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Did you write or who wrote the develop

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that's something I want to see let's

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start off with that put on the agenda

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Welcome everybody out to our work

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to Can I get a volunteer for

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» the two guys that aren't here yet? Do

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grandpa.

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» Great. Um, so the first action item,

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permit that wasn't

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they didn't receive the notices in time.

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height they're going

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because of the lot size.

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an zone.

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>> Oh, he's zone.

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» We didn't change anything in that as

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>> The address on that one like you drive

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neighbors along his back have

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think it'll do improvements to that

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property to allow him to have a shop

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because he had a lot of vehicles so I

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house. So, I think that there's a

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potential that it actually will improve

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the neighborhood allowing him to have

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some storage space. So, I mean, based

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opportunity for the neighbors. One side

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note on that just since it got brought

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do be do like hey 25% just you know a

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that but let's change we may sit for six

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many but eventually we could change and

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>> Hey, Travis.

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>> Apologies. My boss called.

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>> Not the one I'm married to. I actually

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work for him.

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prayer, but I I told him I wouldn't let

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>> Hey, be careful what you wish for.

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>> It might be a little more uncomfortable

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for you than you think. [laughter]

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>> Now I want it.

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>> Let's get some excitement in here. Got

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to liven this place up.

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>> Scratch my name out. [laughter]

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>> All right. You're volunteering. Travis.

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» Um Travis or Bryce or Blake, did you

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>> You just got to read them better.

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um briefly discuss the Dubach

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permit, but it's pretty much just the

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same one that'll be public that did last

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time that has the correct notices. So,

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they're just asking for the 500

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allowance and then the half

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on the building.

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Hey, on those um somebody refresh me.

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all those conditional use? I know it's

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an option, right?

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going to do public hearings on or what

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have a public hearing.

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to have a public hearing form or is it

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just the right thing to do which I'm

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okay either way.

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that like do we do public hearings on

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feelings like we well we're ti we're

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legally tied by what we're legally tied

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way or the other. I think it helps us be

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better serve the community.

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>> It doesn't hurt. doesn't hurt anything

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>> express their concerns and make some

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hands are tied by existing ordinances

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and it doesn't matter anyway. So if it

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them just to hear them.

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within guidelines. So maybe that is the

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excessive in what I fine.

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the R zone that Malcolm told us. And so

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it's 1,200 ft there and 1,800 1800.

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application just to give perspective

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use. But as we do our code, our prior

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definition of family was up to eight,

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which was aggressive for just a

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permitted group home use, right? I don't

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change modifies our family definition.

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everything above really should be housed

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definition comfortable definitions for

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a children treatment facility or we've

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saying for tonight but those are things

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the zones those are peritted in and

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what the numbers are sometimes the

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numbers feel a little arbitrary

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home group is six. That's not

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tighten them up we go

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>> you have any data from other

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meeting. We actually were excessive and

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our allowance now we're tightening it a

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little bit complying and make sure we're

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comfortable then everything eight and

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above really we want to be comfortable

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with the commercial applications of

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these different things whether they're

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kind of call out where they're

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conditional and things like that give

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times those are condition office

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residential some not I don't think

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they're peritted like commercial

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settings but are they peritting

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is going to get classified into

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something so Yeah.

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uses here and there, but even that one

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state license call,

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is it

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time to further discuss agreement

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as well.

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>> Yeah.

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I don't know if

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you guys can talk to me about either way

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conflict today, but I realize that if

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you guys are preparation

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on this, you're going to have a lot of

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questions for Nick. So, it's a little

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bit peaceful. We're discussion here.

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We'll talk with the development team.

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I'm hoping you guys can get your

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questions out. opportunities

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to talk

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a little.

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» Well, anybody have any other questions

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or we'll bring

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up and let them kind of present what

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they have for us?

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>> We are ready for you when you are.

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through the door.

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» I know we're a little bit early, but

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>> back

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my recommendation over time a lotment

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for this would be you present the

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concept.

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>> We'll split it here. I'll try and

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>> Yeah, we have you guys present the

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concept. choice slide here present the

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concept over 15 30 minutes and then I

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just highlighted a few things that I

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think are pertinent to your guys's

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discussion but we'll go through slide by

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slide we'll take the rest of the 30

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minutes 40 minutes to go through that

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yeah Troy if you can introduce

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your project about your slides here

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>> yeah and and then part of this is the

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development agreement we're trying to mesh uh the the ribbon

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with the development agreement so we

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want to make sure we've got uses

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uh conducive to what you want there. So

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>> will you get a chance if we get time?

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I'd like to hit them all.

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>> Yeah, I'll make sure I address kind of

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the way we're planning on approving it

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and that is with the developers

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agreement. Make sure we get uses

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identified. So we'll talk through that.

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>> We have Troy's booted up there.

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>> Yeah, you just take however long to

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introduce the project and we'll go

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through the DA kind of through pieces I

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think are really important for them.

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They

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forward that.

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>> Okay. Hopefully most everybody's

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familiar and I'm Troy Wolverton from AWA

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>> and I'm Stuart Adams with Terrace the

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developer

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>> but hopefully everybody's familiar with

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the majority of the project is pretty

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much those hayfields there that are

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mowed um that you can kind of see in the

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[clears throat] picture to the left of

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the project is a residential subdivision

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existing and the smallest lot that I

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could find in there was about 12,000

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square feet and ranging being probably

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the biggest one. There might be some on

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the culde-sacs that are a little bigger,

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but anyway, they're a little less than

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what I call a third of an acre or 15,000

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square feet. As you move to the north,

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you can kind of see there's the road

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continues up, kind of makes a wind there

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north and to the left. Those are oneacre

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lots and then straight north, they're

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two to three acre lots. As we really

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tried to figure out what's the best way

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to kind of lay out this property, we

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really kind of looked at how do we

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transition densities and different

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things away from the commercial that's

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proposed. So, keeping that in mind on

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the north from a land planning

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perspective, it's a little hard to tell.

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Will those two to three acre lots one

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day have the rear portions of those lots

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infilled or will they continue to remain

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two to three acre lots? And I'm not

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trying to make a prediction for

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[clears throat] any land owner out

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there.

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>> I'm just saying one day it might make

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sense to infill those back areas. I

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don't know. So as as we look at this

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transitioning away from the commercial,

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just kind of keep that bigger picture in

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mind, if you will.

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>> Well, it's I I think it's also

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important. It's not on this map, but if

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you go even further north, that's my

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neighborhood and those are 30acre lots

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>> pretty.

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So you've got the lower density there,

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but then it gets more back in my

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neighbor.

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>> And then uh [clears throat] one change

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to uh the original project, some of you

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may have seen the original project did

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not include what I call Conniey's

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property. Uh

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>> I was going to ask about that

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>> and uh we have since acquired Conniey's

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property. So

402
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>> I assume with how the line looks.

403
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>> Yeah. So So that that's a change and

404
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you'll see it here clearly, but I wanted

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to make sure

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Three paths are currently shown across

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the front to the left that I would say

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is a little different than what has kind

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of been shown

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>> property there.

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>> And then what we tried to do is just

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really kind of infill in the back

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portion what we've kind of always called

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residential, but really just kind of

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give an idea of what it might look like.

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And this is where it becomes really

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important to get a feel for

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your the local commissioners as well and

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get your recommendations of, you know, more about the local

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conditions than I do. Um, I'm originally

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from a little bit further north, but

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Hoper's changed a lot, and so I have a

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lot of this area around since I lived up

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here. And so, this is where it's an

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opportunity for us just to listen and to

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learn from you as we talk about this.

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>> And could I maybe go up to the screen? I

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have a tough time with that. I'm a

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physical guy, you know.

430
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I'd rather have a paper map than I would

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scream. But before I think property was

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probably right in here somewhere.

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>> So before we showed this as a PUB just

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this piece right in here

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and now we have this additional right

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here.

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And there is a there is a thought

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hanging bit in the back of at least my

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mind.

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It's right now because of Amazon and

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most home deliveries.

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Uh, small box retail

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pretty much doesn't exist anymore unless

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you're in what they call a power center.

445
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You have like Riverdale or some place

446
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like that or you know very high density

447
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just because there's not enough volume

448
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for them to survive because everybody's

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like my wife truck show up quite often

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and it just the small retailers

451
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[clears throat] are not staying in

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business. So to put put small box retail

453
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in here doesn't work anymore but there

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may be some

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we we did a Smith with the wheels in

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Springfield. I have no idea where that

457
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demand is there but that could be there

458
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too maybe and I just haven't figured out

459
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whether there's whether there's I don't

460
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know it's been so so fast that we

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acquired

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what

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We're putting in residential because we

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don't think the market's there. We don't

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think there's an EOS still come here. We

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don't don't spread that rumor around.

467
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Okay. We have no public meeting probably

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here, but we don't know what's there.

469
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But that's at least something that was

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in the back of our mind. But we've we've

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adopted residential there instead. Okay.

472
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>> A lot of the pad

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uh details that are shown there, and the

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pads being the buildings that are out

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away from the major anchor, are what

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could go there. and we would be able to

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say for certain that the fuel center

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would be there and the grocery anchor

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would be there. The others are tenants

480
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that they're representing tenants that

481
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Steuart's worked with in the past in

482
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other shopping centers. Uh but really

483
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it's based on demand getting this out

484
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there and so forth. But really we can't

485
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do any of that until we've established

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zoning and basically a framework to be

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able to build this. And I'll spend just

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a minute on that and listen. Uh in

489
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Cisville, the mayor in Cisville was very

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[clears throat] impressive and wanted a

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Neers and a Jimmy John's

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>> specifically

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>> and uh and we actually went to Neers and

494
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told him the marijuana them and they

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ended up in case

496
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and we did the same with Jimmy Johns.

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Now I don't know whether that'll happen

498
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here but we don't know whether it be

499
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Jimmy Johns or Jersey Mike. We if it'll

500
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be America First or Golden West or Key

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Bank or or there will be a bank here

502
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about credit institution somebody

503
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and I don't know what kind of sound we

504
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shot but that that'll all be determined

505
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and we really can't go talk to him very

506
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well until we have we're down the line

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with the city.

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>> So would your plan be to build the

509
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shells and then try and fill the shells

510
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or build the suit

511
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>> so they those empty until you have

512
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interested.

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>> Well, we won't start uh we typically

514
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don't start an inline shop building

515
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>> until we have half of it sold

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>> and then after we have half of it

517
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[clears throat] sold, we'll expect the

518
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other two. Uh but most of the demand we

519
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have high demand for dry books

520
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,679
co change the the market significantly

521
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and then we'll have maybe some single

522
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users whether you get you won't get

523
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we'd love to have Chick-fil-A. They're

524
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probably not going to come. Okay. But uh

525
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but you'll get some single pad users

526
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like you know that type of user

527
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might be

528
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residential

529
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right the blue and green

530
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,720
>> it's about that green line was where her

531
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stopped. Yeah, that's they stole this.

532
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:25,120
>> These units here are new res.

533
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>> That's correct.

534
00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:28,799
>> And is that detention bas?

535
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,799
>> Yeah. Where it says [clears throat]

536
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:33,039
>> you would be opening a flag space

537
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:36,320
scenario in this spot right there.

538
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,880
If we were to re like a flag space,

539
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,640
>> it could become residential or

540
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commercial.

541
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,840
>> Yes, I would love that. So, I would like

542
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,600
the time to go look for it. And I was

543
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,120
going to ask you whether you'd look at

544
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something like that. It's mixed use or

545
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,520
whatever you might call it flex zone. I

546
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,159
don't care what the name of it is. But I would like if you want it, you know,

547
00:25:56,159 --> 00:25:58,720
that'll be your decision, not mine, but

548
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,360
I would I would like the opportunity to

549
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,200
go to try to look at something

550
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,600
additional if you could do that. Okay.

551
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,200
>> I think in a limited application, it

552
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would make some sense on a small piece

553
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:15,360
that maybe commercial like that.

554
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,120
>> We do need a place to put storm water,

555
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,720
but if there were a for that under again

556
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the depth of there is a lot of

557
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:24,559
information we don't know about this

558
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:26,240
property I don't know anything about the

559
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,919
geotech I don't know the depth of the

560
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,720
ground water [clears throat and cough]

561
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,520
uh I don't really know the topography of

562
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760
it yet we're in the process of flying it

563
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,679
and establishing topography and getting

564
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,159
more information gathered we do need a

565
00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:43,039
place to put storm water and like I say

566
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:45,600
we we've reserved a spot but that spot

567
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,320
might have to be a little you know,

568
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,000
modified if that

569
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,600
>> and that spot is specifically a

570
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,240
retention basin concept at this point or

571
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,600
would you consider like a storm tech

572
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,919
system under the parking lot or

573
00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:58,880
potential options?

574
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,240
>> A lot of that depends on the depth of

575
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,039
the ground.

576
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:02,720
>> True. Yeah, you wouldn't. Yeah, you'd

577
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,840
have to have some kind of percolation

578
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,720
with the storm.

579
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,559
>> That's kind of why I threw on.

580
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:08,559
>> We we got a lot of options, but we just

581
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,919
don't know for sure the details.

582
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:14,559
>> But the flex space idea, a dental

583
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,159
office, some kind of a professional

584
00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:19,039
office, they They do tend to work in

585
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,919
where it does take commercial.

586
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:23,440
They could even go out more on the

587
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,480
frontage for that side as well. But

588
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,120
again, it just kind of depends on what

589
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:30,159
stewards.

590
00:27:30,159 --> 00:27:32,000
>> Yeah, we can't put drive ups everywhere.

591
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,159
We know that. But we usually put them on

592
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:35,919
the ends of the building to then fill

593
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:42,630
the middles with uh cutters

594
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,799
» this that northeast

595
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:51,350
two parcels up there. empty point to it.

596
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:52,880
» We don't own them.

597
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,840
>> They're homes.

598
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,399
>> Yeah,

599
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:56,559
>> they're already they got home.

600
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,120
>> But they we have talked those are part

601
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,120
of the family

602
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,120
and we are reszoning those in our

603
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,559
reszone effort. Uh

604
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:10,159
and again uh the farthest north piece

605
00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:12,159
Malcolm

606
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:14,799
that that parcel right there my

607
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,799
understanding is acre lot almost, but

608
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:20,880
even though it's almost an acre lot, it

609
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,720
doesn't have the frontage to be built on

610
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,760
it. So, uh, they would like to build

611
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,840
eventually on that for one of their

612
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,279
kids, I think. And so, we're reszoning

613
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:34,799
at half acres zone. And the halfacre

614
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:36,720
zone isn't necessarily for them to

615
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,120
divide it to half acres. It's in order

616
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,799
for the frontage to work so they can

617
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,640
build because the frontage requirements

618
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,399
are different in a halfacre zone and

619
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:46,880
they're in an acre zone. Is that explain

620
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,840
that right?

621
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,240
>> Yes.

622
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,840
>> So that is part of the reason

623
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,919
application is are those that's part of

624
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:53,440
the

625
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,279
uh and the uh

626
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,159
blue is being

627
00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:02,480
>> so under under current zoning for what's

628
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,039
there right now for all the property and

629
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,559
then you're picking up the Christensson

630
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,799
property. Yeah, that's roughly 70 homes

631
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,399
could be built in there right now

632
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:14,320
without any zoning changes

633
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,520
>> probably without

634
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,080
>> and how many houses are on here total

635
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,080
residences

636
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,240
>> 129

637
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,120
>> is that

638
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,960
>> and the residential portion is 26.06 Six

639
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,120
acres currently show.

640
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,320
>> So was the 20 was the 27 based on an

641
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,640
acre one acre lot?

642
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,760
>> Is that what you were?

643
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,669
>> Yeah.

644
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:43,760
» Could already be there versus what we're

645
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,840
asking to increase.

646
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,870
>> It's a good [clears throat]

647
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,679
» So the T's the smaller the sixlexes

648
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:54,960
there that are shown and then there's

649
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,559
some other smaller units. Those are the

650
00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:02,000
town homes. developer. Um, we we we have

651
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,760
direction from Stuart that main road up

652
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,279
the middle. We got to fix that. He

653
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,440
doesn't really like that. But

654
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,799
>> yeah, I think it I you I'd rather open

655
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,399
space or spots buildable area, but it

656
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:16,799
would roads and I think you only need

657
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,720
I'm hoping you only need one road going.

658
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,600
>> Well, will DOT even allow it since it's

659
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,279
a state road and you only can get so

660
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,360
many openings?

661
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,679
>> Well, because that that kind of Because

662
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:29,600
when I saw this, that kind of reminds me

663
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,399
of that Smith's property in West Point.

664
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:32,799
>> Yeah.

665
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,919
>> And the housing, it it's messy right

666
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:36,480
there.

667
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,000
>> So, we're collision.

668
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,360
>> We're going to work to try to clean that

669
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,159
up. So, we we'd like your We're They've

670
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:44,000
got a lot of work to do on the side.

671
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:44,720
Okay.

672
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,399
>> I know the engineer who did that

673
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:49,086
shopping center. He was younger then.

674
00:30:49,086 --> 00:30:50,399
[laughter]

675
00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:52,559
>> He's not talking the shopping center.

676
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,440
residential

677
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,080
weird collision of roads and

678
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,559
>> it's yeah

679
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:02,159
>> we can work on that uh

680
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:04,159
>> behind those the multif family the

681
00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:05,440
center you're referring to that's where

682
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,640
the potential is

683
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,240
>> so we're struggling a little bit with

684
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,000
the lift station [clears throat]

685
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,640
not only paying for it but locating it I

686
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,320
don't know

687
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,399
>> yeah and it's probably I should have

688
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:18,240
brought a laser

689
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,919
but uh what has been discussed

690
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:24,480
originally started to kind of be in

691
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,120
about this area here. In fact,

692
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,120
>> I want to see Yeah, it's like right in

693
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,159
here.

694
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:32,399
>> It really doesn't fit there is the

695
00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:35,679
problem. In working with the grocery,

696
00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:37,679
there's been some interest of possibly

697
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:39,679
cornering it here. We don't want

698
00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:41,679
obviously to be an obstruction through

699
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:45,200
this, but the thought was what could be

700
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,039
a pad. Maybe it's a place for a

701
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,200
structure. We also talked about putting

702
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:55,200
it back in this location. required quite an expense in additional

703
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,200
infrastructure as well as the wet finger

704
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,000
and there was just some concern.

705
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,960
>> From a from a maintenance perspective,

706
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,360
it'll be it would potentially cause a

707
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,799
maintenance nightmare to have it in the

708
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,720
corner of the parking lot if we need to

709
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,960
get in there quickly with a back truck

710
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,519
and it's blocked off by cars that are in

711
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,120
there.

712
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,960
Sounds like from experience

713
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,640
>> it might cause some headaches to get

714
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,159
into a lift station in the corner of a

715
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:23,679
parking lot.

716
00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:24,880
>> Yeah. Then it would redesign the parking

717
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,080
lot, I guess.

718
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,039
>> We cut down some stalls right here and

719
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:30,559
be able to provide access.

720
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:31,760
>> Yeah, that's that would be my main

721
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,480
concern in the busy zone getting in and

722
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,399
out in an emergency. Nothing's worse

723
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:38,880
than having a lift station fire. We

724
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,840
probably circle it with a drivable area

725
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,640
through [snorts]

726
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,640
>> like a like a road around it.

727
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,679
>> But we that's the kind of thing that

728
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:50,880
when we get to that point

729
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,640
the thing I'd like to say makes me a

730
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,919
little bit different is I want to talk

731
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:56,240
to the people who maintain it and make

732
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,440
sure that we are addressing those

733
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,000
concerns.

734
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,200
>> So those are that's an issue that's side

735
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,120
plan issue

736
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,200
particular area. Thanks.

737
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,039
>> So this one just kind of focuses a

738
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,039
little bit more on the commercial and we

739
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:10,559
did try to provide a little bit of

740
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:13,279
information about half of it is the

741
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,240
commercial shopping center the 22 acres

742
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,760
and just kind of showing some of the

743
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,320
information.

744
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,720
>> Can you cut down the store to 100,000?

745
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120
>> Yeah, 124 you'd get you're very

746
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,600
observant there. It's now 100. Do we

747
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,440
have any elevations?

748
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,640
>> Yeah, there there's one. And then I know

749
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,279
we're doing this in Eagle Mountain. This

750
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:36,768
is not a typical Smith store,

751
00:33:36,768 --> 00:33:37,360
[clears throat]

752
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,080
but it has more of a rural feel to it.

753
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,399
>> And it's got the barn doors and it's got

754
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:44,159
some things that are kind of more

755
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:46,240
untypical to Smith.

756
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,480
>> So, we we've made the store a little

757
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,559
smaller. We've heard, you know, some

758
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,600
thoughts about that. And we've uh tried

759
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,919
to make it more

760
00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:57,440
rural.

761
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,720
>> What What are they pulling out?

762
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,320
Clothing. What are they What comes out

763
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,230
of that?

764
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,440
That's the only reason I want to go

765
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,440
there.

766
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,710
>> I shop at West Point.

767
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:17,109
» We're not done with

768
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,280
» that's good input. I want to

769
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,760
>> take out the take out the cheese

770
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,879
station.

771
00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:23,679
>> The cheese.

772
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:24,879
>> I agree with that.

773
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:27,203
>> We don't need

774
00:34:27,203 --> 00:34:27,679
[laughter]

775
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,079
>> plenty of cheese.

776
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,240
>> Keep going. What's Oh, this is fuel. the

777
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:33,760
fuel center and just to kind of give you

778
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,159
an idea of what is [clears throat] a

779
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,280
standard package fuel.

780
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,320
>> How many pads? How many pads this

781
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,079
representative actual size?

782
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:43,760
>> Yeah, this is what we refer to as a

783
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,320
seven MPD or a seven multi-product

784
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,079
dispenser. Uh there it ends up with 14

785
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:51,679
fueling station

786
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:52,240
>> 14

787
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:55,040
>> seven seven lanes 14

788
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,000
>> 14.

789
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,160
>> The back seven stations would have

790
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,560
diesel and then the forward seven

791
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,680
stations would regular and there hasn't

792
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,280
been a determination of whether they

793
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,720
only go E here. Most of the places that

794
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,320
were now most of the fuel centers that

795
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,480
we're building in Utah to compete

796
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,320
against Maverick, they have made the

797
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,640
decision to also have E.

798
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,160
>> Yeah.

799
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,880
>> And that just means that there's

800
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,520
three or two hoses basically in the

801
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:32,550
front seven become they just have a blue

802
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,240
This is a depiction again uh it's the

803
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,599
elevation that was provided for the

804
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,160
Smith again we were seeking input we

805
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,640
have reheard you know would you would

806
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,240
Smith be opposed with wagon wheels and a

807
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,800
hitching rail and and I took that back

808
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,079
to them and they said this store that

809
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:53,440
we're doing in Eagle Mountain and the

810
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,599
only other places of fries in Gilbert

811
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,520
Arizona are [clears throat] the two

812
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,480
places where use this elevation. They just said, "Why don't you show them

813
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,680
this and then see if you can give us

814
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,280
some additional feedback on what they

815
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,599
might like?" And then these uh pad

816
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,920
elevations are really just drawing from

817
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,920
the materials.

818
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,680
Every one of those materials up on the

819
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,200
materials legend, it just says color

820
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,760
match the grocery anchor. And I just

821
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,240
covered that up because at this stage we

822
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,200
just asked to not indicate who the

823
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,680
grocery is until they got more of a

824
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,560
commitment to what

825
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,560
they are in front of this.

826
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,950
>> Yeah.

827
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,720
» And then this just kind of focuses on

828
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:44,160
the residential portion. The town homes

829
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,720
of course are the T units. Those are

830
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,079
currently drawn at 30 feet wide across

831
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,520
the front and 50 ft deep. A real town

832
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,599
home, if Stuart, he he's going to turn

833
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,720
to me and say [cough] too big.

834
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,520
>> They're really 26 by 46 or something

835
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,160
along that line. It's just easier at

836
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,480
this stage to draw the the 30 by 50. And

837
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,880
then we'll dial that in. It allows us to

838
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,200
kind of get a little tighter as we learn

839
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,920
more information. The type that are

840
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,160
shown up the left side there. Those are

841
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,920
they have 100 foot fronts on them. So

842
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,599
they easily accommodate a home with a

843
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,880
threecar garage and then they are 150 ft

844
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,560
deep. So that makes them pretty much

845
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,839
exactly 15,000 square ft. The homes

846
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:31,920
along the top are also the same way.

847
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,720
>> They wrap the third acres around the top

848
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,680
of the toition to the other

849
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,520
>> just the way it like those were half

850
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,720
acres before

851
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,560
>> and if you remember that first slide.

852
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,280
>> So we need we need some direction there.

853
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,280
as to whether that's even we don't want

854
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,160
to bring something in next month if that

855
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,720
isn't possible. Okay. So that's probably

856
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,800
something we need to hear from

857
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,589
>> where the tag 20s

858
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,280
previous halfacres across

859
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,599
>> originally a band was provided to show

860
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,280
that there were going to be halfacre

861
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,960
lots. It when we really got dialing into

862
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,240
it, it just kind of didn't make sense to

863
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:13,920
put

864
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,760
about a halfacre lot and the size of

865
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,520
home that goes on a halfacre lot that's

866
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,160
a million dollar home and does a million

867
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,680
dollar home want to look across the

868
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,760
street at some smaller cluster cottages

869
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,240
and so forth. So when we really got into

870
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,246
what could fit on the property

871
00:38:28,246 --> 00:38:29,760
[clears throat] it just kind of didn't

872
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,599
make sense but we did want to

873
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:34,800
acknowledge we tried and that's the

874
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,960
reason why they're not shown. Those 15s

875
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,920
along the top used to be the half acres

876
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,160
and when we really kind of like I say

877
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,240
got into it just

878
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,200
really nice lots are by 150. That's a

879
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,640
really good lot.

880
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,480
>> I I don't see

881
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,079
>> I mean we talked about that kind of that

882
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:55,599
flex zone at the bottom. I don't see a

883
00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:00,000
park. I don't see any green space at all

884
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,119
in that if the flex if the commercial

885
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:06,400
down at the bottom became the flex space

886
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,800
we would need to have and really we need

887
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,640
to work with Stuart on the value of the

888
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,599
property because if there's a price

889
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,440
point where underground detention

890
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,960
becomes affordable or it makes sense and

891
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,000
if the [clears throat] value the square

892
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,960
foot value of the ground and so forth

893
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,359
gets to that point then there's a

894
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:27,520
justification to go underground but if

895
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,160
not then you want to use the open ground

896
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,960
and that where the commercial is could

897
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,920
be multiuse and I would agree with you

898
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,359
that there we we know that's needed but

899
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:42,640
we just wanted to give some direction

900
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,760
So the location the location of that

901
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,440
hasn't as functionality as far as the

902
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,119
flow of water but

903
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,160
>> where that commercial part that part is

904
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,320
that that is detention based and that

905
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,079
can actually be a park

906
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:02,560
>> could be could be multi-use and it's just an opinion but I don't think

907
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,240
that's the right place for a park.

908
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:05,359
>> Yeah. So that's what

909
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,520
>> out against the road against

910
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,640
>> with the commercial.

911
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,427
>> Yeah.

912
00:40:10,427 --> 00:40:11,040
[clears throat]

913
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,359
That's good. We're hearing that input.

914
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:16,320
That was one of the questions I had. So,

915
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:16,960
you brought it up.

916
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,280
>> The smaller lots with the C's on them,

917
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,640
we would just refer to those as

918
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,320
cottages. They would just have a small

919
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,880
single family home on them. And then the

920
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,359
CC's are what's referred to as clustered

921
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:29,680
cottages. And you can see that they

922
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,240
would share a drive aisle basically to

923
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,320
get to those units. Now, the smallest

924
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,720
unit here that's shown is a tenth of an

925
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,240
acre. And that's 4,356

926
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:44,400
ft. There is a reference to a

927
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,119
development up between Far West and

928
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,280
Plane City. It's actually developed in

929
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,800
Weaver County. And that development by

930
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,800
Nelson Homes has been referred to a lot

931
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,440
both by people from the city and others

932
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,960
as maybe something that might work here.

933
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,960
And so we looked really closely at that

934
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,880
development. We hold the design

935
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,520
standards a lot of information and have

936
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,720
really geared this toward that concept.

937
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,040
Now, as we present it, it'll be an

938
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,359
opportunity to say, I don't want you to

939
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:17,200
have to hold your nose to accept it.

940
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,319
It's just is that or not? And if it's

941
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:22,480
not, then we'll look at it. What I

942
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,359
wanted to point out though is the lots

943
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:26,960
in the development to the north that I

944
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,319
referred to, they're 06 and 07 acres.

945
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:35,440
So, would be a little bit larger but not

946
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,640
a lot.

947
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,200
>> And I pointed out the smallest lot in

948
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,040
that aggregated area

949
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,000
>> in the in the cluster cottages. How wide

950
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,400
is that drive? And I'm assuming they're

951
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,560
going to have garages like single car

952
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,480
garage facing each other.

953
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,280
>> They would Yes. The the driveway or

954
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200
referred to a lot a lot in these type

955
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,440
developments as an alley and the

956
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,839
driveway would then offload from that

957
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:00,960
driveway.

958
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,359
>> How wide is that? The driveway is 20T

959
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:07,920
>> is 20T

960
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,880
size of the roads out west. My road

961
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,040
truck my road's 21 ft wide.

962
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,240
>> You're not getting your truck in that

963
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,920
garage.

964
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,680
>> Oh yeah.

965
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,680
I think that's a [clears throat] lot of the problem is your their garages

966
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,560
aren't very long and the driveways only.

967
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,720
>> So I know in the Weaver County reference

968
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,560
the JDC ranch is referring to Wever

969
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,880
County made them say you have to have so

970
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,119
much of a driveway. So someone has a

971
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:34,560
Toyota Tundra, it's not sticking out the

972
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,440
back.

973
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,720
>> Basically, you have to seat the house

974
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,960
back far enough on the lot to allow for

975
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,480
so much driveway space.

976
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,680
>> So that way you can actually fit

977
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,400
something there

978
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,480
>> without it sticking into the 24.

979
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,760
>> I noticed that at JBC.

980
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,319
>> Yeah.

981
00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:48,160
>> If you can kind of envision those lots,

982
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,560
the idea is for those the home would

983
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,560
face towards the driveway.

984
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,520
>> And the idea is that 10 [clears throat]

985
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,680
ft of the front yard would be taken up

986
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,079
by the driveway. Now, in a lot of these

987
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,920
design standards that we looked at, they

988
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,800
have 25 foot setbacks. So, there is a

989
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,200
little bit of a 15 foot front yard. Now,

990
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,280
that could be adjusted a little bit.

991
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,240
They also have like a 30 foot backyard.

992
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,319
Now, if the home were able to be shifted

993
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,560
back, say 25 ft, they can put five more

994
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,000
feet in the garage.

995
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,480
>> So, again, that's kind of the feedback

996
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,839
again that we're looking for. And if we want to accommodate whether

997
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:29,520
they're Silverados or King

998
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,920
I I don't want to take sides. So,

999
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,839
>> well, I I think what ends up happening

1000
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:35,520
with those smaller shallower garages,

1001
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,920
they end up just becoming storage sheds

1002
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,960
and you've got cars spread everywhere

1003
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,280
trying to find places to park.

1004
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,040
>> So, that's another that's another thing

1005
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,855
we'll work on. And we're ways we're long ways away from a cycle,

1006
00:43:49,855 --> 00:43:50,480
[cough and clears throat]

1007
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,400
but we don't want we're trying to give

1008
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,000
you I think we're trying to but you got

1009
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,160
to have something

1010
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,119
on.

1011
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,800
>> So, we're trying to be uh little as

1012
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,800
transparent as we can to say this is

1013
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,280
what the zone may do. And then if we did

1014
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,079
it, you're saying I hear the open space

1015
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:14,560
and I hear the uh I hear some comments

1016
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,560
about making sure the garages are

1017
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,480
functional. That's the turning radius.

1018
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,040
>> I thought back I thought back in the

1019
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,440
early stages we talked about all these

1020
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,680
around here and then having a park or a

1021
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,599
>> green space.

1022
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:35,040
>> That's where it should be

1023
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,200
>> somewhere here. So all these people had

1024
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,680
somewhere to do whatever from here and

1025
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,280
from here that would mean maybe you put

1026
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,640
another cluster of T's down here.

1027
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,680
>> Yeah, I would almost

1028
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,400
>> take away

1029
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,160
even if you shifted this tri as far as

1030
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,599
getting the right amount of units. Even

1031
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,000
if you shifted this cluster to here and

1032
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,560
have green space here in the center. So

1033
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,000
definitely a far more functional

1034
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,359
>> you may get on the back.

1035
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:05,839
>> Are you are you saying you got to have

1036
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:08,079
129 doors to make this work? Is that

1037
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:09,359
what

1038
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:10,319
>> or is that just

1039
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:11,680
>> that's a steward?

1040
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,680
>> No, we're we're saying we're trying to

1041
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,319
make it work the way the city wants it.

1042
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:18,079
>> Okay. And it has to work for both of us.

1043
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:18,480
>> Yeah.

1044
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,680
>> Has to make sense for you and has to

1045
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,640
make sense for us.

1046
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,200
>> So

1047
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,880
>> now this shows an aerial view of the JDC

1048
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,560
and I really kind of put this in here to

1049
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,040
so you can see that those blue rooftops

1050
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,760
are town homes and over on the left side

1051
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,000
are kind of the cluster developments.

1052
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,760
They have shared driveways. You can kind

1053
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
of see there's four cluster, six

1054
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,720
cluster. The plan that we saw before had

1055
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,200
an eight cluster, eight unit cluster.

1056
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,520
>> You're talking the ones in the bottom

1057
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,880
here in the gray.

1058
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,240
>> Yeah, gray. [clears throat] And then as

1059
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,119
you go up,

1060
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:56,319
>> so just south of the bottom side is a

1061
00:45:56,319 --> 00:45:58,880
sports and we'll just call it their open

1062
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,800
space might be as big as our entire

1063
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,400
residential project. I'm over

1064
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,079
exaggerating there. So, so our our our

1065
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:07,406
scale is going to be quite a bit

1066
00:46:07,406 --> 00:46:11,270
[clears throat] different.

1067
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,240
These are what I call

1068
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,079
>> where these ones over here are six

1069
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:17,599
clustered units and you can kind of see

1070
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,040
there's that

1071
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,960
>> and then just to north is a standalone

1072
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,520
single that other section single family

1073
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,599
standalone. Correct.

1074
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:26,960
>> That that'd be your C's.

1075
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,200
>> Pretty cute in that they rather than

1076
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,040
coming off of a cluster drive, they just

1077
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,280
front right up to the drive. I

1078
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,880
>> mean, I do like the concept of putting

1079
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,839
green space closer to the TE's because

1080
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:39,280
those are the families that use it the

1081
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,400
most because they don't have their own

1082
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,560
yards. The people in the seas, they're

1083
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,000
just going to enjoy their own backyard.

1084
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Well, and this like

1085
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,920
>> they are pretty big.

1086
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,920
>> We we've also got to remember like green

1087
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,480
space here isn't going to be just for

1088
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,400
these homes cuz like so believe it or

1089
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,440
not, we're going to have a freeway

1090
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,680
that's going to cut up in half.

1091
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,880
>> Everything east of there, there's one park and that road's going

1092
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,599
to wipe it out. It's that little tiny

1093
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:04,240
>> place. That's it.

1094
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,640
>> West Haven has one on 4700, but there's

1095
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,440
nothing else east in Humper that

1096
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,040
resembles green space.

1097
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,480
>> Correct.

1098
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,960
One one thing that makes our ability to

1099
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,720
match GDC is the size of the GDC versus

1100
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,880
the size of this property and it's

1101
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,680
really important just to recognize scale

1102
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,662
is one of the reasons why it's just

1103
00:47:26,662 --> 00:47:28,160
[clears throat] the size of the park

1104
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,400
shown there. This is just kind of a mix.

1105
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,640
You can kind of see the these would be

1106
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,319
the cluster units. You can kind of see

1107
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,480
there's the shared driveway and then

1108
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,800
here's like the back of town homes. And

1109
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,839
we don't have anything this tight on the

1110
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:47,119
plan. But again, if we looked at uh, you

1111
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:48,880
know, opening up some green space and

1112
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,240
that kind of thing, we might have to get

1113
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,119
a little bit tighter, which it's really

1114
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:56,160
just kind of again, we're here for some

1115
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,000
feedback so that we can kind of go back

1116
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:58,880
to

1117
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,440
>> But I I think I think we I think we need

1118
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,599
some green play with more green space in

1119
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:06,319
the plan. And whether that means a

1120
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:08,880
little little more density and and some

1121
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,720
of the other areas. I don't know. But

1122
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,640
let's let us go to work to try to find

1123
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,680
that.

1124
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,839
>> This is just a picture that was on the

1125
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:16,720
website.

1126
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,560
>> It's not the coolest town homes I've

1127
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,359
ever put a picture up, but you can kind

1128
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:23,200
of see with the grass and stuff. This is

1129
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,870
really just

1130
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,640
And that's why I thought this was kind

1131
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,800
of a valuable picture.

1132
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,720
>> I apologize it's grainy. It was a much

1133
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,440
larger picture on the website, but it

1134
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,079
really just kind of

1135
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:39,680
feel like walking around this

1136
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,280
neighborhood. What would it look like

1137
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,520
driving through? That's more what the

1138
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:44,559
intent.

1139
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,228
>> So, it's actually really

1140
00:48:47,228 --> 00:48:48,240
[clears throat] It's actually really

1141
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,359
cool because they mentioned So, these

1142
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:53,760
houses, they share the driveway, their

1143
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,079
front front doors to the drive their

1144
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:57,920
front doors here. There's like I said,

1145
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,559
it's walkable. There's sidewalks

1146
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,400
everywhere. I mean, you can get here

1147
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,119
over here all on sidewalks.

1148
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:06,240
there's a sidewalk.

1149
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:07,760
>> It's more community friendly because

1150
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,200
they're facing their neighbors and they

1151
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,839
just pull into their

1152
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,760
>> back doors [clears throat]

1153
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,440
>> which really does help the community.

1154
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,240
>> Yeah.

1155
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,240
>> If they're backed like these ones that

1156
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:17,920
are shown, usually what there is is

1157
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,040
there's about 15 ft in length that may

1158
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,960
not accommodate the tund and stuff we

1159
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,559
talked about, but the idea is to provide

1160
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,149
>> those square boxes on the side.

1161
00:49:29,149 --> 00:49:30,880
[clears throat]

1162
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,520
But if it's say it's a 20 foot setback,

1163
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,640
that gives you essentially parking stall

1164
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,319
to have in the driveway for parking. So

1165
00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:42,240
on the street now, if I have a family

1166
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:45,990
party, sure.

1167
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,680
» And this one's kind of I just thought

1168
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,359
this was more finished and it just was

1169
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:53,520
quite pretty. But you can see there's

1170
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,839
the alley driveway and then here's the

1171
00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:57,839
sidewalk so that I can go out the front

1172
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:01,670
door and walk up to

1173
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,910
causes interactivision

1174
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,800
in west of

1175
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,480
>> hill farms hill farms like that one's a

1176
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,040
really welldesigned community friendly

1177
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:20,069
density

1178
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,319
» it's a great community and it worked

1179
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:24,160
honestly the biggest challenge I see

1180
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,720
with those little guys

1181
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:27,839
>> ility similar to that I would love to

1182
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:28,640
see

1183
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,640
>> would Would you make those those six

1184
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,640
packs? Would you say those are private

1185
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,400
road going in or private drive? So the

1186
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,400
city's not maintaining those.

1187
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,599
>> Yes.

1188
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:39,599
>> Yeah. So one of the things that we run

1189
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,960
into with JDC is the utilities. So like

1190
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,000
you just got to make sure on the plat

1191
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,920
it's written well that they can have

1192
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,359
access and then making sure there's like

1193
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:49,760
a full-on manhole in the back so that

1194
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,280
you can clean it a lot easier.

1195
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,040
>> Yeah. Nothing wants anything in

1196
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,280
>> Yeah. We can avoid possible for

1197
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,520
maintenance situations. Well, those are

1198
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,200
some of the things that we

1199
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,359
>> and then storm water. We've had them

1200
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:04,000
where they where they slope back down to

1201
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,079
the the city road or county road and

1202
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:07,280
then everything just kind of flows

1203
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,200
across the sidewalk. So, that's kind of

1204
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,960
something we've tried to say, well, is

1205
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,559
there a better way to do it? What JDC's

1206
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,800
end up doing is trying to go slope away

1207
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,160
and they have just a stone rain box in

1208
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,800
the back they time to. The other thing

1209
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,920
JDC's done a really good job at cuz I

1210
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920
imagine have to you know build stuff

1211
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,200
bring in fill and things like that just

1212
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,520
to get storm ra stuff to work is they

1213
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,720
put um yard drain boxes along all these

1214
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:33,359
smaller lots. That way when you build up

1215
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:35,520
the house and you go to landscape

1216
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,280
there's not just these holes and water

1217
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,520
just finds it. put all these yarn drain

1218
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,920
boxes in between these especially next

1219
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,480
to these bigger lots in the fields

1220
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,079
>> everything everything will drain to then

1221
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,920
>> so that's something to think about

1222
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,839
>> in my younger days I worked as the

1223
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:54,319
assistant to the Roy city engineer

1224
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:56,800
>> so I I I'm not trying to say that

1225
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,720
Hooker's like Roy I'm just saying I

1226
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,839
>> think you just said it [laughter]

1227
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:05,680
>> Troy

1228
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,720
that's not what I said

1229
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,720
>> you're doing so wellro

1230
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:09,760
We're going to have to we're going to

1231
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,440
have to have another for all like the

1232
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,040
basement.

1233
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,480
>> Just just let me finish.

1234
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,559
>> All I was trying to say is every one of

1235
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:18,480
those I've been in a lot of people's

1236
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,200
backyards up there and they're asking

1237
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,440
why is my swing set in the squishy

1238
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:23,920
ground.

1239
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,319
>> Yeah.

1240
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:26,240
>> And why when I kids play on the swing

1241
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:27,839
set can [clears throat] they not play on

1242
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:29,599
the swing set because it squishes in the

1243
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,160
ground. And there's a need for that

1244
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,599
drainage that you're just talking about

1245
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,559
there. And I just I don't want to be the

1246
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:38,079
guy that gets those calls and I don't

1247
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,920
want anybody.

1248
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,150
>> Yeah, that's

1249
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,800
» that's the keep giving us more that it's

1250
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,680
really helpful.

1251
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,280
>> I got a few things that we could use

1252
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,319
some input on as we work with Troy to

1253
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:54,720
build this out. So, just to give you

1254
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,599
guys a heads up, this is coming pretty

1255
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,119
quick as you probably noticed in the

1256
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:00,400
packet. Might have been a little bit of

1257
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,920
a shocker, but we're trying to get this

1258
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,440
moving. We've been talking about it for

1259
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,520
a long We'd like to get it through here.

1260
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:06,559
So,

1261
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:07,839
>> yeah, we'd like to get some action

1262
00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:10,240
moving on it. Um, the process we're

1263
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:11,599
looking at, and you guys can we'll talk

1264
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:12,880
with Nick a little bit when we have

1265
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,960
time, but we need to get a resone, a

1266
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,160
general plan amendment. The DA that was

1267
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,760
proposed contemplates an ordinance

1268
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,599
update that would probably be done

1269
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,839
simultaneously to ensure that our

1270
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:25,440
community zone accommodates the

1271
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,480
residential you talked about. Then that

1272
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,640
would be one that would be one phase. I

1273
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,319
would say that would be a resone. Then

1274
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:34,240
we need to go through After that

1275
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,559
there'll be some binder grain or

1276
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:40,319
engineering but final plat approval. But

1277
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:41,760
the essence of this is we need to get

1278
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,240
the general product layout and the look

1279
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,240
and what we're going to get out of this

1280
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,040
down as part of our reszone and we can

1281
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,040
work through some of the engineering

1282
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,680
things of that nature for

1283
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,000
any questions about actual approval

1284
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,079
process how it will look as we navigate

1285
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,880
it. Not so much the approval process,

1286
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,720
but I do. So, when you're setting all

1287
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,800
this up, are you planning on setting

1288
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,640
some of this up as a PUB or is this

1289
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,280
going to be HOA? How's all that all the

1290
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,640
little lawns and everything going to get

1291
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,680
or take individual owners? How are we

1292
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,520
what's it look like?

1293
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,599
>> It'll be it'll be common area because it

1294
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,160
has to be common area.

1295
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,160
>> It'll either be some type of but HOA one

1296
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,040
or two and depending on how we get it

1297
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,839
done, but they'll be maintenance common

1298
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:32,400
ownership there'll be a fee that they'll

1299
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,800
be assessed and maintained and then

1300
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,440
they'll be will be common you have to in

1301
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,480
this type of project

1302
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,880
>> and then at what point or is it even our

1303
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,880
in our wheelhouse like talking about

1304
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,640
things like deed restrictions where hey

1305
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,720
that's got to be owner occupied for x

1306
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,559
amount of years so it doesn't turn into

1307
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,400
rentals

1308
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,280
>> because I I like I'm not interested in

1309
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,720
130 rental properties

1310
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,119
>> agreed so JDC Ranch they did that in

1311
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:58,240
their agreement. There's something

1312
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:00,000
written in there that talks about owner

1313
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,359
occupied for

1314
00:55:01,359 --> 00:55:04,800
>> 10 years so many years like that. Yeah.

1315
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,119
>> Was there anything on there? You said

1316
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:10,400
cottages, but does that include like

1317
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,280
>> patio homes?

1318
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,319
>> Homes?

1319
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:14,160
>> We had talked about patio home

1320
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,599
>> there. That [clears throat] could be a

1321
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:17,359
product. Patio is kind of more of a

1322
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:18,720
single level unit.

1323
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,040
>> And the the common thing that seems to

1324
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,839
be more popular now is is particularly

1325
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:25,520
all the good grounds gone. So I can't

1326
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,359
build a basement in the ground. I just

1327
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:29,520
put the basement on the second level,

1328
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,520
but a single family.

1329
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,559
>> Have you looked at the one we have over

1330
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:39,040
here just by the culinary water?

1331
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:39,839
>> I have.

1332
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:41,200
>> He's seen it.

1333
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,119
>> And then where mom's at and Wilkies are

1334
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:47,680
at right the old Sodbuster turf farm.

1335
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,680
Have you been over there and seen that

1336
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,440
in North?

1337
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,880
>> I could we could drive

1338
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,520
>> just east of White Barn.

1339
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,359
>> Okay. on the ground.

1340
00:55:57,359 --> 00:55:57,839
>> Yeah,

1341
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:00,240
>> I haven't seen

1342
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,280
>> I mean they're they're fairly nice homes

1343
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,520
for I mean they have most of them have

1344
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,359
bonus room over the garage and mom's is

1345
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:11,440
twobedroom

1346
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,480
with living and dining and everything

1347
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,119
else. So I think something like that

1348
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:20,559
would work a patio home. Okay, we could

1349
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:21,520
certainly

1350
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,760
>> So, Malcolm, question on that general

1351
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,839
plan amendment. We're currently going

1352
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:27,520
through the process of a of like

1353
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,760
reviewing our general plan anyway. Will

1354
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,280
we So, we'll just basically do an

1355
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,799
amendment to the current general plan

1356
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:34,799
and then that'll be in direct

1357
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:36,160
consideration for the review that

1358
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,000
they're that they're working on anyway.

1359
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,440
>> We have to do we have to

1360
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,799
>> Yeah, this amendment would come before

1361
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:41,520
our

1362
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,119
>> That's what I thought because we're 10

1363
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,680
months out on the review major amendment

1364
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,440
>> of our general plan update. So, we need

1365
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,559
to

1366
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,119
>> be nice if the changes we make are

1367
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:53,200
comfortable with even you know I mean

1368
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,960
there will be changes and there will be

1369
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,319
things in the development agreement that

1370
00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:58,240
are particular to them but be nice if

1371
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:00,799
the changes to our ordinance are ones

1372
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:02,000
that we're comfortable with just

1373
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,079
maintaining changes so we don't have a

1374
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,160
lot of redundancy very a lot of change

1375
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:06,559
but

1376
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:08,480
>> okay I that's what I figured was

1377
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,119
happening

1378
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:12,319
>> so I understand that though uh as we

1379
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:14,640
come in for the reszone you could do the

1380
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,880
rezone and the general plan amendment

1381
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,400
together

1382
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,440
So they you know so okay just want to

1383
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,760
make sure at the same time

1384
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,680
>> all of the general plan or just the

1385
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,520
commercial

1386
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:28,480
portion

1387
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,280
>> there and then it would be

1388
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,680
portion and that would really probably

1389
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,200
be it. I think the commercials probably

1390
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,520
facilitated. It's just not

1391
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,920
>> it's probably contemplated enough. We

1392
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,280
don't need to amend anything but we just

1393
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,720
need some standards that they're helping

1394
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,799
us with through this agreement.

1395
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:49,760
>> So we really standards for our C2 zone.

1396
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,839
We have the zone. We want it. It's in

1397
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:53,920
our general plan.

1398
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,440
Good. Doesn't need to. It's really just

1399
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,559
a P zone that hasn't been in place.

1400
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:01,760
Needs an amendment.

1401
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,680
>> We hope to do that in the development

1402
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:04,160
agreement.

1403
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,559
>> I would make you then you can make your

1404
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:07,119
ordinance.

1405
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:08,640
>> I would make a subtle comment. I'm not

1406
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,880
trying to split. I think I'm confident

1407
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,920
the general plan contemplated C1 here.

1408
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,760
It's just not a reality. It's going to

1409
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,400
be we're looking

1410
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,400
where that is. I think that we thought

1411
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,079
we'd have limited residential, you know,

1412
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,000
retail sales throughout, but we're going

1413
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,000
to have a larger scale development like

1414
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,920
this. There's never been any interest so

1415
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,799
far. No one's come to me with a small

1416
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:35,359
mom or pop shop yet. This is what's

1417
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:37,760
going to come near 515.

1418
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,280
>> Well, I think that would be the other

1419
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,880
major. I guess maybe we would be

1420
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,640
clarifying with the reason that this is

1421
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,319
getting this is going from a commercial

1422
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:47,520
to officially a C2 zone.

1423
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,079
>> I think part of that though Stuart

1424
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:53,119
talked about is everything's online now

1425
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,839
so it's hard to get a brick and mortar.

1426
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:58,240
>> I think our general plan will identify

1427
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,559
areas where those will happen at 55 and

1428
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,880
55 some things like that. have some nice

1429
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,760
areas where we have more local sales.

1430
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:06,000
But

1431
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,760
>> well, you can you can still get them on

1432
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,440
like I know a lot of people, you know,

1433
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,119
they're voice and they want like a small

1434
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,520
mom and pop restaurant. So something

1435
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,680
still has to draw them to that.

1436
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,559
>> Yeah, we'd be open to that. U we have in

1437
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,200
one of our projects a a pizza shop, Se

1438
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,280
Brothers Pizza. I think they're the best

1439
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,000
pizzas in Utah, but they only have two

1440
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,680
locations.

1441
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,960
But uh they it's really they really make

1442
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,760
great People

1443
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,680
love them. But you got problem is they

1444
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,280
aren't Little Caesars and nobody knows

1445
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,319
their name

1446
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:40,799
>> and they just don't. So if you ever go

1447
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:43,839
to the Lake Parkway exit, go in and get

1448
00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:46,160
a either their accommodation or their

1449
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,319
barbecue chicken and you'll go back and

1450
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:51,040
get back again. But but those type of

1451
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,799
small shops, I love them.

1452
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:54,400
>> But but it's [clears throat] hard for

1453
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,079
them to make money too. So they they got to

1454
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,319
>> but they got to be tied to the anchor

1455
01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:02,960
because tied to a Smith or to a grocery

1456
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,480
store, they just go out of business.

1457
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,480
They just don't have the ability to

1458
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,280
advertise and stay in business.

1459
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,400
>> Could you guys look at

1460
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:23,349
152 in the DA2?

1461
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:25,520
» So, these are design guideline elements.

1462
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,559
This is where we're at with uh Troy and

1463
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:31,839
the AWA group is we're gonna he's kind

1464
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:33,440
of recommended some design elements.

1465
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,799
We're going to solidify that list and

1466
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:37,040
he's going to help procure that. Troy is

1467
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,440
speaking if I'm over commenting here,

1468
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,799
but as we get some of those put

1469
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:41,920
together, these are things you guys

1470
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,760
could anticipate seeing to help you make

1471
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,280
your reason.

1472
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,799
>> I think the fine distinction area where

1473
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:48,240
we want to be reasonable is we're going

1474
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,720
to try and put any reasonable items that

1475
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,040
we can at the plat approval level. We

1476
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,599
don't want them incur an unreasonable

1477
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,200
amount of costs, but we need to be able

1478
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,880
to see and feel how this development

1479
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,079
looks enough that you guys can

1480
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:01,599
comfortably

1481
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,520
any other items besides what's listed

1482
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:04,960
there. There I have a couple in mind,

1483
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,280
but they might come with the plat. So

1484
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,880
anyway, go ahead planning commission and

1485
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,640
Troy if what things will come and what

1486
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,160
you really feel like you need to see to

1487
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,440
comfortably recommend this one way or

1488
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,760
the other.

1489
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,920
So we we have this is a copy of the JBC

1490
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,880
Ranch design guidelines and there are

1491
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,680
more products listed in here than we can

1492
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,160
accommodate. But again with that

1493
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,680
direction we can go back and trim down

1494
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,240
the list and go to the maybe three or

1495
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:39,680
four products that we have and if

1496
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,079
there's an interest in patio homes that

1497
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,720
can be accommodated as well. But really,

1498
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,342
it's very without the zoning, without

1499
01:01:47,342 --> 01:01:48,480
[clears throat] establishing what is the

1500
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,720
minimum lot size, that kind of

1501
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,040
information, it's very difficult to get

1502
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,920
a home builder involved because the hey,

1503
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,920
do you want to buy this land? What can I

1504
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,480
build there? I don't know. So, it

1505
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,480
doesn't see it just doesn't work. So,

1506
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,720
the first step is really just trying to

1507
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,880
establish what does it have to look like

1508
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,480
when it's built, which is the purpose of

1509
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,559
design guidelines, and then what's the

1510
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,240
tolerance for the zoning? And

1511
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,480
essentially that's density and minimum

1512
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,640
lot size and then the type of product

1513
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,000
even if that's something that's of

1514
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,760
interest and then if there's other

1515
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,599
restrictions that need to come that's

1516
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,079
best put in the development. I think

1517
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:25,440
just to kind of stress that as you guys

1518
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,760
are probably really aware we don't have

1519
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,680
great design guidelines. You probably

1520
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,119
look through and notice compared to

1521
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:32,720
maybe Wever County we don't have when

1522
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,440
they're not in place. We uh so things

1523
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,200
you want to see we're going to try and

1524
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,960
depict them through you know elevations

1525
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,280
site plans you're real comfortable with.

1526
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,240
So there anything specific concern about

1527
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,359
added

1528
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:49,040
>> I think lighting is probably a big one

1529
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,559
because we still have a little bit of

1530
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,079
dark sky out here

1531
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:54,880
>> and I think lighting needs to be very

1532
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,880
focused on

1533
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,119
>> so the direction we've received so far

1534
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:02,240
25 foot mounting heights for

1535
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:03,040
>> parking

1536
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,960
>> a lot of times they're higher than that

1537
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,150
>> oh 40 is

1538
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,880
25

1539
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:13,280
But

1540
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,039
>> more posts, more lights, but but that's

1541
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:19,119
the cost of it. But it actually then

1542
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:20,079
doesn't spread.

1543
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:22,880
>> But we will lighting plan.

1544
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,240
>> Yeah. The same type thing. If if there's

1545
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,240
some like, hey, we're good with your

1546
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,799
site plan that, you know, kind of a

1547
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:32,160
thing. And obviously we got to get

1548
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,240
through the process, but we can get a

1549
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,119
phototric plan for that site plan. So

1550
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:39,119
you can see the number of light folds,

1551
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,760
what's the intensity of lighting?

1552
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,280
jurisdictions look for the number of

1553
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,079
lumens per acre foot candles per acre.

1554
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:47,520
However you want to you know whatever

1555
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,720
gives you kind of a feel and maybe it's

1556
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,039
I do happen to have a light meter and if

1557
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:54,799
I need to go to some shopping center and

1558
01:03:54,799 --> 01:03:56,799
say here's what the lighting is or

1559
01:03:56,799 --> 01:03:58,559
because you're familiar with the West

1560
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,720
Point Smith store I can just share that

1561
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,119
photometric plan with you. Now it's

1562
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:04,799
probably a little dimmer the lighting

1563
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:07,039
there because over time the pictures get

1564
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:08,799
dirt and [clears throat] that kind of

1565
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:10,720
thing. So it's not like when the lights

1566
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,559
are brand new. That's what they're

1567
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:14,400
actually set up for on the plans. But I

1568
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:15,200
can share that.

1569
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,880
>> What's What's across the main road from

1570
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,319
that West Point Spitz? Is that

1571
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:19,359
commercial or residential?

1572
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:20,960
>> Residential.

1573
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,319
My concern is the folks on the other

1574
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:25,359
side of 5,500 and the folks on

1575
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:29,520
>> 47 that

1576
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,520
>> there's there's a lot of sophisticated

1577
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,839
lighting right now and we can we can we

1578
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:36,640
can bring in uh those that don't leak,

1579
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,400
you know, and that are actually very

1580
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:38,960
direct

1581
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,280
>> the with the LED lighting that we have

1582
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,160
now. I'm just doing a sim very similar

1583
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,799
shopping center in Draper and we have

1584
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:51,119
similar the city has extremely

1585
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:53,440
be glad they have extremely

1586
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,200
sophisticated lighting standards and a

1587
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,359
lot of different things. They they do

1588
01:04:57,359 --> 01:05:00,079
not allow spill over the property line

1589
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:04,079
>> at all. So, so I can tell you with

1590
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:07,200
confidence the 25 foot light poles

1591
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,740
>> I can get as close as foot

1592
01:05:09,740 --> 01:05:10,960
[clears throat] candle spilling over the

1593
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,000
property.

1594
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,000
>> What we ended up doing on some of those

1595
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,839
perimeter lights is we had to reduce the

1596
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:18,640
height even further than 22 and 1/2 ft

1597
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,039
>> to get that to be zero. Against the

1598
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:23,200
residential there are post and panel

1599
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,680
concrete walls and we actually have to

1600
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,200
model the wall to show that as the light

1601
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,480
comes down it's the wall

1602
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,480
to be able to come up with a model that

1603
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,400
shows that there's not you can see the

1604
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,960
light when you look up but the the light

1605
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,680
coming down is not coming

1606
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:42,880
>> and then things around like noise

1607
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,720
standards that would be more ordinance

1608
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,510
not design

1609
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,039
» and I agree like lighting is one thing

1610
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:52,160
that they're going to get the biggest

1611
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,839
feedback from residents about I grew up

1612
01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:55,839
in late and and we lived across the

1613
01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:57,119
street from where they built the camper

1614
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:58,880
world that's right there off the freeway

1615
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,319
and the biggest complaint that whole

1616
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:03,680
neighborhood had was the lights that place produced.

1617
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,839
>> There's no place. I wonder how they I

1618
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:08,799
can see that all over the town. How they

1619
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:10,240
>> I know. I don't know how we live

1620
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:10,880
literally.

1621
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,119
>> That is not a That is not a commercial

1622
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:15,599
that they snuck that in.

1623
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,640
>> They lit it up like on top.

1624
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:19,520
>> We won't do that.

1625
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,349
>> You guys

1626
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:25,520
two something

1627
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:30,150
on that would be helpful.

1628
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,880
uses prohibited uses going to be allowed

1629
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,720
us. I want to make sure you guys look

1630
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,119
through the table for allowed uses in a

1631
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:39,440
P allowed us in a C2 and make sure

1632
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,880
there's no uses need to clear those up.

1633
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,359
And then also are there any uses you

1634
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:47,520
want to call out you don't want? We

1635
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,039
threw out some examples. It's just

1636
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:59,750
examples. don't need to be prohibitive

1637
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,359
propane tanks and things like that that

1638
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:02,799
you might want place where people can

1639
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:05,280
swap tanks normal things like that.

1640
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,880
>> The only thing they currently do is they

1641
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,880
have a blue Rhino propane tank so you

1642
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,559
can change out little five gallons for

1643
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:12,480
barbecue grill.

1644
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,720
>> They don't do the larger propane set.

1645
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,359
>> That's just and it's just they just have

1646
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:19,920
a cage. You bring the They stick it in

1647
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,680
the cage and give you a full one and the

1648
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,760
guy comes and picks up the

1649
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,359
>> if you were to bring in a small Anyway,

1650
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:28,559
but yeah, just about

1651
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:30,319
loaded in there. I don't know why car

1652
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:33,039
washes would be restricted where they go

1653
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:34,720
in there and take they're in there

1654
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,280
currently with this version.

1655
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,280
That's a big deal.

1656
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,760
>> We So the current commercial uses that

1657
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,640
you have in your very current code, they provide all the uses we're looking

1658
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,119
for. What Malcolm's really

1659
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:50,559
is there's some things in there you

1660
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:52,640
probably don't want. And there are some

1661
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,720
things actually in there that a grocery

1662
01:07:54,720 --> 01:08:00,079
won't want. They won't want um sit down

1663
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:03,680
alcohol sales in their shopping center.

1664
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,480
Like point of consumption versus point

1665
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,280
of distribution. They'll you can take

1666
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,200
your pack [clears throat] or whatever

1667
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,520
home with you, but they don't want

1668
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,119
somebody sitting in the parking lot or

1669
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,400
out in outdoor seating area drinking.

1670
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,799
And so that's just the the kind of thing

1671
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:21,679
that you'll

1672
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:23,440
>> also restrict

1673
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:27,199
>> having done they'll restrict us from

1674
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,520
other type uses that they'll

1675
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:30,719
>> otheries

1676
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:33,120
>> they won't let us put a pharmacy in they

1677
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,040
won't let

1678
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,040
>> yeah they won't let us put other

1679
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,080
>> some other examples

1680
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,080
>> and they you know there's some other

1681
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,159
those type of things we'll get another

1682
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:43,839
layer of restrictions from them so you

1683
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:44,560
know

1684
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,799
>> this calls out some and that was just we

1685
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:48,480
just pulled Those aren't anything we're

1686
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:50,080
set on. They're just examples. Get your

1687
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,400
mind on things and we'd have to adise

1688
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,080
with Nick on anything that could get rid

1689
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,040
of it. But some other examples like

1690
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,400
auditoriums, charter schools, hospitals,

1691
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,839
reception centers. Um in a P zone, you

1692
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:09,040
probably could have an assisted living in a residential zone

1693
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:13,120
right next to this thoughts. Would

1694
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,239
assisted living be

1695
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,159
a proh

1696
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:22,159
I can't good or bad I have no idea we do

1697
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:24,400
get a question we have people

1698
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,960
>> I mean you go down the would be in that

1699
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,199
PUB zone so from a density standpoint it

1700
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:30,960
would be interesting good or bad I don't

1701
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,199
know but you had a resident you know you

1702
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:34,799
got five units [clears throat] to the

1703
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:38,880
acre and then we placed it

1704
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,080
somehow got worked in

1705
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,080
I guess

1706
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,839
>> it'd be interesting. They got they got

1707
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:49,279
one on Parkway

1708
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,759
come off the West Davis and head to the

1709
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:52,799
hospital.

1710
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:53,120
>> Yeah,

1711
01:09:53,120 --> 01:10:00,310
>> they got a memory care right in

1712
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:00,960
» so

1713
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,239
>> because it's on the other side street of

1714
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:02,800
the hospital.

1715
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,640
>> We do have a we do have doctors and

1716
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,400
things like that at our commercial

1717
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,960
centers, doctor offices.

1718
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,840
That's not

1719
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,960
but I would

1720
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,600
I do I'm aware of a assisted living

1721
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,440
center that's out looking right now but

1722
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:23,679
is that something I don't know but is

1723
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:30,470
that give me some feedback

1724
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:33,830
» possible

1725
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,760
» they're talking about they are five

1726
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,800
acres size

1727
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,719
How many beds does that

1728
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:43,040
>> I don't know what that converts

1729
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:43,679
>> many.

1730
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:46,239
>> What's that one right there? They just

1731
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:49,520
put west of

1732
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,430
>> South Fork hardware.

1733
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,360
» So they did the one

1734
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,840
>> I know I know one they did. It's down

1735
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,480
that Lake Parkway. You go all the way

1736
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,800
out to Angel Street.

1737
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,800
Uh, and it's on the southeast corner

1738
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,239
across the street from the dentist

1739
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:08,640
office.

1740
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,000
>> Yeah, which one I'm talking about?

1741
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,280
>> Is that the one you're talking?

1742
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,400
>> It's the memory care assistant living.

1743
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,199
>> And I, you know, there's probably half a

1744
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:18,640
dozen buildings in there. They're all

1745
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,320
single story. They're all

1746
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,840
>> I guess that would depend on you because

1747
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,280
then that would take away if they're

1748
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,520
going to need three to five acres and

1749
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,159
there goes some of your housing.

1750
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:33,600
And I don't know there's room for both

1751
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:34,960
here. So that's why I'm not sure I'd

1752
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,040
like them. I'm more I'm more curious to

1753
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,640
whether I even entertain them. If

1754
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,480
there's if there's adversity in this

1755
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:41,840
group, I don't even want to talk to

1756
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,719
them. If kind of the kind of sixes,

1757
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:46,400
maybe I would. Okay.

1758
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,400
>> In my opinion, I think it's sixes. I

1759
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,199
mean, our population, you can tell we

1760
01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:53,760
got that that patio home place is build

1761
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,760
out and so now the population getting to

1762
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,960
the point where we got to go to Lotus.

1763
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,920
We got to go to a place there by cancer

1764
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,159
beehive house or peach tree

1765
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:18,870
>> there in West

1766
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,840
but not right there

1767
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,600
you don't get it approved thoughts have

1768
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,400
any considerations I don't none of those

1769
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,080
are necessarily problematic

1770
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,880
you got up the discussion. Uh

1771
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,120
>> these are a couple before we leave that

1772
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,120
car washes. I'd like to know. So that's

1773
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,320
probably a big deal.

1774
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,040
>> Yeah.

1775
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:45,189
>> We got a lot of demand for car washes.

1776
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,550
» Pardon me.

1777
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,360
» Long as they can fit a duty truck.

1778
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,960
>> Put a good one in that will fit

1779
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:53,840
everything

1780
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,280
>> out here in the country.

1781
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,920
>> Yes. Okay.

1782
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,760
>> Not not prohibited at least. It's

1783
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,120
already being permitted.

1784
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,040
>> I don't see a problem with the car wash

1785
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,280
in an area like this. It seems to fit.

1786
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:05,840
Well,

1787
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,400
>> yeah. Just not in Roy there. Got 75,000

1788
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,840
of them.

1789
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:10,640
>> Okay.

1790
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,560
>> Vehicle repair. I assume that means like

1791
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,040
an actual mechanic shop, not like an

1792
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,560
auto zone.

1793
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,199
>> Yeah. It seemed like it had verbage in

1794
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:21,199
there for like limited. So yeah, I would

1795
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,280
imagine you could something like auto

1796
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,440
parts sales, maybe like a loop shop, but

1797
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:27,040
it probably prohibit

1798
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,159
>> because later in the development

1799
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:29,760
agreement, it does mention automotive

1800
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:30,880
service.

1801
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,320
>> So they kind of conflict each other and

1802
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:33,760
I assumed one was leaning towards

1803
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,199
AutoZone.

1804
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:37,760
>> So we put a val in Springville and it

1805
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,840
went really well. It actually sits next

1806
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,239
to the fuel center. You you don't even

1807
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:47,120
know they're no different than than a drive up window. The question

1808
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,960
would probably be more would you want to

1809
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,159
restrict mechanic shops to where

1810
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:54,080
>> we would probably have that restriction

1811
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,560
of Smith

1812
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,360
now I don't know do they I think they

1813
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,560
probably restrict even the tire

1814
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:03,840
>> brothers

1815
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,120
>> maybe we have to look at that or you

1816
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,440
could ask for exception because they

1817
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:11,600
don't sell tires but it's really they

1818
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,840
just don't want they don't want uses

1819
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,840
that are going to occupy their

1820
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,320
They get even in their inline shops,

1821
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,239
they don't like dentist office because

1822
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:24,640
they sit there

1823
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,040
too long.

1824
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,280
>> Beyond use is another buzz word that got

1825
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,040
kicked around a lot. Something we can

1826
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,480
work with Nick on, but I want I don't

1827
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,560
want it to be a hard point when we get

1828
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:40,870
to there as our phasing plan. Um

1829
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,960
there's discussions obviously early on

1830
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,880
of ratios of completion.

1831
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,560
I'm not overly familiar with it, so I'm

1832
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,000
not going to act like I am, but it might

1833
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,920
be something we want to have discussions

1834
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,760
with this team here about what's

1835
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:54,719
reasonable and what could be

1836
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:56,000
accommodated

1837
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:02,709
>> as far as what gets filled out first

1838
01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:04,400
» like when you phase a plan together like

1839
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,239
this, do you you start with commercial?

1840
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:09,520
Do you move from outside in, inside out?

1841
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,480
>> Uh,

1842
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:15,679
it'll be done and I

1843
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:22,239
There's a there's a big there's a big issue here. It's the sewer list

1844
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,000
station

1845
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,280
and you you can't fund the sewer list

1846
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,880
station

1847
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,400
with even the density even increased

1848
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,719
density of residential.

1849
01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:36,960
There's no there no way economically to

1850
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,360
pay for that station with 20 acres of

1851
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,320
ground.

1852
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,120
>> Okay, even 40 acres of ground. So you

1853
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,880
got to have the commercial to fund the

1854
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,280
list station. So you either got to have

1855
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,360
the commercial being built or you're not

1856
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,239
it can't be a residential. But to put

1857
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:58,950
restrictions on how you time the project

1858
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,880
just because you can't build the

1859
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,560
listation without the commercial, you're

1860
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,000
going to get the commercial with the

1861
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,120
residential. But [clears throat] but but

1862
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,640
the government to restrict the capacity

1863
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,719
of the private sector to be able to make

1864
01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:14,080
it work

1865
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,480
>> that becomes a little problematic as you

1866
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:18,719
understand how it functions. You got to

1867
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:20,400
but you're going to have but the but the

1868
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,280
pure fact that you can't sewer those

1869
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,480
homes without the lift station. You

1870
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:29,040
logically you can't have the lift

1871
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:30,560
station without the commercial.

1872
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:31,040
>> Correct.

1873
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,400
>> You're going to have them together. So

1874
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,320
how would you anticipate how would you

1875
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,560
anticipate this be built out? What would

1876
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,440
come first in actual construction

1877
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:40,960
>> grocery anchor would drive the

1878
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,280
commercial. There isn't a tenant that

1879
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:43,920
would come.

1880
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,840
>> So you anticipate likely

1881
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,560
>> say that say that because I think the

1882
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,120
public doesn't normally understand it.

1883
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:51,760
>> Yeah.

1884
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,520
>> Oh the ger anchor is what creates the

1885
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:56,640
trips

1886
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,719
>> that benefit the other paths and

1887
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:01,040
tenants. And you will not you will not

1888
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,800
get anyone here.

1889
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,520
>> I think I'll say I know everybody thinks

1890
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,280
it'll come but it won't

1891
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:08,800
>> without the anchor

1892
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,800
>> that are you is that's Willis Smith

1893
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,760
yours. Did you do that development?

1894
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,143
>> That was Perry. I should have built

1895
01:17:16,143 --> 01:17:16,159
[snorts]

1896
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:17,760
>> that's because I I watched that one and

1897
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,280
they built the Smiths first and now

1898
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:26,790
they're almost completely built out.

1899
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:27,920
» They did all that.

1900
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,080
>> You know that guy

1901
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,080
Perry would let us in.

1902
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,000
>> What about the residential? When does

1903
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,239
that

1904
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:40,800
>> would again zoning drives the builder

1905
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,800
and then the builder would

1906
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,400
>> So we're we're going to try to do it all

1907
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,719
together. Just that's what we're going

1908
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:50,560
to try to do. But but but you talk to a

1909
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,239
builder, they're not going to build all

1910
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:53,520
at once.

1911
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,679
>> They're going to like anything else, the

1912
01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:57,760
market is the market. And they'll come

1913
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,320
in and build as much as they can and the

1914
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:01,120
market will assist.

1915
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,199
>> Well, I I don't know what's worse from a

1916
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:05,600
res from the residents around. Is it

1917
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,560
better to draw out the whole building

1918
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,320
process? Think of all the construction

1919
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,880
vehicles and people and everything

1920
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,320
servicing that or is it better to just

1921
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,360
get it all done at once?

1922
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:19,510
>> I don't know. We live in Utah.

1923
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:20,480
» You're not wrong.

1924
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:23,600
>> So, would it be

1925
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,640
>> would it be unreasonable to have some

1926
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,000
type of requ and the DA for a level of

1927
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,920
completion with the not the pads but the

1928
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:38,159
ger anchor the anchor prior to

1929
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:43,189
any I I

1930
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:46,719
to put it in the agreement I think makes

1931
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:50,000
it harder it just comp then then you're

1932
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,480
trying to explain to somebody that you

1933
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,239
can't

1934
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:56,880
it's going to happen all at once and you

1935
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,760
want You're not going to get you're not

1936
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,400
going to get I mean we've got people on

1937
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,880
4700 one of the family members that's

1938
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,679
paying the sewer fees he tells me and

1939
01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:09,520
it's not able to build a ton because it

1940
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,360
doesn't have a list station

1941
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:15,679
>> and so even if you you're not going to get it you got to

1942
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:18,080
have that list station built and the

1943
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,679
only way you're going to build that is

1944
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:22,320
with the commercial and but then to try

1945
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:23,920
to tie them together you got to have so

1946
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,280
much of this or so much of that it You

1947
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,679
got to let the market work that and find

1948
01:19:29,679 --> 01:19:32,159
a way to get it built. And you can

1949
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:34,000
restrict it, I guess, and but the

1950
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,280
restriction is going to probably

1951
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,520
represent what's going to happen anyway.

1952
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,600
>> But I but I but I think not to have

1953
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,520
confidence that it's going to have to

1954
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,560
happen that way, I think, is is not

1955
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,795
sensible.

1956
01:19:46,795 --> 01:19:48,080
[clears throat]

1957
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,520
>> For the whole thing to work, the the

1958
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:50,880
anchor is going to have to come.

1959
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,800
>> Yes. because that's what funds it and

1960
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,239
also that's what it doesn't reasonable

1961
01:19:56,239 --> 01:19:58,640
to have some contemplate language of the

1962
01:19:58,640 --> 01:19:59,840
anchor to an extent that you're

1963
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,600
comfortable have some

1964
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,760
>> Yeah. But do we hold the sewer on the

1965
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,400
residential till the anchor is built or

1966
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,800
do we do we can we put the sewer in or

1967
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,800
do we side plan or we put curb gutter

1968
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,040
in? Are we selling lots and the anchor

1969
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,520
isn't totally built but but no one's

1970
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,880
going to sell a lot. They don't have a

1971
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,480
sewer list station there. Nobody's going

1972
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:19,760
to have a sewer list station. the

1973
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,840
anchor's not underway, but we got to go

1974
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,600
back and look at this leak. We got to

1975
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,280
have an attorney review it to see if

1976
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,120
we're stepping over the line or

1977
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,520
violating the ordinance. And it just

1978
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,300
seems it seems it seems good, I

1979
01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:34,560
[clears throat] suppose, politically,

1980
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,840
but it seems cumbersome to function.

1981
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,040
That make sense?

1982
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,679
They're most likely and I realize the

1983
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:43,280
greatest confidence comes from seeing

1984
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,640
you in writing that anchor drives the

1985
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,400
whole show

1986
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,199
>> and and to put a stipulation on the

1987
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:52,800
anchor. They would probably ask for it

1988
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,520
to be a bit little bit longer

1989
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,640
just so that there's

1990
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,560
rooftops, whatever to support that.

1991
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,320
>> I mean, the anchor's interested in the

1992
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:03,600
residential being behind it because

1993
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,440
they're going to shop. That's what drove

1994
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:08,159
where your new Home Depot's going. Them

1995
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:09,840
other pads.

1996
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,000
>> Once the Home Depot went in, your Home

1997
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,719
Depot them pads started popping up.

1998
01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:16,239
>> Yeah. The pads some of them are already

1999
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:18,719
sold now.

2000
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:20,640
>> But it was the Home Depot that drove.

2001
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,679
>> Yeah. And so and it may be I mean if

2002
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:25,040
delayed [clears throat] six months, but

2003
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:29,360
the CRA can be put in place and uh it's

2004
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,840
funding the sewer lift station. Do we

2005
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,640
have to wait six months before we

2006
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,760
the line, but nobody's going to sign on

2007
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,440
the bottom line for for CRA if Smith

2008
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:43,760
isn't signed on the line to build. But

2009
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,520
if they're delayed six months, can we

2010
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,760
now delay the entire residential project

2011
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,520
six months? What does that do

2012
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,159
economically to the builder? It just

2013
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:54,639
feels it's all going to have to happen

2014
01:21:54,639 --> 01:22:02,320
to make it work. But I don't to try to put it in an attorney's hands

2015
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,159
rather than a builder's hands. I get a

2016
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:06,480
little nervous about

2017
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:09,679
>> um amenities, open space. The PV zone is

2018
01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:12,639
a 40% open space. Um we'll have to look

2019
01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:14,400
what we got and work through that and

2020
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,560
see if I said we can amend certain

2021
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,040
things. U [clears throat]

2022
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,360
current PV zone is four units max

2023
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,520
attached. They're proposing six. That

2024
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,159
could be an amendment to the zone.

2025
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:29,520
But what do you guys got on amenities?

2026
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,080
Pocket parks, trails. We talked a little

2027
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,679
on a little bit of connectivity, too. I

2028
01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:34,960
don't think we got anything. I know

2029
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,719
there's some thoughts maybe a pavilion,

2030
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:38,239
things like that would be nice for

2031
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:40,400
people to have lunch.

2032
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,880
Go ahead. That's what I would like to

2033
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,040
see. But we're going to put green space

2034
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,800
when we're talking about smaller units

2035
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,719
and more dense. You can't kick a ball

2036
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:52,880
with your kid, right? You I I need to

2037
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:57,040
focus on that. I want I want power.

2038
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:57,679
>> Yeah.

2039
01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:59,440
>> First home that I owned was Stone in

2040
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:00,022
Stone Creek subdivision

2041
01:23:00,022 --> 01:23:01,199
[clears throat and cough] in West Haven.

2042
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:02,960
Our lot was 10.

2043
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,880
>> There's value in those lots. Like it it

2044
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,440
served my family well, but we played at

2045
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:08,800
the park at the end of the subdivision

2046
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:09,600
every day

2047
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,159
>> cuz my kids could not enjoy our 25 by 25

2048
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,320
backyard very well as we started to grow

2049
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,679
a family. So, I've lived that life and I

2050
01:23:17,679 --> 01:23:21,590
agree like

2051
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,120
» one of the So, when you've got up here

2052
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,480
on walking trails, too, one of the

2053
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:27,040
things like my wife and boy like to ride

2054
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,040
their bikes all over town and they

2055
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,960
constantly end up over in Green Farm

2056
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,960
because they've got an amazing just

2057
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,159
walking. It's a sidewalk, but the way it

2058
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:37,360
goes through and the way they've done

2059
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:38,960
kind of the amenities before it leads

2060
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:40,960
into the houses, you've got shrubs and

2061
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,960
trees and it just it's kind of a natural

2062
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,040
thing. And you see people

2063
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,719
all the time over there.

2064
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:47,840
>> Creates community.

2065
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,440
>> Yeah. Go to that JDC ranch in the

2066
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:51,199
evening like about this time.

2067
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:54,159
>> Great. JDC is if you have

2068
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:55,920
>> every [clears throat] single trip.

2069
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,000
>> We'll go look at it, too.

2070
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,880
>> We don't have time, so this really isn't

2071
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,480
overly pertinent, but I do want to make

2072
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,280
sure we address it. A large section of

2073
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,360
the DA that will come is related,

2074
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:08,639
they're calling it infrastructure

2075
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:10,880
financing.

2076
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,800
that contemplates

2077
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,679
working together to find financing

2078
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:17,440
mechanisms.

2079
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:19,520
That'll be a lot in the you know up to

2080
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,320
the city council how that's done. But uh

2081
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:23,600
just to put it out there I mean

2082
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,560
obviously tax finance something about

2083
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,080
this looks like we're talking about a

2084
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,639
CRA specifically. We've also done some

2085
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:32,320
work on our end for a grant. want to

2086
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,239
make sure aware of that. for some grant

2087
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:36,000
money for sewer infrastructure that we

2088
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,000
could likely apply and then we've done

2089
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,600
pioneering agreements in the past and

2090
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:40,239
there's others.

2091
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:42,320
>> So that's that's one of that's one of

2092
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:43,840
the things I want to ask Nick about

2093
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,679
tonight too is like there were some big

2094
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:47,920
hangups previously as this came through

2095
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,360
planning commission what hangups over

2096
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,679
financing and I'm I don't know what our

2097
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:55,280
role in that really is because we're not

2098
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,800
the legislative part of the city as it

2099
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,360
relates to ne necessary infrastructure

2100
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,080
and that there could be discussion, but

2101
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,920
ultimately I don't think it'll be overly

2102
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,679
>> No, I I think our role is to say we have

2103
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:10,159
to have the infrastructure and then the

2104
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:12,719
>> they got to figure out figure it out how

2105
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:13,920
they're going to do it. that we're

2106
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,440
recommending

2107
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:16,239
they figure out

2108
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:19,760
>> and I would say just from experience if

2109
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,320
you're going to you need it and there's

2110
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,159
no other project that I've seen that

2111
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:25,920
that's type of thing because you've got

2112
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,920
an infrastructure

2113
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,280
>> nut that is bigger than anyone project

2114
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,679
>> and that's where that type of

2115
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:35,440
>> that's how it should be used

2116
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:37,520
>> but but but if you make it big enough

2117
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,080
there are other things inside the city

2118
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,840
>> that actually probably need to be dealt

2119
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,719
with that probably could be part of that

2120
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:46,000
and that's where you could make

2121
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,320
recommendations as to the size. I would

2122
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,239
like to see there's definitely land

2123
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:54,159
around there to the west and to the east

2124
01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:58,080
and to the south that is undeveloped to

2125
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,000
explore pioneering agreements with those

2126
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:00,800
developers [clears throat] that have

2127
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,520
already submitted plans to have them

2128
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,080
participate in the sewer infrastructure

2129
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,360
as well that can keep I know you said

2130
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,520
you can't no number of homes would allow

2131
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,920
you to do the infrastructure but we also

2132
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,280
like there's land around there that's

2133
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,679
going to be developed once the sewer

2134
01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:20,239
Everybody's waiting for this.

2135
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:21,199
>> It'll trigger a bunch.

2136
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:23,120
of And I I would

2137
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,520
like to see that explored with those

2138
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,560
vacation plans that have plans submitted

2139
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,080
to the city already to make

2140
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,520
>> Yes. They're just sitting back waiting

2141
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,040
for somebody else to fund that. And

2142
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,480
that's where you want to put together an

2143
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,829
impact fee that pays back

2144
01:26:36,829 --> 01:26:38,480
[clears throat] covers and helps recover

2145
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:43,280
>> kind of like a pioneer that pays to

2146
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,440
just maybe give a little bit of light

2147
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:48,239
not to get into things that are over not

2148
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:50,080
relevant but I think we're at a about a

2149
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,800
$2.5 million list station to get that

2150
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,280
done and then we have a force name about

2151
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,159
a million dollars is what

2152
01:26:58,159 --> 01:26:59,920
I don't want to we don't know for sure

2153
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:01,679
on numbers but it is a significant

2154
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:03,040
infrastruure

2155
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,480
That's why the financing is being

2156
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:06,159
discussed.

2157
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:08,400
>> So, what to facilitate land use that you

2158
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,320
guys are looking at?

2159
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:11,840
>> Where does that lift station, what's the

2160
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,679
concept of where it's going to pump to?

2161
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:16,080
>> To the 4700 West Haven line that we're

2162
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:16,960
renting

2163
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,960
>> or to the

2164
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,120
>> It'll pump to 51 and go down our line.

2165
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:33,750
better than me. But this might

2166
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,510
» y

2167
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,679
» I don't even know this. I just know that

2168
01:27:39,679 --> 01:27:41,360
where it is in our project.

2169
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,000
>> It's where your mouse is currently.

2170
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,280
>> It's right there. That's where That's

2171
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:46,080
our project.

2172
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,679
>> You are here.

2173
01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:50,560
>> But it but it services all that yellow.

2174
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,080
In theory, that's what our engineer is

2175
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,560
telling us. Yeah.

2176
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,480
>> I mean, it's logically going to flow to

2177
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:58,239
5100 eventually because that's where our

2178
01:27:58,239 --> 01:27:59,760
larger pipe is and it's going to flow up

2179
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,719
to central Weaver from there's

2180
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:05,679
>> on 5100

2181
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:07,840
runs straight north on 5100 all the way

2182
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,600
to

2183
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,000
gravity until it hits Central Weber

2184
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:13,760
sewer

2185
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,199
2550.

2186
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:19,750
You guys can read through.

2187
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,880
You can provide any input on any of the

2188
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,239
other items that we talked about

2189
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:26,719
specifically. Um,

2190
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:28,639
I don't have anything specific. We're

2191
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:30,480
going to get these items out as quick as

2192
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:32,239
we can with them and get them back to

2193
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:34,880
you so you can review them.

2194
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,639
>> Yeah, we'd like your direction so we

2195
01:28:36,639 --> 01:28:40,400
come back next month where where we got

2196
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,000
this for

2197
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,880
>> the future.

2198
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:45,920
We won't do it.

2199
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,360
>> Are you going have to change your future

2200
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,000
as part of amendment?

2201
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,520
>> So that'll be part of your general plan

2202
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,000
amendment.

2203
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,600
>> So Malcolm, will the

2204
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,520
development agreement contain the zoning

2205
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,280
and the general plan amendment? Will

2206
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,960
there be elements in there or will they

2207
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,960
just be ordinances that will be adopted

2208
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,480
in addition to

2209
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:08,159
>> Sorry, say that one more time.

2210
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:09,920
>> The the general plan amendment and then

2211
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,280
the reason will those be elements of

2212
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,120
development agreement or will they be

2213
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,159
ordinances occurring separate and apart

2214
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:19,440
from

2215
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:20,800
>> time [clears throat]

2216
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,000
and Nick will be here so our meeting and

2217
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,080
we have time to talk

2218
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,080
>> I kind of anticipate those generally

2219
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,800
would be maybe referenced in the

2220
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,159
development agreement but they would

2221
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:35,760
take place a separate action

2222
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,280
that's as well

2223
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,440
>> that's why he he's here that's why we

2224
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:41,120
don't answer question

2225
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,520
>> thank you appreciate your

2226
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,199
Yeah, we're looking for Thank you.

2227
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:45,600
Appreciate

2228
01:29:45,600 --> 01:30:07,270
>> the

2229
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,800
» Tell my wife that.

2230
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:29,750
Oh, that's right.

2231
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:42,447
Thank you, Mayor.

2232
01:30:42,457 --> 01:30:43,199
[laughter]

2233
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:53,350
Feeling [clears throat]

2234
01:30:53,360 --> 01:31:03,910
strong, Jamie.

2235
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,760
» Talk about it later, too.

2236
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,719
>> Hey,

2237
01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:31,990
Fourth of July.

2238
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:59,830
Say hello.

2239
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:33,270
Christian.

2240
01:32:33,280 --> 01:33:10,149
So fast. So fast.

2241
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:13,440
like to welcome you out to our July 9th,

2242
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:15,840
2026 planning commission meeting. I'm

2243
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:17,520
Commissioner Corn. conducting the

2244
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,000
meeting. Begin our meeting. I'll lead

2245
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,440
the pledge of allegiance and we'll have

2246
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:23,360
a reference a prayer given by

2247
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:30,470
Commissioner W.

2248
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:33,760
» I pledge algiance to the flag of the

2249
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:35,920
United States of progress

2250
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,040
>> and to the republic for which it stands,

2251
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,880
one nation under God, indivisible, with

2252
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:47,814
liberty and justice for all.

2253
01:33:47,824 --> 01:33:54,149
» [clears throat]

2254
01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:55,760
» Father in heaven, we're grateful for

2255
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,239
this day. If we can meet together

2256
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:00,159
tonight as

2257
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:02,800
community members here at Her Pray that

2258
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,520
we can

2259
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:06,960
have a good meeting. Pray that we'll be

2260
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:11,189
able to

2261
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:14,320
have a a good sense of community and

2262
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:15,679
peace here.

2263
01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:18,239
We're grateful for

2264
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:20,159
uh the community that we live in,

2265
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:21,840
grateful for the country that we live in

2266
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,800
and the freedoms that we enjoy.

2267
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,679
We pray that uh

2268
01:34:27,679 --> 01:34:29,600
those who protect our our freedoms will

2269
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,199
be blessed as well as their families.

2270
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:34,480
Pray for our first responders and

2271
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,199
those who serve in our communities.

2272
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:39,120
For all we have in Jesus Christ, those

2273
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:43,199
who protect our our freedoms will be

2274
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:46,120
spoken.

2275
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:46,775
>> [cough]

2276
01:34:46,775 --> 01:34:47,040
[clears throat]

2277
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,600
>> Sounds a lot like you. I know a handsome

2278
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,199
guy.

2279
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:53,679
>> Thank you, Commissioner.

2280
01:34:53,679 --> 01:34:56,960
First item of consent is the approval of

2281
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,840
last meeting's minutes dated July 11th.

2282
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:01,840
Did anybody see any corrections or

2283
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,000
anything that needed to be amended in

2284
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,629
those minutes?

2285
01:35:08,639 --> 01:35:10,159
» I didn't see anything. So, I'll make a

2286
01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:11,840
motion to approve the minutes from June

2287
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,719
11th, 2026.

2288
01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:15,440
I'll second.

2289
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:17,280
>> We have a motion from Commissioner White

2290
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,600
to approve the minutes and a second from

2291
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:23,360
Commissioner Woodson. All in favor?

2292
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,159
>> Minutes are approved. Now, on to our

2293
01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:28,320
action items that we have tonight. The

2294
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,040
first is an is a conditional use permit

2295
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:34,480
for Jed Jed Debuk for an oversized

2296
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:38,400
structure located at 4704 South 5950

2297
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,840
West. The request is for 3,000 square ft

2298
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:43,840
and 25.6

2299
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,360
height. I'll turn some time over to

2300
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:49,750
staff for review of the site.

2301
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,440
This has been reviewed by staff.

2302
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:54,719
Just pulled a couple things from the

2303
01:35:54,719 --> 01:35:57,920
application there. 3,000 foot structure

2304
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,800
and uh just over 25 ft high. It's going

2305
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,520
to be used for storage, no plumbing,

2306
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:06,320
electrical. Um you see a simple

2307
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,239
elevation drawing there on the site plan

2308
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:12,960
meets all the setbacks and

2309
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,120
Good to go. If you have any questions,

2310
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,560
let me know. Thank you. Is

2311
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,639
representative from Jac here to come

2312
01:36:20,639 --> 01:36:22,080
forward and kind of just explain your

2313
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:23,280
project, what you want to use your

2314
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:25,440
building for and

2315
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:29,679
just come to life and then just

2316
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:34,159
um just basically storage cars and

2317
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:36,639
stuff and whatever

2318
01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:39,920
right now storage building.

2319
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,040
>> Thank you. Right

2320
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,440
now I walk in just the right time. You

2321
01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:49,750
got all taken care of. [laughter]

2322
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:55,679
» Now entertain a motion to enter a public hearing.

2323
01:36:55,679 --> 01:36:57,679
>> I'll make a motion that we enter a

2324
01:36:57,679 --> 01:37:00,000
public hearing for the conditional use

2325
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,800
permit for Jed Dub. Second.

2326
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,280
>> We have a motion from Commissioner Sing

2327
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,600
and a second from Commissioner Bates.

2328
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:11,199
All in favor? Hi. All right. If there is

2329
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:12,480
anybody here that would like to come

2330
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:15,920
forward and state any questions or

2331
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,719
concerns or about the oversized

2332
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:20,320
structure, they may come forward. State

2333
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:21,920
their name that they're a resident of

2334
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,239
Hooper Hooper City. They'll have three.

2335
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:26,159
You have three minutes. Watch Jamie.

2336
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:28,719
She'll be pulling up cards. So, at this

2337
01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:30,639
time, any residents may step forward and

2338
01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:36,470
express your feelings.

2339
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:40,000
Seeing no public comment. I will have a

2340
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,040
motion to close public comment and turn

2341
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,679
to the regular meeting.

2342
01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:47,280
>> So

2343
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,280
second have a motion from Commissioner

2344
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,719
Bates, a second from Commissioner

2345
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:52,800
Woodson. All in favor?

2346
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:53,679
>> I.

2347
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:57,440
>> Okay. Um

2348
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:58,880
does the planning commission have any

2349
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,199
discussion or questions for staff on

2350
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:03,360
this project?

2351
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,920
>> Maybe just explain why this is here.

2352
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,400
What's it what is the

2353
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,080
what's above and beyond what our coast

2354
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:11,760
is just aware.

2355
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,159
>> Uh the most recent update we had to our

2356
01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:16,960
accessory structure the halfacre zone

2357
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,719
can be 2500 ft. So it's 500 ft larger

2358
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:22,320
than what is principally permitted and

2359
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:26,560
then 25 foot is the maximum height. So

2360
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:29,199
this is half taller. So this is a

2361
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:30,719
conditional use for an oversight

2362
01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:33,040
structure. There's nuance there we can

2363
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:34,960
discuss in greater detail broader policy

2364
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:41,109
if we move along but that's specifically

2365
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:43,280
But even on the half it meets all the

2366
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,840
setbacks and the

2367
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:47,280
everything else.

2368
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:51,360
>> Yeah. Meets all this accessory structure

2369
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:52,159
setbacks.

2370
01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:55,040
>> We have nothing as far as impervious

2371
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,760
surface or anything like that that we're

2372
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:58,639
approaching.

2373
01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:03,189
>> I haven't done an impector

2374
01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:05,040
prior to the building permits, but it

2375
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:19,109
doesn't appear. I've seen a lot more 65%.

2376
01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:25,350
» Any other discussion or a motion to

2377
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,280
» on the request?

2378
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,119
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

2379
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:32,480
conditioning permit for Jed Dub at 4704

2380
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:35,840
South 5950 West.

2381
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,239
We have a motion from Commissioner W and

2382
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:39,840
a second from Commissioner White to

2383
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:41,840
approve the oversized structure. All in

2384
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:42,639
favor?

2385
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:45,440
>> I

2386
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:49,760
condition use pass. Um onto our next um

2387
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,600
action item is another conditional use

2388
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,440
permit for Franklin Huff for an

2389
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:57,360
oversized structure located at 4942 West

2390
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:00,639
4825 South. The request is for a 1400

2391
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:03,040
square foot structure with a height of

2392
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:07,760
23 ft. We'll turn some double over staff

2393
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:13,679
to give us a presentation on site plan

2394
01:40:13,679 --> 01:40:17,520
elevation rendering.

2395
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,679
It's an R zone. So this one had some

2396
01:40:19,679 --> 01:40:21,840
strict we've actually never as the

2397
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:23,840
planning commission revisited zone. It's

2398
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:24,880
actually zone that's not replaced

2399
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:27,280
anymore but as it lies and implies they

2400
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:29,280
have a 1200 foot max.

2401
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,239
14 ft and they have an 18

2402
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,400
foot maximum height of building and

2403
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,119
they're going for 23 foot.

2404
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:39,600
It meets all of the setbacks for the

2405
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,840
zone

2406
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:44,000
including any of that nature has been

2407
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,960
accommodated that way. So that's

2408
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,119
everything's good to go as it relates to

2409
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:53,030
site plan.

2410
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:54,800
» Thank you. Is there a representative

2411
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:57,199
from Franklin Huff that would like to

2412
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:59,440
come forward and kind of explain your

2413
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:01,119
building? What would you like to use it

2414
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:01,520
for?

2415
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,480
>> Yeah, Franklin Huff. Um, just pole barn

2416
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:06,560
just for storage for side by side with

2417
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,600
toys or bikes. Just extra room. That's

2418
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,280
all.

2419
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:14,080
>> Is there is there room in there for like

2420
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,960
an ADU or anything like that? Like a

2421
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:20,320
living living space or inside the

2422
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:24,320
>> No, it's also small.

2423
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:27,679
What's the distance from the boulevard

2424
01:41:27,679 --> 01:41:29,199
to the back of the house?

2425
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:30,000
>> 10 foot.

2426
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,400
>> 10. Is that

2427
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,800
>> their minimum require 10T between

2428
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:38,470
buildings? Yep.

2429
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:41,760
» Says your employ

2430
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,000
>> just like saying like so my kids ride

2431
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,760
their bikes just washing machine. Just

2432
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:47,360
simple things like that out there. Keep

2433
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,320
it out of the house. We're very outdoor

2434
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:52,159
kids.

2435
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:53,679
wife gets tired of it being in the

2436
01:41:53,679 --> 01:41:58,390
house. [laughter]

2437
01:41:58,400 --> 01:41:58,960
» Thank you.

2438
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,440
>> Yep.

2439
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:07,590
>> I'll entertain a motion to enter.

2440
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,199
» We we need to enter our public hearing.

2441
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:10,159
>> Hold on.

2442
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:13,910
>> And then

2443
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:15,600
» just just a second. We have to end our

2444
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,199
public hearing first and then we'll give

2445
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:21,510
you time to come.

2446
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,840
I intend a motion to enter a public

2447
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,080
hearing for the condition use permit for

2448
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:26,960
Franklin Health.

2449
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:27,840
>> So moved.

2450
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:28,560
>> Second.

2451
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,639
>> Have a motion

2452
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:32,480
by Commissioner Bates and a second from

2453
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:34,719
Commissioner Woodson. All in favor?

2454
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:35,840
>> I.

2455
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,000
>> Okay. Any any of those that would like

2456
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,800
to come forward and make public comment

2457
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:44,239
come forward. State your name now and

2458
01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:46,560
you'll have three minutes. Watch Jamie

2459
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,840
for your time and time is now yours.

2460
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,400
heart.

2461
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:54,159
>> My name My name is Wayne Goldber. I live

2462
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:56,320
right behind Frankie and I say let him

2463
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,480
do it.

2464
01:42:58,480 --> 01:43:02,639
I My shed is 30 by 50. It's going to be

2465
01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:05,760
right behind his and it's about almost

2466
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,000
30 feet tall, so it won't obstruct

2467
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,800
anything that I've got going.

2468
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:15,910
>> Thank you.

2469
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:17,600
Any others want to come forward for

2470
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,920
public comment?

2471
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,320
Seeing no more, I'll entertain a motion

2472
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,719
to return to the regular meeting.

2473
01:43:24,719 --> 01:43:26,719
>> Make that motion. Second.

2474
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:28,320
>> Have a motion from Commissioner W,

2475
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,320
second from Commissioner Seing. All in

2476
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:31,199
favor?

2477
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:33,040
>> I

2478
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,800
um bring back to commission for

2479
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:36,639
discussion and motion on the conditional

2480
01:43:36,639 --> 01:43:39,920
use permit.

2481
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:42,719
My thought there was even though it's 5t

2482
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:44,719
higher than what we allow buildings

2483
01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:47,520
around there like his neighbor said are

2484
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,480
higher or equal to that size. So I don't

2485
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,000
see why it would be obstructing

2486
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:56,000
anything. So I I see nothing holding us

2487
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:03,910
back for approving this for me.

2488
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:05,760
I'll make a motion to approve this

2489
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:08,639
condition permit for Franklin H for the

2490
01:44:08,639 --> 01:44:12,639
structure located at 4942 West, 4825

2491
01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:14,560
South.

2492
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:15,360
>> Second.

2493
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:17,920
>> Have a motion from Commissioner Wake to

2494
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,159
approve the structure and a second from

2495
01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:22,560
Commissioner Wson. All in favor? I

2496
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:25,920
>> I Commissioner le permit approved. Okay,

2497
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,600
now we are on to our discussion items.

2498
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,920
Um the first item is the group home

2499
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,679
ordinance creation and amendment to

2500
01:44:33,679 --> 01:44:37,360
Hover City Code 10-1A-1.

2501
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,560
Um in the packet there was um material

2502
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,600
that was kind of set forth to kind of

2503
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,000
make these amendments and the changes um

2504
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,520
that we've discussed at last meeting as

2505
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:53,119
well as um at this time we could get any

2506
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:56,960
comments from Nick on the attorney

2507
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,719
Nick's comments on that ordinance

2508
01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:01,280
creation as well or any discussion that

2509
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:02,719
the planning commission would like to

2510
01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:09,910
have on that ordinance.

2511
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:11,760
Um, so last time we were here, we kind

2512
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,480
of discussed this and um, I've done a

2513
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:16,880
little research on um, group homes and

2514
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:18,639
such. I think the reason we're making

2515
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:20,159
these changes and I'll let Malcolm jump

2516
01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:22,159
in because he did kind of jump into this

2517
01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:24,960
midstream is currently our code defines

2518
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,760
family in three ways. It's two people

2519
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:31,360
that are living uh, a person living

2520
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,440
alone or two or more persons related by

2521
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:36,159
marriage. It's a group of 10 people that

2522
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:38,639
are not related by marriage or it's

2523
01:45:38,639 --> 01:45:42,239
eight or fewer um disabled or you know

2524
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:43,679
handicapped people that are living

2525
01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:47,360
together and that creates some legal

2526
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,520
liability for the city. We should really

2527
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:53,760
just have a family be I guess what we t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t

2528
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,760
call traditional nuclear family, people

2529
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,560
that are related by blood or marriage or

2530
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,199
a set number for all people without

2531
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:05,440
calling out whether they are um

2532
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:08,560
you know in any kind of ADA restricted

2533
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,760
um group. And so this would clean that

2534
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:13,520
up and it would create a lot more

2535
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,760
clarity in the code. There's also some

2536
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,800
definitions for what is an elderly

2537
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,760
and group homes for people with that are

2538
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:25,280
elderly and have disability and then it

2539
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:28,080
establishes some areas where they can go

2540
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,600
and some guidance there. Um,

2541
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,920
>> we really got to put an age on elderly

2542
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,080
person. [laughter] I kind of relate to

2543
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:37,679
that

2544
01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:38,960
60 or above.

2545
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,560
>> As I said, I jumped into this in the

2546
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:45,750
middle so I didn't write this.

2547
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:47,360
» That hurts. I actually have one

2548
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:51,119
question. When we're on under the family

2549
01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:55,360
section be up to four unrelated persons

2550
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,600
with or without children. So does that

2551
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,679
mean four people and they can each have

2552
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:01,520
four kids? So there could be 16 people

2553
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:02,480
living within that house.

2554
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:04,719
>> Where you at?

2555
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:06,400
>> Family

2556
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:11,350
right above elderly person.

2557
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:14,000
» Four unrelated people in the house

2558
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:18,149
>> total. Total. Okay.

2559
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:21,280
And that specifically ties into our

2560
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:24,159
definition of a group home

2561
01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:26,159
conditional and allowed uses.

2562
01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:27,679
>> Yeah.

2563
01:47:27,679 --> 01:47:28,800
So [clears throat] this would allow

2564
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,400
anything. If you had a group home, if

2565
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:32,639
somebody wanted to develop a group home,

2566
01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:35,040
they wanted to have house three people,

2567
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:36,400
they wouldn't need to come get a

2568
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,199
condition use between four and eight.

2569
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:41,520
No, sorry, more than four and less than

2570
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:44,480
eight. have to come before this body

2571
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:46,880
condition and then more is just not

2572
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:48,400
allowed if I if I understand that

2573
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:56,790
correctly

2574
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,320
and they did a good job of explaining

2575
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:02,480
it. I agree it's just adding clarity and

2576
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:05,360
helping us comply with what is required

2577
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:07,280
for group home. It's just an ordinance

2578
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:08,560
we hadn't looked at in a while. We had

2579
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,560
an application it didn't quite fit. We

2580
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,400
realized we were

2581
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:14,880
higher than what was required to help us

2582
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,600
implement some reasonable accommodations

2583
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,760
to facilitate these. There's a process

2584
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,520
I'm going to go so far as to call it an

2585
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:23,679
application, but it'll have a review to

2586
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:26,480
ensure that we're facilitating these and

2587
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:28,800
they're meeting the requirements. Then

2588
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,760
as was called out four and under will be

2589
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:34,880
permitted in residential zones above

2590
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,360
four will be a C. And then that's the

2591
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:38,719
final point I would note and I don't

2592
01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:42,480
want to get the disc discussion off

2593
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:45,840
topic but eight and above does then

2594
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,400
become at times commercial use becomes

2595
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,520
other types of uses within that we have

2596
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,800
ordinances and definitions that

2597
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:58,400
facilitate those types of uses. However,

2598
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,159
those might be uses we want to look at

2599
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:02,080
long term as we've sometimes had

2600
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,639
difficulty still you know certain ones

2601
01:49:04,639 --> 01:49:07,440
of those uses within those Those might

2602
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,199
you want to look at as we go. Some of

2603
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:10,960
them the numbers still a little bit

2604
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:12,480
interesting. We you know if we're going

2605
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:14,560
to have a be a number some we hit six

2606
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,239
and things of that nature might be

2607
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:17,600
things we want to clean up. But as it

2608
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,360
relates to group homes we have a good

2609
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:20,960
ordinance that cleans up groups homes

2610
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:22,800
and then the idea here would be that we

2611
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:24,960
could confidently build a public hear

2612
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,560
for a recommendation at the next meeting

2613
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,080
so that we can get it to city council

2614
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,159
for just a simple update to the code.

2615
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:32,080
But

2616
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,719
that's everything. Nick, as you during

2617
01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:37,600
your review, those numbers that Malcolm

2618
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,119
was mentioning, you know, they're not

2619
01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:41,119
should would it just be more clean to

2620
01:49:41,119 --> 01:49:44,080
make congruent across

2621
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:48,960
the instead of having 06 here?

2622
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:50,639
>> Maybe

2623
01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:52,560
an example just to help with the

2624
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,239
discussion.

2625
01:49:54,239 --> 01:49:57,199
Daycare home group establishment or

2626
01:49:57,199 --> 01:49:59,280
portion there ever going six but no more

2627
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:03,440
than 12. Um, another one here foster

2628
01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:06,320
home group which seems like a similar

2629
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:08,080
and a foster home group in that we call

2630
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,239
it provides foster care for seven to 13

2631
01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:12,080
children. So

2632
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:13,360
>> yeah, those are all things that we're

2633
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,199
going to work on and I think uh the

2634
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:19,040
direction that Malcolm and I and Darren,

2635
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:21,360
my partner at the law firm would like to

2636
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,320
do is just un make those universal so

2637
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:27,360
that it's just easier for staff, it's

2638
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,000
easier for residents and applicants that

2639
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:36,239
they know we're talking between a and then and then if there's valid

2640
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:39,360
reasons to maybe vary from that as we do

2641
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:40,960
further research on this then we would

2642
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:44,000
certainly do that but you know to have

2643
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,920
eight in a group home and six in a

2644
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:49,199
daycare and 13 in a foster care is

2645
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:51,440
pretty confusing for everybody and I

2646
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:55,760
think it also exposes the city to

2647
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,400
um I don't want to say abuses but people

2648
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:01,199
come in and they say this isn't a dayare

2649
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:04,080
this is a foster home and we want 13

2650
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:07,119
kids and it forces staff to make and

2651
01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:09,840
planning commission to make some hard

2652
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:11,679
judgment calls and if everything's the

2653
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:14,960
same that is reasonably the same

2654
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:18,239
obviously then it allows uh it allows

2655
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:19,440
things to get put in the right

2656
01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:22,719
categories and not that kind of

2657
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:24,960
monkey reaching to get it to work into a

2658
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:27,679
different category.

2659
01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:33,280
>> Thank you. Any other comment on that

2660
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:39,830
code or those changes?

2661
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:41,920
» I I think we have forward looks pretty

2662
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:44,159
good. We can look at something final,

2663
01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:45,920
get it approved or sent over to the city

2664
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:51,030
council next [clears throat] meeting.

2665
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,760
On to our next discussion item is

2666
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:56,880
further discussion on the

2667
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,440
development agreement and density bonus

2668
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:03,679
for the project that we discussed in our

2669
01:52:03,679 --> 01:52:06,719
work meeting today at 4700 west and 5500

2670
01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:11,270
south.

2671
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,840
Um, one thing that I didn't we didn't

2672
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:15,599
really get to discuss in our work

2673
01:52:15,599 --> 01:52:18,239
meeting and it's not really our role to

2674
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:21,119
decide on as Commissioner Bates pointed

2675
01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:23,040
out in the work meeting, but I do think

2676
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,199
it's important that we give city council

2677
01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:27,520
all the necessary tools and not hinder

2678
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,800
them in any to make a decision that puts

2679
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:32,560
the best

2680
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,880
possible path forward for the city and

2681
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:37,920
that includes exploring CRA agreements

2682
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,320
but also pioneer agreements and looking

2683
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:43,520
at ways to reduce that risk for the city

2684
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,679
and get the most benefit out of that

2685
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:48,239
development. So I think some of the

2686
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:50,239
things we discussed as far as the open

2687
01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:52,560
space and the park I think need to be

2688
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,119
addressed in that development plan but

2689
01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:59,920
the density and things like that.

2690
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:04,239
Uh to make it I think to make it less

2691
01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:08,800
burdensome on the city from a list

2692
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:10,800
station development standpoint, we have

2693
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,760
to grant some of that greater density to

2694
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,000
kind of help approve some of the reading

2695
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,520
through the development agreement. as

2696
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,840
far as like the width of the road and

2697
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:22,880
access and then the city doing those

2698
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:25,679
improvements. I think that's more to me

2699
01:53:25,679 --> 01:53:27,599
that feels more like the developer

2700
01:53:27,599 --> 01:53:29,360
developing the land and being

2701
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:31,360
responsible for those. But as far as

2702
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,679
like the list station, I can see the

2703
01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:36,080
city helping out in some sort of way in

2704
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,480
that development just because there are

2705
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:40,000
residents that have been waiting for a

2706
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:42,400
long time to develop that property that

2707
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,320
haven't that don't have the chance

2708
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,400
because that lift station is not there.

2709
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,239
So, I want to give them the opportunity

2710
01:53:48,239 --> 01:53:49,760
to

2711
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,080
explore creative ways that could that

2712
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,000
could be that could happen. That's just

2713
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,719
kind of what I we didn't really get to

2714
01:53:56,719 --> 01:53:58,400
that point, but then what I do think

2715
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,480
needs to be addressed in that developer

2716
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:03,280
agreement how it works looks when it

2717
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:04,880
comes back to us.

2718
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:06,719
>> Well, that's to to kind of expound on

2719
01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:10,239
that to your point, we don't want to

2720
01:54:10,239 --> 01:54:12,159
handcuff

2721
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:15,040
the city council with that, but again, I

2722
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,560
don't That's our role to really even get

2723
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,360
into the discussions around financing

2724
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:22,800
and all that kind of stuff. And we

2725
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:24,239
definitely want to deal with the zoning

2726
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:25,520
things that we would like to see in

2727
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:28,880
there. But um I just I think we get hung

2728
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:32,000
up in that. We're not elected. So we

2729
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,080
don't hold the purse strings and I think

2730
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:35,440
that's something that should fall on the

2731
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:37,599
mayor and the city council to determine

2732
01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:39,360
like financing options and things like

2733
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:41,119
that. So thanks for helping me clear

2734
01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:43,679
that up. One of the one of the things

2735
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:46,000
Malcolm, can you put that back. That's

2736
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:47,840
not in our packet. Can you email that to

2737
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:49,760
us?

2738
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:53,510
That's a [clears throat] good bet.

2739
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,280
» Yeah, they provided it about an hour

2740
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:56,800
before just for their presentation

2741
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:58,480
purposes. So, it wasn't included in the

2742
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:01,199
packet, but we facilitated that. Let me

2743
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:03,119
find it. So, if we want to while you're

2744
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:04,239
finding that, if we want to start

2745
01:55:04,239 --> 01:55:05,520
talking about things that we'd like to

2746
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:07,520
see in the developer agreement, the the

2747
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:09,440
park is one that I keep hearing a lot

2748
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,920
about and you know, from people and

2749
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:14,000
where the green

2750
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,199
You know, because currently, you know,

2751
01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:16,960
the discussion that we're meeting, they

2752
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:18,159
were kind of looking down around the

2753
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:19,520
commercial. I think it needs to be more

2754
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,360
centralized in the development so it's

2755
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,239
more useful houses.

2756
01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:25,840
>> Yeah. And I I think we need to define

2757
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,159
what a park is, right? A park isn't just

2758
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:31,280
lawn with one jungle gym. Like I I would

2759
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,000
like to see a picnic table with a cover

2760
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,320
that's powered, something that people

2761
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:41,760
want to use and and and go to. Um

2762
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:44,239
so that I would like to see on green

2763
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:47,119
space is something usable more central

2764
01:55:47,119 --> 01:55:49,520
in the actual wherever the residential

2765
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:52,960
ends up lining other than so Nick the

2766
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:54,320
part that they were talking about if you

2767
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:55,599
see the commercial zone down there at

2768
01:55:55,599 --> 01:55:56,080
the bottom.

2769
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:56,719
>> Yeah, absolutely.

2770
01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:58,159
>> That's what they were kind of floating

2771
01:55:58,159 --> 01:55:59,679
maybe putting something there that's

2772
01:55:59,679 --> 01:56:01,360
nowhere close to any of the housing

2773
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,760
>> and you'd like to put it more

2774
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:05,440
>> central.

2775
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:07,360
Yep.

2776
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:08,560
>> Um

2777
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:12,080
>> and have and have some kind of bery and

2778
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:12,639
playground.

2779
01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:16,880
>> Yeah. Yeah. Make trails also I talked

2780
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:20,080
about and even going through those call

2781
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:22,719
six packs or whatever just to make the

2782
01:56:22,719 --> 01:56:24,400
whole community walkable I think would

2783
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:26,320
be huge.

2784
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:29,280
I mean we talked a little bit about the

2785
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:32,320
outs on the edges path.

2786
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:35,199
>> Yeah. Yeah. Might be tough on the

2787
01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:37,119
outside of those. What we say they were

2788
01:56:37,119 --> 01:56:38,159
30 acre lots.

2789
01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:38,800
>> Yeah.

2790
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,040
>> Might be tough on those but for sure

2791
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:44,159
that the whole town home area and those

2792
01:56:44,159 --> 01:56:47,280
cottages and stuff. Um, the other thing

2793
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:50,320
too is that I mean I'm assuming the list

2794
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:53,199
station we built to size this kind of me

2795
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:55,360
this whole area coming together. I don't

2796
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:56,560
know if you need to define that in there

2797
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:58,400
somehow in the development agreement

2798
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:00,480
that it's not it's not size just for

2799
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:03,360
this right size for the whole

2800
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,000
area going into there. We okay with the

2801
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,560
sixack? I think our ordinance says four

2802
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:09,360
now.

2803
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:11,520
>> Yeah, you have the four units attached.

2804
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:15,920
So, right six.

2805
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:17,840
>> So, that would be that would be a

2806
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:19,360
modification to our code that we need to

2807
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:23,119
call the DA and then modify code

2808
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:24,800
that be

2809
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,719
>> I would say I know this gets into the

2810
01:57:26,719 --> 01:57:27,920
purse strings, but if we're going to

2811
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:30,080
grant the higher density and the sixacks

2812
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:33,990
and things like that,

2813
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:36,000
the fin there has to be financial

2814
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,760
incentive for the city to grant that to

2815
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:39,119
them. I know we're getting the Smith and

2816
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:41,679
I think the city needs the Smith and

2817
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:43,599
it'll bring it'll help out the city a

2818
01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:45,760
lot in the long run, but the higher

2819
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:47,199
density and things like that, I think

2820
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:52,000
they can support that as well. So as

2821
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:54,960
long as that is just not if we if we do

2822
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:59,679
want to grant that I don't see

2823
01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:01,920
you you go look at the Smith and West

2824
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:05,679
Point I know the roads are

2825
01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:07,840
not great in there but I feel like it

2826
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:11,280
flows from

2827
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:14,400
commercial center to town houses out to

2828
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:16,880
larger lots pretty efficiently and I and

2829
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:18,719
I do like how they aligned. Another

2830
01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:20,960
question I have for Malcolm, they

2831
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:22,480
mentioned something about the back side

2832
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:25,599
of those um

2833
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:27,679
the third acre lots that they have going

2834
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:29,760
along the that be the north side now at

2835
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,800
the top about those being two to three

2836
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:35,119
acre lots. How are those people like if

2837
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:37,679
they do decide to develop like are we

2838
01:58:37,679 --> 01:58:40,239
gonna how would they access how how

2839
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:42,560
would how would those the back of that

2840
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:45,920
access um

2841
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:47,599
utilities and things like that if those

2842
01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:49,599
people

2843
01:58:49,599 --> 01:58:52,000
do decide to do something or maybe they

2844
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:53,199
maybe we don't even want to consider

2845
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,360
that but most of the time we in a

2846
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:57,760
development we plan like ST roads into

2847
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,560
those different parcels that could

2848
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,080
potentially have developments. I don't

2849
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:04,800
know if we need to

2850
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,360
have any of that conversation with them.

2851
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:09,679
>> So, you're talking about the north side

2852
01:59:09,679 --> 01:59:10,560
something

2853
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,239
>> instead of just the one to the east and

2854
01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:14,080
then the one to the west.

2855
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:15,920
>> One fair comment, there's some large

2856
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:18,000
pieces back there that they've mentioned

2857
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:19,679
in that would probably be hard to

2858
01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:21,599
facilitate without some type of stuff.

2859
01:59:21,599 --> 01:59:23,360
So, we can, you know, we haven't done a

2860
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:26,320
formal TRC review on this, but uh

2861
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,000
Jared's reviewed it and he didn't

2862
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:29,760
mention anything on interlock, but I'll

2863
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:31,760
have our engineer review it and see if

2864
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:33,920
we need to facilitate stuff to the

2865
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:34,719
north.

2866
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:36,560
>> Maybe we don't. Maybe those.

2867
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:37,920
>> Yeah, we can look at our master

2868
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:40,480
transportation plan and consider it. But

2869
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:41,679
yeah, a little hard because they are

2870
01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:44,080
existing lots. So, you know, we could at

2871
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:45,440
least discuss it for sure.

2872
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:47,440
>> Well, now because somebody this this is

2873
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:49,119
going to look different. Somebody

2874
01:59:49,119 --> 01:59:50,480
brought that up at work meeting that

2875
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:52,960
road that comes out to 5500. UD might

2876
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:54,960
not even allow that.

2877
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:56,000
>> Yeah,

2878
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:59,280
>> because that you 5500's going to widen

2879
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,360
with West.

2880
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:02,880
quarter, whatever they're calling

2881
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:03,520
that out here.

2882
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:04,960
>> So, they have that one at the end and

2883
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:09,668
the one up in the middle too.

2884
02:00:09,668 --> 02:00:10,800
[clears throat]

2885
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:14,560
>> 47. It's still, right? Or this is this

2886
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:23,270
is 47.

2887
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:24,320
Yeah, that's something I think they

2888
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:26,320
develop agreement to do a better job

2889
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:28,080
contemplating to make sure it's

2890
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:29,520
integrated, but they call out some of

2891
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,360
the improvements here, but a lot of this

2892
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:33,440
will do. You know, they'll need a cap

2893
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:35,679
permit, an encroachment permit. That'll

2894
02:00:35,679 --> 02:00:39,040
all come in part approval, but you know,

2895
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:41,920
I would imagine a 660 requirement. This

2896
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:45,119
road here is existing.

2897
02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:47,040
They'll need to meet that or get some

2898
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:49,040
type of variance that will require in

2899
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:50,880
the

2900
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:54,159
facilate all the

2901
02:00:54,159 --> 02:00:56,000
I I think one of the things when we so

2902
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,520
we were talking about the six-pack. I

2903
02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:58,639
think something that makes a lot of

2904
02:00:58,639 --> 02:01:01,280
people nervous is just what the sideline

2905
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:02,560
looks like, right? So, if you drive

2906
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:04,639
through like Clearfield and some of

2907
02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:07,599
these cities where it it's closing in on

2908
02:01:07,599 --> 02:01:09,679
you, but where they're actually looking

2909
02:01:09,679 --> 02:01:13,040
at the more the higher density, you're

2910
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:14,480
not even going to be able to see that

2911
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:15,760
unless you're in the middle of the

2912
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:18,480
higher density. So, you know, you you

2913
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:19,599
might be able to see it from Smith

2914
02:01:19,599 --> 02:01:20,800
parking lot, you're not going to be able

2915
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:22,159
to see it from

2916
02:01:22,159 --> 02:01:24,400
or 47.

2917
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:25,760
So, you're not going to get that kind of

2918
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:27,280
closed in feeling. So, I don't know if

2919
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:28,880
the difference between four and six

2920
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,920
really matters unless somebody's just in

2921
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:33,679
there counting doors. You're saying for

2922
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:34,880
the test town homes?

2923
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:38,000
>> Yeah, I agree with you.

2924
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:41,599
>> What about patio homes?

2925
02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:46,239
>> I I I was with you because there's nothing single

2926
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:48,159
>> there.

2927
02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:50,080
>> That's why I asked him how many doors he

2928
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:51,520
needed.

2929
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:54,719
make this project work because if you

2930
02:01:54,719 --> 02:01:56,800
put patio homes in, you make them work

2931
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:00,560
wherein cottages are

2932
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:02,800
>> versus the

2933
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:04,880
know what they are cottages or single

2934
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:07,360
family cottages

2935
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:09,520
the seat.

2936
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:11,679
Well, that's that was I was looking at

2937
02:02:11,679 --> 02:02:12,800
that on the map earlier and I didn't

2938
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:14,719
really get a chance to ask him that, but

2939
02:02:14,719 --> 02:02:17,920
the properties that are going to remain

2940
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:19,840
that's kind of a I don't want to call it

2941
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:21,920
a collision, but when you look at how

2942
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:24,800
dense that is backing up to two three

2943
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:27,440
acre lots

2944
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,199
>> that's not going to be on the northeast

2945
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:29,760
corner.

2946
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:30,800
>> Yeah.

2947
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:32,639
>> And one of those one of those you

2948
02:02:32,639 --> 02:02:35,760
mentioned that he wants to reszone to

2949
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:38,000
split it, but like how does that look?

2950
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:39,119
But how does that look?

2951
02:02:39,119 --> 02:02:46,550
>> Oh yeah.

2952
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:49,520
» So that road that is continuing there

2953
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:51,520
just continue into that and those two

2954
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:53,199
lots will be split right there and they

2955
02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:55,679
access it from

2956
02:02:55,679 --> 02:02:56,880
47.

2957
02:02:56,880 --> 02:03:02,070
>> Yeah.

2958
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:03,679
I mean the different

2959
02:03:03,679 --> 02:03:05,119
configurations they're talking about

2960
02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:09,040
this is going to be unpopular with half

2961
02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:12,320
the population here, but the change is

2962
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:15,840
coming. We're got a big road coming. The

2963
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:20,320
growth is inevitable. And nobody wants

2964
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:21,840
like in your heart of hearts, nobody

2965
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:26,000
wants more and more and more, but we've

2966
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:29,199
got to have affordable options. And we

2967
02:03:29,199 --> 02:03:31,040
we've got a chance to kind of control

2968
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:34,000
this before the state steps in and tells

2969
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:35,760
us exactly what we're going to do with

2970
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:36,239
this.

2971
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:39,360
>> We also We also discussed

2972
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:42,719
having an agreement in there that it's

2973
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:45,199
a owner occupied

2974
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:48,480
>> owner occupied for so many years

2975
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:49,520
now with JDC.

2976
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:51,040
>> Yeah, I think that's a I think that's a

2977
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:53,679
big deal. Yeah, you don't want

2978
02:03:53,679 --> 02:03:55,199
>> 12

2979
02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:57,679
rentals. That's not that's not if we're

2980
02:03:57,679 --> 02:03:59,280
going to do this type of density. We

2981
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:02,159
want people to live here and have have

2982
02:04:02,159 --> 02:04:04,560
kind of skin the game for the city. So

2983
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:07,360
Nick, is that I know that the

2984
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:08,639
development we're talking about plane

2985
02:04:08,639 --> 02:04:10,800
cities got like a 10year de restriction.

2986
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:13,119
How far can we legally go? I mean, we

2987
02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:16,159
can't obviously say forever, but

2988
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:18,480
>> yeah. So [clears throat]

2989
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:20,320
it's what you put in the development

2990
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:21,920
agreement and then what you actually

2991
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:24,000
enforce on are kind of two separate

2992
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:25,520
issues. I'll address those.

2993
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:29,440
>> So uh by by contract per contracts in

2994
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:31,199
perpetuity are frowned upon. So you

2995
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:34,239
can't contract 10 years, 15 years, that

2996
02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:36,400
sounds reasonable. Uh like I think

2997
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:41,440
that'd be easily defensible. Um

2998
02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:43,679
the difficult part is like it forcing

2999
02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:46,400
it, right? Because

3000
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:48,560
the city's not in a great position. No

3001
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:51,040
city I know, even large city, Salt Lake

3002
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:52,880
City or whatever, you're just not in a

3003
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:54,480
great position to go around knock doors

3004
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:56,239
and say,

3005
02:04:56,239 --> 02:05:00,239
>> "Are you renting? Are you know but the

3006
02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:01,920
nice and the deed restriction is sure

3007
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:05,760
nice and uh and it does inform people

3008
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:07,280
about what they're going to do and I

3009
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:09,199
think it's largely effective.

3010
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:10,800
>> Now does that also cover short-term

3011
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:12,880
rental?

3012
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:15,520
I guess it wouldn't for that occupied.

3013
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:18,080
>> Cities cities can I think cities are

3014
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,880
more effective at regulating short-term

3015
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:23,199
rentals than you know long-term rentals

3016
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:25,040
but

3017
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:27,119
>> but we could certainly put those in the

3018
02:05:27,119 --> 02:05:30,560
development agreement and uh put

3019
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:32,000
restrictions and those kind of things in

3020
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:33,119
place

3021
02:05:33,119 --> 02:05:34,239
>> which are helpful.

3022
02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:36,719
>> One of the So Malcolm one of the other

3023
02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:37,920
things that we brought up when they were

3024
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:39,280
talking about too is lighting

3025
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:42,480
restrictions making really good stuff in

3026
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:44,639
there as far as trying to keep the dark

3027
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:47,360
sky as dark as we can. And I know some

3028
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:49,119
of that's inconvenient, it's expensive

3029
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:50,960
for them, but that would be something

3030
02:05:50,960 --> 02:06:00,629
else we want to talk about.

3031
02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:02,800
» We addressed that at an earlier earlier

3032
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:04,880
meeting that I was at and they were able

3033
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:08,790
to [clears throat]

3034
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:11,360
fancy word for it. We call it a photo

3035
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,920
plan. They'll submit a photo plan and

3036
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:18,960
we'll light that to

3037
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:22,880
make sure that you know yet not too much

3038
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:25,280
lean on them a little bit too. Another

3039
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:27,520
question Nick that got discussed a

3040
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:29,679
little bit

3041
02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:31,440
want to make sure the city has good

3042
02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:34,719
perspective on the phasing element of

3043
02:06:34,719 --> 02:06:36,639
this

3044
02:06:36,639 --> 02:06:39,199
how it relates to residential and then a

3045
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:41,679
commercial project go city has

3046
02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:43,440
particular interest in the commercial

3047
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:45,040
project

3048
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:47,360
would obviously consider concession to

3049
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,400
facilitate it there ways to help

3050
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:52,560
navigate that

3051
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:54,639
response

3052
02:06:54,639 --> 02:06:56,639
Let the market dictate these as they

3053
02:06:56,639 --> 02:06:58,719
come in and help drive that.

3054
02:06:58,719 --> 02:07:00,800
>> Yeah, we've written develop development

3055
02:07:00,800 --> 02:07:03,280
agreements before they require you know

3056
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:08,239
50% commercial before 50% residential or

3057
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:10,400
something like that. you I mean the

3058
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:11,679
developers right you got to allow the

3059
02:07:11,679 --> 02:07:14,159
developer some amount of

3060
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:17,280
wiggle room to keep the project going

3061
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:19,679
and sometimes residential sells faster

3062
02:07:19,679 --> 02:07:22,560
than the commercial but um I've written

3063
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:24,400
we've written similar clauses that

3064
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:27,679
required the commercial to go first and

3065
02:07:27,679 --> 02:07:31,510
they've been successful

3066
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:33,280
» in doing that I guess maybe I'm a little

3067
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:35,679
naive but what I guess what risk are we

3068
02:07:35,679 --> 02:07:39,360
afraid of happening if we don't have

3069
02:07:39,360 --> 02:07:42,079
ing agreement in there. I think the

3070
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:46,320
general risk is that most cities have is

3071
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:48,400
you're going to grant a lot of not a

3072
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:49,679
lot, but you're going to grant density

3073
02:07:49,679 --> 02:07:51,920
that you otherwise wouldn't. And then

3074
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:54,079
developers going to pull all those

3075
02:07:54,079 --> 02:07:56,239
residential permits, build out the

3076
02:07:56,239 --> 02:08:00,159
residential, and then just kind of sit

3077
02:08:00,159 --> 02:08:02,320
on the commercial and try and sell that

3078
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,960
off. And it's the commercial never will

3079
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:07,760
materialize in the way that that they

3080
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:09,760
sell it.

3081
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:12,800
How often that happens in practice, I I

3082
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:14,639
don't know because right now on the

3083
02:08:14,639 --> 02:08:16,320
Wasach front, commercial real estate

3084
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:18,719
seems to be doing just fine. But that's

3085
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:21,119
the worry that cities have is you're

3086
02:08:21,119 --> 02:08:22,480
going to you're going to give them all

3087
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:24,079
this residential. They're not going to

3088
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:25,199
build the commercial. Then they're going

3089
02:08:25,199 --> 02:08:27,119
to come back and tell you they just

3090
02:08:27,119 --> 02:08:28,320
can't get to take [clears throat] the

3091
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:31,760
commercial space. So give us more res.

3092
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:33,520
their natural phasing plan and their

3093
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:35,920
confidence in the

3094
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:38,719
natural development process felt very

3095
02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:41,360
aligned with a phasing agreement that we

3096
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:44,239
just shorted up. I don't see a big

3097
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:46,159
conflict but I understand we don't want

3098
02:08:46,159 --> 02:08:48,320
to overreach but just seem like

3099
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:50,719
something we can short for reasonable

3100
02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:52,560
protection but I agree there it doesn't

3101
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:54,400
you know I do think it should develop

3102
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:56,960
out well together it seemed like they

3103
02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:59,360
want to push for commercial the tanker

3104
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:03,920
first almost I was worried that that's

3105
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:05,679
their kind of way in is to get

3106
02:09:05,679 --> 02:09:08,000
dismissive we'll do some housing around

3107
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:10,320
it so I I almost say it's almost the

3108
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:11,679
opposite of what you said

3109
02:09:11,679 --> 02:09:13,199
>> is they want bring a commercial and then

3110
02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:15,760
they'll drag maybe on the house and

3111
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:18,560
maybe not. And so I think I think you're

3112
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:19,760
right. I think there needs to be some

3113
02:09:19,760 --> 02:09:22,960
type of phasing thing, but also they

3114
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:25,040
make a good point as you don't want to

3115
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:27,280
hand and say you have to do certain

3116
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:29,440
things. But I think that's something to

3117
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:31,199
talk about.

3118
02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:33,760
What I've generally seen is that they'll

3119
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:35,040
say before [clears throat] you can start

3120
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:38,400
the residential, you have to have 25% of

3121
02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:41,280
commercial or 30% or something like

3122
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:45,520
that. And then usually a developer and

3123
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:48,079
terra

3124
02:09:48,079 --> 02:09:50,079
reputable developer, they've already got

3125
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:52,239
tenants lined up. They're not concerned

3126
02:09:52,239 --> 02:09:55,280
about that.

3127
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:57,360
>> Nick, could I uh just throw one

3128
02:09:57,360 --> 02:09:59,520
additional thing we used? And again, I'm

3129
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:01,199
sorry this was a little peacemail we

3130
02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:02,639
didn't catch in work meeting and I'm

3131
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:05,199
glad you're here. I wanted to just give

3132
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:06,560
the planning commission ample

3133
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:10,639
opportunity to talk with you about the

3134
02:10:10,639 --> 02:10:13,119
process and I know we're going to flesh

3135
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:15,599
this out. You're obviously extremely new

3136
02:10:15,599 --> 02:10:17,520
to our city, but generally it's kind of

3137
02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:18,880
been divided right about here at the

3138
02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:20,639
preliminary plat approval where we need

3139
02:10:20,639 --> 02:10:23,280
a reszone. Our general plan requires an

3140
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:25,760
amendment to put this PUB zone that

3141
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:28,159
they're contemplating. Um, also probably

3142
02:10:28,159 --> 02:10:30,639
to get the C2 flushed out the the

3143
02:10:30,639 --> 02:10:33,760
commercial and that would likely require

3144
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:36,239
either updating our ordinance or housing

3145
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:38,800
it really well in our DA. But either

3146
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:40,079
way, those are the actions that will

3147
02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:42,159
likely come to them within the next

3148
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:43,599
reasonable amount of time. I don't want

3149
02:10:43,599 --> 02:10:44,800
to speak specifically on live

3150
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:46,560
application, but if they were to, for

3151
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:47,920
instance, snifferies only have

3152
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:49,840
requirements to get that in front of you

3153
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:51,280
within a certain time frame, which could

3154
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:53,599
be pretty quickly. Obviously, they're

3155
02:10:53,599 --> 02:10:55,199
going to want to build their application

3156
02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:56,400
to an extent that you guys are

3157
02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:57,920
comfortable with a good recommendation,

3158
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:00,079
but I know they're aggressively trying

3159
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:01,760
to move this forward. So, wanted to make

3160
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:04,000
sure. And then after that we have

3161
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:06,880
preliminary plat and final plat

3162
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:08,159
questions and things that I need to work

3163
02:11:08,159 --> 02:11:10,079
on with our legal council and things

3164
02:11:10,079 --> 02:11:12,239
that we'll make sure are really well put

3165
02:11:12,239 --> 02:11:13,920
together and constructed. We want to

3166
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:15,840
make sure that we you know have the

3167
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:18,639
project fully housed whether it be in DA

3168
02:11:18,639 --> 02:11:21,040
or an ordinance format that's completely

3169
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:23,119
compatible and works well. And then also

3170
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:25,760
that these uh

3171
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:27,760
the big here the big thing here from my

3172
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:30,400
perspective is we have limited

3173
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:32,639
ordinances to for some of these things

3174
02:11:32,639 --> 02:11:34,079
you're talking about seeing a lighting

3175
02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:35,920
plan is a really good example. We don't

3176
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:37,920
I'm not aware of lighting standards

3177
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:40,800
within our code. I mean I don't know

3178
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:42,480
that we have them. We have to get that

3179
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:44,880
done. So once the resone's done, I'm not

3180
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:46,719
so sure we can really enforce any of

3181
02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:47,920
these lighting standards that are

3182
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:49,679
important to the functionality. And I

3183
02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:51,920
agree is a great company. I think you

3184
02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:53,440
know you saw they're really really

3185
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:54,800
knowledgeable and I think they'll do a

3186
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:57,040
good project inherently. But it's it's

3187
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,520
good just to have you know have those

3188
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:01,840
standards in place. So those are things

3189
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:03,840
we so with that is there there are

3190
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:05,119
certain things we're going to require up

3191
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:07,679
front and that are reasonable prior to

3192
02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:09,119
the reason and then there are other

3193
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:10,320
things that we're going to push off to

3194
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:11,920
apply approval with some of the more

3195
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:13,840
heavier engineering that'll have some

3196
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:16,239
costs there that'll be done but just

3197
02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:17,520
want to make sure you guys have a chance

3198
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:19,040
to talk with me about any questions when

3199
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:21,360
it comes to approval and the things that

3200
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:23,199
we can raise request of the different

3201
02:12:23,199 --> 02:12:24,639
phases in approval. You'll get to see it

3202
02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:26,159
again at preliminary plat but your hands

3203
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:27,599
will be tied to an extent I would

3204
02:12:27,599 --> 02:12:29,920
imagine that preliminary cl approval by

3205
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:31,679
what the been granted and what's some

3206
02:12:31,679 --> 02:12:34,880
places ordinances. So just a kind of a

3207
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:36,960
word mom there why we're talking about

3208
02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:39,679
this and you got Nick here to answer any

3209
02:12:39,679 --> 02:12:41,280
quick questions but want to talk about

3210
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:43,520
it just have one bullet point probably

3211
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:45,760
the first bullet point in the process is

3212
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:48,159
the development agreement and then the

3213
02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:50,159
reason

3214
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:51,840
>> so one of the questions I've got I don't

3215
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:53,040
know if it's something we add to a

3216
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:54,880
developer agreement or where we put it

3217
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:56,560
but when you think about the build out

3218
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:58,560
of this

3219
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:00,639
can we restrict or How do we how do we

3220
02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:02,239
determine like you know there's going to

3221
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:04,800
be hundreds if not thousands of large

3222
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:07,760
trucks moving equipment and product in

3223
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:11,360
there. How do we protect 4700

3224
02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:14,239
that we just finished resurfacing? It's

3225
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:16,320
a beautiful road and you start running

3226
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:18,239
all that heavy equipment over it. Is

3227
02:13:18,239 --> 02:13:19,520
that something we even need to worry

3228
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:21,280
about? Something we can restrict like

3229
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:22,880
hey access for all this needs to come

3230
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:24,800
off of 55.

3231
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:26,079
Is that

3232
02:13:26,079 --> 02:13:29,119
>> you're Are you um are you talking about

3233
02:13:29,119 --> 02:13:30,320
construction traffic?

3234
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:30,800
>> Correct.

3235
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:34,000
>> Ongoing the ongoing I know we can you

3236
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:36,079
can restrict ongoing as far as truck

3237
02:13:36,079 --> 02:13:37,280
entrances kind of.

3238
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:37,840
>> Yeah.

3239
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:39,840
>> But I'm talking mostly construction

3240
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:41,679
phase because that's going to be a lot.

3241
02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:43,842
>> Yeah, absolutely. As long as there's on

3242
02:13:43,842 --> 02:13:45,920
[clears throat] 55 that can be part of

3243
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:51,350
the development agreement.

3244
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:52,880
» Quick question. Can you go back to that

3245
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:56,079
rehab those bullet points?

3246
02:13:56,079 --> 02:13:58,400
So, so I'm guessing they'll submit a

3247
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:01,040
reason which will then trigger because

3248
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:02,800
the reason that they're requesting

3249
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:05,040
doesn't follow our general plan. So that

3250
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:07,520
reszone will trigger the general plan

3251
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:09,119
amendment. Right.

3252
02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:09,599
>> Correct.

3253
02:14:09,599 --> 02:14:11,280
>> And once we kind of start going the

3254
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:12,800
reszone and they're kind of comfortable,

3255
02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:13,920
we're comfortable with certain things

3256
02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:15,520
and they'll get a development really

3257
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:17,920
heavy to make sure things fall. state

3258
02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:19,119
development is going to be up front even

3259
02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:21,040
though we don't have reason because

3260
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:22,320
imagine they don't get too far in

3261
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:24,320
building if you don't have warm fuzzies

3262
02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:25,760
about

3263
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:28,159
>> they're going to have the ideal way you

3264
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:31,440
do that is this the city has the most

3265
02:14:31,440 --> 02:14:34,639
leverage prior to the reszone

3266
02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:38,480
is a legislative decision so if you

3267
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:40,639
contract with a development agreement

3268
02:14:40,639 --> 02:14:43,360
usually the concession that the city has

3269
02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:46,480
the contract right contract I give you

3270
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:49,040
give me something. Uh the thing we give

3271
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:51,760
as a city is the reason

3272
02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:54,000
>> the thing they give is construction

3273
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:58,320
access plan phasing that it's a fair

3274
02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:00,000
point though something we've been

3275
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,679
balancing this whole process and you

3276
02:15:01,679 --> 02:15:02,719
know we're having the general plan

3277
02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:05,360
update as a whole that'll help us to

3278
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:07,199
require less upfront because we'll have

3279
02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:08,800
good standards and you know we still

3280
02:15:08,800 --> 02:15:10,079
want to be reasonable but there are

3281
02:15:10,079 --> 02:15:11,599
certain things that we need to see to

3282
02:15:11,599 --> 02:15:13,280
make sure they're in place before we

3283
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:15,040
resone and there are other things that

3284
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:17,199
it They felt a little bit of pressure

3285
02:15:17,199 --> 02:15:18,800
from us. Well, man, are we how much

3286
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:20,239
money are we going to spend here prior

3287
02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:21,679
to? Grallyfully, you know, we really

3288
02:15:21,679 --> 02:15:23,119
haven't requested much yet that we have

3289
02:15:23,119 --> 02:15:27,280
a draft uh we have a draft uh DA, but at

3290
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:28,800
this point in time, we are going to go

3291
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:30,000
through that and say, okay, you've

3292
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:31,920
suggested, you know, comfortably that

3293
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:33,520
these are items that you want in a DA.

3294
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:35,440
We're asking them to build those, as

3295
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:36,639
you're well aware, and they're going to

3296
02:15:36,639 --> 02:15:39,520
go out and, you know, have some cost to

3297
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:41,199
develop these standards that are going

3298
02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:42,960
to be housed in these exhibits that they

3299
02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:45,440
haven't put together yet. kind of a

3300
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:46,880
balancing act and I'll obviously

3301
02:15:46,880 --> 02:15:49,199
navigate that to make sure things we

3302
02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:51,520
really feel we need up front are good to

3303
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:52,800
be in the day and then we'll have other

3304
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:54,400
things that come down the road such as

3305
02:15:54,400 --> 02:15:56,719
probably a traffic study I don't think

3306
02:15:56,719 --> 02:15:58,960
require anything by approval rather than

3307
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:04,149
up front but some examples

3308
02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:05,760
so on that note the development

3309
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:07,440
agreement coming first and I know this

3310
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:10,320
goes back to the CRA funding but part of

3311
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:11,920
that development agreement was the

3312
02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:14,639
infrastructure and they're reading that

3313
02:16:14,639 --> 02:16:16,800
phase it seems like a city was on the

3314
02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:19,840
hook for a lot of those

3315
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:21,520
>> all of it.

3316
02:16:21,520 --> 02:16:24,639
>> Yeah. I just don't know like to me that

3317
02:16:24,639 --> 02:16:27,280
didn't seem

3318
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:29,920
>> like like it seemed like the there was

3319
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:31,840
no mutual agreement or like hey we're

3320
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:33,120
going to do this. It's just like well

3321
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:34,639
you guys are getting the benefits pay

3322
02:16:34,639 --> 02:16:36,399
for all this which

3323
02:16:36,399 --> 02:16:39,040
>> in the develop this one we got looks

3324
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:40,800
like the city was going to be on the

3325
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:43,200
hook for about three million bucks

3326
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:45,040
>> right off the estments haven't been put

3327
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:46,719
together yet, but yeah, it anticipates

3328
02:16:46,719 --> 02:16:48,399
that we jointly with them would

3329
02:16:48,399 --> 02:16:50,160
facilitate financing mechanisms that

3330
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:52,000
would pay for all largely all

3331
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,840
infrastructure.

3332
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:55,679
To this point, the list has been the

3333
02:16:55,679 --> 02:16:57,200
primary discussion. We'll bring it to

3334
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:58,719
our city council and have your

3335
02:16:58,719 --> 02:17:01,359
discussion. The way they form or phrased

3336
02:17:01,359 --> 02:17:02,719
it to me is that we just didn't want to

3337
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:05,120
feel there was any we don't they don't

3338
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:06,880
feel like the council's expressed fully

3339
02:17:06,880 --> 02:17:08,160
the things they're open to or not. They

3340
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:09,280
don't want to limit them. They want it

3341
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:11,840
to be in there, but it'll get fleshed

3342
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:13,760
out as we go. the specifics of what

3343
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:16,000
you're getting financed through us or

3344
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:18,240
not. But yeah, it's a

3345
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:20,960
>> I guess that's a hard approach hard for

3346
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:22,319
us to look at that be like, "Oh, yeah,

3347
02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:26,319
this is a great recommendation without

3348
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:29,280
having details on that, which I know is

3349
02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:31,200
like they're sitting shaking before they

3350
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:33,280
start reading."

3351
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:36,960
these these TIFF and CRAAS I get I get

3352
02:17:36,960 --> 02:17:38,559
nervous with them just because you're

3353
02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:41,200
putting a lot of tax burden on these new

3354
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:43,280
future homeowners

3355
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:46,080
um and the they're kind of kind of wild

3356
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:47,840
right you can build a lot of things with

3357
02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:51,200
these with these uh incentives but in my

3358
02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:53,359
opinion it works great for like a sewer

3359
02:17:53,359 --> 02:17:55,359
regional sewer station that in my mind

3360
02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:56,639
that's what it should be used for

3361
02:17:56,639 --> 02:17:58,080
shouldn't be used for developers main

3362
02:17:58,080 --> 02:18:01,120
road into their thing right and so I

3363
02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:03,200
That's a good way to go forward but

3364
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:05,200
really go much past the listation that's

3365
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:07,359
regional for the whole area like the

3366
02:18:07,359 --> 02:18:16,870
bill is my mind should be on the develop

3367
02:18:16,880 --> 02:18:18,559
we'll make sure we flesh it out as well

3368
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:19,760
city council

3369
02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:22,960
>> and Jay's ask was absolutely great point

3370
02:18:22,960 --> 02:18:25,200
as well I don't know who researches this

3371
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,080
or how we start this process but other

3372
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:31,120
developers that are lined up and

3373
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:33,120
just kind of waiting for this project so

3374
02:18:33,120 --> 02:18:35,120
they can hook into a sewer. How do we

3375
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:37,920
go? How do we start that process of

3376
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:39,599
pioneering agreements with them? Because

3377
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:41,679
I don't think that's fair that they sit

3378
02:18:41,679 --> 02:18:44,399
back and Hooker City, Weaver County

3379
02:18:44,399 --> 02:18:47,040
taxpayers and

3380
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:49,760
terrorista end up paying for this and

3381
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:51,679
then they come and hook into it with a

3382
02:18:51,679 --> 02:18:55,669
basic impact fee.

3383
02:18:55,679 --> 02:18:58,479
Was that in the form of a question?

3384
02:18:58,479 --> 02:19:00,399
It was supposed to be.

3385
02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:03,476
Okay.

3386
02:19:03,486 --> 02:19:11,030
[clears throat]

3387
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:13,359
Those will be what those what those will

3388
02:19:13,359 --> 02:19:14,160
look like.

3389
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:18,479
>> We also have city work with uh

3390
02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:20,960
Rob and Cody

3391
02:19:20,960 --> 02:19:24,000
for agency creation and development.

3392
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:25,280
That's something that I don't know how

3393
02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:26,960
those can relate or play together.

3394
02:19:26,960 --> 02:19:28,080
That's why we're working with some

3395
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:30,000
professionals. we can discuss with them

3396
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:32,160
as well as is there a way to implement

3397
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:34,639
some pioneering you know Stuart for

3398
02:19:34,639 --> 02:19:36,160
instance he's obviously an expert his

3399
02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:37,920
own right said impact fees you implement

3400
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:39,040
impact fees and I don't know how those

3401
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:41,200
directly go back your bonds etc I don't

3402
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:45,679
know but we have an expert that will ad

3403
02:19:45,679 --> 02:19:48,080
we we're counting we run into issues

3404
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:50,479
where we have this collection to pay

3405
02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:52,880
back and then go can't call it no fee

3406
02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:55,120
because it's now built and there's

3407
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:58,560
anyway I'm sure you'll get into this one

3408
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:01,920
thing is I think it's

3409
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:05,280
with this regional sew station coming in

3410
02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:06,960
and looking at the general plan like J

3411
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:09,600
said looking at these other um these

3412
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:11,760
different properties around it we look

3413
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:14,560
at like are these going to be resone to

3414
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:16,880
similar densities or stuff like that cuz

3415
02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:18,240
what we don't want to happen is build

3416
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:20,720
this location with you know this is this

3417
02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:22,399
density here but then across the street

3418
02:20:22,399 --> 02:20:25,359
still at acre and half acre and then in

3419
02:20:25,359 --> 02:20:27,359
5 years we see million down here that

3420
02:20:27,359 --> 02:20:28,800
station's no longer

3421
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:31,200
near the capacity of what it should be.

3422
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:33,600
So I think it it might be good to kind

3423
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:36,800
of look at out this the surrounding

3424
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:38,240
properties to see if that's something we

3425
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:41,040
want to entertain is going a little more

3426
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:43,600
dense or going to stay the same as our

3427
02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:47,200
future lings map says

3428
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:50,399
a good question as well. I think to

3429
02:20:50,399 --> 02:20:52,479
summarize this comment I think Nick

3430
02:20:52,479 --> 02:20:54,960
could appreciate this uh the developer

3431
02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:56,640
agreement feels like it's written as if

3432
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:58,240
it's very uh

3433
02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:02,160
open to it obviously contemplates tax

3434
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:03,760
financing or some other form of

3435
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:05,280
financing.

3436
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:08,880
It leaves it really wide open and you

3437
02:21:08,880 --> 02:21:10,479
know that we will be using this. I don't

3438
02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:12,640
know how much we can work with the DA to

3439
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:14,479
have it be an option that you know

3440
02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:16,080
because we have a land decision in front

3441
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:18,319
of us and that's important and I can

3442
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:19,760
understand why it's a little bit

3443
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:21,200
difficult to maybe view it as okay I'm

3444
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:22,479
going to recommend this to the land use

3445
02:21:22,479 --> 02:21:24,319
but I clearly see that there's some

3446
02:21:24,319 --> 02:21:26,319
heavy financing that we'll work with

3447
02:21:26,319 --> 02:21:28,160
council but those could also be things

3448
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,800
that are options you know the language

3449
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:33,840
to get a little bit less strong that you

3450
02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:35,600
could use those type of financing

3451
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:37,359
mechanisms and you could come back for

3452
02:21:37,359 --> 02:21:39,920
approval for those you know the that

3453
02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:40,960
they've been seeking and then let them

3454
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:42,479
go to work to look at some of these

3455
02:21:42,479 --> 02:21:44,720
financing mechanisms and also protect us

3456
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:46,640
with zoning reverting and things of that

3457
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:48,960
nature coming back to protect us. But

3458
02:21:48,960 --> 02:21:50,160
them being able to go to work because

3459
02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:52,240
that's been the big expression from the

3460
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:53,680
development team is we just feel like we

3461
02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:55,840
can't even you know explore CRA

3462
02:21:55,840 --> 02:21:57,840
confidently without a reason. We want to

3463
02:21:57,840 --> 02:21:59,439
meet them in the middle potentially have

3464
02:21:59,439 --> 02:22:01,760
the option to resone, but that doesn't

3465
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:02,880
mean that, you know, that's the only

3466
02:22:02,880 --> 02:22:04,399
option. They could continue with the

3467
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:05,920
project regardless, but right now they

3468
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:07,520
act like that's the primary option that

3469
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:08,960
they could be the project's approved.

3470
02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:10,479
You could look for those and get an

3471
02:22:10,479 --> 02:22:12,160
approval for those as part of our

3472
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:13,840
creation, but it could be a whole flip

3473
02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:16,399
in this whole thing on its head. We'll

3474
02:22:16,399 --> 02:22:17,600
talk through that. I'll talk through

3475
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:19,439
that with legal. We'll try and have it

3476
02:22:19,439 --> 02:22:21,600
be a little bit less a little easier to

3477
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:35,510
swallow from decision as well.

3478
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:38,720
discussion on the density or anything

3479
02:22:38,720 --> 02:22:41,439
else in the agreement that we want to

3480
02:22:41,439 --> 02:22:44,160
see

3481
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:47,760
explore. We talked about

3482
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:49,840
um

3483
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:51,920
on the what were they called the cluster

3484
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:53,680
cottages? We were talking about having

3485
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:55,439
to make sure

3486
02:22:55,439 --> 02:22:59,280
that garages are actually usable. That

3487
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:00,319
was one of the things we were talking

3488
02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:01,439
about like when you look at some of

3489
02:23:01,439 --> 02:23:03,840
these that are higher density that they

3490
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:05,680
call it a single car garage that

3491
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:07,280
basically turns into a tough shed

3492
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:08,800
because you can't actually get a car in

3493
02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:10,640
or out of it and that was something they

3494
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:13,200
took notes on as well. That's something

3495
02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:14,399
I'm just waiting to see if they come

3496
02:23:14,399 --> 02:23:16,960
back with or just as

3497
02:23:16,960 --> 02:23:19,120
we

3498
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:20,640
engineering team hasn't actually got to

3499
02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:22,080
do a review of this fully. There's some

3500
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:23,840
interlocking activity that you brought

3501
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:26,720
that I'll put a note. That's a great

3502
02:23:26,720 --> 02:23:28,560
comment. Something obviously they want

3503
02:23:28,560 --> 02:23:30,160
the way we want it. So,

3504
02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:32,560
>> the other one I think is important is

3505
02:23:32,560 --> 02:23:35,439
you don't just want like a 5ft driveway

3506
02:23:35,439 --> 02:23:37,040
either that you can't park the car on

3507
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:40,240
like a ton of the stuff you see out and

3508
02:23:40,240 --> 02:23:43,120
lay on the golf course, but your

3509
02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:44,640
driveway has to be functional if that's

3510
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:45,760
where you're going to be parking your

3511
02:23:45,760 --> 02:24:01,910
vehicle as well. So, make that there.

3512
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:03,760
Well, when we're talking about parking,

3513
02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:05,439
we

3514
02:24:05,439 --> 02:24:06,880
Can you pull that back back up one more

3515
02:24:06,880 --> 02:24:13,510
time? Sorry, man.

3516
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:15,439
» Cuz that would also be my concern as

3517
02:24:15,439 --> 02:24:18,399
well is with the parking. So, if you

3518
02:24:18,399 --> 02:24:20,720
look down around the cluster units, you

3519
02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:23,120
can see there's a little bit of parking.

3520
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:24,560
It looks like they've got a little bit

3521
02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:27,920
just Yeah. Right there. Because that's

3522
02:24:27,920 --> 02:24:29,520
something else we want to ask for with

3523
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:32,880
that many houses. To Jason's point,

3524
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:34,080
you're going to get one car in the

3525
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:36,560
driveway. If you've got up to four

3526
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:38,640
individuals living in that house, which

3527
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:40,880
you can legally have, where are they

3528
02:24:40,880 --> 02:24:43,120
going to park cars?

3529
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:44,399
And we don't want them just on the

3530
02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:45,439
street.

3531
02:24:45,439 --> 02:24:48,319
>> Yeah. I think we have some we standards

3532
02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:51,840
for a unit a dwelling unit and this

3533
02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:55,040
isn't enough right so we'll address that

3534
02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:57,359
>> yeah is that something that we can say

3535
02:24:57,359 --> 02:24:58,880
around this kind of housing there's just

3536
02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:01,040
no on street parking

3537
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:03,760
>> okay

3538
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:06,399
fire district I don't know how they're

3539
02:25:06,399 --> 02:25:10,560
proposing those roads within the town

3540
02:25:10,560 --> 02:25:15,910
but yeah

3541
02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:22,070
say no parking at

3542
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:25,040
We can require disperse that parking so

3543
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:28,319
it's not one parking lot those that unit

3544
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:30,000
right next to it loves but everybody

3545
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:41,190
else never uses

3546
02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:44,800
» when he was saying sorry about removing

3547
02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:46,399
the road in the middle he talking the

3548
02:25:46,399 --> 02:25:49,280
one that connected into the Was he ding

3549
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:50,560
this road right there?

3550
02:25:50,560 --> 02:25:52,800
>> Yeah,

3551
02:25:52,800 --> 02:25:55,040
that's when he was talking about taking

3552
02:25:55,040 --> 02:25:56,800
out. He didn't like that coming on the

3553
02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:58,720
5500.

3554
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:01,359
So, does that mean all the way through

3555
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:04,001
or just to the commercial?

3556
02:26:04,001 --> 02:26:07,830
[clears throat]

3557
02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:11,520
We don't want all these resid

3558
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:12,800
in the way. We don't want people using

3559
02:26:12,800 --> 02:26:15,840
the existing sodium to the west there.

3560
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:18,160
He's gotten

3561
02:26:18,160 --> 02:26:21,520
is our minimum 60.

3562
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:22,960
>> What is our minimum

3563
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:25,990
>> 60

3564
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:28,399
right away? Yeah, I guess that's what

3565
02:26:28,399 --> 02:26:33,270
he's calling that the surface

3566
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:36,160
or rightway that's

3567
02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:39,760
>> Yeah. So yeah,

3568
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:41,600
this is this is my first time seeing

3569
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:45,359
this one just part of it as well. So

3570
02:26:45,359 --> 02:26:46,479
to get it.

3571
02:26:46,479 --> 02:26:48,160
>> Yeah, I just think access in the

3572
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:51,200
development for the the single family

3573
02:26:51,200 --> 02:26:52,560
dwellings and towns that's that's going

3574
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:55,746
to be huge because we don't

3575
02:26:55,746 --> 02:26:56,720
[clears throat] right now they can just

3576
02:26:56,720 --> 02:27:00,560
access it off road through a sub

3577
02:27:00,560 --> 02:27:02,479
existing subdivision, right?

3578
02:27:02,479 --> 02:27:04,160
>> Yeah.

3579
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:05,600
>> And there's some fencing there, you

3580
02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:07,439
know, some separation uses we might want

3581
02:27:07,439 --> 02:27:09,920
to consider. Do we

3582
02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:11,200
talk a little bit more about that? Do

3583
02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:12,560
you want to see access throughout the

3584
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:14,000
residential for the commercial? You want

3585
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:17,280
to blocked off

3586
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:19,760
some walking connectivity obviously

3587
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:21,359
would be really nice. I don't know about

3588
02:27:21,359 --> 02:27:23,920
like you said we want people

3589
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:26,479
are coming the house coming your

3590
02:27:26,479 --> 02:27:29,280
questions

3591
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:32,720
probably something to especially in the

3592
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:36,399
back of the the grocery

3593
02:27:36,399 --> 02:27:41,510
that just seems like

3594
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:42,399
something

3595
02:27:42,399 --> 02:27:55,030
>> there's a lot of semi traffic

3596
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:57,840
with them switching to

3597
02:27:57,840 --> 02:28:00,800
30 acres all the way around. Did that

3598
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:02,960
bother anybody but up against those on

3599
02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:08,070
the north side instead of the halfacre?

3600
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:11,520
» No. But what that would require as they

3601
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:14,319
talked those

3602
02:28:14,319 --> 02:28:16,880
north of that or

3603
02:28:16,880 --> 02:28:19,920
acre acre and a half and if they ever

3604
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:21,760
want to develop it then they've got to

3605
02:28:21,760 --> 02:28:23,200
put their own road in.

3606
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:26,550
>> Yeah,

3607
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:28,960
I think the comment they made made sense

3608
02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:31,920
but you don't want you know big home

3609
02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:33,920
right next to them. So I think if we say

3610
02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:35,760
no we won't have Baker I think we have

3611
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:38,240
to shift everything down that makes

3612
02:28:38,240 --> 02:28:44,469
sense outside the road be third and then

3613
02:28:44,479 --> 02:28:46,640
half something you really want. I think

3614
02:28:46,640 --> 02:28:48,240
it's going to push everything down. You

3615
02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:50,240
don't want to have big on that.

3616
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:52,000
>> If we're really about talking about

3617
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:54,240
affordability, like those smaller lots

3618
02:28:54,240 --> 02:28:55,840
are just going to be more affordable.

3619
02:28:55,840 --> 02:28:59,520
That's what the market's trapping

3620
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:10,309
right now.

3621
02:29:10,319 --> 02:29:12,240
Do you have any other bullet points or

3622
02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:15,040
anything [clears throat] that we might

3623
02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:19,830
need to address?

3624
02:29:19,840 --> 02:29:22,800
A lot of work to be done on our end. So

3625
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:26,640
we'll get to work on our

3626
02:29:26,640 --> 02:29:31,030
plenty to talk about for sure.

3627
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:33,120
» Did you say we didn't have a lighting

3628
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:35,200
standard?

3629
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:36,640
for commercial use. We probably have

3630
02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:39,120
like res homes requirements

3631
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:42,880
>> a little bit 10-4E-6

3632
02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:44,960
talks about height poles.

3633
02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:47,520
>> Yeah, we imposed that on we require that

3634
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:49,840
one 30 foot. We did 25. Is that Yeah, we

3635
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:51,840
made go 25. Was there other things

3636
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:54,000
besides height poles? But it gets pretty

3637
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:55,840
technical as you saw him talk about. I

3638
02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:57,520
was all over my head. But there's

3639
02:29:57,520 --> 02:30:00,960
balloons and there's there's things that

3640
02:30:00,960 --> 02:30:07,750
we need candles. That's one favorite.

3641
02:30:07,760 --> 02:30:09,600
Yeah, I'll review that standard though

3642
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:11,359
when you see anything else

3643
02:30:11,359 --> 02:30:13,200
>> that I guess.

3644
02:30:13,200 --> 02:30:15,600
>> Yeah, we need a signage plan for sure.

3645
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:17,120
Have a lot of signs and then we submit

3646
02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:20,160
signage plan. I don't we have sign

3647
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:22,560
ordinance for homes use but I don't

3648
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:24,800
think we have a real robust one for

3649
02:30:24,800 --> 02:30:25,760
commercial.

3650
02:30:25,760 --> 02:30:28,080
>> Do we have anything on landscaping? I

3651
02:30:28,080 --> 02:30:33,910
mean the big push right now.

3652
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:35,520
» Yeah, they'll provide a full landscape

3653
02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:37,680
plan that'll be required. Uh they did

3654
02:30:37,680 --> 02:30:40,720
mention in a prior meeting uh recently

3655
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:44,720
that they do very limited saw they kind

3656
02:30:44,720 --> 02:30:46,720
of do a zeroscape approach. So we'll see

3657
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:50,000
how that looks

3658
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:52,560
about the design standards for buildings

3659
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:54,800
aesthetics. We have something like that

3660
02:30:54,800 --> 02:30:57,120
in place. We hope to rely on some of

3661
02:30:57,120 --> 02:30:59,120
those elevation drawings that they

3662
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:01,120
provided. So, one thing I did notice,

3663
02:31:01,120 --> 02:31:02,399
for instance, when they provided them,

3664
02:31:02,399 --> 02:31:05,359
they saw they provided some for the

3665
02:31:05,359 --> 02:31:06,880
We'll need to see some building

3666
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:08,319
material, percentage of building

3667
02:31:08,319 --> 02:31:10,319
material. They call it out, but

3668
02:31:10,319 --> 02:31:12,160
>> we'll need to see like how much of this

3669
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:13,920
is hardy, how much of this is stone. It

3670
02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:15,200
seems like a lot of hardy on this

3671
02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:17,200
building for instance, etc. So, we'll

3672
02:31:17,200 --> 02:31:19,840
need them to call out those ratios.

3673
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:21,840
We'll have to I think the idea was to

3674
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:23,600
rely more heavy on this, but with that,

3675
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:25,680
we'll need a little bit of text. I see

3676
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:27,120
the material, but it' be nice to see the

3677
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:29,439
percentages of primary versus secondary

3678
02:31:29,439 --> 02:31:31,040
materials, things like that.

3679
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:33,439
>> I like the idea of that one show with

3680
02:31:33,439 --> 02:31:36,160
the barn doors.

3681
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:37,760
>> Yeah, that was for the anchor tenant,

3682
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:39,680
right? Did you guys like the look of

3683
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:40,720
that one? Pretty good.

3684
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:43,120
>> I just would hate for him to show us

3685
02:31:43,120 --> 02:31:45,680
this come [clears throat] back and since

3686
02:31:45,680 --> 02:31:47,439
we don't have anything in place, we get

3687
02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:50,479
a full standard block building. Looks

3688
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:52,319
like Walmart.

3689
02:31:52,319 --> 02:31:53,760
>> Nick, do you think we'll be fairly safe

3690
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:55,280
relying on

3691
02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:57,680
exhibits that if we call out the

3692
02:31:57,680 --> 02:31:59,680
percentage materials or

3693
02:31:59,680 --> 02:32:01,600
>> Yeah, I've seen that work pretty well

3694
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,920
where you reference the the exhibits

3695
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:06,960
they presented and then also require

3696
02:32:06,960 --> 02:32:11,280
it's got to be XML masonry XML

3697
02:32:11,280 --> 02:32:14,870
or whatever.

3698
02:32:14,880 --> 02:32:17,439
» The other thing that I thought was the

3699
02:32:17,439 --> 02:32:20,080
development agreement put a 20 year

3700
02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:23,120
timeline on this project. Is that a

3701
02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:25,200
common

3702
02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:27,600
number or is like that seemed

3703
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:30,640
>> like Yeah, like that seemed excessively

3704
02:32:30,640 --> 02:32:34,479
long time for it to be there. The other

3705
02:32:34,479 --> 02:32:38,240
thing is they they said about the right

3706
02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:40,880
to sell it to a different developer. Do

3707
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:43,040
we want to

3708
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:45,120
can we state language that the city has

3709
02:32:45,120 --> 02:32:47,920
to be present to approve that sort of

3710
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:50,399
thing together? I think that needs to be

3711
02:32:50,399 --> 02:32:55,510
in there as well.

3712
02:32:55,520 --> 02:33:01,240
I can see him selling the residential.

3713
02:33:01,240 --> 02:33:06,389
[clears throat]

3714
02:33:06,399 --> 02:33:07,760
» I just I'm going to be really interested

3715
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:09,600
to see what they come back with for

3716
02:33:09,600 --> 02:33:12,640
ingress and egress because where they

3717
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:15,760
removing those roads and then

3718
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:17,200
it's going to force everybody out.

3719
02:33:17,200 --> 02:33:19,920
They're on 5500. Is it 5500 where

3720
02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:21,840
they're going to end up worn out?

3721
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:24,240
The first thing you do is put a damn

3722
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:26,479
median in there. You can't make a left

3723
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:27,040
hand turn.

3724
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:28,720
>> Well, I'm looking out the I'm talking

3725
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:32,160
about out the west side.

3726
02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:32,720
>> West side.

3727
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:40,710
>> That's what 5725

3728
02:33:40,720 --> 02:33:45,270
» I thought.

3729
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:52,309
So there's lot

3730
02:33:52,319 --> 02:33:54,720
here's what I'm talking about 5300.

3731
02:33:54,720 --> 02:33:57,280
>> So this will go down

3732
02:33:57,280 --> 02:33:58,160
there.

3733
02:33:58,160 --> 02:34:00,399
>> But that because right now you've only

3734
02:34:00,399 --> 02:34:02,880
got one entrance here

3735
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:11,760
>> and then 5300. So if you look at like on the Google there's also a stub road

3736
02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:14,560
>> three houses out.

3737
02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:17,120
Can we have them complete that? Because

3738
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:20,399
it just dead ends right here, but that

3739
02:34:20,399 --> 02:34:21,680
would give another way to get it out of

3740
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:23,680
that neighborhood.

3741
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:25,600
>> Oh, so it doesn't complete that.

3742
02:34:25,600 --> 02:34:27,680
>> No, that's there's a fence right there.

3743
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:29,520
So, they got an ATV trailer parked

3744
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:32,640
against it. Taylor and Jerry are amazing

3745
02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:34,960
with

3746
02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:36,880
grass. We also have a little bit. They

3747
02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:38,720
haven't this. They have, but they

3748
02:34:38,720 --> 02:34:40,160
haven't seen this site. The residential

3749
02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:42,080
was never built out until tonight was

3750
02:34:42,080 --> 02:34:44,560
always just

3751
02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:46,399
meeting. So, I don't think they were

3752
02:34:46,399 --> 02:34:48,240
supposed to. I anticipate they probably

3753
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:50,479
have to drag something to 4700, but

3754
02:34:50,479 --> 02:34:51,359
we'll see.

3755
02:34:51,359 --> 02:34:52,720
>> Well, because that's something we've got

3756
02:34:52,720 --> 02:34:54,000
to consider as well with that new

3757
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:55,600
highway coming in because we have no

3758
02:34:55,600 --> 02:34:59,120
idea if it's going if it's traveling on

3759
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:01,920
51, which it's going to We don't know if

3760
02:35:01,920 --> 02:35:04,960
5300 is even going to exist, like what

3761
02:35:04,960 --> 02:35:07,600
we have no idea what 5100's going to

3762
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:09,840
turn into. So, then they could

3763
02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:12,640
completely be blocked in

3764
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:18,782
Another neighborhood that's walk

3765
02:35:18,792 --> 02:35:27,298
[clears throat]

3766
02:35:27,308 --> 02:35:30,550
[laughter]

3767
02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:32,319
» to work on good projects.

3768
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:33,680
>> I think it would be a good benefit to

3769
02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:36,800
the city to have the tax revenue and

3770
02:35:36,800 --> 02:35:38,800
things that could help us fund some of

3771
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:40,560
the improvements to the roads and things

3772
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:42,880
like that. that we're going to be bound

3773
02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:45,680
to be faced with.

3774
02:35:45,680 --> 02:35:47,439
No other comments. We'll move on to our

3775
02:35:47,439 --> 02:35:50,240
citizen comment portion of the meeting.

3776
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:52,240
Citizens wishing to make a comment will

3777
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:54,000
be allowed three minutes. Please come to

3778
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:55,680
the mic. State your name that you're a

3779
02:35:55,680 --> 02:35:58,399
resident of city and Jamie will be your

3780
02:35:58,399 --> 02:36:00,080
flash card and letting you know when

3781
02:36:00,080 --> 02:36:02,640
you're done.

3782
02:36:02,640 --> 02:36:04,560
>> Really hand

3783
02:36:04,560 --> 02:36:06,160
love listening to you guys. You guys are

3784
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:07,840
thinking this thing through very very

3785
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:10,800
well. We appreciate that.

3786
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:13,760
A couple of things um in the work

3787
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:15,600
meeting listened to 20 foot wide

3788
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:20,319
driveways which I think we need and I've

3789
02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:24,160
done some uh stuff over in JBC in that

3790
02:36:24,160 --> 02:36:26,240
subdivision. One of the things they

3791
02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:27,760
mandated over there was that the

3792
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:30,160
driveways were long enough for a

3793
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:32,640
fullsize pickup truck to park without

3794
02:36:32,640 --> 02:36:35,200
being across the sidewalk.

3795
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:37,600
I would encourage you to look into doing

3796
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:40,560
that. So, the biggest vehicle, not not a

3797
02:36:40,560 --> 02:36:42,800
motor home, but a a fullsize pickup

3798
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:44,880
truck with a bumper hitch that came out

3799
02:36:44,880 --> 02:36:48,399
the back needs to be long enough to

3800
02:36:48,399 --> 02:36:53,670
accommodate that. Um,

3801
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:57,680
patio homes, I think, having had several

3802
02:36:57,680 --> 02:36:59,680
conversations with the state regarding

3803
02:36:59,680 --> 02:37:01,920
moderate income housing, some patio

3804
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:03,680
homes would be really helpful here. And

3805
02:37:03,680 --> 02:37:05,040
that's something that as you guys look

3806
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:08,720
into this, I would uh encourage you to

3807
02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:11,120
get from the developers and price

3808
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:13,439
estimates maybe on what some of these

3809
02:37:13,439 --> 02:37:17,200
smaller lots are going to be basically

3810
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:20,720
to keep within state standards. We're

3811
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:22,000
going to probably have to find some

3812
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:24,720
places that are going to be 450,000 or

3813
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:27,280
less to even come close to qualifying

3814
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:30,080
for moderate income housing statute.

3815
02:37:30,080 --> 02:37:33,040
Okay. That's something that is very real

3816
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:35,600
as um

3817
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:36,080
>> Travis.

3818
02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:38,240
>> Mr. Travis. Yeah, I know. But I'm going

3819
02:37:38,240 --> 02:37:39,200
to get an official title.

3820
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:40,240
>> I appreciate that.

3821
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:44,960
>> Yeah. But it's stated the state is we we

3822
02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:46,880
need to keep them happy. Okay. We don't

3823
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:50,160
want them coming in. Um some of the town

3824
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:52,960
homes over in JBC actually have built-in

3825
02:37:52,960 --> 02:37:54,960
attached dwelling units into some of

3826
02:37:54,960 --> 02:37:57,760
them. They are they are designed so that

3827
02:37:57,760 --> 02:38:01,439
they could another unit

3828
02:38:01,439 --> 02:38:04,720
inside the own their own house. So

3829
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:07,200
something to look into. Owner occupied

3830
02:38:07,200 --> 02:38:11,439
definitely 10 years 10 years minimum. I

3831
02:38:11,439 --> 02:38:13,520
think I've talked to some bankers. They

3832
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:15,120
said they banks don't like to go much

3833
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:17,439
more than 10 years. So I'm thinking

3834
02:38:17,439 --> 02:38:21,600
maybe look at 10 years. Um one water

3835
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:24,880
issue is we have lots of u culinary

3836
02:38:24,880 --> 02:38:27,200
water. That's an issue but secondary is

3837
02:38:27,200 --> 02:38:28,800
obviously an issue. [clears throat]

3838
02:38:28,800 --> 02:38:30,640
Um

3839
02:38:30,640 --> 02:38:33,200
zero escaping as much as we can.

3840
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:34,800
conversations

3841
02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:36,960
with the developer.

3842
02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:38,960
I'm thinking we can get no grass

3843
02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:41,040
basically whatsoever in the commercial

3844
02:38:41,040 --> 02:38:44,880
or very very minimal amounts of grass.

3845
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:49,359
Um, another thing too on the the lift

3846
02:38:49,359 --> 02:38:52,960
station, Coper City currently has 600

3847
02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:55,439
homes, maybe more than that, that are on

3848
02:38:55,439 --> 02:38:57,439
the line with West Haven. They want us

3849
02:38:57,439 --> 02:39:00,160
off and so part of this lift station is

3850
02:39:00,160 --> 02:39:02,479
going to be dealing with some of that.

3851
02:39:02,479 --> 02:39:06,720
Um I'm fairly confident that we are

3852
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:10,399
running out of um or we are looking at a

3853
02:39:10,399 --> 02:39:19,429
grant very seriously.

3854
02:39:19,439 --> 02:39:21,920
» Sherry again like thank you so much for

3855
02:39:21,920 --> 02:39:24,319
all you do and really think seriously

3856
02:39:24,319 --> 02:39:26,399
about some of these amenities as you

3857
02:39:26,399 --> 02:39:28,080
drive through different subdivisions.

3858
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:29,920
One of my favorite is Green Farm. We've

3859
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:31,920
gone through the JDC.

3860
02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:34,240
I mentioned before, you know, in over at

3861
02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:35,760
Green Farm, they have what they call the

3862
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:37,920
barn, that little community center, and

3863
02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:39,680
it's not a really large building, but

3864
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:41,359
it's big enough for a lot of things they

3865
02:39:41,359 --> 02:39:43,680
do. They have a sidelong side of it,

3866
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:45,200
which would fit really nicely. They have

3867
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:47,600
a small playground, a pickle ball court.

3868
02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:50,640
Across the street is a pavilion. I would

3869
02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:52,160
like to see somewhere where we could

3870
02:39:52,160 --> 02:39:54,560
have Santa come to town that we could

3871
02:39:54,560 --> 02:39:56,479
have, you know, something there, some

3872
02:39:56,479 --> 02:39:58,479
indoor space that if we needed to, but

3873
02:39:58,479 --> 02:40:01,200
also some outdoor space. So, drive

3874
02:40:01,200 --> 02:40:02,640
around and look at things. You know,

3875
02:40:02,640 --> 02:40:04,240
that's one of the benefits when cities

3876
02:40:04,240 --> 02:40:06,880
say, "Hey, we will give you a a density

3877
02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:09,120
bonus, but what does the city get back

3878
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:11,520
in return?" So, I feel like you're

3879
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:13,520
really in an ideal spot that we can be

3880
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:15,359
planning something because we don't have

3881
02:40:15,359 --> 02:40:18,080
anything like this yet. And so, really

3882
02:40:18,080 --> 02:40:19,600
drive around and look at different

3883
02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:21,439
things and see if some different things

3884
02:40:21,439 --> 02:40:22,880
that you might think that our residents

3885
02:40:22,880 --> 02:40:24,640
would want. So, again, thank you for all

3886
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:27,830
you do.

3887
02:40:27,840 --> 02:40:32,870
Any

3888
02:40:32,880 --> 02:40:35,760
other citizen comment?

3889
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:37,600
Seeing no comment, I'll entertain a

3890
02:40:37,600 --> 02:40:41,200
motion to adjourn the meeting.

3891
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:43,439
>> I'll make a motion.

3892
02:40:43,439 --> 02:40:46,880
>> Second. A motion from Commissioner Se

3893
02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:55,510
from Commissioner Wson. All in favor? I

3894
02:40:55,520 --> 02:40:58,520
» recording