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better check because there's a lot on

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>> Well, we want to welcome you to our

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Hooper City Council work meeting. It is

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5:35 and we're going to go ahead and get

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started. Before we do, someone dropped

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this off at the office that is to the

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mayor and city council. It's a concern.

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It's not on our agenda, so we can't

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discuss it, but I would like you to look

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through it. And I think we will end up

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putting this in our newsletter. It's a

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concern about youth that are late night

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door ditching and it is causing some

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concern with some older residents.

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So, um, look through this because I

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think this is something that we can,

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like I mentioned, put this on in our

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newsletter and if it is something that

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you feel like as a council, we just got

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this just not too long before the

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meeting and so it wasn't time to mail it

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out to you sooner, but see if you feel

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like if if this is something you feel

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like we should formally do something,

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then we'll put it on our next agenda and

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talk about it. So,

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>> this is one of those letters that I'll

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actually read and pay attention to. The

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that people don't sign.

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>> I never read them.

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>> Yeah. No, they they put their names on

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here, their email addresses

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>> of what they do. Um I saw a little bit

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about this on one of the social media

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posts.

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good, you know, and I'd already

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mentioned to Morgan about let's have

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this put on our

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>> Fair enough. Yeah. I Anybody that'll

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sign their name, I'll be happy to read

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>> Yeah.

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>> comments and concerns.

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>> Okay. And then, like I say, if there's

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anything you want us to do further, then

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let me know and we'll put it on the

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agenda. So, our next agenda that is in

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August, our first one in August, I

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believe it's the 6th, August 6th. The

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only thing we can do at that meeting is

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our truth and taxation. So, we can't

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have any other business on that meeting

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at all. And so, the next time we will

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actually have a meeting that we can be

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discussing further city business will be

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on August 20th. So just know it would be

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till August 20th before we could move

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this to the agenda.

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>> Okay.

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>> So Okay.

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>> So Sherry,

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>> did you did everybody get the email from

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Weber County Fair?

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>> We fair.

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>> We county fairs that night also

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>> on August 6th.

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>> The night they are allowing us to go to

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I I saw it and I think when I saw that

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it was the same date, I just figured we

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couldn't. We've had this date set and we

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need to do it or we won't be able to do

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the truth and taxation. And that's

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probably about the same time, too. Is it

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Ryan?

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>> Well, maybe we'll be done. We It's a

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public hearing, so you don't know. We

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may have more residents that show up.

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advertising that here. So, are we voting

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on anything that night or just letting

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the residents come? And

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>> so, so the residents come and we have to

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it will actually be a vote. So, so far

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we only have the preliminary budget.

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vote on a final budget after the truth

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>> So, I think we're all in accord on that

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Ryan, if that's something you and your

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family's going to do that night, I

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>> I just didn't know how many of us

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actually got tickets.

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nothing else could be going on.

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>> Well, you can't have any other truth and

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taxation meetings that night. So, it had

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to be a separate meeting from like this

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the school districts doing one, the

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sewer board, the fire board.

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>> Okay. Weaver County, you cannot have two

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truth and taxation meetings on the same

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night because they don't want residents

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to feel like they're having to choose.

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biggest event. Is would this qualify as

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something that is happening that is

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preventing residents from attending the

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truth and taxation?

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date a few months ago. So

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>> it came out after Yeah. But maybe we'd

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be done and residents could still go to

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that after. They have the dinner first

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them to serve everybody anyway.

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>> Well, they they changed it this time.

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truck vendors." I don't think

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ahead and get started. So, we had a

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little longer work meeting because it

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never feels like we have time to get

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everything done that we need to. And so,

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you should all have had a copy in your

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package of the pressurized irrigation.

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This is our ordinance. One one thing

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that's pretty interesting about this was

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when we were looking this up, this

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ordinance actually falls it's in title

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six chapter 5 under health and

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sanitation.

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ordinance and if there's any changes we

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want to make because currently the way

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this sits this isn't even under a land

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use policy where I feel like if any

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changes are you know if we talk about

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this and think there needs to be that

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would be my suggestion is we end up

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moving it probably under our title 10

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what you feel like um so it is something

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that would go to planning commission for

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them to give some feedback and then come

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back to us but I always like to talk

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about things first in a work meeting so

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discussion whether this is something you

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feel like we should do or not. So I'll just give you a couple of

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suggestions or I've thought of um as

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I've gone I've gone through um so again

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that was one of my first ones. So, you

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know, no, this is title six, not under

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land use. And when we talk about this

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chapter under health and sanitation,

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then it's talking about inside and

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outside water, which makes sense, but

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I'm still not quite sure why this

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wouldn't be under I thought it would be

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under our subdivision ordinance,

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but it's but it's not. Um, some things I

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thought that we we should probably be

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looking at because there could be here

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in our future to have some commercial

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sites within the city of Hooper. And

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right now with this ordinance, we are

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requiring developers to install pressure

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irrig irrigation systems in all

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subdivisions and commercial sites. We

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could have some commercial sites that

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could come in that could possibly

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take a span of 25 acres and under

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curtain regulations it's one share per

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acre to turn in a secondary but they

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could possibly have five trees and six

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an acre with the last they gave me was a

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share per acre but but we could verify

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that. Hello. Um anyway so our kids was

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done them. They could turn in a full

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share per acre like you're saying or

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they can turn in a half a share and pay

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is it $5,000?

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for the ask for the hookup fee.

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shares are so expensive they would they

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thought. Hello Darren, happy to have you

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here. We're just talking about the first

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thing on our work agenda the as far as

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the pressurize. Anyway, that was one

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thing that we might want to look into

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that because we we might need to have a

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different standard in this ordinance for

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commercial developments versus

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residential because they really maybe

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won't be having irrigation. You know,

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you look, for example, like the holiday

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station up on the corner of 43 and 55

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and it's pretty much all rocks and a lot

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of the commercials are. And so, you

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who might not want to use irrigation

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like that? Uh, it wouldn't What do we do

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currently if a developer doesn't want to

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use irrigation? Well, we haven't even

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turn in the share whether they're using

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>> Our code requires they have to they have

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to use irrigation

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>> even if they're doing zero escape and

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have nothing to wet. They just have to

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wet the rocks.

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>> They have to have a connection if it's

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>> They don't have to use it. I suppose

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they don't want to use it.

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talking about like the flip the strip

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thing and all of that stuff and

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conservation and I'm just curious if

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somebody chooses to build that way and

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builds with zerocape. Um, under our

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current ordinance, we'd still force them

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to hook up the water even if they're

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never spraying anything down.

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>> That's correct.

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>> Yes. They would need to connect the

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subdivision would need a secondary

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system which would likely be Yeah. would

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have connection each lot.

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>> Okay. So, there's no exception planning.

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there's some changes that that we want

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to make because because the dialogue in

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this it'll say required. You know, this

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ordinance is to require.

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>> Yeah. I think the Your thought process

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just a step further

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outside irrigation is typically provided

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through secondary water.

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>> The alternative would be culinary water,

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right?

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>> I understand there

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new,

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you know, landscaping methods that don't

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require any, but very few that don't

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require lease drip systems.

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>> So, an alternative would have to be

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I suppose so that would be something you

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know

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>> we could consider. Okay.

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>> So did I read in here I think that uh

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unless they uh like a farmer had

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irrigation water coming down then they

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would be exempt from that if they had

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the water coming down there. Is that

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true

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>> for to for like a development?

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>> Yeah. Or uh Yeah. I just thought I there

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was so much this uh week that I read

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through last night.

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>> Apply to owners who lawfully use water

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from a well or canal to property.

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>> So could we just add in there uh for

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culinary water?

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>> You're saying so instead of rewriting

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this thing, we would put it under the

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exception.

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>> That would be that' be an option that we

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could write it under the exception.

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>> Just throwing stuff out. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Where is that?

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>> It's 656

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» so on the Hello on the 652 and these are

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just a couple of things that we are not

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we're not requiring them to do. So if

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we're not then we shouldn't have them in

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our ordinance. So it says that um if you

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go about halfway through that paragraph

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on 652 that it says the developer must

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ensure each lot is connected as part of

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their development agreement with the

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city. Well, not all developments have

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development agreements, and yet in our

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ordinance, we're requiring that as part

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of their development agreement. So,

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that's probably something that should be

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changed, too, because if we're not

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requiring a development agreement,

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we can't require them to do that if it's

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not even a development agreement, if

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that if that makes sense. So, I think

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this was verbiage that was put in that

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we don't always do. And then it talks

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about they must install a dry system,

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and we haven't required them to do that.

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So again, we need to look at that and if

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this is going to be our ordinance, we

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either make them do it or we take it

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out.

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>> Well, if we're not making them do it,

334
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then we need to take it out. Yeah.

335
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Um and so then, you know,

336
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again, down the next one, 65 are

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required to connect unless exempted by

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the city administrators for a minor

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subdivision, but we haven't been

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exempting anyone either. Even when

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someone's coming and putting in a

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subdivision and it's only a one lot

343
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subdivision, we have still been

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requiring them to either turn in their

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water like you did with your son, which

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would have been considered a minor

347
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subdivision, or turn in a half a share

348
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and pay the difference. So, so again, I

349
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think we have a lot of stuff in here

350
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that we're not doing.

351
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>> Anyway,

352
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>> no, I just trying to think of our city.

353
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Does anybody know a single person that

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doesn't use secondary water

355
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>> or or irrigation water?

356
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>> People who don't have it available?

357
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>> Yeah.

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>> Just West Hooper that doesn't have a

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pressurized system.

360
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>> Not some of them use culinary for their

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yards.

362
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>> They they use culinary.

363
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>> They have to get approval though from

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culinary for sure. Which is a broader

365
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application would be interesting

366
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>> for landscaping.

367
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>> Yeah. broader application than just one

368
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offs that don't have it would be an

369
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interesting discussion, right? I don't

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know how

371
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they would let us

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>> because we had that one lot that went in

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on 6700 that secondaries not available

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there that they still were required to

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turn in the share of water.

376
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>> Aren't minor subdivisions two lots or

377
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either one?

378
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>> It can be up to three.

379
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So, legal question, Darren. Uh, this

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exemption under 653 that says unless

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exempted by the city administrators

382
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uh for a minor subdivision. Um,

383
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that's an exception, right? So, it says

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unless accept.

385
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So, that's interesting. Unless exempted,

386
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which means that therefore that language

387
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would let us exempt.

388
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But they I know we're hearing no one has

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ever been exempted, but it's in our code

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that

391
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>> right

392
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>> we could

393
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>> Yeah, it's that's what our words say.

394
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And I think we could argue it that yes,

395
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that's what it's saying. Or is it saying

396
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>> unless exempted because of 656,

397
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but it doesn't say that specifically,

398
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>> right? It doesn't say that specifically.

399
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So I guess someone could argue both

400
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>> and and why this is under I I don't know

401
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Darren if you were here when I mentioned

402
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this beginning this is actually under

403
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title six under health and sanitation so

404
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it doesn't even fall under the a land

405
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use

406
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>> land use

407
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>> no so so probably it's never been

408
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exempted because this has never been

409
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brought up when it's came to a

410
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development because planning commission

411
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hasn't even had they've never they don't

412
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look at this I mean they do look at it

413
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but they shouldn't have because it

414
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doesn't even fall under one of their

415
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codes.

416
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>> I think this exemption is a little I

417
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think we're taking a little different

418
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direction than what this means. After it

419
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becomes available though, they're

420
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required to hook up within 30 days

421
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>> unless

422
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>> exempt.

423
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>> They've been exempted,

424
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>> right? That's what I'm saying.

425
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>> So, if I was reading this and I was

426
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building something and I read this code,

427
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I would say, well, it says unless

428
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exempted by the city administrators

429
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first. Who's the city administrator? Is

430
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that anybody that works at the front

431
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desk? And can they exempt me? And then

432
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I'd be trying to figure out how do I get

433
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the application for this exemption?

434
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>> What qualifies as the city

435
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administrator?

436
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>> Yeah, I

437
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>> the only thing that in here says that

438
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there would be an exception would be the

439
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656.

440
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So

441
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>> yeah.

442
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>> I just think that this all yields to the

443
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fact that we probably got to clean this

444
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up.

445
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>> Yeah, we need we need to at least make

446
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it more clear. What? Another ordinance?

447
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>> Come on.

448
00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:58,160
>> No, me and Yeah, me and Nick are as we

449
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are working on things, we'll see them

450
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and we're starting to do that more.

451
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We're gonna

452
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>> Thank you.

453
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>> We're have lots of changes here coming

454
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up. So, this is just one. Let's do it.

455
00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:07,120
>> Okay.

456
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,279
>> Well, and I had talked to um Hipper

457
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Water.

458
00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,839
>> Oh, go ahead. Ryan,

459
00:16:11,839 --> 00:16:13,440
>> he was saying, can we move this to the

460
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land use?

461
00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:14,959
>> Yeah, it should be.

462
00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:19,360
>> Our land use needs overhaul. Um it's

463
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very hard to

464
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make it through that code. So, I think

465
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that's something we're working on. So,

466
00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:28,240
we could be added in for sure.

467
00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,920
>> Well, we had a hard time even finding it

468
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because I'd asked Malcolm and he sent it

469
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to me and then when I looked I said,

470
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"Where even is this? I don't know why

471
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this was ever under health and

472
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sanitation.

473
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That that makes no sense to me." And

474
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then so then you go down to the next

475
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section which or section where it says

476
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654 about developers required to escrow

477
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funds or the actual water shares. And I

478
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think that's what you were talking

479
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about. They either had to escrow the

480
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funds or but it also says in here they

481
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can do that the actual shares with the

482
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city or with the applicable water

483
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company. And we've never allowed them to

484
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do it with the city but in our ordinance

485
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they could have. So the so we could have

486
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been holding the watershed

487
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interest on that too. Correct.

488
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>> We should have

489
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>> if somebody escrows money to us, we're

490
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supposed to pay

491
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>> Yeah.

492
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>> 2% or something like that.

493
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>> Yeah.

494
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>> We shouldn't be holding their money for

495
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free. Neither should anybody else really

496
00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:29,200
for that, I don't think.

497
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>> Yeah. But some of these, you know, and

498
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um from talking to Cole Allen down at

499
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Hooker Culinary, he said they this

500
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,360
culinary would really be fine if But for

501
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numbers like three, four, and five, if

502
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we referred them to the culinary rather

503
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than us requiring them to turn in that

504
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share because for example like

505
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commercial ore if it was a zeroscape or

506
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a patio home or something that they

507
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could provide the water to that should probably be a someone has to

508
00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,120
provide water. plain and simple, either

509
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culinary or secondary. Someone has to.

510
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But he, you know,

511
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>> but commercials use almost no secondary.

512
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In fact, you know, or largest potential

513
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commercial people have said, they're not

514
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putting any grass in anywhere and maybe

515
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a couple trees that would be almost

516
00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,559
ludicrous for them to turn in a whole

517
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bunch of water shares that they're never

518
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ever going to use.

519
00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:30,720
>> Yeah.

520
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,520
Well, okay. So from going through this

521
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then do you this is just a discussion

522
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nothing that we can decide but I I felt

523
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like this is something we should discuss

524
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to see if and I feel like this is we

525
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need to do some revisions on this it has

526
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a lot of things that were not really

527
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>> I think the spirit of it underlying

528
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should be we and maybe even it was a

529
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stretch but I assume health and

530
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sanitation was likely for the appearance

531
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of the homes the you know, the actual

532
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functionality of the lawn, the

533
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vegetation, the look, dust, etc. But if

534
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,760
you don't have water, obviously they're

535
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,840
problems. So the spirit of this should

536
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be in maybe like the water shares for

537
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,960
instance, if someone has to provide

538
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water and that has to be verified for

539
00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:21,679
outside to the extent that people can

540
00:19:21,679 --> 00:19:24,240
build a home that looks good. Well, I

541
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know there was Yeah, I know there was a

542
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health and sanitation consideration on

543
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my spot because the box was designed to

544
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where you could switch from secondary to

545
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,440
culinary, but was asked to be removed

546
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because it could like

547
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>> cross.

548
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,600
>> Yeah. And it could contaminate the

549
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,400
internal house. So, when I asked when I

550
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,919
bought the house, hey, can I use

551
00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:46,240
culinary for this? It was, well, we

552
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,679
intended to build it that way, but we

553
00:19:47,679 --> 00:19:49,039
were told we had to remove that out

554
00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:50,400
because of sanitation, because of

555
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,640
health. And so I wonder if that had some

556
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,840
component probably.

557
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,280
>> I mean, my house was built in like the

558
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,039
early 2000s when we became a city. So

559
00:19:57,039 --> 00:19:58,480
maybe it was around the time where we

560
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,160
started thinking like if people are

561
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,840
using culinary irrigation, we need to

562
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,000
kind of set up a a spec, you know,

563
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,520
specific route.

564
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,039
>> They make a uh

565
00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:07,919
>> check valve.

566
00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:10,720
>> Yeah. For that. But they have to be uh

567
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,280
because we have one in Ogden

568
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,440
>> and uh a backflow type thing.

569
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,840
>> Yeah, that's what it is. We have to have

570
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,039
backflow test inspected month, right?

571
00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:22,160
That would make sense,

572
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,200
>> then send it in.

573
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,120
>> Mine was just apparently told take it

574
00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:26,240
out because we didn't want to take the

575
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,520
risk, which is fine. It was before I

576
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,919
bought the house. But um I just want I

577
00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:31,440
mean that's the only thing I could think

578
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,520
in anecdotally that crossed over health

579
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,840
and sanitation was

580
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,320
comingling those waters.

581
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,120
And I believe and I we also have in our

582
00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,520
one of our part of our develop or our

583
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,440
subdivisions they have salon to do

584
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,919
landscaping but if we don't like this

585
00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:50,400
year if we don't really have water and

586
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,400
we are in a drought I think there's

587
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,880
things we need to look at because we

588
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,400
always say we're in a drought this year

589
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,760
well we may be in one next year.

590
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,320
>> I mean we hope not but I think we need

591
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,400
to make sure our ordinances are up to

592
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,480
date that they are fitting what needs to

593
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,480
be done. So, like, you know, I mentioned

594
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,919
we don't want a commercial to come and

595
00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:12,400
then say, "Oh, this is taking 25 acres,

596
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,039
give us 25 shares of water." And the

597
00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:16,799
commercial development says, like, you

598
00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:18,080
know, we're going to have a drip system

599
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,320
to Well, I don't know. Holiday up there

600
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,200
maybe has 15 bushes, maybe. I don't

601
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,480
know.

602
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,080
>> Easily could do that off a culinary,

603
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:26,400
wouldn't you?

604
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,520
>> Yes, they could. Wouldn't even affect

605
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,720
it.

606
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,840
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, maybe if

607
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,679
you have any

608
00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:35,679
what what would be best, Darren, to send

609
00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:37,600
you any suggestions? You want just some

610
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,960
chance to look through this and we'll

611
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,720
address this then in a meeting when you

612
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,480
have something?

613
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,559
>> We should probably work with Malcolm and

614
00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:46,559
moving it over to 10. Um, we would want

615
00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:49,360
to know really what you guys want. I can

616
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:54,230
do a proposal, but

617
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,360
I'm not you guys. So,

618
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:56,559
>> can we tell you what we want in a work

619
00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:57,919
meeting or do you need to hear that on

620
00:21:57,919 --> 00:21:58,799
an agenda in

621
00:21:58,799 --> 00:21:59,760
>> You can say it in a work meeting. You

622
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,600
can say it right now. you want, what

623
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,120
changes you would want on it.

624
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,360
>> So, let me ask you this question. When

625
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:07,200
you make these changes like this one

626
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,240
here, we just says Darren, go take care

627
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,880
of it. Do you go pull up your favorite

628
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,159
city and

629
00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:18,799
>> favorite cities? Yeah.

630
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,200
>> I I mean, my suggestion would be, okay,

631
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,400
go ahead and

632
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,919
>> see what I come see what I come back

633
00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:24,480
with.

634
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,320
>> See what you come back with.

635
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,000
>> You kind of know where we're headed up

636
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,039
here. basically

637
00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:30,480
>> is where you're kind of heading and I

638
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,000
summarize it. Is it that you would like

639
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,159
to add optionality? People could use

640
00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:36,240
culinary if it's approved. Is that the

641
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:36,880
idea?

642
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,799
>> People could use secondary or culinary

643
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:40,799
as long as they had a will serve letter

644
00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,240
prior to approval.

645
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,919
>> Is there a reason why we wouldn't want

646
00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:45,280
to do that?

647
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,480
>> Was there a reason? Do you know

648
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,000
historically why we didn't want to offer

649
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,159
a culinary option?

650
00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:51,840
>> I don't I don't know even today that the

651
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,559
culinary water district is is willing to

652
00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:58,640
do that yet today. So they got to have

653
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,280
>> a say in it.

654
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,880
>> A say in this.

655
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,039
>> We would need for sure. We need

656
00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:04,000
insurance.

657
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000
>> I think some cities

658
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,600
>> push for it because they've let culinary

659
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,159
>> Mhm.

660
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:11,600
>> and then there's complaints that it's

661
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,880
too expensive. I think I've said that to

662
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,400
you guys in the past. That was something

663
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,840
that happened in another city I was

664
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,240
covering.

665
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,360
>> Yeah, it's expensive.

666
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,520
>> So then they were like, well, we just

667
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,600
want irrigation to the city like it was

668
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,679
our fault. Like we need to give them the

669
00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:25,440
opportunity.

670
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:25,840
>> Yeah.

671
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,480
>> So that was a big And it really wasn't

672
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,400
it wasn't wasn't the city's fault.

673
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,440
>> Sure.

674
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,960
>> Well, I mean with this two day a week

675
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,720
restriction, I I called culinary and

676
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,159
said, "Can I spot water?" And they were

677
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:37,600
like, "We have more than enough water."

678
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,600
They were like, "You'll pay for it." But

679
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,720
>> meeting with them a while back and they

680
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:41,200
told us

681
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,320
>> So I just hooked it to the house with

682
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,679
the hose, right?

683
00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:46,559
>> 20% of their available water right now.

684
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:47,679
>> Yeah.

685
00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:50,480
>> But

686
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,080
>> I don't know. That's just what they told

687
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,720
you.

688
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,640
I would guess planning for the future. I don't know.

689
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,919
>> Yeah. I don't know. That's just

690
00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:01,760
anecdotal. Like they just I just called

691
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,000
him and said, "Hey, can I spot water off

692
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,080
the house?" And would that be an issue?

693
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,080
And they said, "We got plenty of water

694
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,320
to

695
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,640
>> Well, I don't think cost effective. It's

696
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,080
going to be realistic for anybody that

697
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,640
has a large yard. It's not going to be

698
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,360
cost effective."

699
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:16,960
>> No.

700
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,480
>> Secondary water is going to be a way

701
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,240
better deal for them in that situation.

702
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,000
Even at two days a week, it's still

703
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,480
going to be a better deal than hooking

704
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,200
up the culinary. And there are a lot of

705
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,960
people out here, and I talked to people

706
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,559
in the culinary district that are

707
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,919
smoking $500 a month to water their

708
00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:36,480
lawns off of culinary, which blew my

709
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,520
mind. But there are a lot

710
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,159
now. Does that make sense? No. But it's

711
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:43,440
their money, so I don't care.

712
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,799
>> So that's my question. Like, why would

713
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:46,559
it have like does it need to be an

714
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,640
ordinance? I mean, I don't need the

715
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,919
government to tell me how I can spend my

716
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:51,679
money, right? So, does it need to be an

717
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:52,799
ordinance that says, "Well, I want to

718
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:54,159
save you money, so you're forced to not

719
00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:55,679
have the option."

720
00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:56,960
>> Like, is that's why I'm wondering, is

721
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,200
there anything that prohibited us from

722
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,559
giving people the option and then they

723
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,240
got to deal with culinary on it?

724
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,080
>> No. And if they decide to do that, I

725
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,640
think we owe it to them to just say, you

726
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,240
know, be prepared.

727
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,520
>> Oh, I was just going to say we did, you

728
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,440
know, some fast estimates. By the time

729
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,600
you take what you pay for a buying a

730
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,080
share, you pay the connection fee. They

731
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,440
figured it's about 25 years of paying

732
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,279
for culinary to water an acre before

733
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:25,600
you'd ever break even.

734
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,360
>> So again, that would rotate on how much

735
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,880
you watered. For instance, the guy that

736
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,039
used to live on the corner west of me

737
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:32,720
watered every day.

738
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,440
>> Yeah.

739
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,760
>> But he didn't care. I mean, his lawn was

740
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,360
actually swampy.

741
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,200
>> The guy that bought the house recently

742
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,960
took out half the lawn put in gravel and

743
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,440
said, "This is crazy. I

744
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,200
Yeah, but I think like you said David,

745
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,559
it probably should be an option.

746
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,480
>> I think only maybe broader potential

747
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,640
risk like I know Bonavista and I don't

748
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,880
you can't compare bonavista and water.

749
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,640
So I'm not trying to make that direct

750
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,200
comparison. They're similar. They have a

751
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,919
resolution you gave them zero ir zero

752
00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:02,320
irrigation nothing no drip nothing. So

753
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,720
they won't permit it at all. So if you

754
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,559
had homes right and I think it's more

755
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,640
likely that water would have a

756
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,799
resolution like that than irrigation

757
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,039
whose sole purpose is to provide

758
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:13,679
irrigation.

759
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:14,559
>> That's fair. Yeah.

760
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,159
>> So if at some point you had permitted

761
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:18,640
culinary and then by no decision of

762
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,720
yours a separate entity for water

763
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,200
resolution no more culinary use then you

764
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,880
would have homes that could have

765
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,559
effectively no green.

766
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,440
>> It wouldn't be like grandfathered or

767
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,679
something. I would expect it would be

768
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:33,679
>> anyway. I don't know. But that's a risk

769
00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:34,880
potentially. That's pretty, you know,

770
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,159
long term. I don't I don't know if

771
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:38,159
they'd ever cut people off entirely, but

772
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:41,440
one of this for future. That's a fair

773
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,000
point. It is for it was in like 2021 was

774
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,600
their resolution. So, anything beyond

775
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:46,080
that?

776
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,120
>> Yeah, I think it'd have to be

777
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:48,559
grandfathered if you have it.

778
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:49,600
>> That's fair. That's probably

779
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,960
>> there's no way to go take them back. I

780
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,360
don't think

781
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,960
>> Yeah, that's a fair point. That's a fair

782
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,240
point. They should They wouldn't be able

783
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,320
to prohibit people who are currently

784
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:56,799
doing it like

785
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:58,000
>> No, but they stop.

786
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,279
>> Just a thought. So

787
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:00,799
>> yeah, I'm open to I mean I know we're

788
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:02,640
not making decisions on adopting an

789
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,480
ordinance, but if it's directionally I'm

790
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,799
open to the language speaking direction

791
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:07,840
around allowing

792
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,799
>> a lot of sense.

793
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:10,799
>> Yeah. And probably some standards with

794
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,200
commercial and residential since we've

795
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,799
never really had commercial there. I

796
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,320
feel like there needs to maybe be some

797
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,039
different

798
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:17,919
>> need

799
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:19,919
>> or or even like with the zeroscaping.

800
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:21,440
There's a house in the subdivision

801
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,840
behind ours, a second house in and their

802
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,840
whole front is zeroscaped, but I know

803
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,240
they turned in a, you know, they didn't

804
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,000
the developer half a share of water and

805
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,400
I don't

806
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,840
>> Well, and I think you're going to find a

807
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,320
lot of people maybe zero front yard and

808
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,760
put a little bit of grass in the back.

809
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,240
>> Yeah.

810
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,000
>> Still might be a lot more economical for

811
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,679
them because you know the value of a

812
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:41,840
water share now is $30,000. Basically,

813
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:42,880
that's a lot of money you'd be

814
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,080
converting to

815
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,799
>> water a you know 400 foot piece of grass

816
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:47,919
or something like that. Darren,

817
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:49,200
additionally, I think we should clarify

818
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,640
if you you hadn't already taken the note

819
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,919
of this, but we should clarify the

820
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:53,919
exemption process if there is one at all

821
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:56,640
to be had. It should be specified and

822
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,399
understood who has the authority and

823
00:27:58,399 --> 00:27:59,440
what that looks like,

824
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,159
>> which I think is what you're want to

825
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:03,600
have the option to choose between the

826
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:03,919
two.

827
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:05,120
>> Yeah, I'd want them to have the option

828
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:06,960
to choose, but is there ever a scenario

829
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,200
where there is a completely exempt

830
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,320
buildout that says you don't need you're

831
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,080
not watering anything?

832
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,520
>> You know what I mean? And so what should

833
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,960
that exemption be?

834
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,880
>> Well, like I said too, from a well, our

835
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,799
ones are exceptions already. Some people

836
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:21,840
do have wells.

837
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,240
>> Mhm.

838
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,320
>> Or they do irrigate, you know, from

839
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,080
>> Well, I have a well I water my lawn off

840
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,480
of, but I use culinary for it because I

841
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,320
don't have a lot of grass and it's

842
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,080
cheaper for me to use culinary to water

843
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,640
the lawn than it is to pump the well.

844
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,120
it's less not necessarily cheaper,

845
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,840
but it's more dependable. I don't run a

846
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,600
pump all the time to pump the wells.

847
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,960
Well, and I just think we need to clear

848
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,320
up some of these things that we don't do

849
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,399
anyway. If we're not requiring them to

850
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:48,159
install a dry system, then we shouldn't

851
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:50,399
have that in our ordinance that we are.

852
00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:52,399
Or if we're saying that they has to be

853
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:54,000
part of their development agreement, but

854
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,520
they don't have a development agreement,

855
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,480
then how do we both of those are in the

856
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,880
652? But anyway,

857
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,909
>> okay.

858
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:07,440
Well, I feel like it's always better to

859
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,679
be on top of things and get things going

860
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:10,399
before

861
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:12,640
>> proactive instead of reactive. Okay.

862
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,159
>> Yeah, that's what I think too.

863
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:15,919
>> I want to fix things before they end up

864
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:17,919
being a pain in the butt.

865
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:20,000
>> Okay. Any other suggestions for Darren

866
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,799
or comments on this before?

867
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:24,480
>> You can reach out to me after too.

868
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440
>> Just escrow. I think they ought to be

869
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,960
able to put us somewhere, but we need to

870
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,559
realize as a city if you can escrow

871
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,039
those, we probably ought to be paying

872
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,679
some interest. And it's not much, but

873
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:38,000
I'm pretty sure if you check around, you

874
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:52,470
will find out if a city escort

875
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,520
money in. Is it five years, 10 years?

876
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,760
indefinitely because we have some places

877
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,840
that probably will never have secondary

878
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:00,559
and

879
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,000
>> well that kind of goes back to curb the

880
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,559
other sidewalk

881
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:05,679
down the road is not going to happen

882
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:06,799
down the road.

883
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,240
>> Larry, did you look like you have a

884
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:08,559
thought?

885
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,600
>> Well, I I just uh you know these escros

886
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,360
uh you know we've had issues out here

887
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,840
with them and uh not me personally. Um,

888
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,919
I'm just thinking in my mind, can we

889
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:22,159
sign a contract

890
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:24,640
and put something in the contract that

891
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,039
if they decide they're not going to

892
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,399
honor or that then a lean gets put on

893
00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:32,080
their house that they can never sell

894
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,919
their house until that's taken care of.

895
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:35,760
And I know you have to renew those I

896
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,720
think every so often, but would that be

897
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,960
easier than taking escrow and having to

898
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,080
deal with interest and who put money in,

899
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,480
who didn't? They're just throwing it

900
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,640
out. I don't know.

901
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,640
>> Well, if this gets moved over to the

902
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,960
land where it used where it should be,

903
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,240
then that could probably have something

904
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,080
to do with the Yesh, which needs to be

905
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,399
revised anyway. You know, I think this

906
00:30:58,399 --> 00:30:59,520
should be something that planning

907
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,159
commission should be reviewing as well.

908
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:02,559
>> Okay.

909
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:03,360
>> So,

910
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,279
>> I think we have the capable attorney of

911
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:06,880
putting something like that together and

912
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,399
bringing it back and saying, "Do you

913
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:10,399
like this?"

914
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:12,000
>> Okay.

915
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,279
>> Well, if we're good with that, then

916
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:15,120
we're going to move on. We have Cody

917
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,120
Deer here with us today who is going to

918
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,880
do a CRA presentation. And so we want to

919
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,080
have enough time at our work meeting

920
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,159
that you can ask all the questions.

921
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:25,840
Cody, if you want to move up.

922
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,520
>> Sorry, Cody. We didn't give you a chair.

923
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,279
>> The ones before we already approved the

924
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,480
policy. And so again, trying to always

925
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,000
plan ahead. We always feel like it's

926
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,120
better to plan and see if this is even

927
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,039
something we want to do rather than

928
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:42,880
waiting until it's But anyway, I'll just

929
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,159
turn the time over to you, Cody, and

930
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:44,960
thank you for

931
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,960
>> always grateful to be with you good

932
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,039
folks. So, the creation of a CRA has has

933
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,440
two major components. The first is you

934
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,760
need to create a community reinvestment

935
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,279
agency

936
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,559
that is a sister entity to the city. So

937
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:02,000
that's the first step and that's what's

938
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
on your agenda tonight is an ordinance

939
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,320
by the city to create a separate

940
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,480
community reinvestment agency and then

941
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,559
that agency has certain powers and

942
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,640
authorities that it can exercise that

943
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,720
are different from the city and one of

944
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,440
those is that you can create a project

945
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,320
area which is a geographic

946
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,760
portion of your city where you can

947
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360
designate the sum of that tax additional

948
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,760
that's generated in that area can be

949
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,919
used for specific purposes and that's

950
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:35,360
outlined in your economic development

951
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,760
policy that was adopted. So the first

952
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,600
action tonight is that you would

953
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,360
consider that ordinance to create the

954
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,919
agency and then there are certain

955
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:45,519
actions that need to be required to set

956
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,640
that up. So we have to file a notice of

957
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,760
impending boundary action governor's

958
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,919
office. So that's that's a part of the

959
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:55,600
ordinance that will be approved tonight

960
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,360
if that's what you choose to do as a as

961
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,919
a council that will need to be filed and

962
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:02,399
then they have 10 days

963
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:04,799
governor's office has 10 days to to make

964
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:06,960
sure that that's created correctly.

965
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,360
>> So quick question the CRA would cover

966
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,960
the whole city if we can create an

967
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,519
agency.

968
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:11,919
>> That's correct.

969
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:14,000
>> And we would specifically if we decide

970
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,120
to do something

971
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,399
>> Y

972
00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:18,559
>> put it to that specific place.

973
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,960
>> That's correct. And if we create one and

974
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,120
we never decide to use it, we don't have

975
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:23,679
to. Right.

976
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:25,600
>> That's right. Yeah. If you create it

977
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,440
tonight and you ultimately say

978
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,240
>> we don't like it,

979
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,519
>> then it just sits there.

980
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,919
>> No, no big deal. No cost to the city.

981
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:32,960
No,

982
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,320
>> not really. Other than filing.

983
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,960
>> Other than filing. Yeah. Pretty much.

984
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,159
>> Okay.

985
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:40,720
>> But if we need it, then we already have

986
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,120
it done.

987
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,440
>> We have it's easy to do. So it's

988
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,320
probably not fairly

989
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,760
>> because we're probably have some changes

990
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,760
out here in the future regardless of

991
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,919
what happens immediately. I'm sure we're

992
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:52,720
have some changes.

993
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,799
>> That's true. Yes.

994
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,519
So once that's created then once you

995
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:58,720
have that certification from the

996
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,159
lieutenant governor's office that you

997
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:02,320
are you have a legal entity called the

998
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Cobber uh community reinvestment agency

999
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,440
then you can take action under the the

1000
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,440
powers of that statute. And one of those

1001
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,679
is that you could create a project area

1002
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,480
to generate tax increment. So this the

1003
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,679
calendar that you have in front of you

1004
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,119
suggests that by August 6th you would

1005
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,760
have that at that meeting you would the

1006
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,639
agency would be officially created

1007
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:25,839
submitted to the lieutenant governor's

1008
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:27,359
office and received a certific

1009
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:30,720
certification of creation and you u

1010
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:34,000
recorded that with the county reporter

1011
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,520
uh at that meeting then you could take

1012
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,440
action anything you wanted to do that

1013
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,440
the agency has authority to do and what

1014
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,359
we were suggesting at this meeting on

1015
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:44,480
the on August 6 would be adopting what's

1016
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,159
called a survey resolution.

1017
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:47,839
>> Does it have to be done that date or can

1018
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:48,879
we?

1019
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,399
>> You can do it anytime you want after

1020
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:50,720
that.

1021
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:52,399
>> Yeah. The sixth that we have our truth

1022
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:54,079
and taxation

1023
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:58,790
>> and we can't do anything else by it.

1024
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,760
» Scratch that.

1025
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,720
>> But to make sure I understand, so

1026
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,000
we'd be creating this agency without the

1027
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,520
implied intent that we're going to use

1028
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,839
the agency. It doesn't bind us to using

1029
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:11,440
the agency. It doesn't require any

1030
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,640
builder that comes in and says, "I want

1031
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,760
to use a CRA." That that we are since we

1032
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,119
have one are forced to use it,

1033
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,119
>> but obviously not the sixth, but in a

1034
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,079
date to follow around that time, we

1035
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,280
we're being asked to consider to create

1036
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,760
a project area, which then would imply

1037
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,280
that we plan to use a CRA.

1038
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,240
>> Yes.

1039
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:32,720
>> Okay.

1040
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,280
>> Yes. So, let's say that you decide to

1041
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,560
create it today. Ultimately down the

1042
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,040
road, you decide not to create a project

1043
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,320
area. That's up to you. That's your discretion.

1044
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,599
>> So, is this just saying that's the

1045
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:44,880
soonest date we could do it?

1046
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:45,520
>> Yes.

1047
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,119
>> But it's not binding us to this date to

1048
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:47,920
say we're going to do it.

1049
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,400
>> No.

1050
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:48,960
>> Okay.

1051
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,040
>> Yeah. This is this is for information.

1052
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:51,359
>> Okay.

1053
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:52,000
>> Purposes.

1054
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,040
>> I just wanted to understand that

1055
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,160
>> clarification. Who runs the CRA?

1056
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,200
>> You are. You are the board members of

1057
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,200
the CR the agency.

1058
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,240
>> City council mayor. Who?

1059
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,240
>> So, you would be the board of directors.

1060
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,960
>> Okay. and the mayor would be the

1061
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,760
executive director of the

1062
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,440
>> So when we acted on behalf of the CRA,

1063
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,200
we would literally just be like, "Here's

1064
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,560
this hat of CRA and take off our city."

1065
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,839
I mean, it would it could be in the same

1066
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:21,680
meeting. We just flip from one meeting

1067
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,079
to another.

1068
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:23,760
>> You have to have a separate agenda. So,

1069
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,839
you'd have a a redevelopment agency

1070
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:27,440
agenda that' be separate from yours.

1071
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,960
You'd say, "Okay, now we're reconvening

1072
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,599
that redevelopment agency or the the

1073
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,640
community reinvestment agency

1074
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,720
council." Now, the ordinance talks about

1075
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,920
the powers that that body would have,

1076
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,400
those powers are limited and subject to

1077
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,440
the council's powers, right?

1078
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,640
>> Uh they

1079
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,280
so uh if you want to create a project

1080
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,760
area, the city council still has to take

1081
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,720
action.

1082
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,400
>> You have to approve that as a city

1083
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,880
council as well. So there are certain

1084
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,880
authorities that the agency has that are

1085
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,560
simply by the agency and there are

1086
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,000
certain things that the agency can't do

1087
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,079
without the approval of the city.

1088
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,640
>> So but there are they're they're

1089
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,480
outlined in the in the statute what you

1090
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,760
can do and what you can't do.

1091
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,839
>> But hypothetically

1092
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:15,760
the mayor not acting as mayor but acting

1093
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,000
as the chair of a CRA couldn't do

1094
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,359
something that would supersede her

1095
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:21,680
powers over council

1096
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,760
not acting as the CRA, right? like we're

1097
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,280
we don't run into a situation where like

1098
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,880
the mayor could go be like, I'm going to

1099
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,960
designate this as the chair and do this

1100
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,480
thing and the council's like, "Oh, well,

1101
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,079
we don't have the power to stop that."

1102
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,960
>> Yeah. Because you as a board would be

1103
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,200
the decision.

1104
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:37,520
>> Yeah.

1105
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,560
>> Well, I vote same as

1106
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,680
same

1107
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,200
>> and I probably don't have a vote either

1108
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,640
then.

1109
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,560
>> Do you? I don't I don't know because now

1110
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,640
I only get a tie vote. Is that the

1111
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,390
similar with the seat?

1112
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,800
I think it would be

1113
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,359
decide that

1114
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:58,790
>> I think you can

1115
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,520
» go check your cities and see

1116
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,280
>> I think that would be a choice.

1117
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,480
>> I think you're right.

1118
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,480
>> So then the process assuming you want to

1119
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,400
create a project area you would come

1120
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,200
back as early as the 20th 6 you want to

1121
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,040
hold a special meeting which I assume

1122
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,520
you would not want to do. uh that at

1123
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,880
that meeting you create a survey

1124
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,359
resolution and this is basically saying

1125
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:23,359
here are the geographic boundaries we're

1126
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:25,440
thinking of creating a project area

1127
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,760
again that action doesn't bind you to do

1128
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,440
anything it just says we are

1129
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,280
contemplating that this area this

1130
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,079
geography here this boundary we may do

1131
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,480
tax increment so please prepare a

1132
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,640
project area plan that describes what it

1133
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,640
is you're going to do in there and then

1134
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,400
that will ultimately have to have a

1135
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,560
public hearing before the board uh to

1136
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,880
approve that public hearing, excuse me,

1137
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,720
approve that draft project area plan.

1138
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,800
That's that's shown on uh the date of

1139
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,480
917 on the calendar that you have.

1140
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,119
Obviously, that have to move uh since

1141
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,720
we're kind of pushing everything out a

1142
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,040
little bit. Uh there's a 30-day notice

1143
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,119
period before you could hold a public

1144
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:09,359
hearing. So, before 9:17, you'd have to

1145
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:10,960
have a 30-day notice. So, that's going

1146
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,280
to push that obviously into your like an

1147
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,240
October meeting for that So the the

1148
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,960
major steps are a survey resolution that

1149
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,520
says let's create a project area plan to

1150
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,119
describe what's going to happen. Then

1151
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:24,880
you have a noticing for the public

1152
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,920
hearing for that plan. Uh and then once

1153
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,839
you hold that public hearing, you can

1154
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,960
then take action and adopt that project

1155
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,280
area plan. And then city council also

1156
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,800
has to adopt an ordinance that approves

1157
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,040
that plan. Then once you have that in

1158
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,920
place, then you have something to act on

1159
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,760
and you can go to the different taxing

1160
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,599
entities and say, "Hey, we want to

1161
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,920
solicit your involvement. We want to

1162
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,160
solicit that you will provide tax

1163
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,240
increment to this project and you have

1164
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,160
to negotiate individually with each of

1165
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,280
the taxes,

1166
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,400
>> but they don't have to be the same. They

1167
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,599
can pick

1168
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,520
>> they can pick their percentage and a

1169
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,599
different length of time." The plan will

1170
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,839
say, "Hey, we're contemplating a 20 year

1171
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:08,320
project area." So that would kind of set

1172
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,599
the outer boundary, but they could come

1173
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:10,880
back and say, "Hey, we only want to do

1174
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,400
five years or we want to do all the way

1175
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,720
to 20 or whatever that

1176
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,560
>> and everybody inside of that has to

1177
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,000
agree to it, right?"

1178
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,320
>> So you'd have individual interlocal

1179
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,000
agreements with each of those taxing

1180
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,240
entities. So with the city, you know,

1181
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,800
the agency to the city, agency to the

1182
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,560
school district to the county to

1183
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,760
mosquito abatement district to fire

1184
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,640
water.

1185
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,560
>> What's the average cost to a city to to

1186
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,000
just even set this up? Because I mean

1187
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,359
that's all a lot of work. Somebody's

1188
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:38,720
gonna have to draft this.

1189
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:39,200
>> Yes.

1190
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,640
>> For I just barely sent the mayor a scope

1191
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,359
of work and it's 29,500.

1192
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:45,680
Okay.

1193
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,040
>> To do all all that.

1194
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,560
>> That's every in our local agreement that

1195
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,400
covers all of it. Anything we do. So I

1196
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,359
have another question. Um the city the

1197
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:55,599
taxpayers pay for us to do what we're

1198
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:57,280
doing right now and they pay per

1199
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,960
meeting. You know they like you're paid

1200
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:59,839
if you don't show up for a meeting

1201
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:00,800
you're not paid for that meeting. That

1202
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,760
type of thing. So, are are they paying

1203
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,720
us as board members separately? Are they

1204
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,400
using city funds that they're paying for

1205
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,839
city council members to pay board

1206
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:12,079
members or is it an additional meeting?

1207
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:13,280
Like, how does that work?

1208
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,280
>> Right now, there's no you don't have you

1209
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,400
don't have a policy that says anything

1210
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,119
because you haven't created the agency.

1211
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:20,640
>> So, that would be up to us basically.

1212
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,240
I'm just curious if the taxpayers are

1213
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:23,839
going to foot a bill for us to do a

1214
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:24,960
different action and wear a different

1215
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,920
hat um in an additional meeting or any

1216
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,000
meetings that we're taking for this if

1217
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,680
they were in addition to what we do as

1218
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,640
city council members.

1219
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,760
>> You could choose that.

1220
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:34,400
>> Yeah.

1221
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,920
>> So,

1222
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,400
>> that's going to cost 29,500.

1223
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Yes. And we haven't uh I mean we just

1224
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,680
did our budget. We didn't put anything

1225
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,640
in there.

1226
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,240
>> That's just what I was going to ask. But

1227
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,440
we can include this in with the costs

1228
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,800
for the CRA as far as I understand that

1229
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,200
can be an expense. So if we create this

1230
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,000
CRA board and the taxing entities say

1231
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000
they will then that can be an expense

1232
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,880
that is included. So this wouldn't be a

1233
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,079
budget item per se. It would come out of

1234
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,200
the CRA.

1235
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,040
>> What if one way you have to

1236
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,480
>> so out of the increment?

1237
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,960
>> Yes. Out of the increment that

1238
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:13,520
>> yes

1239
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,200
>> but what if we don't create the CRA? I

1240
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,040
mean you still have to do the work.

1241
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,800
Well, if you don't create the CRA, then

1242
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,720
the scope of work stops.

1243
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,000
>> Yeah. We wouldn't charge

1244
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480
>> then then we're we we pay it. I think it

1245
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,710
was

1246
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,160
» if you just if you like tonight, let's

1247
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,800
say you adopt it. We're not going to

1248
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,440
charge you 29,500. If you say that's the

1249
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,960
only thing we're going to do, we just

1250
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,400
say it took us a couple hours.

1251
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,400
>> We have donuts out.

1252
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,839
>> If there's chocolate milk, then probably

1253
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,119
we'd be all right. If not, then I'm

1254
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,440
going to send you a kid. You know, one

1255
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,720
thing I was going to mention, I thought

1256
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:49,920
of when you was saying that, you know,

1257
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,520
you talk about the different entities. I

1258
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,760
know, for example, Weaver Sewer District

1259
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,760
said they will only approve to partner

1260
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,920
with the CRA if either the school

1261
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,680
district buys in or the um Weber County

1262
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,520
and so that and I don't know, you were

1263
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,119
involved with the fire district when

1264
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:08,800
they did some were they similar to that?

1265
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,920
They wanted

1266
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,920
>> very very restrictive on what they're

1267
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,480
going to approve in the future.

1268
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,720
>> The fire rush project the possibly one.

1269
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:19,200
>> So,

1270
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,560
>> how big was that?

1271
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,990
>> Uh, it was a 20 year

1272
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,680
75%

1273
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,599
>> it was it was a large one. I can't

1274
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:33,839
remember how many million I said it but

1275
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:35,839
one

1276
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,359
bar.

1277
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,839
So I think it would have to be you know

1278
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:42,240
we decide if we even want to do this or

1279
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,560
not and then we then we go to those

1280
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,319
entities and then it's up to them and if

1281
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:49,200
any of the entities say no or at least

1282
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,680
not the school district or the you know

1283
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,200
we county

1284
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,240
>> then yeah because

1285
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,599
>> the county and the school district are

1286
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:56,319
the two biggie

1287
00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:57,599
>> biggies

1288
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,040
>> but I'll give you like for example when

1289
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,800
they are just doing that big America

1290
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,119
first project with Riverdale I can't

1291
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,640
remember now which one did they were

1292
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,560
surprised they didn't get both of them

1293
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,079
But one of them did and one of them that

1294
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:09,839
did the other one didn't.

1295
00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:11,040
>> So what they do?

1296
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,520
>> Well, they're still moving forward, but

1297
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,760
they have they have a little more sales

1298
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,240
tax base in River City than

1299
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,119
>> we do here in a little bit.

1300
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,319
>> Yeah. You don't have to have every

1301
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:24,880
entity approved. which means that if you

1302
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,520
don't have it then

1303
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,880
you're limited on what?

1304
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,119
>> So why do we want

1305
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:32,960
>> I I've heard us have the discussion like

1306
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,599
when Terara Strada came around. Uh but

1307
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,200
they had said like they would kind of go

1308
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,960
do this and it would be like the project

1309
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,520
based type thing. Why do we want to do

1310
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,040
this ahead of time? I know. I know we've

1311
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,960
been pretty split as a city on whether

1312
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,760
or not we even want to use this type of

1313
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,520
thing if we want to strap people to

1314
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,200
this. Um because it's going to be the

1315
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,480
future home builders and the people who

1316
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,720
are going to own this land that kind of

1317
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,800
foot the bill for this, right?

1318
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,079
>> They'll pay the same property tax

1319
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:01,920
they've always paid. It'll just be it'll

1320
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,920
divert the tax effect.

1321
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:04,640
>> That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

1322
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,000
>> So, it's not like they're

1323
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,079
>> they're not getting an increase, but the

1324
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:09,520
future tax revenue is going to go to

1325
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,040
this. It's going to go to to this type

1326
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,640
of development thing. But it's talking

1327
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,040
future development. It's the boundary we

1328
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,160
create

1329
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:16,960
>> in that area.

1330
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,800
>> Yeah. All the the future earnings of

1331
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,680
that. Yeah.

1332
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,440
>> Yeah. So you create the boundary and

1333
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,200
those people in that boundary start

1334
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,680
diverting their tax money into the C.

1335
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:26,079
>> Yeah.

1336
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,800
>> So all of them so whoever buys up on it,

1337
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,200
whether it's the fire, the school, the

1338
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,440
county, whatever, all of that property

1339
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,440
tax revenue gets diverted into this.

1340
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,880
>> But it's above.

1341
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,960
>> It's the incremental increase. is the is

1342
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,000
the increase.

1343
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,599
>> It's not current. If we if there wasn't

1344
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:44,880
an increase then

1345
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,680
>> there wouldn't be any

1346
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,680
>> there would be no increment there.

1347
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,319
>> Right. I guess my question is like I

1348
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:53,760
understood the the discussion around

1349
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,000
tying it to a specific project that we

1350
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,800
might want.

1351
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,200
>> Yes.

1352
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,119
>> But why just do it to do it if we don't

1353
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:01,200
have a project that we want to tie it

1354
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,000
to?

1355
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,800
>> So this this assumes that you are

1356
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,119
contemplating like a terrorist.

1357
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:08,880
>> Yeah. If you're if you're as a city

1358
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,240
saying, "Look, we're not doing that

1359
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,480
project," then you can create this. You

1360
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,920
can create the agency if you'd like, but

1361
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,240
then it's just going to sit there

1362
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:16,800
>> until we need it

1363
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,440
>> until you need.

1364
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,560
>> And I'm not saying we're not considering

1365
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,920
the project. I just don't know that

1366
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,400
we've made a determinative

1367
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,119
decision that we would entertain that

1368
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:26,560
one of I mean, it's been up for

1369
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,560
discussion on whether or not we want to

1370
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,560
send them to find other alternatives, on

1371
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,480
whether or not we even agree. You know

1372
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,079
what I'm saying? So I I'm just curious

1373
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:35,920
of I feel like this is kind of cart

1374
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,599
before the horse and so I'm curious of

1375
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,520
like is there advisement on why a city

1376
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,280
would do this ahead of time if we're not

1377
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,880
even sure we haven't decided as a group

1378
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,240
that this is something we want to do in

1379
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:44,800
the first place.

1380
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,800
>> Yeah. So I would say the first step of

1381
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,280
creating the agency is is fairly benign

1382
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,280
and so I'd recommend that you do that

1383
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,359
but in terms of hey do we want to move

1384
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:56,079
forward with the proposal from terrorist

1385
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,560
that's what this is I mean this isn't a

1386
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,760
vacuum that's for

1387
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,800
>> yeah I want to call it what it is

1388
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,280
>> that's assuming that's what it's for

1389
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,920
then you know you can wait until you say

1390
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,839
we are now ready

1391
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:10,640
>> and as a city to

1392
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,200
form that specific project area and once

1393
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,400
you do that the other thing I would

1394
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,119
suggest

1395
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,280
So this business aside is that you say

1396
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,040
to them part of your development

1397
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,319
agreement is going to be that you're

1398
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:22,880
going to pay this cost upfront to create

1399
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,560
the agency and then you'll get

1400
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,160
reimbursed through tax increment over

1401
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,880
time. That way it's them putting forward

1402
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,440
their money to create this and it gives

1403
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,040
them an incentive to

1404
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,119
>> to help you get it done. They mean they

1405
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:36,880
already have incentive because it's they

1406
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,720
want to get that relief.

1407
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,160
>> I just wanted to clarify I was getting

1408
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,000
familiar with the code. So this boundary

1409
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,680
right here, this isn't the project

1410
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,599
boundary.

1411
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,839
>> When I saw that, I was just I was I was

1412
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:48,560
the whole city.

1413
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,520
>> I was curious to see what reason you

1414
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:52,240
would do that. So

1415
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,720
>> almost

1416
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,520
halfway supposed to be coin with the

1417
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,079
receipt.

1418
00:47:58,079 --> 00:47:58,880
>> Got it.

1419
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,560
>> So help me understand the 295 again. If

1420
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,480
we adopt it tonight and approve it,

1421
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,880
>> we're not going to pay that 295.

1422
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,520
>> No. Right away. We're just paying what?

1423
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,480
>> But we'll just pay an hourly for coming

1424
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,280
here.

1425
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,560
>> And then if I'm just throwing out terra

1426
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,079
then if we do something with them, then

1427
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,800
that's when we uh need to worry about

1428
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,359
paying that 295 and then we get them to

1429
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:28,559
help pay or whatever.

1430
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,079
>> We can build that into the project.

1431
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,319
>> Okay. All right. That's that's what I

1432
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:32,720
>> Yes.

1433
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,520
>> Uh I don't see spending 295 right now.

1434
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,559
It's just gonna

1435
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,400
All right. Okay. I just wanted to be

1436
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:40,880
clear.

1437
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,800
>> Yeah. And I and I would very much say to

1438
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,960
Terra, hey, we're ready to go fight the

1439
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,800
battle with you. So, here's the first

1440
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,800
thing you do. You know, cover our costs

1441
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,200
to create this. You'll get reimbursed if

1442
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,079
it goes through. If

1443
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:54,720
>> it doesn't go through, they pay it.

1444
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:55,839
Typical language.

1445
00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:57,520
>> Yes. Absolutely. They would still pay

1446
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,280
it. It's part of their

1447
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,800
>> their risk.

1448
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,440
>> Yeah. Because it benefits you, but it

1449
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,760
really benefits them directly, right? It

1450
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,000
benefits the city because you provide

1451
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,079
goods and services that the community

1452
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:10,960
needs. But

1453
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,040
>> so there's not a ton of risk to get that

1454
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,520
put together to the city.

1455
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,119
>> No, if you can just ask them to Okay.

1456
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:20,880
>> Well, just a little clarification too

1457
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,079
because we've been talking about this

1458
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,319
just so everyone understands. People

1459
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:25,839
say, "Oh, this is going to cost so

1460
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:27,440
much." But like Darren said, no, it's

1461
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,079
the increase. So if you the property tax

1462
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,160
on that now that land that's in green

1463
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,000
belt and maybe they pay just to make

1464
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,079
even numbers 2,000 maybe the value of it

1465
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,319
>> by the time no but then by the time if

1466
00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:42,880
you have this a development there could

1467
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,440
be 200,000

1468
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,400
>> so so they're only taxing on that

1469
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,920
>> difference because if we don't do

1470
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,760
anything at all was what is why the

1471
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,680
school board weap county everybody buys

1472
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,520
into it because they know ultimately

1473
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,440
they're going to get a lot more money

1474
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,280
because if that sits like it is, they

1475
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,200
get hardly any. If it develops into

1476
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,400
this, they

1477
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,079
>> That's their incentive basically. That's

1478
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:05,760
their incentive. The school board, the

1479
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,920
fire board, all those districts

1480
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,000
immediately start providing services in

1481
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,079
that area. And if we divert this money

1482
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,319
for 10 years or 20 years or 30 years,

1483
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:16,480
they don't get a dime of that until that

1484
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,480
contract is over with. So, they're

1485
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,800
already providing services. The school's

1486
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,960
paying for kids to go to their schools,

1487
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,160
but they're not getting the money

1488
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,680
immediately for it until

1489
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,480
>> Well, they still do. They still get 50%.

1490
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,400
Yeah. Most most of them won't do any

1491
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,040
more than

1492
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,240
>> increase or

1493
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,119
>> they would be getting

1494
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:34,160
>> beginning of the percentage of the

1495
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:34,720
split.

1496
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,480
>> Small percentage of the split.

1497
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,240
>> It's like 50. Most of them now won't do

1498
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,720
any less than 50%. So they're still

1499
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,160
getting every bit of tax they had on

1500
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,880
that 2,000 to begin with. Now all of a

1501
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,920
sudden they're getting 50% of that

1502
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,359
180,000.

1503
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:53,920
>> Providing full services to do it. So, if

1504
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,960
they're willing to do it,

1505
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,640
because I don't know a ton about this

1506
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,559
stuff, be honest with you. I don't know

1507
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:04,079
a ton, but I do believe that if they're

1508
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:08,160
willing to do it, their people know that

1509
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,920
they're going to get the money because

1510
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,240
there is no way they would do it if they

1511
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,599
weren't going to get paid back.

1512
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,040
I mean they don't get paid back

1513
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,880
percentage now and then full percentage

1514
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,960
in 20 or 30 years whenever the contract

1515
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,000
is roll back for it.

1516
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,760
>> No, but they're going to come further

1517
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,680
ahead

1518
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,000
in the future if they didn't do it at

1519
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:32,400
all.

1520
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,760
>> Somebody's still got to provide for

1521
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,720
current services. You know, schools cost

1522
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:39,280
100% on day one. They don't cost 50% on

1523
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,200
day one. So somebody's still got to make

1524
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,280
up for that lack of 50%. Yeah.

1525
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,800
>> But they should have gotten without the

1526
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,480
CRA,

1527
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,000
>> right? So that's where does that money

1528
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:48,240
come?

1529
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,599
>> That's my thing that I I have a hard

1530
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:51,280
time wrapping my head around with these

1531
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,760
is just specific. I mean it it feels

1532
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,839
like a fake thing. It feels like we're

1533
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:57,920
making up a way to print money to serve

1534
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,079
a process. And so this is where I have

1535
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,000
the hard time.

1536
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,520
It's like like paying a girl to go on a

1537
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,200
date with you. It's like begging her,

1538
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,520
right? Like we're like why am I begging

1539
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,440
Smiths to come out here and let us spend

1540
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,160
our money with them? Why am I begging a

1541
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,240
developer to come build houses out here?

1542
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,319
Like don't do they not want to you know

1543
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:21,760
what I mean? So why are we giving them

1544
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,160
half of our future earnings uh to be

1545
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,240
able to make financing easier for them

1546
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,319
to come out here? And so that's kind of

1547
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:29,839
my question on this whole thing.

1548
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:32,000
>> Created the rule to do so because

1549
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,839
>> yeah I know they can do it but my

1550
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:35,839
question is like

1551
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:38,400
is is you know am I that ugly? you don't

1552
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,440
want to come out here. You know what I'm

1553
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,480
saying? Like why you don't want to come

1554
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,000
do business with us on your own dime?

1555
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,280
>> Well, I think if if you look at the

1556
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,440
policy that you guys that we created

1557
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,079
with you, we're very specific that you

1558
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,160
need to have a but for argument, right?

1559
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,040
Which is

1560
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,000
>> but for us providing this increment, you

1561
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:54,880
won't come.

1562
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:55,200
>> Yeah.

1563
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,440
>> And in this case, what is that but for

1564
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,520
argument? I think it is this it's the

1565
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,960
sewer lift station.

1566
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,079
>> That's what I'm wondering. Have they

1567
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:04,160
satisfied an answer to that?

1568
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,760
>> That's that's what we've heard so far. I

1569
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,839
mean, we we clearly know that they that

1570
00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:10,319
needed in order for a development like

1571
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:12,400
that to happen. Whether it's them or

1572
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,319
it's somebody else, someone's going to

1573
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:17,119
have to provide that real estation.

1574
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:18,960
Is it the city? Is it going to be on the

1575
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,960
back of the developer? It's

1576
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,720
>> who's it going to be? And so when you

1577
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,960
ask that question, it's a very valid

1578
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,760
question, but for that sewer station

1579
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:28,960
going in,

1580
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,480
>> probably not going to get a Smith or

1581
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,640
anything like it until that problem is

1582
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,520
solved. So, this is a way for you as a

1583
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,680
city to say, "Hey, we'd love to see that

1584
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,520
development. We'd love for you for that

1585
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,960
girl to ask you out instead of you

1586
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,480
asking her, right?" But

1587
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,640
>> until that happens, we're probably not

1588
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,319
going to see anything like that. And,

1589
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:47,920
you know, it's it's a meaningful sales

1590
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,240
tax generator, which is very beneficial

1591
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:50,880
to you.

1592
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:51,359
>> Yeah.

1593
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:53,520
>> Um, but that's probably how I would

1594
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,160
answer that.

1595
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,200
>> And we can use anything that comes from

1596
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,559
the CRA to anything that benefits like

1597
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,480
we've got a fourth main we've got to

1598
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,240
It's a million dollars and we could

1599
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,960
divert some of that CRA money to pay for

1600
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:07,520
that as well.

1601
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,480
>> If it benefits the project, it's got to

1602
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,280
go. We're going to do the project.

1603
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,440
>> So, even little businesses over there,

1604
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,119
>> you know, right now we don't have a way

1605
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:21,359
to even accommodate them. There's no way

1606
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:22,640
we're going to get any commercial in

1607
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,400
that unless we do something, right?

1608
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,760
>> That's correct. But have we heard

1609
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,599
definitively that Terara Strata will not

1610
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,640
come if we if that if we don't put in a

1611
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,359
fix the lure uh the sewer lift station

1612
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:34,960
conversation because that's the other

1613
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,880
thing I remember when they were not here

1614
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,599
long ago and they actually were leaning

1615
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:41,200
a little more towards kicking in on that

1616
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,520
sewer lift station. And so it's like are

1617
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,920
we at the point where we've negotiated

1618
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,680
enough that we understand that they are

1619
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,680
saying we will not entertain this if you

1620
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,520
don't do that. That's my question too.

1621
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,920
like I don't want to just be so thirsty

1622
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,400
and assumptive that I need them so bad

1623
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,599
that I'm willing to do this.

1624
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,119
>> It's in the developers agreement from

1625
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:00,720
the planning commission.

1626
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,960
>> They they basically said Cooper City

1627
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,200
will provide the infrastructure

1628
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,720
>> to do the development. They're not

1629
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,559
buying anymore.

1630
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:10,000
>> And it's a lot more than just a lift

1631
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,680
station. It's a lot more than just a

1632
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:12,079
lift station.

1633
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:13,680
>> They want infrastructure provided by the

1634
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,000
city or

1635
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,280
>> I mean we can't afford to put an air

1636
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:17,920
conditioner.

1637
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,200
>> That wasn't the initial DA was there.

1638
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,440
any clarity on that?

1639
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,280
>> They they felt like they wanted to leave

1640
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,800
it broad so that you could have

1641
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,640
discussion about what you would or

1642
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,720
wouldn't include. They didn't want to

1643
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,040
>> they didn't want us

1644
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,920
to get some contributions.

1645
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,599
>> That is what they have said though for a

1646
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,680
while for at least the last little while

1647
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:40,240
that they're

1648
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:41,280
>> so they want us to provide the

1649
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,160
infrastructure.

1650
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,920
>> So a little bit with you're probably all

1651
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,599
aware of this when developments do come

1652
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,520
to cities one thing is CRA can only play

1653
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,559
for commercial. So we are having if we

1654
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,720
do this we are having other taxing

1655
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,200
entities other in Weber County helping

1656
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,760
pay for infrastructure for something for

1657
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,359
Hooper that we aren't putting on the

1658
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:02,000
backs of our residents. If not if this

1659
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,480
was all completely houses the developer

1660
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,640
and when we say a developer pays that's

1661
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,160
just coming out of one side of the mouth

1662
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,000
because the money is coming out of the

1663
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,440
residents

1664
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,680
>> they're the ones that are paying no one

1665
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,960
is paying it's going to be the

1666
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,200
residents. A lot of times when they go

1667
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,079
to cities too is cities give up a lot.

1668
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,240
They give up a lot of sales tax base.

1669
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:23,920
They have a lot of incentives for

1670
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,599
businesses to come. Hooper, we have no

1671
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,079
we we don't have anything to give.

1672
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:32,799
>> We we we don't have money we can give. I

1673
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:34,480
don't feel like we should be giving up

1674
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,119
sales tax because I feel like we need

1675
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,119
every bit of sales tax that we are going

1676
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:42,640
to get. So my thinking was this is why

1677
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,119
don't why don't we try? Yes. Well, we we

1678
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:46,480
don't know if the school district is

1679
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,319
going to buy in. We don't know if Wever

1680
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:50,319
County is going to. But if we just sit

1681
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:52,160
back and do nothing, we will never ever

1682
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:52,960
know. That's true.

1683
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,480
>> If you don't ever call that girl, you'll

1684
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,680
never know if she thinks you're the

1685
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,520
cutest guy or she doesn't want to go out

1686
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:58,720
with you.

1687
00:56:58,720 --> 00:56:59,920
>> So, my thinking was

1688
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:00,720
>> my analogy.

1689
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,440
>> If the first step is we just decide,

1690
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,520
okay, let let's create this district.

1691
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,000
>> Let's go explore it. And and my thinking

1692
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,079
with this is and without knowing exactly

1693
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,480
what the terrorist strata group is

1694
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,760
thinking, I think that for sure the lift

1695
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,319
station should be in the CRA and the

1696
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:21,280
force main because those are $3 million

1697
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,720
plus of expenses that Hooper City has.

1698
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,240
And all along we've said, well, it's

1699
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,000
okay. It's okay. Someone else come and

1700
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,240
pay for this lift station. But we've had

1701
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,319
residents along 4700 that have been

1702
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:34,559
paying for a sewer now for a couple of

1703
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,359
decades and it has never ever came.

1704
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:39,200
>> So when is it finally the city's

1705
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,799
responsibility?

1706
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:43,040
>> 20 years. The sewer's been here 20 years

1707
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,200
in Hooern now and they've been paying

1708
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,359
that because they hooked up to the fee

1709
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:48,720
when they did because they said if you

1710
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,079
hook up now it's going to be less

1711
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,559
expensive and it and it is but they've

1712
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,200
still been paying for 20 years. So, when

1713
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,280
as a city do we finally say, "Okay, wait

1714
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,680
a minute. We are a city." I mean, we

1715
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,520
have a couple of of things we're going

1716
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,760
to talk about tonight that we need money

1717
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,240
for that we don't have. So, when are we

1718
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,680
going to finally look at the overall

1719
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,280
picture and say we have got to start

1720
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,040
having some commercial businesses here

1721
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,200
in Her or we are not going to stay

1722
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,160
solvent as a city. And if we could try

1723
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,480
this, I don't know if we will or not.

1724
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,559
I've sat in those um sewer district

1725
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:22,160
meetings. I've now sat in the fire

1726
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,079
district meetings. I've listened to

1727
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:25,760
them. I don't know if they will or not,

1728
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,839
but I can absolutely tell you they won't

1729
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:29,119
do it if we don't even go to them and

1730
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:29,440
ask.

1731
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,160
>> That's true.

1732
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,359
>> We we we won't even know.

1733
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:32,400
>> So, we don't have anything to lose till

1734
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:32,799
we go to

1735
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:34,000
>> That's what I think. We don't have

1736
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,520
anything to lose, especially if we

1737
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,319
>> If they say no, then we go back to the

1738
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:40,880
developer and say, "Look, we've tried."

1739
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,280
I I'm I have never been and these could

1740
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,280
be fine. I get a little bit anxious when

1741
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,839
we do additional tax just onto the homes

1742
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:50,160
that are being built in there. I I feel

1743
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,319
more uncomfortable with that than I do

1744
00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:54,720
with CRA when we can get some of these

1745
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,040
other taxing entities that will help.

1746
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,640
>> So, I mean, there's other developers

1747
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,720
that are going to benefit from this lift

1748
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,319
station on 4700 West. Doug Hamlin is

1749
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:06,240
sitting there chomping at the bit,

1750
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,240
waiting for us to pay for a lift station

1751
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,079
so we can take advantage of it. It's

1752
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:11,200
like, why don't we go to these

1753
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,359
developers and say, you know what, you

1754
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:14,960
need to buy in, you need to buy in, and

1755
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,960
you need to buy in so we can build this

1756
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,280
and then you'll benefit from it. us

1757
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,839
paying for it and then they get the

1758
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:22,480
benefits.

1759
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,680
>> But but we wouldn't be paying for it

1760
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,000
with the CRA other than our 50%

1761
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,760
increment if and I think that's in our

1762
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,160
policy what we said. But but if Doug

1763
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,040
Hamlin builds those houses who pays so

1764
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,160
if his lot now instead of 350,000 for

1765
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,280
the lot is 390,000 to pay for that lift

1766
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,160
station. Who pays? Our residents. and we

1767
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,920
are here saying we want you to come

1768
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,240
because we need some young families or

1769
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,680
we're trying to do moderate income

1770
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,480
housing but you also have to pay this $3

1771
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,359
million right off the top before you

1772
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:55,200
ever do other and there's lots of other

1773
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,200
infrastructure too but I don't know that

1774
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,319
I would be agreeable that

1775
00:59:58,319 --> 01:00:00,079
>> so who's who's paid for all of this in

1776
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,240
the past if you think of all the

1777
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,400
developers that's come in who has paid

1778
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,799
>> all our residents

1779
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:09,599
>> but they what the developer did is he

1780
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,400
sold an improved lot right And if you

1781
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,240
could afford the improved lot,

1782
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,960
>> then you bought it.

1783
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,280
>> So So to that point, that's my question.

1784
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,520
Like Terra Strada project isn't just

1785
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,160
commercial. It's commercial with a bunch

1786
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:24,720
of houses.

1787
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,680
>> Yeah.

1788
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,440
And

1789
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,720
it's requirement to have certain amount

1790
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:29,359
of housing.

1791
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:30,720
>> No, no, I understand that. But I'm

1792
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,440
saying like the the company is going to

1793
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,480
benefit

1794
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:35,920
>> from selling all those houses. They're

1795
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,920
going to make money on that, right? And

1796
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,000
so this sewer lift station, like we

1797
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,760
can't do a CRA unless there's a comm

1798
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,000
commercial benefit, but it's kind of

1799
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,520
disingenuous because this commercial

1800
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,040
isn't the only one using the sewer lift

1801
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,319
station. All those new houses are going

1802
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:49,920
to use the sewer lift station and all

1803
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,960
those new houses are going to be

1804
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,440
improved lots and all those new houses

1805
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,880
are going to offset. So it's like we'll

1806
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,040
pay for the residents will pay for the

1807
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:00,559
sewer lift station that will allow you

1808
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:01,680
to build a bunch of houses you're going

1809
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,920
to sell and make millions of dollars on.

1810
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,920
And yes, there's a grocery store

1811
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,520
connected to it. We're using that as the

1812
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,640
avenue to this divert this future thing,

1813
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,520
right? So, so I understand the whole

1814
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,079
like we need commercial growth, but it's

1815
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:18,559
like let's take out of this guy's pocket

1816
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,640
to line it over to this guy's pocket.

1817
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,319
And that's what I don't understand like

1818
01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:24,000
why that's the answer. If it it was just

1819
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,760
a grocery store, if we were going, hey,

1820
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,720
we want a grocery store here. um the and

1821
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,079
we have to do this and the grocery

1822
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:31,280
store's future earnings are going to

1823
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,799
help offset the cost of this and it's

1824
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:34,480
going to pay for it. But we're also

1825
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,799
selling hundreds of houses behind that are going to use that sewer lift

1826
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:39,920
station that are going to put the burden

1827
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,599
on the system in the first place that

1828
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:44,960
need it. So I don't understand why can

1829
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,319
do we have the ability to say well yeah

1830
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:50,240
we have to have a commercial entity to

1831
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,280
do a CRA. So therefore the commercial

1832
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,520
entity is the only one that can benefit

1833
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,400
from the sewer impact and you need to

1834
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,920
carry your portion on the houses.

1835
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:01,760
>> The houses have an impact to is that

1836
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,640
what you're saying

1837
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,240
>> something I mean some offset some

1838
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,640
contribution have an impact.

1839
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,200
>> Yeah. It's just to me it seems like it's

1840
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:10,880
like we're saying one thing and maybe

1841
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,240
it's my lack of understanding on the

1842
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,920
process, but it seems like we're saying

1843
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,000
one thing, but we're also finding a way

1844
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,400
to divert future earnings that would

1845
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,559
belong to the city to pay for a sewer

1846
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,400
system that's supposedly to get a

1847
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,839
grocery store, but it also gets somebody

1848
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:25,200
to be able to build hundreds of houses.

1849
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,520
Like there's inadvertently a benefit to

1850
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:28,400
the houses.

1851
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,000
>> Ultimately, you're diverting public

1852
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,920
money to pay for private development.

1853
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:32,880
>> Yeah.

1854
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,119
And that I have a like I I have a

1855
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:36,640
categorical problem with that. But

1856
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,559
again, it's Weaver County. Sorry, it's

1857
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:40,480
Weaver County res. I mean, it's not just

1858
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:41,520
Hooper. Yeah.

1859
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,839
>> So, it will be additional because how

1860
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:45,760
many of you work at and will work at the

1861
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,119
America First is being built on

1862
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:48,319
Riverdale Road.

1863
01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:48,799
>> Yeah.

1864
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:49,839
>> Maybe none of you.

1865
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:51,680
>> Well, it's almost similar to fire

1866
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:52,880
station. We're getting a fire station

1867
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,799
built in Hooper, but the whole county is

1868
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:56,079
paying for the fire station, not just

1869
01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:56,880
Hooker Road.

1870
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,400
>> Yeah. But to that argument, I mean, the

1871
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,599
government does tons of things that I

1872
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,040
disagree with. It doesn't mean therefore

1873
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,799
I should also agree to do it.

1874
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:04,319
>> Yeah. I mean, the other thing we

1875
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:06,720
proposed originally to terra was that

1876
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,799
they form a pit and put it on their own

1877
01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:10,880
backs which is have an assessment of

1878
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,599
bond or or an additional tax that is

1879
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:17,119
only on their property. Um and you know

1880
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:18,799
Stuart was kind of like no I'm not doing

1881
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:19,119
that.

1882
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:19,599
>> Sure.

1883
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:21,039
>> Which which is fine but it's like

1884
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:22,640
>> wouldn't want to do that.

1885
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,160
>> Yeah. But it's almost like what I would

1886
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,000
rather have is for all the citizens of

1887
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,359
the county and the school district and

1888
01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:29,280
the city to give us their tax money

1889
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,599
rather than us putting on our backs. I

1890
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:33,119
don't I don't appreciate that comment

1891
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:34,319
because I think it's a little bit

1892
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:37,440
disingenuous. Because you know like if

1893
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,280
you really want to come here then you

1894
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,799
should be willing to

1895
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:42,799
>> that's what I think it would also be all

1896
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:44,240
those residents too though all those

1897
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,720
houses with the pit each one of them end

1898
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,640
up getting that added on to them

1899
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,880
>> and I don't feel good about adding that

1900
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,200
additional onto all those residents.

1901
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,480
>> The other comment I would make there is

1902
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,200
that housing is market driven. So, you

1903
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,440
know, if I live outside of the P and I

1904
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,680
my neighborhood is inside of it, you

1905
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,119
can't sell those lots for different

1906
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:06,799
amounts.

1907
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:08,720
>> Like, you could you could try.

1908
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:09,200
>> Yeah.

1909
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:09,920
>> But like

1910
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:10,960
>> the comparative analysis,

1911
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,480
>> but they're going to be like that one's

1912
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,640
30,000 more than this one across the

1913
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,720
street. I think I'll buy this one across

1914
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,319
the street. Right. Like there's no

1915
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:20,319
difference. The same lot size, the same

1916
01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:22,720
like amenities, right? So, what that

1917
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,640
means is that the developer has to

1918
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,680
reduce his profit margin and he's

1919
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:28,640
unwilling to do that.

1920
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,400
>> How many how many residents do we have

1921
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,760
right now that are tied into West

1922
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,359
Haven's line that West Haven wants us

1923
01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:33,760
off?

1924
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,280
>> Oh, you know what? I I actually brought

1925
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,640
all that information because I was going

1926
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,960
to talk about it when we get to that on

1927
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,240
the agenda tonight.

1928
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,039
>> We can go later.

1929
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,839
>> So, we but we can talk about it now. I'm

1930
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:45,599
happy to give you all that information

1931
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:48,079
because I actually brought it because I

1932
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:50,640
thought that's something that we would

1933
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,079
need to know. So the nine the there

1934
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:56,720
currently well this is the last time we

1935
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,480
counted so there could have been some

1936
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,200
more houses that have gone on since then

1937
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,240
but it it was originally signed in O2

1938
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,880
and we were allotted to have 300 homes

1939
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,880
that connected to it. Then in 2004

1940
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,039
they let us and we had a 600 home cap.

1941
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,599
Well the last billing that they had

1942
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:19,760
actually done an exact accounting that

1943
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,880
we did we gave to them. It said we had

1944
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:27,599
975 homes and that was in 2023.

1945
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,240
So there could possibly be and I but I

1946
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,319
can only think a handful that have been

1947
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:32,640
built.

1948
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:33,599
>> There hasn't been a lot of buildings.

1949
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:37,920
>> No. So that went from a cap of 600 in

1950
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,079
2004 and along with that we were

1951
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:41,599
supposed to have been paying a hookup

1952
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:45,359
fee every single time and right on this

1953
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:47,359
schedule that was made um with our

1954
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:51,599
previous financial um person. They had

1955
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:53,680
zero homes was paying that connection

1956
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,079
fee and we were supposed to have been

1957
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:58,319
paying maintenance and we have paid zero

1958
01:05:58,319 --> 01:05:58,799
maintenance.

1959
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:00,400
>> Yeah. How much? Any idea how much that

1960
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,359
connection would have?

1961
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:03,520
>> Didn't we pay? I thought we were paying

1962
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,200
>> a wheeling fee.

1963
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,839
>> We We have been paying a wheeling fee,

1964
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:12,319
which is $3 a house. So, so every

1965
01:06:12,319 --> 01:06:14,480
quarter um Well,

1966
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:15,920
>> what was it engineered for? See,

1967
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,839
initially we were told it was actually

1968
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:19,920
engineered to take care of that many

1969
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:20,160
homes.

1970
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,000
>> Well, well, well, no, not not with West

1971
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,319
Havens. We're talking about just that

1972
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:25,680
force main is all that

1973
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,799
>> on 5100. 5100 and it was just a matter

1974
01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:31,839
of West Haven allowing us to hook into

1975
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:32,400
that

1976
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,000
>> temporarily.

1977
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,839
>> Well, yeah, they thought they they never

1978
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:39,599
ever agreed to let us have 975 homes,

1979
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,440
but but we need to get and that's on the

1980
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,359
agenda tonight because we need to talk

1981
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:48,000
about that. So,

1982
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,440
>> anyway, that's something we need to get

1983
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:49,839
done.

1984
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:51,599
>> Follow a similar process. the same

1985
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:53,599
agency issue a pit.

1986
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,319
>> So the a pit is created by the city. So

1987
01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:58,799
you'd have be a similar process where

1988
01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:01,440
the the city council says we want to

1989
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,680
create a a public infrastructure

1990
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,920
district that would have a separate

1991
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,920
board but that board doesn't have to be

1992
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,839
this group. Usually it's the developer

1993
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:11,680
and they are separate board. They once

1994
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,240
you create it that's the end of it. Now,

1995
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,640
is it true and maybe

1996
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,400
if anybody can speak to this, didn't

1997
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,599
legislature just pass some things around

1998
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,720
grants that said that cities who if not

1999
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,119
for fixing this infrastructure issue

2000
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:28,960
would impede their ability to have

2001
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,480
whatever growth or whatever, you know,

2002
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,400
development they need. And so there's

2003
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,240
grant money that was attached. The last

2004
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,799
legislature session offered something. I attended the wake

2005
01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:41,599
>> that I attended the WHOG meeting. They

2006
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:43,200
were talking about that uh that

2007
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,240
>> it's called the ship.

2008
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:44,559
>> Yeah.

2009
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:46,559
>> And they it it is for infrastructure and

2010
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,400
it's a low interest loan and it's a

2011
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,559
hund00 million that cities can apply

2012
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:52,160
for. Is that what you're talking about?

2013
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,280
>> Yeah. Essentially, there was funding

2014
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,559
that was supposed to be directed to

2015
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:56,160
allow cities to develop what they need

2016
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,400
to develop and with infrastructure and

2017
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,760
if there was something on infrastructure

2018
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,160
that was impeding that ability then they

2019
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:02,799
could say

2020
01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:04,240
>> have we looked into that.

2021
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,839
>> But that's what I'm cur so in my mind

2022
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:06,480
hasn't came out yet

2023
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:07,680
>> and the reason why I'm thinking of this

2024
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:08,480
is I'm just

2025
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,480
>> straw to do that thing. I mean, I I

2026
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,680
don't know if they could. I think cities

2027
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,599
have to apply for it. But but my bigger

2028
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,799
question is

2029
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:18,880
>> if I fix the car or the tire on my car,

2030
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,319
maybe the girls goes on a date with me,

2031
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:22,480
right? Like if I can get the sewage

2032
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:25,120
thing fixed myself, if we can get state

2033
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,839
funding or grants or or things to fix it

2034
01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:29,759
ourselves, is Stuart still willing to

2035
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,199
come have the conversation about Terara

2036
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:32,880
Strada? Because that's what I'm curious

2037
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,440
of. Like, is it only contingent upon us

2038
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:37,359
finding a way to strap other people with

2039
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,199
this? Because if we can fix that sewer

2040
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,000
oursel or hey, we've been talking about

2041
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,319
it. Are we going to always use this

2042
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,640
sewer system? Maybe we got to consider

2043
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,480
getting out of this anyway because we're

2044
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:49,920
going to end up spending 10 million over

2045
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,600
the next couple years to keep this thing

2046
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,199
up and running and to continue to have

2047
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:53,920
this direction.

2048
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,759
>> Well, David, that to me that's a perfect

2049
01:08:57,759 --> 01:08:59,920
catalyst to apply for this money in the

2050
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,600
first place because we have a sewer

2051
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,319
system, this vacuum system that's so

2052
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:07,600
wonderful, it's literally falling apart.

2053
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:08,000
Now,

2054
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,839
>> could you say that in good context?

2055
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:10,719
>> Absolutely.

2056
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:11,679
>> Yeah.

2057
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:14,719
>> It's creating a health hazard, right?

2058
01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:17,040
Some future point it falls apart, it'll

2059
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,880
be a health hazard beyond imagination.

2060
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,640
>> I've got Silver Saddle residents telling

2061
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,839
me that it's backing up in their

2062
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:24,719
basement.

2063
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:26,480
>> So, one thing you need to know though

2064
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:28,480
about this regional lift station and

2065
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:30,640
that force main, they don't go through

2066
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,719
the the vacuum system.

2067
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:34,719
>> So, they are a gravity fed with a lift

2068
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:36,239
station. and they go down the force man

2069
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:37,920
that connects right into they call it

2070
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,480
the hooper but it's two different

2071
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:42,880
things. So that money that it's not free

2072
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,679
money it's low interest loans which yes

2073
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:48,400
when the time comes we will apply and

2074
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,080
see if we can get some money with that.

2075
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,080
And one thing along these lines too is

2076
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,000
we we have received we haven't received

2077
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,600
it yet. We've received notification on

2078
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,679
that grant money from Blake Moore that

2079
01:09:57,679 --> 01:10:00,640
is 1.5 million which certainly could be

2080
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,600
our contribution I feel like to add to

2081
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,239
this. So, one thing and again I'm

2082
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:08,560
thinking if we could get but I'm I like

2083
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,640
to get money that's why I write we'll

2084
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,640
write grants but I'm thinking maybe that

2085
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,640
could be our contribution rather than us

2086
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,159
giving up our 50% for 20 years as we say

2087
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:20,960
okay let's apply for the CRA

2088
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,480
>> and then let you know these other

2089
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:25,440
entities and then we'll give our portion

2090
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:27,520
of that money from and it is free money

2091
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:28,080
I mean

2092
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,360
>> that would be more interesting though

2093
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,040
yeah if we if we had the ability to use

2094
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,679
>> money 5100 west forest maintenance if

2095
01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:35,679
it's for sure or why not apply it to

2096
01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:37,440
>> it. It would it would be the whole

2097
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:40,239
thing. So if we have we know we have

2098
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:43,199
$3.2 million dollar worth of expenses

2099
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:45,040
right now with the regional lift station

2100
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,000
in the force main. So if we said okay

2101
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,040
let us apply for this CRA we'll give the

2102
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,320
1.5 which would end up being our portion

2103
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,960
then Her never gives up any of their

2104
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,280
property. So, can we build a legally can

2105
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,199
we do that contingent? Like, can we say,

2106
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:05,199
"Okay, we'll we'll create a a CRA agency

2107
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:07,360
and if we were to ever to entertain

2108
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,840
enter into a CRA, it would have to be

2109
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,760
contingent upon us using the grant funds

2110
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,760
that would not allow us to have to lose

2111
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,990
the future earnings

2112
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,120
» you could certainly do that. It would

2113
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,440
just be a matter of like so, you know,

2114
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:22,480
let's say the school district says,

2115
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,080
"Yeah, as long as you get that money,

2116
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:24,960
then we're in."

2117
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:25,679
>> Yeah,

2118
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:28,880
>> they may say that. Uh then you just have

2119
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:29,600
to wait and see.

2120
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:30,800
>> Wh who's whose 50% are you talking

2121
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,880
about? Ours

2122
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,520
>> no ours just took our cities.

2123
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,960
>> And that's what I'm saying. One of the

2124
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,480
biggest objections that I hear at least

2125
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,239
from the residents who talked to me

2126
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:42,159
about this is they don't want us giving

2127
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:45,280
our future earnings away. And so if we

2128
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:46,800
had an ability to use grant money to

2129
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,400
offset that, then that argument is kind

2130
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,159
of moot and it's not a big issue because

2131
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:51,920
now we're not taking from our f future

2132
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,520
earnings. We're saying we got a grant

2133
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,120
money that we wouldn't have had and it

2134
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,360
allowed us to enter into this. It still

2135
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,040
gets us the commercial attraction. It

2136
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,280
still gets us the process for that, but

2137
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,840
then our residents aren't strapped with

2138
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,719
I and I understand it's hard to realize

2139
01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:09,520
its future earnings, but it still is

2140
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,199
it's semantical. You know what I mean?

2141
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:13,040
Like it's still money that isn't coming

2142
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,960
to us for a period of time.

2143
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,400
>> And I guess if you think about it this

2144
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,239
way, too, that if you have to do the

2145
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:19,360
sewer anyway,

2146
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:20,960
>> Yeah. and no one else is going to help

2147
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,719
you,

2148
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:24,480
the only way to do it is either grant

2149
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:26,880
money or you're have to raise your sewer

2150
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,120
rates or your general property tax to

2151
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,960
pay for it. Like, so the nice thing

2152
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,320
about a CRA is like, well, at least

2153
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,239
we're getting money from outside the

2154
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:35,360
city to help us.

2155
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:35,679
>> Fair.

2156
01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:37,199
>> Because otherwise,

2157
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:38,640
>> we get other people around the county to

2158
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:39,679
help us pay

2159
01:12:39,679 --> 01:12:41,520
>> otherwise it's all you.

2160
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,280
>> In order to use a CR, you have to have a

2161
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:44,480
commercial development.

2162
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:45,600
>> You don't have to have a commercial

2163
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,520
development. Um, but that's what we're

2164
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,199
focusing on here. I mean that's what our

2165
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:51,280
policy is shaped around

2166
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,760
>> and you know you can't create a CRA just

2167
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,760
for retail that's why you have to have

2168
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,560
certain amount of households in there as

2169
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,320
well it's like a certain amount per

2170
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,159
thousand square feet of commercial is a

2171
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,080
certain amount of homes so have to have

2172
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:04,480
both

2173
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:06,400
>> like you can't create a CRA just to fix

2174
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,719
our solar system you got to have

2175
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:09,840
>> you could do that but no one would

2176
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,840
approve you the only one

2177
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,440
>> you have their own go

2178
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:15,520
>> yeah you have to do exactly

2179
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,080
>> and there are my understanding we have

2180
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,040
multiple developers waiting to

2181
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,280
potentially start something up in the

2182
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,280
area. Malcolm, if we get to where we can

2183
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,239
handle additional sewer,

2184
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:29,920
>> like several

2185
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,120
>> three

2186
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,960
>> and even commercial across the street on

2187
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,760
55 if we decided to incorporate this in.

2188
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,440
>> If we get a place for commercial to

2189
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:39,040
come, they're going to come. We just

2190
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:39,840
don't have anywhere.

2191
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,280
>> But to Ryan's point, then why aren't

2192
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,360
they also offering to help us

2193
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,280
>> like that? I I agree. It's like you fix

2194
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:46,719
it first and we'll come. But the process

2195
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:48,719
is also like, well, you want to invest

2196
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:50,159
in the community, the people. I mean,

2197
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,880
these are these are working people's tax

2198
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,960
dollars. This the money's come where's

2199
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,080
the money come from? It's coming from

2200
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,080
people. It's coming from our residents.

2201
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,360
And so, at the end of the day, we're

2202
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,840
like I mean, I would love for people to

2203
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,360
invest in my personal private business,

2204
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:04,960
but how am I I can do a CRA to get

2205
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,400
everybody in the community to pay for

2206
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,560
my, you know, business. So, that's what

2207
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,800
I'm saying. Like I mean I'm all for the

2208
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,239
benefit of the city, the commercial

2209
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:15,440
growth not ending up insolvent, but I

2210
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:16,640
want to be honest about what we're

2211
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,239
asking from people and I want to be

2212
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,159
honest about what it is. So if there's

2213
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:23,280
ways to offset it, I I just have a hard

2214
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,239
time even on principle people saying,

2215
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:27,440
"Hey, I'll come do business with you

2216
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:28,880
once you polish it up and make it all

2217
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,239
look nice." But we're not investing

2218
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,080
anything in it. Well, there's still a

2219
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,320
lot of investment though because and I I

2220
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,400
don't dare state a number because I I

2221
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,040
don't remember, but the target it was

2222
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,280
it's a it was a lot of money. Inf the

2223
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,800
sewer is one piece of the

2224
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,560
infrastructure. So, it's not that

2225
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:45,840
they're not paying for a lot of

2226
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,440
infrastructure. You still have all the

2227
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:50,640
water, the roads, everything else. So if

2228
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,640
we just say we would do the CRA for

2229
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,199
sewer, that's a small part of what? So

2230
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:56,719
to have them say they're not paying it,

2231
01:14:56,719 --> 01:14:58,960
they're still paying a lot to do.

2232
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,159
>> I thought you were saying that the

2233
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:01,679
development agreement was broader than

2234
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:02,400
just the sewer.

2235
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,910
>> That's pretty

2236
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,120
you haven't approved that. So

2237
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,040
>> we haven't approved it. So that's

2238
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:10,080
something that would be up for

2239
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,280
discussion.

2240
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,719
>> But here's your development agreement.

2241
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,159
>> There's no negotiation. Well, we don't

2242
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:16,960
know.

2243
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,480
>> We haven't asked them.

2244
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:20,560
>> I suppose they'll budge.

2245
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:21,760
>> Yes.

2246
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:22,560
>> They'll budge, too.

2247
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:23,920
>> And they will sit down and have a

2248
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,400
workable conversation.

2249
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,480
>> I mean, you have another option, which

2250
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,000
is if you really want to fix the sewer,

2251
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,400
you can you can issue a bond and you can

2252
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,719
raise everyone's sewer rates, including

2253
01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:37,120
the new development. No, it's not very,

2254
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,560
but just know that there are other

2255
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,080
options and they will pay like they'll

2256
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:41,679
have to pay an impact fee that will be

2257
01:15:41,679 --> 01:15:44,000
higher as a commercial entity and all

2258
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
the new homes will have to pay it. So,

2259
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,000
it's not as if there's not a way to do

2260
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,440
it. It's just an uncomfortable way of

2261
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:50,320
doing it.

2262
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,800
>> Taylor

2263
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,120
said that this is the east area lift

2264
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:02,470
station and it services 186 acres

2265
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,320
serviceable area.

2266
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,040
>> So, you imp fees from everyone in that

2267
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,960
186 acres over time.

2268
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:09,120
>> Yeah,

2269
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:10,880
>> it would pay back.

2270
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:16,070
>> Current building code 186 homes.

2271
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,440
» And I'm looking at the code and just

2272
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:20,080
kind of verifying we could

2273
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:24,790
>> one size does not fit all. Cas

2274
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,040
» maybe the actually goes to paying off

2275
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,400
what we paid. There's there's things

2276
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,520
>> all sorts of things.

2277
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:36,800
>> It could pay for your debt service on a super bond if you wanted to.

2278
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,199
>> Yeah. We want we want as much paper

2279
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:40,719
outside here as we can get.

2280
01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:41,440
>> Absolutely.

2281
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:50,550
>> But again, we never ever dec

2282
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,120
and I don't really see the risk. And

2283
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:54,480
again, I don't really see the risk with

2284
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,400
going and asking. And if they say no,

2285
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,080
then we go back and say, "Look, we

2286
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:58,800
tried.

2287
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,199
>> We tried to get a CRA." But if we don't

2288
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:03,760
ever even try, we we don't know.

2289
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,040
>> I can't say risk.

2290
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,880
>> And I think you put a lot of that like

2291
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,400
when I say we're your partner, they

2292
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,320
should be standing next to us. It should

2293
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,239
be the mayor and and and Terara Strada

2294
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:16,000
together talking to Weieber County. You

2295
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,159
know, we'll be there to support, but our

2296
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:20,000
voice isn't

2297
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,040
voice, but

2298
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,840
>> you know, you together. And if they say

2299
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,600
no, then it's like

2300
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,520
Hey, you were standing right next to us

2301
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:28,800
trying to push this through and everyone

2302
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,000
said no.

2303
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,080
>> Now what are you going to do? Like now

2304
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,360
you're going to have to do a pit or

2305
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,120
you're gonna

2306
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,880
>> like something's not going to have to

2307
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:37,520
change.

2308
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,760
>> So Mr. Der, what is the risk?

2309
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,760
>> Mayor Cry doesn't see a risk. A lot of

2310
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,120
people don't see a risk. What is the

2311
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,000
risk of a CRA?

2312
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:44,800
>> There are risks.

2313
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,000
>> Yeah, there are. I mean, there have to

2314
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:46,400
be, right,

2315
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,120
>> of a CRA? Yeah. Uh

2316
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,360
there is there's reputational risk

2317
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,679
obviously going and asking for money.

2318
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:54,880
That's not a very big risk.

2319
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:55,199
>> Sure.

2320
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:57,199
>> Because you know how many C how many

2321
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,840
RDAs or CRAAS are there in Weber County?

2322
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:00,880
>> A lot.

2323
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,000
>> Every city in Salt Lake every

2324
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,719
>> Yeah. So that's not a very big risk.

2325
01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:08,640
Is there a risk that they don't develop

2326
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,400
after you create a CRA?

2327
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,120
>> Yeah. But that's a risk that's here now.

2328
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,800
>> But we would know that if we don't get

2329
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,400
it blah blah blah. Yeah. Yes.

2330
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:21,760
>> But if they don't develop and we've

2331
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,199
strapped ourselves to the cost of the

2332
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:24,320
sewer,

2333
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,040
>> no.

2334
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:25,440
>> Okay.

2335
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,760
>> You have no obligation to

2336
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,520
>> So that's the the the key the key to

2337
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,199
who's doing the sewer is what's going to

2338
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:35,440
happen if you create a CRA or not. Who's

2339
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:36,000
going to

2340
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,840
>> pay for actually going to

2341
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,040
>> because someone's going to have to pay

2342
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,159
for it up front, right?

2343
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:41,040
>> Like you're going to have to pay

2344
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,120
whatever that is. Is it going to be the

2345
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,159
developer? Right now the development

2346
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:45,840
agreement says no, it's going to be you

2347
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:46,320
city.

2348
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:46,800
>> Yeah.

2349
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,960
>> It doesn't say anyone else.

2350
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,480
It's kind of important to kind of put in

2351
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:51,600
perspective well because this was a

2352
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:52,800
comment.

2353
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,159
>> All of the increment is going to go to

2354
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:56,000
paying off this infrastructure. I mean

2355
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,520
there's I mean there could possibly be

2356
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,120
leftover money to be doing it with

2357
01:18:59,120 --> 01:18:59,920
something else but

2358
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:00,640
>> not likely.

2359
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,320
>> Not based on the amount of revenue

2360
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:03,040
they're generating.

2361
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,880
>> It's going to be all there going to be a

2362
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:09,120
bond that probably you know will pay up

2363
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,280
front and then the increment will go to

2364
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,760
paying that off. All of the increment

2365
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,199
would go to that probably.

2366
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:18,080
>> So not 50% of it would come. No, no, no.

2367
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,400
Like all of the increment that we

2368
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,560
>> into the CRA would probably go towards

2369
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:23,440
paying off.

2370
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:24,400
>> Okay. I see

2371
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,320
>> the bond either a bond that we issue or

2372
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:30,000
a bond that Terrada issues or or a loan

2373
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,280
that they

2374
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:32,640
>> how they put their capital stack

2375
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:33,520
together.

2376
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,040
>> Someone's going to have to put a paper

2377
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:35,600
up front.

2378
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,239
>> So what's the risk? I still have

2379
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:40,159
>> I mean how should you structure it? You

2380
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:41,600
should put all the risk to terrorist

2381
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,640
strrada or anyone else to pay for that

2382
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,239
upfront infrastructure

2383
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,640
>> legally. I the risk that you already

2384
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,080
aware of. You're just not gaining the

2385
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,040
just the tax the tax situation, right?

2386
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,880
Like the fact that you're not gaining

2387
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,280
all the tax that it's

2388
01:19:59,280 --> 01:19:59,920
>> potential.

2389
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:01,120
>> Yeah, it's a big risk

2390
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:01,840
>> the increase.

2391
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,640
>> There was a u it's not the same program,

2392
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,080
but there was a similar program used in

2393
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,000
the state of California that they banned

2394
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,239
because in the borrowed so much of their

2395
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:11,600
future earnings that they ended up

2396
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:12,960
running into real issues when they

2397
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,239
needed to call up on those earnings,

2398
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:15,760
they couldn't do it. and it was part of

2399
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:16,800
the whole bankruptcy thing that

2400
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,640
California went through. Um, and I know

2401
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,159
that we have more protections than that

2402
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:22,560
and Utah's provisions for CRAAS, but I

2403
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,440
mean it does walk down a similar road of

2404
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:26,800
we're borrowing for the future and we

2405
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,560
have no idea what's going to come. And

2406
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,320
so if we need access to those funds,

2407
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,840
they're tied up for 30 years.

2408
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,520
>> There are cities I just will say that

2409
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,719
there I'm aware these were used. This is

2410
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:38,400
a valid thing.

2411
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:38,800
>> Yeah.

2412
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,800
>> So there are other cities if I mean if

2413
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,640
you want to talk to them. Well, I

2414
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,400
actually believe CRAAS were first

2415
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,480
created in some research I've done back

2416
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:47,520
in the 70s.

2417
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:48,320
>> Yeah, they've been around for a long

2418
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:48,640
time.

2419
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,400
>> Some things that you see that are

2420
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,239
familiar with that have done CRA the

2421
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:56,560
Delta Center, uh, Real Stadium, Shields,

2422
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,880
Proctor and Gamble and other county.

2423
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,719
That's just a handful that come to mind.

2424
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:07,590
The Maverick Center's

2425
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,600
» shopping centers all across the state.

2426
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,480
These are you had on that failed.

2427
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:13,920
>> That was a golf course.

2428
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:14,400
>> That was

2429
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,120
>> It was a big housing and golf course.

2430
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,640
>> It was a golf course and they wanted to

2431
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,400
drive my property. I was very aware of

2432
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:20,960
that

2433
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,320
>> and I knew that was going to fail before

2434
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:22,880
it started.

2435
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,520
>> Yeah. That was that was your property.

2436
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,920
>> They wanted to use our property as

2437
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,920
another entrance to the property. They

2438
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,040
didn't have another way out,

2439
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:32,080
>> but not a CR.

2440
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,600
>> But the city holding back, right?

2441
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,360
>> No, not right now.

2442
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,320
>> No. Well, the city

2443
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:37,920
>> the pit is not the pit is not actually

2444
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,000
failed. It's still been paid. It's still

2445
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,080
current. the the developer has gone

2446
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:42,640
bankrupt

2447
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,880
>> bankrupt but the owner original owner

2448
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,480
went bankrupt has been bought out by

2449
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:47,120
somebody else

2450
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,760
>> and it's I mean genu

2451
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:50,960
move forward much is

2452
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,639
>> so has one failed do you know of one

2453
01:21:52,639 --> 01:21:53,440
that has failed

2454
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:56,960
>> CRAAS can't really fail

2455
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:57,520
>> okay

2456
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,040
>> because

2457
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,199
uh I should say it's very challenging

2458
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:02,639
for a CRA to fail

2459
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:05,679
>> you know that fail

2460
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:09,040
>> no because a CRA is like if you if you

2461
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,080
build

2462
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,920
then comes.

2463
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,520
>> The only way you could get in trouble is

2464
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,159
if you were to say

2465
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,480
>> you issued a bond against that tax

2466
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:20,719
increment and you pledge something else

2467
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:22,880
to that bond. You said look

2468
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,000
>> like Larry's house

2469
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,679
>> like like sales tax. You said we're

2470
01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:27,920
going to issue a sales tax bond that

2471
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,280
back stops the the increment like the

2472
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,440
security is both increment and sales tax

2473
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,120
and then increment doesn't come.

2474
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,480
>> Yeah. Then you could be in trouble and

2475
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:38,560
that that has that has happened. We

2476
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:39,040
don't want to do that.

2477
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,880
>> I would never recommend to you to do

2478
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,520
that. Like you should issue if you were

2479
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,120
ever to issue a tax increment bond, you

2480
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,280
would do it and say, "Hey, if this money

2481
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:48,880
is available, then you can have it

2482
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,560
investors. But if it's not,

2483
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:51,040
>> I like

2484
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,920
>> you take the risk." Um, even better,

2485
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,080
Terrada, you get figure out how you're

2486
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:57,280
going to pay for this. We don't even

2487
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,639
care. Go get a bond. Go pull money from

2488
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:02,159
gold reserves you have. I don't care

2489
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:03,840
where you get it. But if the tax

2490
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,400
increment doesn't show up, it just

2491
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,239
doesn't show up. And that's That's your

2492
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:09,840
fault

2493
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:10,880
>> to make you more comfortable.

2494
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,520
>> But you're not going to take a risk.

2495
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:14,400
>> We probably need to move on.

2496
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,159
>> Yes, we do. Okay. Just something just

2497
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:18,000
real quick. Rick with Winnette on our

2498
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,719
agenda talked about um city council

2499
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:22,320
reports and we won't discuss this

2500
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,560
because it's not specific, but I will be

2501
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,320
calling you. We know that the ban

2502
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,560
expired for the fireworks. There will be

2503
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,719
a new one that we could impose for July

2504
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:34,080
24th. Um and so I will be calling you to

2505
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,840
get your opinion on that. Again, it will

2506
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,080
be last time the governor did that and

2507
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,480
said that the mayor and the fire chief

2508
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:43,920
could talk about that and also the stage

2509
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,920
two fire restrictions. So, just take

2510
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,360
some time and look through those stage

2511
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,760
two fire restrictions because again,

2512
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,360
that's something we just can adopt

2513
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:51,760
those.

2514
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,360
>> They're pretty much stable.

2515
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,000
>> Yes. But anyway, um but I'll be calling.

2516
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,080
>> Nothing has changed.

2517
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,600
>> It's more dry than it was.

2518
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:00,560
>> Everything else is dry.

2519
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,560
>> Hey, thank you.

2520
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,760
>> Yeah. Do you want to? I think I'd be

2521
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,400
good. Well, they might have some

2522
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,560
question if you if you're okay to stay.

2523
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,800
>> I'm happy to stay.

2524
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,470
>> Yes.

2525
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,719
that would be good.

2526
01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:35,750
>> September.

2527
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,350
We can make

2528
01:24:39,360 --> 01:25:08,870
» station.

2529
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:17,430
Morgan, don't start yawning. Starting

2530
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:25,830
» yawn when you see someone.

2531
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:31,750
» Good to see you again.

2532
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:32,880
doing great.

2533
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,790
>> Is it?

2534
01:25:36,800 --> 01:26:07,750
» The other day.

2535
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:37,750
No, I think it's

2536
01:26:37,760 --> 01:27:15,669
Tell us.

2537
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:22,470
Recording in progress.

2538
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,719
We would like to welcome you to the Her

2539
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:26,719
City Council meeting. Today is July

2540
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:30,000
16th, 2026. I'm Mayor Sher Bingham and I

2541
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,320
will be conducting this meeting. We are

2542
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,159
going to go ahead and have a pledge of

2543
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:36,400
allegiance by council member Rapto and

2544
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:41,669
then a reverence by council member.

2545
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:45,920
» Please repeat after me. I aliance to the

2546
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,920
flag of the United States of America and

2547
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,360
to the republic for which it stands. One

2548
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:57,280
nation under God, indivisible, with

2549
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:04,390
liberty and justice for all.

2550
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,000
» Heavenly Father, we thank you so much

2551
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,880
for the opportunity to serve the people

2552
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,840
of this city. We ask Lord God that you

2553
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,560
be with us through our decision making.

2554
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,880
We pray Lord God that you watch over the

2555
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,800
people of this city, those who serve

2556
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,280
this city, those who live here, that you

2557
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,360
continue to shine your blessings upon

2558
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,159
this community. We ask Lord God that you

2559
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:28,960
guide the decisions of this meeting, of

2560
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,040
the individuals up here. Your Holy

2561
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,600
Spirit give us discernment in the

2562
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,280
matters that we have to make decisions

2563
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,760
on. We pray Lord God that you comfort

2564
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,400
the hearts in tough decisions and give

2565
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,639
us an opportunity to while making these

2566
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:44,960
tough decisions to use the discernment

2567
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,280
you've given us and the problem solving

2568
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:48,560
skills that you've given us. We thank

2569
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:52,000
you so much for the opportunity to serve

2570
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,920
and we know Lord God that all authority

2571
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,239
comes from you and so we thank you for

2572
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,080
the ability to operate in that authority

2573
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:59,760
and we pray these things in Jesus name.

2574
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:00,320
Amen.

2575
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,320
>> Amen.

2576
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,719
>> Thank you both of you. Um just some

2577
01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:06,800
upcoming events. We know it's not right

2578
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,800
away, but it is coming quickly. It's our

2579
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,320
Herford tomato release day. So hopefully

2580
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,800
you'll be checking our website with all

2581
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,400
of those events coming up. One of our

2582
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,320
first things will be our junior queen

2583
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,080
contest and then we'll have our rodeo

2584
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,880
cleaning contest and then events. So um

2585
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,639
we'll be having more information with

2586
01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:25,360
that as far as everything that um you

2587
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,080
need to know. So the first thing on our

2588
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,639
consent items, excuse me, before that we

2589
01:29:30,639 --> 01:29:33,360
have public comments. So there is that

2590
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:37,360
would like to come up and make a public comment. If you will come up to

2591
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,600
the microphone, state your name, and you

2592
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,880
have three minutes. The council does not

2593
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,800
um dialogue back and forth giving you

2594
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,199
decisions on your comments, and you'll

2595
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:49,040
watch Morgan, our city recorder. She

2596
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,120
will tell you when your three minute

2597
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:57,430
time is up. Do we have anyone tonight?

2598
01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:00,159
Okay, see no public comments. Then, our

2599
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:03,199
first consent item is a motion app. the

2600
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:08,320
minutes that are dated June 18th, 2026.

2601
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,159
Is everyone have a chance to look

2602
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:19,510
through those minutes?

2603
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,239
If you have, is there any corrections to

2604
01:30:22,239 --> 01:30:27,030
the minutes?

2605
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:28,960
Okay, there's no corrections. Then I

2606
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:30,800
would entertain a motion to approve the

2607
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,800
minutes.

2608
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,040
I'll make a motion to approve the

2609
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:39,040
amendments dated June 18, 2026.

2610
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:40,000
>> Second.

2611
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,000
>> The motion was made by council member

2612
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,080
Rapalto. It was seconded by council

2613
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,360
member Hancock. All in favor?

2614
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,280
>> Any opposed?

2615
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,560
Okay, that motion carries. So, the first

2616
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,719
thing we have then tonight is a

2617
01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:57,600
presentation from Nicole Blanch. She is

2618
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,280
the director at the Western Weaver CTC.

2619
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,520
And when a meeting a little bit ago, we

2620
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,239
talked about um our redesation if

2621
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:08,880
Herbert wanted to do that as far as our

2622
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,600
guilt get healthy community. And I had

2623
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,920
some conversation with Nicole because

2624
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,000
they already have this CTC in place

2625
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,920
because when you do this healthy

2626
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,000
designation, then you're supposed to

2627
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,880
partner with a coalition. And so she's

2628
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,719
going to do a little presentation, give

2629
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:27,120
it some thought about whether we want

2630
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,120
to, it's not on our agenda as an agenda

2631
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,679
item tonight to do this or not, but

2632
01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:33,840
listen to her comments and then we'll

2633
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,560
put it on another agenda in the future.

2634
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,040
Um, we we do need to decide if we're

2635
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,000
going to do that. We want to be redo

2636
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,679
that redesignation. So, thank you,

2637
01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:45,040
Nicole. If you want to come up, we'll

2638
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:51,350
turn the time to you.

2639
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:52,960
When I saw I was number six, I thought I

2640
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,880
got time to sit. Number six went really

2641
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,920
fast. Um, so

2642
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,960
Oh, that's the end.

2643
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,960
>> I I can be done. Oh, okay. I'll start.

2644
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,239
Okay. So, like Sherry introduced, I'm

2645
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:07,920
Nicole Blanch. I'm with the I'm the

2646
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:09,360
coordinator for the Western Weaver

2647
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,760
Communities that Care Coalition. Um, if

2648
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,040
you want to go to the next, I'll just

2649
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,639
keep Do I just tell you?

2650
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:15,920
>> Yeah, but I gave you this.

2651
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,480
>> Okay, that'd be great. Um, so in talking

2652
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:19,840
I've been in this role for a little bit

2653
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,440
now and gotten to know Sher and we've

2654
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:25,120
kind of been talking about um, you know,

2655
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,520
supporting Thank you.

2656
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,600
Okay. Um, how we can support the

2657
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,320
community better and um, this

2658
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,400
opportunity has kind of presented itself

2659
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:35,840
where you guys for the last three years

2660
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,199
have had the healthy communities

2661
01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:41,760
designation. Um, and so and it's up for

2662
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,920
re renewal if you wanted to do that. And

2663
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,560
so we we she kind of had brought up with

2664
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:47,920
the coalition, maybe help support that.

2665
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,480
So Sherry's not running it by herself or

2666
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:52,480
kind of spearheading that that role. And

2667
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:53,840
as she mentioned, part of the

2668
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:55,920
application process, you'd need to be

2669
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,080
associated with a coalition or have one

2670
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,639
designated within your community. And we

2671
01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:02,480
do a lot of that work already with

2672
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:04,639
healthy communities and prevention. And

2673
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:06,320
so it would be a natural fit to be able

2674
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,560
to just align together with our goals.

2675
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:09,520
And so that's kind of what I'm going to

2676
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,520
talk a little bit about. Um that you

2677
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,120
guys have had that. and it's just

2678
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,120
there's very few up here in the in our

2679
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,440
area that have that and so I applaud you

2680
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:18,719
for doing that for the last couple of

2681
01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:20,639
years. Um and so I'm just going to kind

2682
01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:22,000
of talk about how we can support that

2683
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:23,520
and then what that partnership might

2684
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,520
look like with the coalition. Oh, I

2685
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:27,120
pushed the wrong button. Anyway, so the

2686
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,520
healthy community designation, it really

2687
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,600
does as you can see like on the diagram,

2688
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:32,960
health is at the center of everything

2689
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,080
that we do, right? We it it if if we

2690
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,400
have a healthy community then we have

2691
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,880
you know good recreation, we have good

2692
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,880
schools, family public health. All the

2693
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,800
things that are listed there go along

2694
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:48,639
with having a healthy community and um

2695
01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:50,480
the there are some key impacts that go

2696
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:53,360
along with that. And

2697
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,000
the improving quality of life that means

2698
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,600
you've got safe neighborhoods, access to

2699
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,920
recreation, mental well-being, family

2700
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:01,600
connection, people feel like they belong

2701
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,760
to the community. Um it can strengthen

2702
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,159
the long-term community outcomes, uh

2703
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:07,760
physical health, mental health, youth

2704
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,639
development, um attract growth in um

2705
01:34:10,639 --> 01:34:13,440
investment. So where that you I mean

2706
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:15,760
this community has grown so much. I met

2707
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,960
with uh comm or city councilman Roado

2708
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:20,800
earlier today and it's I grew up in

2709
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,960
Westber so not very far from you guys.

2710
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:24,480
So I've lived here my whole life me and

2711
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:26,400
my husband and so just the growth that

2712
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,560
I've seen since I was just little to

2713
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,000
even just over the last few years as

2714
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,440
I've raised my family. Um it's it's it

2715
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:35,600
this area is attracting more and more

2716
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:37,760
people and we want it to be represented

2717
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,520
not just in Hoover but in all the areas

2718
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:43,360
on this western end as a good community

2719
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,120
to grow up in to raise our families in

2720
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,760
good schools, good good um parks and

2721
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,280
recreation and all the public safety

2722
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:50,800
that we have so that it can attract

2723
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,560
families and businesses and developers

2724
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,560
and we want to create a shared

2725
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,000
responsibility. It's not just Cooper's

2726
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,840
job to have a healthy community. It's

2727
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,520
all of our jobs, right?

2728
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:01,920
my job as a coalition coordinator. It's

2729
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,920
the schools, it's the businesses that

2730
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,480
are out here and so the city leaders and

2731
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:08,000
we want to make sure that we're ensuring

2732
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,960
that that responsibility falls on all of

2733
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:15,360
us and not just one. Um so with that, so

2734
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:16,880
just a little bit about who we are too

2735
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,400
in case you're like what is the

2736
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:22,000
coalition? So we are long time ago, a

2737
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,120
few years ago, it was just called

2738
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,120
Fremont 5. So if any of you remember

2739
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:26,880
that, that was when Fremont was the only

2740
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:28,000
high school and then they built

2741
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,920
Westfield. We took that in under our

2742
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,239
coalition as well. So we have two high

2743
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:35,600
schools that I um work with, Westville

2744
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,760
and Fremont community. So our borders

2745
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,520
for our coalition are bigger than any of

2746
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:40,880
the other coalitions that we have with

2747
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,440
the other high schools. Uh we go right

2748
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:45,199
to the end of far west up there all the

2749
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:46,960
way down to you guys. So I cover quite a

2750
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,400
few uh schools and communities and we

2751
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,239
focus prevention is at the heart of

2752
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:54,239
everything that we do. Evidence-based

2753
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:56,400
research programming for our families

2754
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,560
and our students. We want to make sure

2755
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,679
that we're ensuring that we offer

2756
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:03,520
good healthy alternatives for our kids

2757
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:06,960
so that they can be able to grow up

2758
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:08,480
with,

2759
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:10,480
you know, just all the opportunities

2760
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:14,400
that they need to thrive. And a lot of I

2761
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:19,040
think since I've come into this role, we deal a lot with substance use and try

2762
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,040
to, you know, the education around that,

2763
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,960
alcohol, mental health. And it's it's

2764
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,600
interesting to see and I I saw this just

2765
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,280
before I even joined any of the health

2766
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,440
department or this role. I grew up here.

2767
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:33,199
So, I thought nothing out here. There's

2768
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:34,400
nothing there's nothing wrong out here.

2769
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,960
We live in like the best place ever. And

2770
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,320
we still do, but there are those

2771
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:39,840
lingering things that are out there that

2772
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:41,280
not a lot of people know about that are

2773
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,440
affecting our kids. And so, we want to

2774
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:44,960
bring that awareness and that education.

2775
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,239
And so, that's what we do a lot. We work

2776
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:47,920
with our schools. We work with the

2777
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:49,360
communities to be able to educate them

2778
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,040
on the issues that are surrounding our

2779
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,360
kids and the obstacles that they face

2780
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:54,880
because they need that support. They

2781
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,239
need that family and community

2782
01:36:56,239 --> 01:36:58,560
connection. And so we try to provide um

2783
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,600
education around that. But um a lot of

2784
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,840
the things that we do overlap with the

2785
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:05,199
things that the communities are doing.

2786
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:08,080
And so where that overlap happens is

2787
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,320
when you guys um first were designated

2788
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:11,840
as a healthy community, the goals that

2789
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,119
you had looked at um meeting were

2790
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:17,040
developing athletic infrastructure,

2791
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,360
healthy eating messaging campaigns, and

2792
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,040
community events that promote social

2793
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,840
connection. And all of those things in

2794
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,679
some ways overlap with the things that

2795
01:37:25,679 --> 01:37:27,840
we're trying to provide. So a lot of the

2796
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,440
things that the coalition looks at is

2797
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:31,440
risk and protective factors within our

2798
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:33,440
community. We get that from a lot of

2799
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:36,080
data sources. The sharp survey is one

2800
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:37,679
that we look at a lot that is offered

2801
01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:40,080
into the school. So we get direct um

2802
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:41,840
survey information and data from our

2803
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,880
students currently. And so when we're

2804
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,880
looking at those, the goals that we have

2805
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,360
set for our coalition is to look at risk

2806
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:50,880
protectors such as depression and

2807
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,920
anxiety, um, alcohol use, substance use,

2808
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:55,920
vaping, nicotine, those nicotine pouches

2809
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,760
that are out there right now. And we

2810
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,920
want to try to reduce the risk factors,

2811
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:01,360
but also increase our protective

2812
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,520
factors. And that's what every one of

2813
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,360
your goals that you set on your healthy

2814
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,760
community designation was to build those

2815
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,480
protective factors. So the way that the

2816
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:12,639
coalition can come into those things to

2817
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:15,280
provide that support is even though we

2818
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,000
don't focus on maybe promoting or

2819
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:19,760
building like a pickle ball court. I

2820
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:20,960
mean my kids would love that if I put

2821
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,600
that in my backyard but we that kind of

2822
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,480
thing can we can turn that into by by

2823
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:29,760
participating and promoting the parks

2824
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,840
and recreation we're encouraging that

2825
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,840
pro-social involvement healthy behaviors

2826
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,320
and positive peer relationships. And

2827
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:37,840
then same thing with the healthy eating.

2828
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:39,760
We don't really focus on nutrition per

2829
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:44,159
se as a as a coalition, but when you put

2830
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:46,080
the spin on it as hey, let's have family

2831
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,320
dinners. Let's have and that increases

2832
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:50,000
that family bonding. It builds a healthy

2833
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:51,679
routine and then those lifelong wellness

2834
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:53,360
habits. And same thing with the

2835
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:54,719
community connection, the social

2836
01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:56,639
connection. That's what we want to

2837
01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:57,920
increase that attachment to their

2838
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,600
community, the belonging, and then those

2839
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,119
opportunities those kids can have to

2840
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:04,719
serve in a youth council or you know a

2841
01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:08,880
community initiative. So, um, just some

2842
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,719
things that we can look at to that we

2843
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:12,719
promote that you guys also are doing

2844
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:15,040
that we could collaborate on and and

2845
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,520
looking at your redesignation if you go

2846
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,040
forward with that as a healthy

2847
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:20,880
community. These are ways that we can

2848
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,040
support you. We don't want to we're not

2849
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,360
asking you to do anything for the

2850
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,600
coalition other than just letting us

2851
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,840
help you. How can we support you and

2852
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,320
enhance your uh wellness in your

2853
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:34,320
community and your community members

2854
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:35,920
participation in these things? So, we

2855
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:37,360
can partner with healthy community

2856
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,199
events. We already do that a little bit

2857
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:41,119
with you guys in tomato days. Our youth,

2858
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:43,520
we have a youth council um that meets

2859
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,679
with us regularly. We have quite a few

2860
01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:47,520
kids from we have about 15 to 20 kids

2861
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,360
that just go to Westville alone that are

2862
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,600
on our youth council and they work

2863
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,600
within that group with their peers. We

2864
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,440
have quite a few from Fremont that work

2865
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:58,159
in that cone area. But we we encourage

2866
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:00,239
the kids to lead out on these things to

2867
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:01,679
give them those leadership skills and

2868
01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:03,600
that opportunity. So when they come and

2869
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:05,360
help with tomato days and they do the

2870
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:06,960
volleyball like they did last year or

2871
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:09,520
they provide the breakfast or they march

2872
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:10,960
in the parades, it's giving them that

2873
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,520
opportunity to have those um pro-social

2874
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:15,360
events and relationship with their

2875
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,360
peers. And at those same events, we can

2876
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,760
promote education and give them that

2877
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,760
prevention awareness that they might not

2878
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,960
have or had gotten previously. Um, we

2879
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,880
can also send out messaging um that

2880
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:30,719
talks about why it's important to have

2881
01:40:30,719 --> 01:40:32,560
family dinners, why it's important to be

2882
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,239
with your families a couple of nights a

2883
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:36,239
week if you can. Kids are pulled in so

2884
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:37,600
many different directions. I'm already

2885
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,440
looking at the schedule from my family

2886
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:40,960
when school starts and I'm thinking,

2887
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:42,719
"Okay, I'll see this one this day, that

2888
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:44,639
one this day." And it's hard to make it

2889
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:46,400
all work, but if you can if we can

2890
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,520
cement in the reason why it does promote

2891
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:51,520
those healthy relationships, it does

2892
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,600
make a huge difference in the families.

2893
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:55,119
And again, we have our youth leadership

2894
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:57,119
council, but we also get a lot of data

2895
01:40:57,119 --> 01:40:58,639
and so do you guys. You have to measure

2896
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:01,280
your impact on how the things that you

2897
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:02,960
promote in your community are going to

2898
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:04,560
impact your community members. And we

2899
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,320
have to do that as well. Our coalition

2900
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,639
is funded through grants and I have to

2901
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:10,880
report to all of those funders how we've

2902
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,440
used that money, that money. and what

2903
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:14,880
were our outcomes. What was the data

2904
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:16,320
that we received from that to show that

2905
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:17,520
we're making an impact in the

2906
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:18,880
communities and it's not just Hooker,

2907
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,440
it's West Haven, Far West, Plain City,

2908
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:23,199
the unincorporated area where I live in

2909
01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:25,920
West Weber. So, we have to by sharing

2910
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:27,760
that data, it can impact what you guys

2911
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:29,600
do if you apply for future funding and

2912
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,360
also impacts what we do as well. And

2913
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,119
then also leveraging that grant funding

2914
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:35,119
and community partnerships or resources.

2915
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:37,920
we're able to give suggestions on things

2916
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,159
that we find because I we are very tuned

2917
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:41,600
in with the funding that's offered for

2918
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,199
prevention in the state. If there's

2919
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:44,880
something that aligns with you guys, we

2920
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:46,480
can offer that to you, help write the

2921
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:48,880
grant and vice versa. So, that would be

2922
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,960
a way that we could work together to

2923
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,719
promote that healthy designation within

2924
01:41:52,719 --> 01:41:55,199
the community and just have a greater

2925
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:58,239
impact on everybody as a whole. Um, I

2926
01:41:58,239 --> 01:41:59,920
don't want to take up a ton of time, but

2927
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:02,480
you guys, um, as you think about doing

2928
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:05,280
that, um, I know brought up that they

2929
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:06,639
don't want somebody just one person

2930
01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:08,159
alone to run it. And that's where the

2931
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:10,239
coalition could come in and help promote

2932
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:12,080
that and also help with the planning

2933
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:13,760
sitting on the committee taking some of

2934
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,440
that responsibility off the council

2935
01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:17,920
members or one individual if that was

2936
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:19,679
what was determined. So, thank you for

2937
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:21,280
your time. I appreciate it. If you guys

2938
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,679
have any questions, um oh, this is what

2939
01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:24,800
the partnership would look like. I

2940
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:26,080
thought I was done, but you guys can

2941
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:27,760
kind of read through that really fast.

2942
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,080
We don't ask for anything more than just

2943
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,400
you guys that let us promote our

2944
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,119
coalition through the community. um

2945
01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:38,560
collaborate on events, uh promote our

2946
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:40,239
messaging with city communication

2947
01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:41,679
channels, and then that's what we give

2948
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:43,199
back. Prevention, education, data,

2949
01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:45,360
evidence-based programs, support, and

2950
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,520
then resource coordination. So, anyway,

2951
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,119
now I'm done. But if you guys have any

2952
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:50,960
questions, Sher has my information. So,

2953
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,199
if you ever have any questions or need,

2954
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:55,920
um I'd love to talk about it. I get a

2955
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,440
little nervous and it's intimidating up

2956
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:00,480
here, but I appreciate your time and um

2957
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:02,560
I hope that we can collaborate more in

2958
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,800
the future. Thank you. Does anybody have

2959
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,119
any questions for Nicole?

2960
01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:08,960
>> I have a question. One, your last slide

2961
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,639
there said that one of the things you

2962
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:12,400
would need from us is a meeting space

2963
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:13,840
and I know we've had discussion in the

2964
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,920
past about allowing um community

2965
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,000
centered uh events using our meeting

2966
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,159
space and and I'm just curious what you

2967
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:23,119
would need for us um for a meeting space

2968
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:24,480
if we were to commit to that.

2969
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:25,920
>> Yeah. So, we've already actually

2970
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:27,360
collaborated with you guys on that in

2971
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:28,880
the past. We've offered some parenting

2972
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,239
classes and we did that um not this last

2973
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:35,679
year but the spring I think of 20 25

2974
01:43:35,679 --> 01:43:37,760
when I was first hired we did a fiveweek

2975
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:39,520
class it's called guiding good choices

2976
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,440
and we invite our parents to come in and

2977
01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:43,760
then they are able to get that and it's

2978
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,600
all about family bonding how to talk to

2979
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,119
your kids about issues that are

2980
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:48,800
affecting them in school or in daily

2981
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:50,960
life and how to create those connections

2982
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,719
and so really that's what it is it's can

2983
01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:54,719
we hold a class here for your community

2984
01:43:54,719 --> 01:43:57,360
can we um maybe hold a meeting here

2985
01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:59,679
We've held a few um community board

2986
01:43:59,679 --> 01:44:01,199
meetings and things. So, it would be

2987
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:02,639
nothing more than just that kind of

2988
01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:04,639
thing. Then we would, you know, if we

2989
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:06,080
come and do a booth at one of your

2990
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:07,440
events, that type of stuff. It wouldn't

2991
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:08,560
be the meeting space.

2992
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:09,679
>> That leads me to one more question

2993
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:10,880
because I didn't know the answer was

2994
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:12,639
going to say that. I guess it's more of

2995
01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:14,320
a question for you, Darren. Do we run

2996
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:17,119
any risk um uh partnering with an

2997
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:18,639
organization like this knowing that they

2998
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:20,400
would be teaching something to our

2999
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,159
citizens? Do we have any liability what

3000
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:23,840
they teach, what that curriculum looks

3001
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:25,920
like? Are we outwardly saying as a city

3002
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,480
that we support the message that's given

3003
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:29,199
things like that

3004
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:31,199
>> if we partner with them. Yes.

3005
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:33,199
>> Okay.

3006
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:35,280
>> So, so currently we already are her

3007
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,080
first city is one of the communities um

3008
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:39,840
within our budget every year. We

3009
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,719
actually do give money to the coalition

3010
01:44:42,719 --> 01:44:44,800
and then the coalition in return ends up

3011
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,280
supporting our events. So, we have

3012
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,360
actually partnered with the coalition

3013
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,040
back when it was Fremont 5 when it was

3014
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,840
first being originated. And if I had to

3015
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:55,840
guess how many years ago, I would say

3016
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,320
probably 10. How many years have we had

3017
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,080
>> at least 2018?

3018
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:01,920
>> Yeah. So, and

3019
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:03,360
>> again, I'm not implying I disagree. I

3020
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:04,719
don't even know the curriculum. I'm just

3021
01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:07,040
curious. Anytime I hear uh I have an

3022
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:08,480
educational background. Anytime I hear

3023
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:09,679
that we're going to educate people on

3024
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:10,880
things, then we have to be making

3025
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:12,560
statements and taking stances on things.

3026
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,639
And so, from as a political entity and

3027
01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:16,480
as a city, governmental entity, are we

3028
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:18,560
saying we also agree with those things?

3029
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,080
>> Yes. And I should have pointed out too

3030
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,480
just along with that, we are um our

3031
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:24,480
fiscal agent is through human services.

3032
01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:26,080
So any of the curriculum that we teach

3033
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,000
has been vetted through them and the

3034
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,639
state. So, but we're happy to provide

3035
01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:32,080
anything ahead of time that you can

3036
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:33,360
review if that's something that you

3037
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:34,480
would like to do. Again, we've taught

3038
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:37,920
those classes before. Not saying that, you know, is not something going

3039
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:39,840
forward, but we'd be happy to provide

3040
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,520
curriculum, answer any questions or

3041
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:46,639
refer you to the um coordinator for that we have at Wever Human Services and

3042
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:47,760
they would be able to answer any of

3043
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:49,199
those questions for sure.

3044
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:50,960
>> That's really

3045
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,560
a question. Do you have a partnership

3046
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:53,920
agreement that would be sent out and

3047
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:55,199
signed by the city?

3048
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:56,800
>> We would definitely we have we're

3049
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,440
actually drafting like anou type thing.

3050
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:01,520
We I'm just waiting for the directors at

3051
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,199
the recruitment services to and their attorneys and stuff to finalize

3052
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:07,280
that so that the coalitions because

3053
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,119
there's a Bonavville, a Roy, a Weaver

3054
01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:11,360
and us and Ogden City coalitions and

3055
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:12,960
they all want to try to do that same

3056
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:14,239
kind of partnership with their cities

3057
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:16,239
that they represent and work with. So

3058
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:17,360
that's something that we're definitely

3059
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:18,000
working on.

3060
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:20,159
>> So I deal it would be low liability. I

3061
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:21,760
deal with this all the time in my job.

3062
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:23,840
So the liability would be handled in

3063
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,440
that partnership agreement. So I would

3064
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:26,320
just want to see that.

3065
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,560
>> Yes, for sure. Yeah. When and I we u

3066
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,159
that draft is being sent through our

3067
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:32,080
directors there human services. Once we

3068
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:33,600
have that, happy to share that with you

3069
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:35,040
guys. You can review it and see what you

3070
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:36,719
think. And then if there's any changes

3071
01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:39,119
uh to that agreement, we'd be happy to

3072
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:39,840
that as well.

3073
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:41,360
>> Maybe the mayor knows if we have one of

3074
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,480
those in the future or in the past

3075
01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:46,880
sign.

3076
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,040
>> I don't I don't think we've ever had any

3077
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,280
kind of assigned.

3078
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,040
>> I don't think as I've checked with past

3079
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:54,639
coordinators, that's not been something

3080
01:46:54,639 --> 01:46:56,480
that's something that I don't know that

3081
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:57,760
any of the other coalitions have had

3082
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,040
with the city. We have one with the

3083
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:00,960
school district so that we can go into

3084
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,280
the schools, teach those same classes.

3085
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:04,960
So, we have like last year we partnered

3086
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,119
with Mountain View Junior High and did a

3087
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:09,040
strengthening families class. And so, we

3088
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,040
have the same type ofou in place for

3089
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,880
them. But offering it with the cities,

3090
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:13,920
that's something new that we're all

3091
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,199
exploring as coordinators.

3092
01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:19,119
I think it would be beneficial to both

3093
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:20,800
coalition and the cities for all of

3094
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:22,159
that. So, I'm hoping that that goes

3095
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:23,360
through. Yeah.

3096
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:24,960
>> Well, that's I might do mention before

3097
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:26,400
in one of our meetings, but when I went

3098
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:28,639
to the healthy communities seminar that

3099
01:47:28,639 --> 01:47:30,960
they had, they have coalition directors

3100
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:32,400
there. And that's when I called Nicole

3101
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,239
and said, "Why aren't we partnering? Why

3102
01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:37,520
are we both doing this exact same thing?

3103
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,440
Why do we have a coalition in the city?

3104
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,440
We already have the one with Western

3105
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:43,280
Weber." So, that's why we thought this

3106
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,440
would be a really good partnership. And

3107
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:47,600
also mentioned um on one of her slides

3108
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,280
about helping us with grants and

3109
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:50,800
applying. And so she already told me

3110
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,440
about one possible grant that I have

3111
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:56,000
completed ready to submit if we decide

3112
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,000
we want to do this and it is through

3113
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,639
Weaver Human Services and it's a 25 or

3114
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:02,320
excuse me the Department of Health and

3115
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,800
Human Services with the state. That's a

3116
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,280
$2,500 grant that again would be

3117
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:09,360
helping. I put in here about the

3118
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:11,440
possibility of being able then to pay a

3119
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:13,600
Weaver State University intern. So I had

3120
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,560
a stipend with some program materials,

3121
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,320
advertising, some participant

3122
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:20,880
incentives, some surveys, evaluations.

3123
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:23,520
We could do po, you know, pre and post

3124
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,400
to see the benefits. And so, again, I I

3125
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,560
feel like this is something we did it

3126
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,000
before. I don't know that we did it

3127
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,920
maybe as effectively as we could have in

3128
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,480
a city, but I I would like to see us

3129
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:36,400
continue to do this if you're interested

3130
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:40,560
in having this designation.

3131
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:43,920
>> Thank you. Any other questions?

3132
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:45,199
Thank you.

3133
01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:47,520
>> I I do have to make one comment though.

3134
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,400
Wow. You are very well prepared to

3135
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,880
answer every question and you talk fast.

3136
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:54,400
>> I do. I'm sorry.

3137
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:56,159
>> When I get nervous, I get that's why

3138
01:48:56,159 --> 01:48:59,040
when he said talk fast, I was like done.

3139
01:48:59,040 --> 01:48:59,600
I got it.

3140
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,040
>> Well, thank you.

3141
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,440
>> Thank you,

3142
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:05,520
>> Mayor. Would you be opposed? Our consult

3143
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,719
is here. Um our code right now for the

3144
01:49:08,719 --> 01:49:11,199
change requires us to do a vote to

3145
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:13,040
change the agenda. Would you guys be

3146
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,920
willing to do the CRA right now handle

3147
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:17,119
that issue?

3148
01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:18,719
>> Yes, I'm I'm fine with that.

3149
01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:20,080
>> There would have to be a majority vote

3150
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:21,360
of the council to move that in the

3151
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,360
agenda according to our code. But

3152
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:24,960
>> what's the reason?

3153
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,960
>> I just the consult here. It's

3154
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,119
>> for the CR.

3155
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:31,360
>> You don't have to. It's just an idea. If

3156
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:33,600
you would want to move that up, change

3157
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:38,880
the agenda to move up the it is the our

3158
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,920
first let's see the possible motion to

3159
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,480
consider. It's B under action items.

3160
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,080
Move that up. Talking about the

3161
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:48,800
community reinvestment agency while is

3162
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,920
here moving that up in the agenda.

3163
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:52,800
>> Is there anybody?

3164
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,320
>> So you can go.

3165
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:54,880
>> Yes.

3166
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:56,880
So if someone would like to make

3167
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:57,520
that motion,

3168
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,520
>> would that supersede

3169
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:01,600
the conversation on a lease agreement?

3170
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:02,960
>> That's what I'm That's what I was

3171
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:04,080
proposing, but it would be your

3172
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,000
decision.

3173
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,440
>> I mean, I don't want to be disrespectful

3174
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:08,719
to the fact you're wait. Are you ready

3175
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:10,080
to go home? Are you ready?

3176
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,480
>> Whatever you guys want to do

3177
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:15,280
or

3178
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:18,320
the least conversation is going to take.

3179
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,320
>> I don't know. There's a couple of things

3180
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:22,880
I I someone would like to make that

3181
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,119
motion to move that up. I make a motion

3182
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:28,000
to move up the conversation of of

3183
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,560
ordinance number

3184
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:33,119
206-24

3185
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:38,080
creating a CR to bump it up in front of

3186
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:42,400
appro ordinance number 22603.

3187
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:44,080
>> So in front of the trail lease

3188
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:45,840
agreements having it next.

3189
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:46,400
>> Yes.

3190
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,320
>> Okay. That motion was made by council

3191
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:56,470
member Hancock. Is there a second?

3192
01:50:56,480 --> 01:51:00,239
If it helps out

3193
01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:04,159
by council member and all in favor

3194
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:04,880
discussion

3195
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:06,880
>> did yes discussion on it. Do you want

3196
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:08,960
>> I have a question? It's under an action

3197
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:10,400
item. We're moving it up under a

3198
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:11,280
discussion item.

3199
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:12,560
>> That's my question also.

3200
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,280
>> We'd be moving the entire action item.

3201
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:18,639
>> Okay. So we would go into action back to

3202
01:51:18,639 --> 01:51:20,719
discussion back to action.

3203
01:51:20,719 --> 01:51:22,400
I mean, is that is that allowed?

3204
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:22,880
>> Yes.

3205
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:24,239
>> Okay.

3206
01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:28,239
>> I'm just I'm just asking for order

3207
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:30,719
sticking to agendas and all that stuff.

3208
01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:32,560
That's the only discussion question I

3209
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:34,480
have.

3210
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:36,560
>> Okay. If no other discussion then all in

3211
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,639
favor

3212
01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:39,119
>> I I

3213
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:50,550
>> Any opposed?

3214
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,320
You have to cast the voter abstain,

3215
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:53,280
right?

3216
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,679
>> Does he have to cast it?

3217
01:51:55,679 --> 01:51:56,960
>> Okay.

3218
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:58,560
>> What about you, Council Member F? I

3219
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:00,239
didn't hear you. You said I Okay. Thank

3220
01:52:00,239 --> 01:52:03,199
you. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Nicole, for

3221
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:05,599
coming. We We appreciate that. Yes. Yes,

3222
01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:07,199
you can go. So, thank you. And I didn't

3223
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:08,719
put it on the agenda for us to vote

3224
01:52:08,719 --> 01:52:10,639
tonight. We do need to get our

3225
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:13,360
reapplication done, but what but because

3226
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:14,880
if that's not an action item on our

3227
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,480
agenda, we'll have to do that next time

3228
01:52:16,480 --> 01:52:18,320
and we'll I'll be working on that and

3229
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:19,840
then you be thinking about if you want

3230
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:22,480
to do the redesination. Okay. So then

3231
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:25,119
we've moved up a possible motion to

3232
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:28,239
consider ordinance number 202604, an

3233
01:52:28,239 --> 01:52:30,000
ordinance creating the Hooper City

3234
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,400
Community Reinvestment Agency and

3235
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,480
authority and authorizing the mayor to

3236
01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:37,040
create to execute a notice of impending

3237
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,920
boundary action. So we had a discussion

3238
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:43,040
on this for an hour in work meeting

3239
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:45,599
again. What questions do you have about

3240
01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:48,400
this? Any questions that Cody can answer

3241
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,800
for us and then let's we can discuss

3242
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:59,109
this.

3243
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:02,400
» I think you explained it fairly well.

3244
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:05,760
I don't have any questions.

3245
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:08,000
So there's not any questions. Then I

3246
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:11,520
would entertain a motion then to

3247
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:13,679
consider this ordinance and all that it

3248
01:53:13,679 --> 01:53:22,390
entails. So is there a motion?

3249
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:24,239
» I'll entertain a motion to consider the

3250
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:26,320
ordinance 2026

3251
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:28,560
to create a CR.

3252
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,320
>> The motion was made by council member

3253
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,679
Hancock. Is there a second?

3254
01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:34,719
and then we're going to have a

3255
01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:36,800
discussion after.

3256
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:38,639
>> I'll second the motion.

3257
01:53:38,639 --> 01:53:40,400
>> Second was made by council member

3258
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:45,589
Rapalto. Any discussion on the motion?

3259
01:53:45,599 --> 01:53:49,520
» So, this is uh Oops. This is the way uh

3260
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:51,520
in fact, yeah, maybe I do have a

3261
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:54,080
question. Will you uh maybe explain to

3262
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:56,000
all the residents that we're just

3263
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,880
adopting this the if that's if I

3264
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:00,960
understood it right, we're just adopting

3265
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,159
this, but we do not have to act on it

3266
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:06,960
unless we want to. Is that correct,

3267
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,199
>> sir? Could you explain that to our

3268
01:54:09,199 --> 01:54:09,840
residents?

3269
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:11,760
>> Yes, I will. The action that you're

3270
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:13,520
taking now is to create a separate

3271
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:16,320
entity, legal entity called the the

3272
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,280
community reinvestment agency of city.

3273
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,119
So you'll have a separate entity that

3274
01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:23,920
can in the future act uh under the

3275
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:26,719
powers of of 17c which allows you to

3276
01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:30,880
create a project area and uh and and

3277
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:33,599
other

3278
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:36,480
powers that are granted under 17C. Those

3279
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:37,840
could be exercised at any time in the

3280
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:40,400
future or not exercised, but you can't

3281
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,800
exercise any of those to for example

3282
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,360
provide a tax increment incentive unless

3283
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:47,840
this agency is created. So right now

3284
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,800
you're that agency so you can do have a

3285
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,040
future action if you choose to do so

3286
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:55,760
under under that agency's powers.

3287
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:58,400
>> So I I asked this in the morning I ask

3288
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:01,760
it again. This agency is taking action

3289
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:04,080
and operating effectively as a different

3290
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:05,920
body even though it's the same people

3291
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:07,360
>> and I know it's semantical but it does

3292
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:09,840
have material implication. Are we asking

3293
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,639
the taxpayers to pay the individuals up

3294
01:55:12,639 --> 01:55:16,239
here differently or additionally because

3295
01:55:16,239 --> 01:55:19,520
they are doing different tasks operating

3296
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:20,880
separate meetings even though they're at

3297
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:23,360
the same time? Um because currently the

3298
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:25,599
taxpayers are paying us to do what we

3299
01:55:25,599 --> 01:55:28,159
do. And so I I want to be clear that if

3300
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:29,679
we're creating an agency that we

3301
01:55:29,679 --> 01:55:31,840
understand how we're paying the people

3302
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:33,520
that are part of that. Not saying I need

3303
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:35,440
to be paid to do it. I just want to be

3304
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:37,119
clear what we're asking the taxpayers to

3305
01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:38,239
do with that because we would

3306
01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:40,080
effectively be saying you're not

3307
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:41,679
operating as a city council member.

3308
01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:44,159
You're now attending this CRA meeting

3309
01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:46,560
and you're acting as a CRA board member.

3310
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:48,800
And so I don't know what other cities

3311
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:51,920
do. Are we supposed to just volunteer

3312
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:54,480
that time? Is that what we're expecting

3313
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:56,719
uh of individuals? And then

3314
01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:58,320
additionally, does that put an

3315
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,719
obligation? I know based on the sit the

3316
01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:03,440
uh attendance of meetings um we pay

3317
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:05,360
council members if they attend or don't

3318
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:07,679
attend you know based on that so if

3319
01:56:07,679 --> 01:56:09,199
they're now attending an additional

3320
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:11,440
meeting are we giving a task for like

3321
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,040
our recorder or something to have to go

3322
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:15,679
say they were in two meetings on the

3323
01:56:15,679 --> 01:56:18,880
same day I just want to be clear on that

3324
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:20,800
before we create an agency we're making

3325
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:23,599
people pay double double it for whatever

3326
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:26,560
>> council

3327
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,599
>> he's looking I'm looking that up, but I

3328
01:56:29,599 --> 01:56:30,560
think it's something that we would

3329
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:32,480
decide. We have to put in our bylaws.

3330
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:34,719
So, if you're concerned with having some

3331
01:56:34,719 --> 01:56:36,320
kind of understanding of what you want

3332
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:37,840
there, I think that would be your guys

3333
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:38,639
choice.

3334
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:40,480
>> Can we effectively create an agency that

3335
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:42,880
we don't know how we're paying for it or

3336
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:44,560
what? I mean, will we need to put it in

3337
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:49,270
our bylaws before we create this agency?

3338
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:50,800
» I'm I'm searching for it right now for

3339
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:54,950
that issue.

3340
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:58,159
Did you say just to clarify it can be

3341
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:00,560
done in the same meeting with the

3342
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:02,080
exception of it has to have a separate

3343
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:04,000
agenda. So say for instance tonight if

3344
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,000
we have if we had already created this

3345
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,480
board and we get done with this agenda

3346
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:12,320
and we're done at 7:50 for example then

3347
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:14,560
we adjourn that meeting and then we say

3348
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:17,760
we are now we're going to commence our

3349
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:18,239
>> yes

3350
01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:20,719
>> CRA board meeting correct

3351
01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:23,440
>> so it wouldn't necessarily but I I agree

3352
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:25,040
we need to have all that in writing but

3353
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:26,320
it wouldn't necessarily have to be a

3354
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,239
separate meeting that we're calling for

3355
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:30,000
additional staff to come we could do

3356
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,159
them if I understand at the same That's

3357
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:34,880
how I've seen it every single time. It's

3358
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:36,800
just done on the same meeting,

3359
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:37,679
>> same night.

3360
01:57:37,679 --> 01:57:40,480
>> But you was like say in your profession,

3361
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:42,400
if you're dealing with me as a client,

3362
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:43,920
but then you switch hats and start

3363
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:45,840
dealing with Larry, you're dealing with

3364
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:49,440
both of us, right? And so effectively

3365
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,159
the way that we're set up to be, you

3366
01:57:52,159 --> 01:57:55,040
know, compensating our council members,

3367
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:56,960
we're effectively doing a different job.

3368
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,040
And I just want to make sure I'm if we

3369
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:00,400
want to all agree that like we're not

3370
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,320
going to take payment work we do on the

3371
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,560
CRA. I'm I'm fine that's a different

3372
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:06,320
issue. I just want to make sure before

3373
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,080
we go creating agencies that we're

3374
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:09,520
telling the taxpayers how they're going

3375
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:10,480
for that.

3376
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:12,080
>> As staff,

3377
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:15,280
>> I'll say from other other entities

3378
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:18,639
you once the C the agencies created you

3379
01:58:18,639 --> 01:58:21,119
then create bylaws

3380
01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:23,119
and that is something that you can

3381
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:25,760
describe all that information. You can

3382
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,920
have a bylaw that says we will not be

3383
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:29,920
compensated or we will be if there's

3384
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:32,239
increment available or you can just

3385
01:58:32,239 --> 01:58:33,840
describe what it is you want but right

3386
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:36,800
now just by creating it there are no

3387
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:40,080
bylaws yet you can't create them yet

3388
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:42,239
till the agency's created you can

3389
01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:43,840
>> so there wouldn't be a compensation

3390
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:45,840
until the agency were created

3391
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:49,360
>> that makes sense that's fair

3392
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:49,760
question

3393
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:51,360
>> yeah answers my question I just want to

3394
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:54,239
be sure I mean I just there's clearly a

3395
01:58:54,239 --> 01:58:56,239
need for us to separate legal entity.

3396
01:58:56,239 --> 01:58:57,679
And so if there's a need for a separate

3397
01:58:57,679 --> 01:58:59,199
legal entity, it probably has all kinds

3398
01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:00,560
of governance that we need to be aware

3399
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,400
of. And I want to make sure that if

3400
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:03,760
we're just making something, we're not

3401
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:05,360
just making some thing. You know what I

3402
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:06,639
mean? I want to be clear what we're

3403
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:08,880
agreeing to build here before we build

3404
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:09,440
it.

3405
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:13,109
>> Fair enough.

3406
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:16,880
Any other discussion, questions?

3407
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:19,280
Okay. So, we've had a motion made, a

3408
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:21,679
second was made because this is an

3409
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:24,000
ordinance and we need to do a roll call

3410
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:26,320
vote. So, I will start with council

3411
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:27,840
member Hill.

3412
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:28,719
>> Nay.

3413
01:59:28,719 --> 01:59:30,800
>> Council member Rapto.

3414
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:31,440
>> I.

3415
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:32,880
>> Council member Hancock.

3416
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:33,599
>> Hi.

3417
01:59:33,599 --> 01:59:35,440
>> Council member Craig.

3418
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:36,159
>> Hi.

3419
01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:37,520
>> Council member Bowers.

3420
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:38,400
>> Nay.

3421
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:44,310
>> Okay, that carries. Thank you.

3422
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:48,159
Okay, so now we will go back to our our

3423
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:50,639
previous agenda which is on trail lease

3424
01:59:50,639 --> 01:59:53,520
agreements and this was going to be on a

3425
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:55,440
work meeting that we never had time to

3426
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:57,920
do. Thank you for coming. And so we

3427
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,719
thought tonight So we talked once about

3428
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:03,830
doing

3429
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:06,000
a little field trip and then we decided

3430
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:08,239
that was a little bit um problematic

3431
02:00:08,239 --> 02:00:11,199
trying to get carts or something to take

3432
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:13,520
them and so we went along and I just

3433
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,800
took pictures and so I started Because

3434
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:19,199
with this lease agreement, there's some

3435
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:21,360
things in it that we again we talked

3436
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:23,040
about that maybe there's some changes we

3437
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:24,960
need to make because it talked about

3438
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:26,639
whether there could be animals, not

3439
02:00:26,639 --> 02:00:28,639
animals, how many feet away it had to be

3440
02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:31,920
from the sleuth bank. And so if you go

3441
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:33,920
into these pictures and I started on the

3442
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:37,840
very north end of Hipper Landings and so

3443
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:39,760
Malcolm can pull these up and you'll see

3444
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:42,320
that I just went along the Her Landing

3445
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:45,119
Slooh. Then I went across the street and

3446
02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:48,320
went over to the Slooh that is there in

3447
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:50,880
Eli's subdivision I believe and then

3448
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:54,080
went down across 5900. So it connects to

3449
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,560
the cemetery. And also the last three

3450
02:00:56,560 --> 02:01:00,800
slides, we have three properties that

3451
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:02,880
currently people are using our property,

3452
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:04,639
but we do not have a lease agreement

3453
02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:07,599
for, which I'm I'm not saying I'm

3454
02:01:07,599 --> 02:01:09,280
against them using it, but I feel like

3455
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:10,960
we should talk about that and have

3456
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:12,639
something in place because if ever that

3457
02:01:12,639 --> 02:01:14,639
property was sold, and you know, those

3458
02:01:14,639 --> 02:01:17,280
will be fairly evident on the pictures

3459
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:19,679
when they show. So, okay, Malcolm, are

3460
02:01:19,679 --> 02:01:21,199
you

3461
02:01:21,199 --> 02:01:24,000
have those? So, Like I said, you know,

3462
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:26,719
we just went along and started taking

3463
02:01:26,719 --> 02:01:28,639
pictures. And if you're familiar with

3464
02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:30,719
the back of her landings, the city owned

3465
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:33,520
quite a large piece and several years

3466
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:36,000
ago, they decided, and this again was

3467
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:37,599
probably about eight or 10 years ago,

3468
02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:39,199
they would lease these properties so

3469
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:47,510
they would take care of it. And so you Oh, you're

3470
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:49,040
Thank you. I'm just going to go through

3471
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:52,000
these fairly quickly. I'm assuming

3472
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:55,679
>> the down Okay. So, you can just see as

3473
02:01:55,679 --> 02:02:00,070
we go. Oops. No.

3474
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:02,560
» Okay. But so you can see, and this is

3475
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:04,239
just an example of where they've moved

3476
02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:05,920
their fences back, which we've allowed

3477
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:07,520
them, and I feel like they take really

3478
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:10,239
good care of these properties. So, as

3479
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:12,480
you go along, you can see some people

3480
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:16,639
that have done it, some people haven't.

3481
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:18,080
Anyway, I'll just keep

3482
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:22,480
>> So, these fences are on city property.

3483
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:24,159
Uhu. And according to our lease

3484
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:27,440
agreement, we allow them to do that.

3485
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:28,960
No team know that, you know, they own

3486
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,920
the fans, but and at any time, the city

3487
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:34,320
can take back this property. And it's a

3488
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:36,800
50-year lease. We charge them a dollar a

3489
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,840
year to be able to do that. And again, I

3490
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:42,960
feel like it's been very advantageous to

3491
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,840
the because you see how nice they look

3492
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:48,159
where you look on the other side, the

3493
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:50,880
right hand side is where the Her city's

3494
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:53,440
responsible for mowing and it just is a

3495
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:56,560
lot of time and effort. So again, you

3496
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:58,560
can just see as you go along. They're

3497
02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:00,960
not all even. Some people have leased

3498
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:03,119
property, some haven't. And that's that

3499
02:03:03,119 --> 02:03:05,199
standard portion that would be nice

3500
02:03:05,199 --> 02:03:07,679
sometime for the city to be able to

3501
02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:10,159
>> in the event that something catastrophic

3502
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:12,960
happened that we had to reclaim that

3503
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:14,880
property. From what I've read into this,

3504
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:18,320
we also would take possession of

3505
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,560
anything that was on that property. Not

3506
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:23,119
that I'm ever anticipating doing that,

3507
02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:26,639
but we wouldn't have to um that the pro

3508
02:03:26,639 --> 02:03:27,920
the fences and stuff that are on there

3509
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:29,360
would be

3510
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:32,320
>> Yes. And I think that should be

3511
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:35,760
something we look at because I I I

3512
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:36,480
don't know.

3513
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:38,800
>> I don't want their fence. I'm sorry.

3514
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:40,560
>> No, take it down.

3515
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:42,080
>> And the residents have paid money for

3516
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:43,679
their fences. So, I don't know

3517
02:03:43,679 --> 02:03:45,280
necessarily, but that is something

3518
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:47,599
that's in our current lease that we

3519
02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:49,920
probably we probably should

3520
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:52,639
>> I would like to cuz if they put it up,

3521
02:03:52,639 --> 02:03:54,239
but I can't imagine what we'd ever have

3522
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:56,239
taken down for, but if we did, I would

3523
02:03:56,239 --> 02:03:58,400
rather they had the option to remove it

3524
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:00,560
rather than it becoming kind of our

3525
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,080
property. And that's kind of what I read

3526
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:05,040
into this was it became our animal.

3527
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:07,280
>> I I agree with that. You go along here

3528
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:09,040
and there are animals and one thing in

3529
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:10,719
our lease agreement it says that they

3530
02:04:10,719 --> 02:04:12,480
can't. And you know one thing I just

3531
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:14,400
wanted to show to you I'll go back one.

3532
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:16,639
Not not all of these agreements are the

3533
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:18,639
same because you see here they maybe

3534
02:04:18,639 --> 02:04:21,199
gained a few feet. Then you go further

3535
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:23,360
and I'm headed south on the trail. They

3536
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:25,840
gained a large portion of land enough

3537
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:28,080
that they can and again and I'm not

3538
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:30,239
saying we want to change it but it's

3539
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:32,400
spend a dollar a year whether they ended

3540
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:37,599
up with 10 feet, five feet or an acre.

3541
02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:40,480
>> But it just saves us just us maintaining

3542
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:41,119
that property.

3543
02:04:41,119 --> 02:04:41,760
>> Yes. Yes.

3544
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,599
>> And and I do I will tell you one thing

3545
02:04:43,599 --> 02:04:45,440
that I have observed and it was just

3546
02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:48,480
last couple days. Um they are not

3547
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:49,599
supposed to have a gate on the back of

3548
02:04:49,599 --> 02:04:50,800
their property wide enough to

3549
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:52,080
accommodate driving through but we have

3550
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:54,480
a horse trailer parked on the property

3551
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:58,639
that we own and that's got to get

3552
02:04:58,639 --> 02:05:01,760
>> I saw that. about the side of the gate.

3553
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:05,760
Okay. Anyway, there's pigs, cows,

3554
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:09,360
horses, chickens, which again, we I

3555
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:11,679
think we just need to be consistent. If

3556
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:12,880
we're going to have that in our base

3557
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:14,880
agreement, then we just need to change

3558
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:17,360
that because again, I don't know why we

3559
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:19,599
have things then we don't you'll see

3560
02:05:19,599 --> 02:05:21,280
this is still going along and now we're

3561
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:25,589
almost to 5100

3562
02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:28,080
and it I feel like it helps the city out

3563
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,239
because then we're not

3564
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:31,520
having to take care of it. Okay, now

3565
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:33,199
we've just Now, now we've jumped across

3566
02:05:33,199 --> 02:05:36,639
the street and this is 5100 behind where

3567
02:05:36,639 --> 02:05:39,360
Eli is and there's that road that goes

3568
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:40,800
through. This is in the back of the

3569
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,280
Hubard's property and they they take

3570
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:45,679
really nice care of that. And we've had

3571
02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:47,440
other residents that have asked along

3572
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:49,760
here, like here for example, no one is,

3573
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,080
but they have asked if they could the

3574
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:55,520
possibility of perhaps having a horse or

3575
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:58,800
something along there to help

3576
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:01,520
that and we haven't allowed them to. But

3577
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:03,679
again, there's, you know, quite a

3578
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:06,080
distance here. And these are all those

3579
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:08,960
properties behind that people have asked

3580
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:12,239
and some we've leased it to and some we

3581
02:06:12,239 --> 02:06:15,040
haven't.

3582
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:16,800
Okay. Now, this now we're across the

3583
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:19,280
bridge. If everyone can follow where we

3584
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:21,520
are on that same trail and then you see

3585
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:22,960
this is someone that we gave the lease

3586
02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:25,440
agreement to that they've put a fence up

3587
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:28,000
next to it and rock and you know it's

3588
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:29,679
really wellmaintained and that's a

3589
02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:32,400
property then the city isn't having to

3590
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:34,480
mow or take care of it because we don't

3591
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:36,880
really have water access there. They

3592
02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:39,360
have an access because they can take it

3593
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:41,679
from their property run sprinklers if

3594
02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:43,280
we're trying to do something and this is

3595
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:44,719
rocks. Some of the others are planting

3596
02:06:44,719 --> 02:06:45,599
grass. Are

3597
02:06:45,599 --> 02:06:47,920
>> they too close?

3598
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:49,760
There's supposed to be a 3ft set back

3599
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:51,040
before they do anything.

3600
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:53,119
>> And and we're also supposed to be 35 ft

3601
02:06:53,119 --> 02:06:55,119
from the

3602
02:06:55,119 --> 02:06:58,400
>> So again,

3603
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:00,960
all of these are not created equal.

3604
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:02,639
That's why I'm saying I felt like we

3605
02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:04,239
needed to look at this and decide what

3606
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:05,920
we want to do. And then this is the

3607
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:08,000
cemetery trail where you start going

3608
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:09,599
down and you can see ones that have

3609
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:11,199
maintained it. It looks really nice.

3610
02:07:11,199 --> 02:07:14,079
They've mowed. They put some trees along

3611
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:16,320
there.

3612
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:19,840
35 from the edge probably not taking

3613
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:21,440
their stances that according to our

3614
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:24,480
lease agreement we would now own which I

3615
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:29,119
don't know if that's something

3616
02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:30,800
is everyone familiar I'm probably just

3617
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:32,079
showing you pictures you're already

3618
02:07:32,079 --> 02:07:33,760
familiar with has everyone walked along

3619
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:35,040
these trails and

3620
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:36,480
>> never have

3621
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:37,040
>> okay

3622
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:40,960
>> I drive along on the road and look in

3623
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:43,360
>> you know this is on behind where it runs

3624
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:49,270
into the cemetery to

3625
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:52,320
So, yeah.

3626
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:54,639
>> What is What is city staff? They're not

3627
02:07:54,639 --> 02:07:56,480
really excited about trying to maintain

3628
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:58,960
this trail, are they?

3629
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,119
>> Well, they're not. And we've been a

3630
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:03,280
little bit short staffed because of some

3631
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:05,679
health concerns this summer. And so, so

3632
02:08:05,679 --> 02:08:07,920
I can tell you

3633
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:10,000
we we take care of what absolutely has

3634
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:12,000
to be done. And I, and probably one of

3635
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:17,440
the last things on the list would be to mow the trails

3636
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:19,840
if they have to be mowing the parks or

3637
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:21,840
making sure that there's the sewers

3638
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:23,840
being maintained. This would probably

3639
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:25,920
and the one that usually mows our trails

3640
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:28,320
is one that has not been able to do that

3641
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:30,639
this summer. So, but but again, we need

3642
02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:32,239
to decide what we want to do because

3643
02:08:32,239 --> 02:08:33,360
then when we have come in and say,

3644
02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:35,440
"Well, I want a horse." And we say, "You

3645
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:36,880
can't have a horse." And they say,

3646
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:39,199
"Well, other people have a horse." Then

3647
02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:41,679
I think we need to

3648
02:08:41,679 --> 02:08:44,000
>> I feel like I have a hard time

3649
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:45,599
We need to manage the standards of other

3650
02:08:45,599 --> 02:08:47,360
people. We can't cut our own grass. You

3651
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,119
know what I mean? We should be managing

3652
02:08:49,119 --> 02:08:51,440
the standards that we should do. I

3653
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:53,199
definitely agree with consistency, but

3654
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:54,880
what does enforcement look like on that?

3655
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:56,960
Is that a code enforcement thing? Is

3656
02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:59,840
that um something? And then how do we

3657
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:01,280
like you said, do we go back and look at

3658
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:03,199
every single lease that we've done? And

3659
02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:04,639
have we ever talked to any of these

3660
02:09:04,639 --> 02:09:07,360
people? I mean, that rock that's on

3661
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:10,480
there with the the the fence on top of

3662
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:12,639
it, if they're in violation, what is our

3663
02:09:12,639 --> 02:09:14,480
plan? Are we going to make a move it? I

3664
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:15,840
mean, that's a big that's a big

3665
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:17,280
undertaking, right?

3666
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:20,239
>> And so, I mean, what do we plan to do?

3667
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:22,320
What would it cost us to enforce this?

3668
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:23,360
You know, are we going to have to take

3669
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:24,719
people to court? I mean, what does that

3670
02:09:24,719 --> 02:09:27,040
look like? I mean, it's the, you know,

3671
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:28,960
Matthew 7. Let's get the spec out of our

3672
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:30,960
own, you know, plank out of our own

3673
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:32,159
before we look at the speck in our

3674
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:35,040
neighbors. So, I'm just curious if we

3675
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:38,079
need to cut our grass first.

3676
02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:39,840
>> And that has been a concern that people

3677
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:41,760
have said. I I don't think we do any

3678
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:44,719
enforcing as far as I know along here.

3679
02:09:44,719 --> 02:09:46,480
It is up to they come in and sign the

3680
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:48,719
lease agreement and it's like an honor

3681
02:09:48,719 --> 02:09:51,119
system. Okay. We believe that you're

3682
02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:53,840
going to take care of it. My thinking is

3683
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:56,079
we just need to decide what we want this

3684
02:09:56,079 --> 02:09:58,159
to be. and any that are already

3685
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:00,159
grandfathered in February. We have these

3686
02:10:00,159 --> 02:10:01,920
agreements, but going forward, are we

3687
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:03,440
allowing horses? We're not allowing

3688
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:05,760
horses. Do we still want to do the

3689
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:08,480
dollar a year? Maybe change some things.

3690
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:11,599
So, we don't own someone's fence. Is it

3691
02:10:11,599 --> 02:10:13,119
35 ft?

3692
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:14,880
>> Dar, I have a question for you. Does I

3693
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:16,880
don't know how this applies in this type

3694
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:18,400
of thing. Does this past practice

3695
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:21,040
supersede code? I mean, we say we don't

3696
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:22,880
allow horses, but we got pigs and horses

3697
02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:23,679
somewhere.

3698
02:10:23,679 --> 02:10:26,000
>> I I see no reason why we couldn't. I

3699
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:27,360
mean, these are

3700
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:30,639
This is our property. We can decide if

3701
02:10:30,639 --> 02:10:32,560
we want to have animals on this piece of

3702
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:34,000
property and we don't want them on this

3703
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:36,480
piece of property. That's that's your

3704
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:39,119
decision ultimately. Um I wanted to talk

3705
02:10:39,119 --> 02:10:40,480
about enforcement though. You look at

3706
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:42,719
the language of them.

3707
02:10:42,719 --> 02:10:44,639
The the reason that I've looked at we

3708
02:10:44,639 --> 02:10:47,520
can revoke them at any time. So

3709
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:51,280
enforcement we can evade. We can revoke

3710
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:52,960
them. We can remove everything off the

3711
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:54,960
property.

3712
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:56,239
We can

3713
02:10:56,239 --> 02:11:00,709
proper they don't we can

3714
02:11:00,719 --> 02:11:04,320
» correct if they don't remove it so we

3715
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:06,719
can there's enforcement mechanisms I

3716
02:11:06,719 --> 02:11:08,400
think the biggest one is that we can

3717
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:12,159
revoke this at any time

3718
02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:16,000
>> okay just going down the road anyway

3719
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:18,639
>> along those lines sounds like they have

3720
02:11:18,639 --> 02:11:23,109
to have a oneear notice

3721
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:26,239
that I don't I've seen I'll have to look

3722
02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:28,159
at them because I've seen some that

3723
02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:31,760
didn't that we didn't have a a year-long

3724
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:35,040
notice. So, is that in the majority

3725
02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:35,520
then?

3726
02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:37,199
>> It just says the city retains the right

3727
02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:39,360
at any time with a one-year notice to

3728
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:41,119
the leasey to cancel this lease.

3729
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:42,000
>> Oh, okay.

3730
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:43,199
>> So, item two.

3731
02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:45,920
>> That seems a little excessive

3732
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:47,040
in there.

3733
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:48,480
>> I mean, we couldn't go change

3734
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:49,360
proactively.

3735
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:51,599
>> No, there was several that I saw.

3736
02:11:51,599 --> 02:11:53,360
>> That's true. That's right. earlier this

3737
02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:55,040
year when I was looking through them for

3738
02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:56,800
different purposes that didn't have

3739
02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:59,840
that. So that's not consistent.

3740
02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:05,430
>> That was pretty lenient, I think.

3741
02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:09,199
» Okay. Well, we'll just keep Okay.

3742
02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:11,199
>> So, so those are those lease agreements.

3743
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:14,159
So, now we're on to

3744
02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:16,480
three properties that again, I'm not

3745
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:17,760
saying we should lease them, but we

3746
02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:19,040
probably need to do something. So, if

3747
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:21,280
you look at this picture on the right is

3748
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:23,520
the church that's up there by Freedom

3749
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:30,800
Elementary. So, you see the um school and then you

3750
02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:32,639
see the house that's to the very far to

3751
02:12:32,639 --> 02:12:34,560
the left. Well, you see where the

3752
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,800
different color of the grass is

3753
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:41,119
currently the home. So, it is the 4696

3754
02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:43,040
has their fence line back to where the

3755
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:45,840
green grass starts and is using that

3756
02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:49,360
portion of the city's property,

3757
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:52,000
which I'm not We own that property. So

3758
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:53,840
the Lash church owns it on the right.

3759
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:56,400
The city owns the property on the left.

3760
02:12:56,400 --> 02:12:58,639
And so our property goes to where that

3761
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:00,880
line is. You can see that's even across

3762
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:02,960
the back with the other properties, but

3763
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:05,199
the property owner has planted trees.

3764
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:06,639
They're using the property up to where

3765
02:13:06,639 --> 02:13:09,440
the green is. So I think somewhere we

3766
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:11,199
probably need to establish a lease

3767
02:13:11,199 --> 02:13:12,880
agreement as well because if ever they

3768
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:15,040
sell their property, the new property

3769
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:18,079
owners probably think they own that but

3770
02:13:18,079 --> 02:13:18,880
they don't.

3771
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:22,079
>> How big is that parcel? You know, I

3772
02:13:22,079 --> 02:13:23,760
>> Well, if you look at these are half

3773
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:26,239
acre. No, these I think are even maybe

3774
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:29,360
quarter acre.

3775
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:31,840
>> So maybe an eighth of an acre. I'm I'm

3776
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,239
not sure. Right. I don't have those.

3777
02:13:34,239 --> 02:13:35,920
>> I'm I'm just guessing because I've seen

3778
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:38,320
that property before. It's probably

3779
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:40,159
around a third of an acre that they are

3780
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:44,870
using.

3781
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:47,760
» Okay. So that is one that I thought that

3782
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:49,920
has been brought to our attention that

3783
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:52,400
and I'm not I don't know when and why

3784
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:55,199
that occurred but but it has. Okay. So

3785
02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:57,599
now you have the next one. So now we're

3786
02:13:57,599 --> 02:14:00,000
down by the state cultural hall down

3787
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:02,480
across the street from the park. So you

3788
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:04,719
see the building where the LDS church is

3789
02:14:04,719 --> 02:14:06,719
where the cultural hall is and you see

3790
02:14:06,719 --> 02:14:09,040
that little narrow piece that's right to

3791
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:10,880
the left hand side of the cultural hall.

3792
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:12,960
That's also owned by the church. Then

3793
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:16,239
you see that place that says 6200 West

3794
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:19,040
that is owned by the city. So again, you

3795
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:21,199
go to 6184

3796
02:14:21,199 --> 02:14:24,400
and you'll see the house of it is using

3797
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:27,760
not all but about 34 of our width going

3798
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:30,320
through there. And that is like that's

3799
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:32,560
supposed to be a road and Herbert days

3800
02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:34,320
they do allow people to go back and

3801
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:37,679
forth. And so again when I asked why did

3802
02:14:37,679 --> 02:14:39,599
we do this and they said well we just we

3803
02:14:39,599 --> 02:14:43,440
just did well. If we're going to just do

3804
02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:44,880
something, I feel like we still should

3805
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:46,400
have some kind of a lease agreement

3806
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:48,239
because what if they ever move and

3807
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:51,280
you'll see they have corrals, you know,

3808
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:54,239
other buildings they built and that and

3809
02:14:54,239 --> 02:14:57,280
that belongs to the city. So somehow we

3810
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:58,960
probably need to get some kind of a

3811
02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:00,719
lease agreement which could be different

3812
02:15:00,719 --> 02:15:02,880
than our trail lease agreements but

3813
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:08,320
something just so they are aware and I don't know that they are or not.

3814
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:09,760
Is this property? This is separate from

3815
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:11,679
the trail lease agreement though, right?

3816
02:15:11,679 --> 02:15:13,360
>> We we have no lease agreements for this.

3817
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:14,880
>> So, we just got somebody who's built on

3818
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:16,400
our property

3819
02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:17,679
>> a long time ago and it's just been

3820
02:15:17,679 --> 02:15:18,880
rolling that way.

3821
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:22,079
>> Any idea whose water is being used to

3822
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:24,320
water these properties is

3823
02:15:24,320 --> 02:15:26,000
>> I I don't know that that's a good

3824
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:27,520
question. I don't know.

3825
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:30,880
>> I thought it was an excellent question.

3826
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:32,719
>> Okay. And then the third and these are

3827
02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:34,400
only three that I'm aware of and we

3828
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:36,560
could have lots more than this in

3829
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:37,679
Herbert. Did you have a question,

3830
02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:40,079
Darren, before we go to the next one?

3831
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:42,560
>> I just I'm just getting familiar looking

3832
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:45,440
at that provision about the

3833
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:48,079
one-year lease. I've given the idea to

3834
02:15:48,079 --> 02:15:49,599
the council for these types of

3835
02:15:49,599 --> 02:15:51,360
properties that we can do what's called

3836
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:53,520
a license agreement.

3837
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:55,599
Separate specific agreement for each of

3838
02:15:55,599 --> 02:15:58,239
these properties um where we would have

3839
02:15:58,239 --> 02:15:59,920
the ability to take back our property

3840
02:15:59,920 --> 02:16:03,760
when we wanted our decision.

3841
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:05,760
It might be a little safer. This one

3842
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:07,599
year lease language does make me a

3843
02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:09,920
little nervous.

3844
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:11,360
>> Yeah, it's one year and it only says

3845
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:13,599
that an emergency can supersede it and

3846
02:16:13,599 --> 02:16:15,040
then it says if there's a dispute that

3847
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:16,400
we have to go to mediation.

3848
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:20,560
>> Correct. I just saw that. So

3849
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:22,239
I've I've hinted that I've given that an

3850
02:16:22,239 --> 02:16:24,560
idea. I've used that several times with

3851
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:27,199
in different cities. It acts the same

3852
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:30,639
way. They can use the property for

3853
02:16:30,639 --> 02:16:33,679
specific things how

3854
02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:35,599
But we have the right to go in and take

3855
02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:37,679
the property. We give a more reasonable

3856
02:16:37,679 --> 02:16:40,479
notice like 30 days or 60 days something

3857
02:16:40,479 --> 02:16:42,479
would be more reasonable.

3858
02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:44,080
>> But your legal recommendation would be

3859
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:46,000
not to proceed with it the way it sits.

3860
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:47,599
>> The way it sits. No.

3861
02:16:47,599 --> 02:16:52,559
>> Well, I I agree. It's in our court. If

3862
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:55,280
uh we put that up front and say we can

3863
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:57,920
take it any time, then they have the

3864
02:16:57,920 --> 02:17:00,639
decision. Well, maybe I don't want to

3865
02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:03,120
lease this. And put all this stuff on

3866
02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:06,479
there if you can do that. So I think we

3867
02:17:06,479 --> 02:17:09,840
put it to benefit us.

3868
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:11,439
>> The whole point we want them to take

3869
02:17:11,439 --> 02:17:14,080
care of the property that actually gets

3870
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:16,000
taken care of. I think that'll be the

3871
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:17,439
whole point of us doing this in the

3872
02:17:17,439 --> 02:17:20,399
first place. So

3873
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:22,160
>> with this one specifically, there was an

3874
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:23,519
incident that came up that there was an

3875
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:25,519
injured horse because kids were riding

3876
02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:28,080
motorcycles and scared the horse and

3877
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,080
then they came into the city. Well, then

3878
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:32,240
come to find out their wasn't on their

3879
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:34,960
property. It was on city property

3880
02:17:34,960 --> 02:17:36,800
because they had their whole corral and

3881
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:39,040
everything. So that got me thinking,

3882
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:40,800
okay, legally we probably need to be

3883
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:42,800
making sure we are doing something to

3884
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:44,719
cover us

3885
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:47,280
because it was and understandably it's

3886
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:49,120
never a good thing when an animal is

3887
02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:51,760
injured. And so but again, we don't have

3888
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:54,479
anything other than anyway.

3889
02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:56,559
>> So just to be clear on this particular

3890
02:17:56,559 --> 02:17:59,040
property, there's no agreement at all.

3891
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:01,760
Like they're just using our and having

3892
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:03,359
their horse on. They built buildings on

3893
02:18:03,359 --> 02:18:05,120
our property that we haven't authorized.

3894
02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:06,639
We don't have any lease agreement. Is

3895
02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:09,920
there any action of enforcement on that

3896
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:10,639
>> at this point?

3897
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:13,200
>> We can remove it whenever we want. It's

3898
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:13,760
property.

3899
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:15,679
>> I mean, but at the point we're aware

3900
02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:19,040
there's an issue with the horse. Are we

3901
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:24,479
liable? It's on our land and we know that it's a

3902
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:26,080
problem.

3903
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:28,319
>> So, I'm not going to discuss that in

3904
02:18:28,319 --> 02:18:31,519
this um I don't need to.

3905
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:35,439
that privately for legal advice, but

3906
02:18:35,439 --> 02:18:37,120
it's our property. We can have them get

3907
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:40,479
off. We can give them a notice. We and

3908
02:18:40,479 --> 02:18:41,920
if they don't within a certain amount of

3909
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:44,479
time, we can remove it. There's no

3910
02:18:44,479 --> 02:18:45,920
they're not taking they don't have a

3911
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:47,439
right to the property. There's nothing

3912
02:18:47,439 --> 02:18:50,000
sort person does not have legal taking

3913
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:53,599
for city own property. For the liability

3914
02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:55,519
question, I think we should be concerned

3915
02:18:55,519 --> 02:18:57,679
about what's happening on our property.

3916
02:18:57,679 --> 02:19:00,960
Um that's where we agreement.

3917
02:19:00,960 --> 02:19:03,200
>> If we had a lease, it would relieve us

3918
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:04,639
of some of that liability.

3919
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:06,399
>> Make sure that we have, you know,

3920
02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:07,599
>> it was stated properly.

3921
02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:12,870
>> It would us.

3922
02:19:12,880 --> 02:19:15,280
» Well, with with Upper tomato days, then

3923
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:19,359
there isn't the ability for trucks and horse traders to be able to pull in

3924
02:19:19,359 --> 02:19:21,599
from the road on the other side, which

3925
02:19:21,599 --> 02:19:26,080
would be I believe it's 57 5800 south,

3926
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:28,240
then go through. But it is a little bit

3927
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:31,200
obstructed to get through there. Anyway,

3928
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:33,280
we need to do something, I feel. Okay,

3929
02:19:33,280 --> 02:19:35,519
let's go. There's just one more. So,

3930
02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:39,120
this is the property that is on 6300

3931
02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:43,439
West that is right next to our this um

3932
02:19:43,439 --> 02:19:46,639
the low sewer. It's one of our our

3933
02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:49,359
vacuum stations. So again, if you look

3934
02:19:49,359 --> 02:19:51,359
to where the property line is, you can

3935
02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:54,560
see that well Her city when they put up

3936
02:19:54,560 --> 02:19:56,640
their fence around the sewer, you can

3937
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:58,160
see where they put the fence up. But

3938
02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:00,960
again, we have this person now that is

3939
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:04,000
using where the green is, where the tree

3940
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:06,080
is, where the brown, the white that is

3941
02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:08,160
on Her City property and they came in

3942
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:10,479
and wanted to purchase it and I don't

3943
02:20:10,479 --> 02:20:12,000
remember if that was this year or last

3944
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:14,720
year and the council said no. But again,

3945
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:17,120
we've never signed a license with them

3946
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:20,240
or lease agreement. Again, we just have

3947
02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:22,560
a large piece and we really don't want

3948
02:20:22,560 --> 02:20:24,240
to sell this because if ever we needed

3949
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,720
to do something with that list or with

3950
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:28,880
the vacuum station, we want to maintain

3951
02:20:28,880 --> 02:20:30,960
that property. Like I said, these are

3952
02:20:30,960 --> 02:20:32,479
only three that I'm aware of that have

3953
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:34,240
been brought to my attention. But I

3954
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:36,800
think we should have something in place

3955
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:40,000
so we can at least have some legality

3956
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:43,680
here for our property.

3957
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:46,319
So, I would recommend taking the advice

3958
02:20:46,319 --> 02:20:48,960
of legal counsel to create a license for

3959
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:50,640
these properties that Sher just talked

3960
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:54,640
about. Um, and then have a different um

3961
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:57,200
agreement with our trails or trail

3962
02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:01,040
property leases. So, I would I guess ask

3963
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:05,520
legal to create a license agreement and

3964
02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:09,520
also a trail less,

3965
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:11,520
two different things. So is the license

3966
02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:13,359
specific to these

3967
02:21:13,359 --> 02:21:15,600
>> to to properties that are not adjacent

3968
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:16,399
to a trail?

3969
02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:18,160
>> Not all not adjacent. So we continue

3970
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:20,240
with the lease along the slooh or the

3971
02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:20,720
trail.

3972
02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:21,920
>> I would think so.

3973
02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:23,840
>> But a modified version of that lease

3974
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:25,120
have like the year and all. Yeah.

3975
02:21:25,120 --> 02:21:26,960
Something that's a little better.

3976
02:21:26,960 --> 02:21:29,359
>> I actually received a list of all the

3977
02:21:29,359 --> 02:21:31,840
properties that were owned in city a

3978
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:33,359
little while back. I haven't had a time

3979
02:21:33,359 --> 02:21:35,120
to review that real carefully, but we

3980
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:36,960
have quite a few. There might be more

3981
02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:40,000
than we are even dealing with that would

3982
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:42,720
come under this in kind of a blanket

3983
02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:44,960
policy that are not by the trail

3984
02:21:44,960 --> 02:21:47,920
specifically and these are I'm trying to

3985
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:52,800
see the term like 50 years or something

3986
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:55,520
>> on the trail.

3987
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:58,399
>> So they would come up in that time frame

3988
02:21:58,399 --> 02:22:01,680
but um that's long for these type of

3989
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:03,520
leases. I don't think we want a 50year

3990
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:05,280
lease on these. So, so how long is the

3991
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:06,399
license? Generally,

3992
02:22:06,399 --> 02:22:08,560
>> the license we can have it for

3993
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:09,280
>> 10 years.

3994
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:11,040
>> Yeah. 10 years, 30 years, something like

3995
02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:16,710
that. We could just be different.

3996
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:23,280
» You could have it be that way.

3997
02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:25,040
>> Seems to me a whole different list of

3998
02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:27,600
rules for license versus the trails.

3999
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:30,479
>> They kind of they kind of are

4000
02:22:30,479 --> 02:22:32,800
Yes, they you can do the same with them

4001
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:34,720
that we're trying to

4002
02:22:34,720 --> 02:22:36,880
Um the one thing to point out according

4003
02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:38,560
to our code each of those will have to

4004
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:40,160
come before the council and be approved

4005
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:42,640
if it is a lease.

4006
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:44,319
>> So just so

4007
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:46,479
>> well if it's all licenses it would have

4008
02:22:46,479 --> 02:22:47,280
to be

4009
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:50,790
>> not necessarily

4010
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:51,200
that

4011
02:22:51,200 --> 02:22:52,960
>> that's not in the lease that's not in

4012
02:22:52,960 --> 02:22:55,359
the the code. So

4013
02:22:55,359 --> 02:22:56,640
>> should we include that?

4014
02:22:56,640 --> 02:22:58,640
>> We could if you want that to come before

4015
02:22:58,640 --> 02:23:00,240
the council or if you want staff to kind

4016
02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:03,280
of handle that type of issue they can.

4017
02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:04,640
Well, that was one of my questions on

4018
02:23:04,640 --> 02:23:06,479
the lease agreement with trails is

4019
02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:09,120
number 10. Lease property should not be

4020
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:10,479
for the keeping of animals unless

4021
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:13,680
approved by the city and events. Who's

4022
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:16,160
the city? Is that staff? Is that

4023
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:17,520
council? Is that mayor?

4024
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:19,120
>> I think if we're discussing I think

4025
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:20,479
we're discussing leases and according to

4026
02:23:20,479 --> 02:23:22,160
our code changes, it would be the

4027
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:22,560
council.

4028
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:24,560
>> So, I think we need to be more clear on

4029
02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:26,399
that as well.

4030
02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:28,479
>> So, to be clear on that, would you want

4031
02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:30,960
that to be like staff or would you want

4032
02:23:30,960 --> 02:23:35,190
that to be the council?

4033
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:36,960
I agree. It just needs to be more clear

4034
02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:38,880
and I and I don't and then that could

4035
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:40,640
maybe have some language like you had

4036
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:42,080
mentioned we could determine whether we

4037
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:43,840
want animals or not because right now it

4038
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:47,439
just says no animals 35 ft. Well, we

4039
02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:49,359
know we're not doing that or like the

4040
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:51,840
fence beyond said of the city. So, I

4041
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:53,359
think we need to have something language

4042
02:23:53,359 --> 02:23:55,280
in there more that it can come to so

4043
02:23:55,280 --> 02:23:56,800
someone could come and say, "Look, I

4044
02:23:56,800 --> 02:23:59,200
have this extra acre. Can I put two

4045
02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:02,560
horses?" That would be

4046
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:06,240
Dale, did you have a concern with um

4047
02:24:06,240 --> 02:24:09,280
license versus lease in

4048
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:11,600
making sure that they are because you

4049
02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:13,439
said you could do a license for each one

4050
02:24:13,439 --> 02:24:14,800
differently. Can we do a lease for each

4051
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:15,520
one differently?

4052
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:15,840
>> Yeah.

4053
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:17,760
>> Okay. So, that that wasn't a concern.

4054
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:19,920
License to lease based on the ability to

4055
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:20,560
make them different.

4056
02:24:20,560 --> 02:24:21,600
>> I'd have to go look at our code

4057
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:23,600
language. I know that there's there was

4058
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:27,040
discussion initially for leases that

4059
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:28,960
they had to be fair market value or the

4060
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:31,200
best interest of the city. So there

4061
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:32,640
would have to be a consistency of what

4062
02:24:32,640 --> 02:24:34,720
these things are charged and I think

4063
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:36,880
that would come up that would be your

4064
02:24:36,880 --> 02:24:38,240
that would be the council's decision

4065
02:24:38,240 --> 02:24:39,280
according to our code.

4066
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:41,439
>> But if it was like the standard like $1

4067
02:24:41,439 --> 02:24:42,960
per year like we've done but maybe it's

4068
02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:44,960
not 50 years or whatever that is then we

4069
02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:46,000
wouldn't fall into that. I'm just

4070
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:48,640
curious if like specifically we know

4071
02:24:48,640 --> 02:24:50,240
that we've got somebody on lease

4072
02:24:50,240 --> 02:24:52,640
property who's got horses or pigs or

4073
02:24:52,640 --> 02:24:54,399
whatever and somebody came before the

4074
02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:56,880
council to request the use animals and

4075
02:24:56,880 --> 02:25:00,000
it was approved by the city uh council.

4076
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:02,399
um or not approved. Do we have an issue

4077
02:25:02,399 --> 02:25:03,120
there?

4078
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:06,880
>> I there would be an issue politically

4079
02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:08,160
but legally

4080
02:25:08,160 --> 02:25:11,200
>> arbitrarian capric legally there's no

4081
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:12,720
issue.

4082
02:25:12,720 --> 02:25:14,399
>> I don't think there's an issue.

4083
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:17,840
>> So with these trail leases I don't know

4084
02:25:17,840 --> 02:25:20,080
you guys's opinion but I'm thinking that

4085
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:23,760
ones that don't their houses don't go to

4086
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:26,399
the slew I don't have a problem with

4087
02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:29,439
them having horses pigs you know they

4088
02:25:29,439 --> 02:25:32,000
take care of them. But the ones that the

4089
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:35,920
houses uh have to go down to the SLO, we

4090
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:38,319
got to take into consideration

4091
02:25:38,319 --> 02:25:40,880
uh probably animals that's going to

4092
02:25:40,880 --> 02:25:43,600
start sloughing off into the slooh and

4093
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:46,240
then we've got a big problem.

4094
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:49,439
>> I do have a little um issue with the 35

4095
02:25:49,439 --> 02:25:51,680
foot from the Slooh bank. I know we need

4096
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:53,600
to keep it away, but that's a long way.

4097
02:25:53,600 --> 02:25:56,160
It's like over on 5500

4098
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:57,920
down here where that property is. If we

4099
02:25:57,920 --> 02:26:00,960
take 35 Slooh bank they have a whole lot

4100
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:03,280
of ground in between there. I just I

4101
02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:05,120
think that could be moderated a little

4102
02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:08,080
bit without any danger to the SLO

4103
02:26:08,080 --> 02:26:09,920
banking

4104
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:11,040
off there.

4105
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:12,640
>> Is that our determination or is that

4106
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:14,399
number set by like the core of engineers

4107
02:26:14,399 --> 02:26:16,640
or something like who who decides what

4108
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:19,600
>> we did and we decided that there's no

4109
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:20,720
>> Was there a reason? Was it just an

4110
02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:23,040
archery number we picked? I'm sure it is

4111
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:25,040
because they have an ement down the

4112
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:28,319
slooh but it ain't 35 ft.

4113
02:26:28,319 --> 02:26:32,560
It's like maybe 10.

4114
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:34,399
>> And I thought that number came from the

4115
02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:38,479
center of the tot mark. But this is kind

4116
02:26:38,479 --> 02:26:40,319
of alluding to the fact that from the

4117
02:26:40,319 --> 02:26:44,080
bank to the 35t mark.

4118
02:26:44,080 --> 02:26:46,160
>> So it was from the center.

4119
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:47,920
>> 35 is not that bad.

4120
02:26:47,920 --> 02:26:50,720
>> No from the center wouldn't be that bad.

4121
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:51,680
I misunderstood.

4122
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:53,200
>> I mean, I'm just thinking of a football

4123
02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:56,479
field, the 10 yard line. That's not a

4124
02:26:56,479 --> 02:26:58,160
lot of

4125
02:26:58,160 --> 02:26:59,439
>> No, if it's from the center,

4126
02:26:59,439 --> 02:27:01,200
>> but it's it's on the non trail.

4127
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:02,960
>> Yeah. But our language doesn't say that.

4128
02:27:02,960 --> 02:27:05,280
So, if we want it to be 35 ft from the

4129
02:27:05,280 --> 02:27:07,200
center, then we need to say that because

4130
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:08,080
ours says

4131
02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:11,750
>> from the nonra.

4132
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:13,680
» Yeah. So, we need to do that from center

4133
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:16,000
if we're going to do that 35 ft. If not,

4134
02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:21,910
we need to modify that.

4135
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:24,960
just discuss just a discussion. So we'll

4136
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:26,479
just leave it up to legal counsel to

4137
02:27:26,479 --> 02:27:27,760
come up with something that we'll come

4138
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:31,040
back and talk about this then

4139
02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:33,280
>> you need more direction.

4140
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:43,030
>> I'll reach out.

4141
02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:45,120
» Okay. If no further discussion on that,

4142
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:47,200
then we're going to go in now to action

4143
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:50,399
items A. That is the approval of the

4144
02:27:50,399 --> 02:27:52,800
ordinance 20263

4145
02:27:52,800 --> 02:27:55,439
that has to do with amending chapter

4146
02:27:55,439 --> 02:27:58,399
one, relocating some things with

4147
02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:01,680
electronic messaging, excuse me,

4148
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:03,359
electronic meetings. We talked about

4149
02:28:03,359 --> 02:28:06,479
this in a work meeting prior and so our

4150
02:28:06,479 --> 02:28:08,560
legal council has worked on this, moved

4151
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:11,200
some things around. We had some things

4152
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:13,280
already that were in our existing as far

4153
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:16,240
as putting newspaper notices out when

4154
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:17,600
we're having meetings that don't really

4155
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:19,680
even apply anymore. So like Darren did a

4156
02:28:19,680 --> 02:28:22,399
great job I feel like consolidating this

4157
02:28:22,399 --> 02:28:24,479
into the pertinent information that we

4158
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:26,720
need. So hopefully all of you have had a

4159
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:29,280
chance to read through this and we can

4160
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:31,680
discuss this or then if not discussion

4161
02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:35,760
we can have a motion to approve this.

4162
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:37,760
>> So my only discussion would be that I

4163
02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:39,359
would I don't know it seems to me like

4164
02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:42,000
we have something in there. I didn't

4165
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:44,240
actually read that to where there was no

4166
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:47,040
conversation with outside sources during

4167
02:28:47,040 --> 02:28:49,359
that meeting. I couldn't specifically

4168
02:28:49,359 --> 02:28:51,920
find where somebody couldn't be on their

4169
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:53,520
cell phone listening to somebody else

4170
02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:56,399
while they were talking to us. And I

4171
02:28:56,399 --> 02:28:58,160
guess we have sort of trust them because

4172
02:28:58,160 --> 02:29:00,800
they would be able to call us on a Zoom

4173
02:29:00,800 --> 02:29:02,560
meeting and let us know what's going on.

4174
02:29:02,560 --> 02:29:04,560
I just don't know how we would ever

4175
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:08,160
regulate somebody having somebody mut.

4176
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:10,319
So they would according to how it's

4177
02:29:10,319 --> 02:29:11,920
written they can it would be the mayor's

4178
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:13,840
discretion if there's issues. I think

4179
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:15,520
it's under that number six. Sorry it's

4180
02:29:15,520 --> 02:29:16,800
been a minute since I've worked on this.

4181
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:19,280
I sent this to each of you individually.

4182
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:21,520
Um now that would be for six. Six would

4183
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:23,840
be for the closed meeting issues. Um but

4184
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:25,600
the technical disqualifications would be

4185
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:28,640
for four. That would be under four. Um

4186
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:30,080
and it's determined by the chair that

4187
02:29:30,080 --> 02:29:31,760
the remote member of the public body

4188
02:29:31,760 --> 02:29:33,920
cannot be clearly heard or the remote

4189
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:35,439
member cannot clearly hear the meeting

4190
02:29:35,439 --> 02:29:36,880
proceeding that the member shall be

4191
02:29:36,880 --> 02:29:38,640
restricted. further participating or

4192
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:40,319
voting in the meeting until the

4193
02:29:40,319 --> 02:29:45,040
technical issue resolved um as well.

4194
02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:47,439
>> I just don't see anything in there that

4195
02:29:47,439 --> 02:29:50,240
stops them from you know and it'd be

4196
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:52,160
really difficult to tell because they

4197
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:54,479
may need to contact us but I don't want

4198
02:29:54,479 --> 02:29:57,120
somebody being coached during a meeting

4199
02:29:57,120 --> 02:29:58,800
if they you know

4200
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:00,560
>> aren't there already any ordinances that

4201
02:30:00,560 --> 02:30:02,319
cover that? I mean we're not supposed to

4202
02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:04,000
be texting people outside of our meeting

4203
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:05,280
right now in public.

4204
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:07,359
>> Correct. There's there's the issue of

4205
02:30:07,359 --> 02:30:10,800
public meetings. Um if we're texting

4206
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:12,160
other people and there's potential

4207
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:15,600
grandma issues um that those would

4208
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:19,680
become record or become a city record um

4209
02:30:19,680 --> 02:30:22,240
during a public meeting like that but I

4210
02:30:22,240 --> 02:30:23,760
know I thought I had that. Let me look

4211
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:27,280
through it real quickly. Sorry.

4212
02:30:27,280 --> 02:30:28,960
>> One thing here that was I felt like

4213
02:30:28,960 --> 02:30:30,399
we've talked about which was really good

4214
02:30:30,399 --> 02:30:33,120
is it does talk about when with the

4215
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:35,280
video that you have to be able to you

4216
02:30:35,280 --> 02:30:37,359
know the members video Even in the past,

4217
02:30:37,359 --> 02:30:39,520
we've had meetings where there was no

4218
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:42,080
video feed and so that I mean still

4219
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:44,560
you're right council member we couldn't

4220
02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:46,000
really see texting but

4221
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:49,040
>> so 3A the member should be located and

4222
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:50,880
setting free from unauthorized third

4223
02:30:50,880 --> 02:30:53,120
party disruptions background noise or

4224
02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:54,880
visual distractions I think the cell

4225
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:57,200
phone issue is something that's

4226
02:30:57,200 --> 02:31:01,200
existence everywhere on the D and

4227
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:03,680
virtual as well

4228
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:11,910
>> so just have trust they're doing it Any

4229
02:31:11,920 --> 02:31:14,399
other discussion, questions on this

4230
02:31:14,399 --> 02:31:15,920
ordinance?

4231
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:18,319
>> Question 114

4232
02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:20,160
B1.

4233
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:21,840
Such regular meetings the city council

4234
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:24,720
shall schedule regular meetings at least

4235
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:27,520
once monthly. Was was that changed from

4236
02:31:27,520 --> 02:31:28,479
twice?

4237
02:31:28,479 --> 02:31:31,200
>> That was changed from twice in our code.

4238
02:31:31,200 --> 02:31:35,040
So state code requires one. So then

4239
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:36,960
It proceeds to say that it should be

4240
02:31:36,960 --> 02:31:41,120
every um first and third Thursday

4241
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:43,040
um which would be according to how we

4242
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:45,359
adopt when we have meetings at the

4243
02:31:45,359 --> 02:31:48,160
beginning of the year but the state code

4244
02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:49,359
only requires once

4245
02:31:49,359 --> 02:31:50,720
>> so that's from state code

4246
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:52,560
>> correct or still says twice our local

4247
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:52,800
code

4248
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:54,800
>> our local code right now says twice

4249
02:31:54,800 --> 02:31:56,399
>> yeah we already talked about that and I

4250
02:31:56,399 --> 02:31:57,920
think we were all pretty much in tune

4251
02:31:57,920 --> 02:31:59,120
with the fact that we should be

4252
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:00,399
scheduled twice

4253
02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:02,000
>> well and one thing to have this in our

4254
02:32:02,000 --> 02:32:04,160
code was even like last time was July

4255
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:05,120
4th

4256
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:07,280
Then it ended up being we were under

4257
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:09,680
that Thursday because there was no city

4258
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:12,479
staff here because it was and so then we

4259
02:32:12,479 --> 02:32:14,080
need to have something in our code that

4260
02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:16,240
allows us. For example, if it was the

4261
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:18,560
same week of Thanksgiving that we can

4262
02:32:18,560 --> 02:32:21,040
cancel a meeting and currently in our

4263
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:23,760
code we we really should not be doing

4264
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:26,160
that unless if we allow it notice. I

4265
02:32:26,160 --> 02:32:27,840
think that was a justification for the

4266
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:28,399
one

4267
02:32:28,399 --> 02:32:31,680
>> for for the one um the meetings that

4268
02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:32,960
that's what me and Nick are going to be

4269
02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:36,080
doing is we start looking these. Our

4270
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:39,200
code really just needs help everywhere.

4271
02:32:39,200 --> 02:32:41,920
This had so much information that didn't

4272
02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:44,800
need to be there at all. Um so this just

4273
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:48,000
got taken back down um to where it needs

4274
02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:50,240
to be. The state code really talks about

4275
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:52,640
noticing and everything needs to happen

4276
02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:55,520
there. Um this we're just trying to

4277
02:32:55,520 --> 02:33:01,110
simplify it for everyone.

4278
02:33:01,120 --> 02:33:03,359
Any other questions, discussion on this

4279
02:33:03,359 --> 02:33:04,160
ordinance?

4280
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:06,160
>> Just as a matter of uh conflict because

4281
02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:07,680
I don't know who's used it at this

4282
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:08,960
point, but since all of us it's

4283
02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:10,399
susceptible to everyone, is there a

4284
02:33:10,399 --> 02:33:12,000
conflict here? Do I need to disclose

4285
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:14,240
that as somebody who's used it regularly

4286
02:33:14,240 --> 02:33:15,120
on my vote?

4287
02:33:15,120 --> 02:33:16,960
>> No, this is not a conflict of interest.

4288
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:18,880
>> All right.

4289
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:20,399
>> Okay. If there's no other discussion,

4290
02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:22,160
then would someone like to make an

4291
02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:24,319
motion to approve ordinance number

4292
02:33:24,319 --> 02:33:28,790
202603?

4293
02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:30,640
I'll make a motion to approve ordinance

4294
02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:34,870
number 2026-03.

4295
02:33:34,880 --> 02:33:36,479
» Do you want him to read that entire

4296
02:33:36,479 --> 02:33:38,240
paragraph?

4297
02:33:38,240 --> 02:33:39,120
>> That's okay.

4298
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:39,600
>> Okay.

4299
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:40,880
>> I'll second the motion.

4300
02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:42,720
>> Okay. The motion was made by council

4301
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:44,399
member Hancock. It was seconded by

4302
02:33:44,399 --> 02:33:47,680
council member Hill. Any discussion

4303
02:33:47,680 --> 02:33:49,760
>> on the motion?

4304
02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:51,760
Okay. Because this is an ordinance, we

4305
02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:53,520
are going to do it by roll call vote.

4306
02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:54,960
This time we'll start with council

4307
02:33:54,960 --> 02:33:56,560
member Bowers. Hi,

4308
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:57,680
>> Council Member Craig.

4309
02:33:57,680 --> 02:33:58,319
>> Hi,

4310
02:33:58,319 --> 02:33:59,760
>> Council Member Hancock.

4311
02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:00,560
>> Hi,

4312
02:34:00,560 --> 02:34:02,000
>> Council Member Rapalto.

4313
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:02,479
>> Hi,

4314
02:34:02,479 --> 02:34:03,600
>> Council Member Hill.

4315
02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:04,080
>> Hi.

4316
02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:06,479
>> Okay, that ordinance passes. Okay, thank

4317
02:34:06,479 --> 02:34:09,920
you. Okay, so the next thing on our

4318
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:13,200
agenda is an action item and it is C,

4319
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:15,680
approval of awarding bid to ENT sheet

4320
02:34:15,680 --> 02:34:18,800
metal for the HVAC upgrades. These are

4321
02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:22,080
for our sewer vacuum stations at the

4322
02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:25,680
north, north, low, and town station. So

4323
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:27,680
I don't know if we have a presentation

4324
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:32,319
on this prior to just the council asking

4325
02:34:32,319 --> 02:34:34,560
having a discussion.

4326
02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:35,439
>> No,

4327
02:34:35,439 --> 02:34:38,560
>> I mean I can talk about it for

4328
02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:40,000
>> Okay. Well, we'll just

4329
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:43,200
>> I have some prep uh some comments on

4330
02:34:43,200 --> 02:34:47,120
this and uh uh I apologize there's an

4331
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:50,080
awful lot here. Uh this is the condensed

4332
02:34:50,080 --> 02:34:55,920
version. Uh you know this started months ago when

4333
02:34:55,920 --> 02:35:05,600
uh uh we went down and looked at the uh sewer system and the building and

4334
02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:07,120
um

4335
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:08,880
actually I'm just going to back up and

4336
02:35:08,880 --> 02:35:10,960
go through each item. I think it covers

4337
02:35:10,960 --> 02:35:12,479
everything. Otherwise I'm going to skip

4338
02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:15,920
over some of this stuff that's uh very

4339
02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:20,399
important and uh and then I'll I'll

4340
02:35:20,399 --> 02:35:24,640
concluded at the end. Um, so part of

4341
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:26,800
this is, and I guess we ought to start

4342
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:31,840
out the uh bid for this was $534,000

4343
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:36,560
for this. In our discussion in

4344
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:39,840
uh our budget meeting, we were thinking

4345
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:43,439
around $160 to $180,000.

4346
02:35:43,439 --> 02:35:45,359
I can't remember exactly what got

4347
02:35:45,359 --> 02:35:48,880
budgeted, but since that time, a whole

4348
02:35:48,880 --> 02:35:53,520
lot more has been added to this bid that

4349
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:56,720
was and I don't did JUB do it or did I

4350
02:35:56,720 --> 02:35:58,800
just heard today maybe somebody else

4351
02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:01,760
actually brought that up as he engineer?

4352
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:04,160
>> Do you mind coming up to the microphone

4353
02:36:04,160 --> 02:36:06,080
if not our residents can't hear?

4354
02:36:06,080 --> 02:36:08,399
>> Yeah, we hired as a sub engineer

4355
02:36:08,399 --> 02:36:11,359
something as he engineer to do the HVAC

4356
02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:14,319
and electrical design. Well, and uh you

4357
02:36:14,319 --> 02:36:15,920
know, if they listen to this, they're

4358
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:17,680
going to be offended by what I say

4359
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:20,319
because I don't believe anything that

4360
02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:24,399
they not anything, but uh uh let me just

4361
02:36:24,399 --> 02:36:27,920
give you some real evidence from uh

4362
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:31,600
proof of uh these air conditioners.

4363
02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:34,720
Uh and part of uh all these comments is

4364
02:36:34,720 --> 02:36:37,120
I'm representing the 9,000 plus

4365
02:36:37,120 --> 02:36:39,520
residents here trying to save them

4366
02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:42,319
$350,000.

4367
02:36:42,319 --> 02:36:45,920
uh that uh I think's in excess of what

4368
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:49,520
this should have been. U I'm going

4369
02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:52,080
to go back to a building in Ogden where

4370
02:36:52,080 --> 02:36:56,080
I worked. Uh we had retail space of uh

4371
02:36:56,080 --> 02:36:58,640
about 4,000 square ft, one air

4372
02:36:58,640 --> 02:37:02,160
conditioned for the office and swamp

4373
02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:04,800
cooler for uh the retail. We didn't like

4374
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:08,240
it. We had an engineer uh company come

4375
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:11,280
in, put all this ducting in, put this AC

4376
02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:15,280
in. Three years later, it's still not

4377
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:19,120
what we wanted. And so uh that's when I

4378
02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:23,760
got introduced to uh uh Brooklyn and he

4379
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:25,600
come out and looked at he's the one that

4380
02:37:25,600 --> 02:37:27,840
come out and looked at the one in Hopper

4381
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:31,040
that we never did get a give him the

4382
02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:35,120
opportunity to bid on, but uh

4383
02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:37,280
First thing he come in and said was,

4384
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:40,000
"Uh, all that ducting needs to be

4385
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:43,359
removed. You're restricting the airflow

4386
02:37:43,359 --> 02:37:47,520
in this 4,000 square ft."

4387
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:51,040
And he says, "Let's just put a uh 10 ton

4388
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:52,880
air conditioner

4389
02:37:52,880 --> 02:37:56,560
uh through the wall that blows in and

4390
02:37:56,560 --> 02:37:58,560
there's a vent that sucks it out." And

4391
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:03,200
this is covering 4,000 square ft.

4392
02:38:03,200 --> 02:38:08,399
We can keep that uh at 70 degrees 72 uh

4393
02:38:08,399 --> 02:38:11,120
degrees without any problem in the very

4394
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:12,720
hottest

4395
02:38:12,720 --> 02:38:15,600
uh days of the month.

4396
02:38:15,600 --> 02:38:18,399
And our secretaries that work there,

4397
02:38:18,399 --> 02:38:21,600
they'll come to us like a long sweaters

4398
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:23,520
and everything cuz it's too cold for

4399
02:38:23,520 --> 02:38:27,520
them. And these pump houses down here, I

4400
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:29,359
walked it off. I don't know the exact

4401
02:38:29,359 --> 02:38:31,840
square footage, but just walking it off.

4402
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:34,479
uh come up to 288

4403
02:38:34,479 --> 02:38:37,600
square ft. So, a lot smaller.

4404
02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:40,399
Uh this worked great. So, these same

4405
02:38:40,399 --> 02:38:43,920
units, we have a shop that's 8,000

4406
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:50,000
square ft, 16 ft tall. We've got uh 64x

4407
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:52,800
20 doors on there that are opening uh

4408
02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:56,080
every day, all day. And the asphalt

4409
02:38:56,080 --> 02:38:58,160
that's outside of there on the hot day

4410
02:38:58,160 --> 02:39:02,160
is 130°. So, there's a lot of uh hot air

4411
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:06,399
coming in. And this and these two units

4412
02:39:06,399 --> 02:39:08,800
uh are installed the same way. No

4413
02:39:08,800 --> 02:39:12,000
ducting uh whatsoever.

4414
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:16,560
And we can uh we set it at 72 or 74 out

4415
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:19,680
in the shop there. Again, uh I went in

4416
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:21,280
there yesterday. I went to Idaho,

4417
02:39:21,280 --> 02:39:23,760
stopped in there to drop off a trailer,

4418
02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:27,520
walked in there, it was 72°.

4419
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:30,720
Uh, no ducting.

4420
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:34,640
Um, Berkeland has installed the same

4421
02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:38,000
exact units for Pine View and they

4422
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:39,680
started the dam and they followed the

4423
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:41,600
river down at all their different pump

4424
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:44,800
houses. Haven't had any problem, no

4425
02:39:44,800 --> 02:39:49,280
ducting in there. U,

4426
02:39:49,280 --> 02:39:52,800
the u, you know, they've got a five ton

4427
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:55,760
unit in there right now and we're going

4428
02:39:55,760 --> 02:39:57,439
to switch it up to

4429
02:39:57,439 --> 02:40:04,399
two 10 two 10 ton uh units. So if one

4430
02:40:04,399 --> 02:40:06,960
goes out, we've got the other one there

4431
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:09,600
and is okay with that. You know, they

4432
02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:12,319
was originally going to do it uh a 22

4433
02:40:12,319 --> 02:40:14,640
ton. Brooklyn told us we only needed 20

4434
02:40:14,640 --> 02:40:16,240
and I see that's what went out on the

4435
02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:18,880
bid was a 20 ton.

4436
02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:22,800
Um the duct work the ducting that's uh

4437
02:40:22,800 --> 02:40:26,640
in these three buildings. Uh now this is

4438
02:40:26,640 --> 02:40:30,720
all just odd numbers but he's

4439
02:40:30,720 --> 02:40:32,640
calculating if he would have bid that

4440
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:36,640
probably $130 $160,000

4441
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:41,439
in ducting on this and then it calls for

4442
02:40:41,439 --> 02:40:46,160
the townhouse uh station that they've

4443
02:40:46,160 --> 02:40:48,560
got to remove lights and that to get the

4444
02:40:48,560 --> 02:40:50,479
ducting in there and they want to hook

4445
02:40:50,479 --> 02:40:54,319
it up to the is it an ERV circulating

4446
02:40:54,319 --> 02:40:56,319
system.

4447
02:40:56,319 --> 02:40:58,720
>> I'm not sure that that's what it is, but

4448
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:00,880
>> yeah. And so they want to hook it up to

4449
02:41:00,880 --> 02:41:04,880
that. And Brooklyn says that's just uh I

4450
02:41:04,880 --> 02:41:07,280
won't use the words that he he used. Uh

4451
02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:10,479
just not good. And he says it's for like

4452
02:41:10,479 --> 02:41:13,359
a TJ Maxx store. That would be a good

4453
02:41:13,359 --> 02:41:17,520
idea for a sewer uh pump station and

4454
02:41:17,520 --> 02:41:20,880
that there's so much air going through

4455
02:41:20,880 --> 02:41:24,160
there that it's not going to make a

4456
02:41:24,160 --> 02:41:26,800
and that it's going to suck all them

4457
02:41:26,800 --> 02:41:29,200
that smell and that through the filters

4458
02:41:29,200 --> 02:41:33,760
and that and uh take care of that. This

4459
02:41:33,760 --> 02:41:36,240
is stuff that's been proven. I mean,

4460
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:39,359
we're increasing at four times the

4461
02:41:39,359 --> 02:41:42,640
amount that we have right now.

4462
02:41:42,640 --> 02:41:45,120
And u

4463
02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:48,399
uh you know uh and then the other thing

4464
02:41:48,399 --> 02:41:53,200
is they want to change this to a 600 amp

4465
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:55,760
service there. Is that correct?

4466
02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:56,080
>> Yeah,

4467
02:41:56,080 --> 02:41:58,960
>> that's what that's what he uh told me.

4468
02:41:58,960 --> 02:42:02,560
Our shop, we are 13,500

4469
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:05,040
square ft. Three of these units in

4470
02:42:05,040 --> 02:42:08,479
there. We have welders, we have brakes,

4471
02:42:08,479 --> 02:42:11,439
shears, all this equipment that we're

4472
02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:15,120
using there. And we have a 400 amp

4473
02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:16,640
service

4474
02:42:16,640 --> 02:42:20,960
in there. Uh, I don't understand why

4475
02:42:20,960 --> 02:42:23,439
they want a 600 amp service. And maybe

4476
02:42:23,439 --> 02:42:25,040
you'll be able to explain that when I

4477
02:42:25,040 --> 02:42:29,680
get done. Uh, why can't they just uh uh

4478
02:42:29,680 --> 02:42:32,880
these uh I went over today and looked uh

4479
02:42:32,880 --> 02:42:36,399
they take a 60 amp per acre. So 60 amps

4480
02:42:36,399 --> 02:42:39,520
uh is what these furnaces or air

4481
02:42:39,520 --> 02:42:41,120
conditioners

4482
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:43,200
uh take.

4483
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:45,920
And why can't you just come off the main

4484
02:42:45,920 --> 02:42:49,760
line? into that building and put a 150

4485
02:42:49,760 --> 02:42:52,319
amp service in there, which is going to

4486
02:42:52,319 --> 02:42:54,880
be a whole lot cheaper than a 400 amp

4487
02:42:54,880 --> 02:42:57,120
service or a 600 amp service. I mean,

4488
02:42:57,120 --> 02:43:00,319
once you start going up in amps on these

4489
02:43:00,319 --> 02:43:04,080
services, they get expensive. And uh I'm

4490
02:43:04,080 --> 02:43:06,640
thinking that's why we're up at that

4491
02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:08,960
$534,000

4492
02:43:08,960 --> 02:43:12,080
that uh and the other thing that kind of

4493
02:43:12,080 --> 02:43:15,920
bothers me is uh we never even allowed

4494
02:43:15,920 --> 02:43:18,880
him to we never even told this guy that

4495
02:43:18,880 --> 02:43:21,680
spent his own time to come out that he

4496
02:43:21,680 --> 02:43:24,720
could even bid on it until I found out.

4497
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:27,520
I asked Jared one day I says, "Hey,

4498
02:43:27,520 --> 02:43:30,800
when's uh JV going to have this ready to

4499
02:43:30,800 --> 02:43:33,120
send out on bid?" He told me it went out

4500
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:37,760
a month before that and uh and I

4501
02:43:37,760 --> 02:43:39,359
understood that you guys were going to

4502
02:43:39,359 --> 02:43:42,479
contact him and send him a bit and I

4503
02:43:42,479 --> 02:43:44,960
called him and Jared said you guys did

4504
02:43:44,960 --> 02:43:47,279
but I called Brooklyn yesterday and he

4505
02:43:47,279 --> 02:43:49,520
to verify it and he says he'd never

4506
02:43:49,520 --> 02:43:52,000
received anything.

4507
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:55,279
Uh my other some questions I have for

4508
02:43:55,279 --> 02:43:58,479
you. Uh are the backup generators uh big

4509
02:43:58,479 --> 02:44:02,080
enough to handle uh these new AC units

4510
02:44:02,080 --> 02:44:04,080
going in there?

4511
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:10,319
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's good. Um

4512
02:44:10,319 --> 02:44:12,000
let's see. I talked about a couple of

4513
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:15,269
those things.

4514
02:44:15,279 --> 02:44:18,479
Do you know how big the uh panels are

4515
02:44:18,479 --> 02:44:21,840
right now that we have in those?

4516
02:44:21,840 --> 02:44:22,560
>> No, I don't.

4517
02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:24,319
>> I I thought Jared was going to be here

4518
02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:26,479
tonight, so I I didn't call him today. I

4519
02:44:26,479 --> 02:44:31,439
assumed he would uh know. Uh and do they

4520
02:44:31,439 --> 02:44:33,600
really need to be upgraded? And my thing

4521
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:35,359
is,

4522
02:44:35,359 --> 02:44:37,200
uh when I used to get these government

4523
02:44:37,200 --> 02:44:41,920
bids and that uh uh we would we would go

4524
02:44:41,920 --> 02:44:44,640
ahead and the way they were sent to us

4525
02:44:44,640 --> 02:44:47,040
and uh you know we didn't call them and

4526
02:44:47,040 --> 02:44:49,760
tell them hey this is stupid or that we

4527
02:44:49,760 --> 02:44:51,760
just figured you know we got to bid it

4528
02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:55,200
the way it come it came to us so I'm not

4529
02:44:55,200 --> 02:44:58,399
blaming the people that bid it uh

4530
02:44:58,399 --> 02:45:00,160
534,000

4531
02:45:00,160 --> 02:45:03,359
because uh all that ducting and that 600

4532
02:45:03,359 --> 02:45:06,160
amp service

4533
02:45:06,160 --> 02:45:11,040
uh I'm almost done um

4534
02:45:11,040 --> 02:45:15,040
you know and And uh we seen

4535
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:18,640
or uh we saw before our budget meeting

4536
02:45:18,640 --> 02:45:21,120
the estimated cost I think done by you

4537
02:45:21,120 --> 02:45:25,040
guys that was was in the $5 $600,000.

4538
02:45:25,040 --> 02:45:26,720
That was the whole reason I brought

4539
02:45:26,720 --> 02:45:29,359
Brooklyn out because I knew what we paid

4540
02:45:29,359 --> 02:45:33,200
for our two air conditioning units uh at

4541
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:36,479
our shop. This is in 2024. uh they were

4542
02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:39,439
about 48,000 and we spent another 30 I

4543
02:45:39,439 --> 02:45:41,600
went over and looked today another 3,800

4544
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:45,200
for the electrician to come hook them up

4545
02:45:45,200 --> 02:45:49,760
and so we were basing all this and

4546
02:45:49,760 --> 02:45:52,800
uh we come up Brooklyn just a rough

4547
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:56,800
figure 160 180,000 plus a little for

4548
02:45:56,800 --> 02:45:58,560
electrical

4549
02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:01,760
you know so we budget that uh I mean we

4550
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:03,920
just finished that budget and then this

4551
02:46:03,920 --> 02:46:06,880
bid comes in at 534,000

4552
02:46:06,880 --> 02:46:09,040
and then Jared tells me that they

4553
02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:13,760
accepted it and uh I I just we can't do

4554
02:46:13,760 --> 02:46:16,640
that to the residents of Ober. We can't

4555
02:46:16,640 --> 02:46:19,840
uh come up with $350,000

4556
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:25,040
more. U you know uh these pump houses

4557
02:46:25,040 --> 02:46:28,160
aren't that big. Uh

4558
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:33,750
and that uh

4559
02:46:33,760 --> 02:46:36,479
so I I've been talking to Brooklyn on

4560
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:39,279
the phone. He's in Alaska uh doing a job

4561
02:46:39,279 --> 02:46:44,720
up there. And so, uh we forward him the

4562
02:46:44,720 --> 02:46:48,319
bid that I got, uh that you sent Morgan

4563
02:46:48,319 --> 02:46:51,920
yesterday. And he rough looked at it, uh

4564
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:55,840
288 pages, but uh it just kind of blew

4565
02:46:55,840 --> 02:46:57,920
me away when I started looking at it.

4566
02:46:57,920 --> 02:46:59,600
But he told me, he says, "No, this is

4567
02:46:59,600 --> 02:47:01,840
common for cities to send this out. I

4568
02:47:01,840 --> 02:47:04,240
know right where to look." and his

4569
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:07,600
initial thing was uh you don't need the

4570
02:47:07,600 --> 02:47:10,399
ducting. That's a waste of money and

4571
02:47:10,399 --> 02:47:13,040
that it's a restriction. You don't need

4572
02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:17,439
to tie it into uh uh those ERVs over

4573
02:47:17,439 --> 02:47:20,640
that town station. He said uh unless

4574
02:47:20,640 --> 02:47:23,279
somebody was working uh he says if you

4575
02:47:23,279 --> 02:47:25,600
got uh somebody that's in there all day

4576
02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:28,720
every day, he says okay maybe

4577
02:47:28,720 --> 02:47:31,359
uh you know this is a guy that this is

4578
02:47:31,359 --> 02:47:34,319
what he's done for 31 years. I trust him

4579
02:47:34,319 --> 02:47:38,800
more than uh the engineer that uh

4580
02:47:38,800 --> 02:47:40,720
probably learned it in a book or

4581
02:47:40,720 --> 02:47:43,920
something. But uh I know you don't like

4582
02:47:43,920 --> 02:47:46,240
to hear that, but I'm here for the book

4583
02:47:46,240 --> 02:47:50,319
of residents and it's too much and I

4584
02:47:50,319 --> 02:47:54,399
cannot I will not uh approve it. The the

4585
02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:56,160
budget amendment I mean we'd have to

4586
02:47:56,160 --> 02:47:58,640
amend our budget and we don't have the

4587
02:47:58,640 --> 02:48:00,720
money.

4588
02:48:00,720 --> 02:48:03,359
Can I get clarifying the budget amount?

4589
02:48:03,359 --> 02:48:05,760
So that 534 is for all three.

4590
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:06,080
>> Yes.

4591
02:48:06,080 --> 02:48:08,319
>> Are we budgeting 160 for all three of

4592
02:48:08,319 --> 02:48:08,960
those? So

4593
02:48:08,960 --> 02:48:09,920
>> yes.

4594
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:13,359
>> So 160 divided by three

4595
02:48:13,359 --> 02:48:16,000
50,000 for each one

4596
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:19,600
>> is what $50,000 for each of those

4597
02:48:19,600 --> 02:48:21,439
stations is.

4598
02:48:21,439 --> 02:48:23,920
>> Mhm. Yeah. And that's with no ducting.

4599
02:48:23,920 --> 02:48:26,479
And that's what we were about three

4600
02:48:26,479 --> 02:48:31,920
years ago. that uh I think it was 48,000

4601
02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:34,479
and you're saying about 50,000 for each

4602
02:48:34,479 --> 02:48:37,840
one. I mean, the reality of it, plus the

4603
02:48:37,840 --> 02:48:41,040
electrical, the reality of it is you cut

4604
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:46,479
two holes in there. Uh the one hole uh

4605
02:48:46,479 --> 02:48:50,720
is uh about I'm just rough guessing 2

4606
02:48:50,720 --> 02:48:53,520
foot by 3 foot that the air's blowing

4607
02:48:53,520 --> 02:48:56,000
in. And then you've got a return coming

4608
02:48:56,000 --> 02:48:58,960
back into it that's going vertical

4609
02:48:58,960 --> 02:49:02,560
that's uh about the same size. Uh you

4610
02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:05,040
build a stand, you mount it on there.

4611
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:07,920
You got some cement work under the stand

4612
02:49:07,920 --> 02:49:09,920
and then the electrician comes in and

4613
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:14,880
hooks it up, you know, and uh and since

4614
02:49:14,880 --> 02:49:18,000
all this uh took place, if we had done

4615
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:21,279
this back when it he first come out and

4616
02:49:21,279 --> 02:49:23,279
whether he did it or somebody else done

4617
02:49:23,279 --> 02:49:26,319
it, now there's been tariffs uh on all

4618
02:49:26,319 --> 02:49:28,160
these air conditioners and heaters

4619
02:49:28,160 --> 02:49:31,760
coming in uh from China and uh

4620
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:33,680
everywhere. And so there's been a seven

4621
02:49:33,680 --> 02:49:38,399
eight% increase and uh you know and so

4622
02:49:38,399 --> 02:49:41,359
now he's looking you're probably for the

4623
02:49:41,359 --> 02:49:43,439
three of them uh he just threw out a

4624
02:49:43,439 --> 02:49:46,160
wild figure. I mean he's this is all

4625
02:49:46,160 --> 02:49:49,120
quick you know that it shouldn't be more

4626
02:49:49,120 --> 02:49:51,920
than 200 250,000

4627
02:49:51,920 --> 02:49:54,880
depending on what you what the

4628
02:49:54,880 --> 02:49:56,560
electrical is going to be because we

4629
02:49:56,560 --> 02:49:59,920
don't know what the panels are now. Did

4630
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:02,880
he have any do any thoughts on if he'd

4631
02:50:02,880 --> 02:50:05,040
need a 600 ample?

4632
02:50:05,040 --> 02:50:06,960
>> Uh yeah. Uh

4633
02:50:06,960 --> 02:50:09,120
>> and did he factor in the heat generated

4634
02:50:09,120 --> 02:50:10,800
by the pump? I guess it's similar to the

4635
02:50:10,800 --> 02:50:12,479
ones that probably system use.

4636
02:50:12,479 --> 02:50:14,240
>> That's what we don't know what those how

4637
02:50:14,240 --> 02:50:16,240
many amps those uh I mean if we went

4638
02:50:16,240 --> 02:50:18,319
down and looked I thought Jared would be

4639
02:50:18,319 --> 02:50:21,120
here but uh each one of those pumps I'm

4640
02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:24,399
assuming is probably on its own breaker

4641
02:50:24,399 --> 02:50:26,880
and I don't know if it's

4642
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:30,000
uh you know a 20 30

4643
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:33,040
Uh I I don't that's the thing. We we

4644
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:34,319
don't know what the average

4645
02:50:34,319 --> 02:50:36,479
>> not likely more than a

4646
02:50:36,479 --> 02:50:40,960
>> but he did tell me worst case scenario

4647
02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:44,240
if we had to go in and put in a uh 600

4648
02:50:44,240 --> 02:50:49,040
amp service in there. He says uh he

4649
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:50,720
couldn't imagine it being more than

4650
02:50:50,720 --> 02:50:52,720
350,000

4651
02:50:52,720 --> 02:50:55,520
without the duct work.

4652
02:50:55,520 --> 02:50:59,120
>> Oh the duck work too. But he said he he

4653
02:50:59,120 --> 02:51:01,279
did tell me he says with the ducting

4654
02:51:01,279 --> 02:51:05,520
that you've got he says 130 to 160,000

4655
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:07,279
for ducting

4656
02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:11,520
and uh he just said that was asinine to

4657
02:51:11,520 --> 02:51:14,560
even put that ducting in there

4658
02:51:14,560 --> 02:51:16,880
>> and you did mention that he has 30 years

4659
02:51:16,880 --> 02:51:18,080
experience was that

4660
02:51:18,080 --> 02:51:20,640
>> 31 years experience but I know the

4661
02:51:20,640 --> 02:51:23,200
circulation that we get in a 4,000

4662
02:51:23,200 --> 02:51:26,160
square foot uh my brother sits in the

4663
02:51:26,160 --> 02:51:29,200
corner of this and it's blowing this

4664
02:51:29,200 --> 02:51:32,399
way. He's had to put up a wall because

4665
02:51:32,399 --> 02:51:35,120
that air circulates so well through

4666
02:51:35,120 --> 02:51:38,800
there and uh and he threw out something

4667
02:51:38,800 --> 02:51:41,120
like that. Air circulates every 10

4668
02:51:41,120 --> 02:51:42,479
seconds or something. I don't know what

4669
02:51:42,479 --> 02:51:44,319
he meant by that for sure, but because

4670
02:51:44,319 --> 02:51:48,240
I'm not a heating conditioning guy,

4671
02:51:48,240 --> 02:51:53,520
but it just concerns me why

4672
02:51:53,520 --> 02:51:55,200
$350,000

4673
02:51:55,200 --> 02:51:58,160
more. I got a problem with it.

4674
02:51:58,160 --> 02:52:00,479
>> So, Taylor, maybe could you just briefly

4675
02:52:00,479 --> 02:52:02,800
explain because I know we've talked

4676
02:52:02,800 --> 02:52:05,040
about before what these air conditioning

4677
02:52:05,040 --> 02:52:07,040
units are for. Maybe just to give us a

4678
02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:09,600
little background of why we need these

4679
02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:11,680
because residents listening might think

4680
02:52:11,680 --> 02:52:14,720
is it to keep our employees what is the

4681
02:52:14,720 --> 02:52:17,840
functionality of all of this? If you

4682
02:52:17,840 --> 02:52:19,520
would just maybe

4683
02:52:19,520 --> 02:52:21,439
>> Yeah. So, this is this is an issue that

4684
02:52:21,439 --> 02:52:24,080
we've been having for a while.

4685
02:52:24,080 --> 02:52:27,600
It starts when um they get an alarm in

4686
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:28,960
the middle of the night or whatever

4687
02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:32,479
saying that the pumps are overheating.

4688
02:52:32,479 --> 02:52:35,279
When that happens, the pump shut down.

4689
02:52:35,279 --> 02:52:38,160
And so Darren usually gets out there and

4690
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:42,000
tries to get he has called in some

4691
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:44,319
temporary cooling to come in to cool the

4692
02:52:44,319 --> 02:52:47,920
place down paying for that to just keep

4693
02:52:47,920 --> 02:52:50,240
the system up and running. So, this has

4694
02:52:50,240 --> 02:52:53,200
happened before. And so, then

4695
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:55,680
the solution that we kind of Well, first

4696
02:52:55,680 --> 02:52:58,640
what we've done is uh Jared's called

4697
02:52:58,640 --> 02:53:00,720
some local H5 guys and say, "Hey, we

4698
02:53:00,720 --> 02:53:02,880
come look at this." They say, "Yeah,

4699
02:53:02,880 --> 02:53:05,200
tell me how much you need, what you

4700
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:07,680
need." Like that. Like they're they're

4701
02:53:07,680 --> 02:53:09,760
more of we install it, tell us what we

4702
02:53:09,760 --> 02:53:11,600
need. And we couldn't tell them what we

4703
02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:13,120
need. We're not experts in the subject.

4704
02:53:13,120 --> 02:53:15,600
So, we hired Heath engineers to do a

4705
02:53:15,600 --> 02:53:18,160
study for us. They came out here and

4706
02:53:18,160 --> 02:53:20,080
looked at all of our equipment, the

4707
02:53:20,080 --> 02:53:23,359
whole thing. They did a study. Um, and

4708
02:53:23,359 --> 02:53:25,520
it gave us the recommendation that we

4709
02:53:25,520 --> 02:53:27,920
need that well, they first told us that

4710
02:53:27,920 --> 02:53:29,680
we had 5 tons of cooling in this

4711
02:53:29,680 --> 02:53:32,479
building and that we need at least 20

4712
02:53:32,479 --> 02:53:35,200
tons of cooling in this building. Um, so

4713
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:38,560
we were 25% of what the building

4714
02:53:38,560 --> 02:53:40,960
requires and that's why things were

4715
02:53:40,960 --> 02:53:44,880
often overheating and shutting down. Um

4716
02:53:44,880 --> 02:53:47,359
so we got that recommendation from Heath

4717
02:53:47,359 --> 02:53:49,760
and then we also said to them will you

4718
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:52,800
design it? Um this isn't a JB design

4719
02:53:52,800 --> 02:53:55,279
that's not expertise. We went out got

4720
02:53:55,279 --> 02:53:58,560
these mechanical electrical engineers to

4721
02:53:58,560 --> 02:54:01,279
design it for us and they gave us back

4722
02:54:01,279 --> 02:54:04,399
the bid and well they gave us back the

4723
02:54:04,399 --> 02:54:07,279
plan drawings and the specs and that's

4724
02:54:07,279 --> 02:54:10,240
when I got that's when I just put it out

4725
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:14,720
for public bid. We posted it

4726
02:54:14,720 --> 02:54:18,640
um public bid site. Um we didn't get a

4727
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:20,479
lot of interest in it. Um so then we

4728
02:54:20,479 --> 02:54:22,800
started reaching out to a lot of people.

4729
02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:26,479
Um I thought I'm not sure who Brooklyn

4730
02:54:26,479 --> 02:54:26,960
is.

4731
02:54:26,960 --> 02:54:29,279
>> Bridgerland uh heating and air

4732
02:54:29,279 --> 02:54:32,160
conditioning and uh

4733
02:54:32,160 --> 02:54:34,800
yeah I got an email for someone

4734
02:54:34,800 --> 02:54:36,800
different. I thought it was like Mike or

4735
02:54:36,800 --> 02:54:37,920
something. I can't remember what the

4736
02:54:37,920 --> 02:54:39,439
name of their company was. I sent it to

4737
02:54:39,439 --> 02:54:41,520
that person

4738
02:54:41,520 --> 02:54:43,920
and where I got that from. I'm not sure

4739
02:54:43,920 --> 02:54:46,479
why that was that one, but yeah, I did

4740
02:54:46,479 --> 02:54:47,840
get one from Brooklyn, but to say that

4741
02:54:47,840 --> 02:54:51,200
you didn't get it, I mean, all public,

4742
02:54:51,200 --> 02:54:52,800
all these public projects are always

4743
02:54:52,800 --> 02:54:55,279
posted and so there is the opportunity

4744
02:54:55,279 --> 02:54:58,000
to get it. Um, just like every other

4745
02:54:58,000 --> 02:54:59,840
project we do, it's always out there for

4746
02:54:59,840 --> 02:55:03,680
anyone in the public. Um, but so then we

4747
02:55:03,680 --> 02:55:06,880
got um biders interested. We actually we

4748
02:55:06,880 --> 02:55:09,680
were planning on getting four um and we

4749
02:55:09,680 --> 02:55:12,399
ended up only getting two So, we have

4750
02:55:12,399 --> 02:55:16,080
two bids. Um, and then,

4751
02:55:16,080 --> 02:55:19,040
um, this is what they came back with is

4752
02:55:19,040 --> 02:55:22,000
16 $178,000

4753
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:26,240
for each one. Um, that includes,

4754
02:55:26,240 --> 02:55:28,880
um, the four different trades that are

4755
02:55:28,880 --> 02:55:30,560
in there. There's mechanical, plumbing,

4756
02:55:30,560 --> 02:55:33,120
there's H, there's sheet metal, HVAC,

4757
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:35,600
uh, and then there's the electrical, and

4758
02:55:35,600 --> 02:55:37,359
there's concrete trades that are all

4759
02:55:37,359 --> 02:55:40,160
going into there.

4760
02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:42,240
That's one concerned me about this

4761
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:45,279
discussion we've had so far is it's one

4762
02:55:45,279 --> 02:55:46,800
tradesman.

4763
02:55:46,800 --> 02:55:51,520
It actually is a fullon project upgrade.

4764
02:55:51,520 --> 02:55:54,560
Um requires a general contractor

4765
02:55:54,560 --> 02:55:57,750
and

4766
02:55:57,760 --> 02:55:59,760
way the public procurement happens is

4767
02:55:59,760 --> 02:56:04,000
with bid bonds and insuranceances and

4768
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:05,520
securities.

4769
02:56:05,520 --> 02:56:08,399
Um which kind of leads me to the next

4770
02:56:08,399 --> 02:56:11,840
subject about these These lift stations,

4771
02:56:11,840 --> 02:56:16,240
they're vacuum lift stations. So they create the vacuum. Normal pumps

4772
02:56:16,240 --> 02:56:19,520
create heat, but the water flows through

4773
02:56:19,520 --> 02:56:21,760
them, cools it down substantially. They

4774
02:56:21,760 --> 02:56:23,040
don't usually come across these

4775
02:56:23,040 --> 02:56:26,479
problems. We have a pretty unique

4776
02:56:26,479 --> 02:56:28,080
problem and that we have a lot of vacuum

4777
02:56:28,080 --> 02:56:31,200
pumps. We have five with room for one

4778
02:56:31,200 --> 02:56:34,479
more, so six. Um, and they just create

4779
02:56:34,479 --> 02:56:36,640
the they create vacuum through the air

4780
02:56:36,640 --> 02:56:37,840
so there's nothing that's cooling it

4781
02:56:37,840 --> 02:56:40,399
down. So they are they such

4782
02:56:40,399 --> 02:56:44,240
substantially higher heat than normal uh

4783
02:56:44,240 --> 02:56:49,040
pumps do. So um

4784
02:56:49,040 --> 02:56:52,080
in the case I mean the worry that public

4785
02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:55,040
works has is that these overheating

4786
02:56:55,040 --> 02:56:58,399
pumps happen again and it shuts down and

4787
02:56:58,399 --> 02:57:01,760
in the case of that

4788
02:57:01,760 --> 02:57:04,160
a little bit of color actually telling

4789
02:57:04,160 --> 02:57:06,880
me the guys just had one shut down from

4790
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:09,439
a thermal overload. So I I don't know

4791
02:57:09,439 --> 02:57:11,040
what that means. They're hoping it'll

4792
02:57:11,040 --> 02:57:12,880
kick back once it cools off. If

4793
02:57:12,880 --> 02:57:15,680
something happened today, they're hoping

4794
02:57:15,680 --> 02:57:18,240
it'll kick back once it cools off, but

4795
02:57:18,240 --> 02:57:19,920
you know, if they get permanent damage,

4796
02:57:19,920 --> 02:57:21,840
etc. And I don't care more than me. I

4797
02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:23,920
don't know what our backup situations

4798
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:26,640
are like, you

4799
02:57:26,640 --> 02:57:28,319
just having some problems.

4800
02:57:28,319 --> 02:57:31,359
>> Yeah. When

4801
02:57:31,359 --> 02:57:34,000
backup pumps, I mean,

4802
02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:36,240
it's not generators, pumps are down. So,

4803
02:57:36,240 --> 02:57:38,399
it takes months if they're permanently

4804
02:57:38,399 --> 02:57:41,520
damaged. But, uh, the consequences of

4805
02:57:41,520 --> 02:57:44,880
that are those 9,000 residents that we

4806
02:57:44,880 --> 02:57:46,720
represent can no longer flush toilets,

4807
02:57:46,720 --> 02:57:50,000
can no longer use any water. Um, and it

4808
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:52,640
could I mean, it's just catastrophic. It

4809
02:57:52,640 --> 02:57:56,160
can be catastrophic. Um, public health,

4810
02:57:56,160 --> 02:57:59,439
public safety is paramount in this for

4811
02:57:59,439 --> 02:58:02,319
this. So, that's I mean, if anyone takes

4812
02:58:02,319 --> 02:58:04,319
on that, the person that stamped these

4813
02:58:04,319 --> 02:58:06,080
plans

4814
02:58:06,080 --> 02:58:08,640
Heath engineers that samp those plans,

4815
02:58:08,640 --> 02:58:09,840
they know that they're taking on

4816
02:58:09,840 --> 02:58:13,760
liability if that thing fails. And so,

4817
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:15,840
yeah, if what fails

4818
02:58:15,840 --> 02:58:17,760
>> if the pump if the heat cooling system

4819
02:58:17,760 --> 02:58:20,960
doesn't um achieve the purpose of

4820
02:58:20,960 --> 02:58:22,560
keeping the pumps running?

4821
02:58:22,560 --> 02:58:25,840
>> But I mean, if five tons been uh getting

4822
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:29,520
them by for how many years? So, and

4823
02:58:29,520 --> 02:58:33,040
we're increasing that by four and the

4824
02:58:33,040 --> 02:58:36,880
airflow is just an incredible amount.

4825
02:58:36,880 --> 02:58:37,840
So,

4826
02:58:37,840 --> 02:58:39,600
>> for a lot of the years there's been

4827
02:58:39,600 --> 02:58:42,399
thermal injection pumps um where we

4828
02:58:42,399 --> 02:58:45,120
pumped up the ground water run it across

4829
02:58:45,120 --> 02:58:49,120
the heating um coils I think and then it

4830
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:51,760
goes back into the ground. Um those were

4831
02:58:51,760 --> 02:58:54,560
abandoned several years ago. I'm not

4832
02:58:54,560 --> 02:58:55,840
that was before my time they were

4833
02:58:55,840 --> 02:59:00,319
abandoned because there's a lot of it pump when there's

4834
02:59:00,319 --> 02:59:02,640
materials and water quality issues when

4835
02:59:02,640 --> 02:59:03,920
you're pumping that over it, this

4836
02:59:03,920 --> 02:59:07,920
creates erosion or corrosion and

4837
02:59:07,920 --> 02:59:10,080
sedimentation. So, it became a

4838
02:59:10,080 --> 02:59:11,439
maintenance problem that we couldn't

4839
02:59:11,439 --> 02:59:14,720
handle and so those have been abandoned.

4840
02:59:14,720 --> 02:59:17,680
So, that's why we're seeing a five five

4841
02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:20,880
tons of cooling. Um, but that was never

4842
02:59:20,880 --> 02:59:23,279
the intention. It was we intended to be

4843
02:59:23,279 --> 02:59:27,040
able to provide well 20 tons of cooling,

4844
02:59:27,040 --> 02:59:28,080
not

4845
02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:30,080
But with the cooling injection to be

4846
02:59:30,080 --> 02:59:37,110
able to satisi

4847
02:59:37,120 --> 02:59:43,510
hasn't been working.

4848
02:59:43,520 --> 02:59:45,600
» Did Did Jared by chance mention which

4849
02:59:45,600 --> 02:59:49,359
station I and I I I know that the

4850
02:59:49,359 --> 02:59:51,040
>> who you said it was the low station

4851
02:59:51,040 --> 02:59:52,640
they're going to be working on. Okay.

4852
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:54,960
>> The low station had a pump had a thermal

4853
02:59:54,960 --> 02:59:57,200
issue. just kind of wanted to relay that

4854
02:59:57,200 --> 02:59:59,600
as perspective of the need but not

4855
02:59:59,600 --> 03:00:01,760
weighing in on this discussion as it

4856
03:00:01,760 --> 03:00:03,840
relates to the bid etc just just to

4857
03:00:03,840 --> 03:00:06,399
relive

4858
03:00:06,399 --> 03:00:08,800
council and everything but you know we

4859
03:00:08,800 --> 03:00:11,040
do have a need here

4860
03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:14,720
soon but hopefully healthy discussion

4861
03:00:14,720 --> 03:00:15,840
forward

4862
03:00:15,840 --> 03:00:18,080
>> so when it comes to the bid I mean we

4863
03:00:18,080 --> 03:00:20,240
did bid it out in a way where we have a

4864
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:22,800
priority which is that north south north

4865
03:00:22,800 --> 03:00:26,240
station we can award in one project, two

4866
03:00:26,240 --> 03:00:28,319
projects or three al together depending

4867
03:00:28,319 --> 03:00:31,120
on our budget. Um there's definitely

4868
03:00:31,120 --> 03:00:34,240
ways to do value engineering to go back

4869
03:00:34,240 --> 03:00:37,279
work with the engineers and say we need

4870
03:00:37,279 --> 03:00:39,359
these costs to come down. What are we

4871
03:00:39,359 --> 03:00:40,800
comfortable with? What are we not

4872
03:00:40,800 --> 03:00:46,080
comfortable with? Um and we save money,

4873
03:00:46,080 --> 03:00:47,920
but

4874
03:00:47,920 --> 03:00:50,000
don't I don't think we're going to get

4875
03:00:50,000 --> 03:00:53,680
as low as what has been said out here.

4876
03:00:53,680 --> 03:00:56,479
But that includes I mean the duck work

4877
03:00:56,479 --> 03:00:58,880
he's saying is something that city wants

4878
03:00:58,880 --> 03:01:00,880
to take it out.

4879
03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:02,560
It's not my call. It's not my staff

4880
03:01:02,560 --> 03:01:05,600
that's going on. But

4881
03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:08,640
that's that's the real question right

4882
03:01:08,640 --> 03:01:10,399
there is

4883
03:01:10,399 --> 03:01:12,080
who's who's going to be liable if this

4884
03:01:12,080 --> 03:01:15,120
doesn't get done correctly?

4885
03:01:15,120 --> 03:01:17,600
And

4886
03:01:17,600 --> 03:01:20,240
that's a good answer from an engineer

4887
03:01:20,240 --> 03:01:24,960
company. I I get it. you're saying I

4888
03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:28,560
mean things are I mean yeah engineers

4889
03:01:28,560 --> 03:01:33,040
we go we put safety factors on things um

4890
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:37,600
and at the same time we try to get

4891
03:01:37,600 --> 03:01:39,200
there's this one saying when they're

4892
03:01:39,200 --> 03:01:41,120
building a building you know it's like

4893
03:01:41,120 --> 03:01:42,560
we're not trying to make this building

4894
03:01:42,560 --> 03:01:45,680
last forever trying to make it barely

4895
03:01:45,680 --> 03:01:49,840
stand up like barely standing up is the

4896
03:01:49,840 --> 03:01:52,080
>> there's a lot of things that are way

4897
03:01:52,080 --> 03:01:54,399
over engineered

4898
03:01:54,399 --> 03:01:58,630
uh in this country.

4899
03:01:58,640 --> 03:02:00,800
» So I guess my question is why wasn't

4900
03:02:00,800 --> 03:02:04,960
Bridger and other than other than not

4901
03:02:04,960 --> 03:02:09,680
having the vehicle to be able to bid on it? Did

4902
03:02:09,680 --> 03:02:10,960
they not know it was on the public

4903
03:02:10,960 --> 03:02:13,520
website to bid on were they not allowed

4904
03:02:13,520 --> 03:02:15,600
to bid on it? Why why did they

4905
03:02:15,600 --> 03:02:18,960
>> Nobody ever told Nobody ever told us

4906
03:02:18,960 --> 03:02:22,479
that. Uh you know his thing is He's got

4907
03:02:22,479 --> 03:02:24,319
so much work, he really doesn't care if

4908
03:02:24,319 --> 03:02:27,120
he gets this job or not. I mean, he just

4909
03:02:27,120 --> 03:02:29,680
flat out told me. It's not a big deal to

4910
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:34,080
me. But the problem I have with Jared

4911
03:02:34,080 --> 03:02:38,399
and Juv is uh I asked this guy to come

4912
03:02:38,399 --> 03:02:41,359
out here as a favor. You know, will you

4913
03:02:41,359 --> 03:02:43,200
come out and look at this and give us

4914
03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:45,600
your assessment? And then we don't have

4915
03:02:45,600 --> 03:02:49,920
the courtesy to uh contact him and say,

4916
03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:53,520
"Hey, this is going bid, come check our

4917
03:02:53,520 --> 03:02:58,319
website uh and uh come bid on it. Nobody

4918
03:02:58,319 --> 03:03:02,319
contacted me nor him. And I that that's

4919
03:03:02,319 --> 03:03:03,200
also

4920
03:03:03,200 --> 03:03:05,520
>> I just Yeah, I have a curiosity question

4921
03:03:05,520 --> 03:03:08,080
regarding that. You had to go actually

4922
03:03:08,080 --> 03:03:10,240
solicit people to get bids. Why this

4923
03:03:10,240 --> 03:03:12,880
company was not one of the ones that was

4924
03:03:12,880 --> 03:03:14,640
solicited?

4925
03:03:14,640 --> 03:03:16,960
>> That's a good point, too.

4926
03:03:16,960 --> 03:03:18,560
I don't know why he went looking for

4927
03:03:18,560 --> 03:03:20,000
something. He'd already expressed

4928
03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:22,240
interest why he wasn't included in that.

4929
03:03:22,240 --> 03:03:23,840
>> And that being said, is it too late to

4930
03:03:23,840 --> 03:03:25,760
get a bid from this company?

4931
03:03:25,760 --> 03:03:29,840
>> Um, it is okay to

4932
03:03:29,840 --> 03:03:32,399
um take these bid. I mean, we haven't

4933
03:03:32,399 --> 03:03:33,920
awarded anything. That's what we were

4934
03:03:33,920 --> 03:03:36,000
trying to do today is see if we want to

4935
03:03:36,000 --> 03:03:38,240
award this or not. Um, so nothing's been

4936
03:03:38,240 --> 03:03:40,240
awarded. We can close the bid, say no

4937
03:03:40,240 --> 03:03:43,279
one was a successful bidder. Um, and we

4938
03:03:43,279 --> 03:03:45,120
can go out. Well, we I think the

4939
03:03:45,120 --> 03:03:46,960
reasoning would say that we don't have

4940
03:03:46,960 --> 03:03:48,800
three competitive bids. It's kind of the

4941
03:03:48,800 --> 03:03:51,600
standard. We only got two. Um send it

4942
03:03:51,600 --> 03:03:54,479
out for kind of a rebid process.

4943
03:03:54,479 --> 03:03:56,479
>> How long would that take?

4944
03:03:56,479 --> 03:03:59,279
>> Um

4945
03:03:59,279 --> 03:04:01,760
it would take

4946
03:04:01,760 --> 03:04:04,160
at least three weeks of like having the

4947
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:07,120
bid open. That's kind of the standard is

4948
03:04:07,120 --> 03:04:10,960
advertise for it. Let three weeks. So I

4949
03:04:10,960 --> 03:04:13,760
mean I guess three weeks.

4950
03:04:13,760 --> 03:04:17,279
Um that's asking for these guys to um do

4951
03:04:17,279 --> 03:04:24,080
more bid to do another bid bonds securities insurance process

4952
03:04:24,080 --> 03:04:25,279
going through that whole thing again.

4953
03:04:25,279 --> 03:04:26,080
But

4954
03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:29,200
>> is it beyond the scope that ask Heath

4955
03:04:29,200 --> 03:04:31,760
company um to re-evaluate the assessment

4956
03:04:31,760 --> 03:04:34,240
of the duct work based on feedback? Like

4957
03:04:34,240 --> 03:04:35,439
is it I mean we're not going to go back

4958
03:04:35,439 --> 03:04:38,640
and say re-engineer this but um could we

4959
03:04:38,640 --> 03:04:40,800
explain the position and say you know we

4960
03:04:40,800 --> 03:04:42,399
have conflicting feedback that maybe

4961
03:04:42,399 --> 03:04:46,720
this is it overkill? Like get like a you know

4962
03:04:46,720 --> 03:04:47,840
recommendation.

4963
03:04:47,840 --> 03:04:50,319
>> We can go about the process of giving

4964
03:04:50,319 --> 03:04:54,160
this award to ANK sheet metal and then

4965
03:04:54,160 --> 03:04:56,319
saying we want to work with you on value

4966
03:04:56,319 --> 03:04:58,720
engineering get youth engineering to

4967
03:04:58,720 --> 03:05:01,840
input make some change orders work with

4968
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:04,800
the contractor and get um see what they

4969
03:05:04,800 --> 03:05:06,640
can reduce in price by doing stuff like

4970
03:05:06,640 --> 03:05:07,120
that

4971
03:05:07,120 --> 03:05:09,439
>> but only if we award it. We couldn't go

4972
03:05:09,439 --> 03:05:11,680
back to them ahead of time prior.

4973
03:05:11,680 --> 03:05:15,680
I can re we can do a redesign

4974
03:05:15,680 --> 03:05:17,120
which wouldn't be a lot because it would

4975
03:05:17,120 --> 03:05:20,479
be taking things out but doing redesign

4976
03:05:20,479 --> 03:05:22,000
like that new package and then sending

4977
03:05:22,000 --> 03:05:25,200
that package out would take two weeks I

4978
03:05:25,200 --> 03:05:26,720
guess

4979
03:05:26,720 --> 03:05:33,830
workability

4980
03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:37,600
» well this whole situation is is a hard

4981
03:05:37,600 --> 03:05:39,680
one I feel like and I'm sure council

4982
03:05:39,680 --> 03:05:42,319
feels the because I know they've came in

4983
03:05:42,319 --> 03:05:44,160
several times and said our pumps are

4984
03:05:44,160 --> 03:05:46,319
overheating. We're going to Walmart to

4985
03:05:46,319 --> 03:05:48,000
buy the biggest fan that they have.

4986
03:05:48,000 --> 03:05:49,840
They've opened up doors I've driven by,

4987
03:05:49,840 --> 03:05:51,520
which has been a concern to me when I

4988
03:05:51,520 --> 03:05:54,000
see the doors open. So, we have that

4989
03:05:54,000 --> 03:05:56,319
concern. We want something fixed. It's a

4990
03:05:56,319 --> 03:05:58,640
more of a nothing as permanent, but more

4991
03:05:58,640 --> 03:06:01,200
of a long-term fix than it has been in

4992
03:06:01,200 --> 03:06:03,520
the past. On the other hand, I also

4993
03:06:03,520 --> 03:06:06,160
understand we are the stewards of

4994
03:06:06,160 --> 03:06:09,040
taxpayer money, and this is a lot of

4995
03:06:09,040 --> 03:06:11,439
money. Just one clarification, it would

4996
03:06:11,439 --> 03:06:13,600
not be a budget amendment because we

4997
03:06:13,600 --> 03:06:16,080
haven't approved a final budget yet. So,

4998
03:06:16,080 --> 03:06:17,680
we would have to, you know, change our

4999
03:06:17,680 --> 03:06:19,040
budget and that would be something that

5000
03:06:19,040 --> 03:06:21,680
we would be voting on. If we do go back

5001
03:06:21,680 --> 03:06:24,160
to Heath, I think that could be a

5002
03:06:24,160 --> 03:06:26,880
reasonable question. Is the duct work

5003
03:06:26,880 --> 03:06:30,160
necessary? But then I guess my question

5004
03:06:30,160 --> 03:06:34,720
is then then who do we trust? Who who

5005
03:06:34,720 --> 03:06:36,880
can we say? You know, none of us sitting

5006
03:06:36,880 --> 03:06:39,200
up here are engineers. We do have to

5007
03:06:39,200 --> 03:06:41,279
rely on that. But if Heath comes back

5008
03:06:41,279 --> 03:06:43,120
and says, "Yes, you need to have duct

5009
03:06:43,120 --> 03:06:45,439
work, then is that something as a

5010
03:06:45,439 --> 03:06:49,120
council we feel again justifying or or

5011
03:06:49,120 --> 03:06:54,640
how do we how do we know?" Because not one of us sitting here

5012
03:06:54,640 --> 03:06:56,399
and I think you've even said this isn't

5013
03:06:56,399 --> 03:06:59,920
Jub's expertise. they and I would and

5014
03:06:59,920 --> 03:07:02,479
Jared would even tell you this isn't his

5015
03:07:02,479 --> 03:07:05,279
expertise as far as an air conditioning

5016
03:07:05,279 --> 03:07:07,600
or an you know as far as the power

5017
03:07:07,600 --> 03:07:10,880
upgrade. So I guess I'm not sure how we

5018
03:07:10,880 --> 03:07:14,479
up here come to some kind of a consensus

5019
03:07:14,479 --> 03:07:17,279
of what should be done to make sure that

5020
03:07:17,279 --> 03:07:19,920
what we're getting is the very best for

5021
03:07:19,920 --> 03:07:22,880
the city but also the most reasonably

5022
03:07:22,880 --> 03:07:24,960
priced.

5023
03:07:24,960 --> 03:07:26,560
>> You know what's what's been explained

5024
03:07:26,560 --> 03:07:28,720
isn't really comparing apples to apples.

5025
03:07:28,720 --> 03:07:30,640
So that that's the problem. I mean what

5026
03:07:30,640 --> 03:07:32,560
you're explaining

5027
03:07:32,560 --> 03:07:35,200
uh Larry is different than what these

5028
03:07:35,200 --> 03:07:38,399
other engineers have said is needed. So

5029
03:07:38,399 --> 03:07:41,120
the question we have is

5030
03:07:41,120 --> 03:07:44,160
what is really needed and who would put

5031
03:07:44,160 --> 03:07:47,200
their stamp on that saying if this fails

5032
03:07:47,200 --> 03:07:51,279
I am responsible for this and

5033
03:07:51,279 --> 03:07:53,760
>> yes so the study that was done was by

5034
03:07:53,760 --> 03:07:55,439
Heath Engineering the design was done by

5035
03:07:55,439 --> 03:07:59,120
Heath Engineering. So there's no

5036
03:07:59,120 --> 03:08:01,359
verification on that. I mean you can go

5037
03:08:01,359 --> 03:08:04,880
pay for another engineering firm to

5038
03:08:04,880 --> 03:08:08,880
review it. Um that's money spent by the

5039
03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:12,720
taxpayer and I in my engineering

5040
03:08:12,720 --> 03:08:14,800
practice it's very hard to go on top of

5041
03:08:14,800 --> 03:08:17,359
another engineer overrule what they're

5042
03:08:17,359 --> 03:08:20,960
saying then for how much like if you

5043
03:08:20,960 --> 03:08:23,120
paid me $20,000 now I'm taking on the

5044
03:08:23,120 --> 03:08:26,150
liabil

5045
03:08:26,160 --> 03:08:31,359
So, so can they uh can you ask them why

5046
03:08:31,359 --> 03:08:33,920
the ducting? Why do we need the ducting?

5047
03:08:33,920 --> 03:08:36,720
Uh I mean

5048
03:08:36,720 --> 03:08:38,479
uh you know I haven't seen the drawing

5049
03:08:38,479 --> 03:08:46,319
of uh I mean what was it 288 pages? I I mean I'm on my phone. You just don't

5050
03:08:46,319 --> 03:08:50,240
find that. Uh I mean how have you I

5051
03:08:50,240 --> 03:08:52,160
guess you've seen the ducting. I mean is

5052
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:54,160
it coming through the wall and down on

5053
03:08:54,160 --> 03:08:56,080
top of each pump.

5054
03:08:56,080 --> 03:08:59,439
>> No, it's not doing that. Um,

5055
03:08:59,439 --> 03:09:01,920
>> well, if it's not doing that, then the

5056
03:09:01,920 --> 03:09:04,240
others is going to have so much flow

5057
03:09:04,240 --> 03:09:06,640
anyway.

5058
03:09:06,640 --> 03:09:08,240
>> So,

5059
03:09:08,240 --> 03:09:10,640
that's what to say right there.

5060
03:09:10,640 --> 03:09:12,720
>> But we get Heath on the phone and start

5061
03:09:12,720 --> 03:09:13,439
talking.

5062
03:09:13,439 --> 03:09:16,560
>> I mean, is it something that can pull up

5063
03:09:16,560 --> 03:09:18,640
and put on that screen what the ducting

5064
03:09:18,640 --> 03:09:19,359
looks like?

5065
03:09:19,359 --> 03:09:21,680
>> I mean, I can pull it up on my computer

5066
03:09:21,680 --> 03:09:23,680
if you want to.

5067
03:09:23,680 --> 03:09:27,910
>> Yeah.

5068
03:09:27,920 --> 03:09:30,399
I mean

5069
03:09:30,399 --> 03:09:32,880
air conditioning people. So basically an

5070
03:09:32,880 --> 03:09:36,240
engineer has recommended a design right

5071
03:09:36,240 --> 03:09:38,240
that design

5072
03:09:38,240 --> 03:09:40,319
right here. Here's the specs that need

5073
03:09:40,319 --> 03:09:42,319
to be bid on. We've had two companies

5074
03:09:42,319 --> 03:09:44,960
bid on it. Bridger then wasn't aware

5075
03:09:44,960 --> 03:09:48,080
that they were able to bid on it in this

5076
03:09:48,080 --> 03:09:50,319
time frame. So why don't we just say

5077
03:09:50,319 --> 03:09:52,240
let's reopen it for bid because we

5078
03:09:52,240 --> 03:09:54,800
didn't get three bids and all bid again

5079
03:09:54,800 --> 03:09:57,040
on it and see what we get. You know,

5080
03:09:57,040 --> 03:09:58,560
here's the specs, here's what needs to

5081
03:09:58,560 --> 03:10:00,880
be bid on. We can't change the ducting.

5082
03:10:00,880 --> 03:10:03,439
We're council. We're not engineers, you

5083
03:10:03,439 --> 03:10:06,960
know. So, our decision is do we go with

5084
03:10:06,960 --> 03:10:09,200
these bids or do we rebid it? That's our

5085
03:10:09,200 --> 03:10:10,960
decision.

5086
03:10:10,960 --> 03:10:12,240
>> Right.

5087
03:10:12,240 --> 03:10:13,920
>> And I think there was one other company

5088
03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:16,000
that then didn't turn in their bid or

5089
03:10:16,000 --> 03:10:18,080
submit it. I thought I had heard there

5090
03:10:18,080 --> 03:10:19,600
were three originally.

5091
03:10:19,600 --> 03:10:23,200
>> Um there was supposed to be four and

5092
03:10:23,200 --> 03:10:24,960
Well, four possibly, but three we were

5093
03:10:24,960 --> 03:10:27,920
counting on and the third one didn't get

5094
03:10:27,920 --> 03:10:30,960
a bit in time.

5095
03:10:30,960 --> 03:10:32,800
The problem that we've had with bidding

5096
03:10:32,800 --> 03:10:36,399
is um this kind of process takes a

5097
03:10:36,399 --> 03:10:39,760
general general contractor to do it um

5098
03:10:39,760 --> 03:10:42,080
where there's four different trades

5099
03:10:42,080 --> 03:10:45,439
going on and for most general

5100
03:10:45,439 --> 03:10:48,560
contractors it wasn't um worthwhile for

5101
03:10:48,560 --> 03:10:51,200
them to go after this kind of project.

5102
03:10:51,200 --> 03:10:55,279
Um, and but the HVAC guys that were

5103
03:10:55,279 --> 03:10:57,760
willing to do it were not willing to

5104
03:10:57,760 --> 03:11:00,800
take on other trades kind of thing. So,

5105
03:11:00,800 --> 03:11:05,279
it was hard to get interest on it. Um,

5106
03:11:05,279 --> 03:11:07,200
but it does seem that we have another

5107
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:09,520
company that is potentially interested

5108
03:11:09,520 --> 03:11:12,560
at this time, just hasn't had the

5109
03:11:12,560 --> 03:11:16,080
opportunity to submit a bit. Would that

5110
03:11:16,080 --> 03:11:17,359
be reasonable?

5111
03:11:17,359 --> 03:11:20,960
>> I would say the opportunity is there. if

5112
03:11:20,960 --> 03:11:24,080
they are working through public.

5113
03:11:24,080 --> 03:11:26,399
>> But you actually already said that you

5114
03:11:26,399 --> 03:11:28,080
didn't you know you had to go solicit

5115
03:11:28,080 --> 03:11:31,439
bids. So soliciting three bids instead

5116
03:11:31,439 --> 03:11:34,720
of two bids seems like

5117
03:11:34,720 --> 03:11:36,880
>> especially with this much money wouldn't

5118
03:11:36,880 --> 03:11:39,600
be a bad thing for the city. I just

5119
03:11:39,600 --> 03:11:41,680
>> I'm just wondering Darren maybe it's a

5120
03:11:41,680 --> 03:11:43,279
question for you. So now that these

5121
03:11:43,279 --> 03:11:46,560
numbers are out there,

5122
03:11:46,560 --> 03:11:49,040
so Larry, your friend comes in and visit

5123
03:11:49,040 --> 03:11:51,040
for $10 less.

5124
03:11:51,040 --> 03:11:52,319
>> Do you know what I mean? How do you

5125
03:11:52,319 --> 03:11:54,000
handle that? How do we

5126
03:11:54,000 --> 03:11:56,080
>> Let those numbers out there.

5127
03:11:56,080 --> 03:11:58,720
>> And I I hear you what you're saying.

5128
03:11:58,720 --> 03:12:00,479
>> Look, can I ask you one question real

5129
03:12:00,479 --> 03:12:02,080
fast? Yeah.

5130
03:12:02,080 --> 03:12:04,880
>> Can I go call Brooklyn and see if he

5131
03:12:04,880 --> 03:12:09,040
even has interest in uh bidding up with

5132
03:12:09,040 --> 03:12:10,640
uh

5133
03:12:10,640 --> 03:12:14,240
duck work and uh all this other stuff?

5134
03:12:14,240 --> 03:12:17,760
He may not even want to uh uh just from

5135
03:12:17,760 --> 03:12:19,520
his comments about what he said about

5136
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:22,479
the duck work and all that. And if he

5137
03:12:22,479 --> 03:12:24,640
has no interest in doing it that way,

5138
03:12:24,640 --> 03:12:27,200
then maybe

5139
03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:30,160
all everything else is

5140
03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:31,840
then we had to decide whether we're

5141
03:12:31,840 --> 03:12:32,399
gonna

5142
03:12:32,399 --> 03:12:34,560
>> so I'll answer first. Um start with

5143
03:12:34,560 --> 03:12:39,439
Four. Council member Fowers. Um I mean

5144
03:12:39,439 --> 03:12:42,399
legally we can do what has been proposed

5145
03:12:42,399 --> 03:12:44,560
that we can close them and reopen them.

5146
03:12:44,560 --> 03:12:46,960
We can we can say no. We can say no to

5147
03:12:46,960 --> 03:12:50,240
these. Does it I understand what you're

5148
03:12:50,240 --> 03:12:52,479
saying because now it's not closed. It's

5149
03:12:52,479 --> 03:12:55,840
open. So but we are giving each of these

5150
03:12:55,840 --> 03:12:58,800
biders the opportunity to go and

5151
03:12:58,800 --> 03:13:01,200
readest. They are getting the opport the

5152
03:13:01,200 --> 03:13:03,359
same opportunity that a new person

5153
03:13:03,359 --> 03:13:06,080
bidding would get as well. So I get what

5154
03:13:06,080 --> 03:13:09,279
you're saying how it looks

5155
03:13:09,279 --> 03:13:10,880
they're concerned about legally we can

5156
03:13:10,880 --> 03:13:13,680
do that

5157
03:13:13,680 --> 03:13:16,800
>> if uh there's a change

5158
03:13:16,800 --> 03:13:18,479
now your question

5159
03:13:18,479 --> 03:13:21,600
>> yeah do you want to take time to go

5160
03:13:21,600 --> 03:13:25,830
>> let me just see if

5161
03:13:25,840 --> 03:13:27,520
» I would say if there's significant

5162
03:13:27,520 --> 03:13:30,479
changes in the design

5163
03:13:30,479 --> 03:13:31,520
So, it would be fine.

5164
03:13:31,520 --> 03:13:32,560
>> I don't know if you want to take a

5165
03:13:32,560 --> 03:13:35,439
recess or do you want to just have

5166
03:13:35,439 --> 03:13:38,000
>> Well, I would like to I mean, I just

5167
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:39,680
want to make the call, but I guess I

5168
03:13:39,680 --> 03:13:42,880
just like to say that I don't think that

5169
03:13:42,880 --> 03:13:45,279
a particular company's interest and

5170
03:13:45,279 --> 03:13:47,359
whether or not they're going to bid is

5171
03:13:47,359 --> 03:13:49,840
going to inform my decision

5172
03:13:49,840 --> 03:13:52,080
on whether or not it makes sense for the

5173
03:13:52,080 --> 03:13:53,600
city's financial situation. You know

5174
03:13:53,600 --> 03:13:56,239
what I mean? I wonder is that that seems

5175
03:13:56,239 --> 03:13:59,279
too conflicting, right? Like one

5176
03:13:59,279 --> 03:14:01,520
specific company we're relying on there

5177
03:14:01,520 --> 03:14:03,600
what whether they're interested or not

5178
03:14:03,600 --> 03:14:05,600
doesn't change the fact that it's

5179
03:14:05,600 --> 03:14:07,760
535,000 sitting on the table that we

5180
03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:09,520
would still I mean we either have to

5181
03:14:09,520 --> 03:14:11,359
agree that we that's what the direction

5182
03:14:11,359 --> 03:14:13,760
we want to go or we don't right and we

5183
03:14:13,760 --> 03:14:15,680
have to agree whether or not we want to

5184
03:14:15,680 --> 03:14:18,080
ask Keith to go reevaluate the duck work

5185
03:14:18,080 --> 03:14:21,439
like council member Hill said do we want

5186
03:14:21,439 --> 03:14:24,000
to take the position that as council

5187
03:14:24,000 --> 03:14:25,520
members we have the experience that

5188
03:14:25,520 --> 03:14:28,000
we're trying to say we think you should

5189
03:14:28,000 --> 03:14:29,760
get rid of that work like are we taking

5190
03:14:29,760 --> 03:14:32,560
on that stamp and then additionally I

5191
03:14:32,560 --> 03:14:34,160
mean I I I think of it for any other

5192
03:14:34,160 --> 03:14:36,640
thing that we would be bidding

5193
03:14:36,640 --> 03:14:40,319
um if my buddy wanted to do a job for us

5194
03:14:40,319 --> 03:14:42,319
I wouldn't I don't think I could expect

5195
03:14:42,319 --> 03:14:45,120
us to make a decision as a council just

5196
03:14:45,120 --> 03:14:46,640
to give them an opportunity to have a

5197
03:14:46,640 --> 03:14:48,560
consideration of this is all I'm saying.

5198
03:14:48,560 --> 03:14:50,399
So I know that this company is somebody

5199
03:14:50,399 --> 03:14:52,160
Larry knows and somebody that's bringing

5200
03:14:52,160 --> 03:14:54,399
him a different perspective but I I'm

5201
03:14:54,399 --> 03:14:56,800
cur I'm interested because I'm surprised

5202
03:14:56,800 --> 03:14:58,720
you said he could

5203
03:14:58,720 --> 03:15:00,479
take that call to help us make this

5204
03:15:00,479 --> 03:15:02,080
decision because I would figure we would

5205
03:15:02,080 --> 03:15:04,239
need to well can I call five other HVAC

5206
03:15:04,239 --> 03:15:05,520
companies and see if they can help us

5207
03:15:05,520 --> 03:15:06,880
make this decision.

5208
03:15:06,880 --> 03:15:07,920
>> That's curious.

5209
03:15:07,920 --> 03:15:10,640
>> I would say I mean we follow procurement

5210
03:15:10,640 --> 03:15:11,760
policy

5211
03:15:11,760 --> 03:15:13,439
>> the way that it was supposed to be done.

5212
03:15:13,439 --> 03:15:17,040
>> Absolutely. And

5213
03:15:17,040 --> 03:15:19,920
I am a little way the conversation has

5214
03:15:19,920 --> 03:15:22,239
gone is a little bit against that policy

5215
03:15:22,239 --> 03:15:24,160
of finding

5216
03:15:24,160 --> 03:15:25,760
someone that you know.

5217
03:15:25,760 --> 03:15:26,399
>> Y

5218
03:15:26,399 --> 03:15:30,399
>> but I think a good recommendation I mean

5219
03:15:30,399 --> 03:15:32,479
the recommendation of taking out duct

5220
03:15:32,479 --> 03:15:33,600
work. I don't know what that

5221
03:15:33,600 --> 03:15:35,600
consequences are but I think it's

5222
03:15:35,600 --> 03:15:37,200
totally reasonable to say within this

5223
03:15:37,200 --> 03:15:39,120
contract now there's no duct work. Let's

5224
03:15:39,120 --> 03:15:41,520
renegotiate the price.

5225
03:15:41,520 --> 03:15:43,760
>> Yeah. I think that's fair. The direction

5226
03:15:43,760 --> 03:15:46,720
I think we should go is say David's had

5227
03:15:46,720 --> 03:15:50,399
some um you know

5228
03:15:50,399 --> 03:15:51,279
I don't know if they call it

5229
03:15:51,279 --> 03:15:54,239
professional but some some

5230
03:15:54,239 --> 03:15:57,510
>> red

5231
03:15:57,520 --> 03:15:59,439
» just some concerns come up about maybe

5232
03:15:59,439 --> 03:16:01,520
the ducking was excessive or whatever

5233
03:16:01,520 --> 03:16:03,760
you know can we go to heath and say can

5234
03:16:03,760 --> 03:16:06,399
we revise this under your best

5235
03:16:06,399 --> 03:16:09,120
professional opinion and rebid it.

5236
03:16:09,120 --> 03:16:10,560
>> Yeah. And so then I mean they're going

5237
03:16:10,560 --> 03:16:12,319
to when they say that they're all right

5238
03:16:12,319 --> 03:16:14,479
yeah there's certain level of comfort

5239
03:16:14,479 --> 03:16:16,160
that you're comfortable with. Are you

5240
03:16:16,160 --> 03:16:19,840
comfortable with 400 amp breaker because

5241
03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:21,760
probably does work are you willing to

5242
03:16:21,760 --> 03:16:24,000
take that risk and so someone who's

5243
03:16:24,000 --> 03:16:26,319
going to take that decision

5244
03:16:26,319 --> 03:16:26,720
but

5245
03:16:26,720 --> 03:16:29,359
>> but can we ask them and if they say no

5246
03:16:29,359 --> 03:16:30,720
we're not I mean they could come back

5247
03:16:30,720 --> 03:16:32,800
and go look we're not comfortable this

5248
03:16:32,800 --> 03:16:34,560
is how we say it should be engineered

5249
03:16:34,560 --> 03:16:36,239
>> and what and what they'll do is they'll

5250
03:16:36,239 --> 03:16:38,800
say they'll keep a stamp on it but

5251
03:16:38,800 --> 03:16:41,200
documented that saying the city assumed

5252
03:16:41,200 --> 03:16:43,359
this risk if there is a risk then

5253
03:16:43,359 --> 03:16:44,880
>> and if that happens I think we need to

5254
03:16:44,880 --> 03:16:46,319
take legal advice on that do we want to

5255
03:16:46,319 --> 03:16:48,000
make that assumption about risk

5256
03:16:48,000 --> 03:16:50,080
>> and who would want I don't think Hooker

5257
03:16:50,080 --> 03:16:52,000
city wants to take that risk that's my

5258
03:16:52,000 --> 03:16:54,160
whole point I don't think we want to

5259
03:16:54,160 --> 03:16:57,279
take the risk of you know awarding a bid

5260
03:16:57,279 --> 03:16:59,760
for something that we knew that right to

5261
03:16:59,760 --> 03:17:00,319
begin with

5262
03:17:00,319 --> 03:17:02,239
>> well you you had mentioned earlier that

5263
03:17:02,239 --> 03:17:04,960
if the city had concerns with the price

5264
03:17:04,960 --> 03:17:06,640
that you could go back to the engineer

5265
03:17:06,640 --> 03:17:09,200
whoever said where can we cut? You know,

5266
03:17:09,200 --> 03:17:10,560
we need to lower this price a little

5267
03:17:10,560 --> 03:17:12,160
bit. So, that's that's kind of what

5268
03:17:12,160 --> 03:17:13,279
we're doing here, right?

5269
03:17:13,279 --> 03:17:14,479
>> Yeah.

5270
03:17:14,479 --> 03:17:17,040
>> So, I'll go talk to the engineering

5271
03:17:17,040 --> 03:17:19,760
tomorrow and tell them about the work

5272
03:17:19,760 --> 03:17:23,520
probably breakers and see if there's

5273
03:17:23,520 --> 03:17:28,950
that we can see any reduction in cost.

5274
03:17:28,960 --> 03:17:33,760
We're not asking to uh uh do anything uh

5275
03:17:33,760 --> 03:17:35,680
that they shouldn't,

5276
03:17:35,680 --> 03:17:40,399
>> but my concern is uh do we really need a

5277
03:17:40,399 --> 03:17:44,560
600 amp uh if uh we're only going to be

5278
03:17:44,560 --> 03:17:48,479
using 400 amps? I mean, I would think if

5279
03:17:48,479 --> 03:17:53,439
you've got a 600 amp service that uh uh

5280
03:17:53,439 --> 03:17:57,120
you know, 540 amps, that's an awful lot.

5281
03:17:57,120 --> 03:17:59,840
When the air conditioner is only taking

5282
03:17:59,840 --> 03:18:04,399
120 amps. You know, where's uh

5283
03:18:04,399 --> 03:18:08,239
I I guess I just don't get why

5284
03:18:08,239 --> 03:18:10,720
uh I mean it's a lot of what else is

5285
03:18:10,720 --> 03:18:12,720
going on in the building, right? Pumps.

5286
03:18:12,720 --> 03:18:17,359
There's a lot of different pumps there.

5287
03:18:17,359 --> 03:18:20,080
>> So, this is a standing motion. Do we

5288
03:18:20,080 --> 03:18:25,120
just need to table this um while uh

5289
03:18:25,120 --> 03:18:28,560
Taylor goes back and asks questions and

5290
03:18:28,560 --> 03:18:30,399
then bring it back or do we need to vote

5291
03:18:30,399 --> 03:18:32,239
on this as it stands?

5292
03:18:32,239 --> 03:18:33,840
>> That that would be an option. You can

5293
03:18:33,840 --> 03:18:36,560
table it.

5294
03:18:36,560 --> 03:18:38,560
>> I move to table the motion on the

5295
03:18:38,560 --> 03:18:41,680
approval of awarding bid tot sheet metal

5296
03:18:41,680 --> 03:18:44,399
inc for HVAC upgrades north low and town

5297
03:18:44,399 --> 03:18:49,040
station pending uh JB's um conversation

5298
03:18:49,040 --> 03:18:50,960
with Heath Engineering on seeing if we

5299
03:18:50,960 --> 03:18:53,040
can modify and resubmit for bid.

5300
03:18:53,040 --> 03:18:55,760
>> Do you want to do a date certain?

5301
03:18:55,760 --> 03:18:58,000
it comes on next council member.

5302
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:01,520
>> Uh the next council agenda is that the

5303
03:19:01,520 --> 03:19:03,680
>> that won't be until August 20th. And I'm

5304
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:07,920
wondering if that so we're a ways out or

5305
03:19:07,920 --> 03:19:10,640
if we want to then call a special

5306
03:19:10,640 --> 03:19:12,560
>> meeting. I think

5307
03:19:12,560 --> 03:19:13,920
>> yeah I think it' be necessary

5308
03:19:13,920 --> 03:19:15,120
>> that would be prudent at this point in

5309
03:19:15,120 --> 03:19:16,800
time. We need to get this we need to get

5310
03:19:16,800 --> 03:19:17,680
this deal.

5311
03:19:17,680 --> 03:19:17,920
>> Yeah.

5312
03:19:17,920 --> 03:19:19,200
>> We do have one advantage. The

5313
03:19:19,200 --> 03:19:21,359
temperature back off a little bit.

5314
03:19:21,359 --> 03:19:23,040
So I probably can't pick a date because

5315
03:19:23,040 --> 03:19:25,040
the special meeting will be notified at

5316
03:19:25,040 --> 03:19:25,840
that time. Right.

5317
03:19:25,840 --> 03:19:26,319
>> Right.

5318
03:19:26,319 --> 03:19:28,479
>> Okay. So can it stand as I I said it?

5319
03:19:28,479 --> 03:19:28,880
>> Yeah.

5320
03:19:28,880 --> 03:19:30,319
>> Okay.

5321
03:19:30,319 --> 03:19:33,120
So we had a motion made by council

5322
03:19:33,120 --> 03:19:34,720
member Craig and I'll second that

5323
03:19:34,720 --> 03:19:35,359
motion.

5324
03:19:35,359 --> 03:19:37,760
>> Second made by council member heel. Did

5325
03:19:37,760 --> 03:19:40,080
we get all of that Morgan so we know

5326
03:19:40,080 --> 03:19:41,120
what that will be?

5327
03:19:41,120 --> 03:19:43,520
>> Can I get that clear? We're talking to

5328
03:19:43,520 --> 03:19:48,239
them about finding uh value engineering

5329
03:19:48,239 --> 03:19:50,160
or are we talking to them about

5330
03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:52,560
redesigning and going out for another?

5331
03:19:52,560 --> 03:19:56,399
>> Uh we're talking to them about both.

5332
03:19:56,399 --> 03:19:58,319
Right. So they're they're looking at

5333
03:19:58,319 --> 03:20:02,000
value engineering and or re you know

5334
03:20:02,000 --> 03:20:03,920
redesigning taking the D out going for

5335
03:20:03,920 --> 03:20:06,239
another bit. So what you're what you're

5336
03:20:06,239 --> 03:20:07,920
asking and if they come back with some

5337
03:20:07,920 --> 03:20:10,160
value engineer, you would like to go

5338
03:20:10,160 --> 03:20:12,160
back out to bid and let other companies

5339
03:20:12,160 --> 03:20:14,319
bid it or you're saying you want to go

5340
03:20:14,319 --> 03:20:16,640
back to this lowest bidder and see what

5341
03:20:16,640 --> 03:20:18,560
they would bid it for if we took that

5342
03:20:18,560 --> 03:20:19,359
out.

5343
03:20:19,359 --> 03:20:21,840
>> Yeah, I would like it to I would like it

5344
03:20:21,840 --> 03:20:24,399
to go back out to public open bid

5345
03:20:24,399 --> 03:20:25,840
because we didn't get the three anyway.

5346
03:20:25,840 --> 03:20:28,319
We only got two. So it' be I'd like it

5347
03:20:28,319 --> 03:20:30,960
to go back out to to open bid.

5348
03:20:30,960 --> 03:20:32,479
>> And I'd like to put the pedal in the

5349
03:20:32,479 --> 03:20:34,560
mail because we need to get those

5350
03:20:34,560 --> 03:20:36,479
And right, are you seconding that motion

5351
03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:38,239
for it to go out to bid? I just want to

5352
03:20:38,239 --> 03:20:41,680
clarify this. So we Okay.

5353
03:20:41,680 --> 03:20:44,319
So if uh they come back and they

5354
03:20:44,319 --> 03:20:48,720
re-engineer this and this is it or

5355
03:20:48,720 --> 03:20:52,080
whoever the sheet metal company uh if

5356
03:20:52,080 --> 03:20:55,520
they come back and say well yeah uh we

5357
03:20:55,520 --> 03:20:59,279
can cut out uh 150,000 if we don't need

5358
03:20:59,279 --> 03:21:02,319
all that ducting if we don't need uh

5359
03:21:02,319 --> 03:21:06,080
that much electrical uh do we want to

5360
03:21:06,080 --> 03:21:09,439
accept that bid or or still go out We're

5361
03:21:09,439 --> 03:21:11,279
doing that out to open bidding there

5362
03:21:11,279 --> 03:21:12,640
because we still the part of the issue

5363
03:21:12,640 --> 03:21:16,000
was we still didn't get three bids. So I

5364
03:21:16,000 --> 03:21:17,920
mean it would it would be outside of

5365
03:21:17,920 --> 03:21:20,000
normal procurement process anyway. So we

5366
03:21:20,000 --> 03:21:21,040
would want

5367
03:21:21,040 --> 03:21:23,200
>> that I don't think that's in our policy.

5368
03:21:23,200 --> 03:21:24,239
It's

5369
03:21:24,239 --> 03:21:27,120
>> quality. So I think we'd still be okay

5370
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:28,399
if it came back.

5371
03:21:28,399 --> 03:21:30,880
>> Yeah. I don't think that's other

5372
03:21:30,880 --> 03:21:33,279
entities hold to that but that's not

5373
03:21:33,279 --> 03:21:34,640
ours.

5374
03:21:34,640 --> 03:21:35,840
>> Well then I guess that's up for

5375
03:21:35,840 --> 03:21:37,439
discussion. Like do we want it to go

5376
03:21:37,439 --> 03:21:40,080
back to companies to I think that we we

5377
03:21:40,080 --> 03:21:41,600
should

5378
03:21:41,600 --> 03:21:43,760
be able to give like ant say, "Hey,

5379
03:21:43,760 --> 03:21:45,840
look, the bid is changed." You get a

5380
03:21:45,840 --> 03:21:48,080
chance to rebid this and stack them

5381
03:21:48,080 --> 03:21:49,600
against other people, but do we just

5382
03:21:49,600 --> 03:21:50,960
keep that to the two that already

5383
03:21:50,960 --> 03:21:53,040
submitted a bid with the redesign or do

5384
03:21:53,040 --> 03:21:54,640
we give it open to public?

5385
03:21:54,640 --> 03:21:58,319
>> So, I got to hold up and he says with

5386
03:21:58,319 --> 03:22:00,640
600 amp service and with all that

5387
03:22:00,640 --> 03:22:03,600
ducting, he says it's not needed, he

5388
03:22:03,600 --> 03:22:05,520
doesn't want to bid on it,

5389
03:22:05,520 --> 03:22:07,200
>> right? But if it changed, would he want

5390
03:22:07,200 --> 03:22:07,520
to?

5391
03:22:07,520 --> 03:22:10,720
>> Uh, yeah. if it changed then yeah it

5392
03:22:10,720 --> 03:22:15,040
didn't have all that ducting and that he doesn't think's necessary. I

5393
03:22:15,040 --> 03:22:17,680
don't even know if he he just told me no

5394
03:22:17,680 --> 03:22:20,160
that he doesn't want to bid on it. So I

5395
03:22:20,160 --> 03:22:23,200
think he's a little frustrated but uh

5396
03:22:23,200 --> 03:22:26,319
and his pride was hurt that he come out

5397
03:22:26,319 --> 03:22:30,479
to Hooper and uh did that initial and uh

5398
03:22:30,479 --> 03:22:32,479
I think that's a little bit of him

5399
03:22:32,479 --> 03:22:37,600
saying no now is that

5400
03:22:37,600 --> 03:22:39,600
you treated me bad.

5401
03:22:39,600 --> 03:22:41,520
>> Well, I just I just think the residents

5402
03:22:41,520 --> 03:22:43,520
hope we owe a little bit to look into

5403
03:22:43,520 --> 03:22:44,720
this. We're talking a couple hundred

5404
03:22:44,720 --> 03:22:46,399
thousand.

5405
03:22:46,399 --> 03:22:48,640
I don't think we should take that

5406
03:22:48,640 --> 03:22:50,960
lightly and we have some options that we

5407
03:22:50,960 --> 03:22:52,479
might be able to reduce that a little

5408
03:22:52,479 --> 03:22:56,000
through them re-evaluating some things.

5409
03:22:56,000 --> 03:22:58,239
>> I would like to see one thing I mean the

5410
03:22:58,239 --> 03:23:00,080
process that we if we were to set this

5411
03:23:00,080 --> 03:23:02,399
we'd say notice award contract and then

5412
03:23:02,399 --> 03:23:07,040
notice to proceed. Um, so and we're not

5413
03:23:07,040 --> 03:23:08,880
looking to contract our notice to

5414
03:23:08,880 --> 03:23:11,439
proceed, but we issued a notice of

5415
03:23:11,439 --> 03:23:13,920
award. Um,

5416
03:23:13,920 --> 03:23:16,000
we're not going out for rebid, but that

5417
03:23:16,000 --> 03:23:18,000
that's really when is going to be

5418
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:20,319
comfortable like working with this

5419
03:23:20,319 --> 03:23:23,200
knowing that they have the award on any

5420
03:23:23,200 --> 03:23:26,960
value engineering. Um, that might save

5421
03:23:26,960 --> 03:23:30,800
us time is what I would like to see.

5422
03:23:30,800 --> 03:23:35,200
at this point and see that

5423
03:23:35,200 --> 03:23:36,720
>> I appreciate at this point I made the

5424
03:23:36,720 --> 03:23:38,160
motion so we need to vote on it as it

5425
03:23:38,160 --> 03:23:40,319
stands I think um and then if we want to

5426
03:23:40,319 --> 03:23:44,160
change that but I mean I'm I'm still the

5427
03:23:44,160 --> 03:23:46,080
motion still stands as made that we

5428
03:23:46,080 --> 03:23:47,760
would have you go back and talk to

5429
03:23:47,760 --> 03:23:49,279
engineer

5430
03:23:49,279 --> 03:23:50,800
so

5431
03:23:50,800 --> 03:23:54,479
>> and that's where we're at is um I think

5432
03:23:54,479 --> 03:23:56,560
we proceed with the value of engineering

5433
03:23:56,560 --> 03:23:59,600
see where we're at pause and then decide

5434
03:23:59,600 --> 03:24:04,790
at that point we're going to remain

5435
03:24:04,800 --> 03:24:07,040
like Larry said and we just move on with

5436
03:24:07,040 --> 03:24:09,760
the bids that we have.

5437
03:24:09,760 --> 03:24:11,600
>> So the motion that was made by council

5438
03:24:11,600 --> 03:24:13,520
member Craig was for it to go out to bid

5439
03:24:13,520 --> 03:24:16,080
when you seconded it council member

5440
03:24:16,080 --> 03:24:17,920
here. Were you seconding it for it to go

5441
03:24:17,920 --> 03:24:21,279
out to bid and now are you how do we do

5442
03:24:21,279 --> 03:24:22,080
that?

5443
03:24:22,080 --> 03:24:23,680
>> The motion was made to table this

5444
03:24:23,680 --> 03:24:26,160
motion. Then we just table this motion

5445
03:24:26,160 --> 03:24:27,920
table and come back with the information

5446
03:24:27,920 --> 03:24:29,920
that we gather from the engineer to make

5447
03:24:29,920 --> 03:24:31,600
a decision on the motion.

5448
03:24:31,600 --> 03:24:33,200
>> The motion just stands as tableing of

5449
03:24:33,200 --> 03:24:34,479
this motion. I don't think we're taking

5450
03:24:34,479 --> 03:24:35,200
any other action.

5451
03:24:35,200 --> 03:24:36,800
>> Okay. Just tableabling the motion. We're

5452
03:24:36,800 --> 03:24:38,880
not adding any kind of

5453
03:24:38,880 --> 03:24:40,720
>> we're asking our engineer to go and do

5454
03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:42,479
those things. Will you go do those

5455
03:24:42,479 --> 03:24:45,120
things? I

5456
03:24:45,120 --> 03:24:47,600
>> Okay. So the motion then has been table.

5457
03:24:47,600 --> 03:24:49,920
I mean motion for table and seconded.

5458
03:24:49,920 --> 03:24:51,600
There's been discussion. Any further

5459
03:24:51,600 --> 03:24:54,080
discussion before we vote? So if we need

5460
03:24:54,080 --> 03:24:55,680
to call a special meeting, we'll do it

5461
03:24:55,680 --> 03:24:57,279
at that point once we get the

5462
03:24:57,279 --> 03:24:58,399
information back.

5463
03:24:58,399 --> 03:24:59,200
>> Yes.

5464
03:24:59,200 --> 03:25:01,600
>> Because I'm I'm in agreement. We need to

5465
03:25:01,600 --> 03:25:03,600
>> move. Yes.

5466
03:25:03,600 --> 03:25:06,399
>> Okay. So all in favor of that motion and

5467
03:25:06,399 --> 03:25:08,560
second.

5468
03:25:08,560 --> 03:25:11,760
>> Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. Thank you

5469
03:25:11,760 --> 03:25:12,960
for your work on this.

5470
03:25:12,960 --> 03:25:14,319
>> The next one too.

5471
03:25:14,319 --> 03:25:16,880
>> Yes. Okay. So yes, if you'll explain

5472
03:25:16,880 --> 03:25:19,120
this.

5473
03:25:19,120 --> 03:25:20,880
>> Okay. Yeah, I'll explain this just a

5474
03:25:20,880 --> 03:25:23,600
little bit. So um

5475
03:25:23,600 --> 03:25:26,640
This is part of a need of our sewer that

5476
03:25:26,640 --> 03:25:28,560
we need to construct a force made on

5477
03:25:28,560 --> 03:25:31,520
5100 west. Um because right now we

5478
03:25:31,520 --> 03:25:33,680
currently get it into West Haven goes

5479
03:25:33,680 --> 03:25:35,520
through their system but they us get out

5480
03:25:35,520 --> 03:25:38,160
of it. So we got to keep our home system

5481
03:25:38,160 --> 03:25:40,960
um on 5100 west get the sewer from the

5482
03:25:40,960 --> 03:25:44,720
east area up to 400 south where it can

5483
03:25:44,720 --> 03:25:47,600
be combined with the other four we have.

5484
03:25:47,600 --> 03:25:50,880
So we've been uh we've been designing

5485
03:25:50,880 --> 03:25:54,080
this um simultaneously to that it's been

5486
03:25:54,080 --> 03:25:58,469
going on as the constru

5487
03:25:58,479 --> 03:26:00,800
and you been out there you see a lot

5488
03:26:00,800 --> 03:26:04,399
going on and now they've said like this

5489
03:26:04,399 --> 03:26:07,760
could save a lot of time money and just

5490
03:26:07,760 --> 03:26:09,520
qual overall quality of the product if

5491
03:26:09,520 --> 03:26:11,520
we did this in conjunction with that

5492
03:26:11,520 --> 03:26:15,840
road project. Um we agree with that. Um

5493
03:26:15,840 --> 03:26:17,920
what we want to do is portion of the

5494
03:26:17,920 --> 03:26:19,439
force man that would get out of that

5495
03:26:19,439 --> 03:26:21,040
intersection

5496
03:26:21,040 --> 03:26:23,359
um and then about 200 feet out of that

5497
03:26:23,359 --> 03:26:25,359
intersection

5498
03:26:25,359 --> 03:26:27,680
pause the project there and wait for the

5499
03:26:27,680 --> 03:26:30,880
rest of the project um funding to go. So

5500
03:26:30,880 --> 03:26:34,160
what we're doing right now is asking for

5501
03:26:34,160 --> 03:26:36,880
partial funding for that small portion

5502
03:26:36,880 --> 03:26:38,800
that can be done in conjunction with the

5503
03:26:38,800 --> 03:26:42,950
roadway project.

5504
03:26:42,960 --> 03:26:45,040
So you make sure I understand you right.

5505
03:26:45,040 --> 03:26:47,520
This would be from 4,000 north.

5506
03:26:47,520 --> 03:26:50,720
>> 4,000 south.

5507
03:26:50,720 --> 03:26:52,880
>> In the intersection of 4,000 South is

5508
03:26:52,880 --> 03:26:56,640
where we have to do some of the projects

5509
03:26:56,640 --> 03:26:58,720
and get out right away. And then we're

5510
03:26:58,720 --> 03:27:03,279
going to build 200 ft out basically to

5511
03:27:03,279 --> 03:27:06,399
>> to stay out of the of what's going on in

5512
03:27:06,399 --> 03:27:08,399
that project.

5513
03:27:08,399 --> 03:27:13,110
But the whole length of the project is

5514
03:27:13,120 --> 03:27:14,560
or something.

5515
03:27:14,560 --> 03:27:16,880
>> And you ultimately anticipate this would

5516
03:27:16,880 --> 03:27:18,560
save the city some money to do this

5517
03:27:18,560 --> 03:27:20,960
portion right now rather than redoing it

5518
03:27:20,960 --> 03:27:22,239
down the road.

5519
03:27:22,239 --> 03:27:25,279
>> It will save money um as in the fact

5520
03:27:25,279 --> 03:27:27,200
that we got the contractor already

5521
03:27:27,200 --> 03:27:31,760
mobilized part of that project. Um and

5522
03:27:31,760 --> 03:27:33,760
one good thing about is the quality of

5523
03:27:33,760 --> 03:27:35,359
road that's being reconstructed. We

5524
03:27:35,359 --> 03:27:37,600
don't want to make a really nice road

5525
03:27:37,600 --> 03:27:42,070
and come back in a year.

5526
03:27:42,080 --> 03:27:44,399
Sounds like a great idea.

5527
03:27:44,399 --> 03:27:47,840
>> Um, so the total cost of that project at

5528
03:27:47,840 --> 03:27:50,080
first estimated to be about a million

5529
03:27:50,080 --> 03:27:52,960
dollars. Um, so this small portion of

5530
03:27:52,960 --> 03:27:55,600
it, which is the hardest part of it, is

5531
03:27:55,600 --> 03:27:59,279
I estimated to be about $350,000

5532
03:27:59,279 --> 03:28:03,040
or I think 388 38.

5533
03:28:03,040 --> 03:28:05,760
Um, so that's kind of what we need

5534
03:28:05,760 --> 03:28:08,720
immediately to get that going. So that

5535
03:28:08,720 --> 03:28:10,479
388 would be deducted off of that

5536
03:28:10,479 --> 03:28:12,720
initial portion and it wouldn't exceed

5537
03:28:12,720 --> 03:28:13,520
it.

5538
03:28:13,520 --> 03:28:15,200
>> Yeah.

5539
03:28:15,200 --> 03:28:17,680
>> But we do have to I mean that was my

5540
03:28:17,680 --> 03:28:19,439
estimate. We just want to work with

5541
03:28:19,439 --> 03:28:21,680
staker give them our design and they

5542
03:28:21,680 --> 03:28:25,040
have to give us the cost. That would be

5543
03:28:25,040 --> 03:28:27,200
>> did I understand right that we have a

5544
03:28:27,200 --> 03:28:29,520
grant for that?

5545
03:28:29,520 --> 03:28:31,040
>> Yes that's part of this that we're

5546
03:28:31,040 --> 03:28:32,720
hoping that you know could go along with

5547
03:28:32,720 --> 03:28:35,760
this and also that regional lift station

5548
03:28:35,760 --> 03:28:38,000
but I think meeting with

5549
03:28:38,000 --> 03:28:39,680
which I did this week. They're just just

5550
03:28:39,680 --> 03:28:41,760
like mentioned. Why do we want it for

5551
03:28:41,760 --> 03:28:44,399
the road then come within and then and

5552
03:28:44,399 --> 03:28:46,960
then dig it back out. And again, Cammy

5553
03:28:46,960 --> 03:28:49,040
said that if we approve this, we do not

5554
03:28:49,040 --> 03:28:51,359
have to do amended a budget. They would

5555
03:28:51,359 --> 03:28:53,439
just she could do that when we do our

5556
03:28:53,439 --> 03:28:56,479
final budget, which would be

5557
03:28:56,479 --> 03:28:58,640
>> So, we actually I'm a little confused

5558
03:28:58,640 --> 03:29:00,479
there. So, we actually have a grant or

5559
03:29:00,479 --> 03:29:03,200
this would be part of the CRA grant that

5560
03:29:03,200 --> 03:29:04,800
you're talking about.

5561
03:29:04,800 --> 03:29:06,319
>> So,

5562
03:29:06,319 --> 03:29:07,760
two different things that could be

5563
03:29:07,760 --> 03:29:10,560
related. So, we we received grant money

5564
03:29:10,560 --> 03:29:13,200
from Blake Moore's office for 1.5

5565
03:29:13,200 --> 03:29:15,680
million that we haven't specifically

5566
03:29:15,680 --> 03:29:18,560
designated for anything yet. It could be

5567
03:29:18,560 --> 03:29:20,960
used for this. It also could be used

5568
03:29:20,960 --> 03:29:23,120
because this could be part of the CRA

5569
03:29:23,120 --> 03:29:25,760
because in order to have that regional

5570
03:29:25,760 --> 03:29:27,680
lift station, that sewage, it will hook

5571
03:29:27,680 --> 03:29:29,680
into this force name.

5572
03:29:29,680 --> 03:29:31,279
>> But, but again, this could be

5573
03:29:31,279 --> 03:29:33,840
independent of the CR.

5574
03:29:33,840 --> 03:29:36,239
>> Yes. We could use part of that money for

5575
03:29:36,239 --> 03:29:36,640
this.

5576
03:29:36,640 --> 03:29:38,560
>> Sure. We can just use a million dollars

5577
03:29:38,560 --> 03:29:40,720
and pay for this.

5578
03:29:40,720 --> 03:29:43,040
>> Or like we mentioned, if we do end up

5579
03:29:43,040 --> 03:29:45,120
doing the CRA, we could put that million

5580
03:29:45,120 --> 03:29:48,560
dollar towards our portion rather than

5581
03:29:48,560 --> 03:29:50,319
us

5582
03:29:50,319 --> 03:29:52,479
>> and you are fairly confident the grants

5583
03:29:52,479 --> 03:29:54,080
going to come through.

5584
03:29:54,080 --> 03:29:57,520
>> So the only hold up so it's going to the

5585
03:29:57,520 --> 03:29:59,439
federal government for appropriations.

5586
03:29:59,439 --> 03:30:03,200
They have to meet to approve a budget.

5587
03:30:03,200 --> 03:30:05,359
If the budget doesn't get approved,

5588
03:30:05,359 --> 03:30:07,680
which has happened, then that might be

5589
03:30:07,680 --> 03:30:10,720
one that they acts out, but approved

5590
03:30:10,720 --> 03:30:12,479
budget, that's the final amount that

5591
03:30:12,479 --> 03:30:15,760
we're getting that parted.

5592
03:30:15,760 --> 03:30:18,239
>> How soon do you have to know?

5593
03:30:18,239 --> 03:30:20,239
>> Um,

5594
03:30:20,239 --> 03:30:23,120
we hope to get this done. Half states

5595
03:30:23,120 --> 03:30:27,359
are doing it in a month from now. So,

5596
03:30:27,359 --> 03:30:29,120
>> so if we don't have the grant yet, then

5597
03:30:29,120 --> 03:30:31,120
we're just paying out the budget is the

5598
03:30:31,120 --> 03:30:33,600
idea, right? It's just the reality of

5599
03:30:33,600 --> 03:30:35,359
city either way.

5600
03:30:35,359 --> 03:30:37,040
>> S doesn't get approved. We're going to

5601
03:30:37,040 --> 03:30:38,800
pay out of the budget we have today. So,

5602
03:30:38,800 --> 03:30:40,560
it's going to come out of

5603
03:30:40,560 --> 03:30:42,239
>> our project.

5604
03:30:42,239 --> 03:30:45,600
>> It could capital a capital um project

5605
03:30:45,600 --> 03:30:47,520
because this is something like we talked

5606
03:30:47,520 --> 03:30:50,560
about in that does have to be done. We

5607
03:30:50,560 --> 03:30:53,359
are way over capacity what we should be.

5608
03:30:53,359 --> 03:30:55,359
The only thing and when I met with them

5609
03:30:55,359 --> 03:30:58,000
this week, they said they should be to

5610
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:00,560
4,000. They're hoping by August. I think

5611
03:31:00,560 --> 03:31:02,960
it was fourth, fifth, and sixth. So, we

5612
03:31:02,960 --> 03:31:05,279
really do only have till a few weeks.

5613
03:31:05,279 --> 03:31:07,040
They want they want to know because

5614
03:31:07,040 --> 03:31:09,200
we're they're holding when they get to

5615
03:31:09,200 --> 03:31:10,800
that point, they will hold up the

5616
03:31:10,800 --> 03:31:13,200
project if we are going to do this. If

5617
03:31:13,200 --> 03:31:15,359
not, then they move on and then we end

5618
03:31:15,359 --> 03:31:18,080
up taking out the Derek, can I ask you a

5619
03:31:18,080 --> 03:31:20,239
question? He said that West said, "We

5620
03:31:20,239 --> 03:31:21,840
got to get out of there, Stewart."

5621
03:31:21,840 --> 03:31:23,279
>> What's that actually mean? West said,

5622
03:31:23,279 --> 03:31:24,720
"We got to get out of there, Stewart."

5623
03:31:24,720 --> 03:31:27,040
>> What if we say no? I mean literally like

5624
03:31:27,040 --> 03:31:29,359
what would be what have they said to us?

5625
03:31:29,359 --> 03:31:31,680
What are we legally obligated to do?

5626
03:31:31,680 --> 03:31:33,120
What is the time frame in which we have

5627
03:31:33,120 --> 03:31:34,800
to do that? Is it just at this point a

5628
03:31:34,800 --> 03:31:36,160
friendly hey will you get out of our

5629
03:31:36,160 --> 03:31:38,000
sewer or is there an actual action that

5630
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:39,920
is forcing us to

5631
03:31:39,920 --> 03:31:41,680
>> I would have to take some time to

5632
03:31:41,680 --> 03:31:44,000
research that specifically. But

5633
03:31:44,000 --> 03:31:46,080
>> I think we ought to charge I think this

5634
03:31:46,080 --> 03:31:48,720
pipe's on city property. It's on our

5635
03:31:48,720 --> 03:31:49,840
side of the border.

5636
03:31:49,840 --> 03:31:52,960
>> It's their property. Um they have rights

5637
03:31:52,960 --> 03:31:55,279
their property. a right to exclude

5638
03:31:55,279 --> 03:31:58,160
people off their property, but I would

5639
03:31:58,160 --> 03:32:01,040
have to look to see if we have any we

5640
03:32:01,040 --> 03:32:03,279
have an agreement that was made a long

5641
03:32:03,279 --> 03:32:06,800
time ago and I was told that we've tried

5642
03:32:06,800 --> 03:32:08,640
we're doing that and they've always kind

5643
03:32:08,640 --> 03:32:10,800
of said we're good. Don't worry about

5644
03:32:10,800 --> 03:32:13,040
it. So, they're actually there's an

5645
03:32:13,040 --> 03:32:17,910
expired agreement what I'm understand.

5646
03:32:17,920 --> 03:32:19,920
» Yeah, I'm just curious of our actual

5647
03:32:19,920 --> 03:32:21,359
obligation to this. I mean not

5648
03:32:21,359 --> 03:32:22,880
speculating or anything just like what

5649
03:32:22,880 --> 03:32:24,800
do what do we have to do what time frame

5650
03:32:24,800 --> 03:32:26,080
because that might pressure this project

5651
03:32:26,080 --> 03:32:28,080
or it might relax it.

5652
03:32:28,080 --> 03:32:30,239
>> So the last interlocal agreement we have

5653
03:32:30,239 --> 03:32:34,000
signed was signed on June 3rd 2004

5654
03:32:34,000 --> 03:32:36,319
and we have not done a current one since

5655
03:32:36,319 --> 03:32:38,239
then and at that time we signed up at

5656
03:32:38,239 --> 03:32:41,200
the 600 homes cap and as I mentioned

5657
03:32:41,200 --> 03:32:43,520
we're down to 975.

5658
03:32:43,520 --> 03:32:46,560
So we currently we do not have a legal

5659
03:32:46,560 --> 03:32:48,560
agreement with West Haven to even allow

5660
03:32:48,560 --> 03:32:51,680
us to be there. We paying a leaving fee.

5661
03:32:51,680 --> 03:32:53,040
>> But do we have like a cease and desist

5662
03:32:53,040 --> 03:32:54,800
or do we have like an order by then?

5663
03:32:54,800 --> 03:32:57,600
>> No. No. Because they're a community

5664
03:32:57,600 --> 03:32:59,279
that's right next to us.

5665
03:32:59,279 --> 03:33:00,080
>> Yeah.

5666
03:33:00,080 --> 03:33:01,760
>> I'm just wondering legally obligation.

5667
03:33:01,760 --> 03:33:03,520
Like what do we We're imposing We're

5668
03:33:03,520 --> 03:33:05,439
saying like, "Hey, let's go add $300,000

5669
03:33:05,439 --> 03:33:07,279
to our budget to do this right now. Uh

5670
03:33:07,279 --> 03:33:09,040
we may or may not get a grant to pay for

5671
03:33:09,040 --> 03:33:10,319
this. We're going to go ask taxpayers

5672
03:33:10,319 --> 03:33:12,640
for more money." Um but we may not even

5673
03:33:12,640 --> 03:33:13,920
have a pressure if it's a perceived

5674
03:33:13,920 --> 03:33:15,520
pressure like Yeah. And we're a

5675
03:33:15,520 --> 03:33:16,960
community next to them. So I think that

5676
03:33:16,960 --> 03:33:19,120
that's also cuts both ways. say, "Hey

5677
03:33:19,120 --> 03:33:20,640
guys, we're a community next to you. We

5678
03:33:20,640 --> 03:33:22,800
don't really have this money. Um, so are

5679
03:33:22,800 --> 03:33:24,880
we doing this because it's like, you

5680
03:33:24,880 --> 03:33:25,920
know, we're being nice or is it

5681
03:33:25,920 --> 03:33:27,520
something we really need to do?"

5682
03:33:27,520 --> 03:33:29,439
>> What can you explain again what the

5683
03:33:29,439 --> 03:33:31,200
perceived pressure is? What are they

5684
03:33:31,200 --> 03:33:32,399
saying to

5685
03:33:32,399 --> 03:33:37,429
>> um give a time frame? Did they

5686
03:33:37,439 --> 03:33:40,160
» So, I first became aware of this two

5687
03:33:40,160 --> 03:33:42,080
years ago when we received this weaving

5688
03:33:42,080 --> 03:33:44,399
field fee bill, which we didn't have any

5689
03:33:44,399 --> 03:33:47,600
idea what it was. So then when I went

5690
03:33:47,600 --> 03:33:49,840
and asked what is this bill because I

5691
03:33:49,840 --> 03:33:52,560
was asked what is this bill and it was

5692
03:33:52,560 --> 03:33:54,239
we were supposed to pay this check and

5693
03:33:54,239 --> 03:33:57,120
we hadn't paid the last one we had paid

5694
03:33:57,120 --> 03:34:00,960
was back in June of 2023 and then we

5695
03:34:00,960 --> 03:34:03,120
received a bill that was probably July

5696
03:34:03,120 --> 03:34:06,319
or excuse me June of 2024 that showed

5697
03:34:06,319 --> 03:34:09,680
Leo this amount that was over $33,000

5698
03:34:09,680 --> 03:34:12,080
which we didn't know. That's what I went

5699
03:34:12,080 --> 03:34:14,239
and asked. Um the engineer over there at

5700
03:34:14,239 --> 03:34:16,399
that time said, "Yes, you need to get

5701
03:34:16,399 --> 03:34:18,800
out." Their public works directors over

5702
03:34:18,800 --> 03:34:20,880
the sewer said, "Well, we'll we'll work

5703
03:34:20,880 --> 03:34:23,200
with you, Hooper." We talked about it in

5704
03:34:23,200 --> 03:34:26,080
the budget season of 2024. They were

5705
03:34:26,080 --> 03:34:28,160
aware the council was this needs to be

5706
03:34:28,160 --> 03:34:30,160
done. We didn't have the money. Let's

5707
03:34:30,160 --> 03:34:33,279
put it off to a 2005 came back budget.

5708
03:34:33,279 --> 03:34:35,040
Let's talk about it. Same was similar

5709
03:34:35,040 --> 03:34:37,200
this year. So, it's something that we

5710
03:34:37,200 --> 03:34:40,399
have known now. So when we say urgent,

5711
03:34:40,399 --> 03:34:43,120
what is urgent? Two years, five years,

5712
03:34:43,120 --> 03:34:44,880
10 years, I don't know. But it is

5713
03:34:44,880 --> 03:34:46,399
something that we know that does need to

5714
03:34:46,399 --> 03:34:48,239
be done. And then we didn't put it in

5715
03:34:48,239 --> 03:34:49,680
the budget this year because then we

5716
03:34:49,680 --> 03:34:50,880
talked about, well, if we get this

5717
03:34:50,880 --> 03:34:52,560
grant, we could use that. If we do a

5718
03:34:52,560 --> 03:34:56,239
CRA, we could use that money.

5719
03:34:56,239 --> 03:34:59,120
>> I'd agree with what she said. And then I

5720
03:34:59,120 --> 03:35:02,479
mean, once the Smith and the East area,

5721
03:35:02,479 --> 03:35:06,640
all those homes get tied into here, I

5722
03:35:06,640 --> 03:35:09,680
think that's when things are

5723
03:35:09,680 --> 03:35:11,840
there's not going to be capacity for

5724
03:35:11,840 --> 03:35:13,760
those many additions.

5725
03:35:13,760 --> 03:35:15,200
>> Yeah, but that's a lot of assumptions,

5726
03:35:15,200 --> 03:35:16,720
right? That's assuming this fence is

5727
03:35:16,720 --> 03:35:18,479
going to happen. That's assuming I mean

5728
03:35:18,479 --> 03:35:20,399
that's assuming we're getting a grant.

5729
03:35:20,399 --> 03:35:22,080
So, what I'm saying is I'm I'm trying to

5730
03:35:22,080 --> 03:35:24,080
measure in realities here and the

5731
03:35:24,080 --> 03:35:26,319
reality is we have known for a long time

5732
03:35:26,319 --> 03:35:28,880
that we're in West Haven sewage. Yes, we

5733
03:35:28,880 --> 03:35:31,040
probably should get out of that. Do we

5734
03:35:31,040 --> 03:35:34,239
put a $300,000 obligation to our budget

5735
03:35:34,239 --> 03:35:36,800
to make sure we do that right now? Um is

5736
03:35:36,800 --> 03:35:39,680
West Haven asking I get an engineer or

5737
03:35:39,680 --> 03:35:41,840
an employee or somebody said it as West

5738
03:35:41,840 --> 03:35:43,600
Haven city council has an attorney has

5739
03:35:43,600 --> 03:35:45,680
anybody legally

5740
03:35:45,680 --> 03:35:48,560
>> if that is a liability if they decide

5741
03:35:48,560 --> 03:35:50,479
tomorrow that they want to exclude us

5742
03:35:50,479 --> 03:35:53,040
from us from it then that is

5743
03:35:53,040 --> 03:35:56,239
>> they can't exclude us I just would want

5744
03:35:56,239 --> 03:35:58,239
to look at the agreement on how soon

5745
03:35:58,239 --> 03:35:59,600
they can do it

5746
03:35:59,600 --> 03:36:01,680
>> if there's anything there so

5747
03:36:01,680 --> 03:36:03,439
>> the reason

5748
03:36:03,439 --> 03:36:04,640
>> oh I was just going to say the reason

5749
03:36:04,640 --> 03:36:06,160
for the urgency now is because of the

5750
03:36:06,160 --> 03:36:07,840
blacking of the

5751
03:36:07,840 --> 03:36:10,399
We we probably would have we we would

5752
03:36:10,399 --> 03:36:13,359
have probably waited, you know, um

5753
03:36:13,359 --> 03:36:14,880
Taylor, they've been working on getting

5754
03:36:14,880 --> 03:36:17,200
this engineered. I think we thought we

5755
03:36:17,200 --> 03:36:19,439
probably had more time. We could have

5756
03:36:19,439 --> 03:36:21,120
waited to see if we get the grant if we

5757
03:36:21,120 --> 03:36:23,359
do the CRA, but now they are to this

5758
03:36:23,359 --> 03:36:25,359
project. And if you look down 5100,

5759
03:36:25,359 --> 03:36:26,479
you're going to see where they have

5760
03:36:26,479 --> 03:36:27,840
stopped with the curved gutter and

5761
03:36:27,840 --> 03:36:29,840
sidewalk because they said, "We need to

5762
03:36:29,840 --> 03:36:32,000
know what we're doing at 4,000." If

5763
03:36:32,000 --> 03:36:34,479
you're going to come in and put in, and

5764
03:36:34,479 --> 03:36:35,840
I don't remember now, you would know,

5765
03:36:35,840 --> 03:36:37,840
but whatever. not a T, it's some kind of

5766
03:36:37,840 --> 03:36:40,080
a valve. We need to know if you're doing

5767
03:36:40,080 --> 03:36:42,239
that now, then we'll hold up. We'll give

5768
03:36:42,239 --> 03:36:43,920
you a chance to put that in. If you're

5769
03:36:43,920 --> 03:36:45,920
not going, they're not saying we have to

5770
03:36:45,920 --> 03:36:48,560
do this right now. We're saying we want

5771
03:36:48,560 --> 03:36:51,439
to do it before they pour the road, then

5772
03:36:51,439 --> 03:36:53,600
we redig up the road for us to do it if

5773
03:36:53,600 --> 03:36:55,840
that is 6 to9 months down the road.

5774
03:36:55,840 --> 03:36:57,600
>> Sure. And mayor, with all due respect,

5775
03:36:57,600 --> 03:37:00,239
this is all connected to a reality that

5776
03:37:00,239 --> 03:37:02,160
we have a sewage system that is aging,

5777
03:37:02,160 --> 03:37:03,600
that is horrible, that we shouldn't be

5778
03:37:03,600 --> 03:37:05,439
in in the first place, but we are in it.

5779
03:37:05,439 --> 03:37:07,279
And it connects to the CRA discussion.

5780
03:37:07,279 --> 03:37:08,560
It connects to these pump house

5781
03:37:08,560 --> 03:37:10,720
discussions. It connects to um this

5782
03:37:10,720 --> 03:37:12,479
tearing up the road discussion because

5783
03:37:12,479 --> 03:37:14,080
of the type of system because of what we

5784
03:37:14,080 --> 03:37:15,359
have because of the infrastructure

5785
03:37:15,359 --> 03:37:18,080
failing. And and I 100% agree. We got to

5786
03:37:18,080 --> 03:37:20,479
fix it. I just don't believe it's a

5787
03:37:20,479 --> 03:37:22,080
convenient discussion for us to continue

5788
03:37:22,080 --> 03:37:23,600
to go to the citizens of Hooker and say,

5789
03:37:23,600 --> 03:37:25,040
"Look, reach in your pocket and spend

5790
03:37:25,040 --> 03:37:26,880
more money." We continue to do that. I

5791
03:37:26,880 --> 03:37:28,319
mean, it's like we're going to raise

5792
03:37:28,319 --> 03:37:30,560
your taxes for the sheriff. We

5793
03:37:30,560 --> 03:37:31,760
appreciate the sheriff. We got to raise

5794
03:37:31,760 --> 03:37:33,120
the taxes for that. We don't want to

5795
03:37:33,120 --> 03:37:34,479
have to do that. We're going to raise

5796
03:37:34,479 --> 03:37:36,479
your taxes for this, for that. I mean,

5797
03:37:36,479 --> 03:37:38,720
it's just continuously asking our

5798
03:37:38,720 --> 03:37:41,359
citizens to hand more money out of their

5799
03:37:41,359 --> 03:37:43,600
pocket. And look, every time I go to the

5800
03:37:43,600 --> 03:37:44,800
store, my daughter says, "Hey, I want

5801
03:37:44,800 --> 03:37:46,239
that." And I say, "What money are you

5802
03:37:46,239 --> 03:37:47,439
going to spend it with?" And she points

5803
03:37:47,439 --> 03:37:49,279
at me and says, "With my money." So, I

5804
03:37:49,279 --> 03:37:51,840
understand asking somebody else to spend

5805
03:37:51,840 --> 03:37:54,000
the money for you. I just don't think

5806
03:37:54,000 --> 03:37:55,600
that we can continue to do this to the

5807
03:37:55,600 --> 03:37:57,200
citizens over and over. We've talked

5808
03:37:57,200 --> 03:37:59,040
about it three times across three

5809
03:37:59,040 --> 03:38:01,520
separate things tonight. Um, and our

5810
03:38:01,520 --> 03:38:03,359
budget isn't even finalized. So what's

5811
03:38:03,359 --> 03:38:04,479
it going to look like by the time we

5812
03:38:04,479 --> 03:38:05,279
finalize it?

5813
03:38:05,279 --> 03:38:06,640
>> Just so you understand too when we

5814
03:38:06,640 --> 03:38:08,160
brought the second word meaning this is

5815
03:38:08,160 --> 03:38:10,720
separate than the vacuum stations. This

5816
03:38:10,720 --> 03:38:12,479
is has to do with the lift station the

5817
03:38:12,479 --> 03:38:14,560
gravity none of these go through those

5818
03:38:14,560 --> 03:38:16,000
>> but it's still like I'm just saying

5819
03:38:16,000 --> 03:38:18,160
infrastructure like we recognize that we

5820
03:38:18,160 --> 03:38:20,080
have a failing infrastructure system

5821
03:38:20,080 --> 03:38:24,160
that we got to attend to. And so I don't

5822
03:38:24,160 --> 03:38:25,359
know when I go to somebody and I say,

5823
03:38:25,359 --> 03:38:26,720
"Hey, this is going to cost this much

5824
03:38:26,720 --> 03:38:27,840
money and we're going to ask you for

5825
03:38:27,840 --> 03:38:29,439
this much money." And then two months

5826
03:38:29,439 --> 03:38:30,800
later I go back to them and say, "Hey,

5827
03:38:30,800 --> 03:38:32,399
just kidding. It's going to cost you

5828
03:38:32,399 --> 03:38:34,160
300,000 more." "Hey, by the way, just

5829
03:38:34,160 --> 03:38:35,600
kidding. It's going to cost you 300,000

5830
03:38:35,600 --> 03:38:37,520
more." I feel like it's hard for me to

5831
03:38:37,520 --> 03:38:39,680
look our citizens in the eye and tell

5832
03:38:39,680 --> 03:38:41,920
them that we're done spending their

5833
03:38:41,920 --> 03:38:42,720
money.

5834
03:38:42,720 --> 03:38:44,399
>> So, one thing you need to understand is

5835
03:38:44,399 --> 03:38:46,960
we are a city. We have been a city now

5836
03:38:46,960 --> 03:38:49,439
for almost 26 years. The health

5837
03:38:49,439 --> 03:38:50,880
department came and told us we had to

5838
03:38:50,880 --> 03:38:53,279
hook into a sewer and so we did. Maybe

5839
03:38:53,279 --> 03:38:55,279
the time is we need to look at as a city

5840
03:38:55,279 --> 03:38:56,800
what are we going to do then to start

5841
03:38:56,800 --> 03:38:58,640
alleviating some of these revenue

5842
03:38:58,640 --> 03:39:00,720
shortfalls that we have. We are going to

5843
03:39:00,720 --> 03:39:03,200
have sewer. We are going to have water.

5844
03:39:03,200 --> 03:39:05,520
We have to that's just part of being a

5845
03:39:05,520 --> 03:39:08,080
city is having infrastructure costs.

5846
03:39:08,080 --> 03:39:09,200
>> Yeah. And I don't need to understand

5847
03:39:09,200 --> 03:39:10,960
that. I do understand that we're a city

5848
03:39:10,960 --> 03:39:12,399
but I also understand that I've got

5849
03:39:12,399 --> 03:39:14,720
people that are citizens who elected me

5850
03:39:14,720 --> 03:39:16,399
that are sitting in the Silver Saddle

5851
03:39:16,399 --> 03:39:18,160
subdivision telling me that their

5852
03:39:18,160 --> 03:39:19,680
basement are flooding with sewer because

5853
03:39:19,680 --> 03:39:22,080
of our infrastructure. Decisions that

5854
03:39:22,080 --> 03:39:24,080
we've made as a city, we need to

5855
03:39:24,080 --> 03:39:27,040
continue. But it's easy to go say we're

5856
03:39:27,040 --> 03:39:28,479
going to make a law or we're going to

5857
03:39:28,479 --> 03:39:30,960
charge you money for it because none of

5858
03:39:30,960 --> 03:39:32,479
us are reaching in our own pocket. We're

5859
03:39:32,479 --> 03:39:33,840
reaching in the pocket of the people who

5860
03:39:33,840 --> 03:39:35,760
elected us. And I don't take it lightly.

5861
03:39:35,760 --> 03:39:37,840
And I think we need to be very clear of

5862
03:39:37,840 --> 03:39:39,359
our plan of doing that.

5863
03:39:39,359 --> 03:39:40,640
>> Well, just you know, a little

5864
03:39:40,640 --> 03:39:42,319
clarification with this too of some

5865
03:39:42,319 --> 03:39:43,920
little pre-planning would have been

5866
03:39:43,920 --> 03:39:45,840
done. Like I mentioned, we were supposed

5867
03:39:45,840 --> 03:39:48,800
to have been paying $250 a sewer impact

5868
03:39:48,800 --> 03:39:51,040
fee to even connect, which we have not.

5869
03:39:51,040 --> 03:39:52,319
If there would have been some

5870
03:39:52,319 --> 03:39:54,160
pre-planning and every time one of these

5871
03:39:54,160 --> 03:39:57,120
houses hooked into this force main, we

5872
03:39:57,120 --> 03:40:01,359
would have. So, we have 975 homes. If we

5873
03:40:01,359 --> 03:40:03,439
would have each charged them the amount

5874
03:40:03,439 --> 03:40:04,640
we should have, we could have that

5875
03:40:04,640 --> 03:40:06,080
pocket of money sitting there to pay for

5876
03:40:06,080 --> 03:40:08,479
this. Well, we didn't. So, now we're in

5877
03:40:08,479 --> 03:40:10,960
a situation. and what this is tonight.

5878
03:40:10,960 --> 03:40:13,120
Do you want to approve this to do this

5879
03:40:13,120 --> 03:40:16,000
now or we don't and then we just wait

5880
03:40:16,000 --> 03:40:18,720
down 9 months? It could even possibly be

5881
03:40:18,720 --> 03:40:20,720
a year and then we dig up a newly paved

5882
03:40:20,720 --> 03:40:22,479
road. That's that's what our decision

5883
03:40:22,479 --> 03:40:24,640
needs to be tonight. If you want this

5884
03:40:24,640 --> 03:40:26,479
done now, then this needs to be approved

5885
03:40:26,479 --> 03:40:29,439
or we wait and do it later and still

5886
03:40:29,439 --> 03:40:31,200
have to do it. But we then we're digging

5887
03:40:31,200 --> 03:40:32,720
up the road.

5888
03:40:32,720 --> 03:40:34,399
>> It sort of have to be done either way,

5889
03:40:34,399 --> 03:40:36,710
right?

5890
03:40:36,720 --> 03:40:38,479
So, let me throw another assumption into

5891
03:40:38,479 --> 03:40:41,120
your assumptions is that we're assuming

5892
03:40:41,120 --> 03:40:45,359
that when SR 177 comes through this

5893
03:40:45,359 --> 03:40:46,800
corridor that they're not going to

5894
03:40:46,800 --> 03:40:48,479
totally tear up the entire thing and

5895
03:40:48,479 --> 03:40:51,120
throw it all away and redo it, you know,

5896
03:40:51,120 --> 03:40:53,600
where where how is that going to affect

5897
03:40:53,600 --> 03:40:55,279
our infrastructure and our sewer system

5898
03:40:55,279 --> 03:40:57,680
and all those other questions about a

5899
03:40:57,680 --> 03:40:59,279
major freeway coming through? We don't

5900
03:40:59,279 --> 03:41:02,319
know. We have no idea right now. Um, and

5901
03:41:02,319 --> 03:41:05,680
so I'm kind of with David on this

5902
03:41:05,680 --> 03:41:08,479
obligation to West Haven. You know,

5903
03:41:08,479 --> 03:41:10,880
we've been told one thing and told

5904
03:41:10,880 --> 03:41:13,680
another thing and legally, what is our

5905
03:41:13,680 --> 03:41:17,120
legal obligation to West Haven with this

5906
03:41:17,120 --> 03:41:19,520
contract, with this wheeling fee, with

5907
03:41:19,520 --> 03:41:21,439
all these things are we supposed to get

5908
03:41:21,439 --> 03:41:24,720
out tomorrow in 5 years? Do we have to

5909
03:41:24,720 --> 03:41:27,600
stay in? Nobody knows what's really is

5910
03:41:27,600 --> 03:41:29,520
the deal with this trunk line going down

5911
03:41:29,520 --> 03:41:32,160
5100 West. We've been sharing it. Yes,

5912
03:41:32,160 --> 03:41:34,160
we've been paying a wheeling fee, then

5913
03:41:34,160 --> 03:41:36,720
we haven't been paying the wheeling fee.

5914
03:41:36,720 --> 03:41:39,120
Do we get to stay? You see what I'm

5915
03:41:39,120 --> 03:41:41,359
saying? There are so many questions

5916
03:41:41,359 --> 03:41:44,640
legally with this sewer line.

5917
03:41:44,640 --> 03:41:48,160
>> There is to spend 300,000 with all these

5918
03:41:48,160 --> 03:41:49,520
unanswered questions.

5919
03:41:49,520 --> 03:41:52,000
>> Right. Right. And you know, in years

5920
03:41:52,000 --> 03:41:54,399
past, this never came up. The wheeling

5921
03:41:54,399 --> 03:41:56,720
fee was paid and this was never brought

5922
03:41:56,720 --> 03:41:58,880
to us brought to our attention. and all

5923
03:41:58,880 --> 03:42:01,680
of a sudden we missed paying the the fee

5924
03:42:01,680 --> 03:42:04,640
and now we've got to get out. That's the

5925
03:42:04,640 --> 03:42:07,680
part from here to now you've got to get

5926
03:42:07,680 --> 03:42:10,560
out. That in between part is the part I

5927
03:42:10,560 --> 03:42:13,439
don't get. I don't understand how we got

5928
03:42:13,439 --> 03:42:16,160
to where we are today when

5929
03:42:16,160 --> 03:42:17,840
that wasn't the case just a couple years

5930
03:42:17,840 --> 03:42:18,239
ago.

5931
03:42:18,239 --> 03:42:20,560
>> Have we ever paid the connection fees?

5932
03:42:20,560 --> 03:42:21,120
>> Have what?

5933
03:42:21,120 --> 03:42:23,200
>> Have we ever paid the connection fees to

5934
03:42:23,200 --> 03:42:23,760
us?

5935
03:42:23,760 --> 03:42:26,080
>> Do I think it was required was that we

5936
03:42:26,080 --> 03:42:28,399
fee? I don't know if that is true though

5937
03:42:28,399 --> 03:42:30,479
because this is one and I had another

5938
03:42:30,479 --> 03:42:32,399
copy that was actually Dell you had

5939
03:42:32,399 --> 03:42:35,520
signed and it shows about the 250 and

5940
03:42:35,520 --> 03:42:37,600
goes through the homes. So I think you

5941
03:42:37,600 --> 03:42:40,160
were aware of this

5942
03:42:40,160 --> 03:42:42,000
>> at the weaving fee and the connection

5943
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:44,399
and if anybody would have ever looked.

5944
03:42:44,399 --> 03:42:47,359
So so I can't I can't really use I don't

5945
03:42:47,359 --> 03:42:48,560
think we should be able to use the

5946
03:42:48,560 --> 03:42:51,200
excuse that said we didn't know because

5947
03:42:51,200 --> 03:42:53,840
we have this interlocal agreement that

5948
03:42:53,840 --> 03:42:56,640
was signed. So someone should I'm not

5949
03:42:56,640 --> 03:42:58,880
saying we didn't know,

5950
03:42:58,880 --> 03:43:01,600
but it was never it was never discussion

5951
03:43:01,600 --> 03:43:04,800
because the fees were paid that

5952
03:43:04,800 --> 03:43:07,600
>> partial partial pay, but none of the

5953
03:43:07,600 --> 03:43:09,040
maintenance fees were paid. The

5954
03:43:09,040 --> 03:43:11,680
connection fee wasn't paid and from what

5955
03:43:11,680 --> 03:43:14,080
I was told, every time that asked, there

5956
03:43:14,080 --> 03:43:15,600
was someone that worked to us and said,

5957
03:43:15,600 --> 03:43:18,000
"Oh, we can worry about this later."

5958
03:43:18,000 --> 03:43:20,720
Well, but again, we are a sitting there

5959
03:43:20,720 --> 03:43:23,600
has to be legal things. Then then maybe

5960
03:43:23,600 --> 03:43:25,840
you don't want

5961
03:43:25,840 --> 03:43:27,279
main we will never be able to put

5962
03:43:27,279 --> 03:43:29,840
anything else into it. So there can't be

5963
03:43:29,840 --> 03:43:32,239
any further development along East

5964
03:43:32,239 --> 03:43:35,120
Hooper or 5500 because West Haven has

5965
03:43:35,120 --> 03:43:37,520
said they're not going to let us

5966
03:43:37,520 --> 03:43:39,680
continue to hook into this where we're

5967
03:43:39,680 --> 03:43:41,920
already 375 homes.

5968
03:43:41,920 --> 03:43:43,920
>> When and how did they say that when you

5969
03:43:43,920 --> 03:43:45,920
say West Haven like their council did

5970
03:43:45,920 --> 03:43:48,880
their attorney when

5971
03:43:48,880 --> 03:43:51,920
their public so we can we can go back to

5972
03:43:51,920 --> 03:43:54,000
them if you want to and see if they're

5973
03:43:54,000 --> 03:43:56,160
willing to an interlocal agreement with

5974
03:43:56,160 --> 03:43:57,600
this. Again,

5975
03:43:57,600 --> 03:43:59,120
>> I wouldn't recommend us proactively

5976
03:43:59,120 --> 03:44:00,880
going back and stirring up the file on

5977
03:44:00,880 --> 03:44:02,640
anything. And I think that we I think

5978
03:44:02,640 --> 03:44:05,520
that we need to see if West Haven is

5979
03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:07,040
coming to us to ask us something if

5980
03:44:07,040 --> 03:44:08,160
we're paying the willing fees. They're

5981
03:44:08,160 --> 03:44:10,000
accepting the payments and we're moving

5982
03:44:10,000 --> 03:44:11,760
forward. Uh I feel like the contract's

5983
03:44:11,760 --> 03:44:13,840
enforced. I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but

5984
03:44:13,840 --> 03:44:15,840
I I don't feel like we've gotten any

5985
03:44:15,840 --> 03:44:17,359
notice that we need to get out of this.

5986
03:44:17,359 --> 03:44:20,479
>> But there I I I just want to say that I

5987
03:44:20,479 --> 03:44:22,800
agree. I don't think we've been told to

5988
03:44:22,800 --> 03:44:25,760
leave, but I it from what it sounds

5989
03:44:25,760 --> 03:44:28,080
like, there's not an agreement that

5990
03:44:28,080 --> 03:44:30,640
stops them from telling us to leave.

5991
03:44:30,640 --> 03:44:30,960
>> Sure.

5992
03:44:30,960 --> 03:44:35,439
>> So, that is my concern.

5993
03:44:35,439 --> 03:44:37,840
>> So, how were we told to leave is the

5994
03:44:37,840 --> 03:44:40,239
question legally? Does there something

5995
03:44:40,239 --> 03:44:42,880
in writing saying we're you have 30 days

5996
03:44:42,880 --> 03:44:44,399
to get out? You know,

5997
03:44:44,399 --> 03:44:47,120
>> I would have to What was the I mean, it

5998
03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:49,199
doesn't sound like we

5999
03:44:49,199 --> 03:44:51,120
there wasn't legal thing. It was a

6000
03:44:51,120 --> 03:44:52,800
matter of their engineer and their

6001
03:44:52,800 --> 03:44:54,319
public works saying, "Mayor, we are

6002
03:44:54,319 --> 03:44:56,479
willing to work with you. We will give

6003
03:44:56,479 --> 03:44:58,239
you some time to work on this. We're not

6004
03:44:58,239 --> 03:44:59,840
going to tell you to get out in this in

6005
03:44:59,840 --> 03:45:02,319
a month." But but it's been two years

6006
03:45:02,319 --> 03:45:04,560
now that they have said that we're

6007
03:45:04,560 --> 03:45:05,840
willing to work with you.

6008
03:45:05,840 --> 03:45:07,040
>> So, it sounds like they're being good

6009
03:45:07,040 --> 03:45:08,560
neighbors,

6010
03:45:08,560 --> 03:45:10,960
but I'm just letting you know that if

6011
03:45:10,960 --> 03:45:12,399
there's not agreement in place, I'm

6012
03:45:12,399 --> 03:45:14,720
concerned that they can't

6013
03:45:14,720 --> 03:45:16,720
they could potentially.

6014
03:45:16,720 --> 03:45:19,680
>> Sure, they could. And I think we've

6015
03:45:19,680 --> 03:45:21,199
discussed this in several council

6016
03:45:21,199 --> 03:45:23,359
meetings about how to do this. This

6017
03:45:23,359 --> 03:45:25,760
isn't a brand new topic. We are talking

6018
03:45:25,760 --> 03:45:28,960
about doing this force main on 5100. The

6019
03:45:28,960 --> 03:45:31,520
thing that is brand new is do we want to

6020
03:45:31,520 --> 03:45:34,160
do this small section to get us out of

6021
03:45:34,160 --> 03:45:36,239
the rightway

6022
03:45:36,239 --> 03:45:40,800
or we don't have to. They're going to pave that road whether

6023
03:45:40,800 --> 03:45:43,680
we do this now or not. Just then we will

6024
03:45:43,680 --> 03:45:46,720
later on if we do this then we will be

6025
03:45:46,720 --> 03:45:49,040
digging up a new road. Taylor, can I ask

6026
03:45:49,040 --> 03:45:50,160
you another question?

6027
03:45:50,160 --> 03:45:50,800
>> Yeah.

6028
03:45:50,800 --> 03:45:54,080
>> Um, so you say it will save us a little

6029
03:45:54,080 --> 03:45:56,880
bit of money. What's a little bit? I

6030
03:45:56,880 --> 03:45:58,560
mean, we're talking hundreds of

6031
03:45:58,560 --> 03:46:00,800
thousands tonight. And so,

6032
03:46:00,800 --> 03:46:02,479
>> yeah, we're calling we're saying

6033
03:46:02,479 --> 03:46:07,670
mobilization.

6034
03:46:07,680 --> 03:46:09,279
» Mobilization,

6035
03:46:09,279 --> 03:46:12,000
which is arguable because they either

6036
03:46:12,000 --> 03:46:14,319
mobilize now or they're mobilized later.

6037
03:46:14,319 --> 03:46:18,720
So there's probably $20,000

6038
03:46:18,720 --> 03:46:21,120
that could be saved potentially.

6039
03:46:21,120 --> 03:46:23,920
>> What about re the asphalt too?

6040
03:46:23,920 --> 03:46:27,439
>> But yeah, then some asphalt about only

6041
03:46:27,439 --> 03:46:29,680
200 ft.

6042
03:46:29,680 --> 03:46:33,199
That would be about another 10 or 20.

6043
03:46:33,199 --> 03:46:36,399
I'd say 40 grand.

6044
03:46:36,399 --> 03:46:38,160
>> And we really don't know if it's going

6045
03:46:38,160 --> 03:46:40,640
to be six or nine months or the way

6046
03:46:40,640 --> 03:46:43,120
things work in the world nowadays.

6047
03:46:43,120 --> 03:46:45,279
two years.

6048
03:46:45,279 --> 03:46:48,000
>> Well, we know it's been 22 years, right?

6049
03:46:48,000 --> 03:46:50,000
It was 2004 on the agreement sign. It's

6050
03:46:50,000 --> 03:46:52,800
been 22 years. So,

6051
03:46:52,800 --> 03:46:55,199
>> but I would really worry against the

6052
03:46:55,199 --> 03:46:56,880
assumption about what's going to connect

6053
03:46:56,880 --> 03:47:00,399
on in the east area because that's

6054
03:47:00,399 --> 03:47:02,239
within one or two years there's going to

6055
03:47:02,239 --> 03:47:03,840
be a capacity issue. There's going to be

6056
03:47:03,840 --> 03:47:12,630
se

6057
03:47:12,640 --> 03:47:15,279
What's your recommendation?

6058
03:47:15,279 --> 03:47:19,269
>> Um,

6059
03:47:19,279 --> 03:47:23,189
I

6060
03:47:23,199 --> 03:47:27,279
do it. I guess I feel I feel confident

6061
03:47:27,279 --> 03:47:30,399
that there's funding. Well, I guess my

6062
03:47:30,399 --> 03:47:31,760
recommendation is you're going to get

6063
03:47:31,760 --> 03:47:33,680
$1.5 million. What are you going to do

6064
03:47:33,680 --> 03:47:37,279
with it? If this is the priority, I put

6065
03:47:37,279 --> 03:47:40,880
it into this. I confident that that's a

6066
03:47:40,880 --> 03:47:44,000
month away, two months away maybe being

6067
03:47:44,000 --> 03:47:45,680
100% and then what are you going to do

6068
03:47:45,680 --> 03:47:47,680
with it then

6069
03:47:47,680 --> 03:47:49,760
>> if we had $1.5 million I would agree

6070
03:47:49,760 --> 03:47:52,160
with you we don't have that well because

6071
03:47:52,160 --> 03:47:53,760
if and the federal government has shown

6072
03:47:53,760 --> 03:47:55,439
over and over that they don't pass

6073
03:47:55,439 --> 03:47:58,000
budgets and then they cut things and

6074
03:47:58,000 --> 03:48:00,160
they go back and forth on what's private

6075
03:48:00,160 --> 03:48:01,760
land and public land I mean we see this

6076
03:48:01,760 --> 03:48:03,199
change especially what this

6077
03:48:03,199 --> 03:48:04,640
administration things can change back

6078
03:48:04,640 --> 03:48:07,199
and forth every day and so I think that

6079
03:48:07,199 --> 03:48:09,680
it's important that I don't know. I'm

6080
03:48:09,680 --> 03:48:11,920
not I will I I would confidently say to

6081
03:48:11,920 --> 03:48:13,359
you that if you were a citizen of Brown

6082
03:48:13,359 --> 03:48:14,640
would not reach into your pocket on

6083
03:48:14,640 --> 03:48:18,319
something that I couldn't guarantee.

6084
03:48:18,319 --> 03:48:20,160
>> So I guess the question is you're

6085
03:48:20,160 --> 03:48:21,920
thinking this is a project we don't ever

6086
03:48:21,920 --> 03:48:23,760
do because we have discussed this as a

6087
03:48:23,760 --> 03:48:24,800
city council.

6088
03:48:24,800 --> 03:48:26,880
>> I think that's probably extreme. I think

6089
03:48:26,880 --> 03:48:29,120
that it is something that we should do

6090
03:48:29,120 --> 03:48:30,800
when we have the money to do things. I

6091
03:48:30,800 --> 03:48:33,840
think that it's uh very reasonable thing

6092
03:48:33,840 --> 03:48:35,600
to say that we will do the things we can

6093
03:48:35,600 --> 03:48:37,279
do when we have the money to do them and

6094
03:48:37,279 --> 03:48:39,680
we'll try to economic opportunity for us

6095
03:48:39,680 --> 03:48:41,359
to grow and be able to afford to do more

6096
03:48:41,359 --> 03:48:42,560
things as a city,

6097
03:48:42,560 --> 03:48:44,560
>> but this was planned as part of the

6098
03:48:44,560 --> 03:48:46,560
budget later,

6099
03:48:46,560 --> 03:48:48,479
right? It's not you're asking for money

6100
03:48:48,479 --> 03:48:49,439
sooner.

6101
03:48:49,439 --> 03:48:51,600
>> I was asking, do you have $300,000 in

6102
03:48:51,600 --> 03:48:54,560
project budget? I mean, it would take it

6103
03:48:54,560 --> 03:48:56,319
from somewhere else, but is there money

6104
03:48:56,319 --> 03:48:58,160
in there to do it?

6105
03:48:58,160 --> 03:49:01,199
>> So, they took they took um fund balance

6106
03:49:01,199 --> 03:49:04,239
and moved money over. So, she said there

6107
03:49:04,239 --> 03:49:07,359
is money that we can use

6108
03:49:07,359 --> 03:49:09,040
Then when we got that money, then we

6109
03:49:09,040 --> 03:49:10,479
would just put that back into the

6110
03:49:10,479 --> 03:49:14,160
capital projects fund

6111
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:16,640
or or we can wait and like you said till

6112
03:49:16,640 --> 03:49:19,760
we have the guaranteed money. I And then

6113
03:49:19,760 --> 03:49:21,120
another thing we probably should be

6114
03:49:21,120 --> 03:49:22,960
doing legally in the meantime then is we

6115
03:49:22,960 --> 03:49:24,239
probably need to get some legal

6116
03:49:24,239 --> 03:49:27,120
documents drawn up with West Haven and

6117
03:49:27,120 --> 03:49:30,880
see if they are willing to even let us.

6118
03:49:30,880 --> 03:49:32,640
I suspect them being good neighbors,

6119
03:49:32,640 --> 03:49:34,399
they'll say yes, but how much time are

6120
03:49:34,399 --> 03:49:36,960
they going to give us? two years, three

6121
03:49:36,960 --> 03:49:39,279
years. But we do know if we do any

6122
03:49:39,279 --> 03:49:41,920
growth at all in East or any, this has

6123
03:49:41,920 --> 03:49:44,080
to be done first. So this is just a

6124
03:49:44,080 --> 03:49:45,359
matter of do we want to do it before

6125
03:49:45,359 --> 03:49:47,040
they pave the road or we pave the road

6126
03:49:47,040 --> 03:49:48,960
and then hit the road.

6127
03:49:48,960 --> 03:49:51,680
>> And if we got in, maybe it's an option

6128
03:49:51,680 --> 03:49:53,040
for us to have development agreement

6129
03:49:53,040 --> 03:49:54,479
with somebody who's doing the growth to

6130
03:49:54,479 --> 03:50:01,670
say help us fix this.

6131
03:50:01,680 --> 03:50:03,760
» Well, with that, does someone want to

6132
03:50:03,760 --> 03:50:05,840
make a motion then? There's a motion on

6133
03:50:05,840 --> 03:50:10,720
to approve the partial funding for the

6134
03:50:10,720 --> 03:50:12,880
sewer force main portion included in the

6135
03:50:12,880 --> 03:50:16,800
5100 West project.

6136
03:50:16,800 --> 03:50:20,640
I'll make a motion to table um the 5100

6137
03:50:20,640 --> 03:50:22,479
West sewer

6138
03:50:22,479 --> 03:50:24,960
project pending

6139
03:50:24,960 --> 03:50:27,760
um more information on the $1.5 million

6140
03:50:27,760 --> 03:50:30,319
grant.

6141
03:50:30,319 --> 03:50:35,600
>> So just a clarification then that you just need to not vote this because

6142
03:50:35,600 --> 03:50:38,319
they have to know by August 15th and we

6143
03:50:38,319 --> 03:50:40,399
probably won't know by August 15th.

6144
03:50:40,399 --> 03:50:42,640
>> Okay, I'll change my motion. I'll make a

6145
03:50:42,640 --> 03:50:47,439
motion to deny um funding the 388,000

6146
03:50:47,439 --> 03:50:49,520
for 51 project.

6147
03:50:49,520 --> 03:50:51,199
>> Okay, the motion was made by council

6148
03:50:51,199 --> 03:50:53,040
member Hill. Is there a second?

6149
03:50:53,040 --> 03:50:54,160
>> I'll second it.

6150
03:50:54,160 --> 03:50:56,080
>> Count second was made by council member

6151
03:50:56,080 --> 03:50:58,160
Powers. All in favor?

6152
03:50:58,160 --> 03:50:59,040
>> I

6153
03:50:59,040 --> 03:51:01,840
>> Any opposed?

6154
03:51:01,840 --> 03:51:03,840
Did everybody vote?

6155
03:51:03,840 --> 03:51:07,840
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Then we

6156
03:51:07,840 --> 03:51:09,600
will let S and Parsons know and they'll

6157
03:51:09,600 --> 03:51:11,199
just go ahead and complete their

6158
03:51:11,199 --> 03:51:14,960
project. Um the last thing then we do

6159
03:51:14,960 --> 03:51:16,800
not need to have a possible closed door

6160
03:51:16,800 --> 03:51:18,720
meeting. We had some things that we have

6161
03:51:18,720 --> 03:51:21,120
not received yet. So we won't be doing

6162
03:51:21,120 --> 03:51:23,040
that. And so then the last thing would

6163
03:51:23,040 --> 03:51:26,630
be just a motion to adjourn.

6164
03:51:26,640 --> 03:51:28,800
Can I ask one more question to Taylor

6165
03:51:28,800 --> 03:51:32,319
about can we go back and

6166
03:51:32,319 --> 03:51:37,120
talk about that uh those pumps you said

6167
03:51:37,120 --> 03:51:39,359
that uh if we go with this issue

6168
03:51:39,359 --> 03:51:42,720
>> you want to just recall the issue again

6169
03:51:42,720 --> 03:51:45,840
it up even though

6170
03:51:45,840 --> 03:51:49,680
>> okay so we are going to recall an issue

6171
03:51:49,680 --> 03:51:53,680
that was tabled as far as the HVAC

6172
03:51:53,680 --> 03:51:56,960
system for our sewer stations. Do I need

6173
03:51:56,960 --> 03:51:58,720
to have a motion to do that?

6174
03:51:58,720 --> 03:51:59,520
>> No.

6175
03:51:59,520 --> 03:52:00,640
>> Okay.

6176
03:52:00,640 --> 03:52:03,680
>> So, you made the comment uh these guys

6177
03:52:03,680 --> 03:52:05,840
will guarantee

6178
03:52:05,840 --> 03:52:08,399
uh so if a pump goes out, they're going

6179
03:52:08,399 --> 03:52:12,239
to replace it. A $20,000 pump.

6180
03:52:12,239 --> 03:52:14,000
Um

6181
03:52:14,000 --> 03:52:16,880
guarantees a weird word to say, I think,

6182
03:52:16,880 --> 03:52:20,080
but they do hold liability

6183
03:52:20,080 --> 03:52:22,640
for

6184
03:52:22,640 --> 03:52:25,199
If their design is not adequate, it's

6185
03:52:25,199 --> 03:52:26,000
pretty hard.

6186
03:52:26,000 --> 03:52:29,040
>> So you can't you can't prove that that

6187
03:52:29,040 --> 03:52:30,880
it wasn't adequate.

6188
03:52:30,880 --> 03:52:32,960
>> It's going to be pretty hard to do.

6189
03:52:32,960 --> 03:52:36,479
>> So basically, it's really no guarantee.

6190
03:52:36,479 --> 03:52:39,120
Um

6191
03:52:39,120 --> 03:52:41,040
guarantee it's not

6192
03:52:41,040 --> 03:52:42,640
>> okay.

6193
03:52:42,640 --> 03:52:46,000
stamp on it isility

6194
03:52:46,000 --> 03:52:49,120
and there becomes loss of life or

6195
03:52:49,120 --> 03:52:51,359
property damage and maybe that's when

6196
03:52:51,359 --> 03:52:54,560
you get lawsuits in place.

6197
03:52:54,560 --> 03:52:58,800
>> So really it's okay to be a lawuit.

6198
03:52:58,800 --> 03:53:01,680
>> So if I understand maybe

6199
03:53:01,680 --> 03:53:04,319
so if they stamp this and say according

6200
03:53:04,319 --> 03:53:06,479
to our standards you need to have x

6201
03:53:06,479 --> 03:53:09,359
amount of units to keep this cool then

6202
03:53:09,359 --> 03:53:11,600
we put in that amount and it's not

6203
03:53:11,600 --> 03:53:14,080
enough and one of our pump overheats

6204
03:53:14,080 --> 03:53:16,160
causes damage which causes that pump to

6205
03:53:16,160 --> 03:53:19,040
fail. We have sewer damage in residents,

6206
03:53:19,040 --> 03:53:21,840
they would be liable if we if we did it

6207
03:53:21,840 --> 03:53:23,359
just like they told us to do and we

6208
03:53:23,359 --> 03:53:25,840
still had pumps that overheated.

6209
03:53:25,840 --> 03:53:27,359
They would be liable. There could be

6210
03:53:27,359 --> 03:53:28,720
other things that certainly could make a

6211
03:53:28,720 --> 03:53:30,319
pump fail. But if it was due to

6212
03:53:30,319 --> 03:53:32,239
overheating, due to lack of air

6213
03:53:32,239 --> 03:53:34,640
conditioning, that's I would think was

6214
03:53:34,640 --> 03:53:36,800
where they would their liability would

6215
03:53:36,800 --> 03:53:40,560
lie. They still take long to go battle

6216
03:53:40,560 --> 03:53:43,359
because they follow processes that are

6217
03:53:43,359 --> 03:53:44,239
standard.

6218
03:53:44,239 --> 03:53:46,880
>> Well, and they're they're dealing with

6219
03:53:46,880 --> 03:53:49,120
really used pumps, too. So, I'm not sure

6220
03:53:49,120 --> 03:53:50,720
how much they're going to want to back

6221
03:53:50,720 --> 03:53:52,080
those suckers that are already got

6222
03:53:52,080 --> 03:53:53,279
issues.

6223
03:53:53,279 --> 03:53:55,359
>> So, bottom line is there's really no

6224
03:53:55,359 --> 03:53:57,600
guarantee. But, okay, that answered my

6225
03:53:57,600 --> 03:53:59,520
question. Thank you.

6226
03:53:59,520 --> 03:54:01,840
>> Okay. Now, is there a motion to adjurnn?

6227
03:54:01,840 --> 03:54:04,960
>> Do we need a motion to retro?

6228
03:54:04,960 --> 03:54:07,120
Okay. I move be

6229
03:54:07,120 --> 03:54:09,199
>> okay. Motion rest made by council member

6230
03:54:09,199 --> 03:54:10,239
Craig. Is there a second?

6231
03:54:10,239 --> 03:54:11,359
>> Second.

6232
03:54:11,359 --> 03:54:13,199
made by council member Hancock.

6233
03:54:13,199 --> 03:54:14,800
All in favor?

6234
03:54:14,800 --> 03:54:17,520
>> Okay. Thank you. Meeting adjourned

6235
03:54:17,520 --> 03:54:20,520
recording.