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Hey, what are you drinking?

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>> It's called a zip fizz.

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>> Zip fizz.

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>> Basically just kind of like an energy

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drink, but I already had a monster

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today, so

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do Oh, nice.

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>> G vitamin supposed to give you energy.

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Better drinking water.

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Looks really fun.

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All

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right. Call our staff meeting to

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for June 11th,

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2026 planning commission meeting.

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First thing

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to do.

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» Yeah.

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and then

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this

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one. So the first conditional use permit

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request for Mr.

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There's been

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letters went out. They didn't get to

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res.

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So we have some resending

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litigation

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over property line. It seems

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I don't know. So we might want to hear

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the public comment and maybe depending

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on what the concerns that might be so

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resction.

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» Better safe than sorry.

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>> Yeah.

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» And I'll I'll resend out if that's the

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route you choose to go. I'll resend the

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letters out for July so that they have

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that updated date. If that's the right

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» they're saying the fence is in the wrong

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spot and so

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>> the fence does this the whole way down

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in the wrong spot.

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Well, that's he's also that's too tall,

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isn't it?

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>> Half a foot too tall.

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>> Yeah.

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» So, it

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zone that it's

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We can still hear the

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public.

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» I agree.

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>> Alan Car said he'd be here for the

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homeowner, so he'll come and speak on I

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had called him and he said, "Well, we'll

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still be there to hear what's going on."

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So, they'll be here as well.

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and then next. So any other questions if

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we table that does anybody have any

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concerns

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Next one is just

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I didn't see

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» this is by our new

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>> that's

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We change that ordinance next month.

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» All right. And then this seems to be the

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big one today with a lot of packet

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information.

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Everybody have a chance to review that?

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things they want to discuss about

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31 regarding the elevation?

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So, I I made a couple of phone calls

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today.

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I I looked up Weaver County. Weber at

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um it's been a long day I called

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talked to their planning zoning they

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don't use an elevation metric they use

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some different standards where depending

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on where you're at bluff

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pass on the west side and

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You have to do a six month water study,

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have the Army Corps of Engineers sign

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off on it, and if it's below a certain

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level by the Army Corps standards, you

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have to pay for a lift station for the

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sewer. That pretty much shuts everybody

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down. Then they call Farmington.

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right now is 42

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and they're moving to 4220.

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And those, you know, when when I looked

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through that letter, a couple from the

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attorney, some of the cities they put on

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there, like Summit County, I think there

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>> How's that helpful? They're totally

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different than us anyway.

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>> Yeah. So, that's why I wanted to call a

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couple that were right.

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» I think West Point was

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based off

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the guy in Farmington, his name's L was

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really helpful and he was talking about

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a couple feet above that

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discussing up to 42

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different I don't know what's changing

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but they're more concerned the water

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comes So, I don't know. This was kind of

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a tough one.

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prepared for a short version.

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You want to kind

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of twice?

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>> No, I think it give everybody good

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» One thing that's a little different from

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Farmington and West Point is our biggest

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risk of flooding is the south fork of

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the Weaver River before it gets to the

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lake.

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elevation probably won't flood us

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you work there at le county but the

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ordinance I read does call that

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elevation you said but then they have a

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three foot wave action and so they're

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depends who you talk to them see so we

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4215 or 16 I can't remember exactly

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two foot above that sometime. So

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>> Yeah. But really we always have them go

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back to like a geo technical study or

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engineering study and it kind of depends

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where they're at too. So it's we kind of

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code is not necessarily like it's good

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but it's not good at the same time. I

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don't know.

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>> it has flexibility.

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that a little bit, but at the same time,

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you almost kind of want to cut the sand.

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county.

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>> Oh, yeah.

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>> What section is it? I was going to bring

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you up.

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>> What's that?

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>> What's the section?

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>> Oh, this is really old, but it's the one

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that they sent the attorney

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in 1986.

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>> It's old.

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» Yeah. 16.

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» That's what they all said today.

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>> Yeah. 4 through15. And then Yeah. We see

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>> what was how finished floor.

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you want to go through like the example

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that that's kind of what I'm getting at.

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reviewed those other things, I don't

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think we're near as far apart on on

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agreeing on what we need as all the

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drama has kind of come out to be. But

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this basically explains what I'm talking

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about and I'm requesting that we make

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happen. If you build

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uh the houses right at 4215

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and we happen to have another gear that

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that's the flood

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anything that supports the house you got

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your road section curb and gutter water

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meter drain boxes storm drain is

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inundated. It isn't going to drain their

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subdivision. If we move the house up to

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4220, that gives us a little bit that

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five feet gives us room to put this

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infrastructure in the ground. If the

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flood comes up to our 4215 line, we can

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still drain out. Everything still works

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and it's not saturated. That's really

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the whole point of why we changed it to

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4220. Now we can change verbiage or as

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long as we achieve that I'm happy. But

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that's the real reason that the whole

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thing occurred and then switch one more

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two more. So this is real world things

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we're looking at as we speak. So if you

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go over to Austin Ranch, these are the

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Austin Ranch lots. And back when Roger

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farmed that, there was a I don't know if

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it was natural or he scraped the ground

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and made it, but there's a big bluff

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right here.

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Below that is pasture and wetlands and

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ponds.

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So this the ordinance that's in now

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wasn't in place when they developed, but

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it just made sense. It was the only way

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it worked. And so that's why Tracy and I

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decided we should probably get some

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clarification on this. Let me explain

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the importance of this. So these they're

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hard to see. These are 4219 and change.

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the back of these lots. That's roughly

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the 4220 line. The bottom of this pond

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is 4215.

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The bank is 4218.

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This is our detention basin. The bottom

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of it is 4215 as well.

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this document. There's a 42 in storm

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drain line that comes down and dumps

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into that pond. That's this pond.

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drains a significant portion of West

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Haven and our city. That's a big pipe

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for a storm rain pipe. So, if we come

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down here and dump it into this pond at

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4215's the bottom of it, I don't know

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why we would ever want lots down equal

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to the bottom of the pond.

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So, it kind of is like we stumble around

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over these numbers, but it really only

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makes sense to build it that way. And if

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you go over there and look at it in real

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life, it makes sense. I don't know who'd

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want their house down equal with that.

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When you look at, you know, so this is

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the a proposal for the land, the Tori

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property coming in. They can still get

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their lots. They just need to move this

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road up a little bit and bring them

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along like Rosson's did. But getting

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them clear out in here, I mean, this is

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a pond as well. 4215 is clear down here

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in the neck where it drains out.

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>> I can't imagine we'd want lots down that

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well.

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>> And I can't make the storm drain work

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when it gets that low, right?

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>> So, honestly, half the time the design

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of the subdivision would push everything

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up anyways.

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>> Yeah. And I mean, like just thinking

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about this from their standpoint and

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fairness and I'm happy if we want to

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rewrite the ordinance and say we 4215's

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still the number because it really is

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the basis of our number anyway.

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>> Yeah,

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>> we start there with our utilities and

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work our way up. Wherever they end up

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with their lots is where they end up.

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>> So, I just think this is either going to

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be a great question or really dumb. And

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I'll take it either way because I still

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want the answer. So, if they're below

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that grade, you either can't build on it

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or you have to bring in Phil to bring it

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up. certain percentage of the fill.

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>> And right now there's a there's a caveat

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in there about how much filling that

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could be written better than it is.

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>> So let me tell you our thought process

280
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>> about the fill. So to just keep filling

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out and filling out I don't think that's

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very

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>> wise. The 10% they talked about is

284
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things like this. There's little things

285
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that come up into the ground that is

286
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suitable and it just needs a little bit

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of fill in it. We allowed that and I

288
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think the ordinance says up to 10%.

289
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But to just keep filling out, I think

290
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there's a number of problems and you can

291
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probably weigh in on this. One thing I

292
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see with the geotech reports, they're

293
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like, "Yeah, you can fill it, but that

294
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4T of fill is on mush."

295
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>> Yeah. So, like the one for the birds out

296
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there, I I don't quote me on this, but I

297
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believe the geotech says you can build

298
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that up, but you need to X out 20 ft and

299
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put granular fill in in order to support

300
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that. And I'm just like, why do we even

301
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want to go there?

302
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>> And the other problem that I see with

303
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fill is people, it's expensive. If you

304
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buy

305
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>> compactable granular fill, it's going to

306
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cost you more than a lot. But they start

307
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hauling in dirt. other jobs and it

308
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doesn't ever match. You can't get a

309
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proctor to compaction test it. You got

310
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these geotech problems underneath. I

311
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think it's probably just a good thing to

312
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avoid.

313
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» I

314
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Yeah, the biggest thing is making storm

315
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drain work. I mean, you don't want pumps

316
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for storm drain.

317
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>> No, never.

318
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>> And so that's going to kind of naturally

319
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bring stuff up anyways the further you

320
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get out west.

321
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And it does change a little bit as you

322
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come across town like the like when you

323
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get to West Point. They're more

324
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endangered by the lake or the slooh.

325
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>> Sure.

326
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>> Ours is the way from the other

327
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direction.

328
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» So I'm not opposed to some clarification

329
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or some change. I just those are the key

330
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things that are important to us that the

331
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drought we're in, you probably could go

332
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build a house out there and be just fine

333
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for but one day you won't be according

334
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to the people that this. So

335
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>> that's I think a crucial point of it too

336
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is like we don't want to make drastic

337
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changes in a dry year and think oh we're

338
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going to be fine and then 10 years from

339
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now the weather changes and now we're

340
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already up against it

341
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» from a legal standpoint on their side

342
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with the case law

343
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I guess does that open us up we do

344
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Are we at risk? It seems like if we do

345
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nothing, we're at risk that way. Is

346
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there some middle ground that like Jared

347
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was saying that gets us some of that

348
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language in there and still gets Jared

349
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his

350
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requirements that

351
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to make the water drain system work

352
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along those lines and doesn't expose us

353
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to the risk of those

354
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saw that they mentioned that the other

355
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is there.

356
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» Yeah. And I I wonder too if maybe the

357
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suitability suitability

358
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part of our ordinance isn't the place

359
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for that. Maybe we need a standalone

360
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ordinance about elevation

361
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rather than including it. suitability.

362
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It really deals with a whole bunch of

363
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other stuff.

364
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» He said he was.

365
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» Another question I have for them is they

366
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wanted evidence based finding that I was

367
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just like an expl

368
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those what they would deem as evidence

369
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based from the city standpoint.

370
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What what do they want us to provide

371
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in that case right?

372
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» Yeah. Does the elevation maps that show

373
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the drainage points of ponds at 4215

374
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support that arguments enough to hold up

375
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in court?

376
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,960
>> Which I think it would, but I'm not

377
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looking.

378
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,240
>> There's quite a bit of documentation

379
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that the state

380
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,520
engineers there's a lot of stuff out

381
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there that supports that 425

382
00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:28,559
I guess

383
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>> and common sense. I mean, I would you go to a few of these points. There's a

384
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couple places you look out there and

385
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think, well, probably be all right right

386
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,200
there. But there's I bet at least half,

387
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if not more of these, if you drive out

388
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there and look, you'll be like, "Yeah,

389
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we probably shouldn't be building

390
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,760
subdivisions out there."

391
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,880
>> Yeah. Well, that's why would be feasible

392
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if we built

393
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,320
between certain parameters you need a

394
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,679
study.

395
00:20:55,679 --> 00:21:00,240
>> I was like for even stuff because I know

396
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that the

397
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county has you the health department has

398
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,799
for

399
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just to see how fast it drains the water

400
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,360
soil is different, right? Like is there

401
00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,080
something that we can put in there that

402
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,320
would further help provide that evidence

403
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to say

404
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,630
that go and

405
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,280
The hard part I think with like a just a

406
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,280
full on geoteex

407
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if you go study it this year it's going

408
00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:32,159
to tell you it's fine and and it's too

409
00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:34,240
long to say you got it you know if you

410
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,960
don't do it in a relatively wet year I

411
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,360
don't think that's accurate data I think

412
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:42,880
>> yeah that's what that's why I saw the

413
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,400
problem with Syracuse they wanted a

414
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,000
sixmon water study but if you did it in

415
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,440
the last six months you're fine Yeah.

416
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,400
I hate to tell somebody they can't use,

417
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,630
but

418
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,919
usable. They just have to bring in a lot

419
00:21:57,919 --> 00:21:58,480
of pill.

420
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:12,789
>> Yeah.

421
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:14,320
» So, they're looking for us to make a

422
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,320
recommendation to change that will go to

423
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:22,710
the

424
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,760
I didn't think was all that crazy. I

425
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,320
mean, it's not like we're miles apart.

426
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,320
We may just have to get our attorney and

427
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,159
make sure we're covered on the things

428
00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:34,559
we're worried about. I didn't It wasn't

429
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:38,549
like

430
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:39,360
reasonable.

431
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,110
>> I agree.

432
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,480
» Well, that's you know, that's my

433
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,200
concern. Like, you're you're your home

434
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,960
and building out there, then that's kind

435
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,280
of on you. You get a guy like me and I

436
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,909
move out here.

437
00:22:57,919 --> 00:23:00,480
In 10 years from now, I've got to have

438
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,280
six sump pumps in my basement.

439
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,789
I'm not real

440
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:09,919
scary with this. You want something that

441
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:13,280
the river and water's coming back at you

442
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,799
from the west.

443
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:17,440
>> We've got huge pumps out. We can't

444
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,039
>> Well, you're going to pump it into the

445
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:20,320
pond at the pond's coming right back at

446
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,440
you.

447
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,480
>> One big cycle.

448
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,080
>> Yeah. Mean that big that last big

449
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,320
raintorm last August, whatever it was,

450
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,679
everything was full. Didn't matter where

451
00:23:27,679 --> 00:23:30,000
you're pumping. There you

452
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,760
>> just flood.

453
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,919
One thing that mean comment obviously

454
00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:36,000
the lowest floor like in this area like

455
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,919
no basements at all, right? Like even if

456
00:23:37,919 --> 00:23:40,320
they want to do a basement, put a pump

457
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,200
in there for sewer. Is there something

458
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,799
in that code that says I guess the

459
00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:46,240
slowest low lowest floor height?

460
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,799
>> The counties does and our ours our

461
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,559
subdivision ordinance says they can't

462
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:54,080
have a basement without land system.

463
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,559
problem is the legislator should change

464
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,799
the state code to say if they have a

465
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:03,110
geotech

466
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,120
» which I don't disagree with other than

467
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:12,149
we can certainly do a geotech

468
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:15,120
» yeah well we had there was a person who

469
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,080
did a study for septic

470
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,720
in like 23 when we had the big wet stuff

471
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,440
didn't pass this now neighbor came in

472
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,360
the past and now that guy's mad. You

473
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,600
have to wait so long before you get your

474
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,559
do your septic feasibility again. It's

475
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:31,679
kind of funny.

476
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:33,760
>> Just exactly what you're saying.

477
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,590
>> Just never know.

478
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:47,909
» Sounds like we have a lot of questions.

479
00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:56,549
Were

480
00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,640
they requesting the 4215

481
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,149
or were they just requesting

482
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:10,240
some new language here?

483
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,200
>> I mean really what they're

484
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:18,789
>> Yeah, they do have the 4215 in there.

485
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,520
But I I I think everybody agrees on the

486
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,279
4215 part. And like I say, it wasn't

487
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,679
ever our intention to challenge that or

488
00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:29,679
say that's inaccurate. It is. That's

489
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:32,559
just where we need to start development

490
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:34,559
of utilities. Not

491
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:35,840
>> Yeah. So that's that's where the

492
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,679
difference is development of utilities

493
00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:41,520
versus development of house.

494
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,120
>> And so does their 421 they want to go 5t

495
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,080
lower?

496
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,320
>> They want to go houses.

497
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,080
is that is that I guess I'm asking is

498
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,840
that is that how that is

499
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,279
>> really all they're asking for is

500
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:54,799
clarification on what our standard

501
00:25:54,799 --> 00:26:11,909
means.

502
00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:15,990
a little different.

503
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,480
» Well, I think the Weaver County is most

504
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,159
applicable and it certainly has

505
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:23,200
provisions in there that allows for

506
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,159
that. 4215 is the bottom and then

507
00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:27,840
there's different conditions that

508
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,440
transit from that.

509
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,000
>> Yeah.

510
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,919
>> And that basically is the same thing

511
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:34,159
we're doing just in a different.

512
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,240
>> Yeah. And this is saying so no building

513
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,960
can be on that property unless 20,000

514
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,799
foot of it's at 4215. But even then the

515
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,440
lowest habitable floor is at 4216. So

516
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,840
you're still going up a little bit. So

517
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,400
they're saying the property itself has

518
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,520
to be

519
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,190
>> 42

520
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,840
» potential.

521
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,799
>> Yeah. Potentially.

522
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:58,559
>> Yeah. So they're allowing utilities

523
00:26:58,559 --> 00:26:59,440
below the floor.

524
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,080
>> Yeah.

525
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,520
>> Below the 4250.

526
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,760
>> Yeah.

527
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,000
I don't know that was written in 1986

528
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,480
and there's a section that contemplates

529
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,120
if you're doing septic you got to be 2

530
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,679
feet above that and so much cover and it

531
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:16,400
puts above 4220

532
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,960
>> and in theory we're not doing septic

533
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,880
anymore but we still have something

534
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,640
drained into that 425 and I think

535
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,430
basically saying the same thing

536
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,320
» 86

537
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,760
>> I was just texting

538
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,799
planner CP editing updated in the code.

539
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,200
I don't know yet. I don't talked about

540
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,400
it a lot at least that we've been

541
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,520
counting but I I like the idea of kind

542
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,760
of maybe having a number like the 416 or

543
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,159
maybe even 17 or something similar to

544
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:52,480
that anyways but then yeah giving the

545
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,880
maybe a little more flexible as far as

546
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,960
the geotech or as far as the what the

547
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,360
design calls for on the subdivision.

548
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,399
How far below grade is your sewer at

549
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:05,279
vacuum usually?

550
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,840
>> That's a whole another Oh, I'm not that

551
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,520
worried about sewer because it should be

552
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,799
a sealed system. You could have

553
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,360
influence on the gravity. The gravity is

554
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,440
going to be way below that. Yeah. Like

555
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,880
this gravity right here's 20 ft deep in

556
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,360
branch.

557
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:22,559
>> Are you having a lift station on this

558
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:24,720
one then?

559
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,720
>> But the vacuum sewer is not that deep.

560
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,520
I'm not as worried about that as the

561
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,679
storm drain just doesn't work if it's

562
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:33,600
already full of water when a big storm

563
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:34,399
comes.

564
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:40,630
>> Yeah, I think my vacuum's at 36 in.

565
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,120
You feel like type of ground plays into

566
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,880
how soil and things like that change

567
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,760
based off the piece of ground

568
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,279
on where you

569
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,360
>> probably certainly would under normal

570
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,960
conditions but I don't know under that.

571
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,520
I mean we're talking about I don't know

572
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,200
if the lake will ever get that high

573
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,360
again but that's kind of the data we're

574
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,120
working off of.

575
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,120
>> I don't think the soil will matter then

576
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,799
but I mean it would

577
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,440
circumstances that they could

578
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,279
>> I mean

579
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,320
yeah if we're talking about the drain

580
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,279
coming down most storm or whatever

581
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:40,310
being able

582
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,640
experience. It was like 10 years ago. I

583
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,039
cleaned that main drain with the track

584
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,120
that goes out right to the south fork of

585
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,760
the Weaver River. When we got to the end

586
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,679
of it, you don't realize how flat that

587
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:53,840
is. And took the last few scoops, the

588
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,159
river ran back halfway up the ditch that

589
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:58,159
I just cleaned. The water was going the

590
00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:02,159
wrong way. It wasn't a storm. It was a

591
00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:05,200
little bit kind of set in my mind how

592
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:19,190
flat that is out there.

593
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:30,070
Jurassic

594
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,880
if you'd like me to prepare. Yeah, I

595
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,120
think that's helpful for everybody

596
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,549
on the same

597
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:49,110
time.

598
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,200
Call up the representative. Ask

599
00:30:51,200 --> 00:31:01,190
questions. Attorneys

600
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:07,430
kind of Anything

601
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:15,750
else you guys want to discuss about

602
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,950
that

603
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,350
risk of

604
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,230
do nothing?

605
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,080
How do we

606
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:39,669
interest.

607
00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:42,720
Okay. Now, last one is just a discussion

608
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,440
item

609
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,399
for new ordinance. Doesn't look like it

610
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:52,000
just as discuss. This is around the

611
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,840
group home section

612
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,720
or amendment. So, right now it's just

613
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,120
kind of

614
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,480
group homes are allowed

615
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,200
conditionally everywhere.

616
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
So, it's just kind of lumped in there.

617
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,840
We might want to look at more

618
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,640
granular and resial versus commercial.

619
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,480
The one thing that I could see this

620
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,279
benefiting is I think everybody's

621
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,440
retireen

622
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,760
living

623
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,880
there within the residential

624
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,919
neighborhood. I think the

625
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:34,000
angst that I would have is like you have

626
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
your drug rehab center right there in

627
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,840
the middle of your resial area. So how

628
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,720
do we in that in those ordinances and

629
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:48,389
amendments? How do we balance those two?

630
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:59,669
situations

631
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:05,029
by

632
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,279
» I think right now

633
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:13,990
correct me if I'm wrong ordinance

634
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,360
four

635
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,600
>> y up to four unrelated persons with or

636
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,120
without children living together or

637
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600
single housekeeping unit or in a

638
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:29,430
dwelling unit.

639
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:37,430
» Your guys's thoughts on residential

640
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,000
I know the state

641
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640
when I was listening to the city council

642
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,440
talk about this the state

643
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,320
won't let you

644
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:57,269
prohibit some of those in resial

645
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:01,360
zone. You can control the size

646
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,440
and I don't think it matter what it was

647
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,080
for. It could have been elderly care,

648
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,399
could disability care, could be drug

649
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:12,480
alcohol, but that you can't limit

650
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,000
where they type.

651
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,919
I guess that's

652
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:20,159
>> Yeah, if I could interject, it's it's

653
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,480
from the federal fair housing act,

654
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,399
persons with disabilities, which can

655
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:29,839
include um drug addiction. So, uh so

656
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:32,720
elderly, um adults with disabilities,

657
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:36,000
people going through drug treatment, um

658
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,879
troubled youth, uh you know, those they

659
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:42,240
are all protected as a development use.

660
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:43,679
You have to allow them anywhere that you

661
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,839
would allow residential development

662
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:47,599
within the community. However, as has

663
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,679
been mentioned, you can control the

664
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,000
size, you can control things like

665
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,399
parking access, you know, things like

666
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:56,720
that. But yeah, you have to allow them

667
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,400
that's that's a federal law. You have to

668
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,920
allow them anywhere. You cannot

669
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,079
discriminate against them in any way

670
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,240
that you would

671
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:19,030
allow any other type of housing.

672
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,760
» I I know some of the stuff they were

673
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,320
having

674
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,160
discussion about was the definition of

675
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,920
family like what how you can control

676
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,599
that so you don't end up with

677
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:56,069
house.

678
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:01,430
So they've got limited to four

679
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,950
So that's what they wanted us to look at

680
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,310
the amount of people

681
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,230
» to reduce that number.

682
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:27,589
There were some other questions in there

683
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,000
for more than eight juveniles under 18y

684
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,920
old. So as you get a little further

685
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,040
down, they start talking about

686
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,359
children's treatment facilities. That's

687
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:36,480
where they were starting to look into

688
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,320
some of the numbers.

689
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,560
>> You know, not a lot of discussion about

690
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,800
daycare facilities

691
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,200
or dayare

692
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,000
like drug and alcohol treatment

693
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,680
for adult patients there isn't

694
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,200
so like if you read that one drug and

695
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,280
alcohol treatment establishment portion

696
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,720
there isn't a number so provides a

697
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,920
treatment program for adult patient

698
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,839
>> it's on the previous

699
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:05,920
>> yeah the next

700
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,270
>> goes down

701
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,880
» group of more than 10 people not related

702
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,400
don't

703
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,000
Does that tie to that? I don't think

704
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,359
it's tied to that drug and alcohol

705
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:18,240
treatment.

706
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,320
>> It's like a new header.

707
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,599
>> Family.

708
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,200
>> Yeah, I agree. That one doesn't have a

709
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:23,760
quantity.

710
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,640
>> So, I know I think they're looking for

711
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,680
kind of our thoughts on

712
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,560
quantity there.

713
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,079
>> It's funny because every other one has

714
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:33,760
quantity in it

715
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,520
>> and daycare doesn't either. Oh, no.

716
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:41,349
Daycare does 12 or 12 individuals.

717
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:45,829
» Foster care.

718
00:37:45,839 --> 00:38:11,510
7 to 13 children.

719
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:19,670
I don't know

720
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,240
for the like what is a reasonable

721
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,359
I guess how can they reasonably not

722
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:30,640
reason but how can they effectively

723
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,480
treat these people like what's the

724
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,160
required amount of space that they need

725
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:40,950
to administer that treatment process

726
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:46,230
Are they

727
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,589
trying to find

728
00:38:49,599 --> 00:39:03,349
how many staff they had to have per

729
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:06,240
children's treatment facility which I'm

730
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:07,760
not sure how he defile provides

731
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,079
treatment for substance abuse. So that

732
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,440
one for kids all it says is making sure

733
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,200
that they have permanent provisions for

734
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,520
more than 18 or more than eight

735
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:26,079
juveniles but there's not a maximum on that

736
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:31,510
provides treatment for substance abuse

737
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,680
include group foster homes with more

738
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,240
than 13.

739
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:43,109
I think that's kind

740
00:39:43,119 --> 00:40:39,589
of

741
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:41,839
That's

742
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:44,640
>> Yeah, I think when they went through

743
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,440
this the first and second time

744
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,760
and they kept talking about that there

745
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,400
is it doesn't go city by city on some of

746
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,560
that stuff that's like state

747
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,000
>> what kind of education what kind of

748
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,160
basically certifications they all that

749
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:09,190
kind of

750
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,640
multiple people. Each person has 60 ft

751
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200
room

752
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,200
and then male and females have to be

753
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:26,950
separated.

754
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,359
You can't mix

755
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:33,589
in there.

756
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:34,960
Just looking for numbers. What are your

757
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:52,470
guys thoughts on the numbers?

758
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,319
» Yeah. So, are we trying to put a maximum

759
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:55,760
number in there and then if they wanted

760
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,040
to go above the max, they'd have to get

761
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,190
a conditional use?

762
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:23,510
It's a conditional use max.

763
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,160
This is a discuss

764
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:56,309
Attention.

765
00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:07,510
Amendment

766
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:18,630
specific.

767
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,630
So

768
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,309
I don't know that

769
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:30,480
Because you can be court ordered into

770
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,480
a facility. The way this reads,

771
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,319
placement of group home facility shall

772
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:39,440
be on a strictly voluntary basis

773
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,040
and

774
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:54,870
part.

775
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:06,390
That's what I'm

776
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:22,069
speaking.

777
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,270
That applies to

778
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,119
examples that we have

779
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:44,870
next

780
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,349
for that process.

781
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:57,430
I think so.

782
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,160
I mean they've already covered under

783
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,079
that 1026 the approval process basically

784
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,760
if it's four or less they don't need a

785
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:15,750
conditioner

786
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:26,230
there's just no

787
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:35,349
The definition doesn't give it max.

788
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:42,710
Sorry.

789
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,599
group home for the elderly is eight or

790
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:46,480
fewer

791
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,720
>> and same with disability

792
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:49,599
is eight

793
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,359
>> elderly person I do kind of object that

794
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:57,349
they're using age 60 for elderly

795
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:05,910
» rightamilies

796
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,079
or children

797
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:10,160
there's

798
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:17,109
no no max ones

799
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:37,109
or even definition

800
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,960
children's treatment facility.

801
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:48,150
This is more than

802
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,960
there's

803
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:58,870
no max

804
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,880
treatment.

805
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,839
Daycare home does say

806
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,240
wear more than six but no greater than

807
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:11,589
12 individuals.

808
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:26,309
screens.

809
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:28,240
» Yes,

810
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:32,240
there's there's no min

811
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,720
alcohol treatment facility. Well, it's

812
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,800
four or less.

813
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,800
The way I read the way I read this is

814
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,030
because we don't allow it at all.

815
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,160
So you can only have a group home if

816
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,839
it's for the elderly or person

817
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:53,510
disabilities. I'm reading what 102B-6A

818
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,119
placement in a group home facility which

819
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:00,480
my mind is the disability or elderly not

820
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,599
confinement rehab or treatment

821
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:05,359
facility. So the way I read that is we

822
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:08,160
don't allow it anyways.

823
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,160
>> Trouble if they consider a drug.

824
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,599
>> Yeah. And that's what I guess understand

825
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,520
that that's why there's no min because I

826
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,200
don't think it's saying it's

827
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,400
>> the max is zero.

828
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,710
>> Yeah.

829
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,319
» For the approval process.

830
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:25,040
>> Yeah.

831
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,760
So anything over four, it's just not

832
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,839
even addressed. It's saying we don't

833
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:31,200
even allow it.

834
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,200
>> Yeah.

835
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:39,030
>> They don't need to do anything.

836
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,870
» I just need to

837
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,720
talk about it more as far as if they're

838
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,520
allowing the confinement rehab

839
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,599
treatment. If they are, they need to

840
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,119
find that and then give some min work.

841
00:48:53,119 --> 00:49:05,430
>> Yeah.

842
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,240
I would like to see what some of the

843
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:09,520
other cities are doing. So, we're not

844
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
just throwing out arbitrary numbers

845
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,760
how we feel.

846
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:25,109
>> Yeah.

847
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:33,190
» Great.

848
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:47,990
are

849
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,839
» you're going to have a busy evening.

850
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:50,400
>> That's great.

851
00:49:50,400 --> 00:50:00,950
>> Perfect. Huh?

852
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,400
Or do we want to give them time for the

853
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,440
general plan update?

854
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,440
>> Yeah,

855
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,520
>> you're good.

856
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,119
>> We can be fast.

857
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,950
>> It's a 12step plan.

858
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:19,109
» It's at the very very top.

859
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:21,040
» It's okay.

860
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,440
>> Um, well, I'm Jenny and this is Brian.

861
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,280
We work with J engineers and we're going

862
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,960
to be part of your team to help you with

863
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,000
the general plan update. Um we've been

864
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,319
meeting mayor, we met with Jared, we met

865
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:34,640
with Malcolm and have kind of started to

866
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,160
get this kicked off. We have our first

867
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,160
kind of action item that we have for

868
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,119
everyone is we sent around kind of a

869
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,200
steering committee list for to us to

870
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,839
gather around and get people

871
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:50,800
to attend that as be part of our Yeah.

872
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,800
steering committee working group to help

873
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,720
guide this plan and implement kind of

874
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,680
the city's vision in this. Um so we have

875
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,920
suggested members, some that are city

876
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,280
staff. Um mostly we would like community

877
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,359
representatives, so lifelong Her

878
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:07,119
residents, newer residents, younger,

879
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:11,599
older, um agriculture representation um

880
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:15,599
as well as you guys are also updating

881
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,119
your parks and um active transportation.

882
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,240
So any, you know, youth sports

883
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:23,760
organizations,

884
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,839
um, trails, bikes enthusiasts, stuff

885
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:28,000
like that. So, we've sent that over to

886
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,599
the city, and I'm not sure if it's made

887
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,200
its way over to you guys as well, but

888
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,280
we're hoping that get a good list of

889
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,280
people. It can be multiple people per

890
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,200
category because we're need to make

891
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,960
those invitations. Some people might be

892
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,960
able to participate, some people might

893
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,839
not. Um, so hopefully you guys have that

894
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:45,520
and can start filling that out. I think

895
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,119
we met with the city on Monday to

896
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:51,599
discuss when we wanted that list filled

897
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:55,520
out and back to us. So hopefully um next

898
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,520
week you guys can have a good list for

899
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,400
us to start making those invitations

900
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,240
um to participate and then Brian can

901
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:05,920
kind of go over like what the general

902
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,839
plan update is for you guys, what's

903
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:09,680
required, what we'll be looking at and

904
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:10,480
stuff.

905
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,480
>> So question question before we get too

906
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,040
far. So we did we received an email the

907
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,119
mayor on Tuesday

908
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:22,160
>> and she wants to list input by Monday.

909
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,240
Why that Monday deadline?

910
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,440
>> Um

911
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,760
>> we can extend that. It is really fast.

912
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,319
Um we can extend it to probably the end

913
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:32,960
of the week. That way we they want to

914
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,079
have the steering committee first

915
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,880
meeting sometime in July. We are also

916
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,960
putting together a survey for the city.

917
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,280
So having the steering committee's input

918
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,079
on the questions that go out is good as

919
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:46,480
well.

920
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,720
>> So when you say they, it is they

921
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,880
>> they as in the steering committee and

922
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,559
they as in the city

923
00:52:52,559 --> 00:53:00,230
>> council also has to approve all those

924
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:07,750
agenda.

925
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,559
So, so you're you're wanting us to

926
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,760
try and find volunteers for this or

927
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,520
>> suggestions. So, you don't have to go

928
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,920
out and make those connections and ask

929
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,119
them if they want to be in the steering

930
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:22,880
committee. Just everyone here has

931
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,240
different touch points with people in

932
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,000
the city who they think would be a good

933
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,680
representation for this. And so, just

934
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,680
putting together suggestion list, Brian

935
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,240
and I will make the contact with them.

936
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,599
>> Okay. And all you need is res names or

937
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:39,040
do you need phone numbers and addresses?

938
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,440
>> Um, phone numbers, addresses, emails,

939
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,960
contact information if you can so that

940
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,000
we can contact them and ask.

941
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,280
>> And you want one from each of us

942
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,880
individually or do you want us to have

943
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,720
one as a collaborative group?

944
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:53,680
>> Um, as a collaborative group, if that

945
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,680
works best for you if you don't you

946
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,280
don't have to fill out every single one.

947
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,359
If you have someone in one category and

948
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:01,200
someone has you can work off the same

949
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,160
spreadsheet.

950
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,119
>> Perfect.

951
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,400
>> So, we want to have a shared spreadsheet

952
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,910
that we all input to.

953
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,880
Yeah, probably.

954
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,000
>> I think we do our own sort.

955
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,440
>> Yeah. So, we'll just send our own and

956
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,480
you guys can put them together because

957
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,520
we can't collaborate.

958
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:18,079
>> Yeah,

959
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,750
>> good point.

960
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,440
» So, good. That's why he's our chair.

961
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,640
>> Um, yeah, we have other public outreach

962
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,200
activities planned, open houses. We plan

963
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,480
to ban tomato days, feed the parks as

964
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,800
much as we can, getting people involved,

965
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,400
having their input on the plan. So,

966
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,319
>> okay, perfect.

967
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:42,960
Um, so the intent of the process is uh

968
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,880
to just kind of help provide some

969
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,800
content updates to the general plan. The

970
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,359
last plan was written four almost five

971
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:51,200
years ago. And so there are a couple of

972
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,240
just we want to do refresh on like the

973
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:57,920
statistical estimates. You know, we'll take a look at population

974
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,160
projections again.

975
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,960
changed much since uh the last five

976
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,160
years. Um we want to update your

977
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,559
moderate income housing section to make

978
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:10,720
sure that that's compliant

979
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,680
uh within and up to date with state code

980
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,160
and and the the city you're not quite

981
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,079
there yet, but you're getting close to

982
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:19,839
the point where the city is required to

983
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:21,680
produce a water use and preservation

984
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,720
plan. Um and so we can kind of set the

985
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:28,640
groundwork for um

986
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,720
putting that in your general plan. So

987
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,200
that once once you do trigger that, you

988
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,280
hit that 10,000 um person population

989
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,119
threshold and then the state's going to

990
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:41,599
require you to include that the document

991
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,800
so we can we can start getting you prep

992
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,559
on having that information available so

993
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,359
that when you hit that threshold

994
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:52,079
it's easier to comply. Yeah. So um but

995
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,720
then you know mostly we want to look at

996
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,599
um just what what kind of uh what kind

997
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:59,760
of tools do you need to be making land

998
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,160
use decisions. There are a lot of you

999
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,920
know there's there's a lot of potential

1000
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,880
change um going on with with a potential

1001
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,000
new commercial center um or large

1002
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,839
commercial businesses coming to town.

1003
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:14,640
You've got the new highway uh you know

1004
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,480
the west side corridor highway coming

1005
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,559
through in the next

1006
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,119
probably 5 to 10 years. on the side of

1007
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:22,880
that. Um, you know, those are going to

1008
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,680
bring some big changes and uh the the

1009
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,480
mayor at least and and talking with

1010
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,040
Malcolm, you know, we there's a sense

1011
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,319
that your current zoning code isn't

1012
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:37,520
providing enough options to deal with

1013
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,000
diversified need in housing, diversified

1014
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,400
need in commercial and and other retail

1015
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,040
services and things. Um, so we want to

1016
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,200
kind of just get some ideas on on, you

1017
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,839
know, what types of uh what types of

1018
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:51,200
development do you think would be

1019
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,559
compatible um

1020
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:57,440
scalewise and and locationwise and and

1021
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,480
how can we come up with with kind of a a

1022
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,079
more

1023
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,000
um

1024
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,880
a more varied toolbox for you, you know,

1025
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,160
to use to try and and find ways to

1026
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,319
accommodate development that that you

1027
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:13,920
think is going to fit the community's

1028
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,520
character.

1029
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,359
Um, and then

1030
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:20,960
we've also got a sub consultant working

1031
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,960
with us who's going to do some economic

1032
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,319
analysis to try and provide some ideas

1033
00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:29,839
on on what the costs and benefits are to

1034
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:32,160
providing opportunity for these

1035
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,760
different types of development. How can

1036
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,839
we how can we make um different

1037
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:40,079
varieties of housing? How can we work

1038
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,160
with uh developers to help different

1039
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,480
variet varieties of housing fit into the

1040
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,200
community and and not be a burden? Um

1041
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,599
how can we encourage uh commercial

1042
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:52,319
retail broad the tax base and services

1043
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:54,880
available for residents?

1044
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,680
>> So who can we get an email from where we

1045
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:03,750
can send our suggestions?

1046
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,240
» I think it's important to make sure that

1047
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:13,670
we're not people think

1048
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,319
» it has to be very diverse.

1049
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,960
>> Thank you.

1050
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,710
>> But

1051
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,559
yeah, we want we want a good broad

1052
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,319
representation of the community.

1053
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:29,040
>> I like it.

1054
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:29,680
>> By Monday.

1055
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,520
>> How often do those communities meet?

1056
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,040
>> Um it's varied. You know, meeting often

1057
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,319
can kind of be a scope strain on like

1058
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:43,520
what you guys can afford, but it depends

1059
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,280
on how far we get with each group. If we

1060
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,920
have to do shorter, but more frequent or

1061
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,319
longer and fewer in between, it really

1062
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:54,950
depends.

1063
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,480
» Yeah, we're kind of targeting one a

1064
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:56,799
month.

1065
00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:57,680
>> Yeah.

1066
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,030
>> See how that goes.

1067
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,160
» Yeah. Yeah. That's the kind of

1068
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,760
commitment that we're asking from is

1069
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,960
maybe an hour or two.

1070
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,559
How long would this process thinking

1071
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:10,880
take?

1072
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,359
>> The timeline is a a year.

1073
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:14,559
>> Actually, we're trying to see if we can

1074
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,559
get it done in in 8 to 10 months, you

1075
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,839
know, by uh

1076
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:23,200
yeah, January, February.

1077
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,920
Have you draft documents ready to start

1078
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:37,910
putting through the adoption process?

1079
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,240
Thanks for helping us out. You did

1080
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,640
great.

1081
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,359
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Put you in for an hour

1082
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:44,799
over time.

1083
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:54,710
>> I'll just uh I'll

1084
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:03,510
move.

1085
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:09,510
Thank you.

1086
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,280
>> Good to see you.

1087
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:20,069
>> You see Taylor tomorrow?

1088
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:25,990
» Yeah, he's in Yellowstone.

1089
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:38,789
Yeah.

1090
01:00:38,799 --> 01:01:12,549
» It's fascinating.

1091
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:15,990
This is

1092
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:41,270
really

1093
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:55,349
places.

1094
01:01:55,359 --> 01:02:07,349
That's

1095
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:09,280
» right. We'd like to welcome you all out

1096
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,599
to our June 11th, 2026 Cooper City

1097
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,160
Planning Commission agenda. I'm

1098
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,599
Commissioner McCormick. I'll call the

1099
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:20,640
meeting to order. Um to begin, we'll

1100
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,480
have a pledge of allegiance led by

1101
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,760
Commissioner Denny and then a prayer

1102
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,400
given by Commissioner W.

1103
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,359
Please stand.

1104
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:36,720
>> Recording in progress.

1105
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,319
>> I aliance to the flag of the United

1106
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:43,359
States of America and to the republic

1107
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:46,640
for which it stands. One nation under

1108
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,920
God, indivisible, with liberty and

1109
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:58,950
justice for all

1110
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,750
like to thank

1111
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,599
heavenly father. We grateful for this

1112
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,760
time that we have to come together to

1113
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,400
discuss matters of the city and we're

1114
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,680
grateful for this wonderful gift that we

1115
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,359
have to to do this in this wonderful

1116
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:15,920
country and state. We ask a special

1117
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,240
blessing that we could be guided and and

1118
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,839
as we talk about these items on this

1119
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:22,960
agenda today that we can listen to the

1120
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,599
residents and be mindful and and make

1121
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:27,280
good decisions here today. Once again,

1122
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:28,960
we're grateful for this wonderful place

1123
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,799
that we live and we say in the name of

1124
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:35,039
Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.

1125
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:36,240
Thank Commissioner Denny and

1126
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,680
Commissioner White for providing those

1127
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,319
for us. On to the first item of consent

1128
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:44,880
is the approval of the minutes dated May

1129
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:49,510
14th, 2026.

1130
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,200
I don't see any issues or anything. So,

1131
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,400
I'll make a motion to approve the

1132
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,359
minutes dated May 14th, 2026.

1133
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:56,480
Second that motion.

1134
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,160
>> We have a motion from Commissioner White

1135
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,839
and a second from Commissioner Bates.

1136
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:01,280
All in favor? I

1137
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:02,880
>> I

1138
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,839
>> motion passes. Okay. So now on to our

1139
01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:07,920
first action

1140
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,039
item is a conditional use permit request

1141
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:14,559
for Jeb Jed Debbach for an oversized

1142
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:18,319
structure located at 4704 South 5950

1143
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:21,680
West. Request is for 3000 square ft with

1144
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,640
the height of 25.6. We'll turn some time

1145
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,880
over to staff to give a presentation on

1146
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,870
the request.

1147
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,559
Okay. So, as you can see there on the

1148
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:34,799
application, he applied for that 3,000

1149
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:37,599
square ft. The height structure of 25

1150
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:39,359
and a half. So, the conditional use

1151
01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:42,000
permit is for both of those. Um, stating

1152
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,720
he'll be using it for storage. No

1153
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,119
plumbing or electricity or business use

1154
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:50,720
is in there. Um, I've attached the

1155
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,240
rendering of what it looks like, the

1156
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,039
three bays and the van door. And then as

1157
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:56,640
far as the site plan on the right, it

1158
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,960
just shows all the setback requirements

1159
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,119
that it's following and then just where

1160
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:05,910
it'll sit back from the house.

1161
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,839
Thank you. We will now I'll now

1162
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:12,319
entertain a motion to enter a public

1163
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:20,069
hearing on this conditional use permit.

1164
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:23,589
So

1165
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:25,680
» a motion from Commissioner Bates and

1166
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,440
second from Commissioner Woodson. All in

1167
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,240
favor?

1168
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,599
>> I.

1169
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:32,160
>> Okay. So now we are in a public hearing

1170
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,079
for the conditional use permit. If we

1171
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:37,440
could have

1172
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,960
as you come forward, please state your

1173
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,319
name if you're a resident and then you

1174
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:45,760
will have three minutes to comment on

1175
01:05:45,760 --> 01:06:03,270
the conditional use permit.

1176
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:09,109
I'm Carla Austral.

1177
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:11,280
Um, I'm just really disappointed in you

1178
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,920
that you didn't take this off the agenda

1179
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,640
today because the state law requires 10

1180
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,400
days. The envelopes were postmarked June

1181
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,400
8th, which was Monday. We got our

1182
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,039
letters yesterday. That did not give us

1183
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:27,520
10 days. That gave us one day to look at

1184
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,440
this, to think about it, and to figure

1185
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,359
out how it's going to affect us. I live

1186
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:33,200
directly behind him, and I've met you.

1187
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,480
You're a nice guy. But that's a monster

1188
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,960
shop. That's like two and a half times

1189
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,400
the normal size of a shop.

1190
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,880
It is going to affect my property. It is

1191
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,319
going to shade it. It's going to take

1192
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:48,960
away the sunlight from my garden, from

1193
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,440
the grass, from my chickens, from

1194
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,720
everything. That is huge. And I realize

1195
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,720
that he has his race cars and wants a

1196
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,760
place to store them, but that is just

1197
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:04,319
really huge for a backyard shop. And

1198
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:06,000
again, we're really disappointed that

1199
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,799
you didn't give us a chance to uh think

1200
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:10,960
about it and really talk to others about

1201
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:16,789
it first.

1202
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:20,390
Thank you.

1203
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:29,270
» Any other public comment?

1204
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,200
» My name is Kitty Peacock. Um, I live

1205
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,920
next door to you and I agree completely

1206
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,400
with Cara that we got one day notice. I

1207
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:43,039
don't know how big this thing is. Um,

1208
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:46,079
Why does it have to be so tall if it's

1209
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:49,599
for cars? I don't know because I haven't

1210
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:51,200
had a chance to look in. I haven't had a

1211
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,680
chance to talk to anybody.

1212
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,839
My view of Hooper is now gone. It's

1213
01:07:57,839 --> 01:08:01,039
gone. I've lived here for 20 years.

1214
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,680
Um I realize that there's going to be

1215
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,960
growth. Things are going to change, but

1216
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,839
this this is

1217
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:11,680
pretty massive.

1218
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,990
That's all I have to say.

1219
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:22,390
» Thank you. Thank you.

1220
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:26,630
» Any other comment?

1221
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,799
All right. I'll entertain a motion to

1222
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:32,400
close the public comment.

1223
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,470
A motion to close.

1224
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,159
» Second. I have a motion from

1225
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,159
Commissioner Denny and a second from

1226
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:41,839
Commissioner Wson to close public

1227
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:44,159
comment. To close public comment, all in

1228
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:44,799
favor?

1229
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:47,279
>> I I

1230
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:48,960
>> Sorry, I should have preface that. We

1231
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,279
did discuss this in our in our work

1232
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:56,000
meeting. Um the letters were sent out um

1233
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,080
with enough time to get there, but they

1234
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,400
didn't get there in time. And so we

1235
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,359
discussed for this reason tableabling

1236
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,679
this request so the letters can be sent

1237
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:09,279
out and give you guys proper notice on

1238
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,359
this. We just wanted to get the public

1239
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:15,040
comment first and sorry I didn't make

1240
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:20,000
that clarification in that sense. Um

1241
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,159
but that was our discussion in in work

1242
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:25,279
meeting earlier today. Um is there a

1243
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:27,679
representative from

1244
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:30,080
uh the represent

1245
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,920
Mr. Debbach to come forward to the mic

1246
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:37,349
that we can ask questions for

1247
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:41,920
Alan Caron contractor.

1248
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,839
>> This is J here.

1249
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:44,400
>> Thank you.

1250
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,679
>> So the reason asking for height is is

1251
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:50,080
that some of his trailers are tall to

1252
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,759
get the tall get the pitch and

1253
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:52,960
everything that needs to be that tall

1254
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,080
and we're only six inches taller than

1255
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,480
what your ordinance already allows. on

1256
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:02,800
the on the height. So that's why sorry

1257
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,800
it's tall but if you go there and look

1258
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,320
there's other people around there have

1259
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,320
big build buildings too. In fact most of

1260
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,679
the people who are looking for happy

1261
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:11,679
robots are looking to put a shop or

1262
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:13,679
something up.

1263
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:21,430
Any other questions you have of us?

1264
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:22,159
No.

1265
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:27,910
>> Thank you.

1266
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,440
I'll now bring this back to the

1267
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:33,120
commission for discussion and motion.

1268
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,440
>> So, how how much larger is this than

1269
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:37,679
they allow space?

1270
01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:41,760
It's 500 ft bigger.

1271
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,640
>> So, currently right now in our two zone,

1272
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,320
the ordinance states that you can have a

1273
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,560
2500 square foot um accessory going

1274
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,800
accessory structure and so this request

1275
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,520
is for 3,000 square feet. 500 square f

1276
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,679
feet and then the like I mentioned

1277
01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:00,080
before half a foot higher than what our

1278
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:08,149
ordinance allows on the height.

1279
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:10,960
I do apologize that you didn't get the

1280
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,199
letters on time and I do apologize for

1281
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:15,520
you guys because that puts you guys back

1282
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,000
another month on constructions and

1283
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,360
having you come back to this meeting

1284
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,880
again. I understand there's mistakes, I

1285
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,560
guess.

1286
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,880
uh puts both of you in in kind of a bad

1287
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,960
spot, but to protect us from a

1288
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,239
standpoint, I feel my thought is is to

1289
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:35,120
give the residents their 10day notice

1290
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,520
would be the the right thing to do if

1291
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,280
anybody has anything else.

1292
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,960
>> If if we do table this, we can also have

1293
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,830
another public hearing. Correct.

1294
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,199
» Yeah, that's correct. You're not

1295
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:50,480
required to because you've had one

1296
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,880
tonight, but you can always have a

1297
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,080
public

1298
01:11:54,080 --> 01:12:02,950
on this.

1299
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,159
» Okay. I'm going to go ahead and make a

1300
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:05,760
motion that we table the request for a

1301
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,239
conditional use permit uh from Mr. Jed

1302
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,159
Debbach.

1303
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:13,360
Sorry, am I getting the name correct?

1304
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:13,920
Thank you.

1305
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,040
>> It's been said worse, but yeah.

1306
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,080
Uh, and with that tableabling, I would

1307
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,520
like to propose that this reappear on

1308
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,199
the soonest agenda possible with another

1309
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:30,000
public hearing for local residents to

1310
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,360
have a decent amount of time to comment.

1311
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,080
Second. Have a motion from Commissioner

1312
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,159
Bates, a second from Commissioner Wait.

1313
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:41,280
All in favor?

1314
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:42,400
>> I.

1315
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,760
>> Okay. motion has been or it has been

1316
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,800
tabled. All right, on to our next

1317
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,120
conditional use permit for James Upshot

1318
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,760
for an oversized structure located at

1319
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,000
4483 South 5,400 West. The request is

1320
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,480
for 2900 square ft. And we'll turn some

1321
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:03,760
time over to staff to give a

1322
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,920
presentation on this request.

1323
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,239
Okay. So, up in the top left again, you

1324
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,239
can see the square footage structure

1325
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,960
request 2,900 ft. The height of the

1326
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,640
structure is 22 and 4 in. So, he is just

1327
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,320
requesting the conditional use for the

1328
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,800
square footage. Um, he's stating it will

1329
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,840
be used for storage for an RV tractor,

1330
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,800
household items. Um, plumbing will not

1331
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,000
be installed as of right now.

1332
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,000
Electricity will be and will not be used

1333
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,199
for business as of right now. Um, on the

1334
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:37,600
right, you can the site plies following

1335
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,280
the setbacks that are needed and

1336
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,280
required and then just that bottom left

1337
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,440
image of the the rendering of the

1338
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:46,550
building.

1339
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,199
» Thank you. And before public hearing,

1340
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:51,840
I'm going to have the is there a

1341
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,440
representative from Mr. Shaw to come

1342
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:55,760
forward and maybe answer our questions

1343
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,120
before we go into public hearing and

1344
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,080
then we can go into that to maybe do

1345
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,120
that.

1346
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,679
>> Absolutely. And Diana Shaw and he has a

1347
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:05,520
better half.

1348
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,719
You got the 18 tonight.

1349
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:10,400
>> Any additional questions on this? And

1350
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,239
it's the lean tube that's making it this

1351
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:16,870
size.

1352
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:21,270
Any questions I can answer?

1353
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:22,800
I think it looks like a great building.

1354
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,239
I didn't have any questions, but just

1355
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:28,480
pretty straightforward.

1356
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:29,120
>> Thank you.

1357
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,440
Right now, I entertain a

1358
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:33,280
motion to enter a public hearing for the

1359
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:39,270
conditional use permit for James Up.

1360
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:40,880
» I'll make a motion to enter a public

1361
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,239
hearing for this conditional use permit

1362
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:46,000
for James.

1363
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,640
>> Second motion motion from Commissioner

1364
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,560
Wait, a second from Commissioner Bates.

1365
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,000
All in favor?

1366
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,600
>> I.

1367
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,199
>> Okay, residents, we are now in public

1368
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:56,320
hearing. You will now have the

1369
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:57,600
opportunity to come forward. Please

1370
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,800
state your name and your Herp City

1371
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,640
resident, if you want to make a comment,

1372
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,520
you'll have three minutes. Please watch

1373
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:15,270
um Jamie and she'll give you your time.

1374
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,679
Seeing no public comment, I'll entertain

1375
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:20,320
a motion to close public comment. Move

1376
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,560
to close public comment.

1377
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:23,760
>> Second.

1378
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,320
>> I have a motion. A motion from

1379
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,840
Commissioner Denny and a second from

1380
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,840
Commissioner Woodson. All in favor?

1381
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,120
>> I

1382
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:36,239
>> Okay, we're now back um for discussion

1383
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:38,880
on the conditional use permit for James

1384
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,280
Upshaw. Is there any other discussion

1385
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,960
items? This one looked pretty

1386
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:50,070
straightforward to me.

1387
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:51,920
I don't feel like the 400 ft is

1388
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,320
excessive and I feel like it fits nicely

1389
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,709
on there. So,

1390
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:00,400
Is the access I didn't know I should ask

1391
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:01,679
when you're up here. Is the access

1392
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:04,320
similar to where your driveway is for

1393
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,320
the home or on different sides?

1394
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:07,679
>> Yes, it is on the same side as the

1395
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:09,440
driveway. It's an additional 30 ft and

1396
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:11,040
it would be concrete all the way back to

1397
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,920
the building.

1398
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,320
>> We're also lighting that area. Motion

1399
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:21,189
lighting.

1400
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:24,400
I'll make a motion to approve the

1401
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,080
conditioning permit for James up shop

1402
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,040
for the oversized structure located 4043

1403
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,480
South 5400 West.

1404
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:34,719
I'll second. We have a motion from

1405
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:36,320
Commissioner White and a second from

1406
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,080
Commissioner Denny. All in favor?

1407
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,440
>> I.

1408
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:42,480
>> Motion passes.

1409
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:45,440
Okay. Now on to

1410
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:49,360
uh item number item C. the request to

1411
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,920
amend the Hiler to Hiler city code

1412
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,719
10-4A-31.

1413
01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:56,880
The request is to change the elevation

1414
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,880
line from Smith Nullles attorney. Um I'd

1415
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,600
like to turn some time over to our

1416
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,920
public works director Jared Hancock to

1417
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,000
kind of give a presentation kind of get

1418
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,600
everybody

1419
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,520
on the page of what this request is

1420
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,239
entailing.

1421
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,120
>> Okay. So there there's a a development

1422
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,719
elevation line that's long been

1423
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:22,960
acknowledged throughout the county and

1424
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:28,870
on the the lake shore there at 4215.

1425
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,080
So I just put a few things together

1426
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,880
there for the history of it. So the

1427
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,840
elevation line's been recognized as the

1428
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,000
threshold for development in our region

1429
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,600
along the Great Salt Lake and

1430
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,920
surrounding tributaries and SLOs. I

1431
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,280
think as we discussed in

1432
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,159
work meeting that may go up a foot or

1433
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:52,400
two here and there but uh for the most

1434
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,520
part that's been long recognized as the

1435
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,080
threshold where we don't develop below.

1436
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,040
Um to my knowledge nobody on either side

1437
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,800
of this discussion is challenging that

1438
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,679
4215 line.

1439
01:18:07,679 --> 01:18:10,719
Um as the city begin to see development

1440
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:13,280
ideas and pressure in those lower

1441
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,880
elevation areas. Um there were concerns

1442
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,320
about how the 4215 elevation line was

1443
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,520
being applied to the new development.

1444
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,840
Um developers of course wanted to

1445
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,800
maximize their developable property and

1446
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,080
built the lots right down to the 4215

1447
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,400
elevation line.

1448
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,880
The city argued that the infrastructure

1449
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,840
was part of the development and the

1450
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,400
underground utilities needed to be

1451
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,719
included in the design above 4215

1452
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:49,920
particularly the drainage.

1453
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,800
So this this clarification

1454
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,840
uh is basically what I'm going to call

1455
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,480
it to the 4220

1456
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,199
um was purposely done during the general

1457
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:04,159
plan update uh There were other

1458
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:07,280
ordinances being updated and addressed

1459
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,320
at the time and we thought that was the

1460
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:15,520
best time to make a broad adjustment

1461
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,280
rather than being reactive to a

1462
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,080
submission from a developer.

1463
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,800
So that that's why that was done. So

1464
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,679
I've I've heard a lot of opinions and

1465
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:30,880
arguments about this and I want to be

1466
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,000
crystal clear. This was never uh

1467
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,120
intended to alter, redefine or move that

1468
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,960
425

1469
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,920
elevation line. That is the basis for

1470
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:46,080
the 4220 argument.

1471
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,760
Um the the main objective that I see

1472
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,480
from the public works perspective on the

1473
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:56,719
line is to raise the lots and structures

1474
01:19:56,719 --> 01:19:58,880
doesn't matter so much as that we need a

1475
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,000
drainage above that 4215 so that it'll

1476
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,270
function.

1477
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,000
So this is a little drawing that I hope

1478
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,679
makes it a little bit easier to

1479
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:12,159
understand what I'm talking about. So

1480
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:15,120
you can see the the tops in there. We've

1481
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,960
got the house built right down to the

1482
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:18,719
4215.

1483
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:21,840
Um we got that flood plane coming up.

1484
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,239
You can see to the right that it shows

1485
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:27,280
the street section and a water meter,

1486
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,920
curbon gutter, storm drain box, and and

1487
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,000
a pipeline that would represent the

1488
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,400
outflow. Um, if the water comes up,

1489
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,280
which we're supposed to anticipate with

1490
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,000
this 4215 line and all that

1491
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,320
infrastructure below that, it will not

1492
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,159
work. It won't function. It'll already

1493
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:48,880
be full of water perhaps when the

1494
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,760
residents need it to drain the worst.

1495
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,640
Um, you can see the next example down.

1496
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,480
If we hold that house up just a little

1497
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:00,880
bit, um the infrastructure there, the

1498
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,360
drain boxes and have our outflow above

1499
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,239
that for 215 that gives the

1500
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:09,360
infrastructure the opportunity to drain.

1501
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,640
Um I also want to kind of bring up we're

1502
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,960
talking about here we talk about these

1503
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,239
numbers and maps and different things.

1504
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:20,000
We're basically talking about if the

1505
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,800
water level is this carpet, we want the

1506
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,719
houses as high as the

1507
01:21:24,719 --> 01:21:27,199
We're not asking about a lot. We just

1508
01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:28,800
need a little bit of room there to fit

1509
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,920
that infrastructure.

1510
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,760
Um, a couple of things that are

1511
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,400
important to consider, especially I in

1512
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,159
work meeting, we talked about some other

1513
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:42,239
cities elevations and different how

1514
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:45,920
people are looking at this. So the 4215

1515
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,880
elevation is based on the historic Great

1516
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,480
Salt Lake level. The biggest risk of

1517
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:54,880
catastrophic flooding to Hooper is

1518
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,040
actually not the lake itself, but the

1519
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,440
south fork of the Weaver River, which is

1520
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:04,480
a contributo to the lake. Um, the flood

1521
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,880
elevations are higher along the river.

1522
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:08,800
And I think in that memo I sent you,

1523
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,280
there's a snippet from the Division of

1524
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,880
Natural Resources uh

1525
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,560
report that I read and they estimate

1526
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:24,000
that 80% of the elevation up to 4220

1527
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,560
would be underwater if we got the lake

1528
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,960
to the level

1529
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,600
4215.

1530
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,800
Um, you may just kind of an example of

1531
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,480
so we're not always dealing with what

1532
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:39,280
ifs may recall a few years ago and

1533
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,600
Tucker you could weigh in here the

1534
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,600
county spent millions of dollars

1535
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,000
mitigating flood damages along the river

1536
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,280
and the lake was nowhere near that level

1537
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,080
so I think that shows real world

1538
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,040
experience that the river can flood even

1539
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,120
when the lake isn't at that elevation

1540
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,159
um we've learned a little bit uh through

1541
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:04,480
our work session, but Weber County's

1542
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:08,400
4215 elevation moratorum, the one that

1543
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,800
was recited in the letter from the

1544
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,159
attorneys, um that link goes back to a

1545
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:17,520
1986 document that we've just learned

1546
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:21,760
has been updated. Um but that document

1547
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,920
contemplates

1548
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,040
having situations where you need the

1549
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,440
homes above 4215

1550
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:31,840
in order to accommodate

1551
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:36,000
structures and I believe that new

1552
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:41,030
updated version is 4218.

1553
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,760
Um, one one thing that often gets talked

1554
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,159
about during development is can we fill

1555
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:50,400
these lowlying areas? Um, and and I

1556
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,159
suppose we can. The problem we run into

1557
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:57,840
uh is the type of fill that's brought in

1558
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,840
is generally

1559
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,600
off other it isn't structural in nature

1560
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,000
and so when we start filling large

1561
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:10,239
fields um there's no way to test it for

1562
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:13,040
compacted if it's compacted and if it's

1563
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,840
suitable to build structures and

1564
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,360
infrastructure on top of um if we were

1565
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,080
to haul in granular structural

1566
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,239
engineered fill I think the cost would

1567
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:27,360
exceed the value in the lot and then the

1568
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,199
other problem we have when we read the

1569
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:32,239
geotech on fill. Often times the

1570
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:35,040
subsurface that we're filling on won't

1571
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,719
support the weight and the demand.

1572
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:40,320
So that that's something we've just

1573
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,480
tried to kind of stay away from is

1574
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:44,960
filling large fields out into these

1575
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,800
wetlands. Um the current ordinance does

1576
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:53,600
contemplate a 10% scenario that is

1577
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,560
interior and what was intended by that

1578
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,880
is if there's a ditch or a swale or a

1579
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,920
low in a piece of property that is

1580
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,679
generally above the elevation and it can

1581
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:08,880
be developed. We can allow some fill in

1582
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,120
those areas and work that out in the

1583
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,719
development plan. We just don't want to

1584
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:14,800
keep going further and further out into

1585
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,800
the

1586
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,679
wet areas and that that's something that

1587
01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:22,880
probably could be adjusted and made a

1588
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:29,189
little more clear in our ordinance.

1589
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,199
So this is this is kind of the most

1590
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:35,840
telling uh slide I believe. Um and maybe

1591
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,239
it makes it make sense to people. I'm

1592
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:41,280
just going to walk up there. So this is

1593
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,760
real examples that of some existing

1594
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,639
development that we have in place and

1595
01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:48,800
some proposed development that's coming

1596
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,679
that directly deals with this issue. So

1597
01:25:51,679 --> 01:25:54,320
these are the lower loft in Rosson Ranch

1598
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,679
phase one.

1599
01:25:57,679 --> 01:26:00,320
They were built before we had the 4220

1600
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:04,159
rule, but the developers engineer worked

1601
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:07,120
with us and really everything worked out

1602
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,320
to be about equal to the 4220 rule, just

1603
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,679
out of function. So if you look, there's

1604
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:16,159
a pond right here. That's where all that

1605
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,719
water drains to. And then the storm

1606
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:20,719
drain in the subdivision itself comes

1607
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:23,440
down and goes into this pond.

1608
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:25,280
If you look at the elevations, the

1609
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,199
bottom of the pond is 4215.

1610
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:32,480
The bottom of this pond is 4215

1611
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:35,760
and the banks are like 4218.

1612
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,280
So the back of these lots is 4219

1613
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,120
and then they go up a little bit to the

1614
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,280
curb and gutter.

1615
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:48,000
We also have a 42 in storm drain line

1616
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,840
that drains a significant part of West

1617
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,719
Haven and Hooker that runs down this

1618
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:59,360
property line and dumps into this pond.

1619
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,800
So this this is a development that a

1620
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,280
proposal that they've come in with as a

1621
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:08,000
concept. And you can see this is the

1622
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,280
area that's too low on these lots. If we

1623
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,520
shifted that a little bit. They could

1624
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,880
still get their lots and stay out of

1625
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,760
that lower area. I think it's a crazy

1626
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,280
idea to approach building lots equal to

1627
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,880
the bottom of the lake that we're

1628
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,159
draining half the city into. So, that's

1629
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:30,719
kind of my point. Um, I think where

1630
01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:33,040
there's room for some adjustment in that

1631
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,360
ordinance and clarification. I'm not

1632
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,280
opposed to that, but I do think we need

1633
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,120
to start uh with the elevation of our

1634
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,040
drainage facilities at 4215 and work up

1635
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:50,229
from there.

1636
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:54,950
Thank you, chair.

1637
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,040
Um, is there a representative from Smith

1638
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:03,669
here?

1639
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:07,270
» Sorry, let me

1640
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,920
just come forward and state your name

1641
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:11,520
and then

1642
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,719
>> tell us a little bit about the project

1643
01:28:12,719 --> 01:28:16,000
and then or and then we can ask you

1644
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,360
questions and clarifications.

1645
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,520
>> So my name is Valerie Clawson. I am with

1646
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,520
planning outpost. So I'm actually here

1647
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,280
with Woodmir Holmes tonight.

1648
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:23,679
>> Okay.

1649
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:25,760
>> Um related to the application but not

1650
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,719
with Smith and Nolles. Um but we were

1651
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:31,840
just um requesting the text amendment

1652
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,480
support the text amendment to do the um

1653
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:36,800
4215. I've been trying to get a hold of

1654
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,639
the city engineer no calls that's

1655
01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:42,960
um so um because in that memo and Jared

1656
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,320
you mentioned that you had provided

1657
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:45,679
information and is that in addition to

1658
01:28:45,679 --> 01:28:49,280
the memo from JB or that was you gave JB

1659
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:53,840
pieces of that letter? I I did a wrong

1660
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,679
>> there's an amendment to the packet so

1661
01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:59,910
you'll see that online

1662
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:01,679
» okay

1663
01:29:01,679 --> 01:29:04,639
>> um okay

1664
01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:07,679
uh that was not there before uh did that

1665
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:09,040
get posted today

1666
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:09,840
>> uh yesterday.

1667
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,600
>> Yesterday. Okay.

1668
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,679
>> Um

1669
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:17,280
so it does the lower levels do wipe out

1670
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,800
a significant amount of acreage of

1671
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:25,040
available land. um we would continue on a dialogue then in terms of the

1672
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,199
clarification that Jared's talking about

1673
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:29,920
or from Juvia memo it seemed to be that

1674
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,719
they were proposing that 4217 would be

1675
01:29:32,719 --> 01:29:33,920
something that they were looking to work

1676
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,840
with that's what I read in that letter

1677
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,679
and so if that's acceptable um we would

1678
01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:44,639
like to see that be um possible of of

1679
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:47,600
part of that text amendment um and then

1680
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,719
as far as like geotech studies those are the ones that come out at the time

1681
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:52,960
of development in that specific location

1682
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,920
to be able to to verify um the soils and

1683
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,520
whether or not the structure supported.

1684
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,320
And so that really is kind of should be

1685
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,400
a non-issue because those are done at

1686
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,120
the time um of that development on that

1687
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,000
specific site. So I'm happy to answer

1688
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,120
any questions you might have. Um we also

1689
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,520
have women homes here as well. So thank

1690
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,159
you. Do you have an address or a

1691
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:17,520
specific site you're looking at

1692
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,840
currently that we could look at? Is this

1693
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:21,520
the one? No, that's a new

1694
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,520
>> That's a different one. Um,

1695
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,760
the phase we're working on right now is

1696
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,480
not specifically affected in that same

1697
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:32,000
way. There's um portions a little

1698
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,440
further to the west of that that are.

1699
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:37,360
So, it's not this is like text

1700
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,040
amendment.

1701
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,120
>> So, it would be

1702
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,080
>> for the future phases and for I guess

1703
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:45,920
the reason I ask is if it's near close

1704
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,080
to the flood plane because that I mean

1705
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,400
the flood plane do determine a lot of

1706
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:51,199
different things.

1707
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:53,920
>> Right. Right. No, this is um like this

1708
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,239
is an area that had some supposed

1709
01:30:56,239 --> 01:30:58,480
wetland delineations. So those studies

1710
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:00,560
have also come back and have indicated

1711
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,600
that the water isn't is 8 ft below the

1712
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,639
4215 line. So in this particular

1713
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:10,000
instance, there really should not be a

1714
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,760
problem

1715
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,840
in this in the project if you're going

1716
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,320
to go project specific versus a policy

1717
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:23,510
and text amendment.

1718
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,719
» Um, so one thing I had in the Smith

1719
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:29,600
knows letter, they said to reference

1720
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,320
specific evidence. What would you guys I

1721
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:33,920
guess what when you guys say specific

1722
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,760
evidence, what are you guys looking for

1723
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,000
the city to provide when you say

1724
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,320
something like that? Or what what would

1725
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,320
you imagine the city providing you in

1726
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:50,470
that context?

1727
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:54,800
» When you say specific, okay, which

1728
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,520
section of the text amendment?

1729
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,760
>> It's in the Smith and Nolles letter in

1730
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,520
section one. This is a proposal.

1731
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,600
>> Oh. Oh, it's not in the text amendment.

1732
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:12,709
Okay, that's why. Okay. Um,

1733
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:14,159
» okay. So, it's it's

1734
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:14,639
>> I guess

1735
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:16,239
>> it's a whole lot of legal ease, right?

1736
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:18,239
>> Yeah. Sorry.

1737
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:19,679
That's why I was like, wait, this

1738
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:21,280
the text amendment itself didn't have

1739
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:22,320
anything I thought. Yes.

1740
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,400
>> Substantial evidence. I guess what I

1741
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,560
guess I just want What are you guys I

1742
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,480
guess what are they looking for?

1743
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:30,400
>> It's going to be the the what? the

1744
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,880
standard subdivision uh items, right?

1745
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,480
Your geoteex um is is going to be one of

1746
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:37,760
the main things, but it's just saying,

1747
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,159
hey, it just needs to show that the that

1748
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:43,760
there is good demonstration that it's

1749
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,520
not going to cause problems, that it's

1750
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,600
out of the um that it's that it's

1751
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,199
suitable for development, right? Like

1752
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:52,159
that it's going to have the

1753
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:54,719
documentation and it'll make it not

1754
01:32:54,719 --> 01:32:56,320
arbitrary, right? that you're going to

1755
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:57,520
have if you're going to follow state

1756
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,920
law, have the documents, have that

1757
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:02,159
record, which we're getting better at

1758
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:03,520
because you guys have a full-time

1759
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,040
planner now, right? Like so those

1760
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,360
there's really cool things that would be

1761
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,840
um happening with that. So,

1762
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,080
but yeah, that we have on record and it

1763
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,880
and it's going to tend to be the geoteex

1764
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,400
and any of the engineering studies

1765
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,280
associated with that project.

1766
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,480
>> Thank you.

1767
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:25,120
Any

1768
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,360
other questions?

1769
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:28,719
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

1770
01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:32,709
>> Thank you.

1771
01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:34,159
» And now I'll entertain a motion to

1772
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:34,880
enter.

1773
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,920
>> Oh, do you mind if I kind of expound on

1774
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,639
that specific? So

1775
01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:43,120
>> I'm Josh with Wood Homes, Josh Lynch.

1776
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,440
Um, so the example that got brought up

1777
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:47,920
in Rosson's Ranch, the drainage and

1778
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,320
everything, the elevations, it doesn't

1779
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,880
apply to our development. Like our

1780
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,719
development is completely different. And

1781
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:56,639
plus, like the drainage that we have out

1782
01:33:56,639 --> 01:33:59,840
there is a lot lower than that 4215

1783
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,480
line. like the studies that we had with

1784
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:04,320
wetland which the city has had for

1785
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,480
probably about two months now with the

1786
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:09,600
wetland delineation that we got verifies

1787
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,360
that that water is draining out of our

1788
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,480
property at elevation's a lot lower than

1789
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:16,400
that 4215.

1790
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,560
So when we say spec like it this blanket

1791
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,159
4220 that came out is just it kills like

1792
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:26,000
our development it killed our

1793
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,920
development where there's really no need

1794
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,040
for it where we have people have come

1795
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,560
out and done studies for a year and a

1796
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,320
half studying stagnant water and

1797
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,239
everything and have proven that that

1798
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:39,199
doesn't apply to our property. I think

1799
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:41,120
that's throughout the city. I think

1800
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:46,159
there's properties that have just great drainage

1801
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:48,400
at those the lower elevations of the

1802
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:49,920
4215,

1803
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,280
but this blanket is just it's killing

1804
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:54,719
property that shouldn't be that

1805
01:34:54,719 --> 01:34:58,320
shouldn't be not allowed to develop.

1806
01:34:58,320 --> 01:34:59,520
And so I think when they're talking

1807
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:06,080
about specific is going in and looking at the project itself and saying

1808
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:07,920
yeah this actually works out here

1809
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:12,000
instead just no 4220 you can't do it I

1810
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,600
think is what the what the null letter

1811
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,360
is referring to.

1812
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:21,830
>> Okay thank you.

1813
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,840
Okay. Now I entertain a motion to enter

1814
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,560
public hearings for the discussion

1815
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,800
motion on the Smith Nles uh elevation

1816
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,280
change line. So

1817
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:34,080
>> second.

1818
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,040
>> We have a motion by Commissioner B,

1819
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:38,639
second by Commissioner Woodson. All in

1820
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:39,520
favor?

1821
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,880
>> I I now public hearing. For those

1822
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,320
citizens that want to come forward and

1823
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:45,760
make a comment, please just state your

1824
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,840
name and you're a city resident and you

1825
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:57,110
can comment on this proposed request.

1826
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,159
Ray Hancock. I think I qualify as a

1827
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:01,760
president.

1828
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,840
Um, with all due respect with our

1829
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,320
public works director, Jared, this

1830
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,120
specific spot, I spend a lot of time out

1831
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,080
there where these guys are looking at

1832
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,199
building. And I do believe that

1833
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:19,199
comparing it to the Ross and Ranch thing

1834
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:21,760
is kind of like comparing apples to

1835
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:25,199
oranges. It's not the same situation.

1836
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:31,199
And I know Tucker will um verify that u

1837
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:33,440
FEMA and Army Corp of Engineers when we

1838
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:36,560
had the last flooding out to Agnum Bay

1839
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,520
that was caused because there was not

1840
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,920
enough drainage to get the water through

1841
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,119
the dikes at Agnum Bay that uh they came

1842
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:47,679
in and doubled the capacity maybe triple

1843
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:49,440
the capacity

1844
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:52,400
of uh headgates to get rid of the river

1845
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,800
water. When we had the floods in ' 84,

1846
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,639
it wasn't the lake water that came clear

1847
01:36:56,639 --> 01:36:58,400
back up. It was the river water that

1848
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,239
backed up that could not get to the

1849
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,320
lake. The lake was high. No doubt about

1850
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,199
it. But anytime any of you want to go

1851
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:08,080
for a ride and see where the lake level

1852
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:09,840
got to, I would be happy to take you out

1853
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,639
there because I'm out there every day um

1854
01:37:12,639 --> 01:37:14,639
and let you look around and see where

1855
01:37:14,639 --> 01:37:17,520
the lake actually got to. The problem

1856
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:21,760
back then was um too much water getting

1857
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:25,280
to Ogden couldn't get through. Uh that

1858
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,239
has been mitigated. So you will not

1859
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:30,000
unless I don't know what it would take

1860
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,239
10 years of 400,000 ft of snowfall and

1861
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:37,040
water which doesn't look promising

1862
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:39,119
um to bring those lake levels back up to

1863
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:42,320
where it'd be a problem. And I believe

1864
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,880
one suggestion I would have for you if

1865
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,159
you have questions about this before you

1866
01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:51,760
rule on not enabling it to be dropped at

1867
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,560
4215. If you would like to take a ride

1868
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,560
and go out there and see the situation

1869
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,080
because I'm pretty sure none of you have

1870
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,040
actually seen it and before you made a

1871
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:06,320
motion to um actually stick with the

1872
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,400
existing rules.

1873
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:12,639
Um maybe look at it.

1874
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:19,270
>> Thank you.

1875
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:22,550
» Just barely

1876
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,199
Larry Ro up res. I'm just going to piggy

1877
01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:28,320
back Ray a little bit. Talked to Jared

1878
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,280
today. We had a great conversation and

1879
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,280
uh I think there's different areas out

1880
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:38,320
here in Hooper uh that uh the Ross one

1881
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,880
toll. Yeah, that may be a problem. I

1882
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,239
don't know the area well, but I do know

1883
01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:47,280
uh where the lake came up in my property

1884
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,840
in ' 84. We still have driftwood there.

1885
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:53,520
Uh and Ray just explained what happened.

1886
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,560
I went out and uh off of the map that

1887
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,679
I've got from the city here today, I

1888
01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:03,600
went to that 4220 line and then I went

1889
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,480
uh to where the drain water is running.

1890
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:09,360
Uh it never backs up on my property and

1891
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:14,080
is draining out and it's at 42

1892
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,000
4212.

1893
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,400
And then I go a little further west

1894
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,080
where the water drains out through

1895
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:21,679
another area that's really not the

1896
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:23,440
ditch. It's just

1897
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:28,880
Uh, and that one there's 4209.

1898
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,040
Uh, I didn't go shoot where the lake

1899
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:34,480
come up. I wish I would have now. Uh, my

1900
01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:41,360
guess is uh that it's probably 425 426

1901
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:44,000
uh somewhere's in there. So my

1902
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:45,679
suggestion, I know it's coming back to

1903
01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:48,159
us to make the decision, but just so you

1904
01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:52,400
guys can uh come up with something u uh

1905
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,719
you know, wording or that to take, you

1906
01:39:54,719 --> 01:39:58,320
know, maybe even specific uh piece of

1907
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:00,400
property, how it aligns with the South

1908
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,480
Run or what do you call the South Fork?

1909
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:04,480
It's been the South Run to us since we

1910
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:07,600
were kids. But uh uh yeah, I don't see

1911
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,719
it uh uh ever backing up. Can it?

1912
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:13,360
Absolutely. But anyway, that's just a

1913
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,320
little bit of info that might help you

1914
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:19,920
uh know some things and if this map's

1915
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:21,360
correct, those would be the right

1916
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,360
heights.

1917
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,280
Thank you.

1918
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,280
>> Thank you.

1919
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:31,270
Any other public comment?

1920
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:34,400
See no public comment. All

1921
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:41,189
entertain a motion return to our review.

1922
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,320
Motion to be uh public.

1923
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,800
>> Second. A motion for Commissioner Wis

1924
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:48,400
and a second from Commissioner Denny.

1925
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:49,520
All in favor?

1926
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:54,320
>> I I We are now back in our regular

1927
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:58,080
meeting on the request for

1928
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,639
uh change elevation line and bring it

1929
01:41:00,639 --> 01:41:02,639
back to the commission for discussion

1930
01:41:02,639 --> 01:41:06,709
and motion.

1931
01:41:06,719 --> 01:41:09,280
» Question J. So with that was it rosin

1932
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:10,639
rats we call it?

1933
01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:14,000
>> So that was prior to this 4020 4220 code

1934
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,400
that we have now. So what what

1935
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:17,840
determined what made you guys get up to

1936
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:19,280
that elevation you were saying where it

1937
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,040
worked well just because it

1938
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:22,719
>> that was the only way they could get it

1939
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:24,560
to drain the design engineers.

1940
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:25,040
>> Yeah.

1941
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,440
>> You know to get to that 4215 with their

1942
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:29,920
storm drain. Obviously the locks were

1943
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,360
going to be higher than that. So

1944
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:34,000
>> yeah. So that's kind of where I wanted

1945
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,320
to get to is I think a lot of times I

1946
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:37,760
think numbers

1947
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:39,440
start at, right? We have somewhere to go

1948
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:41,520
off, but a lot of times the design of

1949
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,600
the subdivision improvements are going

1950
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,679
to determine where the houses are going

1951
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:47,760
to end up at. And I think it's probably

1952
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:49,440
I think we look at the number and maybe

1953
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:51,600
change things down. 4220 is probably a

1954
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,520
little high in my opinion, but I agree

1955
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:57,040
to give the city the review they call

1956
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:58,800
the technical review committee they call

1957
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,679
and specifically Jared a little more

1958
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:03,280
power but just a little more say in

1959
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,119
different elevation

1960
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,760
um to determine that based off of

1961
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:10,400
professional geotechnical or those

1962
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,360
people bringing the design to them um

1963
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:14,960
because that to me that makes more sense

1964
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,360
where I mean obviously we want the city

1965
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,119
to have good infrastructure and not have

1966
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:19,920
issues

1967
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,440
But we also need to rely on

1968
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:22,960
professionals for designing and bringing

1969
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,360
these studies to us to make sure that's

1970
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,199
going to be good. You know, we kind of

1971
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:29,440
discussed yeah wet years, dry years,

1972
01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:31,679
water levels up and down in the ground

1973
01:42:31,679 --> 01:42:33,840
and things like that. But so that's kind

1974
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,480
of my thoughts is maybe bring number

1975
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:37,760
down and then just get maybe a little

1976
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,639
more

1977
01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:42,320
guessy. I don't know just going back and

1978
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:47,840
forth with the design engineers and the professionals for the technical and

1979
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:49,920
stuff like that.

1980
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,840
So I I guess I have a question for city

1981
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,920
council better for our attorney Nick. Is

1982
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:58,400
this something that we can make

1983
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,000
variable? I mean I call a couple of

1984
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,639
different cities today like Farmington's

1985
01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:05,040
got a set number. Syracuse has something

1986
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,560
different where it's based on water

1987
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,560
tests and people paying for pump

1988
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,040
stations. Can is it something where we

1989
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:12,639
can set a number and say then it's a

1990
01:43:12,639 --> 01:43:16,000
conditional use or to go below that

1991
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:20,000
number or what would you advise? Well,

1992
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,000
can we work it that way?

1993
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,239
>> Okay. Yeah, great question. So, this is

1994
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:25,679
an ordinance change. So, you're

1995
01:43:25,679 --> 01:43:28,400
recommending body. So, this body

1996
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:29,760
wouldn't actually do that. The city

1997
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:31,520
council would, but it's a legislative

1998
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,679
decision. So, there doesn't need to be

1999
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:35,040
substantial evidence. There just needs

2000
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,040
to be a reasonable basis for why you've

2001
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,600
passed the ordinance. Uh Mr. Hancock,

2002
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,119
our public works director, has done a

2003
01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:43,199
great job of explaining the reasonable

2004
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:45,840
basis for why they initially enacted the

2005
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,880
ordinance. But if you as a as a planning

2006
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,280
commission want to make a um want to

2007
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:53,360
give some flexibility to developers and

2008
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,040
to say, "Hey, go look at this on a

2009
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:56,960
sightspecific

2010
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,760
um basis." You have absolute legislative

2011
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:03,040
authority to do that. Um and you're you

2012
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:04,639
be free to do that. You could have a

2013
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:06,800
bright line rule and sometimes there's

2014
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:08,719
some pluses to that. makes it really

2015
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:11,280
easy for staff to say, "Hey, look,

2016
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:14,639
you're below 4220. We're done." That

2017
01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:17,520
like that saves a lot of staff time, but

2018
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,360
uh there's been good points on the other

2019
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:20,800
side as well. So, yeah, you can make

2020
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,400
that

2021
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,800
uh

2022
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,880
customizable to each site. So, if we

2023
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,360
were looking at like 4217

2024
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:30,880
>> and somebody still wanted to go below

2025
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,440
that, if if the city council passed that

2026
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:35,679
ordinance at 427, they can still apply

2027
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:38,159
for a variance.

2028
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:40,719
>> Yeah, you can apply for a variance. Uh

2029
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:43,199
variance has a very high standard. But

2030
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:45,520
what I guess if you wanted to give some

2031
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,600
flexibility, we could draft an ordinance

2032
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,320
that allowed you to give them to give

2033
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:50,960
developers

2034
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:51,920
>> a case by case

2035
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:53,440
>> case by case scenario. Yeah.

2036
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:56,159
>> And that protects the city and and

2037
01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:56,880
developer.

2038
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:02,310
>> Yeah, absolutely.

2039
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,600
» I guess I had a question for just to

2040
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:07,600
your comment on currently how the

2041
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,960
ordinance is written. Is the city at

2042
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,440
risk of litigation or anything like that

2043
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:16,239
with how it's currently written or I

2044
01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:17,920
guess is there a win-win situation that

2045
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,440
we can make take this opportunity to

2046
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:22,480
make the correct adjustments that we get

2047
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:24,560
everything storm water working correct

2048
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,760
as public work wants it and give

2049
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:31,360
maximize the property rights to home

2050
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:36,560
homeowners in that in that area. So, uh

2051
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,600
you can't ever say that because you have

2052
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:41,520
a statute sued on it, right? People can

2053
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,080
sue for any reason or no reason at all.

2054
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,880
So, but as far as like being successful

2055
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,719
in litigation, yeah, I mean, Mr.

2056
01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:50,400
Hancock's done a great job tonight of

2057
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,080
explaining the basis, the reasonable

2058
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,199
basis for why we did why the city pass

2059
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:58,719
the ordinance that it did. 4215 allowed

2060
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:01,360
things to drain. We went 5T above that

2061
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,520
to allow the infrastructure underneath.

2062
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,600
That's a perfectly reasonable basis that

2063
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,040
I think would withstand any any kind of

2064
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:11,679
attack. Absolutely. Can you change that

2065
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:13,840
and still still have that? Sure.

2066
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,520
Absolutely. You could you could provide

2067
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,400
some flexibility and that's really your

2068
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,719
decision as policy makers and

2069
01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:24,000
recommending bodies is to see if that's

2070
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,440
city wants to do. But you could

2071
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:27,920
certainly draft something, Mr. Curtis

2072
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:29,280
and I could certainly draft something

2073
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,320
that um protected the city but gave some

2074
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,320
flexibility if that's what the planning

2075
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:40,950
commission wanted to do.

2076
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,360
» I like Tucker's idea of the flexibility.

2077
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,199
I don't think I think we're in a day and

2078
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:49,040
age where we have technology to be able

2079
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,280
to look at things differently and to

2080
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,719
have a blanket rule is

2081
01:46:54,719 --> 01:46:56,800
I think it protects us but it also takes

2082
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:58,800
away some property rights in that

2083
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,440
instance. So I lean towards that

2084
01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:04,480
flexibility with also maintaining

2085
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:06,320
to reduce the risk to the city. But that

2086
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:09,840
that's just where I

2087
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:14,080
think with that flexibility it being

2088
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:15,920
like I said before the design of the

2089
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,480
subdivision should bring it up because

2090
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:20,480
Jared will have the ability to say no

2091
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:21,600
this storm drain isn't going to work.

2092
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:22,800
It's going to fl people out. We need to

2093
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:29,920
bring this up a little bit and that'll bring up the subdivision law and Jer mentioned a lot. Yeah. And we

2094
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:31,840
were county

2095
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,719
um the flood we had wasn't like you were

2096
01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:36,639
saying it wasn't the lake. It's the

2097
01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:38,480
river. It's flat and it spreads out and

2098
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:40,639
it backs all the way up. Couple years

2099
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:43,280
ago we had the big snow events. It was

2100
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,119
actually pretty controlled runoff, but

2101
01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:47,119
things still flooded, right? Got up high

2102
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:49,040
and I don't know if it backed up where

2103
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:50,480
you were talking just right next to this

2104
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:53,199
frozen ranch or anything like that. But

2105
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:54,639
yeah, a little bit. And things have

2106
01:47:54,639 --> 01:47:56,239
changed. They did do some improvements

2107
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:58,800
to the to a bay a lot. I don't know. I

2108
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,400
mean, it's helped, but there's always

2109
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:01,760
something, right? There's always

2110
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:02,639
something that's going to cause

2111
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:04,880
problems. But I think that's that's my

2112
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,199
thought is it's that flexibility. The

2113
01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:09,040
design and review of the design is going

2114
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:10,800
to bring those houses up. thing you

2115
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,679
brought up. We don't want to. Yeah. The

2116
01:48:13,679 --> 01:48:15,760
last thing is you want I mean in August

2117
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:18,159
when it rained hard for a day and a half

2118
01:48:18,159 --> 01:48:19,760
for how many inches of rain? I forget

2119
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,719
it. But we had people calling all day

2120
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:24,320
the county saying we're flooding. We're

2121
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:25,600
flooding stump pumps aren't doing

2122
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,280
nothing. That's cuz every drain was

2123
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,360
full. And so we exact example where the

2124
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:30,960
drains are full. They couldn't pump up

2125
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,679
anywhere. They just flooded. So I think

2126
01:48:33,679 --> 01:48:35,360
the design and review of that design

2127
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:36,639
kind of brings things up if it needs to

2128
01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:38,960
be brought up. That's kind of like I

2129
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:43,270
like the flexibility idea of it.

2130
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,199
» Yeah, I would say I agree. I'm a I'm a

2131
01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:47,440
big proponent of Jared's model that he

2132
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:49,040
proposed. You know, I have a pretty good

2133
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:50,239
knowledge base of underground

2134
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:52,400
infrastructure for my professional life.

2135
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:55,119
But um obviously water's got to flow and

2136
01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:56,480
if it's just pumping in a circle because

2137
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:58,080
the pipes are full or the dam the

2138
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,800
river's full and then we're screwed. But

2139
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:06,870
I like the ideib

2140
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:08,719
I don't agree. Some of these guys have

2141
01:49:08,719 --> 01:49:10,639
brought up some good points and I don't

2142
01:49:10,639 --> 01:49:12,880
have any problem looking at it case by

2143
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:16,400
case. I think the hard part here is for

2144
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:19,840
I think since 1986 we've dealt with one

2145
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,400
elevation that's it. We made some

2146
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,800
adjustments to that and I don't really

2147
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,520
mind going back to 4215 as long as we

2148
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:30,159
can start there with infrastructure.

2149
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:32,880
Um but I I think that's probably the

2150
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,840
hard part. There definitely are cases I

2151
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,159
think anybody looking at that Rosson

2152
01:49:38,159 --> 01:49:40,159
Ranch scenario would be crazy to say

2153
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:43,199
let's build lots below the pond. Um

2154
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:45,280
there are some other places in town like

2155
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:48,560
Mr. Lynches that may be fine. So I don't

2156
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,400
mind looking at them case by case but do

2157
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:52,239
that we want to like absolutely we're

2158
01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:55,920
not going below this level. Um, the

2159
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,080
other thing I want to bring up, we talk

2160
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:01,199
about geotech reports and I'm not a

2161
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:03,760
geotech engineer, but I read them all

2162
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:05,920
the time and a lot of times they're full

2163
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,320
of baloney.

2164
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:11,679
They they go out in the I will mention

2165
01:50:11,679 --> 01:50:13,520
the property and tell us they found

2166
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:17,199
traces of groundwater at 7 ft. And I'm

2167
01:50:17,199 --> 01:50:19,040
like, leave that open overnight and

2168
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:20,800
there'll be more than a trace. It'll be

2169
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:24,800
full. Um, if we go do a bunch of geotech

2170
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,600
reports right now on the it's either the

2171
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,800
driest or the second driest year ever,

2172
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,320
we're going to get reports that are

2173
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,639
favorable to developing that area that

2174
01:50:34,639 --> 01:50:37,360
may not be the case when we get another

2175
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,119
1984.

2176
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:41,600
So, I think there's a little bit of

2177
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:43,600
stuff we'd have to work out, but I'm not

2178
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,000
opposed to working at case by case and

2179
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:51,430
doing things that make sense.

2180
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:53,440
thing I meant or want to mention is too

2181
01:50:53,440 --> 01:50:56,480
is I don't know how recently the flood

2182
01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:59,440
maps for Hilford um obviously we're

2183
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:01,040
getting closer to the lake than we're

2184
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:02,880
going to be seeing the flood zone if I'm

2185
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:04,719
not mistaken it's zone A pretty much

2186
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:07,040
everywhere right there's no defined

2187
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:09,520
flood elevation saying this is it and so

2188
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:10,560
if we're getting closer to that and

2189
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:11,840
that's not going to help determine a lot

2190
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,960
of things anyways um I don't know how

2191
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,199
close your property is to flood zone but

2192
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:19,280
anyways that's something to think about

2193
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:29,669
as

2194
01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:32,239
So, as far as the recommendation or if

2195
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:35,199
we want to move on this um tonight, it

2196
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:39,119
sounds like we do want some flexibility

2197
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:43,679
but also want to see city needs met as

2198
01:51:43,679 --> 01:51:46,239
well. So in any recommendation, I think

2199
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:49,119
we should have the city council work

2200
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:51,679
closely with city staff to make sure

2201
01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:53,199
they feel like their needs are getting

2202
01:51:53,199 --> 01:51:56,080
met and we can get that flexibility for

2203
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:58,800
the property owners as well if we choose

2204
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:02,080
to go that route.

2205
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:03,760
>> If the planning commission wants to see

2206
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:05,199
something with some flexibility, we

2207
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:07,360
could also table it tonight and we could

2208
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:10,000
I could work with Mr.

2209
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,639
I think Johnson and Smith Nolles and and

2210
01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:15,199
with staff here obviously and try to get

2211
01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:17,440
something that's mutually agreeable for

2212
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:19,440
everybody and bring that back if the

2213
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:21,040
planning commission wants to do that

2214
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:23,360
because this is an ordinance excuse me

2215
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:25,360
ordinance amendment the city has no

2216
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,679
liability for tableling it or putting it

2217
01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:30,639
off as long as we want. So

2218
01:52:30,639 --> 01:52:32,480
that's I think we do that. They also

2219
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:35,840
asked their attorneys with Smith Noles

2220
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:37,760
that I mean they provided a couple of

2221
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:39,599
examples in there but Summit County

2222
01:52:39,599 --> 01:52:42,719
isn't really relatable to Utah but you

2223
01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:44,159
know when you think of elevations and

2224
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:47,280
stuff like that. So that that wasn't

2225
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:51,830
very helpful but

2226
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:53,360
» yeah I would agree. I'd like to see

2227
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,119
something drafted up that can kind of

2228
01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:56,320
give us something to wrap our heads

2229
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,000
around that you know benefits everyone

2230
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:02,950
involved.

2231
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:04,880
I really think we're closer on this

2232
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,280
issue than all the drawings created

2233
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:09,040
about it. It's I don't think there's

2234
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:11,119
that much disagreement. I think everyone

2235
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:12,880
wants the infrastructure to work

2236
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,760
including the developers. I think we can

2237
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,400
get there.

2238
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,199
>> Would you feel fine if they did that? If

2239
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:23,679
that was the motion tonight, does that

2240
01:53:23,679 --> 01:53:29,189
feel good?

2241
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:30,719
» Then if you're okay with it, I'll have a

2242
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:33,199
motion to table this and we will revisit

2243
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:36,159
the issue with a draft from the

2244
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:40,629
attorneys.

2245
01:53:40,639 --> 01:53:43,599
» Second. We have a motion from uh

2246
01:53:43,599 --> 01:53:45,199
Commissioner Denny and a second from

2247
01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:46,880
Commissioner Wait to table this item

2248
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,360
until we get further

2249
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,400
u instruction from the attorneys. All in

2250
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:53,199
favor?

2251
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:56,950
>> I I

2252
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:01,440
» um now on to our last discussion item

2253
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:04,560
for and this is involving a group home

2254
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,040
ordinance creation and amendments to

2255
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,560
city code 10-1A-1.

2256
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:13,040
amendment of 10-2B-2

2257
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:18,080
and creation of a new ordinance 10-2B-6.

2258
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:19,760
Um,

2259
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:23,679
I'll bring that up to

2260
01:54:23,679 --> 01:54:27,119
>> to the commission to discuss and maybe

2261
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:28,960
ask the attorney any questions that we

2262
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:43,669
have in our working

2263
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:45,280
I guess some of the items that were just

2264
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:47,520
brought up in the work meeting was that

2265
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:50,159
there's just not

2266
01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:53,679
there's some gray areas as far as

2267
01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:56,480
what's the maximum number allowed and

2268
01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:59,280
what's not allowed. And I think we just

2269
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:01,440
want some clarification

2270
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,960
or guidance on clarification as far as

2271
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:07,280
where we can put those limits and how

2272
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:10,719
each of these subgroups or limits fall

2273
01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:14,480
into those categories in that in that

2274
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:19,109
section.

2275
01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:20,480
Did that sum up everybody?

2276
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:21,520
>> Yeah,

2277
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:23,599
>> I'm sorry. I was a little I apologize. I

2278
01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:25,599
was a little stressed. Can you tell the

2279
01:55:25,599 --> 01:55:31,669
question?

2280
01:55:31,679 --> 01:55:33,760
So we were

2281
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,599
in the ordinances how they're currently

2282
01:55:35,599 --> 01:55:37,920
written and what is was proposed a lot

2283
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:41,199
of times it states a a minimum number

2284
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:43,440
but doesn't give a maximum number and we

2285
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,800
just want to

2286
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:51,920
guidance on how those maximum numbers are best way

2287
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:55,360
to determine those maximum numbers. So,

2288
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:59,199
group home group home facilities are a

2289
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:02,159
sticky wicket legally. Um, there's not

2290
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:04,400
really great bright line rules. I can

2291
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:08,159
tell you like once you hit 10 people,

2292
01:56:08,159 --> 01:56:10,639
you can just say no. It's a lot of it is

2293
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:14,239
dependent on size of the structure and

2294
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:15,679
uh number of bedrooms, number of

2295
01:56:15,679 --> 01:56:20,159
bathrooms, that kind of thing. So, um

2296
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:22,800
I I mean I think the the idea is that

2297
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:25,760
the group home has to be

2298
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:27,360
there has it there has to be reasonable

2299
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:28,719
facilities for who's going to be in the

2300
01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:30,719
group home. So, for example, if you have

2301
01:56:30,719 --> 01:56:33,760
a sixbedroom, five bath home, you're

2302
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,000
going to have a lot a lot higher maximum

2303
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,639
number of people. We generally think two

2304
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:40,960
or three people per room somewhere

2305
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:46,390
between there. Um so, you know,

2306
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:49,520
If it's a twobedroom home, it's like

2307
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:52,960
obviously much smaller smaller

2308
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:58,239
number. Um, a lot of times there's these

2309
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:01,119
uh presumptive

2310
01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:05,119
limits like these uh four for unrelated

2311
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:08,480
people. But that is um

2312
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:11,760
often these group homes fall under ADA

2313
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:14,880
and we have to comply with ADA. So they

2314
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:18,639
often come to staff with arguments for

2315
01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:21,119
why they should exceed those and

2316
01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:23,599
generally we have to if they can show

2317
01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:26,000
that they're within

2318
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:29,119
um the reasonable range then we

2319
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:31,520
generally allow them.

2320
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:33,360
>> So how much of this it seems like a lot

2321
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:39,840
of this is governed by state code. Um

2322
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:42,400
I guess where's our

2323
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:45,040
steering direction that we can go if a

2324
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:46,639
lot of times it just comes back and if

2325
01:57:46,639 --> 01:57:48,719
they can

2326
01:57:48,719 --> 01:57:51,760
prove a reasonable point we kind of

2327
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,360
allow it anyways.

2328
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:56,239
>> Yeah. Um I think that I think the idea

2329
01:57:56,239 --> 01:58:03,119
is that um with with what's proposed um

2330
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:04,320
and and kind of what we're thinking

2331
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:07,199
about I think the idea is that those are

2332
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:09,280
general guidelines and if somebody if

2333
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:12,880
somebody comes in and they want to

2334
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:15,280
deviate from those then the the weight

2335
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:19,760
of persuasion falls on them right so if

2336
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:21,199
they come in and they just say look I

2337
01:58:21,199 --> 01:58:25,199
want double the number Then we this

2338
01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:28,000
gives us the ability to say okay explain

2339
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:30,480
why and then they have to they have to

2340
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:32,560
demonstrate why they think that that the

2341
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:35,840
ADA would allow that why they think that

2342
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:37,599
the facilities are adequate and those

2343
01:58:37,599 --> 01:58:40,320
kind of things. So you're exactly right

2344
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:42,719
like this is largely governed by federal

2345
01:58:42,719 --> 01:58:45,440
and state law and the cities have very

2346
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,360
little to regulate here but we do have

2347
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:49,440
some interest in regulating it and

2348
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:51,840
establishing some standard gives us the

2349
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:54,880
ability one to when they come in and

2350
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:57,119
talk to staff we can say how many people

2351
01:58:57,119 --> 01:58:59,520
are going to have and have dialogue

2352
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:01,199
there

2353
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:03,440
rather than rather than just being

2354
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:08,310
governed by federal and state law.

2355
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:09,679
One of the questions I had, so we have

2356
01:59:09,679 --> 01:59:11,360
definitions for a group home for persons

2357
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:13,679
with disability, group home for the

2358
01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:16,880
elderly. And then amendment two in that

2359
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:19,599
first sentence of 102-6,

2360
01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:21,360
it says that placement of specific

2361
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,280
persons restricted placement of group

2362
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:25,520
home facilities shall not shall be on

2363
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:28,480
strictly voluntary basis and not part of

2364
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:30,800
uh in loop and find out treatment or

2365
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:33,119
correct facilities. So those types will

2366
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:34,560
not be allowed in these types of

2367
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:36,400
situations.

2368
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:40,000
>> That's correct. Now, let me let me cave

2369
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,639
off that. So, you could have a rehab

2370
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:46,000
center in in these residential zones and

2371
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,080
candidly like the city can't prohibit

2372
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:51,119
that because of ADA requirements, but

2373
01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:52,719
you couldn't have a halfway house.

2374
01:59:52,719 --> 01:59:55,520
>> Oh, yeah. If it's a if it's something

2375
01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:58,239
like that, no. If it's a it's a halfway

2376
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:00,159
house treatment facility, that can't be

2377
02:00:00,159 --> 02:00:03,119
in residential zone. If it's a if people

2378
02:00:03,119 --> 02:00:04,719
are paying to be there and they're there

2379
02:00:04,719 --> 02:00:09,750
on a voluntary basis, then yes.

2380
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,960
when we to kind of ask expand on that

2381
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:15,599
just a little bit. So, court ordered

2382
02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:18,080
treatment. So, you've got a juvenile

2383
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:19,840
that goes before a judge and they're

2384
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:22,000
like you're either getting a year or you

2385
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,400
go to a rehabilitation facility. Does

2386
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:28,400
this exclude them or because the way

2387
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,719
that reads in my mind says we can

2388
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:32,239
exclude it and that might be an issue

2389
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:35,280
with our organs. Yeah, I think what this

2390
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:37,920
would say is if the state is going to

2391
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:40,560
run a rehab facility and they're going

2392
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:43,760
to it's a it's a custodial setting,

2393
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:45,599
right? Those people are not free to

2394
02:00:45,599 --> 02:00:48,159
leave, uh then then it can't be in the

2395
02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:49,360
res. Okay.

2396
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:51,520
>> But if the person goes to court and the

2397
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:53,440
judge says you got to do substance abuse

2398
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:55,679
treatment or you got to do mental health

2399
02:00:55,679 --> 02:00:58,400
treatment, um find a place on your own

2400
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:00,960
and that person goes out and finds you

2401
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:03,840
know my house that I'm running treat and

2402
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:07,920
they're showing up voluntarily, then that's going to be allowed.

2403
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:10,639
>> But it's not going to be allowed if

2404
02:01:10,639 --> 02:01:12,480
correctional officers bring them to the

2405
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:14,800
home and there's a large, you know, 12t

2406
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:17,760
fence with barbed wire. That's not going

2407
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:32,310
to be allowed.

2408
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:34,800
I guess like

2409
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:36,560
I feel like we're tasking you up on your

2410
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:39,280
first night like crazy, but I I think

2411
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:40,960
this is, you know, this is a big scary

2412
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:42,400
subject because there's a lot of laws in

2413
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:45,360
that and you know, having been witnessed

2414
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:46,800
to a lot of the city council meetings

2415
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,760
where this came up in previous years.

2416
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:53,679
Um, I think we need some help of where

2417
02:01:53,679 --> 02:01:56,239
we can construct boundaries

2418
02:01:56,239 --> 02:01:58,800
>> versus, you know, whether it be

2419
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,400
residential or commercial zone, whether

2420
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:02,880
it be bed count, you know, a lot of that

2421
02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:05,679
is federal and state mandated, right?

2422
02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:07,520
Like certifications and all that kind of

2423
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:09,679
stuff. But I think we could really use

2424
02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:10,960
some help and guidance there because

2425
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:12,000
otherwise we're just going to have

2426
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:14,880
arbitrary numbers and violate

2427
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:16,719
everybody's rights. They lost and that's

2428
02:02:16,719 --> 02:02:17,599
not good.

2429
02:02:17,599 --> 02:02:19,199
>> Fair enough.

2430
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:20,719
This is a great first meeting for me.

2431
02:02:20,719 --> 02:02:22,639
Thank you.

2432
02:02:22,639 --> 02:02:27,189
>> Oh, we're not done with you yet.

2433
02:02:27,199 --> 02:02:28,880
» Okay. So, just so I'm clear, so when I

2434
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:30,880
come when we come back in July, we want

2435
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:33,599
to have a better understanding of number

2436
02:02:33,599 --> 02:02:37,750
of residents

2437
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:41,520
per per square foot or whatever. What

2438
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:44,320
else can we change that? Can we change

2439
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:45,760
that based off of residential and

2440
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:47,040
commercial, too? Should there be two

2441
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:49,920
different codes based off of both sets?

2442
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:51,840
>> I feel pretty confident we can do that

2443
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:53,360
right now, but I'll make sure I'll just

2444
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:54,400
research.

2445
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:56,000
>> Yeah, I think and just that kind of what

2446
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:58,719
the guard rails are and verbiage around,

2447
02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:00,320
you know, are our definitions correct

2448
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:02,080
around,

2449
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:05,920
you know, what defines elderly person or

2450
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:07,840
persons with disabilities. It seems like

2451
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:09,520
we have different men and maxes listed

2452
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:11,679
in here and I just want to make sure we

2453
02:03:11,679 --> 02:03:29,669
line up with keeping everybody legal.

2454
02:03:29,679 --> 02:03:32,159
I think that was all. Anybody else

2455
02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:34,880
questions? I think that answered most of

2456
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,520
mine.

2457
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:40,239
I got some good

2458
02:03:40,239 --> 02:03:43,040
for you next time. Wait for it. Be

2459
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:45,599
great. Thank you.

2460
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:50,480
Um, we'll now move into our

2461
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:52,800
citizen comment portion of the meeting.

2462
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:54,480
As a citizen, you can come forward. You

2463
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:55,920
have three minutes to comment. Please

2464
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:59,599
state your name and you're if you're a

2465
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:02,480
per city resident. And just so you know,

2466
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:05,520
we can't take any actions or on these

2467
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:07,599
comments, but you can come express

2468
02:04:07,599 --> 02:04:10,400
anything that you want to express.

2469
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:13,679
We'll turn that time over to you or turn

2470
02:04:13,679 --> 02:04:18,070
that time to you now.

2471
02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:20,800
See,

2472
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:23,360
that's okay.

2473
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:25,360
Just want to thank you guys for what

2474
02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:27,840
you're doing. It's nice to have some

2475
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:29,679
people on the planning commission that

2476
02:04:29,679 --> 02:04:31,679
have some real life experience on these

2477
02:04:31,679 --> 02:04:33,440
kind of issues. It's going to be really

2478
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:36,320
helpful. We love Jared and I know we can

2479
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:39,040
work with him and our new attorney. I'm

2480
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:41,119
pretty already has given to us a good

2481
02:04:41,119 --> 02:04:43,920
job and be fun. So I don't know how you

2482
02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:49,030
can lose in that situation.

2483
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:55,430
» Thank you. Any other citizen comment?

2484
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:57,119
Seeing no comments, I'll entertain a

2485
02:04:57,119 --> 02:05:02,629
motion to adjourn the meeting.

2486
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:05,440
» Second motion from Commissioner Wood to

2487
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:06,960
second from Commissioner B. All in

2488
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:07,599
favor?

2489
02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:10,639
>> I I