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Okay, we want to welcome you to our city

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council work meeting. It is August the

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20th. The first thing we're going to

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talk about is our Herford Tomato Days

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community dinner. So, I kind of went

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through and wrote, you know, made this

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sheet that we could maybe make some

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notes on it. Um, if there's Oh, I didn't

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push that over. Sorry.

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Far enough. So, I went through the food

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that we had talked about that I thought

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if we could just

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maybe write down who we think, you know,

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wants to be over that. I just put I

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wasn't sure. So, if I put your name and

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you don't want to do that, that doesn't

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necessarily mean that you have to. So,

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but anyway, so um first off the bat,

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we're doing those pulled pork sandwiches

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and Chad Funk said they will they will

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purchase the meat from Costco. they will

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get all that smoked like they did last

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year. So as far as the meat, we don't

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need to worry about that at all.

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>> So the buns and I think Dale you had

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mentioned one. So you're getting

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>> through Bimbo bakeries. Yep. They will

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donate [clears throat]

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all the all that kind of stuff.

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>> Okay. So I'm just going to because I I

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put Dale because I didn't know. So we'll

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just plan on Dell. Okay. Do you

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» Bimbo Bakeries

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» huge warehouse?

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So, do you need help picking those up or

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you'll just pick them up?

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>> Yep, I'll pick them up.

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>> Okay. So, um I thought if you're okay

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with this, I would just buy the other

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food because then I could use the Sam's

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Club card so we wouldn't have to worry

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about anybody paying for it. And so, I

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wrote down like, well, you'll see. Um,

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are you still okay D with corn?

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>> Corn will be okay.

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>> So, we talked about, but I didn't know.

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You tell me what you think about if we

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had 750 cobs, maybe cut some of them in

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half because you know sometimes

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>> we did last year, didn't we?

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>> We did. That's what I cut them in half.

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>> So, do you think that's too many then?

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750.

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>> How much we have left over last year?

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>> You know, I don't remember. We

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>> not very much.

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>> I don't think there was a whole lot.

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>> Like a half.

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>> Yeah, I know. It was took us a long time

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to husk it out and break like five.

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>> Whatever. Yeah. Was that what you

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brought last year?

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>> Gosh, I don't remember. I'd have to look

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on the receipt, but that probably about

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that.

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>> I couldn't remember last week.

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>> And Brian, you'll be in charge of the

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corn.

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>> Uh, not this year

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>> because Monday the 31st does not work

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for me.

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>> Oh, no.

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>> And I just saw that today and I'm like,

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who decided on Monday?

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>> That's when we did it last year was the

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Monday before instead of the Friday.

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>> Wasn't it Saturday?

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when we did it on the f we used to do it

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on Friday and then it ended up being a

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real conflict with like sporting event.

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Yeah. With with football.

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>> I thought we switched to Saturday.

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>> No, it we had it on it was on Monday.

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>> I know we did because we had a conflict

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on Friday and we switched it to Saturday

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>> a couple years ago.

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>> It could have been since I've been doing

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tomato days quite a few years. We did it

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on Friday, but I know last year it was

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on Monday.

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>> It would have been nice to have a

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discussion about the date, but

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>> I actually show it

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>> on Monday,

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>> August 25th.

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>> Yeah. And I think and I remember the

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very first time we switched it to

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Friday, we thought because it used to be

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on Saturday and then they would have the

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concert

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>> after and it made it a little bit

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difficult. Well, well, okay. Years ago,

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they did the dinner and then they did

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the movie. on Friday.

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>> And that was on on Friday.

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>> Friday.

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>> Yeah. So, it's been a little bit, but

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then last year, so

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>> I mean, I'll do my best, but I I had no

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idea it was going to be next Monday.

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>> Yeah, it's a panic. It's that soon.

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>> okay. So, cut the cobs in half. That's

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what we need to fill in.

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>> We can do that, right?

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>> We got to shuck it. We got to cut them.

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We got to cook it. We got to get all the

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pans. We got to get the burners. We got

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to Well, the do all

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>> so we can we can have those. I think the

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city workers will bring down the city,

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>> the burners. It's people though um

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getting it hust

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» and knives.

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>> You just break.

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>> A lot of them you can break.

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>> Yeah, you can.

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>> We can get Lizzy board.

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>> How many people do you think you need,

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Ryan? And we could just say each of us

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bring so many.

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>> We had about eight last year I think

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probably because we had several several

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city employees came and helped

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>> I'd say 8 to 10

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>> I don't have nothing that day I can be

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there all day

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>> planning commission people came and

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helped

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>> my wife I'm sure she would come and help

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>> she'll cover it for you I'll do the best

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I can I promise I'll try and

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>> I know I know you will

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>> it would just be nice to know

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>> well I think we just

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>> the week before

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>> yeah just went by the same schedule as

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last year because we felt like we had a

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better turnout.

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>> Okay. Well, that beable that we're going

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to do that next year while we're here

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right now just a month ahead.

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>> It it really did work out really pretty

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good because there was nothing else and

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we called it the family dinner night and

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then we had that dance and

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>> so how many people do each of us need to

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bring in?

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>> What if we each just if you could we

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could each bring two and we could also

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ask planning commission what what time

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of the day did you meet down there to

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start doing it?

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like 2:00.

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>> I think it was like 1 or two.

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>> So, do you want to say

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>> What time does dinner start?

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>> It start dinner starts at 6.

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>> Yeah, because it don't take long to cook

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it. We cook.

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>> Why don't we start? Yeah. I don't know.

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>> I'd rather be rather be ahead.

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>> what kind of problem do we run into

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freshness wise with the corn if we

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started in the morning when it's a lot

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cooler? Or is that bad for you guys? I I know it is for you.

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>> I know. Well, afternoon is going to be

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better for me because I can probably

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>> work the morning till 1 and then be off

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at one.

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» We did it under We did it last year.

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>> That big tree. We did it under

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>> If we throw it in water, it'll it'll be

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okay. Cool water.

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>> And then just How long do we need to

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cook it?

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>> Hour. Well, everybody's got their

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thought, but you know, mine's you bring

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water to boil, cook it for six minutes,

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and you're done.

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>> it cooks fast.

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>> Yeah, I know. Last year we got a problem

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and then just tossed it in and it went

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quickly.

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>> We had in fact um

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>> planning commissioner was timing it for

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us. We had four members from the

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planning commission last year helping

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>> We could start cooking it at five and

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have enough go.

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>> Okay. Okay. So, what time did you decide

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on then for us to be there to start?

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>> I will do like 90% sure I can be there,

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>> You know what? If it's a big deal, don't

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worry about it because we can do it.

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>> Okay. Ryan, I can remember.

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>> I can't do it without you, Ryan.

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>> It's okay.

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>> Ryan, last year did we So, we talked

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about whether to get the little

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individual butters or have butter in a

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crock pot and dip it in and we couldn't

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remember. Some thought that the little

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packs were individual little packs made

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it more [clears throat] sanitary kept

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>> Okay. So, so I'll just get the small

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butter packages.

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>> Okay. Okay. Um tomatoes still. Are you

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>> You want to be able to pull through on

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tomatoes? At least from what we've

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grown. I I don't know where we're going

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to find tomatoes this year.

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>> We'll find tomatoes. It's going to be

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difficult.

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>> Kent, we got them from Kent one year.

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>> Okay. Do you want me to ask Kent? We

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have an with them.

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>> Do you remember at all how many we did?

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I didn't know like a bush. I

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>> a bushel would be enough. I think

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>> was it just a half a bushel?

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>> Could have been.

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>> Was it a full bush?

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>> I bet we can put an order in like with

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Cedar Crest Farms or Venus or somebody.

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>> Uh probably not. Cedar Crest. I'm not

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sure.

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>> I'll talk to

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>> Peterson. Talk to

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>> Oh, yeah. I Peterson too. Yeah. Oh, K

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there's local from

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>> I'm going to do you down.

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>> Okay, I'll find I'll How many you want?

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Half bushel tomatoes. Is that what we're

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>> So Ray's there for tomatoes.

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>> I don't know.

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>> Half bushel is not that many. Let's do a

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full bushel.

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>> Okay, do a bushel and then I think last

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year Aaron and her mom sliced them, but

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I I don't know that we can count on

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that. I mean, we can ask her because

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Aaron's helping this year with tomato.

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>> Did you use a slicer one time?

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>> I've done it every year, but last year.

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>> Every year, right? the tomatoes with a

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electric slicer.

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>> That's a manual

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>> or manual.

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>> It works good once you get the process

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going.

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>> Do you want me to ask Aaron if she could

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do help with that or do you

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>> get somebody to do it?

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>> Absolutely.

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Do it.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Many hands make light work.

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>> Okay.

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>> So, you're going to ask Kent or do you

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want me to call him?

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>> Ray said he

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>> I'll find the

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Okay. So, then we talked about somewhat

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>> pink

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They don't work in the slicer if they're

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>> It's really really good. [clears throat]

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>> Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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>> I'll figure out

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>> pinkish.

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>> Are you still over slicing?

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>> No.

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>> That's going right to

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her.

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>> Kids, I'd say I'll get the tomatoes.

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Just won't tell you where.

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>> You'd have a hard time stealing them

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this year, Larry. They're not in here.

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>> Okay. Then we talked about large

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pickles. They said last year they just

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had barbecue sauce that was in the

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bottles that people just put it on it.

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if they wanted it. Loft House is

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donating the cookies. We have to pick

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those up the Tuesday before the um Julie

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Lloyd is donating the water. The tables

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will already be down there, but then we

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just have to set up the tables. Jamie

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will have tablecloths because she orders

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those with all of them. And then I'll

321
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just go. We thought probably those um

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clamshell things again. Those were a

323
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little easier for parents to help carry.

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>> So, we'll get those. And then the

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napkin, silverware. Okay. So, in the

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past, Well, you know, I should have

327
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thought buns. This is just for the

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dinner. It's not for things.

329
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>> Yeah. Only the dinner.

330
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>> The rest of tomato days. All you want me

331
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to do is get enough just for the dinner.

332
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>> Y500.

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Is that

334
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>> Yeah. So, I put down some ideas. We've

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had help serve before. I don't know who

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you want to have help serve. We've

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sometimes, like I said, share a fire or

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family. Sometimes missionaries have

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came. And one thing that's really

340
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beneficial is we have people there to

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help carry plates because sometimes

342
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you'll have a mom come up and she has

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three kids so she's trying to carry, you

344
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know, four plates. So, do you have a

345
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preference over who we ask to come and

346
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help serve?

347
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>> I've got good connections with the

348
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missionaries. I can call them.

349
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>> Okay.

350
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>> And they might be able to even get the

351
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ones from West.

352
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They are always looking for service

353
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projects. I think I'll miss

354
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>> sheriff and fire are always

355
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>> Do you want me to ask the sheriff and

356
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fire?

357
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>> Okay. And then if we have any and if we

358
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had missionaries, they could also help

359
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carry plates.

360
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>> Yes.

361
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>> Okay. Um so then [clears throat] there

362
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has to be a donation table. So there's a

363
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popup. The city has a popup that we can

364
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use. We just need to put it up. We put a

365
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table underneath it and Jamie will get

366
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the cash box. But we need a couple of

367
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volunteers sitting there to take the

368
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money. So I don't know if any wives want

369
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to sit there take the money. If you have

370
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kids,

371
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anybody

372
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>> I can pretty I can get that covered the

373
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cash box.

374
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>> Okay. You'll cover You'll get the

375
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volunteers to take the money.

376
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>> Yeah.

377
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>> She did.

378
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Stan's wife helped.

379
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>> Jackie. [clears throat]

380
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Okay. Hello. You let us know when you're

381
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ready.

382
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>> Sure. Yep. Thank you. Okay. And then I

383
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just put clean up even though we already

384
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know we have to clean up. But is there

385
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any other that you that I've missed on

386
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this that you can think

387
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>> I was there just to serve last year

388
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because of other obligations. So I don't

389
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even know what uh

390
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>> Can you think of anything Ryan or Dell

391
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that's done this before that I'm

392
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missing?

393
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Oh, well, I was going to say salt and

394
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pepper, but it's in the packet. We do

395
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those napkins that have the salt and

396
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pepper in the packet with the

397
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silverware.

398
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>> How many people did we have come through

399
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last year?

400
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>> So, we plan on 1500. We we they they

401
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completely ran out of the pulp pork last

402
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year.

403
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>> So, we just did the same number again.

404
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1500 unless you think we should change

405
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that. He had a little bit that had

406
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scorched in the bottom. So he said he

407
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maybe could have had, you know, like he

408
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had some in the bottom. He said, "Well,

409
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we're not serving."

410
00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:15,120
>> Yep. How far did we run out?

411
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>> Oh, we were good at the end.

412
00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,760
>> It was at the very end.

413
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>> Okay.

414
00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,839
>> I mean, I don't I don't wouldn't say we

415
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necessarily ran out. I think we just got

416
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to the end. And he said, "Well, I still

417
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could have served some of this, but it

418
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might be a little more."

419
00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,720
>> So, I do know that there was probably 30

420
00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,519
or 40 watermelons left over last year.

421
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>> I do remember water.

422
00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,880
>> Okay. All right.

423
00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,279
>> Because that was just a lot of work

424
00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:39,519
>> and it was so much leftover and we're

425
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not doing baked beans because it's hard

426
00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:44,560
and they're and the baked beans end up

427
00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:46,000
more Yeah, they're really expensive.

428
00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,680
>> They are more expensive than the pulled

429
00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:48,880
pork.

430
00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:49,440
>> So,

431
00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,040
>> even though they're good.

432
00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,240
>> Yeah, they were they were really good.

433
00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,079
>> Okay. Does this sound like good then?

434
00:13:56,079 --> 00:13:58,560
Anything? Because I told Jamie, you

435
00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:00,160
know, I make sure we went over this so

436
00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,160
they don't have to worry about it. is

437
00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,279
going to be

438
00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,440
>> so [clears throat] 1:00 and somebody

439
00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,880
will be there to tell me what to do,

440
00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,000
right?

441
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,720
>> Shut corn. Okay, I can do it.

442
00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,480
>> I'll bring there was an issue with the

443
00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,639
tomatoes last year when they sliced

444
00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:15,680
them.

445
00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:17,360
>> They didn't put them in the tubs and put

446
00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,959
them in the fridge.

447
00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:20,959
>> You know how those little tubs we have?

448
00:14:20,959 --> 00:14:21,360
>> Yeah.

449
00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,880
>> Seems like there's like six or eight of

450
00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,079
those. [snorts]

451
00:14:24,079 --> 00:14:25,920
>> We do have the tubs I think are down in

452
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,560
the rodeo.

453
00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,680
>> They just need to make sure they slice

454
00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,920
them and get them in the fridge like

455
00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,480
>> pronto. There are some new health

456
00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,480
department people.

457
00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,720
One of them is really really strict,

458
00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,399
which is okay, but but they they are

459
00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:42,959
really So, we just you're right. We need

460
00:14:42,959 --> 00:14:44,160
to get them right in the fridge because

461
00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,680
they actually they for the um queen

462
00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,600
contest, the junior queen, they actually

463
00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,680
brought a thermometer, stuck it in the

464
00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,320
fridge, and said our fridge wasn't cold

465
00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,279
enough.

466
00:14:57,279 --> 00:14:58,000
>> So,

467
00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,800
>> wow. It's usually [clears throat] The

468
00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,480
temperature of the pork is what they're

469
00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:03,040
worried about.

470
00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:03,760
>> Yeah. No, they

471
00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:04,720
>> the hot stuff.

472
00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,680
>> Yeah, they were checking.

473
00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,279
>> Now they're checking the cold stuff.

474
00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:09,920
>> They were checking the fridge

475
00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,389
that we set up.

476
00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,639
» So we know we did so we know next year.

477
00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:17,760
>> Yes.

478
00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,440
>> Let's keep track of it.

479
00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,040
>> Yeah.

480
00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,720
Okay. So, the next thing we were going

481
00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,680
to talk about in our work meeting, so

482
00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,519
Alan Coleman, our um ordinance officer,

483
00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:32,480
had came and said, "Some cities have an

484
00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,800
ordinance that allows us to be able to

485
00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,399
take care of some of these ordinances."

486
00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:37,920
I mentioned that to Darren and lo and

487
00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,680
behold, he had one.

488
00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,519
>> Yeah. And I'm happy to talk about it

489
00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:42,399
right now. I'm ready.

490
00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:43,040
>> Yes. Okay.

491
00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,120
>> Um so, I've been working on this with

492
00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,450
South Salt Lake. Their code

493
00:15:48,450 --> 00:15:52,240
[clears throat] was not very clear on

494
00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,759
code enforcement. It was just everywhere

495
00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:55,199
throughout the code. So when I created

496
00:15:55,199 --> 00:15:58,240
this, it was kind of put all the normal

497
00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,079
issues the cities deal with all in one

498
00:16:00,079 --> 00:16:03,759
spot. And so she asked me this question.

499
00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:06,639
I sent it and I hadn't yet looked at our

500
00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:09,199
ordinance regarding these issues. And we

501
00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:11,759
already have one. We already have a

502
00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:13,600
pretty good ordinance for code

503
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,480
enforcement. Um so our 941 is actually

504
00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,079
decent.

505
00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:22,880
So I'm wondering what he's saying are

506
00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,079
the concerns.

507
00:16:24,079 --> 00:16:26,800
>> Well, what one thing he he said is some

508
00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,839
he thought so the city had the ability

509
00:16:29,839 --> 00:16:33,680
to be able to put a lean on the prox so

510
00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,839
we I think it was last year or maybe the

511
00:16:35,839 --> 00:16:37,600
year before we kind of beefed up our fee

512
00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,440
schedule and said they would be charged

513
00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,680
per day but but then we don't really

514
00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,839
ever do that. But I thought he said

515
00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:46,720
there was some ordinances that actually

516
00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,440
the city could do an abatement and

517
00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,240
without having to like having to go to

518
00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,519
court or pay.

519
00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:53,839
>> Correct.

520
00:16:53,839 --> 00:16:55,279
>> And ours already says that

521
00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:56,720
>> ours already has we [clears throat]

522
00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,800
already have an abatement procedure.

523
00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,759
>> So if somebody is given notice that they

524
00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:04,240
have that longer than what's required

525
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,799
for a code or if they have waste that's

526
00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:08,720
being kept in their yard, we can give

527
00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,919
them notice and we can go in and

528
00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:13,600
actually abate the property and charge

529
00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,199
them for the abatement.

530
00:17:15,199 --> 00:17:17,039
>> Okay. Okay. And then at the same time,

531
00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:18,640
our code has an ability to give

532
00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,720
citations daily per the fee schedule. So

533
00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:23,760
I'm wondering

534
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,839
>> who gives those citations. It would just

535
00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:26,799
come from the office.

536
00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:29,200
>> The county it could be an enforcement

537
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,360
official. So it could be any person that

538
00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:33,039
works for the city that's designated as

539
00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:34,480
the enforcement official. I have to look

540
00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,160
at the definition for that for our code.

541
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,679
Usually it's anybody that works for the

542
00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:38,240
city.

543
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:38,480
>> Okay.

544
00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,880
>> Um but we've hired somebody from the

545
00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,600
county.

546
00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,760
>> They would be our un enforcement

547
00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,640
official that could issue citations,

548
00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:49,200
>> okay,

549
00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,080
>> for all of these things that are in his

550
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,919
code. So, I maybe I need to talk to him

551
00:17:55,919 --> 00:17:57,840
and see what his concern is and what's

552
00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:58,240
lacking.

553
00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,840
>> I'll send you I'll send you his

554
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,000
information, his email and his phone

555
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,840
number and that would probably be good

556
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,280
because he maybe has he he is really and

557
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,880
he's he's wants to come to one of our

558
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,200
meetings, but six o'clock he doesn't

559
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,200
want to come. if if we could do it

560
00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,039
earlier in the day, he would sooner

561
00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:17,120
because it's, you know, he's off work.

562
00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:18,559
I'll tell you though, he is doing a

563
00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:20,559
great job. One thing that he's doing

564
00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:22,960
differently that Iris did as he will

565
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,640
actually meet with the people and they

566
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,880
will come in, we sit down and meet like

567
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,280
there's that um property, you probably

568
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,720
all know which one I'm referring to,

569
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,120
that's up closer to, you know, Emma

570
00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,760
Russell. And so they came in and and we

571
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,840
actually he said, you know, this is a

572
00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,720
guideline. Um, waste management has got

573
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,960
given a dumpster and she's already

574
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,280
filled it twice and has dumped it twice

575
00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,600
and waste management is paying for that.

576
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,039
But he does that. He sets up

577
00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:51,360
appointments and they come in and meet

578
00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,840
and then you know I it seems to be going

579
00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,440
better because then there's a little bit

580
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,760
of accountability on the people's part

581
00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,160
and it's been really good. He also has

582
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,679
some though that he has gone to meet

583
00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:03,520
with they won't answer the door, won't

584
00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,240
answer his letters and then that's what

585
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,720
he said now what do I do? So these are

586
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,720
based off citizens complaints.

587
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,480
>> Citizens complaints.

588
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,919
>> So they won't respond. But then he

589
00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:15,919
hasn't issued him a citation.

590
00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:18,080
>> Well, he hasn't because he didn't I

591
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,080
don't think he realized that he had that

592
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:20,960
ability to

593
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,799
>> Well, our code enforcement official

594
00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,520
should be very much aware of our code

595
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,200
because that's what they're enforcing.

596
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:27,600
>> Okay.

597
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,160
>> Um so yeah, I'll have to meet with him.

598
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,919
>> Okay. if there's specific things that

599
00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:34,080
he's saying like, "Oh, I wish we had

600
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,360
because that code that I've provided

601
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:37,039
with South Salt Lake has a lot of

602
00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:38,559
different tools and I mean we could add

603
00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:41,200
them in here." Um, but we this is pretty

604
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:41,600
good.

605
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,480
>> You think ours is a good enough

606
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,919
>> unless there's issues we're dealing with

607
00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:46,799
that are different. Like if we're

608
00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:48,000
dealing with just weeds, if we're

609
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,400
dealing with waste in people's property,

610
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,160
if if there's something more complicated

611
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,919
than that, then let me know and we can

612
00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:55,600
make changes here. But I think that this

613
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,840
is pretty this is sufficient. A code

614
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,280
enforcement officer should come in with

615
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,240
this and have

616
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,280
ample tools to get work done in code

617
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,080
enforcement.

618
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,799
>> Well, he's he's extremely organized. He

619
00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:10,400
said when he took over, maybe I've

620
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,679
already told you this, he was handed

621
00:20:11,679 --> 00:20:15,039
this files and said, "Here you go." And

622
00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:17,200
he said, "I don't work like that." So

623
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,280
when he comes, they're all organized,

624
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,080
all alphabetical. He has pictures. He

625
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,200
He's really good.

626
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:23,919
>> Who is it?

627
00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:27,280
>> Um his name is Alan Coleman. And

628
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,400
contract with him with Weber County

629
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,240
>> and he's he's doing a great job.

630
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,600
>> So, he's the county guy.

631
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,840
>> He's the county. But but we also have

632
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,520
other ones that I don't know if they

633
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,840
necessarily fall within this because we

634
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,159
have we've had quite a few complaints

635
00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:44,240
about semis being parked on the side of

636
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,080
the road.

637
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,280
>> I was just going to say, is there a

638
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,679
parking um code fall under this code as

639
00:20:51,679 --> 00:20:52,240
well?

640
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,600
>> There might be except parking

641
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,200
>> this is for this chapter. Um, but I'll

642
00:20:59,200 --> 00:20:59,520
look at

643
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,880
>> because we do have a parking ordinance

644
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,640
that we just talked about two or three

645
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,640
years ago

646
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,600
um that was

647
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,520
created to make some teeth for the

648
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,760
sheriff's department basically.

649
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,240
>> And it's it's based on a complaint thing

650
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,720
too. Somebody has to complain in order

651
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,440
>> for it to be

652
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,640
>> I'll have to look at that. I didn't know

653
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,240
that that was specific issue but I can

654
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,200
look at that.

655
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,559
>> Especially in the winter time

656
00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:25,840
>> I mean it is like so cities will usually

657
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,240
section that says

658
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,080
enforcement officials can enforce any

659
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,400
violation of our code total and this is

660
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,960
more specific which isn't terrible but

661
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,200
it's more specific about the common

662
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,240
problems the cities have so I can look

663
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,039
into that further

664
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:44,640
>> okay well I will I'll give you his

665
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,799
information because he made it sound

666
00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:49,520
because I think they do are I think he's

667
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:50,960
pretty aware of ours but I don't think

668
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,360
he felt like or maybe he was asking me

669
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,520
too who is the one that does that I I

670
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,880
don't know if he thought he was one that

671
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,039
is supposed to be doing that or if that

672
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:00,960
was somebody that we're supposed to in

673
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,799
the city and I I didn't know who that

674
00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,480
person would be that could actually

675
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,679
issue tickets.

676
00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:07,919
>> So he's 9 to5 with Weaver County Monday

677
00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:08,880
through Friday.

678
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,480
>> And when does he do ours?

679
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,159
>> Um no we contract he he's out here

680
00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:15,760
during the day. I don't think he is 9

681
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,159
to5.

682
00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:18,400
>> He just responds on violations.

683
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,080
>> So we count

684
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,600
>> for anybody who contract

685
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,000
>> for anybody who is the county guy I

686
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,440
think. So, I'm just trying to think if

687
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,960
he's full time with Wever County, how

688
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,559
does he have time to do our stuff?

689
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,200
>> Yeah, he he comes here quite often.

690
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,799
>> I think he just comes here when he has a

691
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,400
complaint. I don't think we have a lot

692
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,120
of complaints,

693
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,880
>> but is he on their dime at the same

694
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,919
time?

695
00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:39,140
>> Not sure how he gets paid.

696
00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:39,760
[clears throat and cough]

697
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:40,480
>> I don't know that.

698
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,840
>> And that might fall under law

699
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,440
enforcement, too. That's possible.

700
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,280
>> Yeah. And law enforcement usually covers

701
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,720
parking issues

702
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,840
>> as well. So, was that how it was?

703
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,440
>> That's what it's been in the past.

704
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,559
>> Well, and Ryan, we we could even And we don't see in our budget where we're

705
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:58,880
paying him. So we don't know where we

706
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,880
don't know where it's lumped in with if

707
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,039
it's something else with Weaver County.

708
00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,630
>> Mess it up.

709
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,159
» I mean it has to be

710
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:09,520
>> it has to be something with the

711
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600
sheriff's contract. I mean it has to be

712
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,360
lumped in with some of our Weaver County

713
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,600
services is what I'm saying. It's not a

714
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,919
separate contract I don't believe with

715
00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:19,520
him. I think it's in with some of our

716
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,039
Weber County

717
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,039
>> and that's probably why he can come.

718
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:23,520
Okay.

719
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,200
>> But is there any other concerns code

720
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,039
enforcement wise that's on the agenda?

721
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,159
Is there anything else that

722
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:32,480
there's an issue?

723
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,720
>> I think our code is pretty good.

724
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,640
>> Yeah, I read through that one there and

725
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,559
holy smokes. If everybody started

726
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:40,320
complaining about everything in that

727
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,440
code, uh, he couldn't do it in a nineto

728
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,159
five.

729
00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:46,159
>> And it's it's more giving tools and

730
00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:48,400
options for a code enforcement officer.

731
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:48,960
>> Okay.

732
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,559
>> I'm excited that we actually have a code

733
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:53,200
that you think is good.

734
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,840
How often you see noise ordinances for

735
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,240
noise violation?

736
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,200
>> Do we not have one?

737
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,559
>> I don't think we have one.

738
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,520
>> I see that.

739
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,600
>> We have some some complaints currently

740
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,120
relating to that

741
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:13,461
>> noise as far as what kind of noise

742
00:24:13,461 --> 00:24:13,760
[clears throat]

743
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,320
>> huh?

744
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,120
>> Traps.

745
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,120
>> Oh, like engine brakes or something?

746
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,320
Because we we have one

747
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,000
>> cow's moving. We've had a component.

748
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,640
>> We We have one if someone's have, you

749
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,960
know, having a party going on.

750
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,640
>> Yeah. And that's and that's worked.

751
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,120
>> We have We have some occasionally loud

752
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,840
music in my area in my house that you

753
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,520
can hear from

754
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,960
>> in your house.

755
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,440
>> In the area around my house,

756
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,320
>> I didn't know if that's where it

757
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,029
originated.

758
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,440
» Are they next to a farm?

759
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,000
>> It's a commercial property. He has a

760
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,039
park.

761
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:52,400
a parking facility starting trucks early

762
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,799
in the morning. Okay. So, I was just

763
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:57,919
looking at how that code or not from

764
00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:02,470
land use. I think they can do it, but

765
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,720
» Okay. Well, that's good. I'll get

766
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,080
>> That's a good question. How would we

767
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,159
enforce that

768
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:12,070
on that law?

769
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,000
» Is there any city council reports?

770
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,840
Anybody had anything? Well, I don't have

771
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,360
anything that's a report, but is

772
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,640
everybody getting these complaints that

773
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,320
we're not paying attention to?

774
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,919
>> Hey, let's not We don't need to bring

775
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:25,919
that up here. I would I would advise you

776
00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:28,080
that we don't need to bring that up.

777
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,840
>> So, do we do we put it on

778
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,000
>> I mean,

779
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,647
you just don't want me to answer.

780
00:25:36,647 --> 00:25:38,240
[laughter]

781
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,440
So, you know what I'm So, you're

782
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,520
familiar with what we're talking about,

783
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,240
but it it keeps coming up and we're not

784
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,320
>> I have addressed it in this meeting

785
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,799
already. I've addressed it. We put it on

786
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,120
the agenda once and we addressed it. If

787
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,799
it's something that you want to discuss,

788
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:54,159
you can put it on the agenda and you

789
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:55,840
have an avenue to put it on the agenda.

790
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,600
It's not on there now. So, I would

791
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,572
advise that we don't talk about it.

792
00:25:59,572 --> 00:26:01,120
[clears throat]

793
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,000
>> Okay.

794
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,840
So, on our next meeting, not the

795
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,159
work meeting. We didn't get this put in

796
00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:12,320
the packet. So, I didn't know. Darren, I

797
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,320
was going to ask you if we can still

798
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,240
discuss it and we can pass this out.

799
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,880
This was that transportation impact fee,

800
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,880
but because we didn't get it put in the

801
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,559
packet, do we need to wait and do that

802
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,440
at another meeting or can we pass this

803
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,279
out now? I didn't know.

804
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,640
>> Um I mean, I prefer that if we have

805
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,760
anything that's going to open up for

806
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,960
discussion

807
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,640
>> that it gets put on the agenda.

808
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,360
>> It's on the agenda. It's on the regular

809
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,600
meeting agenda. This year just didn't

810
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,440
get put in the packet. So, can we just

811
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,559
give this

812
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,240
>> It just needs to be um provided if it's

813
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,000
being provided here. So, just have

814
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,520
provided

815
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,640
in the minutes.

816
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,640
>> Is it a way that we could put it up on

817
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,360
the screen?

818
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,320
>> It was It was just a

819
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,080
>> Okay. Yeah, then we'll just put it up.

820
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,919
Okay. We'll let everybody just take one

821
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:05,840
now then because um Anyway. Okay.

822
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,960
So, if no one has any city council

823
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,320
reports, we have the Terara Strada and

824
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,520
AWA here with us and they're going to

825
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,360
have some time that we can sit around

826
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,200
the table and discuss

827
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,200
>> fill in.

828
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,200
I walked in the other room.

829
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,520
>> I saw the popcorn and I thought, "What

830
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,880
the heck?" You know,

831
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,679
>> sometimes we get popcorn to eat and it's

832
00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:33,919
really good.

833
00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:35,919
I was I grabbed a couple of things.

834
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:37,919
>> Staff makes great popcorn. There should

835
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:39,039
be some cups in there.

836
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,279
>> I hope I don't get

837
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:42,880
you.

838
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:58,230
>> Nunch.

839
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,480
Well, we'll just turn the time over to

840
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,440
you to kind of walk us through this. And

841
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,640
this is a time for council to ask any

842
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,520
questions. And this will come before the

843
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,320
council in a few weeks. It'll be on the

844
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,360
next planning commission meeting. And so

845
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,880
we thought it would be a good idea. They

846
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,880
sat down for about an hour with planning

847
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,159
commission. I thought that was really

848
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:22,240
beneficial because then it was more of a

849
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,840
chance to be able to ask questions,

850
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,880
discuss things, and

851
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,360
Before Troy starts, I just maybe say

852
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,320
something. You know, we're This is We

853
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,480
know this is new for the city. We've

854
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,159
been at it for a while, so we know it's

855
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:37,679
new.

856
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:39,840
Haven't had a retail store like this in

857
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,600
the city.

858
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,360
And so,

859
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,080
your staff's been really good. It's an

860
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,919
effort in your new

861
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:52,799
trying to redo development, make sure we

862
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,240
do it right. And so,

863
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,360
has been great through a lot and we're

864
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,399
kind of creating a will together.

865
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:06,789
I'm just saying

866
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,520
Detroit talks about it a little bit, but

867
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,000
it's really fortunate we have a probably

868
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,840
more of these type of things in the

869
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,640
state than any other engineering and

870
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:26,310
he's worked for a couple.

871
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,440
Anyway, [clears throat] I just want to

872
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,159
thank let's get going here and those

873
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:34,080
been a it's been quite a process. So,

874
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:34,720
thank you.

875
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,279
>> Okay,

876
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,360
>> we I thought it would be helpful just to

877
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,880
kind of start at the beginning of the

878
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,640
story and answer some of the questions

879
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,159
about why are we even doing this? So, I

880
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:48,080
started with the general plan future

881
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,320
land use element and just as just I

882
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,520
think everybody's familiar with the

883
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,679
general plan. The planning commission's

884
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:57,840
been working that over in every meeting

885
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,960
is [clears throat] what does the general

886
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,039
plan say and that that's just the read

887
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,120
off document for them. So, here's the

888
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,559
general plan and the property in

889
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,880
question shown in the red box and this

890
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,360
is what it says today. Now, today

891
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,120
there's a red portion and that's

892
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,440
commercial out front and so that use is

893
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,760
listed there. And in the back it's

894
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,960
purple which up there refers to 3/4 acre

895
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,760
lots. And so that is if we wanted to

896
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,080
move forward with a reszone, we wouldn't

897
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,320
have to do a general plan amendment. But

898
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,320
if for this particular project, there's

899
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,399
interest in a general plan amendment.

900
00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:33,279
And what that really does is says we

901
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,600
want to expand the commercial a little

902
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,520
further back from what was previously

903
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,960
pictured and then add some highdensity

904
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,520
residential in the back piece. And the

905
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,080
interesting

906
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,000
>> careful with the high this is

907
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,399
>> I'm using I'm using [clears throat]

908
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:50,559
Yeah, it's true. I'm just using their

909
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:53,760
words and I'm using it from their code.

910
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,880
That way I'm not talking a different and I'll clarify when we say highdensity

911
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,039
residential what we mean. There's a

912
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:02,399
portion of that that would be covered

913
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:06,240
under the R3 zone which would be

914
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,480
third acre lots essentially or 13,000

915
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,960
square foot minimums and then we would

916
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,760
have the PUD portion of the zone that

917
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,320
currently exists in the city and then we

918
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,799
are looking to use the patio portion of

919
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,279
the zone as well. So, one of the

920
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,679
challenges with the general plan is it

921
00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:28,000
doesn't look to utilize existing zoning

922
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,320
code within the city. So, what we're part of what we're trying to

923
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,000
do is just ask for the ability to amend

924
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,760
the general plan to [clears throat] be

925
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,480
able to set up the future land use with

926
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,760
the uses that the city currently has.

927
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,640
Okay. So, that's that's the general plan

928
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,799
amendment part. Why is there a general

929
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,880
plan amendment? Because we want the

930
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,720
future land use element to reflect what

931
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,880
the next part is, which would be the

932
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,679
change.

933
00:31:57,679 --> 00:31:59,600
>> So, talking about the greater I will

934
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,640
just for a second.

935
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,360
>> I was going to do that next. So, you're

936
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,960
>> uh we were we were here a while ago, but

937
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,279
there's another landowner in the area

938
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,919
that's not part of the the estate that

939
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:17,519
we're buying, and she indicated she

940
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,399
wanted to sell her seven or eight acres.

941
00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:22,320
She's always been kind of hesitant to do

942
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,480
it. We didn't want to do that, but she

943
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,399
indicated she would like to do that. So,

944
00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:28,880
we have actually included that in this

945
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,480
process. So, we didn't anticipate it or

946
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,559
we didn't know how exactly we would use

947
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,159
it. [clears throat] Uh you're going to

948
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:37,760
see on a plan that we're trying to

949
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,760
extend our commercial over there as we

950
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,120
talk I think in meetings like this. It

951
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,399
really makes the the retail

952
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:49,200
better and more valuable. Meaning that

953
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,640
when you bring a power center is a

954
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,240
bigger center and it has more

955
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,080
each each store does better just because

956
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,120
there's more volume to it and so it's

957
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,600
better if the size just a touch bigger.

958
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,159
So we've actually put some pad retail

959
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:11,039
out there but we uh we had some

960
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,159
in order to in order to move that retail

961
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,240
really to the west probably We're

962
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,039
looking for

963
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:23,519
I don't know whether Cal Ranch you got up the street. I don't think

964
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,919
they'll come. We don't know if we can

965
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:30,720
get a real another mid box anchor to go

966
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,159
to the side of Smith. But last time we

967
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:35,440
were here I think with Stephen some of

968
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,960
the planning commission members there

969
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,360
was a thought that it would probably

970
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,840
preferable if we can get it done. So,

971
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,399
we've allowed the green to be what we're

972
00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:45,679
referring to as a mixed [clears throat]

973
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:49,919
use for a period of time, and we would

974
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:51,519
during this period of time go out and

975
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,720
try to find a user for that area. If we

976
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,240
couldn't, we probably use it as

977
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,840
residential, but so it it can float back

978
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,600
and forth between uh retail and

979
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,720
residential, and we just haven't had

980
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,800
time to find out if there's a demand for

981
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,520
it. So, that's the reason

982
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:11,919
use.

983
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:15,040
>> So these two colors and uses don't

984
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,119
currently currently exist in the general

985
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,599
plan. So that's what we're proposing to

986
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,639
add. And then these colors are

987
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,599
correspond. And the mixed uses it could

988
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:27,280
be residential, it could be commercial

989
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,560
depending on if we can get the

990
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,040
commercial to fill that out or it will

991
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,359
be residential. And again, maybe the

992
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:35,599
response from the city council is we

993
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,280
don't want that.

994
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,599
>> That's the direction we're looking for.

995
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,440
We're just give us that feedback. Okay.

996
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,280
Uh then next, so this would be and uh

997
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,800
Darren can correct me if I'm wrong, but

998
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,440
general plans are typically amended by

999
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,240
resolution. Is that right? Good enough.

1000
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:57,200
So what you'll see first

1001
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,880
item on your agenda planning commission

1002
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,040
would see similar plan for the planning

1003
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,440
commission be recommend amending the

1004
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,000
general plan to what we're asking for

1005
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,240
and that would be to then they would

1006
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:09,920
forward a recommendation to approve the

1007
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,079
resolution and then the first item on

1008
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,160
the agenda would be for the city council

1009
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,960
to consider approving the resolution to

1010
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,960
amend the general plan. That's just step

1011
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,280
one

1012
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,200
>> and they can approve it as approved.

1013
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,960
>> Yeah. And if you if the direction from

1014
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,040
the city council is we don't want to

1015
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,160
amend the general plan to this then we

1016
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,079
know what we need to know. You don't

1017
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:33,599
want to go forward with the next step

1018
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,400
which would be the reason and that's the

1019
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,240
next step.

1020
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,040
So in the reszone I've got some names up

1021
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,880
here that are a little bit different and

1022
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,440
that and I'll explain why that is but

1023
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,680
what we're proposing for our site plan

1024
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,440
is to have the R3 around the outside.

1025
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,320
Now, these folks up here, they're asking

1026
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880
for their property be reszoned, but they

1027
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,839
don't want to be part of the

1028
00:35:57,839 --> 00:35:59,599
development. So, I just stuck a

1029
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,280
culde-sac in there to say, "Here's what

1030
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,839
it could develop." They've come back and

1031
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:06,160
said, "Please take that off. We don't

1032
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,520
want to have a culde-sac on that

1033
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,680
property." So, when I when we come back

1034
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,240
the next time, you won't see that. Just

1035
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,280
want to be

1036
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,079
>> So, they want it reszoned, but they

1037
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,880
don't want to culde us out. So, what are

1038
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,040
they going to do then? They they are

1039
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,400
requesting access from 47 up for their

1040
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,040
property

1041
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,359
>> to for that road to go straight through.

1042
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:29,920
>> No, it would just if they might have

1043
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,079
like two halfacre lots or something

1044
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:33,599
right here and their driveways would

1045
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,880
just come out to 4700. No road at all.

1046
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,880
So this little stub street, we're just

1047
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,960
going to have a knuckle like the one

1048
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,800
over here.

1049
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,480
And that way the road can just turn a

1050
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,320
corner and come down here. No stub. Now,

1051
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,280
we know that Hooker Water has a piece of

1052
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,599
land up here and they're developing a

1053
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,079
well there and they're asking for access

1054
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,000
and we need a place to discharge when

1055
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,920
our when we pump the waste from our

1056
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,520
well, we need a storm drain line to go

1057
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,599
into and so forth. We haven't met with

1058
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:05,760
them yet because there's really no sense

1059
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,400
talking to them about having a stub road

1060
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,880
or even getting water service until we

1061
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,560
know that there's interest in amending

1062
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,079
the general plan and then taking the

1063
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,480
next step of the ordinance, which would

1064
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,880
be res.

1065
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,079
Okay. So, step two on if if I'm

1066
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,760
visualizing the agenda, item B probably

1067
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,640
would be for the planning commission to

1068
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,680
consider uh make filing a recommendation

1069
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,079
to the city council to reszone the

1070
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,280
property. And that's after they've now

1071
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,880
there's going to be huge discussion. I

1072
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,400
get that the public hearing and so

1073
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,920
forth, but when they're making their

1074
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,520
motions, they would then they make a

1075
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,079
recommendation the general plan, then

1076
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,720
the next motion could be to make a

1077
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,280
recommendation to resz on the property

1078
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,440
and then that forwards that to you as

1079
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,116
well. Then the third item, they

1080
00:37:58,116 --> 00:37:59,680
[clears throat] kind of need to all be

1081
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,800
together because they run together, is

1082
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,839
the recommendation to approve the master

1083
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:07,200
development agreement if it's the

1084
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,200
planning commission. And then here it

1085
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,880
would be the recommendation to approve

1086
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,400
the master development agreement with

1087
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,880
the city council. And the three, like I

1088
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,240
say, they kind of run together like I

1089
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,320
don't want to approve the like one of

1090
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,000
you may feel I don't want to vote to

1091
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,680
approve the master development agreement

1092
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000
as it's currently written.

1093
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,599
That's the kind of the purpose of the

1094
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,280
feedback, the public hearing and so

1095
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,839
forth is we need direction. Now, at the

1096
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:36,960
city council level, if if the majority

1097
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,520
do not find that they would like to

1098
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,839
approve, we would ask perhaps

1099
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:44,880
tableabling rather than denying in the

1100
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,960
interest of understanding what the

1101
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,920
concerns are. We would like the sign to

1102
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,240
be shorter. We want the fences to be

1103
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,560
tall. We want the landscape buffer to be

1104
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,160
wider. all these details in this

1105
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,640
development agreement which we're really

1106
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,040
proposing because the current code lacks

1107
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,160
the detail to manage a development on

1108
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,040
the part of the staff. And so what we're

1109
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,720
trying to get into the master

1110
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,280
development agreement is a code with

1111
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,119
more detail than the current code

1112
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,240
provides that enables this project to be

1113
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,400
able to be developed and come back

1114
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,200
>> the city.

1115
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,560
>> Yeah. Well, sure. and and that would be

1116
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,079
>> and gives direction.

1117
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,640
>> Yeah. So that we're not just it's not

1118
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,520
the wild west. We've got guidelines and

1119
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,200
design standards and all that kind of

1120
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,760
stuff. Okay. And so we would have the

1121
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,520
red that you saw previously in the

1122
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,359
general plan. We'd still be asking for

1123
00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:44,640
that with with more particularly a zone

1124
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,680
to the C2 community zone that again

1125
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,480
already exists in your code. The flex

1126
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,320
mixed use space which we talked about

1127
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,960
here. showing a portion in residential

1128
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,800
and then there's a little bit of the

1129
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,320
commercial that goes back there. But if

1130
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,720
a bigger user came in that would just

1131
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,000
expand further.

1132
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,400
>> You guys be agreeable to the primary

1133
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,200
design being commercial since that's the

1134
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,119
goal and then we could have

1135
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,359
>> we could we could we could change this

1136
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:13,760
concept or I think it's called a design

1137
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,119
whatever it's called in the development

1138
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,440
agreement that is basically the concept

1139
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,760
plan we're going to agree to. If you'd

1140
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,359
prefer that to be shown in commercial,

1141
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:26,160
we can show it. I don't think that's

1142
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,320
the goal.

1143
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,280
That

1144
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:29,839
>> commercial.

1145
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:31,280
>> That's the direction we're looking for

1146
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,440
because I'm looking at the council, too,

1147
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,280
making sure there's shaking hands. So,

1148
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,480
>> sorry, didn't mean to interrupt, but I

1149
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,880
know at that last planning commission

1150
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,720
meeting, there was a resident that spoke

1151
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,640
with you after that. Her the west side

1152
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,589
where it now shows a survey

1153
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,160
commercial right up next to her.

1154
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,853
>> Can you point to our house

1155
00:41:00,863 --> 00:41:02,560
[clears throat]

1156
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,710
right there?

1157
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:11,359
» She might give me her name or this one.

1158
00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:16,000
>> She's not her name.

1159
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,839
>> She's from Nottingham, England. tell you

1160
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:19,760
that I don't remember her name.

1161
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,520
>> So, so I think they would be fine if

1162
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,359
maybe there was some more commercial,

1163
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:26,800
but they she does not want her backyard.

1164
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,240
>> She doesn't want commercial in her

1165
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:28,640
backyard.

1166
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,839
>> So, I got I got Whitney Lynch.

1167
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:32,720
>> No, I'm sorry.

1168
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,400
>> No, it's further.

1169
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,480
>> Is it the marker?

1170
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,640
>> Kristen Marker, Wayne and Tracy

1171
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Woodward.

1172
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:40,560
>> Woodward.

1173
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,520
>> Okay. So, let me show you Troy.

1174
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,040
There's there's a stuff road and there's

1175
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,119
culde-sac coming in or around.

1176
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:50,560
>> Oh, okay. And they're on the culac

1177
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,839
>> and they're and they're on the

1178
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:53,920
culde-sac. Okay. Okay. They're on the

1179
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,440
not the culde-sac. The the knob.

1180
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,520
>> So, she was she was pretty clear. If

1181
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,800
there's residential in the backyard, I'm okay.

1182
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,319
>> I'm bringing out all my pitchforks.

1183
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:08,319
If it's commercial, then the pitchforks

1184
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:10,720
are coming out. So, that that's just one

1185
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:11,680
person's vote.

1186
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,119
>> Commercial isn't going to extend that

1187
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:14,560
far no matter what.

1188
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,800
>> Yeah, I don't think so.

1189
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,720
I'm showing on the corner lot in the

1190
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,400
blue if you point to it Malcolm or

1191
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,040
somebody can the very corner lot that's

1192
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,440
a residential then hers that's really

1193
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,359
not how it is because it's a knuckle

1194
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:28,079
there

1195
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,319
>> but that's her lot and then the next lot

1196
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:34,230
is her city

1197
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,880
» there's a bigger open field there's a

1198
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,000
house and then a field I want to say

1199
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,160
>> so the first one

1200
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,119
>> first one

1201
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,560
>> you can see it there

1202
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,200
>> faces their house north her house

1203
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,190
>> corner house hers.

1204
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,119
» So the bottom line is that grain doesn't

1205
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:54,400
affect her anyway.

1206
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,079
>> Yeah.

1207
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,119
>> Let's move on.

1208
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:58,960
>> No, but I just wanted to express that.

1209
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,119
>> I think the idea of a residential buffer

1210
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,160
though is well taken. We thought like

1211
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,440
maybe that does maintain [clears throat]

1212
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,560
to an extent there's commercial within.

1213
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,000
>> She's one of those that has been there

1214
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,760
since the very first meeting we ever

1215
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,720
had.

1216
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:17,520
>> So she's very involved. So Uh we'll do whatever you want. You've got

1217
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,000
to deal with the uh with the neighbors.

1218
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,079
Okay. We'll we'll move ahead. So that's

1219
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,560
kind of your call and we'll do it.

1220
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,119
>> So that's

1221
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:26,480
>> But it looks like you still would have

1222
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,470
some room to put commercial there.

1223
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,000
» Probably just we probably just cover

1224
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,760
that green area commercial. Is that what

1225
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,119
you're saying?

1226
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:41,990
>> And then the col.

1227
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,839
» There was also talk about combining the

1228
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:46,880
green with the detention.

1229
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,880
>> Yeah, we're working on that. So, I don't

1230
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,280
know. But that that's probably

1231
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,720
>> we don't know. We're trying

1232
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,160
>> that came up last time.

1233
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,280
>> We're trying to

1234
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,560
We're bouncing a little bit here, but uh

1235
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,680
we're done at Geotech and we're right.

1236
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,119
We need to get on the

1237
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,119
>> Yeah, they're they're trying to mobilize

1238
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:08,720
the drill right now

1239
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,920
>> and we're also doing a survey.

1240
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,670
I don't know.

1241
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,720
Well,

1242
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:17,520
>> so

1243
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,720
>> pretty flat.

1244
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:20,720
>> Is there an estimate of how many people

1245
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:22,960
this will bring in

1246
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,470
>> as far as

1247
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,280
this this density currently is about 115

1248
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,119
a month?

1249
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:32,800
>> 115.

1250
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,000
>> Sorry. 115.

1251
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,440
>> Yeah. What do they figure?

1252
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,560
>> So it's going to be less than a

1253
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,760
thousand.

1254
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,920
>> Yeah. The average household in Utah is

1255
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,079
under four. because I I know there's a

1256
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,160
lot of people that I've talked to that

1257
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,079
want more green space, but if you go

1258
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,359
into our general plan, it says per

1259
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:56,240
thousand people uh six uh

1260
00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:02,309
was it six acres? Uh or not six acres.

1261
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:02,880
So

1262
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,359
>> anyway, with the green space and with

1263
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:08,160
that detention pond would be more than

1264
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,720
what we have throughout Hooper already.

1265
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,640
So uh

1266
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,200
>> you know so so we've got this just under

1267
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,520
an acre, 40,000 square ft.

1268
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,599
>> And then there is this detention pond

1269
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:21,520
area over here, but we're not far enough

1270
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,440
along to know even how big the detention

1271
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,079
pond needs to be. Usually it's about

1272
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,880
4,000 cubic feet per acre on commercial

1273
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,440
development and we've got 24ish acres of

1274
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,920
commercial currently shown. So it's a

1275
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,079
pretty good sized detention

1276
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:39,599
that we've got to get.

1277
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,160
>> So if you do three per home, it's 300.

1278
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,359
If you do four per

1279
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:49,680
>> Yeah. So uh and so we would like to try

1280
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,480
to move the detention pond further

1281
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,440
north, but we have you can't get water

1282
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,960
to run the field unless you put a pump

1283
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,560
on it. [clears throat] So we're trying

1284
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,160
We're looking at grades. We don't know

1285
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,079
where to put the detention on until we

1286
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,240
get those grades. So, we like to move as

1287
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:07,599
far north as we can.

1288
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,839
>> So, for the locals that are familiar,

1289
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:12,560
there's a corn plant right here. And

1290
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,720
when I went over there last Thursday,

1291
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,200
there was about two maybe three inches

1292
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,040
of water. It was irrigated even though

1293
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,720
the corn's well past corn. Um, but that

1294
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,280
water was clear over here in the up. So,

1295
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,440
that says to me, I'm just from beauty.

1296
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Uh that ground's pretty flat.

1297
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,640
>> It's very flat. [laughter]

1298
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,960
>> Yeah. And what's interesting is there's

1299
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,160
a massive BM along this side in order to

1300
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,079
get the water high enough to be able to

1301
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:44,480
get around the property and keep it so

1302
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,839
that it slopes so it can be flood

1303
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:50,150
irrigated. Obviously

1304
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,000
pioneers to obviously be able to flood

1305
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,760
irrigate. And there's going to have to

1306
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,319
be some grading done here to be able to

1307
00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:57,280
get this thing.

1308
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,000
>> How deep would the retention pond be?

1309
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,079
It would I would recommend that it not

1310
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:04,079
be closer than 3 ft to the groundwater

1311
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:05,440
elevation because we don't want it to

1312
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,359
grow cattails

1313
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:09,520
and that's a challenge in a lot of areas

1314
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,960
out here. So that's part of the geotech

1315
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,560
report. It's going to tell me how deep

1316
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,480
the groundwater table is so we can start

1317
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:16,800
working.

1318
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,160
>> It's not going to be very accurate this

1319
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,680
year though unfortunately.

1320
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,599
>> No. And that's the other reason for the

1321
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,119
three-foot recommendation is it does

1322
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,440
allow for some variation. U the other

1323
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,960
question we need to look at Troy told

1324
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,640
you this is we I like landings if we can

1325
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,390
ever get them in

1326
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,270
» the ground

1327
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,119
» I don't know if there's anywhere

1328
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,520
>> the probably this ditch over here the

1329
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,599
problem is

1330
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,440
>> if yeah if the ditch backs up and again

1331
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,960
this is detail that I haven't had a

1332
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,480
chance to learn

1333
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,079
But if the ditch backs up then obviously

1334
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:57,680
it's backing up the land drain. Yeah,

1335
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,119
you can put flappers on them and all

1336
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,119
that kind of stuff but

1337
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:06,390
>> good because they they don't

1338
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,079
» so that's detail that we could

1339
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:11,203
potentially look at. We just aren't

1340
00:48:11,203 --> 00:48:11,680
[clears throat]

1341
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,440
>> I think the next step just to visualize

1342
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,680
further trade details will then come at

1343
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,480
a plat approval.

1344
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,160
>> We've done we spent a lot of money in

1345
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,359
the last two months

1346
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:24,480
>> but you guys the council council needs

1347
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,079
to get the look and the feel and the

1348
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:27,839
aesthetics and the parking requirements

1349
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:30,880
and the density down the zoning specific

1350
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,720
items and then engineering down at level

1351
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:35,839
again.

1352
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:38,559
>> So, so what we're basically saying is if

1353
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,880
there's interest in the reszone then we

1354
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,480
move to the master development agreement

1355
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,920
which is going to provide that design

1356
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,160
guide document and establish a lot of

1357
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,760
the parameters associated with how the

1358
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,240
project [snorts] will develop. Then

1359
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,960
we've got a commitment if those things

1360
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,640
are approved so that Stuart can work

1361
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,520
with other people to move forward with

1362
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,440
the project. And they have they they're

1363
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,200
like, "Okay, it makes more sense to

1364
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,440
spend some money. Let's decide what the

1365
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,079
risks are. Troy, go do your stuff. Bring

1366
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,319
back a big list of problems and with a

1367
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:12,160
big list of solutions and how much do

1368
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,720
those solutions cost and so forth. And

1369
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,359
then with that number of units, the

1370
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:19,520
commercial square footage, potential

1371
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,680
yield, and so forth, they can sit down

1372
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,599
and work out a budget and say, "Does

1373
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,200
this thing even pencil? Does it even

1374
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,040
make sense for us to move forward?" And

1375
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,240
that's where there's some hesitancy

1376
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:30,240
right now to spend a ton of money and

1377
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,599
answer all these questions because they

1378
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:36,354
don't know if it can hesitate

1379
00:49:36,354 --> 00:49:38,319
[clears throat]

1380
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:40,720
engineer have any I'm not engineer, the

1381
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:44,559
attorney have any comments, whatever.

1382
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:48,079
You've set the steps as I imagined they

1383
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,240
would be and they they have to be.

1384
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:51,520
>> Yeah.

1385
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,319
>> I think we're there

1386
00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:54,319
>> and there's been a lot of why are we

1387
00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:56,880
even doing this? I I know and I know the

1388
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,800
citizenry are are further removed and I mean no disrespect at all. I just

1389
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,280
wanted to go through the process and try

1390
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,319
to very simply explain why are we even

1391
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:10,319
doing this because I know you know

1392
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:12,480
Darren's very clear. looks to me like

1393
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,079
based on the future land you sell under

1394
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,599
the general plan, you need to amend the

1395
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:17,200
general plan. And I say, "Yep, that's

1396
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,200
what anybody else would require."

1397
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,760
>> So, it's not foreign to me, but it's

1398
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,839
just foreign to a lot of folks because

1399
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:28,640
it's some people have said, "Well, we've allowed a a a more dense

1400
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,160
development to be approved and we

1401
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,000
haven't amended the general plan." Well,

1402
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,160
you have good legal counsel now. Maybe

1403
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,839
you didn't have that before. I don't I

1404
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:38,000
don't know how that happened before,

1405
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,440
>> but anyway, enough. So, so here's what

1406
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,280
we're asking for the highdensity

1407
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,800
residential. You can see I put in

1408
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,559
parentheses over there what it means.

1409
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:48,880
Now, this is what again this is wording

1410
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,920
from your code. And and then I just

1411
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,359
wanted to point out the next

1412
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:55,200
>> R3 patio.

1413
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,920
>> Yeah. And so the next plan kind of gives

1414
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,079
a little bit more of that design

1415
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,680
document. Here's the R3 R3 lot. It's a

1416
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,839
13,000 foot minimum, which is what's

1417
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:08,160
required in the code. What we don't what

1418
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,640
we're asking for as a differential from

1419
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,720
the current code is instead of providing

1420
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:15,040
a 100 foot of lot frontage we would like

1421
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,119
we're asking for to be able to provide

1422
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:21,359
85 and so it's a little bit narrower lot

1423
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:24,160
than we would typically see

1424
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:24,800
garage

1425
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,640
>> but there's yeah with 85 there's still

1426
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,200
enough room for a three garage [cough]

1427
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,599
then the next step down there's been

1428
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,119
some that have said well hey I thought

1429
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,119
this was going to be patio homes so I

1430
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,440
said okay if it is patio homes homes.

1431
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,160
Here's a patio home and it has four

1432
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,920
adjoined units that are conjoined. Okay?

1433
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,400
So, it's a bigger structure, a little

1434
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,880
less maybe open space associated with

1435
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,200
it, but that's what a lot would look

1436
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,000
like if it were patio homes. Now, over

1437
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,079
here we have individual cottage lots.

1438
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:59,200
There's been some references to JDC

1439
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,040
Ranch to say, "Well, we like the little

1440
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,200
houses. They're cute. Twostory. A young

1441
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,960
family can move in there. Everybody can

1442
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,359
see what that looks like. And this just

1443
00:52:07,359 --> 00:52:09,520
kind of shows what cottage lots look

1444
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,591
like. And [cough] in the JDBC

1445
00:52:11,591 --> 00:52:14,240
[clears throat] Ranch, four units are

1446
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,480
connected to a private driveway. We're

1447
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,720
asking for six. Just some of the depth

1448
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:20,880
and narrowness of the property. We're

1449
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,160
just asking for a little bit of a

1450
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,119
difference there.

1451
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:23,760
>> Question.

1452
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:24,000
>> Yeah.

1453
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
>> What would you estimate

1454
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,240
a house on one of those house and those

1455
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,440
lots on those cottage lots would be in

1456
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,599
the current market right now?

1457
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,720
JDC's are going around five 500,000.

1458
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,160
>> If you're gonna if you're going to get

1459
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,280
first home buyer funding, it's 450.

1460
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,079
>> Okay. And that on the Nelson Homes

1461
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:45,839
website, that's where they say they

1462
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:46,400
start.

1463
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,960
>> That's why we said it at 450 is we we're

1464
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,119
trying to keep inflation. Everybody said

1465
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:52,960
they couldn't do it. We're forced to do

1466
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,480
it.

1467
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,200
>> What about emergency vehicles in an area

1468
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,599
like where you just were above there?

1469
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,800
>> Yeah. Now, the 20 foot driveway the

1470
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,599
width sufficient to get back there. The

1471
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,200
Weber County is probably going to say we

1472
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,640
need some kind of a turnaround back

1473
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,359
here. We just need to get to that level

1474
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:14,240
of detail. And again, that's more of the

1475
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,520
site plan subdivision spot where we

1476
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,680
would submit the plan. We would meet

1477
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,359
obviously with the fire marshall and

1478
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:22,559
say, "What kind of turnaround do you

1479
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,240
need?" He's going to say, "Well, I

1480
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,800
either need a 100 foot diameter cold

1481
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,240
stack, which is right here. That's what

1482
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:29,920
the fire code requires. Or I need a

1483
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,040
hammer head turn around which is 60 ft

1484
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,319
in two directions.

1485
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:36,480
>> Stay there for a minute on that.

1486
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,000
>> All right.

1487
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,680
>> We're going to erase that. That's

1488
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,440
>> I mentioned that earlier.

1489
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,400
>> Yeah.

1490
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,720
>> That's toast.

1491
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:49,200
>> I just wanted to give a reference that

1492
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,599
the the rideway around here is set at

1493
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,760
100 ft. One thing that's caused a little

1494
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,640
confusion. Our roads are 60 ft in

1495
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,960
Hooper. Yep. They are and this is

1496
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,319
showing from the back of the curb to the

1497
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:02,079
back of the curb which in Hooker is 40

1498
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,240
ft and then there's additional park

1499
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,440
strip and right or sidewalk space on

1500
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,839
either side. So the property line would

1501
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:13,520
be this red line and this darker line is

1502
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,920
the road. So I'm going to fix this

1503
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,839
because it's causing some confusion with

1504
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:20,000
folks and I just don't want people to be

1505
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,000
confused. So, so I'm going to change

1506
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,400
that 40 to a 60 and then everybody go,

1507
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,240
"Oh, yeah, that's our 60 foot standard

1508
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,599
section for residential street." And uh

1509
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,680
the only then for the town home portion

1510
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,720
of the code, it your current code allows

1511
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,200
five units to be adjoined. We're asking

1512
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,359
for six. Again, some of the narrowness

1513
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,520
of the property and so forth, it just

1514
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,480
lays out better. But if it's like, "No,

1515
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,119
I don't think six is what Hooker wants,"

1516
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,640
then we just need to know.

1517
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,200
And uh then the commercial. Hasn't been

1518
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,559
a lot of comment about the commercial,

1519
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:56,480
but I do want to point out the the

1520
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,559
elephant in the room. That's the lift

1521
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,280
station that makes all of this possible.

1522
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,839
And uh it was originally slated to be

1523
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:05,920
over here and is plumbed out here in the

1524
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,119
roadway to be right here. We originally

1525
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:10,960
were talking about could we put it back

1526
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,040
here and then we in one [clears throat]

1527
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,800
of our conversations with staff and so

1528
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,800
forth and it was well it'll be two feet

1529
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,880
deeper and you know the groundwater

1530
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,559
table and we said oh maybe we don't want

1531
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,400
to go two feet deeper in the ground. So

1532
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,680
we said what do you think right here in

1533
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,680
the parking lot and Jared Hancock was

1534
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:26,960
really cute. He says you've been around

1535
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,319
those before right? You know what they

1536
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:30,559
smell like. I said yeah I've been around

1537
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,200
those before. And uh he said maybe you

1538
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,119
don't want that in the parking lot. So,

1539
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,599
we said, "Well, what? Maybe we flip this

1540
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,680
around and and and I know that won't be

1541
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:40,880
popular with the neighbors. I'm just

1542
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,359
saying I'm me, but could we find a spot

1543
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:45,680
in the back of here to stick it? Could

1544
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,599
we find some green space right here to

1545
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,680
put it? Uh, you know, because now we're

1546
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,200
just running lines straight across the

1547
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,079
parking lot to get to it. Or maybe the

1548
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:55,680
best way to do it is still to bend and

1549
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,880
put it back here and keep it. But, so we

1550
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,040
still got to figure that out. But that's

1551
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,520
site plan. Okay. and we're going to work

1552
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,640
with staff and we're going to work with

1553
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,839
Jared and we're gonna work with the city

1554
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:07,359
engineer and we're just going to figure

1555
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:08,720
out hey where does it work and we're

1556
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:10,240
going to come in with our geotech report

1557
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,640
and say the soils are really bad. It's

1558
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,680
going to be a huge hole to dig this wet

1559
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,920
well and maybe because it's an open

1560
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,640
field we can handle that but we need to

1561
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,559
think about how we maintain needs to be

1562
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,960
in the parking lot. Yeah, it doesn't

1563
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,400
need to be in the parking lot. There's

1564
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,240
some concerns about odor, but but it's

1565
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:28,720
flexible.

1566
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:32,400
>> The ground water such

1567
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,319
>> Yeah. And I, you know, we'll have to

1568
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:35,359
figure out what we're going to do about

1569
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:37,040
odor and some of those concerns, but

1570
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,240
there's ways to mitigate.

1571
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,680
>> So, we have that station over and

1572
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,599
there's neighbors houses that are right

1573
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,839
next and I have I haven't heard that

1574
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:48,000
complaint yet, but there's odor. Maybe

1575
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,000
some others have because, you know, I've

1576
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,520
been over there quite a bit and there is

1577
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,680
there's houses that are neighbor around

1578
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,480
that. So, so I don't know. I mean, Jared

1579
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,960
certainly knows [clears throat] that

1580
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,799
>> and those are things that we can talk to

1581
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:02,480
people who live by them. We can go visit

1582
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,240
them

1583
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,359
through that again.

1584
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:07,920
>> People that build them may have that

1585
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,760
issue and they know how to build

1586
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,079
>> something. It's a problem we need to.

1587
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,960
>> I have one just below me in the park and

1588
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,559
you don't get a smell from that. You get

1589
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:18,799
more smell from the mantles than you do

1590
00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:20,240
from that.

1591
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,960
>> And the Great Salt Lake and different

1592
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,160
smell, but still

1593
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,240
>> I almost I almost said that in the last

1594
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,680
meeting, but I didn't want people to

1595
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,920
think I was just being facitious. Yeah,

1596
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,760
when the wind blows to the east, we all

1597
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,440
know what that smells like. And I mean,

1598
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,799
I love the Great Salt Lake. I've lived

1599
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:36,480
here my whole life, but it's just what

1600
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,880
it is.

1601
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,119
>> So, this is just kind of a blow up of

1602
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,680
what we wanted to present as landscaping

1603
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,040
because there's been a concern about

1604
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,920
what's the landscaping going to be. So,

1605
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,359
right now, we're just saying here's the

1606
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:51,599
different uses that are associated and

1607
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:52,480
so forth. There's [clears throat] a

1608
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,040
green space area. There was a concern

1609
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,319
mentioned at the planning commission

1610
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:59,040
meeting. We need some amenities in there

1611
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,040
and and we just need some direction like

1612
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,960
how big of an amenity do we want a

1613
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,480
pavilion and how big do we want the

1614
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,559
pavilion to be? Do we want a top lot

1615
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,079
space and how big do we want it to be?

1616
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:10,160
Do we want two slides,

1617
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,160
>> three swings and yeah and then we can

1618
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,480
work on cost and that's what we we just

1619
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,240
need to know size so that we can get to

1620
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,799
cost then we can go from there. But what

1621
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:21,280
this is just showing is street trees and

1622
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,880
so forth for the residential area.

1623
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,160
>> Bottom to that so they can see the whole

1624
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,200
thing.

1625
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,359
>> We'll get there. It's just trying to

1626
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:29,760
take it in in bites. It's hard to eat an

1627
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,319
elephant all at one time. And so here's

1628
00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:35,119
some pictures from JDC as well as some

1629
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,559
pictures of one of the planning

1630
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,720
commission members that said, "Hey, and

1631
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,799
I grew up up the street from Blake Seing

1632
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:42,880
when I was a kid and so I know his

1633
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,160
parents." And he said, "You know where

1634
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,200
mom lives?" Anyway, long story short,

1635
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,040
the the patio homes are like these and

1636
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,400
uh that that are in that neighborhood

1637
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,000
and we just wanted to show in in Darla

1638
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,720
Seing's neighborhood. That's what the

1639
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,520
yards

1640
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,079
>> square footage of one of them roughly.

1641
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,359
>> They're about 3700.

1642
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:07,280
>> They're pretty good size.

1643
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,280
>> Yeah. And uh anyway, these are from the

1644
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,359
JDC ranch. Here's a picture of what was

1645
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:13,920
at the park. Here's a top lot area from

1646
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,079
the park. Now, please keep in mind JDC

1647
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:21,440
is huge compared to our little 50 acres.

1648
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,119
And when you go over and walk 50 acres,

1649
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,040
I trust me, it's huge. Walk the whole

1650
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:25,280
thing.

1651
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,040
>> 50 when you talk about residential.

1652
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,960
>> Yeah. It's only 26 when you talk about

1653
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,720
residential. So, it's not as huge as

1654
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,119
JDC. So, scale needs to be taken into

1655
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:35,119
consideration. That's why we don't have

1656
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,200
a threeacre park. We have a oneacre

1657
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,480
because we're trying to draw

1658
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,240
>> res.

1659
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,799
So anyway, this is just what some of the

1660
00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:44,880
yards could look like in the residential

1661
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,839
housing. And this is a pretty typical

1662
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:49,760
what we were referring to as a cottage.

1663
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,319
And one thing you may missed on the as

1664
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:56,160
we talked about the general plan is if

1665
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,200
you're going to do again high density

1666
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,839
most areas

1667
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:06,079
threetory walks but out there so I worry

1668
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,720
about saying high density because

1669
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:15,109
understand

1670
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:17,599
» but the reason it fits is you usually

1671
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,880
try to the commercial So that's why

1672
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,839
general plan actually makes sense here

1673
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:26,160
because now you now you figured out

1674
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,760
where the commercial is because the

1675
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,359
general plan showed it all up and down

1676
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:32,160
the street. You locate it and then after

1677
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,920
you locate it, you can change your

1678
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,599
general plan to reflect where it's

1679
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:38,799
located. So that that's the logic behind

1680
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:40,240
it. I think everybody knows that. That's

1681
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,839
why we're here.

1682
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:44,240
>> Here's the commercial portion. And there

1683
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,920
were some comments to the planning

1684
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,920
commission. We just wanted to kind of

1685
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,079
say, okay, we fill in with some trees.

1686
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,240
These green areas, please don't be

1687
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,920
concerned about that. We're proposing

1688
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,160
those to be like shrub planters, not

1689
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,280
sod.

1690
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,520
>> We would come in with a rock mulch and

1691
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,000
have drip irrigation systems. Be pretty

1692
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,799
try to be pretty water.

1693
01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:07,599
>> Yeah. So, we're we're we're past sod and

1694
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:08,880
I just didn't want somebody think, well,

1695
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,079
they showed all that green on there.

1696
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,280
They want to do a bunch of grass.

1697
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,119
>> The landscaping will be probably similar

1698
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:15,359
to case.

1699
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:17,440
Yeah, I would say something besides a

1700
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:17,839
picture.

1701
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,920
>> It's it's rock mulch at West Point as

1702
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,119
well. So that's very similar.

1703
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:35,670
Now, one of the residents said, u

1704
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,319
So, these are cars and there was a

1705
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:39,599
concern about I don't think we want to

1706
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,040
have a big black pave parking lot, but

1707
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,920
we can if there's interest and again

1708
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,920
getting that direction. Tree diamonds.

1709
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,359
That'd be the first step we'd go and

1710
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:51,520
we'd have a 6x6 little diamond right

1711
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,480
here where we plant a tree and maybe

1712
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,000
well we don't want tree diamonds. We

1713
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,079
want landscape islands in the parking

1714
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:00,799
lot. We again we're just looking for

1715
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:04,000
direction to establish that design

1716
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,280
and that's kind of

1717
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,960
um we I did want to talk a little bit

1718
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,720
about phototrics because there's been

1719
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,280
some concerns there with lighting. This

1720
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,880
is a tical center lighting plan. And I'm

1721
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,280
not going to make it hard, I promise.

1722
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,359
What these little numbers here show is

1723
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:23,920
the number of foot candles underneath

1724
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:24,720
the canopy.

1725
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:25,760
>> That's how bright it is.

1726
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,400
>> It's the brightness. And over in this

1727
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,240
area where they overlap, you'll see

1728
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,839
there's like a 58 right there. And and

1729
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:36,000
so that's the brightest that the light

1730
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,680
would be. Now, I'm going to show you a

1731
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,280
picture of one at night and then it's

1732
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,640
going to look a lot brighter because my

1733
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,720
phone the way it picks up the lighting.

1734
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,119
But I just wanted to this out. Now, this

1735
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,440
is a fuel canopy in Bluffell. It's been

1736
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,000
constructed about two years ago. And

1737
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,040
these light poles, the mounting height

1738
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,359
is 37 1/2 ft. I'm going to show you a

1739
01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:57,920
picture of that, too. Now, the light

1740
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,480
pole itself is 35 ft tall and then it

1741
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,960
sits on a pole base that's 2 and 1/2 ft

1742
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,319
tall. Okay? So, mounting height means

1743
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:11,200
how high above their finished ground is

1744
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,200
that fixture. and it becomes really

1745
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,119
important in just a second. Now, that's

1746
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:17,440
all you need to know to be able to work

1747
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,920
with me.

1748
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,480
Now, this is taken from the separated

1749
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,480
grade interchange. My wife dropped me

1750
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,680
off and said, "I can't believe you're

1751
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,200
going to get hit by a car trying to take

1752
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,119
this picture." And it is the fuel canopy

1753
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,760
in Bluffale. And you can see how much

1754
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,480
brighter it is under the canopy than it

1755
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,280
is out here in the parking lot. and that

1756
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,079
brightness for security reasons. This we

1757
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,319
have outside sails underneath this

1758
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:48,960
canopy. You can come get a a

1759
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,319
we'll just say an energy drink because I

1760
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:52,319
don't know what they're called. But u

1761
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:54,480
you can get a rock okay Rockstar. That

1762
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,240
one came or you can get a Pepsi or

1763
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,599
whatever you want. Whatever your drink

1764
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,839
of flavor of choice is. They just have

1765
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:01,520
some different outdoor display areas

1766
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,000
where you can open a door. This is the

1767
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,920
window that you would come up to.

1768
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,359
There's a little drawer just like when

1769
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,839
you go to the old style credit union.

1770
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:11,119
They don't make them like that anymore,

1771
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,119
but you know what I mean.

1772
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,359
>> Yeah. Okay. So, we're past all that.

1773
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:17,839
There is that light pole that's 37 and

1774
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:19,839
1/2 ft tall. This canopy is only 20 ft

1775
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:21,760
tall. And so, there's been a lot of

1776
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,839
concern about, well, I don't know what

1777
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:26,240
kind of light pole to tell them to put

1778
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,240
in and so forth. And what we're

1779
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,599
suggesting and what we've been talking

1780
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,599
to Malcolm about is let's just have a

1781
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,280
light pole that's not taller than the

1782
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,000
building. And then the parking lights.

1783
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,960
If I live behind the store, then I don't

1784
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,400
have a light [clears throat] pole that's

1785
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,440
sticking way up above the height of the

1786
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,520
facility. Okay. So, I just wanted you to

1787
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,680
go see that light bulbs to the left

1788
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,520
there. They're kind of like

1789
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,680
>> Yeah, this

1790
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,760
>> you can see. Let me back up real quick.

1791
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,920
This is the street light. Now, these are

1792
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,079
a lot like yours. Yours just have a

1793
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,400
shorter arm right there. And so, that

1794
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:01,839
gives you an idea of like your own

1795
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:06,799
street lights about 19 feet tall. And so we're we're asking or we're going

1796
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:11,119
to propose 25 ft as the pole height,

1797
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:12,880
which really means the mounting height

1798
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,119
would be 27 and a half if we can do

1799
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,599
that.

1800
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:19,760
>> So just wanted to show you those

1801
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,559
>> and we have to build more.

1802
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:24,160
>> Yeah, that's the bottom line. And that's

1803
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,000
really what this is.

1804
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,680
>> Stuart's just going faster than because

1805
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,240
he wants me to get through all this. But

1806
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,640
he's like, you're boring. I'm

1807
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,960
This is This is the parking lot. for

1808
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,960
West Point. And these light poles are 44

1809
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,440
feet tall. And so they are spaced about

1810
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,880
150 to 200 ft apart. And a 25 ft

1811
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,079
mounting height means they're going to

1812
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:51,920
be closer to 100 ft, maybe 125 ft apart.

1813
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,559
So there will be more light poles, but

1814
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,839
they'll be shorter so that a person can

1815
01:05:57,839 --> 01:05:59,440
look over the top of them or that kind

1816
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:00,559
of thing. They be blocked by the

1817
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,960
building. Now on the building, there are

1818
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,400
going to be what are called small pack

1819
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,960
lights, but they're only 15 ft tall. So,

1820
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,200
they're well down on the wall to provide

1821
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,880
just the lighting around the close

1822
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,960
proximity to and I'm talking about the

1823
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,640
grocery anchor, but that's pretty

1824
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,319
consistent. This is your street light

1825
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:20,470
that I was referring to.

1826
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,640
And this is just some stuff on site

1827
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,000
lighting, but if you're comfortable with

1828
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,359
that, uh the 25 foot light pole means it

1829
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:29,039
has a 27 and a half foot mounting.

1830
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:30,640
>> This is in the development agreement. So

1831
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:31,920
you're requiring this of

1832
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,240
>> I I haven't put it in it's not in there

1833
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:35,760
yet but it will be. I I [clears throat]

1834
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,599
was looking for this kind of direction.

1835
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:39,680
>> So you're looking to put it in that's

1836
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,359
>> and and I think based on the

1837
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:43,200
conversation with Malcolm is we we would

1838
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,240
do a 22 and a half foot pole. Have the

1839
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,200
light be at 25 because the shortest part

1840
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,160
of the ger anchor is 26 feet tall. The

1841
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,680
light poles will just be a foot under

1842
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,440
the height of that. Now there's going to

1843
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,119
be popups where it goes up a little

1844
01:06:57,119 --> 01:06:58,880
taller but the shortest part of the

1845
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,990
building

1846
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,640
That's the idea. Around the perimeter,

1847
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,079
there was some concern about light

1848
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:07,760
pulling across the property line and so

1849
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,520
forth. And we had recommended possibly

1850
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,440
going a little shorter. It'll be a 20ft

1851
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:16,470
bowl on a 2 and 12t base.

1852
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,760
Here's the exterior of the building. And

1853
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,799
again, if

1854
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:26,880
you don't like what's here, tell us this

1855
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,599
was done for Eagle Mountain.

1856
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,760
They wanted a rural building, so it has

1857
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,839
a totally different.

1858
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:35,680
>> There's only two of these. One's in

1859
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,760
Gilbert, Arizona, and there's one going

1860
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,200
to be in Eagle Mountain.

1861
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,960
>> It'd be nice if we had a picture. Did

1862
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,799
they build again?

1863
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:46,240
>> No. Um, it it has a little bit different

1864
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,240
uh stone and different things on the

1865
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,839
outside. And Eagle Mountains is a little

1866
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:51,920
bit different. Eagle Mountain has a

1867
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,480
theme of the Pony Express. So, some of

1868
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:55,520
you that have been out to the West

1869
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,200
Desert have seen those structures. were

1870
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,280
built out of stones and they just wanted

1871
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,119
to have some stone that matched that

1872
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:02,880
type of architecture.

1873
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:07,829
>> Has more of a take on

1874
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:11,520
» and and we we we were told a long quite

1875
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,760
a few meetings ago that there's some

1876
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,280
interest you know would would somebody

1877
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,600
object to if we had a I don't know a

1878
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,319
wagon wheel and a hitching post and so I

1879
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:22,560
went back to Smiths and I said I think

1880
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,239
we ought to take the Gilbert Arizona

1881
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,359
plan. So that's that's what we present.

1882
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:32,000
But but you may say we don't want board

1883
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,480
white arctic white board.

1884
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:39,349
>> We're a long ways away here.

1885
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:40,480
» But this would be in the development

1886
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:41,440
agreement.

1887
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:43,199
>> So I think it's important to represent

1888
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:45,759
that if you want this, you got to tell

1889
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:47,359
us now and it's going to be in the

1890
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:48,640
development agreement. And that's step

1891
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,960
three. That's the most important part of

1892
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,640
getting this thing done. Here's what the

1893
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,640
fuel center would look like.

1894
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:55,920
And just to give you an idea of that,

1895
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,440
it's very similar. Sorry, the picture

1896
01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:59,520
was blurry. It was taken at night.

1897
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,279
>> How many pumps

1898
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:03,359
>> this would be? I gota go back to the

1899
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,560
seven. This is a 7 MPD, but let me jump

1900
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,560
back here to make sure.

1901
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,880
>> Speculate. I don't know estimate.

1902
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,480
>> I can tell you exactly.

1903
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:14,400
>> 16.

1904
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:15,600
>> So there's six.

1905
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,279
>> Not from you.

1906
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,440
>> It's there's 12 fueling stations. It's

1907
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:20,719
going to be six. [clears throat] Eight.

1908
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:23,520
Seven. It's a seven.

1909
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,520
It's the same as what's in the picture.

1910
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,640
Sorry, I just wasn't sure. So, it's

1911
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,560
going to it's going to be that's a 7

1912
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,359
MPV. There's three on this side, one in

1913
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:34,799
front of the kiosk, and there's four

1914
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:36,239
over there.

1915
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:37,759
>> This is my Smiths, by the way. It's

1916
01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:41,269
right behind me.

1917
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:42,719
» So, anyway, that's just what it looks

1918
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:43,920
like.

1919
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,040
>> Seven pumps,

1920
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,159
>> seven product dispensers, 14 fueling

1921
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:48,960
stations,

1922
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,719
>> two on

1923
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:51,759
two station.

1924
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:55,920
>> Good guess. Good. Yes. Okay. This would

1925
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,159
be uh just a proposed architecture for

1926
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:01,120
the outuildings uh on the pads. And

1927
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,880
again, what Malcolm had asked is, "Hey,

1928
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,239
can you just show us the percentage of

1929
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:05,840
the material?" So, we added those couple

1930
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,920
of notes in there to get that

1931
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,600
signage. We have a signage plan that is

1932
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,440
now in the development agreement for

1933
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:19,199
review. the proximity to the new roadway

1934
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,320
that's going to be built west corridor.

1935
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,080
This is very tall sign trying to reach

1936
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,000
out to those folks on that roadway. It's

1937
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,760
50 ft tall. [clears throat] Give you an

1938
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,040
idea of what it looked like at night or

1939
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,440
what it looked like in the daytime.

1940
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:36,310
>> That would be Can you go right back?

1941
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,360
» That would be out on the main.

1942
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,920
So it be on the entry road.

1943
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:46,080
>> It's right here currently. Now it could

1944
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,760
be over here. Um we're I don't think at

1945
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,800
this stage we're too emotionally tied up

1946
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:53,840
one of the two corners.

1947
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,400
>> Well that guest changer sign would be on

1948
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:57,920
that also or separate

1949
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,280
>> it. It would be on it up at the top

1950
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,960
where the incur logo would go

1951
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,080
out for a sign in these zones. There's

1952
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,480
going to be in the gater development. Is

1953
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,440
there an interest for a monument looking

1954
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:15,920
sign in the PV zone to name it and have

1955
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,510
it there?

1956
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:20,719
» I don't know if there's an interest, but

1957
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:22,640
if it's a requirement,

1958
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,800
>> yeah, the ones we've seen after a while,

1959
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,669
nobody cares what they're called.

1960
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:34,159
» So, the sign plan maximum 50 ft height.

1961
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,480
What would your preference be on height?

1962
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,400
That look sounds awful tall to me.

1963
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,440
>> So this would be on 55 and then over on

1964
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:45,120
47 it's a 30 foot tall sign.

1965
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,640
>> This one's Oh, this one's 50 and this

1966
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:53,910
one up to 4700.

1967
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,480
» And again, we we have to start

1968
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:58,800
somewhere. So we put that up. And that

1969
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,679
was what uh if you go to the le the new

1970
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:03,040
Smith store that was just opened in

1971
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:08,390
Lehi, these signs you could actually

1972
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,520
What's the ones in West Point? That's

1973
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,199
>> uh the ones in West Point are a little

1974
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:14,880
bit shorter. I bet they're not more than

1975
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,440
30. I can bring you the pictures of

1976
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:18,719
>> 30 or 35.

1977
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:20,080
>> That sounds more appealing to me. I

1978
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,120
would tell you that

1979
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,960
those are tall signs for sure from other

1980
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:29,990
things I've done.

1981
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:30,640
» The sign

1982
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,719
>> I understand you do want to have a good

1983
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:34,880
sign. We have a lot of tenants in this

1984
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,480
development. There's a lot of buildings

1985
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:37,840
and you do want good sign to help

1986
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,280
provide.

1987
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,880
>> Could we do a separate guess?

1988
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,679
>> What we would if if the interest would

1989
01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:45,920
be to go shorter. Let me just throw this

1990
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:46,719
shirt.

1991
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:49,040
>> The idea would be can we just take some

1992
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,880
of the space off the legs,

1993
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,040
>> but we want to because of the trying to

1994
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,480
get to a power center. We're really

1995
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:57,360
interested in for those tenants. But

1996
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,520
that's obviously a landlord dec.

1997
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,440
So maybe just pull the legs down a

1998
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:04,000
little bit.

1999
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,000
>> Yeah, the Cville Smiths and the West

2000
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,000
Point Smiths have exactly the same sign.

2001
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,679
Just the name of the shopping center is

2002
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:12,000
the only thing.

2003
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,430
>> Same.

2004
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:16,560
» Yeah,

2005
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:17,920
>> this would be a little monument sign

2006
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,040
we'd have out in front of the fuel

2007
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,960
center in addition to the two pricing

2008
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,440
signs on the top.

2009
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:26,159
And we may want something like that

2010
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:30,310
signp.

2011
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,080
» So now you've seen all the signs. Let me

2012
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,199
go back to the

2013
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,840
>> usually very probably see by any city.

2014
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,080
So I've been out to look at some Smiths.

2015
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,840
I haven't even paid no attention to the

2016
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,000
signs. Now I got to go back and look and

2017
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,800
see what they look like. [laughter]

2018
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,400
>> That just tells you how invisible they

2019
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:47,120
really are.

2020
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,120
>> Yeah, [laughter]

2021
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,239
we have 15. So let's keep going. Okay,

2022
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:54,560
that's all I really have which are the

2023
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,239
basic exhibits. We we still owe you a

2024
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:01,120
phototric plan and we owe you an outdoor

2025
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,320
storage plan. And if I can jump I'll

2026
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,360
just jump back to our site plan

2027
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,080
because I most of you that have been to

2028
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,480
a Smith store know that along the front

2029
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,480
sidewalk they just like to put

2030
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:16,880
windshield wiper fluid out there.

2031
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,800
There's a lime tree that my wife tells

2032
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,719
me I should spend $30 to buy every time

2033
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:22,000
we go there.

2034
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,520
>> A few things like that. So, there's some

2035
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,080
patio furniture and different things and so that's what they're asking for by

2036
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,800
outdoor storage. They might want to ask

2037
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,880
about can we put a tent out here and

2038
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,120
sell some fireworks or I know that's

2039
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,360
kind of a bad connotation with this year

2040
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,440
being so dry, but sometimes they want to

2041
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:42,159
have a little parking lot sale or a case

2042
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:43,199
lot sale or something

2043
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:44,880
>> when they bring their when they bring

2044
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:49,990
their

2045
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,159
and stuff like that.

2046
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:55,520
>> So, and then the parking corrals, uh, we

2047
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,520
just we could show you what those look

2048
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,679
like if you have an interest. One city

2049
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:03,440
wanted to see the picture of that. Um,

2050
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:07,199
just again, we we're looking for

2051
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:09,280
can you can you establish some like

2052
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,199
again, one question that was asked is

2053
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:12,640
how tall is the fence?

2054
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,239
>> Let's let's open it up for questions.

2055
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,239
Okay, sounds great. Like because we need

2056
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:17,600
to know how tall do you want the fence

2057
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:18,239
to be?

2058
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:20,239
>> Well,

2059
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:22,000
is there a fence?

2060
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,560
>> We have a landing separation.

2061
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,520
>> Go look at the one in Cville. It's what

2062
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,320
we've done is the taller when you get a

2063
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:31,679
fence that's too tall, you feel like

2064
01:15:31,679 --> 01:15:34,640
you're

2065
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:39,990
>> back up a few feet.

2066
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,189
I think

2067
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:45,679
» it's about four feet I guess by

2068
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:47,120
>> it's been a few years.

2069
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:48,640
>> Oh, the fence is

2070
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,669
>> the fence is six.

2071
01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:55,760
» Because Yeah. The property behind the

2072
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,080
Cisville Smiths is higher than the Smith

2073
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,239
store. And as a result of that, we were

2074
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:02,782
able to slope the ground down in front.

2075
01:16:02,782 --> 01:16:06,149
[clears throat]

2076
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,159
» What does the council want to see work

2077
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:09,760
done? It's going to come to you.

2078
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,400
>> I already have some concerns about open

2079
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,840
space. I will take that.

2080
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,520
>> Oh, I didn't talk about that and I

2081
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,760
wanted to. Can I help resolve those

2082
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:18,400
concerns?

2083
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:18,800
>> Yes.

2084
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,560
>> So, we have the park area. We've got the

2085
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,880
detention basin area. We We'd really

2086
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,440
like to just get creative on how open

2087
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:27,520
space is calculated.

2088
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,239
If the front yards of the residential

2089
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:32,000
homes could be considered in the open

2090
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,600
space,

2091
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,679
>> um that's just where we're trying to

2092
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:38,000
look at. Okay, we got to open space

2093
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,920
really isn't well maybe [snorts] it is

2094
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,120
defined under the current code. Um what

2095
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,880
we were trying to bring because the

2096
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,400
planning commission members said the

2097
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,239
same thing. Blake came to me after

2098
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,000
commissioner s I should be more

2099
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,239
respectful. Uh he came to me after he

2100
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:53,199
said, "You don't have enough open

2101
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:56,159
space." And I said, "Well, really, we

2102
01:16:56,159 --> 01:17:02,320
kind of do. We've got about 50% we're bringing you commercial instead of

2103
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,480
40% open space at your current code

2104
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:09,120
corner. So, we just were hoping that would be looked at differently.

2105
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:13,679
>> We'd like to try to do a uh again some

2106
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:16,000
type of

2107
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,800
side grading. It would be nice if we

2108
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:24,950
could combine the detention basic

2109
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,320
we're going to need some fill here to

2110
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,000
make this work.

2111
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,199
>> It's not a good word.

2112
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:32,400
>> Yeah, it's not. But we we need to get

2113
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:33,679
into that a little bit. There's a lot of

2114
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:36,239
dirt burned in different places and we

2115
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:38,159
got to figure out how much there is. So

2116
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:39,840
open space is another one. Could we

2117
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,360
count the front yards? Can we, you know,

2118
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,679
again, aggregate the two detention bases

2119
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:47,840
together? Things like that. try to get a

2120
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,080
little more creative and have it be more

2121
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,320
than say the four or 5% we shown because

2122
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,760
we only have an acre. So it's like one

2123
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,679
divided by 50 if we're going to look at

2124
01:17:57,679 --> 01:17:59,760
it that way or does the open space only

2125
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,920
apply to the residential which would

2126
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,480
then be one divided by about 25.

2127
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:06,560
>> So so I'll be on the other side of that.

2128
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,920
Uh I went and got the general plan and

2129
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,520
uh we're well over the open space that

2130
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,000
the general plan asked for right now. It

2131
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:20,800
says 12. We're at about 10.6

2132
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,520
with what you're saying people are

2133
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,840
bringing in here. Okay. We would really

2134
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,719
only need a uh and the projection of

2135
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:32,000
people in 2040

2136
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,640
uh shows that we would need a half acre

2137
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,560
of uh green space in this development to

2138
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,320
equal

2139
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:44,400
that uh six to 12. That would be on the

2140
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,840
low side. It' be at six. I mean, but uh

2141
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,239
you know, we also all these parks we

2142
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:52,880
have to maintain or open space we've got

2143
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,400
to pay people to take care of it and we

2144
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,040
are with what they've got there, we

2145
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,000
would be uh if you count the uh

2146
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,480
detention basin, then we're going to be

2147
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:07,520
just over that six. So, I'm just throw

2148
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,080
I'm just throwing this out. Is that an

2149
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,360
HOA maintained little pocket park or is

2150
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,709
that a

2151
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:17,600
HOA.

2152
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,400
>> So, so we'd have to walk through it.

2153
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,480
>> I think one thing in the same

2154
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,480
you can't the problem you got with the

2155
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,280
HOA maintain anything

2156
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:35,040
is if you have 75 acres and you have 200

2157
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,320
units of home, you can maintain open

2158
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,120
space. But when you have 20 acres of

2159
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,800
ground and you got to put that to each

2160
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,440
homeowner, they get really upset. I've

2161
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:48,800
heard them when they're paying their

2162
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:53,120
taxes and then they're also paying

2163
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,360
their own park and the park's bigger

2164
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,360
than what their project, you know, it's

2165
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,920
a bigger park. I I just hear it all the

2166
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:01,840
time. So, you got to be careful that you

2167
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,000
got to proportionately

2168
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,400
this or you're going to get people that

2169
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,040
are feeling like they're subsidizing the

2170
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:10,800
city and then eventually they come to

2171
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,760
the city and get you to take it. People

2172
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:19,510
really do not like H.

2173
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,600
» Well, I think if the retention basin is

2174
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,640
closer is like attached to the open

2175
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,159
space, that would be huge because we

2176
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:28,800
have like there's a retention base up by

2177
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,960
my house, then it makes no sense

2178
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,120
whatsoever because it's 20 ft away from

2179
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,560
the drain ditch that it would drain

2180
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,239
into. And I don't even know why we

2181
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:39,920
didn't just dump the water into the

2182
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,000
drain ditch rather than making a

2183
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,239
retention basin. That serves no purpose.

2184
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:48,159
>> Just it makes me crazy every time I

2185
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:50,000
drive by. It's like put a pipe out to

2186
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,070
the ditch.

2187
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,920
» Yeah.

2188
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,920
Just silly language.

2189
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:01,679
>> Be a lot easier to make a nice flat

2190
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:02,719
green space.

2191
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:05,520
>> I think in the same space functionality

2192
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,440
is important. I don't uh it'd be nice to

2193
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:09,120
see I don't know how you think we can

2194
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,440
make some connectivity throughout this

2195
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:12,640
make it a little more walkable

2196
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,320
potentially. I mean there'll be sidewalk

2197
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:15,360
anticipated.

2198
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:16,560
>> I can show you walkways.

2199
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:17,520
>> Yeah. I don't know if we could have a

2200
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,040
walkway some walkways. I think those

2201
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,480
could go a long ways and they wouldn't

2202
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:22,080
you know require space [clears throat]

2203
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,159
but then any amenities and that's where

2204
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:25,840
the council really direction. I don't

2205
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,280
know what that park looks like and I

2206
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:27,760
don't

2207
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,520
>> Well, that's with the green subdivision

2208
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:30,000
they have.

2209
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,440
>> I think the park could look really cool.

2210
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:35,280
we have something on the park that

2211
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:36,800
really makes it worth, you know, having

2212
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,000
the park

2213
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,400
>> and the the planning the conversation

2214
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,159
the planning commission had is they're

2215
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:44,480
like green field is nice but I think we

2216
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:46,400
need something better. And so I think

2217
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,440
you're going to hear that

2218
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:48,400
recommendation.

2219
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,239
>> You don't have the space to

2220
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,159
realistically to make it better than

2221
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:54,080
green fields because Greenfields has I

2222
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,040
don't know 100 acres of residential

2223
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,400
probably

2224
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,040
>> I could pull it up but you're not

2225
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,120
dealing with anything that So, I need to

2226
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,719
help myself. I mean, they got a fish

2227
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,400
pond and everything else that ain't

2228
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:07,679
going to fit here.

2229
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:09,040
>> What you have right there is probably

2230
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,760
nicer than what you put in.

2231
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,520
>> More questions because you only got a

2232
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,040
couple of minutes here. So, I'd like to

2233
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,800
think I've got all mine answered.

2234
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,560
>> I mean, I think we spent an hour

2235
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,080
completely in the weeds to be honest

2236
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,960
with you. There's such major questions

2237
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,719
that go with this development agreement

2238
01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:27,120
that haven't even been touched on right

2239
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,840
now that we could take the next three

2240
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,120
hours and go over this development

2241
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,880
agreement line by line and have a

2242
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,880
million questions. I mean, I'll just

2243
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,639
start with the financing. You know,

2244
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:38,560
section five of the developers agreement

2245
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,440
talks about um it says the city shall

2246
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,280
provide to the developer by means of

2247
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,760
bonding or other revenue sources funds

2248
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,360
to pay for the development of public

2249
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,360
infrastructure related to the project.

2250
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,120
So the city is responsible for the

2251
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,040
funding of this project and the develop

2252
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,280
or the infrastructure. Why is the

2253
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,679
developer not responsible for any buyin

2254
01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:59,600
whatsoever when it comes to

2255
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,199
infrastructure? Why is the city on the

2256
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:02,320
hook for all of it?

2257
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,080
>> We've changed that and

2258
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,280
>> well that's not what this says right

2259
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,600
here. I appreciate that because that's

2260
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,760
what's in your packet and had to be sent

2261
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:10,560
to you a week ago.

2262
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,920
>> I've had Cody Der review it and Rob Sam

2263
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,560
and they provided

2264
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,840
a recommendation.

2265
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,239
So like because that's been mentioned

2266
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:23,679
>> that would be a nice thing but we're

2267
01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:25,199
going to put the sewer and water in and

2268
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:26,960
finance all the improvements. So I don't

2269
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,280
know that may be in the development but

2270
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:34,000
I think that that's in there for dealing

2271
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:34,960
with the

2272
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,080
>> 5.1

2273
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,679
>> it was in there because that we were

2274
01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:39,600
looking for direction. We now have the

2275
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,080
direction and the direction is if the

2276
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,360
city's going to participate in this

2277
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:44,960
project at all it'll be by a separate

2278
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,719
agreement which will be known as a

2279
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:48,800
participation agreement or funding

2280
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,880
agreement and right now the developer

2281
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,800
would be responsible to build the

2282
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:53,679
improvements.

2283
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:56,400
>> Yeah. But but some of that you got the

2284
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,480
sewer list station and we don't know

2285
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:01,360
what oversized improvements are even in

2286
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,040
5500 and we just need to figure out what

2287
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,280
the city wants to do. as you do the CRA,

2288
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,600
what you don't want to do is restrict

2289
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:16,159
the city council from being able to uh

2290
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:19,600
do things that they want to do

2291
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,600
with what you put into the make sense.

2292
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:24,560
>> So Rob,

2293
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,800
>> you may have something you want to do

2294
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,280
that it's beyond this.

2295
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,520
>> Is this referencing uh what they call

2296
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,719
post uh post performance payment to the

2297
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:37,120
developer with the CRA? That's what Rob

2298
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,360
Sant recommended with the West Point and

2299
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,679
the Kisville

2300
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:44,000
>> could be sometime reimbursement

2301
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:44,560
participate.

2302
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,719
>> This is we worked on this. I got your

2303
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:48,400
Did you take Rob? This is Rob.

2304
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,159
>> This is the exact words we

2305
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:52,480
>> I'll ask Rob Brian. I don't know. I just

2306
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:55,280
like I had Rob and u

2307
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,080
Cody I say do section five what you're

2308
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,000
going to recommend. We're paying Rob and

2309
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,760
Cody right. We want what they recommend

2310
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,280
is I'm assuming what the council's going

2311
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,040
to do. you guys.

2312
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,600
>> So, so the project or at least

2313
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,760
>> I'm reading a version that I got before

2314
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,400
this one that I didn't so

2315
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:13,440
>> I had no idea.

2316
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:16,719
>> Has that packet gone out to everybody?

2317
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:19,040
>> This is brand new

2318
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:20,159
because we're getting that. So, thank

2319
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:20,480
you.

2320
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:22,080
>> So, so this will go to the planning

2321
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,080
commission and then from the planning

2322
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,600
commission this will come to you as a

2323
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:26,400
new agreement.

2324
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,320
>> So, there are project improvements which

2325
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,520
we will put in that's a curb gard

2326
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,400
sidewalk in front of all the homes.

2327
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:38,080
nor the road base. But then there are

2328
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,560
there then there are system or community

2329
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,040
improvements. That would be like a water

2330
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,560
tank or a sewer treatment plant. Uh

2331
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,120
typically subdivisions don't build those

2332
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,120
or they don't build sewer lift stations

2333
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,920
that benefit a large area of the city

2334
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,080
because it's not fair for those few

2335
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,960
homes to be able to take that on. So

2336
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,960
that's what is you know they'll they'll

2337
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,360
be community they'll be community assets

2338
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,480
I suppose that that probably will

2339
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,480
>> this was

2340
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:10,560
equally as agitating to the planning

2341
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,040
commission members and so we got the

2342
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,639
direction we were looking for and it's

2343
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:17,040
now been included and I apologize that

2344
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,360
we we got the information we just had to

2345
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:20,880
get this in the packet we didn't have

2346
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,600
the information yet so that's that's why

2347
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,080
you don't

2348
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,440
>> keep going more questions those are good

2349
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:29,120
ones that's a really good question Um

2350
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,639
the other thing is the um land use map.

2351
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:35,280
I mean we've had this land use map for

2352
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,120
our general plan since the beginning of

2353
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:41,760
the city 25 years. And now it seems like

2354
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,679
a developer walking in the door and

2355
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:45,520
saying we're going to add section D and

2356
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,400
section E to our land use map just

2357
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,639
specifically for our development rather

2358
01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:52,880
than following our current ordinances. I

2359
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,360
mean take for example the R3 zoning. You

2360
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,440
guys are coming in here saying, "Hey, we

2361
01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:58,960
want to change the frontage from our

2362
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,040
current ordinance of 100 feet to 85

2363
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,560
feet. We want to change the PUB from 40%

2364
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,480
open space to we're going to give you

2365
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,239
some commercial. We're going to change

2366
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:10,080
this to this. We're going to add a D and

2367
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:11,920
an E that doesn't even exist in our

2368
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,960
current land use map." I feel like the

2369
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,440
planning commission and the city council

2370
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:20,159
and the public is responsible for

2371
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:22,239
creating the general plan in the land

2372
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:24,719
use map, not the developer. The

2373
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:26,080
developer should not walk in the door

2374
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,920
and say, "We got a D and an E that's

2375
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,840
going to be put on our land use map."

2376
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,760
That's our decision.

2377
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,800
>> What was the frontage on on I I don't

2378
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:36,159
know. I'm asking [clears throat] third

2379
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:37,840
acre lots

2380
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,760
>> because we do have third acre lots. What

2381
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,400
was it? I know halfacre or 100.

2382
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,639
>> So, was third acre 100 or were they?

2383
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:45,760
>> They were both 100.

2384
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,440
>> They were both. So what we're we're

2385
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:49,440
getting is a little bit of conflicting

2386
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:53,520
direction which is happens but you went

2387
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,560
up and saw a project that which was a

2388
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,760
destination it was homestead and you

2389
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,880
said we like it to look like that and so

2390
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,440
we come back and so we're following that

2391
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:08,639
direction and everybody and there may be

2392
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:10,560
some that want it to look like that

2393
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,880
maybe others that don't we understand

2394
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,400
different opinions

2395
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:18,159
>> but So, so to respond to your thought is

2396
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:19,920
there's two reasons for the change. One

2397
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,120
is you finally located your commercial

2398
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,320
and if you're going to do patio homes

2399
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,239
and those type of things, they probably

2400
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,960
better walk next to commercial. So,

2401
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,719
we're asking for those varants. There's

2402
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:35,120
no change in the master plans and we're

2403
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:36,800
trying to match the project you've seen

2404
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,040
because you like kind of the

2405
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:40,800
>> and that's kind of a feeling a lot of us

2406
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,560
have talked about on the council is we

2407
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,800
like patio homes. You know, patio we

2408
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,360
have a patio home development over here

2409
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:48,719
um on the south side.

2410
01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:49,199
>> Fantastic.

2411
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:51,679
>> And it's been a fantastic neighborhood.

2412
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:53,440
You know, it's a 55 plus community

2413
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:57,679
granted, but it's what we feel fit for

2414
01:28:57,679 --> 01:28:59,600
our city. It was the patio homes, you

2415
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,600
know, these homes on these cottage lots.

2416
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,719
That's a whole new concept to me and a

2417
01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:06,560
lot of people. And so, it's going to

2418
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,280
take some I don't know if I'll ever be

2419
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:10,719
convinced that's the right thing to do

2420
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:14,239
above a patio lot or a patio home.

2421
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:16,400
>> But we're putting those smaller ones in

2422
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,040
to be able to get our kids and

2423
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,480
grandchildren

2424
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:24,560
>> $500,000 a piece. Well, you know, uh

2425
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,120
when I bought my uh first home for

2426
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:31,360
40,000, uh you know, 45 years ago,

2427
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:32,880
people thought that that was an

2428
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,000
outrageous price.

2429
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,679
>> That brings up another thing about the

2430
01:29:35,679 --> 01:29:38,080
rental clause. Are we are is there a

2431
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,400
rental clause that prevents rentals in

2432
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:42,159
the first 10 years of ownership?

2433
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:43,760
>> Enforcement seems to be what we're down

2434
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,920
to. Who's going to enforce that? The

2435
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,800
request was make the HOA do it, and

2436
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,480
there's been some concern about the

2437
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:53,360
HOA's ability to legally do that. But

2438
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,199
yes, there is language provided and it

2439
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:57,280
was language suggested by the city.

2440
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,600
>> So, we just need to get attorney to help

2441
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,520
us.

2442
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,880
>> Thank you. We're out of time.

2443
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,120
>> Thank you for coming.

2444
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:12,550
If you have more questions

2445
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:23,990
» all

2446
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,239
thank you for your time. Thanks for

2447
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:30,629
coming out.

2448
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:34,239
» Hey, they're working on over there 1800.

2449
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:47,270
They're working over there.

2450
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,679
That's

2451
01:30:49,679 --> 01:31:35,350
right.

2452
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:43,590
Whatever.

2453
01:31:43,600 --> 01:32:05,910
What's

2454
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:18,950
» Yes.

2455
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:30,070
Recording in progress.

2456
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:31,679
» We would like to welcome you to the

2457
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:34,000
Huffer City Council meeting. It is

2458
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,800
Thursday, August 20th. I am Sher

2459
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,239
Bingham. I'm the mayor and I will

2460
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:40,400
conducting this meeting. We are going to

2461
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:41,920
go ahead and start with the pledge of

2462
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,480
allegiance by council member Rapalto and

2463
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:46,400
then we will have a reverence by council

2464
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:50,390
member Hill.

2465
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,960
» Everyone please repeat the pledge of

2466
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,239
allegiance after

2467
01:32:56,239 --> 01:33:00,159
the flag of the United States of America

2468
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:03,520
and to the republic for which it stands.

2469
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:07,760
One nation under God, indivisible, with

2470
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:18,390
liberty and justice for all.

2471
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,000
» Father, grateful we gather together

2472
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,920
tonight as a city and as a city council.

2473
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,440
We're grateful for our community and

2474
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:24,960
where we live. We're grateful for the

2475
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,840
freedoms we enjoy. Thankful for those

2476
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,520
who serve in the armed forces and ask a

2477
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,000
blessing upon them. upon them and their

2478
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,320
families. We're grateful for the

2479
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,000
constitution of this great land we live

2480
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,560
in and ask that it will be guarded and

2481
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,199
protected and

2482
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:47,199
those who leave this country and

2483
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:49,520
communities therein that they will be

2484
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,639
wise and good stewards of

2485
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:55,120
this valuable information in this

2486
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,360
inspired document.

2487
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,840
Father for counsel and ask a blessing

2488
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,239
upon each of us that will be inspired

2489
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:03,840
and directed to say the things that are

2490
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,000
proper and

2491
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,199
be able to counsel one with another.

2492
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:13,600
Grateful for opportunity to serve and

2493
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:18,000
for that we enjoy grful

2494
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:22,149
Jesus Christ. Amen.

2495
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:24,560
» Thank you. We're going to just want to

2496
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:25,760
tell you a little bit about some

2497
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,320
upcoming events. We have our Herper

2498
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,040
Tomato Days that starts on August 31st

2499
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,520
with our community dinner and it's a

2500
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,040
dinner and a dance and there's

2501
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,840
activities for the children. All Her

2502
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,679
residents should be giving this within

2503
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:42,239
the next couple of days. Um it's the

2504
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:44,560
newsletter that comes out and it's

2505
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,480
really handy for you to have because it

2506
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:49,440
has all of the schedule tomato days is

2507
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:51,040
going to be. So, make sure you hang on

2508
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,520
to this so you know what time when those

2509
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:57,510
events are going to be.

2510
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,840
So, the next thing we have on our agenda

2511
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,159
are public comments. If you would like

2512
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:04,159
to make a public comment, please come up

2513
01:35:04,159 --> 01:35:06,639
to the microphone, state your name. You

2514
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:09,040
will have three minutes. Our city

2515
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,120
recorder Morgan will direct you when

2516
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,360
your time she gives you a one minute and

2517
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,520
then when your time is up and we would

2518
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,840
ask you if you see it come up that says

2519
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:19,360
your time is up if you would please stop

2520
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:20,880
at that time.

2521
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:22,639
>> Sorry can I make a question the three

2522
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:24,480
minute time not one minute.

2523
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:26,320
>> Oh I'm sorry I apologize. Three minute

2524
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:36,629
time.

2525
01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:39,520
» My name is tutor. Um, good evening,

2526
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:41,760
mayor and city council members. I'm here

2527
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,120
tonight speaking for our kids and the

2528
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:44,639
families who are simply asking for a

2529
01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:46,159
reasonable opportunity to practice in

2530
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:48,000
the community where they live. We

2531
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:49,600
understand the city has a responsibility

2532
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,440
to protect our parks, especially during

2533
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:53,520
drought conditions. We support

2534
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:55,199
responsible water conservation and we

2535
01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:56,800
aren't asking for limited access or

2536
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:58,400
asking the city to ignore concerns about

2537
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,480
the field. Mayor Bingham has offered one

2538
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:01,840
day per week for practice and we

2539
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:02,960
appreciate the willingness to

2540
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,719
compromise. However, one day a week is

2541
01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:06,719
not a reasonable solution for kids who

2542
01:36:06,719 --> 01:36:08,239
are still expected to play games every

2543
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:10,719
week. Football is a contact sport. These

2544
01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:12,239
kids need time to safely learn,

2545
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:13,920
tackling, blocking, conditioning, and

2546
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,679
proper technique. That is why we are

2547
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:17,120
asking for three days per week,

2548
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:18,560
approximately an hour and a half each

2549
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,239
day while rotating practice areas to

2550
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:22,000
minimize wear. We're willing to work

2551
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,440
with the city, but I also think it's

2552
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:24,800
important to acknowledge how we got

2553
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,480
here. Signs are placed throughout the

2554
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:28,320
park stating water conservation in

2555
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:30,880
effect, followed by no organized sports.

2556
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:32,080
We understand the need to conserve

2557
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:33,360
water, but residents deserve

2558
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,120
clarification on how prohibiting

2559
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,440
organized practices reduces the city's

2560
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:39,679
water usage. If the concern is field

2561
01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:41,280
wear, then let's address field wear

2562
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,520
directly. Rotating practice areas

2563
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,199
limiting time and temporary closures of

2564
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:47,440
areas that need recovery. The signs also

2565
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:49,199
state that organized athletic activities

2566
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:50,960
are prohibited. Yet to our knowledge,

2567
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:52,400
this restriction was not brought before

2568
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:53,920
the city council for public discussion

2569
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,320
or a vote. And we have been unable to

2570
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,080
locate a formally adopted ordinance

2571
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:00,239
prohibiting organized use practices in

2572
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,239
our parks. If we're mistaken, we welcome

2573
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:03,600
that clarification. But when a

2574
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,199
restriction affects as many families and

2575
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:06,400
community members, there should be

2576
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,719
transparency about the policy and how

2577
01:37:08,719 --> 01:37:10,639
that decision was made. I want to be

2578
01:37:10,639 --> 01:37:12,000
clear. I cannot control what other

2579
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,840
people say, post, or how they respond to

2580
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:15,520
this situation. But I speak for myself

2581
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,679
and the families I represent tonight.

2582
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:19,119
I'm not here to create division or

2583
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:20,880
attack you. I'm here because our kids

2584
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:22,400
need a reasonable place to practice and

2585
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:23,760
I believe we can support them while

2586
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,920
protecting our parks. The parks were

2587
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,520
created to serve the community and youth

2588
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,119
sports are part of that community. They

2589
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:30,719
bring families together, teach our kids

2590
01:37:30,719 --> 01:37:32,320
teamwork, responsibility, commitment,

2591
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,560
and perseverance. For some of our kids,

2592
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,480
having an accessible field here matters.

2593
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:37,920
Some walk or ride their bikes because

2594
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:39,840
their parents are working. Simply

2595
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,199
telling teams to go somewhere else

2596
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:43,520
doesn't mean every child can get there.

2597
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:44,960
We don't believe the city has to choose

2598
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,639
between protecting our parks, supporting

2599
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:48,560
our kids. We can do both. We're not

2600
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,080
asking you tonight to decide who was

2601
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:51,679
right or wrong and how we got here.

2602
01:37:51,679 --> 01:37:53,280
We're asking you to help decide where we

2603
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,280
go from here. Give these kids three days

2604
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,040
a week. Let us rotate our practice

2605
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:58,719
areas, give us reasonable guidelines,

2606
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:00,320
and hold us accountable for following

2607
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,480
them. If there are concerns, then let's

2608
01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:04,000
try for the remainder of the season and

2609
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,520
evaluate the condition of the field

2610
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,719
afterwards. Three days, responsible use,

2611
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:11,360
rotating areas, and accountability. We

2612
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:12,880
believe that's a reasonable compromise

2613
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:14,639
and shows these kids that when there's a

2614
01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:16,159
challenge, our community is willing to

2615
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:18,320
work together to find a solution. Thank

2616
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:26,390
you,

2617
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,679
» Bryce Wilcox residents. Uh I agree 100%

2618
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:32,800
with Paige. As far as I know, only half

2619
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,960
the city council was involved in that or

2620
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,880
I think the whole city council should

2621
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,880
have been involved in it. Um some of my

2622
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,040
fondest memories as a kid was

2623
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,119
football. There's no reason why Hooper

2624
01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:44,639
City shouldn't accommodate these

2625
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:46,560
children.

2626
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,560
It's it's it's ridiculous. The other

2627
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,159
thing I wanted to comment on, I know the

2628
01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:52,639
Terara Strata deal is a big issue right

2629
01:38:52,639 --> 01:38:55,600
now. I would just caution you that any

2630
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,400
type of creative financing is going to

2631
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:02,000
be bad for our city. Um, if you look at

2632
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,880
the uh impact study,

2633
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,800
it's going to take us several years

2634
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,400
before we make any money. And I I bet

2635
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,119
everything that the school district, the

2636
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:14,800
fire district, within a matter of a

2637
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,560
couple years, maybe five, maybe 10,

2638
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:17,440
they're going to back out because

2639
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:18,800
they're going to want the money and

2640
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,040
we're going to be left with back. So,

2641
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,600
I'm not opposed to the Smiths. Um, I'm a

2642
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,040
little concerned about the highdensity

2643
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:28,960
housing. Um, however, as a city, you

2644
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,199
guys need to protect us and our our

2645
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:33,119
money. It's it's not your money. It's

2646
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:34,560
not Stuart Evans. He's the one that made

2647
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,760
all the rules. So don't get backed up by

2648
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:41,119
him in a corner and make him call the

2649
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:42,960
shots. You guys call the shots. Do

2650
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:44,560
what's best for the city and for the

2651
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,199
citizens long term, not just short term.

2652
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:48,639
Oh, we get a Smith, we're going to get

2653
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:51,360
money. Yeah, we will, but it's going to

2654
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:52,960
take time. You just don't get it like

2655
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:56,239
that. Our our uh sheriff's fees going to

2656
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:59,360
go up. Our wages are going to, you know,

2657
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,600
our employees are going to have more

2658
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,679
time spent there in that area

2659
01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:06,000
maintaining the roads. So be wise about

2660
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,760
the development. I'm not opposed against

2661
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,159
development, but just be wise about it.

2662
01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:21,270
Um, Mary, thanks.

2663
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,440
Mayor, city council. My name is Ashley

2664
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:26,239
Long Hooper, resident, taxpayer, most

2665
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:28,080
importantly represent Westville tonight.

2666
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:31,679
A mom, a football player. Um, my son is

2667
01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:33,600
directly affected by this decision and I

2668
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:34,800
strongly disagree with these

2669
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,560
restrictions from practicing at Upper

2670
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:38,480
North Park. I understand we're in a

2671
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:40,239
drought and we need to take care of our

2672
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:42,800
parks. I personally been on the fields

2673
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,920
every day, drive by him every day. Um,

2674
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:47,360
the picture that's being painted that

2675
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:48,960
our kids are destroying them, I don't

2676
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,760
agree with. And we aren't asking for a

2677
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,119
limited asset access.

2678
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:57,440
Uh, we offer to work with the city. We

2679
01:40:57,440 --> 01:40:58,719
want to work with the city so that

2680
01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:00,880
everybody's supported just for a

2681
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,040
reasonable schedule.

2682
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,040
We offered to pay to use the park. We

2683
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:06,639
were turned down. There was no

2684
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:09,840
communication up front of we got a first

2685
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:11,840
come first serve. Now we have nowhere to

2686
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,280
go with our boys. Um

2687
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,119
we didn't ask Cooper City to fund our

2688
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:20,320
program, but also a lot of these boys

2689
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:23,119
are Hooper City residents and we have no

2690
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:25,280
recreation programs for them. So we have

2691
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,000
to go to other cities. So for my son's

2692
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,159
sake and everybody else, where are they

2693
01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:31,679
supposed to go? What do you want them to

2694
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:34,320
do? You know, we don't have the access

2695
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:37,760
or the support to support them. So we've

2696
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,239
asked for a couple of days a week,

2697
01:41:40,239 --> 01:41:44,080
couple of months at any given time. Um

2698
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,639
the other issue is is we want these boys

2699
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:48,560
to go to Westfield or Royal or wherever

2700
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,280
they go, but they only can get better

2701
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,040
and play on high school teams if they

2702
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,600
practice and learn from their mistakes.

2703
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,480
The that dedication.

2704
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:00,719
Um because high school players, let's be

2705
01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:02,239
real, they don't just wake up and decide

2706
01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:05,679
to play football today.

2707
01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:07,520
Um so we need a question like what do we

2708
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,040
do with our boys before they even put on

2709
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,440
a jersey? What are we showing them if we

2710
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:14,880
can't be work together as a community to

2711
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,400
support them and give them something

2712
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,480
besides electronics

2713
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:21,199
to do?

2714
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:22,880
I don't think the park's being misused.

2715
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:24,000
If there's something to prove us

2716
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,000
different, we're not asking to use. We

2717
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:30,480
can rotate or do whatever we need to do.

2718
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:43,430
That's it.

2719
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:46,639
My name is Brooke Wilcox and I would

2720
01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:50,239
like to read a letter that I wrote. It

2721
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:54,639
says, "Dear and members of city. I am

2722
01:42:54,639 --> 01:42:57,040
also speaking today as both a parent and

2723
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,880
a citizen who believes that our

2724
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:00,639
community has responsibility to invest

2725
01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:02,719
in his children. The decision to

2726
01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:04,639
restrict our youth football program from

2727
01:43:04,639 --> 01:43:06,639
practicing at Hooper Civic Center is

2728
01:43:06,639 --> 01:43:08,560
deeply concerning.

2729
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,239
We understand the importance of

2730
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:12,560
maintaining those fields, but there has

2731
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:14,880
to be a balance between protecting grass

2732
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:16,719
and giving the kids a safe place to

2733
01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:18,960
play. I've done a little bit of homework

2734
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:20,560
and I've looked into the condition and

2735
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:22,880
the size of these fields with the number

2736
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:25,840
and ages of our players, the hours that

2737
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,719
they practice and how our coaches rotate

2738
01:43:28,719 --> 01:43:30,159
drills and spread the players throughout

2739
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:32,560
the fields. The research that I've done

2740
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:34,560
does not support the idea that this

2741
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,880
level of youth football should destroy

2742
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:38,480
these fields.

2743
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:40,800
Normal wear is not destruction and it

2744
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,119
can be managed through rotation,

2745
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:45,920
ariation, receding, watering, and

2746
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,000
routine maintenance. I also have

2747
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:49,360
photographs from the last three years

2748
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:51,040
that I brought with me if you'd like to

2749
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:54,239
see over the football season. And the

2750
01:43:54,239 --> 01:43:56,480
grass this year actually appears to be

2751
01:43:56,480 --> 01:44:00,000
in better condition than previous years.

2752
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,679
We have even offered our own money to

2753
01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:03,600
help treat and maintain the grass. We're

2754
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,280
not asking to be part of the problem.

2755
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:06,719
We're just asking to be part of the

2756
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:08,560
solution because these aren't just

2757
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,480
football practices. These boys are

2758
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:12,320
learning discipline, accountability,

2759
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,560
teamwork, leadership, and what it means

2760
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,880
to show up for one another. Youth sports

2761
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:18,639
gives them community structure,

2762
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:21,520
mentorship, and a place to belong. These

2763
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:24,159
kids are not a burden. They are doing

2764
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:26,159
exactly what we want our kids to do.

2765
01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:28,159
Getting outside, working hard, listening

2766
01:44:28,159 --> 01:44:29,920
to coaches, and being part of something

2767
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,280
positive. So, let's find a solution.

2768
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,440
Rotate areas. Adjust

2769
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:38,639
Reed the high use areas and let us help.

2770
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:41,360
I invite every single one of you to come

2771
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:44,880
to a practice and watch these boys work.

2772
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:46,560
Meet the coaches and the families and

2773
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,560
see for yourself what these two hours

2774
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:50,560
mean for these boys because I know

2775
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,560
firsthand what they can mean. I grew up

2776
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:54,400
in a household where my mom was addicted

2777
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:57,280
to meth and my dad was an alcoholic.

2778
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:00,560
Sports was my only escape and it was my

2779
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,520
safe place. For these few hours, I had

2780
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,159
somewhere to go. People who expected me

2781
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:07,760
to show up and something positive to

2782
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:09,840
belong to. And when I look at these

2783
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:12,239
boys, I know some of them are carrying

2784
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:13,760
these things that we absolutely know

2785
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,880
nothing about. For one child, football

2786
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,360
may simply be something that he loves.

2787
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:22,080
For another, those two hours may be the

2788
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:25,040
safest two hours of his entire day. And

2789
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,360
I know that because I was once that kid.

2790
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:29,440
A field can be receded, a field can be

2791
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:31,520
repaired, and a field can be maintained.

2792
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:33,280
But we cannot give these years back to

2793
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,000
these kids. It's so much more than just

2794
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,880
grass. Our kids deserve a place to play

2795
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,600
and these kids are worth investing in.

2796
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:49,669
Thank you.

2797
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:53,563
» I guess I'll say something.

2798
01:45:53,573 --> 01:45:54,239
[clears throat]

2799
01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:56,639
>> Um I just feel like I should have

2800
01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:57,119
because

2801
01:45:57,119 --> 01:45:58,000
>> state your name.

2802
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,040
>> My name's Brian, guys.

2803
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:00,639
>> Okay. Thank you.

2804
01:46:00,639 --> 01:46:02,400
Um, I just feel like for me if I'm going

2805
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,159
to put something on social media, I

2806
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:06,400
should at least come and uh show my face

2807
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,080
and be willing to say it in person as

2808
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,400
well. Um, that doesn't happen as much

2809
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,320
nowadays. But I'll just read what I

2810
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,320
wrote is I just said that the city had a

2811
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,400
choice between uh protecting blades of

2812
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:17,920
grass

2813
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:19,840
um and our kids using the park we pay

2814
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,080
for with our taxes and the city chose

2815
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,400
grass over the kids.

2816
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,960
Um, you know, one question I have is

2817
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,320
that if we're so concerned about

2818
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,480
protecting the grass, purple tomato

2819
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:34,639
days, um, is great obviously, but

2820
01:46:34,639 --> 01:46:36,800
that's, uh, August 31st through

2821
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:38,880
September 7th, and we're going to have

2822
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,199
thousands of people all over the grass,

2823
01:46:41,199 --> 01:46:43,040
trampling the grass. If we're really

2824
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:44,719
concerned about the grass and if that is

2825
01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:47,040
the issue is protecting the grass during

2826
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:50,400
drought conditions then why are we still

2827
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,320
you know why is it okay that we have her

2828
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,080
tomato days but it's not okay that the

2829
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,400
kids have a place to practice and again

2830
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:58,320
I I mean no offense by this at all but I

2831
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,159
just think that it's ironic that you

2832
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:02,239
know we start this meeting with a prayer

2833
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:04,320
and I think that's great but I think

2834
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:06,159
that if the intention behind that and

2835
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:07,920
that you know there's there's Christian

2836
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,760
beliefs behind that I just don't see

2837
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:11,760
that you know if we're looking at

2838
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,639
something from that perspective that uh

2839
01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:16,239
there's no way that the kids would be

2840
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:18,960
kicked off the grass there. And uh the

2841
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,040
other thing too is just I just say thank

2842
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,199
God that other cities and other city

2843
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:25,600
councils are letting these kids play

2844
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:28,080
somewhere else away from here otherwise

2845
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,480
they would have nowhere to play. Um so I

2846
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:32,400
think like was mentioned as well I mean

2847
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,800
with kids nowadays as well like you know

2848
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,639
spending time inside in front of their

2849
01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:38,719
screens like this is a good thing. So I

2850
01:47:38,719 --> 01:47:39,920
think it's just and again just

2851
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:41,520
frustrating on my side. not sure that

2852
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,119
there's, you know, reasons and

2853
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:44,719
explanations, but the explanation that

2854
01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:46,159
was given, I guess, just doesn't make

2855
01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:56,149
sense. So, anyway,

2856
01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:58,239
hello. My name is John Beck. Uh, I

2857
01:47:58,239 --> 01:47:59,679
appreciate the opportunity of coming up

2858
01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:00,800
here and speaking with the mayor and

2859
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,840
city council tonight. Um,

2860
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,400
I uh missed the initial part of the city

2861
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,880
council opening because I assisted in

2862
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,639
responding to an emergency in Hooper as

2863
01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:12,239
I was driving over here and then

2864
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:15,840
occupied um vehicle that was um

2865
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:17,360
recklessly

2866
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:19,679
uh spinning in circles with the driver

2867
01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:23,040
in the front seat. So, uh, we kind of

2868
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:25,360
deputy was, uh, lucky to be close and

2869
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:26,560
help in assisting that vehicle in

2870
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,199
stopping and and and getting that, uh,

2871
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:31,119
that driver who was unconscious medical

2872
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:33,119
attention. I'm here tonight because the

2873
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:34,880
city's decision to restrict organized

2874
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,040
youth sports, especially especially

2875
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:38,560
football, from our parks is directly

2876
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:39,840
moving our children and families from

2877
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:41,040
the very space that those parks were

2878
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,040
built for. This policy is not about

2879
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:44,800
making the fields maintenance or water

2880
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:46,320
use or whether our children are allowed

2881
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,159
to gather and play or grow in their

2882
01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:49,760
community. I understand that every

2883
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,159
decision involves balancing uh competing

2884
01:48:52,159 --> 01:48:54,000
priorities. Understand that maintaining

2885
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:55,920
our parks cost money and recognize the

2886
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:57,760
severity of the drought Utah is facing.

2887
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,360
Those are legitimate concerns. Many of

2888
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:00,960
us have sacrificed our own homes and

2889
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:03,199
lawns to conserve water. But mayor city

2890
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:04,560
council has to consider something even

2891
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,639
more valuable than grass, our children.

2892
01:49:06,639 --> 01:49:08,320
The decision to prohibit organized

2893
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,159
sports, mainly football, from practicing

2894
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:11,679
in our parks has driven children and

2895
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:12,960
families out of the public spaces

2896
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:14,880
intended for their use. Please think

2897
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:16,800
about those words. You're driving

2898
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:20,719
children and families out of your parks.

2899
01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:22,560
These aren't kids vandalizing our parks

2900
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,080
causing problems. They're children and

2901
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,600
families looking for a safe place where

2902
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:26,960
young people can work hard, build

2903
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:28,080
friendships, and learn positive

2904
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,239
attitudes from mentors.

2905
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:32,239
Youth sports aren't simply games.

2906
01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:33,679
They're one on the best investment the

2907
01:49:33,679 --> 01:49:35,360
community can make in his children.

2908
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,040
Research constantly associates youth

2909
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,560
sports and physical activity with better

2910
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,320
physical health, academic achievement,

2911
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:41,600
social connection, confidence,

2912
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,600
resilience, teamwork, and leadership.

2913
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:45,520
But I don't know this from research. I

2914
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,119
spent 14 years as a law enforcement

2915
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:49,119
officer, six of which were in Wever

2916
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:50,480
County, four of which were on Weaver

2917
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,000
County SWAT team serving members of

2918
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,719
Hooper. I've met countless adults who

2919
01:49:54,719 --> 01:49:56,080
can still remember the coaches who

2920
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:57,920
changed their lives. That football field

2921
01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:59,520
isn't grass. It's where kids learn

2922
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:01,440
accountability. It's where they learn to

2923
01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:03,840
work through adversary adversary instead

2924
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:05,600
of quitting. It's where they built

2925
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,119
friendships instead of sitting alone

2926
01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:09,760
behind a screen at home. It's where they

2927
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,280
spend two hours with positive coaches

2928
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:13,040
and teammates. coaches who volunteer

2929
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,679
their time freely instead of two hours

2930
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:17,679
looking somewhere else to belong. That's

2931
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:19,040
why I was so disappointed to hear the

2932
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:19,920
suggestions that our children trouble

2933
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,360
learning organized sports until high

2934
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:23,119
school. By the time their kids reach

2935
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:25,360
high school, they're just beginning to

2936
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,600
teach discipline, work ethic, teamwork,

2937
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,400
confidence, and pers perseverance.

2938
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,080
Those foundations should already have

2939
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:35,760
been built by the time they get there.

2940
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,960
I made a comment online about free

2941
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,760
scientific data. Data that is I work as

2942
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,040
a cop with Utah Department of

2943
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:44,400
Agriculture and Food and I know the

2944
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:46,000
services that they could provide to

2945
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,480
cities and assisting them with

2946
01:50:48,480 --> 01:50:51,600
evaluating their grass moisture content,

2947
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:57,270
compactness, and other things like pH.

2948
01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:58,880
There are many opportunities that the

2949
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,119
city council has that do not cost money,

2950
01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:03,280
do not impact the city's budget, and

2951
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,840
will give scientific data to what

2952
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:16,310
>> Thank you.

2953
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:18,400
» Are there any other comments before we

2954
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,320
move on?

2955
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:23,119
Okay, seeing none, thank you. Okay, the

2956
01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:26,480
next item on our agenda is motion which

2957
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:29,440
is approval of the minutes dated July

2958
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:31,760
16th, 2026.

2959
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:33,679
Did everyone look through those minutes?

2960
01:51:33,679 --> 01:51:37,520
Do you have any corrections? One one

2961
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,760
question I had was it said David Craig

2962
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,800
was on Zoom, but I believe he was here.

2963
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:46,800
He gave the prayer, but I wonder does

2964
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,800
remember I thought David was here in

2965
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:52,960
person. Did he do the prayer on Zoom?

2966
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:55,280
Okay. So, that's the only thing I It

2967
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,280
just said David Craig, city council

2968
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,119
Zoom. And I I believe he was here in

2969
01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:02,310
person.

2970
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:04,800
Do any of you see any other corrections

2971
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:08,470
to the minutes?

2972
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:10,159
No. If there's not any other

2973
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:11,840
corrections, then is there a motion to

2974
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,080
approve the minutes?

2975
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:15,599
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

2976
01:52:15,599 --> 01:52:17,840
minutes.

2977
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,080
What? June.

2978
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:20,800
What was the date?

2979
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:21,440
>> July 16.

2980
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:22,800
>> July 16th.

2981
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,560
>> Okay. The motion was made by council

2982
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,599
member Hancock. Is there a second?

2983
01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:28,800
>> I'll second it.

2984
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:30,560
>> The second is made by council member

2985
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:34,080
Fowlers. Any discussion on the motion?

2986
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,400
>> All in favor say I.

2987
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:36,800
>> I.

2988
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:42,709
>> Any opposed? Okay, that motion carries.

2989
01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:44,560
» Okay. The next thing we have on our

2990
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:47,599
agenda is a discussion on a

2991
01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:51,599
transportation impact fee. So Taylor,

2992
01:52:51,599 --> 01:52:54,560
the city engineer, put this together.

2993
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:56,960
Currently, Herper City does not have a

2994
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:58,639
transportation

2995
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:01,840
impact fee or a transportation utility

2996
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:05,840
fee. And it's a little bit different. He

2997
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:10,560
gave some um notes on this and I just

2998
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,400
wanted to do a discussion to see if this

2999
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:14,560
is something council would be interested

3000
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,199
in pursuing. Taylor said that there

3001
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:19,040
would be enough money already in the

3002
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:21,280
budget to be able to do this. We've

3003
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,440
already done our trans transportation

3004
01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:25,679
study. So, that isn't anything that

3005
01:53:25,679 --> 01:53:27,280
would need to be done and there would be

3006
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:29,199
enough money to do the transportation

3007
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:31,920
impact fee.

3008
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,920
A lot of times they do this, you know,

3009
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,920
um utility fee instead.

3010
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:39,520
So just wanted to know what your

3011
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:40,960
thoughts were on this if this is

3012
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:43,840
something you would like to pursue

3013
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:47,119
us doing or any thoughts.

3014
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:49,599
>> How does it get assessed? How do we

3015
01:53:49,599 --> 01:53:51,760
assess that fee in conjunction with

3016
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:52,639
other fees?

3017
01:53:52,639 --> 01:53:54,320
>> Yeah. So I think if it is a

3018
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:57,040
transportation impact fee then I think

3019
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:59,280
it's by

3020
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:01,599
travel on the road it's like for new

3021
01:54:01,599 --> 01:54:03,199
developments.

3022
01:54:03,199 --> 01:54:06,000
um which the transportation utility fee

3023
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:09,119
is also too but then you they assess how

3024
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:12,239
many cars we have driving on the road

3025
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:13,840
you know like I said it goes along with

3026
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,000
the transportation study that they have

3027
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:19,910
already done

3028
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:22,239
so I didn't know that this was going to

3029
01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:24,800
be on here tonight

3030
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:26,639
I seen that but I didn't know what it

3031
01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:30,000
was about but by coincidence I was

3032
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,199
actually talking to Jared Hanco about a

3033
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:35,199
whole different thing that came into

3034
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:38,480
this transportation fee. And Malcolm,

3035
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,119
you probably know more about this than

3036
01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:44,239
uh any of us. Is that correct that you

3037
01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:46,800
know something about this or what you've

3038
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:51,280
seen out there from other businesses?

3039
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:53,040
>> Just bring up Terra Strada.

3040
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:55,199
>> Other developments I've seen go through.

3041
01:54:55,199 --> 01:54:56,960
There's typically cities have a

3042
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:59,599
transportation impact fee, but it's

3043
01:54:59,599 --> 01:55:03,119
assessed, you know, application

3044
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:07,199
or approval, I suppose. So, yeah, for an

3045
01:55:07,199 --> 01:55:09,199
instance in West Point, a transportation

3046
01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:11,599
impact fee for commercial development is

3047
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:14,159
$7,600

3048
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:18,080
per 1,000 square ft of commercial

3049
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:20,159
development. So, that development we

3050
01:55:20,159 --> 01:55:23,840
looked at earlier was 160,000

3051
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:27,760
square feet. So, it' be 160*

3052
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:31,040
7,500 just for perspective.

3053
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:33,040
I don't know that fee in our fee

3054
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,280
schedule. It's a substantial fee that

3055
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,760
probably has real cost, but I'm not

3056
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,119
familiar with Taylor's talking about

3057
01:55:39,119 --> 01:55:40,719
here, but I think it is something

3058
01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:43,040
interesting to talk about for our

3059
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:44,719
growth. We have commercial development

3060
01:55:44,719 --> 01:55:47,760
come in West Haven had to assess fees

3061
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:49,679
and pay those to them. They do it per

3062
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:51,199
trip. So, when you get a traffic study

3063
01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:54,239
done, they do about $300 per trip that's

3064
01:55:54,239 --> 01:55:56,880
generated. Then that is what your impact

3065
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,119
fee would be.

3066
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:00,719
Those are fees that developers would

3067
01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:02,320
have paid in other cities for sure.

3068
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:05,679
Farming can have about $600 for $525 per

3069
01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:07,679
trip that goes to the site, but the

3070
01:56:07,679 --> 01:56:10,719
traffic study, you know, shows. So, I

3071
01:56:10,719 --> 01:56:11,760
don't know. It's just an interesting

3072
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:13,840
thought. We're hoping we're just, you

3073
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,080
know, getting things put together, but

3074
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:18,000
it's about to get thoughts on it. I'm

3075
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:19,520
not an expert by any means, but we could

3076
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:23,189
definitely research it.

3077
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:28,880
» You know, I'd like to uh you know, terra

3078
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:31,360
doing this uh

3079
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:35,280
that fee right there to uh Terrada would

3080
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:38,080
go a long ways for helping us uh with

3081
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:41,360
the lift station and may prevent us from

3082
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:46,000
even having to do a CRA or

3083
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:47,679
>> I thought if this was something you were

3084
01:56:47,679 --> 01:56:49,599
interested we could have Taylor come and

3085
01:56:49,599 --> 01:56:53,280
do a presentation and explain it more.

3086
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:55,040
It is it is something we haven't done

3087
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:57,679
but as Malcol mentioned other cities do

3088
01:56:57,679 --> 01:57:00,159
and So when they do road projects, if

3089
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:01,679
they have this already have this

3090
01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:04,320
transportation impact fee or the utility

3091
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,960
fee, they already have money set aside

3092
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:10,400
for roads. So that's what I wanted your

3093
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:11,599
thoughts. If it's something you would

3094
01:57:11,599 --> 01:57:12,639
like to hear more [clears throat] about,

3095
01:57:12,639 --> 01:57:15,119
we could certainly do a presentation on

3096
01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:16,800
because we we haven't had one in the

3097
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:18,080
past.

3098
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:20,400
>> I I wouldn't be about having a

3099
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:23,920
presentation being here. A reasonable

3100
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:26,880
amount that could be charged is between

3101
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,199
$10 to $30 a month per household and

3102
01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:30,800
more for businesses. Great for

3103
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:33,360
businesses. Ain't no way in heaven I'm

3104
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:36,480
going to want to hit people with $10 a

3105
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:39,599
month more for per household for driving

3106
01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:41,040
on the roads. That's just not going to

3107
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:44,719
work for me. That's $120 a year at the

3108
01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:47,360
minimum. So yeah, if we can look into it

3109
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:50,480
towards commercial, great. But I'm not

3110
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:53,679
prepared to um

3111
01:57:53,679 --> 01:57:56,159
pound something onto the the residents

3112
01:57:56,159 --> 01:57:57,920
out here to drive the roads. I just

3113
01:57:57,920 --> 01:57:59,360
don't think that's appropriate at this

3114
01:57:59,360 --> 01:57:59,840
time.

3115
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:01,599
>> And along those lines, I would suggest

3116
01:58:01,599 --> 01:58:05,360
there's even businesses in currently

3117
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,239
that use commercial vehicles on a very

3118
01:58:08,239 --> 01:58:11,840
consistent basis that are very much so

3119
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:13,440
wearing and tearing on our roads more

3120
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:16,400
than the average citizen. So I'd like

3121
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,880
I'd be interested to know how apply a

3122
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:21,520
fee to a business that uses commercial

3123
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,320
transportation consistently and

3124
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:25,920
dependently

3125
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:27,840
if that's even a possibility.

3126
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:29,360
>> Can I can I just ask follow up? You're

3127
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:33,440
asking for current existing businesses

3128
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:37,199
that are using the infrastructure.

3129
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:39,360
So this specifically wasn't on the

3130
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:42,080
agenda. This is different. It's talking

3131
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:44,719
about a tough transportation utility fee

3132
01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:48,239
as opposed to transportation impact. So,

3133
01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:50,400
um, they're both possible both

3134
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:52,480
possibilities without

3135
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:53,199
this.

3136
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,599
>> So, we probably really do just need to

3137
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:58,239
get a property and have Taylor come and

3138
01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:00,560
maybe explain the differences of what

3139
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,000
they are

3140
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:05,119
>> and how we Okay,

3141
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:07,040
>> maybe

3142
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,440
Cody may have a fair amount of expertise

3143
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:12,639
on this as well. I think in this memo he

3144
01:59:12,639 --> 01:59:14,080
talks about Cody doing an assessment,

3145
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:15,599
but I don't know if Cody could be a

3146
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:21,030
resource. So,

3147
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:22,719
Okay. Well, I can get that arranged

3148
01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:25,440
then. Okay. Thank you.

3149
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:29,119
Okay. The next thing on our agenda,

3150
01:59:29,119 --> 01:59:30,800
and this is just something I wanted to

3151
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:32,880
discuss with you, a possible motion to

3152
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:35,360
change the September meeting dates. So,

3153
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:40,870
our city council meetings in September.

3154
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:42,400
» Yeah, we don't have any we don't have

3155
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:45,199
any public hearings tonight. So our our

3156
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:48,320
city council meetings in September, our

3157
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:50,560
first one would be September 3rd, but

3158
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:52,639
that is actually during Herford tomato

3159
01:59:52,639 --> 01:59:54,639
days and so we would not be having a

3160
01:59:54,639 --> 01:59:56,880
meeting that day. So what I wanted to

3161
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:59,199
discuss with you is if you are

3162
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:01,440
interested in shifting the meetings

3163
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:03,599
down. So the first city council meeting

3164
02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:05,679
would be the 10th with planning

3165
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:07,840
commission the 17th and then another

3166
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:10,960
city council meeting on the 24th. or if

3167
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:13,599
you are good with only having one city

3168
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:16,560
council meeting in September and we just

3169
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:19,520
have that on September 17th. I I didn't

3170
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:21,280
know what you would prefer.

3171
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:22,960
>> I think we have so much stuff that we

3172
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:24,800
need to work on that we actually need

3173
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:28,159
two meetings. That would be my choice is

3174
02:00:28,159 --> 02:00:30,719
to try and rearrange them because we

3175
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:32,480
have so many items in front of us right

3176
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:38,070
now that we need to deal with.

3177
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:40,800
» This is a comment from staff.

3178
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:42,239
If we move things around, that's going

3179
02:00:42,239 --> 02:00:45,040
to the availability for the attorneys to

3180
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:46,719
be both the planning commission and the

3181
02:00:46,719 --> 02:00:49,840
attorney and the city council meeting is

3182
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:51,760
going to be difficult. I think as it

3183
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:54,320
stands, we're great, but if we switch

3184
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:56,719
them or flop them, then our availability

3185
02:00:56,719 --> 02:00:58,560
is going to be different. If you add

3186
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:00,239
just another council meeting, I think

3187
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:02,400
that would be

3188
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:05,599
easier for staff or attorneys.

3189
02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:06,800
>> And that's another thing we talked

3190
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:08,960
about. We could have our city council

3191
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,119
meeting instead of the third if you

3192
02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:13,440
wanted to do it another night the next

3193
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:16,880
week and still keep the planning

3194
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:19,920
commission the same

3195
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:22,159
whatever you feel like would work out

3196
02:01:22,159 --> 02:01:25,679
better. I like to keep things uh the

3197
02:01:25,679 --> 02:01:27,840
same month after month and I would

3198
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:31,199
prefer to go if we've got a ton of stuff

3199
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:34,000
I'd prefer to just be here longer that

3200
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:36,880
night and just get it done however long

3201
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:39,440
it takes me rather than throwing in

3202
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:43,440
another meeting and I want

3203
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:45,679
>> definitely need to have counsel here

3204
02:01:45,679 --> 02:01:47,599
when we do anything. So what's going to

3205
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:49,920
work that way is good with me. But I

3206
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:51,360
just know we have a lot of stuff that we

3207
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:56,470
need to chew on.

3208
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:58,480
» Council member Flowers Hill, do you have

3209
02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:00,159
any thoughts on this?

3210
02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:03,119
>> Just to have one meeting on the 17th.

3211
02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:04,560
>> It had to be longer.

3212
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,800
>> Okay. What do you think? Council member

3213
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:07,119
Hill.

3214
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:10,080
>> I agree. Also 10 for the plan 17 from

3215
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:10,719
council.

3216
02:02:10,719 --> 02:02:11,119
>> Okay.

3217
02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:13,520
>> As

3218
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:14,960
like you say then if we need to stay

3219
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:17,119
longer. So that's why I just wanted some

3220
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:19,040
discussion because sometimes it's been

3221
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:20,639
in the past. Oh, we, you know, we want

3222
02:02:20,639 --> 02:02:22,159
to have two meetings. So, I just wanted

3223
02:02:22,159 --> 02:02:23,920
to get your opinions on that. So, thank

3224
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:25,840
you. We'll just leave that as the same

3225
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:28,159
and just know on September 3rd there

3226
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:31,840
will be no city council meeting.

3227
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:34,560
Okay. So, the next what we have on our

3228
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:38,239
agenda is the approval of resolution

3229
02:02:38,239 --> 02:02:41,440
number 2026.

3230
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:44,400
So, as you are aware, David Craig, who

3231
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:46,480
was one of our city council members, has

3232
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:49,040
moved. Actually, this morning, they were

3233
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:51,440
moving. And because of that, we now had

3234
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:54,960
a vacancy on our city council. And the

3235
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:59,199
state has some exact language of how we

3236
02:02:59,199 --> 02:03:02,080
go about doing that. And this resolution

3237
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:04,960
that we need to pass first goes through

3238
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:08,320
and outlines exactly word for word how

3239
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,480
we go about

3240
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:12,560
doing this. Is there anything Darren you

3241
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:15,599
need to add with that besides

3242
02:03:15,599 --> 02:03:18,239
>> No, we we discussed it last time. We do

3243
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:21,679
need to adopt it in order to move to the

3244
02:03:21,679 --> 02:03:24,080
next step.

3245
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,639
So Darren, I know this is really petty

3246
02:03:26,639 --> 02:03:29,360
again, but does it matter how we flip

3247
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:32,239
the coin? Whether we catch it or let it

3248
02:03:32,239 --> 02:03:34,239
hit the ground, does that have to be in

3249
02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:35,360
there?

3250
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,119
>> Did I not put that in there?

3251
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:41,840
>> It's on step five. Step five.

3252
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:44,080
>> It depends on the rep. So I guess that's

3253
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:48,310
the recorder,

3254
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:52,400
» okay? Okay. So, we need a motion then to

3255
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:57,360
approve resolution number 202606.

3256
02:03:57,360 --> 02:03:58,960
>> I'll make that motion to approve

3257
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:00,230
resolution number 2026-06.

3258
02:04:00,230 --> 02:04:02,790
[clears throat]

3259
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:04,560
» Okay. The motion was made by council

3260
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,239
member Hill. Is there a second?

3261
02:04:06,239 --> 02:04:07,280
>> I'll second that.

3262
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:09,440
>> Second is made by council member Fowers.

3263
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:12,560
Any discussion on this motion?

3264
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,880
>> Okay. Because it is a resolution, we are

3265
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:17,280
going to do a roll call vote. We will

3266
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:19,440
start with council member Hill. Hi,

3267
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:21,199
>> Council Member Ato.

3268
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:21,920
>> Yes,

3269
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:23,360
>> Council Member Hancock.

3270
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:24,000
>> Hi,

3271
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:25,360
>> Council Member Fowers.

3272
02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:25,840
>> Hi.

3273
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:28,159
>> Okay, that passes.

3274
02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:31,840
Okay, so we had two candidates that put

3275
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:36,960
in an application from District 2,

3276
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:39,360
but I'm not seeing

3277
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:42,719
our other candidate here. I've seen one

3278
02:04:42,719 --> 02:04:45,599
candidate. I'm not seeing our unless if

3279
02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:50,960
I'm missing him. Is Austin Jones here?

3280
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:54,080
I I'm not seeing him.

3281
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:56,000
>> So, get notified.

3282
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:59,360
>> Yes. So, what do we

3283
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:01,920
do if the candidate does not show up? Do

3284
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:02,960
we just

3285
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:03,840
>> just proceed with the

3286
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:06,000
>> We still proceed the same way. We still

3287
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,599
have to receive a majority vote for the

3288
02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:08,480
person.

3289
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:12,080
>> Sure. Okay. Okay. So, our other

3290
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:16,000
candidate is Matt. Matthew Kils. And so

3291
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:19,840
we have some questions that the council

3292
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:21,920
had turned in that Morgan is going to be

3293
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:24,239
reading. So if you would come up to the

3294
02:05:24,239 --> 02:05:26,880
podium and we will ask those questions

3295
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:30,000
and then it's a very precise how the

3296
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:32,719
voting procedure actually goes. So thank

3297
02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:36,480
you for being here.

3298
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:38,400
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

3299
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:40,239
So we're just going Morgan will just

3300
02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:42,960
read the question to you and then you

3301
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:44,560
can just go ahead and answer the

3302
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:45,199
question.

3303
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:46,239
>> Okay.

3304
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:49,599
So question number one is what is

3305
02:05:49,599 --> 02:05:52,000
your vision of the future growth of

3306
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:53,119
Hooper?

3307
02:05:53,119 --> 02:05:55,040
>> Uh my vision of the future growth of

3308
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:57,920
Hooper is responsible growth and I know

3309
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:00,000
a lot of people have said what is

3310
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:01,679
responsible growth and responsible

3311
02:06:01,679 --> 02:06:04,560
growth is [clears throat] play paying

3312
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:07,199
very close attention to what the general

3313
02:06:07,199 --> 02:06:10,960
is also um

3314
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:13,920
looking at how we responsibly

3315
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:16,400
let our children live out here. I have

3316
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,080
three of my kids that live out here

3317
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:21,280
actually and I've got two more that are

3318
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:22,480
twins sitting back there hopefully

3319
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:23,920
they'll get married one of these days

3320
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:25,360
and [clears throat] they'll they'll get

3321
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:28,719
out here too. But it's so expensive to

3322
02:06:28,719 --> 02:06:31,920
live out here and so I just thought, you

3323
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:34,400
know, I was able to do what eight

3324
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:37,440
generations of my family I mean actually

3325
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:40,880
the sixth generation no seventh

3326
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:43,520
generation in my family and my kids are

3327
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:45,360
the eighth generation that live in

3328
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:49,280
Hooper. My [clears throat] great great great grandpa was a bio

3329
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:52,400
wadsworth is gravestones here and I

3330
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:56,480
believe that uh I have a lot of sense of

3331
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:59,360
community and so I care a lot about how

3332
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:02,400
the growth at Hooker happens um and how

3333
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:04,639
it happens responsibly

3334
02:07:04,639 --> 02:07:10,079
and how we obtain um

3335
02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:13,280
revenues to help the city to grow as

3336
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:18,950
it's needed.

3337
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:20,960
Okay, question number two. What is one

3338
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:22,320
change that you would like to see in

3339
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:23,760
Hover?

3340
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:27,119
>> I'd like to see, as I mentioned before,

3341
02:07:27,119 --> 02:07:29,599
um [clears throat] how we handle open

3342
02:07:29,599 --> 02:07:34,000
space and how we open how we handle um

3343
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:36,880
certain areas of Hooker that wants to

3344
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:39,440
stay rural in certain parts of Hooker

3345
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:42,719
that wants to develop. And um I believe

3346
02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:45,599
there's there's a way to work that out.

3347
02:07:45,599 --> 02:07:49,040
Um especially with how many I mean

3348
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:51,599
there's the good people of Upward. I

3349
02:07:51,599 --> 02:07:55,280
knew a lot of I know a lot of them and

3350
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:59,599
they've expressed that same thing to me.

3351
02:07:59,599 --> 02:08:01,520
>> Okay. Question number three. Tell us how

3352
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:03,040
committed you are to attending two

3353
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:05,199
council meetings per month. In addition,

3354
02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:06,880
how willing are you to take on

3355
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:08,639
additional assignments and attend other

3356
02:08:08,639 --> 02:08:10,719
meetings outside of the regular Thursday

3357
02:08:10,719 --> 02:08:11,520
schedule?

3358
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:14,159
>> Well, I'm semi-retired, so I'll be able

3359
02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:16,880
to do that.

3360
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:19,040
>> Perfect. Um, question four. What

3361
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:21,520
direction do you see Hooper City going?

3362
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:24,880
>> I see Hooper City going in a direction

3363
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:28,400
that um for a long time we were never a

3364
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:29,840
city. It was just always Hooper out

3365
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:32,400
here. And I remember when we weren't a

3366
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:35,679
city and And we just basically had to

3367
02:08:35,679 --> 02:08:37,520
hurry up and make the city because Roy

3368
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:40,800
was taking Roy I I don't know if you

3369
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:42,880
know but Roy Hooper used to go up to the

3370
02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:47,840
railroad tracks and and slowly they took

3371
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:49,599
Hooper

3372
02:08:49,599 --> 02:08:52,639
all the way down to the gas station down

3373
02:08:52,639 --> 02:08:55,760
here. But anyways, um I really believe

3374
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,639
strongly that Uber

3375
02:08:58,639 --> 02:09:02,320
um has a lot of responsible and

3376
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:05,679
potential growth with community and

3377
02:09:05,679 --> 02:09:08,719
sense of community and keeping it rural

3378
02:09:08,719 --> 02:09:11,679
and at the same time doing what kind

3379
02:09:11,679 --> 02:09:14,079
what I kind of feel like West Point has

3380
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:17,119
done. I feel like they've done a pretty

3381
02:09:17,119 --> 02:09:19,679
good job at trying to balance that and

3382
02:09:19,679 --> 02:09:23,199
that's how I feel about Hooker.

3383
02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:25,599
Okay, last question. What do you see as

3384
02:09:25,599 --> 02:09:30,719
a concern for Heer? Um, I see a concern

3385
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:35,830
um with

3386
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:38,400
revenues and

3387
02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:42,159
I own a business and I understand

3388
02:09:42,159 --> 02:09:44,719
revenues and how revenues work and how

3389
02:09:44,719 --> 02:09:47,599
they don't work and I feel like I'm able

3390
02:09:47,599 --> 02:09:52,079
to uh with my company that I was with

3391
02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:54,960
for 40 years that I was able to develop

3392
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:58,159
a pretty big pretty

3393
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:00,560
prosperous business and understand what

3394
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:03,520
the revenues do to run a city or run a

3395
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:07,430
business.

3396
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:10,639
» Okay. Thank you. So, it's a very strict

3397
02:10:10,639 --> 02:10:13,040
voting process and Morgan will pass out

3398
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:15,520
a sheet of paper to each of us. We have

3399
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:17,360
to write our name on that sheet of

3400
02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:20,800
paper. And do I explain a little bit

3401
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:21,520
now?

3402
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:24,079
>> I do. Did we receive any notice that

3403
02:10:24,079 --> 02:10:26,079
this other person has taken their name

3404
02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:27,440
out?

3405
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:29,440
So, I just would let the council know

3406
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:31,520
that the other person is still up for a

3407
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:35,360
vote for for council.

3408
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:38,159
Um, whether they accept that or not,

3409
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:39,920
that's a different thing. So, we're

3410
02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:41,119
going to still do the same thing through

3411
02:10:41,119 --> 02:10:41,840
the paper.

3412
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:43,440
>> So, the name of the other person is

3413
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:45,440
Austin Jones.

3414
02:10:45,440 --> 02:11:42,709
>> Okay. Thank you.

3415
02:11:42,719 --> 02:11:47,990
Yes. Say the

3416
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:51,520
Okay. So with Ryan or sorry, Council

3417
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:54,639
Member Hancock, Matt Kilts,

3418
02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:57,440
Council Member Bowers, Matt Kilts, Mary

3419
02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:00,000
Roado or Council Member Roto, Matt

3420
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:03,599
Kilts, Council Member Hill, Matt Kilts,

3421
02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:06,079
and then Mayor Matt Kils.

3422
02:12:06,079 --> 02:12:08,320
>> Oh, and I'm so sorry. I think I went

3423
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:10,480
over some procedure incorrectly last

3424
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:13,599
time. The code is written poorly.

3425
02:12:13,599 --> 02:12:15,599
whether the mayor can vote. It's written

3426
02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:17,520
very poorly. I think it could be argued

3427
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:19,679
either or, but I think to be safe, the

3428
02:12:19,679 --> 02:12:21,760
mayor's vote should not she can't count

3429
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:24,079
unless there is a tie. But it's still

3430
02:12:24,079 --> 02:12:26,079
written poorly. I'm going that's on the

3431
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:31,830
record.

3432
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:32,159
» Okay.

3433
02:12:32,159 --> 02:12:35,360
>> You will work on fixing that.

3434
02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:38,719
>> Okay. So, um, with the majority of the

3435
02:12:38,719 --> 02:12:41,840
vote, you are our new District 2 city

3436
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:43,920
council member, and we are going to have

3437
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:47,119
you come up and Morgan is going to do

3438
02:12:47,119 --> 02:12:50,000
your oath of office to swear you in. And

3439
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,480
then after that oath of office, we would

3440
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,560
welcome you to come up and sit on the

3441
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:57,440
DAS and you can motion on the last thing

3442
02:12:57,440 --> 02:12:59,679
that we have, well, two things on our

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02:12:59,679 --> 02:13:02,000
agenda tonight. So, if you'd like to

3444
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:12,629
come up here with Morgan,

3445
02:13:12,639 --> 02:13:18,629
» just your right arm.

3446
02:13:18,639 --> 02:13:21,760
Okay. Um, so just repeat after me. I

3447
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:22,480
Matt Guilt.

3448
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:25,119
>> I'm Matt Guilt. having been elected to

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02:13:25,119 --> 02:13:26,480
the office of

3450
02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:28,719
>> having been elected to the office of

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02:13:28,719 --> 02:13:30,800
>> district two

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02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:33,119
>> do solemnly swear

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02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:37,679
>> that I will support obey and defend

3454
02:13:37,679 --> 02:13:41,360
>> the Constitution of the United States

3455
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:43,119
>> and the Constitution of the State of

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02:13:43,119 --> 02:13:43,679
Utah

3457
02:13:43,679 --> 02:13:45,280
>> and the Constitution of the State of

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02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:45,840
Utah

3459
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:47,599
>> and that I will discharge

3460
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:48,880
>> and I will discharge

3461
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:51,599
>> the duties of my office

3462
02:13:51,599 --> 02:13:52,560
>> with fidelity

3463
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:54,639
>> with fidility

3464
02:13:54,639 --> 02:13:56,880
Thank you.

3465
02:13:56,880 --> 02:13:58,400
>> Okay. Thank you. And we'll have you come

3466
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:01,679
up and sit by Council Member Fowers.

3467
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:03,040
>> Thank you. We appreciate your

3468
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:05,760
willingness to serve.

3469
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:08,000
Okay. So, the next thing we have on our

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02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:10,880
agenda then is a motion for Mayor Pro

3471
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:16,069
Tim for 2026.

3472
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:21,920
» I'd like to make a motion uh that we uh

3473
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:23,119
propose

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02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:23,520
or

3475
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:27,840
>> nominate motion to nominate Councilman

3476
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:32,560
Hill as prom 2026.

3477
02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:34,400
>> Okay, the motion was made by council

3478
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:36,159
member Rapalto. Is there a second?

3479
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:37,199
>> Second.

3480
02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:38,960
is made by council member

3481
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:41,599
Hancock. All in favor?

3482
02:14:41,599 --> 02:14:43,599
>> I I

3483
02:14:43,599 --> 02:14:44,480
>> Do I see the vote?

3484
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:48,069
>> Yes, you vote.

3485
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:50,639
» Okay, that was unanimous. So,

3486
02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:52,880
>> that was reluctant.

3487
02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:54,079
I'm not going to say that.

3488
02:14:54,079 --> 02:14:55,679
>> Thank you.

3489
02:14:55,679 --> 02:14:57,440
for being willing to be our

3490
02:14:57,440 --> 02:14:58,880
mayor.

3491
02:14:58,880 --> 02:15:03,760
>> Okay. So, the last thing on our agenda then is for adjournment. If

3492
02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:04,960
there's someone that would like to make

3493
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:06,159
a motion to adjourn.

3494
02:15:06,159 --> 02:15:08,320
>> I'll make a motion to adjourn. This fun

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02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:09,199
meeting.

3496
02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:10,880
>> Is there a second?

3497
02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:13,440
>> Second. Okay. Motion made by council

3498
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:15,760
member Hancock, second by council member

3499
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:18,480
Kils. All in favor?

3500
02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:20,079
>> Okay. Thank you. And thank you all of

3501
02:15:20,079 --> 02:15:21,760
you for coming to our meeting. We held

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02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:25,320
their hand mark.