[0:07] Okay, we want to welcome you to our city
[0:09] council work meeting. It is August the
[0:12] 20th. The first thing we're going to
[0:15] talk about is our Herford Tomato Days
[0:17] community dinner. So, I kind of went
[0:19] through and wrote, you know, made this
[0:21] sheet that we could maybe make some
[0:23] notes on it. Um, if there's Oh, I didn't
[0:26] push that over. Sorry.
[0:28] Far enough. So, I went through the food
[0:31] that we had talked about that I thought
[0:34] if we could just
[0:36] maybe write down who we think, you know,
[0:39] wants to be over that. I just put I
[0:42] wasn't sure. So, if I put your name and
[0:44] you don't want to do that, that doesn't
[0:45] necessarily mean that you have to. So,
[0:48] but anyway, so um first off the bat,
[0:52] we're doing those pulled pork sandwiches
[0:54] and Chad Funk said they will they will
[0:56] purchase the meat from Costco. they will
[0:59] get all that smoked like they did last
[1:00] year. So as far as the meat, we don't
[1:02] need to worry about that at all.
[1:05] >> So the buns and I think Dale you had
[1:06] mentioned one. So you're getting
[1:08] >> through Bimbo bakeries. Yep. They will
[1:09] donate [clears throat]
[1:10] all the all that kind of stuff.
[1:12] >> Okay. So I'm just going to because I I
[1:14] put Dale because I didn't know. So we'll
[1:15] just plan on Dell. Okay. Do you
[1:20] » Bimbo Bakeries
[1:24] » huge warehouse?
[1:27] So, do you need help picking those up or
[1:29] you'll just pick them up?
[1:31] >> Yep, I'll pick them up.
[1:32] >> Okay. So, um I thought if you're okay
[1:34] with this, I would just buy the other
[1:36] food because then I could use the Sam's
[1:38] Club card so we wouldn't have to worry
[1:40] about anybody paying for it. And so, I
[1:43] wrote down like, well, you'll see. Um,
[1:45] are you still okay D with corn?
[1:47] >> Corn will be okay.
[1:48] >> So, we talked about, but I didn't know.
[1:49] You tell me what you think about if we
[1:52] had 750 cobs, maybe cut some of them in
[1:55] half because you know sometimes
[1:56] >> we did last year, didn't we?
[1:57] >> We did. That's what I cut them in half.
[1:59] >> So, do you think that's too many then?
[2:01] 750.
[2:02] >> How much we have left over last year?
[2:04] >> You know, I don't remember. We
[2:06] >> not very much.
[2:06] >> I don't think there was a whole lot.
[2:08] >> Like a half.
[2:09] >> Yeah, I know. It was took us a long time
[2:10] to husk it out and break like five.
[2:15] >> Whatever. Yeah. Was that what you
[2:16] brought last year?
[2:17] >> Gosh, I don't remember. I'd have to look
[2:19] on the receipt, but that probably about
[2:21] that.
[2:22] >> I couldn't remember last week.
[2:24] >> And Brian, you'll be in charge of the
[2:25] corn.
[2:26] >> Uh, not this year
[2:28] >> because Monday the 31st does not work
[2:30] for me.
[2:31] >> Oh, no.
[2:32] >> And I just saw that today and I'm like,
[2:34] who decided on Monday?
[2:36] >> That's when we did it last year was the
[2:38] Monday before instead of the Friday.
[2:40] >> Wasn't it Saturday?
[2:41] No, we did it last year Monday because
[2:44] when we did it on the f we used to do it
[2:46] on Friday and then it ended up being a
[2:48] real conflict with like sporting event.
[2:52] Yeah. With with football.
[2:53] >> I thought we switched to Saturday.
[2:55] >> No, it we had it on it was on Monday.
[2:58] >> I know we did because we had a conflict
[3:00] on Friday and we switched it to Saturday
[3:02] >> a couple years ago.
[3:04] >> It could have been since I've been doing
[3:06] tomato days quite a few years. We did it
[3:09] on Friday, but I know last year it was
[3:11] on Monday.
[3:13] >> It would have been nice to have a
[3:15] discussion about the date, but
[3:18] >> I actually show it
[3:20] >> on Monday,
[3:22] >> August 25th.
[3:23] >> Yeah. And I think and I remember the
[3:25] very first time we switched it to
[3:26] Friday, we thought because it used to be
[3:29] on Saturday and then they would have the
[3:30] concert
[3:32] >> after and it made it a little bit
[3:34] difficult. Well, well, okay. Years ago,
[3:36] they did the dinner and then they did
[3:37] the movie. on Friday.
[3:40] >> And that was on on Friday.
[3:42] >> Friday.
[3:43] >> Yeah. So, it's been a little bit, but
[3:45] then last year, so
[3:48] >> I mean, I'll do my best, but I I had no
[3:50] idea it was going to be next Monday.
[3:53] >> Yeah, it's a panic. It's that soon.
[3:55] Well,
[3:55] >> okay. So, cut the cobs in half. That's
[3:57] what we need to fill in.
[3:59] >> We can do that, right?
[4:00] >> We got to shuck it. We got to cut them.
[4:02] We got to cook it. We got to get all the
[4:04] pans. We got to get the burners. We got
[4:07] to Well, the do all
[4:09] >> so we can we can have those. I think the
[4:11] city workers will bring down the city,
[4:15] >> the burners. It's people though um
[4:18] getting it hust
[4:23] » and knives.
[4:24] >> You just break.
[4:26] >> A lot of them you can break.
[4:28] >> Yeah, you can.
[4:29] >> We can get Lizzy board.
[4:31] >> How many people do you think you need,
[4:33] Ryan? And we could just say each of us
[4:35] bring so many.
[4:36] >> We had about eight last year I think
[4:39] probably because we had several several
[4:41] city employees came and helped
[4:43] >> I'd say 8 to 10
[4:45] >> I don't have nothing that day I can be
[4:47] there all day
[4:48] >> planning commission people came and
[4:50] helped
[4:50] >> my wife I'm sure she would come and help
[4:53] >> she'll cover it for you I'll do the best
[4:56] I can I promise I'll try and
[4:58] >> I know I know you will
[4:59] >> it would just be nice to know
[5:02] >> well I think we just
[5:03] >> the week before
[5:04] >> yeah just went by the same schedule as
[5:06] last year because we felt like we had a
[5:08] better turnout.
[5:09] >> Okay. Well, that beable that we're going
[5:10] to do that next year while we're here
[5:12] right now just a month ahead.
[5:15] >> It it really did work out really pretty
[5:17] good because there was nothing else and
[5:19] we called it the family dinner night and
[5:21] then we had that dance and
[5:23] >> so how many people do each of us need to
[5:26] bring in?
[5:27] >> What if we each just if you could we
[5:28] could each bring two and we could also
[5:30] ask planning commission what what time
[5:33] of the day did you meet down there to
[5:35] start doing it?
[5:36] like 2:00.
[5:38] >> I think it was like 1 or two.
[5:40] >> So, do you want to say
[5:41] >> What time does dinner start?
[5:42] >> It start dinner starts at 6.
[5:44] >> Yeah, because it don't take long to cook
[5:45] it. We cook.
[5:46] >> Why don't we start? Yeah. I don't know.
[5:47] I was thinking maybe noon that
[5:49] >> I'd rather be rather be ahead.
[5:51] >> I would say by the latest 1:00 probably.
[5:55] >> So, what
[5:56] >> what kind of problem do we run into
[5:59] freshness wise with the corn if we
[6:01] started in the morning when it's a lot
[6:02] cooler? Or is that bad for you guys? I I know it is for you.
[6:07] >> I know. Well, afternoon is going to be
[6:09] better for me because I can probably
[6:12] >> work the morning till 1 and then be off
[6:16] at one.
[6:19] » We did it under We did it last year.
[6:23] >> That big tree. We did it under
[6:24] >> Yeah, we did.
[6:25] >> If we throw it in water, it'll it'll be
[6:27] okay. Cool water.
[6:29] >> Okay.
[6:30] >> And then just How long do we need to
[6:32] cook it?
[6:33] >> Hour. Well, everybody's got their
[6:34] thought, but you know, mine's you bring
[6:36] water to boil, cook it for six minutes,
[6:38] and you're done.
[6:39] >> Yeah.
[6:40] >> Once you boil
[6:40] >> once you get the water boiling, it
[6:42] >> it cooks fast.
[6:42] >> Yeah, I know. Last year we got a problem
[6:44] and then just tossed it in and it went
[6:46] quickly.
[6:47] >> We had in fact um
[6:50] >> planning commissioner was timing it for
[6:52] us. We had four members from the
[6:54] planning commission last year helping
[6:56] us.
[6:57] >> We could start cooking it at five and
[6:59] have enough go.
[7:01] >> Okay. Okay. So, what time did you decide
[7:02] on then for us to be there to start?
[7:03] 1:00.
[7:04] >> I think 1:00 good now.
[7:06] >> Okay.
[7:07] >> I will do like 90% sure I can be there,
[7:10] but
[7:11] >> Okay.
[7:11] >> You know what? If it's a big deal, don't
[7:13] worry about it because we can do it.
[7:14] >> Okay. Ryan, I can remember.
[7:15] >> I can't do it without you, Ryan.
[7:18] >> It's okay.
[7:19] >> Ryan, last year did we So, we talked
[7:21] about whether to get the little
[7:22] individual butters or have butter in a
[7:24] crock pot and dip it in and we couldn't
[7:27] remember. Some thought that the little
[7:28] packs were individual little packs made
[7:32] it more [clears throat] sanitary kept
[7:33] fly.
[7:35] >> Okay. So, so I'll just get the small
[7:37] butter packages.
[7:38] >> Yes.
[7:39] >> Okay. Okay. Um tomatoes still. Are you
[7:43] okay?
[7:44] >> You want to be able to pull through on
[7:45] tomatoes? At least from what we've
[7:47] grown. I I don't know where we're going
[7:48] to find tomatoes this year.
[7:49] >> We'll find tomatoes. It's going to be
[7:51] difficult.
[7:51] >> Kent, we got them from Kent one year.
[7:54] >> Okay. Do you want me to ask Kent? We
[7:56] have an with them.
[7:59] >> Do you remember at all how many we did?
[8:01] I didn't know like a bush. I
[8:04] >> a bushel would be enough. I think
[8:06] >> was it just a half a bushel?
[8:08] >> Could have been.
[8:09] >> Was it a full bush?
[8:10] >> I bet we can put an order in like with
[8:13] Cedar Crest Farms or Venus or somebody.
[8:15] >> Uh probably not. Cedar Crest. I'm not
[8:18] sure.
[8:18] >> I'll talk to
[8:19] >> Peterson. Talk to
[8:20] >> Oh, yeah. I Peterson too. Yeah. Oh, K
[8:23] there's local from
[8:25] >> I'm going to do you down.
[8:26] >> Okay, I'll find I'll How many you want?
[8:28] Half bushel tomatoes. Is that what we're
[8:29] looking for?
[8:30] >> So Ray's there for tomatoes.
[8:32] >> I don't know.
[8:33] >> Half bushel is not that many. Let's do a
[8:34] full bushel.
[8:35] >> Okay, do a bushel and then I think last
[8:38] year Aaron and her mom sliced them, but
[8:40] I I don't know that we can count on
[8:43] that. I mean, we can ask her because
[8:45] Aaron's helping this year with tomato.
[8:47] >> Did you use a slicer one time?
[8:48] >> I've done it every year, but last year.
[8:50] >> Every year, right? the tomatoes with a
[8:52] electric slicer.
[8:54] >> That's a manual
[8:55] >> or manual.
[8:56] >> It works good once you get the process
[8:58] going.
[8:58] >> Do you want me to ask Aaron if she could
[9:00] do help with that or do you
[9:04] >> get somebody to do it?
[9:04] >> Absolutely.
[9:06] Do it.
[9:07] >> Yeah.
[9:08] >> Many hands make light work.
[9:09] >> Okay.
[9:10] >> So, you're going to ask Kent or do you
[9:12] want me to call him?
[9:12] >> Ray said he
[9:13] >> I'll find the
[9:15] Okay. So, then we talked about somewhat
[9:19] >> pink
[9:21] They don't work in the slicer if they're
[9:23] >> It's really really good. [clears throat]
[9:24] >> Yeah.
[9:26] >> Okay.
[9:27] >> I'll figure out
[9:28] >> pinkish.
[9:28] >> Are you still over slicing?
[9:30] >> No.
[9:31] >> That's going right to
[9:33] her.
[9:34] >> Kids, I'd say I'll get the tomatoes.
[9:36] Just won't tell you where.
[9:38] >> You'd have a hard time stealing them
[9:40] this year, Larry. They're not in here.
[9:42] >> Okay. Then we talked about large
[9:43] pickles. They said last year they just
[9:45] had barbecue sauce that was in the
[9:47] bottles that people just put it on it.
[9:49] if they wanted it. Loft House is
[9:51] donating the cookies. We have to pick
[9:53] those up the Tuesday before the um Julie
[9:56] Lloyd is donating the water. The tables
[9:59] will already be down there, but then we
[10:00] just have to set up the tables. Jamie
[10:03] will have tablecloths because she orders
[10:05] those with all of them. And then I'll
[10:06] just go. We thought probably those um
[10:08] clamshell things again. Those were a
[10:11] little easier for parents to help carry.
[10:13] >> So, we'll get those. And then the
[10:15] napkin, silverware. Okay. So, in the
[10:18] past, Well, you know, I should have
[10:20] thought buns. This is just for the
[10:22] dinner. It's not for things.
[10:24] >> Yeah. Only the dinner.
[10:25] >> The rest of tomato days. All you want me
[10:27] to do is get enough just for the dinner.
[10:28] >> Y500.
[10:30] Is that
[10:31] >> Yeah. So, I put down some ideas. We've
[10:34] had help serve before. I don't know who
[10:36] you want to have help serve. We've
[10:39] sometimes, like I said, share a fire or
[10:41] family. Sometimes missionaries have
[10:43] came. And one thing that's really
[10:44] beneficial is we have people there to
[10:46] help carry plates because sometimes
[10:49] you'll have a mom come up and she has
[10:50] three kids so she's trying to carry, you
[10:53] know, four plates. So, do you have a
[10:56] preference over who we ask to come and
[10:59] help serve?
[11:01] >> I've got good connections with the
[11:03] missionaries. I can call them.
[11:05] >> Okay.
[11:05] >> And they might be able to even get the
[11:07] ones from West.
[11:10] They are always looking for service
[11:12] projects. I think I'll miss
[11:16] >> sheriff and fire are always
[11:17] >> Do you want me to ask the sheriff and
[11:19] fire?
[11:20] >> Okay. And then if we have any and if we
[11:22] had missionaries, they could also help
[11:24] carry plates.
[11:25] >> Yes.
[11:26] >> Okay. Um so then [clears throat] there
[11:28] has to be a donation table. So there's a
[11:30] popup. The city has a popup that we can
[11:33] use. We just need to put it up. We put a
[11:35] table underneath it and Jamie will get
[11:38] the cash box. But we need a couple of
[11:39] volunteers sitting there to take the
[11:42] money. So I don't know if any wives want
[11:45] to sit there take the money. If you have
[11:48] kids,
[11:50] anybody
[11:51] >> I can pretty I can get that covered the
[11:53] cash box.
[11:54] >> Okay. You'll cover You'll get the
[11:56] volunteers to take the money.
[11:57] >> Yeah.
[12:00] >> She did.
[12:02] Stan's wife helped.
[12:05] >> Jackie. [clears throat]
[12:07] Okay. Hello. You let us know when you're
[12:09] ready.
[12:10] >> Sure. Yep. Thank you. Okay. And then I
[12:14] just put clean up even though we already
[12:15] know we have to clean up. But is there
[12:17] any other that you that I've missed on
[12:20] this that you can think
[12:23] >> I was there just to serve last year
[12:25] because of other obligations. So I don't
[12:28] even know what uh
[12:30] >> Can you think of anything Ryan or Dell
[12:34] that's done this before that I'm
[12:36] missing?
[12:37] Oh, well, I was going to say salt and
[12:39] pepper, but it's in the packet. We do
[12:41] those napkins that have the salt and
[12:43] pepper in the packet with the
[12:45] silverware.
[12:47] >> How many people did we have come through
[12:49] last year?
[12:50] >> So, we plan on 1500. We we they they
[12:53] completely ran out of the pulp pork last
[12:56] year.
[12:57] >> So, we just did the same number again.
[13:01] 1500 unless you think we should change
[13:03] that. He had a little bit that had
[13:05] scorched in the bottom. So he said he
[13:08] maybe could have had, you know, like he
[13:10] had some in the bottom. He said, "Well,
[13:11] we're not serving."
[13:12] >> Yep. How far did we run out?
[13:15] >> Oh, we were good at the end.
[13:16] >> It was at the very end.
[13:17] >> Okay.
[13:18] >> I mean, I don't I don't wouldn't say we
[13:19] necessarily ran out. I think we just got
[13:21] to the end. And he said, "Well, I still
[13:23] could have served some of this, but it
[13:25] might be a little more."
[13:26] >> So, I do know that there was probably 30
[13:28] or 40 watermelons left over last year.
[13:31] >> I do remember water.
[13:33] >> Okay. All right.
[13:34] >> Because that was just a lot of work
[13:37] >> and it was so much leftover and we're
[13:39] not doing baked beans because it's hard
[13:42] and they're and the baked beans end up
[13:44] more Yeah, they're really expensive.
[13:46] >> They are more expensive than the pulled
[13:47] pork.
[13:48] >> So,
[13:49] >> even though they're good.
[13:51] >> Yeah, they were they were really good.
[13:54] >> Okay. Does this sound like good then?
[13:56] Anything? Because I told Jamie, you
[13:58] know, I make sure we went over this so
[14:00] they don't have to worry about it. is
[14:02] going to be
[14:03] >> so [clears throat] 1:00 and somebody
[14:05] will be there to tell me what to do,
[14:06] right?
[14:08] >> Shut corn. Okay, I can do it.
[14:10] >> I'll bring there was an issue with the
[14:12] tomatoes last year when they sliced
[14:14] them.
[14:15] >> They didn't put them in the tubs and put
[14:17] them in the fridge.
[14:18] >> You know how those little tubs we have?
[14:20] >> Yeah.
[14:21] >> Seems like there's like six or eight of
[14:22] those. [snorts]
[14:24] >> We do have the tubs I think are down in
[14:25] the rodeo.
[14:26] >> They just need to make sure they slice
[14:27] them and get them in the fridge like
[14:29] >> pronto. There are some new health
[14:32] department people.
[14:34] One of them is really really strict,
[14:36] which is okay, but but they they are
[14:40] really So, we just you're right. We need
[14:42] to get them right in the fridge because
[14:44] they actually they for the um queen
[14:47] contest, the junior queen, they actually
[14:49] brought a thermometer, stuck it in the
[14:51] fridge, and said our fridge wasn't cold
[14:54] enough.
[14:57] >> So,
[14:58] >> wow. It's usually [clears throat] The
[15:00] temperature of the pork is what they're
[15:02] worried about.
[15:03] >> Yeah. No, they
[15:03] >> the hot stuff.
[15:04] >> Yeah, they were checking.
[15:05] >> Now they're checking the cold stuff.
[15:07] >> They were checking the fridge
[15:09] that we set up.
[15:14] » So we know we did so we know next year.
[15:16] >> Yes.
[15:17] >> Let's keep track of it.
[15:19] >> Yeah.
[15:21] Okay. So, the next thing we were going
[15:22] to talk about in our work meeting, so
[15:25] Alan Coleman, our um ordinance officer,
[15:29] had came and said, "Some cities have an
[15:32] ordinance that allows us to be able to
[15:34] take care of some of these ordinances."
[15:36] I mentioned that to Darren and lo and
[15:37] behold, he had one.
[15:39] >> Yeah. And I'm happy to talk about it
[15:41] right now. I'm ready.
[15:42] >> Yes. Okay.
[15:43] >> Um so, I've been working on this with
[15:45] South Salt Lake. Their code
[15:48] [clears throat] was not very clear on
[15:52] code enforcement. It was just everywhere
[15:53] throughout the code. So when I created
[15:55] this, it was kind of put all the normal
[15:58] issues the cities deal with all in one
[16:00] spot. And so she asked me this question.
[16:03] I sent it and I hadn't yet looked at our
[16:06] ordinance regarding these issues. And we
[16:09] already have one. We already have a
[16:11] pretty good ordinance for code
[16:13] enforcement. Um so our 941 is actually
[16:18] decent.
[16:20] So I'm wondering what he's saying are
[16:22] the concerns.
[16:24] >> Well, what one thing he he said is some
[16:26] he thought so the city had the ability
[16:29] to be able to put a lean on the prox so
[16:33] we I think it was last year or maybe the
[16:35] year before we kind of beefed up our fee
[16:37] schedule and said they would be charged
[16:39] per day but but then we don't really
[16:41] ever do that. But I thought he said
[16:43] there was some ordinances that actually
[16:46] the city could do an abatement and
[16:49] without having to like having to go to
[16:52] court or pay.
[16:53] >> Correct.
[16:53] >> And ours already says that
[16:55] >> ours already has we [clears throat]
[16:56] already have an abatement procedure.
[16:58] >> So if somebody is given notice that they
[17:01] have that longer than what's required
[17:04] for a code or if they have waste that's
[17:06] being kept in their yard, we can give
[17:08] them notice and we can go in and
[17:11] actually abate the property and charge
[17:13] them for the abatement.
[17:15] >> Okay. Okay. And then at the same time,
[17:17] our code has an ability to give
[17:18] citations daily per the fee schedule. So
[17:22] I'm wondering
[17:23] >> who gives those citations. It would just
[17:25] come from the office.
[17:26] >> The county it could be an enforcement
[17:29] official. So it could be any person that
[17:31] works for the city that's designated as
[17:33] the enforcement official. I have to look
[17:34] at the definition for that for our code.
[17:36] Usually it's anybody that works for the
[17:37] city.
[17:38] >> Okay.
[17:38] >> Um but we've hired somebody from the
[17:40] county.
[17:43] >> They would be our un enforcement
[17:45] official that could issue citations,
[17:48] >> okay,
[17:49] >> for all of these things that are in his
[17:52] code. So, I maybe I need to talk to him
[17:55] and see what his concern is and what's
[17:57] lacking.
[17:58] >> I'll send you I'll send you his
[17:59] information, his email and his phone
[18:02] number and that would probably be good
[18:03] because he maybe has he he is really and
[18:07] he's he's wants to come to one of our
[18:08] meetings, but six o'clock he doesn't
[18:11] want to come. if if we could do it
[18:13] earlier in the day, he would sooner
[18:15] because it's, you know, he's off work.
[18:17] I'll tell you though, he is doing a
[18:18] great job. One thing that he's doing
[18:20] differently that Iris did as he will
[18:22] actually meet with the people and they
[18:24] will come in, we sit down and meet like
[18:26] there's that um property, you probably
[18:29] all know which one I'm referring to,
[18:30] that's up closer to, you know, Emma
[18:33] Russell. And so they came in and and we
[18:35] actually he said, you know, this is a
[18:37] guideline. Um, waste management has got
[18:40] given a dumpster and she's already
[18:42] filled it twice and has dumped it twice
[18:45] and waste management is paying for that.
[18:47] But he does that. He sets up
[18:49] appointments and they come in and meet
[18:51] and then you know I it seems to be going
[18:53] better because then there's a little bit
[18:55] of accountability on the people's part
[18:57] and it's been really good. He also has
[19:00] some though that he has gone to meet
[19:01] with they won't answer the door, won't
[19:03] answer his letters and then that's what
[19:06] he said now what do I do? So these are
[19:08] based off citizens complaints.
[19:10] >> Citizens complaints.
[19:12] >> So they won't respond. But then he
[19:13] hasn't issued him a citation.
[19:15] >> Well, he hasn't because he didn't I
[19:18] don't think he realized that he had that
[19:20] ability to
[19:20] >> Well, our code enforcement official
[19:22] should be very much aware of our code
[19:25] because that's what they're enforcing.
[19:27] >> Okay.
[19:27] >> Um so yeah, I'll have to meet with him.
[19:30] >> Okay. if there's specific things that
[19:31] he's saying like, "Oh, I wish we had
[19:34] because that code that I've provided
[19:35] with South Salt Lake has a lot of
[19:37] different tools and I mean we could add
[19:38] them in here." Um, but we this is pretty
[19:41] good.
[19:41] >> You think ours is a good enough
[19:44] >> unless there's issues we're dealing with
[19:45] that are different. Like if we're
[19:46] dealing with just weeds, if we're
[19:48] dealing with waste in people's property,
[19:50] if if there's something more complicated
[19:52] than that, then let me know and we can
[19:53] make changes here. But I think that this
[19:55] is pretty this is sufficient. A code
[19:57] enforcement officer should come in with
[19:59] this and have
[20:02] ample tools to get work done in code
[20:05] enforcement.
[20:06] >> Well, he's he's extremely organized. He
[20:08] said when he took over, maybe I've
[20:10] already told you this, he was handed
[20:11] this files and said, "Here you go." And
[20:15] he said, "I don't work like that." So
[20:17] when he comes, they're all organized,
[20:19] all alphabetical. He has pictures. He
[20:22] He's really good.
[20:23] >> Who is it?
[20:23] >> Um his name is Alan Coleman. And
[20:27] contract with him with Weber County
[20:30] >> and he's he's doing a great job.
[20:32] >> So, he's the county guy.
[20:33] >> He's the county. But but we also have
[20:35] other ones that I don't know if they
[20:37] necessarily fall within this because we
[20:39] have we've had quite a few complaints
[20:42] about semis being parked on the side of
[20:44] the road.
[20:46] >> I was just going to say, is there a
[20:47] parking um code fall under this code as
[20:51] well?
[20:52] >> There might be except parking
[20:55] >> this is for this chapter. Um, but I'll
[20:59] look at
[20:59] >> because we do have a parking ordinance
[21:00] that we just talked about two or three
[21:02] years ago
[21:04] um that was
[21:07] created to make some teeth for the
[21:09] sheriff's department basically.
[21:11] >> And it's it's based on a complaint thing
[21:14] too. Somebody has to complain in order
[21:16] >> for it to be
[21:17] >> I'll have to look at that. I didn't know
[21:18] that that was specific issue but I can
[21:20] look at that.
[21:21] >> Especially in the winter time
[21:22] >> I mean it is like so cities will usually
[21:25] section that says
[21:28] enforcement officials can enforce any
[21:30] violation of our code total and this is
[21:34] more specific which isn't terrible but
[21:36] it's more specific about the common
[21:39] problems the cities have so I can look
[21:42] into that further
[21:43] >> okay well I will I'll give you his
[21:44] information because he made it sound
[21:46] because I think they do are I think he's
[21:49] pretty aware of ours but I don't think
[21:50] he felt like or maybe he was asking me
[21:53] too who is the one that does that I I
[21:55] don't know if he thought he was one that
[21:56] is supposed to be doing that or if that
[21:59] was somebody that we're supposed to in
[22:00] the city and I I didn't know who that
[22:02] person would be that could actually
[22:04] issue tickets.
[22:05] >> So he's 9 to5 with Weaver County Monday
[22:07] through Friday.
[22:08] >> And when does he do ours?
[22:10] >> Um no we contract he he's out here
[22:14] during the day. I don't think he is 9
[22:15] to5.
[22:16] >> He just responds on violations.
[22:18] >> So we count
[22:20] >> for anybody who contract
[22:21] >> for anybody who is the county guy I
[22:24] think. So, I'm just trying to think if
[22:25] he's full time with Wever County, how
[22:26] does he have time to do our stuff?
[22:28] >> Yeah, he he comes here quite often.
[22:31] >> I think he just comes here when he has a
[22:32] complaint. I don't think we have a lot
[22:34] of complaints,
[22:35] >> but is he on their dime at the same
[22:36] time?
[22:37] >> Not sure how he gets paid.
[22:39] [clears throat and cough]
[22:39] >> I don't know that.
[22:40] >> And that might fall under law
[22:41] enforcement, too. That's possible.
[22:43] >> Yeah. And law enforcement usually covers
[22:45] parking issues
[22:46] >> as well. So, was that how it was?
[22:49] >> That's what it's been in the past.
[22:51] >> Well, and Ryan, we we could even And we don't see in our budget where we're
[22:56] paying him. So we don't know where we
[22:58] don't know where it's lumped in with if
[23:00] it's something else with Weaver County.
[23:03] >> Mess it up.
[23:06] » I mean it has to be
[23:08] >> it has to be something with the
[23:09] sheriff's contract. I mean it has to be
[23:11] lumped in with some of our Weaver County
[23:13] services is what I'm saying. It's not a
[23:15] separate contract I don't believe with
[23:17] him. I think it's in with some of our
[23:19] Weber County
[23:21] >> and that's probably why he can come.
[23:23] Okay.
[23:23] >> But is there any other concerns code
[23:25] enforcement wise that's on the agenda?
[23:27] Is there anything else that
[23:30] there's an issue?
[23:32] >> I think our code is pretty good.
[23:34] >> Yeah, I read through that one there and
[23:36] holy smokes. If everybody started
[23:38] complaining about everything in that
[23:40] code, uh, he couldn't do it in a nineto
[23:43] five.
[23:44] >> And it's it's more giving tools and
[23:46] options for a code enforcement officer.
[23:48] >> Okay.
[23:48] >> I'm excited that we actually have a code
[23:50] that you think is good.
[23:53] How often you see noise ordinances for
[23:57] noise violation?
[24:00] >> Do we not have one?
[24:01] >> I don't think we have one.
[24:02] >> I see that.
[24:05] >> We have some some complaints currently
[24:07] relating to that
[24:09] >> noise as far as what kind of noise
[24:13] [clears throat]
[24:13] >> huh?
[24:14] >> Traps.
[24:15] >> Oh, like engine brakes or something?
[24:17] Because we we have one
[24:18] >> cow's moving. We've had a component.
[24:20] >> We We have one if someone's have, you
[24:22] know, having a party going on.
[24:24] >> Yeah. And that's and that's worked.
[24:26] >> We have We have some occasionally loud
[24:29] music in my area in my house that you
[24:31] can hear from
[24:33] >> in your house.
[24:34] >> In the area around my house,
[24:37] >> I didn't know if that's where it
[24:38] originated.
[24:43] » Are they next to a farm?
[24:45] >> It's a commercial property. He has a
[24:48] park.
[24:49] a parking facility starting trucks early
[24:52] in the morning. Okay. So, I was just
[24:54] looking at how that code or not from
[24:57] land use. I think they can do it, but
[25:02] » Okay. Well, that's good. I'll get
[25:04] >> That's a good question. How would we
[25:06] enforce that
[25:08] on that law?
[25:12] » Is there any city council reports?
[25:14] Anybody had anything? Well, I don't have
[25:15] anything that's a report, but is
[25:17] everybody getting these complaints that
[25:20] we're not paying attention to?
[25:22] >> Hey, let's not We don't need to bring
[25:23] that up here. I would I would advise you
[25:25] that we don't need to bring that up.
[25:28] >> So, do we do we put it on
[25:31] >> I mean,
[25:34] you just don't want me to answer.
[25:36] [laughter]
[25:38] So, you know what I'm So, you're
[25:39] familiar with what we're talking about,
[25:41] but it it keeps coming up and we're not
[25:44] >> I have addressed it in this meeting
[25:46] already. I've addressed it. We put it on
[25:48] the agenda once and we addressed it. If
[25:51] it's something that you want to discuss,
[25:52] you can put it on the agenda and you
[25:54] have an avenue to put it on the agenda.
[25:55] It's not on there now. So, I would
[25:57] advise that we don't talk about it.
[25:59] [clears throat]
[26:01] >> Okay.
[26:04] So, on our next meeting, not the
[26:07] work meeting. We didn't get this put in
[26:10] the packet. So, I didn't know. Darren, I
[26:12] was going to ask you if we can still
[26:14] discuss it and we can pass this out.
[26:16] This was that transportation impact fee,
[26:18] but because we didn't get it put in the
[26:20] packet, do we need to wait and do that
[26:22] at another meeting or can we pass this
[26:25] out now? I didn't know.
[26:27] >> Um I mean, I prefer that if we have
[26:30] anything that's going to open up for
[26:31] discussion
[26:32] >> that it gets put on the agenda.
[26:34] >> It's on the agenda. It's on the regular
[26:37] meeting agenda. This year just didn't
[26:39] get put in the packet. So, can we just
[26:41] give this
[26:42] >> It just needs to be um provided if it's
[26:46] being provided here. So, just have
[26:48] provided
[26:49] in the minutes.
[26:50] >> Is it a way that we could put it up on
[26:52] the screen?
[26:55] >> It was It was just a
[26:58] >> Okay. Yeah, then we'll just put it up.
[27:00] Okay. We'll let everybody just take one
[27:01] now then because um Anyway. Okay.
[27:05] So, if no one has any city council
[27:08] reports, we have the Terara Strada and
[27:12] AWA here with us and they're going to
[27:15] have some time that we can sit around
[27:17] the table and discuss
[27:21] >> fill in.
[27:23] I walked in the other room.
[27:25] >> I saw the popcorn and I thought, "What
[27:27] the heck?" You know,
[27:28] >> sometimes we get popcorn to eat and it's
[27:31] really good.
[27:33] I was I grabbed a couple of things.
[27:35] >> Staff makes great popcorn. There should
[27:37] be some cups in there.
[27:39] >> I hope I don't get
[27:41] you.
[27:42] >> Nunch.
[27:58] Well, we'll just turn the time over to
[28:00] you to kind of walk us through this. And
[28:03] this is a time for council to ask any
[28:06] questions. And this will come before the
[28:09] council in a few weeks. It'll be on the
[28:12] next planning commission meeting. And so
[28:15] we thought it would be a good idea. They
[28:16] sat down for about an hour with planning
[28:18] commission. I thought that was really
[28:20] beneficial because then it was more of a
[28:22] chance to be able to ask questions,
[28:23] discuss things, and
[28:26] Before Troy starts, I just maybe say
[28:29] something. You know, we're This is We
[28:32] know this is new for the city. We've
[28:34] been at it for a while, so we know it's
[28:36] new.
[28:37] Haven't had a retail store like this in
[28:39] the city.
[28:41] And so,
[28:43] your staff's been really good. It's an
[28:46] effort in your new
[28:49] trying to redo development, make sure we
[28:52] do it right. And so,
[28:56] has been great through a lot and we're
[28:59] kind of creating a will together.
[29:02] I'm just saying
[29:06] Detroit talks about it a little bit, but
[29:09] it's really fortunate we have a probably
[29:14] more of these type of things in the
[29:15] state than any other engineering and
[29:18] he's worked for a couple.
[29:26] Anyway, [clears throat] I just want to
[29:27] thank let's get going here and those
[29:32] been a it's been quite a process. So,
[29:34] thank you.
[29:34] >> Okay,
[29:37] >> we I thought it would be helpful just to
[29:39] kind of start at the beginning of the
[29:40] story and answer some of the questions
[29:42] about why are we even doing this? So, I
[29:46] started with the general plan future
[29:48] land use element and just as just I
[29:52] think everybody's familiar with the
[29:53] general plan. The planning commission's
[29:55] been working that over in every meeting
[29:57] is [clears throat] what does the general
[29:58] plan say and that that's just the read
[30:01] off document for them. So, here's the
[30:03] general plan and the property in
[30:04] question shown in the red box and this
[30:06] is what it says today. Now, today
[30:09] there's a red portion and that's
[30:11] commercial out front and so that use is
[30:13] listed there. And in the back it's
[30:15] purple which up there refers to 3/4 acre
[30:18] lots. And so that is if we wanted to
[30:21] move forward with a reszone, we wouldn't
[30:24] have to do a general plan amendment. But
[30:26] if for this particular project, there's
[30:28] interest in a general plan amendment.
[30:30] And what that really does is says we
[30:33] want to expand the commercial a little
[30:35] further back from what was previously
[30:37] pictured and then add some highdensity
[30:40] residential in the back piece. And the
[30:43] interesting
[30:44] >> careful with the high this is
[30:46] >> I'm using I'm using [clears throat]
[30:48] Yeah, it's true. I'm just using their
[30:50] words and I'm using it from their code.
[30:53] That way I'm not talking a different and I'll clarify when we say highdensity
[30:58] residential what we mean. There's a
[31:01] portion of that that would be covered
[31:02] under the R3 zone which would be
[31:06] third acre lots essentially or 13,000
[31:08] square foot minimums and then we would
[31:10] have the PUD portion of the zone that
[31:13] currently exists in the city and then we
[31:16] are looking to use the patio portion of
[31:18] the zone as well. So, one of the
[31:21] challenges with the general plan is it
[31:23] doesn't look to utilize existing zoning
[31:28] code within the city. So, what we're part of what we're trying to
[31:32] do is just ask for the ability to amend
[31:36] the general plan to [clears throat] be
[31:37] able to set up the future land use with
[31:40] the uses that the city currently has.
[31:43] Okay. So, that's that's the general plan
[31:46] amendment part. Why is there a general
[31:48] plan amendment? Because we want the
[31:50] future land use element to reflect what
[31:54] the next part is, which would be the
[31:56] change.
[31:57] >> So, talking about the greater I will
[31:59] just for a second.
[32:00] >> I was going to do that next. So, you're
[32:03] >> uh we were we were here a while ago, but
[32:08] there's another landowner in the area
[32:11] that's not part of the the estate that
[32:13] we're buying, and she indicated she
[32:17] wanted to sell her seven or eight acres.
[32:20] She's always been kind of hesitant to do
[32:22] it. We didn't want to do that, but she
[32:24] indicated she would like to do that. So,
[32:26] we have actually included that in this
[32:28] process. So, we didn't anticipate it or
[32:32] we didn't know how exactly we would use
[32:34] it. [clears throat] Uh you're going to
[32:36] see on a plan that we're trying to
[32:37] extend our commercial over there as we
[32:39] talk I think in meetings like this. It
[32:43] really makes the the retail
[32:46] better and more valuable. Meaning that
[32:49] when you bring a power center is a
[32:52] bigger center and it has more
[32:56] each each store does better just because
[32:58] there's more volume to it and so it's
[33:01] better if the size just a touch bigger.
[33:03] So we've actually put some pad retail
[33:06] out there but we uh we had some
[33:11] in order to in order to move that retail
[33:14] really to the west probably We're
[33:16] looking for
[33:19] I don't know whether Cal Ranch you got up the street. I don't think
[33:23] they'll come. We don't know if we can
[33:25] get a real another mid box anchor to go
[33:30] to the side of Smith. But last time we
[33:34] were here I think with Stephen some of
[33:35] the planning commission members there
[33:36] was a thought that it would probably
[33:39] preferable if we can get it done. So,
[33:41] we've allowed the green to be what we're
[33:44] referring to as a mixed [clears throat]
[33:45] use for a period of time, and we would
[33:49] during this period of time go out and
[33:51] try to find a user for that area. If we
[33:54] couldn't, we probably use it as
[33:56] residential, but so it it can float back
[33:59] and forth between uh retail and
[34:03] residential, and we just haven't had
[34:06] time to find out if there's a demand for
[34:08] it. So, that's the reason
[34:11] use.
[34:11] >> So these two colors and uses don't
[34:15] currently currently exist in the general
[34:17] plan. So that's what we're proposing to
[34:19] add. And then these colors are
[34:22] correspond. And the mixed uses it could
[34:25] be residential, it could be commercial
[34:27] depending on if we can get the
[34:28] commercial to fill that out or it will
[34:31] be residential. And again, maybe the
[34:33] response from the city council is we
[34:35] don't want that.
[34:37] >> That's the direction we're looking for.
[34:39] We're just give us that feedback. Okay.
[34:43] Uh then next, so this would be and uh
[34:47] Darren can correct me if I'm wrong, but
[34:48] general plans are typically amended by
[34:51] resolution. Is that right? Good enough.
[34:54] So what you'll see first
[34:57] item on your agenda planning commission
[34:58] would see similar plan for the planning
[35:01] commission be recommend amending the
[35:03] general plan to what we're asking for
[35:06] and that would be to then they would
[35:08] forward a recommendation to approve the
[35:09] resolution and then the first item on
[35:12] the agenda would be for the city council
[35:14] to consider approving the resolution to
[35:16] amend the general plan. That's just step
[35:18] one
[35:19] >> and they can approve it as approved.
[35:21] >> Yeah. And if you if the direction from
[35:24] the city council is we don't want to
[35:27] amend the general plan to this then we
[35:30] know what we need to know. You don't
[35:32] want to go forward with the next step
[35:33] which would be the reason and that's the
[35:36] next step.
[35:38] So in the reszone I've got some names up
[35:41] here that are a little bit different and
[35:42] that and I'll explain why that is but
[35:45] what we're proposing for our site plan
[35:47] is to have the R3 around the outside.
[35:51] Now, these folks up here, they're asking
[35:54] for their property be reszoned, but they
[35:56] don't want to be part of the
[35:57] development. So, I just stuck a
[35:59] culde-sac in there to say, "Here's what
[36:01] it could develop." They've come back and
[36:03] said, "Please take that off. We don't
[36:06] want to have a culde-sac on that
[36:07] property." So, when I when we come back
[36:09] the next time, you won't see that. Just
[36:12] want to be
[36:13] >> So, they want it reszoned, but they
[36:16] don't want to culde us out. So, what are
[36:18] they going to do then? They they are
[36:21] requesting access from 47 up for their
[36:24] property
[36:25] >> to for that road to go straight through.
[36:27] >> No, it would just if they might have
[36:29] like two halfacre lots or something
[36:32] right here and their driveways would
[36:33] just come out to 4700. No road at all.
[36:36] So this little stub street, we're just
[36:38] going to have a knuckle like the one
[36:40] over here.
[36:42] And that way the road can just turn a
[36:44] corner and come down here. No stub. Now,
[36:48] we know that Hooker Water has a piece of
[36:51] land up here and they're developing a
[36:53] well there and they're asking for access
[36:56] and we need a place to discharge when
[36:58] our when we pump the waste from our
[36:59] well, we need a storm drain line to go
[37:01] into and so forth. We haven't met with
[37:03] them yet because there's really no sense
[37:05] talking to them about having a stub road
[37:08] or even getting water service until we
[37:10] know that there's interest in amending
[37:12] the general plan and then taking the
[37:14] next step of the ordinance, which would
[37:16] be res.
[37:18] Okay. So, step two on if if I'm
[37:22] visualizing the agenda, item B probably
[37:25] would be for the planning commission to
[37:28] consider uh make filing a recommendation
[37:31] to the city council to reszone the
[37:34] property. And that's after they've now
[37:37] there's going to be huge discussion. I
[37:38] get that the public hearing and so
[37:40] forth, but when they're making their
[37:41] motions, they would then they make a
[37:45] recommendation the general plan, then
[37:48] the next motion could be to make a
[37:50] recommendation to resz on the property
[37:53] and then that forwards that to you as
[37:55] well. Then the third item, they
[37:58] [clears throat] kind of need to all be
[37:59] together because they run together, is
[38:02] the recommendation to approve the master
[38:05] development agreement if it's the
[38:07] planning commission. And then here it
[38:09] would be the recommendation to approve
[38:10] the master development agreement with
[38:12] the city council. And the three, like I
[38:14] say, they kind of run together like I
[38:18] don't want to approve the like one of
[38:20] you may feel I don't want to vote to
[38:24] approve the master development agreement
[38:25] as it's currently written.
[38:28] That's the kind of the purpose of the
[38:29] feedback, the public hearing and so
[38:31] forth is we need direction. Now, at the
[38:33] city council level, if if the majority
[38:36] do not find that they would like to
[38:39] approve, we would ask perhaps
[38:41] tableabling rather than denying in the
[38:44] interest of understanding what the
[38:46] concerns are. We would like the sign to
[38:49] be shorter. We want the fences to be
[38:52] tall. We want the landscape buffer to be
[38:54] wider. all these details in this
[38:58] development agreement which we're really
[39:00] proposing because the current code lacks
[39:05] the detail to manage a development on
[39:08] the part of the staff. And so what we're
[39:11] trying to get into the master
[39:12] development agreement is a code with
[39:15] more detail than the current code
[39:17] provides that enables this project to be
[39:20] able to be developed and come back
[39:22] >> the city.
[39:23] >> Yeah. Well, sure. and and that would be
[39:26] >> and gives direction.
[39:28] >> Yeah. So that we're not just it's not
[39:30] the wild west. We've got guidelines and
[39:33] design standards and all that kind of
[39:35] stuff. Okay. And so we would have the
[39:37] red that you saw previously in the
[39:39] general plan. We'd still be asking for
[39:41] that with with more particularly a zone
[39:44] to the C2 community zone that again
[39:47] already exists in your code. The flex
[39:50] mixed use space which we talked about
[39:52] here. showing a portion in residential
[39:54] and then there's a little bit of the
[39:56] commercial that goes back there. But if
[39:58] a bigger user came in that would just
[40:00] expand further.
[40:02] >> You guys be agreeable to the primary
[40:04] design being commercial since that's the
[40:07] goal and then we could have
[40:09] >> we could we could we could change this
[40:11] concept or I think it's called a design
[40:13] whatever it's called in the development
[40:15] agreement that is basically the concept
[40:17] plan we're going to agree to. If you'd
[40:19] prefer that to be shown in commercial,
[40:21] we can show it. I don't think that's
[40:26] the goal.
[40:28] That
[40:29] >> commercial.
[40:29] >> That's the direction we're looking for
[40:31] because I'm looking at the council, too,
[40:33] making sure there's shaking hands. So,
[40:39] >> sorry, didn't mean to interrupt, but I
[40:40] know at that last planning commission
[40:42] meeting, there was a resident that spoke
[40:44] with you after that. Her the west side
[40:48] where it now shows a survey
[40:53] commercial right up next to her.
[40:56] >> Can you point to our house
[41:00] [clears throat]
[41:02] right there?
[41:06] » She might give me her name or this one.
[41:11] >> She's not her name.
[41:16] >> She's from Nottingham, England. tell you
[41:17] that I don't remember her name.
[41:19] >> So, so I think they would be fine if
[41:21] maybe there was some more commercial,
[41:23] but they she does not want her backyard.
[41:26] >> She doesn't want commercial in her
[41:28] backyard.
[41:28] >> So, I got I got Whitney Lynch.
[41:31] >> No, I'm sorry.
[41:32] >> No, it's further.
[41:34] >> Is it the marker?
[41:36] >> Kristen Marker, Wayne and Tracy
[41:38] Woodward.
[41:40] >> Woodward.
[41:40] >> Okay. So, let me show you Troy.
[41:43] There's there's a stuff road and there's
[41:47] culde-sac coming in or around.
[41:49] >> Oh, okay. And they're on the culac
[41:50] >> and they're and they're on the
[41:51] culde-sac. Okay. Okay. They're on the
[41:53] not the culde-sac. The the knob.
[41:57] >> So, she was she was pretty clear. If
[41:59] there's residential in the backyard, I'm okay.
[42:02] >> I'm bringing out all my pitchforks.
[42:06] If it's commercial, then the pitchforks
[42:08] are coming out. So, that that's just one
[42:10] person's vote.
[42:11] >> Commercial isn't going to extend that
[42:13] far no matter what.
[42:14] >> Yeah, I don't think so.
[42:16] I'm showing on the corner lot in the
[42:18] blue if you point to it Malcolm or
[42:20] somebody can the very corner lot that's
[42:23] a residential then hers that's really
[42:25] not how it is because it's a knuckle
[42:27] there
[42:28] >> but that's her lot and then the next lot
[42:30] is her city
[42:34] » there's a bigger open field there's a
[42:36] house and then a field I want to say
[42:40] >> so the first one
[42:42] >> first one
[42:43] >> you can see it there
[42:44] >> faces their house north her house
[42:47] >> corner house hers.
[42:51] » So the bottom line is that grain doesn't
[42:53] affect her anyway.
[42:54] >> Yeah.
[42:56] >> Let's move on.
[42:57] >> No, but I just wanted to express that.
[42:58] >> I think the idea of a residential buffer
[43:01] though is well taken. We thought like
[43:04] maybe that does maintain [clears throat]
[43:05] to an extent there's commercial within.
[43:08] >> She's one of those that has been there
[43:10] since the very first meeting we ever
[43:11] had.
[43:12] >> So she's very involved. So Uh we'll do whatever you want. You've got
[43:17] to deal with the uh with the neighbors.
[43:20] Okay. We'll we'll move ahead. So that's
[43:22] kind of your call and we'll do it.
[43:24] >> So that's
[43:25] >> But it looks like you still would have
[43:26] some room to put commercial there.
[43:32] » Probably just we probably just cover
[43:34] that green area commercial. Is that what
[43:35] you're saying?
[43:37] >> And then the col.
[43:42] » There was also talk about combining the
[43:43] green with the detention.
[43:46] >> Yeah, we're working on that. So, I don't
[43:48] know. But that that's probably
[43:51] >> we don't know. We're trying
[43:52] >> that came up last time.
[43:54] >> We're trying to
[43:57] We're bouncing a little bit here, but uh
[44:00] we're done at Geotech and we're right.
[44:03] We need to get on the
[44:05] >> Yeah, they're they're trying to mobilize
[44:07] the drill right now
[44:08] >> and we're also doing a survey.
[44:11] I don't know.
[44:15] Well,
[44:16] >> so
[44:17] >> pretty flat.
[44:18] >> Is there an estimate of how many people
[44:20] this will bring in
[44:22] >> as far as
[44:26] this this density currently is about 115
[44:29] a month?
[44:31] >> 115.
[44:32] >> Sorry. 115.
[44:34] >> Yeah. What do they figure?
[44:35] >> So it's going to be less than a
[44:36] thousand.
[44:37] >> Yeah. The average household in Utah is
[44:39] under four. because I I know there's a
[44:42] lot of people that I've talked to that
[44:44] want more green space, but if you go
[44:46] into our general plan, it says per
[44:49] thousand people uh six uh
[44:56] was it six acres? Uh or not six acres.
[45:02] So
[45:02] >> anyway, with the green space and with
[45:05] that detention pond would be more than
[45:08] what we have throughout Hooper already.
[45:10] So uh
[45:12] >> you know so so we've got this just under
[45:15] an acre, 40,000 square ft.
[45:17] >> And then there is this detention pond
[45:19] area over here, but we're not far enough
[45:21] along to know even how big the detention
[45:23] pond needs to be. Usually it's about
[45:26] 4,000 cubic feet per acre on commercial
[45:28] development and we've got 24ish acres of
[45:33] commercial currently shown. So it's a
[45:35] pretty good sized detention
[45:38] that we've got to get.
[45:39] >> So if you do three per home, it's 300.
[45:42] If you do four per
[45:45] >> Yeah. So uh and so we would like to try
[45:49] to move the detention pond further
[45:52] north, but we have you can't get water
[45:55] to run the field unless you put a pump
[45:56] on it. [clears throat] So we're trying
[46:00] We're looking at grades. We don't know
[46:02] where to put the detention on until we
[46:04] get those grades. So, we like to move as
[46:06] far north as we can.
[46:07] >> So, for the locals that are familiar,
[46:09] there's a corn plant right here. And
[46:12] when I went over there last Thursday,
[46:14] there was about two maybe three inches
[46:17] of water. It was irrigated even though
[46:19] the corn's well past corn. Um, but that
[46:22] water was clear over here in the up. So,
[46:27] that says to me, I'm just from beauty.
[46:31] Uh that ground's pretty flat.
[46:33] >> It's very flat. [laughter]
[46:34] >> Yeah. And what's interesting is there's
[46:36] a massive BM along this side in order to
[46:40] get the water high enough to be able to
[46:42] get around the property and keep it so
[46:44] that it slopes so it can be flood
[46:45] irrigated. Obviously
[46:50] pioneers to obviously be able to flood
[46:52] irrigate. And there's going to have to
[46:53] be some grading done here to be able to
[46:56] get this thing.
[46:57] >> How deep would the retention pond be?
[47:00] It would I would recommend that it not
[47:02] be closer than 3 ft to the groundwater
[47:04] elevation because we don't want it to
[47:05] grow cattails
[47:07] and that's a challenge in a lot of areas
[47:09] out here. So that's part of the geotech
[47:12] report. It's going to tell me how deep
[47:14] the groundwater table is so we can start
[47:16] working.
[47:16] >> It's not going to be very accurate this
[47:18] year though unfortunately.
[47:19] >> No. And that's the other reason for the
[47:21] three-foot recommendation is it does
[47:23] allow for some variation. U the other
[47:25] question we need to look at Troy told
[47:28] you this is we I like landings if we can
[47:32] ever get them in
[47:36] » the ground
[47:41] » I don't know if there's anywhere
[47:43] >> the probably this ditch over here the
[47:45] problem is
[47:47] >> if yeah if the ditch backs up and again
[47:51] this is detail that I haven't had a
[47:52] chance to learn
[47:54] But if the ditch backs up then obviously
[47:56] it's backing up the land drain. Yeah,
[47:57] you can put flappers on them and all
[47:59] that kind of stuff but
[48:01] >> good because they they don't
[48:06] » so that's detail that we could
[48:08] potentially look at. We just aren't
[48:11] [clears throat]
[48:11] >> I think the next step just to visualize
[48:13] further trade details will then come at
[48:15] a plat approval.
[48:18] >> We've done we spent a lot of money in
[48:20] the last two months
[48:21] >> but you guys the council council needs
[48:24] to get the look and the feel and the
[48:26] aesthetics and the parking requirements
[48:27] and the density down the zoning specific
[48:30] items and then engineering down at level
[48:34] again.
[48:35] >> So, so what we're basically saying is if
[48:38] there's interest in the reszone then we
[48:40] move to the master development agreement
[48:42] which is going to provide that design
[48:43] guide document and establish a lot of
[48:46] the parameters associated with how the
[48:47] project [snorts] will develop. Then
[48:50] we've got a commitment if those things
[48:52] are approved so that Stuart can work
[48:56] with other people to move forward with
[48:59] the project. And they have they they're
[49:01] like, "Okay, it makes more sense to
[49:03] spend some money. Let's decide what the
[49:05] risks are. Troy, go do your stuff. Bring
[49:08] back a big list of problems and with a
[49:10] big list of solutions and how much do
[49:12] those solutions cost and so forth. And
[49:14] then with that number of units, the
[49:17] commercial square footage, potential
[49:19] yield, and so forth, they can sit down
[49:21] and work out a budget and say, "Does
[49:23] this thing even pencil? Does it even
[49:25] make sense for us to move forward?" And
[49:27] that's where there's some hesitancy
[49:28] right now to spend a ton of money and
[49:30] answer all these questions because they
[49:33] don't know if it can hesitate
[49:36] [clears throat]
[49:38] engineer have any I'm not engineer, the
[49:40] attorney have any comments, whatever.
[49:44] You've set the steps as I imagined they
[49:48] would be and they they have to be.
[49:50] >> Yeah.
[49:51] >> I think we're there
[49:52] >> and there's been a lot of why are we
[49:54] even doing this? I I know and I know the
[49:56] citizenry are are further removed and I mean no disrespect at all. I just
[50:02] wanted to go through the process and try
[50:05] to very simply explain why are we even
[50:08] doing this because I know you know
[50:10] Darren's very clear. looks to me like
[50:12] based on the future land you sell under
[50:14] the general plan, you need to amend the
[50:15] general plan. And I say, "Yep, that's
[50:17] what anybody else would require."
[50:19] >> So, it's not foreign to me, but it's
[50:21] just foreign to a lot of folks because
[50:23] it's some people have said, "Well, we've allowed a a a more dense
[50:28] development to be approved and we
[50:30] haven't amended the general plan." Well,
[50:32] you have good legal counsel now. Maybe
[50:34] you didn't have that before. I don't I
[50:35] don't know how that happened before,
[50:38] >> but anyway, enough. So, so here's what
[50:41] we're asking for the highdensity
[50:43] residential. You can see I put in
[50:44] parentheses over there what it means.
[50:46] Now, this is what again this is wording
[50:48] from your code. And and then I just
[50:51] wanted to point out the next
[50:53] >> R3 patio.
[50:55] >> Yeah. And so the next plan kind of gives
[50:57] a little bit more of that design
[51:00] document. Here's the R3 R3 lot. It's a
[51:03] 13,000 foot minimum, which is what's
[51:05] required in the code. What we don't what
[51:08] we're asking for as a differential from
[51:10] the current code is instead of providing
[51:12] a 100 foot of lot frontage we would like
[51:15] we're asking for to be able to provide
[51:17] 85 and so it's a little bit narrower lot
[51:21] than we would typically see
[51:24] garage
[51:24] >> but there's yeah with 85 there's still
[51:26] enough room for a three garage [cough]
[51:29] then the next step down there's been
[51:31] some that have said well hey I thought
[51:33] this was going to be patio homes so I
[51:35] said okay if it is patio homes homes.
[51:37] Here's a patio home and it has four
[51:40] adjoined units that are conjoined. Okay?
[51:43] So, it's a bigger structure, a little
[51:46] less maybe open space associated with
[51:48] it, but that's what a lot would look
[51:51] like if it were patio homes. Now, over
[51:54] here we have individual cottage lots.
[51:56] There's been some references to JDC
[51:59] Ranch to say, "Well, we like the little
[52:01] houses. They're cute. Twostory. A young
[52:03] family can move in there. Everybody can
[52:04] see what that looks like. And this just
[52:07] kind of shows what cottage lots look
[52:09] like. And [cough] in the JDBC
[52:11] [clears throat] Ranch, four units are
[52:14] connected to a private driveway. We're
[52:16] asking for six. Just some of the depth
[52:18] and narrowness of the property. We're
[52:20] just asking for a little bit of a
[52:22] difference there.
[52:23] >> Question.
[52:23] >> Yeah.
[52:24] >> What would you estimate
[52:26] a house on one of those house and those
[52:28] lots on those cottage lots would be in
[52:31] the current market right now?
[52:33] JDC's are going around five 500,000.
[52:36] >> If you're gonna if you're going to get
[52:38] first home buyer funding, it's 450.
[52:41] >> Okay. And that on the Nelson Homes
[52:44] website, that's where they say they
[52:45] start.
[52:46] >> That's why we said it at 450 is we we're
[52:48] trying to keep inflation. Everybody said
[52:51] they couldn't do it. We're forced to do
[52:52] it.
[52:54] >> What about emergency vehicles in an area
[52:57] like where you just were above there?
[52:59] >> Yeah. Now, the 20 foot driveway the
[53:02] width sufficient to get back there. The
[53:05] Weber County is probably going to say we
[53:07] need some kind of a turnaround back
[53:08] here. We just need to get to that level
[53:11] of detail. And again, that's more of the
[53:14] site plan subdivision spot where we
[53:17] would submit the plan. We would meet
[53:19] obviously with the fire marshall and
[53:21] say, "What kind of turnaround do you
[53:22] need?" He's going to say, "Well, I
[53:24] either need a 100 foot diameter cold
[53:26] stack, which is right here. That's what
[53:28] the fire code requires. Or I need a
[53:29] hammer head turn around which is 60 ft
[53:33] in two directions.
[53:34] >> Stay there for a minute on that.
[53:36] >> All right.
[53:38] >> We're going to erase that. That's
[53:41] >> I mentioned that earlier.
[53:43] >> Yeah.
[53:44] >> That's toast.
[53:46] >> I just wanted to give a reference that
[53:49] the the rideway around here is set at
[53:51] 100 ft. One thing that's caused a little
[53:53] confusion. Our roads are 60 ft in
[53:56] Hooper. Yep. They are and this is
[53:58] showing from the back of the curb to the
[54:00] back of the curb which in Hooker is 40
[54:02] ft and then there's additional park
[54:04] strip and right or sidewalk space on
[54:07] either side. So the property line would
[54:09] be this red line and this darker line is
[54:13] the road. So I'm going to fix this
[54:15] because it's causing some confusion with
[54:17] folks and I just don't want people to be
[54:20] confused. So, so I'm going to change
[54:22] that 40 to a 60 and then everybody go,
[54:24] "Oh, yeah, that's our 60 foot standard
[54:26] section for residential street." And uh
[54:29] the only then for the town home portion
[54:31] of the code, it your current code allows
[54:34] five units to be adjoined. We're asking
[54:37] for six. Again, some of the narrowness
[54:39] of the property and so forth, it just
[54:41] lays out better. But if it's like, "No,
[54:44] I don't think six is what Hooker wants,"
[54:47] then we just need to know.
[54:50] And uh then the commercial. Hasn't been
[54:53] a lot of comment about the commercial,
[54:54] but I do want to point out the the
[54:56] elephant in the room. That's the lift
[54:58] station that makes all of this possible.
[55:01] And uh it was originally slated to be
[55:03] over here and is plumbed out here in the
[55:05] roadway to be right here. We originally
[55:09] were talking about could we put it back
[55:10] here and then we in one [clears throat]
[55:13] of our conversations with staff and so
[55:14] forth and it was well it'll be two feet
[55:16] deeper and you know the groundwater
[55:18] table and we said oh maybe we don't want
[55:20] to go two feet deeper in the ground. So
[55:22] we said what do you think right here in
[55:23] the parking lot and Jared Hancock was
[55:25] really cute. He says you've been around
[55:26] those before right? You know what they
[55:28] smell like. I said yeah I've been around
[55:30] those before. And uh he said maybe you
[55:33] don't want that in the parking lot. So,
[55:35] we said, "Well, what? Maybe we flip this
[55:37] around and and and I know that won't be
[55:39] popular with the neighbors. I'm just
[55:40] saying I'm me, but could we find a spot
[55:43] in the back of here to stick it? Could
[55:45] we find some green space right here to
[55:47] put it? Uh, you know, because now we're
[55:49] just running lines straight across the
[55:51] parking lot to get to it. Or maybe the
[55:54] best way to do it is still to bend and
[55:55] put it back here and keep it. But, so we
[55:58] still got to figure that out. But that's
[56:01] site plan. Okay. and we're going to work
[56:03] with staff and we're going to work with
[56:04] Jared and we're gonna work with the city
[56:05] engineer and we're just going to figure
[56:07] out hey where does it work and we're
[56:08] going to come in with our geotech report
[56:10] and say the soils are really bad. It's
[56:12] going to be a huge hole to dig this wet
[56:15] well and maybe because it's an open
[56:17] field we can handle that but we need to
[56:20] think about how we maintain needs to be
[56:22] in the parking lot. Yeah, it doesn't
[56:24] need to be in the parking lot. There's
[56:26] some concerns about odor, but but it's
[56:28] flexible.
[56:28] >> The ground water such
[56:32] >> Yeah. And I, you know, we'll have to
[56:34] figure out what we're going to do about
[56:35] odor and some of those concerns, but
[56:37] there's ways to mitigate.
[56:38] >> So, we have that station over and
[56:41] there's neighbors houses that are right
[56:43] next and I have I haven't heard that
[56:45] complaint yet, but there's odor. Maybe
[56:48] some others have because, you know, I've
[56:50] been over there quite a bit and there is
[56:51] there's houses that are neighbor around
[56:53] that. So, so I don't know. I mean, Jared
[56:56] certainly knows [clears throat] that
[56:58] >> and those are things that we can talk to
[57:00] people who live by them. We can go visit
[57:02] them
[57:04] through that again.
[57:05] >> People that build them may have that
[57:07] issue and they know how to build
[57:09] >> something. It's a problem we need to.
[57:12] >> I have one just below me in the park and
[57:14] you don't get a smell from that. You get
[57:16] more smell from the mantles than you do
[57:18] from that.
[57:20] >> And the Great Salt Lake and different
[57:22] smell, but still
[57:24] >> I almost I almost said that in the last
[57:26] meeting, but I didn't want people to
[57:27] think I was just being facitious. Yeah,
[57:29] when the wind blows to the east, we all
[57:31] know what that smells like. And I mean,
[57:33] I love the Great Salt Lake. I've lived
[57:34] here my whole life, but it's just what
[57:36] it is.
[57:38] >> So, this is just kind of a blow up of
[57:41] what we wanted to present as landscaping
[57:43] because there's been a concern about
[57:45] what's the landscaping going to be. So,
[57:47] right now, we're just saying here's the
[57:49] different uses that are associated and
[57:51] so forth. There's [clears throat] a
[57:52] green space area. There was a concern
[57:55] mentioned at the planning commission
[57:56] meeting. We need some amenities in there
[57:59] and and we just need some direction like
[58:01] how big of an amenity do we want a
[58:02] pavilion and how big do we want the
[58:04] pavilion to be? Do we want a top lot
[58:06] space and how big do we want it to be?
[58:08] Do we want two slides,
[58:10] >> three swings and yeah and then we can
[58:12] work on cost and that's what we we just
[58:14] need to know size so that we can get to
[58:16] cost then we can go from there. But what
[58:18] this is just showing is street trees and
[58:21] so forth for the residential area.
[58:22] >> Bottom to that so they can see the whole
[58:24] thing.
[58:25] >> We'll get there. It's just trying to
[58:27] take it in in bites. It's hard to eat an
[58:29] elephant all at one time. And so here's
[58:32] some pictures from JDC as well as some
[58:35] pictures of one of the planning
[58:36] commission members that said, "Hey, and
[58:38] I grew up up the street from Blake Seing
[58:40] when I was a kid and so I know his
[58:42] parents." And he said, "You know where
[58:44] mom lives?" Anyway, long story short,
[58:47] the the patio homes are like these and
[58:51] uh that that are in that neighborhood
[58:52] and we just wanted to show in in Darla
[58:56] Seing's neighborhood. That's what the
[58:58] yards
[58:59] >> square footage of one of them roughly.
[59:02] >> They're about 3700.
[59:05] >> They're pretty good size.
[59:07] >> Yeah. And uh anyway, these are from the
[59:09] JDC ranch. Here's a picture of what was
[59:11] at the park. Here's a top lot area from
[59:13] the park. Now, please keep in mind JDC
[59:18] is huge compared to our little 50 acres.
[59:21] And when you go over and walk 50 acres,
[59:23] I trust me, it's huge. Walk the whole
[59:25] thing.
[59:25] >> 50 when you talk about residential.
[59:27] >> Yeah. It's only 26 when you talk about
[59:28] residential. So, it's not as huge as
[59:30] JDC. So, scale needs to be taken into
[59:33] consideration. That's why we don't have
[59:35] a threeacre park. We have a oneacre
[59:37] because we're trying to draw
[59:38] >> res.
[59:40] So anyway, this is just what some of the
[59:42] yards could look like in the residential
[59:44] housing. And this is a pretty typical
[59:47] what we were referring to as a cottage.
[59:49] And one thing you may missed on the as
[59:52] we talked about the general plan is if
[59:56] you're going to do again high density
[59:59] most areas
[1:00:01] threetory walks but out there so I worry
[1:00:06] about saying high density because
[1:00:08] understand
[1:00:15] » but the reason it fits is you usually
[1:00:17] try to the commercial So that's why
[1:00:20] general plan actually makes sense here
[1:00:23] because now you now you figured out
[1:00:26] where the commercial is because the
[1:00:27] general plan showed it all up and down
[1:00:29] the street. You locate it and then after
[1:00:32] you locate it, you can change your
[1:00:33] general plan to reflect where it's
[1:00:35] located. So that that's the logic behind
[1:00:38] it. I think everybody knows that. That's
[1:00:40] why we're here.
[1:00:41] >> Here's the commercial portion. And there
[1:00:44] were some comments to the planning
[1:00:45] commission. We just wanted to kind of
[1:00:47] say, okay, we fill in with some trees.
[1:00:50] These green areas, please don't be
[1:00:52] concerned about that. We're proposing
[1:00:53] those to be like shrub planters, not
[1:00:56] sod.
[1:00:57] >> We would come in with a rock mulch and
[1:00:59] have drip irrigation systems. Be pretty
[1:01:02] try to be pretty water.
[1:01:04] >> Yeah. So, we're we're we're past sod and
[1:01:07] I just didn't want somebody think, well,
[1:01:08] they showed all that green on there.
[1:01:10] They want to do a bunch of grass.
[1:01:11] >> The landscaping will be probably similar
[1:01:13] to case.
[1:01:15] Yeah, I would say something besides a
[1:01:17] picture.
[1:01:17] >> It's it's rock mulch at West Point as
[1:01:19] well. So that's very similar.
[1:01:23] Now, one of the residents said, u
[1:01:35] So, these are cars and there was a
[1:01:38] concern about I don't think we want to
[1:01:39] have a big black pave parking lot, but
[1:01:43] we can if there's interest and again
[1:01:45] getting that direction. Tree diamonds.
[1:01:47] That'd be the first step we'd go and
[1:01:49] we'd have a 6x6 little diamond right
[1:01:51] here where we plant a tree and maybe
[1:01:54] well we don't want tree diamonds. We
[1:01:56] want landscape islands in the parking
[1:01:58] lot. We again we're just looking for
[1:02:00] direction to establish that design
[1:02:04] and that's kind of
[1:02:07] um we I did want to talk a little bit
[1:02:08] about phototrics because there's been
[1:02:10] some concerns there with lighting. This
[1:02:13] is a tical center lighting plan. And I'm
[1:02:16] not going to make it hard, I promise.
[1:02:19] What these little numbers here show is
[1:02:21] the number of foot candles underneath
[1:02:23] the canopy.
[1:02:24] >> That's how bright it is.
[1:02:25] >> It's the brightness. And over in this
[1:02:28] area where they overlap, you'll see
[1:02:30] there's like a 58 right there. And and
[1:02:33] so that's the brightest that the light
[1:02:36] would be. Now, I'm going to show you a
[1:02:37] picture of one at night and then it's
[1:02:39] going to look a lot brighter because my
[1:02:40] phone the way it picks up the lighting.
[1:02:42] But I just wanted to this out. Now, this
[1:02:45] is a fuel canopy in Bluffell. It's been
[1:02:47] constructed about two years ago. And
[1:02:50] these light poles, the mounting height
[1:02:53] is 37 1/2 ft. I'm going to show you a
[1:02:55] picture of that, too. Now, the light
[1:02:57] pole itself is 35 ft tall and then it
[1:03:02] sits on a pole base that's 2 and 1/2 ft
[1:03:04] tall. Okay? So, mounting height means
[1:03:08] how high above their finished ground is
[1:03:11] that fixture. and it becomes really
[1:03:13] important in just a second. Now, that's
[1:03:15] all you need to know to be able to work
[1:03:17] with me.
[1:03:19] Now, this is taken from the separated
[1:03:22] grade interchange. My wife dropped me
[1:03:24] off and said, "I can't believe you're
[1:03:25] going to get hit by a car trying to take
[1:03:27] this picture." And it is the fuel canopy
[1:03:31] in Bluffale. And you can see how much
[1:03:33] brighter it is under the canopy than it
[1:03:36] is out here in the parking lot. and that
[1:03:39] brightness for security reasons. This we
[1:03:42] have outside sails underneath this
[1:03:44] canopy. You can come get a a
[1:03:48] we'll just say an energy drink because I
[1:03:50] don't know what they're called. But u
[1:03:52] you can get a rock okay Rockstar. That
[1:03:54] one came or you can get a Pepsi or
[1:03:56] whatever you want. Whatever your drink
[1:03:57] of flavor of choice is. They just have
[1:03:59] some different outdoor display areas
[1:04:01] where you can open a door. This is the
[1:04:04] window that you would come up to.
[1:04:05] There's a little drawer just like when
[1:04:07] you go to the old style credit union.
[1:04:09] They don't make them like that anymore,
[1:04:11] but you know what I mean.
[1:04:13] >> Yeah. Okay. So, we're past all that.
[1:04:15] There is that light pole that's 37 and
[1:04:17] 1/2 ft tall. This canopy is only 20 ft
[1:04:19] tall. And so, there's been a lot of
[1:04:21] concern about, well, I don't know what
[1:04:23] kind of light pole to tell them to put
[1:04:26] in and so forth. And what we're
[1:04:28] suggesting and what we've been talking
[1:04:29] to Malcolm about is let's just have a
[1:04:31] light pole that's not taller than the
[1:04:33] building. And then the parking lights.
[1:04:36] If I live behind the store, then I don't
[1:04:38] have a light [clears throat] pole that's
[1:04:40] sticking way up above the height of the
[1:04:43] facility. Okay. So, I just wanted you to
[1:04:45] go see that light bulbs to the left
[1:04:47] there. They're kind of like
[1:04:49] >> Yeah, this
[1:04:51] >> you can see. Let me back up real quick.
[1:04:53] This is the street light. Now, these are
[1:04:55] a lot like yours. Yours just have a
[1:04:58] shorter arm right there. And so, that
[1:05:00] gives you an idea of like your own
[1:05:01] street lights about 19 feet tall. And so we're we're asking or we're going
[1:05:06] to propose 25 ft as the pole height,
[1:05:11] which really means the mounting height
[1:05:12] would be 27 and a half if we can do
[1:05:15] that.
[1:05:17] >> So just wanted to show you those
[1:05:19] >> and we have to build more.
[1:05:22] >> Yeah, that's the bottom line. And that's
[1:05:24] really what this is.
[1:05:26] >> Stuart's just going faster than because
[1:05:27] he wants me to get through all this. But
[1:05:30] he's like, you're boring. I'm
[1:05:32] This is This is the parking lot. for
[1:05:34] West Point. And these light poles are 44
[1:05:38] feet tall. And so they are spaced about
[1:05:43] 150 to 200 ft apart. And a 25 ft
[1:05:46] mounting height means they're going to
[1:05:48] be closer to 100 ft, maybe 125 ft apart.
[1:05:51] So there will be more light poles, but
[1:05:54] they'll be shorter so that a person can
[1:05:57] look over the top of them or that kind
[1:05:59] of thing. They be blocked by the
[1:06:00] building. Now on the building, there are
[1:06:02] going to be what are called small pack
[1:06:04] lights, but they're only 15 ft tall. So,
[1:06:06] they're well down on the wall to provide
[1:06:09] just the lighting around the close
[1:06:10] proximity to and I'm talking about the
[1:06:12] grocery anchor, but that's pretty
[1:06:14] consistent. This is your street light
[1:06:16] that I was referring to.
[1:06:20] And this is just some stuff on site
[1:06:22] lighting, but if you're comfortable with
[1:06:24] that, uh the 25 foot light pole means it
[1:06:27] has a 27 and a half foot mounting.
[1:06:29] >> This is in the development agreement. So
[1:06:30] you're requiring this of
[1:06:31] >> I I haven't put it in it's not in there
[1:06:34] yet but it will be. I I [clears throat]
[1:06:35] was looking for this kind of direction.
[1:06:37] >> So you're looking to put it in that's
[1:06:39] >> and and I think based on the
[1:06:41] conversation with Malcolm is we we would
[1:06:43] do a 22 and a half foot pole. Have the
[1:06:46] light be at 25 because the shortest part
[1:06:49] of the ger anchor is 26 feet tall. The
[1:06:52] light poles will just be a foot under
[1:06:53] the height of that. Now there's going to
[1:06:55] be popups where it goes up a little
[1:06:57] taller but the shortest part of the
[1:06:58] building
[1:07:02] That's the idea. Around the perimeter,
[1:07:04] there was some concern about light
[1:07:06] pulling across the property line and so
[1:07:07] forth. And we had recommended possibly
[1:07:09] going a little shorter. It'll be a 20ft
[1:07:11] bowl on a 2 and 12t base.
[1:07:16] Here's the exterior of the building. And
[1:07:19] again, if
[1:07:22] you don't like what's here, tell us this
[1:07:26] was done for Eagle Mountain.
[1:07:29] They wanted a rural building, so it has
[1:07:31] a totally different.
[1:07:33] >> There's only two of these. One's in
[1:07:35] Gilbert, Arizona, and there's one going
[1:07:37] to be in Eagle Mountain.
[1:07:39] >> It'd be nice if we had a picture. Did
[1:07:40] they build again?
[1:07:42] >> No. Um, it it has a little bit different
[1:07:46] uh stone and different things on the
[1:07:48] outside. And Eagle Mountains is a little
[1:07:49] bit different. Eagle Mountain has a
[1:07:51] theme of the Pony Express. So, some of
[1:07:54] you that have been out to the West
[1:07:55] Desert have seen those structures. were
[1:07:57] built out of stones and they just wanted
[1:07:59] to have some stone that matched that
[1:08:01] type of architecture.
[1:08:02] >> Has more of a take on
[1:08:07] » and and we we we were told a long quite
[1:08:11] a few meetings ago that there's some
[1:08:13] interest you know would would somebody
[1:08:15] object to if we had a I don't know a
[1:08:17] wagon wheel and a hitching post and so I
[1:08:20] went back to Smiths and I said I think
[1:08:22] we ought to take the Gilbert Arizona
[1:08:24] plan. So that's that's what we present.
[1:08:27] But but you may say we don't want board
[1:08:32] white arctic white board.
[1:08:34] >> We're a long ways away here.
[1:08:39] » But this would be in the development
[1:08:40] agreement.
[1:08:41] >> So I think it's important to represent
[1:08:43] that if you want this, you got to tell
[1:08:45] us now and it's going to be in the
[1:08:47] development agreement. And that's step
[1:08:48] three. That's the most important part of
[1:08:50] getting this thing done. Here's what the
[1:08:52] fuel center would look like.
[1:08:54] And just to give you an idea of that,
[1:08:55] it's very similar. Sorry, the picture
[1:08:57] was blurry. It was taken at night.
[1:08:59] >> How many pumps
[1:09:01] >> this would be? I gota go back to the
[1:09:03] seven. This is a 7 MPD, but let me jump
[1:09:06] back here to make sure.
[1:09:08] >> Speculate. I don't know estimate.
[1:09:10] >> I can tell you exactly.
[1:09:12] >> 16.
[1:09:14] >> So there's six.
[1:09:15] >> Not from you.
[1:09:17] >> It's there's 12 fueling stations. It's
[1:09:19] going to be six. [clears throat] Eight.
[1:09:20] Seven. It's a seven.
[1:09:23] It's the same as what's in the picture.
[1:09:25] Sorry, I just wasn't sure. So, it's
[1:09:28] going to it's going to be that's a 7
[1:09:30] MPV. There's three on this side, one in
[1:09:33] front of the kiosk, and there's four
[1:09:34] over there.
[1:09:36] >> This is my Smiths, by the way. It's
[1:09:37] right behind me.
[1:09:41] » So, anyway, that's just what it looks
[1:09:42] like.
[1:09:43] >> Seven pumps,
[1:09:45] >> seven product dispensers, 14 fueling
[1:09:48] stations,
[1:09:48] >> two on
[1:09:50] two station.
[1:09:51] >> Good guess. Good. Yes. Okay. This would
[1:09:55] be uh just a proposed architecture for
[1:09:58] the outuildings uh on the pads. And
[1:10:01] again, what Malcolm had asked is, "Hey,
[1:10:02] can you just show us the percentage of
[1:10:04] the material?" So, we added those couple
[1:10:05] of notes in there to get that
[1:10:09] signage. We have a signage plan that is
[1:10:13] now in the development agreement for
[1:10:15] review. the proximity to the new roadway
[1:10:19] that's going to be built west corridor.
[1:10:22] This is very tall sign trying to reach
[1:10:24] out to those folks on that roadway. It's
[1:10:26] 50 ft tall. [clears throat] Give you an
[1:10:27] idea of what it looked like at night or
[1:10:29] what it looked like in the daytime.
[1:10:31] >> That would be Can you go right back?
[1:10:36] » That would be out on the main.
[1:10:39] So it be on the entry road.
[1:10:41] >> It's right here currently. Now it could
[1:10:46] be over here. Um we're I don't think at
[1:10:49] this stage we're too emotionally tied up
[1:10:52] one of the two corners.
[1:10:53] >> Well that guest changer sign would be on
[1:10:56] that also or separate
[1:10:57] >> it. It would be on it up at the top
[1:11:01] where the incur logo would go
[1:11:04] out for a sign in these zones. There's
[1:11:08] going to be in the gater development. Is
[1:11:10] there an interest for a monument looking
[1:11:13] sign in the PV zone to name it and have
[1:11:15] it there?
[1:11:19] » I don't know if there's an interest, but
[1:11:20] if it's a requirement,
[1:11:22] >> yeah, the ones we've seen after a while,
[1:11:24] nobody cares what they're called.
[1:11:29] » So, the sign plan maximum 50 ft height.
[1:11:34] What would your preference be on height?
[1:11:36] That look sounds awful tall to me.
[1:11:38] >> So this would be on 55 and then over on
[1:11:41] 47 it's a 30 foot tall sign.
[1:11:45] >> This one's Oh, this one's 50 and this
[1:11:48] one up to 4700.
[1:11:53] » And again, we we have to start
[1:11:56] somewhere. So we put that up. And that
[1:11:58] was what uh if you go to the le the new
[1:12:01] Smith store that was just opened in
[1:12:03] Lehi, these signs you could actually
[1:12:08] What's the ones in West Point? That's
[1:12:11] >> uh the ones in West Point are a little
[1:12:13] bit shorter. I bet they're not more than
[1:12:14] 30. I can bring you the pictures of
[1:12:17] >> 30 or 35.
[1:12:18] >> That sounds more appealing to me. I
[1:12:20] would tell you that
[1:12:23] those are tall signs for sure from other
[1:12:24] things I've done.
[1:12:30] » The sign
[1:12:30] >> I understand you do want to have a good
[1:12:32] sign. We have a lot of tenants in this
[1:12:34] development. There's a lot of buildings
[1:12:36] and you do want good sign to help
[1:12:37] provide.
[1:12:39] >> Could we do a separate guess?
[1:12:40] >> What we would if if the interest would
[1:12:43] be to go shorter. Let me just throw this
[1:12:45] shirt.
[1:12:46] >> The idea would be can we just take some
[1:12:49] of the space off the legs,
[1:12:50] >> but we want to because of the trying to
[1:12:53] get to a power center. We're really
[1:12:54] interested in for those tenants. But
[1:12:57] that's obviously a landlord dec.
[1:13:01] So maybe just pull the legs down a
[1:13:03] little bit.
[1:13:04] >> Yeah, the Cville Smiths and the West
[1:13:06] Point Smiths have exactly the same sign.
[1:13:08] Just the name of the shopping center is
[1:13:09] the only thing.
[1:13:12] >> Same.
[1:13:15] » Yeah,
[1:13:16] >> this would be a little monument sign
[1:13:17] we'd have out in front of the fuel
[1:13:19] center in addition to the two pricing
[1:13:20] signs on the top.
[1:13:23] And we may want something like that
[1:13:26] signp.
[1:13:30] » So now you've seen all the signs. Let me
[1:13:32] go back to the
[1:13:33] >> usually very probably see by any city.
[1:13:35] So I've been out to look at some Smiths.
[1:13:38] I haven't even paid no attention to the
[1:13:39] signs. Now I got to go back and look and
[1:13:42] see what they look like. [laughter]
[1:13:44] >> That just tells you how invisible they
[1:13:46] really are.
[1:13:47] >> Yeah, [laughter]
[1:13:49] we have 15. So let's keep going. Okay,
[1:13:52] that's all I really have which are the
[1:13:54] basic exhibits. We we still owe you a
[1:13:58] phototric plan and we owe you an outdoor
[1:14:01] storage plan. And if I can jump I'll
[1:14:04] just jump back to our site plan
[1:14:07] because I most of you that have been to
[1:14:10] a Smith store know that along the front
[1:14:12] sidewalk they just like to put
[1:14:14] windshield wiper fluid out there.
[1:14:16] There's a lime tree that my wife tells
[1:14:18] me I should spend $30 to buy every time
[1:14:20] we go there.
[1:14:22] >> A few things like that. So, there's some
[1:14:23] patio furniture and different things and so that's what they're asking for by
[1:14:28] outdoor storage. They might want to ask
[1:14:30] about can we put a tent out here and
[1:14:32] sell some fireworks or I know that's
[1:14:35] kind of a bad connotation with this year
[1:14:37] being so dry, but sometimes they want to
[1:14:39] have a little parking lot sale or a case
[1:14:42] lot sale or something
[1:14:43] >> when they bring their when they bring
[1:14:44] their
[1:14:50] and stuff like that.
[1:14:52] >> So, and then the parking corrals, uh, we
[1:14:55] just we could show you what those look
[1:14:57] like if you have an interest. One city
[1:14:59] wanted to see the picture of that. Um,
[1:15:03] just again, we we're looking for
[1:15:07] can you can you establish some like
[1:15:09] again, one question that was asked is
[1:15:11] how tall is the fence?
[1:15:12] >> Let's let's open it up for questions.
[1:15:14] Okay, sounds great. Like because we need
[1:15:16] to know how tall do you want the fence
[1:15:17] to be?
[1:15:18] >> Well,
[1:15:20] is there a fence?
[1:15:22] >> We have a landing separation.
[1:15:24] >> Go look at the one in Cville. It's what
[1:15:27] we've done is the taller when you get a
[1:15:30] fence that's too tall, you feel like
[1:15:31] you're
[1:15:34] >> back up a few feet.
[1:15:40] I think
[1:15:43] » it's about four feet I guess by
[1:15:45] >> it's been a few years.
[1:15:47] >> Oh, the fence is
[1:15:48] >> the fence is six.
[1:15:53] » Because Yeah. The property behind the
[1:15:55] Cisville Smiths is higher than the Smith
[1:15:58] store. And as a result of that, we were
[1:16:00] able to slope the ground down in front.
[1:16:02] [clears throat]
[1:16:06] » What does the council want to see work
[1:16:08] done? It's going to come to you.
[1:16:09] >> I already have some concerns about open
[1:16:12] space. I will take that.
[1:16:13] >> Oh, I didn't talk about that and I
[1:16:15] wanted to. Can I help resolve those
[1:16:17] concerns?
[1:16:18] >> Yes.
[1:16:18] >> So, we have the park area. We've got the
[1:16:20] detention basin area. We We'd really
[1:16:22] like to just get creative on how open
[1:16:25] space is calculated.
[1:16:27] If the front yards of the residential
[1:16:30] homes could be considered in the open
[1:16:32] space,
[1:16:33] >> um that's just where we're trying to
[1:16:35] look at. Okay, we got to open space
[1:16:38] really isn't well maybe [snorts] it is
[1:16:39] defined under the current code. Um what
[1:16:43] we were trying to bring because the
[1:16:44] planning commission members said the
[1:16:46] same thing. Blake came to me after
[1:16:48] commissioner s I should be more
[1:16:50] respectful. Uh he came to me after he
[1:16:52] said, "You don't have enough open
[1:16:53] space." And I said, "Well, really, we
[1:16:56] kind of do. We've got about 50% we're bringing you commercial instead of
[1:17:02] 40% open space at your current code
[1:17:04] corner. So, we just were hoping that would be looked at differently.
[1:17:09] >> We'd like to try to do a uh again some
[1:17:13] type of
[1:17:16] side grading. It would be nice if we
[1:17:18] could combine the detention basic
[1:17:24] we're going to need some fill here to
[1:17:26] make this work.
[1:17:28] >> It's not a good word.
[1:17:29] >> Yeah, it's not. But we we need to get
[1:17:32] into that a little bit. There's a lot of
[1:17:33] dirt burned in different places and we
[1:17:36] got to figure out how much there is. So
[1:17:38] open space is another one. Could we
[1:17:39] count the front yards? Can we, you know,
[1:17:43] again, aggregate the two detention bases
[1:17:45] together? Things like that. try to get a
[1:17:47] little more creative and have it be more
[1:17:50] than say the four or 5% we shown because
[1:17:52] we only have an acre. So it's like one
[1:17:55] divided by 50 if we're going to look at
[1:17:57] it that way or does the open space only
[1:17:59] apply to the residential which would
[1:18:01] then be one divided by about 25.
[1:18:04] >> So so I'll be on the other side of that.
[1:18:06] Uh I went and got the general plan and
[1:18:09] uh we're well over the open space that
[1:18:13] the general plan asked for right now. It
[1:18:16] says 12. We're at about 10.6
[1:18:20] with what you're saying people are
[1:18:23] bringing in here. Okay. We would really
[1:18:25] only need a uh and the projection of
[1:18:28] people in 2040
[1:18:32] uh shows that we would need a half acre
[1:18:34] of uh green space in this development to
[1:18:38] equal
[1:18:40] that uh six to 12. That would be on the
[1:18:44] low side. It' be at six. I mean, but uh
[1:18:47] you know, we also all these parks we
[1:18:50] have to maintain or open space we've got
[1:18:52] to pay people to take care of it and we
[1:18:56] are with what they've got there, we
[1:18:59] would be uh if you count the uh
[1:19:02] detention basin, then we're going to be
[1:19:04] just over that six. So, I'm just throw
[1:19:07] I'm just throwing this out. Is that an
[1:19:10] HOA maintained little pocket park or is
[1:19:13] that a
[1:19:16] HOA.
[1:19:17] >> So, so we'd have to walk through it.
[1:19:20] >> I think one thing in the same
[1:19:24] you can't the problem you got with the
[1:19:26] HOA maintain anything
[1:19:29] is if you have 75 acres and you have 200
[1:19:35] units of home, you can maintain open
[1:19:38] space. But when you have 20 acres of
[1:19:41] ground and you got to put that to each
[1:19:44] homeowner, they get really upset. I've
[1:19:47] heard them when they're paying their
[1:19:48] taxes and then they're also paying
[1:19:53] their own park and the park's bigger
[1:19:55] than what their project, you know, it's
[1:19:57] a bigger park. I I just hear it all the
[1:19:59] time. So, you got to be careful that you
[1:20:01] got to proportionately
[1:20:04] this or you're going to get people that
[1:20:06] are feeling like they're subsidizing the
[1:20:09] city and then eventually they come to
[1:20:10] the city and get you to take it. People
[1:20:13] really do not like H.
[1:20:19] » Well, I think if the retention basin is
[1:20:21] closer is like attached to the open
[1:20:24] space, that would be huge because we
[1:20:26] have like there's a retention base up by
[1:20:28] my house, then it makes no sense
[1:20:30] whatsoever because it's 20 ft away from
[1:20:33] the drain ditch that it would drain
[1:20:34] into. And I don't even know why we
[1:20:36] didn't just dump the water into the
[1:20:39] drain ditch rather than making a
[1:20:42] retention basin. That serves no purpose.
[1:20:46] >> Just it makes me crazy every time I
[1:20:48] drive by. It's like put a pipe out to
[1:20:50] the ditch.
[1:20:54] » Yeah.
[1:20:55] Just silly language.
[1:20:59] >> Be a lot easier to make a nice flat
[1:21:01] green space.
[1:21:02] >> I think in the same space functionality
[1:21:05] is important. I don't uh it'd be nice to
[1:21:07] see I don't know how you think we can
[1:21:09] make some connectivity throughout this
[1:21:11] make it a little more walkable
[1:21:12] potentially. I mean there'll be sidewalk
[1:21:14] anticipated.
[1:21:15] >> I can show you walkways.
[1:21:16] >> Yeah. I don't know if we could have a
[1:21:17] walkway some walkways. I think those
[1:21:19] could go a long ways and they wouldn't
[1:21:20] you know require space [clears throat]
[1:21:22] but then any amenities and that's where
[1:21:24] the council really direction. I don't
[1:21:25] know what that park looks like and I
[1:21:27] don't
[1:21:27] >> Well, that's with the green subdivision
[1:21:29] they have.
[1:21:30] >> I think the park could look really cool.
[1:21:33] we have something on the park that
[1:21:35] really makes it worth, you know, having
[1:21:36] the park
[1:21:38] >> and the the planning the conversation
[1:21:40] the planning commission had is they're
[1:21:42] like green field is nice but I think we
[1:21:44] need something better. And so I think
[1:21:46] you're going to hear that
[1:21:47] recommendation.
[1:21:48] >> You don't have the space to
[1:21:50] realistically to make it better than
[1:21:52] green fields because Greenfields has I
[1:21:54] don't know 100 acres of residential
[1:21:57] probably
[1:21:58] >> I could pull it up but you're not
[1:22:01] dealing with anything that So, I need to
[1:22:03] help myself. I mean, they got a fish
[1:22:04] pond and everything else that ain't
[1:22:06] going to fit here.
[1:22:07] >> What you have right there is probably
[1:22:09] nicer than what you put in.
[1:22:11] >> More questions because you only got a
[1:22:13] couple of minutes here. So, I'd like to
[1:22:15] think I've got all mine answered.
[1:22:16] >> I mean, I think we spent an hour
[1:22:18] completely in the weeds to be honest
[1:22:20] with you. There's such major questions
[1:22:22] that go with this development agreement
[1:22:24] that haven't even been touched on right
[1:22:27] now that we could take the next three
[1:22:29] hours and go over this development
[1:22:31] agreement line by line and have a
[1:22:32] million questions. I mean, I'll just
[1:22:34] start with the financing. You know,
[1:22:36] section five of the developers agreement
[1:22:38] talks about um it says the city shall
[1:22:41] provide to the developer by means of
[1:22:43] bonding or other revenue sources funds
[1:22:45] to pay for the development of public
[1:22:47] infrastructure related to the project.
[1:22:49] So the city is responsible for the
[1:22:51] funding of this project and the develop
[1:22:53] or the infrastructure. Why is the
[1:22:55] developer not responsible for any buyin
[1:22:57] whatsoever when it comes to
[1:22:59] infrastructure? Why is the city on the
[1:23:01] hook for all of it?
[1:23:02] >> We've changed that and
[1:23:04] >> well that's not what this says right
[1:23:05] here. I appreciate that because that's
[1:23:07] what's in your packet and had to be sent
[1:23:09] to you a week ago.
[1:23:10] >> I've had Cody Der review it and Rob Sam
[1:23:13] and they provided
[1:23:16] a recommendation.
[1:23:19] So like because that's been mentioned
[1:23:22] >> that would be a nice thing but we're
[1:23:23] going to put the sewer and water in and
[1:23:25] finance all the improvements. So I don't
[1:23:26] know that may be in the development but
[1:23:29] I think that that's in there for dealing
[1:23:34] with the
[1:23:34] >> 5.1
[1:23:36] >> it was in there because that we were
[1:23:37] looking for direction. We now have the
[1:23:39] direction and the direction is if the
[1:23:42] city's going to participate in this
[1:23:43] project at all it'll be by a separate
[1:23:44] agreement which will be known as a
[1:23:46] participation agreement or funding
[1:23:48] agreement and right now the developer
[1:23:50] would be responsible to build the
[1:23:52] improvements.
[1:23:53] >> Yeah. But but some of that you got the
[1:23:56] sewer list station and we don't know
[1:23:58] what oversized improvements are even in
[1:24:01] 5500 and we just need to figure out what
[1:24:05] the city wants to do. as you do the CRA,
[1:24:09] what you don't want to do is restrict
[1:24:11] the city council from being able to uh
[1:24:16] do things that they want to do
[1:24:19] with what you put into the make sense.
[1:24:23] >> So Rob,
[1:24:24] >> you may have something you want to do
[1:24:26] that it's beyond this.
[1:24:29] >> Is this referencing uh what they call
[1:24:31] post uh post performance payment to the
[1:24:34] developer with the CRA? That's what Rob
[1:24:37] Sant recommended with the West Point and
[1:24:39] the Kisville
[1:24:41] >> could be sometime reimbursement
[1:24:44] participate.
[1:24:44] >> This is we worked on this. I got your
[1:24:46] Did you take Rob? This is Rob.
[1:24:48] >> This is the exact words we
[1:24:50] >> I'll ask Rob Brian. I don't know. I just
[1:24:52] like I had Rob and u
[1:24:55] Cody I say do section five what you're
[1:24:58] going to recommend. We're paying Rob and
[1:25:00] Cody right. We want what they recommend
[1:25:01] is I'm assuming what the council's going
[1:25:03] to do. you guys.
[1:25:05] >> So, so the project or at least
[1:25:07] >> I'm reading a version that I got before
[1:25:09] this one that I didn't so
[1:25:12] >> I had no idea.
[1:25:13] >> Has that packet gone out to everybody?
[1:25:16] >> This is brand new
[1:25:19] because we're getting that. So, thank
[1:25:20] you.
[1:25:20] >> So, so this will go to the planning
[1:25:22] commission and then from the planning
[1:25:24] commission this will come to you as a
[1:25:25] new agreement.
[1:25:26] >> So, there are project improvements which
[1:25:28] we will put in that's a curb gard
[1:25:31] sidewalk in front of all the homes.
[1:25:34] nor the road base. But then there are
[1:25:38] there then there are system or community
[1:25:40] improvements. That would be like a water
[1:25:43] tank or a sewer treatment plant. Uh
[1:25:46] typically subdivisions don't build those
[1:25:49] or they don't build sewer lift stations
[1:25:51] that benefit a large area of the city
[1:25:53] because it's not fair for those few
[1:25:56] homes to be able to take that on. So
[1:25:58] that's what is you know they'll they'll
[1:26:00] be community they'll be community assets
[1:26:03] I suppose that that probably will
[1:26:06] >> this was
[1:26:08] equally as agitating to the planning
[1:26:10] commission members and so we got the
[1:26:13] direction we were looking for and it's
[1:26:14] now been included and I apologize that
[1:26:17] we we got the information we just had to
[1:26:19] get this in the packet we didn't have
[1:26:20] the information yet so that's that's why
[1:26:23] you don't
[1:26:24] >> keep going more questions those are good
[1:26:25] ones that's a really good question Um
[1:26:29] the other thing is the um land use map.
[1:26:32] I mean we've had this land use map for
[1:26:35] our general plan since the beginning of
[1:26:37] the city 25 years. And now it seems like
[1:26:41] a developer walking in the door and
[1:26:43] saying we're going to add section D and
[1:26:45] section E to our land use map just
[1:26:48] specifically for our development rather
[1:26:50] than following our current ordinances. I
[1:26:52] mean take for example the R3 zoning. You
[1:26:55] guys are coming in here saying, "Hey, we
[1:26:57] want to change the frontage from our
[1:26:58] current ordinance of 100 feet to 85
[1:27:01] feet. We want to change the PUB from 40%
[1:27:04] open space to we're going to give you
[1:27:06] some commercial. We're going to change
[1:27:08] this to this. We're going to add a D and
[1:27:10] an E that doesn't even exist in our
[1:27:11] current land use map." I feel like the
[1:27:14] planning commission and the city council
[1:27:17] and the public is responsible for
[1:27:20] creating the general plan in the land
[1:27:22] use map, not the developer. The
[1:27:24] developer should not walk in the door
[1:27:26] and say, "We got a D and an E that's
[1:27:27] going to be put on our land use map."
[1:27:29] That's our decision.
[1:27:31] >> What was the frontage on on I I don't
[1:27:34] know. I'm asking [clears throat] third
[1:27:36] acre lots
[1:27:37] >> because we do have third acre lots. What
[1:27:39] was it? I know halfacre or 100.
[1:27:42] >> So, was third acre 100 or were they?
[1:27:44] >> They were both 100.
[1:27:45] >> They were both. So what we're we're
[1:27:47] getting is a little bit of conflicting
[1:27:49] direction which is happens but you went
[1:27:53] up and saw a project that which was a
[1:27:56] destination it was homestead and you
[1:27:59] said we like it to look like that and so
[1:28:02] we come back and so we're following that
[1:28:05] direction and everybody and there may be
[1:28:08] some that want it to look like that
[1:28:10] maybe others that don't we understand
[1:28:12] different opinions
[1:28:14] >> but So, so to respond to your thought is
[1:28:18] there's two reasons for the change. One
[1:28:19] is you finally located your commercial
[1:28:23] and if you're going to do patio homes
[1:28:26] and those type of things, they probably
[1:28:28] better walk next to commercial. So,
[1:28:30] we're asking for those varants. There's
[1:28:32] no change in the master plans and we're
[1:28:35] trying to match the project you've seen
[1:28:36] because you like kind of the
[1:28:39] >> and that's kind of a feeling a lot of us
[1:28:40] have talked about on the council is we
[1:28:42] like patio homes. You know, patio we
[1:28:44] have a patio home development over here
[1:28:47] um on the south side.
[1:28:48] >> Fantastic.
[1:28:49] >> And it's been a fantastic neighborhood.
[1:28:51] You know, it's a 55 plus community
[1:28:53] granted, but it's what we feel fit for
[1:28:57] our city. It was the patio homes, you
[1:28:59] know, these homes on these cottage lots.
[1:29:01] That's a whole new concept to me and a
[1:29:04] lot of people. And so, it's going to
[1:29:06] take some I don't know if I'll ever be
[1:29:09] convinced that's the right thing to do
[1:29:10] above a patio lot or a patio home.
[1:29:14] >> But we're putting those smaller ones in
[1:29:16] to be able to get our kids and
[1:29:19] grandchildren
[1:29:20] >> $500,000 a piece. Well, you know, uh
[1:29:24] when I bought my uh first home for
[1:29:27] 40,000, uh you know, 45 years ago,
[1:29:31] people thought that that was an
[1:29:32] outrageous price.
[1:29:34] >> That brings up another thing about the
[1:29:35] rental clause. Are we are is there a
[1:29:38] rental clause that prevents rentals in
[1:29:40] the first 10 years of ownership?
[1:29:42] >> Enforcement seems to be what we're down
[1:29:43] to. Who's going to enforce that? The
[1:29:45] request was make the HOA do it, and
[1:29:48] there's been some concern about the
[1:29:50] HOA's ability to legally do that. But
[1:29:53] yes, there is language provided and it
[1:29:55] was language suggested by the city.
[1:29:57] >> So, we just need to get attorney to help
[1:29:59] us.
[1:30:01] >> Thank you. We're out of time.
[1:30:04] >> Thank you for coming.
[1:30:07] If you have more questions
[1:30:12] » all
[1:30:24] thank you for your time. Thanks for
[1:30:26] coming out.
[1:30:30] » Hey, they're working on over there 1800.
[1:30:34] They're working over there.
[1:30:47] That's
[1:30:49] right.
[1:31:35] Whatever.
[1:31:43] What's
[1:32:05] » Yes.
[1:32:18] Recording in progress.
[1:32:30] » We would like to welcome you to the
[1:32:31] Huffer City Council meeting. It is
[1:32:34] Thursday, August 20th. I am Sher
[1:32:36] Bingham. I'm the mayor and I will
[1:32:38] conducting this meeting. We are going to
[1:32:40] go ahead and start with the pledge of
[1:32:41] allegiance by council member Rapalto and
[1:32:44] then we will have a reverence by council
[1:32:46] member Hill.
[1:32:50] » Everyone please repeat the pledge of
[1:32:52] allegiance after
[1:32:56] the flag of the United States of America
[1:33:00] and to the republic for which it stands.
[1:33:03] One nation under God, indivisible, with
[1:33:07] liberty and justice for all.
[1:33:18] » Father, grateful we gather together
[1:33:20] tonight as a city and as a city council.
[1:33:21] We're grateful for our community and
[1:33:23] where we live. We're grateful for the
[1:33:24] freedoms we enjoy. Thankful for those
[1:33:27] who serve in the armed forces and ask a
[1:33:31] blessing upon them. upon them and their
[1:33:34] families. We're grateful for the
[1:33:36] constitution of this great land we live
[1:33:38] in and ask that it will be guarded and
[1:33:40] protected and
[1:33:43] those who leave this country and
[1:33:47] communities therein that they will be
[1:33:49] wise and good stewards of
[1:33:52] this valuable information in this
[1:33:55] inspired document.
[1:33:57] Father for counsel and ask a blessing
[1:33:59] upon each of us that will be inspired
[1:34:02] and directed to say the things that are
[1:34:03] proper and
[1:34:06] be able to counsel one with another.
[1:34:09] Grateful for opportunity to serve and
[1:34:13] for that we enjoy grful
[1:34:18] Jesus Christ. Amen.
[1:34:22] » Thank you. We're going to just want to
[1:34:24] tell you a little bit about some
[1:34:25] upcoming events. We have our Herper
[1:34:28] Tomato Days that starts on August 31st
[1:34:31] with our community dinner and it's a
[1:34:33] dinner and a dance and there's
[1:34:35] activities for the children. All Her
[1:34:37] residents should be giving this within
[1:34:39] the next couple of days. Um it's the
[1:34:42] newsletter that comes out and it's
[1:34:44] really handy for you to have because it
[1:34:46] has all of the schedule tomato days is
[1:34:49] going to be. So, make sure you hang on
[1:34:51] to this so you know what time when those
[1:34:53] events are going to be.
[1:34:57] So, the next thing we have on our agenda
[1:34:59] are public comments. If you would like
[1:35:02] to make a public comment, please come up
[1:35:04] to the microphone, state your name. You
[1:35:06] will have three minutes. Our city
[1:35:09] recorder Morgan will direct you when
[1:35:11] your time she gives you a one minute and
[1:35:13] then when your time is up and we would
[1:35:15] ask you if you see it come up that says
[1:35:17] your time is up if you would please stop
[1:35:19] at that time.
[1:35:20] >> Sorry can I make a question the three
[1:35:22] minute time not one minute.
[1:35:24] >> Oh I'm sorry I apologize. Three minute
[1:35:26] time.
[1:35:36] » My name is tutor. Um, good evening,
[1:35:39] mayor and city council members. I'm here
[1:35:41] tonight speaking for our kids and the
[1:35:43] families who are simply asking for a
[1:35:44] reasonable opportunity to practice in
[1:35:46] the community where they live. We
[1:35:48] understand the city has a responsibility
[1:35:49] to protect our parks, especially during
[1:35:51] drought conditions. We support
[1:35:53] responsible water conservation and we
[1:35:55] aren't asking for limited access or
[1:35:56] asking the city to ignore concerns about
[1:35:58] the field. Mayor Bingham has offered one
[1:36:00] day per week for practice and we
[1:36:01] appreciate the willingness to
[1:36:02] compromise. However, one day a week is
[1:36:04] not a reasonable solution for kids who
[1:36:06] are still expected to play games every
[1:36:08] week. Football is a contact sport. These
[1:36:10] kids need time to safely learn,
[1:36:12] tackling, blocking, conditioning, and
[1:36:13] proper technique. That is why we are
[1:36:15] asking for three days per week,
[1:36:17] approximately an hour and a half each
[1:36:18] day while rotating practice areas to
[1:36:20] minimize wear. We're willing to work
[1:36:22] with the city, but I also think it's
[1:36:23] important to acknowledge how we got
[1:36:24] here. Signs are placed throughout the
[1:36:26] park stating water conservation in
[1:36:28] effect, followed by no organized sports.
[1:36:30] We understand the need to conserve
[1:36:32] water, but residents deserve
[1:36:33] clarification on how prohibiting
[1:36:35] organized practices reduces the city's
[1:36:37] water usage. If the concern is field
[1:36:39] wear, then let's address field wear
[1:36:41] directly. Rotating practice areas
[1:36:43] limiting time and temporary closures of
[1:36:45] areas that need recovery. The signs also
[1:36:47] state that organized athletic activities
[1:36:49] are prohibited. Yet to our knowledge,
[1:36:50] this restriction was not brought before
[1:36:52] the city council for public discussion
[1:36:53] or a vote. And we have been unable to
[1:36:56] locate a formally adopted ordinance
[1:36:58] prohibiting organized use practices in
[1:37:00] our parks. If we're mistaken, we welcome
[1:37:02] that clarification. But when a
[1:37:03] restriction affects as many families and
[1:37:05] community members, there should be
[1:37:06] transparency about the policy and how
[1:37:08] that decision was made. I want to be
[1:37:10] clear. I cannot control what other
[1:37:12] people say, post, or how they respond to
[1:37:13] this situation. But I speak for myself
[1:37:15] and the families I represent tonight.
[1:37:17] I'm not here to create division or
[1:37:19] attack you. I'm here because our kids
[1:37:20] need a reasonable place to practice and
[1:37:22] I believe we can support them while
[1:37:23] protecting our parks. The parks were
[1:37:25] created to serve the community and youth
[1:37:27] sports are part of that community. They
[1:37:29] bring families together, teach our kids
[1:37:30] teamwork, responsibility, commitment,
[1:37:32] and perseverance. For some of our kids,
[1:37:34] having an accessible field here matters.
[1:37:36] Some walk or ride their bikes because
[1:37:37] their parents are working. Simply
[1:37:39] telling teams to go somewhere else
[1:37:41] doesn't mean every child can get there.
[1:37:43] We don't believe the city has to choose
[1:37:44] between protecting our parks, supporting
[1:37:46] our kids. We can do both. We're not
[1:37:48] asking you tonight to decide who was
[1:37:50] right or wrong and how we got here.
[1:37:51] We're asking you to help decide where we
[1:37:53] go from here. Give these kids three days
[1:37:55] a week. Let us rotate our practice
[1:37:57] areas, give us reasonable guidelines,
[1:37:58] and hold us accountable for following
[1:38:00] them. If there are concerns, then let's
[1:38:02] try for the remainder of the season and
[1:38:04] evaluate the condition of the field
[1:38:05] afterwards. Three days, responsible use,
[1:38:08] rotating areas, and accountability. We
[1:38:11] believe that's a reasonable compromise
[1:38:12] and shows these kids that when there's a
[1:38:14] challenge, our community is willing to
[1:38:16] work together to find a solution. Thank
[1:38:18] you,
[1:38:26] » Bryce Wilcox residents. Uh I agree 100%
[1:38:29] with Paige. As far as I know, only half
[1:38:32] the city council was involved in that or
[1:38:34] I think the whole city council should
[1:38:36] have been involved in it. Um some of my
[1:38:38] fondest memories as a kid was
[1:38:41] football. There's no reason why Hooper
[1:38:43] City shouldn't accommodate these
[1:38:44] children.
[1:38:46] It's it's it's ridiculous. The other
[1:38:48] thing I wanted to comment on, I know the
[1:38:50] Terara Strata deal is a big issue right
[1:38:52] now. I would just caution you that any
[1:38:55] type of creative financing is going to
[1:38:58] be bad for our city. Um, if you look at
[1:39:02] the uh impact study,
[1:39:04] it's going to take us several years
[1:39:06] before we make any money. And I I bet
[1:39:10] everything that the school district, the
[1:39:13] fire district, within a matter of a
[1:39:14] couple years, maybe five, maybe 10,
[1:39:16] they're going to back out because
[1:39:17] they're going to want the money and
[1:39:18] we're going to be left with back. So,
[1:39:21] I'm not opposed to the Smiths. Um, I'm a
[1:39:23] little concerned about the highdensity
[1:39:25] housing. Um, however, as a city, you
[1:39:28] guys need to protect us and our our
[1:39:31] money. It's it's not your money. It's
[1:39:33] not Stuart Evans. He's the one that made
[1:39:34] all the rules. So don't get backed up by
[1:39:37] him in a corner and make him call the
[1:39:41] shots. You guys call the shots. Do
[1:39:42] what's best for the city and for the
[1:39:44] citizens long term, not just short term.
[1:39:47] Oh, we get a Smith, we're going to get
[1:39:48] money. Yeah, we will, but it's going to
[1:39:51] take time. You just don't get it like
[1:39:52] that. Our our uh sheriff's fees going to
[1:39:56] go up. Our wages are going to, you know,
[1:39:59] our employees are going to have more
[1:40:01] time spent there in that area
[1:40:03] maintaining the roads. So be wise about
[1:40:06] the development. I'm not opposed against
[1:40:07] development, but just be wise about it.
[1:40:10] Um, Mary, thanks.
[1:40:21] Mayor, city council. My name is Ashley
[1:40:23] Long Hooper, resident, taxpayer, most
[1:40:26] importantly represent Westville tonight.
[1:40:28] A mom, a football player. Um, my son is
[1:40:31] directly affected by this decision and I
[1:40:33] strongly disagree with these
[1:40:34] restrictions from practicing at Upper
[1:40:36] North Park. I understand we're in a
[1:40:38] drought and we need to take care of our
[1:40:40] parks. I personally been on the fields
[1:40:42] every day, drive by him every day. Um,
[1:40:45] the picture that's being painted that
[1:40:47] our kids are destroying them, I don't
[1:40:48] agree with. And we aren't asking for a
[1:40:51] limited asset access.
[1:40:55] Uh, we offer to work with the city. We
[1:40:57] want to work with the city so that
[1:40:58] everybody's supported just for a
[1:41:00] reasonable schedule.
[1:41:03] We offered to pay to use the park. We
[1:41:05] were turned down. There was no
[1:41:06] communication up front of we got a first
[1:41:09] come first serve. Now we have nowhere to
[1:41:11] go with our boys. Um
[1:41:15] we didn't ask Cooper City to fund our
[1:41:17] program, but also a lot of these boys
[1:41:20] are Hooper City residents and we have no
[1:41:23] recreation programs for them. So we have
[1:41:25] to go to other cities. So for my son's
[1:41:28] sake and everybody else, where are they
[1:41:30] supposed to go? What do you want them to
[1:41:31] do? You know, we don't have the access
[1:41:34] or the support to support them. So we've
[1:41:37] asked for a couple of days a week,
[1:41:40] couple of months at any given time. Um
[1:41:44] the other issue is is we want these boys
[1:41:46] to go to Westfield or Royal or wherever
[1:41:48] they go, but they only can get better
[1:41:51] and play on high school teams if they
[1:41:53] practice and learn from their mistakes.
[1:41:55] The that dedication.
[1:41:58] Um because high school players, let's be
[1:42:00] real, they don't just wake up and decide
[1:42:02] to play football today.
[1:42:05] Um so we need a question like what do we
[1:42:07] do with our boys before they even put on
[1:42:09] a jersey? What are we showing them if we
[1:42:11] can't be work together as a community to
[1:42:14] support them and give them something
[1:42:16] besides electronics
[1:42:18] to do?
[1:42:21] I don't think the park's being misused.
[1:42:22] If there's something to prove us
[1:42:24] different, we're not asking to use. We
[1:42:26] can rotate or do whatever we need to do.
[1:42:30] That's it.
[1:42:43] My name is Brooke Wilcox and I would
[1:42:46] like to read a letter that I wrote. It
[1:42:50] says, "Dear and members of city. I am
[1:42:54] also speaking today as both a parent and
[1:42:57] a citizen who believes that our
[1:42:58] community has responsibility to invest
[1:43:00] in his children. The decision to
[1:43:02] restrict our youth football program from
[1:43:04] practicing at Hooper Civic Center is
[1:43:06] deeply concerning.
[1:43:08] We understand the importance of
[1:43:10] maintaining those fields, but there has
[1:43:12] to be a balance between protecting grass
[1:43:14] and giving the kids a safe place to
[1:43:16] play. I've done a little bit of homework
[1:43:18] and I've looked into the condition and
[1:43:20] the size of these fields with the number
[1:43:22] and ages of our players, the hours that
[1:43:25] they practice and how our coaches rotate
[1:43:28] drills and spread the players throughout
[1:43:30] the fields. The research that I've done
[1:43:32] does not support the idea that this
[1:43:34] level of youth football should destroy
[1:43:36] these fields.
[1:43:38] Normal wear is not destruction and it
[1:43:40] can be managed through rotation,
[1:43:43] ariation, receding, watering, and
[1:43:45] routine maintenance. I also have
[1:43:48] photographs from the last three years
[1:43:49] that I brought with me if you'd like to
[1:43:51] see over the football season. And the
[1:43:54] grass this year actually appears to be
[1:43:56] in better condition than previous years.
[1:44:00] We have even offered our own money to
[1:44:01] help treat and maintain the grass. We're
[1:44:03] not asking to be part of the problem.
[1:44:05] We're just asking to be part of the
[1:44:06] solution because these aren't just
[1:44:08] football practices. These boys are
[1:44:10] learning discipline, accountability,
[1:44:12] teamwork, leadership, and what it means
[1:44:14] to show up for one another. Youth sports
[1:44:16] gives them community structure,
[1:44:18] mentorship, and a place to belong. These
[1:44:21] kids are not a burden. They are doing
[1:44:24] exactly what we want our kids to do.
[1:44:26] Getting outside, working hard, listening
[1:44:28] to coaches, and being part of something
[1:44:29] positive. So, let's find a solution.
[1:44:33] Rotate areas. Adjust
[1:44:35] Reed the high use areas and let us help.
[1:44:38] I invite every single one of you to come
[1:44:41] to a practice and watch these boys work.
[1:44:44] Meet the coaches and the families and
[1:44:46] see for yourself what these two hours
[1:44:48] mean for these boys because I know
[1:44:50] firsthand what they can mean. I grew up
[1:44:52] in a household where my mom was addicted
[1:44:54] to meth and my dad was an alcoholic.
[1:44:57] Sports was my only escape and it was my
[1:45:00] safe place. For these few hours, I had
[1:45:03] somewhere to go. People who expected me
[1:45:06] to show up and something positive to
[1:45:07] belong to. And when I look at these
[1:45:09] boys, I know some of them are carrying
[1:45:12] these things that we absolutely know
[1:45:13] nothing about. For one child, football
[1:45:16] may simply be something that he loves.
[1:45:19] For another, those two hours may be the
[1:45:22] safest two hours of his entire day. And
[1:45:25] I know that because I was once that kid.
[1:45:27] A field can be receded, a field can be
[1:45:29] repaired, and a field can be maintained.
[1:45:31] But we cannot give these years back to
[1:45:33] these kids. It's so much more than just
[1:45:36] grass. Our kids deserve a place to play
[1:45:38] and these kids are worth investing in.
[1:45:41] Thank you.
[1:45:49] » I guess I'll say something.
[1:45:53] [clears throat]
[1:45:54] >> Um I just feel like I should have
[1:45:56] because
[1:45:57] >> state your name.
[1:45:58] >> My name's Brian, guys.
[1:45:59] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:46:00] Um, I just feel like for me if I'm going
[1:46:02] to put something on social media, I
[1:46:04] should at least come and uh show my face
[1:46:06] and be willing to say it in person as
[1:46:08] well. Um, that doesn't happen as much
[1:46:10] nowadays. But I'll just read what I
[1:46:12] wrote is I just said that the city had a
[1:46:14] choice between uh protecting blades of
[1:46:16] grass
[1:46:17] um and our kids using the park we pay
[1:46:19] for with our taxes and the city chose
[1:46:22] grass over the kids.
[1:46:24] Um, you know, one question I have is
[1:46:26] that if we're so concerned about
[1:46:28] protecting the grass, purple tomato
[1:46:30] days, um, is great obviously, but
[1:46:34] that's, uh, August 31st through
[1:46:36] September 7th, and we're going to have
[1:46:38] thousands of people all over the grass,
[1:46:41] trampling the grass. If we're really
[1:46:43] concerned about the grass and if that is
[1:46:44] the issue is protecting the grass during
[1:46:47] drought conditions then why are we still
[1:46:50] you know why is it okay that we have her
[1:46:52] tomato days but it's not okay that the
[1:46:54] kids have a place to practice and again
[1:46:56] I I mean no offense by this at all but I
[1:46:58] just think that it's ironic that you
[1:47:00] know we start this meeting with a prayer
[1:47:02] and I think that's great but I think
[1:47:04] that if the intention behind that and
[1:47:06] that you know there's there's Christian
[1:47:07] beliefs behind that I just don't see
[1:47:09] that you know if we're looking at
[1:47:11] something from that perspective that uh
[1:47:14] there's no way that the kids would be
[1:47:16] kicked off the grass there. And uh the
[1:47:18] other thing too is just I just say thank
[1:47:21] God that other cities and other city
[1:47:23] councils are letting these kids play
[1:47:25] somewhere else away from here otherwise
[1:47:28] they would have nowhere to play. Um so I
[1:47:30] think like was mentioned as well I mean
[1:47:32] with kids nowadays as well like you know
[1:47:34] spending time inside in front of their
[1:47:36] screens like this is a good thing. So I
[1:47:38] think it's just and again just
[1:47:39] frustrating on my side. not sure that
[1:47:41] there's, you know, reasons and
[1:47:43] explanations, but the explanation that
[1:47:44] was given, I guess, just doesn't make
[1:47:46] sense. So, anyway,
[1:47:56] hello. My name is John Beck. Uh, I
[1:47:58] appreciate the opportunity of coming up
[1:47:59] here and speaking with the mayor and
[1:48:00] city council tonight. Um,
[1:48:03] I uh missed the initial part of the city
[1:48:06] council opening because I assisted in
[1:48:08] responding to an emergency in Hooper as
[1:48:10] I was driving over here and then
[1:48:12] occupied um vehicle that was um
[1:48:15] recklessly
[1:48:17] uh spinning in circles with the driver
[1:48:19] in the front seat. So, uh, we kind of
[1:48:23] deputy was, uh, lucky to be close and
[1:48:25] help in assisting that vehicle in
[1:48:26] stopping and and and getting that, uh,
[1:48:29] that driver who was unconscious medical
[1:48:31] attention. I'm here tonight because the
[1:48:33] city's decision to restrict organized
[1:48:34] youth sports, especially especially
[1:48:37] football, from our parks is directly
[1:48:38] moving our children and families from
[1:48:39] the very space that those parks were
[1:48:41] built for. This policy is not about
[1:48:43] making the fields maintenance or water
[1:48:44] use or whether our children are allowed
[1:48:46] to gather and play or grow in their
[1:48:48] community. I understand that every
[1:48:49] decision involves balancing uh competing
[1:48:52] priorities. Understand that maintaining
[1:48:54] our parks cost money and recognize the
[1:48:55] severity of the drought Utah is facing.
[1:48:57] Those are legitimate concerns. Many of
[1:48:59] us have sacrificed our own homes and
[1:49:00] lawns to conserve water. But mayor city
[1:49:03] council has to consider something even
[1:49:04] more valuable than grass, our children.
[1:49:06] The decision to prohibit organized
[1:49:08] sports, mainly football, from practicing
[1:49:10] in our parks has driven children and
[1:49:11] families out of the public spaces
[1:49:12] intended for their use. Please think
[1:49:14] about those words. You're driving
[1:49:16] children and families out of your parks.
[1:49:20] These aren't kids vandalizing our parks
[1:49:22] causing problems. They're children and
[1:49:24] families looking for a safe place where
[1:49:25] young people can work hard, build
[1:49:26] friendships, and learn positive
[1:49:28] attitudes from mentors.
[1:49:30] Youth sports aren't simply games.
[1:49:32] They're one on the best investment the
[1:49:33] community can make in his children.
[1:49:35] Research constantly associates youth
[1:49:37] sports and physical activity with better
[1:49:38] physical health, academic achievement,
[1:49:40] social connection, confidence,
[1:49:41] resilience, teamwork, and leadership.
[1:49:43] But I don't know this from research. I
[1:49:45] spent 14 years as a law enforcement
[1:49:47] officer, six of which were in Wever
[1:49:49] County, four of which were on Weaver
[1:49:50] County SWAT team serving members of
[1:49:52] Hooper. I've met countless adults who
[1:49:54] can still remember the coaches who
[1:49:56] changed their lives. That football field
[1:49:57] isn't grass. It's where kids learn
[1:49:59] accountability. It's where they learn to
[1:50:01] work through adversary adversary instead
[1:50:03] of quitting. It's where they built
[1:50:05] friendships instead of sitting alone
[1:50:07] behind a screen at home. It's where they
[1:50:09] spend two hours with positive coaches
[1:50:11] and teammates. coaches who volunteer
[1:50:13] their time freely instead of two hours
[1:50:15] looking somewhere else to belong. That's
[1:50:17] why I was so disappointed to hear the
[1:50:19] suggestions that our children trouble
[1:50:19] learning organized sports until high
[1:50:21] school. By the time their kids reach
[1:50:23] high school, they're just beginning to
[1:50:25] teach discipline, work ethic, teamwork,
[1:50:27] confidence, and pers perseverance.
[1:50:30] Those foundations should already have
[1:50:32] been built by the time they get there.
[1:50:35] I made a comment online about free
[1:50:38] scientific data. Data that is I work as
[1:50:41] a cop with Utah Department of
[1:50:43] Agriculture and Food and I know the
[1:50:44] services that they could provide to
[1:50:46] cities and assisting them with
[1:50:48] evaluating their grass moisture content,
[1:50:51] compactness, and other things like pH.
[1:50:57] There are many opportunities that the
[1:50:58] city council has that do not cost money,
[1:51:01] do not impact the city's budget, and
[1:51:03] will give scientific data to what
[1:51:05] >> Thank you.
[1:51:16] » Are there any other comments before we
[1:51:18] move on?
[1:51:20] Okay, seeing none, thank you. Okay, the
[1:51:23] next item on our agenda is motion which
[1:51:26] is approval of the minutes dated July
[1:51:29] 16th, 2026.
[1:51:31] Did everyone look through those minutes?
[1:51:33] Do you have any corrections? One one
[1:51:37] question I had was it said David Craig
[1:51:39] was on Zoom, but I believe he was here.
[1:51:42] He gave the prayer, but I wonder does
[1:51:46] remember I thought David was here in
[1:51:48] person. Did he do the prayer on Zoom?
[1:51:52] Okay. So, that's the only thing I It
[1:51:55] just said David Craig, city council
[1:51:57] Zoom. And I I believe he was here in
[1:51:59] person.
[1:52:02] Do any of you see any other corrections
[1:52:04] to the minutes?
[1:52:08] No. If there's not any other
[1:52:10] corrections, then is there a motion to
[1:52:11] approve the minutes?
[1:52:14] >> I'll make a motion to approve the
[1:52:15] minutes.
[1:52:17] What? June.
[1:52:20] What was the date?
[1:52:20] >> July 16.
[1:52:21] >> July 16th.
[1:52:22] >> Okay. The motion was made by council
[1:52:24] member Hancock. Is there a second?
[1:52:27] >> I'll second it.
[1:52:28] >> The second is made by council member
[1:52:30] Fowlers. Any discussion on the motion?
[1:52:34] >> All in favor say I.
[1:52:36] >> I.
[1:52:36] >> Any opposed? Okay, that motion carries.
[1:52:42] » Okay. The next thing we have on our
[1:52:44] agenda is a discussion on a
[1:52:47] transportation impact fee. So Taylor,
[1:52:51] the city engineer, put this together.
[1:52:54] Currently, Herper City does not have a
[1:52:56] transportation
[1:52:58] impact fee or a transportation utility
[1:53:01] fee. And it's a little bit different. He
[1:53:05] gave some um notes on this and I just
[1:53:10] wanted to do a discussion to see if this
[1:53:12] is something council would be interested
[1:53:14] in pursuing. Taylor said that there
[1:53:17] would be enough money already in the
[1:53:19] budget to be able to do this. We've
[1:53:21] already done our trans transportation
[1:53:23] study. So, that isn't anything that
[1:53:25] would need to be done and there would be
[1:53:27] enough money to do the transportation
[1:53:29] impact fee.
[1:53:31] A lot of times they do this, you know,
[1:53:33] um utility fee instead.
[1:53:37] So just wanted to know what your
[1:53:39] thoughts were on this if this is
[1:53:40] something you would like to pursue
[1:53:43] us doing or any thoughts.
[1:53:47] >> How does it get assessed? How do we
[1:53:49] assess that fee in conjunction with
[1:53:51] other fees?
[1:53:52] >> Yeah. So I think if it is a
[1:53:54] transportation impact fee then I think
[1:53:57] it's by
[1:53:59] travel on the road it's like for new
[1:54:01] developments.
[1:54:03] um which the transportation utility fee
[1:54:06] is also too but then you they assess how
[1:54:09] many cars we have driving on the road
[1:54:12] you know like I said it goes along with
[1:54:13] the transportation study that they have
[1:54:16] already done
[1:54:19] so I didn't know that this was going to
[1:54:22] be on here tonight
[1:54:24] I seen that but I didn't know what it
[1:54:26] was about but by coincidence I was
[1:54:30] actually talking to Jared Hanco about a
[1:54:33] whole different thing that came into
[1:54:35] this transportation fee. And Malcolm,
[1:54:38] you probably know more about this than
[1:54:41] uh any of us. Is that correct that you
[1:54:44] know something about this or what you've
[1:54:46] seen out there from other businesses?
[1:54:51] >> Just bring up Terra Strada.
[1:54:53] >> Other developments I've seen go through.
[1:54:55] There's typically cities have a
[1:54:56] transportation impact fee, but it's
[1:54:59] assessed, you know, application
[1:55:03] or approval, I suppose. So, yeah, for an
[1:55:07] instance in West Point, a transportation
[1:55:09] impact fee for commercial development is
[1:55:11] $7,600
[1:55:14] per 1,000 square ft of commercial
[1:55:18] development. So, that development we
[1:55:20] looked at earlier was 160,000
[1:55:23] square feet. So, it' be 160*
[1:55:27] 7,500 just for perspective.
[1:55:31] I don't know that fee in our fee
[1:55:33] schedule. It's a substantial fee that
[1:55:35] probably has real cost, but I'm not
[1:55:37] familiar with Taylor's talking about
[1:55:39] here, but I think it is something
[1:55:40] interesting to talk about for our
[1:55:43] growth. We have commercial development
[1:55:44] come in West Haven had to assess fees
[1:55:47] and pay those to them. They do it per
[1:55:49] trip. So, when you get a traffic study
[1:55:51] done, they do about $300 per trip that's
[1:55:54] generated. Then that is what your impact
[1:55:56] fee would be.
[1:55:59] Those are fees that developers would
[1:56:00] have paid in other cities for sure.
[1:56:02] Farming can have about $600 for $525 per
[1:56:05] trip that goes to the site, but the
[1:56:07] traffic study, you know, shows. So, I
[1:56:10] don't know. It's just an interesting
[1:56:11] thought. We're hoping we're just, you
[1:56:13] know, getting things put together, but
[1:56:16] it's about to get thoughts on it. I'm
[1:56:18] not an expert by any means, but we could
[1:56:19] definitely research it.
[1:56:23] » You know, I'd like to uh you know, terra
[1:56:28] doing this uh
[1:56:31] that fee right there to uh Terrada would
[1:56:35] go a long ways for helping us uh with
[1:56:38] the lift station and may prevent us from
[1:56:41] even having to do a CRA or
[1:56:46] >> I thought if this was something you were
[1:56:47] interested we could have Taylor come and
[1:56:49] do a presentation and explain it more.
[1:56:53] It is it is something we haven't done
[1:56:55] but as Malcol mentioned other cities do
[1:56:57] and So when they do road projects, if
[1:57:00] they have this already have this
[1:57:01] transportation impact fee or the utility
[1:57:04] fee, they already have money set aside
[1:57:06] for roads. So that's what I wanted your
[1:57:10] thoughts. If it's something you would
[1:57:11] like to hear more [clears throat] about,
[1:57:12] we could certainly do a presentation on
[1:57:15] because we we haven't had one in the
[1:57:16] past.
[1:57:18] >> I I wouldn't be about having a
[1:57:20] presentation being here. A reasonable
[1:57:23] amount that could be charged is between
[1:57:26] $10 to $30 a month per household and
[1:57:29] more for businesses. Great for
[1:57:30] businesses. Ain't no way in heaven I'm
[1:57:33] going to want to hit people with $10 a
[1:57:36] month more for per household for driving
[1:57:39] on the roads. That's just not going to
[1:57:41] work for me. That's $120 a year at the
[1:57:44] minimum. So yeah, if we can look into it
[1:57:47] towards commercial, great. But I'm not
[1:57:50] prepared to um
[1:57:53] pound something onto the the residents
[1:57:56] out here to drive the roads. I just
[1:57:57] don't think that's appropriate at this
[1:57:59] time.
[1:57:59] >> And along those lines, I would suggest
[1:58:01] there's even businesses in currently
[1:58:05] that use commercial vehicles on a very
[1:58:08] consistent basis that are very much so
[1:58:11] wearing and tearing on our roads more
[1:58:13] than the average citizen. So I'd like
[1:58:16] I'd be interested to know how apply a
[1:58:18] fee to a business that uses commercial
[1:58:21] transportation consistently and
[1:58:24] dependently
[1:58:25] if that's even a possibility.
[1:58:27] >> Can I can I just ask follow up? You're
[1:58:29] asking for current existing businesses
[1:58:33] that are using the infrastructure.
[1:58:37] So this specifically wasn't on the
[1:58:39] agenda. This is different. It's talking
[1:58:42] about a tough transportation utility fee
[1:58:44] as opposed to transportation impact. So,
[1:58:48] um, they're both possible both
[1:58:50] possibilities without
[1:58:52] this.
[1:58:53] >> So, we probably really do just need to
[1:58:55] get a property and have Taylor come and
[1:58:58] maybe explain the differences of what
[1:59:00] they are
[1:59:02] >> and how we Okay,
[1:59:05] >> maybe
[1:59:07] Cody may have a fair amount of expertise
[1:59:09] on this as well. I think in this memo he
[1:59:12] talks about Cody doing an assessment,
[1:59:14] but I don't know if Cody could be a
[1:59:15] resource. So,
[1:59:21] Okay. Well, I can get that arranged
[1:59:22] then. Okay. Thank you.
[1:59:25] Okay. The next thing on our agenda,
[1:59:29] and this is just something I wanted to
[1:59:30] discuss with you, a possible motion to
[1:59:32] change the September meeting dates. So,
[1:59:35] our city council meetings in September.
[1:59:40] » Yeah, we don't have any we don't have
[1:59:42] any public hearings tonight. So our our
[1:59:45] city council meetings in September, our
[1:59:48] first one would be September 3rd, but
[1:59:50] that is actually during Herford tomato
[1:59:52] days and so we would not be having a
[1:59:54] meeting that day. So what I wanted to
[1:59:56] discuss with you is if you are
[1:59:59] interested in shifting the meetings
[2:00:01] down. So the first city council meeting
[2:00:03] would be the 10th with planning
[2:00:05] commission the 17th and then another
[2:00:07] city council meeting on the 24th. or if
[2:00:10] you are good with only having one city
[2:00:13] council meeting in September and we just
[2:00:16] have that on September 17th. I I didn't
[2:00:19] know what you would prefer.
[2:00:21] >> I think we have so much stuff that we
[2:00:22] need to work on that we actually need
[2:00:24] two meetings. That would be my choice is
[2:00:28] to try and rearrange them because we
[2:00:30] have so many items in front of us right
[2:00:32] now that we need to deal with.
[2:00:38] » This is a comment from staff.
[2:00:40] If we move things around, that's going
[2:00:42] to the availability for the attorneys to
[2:00:45] be both the planning commission and the
[2:00:46] attorney and the city council meeting is
[2:00:49] going to be difficult. I think as it
[2:00:51] stands, we're great, but if we switch
[2:00:54] them or flop them, then our availability
[2:00:56] is going to be different. If you add
[2:00:58] just another council meeting, I think
[2:01:00] that would be
[2:01:02] easier for staff or attorneys.
[2:01:05] >> And that's another thing we talked
[2:01:06] about. We could have our city council
[2:01:08] meeting instead of the third if you
[2:01:11] wanted to do it another night the next
[2:01:13] week and still keep the planning
[2:01:16] commission the same
[2:01:19] whatever you feel like would work out
[2:01:22] better. I like to keep things uh the
[2:01:25] same month after month and I would
[2:01:27] prefer to go if we've got a ton of stuff
[2:01:31] I'd prefer to just be here longer that
[2:01:34] night and just get it done however long
[2:01:36] it takes me rather than throwing in
[2:01:39] another meeting and I want
[2:01:43] >> definitely need to have counsel here
[2:01:45] when we do anything. So what's going to
[2:01:47] work that way is good with me. But I
[2:01:49] just know we have a lot of stuff that we
[2:01:51] need to chew on.
[2:01:56] » Council member Flowers Hill, do you have
[2:01:58] any thoughts on this?
[2:02:00] >> Just to have one meeting on the 17th.
[2:02:03] >> It had to be longer.
[2:02:04] >> Okay. What do you think? Council member
[2:02:06] Hill.
[2:02:07] >> I agree. Also 10 for the plan 17 from
[2:02:10] council.
[2:02:10] >> Okay.
[2:02:11] >> As
[2:02:13] like you say then if we need to stay
[2:02:14] longer. So that's why I just wanted some
[2:02:17] discussion because sometimes it's been
[2:02:19] in the past. Oh, we, you know, we want
[2:02:20] to have two meetings. So, I just wanted
[2:02:22] to get your opinions on that. So, thank
[2:02:23] you. We'll just leave that as the same
[2:02:25] and just know on September 3rd there
[2:02:28] will be no city council meeting.
[2:02:31] Okay. So, the next what we have on our
[2:02:34] agenda is the approval of resolution
[2:02:38] number 2026.
[2:02:41] So, as you are aware, David Craig, who
[2:02:44] was one of our city council members, has
[2:02:46] moved. Actually, this morning, they were
[2:02:49] moving. And because of that, we now had
[2:02:51] a vacancy on our city council. And the
[2:02:54] state has some exact language of how we
[2:02:59] go about doing that. And this resolution
[2:03:02] that we need to pass first goes through
[2:03:04] and outlines exactly word for word how
[2:03:08] we go about
[2:03:10] doing this. Is there anything Darren you
[2:03:12] need to add with that besides
[2:03:15] >> No, we we discussed it last time. We do
[2:03:18] need to adopt it in order to move to the
[2:03:21] next step.
[2:03:24] So Darren, I know this is really petty
[2:03:26] again, but does it matter how we flip
[2:03:29] the coin? Whether we catch it or let it
[2:03:32] hit the ground, does that have to be in
[2:03:34] there?
[2:03:35] >> Did I not put that in there?
[2:03:37] >> It's on step five. Step five.
[2:03:41] >> It depends on the rep. So I guess that's
[2:03:44] the recorder,
[2:03:48] » okay? Okay. So, we need a motion then to
[2:03:52] approve resolution number 202606.
[2:03:57] >> I'll make that motion to approve
[2:03:58] resolution number 2026-06.
[2:04:00] [clears throat]
[2:04:02] » Okay. The motion was made by council
[2:04:04] member Hill. Is there a second?
[2:04:06] >> I'll second that.
[2:04:07] >> Second is made by council member Fowers.
[2:04:09] Any discussion on this motion?
[2:04:12] >> Okay. Because it is a resolution, we are
[2:04:14] going to do a roll call vote. We will
[2:04:17] start with council member Hill. Hi,
[2:04:19] >> Council Member Ato.
[2:04:21] >> Yes,
[2:04:21] >> Council Member Hancock.
[2:04:23] >> Hi,
[2:04:24] >> Council Member Fowers.
[2:04:25] >> Hi.
[2:04:25] >> Okay, that passes.
[2:04:28] Okay, so we had two candidates that put
[2:04:31] in an application from District 2,
[2:04:36] but I'm not seeing
[2:04:39] our other candidate here. I've seen one
[2:04:42] candidate. I'm not seeing our unless if
[2:04:45] I'm missing him. Is Austin Jones here?
[2:04:50] I I'm not seeing him.
[2:04:54] >> So, get notified.
[2:04:56] >> Yes. So, what do we
[2:04:59] do if the candidate does not show up? Do
[2:05:01] we just
[2:05:02] >> just proceed with the
[2:05:03] >> We still proceed the same way. We still
[2:05:06] have to receive a majority vote for the
[2:05:07] person.
[2:05:08] >> Sure. Okay. Okay. So, our other
[2:05:12] candidate is Matt. Matthew Kils. And so
[2:05:16] we have some questions that the council
[2:05:19] had turned in that Morgan is going to be
[2:05:21] reading. So if you would come up to the
[2:05:24] podium and we will ask those questions
[2:05:26] and then it's a very precise how the
[2:05:30] voting procedure actually goes. So thank
[2:05:32] you for being here.
[2:05:36] >> Thank you. [clears throat]
[2:05:38] So we're just going Morgan will just
[2:05:40] read the question to you and then you
[2:05:42] can just go ahead and answer the
[2:05:44] question.
[2:05:45] >> Okay.
[2:05:46] So question number one is what is
[2:05:49] your vision of the future growth of
[2:05:52] Hooper?
[2:05:53] >> Uh my vision of the future growth of
[2:05:55] Hooper is responsible growth and I know
[2:05:57] a lot of people have said what is
[2:06:00] responsible growth and responsible
[2:06:01] growth is [clears throat] play paying
[2:06:04] very close attention to what the general
[2:06:07] is also um
[2:06:10] looking at how we responsibly
[2:06:13] let our children live out here. I have
[2:06:16] three of my kids that live out here
[2:06:18] actually and I've got two more that are
[2:06:21] twins sitting back there hopefully
[2:06:22] they'll get married one of these days
[2:06:23] and [clears throat] they'll they'll get
[2:06:25] out here too. But it's so expensive to
[2:06:28] live out here and so I just thought, you
[2:06:31] know, I was able to do what eight
[2:06:34] generations of my family I mean actually
[2:06:37] the sixth generation no seventh
[2:06:40] generation in my family and my kids are
[2:06:43] the eighth generation that live in
[2:06:45] Hooper. My [clears throat] great great great grandpa was a bio
[2:06:49] wadsworth is gravestones here and I
[2:06:52] believe that uh I have a lot of sense of
[2:06:56] community and so I care a lot about how
[2:06:59] the growth at Hooker happens um and how
[2:07:02] it happens responsibly
[2:07:04] and how we obtain um
[2:07:10] revenues to help the city to grow as
[2:07:13] it's needed.
[2:07:18] Okay, question number two. What is one
[2:07:20] change that you would like to see in
[2:07:22] Hover?
[2:07:23] >> I'd like to see, as I mentioned before,
[2:07:27] um [clears throat] how we handle open
[2:07:29] space and how we open how we handle um
[2:07:34] certain areas of Hooker that wants to
[2:07:36] stay rural in certain parts of Hooker
[2:07:39] that wants to develop. And um I believe
[2:07:42] there's there's a way to work that out.
[2:07:45] Um especially with how many I mean
[2:07:49] there's the good people of Upward. I
[2:07:51] knew a lot of I know a lot of them and
[2:07:55] they've expressed that same thing to me.
[2:07:59] >> Okay. Question number three. Tell us how
[2:08:01] committed you are to attending two
[2:08:03] council meetings per month. In addition,
[2:08:05] how willing are you to take on
[2:08:06] additional assignments and attend other
[2:08:08] meetings outside of the regular Thursday
[2:08:10] schedule?
[2:08:11] >> Well, I'm semi-retired, so I'll be able
[2:08:14] to do that.
[2:08:16] >> Perfect. Um, question four. What
[2:08:19] direction do you see Hooper City going?
[2:08:21] >> I see Hooper City going in a direction
[2:08:24] that um for a long time we were never a
[2:08:28] city. It was just always Hooper out
[2:08:29] here. And I remember when we weren't a
[2:08:32] city and And we just basically had to
[2:08:35] hurry up and make the city because Roy
[2:08:37] was taking Roy I I don't know if you
[2:08:40] know but Roy Hooper used to go up to the
[2:08:42] railroad tracks and and slowly they took
[2:08:47] Hooper
[2:08:49] all the way down to the gas station down
[2:08:52] here. But anyways, um I really believe
[2:08:55] strongly that Uber
[2:08:58] um has a lot of responsible and
[2:09:02] potential growth with community and
[2:09:05] sense of community and keeping it rural
[2:09:08] and at the same time doing what kind
[2:09:11] what I kind of feel like West Point has
[2:09:14] done. I feel like they've done a pretty
[2:09:17] good job at trying to balance that and
[2:09:19] that's how I feel about Hooker.
[2:09:23] Okay, last question. What do you see as
[2:09:25] a concern for Heer? Um, I see a concern
[2:09:30] um with
[2:09:35] revenues and
[2:09:38] I own a business and I understand
[2:09:42] revenues and how revenues work and how
[2:09:44] they don't work and I feel like I'm able
[2:09:47] to uh with my company that I was with
[2:09:52] for 40 years that I was able to develop
[2:09:54] a pretty big pretty
[2:09:58] prosperous business and understand what
[2:10:00] the revenues do to run a city or run a
[2:10:03] business.
[2:10:07] » Okay. Thank you. So, it's a very strict
[2:10:10] voting process and Morgan will pass out
[2:10:13] a sheet of paper to each of us. We have
[2:10:15] to write our name on that sheet of
[2:10:17] paper. And do I explain a little bit
[2:10:20] now?
[2:10:21] >> I do. Did we receive any notice that
[2:10:24] this other person has taken their name
[2:10:26] out?
[2:10:27] So, I just would let the council know
[2:10:29] that the other person is still up for a
[2:10:31] vote for for council.
[2:10:35] Um, whether they accept that or not,
[2:10:38] that's a different thing. So, we're
[2:10:39] going to still do the same thing through
[2:10:41] the paper.
[2:10:41] >> So, the name of the other person is
[2:10:43] Austin Jones.
[2:10:45] >> Okay. Thank you.
[2:11:42] Yes. Say the
[2:11:48] Okay. So with Ryan or sorry, Council
[2:11:51] Member Hancock, Matt Kilts,
[2:11:54] Council Member Bowers, Matt Kilts, Mary
[2:11:57] Roado or Council Member Roto, Matt
[2:12:00] Kilts, Council Member Hill, Matt Kilts,
[2:12:03] and then Mayor Matt Kils.
[2:12:06] >> Oh, and I'm so sorry. I think I went
[2:12:08] over some procedure incorrectly last
[2:12:10] time. The code is written poorly.
[2:12:13] whether the mayor can vote. It's written
[2:12:15] very poorly. I think it could be argued
[2:12:17] either or, but I think to be safe, the
[2:12:19] mayor's vote should not she can't count
[2:12:21] unless there is a tie. But it's still
[2:12:24] written poorly. I'm going that's on the
[2:12:26] record.
[2:12:31] » Okay.
[2:12:32] >> You will work on fixing that.
[2:12:35] >> Okay. So, um, with the majority of the
[2:12:38] vote, you are our new District 2 city
[2:12:41] council member, and we are going to have
[2:12:43] you come up and Morgan is going to do
[2:12:47] your oath of office to swear you in. And
[2:12:50] then after that oath of office, we would
[2:12:52] welcome you to come up and sit on the
[2:12:54] DAS and you can motion on the last thing
[2:12:57] that we have, well, two things on our
[2:12:59] agenda tonight. So, if you'd like to
[2:13:02] come up here with Morgan,
[2:13:12] » just your right arm.
[2:13:18] Okay. Um, so just repeat after me. I
[2:13:21] Matt Guilt.
[2:13:22] >> I'm Matt Guilt. having been elected to
[2:13:25] the office of
[2:13:26] >> having been elected to the office of
[2:13:28] >> district two
[2:13:30] >> do solemnly swear
[2:13:33] >> that I will support obey and defend
[2:13:37] >> the Constitution of the United States
[2:13:41] >> and the Constitution of the State of
[2:13:43] Utah
[2:13:43] >> and the Constitution of the State of
[2:13:45] Utah
[2:13:45] >> and that I will discharge
[2:13:47] >> and I will discharge
[2:13:48] >> the duties of my office
[2:13:51] >> with fidelity
[2:13:52] >> with fidility
[2:13:54] Thank you.
[2:13:56] >> Okay. Thank you. And we'll have you come
[2:13:58] up and sit by Council Member Fowers.
[2:14:01] >> Thank you. We appreciate your
[2:14:03] willingness to serve.
[2:14:05] Okay. So, the next thing we have on our
[2:14:08] agenda then is a motion for Mayor Pro
[2:14:10] Tim for 2026.
[2:14:16] » I'd like to make a motion uh that we uh
[2:14:21] propose
[2:14:23] or
[2:14:23] >> nominate motion to nominate Councilman
[2:14:27] Hill as prom 2026.
[2:14:32] >> Okay, the motion was made by council
[2:14:34] member Rapalto. Is there a second?
[2:14:36] >> Second.
[2:14:37] is made by council member
[2:14:38] Hancock. All in favor?
[2:14:41] >> I I
[2:14:43] >> Do I see the vote?
[2:14:44] >> Yes, you vote.
[2:14:48] » Okay, that was unanimous. So,
[2:14:50] >> that was reluctant.
[2:14:52] I'm not going to say that.
[2:14:54] >> Thank you.
[2:14:55] for being willing to be our
[2:14:57] mayor.
[2:14:58] >> Okay. So, the last thing on our agenda then is for adjournment. If
[2:15:03] there's someone that would like to make
[2:15:04] a motion to adjourn.
[2:15:06] >> I'll make a motion to adjourn. This fun
[2:15:08] meeting.
[2:15:09] >> Is there a second?
[2:15:10] >> Second. Okay. Motion made by council
[2:15:13] member Hancock, second by council member
[2:15:15] Kils. All in favor?
[2:15:18] >> Okay. Thank you. And thank you all of
[2:15:20] you for coming to our meeting. We held
[2:15:21] their hand mark.