[0:00] meeting is now called to order
[0:03] if everyone would please rise and take
[0:05] the flags
[0:10] i pledge allegiance to thank the united
[0:13] states of america and to the republic
[0:15] for which it stands one nation under god
[0:19] indivisible with liberty and justice for
[0:22] all
[0:32] i'll just come up here
[0:57] am rosario hi deanna rosario do solemnly
[1:00] swear you seldom swear that i will
[1:02] support and maintain that i support and
[1:04] maintain the constitution and laws of
[1:06] the united states constitutional laws in
[1:08] the united states and the constitution
[1:10] and laws of north carolina
[1:12] and a constitutional laws in north
[1:14] carolina not inconsistent there with not
[1:17] inconsistent there is and that i will
[1:19] faithfully discharge and that i will
[1:21] faithfully discharge the duties of my
[1:23] office my duties in my office as a
[1:25] member of oatmeal's board of adjustments
[1:27] so
[1:28] as a member of oatmeal's board
[1:31] so help me guys so how many guys
[1:36] i did
[1:37] oh
[2:12] um
[2:55] sure
[3:01] [Laughter]
[3:08] all right dan uh you up if you're ready
[3:11] give me one second
[3:12] restarting okay
[3:32] everybody doing tonight
[3:35] good good
[3:38] i have one right here thank you i guess
[3:52] everything always picks the worst time
[3:57] murphy's law um
[4:21] so
[4:47] all right
[5:09] second
[5:10] i'm sorry
[5:49] some technical difficulties
[6:31] uh
[6:40] um
[6:54] so
[7:08] right
[7:19] so
[7:41] all right you good
[7:44] um
[7:58] [Music]
[8:08] one second
[8:20] uh
[8:38] you can't get my presentation
[8:42] you can't see the screen from what
[8:44] you're looking at now
[8:46] okay
[8:47] that's not the screen of the
[8:49] presentation on are we doing uh
[8:52] we do the training
[8:56] [Music]
[9:06] a refresher on the standard here
[9:11] ultimately if you have if
[9:15] they have the entire presentation
[9:17] printed out for them
[9:19] so you can just let me do
[9:35] and i have shared the screen so if you
[9:37] click at the bottom it says share screen
[9:39] you should be able to see what you're
[9:40] looking at
[10:02] well they have it in front of them okay
[10:06] all right y'all hear me okay
[10:08] yes yes
[10:12] everybody hear me yes yeah
[10:14] okay great
[10:15] all right so i know it's been a long
[10:17] time first of all sorry that i'm remote
[10:20] coded right now
[10:22] uh so i couldn't be there in person and
[10:24] then sorry for all the technological
[10:25] issues my computer shows up
[10:31] so as as you all know
[10:32] uh we've met
[10:34] previously but um it's been quite a
[10:36] while since we've had a board of justice
[10:38] hearings
[10:40] uh so just before we get started with
[10:42] the substantive uh case before us
[10:44] tonight reminder on the
[10:46] uh rules and procedures for board of
[10:48] adjustments
[10:50] um
[10:52] as you all are as you all may recall
[10:54] this is what is known as a quadratic
[10:55] judicial board
[10:57] and what that means is this is
[11:00] sitting as like a judge would get
[11:03] uh in court
[11:05] you're you're taking back to
[11:07] define legal standards who goes back
[11:10] making determination as to whether the
[11:12] applicant
[11:40] land use that is
[11:42] allowed within the town of hotels but
[11:44] only by special use permits so it's
[11:47] used that we are
[11:49] you can
[11:50] do this uh but only in support of
[11:52] adjustment agreed that it is
[12:09] the chair of me and i understand we have
[12:11] to have a temporary chair if we uh
[12:14] had the board uh vote to elect the
[12:16] career in care
[12:19] not yet
[12:21] so in a few minutes we'll need to do
[12:23] that to proceed uh because current
[12:25] chairs uh
[12:28] expired and we'll need to reappoint them
[12:31] because everyone serves with three-year
[12:32] terms so we need to have a five-member
[12:34] board
[12:35] so
[12:36] in just a few minutes you'll vote to
[12:38] have a temporary um
[12:42] chairperson and then that person will
[12:44] sort of run the meeting
[12:47] and i'll be happy to assist with that
[12:48] but the way the way it runs is you've
[12:50] got an applicant here
[12:53] who's
[12:54] soon present for the meeting
[12:56] may be represented by council
[12:59] there
[13:01] their verdict is to come in and show you
[13:03] that they are entitled
[13:05] to a specialist permit
[13:08] as
[13:09] the board of adjustment your job is to
[13:12] elicit the facts and testimony necessary
[13:15] to make a determination
[13:16] as to whether the four criteria for
[13:18] special permanent or medic
[13:20] if they are met then you do rest but
[13:23] then you should grant specialties permit
[13:25] if they are not met
[13:27] then you need to document why
[13:30] which element is not met and why it is
[13:32] not passed ultimately is the burden of
[13:34] the applicant to prove that they meet
[13:36] those four standards
[13:38] your role as a board member and an
[13:40] important adjustment is to elicit the
[13:42] testimony necessary to make that
[13:44] determination
[13:45] or if there's questions about something
[13:47] that the applicant has presented or
[13:49] someone believed in opposition to this
[13:50] but she's permanently presented to ask
[13:53] those questions so that you have the
[13:54] knowledge base to make the decisions now
[13:57] everything that you use to make a
[13:59] decision and acquire that judicial
[14:01] hearing has to come from the hearing
[14:03] itself so anything that you may already
[14:05] know
[14:06] or may have heard about this project you
[14:09] can put that out of your mind i don't
[14:10] think that's going to be an issue here
[14:13] but you need to make your decision on
[14:15] whether the permit is granted or not
[14:19] only on the facts presented to you
[14:21] tonight that are part of the record in
[14:23] this case the record in this case is
[14:25] what will be presented
[14:27] during the hearing testimony any
[14:29] documents that may be presented
[14:32] i don't know that this will be an issue
[14:34] tonight but certain testimony requires
[14:36] an expert opinion
[14:38] for example traffic impact
[14:41] things that would be within the realm of
[14:44] something only a
[14:46] um
[14:46] an expert would
[14:48] have knowledge of
[14:50] so effect on property values
[14:54] traffic study analysis those types of
[14:56] things and as we as we get through the
[14:58] hearing if any of that comes up i'll
[15:00] flag that for you that's probably with
[15:02] our expert testimony
[15:04] and that's that just means you know you
[15:06] can't consider late testimony is just someone coming in
[15:09] and saying i think this is going to
[15:11] affect my property values
[15:13] um
[15:15] you need someone who is familiar with
[15:17] the field of real estate you could
[15:20] testify that how it might affect
[15:22] property value
[15:24] likewise um
[15:27] so
[15:29] as as we go through tonight um
[15:32] you know i'll i'll make sure that we're staying within the balance of
[15:35] testimony that we are allowed to have at
[15:37] this hearing
[15:39] and if anybody does have questions about
[15:41] a piece of testimony or evidence of the
[15:44] appropriateness of that
[15:46] just let me know
[15:48] and we'll make sure we
[15:52] proceed the right way
[15:54] so
[15:57] as i said the issue tonight is
[16:02] a special use permit
[16:05] the four criteria for special needs from
[16:08] nesting on one second
[16:10] hey dan i have that at the um
[16:13] back of my uh
[16:15] you guys have this yes yeah they have
[16:17] that in there as well i mean if you want
[16:19] to explain to them that's fine
[16:30] uh
[17:03] things like that because
[17:05] that's not what's before us tonight um
[17:07] dan what'll probably happen is um
[17:10] now that we've concluded the ethics
[17:12] training there are privilege in the
[17:14] elect officers but when i do a quick
[17:16] presentation on the case the slides that
[17:19] i provided for them the four criterion
[17:22] for the special use is at the back of
[17:24] that and there may be some discussion to
[17:26] make sure they clarify
[17:29] the specific particular criterion um at
[17:32] that time so i think the training that
[17:34] you just gave is sufficient so we can
[17:37] discuss this later when that's when we
[17:39] get to that decision
[17:42] if they need clarification
[17:44] did any member of the board have any
[17:46] questions at this point on on what we're
[17:48] doing tonight or how we're going to go
[17:50] about doing that
[17:51] i do not no they said no there was one question
[17:56] hello we got one question hold on a
[17:57] second i'm sorry i may be jumping ahead
[17:59] but
[18:00] this whole special use permit is because
[18:02] the current zoning codes don't allow for
[18:05] daycare i'll give you updates or is that
[18:07] am i jumping ahead no no perfect
[18:09] question it's in the presentation i'm
[18:11] getting ready to give and it'll make all
[18:12] the sense world
[18:14] all right i think that's it dan uh jane
[18:17] you want to move to the rest of the uh do we have a volunteer for a vice
[18:23] chair
[18:33] and i think what jane is saying is
[18:35] until you elect officers the um mrs
[18:39] hamilton would just preside over this
[18:41] meeting in the union so we wanted to go
[18:42] to the motions and seconds for that one
[18:46] well technically she just and correct
[18:48] for wrong jane and dan
[18:50] mrs hamilton will take us through item
[18:53] three which is approval of an agenda the
[18:55] election of officers
[18:58] y'all didn't approve that
[19:00] okay so we're at the election of the
[19:02] chair and vice chair
[19:04] ultimately you make that decision and
[19:07] whoever is chosen at the chair and they
[19:09] take over the rest or do you just leave
[19:11] miss hamilton to finish to me my
[19:12] suggestion is that tonight we'll like
[19:15] elect a vice chair
[19:18] and then once miss uh
[19:20] crater is receded then we can
[19:27] so we just elect the vice chair tonight
[19:30] yeah that's if dan thinks that's
[19:33] appropriate
[19:34] and dana did you catch that
[19:36] i
[19:40] ultimately mrs hamilton has volunteered
[19:42] as vice chair but with the issue of mrs
[19:45] craver
[19:46] um i think miss hamilton we would
[19:49] ultimately let her preside over the rest
[19:52] of the meeting but they're gonna
[19:54] nominate a vice chair tonight and then i
[19:57] guess they wait until no
[20:00] i'm saying
[20:01] miss hamilton would be
[20:03] the vice chair
[20:05] then at the next meeting we
[20:08] can
[20:09] do the whole election okay so so mrs
[20:11] hamilton is volunteers vice chair she
[20:13] proves out over this meeting his vice
[20:15] chair and then at the next particular
[20:17] board of adjustment meeting we just have
[20:18] the
[20:19] election of the office yeah i think that
[20:22] worked okay okay
[20:24] uh does anyone have any comment
[20:28] no just because i was gonna make a
[20:30] motion tour okay
[20:44] the second about mrs gaston
[21:01] yeah uh next on the agenda is uh the
[21:04] approval of the minutes
[21:06] we did that already oh yeah i did that
[21:08] all right i guess next i'm up um
[21:11] the public hearing uh i'm reading from
[21:13] this particular document now
[21:16] and this is the official public hearing
[21:18] this is for a board of adjustment case
[21:21] and it's a request to consider a special
[21:23] use permit to allow a daycare facility
[21:26] in a rr rural residential slash cz
[21:30] conditional zoning district this is case
[21:33] p 22-01-hm
[21:36] on august 29th 2022. if you flip to the
[21:39] second page
[21:41] um just the background information the
[21:43] applicant again is seeking a specialist
[21:45] permit to open up a daycare facility
[21:48] inside of an existing recreational
[21:50] facility if you recall
[21:52] or if you're not sure the tj robertson
[21:54] life center is open
[21:56] as a
[21:58] recreational facility the site is 10.0
[22:01] acres in size
[22:02] but this is the key that's tied to mrs
[22:05] gaston's previous question
[22:07] the reason why there is a zoning case
[22:10] zng-009
[22:13] because this site is zone rr slash
[22:17] conditional zoning and when she
[22:19] initially got the conditional zoning
[22:21] approval a couple years ago
[22:24] she was specifically ironed in to the
[22:27] uses that she submitted with the
[22:30] application at the time two years ago
[22:32] and it was just generic uses so when she
[22:35] wanted to actually add daycares as a use
[22:38] because daycares was not listed in the
[22:41] list of uses she wanted under the
[22:44] initial conditional use approval she had
[22:47] to go through the process again to add
[22:49] daycares in as a permitted use
[22:52] she's here today because our zoning
[22:55] coach says that the only way you can
[22:57] approve a daycare is by a special use
[23:00] permit so the case that i'm referencing
[23:02] again this is
[23:05] zng00922 that was approved on july 18th
[23:08] was just our board of commissioners
[23:10] giving her the approval to have daycares
[23:14] as a permitted use on this conditional
[23:17] zoning with them knowing that in order
[23:20] to approve the daycare she would have to
[23:23] come through to you guys so that's why
[23:25] she's here today but that's why that
[23:27] reference case is in your staff report
[23:31] um
[23:32] next page it provides you with just the
[23:36] zoning of the property and surrounding
[23:38] zoning you see the properties to the
[23:41] south or zone rr
[23:44] the property of directly adjacent to the
[23:47] subject property is developed with the
[23:49] religious facility
[23:50] and so basically you have mainly almost
[23:53] 100 percent residential uses around this
[23:55] particular property
[23:57] the next page it outlines the
[24:00] southwest plan the southwest plan calls
[24:03] for medium density residential and
[24:05] suburban residential um you'll find that
[24:09] to be useful when you get to the back
[24:11] page because one of the last criteria
[24:13] speaks about the land use plan that's
[24:15] the reason why i have that in here um
[24:18] the next couple of video slides you see
[24:21] are just the site
[24:22] photographs i'm not sure if you guys had
[24:24] a chance to visit the site but this is
[24:26] the existing facility it's 50 000 square
[24:29] feet um and i want to make sure i point
[24:32] out whatever is going on at the facility
[24:34] right now as a recreational center
[24:36] that's really not what you're
[24:37] considering you're considering if a
[24:40] daycare center is suitable to be
[24:42] operated inside of it she's not
[24:44] constructing anything on the outside
[24:47] this will basically be a complete
[24:49] internal operation and so i don't think
[24:52] you'll see anything different than what
[24:53] you see out there now it just means that
[24:56] somewhere in that building she's going
[24:58] to operate a daycare now in full
[25:00] disclosure she's also going through
[25:01] inspections to go through the proper
[25:03] process for permitting and things of
[25:05] nature but she has to get disapproved
[25:07] first
[25:08] if you go to the last sheet
[25:11] what i have on here um this is directly
[25:13] out of general statute in order to grant
[25:16] a special use permit the board of
[25:18] adjustments must find the following and
[25:20] i'll read them out
[25:21] into the record
[25:23] a that the use will not materially
[25:25] endanger public health or safety
[25:28] second the use meets all required
[25:30] conditions and specifications
[25:32] third the use will maintain or enhance
[25:35] the value of adjoining or budding
[25:37] properties or that the use is a public
[25:40] necessity and finally that the location
[25:43] and character of the use will be in
[25:45] harmony with the area where it is
[25:46] located in this generic general
[25:49] conformity with the towns of dr lange's
[25:52] plan i put that on the previous slide to
[25:54] show you that it is in compliance with
[25:56] the lanes plan knowing that that was
[25:58] going to be mentioned in the fourth
[26:00] criterion um and then correct me if i'm
[26:03] wrong i have in bold a four-fifths vote
[26:06] is required to grant a variance but all
[26:08] other actions by the board of
[26:10] adjustments are just requiring a
[26:12] majority vote is that correct
[26:15] that's correct that tonight is just a
[26:17] simple majority simple majority vote so
[26:19] just to clarify if this is a variance
[26:22] they would have to get four out of five
[26:23] of you guys to vote approval but because
[26:26] it's a species permanent a simple
[26:28] majority would ultimately grant the
[26:30] approval um then also just for
[26:32] clarification do does the applicant have
[26:35] to show
[26:37] support for all four criterion for a
[26:40] special use permit like a variance or is
[26:42] it
[26:44] up to the discretion of the board
[26:46] well the board has to find that all four
[26:49] of those that's what i'm asking so what
[26:51] i'm clarifying is all for these
[26:53] criterion you would have to find that
[26:56] she meets all four of these
[26:58] before we can ultimately grant that
[27:00] majority approval um that concludes my
[27:03] presentation in terms of the finest
[27:05] effect i like to open up the floor to
[27:07] any questions that you guys have for
[27:10] myself or the town clerk or the town
[27:13] attorney
[27:17] that's it for the presentation because
[27:20] that's why i said typically for
[27:21] quasi-judicial the only thing i can do
[27:24] is tell you the facts of the case i
[27:25] can't give you
[27:26] an opinion about it i can't tell you
[27:28] what you should or should do i typically
[27:30] would give a very
[27:31] lengthy recommendation but
[27:34] because the decision of the like mr hot
[27:37] sauce said that your decision is based
[27:39] on just fondness of facts and testimony
[27:42] that's what you have to rely on and what
[27:44] you're ultimately
[27:45] deciding is if this facility the way it
[27:49] exists now
[27:50] do you think a daycare center suitable
[27:52] on the inside that's ultimately what their request is i think he's
[27:56] asking if anybody has any questions on
[27:58] the four factors i do
[27:59] for that
[28:01] i mean i don't see how c is meant
[28:06] a public necessity
[28:09] i think that's just a matter of and dan
[28:11] craven for wrong with a daycare center i
[28:13] don't know if
[28:15] any daycare would be a public necessity
[28:17] per se that's more of a
[28:19] i guess more european
[28:21] you know if you look at the criteria
[28:23] where we're trying to see if it meets
[28:26] whether it is the public necessity is
[28:28] not on the list
[28:30] so you know we need to find that it is
[28:32] it won't endanger public health
[28:35] that is going to maintain or enhance
[28:37] value of property around it
[28:40] but it doesn't need to be so we don't
[28:42] need to decide if well we need a daycare
[28:45] center
[28:46] or we don't need anything
[28:47] that's not really what
[28:50] your your job tonight is solely to
[28:51] determine these four factors
[29:00] okay i have a question
[29:02] this
[29:04] proposed daycare this is for school-aged
[29:06] kids before after school
[29:09] off school daycare it's not going to be
[29:11] like infants and
[29:12] toddlers from my understanding of school
[29:15] age um kids
[29:16] from my i think uh
[29:19] i'm not mistaken she might have it in
[29:21] her application so you mean just after
[29:23] school care and not like a full day care
[29:25] from 0 to 12. hold on a second it has it
[29:28] here it has before and after school
[29:31] it says before and after care for kids
[29:33] that's in the in this one the agenda yes
[29:36] in the uh phase 3 of the application
[29:40] it does say pretty much
[29:42] full day care but it does say
[29:45] it doesn't say school age or infants it
[29:47] just says for kids
[30:04] i would say if it says school before
[30:06] after school i would
[30:08] probably consider that school age but
[30:10] and what about summer programs
[30:15] she has summer camp in here
[30:18] they already do that yeah and i think
[30:20] they are already doing that so so this
[30:22] is basically just an expansion of what
[30:23] they already do
[30:26] as a recreation center
[30:28] i wouldn't say just an expansion because
[30:31] the state based on what she's moving
[30:33] with this is will be on approved daycare
[30:36] with the state so
[30:38] some of the activities that she does
[30:40] with kids may be increased but for what
[30:43] she's asking for this evening there is
[30:45] going to be an officially state approved
[30:47] daycare operation um i do think that
[30:50] some of the services that a child
[30:54] participates in daycare may
[30:56] be similar to what typical summer camp
[30:58] activities are
[30:59] but i wouldn't call it an extension of
[31:02] summer camp um it appears that there are
[31:05] some activities she's going to be doing
[31:06] with kids that do fall under the strict
[31:08] specific
[31:10] requirements of what the state regulates
[31:12] as a daycare
[31:15] do we know had any of the neighbors had
[31:18] any objections
[31:19] no
[31:20] based on the general statute we do we
[31:23] did send notices out to all adjacent
[31:25] property owners
[31:26] and i want to make sure i'm clear as
[31:28] well this has been
[31:31] discussed for about three months because
[31:34] if you recall she had a two-month
[31:36] process from the zoning which was
[31:39] planning board and board of
[31:40] commissioners where at that public
[31:42] hearing it was notified that she's
[31:44] pursuing this zoning action because she
[31:47] wants to add a daycare so i will say
[31:50] that not only was this particular
[31:53] special use permit
[31:54] hearing advertised that sign has
[31:57] probably been up on that property
[31:59] advertising the two-month period of
[32:01] rezonings as well and so if you looked
[32:04] at our
[32:05] zone of signs
[32:06] we're trying to
[32:08] get a little snazzy with technology our
[32:10] zoning signs have qr codes on them so i
[32:13] don't have to go get the zoning case
[32:15] printed on every sign you take your
[32:17] camera and you point it at the sign it
[32:19] runs it straight to a public hearing
[32:21] pending public hearing agenda item so
[32:24] the public agenda item for the rezoning
[32:27] case has been
[32:29] pretty much on uh our website since
[32:32] probably june
[32:34] and that's the case that listed she's
[32:36] pursuing a daycare center here this is
[32:39] the approval of the daycare center so i
[32:41] would surmise that the general public at
[32:44] least in the surrounding neighborhood
[32:45] because we had to send notices out to
[32:47] adjacent properties for the rezoning
[32:49] case and this particular case to answer
[32:52] the question i would surmise that in my
[32:54] opinion they probably are aware i'm not
[32:57] i haven't received any phone calls in
[32:59] any opposition
[33:01] but at least i can say that sign
[33:04] notifications letters and on our website
[33:07] it has been up for quite some time at
[33:09] least two months
[33:11] this will be the third month because
[33:13] the approval of the rezoning was on july
[33:16] 8th
[33:17] um and then we had to wait a while to
[33:19] get a date to actually uh
[33:22] um be within your your schedule as well
[33:25] so i would say
[33:27] since june has been the time that we
[33:30] were probably advertising um probably
[33:32] earlier than that because
[33:34] the
[33:34] town of oatmeal's border commissioner's
[33:36] approval was in july 18th the planning
[33:39] board approved was the month prior to
[33:41] that
[33:42] most daycares have outside facilities
[33:44] for the children is that already there
[33:48] our ordinance only says that if you have
[33:51] a playground it has to be enclosed with
[33:53] defense it does not require a playground
[33:56] we haven't gotten any indication from
[33:58] mrs robinson that she's doing anything
[34:01] on the exterior of the site
[34:04] to submit the site plan that she made in
[34:06] submitting an application is the same
[34:08] site plan that she used so that's why i
[34:09] said from what has been presented to
[34:11] staff this appears to be an internal
[34:14] operation if you've ever visited the
[34:16] site there's so much
[34:18] there's a lot of activities inside the
[34:20] building and so i'm not
[34:22] sure if that factored into why she's not
[34:25] going to have a playground but she does
[34:26] not
[34:27] have one
[34:28] uh submitted with the site plan that
[34:30] gives us the
[34:31] impression that there's any activity
[34:33] that's going to take place
[34:54] i think you can discuss if you got any
[34:55] questions for us or you got a question
[34:56] for each other
[34:58] and then i guess somebody makes a motion
[35:00] at some point is there anyone here
[35:01] that's going to present their case um and dan craft i don't think the
[35:06] applicant has to be present um yeah yes
[35:10] so who's the advocate that want to
[35:12] present
[35:13] testimony that's fine uh then you just
[35:16] make your decision based on the
[35:18] documents that are in the record okay
[35:20] yeah
[35:22] so there's nobody here that
[35:23] will speak against her for
[35:26] basically there's nobody here in support
[35:28] or in opposition um which is typical
[35:31] with public hearings um
[35:33] but if there are questions that you
[35:35] specifically have for her that's not in
[35:38] the documents you have to record that
[35:40] would be a challenge but as of right now
[35:43] if that does if that is the case if you
[35:45] do have questions that aren't answered
[35:48] by the evidence currently in the record
[35:50] and you need testimony from the
[35:51] applicant or someone else
[35:53] in order to make your decision
[35:56] then we would have to probably uh
[36:00] you know
[36:01] reconvene
[36:03] and ask that uh the applicant be
[36:05] president yeah so that's a deferral if
[36:07] you feel that there's an answer that you
[36:10] need that is gonna determine the vote
[36:14] yes or no
[36:15] then i think what he's saying is you
[36:17] could possibly uh postpone or defer the
[36:19] case so that she can
[36:22] answer your question directly or if you
[36:24] feel that the documents and the
[36:26] information that you have this evening
[36:29] is sufficient enough for you to make
[36:30] that evaluation or that determination
[36:33] then you proceed accordingly i do have
[36:35] some questions um
[36:37] how close is the nearest residential the nearest housing
[36:42] is there a
[36:43] um
[36:44] it's like a distance
[36:46] yeah a neighborhood close to the
[36:48] building or is it out there where
[36:50] there's nobody around it i will say
[36:52] uh if i'm on the building side of
[36:56] black's bridge there's a church if i'm facing the building there's a
[37:02] church on the left-hand side there are
[37:05] two single-family houses on the
[37:07] right-hand side
[37:09] and then across the street there's a
[37:11] whole neighborhood okay so i think the
[37:14] neighborhood is called blackbridge
[37:15] village
[37:16] and i think steeplechase is on the
[37:18] backside of that across the street
[37:21] but right beside it there is a
[37:23] pretty large church on one side
[37:26] and
[37:27] i wouldn't call it a heavily wooded area
[37:29] it's not a neighborhood on the other
[37:31] side but there are two houses
[37:33] on that side i would say most of the
[37:35] residential development that you see
[37:38] is probably across the street i wouldn't
[37:40] say there's a significant amount of
[37:42] resident development within the
[37:43] close confines on the same side of the
[37:46] street okay because this says that it
[37:48] will operate from six in the morning
[37:50] until six in the evening
[37:51] um so i'm just asking these questions
[37:54] because of maybe a noise issue
[37:56] um if they're going to have recreational
[37:58] activities you're adding an additional
[38:01] however many children that are going to
[38:03] be there so is this going to create a
[38:05] noise issue with the neighbors um that's
[38:08] kind of where i'm going to just know
[38:09] it's traffic transportation right into
[38:12] the day and people lining up on the
[38:14] street i mean i see that the parking lot
[38:17] is extremely large
[38:19] um but if you got a lot of recreational
[38:21] activities going on you got people
[38:22] coming and going picking up kids
[38:25] so that could become an issue i would
[38:27] say um
[38:29] just and i'm not the advocate but just
[38:31] surmising what has been presented to me
[38:34] i would say that i think the building is
[38:36] sufficient enough to handle the
[38:38] operation internally
[38:40] she hasn't indicated to me what the
[38:42] number of kids are
[38:45] i didn't get an indication where it's a
[38:48] large and considerably large
[38:50] number of people um typically what we
[38:53] look for is the parking and the parking
[38:55] calculation is one space for
[38:59] i think
[39:00] three
[39:04] parking calculation is
[39:10] two parking spaces plus one off street
[39:12] parking space for each employee
[39:15] and so um
[39:18] i think it's more of a judgment call we
[39:19] don't have any information that tells us
[39:21] how many children that she's targeting
[39:23] to deal with during the day so i do
[39:25] think that's a valid question i guess
[39:27] your question would be
[39:29] do you think that
[39:30] the day care center operation at the
[39:34] same time as the recreation facility
[39:36] operation
[39:38] will push
[39:39] this facility to the point where it
[39:41] wouldn't have adequate parking from what
[39:43] you have now that's the question that
[39:45] you ultimately have to determine but i
[39:48] don't see anything in my application on
[39:50] what has been submitted to us
[39:52] it would help to know like if they have
[39:54] a half of the building dedicated for
[39:56] child care or one big room dedicated for
[39:59] child care or however they're going to
[40:01] do that so that would give them them as
[40:03] well as us an approximate idea of how
[40:05] many people are going to be in that
[40:07] facility any i will say if that is that
[40:10] is the question i will say from my
[40:12] conversations with the chief building
[40:14] inspector because right now
[40:15] she's having to deal with them because
[40:18] what no matter where you put this in the
[40:20] building you're going to have
[40:21] um exit fire hydrant i meant fire exit
[40:25] issues and things that you may have to
[40:26] alter the building to do
[40:28] and so from my
[40:29] uh
[40:30] conversations and meetings with them and
[40:33] the applicant and the
[40:34] chief building inspector it appears that
[40:36] a small room or small section of the
[40:39] interior piece would be used it does not
[40:42] appear to me to sound like half of the
[40:44] entire facility will be utilized it
[40:47] sounds like she's trying to find a small
[40:50] area or room within the existing portion
[40:53] that she would have to alter to steal me
[40:55] the building code but that's what it
[40:57] appears to be centered towards
[41:00] that's still an intimidating number of
[41:02] kids
[41:03] but it does indicate to me that it
[41:05] appears that she's want to utilize a
[41:07] small portion of the building not the
[41:09] entire facility
[41:10] i do have a question for that playground
[41:13] if she wants that playground will she
[41:14] have to come back
[41:16] and do this again no the playground
[41:19] simply says in our code if you do have a
[41:22] playground it just gives parameters on
[41:24] the construction of that playground so
[41:26] if you go back to the far end and i'm
[41:29] just telling you why i don't think that
[41:31] she's going to have one
[41:33] if you go to the far end of that site
[41:36] that's the only portion of the site
[41:37] that's not pavement
[41:39] the entire front and other uh front and
[41:43] left right side of the entire facility
[41:45] is paved the other side of it is an
[41:47] adjacent property so if i were just
[41:50] looking at analysis
[41:52] analyzing the site i would say the rear
[41:54] would probably be the only area that she
[41:56] could put something the reason why i
[41:58] don't think that's practical is because
[42:00] that's the rear entrance on exit to the
[42:03] biggest gym that they have
[42:05] so you'd be running a a playground out
[42:08] of the gym
[42:09] the way the code reads the playground
[42:12] has to be accessible from an interior
[42:13] classroom
[42:14] so i don't think that that portion of
[42:17] the building would be sufficient for a
[42:18] playground either that may be why she's
[42:21] not proposing one if she does propose a
[42:25] daycare she wouldn't have to come i mean
[42:27] propose a playground she wouldn't have
[42:29] to come back to you guys to get an
[42:30] approval on the playground she's going
[42:32] to meet the building code on where she's
[42:34] putting it and the accessibility to it
[42:37] so she still has to meet the building
[42:39] code but the playground wouldn't have to
[42:42] come back to you guys for approval i
[42:45] just think based on the me looking at
[42:47] the building looking at the site and the
[42:49] layout of the building
[42:51] i don't see where she could put one
[42:52] outside if she does do one she has to be
[42:55] the building code
[42:56] that street is it a two-way street black
[42:59] bridge yeah yes okay and we is she gonna
[43:02] have someone or do you know if she's
[43:04] gonna have someone out there to direct
[43:06] traffic control once pickup starts at
[43:08] six because
[43:10] and i can't i'm trying to picture it but
[43:12] having that traffic backed up so the the
[43:15] parents can come in and pick up the kids
[43:17] is someone going to be there controlling
[43:19] that traffic i would say um in terms of
[43:22] it's two different
[43:24] levels to that answer when dlt approves
[43:27] a facility of this magnitude they
[43:29] require what we call a deceleration lane
[43:32] if it gets a big a much bigger they are
[43:34] going to require stop lights and things
[43:35] that nature so dlt did require the
[43:38] installation of a deceleration lane for
[43:40] this facility and what that is is if you
[43:42] have traffic coming this way and traffic
[43:45] coming this way on blackbridge road and
[43:47] cars start to back up there's a separate
[43:49] dedicated lane
[43:51] that you can pull into they just gives
[43:53] only access to this site
[43:55] so that's the answer to the
[43:57] car stacking up on blackbridge if we're
[44:00] talking about dropping off directly in
[44:03] front of the building
[44:04] because of the topography if you go to
[44:06] the site it's very steep
[44:08] sloping topography so i would surmise
[44:11] that the drop-off area is probably going
[44:13] to be well off of blackbridge because
[44:15] you're going to probably have to turn
[44:17] into the site and drive a condition a
[44:19] pretty considerable distance to get to
[44:21] the building
[44:22] and that's probably where i would
[44:24] surmise that you're going to have kids
[44:26] being dropped off i don't you're not
[44:27] sure on that
[44:29] i don't see how you would do it in
[44:31] blackbridge because
[44:33] at least i probably i wouldn't
[44:35] um i don't anticipate if you go to the
[44:37] site
[44:39] i don't see how anybody really listens
[44:41] to me would want to drop off on
[44:44] blackbridge because of the way the site
[44:46] is set up you would have to turn onto
[44:48] the property and drive around through
[44:50] the property to get to the building
[44:53] that's where our surmise would probably
[44:55] be your safest location
[44:57] this would be monday through friday
[44:59] um yes from my understanding
[45:02] the site photo the view of it it looks
[45:05] like there might be multiple entrances
[45:07] into the parking lot the various
[45:10] the only interest
[45:11] to the parking lot is there are
[45:14] different access points around the
[45:16] parking lot but there's only one
[45:18] entrance to the parking lot off of black
[45:20] ridge road
[45:21] so there's areas where if you turn in
[45:24] off of the street
[45:26] you can
[45:28] kind of keep straight to a parking area
[45:30] where they have bus bus parking and then
[45:32] you can make a left to because it's
[45:34] almost like a detention pond in the middle of the
[45:38] site that you can go around but there's
[45:40] only one entrance to and from the
[45:43] property of black people and flax bridge
[45:45] right now is still just two lanes
[45:46] there's not a turning lane
[45:48] uh it's it's two lanes in one direction
[45:50] and then there's a dedicated
[45:52] deceleration lane that was put in
[45:55] as required from the d.o.t since the
[45:57] erect
[45:58] since this building's been erased yes
[45:59] okay i haven't been down there in a
[46:01] while yeah and not much farther from
[46:03] there are they doing
[46:04] work for 292.95 they've changed the area
[46:07] tremendously they got three roundabouts
[46:09] further down 295 is dumping out there
[46:12] but
[46:13] what the reason why i say d.o.t comes
[46:15] into play when d.o.t was doing the
[46:17] evaluation of the recreation center in
[46:19] general because it's 50 000 square feet
[46:22] because there is concern with traffic
[46:25] that's where there are certain
[46:26] thresholds of dlt that are triggered
[46:29] based on the magnitude of a development
[46:31] the lowest threshold is your
[46:33] deceleration lane the next threshold is
[46:35] a traffic impact study the next
[46:37] threshold above that is you're probably
[46:39] having to put in stop lights and things
[46:40] of that nature and so they determine
[46:44] what that threshold is and sometimes
[46:47] they see a development that doesn't
[46:48] require anything so for this development
[46:51] um the approval by dot did require
[46:53] deceleration lane and that's all kind of
[46:56] been resolved yes
[46:59] yeah they needed they had to have that
[47:01] in stock before they could get an
[47:02] approval from uh traffic impact is one
[47:04] of those things that does require
[47:06] expert testimony of these things so
[47:09] if you believe that that is necessary
[47:13] that's a good point that might be
[47:14] something that
[47:15] you know
[47:17] you need to
[47:19] really lean on but
[47:21] as chancellor said it may
[47:34] one of the reasons that i asked about
[47:38] the size of the the childcare operation
[47:40] is uh that would depend on how many
[47:43] children would depend on how many
[47:45] people are coming to drop off and pick
[47:47] up because they've already got
[47:48] recreation and everything in there so if
[47:51] it's only maybe 10 or 12 kids i don't
[47:54] think it would make that much of a
[47:55] difference in the traffic so that's kind
[47:57] of why was that that's a very good point
[47:59] because if we're talking 10 kids versus
[48:02] a couple hundred right completely
[48:04] exactly so like i said if they if
[48:05] they've already got recreation and all
[48:07] kinds of other stuff going on you're
[48:09] still going to have a lot of traffic so
[48:11] five or ten cars to me isn't going to
[48:13] make that big of a difference and again
[48:15] we don't have a number of kids the only
[48:17] thing i can tell you is the
[48:18] conversations that we're having you got
[48:20] to understand the magnitude of it
[48:22] they're having this conversation after
[48:23] we've given the building a co we've
[48:25] already approved everything in the
[48:26] building for the recreational facility
[48:28] so when she's coming back she knows that
[48:31] in order to open this in this facility
[48:33] she has to do some changes to the
[48:35] building to meet the building code to
[48:37] meet the state requirements of what any
[48:39] daycare would be right and under those
[48:41] conversations it doesn't appear that
[48:44] she's saying she's taking half of a 50
[48:47] 000 square foot facility for kids
[48:50] she's trying to find a small portion
[48:52] in that building to retrofit that inn
[48:55] that still doesn't give me the number of
[48:56] kids
[48:57] but it kind of does tell me that this doesn't anticipate from my
[49:02] standpoint to be in a very large
[49:04] operation
[49:07] excuse me i said but we don't know
[49:11] so without knowing the number of kids we
[49:13] don't know if she's going to have enough
[49:14] staff to to deal with all the kids and
[49:17] the traffic and
[49:19] all the logistics that go with it
[49:22] that's a valid question but i think
[49:24] that's that comes in what that falls in
[49:26] line with your state regulations on how
[49:28] many people that that really doesn't
[49:30] have anything to do with us because that
[49:32] is by the state how many you have the
[49:34] qualifications of each they do have a
[49:37] very strict set of regulations yeah i'm
[49:39] very familiar with it with that and
[49:41] that's why i said i do know this is a
[49:43] fully functional daycare center because
[49:45] we did talk to the state in terms of
[49:47] what their requirements were it's very
[49:49] strict yeah yeah it's very strict and so
[49:52] that still doesn't answer the question a
[49:53] number of kids but i think when
[49:54] employees a lot of those things are
[49:57] regulated and then does she plan to
[49:59] expand to where she's gonna be third
[50:01] shift opening on weekends
[50:04] because then you got to consider the
[50:05] church traffic
[50:07] i'm not sure
[50:12] would that be another hearing if she
[50:13] wanted to do that or she would just
[50:15] increase with the stuff we don't approve
[50:17] the hours of operation
[50:19] here's a daycare now when you say third
[50:21] shift what would a third shift daycare
[50:23] operate as i'm not
[50:24] sure yeah they they keep the kids
[50:28] overnight
[50:29] so eleven to seven
[50:31] what she ultimately said here in her
[50:33] application was six a.m to six months
[50:35] yeah but
[50:36] i'm thinking
[50:38] later on and she planned on expanding
[50:40] and then
[50:41] i was thinking about traffic especially
[50:43] if she explained it on sundays with the
[50:45] church today um dan what i guess would
[50:48] you consider if their application says
[50:50] the daycare center from 6am to 6pm with
[50:54] expanding that to being 24 hours
[50:57] overnight would that constitute a
[50:58] different type of approval
[51:01] that's not
[51:02] granted here
[51:06] what's the question for their their
[51:07] application is to run daycare for six
[51:10] days
[51:11] yes and uh there's a question is if they
[51:13] wanted to expand it to
[51:15] third shift of overnight would that
[51:18] require them to come back to the board
[51:20] of adjustments
[51:24] um
[51:30] i mean still a daycare but
[51:35] well
[51:37] could they could they do they personally
[51:41] today i think we consider they're going
[51:43] to be running
[51:44] and then if they want to change it down
[51:46] the road
[51:47] we'll figure out what happens they have
[51:49] to do that
[51:51] but for today
[51:53] they're they're running
[51:54] and i do know in the general statute
[51:57] they can put conditions
[51:59] um
[52:00] maybe that could be a condition that it
[52:02] operates under what the application
[52:04] indicated it would be that would lock
[52:06] them in i'm not sure
[52:08] conditions that you impose on a special
[52:10] use permit can only be permitted from
[52:12] the extent that
[52:14] you know if one of these conditions if
[52:16] the condition is added then it helps
[52:18] meet the criteria
[52:20] so if they meet all the criteria
[52:25] it has to be
[52:26] you know if if they ran it from 66 then
[52:30] it would
[52:34] yeah that kind of thing so
[52:36] any condition you put on it has to be
[52:38] geared towards
[52:40] assisting them to meet one of these four
[52:41] criteria in other words they would meet
[52:43] these four criteria
[52:45] if they added anybody
[52:47] does that make sense
[52:49] yeah do you understand what he's saying
[52:57] is any anything of financial cost to
[53:00] hope meals
[53:04] i mean
[53:06] as far as taxpayers any of this would be
[53:08] a financial cost or it's just solely on
[53:11] the facility
[53:12] yeah i don't think i'll attacks now it
[53:14] says here uh no fiscal impact okay yeah
[53:18] that would be a backer yeah
[53:20] i mean we as
[53:22] i do economic development as well so any
[53:24] new establishment especially this
[53:26] magnitude
[53:27] there are benefits from it but i don't
[53:29] think
[53:30] this particular use would swing it one
[53:32] way or the other in terms of the task
[53:35] base
[53:36] and i see they're also wanting to do
[53:38] bingo
[53:40] is bingo generally in the evenings isn't
[53:42] it normally in the evening hours
[53:46] bingo on there i wouldn't consider being
[53:48] out to be a part of daycare i mean i
[53:50] think she probably can do that now okay
[53:52] at the recreation center because i think
[53:53] she does pickleball and stuff like that
[53:56] um she has programs for singers but i
[53:58] don't i wouldn't
[54:00] she put it in there i wouldn't consider
[54:02] my daughter six
[54:05] oh
[54:06] i'm not sure
[54:11] they could probably maybe adjust their
[54:12] hours later and that's not something we
[54:14] do that's something they wouldn't want
[54:15] to do
[54:17] if they got complaints or something
[54:18] that's just my thought
[54:21] you know if somebody called about
[54:23] complaints about noise or traffic then
[54:26] they could you know maybe adjust it on
[54:28] their own with their hours or how they
[54:30] do things so
[54:32] not just my opinion
[54:36] because we can't control the hours or
[54:37] anything that they do out there just
[54:43] i don't have any more questions
[54:46] same
[54:47] any more questions from anybody not
[54:49] satisfied
[54:50] um okay so wait i'm sorry i do have one
[54:54] more question the church says
[54:57] adjacent do they have a day here
[55:00] no not to my knowledge i do know they
[55:02] have talked to the uh
[55:05] the facility about overflow parking uh
[55:08] being
[55:09] allowed at the church
[55:11] you can do certain things like shared
[55:12] parking agreements and things of nature
[55:14] i do know they had conversations
[55:17] but i do know that i don't i know the
[55:20] pastor uh i'm gonna say hi but i do know
[55:22] the pastor but i don't think he has a
[55:24] daycare at the church okay other than
[55:27] like during the service
[55:29] some of them do yeah
[55:30] i'm not yeah like you know some churches
[55:32] have overflowed for kids during service
[55:35] but i don't think because they would
[55:37] have to go through the special
[55:38] experiment processes
[55:40] um any daycare center has to go through
[55:42] the special perfect process
[55:44] i'm not aware enough it was one approved
[55:46] at the church before
[55:48] i came along i'm not aware of one being
[55:50] there i do know like i said they've had
[55:52] conversations about
[55:55] the utilization of the church parking
[55:56] lot a lot of times when you have
[55:59] requests for shared parking we we uh
[56:02] consider the character and use of the
[56:04] building so let's say that the time that
[56:06] my building will be occupied
[56:09] is during the week and your building is
[56:11] adjacent and you work during the week as
[56:13] well we're going to meet at the same
[56:14] time
[56:14] so we're not you're not giving me
[56:16] parking that's taking you're giving me
[56:18] partners taking away from your parking
[56:19] calculation but if i'm operating monday
[56:22] through saturday
[56:24] and you're a church and you're only
[56:25] operating on sunday typically those uses
[56:28] will not be
[56:29] in conflict with each other those are
[56:32] two uses that do work well with shared
[56:34] parking agreements she doesn't have one
[56:36] with them i do know that they've had
[56:38] conversation
[56:42] there's not any more questions we have a
[56:43] motion to close the public hearing then
[56:45] we'll have discussion and vote on the
[56:48] approve our disapproval
[56:50] i'll make a motion to close the public
[56:52] meeting except 5 seconds save it
[56:56] okay so you want to you guys want to
[56:57] discuss it um
[57:01] and then we can vote
[57:03] give some opinions
[57:06] she's not only home yeah she she can't
[57:08] yet she's
[57:18] i don't think it's going to detract from
[57:20] the value of the joining properties
[57:21] because they already use it right
[57:23] they're already out there doing stuff
[57:25] and it's just an addition to and it's an
[57:28] and or type thing
[57:30] so they're just adding
[57:32] i don't see hand i just
[57:34] see i mean if our criteria is that it
[57:36] meets all these
[57:38] all four of these
[57:39] yeah speaking to the mic so we can
[57:41] capture it okay
[57:45] i didn't know it was on
[57:50] okay
[57:52] all right you're recognized down there
[57:55] so just getting back to letter c
[57:57] and and from my understand we've got to
[58:01] based on abcd that
[58:04] it meets all these requirements and i
[58:05] don't see how we can determine whether
[58:08] it's going to maintain or enhance the
[58:10] value
[58:11] and i don't see how we could say it's a
[58:13] public necessity
[58:15] i mean
[58:16] i don't know there's other daycares out
[58:18] there there is a lot of residential area
[58:20] and i'm sure there's parents out there
[58:22] that would appreciate a daycare for
[58:24] their younger children so
[58:27] i'm just stuck on that but other than
[58:28] that i think we
[58:30] i would be good with everything okay
[58:34] next um i'm inclined to go ahead and
[58:36] permit it okay
[58:39] um as far as the enhancement goes my
[58:41] opinion is that you know the building's
[58:43] already there
[58:44] um so it's it's already either enhanced
[58:47] or it's not and i think that it is
[58:49] it's a huge building it's a nice
[58:50] building
[58:51] um you know they do a lot they they
[58:54] really do a lot for their children i
[58:55] think this is just my opinion i'm not
[58:57] trying to influence anybody um
[59:00] but
[59:00] it i i think that it does enhance
[59:07] um did y'all have a question
[59:11] no but that's just my opinion on that
[59:13] part of it
[59:14] and he already discussed the public new
[59:16] necessity thing
[59:18] with that
[59:19] i just kind of feel that it does
[59:21] the only thing that that i see is an issue is the number of
[59:25] children that are going to be there
[59:28] but they can always work around that i
[59:30] think and like i said if there are
[59:32] issues with noise or issues with traffic
[59:35] they may be able to
[59:37] adjust their hours so that it's not
[59:39] during the peak traffic time people
[59:41] coming in and out to work and
[59:44] if there are noise issues then
[59:47] um
[59:48] if if someone complains about it they
[59:50] could they can always address that issue
[59:52] that's just my opinion so
[59:54] and they definitely have plenty of
[59:56] parking yeah they do i saw that that's a
[59:59] lot of parking out there but like i said
[1:00:01] if that's why i was asking about how
[1:00:03] many children so i'd have an idea of how
[1:00:05] many people would be there to pick up
[1:00:07] and drop off and like mr mclaughlin said
[1:00:09] it's not safe to drop kids off on black
[1:00:12] bench road you got to pull in there and
[1:00:14] get your kids and stuff so so i don't
[1:00:16] see how that would actually block
[1:00:17] traffic in that area um again my opinion
[1:00:21] only so
[1:00:23] once again we don't have any information
[1:00:25] in the record on traffic
[1:00:40] the applicant provide that
[1:00:43] or someone provide that
[1:00:47] but i don't think we can
[1:00:49] say one way or the other without
[1:00:55] the expertise that d.o.t
[1:00:57] has allowed it that's enough for me i
[1:00:59] don't need an expert opinion i don't
[1:01:01] either and most from what i've seen just
[1:01:03] my experience in town most of your
[1:01:05] traffic is when you get into town
[1:01:07] um
[1:01:08] up there around the fire department area
[1:01:10] where they're going to put the round
[1:01:11] butt in and that's kind of my experience
[1:01:13] where it's always a little bottleneck
[1:01:14] there but other than that it's kind of
[1:01:16] smooth sailing out out through that area
[1:01:18] i've been out in the wild but um
[1:01:21] that's just what i've observed out in
[1:01:22] that area
[1:01:25] so if there are no more questions um do
[1:01:27] i have a motion to approve
[1:01:29] um let me let me stop miss hamilton dan
[1:01:32] do you need them to go through each
[1:01:33] criterion or can they approve all four
[1:01:36] as a slave do you need to go through
[1:01:38] speaking into the record if you approve
[1:01:40] all four i think you can do it in one go
[1:01:42] if you're going to deny one of them
[1:01:47] but they would need to read all four
[1:01:49] india the language
[1:01:52] yeah well you need to find that all for
[1:01:54] example that's what i'm getting at so i
[1:01:56] don't think you can and then correct for
[1:01:58] i don't think it's it's so simple as
[1:02:00] saying let's get a motion to approve
[1:02:02] you would have to state
[1:02:04] that i recommend an approval that
[1:02:07] it uh
[1:02:09] what you're saying so we would have to
[1:02:10] read it
[1:02:11] yeah yeah okay so in the motion you
[1:02:14] would just have to say you feel that it
[1:02:16] beats this and you feel that the second
[1:02:18] one that you feel
[1:02:19] can i can i do it um
[1:02:22] okay i'd like to make the motion uh for
[1:02:24] case number p22-01-hm
[1:02:29] to grant the special use permit
[1:02:33] the first one is useful not materially
[1:02:35] endangered public health or safety
[1:02:38] use use meets all required conditions
[1:02:40] and specifications useful maintain or
[1:02:42] enhance the value of adjoining or
[1:02:44] abutting properties or that the use is a
[1:02:46] public necessity location and character
[1:02:49] of use will be in harmony with the area
[1:02:51] where it is located and is in general
[1:02:53] conformity with the town's adopted land
[1:02:55] use plan
[1:02:56] um
[1:02:57] is that your motion
[1:02:59] right that's my motion
[1:03:11] all in favor raise your right
[1:03:14] hand all opposed
[1:03:19] approval is granted all right
[1:03:24] i just forgot the vote part geez
[1:03:28] the important part
[1:03:30] oh
[1:03:31] that will conclude a meeting dan um okay
[1:03:34] i'll make a motion to adjourn the public
[1:03:35] hearing
[1:03:37] are you done yeah i've done it okay um
[1:03:40] dan i'll uh give you a cough on anything
[1:03:42] but that'll conclude