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meeting is now called to order

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if everyone would please rise and take

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i pledge allegiance to thank the united

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states of america and to the republic

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for which it stands one nation under god

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indivisible with liberty and justice for

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i'll just come up here

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am rosario hi deanna rosario do solemnly

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swear you seldom swear that i will

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support and maintain that i support and

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maintain the constitution and laws of

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the united states constitutional laws in

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the united states and the constitution

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and a constitutional laws in north

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carolina not inconsistent there with not

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inconsistent there is and that i will

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faithfully discharge and that i will

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faithfully discharge the duties of my

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office my duties in my office as a

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member of oatmeal's board of adjustments

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so help me guys so how many guys

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all right dan uh you up if you're ready

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give me one second

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restarting okay

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everybody doing tonight

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i have one right here thank you i guess

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everything always picks the worst time

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everybody hear me yes yeah

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all right so i know it's been a long

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the substantive uh case before us

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tonight reminder on the

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uh rules and procedures for board of

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define legal standards who goes back

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land use that is

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allowed within the town of hotels but

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only by special use permits so it's

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adjustment agreed that it is

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the chair of me and i understand we have

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expired and we'll need to reappoint them

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terms so we need to have a five-member

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chairperson and then that person will

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soon present for the meeting

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may be represented by council

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that they are entitled

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to a specialist permit

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special permanent or medic

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which element is not met and why it is

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not passed ultimately is the burden of

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the applicant to prove that they meet

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important adjustment is to elicit the

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that the applicant has presented or

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someone believed in opposition to this

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those questions so that you have the

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knowledge base to make the decisions now

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everything that you use to make a

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decision and acquire that judicial

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hearing has to come from the hearing

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itself so anything that you may already

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or may have heard about this project you

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can put that out of your mind i don't

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think that's going to be an issue here

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whether the permit is granted or not

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tonight that are part of the record in

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this case the record in this case is

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documents that may be presented

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tonight but certain testimony requires

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traffic study analysis those types of

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affect my property values

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testimony that we are allowed to have at

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the four criteria for special needs from

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that in there as well i mean if you want

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to explain to them that's fine

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dan what'll probably happen is um

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elect officers but when i do a quick

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that and there may be some discussion to

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the specific particular criterion um at

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that time so i think the training that

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you just gave is sufficient so we can

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discuss this later when that's when we

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if they need clarification

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questions at this point on on what we're

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i do not no they said no there was one question

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hello we got one question hold on a

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this whole special use permit is because

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the current zoning codes don't allow for

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daycare i'll give you updates or is that

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am i jumping ahead no no perfect

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getting ready to give and it'll make all

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all right i think that's it dan uh jane

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you want to move to the rest of the uh do we have a volunteer for a vice

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until you elect officers the um mrs

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hamilton would just preside over this

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meeting in the union so we wanted to go

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to the motions and seconds for that one

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for wrong jane and dan

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mrs hamilton will take us through item

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three which is approval of an agenda the

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okay so we're at the election of the

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chair and vice chair

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ultimately you make that decision and

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whoever is chosen at the chair and they

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miss hamilton to finish to me my

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of the meeting but they're gonna

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nominate a vice chair tonight and then i

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guess they wait until no

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i'm saying

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miss hamilton would be

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the vice chair

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then at the next meeting we

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can

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do the whole election okay so so mrs

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hamilton is volunteers vice chair she

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proves out over this meeting his vice

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chair and then at the next particular

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board of adjustment meeting we just have

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the

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election of the office yeah i think that

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worked okay okay

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uh does anyone have any comment

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no just because i was gonna make a

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motion tour okay

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the second about mrs gaston

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yeah uh next on the agenda is uh the

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approval of the minutes

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we did that already oh yeah i did that

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all right i guess next i'm up um

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the public hearing uh i'm reading from

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this particular document now

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and this is the official public hearing

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this is for a board of adjustment case

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and it's a request to consider a special

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use permit to allow a daycare facility

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in a rr rural residential slash cz

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conditional zoning district this is case

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p 22-01-hm

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on august 29th 2022. if you flip to the

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second page

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um just the background information the

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applicant again is seeking a specialist

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permit to open up a daycare facility

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inside of an existing recreational

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facility if you recall

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or if you're not sure the tj robertson

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life center is open

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as a

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recreational facility the site is 10.0

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acres in size

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but this is the key that's tied to mrs

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gaston's previous question

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the reason why there is a zoning case

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zng-009

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because this site is zone rr slash

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conditional zoning and when she

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initially got the conditional zoning

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approval a couple years ago

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she was specifically ironed in to the

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uses that she submitted with the

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application at the time two years ago

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and it was just generic uses so when she

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wanted to actually add daycares as a use

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because daycares was not listed in the

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list of uses she wanted under the

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initial conditional use approval she had

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to go through the process again to add

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daycares in as a permitted use

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she's here today because our zoning

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coach says that the only way you can

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approve a daycare is by a special use

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permit so the case that i'm referencing

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again this is

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zng00922 that was approved on july 18th

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was just our board of commissioners

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giving her the approval to have daycares

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as a permitted use on this conditional

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zoning with them knowing that in order

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to approve the daycare she would have to

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come through to you guys so that's why

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she's here today but that's why that

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reference case is in your staff report

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um

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next page it provides you with just the

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zoning of the property and surrounding

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zoning you see the properties to the

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south or zone rr

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the property of directly adjacent to the

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subject property is developed with the

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religious facility

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and so basically you have mainly almost

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100 percent residential uses around this

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particular property

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the next page it outlines the

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southwest plan the southwest plan calls

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for medium density residential and

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suburban residential um you'll find that

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to be useful when you get to the back

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page because one of the last criteria

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speaks about the land use plan that's

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the reason why i have that in here um

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the next couple of video slides you see

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are just the site

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photographs i'm not sure if you guys had

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a chance to visit the site but this is

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the existing facility it's 50 000 square

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feet um and i want to make sure i point

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out whatever is going on at the facility

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right now as a recreational center

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that's really not what you're

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considering you're considering if a

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daycare center is suitable to be

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operated inside of it she's not

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constructing anything on the outside

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this will basically be a complete

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internal operation and so i don't think

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you'll see anything different than what

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you see out there now it just means that

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somewhere in that building she's going

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to operate a daycare now in full

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disclosure she's also going through

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inspections to go through the proper

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process for permitting and things of

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nature but she has to get disapproved

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first

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if you go to the last sheet

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what i have on here um this is directly

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out of general statute in order to grant

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a special use permit the board of

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adjustments must find the following and

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i'll read them out

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into the record

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a that the use will not materially

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endanger public health or safety

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second the use meets all required

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conditions and specifications

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third the use will maintain or enhance

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the value of adjoining or budding

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properties or that the use is a public

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necessity and finally that the location

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and character of the use will be in

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harmony with the area where it is

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located in this generic general

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conformity with the towns of dr lange's

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plan i put that on the previous slide to

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show you that it is in compliance with

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the lanes plan knowing that that was

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going to be mentioned in the fourth

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criterion um and then correct me if i'm

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wrong i have in bold a four-fifths vote

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is required to grant a variance but all

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other actions by the board of

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adjustments are just requiring a

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majority vote is that correct

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that's correct that tonight is just a

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simple majority simple majority vote so

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just to clarify if this is a variance

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they would have to get four out of five

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of you guys to vote approval but because

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it's a species permanent a simple

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majority would ultimately grant the

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approval um then also just for

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clarification do does the applicant have

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to show

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support for all four criterion for a

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special use permit like a variance or is

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it

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up to the discretion of the board

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well the board has to find that all four

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of those that's what i'm asking so what

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i'm clarifying is all for these

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criterion you would have to find that

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she meets all four of these

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before we can ultimately grant that

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majority approval um that concludes my

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presentation in terms of the finest

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effect i like to open up the floor to

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any questions that you guys have for

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myself or the town clerk or the town

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attorney

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that's it for the presentation because

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that's why i said typically for

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quasi-judicial the only thing i can do

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00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,279
is tell you the facts of the case i

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can't give you

471
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,240
an opinion about it i can't tell you

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00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,240
what you should or should do i typically

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00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,679
would give a very

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00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:34,399
lengthy recommendation but

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because the decision of the like mr hot

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sauce said that your decision is based

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on just fondness of facts and testimony

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that's what you have to rely on and what

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you're ultimately

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00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:49,279
deciding is if this facility the way it

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exists now

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do you think a daycare center suitable

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on the inside that's ultimately what their request is i think he's

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asking if anybody has any questions on

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the four factors i do

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for that

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i mean i don't see how c is meant

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a public necessity

489
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i think that's just a matter of and dan

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craven for wrong with a daycare center i

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don't know if

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any daycare would be a public necessity

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per se that's more of a

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i guess more european

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you know if you look at the criteria

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where we're trying to see if it meets

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whether it is the public necessity is

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not on the list

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so you know we need to find that it is

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it won't endanger public health

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that is going to maintain or enhance

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value of property around it

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but it doesn't need to be so we don't

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need to decide if well we need a daycare

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center

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or we don't need anything

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that's not really what

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your your job tonight is solely to

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determine these four factors

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okay i have a question

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this

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proposed daycare this is for school-aged

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kids before after school

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off school daycare it's not going to be

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like infants and

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toddlers from my understanding of school

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age um kids

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from my i think uh

519
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,520
i'm not mistaken she might have it in

520
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,679
her application so you mean just after

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school care and not like a full day care

522
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from 0 to 12. hold on a second it has it

523
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,039
here it has before and after school

524
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it says before and after care for kids

525
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,399
that's in the in this one the agenda yes

526
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in the uh phase 3 of the application

527
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it does say pretty much

528
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full day care but it does say

529
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,760
it doesn't say school age or infants it

530
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just says for kids

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i would say if it says school before

532
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,080
after school i would

533
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,480
probably consider that school age but

534
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and what about summer programs

535
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:18,240
she has summer camp in here

536
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,240
they already do that yeah and i think

537
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,080
they are already doing that so so this

538
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,840
is basically just an expansion of what

539
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,399
they already do

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as a recreation center

541
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,279
i wouldn't say just an expansion because

542
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,840
the state based on what she's moving

543
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,720
with this is will be on approved daycare

544
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with the state so

545
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,399
some of the activities that she does

546
00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:43,279
with kids may be increased but for what

547
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:45,760
she's asking for this evening there is

548
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,919
going to be an officially state approved

549
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:50,720
daycare operation um i do think that

550
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,000
some of the services that a child

551
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,159
participates in daycare may

552
00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:58,480
be similar to what typical summer camp

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activities are

554
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,320
but i wouldn't call it an extension of

555
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,440
summer camp um it appears that there are

556
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,880
some activities she's going to be doing

557
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,720
with kids that do fall under the strict

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00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,480
specific

559
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,799
requirements of what the state regulates

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00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,669
as a daycare

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00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:18,320
do we know had any of the neighbors had

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00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,919
any objections

563
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:20,799
no

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00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,039
based on the general statute we do we

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00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,120
did send notices out to all adjacent

566
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,559
property owners

567
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:28,399
and i want to make sure i'm clear as

568
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:31,440
well this has been

569
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,000
discussed for about three months because

570
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,240
if you recall she had a two-month

571
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,120
process from the zoning which was

572
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,480
planning board and board of

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00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,720
commissioners where at that public

574
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,960
hearing it was notified that she's

575
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,519
pursuing this zoning action because she

576
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,320
wants to add a daycare so i will say

577
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,039
that not only was this particular

578
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:54,880
special use permit

579
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,519
hearing advertised that sign has

580
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,679
probably been up on that property

581
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:01,840
advertising the two-month period of

582
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,559
rezonings as well and so if you looked

583
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:05,440
at our

584
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,799
zone of signs

585
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,159
we're trying to

586
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:10,720
get a little snazzy with technology our

587
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,440
zoning signs have qr codes on them so i

588
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,360
don't have to go get the zoning case

589
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,840
printed on every sign you take your

590
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,600
camera and you point it at the sign it

591
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,840
runs it straight to a public hearing

592
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,159
pending public hearing agenda item so

593
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:27,200
the public agenda item for the rezoning

594
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,200
case has been

595
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,480
pretty much on uh our website since

596
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,399
probably june

597
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:36,720
and that's the case that listed she's

598
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,279
pursuing a daycare center here this is

599
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,600
the approval of the daycare center so i

600
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,159
would surmise that the general public at

601
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:45,679
least in the surrounding neighborhood

602
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:47,600
because we had to send notices out to

603
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,600
adjacent properties for the rezoning

604
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,880
case and this particular case to answer

605
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,640
the question i would surmise that in my

606
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,840
opinion they probably are aware i'm not

607
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,840
i haven't received any phone calls in

608
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,440
any opposition

609
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,559
but at least i can say that sign

610
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,519
notifications letters and on our website

611
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,919
it has been up for quite some time at

612
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:11,200
least two months

613
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,760
this will be the third month because

614
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,080
the approval of the rezoning was on july

615
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,200
8th

616
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,519
um and then we had to wait a while to

617
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,480
get a date to actually uh

618
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,679
um be within your your schedule as well

619
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,279
so i would say

620
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,159
since june has been the time that we

621
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:32,480
were probably advertising um probably

622
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,080
earlier than that because

623
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,880
the

624
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,960
town of oatmeal's border commissioner's

625
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,679
approval was in july 18th the planning

626
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:41,519
board approved was the month prior to

627
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:42,799
that

628
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,960
most daycares have outside facilities

629
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,320
for the children is that already there

630
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,279
our ordinance only says that if you have

631
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,519
a playground it has to be enclosed with

632
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,720
defense it does not require a playground

633
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,880
we haven't gotten any indication from

634
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,039
mrs robinson that she's doing anything

635
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,240
on the exterior of the site

636
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,240
to submit the site plan that she made in

637
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,079
submitting an application is the same

638
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:09,760
site plan that she used so that's why i

639
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,679
said from what has been presented to

640
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,320
staff this appears to be an internal

641
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,320
operation if you've ever visited the

642
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,320
site there's so much

643
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,320
there's a lot of activities inside the

644
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,960
building and so i'm not

645
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,040
sure if that factored into why she's not

646
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,720
going to have a playground but she does

647
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:27,599
not

648
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:28,800
have one

649
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,560
uh submitted with the site plan that

650
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,919
gives us the

651
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:33,599
impression that there's any activity

652
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:54,069
that's going to take place

653
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:55,599
i think you can discuss if you got any

654
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:56,960
questions for us or you got a question

655
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,160
for each other

656
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,400
and then i guess somebody makes a motion

657
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,920
at some point is there anyone here

658
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,720
that's going to present their case um and dan craft i don't think the

659
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:10,240
applicant has to be present um yeah yes

660
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,480
so who's the advocate that want to

661
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,680
present

662
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,160
testimony that's fine uh then you just

663
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,079
make your decision based on the

664
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,800
documents that are in the record okay

665
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,000
yeah

666
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,760
so there's nobody here that

667
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,480
will speak against her for

668
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,880
basically there's nobody here in support

669
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,359
or in opposition um which is typical

670
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:33,760
with public hearings um

671
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,440
but if there are questions that you

672
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,560
specifically have for her that's not in

673
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,240
the documents you have to record that

674
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,280
would be a challenge but as of right now

675
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,680
if that does if that is the case if you

676
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,000
do have questions that aren't answered

677
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
by the evidence currently in the record

678
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,760
and you need testimony from the

679
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,599
applicant or someone else

680
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,560
in order to make your decision

681
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,480
then we would have to probably uh

682
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,599
you know

683
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,359
reconvene

684
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:05,359
and ask that uh the applicant be

685
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:07,599
president yeah so that's a deferral if

686
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,240
you feel that there's an answer that you

687
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,160
need that is gonna determine the vote

688
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,359
yes or no

689
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:17,119
then i think what he's saying is you

690
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,920
could possibly uh postpone or defer the

691
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,000
case so that she can

692
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,400
answer your question directly or if you

693
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,079
feel that the documents and the

694
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:29,040
information that you have this evening

695
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,560
is sufficient enough for you to make

696
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,280
that evaluation or that determination

697
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,440
then you proceed accordingly i do have

698
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,040
some questions um

699
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,160
how close is the nearest residential the nearest housing

700
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,680
is there a

701
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:44,880
um

702
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,240
it's like a distance

703
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,560
yeah a neighborhood close to the

704
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,480
building or is it out there where

705
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,800
there's nobody around it i will say

706
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,079
uh if i'm on the building side of

707
00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:02,560
black's bridge there's a church if i'm facing the building there's a

708
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,200
church on the left-hand side there are

709
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,760
two single-family houses on the

710
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,280
right-hand side

711
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,280
and then across the street there's a

712
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,160
whole neighborhood okay so i think the

713
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,520
neighborhood is called blackbridge

714
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,560
village

715
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,320
and i think steeplechase is on the

716
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,119
backside of that across the street

717
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,599
but right beside it there is a

718
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:26,079
pretty large church on one side

719
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:27,040
and

720
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,280
i wouldn't call it a heavily wooded area

721
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,040
it's not a neighborhood on the other

722
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,760
side but there are two houses

723
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,839
on that side i would say most of the

724
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,320
residential development that you see

725
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,240
is probably across the street i wouldn't

726
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,000
say there's a significant amount of

727
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,839
resident development within the

728
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:46,400
close confines on the same side of the

729
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,640
street okay because this says that it

730
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,000
will operate from six in the morning

731
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,839
until six in the evening

732
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:54,160
um so i'm just asking these questions

733
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,560
because of maybe a noise issue

734
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,560
um if they're going to have recreational

735
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,040
activities you're adding an additional

736
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,359
however many children that are going to

737
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:05,760
be there so is this going to create a

738
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,160
noise issue with the neighbors um that's

739
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,760
kind of where i'm going to just know

740
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,560
it's traffic transportation right into

741
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,960
the day and people lining up on the

742
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,040
street i mean i see that the parking lot

743
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,040
is extremely large

744
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,040
um but if you got a lot of recreational

745
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,720
activities going on you got people

746
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,040
coming and going picking up kids

747
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,520
so that could become an issue i would

748
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,280
say um

749
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,680
just and i'm not the advocate but just

750
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,320
surmising what has been presented to me

751
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,880
i would say that i think the building is

752
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,560
sufficient enough to handle the

753
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,480
operation internally

754
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,960
she hasn't indicated to me what the

755
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,280
number of kids are

756
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,079
i didn't get an indication where it's a

757
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,480
large and considerably large

758
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,119
number of people um typically what we

759
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,440
look for is the parking and the parking

760
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,200
calculation is one space for

761
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,400
i think

762
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,069
three

763
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:10,470
parking calculation is

764
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,960
two parking spaces plus one off street

765
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,119
parking space for each employee

766
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:18,000
and so um

767
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,599
i think it's more of a judgment call we

768
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,280
don't have any information that tells us

769
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,599
how many children that she's targeting

770
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,920
to deal with during the day so i do

771
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,760
think that's a valid question i guess

772
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,280
your question would be

773
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,960
do you think that

774
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,079
the day care center operation at the

775
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,800
same time as the recreation facility

776
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,000
operation

777
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,440
will push

778
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,440
this facility to the point where it

779
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,599
wouldn't have adequate parking from what

780
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,680
you have now that's the question that

781
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,320
you ultimately have to determine but i

782
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,560
don't see anything in my application on

783
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,480
what has been submitted to us

784
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,720
it would help to know like if they have

785
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,880
a half of the building dedicated for

786
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,680
child care or one big room dedicated for

787
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,280
child care or however they're going to

788
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,520
do that so that would give them them as

789
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,920
well as us an approximate idea of how

790
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,440
many people are going to be in that

791
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,560
facility any i will say if that is that

792
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,400
is the question i will say from my

793
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,000
conversations with the chief building

794
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,920
inspector because right now

795
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,240
she's having to deal with them because

796
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,160
what no matter where you put this in the

797
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,920
building you're going to have

798
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,040
um exit fire hydrant i meant fire exit

799
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,400
issues and things that you may have to

800
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,240
alter the building to do

801
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,760
and so from my

802
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,800
uh

803
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,119
conversations and meetings with them and

804
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:34,880
the applicant and the

805
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,800
chief building inspector it appears that

806
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,520
a small room or small section of the

807
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,079
interior piece would be used it does not

808
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,880
appear to me to sound like half of the

809
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,599
entire facility will be utilized it

810
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,000
sounds like she's trying to find a small

811
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,280
area or room within the existing portion

812
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,200
that she would have to alter to steal me

813
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,920
the building code but that's what it

814
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,880
appears to be centered towards

815
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,480
that's still an intimidating number of

816
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,520
kids

817
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,760
but it does indicate to me that it

818
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,599
appears that she's want to utilize a

819
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,280
small portion of the building not the

820
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,800
entire facility

821
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,119
i do have a question for that playground

822
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:14,640
if she wants that playground will she

823
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,079
have to come back

824
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,440
and do this again no the playground

825
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,240
simply says in our code if you do have a

826
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,880
playground it just gives parameters on

827
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,960
the construction of that playground so

828
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,599
if you go back to the far end and i'm

829
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,200
just telling you why i don't think that

830
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,440
she's going to have one

831
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,240
if you go to the far end of that site

832
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:37,920
that's the only portion of the site

833
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,520
that's not pavement

834
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,440
the entire front and other uh front and

835
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,599
left right side of the entire facility

836
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,599
is paved the other side of it is an

837
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:50,480
adjacent property so if i were just

838
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,240
looking at analysis

839
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,480
analyzing the site i would say the rear

840
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,800
would probably be the only area that she

841
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,800
could put something the reason why i

842
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,560
don't think that's practical is because

843
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,520
that's the rear entrance on exit to the

844
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,760
biggest gym that they have

845
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,480
so you'd be running a a playground out

846
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,839
of the gym

847
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:12,000
the way the code reads the playground

848
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,839
has to be accessible from an interior

849
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:14,880
classroom

850
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,040
so i don't think that that portion of

851
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,800
the building would be sufficient for a

852
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,119
playground either that may be why she's

853
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:25,040
not proposing one if she does propose a

854
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,359
daycare she wouldn't have to come i mean

855
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:29,359
propose a playground she wouldn't have

856
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:30,880
to come back to you guys to get an

857
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,960
approval on the playground she's going

858
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,880
to meet the building code on where she's

859
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,520
putting it and the accessibility to it

860
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,280
so she still has to meet the building

861
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,480
code but the playground wouldn't have to

862
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,280
come back to you guys for approval i

863
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,520
just think based on the me looking at

864
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,440
the building looking at the site and the

865
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,040
layout of the building

866
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,720
i don't see where she could put one

867
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,359
outside if she does do one she has to be

868
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:56,560
the building code

869
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,200
that street is it a two-way street black

870
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,640
bridge yeah yes okay and we is she gonna

871
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,240
have someone or do you know if she's

872
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,160
gonna have someone out there to direct

873
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,319
traffic control once pickup starts at

874
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:10,000
six because

875
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,160
and i can't i'm trying to picture it but

876
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,119
having that traffic backed up so the the

877
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,440
parents can come in and pick up the kids

878
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,119
is someone going to be there controlling

879
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,480
that traffic i would say um in terms of

880
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,240
it's two different

881
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:27,200
levels to that answer when dlt approves

882
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,359
a facility of this magnitude they

883
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:32,000
require what we call a deceleration lane

884
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,079
if it gets a big a much bigger they are

885
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:35,520
going to require stop lights and things

886
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,079
that nature so dlt did require the

887
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,319
installation of a deceleration lane for

888
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:42,960
this facility and what that is is if you

889
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,280
have traffic coming this way and traffic

890
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,520
coming this way on blackbridge road and

891
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,920
cars start to back up there's a separate

892
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,599
dedicated lane

893
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:53,520
that you can pull into they just gives

894
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,520
only access to this site

895
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,920
so that's the answer to the

896
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,640
car stacking up on blackbridge if we're

897
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,359
talking about dropping off directly in

898
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:04,880
front of the building

899
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,800
because of the topography if you go to

900
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,800
the site it's very steep

901
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,359
sloping topography so i would surmise

902
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,760
that the drop-off area is probably going

903
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,920
to be well off of blackbridge because

904
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,200
you're going to probably have to turn

905
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,920
into the site and drive a condition a

906
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,599
pretty considerable distance to get to

907
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:22,880
the building

908
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,800
and that's probably where i would

909
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,400
surmise that you're going to have kids

910
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,839
being dropped off i don't you're not

911
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:29,119
sure on that

912
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:31,119
i don't see how you would do it in

913
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,200
blackbridge because

914
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,040
at least i probably i wouldn't

915
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,760
um i don't anticipate if you go to the

916
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,839
site

917
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:41,920
i don't see how anybody really listens

918
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,160
to me would want to drop off on

919
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,240
blackbridge because of the way the site

920
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,560
is set up you would have to turn onto

921
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,960
the property and drive around through

922
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,359
the property to get to the building

923
00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:55,040
that's where our surmise would probably

924
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,119
be your safest location

925
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,200
this would be monday through friday

926
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,240
um yes from my understanding

927
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,040
the site photo the view of it it looks

928
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,440
like there might be multiple entrances

929
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,079
into the parking lot the various

930
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:11,680
the only interest

931
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,960
to the parking lot is there are

932
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,960
different access points around the

933
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,960
parking lot but there's only one

934
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,800
entrance to the parking lot off of black

935
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,920
ridge road

936
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,560
so there's areas where if you turn in

937
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,560
off of the street

938
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,160
you can

939
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,160
kind of keep straight to a parking area

940
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,800
where they have bus bus parking and then

941
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,800
you can make a left to because it's

942
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,079
almost like a detention pond in the middle of the

943
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,720
site that you can go around but there's

944
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,359
only one entrance to and from the

945
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:45,119
property of black people and flax bridge

946
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,640
right now is still just two lanes

947
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,240
there's not a turning lane

948
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,880
uh it's it's two lanes in one direction

949
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,560
and then there's a dedicated

950
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,119
deceleration lane that was put in

951
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,359
as required from the d.o.t since the

952
00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:58,319
erect

953
00:45:58,319 --> 00:45:59,839
since this building's been erased yes

954
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:01,119
okay i haven't been down there in a

955
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:03,040
while yeah and not much farther from

956
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,960
there are they doing

957
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,920
work for 292.95 they've changed the area

958
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,760
tremendously they got three roundabouts

959
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,720
further down 295 is dumping out there

960
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:13,440
but

961
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,200
what the reason why i say d.o.t comes

962
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,119
into play when d.o.t was doing the

963
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,760
evaluation of the recreation center in

964
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,960
general because it's 50 000 square feet

965
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,359
because there is concern with traffic

966
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:26,560
that's where there are certain

967
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,440
thresholds of dlt that are triggered

968
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,760
based on the magnitude of a development

969
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,520
the lowest threshold is your

970
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,920
deceleration lane the next threshold is

971
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,920
a traffic impact study the next

972
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,520
threshold above that is you're probably

973
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:40,960
having to put in stop lights and things

974
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,240
of that nature and so they determine

975
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,119
what that threshold is and sometimes

976
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:48,560
they see a development that doesn't

977
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,520
require anything so for this development

978
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,920
um the approval by dot did require

979
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,000
deceleration lane and that's all kind of

980
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,280
been resolved yes

981
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,119
yeah they needed they had to have that

982
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,160
in stock before they could get an

983
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,319
approval from uh traffic impact is one

984
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:06,720
of those things that does require

985
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,359
expert testimony of these things so

986
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:13,119
if you believe that that is necessary

987
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:14,560
that's a good point that might be

988
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,680
something that

989
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,920
you know

990
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,200
you need to

991
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,119
really lean on but

992
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:34,150
as chancellor said it may

993
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,000
one of the reasons that i asked about

994
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,720
the size of the the childcare operation

995
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,200
is uh that would depend on how many

996
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,280
children would depend on how many

997
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,280
people are coming to drop off and pick

998
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,720
up because they've already got

999
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,440
recreation and everything in there so if

1000
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,160
it's only maybe 10 or 12 kids i don't

1001
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,599
think it would make that much of a

1002
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:57,680
difference in the traffic so that's kind

1003
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,760
of why was that that's a very good point

1004
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,160
because if we're talking 10 kids versus

1005
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,240
a couple hundred right completely

1006
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:05,920
exactly so like i said if they if

1007
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,599
they've already got recreation and all

1008
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,119
kinds of other stuff going on you're

1009
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,599
still going to have a lot of traffic so

1010
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,440
five or ten cars to me isn't going to

1011
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,599
make that big of a difference and again

1012
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,599
we don't have a number of kids the only

1013
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:18,640
thing i can tell you is the

1014
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,880
conversations that we're having you got

1015
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,319
to understand the magnitude of it

1016
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:23,920
they're having this conversation after

1017
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,839
we've given the building a co we've

1018
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:26,880
already approved everything in the

1019
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,640
building for the recreational facility

1020
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,760
so when she's coming back she knows that

1021
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,760
in order to open this in this facility

1022
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,440
she has to do some changes to the

1023
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,440
building to meet the building code to

1024
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,280
meet the state requirements of what any

1025
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,440
daycare would be right and under those

1026
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,480
conversations it doesn't appear that

1027
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,359
she's saying she's taking half of a 50

1028
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:50,240
000 square foot facility for kids

1029
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,960
she's trying to find a small portion

1030
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,440
in that building to retrofit that inn

1031
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,800
that still doesn't give me the number of

1032
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,760
kids

1033
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,240
but it kind of does tell me that this doesn't anticipate from my

1034
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,400
standpoint to be in a very large

1035
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,349
operation

1036
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:11,359
excuse me i said but we don't know

1037
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:13,520
so without knowing the number of kids we

1038
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,880
don't know if she's going to have enough

1039
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,119
staff to to deal with all the kids and

1040
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,119
the traffic and

1041
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,720
all the logistics that go with it

1042
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,319
that's a valid question but i think

1043
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:26,400
that's that comes in what that falls in

1044
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,640
line with your state regulations on how

1045
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,880
many people that that really doesn't

1046
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,240
have anything to do with us because that

1047
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,880
is by the state how many you have the

1048
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,359
qualifications of each they do have a

1049
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:39,760
very strict set of regulations yeah i'm

1050
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,440
very familiar with it with that and

1051
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,440
that's why i said i do know this is a

1052
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,760
fully functional daycare center because

1053
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,599
we did talk to the state in terms of

1054
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,200
what their requirements were it's very

1055
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,160
strict yeah yeah it's very strict and so

1056
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,520
that still doesn't answer the question a

1057
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:54,880
number of kids but i think when

1058
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,280
employees a lot of those things are

1059
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,359
regulated and then does she plan to

1060
00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:01,440
expand to where she's gonna be third

1061
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,160
shift opening on weekends

1062
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,359
because then you got to consider the

1063
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:07,280
church traffic

1064
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,309
i'm not sure

1065
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:13,920
would that be another hearing if she

1066
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,920
wanted to do that or she would just

1067
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,520
increase with the stuff we don't approve

1068
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,680
the hours of operation

1069
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,440
here's a daycare now when you say third

1070
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,119
shift what would a third shift daycare

1071
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:24,839
operate as i'm not

1072
00:50:24,839 --> 00:50:28,000
sure yeah they they keep the kids

1073
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,680
overnight

1074
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,599
so eleven to seven

1075
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:33,520
what she ultimately said here in her

1076
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,200
application was six a.m to six months

1077
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,160
yeah but

1078
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,000
i'm thinking

1079
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,240
later on and she planned on expanding

1080
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,440
and then

1081
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,599
i was thinking about traffic especially

1082
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:45,440
if she explained it on sundays with the

1083
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,319
church today um dan what i guess would

1084
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,880
you consider if their application says

1085
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,319
the daycare center from 6am to 6pm with

1086
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:57,280
expanding that to being 24 hours

1087
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,880
overnight would that constitute a

1088
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,280
different type of approval

1089
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,559
that's not

1090
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,309
granted here

1091
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:07,680
what's the question for their their

1092
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,240
application is to run daycare for six

1093
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,359
days

1094
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:13,599
yes and uh there's a question is if they

1095
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,760
wanted to expand it to

1096
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,960
third shift of overnight would that

1097
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,720
require them to come back to the board

1098
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:24,150
of adjustments

1099
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:30,790
um

1100
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,670
i mean still a daycare but

1101
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,119
well

1102
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:41,040
could they could they do they personally

1103
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,200
today i think we consider they're going

1104
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,800
to be running

1105
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,319
and then if they want to change it down

1106
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:47,760
the road

1107
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,200
we'll figure out what happens they have

1108
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,359
to do that

1109
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:53,359
but for today

1110
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:54,960
they're they're running

1111
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,119
and i do know in the general statute

1112
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,440
they can put conditions

1113
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,240
um

1114
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,240
maybe that could be a condition that it

1115
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,559
operates under what the application

1116
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,640
indicated it would be that would lock

1117
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,640
them in i'm not sure

1118
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,559
conditions that you impose on a special

1119
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,960
use permit can only be permitted from

1120
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,480
the extent that

1121
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,480
you know if one of these conditions if

1122
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,160
the condition is added then it helps

1123
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,240
meet the criteria

1124
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:25,270
so if they meet all the criteria

1125
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,800
it has to be

1126
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,559
you know if if they ran it from 66 then

1127
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:34,549
it would

1128
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,720
yeah that kind of thing so

1129
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,559
any condition you put on it has to be

1130
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,160
geared towards

1131
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,839
assisting them to meet one of these four

1132
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:43,520
criteria in other words they would meet

1133
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,119
these four criteria

1134
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,920
if they added anybody

1135
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,839
does that make sense

1136
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:57,510
yeah do you understand what he's saying

1137
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,319
is any anything of financial cost to

1138
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:04,870
hope meals

1139
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,400
i mean

1140
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,800
as far as taxpayers any of this would be

1141
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,040
a financial cost or it's just solely on

1142
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,720
the facility

1143
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,480
yeah i don't think i'll attacks now it

1144
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,000
says here uh no fiscal impact okay yeah

1145
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,480
that would be a backer yeah

1146
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,160
i mean we as

1147
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,880
i do economic development as well so any

1148
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,559
new establishment especially this

1149
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:27,760
magnitude

1150
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,760
there are benefits from it but i don't

1151
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,559
think

1152
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:32,880
this particular use would swing it one

1153
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,280
way or the other in terms of the task

1154
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,720
base

1155
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,000
and i see they're also wanting to do

1156
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,000
bingo

1157
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,480
is bingo generally in the evenings isn't

1158
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,559
it normally in the evening hours

1159
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:48,240
bingo on there i wouldn't consider being

1160
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,559
out to be a part of daycare i mean i

1161
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,480
think she probably can do that now okay

1162
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,920
at the recreation center because i think

1163
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,800
she does pickleball and stuff like that

1164
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,880
um she has programs for singers but i

1165
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,240
don't i wouldn't

1166
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,480
she put it in there i wouldn't consider

1167
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,829
my daughter six

1168
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:06,880
oh

1169
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,030
i'm not sure

1170
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,400
they could probably maybe adjust their

1171
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,480
hours later and that's not something we

1172
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,680
do that's something they wouldn't want

1173
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,119
to do

1174
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:18,880
if they got complaints or something

1175
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,599
that's just my thought

1176
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:23,119
you know if somebody called about

1177
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:26,000
complaints about noise or traffic then

1178
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,400
they could you know maybe adjust it on

1179
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,720
their own with their hours or how they

1180
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,240
do things so

1181
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,150
not just my opinion

1182
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,839
because we can't control the hours or

1183
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:43,829
anything that they do out there just

1184
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:46,319
i don't have any more questions

1185
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:47,280
same

1186
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,280
any more questions from anybody not

1187
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,839
satisfied

1188
00:54:50,839 --> 00:54:54,480
um okay so wait i'm sorry i do have one

1189
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,440
more question the church says

1190
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,240
adjacent do they have a day here

1191
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,240
no not to my knowledge i do know they

1192
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:05,599
have talked to the uh

1193
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:08,319
the facility about overflow parking uh

1194
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:09,280
being

1195
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,440
allowed at the church

1196
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,880
you can do certain things like shared

1197
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,400
parking agreements and things of nature

1198
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,359
i do know they had conversations

1199
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:20,480
but i do know that i don't i know the

1200
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,640
pastor uh i'm gonna say hi but i do know

1201
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,319
the pastor but i don't think he has a

1202
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:27,119
daycare at the church okay other than

1203
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,280
like during the service

1204
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,960
some of them do yeah

1205
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,799
i'm not yeah like you know some churches

1206
00:55:32,799 --> 00:55:35,359
have overflowed for kids during service

1207
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:37,040
but i don't think because they would

1208
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,319
have to go through the special

1209
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:40,799
experiment processes

1210
00:55:40,799 --> 00:55:42,640
um any daycare center has to go through

1211
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,559
the special perfect process

1212
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:46,799
i'm not aware enough it was one approved

1213
00:55:46,799 --> 00:55:48,720
at the church before

1214
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,799
i came along i'm not aware of one being

1215
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:52,799
there i do know like i said they've had

1216
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:55,280
conversations about

1217
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,960
the utilization of the church parking

1218
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,440
lot a lot of times when you have

1219
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,799
requests for shared parking we we uh

1220
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:04,480
consider the character and use of the

1221
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,960
building so let's say that the time that

1222
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,280
my building will be occupied

1223
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,200
is during the week and your building is

1224
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,040
adjacent and you work during the week as

1225
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,160
well we're going to meet at the same

1226
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:14,960
time

1227
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,720
so we're not you're not giving me

1228
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,559
parking that's taking you're giving me

1229
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:19,760
partners taking away from your parking

1230
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,480
calculation but if i'm operating monday

1231
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,000
through saturday

1232
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,599
and you're a church and you're only

1233
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,400
operating on sunday typically those uses

1234
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,680
will not be

1235
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,240
in conflict with each other those are

1236
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:34,480
two uses that do work well with shared

1237
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,960
parking agreements she doesn't have one

1238
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,720
with them i do know that they've had

1239
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:42,069
conversation

1240
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:43,839
there's not any more questions we have a

1241
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:45,839
motion to close the public hearing then

1242
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:48,240
we'll have discussion and vote on the

1243
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,799
approve our disapproval

1244
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:52,400
i'll make a motion to close the public

1245
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,240
meeting except 5 seconds save it

1246
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:57,920
okay so you want to you guys want to

1247
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,040
discuss it um

1248
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,119
and then we can vote

1249
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:06,390
give some opinions

1250
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,640
she's not only home yeah she she can't

1251
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:18,150
yet she's

1252
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,240
i don't think it's going to detract from

1253
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,680
the value of the joining properties

1254
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,280
because they already use it right

1255
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,119
they're already out there doing stuff

1256
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:28,160
and it's just an addition to and it's an

1257
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,640
and or type thing

1258
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,400
so they're just adding

1259
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,880
i don't see hand i just

1260
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,640
see i mean if our criteria is that it

1261
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,160
meets all these

1262
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,599
all four of these

1263
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:41,040
yeah speaking to the mic so we can

1264
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,430
capture it okay

1265
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,710
i didn't know it was on

1266
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,960
okay

1267
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,680
all right you're recognized down there

1268
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,920
so just getting back to letter c

1269
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,280
and and from my understand we've got to

1270
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,000
based on abcd that

1271
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,839
it meets all these requirements and i

1272
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:08,720
don't see how we can determine whether

1273
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,400
it's going to maintain or enhance the

1274
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,680
value

1275
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,520
and i don't see how we could say it's a

1276
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,359
public necessity

1277
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:16,559
i mean

1278
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,000
i don't know there's other daycares out

1279
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,400
there there is a lot of residential area

1280
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,799
and i'm sure there's parents out there

1281
00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:24,880
that would appreciate a daycare for

1282
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,359
their younger children so

1283
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:28,960
i'm just stuck on that but other than

1284
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,799
that i think we

1285
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:34,000
i would be good with everything okay

1286
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,799
next um i'm inclined to go ahead and

1287
00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:39,040
permit it okay

1288
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,440
um as far as the enhancement goes my

1289
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,200
opinion is that you know the building's

1290
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,480
already there

1291
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,040
um so it's it's already either enhanced

1292
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,280
or it's not and i think that it is

1293
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,799
it's a huge building it's a nice

1294
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:51,920
building

1295
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,400
um you know they do a lot they they

1296
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,920
really do a lot for their children i

1297
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,280
think this is just my opinion i'm not

1298
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,160
trying to influence anybody um

1299
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:00,880
but

1300
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:07,510
it i i think that it does enhance

1301
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,270
um did y'all have a question

1302
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,359
no but that's just my opinion on that

1303
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:14,480
part of it

1304
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,480
and he already discussed the public new

1305
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,400
necessity thing

1306
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,440
with that

1307
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,599
i just kind of feel that it does

1308
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,920
the only thing that that i see is an issue is the number of

1309
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,240
children that are going to be there

1310
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,880
but they can always work around that i

1311
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,640
think and like i said if there are

1312
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,680
issues with noise or issues with traffic

1313
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,599
they may be able to

1314
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:39,760
adjust their hours so that it's not

1315
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,839
during the peak traffic time people

1316
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:44,720
coming in and out to work and

1317
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,119
if there are noise issues then

1318
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:48,240
um

1319
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,000
if if someone complains about it they

1320
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,559
could they can always address that issue

1321
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:54,960
that's just my opinion so

1322
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,480
and they definitely have plenty of

1323
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,440
parking yeah they do i saw that that's a

1324
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,359
lot of parking out there but like i said

1325
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:03,040
if that's why i was asking about how

1326
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,440
many children so i'd have an idea of how

1327
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,200
many people would be there to pick up

1328
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,520
and drop off and like mr mclaughlin said

1329
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,319
it's not safe to drop kids off on black

1330
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:14,079
bench road you got to pull in there and

1331
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:16,160
get your kids and stuff so so i don't

1332
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,839
see how that would actually block

1333
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:21,520
traffic in that area um again my opinion

1334
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,599
only so

1335
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:25,520
once again we don't have any information

1336
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:40,870
in the record on traffic

1337
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,839
the applicant provide that

1338
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:47,670
or someone provide that

1339
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,599
but i don't think we can

1340
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:55,670
say one way or the other without

1341
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,839
the expertise that d.o.t

1342
01:00:57,839 --> 01:00:59,839
has allowed it that's enough for me i

1343
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:01,520
don't need an expert opinion i don't

1344
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,599
either and most from what i've seen just

1345
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,119
my experience in town most of your

1346
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:07,760
traffic is when you get into town

1347
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:08,720
um

1348
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,559
up there around the fire department area

1349
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:11,520
where they're going to put the round

1350
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,280
butt in and that's kind of my experience

1351
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,960
where it's always a little bottleneck

1352
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,400
there but other than that it's kind of

1353
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,559
smooth sailing out out through that area

1354
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:21,119
i've been out in the wild but um

1355
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:22,640
that's just what i've observed out in

1356
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,119
that area

1357
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:27,520
so if there are no more questions um do

1358
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,520
i have a motion to approve

1359
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,000
um let me let me stop miss hamilton dan

1360
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,520
do you need them to go through each

1361
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,480
criterion or can they approve all four

1362
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,480
as a slave do you need to go through

1363
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,400
speaking into the record if you approve

1364
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,720
all four i think you can do it in one go

1365
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:47,430
if you're going to deny one of them

1366
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,440
but they would need to read all four

1367
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,640
india the language

1368
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,720
yeah well you need to find that all for

1369
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,559
example that's what i'm getting at so i

1370
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:58,319
don't think you can and then correct for

1371
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:00,160
i don't think it's it's so simple as

1372
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,799
saying let's get a motion to approve

1373
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:04,559
you would have to state

1374
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,760
that i recommend an approval that

1375
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,359
it uh

1376
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:10,640
what you're saying so we would have to

1377
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,839
read it

1378
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:14,319
yeah yeah okay so in the motion you

1379
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:16,000
would just have to say you feel that it

1380
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,000
beats this and you feel that the second

1381
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,280
one that you feel

1382
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,400
can i can i do it um

1383
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,480
okay i'd like to make the motion uh for

1384
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,750
case number p22-01-hm

1385
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,280
to grant the special use permit

1386
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,200
the first one is useful not materially

1387
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,400
endangered public health or safety

1388
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,319
use use meets all required conditions

1389
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:42,559
and specifications useful maintain or

1390
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,240
enhance the value of adjoining or

1391
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,480
abutting properties or that the use is a

1392
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,200
public necessity location and character

1393
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,200
of use will be in harmony with the area

1394
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,119
where it is located and is in general

1395
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,200
conformity with the town's adopted land

1396
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,799
use plan

1397
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:57,920
um

1398
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,680
is that your motion

1399
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:11,589
right that's my motion

1400
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,839
all in favor raise your right

1401
01:03:14,839 --> 01:03:19,190
hand all opposed

1402
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:24,870
approval is granted all right

1403
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,789
i just forgot the vote part geez

1404
01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:30,880
the important part

1405
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:31,920
oh

1406
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,319
that will conclude a meeting dan um okay

1407
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:35,920
i'll make a motion to adjourn the public

1408
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,200
hearing

1409
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,240
are you done yeah i've done it okay um

1410
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,160
dan i'll uh give you a cough on anything

1411
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,039
but that'll conclude