[0:36] Okay, good evening everyone. I'd like to
call to order the Code Ordinance
[0:40] Enforcement Board
uh for this evening for August 25th,
[0:45] 2026.
At this time, we'd like to ask our clerk
[0:49] to call the role, please.
>> Rodney Davis,
[0:52] » here.
>> James Bruce,
[0:53] » here.
>> Kelvin Grubs,
[0:55] » here.
>> Crystal Kirkman. David Howen
[1:00] Brooks
>> here.
[1:01] » Connie McGee
>> here.
[1:03] » Mark Graham
>> here.
[1:06] » Okay, we have a quorum at this time.
Everyone, please stand with me as we say
[1:10] the pledge of
>> allegiance
[1:16] to the flag of the United States of
America
[1:21] for it stand.
[1:33] » Okay, thank you.
[1:37] Okay, next on our agenda is approval of
minutes. Our last meeting took place on
[1:41] August 11th, 2026. Board members
received a copy of those minutes in the
[1:45] mail. And at this time, we'll entertain
a motion to approve those minutes.
[1:51] » I make like to make a motion to approve
the minutes from previous meeting.
[1:58] » Okay, it's been moved and properly
second. Any questions on the motion? All
[2:02] in favor let be known by Sen. I
>> I
[2:04] » opposed. Eyes have it. Uh any reports
from fire department staff? None. Okay.
[2:12] All right. So on our agenda this
evening, we have one public hearing. Um
[2:20] case number CE BPM-26-08-00009.
[2:26] Um,
as always, we're going to
[2:31] uh go over procedures we're going to
follow for the hearing tonight. So, if
[2:35] you bear with me as I
go over these procedures.
[2:40] Okay. Once again, good evening, uh,
ladies and gentlemen. My name is Rodney
[2:44] Davis. I am the chairman of the City of
Hopkinsville Code Ordinance Enforcement
[2:48] Board. The purpose of this board is to
protect, promote, and improve the
[2:53] health, safety, and welfare of the
citizens residing within the city of
[2:57] Hopkinsville. If a board member
perceives a potential conflict with
[3:01] hearing a case, he or she shall recuse
themselves from the case, and will not
[3:06] discuss their disposition.
When your name is called, please come
[3:10] forward, speak loudly and clearly
because we are required to record all
[3:15] proceedings from these hearings. You are
here tonight because you received the
[3:20] citation and chose to appear before the
board instead of paying the fine imposed
[3:25] on the citation.
You have the right to confront and
[3:28] cross-examine any witnesses that might
appear here against you. You have the
[3:34] right to call your own witnesses to
testify on your behalf and to introduce
[3:39] any physical evidence you feel pertinent
to this case. You have the right to have
[3:43] an attorney. If you have if you wish to
hire one to represent you, let me know
[3:49] and I will request the board postpone
your case to enable you to do so.
[3:56] I have the right as chairman of the
board to limit the amount of testimony
[4:00] which is presented. That shall be done
when I determine that certain testimony
[4:05] is irrelevant or is repetitive.
This is not the same as a court of law
[4:11] and legal rules of evidence do not have
to be followed. This is similar to an
[4:17] administrative hearing and the
requirements for the introduction of
[4:20] evidence are not as stringent as in a
court of law but they are nonetheless
[4:26] just as important to ensure a just
decision. You shall be afforded all
[4:32] rights which are of fundamental
importance to comply with due process
[4:37] standards of fairness and justice.
The burden of establishing a violation
[4:42] occurred rest with the city. If the city
cannot prove a violation took place, no
[4:49] fine or remedial measures may be
imposed.
[4:54] After all the evidence and testimony
have been introduced and the hearing has
[4:59] been closed, the board will make a
decision. The board will decide whether
[5:04] or not a violation of a local ordinance
has been committed. If the board
[5:10] determines no violation was committed,
then this board will enter an order
[5:14] dismissing the citation. If the board
determines that a violation did take
[5:19] place, the board will enter an order
upholding the citation and will order
[5:24] you to pay a fine in an amount up to the
maximum authorized by ordinance and may
[5:31] order you to remedy the violation within
a specified period of time. In cases
[5:36] involving unsafe structures, the board,
as part of its decision and written
[5:41] order, may additionally make a provision
for the offender to cure the violation
[5:47] within a period of time not to exceed 90
days pursuant to HCO 33.18F.
[5:56] Except in cases of default,
um in ca except of cases of default, any
[6:04] final order issued by the board may be
appealed to the Christian District
[6:08] Court. The appeal must be filed no later
than 30 days from the date issues its
[6:14] final order. The case in front of the
Christian District Court will be limited
[6:18] to a review of the record created before
this board.
[6:23] If there are any questions at this time,
please feel free to ask.
[6:29] Okay, no questions. Okay, so
we're going to have our first case. Uh,
[6:36] Mr. Mark Dearmman is the code officer
and Justin E. Combmes is present. Okay.
[6:44] Yes. Okay. Mr. Dearmman, can you come
come forward?
[6:50] And Mr. Combmes, can you stand up? I'm
going to swear you both in at this time.
[6:55] Would you please raise your right hand?
Do you swear to tell the truth, the
[6:58] whole truth, and none but the truth? If
so, say I do.
[7:02] » Okay, sir. You can have a seat right
now. Okay, Mr. Arman.
[7:07] Uh, can you please state your full name,
employer, and position for the record?
[7:13] » Mark the Arman, code enforcement officer
with the Hop Fire Department.
[7:17] » Okay. Mr. Army, can you tell us about
this case that's on our agenda tonight?
[7:22] » Yes, sir. 413 Caramel Drive was called
into us on August the 10th by a passerby
[7:30] neighbor that said there was a grass was
overgrown and that there was some damage
[7:35] to the roof. So, an inspection was
conducted on the same day
[7:41] and found uh the house you just saw.
Here's a Google Street map. One on the
[7:47] right was taken in March of 2026.
This property has really nice tall big
[7:52] shade trees. So seeing the the rear view
is pretty limited. If you look at the
[7:58] shot on the left, it's an aerial view
taken in April of 2026. And you see the
[8:03] back of the house is is pretty much not
visible from the air. And you see the
[8:08] yard because of the height of the size
of the tree. So looking at the back of
[8:12] the roof was was a bit difficult.
[8:16] 413 Caramel was owned by Justin Combmes.
Mr. Combmes was residing there at the
[8:21] time of the inspection, but was not home
during that time.
[8:26] So, the inspection occurred on the 10th.
The conditions we saw and went back and
[8:31] had a had a discussion with
with the fire leadership. We there was
[8:36] some significant risk and exposures to
life safety with Mr. Col in there. Uh it
[8:42] was decided then because of the
conditions that he'd go straight to a
[8:45] citation and that the fire marshall
issued and posted his KRS notice for an
[8:51] unsafe structure and it was posted on
the next day August the 11th.
[8:56] Mr. Combmes and I had uh two
conversations, one in person on August
[9:00] the 14th, 17th, and 18th. He had a
document that he wanted to bring to us
[9:05] and I think it's been placed before you
all already. And then I gave him uh
[9:10] because his wishes were to try to repair
the house. He's already been working
[9:13] towards that goal. And so I gave him the
list of the of the requirements that the
[9:17] ordinance will allow the the timeline
and so forth and so on and that he would
[9:23] have to give him a head start working
towards that.
[9:27] The conditions were such that when I was
putting the presentation together, some
[9:30] of the photos didn't come out very well.
And I went back in on the 20th for
[9:34] additional photos. and we're here again
tonight for the presentation.
[9:38] This is Mr. Holmes's document that he
brought by to us.
[9:43] I think it's in front of you all. This
is the document I left with him that
[9:49] explains the uh what the what the board
can do, the timeline and the
[9:54] requirements in order to save it and and
the schedule by which it needs to be
[9:58] saved. This is a document that we use
with a lot of folks. we find out that
[10:01] they want to save their home so they
have a guideline to go by.
[10:06] This is a copy of the one on the left is
a copy of the uh KRS notice from the
[10:10] fire marshall of an unsafe structure.
The one on the right is a citation from
[10:15] code's office regarding unsafe structure
at this location. Both posted on August
[10:21] the 11th.
[10:26] And here they are posted on the on the
front door.
[10:29] There's a copy that ran in the paper.
The notice was mailed, certified mail.
[10:33] The the receipt of that is not available
to to be included in this presentation
[10:38] tonight.
[10:41] All the utilities in this house were
active at the time. Water, electricity,
[10:45] and gas.
When I called to determine if the if
[10:50] these utilities were on
uh in the case of the gas, the
[10:56] representative that on the phone asked
why why my concerns and when I described
[11:00] it to them, they they they completed a a
service ticket and the gas
[11:05] representative went out and saw the
condition of the home and dis
[11:08] disconnected the gas the following day.
Likewise with electricity, when ATS was
[11:13] contacted and saw the conditions, they
also disconnected the power.
[11:20] As always, we follow chapter 163 for the
checklist as found in section 108,
[11:25] appendix one.
[11:30] The foundation I could not find because
it's brick veneer all the way to the
[11:34] ground. So, we'll start with the
exterior walls. This is the back of the
[11:38] house. See where the brick is? The brick
veneer has fallen off there in the
[11:42] center. And you see where it's
separating by the window.
[11:47] This is the right rear corner of the
house. The circle, let's start on the
[11:52] photo on the right. The circle
illustrates separation and cracks in the
[11:56] brick uh that that's probably pulled by
and connected to the separation on the
[12:02] back wall. The arrow at the bottom of
the photo on the right is representing
[12:07] uh mortar line cracks. And the photo on
the left is the same mortal line crack
[12:11] that goes all the way down to the vent
uh crawl space vent.
[12:20] The ramp the walkway to the front front
porch was very spongy, very soft with uh
[12:26] some structural issues. And this ramp on
the left leads to the front door. The
[12:31] ramp and access to on the right photo is
to the back porch.
[12:38] the roof. You see you see the the damage
there. Again, you see the tree in the
[12:42] backyard that prohibited any photo in
the back to see the conditions.
[12:49] This is inside and the red arrow is
illustrating the the bottom arrow point
[12:55] of that arrow is sitting on the top of
the ceiling joist. The top of that arrow
[13:01] is the bottom of the roof rafters. The
roof has collapsed to that extent inside
[13:07] the back portion of this house.
This is on the back porch looking at the
[13:12] roof through the double doors. This is
inside the house looking at the same
[13:17] direction but from inside out through
those double doors.
[13:22] The two buys you see that are dangling
or falling are the ceiling joists where
[13:27] the roof rafters are still sitting on
the top plate of the back wall.
[13:37] The front door was closed and I knocked
on the door and um nobody came. As I
[13:44] knocked, I saw the door was moving. I
checked the door knob and door handle
[13:48] and it was not locked. When I opened it,
it opened a portion of the way because
[13:51] the floor is buckled and that's where
the far as the door would go. As I got
[13:54] in, the front door is is held in place
with a top hinge. top hinge only and the
[14:00] bolt to the door knob on the other side.
[14:06] In addition to the brick wall that's
fallen, there's a headboard like a twin
[14:09] bed. There's a counter counter and
cabinet over in the back corner and
[14:13] ladder and some other things that's on
the back porch. And the back porch you
[14:17] see you can see of the wood you can see
that it it has weathered to some degree.
[14:26] photo on the left, the arrow is pointing
to a separation of the back wall
[14:30] separating that pulled away from the
inside wall that that uh that normally
[14:35] would would have connected it. This is
to the left side of those double doors.
[14:41] The right side of the double doors is
there photo on the right and you see a
[14:44] separation not as great but that this
whole back wall is now separating
[14:49] pulling away from the structure.
[14:53] The hole on the left is in the inside
the front door in the living room.
[15:03] And you see the bit of a ceiling damage
on the photo on the right. That's a
[15:08] front, call it a bedroom, the front room
on the left side of the of the entry
[15:13] that has some some minor damage to the
drywall in the back. But you also see
[15:17] some water stains supposedly from the
damaged roof that gone to the front of
[15:21] the house.
[15:25] All the photo on the right and you see
some on the left, but go to the right
[15:29] first. That's insulation that fell has
fallen from the ceiling and the and the
[15:35] roof section and it is like walking on a
sponge with the water soap from the
[15:39] rain. Mr. Home says that the this damage
was occurred and he'll speak to this but
[15:45] he I was curious about what happened and
he said it from the ice storm in
[15:48] February and then the result of rains or
whatever is what caused the damage to
[15:52] the home. He could speak to that uh more
detail when in his presentation.
[15:58] The photo on the left
that wall where those double doors are
[16:04] pushed in are jammed that that's like a
a converted garage.
[16:10] and uh uh did not able was not able to
get into that that room.
[16:18] The photo on the left again is the front
door. You see there's a a buckle in the
[16:22] wood wood floor that stopped the door
and there's two holes there. The circle
[16:27] on the right is a walkway from the from
the front room to a hallway and the
[16:31] floor is significantly buckled there,
though the the carpeting does not show
[16:37] it.
[16:41] photo on the left is a back wall on the
left side. That's a ceiling that has
[16:45] come down and the blue wall in the back
is the exterior wall.
[16:50] Photo on the right is taken from the
kitchen but looking back away from the
[16:53] exterior wall back towards the front of
the house.
[17:01] Additional damage to the seal to the
walls on the left and again uh more
[17:06] insulation. The room on the right is is
on the back right side. This is a
[17:12] hospital bed u that's been there that's
been there for some time. Again,
[17:16] insulation uh and roof and ceiling
damage inside that room as well.
[17:25] See the exposed electrical wires. The
one of concern is the uh the one on the
[17:31] right. That's that ceiling can light can
is is was it the the house was
[17:37] energized?
That wire and those cans are are
[17:41] hanging. The error on the right is is a
double doors where the hospital bed was
[17:47] that goes into the right side of the
house.
[17:50] I did not find the the breaker box.
Suspecting it's in that room or the back
[17:54] side of it because of where the the the
electric meter was. Just could not get
[17:59] in there to see it to see what kind of
condition The breaker box was in.
[18:07] Kitchen sink is there in the bottom of
of this photo. The bathroom water was
[18:13] still on.
[18:17] Again, not counting the foundation. The
brick veneer went to the ground and
[18:21] could not see any damage for what part
of the house we could see. Exterior
[18:26] walls were in violation as a porch,
the roof,
[18:32] doors, trash on the on the back porch.
There was there was no The windows did
[18:37] not see any windows that were broken.
Did not try to get to them and try to
[18:41] see if they worked, but I didn't see
that they were broken. There were the
[18:44] handrails, albeit being weathered. They
were still intact
[18:51] inside. Five out of the eight applicable
items were in violation or 63%.
[18:57] Interior structure was accessible. The
walls were in were damaged in bad shape.
[19:02] Floors, electrical, ceilings, single
story.
[19:09] At the time of the inspection, at the
time of this filling out this checklist,
[19:14] the electric the structure had electric
meter and it was energized. So in red I
[19:20] call date of inspection
[19:25] to be consistent with the inspection
that the power was pulled on the 11th.
[19:29] So that's reason for the blue and yes
likewise with gas
[19:34] the water is still on. No no no
information been given that the water
[19:37] has been disconnected. So the water is
still on.
[19:42] Not counting the electrical and the gas.
Five out of nine or 55% were in
[19:46] violation. If we consider the electrical
meter and the gas meters uh disconnected
[19:51] the day after, then that makes it seven
out of nine or 78% violation.
[20:00] There is a small metal storage building
in the back uh that has some damage and
[20:05] and and uh not in great shape.
Uh the property is is concerned in the
[20:13] neighbors and there is some significant
life safety concerns at this house
[20:20] inside
10 out of 17 without the electric and
[20:24] gas [clears throat] 12 out of 17
counting the electric and gas 59% or
[20:29] 71%. Either way is in excess of 51% in
violation.
[20:35] There are no previous cases. Uh leans
only are $3,500.
[20:42] As of this morning, things are saved. I
put the second photo in one of our in
[20:48] two of the conversations with Mr.
Combmes. This van in the driveway had
[20:52] been there for several years with with
expired license. And I encouraged him to
[20:59] find a way to get it moved before we put
a citation on it so we would so the city
[21:04] would not pull it. So I encouraging him
to at least be able to save that vehicle
[21:08] in whatever way he can.
[21:13] [clears throat]
[21:18] » Yes, ma'am.
[21:25] » The the initial visit was was August the
10th.
[21:29] Conversation with utilities was on the
10th. They showed up on the 11th,
[21:33] disconnected the power. My only other
visit there inside was on the 20th. I
[21:38] was to take photos of it, but the power
the power and the gas had been
[21:41] disconnected. They were disconnected on
the 11th.
[21:49] There is an extension cord on the door,
but but the power the meter was removed
[21:54] as well as cut the wires cut at the
weather.
[22:09] » [clears throat]
[22:11] » Okay. I don't have any other question.
Any other board members have questions
[22:14] for Mr. Dearm?
Okay. Thank you, sir.
[22:21] Okay. Mr. Combmes, can you come up to
the podium, please?
[22:29] » [clears throat]
>> Okay. You've already been sworn in, but
[22:32] for the record, can you please state
your full name and address for the
[22:35] record?
>> Yes, sir. Justin Edward Combmes. Address
[22:38] 413 Caramel Drive, Hopkinsville,
Kentucky.
[22:41] » Okay. Mr. Combmes, can you uh tell us
about your property here?
[22:46] » Yes, sir. For the past several months,
uh the condition has deteriorated. I'm
[22:50] not blind to that. Um however, that is
my only space of living. I've been
[22:55] working to line up contractors. I've had
refused to work all together either out
[23:00] of scope or out of
availability. I've had to give me vague
[23:07] verbal estimates and not return a
written estimate so I can't proceed with
[23:11] getting financing to proceed further
uh to initiate repairs. Um over the past
[23:19] several months I've been trying to get
those contractors lined up to keep the
[23:23] condition from deteriorating which
obviously it has. Um and I've just
[23:27] basically making the best of it to try
to keep the property maintained as best
[23:31] I could.
[23:34] » Okay. Sir, um are you still residing
there?
[23:40] » Uh currently, no, sir.
>> No. Okay. Okay. I didn't think you were,
[23:43] but um
so you're trying to reach contractors to
[23:49] um fix the the damage that that we've
seen that's been deteriorating over the
[23:55] last uh few months. And you say that the
contractors hadn't responded or
[24:01] » I've either gotten vague verbal
estimates, not written signed estimates,
[24:04] so I could take it to get financing for
that. I can't approach getting a loan
[24:09] with a quote verbal estimate or I've had
just to just not respond or have just
[24:15] refused to do work either out of scope
or out of out of availability.
[24:22] » Okay.
And so uh what is your desire for this
[24:28] property? Are you um
are you you wanting to rehab this
[24:34] property to remain living there or
>> Yes sir. Ideally that has been the home
[24:39] for all 42 years of my life. That is my
childhood home. That's where I took care
[24:42] of my sick parents. Uh hence the
hospital bed. Um I just not have a
[24:48] chance to resell it. Um, ideally that
would be the case.
[24:57] » Okay. And um, in order to rehab this
place, you're going to have to obtain
[25:03] financing to get a lot of this done,
right?
[25:07] » Yes, sir.
>> [clears throat]
[25:10] » Well, sir, you know, from seeing the
condition of the house, um
[25:18] uh you understand that for this board,
we're limited in the amount of time we
[25:23] could give you to
uh to rehab this property.
[25:30] So, do you you think that you would be
able to accomplish that?
[25:34] » U if given the 90-day timeline, I would
do my absolute to obtain financing and
[25:39] contractors to do so. If not, I have an
option B to sell the property as is.
[25:45] » If not, say it again.
>> I'm sorry. Uh, an option B would to sell
[25:49] the property as is.
>> Okay.
[25:55] » Well, you know, you know, the property
can't be sold in that in that condition.
[25:59] I don't know if you're aware of that.
If if the property is unsafe for you,
[26:06] the the city is not going to give you
permission to sell it to someone else
[26:10] where it's in in that condition
>> unless to a flipper or to real estate
[26:16] that's willing to invest in it
to repair it.
[26:21] » Well, I I don't know. Maybe our city
attorney can speak to that, but maybe um
[26:26] you know, you could get a a special
waiver in order to allow be to sell the
[26:30] property, but
but that might be
[26:34] a challenge, you know.
Um Okay. Anything else you want to share
[26:39] with us about this this property? Um can
can I You say you've been living there
[26:43] your entire life?
>> Yes, sir.
[26:45] » Okay. But you you're staying with family
or friends for now?
[26:49] » I have housing lined up at the moment.
Yes, sir. Okay. All right.
[26:54] Any other questions from board members?
Mr. Conser,
[27:02] does he have the ability to sell that
house to somebody who can fix it up?
[27:05] » Yeah, let me expand on that. There's an
ordinance that provides that it if a
[27:11] structure is deemed unsafe or if there's
pending code violations, the owner is
[27:15] not allowed to sell. However, um in the
event the code enforcement officer and
[27:21] the agrees with the potential buyer that
they will bring it up to code
[27:28] uh in the same manner that you could,
then it's possible that that could
[27:33] happen, but time is still working
against you because you're going to be
[27:37] bound to that same 90 days max.
>> Yes, sir. Understood.
[27:45] » Okay. Anything else you want to share
with us, sir?
[27:48] » Um, if lining up contracting does work
out, um, how would utilities work?
[27:54] Obviously, they would need electricity
to
[27:57] do the job. Would they have to provide
theirs or can temporary be hooked and
[28:00] unhooked or
>> Yeah, that I don't know. Maybe the code
[28:05] officers can can inform you on that. I
don't know, Mr. arm if you want to uh
[28:10] address that right now, but uh I don't
know what our contractor would need and
[28:16] and you'd have to work out something
with the electric company, I'm sure,
[28:19] too.
>> Any construction site will have
[28:22] temporary power. It will not be to the
house. It'll be to a temporary pole or
[28:26] standing in the yard for the contractor
to have electricity, but it will not go
[28:30] to the house.
>> Okay.
[28:36] » Okay. Uh anything else, sir?
Um, I'm just asking for enough time to,
[28:42] you know, get a legitimate estimate
written or otherwise to save my house. I
[28:47] mean, that's where I grew up.
[28:54] » Okay.
All right, sir. Thank you.
[28:56] » Thank you. [clears throat]
[29:01] » Okay. Okay, we're going to close the
hearing on this uh case so the board can
[29:06] deliberate in open session. Um
so what we have before us in this case,
[29:12] we have a um two things we have to
accomplish here. First of all, we need
[29:18] uh to determine whether or not a
violation exist uh for this property um
[29:26] by a motion and a and a vote. um
where the violation exists and then if a
[29:33] violation exists we would discuss the
the penalty and maybe allowance of time
[29:40] uh that type of thing. So first of all
the floor is open for um discussion
[29:45] deliberation uh or entertain a vote.
>> Mr. Chairman I move that the city has
[29:51] met their obligation and showed that
this is an unsafe structure. So I move
[29:55] that there is a violation second. Okay,
it's been moved and properly second. Any
[30:01] questions on the motion?
All those in favor let me know by sign
[30:05] of I
>> opposed the eyes have it. Okay, now we
[30:09] need to discuss the um the penalty
[snorts] uh for this case
[30:16] by motion and second. Um you've heard
the testimony of the Mr. combs what he's
[30:23] requesting and the you know the
situation of the home but so what's your
[30:29] pleasure any discussion or
>> what's the penalty
[30:33] » oh
>> are 350 minimum 700 maximum plus $200
[30:38] administrative fee
[30:43] » Mr. Mr. Chairman, I move that we um go
ahead and assess the minimum fine of
[30:48] $350, $200 administrative fee that we
give the owner the the the 90 days,
[30:56] that's 45 days within a plan and 45 days
more to get it up to code on that
[31:02] allowed to us by ordinance. and that if
that hasn't occurred within that 90-day
[31:08] period that the house and the out the
out building
[31:13] be demolished.
>> Okay. Okay. It's been moved and properly
[31:18] second. Any questions on that motion?
[31:24] Okay. All in favor let me know by the
sign of I
[31:27] » oppose.
Eyes have it.
[31:31] Okay. Mr. uh combs, we we're giving you
the 90 days in which to u see what you
[31:37] can get done. I I would encourage you to
work very closely with the code officers
[31:43] and um understand the requirements that
they have set before you
[31:49] to um to get the house up to code. If if
not within those at those 90 days, the
[31:55] city will take action
um to remedy the violation.
[32:06] Okay. All right. Um, next on our agenda
is unfinished business. B business other
[32:12] than hearings. There's none. New
business other than hearings. There's
[32:16] none. Any announcements from uh board
members or staff?
[32:23] Okay. Uh, I just want to say say this. I
know there's been a lot of uh discussion
[32:30] and a lot of things you may have seen in
the news regarding um the addicts
[32:36] property that we was on our agenda last
week. Um
[32:42] there's been a lot of questions from
from people. Uh I have been referring
[32:47] people to the um code officers uh or the
city YouTube page to to watch the watch
[32:57] the case, watch the video and see the
the evidence that has been presented and
[33:01] the testimony that's been presented. I
don't know what you may have anyone has
[33:05] ever uh question you or approach you,
but I I would say um uh keep keep that
[33:12] to what we've discussed in the case. You
know, we can't try retry this out in in
[33:18] the public. And I don't know if the city
attorney got any other advice that we
[33:23] might need to consider. Well, my advice
would be um to refrain from any
[33:29] discussion with anybody because you're
just like a jury that just tried a case.
[33:34] So, uh until this is resolved one way or
the other, it's my recommendation that
[33:40] you just defer any questions, be glad to
send them to my office and I'll uh do my
[33:44] best to answer any any questions.
>> Okay.
[33:49] All right then. Okay. Well, if there's
nothing further, we will stand
[33:52] adjourned. Thank you everyone.