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This meeting is being held in compliance

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with the provisions of the open public

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meetings act NJSA 104 I'm sorry 10 col

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herald. It was posted on the bulletin

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board maintained in the municipal

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building and was noticed on the burough

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website. Can I have the roll call? Mr.

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Bonjavani is absent. Mr. Falcone

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» Present.

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» Miss Johnson

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» Here.

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» Mr. Kusik.

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» Miss Rodriguez

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» Here. Mr. Taylor

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» Here.

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» Mayor Glatte

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» Here. If you will all stand and join me

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in a salute to the flag

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I pledge

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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Please be seated.

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We have the presentation for the um

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commemorative quilt for Sussex County.

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As you can all see, it is in the back of

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the room.

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Um that was um

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just looking for my little

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paper from it so I can read. So this is

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the 250th celebration Sussex County

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quilt. There

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on October 30th, 2025, Jane Krueger

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reached out via an email to the local

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historical societies regarding the

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concept of creating a Sussex County

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quilt to commemorate the 250th

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celebration of the United States of

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America. Responses were quick and a

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meeting was arranged to discuss further

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details. On January 31st, 2026, some

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women gathered at Ogdensburg Historical

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Society to plan a strategy of

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accomplishing the goal by June 1st,

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2026. All were in agreement that the

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quilt should represent all 24

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municipalities in Sussex County. The

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municipalities were divided up between

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the women and the next job was to seek

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out how each town wished to be

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represented in the quilt. In the next

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few weeks, the ideas were brought

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together to discuss, review, and create

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the quote blocks that would represent

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each municipality. It was also discussed

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how to incorporate the Sussex County

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Seal as well as special entities that

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made Sussex County special. The quilt on

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display reflects 10 weeks of dedicated

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work by 11 participants who diligently

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created 24 quilt blocks representing all

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municipalities in Sussex County. The

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Sussex County Seal is in the center to

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represent unity. The 16 inside quilt

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blocks represent many

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ferry bridge, the Leni Lennai Lenipe

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long house at Waterlue Village, a

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sunflower railroads, our men and women

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who served in our military, and the

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beloved Appalachian Trail are just a few

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of them. If you have the time this

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evening to take a look at it, we

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absolutely would love you to do that.

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It's going to be on display in our

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municipal buildings foyer for the next,

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I think it's week and a half. Um, it's

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going to start going on display. We had

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it on display at the event on Saturday

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at the um, America 250 in the Park. So,

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um, hopefully you all get to enjoy it.

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It's one of the most beautiful things

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I've ever seen. So, thank you to them.

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Um, moving on to our proclamations.

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So, our first recommendation is for Nina

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Capello. Can you come on up here?

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» Hey, Nina.

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[clears throat and laughter]

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» Don't embarrass her.

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Okay, our proclamation reads, Nina

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Capello, track and field achievements.

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Whereas the Burough Popo Pathon takes

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pride in recognizing the extraordinary

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talents, dedication, and achievements of

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our local youth athletes. And whereas

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Nina Capello has demonstrated

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discipline, resilience, and an

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unwavering competitive spirit through

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her training and commitment to track and

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field. And whereas Mina showcased her

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remarkable endurance and elite athletic

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capabilities at the New Jersey Junior

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Olympics Championship, placing sixth,

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region 2 Championship, placing fifth,

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and the AAOU Track and Field Region One

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meet placing second, qualifying her for

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the AAOU National Junior Olympics. And

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whereas these exceptional

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accomplishments bring profound pride and

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inspiration to sports enthusiasts,

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family members, and peers throughout our

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community, proving that youth sports

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build a foundation for lifelong success,

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teamwork, and leadership. Now therefore,

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I, Marie Gotti, mayor of the Burough

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Packon, have here to set my hand, cause

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the seal of the Burough Packon to be a

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fixed the second day of September, 2026.

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On behalf of the Burough Council and the

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residents of Hopackon, we extend our

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heartfelt congratulations to Nenah and

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wish her continued success in all of her

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future track and field endeavors and do

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hereby proclaim September 8th, 2026 as

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Nina Capella Day.

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» Great job.

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Our next proclamation

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is for the 100th anniversary of

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Northwood Engine Company number two. If

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you can all come up this way.

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We need to recognize this because I

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won't be here for your 200th anniversary

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as much as I'd like to

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» Steve you going to join us

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uniform.

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» No worries.

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» So our proclamation reads 100th

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anniversary of Northwood Engine Company

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number two. Whereas the safety, health,

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and well-being of the residents of the

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Burough Hopon depend heavily on the

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dedication of our volunteer emergency

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services. And whereas the HPAN Fire

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Department, Northwood Engine Company

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number two, founded on July 11th, 1926

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by the residents of Glasser and Andover

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sections of the original Brooklyn

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Burrow, now formerly known as the Burrow

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of Pathon, was the first fire company in

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service for the burrow and remains our

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oldest fire company in service for the

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burrow. And whereas a fundraiser was

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held by the summer residents of

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Northwood, which would include Bert Lau,

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who is known for his role as the

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Cowardly Line in the Wizard of Oz. The

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funds were raised to purchase an Aeron's

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Fox, which was the first fire apparatus

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for Northwood and the only second fire

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apparatus for Hopackon.

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first and only rescue fireboat presence

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until 2010. Northwood Engine Company

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introduced ice rescue and confined space

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rescue to the Burough Packon

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departments. And whereas the spirit of

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neighbors helping neighbors remains the

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foundation of this historic company.

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Exemplifying the highest ideals of

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community service, sacrifice and

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volunteerism. And now therefore be it

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resolved, I Marie Galotti, mayor of the

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Burough Packon, here to set my hand

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cause the seal of the Burough Packon to

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be affixed on the 2nd day of September

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2026. On behalf of the Burough Council

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and residents of Opacon, officially

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extending their deepest congratulations,

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gratitude, and highest commendation to

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the officers and members of Northwood

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Engine Company number two on this

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historic milestone of their 100th

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anniversary.

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» Hey, now I will

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Do you want to get in it?

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» Congratulations.

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» Thank you all very

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» Thank you. Congratulations.

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Welcome. Good to have you.

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That's always fun doing the

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proclamations.

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» Moving on to committee reports. Um I

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would like to take a moment to recognize

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and sincerely thank the members of the

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America 250 committee planning uh

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committee. The planning began several

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months ago and the success of the

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concert in the park was made possible

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time. I their dedication and their

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teamwork. I am also very grateful to the

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generous sponsors, volunteers, community

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organizers, vendors, entertainers, and

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municipal professionals who helped make

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the day possible. The beautiful weather

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provided the perfect setting for our

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community to come together, and several

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participating organizations also had the

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opportunity to raise funds and support

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their important work. A special thank

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you to Jod from J&J Vendors for

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coordinating the ads on Facebook and for

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creating the lawn signs that help

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promote the event. It was truly a

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pleasure working with everyone involved.

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The concert in the park was a wonderful

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community success and I look forward to

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the opportunity to work together with

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them again on future events. Um we've

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also had our first meeting for the

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Hudson Guild hike for Hopackon. As you

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know the Hudson Guild hike was switched

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and we no longer have the May date. We

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are now October 17th. The Lake Aakon

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Foundation uh took over the Hudson Guild

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hike from the Lucianis and we cannot

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have the block party and the Hopakon

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hike in May at the same time. It's too

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much work for just that one group. So,

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we split them and now we're in October.

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So, mark your calendars for October 17th

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for the Hudson Guild hike. And as more

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details come out, we will give them to

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you. Uh we had a Sussex County Mayor's

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meeting with the director of the

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commissioners and one of the other uh

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members of the commission to discuss

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what's happening in our municipalities

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and to connect with county projects. Our

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911 ceremony this year is Friday,

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September 11th at 6 p.m. It is a candle

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light vigil ceremony. It is also the

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25th anniversary of 911. We will be

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adding an international flag ceremony

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which represents a country of birth or

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ancestry that lost citizens on 911.

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Currently we have a Dominican uh flag.

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We have a United Kingdom. We have a flag

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from Puerto Rico, Turkey, Germany,

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Italy, Ireland, and Poland that are

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currently represented by flags and

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residents. If anyone is interested in a

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different country to represent, please

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reach out for Max Facile, our recreation

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superintendent,

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um, please try to, if you have the

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opportunity to include yourself. The

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more that we have in our community, the

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nicer this international flag ceremony

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will be. Uh, September 20th is Sussex

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County Day. If you have not been to

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Sussex County Day, it is at the

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fairgrounds. There are food trucks,

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vendors, um, and a bunch of different

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things. I always liken it to the Sussex

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County Fair shrunken to just a few hours

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but without the rides. And the event is

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rain or shine. So hopefully we see you

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all there. And the Grand Prix boat races

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on Lake Opakon are September 19th and

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20th at the Hopackon State Park. You

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certainly want to take notice of that

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because that is an issue with traffic on

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those specific days. And that was all

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that I had. Um, Steve,

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» On the DPW side, um, I was successful a

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little bit talking to Ron and DPW and

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the fire chiefs. It looks like we could

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potentially have four to five members

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respond in a daytime call to help out

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the volunteer fire department. So,

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that's like great news. I've been

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looking for that for a couple years now.

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911 memorial service. You touched up on

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the 6 6 p.m. Uh we had a fire chief's

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meeting um a week and a half ago and um

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we just try and set up a officers

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meeting in next week or two to discuss a

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little bit further. Uh congratulations

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to my brothers and sisters at North

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Firehouse in their 100th anniversary.

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If you didn't get a chance to go to

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their open house last Saturday leading

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up to it, we spent about three weeks at

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each night

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cleaning, repairing, fixing the house

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for open house to just to make it look

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good. And they did it. It looked like

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almost like a brand new firehouse. But u

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that was a great

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I finally found out who Johnny is.

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I mean it was this guy Kevin Snider he

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was the OEM coordinator. He was telling

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me how big of a following who Johnny has

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and I didn't believe him to be honest

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with you. And then leading into Saturday

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I kept seeing more and more people

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flooding the park with you know camping

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out watching they did a fantastic job.

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They brought a lot of people to the

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park. A lot of vendor benefited from

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there. It was a really really great

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event. So, I look forward to hopefully

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seeing them more important.

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And that'll be it.

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» Nothing.

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» The environmental committee, we had a a

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booth set up at the 250 event. And I got

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to say, it's probably the most people

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we've had come to our tent in a long

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time. And we actually got from that, we

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had uh the scouts come to us and ask if

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they could donate, you know, volunteer.

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uh and we're working something out with

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them for the trails. Uh and they also

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asked about trail maintenance. So they

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they may be involved in that. And as far

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as the seniors go, our meetings

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tomorrow. So

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» That's all I have.

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» Um so for the school committee uh for

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school, school is open. They opened on

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their first day was August 31st. Drive

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carefully. We have a lot of walkers. Uh

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obey the crossing guards. They will jump

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in front of your car. I've I've seen

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them do it. They did. One of them did it

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today.

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» Crossing both.

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» Oh, yeah. They're like unsung heroes.

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Those crossing guards. Their next board

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of ed meeting is on September 28th at 7

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p.m.

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Football. Uh the football team varsity

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football has a home game against Mars

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Catholic this Friday at or I'm sorry, 6

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p.m. And their next home game is not

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until September 25th. for the municipal

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alliance September 21st at 6:15 in this

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room. The [clears throat] ambulance is

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uh meeting is on September 15th at 7:30

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p.m. at the ambulance department. For

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the ordinance committee, Ron and I met

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last week. We talked about cannabis

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ordinance that is on your agendas. The

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short-term rental that is on your

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agendas coming through are going to be

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some something about the fire marshall,

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uh septics, long-term rentals. I also

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wanted to wish congratulations to

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Northwood on their 100th anniversary.

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And I did attend the event on Saturday

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and it was it was wonderful. So, thank

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you to everybody who organized that.

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That's all.

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» Thank you, D.

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» Uh, no committee updates for me, mayor.

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Um, but Jen, the game I don't get to

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correct you often. The game's tomorrow.

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» Oh my gosh, you're right. Yes. I'm sorry

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100%. It is tomorrow night. I said

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Friday, right? You did.

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» It is Thursday at 6 PM. I apologize for

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tomorrow night also.

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» Is it?

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» Yeah. Yeah.

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» Thank you.

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Sorry, Rachel.

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» Um, all right. A couple things. We'll go

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down the list here. I do want to start

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with the New Jersey State Police is um

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beginning an explore program. Usually,

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you have to be 17. Um, if you live in

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the northern region of New Jersey,

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Monday, September 14th from 7:00 p.m. to

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9:00 p.m., please stop by their Troop B

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headquarters, which is at 250 Minisc

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Road in Toad. Um, and come learn about

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the Explorer program, what it takes to

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be a state trooper. Um, it's a lot of

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fun. It's interactive. Um, and you can

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ask a lot of really good questions and

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see some cool some cool things happen

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there. The Warriors pep rally is

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Wednesday, September 9th, 6 p.m. at

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Hilltop Field. Please come out for that.

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Um, our kids love the community support.

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Um, I want to congratulate Northwood on

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their 100th. I also stopped by their um,

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display. And I will say it wasn't just

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an open house. You don't just show up to

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a firehouse and kind of walk through.

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They really took the time. They had it

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was very interactive. They had like a

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scavenger hunt. Like you had to

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high-five a firefighter and you had to

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have it like have it checked off. off.

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There was a lot of accountability for

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the kids. They had to drag um a a

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unconscious person across the floor that

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was very heavy. Um they they it was a

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lot of amazing work that went into it.

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You guys did a great job with that. Um I

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know I do want to recognize that

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Assemblyman Mike Gammore and Congressman

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Keane um did also come by and I think

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give you guys proclamations at the

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firehouse as well, right? So, thank you

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for them to popping in. Um Planet

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Networks is in Hopackon. Um, I've never

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been so sad to break up with Opalum ever

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in my life. It's um a good day. So, if

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you guys see the trucks driving around,

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go to their website, put your address

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in. They will tell you if they are in

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your area, if they're coming to your

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area. Um, the customer service, I will

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say, within the first week, has been

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absolutely phenomenal. So, please check

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out their website to get more

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information.

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Um, and the only other thing I have is,

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um, I will say I know Jonathan, we

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talked about volunteer signups. if we

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can get a volunteer sign up link on the

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burough website and and better advertise

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it so we have like a database building

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of volunteers, you know, on hand, I

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think it would be really beneficial that

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way if a beautifification or

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environmental needs them. Um, just from

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like the quick touch point following the

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last meeting, I I had like 20 to 30

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people saying that they'd love to

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volunteer. They just don't know where to

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sign up. So maybe if we can do something

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there, then

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» I believe there's a link in the

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environmental web page.

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» Okay. I didn't see one, but I don't

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know. we can we can figure it out. Um,

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but I think that might be helpful for

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you guys. And that was all I had.

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» Thank you. Moving on to our

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administrator's report.

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» Thank you, mayor. Just real quick, you

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know, since we now have a budget, now we

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can get some things done. Uh, it's been

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long delayed. DPW has been working

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actively on potholes and curbing and

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Lord knows storm management. These

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torrential rains have really have really

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put pressure on our systems and and

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we're working hard to to get clear those

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up. We finally got able to get into

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Modic Park to do all the mulch and get

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that up to standard because every day I

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see kids playing over there and that's

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the highest used park I think there is

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in the burrow. So we focused on that to

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get that up and running so everybody's

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safe and the mulches at the right

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criteria. We cleaned it up, did a new uh

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wall around the the horse there that had

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been decrepit and it was falling down.

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So the guys went over there and cleaned

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that up. So that looks nice now. Um, if

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anybody has pothole issues or any of

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those types of things that we're you

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don't see us working on immediately,

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please let us know. Uh, just get on the

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website, report it, email me, email the

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DPW. We've got a long laundry list, but

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we just make sure it's on it. If it's

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not, we'll get you on it. Um,

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» Can we move it? Can we relocate it to

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the I know we've talked about the link

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before, but maybe make it a hot button

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on the homepage just so you don't have

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to dig through the pages. It seems to be

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a very frequent request lately.

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» If that's an option,

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» I'll take a look.

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» Thank you. week. So, but we we um we're

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very busy in that u the bell water issue

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bell a water we awarded the contractor

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last meeting we are having a

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pre-construction meeting next week that

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will set the timing and we'll get the

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scope of how long it's going to take the

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lead time of it the timing of the

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closures of the road the whole process

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of that so we'll be able to communicate

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that go door to door and make sure

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everybody's up to speed on what that um

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process is going to look that's going to

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be a big project that's not a that's not

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a small endeavor by no means, but we're

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ready to get it done and get it fixed

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and get a a new main going down that

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road and get that road repair and put

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that to bed.

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» The bus stop there, too. But I'm sure

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you'll coordinate with

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» Oh, yeah. We're going to get with the

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transportation group, the the all that.

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So, was really hoping to get that done

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before school, but as contracts go and

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and local bureaucracy and and all the

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things, we're going as fast as we can.

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And lastly, with that, I go back into

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the room with the blue collar uh

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contract next tomorrow. So, we're trying

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to wrap that up and now I get to do what

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we do the best is sell a piece of

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property. So, I'm going to turn this

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over to our our council.

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» Mayor, can we also just recognize

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Commissioner Alan Henderson also joined

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us this evening?

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» Yes, we will recognize this evening that

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Commissioner Alan Henderson has joined

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us in the back.

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» Thank you. Not necessarily,

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» Ron. This the opening bid on this one is

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4,975,

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right? Yep.

540
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,039
» Yep. Okay. Just wanted to make sure. All

541
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,960
right, folks. This is our point in the

542
00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:22,799
meeting where we get to bid on the

543
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:27,360
auction of block 10414 lot 3 known as 6

544
00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:28,720
Morris Road. The opening bid is $4,975.

545
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:30,799
I'll just go over the ground rules

546
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,480
pretty quick. Uh the burrow does not

547
00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:34,720
warrant or certify to the title and

548
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,640
acreage set forth as it is approximate.

549
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,320
In no event shall the burrow of hapac be

550
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,080
liable for any damages to the purchaser

551
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,600
successful bidder if title is found

552
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,280
unmarketable for any reason and the

553
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,280
purchaser successful bidder waves any

554
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,640
and all right in damages or by way of

555
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,080
leans against the burrow. The sole

556
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,080
remedy shall be the right to receive a

557
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,200
refund if a title objection is made

558
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,440
prior to closing of the 10% deposit

559
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,280
paid. It shall be the obligation of the

560
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,280
successful purchaser to examine title of

561
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,640
the said premises prior to closing. In

562
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,320
the event of closing and later finding

563
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,159
of a defect in title, the burl shall not

564
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,320
be responsible for sale and shall not be

565
00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:08,240
required to refund money or correct any

566
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,159
defect in title or to held liable for

567
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,679
damages. Acceptance of the highest bid

568
00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:13,280
shall constitute a binding agreement of

569
00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:15,280
sale and the purchaser shall be deemed

570
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,280
to agree to comply with the terms and

571
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:20,520
conditions of the sale here and contain

572
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,520
the purchase

573
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,760
by the way

574
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,080
$450 in the bureau's transaction cost.

575
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,720
So, having said all that, we're now

576
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:36,840
going to opening the open the bidding on

577
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:36,840
block 10414 lot 36 Morris Road. And

578
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,960
do we have any bids?

579
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,960
Okay, we have a bid right there for

580
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,240
$4,975.

581
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,520
Is there anybody else that wish to bid

582
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:50,480
on that property? Going once, going

583
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:54,080
twice, going three times. Lucky winner

584
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,760
in the back of the room. So,

585
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,240
» Congratulations. Congratulations. We'll

586
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,480
get all the pictures.

587
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,200
» We got up. We know. We know them.

588
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,280
» Okay.

589
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,000
» Got it.

590
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,640
» We're done.

591
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,679
» We're done. Thank you.

592
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,080
» Thank you.

593
00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:07,080
» See you Friday.

594
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,559
» Moving on to public comments. Can I have

595
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:12,240
a motion open to the public?

596
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:14,880
» I'll make a motion. Second

597
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,880
» Discussion really quick. Um, I know

598
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,559
Shauna, I had sent an email, I guess

599
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,000
going back to like how we approved the

600
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,440
agenda, right, from the reorg and the

601
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,520
format that it was laid out in and the

602
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,679
change that we made. For the benefit of

603
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,520
the public, can we just let them know

604
00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:29,200
when we change portions of the public

605
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,480
comment because the last thing we want

606
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,039
is for you guys to think that we're

607
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,799
being reactive to you guys coming up and

608
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:37,039
speaking and then this modifies because

609
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:38,559
of something that happened. So, um, from

610
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:40,880
what I learned, and please correct me,

611
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:42,320
Sha, if I'm wrong, this what's what's

612
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,760
listed under the public comment and the

613
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,960
rules and kind of how it works, that's

614
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,360
part of Robert's rules.

615
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,360
» Correct.

616
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,799
» Correct. So, it's just modified. So,

617
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,080
there's additional language added in

618
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,080
that already is part of the rules that

619
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,320
are established. It's just not the whole

620
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,039
section of it. So, um, that's the

621
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,960
clarity on that. So, just if we change

622
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,799
anything, I think the benefit should be

623
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,480
to notify the public so they understand

624
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:05,919
it's we're not being reactive to

625
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:08,400
anything that they do here. Thank you.

626
00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:12,080
All those in favor? I

627
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:16,240
» Okay, meeting is open to the public.

628
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:18,240
» How you doing? Uh name is AP Schmidt. Um

629
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,679
you probably all know why I'm here. This

630
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,720
uh I think my third appearance in front

631
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:25,440
of you. I've not been here since June.

632
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:28,720
Um I advise you then I give you some

633
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:32,000
time to come up with a plan of action um

634
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:35,039
to tell me what we plan to do about the

635
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,799
use of illegal fireworks in town. Um, so

636
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:38,960
I suffered through another summer of

637
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:41,360
them again allowing you guys to

638
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:44,400
formulate a plan. So I hope tonight you

639
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:46,559
have some kind of answers for me. Um, I

640
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:50,000
would also like to take a minute to

641
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:52,159
thank uh, Councilwoman Rodriguez for

642
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,919
reaching out and checking in around 4th

643
00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:56,960
of July. I thought that was uh,

644
00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:59,760
extremely kind and again showing uh,

645
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:02,480
compassion and an understanding of this

646
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,840
issue. Um, so I'm not going to get, you

647
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,360
know, too far into it. Like I said, I

648
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,240
gave you some time to come up with a

649
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:09,679
plan before I take further action. Um,

650
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,640
so I hope tonight that you will have

651
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:14,559
some answers for me on what you uh plan

652
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,080
to do. One of the other things I would

653
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:19,520
suggest though, which I still don't

654
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,919
understand um why it's never

655
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:25,919
communicated on your digital board. I

656
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:26,960
see um communication about pretty much

657
00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:30,440
everything that the town wants to

658
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,440
communicate, including

659
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:37,039
can't be put out there uh at least once

660
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,279
a month. Um that you guys have a zero

661
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,880
tolerance policy to the use of illegal

662
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:43,120
fireworks. Um it's one way you can

663
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,799
communicate this to the town. Um I don't

664
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:48,559
know if that costs you anything. Um, so

665
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:51,039
I know you had mentioned in the past

666
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:54,559
about Prox

667
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:59,279
about possibly sending out the uh letter

668
00:25:54,559 --> 00:26:01,520
that was um issued by uh Chief Mahusky

669
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,880
um to the entire town. Again, it's not

670
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:08,400
just my neighborhood that this is an

671
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:09,840
issue. Um it's a townwide problem. Um so

672
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,440
uh that being said, I'm not going to

673
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,360
take up any more of your time, but I

674
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:17,480
would like to uh hear what your response

675
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:17,480
is tonight. Thank you.

676
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,600
» Do you want to take that real quick?

677
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:23,760
» Uh, we do have official communications

678
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,520
going out in the next tax bill. So, that

679
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,080
will get to everybody.

680
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,520
» Um, and we'll take a look at a a

681
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,039
repeatable type of message. I know we

682
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,960
put one out at 4th of July that was out

683
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:36,080
in the front. So, we'll revamp that as a

684
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,840
more generic,

685
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,760
» Right? And I do I do appreciate that.

686
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,960
Again, I think I've, you know, explained

687
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,559
to you guys, I'm not going to be that

688
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,720
guy on Fourth of July, New Year's.

689
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,559
» No. have your puff, right? Got even

690
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,159
though they are illegal. Um,

691
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,480
» And I know the police is tracking

692
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:51,279
complaints.

693
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:54,000
» It's a random Tuesday night on in April,

694
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:55,279
in May and June and July. Okay.

695
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,320
» All you know. So, okay,

696
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:59,279
» We got it. Thank you.

697
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,440
» You also talked to public captain and he

698
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:04,240
also to throw in his digital sign and it

699
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,480
will rotate automatically and stuff.

700
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,520
Yep,

701
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,960
» We got that.

702
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,640
» So, the physical letter is going out

703
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,760
with the tax bills or is it like a QR

704
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:15,360
code to the website with the letter?

705
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:18,240
Anyone else?

706
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:19,760
» Rachel had a question.

707
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,400
» I think Ron answered it.

708
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,120
» She didn't answer it.

709
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,960
» What's that?

710
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,720
» Sorry. Yeah. Like is So that the tax

711
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,840
bill notice, is it like an actual copy

712
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,320
of the letter that's going out with

713
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,840
everything?

714
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,760
» Notice. It's a notice of all the illegal

715
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,440
stuff. This is illegal. Can't use this.

716
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,880
Can't use this. Can't use that. It's

717
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,640
very very informative.

718
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,480
» Awesome. Thank you.

719
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,400
» Franco Mccer, I just wanted to follow up

720
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,880
and thank you for your attention to the

721
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,480
pothole situation on the top of Brooklyn

722
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,960
Mountain. It's greatly appreciated they

723
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:49,520
were fixed in a timely fashion. I want

724
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:51,360
to say like within 48 hours. Um I still

725
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,919
see the black pipe that's sticking out

726
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:56,240
of the person's yard. So where the

727
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:58,399
potholes were fixed like two or three

728
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,919
houses down on the right hand side as

729
00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:04,720
you're going down to uh lakeside, that

730
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:06,080
person's drainage pipe is still out into

731
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,760
the road.

732
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,640
» I don't know what it's hooked up to, but

733
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,559
I don't think

734
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,919
» Probably is.

735
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,679
I don't think it should be draining into

736
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:14,880
the road. That's all. Thank you.

737
00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:17,880
» Thank you.

738
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,880
» Yeah.

739
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,960
Then Richie,

740
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:28,399
just wondering if um anyone on the

741
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,279
council and the mayor thinks that

742
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:32,880
there's um conflict of interest when we

743
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:35,039
have people on our committees like the

744
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,520
land use board and mayorappointed

745
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:40,640
committees that are doing contract work

746
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,799
for the burrow and making money off of

747
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:46,320
the burrow when especially in the land

748
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:50,240
use board making decisions regarding the

749
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:53,840
burrow and how this is happening and why

750
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:57,679
it hasn't been flagged in the past or

751
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,840
possibly now cuz I see a conflict in it.

752
00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:01,840
I would love to be paid to make

753
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,559
decisions on the bureau's behalf and

754
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,880
then have my company come and do repairs

755
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:10,120
or services.

756
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,120
Thank you.

757
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:18,320
» Hi Carolyn Turner.

758
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:21,840
Good evening. I returned I returned from

759
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:25,279
the county u upon your uh well I was

760
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:27,360
here last month or when August 12th and

761
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:28,640
uh you had suggested that we go to the

762
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,640
county and asked them to do a

763
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,360
comprehensive road study for county road

764
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,279
609. Uh we're trying to get the uh speed

765
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,440
limit lowered. We were asking for speed

766
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:39,360
bumps and signage and all kinds of

767
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,640
information, all kinds of uh stuff for

768
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:45,279
that road to possibly slow uh the

769
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,440
traffic down, the uh the speeders down.

770
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:50,320
Uh and we did go up to the county and

771
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,159
they were extremely helpful. Uh very

772
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,480
receptive to all of the information.

773
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:56,240
They certainly helped us out a lot. Uh

774
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,200
they gave us all kinds of contact

775
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:02,880
information. Uh we sent information to

776
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:06,159
the engineers. Um we uh forwarded

777
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:10,000
documentation um you know asking for uh

778
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:12,640
road signs being put up and um of course

779
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,159
we're on a list like everybody else is.

780
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,320
Um, in the meantime, [clears throat]

781
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:18,159
they did tell us to come back and to ask

782
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,679
you if you would have your police

783
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:22,240
department

784
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:25,840
um enforce the speed limits on that

785
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:30,399
road. And we do recognize and I I sent a

786
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:34,880
letter uh email to uh the chief. I think

787
00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:37,919
you all got a copy of it. Um and uh she

788
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,880
responded to me. Um there is a definite

789
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:43,520
uh police presence out there. Uh well,

790
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,039
first the county put out a a speed uh

791
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,600
sign

792
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:50,799
um on the I think it was on the south

793
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:53,279
side. If I use Lola's as an example of

794
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:55,360
the south and north, okay, south of

795
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:58,720
Lola's there was a speed sign. It was

796
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,080
near um I think uh

797
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,320
Hilltop.

798
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,799
» Um and the county put that sign out

799
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,200
there. Um it was up for 10 days and it's

800
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:10,640
been taken down now. Uh the chief

801
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:13,600
apparently did a uh a study and there

802
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,559
were approximately 309 cars and the

803
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,720
average speed was 34.94.

804
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:20,320
Uh

805
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,840
that means that people are speeding as

806
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,880
far as I'm concerned. I don't know how

807
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:30,080
the average was determined but she did

808
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:32,480
that. Uh we um there was also u one of

809
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,640
the neighbors had uh signage out there

810
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,960
that they created themselves. They were

811
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,440
asked to remove that signage uh because

812
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,440
it's the speed limit is 35 miles on the

813
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:46,071
road according to what the police

814
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,840
department tells us. Um uh as of today

815
00:31:46,071 --> 00:31:50,640
[clears throat] over the weekend um the

816
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,159
the police were out there uh stopping

817
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,760
people. Someone was stopped in front of

818
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:59,279
my house on uh Saturday. Um I I guess

819
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:02,399
just given a warning. Um today there was

820
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:04,480
a an officer out there. He actually uh

821
00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:07,440
went after two. I guess they were

822
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,279
speeding because he went after them. And

823
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,880
uh whether they got tickets or not, I'm

824
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:16,000
not really sure. Um, what I'm asking,

825
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,159
uh, is that I know that there 3 minutes

826
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,200
are up and there I know that there's a a

827
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:24,080
a speed radar that belongs to the town

828
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,559
that's not in working order, but when it

829
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,279
does become in working order, if you

830
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:31,200
could put it on the north side of Lola's

831
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,799
and I'll let use my property. You can

832
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,480
put it on my property. [clears throat]

833
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:37,919
You know, that's where the officer was

834
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,399
sitting today for half an hour and he he

835
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:43,200
uh went after two people. you know, it

836
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:45,120
continues to be an issue. Uh we

837
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,480
appreciate the department being out

838
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,799
there and all the help that they're

839
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,480
giving us. Uh you know, we're here

840
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:52,000
because we want the the you know, the

841
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,799
safety of the people that live on our

842
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,600
roads. And uh Thank you.

843
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,000
» I have a question.

844
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,440
» Yeah.

845
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,240
» The sign that went up, you said it was

846
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,640
taken down.

847
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,480
» Yes.

848
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,240
» What was the reason for it? Was it was

849
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,600
was the did the county say it was just

850
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,640
going to be a temporary sign?

851
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:10,399
» That I didn't even know. I spoke to um

852
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,399
uh Mr. for Carney yesterday and he told

853
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:15,120
me that he had requested that a sign be

854
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:16,559
put up. Uh um he wasn't sure exactly

855
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,360
when it was coming up and I said, "Well,

856
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:22,240
there was one up and I know that that it

857
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,519
did not belong to the c the pharaoh. It

858
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,080
belonged to the county." We were told

859
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,200
that it belonged to the county and I I I

860
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,720
mentioned that to him and he says,

861
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,000
"Well, you know, I guess they acted a

862
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,640
little bit faster than I had

863
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,640
anticipated." So, I don't know, you

864
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,720
know, how long he was going to keep it

865
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,440
up or 10. It was about 10 days that it

866
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,840
was up.

867
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,799
» Did you see any Did you see a difference

868
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,159
with the sign up?

869
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,640
» Well, everybody stops when they see

870
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:46,640
those signs. They slow down.

871
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:50,240
» Yeah, there there was a difference, but

872
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:52,720
the the the speed on the road and so the

873
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,720
the the speed limit was Mark 35 on that

874
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,320
sign and along that road. I don't know

875
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,679
if you're familiar with it or not, but

876
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,880
it goes from 35 to 10 to 15 to 20 and

877
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:02,399
you know there's curves and everything,

878
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,159
you know. So the yellow signs, the

879
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:06,000
caution signs, nobody pays attention to

880
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:08,399
them, you know, they're just like

881
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,800
they're there, you know, it's and

882
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:13,359
they're assuming that it's a 35 mph

883
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,599
road, which it is, granted, but people

884
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:16,159
are going a lot lot faster than that.

885
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:18,560
» Okay.

886
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,320
» Way faster, especially down on that

887
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,720
north side. They're coming in from

888
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:26,480
Jefferson and Landing. And I mean, you

889
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:27,839
know, I know that everybody speeds.

890
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,040
We're not angels here.

891
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:31,119
» Not me or Rachel.

892
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,560
» No. speak for yourself.

893
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:34,000
» So, I did speak with Commissioner Carney

894
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,119
yesterday for an extended period of time

895
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,599
after he spoke to you.

896
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:38,720
» Okay.

897
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:40,960
» Um, so we are aware that the chief here

898
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:42,879
has had patrols out there. We're aware

899
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,960
of what's been happening out there. That

900
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:46,879
will continue from what I understand.

901
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,919
Um, I believe Commissioner Carney was

902
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:52,320
going to look into the sign uh being

903
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:53,440
more of a permanency. Um, however,

904
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,280
again, that's something that comes

905
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,399
through them. And he did tell me, he

906
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,560
says, "I got to be honest." He goes,

907
00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:00,000
"And I told her, you're on a list,

908
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,920
right?" you know, it's Sussex County.

909
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,920
You're on a list. So, he says the

910
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,920
engineer will be able to get to it as

911
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,280
quickly as he can. But, um, he did tell

912
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,839
us, he did reach out to tell me that he

913
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,320
spoke with you and explained everything

914
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:14,680
to you.

915
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,680
» Yes, he did. Thank you.

916
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:20,040
» Anyone else?

917
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,040
» Yes.

918
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:28,000
» Victoria, I also live on 609. Um, I'm

919
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,560
wondering if there's any possibility of

920
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:35,280
getting a sign that says hidden drive or

921
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:37,119
blind drive. I live on uh 609 past las

922
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,599
where there's you're going up the hill

923
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:43,119
and it's blind and my driveway is right

924
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:46,480
there and people come flying up from

925
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:48,880
either direction. And I mean, luckily I

926
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,160
I generally I get out in the street and

927
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,440
make sure there's no one coming in

928
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,760
either direction before I pull out. But

929
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,240
even uh there's a couple of neighbors

930
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,240
down like I'm on the peak and I have to

931
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:02,560
go out and look. But the people the next

932
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,240
going down they can't even come out of

933
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,480
their driveway and see if someone's

934
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:09,119
flying over that hill.

935
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:13,040
So I mean it's been a longstanding thing

936
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:14,640
and I don't know the process. Um I'm I

937
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,480
went to the meeting of the county also

938
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:20,960
and and Mr. Carney said that the signs

939
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,880
are made in the county or the town and

940
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,280
so it shouldn't be that shouldn't be as

941
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,920
hard as like you know the study of the

942
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,920
street and everything. So, uh I'm

943
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,240
wondering if we could take a look at

944
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:36,640
making a hidden drive, blind drive or

945
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:38,400
something to that thought.

946
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,920
» Yeah. The only thing is that's a county

947
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,920
road. So obviously we'd have to have

948
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,200
that that would be a decision for the

949
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,960
county to make if the county says it's

950
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,640
okay to put the sign up that we can't

951
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,119
put signs up without their permission on

952
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,640
their road.

953
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,560
» Okay. So I need to get their permission

954
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,800
because they told us to come back to you

955
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,240
for the sign. He told me he said because

956
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,480
they're made here. He said go back and

957
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,760
ask.

958
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,240
» We don't make the signs.

959
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,800
» Well, maybe we call to the county and

960
00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,760
ask.

961
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,440
» Simple fix, right?

962
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,359
» Yeah. Rather than having her go back and

963
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,560
forth, just one of us call somebody

964
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,520
somebody call the county and see if we

965
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,640
can get that done.

966
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,920
» I don't know. Next time you come down,

967
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,680
can you bring us on now?

968
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,560
No, that would be very very much

969
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,599
appreciated.

970
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,920
» We can certainly reach out. We can

971
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:17,320
certainly

972
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,320
» Thank you so much.

973
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:23,000
» Anyone else?

974
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:30,079
» That shirt man.

975
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,000
» How many red shirts do you have?

976
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,920
» I leave the gym and I just come here.

977
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,599
Oh, right. I said, you know who I am.

978
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,000
Um, good evening. Um, another good

979
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:42,160
turnout tonight. Looks like about half

980
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,400
the seats are filled. That's great. Um,

981
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,400
you got me laughing. I keep laughing.

982
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,000
Kidding me. Um, great turnout on the

983
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:52,320
250th, by the way. Um, I don't know. I I

984
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,720
went before, I went after. I came early,

985
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,520
came late, and it was, um, it was nice.

986
00:37:54,720 --> 00:38:00,160
Um,

987
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,440
I'm not stating my name tonight or my

988
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,960
address because it's come to my

989
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,680
attention that I do not have to. Um, in

990
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,440
regards to public comment rules, um,

991
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,320
maybe there's some more information in

992
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,160
that, um, Rule that you were referencing

993
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,760
to earlier. That would be great if you

994
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,720
can let us know a little bit more about

995
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,280
that. I'd love to get more information.

996
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:23,280
Um,

997
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,520
um,

998
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,440
3 minutes is my time uninterrupted, our

999
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:31,440
time uninterrupted. If we directly

1000
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:34,160
question someone on the council, um I

1001
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,000
guess and if they choose to address us,

1002
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,760
does that stop my time?

1003
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,119
» No. What public comment is public

1004
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,800
comment? So I don't want to use up your

1005
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,480
time, but you make your comments and

1006
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,359
then they can respond

1007
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,240
» And they can after

1008
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:46,480
» After you're done. Yeah.

1009
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:48,320
» Okay. So any interaction is at the

1010
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,240
discretion of the council and the person

1011
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,720
who chooses to when they're up here,

1012
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,760
» Right? It's it's the same. Well, I'll

1013
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,839
explain more when you're done.

1014
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,839
» Thank you. I appreciate that.

1015
00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:58,839
Um,

1016
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:03,839
in regards to ordinance 242206

1017
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,119
that's going to be discuss discussed

1018
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:06,560
later. I'm bringing it up now because

1019
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:09,440
there's no opportunity to speak to it

1020
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,400
publicly later. Um, it was my un it's in

1021
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,240
regards to cannabis. Um it was from what

1022
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,240
I'm understanding or forgive me but from

1023
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,160
what I'm understanding from our previous

1024
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,680
um meetings was that we were simply

1025
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,160
moving forward with an ordinance or

1026
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,839
details and regulations as the town have

1027
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,920
already voted and I understand that it

1028
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:28,400
was a it was a state vote but we know

1029
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,839
how Pacong voted. Um and I know there's

1030
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,040
some back and forth on to whether or not

1031
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,640
we were actually going to put it up to

1032
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,200
vote on in November because it may or

1033
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:39,400
may not be wasting time. Um, look, I'm

1034
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,400
against or not against, but

1035
00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:43,760
and but I will say that it looks as

1036
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:45,520
though Hopakhai wants to move forward on

1037
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,760
it. So, I think we should do what we can

1038
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:51,359
not to be not to be tripping over things

1039
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,720
to make that happen. Um, is that real or

1040
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:54,320
do I have a little more time?

1041
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,480
» That's it. Hurry up.

1042
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,280
» But you took some of my time, so I'm

1043
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,359
going to block cameras. There are there

1044
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,760
are now towns, counties, and states,

1045
00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:05,680
some Republican, that have either banned

1046
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,680
them or have made amendments to the

1047
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,520
settings or made some type of a public

1048
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,839
comment to them. I'd love to see it come

1049
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,440
on one of our agendas one of these

1050
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:15,920
times, or we could potentially discuss

1051
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,000
it. Uh, data center, ice center, or any

1052
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,839
large installations in our area that can

1053
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,280
potentially impact our water. Can we

1054
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:23,599
start looking into that? Can we discuss

1055
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,680
it? And if it's a fallacy and we're kind

1056
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:29,280
of in this little silo, then just say it

1057
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:31,520
so we won't be speculating anymore. Um,

1058
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,200
not bad. The clock if you I have eight

1059
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,200
seconds if anybody wants to respond to

1060
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,200
me.

1061
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,599
» Well, on on the public comment just and

1062
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,880
it's not you know what I mean. You get

1063
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:44,640
your three minutes, right? It's public

1064
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,640
comment. So, it's not a back and forth

1065
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,320
or whatever. So, whenever the speaker is

1066
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,320
done and somebody on the council wants

1067
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,400
to respond or has an answer, they will

1068
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,240
respond. And that doesn't take away from

1069
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,560
your time from your time or whatever.

1070
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,079
But that's why it's like three minutes

1071
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,760
of you can go up there say whatever you

1072
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,800
have to say. Somebody wants to respond,

1073
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,000
you know, and if you have a series of

1074
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,359
questions, you list your series of

1075
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,480
questions and that way you don't get

1076
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:06,800
into the back and forth say, "Well, you

1077
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,480
were talking for 35 minutes, 30 35

1078
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,520
seconds of my time, and I get that

1079
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,200
back." So,

1080
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,359
» Okay. Thank you. And I don't mean to

1081
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,800
come in I know at times I can come in an

1082
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:17,200
adversarial sense, but in this case,

1083
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,800
it's like look, I have certain feelings

1084
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,920
about literally seeing a clock there. I

1085
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,800
think it's absurd. I think we should

1086
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,160
also get more time, but I digress. But

1087
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,440
like I just wanted at least to

1088
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,680
understand the rules and regulations of

1089
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,800
what we're

1090
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,760
» Doing. Yeah. And I and let me just

1091
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,920
address the clock because I I'm in a lot

1092
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,079
of towns. So what happens is you've got

1093
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,599
somebody like me up here going uh if

1094
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,839
it's you know it's usually 3 minutes is

1095
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,839
pretty much a standard 3 to 5 and I go

1096
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:41,359
uh I got to go all right 1 minute left.

1097
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:43,040
You know and that's more annoying. At

1098
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:44,560
least you can look up if you're speaking

1099
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,560
and see the clock and see how much time

1100
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,119
you have left. I think that's a lot less

1101
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,800
intrusive than somebody like me going

1102
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,160
all right you got a minute left 30

1103
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,680
seconds 10. You know, because you can

1104
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,280
never get in a rhythm. I mean, that's at

1105
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,200
least with this. I I know you got to

1106
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:00,960
look up, but it's the less.

1107
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,760
» No, you made your point there. It makes

1108
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,200
sense.

1109
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,880
» Michael, what did you say? You said you

1110
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,680
said the flock camera's ice and then I

1111
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,280
forgot that I didn't.

1112
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,560
» And really quick, Rob.

1113
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,200
» Yeah. And and Robert's rules.

1114
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,599
» Okay. One at a time.

1115
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,200
» I didn't get a

1116
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,960
» I was talking about I was talking about

1117
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,040
data centers and I was also um I

1118
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,319
addressed the marijuana later

1119
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,920
» Because there was no public comment. So,

1120
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:23,440
I took my opportunity.

1121
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,240
» Thank you.

1122
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,440
» Oh, I took you.

1123
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,280
» Okay. Thank you. All right. Are you

1124
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,880
timing me? Okay. No, no, no. So,

1125
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,640
Robert's Robert's rules. So, there is a

1126
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,720
link on the bro website that links to

1127
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,240
Robert's rules that has the full like

1128
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,839
meeting layout, how meeting supposed to

1129
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,359
run. So, I'll send you that link so you

1130
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,880
can kind of read it over. It's not going

1131
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:40,240
to fit on one page, which is why like

1132
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,599
they take section regarding public

1133
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,040
comment. There's a lot more to it. So,

1134
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,960
I'll send you the link. It's a big read,

1135
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,440
but you'd probably enjoy it.

1136
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,079
» Thank you.

1137
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,200
» Okay.

1138
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:50,079
» Thank you.

1139
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:53,319
» Thank you.

1140
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,319
I'll be okay.

1141
00:42:54,179 --> 00:42:56,199
[laughter]

1142
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,560
» My name is Kevin Thomas for agenda item

1143
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,160
I believe 13. You are voting on refunded

1144
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,760
construction permits. Uh I'm the

1145
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,200
property owner. I'm happy to explain

1146
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,640
what your process is, but I'm happy to

1147
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,720
explain why that's being asked for if

1148
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,119
that's needed

1149
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:11,440
done.

1150
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:12,800
» Sure.

1151
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,720
» The resolution is pretty clear that you

1152
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,400
decided to not do the project. So,

1153
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,960
» Uh yeah, because it wasn't required to

1154
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,520
be done.

1155
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:22,200
» Yeah.

1156
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,200
» Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

1157
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,599
» How about

1158
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:33,280
» I was very uh pleased when the new

1159
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:37,359
administration came in and increased the

1160
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:41,040
public participation to two two things.

1161
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:42,720
Then it was it was 10 minutes. Now uh we

1162
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,319
didn't hear about this at any of the

1163
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,640
meetings or anything. All of a sudden

1164
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:50,240
you changed it. Now we only have six

1165
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,160
minutes and we had five minutes under

1166
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:55,040
the old administration, but it was only

1167
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,040
one public comment period. Now we have

1168
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,680
two public comments, but they're only

1169
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,079
three minutes a piece. So all you gave

1170
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,119
us was a minute. And I'd like to know

1171
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:07,760
why all of a sudden we've been going

1172
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:10,800
with 10 minutes and there hasn't seemed

1173
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,040
to be a problem. uh we didn't have that

1174
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,800
have the police come in and take people

1175
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,200
out of the room because they were

1176
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:21,440
talking too long. Why all of a sudden

1177
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:23,599
the clock and the and uh uh cutting us

1178
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,119
down to six minutes?

1179
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,720
» Well, I think the six was voted on at

1180
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:28,560
the beginning of the year

1181
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:31,359
» Number one. Then with regard to the

1182
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,880
clock, again, it's less disruptive, I

1183
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:34,480
think, if you have a clock so you can

1184
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,680
look up at it at your leisure or when

1185
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,000
you have a break and whatever you're

1186
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:41,920
saying as opposed to me or somebody else

1187
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,280
saying 1 minute, minute 30, 30 seconds.

1188
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,040
» Still going. You're talking.

1189
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,800
» Oh, sorry. Okay. All right. I'll shut

1190
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:50,000
up. Sorry, Dave.

1191
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,280
» Um, Dave. Yeah. So,

1192
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,640
» Yeah, when we when we came in

1193
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,240
» Still going.

1194
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,400
» Do you have any other questions? I have

1195
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:58,960
a what? I have a whole minute.

1196
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,119
» Finish finish your questions. We part

1197
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,040
two.

1198
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:03,440
» No, if you could stop the clock, I'd be

1199
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,319
happy to do that. Ask your questions and

1200
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,200
I'm gonna answer.

1201
00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:06,160
» Oh, okay.

1202
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,680
» 18.

1203
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:13,599
» Okay. The um Have we done anything as

1204
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:16,880
far as the town the burrows uh speed

1205
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:19,440
limits enforcing the speed limits in our

1206
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,000
town? We would, the lady spoke about the

1207
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:25,440
county road, but we also would like to

1208
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,400
have the uh burrow street safe. Has

1209
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,280
anything been done?

1210
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,839
» Absolutely.

1211
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,079
» What?

1212
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:31,599
» We've been on Durban, Flora. We're all

1213
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,839
over the county. And by the way, that

1214
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:36,480
county road is in the burrow.

1215
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:37,359
» So, we we consider that part of our of

1216
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,200
our regulations.

1217
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:41,599
» So, you can enforce the law on the

1218
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:45,520
county road as well as here.

1219
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:47,359
» Okay. Um, how's Bel Street going?

1220
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,000
» My neighborhood. I think Ron covered

1221
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:50,800
that earlier.

1222
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,280
» I I didn't hear it. Are they paving it

1223
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,040
or what?

1224
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,680
» Yeah, that Well, go I don't

1225
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,200
» Can we let him go with his question then

1226
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,520
answer him after just because

1227
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:03,119
» Um it's good to see the guardrail fixed

1228
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,359
on Crescent and um the fire hydrants all

1229
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:09,760
painted red which bright red which is

1230
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:12,880
nice. I see you've been doing that. Um

1231
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,960
let's see the marijuana how with your

1232
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,520
committee. I mean, it seems like it's

1233
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,359
the horse has left the barn. It seems

1234
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,400
like Stanh Hope has it and all these

1235
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:25,359
other towns have it. 2,000 towns, there

1236
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,240
are 2,000 marijuana shops in New Jersey

1237
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:30,480
already. Uh it would seem that we're

1238
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:34,240
spinning our wheels now to get it in

1239
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:36,640
Hakai. How much how much uh have we

1240
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:38,400
spoken to Stanh Hope and and some of

1241
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,400
these other burrows to see how much

1242
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,960
they're making and whether it's worth

1243
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,760
all your efforts or maybe your efforts

1244
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,240
could go into other areas.

1245
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,119
» Thank you.

1246
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,400
» Hang on, Dave.

1247
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:50,960
» Okay, we're gonna All right, we'll go

1248
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,520
around.

1249
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,560
» Dave, hang on.

1250
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,560
» Oh, so regarding public comment. So when

1251
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,000
we Yes, when we came in in 2024 with the

1252
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,359
new administration, we added the second

1253
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,680
public comment section back. We

1254
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:03,920
increased public comment to 5 minutes.

1255
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,359
This year the time was reduced to 3

1256
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,400
minutes and I can say I can only speak

1257
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:08,640
for myself. I can't speak for the rest

1258
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,319
of council. I didn't go through the

1259
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,839
agenda personally with a fine tooth

1260
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:14,079
comb. I recognize that the time was

1261
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:15,680
lowered to 3 minutes after the fact. I

1262
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:17,680
much would prefer to see it at 5

1263
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,920
minutes. Some people prefer that the

1264
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,000
meeting keep going. So four minutes cut

1265
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,640
off saves them a lot of time I suppose.

1266
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,480
But I would love to have that discussion

1267
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,079
with council later about putting public

1268
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,920
comment back to 5 minutes. If anybody's

1269
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,359
taking the time to come out and speak,

1270
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,480
I'm not we shouldn't be cutting you off

1271
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:33,920
like we should be here to listen for

1272
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:38,280
you. It's our jobs. So,

1273
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,280
» Thank you. I greatly appreciate that.

1274
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:44,079
» You want to you touch on Bill?

1275
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:45,359
» You want to touch on Belle, Dave? Huh?

1276
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,640
» Bel,

1277
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:47,359
» You got a couple more questions to

1278
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,400
answer, right?

1279
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:51,400
» Oh, yeah. Well, no. You guys

1280
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,160
» Can you hear me?

1281
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:55,200
» I can.

1282
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,720
» Okay.

1283
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,040
» We're having a pre-construction meeting

1284
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:01,119
next week for the installation of the

1285
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,880
water man, the new water man, and then

1286
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,640
when they're done, we'll repave the

1287
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,800
road. So, we're we're setting the

1288
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,720
schedule next week. We'll communicate

1289
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,160
that out to everybody once we know what

1290
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,800
that is, the lead time on getting

1291
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:15,119
materials and all that stuff. So, yes,

1292
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,200
progress on Bell is happening. We'll

1293
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,359
you'll see some progress in construction

1294
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,800
hopefully very soon. Okay.

1295
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:23,680
» And can I answer your question on Bell,

1296
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,119
Dave? I agree with you 100%. That that's

1297
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,319
what happens when we drive our feet for

1298
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,280
a year and a half.

1299
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:28,880
» You mean cannabis?

1300
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,760
» On cannabis. What did I say?

1301
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,520
» Bill.

1302
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,839
» Oh my god. I'm so sorry. On cannabis.

1303
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,040
Yes.

1304
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:34,480
» Wow.

1305
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,440
» Uh and I agree with you about the five

1306
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,640
minutes and that clock.

1307
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,480
» Jeez.

1308
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,960
» You're welcome.

1309
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,440
» Thank you. Anyone else?

1310
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,680
» Bell cannabis.

1311
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,240
But I just said that. But I just said

1312
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,839
that.

1313
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:50,960
» Hey, good evening everyone. My name is

1314
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:52,559
Ryan Za. Uh I'm sorry about speeding and

1315
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,160
shooting off fireworks. I'll stop that

1316
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:56,480
immediately.

1317
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,319
» Uh thank you Councilwoman Rodriguez for

1318
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:01,280
bringing up the uh stop sign again at

1319
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:03,760
Shore and Repelia. Appreciate that.

1320
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,800
» Uh Councilman Falcone.

1321
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,839
» Yeah.

1322
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,960
» There we go, sir. Um, speaking of shore

1323
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:14,160
and repellia, uh, there are four cones

1324
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,319
in front of my house on on well shore

1325
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,760
repellia areas really right there. Those

1326
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:19,359
cones have been there for about 4

1327
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,800
months. I know we're, you know, we're

1328
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:23,440
getting to everything that we can as

1329
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:26,319
quickly as we can, but uh, another

1330
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,839
resident brought up the fact their their

1331
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:30,160
cones or their issues were addressed

1332
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:31,599
within 48 hours. It's been quite a few

1333
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,839
months now that those cones have been

1334
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:35,280
there. One of those cones is mine. uh

1335
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:36,480
you can use it as long as you need, but

1336
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,040
please just give it back when you're

1337
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,920
done. Um, regarding the marijuana, I

1338
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,200
know we're going to be talking about

1339
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,400
this shortly. I don't know if this is

1340
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,559
going to be addressed or has been

1341
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:48,480
addressed, but under NJSA1 1937-1, a

1342
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:50,079
non-binding municipal question adopted

1343
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,079
by the governing body has to be filed

1344
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:54,559
within the county clerk 88 days before

1345
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:56,319
the general election. This November,

1346
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:58,160
that date was August 7th. Tonight is

1347
00:49:56,319 --> 00:50:01,040
September 2nd, and this is the only

1348
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,200
first reading. Uh, so which election is

1349
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,920
this ref uh referendum intended for? or

1350
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,559
is it uh November of 2026 or November of

1351
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,160
2027? I asked the council to say plainly

1352
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,480
because most residents hearing the word

1353
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:15,359
referendum tonight uh will assume

1354
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,359
they're voting on this fall. Uh second

1355
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:19,119
question on sequencing. If ordinance 21

1356
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:21,760
permits cannabis business now and the

1357
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:23,920
referendum on ordinance 24 can't reach

1358
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,640
voters until a year or more from now,

1359
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,319
what is the referendum meant to decide?

1360
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,520
Would the council delay final adoption

1361
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:32,800
of ordinance 21 until after the vote? or

1362
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,520
is the permitting ordinance going

1363
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,839
forward regardless of the result? Either

1364
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,839
answer is legitimate policy choice, but

1365
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:42,559
residents should know which one is this

1366
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:45,040
before a public hearing on ordinance 21.

1367
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:47,119
Uh third on process, will the full text

1368
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,960
of both ordinances, including the exact

1369
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,640
wording of the ballot question, be

1370
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,280
posted on the bureau's website before

1371
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,599
the public hearing and not only made

1372
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,119
available at the clerk's office. Uh I'll

1373
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,040
close with a simple request. If the

1374
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:01,359
intent is to let voters weigh in on the

1375
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,760
cannabis retail, the cleanest way to

1376
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:05,200
honor this is to hold ordinance 21 until

1377
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,200
the question has actually been put to

1378
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,440
them. If the intent is something else,

1379
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,720
please just say so tonight clearly for

1380
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,960
the record.

1381
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:13,960
» Thank you.

1382
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,440
» You take that one.

1383
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,839
» Yeah. So the the council had made a

1384
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,079
decision and council members can correct

1385
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:24,480
me if I'm wrong that this has gone on

1386
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:26,480
for quite some time. So there was some

1387
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,880
sentiment to see what the sentiment of

1388
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,800
the uh voters in the burrow thought

1389
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,800
about that and then also but they didn't

1390
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,319
want to waste time and not proceed with

1391
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,160
the ordinance. So they're proceeding on

1392
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:40,400
on dual tracks, right? So if the

1393
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,680
ordinance has to be sent down, assuming

1394
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,960
it's introduced today, down to the land

1395
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,640
use board, as you know, they got their

1396
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,000
30-day approval process, but the

1397
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,160
ordinance wouldn't be introduced and

1398
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,440
adopt it wouldn't be adopted unless and

1399
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:53,920
until that question passes uh at the

1400
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,359
November election. So, we've already

1401
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,119
talked to the clerk. The clerk's going

1402
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:58,800
to have that. He's got it. He's got it

1403
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,960
on the ballot already. Even though it

1404
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,319
says 88, but the 88 days is really to

1405
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,760
give enough time for the clerk for the

1406
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:05,599
ballots to be printed and stuff like

1407
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,559
that. That's been handled and it's it's

1408
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:10,160
non-binding anyway. So the point was the

1409
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:13,920
council wanted to have it on a dual

1410
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:15,920
track so that uh if it's turned down by

1411
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,359
the voters then they're not going to

1412
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,280
then obviously the ordinance but we

1413
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:21,040
didn't want to lose two months because

1414
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,760
you know we have to it's for 10 days

1415
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,760
between introduction and then uh second

1416
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,960
reading and public hearing. So that was

1417
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,880
the intent

1418
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,720
» And the county clerk they last meeting

1419
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,240
they authorized by resolution and by

1420
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:34,000
vote that the question that will go on

1421
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,599
the ballot and that was handed to the

1422
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,119
clerk that very next day and it was

1423
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,880
taken to the printer. So it will be on

1424
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,599
this year's election

1425
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,119
» And you're right

1426
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,200
» And you will see it you'll see a lot of

1427
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:45,200
publications coming up very soon about

1428
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,720
hey on your vote this year you're going

1429
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,720
to see a question and this is what it

1430
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:51,440
means. So that's coming up

1431
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:54,400
» And also the ordinance in full is on the

1432
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:57,119
website if you go on to aon.org or you

1433
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,839
go into the council minutes, mayor and

1434
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:01,680
council meeting minutes, the entire

1435
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:03,599
ordinance, both of those ordinances are

1436
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,599
are there in full text and it does say

1437
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:07,440
in 2120

1438
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:10,480
21-2026

1439
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:13,920
that the adoption of that ordinance is

1440
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:16,319
after it's I think November November 9th

1441
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,359
» 9th is the is that's the final reading

1442
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:19,520
for 21.

1443
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:21,920
» The ordinance you see tonight is is a is

1444
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,920
is a mandatory. You have to have it by

1445
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,599
ordinance, but they allow us by

1446
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,960
resolution vote of the bureau to get it

1447
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,640
to the clerk so they can get it to the

1448
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,800
printer so they can get it there. This

1449
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,319
memorializes that question through

1450
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,880
through the ordinance. So that's why you

1451
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:36,480
see it tonight as well. That's just to

1452
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,839
back up that we've done the right the

1453
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,440
right thing to get it to the clerk and

1454
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:43,040
it's got to be by done by ordinance. So

1455
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,760
» Why do you have cones outside of your

1456
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:49,359
house?

1457
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:51,040
Well, I there are four sewage drains,

1458
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:52,559
water drains, whatever they are, and

1459
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,240
they are falling apart. One of them

1460
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,000
literally is collapsing into the road

1461
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:57,680
just to hold and you know, I got kids

1462
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,839
that play around there and people

1463
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,119
certainly drive around. But the cones,

1464
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:03,599
three of them were dropped by I'm

1465
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:05,839
assuming either the police or DPW as

1466
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:07,760
just warnings to to motorists is like,

1467
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:09,839
"Hey, don't drive over this drain

1468
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,119
because it's collapsing." And then uh

1469
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:12,480
one right in front of my house was

1470
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:14,079
collapsing. I put the cone there. I

1471
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,960
called the cops. They came they they

1472
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:18,640
came they bought DPW DPW came checked it

1473
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,400
out but you know that was over a month

1474
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,000
and a half ago two months ago and like I

1475
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,319
said the other three cones have been

1476
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,480
there for a very long time. So I mean

1477
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:27,920
you know maybe just send someone over.

1478
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,880
» Do we have your address? I mean not

1479
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,520
right now but like

1480
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,440
» Yeah. Yeah.

1481
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,119
» Email somebody your address.

1482
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,760
» Oh if you just go to the corner of shore

1483
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:34,079
of Elliot.

1484
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,359
» Yeah.

1485
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:38,960
» Oh sorry. I think you said that right.

1486
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:41,760
» Yeah.

1487
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,200
» Very good. Anyone else

1488
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,359
not seeing anything? Motion to bring it

1489
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,400
back. Motion.

1490
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:47,599
» Second.

1491
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,440
» All those in favor?

1492
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:51,839
» I.

1493
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,079
» Moving on to the approval of minutes for

1494
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:56,559
the August 12th, 2026 meeting.

1495
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:59,520
» I'll make a motion to second.

1496
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:00,720
» And the roll call.

1497
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:00,960
» Uh, Mr. Falcone?

1498
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:01,680
» Yes.

1499
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,079
» Miss Johnson?

1500
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,960
» Yes.

1501
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:03,280
» Mr. Cruz?

1502
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,079
» Yes.

1503
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,400
» Miss Rodriguez?

1504
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:05,280
» Yes.

1505
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,200
» Mr. Taylor?

1506
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,960
» Yes.

1507
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,960
» Thank you. Moving on to the consent

1508
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:14,079
agenda, we have the reports from the

1509
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:16,480
zoning officer, April through July. Tax

1510
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:20,240
collector's report July through July

1511
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,680
2026 and resolution 2026-171

1512
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:24,960
authorizing the hunting on municipal

1513
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,160
owned property for the 2026 2027 hunting

1514
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,119
season.

1515
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,400
» I'll make the move

1516
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:32,640
» Second.

1517
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,359
» Discussion.

1518
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:39,839
I know last year I mentioned it several

1519
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:42,160
times regarding the hunting our code we

1520
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:45,359
are supposed to have a wildlife task

1521
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:47,760
force right

1522
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:49,760
our residents are given warnings they

1523
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,400
are fined when they don't follow the

1524
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,720
code book we are not following our code

1525
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,040
book I've brought this up several times

1526
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:58,960
it's

1527
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,319
can we just can we do it can we put it

1528
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,799
together we're supposed to get an annual

1529
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:04,240
report every June or July I to make sure

1530
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:05,760
that both sides of the tables are

1531
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,599
represented between environmentalists

1532
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,520
and and hunters. And we haven't been

1533
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:11,119
able to do this. I do have residents who

1534
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,559
are interested in being part of this

1535
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:15,119
wildlife task force. It's something that

1536
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:17,119
we should do. It's in our code. Is this

1537
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,880
something that we can get done this year

1538
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:20,160
to have in place going forward for next

1539
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,920
year. This is the third or fourth

1540
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,440
request for this now.

1541
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,359
» This is something that we are working

1542
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,720
on. Um we are waiting to hear back from

1543
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:27,440
the state. Have we heard from the

1544
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,559
meeting yet?

1545
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,839
» We're waiting to hear back from the

1546
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:31,040
state to be able to have our first

1547
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:32,480
meeting.

1548
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,319
» So once we have that,

1549
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,200
» We're looking for him to come in since

1550
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:40,400
nobody here currently is um familiar

1551
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:42,960
with the wildlife management task force.

1552
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,640
Um he's coming in to help us through and

1553
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,319
discuss everything with us of what we

1554
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,520
should do, shouldn't be doing. And since

1555
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:48,079
he's the expert, that's what we're

1556
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,440
waiting for.

1557
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:51,280
» Okay. Ron, can you please let me know

1558
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,799
when that meeting is if if I would love

1559
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,240
to join that if possible, just cuz

1560
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:58,280
again, I have many residents who are

1561
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:58,280
very interested in that. Thank you.

1562
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,040
» And the roll call.

1563
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:03,280
» Mr. Falcone?

1564
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,440
» Yes.

1565
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,079
» Miss Johnson? Yes. Mr. Kusc. Mr.

1566
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:06,400
Rodriguez?

1567
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:07,200
» Yes.

1568
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,720
» Mr. Taylor?

1569
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,799
» Yes.

1570
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,480
» Thank you. Moving on to resolution

1571
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:14,480
2026-172,

1572
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,480
the refund for construction permit on

1573
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,839
block 31606,

1574
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,400
lot 13.

1575
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:21,359
» Move. Second.

1576
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,240
» And the roll call.

1577
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:22,480
» Mr. FCone.

1578
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,359
» Yes.

1579
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,319
» Miss Johnson. Yes.

1580
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:25,119
» Mr. Cous. Yes.

1581
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:25,359
» M. Rodriguez.

1582
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,680
» Yes,

1583
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:30,000
» Mr. T.

1584
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:33,839
» Thank you.

1585
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,680
» Thank you. Moving on to 2026-173,

1586
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:39,119
refund of the construction permit block

1587
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,480
31606, lot 13. Motion

1588
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:42,319
» Second.

1589
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,280
» And the roll call.

1590
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:43,520
» Mr. Falcone?

1591
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,400
» Yes.

1592
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,359
» Miss Johnson? Yes.

1593
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,400
» Mr. Kus? Yes.

1594
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:47,280
» Miss Rodriguez? Yes.

1595
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,040
» Mr. Taylor?

1596
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,760
» Yes.

1597
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:57,000
» Thank you.

1598
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:57,000
Moving on to the bill list 2026-174.

1599
00:57:58,089 --> 00:58:00,240
[clears throat]

1600
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,960
» Motion.

1601
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,480
» Second.

1602
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,359
» And the roll call.

1603
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,680
» Mr. Falcone.

1604
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:06,640
» Yes.

1605
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,040
» Miss Johnson?

1606
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,839
» Yes.

1607
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,240
» Mr. Kus?

1608
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:09,119
» Yes.

1609
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:09,520
» Miss Rodriguez?

1610
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:10,400
» Yes.

1611
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,839
» Mr. Taylor?

1612
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,960
» Yes.

1613
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:13,280
» You didn't notice I said yes in the

1614
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,280
whole thing.

1615
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:18,960
» I said thank you.

1616
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,400
» Moving on to the introduction of

1617
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,920
ordinances. The introduction of

1618
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,599
ordinance 21-20 20226 an ordinance of

1619
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:29,079
the burough of Pacon County of Sussex

1620
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:29,079
and state of New Jersey

1621
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:35,119
definitions to chapter 242 article 2

1622
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:38,160
section 242-5 of the burough code

1623
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:39,839
deleting section 242-17F

1624
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:44,119
prohibited uses and structures and

1625
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:44,119
adopting new sections 242-60.2A

1626
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:50,079
through 242-60.2J

1627
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,319
2J permitting the operation of class one

1628
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:54,720
through class 6 cannabis licenses as

1629
00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:56,720
conditional uses within certain zones

1630
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,079
the burrow within certain zones in the

1631
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,079
burough for bathon

1632
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:01,079
» Discussion

1633
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,720
» Second poker face

1634
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,000
» Okay discussion

1635
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,720
» Yeah sure

1636
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,720
» The uh the

1637
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,920
other thing is I I I believe Anthony

1638
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,799
sent this to you.

1639
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:23,040
» Yes.

1640
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:26,640
» The DA fee from any youth center. I

1641
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:28,720
think that should be upheld. Not not

1642
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,520
everything, just schools and youth

1643
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,200
centers. It should be 1,000 ft.

1644
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,680
» I think that wording needs to go in

1645
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:38,640
there.

1646
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:40,640
» Okay. So, the thousand ft um our all of

1647
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,880
our schools are in residential areas. a

1648
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,920
cannabis dispens any kind of dispensary

1649
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,839
or manufacturing wouldn't be anywhere

1650
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,359
near the schools because all of our

1651
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:51,760
schools are in residential areas.

1652
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:53,920
They're not in the B1's or the B2s or

1653
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,400
the M1's or the M2s, which we're

1654
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:00,160
proposing. Uh thousand feet from daycare

1655
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,200
centers. Correct me if I'm wrong. We

1656
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,119
don't have any daycare centers.

1657
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,280
» Yes, we do.

1658
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:06,559
There's one. You have Westside

1659
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,200
Methodist,

1660
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:13,599
» Which is again,

1661
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:15,440
is that an R1? That's an R1. So, I mean,

1662
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,520
» There's still a possibility that a

1663
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,680
building a standalone building could be

1664
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,680
put there.

1665
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,160
» The,000 ft should I mean, it shouldn't

1666
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,720
be in there.

1667
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:30,559
» I I I I understand uh the point there. I

1668
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,839
would be equally concerned about liquor

1669
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,920
stores within the same amount of

1670
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:36,480
distance of all these facilities. So I

1671
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,160
think if we make the same concession for

1672
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,680
cannabis then we look at liquor stores

1673
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,200
being within 1,000 feet of schools too

1674
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,720
because I think we have about four or

1675
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,920
five that are within 1,000 feet of

1676
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:47,200
schools

1677
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:49,040
» And liquor and liquor. Yeah.

1678
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:52,400
I felt the same way last time when we

1679
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:54,480
discussed it and we saw 250 going to 500

1680
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,559
and when I was thinking about it today

1681
01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:00,319
» I felt the same thing like

1682
01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:02,880
» We're going to eliminate these or limit

1683
01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:04,960
these stores to be to such a specific

1684
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,200
area. Do we really want to choke him off

1685
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,720
like that? And like you said, does, you

1686
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,240
know, does alcohol being served in some

1687
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:13,040
liquor stores? And I think their limit

1688
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:16,200
is 200 ft, I believe, according to state

1689
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,200
New Jersey.

1690
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,200
» It would have to be because you have one

1691
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,640
right across from the hilltop, which is

1692
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,960
» Right. So I think

1693
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,920
» Property,

1694
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,720
» It's not unreasonable to even 250 ft. I

1695
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,559
don't think that's unreal.

1696
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:32,319
» I don't think 250 ft is unreasonable

1697
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:34,880
either. Um I I was a stretch for 500. So

1698
01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:35,599
yeah, I think I think 500 is excessive.

1699
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:40,319
I do agree.

1700
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:42,400
» Um, so on this, are we doing 500? Are we

1701
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:43,440
doing a,000? Are we doing 250?

1702
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,040
» Which one?

1703
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:48,559
» One through five. Yeah.

1704
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,720
» I mean, we had all at the last meeting,

1705
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:53,040
we like a straw poll. We said 500. We

1706
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:56,079
said we were good with most most of us

1707
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:57,520
were good with 500. I just

1708
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:01,200
» 10 times talking about it isn't enough,

1709
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:03,440
but 11 is like 500. like five years ago.

1710
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,760
I know that that's when the bull was

1711
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,160
here. So now that bull has left, you

1712
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,000
know,

1713
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,920
» So now we're dealing with something that

1714
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,920
the past council did.

1715
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,400
» So now this is like that's what we're up

1716
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:17,400
against. Everybody else around us has

1717
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,400
them.

1718
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,920
» Well, hold on. So we're okay with the

1719
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,160
500 feet. So it's going to stay 500 feet

1720
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,640
for all five of those. Okay.

1721
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,400
» Go ahead.

1722
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:30,319
» And then the other thing was just a

1723
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:32,160
vetting process. So, there were a a

1724
01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:34,000
couple. Okay. The vetting because there

1725
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,319
my I I have the one that Ron sent us

1726
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,440
that has all the red marks on it. Okay.

1727
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:41,599
So, because Anony's also limited the

1728
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,520
number of cannabis licenses from two to

1729
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:45,440
one on everything. And I think that we

1730
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,040
had all agreed that it was going to be

1731
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,920
two. So, we're going to stay with two.

1732
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,760
Are we good with two?

1733
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,480
» Well, we had all previously agreed on

1734
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,240
two.

1735
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,839
» But again, we talk about 10 times. We

1736
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,559
talk about 11. So, we're staying with

1737
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:56,400
two.

1738
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:58,640
» Okay. Go ahead.

1739
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,799
No, it was just a vetting of the license

1740
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:04,880
and then also how are we going to um

1741
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:06,079
» Vetting of the license? I don't see that

1742
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,880
» The vetting of the license.

1743
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,799
» I don't

1744
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,319
» That's what his big concern is the

1745
01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:13,599
vetting of the license.

1746
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:15,200
» How are we going to vet the the

1747
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:16,960
» To make sure that we have somebody who

1748
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,799
is

1749
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:22,880
legitimate? Let's put it that way.

1750
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:24,799
» Hold on. I just want to I'm just

1751
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,599
» And then also the revoking of the

1752
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:26,799
license.

1753
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:27,280
» Okay. I [clears throat] just want to

1754
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:28,960
look.

1755
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,160
» Well, does the does the So, let's say

1756
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,440
this goes into I'll use the cleaners for

1757
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,440
an example, right? Let's say it goes

1758
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:38,400
there, right? Would the would would

1759
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:41,200
would we be the party responsible to bet

1760
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,480
who the landlord puts into that? Like

1761
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,400
right now, they have a smoke shop,

1762
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,240
right? like next to the cleaners like do

1763
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,480
you think they did a a diligence on the

1764
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:52,160
background or like would you expect the

1765
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,680
town to do the diligence on all vendors

1766
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,480
that come into town that go on private

1767
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,119
property?

1768
01:03:54,480 --> 01:04:01,480
» Well, I think that's what Anthony's

1769
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:01,480
question is is who who's going to

1770
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:05,119
who's it going to be,

1771
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,319
» Right? But I guess my question is like

1772
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:11,359
is that an overreach of of council's

1773
01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:13,839
power, right, to go into a private

1774
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:16,079
location and say we need background

1775
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:19,119
checks on because if you do that, like

1776
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:21,920
if you start doing background checks on

1777
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:24,640
um um small businesses that are coming

1778
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,599
into a private

1779
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,359
uh um business, then I think we have to

1780
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,680
open up the door to do background checks

1781
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:33,680
on whoever buys the gas station. I also

1782
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:36,559
just arrest I want to point out the

1783
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:39,280
amount the amount of background checks

1784
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:41,520
and and the the hoops that you have to

1785
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,920
go through with the state of New Jersey

1786
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,520
just to get the license. There does not

1787
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,160
have to be an additional background

1788
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:51,119
check process done for somebody. But

1789
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,760
your question is more about where it's

1790
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:52,720
going.

1791
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,960
» No. M

1792
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:58,880
» Who actually

1793
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:01,839
um gives them a license to to say

1794
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,440
» To do it in New in this town?

1795
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:04,559
» Does the license come to us or New

1796
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,319
Jersey?

1797
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:08,480
» Well, we would issue them a local, you

1798
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:09,039
know, we have to here and it says the

1799
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,680
council

1800
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:12,319
» The council,

1801
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:15,520
» You know, making the call vetting if the

1802
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:18,640
council's issuing the license,

1803
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,240
» Then then it should also be vetted

1804
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,839
through the state. So we should know

1805
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,200
what the state is approving them.

1806
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:24,240
» Well, the state the state

1807
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,079
» Anthony is saying

1808
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,640
» But the state they can't come to us and

1809
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:30,640
ask for a license from us unless they

1810
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,559
have all of their licensing through the

1811
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:35,039
state

1812
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:38,079
» Us after they

1813
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:39,839
no judge

1814
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,319
they're being they're beinged through

1815
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:41,200
the state

1816
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:43,200
» And then they're being vetted through

1817
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,520
the state and then and then we're

1818
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,200
» Okay

1819
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:48,240
» We're the ones issuing it. And then the

1820
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,240
last issue is how are we going to deal

1821
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,559
with any

1822
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:54,400
» Uh revoking of licenses from the

1823
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:56,720
» And here's where I did speak we spoke

1824
01:05:54,400 --> 01:06:00,559
Ron and I did speak about this um there

1825
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:03,039
were two things actually um that I

1826
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:05,520
am on board with and that was the repeat

1827
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:07,520
well I'm okay with but I would tell you

1828
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,760
if I wasn't but the repeated violations

1829
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,280
of this ordinance so the revocation

1830
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,720
repeated violations of this ordinance

1831
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,920
maintenance of a public nuisance

1832
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,599
repeated substantial complaints

1833
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,160
involving public safety. It was that

1834
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:20,000
part in in your emails. Uh failure to

1835
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:22,720
control loitering activities adversely

1836
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,160
affecting the public safety uh may

1837
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,599
constitute grounds for suspension,

1838
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,760
conditioning, or revocation of a

1839
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:30,880
municipal cannabis license. And I I do

1840
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,280
agree that I think that your

1841
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,319
» Yes.

1842
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,680
» Okay, that's all

1843
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:34,559
» That I feel like that should be in

1844
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,240
there, too.

1845
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:38,640
» And then the other part that he had was

1846
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,720
about the transferability.

1847
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:43,039
» Yeah, that's Yeah, but I think it wasn't

1848
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,720
really about the transfer. Well, I think

1849
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:46,400
that that's I think that that makes it

1850
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,000
easier and I think he's right. The

1851
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,839
limitation may discourage higher quality

1852
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,280
operators from investing in the bureau.

1853
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:53,599
And we might like he said, we might want

1854
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,960
to consider this. Any issue like any

1855
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,799
license issued by the bureau shall be

1856
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:00,319
non-transferable.

1857
01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:01,760
Oh, no, no, no. He wants to change that,

1858
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:04,000
» Right?

1859
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,440
» On sessation of the business operations,

1860
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,640
the license shall be surrendered and

1861
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,880
shall be deemed void.

1862
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:12,319
» Right. We want do we want to make it

1863
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,839
easier to transfer the license?

1864
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:14,480
» What was Anthony's suggestion? I wasn't

1865
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:17,119
following

1866
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,920
» To make the license void once once the

1867
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:19,520
person leaves.

1868
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,520
» The ordinance already states that it's

1869
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,880
non-transferable. Anthony wants to

1870
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:27,039
change that to make it transferable.

1871
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,760
» Yeah. So, give me a scenario that I

1872
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,359
could understand.

1873
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,799
» So, I have a business. I have a license

1874
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:31,200
through the state through the bureau.

1875
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:33,599
Yep.

1876
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:36,319
» And I have to leave. I have to move and

1877
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:38,319
I have to relinquish that that

1878
01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:40,880
» Uh it's almost like it's almost like a

1879
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:42,720
liquor license. You can buy that liquor

1880
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,240
license or not. I think that's what

1881
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,520
Anthony wants is to make it

1882
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,200
transferable.

1883
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,760
» So somebody else could buy the license.

1884
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,720
» Yes.

1885
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,119
» I don't that

1886
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,880
» From the not from the town.

1887
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:54,880
» No, from the owner I think.

1888
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,640
» But it's not the I don't think that

1889
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,559
that's what he was saying.

1890
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,240
» Any license issued by the bro? Well, can

1891
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:01,680
we touch up on this a little more

1892
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,160
because it sounds like it's looking more

1893
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,760
complicated, but I mean and we're going

1894
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,440
to introduce it anyway. So, why don't we

1895
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,039
just introduce it and then discuss this

1896
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,400
and then we'll catch up with them

1897
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:12,720
» Because I would envision that license

1898
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,359
coming back to us for us to reissue it.

1899
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,880
» Yes.

1900
01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:17,920
» Yeah. And I think I think the state's

1901
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,679
going to require that

1902
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,600
and then the other only other part so I

1903
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:23,040
think we should keep it the way it is.

1904
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,679
» And then the only other part was the

1905
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:29,120
standalone facility that right that

1906
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:29,120
needs to be discussed.

1907
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:37,040
What's what's the standalone

1908
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,880
» A standalone facility instead of being

1909
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:41,359
like in a strip mall or something like

1910
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,279
that? I know I know some of the some of

1911
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:46,960
the towns are very strict about that.

1912
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:49,120
They don't want in like a uh like a like

1913
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,120
Walgreens area because somebody could

1914
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,600
break through the wall come over the

1915
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,640
ceiling

1916
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,759
» That's also 200 500 ft from a right

1917
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,520
right from a park right

1918
01:08:55,759 --> 01:09:00,719
» But still but there are some areas in

1919
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:02,960
town where you can put it where it's not

1920
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:05,279
» My opinion is that it is absolute gold

1921
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,359
uh overreach I think to tell somebody

1922
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:09,679
that it has to be a standalone facility

1923
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:11,199
and that they need to have documented

1924
01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:13,199
approval from the building owner and

1925
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:14,480
adjacent businesses which is what is

1926
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,880
this out.

1927
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:18,000
» I will say if you make it a standalone,

1928
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,480
» It's very limited, right?

1929
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,480
» You're limiting everything.

1930
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:26,239
» The the whole town is is shirt malls,

1931
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:28,400
» Right? Except for the grill.

1932
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:30,560
» Firehouse

1933
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,239
» Or the firehouse.

1934
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,040
» If you look at the ones surrounding

1935
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:37,759
towns, they're very well secured.

1936
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,759
There's no issue like I I don't really

1937
01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:42,239
see that big of an issue.

1938
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:43,679
» Yeah. I mean I don't I think stand alone

1939
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:44,480
I think that that'll be like really

1940
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:46,319
wasting your time.

1941
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:48,319
» Concurrent. So basically keeping

1942
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:50,159
everything the way we had except adding

1943
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:52,560
the thing about the revocation is where

1944
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:54,560
we are. Okay. So

1945
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:58,280
» Now we have the motion in a second to

1946
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,280
introduce. Right. Okay.

1947
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:01,120
» Mr. Falcone?

1948
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,080
» Yes.

1949
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,280
» Miss Johnson? Yes.

1950
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,400
» Mr. Cus.

1951
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:07,640
» Miss Rodriguez. Yes.

1952
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,640
» Mr. Taylor.

1953
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:16,159
Okay, moving on to ordinance 22-2026,

1954
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:17,840
ordinance amending chapter 231 entitled

1955
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:20,239
vehicles and traffic to add the stop and

1956
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,679
yield intersections within the burrow.

1957
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:25,040
Motion

1958
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:27,199
» Second and the roll call

1959
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:30,679
and I apologize I'm late discussion. Do

1960
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:30,679
we know when this

1961
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:35,120
» Once this is final? Like how quick after

1962
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,560
these are put up or is it kind of like

1963
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,400
already

1964
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,560
» Soon as you approve it? I mean it's got

1965
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,040
to go through the second reading.

1966
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,400
Right. And then

1967
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,800
» We have them in stock. So

1968
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,320
» Okay, perfect.

1969
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,600
» Roll call.

1970
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:52,000
» I forgot in stock.

1971
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,679
» Mr. Falcone. Yes. Miss Johnson. Yes. Mr.

1972
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,000
» Kusik.

1973
01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:57,280
» Yes. If it's this year,

1974
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:00,679
» Miss Rodriguez,

1975
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,679
» Yes. Miss

1976
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,480
» 23-2026

1977
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,159
Ordinance of the Burbo Packon County of

1978
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:08,000
Sussex State of New Jersey authorizing

1979
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:10,640
the acceptance of a donation of property

1980
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,719
known as block 410005

1981
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:15,360
lot 8 pursuant to the relevant

1982
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:18,360
provisions of NJSA4A

1983
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,360
col2-5

1984
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:27,120
motion second

1985
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:27,120
» Discussion

1986
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,000
I have a lot of questions about this

1987
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:34,400
ordinance and I understand what you're

1988
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,320
saying about it being more

1989
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:39,360
cost-effective for us to accept this

1990
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:42,320
donation. The issue is is that there are

1991
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:45,920
$7,300 of back taxes that are owed on

1992
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:48,480
this property and I feel that accepting

1993
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,920
it we that $7,300 is a wash that goes

1994
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,120
away, right? So that doesn't come back

1995
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,719
into our

1996
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,120
» How about we do this? How about we let

1997
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:58,000
Mr. slavery explain that process when

1998
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:59,520
you foreclose and or not foreclose.

1999
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,480
Let's take that. I think it'll answer

2000
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,920
all your question.

2001
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,120
» Totally understand your point, right?

2002
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,719
Because it seems like people are getting

2003
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,400
off the hook for 7,300 bucks. But here's

2004
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:08,560
the way you have to look at it. So, we

2005
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,719
would foreclose on that. So, you're

2006
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,400
talking 6 months at the earliest, maybe

2007
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:13,840
a year to actually foreclose on the

2008
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,360
property. So, in that time, you're

2009
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,600
paying for title searches, you're paying

2010
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,040
my firm, right? So, you're investing

2011
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,800
more money. You're not getting the

2012
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,159
$7,300, right? We wouldn't be

2013
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,840
foreclosing. if they had the tax money

2014
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:26,159
to pay it, they would have paid it. The

2015
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,760
other problem is you you're you're not

2016
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:29,440
only not getting that money each year,

2017
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,960
but your reserve for uncollected taxes

2018
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:33,360
goes up, which means the rest of the

2019
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:35,280
taxpayers of the bureau are subsidizing

2020
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:38,640
the people that don't pay their taxes.

2021
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:40,320
So, it's I understand exactly what

2022
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,520
you're saying, but it's not like we're

2023
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,840
giving away this we're not going to

2024
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:46,080
collect that $7,300. And then the other

2025
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:48,239
thing to add insult to injury is the US

2026
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,239
Supreme Court decided that's probably

2027
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:53,120
four or five years ago now that it used

2028
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:56,480
to be when you foreclosed on if you sold

2029
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,840
it and they owed you $7,300 and you made

2030
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:00,000
a h 100red,000 you got to keep the

2031
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,920
$100,000. Well, now you get to keep

2032
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,840
what's owed you, but you got to find the

2033
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,920
person and give them the money back. So,

2034
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,040
you're not getting the windfall. And not

2035
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:10,640
that you want to make money off of

2036
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:13,120
foreclosures, but it just it's it's

2037
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:15,600
cheaper for the town and quicker to take

2038
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,440
the donation, put that on the sell that

2039
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:20,320
property, right? Get it back on the tax

2040
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:22,719
roles and rather than spend money on

2041
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,080
lawyers uh fees and all that other stuff

2042
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:25,120
and then because because you're not

2043
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,280
going to collect that money,

2044
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:29,040
» Right? So then what's to stop everybody

2045
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,880
else who has a piece of vacant land in

2046
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:33,040
Hopakhong to just stop paying their

2047
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:35,360
taxes and then expect us to take it?

2048
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,679
Well, there's 133 of them already on the

2049
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,640
books.

2050
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:38,080
» Well, that's what I'm saying.

2051
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,199
» And that's what we're trying to we're

2052
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,920
trying to curb that

2053
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:43,280
» Those 133 people to just say, "Well, I'm

2054
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,960
going to donate it back to the burrow

2055
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,360
and we don't have to pay any foreclosure

2056
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,600
fee."

2057
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,679
» Well, here's the other problem is you

2058
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,679
also a lot of times when somebody owes

2059
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:52,880
back taxes, there's also other leans on

2060
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:54,400
the property, right? So, we're not going

2061
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,600
to take it unless the title work comes

2062
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,080
back clear and the only thing that's

2063
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,920
owed is the taxes. And the fact of the

2064
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,040
matter is people do that all the time.

2065
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,560
if they got a worthless piece of

2066
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,320
property and stop paying taxes on it and

2067
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,480
say let the town take it. So you can

2068
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:09,360
either take it willingly which is a heck

2069
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:11,280
of a lot cheaper or you can foreclose on

2070
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,360
them and then you can go through the

2071
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:17,360
same process. This only in my opinion

2072
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:18,320
speeds up the inevitable. So I I get it.

2073
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,000
You know, you're like, "Hey, we're

2074
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,840
giving away." But we're not we're not

2075
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:24,159
collecting that money. So you're going

2076
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,440
to spend money to foreclose on it and

2077
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:27,520
then we got to go through the same

2078
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:29,280
process of trying to sell it after we

2079
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,199
get it. And this just allows us to take

2080
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,880
it now and sell it. So yeah, could

2081
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:34,480
people come and do it, but every one of

2082
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,480
them you have to pass an ordinance

2083
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:38,239
anytime you do that. So if you feel the

2084
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,520
people are taking advantage, right? So

2085
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:40,560
» You've got to change over the title.

2086
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,719
You've got to we've got to pay for the

2087
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,800
title search. We've got to pay for the

2088
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:46,480
the deed to be changed over to our name.

2089
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,840
We've got to Right. And then and then I

2090
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:49,360
know the thought process is is because

2091
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:52,159
there's two other burden properties up

2092
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:55,360
there that are next to it, right? Yeah.

2093
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:57,199
» 120 and 122. I think this is 126. So if

2094
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:59,679
you merge them, then we can sell it as

2095
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:01,199
one lot. But here's the thing, we can't

2096
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:02,400
sell the other two lots. So what makes

2097
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:03,040
us think that we're going to sell three

2098
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,640
of them?

2099
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:07,199
» Well, is the connectivity of it, the

2100
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:09,920
connectivity to road, all of it. It

2101
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:12,080
again, it gives us the ability to pull

2102
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:14,640
from a list to go to put it on market

2103
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,560
like we've been selling all year. These

2104
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,080
these these properties have been in the

2105
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,719
foreclosure process, some of these

2106
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,400
things, since I was here in 2019. They

2107
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,840
haven't hit the courts. They're just

2108
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,360
sitting there. And when the US Supreme

2109
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,360
Court made that decision, it kind of

2110
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,920
halted everybody's tax foreclosures

2111
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,840
because then you have to do in personum,

2112
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,480
which is you got to personally serve the

2113
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,159
people. Um, and the state of New Jersey

2114
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:38,880
actually cleaned it up a little bit. So,

2115
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:39,920
it made it a little bit easier. But the

2116
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,520
way you got to look at it is you're

2117
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,840
getting whacked twice because you're not

2118
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,600
collecting the tax money and the rest of

2119
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,280
the burrow is making up for that reserve

2120
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,199
for uncollected taxes because you got to

2121
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:51,120
still get that money to fund your

2122
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:53,040
schools and everything else. So, it's

2123
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:55,360
it's a double. So, the sooner you get

2124
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:58,400
that in and get that sold or attempt to

2125
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,840
sell it, it's just a better and listen,

2126
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,400
it's it's in my interest for you to

2127
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,760
foreclose on it and pay me to do it. But

2128
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,600
I'm just telling you, I think it's

2129
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,760
there's no question it's a better deal

2130
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:09,120
to accept this. Now, if if all of a

2131
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,360
sudden everybody just stopped paying

2132
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,560
taxes on, you know, odd lots and stuff

2133
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:15,360
like that, well, then we'll have to

2134
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,560
address it. But for from a dollars and

2135
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,480
cents, it makes more sense.

2136
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,239
» Do we have do we have an interested

2137
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:22,480
buyer in those three lots?

2138
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:25,920
» Not yet. I do though have interested

2139
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:28,320
buyers in other on other lots that if

2140
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,760
this passes, I get to pick up the phone

2141
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,040
as soon as it passes because I have

2142
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,320
people calling all the time. When are

2143
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,440
you going to foreclose on that property?

2144
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,040
When are you going to foreclose on this

2145
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:37,120
property and it's stuck in the

2146
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,640
foreclosure process? I don't know when

2147
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,080
it's ever going to be foreclosed.

2148
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,679
» So my I have another follow-up question

2149
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,199
to that. So if it's not in the

2150
01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:44,560
foreclosure process, like this piece of

2151
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:45,600
property is not in the foreclosure

2152
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,199
process.

2153
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,760
» It is. It's on the rim list. all the

2154
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:51,280
properties that would I have 133

2155
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,719
properties that are on the rims list.

2156
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,239
That's one of them.

2157
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:55,280
» And we've sent it for foreclosure

2158
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:56,000
already.

2159
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,880
» I don't know.

2160
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,000
» I don't know. Final searches on whether

2161
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,880
it is on the list because we didn't

2162
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,840
file. You don't fileund

2163
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,800
at a time.

2164
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:09,199
» To me sounds like we have 133 properties

2165
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,280
that are dead for us as far as the tax

2166
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:14,239
base is concerned. Yep. So, and we're

2167
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,239
arguing about expeding the process and

2168
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:18,239
then getting it back into the revenue.

2169
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:19,840
all of them, but not all of them are

2170
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:21,440
going to be purchased.

2171
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,120
» We should try it. We should try it and

2172
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:24,159
see if it works. If it doesn't work,

2173
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,000
then we don't know.

2174
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:28,159
» Not any worse place. That's

2175
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,679
» Because it's 133 already off the list

2176
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,159
anyway. So, let's just try with a couple

2177
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:32,159
of them.

2178
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:33,840
» Stop paying their taxes. I think that's

2179
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,440
» 133.

2180
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,000
» I I understand your philosophy in the

2181
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:39,760
way, but what you have to think about is

2182
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,880
» They're not paying those taxes. So,

2183
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,120
we're either going to get the property

2184
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,960
back now or we're going to wait a year

2185
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,640
and spend more money on it and then be

2186
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,159
in the same spot because now we're going

2187
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,159
to have the property back and now you're

2188
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:51,760
trying to sell it. So, if there's if

2189
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:53,600
there's nobody to buy it now or there's

2190
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,600
nobody to buy it in a year, we've saved

2191
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:58,960
a heck of a lot of money just taking the

2192
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:01,120
donation now.

2193
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,440
» We don't we don't get to put it back on

2194
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:05,199
the rolls. My mission here has been

2195
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:07,760
completely to get those types of

2196
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:10,159
properties back on the tax rolls. That

2197
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,360
is true revenue for this burough. That

2198
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:14,239
is as pure as it gets.

2199
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:16,000
» And do we know that this property is

2200
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:21,000
buildable?

2201
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:21,000
» It's not in the wetlands, but it's not

2202
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:27,120
» Well, but listen, a lot of times people

2203
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,480
will buy what's considered a useless

2204
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,440
strip of property depending on who's

2205
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:31,679
next to one because they want to use it

2206
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:33,040
as a buffer. So people buy all sorts of

2207
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:35,040
stuff that you would scratch your head

2208
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,080
and say why. So it doesn't have to be.

2209
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,679
Matter of fact, the statutes

2210
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,760
differentiate between what's a buildable

2211
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:41,920
lot and what isn't. So when it's an

2212
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,520
undersized lot, you are required by

2213
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,120
statute to offer to adjacent property

2214
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,640
owners first. You know, if it's a

2215
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,159
buildable lot, you have to auction it

2216
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,760
off to everybody. But

2217
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:51,520
» You know what I'm saying is so you're

2218
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,440
not getting that money. You're not going

2219
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,679
to get that money and you're going to

2220
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:57,280
wait a year to get the property back and

2221
01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:59,360
ultimately we're going to sell it. And

2222
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,440
the other thing is if you foreclose on

2223
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,120
it and we make money on it, you got to

2224
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:05,040
give whatever you made back to the

2225
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:07,679
person you foreclosed on. So this thing

2226
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:09,760
they're donating the property. So it's

2227
01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:10,719
your property. So if you make $100,000

2228
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:14,159
and you know I don't

2229
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:16,239
» So you end up with $8,700 whatever 7300

2230
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:17,600
for the tax on this property

2231
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:19,939
» No matter what.

2232
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,400
» Property is not worth $7,300. Right.

2233
01:19:19,939 --> 01:19:22,560
[laughter]

2234
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,159
» But the other thing is again, not only

2235
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,600
you're not collecting that, but also you

2236
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:27,360
got the reserve for uncollected taxes

2237
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,600
that you have to fund every year, right?

2238
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,679
And so the less properties that you have

2239
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,960
that are non-producing, it benefits

2240
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:33,600
everybody. So

2241
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,880
» Your tax

2242
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,159
» And I know it's tough to swallow because

2243
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,159
it's like you feel like you're letting

2244
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:39,840
somebody off the hook, but just dollars

2245
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:40,880
and cents, it makes sense to take the

2246
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,719
donation.

2247
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,719
» I say you give it a shot and then see if

2248
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:47,679
we could make heads out of it. I mean,

2249
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:49,040
there is 133 properties out there. So,

2250
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:50,880
» Just want to make sure it's also like

2251
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,840
not wetlands that,

2252
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,080
» You know, because then what do we do

2253
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,679
with it? Then it's ours and that's it.

2254
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,159
» Y

2255
01:19:55,679 --> 01:19:58,159
» Trail.

2256
01:19:56,159 --> 01:20:00,400
» But correct me if I'm wrong. If if we

2257
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:02,080
take it, even if we can't sell it, it no

2258
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,159
longer counts towards our reserve for

2259
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,320
uncollected taxes because now we own it.

2260
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:07,840
So there is a benefit even if you just

2261
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,280
take possession of it and don't sell.

2262
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,880
» There's the lean. That's for sure.

2263
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,679
» Yeah. Not that you want to hold, but I'm

2264
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,239
just saying

2265
01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:16,159
» We have to budget for that every year.

2266
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:17,600
» And then Mike, sorry. What happens if

2267
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:18,719
when we do a title search and there's

2268
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,679
something on the title, then what

2269
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:21,120
happens?

2270
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:22,320
» We don't have to we don't have to take

2271
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,840
it. Like if it turns out there's a

2272
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,679
federal tax lean or something like that,

2273
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,800
the ordinance specifically says that if

2274
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:27,120
there's any other leans on it, we don't

2275
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,000
take it.

2276
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:31,600
» We don't make it.

2277
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,120
» Okay, we have a motion in a second. Can

2278
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,159
I do a roll call?

2279
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,560
» Mr. Falcone?

2280
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:35,360
» Yes.

2281
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,080
» Miss Johnson?

2282
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,040
» Yes.

2283
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,360
» Mr. Fusick?

2284
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,320
» Yes.

2285
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,520
» Miss Rodriguez?

2286
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,400
» Yes.

2287
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,880
» Mr. Taylor?

2288
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:44,000
» Yes. Johnson. Thank you.

2289
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,640
» Thank you. Molly.

2290
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,080
» Uh, moving on to 24-2026,

2291
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,600
an ordinance of the bur of a Packon

2292
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,719
County of Sussex and state of New Jersey

2293
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,400
authorizing the submission of a

2294
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:54,159
non-binding public referendum to the

2295
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,679
voters of the burrow concerning the

2296
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:56,960
permitting of cannabis retail sales

2297
01:20:55,679 --> 01:20:58,480
within the burrow.

2298
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,719
» Motion second

2299
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:02,400
» Discussion just for clarification did in

2300
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:05,040
the uh question Ron did we say that

2301
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,960
there'd be a moratorum put in place

2302
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,640
right? Am I making that up in my head? I

2303
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,159
am

2304
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,600
» That's why I don't know if I dreamt it.

2305
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:16,520
Listen, we've had a lot of conversations

2306
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:16,520
about this. I just Okay, I'm just energ.

2307
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,120
I'm good.

2308
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,480
» Okay, take it out. Roll call.

2309
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,480
» Never mind.

2310
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,440
» Mr. Falcone, yes. Miss Johnson, yes.

2311
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,400
» Mr. Cusk, yes.

2312
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:27,199
» Miss Rodriguez, yes.

2313
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,239
» Mr. Taylor,

2314
01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:30,880
» Yes.

2315
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:32,000
» Thank you. Moving on to 25-2026,

2316
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,600
ordinance approving the code of the

2317
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:36,080
burbo pack on New Jersey entitled

2318
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:40,000
short-term rentals, chapter 189, section

2319
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:43,120
189-1 through 189-9.

2320
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:45,280
» Second. I just discussion. I just want

2321
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,800
to make sure again [laughter]

2322
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:50,400
» You call cannabis or short-term

2323
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:52,400
» Rental. I swear I promise the everything

2324
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,400
that has to do with the owner being on

2325
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,639
the property or a babysitter being on

2326
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,199
the property is gone from this

2327
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:57,840
ordinance.

2328
01:21:57,199 --> 01:21:59,840
» Yes, ma'am.

2329
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,760
» Okay. Then on the applications, correct?

2330
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,120
» The applications

2331
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:06,320
also

2332
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,760
» The uh timing of the billing and al

2333
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,360
there's one more thing. What is

2334
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,639
» The fines? the fines

2335
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,280
» And then the um

2336
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:12,719
» Time frame

2337
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,560
» The time frame of the payment. It

2338
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:15,199
matches the water and the sewer payment

2339
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,920
schedule.

2340
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:20,800
» And then the other big thing was is the

2341
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,600
thing uh it being the property owner's

2342
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,239
primary residence.

2343
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,760
» That's right. That's out.

2344
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:24,000
» That's out too. Perfect. Awesome. That's

2345
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,760
all.

2346
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,280
» And then we should also know shortly how

2347
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,960
much money we're getting from the state

2348
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,480
for the 3% tax.

2349
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:33,120
» Yeah. We should probably like wait six

2350
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:34,639
months to do that. Good number.

2351
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,560
» Hopefully we'll be a big

2352
01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:39,520
» Yeah.

2353
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:41,760
» Thank you. Uh, the roll call.

2354
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:44,320
» Mr. Falcone, yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Mr.

2355
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:46,800
Kus, Miss Rodriguez, yes. Mr. Taylor,

2356
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:50,239
» Yes.

2357
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:53,280
» You moving on to the final reading of

2358
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:54,800
ordinances. Ordinance 17-2026, an

2359
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,320
ordinance of the Bur of Alakon County of

2360
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,840
Sussex, state of New Jersey, authorizing

2361
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,920
the sale of a certain property owned by

2362
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,520
the burrow and not required for public

2363
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,600
purposes and more commonly known as

2364
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,320
block 10416

2365
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:08,000
lot 2, 20 Morris Road. I have a motion

2366
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,320
to open to the public.

2367
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,600
» Motion.

2368
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,639
» I'll second.

2369
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,520
» All those in favor?

2370
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:13,199
» I.

2371
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:17,239
» Meeting is open to the public for this

2372
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:17,239
ordinance and this ordinance alone.

2373
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,120
» Not seeing anything. Motion to bring it

2374
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,000
back.

2375
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,920
» Zoom made.

2376
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:25,520
» Second.

2377
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:27,679
» Uh, can I have a motion to finalize

2378
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:30,000
ordinance 17-2026?

2379
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:31,920
» I'll make the motion second.

2380
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,800
» And the roll call.

2381
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,040
» Mr. Falcone.

2382
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:33,920
» Yes.

2383
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,880
» Miss Johnson. Yes.

2384
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:35,760
» Mr. Kusf. Yes.

2385
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,000
» Mr. Mr. Rodriguez.

2386
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:36,800
» Yes.

2387
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,120
» Mr. Taylor.

2388
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,719
» Yes.

2389
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,719
» And the auction for this will be next

2390
01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:41,719
meeting.

2391
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:50,320
» Thank you. Uh final reading of ordinance

2392
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:53,199
18-2026

2393
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:56,800
and ordinance modifying section 17-27

2394
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:58,880
and 17-28 of ordinance 2025-11 which is

2395
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:01,920
LOAP.

2396
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,120
I have a motion to open to the public.

2397
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,760
» Second.

2398
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:08,000
» All those in favor?

2399
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,520
Oh, this ordinance is open to the public

2400
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,159
for anybody that would like to comment

2401
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,719
on the LOP ordinance.

2402
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:16,159
» Dave,

2403
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:20,239
» I just like to know what this is about.

2404
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:21,040
This is very doesn't say anything.

2405
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:22,880
» Yeah, absolutely.

2406
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:25,679
» For years,

2407
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:27,840
initially back in 2002, they voted on

2408
01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:30,000
the public voted on for us to get one

2409
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:32,560
and a half basis points for the LOAP.

2410
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,800
That's the the now to keep up with the

2411
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:37,120
LOAP annually. the IRS comes up with the

2412
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:40,880
number. So the one and a half basis

2413
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:43,040
points represents now about 300

2414
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:46,400
something,000. Well, back in 200

2415
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:48,000
representing like little 200,000. So

2416
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:51,600
every year keeps going up because of the

2417
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,320
values in so he's just making a

2418
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,400
» Housekeeping

2419
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:56,080
» Officially like housekeeping. That's

2420
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,320
what the numbers are going forward

2421
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:00,719
because in back a couple years ago they

2422
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:02,159
used to be like it's $100,000 which it's

2423
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:04,239
not. It was officially one and a half

2424
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:06,719
basis point. would just make it more

2425
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:08,560
clear to effort to avoid.

2426
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:11,440
» Do you want to know what BOAP is?

2427
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:14,320
» I I I I know what it is because I've

2428
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:15,440
heard it at other meetings. The fireman

2429
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,880
definitely deserve it.

2430
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:20,480
» It's length of service. So,

2431
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:23,600
» You know, it's just it's just uh that

2432
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:26,000
these things they're very vague. We

2433
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,600
really don't know what these guys are

2434
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,920
voting on.

2435
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:32,560
» Well, well, this is not vague.

2436
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:34,239
to and what what it says on the agenda.

2437
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,360
» Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah.

2438
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:36,880
» We can just get back to what this

2439
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,800
ordinance is. We can always talk about

2440
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,080
lengthening discussions for what's on

2441
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,159
the agenda.

2442
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,639
» Um, can I have a motion to bring it

2443
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:43,600
back?

2444
01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:45,760
» Motion. Second.

2445
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,639
» Wait, I thought wasn't that public

2446
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,520
discussion?

2447
01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:49,600
» Yeah.

2448
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,560
» About this ordinance, right? Okay. I

2449
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,679
just wanted to make sure it was

2450
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,199
» Well, no. We're talking now about

2451
01:25:51,679 --> 01:25:54,800
lengthening things on the agenda so that

2452
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:56,560
they're a little bit more understanding,

2453
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,320
which is not this ordinance, it's the

2454
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,920
agenda as a whole is how I understood

2455
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,480
you were saying it.

2456
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,199
» Thank you.

2457
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:04,480
» Yes.

2458
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:07,600
» Um, okay. Can I have a motion to move

2459
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:08,400
the final reading for 18-2026 for LOAP?

2460
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,840
» A motion.

2461
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,440
» Second.

2462
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,320
» And the roll call.

2463
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:16,639
» Mr. Falcone.

2464
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:18,719
» Yes. Miss Johnson. Yes. Mr. Fusive.

2465
01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:20,719
» Miss Rodriguez. Yes. Mr. Taylor.

2466
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:23,520
» Yes.

2467
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:25,840
Okay. Ordinance. Final ordinance. Uh,

2468
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:27,679
final reading on ordinance 19-2026,

2469
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,120
capital ordinance providing funding for

2470
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:30,400
leases for vehicles for the police

2471
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:30,960
department and the department of public

2472
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:31,600
works.

2473
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,120
» Motion.

2474
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,679
» Can I have a motion to open to the

2475
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,600
public?

2476
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:36,880
» Motion.

2477
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,480
» Although in favor

2478
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,960
» I

2479
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:44,000
» Uh this um ordinance is open to the

2480
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,880
public for any questions, comments.

2481
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:48,320
Dave,

2482
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:51,679
» What what period is this uh least for?

2483
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:53,840
It's very again it's very uh is it for a

2484
01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:56,320
year is it five years

2485
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:58,639
» Five years

2486
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,159
in the future to possibly would be put

2487
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:00,719
in the ordinance whatever it is

2488
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:02,159
» I think you have

2489
01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:04,080
» No it's in the it's in the ordinance

2490
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:06,080
it's you just have the agenda

2491
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,520
» You have the cover pages Dave

2492
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,120
» You don't have the supplemental packet

2493
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,800
that follows that typically that's

2494
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,560
online we're trying to save the trees

2495
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,560
and not print a thousand copies for the

2496
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,159
meetings so you guys get the cover page

2497
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,920
of the agenda to follow along

2498
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:20,239
» Just to put five years in I don't I

2499
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:22,560
think that would cut a lot of trees.

2500
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:25,300
» Yeah.

2501
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:27,320
» Very neighborly of you. Very nice.

2502
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:27,320
[laughter]

2503
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:32,040
» Okay. Anybody else?

2504
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,960
» Uh just 30 seconds. Uh we're spending

2505
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:41,120
money. I hope we're thinking about next

2506
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,800
year's budget already and looking into

2507
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,560
it.

2508
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,400
» I think

2509
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,120
» So.

2510
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:51,280
What exactly are we leasing? Why? Like,

2511
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,400
don't we have tons of vehicles already?

2512
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:54,080
What are we leasing?

2513
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,320
» These are replacement vehicles for those

2514
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:58,000
that it's in the lease program. We set

2515
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,199
that. So, they're already in the lease.

2516
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:02,920
They're cycling and these are the ones

2517
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:02,920
that are cycling through.

2518
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,480
Anyone else?

2519
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,880
Not seeing anything. Motion to bring it

2520
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:07,920
back.

2521
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,560
» Motion.

2522
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,239
» Second.

2523
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,920
» I have a motion for the final reading of

2524
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:12,639
19-2026.

2525
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,520
» Motion.

2526
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:15,760
» Second.

2527
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,719
» And the roll call.

2528
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,120
Mr. Falcone,

2529
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:18,080
» Yes.

2530
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,800
» Miss Johnson, yes.

2531
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,280
» Mr. Cusk,

2532
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,080
» No sir.

2533
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:20,320
» Miss Rodriguez,

2534
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,120
» Yes.

2535
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,960
» Mr. Taylor,

2536
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,719
» Yes.

2537
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:28,159
» Thank you.

2538
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:29,840
Final reading for 20 2026, an ordinance

2539
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:31,679
establishing a minimum and maximum range

2540
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,360
of salary and compensation for certain

2541
01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:35,600
titles of officers and employees of the

2542
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:37,280
Burough of Hopon. I have a motion to

2543
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,400
open to the public for this ordinance.

2544
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,920
So made.

2545
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:42,560
» Second.

2546
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:44,639
» So the uh meeting is open for this

2547
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,080
ordinance um and this ordinance alone.

2548
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:47,360
Does anybody have a question or a

2549
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:52,239
comment? Dave,

2550
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:54,400
» I'm sorry to take time, but uh in the

2551
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:57,600
past meetings you discussed that your

2552
01:28:54,400 --> 01:29:02,000
negotiations with public employees

2553
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:04,080
and we have no idea is uh what

2554
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:06,880
percentage a raise they're getting or

2555
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:09,679
how how you determine the raises that

2556
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:13,199
the employees get. Is it like a 2% raise

2557
01:29:09,679 --> 01:29:17,840
or 5% raise? Is it every year or is it

2558
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:19,280
uh No. How how is this raise uh uh

2559
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,639
figured out?

2560
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,000
» Would you like to answer that, Rob?

2561
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:24,480
» This isn't a raise. This is just setting

2562
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:27,120
ranges for salaries, right? So the the

2563
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:29,360
the union contracts are completely

2564
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:31,360
different. So that's if you got like

2565
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,639
three hours, we'll talk about how that

2566
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,880
works. But um

2567
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:36,560
» But with the union contracts are that

2568
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,880
because it affects our taxes.

2569
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,320
» Yeah.

2570
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,920
» Oh, no, no, no. They definitely affect

2571
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,600
your taxes. But I'm just saying this

2572
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,600
ordinance is just setting salary right.

2573
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:46,000
is these are not positions that are in

2574
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:47,840
the union contracts. These are the

2575
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,480
non-UN employees and it's setting a

2576
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,800
range.

2577
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:52,080
» And who decide who decides where on the

2578
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,639
range a particular

2579
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:56,400
» That's decided every year by the council

2580
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:58,800
» Each each individual

2581
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:01,120
» The council sets the whatever they set

2582
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:03,679
for raises for the salaries that that's

2583
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:05,360
done every year. And these are the

2584
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:07,520
ranges. We have to establish the ranges

2585
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:09,679
every year. We're required for pensions

2586
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:11,360
and civil service. We have to say here's

2587
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:13,679
the classifications and here's the

2588
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:15,520
ranges that that they fall within.

2589
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:17,040
People fall all within there. It depends

2590
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,639
on what they're hired at. It depends on

2591
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:21,280
what the annual ranges are. They float

2592
01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:23,360
through these r ranges. They're not one.

2593
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,960
It's not binary. That's at the bottom or

2594
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:27,120
at the top. So,

2595
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,800
» Can you explain to to the audience how

2596
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:31,120
we set those ranges though? What do we

2597
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,480
utilize to set a range for an employee?

2598
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:34,239
» Most of the times it's it's market

2599
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:35,679
value. It's market value. It's market

2600
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:37,600
surveys. It's a whole lot of different

2601
01:30:35,679 --> 01:30:39,280
mechanisms that you do classifications

2602
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,440
by. You look at area, other

2603
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:43,520
municipalities, other counties. We and

2604
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:45,440
we look at that range. Make sure our

2605
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,880
employees are somewhere in that range.

2606
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:48,239
» They available for years, too.

2607
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,920
» Yeah. This is good for five. We've done

2608
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:51,199
this. We've set this for five years now.

2609
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,920
So, this range is not going to change.

2610
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:52,239
» My position.

2611
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,560
» Yeah.

2612
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:56,159
» Yeah. Yeah. Matter of fact, this is on

2613
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,520
the this is on the website, you know,

2614
01:30:56,159 --> 01:30:58,000
with the agenda packet, right?

2615
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,639
» Yes.

2616
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:03,520
» Yeah. But you're entitled Anybody's

2617
01:31:00,639 --> 01:31:03,920
entitled to that information.

2618
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,280
» Thank you.

2619
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,719
» Anyone else?

2620
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,840
» Not seeing anything. Motion to bring it

2621
01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:08,960
back. Motion

2622
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,560
» Second.

2623
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,719
» And I have a motion for the final

2624
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,480
adoption of 20 2026.

2625
01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:15,520
» I'll make the motion.

2626
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:17,040
» Second.

2627
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,000
» And the roll call.

2628
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,719
» Mr. FCone?

2629
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,520
» Yes.

2630
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:20,480
» Miss Johnson?

2631
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,440
» No.

2632
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:22,480
» Mr. Gus?

2633
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,440
» Yes.

2634
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:24,159
» Miss Rodriguez?

2635
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,040
» No.

2636
01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:27,120
» Mr. Taylor?

2637
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:29,520
» Yes.

2638
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:31,120
» Thank you.

2639
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,719
Moving on to old business. We don't have

2640
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:35,920
old business. I'm moving on to new

2641
01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:39,440
business. The wellness center.

2642
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:43,520
» Yes. Um, so if you guys recall at the

2643
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:44,800
end of 2025 many times as my norm, I was

2644
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,320
asking what was happening with the

2645
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,159
wellness center because our lease

2646
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:50,719
expired at the end of I believe it was

2647
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:53,360
February of this year and I wanted us to

2648
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:55,040
have a game plan to know because the

2649
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,960
light consensus was we wanted to

2650
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:59,280
relocate the wellness center, not close

2651
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:01,440
it to a municipally owned building so

2652
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:05,040
we're not paying for rent and everything

2653
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:07,199
else out of pocket as a cost savings. um

2654
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:09,760
no answers were given. Um and then when

2655
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:12,880
it came up finally this year, we were

2656
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:14,719
locked in because it's now a polling

2657
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:16,800
location. So while there was never a new

2658
01:32:14,719 --> 01:32:19,199
lease signed right to date, we still

2659
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,800
have not we're paying we're paying

2660
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:22,800
monthtomonth

2661
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:25,120
with because it has to stay open as a

2662
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:28,719
polling location which is going to be

2663
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:33,360
November 2nd, 3rd, whatever it is. Can

2664
01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:35,360
we plan next steps now so we're not

2665
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,880
scurrying so it's not last minute if we

2666
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,960
have to send it to legal we have to send

2667
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:40,800
it to the GIF can we do it whatever

2668
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:43,120
we're going to do now so we're planning

2669
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:45,360
we have a game plan

2670
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,199
we have municipally owned buildings why

2671
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:50,719
are we paying more money out of pocket

2672
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:52,560
for a center that's open 9 to1 when most

2673
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:54,159
people are working we can put it in the

2674
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,639
senior center which I know we've talked

2675
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:58,400
about before you know the lower level of

2676
01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:59,840
the senior center can't fit it or it's

2677
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,360
not in good enough shape, but it's in

2678
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,840
good enough shape for us to rent out to

2679
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:05,760
groups to utilize. So, I guess it

2680
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,600
depends which way the the wind blows,

2681
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:10,320
but what are we doing with the wellness

2682
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:11,920
center?

2683
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,840
» Right now, we're month to month.

2684
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,360
» What's the game plan after?

2685
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,120
» Uh, you got to make a determination if

2686
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:20,000
you want to continue the operation there

2687
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:22,400
or find another alternate uh facility.

2688
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:25,679
Um, right now that's a very busy place.

2689
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:29,520
They they're they're on average 49

2690
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:32,960
walk-ins a week. Um that's since March

2691
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:35,120
of this year. The high of 79 and low of

2692
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:37,040
the high of 75 and low of 29 and

2693
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,639
everything each week is in between.

2694
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,920
That's a busy place. So

2695
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:41,280
» And that's and that's only it being open

2696
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,639
9 to1. Right.

2697
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:45,679
» Right. So to move it to a building

2698
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:47,760
that's open 9 to 4:30 where we run a

2699
01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:49,199
county lunch program out of where more

2700
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:52,199
services could be available to our

2701
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:52,199
seniors.

2702
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,760
» So is the proposal to move it to the

2703
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:57,600
senior center? I would like to see a

2704
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,920
move to an already municipally owned

2705
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:02,400
building. We are saving on rent alone is

2706
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:03,840
going to what $15,000 a year just the

2707
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,600
rent.

2708
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:07,840
» So why don't we as a council come up

2709
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:09,040
with some viable options where we can

2710
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,480
move it or where we think we should move

2711
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,920
it and

2712
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:13,760
» I think you would probably have to task

2713
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:17,440
the administrator with trying to do that

2714
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:19,760
because of uh the logistics of what the

2715
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:22,159
wellness center consists of currently

2716
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,760
with the access from the public and the

2717
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:25,600
access of whatever the public building

2718
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:28,080
would be. I know it's another job, Ron.

2719
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:30,239
I'm sorry. Um, but we would need to do

2720
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,840
that to see exactly space-wise what's

2721
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:34,320
utilized, what's necessary, what's

2722
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,520
needed before we make a decision to move

2723
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,360
into a building.

2724
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:39,280
» So, can we submit our suggestions to

2725
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,239
Ronda?

2726
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,159
» Sure. Okay.

2727
01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:44,560
» And then by the next meeting or maybe by

2728
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:46,000
the October meeting just so we're I

2729
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,199
don't want to give it a month. I think

2730
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,719
that's a long time, but I also

2731
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:50,080
» I don't know if Ron will be able to do

2732
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:51,760
all of the municipal buildings in a

2733
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:53,760
month,

2734
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,360
» But I don't want to speak. Did you mean

2735
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,760
give your suggestions before the next

2736
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:56,000
meeting?

2737
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,520
» No.

2738
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,880
» Well, for us to give him our suggestions

2739
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,400
by the next meeting and then maybe have

2740
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,400
him

2741
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,639
give us the viable options that are

2742
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,000
actual viable options for the first

2743
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:08,320
meeting of October. So, we're kind of

2744
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:10,239
getting it moving and rolling.

2745
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:12,719
» What do you think cost?

2746
01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:14,239
» That's fine. I I think we need to

2747
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:16,800
clearly understand the cost factors

2748
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:18,719
here. That is that what pays for this

2749
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:21,280
and what doesn't pay for that. So I will

2750
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:25,040
communicate that out tomorrow as well

2751
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:26,880
that it doesn't cost us we get grant

2752
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:30,080
monies in from the county from the

2753
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:32,159
public health grants and we take

2754
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:35,040
portions of that to pay for the villain.

2755
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:37,199
So it's not costing our budget to to

2756
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:41,120
facilitize that. We treat that as a

2757
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:44,159
public health a so we offset some of the

2758
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:46,080
cost on that using those monies. Would

2759
01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:47,520
we Sorry to cut you off, but would we

2760
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,120
lose that grant if

2761
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:51,040
» No, it's just about how we apply it.

2762
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:53,280
» That's the That's the county program

2763
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,639
grant, right? So, did you ever get an

2764
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,639
answer to your question about what line

2765
01:35:54,639 --> 01:35:58,000
item the the grant funding specific for

2766
01:35:56,639 --> 01:36:00,400
the wellness center comes from? Because

2767
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:02,239
I know we get the grant funding specific

2768
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,920
for the county lunch program.

2769
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:06,800
» Yes. The county lunch program for the

2770
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:09,760
senior center is about $27,000 a year

2771
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,159
that we use that they rent out our space

2772
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,520
right

2773
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:17,040
» From 9 to1 Monday through 9 to2

2774
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:18,639
» Monday through Friday. Um the grant the

2775
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:22,040
wellness grant that we get I think is

2776
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:22,040
about $2,000

2777
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,760
» I think.

2778
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:27,520
» Okay. I have that email.

2779
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:29,120
» I'll I'll recommunicate that so we have

2780
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,480
a clear understanding of the cost

2781
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,920
structure there. That way we're not

2782
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:36,120
making arbit you know I don't want to

2783
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:36,120
say arbitrary but we're making decision

2784
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:38,239
» We're making decision based on data.

2785
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,239
» Sure.

2786
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:41,520
» Yeah. No listen 100% I agree and I think

2787
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:43,040
you know everybody wants to talk about

2788
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,800
having a plan having a plan and then we

2789
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:47,440
try to have plans and we can't get plans

2790
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:49,760
in place. So that's why I'm like if it's

2791
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:51,679
what it's September so if we are paying

2792
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:53,920
month to month until November maybe from

2793
01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:56,239
then until November we can have

2794
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:58,560
something soft idea nothing committed

2795
01:36:56,239 --> 01:37:00,880
just what are the options where is this

2796
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,080
going if it's going what's happening I

2797
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,760
just feel like something has to happen

2798
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,679
with this because a decision needs to be

2799
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,400
made

2800
01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:10,080
» Well I think this will fall into you

2801
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:12,080
know the discussion we're having with

2802
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:13,679
the consolidation with the finance

2803
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:16,639
potentially

2804
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:19,360
» Uh probably bring this one of the

2805
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:21,280
entities of course to save money or make

2806
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:24,320
the money for us rather than somebody

2807
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:26,480
else but this was ongoing conversation

2808
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:28,080
even going back even last year but we

2809
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:29,600
just never executed we never just

2810
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,639
followed through

2811
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:33,520
» Right

2812
01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:34,719
» We it's all of our issues here it's not

2813
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,639
not just one person

2814
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:38,159
» No 100% that's why that that's why we're

2815
01:37:36,639 --> 01:37:39,199
bringing it up right it's like start

2816
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,719
restart the conversation

2817
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:43,360
» That's why we're doing the consolidation

2818
01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:45,760
talk now for next year all the stuff

2819
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:47,840
that we're having happens now it's going

2820
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:49,520
to benefit us for next year not

2821
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,719
» You don't next year

2822
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:53,520
» So

2823
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:53,920
» That's a great idea

2824
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,679
» Okay

2825
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,719
» The other things the other things I had

2826
01:37:55,679 --> 01:37:58,800
because we had skipped over

2827
01:37:56,719 --> 01:38:02,159
correspondence really quick we this

2828
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:04,960
governing body did get an email um I'd

2829
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:06,719
like to add it in new business from a

2830
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:08,800
resident I'm assuming is a resident

2831
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:13,199
didn't give a name whom flex we'll call

2832
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:15,040
them um about their concerns with the

2833
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:18,719
status of the parks and keeping things

2834
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:20,159
maintained. So, Ron, my question is

2835
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:22,159
every year when we approve the budget

2836
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:24,800
and we get the capital budget, are we

2837
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:26,320
looking at root causes of long-standing

2838
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:28,400
problems? If we're approving all these

2839
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:29,920
capital projects, are we making it a

2840
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:31,920
president to go back and fix

2841
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,520
long-standing items first with these

2842
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,040
capital monies that are coming in? Are

2843
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,320
we saying, "Yes, do this capital

2844
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,159
project. Do this capital project." But

2845
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,600
we have things that are out of code that

2846
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:42,239
are possible liabilities for the town

2847
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,520
and we're just turning a blind eye to

2848
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:44,800
them until we're having a big

2849
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,440
celebration and we throw some mulch

2850
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,560
down.

2851
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:48,080
» That's not truth.

2852
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,760
» No, no, no. That's not true at all.

2853
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,520
» And I understand that, but I understand

2854
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,880
their frustration in this email that

2855
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,719
came to us. And I'm not trying to make a

2856
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,000
joke of it, but I don't want to just

2857
01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:57,520
talk about good correspondence that

2858
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,560
comes in. This is a genuine concern. I

2859
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,960
think we should talk about the good, the

2860
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:02,480
bad, and the ugly that comes in because

2861
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,199
not everything is sunshine and rainbows

2862
01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:05,440
here.

2863
01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:07,440
How how can we assure the public that

2864
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:09,199
these long-standing issues every capital

2865
01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:11,199
project and we put money aside for these

2866
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:13,840
projects, we're not just getting new

2867
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:15,679
stuff, we are fixing things that are in

2868
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,159
fact broken. Like where can we

2869
01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:17,679
» Maintenance

2870
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:20,320
» Maintenance? Thank you. But like where

2871
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:22,159
can we publicize or keep people informed

2872
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,920
that their tax dollars are being well

2873
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:26,080
spent and even grant funding is being

2874
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:28,880
well spent on keeping things maintained

2875
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:30,320
or what's coming, what they can expect.

2876
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,600
Aside from listening to a meeting and

2877
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,520
having to read the minutes or watch the

2878
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,119
video, like we don't tell them anything

2879
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:37,360
about what's to come or what they can

2880
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:40,560
expect. We make great announcements on

2881
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,840
grant receipt, which is fantastic, but

2882
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,280
that doesn't mean anything to them

2883
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,719
unless they know they can see something

2884
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:47,040
actually come of it or when to expect

2885
01:39:44,719 --> 01:39:49,679
it.

2886
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:51,360
» Good.

2887
01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:52,880
So Ron, my suggestion would be when

2888
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:55,920
you're having the safety meetings

2889
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:59,360
quarterly with um the insurance company,

2890
01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:02,000
you might want to be able to um talk

2891
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:04,880
about that here after that meeting this

2892
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:06,960
way because the insurance company,

2893
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:08,480
I'm sure you can explain, you know, does

2894
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,400
go through our parks, does go through

2895
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:12,800
our sites, does inspect our vehicles,

2896
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:15,520
doesn't spot inspections on construction

2897
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:17,360
and paving and whatnot continuously. And

2898
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:19,600
that's brought up at that meeting. So,

2899
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:22,139
um you can always maybe that's something

2900
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,719
that we can talk about uh

2901
01:40:22,139 --> 01:40:24,000
[clears throat]

2902
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:25,840
bringing here.

2903
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:27,360
» We can absolutely do that. We get

2904
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,280
audited a lot. So,

2905
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:31,280
» Exactly.

2906
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,800
» And my last question was, did we ever

2907
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:36,159
find out what the total settlement

2908
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:38,000
amount was for the PEOS lawsuit? I know

2909
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:39,440
we got that first payment or anticipated

2910
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:42,800
first payment. Did we ever get a total

2911
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:46,159
figure of what the town is owed?

2912
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:47,600
Can we do this instead of adding to new

2913
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:49,199
business? If you've got specific

2914
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,960
questions like that, why don't you email

2915
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:54,880
me or call me

2916
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:56,719
» Cuz that is a we know we get a report on

2917
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:58,639
what the next payment's going to be.

2918
01:40:56,719 --> 01:41:00,239
What the total settlement is, I'm not

2919
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:01,360
too sure about. So,

2920
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:02,960
» I don't know if there is a

2921
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,880
» I don't know if there is a total. It's a

2922
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:07,280
it's they keep going back after more and

2923
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:08,960
after more and after more. And trust me,

2924
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,320
our attorneys that are handling that,

2925
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:13,840
they're going after everything they can

2926
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:15,600
cuz they get paid as well. So, we're we

2927
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:18,960
we just say thank you when the

2928
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:20,880
settlement monies come in. So, I can

2929
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:22,639
look and see if there is a total amount.

2930
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:25,199
I know it's a percentage of a of a

2931
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:27,520
figure, so I can find that out. But

2932
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:30,159
instead of doing this here, why don't we

2933
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:32,639
ask that and I can get I be I can get

2934
01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:35,960
you more accurate information. I don't

2935
01:41:32,639 --> 01:41:35,960
have it here.

2936
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:42,880
Okay. Um, moving on to um

2937
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,159
public comment. Can I have a motion to

2938
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,920
open to the public?

2939
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:47,920
» Second.

2940
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:52,119
» All those in favor? I

2941
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:52,119
» The meeting is open to the public.

2942
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:59,600
My favorite topic.

2943
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:01,440
» Yeah. July 31st was a cut off date that

2944
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:04,080
this that the federal government's

2945
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:06,639
supposed to make the next allotment to

2946
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:09,199
our attorneys to tell the bureau what

2947
01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:13,040
we're going to get. Like we got 26,000

2948
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:16,960
out of what $7 billion and we got

2949
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:19,199
$26,000 for the March 31st cutoff, but

2950
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:22,320
July 31st was the cut off date that our

2951
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:25,119
attorneys had to file to say what we

2952
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:27,440
were entitled to based on the damages

2953
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:29,920
that was caused to the bureau. So, I'm

2954
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:31,760
figuring we're into September. We should

2955
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,679
hear pretty quickly what that amount

2956
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:37,520
should be as far as what they're going

2957
01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:40,239
to toss to us. Second, a burrow of

2958
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:42,639
14,000 people approximately, and you're

2959
01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:44,239
ringing a cowbell that 80 people go to

2960
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:46,960
the wellness center a week that's

2961
01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:52,719
operated during the hours of 9 to 1 when

2962
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:54,960
most people work 9 to5, 8 to 4, 7 to 3.

2963
01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:57,840
would be really novel idea if the

2964
01:42:54,960 --> 01:43:01,760
wellness center would be open 9 to one

2965
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:05,679
on Mondays and Wednesdays but 2 to 6 on

2966
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:08,719
Tuesdays and Thursdays and maybe all day

2967
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:11,840
Friday or screw Friday let's just open

2968
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:14,560
it on a Saturday and let's see who comes

2969
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:17,760
into the wellness center for free pet

2970
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:20,719
supplies free child care products

2971
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:23,199
diapers wellness products and whatever

2972
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:24,880
else is there Because many times I

2973
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:27,760
think, oh, I've got glasses that I'm

2974
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:29,679
going to donate to the women's club that

2975
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:31,600
is I can bring them to the wellness

2976
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:33,280
center and I'll look at my clock, it'll

2977
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:36,320
be 1:30,

2978
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:38,159
so I won't go. So, why don't we flip the

2979
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:40,239
hours and make them a little bit so that

2980
01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:42,960
people can access it and maybe out of

2981
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:46,320
14,000 people who live in the burrow,

2982
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:49,119
maybe more than 50 to 75 people can go a

2983
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:51,199
week because it accommodates their days.

2984
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:53,280
And if you look at the web pages, there

2985
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:55,600
are people who are asking like, "Is

2986
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:58,000
there any way you can be open 2 to 6?"

2987
01:43:55,600 --> 01:44:00,560
Or, "Can you open up on a Saturday

2988
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:02,639
morning cuz my dog's starving or

2989
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:04,239
whatever." So, would be really good if

2990
01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:06,239
we would be a little bit more flexible

2991
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:08,800
with this wellness center that we're

2992
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:11,840
spending $15,000 a year, plus we're

2993
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:14,159
paying someone to sit there and do it.

2994
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:16,080
So, we have to be paying a salary for

2995
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:18,320
that and the electricity and all of

2996
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:20,639
that. And regarding this marijuana

2997
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:22,320
thing, just keep loading it up with all

2998
01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:23,760
your little things that you don't want

2999
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:26,000
it. You don't want it, you don't want

3000
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:29,199
it. Cuz I can guarantee you there is not

3001
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:31,440
one sane retailer out there that's going

3002
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:34,880
to come to this burrow and deal with our

3003
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:36,560
land use board and our council and we're

3004
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:39,360
never going to do it. It's going to be

3005
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:42,320
we're spinning our wheels. We look we we

3006
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:44,639
missed the boat 5 years ago. All of the

3007
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:47,280
burrows are around us, surrounding us

3008
01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:49,360
have it. And all we keep doing is let's

3009
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:51,679
just throw another monkey wrench into

3010
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:54,719
this ordinance. Let's just do it. And I

3011
01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:58,719
can guarantee you there will be vote no

3012
01:44:54,719 --> 01:45:02,199
signs up for the November election. Can

3013
01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:02,199
guarantee it.

3014
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:06,280
» Anyone else?

3015
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:11,760
So, I just wanted to share some insight

3016
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:14,480
and helpful information that I had a

3017
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:17,440
conversation with a neighboring town

3018
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:20,800
that has a population of about three and

3019
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:23,199
a half like 3,000 people um and their

3020
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:24,800
experience with marijuana.

3021
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:27,840
Um

3022
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:29,920
they their cannabis is retail sales only

3023
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:33,360
and the bureau has limited itself to one

3024
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:36,000
retail license based on the population

3025
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:38,080
the base licensing structure similar to

3026
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:40,560
the availability of liquor license at

3027
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:42,400
this time. The municipality does not

3028
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:44,000
permit cannabis manufacturing

3029
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:46,560
facilities.

3030
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:49,280
They listed all their local uh

3031
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:50,719
regulations. Um I'm not going to go

3032
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:52,960
through all them, but I can forward the

3033
01:45:50,719 --> 01:45:55,440
email to you guys.

3034
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:57,760
um related to their land use and site

3035
01:45:55,440 --> 01:46:00,480
plan requirements contained in their

3036
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:02,480
chapter for land development procedures.

3037
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:04,159
Local taxation.

3038
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:06,159
Um

3039
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:08,480
from a financial standpoint, the bureau

3040
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:11,679
imposes the maximum local sales tax

3041
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:14,159
authorized by the state law for retail

3042
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:16,400
cannabis sales. Revenue has been very

3043
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:19,280
positive and continues to grow. Each

3044
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:21,840
quarterly tax distribution has increased

3045
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:23,520
since operations began with the most

3046
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,920
recent quarterly payment being

3047
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:29,840
approximately $17,000.

3048
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:32,639
So a year that's estimated at $68,000

3049
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:35,520
for the burrow. Uh for municipality of

3050
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:39,040
their size, it has provided a meaningful

3051
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:41,040
and reliable source of new local revenue

3052
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:43,520
without placing additional burden on

3053
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:45,360
taxpayers. Operationally, they've

3054
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:47,760
experienced no issues with retail

3055
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:50,800
establishment. There has been no public

3056
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:53,360
safety concerns, nuisance complaints, or

3057
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:54,960
operational problems. The business owner

3058
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,960
has been highly engaged with the

3059
01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:00,320
community and has operated as a

3060
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:04,000
responsible small business partner. With

3061
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:05,520
respect to zoning um development

3062
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,840
standards, the ordinances were

3063
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:09,920
intentionally written to limit the

3064
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:13,360
cannabis retail operations to very

3065
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:17,199
specific commercial quarters along uh

3066
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:19,280
limited sections. Um

3067
01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:22,560
and it ensures the compatibility with

3068
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:24,320
existing business uses while avoiding

3069
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:26,080
encroachment into residential

3070
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:29,440
neighborhoods.

3071
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:32,159
Um the cannabis applicants are also

3072
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:35,280
subject to the burough standard uh land

3073
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:38,080
development review processes site plans

3074
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:40,080
review compliance with applicable

3075
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:42,719
requirements related to the signage

3076
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:47,119
setbacks lighting and so forth. the

3077
01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:49,280
buffering parking um

3078
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:51,360
excessive or unusual restrictions

3079
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:53,280
specific to cannabis beyond reasonable

3080
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:55,600
operation and security expectations

3081
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:58,159
consist with state law and sound

3082
01:47:55,600 --> 01:48:00,239
planning principles. In my view, the

3083
01:47:58,159 --> 01:48:03,199
primary advantages have been a growing

3084
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:06,199
dependable source of tax revenue. the

3085
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:06,199
additional

3086
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:12,639
increased economic activity with no

3087
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:14,080
measurable negative community impact.

3088
01:48:12,639 --> 01:48:18,360
» What time was that from?

3089
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:18,360
» Um, I will forward you the email.

3090
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:27,960
» 58,000 a year.

3091
01:48:28,809 --> 01:48:30,829
[clears throat]

3092
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:37,119
Jen and Rachel, how

3093
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:40,360
» I know what time it is.

3094
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:40,360
» Thank you.

3095
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,920
» Get the email, babe.

3096
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:48,960
It's my time.

3097
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:51,520
» Um,

3098
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:52,719
uh, I wanted to reiterate something. Uh,

3099
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:55,600
someone said earlier, it was incredible

3100
01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:57,679
to see the pothole fix on BMR that fast.

3101
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,600
That was great. Um, I hope all the other

3102
01:48:57,679 --> 01:49:01,920
things that were outstanding, uh, being

3103
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:04,159
held up on budget are moving and I I do

3104
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:06,320
like I appreciate it. You get a lot of

3105
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:08,320
the short end of the stick here and I

3106
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:10,080
feel like you should get um, a pat on

3107
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:12,719
the back once in a while,

3108
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:15,719
» Twice or three times. Thank you.

3109
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:15,719
» Um,

3110
01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:22,080
I'm glad that somebody brought that up.

3111
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,679
Uh, I meant to bring that up earlier.

3112
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:25,280
Um,

3113
01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:27,440
I had a heartbreaking situation. And I

3114
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:31,440
was sitting with uh neighbors um just

3115
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:32,960
having a conversation and um one I we

3116
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:35,760
identified that this a particular

3117
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:37,440
neighbor uh could have uh utilized some

3118
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,880
program and they may or may not. In

3119
01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:41,679
short, I'm trying to say ever since I

3120
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:44,400
moved here, neighbors, people just talk

3121
01:49:41,679 --> 01:49:45,920
about PAS and mayor, you did you and the

3122
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,119
ladies and whomever else was involved.

3123
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,400
You guys did a great job when I first

3124
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:49,760
moved in. I was like, "Shit, this is

3125
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:51,760
great. Everyone's communicating. I know

3126
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:53,360
I don't have to answer questions for our

3127
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:55,280
neighbors." I started researching stuff

3128
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:57,199
and I was like, "No, they got it." But

3129
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:58,560
now I feel like I don't know, people are

3130
01:49:57,199 --> 01:50:01,119
still bringing it up. I guess some funds

3131
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:03,040
are still coming in um either to this to

3132
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:05,360
you guys or to the residents. I'm not

3133
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:07,760
sure in what fashion, but can we maybe

3134
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:09,280
do another like you got to spoon feed

3135
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:11,199
some people and there's a lot of people

3136
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:12,639
in this town that maybe just I don't

3137
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:15,119
know for whatever reason they just

3138
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:17,760
either didn't get the initial round or

3139
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:19,840
the second round or the 15th round or

3140
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:21,840
but we're doing 10 11 rounds on certain

3141
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:23,440
things with TC. So, let's go a 13 round.

3142
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,360
Let's do another round of information

3143
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:27,199
out there just or or like a recap. And

3144
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:28,960
if it's out there, I apologize. So, I'll

3145
01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:31,840
move on on that one. my phone's

3146
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:34,320
about to die. Um,

3147
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:36,159
I mentioned it once before, speeding on

3148
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:38,400
a lakeside. Is there anything that we

3149
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:40,480
can do about that? Um, I I don't know.

3150
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:43,840
Uh, did somebody speak? I don't know.

3151
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:47,360
Can we put a cop at the end of the right

3152
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:49,600
there at the um the welcome uh to Sussex

3153
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:53,520
County? Because we need revenue, right?

3154
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:57,600
So, tax me, tax or give me tickets. Give

3155
01:50:53,520 --> 01:51:00,560
everyone tickets. I don't know. Um,

3156
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:02,000
and THC. There was something with THC.

3157
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:04,560
What are we going to do if the uh the

3158
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:05,679
residents vote against it?

3159
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:07,440
Nobody has to answer that. That's

3160
01:51:05,679 --> 01:51:10,400
rhetorical. Don't cut it into my time.

3161
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:11,600
Um, the But what are we going to do?

3162
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:13,040
Like, we're going through all this time

3163
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:15,119
and all this effort and it was voted for

3164
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:16,320
once and I might vote no. I mean, like,

3165
01:51:15,119 --> 01:51:17,760
who the hell knows? Like, if we're

3166
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,520
putting it out there, like, do we have

3167
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:21,679
any pulse on it? and what we're going to

3168
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:23,440
do because we spent a lot of investment,

3169
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:26,800
a lot of time in this meeting, these

3170
01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:28,719
meetings alone in this um what's our

3171
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,920
what's our another exit strategy? What's

3172
01:51:28,719 --> 01:51:31,600
another pivot?

3173
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:34,639
» I could answer that. If if the town

3174
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:36,239
votes no in favor of not doing it, then

3175
01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:37,920
» I wouldn't pursue it any further either.

3176
01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:40,800
» I asked the same question. It was like

3177
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:43,280
if one person votes against it more than

3178
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:46,639
then it's a no. So

3179
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:50,679
» You might be wasting your time.

3180
01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:50,679
Um, anyone else?

3181
01:51:56,960 --> 01:52:01,280
» No, for something completely completely

3182
01:51:58,719 --> 01:52:02,880
different. [laughter]

3183
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,159
» Somebody got that. Okay,

3184
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:08,080
» I'm old.

3185
01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:10,719
» All right. Um, we uh talked about the

3186
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:14,239
wellness center and I was just wondering

3187
01:52:10,719 --> 01:52:17,040
if any and this is just thought u um if

3188
01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:19,360
any of the uh certain properties owned

3189
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:22,960
by the burrow not required for public

3190
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:26,960
purposes if any of them have uh a uh

3191
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:30,599
building on it. Maybe we could use that.

3192
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:30,599
» The stone jail

3193
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,560
» The stone jail. She said,

3194
01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:34,960
» "Oh, the stone jail."

3195
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:36,159
» She said,

3196
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:38,960
» "I was just gonna keep

3197
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:42,352
» That would be possible. It's very

3198
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:42,352
secure." [laughter]

3199
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:48,880
» So anyway, just just a thought.

3200
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:51,040
» Thank you.

3201
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:52,560
» Anyone else?

3202
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,679
Not seeing anything. Motion to bring it

3203
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,719
back.

3204
01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:57,280
» Second.

3205
01:52:54,719 --> 01:52:58,639
» I don't any uh comments this evening. Do

3206
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:59,280
we need executive?

3207
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:00,719
» No.

3208
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:02,080
» And there's no executive. Can we go to

3209
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:04,000
Can I make do I have to make a motion to

3210
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:06,080
go to executive or can we go to

3211
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,480
executive?

3212
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:06,800
» Sorry.

3213
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:08,480
» Yeah.

3214
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:11,360
» Is there going to be any action or just

3215
01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:11,920
present discussion?

3216
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:13,679
» No action.

3217
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:15,360
» There's no action then we could just let

3218
01:53:13,679 --> 01:53:16,239
everybody else go.

3219
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,920
» What's it for?

3220
01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:21,199
» What's we have to

3221
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:22,400
» Contracts? Contracts. Okay.

3222
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:24,000
» So, we're going to be going into

3223
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:25,440
executive session for contracts. There's

3224
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:27,440
going to be no action taken. So, you

3225
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:29,920
don't need to hang around afterwards to

3226
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:31,199
hear what happens afterwards.

3227
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:34,000
to run tickets.

3228
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:37,719
» You're welcome to if you want to.

3229
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:37,719
» Thank you all for coming.

3230
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,719
Who's