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end of May.

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>> All right. So, like to welcome everybody

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to our work meeting. Thank you for being

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here.

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>> Get it.

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>> Good times. I appreciate you guys. So,

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uh let's start with um a couple of

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things. Um any volunteers for the

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pledge.

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>> You got that?

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>> Sure.

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>> Okay.

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I appreciate that.

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>> What can I get for you?

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>> All right. Uh any volunteer for the

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reverence?

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>> I can do that.

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>> Look at you, Nate.

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You're that close.

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>> All right, that's easy enough. Um, let's

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just start going through. It doesn't

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look like we have any consent items. So,

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>> um, action items. So, um, let's talk

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about the first one for a second with

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Bridger Smith.

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>> So, this is the property on 4600

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uh, that he wants to redevelop into

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that.

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So, I and I'm glad Nick's here because I

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did want to ask Nick a question. So,

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is not the land owner

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>> and we don't have written consent from

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the land owner to apply.

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>> So we we've seen it previously where

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landowner will apply they'll send

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somebody in theirstead to speak about it

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but my concern is it's not the land

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owner on that application.

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>> Yeah that's a great concern. So what we

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should do is probably if if you're open

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to it uh you could approve it

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conditional upon him supplying recommend

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approval

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>> if we choose

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the the

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It is a connected landowner, but

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>> you're right. We should

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>> That's a good though.

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>> Um, so what what do you guys think about

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>> So, the only concern that I have is it's

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currently zoned for R1 one acre.

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>> It future land use map is 75,

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>> right?

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>> It's a half an acre. The only argument

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that is in pro of that is the literally

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the house right next to it is 36. The

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5271. No, no, that's not 5271. That's

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like 51.91 or something like that.

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>> No, you got

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>> 52.95. So maybe

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he just wants to line them up

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>> is that second house.

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>> Yeah, he wants this is his house he's

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carving off.

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>> And that corner house is owned by the

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same landowner that other 5271.

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>> The only concern that I have is like

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that's the only one that is an out

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>> is outside of the rest of the zoning.

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every other lot in the surrounding area

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is 0.9ish and bigger.

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>> So, are we going to set some precedents

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that'll carry because now we have two in

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there, are we just being convinced to do

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a halfacre because the neighbor is a

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>> Well, my concern is if we carve that off

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and that's what the next step is when we

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come back and want to carve the whole

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thing in half acre.

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>> That's my concern.

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>> Yeah, that's going to set a precedence.

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>> You can't we can't just reszone that

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little tiny corner, right? We we'd be

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reszoning the whole parcel.

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>> No, we're going to resone. He gave a

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description.

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identify. He gave a pretty decent

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description and he's identifying and he

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says either a half might even say a 3/4

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package.

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>> It said existing land was 13.95

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and it would result in a 13.45

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>> Yeah. So wants to apply the zone to then

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this one's a little weird because it's

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just like you're typically seeking the

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zoning necessary to actually subdivide

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still. I know that sounds weird, but

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that could eventually carve this off.

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They'll need to subdivide still, too.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So, he'll come back in for a

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>> He will. Even though the house is

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already there,

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>> he will. They have to subdivide it off

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of the main partial. And that'll help us

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further solidify, you know, but the

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design just needs to be overlaid

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appropriately before he goes through the

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subdivision process.

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>> I guess I don't have a problem with the

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three if he went 3/4. That's where my

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kind of fit.

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>> We got sewer, right? We got sewer there.

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>> So, Weaver Morgan Health's not an issue

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>> I mean, you guys probably seen the email

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>> so everything down 5375 is one acres,

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>> 0.9 or 0.92. I looked at like everyone

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>> Some some of them are big obviously.

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>> What's on the north side of 46? They're

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all one acres.

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>> They're all one or bigger. 5248 I think

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is 0.91. The other one's like seven cuz

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it has the it's like a U-shaped

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horseshoe around it.

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>> Most of them are like 0.9ish.

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>> But over there on 5050 West, scroll to

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your left or pull to your left. Your

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other left.

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>> Your other left.

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halves aren't they?

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right is that outside?

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>> 51 5100 is

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>> where 4825

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is going to be our new we got some half

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acres for

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Happy Valley, right?

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» We do have half acres

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>> here in Happy Valley. Yeah.

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» When did they get

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>> They're all built out. There's the

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He's Yeah, he's right in here.

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» I would feel more comfortable if he

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would be willing to go 75.

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>> Me, too.

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>> Because then it hits our future land use

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map. It doesn't set precedents on the

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rest of the 13. I mean, I know you can

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protect us as you go through develop or

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subdivision, but

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>> if it's a reason to

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>> Yeah, we can come. [clears throat]

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» I think it'll be it'll be open to the

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conversation.

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>> Can we approve it conditionally based on

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a letter and a 75 adjustment in the

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boundaries instead of a 0.5 or does it

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we need to see the adjustment prior to

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approval?

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>> No, you can you can approve it

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conditionally as long as he's

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>> his application is for halfacre. So, If

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he's amenable to saying, "Yeah, I'll do 75." Cool. You can condition it.

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>> Tucker, what's your thoughts?

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>> No, I like that idea. I think it's a

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good idea. I just want to make sure it's

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only that piece though. It's not the

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whole parcel.

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>> Yeah, just that.

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>> Well, while we're on that real quick, I

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your packet does he not

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>> I was trying to read through. I don't

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>> He has it highlighted in yellow.

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>> He has it highlighted.

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>> Did he give a description? had him type

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out a a written description. There's a

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legal description, but I don't know if

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it means the whole thing or if it just

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>> Okay. Yeah. So, he does. There's Yeah.

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How do I go down far enough? There's

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another sheet that talks.

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>> It's just a one paragraph description of

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trying to You mean it's not quite

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illegal, but it's his best stab at, you

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know, squaring the lot up. And

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>> that might have to be modified if you

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guys right,

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>> meaning he probably calls out a depth,

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right? You might have to do some quick

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discussion with him and modify his, you

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>> have him modify it in the 3/4 in

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that'sed up.

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Okay. Maybe just make sure those

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description.

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>> So, he he resubmit or alter his

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application.

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>> He wouldn't have to resubmit. He'd have

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to just alter his application.

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>> He could alter it here and say,

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» "All right, we good on that one?"

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>> I'm just trying to move forward.

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>> No, I just was looking up Okay.

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>> Get why he wants to do half because it

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would line up with everything else. Mine

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would be crisper, but

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>> I don't want to open a can.

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>> He can go wider.

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>> Um, reszone request two for Tanaguch.

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» Right off the top of your head, what's

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>> Well, I I think I I don't think there's

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any benefit to the city for doing it,

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which is one of the main questions. of

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us amending

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zoning. How does it benefit the city?

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>> Well, it's going to add another 25 roofs

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in there.

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>> How many does she want to do?

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>> She wants to go to half acres

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>> on the whole thing.

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>> The whole thing that parcel. Can you

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pull that parcel? 24 acres.

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>> So, but her sister has already has a

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regional lift station.

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So Rosson Ranch is technically four

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phases right here.

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>> Let's see if this will boundaries.

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>> So there's the part two for Rosson

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Ranch. [clears throat]

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>> Yeah. So Rosson Ranch built out a lift

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station

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that services the tor daily piece.

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>> Yeah. They told me told us it could

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handle 700 connections.

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>> Um

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the BRS runs been built out a half acre.

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You can see phase 2 is in now. How does

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the sewer run to that lift station off

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5100 or would they have is there an

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easement between the lots on Rosson that

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bring it over from you?

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>> It's a good question.

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» If only someone

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>> Where did you say lift station was?

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>> I can pull up the sewer map.

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>> We're not

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pun.

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» Yeah, that's funny. Good job, Nick.

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>> He's got good dad jokes

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>> quick. I mean, I know that doesn't

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really change why we're trying to do it.

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>> Just curious. Just

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>> she obviously wants to out, which makes

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sense, but I don't know how that

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benefits.

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>> Well, if you listen to her as you walk

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out last time, she just wants to do the

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frontage so that when Utah brings the

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road in, it's worth more money. It's

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half.

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>> Yeah. Her application, she didn't say

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she doesn't have any intentions of

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changing what her using what she's using

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the land for now. But

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>> this gets me

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>> once it's zone. She can do whatever she

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wants.

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>> This gets beyond the scope a little bit,

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but just to make sure we're all on the

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same page. The impact study that was

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done as part of that lift station

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anticipated well didn't anticipate the

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study done off of 116 lots that included her piece all of Rosson

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Ranch and the Tory piece and then one

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other parcel I'm not familiar with LRS

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and the properties 9.1 acres either way

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all centralized there was 116 I had our

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engineer look at it 116 lots is solely

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what the impact study was based off

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actual capacity was is more I don't know

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the exact but half acres would probably

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function for the entire land use for all

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the land that goes there could

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potentially do that. So to tie into

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that, would that be something where

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she'd end up having to pay through like

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a pioneering agreement to

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>> There's a pioneering agreement set up.

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Yeah. Through Rosson Ranch. So that

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would be something that when she

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actually went through the subdivision

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process, we'd reevaluate. And I also

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think at that point once subdivision, we

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might have to reassess the impact fee

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because it was done at a bigger density.

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But that's a little over my I don't

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know. We get with everyone. But that

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being said, I I do think there's

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capacity at the lift station of any

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significance.

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>> Yeah. Did the city front any of that or

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was pioneering the Rosson paid for it

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and so the Rosson would reimburse

329
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>> so it doesn't benefit the city at all?

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>> No, I just I know what she said in that

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change tomorrow.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And right now it's

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>> Yeah. R1 R1

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>> and then in the future

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that agricultural protection area

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>> I guess to get technical maybe

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It was the impact was 116 homes

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[clears throat]

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and that would have been a oneacre loss.

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He's telling us this lift station could

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do 204 ohms as opposed to the 116 in

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terms of capacity

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is

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>> I just so a couple thoughts around this.

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So when we talk about what her

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intentions are and what she really do

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with it to they're talking about doing a

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general plan review anyway.

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So it would be nice to get some input

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from people about what they want to see

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because if we're going to open that up

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for this it should bring something to

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the city and it doesn't.

355
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>> I just we did get application I don't

356
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say sorry. We got an application for the

357
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toy piece and I haven't quite filled it

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all the way but it was for half day as

359
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well I think

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just recently I mean I mean just maybe

361
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yesterday

362
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>> we were we were looking at doing that

363
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allowing that instead of drug alcohol

364
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>> which has a better

365
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>> but yeah so I I wouldn't be surprised if

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this piece is just this portion of it

367
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it's not the whole thing but this

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portion of it just made application.

369
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>> Yes.

370
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>> To tie into Rosson on that 53.

371
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>> Yeah, they want halfacre asking request

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half acres as well.

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facts and [clears throat] backgrounds.

374
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>> I thought you know if they open the

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general plan becomes open then I think

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we evaluate

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our based on our when we first as I look

378
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at that continue to look at that we did

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it in blocks basically from 59 west it's

380
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one from 59 to here it's

381
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>> I think it needs to be a little more if

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there's sewer maybe you have an

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opportunity. I don't know.

384
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>> Well, and I So, I had I had about an

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hourong conversation with Tony George.

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Do you know who Tony is? So, she lives

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east of me, right there across from

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Rocky Mountain.

389
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>> Okay.

390
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>> And she does um title work for a living.

391
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And we had a great conversation. She

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talked about some of that stuff. She's

393
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like, "Yeah, where the city has planned

394
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out like halfacre lots.

395
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>> It's already either developed or you

396
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can't develop it because the way the

397
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acres are set up, you can't behind it.

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So yeah, I think there's some

399
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opportunity when they open up the plan

400
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to do that. But for the purpose of

401
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conver or the you know for the

402
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conversation tonight, I don't know if I'm comfortable with

403
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that. I don't see

404
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the benefit to the city.

405
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>> Yeah, it it would be more of a drain.

406
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It's more roads, more connections, more

407
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everything.

408
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>> Do we service Rosson Ranch with plowing

409
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and we own all that?

410
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They don't have a homec.

411
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» When you say open the general plan,

412
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you're saying that meeting with JB.

413
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>> Well, they're going to that's the whole

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purpose of that group that they put

415
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together revisit redirect.

416
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>> Yeah, I agree. I wonder if that's when

417
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we address

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something like that.

419
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>> Well, so that would be my question. If

420
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we deny this tonight, they can't apply

421
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again for 12 months, right?

422
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>> That's how they are. Yeah.

423
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>> Even if we change, you

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>> table it and then they can't

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read

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on,

427
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but I would imagine if there's a general

428
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plan amendment that might create a

429
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restart.

430
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>> Yeah. That might say, well, you know, we

431
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denied it on the fact that we were

432
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working off an old general plan.

433
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Usually there has to be some kind of

434
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material change.

435
00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,120
>> Yeah, that's how our code reads is one

436
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material change and you could reapply

437
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[clears throat] otherwise. Yeah, it

438
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calls out the petition is denied by the

439
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city council. Line owner may again apply

440
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for 12 months for the original

441
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because of the other

442
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items that we

443
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>> but they're you know they're distinctly

444
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different, right?

445
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to do the next one. We have to

446
00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,600
>> Well, that's an just for a case by case

447
00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,800
basis though.

448
00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,240
>> You don't I don't think you have to open

449
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the whole plan if that makes any sense.

450
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>> You know, I think the conversation have

451
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another piece where it's tied with the

452
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commercial that is a benefit.

453
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>> I think that kind of would shut down

454
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that conversation. It's a great point. I

455
00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,120
mean, I didn't I don't know if it opens

456
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the whole thing or you just section.

457
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>> I don't think either way could open it

458
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at any time as well.

459
00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,039
>> I don't think that there's a I'm just

460
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trying to think out of the box. I don't

461
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think there's a development behind this

462
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uh reason request, at least not a

463
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pending one. So, I don't know if a

464
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similar discussion what you just had on

465
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the last one. Do you want to maybe see

466
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if it align with the future land use

467
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map? I don't know if that's of interest.

468
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>> I am a little confused with the future

469
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land use map because it says the

470
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agricultural protection area and I

471
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looked that up online.

472
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>> That would have been self selected. We

473
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just recognize it, meaning she's done

474
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something with the state for that. She

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can convert her at any point.

476
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>> So, so if it if it is developed though,

477
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the way I read it online is you have to

478
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have every adjacent land owner has to

479
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have a written letter to the city

480
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allowing us to develop the land or

481
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resone the land

482
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>> to take it out of that agriculture

483
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protection or is it that

484
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>> it's agriculture protection? Is that one where like my father-in-law's

485
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is on

486
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some agricultural designation and that's

487
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just so

488
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>> agricultural protection area.

489
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>> It really protects them against multiple

490
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things if it is a truly gets put in an

491
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APA. It protects them from a little bit

492
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of potential imminent domain.

493
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>> I wish that showed our future but it

494
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doesn't.

495
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>> I have the future actually. Oh yeah.

496
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>> So you're saying that you got that

497
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information

498
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>> from either land owner from some type of

499
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protection

500
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>> on the parcel.

501
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>> Is it off the future land use map that

502
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you're seeing in his

503
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current land use shows the desire one?

504
00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,440
>> Yeah. Pull the future land use.

505
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>> Correct.

506
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>> It won't pull up.

507
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>> We'll just go to the school website

508
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>> because that's where I'm like why would

509
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we If it is our future land use map does

510
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call for agriculture protection area,

511
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why would we go to halfacre?

512
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>> And if it is agriculture protection

513
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area, does that allow for any

514
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development at all? Like is that

515
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considered halfacre lots, 3/4 acre lots,

516
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,559
1acre lots? Like what does that mean?

517
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>> I'm pretty sure it was self-imposed. I

518
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don't think we went through and placed

519
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agriculture protection on people's

520
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,679
parcels. I think they had filed

521
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something with the state to receive

522
00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:19,120
agriculture protection and then we're

523
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recognizing it in our future land use

524
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map. I don't I would have to look at the

525
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process They're changing, but let me

526
00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:26,080
pull up a few things while you guys keep

527
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:26,640
talking.

528
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,559
>> Yeah. So, I just don't really understand

529
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that that well, even with my research.

530
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:36,950
>> That's a fair point.

531
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,720
» So, I think that's just a protection

532
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:39,760
overlay.

533
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,600
>> So, it's still considered R1, but it's

534
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,039
just overlaid with the protection.

535
00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:44,640
That's kind of what I

536
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,000
>> assumed.

537
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>> Go north.

538
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:53,413
>> Yeah. that big piece green.

539
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[clears throat]

540
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So it has an underbuilt open

541
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» basically it just means that it can

542
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,280
minimize nuisance complaints for people

543
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,200
that live nearby that are complaining

544
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,960
about livestock and whatever else.

545
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,280
>> It is an overlay zone. It's like

546
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,559
>> So it's an overlay.

547
00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:39,600
>> So it's still R1.

548
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,950
Yeah. This protects them from just

549
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» your neighbor. So it's still

550
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,159
>> That's what I assume, but I want to make

551
00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:48,400
sure.

552
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:54,390
>> Yeah, it's good heads up.

553
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,000
What does it say on the right? What's

554
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,159
the AI stuff? It's on the right there.

555
00:20:58,159 --> 00:21:00,960
Yeah. What's that?

556
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:15,430
Or not?

557
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,470
» Yeah.

558
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,760
So, Travis mentioned like what's the to

559
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,120
the city. But if you look at all of

560
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:24,799
them, like what's the benefit to any any

561
00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:26,320
halfacre lot community that we've

562
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,600
approved?

563
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,400
>> I mean, this is I wasn't a part of any

564
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,360
of those approvals. Ranch Ranch did put

565
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:34,880
the Miller station, which does benefit

566
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,400
the city for future development.

567
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,200
>> I think that Rosson Ranch was approved a

568
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,280
couple of commissions and council ago.

569
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,559
It's been

570
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:45,760
>> it's been a while and it may have fit

571
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,600
and I know part of that had to do with

572
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,440
the lift station. provided the lift

573
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,000
station

574
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,760
>> which is benefit the city

575
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,000
>> which was a tradeoff for density.

576
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,919
>> Yeah. Basically, you're going to provide

577
00:21:55,919 --> 00:21:57,760
some regional lift regional

578
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,880
>> growth opportunity.

579
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,799
>> That was definitely what I told the

580
00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:02,960
discussion was for us, which makes sense

581
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,240
to me. I just wanted to make sure I

582
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,240
could wrap my head around why like what

583
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,510
is [clears throat]

584
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:15,830
so

585
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,559
I either table it or We'll discuss this

586
00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:20,080
when we open up the plan.

587
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,720
>> Well, if we if we deny it, then either

588
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,960
way, yeah, if they change the plan, they

589
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,200
can reapply. Otherwise, it's

590
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,789
>> Yeah.

591
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,159
» I don't know.

592
00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:40,870
>> Yeah.

593
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,799
» I don't think we have to. Please. That's

594
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:46,789
in our code.

595
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:49,120
But hold on a second. I don't think that

596
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,039
opens

597
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,600
the future land.

598
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,799
>> Does the future land use? I don't think

599
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,520
it does.

600
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,070
That's right. Sorry.

601
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,440
» It still doesn't fit future land use at

602
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,430
all. It's our

603
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,200
» Have we heard a timeline on that general

604
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,120
plan?

605
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:16,159
Yeah, we have uh I'd have to pull it up.

606
00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:17,760
I think it's December or January.

607
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,880
should have the general plan

608
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,000
process.

609
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,400
>> So, we don't pretty quick.

610
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,080
>> I'll pull it up. But yeah, I think that

611
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,840
was the last time they gave us. So,

612
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,600
>> that's the reason I asked that is I

613
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,760
don't want to like bind them to a

614
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,000
one-year denial. If if it was going to

615
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,440
be a year till that's done anyway, then

616
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,480
doesn't really matter. But,

617
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,240
>> but if we change it, they have to apply

618
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:38,880
anyways.

619
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,280
>> True.

620
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,430
>> Yeah.

621
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:55,830
changes it to that

622
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,919
discussion.

623
00:23:57,919 --> 00:23:59,360
>> That's where I'm at. Just wait.

624
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,039
Especially if we're going to be starting

625
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:05,200
to really discuss it first of year.

626
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,440
>> And it's kind of a futuristic thing

627
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,039
anyway. It's not like they're pending

628
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:10,640
like they got tractors on the ground

629
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,350
trying to dig. All

630
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,520
right. I think we wait till December.

631
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,679
>> Perfect. Okay. Let's move on to the main

632
00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:18,000
event.

633
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,320
>> We can discuss it more.

634
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,640
>> So item C, resone request general plan

635
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:29,750
amendment uh for the terrorist property.

636
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,320
» Start.

637
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,039
>> So So this has changed all the time. So

638
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:36,720
I attend I try and come to all the

639
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:43,840
council meetings and the first one we received was a reason

640
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,640
or a discussion to open the general

641
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,279
plan. The second one was a reasonzone

642
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,000
request and then it didn't have anything

643
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,520
on there about the master development

644
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,720
agreement. So I asked Darren at the time

645
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,960
is that included and he didn't think so.

646
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,480
I think him and Nick communicated

647
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,159
about that. So that's why D showed up on

648
00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:04,880
here.

649
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,600
>> Correct.

650
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,360
>> So, um,

651
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,919
>> we should have a public hearing on D. It

652
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:12,320
might be

653
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,720
>> Yeah, it might be just repetitive on C,

654
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,880
but as part of that, we should open it

655
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,159
up for public.

656
00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:20,159
>> Okay.

657
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:21,440
>> I think seven months on the general

658
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,480
plan, we're two months in. So, what they

659
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,440
told us to do.

660
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,919
>> Um,

661
00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:30,320
okay. Put that capital public hearing.

662
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,840
So because I obviously three very

663
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,679
different topics there, right?

664
00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:36,320
>> Yes.

665
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,799
>> So

666
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,279
>> I mean I So on the very on the first

667
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:45,190
part in my opinion

668
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,840
» I I'm not

669
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,320
I'm I'm not opposed to opening the

670
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,799
general plan. We're five years into it.

671
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:54,640
We're halfway through its lifespan if

672
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,919
you want to call that.

673
00:25:57,919 --> 00:25:59,600
But then you know that moves to topic

674
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,760
two which would be a reason request. So

675
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,467
I are you guys open to what are

676
00:26:05,467 --> 00:26:07,200
[clears throat] your thoughts? Just the

677
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,799
first question are we open to

678
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,360
>> I'm open to that because there's benefit

679
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,200
for the city and there's opportunity

680
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,000
here to build something that could if

681
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,279
done correctly could be beneficial.

682
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:24,080
I think so too because it's I mean the

683
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,279
front part of that property is already

684
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,039
future language for commercial anyways.

685
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,279
>> Correct.

686
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,799
>> I think the biggest hiccup is the

687
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:33,520
zoning.

688
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,279
>> Yeah.

689
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:36,640
>> The type of zoning.

690
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,240
>> So here's a question real quick. Would

691
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,799
this be this would this be the last time

692
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:42,240
we see

693
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960
>> the reszone application

694
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,440
or Okay.

695
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,240
>> Yeah.

696
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:55,110
>> And the and the DA. Cor

697
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,480
» and then we wouldn't touch it again

698
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,279
because then it would go to TRC.

699
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:01,919
>> Well, after the council were to make any

700
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:04,240
motion for their res and after a reason

701
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,120
they'll have their zoning and to be able

702
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,799
support um obviously the development as

703
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,400
you guys are aware and then from there

704
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,720
we would start with infrastructure plat

705
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,120
preliminary plat final plat just as our

706
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:18,880
typical subdivision processes.

707
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,760
>> Yeah. So like

708
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,360
>> so you guys would see in a preliminary

709
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,360
plan, but it would be for an approval

710
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,120
based off of infrastructure that we

711
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:25,520
worked through.

712
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,720
>> So yeah, what we're looking at here is I

713
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,240
correct me if I'm wrong. This is a

714
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,360
mockup. This isn't a final platform.

715
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,840
It's as final as we might get for we're

716
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,520
trying to get it pretty close. Yeah, it

717
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,159
is a mockup,

718
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:39,679
>> but they Yeah, they want it in the DA

719
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:41,760
trying to get it. We're trying this in

720
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,279
the DA. Yeah, the applicants tried to

721
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:44,720
build in some flexibility that's

722
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,480
reasonable but isn't as uh broad as what

723
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,400
we were doing in the past. For instance,

724
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,080
you could you guys in the past there was

725
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,679
always commotion. Well, how many units

726
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:55,120
are we talking? Well, we know how many

727
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,000
units, right? The units are here. We can identify the units and there are

728
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,480
certain things that'll stay, but the DA

729
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,000
seems to contemplate. We know it's

730
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,919
potential road movement and realignment

731
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:06,159
as infrastructure and things go in, but

732
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:08,559
the units, the usage, those are the big

733
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:10,000
things at the VA that we want to make

734
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,630
sure we nail down.

735
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,230
Um, we'll talk about the DA.

736
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,679
» Yeah. So, so my thoughts, my opinion,

737
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:27,760
I'm not comfortable with the flex zone

738
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,799
at all. So, my thoughts, my thoughts

739
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,720
around that would be stick with current

740
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,200
zoning. And I know when Mr. Adams was

741
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,240
here, he was talking about, well, we

742
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,840
don't know if we can get commercial and

743
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,279
we want to just be able to shift to

744
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,520
housing. My thought would be something

745
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,840
conditional in there that look if we're

746
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,760
going to make it commercial and if after

747
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,840
a certain amount of time you're not able

748
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,840
to attract that then you can reapply to

749
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:50,799
have that res.

750
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:51,520
>> Yeah.

751
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,360
>> So on their on the applicants resone

752
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,120
map. So that'd be that green area.

753
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,679
>> Yeah.

754
00:28:57,679 --> 00:28:59,600
>> That little green square that's that

755
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,880
mixed use that they want

756
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,000
>> down there on the

757
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,080
>> Yeah. kind of that lower left next to

758
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,120
the retention pond.

759
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,880
>> Yeah. basically the retention pond, the

760
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,200
hardware store, and a portion of that up

761
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,520
to the parking lot of the houses. And

762
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,840
they lose four lots of MFDRs.

763
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,520
>> I think it's important to note that

764
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,880
space is 28 units

765
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,840
>> that's there right now.

766
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,200
>> Yeah. 2390 to 115 units is what's being

767
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,120
proposed here. If

768
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:25,919
>> it be an additional

769
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:31,279
>> this were to convert to sits because the mix got the mixed use got worked in

770
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,440
about halfway through the discussion. So

771
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,640
it was originally going to be

772
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,640
residential. So but if the residential

773
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,440
went whatever it would be 28 more units.

774
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:45,200
>> So that's that's a 20% I guess 23.

775
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600
>> Yeah. I was able to speak to Mayor

776
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Vanderwood of West Haven about mixed use

777
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,520
and how that's affected West Haven and

778
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,120
all because I know that they've approved

779
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,000
quite a few of them.

780
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,159
>> Yeah. and he was very

781
00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:00,960
negative about the idea as well. And his

782
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,919
main complaint was

783
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:06,000
I mean it's it's our it's our job to

784
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,679
look at best case scenario and probably

785
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:09,279
worst case scenario. We [clears throat]

786
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,039
don't know a lot about Teras. We assume

787
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:12,559
that they have our best interest in mind

788
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:14,480
along with their own as far as the

789
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,960
community goes. But he said that they've

790
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,480
had problems with developers that come

791
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,279
in with mixed use and they they push it

792
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,760
back and they end up making decisions or

793
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,960
they off that piece alone and it ends up

794
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,200
being forgotten and either turned into a

795
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,440
disaster or turned into a mess and it's

796
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,279
an afterthought of the the main portion

797
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,120
of development because it has the most

798
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,039
flexibility. So develop other developers

799
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,440
will be able to buy that piece. So he

800
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,919
was pretty negative on the idea. I

801
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:44,080
talked to someone on the city council in

802
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,320
Leighton City as well and they're pretty

803
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,080
promix use. Um

804
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,679
but that's a totally different situation

805
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:53,600
because Leighton is nowhere near what

806
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,440
wherever we'll be.

807
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,200
>> So, would you say you'd want to use a

808
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,960
straight commercial across or would you

809
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,240
want to see more of a patio home type

810
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,520
right there?

811
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,159
>> No, I I think you're pushing it. In my

812
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:07,520
opinion, you're pushing it if you

813
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,559
>> The number of units you're saying

814
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,399
>> the number of units [clears throat] is a

815
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:11,840
lot.

816
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,320
I mean, I I still have questions on the

817
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,480
115 because I'm not a fan of the

818
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,360
six

819
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,960
>> Yeah. I mean, you you drive through

820
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,640
Syracuse right now or even West Point,

821
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,840
the five foot backyard and the three

822
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,000
foot front yard, you know what I mean? I

823
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,120
just because there's not enough green

824
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,880
space. I know they're talking

825
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,480
about well we give you all this

826
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,320
commercial well kids can't play on

827
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,399
asphalt you know what I'm saying so

828
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:50,240
they can but that's probably not

829
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,799
conducive to

830
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,480
health

831
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,679
>> because wears

832
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:58,880
>> we just joined in to some health

833
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,669
initiative right

834
00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:04,559
» didn't we

835
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:05,200
>> sorry

836
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,039
>> healthy hooker healthy hooker or

837
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:08,399
something

838
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:10,559
>> we don't give enough green for the kids

839
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,600
to be able to get out of them

840
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,039
little houses and have a place to play.

841
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:19,039
>> So, what Malcolm, off the top of your

842
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:20,480
head, I'm sorry, I'm going to test you

843
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,159
here.

844
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:24,960
When this conversation first started,

845
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,720
that was third acres on the west side,

846
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,760
half acres on the north side. What's the

847
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,159
difference in count? Like, I'm asking

848
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:36,559
you I'm asking you to do fractions. So

849
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,559
if you look at that as third acres now

850
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,720
and that went back to half, how many

851
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,200
properties are you losing?

852
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,640
>> Two, maybe three.

853
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,519
>> Yeah.

854
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,919
>> The road has to come down. The depth of

855
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:49,679
the lots on the north would increase.

856
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,679
>> Would increase a little bit?

857
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:54,399
>> Go more depth than you do than with

858
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:54,799
Okay.

859
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,120
>> And then you I think the halves were

860
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,880
more like 100 foot fronts. So there

861
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,870
would probably be one or two.

862
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,679
So, in our current zoning, we already

863
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:09,919
have a code that will allow a up to a

864
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:12,640
fiveplex up to five. I've had a few

865
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,149
minutes, I think, in our PD

866
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:20,000
» because that the things that concern me

867
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,279
about this, we're creating and I

868
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:24,080
creating new zones.

869
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,760
>> We're creating zones and I get look,

870
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,360
this is something we've never looked at

871
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,360
We're changing the frontage because we

872
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,279
require 100 and they want to go to 85.

873
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,919
>> Well, and and we're looking at we're

874
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:36,159
looking at codes even existing codes

875
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:38,240
we've never used before.

876
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,919
>> So, they're going to be fallible or they

877
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:42,960
could be

878
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,039
that was I had a had a back and forth

879
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:46,799
with Jason about that conversation about

880
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,320
that too is

881
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,080
>> you know we've never used it so we don't

882
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,440
know how well it's going to work or not

883
00:33:51,440 --> 00:34:01,110
going to work either.

884
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:07,990
four units attached.

885
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,919
» I think I think we do I would prefer

886
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:16,310
four.

887
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960
I mean, you look at the you look at the

888
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,200
newest town homes over there by

889
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,440
Schneider's Bluff,

890
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,240
which I guess I'm

891
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,919
kind of one-sided because that's my

892
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:32,000
son-in-law's dad, but he wouldn't go

893
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,879
over four just based on

894
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:38,560
the

895
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,960
amount of green space he had to give to

896
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,839
West Point. And two, if you go to a I

897
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:47,440
don't know how West Point is, but if you

898
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,440
go to a sixplex

899
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,960
and let's say an investor wants to come

900
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,359
in and buy that sixplex,

901
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:55,440
he has to go through it as a business

902
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,920
loan, not as a mortgage loan. If you

903
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,079
stay at four,

904
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,430
then

905
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,359
» there are quite a few codes that end up

906
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:06,960
hurting

907
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,200
the investor on a sixlex, too, because I

908
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:09,520
know

909
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,000
>> Oh, yeah.

910
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,680
>> like Leighton and Cisville City both

911
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,760
have codes that if you have a sixlex

912
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,680
now, you have to a sprinkler system

913
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,520
because it's a multi-dwelling unit

914
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,920
that's larger than five whereas a four

915
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,200
you don't. I mean that's not really our

916
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,800
problem. We don't have to deal with

917
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,499
that. But there it does make it stickier

918
00:35:25,499 --> 00:35:26,800
[clears throat] building six plexes

919
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,160
versus fours

920
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,960
>> outside of a me I want to I wouldn't I'm

921
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,720
fine with a Smith. It's just the high

922
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,640
density

923
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,829
housing.

924
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:45,270
I just

925
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,760
I think we need more open space. We need

926
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,880
the obviously we talked last time about

927
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,640
walkways and different ways for those

928
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,119
people, let's say on the north and on

929
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,200
the west to be able to use the common

930
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,240
area, if you will. Does it run along the

931
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:08,079
property line or how does it tie?

932
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:09,760
>> I just think the more you pack in there,

933
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,880
you're not going to get

934
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,839
the families [clears throat]

935
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:19,280
or the kids moving to the green space to

936
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,040
I mean, look at that row of houses right

937
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,440
there

938
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,760
on the west of the green space right

939
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,119
now. That's just

940
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:28,880
>> those cluster homes.

941
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,720
>> Well, and the way the cluster homes

942
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,800
work, there's a lot of green around the

943
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,000
way they sit.

944
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,400
>> Yeah.

945
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,760
>> But

946
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,040
>> you know,

947
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,800
>> is it worth me explaining what's

948
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,839
different on this bill?

949
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:40,720
>> Well,

950
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,000
>> is it I don't want to take your time.

951
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,160
>> No, go ahead. Absolutely. Thank you.

952
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,880
>> So, the way this has been modified due

953
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,400
to the comments that we received last

954
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,200
time,

955
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,599
>> these homes would face up to the road

956
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,520
and they would have a common driveway in

957
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,000
the back and then these homes would face

958
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,040
onto the green space. And to do that,

959
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,760
there needs to be some separation like

960
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,640
get to the front door. So, this 20 foot

961
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,280
width was added in here so that there

962
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,680
could be like a common sidewalk and then

963
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,359
it's been extended all the way through.

964
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:13,599
So, these will front to the common

965
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,200
sidewalk. These would front to the

966
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,520
common sidewalk and the green space and

967
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,200
then the driveways were shifted to be

968
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,200
able to accommodate that. So, these

969
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,960
folks could go from the sidewalk and

970
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,400
walk to the green space. You have to

971
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,069
walk all the way around.

972
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,680
» So, there'd be sidewalks in between all

973
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,000
that.

974
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,160
>> There would be That was one of my other

975
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,160
questions too, looking at this, like so

976
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,320
if this gets built out in five years,

977
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,520
what prevents somebody that owns cottage

978
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,920
14 from just fencing off their property?

979
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,560
>> These what we didn't have time to make

980
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,920
changes that

981
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,200
>> these lots or the driveways are well

982
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,200
these open areas, they're also deed to

983
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,000
the HOA.

984
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,480
>> Okay.

985
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,480
>> But the common driveways are also deed

986
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,320
to the HOA. So they wouldn't even have

987
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,200
the property right

988
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,040
>> in the actual lot. Yeah. It comes out to

989
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,000
the front and it stops what they own

990
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,480
stops at the driveway so that this guy

991
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,480
can't come out and block off that piece

992
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,119
of property so he can't get to his home.

993
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:12,880
>> What does What does Weaver County Fire

994
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,119
think about a 20 foot access point to

995
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:16,720
that cottage at the end of that cutoff

996
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:17,440
road?

997
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,720
>> We because this is so premature. We're

998
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,800
not even to that level of detail.

999
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,560
>> It's less than 150 foot length. They

1000
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,000
don't care. But one thing I can

1001
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
guarantee you is if they say we don't

1002
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,119
allow that,

1003
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:30,079
>> we'll draw it in different.

1004
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,200
>> You don't even have to worry about what

1005
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,079
your code requires.

1006
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:33,359
>> Yeah, 100%.

1007
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:34,079
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1008
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:35,839
>> I just was trying to wrap up how the

1009
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:36,160
whole

1010
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,560
>> They're doing pretty hard stance to 26

1011
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,760
foot of drivable surface, but that's if

1012
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,400
the distance is more than 150 ft.

1013
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,800
>> Yeah, Weaver County, my my driveway was

1014
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,880
originally 20 ft wide, and they made me

1015
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,520
do 30 ft. That's what they required for

1016
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,720
me to get approval from the fire

1017
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,480
department because my driveway was 350

1018
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,200
ft long.

1019
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
>> I just my some of my bigger concerns

1020
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,880
like even if we stuck with our current

1021
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,440
PUB code, they want to reduce green

1022
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,520
space from 40% which I don't know if

1023
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,200
40%'s the right number either.

1024
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:05,839
>> Yeah.

1025
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:07,599
>> But I think that needs to be defined

1026
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:10,000
better what green space is. So green

1027
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,160
space to me is not a big lawn in the

1028
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,320
middle of a bunch of houses. Nobody's

1029
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,640
going to use it. It's, you know, we

1030
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,920
we've got one of those in my

1031
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,920
neighborhood and nobody uses it.

1032
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,440
>> In the drawing, they did have something

1033
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,839
that showed like two pavilions and a

1034
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,359
>> little playground or something.

1035
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:27,200
>> Mine's got that, too. And no, granted,

1036
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,359
it's smaller. That's almost an acre.

1037
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:30,000
>> Yeah.

1038
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,520
>> But that's also something that the

1039
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,359
city's going to have to maintain,

1040
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:35,440
>> right? Well, the city or the HOA

1041
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,240
maintain that?

1042
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,200
>> They're not. I don't think they're going

1043
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,680
to have it be there's going to be an

1044
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,440
HOA. Well, there would have to be

1045
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,200
because the [clears throat] alleyways

1046
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,480
would be

1047
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,040
>> says it

1048
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,560
>> everything would have to have an

1049
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,240
>> Yeah, I but I don't think I don't think

1050
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,760
they were planning if I remember

1051
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,440
correctly from Mr. Adams, they're not

1052
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,640
planning on mowing law.

1053
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,040
>> Yeah.

1054
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:55,680
they are.

1055
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,480
>> Are they?

1056
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:56,960
>> Yeah.

1057
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,960
>> Unless Unless the city says we'll take

1058
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,040
the green space and own it and maintain

1059
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:01,760
it.

1060
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,160
>> But that's that's already been made

1061
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,280
clear that

1062
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,560
>> Yeah, I thought that was already

1063
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,160
mentioned in in here. There's more

1064
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,400
mention of the HOA in here than If

1065
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,440
there's if there's some

1066
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,520
element that's a bigger than just this

1067
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,977
community, I think that's where the city

1068
00:40:16,977 --> 00:40:18,400
[clears throat] come in. But

1069
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,400
>> it would be either way. It's kind of up

1070
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,040
to what do you want? But because of the

1071
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,200
common drives, there would have to be an

1072
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,560
HOA.

1073
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,960
>> I think it's important. So with ours,

1074
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,560
we'd have to dive into it a little more,

1075
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,400
but we have 40% right. And it's open

1076
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,920
space and total acreage excluding

1077
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,720
roadways, buildings, and infrastructure.

1078
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,000
I'm not sure that excludes yards and I

1079
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,280
don't think you included that in your

1080
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,960
calculation. That being said,

1081
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,640
regardless, whatever you guys are

1082
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,160
comfortable with is what's important and

1083
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,480
the actual conceptual. And then we we

1084
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,119
really can use pegging it and the VA uh

1085
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,119
talks about like, hey, we're we're doing

1086
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:54,960
density and we have commercial. So, the

1087
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,079
open space will differ from later. I saw

1088
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,079
in your calculations you had a 10% open

1089
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,119
space. Um, whatever that figure is is

1090
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:04,560
that's the kind of stuff that'll be

1091
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,920
helpful to if that was a condition we

1092
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,240
want open space, you know, at least 10

1093
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,319
or whatever it is so that we can that

1094
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:12,240
can be enforceable moving forward.

1095
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,160
>> And so I just want to be clear on how

1096
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,359
open space is calculated. Do I take can

1097
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:20,880
I deduct the area of the roads out of

1098
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,560
the

1099
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,960
quotient that I'm math I'm doing there

1100
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,720
or because like

1101
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:27,839
>> the overall acres

1102
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:30,880
>> so there's 23.8 acres. Can I deduct the

1103
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,800
roads out and then calculate open space

1104
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,079
or do I have to keep the roads in?

1105
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,880
>> Excluding roadways, buildings and other

1106
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,560
infrastructure.

1107
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,119
So take the road the roads when it count

1108
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,319
as open space.

1109
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:46,319
>> Okay. So that 10% would actually be

1110
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:49,520
greater because right now that area

1111
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,280
that's being divided is just the total

1112
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,359
area of the residential divided into the

1113
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:58,560
areas that are shown as green. So what we proposed [clears throat]

1114
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,359
and I don't The idea was to try to do

1115
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:03,920
front yards and and really just trying

1116
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,560
to get creative. So these front areas,

1117
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,880
this detention basin for the commercial,

1118
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,960
we tried to look at areas along the

1119
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,400
roadways, this landscape up here. We we

1120
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,920
haven't talked about how wide it should

1121
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,319
be or how tall the fence should be, but

1122
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:19,680
we just tried to look at some of the

1123
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,280
other uh areas and try to identify

1124
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
>> the fence will be six foot, right? at

1125
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,839
least but there was a question about I

1126
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,000
don't know if six foot's tall enough and

1127
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,720
so that was really never resolved but we

1128
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,319
just tried to come up with where are

1129
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:37,280
some other open areas these are like 10

1130
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,880
foot setbacks in the front yard these

1131
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,880
are 20 those are some of the variances

1132
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,640
we're asking for or deviations but if it

1133
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,880
was we just like to follow our code then

1134
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,520
I think these would have like a 35 and

1135
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,599
that would be more green space if we're

1136
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:57,030
allowed to count the front yard as green

1137
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,419
I don't see where code is prohibiting

1138
00:42:59,419 --> 00:43:00,800
[clears throat] the front areas green

1139
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,480
space. It just prohibits county

1140
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,920
roadways, buildings or infrastructure.

1141
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,000
We could look at what it just says right

1142
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,599
here. Amenities which are available for

1143
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,319
common use such as community center may

1144
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:14,720
be included in Oh yeah, that's buildings

1145
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,589
including parks.

1146
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:20,800
» Where you at?

1147
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,720
>> I was just reading

1148
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,560
in 10 F2. Okay. But I think that just

1149
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,160
means more of like a building like that

1150
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,760
a building to be counted as open space

1151
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,720
if it was common use.

1152
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:33,760
>> So it didn't it didn't say anything

1153
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:34,319
about

1154
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:35,920
>> and I know that's a pretty popular idea

1155
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,839
too center.

1156
00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:41,910
>> Yeah.

1157
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,240
Tell people about the area.

1158
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,920
That's the hard part on this. I don't

1159
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,200
think this lot's big enough for

1160
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,319
something like that. Well, it's an acre,

1161
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:54,480
but with that and parking, that's all

1162
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,920
that would be on there.

1163
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,160
>> Yeah.

1164
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,280
>> Um,

1165
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,400
>> so take out more houses

1166
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,265
>> or clusters,

1167
00:44:04,265 --> 00:44:04,720
[clears throat]

1168
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,119
>> you know. I know. So, you know,

1169
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,000
listening to feedback from people, I I

1170
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,319
know nobody likes the looks of high

1171
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:14,160
density housing, right? They also don't

1172
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,560
want a bunch of rentals. So, that would

1173
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,359
be something want to talk about.

1174
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:20,000
more like

1175
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,440
>> it's mentioned in the NBA.

1176
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:21,760
>> Yeah.

1177
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,520
>> Both

1178
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,240
very strong.

1179
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:24,960
>> Agreed.

1180
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,599
>> But you know, one thing I think about

1181
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:29,760
this too is where this development's

1182
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,119
going, most people aren't going to see

1183
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:37,839
90% of it. It's very behind the Smith.

1184
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:40,880
Um, but I the way it's clustered, I

1185
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,520
mean, I know in council meetings and in

1186
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,440
some of our meetings, we talk about like

1187
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,400
that JDH ranch and some of the others,

1188
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,160
but they're not clustered up like this

1189
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,319
where all your town homes are together.

1190
00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:54,640
They're they're mixed. So, you'll have a

1191
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,280
cluster home, a single family dwelling,

1192
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,480
couple of town homes. So, the way all

1193
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,640
that's clustered together kind of

1194
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,710
concerns me, too.

1195
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,160
» And that's something that the planning

1196
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,680
commission could recommend. Previous

1197
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,880
discussions, it's that said there's not

1198
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,480
enough patio homes,

1199
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:14,800
>> right?

1200
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,160
>> We just haven't got a a clear direction

1201
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,880
or a vote that that has said we think it

1202
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,880
should be this and and so we're if

1203
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,760
you're open to spreading it out, I think

1204
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,359
that could be accomplished. It's just

1205
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:34,800
this is just an idea. I I do love the

1206
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,760
buffer idea where they have the

1207
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,160
>> existing neighborhoods with a buffer of

1208
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,160
a larger family single family homes

1209
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,079
buffering and then it in the middle. But

1210
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,319
I don't mind the

1211
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:49,200
>> a potential higher density in the middle

1212
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,200
more integrated together.

1213
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,560
>> Well, and then when you're talking about

1214
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,480
the neighboring neighborhoods,

1215
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,720
>> that that's also a concern, too. I I I

1216
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,640
like the buffer like you do, but the

1217
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,920
folks that live in that neighborhood on

1218
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,000
the outside of that road

1219
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
>> were increasing

1220
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,880
traffic

1221
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,760
>> big time

1222
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,520
>> because that that takes you straight out

1223
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,200
to 51.

1224
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,640
>> Well, the half of that road's going to

1225
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,760
half of that neighborhood's going to be

1226
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,160
killing.

1227
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,680
>> Yeah, true. Sure.

1228
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,520
>> Which might actually make it worse.

1229
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,119
>> Revisiting the revisiting the mix space

1230
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,440
or the mixed use, excuse me,

1231
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,880
>> when you make a motion or whatever you

1232
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,800
decide, will you address the buffer

1233
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,280
because that mixed use extended

1234
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,280
>> to the residential the buffer was being

1235
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,319
absorbed. You might want to just

1236
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:33,920
if the buffer stage or not the

1237
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,680
residential buffer even if this went

1238
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,920
commercial right see commercial be this

1239
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,599
is commercial

1240
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:46,640
>> or just this part and this stays home by

1241
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,560
>> yeah if the mix we want to make it one

1242
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,160
way or the other

1243
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,160
>> you want if you make the mix commercial

1244
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,000
like you were talking about does the

1245
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,200
commercial go all the way to the

1246
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,800
subdivision boundary line end up in

1247
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,400
these homes or we maintain a residential

1248
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,839
buffer for them and just keep the

1249
00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:06,870
commercial in here where that develop.

1250
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,880
» You guys look at it for us.

1251
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,190
>> Could you zoom to the south of us?

1252
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,079
» Yeah.

1253
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:17,680
>> So, there are already a couple of homes

1254
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,200
that don't have a buffer there towards

1255
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,960
the end of 5500,000.

1256
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,920
>> Yeah, because there'll be like a

1257
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,800
retention pond that

1258
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,640
>> Yeah, that home will eventually be a

1259
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,119
potential fast food hardware store

1260
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:34,160
retention pond. sold out

1261
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040
>> if it'll load. But anyway,

1262
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,800
>> so they're probably the first three or

1263
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,480
four houses there already don't have a

1264
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,160
buffer. So we're talking about the other

1265
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,319
three or four on that street. Do we want

1266
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:47,440
a buffer or do we not want a buffer?

1267
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,040
>> What's the density? So you guys are

1268
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,760
proposing four and a half units to

1269
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,400
anchor, right?

1270
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,000
>> 4.5.

1271
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,280
>> What's the I can't find for some reason

1272
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,040
the PUD. That's the

1273
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,240
>> max six

1274
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,839
>> units per

1275
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:02,640
>> with our current

1276
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:03,839
>> with the current beauty

1277
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:07,119
>> and the 4.56 is only based on the 115

1278
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:07,920
units.

1279
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,720
>> So if the flex were to go residential

1280
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:11,599
then it would

1281
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:12,720
>> go up. Yeah,

1282
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,133
>> but it's less than the six. What our

1283
00:48:15,133 --> 00:48:15,839
[snorts]

1284
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:16,240
says

1285
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,240
>> I'll confirm. I'm pretty sure six is the

1286
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,000
maximum density we [clears throat] will

1287
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,599
ever we would permit the patios on. in

1288
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,950
both six

1289
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,280
» and our when we originally approached

1290
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,760
this it was to lay something out

1291
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,040
feasible and trying to get to six. We

1292
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,760
just don't see that

1293
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:38,880
>> especially when we're asking for open

1294
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,440
space.

1295
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,839
>> Yeah. I mean we're Yeah. In that case

1296
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:43,760
we'd be

1297
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160
>> shall not exceed six.

1298
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,720
>> That's that's a P and patio. You said

1299
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,829
>> P.

1300
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:54,079
We do need to recalculate the open space

1301
00:48:54,079 --> 00:49:05,270
because I had the roads involved.

1302
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,440
» So as we're done talking about sub I

1303
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,640
think the three options tonight for

1304
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,880
y'all is to obviously vote to deny to

1305
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,440
recommend denial recommend straight

1306
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,640
approval or recommend approval with some

1307
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,400
conditions that

1308
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,200
And I think in in Malcolm and I's

1309
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,720
conversation with the developer, they're

1310
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,800
open to that kind of direction

1311
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,480
>> and if you want to impose some

1312
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,400
conditions and give some the council

1313
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,044
some, you know, we're not for

1314
00:49:35,044 --> 00:49:36,400
[clears throat] the use or something

1315
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,800
like along that or we'd like the town

1316
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,200
homes to be four units. I think that's

1317
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,440
something that developers

1318
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,920
>> very open to. I don't I'm not going to

1319
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,359
commit him to anything obviously, but um

1320
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:52,240
if that I don't think that's a reason to

1321
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,839
not take action on it.

1322
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:54,319
>> Okay.

1323
00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:56,079
>> And my understanding is [clears throat]

1324
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:57,839
you like some action taken.

1325
00:49:57,839 --> 00:49:58,160
>> Yes.

1326
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,160
>> Either approval, denial, or approval

1327
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,040
not.

1328
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,520
>> Yeah. Preferred not table.

1329
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,000
>> Not

1330
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,839
>> one one other just to throw out a couple

1331
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:07,200
of more things.

1332
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,960
>> The code requires an an entry sign to

1333
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,640
the development

1334
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,400
>> rather

1335
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,040
for the resident some type of or

1336
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,839
something. Okay.

1337
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:20,880
>> Our our interest would be to ask for

1338
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,000
that to be one of the deviations and

1339
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,119
then whatever that entry feature might

1340
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:29,520
cost. Let's say it's I don't know $5,000

1341
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,680
to put a block something that says

1342
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,720
Hooker Cross. If that could go towards

1343
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,480
the open space amenities, that kind of

1344
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,720
thing, that would be our interest. So in

1345
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:42,160
lie of an open or a residential entrance

1346
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,480
feature to take the cost of the

1347
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,520
residential in entrance feature and

1348
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,240
apply it to the open space amenities.

1349
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,760
That's that's just it's a greater it's a

1350
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,280
greater

1351
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,280
>> yeah than just having a

1352
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,040
>> there you probably also have a sign plan

1353
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,960
hopefully pretty sign there'll be a lot

1354
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,559
there's signs for the commercial that

1355
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,960
will identify the development but if you

1356
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,520
want a residential one we discuss it

1357
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,640
there will be signs for absolutely

1358
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,359
>> big fancy ones uh which real quick go

1359
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:13,839
ahead

1360
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:16,000
>> I was going to say you asked about if we

1361
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,760
got rid of the flex basement commercial

1362
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,119
I think my thought would be commercial

1363
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,319
all the way but I would say maybe do

1364
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:22,400
some type of separation in the trail,

1365
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,359
whatever. Something that looks nice that

1366
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:27,200
separates the homes from the commercial.

1367
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,359
That's what I would recommend.

1368
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:31,200
>> Okay. Something along the fence lines.

1369
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:31,520
>> Yeah.

1370
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,440
>> So, when after we listen to everybody

1371
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,440
too, we can we can talk about that what

1372
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,200
we want to put in a motion for that.

1373
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:37,920
>> Yeah.

1374
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,440
>> Just a few things as you guys consider

1375
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,800
most some of these. And I appreciate the

1376
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,040
position that the developers in. We are

1377
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,400
doing it. You know, we're trying to get

1378
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,880
as much as we can to approve it, but at

1379
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,440
the same time realizing that we zoning

1380
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,119
yet approved the zoning. So, it's a

1381
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:53,040
little bit cart before the horse, but

1382
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,720
we're working it out. Just a couple

1383
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,440
thoughts on the drivethroughs. It's

1384
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,720
probably not a big deal. I'll work with

1385
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:00,480
the developer, but we do I want to call

1386
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,480
out stacking requirements. That's

1387
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,680
something I want to see with that. I

1388
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,040
think one condition that would be

1389
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,480
important. I haven't seen a circulation

1390
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,000
study. So, that's something we could

1391
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,839
reasonably do. I want to see how this

1392
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:11,359
operates with the trailer through it,

1393
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:14,000
right? I want to see him model or, you

1394
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,440
know, model it so that our engineer has

1395
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,040
a time to review it. This would be all

1396
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,640
stuff in the developer agreement.

1397
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,240
>> These will be supporting documents the

1398
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,359
developer agreement. But there are

1399
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:22,240
things that maybe you could

1400
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,000
conditionally say, you know, we're okay

1401
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,119
with the developer agreement, but we

1402
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:26,640
want a circulation study or attorney

1403
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,800
template either way circulation or

1404
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,640
turning template so that I can so that I

1405
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,240
can have our engineer look at the

1406
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:33,920
traffic flow, how the deliveries are

1407
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:34,800
going to take place, how they're going

1408
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,040
to leave. And then uh the sign plan, if

1409
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,800
you guys had any comments on that, I

1410
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,079
think that [clears throat] main one out

1411
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,480
front was tall in my opinion. Um, I

1412
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,839
think the one on the side might be a

1413
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:47,760
little tall. Might want to look at that.

1414
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,240
Um, I think our code is very our code's

1415
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:51,839
super complicated and honestly I don't

1416
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:53,599
think was anticipating any type of

1417
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:56,160
development like this initially. I

1418
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,920
shouldn't use that. I don't know. Our

1419
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,920
code's old so it's not great to be

1420
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,839
honest, but I think it's 25 foot in our

1421
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:04,319
code is the max height. Um, I don't I'm

1422
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,400
not saying that has to be, but um, that

1423
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,839
being said, I think we'll look at the

1424
00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:10,240
signs a little maybe is some of our

1425
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,480
discussion. And then we're looking at

1426
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,040
relocating the station

1427
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,880
per working with them with our sewer

1428
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,400
manager and our public works. Maybe that

1429
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,760
could be a part of it. We want the lift

1430
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,680
station closer to the road, not

1431
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,920
centralized. It's not a big deal, but

1432
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,000
something that could be addition then

1433
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,200
was really Oh, one more thing. Outdoor

1434
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,599
display plant.

1435
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:33,200
I'd like to see the outdoor display

1436
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,960
plant. And then we've been told there

1437
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,680
will be garages on all the units. I'd

1438
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,280
like that. I didn't quite find that in

1439
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,400
the VA, but I want to make sure we have

1440
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,119
garages on the units. So, There will be

1441
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:44,559
a garage on every unity in the town

1442
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:45,920
houses.

1443
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,400
>> Yes.

1444
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,000
>> Which because that's one of my major

1445
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,119
concerns is parking.

1446
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,440
>> Yeah. Me too. Make sure garages and then

1447
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,720
not shared there. But yeah, so if you

1448
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,079
could clarify, those are some thoughts

1449
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,640
I've had. But and I this is pretty fluid

1450
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,480
and I I don't think that being said, you

1451
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,240
guys give us recommendations. I I'll

1452
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:01,760
make sure those things are anything you

1453
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,040
feel strongly about, we'll make sure it

1454
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,640
gets worked on before it goes to city

1455
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,720
council. But wherever you guys are at,

1456
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,480
just let me know if there you guys want

1457
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,920
us to work on specifically. It'll be

1458
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,119
really helpful to hear you guys'

1459
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:12,559
perspective on it. So, talking about

1460
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:14,640
those heights, right now our code says

1461
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,480
25. If I remember right, the tall sign

1462
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,280
was 30.

1463
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,319
>> Tall says 50.

1464
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:20,000
>> 50.

1465
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,839
>> And

1466
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:24,079
maybe he's best to answer the question.

1467
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,640
I know that this layout of the potential

1468
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,160
anchor is a shorter than standard Smiths

1469
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,920
would be because of the different

1470
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,440
design. What's the normal height of a

1471
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,440
Smith versus the lowered? Because this

1472
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,520
one is

1473
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,839
>> or are they similar? You have the

1474
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:42,720
building elevation. The the little popup

1475
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,240
pieces are the part that I'm not sure

1476
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:46,000
how tall they are. The main building is

1477
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,280
26 feet.

1478
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,559
>> Yeah,

1479
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:52,079
>> cuz I know this like barn style like you

1480
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,800
did in Grantsville.

1481
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,920
>> Uh, Eagle Mountain.

1482
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:56,720
>> Eagle Mountain.

1483
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:57,520
>> Yeah, there's one in

1484
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,359
>> they're a little shorter than the other

1485
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:01,200
standard ones if I remember right.

1486
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,000
>> The main the little flat parts, that's

1487
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,559
26. The little bump up the popup parts,

1488
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:08,960
that's the part I just don't have time.

1489
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:15,190
But it's it's in the I don't have

1490
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,119
Can I ask you ask a question? like with

1491
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:19,040
the development

1492
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,200
the zoning request I I think we're

1493
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,839
prepared to talk about I think what

1494
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:26,640
zones we're interested in that developer

1495
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,880
I'm I'm still pleased that's a big

1496
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,680
document and like I'm smart enough to

1497
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,400
know I'm not smart and there's a lot of

1498
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,200
stuff in there that all want more

1499
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,119
>> in all fairness I agree and I think you

1500
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:42,720
would even agree there's been some disontity throughout

1501
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,680
it that needs to be ironed out so are we

1502
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,079
are be okay to table that piece with

1503
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,520
recommendations like we want like some of the stuff he's talked about with

1504
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,680
sites and

1505
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,079
uh turning models and things like that

1506
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:59,440
like I don't want to deny it with the DA

1507
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,839
>> it also goes back to the zoning like if

1508
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,319
we do want to go with the zoning that

1509
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:06,079
they're talking about we want to be more

1510
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,520
specific as far as open or open space or

1511
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,960
>> or things like that there's a lot of

1512
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,960
stuff in here that really goes back to

1513
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,559
the reszone too

1514
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:16,559
>> that I guess backs up the reason

1515
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,359
>> we we've come in these discussions quite

1516
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,040
a long ways and we've really tried to

1517
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,200
get as close to your current code as we

1518
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:23,680
can.

1519
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:24,319
>> Yeah.

1520
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:27,200
>> Like not having an entrance sign the

1521
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,040
sixplex versus a forplex. But if you

1522
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,720
want a forplex then say we think it

1523
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:32,319
should be a forplex.

1524
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:35,359
>> Uh if 40% open space is a little bit

1525
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:38,720
reaching at least 15% at least 20%

1526
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,160
whatever that number is make that

1527
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,760
recommendation.

1528
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,599
Um,

1529
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,040
those are kind of the things that we're

1530
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,880
looking for. If there's anything in

1531
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,599
there that's really problematic for you,

1532
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,680
maybe just make a recommendation that it

1533
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,599
should at least be this. One thing I

1534
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:57,920
would throw out is R3, the 13,000 foot

1535
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,440
lot is what we've asked for with a

1536
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,760
deviation from the 100 foot front to an

1537
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,680
85. It might be better to say we

1538
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,240
recommend the zoning BR4. Now, that's a

1539
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:11,839
10,000 square foot lot. The But what it

1540
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:14,799
is is it already has an 85 foot front.

1541
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:18,079
So the way it lays out, they would

1542
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,160
probably be more than 85 foot fronts or

1543
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,400
a little bit more than 85. But if if

1544
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,119
that's an exchange to get something

1545
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,599
that's a little closer to the code, then

1546
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,760
maybe it's better to say the minimum

1547
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,079
would be an R4. But that doesn't mean we

1548
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:33,760
couldn't do a larger lot. It just means

1549
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,119
we wouldn't be able for the single

1550
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,920
family on the outside to be smaller. So

1551
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,760
those are just some things that maybe

1552
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,160
it's just a

1553
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,880
Let's go R4. The problem with making an

1554
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,440
R4 specifically is R R4 has a lower

1555
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,359
value. So, one of the concerns that we

1556
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:56,640
it was discussed is well, if the zoning

1557
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,520
were R4, then you could potentially pick

1558
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,839
up 3,000 square feet for a lot, which

1559
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,520
would yield about an acre and a half,

1560
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,119
and would you consider putting that into

1561
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,480
open space? Well, the problem is that

1562
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,920
has a lower which then makes that value

1563
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,480
of that land a lot higher. It might be

1564
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,160
better now that we've just clarified

1565
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,559
that we can count the yard space as open

1566
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:21,359
space to leave the lots a little bigger,

1567
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,119
have more space between the homes,

1568
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:24,880
giving a more open feel. So, there's

1569
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,680
kind of just a tradeoff. Maybe maybe

1570
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,680
it's keeping the 100 foot front, not the

1571
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,160
85, you know, that kind of stuff because

1572
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,520
then there's just more distance between

1573
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,599
the homes.

1574
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,200
Anyway, just to give you that

1575
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,040
flexibility,

1576
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,440
>> I think the commission wants to keep the

1577
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,960
res and the development agreement

1578
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,200
together. So, you could have a motion to

1579
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,319
approve the resone, deny the deny the

1580
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:49,839
development agreement, or

1581
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:51,200
>> table the agreement.

1582
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,720
>> I don't think I don't think you want to

1583
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,400
table it. We want to make a

1584
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,599
recommendation because we want to keep

1585
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,440
those two things together,

1586
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,000
>> which is fair. But here, I'll tell you

1587
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,440
like my hesitation. So when you go

1588
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,799
through that, there's a lot of things in

1589
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:06,799
there about phasing reviews and the

1590
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:10,470
things that I don't

1591
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,240
we need more information on what all

1592
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,000
that means, what great recommendations

1593
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,079
are. You know, there's a lot of stuff in

1594
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,559
there about the financing piece, which I

1595
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:20,480
if I understand the latest one, that

1596
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,400
would be a separate

1597
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,559
>> conversation later. So we're not even

1598
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:27,119
going to discuss that.

1599
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,119
>> But that's that's my kind of hesitation

1600
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,119
with the DA. There's a lot of stuff in

1601
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:33,040
there that if we have proven even if we

1602
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,400
add a bunch of conditions in there,

1603
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,880
there's a lot of stuff in there that

1604
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,480
>> Well, this is what our third time seeing

1605
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:39,119
this

1606
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:41,119
>> early second because last time we didn't

1607
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:42,160
really

1608
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,760
>> talk about it. I just feel like that's a

1609
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:44,480
lot to do.

1610
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,680
>> Seen it for quite a while.

1611
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,359
>> Well, that's true. But it's changed a

1612
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:48,400
lot, right?

1613
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,480
>> I guess that's my thing is it's it's a

1614
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:50,960
lot to do.

1615
00:59:50,960 --> 01:00:08,390
>> So, I guess we'll continue.

1616
01:00:08,400 --> 01:01:11,589
I need to talk.

1617
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:41,990
Sorry.

1618
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,630
recording in progress.

1619
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,839
» All right. Good evening. We'd like to

1620
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:49,920
welcome everybody out to our planning

1621
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,559
commission meeting for August 27th,

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01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,280
2026. Uh we'd like to excuse

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01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,839
Commissioner McCormick and uh

1624
01:01:57,839 --> 01:01:59,440
Commissioner Whiten who had other

1625
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,040
engagements and were not able to make

1626
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,119
the meeting tonight. So, and welcome

1627
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,680
Commissioner Denny up to the big stage.

1628
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:12,069
So, um all right, to begin um

1629
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:13,440
We'd like to go through our opening

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,000
ceremony. So, our pledge will be led by

1631
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:21,589
Commissioner again. Um,

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01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,079
» turn it off. Turn back on.

1633
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:25,680
Commissioner Seing will lead us through

1634
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,839
our pledge and uh Commissioner Denning

1635
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:37,750
will lead us through our

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01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,680
flag of the United States of America and

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01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,960
to the republic for which it stands. One

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01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,880
nation under God, indivisible with

1639
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:57,430
liberty and justice for all.

1640
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,440
Dear heavenly father, we are so grateful

1641
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,280
for this day that we have to be together

1642
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,079
today as a city and as a community to

1643
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:06,799
discuss the the future and of Hooper and

1644
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:08,720
what it looks like for us here. We're so

1645
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,839
grateful for the opportunity that we

1646
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:11,119
have and for the people that attend

1647
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:12,799
these meetings to be able to contribute

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01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:15,440
to uh the the city and the world around

1649
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,440
them. We're grateful for the opportunity

1650
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,160
that we have to

1651
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,839
discuss these topics tonight. We ask you

1652
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:23,520
to to bless us, to lead us, and guide us

1653
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,960
to make decisions that will be

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01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,520
beneficial. We say in name Jesus Christ.

1655
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,760
Amen.

1656
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,760
>> Thank you, gentlemen. All right, moving

1657
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,160
on to our uh there are no consent items

1658
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,160
this evening, so we will move into the

1659
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,400
action items. First action item is a

1660
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,039
resone request for Mr. Bridger Smith

1661
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:45,440
located at 5271 West, 4600 South. Uh the

1662
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,359
reason is to create a halfacre lot with

1663
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:51,750
a previous existing home on it.

1664
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,680
staff, you want to take us through?

1665
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,359
>> Yeah, we just, as you've stated,

1666
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:57,200
received requests. Um, this is the

1667
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,839
existing home here right on 4600 South.

1668
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:01,440
Um,

1669
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,640
the current land use is R1. The future

1670
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,359
land use map is R75.

1671
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,039
This just references our code that the

1672
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:10,640
resone process allows for the planning

1673
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,160
construction to amend the future land

1674
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,000
use portion of the general plan as part

1675
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,119
of the resone process. Um, after a

1676
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:19,760
reason, this property will subdivided.

1677
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,200
Just wanted to make that clear. It's a

1678
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,200
little we have an existing home that

1679
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,119
hasn't processed off this subdivide it.

1680
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:28,240
But prior to that, we wanted to make

1681
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,760
sure we had the proper zoning. So any

1682
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,230
questions?

1683
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:43,990
Perfect. Is the applicant here?

1684
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,000
Okay.

1685
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,160
Any questions for the applicant that's

1686
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,520
not here? Let's go into a discussion.

1687
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,829
Any discussion about it?

1688
01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:56,240
» I think like we talked in the work

1689
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,319
meeting

1690
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:01,440
where the future land use is R75. I'd be

1691
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,760
more comfortable approving this if he go

1692
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:09,750
3/4 acre instead of half acre.

1693
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,559
» Perfect. Okay. Um, at this time you're

1694
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,160
going to enter a public hearing or I'll

1695
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,440
entertain a motion to enter a public

1696
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,440
hearing to receive public input on the

1697
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,200
request.

1698
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,160
>> That motion public hearing second.

1699
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,599
>> All right. Motion was made by

1700
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:25,760
Commissioner Wait and seconded by

1701
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,400
Commissioner Sy. If there's anybody from

1702
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,839
the public that would like to speak on

1703
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:31,920
this topic, uh, please come up front.

1704
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,480
You have three minutes. Uh, Morgan will

1705
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,319
be our timekeeper. Please state your

1706
01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:37,760
name and if you're a resident of Per

1707
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,839
City, please. Real quick, sorry. Do we

1708
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:41,599
need a vote on that to go into public

1709
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:44,789
hearing?

1710
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:45,920
» Okay.

1711
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,670
>> Hey, you're doing great.

1712
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,359
» We're going to have to do this again.

1713
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:54,079
>> Uh, all in favor?

1714
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:54,720
>> I.

1715
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,960
>> Any opposed? Thank you.

1716
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,240
>> Okay. Thanks for your patience.

1717
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:58,799
>> Sure.

1718
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:01,520
>> Um, Amy Kristofferson. I'm live in

1719
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,559
Hooper on 5900 South. Um, I did send an

1720
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,079
email to y'all today. Sorry you heard

1721
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:08,400
from me so much, but um just wanted to

1722
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,640
formally log my strong opposition to the

1723
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,119
proposed reszone request for the

1724
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,400
property located at 5271 West 4600

1725
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,720
South, which seeks to create a halfacre

1726
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,559
lot to separate an existing home from

1727
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:22,960
the surrounding agricultural land. This

1728
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,039
application contains a fundamental flaw

1729
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:26,559
regarding legal ownership and

1730
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:28,880
transparency, and it represents a

1731
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,280
dangerous precedent for the future of

1732
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,200
Hooper's general plan. I urge the

1733
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,880
planning commission and the city council

1734
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,119
to deny the request based on the

1735
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:39,680
following critical points. Uh failure to

1736
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,520
meet valid application and ownership

1737
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,000
requirements. Um Hooper city code

1738
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,240
requires that a reszone application be

1739
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,640
submitted by the legal property owner or

1740
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,640
an officially authorized representative

1741
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,880
of the owner. Public records indicate

1742
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,880
that the applicant Bridger Smith is not

1743
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,039
the legal owner of this property.

1744
01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:59,599
Instead, the property is owned by Utah

1745
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,079
State House represent uh speaker Mike

1746
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:04,480
Schultz. Because this true owner did not

1747
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,400
submit this application, there is no

1748
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,559
transparent documentation

1749
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:10,160
establishing Bridgetger Smith as a

1750
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,079
legally authorized agent. The

1751
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:13,680
application fails to meet basic

1752
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,359
procedure requirements and should be

1753
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:18,319
rejected immediately. Um number two, a

1754
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:20,160
lack of political transparency and

1755
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,319
public accountability. The choice to

1756
01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:23,920
hide the true ownership of this land

1757
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,400
behind another individual's name appears

1758
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:27,920
to be a deliberate attempt to

1759
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,760
representative by representative Schulz

1760
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,039
to avoid public scrutiny. This evasion

1761
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:34,720
is especially concerning given the

1762
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,400
current negative community attention

1763
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,559
surrounding state senate president

1764
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:40,799
Steuart Adams and his own controversial

1765
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:43,039
attempts to alter the city's general

1766
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:45,520
plan. High ranking state politicians

1767
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,440
should not be permitted to use frontmen

1768
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,079
to bypass the public transparency that

1769
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:52,079
everyday hooker citizens are subjected

1770
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:54,960
to. The city must not show undue

1771
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,359
difference to career politicians using

1772
01:07:57,359 --> 01:07:58,880
their influence for personal or

1773
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,039
financial benefit.

1774
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,119
Um incremental development schemes and

1775
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:05,760
protection of 1acre zoning. While this

1776
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,680
application claims only to separate a

1777
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,359
pre-existing home from agricultural

1778
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:11,520
land, the broader implications are

1779
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,640
clear. Carving out a halfacre lot sets a

1780
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,799
zoning precedent on this parcel. If

1781
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:18,719
approved, it creates a justification to

1782
01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:21,199
bypass Booker's traditional 1acre

1783
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:23,520
minimums when Representative Schultz

1784
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,440
inevitably moves to develop the

1785
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:27,520
remaining 13.45

1786
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,000
acres of agricultural land. Granting

1787
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,600
this reszone is the first step in a

1788
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,600
peacem erosion of our community's rural

1789
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,960
character.

1790
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,839
city must uphold its ordinances equally

1791
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:39,679
regardless of an applicant's political

1792
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:41,839
stature or state level power. Because

1793
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:43,600
this application violates filing

1794
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,319
requirements, lacks proper transparency,

1795
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:47,839
and threatens the integrity of our

1796
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:50,080
agricultural zoning, I respectfully

1797
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,839
request the planning commission and city

1798
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:56,159
council deny this reason. Thank you.

1799
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:58,560
>> Thank you.

1800
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:03,590
Anyone else?

1801
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,520
Okay, this time I'll entertain a motion

1802
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:10,799
to close the public hearing. So motion

1803
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:12,000
>> second.

1804
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,839
>> Motion was made by Commissioner Denny,

1805
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:16,719
seconded by Commissioner Wait. We can

1806
01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:18,799
open this back up for conversation.

1807
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:21,920
>> I I

1808
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:27,590
thank you.

1809
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,440
to talk about what we talked in the work

1810
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:32,000
meeting as far as

1811
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,239
the ownership. We had questions on the

1812
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,319
ownership portion as well. I mean, we

1813
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,839
know it's Mike's son-in-law,

1814
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:43,920
but he should be the one requesting it

1815
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,600
and then his son-in-law can come in and

1816
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,520
present it. We've allowed that before.

1817
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,759
You know what I mean?

1818
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:55,280
But it wasn't I guess it wasn't brought

1819
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,600
forth as hey Mike Schultz wants to

1820
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,159
subdivide or not subdivide but wants to

1821
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:05,520
reszone this and his son-in-laws acting

1822
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,910
in his behalf.

1823
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,679
» Yeah, we confirmed with you that we

1824
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:13,120
could if we were to make a motion to

1825
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,679
approve we could make it a condition

1826
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:19,440
that they would essentially reapply with

1827
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:21,679
either M

1828
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:23,199
or the

1829
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:26,960
>> authorizing Mr. Smith to have to apply

1830
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,480
for his behalf.

1831
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:32,880
>> The other thing we talked about is like

1832
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,800
Malcolm mentioned the future lines map

1833
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,719
for this area is 75 and so when our work

1834
01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:44,159
we kind of discussed that maybe that's the better option. Um so I think

1835
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:46,800
we got to also make a

1836
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,199
motion to approve also a condition that

1837
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:52,080
it would go to 75 in place of that or

1838
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,080
would they need to agree?

1839
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,320
>> Uh yeah probably the preferred way is if

1840
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,360
you wanted to go 75 is to table it

1841
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,199
tonight and um Mr. Jenkins could reach

1842
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:05,520
out to the applicant and have the

1843
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,920
applicant either resubmit an application

1844
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,480
or modified application with those two

1845
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,920
things or appear next time and speak to

1846
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,840
what he wants to do with it. Okay. If we

1847
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,600
were to say, would we have another

1848
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,840
public hearing or this this is

1849
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,840
sufficient?

1850
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,000
>> The two items to be clear are

1851
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,239
acknowledgement from the land owner. We

1852
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:28,000
have on the other ones for the

1853
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,120
authorization, you know, represent. And

1854
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,440
then um the final piece you mentioned

1855
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:35,120
was just acknowledgement that he would

1856
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,760
be open or verbally come and talk about

1857
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,920
any variation in the the zoning 3/4.

1858
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,320
>> Yeah, I think he could I think if he

1859
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,120
could submit that he was open half acre

1860
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,360
off for a 3/4 acre lot. Um you could do

1861
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,840
that through writing to you. You should

1862
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,640
probably have the landowner uh

1863
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,719
authorization speak first and then that

1864
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:04,870
item or speak to itself.

1865
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,719
» Yeah, I kind of all on the same page

1866
01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:08,719
with everything. We need to have the

1867
01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:10,800
ownership established or the right to to

1868
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:15,120
represent or needs to be closer to 3/4.

1869
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,920
Okay. Anybody want to make a motion?

1870
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,760
I'll make a motion to table it with

1871
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,080
those two items. The one the ownership

1872
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,120
and then I think we tell that we're

1873
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,800
going 4.75 instead of going half acre.

1874
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,560
>> Second. Second.

1875
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,600
>> Motion is made to table with conditions

1876
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,159
uh by Commissioner Wait, seconded by

1877
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:38,320
Commissioner Denny. All in favor?

1878
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,920
>> I

1879
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,239
Any opposed?

1880
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:45,520
Thank you. All right, moving.

1881
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,880
I forgot one thing if we can go back. I

1882
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,640
want to make sure also that it's just

1883
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,080
the house area. It's not the area for

1884
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,640
the whole 13.95, right? It's just where

1885
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,840
the house is. So they need to clarify in

1886
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,760
a better legal description of where the

1887
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,239
reason actually is. So do I make another

1888
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,960
motion or can we include that?

1889
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,040
>> Yeah, I think I think you would make a

1890
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,120
motion to reconsider the prior motion.

1891
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:12,159
>> Okay.

1892
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:13,920
>> With with that addition.

1893
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,440
>> I'll make a motion to reconsider the

1894
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:17,920
prior motion with that condition

1895
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,040
including the the more a better legal

1896
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,800
description for just the area, not the

1897
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,480
whole 13.95.

1898
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:25,280
>> Second.

1899
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,400
>> I'll second.

1900
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,560
>> All right.

1901
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,000
Motion to reconsider was made by

1902
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,239
Commissioner Wait, seconded by

1903
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,159
Commissioner

1904
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:37,440
Se. All in favor?

1905
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:42,149
>> Sorry, forgot about that one.

1906
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:45,280
» No, I'm good now.

1907
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,800
>> Perfect. Okay, let's move on to uh item

1908
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,400
B and we'll get the order correct on

1909
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,320
this one. So, this is a reszone request

1910
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,000
for Tanaguch located at 3051 South, 5100

1911
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,800
West. on request is to go from an R1 to

1912
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,920
an R2 uh at the stated parcels. Um

1913
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,719
is a representative from

1914
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:08,159
for this here?

1915
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:09,679
>> Yeah.

1916
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:10,800
>> Would you like to come up and speak?

1917
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:11,840
Could please state your name and if

1918
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,520
you're a resident of H upper

1919
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,120
>> Touch

1920
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,280
been here 62 years. So um I'm requesting

1921
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,239
to have it reszone from the 1 acre to

1922
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,280
half acres. Um, I made application in

1923
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,480
February 5th of 2020.

1924
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:31,600
Um, I wrote a check, they cashed it. I

1925
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,679
wanted to reszone it and I was told that

1926
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:36,640
because Cammy reszone next to me and we

1927
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,640
boarded and she put in a great big pump

1928
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,080
house for like 250 houses that I would

1929
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,199
be able to get half acres. Um, I made

1930
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:48,400
application, nothing ever came of it. I

1931
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,199
put in another request on April 26 of

1932
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:54,320
2021, asked where we were. It was kind

1933
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,640
of tabled and nothing happened. So, I'm

1934
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,640
bringing it up again. I have no

1935
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,280
intention of ever selling or ever

1936
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,120
subdividing. I've been there my whole

1937
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,280
life, but you never know what's going to

1938
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:06,719
happen and what's going to come through,

1939
01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:09,360
and I want to be prepared.

1940
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,560
That's all I got.

1941
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,719
>> Oh, do you have questions for me?

1942
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,640
>> When was the when was the when did you

1943
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,480
write your check? When was the first?

1944
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:21,520
>> Um, I wrote my check February 5th, 2020

1945
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,480
for $471.90

1946
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:27,199
and it was cashed.

1947
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:31,920
>> And then on April 26, 2021, I put in a

1948
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,080
follow-up letter asking where we were

1949
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:38,719
and it nothing. Yeah, I think co

1950
01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:44,950
something happened.

1951
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,870
» Any other questions?

1952
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:49,600
Thank you.

1953
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,440
>> You're welcome.

1954
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,440
>> Malcolm, do you have any You want to do

1955
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,040
a presentation or anything?

1956
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,750
>> Sorry.

1957
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,840
Just add some context. Here's the

1958
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,000
proposed property for the benefit of

1959
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,920
anyone watching.

1960
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:10,400
Two partials. It is located now ranch

1961
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,640
subdivision. Four different phases in

1962
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:17,760
there. current zone R1 R1 similar

1963
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:44,630
require

1964
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:55,189
Sorry.

1965
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:59,120
» So, did you did you take more money for

1966
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,480
was there a new application or was this

1967
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:03,280
just the same application from 2020?

1968
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,400
>> We request for an application.

1969
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:11,189
>> So, you knew Okay. That's not news.

1970
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:14,000
» Do you guys know

1971
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:34,390
anyway?

1972
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,239
» Okay. I know the meeting it was supposed

1973
01:17:36,239 --> 01:18:12,149
to be on there was a cancell

1974
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:14,400
Okay. At this time, we'd like to enter a

1975
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,719
public hearing. If we would uh entertain

1976
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:21,199
a motion,

1977
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:23,840
second

1978
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,440
motion to enter a public hearing was

1979
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,840
made by Commissioner Denny, seconded by

1980
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,520
Commissioner Wake. All in favor?

1981
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,239
>> I I There we go.

1982
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:33,600
All right. Uh, [clears throat] if

1983
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,360
anybody from the public would like to

1984
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,920
make a comment about this particular

1985
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,840
item, again, you have three minutes.

1986
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,199
Please come up, state your name, if

1987
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:49,990
you're a resident of city, please

1988
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,400
res. Um, I just kind of had a question

1989
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,880
on this one and I maybe I'm not

1990
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,120
remembering how the process works, but

1991
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,440
for this and the previous applicant,

1992
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,280
it's my understanding you would still to

1993
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:02,880
amendment to the general plan to future

1994
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,719
man. It's not currently what we have in

1995
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:08,400
the zoning. And so I'm just wondering if

1996
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,159
they actually submitted an application

1997
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,719
to open the general plan and why it

1998
01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:15,840
wasn't noticed that way on the agenda

1999
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,560
that went out like it was on item C for

2000
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:26,470
the terrace property.

2001
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,199
» Would you like to answer?

2002
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:32,480
>> So different cities differently and like

2003
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:34,800
I'm fairly new here at Cooper, but a

2004
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,480
general plan is a general plan. So, um,

2005
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:41,280
anytime there's a reason that isn't in

2006
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,440
line with a general plan, that's a

2007
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:46,159
reason that you could the city could use

2008
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,320
to deny that. Um, but [clears throat]

2009
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,440
it's a general plan. So,

2010
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:54,320
emphasis on the word general. Um, if

2011
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,000
something if an application comes

2012
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,800
forward that the city likes that is not

2013
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,560
in line with the general plan, the

2014
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,719
general plan doesn't prohibit them

2015
01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:04,800
prohibit the city from reszoning it.

2016
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,679
Some cities will every time you get a

2017
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:09,679
reszone, they will then amend their

2018
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:11,840
general plan so that it's in line with

2019
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,159
the res. But that's not required by

2020
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:16,960
state law because state law kind of

2021
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,000
contemplates that a general plan will be

2022
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,719
a very policy level high level guiding

2023
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:24,480
document. So that's that's one reason

2024
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,400
why it wasn'ticed

2025
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:32,550
that way.

2026
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,790
Any other public comment?

2027
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,560
» Okay. At this time take a motion to

2028
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,679
bring it back.

2029
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:43,760
Motion to end the public comment.

2030
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,600
>> Second.

2031
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,520
>> Perfect. Motion was made by Commissioner

2032
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,400
Denny, second by Commissioner Se. Any

2033
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,120
more conversation around this? All in

2034
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,080
favor?

2035
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:04,229
>> Any more comment about this?

2036
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:06,080
So I know in our work session we kind of

2037
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,600
talk about how the city is in

2038
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,800
discussions with um looking at the

2039
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,640
general plan right open and we kind of

2040
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,920
talk about time frame um and where this

2041
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,199
the future the so the current maybe you

2042
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:23,040
didn't mention this what's the current

2043
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,320
uh land use

2044
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,480
>> R1 and then what's the future

2045
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:30,560
>> R1 and there's this weird agricultural

2046
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:34,320
protection overlay whatever Um

2047
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,000
so I think in our discussion we kind of

2048
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,480
mentioned maybe we wait until we we open

2049
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:40,320
a general plan as a whole and and look

2050
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,719
at this area in specific and other

2051
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:45,760
areas. Um if it it lines better with

2052
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,719
halfacre or 3/4 whatever it is. Um that

2053
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:49,840
was something we talked about. I don't

2054
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,080
know if you had any other comments

2055
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,239
regarding we we talked about that and we

2056
01:21:54,239 --> 01:21:56,239
talked about the benefit to the city

2057
01:21:56,239 --> 01:22:04,390
versus the nonbenefit I guess.

2058
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,440
Yeah, that's the thing that probably

2059
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:07,360
trips me up a little bit is the benefit.

2060
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,360
Um, you know, if you're going to make a

2061
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,040
sacrifice for density, usually there's

2062
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,840
something that is is considered. Rosson

2063
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,400
Ranch gave us a regional sub or lift

2064
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,560
station to help provide future

2065
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,159
development. Um,

2066
01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:26,880
so that's where I'm probably hung up is

2067
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,400
how does how does this help the

2068
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,800
community overall and how benefit kind

2069
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,000
of the direction that we're trying to

2070
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,229
push over.

2071
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:37,840
» Also in the work meeting, one of the

2072
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,800
discussion topics we made was if this

2073
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,199
does get denied and there is a change to

2074
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:45,440
the general plan, the applicant can

2075
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:47,679
reapply. They don't have to wait that 12

2076
01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:49,520
month period.

2077
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,040
So that was also a part of that

2078
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:57,110
discussion.

2079
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,320
Any more discussion?

2080
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:11,430
Entertain a motion.

2081
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,920
I I didn't realize that they had made

2082
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,520
application in 2020. So, I wish we got

2083
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,760
an answer a lot long time ago for him.

2084
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,760
So, I I do feel bad about that, but I

2085
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,400
still kind of feel the same as if um I

2086
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,800
think we I think I'll make the motion to

2087
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,920
deny the application and wait for the

2088
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,360
general plan update that will be

2089
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,320
happening soon or we can look at this in

2090
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:38,229
other areas a little more in detail.

2091
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:42,159
Motion is made by Commissioner Wait. Do

2092
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:46,390
I have a second?

2093
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,880
I'll second that.

2094
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,320
All right. Second was made by

2095
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,560
Commissioner Denny. All in favor of the

2096
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,239
motion.

2097
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:58,550
I I

2098
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:02,560
Okay. Thank you. All right. Moving on to

2099
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,639
topic C.

2100
01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:06,560
Uh action item C. This is a reszone

2101
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,360
request and general plan amendment uh

2102
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,480
approximately 4700 west, 5,500 south for

2103
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,440
Terra Strada. Uh the the proposed

2104
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:21,120
request is from R1 zoning uh to C2, PUB,

2105
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,880
R2 and R3 zone.

2106
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,120
Um

2107
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,719
Malcolm, do you want to just give it for

2108
01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:30,239
the folks that may have showed up late

2109
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,080
or showed up on time for the actual

2110
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,639
meeting, give them just a quick overview

2111
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:39,830
of what's being requested?

2112
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,760
Sure.

2113
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:48,390
Here's

2114
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,199
the property. I have five different

2115
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:54,159
parcels that are well five technically

2116
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:56,880
six right here. This little sliver is

2117
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,080
being requested for a reason.

2118
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,320
5500 south 4700 west. It's for a

2119
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,560
commercial development with residential

2120
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,120
on the back. pull up a plan at some

2121
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,159
point any further discussion. But maybe

2122
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:15,760
just to emphasize the current zone is

2123
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:21,199
R1. The future land use map is C1 5500

2124
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:25,280
as opposed to C2 and R75 in the rear. I

2125
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:31,199
think a clarification just to maybe

2126
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:34,480
help understand the process.

2127
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:37,760
The prior the prior requests were not in

2128
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,040
line with the future land use but the

2129
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,520
zones were in use and they were part of

2130
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,239
the general plan. So the amendment was

2131
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:47,520
the reason covers the

2132
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,520
future land use amendment strictly

2133
01:25:51,520 --> 01:26:01,750
clearly in our rescone.

2134
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,199
The difference here is the zones being

2135
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:07,199
requested are explicit in our general

2136
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:10,800
plan either not in use. So for instance

2137
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,400
or they call out for instance right here

2138
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,719
to no additional property in the city

2139
01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:18,239
using this unless the general plan is

2140
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:22,159
amended and additional

2141
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:26,870
that's what we' be doing. be placing

2142
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,440
here in the general plan under page 25

2143
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:31,280
placing

2144
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,560
PUB sorry oh we put the base zone

2145
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,840
residential PUB and community C2 zone in

2146
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,239
use so those zones that are currently

2147
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:43,120
not use plan

2148
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,840
for further use

2149
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:51,110
the general plan to cont

2150
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,920
these applications

2151
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,320
And if you want to see a project, you

2152
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:34,709
want to just maybe pull up the project.

2153
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:36,239
So, it's a commercial development out

2154
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:39,360
front with a primary anchor

2155
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,480
retail pad surrounding it with a gas

2156
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:44,560
station here,

2157
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,719
a residential component in the back, PUB

2158
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,800
with a mixture of town homes, clustered

2159
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,560
cottages and cottages

2160
01:27:54,560 --> 01:28:00,480
within R3 buffer around the

2161
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:07,669
perimeter.

2162
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:11,270
Total of

2163
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,199
15 units

2164
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:17,679
plus 28 additional units. If This

2165
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:21,920
section is residential

2166
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,750
as opposed to commercial

2167
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,960
explanation of what we're working on.

2168
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,199
That was excellent. Thank you. Thank

2169
01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:32,719
you.

2170
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:34,239
Representative from Teras want to come

2171
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:36,960
up and speak on your project,

2172
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:38,800
please. And thank you. State your name

2173
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:44,149
and resurf.

2174
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:46,080
What was the second part address? Are

2175
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,360
you a resident of Hooker?

2176
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,400
>> I am not a resident of Hooker.

2177
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,920
>> Great city.

2178
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,080
>> Malcolm, would you be kind enough to go

2179
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,080
back to the zoning map? I think that's

2180
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,760
an older rendition than our more recent

2181
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,440
updated application and that it just

2182
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:03,920
doesn't show the residential home in the

2183
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,080
corner also being reszoned. I just want

2184
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,440
to make sure the record was clear on

2185
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:15,030
what the request was.

2186
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,280
I think there's been enough discussion

2187
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,960
about the reason for the general plan

2188
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,960
and the most important uh general plan

2189
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:22,480
amendment. I think the most important

2190
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:25,840
part is that code requires it for this

2191
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,320
use and zoning that's being requested.

2192
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,400
We've talked about other reasons for

2193
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,040
that in the past and uh that's as

2194
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,400
Malcolm's already stated that's probably

2195
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,120
the most important reason. The uh next

2196
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,159
one is the reszone and asking for a

2197
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:41,600
little bit of a change in density.

2198
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,320
Typically in commercial centers there is

2199
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,040
a more dense zoning that is established

2200
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:48,639
around the commercial center to

2201
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:51,520
transition back to the remainder of the

2202
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,239
community and oftent times commercial

2203
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:56,800
zones are used as a transition buffer.

2204
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,239
In this case that's what's being

2205
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:01,679
requested. If with the reszone being

2206
01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:03,520
discussed extensively as well as the

2207
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,360
general plan amendment what I might try

2208
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,280
to if I could is just focus on the

2209
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:08,719
master development agreement that's

2210
01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:11,120
proposed and be able to speak to a

2211
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,239
couple of items. Page one lists several

2212
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:17,199
recital which are eventually uh brought

2213
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:20,480
into the agreement uh by a statement but

2214
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:24,400
these recitalles need to be updated as

2215
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,159
different.

2216
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:28,560
We desire this to be or the

2217
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:29,920
recommendations that are come out of

2218
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:31,920
tonight maybe some of the areas change

2219
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:33,840
that are represented here. Just wanted

2220
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,280
to be clear that those will all be

2221
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,120
updated based on the record in the house

2222
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,360
reported this evening. And if there's

2223
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,120
time to get that in the council package

2224
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,080
we'll to do that. Turning a couple of

2225
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,560
pages, the descriptions that have

2226
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:47,679
already been provided about the

2227
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:49,040
reasoning behind the general plan

2228
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,440
amendment on page three are referenced

2229
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:52,960
there and then highlighted in what's

2230
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,280
been provided in your packet. The

2231
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,400
requested zoning with the R3, the patio

2232
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,560
homes as well as the PUD for the town

2233
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,679
home portion is referenced there. With

2234
01:31:03,679 --> 01:31:05,360
all the discussion, there has been a lot

2235
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,679
of concern about following the current

2236
01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:11,040
code within the city and the first

2237
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,159
portion here on page four, section 2.4,

2238
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:16,800
where it lists commercial uses. When we

2239
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,520
were when we said the uses that are in

2240
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,199
that table are fine with us. They

2241
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:23,760
provide all the uses that we desire.

2242
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:25,600
There was some concern expressed by some

2243
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,080
of the uses being auto, truck,

2244
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,000
recreational vehicles. It's a permitted

2245
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,719
use in the zone, but didn't want that to

2246
01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:34,320
be in this development. And this was a

2247
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:35,600
request of the city, so it's

2248
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,719
incorporated here. Uh only having one

2249
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:41,280
gas station in the shopping center, not

2250
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,600
more than one. Those that's the language

2251
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,159
that's been provided there.

2252
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:47,760
A concern has been expressed about

2253
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,080
screening and that would be screening

2254
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,080
the commercial from the residential.

2255
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:53,840
There are two types of fencing provided

2256
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,440
in the development agreement. Just to be

2257
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:58,639
clear, the current code of the city

2258
01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:00,320
doesn't specify a height of the

2259
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,719
screening. It's offered to be six feet

2260
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:05,280
here and that could be a masonry screen

2261
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,360
wall. Typically, it's a concrete masonry

2262
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,080
unit wall or a decorative fence which is

2263
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:11,840
typically a pre-cast post and panel

2264
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,159
wall. Those that are familiar with the

2265
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:16,400
Cisville Shopping Center, at the back of

2266
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,159
the Cisville Shopping Center is a six

2267
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:20,320
foot post and panel wall to give you an

2268
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,800
example of what one might look like. The

2269
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,520
next section 2.6 talks about the

2270
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,760
landscape buffer that would be adjacent

2271
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,239
to that 6ft stream wall. A 10-ft

2272
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:32,719
landscape buffer consisting of trees,

2273
01:32:32,719 --> 01:32:33,840
pedestrian [clears throat] connections,

2274
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:37,040
and other plantings are proposed.

2275
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,679
The uh lighting is the next section

2276
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:41,199
2.6.5.

2277
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:43,280
It is proposed or has been discussed.

2278
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:44,880
It's not written in here but can be

2279
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,520
easily added that the height of the

2280
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,639
fixture in the parking areas of the

2281
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:53,920
commercial will be 25 ft high. The

2282
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,440
building the uh grosser anchor building

2283
01:32:57,440 --> 01:32:59,679
the the lowest portion of that building

2284
01:32:59,679 --> 01:33:03,040
is 26 ft. And the idea was the building

2285
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,679
would provide some screening. There will

2286
01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:07,760
be ballpack lights on the building

2287
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,440
itself. Those are at a 15 foot height

2288
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:14,080
and uh can be you know we'll we'll

2289
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:15,760
provide a full forward metric plan once

2290
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:19,120
it's determined and and again establish

2291
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:20,639
what the height of that should be but I

2292
01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:22,639
think it through the discussions and so

2293
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:24,560
forth there seems to be some interest in

2294
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,159
holding the 25 as we move into the R3

2295
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:30,000
zoning there is one request which is

2296
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,400
different from the code and that is to

2297
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:36,480
have the frontages be 85 ft that is

2298
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:39,360
still capable of providing a modern home

2299
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,199
having a threecar garage and uh so the

2300
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:45,199
code only requires a twocar garage but

2301
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:46,719
there's still interest in providing that

2302
01:33:46,719 --> 01:33:49,120
on some of these wider lots the current

2303
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,840
code requires 100 foot frontage and so

2304
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,440
that is a deviation that's being

2305
01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:55,360
requested

2306
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,639
the uh we looked at open space which I

2307
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:00,159
think the rest of these items can be

2308
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:03,199
summed up in the code requires 40% open

2309
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:04,960
space we learned tonight as a

2310
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,199
clarification that roads can be deducted

2311
01:34:07,199 --> 01:34:10,560
out of that my calculation showing 10%

2312
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,000
and some of the front yards that were

2313
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,199
calculated yards to area. I had the

2314
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:18,000
streets in there. We also looked at some

2315
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:19,360
zoning. I don't know if you're able to

2316
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,280
show that picture, but there was a we

2317
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,040
tried to look at some of the open space

2318
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,960
in the commercial areas, plantings along

2319
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:26,719
the roadways and so forth, not the

2320
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:28,960
internal plantings. And that was in the

2321
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,920
range of about 10% as well. Uh we need

2322
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,639
to recalculate that open space number

2323
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:38,400
because we The setbacks are a little bit

2324
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,400
greater shown here. If we stay with the

2325
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,639
code of the 35 foot setback to the front

2326
01:34:42,639 --> 01:34:45,520
of the home for the R3 and some of the

2327
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,840
other setbacks that are listed here. If

2328
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,000
you go to the

2329
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,320
appendix where it lists where the and

2330
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:53,679
you don't have to jump there, Malcolm, I

2331
01:34:53,679 --> 01:34:56,159
just want them to know the appendix

2332
01:34:56,159 --> 01:35:00,719
shows a design standard that has shorter

2333
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:03,360
setbacks than the current code. But if

2334
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,520
the interest is to get a higher open

2335
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,760
space number for the development to be

2336
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,159
closer to the code, we need to honor the

2337
01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:12,400
setbacks that are currently in the code.

2338
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:13,760
So I just wanted to clarify that

2339
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,840
willingness. We talked a little bit

2340
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,840
earlier on the cottage lots how the

2341
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:21,760
common driveways will have 10 ft of each

2342
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,280
of those lots taken up by a driveway as

2343
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,679
well as a connecting sidewalk. That

2344
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:29,840
would be 10 ft as well. We're just

2345
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,159
asking that the 6,500

2346
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:35,120
shown in here be reduced to the 6250 to

2347
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,719
be able to accommodate that loss of

2348
01:35:36,719 --> 01:35:40,400
area. Um there's been some discussion

2349
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,159
about the request on the town homes to

2350
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:45,760
have six plexes. Uh the code currently

2351
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,600
shows four and so that's a request

2352
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,000
that's being made. We hope to receive at

2353
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,159
least a recommendation on that being

2354
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,560
forwarded to the city council.

2355
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,600
The other interest was to not have a

2356
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,239
residential monument entry sign that is

2357
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:02,719
required by the code and be able to have

2358
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:04,800
that be put towards some amenities

2359
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,280
within the residential area or some

2360
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,040
amenities within the open space that's

2361
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,040
proposed rather than having that

2362
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,040
monument feature is required. So that's

2363
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:14,480
another deviation that's being

2364
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:17,199
requested. The rest of the items again

2365
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:19,679
pretty much follow what's in the code

2366
01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:23,120
and uh don't really bear much additional

2367
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:25,520
discussion. There was some concern about

2368
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,000
phasing that has been expressed in the

2369
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,600
project and really that was an attempt

2370
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,120
to

2371
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,679
appease some concerns about oh you'll

2372
01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:35,440
just build the residential and get that

2373
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:36,719
density in there and then you won't

2374
01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:39,840
build the commercial. There is a market

2375
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,679
that drives these projects and currently

2376
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:45,840
the Wester corridor is what's really

2377
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,480
driving the value for the commercial and

2378
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:49,840
there may be some delay in the

2379
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:51,040
construction of the commercial

2380
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,280
associated with the construction of that

2381
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,600
roadway. I would like the timing to be

2382
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,920
consistent. You'll notice in the signage

2383
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,600
request that there's a tall sign

2384
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,040
requested on 5500. That's in interest of

2385
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,880
being able to have some visibility to

2386
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,880
the shopping center from the roadway

2387
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,719
that is planned within 5 to 1500 ft to

2388
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:13,440
the west of this location. UD do was a

2389
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:15,280
little bit vague in our pre-application

2390
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,840
meeting with them.

2391
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:20,560
uh material changes are outlined and I

2392
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,480
think the remaining comment that there

2393
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:25,280
was a lot of concern expressed about was

2394
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:27,119
uh what was originally mentioned as the

2395
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:28,800
city's participation in the construction

2396
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,080
of the lift station and other

2397
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,960
improvements that has been removed from

2398
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:34,880
the agreement and language has been

2399
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,280
provided by the city to say that if the

2400
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,360
city is going to participate say in the

2401
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:40,880
lift station that will be done by a

2402
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,199
separate agreement and not part of the

2403
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:45,600
master development agreement and that

2404
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,040
any impact that this shopping center may

2405
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:50,880
have on that list station would be

2406
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,639
proportionally borne by the shopping

2407
01:37:52,639 --> 01:37:54,400
center and just wanted to be able to

2408
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:55,920
cover that additional language that was

2409
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,840
provided there as well. If there's any

2410
01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:59,760
questions I'd be happy to entertain them

2411
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:01,600
really just wanted to focus on on the

2412
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,600
development agreement portion is there's

2413
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,280
been a lot of discussion on zoning and

2414
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:06,560
general plan.

2415
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,639
>> Okay, just I want to get one piece of

2416
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:10,159
clarification from Nick. So, something

2417
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,239
we talked about in the work meeting, we

2418
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:13,840
have the reszone request and general

2419
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,320
plan amendment first and then the

2420
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:18,239
recommendation of the master development

2421
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:19,440
agreement that we want to have public

2422
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:21,119
hearings on both of those items.

2423
01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:21,600
Correct.

2424
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:22,159
>> That's correct.

2425
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:24,560
>> So, we we probably don't want to ask a

2426
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:25,840
lot of questions about the developer

2427
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:27,520
agreement right now and stick with the

2428
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,600
reszone or what are your thoughts around

2429
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:29,840
that?

2430
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:31,040
>> Yeah, I mean they're they're obviously

2431
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:35,040
very interconnected. Um, so I think just

2432
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:36,320
the citizenry should have the

2433
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,679
opportunity to speak to their opin both

2434
01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:42,159
items. Some might have strong feelings

2435
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:44,159
on one and the other. So,

2436
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:47,679
>> um but but I think it's somewhat of a

2437
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:49,760
distinction without a difference and I

2438
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:51,679
think you can ask whatever questions you

2439
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:52,960
want whenever you want.

2440
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:54,000
>> Okay.

2441
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,080
>> I apologize for not being familiar with

2442
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,440
the formalities of the first city. It is

2443
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:02,000
often the case where the public hearing

2444
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,400
is held. I take notes as to what the

2445
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,080
questions are and then I'm invited back

2446
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,800
up to respond to those questions. If

2447
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:10,960
that's a format that you're okay with, I

2448
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:12,320
just wanted you to know I'd be willing

2449
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:12,960
to do that.

2450
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,360
>> That's I appreciate that. And obviously

2451
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:16,800
I'm not familiar with it either. I've

2452
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,480
had a couple scrubs tonight. So that

2453
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:19,199
that's great.

2454
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:21,760
>> Okay. Thank you.

2455
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,040
>> All right. Uh so at this time we will uh

2456
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:28,159
move into an or entertain a motion to

2457
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:30,393
enter into a public hearing

2458
01:39:30,393 --> 01:39:32,400
[clears throat] uh to receive input on

2459
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:36,560
the reszone record excuse me the uh the

2460
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,600
reszone request and the general plan

2461
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,119
amendment.

2462
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:44,080
Uh can I I'll make a motion to enter

2463
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,000
into a public hearing for the reason

2464
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,480
request and general plan amendment uh

2465
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,760
for terra policy. Second.

2466
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:52,880
>> Second.

2467
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,040
>> Perfect. Uh motion was made by

2468
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,520
Commissioner Wait, seconded by

2469
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,520
Commissioner Seing. All in favor?

2470
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,360
>> I.

2471
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,760
>> Perfect. At this time, we'd invite uh

2472
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:05,119
anybody from the public that would like

2473
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,840
to speak on this. Again, as a reminder,

2474
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:09,840
uh you have three minutes that will be

2475
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,400
timed by Miss Morgan over here. Uh

2476
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,639
please state your name and if you are a

2477
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:25,189
resident of Hooper City.

2478
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:28,719
I'm Prince City res. Uh I know many of

2479
01:40:28,719 --> 01:40:30,320
you are aware of my views and concerns

2480
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:32,480
about this project. Uh 3 minutes is not

2481
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:34,000
a lot of time, so I'll briefly summarize

2482
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,000
some main points. I want to begin by

2483
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,679
clarifying that I'm not opposed to some

2484
01:40:37,679 --> 01:40:39,679
commercial development in Hooper. I'm

2485
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:41,119
asking the planning commission and city

2486
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:42,560
council to consider whether we are

2487
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,400
getting the right development for Hooper

2488
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,000
and whether we need to give away things

2489
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,679
that we don't need to give away in order

2490
01:40:47,679 --> 01:40:49,840
to get it. I am strongly opposed to the

2491
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:51,440
highdensity residential component of

2492
01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:53,119
this proposal, particularly the town

2493
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:55,360
homes and other highdensity housing.

2494
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:56,880
There is one type of highdensity

2495
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,639
residential development I would support,

2496
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:00,639
a senior living community consisting of

2497
01:41:00,639 --> 01:41:03,040
onele single family residences. This

2498
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:04,639
could provide a valuable housing option

2499
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:07,360
for aging residents who want to remain

2500
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,280
in the community they call home while

2501
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:10,880
putting them within a short drive or

2502
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,560
potentially even walking distance of a

2503
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,000
grocery store, restaurants, and other

2504
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,159
services. Our current code for patio

2505
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:17,760
zones allows for senior living

2506
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,679
community. In fact, it says that one of

2507
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:21,280
the reasons it was created was to allow

2508
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,199
a developer to more closely tailor a

2509
01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:25,280
development project to a specific user

2510
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,639
group such as retired persons.

2511
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:30,639
Um, the town homes and highdensity

2512
01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:32,639
housing proposed here are very type of

2513
01:41:32,639 --> 01:41:34,639
development. We also need to remember

2514
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:36,239
what Hooker residents have already told

2515
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:38,239
us. During the previous general plan

2516
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:39,679
process, residents were given an

2517
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:41,440
opportunity to provide input about the

2518
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:43,520
future of our community. The majority of

2519
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,440
citizens who participated expressed that

2520
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:46,800
they did not want town homes or

2521
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,719
highdensity housing in Huffer. I

2522
01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:50,159
understand that the that the city is

2523
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:51,840
preparing to reopen and substantially

2524
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,760
revise the general plan and that a

2525
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,040
committee has already been formed for

2526
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:57,119
that purpose. That is exactly why I

2527
01:41:57,119 --> 01:41:58,480
believe we should not make a major

2528
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:00,320
change to highdensity residential zoning

2529
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,320
on this property before that process

2530
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:04,080
occurs and before the public has had an

2531
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,320
opportunity to participate. If the

2532
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:07,760
community's vision for Hover is

2533
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:09,040
changing, then let's have that

2534
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:10,880
conversation openly and comprehensively

2535
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:12,960
through the general plan process, not

2536
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,800
make that decision one development at a

2537
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,040
time. I also have serious concerns about

2538
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:18,480
the city's participation in tax

2539
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:20,719
increment financing, CRAAS, PIDs, or

2540
01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:22,480
other forms of public financing for this

2541
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:24,560
development. The revised development

2542
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:26,239
agreement references several mechanisms

2543
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:28,239
that could involve public financing, tax

2544
01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:31,440
increment, PI bonds, PID, property tax

2545
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:33,119
revenues, fees, assessments, and other

2546
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:35,520
public revenues. I believe the developer

2547
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:36,639
should be responsible for the

2548
01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:38,080
infrastructure connected to his

2549
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:39,920
development. If there are regional

2550
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:41,600
infrastructure improvements that benefit

2551
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,679
future development, let's look at fair,

2552
01:42:43,679 --> 01:42:45,199
legally authorized reimbursement

2553
01:42:45,199 --> 01:42:47,119
mechanisms, such as pioneering

2554
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:49,360
agreements where future users pay their

2555
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:50,880
appropriate share of the infrastructure

2556
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,679
they benefit from. I do not city needs

2557
01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:56,159
to participate in a CRA or P to make

2558
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:58,159
this development happen. This is prime

2559
01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:00,400
real estate. The new highway is coming

2560
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:01,920
that dramatically increases the value

2561
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:03,360
and development potential of this

2562
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,840
property. We are not in a we are not in

2563
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,679
a position where has to settle for

2564
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:09,679
whatever development is offered to us.

2565
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:11,840
We have an opportunity to be selective.

2566
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:12,960
We can ask for the commercial

2567
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,800
development we want, the infrastructure

2568
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,560
we need, and the development standards

2569
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:17,920
that protect the character of our

2570
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:19,840
community. And we need to think beyond

2571
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,920
this one project. Whatever we approve

2572
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,360
here set a precedent for future

2573
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,360
developers who come to Huffer. If we

2574
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,119
establish that highdensity housing,

2575
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:29,280
exceptions to development standards or

2576
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:30,880
public financing are necessary

2577
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,119
concentions. Is that it?

2578
01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:34,239
>> All right. Thank you. Sorry, I was

2579
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:38,790
trying.

2580
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,440
» Anyone else?

2581
01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:44,080
>> Can you go back to that map,

2582
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:44,880
>> please?

2583
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:45,679
>> Oh, ma'am.

2584
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:47,600
>> Oh, yes.

2585
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:48,800
>> Please state your name if you're a

2586
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:50,880
resident of Hook. My name is Tracy Word

2587
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:52,239
and yes, I am a resident.

2588
01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:53,440
>> Thank you very much.

2589
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:56,320
>> Okay. Can you go back to that other map?

2590
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:02,950
Not this one.

2591
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:04,400
» Okay. Question.

2592
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,639
>> Ma'am, hang on. I need you to please

2593
01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:08,239
come to the microphone so that we can

2594
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:09,679
record it and folks that are

2595
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:11,280
participating online can hear your

2596
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:12,080
comments as well.

2597
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:15,600
>> Not a problem. Okay. In the bottom uh

2598
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:19,280
left hand corner, it says multi-tenant

2599
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,960
And there's 50 parking spaces,

2600
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:24,639
apartments.

2601
01:44:24,639 --> 01:44:26,719
After the meeting two weeks ago, I spoke

2602
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:29,840
to the two gentlemen um that are doing

2603
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,280
the development and I was talking to

2604
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:35,920
them about it and they said, "Can you go

2605
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:37,920
out?"

2606
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,867
Okay. where

2607
01:44:40,867 --> 01:44:44,400
[snorts] on this side the flex

2608
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,800
that they could and a proposal that

2609
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,000
they're looking at is making that

2610
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:53,280
commercial apartments.

2611
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,679
Okay. So, you got that. So, after after

2612
01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:59,520
I spoke to them, I spoke to Sher and I love Sher. I think the world of

2613
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,360
her. Okay. And I was talking to Sher

2614
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,400
about it and she said, "Oh, no, no, no.

2615
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:08,560
We want a community center, a pavilion,

2616
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,600
and an assisted building.

2617
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:13,840
At the last meeting, I said, "Let's be

2618
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:15,199
transparent. Show me what you're going

2619
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:16,960
to go."

2620
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,440
And Blake, you pulled up this map. Not

2621
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:21,119
you personally, but you pulled up this

2622
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:23,040
map. And I thought, "Okay, no problem."

2623
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,719
Well, then after speaking to people

2624
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:26,480
after the meeting, I'm like, "This is

2625
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:29,440
not the map." So, all I'm asking as a

2626
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:32,400
city planner is let's find out exactly

2627
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,960
what is going there. Sure is doing this,

2628
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:37,600
right? He's a builder. He knows all the

2629
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,560
builders in the state of Utah by the f

2630
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:43,360
state of Utah by their first names. He

2631
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,000
knows what's going to go there. Let us

2632
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,320
know what's going to go there so that we

2633
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,560
can say, "Yeah, no problem. No problem.

2634
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,199
My house is going to be right back." And

2635
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:55,360
if they build apartments, we've got

2636
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,679
fivetory apartments in my backyard. I

2637
01:45:57,679 --> 01:46:00,000
didn't move to Hopper for apartments. We

2638
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,280
keep saying not apartments, not

2639
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:02,800
apartments.

2640
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,400
That's going to be apartments. Thank

2641
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:09,910
you.

2642
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:11,520
» Now, do you want to give a small piece

2643
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,119
of clarification on that? I know we

2644
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:15,199
normally don't respond back, but I think

2645
01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:17,520
there's might be a small misconception

2646
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:18,480
there.

2647
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:21,840
>> Um, zoning change will permit for

2648
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,199
allowed uses within that zone.

2649
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:27,440
This mixed use zone as defined in the

2650
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:28,960
development agreement either is

2651
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:30,719
contemplating

2652
01:46:30,719 --> 01:46:32,880
additional Herbert Crossing plan

2653
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,520
residential which would be similar PUD

2654
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:37,520
and patio zone combination with trainer

2655
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:41,360
zones so density of six units maximum as

2656
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,760
displayed here would be town homes. Um

2657
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,080
there's discussion uh in our work

2658
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,880
meeting of potentially looking at

2659
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,199
commercial uh primarily if it's

2660
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:52,960
commercial it would be included as part

2661
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:57,600
of our C2 zone. Our C2 zone is for uh

2662
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,480
you know commercial development with

2663
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:03,440
retail emphasis to provide amenities and

2664
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:04,880
things like that. So we have some type

2665
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,400
of similar usage within our allowed

2666
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,800
usage in that zone whether it's retail

2667
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:12,560
shopping

2668
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:16,880
of that are allowed in a C2 zone.

2669
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,119
>> Does C does C2 zone allow for like

2670
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:23,280
commercial and bottom end living?

2671
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,119
>> So that's kind of the clarification I

2672
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:25,679
wanted.

2673
01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:26,800
>> No.

2674
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:28,639
>> So there's not any in the C2 zone.

2675
01:47:28,639 --> 01:47:30,080
There's not any clarification for

2676
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,400
apartments options. Let me double check,

2677
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:40,550
but not that I I don't believe so.

2678
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:46,070
» Any other residents?

2679
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:48,320
I'm a resident

2680
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,920
moved here to get out of the city.

2681
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:52,960
>> Can I grab your name?

2682
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:54,000
>> My name is Andrew.

2683
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,760
>> Thank you.

2684
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,199
and I moved to get out of the city and I

2685
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:02,239
want to be move live move live move live move live moved around all the towns and

2686
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:04,880
the apartments and all the high traffic

2687
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:08,400
and drugs and stuff that I came from

2688
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,199
and I'm raising my family here and now

2689
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:13,840
we got a lot of traffic on the street

2690
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,239
and a lot of school kids around a lot of

2691
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:18,800
schools around where I live and I don't

2692
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,719
think the roadway can handle all this

2693
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:24,629
stuff you're here going on

2694
01:48:24,639 --> 01:48:26,320
And I don't like how the taxes are going

2695
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,679
to be used for the the sewer system you

2696
01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:33,040
want to put in.

2697
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:34,705
And

2698
01:48:34,705 --> 01:48:36,560
[clears throat]

2699
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,480
I just don't want all the high-rise

2700
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:41,679
buildings put in the backyard,

2701
01:48:41,679 --> 01:48:43,040
you know, cuz you can't look at the

2702
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:46,719
sunsets and all that the mornings. Like

2703
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:49,440
my brother lives in Roy. His backyard is

2704
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:52,080
nothing but a six

2705
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,960
He looks up and he sees a sixlex.

2706
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:56,800
Can't see anything around him. All

2707
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:01,920
walls, you know. It's terrible.

2708
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:07,109
Thanks for time. Thank you.

2709
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:16,310
Anyone else?

2710
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:17,920
My name is Holly Johnson and I'm a

2711
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:21,679
resident of Clipper. We also moved here

2712
01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:23,280
for the purpose of getting out of the

2713
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:27,199
city. We have horse property and

2714
01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:30,080
this is not what we expected to be in.

2715
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:31,760
If we'd have wanted something like this,

2716
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,880
we have stayed where we were. And so to

2717
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:36,960
me, it's also going to bring down the

2718
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:40,080
value of our homes. If we decided to

2719
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,400
move, we're not going to get anything

2720
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,719
out of our houses compared to this.

2721
01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:46,560
What's in the modified high density

2722
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:49,440
residential area? What's planning on

2723
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:53,430
being in the area.

2724
01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:56,880
» So during these we we don't generally do

2725
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:58,159
a back and forth. So

2726
01:49:58,159 --> 01:49:59,920
>> Okay. Well, I just don't know what I

2727
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:02,400
can't understand what that high modified

2728
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,400
highdensity residential is, but

2729
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:05,840
>> Sure. We'll we'll have Malcolm clarify

2730
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:06,639
that when you're done.

2731
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:09,440
>> Okay. Anyhow, this is not not what we

2732
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:12,000
moved here for and and the idea of being

2733
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,760
able to ride our horses like we have

2734
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:17,600
done is not going to be possible

2735
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,440
anymore.

2736
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:21,520
Thank you.

2737
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,199
>> Thank you. Malcolm, will you clarify

2738
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:26,080
that just real quick on the modified in

2739
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:27,280
the blue?

2740
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:30,480
>> Yeah, it looks like proposed modified

2741
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:33,360
high density residential.

2742
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,239
So the blue specifically consists of 23

2743
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:39,760
lots that'll be 13,000 square foot

2744
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:41,520
maximum.

2745
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:46,159
The crossing plan of residential will

2746
01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:48,560
encompass our PUB

2747
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:54,080
zone and will consist of 92 lots should

2748
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:57,920
92 lots that are uh 92 buildings, excuse

2749
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:02,080
me, consist of town homes and patio

2750
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,800
homes and they're calling them clustered

2751
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:11,830
cottages. So you can kind of see better

2752
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:19,350
what type of structures those are

2753
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,920
the types of product that you see within

2754
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:23,920
it. I think it's clear probably

2755
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:27,119
important to point out where we would be

2756
01:51:27,119 --> 01:51:29,360
blocking in the number of units the

2757
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,600
developer even does specify some

2758
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:35,119
flexibility potentially for the type of

2759
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:37,599
product you use to be modified within

2760
01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:40,000
the products that are displayed but

2761
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,320
number of units would be

2762
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:47,669
what we're approving.

2763
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:52,000
And just to be clear, these 28 units

2764
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,800
are part of this section of the

2765
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,760
development here. And this section of

2766
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,599
the development

2767
01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:02,719
is being proposed as flex space.

2768
01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:04,800
That flight space could be commercial,

2769
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,280
but it were not commercial and it ended

2770
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,679
up being part of the

2771
01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:14,070
would be 28

2772
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:18,629
represented here.

2773
01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:22,629
» Excellent. Thank you.

2774
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:26,567
» Anyone else?

2775
01:52:26,577 --> 01:52:28,400
[clears throat]

2776
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:32,400
>> I'm Amy Kristofferson, Her. Um, again, I

2777
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,239
just want to formally register my

2778
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:37,040
continuing steadfast opposition

2779
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,520
um to the proposed general amendment and

2780
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:42,080
reszone request um as well as the

2781
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,480
associated recommendation of the master

2782
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:47,280
development agreement for Hoper Crossing

2783
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:49,520
commercial center. However, I want to

2784
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,239
clearly state um that my opposition and

2785
01:52:52,239 --> 01:52:54,960
that of many of our fellow um Hooper

2786
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,040
residents is not an opposition to growth

2787
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:59,520
itself. We recognize that Hooper City

2788
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:01,360
must find effective ways to expand,

2789
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:03,520
evolve, and meet the needs of the future

2790
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,280
while maintaining our unique heritage

2791
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,840
and culture. What we firmly reject are

2792
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,000
politician developers who exploit their

2793
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,159
position and influence to shift the

2794
01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:13,679
immense financial burdens and

2795
01:53:13,679 --> 01:53:15,679
infrastructure risks of private

2796
01:53:15,679 --> 01:53:17,520
developments directly onto everyday

2797
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:20,000
citizens. While these developers reap

2798
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:21,920
maximum profits, Hooper residents are

2799
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:23,760
left holding the bill for the long-term

2800
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,080
debt and strains placed on our local

2801
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:28,639
utilities, roads, and public services.

2802
01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:31,119
We do not want Hooper to become yet

2803
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:33,840
another cautionary tale. We have a stark

2804
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:36,480
tragic example of this exact dynamic

2805
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:38,719
playing out in Eagle Mountain, Utah.

2806
01:53:38,719 --> 01:53:40,400
Years of massive tax breaks and

2807
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:42,639
short-sighted developer incentives

2808
01:53:42,639 --> 01:53:44,400
ultimately forced the city council to

2809
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:46,400
pass a staggering

2810
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,840
183% property tax rate hike in August

2811
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:52,400
2026 to make up for infrastructure and

2812
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,719
public safety strains. This crushed

2813
01:53:54,719 --> 01:53:56,639
local homeowners and sparked a furious,

2814
01:53:56,639 --> 01:53:58,960
desperate resident referendum to block

2815
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,599
the financial fallout. Upper taxpayers

2816
01:54:01,599 --> 01:54:03,599
deserve better than false promises that

2817
01:54:03,599 --> 01:54:06,080
raps rapid subsidized growth will

2818
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:09,119
magically generate municipal re revenue

2819
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:12,000
if honest a-olitical developers come to

2820
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:13,679
Hooper with a willingness to pay their

2821
01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:15,840
own way directly funding and

2822
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:17,360
contributing to the necessary

2823
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:19,520
infrastructure upfront. Our community

2824
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:21,840
would gladly welcome them. Development

2825
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:23,520
should be a partnership that protects

2826
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,920
residents from future tax burdens and

2827
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:27,920
respects our city's long-term financial

2828
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,560
health. The solution to The Hooker's

2829
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,400
growth is definitely not to be found in

2830
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:34,480
predatory development schemes or

2831
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:36,719
corporate tax setups associated with

2832
01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:39,920
Terara Strada, Steuart Adams and his

2833
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:42,159
associates. I urge you to stand up for

2834
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:43,920
your constituents to protect our

2835
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,159
pocketbooks and deny the reszone and

2836
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:48,159
master development agreement for the

2837
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:50,880
Hooper Crossing Commercial Center. And I

2838
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:54,000
also uh we also moved here for a way of

2839
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:57,199
life and it is the last. You want to see

2840
01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:59,040
how they've ruined Cisville and you want

2841
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:00,320
to see how they've ruined Eagle

2842
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:03,199
Mountain, go drive around there for 10

2843
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:05,520
minutes, drive on the roads and just see

2844
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:08,320
the crowd and all of that. We're here

2845
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:12,400
for the sunsets, too. And Tana, I was

2846
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:15,199
going to oppose your your thing because

2847
01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:18,000
my husband and I drive by your by your

2848
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,000
place and we coveret it all the time.

2849
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,560
And we don't we don't want to see those

2850
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:24,800
beautiful things go away. It's a gift to

2851
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:30,719
all of us and there's got to be a way to do things what Amanda Prince said.

2852
01:55:30,719 --> 01:55:32,320
>> Sorry, didn't mean to cut out.

2853
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:36,709
>> I wasn't paying attention. Thank you.

2854
01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:43,030
» Any other citizen comment?

2855
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:46,560
» Suzanne Sterland, resident of

2856
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:48,560
um I've emailed you guys before and a

2857
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,199
lot of you email me back. So, my opinion

2858
01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:53,040
has been said a lot and it reflects what

2859
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:54,639
all these people have been saying,

2860
01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:56,560
especially Amanda. So, I'm not going to

2861
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:58,320
hit on everything just because a lot of

2862
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,320
people have said stuff. Um, I'll just

2863
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,760
quickly say I'm against the AUP and the

2864
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:05,360
TID because I feel like it doesn't

2865
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:07,920
benefit our city and puts money onto us.

2866
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:10,639
I'm against the high density. Um, if you

2867
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:12,800
just zoom out of that map and see what's

2868
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,280
around and what's just barely north,

2869
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:18,239
there is so many acre plus lots that are

2870
01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:21,760
around. And we moved on to 4700 knowing

2871
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:23,119
that there would be commercial. So, I'm

2872
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:25,119
not against the commercial. And knowing

2873
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:28,320
what the general plan was developed out

2874
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,080
and it was very clear in the general

2875
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:32,639
plan that the citizens of Hooker were

2876
01:56:32,639 --> 01:56:34,800
against highdensity housing and that's

2877
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:36,080
what made me say, you know what, it

2878
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:37,360
would be cool to have a grocery store.

2879
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:38,480
And I'm glad that they don't want the

2880
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,280
high density housing. And so it it will

2881
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:43,679
affect us residents and we've we've

2882
01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:45,840
moved here for a reason. And I actually

2883
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:48,400
happen lived in Hooker for a long time

2884
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:50,320
in my life, but we literally decided to

2885
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:52,560
stay here and be close to this to what

2886
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,400
the general plan was. And so to open the

2887
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:58,239
general plan just for um a developer who

2888
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:00,159
is coming in and asking for it, I don't

2889
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:02,000
think that that's the right thing to do.

2890
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:03,840
I also want to focus on the sewer as

2891
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,239
well. Um, I feel like we really need to

2892
01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:08,320
figure something out with the sewer and

2893
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:11,199
Hopper. Um, I know for instance the

2894
01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:13,840
Quail Meadows um neighborhood has backed

2895
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:17,920
up many many times um in this summer.

2896
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:19,360
Um, we've had a resident that's backed

2897
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:22,960
up three times and I'm very very worried

2898
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:24,719
because I'm on septic right now and I

2899
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:27,520
feel great with my what I have and I

2900
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,360
don't want my really really nice house

2901
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:31,599
to be backed up with sewer and when

2902
01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:33,440
we're seeing the coil coil meadows is

2903
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:36,239
brand new. um that shouldn't be

2904
01:57:36,239 --> 01:57:39,920
happening. And so it worries me that um

2905
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:41,920
we're gonna it's been stated before and

2906
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,840
I don't know if it's the truth that was

2907
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:45,840
it was said in a meeting that um we

2908
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:47,920
would be forced to hook into sewer. So

2909
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,320
please also know if Stuart Adams is not

2910
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,239
willing to pay for sewer then why did

2911
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:54,400
the residents have to pay for because

2912
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:55,440
we're going to we're going to have to

2913
01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:57,199
shoulder a lot of costs the people who

2914
01:57:57,199 --> 01:57:59,360
aren't on sewer. And so realize that

2915
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,760
like I feel like the developer has

2916
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:03,920
plenty of money and we're gonna it's

2917
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,080
gonna be on the shoulders of Hope City.

2918
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,679
So realize that and I would like to see

2919
01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:09,760
him pay some of the cost too. Not my

2920
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:11,440
personal cost but what they're doing. I

2921
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:13,119
don't think he should be off scotchfree

2922
01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:14,480
and I also don't want the steward to

2923
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:16,480
back on us. So please look into that

2924
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:19,360
issue as well. Thank you.

2925
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,159
>> Thank you.

2926
01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:24,800
>> Any other comments?

2927
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:26,800
>> I don't know if I can get twice in the

2928
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:27,920
same thing. No ma'am.

2929
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:28,480
>> Okay.

2930
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:32,229
>> Thank you though.

2931
01:58:32,239 --> 01:58:36,070
» Okay.

2932
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:40,080
» Tony Zick, resident of Upper. This has

2933
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:43,440
been going on for a long time and the

2934
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:45,040
first

2935
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:48,560
site plan lot map. They brought us

2936
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,040
showed a bigger store

2937
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:54,000
and the development and everything. We

2938
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,639
shot it down because they didn't meet

2939
01:58:56,639 --> 01:59:00,400
our criteria. We put some guidelines

2940
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:04,800
towards them to redesign their plan and

2941
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:10,800
come back to meet zoning and other laws

2942
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:17,679
of Huffer. And this time under a new

2943
01:59:17,679 --> 01:59:20,719
I guess plan, they came back and shrunk

2944
01:59:20,719 --> 01:59:24,080
the store, added more houses,

2945
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:27,360
and I don't think it's right. If Smith

2946
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:29,440
wants to build, let Smith build on the

2947
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:32,239
corner. Let them foot the bill. Huffer

2948
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:34,639
can't afford to foot the bill. will be

2949
01:59:34,639 --> 01:59:38,000
the next one that sees a humongous

2950
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,880
property tax because our infrastructure

2951
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:44,719
can't handle this. Thanks.

2952
01:59:44,719 --> 01:59:47,599
>> Thank you.

2953
01:59:47,599 --> 01:59:58,310
>> Other system comments.

2954
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:00,960
» Okay. At this time, I'll entertain a

2955
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:04,159
motion to bring it back.

2956
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:07,679
A motion to close public comment.

2957
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:09,040
>> Second.

2958
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:10,000
>> I'll second.

2959
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:12,239
>> All right. Motion to close public

2960
02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:14,880
comment uh was made by Commissioner

2961
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:16,880
Denny, seconded by Commissioner Seven.

2962
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:18,080
All in favor?

2963
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:21,430
>> I

2964
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:25,599
um before we'll

2965
02:00:25,599 --> 02:00:28,400
bring Troy back up in just a second. So

2966
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,960
um

2967
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:35,199
we will another public hearing later to

2968
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:37,199
talk more about the developer agreement.

2969
02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:38,800
Right. So, I know that's a little messy,

2970
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:41,360
but I want to make sure everybody that

2971
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:43,280
wants to talk about this gets to talk

2972
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:47,440
about this. So, um

2973
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:50,320
Troy, do you want to come back up and

2974
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,320
talk about a couple of those items

2975
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:54,400
before we start a big conversation? If

2976
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,080
there's anything you not necessarily a

2977
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:57,360
rebuttal, but if there was anything in

2978
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:01,350
there that you want to address.

2979
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:04,560
Yeah, and much of the I think the big

2980
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:06,719
inst items were really related to the

2981
02:01:06,719 --> 02:01:11,360
MDA, so I'll just wait on those. Um the

2982
02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:12,800
there was some concerns about high

2983
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:15,920
density patio zones preferred. Uh just

2984
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:17,679
wanted to speak to that one. We're

2985
02:01:17,679 --> 02:01:20,320
looking for direction and that's this is

2986
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:22,560
the process. And so if the planning

2987
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:24,400
commission feels and there have been

2988
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:26,320
some who have said, you know, I'm not

2989
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:29,280
patio homes. So, in the interest of

2990
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:31,119
that, I drew what a patio home would

2991
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:33,119
look like and pattern adapters, some

2992
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:34,880
other p some patio homes that were

2993
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:36,719
referenced. We didn't take the time to

2994
02:01:36,719 --> 02:01:38,960
go through the whole thing because

2995
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:40,719
again, if the zone wasn't going to be

2996
02:01:40,719 --> 02:01:42,800
changed to patio homes, it wasn't worth

2997
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:44,560
taking the time and the expense to do

2998
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:46,320
that. And if the planning commission

2999
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:47,679
would like to forward a recommendation

3000
02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:49,760
for the patio homes and the senior

3001
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:51,599
housing, that kind of a thing to the

3002
02:01:51,599 --> 02:01:53,840
city council, we we'd be willing to

3003
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:56,719
entertain that. I think the interest is

3004
02:01:56,719 --> 02:01:58,400
to move this forward to the city

3005
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:00,960
council. Um, wanted to clarify the

3006
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:02,560
multi-tenant

3007
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:04,480
reference. Many of you, I'm sure, have

3008
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,639
been to a shopping center where you see

3009
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:10,239
that oftent times a building, many times

3010
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:13,119
referred to as a shell, is divided up

3011
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:16,320
into multiple tenants. And that's what

3012
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:18,880
that multi-tenant space is. It's a strip

3013
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:22,639
space, not an apartment building. Will

3014
02:02:22,639 --> 02:02:24,320
not function as an apartment building.

3015
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:27,040
Would not be resial. It's a commercial

3016
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:28,719
use in that location. Just wanted to

3017
02:02:28,719 --> 02:02:30,719
clarify that one. I think there was some

3018
02:02:30,719 --> 02:02:33,119
confusion by the word in reference to

3019
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:34,960
multi-tenant. That would be a

3020
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:37,679
multi-tenant commercial building and

3021
02:02:37,679 --> 02:02:39,280
nothing related to apartments or

3022
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:41,920
high-rise. There are no what would be

3023
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,639
referred to as apartments in this

3024
02:02:44,639 --> 02:02:46,800
development proposed. And I think that

3025
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:48,480
was clarified. I just wanted to restate

3026
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:52,880
it. Uh moving down a little bit, uh the

3027
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:55,840
in the R3 zone, the blue that was on the

3028
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:57,840
outside. Just a clarification, it could

3029
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,320
be easily done. It was said that it was

3030
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:02,960
13,000 maximum square foot on the lot.

3031
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:04,639
It's a minimum square footage on the

3032
02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:06,239
lot. Just wanted to clarify that for the

3033
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:08,159
folks in attendance.

3034
02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:10,400
And again, the others were density,

3035
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:12,159
participation in the station, those kind

3036
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:13,520
of things. I think the rest of those

3037
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:17,920
were associated with the MBA.

3038
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:19,840
>> Any questions for Troy before he gets

3039
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,920
comfortable?

3040
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:24,239
>> Yeah, Troy. So on those multi-tenants,

3041
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:26,000
just to clarify, we talked a lot in our

3042
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:30,239
work session about the commercial the anchor and the height and size of

3043
02:03:30,239 --> 02:03:33,520
the anchor. Do you have handy? I'm sure

3044
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:35,280
it's in my packet, but there's a lot in

3045
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:36,320
there, so I haven't gotten through it

3046
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:38,880
all. Is there what's the height of those

3047
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:41,119
multi-tenants size? Is there any kind of

3048
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:42,719
clarifications on those in there?

3049
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:45,119
>> They're in the same range. The current

3050
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:47,520
commercial the C2 zone within the city

3051
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:50,480
has a 50 foot maximum height. None of

3052
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:52,159
the buildings proposed were 50 feet

3053
02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:56,950
tall. I would dare say

3054
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:58,960
I don't want to overcommit, but less

3055
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:02,239
than 45 I'm certain of. Some buildings

3056
02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:03,840
have a little bit of a popup portion

3057
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:05,599
over the main entry, things like that.

3058
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:07,280
So, I don't want to overcommit, but the

3059
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:08,639
majority of the buildings look at more

3060
02:04:08,639 --> 02:04:10,800
than 30 ft. If you looked at just the

3061
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:12,480
flat planes of the roof, if there's some

3062
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:14,800
popups to create some architectural

3063
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:16,159
featuring, that might be a little

3064
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:18,480
different. Uh, I think we looked at the

3065
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:21,280
Smith building excuse me, I should say a

3066
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:24,480
ger anchor. They have not closed on the

3067
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:26,480
property. There really isn't anything in

3068
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:28,320
writing that says they're coming. They

3069
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:30,000
all they do they do have some interest

3070
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:32,159
in the property. Zoning would be a

3071
02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:35,440
critical part in that. Um but anyway,

3072
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:39,119
just to clarify, the heights here shown

3073
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:41,679
do not exceed that height in the zone.

3074
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:43,679
So hopefully there wouldn't be any

3075
02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:46,159
blockage of for those who live on the

3076
02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:48,080
west side sunrises and for those who

3077
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:50,239
live on the east side sunsets.

3078
02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:52,480
>> Then but the proposed housing that's in

3079
02:04:52,480 --> 02:04:53,840
there and Malcolm you might know this

3080
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:56,239
one as well. Any of the proposed housing

3081
02:04:56,239 --> 02:05:00,239
whether it be the cottages or

3082
02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:02,800
the single family or the town homes.

3083
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:04,800
None of those would exceed height of

3084
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:07,040
current limits. Correct. That we have in

3085
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:07,599
the city.

3086
02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:08,800
>> Correct. We're not asking for any

3087
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:10,719
deviations. I believe the height there

3088
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:14,709
is

3089
02:05:14,719 --> 02:05:15,119
what

3090
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:15,840
>> for the

3091
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:16,719
>> for residential

3092
02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:20,870
>> maximum height

3093
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:22,639
» I have it on another piece of paper I

3094
02:05:22,639 --> 02:05:28,310
can speak to that very

3095
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:33,750
max

3096
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:35,520
» there is a max in there I don't know off

3097
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:38,000
the top of my head but

3098
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:38,719
I'd like to remember

3099
02:05:38,719 --> 02:05:40,560
>> I'll be glad to look it up and speak to

3100
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:44,790
Thank you.

3101
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:46,480
» Can you pull that page back up, Malcolm?

3102
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:48,000
Does that have the heights on it? My

3103
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:49,920
eyes aren't good enough to even if

3104
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:52,320
someone could narrate that to me or help

3105
02:05:52,320 --> 02:06:02,070
me out here

3106
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:04,159
2210. And if I remember correctly, the

3107
02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:07,920
grocery anchor was 28 at the at the base

3108
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:11,520
level and the peaks were 3

3109
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:20,950
similar to

3110
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:22,639
I think one thing we should probably

3111
02:06:22,639 --> 02:06:24,239
talk about I'm sorry I make go back and

3112
02:06:24,239 --> 02:06:26,960
forth this is fun uh can you go back to

3113
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:32,000
the zoning uh page

3114
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:34,239
so what we kind of talk about is the

3115
02:06:34,239 --> 02:06:37,199
mixed use area so the kind of light

3116
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:40,000
green shade is the way it's written in

3117
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:41,679
the development here is it's kind of an

3118
02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:43,360
open book. They can they can do a lot of

3119
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:46,239
things and it's kind of

3120
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:48,719
what they want which is

3121
02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:50,079
it makes sense what they're asking for

3122
02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:52,960
because you kind of want the the market

3123
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:56,480
to drive. Um but I think we in our work

3124
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:59,360
session kind of talk about more of

3125
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:01,119
maybe let's let's have it clarified and

3126
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:03,440
say no it's it's either this or that.

3127
02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:05,040
And I think we're going to lead to more

3128
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:07,119
maybe more commercial which is kind of

3129
02:07:07,119 --> 02:07:09,520
what I'm maybe picking up from from

3130
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:10,880
residences, they don't necessarily want

3131
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:13,440
more density. They they're okay with

3132
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:14,800
commercial as long as it's kind of done

3133
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:17,199
in a in a good way, I think, as opposed

3134
02:07:17,199 --> 02:07:22,239
to a ton of density housing. Um, one

3135
02:07:22,239 --> 02:07:24,560
thing that I we kind of I mentioned is

3136
02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:26,239
if that ends up being commercial, so

3137
02:07:26,239 --> 02:07:28,320
along that whole west side, it would be

3138
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:30,480
commercial next to those existing homes,

3139
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:33,119
I would I want to see some type of an

3140
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:35,280
even bigger buffer than that's what than

3141
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:36,560
what is written in the development

3142
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:39,199
agreement. Um, as far, you know, set

3143
02:07:39,199 --> 02:07:41,599
backways, maybe have some trees, a

3144
02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:45,199
pathway, a nice fence, buffering the

3145
02:07:45,199 --> 02:07:47,280
homes to the commercial, not an

3146
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:50,400
alleyway, but just something like that.

3147
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:52,800
as opposed to just giving them a blank

3148
02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:55,840
check for the next use.

3149
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:57,920
>> Is that buffer zone? Is that an NDA

3150
02:07:57,920 --> 02:07:59,360
discussion or is that a zoning request

3151
02:07:59,360 --> 02:07:59,920
question?

3152
02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:02,320
>> Maybe a little bit of both.

3153
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:03,040
>> That's what I'm wondering.

3154
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:04,400
>> Yeah, I think more that's more of a

3155
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:10,550
development here, I think. Yes,

3156
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:16,079
» I I'll speak to the mixed use as well. I was able to speak to

3157
02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:20,239
I think four different um one mayor and

3158
02:08:20,239 --> 02:08:22,480
three city council members of of cities

3159
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:25,280
in the area in Davis and Weaver County

3160
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:28,000
and three of the four of them were

3161
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,159
pretty against mixed use because of the

3162
02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:33,760
open book nature of it and how it could

3163
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:35,520
potentially

3164
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:38,000
um not allow the city the flexibility to

3165
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:40,719
control their future um which is I think

3166
02:08:40,719 --> 02:08:41,840
something that we don't want to give

3167
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:44,079
away.

3168
02:08:44,079 --> 02:08:46,719
Um, the one that was a proponent of the

3169
02:08:46,719 --> 02:08:48,320
one city that was a proponent of mixed

3170
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:52,000
use I think is a different uh layout

3171
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:54,800
setup compared to us. It was I mean I'll

3172
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:56,239
be frank it was Leighton City. I think

3173
02:08:56,239 --> 02:08:57,840
that Leighton City is obviously quite a

3174
02:08:57,840 --> 02:08:59,199
bit different than Hooper City and I

3175
02:08:59,199 --> 02:09:00,800
don't think we want Hooper to turn into

3176
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:04,960
Leighton. Um, so I probably am also

3177
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:06,880
leaning towards more of a commercial

3178
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:09,760
element in there. And if the market

3179
02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:12,400
isn't driving that and they want to come

3180
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:14,320
back later and try to readjust, then

3181
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:16,639
that that that's their that's their

3182
02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:18,719
prerogative to try to do that at a later

3183
02:09:18,719 --> 02:09:21,440
date. But I like the ability to have

3184
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:23,040
more control of what our future looks

3185
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:24,800
like instead of having an open book that

3186
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:26,480
allows them the flexibility. I would

3187
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:28,079
rather retain the flexibility with

3188
02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:37,510
ourselves.

3189
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:39,360
Um, also at our work meeting, one of the

3190
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:40,800
things that I brought up that I'm just

3191
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:44,320
I'm not comfortable creating new zoning

3192
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:48,480
areas when I think that

3193
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:51,679
a project like this could fit in our

3194
02:09:51,679 --> 02:09:53,840
current zoning areas. There would be

3195
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:55,920
some modification obviously when we were

3196
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:58,560
talking about specifically our our code

3197
02:09:58,560 --> 02:10:01,119
right now allows for a certain amount of

3198
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:03,360
units mixed together which I think you

3199
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:06,159
stated was four

3200
02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:10,159
instead of like six. So in our PUB zone

3201
02:10:10,159 --> 02:10:12,960
the permits for four attached units at

3202
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:16,079
the maximum in a PUB zone.

3203
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:17,679
And something else we discussed about

3204
02:10:17,679 --> 02:10:19,440
that and this is probably for

3205
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:22,079
everybody's benefit is the PUB zone was

3206
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:23,599
created but we've never used it in

3207
02:10:23,599 --> 02:10:26,639
Hopper ever. So it's it's never been

3208
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:29,760
applied to anything. So um this would be

3209
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,520
if that were to go through this would be

3210
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:35,280
the first development to use that

3211
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:39,750
existing zone.

3212
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:42,719
What are you guys' thoughts around that

3213
02:10:42,719 --> 02:10:46,800
piece? Adding different zoning

3214
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:49,040
I think in reality when this first

3215
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:51,840
started the north

3216
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:54,800
section of that light blue was halfacre

3217
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:56,960
lots.

3218
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:00,480
It sounds like over the course of two

3219
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:04,079
years we've kind of caved to third acre

3220
02:11:04,079 --> 02:11:08,550
lots.

3221
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:10,960
I don't think we need to give away our

3222
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:14,159
frontage requirement of 100 ft down to

3223
02:11:14,159 --> 02:11:15,760
85.

3224
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:18,400
I'm not comfortable with the high

3225
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:22,960
density being six plus. I think four is

3226
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:24,719
max.

3227
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:26,639
I just

3228
02:11:26,639 --> 02:11:29,679
if we're going to fit this into city and

3229
02:11:29,679 --> 02:11:32,560
what city wants.

3230
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:34,960
I'm all for the commercial, but I think

3231
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:37,520
we need to be very the way it's written

3232
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:40,800
now. I can't get behind the current

3233
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:44,239
zoning request of

3234
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:48,000
15,000 square ft 85 foot frontage

3235
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:52,639
instead of our 100 or the cottage lots

3236
02:11:52,639 --> 02:11:55,119
of 6500. You know what I mean? There's

3237
02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:57,679
just no

3238
02:11:57,679 --> 02:12:00,159
I think this could

3239
02:12:00,159 --> 02:12:03,920
Let's be honest. He's going to sell the

3240
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:06,320
residential portion of this to somebody

3241
02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:09,760
else and he's more worried about the

3242
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:11,280
commercial. So, let's bring in the

3243
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:15,520
commercial but um keep our current

3244
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:18,000
zoning, if you will,

3245
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:20,320
on the residential.

3246
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:22,880
That's just my thought.

3247
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,360
>> So, you're saying like R1 or

3248
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:28,239
>> No, I'm okay with going the I'm okay

3249
02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:30,800
with going the R3 on the north and the

3250
02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:33,599
west. Give them that much, but I just

3251
02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:36,880
have a lot of heartache with

3252
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:41,920
this the six plex or the six unit. I

3253
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:44,159
think we could get 50 or four. Yeah,

3254
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:46,800
that's going to take some that's going

3255
02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:48,960
to take some houses away. But I've never

3256
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:51,760
heard I've always heard on developers

3257
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:54,560
when they do these big projects, it's

3258
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:56,639
like, okay, so how many doors do you

3259
02:12:56,639 --> 02:12:59,920
need to fill to make this break even?

3260
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:03,440
You know, and it's usually 65 70%. Well,

3261
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:06,239
this is a ton more. I think we can scale

3262
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:08,639
back the residential

3263
02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:12,079
and not sell away the resial. I don't

3264
02:13:12,079 --> 02:13:15,360
agree with the little bit of open space

3265
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:18,480
and trying to incorporate the

3266
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:20,719
landscaping and the frontage of the

3267
02:13:20,719 --> 02:13:22,800
commercial and different things like

3268
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:24,800
that. I think we're selling ourselves

3269
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:29,360
short if we give up some open space.

3270
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:30,960
>> So when we talk about the open space

3271
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:32,960
piece currently in our code for the PUB

3272
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:36,719
area it would be 40% open. What's the

3273
02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:39,520
right number to consider?

3274
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:41,119
>> 40%

3275
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:41,840
Okay.

3276
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:43,760
>> In my opinion,

3277
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:44,719
but

3278
02:13:44,719 --> 02:13:45,599
>> I'm only one

3279
02:13:45,599 --> 02:13:47,520
>> and that includes landscaping and

3280
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:50,159
everything in that 40%. The code is

3281
02:13:50,159 --> 02:13:53,599
written right now.

3282
02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:55,280
>> 40% what

3283
02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:58,239
>> the landscaping areas, the pathway, all

3284
02:13:58,239 --> 02:13:59,679
that is included in open space

3285
02:13:59,679 --> 02:14:00,960
consideration. The 40%

3286
02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:03,119
>> front front yards, backyards, like I

3287
02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:04,560
guess that's already I would like to

3288
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:08,000
clarify the 40% because it's quite a bit

3289
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:09,920
and but

3290
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:12,320
Is it only does it 40% have to be just

3291
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:14,560
one big park or yes every single front

3292
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:15,280
yard

3293
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:17,360
>> all the code states that exclude the

3294
02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:19,920
roadways and infrastructure

3295
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:22,400
housing and the house itself structures

3296
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:24,400
so I assume it includes everything we

3297
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:27,360
only ever apply 40% open space to one

3298
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:28,960
development

3299
02:14:28,960 --> 02:14:32,000
55 plus community

3300
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:33,280
you know we'd have to grab our engineer

3301
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:35,920
and have them look it over the country

3302
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:38,560
view as 40% open space without yards

3303
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:42,079
included in that ratio. They have a

3304
02:14:42,079 --> 02:14:44,560
pickle ball court and playground in the

3305
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:48,000
corner. I don't have to pay 40% out

3306
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:50,239
including their their front and rear

3307
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:53,679
yards in that ratio, but I can't be sure

3308
02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:56,000
that we have

3309
02:14:56,000 --> 02:15:00,560
like where you guys real

3310
02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:02,320
available to us. You can define it for

3311
02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:04,480
this instance

3312
02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:06,719
40% what the code recommends and that's

3313
02:15:06,719 --> 02:15:08,320
up for a little bit. That's how I

3314
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:09,520
interpret it and I think that's how it

3315
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:11,280
was applied in the past was that it

3316
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:13,360
excluded road structures but I think it

3317
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:17,840
included grass you know home landscape.

3318
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:19,679
>> I think I think there was also something

3319
02:15:19,679 --> 02:15:23,199
in that MDA that talked about wanting to

3320
02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:26,320
take out the impervious surface down

3321
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:32,560
from our 65% to was it like 30. They're

3322
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:36,880
taking surface from 65% to 70%.

3323
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:41,280
increasing the so 5% more concrete as

3324
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:41,840
well.

3325
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:43,199
>> No, I think you're right. Let me double

3326
02:15:43,199 --> 02:15:44,560
check that.

3327
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:46,719
>> While he's looking at that piece, I one

3328
02:15:46,719 --> 02:15:49,199
thing that I we brought up in the work

3329
02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:51,520
meeting as well and that I was concerned

3330
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:54,400
with is that, you know, if we set the

3331
02:15:54,400 --> 02:15:56,079
standards for a percentage of open

3332
02:15:56,079 --> 02:15:58,639
space, what would prevent them after the

3333
02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:00,079
homes are built and homeowners are in

3334
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:01,679
there from fencing off their individual

3335
02:16:01,679 --> 02:16:03,599
properties? that was addressed the HOA

3336
02:16:03,599 --> 02:16:05,360
and CCRs

3337
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:07,760
would prevent that. So it would always

3338
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:10,239
be open space and then not fenced

3339
02:16:10,239 --> 02:16:12,000
between the properties. Obviously behind

3340
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:13,520
the properties and stuff like that they

3341
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:16,320
could fence but not in between any of

3342
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:22,790
the individual properties.

3343
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:25,520
One of the things I would mention is

3344
02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:29,360
so I agree uh that we should probably

3345
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:32,160
try to use the existing

3346
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:34,080
zones that we have in the in our general

3347
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:38,080
plan and in our right now. Um, so I like

3348
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:39,840
to keep Yeah. do the commercial with the

3349
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:43,280
C2 up front. Um, and then do the PUB

3350
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:44,559
about after you answer the question

3351
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:47,359
you're about to answer. Could you remind

3352
02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:48,960
everyone or let everyone know what the

3353
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:52,080
density is for our PV, what the max

3354
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:53,439
density is for PV?

3355
02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:55,920
>> Yes. So the way this MBA reads is he

3356
02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:57,760
states we have to pull our code

3357
02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:01,760
confidence. It says 65% maximum surface

3358
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:04,000
the maximum surface being recommended

3359
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:07,040
here shall not exceed 70%. So it would

3360
02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:08,880
increase the amount of surface that can

3361
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:12,080
be by 5%.

3362
02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:17,200
The max the highest level density per

3363
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:20,000
zone is six units to the acre and that

3364
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:22,319
zone specifically that we

3365
02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:24,160
>> so six to the acre and then what did we

3366
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:26,545
say that they were if it was to

3367
02:17:26,545 --> 02:17:28,080
[clears throat] follow this map what

3368
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:31,120
would be the density for the crossing

3369
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:33,599
plan or the yellow space

3370
02:17:33,599 --> 02:17:35,840
>> 4.2

3371
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:39,349
4.56

3372
02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:41,840
» the whole res that's without including

3373
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:44,000
the 28 units that

3374
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:48,160
>> that's all the the top half essentially.

3375
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:51,920
So really the code can go for more six

3376
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:54,719
units to the acre as what he's calling

3377
02:17:54,719 --> 02:17:58,080
now. It's less than that.

3378
02:17:58,080 --> 02:17:59,439
>> But obviously that could change if we

3379
02:17:59,439 --> 02:18:01,599
were to say no you need to get closer to

3380
02:18:01,599 --> 02:18:03,599
40% open space because right now we're

3381
02:18:03,599 --> 02:18:06,000
saying it's only about 11 maybe more

3382
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:08,319
with taking out roads.

3383
02:18:08,319 --> 02:18:11,085
So that number could even go down more.

3384
02:18:11,085 --> 02:18:14,469
[clears throat]

3385
02:18:14,479 --> 02:18:17,519
One thing with the zoning, Nick or Troy,

3386
02:18:17,519 --> 02:18:20,479
feel to try and feel free to clarify,

3387
02:18:20,479 --> 02:18:23,760
but I development as I read through the

3388
02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:25,920
development agreement

3389
02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:27,760
A and look through the development

3390
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:30,399
agreement does feel complicated, but I

3391
02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:32,479
think the developers attempt here was to

3392
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:35,040
create categories as they're listed

3393
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:37,040
there on that zoning map that house

3394
02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:39,920
zones that we have. So when you zone it,

3395
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:42,000
you could zone it to our zones that are

3396
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:45,679
underlining that with supportifications

3397
02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:48,960
to the zones. So I see I understand that

3398
02:18:48,960 --> 02:18:51,679
there's a crossing plan residential or

3399
02:18:51,679 --> 02:18:55,439
that's a zone with modifications in the

3400
02:18:55,439 --> 02:18:58,240
right

3401
02:18:58,240 --> 02:19:01,359
or the modified high density res. That's

3402
02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:04,559
an R3 zone with an 85

3403
02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:07,910
right

3404
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:09,840
with

3405
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:12,160
because modifying the zones to

3406
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:15,760
accommodation. So the commercial C2 with

3407
02:19:15,760 --> 02:19:18,880
any modifications that are affecting our

3408
02:19:18,880 --> 02:19:22,000
C2 zone. So

3409
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:23,519
that's how I understand it.

3410
02:19:23,519 --> 02:19:26,319
>> Yeah, that's a good good summary of how

3411
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:28,319
I read it as well.

3412
02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:31,040
>> So I I just because I am a simple

3413
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:33,840
creature, I just I want to make this

3414
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:38,639
100% clear that we're We're we are

3415
02:19:38,639 --> 02:19:42,319
discussing first a reszoning request and

3416
02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:44,479
general plan amendment.

3417
02:19:44,479 --> 02:19:46,880
If that goes through at that point we

3418
02:19:46,880 --> 02:19:48,880
would be doing a recommendation on the

3419
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:51,520
FDA. Correct.

3420
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:53,760
>> Yeah. I think what the developer would

3421
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:56,960
like is to have a decision tonight. Uh

3422
02:19:56,960 --> 02:19:58,399
we've tabled this and I don't think

3423
02:19:58,399 --> 02:20:00,720
there's any animosity on either side,

3424
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:03,040
but we've tabled this several times to

3425
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:06,080
consider it more. And I think uh my

3426
02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:08,080
understanding put words in the dollar's

3427
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:10,160
mouth, but they've kind of explored this

3428
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:12,560
and they'd like to know generally what's

3429
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:15,200
going to happen. So, if we approve or

3430
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:18,240
deny the resell request, then I think we

3431
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:20,319
should take similar action and it could

3432
02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:21,359
be the different action. You could

3433
02:20:21,359 --> 02:20:23,439
approve one, deny one, deny one, approve

3434
02:20:23,439 --> 02:20:26,160
the other, whatever. But, uh, I don't

3435
02:20:26,160 --> 02:20:28,240
think we want to table one of the items

3436
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:31,120
tonight. I think in speaking to the

3437
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:33,280
developer, they would prefer to have

3438
02:20:33,280 --> 02:20:36,479
candidly both items denied. And I'll let

3439
02:20:36,479 --> 02:20:38,240
speak to that if you'd like, but that

3440
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:42,240
allows him that them the chance to

3441
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:44,080
evaluate what they want to do and they

3442
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:46,240
can still take it to council with the

3443
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:48,479
recommendation of denial or they could

3444
02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:50,000
go back to the drawing board. But that's

3445
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:52,000
what I think they'd like to do.

3446
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:54,240
>> Okay. Because I Yeah, again, that

3447
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:56,000
developer agreement, it's big and it's

3448
02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:58,880
there's a lot of stuff in there that we

3449
02:20:58,880 --> 02:21:01,520
haven't even discussed. So for us to

3450
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:06,070
just summarily

3451
02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:08,160
approve, I mean obviously we could just

3452
02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:10,399
be making recommendations and then the

3453
02:21:10,399 --> 02:21:11,760
council would have to look at that as

3454
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:14,800
well. But I'm I'm not prepared to

3455
02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:19,520
approve every single line item in that

3456
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:21,359
is a a lot of that. I don't want to say

3457
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:23,040
it's above my pay grade, but it's above.

3458
02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:24,720
I I know nothing about commercial

3459
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:26,800
lighting. I don't you know I don't think

3460
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:28,880
it's fair to just thumbs up everything

3461
02:21:28,880 --> 02:21:31,040
that's in there.

3462
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:33,920
Yeah, I mean that's a a valid concern.

3463
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:37,040
Um I think that uh that's one of the

3464
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:39,840
reasons that we have Malcolm on staff is

3465
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:41,600
to look at those things and I think he

3466
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:43,680
can address those and I mean I'm happy

3467
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:47,920
to to address those as well. But um

3468
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:49,439
I mean if if you're not comfortable with

3469
02:21:49,439 --> 02:21:51,439
it then I think what the developer is

3470
02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:53,600
asking for tonight is if you're not

3471
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:55,680
comfortable then

3472
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:58,160
recommend a denial. Um I think that

3473
02:21:58,160 --> 02:22:01,040
would be preferable. I I think the

3474
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:02,720
developer obviously wants it to be a

3475
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:05,200
recommendation of approval, but I think

3476
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:07,920
that's where

3477
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:10,080
>> that's as we recommend or deny it and

3478
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:11,760
we're allowed to put conditions on it

3479
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:13,439
obviously.

3480
02:22:13,439 --> 02:22:15,040
>> Yeah. Hey, can one of those conditions

3481
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:17,439
be that like could we recommend a

3482
02:22:17,439 --> 02:22:19,760
condition of having a joint city council

3483
02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:21,920
planning commission work session that

3484
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:24,720
allows us to more deeply go into our

3485
02:22:24,720 --> 02:22:26,720
concerns about the MDA or the zoning

3486
02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:29,200
together as a larger group to then talk

3487
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:31,600
through some of the intricacies that we

3488
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:34,160
don't fully understand or is that not

3489
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:36,479
>> Yeah, I want to be clear on how I answer

3490
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:38,000
that because I don't want to mislead

3491
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:40,160
you. You could recommend whatever you'd

3492
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:43,280
like. Um, I'm not I'm not trying to be

3493
02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:45,200
flippant with that comment. You can

3494
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:47,120
recommend to the council whatever you'd

3495
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:48,880
like and then it becomes the council's

3496
02:22:48,880 --> 02:22:51,920
decision um as as the chief legislative

3497
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:54,960
body in the city. Uh they now I'm not

3498
02:22:54,960 --> 02:22:56,720
the council is very receptive and then

3499
02:22:56,720 --> 02:22:58,800
they might very well want to do that but

3500
02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:00,880
I don't want to say yeah you can do that

3501
02:23:00,880 --> 02:23:03,120
and then everybody here thinks there's

3502
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:05,040
going to be a joint meeting and for sure

3503
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:07,040
we're going to do this. I want to be

3504
02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:09,040
very clear. Of course, of course the

3505
02:23:09,040 --> 02:23:10,960
council takes what your recommendations

3506
02:23:10,960 --> 02:23:13,280
are very seriously and considers them

3507
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:15,359
very seriously, but but they're not

3508
02:23:15,359 --> 02:23:18,479
required to follow that.

3509
02:23:18,479 --> 02:23:20,479
So I think at least for this first

3510
02:23:20,479 --> 02:23:22,240
portion on the reszone and the general

3511
02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:25,200
plan amendment

3512
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:28,479
I I would feel comfortable make the

3513
02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:31,920
motion to to maybe um

3514
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:33,840
give a recreational approval with the

3515
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:35,520
kind of changes we talked about as far

3516
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:38,000
as get rid of the mixed use.

3517
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:41,200
um maybe just really come close to

3518
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:42,880
following what our existing ordinances

3519
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:46,800
say. Um I hope we're doing that and then

3520
02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:48,640
you know send that portion to the city

3521
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:51,680
council and then I I kind of agree uh

3522
02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:54,640
with Travis here about the NDA that's

3523
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:56,960
that'll be a different thing but I I

3524
02:23:56,960 --> 02:23:58,319
feel comfortable making recommendation

3525
02:23:58,319 --> 02:24:01,520
approval for the reszone and general

3526
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:03,600
plan amendment with kind of those

3527
02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:05,200
things.

3528
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:06,960
>> Yeah.

3529
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:09,040
Commission just so that I think I

3530
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:10,720
followed the conversation but just so we

3531
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:13,280
have clear minutes and clear direction.

3532
02:24:13,280 --> 02:24:16,000
So I think the motion is to it's a

3533
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:17,359
motion to

3534
02:24:17,359 --> 02:24:18,560
>> I don't know if it was a motion yet.

3535
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:19,439
>> Okay.

3536
02:24:19,439 --> 02:24:21,680
>> Yeah. I said I'd be comfortable doing

3537
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:24,960
that putting his toes in the water.

3538
02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:26,960
>> Can I uh can I add a little bit of

3539
02:24:26,960 --> 02:24:29,280
context just quickly? I wanted to wrap

3540
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:30,880
up the public comment. I believe we have

3541
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:32,720
one public comment that you maybe fully

3542
02:24:32,720 --> 02:24:35,600
addressed and uh I didn't give a great

3543
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:38,080
the allowed uses. You guys have asked

3544
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:40,560
for that. I don't see any allowed uses

3545
02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:42,160
contemplated

3546
02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:43,520
related to that. I just wanted to pull

3547
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:46,960
it up, put it out in front of you guys,

3548
02:24:46,960 --> 02:24:48,399
but you kind of

3549
02:24:48,399 --> 02:24:50,399
>> This is for commercial for C2.

3550
02:24:50,399 --> 02:24:54,240
>> This is for us commercial base. C1 and

3551
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:57,200
C2. P is a permitted use. A is an

3552
02:24:57,200 --> 02:24:58,880
accessory use. And C would be a

3553
02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:01,280
conditional use. But anyway, you kind of

3554
02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:03,040
see the types of uses. You guys have

3555
02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:04,080
seen this before. I don't want to take

3556
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:06,479
too much time. I did prior to the

3557
02:25:06,479 --> 02:25:08,399
meeting there there are some in the NBA

3558
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:10,080
that are called out as not being

3559
02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:12,000
permitted. I wanted to register by the

3560
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:13,760
planning commission that additionally

3561
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:16,479
sparked the thought in my mind I don't

3562
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:20,240
want to uh you know unintentionally have

3563
02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:22,160
permitted use that you don't want in

3564
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:24,479
zone. So a couple of those that stuck

3565
02:25:24,479 --> 02:25:26,319
out to me beyond what's listed because

3566
02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:28,319
they did that the developer also add

3567
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:30,240
some they don't want and we know that

3568
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:31,600
for their development they don't want

3569
02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:33,280
these. Um, but that being said, a couple

3570
02:25:33,280 --> 02:25:35,680
in ours that are conditional and or

3571
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:38,319
permitted are a bar, group, or

3572
02:25:38,319 --> 02:25:40,000
nightclub. It would be kind of a

3573
02:25:40,000 --> 02:25:41,760
discussion for those can be added to the

3574
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:43,920
NBA. There are some added already. Not

3575
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:46,640
allowed, but we have bar nightclub.

3576
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:48,800
Contractor yard or shop is a conditional

3577
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:50,720
use. I don't feel that really applicable

3578
02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:52,720
for this development. A cremator is a

3579
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:55,680
conditional use. Hotel or motel, not

3580
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:58,399
sure about that one. Channel commercial,

3581
02:25:58,399 --> 02:26:00,880
I don't know. Um, off street parking

3582
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:02,800
facility. We had an inconsequential one

3583
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:04,560
of those in town that I don't think we

3584
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:07,680
want here per say storage facility self

3585
02:26:07,680 --> 02:26:09,920
service that was important to identify

3586
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:12,080
as a use that we may want to put a bit

3587
02:26:12,080 --> 02:26:14,080
in the zone as part of an NBA and a

3588
02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:16,000
tower or antenna structure. Those are

3589
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:19,040
some of the ones that stood out to me as

3590
02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:21,200
potential uses that might not fit in

3591
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:23,439
that area as it relates to this

3592
02:26:23,439 --> 02:26:24,880
development agreement. want to include

3593
02:26:24,880 --> 02:26:27,120
those in the law that's already

3594
02:26:27,120 --> 02:26:27,520
provided,

3595
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:30,000
>> but that would be after we decide how

3596
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:31,120
we're going to do the zoning.

3597
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:32,880
>> Yeah. I just want to make sure we allow

3598
02:26:32,880 --> 02:26:34,560
us

3599
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:37,840
permitted in the zone to wrap up inquiry

3600
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:45,750
of any I don't see anything in here

3601
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:51,270
or not. But again, that's

3602
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:55,030
good thought.

3603
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:56,800
One one point of clarification too

3604
02:26:56,800 --> 02:26:59,359
because uh several of the citizens have

3605
02:26:59,359 --> 02:27:00,880
mentioned it and then obviously we've

3606
02:27:00,880 --> 02:27:03,680
heard through other means as well is a

3607
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:08,000
discussion around the sewer. That's big. Um in the developer

3608
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:09,760
agreement they changed the language in

3609
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:13,680
there now. So the original language was

3610
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:16,080
that it was going to pretty much fall on

3611
02:27:16,080 --> 02:27:19,439
the city to secure financing go there.

3612
02:27:19,439 --> 02:27:21,040
They changed the language since in the

3613
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:24,080
developer agreement. Now that what how

3614
02:27:24,080 --> 02:27:26,080
does it read now?

3615
02:27:26,080 --> 02:27:29,200
>> We consulted with the city council had

3616
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:31,359
created an economic policy right as it

3617
02:27:31,359 --> 02:27:33,280
relates to taxment financing. We

3618
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:34,640
consulted with those consultants and

3619
02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:37,840
they revised the language and you'd have

3620
02:27:37,840 --> 02:27:39,439
to read through it specifically and it

3621
02:27:39,439 --> 02:27:41,359
is complex. I don't act like but the way

3622
02:27:41,359 --> 02:27:42,800
I understand it and the way that you

3623
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:44,240
know we've deferred to these consultants

3624
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:46,800
helps that it

3625
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:48,080
defers you know it requires the

3626
02:27:48,080 --> 02:27:49,840
developer to responsible for their

3627
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:52,160
portion. It does explicitly contemplate

3628
02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:54,560
system improvements versus development

3629
02:27:54,560 --> 02:27:56,399
um specific improvements. Those system

3630
02:27:56,399 --> 02:27:59,120
improvements could be eligible for

3631
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:00,800
different financing mechanisms as

3632
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:02,560
mentioned in a public comment and one of

3633
02:28:02,560 --> 02:28:04,640
those specifically is spelled out as a

3634
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:06,880
list station or regional list station.

3635
02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:09,040
Um but it that will be done in a

3636
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:11,520
separate agreement as part of city

3637
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:13,120
council approvals.

3638
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:14,720
>> So that's a completely separate issue at

3639
02:28:14,720 --> 02:28:15,600
this point.

3640
02:28:15,600 --> 02:28:18,720
>> It would become a separate issue. Yeah.

3641
02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:20,080
as long as that's how Nick understands

3642
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:22,479
it as well has been provided from the

3643
02:28:22,479 --> 02:28:26,960
from Cody and his partner Rob.

3644
02:28:26,960 --> 02:28:28,479
>> Yeah, just that's my understanding as

3645
02:28:28,479 --> 02:28:32,240
well that be contemplating a separate

3646
02:28:32,240 --> 02:28:33,680
>> um one of the other pieces that we

3647
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:36,399
talked about too

3648
02:28:36,399 --> 02:28:38,640
whether this would go into the developer

3649
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:40,240
agreement portion of the conversation of

3650
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:42,960
the reszone was max number of houses in

3651
02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:44,399
the development. So I know what's

3652
02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:46,880
currently listed on that sheet, but if

3653
02:28:46,880 --> 02:28:50,240
we want to recommend a maximum number,

3654
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:52,240
so that because obviously that's not

3655
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:54,000
100% set in stone. They're going to make

3656
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:56,800
some changes to it. Is that something

3657
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:58,080
that we probably want as a

3658
02:28:58,080 --> 02:28:59,280
recommendation in the developer

3659
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:00,720
agreement?

3660
02:29:00,720 --> 02:29:01,280
>> Yes.

3661
02:29:01,280 --> 02:29:04,800
>> Not the zoning.

3662
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:07,120
>> Yeah. The the uh I think to be clear,

3663
02:29:07,120 --> 02:29:08,560
the way this came to you guys might not

3664
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:09,920
have been totally fair and it probably

3665
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:12,479
just came to be palatable. This all

3666
02:29:12,479 --> 02:29:14,960
these will be zipping into a DA at some

3667
02:29:14,960 --> 02:29:16,960
point. It's just when you you know it's

3668
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:20,000
summer landscape center. So all the all

3669
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:21,920
these will be part so that will be part

3670
02:29:21,920 --> 02:29:25,600
of right. So the number of units you

3671
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:27,120
want to be explicitly clear that the

3672
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:29,200
number of units or whatever density is

3673
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:31,120
getting

3674
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:32,960
illustrated and the picture is

3675
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:35,120
appropriate because even if it's not

3676
02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:36,720
explicitly called out in the development

3677
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:39,359
agreement is here at an exhibit that

3678
02:29:39,359 --> 02:29:40,880
does spell out the number of units.

3679
02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:42,720
right now as it stands the number of

3680
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:44,000
units that we talked about,

3681
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:46,080
>> but that's also that could also change

3682
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:48,319
and probably go down a little bit based

3683
02:29:48,319 --> 02:29:50,960
on our discussions about not changing

3684
02:29:50,960 --> 02:29:53,200
some of the

3685
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:54,960
use codes, right? So, if we stuck with

3686
02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:57,040
RPU code and didn't allow for a change

3687
02:29:57,040 --> 02:29:59,280
to that, that would take any of those

3688
02:29:59,280 --> 02:30:02,560
six unit pieces down to four. It would

3689
02:30:02,560 --> 02:30:04,160
and then it would be kind of back to the

3690
02:30:04,160 --> 02:30:07,760
drawing table for the AWA team. And if

3691
02:30:07,760 --> 02:30:09,280
they, you know, you given them this

3692
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:14,870
number squeeze back as it relates to

3693
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:23,349
I don't know that's a good question.

3694
02:30:23,359 --> 02:30:25,840
So I'm trying to build notes here. So

3695
02:30:25,840 --> 02:30:28,319
the first thing we talk about a possible

3696
02:30:28,319 --> 02:30:30,240
motion would be to eliminate the mixed

3697
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:33,670
use

3698
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:37,120
follow our ordinances as they stand with

3699
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:38,640
the

3700
02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:40,319
C2

3701
02:30:40,319 --> 02:30:43,760
R2 and R3 zones

3702
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:45,920
respect the frontage

3703
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:48,240
that we currently have. Is that what you

3704
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:50,960
brought up?

3705
02:30:50,960 --> 02:30:52,720
>> That

3706
02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:56,000
portion would be in the though,

3707
02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:58,800
>> right? At least the project portion

3708
02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:11,349
>> would be in the

3709
02:31:11,359 --> 02:31:12,640
And if you wanted to reduce the number

3710
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:14,640
of units, I would probably try to do I

3711
02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:16,560
understand where your logic might want

3712
02:31:16,560 --> 02:31:20,240
to be section be explicitly clear this

3713
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:23,040
number of units as opposed to hoping

3714
02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:28,000
that the front will try

3715
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:30,720
this number of units acceptable to then

3716
02:31:30,720 --> 02:31:33,760
make that tie to the front. But I'm not

3717
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:36,160
sure that the I don't know.

3718
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:38,240
the furniture. It seems to reduce the

3719
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:45,429
number of units.

3720
02:31:45,439 --> 02:31:47,520
» I mean, this look, this is a really big

3721
02:31:47,520 --> 02:31:50,080
project for Hook. I was I was looking

3722
02:31:50,080 --> 02:31:53,200
this up to just kind of scale this. So,

3723
02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:57,840
Hooker City is about 26 square miles,

3724
02:31:57,840 --> 02:32:02,800
which is about almost 17,000 acres in

3725
02:32:02,800 --> 02:32:05,120
Hooker.

3726
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:07,680
We're talking about 35

3727
02:32:07,680 --> 02:32:09,680
right in that neighborhood.

3728
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:13,439
>> I know it's overall relative.

3729
02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:16,240
>> Yeah. Plus the with the commercial.

3730
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:19,750
>> Um

3731
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:21,600
what else we want to talk about with the

3732
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:24,080
ordinances

3733
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:26,479
with the zoning?

3734
02:32:26,479 --> 02:32:28,000
>> Yeah, I think if we're going to stick to

3735
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:31,359
our zoning as currently permitted, then

3736
02:32:31,359 --> 02:32:33,760
the green space is a big part of that.

3737
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:48,469
There's open space.

3738
02:32:48,479 --> 02:32:51,920
» Malcolm, the the development here, the

3739
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:54,000
55 and whatever it is and older, that's

3740
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:56,640
a that's patio. That's known as patio,

3741
02:32:56,640 --> 02:32:57,840
not PV. Correct.

3742
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:01,439
>> Yeah, it's part of a patio, I believe.

3743
02:33:01,439 --> 02:33:04,080
What's the what's the density for that?

3744
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:08,960
>> It's also 6 to the acre. It has some MHD

3745
02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:11,600
moderate housing MH housing income

3746
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:14,160
component to it where they actually go.

3747
02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:16,479
I don't know if that's practical, but

3748
02:33:16,479 --> 02:33:19,040
there

3749
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:20,960
I'm not sure what they did there. I

3750
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:23,920
wasn't around, but they're dense. Homes

3751
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:28,240
are they're very similar. cluster,

3752
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:30,080
not the ones on private strips, but they

3753
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:31,040
look similar.

3754
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:34,080
>> That's what I ask you. What's is

3755
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:35,760
maybe don't know. What's the main

3756
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:37,520
difference between the patio zone and

3757
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:40,960
the PU zone?

3758
02:33:40,960 --> 02:33:43,600
>> Good question. They're quite similar in

3759
02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:46,000
the standards and the zoning, the

3760
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:48,160
density. I think it's the intent of the

3761
02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:51,280
uh what you're trying to attract, right?

3762
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:53,840
patios. I think they both kind of spell

3763
02:33:53,840 --> 02:33:57,520
out to be frank. They don't really

3764
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:00,479
have to kind of scan through.

3765
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:03,200
>> Is there a potential that the patio zone

3766
02:34:03,200 --> 02:34:06,160
limits heights at a crater? Like are

3767
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:08,319
they are they not as high potentially? I

3768
02:34:08,319 --> 02:34:18,630
don't believe so.

3769
02:34:18,640 --> 02:34:19,920
That's kind of one of the things that

3770
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:21,200
like if we're going to just debate

3771
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:24,000
between a patio home versus a townhouse,

3772
02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:25,359
you know, generally I would think that

3773
02:34:25,359 --> 02:34:27,359
the height would be smaller. I mean,

3774
02:34:27,359 --> 02:34:29,680
just maybe that's a misconception of

3775
02:34:29,680 --> 02:34:33,359
mine, but I agree that some of my

3776
02:34:33,359 --> 02:34:36,399
concerns are heights and taking away

3777
02:34:36,399 --> 02:34:39,200
visibility from roadways, from current

3778
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:42,000
residents, from new residents.

3779
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:43,680
So that would be some of my concerns and

3780
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:45,359
that's you I mean everyone's kind of

3781
02:34:45,359 --> 02:34:46,880
heard me focus on heights quite a bit

3782
02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:48,240
because I think that changes the

3783
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:50,960
landscape of an area great at a at a

3784
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:53,120
faster rate than even density might like

3785
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:55,760
density is important also but I think

3786
02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:57,920
how the overall height layout can really

3787
02:34:57,920 --> 02:35:01,680
contribute to like how how a general

3788
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:03,920
development is is pictured from the

3789
02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:11,110
outside in and from the inside out

3790
02:35:11,120 --> 02:35:14,240
think A great question.

3791
02:35:14,240 --> 02:35:15,680
If I could pull it up in the general

3792
02:35:15,680 --> 02:35:20,710
plan here,

3793
02:35:20,720 --> 02:35:31,910
you know, it's small. Here you go.

3794
02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:34,720
We're patio zone. As you can see, we

3795
02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:37,200
have 10 patio zone in use. I'm guessing

3796
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:50,710
that's country view. and

3797
02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:52,800
so it's in use but according to that we

3798
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:54,880
it's not in our code anymore

3799
02:35:54,880 --> 02:36:04,469
>> according to this okay

3800
02:36:04,479 --> 02:36:21,270
» it's the same 40% broken space and

3801
02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:23,439
» I want to say they can be attached to up

3802
02:36:23,439 --> 02:36:29,990
to four.

3803
02:36:30,000 --> 02:36:31,920
» I think I think one of the major

3804
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:33,760
differences is you know the product and

3805
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:35,600
the

3806
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:39,600
end user value you're probably trying to

3807
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:41,359
communities and something of that nature

3808
02:36:41,359 --> 02:36:47,920
where the more concept homes

3809
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:52,000
that might attract you know other maybe

3810
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:54,399
more younger families etc.

3811
02:36:54,399 --> 02:36:56,160
>> So very similar in essence but maybe

3812
02:36:56,160 --> 02:36:58,000
like CCNR restrictions or other things

3813
02:36:58,000 --> 02:36:59,359
in the development agreement might

3814
02:36:59,359 --> 02:37:01,439
change depending on the zones because of

3815
02:37:01,439 --> 02:37:06,870
who you're attracting.

3816
02:37:06,880 --> 02:37:10,560
So in our plan

3817
02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:12,720
with patio zone [sighs]

3818
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:15,680
within reasonable exception

3819
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:18,720
a minimum of 10 acres and a maximum of

3820
02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:21,840
20 acres is required

3821
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:24,880
with a patio zone with a minimum of 40%

3822
02:37:24,880 --> 02:37:27,760
of the acreage open space. So that's the

3823
02:37:27,760 --> 02:37:30,720
same

3824
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:34,319
setbacks will be 25 ft and 30 ft on all

3825
02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:39,750
collector or arterial streets.

3826
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:41,600
There should be an attached garage for

3827
02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:43,120
parking.

3828
02:37:43,120 --> 02:37:50,710
Same thing with road standards.

3829
02:37:50,720 --> 02:37:52,640
So I don't think there's 10 acres in

3830
02:37:52,640 --> 02:38:00,150
there to fit that for a patio zone.

3831
02:38:00,160 --> 02:38:01,520
» Sounds like it doesn't matter anymore

3832
02:38:01,520 --> 02:38:03,439
cuz they're so similar. It's just really

3833
02:38:03,439 --> 02:38:06,319
about who you

3834
02:38:06,319 --> 02:38:08,000
that was the point I was trying to make

3835
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:09,520
is

3836
02:38:09,520 --> 02:38:13,120
um some some comments I got were saying,

3837
02:38:13,120 --> 02:38:16,479
well let's do patio and maybe it just

3838
02:38:16,479 --> 02:38:18,479
attracts different

3839
02:38:18,479 --> 02:38:21,840
people and they're guess box, but

3840
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:23,359
they're very similar as far as number of

3841
02:38:23,359 --> 02:38:26,240
dwelling units, the type of homes,

3842
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:27,920
um,

3843
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:32,389
things like that.

3844
02:38:32,399 --> 02:38:36,720
So, as far as zoning goes, I I think I'm starting to come around to the same

3845
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:39,680
ideas as Tucker where I think that we

3846
02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:41,760
would feel comfortable recommending it

3847
02:38:41,760 --> 02:38:43,520
with some conditions to keep things

3848
02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:45,760
similarly to how Hooker's already been

3849
02:38:45,760 --> 02:38:52,070
designed and laid out.

3850
02:38:52,080 --> 02:38:59,670
like how you

3851
02:38:59,680 --> 02:39:05,439
» I just I think we I know we talk about

3852
02:39:05,439 --> 02:39:07,520
this and all these conditional uses, but

3853
02:39:07,520 --> 02:39:11,600
I think they get lost in translation and

3854
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:14,479
they get lost every time we put a bunch

3855
02:39:14,479 --> 02:39:16,640
of conditions on something without

3856
02:39:16,640 --> 02:39:22,150
having it

3857
02:39:22,160 --> 02:39:25,840
I'm having a hard time with the density

3858
02:39:25,840 --> 02:39:27,439
personally.

3859
02:39:27,439 --> 02:39:29,120
I mean, if you were to call for a vote

3860
02:39:29,120 --> 02:39:31,280
right now, when would be known? So,

3861
02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:33,680
>> with our current way,

3862
02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:37,120
>> well, the the motion to approve this

3863
02:39:37,120 --> 02:39:40,640
reszone and general plan amendment

3864
02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:42,240
>> that's currently

3865
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:45,200
>> Yeah. is currently submitted to us. We

3866
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:47,760
have to make a decision tonight.

3867
02:39:47,760 --> 02:39:52,319
or just like Nick said, I'm unknown, but

3868
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:53,359
>> we felt for a vote.

3869
02:39:53,359 --> 02:39:56,080
>> Does that change if we say it's R2, R3

3870
02:39:56,080 --> 02:39:58,240
on the edges and patio or PE in the

3871
02:39:58,240 --> 02:39:59,760
middle?

3872
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:01,439
And that's a question for him, too. Can

3873
02:40:01,439 --> 02:40:04,479
we modify from what they've requested

3874
02:40:04,479 --> 02:40:06,560
>> or do we have to vote strictly on what

3875
02:40:06,560 --> 02:40:08,319
they requested?

3876
02:40:08,319 --> 02:40:12,319
>> So, and I'll I'll let uh Troy speak to

3877
02:40:12,319 --> 02:40:15,439
this, but my understanding is that uh

3878
02:40:15,439 --> 02:40:19,040
obviously approval, right? But absent

3879
02:40:19,040 --> 02:40:21,680
that, he's open to you impos not

3880
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:23,359
imposing but recommending some

3881
02:40:23,359 --> 02:40:25,600
conditions and then he would evaluate

3882
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:28,960
those. So, you know, with with the one

3883
02:40:28,960 --> 02:40:32,479
we discussed earlier of 75 versus a

3884
02:40:32,479 --> 02:40:36,080
halfacre lot for Mr. uh Mr. Smith, he

3885
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:39,439
wasn't able to speak to that, but Mr. uh

3886
02:40:39,439 --> 02:40:41,760
apologize Mr. Wbertton

3887
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:44,800
Mr. Wolverton has indicated that he is

3888
02:40:44,800 --> 02:40:47,760
open to those conditions and if he if

3889
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:50,160
you impose recommended something that he

3890
02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:53,280
was not open to um he would he would

3891
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:56,399
make the city council aware of that and

3892
02:40:56,399 --> 02:40:58,240
they could decide whether they wanted to

3893
02:40:58,240 --> 02:41:00,399
accept your conditions or not.

3894
02:41:00,399 --> 02:41:02,880
>> So yeah, you can do that.

3895
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:05,040
>> That's my problem. We can recommend all

3896
02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:07,200
we want, but

3897
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:09,120
>> they can still do whatever they want.

3898
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:09,760
So,

3899
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:11,840
>> but that's the same as if we if we deny

3900
02:41:11,840 --> 02:41:13,120
it, they can still take it to city

3901
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:15,520
council even if it's a unanimous denial

3902
02:41:15,520 --> 02:41:16,640
>> and they can still do whatever they

3903
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:18,640
want. Ours is just a recommendation by

3904
02:41:18,640 --> 02:41:19,200
our

3905
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,920
>> That's fine. But I can sleep at night

3906
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:24,960
knowing that I'm voting my conscience.

3907
02:41:24,960 --> 02:41:26,240
So,

3908
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:27,760
>> however you want to do it.

3909
02:41:27,760 --> 02:41:29,920
>> Yeah. I I think it's important whether

3910
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:36,479
we go for approval or not. just making this the public aware of how we

3911
02:41:36,479 --> 02:41:39,040
think and I I respect your opinion. I

3912
02:41:39,040 --> 02:41:43,040
think that's that's good. But um

3913
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:44,399
that's where we go. We should make a

3914
02:41:44,399 --> 02:41:46,080
motion and see what happens.

3915
02:41:46,080 --> 02:41:48,240
>> Well, I So I I kind of want to flesh out

3916
02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:49,920
what Blake's talking about, too. So I'm

3917
02:41:49,920 --> 02:41:54,399
in the same ballpark as Blake that if if

3918
02:41:54,399 --> 02:41:57,680
we're voting to approve or deny based on

3919
02:41:57,680 --> 02:42:00,560
what they submitted,

3920
02:42:00,560 --> 02:42:02,276
I'm leaning towards

3921
02:42:02,276 --> 02:42:02,399
>> [snorts]

3922
02:42:02,399 --> 02:42:06,319
>> a deny as well. So I guess that's do we

3923
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:09,760
want to make the motion

3924
02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:14,399
to modify and approve or

3925
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:16,720
>> I mean I guess kind of what's written

3926
02:42:16,720 --> 02:42:19,760
>> kind of I guess our opinions are that we

3927
02:42:19,760 --> 02:42:22,720
are all of us I think are opposed to the

3928
02:42:22,720 --> 02:42:23,920
current submitt.

3929
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:25,280
>> So we're all kind of denying that.

3930
02:42:25,280 --> 02:42:26,479
>> So I think I think we do that. I think

3931
02:42:26,479 --> 02:42:28,399
we just deny how it is and the reason

3932
02:42:28,399 --> 02:42:29,840
we're denying is because we don't want

3933
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:31,200
that much density. We don't have the

3934
02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:33,439
mixed use. If if we wouldn't have

3935
02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:34,800
approved it if they had made these

3936
02:42:34,800 --> 02:42:35,359
changes.

3937
02:42:35,359 --> 02:42:36,720
>> That's exactly what I was going to say.

3938
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:38,160
It's like we're all kind of agreeing.

3939
02:42:38,160 --> 02:42:40,399
>> So, let's make the motion to deny it.

3940
02:42:40,399 --> 02:42:42,399
>> And the reasoning like explain I guess

3941
02:42:42,399 --> 02:42:44,160
we just explain why, but that's the

3942
02:42:44,160 --> 02:42:44,560
reason why

3943
02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:46,160
>> someone's going to have to spell it out.

3944
02:42:46,160 --> 02:42:47,359
>> I think you need to explain. You don't

3945
02:42:47,359 --> 02:42:49,840
need to explain.

3946
02:42:49,840 --> 02:42:51,760
>> One clarification from Nick on that.

3947
02:42:51,760 --> 02:42:54,000
Does that move us to the next phase? So,

3948
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:55,680
if we deny this, we still want to talk

3949
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:56,960
about the developer agreement.

3950
02:42:56,960 --> 02:42:58,160
>> Correct.

3951
02:42:58,160 --> 02:42:58,720
>> Yeah.

3952
02:42:58,720 --> 02:42:59,120
>> Okay.

3953
02:42:59,120 --> 02:43:01,760
>> Yeah. You want to make a motion on both

3954
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:04,319
of them tonight?

3955
02:43:04,319 --> 02:43:06,160
>> I mean, if you deny the reason, it makes

3956
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:08,240
it the theoretically, you can talk about

3957
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:09,439
as long as you want, but it

3958
02:43:09,439 --> 02:43:10,960
theoretically makes the next discussion

3959
02:43:10,960 --> 02:43:13,359
very brief.

3960
02:43:13,359 --> 02:43:15,280
>> The question I have, I guess, so if we

3961
02:43:15,280 --> 02:43:18,800
just deny it straight away and we don't

3962
02:43:18,800 --> 02:43:20,479
I mean the reason I would deny and the

3963
02:43:20,479 --> 02:43:23,040
reason everything this way is the

3964
02:43:23,040 --> 02:43:25,680
density. So we look at that the mixed

3965
02:43:25,680 --> 02:43:28,319
use um

3966
02:43:28,319 --> 02:43:31,840
>> open Would it would this information be

3967
02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:33,600
carried to the city council or is it

3968
02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:35,600
just strictly they said no or would they

3969
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:39,280
say no it was no because of this and this? So hopefully they take

3970
02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:42,080
into account the things we've said.

3971
02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:44,800
>> Yeah, I think that Mr. Jenkins would

3972
02:43:44,800 --> 02:43:47,279
take the minutes from this meeting um

3973
02:43:47,279 --> 02:43:51,040
and Mr. Wolverton would make a decision

3974
02:43:51,040 --> 02:43:53,439
on whether he wanted to move to this

3975
02:43:53,439 --> 02:43:57,040
council with the uh commission's

3976
02:43:57,040 --> 02:43:58,560
recommendation.

3977
02:43:58,560 --> 02:44:00,479
Sometimes developers do, sometimes they

3978
02:44:00,479 --> 02:44:03,279
don't. But that gives him the ball then

3979
02:44:03,279 --> 02:44:05,600
falls in Mr. Wson's court. He can then

3980
02:44:05,600 --> 02:44:08,160
say, "Look, please city council listen

3981
02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:10,160
to the minutes,

3982
02:44:10,160 --> 02:44:12,399
you know, there was some, you know, I'm

3983
02:44:12,399 --> 02:44:13,600
not trying to put words in your mouth,

3984
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:15,359
but there was some value to this

3985
02:44:15,359 --> 02:44:19,279
project. Please reconsider." And then the council does whatever they

3986
02:44:19,279 --> 02:44:21,680
want with it.

3987
02:44:21,680 --> 02:44:25,040
>> Mr. Chair, I apologize. This is out of

3988
02:44:25,040 --> 02:44:34,870
order. Could I make one clarification?

3989
02:44:34,880 --> 02:44:36,720
I apologize. The public hearing is

3990
02:44:36,720 --> 02:44:39,359
closed. My opportunity to speak is done.

3991
02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:41,120
I just wanted to make one clarification.

3992
02:44:41,120 --> 02:44:42,720
>> It's it's appreciated. This is

3993
02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:43,359
important.

3994
02:44:43,359 --> 02:44:45,359
>> The motion or the consideration

3995
02:44:45,359 --> 02:44:48,399
currently general plan amendment and

3996
02:44:48,399 --> 02:44:54,720
reszones to your current code. The MDA

3997
02:44:54,720 --> 02:44:57,680
expresses deviations from that code. I

3998
02:44:57,680 --> 02:44:59,840
just just wanted to be clear on what you

3999
02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:02,640
are currently voting on. It's a general

4000
02:45:02,640 --> 02:45:05,840
plan amendment and a reason request to

4001
02:45:05,840 --> 02:45:07,359
R3

4002
02:45:07,359 --> 02:45:11,600
patio and PUB all your current codes.

4003
02:45:11,600 --> 02:45:14,720
There's no deviation in that at all.

4004
02:45:14,720 --> 02:45:18,160
Then when you consider the MDA, that's

4005
02:45:18,160 --> 02:45:19,920
the deviations.

4006
02:45:19,920 --> 02:45:21,200
Just wanted to make that clear.

4007
02:45:21,200 --> 02:45:26,230
>> Okay.

4008
02:45:26,240 --> 02:45:33,429
» Does that make more sense to you.

4009
02:45:33,439 --> 02:45:36,319
» I thought I thought our PU was no longer

4010
02:45:36,319 --> 02:45:37,120
in use.

4011
02:45:37,120 --> 02:45:40,080
>> No, it's the patio

4012
02:45:40,080 --> 02:45:42,479
in

4013
02:45:42,479 --> 02:45:46,720
>> Yeah, we have to put them in

4014
02:45:46,720 --> 02:45:52,150
reactivating

4015
02:45:52,160 --> 02:46:02,389
» if you want to do the case.

4016
02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:05,920
So I think what he's saying is that what

4017
02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:07,359
we're voting on tonight is what we

4018
02:46:07,359 --> 02:46:10,720
currently have available to us.

4019
02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:12,640
So that's not reflective of what was on

4020
02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:15,040
the map. That would come in conditions

4021
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:17,840
on the developer agreement.

4022
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:19,920
>> Yeah, the zoning will stay with our

4023
02:46:19,920 --> 02:46:22,160
standards.

4024
02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:24,479
We're just allowing the res to happen,

4025
02:46:24,479 --> 02:46:27,040
but the deviations from the standards

4026
02:46:27,040 --> 02:46:37,429
are part of the agreement post zoning.

4027
02:46:37,439 --> 02:46:44,309
Somebody want to make a motion

4028
02:46:44,319 --> 02:47:08,150
more conversation.

4029
02:47:08,160 --> 02:47:17,190
Which one would it have said that?

4030
02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:20,080
I I feel like I'm it's a tough situation

4031
02:47:20,080 --> 02:47:21,840
but I feel like the commercial I think

4032
02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:24,800
is a very good aspect of it. We have

4033
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:27,439
existing commercial. Does the commercial

4034
02:47:27,439 --> 02:47:31,200
aspect not work without the additional

4035
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:33,279
density in the housing? Is that

4036
02:47:33,279 --> 02:47:34,800
obviously that's probably what they're

4037
02:47:34,800 --> 02:47:40,550
asking for. Um,

4038
02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:42,960
but does do we also need does Herbert

4039
02:47:42,960 --> 02:47:45,439
need more housing that can be hopefully

4040
02:47:45,439 --> 02:47:48,240
affordable and you know families can

4041
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:50,319
come and and enjoy this place how it is

4042
02:47:50,319 --> 02:48:03,510
too

4043
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:05,279
an important element to the discussion

4044
02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:07,200
is just our our moderate income housing

4045
02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:08,880
plan. I think that's what you're kind of

4046
02:48:08,880 --> 02:48:10,479
referencing.

4047
02:48:10,479 --> 02:48:12,960
I I researched our current moderate

4048
02:48:12,960 --> 02:48:15,120
income housing plan and and kind of our

4049
02:48:15,120 --> 02:48:17,120
goals that we've set to help with the

4050
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:20,240
state of Utah's compliance. And one of

4051
02:48:20,240 --> 02:48:22,240
those goals was the ADU portion of it,

4052
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:23,600
which we've already amended some of

4053
02:48:23,600 --> 02:48:25,520
those regulations to try to be compliant

4054
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:27,840
to allow for that. And the other one is

4055
02:48:27,840 --> 02:48:29,840
to increase densities. And that's why

4056
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:32,560
some of our future land use maps have 75

4057
02:48:32,560 --> 02:48:35,359
acre allowances and the R the R2 to R3

4058
02:48:35,359 --> 02:48:38,399
and R4 allowances.

4059
02:48:38,399 --> 02:48:42,720
So I think that yes, we do need more

4060
02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:45,359
consideration for density in the future,

4061
02:48:45,359 --> 02:48:47,279
especially to to meet our moderate

4062
02:48:47,279 --> 02:48:50,160
income housing plan that's required.

4063
02:48:50,160 --> 02:48:51,760
But I think that we're on track with

4064
02:48:51,760 --> 02:48:53,439
that with our current goals with or

4065
02:48:53,439 --> 02:48:55,040
without this subdivision. So this

4066
02:48:55,040 --> 02:48:56,800
development I don't think contributes to

4067
02:48:56,800 --> 02:48:58,479
that moderate income housing plan. The

4068
02:48:58,479 --> 02:49:00,880
way I read it. I could be wrong, but the

4069
02:49:00,880 --> 02:49:02,560
way that I read it, I think that we are

4070
02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:04,880
compliant with our plan and our goals

4071
02:49:04,880 --> 02:49:08,080
that we were that we set without this

4072
02:49:08,080 --> 02:49:10,560
density. Hopefully that doesn't muddy

4073
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:17,670
the water even deeper

4074
02:49:17,680 --> 02:49:19,920
cuz honestly like that was one of my

4075
02:49:19,920 --> 02:49:21,920
major concerns is that we want to try to

4076
02:49:21,920 --> 02:49:23,840
get ahead of our our in our moderate

4077
02:49:23,840 --> 02:49:26,399
income housing plan before the state

4078
02:49:26,399 --> 02:49:29,120
regulates us to to do it. And that was

4079
02:49:29,120 --> 02:49:30,720
one of the concerns that I had is I had

4080
02:49:30,720 --> 02:49:34,080
discussions with many residents over the

4081
02:49:34,080 --> 02:49:36,399
last two weeks and other city officials

4082
02:49:36,399 --> 02:49:40,399
in other other municipalities. and the

4083
02:49:40,399 --> 02:49:41,920
way that I understand the law and the

4084
02:49:41,920 --> 02:49:43,359
regulation from the state and the way

4085
02:49:43,359 --> 02:49:45,520
that I understand our plan, I don't

4086
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:47,279
think that we're in any kind of jeopardy

4087
02:49:47,279 --> 02:49:49,840
to have the state push the issue further

4088
02:49:49,840 --> 02:49:51,920
like what I mean it's on the news right

4089
02:49:51,920 --> 02:49:53,840
now and other other municipalities in

4090
02:49:53,840 --> 02:49:55,040
the state right now where the state's

4091
02:49:55,040 --> 02:49:56,960
stepping in in some areas and putting

4092
02:49:56,960 --> 02:49:58,560
pressure on developers and city

4093
02:49:58,560 --> 02:50:00,479
agreements, but I don't think that

4094
02:50:00,479 --> 02:50:02,479
Hooker's in that situation yet as

4095
02:50:02,479 --> 02:50:05,120
currently outlined. I could be wrong.

4096
02:50:05,120 --> 02:50:07,359
>> No, I I agree with you, but I also think

4097
02:50:07,359 --> 02:50:10,080
we we need to Are we are we looking at

4098
02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:12,479
moderate income housing plan to check a

4099
02:50:12,479 --> 02:50:14,240
box with the state or do we really want

4100
02:50:14,240 --> 02:50:16,640
to create moderate income housing

4101
02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:18,160
because I think they're separate

4102
02:50:18,160 --> 02:50:19,520
discussions right

4103
02:50:19,520 --> 02:50:21,680
>> 100% yeah you're right

4104
02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:24,240
>> all right um

4105
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:30,710
anybody want to make a motion

4106
02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:35,190
» am I motion

4107
02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:38,399
» I don't believe so I think that uh does

4108
02:50:38,399 --> 02:50:45,349
not make motion.

4109
02:50:45,359 --> 02:50:47,279
» I think I was say if you were to make a

4110
02:50:47,279 --> 02:50:50,160
motion, what would the motion be?

4111
02:50:50,160 --> 02:50:53,040
>> Um honestly,

4112
02:50:53,040 --> 02:50:55,920
my motion would be to approve um and

4113
02:50:55,920 --> 02:50:58,640
then forward our

4114
02:50:58,640 --> 02:51:00,399
requests

4115
02:51:00,399 --> 02:51:02,880
for conditions because all these codes

4116
02:51:02,880 --> 02:51:07,120
are currently in our zoning

4117
02:51:07,120 --> 02:51:09,760
and we can make the request to move on

4118
02:51:09,760 --> 02:51:14,630
from there.

4119
02:51:14,640 --> 02:51:18,319
That's what I have. And then one more

4120
02:51:18,319 --> 02:51:20,560
clarification, I'm so glad you're here

4121
02:51:20,560 --> 02:51:21,040
tonight.

4122
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:22,080
>> I'm happy to be here.

4123
02:51:22,080 --> 02:51:24,880
>> In the case of a tie,

4124
02:51:24,880 --> 02:51:29,750
where does that go?

4125
02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:31,680
» My understanding, and I'd have to look

4126
02:51:31,680 --> 02:51:35,520
by Mr. Ch, but I don't think you as the

4127
02:51:35,520 --> 02:51:45,269
chair vote.

4128
02:51:45,279 --> 02:51:48,560
That's typically how it works.

4129
02:51:48,560 --> 02:51:50,960
>> Any more discussion while before we take

4130
02:51:50,960 --> 02:51:55,750
a motion?

4131
02:51:55,760 --> 02:51:56,960
» So, I'm looking at I'm looking at

4132
02:51:56,960 --> 02:51:58,160
general plan right here. The goal, the

4133
02:51:58,160 --> 02:51:59,680
very first one, foster a healthy

4134
02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:01,920
community with opportunities to live,

4135
02:52:01,920 --> 02:52:05,200
work, and recreate.

4136
02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:06,960
So I that's kind of where I go is maybe

4137
02:52:06,960 --> 02:52:08,960
at let's get housing here so other

4138
02:52:08,960 --> 02:52:12,160
people can live and work and recreate

4139
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:14,319
and hopefully along with this general

4140
02:52:14,319 --> 02:52:17,520
plan and reszone DA we can get a good

4141
02:52:17,520 --> 02:52:19,680
park system and trails and other things

4142
02:52:19,680 --> 02:52:26,550
like that

4143
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:31,439
or we could um deny it with the other

4144
02:52:31,439 --> 02:52:33,600
one and say wait till we from general

4145
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:36,399
plan in a few months.

4146
02:52:36,399 --> 02:52:40,319
I mean, it is to the the one the 351

4147
02:52:40,319 --> 02:52:43,680
south 300 west. It's kind of I don't

4148
02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:45,840
similar is different because there's

4149
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:47,279
commercial aspect already in our future

4150
02:52:47,279 --> 02:52:48,720
lines for this area. That's why it's

4151
02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:50,000
different and and you mentioned the

4152
02:52:50,000 --> 02:52:52,880
community benefit I guess.

4153
02:52:52,880 --> 02:52:54,399
>> Yeah,

4154
02:52:54,399 --> 02:52:56,319
I agree. consideration there, but I

4155
02:52:56,319 --> 02:52:58,160
think it's different because of already

4156
02:52:58,160 --> 02:52:59,840
current and future land use maps that

4157
02:52:59,840 --> 02:53:02,399
somewhat align and the benefit of the

4158
02:53:02,399 --> 02:53:15,910
community.

4159
02:53:15,920 --> 02:53:17,920
Um,

4160
02:53:17,920 --> 02:53:22,560
I will make a motion to approve the

4161
02:53:22,560 --> 02:53:24,560
general plan amendment and the zoning

4162
02:53:24,560 --> 02:53:29,120
request using our current zoning areas

4163
02:53:29,120 --> 02:53:32,720
with the condition of

4164
02:53:32,720 --> 02:53:37,840
the mixed use portion being eliminated

4165
02:53:37,840 --> 02:53:40,800
and added to the commercial element of

4166
02:53:40,800 --> 02:53:42,800
the reszone.

4167
02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:47,359
while also considering that the zoning

4168
02:53:47,359 --> 02:53:51,760
for the PUD and the MHDR

4169
02:53:51,760 --> 02:53:53,359
have our considerations from our

4170
02:53:53,359 --> 02:53:56,720
discussion regarding the density

4171
02:53:56,720 --> 02:54:01,920
uh forplex to sixplex and open space

4172
02:54:01,920 --> 02:54:05,120
area being modified to more closely

4173
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:11,670
match our current zoning.

4174
02:54:11,680 --> 02:54:14,240
Motion's been made by Commissioner D. Do

4175
02:54:14,240 --> 02:54:16,319
I have a second?

4176
02:54:16,319 --> 02:54:18,479
>> So, do we need to even add those

4177
02:54:18,479 --> 02:54:20,640
conditions? Because really, they're

4178
02:54:20,640 --> 02:54:24,479
asking for the C2P, the R2, and R3.

4179
02:54:24,479 --> 02:54:26,479
They're not necessarily in this motion.

4180
02:54:26,479 --> 02:54:27,920
It doesn't necessarily say this is where

4181
02:54:27,920 --> 02:54:28,560
it's at.

4182
02:54:28,560 --> 02:54:28,800
>> True.

4183
02:54:28,800 --> 02:54:30,080
>> I think it's a little bit of belt and

4184
02:54:30,080 --> 02:54:31,439
suspenders, but there's nothing wrong.

4185
02:54:31,439 --> 02:54:33,600
>> Okay. Okay.

4186
02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:36,160
>> I'll second that. Second has been made

4187
02:54:36,160 --> 02:54:40,000
by Commissioner W. All in favor?

4188
02:54:40,000 --> 02:54:41,680
>> Is there discussion on the motion?

4189
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:42,880
Sorry.

4190
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:45,200
>> Oh, any discussion on the motion?

4191
02:54:45,200 --> 02:54:48,800
>> I just wanted to clarify um you want to

4192
02:54:48,800 --> 02:54:51,439
the open space you want to go more

4193
02:54:51,439 --> 02:54:55,269
closely

4194
02:54:55,279 --> 02:54:56,880
that's going to go more into the next

4195
02:54:56,880 --> 02:55:00,710
discussion developer

4196
02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:02,800
and say eliminate

4197
02:55:02,800 --> 02:55:05,840
>> eliminate the mix. absorb it into the

4198
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:06,560
commercial

4199
02:55:06,560 --> 02:55:07,279
>> the C2.

4200
02:55:07,279 --> 02:55:10,560
>> Yes, please.

4201
02:55:10,560 --> 02:55:12,399
>> But that's a to really that map you're

4202
02:55:12,399 --> 02:55:15,439
looking at isn't necessarily what it I

4203
02:55:15,439 --> 02:55:18,880
mean that's what it could be. But this this

4204
02:55:18,880 --> 02:55:20,399
uh recommendation isn't saying this is

4205
02:55:20,399 --> 02:55:21,920
where it's going to be. Just saying

4206
02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:23,680
let's open this up and look at the

4207
02:55:23,680 --> 02:55:26,319
potential reason to these items. So,

4208
02:55:26,319 --> 02:55:29,279
right. Okay.

4209
02:55:29,279 --> 02:55:31,120
And then in the development agreement,

4210
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:32,720
that's where you really hashed out the

4211
02:55:32,720 --> 02:55:35,600
locations and things like that. So, can

4212
02:55:35,600 --> 02:55:38,080
we confirm? I can't motion, but can I

4213
02:55:38,080 --> 02:55:40,880
vote?

4214
02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:47,030
>> Yes.

4215
02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:50,230
» I want

4216
02:55:50,240 --> 02:55:51,760
you maybe if you don't take the can't

4217
02:55:51,760 --> 02:55:53,439
vote out. I guess you're saying this

4218
02:55:53,439 --> 02:55:54,479
because you want to have your voice

4219
02:55:54,479 --> 02:55:55,279
heard, right?

4220
02:55:55,279 --> 02:55:59,200
>> I I'm up here with you guys. I would say

4221
02:55:59,200 --> 02:56:01,439
>> I say if your vote doesn't you can't

4222
02:56:01,439 --> 02:56:07,030
count your vote we can say after the

4223
02:56:07,040 --> 02:56:11,030
» okay so we've had a motion

4224
02:56:11,040 --> 02:56:12,720
all in favor

4225
02:56:12,720 --> 02:56:16,870
>> I

4226
02:56:16,880 --> 02:56:20,389
motion passes

4227
02:56:20,399 --> 02:56:25,760
okay um now we're going to move to U

4228
02:56:25,760 --> 02:56:28,319
item D which is recommendation of a

4229
02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:30,000
master development agreement for the

4230
02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:32,640
Hooker Crossing commercial and we've

4231
02:56:32,640 --> 02:56:34,080
discussed this in our work meeting as

4232
02:56:34,080 --> 02:56:36,160
well. We appreciate everybody sticking

4233
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:38,640
around for this and we would like I

4234
02:56:38,640 --> 02:56:40,160
would like to entertain a motion to

4235
02:56:40,160 --> 02:56:44,080
enter a public hearing around uh item D

4236
02:56:44,080 --> 02:56:46,240
around the master development agreement.

4237
02:56:46,240 --> 02:56:47,520
Anybody want to create a motion?

4238
02:56:47,520 --> 02:56:49,200
>> I'll I'll make that motion. And really I

4239
02:56:49,200 --> 02:56:50,720
feel bad that people are because I feel

4240
02:56:50,720 --> 02:56:52,800
like this is the more important part of

4241
02:56:52,800 --> 02:56:54,880
the whole reason and general map plan

4242
02:56:54,880 --> 02:56:56,160
amendment is hopefully people stick

4243
02:56:56,160 --> 02:56:57,760
around. So, I feel like this is where

4244
02:56:57,760 --> 02:57:00,560
the we really get into this is what we

4245
02:57:00,560 --> 02:57:02,399
want as a city and a planning commission

4246
02:57:02,399 --> 02:57:05,359
and city council whereas before versus

4247
02:57:05,359 --> 02:57:06,800
more saying let's let's have a look at

4248
02:57:06,800 --> 02:57:08,800
it and see if it follows our what our

4249
02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:11,040
future line is what we want to have. So,

4250
02:57:11,040 --> 02:57:13,279
I'll make a motion to open the public

4251
02:57:13,279 --> 02:57:14,880
hearing. Thank you. Motion's been made

4252
02:57:14,880 --> 02:57:16,160
by Commissioner Wade. Do I have a

4253
02:57:16,160 --> 02:57:16,640
second?

4254
02:57:16,640 --> 02:57:17,200
>> Second.

4255
02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:19,279
by Commissioner Denny. All in

4256
02:57:19,279 --> 02:57:20,479
favor?

4257
02:57:20,479 --> 02:57:22,240
>> I.

4258
02:57:22,240 --> 02:57:23,600
>> At this time, we'd like to open it up

4259
02:57:23,600 --> 02:57:26,080
for public comment. Uh again, you have

4260
02:57:26,080 --> 02:57:29,200
three minutes. Uh timekeepers Morgan,

4261
02:57:29,200 --> 02:57:30,720
please step to the microphone, state

4262
02:57:30,720 --> 02:57:32,000
your name, and if you're a resident of

4263
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:47,030
Hooker City, and share your thoughts.

4264
02:57:47,040 --> 02:57:50,080
» Whatever we approve, sorry, you heard

4265
02:57:50,080 --> 02:57:52,560
me. I know we have but now friends

4266
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:55,840
Hooker resident whatever we approve here

4267
02:57:55,840 --> 02:57:57,279
will set a precedent for future

4268
02:57:57,279 --> 02:57:58,880
developers who come to Hooper if we

4269
02:57:58,880 --> 02:58:00,720
establish that high density housing

4270
02:58:00,720 --> 02:58:02,560
exceptions to development standards or

4271
02:58:02,560 --> 02:58:04,080
public financing are necessary

4272
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:05,520
concessions to attract commercial

4273
02:58:05,520 --> 02:58:07,600
development future development

4274
02:58:07,600 --> 02:58:09,439
developers will reasonably expect the

4275
02:58:09,439 --> 02:58:11,520
same treatment so tonight I'm asking you

4276
02:58:11,520 --> 02:58:13,600
to separate these issues support a

4277
02:58:13,600 --> 02:58:15,120
commercial opportunity that's in the

4278
02:58:15,120 --> 02:58:16,640
best interest of the city but don't

4279
02:58:16,640 --> 02:58:19,520
assume we have to accept [snorts]

4280
02:58:19,520 --> 02:58:22,000
the wrong type of highdensity housing or

4281
02:58:22,000 --> 02:58:25,040
public financing mechanisms to get it.

4282
02:58:25,040 --> 02:58:27,279
Please protect Hooker taxpayers and our

4283
02:58:27,279 --> 02:58:29,040
other taxing entities by not committing

4284
02:58:29,040 --> 02:58:31,439
the city to CRAAS, PIDs or other tax

4285
02:58:31,439 --> 02:58:33,600
increment financing for this project. We

4286
02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:34,960
have an opportunity to do something

4287
02:58:34,960 --> 02:58:37,359
meaningful here. Let's make sure we are

4288
02:58:37,359 --> 02:58:39,359
developing on our terms consistent with

4289
02:58:39,359 --> 02:58:41,359
the vision of residents that its

4290
02:58:41,359 --> 02:58:42,880
residents have expressed and the

4291
02:58:42,880 --> 02:58:44,720
ordinances that were put in place after

4292
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:47,439
careful discretion by the city council

4293
02:58:47,439 --> 02:58:49,439
and planning commission. Not accepting

4294
02:58:49,439 --> 02:58:50,960
the terms that the de the developer

4295
02:58:50,960 --> 02:58:52,479
wants because we are afraid we might

4296
02:58:52,479 --> 02:58:54,880
lose the commercial development.

4297
02:58:54,880 --> 02:58:56,640
I appreciate the transparency that you

4298
02:58:56,640 --> 02:58:58,080
discussed in the work meeting about not

4299
02:58:58,080 --> 02:58:59,520
understanding all of the things in the

4300
02:58:59,520 --> 02:59:00,960
development agreement. My understanding

4301
02:59:00,960 --> 02:59:02,800
is you received this revised copy of

4302
02:59:02,800 --> 02:59:04,880
this agreement two to three days ago. I

4303
02:59:04,880 --> 02:59:06,319
recognize that the developer doesn't

4304
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:08,640
want this agreement tabled. Uh the

4305
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:10,800
project has been in place for some time,

4306
02:59:10,800 --> 02:59:13,040
but the development agreement is new. I

4307
02:59:13,040 --> 02:59:14,319
would encourage you to not be pushed

4308
02:59:14,319 --> 02:59:16,240
into a decision that will have lasting

4309
02:59:16,240 --> 02:59:18,800
consequences for our city. Mistakes when

4310
02:59:18,800 --> 02:59:21,520
things are rushed. If you do decide to

4311
02:59:21,520 --> 02:59:23,120
recommend an approval, please add

4312
02:59:23,120 --> 02:59:24,399
conditions that will be in the best

4313
02:59:24,399 --> 02:59:26,000
interest of Huffer. You can make

4314
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:27,680
recommendations to not participate in

4315
02:59:27,680 --> 02:59:30,000
tax financing. You can recommend a

4316
02:59:30,000 --> 02:59:32,240
pioneering agreement. You can recommend

4317
02:59:32,240 --> 02:59:34,479
that the high density portion that you

4318
02:59:34,479 --> 02:59:38,160
just pushed through is made for a

4319
02:59:38,160 --> 02:59:40,640
retirement center for senior living. The

4320
02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:42,160
people of Hooker deserve your careful

4321
02:59:42,160 --> 02:59:46,399
scrutiny of this decision. Thank you.

4322
02:59:46,399 --> 02:59:49,429
>> Thank you.

4323
02:59:49,439 --> 02:59:56,150
Any other citizen comment?

4324
02:59:56,160 --> 02:59:58,240
» Andrew,

4325
02:59:58,240 --> 03:00:01,040
I just don't want city to take any more

4326
03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:04,720
of my land for this project,

4327
03:00:04,720 --> 03:00:05,840
but you're probably going to take

4328
03:00:05,840 --> 03:00:08,240
another 6 ft of my front yard, which

4329
03:00:08,240 --> 03:00:09,680
will put my front door right on the

4330
03:00:09,680 --> 03:00:12,640
street.

4331
03:00:12,640 --> 03:00:13,600
You know, there's probably other

4332
03:00:13,600 --> 03:00:14,960
citizens that are going to experience

4333
03:00:14,960 --> 03:00:17,439
the same plan loss.

4334
03:00:17,439 --> 03:00:18,640
And then we're going to have to go into

4335
03:00:18,640 --> 03:00:22,399
another tax problem because I'm losing

4336
03:00:22,399 --> 03:00:26,240
land for that.

4337
03:00:26,240 --> 03:00:31,680
>> Thank you.

4338
03:00:31,680 --> 03:00:38,950
Any other citizen comments?

4339
03:00:38,960 --> 03:00:40,640
» I would als I would like to recommend

4340
03:00:40,640 --> 03:00:43,040
Oh, sorry. Susanna Sterland to resident.

4341
03:00:43,040 --> 03:00:44,960
Um, I would like to recommend patio

4342
03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:46,800
homes, but also throw a different idea

4343
03:00:46,800 --> 03:00:49,359
out for patio homes. Um, I've seen in

4344
03:00:49,359 --> 03:00:51,120
some other cities and we've actually

4345
03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:54,640
lived in them early on as like a cheaper

4346
03:00:54,640 --> 03:00:57,600
way to start a home and then moved on,

4347
03:00:57,600 --> 03:00:59,359
right? It was a good starter home as a

4348
03:00:59,359 --> 03:01:01,840
patio home. So, you could consider patio

4349
03:01:01,840 --> 03:01:03,840
homes. I do like the retirement part of

4350
03:01:03,840 --> 03:01:05,920
it because I don't feel like we have a

4351
03:01:05,920 --> 03:01:08,720
ton of that still. Um, but if we were

4352
03:01:08,720 --> 03:01:11,520
feeling like we also want to go for the

4353
03:01:11,520 --> 03:01:13,439
newer families and help newer families

4354
03:01:13,439 --> 03:01:15,760
or more affordable housing, I feel like

4355
03:01:15,760 --> 03:01:19,439
patio homes fit better for what Hopper

4356
03:01:19,439 --> 03:01:21,439
already the feel of Hooper already than

4357
03:01:21,439 --> 03:01:24,000
a town home. I also would like you to

4358
03:01:24,000 --> 03:01:26,640
consider, and I'm not as good with what

4359
03:01:26,640 --> 03:01:29,200
each, you know,

4360
03:01:29,200 --> 03:01:33,600
um, area can be maxed out on, but if you

4361
03:01:33,600 --> 03:01:36,479
say yes, we can do patio homes, what can

4362
03:01:36,479 --> 03:01:38,160
the developer come in and then change it

4363
03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:41,439
to? Can it end up being like

4364
03:01:41,439 --> 03:01:43,120
different ideas than what we've said

4365
03:01:43,120 --> 03:01:45,359
because we have said, "Oh, yes, now it

4366
03:01:45,359 --> 03:01:47,680
can be this zoning." Does that make

4367
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:50,560
sense? because I am afraid that we we go

4368
03:01:50,560 --> 03:01:52,720
and we say, "Oh, well, we want it to be

4369
03:01:52,720 --> 03:01:56,560
this and we okay it and then he goes in

4370
03:01:56,560 --> 03:01:58,880
and maxes out whatever that use is when

4371
03:01:58,880 --> 03:02:00,479
we were thinking, oh, it's a patio home,

4372
03:02:00,479 --> 03:02:03,200
but he can build a sixlex on it or

4373
03:02:03,200 --> 03:02:04,720
whatever." So, I would like you guys to

4374
03:02:04,720 --> 03:02:06,399
look into the fact that like what is the

4375
03:02:06,399 --> 03:02:08,399
max that they can do? Because in the

4376
03:02:08,399 --> 03:02:09,520
end, they may say they're going to do

4377
03:02:09,520 --> 03:02:11,120
one thing, but like it's already been

4378
03:02:11,120 --> 03:02:14,160
stated, he probably will sell the land

4379
03:02:14,160 --> 03:02:15,520
off and then somebody else is going to

4380
03:02:15,520 --> 03:02:16,960
come in with their idea. So, it probably

4381
03:02:16,960 --> 03:02:19,279
won't be exactly

4382
03:02:19,279 --> 03:02:21,200
um what the vision is of what we've seen

4383
03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:24,000
on the map so far. So, that's just my

4384
03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:26,479
extra thoughts. Thank you so much.

4385
03:02:26,479 --> 03:02:28,399
>> Thank you.

4386
03:02:28,399 --> 03:02:32,710
>> Other citizen comment.

4387
03:02:32,720 --> 03:02:35,279
» Um Amy Kristofferson, I'm just going to

4388
03:02:35,279 --> 03:02:37,120
say that was really painful because I

4389
03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:38,800
saw all four of you say that you would

4390
03:02:38,800 --> 03:02:42,000
deny. It was like your your instinct to

4391
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:45,279
deny that and then it got approved. So,

4392
03:02:45,279 --> 03:02:46,960
and every everybody that stood up and

4393
03:02:46,960 --> 03:02:49,680
made a public comment asked you to deny

4394
03:02:49,680 --> 03:02:52,560
and you approved it anyway. So that's a

4395
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:55,830
little ridiculous.

4396
03:02:55,840 --> 03:02:57,439
» Thank you.

4397
03:02:57,439 --> 03:03:07,750
>> Any other public comment

4398
03:03:07,760 --> 03:03:09,279
res

4399
03:03:09,279 --> 03:03:12,240
everything's been uh against everything.

4400
03:03:12,240 --> 03:03:14,160
So, I will be that one person that

4401
03:03:14,160 --> 03:03:16,560
stands up here and says, "Thanks for

4402
03:03:16,560 --> 03:03:19,840
approving that so, uh, we can work on

4403
03:03:19,840 --> 03:03:23,600
that as a city and move forward." And

4404
03:03:23,600 --> 03:03:25,680
I'm glad that you finally brought up

4405
03:03:25,680 --> 03:03:27,439
affordable housing right there at the

4406
03:03:27,439 --> 03:03:29,680
end of your discussion because I think

4407
03:03:29,680 --> 03:03:32,479
that's very important. Uh, you know, I

4408
03:03:32,479 --> 03:03:36,240
know it's been made uh comments that uh

4409
03:03:36,240 --> 03:03:39,600
we moved in here and now

4410
03:03:39,600 --> 03:03:41,920
uh everybody's building around Well,

4411
03:03:41,920 --> 03:03:44,479
I've been here for a long time and I've

4412
03:03:44,479 --> 03:03:46,800
not once complained about people moving

4413
03:03:46,800 --> 03:03:50,000
in and all, you know, everybody's moved

4414
03:03:50,000 --> 03:03:52,240
out to Hooper. I've been fine with them

4415
03:03:52,240 --> 03:03:54,720
that they're going to continue to move

4416
03:03:54,720 --> 03:03:56,960
out here into Hooper and we need to make

4417
03:03:56,960 --> 03:03:59,680
places affordable for them and go back

4418
03:03:59,680 --> 03:04:03,040
to what Tucker read there about

4419
03:04:03,040 --> 03:04:04,880
recreation and fun and that and that's

4420
03:04:04,880 --> 03:04:07,279
what this city's about. And I think

4421
03:04:07,279 --> 03:04:14,800
since this co uh it's messed up a lot of people and uh uh it's changed

4422
03:04:14,800 --> 03:04:18,080
things and we need to get it back and uh

4423
03:04:18,080 --> 03:04:21,520
we need to work on this uh plan and do

4424
03:04:21,520 --> 03:04:24,319
whatever we can to uh you know work with

4425
03:04:24,319 --> 03:04:28,000
these developers and and I get it that

4426
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:31,600
uh yeah there's other options but nobody

4427
03:04:31,600 --> 03:04:36,399
else has came to us uh uh and a year,

4428
03:04:36,399 --> 03:04:38,240
two, three years, whatever. I think it

4429
03:04:38,240 --> 03:04:40,160
was three years ago that Terristrada

4430
03:04:40,160 --> 03:04:43,920
came first to Mayor Bowers. Nobody else

4431
03:04:43,920 --> 03:04:46,160
has came. So, let's see what we can do

4432
03:04:46,160 --> 03:04:49,439
to work with this group that's here and

4433
03:04:49,439 --> 03:04:51,359
appreciate your help and your time.

4434
03:04:51,359 --> 03:04:54,000
Thanks.

4435
03:04:54,000 --> 03:04:56,240
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

4436
03:04:56,240 --> 03:05:01,269
>> Any other citizen comments,

4437
03:05:01,279 --> 03:05:09,520
» Tony Zoo, Hooper, resident? I'm gonna call Larry out because he's all for this and affordable

4438
03:05:09,520 --> 03:05:12,160
housing, but he was in a work meeting

4439
03:05:12,160 --> 03:05:16,000
with Tara Estrada probably a month ago.

4440
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:19,680
And I think these small cottages

4441
03:05:19,680 --> 03:05:23,670
came in at $450,000.

4442
03:05:23,680 --> 03:05:29,520
How can that be affordable housing? This isn't affordable housing. This is

4443
03:05:29,520 --> 03:05:32,560
affordable to bring this Smiths in

4444
03:05:32,560 --> 03:05:35,120
because they're going to it off for as

4445
03:05:35,120 --> 03:05:37,760
much as they can get and we're going to

4446
03:05:37,760 --> 03:05:40,319
be stuck with all the notes on this and

4447
03:05:40,319 --> 03:05:42,720
we're going to end up paying for it.

4448
03:05:42,720 --> 03:05:45,680
Thanks.

4449
03:05:45,680 --> 03:05:54,230
>> Thank you. Any other citizen comments?

4450
03:05:54,240 --> 03:05:55,920
» Okay, at this time I'll entertain a

4451
03:05:55,920 --> 03:05:58,399
motion to bring it back

4452
03:05:58,399 --> 03:06:00,160
to the stand.

4453
03:06:00,160 --> 03:06:02,240
>> Motion to close.

4454
03:06:02,240 --> 03:06:05,200
Second.

4455
03:06:05,200 --> 03:06:07,359
>> Motion was made by Commissioner Denny,

4456
03:06:07,359 --> 03:06:10,160
seconded by Commissioner Sey. All in

4457
03:06:10,160 --> 03:06:11,120
favor?

4458
03:06:11,120 --> 03:06:12,800
>> I.

4459
03:06:12,800 --> 03:06:17,670
Excellent. Um,

4460
03:06:17,680 --> 03:06:22,000
so, not to directly respond to citizen

4461
03:06:22,000 --> 03:06:25,760
comment, but Tony's got a great point,

4462
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:28,240
and I I mean, I I know we like to throw

4463
03:06:28,240 --> 03:06:30,560
around the term affordable housing, and

4464
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:34,319
I can't wrap my either. Um,

4465
03:06:34,319 --> 03:06:37,279
you know, I I remember my first home

4466
03:06:37,279 --> 03:06:39,120
purchase and it was nowhere near that

4467
03:06:39,120 --> 03:06:41,840
price and I know what my supposed value

4468
03:06:41,840 --> 03:06:45,520
on my home is now. So, I I hate that I

4469
03:06:45,520 --> 03:06:47,359
dislike the way we use the term

4470
03:06:47,359 --> 03:06:49,600
affordable housing because there's not

4471
03:06:49,600 --> 03:06:51,920
really much affordable about it. So, we

4472
03:06:51,920 --> 03:06:54,000
can call it moderate. We can call it I

4473
03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:55,520
don't I don't even know what you want to

4474
03:06:55,520 --> 03:06:58,560
call entry level housing anymore.

4475
03:06:58,560 --> 03:07:00,880
um unless we look at small starter

4476
03:07:00,880 --> 03:07:02,720
homes, but that's that's a whole

4477
03:07:02,720 --> 03:07:05,840
different conversation that builders

4478
03:07:05,840 --> 03:07:09,439
don't want to build right now. There's

4479
03:07:09,439 --> 03:07:13,520
no money in it for me. Um so I think at

4480
03:07:13,520 --> 03:07:15,920
this point, uh Nick, you can tell me if

4481
03:07:15,920 --> 03:07:19,279
I'm right or wrong. We're gonna kind of

4482
03:07:19,279 --> 03:07:21,520
go through recommendations

4483
03:07:21,520 --> 03:07:23,359
for the developer agreement, kind of our

4484
03:07:23,359 --> 03:07:25,120
laundry list of things that we would

4485
03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:30,080
like city council to also consider. Um,

4486
03:07:30,080 --> 03:07:31,760
I don't know how messy the list will get

4487
03:07:31,760 --> 03:07:34,319
and if it's something Morgan's going to

4488
03:07:34,319 --> 03:07:36,479
straighten out, but I'm also taking

4489
03:07:36,479 --> 03:07:38,560
notes as well and even kind of things

4490
03:07:38,560 --> 03:07:40,479
around general

4491
03:07:40,479 --> 03:07:43,279
ideas or requests, things around the

4492
03:07:43,279 --> 03:07:45,279
commercial and things around the

4493
03:07:45,279 --> 03:07:48,479
residential. So, um I don't even know if

4494
03:07:48,479 --> 03:07:51,040
we need to have a discussion about CRA

4495
03:07:51,040 --> 03:07:53,439
or sewer because that is a completely

4496
03:07:53,439 --> 03:07:54,880
separate issue. Correct.

4497
03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:56,479
>> That's my understanding. Yes, that's

4498
03:07:56,479 --> 03:07:57,760
correct.

4499
03:07:57,760 --> 03:07:59,520
>> That just gave us all two hours of our

4500
03:07:59,520 --> 03:07:59,920
land.

4501
03:07:59,920 --> 03:08:01,040
>> Well, hey, I think it's still important

4502
03:08:01,040 --> 03:08:01,760
we could

4503
03:08:01,760 --> 03:08:03,200
>> So, I guess real quick. So, we're either

4504
03:08:03,200 --> 03:08:06,960
going to same thing as the reason deny

4505
03:08:06,960 --> 03:08:08,800
approve table.

4506
03:08:08,800 --> 03:08:11,040
>> If we approve, we have conditions.

4507
03:08:11,040 --> 03:08:13,040
>> If we deny, just deny.

4508
03:08:13,040 --> 03:08:15,359
>> Yeah, I think I think uh Mr.

4509
03:08:15,359 --> 03:08:17,279
like to kind of know why you're doing it

4510
03:08:17,279 --> 03:08:20,319
obviously, but yeah, same thing as that.

4511
03:08:20,319 --> 03:08:23,200
>> Okay. So, I think in either way, even a

4512
03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:26,800
good recommendation, I think it'd still

4513
03:08:26,800 --> 03:08:29,920
be wise to mention stuff about funding

4514
03:08:29,920 --> 03:08:31,920
and financing. Just make sure it's out

4515
03:08:31,920 --> 03:08:34,319
of it. And even if it is out of it, I'd

4516
03:08:34,319 --> 03:08:38,720
still send you to say the taxpayers

4517
03:08:38,720 --> 03:08:41,359
should not be paying for any of it.

4518
03:08:41,359 --> 03:08:43,200
That's fine. Well, I'll just I'll start

4519
03:08:43,200 --> 03:08:46,560
the conversation pretty simply like I

4520
03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:48,720
I'm not prepared to approve this because

4521
03:08:48,720 --> 03:08:50,399
I don't understand everything that's in

4522
03:08:50,399 --> 03:08:53,359
it. So, even if we add conditions to it,

4523
03:08:53,359 --> 03:08:55,279
I don't think I can put a condition in

4524
03:08:55,279 --> 03:08:57,600
there that hey, I'm approving what I

4525
03:08:57,600 --> 03:08:59,920
pretend to understand.

4526
03:08:59,920 --> 03:09:02,399
>> I I agree with that. Yeah. In my

4527
03:09:02,399 --> 03:09:05,359
opinion, I think I would recommend this

4528
03:09:05,359 --> 03:09:09,600
isn't a vote yet, but I would say to

4529
03:09:09,600 --> 03:09:11,680
deny it and like we should probably say

4530
03:09:11,680 --> 03:09:14,000
the reasons why.

4531
03:09:14,000 --> 03:09:15,120
>> That's kind of where I'm at. So,

4532
03:09:15,120 --> 03:09:15,600
>> yeah,

4533
03:09:15,600 --> 03:09:17,200
>> if you could try and make the reasons

4534
03:09:17,200 --> 03:09:21,359
why relate to the MDA, correct? You can.

4535
03:09:21,359 --> 03:09:24,640
>> Yes, just to reiterate the MDA. So, we

4536
03:09:24,640 --> 03:09:26,720
have zones that you guys have now, you

4537
03:09:26,720 --> 03:09:28,640
know, recommended an approval to these

4538
03:09:28,640 --> 03:09:31,910
zones.

4539
03:09:31,920 --> 03:09:35,600
is fairly well written. I believe never

4540
03:09:35,600 --> 03:09:38,720
been used. We just saw an additional R3

4541
03:09:38,720 --> 03:09:43,120
zone is more robust. RT our C2 zone is

4542
03:09:43,120 --> 03:09:45,359
still limited. So the whole purpose of

4543
03:09:45,359 --> 03:09:49,920
the MBA was to provide

4544
03:09:49,920 --> 03:09:52,319
requirements to facilitate the

4545
03:09:52,319 --> 03:09:54,560
development right that maybe elaborated

4546
03:09:54,560 --> 03:09:57,840
on our current C2 zone for instance so

4547
03:09:57,840 --> 03:10:00,399
that we don't have

4548
03:10:00,399 --> 03:10:04,160
just in code to protect it. We had a

4549
03:10:04,160 --> 03:10:08,000
document to rely on these going to look

4550
03:10:08,000 --> 03:10:10,800
like right for instance elevation

4551
03:10:10,800 --> 03:10:13,760
architectural design buildings wanted to

4552
03:10:13,760 --> 03:10:16,319
be able to make sure you know we're

4553
03:10:16,319 --> 03:10:18,399
going to privacy too we don't want them

4554
03:10:18,399 --> 03:10:20,080
to build whatever building they want we

4555
03:10:20,080 --> 03:10:22,240
want to see what it looks like it feels

4556
03:10:22,240 --> 03:10:24,479
like that's

4557
03:10:24,479 --> 03:10:26,880
>> well and that's and that's fair but I I

4558
03:10:26,880 --> 03:10:28,080
still want to make the point that

4559
03:10:28,080 --> 03:10:30,000
there's a lot of stuff in there that

4560
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:32,399
talks about phasing of the projects

4561
03:10:32,399 --> 03:10:33,279
there's a lot

4562
03:10:33,279 --> 03:10:36,640
talking about um you know time frames.

4563
03:10:36,640 --> 03:10:38,399
There's you know there there's things in

4564
03:10:38,399 --> 03:10:41,520
there that honestly are just above our

4565
03:10:41,520 --> 03:10:43,680
understanding that I don't feel

4566
03:10:43,680 --> 03:10:46,880
comfortable saying hey we you know well

4567
03:10:46,880 --> 03:10:48,880
first we're like we don't want to we

4568
03:10:48,880 --> 03:10:50,399
don't want the flex shoes we were

4569
03:10:50,399 --> 03:10:52,640
talking about R3 north and west side

4570
03:10:52,640 --> 03:10:54,640
keeping the 40%. That's great that we

4571
03:10:54,640 --> 03:10:56,560
can make all those recommendations. It's

4572
03:10:56,560 --> 03:10:59,359
all the other stuff that's in there that

4573
03:10:59,359 --> 03:11:01,680
I don't think any of us are well I'm not

4574
03:11:01,680 --> 03:11:03,279
I can't speak for anybody else. I'm not

4575
03:11:03,279 --> 03:11:07,200
prepared to approve because I don't know

4576
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:09,439
all or understand it. It's a big

4577
03:11:09,439 --> 03:11:12,880
document, right? It's 85 pages of legal

4578
03:11:12,880 --> 03:11:19,590
leads that

4579
03:11:19,600 --> 03:11:23,200
I agree. I mean, I don't think that we

4580
03:11:23,200 --> 03:11:24,880
have I don't think we understand it well

4581
03:11:24,880 --> 03:11:27,279
enough to give it a full approval. Um,

4582
03:11:27,279 --> 03:11:28,800
whether we can get to the point where we

4583
03:11:28,800 --> 03:11:30,720
can approve it based on conditions or we

4584
03:11:30,720 --> 03:11:33,359
deny it based on the discussion and they

4585
03:11:33,359 --> 03:11:35,439
understand where what we're what's

4586
03:11:35,439 --> 03:11:37,680
tripping us up. And I don't think we

4587
03:11:37,680 --> 03:11:39,200
necessarily have to break down every

4588
03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:42,000
element of the the DA to make a decision

4589
03:11:42,000 --> 03:11:43,439
one way or the other. we can approve or

4590
03:11:43,439 --> 03:11:45,680
deny it, but what I'd like to have is

4591
03:11:45,680 --> 03:11:47,439
some discussion on things that you saw

4592
03:11:47,439 --> 03:11:50,000
in there that you like and things that

4593
03:11:50,000 --> 03:11:52,560
you saw in there that you don't like.

4594
03:11:52,560 --> 03:11:54,160
That way, we can all kind of have a

4595
03:11:54,160 --> 03:11:56,240
discussion together and decide, you

4596
03:11:56,240 --> 03:11:57,760
know, what's the good, the bad, and the

4597
03:11:57,760 --> 03:12:00,560
ugly to be able to put our stamp on or

4598
03:12:00,560 --> 03:12:03,439
our denial on. And then we give those

4599
03:12:03,439 --> 03:12:05,279
stipulations to them based on what we

4600
03:12:05,279 --> 03:12:12,469
have concerns or or what we like.

4601
03:12:12,479 --> 03:12:14,479
So, I I took notes on a couple of things

4602
03:12:14,479 --> 03:12:15,760
that we've discussed already, and I'll

4603
03:12:15,760 --> 03:12:16,800
just tell you what I've got in here, so

4604
03:12:16,800 --> 03:12:18,640
we don't have to cover all that ground.

4605
03:12:18,640 --> 03:12:23,349
Um,

4606
03:12:23,359 --> 03:12:27,279
I don't multitask well.

4607
03:12:27,279 --> 03:12:30,000
Um, so a couple of the items that we put

4608
03:12:30,000 --> 03:12:33,120
in there, flexions denied, that is a C2

4609
03:12:33,120 --> 03:12:37,120
area as a request. um the buffer between

4610
03:12:37,120 --> 03:12:38,880
that area and the homes on the west

4611
03:12:38,880 --> 03:12:41,279
side. We want to make sure that if that

4612
03:12:41,279 --> 03:12:44,479
is a C2 area that there's still a a very

4613
03:12:44,479 --> 03:12:47,359
strategic and good buffer between the

4614
03:12:47,359 --> 03:12:52,640
homes on the west side. Um

4615
03:12:52,640 --> 03:12:54,640
we want to recommend a meeting with the

4616
03:12:54,640 --> 03:12:57,680
council and commission to discuss this

4617
03:12:57,680 --> 03:13:00,080
fully. Whether they choose to have us in

4618
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:01,520
on that discussion or not, that's up to

4619
03:13:01,520 --> 03:13:04,399
them. Um around the other things around

4620
03:13:04,399 --> 03:13:07,680
residential uh we talked about the on

4621
03:13:07,680 --> 03:13:10,399
the north and west side and the PUD area

4622
03:13:10,399 --> 03:13:14,319
keeping open space at 40% keep frontage

4623
03:13:14,319 --> 03:13:18,710
at 100%

4624
03:13:18,720 --> 03:13:20,319
» or excuse me

4625
03:13:20,319 --> 03:13:21,600
She's asking me to slow down just

4626
03:13:21,600 --> 03:13:24,319
slightly.

4627
03:13:24,319 --> 03:13:29,269
>> Sorry.

4628
03:13:29,279 --> 03:13:31,760
Um

4629
03:13:31,760 --> 03:13:33,600
so I

4630
03:13:33,600 --> 03:13:35,439
if you guys are okay I'll share thoughts

4631
03:13:35,439 --> 03:13:37,040
I've got specifically around the

4632
03:13:37,040 --> 03:13:38,640
commercial.

4633
03:13:38,640 --> 03:13:40,880
So um I do have a little bit of

4634
03:13:40,880 --> 03:13:43,040
experience with with big box retail.

4635
03:13:43,040 --> 03:13:45,279
Right. So, some things that I think we

4636
03:13:45,279 --> 03:13:48,080
need to consider is noise and time

4637
03:13:48,080 --> 03:13:50,800
consideration around, you know, if this

4638
03:13:50,800 --> 03:13:52,319
development goes through, are we going

4639
03:13:52,319 --> 03:13:54,560
to allow 24-hour trucks? Are we going to

4640
03:13:54,560 --> 03:13:57,279
allow idling? Are we going to allow

4641
03:13:57,279 --> 03:13:59,680
dumpster use after certain times to keep

4642
03:13:59,680 --> 03:14:02,880
quiet? Um, obviously, there's a lighting

4643
03:14:02,880 --> 03:14:05,600
discussion that's a little above

4644
03:14:05,600 --> 03:14:09,840
my understanding. Um,

4645
03:14:09,840 --> 03:14:11,680
one of the things that Malcolm had

4646
03:14:11,680 --> 03:14:13,680
discussed with some of us earlier was

4647
03:14:13,680 --> 03:14:16,720
the landscaping. So, you know, the I

4648
03:14:16,720 --> 03:14:18,000
know there's differences in different

4649
03:14:18,000 --> 03:14:19,920
cities. If you go to Clinton, for

4650
03:14:19,920 --> 03:14:21,760
example, and look at what they require

4651
03:14:21,760 --> 03:14:24,960
for landscaping, it's pretty it's pretty

4652
03:14:24,960 --> 03:14:27,520
severe in a good way. It it looks

4653
03:14:27,520 --> 03:14:29,040
amazing. They require a lot of

4654
03:14:29,040 --> 03:14:30,399
landscaping. So, I think that's

4655
03:14:30,399 --> 03:14:31,680
something that we need to discuss as

4656
03:14:31,680 --> 03:14:36,319
well in the in the commercial. So, that

4657
03:14:36,319 --> 03:14:39,200
exterior events and storage. When you

4658
03:14:39,200 --> 03:14:41,439
think about big boxes, do we want to

4659
03:14:41,439 --> 03:14:43,200
allow parking lot sales? Do we want to

4660
03:14:43,200 --> 03:14:45,040
allow them to be able to put things in

4661
03:14:45,040 --> 03:14:47,439
their parking lot year round or by

4662
03:14:47,439 --> 03:14:49,840
permit only? So, when you think about

4663
03:14:49,840 --> 03:14:51,040
fireworks,

4664
03:14:51,040 --> 03:14:52,560
>> uh

4665
03:14:52,560 --> 03:14:54,000
well, that's still through business

4666
03:14:54,000 --> 03:14:55,840
licenses, but they can have their own

4667
03:14:55,840 --> 03:14:59,359
like season.

4668
03:14:59,359 --> 03:15:00,800
>> Yeah. Things like that if you want to

4669
03:15:00,800 --> 03:15:02,319
allow that. So, I think those are

4670
03:15:02,319 --> 03:15:07,750
discussions around like parking lotes.

4671
03:15:07,760 --> 03:15:09,680
summarize that

4672
03:15:09,680 --> 03:15:13,439
we need an outdoor display

4673
03:15:13,439 --> 03:15:18,000
that some provide outdoor display. Okay.

4674
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:30,630
We also talked about the signage.

4675
03:15:30,640 --> 03:15:34,070
» What else?

4676
03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:37,760
Something about uh occupied owner. No, renting.

4677
03:15:37,760 --> 03:15:39,040
>> Oh, the residential.

4678
03:15:39,040 --> 03:15:40,960
>> Res

4679
03:15:40,960 --> 03:15:44,399
title uh owner occupancy.

4680
03:15:44,399 --> 03:15:45,279
>> Yeah.

4681
03:15:45,279 --> 03:15:47,680
So deep reserving.

4682
03:15:47,680 --> 03:15:49,120
>> That's that's one of the things that I

4683
03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:50,720
had in there because they do mention

4684
03:15:50,720 --> 03:15:54,000
some stuff in there about um no s no

4685
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:57,200
short-term rentals 30 days or less um

4686
03:15:57,200 --> 03:15:58,800
that are restricted. And then the other

4687
03:15:58,800 --> 03:16:02,399
one was investment owners could not own

4688
03:16:02,399 --> 03:16:04,399
more than two units. And then the other

4689
03:16:04,399 --> 03:16:06,720
piece was

4690
03:16:06,720 --> 03:16:08,640
it it was pretty vague on the final

4691
03:16:08,640 --> 03:16:10,399
piece of it that stated something along

4692
03:16:10,399 --> 03:16:13,439
the lines of not allowing or or

4693
03:16:13,439 --> 03:16:16,399
discouraging rental occupancy or

4694
03:16:16,399 --> 03:16:18,880
something along those lines. But I I

4695
03:16:18,880 --> 03:16:20,880
would like to know and maybe it's a Nick

4696
03:16:20,880 --> 03:16:24,399
question. What's are are we allowed to

4697
03:16:24,399 --> 03:16:30,319
put some kind of a time frame on that discussion? Like can

4698
03:16:30,319 --> 03:16:32,560
we say it has to be owner occupied for x

4699
03:16:32,560 --> 03:16:34,720
amount of years or is that are there

4700
03:16:34,720 --> 03:16:36,960
other legalities that block that

4701
03:16:36,960 --> 03:16:38,399
restriction?

4702
03:16:38,399 --> 03:16:41,120
>> Yeah, those are those are interesting um

4703
03:16:41,120 --> 03:16:44,560
for a couple reasons. One is um they

4704
03:16:44,560 --> 03:16:47,600
sometimes run a foul of

4705
03:16:47,600 --> 03:16:50,880
fair housing items there but also uh

4706
03:16:50,880 --> 03:16:52,720
it's just matter of enforcement is

4707
03:16:52,720 --> 03:16:57,040
really challenging for the city. If you want to give the council some

4708
03:16:57,040 --> 03:16:59,200
direction whether you approve or deny

4709
03:16:59,200 --> 03:17:01,600
like please beef this up to the extent

4710
03:17:01,600 --> 03:17:04,560
you can uh Mr. Curtis Darren and I are

4711
03:17:04,560 --> 03:17:07,600
happy to look at that and work with Mr.

4712
03:17:07,600 --> 03:17:10,399
Jenkins get that as as robust as we can

4713
03:17:10,399 --> 03:17:13,439
for sure. Would the compliance piece of

4714
03:17:13,439 --> 03:17:15,359
that fall on the city or would it fall

4715
03:17:15,359 --> 03:17:17,200
on the HOA or would it I mean it's kind

4716
03:17:17,200 --> 03:17:18,399
of our headache at the end of the day

4717
03:17:18,399 --> 03:17:20,560
whether the HOA

4718
03:17:20,560 --> 03:17:22,640
handles it or not? But is that

4719
03:17:22,640 --> 03:17:24,880
technically an HOA problem and then we

4720
03:17:24,880 --> 03:17:26,160
would have to step in if they weren't

4721
03:17:26,160 --> 03:17:27,920
enforcing it or vice versa?

4722
03:17:27,920 --> 03:17:29,680
>> Yeah, I mean you could require that. You

4723
03:17:29,680 --> 03:17:32,000
could draft that in a number of ways. At

4724
03:17:32,000 --> 03:17:33,840
the end of the day, if it's something

4725
03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:35,520
the city cares about, it's something the

4726
03:17:35,520 --> 03:17:38,160
city's going to have to monitor.

4727
03:17:38,160 --> 03:17:39,840
I mean you can certainly give a lot of

4728
03:17:39,840 --> 03:17:42,239
that responsibility to the HOA but that

4729
03:17:42,239 --> 03:17:44,640
will depend on how much the HOA actually

4730
03:17:44,640 --> 03:17:47,359
cares about.

4731
03:17:47,359 --> 03:17:50,319
>> So I was asking well are you done same

4732
03:17:50,319 --> 03:17:52,960
topic or new topic? I was going to bring

4733
03:17:52,960 --> 03:17:55,200
up a new topic too. Um definitely a

4734
03:17:55,200 --> 03:17:58,000
piece of the agreement that I do not

4735
03:17:58,000 --> 03:18:01,040
like is on page 19 it states third party

4736
03:18:01,040 --> 03:18:02,560
inspector.

4737
03:18:02,560 --> 03:18:05,359
I don't love that idea. that it I would

4738
03:18:05,359 --> 03:18:07,359
rather have our inspectors that we know

4739
03:18:07,359 --> 03:18:09,680
and trust and have our best interest in

4740
03:18:09,680 --> 03:18:12,239
mind. Not that we think that we're going

4741
03:18:12,239 --> 03:18:14,080
to have problems with the developer, but

4742
03:18:14,080 --> 03:18:16,080
because we know what we want and we know

4743
03:18:16,080 --> 03:18:18,080
we we've set standards in place and

4744
03:18:18,080 --> 03:18:20,239
hired and trusted and trained someone to

4745
03:18:20,239 --> 03:18:22,640
protect us.

4746
03:18:22,640 --> 03:18:24,960
>> Prior language in earlier versions had

4747
03:18:24,960 --> 03:18:26,720
that as our public works director. So, I

4748
03:18:26,720 --> 03:18:28,160
had a similar question. I think we

4749
03:18:28,160 --> 03:18:30,560
probably go back to that

4750
03:18:30,560 --> 03:18:32,239
unless there's a different answer.

4751
03:18:32,239 --> 03:18:34,560
>> Yeah, I don't I don't mind that. I just

4752
03:18:34,560 --> 03:18:36,800
don't like the current language that

4753
03:18:36,800 --> 03:18:38,560
states

4754
03:18:38,560 --> 03:18:40,880
um the developer shall have the option

4755
03:18:40,880 --> 03:18:43,359
at the developer's discretion to retain

4756
03:18:43,359 --> 03:18:46,960
a third party um inspector. And and kind

4757
03:18:46,960 --> 03:18:48,800
of my thoughts on that is, you know, in

4758
03:18:48,800 --> 03:18:50,560
my professional career, I've had some

4759
03:18:50,560 --> 03:18:52,560
time being a third party inspector for

4760
03:18:52,560 --> 03:18:54,479
municipalities.

4761
03:18:54,479 --> 03:18:56,160
And

4762
03:18:56,160 --> 03:18:58,640
we always ran our business 100% honest

4763
03:18:58,640 --> 03:19:00,479
and forth for forthright, but at the end

4764
03:19:00,479 --> 03:19:01,920
of the day, you still answer the person

4765
03:19:01,920 --> 03:19:04,239
that's paying your bills. Like you want

4766
03:19:04,239 --> 03:19:07,279
to protect your integrity at all costs

4767
03:19:07,279 --> 03:19:09,840
in everything that you do, but at the

4768
03:19:09,840 --> 03:19:12,720
end of the day, you're going to you

4769
03:19:12,720 --> 03:19:14,399
might phrase something in a way that

4770
03:19:14,399 --> 03:19:15,760
protects the developer more than it

4771
03:19:15,760 --> 03:19:17,120
protects the city, even if it's an

4772
03:19:17,120 --> 03:19:20,560
honest statement, if that makes sense.

4773
03:19:20,560 --> 03:19:22,319
So, I don't like that at all. I would I

4774
03:19:22,319 --> 03:19:24,399
would vote I

4775
03:19:24,399 --> 03:19:26,880
deny the whole third party inspection

4776
03:19:26,880 --> 03:19:32,950
portion of it.

4777
03:19:32,960 --> 03:19:35,680
Tucker, you had something else too.

4778
03:19:35,680 --> 03:19:37,760
I think I

4779
03:19:37,760 --> 03:19:40,000
um I'm just looking at the lot of uses

4780
03:19:40,000 --> 03:19:44,960
in our PUB code. Um one is so dwelling

4781
03:19:44,960 --> 03:19:47,120
multif family dwelling single family

4782
03:19:47,120 --> 03:19:50,160
attached duplex

4783
03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:51,920
dwelling single family attached twin

4784
03:19:51,920 --> 03:19:53,840
home and

4785
03:19:53,840 --> 03:19:56,960
All those are permitted. So I wonder

4786
03:19:56,960 --> 03:19:58,720
can you define what a dwelling multif

4787
03:19:58,720 --> 03:20:00,880
family is?

4788
03:20:00,880 --> 03:20:05,429
That would be an apartment.

4789
03:20:05,439 --> 03:20:08,000
» That mean well I guess yeah I guess if

4790
03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:10,399
we were to say stuff in there I think

4791
03:20:10,399 --> 03:20:14,000
the four if there is some type of four

4792
03:20:14,000 --> 03:20:16,319
pack six pack four would be the max but

4793
03:20:16,319 --> 03:20:17,920
I almost want to kind of say is like no

4794
03:20:17,920 --> 03:20:20,800
I think just to try to figure out patio

4795
03:20:20,800 --> 03:20:22,800
to make those work maybe have them over

4796
03:20:22,800 --> 03:20:26,960
here they work great. Um so in my mind I

4797
03:20:26,960 --> 03:20:32,150
think in this development agreement

4798
03:20:32,160 --> 03:20:35,600
we would say you have to use that

4799
03:20:35,600 --> 03:20:37,920
instead of

4800
03:20:37,920 --> 03:20:43,110
which is right

4801
03:20:43,120 --> 03:20:44,800
» it's a structure containing three or

4802
03:20:44,800 --> 03:20:46,479
four single family dwelling units

4803
03:20:46,479 --> 03:20:49,040
attached by common walls with a single

4804
03:20:49,040 --> 03:20:51,439
structure with yard space on each side.

4805
03:20:51,439 --> 03:20:52,880
So I think we're talking about basically

4806
03:20:52,880 --> 03:20:56,399
town hall. Okay.

4807
03:20:56,399 --> 03:20:59,200
Right. I mean,

4808
03:20:59,200 --> 03:21:01,680
I think if we did, if this does end up

4809
03:21:01,680 --> 03:21:03,680
going through, I think people don't want

4810
03:21:03,680 --> 03:21:06,319
I don't people don't like the town homes

4811
03:21:06,319 --> 03:21:08,080
cuz they can be taller. Like the patio

4812
03:21:08,080 --> 03:21:10,080
homes are more they're they're smaller,

4813
03:21:10,080 --> 03:21:12,080
they're flat. This development, I think,

4814
03:21:12,080 --> 03:21:14,239
turned out really great. And in my mind,

4815
03:21:14,239 --> 03:21:16,640
that's what would go really well there

4816
03:21:16,640 --> 03:21:21,520
along with some um bigger lots. The R3

4817
03:21:21,520 --> 03:21:22,960
or R2.

4818
03:21:22,960 --> 03:21:25,359
>> R3. Yeah.

4819
03:21:25,359 --> 03:21:29,439
So I if that if I only prove that was

4820
03:21:29,439 --> 03:21:31,200
something in there. No no town hall, no

4821
03:21:31,200 --> 03:21:37,830
apartments, no nothing like that.

4822
03:21:37,840 --> 03:21:41,600
Um I've got a couple of requests too

4823
03:21:41,600 --> 03:21:44,560
around kind of the phasing portion. It's

4824
03:21:44,560 --> 03:21:48,479
not it's not as clear in there about how

4825
03:21:48,479 --> 03:21:49,920
much of the commercial would need to be

4826
03:21:49,920 --> 03:21:52,160
built out in relation to how much of the

4827
03:21:52,160 --> 03:21:54,720
residential is built out. What we don't

4828
03:21:54,720 --> 03:21:59,120
want is x amount of rooftops with no

4829
03:21:59,120 --> 03:22:01,359
commercial. The commercial should be our

4830
03:22:01,359 --> 03:22:04,319
priority. So I don't know they amended

4831
03:22:04,319 --> 03:22:06,319
>> they did amend that in with this most

4832
03:22:06,319 --> 03:22:08,800
recent recent release. Okay. The phasing

4833
03:22:08,800 --> 03:22:10,720
says that the developer shall not be

4834
03:22:10,720 --> 03:22:12,720
granted a certificate of occupancy for

4835
03:22:12,720 --> 03:22:14,720
more than 30% of the residential

4836
03:22:14,720 --> 03:22:17,520
property before 50% of the commercial

4837
03:22:17,520 --> 03:22:20,000
property has received a certificate of

4838
03:22:20,000 --> 03:22:21,040
occupancy. Okay.

4839
03:22:21,040 --> 03:22:22,640
>> So there there is an element of that.

4840
03:22:22,640 --> 03:22:24,160
But the one thing that I fear with that

4841
03:22:24,160 --> 03:22:27,359
element of it and again this is above

4842
03:22:27,359 --> 03:22:29,040
our pay grade. We're reading into this

4843
03:22:29,040 --> 03:22:33,200
document and we're not lawyers. But I

4844
03:22:33,200 --> 03:22:34,479
feel like there's a little bit of a

4845
03:22:34,479 --> 03:22:39,200
loophole in it that is in section 4.1.4

4846
03:22:39,200 --> 03:22:41,439
that says

4847
03:22:41,439 --> 03:22:43,200
uh prior to the approval of the final

4848
03:22:43,200 --> 03:22:46,880
subdivision plat more than

4849
03:22:46,880 --> 03:22:48,319
building permits that would result in

4850
03:22:48,319 --> 03:22:50,399
more than 70% of the total residential

4851
03:22:50,399 --> 03:22:52,880
dwelling units with the project

4852
03:22:52,880 --> 03:22:54,399
receiving building permits. If

4853
03:22:54,399 --> 03:22:56,000
substantial vertical commercial

4854
03:22:56,000 --> 03:22:58,319
construction is not convinced, the

4855
03:22:58,319 --> 03:23:00,319
developer and the city shall meet with a

4856
03:23:00,319 --> 03:23:02,479
good faith review and it lists a bunch

4857
03:23:02,479 --> 03:23:04,000
of conditions there that are basically

4858
03:23:04,000 --> 03:23:06,160
saying like, well, they've tried really

4859
03:23:06,160 --> 03:23:08,000
hard, but they haven't been able to do

4860
03:23:08,000 --> 03:23:09,760
the commercial piece. So, we're just

4861
03:23:09,760 --> 03:23:11,120
going to let them do the residential

4862
03:23:11,120 --> 03:23:13,279
anyway. And I don't love that that it

4863
03:23:13,279 --> 03:23:16,160
provides a loophole to then just say,

4864
03:23:16,160 --> 03:23:18,080
"Well, we tried. It didn't work. The

4865
03:23:18,080 --> 03:23:19,520
market's not allowing it. The corridor

4866
03:23:19,520 --> 03:23:21,279
is not coming yet. We're just going to

4867
03:23:21,279 --> 03:23:22,880
build houses in the back and the front's

4868
03:23:22,880 --> 03:23:24,160
just going to be an empty field. It's an

4869
03:23:24,160 --> 03:23:26,239
eyesore for the next 10, 15, 20 years

4870
03:23:26,239 --> 03:23:28,479
until the quarter makes its way here.

4871
03:23:28,479 --> 03:23:29,680
Whether that's accelerated or

4872
03:23:29,680 --> 03:23:31,760
decelerates the state's decision, but I

4873
03:23:31,760 --> 03:23:33,200
don't love that there's a loophole that

4874
03:23:33,200 --> 03:23:35,120
kind of allows for that piece not to

4875
03:23:35,120 --> 03:23:36,080
matter. Okay,

4876
03:23:36,080 --> 03:23:37,359
>> that's a really good catch. That was

4877
03:23:37,359 --> 03:23:39,040
unintentional as we've gone through

4878
03:23:39,040 --> 03:23:44,870
that. So, thank you.

4879
03:23:44,880 --> 03:23:47,279
» Um I I I

4880
03:23:47,279 --> 03:23:50,560
also get a general feeling in there

4881
03:23:50,560 --> 03:23:52,560
that

4882
03:23:52,560 --> 03:23:55,200
they don't want public city inspections.

4883
03:23:55,200 --> 03:23:57,840
They don't want regular check-ins on how

4884
03:23:57,840 --> 03:23:59,760
the development's going. And I think

4885
03:23:59,760 --> 03:24:01,920
that's important. I think the city needs

4886
03:24:01,920 --> 03:24:04,239
to be very involved with that. Talk

4887
03:24:04,239 --> 03:24:06,160
about commercial occupancy, like

4888
03:24:06,160 --> 03:24:08,640
residential occupancy,

4889
03:24:08,640 --> 03:24:10,640
you know, how far along they are in each

4890
03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:12,160
project. And I think there needs to be

4891
03:24:12,160 --> 03:24:15,040
regular check-ins on that and and

4892
03:24:15,040 --> 03:24:18,319
benchmarks that the city sets is

4893
03:24:18,319 --> 03:24:20,000
reasonable. Obviously, You can't build

4894
03:24:20,000 --> 03:24:28,150
out what doesn't sell. But

4895
03:24:28,160 --> 03:24:32,000
» yeah, one thing I think I I don't mean

4896
03:24:32,000 --> 03:24:33,439
like we should try to use our existing

4897
03:24:33,439 --> 03:24:36,239
code as much we can. I know they change

4898
03:24:36,239 --> 03:24:38,319
want to change a few things, but I mean

4899
03:24:38,319 --> 03:24:41,120
I like the 100 foot frontage. I like

4900
03:24:41,120 --> 03:24:43,040
maybe one thing I would maybe have a

4901
03:24:43,040 --> 03:24:45,520
discussion about is maybe 40%'s not the

4902
03:24:45,520 --> 03:24:46,800
right answer. Maybe we need to go down a

4903
03:24:46,800 --> 03:24:48,560
little more. Whether or not I say I

4904
03:24:48,560 --> 03:24:51,200
think we follow our existing

4905
03:24:51,200 --> 03:24:54,640
zones that we have instead of

4906
03:24:54,640 --> 03:24:56,399
making these other ones.

4907
03:24:56,399 --> 03:25:00,560
>> Well, to that 40% piece, I mean, if if

4908
03:25:00,560 --> 03:25:02,720
we passed with our existing codes that

4909
03:25:02,720 --> 03:25:04,560
can some city council like, hey, we want

4910
03:25:04,560 --> 03:25:05,600
to see the mockup.

4911
03:25:05,600 --> 03:25:08,800
>> Yeah. What that looks like with our 40%.

4912
03:25:08,800 --> 03:25:09,200
Yeah.

4913
03:25:09,200 --> 03:25:10,800
>> And then they can

4914
03:25:10,800 --> 03:25:13,520
>> they can change it from that point. So I

4915
03:25:13,520 --> 03:25:15,840
think we start at 40 and see what that

4916
03:25:15,840 --> 03:25:18,640
looks like and you know put that on the

4917
03:25:18,640 --> 03:25:20,960
developer to take you know if if we

4918
03:25:20,960 --> 03:25:23,040
don't like that then we can go the other

4919
03:25:23,040 --> 03:25:23,680
direction.

4920
03:25:23,680 --> 03:25:25,359
>> I agree with that. We're almost working

4921
03:25:25,359 --> 03:25:27,920
backwards against our favor. Let's let's

4922
03:25:27,920 --> 03:25:29,520
start where we can see what we would

4923
03:25:29,520 --> 03:25:31,520
love to see like as our maximum

4924
03:25:31,520 --> 03:25:33,920
potential and work. That's a great

4925
03:25:33,920 --> 03:25:37,429
point.

4926
03:25:37,439 --> 03:25:40,080
Um, I just think the city funding I

4927
03:25:40,080 --> 03:25:43,040
think is very important mentioned this.

4928
03:25:43,040 --> 03:25:46,080
Um, I don't I don't like the CRA, the

4929
03:25:46,080 --> 03:25:48,720
TIFFs, the PIDs, the you name it,

4930
03:25:48,720 --> 03:25:51,120
whatever it is. I just I feel like it

4931
03:25:51,120 --> 03:25:55,439
sets sets the city up for

4932
03:25:55,439 --> 03:25:57,520
just problems.

4933
03:25:57,520 --> 03:25:58,800
>> Is that anything that's even going to

4934
03:25:58,800 --> 03:26:01,040
come before us

4935
03:26:01,040 --> 03:26:03,680
>> on that portion? I still want Yeah, I

4936
03:26:03,680 --> 03:26:05,680
still want to I still want to express

4937
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:06,160
our opinion.

4938
03:26:06,160 --> 03:26:07,520
>> Yeah, I want to express my opinion on

4939
03:26:07,520 --> 03:26:09,600
it. I I just feel like developers coming

4940
03:26:09,600 --> 03:26:11,200
in, they should pay for their

4941
03:26:11,200 --> 03:26:13,600
infrastructure. I do, however, feel like

4942
03:26:13,600 --> 03:26:15,279
I mean this this is a great spot for

4943
03:26:15,279 --> 03:26:18,399
regional station. So, whatever's maybe

4944
03:26:18,399 --> 03:26:20,160
above and beyond what the developer

4945
03:26:20,160 --> 03:26:21,840
needs, then maybe the city can figure

4946
03:26:21,840 --> 03:26:24,000
out some way to help fund it. Or we do

4947
03:26:24,000 --> 03:26:25,760
hiring agreements so that the

4948
03:26:25,760 --> 03:26:29,359
neighboring parcels they come in, they help pay that back to the

4949
03:26:29,359 --> 03:26:30,640
developer. I just don't feel like it

4950
03:26:30,640 --> 03:26:32,399
should fall in the city

4951
03:26:32,399 --> 03:26:34,319
>> to help build that at all whether any

4952
03:26:34,319 --> 03:26:35,279
roads, nothing.

4953
03:26:35,279 --> 03:26:36,319
>> I would agree.

4954
03:26:36,319 --> 03:26:38,960
>> Yep. I 100%. I'm I'm I personally am a

4955
03:26:38,960 --> 03:26:40,160
big proponent of the pioneering

4956
03:26:40,160 --> 03:26:41,120
agreement route.

4957
03:26:41,120 --> 03:26:43,120
>> I think it services the opportunity for

4958
03:26:43,120 --> 03:26:45,279
growth in other areas also. So it it not

4959
03:26:45,279 --> 03:26:46,960
only stimulates this current

4960
03:26:46,960 --> 03:26:48,319
development, but it'll stimulate the

4961
03:26:48,319 --> 03:26:49,600
growth around them for people that want

4962
03:26:49,600 --> 03:26:51,920
to use the lift station. It puts the the

4963
03:26:51,920 --> 03:26:55,120
responsibility on and the risk on the

4964
03:26:55,120 --> 03:26:56,960
developer. Like I don't think Hoofer is

4965
03:26:56,960 --> 03:26:59,840
in a position to take risks to that

4966
03:26:59,840 --> 03:27:02,239
nature or to that level to start

4967
03:27:02,239 --> 03:27:03,920
throwing money and bonds and other

4968
03:27:03,920 --> 03:27:06,319
things that ties us up for years and years.

4969
03:27:06,319 --> 03:27:06,800
>> Yeah.

4970
03:27:06,800 --> 03:27:08,479
>> I think that if we're going to recommend

4971
03:27:08,479 --> 03:27:10,479
any kind of an agreement around funding,

4972
03:27:10,479 --> 03:27:11,920
it needs to be more a pioneering

4973
03:27:11,920 --> 03:27:14,479
agreement um that will allow it to

4974
03:27:14,479 --> 03:27:16,640
happen and benefit us without the risk

4975
03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:21,269
all falling on our shoulders.

4976
03:27:21,279 --> 03:27:22,319
» We already mentioned getting rid of the

4977
03:27:22,319 --> 03:27:24,080
flex space, right?

4978
03:27:24,080 --> 03:27:25,920
I think we should get rid of it though.

4979
03:27:25,920 --> 03:27:26,960
>> I think we should get rid of it.

4980
03:27:26,960 --> 03:27:32,000
>> Yeah, it's Well, that's I I don't

4981
03:27:32,000 --> 03:27:33,600
that doesn't fall within any of our

4982
03:27:33,600 --> 03:27:35,920
zoning recommendations.

4983
03:27:35,920 --> 03:27:38,080
>> Correct.

4984
03:27:38,080 --> 03:27:39,760
>> Well, they can still Yeah, the council

4985
03:27:39,760 --> 03:27:44,950
can change that if they wish.

4986
03:27:44,960 --> 03:27:46,319
» Anything else you guys are seeing in

4987
03:27:46,319 --> 03:27:47,920
there?

4988
03:27:47,920 --> 03:27:50,160
So, I just feel like obviously it's a

4989
03:27:50,160 --> 03:27:51,600
big long list and I think that's this

4990
03:27:51,600 --> 03:27:54,560
would be a a good to give them reference

4991
03:27:54,560 --> 03:27:57,439
for approval with this lost.

4992
03:27:57,439 --> 03:27:59,439
Um just curious. So this would be

4993
03:27:59,439 --> 03:28:01,600
whether there's three options, right?

4994
03:28:01,600 --> 03:28:03,600
Approve, reject

4995
03:28:03,600 --> 03:28:08,000
or table or deny. Sorry. If you if you

4996
03:28:08,000 --> 03:28:09,439
do one of the first two, we don't see

4997
03:28:09,439 --> 03:28:12,160
the this DA.

4998
03:28:12,160 --> 03:28:14,000
>> Yeah. Under any of them, it's

4999
03:28:14,000 --> 03:28:15,040
potentially

5000
03:28:15,040 --> 03:28:16,239
>> even the table.

5001
03:28:16,239 --> 03:28:19,600
>> Well, you can table it. Yeah. But I

5002
03:28:19,600 --> 03:28:22,000
don't I'm not here

5003
03:28:22,000 --> 03:28:24,239
He he would he's asked that we not do

5004
03:28:24,239 --> 03:28:25,120
that.

5005
03:28:25,120 --> 03:28:26,640
>> Um

5006
03:28:26,640 --> 03:28:30,720
and I think without without advocating

5007
03:28:30,720 --> 03:28:34,160
for him, the problem that puts him in is

5008
03:28:34,160 --> 03:28:36,319
his his project can't move forward.

5009
03:28:36,319 --> 03:28:37,600
>> He has to come back to us.

5010
03:28:37,600 --> 03:28:40,880
>> Have to come back and and he's I think

5011
03:28:40,880 --> 03:28:42,960
expressed that he's trying to be patient

5012
03:28:42,960 --> 03:28:45,279
through this process. But it's it's now

5013
03:28:45,279 --> 03:28:46,720
reached the point where they're either

5014
03:28:46,720 --> 03:28:50,000
going to start putting in a lot more

5015
03:28:50,000 --> 03:28:52,080
money

5016
03:28:52,080 --> 03:28:53,200
leave the project

5017
03:28:53,200 --> 03:28:55,760
>> there is it is important there is code

5018
03:28:55,760 --> 03:28:58,960
right it

5019
03:28:58,960 --> 03:29:00,479
code but at some point at table you

5020
03:29:00,479 --> 03:29:04,160
would you would have to have action

5021
03:29:04,160 --> 03:29:06,160
applications made funds have been you

5022
03:29:06,160 --> 03:29:08,479
have to make a motion at some point

5023
03:29:08,479 --> 03:29:10,800
>> yes

5024
03:29:10,800 --> 03:29:12,560
same table we have all this big old long

5025
03:29:12,560 --> 03:29:14,479
list like it'd be nice to see this again

5026
03:29:14,479 --> 03:29:16,399
before it goes to the city council which

5027
03:29:16,399 --> 03:29:17,920
I think brings up a good point it' be

5028
03:29:17,920 --> 03:29:20,399
awesome to have a joint session

5029
03:29:20,399 --> 03:29:21,840
to really talk about this.

5030
03:29:21,840 --> 03:29:23,439
>> Yeah, that's kind of my opinion. I don't

5031
03:29:23,439 --> 03:29:25,359
think that with our knowledge and skill

5032
03:29:25,359 --> 03:29:26,479
level, I don't think we're going to ever

5033
03:29:26,479 --> 03:29:28,479
fully understand this to that level.

5034
03:29:28,479 --> 03:29:30,399
That's why we have the city council as a

5035
03:29:30,399 --> 03:29:33,279
team with us. We have Nick and and staff

5036
03:29:33,279 --> 03:29:35,200
to kind of support us in it to help us

5037
03:29:35,200 --> 03:29:37,359
understand it fully. I think we either

5038
03:29:37,359 --> 03:29:40,800
going to approve or deny knowing I mean

5039
03:29:40,800 --> 03:29:43,520
to me what what the developer wants is

5040
03:29:43,520 --> 03:29:45,760
not necessarily going to move my

5041
03:29:45,760 --> 03:29:47,120
decision whether he wants us to table it

5042
03:29:47,120 --> 03:29:48,319
or not. But I don't think there's value

5043
03:29:48,319 --> 03:29:50,399
in tableing it from our perspective

5044
03:29:50,399 --> 03:29:51,680
because whether we see it again, we're

5045
03:29:51,680 --> 03:29:53,200
never going to fully understand it.

5046
03:29:53,200 --> 03:29:54,399
We're going to understand what we

5047
03:29:54,399 --> 03:29:56,000
understand, but let's have a bigger

5048
03:29:56,000 --> 03:29:57,920
discussion that can then build something

5049
03:29:57,920 --> 03:30:00,239
that either passes or fails at the city

5050
03:30:00,239 --> 03:30:05,910
council level.

5051
03:30:05,920 --> 03:30:08,319
» So if we if we deny you got all those

5052
03:30:08,319 --> 03:30:10,399
comments and you would be with those

5053
03:30:10,399 --> 03:30:12,880
that would be passed on to what you're

5054
03:30:12,880 --> 03:30:14,479
here obviously, but to also the city

5055
03:30:14,479 --> 03:30:17,920
council, they're here too. But Okay. So,

5056
03:30:17,920 --> 03:30:20,080
I I I'll make the motion. Any more

5057
03:30:20,080 --> 03:30:25,830
discussion?

5058
03:30:25,840 --> 03:30:27,120
» I don't know if you guys wanted to talk

5059
03:30:27,120 --> 03:30:28,640
about you talked about a lot of uses in

5060
03:30:28,640 --> 03:30:32,560
PUB. Maybe any C2 just

5061
03:30:32,560 --> 03:30:32,880
highlight.

5062
03:30:32,880 --> 03:30:34,640
>> Yeah, I think those things you mentioned

5063
03:30:34,640 --> 03:30:39,349
I think are are great.

5064
03:30:39,359 --> 03:30:42,800
Do you want to remind us about self

5065
03:30:42,800 --> 03:30:44,880
storage? There was all kinds of stuff.

5066
03:30:44,880 --> 03:30:48,630
>> There's some uh

5067
03:30:48,640 --> 03:30:51,359
self storage bars.

5068
03:30:51,359 --> 03:30:53,840
>> Yeah. So in the agreement the develop

5069
03:30:53,840 --> 03:30:56,160
the developer put forth in the agreement

5070
03:30:56,160 --> 03:30:57,920
auto truck recreational vehicle

5071
03:30:57,920 --> 03:31:00,080
equipment storage bar establishment size

5072
03:31:00,080 --> 03:31:02,399
people get business equipment rental and

5073
03:31:02,399 --> 03:31:05,520
supply commercial vehicle equipment. So

5074
03:31:05,520 --> 03:31:07,120
those ones are ones that they'll be

5075
03:31:07,120 --> 03:31:08,720
agreeable to. It's in their agreement.

5076
03:31:08,720 --> 03:31:10,880
But the ones in our code that we might

5077
03:31:10,880 --> 03:31:14,560
inadvertently not realize there's a

5078
03:31:14,560 --> 03:31:16,160
bar

5079
03:31:16,160 --> 03:31:18,080
or nightclub. That's one specific

5080
03:31:18,080 --> 03:31:23,279
contract yard inventory hotel or motel k

5081
03:31:23,279 --> 03:31:25,680
off street parking facility storage

5082
03:31:25,680 --> 03:31:28,880
facility self tower antenna structure

5083
03:31:28,880 --> 03:31:31,840
wasn't there one in there about a tattoo

5084
03:31:31,840 --> 03:31:35,040
>> oh I just was curious I don't

5085
03:31:35,040 --> 03:31:37,760
use ours but there's a lot of words

5086
03:31:37,760 --> 03:31:40,720
around sexually business

5087
03:31:40,720 --> 03:31:42,160
I didn't know what type of restrictions

5088
03:31:42,160 --> 03:31:51,670
we place on that or

5089
03:31:51,680 --> 03:31:53,359
So yeah, those are great. The other two

5090
03:31:53,359 --> 03:31:54,800
I don't know if we mentioned I we talked

5091
03:31:54,800 --> 03:31:56,800
about it in the other portion of the

5092
03:31:56,800 --> 03:31:59,840
agenda, but the if so we don't want the

5093
03:31:59,840 --> 03:32:01,600
mixed use for moving the commercial up.

5094
03:32:01,600 --> 03:32:05,120
So I would say we want the city council

5095
03:32:05,120 --> 03:32:07,920
strongly discuss having that nice

5096
03:32:07,920 --> 03:32:10,000
corridor like pedestrian corridor

5097
03:32:10,000 --> 03:32:11,520
between the commercial and the existing

5098
03:32:11,520 --> 03:32:13,040
homes.

5099
03:32:13,040 --> 03:32:14,640
Yeah, I think it's important even

5100
03:32:14,640 --> 03:32:15,840
throughout the entire development, I

5101
03:32:15,840 --> 03:32:17,520
guess, on that corridor to buffer the

5102
03:32:17,520 --> 03:32:19,120
west side, but even the pedestrian

5103
03:32:19,120 --> 03:32:21,439
connections in the entire development

5104
03:32:21,439 --> 03:32:23,040
kind of like we've discussed before in

5105
03:32:23,040 --> 03:32:25,600
other developments going in the area. I

5106
03:32:25,600 --> 03:32:26,720
think we want those connections

5107
03:32:26,720 --> 03:32:33,349
throughout the entire project.

5108
03:32:33,359 --> 03:32:40,389
So, just to throw this out here.

5109
03:32:40,399 --> 03:32:44,160
So, approve or we don't see this again.

5110
03:32:44,160 --> 03:32:46,000
It moves with our list of

5111
03:32:46,000 --> 03:32:48,640
recommendations or reasoning.

5112
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:49,840
>> If we table it,

5113
03:32:49,840 --> 03:32:51,920
>> if we prove or deny, we never see it

5114
03:32:51,920 --> 03:32:54,399
again. Where you go?

5115
03:32:54,399 --> 03:32:56,239
>> Well, because because we we have to we

5116
03:32:56,239 --> 03:32:57,760
have to take an action one direction or

5117
03:32:57,760 --> 03:33:00,479
another, but we can also table and I

5118
03:33:00,479 --> 03:33:02,720
know that's not what the developer

5119
03:33:02,720 --> 03:33:04,800
prefers, but that's not it's not all

5120
03:33:04,800 --> 03:33:07,120
about the developer. It's about us and

5121
03:33:07,120 --> 03:33:10,720
Hooker as well. So, if we table it, we

5122
03:33:10,720 --> 03:33:13,920
can take more time to review this on our

5123
03:33:13,920 --> 03:33:16,800
own because I I I'll tell you right now,

5124
03:33:16,800 --> 03:33:18,800
I wouldn't support I wouldn't support

5125
03:33:18,800 --> 03:33:20,319
this right now because there is so much

5126
03:33:20,319 --> 03:33:22,720
in there that I don't understand and and

5127
03:33:22,720 --> 03:33:26,720
I I want to understand it. Like I I

5128
03:33:26,720 --> 03:33:28,319
don't I don't necessarily want to deny

5129
03:33:28,319 --> 03:33:31,200
it and send it to the city council for

5130
03:33:31,200 --> 03:33:34,479
them to try and work through either.

5131
03:33:34,479 --> 03:33:36,319
Ideally, I would like to work with the

5132
03:33:36,319 --> 03:33:40,399
city council, with all of us, and create

5133
03:33:40,399 --> 03:33:42,319
that list of what we want, what we don't

5134
03:33:42,319 --> 03:33:44,080
want, what we do agree to, and what we

5135
03:33:44,080 --> 03:33:46,239
don't agree to. And I know this kicks

5136
03:33:46,239 --> 03:33:48,720
the can down the road a little bit more,

5137
03:33:48,720 --> 03:33:51,120
but it and I know that's inconvenient

5138
03:33:51,120 --> 03:33:53,439
for these folks,

5139
03:33:53,439 --> 03:33:56,160
but it's it's something we could look

5140
03:33:56,160 --> 03:34:00,150
at.

5141
03:34:00,160 --> 03:34:04,960
» I like that idea. That way they could take all these big old

5142
03:34:04,960 --> 03:34:06,880
laundry list of concerns that we had.

5143
03:34:06,880 --> 03:34:09,520
They could try to adjust as a DA and we

5144
03:34:09,520 --> 03:34:11,040
can also talk and hopefully have a

5145
03:34:11,040 --> 03:34:16,160
meeting a joint meeting. I think that's a smart and wise decision

5146
03:34:16,160 --> 03:34:19,439
and we I have two other people here on

5147
03:34:19,439 --> 03:34:21,359
the planning commission hopefully too.

5148
03:34:21,359 --> 03:34:23,040
Yeah, I would agree that I'm not ready

5149
03:34:23,040 --> 03:34:25,200
to approve it by any means. There's far

5150
03:34:25,200 --> 03:34:26,880
too many conditions to place on a

5151
03:34:26,880 --> 03:34:29,120
conditional approval. So I mean to me

5152
03:34:29,120 --> 03:34:32,479
it's definitely a denial at this point.

5153
03:34:32,479 --> 03:34:34,160
>> Well and whether we approve or deny it

5154
03:34:34,160 --> 03:34:34,880
doesn't matter.

5155
03:34:34,880 --> 03:34:35,520
>> Agreed.

5156
03:34:35,520 --> 03:34:37,760
>> It's whether we approve to die or table.

5157
03:34:37,760 --> 03:34:40,479
That's the two differences because if we

5158
03:34:40,479 --> 03:34:44,080
table we get to see it again and we can

5159
03:34:44,080 --> 03:34:48,229
talk more about it.

5160
03:34:48,239 --> 03:34:52,319
Don't you think even if we council's

5161
03:34:52,319 --> 03:34:58,720
amable to including us in discretion? I think so. I really do.

5162
03:34:58,720 --> 03:35:00,720
>> I do too.

5163
03:35:00,720 --> 03:35:04,399
But I I don't I I feel like I almost

5164
03:35:04,399 --> 03:35:07,680
feel like this gives us us approving or

5165
03:35:07,680 --> 03:35:09,760
denying almost gives us the well, it's

5166
03:35:09,760 --> 03:35:12,560
on the city council now and you know to

5167
03:35:12,560 --> 03:35:15,439
do it. Yeah. I mean, they can choose to

5168
03:35:15,439 --> 03:35:17,040
include us in that. I think they would,

5169
03:35:17,040 --> 03:35:19,920
but I I don't know. It's just something

5170
03:35:19,920 --> 03:35:30,229
to discuss.

5171
03:35:30,239 --> 03:35:32,160
I I like that idea. I think I think it'd

5172
03:35:32,160 --> 03:35:33,840
be good to clean it up a little bit

5173
03:35:33,840 --> 03:35:36,560
before it gets here. That way we can if

5174
03:35:36,560 --> 03:35:38,800
he cleans it up and cleans up and and

5175
03:35:38,800 --> 03:35:40,399
addresses our concerns, maybe have a

5176
03:35:40,399 --> 03:35:42,000
positive recommendation to the city

5177
03:35:42,000 --> 03:35:45,840
council at that point and then

5178
03:35:45,840 --> 03:35:48,640
it's going well. But I feel like it's

5179
03:35:48,640 --> 03:35:49,920
way too far. I really like I mentioned

5180
03:35:49,920 --> 03:35:52,319
in the work meeting, this is really the

5181
03:35:52,319 --> 03:35:54,800
second We've talked about it. Maybe

5182
03:35:54,800 --> 03:35:57,840
three if we count. I guess last time

5183
03:35:57,840 --> 03:36:00,239
on Yeah. So, I I feel like it's gone

5184
03:36:00,239 --> 03:36:01,944
pretty quick. So, I I would

5185
03:36:01,944 --> 03:36:02,880
[clears throat]

5186
03:36:02,880 --> 03:36:04,560
I guess I'll I'll make a motion to table

5187
03:36:04,560 --> 03:36:07,200
it in hopes that they can address a lot

5188
03:36:07,200 --> 03:36:08,960
of these comments and then we can have a

5189
03:36:08,960 --> 03:36:10,560
meeting a joint meeting with the city

5190
03:36:10,560 --> 03:36:13,910
council.

5191
03:36:13,920 --> 03:36:15,520
» There's been a motion by Commissioner

5192
03:36:15,520 --> 03:36:22,389
Wait to table. Is there a second?

5193
03:36:22,399 --> 03:36:27,110
or discussion.

5194
03:36:27,120 --> 03:36:30,880
» Yeah, I I probably I'd like to discuss.

5195
03:36:30,880 --> 03:36:32,880
Um

5196
03:36:32,880 --> 03:36:35,520
I guess my thoughts on on that aspect

5197
03:36:35,520 --> 03:36:38,000
are I think it is probably the more

5198
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:40,560
responsible thing for us to do to table

5199
03:36:40,560 --> 03:36:42,080
it.

5200
03:36:42,080 --> 03:36:44,080
One thing that you said, you know, just

5201
03:36:44,080 --> 03:36:47,439
kind of clicked in my brain that

5202
03:36:47,439 --> 03:36:50,960
I I think that our roles require us to

5203
03:36:50,960 --> 03:36:52,880
have some accountability. And part of

5204
03:36:52,880 --> 03:36:54,640
that accountability is having a a

5205
03:36:54,640 --> 03:36:56,880
document that we can fully support or

5206
03:36:56,880 --> 03:36:59,760
deny. But if we were to deny it tonight,

5207
03:36:59,760 --> 03:37:01,520
it's based off of some assumptions that

5208
03:37:01,520 --> 03:37:05,680
it would change. And so I think as far

5209
03:37:05,680 --> 03:37:07,680
as we're concerned and wanting to have

5210
03:37:07,680 --> 03:37:09,359
accountability for our positions and

5211
03:37:09,359 --> 03:37:12,080
like truly give this the the forethought

5212
03:37:12,080 --> 03:37:15,760
that it requires, I I think tailing is

5213
03:37:15,760 --> 03:37:19,120
the most responsible thing to do.

5214
03:37:19,120 --> 03:37:21,680
>> Any thoughts?

5215
03:37:21,680 --> 03:37:26,229
>> I agree with Nate.

5216
03:37:26,239 --> 03:37:30,080
I mean that I'll second.

5217
03:37:30,080 --> 03:37:31,760
>> So

5218
03:37:31,760 --> 03:37:34,640
all right. So we have a motion set forth

5219
03:37:34,640 --> 03:37:36,640
by Commissioner Wade, seconded by

5220
03:37:36,640 --> 03:37:40,000
Commissioner Denny. All in favor?

5221
03:37:40,000 --> 03:37:41,680
>> I.

5222
03:37:41,680 --> 03:37:45,760
>> Motion carries. Um before we move to

5223
03:37:45,760 --> 03:37:48,319
adjournment, um I just want to tell

5224
03:37:48,319 --> 03:37:49,600
everybody thank you that's sitting out

5225
03:37:49,600 --> 03:37:51,040
on those really hard uncomfortable

5226
03:37:51,040 --> 03:37:53,840
chairs. I spent a lot of spend a lot of

5227
03:37:53,840 --> 03:37:56,239
hours in those too. This is important

5228
03:37:56,239 --> 03:37:59,040
and I hope we get this right. and we

5229
03:37:59,040 --> 03:38:02,080
received a lot of letters uh in every

5230
03:38:02,080 --> 03:38:03,840
direction. There was a lot of good

5231
03:38:03,840 --> 03:38:08,080
feedback tonight. Please continue that.

5232
03:38:08,080 --> 03:38:10,880
So, the more we hear, the more educated

5233
03:38:10,880 --> 03:38:13,600
decisions we can try and make and help

5234
03:38:13,600 --> 03:38:15,120
the city council with this stuff as

5235
03:38:15,120 --> 03:38:18,640
well. So, um at this time, I am going to

5236
03:38:18,640 --> 03:38:21,120
open it up. We have one more uh item on

5237
03:38:21,120 --> 03:38:24,239
here for citizen comment. Uh it can be

5238
03:38:24,239 --> 03:38:26,640
about anything you would like. Uh we

5239
03:38:26,640 --> 03:38:30,080
cannot take on it this evening, but uh a

5240
03:38:30,080 --> 03:38:32,160
motion to move into the citizen comment

5241
03:38:32,160 --> 03:38:35,269
portion.

5242
03:38:35,279 --> 03:38:36,720
» No motion. All right, let's just do it

5243
03:38:36,720 --> 03:38:38,479
then. If somebody's got something they'd

5244
03:38:38,479 --> 03:38:41,040
like to say, come on up.

5245
03:38:41,040 --> 03:38:44,160
Sir, please state your name and you

5246
03:38:44,160 --> 03:38:46,880
>> I am Dale Fard and I am a Hooker City

5247
03:38:46,880 --> 03:38:49,120
resident.

5248
03:38:49,120 --> 03:38:51,279
I'm commenting tonight as a concerned

5249
03:38:51,279 --> 03:38:54,080
citizen. I received the following letter

5250
03:38:54,080 --> 03:38:57,439
that I'd like to read into the record.

5251
03:38:57,439 --> 03:38:59,359
This letter is referencing some property

5252
03:38:59,359 --> 03:39:02,160
that I own in West Herper. I'm aware

5253
03:39:02,160 --> 03:39:04,479
that I am not the only land owner in

5254
03:39:04,479 --> 03:39:09,110
West Her that received this letter.

5255
03:39:09,120 --> 03:39:11,760
So it reads to the owners of the 18

5256
03:39:11,760 --> 03:39:13,760
acres in Hooper.

5257
03:39:13,760 --> 03:39:17,200
I'm reaching out about your 18.2 acres

5258
03:39:17,200 --> 03:39:20,800
at 4600 South in Hooker.

5259
03:39:20,800 --> 03:39:23,439
has made planning changes that make your

5260
03:39:23,439 --> 03:39:26,479
ground meaningfully more developable

5261
03:39:26,479 --> 03:39:29,760
than it used to be. I work with a local

5262
03:39:29,760 --> 03:39:32,720
bu uh home builder who has taken

5263
03:39:32,720 --> 03:39:34,880
projects from rock ground to finished

5264
03:39:34,880 --> 03:39:37,920
neighborhoods all over Utah. I noticed

5265
03:39:37,920 --> 03:39:40,479
the change and wanted to make sure you

5266
03:39:40,479 --> 03:39:43,439
knew and to see if you would like to

5267
03:39:43,439 --> 03:39:46,800
hear what it could mean for you. I have

5268
03:39:46,800 --> 03:39:49,359
included a snapshot of your property

5269
03:39:49,359 --> 03:39:51,680
below so you can verify that this is the

5270
03:39:51,680 --> 03:39:53,920
correct property and it is the correct

5271
03:39:53,920 --> 03:39:56,080
property.

5272
03:39:56,080 --> 03:40:00,160
My question is why is a developer from

5273
03:40:00,160 --> 03:40:03,120
Saratoga Springs under the impression

5274
03:40:03,120 --> 03:40:05,520
that Hoover City's general plan has been

5275
03:40:05,520 --> 03:40:08,560
changed allowing for higher density

5276
03:40:08,560 --> 03:40:10,160
development.

5277
03:40:10,160 --> 03:40:12,080
I am aware that a committee has been

5278
03:40:12,080 --> 03:40:14,399
formed to work on changing our general

5279
03:40:14,399 --> 03:40:17,120
plan, but there have been no public

5280
03:40:17,120 --> 03:40:19,760
meetings held. No changes have been

5281
03:40:19,760 --> 03:40:22,160
made. Yet, for some reason, this

5282
03:40:22,160 --> 03:40:25,040
developer seems to think the changes are

5283
03:40:25,040 --> 03:40:27,439
a done deal.

5284
03:40:27,439 --> 03:40:29,279
I would like to stress the planning

5285
03:40:29,279 --> 03:40:32,000
commission, the city council, and the

5286
03:40:32,000 --> 03:40:33,680
residents of Hooper City that any

5287
03:40:33,680 --> 03:40:36,640
changes to our general p plan should be

5288
03:40:36,640 --> 03:40:40,319
done as much with as much community

5289
03:40:40,319 --> 03:40:42,880
involvement as possible.

5290
03:40:42,880 --> 03:40:44,560
All changes should be carefully

5291
03:40:44,560 --> 03:40:47,520
considered by the residents of Hooper

5292
03:40:47,520 --> 03:40:49,760
as they are the ones who will be most

5293
03:40:49,760 --> 03:40:53,200
affected. My hope is that the minds of

5294
03:40:53,200 --> 03:40:56,479
those involved in this decision have not

5295
03:40:56,479 --> 03:40:58,880
made up their mind. As members of the

5296
03:40:58,880 --> 03:41:01,600
planning commission and city council, it

5297
03:41:01,600 --> 03:41:04,239
is important that we never forget whose

5298
03:41:04,239 --> 03:41:07,279
best interest we never forget those who

5299
03:41:07,279 --> 03:41:09,840
our best interest is involved with,

5300
03:41:09,840 --> 03:41:12,239
those we represent.

5301
03:41:12,239 --> 03:41:15,120
Thank you.

5302
03:41:15,120 --> 03:41:17,680
Any other citizen comment

5303
03:41:17,680 --> 03:41:21,990
this evening?

5304
03:41:22,000 --> 03:41:24,160
» Okay. At this time, I'll entertain a

5305
03:41:24,160 --> 03:41:26,000
motion to adjurnn.

5306
03:41:26,000 --> 03:41:28,000
I'll make a motion that we adjourn.

5307
03:41:28,000 --> 03:41:29,600
>> Second.

5308
03:41:29,600 --> 03:41:32,239
>> Motion to adjourn. All in favor?

5309
03:41:32,239 --> 03:41:35,279
>> I thank you.

5310
03:41:35,279 --> 03:41:38,279
>> Recording.