then we'll go on. But we need to

1272
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,520
come up with something if we are going

1273
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,400
to do it, if not, I'm not going to say

1274
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,840
we're going to redesignate and then we

1275
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,520
don't do one thing with it because

1276
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,480
that's what's happened. We have We

1277
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,320
haven't done anything. You know, it says

1278
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,280
here we're supposed to have this

1279
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,400
community coalition. Well, we're already

1280
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,960
part of

1281
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,840
the Western Weber CTC that we could

1282
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,400
help, you know, we're already part of a

1283
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,600
coalition. So, that would count. So, it

1284
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,480
says, you know, um you have to have your

1285
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,600
own coalition, which I don't believe we

1286
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,200
have one or had one, or identify one

1287
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,320
that already exists. Well, there is

1288
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,600
already one that already exists that we

1289
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,280
could be part of that coalition. Okay,

1290
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,280
so those are things with active um

1291
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,960
access to healthy food. One thing that

1292
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,680
Hooper said before is that we were going

1293
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:00,720
to have

1294
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,080
um healthy things on our website. Well,

1295
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,680
I and on Facebook and I and I don't know

1296
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,720
that we did that. I never ever saw that.

1297
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,360
So, again, we can't just say we're going

1298
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,400
to do it if we don't ever do it. So,

1299
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,880
that, you know, unless with the forest

1300
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:15,880
service.

1301
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,640
I mean, there's simple campaigns you can

1302
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,440
do as far as healthy food. Like, we had

1303
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,040
a water card where people had to keep

1304
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,400
track of if they drank so much water

1305
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,280
every day. You think that seems so

1306
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,960
simple, but it's really not because not

1307
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,040
a lot of people drink enough water. But

1308
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,560
again, you know, we had a little card,

1309
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,960
but they wouldn't do that because but

1310
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,600
people could keep track. Um we had like

1311
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,000
a eating vegetables campaign. You're

1312
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,360
supposed to be eating three to five

1313
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,720
vegetables a day, which most Americans

1314
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,080
don't. But again, or you know, um you're

1315
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,440
supposed to be eating two to four fruits

1316
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,520
a day, which we don't. We've kind of

1317
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,000
talked about we could maybe do a as with

1318
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,800
staff cuz I was telling them all, you

1319
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,440
know, my ideas. Um we could do maybe a

1320
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,160
farm to table share because when it

1321
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,760
comes time with gardens, people have

1322
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,200
leftover stuff that we could maybe make

1323
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,960
it something outside, use one of our

1324
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,160
little

1325
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,320
We have those little portable houses,

1326
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,520
and then people could bring their

1327
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,640
leftover zucchini, and people would

1328
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,760
always know they could come and check,

1329
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,280
and you could share that. Um someone at

1330
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,400
this meeting I was to city I can't

1331
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,920
remember now what city they lived in. It

1332
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,480
was a small one.

1333
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,160
I don't remember now, but they said it

1334
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,360
was not uncommon to go into the post

1335
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,360
office and see zucchini there on the

1336
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:26,800
calendar.

1337
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,840
>> a that's a great idea.

1338
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,040
>> But we're not going to do that, Ryan,

1339
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,200
but we could do it up front. We could

1340
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,040
have something cuz sometimes there is

1341
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,760
leftover.

1342
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,880
>> Postal carriers can drop your mail, grab

1343
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,640
your zucchini, and take it back.

1344
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,120
>> But they could bring them. And then, you

1345
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,720
know, we have our health fair that could

1346
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,920
go along, you know, with this, too. Um

1347
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,760
as far as mental health, again, we have

1348
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,360
the health fair.

1349
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,480
You know, someone suggested about

1350
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,120
offering first aid classes that we could

1351
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,120
teach people CPR, you know, first aid.

1352
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,360
Again, we have the Western Weber CTC

1353
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,680
that offers classes all the time. They

1354
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,200
call it um mental health first aid,

1355
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,200
where you come and learn about helping

1356
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,200
to identify people that could have

1357
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,120
stress issues or suicidal thoughts or,

1358
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,360
you know,

1359
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,040
Anyway, so my question is, and we don't

1360
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,680
have to decide this tonight cuz this is

1361
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,880
just a discussion item, but is this

1362
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,280
something we want to keep doing because for me if I'm going to write a

1363
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,880
letter and say we're going to do it,

1364
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,280
then we better be committed to doing it.

1365
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,160
If we're not, then we can be one of

1366
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,960
those cities that doesn't re-designate.

1367
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,520
So,

1368
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,240
thoughts.

1369
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,960
>> So, putting a big movie screen out here

1370
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,680
and serving hot dogs and potato chips

1371
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,280
>> Probably not going to qualify.

1372
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,800
>> Okay, that could count though under

1373
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:47,600
health, you know,

1374
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,320
>> Mental health for me, huh?

1375
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,960
>> Yeah, any of the community events can

1376
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,880
count towards mental health, but like I

1377
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,840
say, the coalition specifically does do

1378
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,760
mental health. I mean, you could always

1379
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,760
do We used to call them lunch and learns

1380
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,600
at the Forest Service, but we would

1381
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,200
actually have a speaker that would come,

1382
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,120
you know,

1383
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,680
>> So,

1384
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,920
you know, I don't know if you're

1385
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,200
thinking

1386
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,880
just go go big or go home or do we just

1387
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,840
start something small this year and add

1388
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,720
to it each year until we get our feet

1389
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,600
under it and find out what's

1390
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,440
how it's working.

1391
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,720
You know, I I don't know. I'm just

1392
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:26,880
throwing

1393
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,880
>> So, so you have to when you apply

1394
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,000
because

1395
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,200
So, so we should have been working on

1396
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,840
this all along and because what they'll

1397
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,480
do is they'll come back to your our city

1398
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,880
and they do a little video and they

1399
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,360
present it at this you'll see it in

1400
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,880
October. And they'll say, "Hooper City

1401
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,280
was doing this and this and they've

1402
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,640
expanded to this."

1403
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,640
We can't say Hooper City was going to do

1404
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,240
it and and then we have a blank a blank

1405
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,840
screen. So, we do have to kind of we we

1406
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,680
would need to come up with some goals of

1407
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,800
some things we're going to work on.

1408
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,040
I am more than happy to do this because

1409
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,000
I love all this kind of stuff anyway.

1410
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,200
Like I said, my degree is in health. I

1411
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,920
have experience doing this, but it still

1412
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,760
has to be something as a city if we

1413
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,360
think there is value in this. Um, when

1414
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,160
we used to do it before, and back then

1415
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,040
we'd get get pedometers. That was one of

1416
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,560
the things, but now everyone keeps track

1417
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,800
on their, you know, watches or whatever.

1418
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,520
No one carries pedometers anymore.

1419
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,400
We could try some things. So, that's one

1420
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,600
thing you try. If it works, great. If

1421
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,480
people don't like it, great, then you

1422
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,520
come up with something else. But, I

1423
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,000
think

1424
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,600
I don't think they I think they mean if

1425
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:36,960
we're going to sign up that we're

1426
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,160
committed to doing something. South Salt

1427
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,600
Lake does it. Have you heard about this?

1428
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,000
>> Mhm.

1429
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,840
>> Do they do?

1430
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,960
>> They do. I I'm trying to Are you lumping

1431
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,880
this under the tomato day

1432
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,080
discussion?

1433
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,360
This uh

1434
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,080
discussion, yeah.

1435
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,480
>> Yeah. Kind of lumping. Yeah.

1436
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,560
>> I Yeah. I think it's great. And we have

1437
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:55,720
something similar, but I think we should

1438
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,120
put it on another agenda.

1439
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:57,840
>> And

1440
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,800
we And we need to vote on it too if if

1441
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,360
we even want to. But, anyway, most of

1442
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,200
the stuff went along with tomato days.

1443
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,840
If we wanted to do a three-on-three, you

1444
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,200
know, with the volleyball, and but

1445
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,360
anyway, take these, look at them, and

1446
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,680
we'll put it on a discussion because it

1447
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,880
will have to be something we vote on.

1448
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,240
Whether we really want to do it or we

1449
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:21,440
don't want to do it.

1450
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:21,760
You know.

1451
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,640
>> And the idea is to do it year after year.

1452
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,720
>> year.

1453
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:26,200
Mhm.

1454
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,280
>> Something the city keeps

1455
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,000
>> So, this is like a three-year plan.

1456
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,880
>> At least.

1457
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,000
>> So, this is not like our deputy city

1458
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,760
recorder could just be over and do the

1459
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:35,840
whole thing.

1460
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,880
>> Uh, no. We're not putting that on a

1461
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,240
>> Well, she could.

1462
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,120
do that, but

1463
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,080
>> Yeah. No, but but

1464
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,160
we don't want that to be one I And I

1465
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,840
already said that. I'm not going to get

1466
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,680
this thing. But, but it This really is

1467
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,960
under us, you know. So, we will put it

1468
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,000
on a and we will vote and see if it's

1469
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,520
something we really want to do or we

1470
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,240
don't. So. one of the things I talked

1471
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:01,040
about was a farmer's market at Tomato

1472
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Days, but that

1473
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,000
never really

1474
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,400
came to fruition.

1475
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,560
>> That shouldn't be that hard to put

1476
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,120
together.

1477
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,440
>> Yeah, the people they don't really have

1478
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,280
the crops anymore to do it. We have a

1479
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,360
hard time getting proper tomatoes at

1480
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,680
Tomato Days.

1481
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,280
>> Yeah, but I think you get people to come

1482
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,840
from out of town and you can bring stuff

1483
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,840
to the farmer's market.

1484
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,280
Yeah, people all over the Salt Lake do

1485
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,200
the farmer's market.

1486
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,160
>> Not not by September.

1487
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,360
We get peaches and

1488
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,120
honey.

1489
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,040
>> I don't know if there'll be any peaches

1490
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:29,800
this year. There ain't going to be

1491
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,960
>> No, this year we won't even have

1492
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,560
peaches. And if there's no peaches,

1493
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,080
maybe we have no bees. So, that could be

1494
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,840
a problem, too.

1495
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,640
So, okay.

1496
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,760
everything then discussion on

1497
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,560
agenda items. Was there anything we

1498
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,720
still have a few minutes? Did anybody

1499
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,400
want to do before most of our stuff

1500
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,400
tonight is just discussion things that

1501
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,480
we're going to be talking about, so

1502
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,000
>> One thing that I

1503
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,960
do have

1504
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,360
You know, that's on the trail properties

1505
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,760
lease. So, that one thing needs to be

1506
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,360
corrected right there in the middle cuz

1507
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,920
that makes no sense.

1508
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,120
And there's another thing here on the

1509
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,440
trail properties lease that says family

1510
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,400
designated as a family, that's a person

1511
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,240
living alone to a more persons related

1512
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:13,240
by blood or marriage or a group of not

1513
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,480
more than 10 persons who need not be

1514
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,080
related by blood or marriage.

1515
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:17,880
>> And you're talking about a care

1516
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,440
facility?

1517
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,200
>> care facility.

1518
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,360
>> facility code.

1519
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:20,680
>> Yeah.

1520
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,000
>> Okay, is that what that is?

1521
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:22,440
>> Yes.

1522
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,960
>> Yeah, so we'll talk about that, too.

1523
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,040
>> Okay, when you're talking about that

1524
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:25,640
>> What about the

1525
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,520
>> And then the section code changes there.

1526
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,440
>> Yeah.

1527
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,960
>> Related to trails, it wouldn't make any

1528
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,240
sense.

1529
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:30,920
>> No.

1530
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,480
>> What item on the trail lease did you

1531
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,320
mention?

1532
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,800
>> Just in the middle of the thing that

1533
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,040
says whereas the city would like to have

1534
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,200
this access one there's a like a a one

1535
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:41,960
not an isolated

1536
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,960
>> Oh, you're in the actual agreement.

1537
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,320
Okay.

1538
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,200
>> The trail lease.

1539
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,520
>> Yeah, there's just a line right there in

1540
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,080
the middle.

1541
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:47,880
>> Whereas the city

1542
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,960
>> Maybe punctuation is bad, but the way

1543
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,680
>> one not an isolated ability

1544
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,640
>> Yeah, that

1545
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:54,960
>> if at one point there was a two, there

1546
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,320
was a list here and I don't know.

1547
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,920
>> Yeah, I don't know. It just that didn't

1548
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,160
make any sense when we read it. It's

1549
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,630
like, yeah, that don't make any sense.

1550
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,680
That's an easy fix. I'm not saying it's

1551
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,190
a hard fix, it just needs to be fixed.

1552
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,200
» Hey,

1553
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,000
well, if nothing else then

1554
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,720
>> Have we ever given any thought to

1555
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:17,480
implementing a restriction of data

1556
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,680
centers?

1557
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,040
>> Have

1558
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,240
>> Is there such a thing

1559
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:23,280
in the city in the state of New York?

1560
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,360
>> Well, I mean, we're I think that's a

1561
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,720
great thing to put on an agenda.

1562
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:28,640
>> I think you finished.

1563
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,880
>> Yeah, we should probably put it on the

1564
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,880
>> Are people exploring that at all?

1565
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,160
>> Is that that that you've heard?

1566
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,920
>> Um, I think it's being explored. Yeah,

1567
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,280
everywhere.

1568
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:37,880
That's something that

1569
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,320
>> of Florida was exploring it for the

1570
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:39,760
entire state.

1571
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,120
>> Yeah, I think it's everywhere in the

1572
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,160
nation, so.

1573
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,320
>> Um, I think it's said DJ, oh, go ahead.

1574
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,200
>> Yeah, something that we should

1575
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,640
probably not discuss today, I think.

1576
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:49,800
>> Put it on the agenda down the

1577
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,280
>> agenda. I think that's something we

1578
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,520
could

1579
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,840
And we have a lot of land here, right? A

1580
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,680
lot of land, so it's

1581
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:58,920
something good to discuss.

1582
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,640
>> One thing that Sherry mentioned to me

1583
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:01,960
and as you guys have a discussion on

1584
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,360
this, my only ask from a staff

1585
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,400
standpoint would just be these are broad

1586
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,920
in and of themselves. Some of them may

1587
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,240
be simple, we'll see how the character

1588
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:09,560
facility is. You actually briefly go

1589
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,400
over them, it might be a simple

1590
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,080
numerical change, but

1591
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,950
as we identify topics,

1592
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,600
if you can help prioritize them in my

1593
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,560
mind, cuz we have two right now that'll

1594
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,280
go to planning commission, right? That

1595
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,000
we're going to work on and this is four

1596
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,680
more items and I realize they're small,

1597
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,040
but they can be robust, especially if

1598
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,640
the determination is is we don't have an

1599
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,240
ordinance, we should create an ordinance

1600
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:34,680
or we should, you know, modify an

1601
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,920
ordinance extensively. So, and then if

1602
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,280
you can help prioritize the ones that

1603
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,520
feel really significant and ones that

1604
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,080
don't, so that we can make sure we're

1605
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,400
getting them and making it actionable

1606
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,440
and really moving on them. And then

1607
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,640
also,

1608
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,800
it might be interesting if one of you

1609
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,200
have a particular interest in one of

1610
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,360
them. I'm not trying to, you know, push

1611
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,080
my job off, but uh that's what I'm going

1612
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:51,880
to start doing with the planning

1613
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,280
commission to an extent because I don't

1614
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,360
have I mean I have a lot of land use

1615
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,320
experience here and some expertise on

1616
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,000
zoning, etc., but motor vehicles, I

1617
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,160
guess you suppose you can stretch it to

1618
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,080
land use, but I'm not so sure that I

1619
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,680
have any more

1620
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,680
expertise than anybody. So, one of you

1621
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:07,600
feels like, "Yeah, I'm going to look

1622
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,440
into this a little or let's give it to

1623
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,600
planning commission." And I can help

1624
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:11,880
kind of see if there's someone wants to

1625
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,720
champion that, and then obviously staff

1626
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:15,440
will advise and give as much comments

1627
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,560
possible, but I think the more we can

1628
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,840
prioritize and then kind of have someone

1629
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,640
own it and so it's not just a fleeting

1630
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,400
thing. I'd like to just see these things

1631
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,800
move and actually get some transition to

1632
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,200
them or some traction to them so that we

1633
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,920
get some things, you know, approved and changed. So.

1634
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,440
yeah, just let me just let me know

1635
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,560
as you guys see today this one feels

1636
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,000
really important to me to get on it, and

1637
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,760
I think that I have some expertise here,

1638
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,080
etc. And I'll I'll leverage your guys'

1639
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:41,960
abilities.

1640
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,040
>> And while we're here with the care

1641
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,800
facility, um

1642
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,160
just while we're at this work meeting,

1643
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,360
this is obviously going to flow up to

1644
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,120
the next meeting. But, the state code,

1645
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,640
there's a specific state code that

1646
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,320
requires that requires cities to not

1647
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,360
regulate residential facilities. Um this

1648
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,440
has been passed down from the feds, so

1649
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,760
we cannot regulate to the extent allowed

1650
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,680
by law. So, there's only certain reasons

1651
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,520
why we'd be able to regulate it, and

1652
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,640
it's because the state has said that we

1653
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,720
can't say that a single family unit is

1654
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,320
less than four.

1655
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,000
So, our code is wrong.

1656
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,040
Um we need to fix that. So, it's been

1657
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,640
updated in the state code, so we can't

1658
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,760
say that a a single family is less than

1659
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:22,840
four.

1660
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,480
So, because of that number,

1661
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,920
we could reply require conditional use

1662
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,200
for these types of facilities for

1663
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,880
more than four.

1664
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,120
So, sorry for Yeah. So, for more than

1665
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:36,520
four.

1666
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,560
>> What does your code say?

1667
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,960
>> Say that last statement.

1668
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,000
>> Our code doesn't have any kind of it

1669
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,920
doesn't make it a conditional use unless

1670
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,600
it's eight or more.

1671
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,920
>> Say that last statement again. The state

1672
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,680
code if it's less than four, we can't

1673
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,160
make it No, we Can you clarify that?

1674
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,760
>> Yeah, so a single-family limit So, a

1675
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,360
single-family dwelling

1676
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,880
the smallest that we could have it be is

1677
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,240
four unless we are a certain type of

1678
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,800
like a a college town.

1679
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,110
So, four.

1680
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,760
That's why

1681
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:07,800
we can

1682
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,160
make it a conditional use

1683
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,720
to if there's a facility like this

1684
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,160
of more than four

1685
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,240
So, we can we can still regulate it even

1686
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:18,320
though there's a state code that says

1687
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,320
you cannot regulate those facilities.

1688
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,400
If it's more than four, we can.

1689
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,120
>> That's a good example. You said it was a

1690
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,000
residential, right?

1691
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,480
>> In a residential zone.

1692
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,000
>> What about commercial zone?

1693
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,600
>> In commercial

1694
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,320
Well, it depends. That That would be up

1695
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,040
to you guys. It It would be allowed.

1696
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,320
It That'd be up to the code.

1697
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,120
So, but I'm The problem is in

1698
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,680
residential.

1699
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,160
I I guess the issue, sorry, not problem.

1700
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,120
The issue and that's what it

1701
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,080
specifically says is in residential, you

1702
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,200
can't regulate it.

1703
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,560
>> Okay.

1704
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:50,720
>> Yeah. So,

1705
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:51,680
>> We have a minute. What are our

1706
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,440
definitions for family? All right, so

1707
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:53,920
you go to

1708
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,120
>> I think it's two,

1709
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,200
isn't it?

1710
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,240
No, no, sorry. It's two and then

1711
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,440
10.

1712
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,240
So, it's two if you're if you're a

1713
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:03,080
family. If you're married

1714
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,320
>> or more persons related by blood or

1715
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:04,920
marriage, okay.

1716
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,400
>> A group of not more than 10 persons

1717
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,280
related by blood, okay. Related by blood

1718
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,520
and then there is what The next number

1719
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,840
>> Eight or fewer unrelated mentally and or

1720
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,830
>> Yeah, yeah.

1721
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,760
» So, how would that apply to our

1722
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:18,960
situation before?

1723
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,040
>> Oh, I was just explaining the

1724
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,840
reasoning when we can make the

1725
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,120
conditional use. This state code

1726
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,360
says basically you can't regulate these.

1727
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,000
>> Sure.

1728
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,800
>> But we can as a family conditional code

1729
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,560
of the family.

1730
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,360
>> Understood.

1731
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:33,960
>> Does that make sense?

1732
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:34,680
>> Yeah, it does.

1733
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,400
>> So, we probably need to make dual

1734
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,150
changes.

1735
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,640
» So, when we go out there, you want to do

1736
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,200
this paragraph by paragraph and we'll

1737
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,680
get it. So,

1738
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,640
Okay. Thank you very much. Very good

1739
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:57,110
meeting.

1740
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,000
» So, Larry, did you leave a pen there or

1741
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:20,310
not?

1742
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,280
Did you leave a pen there?

1743
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:34,310
>> Yeah.

1744
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:35,000
Hey, Bruce.

1745
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,960
>> He did it on time, didn't he?

1746
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,800
>> The third time's the charm, right?

1747
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,440
>> Hello. We'll see.

1748
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:52,270
>> You wish I would like to see it.

1749
00:56:52,280 --> 00:57:02,830
I got three. Which one do you

1750
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:33,670
Probably no more than I would expect.

1751
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,440
» Two things that I got

1752
00:57:36,440 --> 00:58:12,190
Okay.

1753
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,600
» Uh yeah, I don't know what to tell him

1754
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:42,590
if he's not waiting here.

1755
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:43,240
Uh

1756
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,880
to be determined. We're seeing him at

1757
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,350
the gym.

1758
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,760
Yeah, that would be great.

1759
00:58:49,760 --> 00:59:01,390
We can find him at the court.

1760
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:16,590
We can connect him at the court.

1761
00:59:16,600 --> 01:00:13,950
Yeah.

1762
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,080
» We would like to welcome you to the City

1763
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Council meeting for Hurricane City. It

1764
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,240
is May 21st, 2026.

1765
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,480
We apologize we're having some technical

1766
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,640
difficulties tonight, so you probably

1767
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,440
won't be able to see the meeting, but

1768
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,040
you should still be able to hear it.

1769
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,600
And if that doesn't work, it will be

1770
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,520
recorded and will be posted to our

1771
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,720
website later on. We love technology

1772
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,120
until it doesn't work.

1773
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,720
We want to excuse Council member Craig.

1774
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,440
He is at his daughter's graduation

1775
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,320
tonight and he may be joining us on Zoom

1776
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,320
depending on how long that graduation

1777
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,160
goes.

1778
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,680
I'm sure being among the mayor and I

1779
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,120
will be conducting this meeting.

1780
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,960
We are going to have our opening

1781
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,040
ceremony, a pledge of allegiance by

1782
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:00,800
Council member Fawers, and then a

1783
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,760
reverence by Council member La Plata.

1784
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,240
>> Everybody, please stand.

1785
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,920
And repeat after me.

1786
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,920
I pledge allegiance to the flag

1787
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,640
of the United States of America,

1788
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,920
and to the republic for which it stands,

1789
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,000
one nation under God, indivisible, with

1790
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:30,910
liberty and justice for all.

1791
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,280
» Our Father in heaven, we are indeed

1792
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,960
grateful that we can meet here tonight

1793
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:35,840
with

1794
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,960
our residents and with the city council

1795
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,960
and everyone that's involved.

1796
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,360
We're grateful for this little community

1797
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,920
that we have to live in

1798
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,640
and for those that

1799
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,360
helped us to

1800
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,960
achieve those goals that we're seeking

1801
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,320
for

1802
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,920
a happy place to live and a good place

1803
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,960
to live.

1804
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,840
We're grateful for all all that thou

1805
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,600
blessest us with. We're grateful for the

1806
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,480
moisture that we've received this year

1807
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:03,880
and we ask that

1808
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,360
continue to bless us with more moisture

1809
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,080
in our

1810
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,800
homes and

1811
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,160
uh help us all without end.

1812
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,440
We ask thee bless uh us during this

1813
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:14,440
meeting

1814
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,280
that we will be able to discuss uh the

1815
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,320
agenda items that we

1816
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,080
have before us and that we will be able

1817
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,920
to come up with good resolutions and

1818
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,800
discussions and

1819
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,160
we ask thee that

1820
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,720
bless those that will be addressing the

1821
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,600
council today

1822
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,320
that they will share their thoughts and

1823
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,280
be calm and

1824
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:38,320
uh

1825
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:39,800
that we can all

1826
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,520
leave this

1827
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,000
meeting this night and still be friends

1828
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,160
and be able to enjoy each other's

1829
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,240
companionship.

1830
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,800
This we pray for in the name of thy son

1831
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,150
Jesus Christ.

1832
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,240
» Thank you.

1833
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:56,880
Just a couple of announcements I wanted

1834
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,360
to make. Our May newsletter is on our

1835
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,320
website. So, make sure you check that

1836
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,200
out. There's a lot of good important

1837
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,600
information. We want to thank all of

1838
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,040
those that came and helped us put the

1839
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,760
flags on the cemetery yesterday and

1840
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,720
that's honoring the veterans in honor of

1841
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,160
our Memorial Day that's coming up. I

1842
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:17,600
don't know how many of you noticed, but

1843
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,040
back on the table there is our proposed

1844
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,560
property tax impact schedule. And so, if

1845
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,960
you haven't already picked up a a copy

1846
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,000
of that, make sure you do. That it talks

1847
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,320
about the proposed tax that we are Heber

1848
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,240
is

1849
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,400
contemplating doing a truth in taxation.

1850
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,400
The next on our agenda then is our

1851
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,920
public comments. You will have 3 minutes

1852
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,160
if you'll come up and state your name in

1853
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,400
the microphone. And and we

1854
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,000
we're there to hear those comments now.

1855
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,950
Is there anyone?

1856
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,880
» I just had a quick thought while I was

1857
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,720
sitting there and you guys were talking

1858
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:56,960
about like the healthy

1859
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:57,560
>> State your name.

1860
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,600
>> initiative. Oh, my name is Nicole Brown.

1861
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:00,720
Sorry.

1862
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:01,880
Um

1863
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,600
I One of the things I love about Tomato

1864
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,000
Days is the farmers' market when you can

1865
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,880
go in and buy like the local farmers

1866
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,240
like all of their

1867
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,200
you know, crops and stuff like that. And

1868
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,880
maybe if we did like a farmers' market

1869
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,440
or something once a month in the parking

1870
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:19,920
lot. I don't know. It was just an idea

1871
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,000
that I wanted to talk about. And

1872
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,840
healthy.

1873
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,840
>> Okay, thank you.

1874
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:30,270
Any other comments?

1875
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,400
» I'm a little taller than my sister.

1876
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,640
My name is Michelle Pinkston.

1877
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,000
I work for Heber Irrigation. I'm here

1878
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,280
representing them. And I have a little

1879
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,200
statement that I want to read.

1880
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:43,880
Heber Irrigation values its

1881
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,560
long-standing relationship with Heber

1882
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:46,720
City.

1883
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,320
And

1884
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,800
I need my glasses. I'm wondering why I

1885
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,080
can't see. And has consistently treated

1886
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,200
the city in the same manner as all other

1887
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,120
shareholders in accordance with the

1888
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,080
company's articles of incorporation and

1889
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,360
bylaws.

1890
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,960
For more than a century, Heber

1891
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,440
Irrigation has worked to serve this

1892
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,960
community fairly, responsibly, and

1893
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,000
consistently.

1894
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,520
Our goal remains to ensure that all

1895
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,280
shareholders and water users are treated

1896
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,120
equally under the policies and governing

1897
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,640
documents that apply to everyone.

1898
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,400
Upper Irrigation is not seeking

1899
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,080
litigation and remains committed to

1900
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,480
cooperation, transparency, and practical

1901
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,520
solutions. We remain willing

1902
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,280
to meet with city representatives at any

1903
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,800
time to discuss concerns, review

1904
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,480
documentation, and work constructively

1905
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,920
toward resolution as we have throughout

1906
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,280
the long history of both the company and

1907
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,240
the city. We recognize there are

1908
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,880
differing viewpoints regarding these

1909
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,960
matters, and we also recognize the

1910
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,440
public interest surrounding them.

1911
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,800
However, Upper Irrigation believes these

1912
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,280
issues are best addressed through

1913
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,800
accurate information, respectful

1914
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,320
communication, and good-faith discussion

1915
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:55,960
rather than public conflict or

1916
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,640
speculation. Our focus will remain on

1917
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,000
protecting the integrity of the company,

1918
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,240
serving our shareholders responsibly,

1919
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,320
and maintaining productive relationships

1920
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,360
within the community moving forward.

1921
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,320
Sorry, I thought this was at the end, so

1922
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,800
I have a lot on my mind.

1923
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,680
Hopefully, everyone got that.

1924
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,910
Thank you.

1925
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:26,710
Are there any other public comments?

1926
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,320
» My name is Bruce Taylor, and uh

1927
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:30,760
Larry, you you you

1928
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,400
that prayer you really make a wreck of

1929
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,120
me, you know.

1930
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,200
All this kindness and friends and

1931
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,040
I'll tamper it down just a hair, okay?

1932
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,080
>> We'll still be friends.

1933
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,160
>> Yeah, we will, for sure, till we get on

1934
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,960
the basketball court again.

1935
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:47,600
Uh

1936
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:48,760
three things I want to talk about

1937
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,360
tonight, if I can. As some of you know,

1938
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,240
uh water Upper Water drilled a $12

1939
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,760
million well in my backyard.

1940
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,040
It will be built over the next 3 years.

1941
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,360
When property is bought for a well, it

1942
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,000
should be put in the middle of a field,

1943
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,440
and not behind a bunch of existing homes

1944
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:10,120
like it was in my place.

1945
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,240
Nobody cares until it's in your own

1946
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,800
backyard. Now, how do all the people in

1947
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,760
Snowville and Tremonton and all that

1948
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,840
feel right now? It Nobody cares until

1949
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,000
it's in your own backyard.

1950
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,910
Next item.

1951
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,600
Terra Strata, Stuart Adams, 40 acres.

1952
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,480
Not approved last year, but he'll be

1953
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,160
back this year and we all know it will

1954
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,240
all be approved this time. Once again,

1955
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,040
nobody cares

1956
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,680
until it's in your own backyard.

1957
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,640
New item, new subject.

1958
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,160
The house that Upper Water owns and

1959
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,320
rents,

1960
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:44,280
which

1961
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,000
is right next to me, now has nine large

1962
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,600
dogs that live in this house.

1963
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,400
They share my chain-link fence in my

1964
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,830
backyard.

1965
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,600
Hooper law says you can only have three

1966
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,870
dogs. Four to 10 dogs is a kennel.

1967
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,560
Their dogs bark constantly. This has

1968
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:04,000
gone on

1969
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,720
>> Recording in progress.

1970
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,600
>> The dogs bark constantly.

1971
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,760
They get out, they can't be caught. They

1972
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,400
run up and down the roads and they're

1973
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,040
wild. Anyway, I've called animal control

1974
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,920
in the our whole neighborhood has three

1975
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,080
times in the last year. They've come

1976
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,359
down and they help them catch them, put

1977
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:24,240
them away. When animal control ain't

1978
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,000
been available, we've had the county

1979
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,359
sheriff's been called and they've been

1980
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:28,839
down and they run up and down the

1981
01:08:28,839 --> 01:08:30,960
streets and they help them catch them

1982
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,359
and put them in there. This is the

1983
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:34,080
rental home that Upper Water owns that's

1984
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,600
right next to me.

1985
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:37,759
They've talked to them and talked to

1986
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:39,120
them and warned them and warned them,

1987
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,000
but they have nine dogs now instead of

1988
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,120
three.

1989
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,600
Nothing changes.

1990
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,400
Kathy and I have to go out our front

1991
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,200
door, sneak around our own house to the

1992
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,920
east side to get to our backyard because

1993
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,120
if we go out our back door, we have nine

1994
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,359
dogs barking at us.

1995
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:02,789
The law Hooper says three dogs.

1996
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:04,720
This is the house that

1997
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,080
is being rented one by Hooper Water and

1998
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,400
where it's a rental they are not

1999
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,880
eligible for a kennel license.

2000
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,640
Once again, if it's not in your

2001
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,640
backyard, nobody cares.

2002
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,680
I'd like the city to get involved with

2003
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,789
the dogs.

2004
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:24,920
Uh go to Hooper Water and uh Hooper

2005
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,279
Water tells me to go to Hooper City. Uh

2006
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,839
you all know the Hooper Water people.

2007
01:09:30,839 --> 01:09:32,400
Wayne and Corey and all of them, you

2008
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,080
know them better than I do. I'm not a

2009
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,040
old Hooper guy. I've only lived here 53

2010
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,960
years, but uh

2011
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:39,600
anyway, they're all good people over

2012
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,319
there. They make some poor decisions,

2013
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:44,240
but uh you know, it's their home.

2014
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,640
Uh it's being destroyed. They don't seem

2015
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,960
to really care. They say PMI is who

2016
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,520
manages it and they really don't want

2017
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,400
nothing to do with it.

2018
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,040
Everybody says it's all up on the east

2019
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,560
side of Hooper, it really ain't going to

2020
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,840
matter, but

2021
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,400
we really do have people that live up

2022
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:00,560
there, too.

2023
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,150
Thank you.

2024
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,280
» Thank you.

2025
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,710
Are there any other public comments?

2026
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:10,720
Okay.

2027
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,760
Um we will move on then. We do not have

2028
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,320
any public hearings tonight, so we're

2029
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,880
going to move on to discussion item. The

2030
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,440
first item we're going to discuss is our

2031
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,640
commercial and hobby kennel license.

2032
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,080
So, this was in the packet for those of

2033
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:28,680
you in the audience and city council,

2034
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,520
you already have a copy of this in your

2035
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,120
packet.

2036
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,600
This is something that has come up

2037
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,040
recently in planning commission and we

2038
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,680
thought this might be a good time to

2039
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,240
look at this and see if there's any

2040
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,080
changes we would like to make in our

2041
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,080
code.

2042
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,080
Maybe before we

2043
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,560
start that, maybe you could Darren give

2044
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,400
us a little explanation as far as what

2045
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,520
limitations we have as far as state code

2046
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:55,680
with

2047
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,400
dog breeds and so forth.

2048
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:58,320
>> Well,

2049
01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:59,400
I think we already we already discussed

2050
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:00,000
this at planning

2051
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,720
>> commission.

2052
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,200
Cities cannot regulate on what type of

2053
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,640
breeds of a dog are allowed in the city.

2054
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,680
That's just outright in state code can't

2055
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,480
allow it. Um,

2056
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:14,440
but with hobby kennels, we don't need to

2057
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:15,880
allow that.

2058
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:22,720
So, just so I just want to give you the zoning authority that the city has a pretty broad authority.

2059
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,400
We don't need a hobby kennel

2060
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,400
in the AZ zone. We can regulate hobby

2061
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,160
kennels. We can change the number that

2062
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:31,760
we want to have there. That's something

2063
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,160
that would would be the broad authority that

2064
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,000
the city would have.

2065
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,960
Um, the this there's already a

2066
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,280
requirement that how many dogs can we

2067
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,920
have in the court? Up to four. Up to

2068
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:43,480
three.

2069
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:44,360
>> Four you need a kennel.

2070
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,080
>> Up to three and then you need a hobby

2071
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,040
kennel to go forward. And then we have

2072
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,160
commercial kennels and that's a

2073
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:50,920
completely different code.

2074
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,440
Um, but for hobby kennels, I just wanted

2075
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:54,200
to to put that out there. The authority

2076
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,840
that the city has for that specifically.

2077
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,040
There's nowhere in the state code that

2078
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,120
requires a city to have it.

2079
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,320
Which means that you have broad

2080
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:02,960
authority to make changes there. So,

2081
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,040
there's I wanted to just outright put

2082
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,000
the law out there for you um, so that

2083
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,920
you guys can discuss

2084
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,280
um,

2085
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:11,480
what you want going forward cuz it's

2086
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:13,480
really broad

2087
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:15,960
on what you want.

2088
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,240
>> Okay, thank you. And Malcolm, do you

2089
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,320
have something also that you've kind of

2090
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,080
done some

2091
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,000
research on this dealing with planning

2092
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,680
commission?

2093
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,800
>> No. No, we uh,

2094
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,400
this would be similar to how we talked

2095
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,480
about in our meeting. Just give me your

2096
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:33,720
guys' direction on what priorities you

2097
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,360
want and then we'll get to work on

2098
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,720
things. I would just uh, piggyback on

2099
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,640
what Darren had to say.

2100
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,640
Similar, you guys talked about this and

2101
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,440
maybe it's just a reminder. You guys

2102
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:46,120
mentioned potentially looking at the

2103
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,520
number of dogs, zones that permitted in

2104
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,680
and maybe even uh, registering

2105
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,320
requirements. There's some things that

2106
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,720
other cities have. Uh,

2107
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,360
I just wanted to bring up a few things

2108
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,120
just to practice your conversation and

2109
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,680
maybe direct it. I think a good way to

2110
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,600
approach it counselor and Opolka

2111
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,360
mentioned we probably have a lot of

2112
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,040
people in Orono who actually have more

2113
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,440
than three dogs and don't want to get a

2114
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:10,720
license.

2115
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,080
I'm not so sure the number's the

2116
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,280
problem. It's probably exemplified by

2117
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,520
that point, right? We probably all live

2118
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,440
by people who have more dogs than are

2119
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:19,720
permitted.

2120
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,520
Um what happens is when someone does

2121
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:22,680
come in and

2122
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,600
it becomes a public outcry and I think

2123
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,960
that we make the number larger, but I

2124
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,320
think we just control the things that we

2125
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,560
can best control, meaning I think our

2126
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:31,840
ordinance does a good job of

2127
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,120
contemplating usage, right? Personal use

2128
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,520
within a hobby kennel, breeding,

2129
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,480
hunting, training, learning hobby.

2130
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:42,520
Uh commercial kennels are more for, you

2131
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:43,600
know,

2132
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,000
uh to to earn money selling of dogs and

2133
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,440
things of that nature. Um so I would

2134
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:50,640
focus on usage. Some other things that

2135
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,120
got brought up on our last kennel

2136
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,680
license were the kennel, the actual

2137
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,200
enclosure, those are things maybe we

2138
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,480
could talk about. Um the site, fencing,

2139
01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:00,960
there's any type of ordinances related

2140
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,200
to that. Odor, um odor control, that's

2141
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,320
obviously something that got brought up

2142
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,160
and I think something that we could,

2143
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,280
you know, formalize in an ordinance. And

2144
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:11,880
then noise, I think that's also

2145
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,800
something we could address via ordinance

2146
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,080
that our ordinance doesn't do a great

2147
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:16,360
job of. So if you guys want to have

2148
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,560
further discussion and want to

2149
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:19,800
push this forward, those are all things

2150
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,840
I think that are

2151
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,000
legal and other things that are

2152
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,000
controllable and that could be, you

2153
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,480
know, beneficial.

2154
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:29,200
Um and then I think as we got a better

2155
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,840
policy, maybe even a final discussion

2156
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:32,920
would be do you want these done

2157
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,640
administratively

2158
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,480
um to a certain extent and do you want

2159
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:38,120
them done or do you want them done

2160
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,440
conditionally as a conditional use? If

2161
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:42,920
you had a really great ordinance,

2162
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,440
and I'm I'm not sure which would be the

2163
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:45,880
best method. You'd have a broad

2164
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,320
ordinance that would cover everybody,

2165
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,040
and then we could administratively apply

2166
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,640
it. We're going to have conditional

2167
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,360
uses. That's obviously some questions

2168
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,000
for Darren, but then I think just the

2169
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,240
final piece of that we think it's

2170
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,560
interesting is I look through ours in a

2171
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,680
commercial kennel, it's permitted in an

2172
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:05,120
R1 zone, potentially an R75 or 3/4 zone,

2173
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,240
depending on we have a couple

2174
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,120
ordinances, but probably both

2175
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:09,320
technically.

2176
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,320
And then a hobby kennel is permitted. It

2177
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,000
doesn't exclude any zones, so I think it

2178
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,600
would be principally it would be

2179
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,680
conditionally permitted in any zone. I

2180
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,000
think that may be something you want to

2181
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,040
address. From my standpoint, I'm not so

2182
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,880
sure that an R4 or an R3

2183
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,040
would qualify for a kennel. For

2184
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,520
instance, our animal units you have to

2185
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:30,200
have 20,000 sq ft minimum or half acre

2186
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,240
to get any animal units. Yet, you could

2187
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,000
technically apply for a conditional use

2188
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,400
for a hobby kennel under

2189
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:39,600
any zoning.

2190
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:40,960
>> Just to verify, you are talking only

2191
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,000
about hobby kennels when when you're

2192
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,120
saying that they're allowed in all

2193
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:45,400
zones.

2194
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,320
>> Commercials are R1. Yeah, but hobbies I

2195
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,440
don't see a limitation on the as it

2196
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,480
relates to zoning. So, that's something

2197
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:54,280
you might want to address. So, I just

2198
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:55,640
wanted to preface your conversation, but

2199
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:56,680
yeah, I haven't done a lot of research

2200
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,080
down at the other

2201
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,120
So, I don't I don't know how to have a

2202
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,760
time to input, but if you want some

2203
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,240
done, we're happy to dive into it, and I

2204
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,240
think we could build a proper good

2205
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:08,790
ordinance for it.

2206
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,560
» So, one reason this came up because we

2207
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,760
had a hobby kennel license that that

2208
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,240
came before with a conditional use

2209
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,480
before our planning commission. As we

2210
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,440
know, they are the recommending board,

2211
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:24,080
but they are going on what our zoning

2212
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,760
is, what our codes are, and then as as a

2213
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,960
legislative board, then we can decide if

2214
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,400
there's something we want changed. So,

2215
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:32,480
even though there were people that

2216
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:34,720
probably were not happy with the

2217
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,720
recommendation, but again, they are

2218
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,960
governed by what we have already

2219
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,840
designated as our code. So, if there's

2220
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,080
something you would like different with

2221
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,280
this,

2222
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,600
then it's up to us legislatively to

2223
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,950
change this.

2224
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,520
» One thing, um Malcolm, you addressed was

2225
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,110
um

2226
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,120
raising puppies as a money-making

2227
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,520
scenario,

2228
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,800
but I also believe anybody that's

2229
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,160
training dogs is also

2230
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,000
using that as a business type scenario.

2231
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,200
So, I think

2232
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,120
we ought to address that a little bit,

2233
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,360
too, and um

2234
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,200
I am concerned about

2235
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:21,080
um

2236
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,280
training dogs in areas, especially large

2237
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,400
numbers. I think You know, I think right

2238
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,560
now in the current zoning, they can have

2239
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,120
four, but they could train six more.

2240
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:32,720
Um I don't know. That's a lot of dogs

2241
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,400
running in and out. I personally

2242
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,640
wouldn't want something like that

2243
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,240
uh around my house, so I'm not sure most

2244
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:40,200
of our

2245
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,640
residents out there would like that. So,

2246
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,200
I think we ought to look into something

2247
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:44,280
that

2248
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,160
to maybe restrict that a little bit, as

2249
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,120
apparently we can, uh where they can

2250
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:49,800
have them.

2251
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,200
>> Are you talking about the number? Is

2252
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:52,440
that Is that your main concern?

2253
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:55,440
>> The number and the usage, too.

2254
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:56,960
>> Yeah, and not to give too much money to

2255
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,760
you. Like I mentioned, I think the lower

2256
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,360
end of the number actually is very in

2257
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,280
line, maybe even be

2258
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:03,000
uh

2259
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:07,080
restrictive. Um up to three is all I don't know if that's the issue. I do

2260
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,560
think our hobby kennel, where it allows

2261
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,480
up to 10, could be excessive, but yes, I

2262
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:13,880
agree with that thought.

2263
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,360
10 is a lot of Like it could be a lot of

2264
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:15,560
dogs.

2265
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:16,440
>> That's a lot of dogs.

2266
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:25,750
>> And especially depending on the zone.

2267
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,800
» So, um

2268
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,960
I think whatever we decide, this this

2269
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,160
ordinance needs to probably include some

2270
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,160
language about enforcement.

2271
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,880
I mean, I know this is supposed to be

2272
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,160
enforced by our code enforcement

2273
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:39,840
officer, but

2274
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,720
uh I don't think it's happening. And so,

2275
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,800
it might be helpful to include some

2276
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,240
language in here about

2277
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,240
what procedure we follow to enforce the

2278
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,080
code. And the example we just heard

2279
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:53,840
tonight occurs at a ball.

2280
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:54,920
So,

2281
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,320
there's a clear violation, and you call

2282
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:58,480
animal control, and you call the

2283
01:18:58,480 --> 01:18:59,880
sheriff's department, and nothing

2284
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,320
happens, and nothing happens.

2285
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,600
Where's our code enforcement officer

2286
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,320
issuing the fines that should be given,

2287
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,560
and this etc.

2288
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,680
You know what I mean? So, that's why it

2289
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,280
isn't there. States the procedure would

2290
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,400
be very helpful, I think.

2291
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,120
As far as enforcement goes, why why

2292
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:18,520
draft an ordinance if you're not going

2293
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,840
to enforce it?

2294
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,720
>> We need to put some teeth in it to make

2295
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,000
it so that we can enforce it without

2296
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,000
question, basically.

2297
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,280
>> So, so maybe we could just start at a

2298
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,640
clear place where we maybe would have

2299
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,320
some agreement on or even some

2300
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,160
discussion.

2301
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:37,920
How are How are we feeling about

2302
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,920
allowing a ken- kennel hobby? Because

2303
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,080
right now, like Malcolm mentioned, can

2304
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:46,320
be in any zone. We We have not

2305
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,680
designated that if it's in a third acre,

2306
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,360
quarter acre, even a patio home, for

2307
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,200
example. We We do have those. Is that

2308
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,840
something and maybe we just need to make

2309
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,440
some

2310
01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:01,400
maybe some definite things. So, let

2311
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,160
maybe let's start there. How do we feel

2312
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,120
about having a kennel hobby

2313
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,040
being able to be in any of our zones

2314
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,560
totally independent upon size?

2315
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,480
>> Well, and that's the unfortunate part

2316
01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:15,800
where we can't discriminate on the breed

2317
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,320
of the dog. That becomes very difficult

2318
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,120
to say, "Well, you can have

2319
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,120
10 uh

2320
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,200
labs in a quarter acre zone." That

2321
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:25,760
That's difficult. You know, you could

2322
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,560
have 10

2323
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:28,920
uh Maltese

2324
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:30,640
12 of them in a in a quarter acre zone,

2325
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,800
and probably nobody would probably know

2326
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,840
because you can't discriminate on the

2327
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,600
you've got to do all for one and one for

2328
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:37,560
all.

2329
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:38,800
So,

2330
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,800
exactly. So, do we even allow it in a

2331
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,320
quarter and a third acre zone or patio

2332
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:44,240
zone?

2333
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,880
You know, is it even allowed is the

2334
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,350
first question.

2335
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,760
» Well, that's one thing that's been hard

2336
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,720
as far as, you know, you mentioned about

2337
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,520
how do we enforce this, but we don't

2338
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,600
have a really clear-cut code

2339
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,240
that they can actually go to somebody

2340
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,360
and say, "Well, that's that's not

2341
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,560
allowed." Because they'll sit here and

2342
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:09,200
say, "Oh, yeah, I can have a big I could have up to 10, but we don't

2343
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,720
really give We need to get I think get

2344
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,840
it a little better defined because it

2345
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,040
doesn't list what it's owned. If we just

2346
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,080
have a definition.

2347
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:18,880
>> They still would have to get a

2348
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,160
conditional use, so we'd be enforcing

2349
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,360
each of those uh mitigating

2350
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,400
circumstances, mitigating

2351
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:27,920
uh conditions

2352
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,280
that they would that would work toward

2353
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,520
that, so.

2354
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,440
>> And uh just to be to be specific, right

2355
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:36,520
now uh I might have been browsing, but

2356
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,800
we prohibit them in HDR patio zones,

2357
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,160
PUD zones, but they're conditional in

2358
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,480
R4 and above.

2359
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:48,360
So, quarter acre and above. Only

2360
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:49,720
prohibited in

2361
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:50,800
the the the

2362
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,080
hot zones.

2363
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,800
So, just to kind of talk about

2364
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,440
enforcement for these right now, which

2365
01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:58,520
are different, I think, than

2366
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,040
what was brought forward before and the

2367
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:02,840
statements from the public.

2368
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,680
But, for this specifically hobby kennel, we can bring it to the planning

2369
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:08,520
commission and have it revoked and have

2370
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:09,600
it

2371
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,880
they wouldn't have that use.

2372
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,160
Um they wouldn't have the conditional

2373
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,480
use if they're not following

2374
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:17,960
what was what was put on it.

2375
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,000
So, for example, the this last one the

2376
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,560
planning commission they required to do

2377
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,360
have barking collars. They were required

2378
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,840
to have six foot fence around their

2379
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,560
entire yard. or they were required to do

2380
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,800
certain things for cleaning and those types of things.

2381
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,120
If they didn't follow those, then they

2382
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:34,280
would be under review and then they

2383
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:35,720
could get revoked and they wouldn't be

2384
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:40,870
able to wouldn't be allowed.

2385
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:42,480
» Who reviews those, I guess is the

2386
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:45,120
question. Who is going to go

2387
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,960
and make sure that they're

2388
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:48,680
uh

2389
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,920
doing those conditions?

2390
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,520
>> So, if there's

2391
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,200
we put a if there's a a complaint a

2392
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,280
valid complaint that is brought forward

2393
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:58,440
to the city,

2394
01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:00,600
it would have to be verified.

2395
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,000
So, it it has to be verified by staff.

2396
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:08,200
It has to be verified by the code enforcement or staff, someone

2397
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:09,880
that works for the city

2398
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,200
to verify that it was valid. And then it

2399
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:13,200
would get brought forward to the

2400
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,880
planning commission.

2401
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,320
So, just cuz we have a code enforcement

2402
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,160
officer doesn't mean that

2403
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:20,880
staff can't

2404
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,640
investigate these types of things.

2405
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,560
>> So, any of those could actually go

2406
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,880
investigate first. Yeah.

2407
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:29,080
Oh, good.

2408
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:39,550
>> We leave that to staff.

2409
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:48,080
» You know, this is a tough decision and I heard Bruce and

2410
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,440
I've been around the barking dogs, that

2411
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:54,760
side of it, but I've also been around

2412
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,200
the other side that

2413
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,960
and I don't understand this, but there

2414
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,280
are people out here with mental health

2415
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:07,560
issues that they have to have a dog or

2416
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,880
something like that and that is what

2417
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,720
keeps them calm, what keeps them

2418
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,560
their thoughts

2419
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,280
and I've seen that side personally

2420
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,480
with people I know and so it is, it's

2421
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:23,760
hard to decide

2422
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,640
you know, how do you make it work for

2423
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,360
everything? I think the one we heard

2424
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,560
tonight, yeah, we need to

2425
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,840
use the code enforcement or our animal

2426
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,120
control that we're paying

2427
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,560
a lot of money for

2428
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,240
every year.

2429
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:40,800
And so, you're saying

2430
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:41,480
uh

2431
01:24:41,480 --> 01:24:44,280
we have staff or do we call uh our

2432
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:45,880
animal control?

2433
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,520
>> Animal control can be called.

2434
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,800
So, animal control we're paying animal

2435
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,960
control or does the county to

2436
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,520
investigate those things they should be

2437
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,160
doing that.

2438
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,080
>> But that example is not even a violation

2439
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:58,680
of a kennel license cuz they don't have

2440
01:24:58,680 --> 01:24:59,040
a kennel on

2441
01:24:59,040 --> 01:24:59,920
>> Yeah, that's different.

2442
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:01,640
>> That is quite a violation of

2443
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,040
>> Yeah, that'd be they're probably said

2444
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:05,320
I haven't looked at I wasn't ready for

2445
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:06,040
that one so

2446
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,120
>> Yeah, the noise. There could be lots of

2447
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:09,280
things that are

2448
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,800
that's just a violation.

2449
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,160
>> Yeah, it's it's tough.

2450
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:15,680
>> So, I mean I think it since this is a

2451
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,320
conditional use permit for the hobby

2452
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:19,480
kennel

2453
01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:21,360
I think

2454
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,160
depending on the zone, depending on

2455
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,000
again and again the strictness of breed,

2456
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,200
but depending on a bunch of different

2457
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:29,720
factors

2458
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:30,960
we could just

2459
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,320
set

2460
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,840
um allowances for that conditional use

2461
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,320
permit regardless of where it's at.

2462
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,400
You know, I think the hard fast rule

2463
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,560
applies to the commercial license

2464
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,000
which I do like our animal zone it can

2465
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,400
only be in

2466
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:46,200
and then

2467
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,240
no more than 10 animals per acre

2468
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,000
property.

2469
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,520
I think that's

2470
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,320
reasonable.

2471
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,640
>> Can you look into ordinances when you

2472
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,400
get time and see what we would need to

2473
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,000
maybe tweak cuz you said you hadn't

2474
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,520
really looked into some of what we

2475
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,320
discussed, so

2476
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,440
>> In referring to

2477
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:06,840
the other issue?

2478
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:07,240
>> Yes.

2479
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:08,520
>> I absolutely will.

2480
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:13,310
>> Okay, appreciate it then.

2481
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,200
» That's that is different than the

2482
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:16,040
kennel.

2483
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:16,520
>> Yes.

2484
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:21,710
>> Um which kennel are we talking about?

2485
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,200
» So, do we change anything on this kennel

2486
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,000
army definition?

2487
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,440
Or do we just say it's any kind of

2488
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:30,560
commercial only?

2489
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,760
>> And this says in there just R1.

2490
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,400
>> I lost my power on there. Does it say

2491
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,200
for just R1 zones?

2492
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:40,760
>> For commercial.

2493
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,920
>> They're all for commercial.

2494
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,360
>> You know, you get some of these small

2495
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,000
lots that we get into patio homes or

2496
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,360
baths,

2497
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,920
you know, they walk out the door and

2498
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,600
somebody's got a big dog and you know, they're not

2499
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,880
going to want to be barked at.

2500
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,480
These small lots, you know, at least an

2501
01:26:58,480 --> 01:26:59,640
acre lot.

2502
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,920
>> It's a waste of weight, but

2503
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:03,960
>> I don't know. I don't think the issue

2504
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,760
though is like over on one dog so much

2505
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,040
as it is a wolf pack.

2506
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,120
You know, so I I don't think we're going

2507
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,560
to have too many people squawk about

2508
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,320
their neighbor having a dog, but you're

2509
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:16,320
going to have some people that are going

2510
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,280
to be concerned when their neighbor have

2511
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,920
nine dogs.

2512
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:22,480
I think they have a valid concern at

2513
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:26,270
that point.

2514
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:27,480
» So, so

2515
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:29,400
what what was what direction was the

2516
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,320
planning commission looking for, do you

2517
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,280
think? Like what were they struggling

2518
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:34,320
with

2519
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:35,280
when they were trying to make that

2520
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,960
decision on the last one?

2521
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,000
>> So, I think we had residents that came

2522
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,400
in and they were concerned

2523
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,280
about the number of dogs.

2524
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,320
If everything were going to be

2525
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,440
controlled, the barking

2526
01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:52,080
that the planning commission towns were

2527
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,680
pretty much tied because of what this

2528
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,520
says, that they could have the four to

2529
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,040
10 dogs. They can't discriminate whether

2530
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,680
like you said it's a toy poodle or it is

2531
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,320
a Alaskan husky. So, so our rules have

2532
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,760
to make sure and fit everything because

2533
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,720
like you said, you know, if it's four

2534
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,240
toy or 10 toy poodles is far different

2535
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:13,920
than

2536
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,760
10

2537
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,520
German Shepherds.

2538
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,040
So, we need to have something that's

2539
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,200
going to be that that's going to fit

2540
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,110
all.

2541
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:24,720
» So, far

2542
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:25,440
>> And then

2543
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:27,320
>> 10 to 20 lbs.

2544
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,600
>> Yeah, that's uh probably something they

2545
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,960
stumbled with was uh because of the

2546
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,720
specific type of dog, the amount felt

2547
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,400
like a lot, but

2548
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,640
um also the usage was something they

2549
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,760
struggled with. The

2550
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,920
what the these dogs were used for

2551
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:45,200
um is something that they had a hard

2552
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,400
time

2553
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:48,800
that they got some comments that they

2554
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,680
were you know, working through, so.

2555
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,990
>> Can we limit

2556
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,600
Maybe we're

2557
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,800
kind of straw us, but like weight or

2558
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,520
size of a dog? Still can't even do that.

2559
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,440
would come under breed the specific

2560
01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:04,960
basically.

2561
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,760
>> Yeah, that would be doing that.

2562
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,040
>> Okay, so.

2563
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,840
We tried.

2564
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,360
So, Malcolm, other than what's listed

2565
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,200
here, breeding, hunting, field trials,

2566
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,200
or breeding exchange

2567
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,040
competition, security, or personal

2568
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,600
enjoyment.

2569
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,440
What were they struggling with? What

2570
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:29,750
categories were not included in that?

2571
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,280
Um

2572
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,200
>> Yeah, I can be pretty blunt. I'm sure

2573
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,640
these dogs were specifically trained for

2574
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,360
that's like police type work.

2575
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,200
I don't know if you know, so I don't

2576
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,280
know what bucket that would fall in,

2577
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,160
but it gave the perception, and I'm not

2578
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:46,720
claiming this is the case, but maybe a

2579
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,640
perception that they could be, you know,

2580
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,720
uh dangerous dogs at times or trained to

2581
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,800
be violent or to tame.

2582
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,600
>> I think just to kind of I think they're

2583
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,160
spec- it was specific for competitive.

2584
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,160
They were doing competitions

2585
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:01,440
for them.

2586
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:03,120
Yeah, that's basically Yeah, they did

2587
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,880
competition specifically.

2588
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:07,960
>> We can't really regulate competitions as

2589
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:09,680
much because then we couldn't have

2590
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,080
Labrador retrievers going to

2591
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,520
competitions there. That would be

2592
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,160
difficult to

2593
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,080
specify one type of competition would be

2594
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,120
okay but another type

2595
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,320
wouldn't be okay. I think that's

2596
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:25,000
you know, kind of a generic term,

2597
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,640
competition.

2598
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,120
>> I just think the main concerns that were

2599
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:34,320
discussed is how loud it was. Um, safety

2600
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,000
was a big discussion like if a child had

2601
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,960
access to a fence that had so many dogs

2602
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,520
putting their hand in.

2603
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,320
Just things that could possibly happen.

2604
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,640
So, those were Those were talked about

2605
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:49,560
by the citizens.

2606
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,160
I think what else.

2607
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,920
The fence height was talked about. Odor

2608
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,400
a little bit. Odor.

2609
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:58,280
Noise.

2610
01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:59,160
Yeah, obviously.

2611
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:03,200
>> Noise, obviously. Odor. Well, that's something, you know, for Germany

2612
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:04,680
to be addressed is you don't want some

2613
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,080
kid to want to stick his paw through a

2614
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,400
fence that,

2615
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:08,440
you know, a chain link fence would

2616
01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:10,520
contain a dog well, but it's not going

2617
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:11,960
to keep a kid from sticking his hand

2618
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:13,600
through. So, we need to have something

2619
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:14,840
in there

2620
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:18,920
that would be a total 100% bullet proof

2621
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,480
separation in my mind so that

2622
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:24,680
there is no no way for them to get, you

2623
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,310
know, in contact.

2624
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,000
» So, I listened to that meeting and that

2625
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:35,440
and all the items that got brought up.

2626
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:38,120
The lady came up and she had an answer

2627
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:39,960
for every one of them that I thought was

2628
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,400
great. And uh

2629
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,240
I've got personal experience with this.

2630
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:47,240
We have a dog at our house uh

2631
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,240
that's being trained

2632
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,240
uh for a police dog. And when that dog

2633
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:54,760
is being trained, you better stay away

2634
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:55,880
from it.

2635
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,200
But

2636
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,920
uh when he doesn't have his uh uniform

2637
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:02,960
on, he know he's just a regular dog to

2638
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,600
us and I can Well, I can't throw him

2639
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,120
around anymore, but, you know,

2640
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:10,240
he'll he'll play with me and that. And

2641
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:14,480
so, you know, I see both sides of it.

2642
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:16,360
You know, as far as he's a very

2643
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:18,760
protective dog. If somebody gets close,

2644
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,160
he's going to start barking. And so, for

2645
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:22,920
a kid to stick his hand through the

2646
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:24,760
fence,

2647
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:26,360
you know, those dogs are being trained.

2648
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:29,000
I can't imagine a kid even getting close

2649
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,680
to where that dog is, but I appreciated

2650
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,760
how they said they're going to be out

2651
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,320
there with the dogs when they're

2652
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,360
outside. And the same thing at our

2653
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,040
house,

2654
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:41,920
my daughter-in-law, she is out there

2655
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,960
with that dog if it's ever out.

2656
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:46,960
You know, could it break open something?

2657
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:48,680
Yeah, there's always that possibility.

2658
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,840
>> That was a condition with constant

2659
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:51,920
supervision.

2660
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:53,000
>> Yeah.

2661
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,760
>> When it's outside.

2662
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,840
>> Yeah. And those dogs are

2663
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,240
that are being trained, they're very

2664
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:07,030
obedient, more so than my kids.

2665
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,120
» What do other cities do, Gary?

2666
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,920
>> Um some cities don't have hobby kennels.

2667
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:13,720
Um

2668
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,440
some some cities have

2669
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:17,000
a lower number.

2670
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,320
Some cities have a little bit more

2671
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:21,520
specific in their code. They require

2672
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,520
for the still conditionally use, but it

2673
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,040
kind of lists out some of the conditions

2674
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:29,030
that are common there.

2675
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,680
» So, from what I'm hearing from

2676
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,440
everybody, so if we lowered the number

2677
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:36,320
from 10 down to six or something, would

2678
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,240
that help or

2679
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,440
>> There'd be no restriction for law to do

2680
01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:41,840
that. So,

2681
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,400
you would have the

2682
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:47,430
broad ability to do that.

2683
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:49,520
» I mean, I wouldn't have a problem with

2684
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,680
taking it from 10 down to six for a

2685
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:53,000
hobby

2686
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,910
kennel.

2687
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,840
» I think this use was only

2688
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,630
Was it five?

2689
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:07,430
It's conditionally used, yeah.

2690
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:09,840
» Knowing that we can still restrict it on

2691
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:11,720
conditions, we could have

2692
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:13,440
you know, somebody comes in and says oh

2693
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:14,800
it's six.

2694
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,000
And the planning commission says you

2695
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,000
know what, it's four.

2696
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:19,520
For whatever reason, they don't like the

2697
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:20,200
place.

2698
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,720
We can still restrict that number

2699
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,160
on the condition, right?

2700
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:25,840
>> Yes, actually no.

2701
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:26,320
>> No.

2702
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:27,760
>> So they

2703
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,710
Sorry.

2704
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,800
So the zoning, it's the way it's written

2705
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:34,680
at least

2706
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,760
is it's permitted. So up to 10 is

2707
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:38,520
permitted.

2708
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,800
But as long as they can

2709
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,240
as long as we can mitigate the detriment

2710
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:46,080
detrimental effects.

2711
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,000
So.

2712
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:48,640
Right now it's permitted 10, they can

2713
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:52,790
have 10.

2714
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,920
» And that's in any zone except for patio,

2715
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,160
correct Malcolm? And that's what you

2716
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:58,280
said, you can

2717
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:01,520
>> And PV patio and PV, any zone except for

2718
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:02,560
those.

2719
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,120
>> So again, even if you had 10 barking

2720
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,880
little tiny dogs in a quarter acre,

2721
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:12,310
might seem excessive.

2722
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,990
10 barking is excessive.

2723
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,520
» Yes, it is.

2724
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,040
Especially if it's a big dog.

2725
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,400
Well, I I would propose we move it down

2726
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:25,320
to six. That'd be my vote.

2727
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,350
>> That's my thought.

2728
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,120
So that's zoning.

2729
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,440
>> The zoning

2730
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:35,920
So it's only in an R1

2731
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:36,840
>> or commercial.

2732
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,000
>> Or for commercial, I would say uh

2733
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,640
half acre lots and bigger.

2734
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,800
And all if we get down into third acre

2735
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,480
lots and quarter acre lots, I don't

2736
01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:48,640
think

2737
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,760
hobby kennel

2738
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:56,190
should be allowed.

2739
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:57,680
» It's consistent with their

2740
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,760
animal unit ordinance.

2741
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,680
>> How many How many units is a dog on?

2742
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:05,800
>> We don't just call it out, but by giving

2743
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:09,320
10 dogs to the acre in a commercial and

2744
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:10,320
then you're giving

2745
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:10,760
>> So, 10

2746
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:14,360
>> two two and a quarter dog per unit.

2747
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:18,110
That's what you're giving.

2748
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,720
» The hardest thing about this is dogs are

2749
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,000
a whole lot, I don't know, more

2750
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:24,880
annoying, generally speaking, than

2751
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:26,160
somebody's

2752
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,680
goat in their backyard or their horse in

2753
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,400
their backyard.

2754
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,360
You know, I I have had complaints about

2755
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:34,600
chickens

2756
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:35,560
um

2757
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,000
that we're looking at right now and it's

2758
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,160
valid.

2759
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:40,480
Neighbors have a whole bunch of chickens

2760
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:41,960
and a lot of roosters and they crow a

2761
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,320
lot and

2762
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,240
that's something looking into a little

2763
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,240
bit because there's pretty much no limit

2764
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:51,440
on how many chickens you can have and not the sex of the chickens, so you

2765
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:52,760
can't really restrict that they have to

2766
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:54,800
all be laying hens or

2767
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,840
something like that. So, there are some issues that way, but I

2768
01:36:58,840 --> 01:36:59,840
think you're going to get more

2769
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:01,400
complaints

2770
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,760
from dogs being a problem than pretty

2771
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,320
much any other animal that people are

2772
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,080
going to have on their property.

2773
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,560
Unless they got some stinky billy goats.

2774
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:13,480
I had the privilege to smell one today

2775
01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:14,440
that

2776
01:37:14,440 --> 01:37:16,240
was in the vicinity where I was working

2777
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,720
and it smelled terrible.

2778
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,800
>> So, anybody can have up to three dogs,

2779
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:22,840
regardless of where you live, and then

2780
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,160
from four to six

2781
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:26,720
um would be a

2782
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,360
hobby kennel, but not allowed on quarter

2783
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,600
or third acre lots. Is everybody okay

2784
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:32,920
with that?

2785
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:33,720
>> I am.

2786
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:34,000
>> Yeah.

2787
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,800
sign me up.

2788
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:37,400
>> Okay.

2789
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:38,920
>> So, we can make those changes and and

2790
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:40,400
they'll have to go through zoning. State

2791
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:41,680
that last change again. Is everybody

2792
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:42,640
okay with

2793
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:43,160
>> Good.

2794
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,120
>> Not allowed on quarter or third acre

2795
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:49,390
lots. Hobby kennels.

2796
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:50,560
So, this will still have to go through

2797
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:51,720
planning commission and go through the

2798
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,560
whole procedure there.

2799
01:37:53,560 --> 01:38:00,710
>> Four to four to six for a hobby kennel.

2800
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,280
» And if they have better thoughts,

2801
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,640
Malcolm, for sure have them

2802
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:13,510
bring it back to us and let us hear uh

2803
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:17,390
» We'll do.

2804
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,560
» Okay, any other discussion

2805
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,120
on that topic?

2806
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,000
Okay, let's move on to our next topic

2807
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,040
then, which is trail property leases.

2808
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,600
And as you know, we passed a new

2809
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,160
ordinance where all of the leases are

2810
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,600
coming before city council now. So,

2811
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,800
specifically we wanted to talk tonight

2812
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:40,720
on the trail property leases. And again,

2813
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:42,400
in your packet, you have the

2814
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,760
information. This is currently what the

2815
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,120
city does.

2816
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:51,040
And you also had in your packet, excuse

2817
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:52,560
me, that was emailed to you, the staff

2818
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,120
report from Jared, our public works

2819
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,440
director, who wasn't able to come

2820
01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:00,840
tonight. So, again, we wanted to discuss

2821
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,560
this. And I'll tell you some a couple of

2822
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,880
things I've noticed is is we don't have

2823
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:07,160
a

2824
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,040
In order for things to be fair, I think

2825
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:14,520
everything has to be fair and the even the trail leases are not

2826
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,360
one-size-fits-all.

2827
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:19,160
Some are larger than others.

2828
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,560
Some do have animals in them. We have

2829
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,960
said they can't have animals. So, I

2830
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:25,880
thought this would be a good discussion

2831
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,320
as far as if there's any

2832
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:31,720
changes or additions or anything you'd

2833
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:38,270
like to just see with this.

2834
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:40,800
» I just wanted to preface it. I

2835
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,000
pulled some code as it relates to this

2836
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,240
and this loser result of a couple

2837
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:52,710
ordinances during the planning process.

2838
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:54,040
» Do we want to add it to the public

2839
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:57,270
record?

2840
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:58,200
Sir?

2841
01:39:58,200 --> 01:39:59,840
>> Bruce Bruce

2842
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:01,560
>> Do you want to add it to the public if

2843
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,000
that's being presented to the council it

2844
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,040
has to be submitted for public record to

2845
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:05,760
the city.

2846
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,520
>> It's just pictures of

2847
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:08,440
stuff here.

2848
01:40:08,440 --> 01:40:08,800
>> Okay.

2849
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,880
>> Pictures of the dogs that the nine dogs

2850
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:11,880
that I'm talking about.

2851
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:12,440
>> Okay.

2852
01:40:12,440 --> 01:40:14,080
>> I think that they've been given to the

2853
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:15,360
county sheriff, they've been given to

2854
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:16,880
the Hoover city people that own the

2855
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,040
house, they've been given to animal

2856
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,920
control head person in Auburn. Everyone

2857
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:23,680
has a deck of those pictures and nothing

2858
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,520
has happened. Thank you.

2859
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:26,200
>> Thank you.

2860
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,350
>> See you my friend.

2861
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:30,280
» So

2862
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:31,800
do I need do I need to do anything? I

2863
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:33,200
mean this

2864
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,520
>> Well, it's it's up on the dais so it's

2865
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:36,560
part of the record.

2866
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:37,720
>> Okay, cool.

2867
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:38,480
>> I

2868
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:39,080
>> legit

2869
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:40,000
>> I just wanted to make sure

2870
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:40,920
>> You'll see in there under our

2871
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,840
preliminary plat specifications and

2872
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:44,920
um

2873
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,990
we have a no build setback

2874
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,960
that we get dedicated as public open

2875
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:52,520
space and then under the preliminary

2876
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:54,760
Slue Parkway development plan

2877
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,680
um it permits us on situations like this

2878
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:00,600
where we will have them dedicate uh

2879
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:02,000
this

2880
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,800
open space which

2881
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,760
it then becomes uh

2882
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,080
the Slue Parkway that we've talked about

2883
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:10,800
and then that we use and so that's the

2884
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,160
ordinance that is creating

2885
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:14,680
the Slue Parkway that they own and then

2886
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:16,120
obviously you guys are familiar now with

2887
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:17,640
the lease we've been doing in here it's

2888
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:19,880
comments on so that's how they resolve

2889
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:22,200
the negotiating. They just uh we we do

2890
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:23,440
seek them they're benefiting the city

2891
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:25,000
and we do it in the development phase so

2892
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:32,070
that's how it's happening.

2893
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,080
» The one thing we did bring up about

2894
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:35,040
these

2895
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,720
at one point in time this the city was

2896
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:39,640
kind of restricting you on

2897
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,400
letting people use this extra property

2898
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,560
on the edge, but

2899
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:47,080
as it was reviewed

2900
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,640
by public works, they figured it

2901
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,560
actually made more sense to let people

2902
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,520
use these parcels then let the city to

2903
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,680
have to maintain them cuz that's a large

2904
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:59,560
cost to the city.

2905
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,280
So, I I think uh

2906
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,800
Jared, you know,

2907
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:10,280
is pretty much behind allowing them to do stuff that

2908
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:12,680
are within code now with keeping the

2909
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:16,680
setbacks and and things like that and

2910
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,480
um

2911
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:20,440
restrictions on animals and stuff that

2912
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:21,800
we have

2913
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:23,760
currently in place. I don't know if they

2914
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,200
need to be enforced if we have

2915
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:27,080
Well, they're not supposed to have

2916
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,400
animals on there cuz you go back down

2917
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:30,760
when you start going back to animals

2918
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,200
again, that puts us back dogs. Somebody

2919
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:35,000
walking the trailer doesn't want doesn't

2920
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,280
want somebody's dog

2921
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:39,040
you know, growling at them through the

2922
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:41,000
fence. So, if we have a restriction

2923
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,200
already for animals, we probably ought

2924
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:45,520
to look into enforcing that maybe.

2925
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,720
>> I have a few thoughts on this. Um Cole

2926
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:50,270
Porter.

2927
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:51,680
We don't necessarily have to do it as a

2928
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:55,120
lease. Uh we did this I used to do this.

2929
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:57,160
You do this as a license.

2930
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:58,680
So, it doesn't have to be something that

2931
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:00,920
comes to the council cuz our code

2932
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,760
requires all leases come to the council.

2933
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,160
Um these are essentially licenses. I

2934
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:08,160
mean, arguably they're leases, but a

2935
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:09,920
license basically is giving somebody

2936
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,400
permission to use the land. We can take

2937
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,280
it back whenever we want.

2938
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:16,520
Um and that's how all leases are worded.

2939
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:18,120
We can take it back whenever we want it

2940
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:19,240
whenever we need it. There's no

2941
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:21,560
restriction on us going in and doing it.

2942
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:23,840
So, we could call this a license and we

2943
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:25,400
could just do this administratively and

2944
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:26,640
say, "Hey, if you're willing to take

2945
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:28,720
care of this property, we don't want to

2946
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:30,240
take care of it, but we want to still

2947
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,160
maintain ownership of it and you're

2948
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,480
willing to do it, then

2949
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:36,520
if you fulfill this license agreement,

2950
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,720
if you do this, this, and this, and this, then you have access to

2951
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:41,080
take care of it.

2952
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:42,760
And to do what we do what we said we're

2953
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:43,800
going to do.

2954
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,520
So, that's just an option. I don't know

2955
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:46,800
how you the council likes that, but

2956
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:48,600
that's how I've been doing it in every

2957
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,360
other city that I work in.

2958
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,120
>> And then there wouldn't be a fee or

2959
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,040
anything, just a a license.

2960
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:57,280
>> Correct. There'd just be a license.

2961
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:59,240
>> That actually Go ahead.

2962
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,240
>> I was just going to say at the point

2963
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,240
uh we received this uh

2964
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,760
email from Jared.

2965
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,640
It seems like it kind of fits what you

2966
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:09,400
just described.

2967
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:10,200
>> Mhm.

2968
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:10,840
Yeah.

2969
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:12,560
>> his recommendation to his knowledge the

2970
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,120
arrangement we've had has served the

2971
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:17,840
city well and residents well.

2972
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:19,760
And whether you want to call it a

2973
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:22,400
license or a lease,

2974
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:23,440
uh

2975
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:27,760
but I think the lease was like a dollar for 50 years

2976
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:29,120
or something like that unless something

2977
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:30,800
really changes.

2978
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:32,120
>> I don't mean to cut you off, uh

2979
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:33,640
Councilman Flowers,

2980
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:35,680
but the state code of me and I looked

2981
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:38,520
into this heavily just for leasing.

2982
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:40,800
State code requires cities to certain

2983
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,680
departments for leasing property out as

2984
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:45,200
long as it's the public it has a public

2985
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:47,840
benefit to the city. So, we can do a

2986
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,680
lease like a dollar

2987
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,280
if there's a big benefit. So, I still

2988
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,040
think it works for a lease. Just other

2989
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:56,280
cities are doing it as um licenses, and

2990
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:57,440
that way if it was a license, it

2991
01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:58,680
wouldn't necessarily have to come to the

2992
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,760
council for every single one of these.

2993
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:01,640
It could be something that's done

2994
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:05,120
administratively. So, just an idea.

2995
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:07,240
>> Why licenses came up is because we had

2996
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:09,200
someone that came in and wants to do a

2997
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,800
lease along the slough, and wants to

2998
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:13,320
have some animals. And we've said no

2999
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:15,280
animals aren't allowed, but then you

3000
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,080
walk along the trails in other places,

3001
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,800
and there's animals. And so, I thought,

3002
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:22,760
how do we tell one person, "Sorry, you

3003
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:24,680
can't have animals." But then we're

3004
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,840
allowing other people to have animals.

3005
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,960
Some of it's just a real narrow place

3006
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,400
and even where it says about how many

3007
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,040
feet they have to be away from the

3008
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,960
slough, well, we're not enforcing that.

3009
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,800
So, again,

3010
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,320
it can we In order to be fair, it needs

3011
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,240
to be fair. We can't just say, "Well, we

3012
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:45,880
like you, so we'll allow this." And

3013
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:46,640
you know, maybe we can

3014
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:48,400
>> Well, then did we allow it or are they

3015
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,200
just doing it and we haven't enforced

3016
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:51,080
it?

3017
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:51,880
That's

3018
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,120
>> Yeah, I don't know cuz it's it's been

3019
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,400
there for quite a few number of years

3020
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,960
and if you walk along, like I say,

3021
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:04,520
certain trails, you see that. And so, I am fine with the license. I'm fine

3022
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,160
with staff administering this. I still

3023
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:08,800
think we maybe don't need to look at

3024
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:10,480
this and

3025
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:13,120
maybe get a little better clear cut on

3026
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:16,080
what we're going to do with this. Cuz

3027
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:17,800
whole point of this really was, you

3028
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:19,440
know, as Jared mentioned to begin with

3029
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:21,000
when they they did the walking trails,

3030
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:22,000
they thought, "Oh, the city won't

3031
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:23,880
maintain those." You know, they'll be

3032
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,360
this nice grassy area.

3033
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:28,280
Well, they soon realized, "We don't have

3034
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,640
water to water those nice grassy areas."

3035
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:32,320
And so, what do we do with them? Well,

3036
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,040
it's much better when the residents have

3037
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:36,280
moved their fences back and take care of

3038
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:40,080
it. It it's 100% better. But, then we

3039
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:41,440
probably still need to come up with a

3040
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:44,160
little more congruent

3041
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:47,800
conditions, not just, you know,

3042
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:49,400
whatever. So.

3043
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:50,440
>> Well, we're coming back to the

3044
01:46:50,440 --> 01:46:52,640
enforcement issue again here if we're

3045
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:54,040
going to

3046
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:56,840
put stuff in place, then we actually

3047
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:58,840
probably have to work on,

3048
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:00,560
you know, trying to get it enforced as

3049
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,400
best we can. But, then it's really hard

3050
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,080
with our compliance officer from the

3051
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:09,440
county because he's not in

3052
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:12,000
He actually will, if we if we had a

3053
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,320
complaint filed, he would go investigate

3054
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,560
it. But, then there he has no teeth to

3055
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,240
do anything. It's got to come back to us

3056
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:20,320
if something's got to be done. And I'm

3057
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:23,200
not exactly sure, you know,

3058
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:26,840
what our ability is to enforce that. I

3059
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:30,280
don't know in code if we have,

3060
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:32,080
you know, if we can slap their hands or

3061
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,280
slap their face or fine them 50 bucks or

3062
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:35,120
what.

3063
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:36,640
>> we would be able to take back that this

3064
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:37,880
slough and

3065
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:39,920
get all of we can remove all of their

3066
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:41,880
property and everything off

3067
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:43,960
our land.

3068
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:45,560
So, that's that's according to the

3069
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:47,840
lease. But, that would be consistent

3070
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:49,640
with what I'm talking about as well.

3071
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:51,240
>> And the license thing would basically

3072
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,680
just remove some stuff that the mayor

3073
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:55,120
doesn't have to deal with. Staff could

3074
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,040
just deal with it if you went with the

3075
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:58,560
license versus the lease.

3076
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,040
>> not the mayor Well, the mayor wouldn't

3077
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,680
necessarily administratively be dealing

3078
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:04,240
with it instead of the council. But, if

3079
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:05,600
the council still wants this to be a

3080
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:07,720
lease, the lease loses.

3081
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:08,680
It'd just be handled more

3082
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:09,920
administratively at all.

3083
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:11,160
>> No, I don't know. I don't know.

3084
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:13,480
>> I guess my only issue is the number 10

3085
01:48:13,480 --> 01:48:15,480
where it says lease property should not

3086
01:48:15,480 --> 01:48:17,320
be for the keeping of animals unless

3087
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:18,360
approved

3088
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:21,520
by the city in advance. So, who's going

3089
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:25,080
to approve that in advance? Is it

3090
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,680
Malcolm? Is it the council? Is it

3091
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:29,560
Sherry? You know, where do where do we

3092
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:34,040
go with who's making that decision? And,

3093
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:36,120
you know, if you go back to this 35 ft

3094
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,040
from the slough bank, who's going to

3095
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:41,840
administer where the fence is placed 35

3096
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:43,960
ft or more so the animals don't go onto

3097
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,480
the slough bank? I mean, there's so many

3098
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:49,000
things with animals. It's almost like no

3099
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:50,360
animals, we're done.

3100
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,200
Yeah, it's so much easier

3101
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,400
just to say no animals.

3102
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:57,000
>> Well, that 35 ft is actually designated

3103
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,760
from the opposite slough bank of the

3104
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:00,400
trail.

3105
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:01,240
>> the center of the water.

3106
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:02,960
>> No, it's That's what I I think it says

3107
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:04,360
the opposite slough bank from where

3108
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:05,720
they're going to which is going to be

3109
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:08,280
really interesting to try and measure.

3110
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:11,720
And, I'm pretty sure 35 ft would

3111
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:13,560
like the the the main slough the upper

3112
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:16,720
slough up here, it's not 35 ft wide or I

3113
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,280
mean, it's way more than 35 ft wide. So,

3114
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:20,600
the opposite bank on the creek would

3115
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:22,040
need to be a factor tonight if I can get

3116
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:23,680
it right.

3117
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:26,200
If we're going to regulate animals, just

3118
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:28,280
no animals. They would just They want to

3119
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:30,600
mow it and put a picnic table out there.

3120
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:35,390
Just no permanent structures.

3121
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:36,960
Yes.

3122
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:39,400
>> I agree with

3123
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:40,720
that. I mean, when these people bought

3124
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:42,800
their homes and moved in there,

3125
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,320
they that land wasn't theirs anyway. And

3126
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:46,680
so,

3127
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:48,960
you know, they're just Okay, we can

3128
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:50,360
throw an animal back there. Well,

3129
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:52,040
they've got to take part of their yard

3130
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:52,880
that

3131
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:54,760
put the animal where they want.

3132
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:56,400
And then that,

3133
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,800
you know, they wanted And if it was me

3134
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:00,560
living down there, I'd probably go down

3135
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,920
and mow the grass and the weeds just to

3136
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:05,560
keep it looking nice.

3137
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:06,880
>> Well, and you know, they call these all

3138
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,560
of these

3139
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,080
They are their trail leases, and they do

3140
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:12,720
go along the slough, but you have some

3141
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:16,920
that maybe they get 30 ft, some get 150

3142
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:20,480
ft, some maybe even bigger than that.

3143
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:22,440
And in some of the really wide ones, and

3144
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:23,920
then you have the trail, and then you

3145
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,760
have the slough that's a few feet quite

3146
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:28,240
a few feet away from that. And some of

3147
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:30,760
those are the ones that have animals

3148
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:32,320
because it's a

3149
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,200
So, so they're So, maybe we even need to

3150
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,920
have two different criteria here. Maybe

3151
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:39,760
even based on footage because those ones

3152
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,320
that have a big wide area, maybe the

3153
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,960
animals aren't necessarily hurting it.

3154
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,160
And maybe as a city council, we need to

3155
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,400
do a little field trip and walk along

3156
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:52,120
and see these before we make decisions

3157
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:54,080
because you'll see there's a big

3158
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:55,520
difference.

3159
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,600
They're not all the same. And there

3160
01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:59,840
might be different rules that exist for

3161
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:06,240
some versus another because Yeah, I I remember when they first did it, they

3162
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:07,320
were saying, "Well, now what does the

3163
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,440
city do with this property? We can't

3164
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:13,120
water it. It's work for the our

3165
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,720
parks and recs have to go and mow it and

3166
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:16,880
so

3167
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:18,360
maybe that's what we need to do is

3168
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:20,640
really take a little field trip and

3169
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:22,640
on our non-motorized vehicles on the

3170
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:25,640
trail and so look at them.

3171
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:27,040
>> Can we temporarily lift the

3172
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,680
non-motorized vehicle clause or we can

3173
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,120
have the sheriff's department

3174
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:33,760
state it's an emergency cuz I know they

3175
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:35,600
go flying down those trails and in the

3176
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,200
police cars occasionally chasing people

3177
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:40,920
so maybe we just bum around.

3178
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,920
>> So for whatever it's worth that today I

3179
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:47,840
was down on 6300 West looking at the

3180
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:51,160
slough and just so you know since the

3181
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:54,640
60s and 70s it's about as twice as wide

3182
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,720
right now as what it was

3183
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:01,200
50 60 years ago. So it's it's getting

3184
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:04,560
wider. I mean we used to uh

3185
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,320
go down there and play in it. I

3186
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,480
shouldn't have with what was in there

3187
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:10,440
but we could

3188
01:52:10,440 --> 01:52:13,240
uh we could actually jump from one side

3189
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,120
of the slough to the other

3190
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:17,320
and I don't even think an Olympic

3191
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:20,040
athlete could have jumped it

3192
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:22,520
where we used to go so it is getting

3193
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:25,270
wider.

3194
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:27,200
» Well maybe we really could maybe then

3195
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:29,240
get some golf carts or something and

3196
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:31,240
take a little trip down and ride along

3197
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:34,080
and see so you can see the differences

3198
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:35,720
and maybe all of you have walked along

3199
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:37,760
there. I have quite often because we

3200
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:39,600
will walk the sloughs but there really

3201
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:41,680
is there's a big difference and I don't

3202
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:44,360
want to be limiting limiting it for

3203
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:46,760
people that have a big I mean some of

3204
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:49,680
them it's almost a half acre of land

3205
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:51,840
they have back there

3206
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:53,520
that they really then could have two

3207
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,640
animals. It so would that be agreeable

3208
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:57,920
if we just did a little

3209
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,040
>> The only problem I see with that and I

3210
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:02,200
think well the idea comes from what

3211
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:04,320
Jared alluded to here in the city.

3212
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,240
One once they put animals back there and

3213
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,360
they graze this down and then

3214
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:10,400
if they decide not to have them anymore,

3215
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:13,440
then you have that erosion problem

3216
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:15,920
that learner was referring to.

3217
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,840
Councilman Rock Lither was referring to.

3218
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,000
And so

3219
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:22,920
anyway, that but that's a real issue,

3220
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:24,920
right? And

3221
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:27,240
but but nature itself will take care of

3222
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:29,000
that and it has done for hundreds of

3223
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:31,760
years if it's we're the ones that start

3224
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:34,840
messing that up if we either

3225
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:35,560
you know,

3226
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:37,400
there's other weeds that would grow if

3227
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:39,120
it once it's grazed down, there's weeds

3228
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:41,240
that would start growing that naturally

3229
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:43,360
wouldn't have been there like puncture

3230
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:46,440
weeds or some of those things. So I

3231
01:53:46,440 --> 01:53:48,600
think it'd be a good idea to just take a

3232
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:52,080
tour like you're recommending uh

3233
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,320
mayor and just go take a look at them

3234
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:55,520
and then

3235
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:57,440
you kind of see the difference in what

3236
01:53:57,440 --> 01:53:59,400
works and what doesn't work.

3237
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:01,280
>> Can we point out how you can run the

3238
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:04,760
trail into the healthy community

3239
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:05,760
corporation?

3240
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:07,080
>> Yeah.

3241
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:08,000
>> Okay, let's go for it.

3242
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:09,600
>> Yeah, it's probably good. Well, I I I

3243
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:11,880
like that idea because I like I said, I

3244
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:12,920
don't

3245
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:14,800
I would I would hesitate making any

3246
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,560
restrictions yet till we have actually

3247
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:19,040
had a chance to kind of see. And some of

3248
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:20,920
it there's a hill, some of it is pretty

3249
01:54:20,920 --> 01:54:23,920
flat, but there's a wide difference

3250
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:27,040
between what these leases

3251
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:28,920
>> Can I read two sentences from Jerry?

3252
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:29,480
>> Yes.

3253
01:54:29,480 --> 01:54:32,520
>> Um in this letter he says, "We quickly

3254
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:34,440
learned that the natural habitat of

3255
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:35,880
those grasses and all the smooths was a

3256
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,280
great value than rather than cattle

3257
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:40,000
and needed to be preserved as much as

3258
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:41,480
possible.

3259
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:43,760
These plants have literally been growing

3260
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:45,600
there for decades and when an area is

3261
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:46,880
disturbed

3262
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:48,600
where this vegeta- vegetation is

3263
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:49,760
removed,

3264
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:51,480
weeds, thistle, puncture weeds will

3265
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:53,800
start growing in the disturbed area.

3266
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:55,920
Re-establishing those original native

3267
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:59,080
grasses and plants is very difficult

3268
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:02,040
with no means here to do so."

3269
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:03,800
>> Well, I think in conjunction with

3270
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:06,320
Councilman Powers' suggestion, if you've

3271
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:08,200
got animals back there,

3272
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:09,280
and you don't want to guarantee you

3273
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:11,440
don't have weeds, then you'd have to

3274
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:13,960
certified hay to feed them to make sure

3275
01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:19,120
there wasn't weeds brought in the hay and stuff like that. So,

3276
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:21,240
you know, that's a whole 'nother ball of

3277
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:24,400
wax that needs to be probably addressed,

3278
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,880
but I agree with the mayor we ought to

3279
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,360
go take a a tour and see,

3280
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:31,440
you know, what what we think. It's kind

3281
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:33,240
of hard to sit here in a chair

3282
01:55:33,240 --> 01:55:34,720
describing

3283
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:37,280
the differences that we have that we

3284
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:41,710
need to deal with.

3285
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:44,160
» Okay, we will we will get that scheduled

3286
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:45,720
then and let you know, and we'll notice

3287
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:48,560
it if anybody else wants to come and go

3288
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,680
on this little tour and we will do that.

3289
01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:53,120
Okay, any other discussion on that

3290
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:58,510
before we move on to motorized vehicles?

3291
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:02,160
Okay. Well, as you know, we've had some

3292
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:06,200
issues with the motorized vehicles and

3293
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:08,160
we've we've addressed this a a couple of

3294
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:10,360
times. You know, this was back in April

3295
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:13,440
of last year in our newsletter, where we

3296
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:16,400
gave a definition about what motorized

3297
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,440
vehicles were, and it said it's

3298
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:21,360
prohibited to use motorized vehicles on

3299
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:23,080
any city-owned property, parks, trails,

3300
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:25,840
detention basins, fields, etc.

3301
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:28,280
But, we don't really have a code

3302
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:31,880
defining single encampment. And so, last

3303
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:34,880
time in our work meeting when we had um

3304
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,640
Officer Arbogast, I'm not saying that

3305
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:38,400
correctly. Okay.

3306
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:39,240
>> Close.

3307
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:41,480
>> Okay. Came and said, you know, it's

3308
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:43,640
really hard for them to try to enforce

3309
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:45,760
this on our city-owned properties if we

3310
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:48,880
don't have anything for them to enforce.

3311
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,280
And you know that there was the new

3312
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:53,760
the e-bike law that came out, the new

3313
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:56,480
Utah e-bike law that took effect May 6th

3314
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,320
of 2026.

3315
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,560
So, I think this is also something if

3316
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:03,080
you're interested we could have work on

3317
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:04,600
and maybe

3318
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:07,000
we could give some suggestions or Darren

3319
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:08,760
maybe already has some ideas, but but we

3320
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,240
don't really have anything in our code

3321
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:13,240
that's prohibiting it other than we tell

3322
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:15,480
them it's prohibited. We put a sign up

3323
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:17,440
that says no motorized vehicles. But

3324
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,760
again, there's no teeth into that if we

3325
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:21,920
don't have any kind of code or

3326
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:26,110
ordinance.

3327
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:29,040
» Well, the state obviously just updated

3328
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:31,840
their regulations for those and

3329
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:33,800
other streets, so it it should

3330
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:35,920
theoretically help, but

3331
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:37,560
the county is in a very difficult

3332
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:40,360
situation trying to enforce that with

3333
01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:42,120
the the bikes going up and down the

3334
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:44,200
road. Even that the new laws that are in

3335
01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:46,200
place are going to be

3336
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:48,240
a regulatory nightmare for the sheriff's

3337
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:50,960
department to enforce, but I agree with

3338
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:52,560
Mayor Bingham that we need something

3339
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:55,240
that's got a little more bite to it cuz

3340
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:57,840
this this parcel down here on the 5100

3341
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,120
and we have a very

3342
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:02,160
easy to read sign no motorized vehicles.

3343
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:03,720
There was five kids in there the other

3344
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:04,760
day on

3345
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:07,480
dirt bikes running around and

3346
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,040
that's I don't know, the noise is

3347
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:10,520
obviously an issue and the dust they

3348
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:12,200
kick up is obviously an issue for the

3349
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:13,720
neighbors, but

3350
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:15,320
you know, I think yeah, I think we need

3351
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:16,120
to

3352
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:18,160
deal with that a little more vigorously

3353
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:22,830
if we can figure out a way to do that.

3354
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:24,480
» Yeah, I think the bigger issue is

3355
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:25,600
motorized

3356
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:27,920
illegal motorized vehicles on public

3357
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:29,400
streets.

3358
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:30,440
You know, period. They're already

3359
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:34,720
illegal. There's already statutes and ordinances

3360
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:36,480
galore

3361
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:37,520
you know,

3362
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,560
regulate that. And so, it just needs to

3363
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:41,680
be enforced. But I mean, we're talking

3364
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:44,080
about public owned property. Motorized

3365
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,640
vehicle on public owned property is what

3366
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:47,760
we're trying to pass around.

3367
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:48,800
But

3368
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,240
I mean, I think the e-bike thing

3369
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:53,880
is really a non-issue as with the park.

3370
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:56,880
You know, I think that was

3371
01:58:56,880 --> 01:59:02,270
updated for season sag logs.

3372
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:05,750
Where e-bikes

3373
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:07,920
are an issue or a problem. I haven't yet

3374
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:09,440
to see any bike be a problem in the

3375
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:10,480
park.

3376
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:11,560
So,

3377
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:14,280
anyway, I I think our focus needs to be

3378
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:16,320
motorized vehicles on city owned

3379
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:17,720
properties

3380
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:20,320
with this ordinance.

3381
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:22,360
>> Yeah, I agree. That's the same thing I

3382
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:24,000
thought.

3383
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:26,520
Well, let's work on that then.

3384
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:28,760
Darren, if we can have that be something

3385
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:30,360
we can maybe come up with some kind of

3386
01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:31,800
Well, maybe there's another city that

3387
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,200
already has an ordinance.

3388
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,040
>> And you know, this has kind of evolved

3389
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,840
this motorized vehicles because

3390
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,120
a motorized vehicle to me used to be an

3391
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:43,520
engine.

3392
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:46,320
But now we've got electric motorcycles

3393
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:48,720
that are just as fast and

3394
01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:52,000
so is that something we need to

3395
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:52,920
Or or

3396
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:54,680
would they be lumped together? No, it's

3397
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:56,600
the it's the same. Whether it's electric

3398
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:58,080
or gas, it's it's the same.

3399
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:00,360
>> We could I just want to verify just I'm

3400
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:02,120
sorry. This is one I looked in all the

3401
02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:04,200
other ones, I promise. I didn't look

3402
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:05,960
into this specific. So, we don't have a

3403
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:08,400
current code that says that you can't

3404
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:11,440
ride these on public public property on

3405
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:13,800
our own property.

3406
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:16,680
>> Not not that we know of. And when the

3407
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:18,800
actual resource officer said he looked

3408
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:21,000
because we had specifically invited him

3409
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:23,040
to come to our work meeting to talk

3410
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:26,600
about this and he said he could not find

3411
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:28,680
anything. And when we put it in our

3412
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:30,840
newsletter and like I said, this was

3413
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:33,080
April of last year,

3414
02:00:33,080 --> 02:00:34,600
our legal counsel at that time told us

3415
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:36,560
we had to be really careful what we put

3416
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:39,400
in there because we don't have anything

3417
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:41,240
that states other other than we put up

3418
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:43,800
signs that say

3419
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:45,560
>> know that this would be what we were

3420
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:47,200
looking for, but yeah, this would be an

3421
02:00:47,200 --> 02:00:48,040
easy find.

3422
02:00:48,040 --> 02:00:49,560
>> Okay.

3423
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:51,760
>> An easy plug-in for code. For what

3424
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:53,200
you're talking about on sidewalks,

3425
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:55,040
there's a hard estate code.

3426
02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:56,880
Um there's hard estate code for the

3427
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:58,120
scooters.

3428
02:00:58,120 --> 02:01:00,200
So, state code already is there for our

3429
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:01,360
operating.

3430
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:02,760
Um you can add

3431
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:03,880
new stuff.

3432
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:05,520
>> Okay.

3433
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:07,040
Sounds good. Thank you.

3434
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:09,320
Okay, um the next thing we saw ended up

3435
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:10,760
taking a hot bonger, so we'll hurry

3436
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:12,120
through this one and then else this may

3437
02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:14,960
go in the beer ones. Um this is on care

3438
02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:18,520
facilities and again this came Well, it

3439
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:20,440
didn't, but it almost came to planning

3440
02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:22,200
commission because we thought it needed

3441
02:01:22,200 --> 02:01:24,600
to be a conditional use permit. We've

3442
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:27,400
had some concerns with this. This The

3443
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:29,960
city put a moratorium on this last year

3444
02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:31,840
for 6 months. That came and went. We've

3445
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:34,800
never done anything differently with it.

3446
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:38,880
And so, again this is something that

3447
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:42,000
needs to be a discussion and

3448
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:43,800
do any of you have a chance to look

3449
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:46,600
through this and have ideas on on what

3450
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:50,080
you think because it again state code

3451
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:51,920
You may need to explain what state code

3452
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:53,440
we need to have.

3453
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:55,880
>> So, what for state code it it's just

3454
02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:57,640
it's federally mandated and that's why

3455
02:01:57,640 --> 02:01:59,640
the state code has adopted it.

3456
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:02,760
That we can a city cannot may only

3457
02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:04,680
regulate a residential facility for

3458
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:06,640
persons with disabilities to the extent

3459
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:09,400
allowed by the Utah Fair Housing Act and

3460
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:12,360
Title 57. So, there's only certain types

3461
02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:14,480
of restrictions um

3462
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:16,520
that cities can put on it.

3463
02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:19,320
If we want it to be a conditional use,

3464
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:22,200
it should only apply to a single to two

3465
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:24,880
something that's over a single family.

3466
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:26,760
So, if it's over a single family, then

3467
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:28,240
that would be according to state code

3468
02:02:28,240 --> 02:02:31,590
more than four.

3469
02:02:31,600 --> 02:02:32,760
So, sorry, is it more than five

3470
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:34,640
individuals or something like that?

3471
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:36,440
It's not specific in the number of

3472
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:38,080
individuals allowed.

3473
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:39,520
Yeah. So, if it's

3474
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:42,710
more than four.

3475
02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:44,280
So, more than four. So, we have we want

3476
02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:46,120
to change our code because we have to

3477
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:48,800
because state code lands here anyways.

3478
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:50,560
Our code is wrong according to the

3479
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:52,720
definition of a single family.

3480
02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:53,520
Um

3481
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:55,600
we want this is the code that

3482
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:58,320
applies to us. So it already is.

3483
02:02:58,320 --> 02:02:59,960
We're okay there.

3484
02:02:59,960 --> 02:03:02,200
Um but if we want to

3485
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:04,920
have these uses have conditions, we need

3486
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:07,840
to change our code and say that

3487
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:09,320
Well, actually sorry. I have a good code

3488
02:03:09,320 --> 02:03:10,960
right here. Guess what city I have taken

3489
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:12,320
this code from.

3490
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:14,360
So you want to guess what city?

3491
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:17,430
Clearfield.

3492
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:19,920
Um Clearfield has really good code

3493
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,600
um for this, but it talks about them

3494
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:24,240
being able to put conditions if it's

3495
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:26,080
over four.

3496
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:27,520
family care facility. If it's under,

3497
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:29,080
it's just straight permitted.

3498
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:31,360
>> Can you look at our definition of family

3499
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:33,520
here and tell us and just make sure

3500
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:35,080
we're all on the same page where our

3501
02:03:35,080 --> 02:03:43,270
code

3502
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:44,840
» Cool.

3503
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:46,520
What I'm saying here is

3504
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:48,200
like if you I don't know, I guess that's

3505
02:03:48,200 --> 02:03:49,400
okay.

3506
02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:50,520
That's fine.

3507
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:52,040
The state code is still the standard

3508
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:53,200
one.

3509
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:56,400
>> I wanted to just clarify. I took a broad

3510
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:58,800
swath or uh you know, approach I just

3511
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:00,560
grabbed everything that

3512
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,480
resembled it. So some of these don't

3513
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:04,560
apply, but maybe just to direct your

3514
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,600
perspective on

3515
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:08,040
family. So if you go to the family

3516
02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:10,120
definition there, do you see that?

3517
02:04:10,120 --> 02:04:11,480
>> Yeah.

3518
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:12,840
>> You can see where we have a weird not

3519
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:14,640
weird, it's just interesting. Right? We

3520
02:04:14,640 --> 02:04:16,240
have family and the first two probably

3521
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:18,160
make sense. A person living alone or two

3522
02:04:18,160 --> 02:04:19,320
or more persons related by blood or

3523
02:04:19,320 --> 02:04:20,680
marriage. Number two, a group of not

3524
02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:21,720
more than 10 persons who need to be

3525
02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:23,640
related by blood. So you can see that. C

3526
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:25,600
is interesting and where I have gotten

3527
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:26,920
I've gotten hung up and just wanted to

3528
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:28,040
make sure we're all on the same page.

3529
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:29,480
Just because they are not eight or fewer

3530
02:04:29,480 --> 02:04:30,920
unrelated mentally and or physically

3531
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:32,360
handicapped or elderly persons, right?

3532
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:33,320
And they will be under staff

3533
02:04:33,320 --> 02:04:35,600
supervision. Anyway, because that's been

3534
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:37,480
defined as family, right? You can see

3535
02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:38,360
that

3536
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:42,670
we're not

3537
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:44,840
Yeah, we're allowing people

3538
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:46,960
So, for instance, we had an applicator

3539
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:49,360
We have a We have a care facility that's

3540
02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:52,120
four residents. Well, that is not a care

3541
02:04:52,120 --> 02:04:54,120
facility per our definition. It's how I

3542
02:04:54,120 --> 02:04:56,600
understand it. It's a family. So, I just

3543
02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:58,840
wanted to clarify that. And then that

3544
02:04:58,840 --> 02:05:01,160
does tell us into I'll highlight just a

3545
02:05:01,160 --> 02:05:02,520
few of them. You can see where eight is

3546
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:03,800
kind of our magic number. If you go to

3547
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:06,360
children's treatment center, it's

3548
02:05:06,360 --> 02:05:08,240
eight

3549
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:10,040
for more than eight juveniles, right?

3550
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:11,600
So, once you get above eight, then we're

3551
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:12,840
calling it a treatment center. If you go

3552
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:15,520
to foster home, that one kind of dances

3553
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:16,800
around it. I'm not sure that it's it's

3554
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:20,040
explicit, but seven to 13 children.

3555
02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:21,960
Um if you go to nursing

3556
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:23,920
uh facility skilled, more than eight

3557
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:25,840
individuals. If you go to residential

3558
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:27,240
care facility, more than eight

3559
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:29,720
individuals. So, we kind of have this

3560
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:31,640
threshold that we're dancing around of

3561
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:35,120
the family is eight. Beyond that becomes

3562
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:38,280
care facility-esque type stuff. I just

3563
02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:39,920
wanted to get that, you know, in front

3564
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:42,440
of the council and make sure that eight

3565
02:05:42,440 --> 02:05:44,240
Again, it it just seems like we could I

3566
02:05:44,240 --> 02:05:46,120
mean, it's it's a number.

3567
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:47,520
>> And that's Yeah, the reason why it's a

3568
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:50,400
number is eight. If you're over eight,

3569
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:51,360
um

3570
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:54,200
it's more commercial.

3571
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:56,280
Like a commercial care facility, which

3572
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:56,960
would have a different kind of

3573
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,160
restrictions.

3574
02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:01,520
So, these are the type of

3575
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:03,480
they can't be restricted from our

3576
02:06:03,480 --> 02:06:05,960
residential zones.

3577
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:08,990
These houses.

3578
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:10,960
» Could they Could the number Could our

3579
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:13,160
family definition go to

3580
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:15,320
five? State code says you can't have

3581
02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:16,800
less than

3582
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:17,440
>> Yeah, I think

3583
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:19,280
>> less than three. So, if it was five,

3584
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:20,240
then could we have

3585
02:06:20,240 --> 02:06:22,720
>> I'm getting tired, but I had thought

3586
02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:24,720
through this earlier today, but that's

3587
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:26,920
the reason why um

3588
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:29,320
I think state code has a four definition

3589
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:30,880
of a four

3590
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:32,920
is because

3591
02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:34,280
if you have that in our definition of

3592
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:35,880
family,

3593
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:39,480
then it's more of a permitted use.

3594
02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:41,240
It's more of a permitted. But here, if

3595
02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:45,680
we say family is this definition,

3596
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:47,280
then we could put condition on it.

3597
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:49,400
>> Yeah. I think so. Yeah, so if we were to

3598
02:06:49,400 --> 02:06:51,400
for instance the council were to say our

3599
02:06:51,400 --> 02:06:52,640
definition for family is going to be

3600
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:54,680
more comfortable with the state code.

3601
02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:55,080
>> Right.

3602
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:57,960
>> Four or fewer and really anything then

3603
02:06:57,960 --> 02:06:59,360
anything above four we would have the

3604
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:01,400
ability to have conditions and

3605
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:02,160
discussion.

3606
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:03,960
>> Right. And we don't want to put the city

3607
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:05,480
at

3608
02:07:05,480 --> 02:07:07,080
the requirement of, you know, so right

3609
02:07:07,080 --> 02:07:08,320
now I have one to five and we're

3610
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:09,520
>> Right.

3611
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:11,440
>> So or if someone had seven, they'd be a

3612
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:13,720
family still.

3613
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:14,280
Everyone good?

3614
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:15,160
>> So so where did

3615
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:16,480
>> Everyone's there?

3616
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:18,360
>> Where where did our definition even come

3617
02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:20,240
from under family? Where

3618
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:22,870
>> I don't know.

3619
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:24,440
It's been in the in the code.

3620
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:26,160
>> I just made family in my head.

3621
02:07:26,160 --> 02:07:27,320
>> Yeah, me either. That's what I was going

3622
02:07:27,320 --> 02:07:28,680
to say. But you can see how it dumbed

3623
02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:30,280
down the whole our definition, right?

3624
02:07:30,280 --> 02:07:32,520
It's It's a It's a trigger number. Like

3625
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:34,000
we're calling that anything beyond that

3626
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:34,920
it gets

3627
02:07:34,920 --> 02:07:36,760
almost treatment like

3628
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:38,880
definitions in it, right? Like nursing

3629
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:41,560
and etc. care facilities. So if you say

3630
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:42,960
eight and not a why not, I don't know

3631
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,320
what determined that early in our

3632
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:47,080
adoption of that code, I don't know.

3633
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:49,160
>> Family related, mentally or physically

3634
02:07:49,160 --> 02:07:51,760
handicapped or elderly persons as a

3635
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:54,390
family?

3636
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:56,680
» By our definition, yeah. Like that's why

3637
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:57,680
we're sitting in front of you because

3638
02:07:57,680 --> 02:07:59,200
right now we have some of those going on

3639
02:07:59,200 --> 02:08:00,400
and per our definition

3640
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:01,640
>> According to who?

3641
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:04,440
>> According to our definition and code. So

3642
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:06,240
>> Where did that code come from?

3643
02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:08,280
>> That's That's number HTC. I just pulled

3644
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:09,280
it from our drive. I don't know where we

3645
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:09,520
got it.

3646
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:11,560
>> That's been established since 2020.

3647
02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:11,840
>> Yes.

3648
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:13,200
>> Since 2000. 2000, yeah.

3649
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:14,520
>> Yeah, that's where we got it from

3650
02:08:14,520 --> 02:08:16,480
county. I have no idea. We got to We got

3651
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,160
to maybe get ready on it.

3652
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:20,200
>> Can we change that? Can we change that?

3653
02:08:20,200 --> 02:08:20,800
>> Yes.

3654
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:21,520
>> Okay, let's change that.

3655
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:23,200
>> So these Yeah, these are things that

3656
02:08:23,200 --> 02:08:24,680
It's going to be complex because there's

3657
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:26,840
been a a of legal scrutiny here. We need

3658
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:28,920
to be careful. These because of what I

3659
02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:30,360
just explained to you, these are

3660
02:08:30,360 --> 02:08:32,920
permitted in residential. They're

3661
02:08:32,920 --> 02:08:34,400
permitted. And even if they're

3662
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:36,520
conditional, they're permitted. But if

3663
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:39,320
they're over a certain amount,

3664
02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:40,600
I

3665
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:42,280
we have an ability to put conditions on

3666
02:08:42,280 --> 02:08:43,640
it.

3667
02:08:43,640 --> 02:08:45,640
>> I I thought your comment was interesting

3668
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:47,360
that above eight is commercial, but

3669
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:48,760
under eight

3670
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:51,160
doesn't doesn't isn't registered as

3671
02:08:51,160 --> 02:08:52,960
wouldn't be registered as a commercial

3672
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:53,920
facility.

3673
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:56,440
>> That's why I think they're getting the number eight wrong.

3674
02:08:56,440 --> 02:08:58,480
>> Yeah, that just eight seems like that

3675
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:00,440
would probably be a commercial facility

3676
02:09:00,440 --> 02:09:01,400
maybe, but

3677
02:09:01,400 --> 02:09:02,920
>> Well, in this instance specifically, and

3678
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:04,040
I don't want to

3679
02:09:04,040 --> 02:09:06,160
specifically in this instance the state

3680
02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:10,400
requirement is this

3681
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:12,600
care facility can have more than five.

3682
02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:15,600
So, to your point if the state had a

3683
02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:16,960
greater limit

3684
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:19,360
a greater restriction than we did, which

3685
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:22,080
I found somewhat interesting cuz

3686
02:09:22,080 --> 02:09:27,320
>> like they dropped off like the state is restricting the the state

3687
02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:29,280
is the one that's enforcing these, is

3688
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:30,960
making sure that they're up to code.

3689
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:31,960
>> I believe it was four.

3690
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:33,880
>> But anyway, it was a it was more

3691
02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:36,160
stringent than our own code. We would

3692
02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:38,160
have allowed for a few more if by our

3693
02:09:38,160 --> 02:09:41,710
definition.

3694
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:42,400
Just

3695
02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:44,000
>> Just yeah, that goes along with Brent's

3696
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:46,000
question is where did we get this from?

3697
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,200
If the state's more restrictive than we

3698
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:48,800
are.

3699
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:54,280
>> Our I think I've said this a lot. Our code is old.

3700
02:09:54,280 --> 02:09:57,440
>> So, really? So, you're saying you have a

3701
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:00,480
good one there for Clearfield access, so

3702
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:01,600
you're going to

3703
02:10:01,600 --> 02:10:04,480
>> Clearfield has a great code.

3704
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:06,840
It puts a

3705
02:10:06,840 --> 02:10:07,600
it

3706
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:09,120
puts it to four and we can do

3707
02:10:09,120 --> 02:10:10,600
conditions.

3708
02:10:10,600 --> 02:10:12,920
Um it it just has a better defines terms

3709
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:18,110
a little a little better.

3710
02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:20,000
» Well, how hard would that be for Cheney

3711
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:20,920
need

3712
02:10:20,920 --> 02:10:24,960
that code over to fit Hooper's city.

3713
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:27,000
>> To to have it fit within our code it

3714
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:29,400
means a lot of work, but it's I think it

3715
02:10:29,400 --> 02:10:31,280
has to I think we have to. So, I don't

3716
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:33,120
think there's a

3717
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:36,160
I agree we need to jump on it.

3718
02:10:36,160 --> 02:10:41,190
>> So, does that take care of our goal to

3719
02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:43,000
conditional use drug and alcohol

3720
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:44,120
facilities?

3721
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:45,520
>> To do that.

3722
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:49,000
I I yeah, I think that's we need the in

3723
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:50,240
order to have conditional we have to

3724
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:52,120
change our code cuz I think

3725
02:10:52,120 --> 02:10:53,440
they're going to meet the definition of

3726
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:54,640
that.

3727
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:56,280
>> Yeah, right now our drug and alcohol

3728
02:10:56,280 --> 02:10:57,360
will not be able to pull it in there. I

3729
02:10:57,360 --> 02:10:59,760
don't think you can call it any resident

3730
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:01,720
limitation. So,

3731
02:11:01,720 --> 02:11:04,400
it would be strictly following the state

3732
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:06,040
requirement that they came up with I

3733
02:11:06,040 --> 02:11:09,430
think. So.

3734
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:11,120
» Okay, let's work on that too then

3735
02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:12,960
because like you said I I and that leads

3736
02:11:12,960 --> 02:11:14,480
to some things that have been recently I

3737
02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:16,120
know this seems like a lot, but all of

3738
02:11:16,120 --> 02:11:18,760
these have came up recently to planning

3739
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:22,400
commission or to staff with applications

3740
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:24,280
and again we can't expect our planning

3741
02:11:24,280 --> 02:11:26,000
commission to do

3742
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:27,640
they they they they have to just vote

3743
02:11:27,640 --> 02:11:29,520
and make recommendations based on what

3744
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:34,560
our code is. So, if our code is flawed

3745
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:36,120
that makes it very difficult.

3746
02:11:36,120 --> 02:11:38,160
>> Or if it's just permitted it doesn't

3747
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:39,960
need a planning commission.

3748
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:41,240
It's permitted as of right.

3749
02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:42,720
>> So, no commission.

3750
02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:43,960
>> No commission.

3751
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:45,160
Right.

3752
02:11:45,160 --> 02:11:49,390
>> So, Malcolm.

3753
02:11:49,400 --> 02:11:50,680
You Malcolm.

3754
02:11:50,680 --> 02:11:53,040
>> Yeah.

3755
02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:55,200
>> So, in our work meeting you wanted us to

3756
02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:56,720
prioritize

3757
02:11:56,720 --> 02:11:59,000
these four items.

3758
02:11:59,000 --> 02:11:59,560
Is that

3759
02:11:59,560 --> 02:12:00,200
>> Would be helpful.

3760
02:12:00,200 --> 02:12:01,680
>> Is is that what

3761
02:12:01,680 --> 02:12:02,800
we need to do right here?

3762
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:05,880
>> Prioritize prioritize or delegate.

3763
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:07,640
I don't know. You're right. I mean just

3764
02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:08,840
to be really frank I don't it didn't

3765
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:10,800
seem like anyone had a lot of motorized

3766
02:12:10,800 --> 02:12:13,840
vehicle opinion or expertise, but legal

3767
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:15,640
advice is I think this last one should

3768
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:17,520
not have been on anyway.

3769
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:18,760
This last one.

3770
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:19,640
>> Well,

3771
02:12:19,640 --> 02:12:21,800
I was just going to go go in the reverse

3772
02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:24,360
order for my priorities,

3773
02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:28,510
D C B A.

3774
02:12:28,520 --> 02:12:29,840
» Okay. Thank you.

3775
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:31,560
Helpful.

3776
02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:33,440
>> Okay. Thank you. Okay, we're going to

3777
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:36,200
move on to our action item then. We have

3778
02:12:36,200 --> 02:12:37,840
a motion approval of a commercial

3779
02:12:37,840 --> 02:12:40,440
business license, Wasatch Fuel

3780
02:12:40,440 --> 02:12:43,040
Enterprises. And we have someone here

3781
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:44,760
tonight. Malcolm, do you have anything

3782
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:46,760
you'd like to say about this before he

3783
02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:48,840
comes up to address the council?

3784
02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:50,480
>> No.

3785
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:52,520
>> Okay. Well, we'll welcome you to come up

3786
02:12:52,520 --> 02:12:54,920
then and

3787
02:12:54,920 --> 02:12:56,800
>> You're still away.

3788
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:57,720
>> Yeah.

3789
02:12:57,720 --> 02:12:59,720
Hi. How are you?

3790
02:12:59,720 --> 02:13:01,960
I am Mr. Hakim Sugar. I just applied for

3791
02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:04,760
the Wasatch distribution license

3792
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:07,520
for the business. I am very excited

3793
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:09,680
to come to the Hooper.

3794
02:13:09,680 --> 02:13:11,480
That's it.

3795
02:13:11,480 --> 02:13:16,310
Thank you.

3796
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:18,640
» So, this is the Sinclair station that is

3797
02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:23,320
located at 5500 South, 5500 West.

3798
02:13:23,320 --> 02:13:25,040
>> Yes.

3799
02:13:25,040 --> 02:13:27,760
Okay. Does anybody have any questions?

3800
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:30,080
>> Yeah, I just some quick questions. What

3801
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:32,760
are or maybe just one question. Are you

3802
02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:34,960
planning on just leaving it the same way

3803
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:38,680
it is or do you have plans of

3804
02:13:38,680 --> 02:13:40,240
you know, adding something to it or

3805
02:13:40,240 --> 02:13:41,240
changing

3806
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:43,440
>> Right now, the kind of same things.

3807
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:45,000
Maybe in the near future I want to add

3808
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:46,480
something else.

3809
02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:49,600
Right now, the same it is.

3810
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:52,280
>> Okay. So, is it something you don't want

3811
02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:54,040
to divulge

3812
02:13:54,040 --> 02:13:58,040
in the future or share or you don't have to. I was

3813
02:13:58,040 --> 02:13:58,520
just

3814
02:13:58,520 --> 02:13:59,480
>> Not yet.

3815
02:13:59,480 --> 02:14:00,000
>> Okay.

3816
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:00,960
>> Yeah.

3817
02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:02,080
>> All right.

3818
02:14:02,080 --> 02:14:03,760
Fair enough.

3819
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:08,150
>> Any question?

3820
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:09,680
» Any other questions? Um

3821
02:14:09,680 --> 02:14:11,400
>> Well, I had a question cuz I wondered if

3822
02:14:11,400 --> 02:14:15,760
it was Sinclair. So, why are we having to issue a new

3823
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:17,920
business license at this very same

3824
02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:19,360
thing?

3825
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:21,000
>> A new owner.

3826
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:22,560
It's a new owner.

3827
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:26,390
>> Yes.

3828
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:31,510
» Any other questions?

3829
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:32,320
We can

3830
02:14:32,320 --> 02:14:35,360
>> We can't require them to but we like the

3831
02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:37,400
saddle, right? Do you like the saddle?

3832
02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:39,600
That That's one of the saddles.

3833
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:40,000
>> Yeah.

3834
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:41,000
>> So, that works.

3835
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:41,440
>> Yeah.

3836
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:43,840
>> They actually It's cute.

3837
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:45,040
They actually have to change to the

3838
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:47,440
other day going inside the store.

3839
02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:48,640
It has

3840
02:14:48,640 --> 02:14:50,760
to be able to go ride the dinosaur. They

3841
02:14:50,760 --> 02:14:52,640
actually four or five kids went and

3842
02:14:52,640 --> 02:15:00,950
requested dinosaur riding.

3843
02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:03,200
» Okay, thank you.

3844
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:04,480
Bring it back to council then for

3845
02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:07,160
discussion. Does anybody have any

3846
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:10,640
questions, discussion on this? I can

3847
02:15:10,640 --> 02:15:13,360
just say on public record, we've really

3848
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:16,160
appreciated our association with Nick

3849
02:15:16,160 --> 02:15:18,520
Manning. He's been very supportive and

3850
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:21,160
I'm sure you will be as well, but we've

3851
02:15:21,160 --> 02:15:23,120
appreciated all that Nick has done for

3852
02:15:23,120 --> 02:15:25,760
Herriman City as far as his involvement

3853
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:28,640
with all of our community events and so

3854
02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:30,520
personally, I really want to make that

3855
02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:31,680
acknowledgement of how much we

3856
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:34,240
appreciate him. And we we will

3857
02:15:34,240 --> 02:15:36,360
appreciate you as well. Be nice to get

3858
02:15:36,360 --> 02:15:37,600
to know you.

3859
02:15:37,600 --> 02:15:39,360
Okay, so if there's no other questions

3860
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:40,600
then, we need to

3861
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:42,840
have a motion then on this approval of

3862
02:15:42,840 --> 02:15:45,080
this commercial business license,

3863
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:46,960
Wasatch Fuel Enterprise Incorporated

3864
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:51,160
located at 5500 South, 5500 West.

3865
02:15:51,160 --> 02:15:52,720
>> So moved.

3866
02:15:52,720 --> 02:15:54,400
>> Okay, the motion

3867
02:15:54,400 --> 02:15:56,080
Okay, was made by council member

3868
02:15:56,080 --> 02:15:58,520
Fawners, seconded by council member

3869
02:15:58,520 --> 02:16:01,960
Heale. Any discussion on the motion?

3870
02:16:01,960 --> 02:16:03,400
Okay, all in favor, say aye.

3871
02:16:03,400 --> 02:16:04,440
>> Aye.

3872
02:16:04,440 --> 02:16:05,840
>> Any opposed?

3873
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:07,560
Okay.

3874
02:16:07,560 --> 02:16:09,720
Carries, thank you.

3875
02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:10,040
Okay.

3876
02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:11,960
>> so the the next thing we have on our

3877
02:16:11,960 --> 02:16:14,920
agenda then is approval of the amendment

3878
02:16:14,920 --> 02:16:18,200
to our legal counsel contract.

3879
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:19,680
So, I don't know if Darren you just want

3880
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:21,200
to start with that and then I have some

3881
02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:22,200
things to we can talk

3882
02:16:22,200 --> 02:16:23,640
>> approach that.

3883
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:26,600
I'm switching here. I can't

3884
02:16:26,600 --> 02:16:28,440
I cannot give any kind of legal counsel

3885
02:16:28,440 --> 02:16:29,480
here.

3886
02:16:29,480 --> 02:16:31,600
Um first

3887
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:33,760
this isn't an ultimatum

3888
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:36,120
that I've brought forward to the city.

3889
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:37,040
Uh

3890
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:38,599
obviously this is coming because there's

3891
02:16:38,599 --> 02:16:42,000
been some changes. So, Matt has left. Um

3892
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:43,719
it's just me.

3893
02:16:43,719 --> 02:16:44,400
Uh

3894
02:16:44,400 --> 02:16:46,880
he's I don't need to put any word words

3895
02:16:46,880 --> 02:16:49,360
in his mouth. Um

3896
02:16:49,360 --> 02:16:51,480
but I'm there's a change and probably

3897
02:16:51,480 --> 02:16:53,160
the the reason why there's a change is

3898
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:54,240
for some of the reasons I'm going to

3899
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:56,360
talk about tonight.

3900
02:16:56,360 --> 02:16:57,519
Um

3901
02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:58,719
but that being said, it's been a great

3902
02:16:58,719 --> 02:17:00,120
experience.

3903
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:02,719
Uh we both have loved working here. It's

3904
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:05,599
been challenging. And and challenging is

3905
02:17:05,599 --> 02:17:07,880
good and it's been interesting for the

3906
02:17:07,880 --> 02:17:09,200
legal issues that were we've been

3907
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:10,440
dealing with.

3908
02:17:10,440 --> 02:17:12,280
Uh I

3909
02:17:12,280 --> 02:17:14,800
with I have some really good connections

3910
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:16,480
in this um

3911
02:17:16,480 --> 02:17:18,559
in this field. I work with people that

3912
02:17:18,559 --> 02:17:20,240
have been doing this for 40 years,

3913
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:21,800
municipal law.

3914
02:17:21,800 --> 02:17:23,519
And I've come to them with some of the

3915
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:25,719
issues we're dealing with and it's funny

3916
02:17:25,719 --> 02:17:27,760
to get the

3917
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:29,080
huh?

3918
02:17:29,080 --> 02:17:32,400
Or I've never dealt with that before

3919
02:17:32,400 --> 02:17:34,240
kind of situation. And with people that

3920
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:35,840
have been doing this for 40 years. So,

3921
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:37,679
it's complex, which is interesting.

3922
02:17:37,679 --> 02:17:39,240
That's that's something that keeps it

3923
02:17:39,240 --> 02:17:41,440
interesting. Um sometimes it's been

3924
02:17:41,440 --> 02:17:44,400
tumultuous and it has taken a lot of

3925
02:17:44,400 --> 02:17:46,000
time. It's something that we didn't

3926
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:48,000
anticipate. We didn't anticipate that it

3927
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:50,800
would take as much time um from us

3928
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:53,360
initially. Uh

3929
02:17:53,360 --> 02:17:54,480
so

3930
02:17:54,480 --> 02:17:56,160
when we started we didn't anticipate

3931
02:17:56,160 --> 02:17:57,320
that.

3932
02:17:57,320 --> 02:17:59,160
Um to kind of explain a little bit, I

3933
02:17:59,160 --> 02:18:01,320
want to add another attorney, Nick

3934
02:18:01,320 --> 02:18:04,480
Mills. To just talk about him. I

3935
02:18:04,480 --> 02:18:06,320
he is worth his weight in gold. He's

3936
02:18:06,320 --> 02:18:08,360
been doing municipal law for almost 20

3937
02:18:08,360 --> 02:18:09,880
years. He's one of the senior city

3938
02:18:09,880 --> 02:18:11,080
attorneys.

3939
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:13,440
Um he works for Kaysville. His resume

3940
02:18:13,440 --> 02:18:15,559
speaks for himself. He's very very

3941
02:18:15,559 --> 02:18:17,639
smart, well-educated,

3942
02:18:17,639 --> 02:18:19,519
um and he's one of the best people I

3943
02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:23,519
know. Uh he's the most pet um optimistic person

3944
02:18:23,519 --> 02:18:24,920
I've ever met.

3945
02:18:24,920 --> 02:18:26,599
And uh

3946
02:18:26,599 --> 02:18:28,240
he is my mentor.

3947
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:29,880
He's the reason why I chose this career.

3948
02:18:29,880 --> 02:18:32,280
And law school, I was

3949
02:18:32,280 --> 02:18:34,800
I did a internship at Layton, and that's

3950
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:36,200
what got me connected with Layton, and

3951
02:18:36,200 --> 02:18:37,840
he worked there.

3952
02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:40,240
I was planning on doing big firm, and I

3953
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:42,320
don't mean to talk bad about big firm,

3954
02:18:42,320 --> 02:18:44,400
but talking to Nick Mills

3955
02:18:44,400 --> 02:18:47,120
and his reason for working in this field

3956
02:18:47,120 --> 02:18:49,080
was what pushed me, and that's why I'm

3957
02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:52,639
here. He He said that his job is all

3958
02:18:52,639 --> 02:18:54,719
about making the right decision for

3959
02:18:54,719 --> 02:18:56,880
doing the right thing. Which sometimes

3960
02:18:56,880 --> 02:18:58,200
in big firm,

3961
02:18:58,200 --> 02:19:00,360
that's different. Um so, doing the right

3962
02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:01,320
thing.

3963
02:19:01,320 --> 02:19:03,120
Um that's why I'm here, but that's

3964
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:05,320
certainly why he does it. So, he is a

3965
02:19:05,320 --> 02:19:08,000
great person, amazing. Having him work

3966
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:09,400
for the city

3967
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:11,639
takes care of what I'm asking for. I

3968
02:19:11,639 --> 02:19:14,320
promise. He is ready to go. He's going

3969
02:19:14,320 --> 02:19:16,679
to be my partner. We are a good team. We

3970
02:19:16,679 --> 02:19:17,840
used to call each other the Splash

3971
02:19:17,840 --> 02:19:20,240
Brothers. Um this is when Steph Curry

3972
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:22,679
and Thompson were um

3973
02:19:22,679 --> 02:19:24,160
were dominating on their team. But

3974
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:25,840
anyways, that's what we actually still

3975
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:27,760
call each other now. So, we'd be a great

3976
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:31,589
team. Um

3977
02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:34,030
uh

3978
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:36,760
What was I going to say? So,

3979
02:19:36,760 --> 02:19:38,320
what we're asking for it we're asking

3980
02:19:38,320 --> 02:19:40,920
for 4,000.

3981
02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:42,280
Now, obviously everything ebbs and

3982
02:19:42,280 --> 02:19:44,400
flows, and

3983
02:19:44,400 --> 02:19:46,719
the months were different. Um we kept

3984
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:48,800
saying, me and Matt kept saying, "Well,

3985
02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:51,600
this is pretty bad. I can't This is This

3986
02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:55,160
is um interesting how much we're working

3987
02:19:55,160 --> 02:19:56,920
from the very get-go." And we kept

3988
02:19:56,920 --> 02:19:58,280
saying, "Well, let's hold off. We'll

3989
02:19:58,280 --> 02:19:59,760
just let We'll just push it. Let's just

3990
02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:01,440
hold off till the end of the year. Let's

3991
02:20:01,440 --> 02:20:03,360
hold off till after." And I mean,

3992
02:20:03,360 --> 02:20:05,280
especially January I mean, sorry,

3993
02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:07,280
December and November with the issues

3994
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:08,400
that we're dealing with, that was a lot

3995
02:20:08,400 --> 02:20:10,440
of time. But then January happened, and

3996
02:20:10,440 --> 02:20:12,200
it was the same issue. I'm I'm still

3997
02:20:12,200 --> 02:20:14,760
working, I would say about 10 hours a

3998
02:20:14,760 --> 02:20:17,960
week. So, 10 hours a week um with Hooper

3999
02:20:17,960 --> 02:20:20,040
stuff. So, 10 hours a week. That was

4000
02:20:20,040 --> 02:20:21,200
just me.

4001
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:23,160
Uh that's not counting Matt.

4002
02:20:23,160 --> 02:20:26,720
Um so, that's about what it was at. If

4003
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:29,360
we just even just do my increase to

4004
02:20:29,360 --> 02:20:32,080
4,000, just for those 10 hours every

4005
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:34,520
week, that's $100 an hour.

4006
02:20:34,520 --> 02:20:36,800
And according to other contracts all

4007
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:39,360
over the state, that is a great deal.

4008
02:20:39,360 --> 02:20:41,440
So, again, this is my

4009
02:20:41,440 --> 02:20:46,120
I'm just I'm sell obviously selling this

4010
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:47,080
on you.

4011
02:20:47,080 --> 02:20:49,280
Right now, as I'm doing this, I'm not

4012
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:50,680
going to give you any legal advice. This

4013
02:20:50,680 --> 02:20:52,040
is up to you.

4014
02:20:52,040 --> 02:20:53,800
Um but I can tell you that if

4015
02:20:53,800 --> 02:20:55,720
you're going to have great support.

4016
02:20:55,720 --> 02:20:56,840
Um

4017
02:20:56,840 --> 02:20:58,640
especially adding Nick, that's going to

4018
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:01,600
be great. The city of Hooper has

4019
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:03,640
interesting legal issues for a reason,

4020
02:21:03,640 --> 02:21:06,400
and it's because where it's at, and

4021
02:21:06,400 --> 02:21:08,040
where it's going, and where it wants to

4022
02:21:08,040 --> 02:21:09,000
go.

4023
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:11,440
And there are there are more legal

4024
02:21:11,440 --> 02:21:14,040
issues coming. Um with the development

4025
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:15,960
that's happening, there's a lot that's

4026
02:21:15,960 --> 02:21:17,840
going to demand a lot of time.

4027
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:21,800
So, that being That being said, that's my pitch. Um I'll take questions

4028
02:21:21,800 --> 02:21:25,670
if they if you have questions.

4029
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:27,680
» What What role are you and Nick going to

4030
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:28,880
take?

4031
02:21:28,880 --> 02:21:31,040
Similar to you and Matt. What are you going to do?

4032
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:31,520
>> So,

4033
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:32,920
>> Council versus commission.

4034
02:21:32,920 --> 02:21:34,920
>> He Nick would do the tiny commission.

4035
02:21:34,920 --> 02:21:37,000
So, Nick's council is the same on

4036
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:38,440
Kaysville.

4037
02:21:38,440 --> 02:21:40,120
And he's in he's in his council right

4038
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:41,480
now.

4039
02:21:41,480 --> 02:21:47,070
It'd be the same.

4040
02:21:47,080 --> 02:21:51,400
» I I've never actually seen your original

4041
02:21:51,400 --> 02:21:54,000
um contract agreement.

4042
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:56,320
Um I have to assume in that at some

4043
02:21:56,320 --> 02:21:57,720
point time

4044
02:21:57,720 --> 02:21:59,440
you had

4045
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:00,640
um

4046
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:03,000
let's say estimated roughly how many

4047
02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:05,480
hours you thought that was going to take

4048
02:22:05,480 --> 02:22:07,280
to

4049
02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:10,640
mitigate what we needed for the city.

4050
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:11,880
Um

4051
02:22:11,880 --> 02:22:13,280
have we

4052
02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:15,160
I'm guessing we have

4053
02:22:15,160 --> 02:22:17,560
somewhat exceeded the amount of time

4054
02:22:17,560 --> 02:22:19,560
that you thought it was going to take?

4055
02:22:19,560 --> 02:22:21,320
>> Well, it's it's

4056
02:22:21,320 --> 02:22:23,760
I mean, it's estimated. So, we we

4057
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:26,640
figured it'd be about 5 hours a week. Um

4058
02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:28,280
but that's estimation.

4059
02:22:28,280 --> 02:22:31,000
So, all cities are different. I mean, my

4060
02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:33,440
partner So, Nick, he he covered a long

4061
02:22:33,440 --> 02:22:35,440
time the city of Felding.

4062
02:22:35,440 --> 02:22:37,720
That's different. That's just way

4063
02:22:37,720 --> 02:22:39,440
different. Or Hanover, one of my good

4064
02:22:39,440 --> 02:22:41,080
friends covers Hanover.

4065
02:22:41,080 --> 02:22:43,280
And they meet in the city council a

4066
02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:44,440
garage.

4067
02:22:44,440 --> 02:22:45,960
And it's just it's just a different

4068
02:22:45,960 --> 02:22:47,560
ballgame.

4069
02:22:47,560 --> 02:22:49,280
The city's getting

4070
02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:51,440
the city's just getting bigger. So, we

4071
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:53,280
just didn't anticipate it.

4072
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:55,720
>> Are you anticipating

4073
02:22:55,720 --> 02:22:56,840
as

4074
02:22:56,840 --> 02:23:01,000
we grow that we are going to have

4075
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:03,120
more issues?

4076
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:03,760
>> Absolutely.

4077
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:04,880
>> Okay.

4078
02:23:04,880 --> 02:23:06,280
Which I kind of think is totally

4079
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:08,840
reasonable. I'm assuming we definitely

4080
02:23:08,840 --> 02:23:10,720
have some issues that are

4081
02:23:10,720 --> 02:23:12,720
on our doorstep that we haven't dealt

4082
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:16,080
with yet. Um

4083
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:18,320
you know, so I I

4084
02:23:18,320 --> 02:23:19,440
think

4085
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:22,400
moving forward with something like this

4086
02:23:22,400 --> 02:23:25,960
is probably not a bad idea for

4087
02:23:25,960 --> 02:23:28,480
the city. I I personally have

4088
02:23:28,480 --> 02:23:29,640
um

4089
02:23:29,640 --> 02:23:32,040
never had you I haven't contacted you

4090
02:23:32,040 --> 02:23:34,360
very much because I just haven't had a

4091
02:23:34,360 --> 02:23:37,920
lot of legal questions, but I have known

4092
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:40,520
that you were very available when we had

4093
02:23:40,520 --> 02:23:42,120
somebody that had legal questions to

4094
02:23:42,120 --> 02:23:44,320
contact you. So, um kudos to you for

4095
02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:50,030
doing that for us. I appreciate it.

4096
02:23:50,040 --> 02:23:53,160
I just want to say thank you. Uh

4097
02:23:53,160 --> 02:23:54,080
you know,

4098
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:56,440
uh very appreciative of what you've done

4099
02:23:56,440 --> 02:23:57,840
and

4100
02:23:57,840 --> 02:24:00,080
uh I would not want to go out and search

4101
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:04,160
for another attorney right now. So, uh I

4102
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:07,560
think your rate is very fair, more than

4103
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:09,720
fair, and so

4104
02:24:09,720 --> 02:24:12,560
I'm I'm on board. I

4105
02:24:12,560 --> 02:24:15,960
Everything I have to say is good.

4106
02:24:15,960 --> 02:24:17,640
>> So, this isn't a question either. But,

4107
02:24:17,640 --> 02:24:20,120
just a little um commentary just a

4108
02:24:20,120 --> 02:24:22,360
refresher for our council. So, on April

4109
02:24:22,360 --> 02:24:24,440
30th at our budget meeting, and if

4110
02:24:24,440 --> 02:24:26,280
anybody wants to go back and listen to

4111
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:29,080
it, it's at minute 44 15 seconds. But,

4112
02:24:29,080 --> 02:24:30,920
so for about 11 and 1/2 minutes, we

4113
02:24:30,920 --> 02:24:33,240
discussed this, and I was the one that

4114
02:24:33,240 --> 02:24:36,120
brought this up to city council that I

4115
02:24:36,120 --> 02:24:37,720
felt like we needed to raise the

4116
02:24:37,720 --> 02:24:40,680
contract to 4,000. This was not

4117
02:24:40,680 --> 02:24:42,600
something that Darren had ever

4118
02:24:42,600 --> 02:24:45,440
approached me on. This was me as the

4119
02:24:45,440 --> 02:24:48,320
mayor, as I had noticed the workload

4120
02:24:48,320 --> 02:24:50,960
that we were expecting him to do, and I

4121
02:24:50,960 --> 02:24:53,040
went back, and I do have a copy of the

4122
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:55,920
RFP, and you know, to be quite honest,

4123
02:24:55,920 --> 02:25:01,400
the 2,500 was considerably reasonable, and I in my

4124
02:25:01,400 --> 02:25:04,240
mind, even I felt like a low amount for

4125
02:25:04,240 --> 02:25:06,160
the work that then when once you became

4126
02:25:06,160 --> 02:25:08,920
our attorney, we expected you to do. And

4127
02:25:08,920 --> 02:25:10,720
I know at that time, before we I even

4128
02:25:10,720 --> 02:25:12,280
brought this up to budget meeting, I had

4129
02:25:12,280 --> 02:25:14,080
talked to Cammie, our treasurer, to make

4130
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:16,040
sure the money was already available in

4131
02:25:16,040 --> 02:25:18,040
our budget, which it was.

4132
02:25:18,040 --> 02:25:20,000
And so, you know, I was the one that

4133
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:21,760
brought this up, and we had quite a good

4134
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:25,000
discussion of it at that night. So,

4135
02:25:25,000 --> 02:25:27,400
again, I say thank you. We really

4136
02:25:27,400 --> 02:25:29,800
appreciate the services that you've done

4137
02:25:29,800 --> 02:25:32,920
for Herriman City, and I feel like this

4138
02:25:32,920 --> 02:25:36,880
amount is is really still a reasonable,

4139
02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:39,560
good amount, and I feel like like you

4140
02:25:39,560 --> 02:25:40,880
mentioned, it It be good to have Nick's

4141
02:25:40,880 --> 02:25:43,080
experience as well. I think that could

4142
02:25:43,080 --> 02:25:44,840
be a benefit because,

4143
02:25:44,840 --> 02:25:46,160
you know, we've said for a long time

4144
02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:47,920
we're a new city, well we're not. We're

4145
02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:49,720
25 years old. We keep saying we're a

4146
02:25:49,720 --> 02:25:51,440
small city, well we're not. We're almost

4147
02:25:51,440 --> 02:25:53,920
10,000. So, it's time that we start

4148
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:56,680
moving into the next phase of the city

4149
02:25:56,680 --> 02:25:58,920
and we do need good legal counsel to

4150
02:25:58,920 --> 02:26:03,230
help us with that.

4151
02:26:03,240 --> 02:26:05,960
» Just a question on that line item you

4152
02:26:05,960 --> 02:26:08,360
just mentioned, 1041-4500,

4153
02:26:08,360 --> 02:26:10,080
attorney. Do you have budget

4154
02:26:10,080 --> 02:26:11,840
>> 45,000.

4155
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:13,680
Was there a reason for the extra 5,000

4156
02:26:13,680 --> 02:26:14,640
in

4157
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:16,560
>> So, we had So, if you go back to that

4158
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:19,200
budget, we have 45,000 under general

4159
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:21,680
funds. If you go to Seward, there's an

4160
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:24,160
additional 20,000. And if you go back

4161
02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:25,880
and listen to the meeting, we discussed

4162
02:26:25,880 --> 02:26:27,400
that quite a bit in that meeting as

4163
02:26:27,400 --> 02:26:30,000
well. That county said they split that

4164
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:32,680
up because there could be legal So, we

4165
02:26:32,680 --> 02:26:35,040
have a total of $65,000

4166
02:26:35,040 --> 02:26:37,120
which we had last year in our budget as

4167
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:40,880
well as in our fiscal year 2027 budget,

4168
02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:43,480
which will account for

4169
02:26:43,480 --> 02:26:45,320
what we are paying this So, if you do

4170
02:26:45,320 --> 02:26:49,120
the 4,000, we also paid Brandon Miles

4171
02:26:49,120 --> 02:26:51,560
for our prosecution. And then we did

4172
02:26:51,560 --> 02:26:53,840
also put on retainer

4173
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:55,680
water attorney. And all of this will be

4174
02:26:55,680 --> 02:26:57,680
covered under these legal

4175
02:26:57,680 --> 02:26:59,560
County also had mentioned that we do

4176
02:26:59,560 --> 02:27:01,240
have a quite a substantial amount of

4177
02:27:01,240 --> 02:27:03,800
contracting services which legal can

4178
02:27:03,800 --> 02:27:08,350
also go with our contracting.

4179
02:27:08,360 --> 02:27:10,720
» Well, another item

4180
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:12,840
and I wasn't This is This was before my

4181
02:27:12,840 --> 02:27:15,120
time, but

4182
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:17,120
when we

4183
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:19,440
hired Darren as the attorney, did we

4184
02:27:19,440 --> 02:27:23,080
have a plethora of other attorneys that

4185
02:27:23,080 --> 02:27:26,720
put in applications for our city to

4186
02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:28,840
do that? So, I'm assuming that that

4187
02:27:28,840 --> 02:27:30,920
meant we were getting a screaming deal

4188
02:27:30,920 --> 02:27:34,080
because if we had some ridiculous amount

4189
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:37,840
that he was requesting at that time

4190
02:27:37,840 --> 02:27:40,200
or that we contracted with, I'm pretty

4191
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:41,680
sure there would have been a whole lot

4192
02:27:41,680 --> 02:27:43,640
more interest in it. So, I'm thinking

4193
02:27:43,640 --> 02:27:48,920
he'd probably been giving us a pretty reasonable deal, or there would

4194
02:27:48,920 --> 02:27:50,480
have been a whole lot more competition

4195
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:53,600
for his service for this particular city

4196
02:27:53,600 --> 02:27:55,640
using that service.

4197
02:27:55,640 --> 02:27:56,760
>> Well, that's one thing you have to be

4198
02:27:56,760 --> 02:27:59,080
aware of is we are a small town, even

4199
02:27:59,080 --> 02:28:00,920
though we are growing, we do not have

4200
02:28:00,920 --> 02:28:02,520
the finances, we don't have the revenue

4201
02:28:02,520 --> 02:28:05,920
to hire a full-time attorney. We don't.

4202
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:07,800
And so, we are going to be contracting

4203
02:28:07,800 --> 02:28:10,280
our services. And so, again, I feel like

4204
02:28:10,280 --> 02:28:12,680
we are have a very qualified attorney. I

4205
02:28:12,680 --> 02:28:14,680
haven't met Nick yet, but from reading

4206
02:28:14,680 --> 02:28:16,680
his resume, I feel like then we would

4207
02:28:16,680 --> 02:28:18,680
have two very qualified attorneys, which

4208
02:28:18,680 --> 02:28:25,110
we did with yourself and and with Matt.

4209
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:27,640
» Curious, how old is Nick Ripley?

4210
02:28:27,640 --> 02:28:29,760
>> Um

4211
02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:31,200
He doesn't look it,

4212
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:33,720
but no, he's about 40 I don't want to

4213
02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:35,360
say 46.

4214
02:28:35,360 --> 02:28:36,360
>> That's

4215
02:28:36,360 --> 02:28:36,720
>> Yeah.

4216
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:37,840
>> That's a pretty damn young. That's

4217
02:28:37,840 --> 02:28:39,200
pretty young, so.

4218
02:28:39,200 --> 02:28:41,720
>> And his resume doesn't even show

4219
02:28:41,720 --> 02:28:43,440
So, he's he he he does cover as well

4220
02:28:43,440 --> 02:28:44,920
small cities, so he has that and he's

4221
02:28:44,920 --> 02:28:46,360
had that for a long time as well. He

4222
02:28:46,360 --> 02:28:48,040
does Mona.

4223
02:28:48,040 --> 02:28:50,240
Um so, he kind of has those issues under

4224
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:52,280
his belt with the small cities and then

4225
02:28:52,280 --> 02:28:54,080
as well Case Bill. And he's gone up to

4226
02:28:54,080 --> 02:28:55,720
the governor through I I think three

4227
02:28:55,720 --> 02:28:58,280
times for a judgeship. I'm been on the

4228
02:28:58,280 --> 02:29:00,480
short list. There's three attorneys that

4229
02:29:00,480 --> 02:29:02,840
are on that short list. So, he's a he's

4230
02:29:02,840 --> 02:29:05,120
just a very smart person.

4231
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:07,000
>> Well, I I'm just reading his agenda took

4232
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:09,520
me about 10 minutes. So, reading his

4233
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:12,440
qualifications, basically, that it's

4234
02:29:12,440 --> 02:29:13,840
totally impressive.

4235
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:15,760
And I'm not any kind of a legal mind,

4236
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:16,640
but

4237
02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:18,200
there's a there's a lot of stuff that

4238
02:29:18,200 --> 02:29:20,360
he's involved in that and a lot of these

4239
02:29:20,360 --> 02:29:21,840
things actually

4240
02:29:21,840 --> 02:29:24,520
probably would be very applicable to our

4241
02:29:24,520 --> 02:29:27,160
city, too. So, I you know, I think him

4242
02:29:27,160 --> 02:29:30,120
on board could do nothing but help us

4243
02:29:30,120 --> 02:29:31,560
out.

4244
02:29:31,560 --> 02:29:33,360
>> And so, I'll make a

4245
02:29:33,360 --> 02:29:35,400
Yes, we do need a motion. Just one quick

4246
02:29:35,400 --> 02:29:37,040
clarification for all of us, you're

4247
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:39,120
probably aware, we call this the third

4248
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:41,520
amendment and the reason is the first

4249
02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:43,480
amendment to the contract was when Matt

4250
02:29:43,480 --> 02:29:45,120
Wilson's father passed away and he

4251
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:47,400
changed the name of the law firm. The

4252
02:29:47,400 --> 02:29:49,320
second amendment then was when Matt was

4253
02:29:49,320 --> 02:29:51,080
no longer our attorney and then it went

4254
02:29:51,080 --> 02:29:53,640
just to Daren. So, this actually is the

4255
02:29:53,640 --> 02:29:56,520
third amendment to our contract in order

4256
02:29:56,520 --> 02:29:59,960
to have it now be um Daren and Nick.

4257
02:29:59,960 --> 02:30:01,080
>> So, yes.

4258
02:30:01,080 --> 02:30:02,280
>> Council member here, you're right. So,

4259
02:30:02,280 --> 02:30:03,560
if there's someone that would like to

4260
02:30:03,560 --> 02:30:05,440
make the motion of the approval of the

4261
02:30:05,440 --> 02:30:09,040
amendment to our legal counsel contract.

4262
02:30:09,040 --> 02:30:11,120
>> So be it.

4263
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:12,880
>> Okay, the motion is made by Council

4264
02:30:12,880 --> 02:30:15,160
member Roccaforte. Is there a second?

4265
02:30:15,160 --> 02:30:16,480
>> I'll second it.

4266
02:30:16,480 --> 02:30:19,280
>> Second is made by Council member um

4267
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,080
Hancock.

4268
02:30:21,080 --> 02:30:22,560
Is this something we need to do a roll

4269
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:24,000
call vote?

4270
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:25,760
>> Um can you run that over there?

4271
02:30:25,760 --> 02:30:27,880
>> Yes, for finance for finance. Yes.

4272
02:30:27,880 --> 02:30:29,480
>> We need to make it do a roll call vote.

4273
02:30:29,480 --> 02:30:32,000
Okay, so we are going to do that then.

4274
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:33,800
So, we will start with Council member

4275
02:30:33,800 --> 02:30:35,000
Hill.

4276
02:30:35,000 --> 02:30:35,920
>> Yes.

4277
02:30:35,920 --> 02:30:38,080
>> Council mem- Council member Roccaforte.

4278
02:30:38,080 --> 02:30:38,680
>> Yes.

4279
02:30:38,680 --> 02:30:39,800
>> Council member Hancock.

4280
02:30:39,800 --> 02:30:40,360
>> Yes.

4281
02:30:40,360 --> 02:30:41,560
>> Council member Flowers.

4282
02:30:41,560 --> 02:30:42,320
>> Yes.

4283
02:30:42,320 --> 02:30:44,040
>> Okay, that covers. Thank you. We

4284
02:30:44,040 --> 02:30:45,640
appreciate all you do.

4285
02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:47,080
>> Now, I'm going back to be

4286
02:30:47,080 --> 02:30:48,760
>> Okay.

4287
02:30:48,760 --> 02:30:52,120
the next thing we have then is um

4288
02:30:52,120 --> 02:30:54,480
to move into a closed session. We need a

4289
02:30:54,480 --> 02:30:56,520
motion to move. There are some things we

4290
02:30:56,520 --> 02:30:57,960
need to to discuss.

4291
02:30:57,960 --> 02:31:00,080
>> Actually, Council, can we have a pause?

4292
02:31:00,080 --> 02:31:01,000
>> Oh, sure.

4293
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:03,480
>> And could I Flowers, can I talk to you

4294
02:31:03,480 --> 02:31:04,800
outside?

4295
02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:14,190
Just a few minutes.

4296
02:31:14,200 --> 02:31:16,360
Is Is the popcorn popping?

4297
02:31:16,360 --> 02:31:18,480
Pop. It's like the popcorn music.

4298
02:31:18,480 --> 02:31:21,200
>> All the inter-cultural

4299
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:24,950
>> Did you get your stuff here? Okay.

4300
02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:26,240
So, do

4301
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:27,640
That's to do on Thursday nights, we come

4302
02:31:27,640 --> 02:31:30,120
here with my friends to ramble.

4303
02:31:30,120 --> 02:31:31,760
Look at that.

4304
02:31:31,760 --> 02:31:33,440
And that's one of the That's one of the

4305
02:31:33,440 --> 02:31:45,470
yes, right?

4306
02:31:45,480 --> 02:31:47,040
I don't know about that.

4307
02:31:47,040 --> 02:31:50,600
That's in charge of chemistry class.

4308
02:31:50,600 --> 02:31:56,110
He asked you to go out there.

4309
02:31:56,120 --> 02:31:57,360
Hey Chris.

4310
02:31:57,360 --> 02:31:58,800
Take it back.

4311
02:31:58,800 --> 02:32:05,750
She told me how tough you are, too.

4312
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:07,400
Chris, I'm sorry. Good try.

4313
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:08,800
Oh, thank you.

4314
02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:11,390
Yes, sir.

4315
02:32:11,400 --> 02:32:12,280
It's all right.

4316
02:32:12,280 --> 02:32:15,030
church

4317
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:17,160
Oh, I actually read it today. I read

4318
02:32:17,160 --> 02:32:19,480
some little post on the

4319
02:32:19,480 --> 02:32:22,310
Catholic Church.

4320
02:32:22,320 --> 02:32:24,320
She drinks out of the bottle.

4321
02:32:24,320 --> 02:32:26,840
She ordered several bottles.

4322
02:32:26,840 --> 02:32:28,600
Well, like 30 years ago they told him

4323
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:30,880
she had 3 months. Jesus. Well, I think

4324
02:32:30,880 --> 02:32:32,720
she beat that.

4325
02:32:32,720 --> 02:32:34,680
How old is she also now?

4326
02:32:34,680 --> 02:32:39,070
77.

4327
02:32:39,080 --> 02:32:40,880
That's even older than me.

4328
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:42,440
Yeah, yeah, you're back here cuz you're

4329
02:32:42,440 --> 02:32:44,440
in the slow, too, huh?

4330
02:32:44,440 --> 02:32:46,160
Yeah, it's been some tough road.

4331
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:48,760
Put it in there. In the RV group. Yes,

4332
02:32:48,760 --> 02:32:51,030
sir.

4333
02:32:51,040 --> 02:32:53,840
I wish she hadn't gone there.

4334
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:55,400
They had a horse trailer. What was the

4335
02:32:55,400 --> 02:32:57,440
final blow about her?

4336
02:32:57,440 --> 02:32:59,840
Oh my gosh.

4337
02:32:59,840 --> 02:33:01,840
We built it. A monkey would have climbed

4338
02:33:01,840 --> 02:33:03,920
up the scaffolding and swing on that

4339
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:06,000
thing.

4340
02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:09,080
We used to go catch carp all there. for

4341
02:33:09,080 --> 02:33:11,790
the

4342
02:33:11,800 --> 02:33:14,400
What's wrong with you? We all have

4343
02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:16,120
Yeah, but how many Your immune system's

4344
02:33:16,120 --> 02:33:17,440
going to mute system. How many of your

4345
02:33:17,440 --> 02:33:20,760
friends have direct sewage? That's true.

4346
02:33:20,760 --> 02:33:23,000
I didn't see the puppy there.

4347
02:33:23,000 --> 02:33:24,480
Shady, I'm probably just going to kill

4348
02:33:24,480 --> 02:33:26,040
the recording.

4349
02:33:26,040 --> 02:33:27,280
Yeah, I can say

4350
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:29,400
you want to tell them we're going to

4351
02:33:29,400 --> 02:33:31,400
have a closed and then a closed door and

4352
02:33:31,400 --> 02:33:32,560
then we'll

4353
02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:39,910
you know close

4354
02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:41,160
I'm going to kill I'm going to kill your

4355
02:33:41,160 --> 02:33:44,070
video.

4356
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:45,720
» I didn't think the video was even

4357
02:33:45,720 --> 02:33:46,560
working.

4358
02:33:46,560 --> 02:34:30,190
>> Yeah, we got it. I got it going.

4359
02:34:30,200 --> 02:34:31,960
» Councilor you're right to to move on

4360
02:34:31,960 --> 02:34:32,400
now, then.

4361
02:34:32,400 --> 02:34:33,120
>> Yes, yes, please.

4362
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:35,480
>> Okay. Um, so we need to have someone

4363
02:34:35,480 --> 02:34:38,240
make a motion to move into a closed

4364
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:40,360
session and you need to read the

4365
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:42,400
discussion of the strategy and number

4366
02:34:42,400 --> 02:34:45,120
three needs to be in your motion of why

4367
02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:47,040
we would be moving into a closed

4368
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:51,030
session.

4369
02:34:51,040 --> 02:34:55,760
» I make a motion to move into a closed

4370
02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:57,080
meeting

4371
02:34:57,080 --> 02:35:00,200
with a discussion of strategy sessions

4372
02:35:00,200 --> 02:35:02,800
to discuss pending or reasonably

4373
02:35:02,800 --> 02:35:07,320
imminent litigation pursuant to UCA

4374
02:35:07,320 --> 02:35:12,790
52-4-205

4375
02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:16,240
number one in parentheses and number C

4376
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:20,000
or letter C in parentheses.

4377
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:21,760
>> Okay, the motion was made by council

4378
02:35:21,760 --> 02:35:23,920
member

4379
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:25,360
>> Rappalletto.

4380
02:35:25,360 --> 02:35:27,200
to move into closed our

4381
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:28,400
meeting.

4382
02:35:28,400 --> 02:35:29,880
Is there a second?

4383
02:35:29,880 --> 02:35:31,240
>> I'll second that motion.

4384
02:35:31,240 --> 02:35:32,840
>> Second is made by council member

4385
02:35:32,840 --> 02:35:34,720
Hancock. All in favor?

4386
02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:35,880
>> I.

4387
02:35:35,880 --> 02:35:37,640
>> Okay, any opposed?

4388
02:35:37,640 --> 02:35:38,880
Okay, we're going to move into closed

4389
02:35:38,880 --> 02:35:40,920
our meeting. There will not be any

4390
02:35:40,920 --> 02:35:42,920
voting done after this. So, after our

4391
02:35:42,920 --> 02:35:43,840
closed

4392
02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:45,080
session, we will just have

4393
02:35:45,080 --> 02:35:46,400
>> an adjournment.

4394
02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:47,720
>> Thank you. Thank you for coming.

4395
02:35:47,720 --> 02:36:04,670
>> Recording stopped.

4396
02:36:04,680 --> 02:36:05,800
» So moved.

4397
02:36:05,800 --> 02:36:06,720
>> Okay, motion was

4398
02:36:06,720 --> 02:36:07,560
>> I second.

4399
02:36:07,560 --> 02:36:09,240
>> Motion is made by council member Hill,

4400
02:36:09,240 --> 02:36:11,200
seconded by council member Rappalletto.

4401
02:36:11,200 --> 02:36:12,040
All in favor?

4402
02:36:12,040 --> 02:36:12,760
>> I.

4403
02:36:12,760 --> 02:36:15,920
>> Okay, meeting is adjourned.