[0:36] to see everyone tonight.
We're good to go. Okay. Welcome, uh,
[0:41] Horn County Council. I'm going to call
this meeting to order at 6:01 p.m. And
[0:46] I'll call upon Deputy Mayor Perah for
the indigenous land acknowledgement,
[0:50] please.
>> Thank you, Mayor. The council of the
[0:52] corporation of the township of harm pit
[clears throat] would like to begin by
[0:56] respectfully acknowledging that the land
we gather here today is the treaty 9
[1:02] 1905 from 1906 territory, the
traditional lands of indigenous peoples.
[1:08] As we work towards reconciliation,
may we all live with respect on this
[1:13] land and live in peace and friendship
with all its diverse peoples.
[1:17] » Thank you.
review and note any changes the agenda.
[1:21] There is one addition uh 12.2 the
council discussion for bell fiber. Uh
[1:27] this just came up because we had a
meeting this week and uh we only have
[1:30] one meeting for next month. So if I can
get a mover and a seconder to approve
[1:35] the agenda. Moved by councelor John
Perov, second by councelor Peter
[1:38] Kissmaker. Be it resolved that council
does hereby approve the agenda as
[1:42] presented. Those in favor and that is
carried. Declaration of peciniary
[1:46] interest, declaration of conflict of
interest. Council, you can do that at
[1:49] any time if such uh situation arises. I
don't have any par paperwork right now.
[1:55] And we have the Hornpian Housing
Corporation's annual general meeting
[1:59] tonight, which is pretty exciting.
And um if I can get a seconder to uh and
[2:05] a motion and a second, a mover and a
seconder, please, to open the meeting.
[2:10] Moved by councelor Belinda Kissmaker,
second by councelor Peter Kissermaker.
[2:13] Be it resolved that council does hereby
enter into the annual general meeting of
[2:17] the Hornpane Housing Corporation at 6:03
p.m. Those in favor? And that is
[2:23] carried.
And um I'm going to call it to order
[2:28] first
if I can get a mover and a seconder,
[2:32] please. Move by John Councelor John
Caroff. Second by councelor Dylinder. Be
[2:37] it resolved that the the 2026th annual
general meeting of the Hornpane Housing
[2:41] Corporation is hereby called to order at
6:03 p.m. And be it further resolved
[2:45] that the council of the of the township
of Horn does now sit as the sole
[2:50] shareholder of HHC for the purposes of
conducting business of the annual
[2:54] general meeting in accordance with
corporations bylaws and the Ontario
[2:58] Business Corporations Act. Those in
favor and that is carried.
[3:05] Okay. Next item on the agenda is the
approval of the minutes from August 13,
[3:09] 2025. If I can get a mover and a
seconder, please. Moved by councelor
[3:13] John Perov. Second by councelor Peter
Ktomaker. Be it further resolved that
[3:17] the council of the the council of the
township of pain does now sit as the
[3:22] sole shareholder of the HHC for the
purposes of conducting business of the
[3:26] annual general meeting in accordance
with the corporation's bylaws and the
[3:30] Ontario business and the Ontario
business corporations act. Sorry, I read
[3:34] the wrong one and no one stopped me in
all of that. [laughter]
[3:39] » I did. Um, and why I did that was I had
a question. Can John need it if um he
[3:44] was not here at that meeting?
>> If he's not on the minutes.
[3:49] » Yeah.
>> Uh, no.
[3:52] » No. Okay. So, if I can get a second, uh,
Peter, [laughter] if we can change that
[3:56] up for Peter Hmaker to be the And now
I'll read the correct [clears throat]
[4:01] motion. Be it resolved that council
sitting as the sole shareholder of the
[4:04] Hornpane Housing Corporation hereby
approve the minutes of the annual
[4:08] general meeting held on August 13, 2025
as presented. Any uh question on those
[4:13] minutes or changes?
There being none, I put that to a vote.
[4:18] Those in favor and that is carried.
Okay.
[4:23] Well, it's exciting to uh be here
tonight for the annual general meeting
[4:27] and I welcome Katherine Lewis, the
executive director, back to council
[4:30] table and um I'm glad to see the
movement that has been done at Hornpane
[4:36] Housing Corporation since 2021. It's
been a lot of work and uh we're
[4:41] currently in the revamp and Katherine's
leading the project for the
[4:46] revitalization of the Queen Street
property and hopefully we'll see that up
[4:50] for sale in the near future. and um and
have that accomplishment under our belt.
[4:56] And I do have to give a big shout out to
our board. So we do have uh councelor
[5:00] Blindic Kissmaker that sits on the board
currently from council along with me and
[5:06] um and we have three other community
members that sit on our board and we
[5:09] usually have full quorum and I know that
um our vice chair Greg Drew has stepped
[5:15] up for me when I'm not there to chair
and it's uh growing capacity in that way
[5:20] as well. And I have to um
speak to the growth that I've seen in
[5:27] tenants tenant management under uh
Katherine's direction. There's been new
[5:33] policies uh better living conditions for
our current tenants in Parkview
[5:38] Apartments and uh it's it's exciting.
It's exciting to see the ch when you
[5:43] think back to 2021 when we took over and
not knowing how to run an apartment
[5:48] building, getting the correct staff in
place, negotiating good contracts and
[5:53] seeing that move forward to today. So, I
want to welcome everyone to the annual
[5:58] general meeting and I'll hand it over to
Katherine Lewis.
[6:02] » Hi. Um, I think um
I need to be let into the meeting. Did
[6:09] you try exiting and rejoining them?
>> Yeah,
[6:13] » because I have it so that you can do it.
I
[6:16] » um and I don't see Mitch either.
And he
[6:24] it says um someone will let you in.
I can't join it from my computer because
[6:30] the Wi-Fi is not working.
Um the Wi-Fi is working
[6:38] to But it's not working on my computer.
>> Well, I mean, yeah, when I try to open
[6:41] it, it won't work.
>> Okay. So, we're having some technical
[6:45] difficulties. Is that what's going on?
>> Is there any way that we can share the
[6:50] presentation and see if Mitch is able to
join?
[6:53] » One of us
has to get in there.
[7:03] » Okay, no problem. It's not the time to
>> Sorry. That's okay.
[7:09] What is the um address of the house that
you guys are working on? Is it It's on
[7:14] Queen Street.
>> 50 Queen
[7:26] here too. Like I think that
the whoever like made the meeting has to
[7:32] » Is it Mitchovich?
>> Yeah, we need to be let in. It's not
[7:37] whoever made it because I Cindy was able
to open it earlier for me if I can. So,
[7:44] it should be anyone who's invited and
both you and Mitch were invited. So, I
[7:48] don't know why it's not. Maybe it has to
be same organization.
[7:52] » I went to both.
[8:04] » No, no worries. Let's just take our
time. Make sure we get everyone
[8:08] connected. Technology works great until
it doesn't work, right? That's
[8:12] [laughter] it. It's our best friend
until it starts. We start pulling our
[8:16] hair out because of it.
[8:20] And everyone at this council table went
through CO. We know exactly all the
[8:24] pains of [laughter]
[8:30] » I'm trying to log in on my phone so that
I can use my um data.
[8:38] I accepted that meeting today. If I log
in, can I do it?
[8:43] » Likely. But I did just log in. Let me
see if I can join the meeting from
[8:50] » Someone would have to let me in probably
too, right?
[8:56] » No, I think I'm in
something.
[9:01] Yeah, I'm done.
[9:08] » I'm also
>> I just admitted everyone
[9:15] » and I'm leaving now.
>> Thank you so much.
[9:22] » There we go. Hello, Mitch. Good to see
you here.
[9:26] » Hello, everybody.
>> I didn't realize you were online. We
[9:30] just did some housekeeping items for the
annual general meeting and um I've just
[9:35] I did some quick opening remarks just
highlighting the some of our successes
[9:40] and thanking the board who diligently
meets regularly and um and we usually
[9:44] have full quorum and uh and I just
handed it over to Katherine Lewis. So
[9:49] that's where we are in the meeting.
>> Okay, perfect. No problem.
[9:54] » Okay. Uh, thanks guys for
leading for me. I apologize for that.
[10:02] Um, I'm just going to present this full
screen.
[10:09] Okay. So, uh, thanks to everybody for
coming to the ATM. Um, the horn every
[10:15] year we are,
um, we like to take the time to come and
[10:21] speak to our shareholders so we can
report all the things that you you've
[10:26] created us to do and you can see our
progress. I'm usually here a couple
[10:31] times throughout the year too, but it's
always the the year it's always um a
[10:37] good exercise to go back and look at
everything like at what you've been able
[10:42] to accomplish in the year and look at
last year's report compared to this
[10:46] year's. So, um I this will be posted
online on the Horane Housing Court
[10:53] website.
Uh if anybody is interested in seeing
[10:57] all of the the nitty-gritty details.
Um so how it works
[11:04] uh the in 2021 as everyone knows the
township created the HHC to support
[11:11] housing operations development
preservation and the development in the
[11:16] community. So with uh council, the
council at the time, which pretty much
[11:21] is you guys, with that foresight and
with the uh insight from the housing
[11:28] needs and demand study, uh they decided
to create an arm length entity that
[11:34] would be able to move a little bit more
freely in the market um in the open
[11:39] market without
having um like the
[11:45] the corporation of municipality is
unable to own things uh in the same way
[11:51] as a Ontario corporations is. But uh
yeah, we were created with a mandate to
[11:59] uh support housing and to get housing
going in Horane and this was probably
[12:05] the best way that the the the township
could support housing.
[12:12] Um we have our own board of directors.
They met working times. Uh last year it
[12:18] was a pretty busy year uh meetings wise
because we had so many we had a couple
[12:24] working meetings and I think a special
meeting at one point. So there's a
[12:28] little bit more than the 12 that people
sign up for. So I really appreciate my
[12:32] board for that. Um they I do have a very
committed working board and they're a
[12:40] technical board. So, they were picked
because they have a lot of technical
[12:45] expertise, whether it be with housing or
in industry.
[12:49] Uh, they're all very accomplished
community members and I appreciate their
[12:54] time. I know they're very busy and
they're volunteers and that's like
[13:01] they're not being paid to do any of
this. So, the amount of commitment that
[13:05] they
they give to the HHC is is is really um
[13:11] inspiring to me and makes me want to do
a better job because I'm the only one
[13:14] there getting paid. [laughter]
Um
[13:18] so, this year we did do our strategic
plan and uh it's notable that we did
[13:23] update our values and our mission and
our vision.
[13:28] So, we did we took I did present the
strategic plan to you guys earlier this
[13:33] year, but just to um say we I just
wanted to highlight that our mission was
[13:41] tweaked and we did spend some time on
it. Uh it's kind of wordy, but we wanted
[13:47] to be sure that we weren't getting
um set into one servicing one priority.
[13:55] We didn't because as we all know in the
community affordable housing is a major
[14:00] issue but at the same time there are
people who have the money that aren't
[14:04] able to get into secure housing or to
into appropriate housing and um
[14:12] 83% of porn painters they own their
home. We don't have much of a rental
[14:16] market. So
like in order to address all of these
[14:22] issues, we we didn't want we wanted to
be sure that we were able to a remain
[14:28] self- sustaining, so make money and not
get pigeonhold into affordable housing
[14:33] and and just not having enough to to
just enough to keep the lights on. And
[14:39] at the second time we wanted to the
second thing is um we wanted to ensure
[14:46] that we were addressing just appropriate
housing housing that people feel that
[14:51] they don't that they're grown out of and
rental housing and all everything. Um
[14:59] our vision and our values. Um we we do
see ourselves
[15:06] as uh expanding and like expanding the
community's access to safe, sustainable,
[15:13] and appropriate housing. And we wanted
to make sure that we put inclusive in
[15:18] there because inclusive to me
is um and I think that the group
[15:25] conscience at the time when we were
choosing that word was to ensure that
[15:29] everybody
We we did have a fair share of people
[15:33] have to leave the community because they
weren't able to find appropriate
[15:36] housing. We want to make sure that we're
hitting all those markers, that our
[15:40] seniors are housed safely housed in a
house that they feel comfortable in and
[15:44] can afford and that our that everybody
is able to to to
[15:50] feel secure and actually plan for their
future in the community.
[15:57] Uh so um the Parkview Apartments
So, this year was significant for the
[16:03] Parkview Apartments. Again, we've had
another year of 35 units being rented.
[16:08] Uh we have like a 15-day turnover. We
have quite the waiting list, but this
[16:14] year was a little bit different that all
10 of our subsidies
[16:20] were um were were used and that there
was a major barrier with that. Um there
[16:28] was So last year uh we did pass the um
the community housing policy at the HHC
[16:36] for the Parkview Apartments
specifically, but it could also be um
[16:42] it could also be used scalable for any
future developments we do with
[16:46] affordable housing with partners like
ADSAB. Um this uh
[16:53] there was some barriers with like people
there was
[16:58] uh like there's requirements that you
need to report for to keep your subsidy
[17:02] and a lot of things like having your
taxes done is one of them and that was a
[17:07] major barrier because um we don't have
anybody that does taxes in the community
[17:13] like that advertises to do them. And if
you go to H&R and you're behind from say
[17:19] COVID, that's $500. It's $100 per almost
$100 per uh return. So, we were able to
[17:28] set ourselves up with uh this the
Sudbury community um
[17:33] uh service center and they were we were
we found out that we are in their
[17:40] service area. Everyone thought it's the
same thing again.
[17:44] uh they thought that Al was following
us, they thought that Hurst was
[17:48] following us, they thought Thunder Bay
was following us. So, we just kind of
[17:51] fell through the cracks. [clears throat]
So, this these guys will come to the
[17:56] community when um uh Service Canada
comes to the community and if there's
[18:03] anything that you need help with, if
there if you need help budgeting,
[18:07] knowing if you're u any kind of
financial literacy things, they'll help
[18:10] you get your ID. They'll help seniors
make that they're getting all of the
[18:15] money that they should be and yeah,
they're great. So, this partnership was
[18:21] really excellent. I I think I've had
about
[18:26] four or five like sub uh subsidies get
approved as a direct result of their
[18:32] assistance because [clears throat]
like honestly the HHC didn't want to be
[18:38] working outside their mandate and right
doing people's taxes like you could but
[18:43] liability stuff like that. So, it was
really great that we found these guys to
[18:47] help us to fulfill our mandates. It was
just a partnership that was great. Uh,
[18:54] also adds that the um the way that
things are approved now, the wait times,
[19:03] everything is so much faster since I
wrote that policy. And we were able to
[19:07] get everyone on board with training to
understand how the HHC works because we
[19:14] aren't all of the other properties that
they um subsidize, they own. So, we're a
[19:19] little bit we're on the outside. We're
we're an exception as usual. Everything
[19:23] with us is exceptional. Like it's just
always
[19:25] » I love that. Everything with us is
exceptional. That's a great phrase.
[19:30] » I'll take it.
>> Always the exception. So, it did take a
[19:34] little bit of extra work and
[clears throat] making sure that all of
[19:37] the um the right people were informed
and just get once the one person said
[19:45] yes, this is it. It just made it so much
easier. And that policy will be there
[19:52] and it isolates um insulates the HHC
from things like staff turnover because
[19:59] that's what happened at ASAP. People
retired and they took that knowledge
[20:03] with them and then there's people like
who are you? What do you what was the
[20:08] agreement? Like they they don't fully
understand it. So now we have that and
[20:12] it's like it it insulates us from that
happening again. So all of our sub
[20:18] subsidies were allocated and that is
also very important
[20:23] because
um it shows the need is there and I
[20:28] don't think that we were really showing
the need was there because we were able
[20:32] to give out 10 subsidies and only six of
them were filled like you know that's
[20:36] that's an issue when you're going to ask
for funding and things like that. So
[20:40] building those things up and ensuring
that everything's firing and it it was
[20:46] it's helped a lot.
Um the other big thing that I talked
[20:52] about earlier uh strategic plan. So you
can click here and look at the strategic
[20:56] plan if you want to. I doubt anybody
really [laughter] wants to. I don't want
[21:01] to.
[21:05] But uh the HAC we uh we completed our
strategic plan in tandem with a
[21:12] governance review and it was significant
for us because it it just building the
[21:18] capacity to know how to do things like
that and work through those things. It
[21:22] was really um
it and getting everybody on the same
[21:26] page. It was so valuable. Um,
we were able to reach out with all of
[21:34] our stakeholder with many of our
stakeholders and with the the township
[21:39] participated.
uh the it public the public and
[21:43] community members participated and we
were just um able to do
[21:51] something that I feel like we could
really stand behind and know what it is
[21:55] and know understand what we're doing and
why we're doing it and what we're trying
[21:59] to achieve.
Um grant applications so funding ready
[22:05] readiness was also a big area of work
this year. We submitted multiple funding
[22:10] applications to support preservation,
innovation, planning and future
[22:14] development. One application was
successful, one was unsuccessful, and
[22:19] three remain under review.
Um the other thing that we did was the
[22:25] 50 Queen Street transfer, which was huge
for us to get that done. It was just
[22:33] it had been something that we we worked
towards and we wanted to make sure we
[22:37] did we were doing right. Just to have
the transfer done that was just huge.
[22:41] Now we're the important part is there
but the leg work and and creating
[22:45] something that is a defensible and b
that we are able to duplicate it again
[22:52] like it's a we're creating that process
we'd be able to do it again and all that
[22:57] leg work is done. Um so the Queen Street
project it it's a big milestone for us.
[23:04] I feel really great about how it's
going. We just finished our procurement
[23:08] process.
Uh the one thing that we that council or
[23:13] that the board
uh directed us to do was or directed me
[23:19] to do was to do it in such a way that
uh we are able we're keeping it open for
[23:27] everybody to bid on the work like it is
we're it we could have done it where it
[23:33] was just one guy. They're going to be
the project manager and they're going to
[23:37] handle everything. Get all the
contractors and just do it all at once,
[23:41] which would be worth it. And we were
open to that if the price was like, you
[23:46] know, one guy wanted to bid on all of
the projects because we we uh separated
[23:50] out in six, but we knew that there's um
a cost, you're going to pay for that,
[23:57] and b they were going to have a hard
time
[24:01] keeping it accessible to the guys that
actually need the help with building
[24:05] their capacity. And that is a huge part
of our mandate is building up the small
[24:11] smaller scale contractors to be able to
take on larger projects and to take on
[24:16] projects that are um like government
projects like from the municipality. So
[24:22] to build that at scale and work with
them like and I I think we've been
[24:27] really successful with the scale of the
the contractors that we have. Um, and I
[24:34] feel really good about where the project
is already. We we we've updated the amp
[24:40] to 200 service. The hydro should be
getting turned back on. The windows are
[24:45] in. The deck is built. There's things
it's moving. Like things are going
[24:49] really well. Uh, and it's it's going to
be a cute house. Like it's I love this
[24:54] house. like I want to like Rona can move
out and then [laughter]
[25:00] » I'd be able to fit in that house.
[25:05] » I'm just kidding. Ron,
[laughter]
[25:09] » so in conclusion, yeah, the year
represented an important period of
[25:13] growth, stabilization, and future
planning for the HHC.
[25:18] The only thing uh Mitch is gonna speak
to the financial statement. I just
[25:23] wanted to
Um,
[25:27] sorry. When I'm in presenter mode, I
can't really. So, as an
[25:32] » as an attachment to this uh to the
annual report, there is the budget. Um,
[25:39] we did budget
for a little bit more of a a surplus
[25:45] this year. Well, we did budget for a
surplus. We we look there's going to be
[25:50] a little bit higher of a surplus this
year. and that's going to be transferred
[25:54] into a housing revitalization fund that
will be created to for future
[26:00] initiatives in corn pain. So whether
that's putting down what our share of
[26:05] the grant or whatever letting it grow
interest whatever that board of mine
[26:11] decides to do but it's um it's going to
the benefit of the community
[26:17] and yeah I'm going to I'm going to stop
sharing and then
[26:23] or I think it's another item, right?
>> Yeah, it's another item. Maybe we can
[26:27] stop here and if council or your board
of directors has any um questions as the
[26:34] shareholder of what's gone on this year,
I'll open the floor now.
[26:41] » I don't have any questions. I thought
that was great.
[26:44] » That's good to hear. Yes.
>> Yeah. I just I want to say I think
[26:49] Katherine underselled herself a bit.
[laughter]
[26:52] um the the collaboration and the um
contacts that she's made Ontario wide
[26:59] really all the way down into Ottawa and
set up meetings for us so that we can
[27:03] meet people in person when we're out of
town and um and she works diligently in
[27:08] the background has regular meetings with
Ral Impact and still moving some
[27:13] applications along the um great um
rehabilitation of the relationship with
[27:20] ADSAP
that was, you know, so moving that
[27:23] forward and being able to get people
that are having a difficult time when
[27:27] you're faced with, hey, I can't afford
the rent, but then okay, we can move you
[27:32] through the process and we can get you
there. So, when you're starting out
[27:35] with, you know, maybe three three years
behind on taxes and you need a place to
[27:40] live and you can get through all of
those years and then go through the
[27:43] subsidy process and get housed. That's a
huge accomplishment. So, I want to say
[27:48] thank you, Katherine, because you do
that from the heart. It like it's above
[27:51] and beyond. And I'm glad we have that
contact. It might be good to um when
[27:57] Service Canada is in town that we
highlight that those are some of the
[28:01] opportunities people have because uh
there might be more people out there
[28:04] that don't even know about the service,
right?
[28:06] » Yeah.
>> So, yeah, I had no idea. And they are um
[28:10] similar to what um Alma
uh the credit recovery places do where
[28:16] they help you and they'll help you with
budgeting. They'll help you even claim
[28:20] bankruptcy if you need to.
>> Right. And it's written into our rent
[28:24] collection policy that um if if there is
if we're going to enter into a payment
[28:32] agreement for a rears or anything like
that that they could work with them to
[28:37] come up with a budget. So like you're
not just sending people with and going
[28:42] towards some arbitrary number that they
can't afford. there's actual like, okay,
[28:48] we know what you can afford and what you
can handle and making those
[28:52] uh special agreements as successful as
they can be and having those extra
[28:56] services there if they need them.
>> Yes, for sure. For sure. And I think
[29:01] there was also some contacts made at the
municipal housing and m uh ministry of
[29:05] affairs.
I cannot speak today. I don't know what
[29:08] I I need to go back and wake up, I
guess. But anyway, those contacts were
[29:12] made with the ministry and I just uh I
just wanted to highlight that because it
[29:16] doesn't get captured in the report and
um and thank you Catherine.
[29:21] » You're welcome. Yes.
>> Yeah. So, any further questions? Does
[29:24] council want a tour of the house when
it's completed before it goes up for
[29:28] sale?
>> Well, of course.
[29:30] » Okay. So, if we could have that
invitation and we can make a day of it
[29:34] whenever that is.
I've also been um I've been putting blog
[29:39] entries on the website and posting them
on the Facebook page. I'm also going to
[29:44] be starting with videos. It's just
boring with the procurement process like
[29:49] hey guys we're procuring like you know
like now that things are actually
[29:53] changing like it it's it's exciting. So
I I have been putting blog posts to talk
[29:59] about um uh like where we are in the
process. the electrician actually
[30:05] because one thing that I found very
helpful for for me as somebody who's
[30:10] going through I've never really done
this before and like with a building
[30:15] permit. No, I'm just kidding. But I've
never done it. [laughter]
[30:18] I'm just kidding. But like
I've never brought a house back up to
[30:24] and the the man that I that we had his
name's Koala T Koala T Y electrical and
[30:34] the way that he suggested that we have
the ESA guy come in before we start
[30:39] anything and then have that checklist so
we're not overpaying putting in too much
[30:45] guessing we're getting or updating
something it's like no you need
[30:49] something else to save money. And it was
like he wasn't like saying he didn't
[30:56] have expertise to know, but he wanted us
to know to feel good about what he was
[31:01] advising. So you don't you're not
wondering or getting oversold by a
[31:05] contractor or something. So he I'll be
putting up a post in the next about that
[31:11] process. and he had he gave me a little
write up of his his advice on like why
[31:18] you should use like like the ESA and
what they do and how that process
[31:22] process works because it is kind of
confusing at first but yeah if you're
[31:26] working with a professional for
electrician [clears throat] like that
[31:30] like I thought that was so honest of him
>> because he could have told me like hey
[31:34] we need to tear down [laughter]
[31:40] but a lot of people do get oversold on
what they actually need to pass a
[31:45] um there is wiggle room if it's not a
new build
[31:48] » right
>> with the essay
[31:50] » and it gives you the confidence if you
don't if you haven't done electricity in
[31:54] your house and you're upgrading and now
you're talking to the people that are
[31:57] going to pass it and they're telling you
exactly what you need it gives you the
[32:00] confidence to know okay I'm on the same
page with my electrician now
[32:05] » and it's empowering too and then you
know to that whoever you sell it to you
[32:09] you can sleep at night Mhm.
>> Knowing that the house is safe, like you
[32:14] you'll feel better about that sale.
>> Exactly.
[32:17] » And especially if you're living in it,
you'll sleep really good at night.
[32:20] [clears throat]
[laughter]
[32:22] » Okay. Is there any further comments or
questions for Catherine?
[32:26] Okay. Thank you so much, Catherine. And
I'm not sure. Do we have a resolution
[32:29] for that first part?
>> Yes. Okay. If I can get a mover and a
[32:34] second for the presentation moved by
councelor Peter Kism, second by
[32:38] councelor John Perov.
It resolved that council sitting as the
[32:43] sole shareholder hereby accepts the 2025
annual report of the Hornpane Housing
[32:47] Corporation to be received as
information. Those in favor and that is
[32:52] carried. And I guess I should just add
uh we are still a shareholder
[32:58] within the hotel as well. Hotel Studio
6. That's part of our
[33:02] » Yes.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[33:04] » Yes. I Yeah,
I guess.
[33:08] » Oh, it could be in there. I might have
just missed it.
[33:10] » No, I don't think I put it in there.
>> Okay. Do we want to make an addition to
[33:14] that? And
>> um I
[33:16] » or an appendix.
>> Yeah, I'll add an appendix to the uh but
[33:20] just verbally the hotel is uh we've uh
is doing well and is expected to do even
[33:27] better.
>> That is good news. Yes. Yes. Okay.
[33:32] Great.
>> Okay. And we're moving on to the
[33:35] financial statements.
>> Perfect. I'll uh I'll pull up the
[33:39] financial statements on my screen.
Um and let me know when uh you can see
[33:46] the statements.
[33:49] » We can see them. Are you able to make
them a little bit bigger, Mitch?
[33:53] » Yep.
>> Or presentation mode or something?
[33:58] » Uh
[34:03] all right. Is that any better?
>> That is better. Yes.
[34:06] » All right. Perfect. Um well, I'll
introduce myself again real quick. I was
[34:11] uh there back in July. Uh but Mayor
Ford, I don't believe you were there for
[34:16] the township um township audit report,
but uh my name is Mitch Marinovich. I'm
[34:22] the audit manager for township and the
housing corporation. Um at this point,
[34:27] we've completed both audits. Township
was completed in July, August, and the
[34:32] housing corporation back in around June.
Uh we are here to present the financial
[34:36] statements. So what I plan to do is go
over the statements, explain some of the
[34:40] variations in the accounts, how we're
landing at different numbers, what uh
[34:44] some of the numbers make up, as well as
um a little more understanding for the
[34:49] township as a sole shareholder. Uh have
comfort over the financial statements
[34:53] and uh commend the job that Katherine's
been doing for the housing corporation.
[34:59] So, uh, the first page on your audit
financial statements is your auditor's
[35:04] report. Um, as you can see, so with the
auditor's report, we do have a qualified
[35:10] opinion. Uh, a qualified opinion is a
tier lower than your standard uh, clean
[35:16] opinion that gets issued. And what that
qualification on is explained down in
[35:20] this paragraph here, your basis for
qualified opinion. Uh I will add that
[35:24] the basis of qualified opinion has been
the same uh qualification for the past
[35:29] two or three years now. Uh primarily the
revenue from the laundry fees being all
[35:34] cash in general. As auditors we cannot
verify that all the cash went in. It's
[35:39] it's no allegations against anybody at
the housing corporation. But if we can't
[35:43] validate
that 100% goes in, it is a a
[35:48] qualification. And the way we would
solve that in the future is implementing
[35:53] uh stronger controls, having two people
go and pull the amounts out, signing
[35:57] off, doing recounts, items like that.
But I can work with Katherine just to
[36:02] increase those controls over the laundry
fees so that it's easier to validate
[36:06] that 100% went in. Uh other
qualification is related to what's
[36:12] called the asset retirement obligation
and this came in in 2023.
[36:16] Uh and what it relates to is anytime
that there's a legal obligation uh for
[36:21] removal or remediation
uh a liability has to be set up on the
[36:26] financial statements. So for the housing
corporation itself, the red vinyl seal
[36:33] uh flooring tile has suspected asestous
in it. And that comes back from the
[36:38] building condition report, but it isn't
confirmed uh yet at that point on if it
[36:43] is has in it and if there is uh an
associated cost for removal. Um, in
[36:50] order to have a clean opinion, we need
to know whether or not the the ceiling
[36:54] or the flooring tile does contain
asbestous as well as an estimate on how
[36:58] much it would take to remove. So, those
are the qualifications that kind of
[37:02] bring you down a step from a clean audit
opinion as opposed to uh the qualified
[37:07] opinion that you have. I will add that
these are very common uh qualifications
[37:12] that impact a lot of public sector uh
clientele as well as not forprofits.
[37:17] even though the housing corporation
isn't a nonprofit that it is a very
[37:21] common qualification. So, it's nothing
that I would lose sleep over. Uh and
[37:25] it's really things that are essentially
um not as much in management control
[37:31] unless an engineer is brought in to uh
do an assessment for the housing
[37:37] corporation.
The rest of the report uh outlines the
[37:41] different duties of the audits and the
management. uh a lot of night nice late
[37:46] night reading on that front to get us
down to the final report. But the first
[37:51] statement you'll see uh starting on uh
page four I believe is your statement of
[37:57] financial position. Your statement of
financial position is at December 31st
[38:02] your year end where all the balances sit
uh for the housing corporation. So your
[38:09] cash balance has decreased and what that
decrease is real is relating to uh is
[38:15] some capital expenses in the year as
well as growing accounts receivable. Um
[38:20] when we go down to accounts receivable
we do see an increase of about $25,000
[38:24] yearoveryear uh accounts receivable as
explained in note three but primarily a
[38:29] h 100,000 of that is related to the PSB
rebates. Um, and I will confirm that now
[38:36] that the township or the housing
corporation has received its public
[38:39] sector body rebate uh as a municipal
service corporation, these will be
[38:45] translating into
cash uh in the next week, I would say. I
[38:50] checked this morning. Everything's been
approved and it should be being uh
[38:54] flowed and offsetting with the source
deductions payable on the um housing
[39:00] corporation side in their payroll
account that's due and that goes back a
[39:03] number of years. Uh the remaining 30,000
that's primarily all um when I say
[39:09] 30,000 the 100,000's GST. the remaining
30,000. That's all tenant rent that's
[39:14] gone uh a number of years and it's
related to a couple tenants that are
[39:18] late and have land uh landlord uh
tribunal board uh orders to pay. There's
[39:26] no real growth in the tenant receivable
year-over-year. So, that's more of a
[39:30] commending Catherine on vetting the
tenants coming in. Um it's remained
[39:35] consistent year-over-year with the AR.
It's not growing in terms of what the
[39:39] tenants owe. So, it is a a good sign
that the tenants that are coming in are
[39:44] paying
consistently year-over-year.
[39:48] Your portfolio investment, that's your
investment in the hotel. Um, not a lot
[39:53] change is expected to change on that
amount. That is the amount of common
[39:57] share that you subscribed to when the
development was occurring.
[40:02] Accounts payable. Accounts payable. A
little bit of growth on that. Primarily
[40:07] where that growth is coming from is a
little bit of interest on the um payroll
[40:11] deductions that go back a number of
years that they're going to be settled
[40:15] in the next week once we receive all
those uh all the PSD rates come rebates
[40:20] coming forward and the remaining
accounts payable. It's primarily just
[40:24] timing difference on when things get
paid uh for your normal trade.
[40:30] deferred revenues goes down and that uh
deferred revenue is your prepaid rent uh
[40:35] your last month's deposits as well as
the ADSAB deferred contribution on the
[40:41] on the forgivable loan that goes back to
about 2010 back when it was the economic
[40:45] development corporation.
But every year that's going to decrease
[40:49] about $12,000
over the 20 year life of that loan.
[40:55] Long-term debt. So there's two debts.
Last year's doors as well as the main
[40:58] mortgage decrease is just your normal
principal payment uh on the debts
[41:05] and your capital assets. Capital assets,
those are your brick and mortar assets.
[41:10] Those are uh a lot of your Park View
apartments as well as any improvements
[41:13] that went through there. Bit of a
decrease in the year primarily from
[41:18] amortization.
the additions that happened in the year
[41:21] to the tangible capital assets was a new
boiler was put in uh for the housing
[41:27] corporation.
And that wraps up your Oh, I went down a
[41:31] couple too I went too many pages down.
But that wraps up the balance sheet.
[41:36] Your next statement is your statement of
operations and your accumulated surplus.
[41:40] So this is your revenues and
expenditures, your surplus in the year,
[41:44] uh all your ins and outs over the
12-month period. So revenue growth um in
[41:49] terms of rent you went up about 6,000
beat budget by about 14,000. So again
[41:55] good tenants are coming in everybody's
paying their bills and you are bringing
[41:59] in higher market rent uh as opposed to
prior year.
[42:03] As mentioned every year you're going to
have this District Services
[42:06] Administration Board amount as that
forgivable loan uh keeps on creeping
[42:11] down. every year bring 12,500 into uh
revenue. Laundry is about $7,000
[42:17] [clears throat]
uh bringing you a total revenue of
[42:20] 433,000
down from last year but primarily only
[42:25] because that there was the grant that
came in last year towards the door
[42:28] project
[42:32] or sorry that was I think building
services.
[42:35] » Yeah the uh
>> yeah that was uh citywide correct?
[42:39] » Yeah asset management. Okay.
Uh expenditures significantly down from
[42:45] last year and also down from budget. So
it's uh good on management just making
[42:51] sure that finding value, finding ways to
cut costs to continue to uh generate a
[42:57] surplus now for the housing corporation.
But your key decreases uh are in your
[43:02] professional fees. And last year about
$34,000 in professional fees uh down to
[43:08] about 11,000 this year. And that's all
from the asset management program going
[43:12] in as well as your building condition uh
your building condition report that was
[43:17] completed by Accent Building Services
last year. So that's primarily where the
[43:22] decrease is. Uh revenue on rental
income's going up. Operating expenses
[43:27] are going down bringing you to a total
surplus about $19,62
[43:31] for the year. uh continuing to show
positive surpluses over the two years
[43:36] and indicating that the housing
corporation is trending in the right
[43:41] direction uh
compared to where it was about two two
[43:45] three years ago. So again it is good to
see uh on that front
[43:53] immittent change in net financial assets
net debt this essentially reconciles
[43:57] back to how we get from our surplus to
what our net financial assets are.
[44:01] Financial assets are your assets that
are your rights to cash. So an accounts
[44:06] receivable, it's a right to cash as well
as accounts payable, a right to pay
[44:10] cash. The number we land at is about uh
232,000. So between the amount of money
[44:16] that eventually you're going to owe
compared to what you have now, we are
[44:19] showing improvement year-over-year. Uh a
big piece of why the net financial
[44:24] liabilities and the negative is because
you do have the mortgage and this is
[44:26] completely normal to see.
And the last statement will be your cash
[44:33] flow statement.
Uh cash flows just break out everywhere
[44:37] from our surplus to how we land at our
cash balance uh about 19 or $17,000.
[44:44] Uh as you can see the capital additions
133,300.
[44:49] That's your purchase of your boiler in
the year. You made 23,000 in long-term
[44:53] debt. Uh accounts dable increased.
accounts payable has decreased and
[45:00] uh your deferred revenue continues to uh
decrease year-over-year. So that's how
[45:07] we land at our $17,000.
And after that, we have our notes, the
[45:12] financial statements, and these just
provide some clarity. Uh the first ones
[45:16] are some of your accounting policies
just explain how things are accounted
[45:20] for and then some of the notes uh will
break up some of the numbers just for a
[45:26] little more clarity on what's in the
balance. So, as you can see, tenant rent
[45:30] receivable is very minor increase
year-over-year, but the HST recoverable
[45:35] uh in your accounts receivable is uh
primarily why you're seeing that shift
[45:39] from 105,000 to 130,000 and that should
all be collected in the next uh next
[45:44] couple weeks.
Um, we do have an allowance over the
[45:50] current um, tenant rent receivables and
that's something just worth monitoring
[45:55] year-over-year as we see some of those
older accounts receivables that are
[45:59] before the landlord uh, tenant board. If
there's no activity, we do have to take
[46:04] a look and see, make an assessment and
how much do we think is going to be
[46:07] collectible. Is this something that
eventually should get written off? Every
[46:11] year we're going to assess it and
determine whether or not we should uh
[46:14] continue to decrease the reasonable
amount that we think we should collect
[46:19] on those amounts.
[46:23] Uh when we're looking at our accounts
payable, this government remittanc is
[46:26] payable piece that we're talking about
that goes back to um a number of years
[46:31] ago where source deductions were not uh
being paid. So as those HST rebates come
[46:37] in, they're going to offset the
government remittances payable. So that
[46:41] should clean everything up uh shortly.
And trade the trade c trade amounts
[46:46] those are just primarily timing
differences on when things get paid
[46:48] year-over-year.
[46:52] And the last note um I'll just give a
quick uh discussion on is just the
[46:57] deferred revenue. So rent deposits
remain relatively consistent at 27,000
[47:02] compared to 23,000 your prepaid rent. So
that's if uh rent came in earlier than
[47:08] normal uh when they were due that that's
what gets reported there. And of course
[47:12] the DAB deferred contribution has about
5 years left on that on that forgivable
[47:17] loan. Uh should be ending around 2030.
[47:23] And I think that's the majority of the
financial statements. Your long-term
[47:28] debt is uh consistent just normal
payown. No new debt was taken on by the
[47:32] housing corporation in the year. And
over the next five years, your principal
[47:36] repayments are going to uh decrease as
you pay off the first door project loan
[47:41] from last year.
Housing corporation still has a general
[47:46] deficit, but that's been getting chipped
away year-over-year just from uh ongoing
[47:50] surpluses.
Um that's primarily the the financial
[47:56] statements. Uh the rest of the notes I'm
not going to go into too significantly.
[48:00] their more standard uh verbiage. But
what I will do is I'll open the floor to
[48:05] any questions from council
and or Katherine
[48:11] » just to clarify. It wasn't
[clears throat] a new boiler. It was a
[48:14] new hot water tank.
>> Oh, sorry. You're breaking up. I didn't
[48:17] hear that too. Well,
>> um it wasn't a new boiler. It was a new
[48:21] hot water tank.
>> Hot water tank. Sorry. Yeah.
[48:24] » Boiler. It would be a lot.
>> But that was a good price.
[48:28] » Yeah. No apologies. Uh I get them mixed
up. It was a new hot water tank. That's
[48:33] correct.
>> And another thing I just wanted to
[48:36] highlight is that
uh prior to um the HD like prior
[48:45] when the HHC took over for the HDC, we
adopted some new policies and some of
[48:51] those one of those was to collect rent
deposit or last month's rent at the
[48:56] beginning of a teny. So if it seems low
like 35 units, why is there only this
[49:01] much in rent dep like we do collect rent
deposits? There's just some uh older
[49:06] tenants that didn't have to. But moving
forward, the due policy, every tenant
[49:12] has to give last month's rent deposit.
>> Okay.
[49:18] » That's pretty standard, I think.
>> Yeah.
[49:20] » Well, the only thing it's kind of hard
to deal with [clears throat]
[49:25] like because you you
[49:29] they they could ask for interest on it
and stuff and you have to show the
[49:32] interest. It's it just I understand why
the HDC opted not to
[49:36] » but you really need to to protect
yourself as a landlord.
[49:42] » So, any questions on the financial
statements?
[49:47] I just have one that's more related to
what I'm seeing in the agenda package
[49:52] and what was shown online. So, I'm just
going back to page um what page am I on
[50:00] here
five of the actual it's 24 of our
[50:05] package for those in the package
and I noticed on your presentation it
[50:11] wasn't municipal contributions on the
list it was laundry
[50:17] revenues I was trying to check to make
sure all the numbers were correct
[50:22] » and I just want to make I'm thinking we
might received an older copy.
[50:27] » Oh, I got this right from the um
[50:33] the Stephanie like our our
>> Oh, is that is that is that right from
[50:37] the portal?
>> Yeah.
[50:38] » Okay. Uh that should that should be the
laundry income. Um I'll I'll double
[50:42] [clears throat] check and if not, we'll
send you a different copy. That should
[50:45] be the uh the laundry income on that.
There were are no municipal
[50:49] contributions uh from the township.
>> Yes, that's what I just wanted to make
[50:53] that clarity. Yeah.
>> And then we can update when we get that
[50:56] new one, we can update our agenda
package to ensure that the right one is
[51:00] there. And from my like the as you were
doing your presentation, I was watching
[51:05] the bigger amounts and all of that added
up. Like that was all the same.
[51:09] » So,
>> yeah.
[51:11] » And your copy looked a lot better
displayed actually than ours that's in
[51:14] the agenda package.
>> Yep. I think probably just on the
[51:18] transfer over uh into into that when
formatting didn't come through as much,
[51:23] but I I can uh update the one on the
portal just to make sure it's
[51:26] consistent. The the one I was showing
should have been the final one, but uh
[51:31] » it could have been something that the
team put up an old an older copy, but
[51:34] I'll uh I'll look into it and send that
>> one.
[51:37] » I could have easily grabbed the wrong
one out of the files list, too. Like uh
[51:42] it could have been my bad, but I will
update this before it's published on the
[51:45] website. Okay. Yeah, that's all I just
want to make sure we're we're And why
[51:51] that's so important just for the board
is that we are self- sustaining and it
[51:55] opens us up to uh further funding
opportunities and gives the MSC more
[52:01] freedom and leverage if they are
completely self- sustaining and not
[52:05] receiving municipal contributions. So,
there is a I'm not trying to be
[52:09] nitpicky, but I
>> No, I [laughter] 100% agree.
[52:13] It's a point of pride for us that we
don't get municipal.
[52:17] » Yes. Yes. We're making this work without
rateayer dollars.
[52:22] » So, any further questions at this time?
>> I don't.
[52:27] » Okay. There being none, there is a a
motion on the floor to um accept the
[52:33] financial uh statements as presented as
received for information. If I can get a
[52:37] mover and a seconder, please. Moved by
councelor Peter Kismaker, second by
[52:41] councelor John Peroff. Be it resolved
that council sitting as sole shareholder
[52:45] hereby accepts the 2025 financial
statements of the Hornpane Housing
[52:49] Corporation to be received as
information. Those in favor
[52:54] and that is carried.
>> Okay. Well, thank you so much, Mitch.
[52:59] You're welcome to continue on and stay
in our meeting, but if
[53:02] » Yeah, I don't feel obligated. [laughter]
>> No, I I I appreciate the invite. I got
[53:08] to go pack. We have an office wedding
tomorrow. one of the other managers and
[53:12] I have to get uh myself to well it's
Saturday but we're we're all heading out
[53:16] tomorrow morning to Kani Mountain Lodge
just uh
[53:20] » outside of Sudbury for this wedding. So
I still got to get packed and uh
[53:24] » ready to go for that. But uh appreciate
the invite and it was good seeing
[53:28] everybody again and I think uh we'll
connect again uh in the near future for
[53:33] our intermodic coming up uh probably
around November.
[53:36] » But I'll touch base with Cindy and
Manuela.
[53:39] » Okay. will travel safe and have a
fantastic time. That sounds like
[53:43] » a great celebration.
>> Yeah. Thank you very much.
[53:47] » Thanks.
>> Have a good night everybody.
[53:50] » Good night.
>> Okay. So, moving on to 6.7 and I'll hand
[53:56] it off to Katherine about a housing
needs and demand study proposal.
[54:00] » Okay. Uh
give me one second here.
[54:44] Hey, can everybody see it?
[54:48] Okay. So, uh, in the spirit of building
capacity and, uh, local capacity, I
[54:56] thought that I would just bring this up
to council. I'm not asking for a
[55:00] decision on it right away, but I uh the
staff and the board have been working uh
[55:08] on a solution because uh the township's
housing needs and demand study. They
[55:14] normally you best practice to have them
done every five years and we've been
[55:20] looking at a way that we could do this
have it done without taking up the
[55:25] staff's resources.
uh here at the township and without
[55:30] paying a lot of money. So the the HHC
would like to present the opportunity
[55:36] for us to possibly
uh to complete it for the township.
[55:44] So,
[55:47] uh, I did send you I gave you guys a
paper package of what I'm presenting
[55:51] right now and I can send the digital one
as, uh, after the meeting if anybody
[55:56] would like it. So, housing needs a
demand study. Um, it provides current
[56:03] locally relevant evidence to guide
future housing development. Um, it makes
[56:09] sure that you are um
responding to the your you got your
[56:16] priorities straight. You're responding
to the most needed things and your
[56:20] resources are going to the right place
when it comes to housing. Um so
[56:26] the idea is that we would build on
existing local research and municipal
[56:31] planning documents to help inform this
and as well as the the lo the latest um
[56:41] uh census was just completed. It's the
information from it comes out rolls out
[56:48] all of it won't be fully out I think
until 2027
[56:53] but um
so we wanted to be a if we were able to
[56:58] do it we would be able to build the
local capacity by getting the HHC do to
[57:03] do it and if we were able to
find a good method of doing it and a
[57:08] defensible methodology of doing it that
would be a way that we would uh could
[57:14] produce revenue for other communities
moving forward.
[57:20] So, uh we're best positioned to lead
this work because we are the ones that
[57:26] are dealing with this data. We know uh
what we're up against and what what we
[57:32] need and we just finished doing the
strategic plan. The economic development
[57:36] office uh
was has a lot of studies that are have
[57:43] been already done uh that would be able
to feed into this work. Uh the 2019
[57:50] study isn't so outdated that it wouldn't
be useful. Um also u we were mandated to
[57:59] deal with housing for the township. So
it just makes sense that it comes to our
[58:03] office.
[58:07] So the way that uh the proposed scope
that I was thinking or that we are
[58:13] thinking of how we would be able to
complete it is in three main work
[58:17] streams. The first being research and
data analysis by reviewing everything we
[58:22] have taking stock of all of the existing
plans uh the studies that were completed
[58:28] the market development uh stuff the uh
the census data just and finding what's
[58:36] missing um and then digging in from
there but having a good idea of where we
[58:43] are at and where uh what we the
resources that we have to start with. Uh
[58:50] that's going to be the starting point.
From there, uh we could do a community
[58:55] and market assessment, engage
stakeholders and community members to
[58:59] validate findings, identify emerging
pressures, and assess pri priority
[59:03] needs. That's uh reaching out to the
community.
[59:07] Um looking at stats, finding housing
data, uh looking at our own data, real
[59:15] estate, how things are selling, impact
data,
[59:19] identifying the barriers and like just
taking a good honest look at everything.
[59:26] Uh the third thing would be uh actual
the
[59:31] finding the recommendations
uh what what and then that would be the
[59:37] prioritization
figuring out what's needed the most and
[59:41] what we could do to solve the issue that
or the barriers to remove the barriers.
[59:48] Uh so
the other piece of this is that a lot of
[59:54] times these studies get done and they're
done because they're requirements of
[59:58] grants. Like if you have a grant, if
you're putting in a grant, if you have a
[1:00:02] housing visa demand study and it's
defensible, oh, you have that, you did
[1:00:07] that. The data is there. I I kind of the
way that I see this moving forward is
[1:00:13] I'd like to see it done in a way that
we're actually using the data and it
[1:00:17] turns into a living document almost like
a strategic plan so that in five years
[1:00:23] we're not starting over again like in
five years you would do a deep dive
[1:00:30] reaching out to stakeholders every five
years but every year we can look at uh
[1:00:37] what growth we've had what has changed
because if you look at 2019 by 2023 it
[1:00:43] was vast like 2019 and then co
and then everything just changed from
[1:00:49] there. So these they become very uh like
a static report where they're not being
[1:00:56] used and they're not very useful uh from
this on the staff level, you know, and
[1:01:02] on a decision making level. Uh in order
to keep it up to date, we could look at
[1:01:07] it every year when we look at our
strategic plan and update it. Uh when
[1:01:12] we're designing it, we could um figure
out what indicators we're going to use
[1:01:18] to measure
progress throughout uh like
[1:01:24] every year we're going to look at
rentals. Are there any more rentals
[1:01:27] available? Are there any more? Like
those are the things that we're going to
[1:01:30] find to see how we're being successful.
And that's what we would look at every
[1:01:34] year to keep this a living document
that's always up to date and not
[1:01:39] something that's just sitting on the
shelf or on someone's hard drive that we
[1:01:44] sometimes talk about but don't really
understand fully. Um
[1:01:51] so the proposed timeline that I would
like to do this is to have it done by
[1:01:57] June 2027.
uh the
[1:02:02] I think
and this will largely depend just to be
[1:02:07] uh completely transparent um we we will
be hiring somebody to help with this and
[1:02:14] it's going to depend on that process of
what it can start like when we hire
[1:02:19] somebody and when they're trained all of
that stuff like moving forward I I gave
[1:02:26] phase one a little bit
a good amount of time, but I I think
[1:02:31] that we would be able to meet that June
2027 deadline.
[1:02:37] The only thing is that
the uh the census data, the way that it
[1:02:43] comes out, we're just going to go with
the most up-to-date information we have
[1:02:48] because there was a 2023
2020 I think one that was
[1:02:54] a partial update. They didn't do a full
census, but it's newer than the 2019.
[1:03:01] As the uh when we do the the year
update, then the year after, we'll be
[1:03:06] able to incorporate the census data. So,
it'll always be up to date with what we
[1:03:11] have.
Okay. So the total investment for from
[1:03:17] the council that the HHC is asking for
is $10,000 for this initial investment
[1:03:25] and $3,000 a year to keep it up to date
and that is for uh the dedicated staff
[1:03:32] support the independent review. Uh I
know that there's a concern that you
[1:03:38] know we aren't outside enough to be
unbiased
[1:03:43] but with this type of study it's the
methodology that needs to be defensible.
[1:03:48] So we I did have budgeted it in here to
have u a review of the entire uh project
[1:03:58] after to validate all of our findings so
that we we'd be able to say defend to
[1:04:05] defend the study after and say yes this
is right this is good like this is good
[1:04:09] information they followed this this and
this and yeah so it would be a fully
[1:04:16] defensible study
Um and the research and engagement uh
[1:04:20] portion that's all the stakeholder stuff
uh the different engagement that we can
[1:04:27] move forward to to bring the study and
make it as wholesome as the last one
[1:04:32] because the last one we had a really
amazing turnout for. I think there was
[1:04:37] like the researchers they spoke about
how engaged the community was. So like
[1:04:42] I'm hoping that we can get just as much
feedback as we did that time.
[1:04:48] Um yeah and then from there
considerations
[1:04:54] there may be considerations concerning
whether the uh if this needs to um like
[1:05:01] the the HHC we are an MSC we're
municipally owned corporation and we
[1:05:06] were [laughter]
um tasked with with housing. It's part
[1:05:11] of our mandate and it's part of both of
our strategic plans to advance housing.
[1:05:16] Um so
uh assigning the housing needs and
[1:05:20] demand study would help build permanent
local capacity
[1:05:25] rather than relying on an uh an external
consultant.
[1:05:31] to um
like the council would be able to aside
[1:05:37] this to us without it any questions
being brought up
[1:05:43] surrounding like bonusing or anything
like that like we would just because we
[1:05:50] are tasked with housing and that is part
of our mandate
[1:05:54] » and there that's it thanks for listening
I'm sorry it's like convoluted but a
[1:06:00] little But
>> no, thank you, Catherine. Do we have any
[1:06:04] questions for Catherine? Go ahead.
>> Um, I have more comments than maybe
[1:06:08] recommendations. Um, so because sorry,
council is in restricted acts period and
[1:06:14] this is not included in this year's
budget, we can't um this evening say yes
[1:06:19] to the expenditure of $10,000. It was in
the budget. I could do it, but it's not.
[1:06:25] So my recommend I I love the idea. I
think it's great. I agree that it is
[1:06:29] part of both mandates. I also agree
[clears throat] that um because you are
[1:06:34] our MSC and that expertise is housed
internally, we don't have to go
[1:06:37] externally. We can do it internally. So
my recommendation is to change the
[1:06:42] timelines on page five
um from October December to possibly
[1:06:49] November December when you have a new
council where they can amend the budget.
[1:06:54] » Okay.
>> So um that that would be the first
[1:06:57] recommendation. The [clears throat]
second would be it would be a small
[1:07:01] impact to the nove to the 2026 budget.
So I think you would do very little work
[1:07:06] in 2026. So I would say an initial small
payment to the HHC in 2026 with the
[1:07:12] majority in the 2027 budget for both the
HHC and the township. So if it was
[1:07:17] 10,000 maybe like 2500 in 2026 and 7500
in 2027
[1:07:22] » on both those to make it more manageable
for the budgets and to have the least
[1:07:26] amount of impact but to move the project
forward
[1:07:29] » immediately and then let me just go
through all the um
[1:07:35] and then um
that also gives me the opportunity when
[1:07:40] the new council comes in to ensure that
it aligns with their priorities
[1:07:45] which I it should
>> Yeah.
[1:07:48] » Yeah.
>> My uh the way the reason why I'm
[1:07:51] bringing this to you now
is because I do want to start the hiring
[1:07:56] process. So the thing is is that uh I
want to be able to answer the questions
[1:08:00] like what are you hired to do? Well that
most of their job is going to be this
[1:08:06] helping you not doing this but helping
you with this assisting with
[1:08:10] administrative duties with this. So then
I also had one more recommendation on
[1:08:15] page six. You have the annual um annual
charge of 3,000 for an update. That's
[1:08:22] reasonable, but I would recommend doing
that for years one to four, but having a
[1:08:27] more um wholesome refresh in year five
with a larger dollar ticket because
[1:08:34] Yeah. So years one to four with the 3000
for a quick refresh and then in year
[1:08:39] five a revamp of the whole um report
again.
[1:08:42] » Yeah, that's what like is every five
years needs to be done. So that's what I
[1:08:48] » just add that to that timeline there.
>> Yeah.
[1:08:51] » Y sorry those are my comments.
>> Okay.
[1:08:54] » Okay.
>> Uh any other questions from the floor? I
[1:08:57] kind of just have one comment or
>> clarification I should say for for those
[1:09:02] that are watching us. Your the
investment of 10,000
[1:09:08] right is to help further your
development but it aligns perfectly with
[1:09:16] the municipal uh strategic plan, right?
>> So we benefit from carrying on our
[1:09:24] strategic plan, right?
>> Yeah.
[1:09:25] » Okay. because it was
>> oh this is a huge cost savings because
[1:09:30] we paid 25,000 for the first needs and
demand study.
[1:09:33] » Yeah.
>> And by hiring the HHC to do our next one
[1:09:39] for 10,000 build that capacity
>> I yeah it's a win-win for the knowledge
[1:09:46] base in our community and it's and it's
hiring. It's not like we're
[1:09:51] » it's not a subsidy to the HHC.
>> Yeah. And The other just to add to that
[1:09:57] it's also showing that uh this is going
to be done on a continuous basis so it's
[1:10:03] not going to be forgotten about that's
the part I really like living
[1:10:07] » because [clears throat]
>> yes because we already have a standing
[1:10:10] resolution at council table from when
our five years came up so that would
[1:10:15] have been I think it was in 2024 in the
fall that we agreed that we wanted to
[1:10:20] update the needs and demand study so
>> this also increases of the HHC's capac
[1:10:25] capacity to remain self- sustaining
because once they've gone through it
[1:10:28] with us and they've got that one, they
can reach out to other communities
[1:10:32] around us. Um, and because they are
northern and understand the north and
[1:10:36] the demands here are so much different
than what a consultant from southern
[1:10:40] Ontario sees. Um, it would be like a
homegrown plan for the whole region and
[1:10:46] it would create an opportunity for them
to generate a new revenue stream from
[1:10:49] those communities that are around us.
And it's not going to be a copy and
[1:10:53] paste plan from like, you know, a
southern Ontario suburb
[1:10:58] » perspective.
>> Yeah. Like it we we do have a lot of
[1:11:02] different needs that
>> u the other thing that
[1:11:07] » I just wanted to highlight was that like
you said like it does align with both of
[1:11:11] our strategic plans, but we wanted to be
sure that you know how we don't want to
[1:11:16] have a line item that we got a municipal
transfer,
[1:11:20] » right? We want to show that it's
reciprocity and that we're that there's
[1:11:24] a
we're supporting each other.
[1:11:27] » No, you should be billing us and we
should be paying it like any other.
[1:11:30] » It's not like a a transfer that
[clears throat] looks like we're we're
[1:11:34] not pulling our weight in the community
or earning that money
[1:11:37] » or that it's avail
that that we're doing it like that we
[1:11:43] earn it.
>> Yeah. I I really I like the proposal,
[1:11:48] Catherine. I love the idea that you want
to update it annually. Yeah.
[1:11:52] » Because I agree that um even from 2019
to 2026 right now, how many new
[1:11:57] apartments have been built? We know we
have growth and if you don't measure it,
[1:12:02] you can't you can't show it to your
lenders, to your funders. And you and
[1:12:06] it's so much we were just at AMO talking
about um the successes of porn pain
[1:12:12] through all of these challenges,
especially coming out of the co area.
[1:12:16] But if you don't have the data, if you
don't have the numbers to say like look
[1:12:19] at this is what has actually happened
and um more recently in a discussion was
[1:12:25] about if you look at all municipalities
a size of a thousand you can actually
[1:12:31] start seeing that man we we're doing
good like we're trying to get above the
[1:12:36] hump in a very challenging situation
right because a lot of municipalities
[1:12:42] are in this place where they don't have
a a strong economic base and they're
[1:12:47] almost like bedroom communities
>> and and but that base is growing. So,
[1:12:52] it's I I think it would be so just key
to when we're meeting with people to get
[1:12:57] more funding that we have the data to
say, no, this is how many new uh places,
[1:13:02] new units of residents that we've been
able to add,
[1:13:06] » how many people are looking, how like
who's contacting real estate agents,
[1:13:11] » who's had to build somewhere else. all
of that information is so important like
[1:13:18] and I think that yeah I think that's
going to be a huge u
[1:13:24] like it sounds like you know like the
strategic planning the the governance
[1:13:30] review it sounds like a lot of paperwork
and stuff like that but it's honestly
[1:13:34] what you need to get
>> decisions made it's not as easy as just
[1:13:39] you know finding somebody that can do it
like you know
[1:13:42] » and you need it for big applications. We
needed it for the enabling housing, I
[1:13:47] believe, and uh what was the accelerator
>> and it puts ahead. It does if you have
[1:13:51] that demonstrated feed and if you have
those because they when funders get are
[1:13:57] giving you money, they want to show
>> what you were able to do with it. So, if
[1:14:02] you don't have a starting point, they're
not going to be able to say like look at
[1:14:06] how far look at everything we did. we
they were able to measure this like I
[1:14:11] give them this much they got this far.
>> They want to be able to measure their
[1:14:16] successes
>> well too. So we need to be speaking
[1:14:18] their language and doing what they need
>> to say that they're successful as well
[1:14:24] and that they're making good
investments.
[1:14:27] » Yeah. Good. Good.
Okay. So we're going to move forward
[1:14:31] then with that new proposed timeline. I
just want to thank ma for those
[1:14:35] recommendations
and then um yeah and we know at council
[1:14:41] tables already discussed this previously
about the housing needs and it was
[1:14:45] passed unanimously. I'm going to say it
was the fall of 2024. Yeah,
[1:14:49] » I I can't really remember but it's in
our resolutions already when it was
[1:14:53] coming due
>> and this could easily be put in 2027's
[1:14:57] budget. I'm almost just looking for a
memorandum of understanding that this is
[1:15:01] something that we will be able that we
will move forward with.
[1:15:06] » Oh yeah, you can talk to Manuel about
that. That would fall under her
[1:15:10] delegation of authority, her regular
one, not even the council restricted
[1:15:13] acts because it's
>> you can you're able to do that.
[1:15:18] » It'll help with our hiring what just so
I'd be able to tell somebody this is
[1:15:22] what we're doing. because I don't want
it I didn't want to be advertising hey
[1:15:26] I'm looking for this for this and you
guys are like we didn't even hire you
[1:15:31] for that [laughter]
[1:15:34] » yeah you can have that discussion with
Manuela and she'll lead you in how to
[1:15:37] get it done so you can hire the person
ahead of time and
[1:15:40] » okay excellent
>> yeah and if I can uh get a mover in a
[1:15:44] second to um receive the housing uh
means and demand study proposal moved by
[1:15:50] councelor Peter Kism second by councelor
Belinda Kissmaker. Be it resolved that
[1:15:55] resolved that council hereby receives
the housing needs and advance study
[1:15:58] proposal as presented. We have further
resolved that consideration of the
[1:16:02] proposal be deferred to a future meeting
of council. Do we need to have that
[1:16:07] deferral on there? If she'll talk us
through it or
[1:16:12] » Yes, because I think once um we have a
new council, we'll need to do an
[1:16:16] amendment to the budget. Correct.
>> 2027.
[1:16:19] » Are you going to put it all in 2027?
>> Yeah. then we don't need the referral.
[1:16:24] » Okay. So, we'll [clears throat] just
delete that uh just be it resolved to be
[1:16:28] » uh receive as presented.
>> Yeah.
[1:16:30] » And then Yeah.
>> Okay.
[1:16:33] » And all in favor
>> and that is carried.
[1:16:37] Okay. And then we just have 6.8 is
general um questions or comments from
[1:16:43] council.
[1:16:48] » I have none.
>> You have none. Okay.
[1:16:49] » Yeah, I'm good.
up a lot of time. Sorry guys.
[1:16:56] » I just have one question that um the the
board is revolving easily. You don't
[1:17:03] have any vacancies besides the council
ones for this coming year.
[1:17:08] » I I believe I do have
I do have one coming up. There will be
[1:17:14] one posting
>> one posting for external. I I'm not sure
[1:17:18] of the years though, like if it's a
one-year position. I have it written
[1:17:23] somewhere.
>> Okay. Okay. Just I just bring that up
[1:17:26] for the shareholders is that we do do
staggered terms at the HHC board of
[1:17:31] directors so that there's always
somebody on the board that knows and
[1:17:34] this year she could possibly get two
brand new directors from council table,
[1:17:39] right? So, um
I I think it's a good system the way it
[1:17:44] works. So
yeah, I could have completely
[1:17:49] a completely new
>> council or two new council
[1:17:54] representatives completely. Yeah,
>> I know for sure one. But yeah. Okay,
[1:18:00] » it'll be fun. Yes. Yes.
>> I'm excited.
[1:18:03] » Yeah.
Okay. And if there's no further com uh
[1:18:08] comments or questions.
Okay, then we'll adjourn this meeting.
[1:18:12] If I can get a mover and a seconder.
Moved by councelor
[1:18:16] uh John Perov, second by councelor Peter
Kissmaker. Be it resolved that the
[1:18:20] annual general meeting of the horn pain
housing corporation is adjourned at 7:19
[1:18:25] p.m. Those in favor that is carried. And
thank you so much, Catherine.
[1:18:32] » Thank you.
>> And we will return to regular council.
[1:18:35] If I can get a mover in a second,
please. Moved by councelor Glenda
[1:18:37] Kissmaker. Second by councelor John
Perov. Be it resolved that council does
[1:18:41] hereby return to the regular council at
7:19 p.m. Those in favor and that is
[1:18:47] carried.
Okay.
[1:18:51] And you're welcome to stay, Catherine,
for the rest of our meeting. And you're
[1:18:54] welcome to sit right where you are.
Okay. And if at any time you want to
[1:18:58] leave, do not feel
>> obligated or anything. Just it's up to
[1:19:02] you.
>> Okay.
[1:19:03] » Okay. Uh adoption of minutes 7.1.
We have uh the adoption of the regular
[1:19:09] meeting of council of August 5th. If I
can get a mover and a second please.
[1:19:12] Moved by councelor John Peroff. Second
by councelor Peter Kissmaker. Be it
[1:19:16] resolved that the council of corporation
of the township of corn does hereby
[1:19:19] adopt the following minutes as
distributed the regular meeting of
[1:19:23] council held on Wednesday August the 5th
2026.
[1:19:27] Any comment or correction to those
minutes? Okay. I'm not seeing any. Those
[1:19:32] in favor and that is carried.
And we have the departmental reports. If
[1:19:37] I can get a mover and a secondary to
open the floor, please. Moved by
[1:19:40] councelor John Perov, second by
councelor Belinda Kmaker. Be it resolved
[1:19:44] that council does hereby acknowledge
receipt of the departmental reports
[1:19:47] provided at the regular meeting of
council held on September 10th, 2026.
[1:19:51] And we're starting off with the CEO's
report. Manuela, would you like to add
[1:19:55] anything to your report?
>> Um, no. I have nothing to add. I think I
[1:19:59] probably have a couple things I'd like
to
[1:20:03] um maybe point out.
Okay. Well, I included a schedule for
[1:20:08] the WSIB excellence program. It'll run
into next year. Um, records management.
[1:20:13] We did quite a bit this summer with the
summer student. So, we did a lot of
[1:20:16] shredding. Um, we now have a records of
destruction. Um, a record of destruction
[1:20:22] which hasn't has been created, which we
didn't have in the past. Um, and
[1:20:26] everything [clears throat] that got
destroyed, it got incorporated into that
[1:20:29] record. um a lot of the historic data
that's been sitting in that winward
[1:20:34] drive is now moving into the Tom Rims
classification
[1:20:38] um system and we're continuing to work
with Nenina to go forward. Um under
[1:20:42] capital the fitness and uh fitness
center and library we're looking to um
[1:20:47] have a groundbreaking I think at the end
of September and we should start um the
[1:20:52] construction in October. the town hall
rena. Um there's a report later. It was
[1:20:57] we had a successful bidder and that will
start later this year. The emergency
[1:21:03] control center. So the emergency funding
that we received um an electronic sign
[1:21:09] has been ordered. It will go at in the
public works yard. It's 3 feet tall by
[1:21:14] 12 ft wide. So, and it'll be up above
the fence, like positioned up above the
[1:21:18] fence so that it's visible from um
people entering either side of the
[1:21:23] highway and also to the community. We
purchased five generators. They've been
[1:21:28] assembled and they're ready to use. Um
CMC training is scheduled for Cindy and
[1:21:33] for Dwayne in September and October. And
the cleanup of the boardroom where the
[1:21:38] control center will be is ongoing. Um
firefall renovations. Sorry, I had a
[1:21:42] typo. says to begin in September. That
RFP is to go out in September. Um
[1:21:47] surplus properties. So the 10 properties
um that were sold
[1:21:53] a couple years ago and were never
developed, we now have ownership again.
[1:21:57] So those properties are 18 Willow, 171
19, 21, and 23 Cedar, 52 4th, 23 Murphy,
[1:22:05] 85 161, and 2113rd. Um and they are on
our website. Two residential properties
[1:22:12] have been sold being 18 spruce street
and 824.
[1:22:16] Um
and AMO conference we had our
[1:22:21] delegations just quickly um there
minister of finance we weren't able to
[1:22:26] get a delegation and I think ministry
minister of infrastructure and we have
[1:22:32] one next week a delegation with them.
Um, and I think other than if anybody
[1:22:37] has questions, that's really all I I
wanted to point out.
[1:22:42] » Okay, I open up the floor for questions
from council.
[1:22:48] » Question. The U fitness center and
library.
[1:22:52] » Yep.
>> It's going to the RFP. It's going to
[1:22:55] start at the end of September.
>> End of September. Beginning of October.
[1:22:58] » October. When uh how long will it take
to complete that? Well, the goal is
[1:23:03] April 2027. I think it'll probably be
closer to May or June. I think it would
[1:23:08] be I think Cindy's working on an
extension um with the funding right now.
[1:23:12] Um
>> just I think it's more reasonable
[1:23:16] but we are trying to put up walls this
fall so that they can work inside this
[1:23:21] winter.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:23:23] » You're welcome. Yeah.
>> Our hotel was built through the winter.
[1:23:26] Y
>> same contractor.
[1:23:29] » Yeah. pretty confident. [clears throat]
Yeah.
[1:23:34] » Okay. Any other further comments or
questions?
[1:23:38] » Okay. I see that the Hallmark Center,
we've got our final court order and
[1:23:42] we're just waiting for transfers.
>> Yes, I missed that one. That was the
[1:23:45] other one I wanted to say. So, yes, the
Hallmark Center, the judge has signed
[1:23:49] off on the court order. Um, and then
we're just waiting for the transfers to
[1:23:53] go through and and then whatever needs
to be written off be written off. So, it
[1:23:56] is ours again.
>> Very short. Not today, very shortly.
[1:24:00] » Okay. Fantastic.
>> So, we did get the 10 properties back.
[1:24:03] We got the Hallmark back. We um I'll
speak to the public works building
[1:24:09] actually when I I Dwayne's not here this
evening, so I'll speak to his report and
[1:24:12] I'll give an update um on the public
works.
[1:24:16] » Okay. So, we should definitely reach out
to um
[1:24:20] uh the ministry that this has happened,
that it's happening because they were
[1:24:25] the ones that gave us the vice back in
two years and ago now to try and get
[1:24:29] this property back. So, that's exciting
to be able to develop it now.
[1:24:32] » Ministry of Northern Development Grove.
>> Yes, it would be George's office now.
[1:24:38] Yeah, it originally was um Minister
Rickard.
[1:24:41] » Yeah. that told us to uh go ahead with
that and of course mister period told us
[1:24:45] to continue with it.
>> Yeah.
[1:24:47] » So that's exciting. Um the tw 10
properties vested back to the township.
[1:24:52] Are we able to um send those properties
to the HHC to see if there's any of
[1:24:57] those properties that we would like use
of?
[1:25:01] » We can. I think they're all vacant land,
but I could be wrong.
[1:25:05] » Okay. just cuz we went through them
before and I'm not sure if they were on
[1:25:08] our [clears throat] list when we were
checking out property.
[1:25:12] » I will review them with Catherine.
>> Okay.
[1:25:16] And the two residential properties that
have been sold, so those are both houses
[1:25:20] or is one vacant land?
>> One's vacant land and the other one is a
[1:25:23] house that's um the plan is to renovate.
>> Oh, fantastic. Okay.
[1:25:29] » This fall.
>> Okay.
[1:25:31] » Yeah.
and the other vacant land there's a plan
[1:25:35] to build to construct on that property.
So,
[1:25:39] » okay.
[1:25:43] Okay. I don't have any further questions
or anything from council.
[1:25:49] Okay. We'll carry on. Thank you, Memo.
Thank you. Okay. And next we have the
[1:25:53] CFO, Cindy. Would you like to add
anything to your report or
[1:25:58] » um just a little bit?
>> Okay. Just a note that the 2025 aud
[1:26:03] financial statements have now been
received. I did put expected but because
[1:26:06] of today we have received them. Um
they're not on our website yet but that
[1:26:11] will happen. Um excuse me. Um in the
variance reporting actual budget we've
[1:26:18] been provided everything up to the end
of July. Um so it's seven out of 12
[1:26:24] months which is around 58%
uh of the year if you go by the months.
[1:26:30] Um something to note the budget amount
column is the full year budget. We don't
[1:26:36] break it down by month by month. Um
quite um certain of our um expenditures
[1:26:42] don't go on a monthby-month basis. Might
and same with the revenues we don't
[1:26:46] always get it month by month. Might be
July and October. So those kinds of
[1:26:50] things. So you might see timing
differences if you're trying to identif
[1:26:57] and there's also um potentially some
codes that have not been identified yet
[1:27:02] that need to move from one budget or one
to another.
[1:27:08] So there's more analysis to be done
before
[1:27:12] say we've got everything in this right
place. Okay.
[1:27:21] I think that's it.
>> Okay. Do we have any questions for the
[1:27:25] CFO?
[1:27:30] » I just have one question about the uh
FIR.
[1:27:34] » If is September 30th beyond the
deadline?
[1:27:39] » No.
>> For when it has to be okay.
[1:27:41] » No, that's the Well, that's the deadline
for NH. Okay. And then if we did go
[1:27:47] beyond that payments from Olympia just
delayed everything so much they wouldn't
[1:27:53] go away. They' just be delayed but u we
will
[1:27:57] » Okay. that I I believe the ministry um
their preferred deadline is May 31st but
[1:28:03] the September 30th deadline is at the
point where they'll start to hold your
[1:28:07] PS fund.
>> Okay. Okay.
[1:28:10] So, uh, we're still trying to plan ahead
that eventually we're going to get our
[1:28:14] audit done earlier and then get so we're
on a better circle or cycle and we're
[1:28:20] not at the last minute. Okay.
>> Y
[1:28:22] » Okay. And I'm not That's still fault.
Take it that way.
[1:28:30] » Okay. Any other questions or concerns?
[1:28:37] Okay. Thank you.
>> [clears throat]
[1:28:40] » We might have questions when we get to
the information only, but when we get to
[1:28:44] the variance report. So,
[1:28:48] okay. So, moving on to Jennifer Hill,
the clerk. Jen, do you have anything you
[1:28:52] want to add to your report?
>> I do. Okay.
[1:28:54] » Um, so
the election update, I'm still working
[1:28:59] on finalizing polls. Uh, Linda at the
hospital has been off, I think, on
[1:29:04] vacation. So, when she gets back, we
will have the dates for the advanced
[1:29:09] polls.
Um,
[1:29:14] the IT update,
uh, I didn't put in my report, but part
[1:29:20] of that was changing the setup for
streaming council meetings. So, I
[1:29:25] apologize for the tech stuff today, and
I'm sure that there's going to be a few
[1:29:28] kinks that we have to finish working
out. But uh
[1:29:32] it is no longer melting my computer. So
that's good. [laughter]
[1:29:38] » Is that for example, is that a new
process with the Do we have a new
[1:29:43] process? Is that
>> a fully brand new process for uh
[1:29:45] » with encompass?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So we have um a previous
[1:29:50] computer from the um
economic development
[1:29:55] » [laughter and clears throat]
>> uh office. a couple [cough] extras from
[1:30:00] the intern, I think is what she was
called. But
[1:30:03] » yes,
>> um so there was one that she had used
[1:30:05] briefly but was in good condition and
was powerful enough. So now it's sitting
[1:30:09] under council table um and it's very
small and it's connected so it's uh
[1:30:14] that's running all the streaming
software. Uh you'll also for the viewers
[1:30:18] notice that the um background for the
YouTube videos looks different because I
[1:30:24] had to create a new one for the new
computer. Um
[1:30:28] hopefully everyone likes it. [laughter]
And then um
[1:30:35] uh for the service Ontario update. So we
are still in the process of hiring. That
[1:30:41] is still posted until September 18th.
Um we do have We have been closed since
[1:30:48] um
this past Tuesday, I think.
[1:30:54] » Yeah,
>> the previous Tuesday. Previous Tuesday.
[1:30:56] Yes, the first. Sorry. Um, and
uh, I got word today, I believe, that
[1:31:05] Service Ontario is going to be sending
people. Sorry, yesterday afternoon I got
[1:31:10] word uh, Service Ontario will be sending
people from
[1:31:14] uh, a different location to work from 11
to 3 next Wednesday, Thursday, and the
[1:31:19] Wednesday Thursday after that. Uh, the
information has been posted.
[1:31:23] » So, they're helping to minimize uh,
the service disruptions and then
[1:31:30] hopefully we will be starting to train
someone on September 28th. Uh which will
[1:31:35] still be quite some time before it will
be fully operational. It's a lot of
[1:31:39] training, but
we will likely have staff coming up to
[1:31:44] train them here anyway. So hopefully the
disruptions won't be for too long.
[1:31:48] » Okay, fantastic. I'm glad that they are
bringing somebody into town and um
[1:31:55] because there was a service disruption.
If there's anyone with expired
[1:32:00] licenses or something like that that
happened and they couldn't get out of
[1:32:03] town, is is that something they can
address with them when they're here?
[1:32:07] » They can. Um it wouldn't stop, for
example, if like the police were to pull
[1:32:13] them over. It wouldn't absolve them
because they it would have been you
[1:32:17] should do it months in advance or go to
a different center. So, White River is
[1:32:21] still operational um purse.
So unfortunately that is still the case
[1:32:26] but people will be able to get their
stuff done when they're here.
[1:32:30] » Okay. Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:32:34] And I can take any questions.
>> Yeah. So any questions for the clerk?
[1:32:45] I'm not seeing any. Jim.
>> Well, I'm glad you're getting through
[1:32:49] the it. Like we said earlier, I love it
until it doesn't work. And I'm not the
[1:32:54] person to get involved with it cuz I
just get frustrated and I'm like
[1:32:59] something gets too far gone with my
computer and I just want to get a new
[1:33:02] one. [laughter]
Something goes wrong with my phone and
[1:33:05] it's got too not enough storage. I'm
like it's time for a new one. [laughter]
[1:33:10] » Yeah. Go ahead. I
>> I just wanted to add um in the week that
[1:33:13] I was away at AO um we did have a new IT
company come in. So I'm not sure that
[1:33:18] council is even aware that we've changed
IT companies. We do have a new company.
[1:33:22] Um, Jennifer and Cindy were instrumental
in working with them to get everything
[1:33:26] set up seamlessly. So, if you notice any
hiccups in any of of your devices or
[1:33:31] emails or I don't think that anybody on
council even noticed, I think it was
[1:33:35] seamless.
>> Um, which is good. And but if you do
[1:33:39] have any problems in the near future,
just let any one of us know so that we
[1:33:43] can make sure to direct it to the IT and
get it fixed right away.
[1:33:47] » Okay. Perfect. Okay. Thank you, Jim. and
we'll move on to the public works
[1:33:52] manager report and I you have addition.
Yes. Okay.
[1:33:56] » Um I don't have a well I do have an
addition but I just wanted to quickly
[1:34:00] review it. So third Avenue project as we
all know is um pretty much complete.
[1:34:04] There are some street light repairs to
happen and we are looking at the lines
[1:34:08] because that one white line we believe
needs to be moved over about a foot. So
[1:34:13] the walking lane is a little bit wider.
Um the library fitness expansion will be
[1:34:18] starting. Um they're just finishing up
the design.
[1:34:22] 18 Becker is about 75% now moved over to
19 Becker. So that cleanup is
[1:34:28] continuing. Um the environmental cleanup
that's actually my addition. Um so the
[1:34:34] environmental cleanup from 19 Becker has
been completed and thee is satisfied
[1:34:39] with all the efforts and the total cost
of that effort was $21,548.7.
[1:34:46] So very different from the millions of
dollars that have been reported on
[1:34:49] Facebook and other social media. It's
contrary. It works out to about $21 per
[1:34:55] person in town. Um
>> little different little difference than
[1:34:59] Yeah.
>> So I just wanted to make that very
[1:35:01] clear. That number is $21,548.7
[1:35:06] was the cost to clean up the small oil
spill in behind the new garage.
[1:35:12] » Okay.
>> So that that's a good news story.
[1:35:15] » That is That is a really good news
place for employees.
[1:35:20] » Yes. And um the pavilion park washrooms
are about 95% completed. So we're we're
[1:35:25] just waiting on door closures and some
solar lighting um for the front for
[1:35:30] nighttime use. And I don't know if
council noticed, but there is now a flag
[1:35:34] also by the pavilion. So I think that
Canada flag looks great there. And um
[1:35:39] there are also goalie lights around the
the pavilion so they change colors. Um
[1:35:44] so we can have them for different events
throughout the year whether it's
[1:35:47] Halloween or Christmas Canada Day um
>> or or whatever events we have going on
[1:35:53] that we'd like to highlight. Sorry.
>> And some proclamations will request that
[1:35:56] we light municipal buildings.
>> Sorry. Yes, absolutely. Any of the
[1:36:01] proclamations. We have a second set that
needs to go on this building. I don't
[1:36:04] think that's happened yet, but hopefully
we'll be able to address it this fall.
[1:36:08] Okay, good job.
>> Cool.
[1:36:11] » Yeah.
>> Yeah,
[1:36:12] » that's it.
>> And I see that the arena is getting
[1:36:17] ready to have ice put on it.
>> Yes.
[1:36:19] » As well.
>> Yes.
[1:36:20] » Okay.
>> For October 1st.
[1:36:23] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[1:36:26] » And um just for the uh sorry I might be
on the wrong report now. Uh for the
[1:36:31] opening, are we doing anything for the
groundbreaking? Sorry. I I will let
[1:36:38] council know once I have details. I'm
waiting to hear back from um MP Terry
[1:36:43] Shehan from M PP um Bill Rosenberg's
office. Um I want to reach out to
[1:36:49] Minister Perry to make sure that
everybody can come and if they can then
[1:36:52] we might want to
>> have a discussion about maybe changing
[1:36:55] the date to when they can.
>> Okay. I think what does council feel? We
[1:37:00] want
>> or do you want more?
[1:37:02] » Do we want people here for the
groundbreaking
[1:37:05] » for the end of September, October?
>> Yeah,
[1:37:08] » if we can. Yeah, that would be great.
>> Yeah. So, if we can work somewhere.
[1:37:11] » So, I've reached out. I'm waiting to
hear back. Once I've heard back, I will
[1:37:15] email council.
>> I'm just excited to see you get started.
[1:37:18] » Yes. Yes. [laughter]
We all are. For sure.
[1:37:21] » Yeah. Okay. Yep. For sure.
>> Carlers are going to have their
[1:37:26] lobby back. Yes.
>> Yes. Yes. And just a comment on that. Um
[1:37:31] just about the curling club with the
beam.
[1:37:34] » I've reached out to Eric Villanov from
Villanov Engineering. Um I'm waiting to
[1:37:39] get [clears throat] timeline from him.
So I I can't comment on it because I
[1:37:43] don't have an answer for him.
>> Okay. Are we hopeful it might be before
[1:37:47] the curling season?
>> I'm hoping. I'm pushing.
[1:37:49] » Okay. Okay.
>> I'm not hoping that I'm pushing. I am
[1:37:53] pushing and [laughter] I'm hopeful that
it will be successful.
[1:37:58] Okay,
>> we we all know that I can push pretty
[1:38:00] hard.
>> Okay,
[1:38:03] » you're unleashed. We go. [laughter]
[1:38:08] » Okay, if there's any is there any
further questions for the public works
[1:38:12] manager?
>> Okay, there being none, if I can get um
[1:38:19] uh a vote to accept the acknowledge
receipt of the reports. Those in favor
[1:38:23] and that is carried.
Okay, moving on to correspondence action
[1:38:28] items 9.1.
We have the Horn Paint Snow Bear
[1:38:32] Snowmobile Club second annual quad
scavenger hunt and bingo hunt.
[1:38:40] They are looking for a donation
[1:38:47] to my questions.
[1:38:51] Oh, right there.
[1:38:57] So, I open up the floor for discussion
from council.
[1:39:02] Go ahead.
>> I attended the first one uh and uh I
[1:39:05] thought it was well attended, extremely
well organized and an awful lot of fun.
[1:39:10] It was uh great for Horn Payne and
Adette did an amazing job and all the
[1:39:15] the people that were helping her and uh
I'm sure this year is going to be even
[1:39:19] better than last year.
Yeah, I agree.
[1:39:24] » It brought in a lot of people.
>> Absolutely.
[1:39:26] » To town and it highlighted our hotel and
it was Yeah,
[1:39:30] » very nice.
>> It was very It was a lot of fun.
[1:39:33] [clears throat]
>> Mhm.
[1:39:38] » Okay. Any further comments or questions?
>> Okay. Just to direct the discussion. So,
[1:39:45] do we have room in our budget to give
anything right now?
[1:39:51] Sorry.
>> Yes. Um there's so far in 2026 there's
[1:39:55] been a $500 donation already processed.
There is to my understanding a $1,000 um
[1:40:02] commitment for the Santa Claus which is
an ongoing I guess annual thing. So
[1:40:08] there's 1500 there out of the 4,000 that
has already been identified as um spent
[1:40:14] if you want to call it that. Um the
other question had to do with related to
[1:40:19] this had to do with inind donations
which we talked about prior. They're not
[1:40:24] budgeted for in in the sense that we've
included that in the budget. It's not a
[1:40:28] cash transaction in any event. It's
really good just an entry for us to
[1:40:33] record how much it's in lost revenue
there is by doing an inind say waving of
[1:40:39] fees at the uh arena for for hockey or
some of the other events that have been
[1:40:45] um agreed to that they can have the
facility for no cost. So um in that
[1:40:52] sense we've um recorded or sorry we've
calculated we haven't done any
[1:40:56] recordings in our general ledger. You
won't see it in your grant reports at
[1:40:59] all in any form but um we've calculated
uh just a little over $3,300
[1:41:07] of inind revenues that have been waved
um for people who
[1:41:14] » Okay. So in the line item under the
budget cash amount though there should
[1:41:18] be you said it was 5,000 or 4,000
>> total was included in the budget and
[1:41:23] 1,500 is
>> okay. So we have 2500 remaining.
[1:41:29] » Okay. So we do have 2500 remaining.
Is there a proposed amount on the floor
[1:41:36] for a donation?
>> What did we donate last year?
[1:41:41] » We
>> I don't believe we donated. No
[1:41:43] precedence right now for it.
[1:41:48] » I don't think we were asked last year.
>> No.
[1:41:52] » And was the Horn Fire Department
involved last year? There was.
[1:41:55] » Yeah.
>> They were.
[1:41:57] » Mhm.
>> They were washing.
[1:42:00] » This was an added feature.
>> Yeah. After you got out mud, they would
[1:42:04] wash it out for for a donation.
>> That actually was a really good idea.
[1:42:08] » Yeah.
>> Oh, fantastic.
[1:42:11] I like that idea. Support our own fire
department.
[1:42:15] » It's a big big thing.
>> Yeah.
[1:42:17] » So,
[1:42:24] » well, propose a number, council. Don't
wait for me. [laughter]
[1:42:27] » How much was on the
>> We have 2500 left in our budget. I'm not
[1:42:32] sure if we have any other items coming
forward. We usually
[1:42:37] » the the Christmas thing is already
accounted for.
[1:42:40] » That's already accounted for. Yeah.
>> And then we do put our name on the
[1:42:45] curling club ice. Is that out of our
donations?
[1:42:49] » Um I I'm not sure.
>> Okay.
[1:42:52] » I would you are going to get um more
requests for donations before the end of
[1:42:58] the year I would imagine. Um I I can't
remember off the top of my head. Do you
[1:43:02] remember who who I've asked in the past?
>> Last year.
[1:43:07] » Last year there was kids sport for 500.
There was
[1:43:12] cal
just at the 500
[1:43:17] » and
>> that's the food bank. So we definitely
[1:43:19] need to
>> yeah hold back that up.
[1:43:21] » So that was done in 2025
>> kids was that was autism
[1:43:28] » I believe. I can't tell.
>> Okay.
[1:43:30] » I'm just trying to think of the I think
the week might have it's coming again.
[1:43:36] » I'm good with 500.
>> Yeah,
[1:43:38] » I'm good with that, too, if that's
available.
[1:43:41] » Okay.
>> Yeah. I'm just thinking I I'm like we
[1:43:46] have
we did 500 to the food bank.
[1:43:50] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[1:43:52] » 500 to kids seems to be the go-to
number.
[1:43:55] » Yeah. I'm just uh I would be willing
give a thousand because it is their
[1:44:00] second. We didn't give last year and
>> I that's just my thinking on it and say
[1:44:05] that like we didn't give last year. we
didn't have the opportunity. And I think
[1:44:09] that also with in um to send our
donation policy so they get their asks
[1:44:16] in earlier because we might be able to
really spread out our branding as an
[1:44:21] inkind donation too for things like I
would like to see the township be able
[1:44:27] to have if it's part if they give out
loot bags. I don't I don't want to get
[1:44:30] in the involvement of it, but
>> Yeah.
[1:44:34] » Yeah.
>> I I kind of snickered when you said that
[1:44:37] because that's the exact number I had in
my mind.
[1:44:39] » Oh, and you didn't speak it.
>> I didn't [laughter] I was trying to see
[1:44:42] where everybody else was.
[1:44:46] » Sorry. That's all. But yeah, I'm fine
with that actually. So, or somewhere in
[1:44:51] between.
>> Well, money stays right in town and it's
[1:44:54] such a great draw for the hotel. And uh
and on another note, the the Scoo Club,
[1:45:00] they do an awful lot of there's an awful
lot of hours being put in for and it's
[1:45:04] volunteer 100%
>> volunteer.
[1:45:06] » Mhm.
>> And they are not they're not getting the
[1:45:08] funds like they used to from the um um
Scoo like the organization, the
[1:45:14] association. So I'd be fine with a
thousand as well.
[1:45:17] » Okay. And then that leaves us 1,500 left
for any other upcoming. So, um,
[1:45:25] okay. So, um, I do have a the staff did
prep prepare me a motion. I'll read it
[1:45:31] out first and then we can get them over
in a second. Uh, be it resolved that
[1:45:35] council does hereby authorize a donation
of $1,000 to the Hornpane Snowmobile
[1:45:40] Snow Bear Snowmobile Club for their
second annual quad scavenger bingo hunt
[1:45:44] in support of the Hornpane Fire
Department and the Horn Snow Snow Bear
[1:45:48] Snowmobile Club. Oh my goodness, I had a
hard time. And it did have an empty spot
[1:45:52] there. So I just put in the thousand.
Everyone's good with that motion. Okay.
[1:45:57] I'll get a mover and a seconder for it.
Moved by John Perov, second by Peter
[1:46:01] Kistaker. And I won't reread it again.
Those in favor and that is carried.
[1:46:07] Okay. So um yeah, I would just
definitely send sincere thanks from
[1:46:13] council. We're glad to see that um
the community members feel inspired to
[1:46:20] do things and welcome people to our
community and they have a place to they
[1:46:23] can stay and I'm excited to see and hear
about how great it is. If I had a quad,
[1:46:28] I would I would uh participate, but I
don't have one of those. [laughter]
[1:46:33] » I I can honestly see this event getting
bigger.
[1:46:36] » Yes. Yes.
>> You know, and uh even like they're at
[1:46:39] the center of Ontario. They're they're
everywhere on our trails like
[1:46:45] everywhere. So it it's a big thing.
They're using our centers. They're it's
[1:46:50] to me it can get bigger.
>> Yeah. And I do think, you know, when we
[1:46:53] went to the um sportsman show last year,
I do think that's something we should
[1:46:59] discuss as a pivot as really looking at
the investment areas where we can go to
[1:47:05] find further investment because when we
were at the sportsman show, the booth
[1:47:09] behind us was another developer and we
ended up making that contact and had two
[1:47:14] other meetings with them and um and our
booth was really busy. I have to give a
[1:47:19] shout out to Odet and Deni and uh it was
busy. It was a it was a really good
[1:47:24] place to showcase our community and the
one thing that kept coming up was um the
[1:47:31] quality of our snowmobile trails but
people looking for places to at ATV with
[1:47:38] uh safety of their families. That's what
they were looking because some of the
[1:47:41] places that people can go it's quite
congested because those are the only
[1:47:45] places, right?
>> So um I would be definitely in favor of
[1:47:50] us supporting that and having a
delegation of different people like we
[1:47:53] did. The three of us worked really well
together and and our booth looked
[1:47:57] fantastic with all our new branding and
the stuff that uh the snowmo uh the
[1:48:02] snowmobile club brought in the hotel. So
>> yeah. So yeah, I'm excited. Maybe I'll
[1:48:09] borrow a quad [laughter] or I might get
stuck or not know how to drive it. I
[1:48:16] haven't driven one since I was a
teenager.
[1:48:17] » Guys like to use a wenches. So if you
get stock
[1:48:20] » Oh, I'd be rescued. Oh, [laughter]
>> that's funny.
[1:48:25] » Okay. Okay. Moving on to 9.2 is support
for sustainable provincial grant funding
[1:48:30] for fire services Ontario. If I can get
a mover in a second, please. Moved by
[1:48:35] councelor Peter Kissmaker, second by
councelor John Perov. Whereas the
[1:48:39] township of Hornpane relies on its
volunteer fire service to provide
[1:48:42] essential emergency response and fire
protection services in a rural and
[1:48:47] remote community and whereas
municipalities are responsible for
[1:48:50] meeting proincially mandated fire
protection requirements largely through
[1:48:54] local property taxation. Therefore, be
it resolved that the council of the
[1:48:58] corporation of the township of Hornpane
support the town of Plymouth, Wyoming's
[1:49:03] resolution calling on the province of
Ontario to establish permanent, stable,
[1:49:07] predictable, and non-competitive
provincial funding for municipal fire
[1:49:12] services, including operational
readiness and training costs. Be a
[1:49:16] further resolve that this resolution be
forwarded to the premier of Ontario, the
[1:49:20] minister of the solicitor general, the
minister of municipal affairs and
[1:49:24] housing, Bill Rosenberg, MPP for Alma,
Manatulan, AO Roma, and the town of
[1:49:30] Plymouth, Wyoming.
And I just have one question to the
[1:49:35] resolution.
None of these
[1:49:40] U ministers, well, you don't have their
names anyway.
[1:49:44] the the shuffle happened today. So I was
but the names aren't there so it doesn't
[1:49:48] matter.
>> If I may you'll actually notice I
[1:49:50] started changing the resolutions from
having names to just saying premier or
[1:49:55] minister
because some of the time it would get
[1:49:59] shuffled before we'd send it and then it
would be so now I just have titles.
[1:50:03] » That's perfect. Yes.
>> Okay. And uh I strongly believe in this
[1:50:10] resolution.
Um
[1:50:14] those in favor and that is carried.
Okay. 9.3 Federation of Northern Ontario
[1:50:21] Municipalities Spenom request for
municipal support prescriptive divers
[1:50:26] diver diversion program. Gosh
if I can get a mover in a second please
[1:50:31] councel. Moved by councelor Peter
Kismator. Second by councelor John
[1:50:34] Perov. Whereas the township of foreign
pain recognizes the need to protect
[1:50:38] patients and the public from diversion
diversion of prescribed safer supply
[1:50:44] medications. And whereas the
prescription diversion project and
[1:50:48] addiction medicine Canada are requesting
strengthened prescribing expectations
[1:50:53] for safer supply medications in Ontario.
Therefore, be it resolved that the
[1:50:57] council of the corporation of the
township of hornne supports the request
[1:51:00] that the college of physicians and
surgeons of Ontario require directly
[1:51:04] observed consumption of safer supply
medications by a regulated health care
[1:51:09] professional and establish a maximum
daily dose equivalent to 5 mg
[1:51:14] hydromorphone tablets. Be further
resolved that this resolution be
[1:51:18] forwarded to the college of physicians
and surgeons of Ontario, the health
[1:51:22] minister of health and deputy premier
phenomen and the prescription diversion
[1:51:27] project co-chairs.
Okay. Any uh comment on that?
[1:51:38] » I open the floor. Go ahead, Kelsey.
>> I'm not even sure what that all means. I
[1:51:42] don't feel qualified to even make.
Yeah, that's kind of how I felt too was
[1:51:48] I'm concerned that
first of all, if we don't have the the
[1:51:54] people in place to be able to monitor
and then people are not going to receive
[1:52:00] their dose, I I so I I would I would
actually like to defer this till I
[1:52:07] because I I really don't know enough to
support it.
[1:52:12] » Yeah, absolutely.
>> If council. Uh, so I do need a motion to
[1:52:16] defer, right? So, um, I'll put a motion
to defer 9.3
[1:52:22] to, um,
I think the November or a meeting in the
[1:52:28] future
um to bring back to council. So, if a
[1:52:33] mover and a seconder for that, please.
Moved by councelor John Perov, second by
[1:52:36] councelor Peter Kismaker. I was going to
say you have uh councelor Peter
[1:52:41] Kissmaker moving it and seconding it for
the original ones. We can keep them.
[1:52:45] » Oh, okay. We can keep that way. Okay.
>> So, those in favor of the deferral and
[1:52:50] that is carried. May I ask a question?
>> Yes. Um so, I received this item from
[1:52:57] Phenomena. I also was confused by it,
but I wanted to bring it to council and
[1:53:02] uh see if you guys had any if you wanted
me to ask for further information or if
[1:53:06] there's anything Cuz
[1:53:16] when you're talking eight pills of so
many milligrams, 8 milligram
[1:53:21] hydromemorphine, I I take it that's the
replacement for if you have a
[1:53:26] » Yes.
>> a substance abuse like an addiction.
[1:53:28] [clears throat]
[1:53:32] » Yeah. I am certainly not qualified
enough to know about the
[1:53:36] » no
>> um dosages.
[1:53:43] [clears throat]
[1:53:55] Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm wondering if we
um
[1:53:59] is this something that we can reach out
to the our health unit about and ask
[1:54:03] them and then bring that information
back like our local I'm just worried
[1:54:08] that I like
>> thankfully you know like we we do see
[1:54:12] homelessness and horn pain where people
are having a difficulty finding places
[1:54:17] [snorts] to live for work or they're
sleeping in their car or they're couch
[1:54:20] surfing or they're sharing you know one
house
[1:54:23] but I'm not sure if this is related to
that and I just I feel really ill
[1:54:28] informed of what I'm supporting. So I
think that would be the area to reach
[1:54:35] out to them and ask them and they would
give us better clarity on it. I think
[1:54:39] » absolutely.
>> Council, you in favor of that?
[1:54:41] » Yes.
>> Yeah.
[1:54:42] » Yeah.
>> And then you can bring it back once we
[1:54:45] have that information.
>> Yeah. Yeah. cuz I'm I'm at a loss.
[1:54:54] And maybe when we do bring it back, it
might end up feeding into our
[1:55:00] community safety.
>> Mhm. Well,
[1:55:02] » well-being. So,
>> that has come up.
[1:55:05] » Yes.
Okay. So, that deferred and moving to
[1:55:10] correspondence information only. If I
can get a mover and a seconder to open
[1:55:14] the floor, please. Moved by councelor
Peter Kissmaker, second by councelor
[1:55:19] John Perov. Be it resolved that council
does hereby no receipt of the correspond
[1:55:22] correspondence
information information only packet
[1:55:26] attached at the agenda the regular
meeting of council held on Thursday
[1:55:29] September 10th 2026.
Okay. Any comments on the
[1:55:36] agenda packet or the correspondence
only? Go ahead.
[1:55:38] » Um I did want to mention item 10.3.
That's uh the library's trunk or treat
[1:55:43] event for 2026. Um I imagine for the
obvious reason council will not be
[1:55:50] participating.
Um however, I am more than happy to
[1:55:55] participate on the townships. Uh
>> I think the office should Yeah.
[1:55:59] » Yeah. I usually do for the office, but I
uh am happy to again this year. Um, but
[1:56:06] I did still include the invitation so
that council is aware that it is
[1:56:11] happening.
>> Just invite any other employees that
[1:56:16] might want to join in.
>> Yeah, of course.
[1:56:18] » Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you for that, Jen.
[1:56:27] » Okay. Any other comments on the
information only
[1:56:34] » our election [clears throat] 26
>> October 26th.
[1:56:38] » Okay. So this be an initiation for you
in the council.
[1:56:42] » It could I mean if council wants us to
prepare [laughter]
[1:56:47] the decorations for a vehicle for trunk
for trunk retreat.
[1:56:52] » Do we get to pick their costumes?
[laughter]
[1:56:57] be careful. We're like dressing
ourselves. [laughter]
[1:57:03] » Oh man,
[1:57:07] okay. I do have some comments on um I
want to say thank you to Cindy for uh
[1:57:12] putting in the variance report. I liked
seeing that on the agenda and being able
[1:57:17] to go through and I think it's I I just
want to see that and so that we're on
[1:57:23] top of it and thank you for that. So
much appreciated.
[1:57:29] What else was there? Something else.
[1:57:41] Okay. I I thought I had saw it on here.
I just wanted to highlight I could
[1:57:45] highlight as committee board updates but
um there's a consultation process open
[1:57:50] right now with AMO and I participated
yesterday and it's about the new
[1:57:56] integrity commissioner and code of
conduct processes and the definitions
[1:58:00] and it was really well done. I have to a
shout out to AMO for um them
[1:58:06] highlighting it. There is another one
coming up. I believe it's in your emails
[1:58:11] and there's a there's a a longer
consultation process to put in comments.
[1:58:17] And why I wanted to flag this for
council was that um
[1:58:23] some of the suggestions are to have
annual training definitely training on a
[1:58:28] new council. But my and I agree with
that. I agree with annual training. I
[1:58:33] agree with the training of new council.
My concern is is that um who's going to
[1:58:39] pay for those costs? And if the
government's defining the qualifications
[1:58:44] of an integrity commissioner, I agree
that the government should provide a
[1:58:48] list that we just get out of that
completely and they just provide us the
[1:58:52] list and we pick every four or five
years, you know, or put the RFP out and
[1:58:56] they have to be on the list. Um then
that saves us costs because we're not
[1:59:01] doing that background research. They've
already been vetted. But then with the
[1:59:05] training because we've seen this with
the fire department already that they
[1:59:10] put in new regulations and new
qualification standards and we we have
[1:59:15] to foot the bill. So I just encourage
you to look at your email for that and
[1:59:21] the registry is open I believe till the
end of the month for the uh to comment
[1:59:27] on those items and um and we we saw it
we saw it with the policing boards
[1:59:33] there's more cost there and these are,
you know,
[1:59:38] and I think I I agree with the training.
I think if there was a provincewide
[1:59:42] webinar that you had to take annually
and it was, you know, 45 bucks per
[1:59:46] person and it was simplified and like
that would work. And then a bigger
[1:59:51] training every time we have a new uh
council coming that would be like with a
[1:59:56] bit of a more in-depth training. So
every fourth year you have a more
[1:59:59] in-depth training at a cost of say 150 a
person or something. and it's a webinar
[2:00:04] based, but I just and I'd like to see it
standardized. So, I encourage council to
[2:00:10] just look at that. And I'm sorry I
thought for some reason I saw it on the
[2:00:13] information only as a tagline,
but
[2:00:18] and I guess could I ask you, Jen, could
you find that from AMO and shoot it back
[2:00:23] out to council so they have those links?
>> Yeah.
[2:00:25] » Yeah. It came in our emails this
morning. Yesterday
[2:00:29] » I got it. You got it again yesterday.
>> Yeah. Wednesday. Wednesday morning at
[2:00:32] 9:05 a.m.
>> Okay. So, the yesterday's one was great.
[2:00:36] And then [clears throat] is it showing
you the next webinar one?
[2:00:39] » Friday, September 11th.
>> Friday, September 11th. So, tomorrow you
[2:00:44] can take it again.
>> Yes.
[2:00:45] » Yeah. And it was really [clears throat]
it was good. But the does it tell you
[2:00:48] the um
from when you can comment on the
[2:00:54] government's registry?
>> Uh I did see it here. Monday, September
[2:01:01] 14th.
>> Okay. So, anyway, even if you have the
[2:01:04] time, if you can go in and click, put
your name down, and it's really about we
[2:01:08] want the training, but we can't like
small municipalities cannot afford these
[2:01:12] costs of bringing like the thing that
got me was I'm like, "Okay, so we're
[2:01:16] going to hire an integrity commissioner,
and are we paying the rates of an
[2:01:19] integrity commissioner to come and give
us training annually?" like I it was um
[2:01:26] but I do think like having the training
is important having the fouryear
[2:01:30] in-depth training but we have to come
with a complete plan of how that
[2:01:35] training would be ser like um delivered
so anyway so it's not on this list but
[2:01:42] thank you John for getting that email
out and uh any further comments on the
[2:01:48] information only
okay they're reading I uh put that to a
[2:01:53] vote to receive for information
and that's carried.
[2:01:59] Okay. Committee and board updates
[2:02:06] and I'll start with you Mr. Perov.
[2:02:11] » I don't have anything to report other
than I think you're going to talk about
[2:02:15] the meeting we had yesterday.
>> Yes. Okay.
[2:02:18] » Other than that I don't have anything
else to report.
[2:02:22] Okay, great. Fantastic. Councelor,
>> I got nothing new to report as well.
[2:02:26] » Okay, perfect. Councelor Kmaker Binda,
>> well, I went to the AO conference and
[2:02:32] I'm really glad I went. It was very,
very busy. Um, the details I think I
[2:02:37] will leave up to you guys. Um, uh, I am
excited that, um, I must admit I am
[2:02:45] excited that we have that meeting with
IE over next week.
[2:02:51] um because I have been bugging steady
and uh now we do have a meeting with
[2:02:55] them and uh to me that's a start going
forward. So
[2:02:59] » so I just wanted to add that meeting was
a direct [clears throat] result of um
[2:03:03] councelor Kissmaker speaking with ISO at
the April conference.
[2:03:08] » So I'm very happy with that.
>> Okay. Good. Good.
[2:03:13] » And you enjoyed you had
>> I learned a lot.
[2:03:16] » You learned a lot.
>> We were very busy.
[2:03:18] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[2:03:20] And uh no, it was worth going. I'm glad
I went.
[2:03:24] » Okay, fantastic. Yeah.
Um so for updates. Yes. So AMO was uh
[2:03:31] fantastic. I have to say uh it was the
best AMO that I had ever been to.
[2:03:38] um for a few different reasons. Was the
atmosphere meeting with the ministers
[2:03:44] was very similar to when they had first
got elected back in 2018 2019
[2:03:52] » and um and taken the the government. So
it so that was exciting to me. And then
[2:03:58] when we um and that they had the funding
envelope come out for communities with
[2:04:03] no development charges because they're
listening because we were getting left
[2:04:08] out from big infrastructure dollars. So
um and then the um just the
[2:04:18] I can't even wrap my mind around it
because I had never I I guess I'd
[2:04:23] explain it this way. So when I went in
2019,
[2:04:26] that kind of feeling was there. And then
every year since then, it's been good,
[2:04:31] but it kind of dissipated away. I guess
they got into their jobs, their roles,
[2:04:35] got inundated like we all do, like, oh
my goodness, maybe this isn't what I
[2:04:39] signed up for, sort of feeling. And now
I feel like they're coming out of it and
[2:04:43] it's it's really uh they're looking at
investment expansion definitely by
[2:04:48] Ontario, by Canada and trying to protect
um and grow our economic base and um and
[2:04:55] then the other um part that I really
enjoyed being there was the people we
[2:05:02] got to meet and they were responsive to
us like we they were
[2:05:06] » excited to see us, wanted to talk to us
and um and it was overall just uh a good
[2:05:12] atmosphere. So I was yeah I was really I
and I said it several times it was the
[2:05:17] best AMO conference that I had ever
attended and uh it was well organized
[2:05:21] and and they opened up the trade floor
upstairs is bigger. It's expanded so
[2:05:26] they put the registration down on the
main floor and then so you had the full
[2:05:30] old trade floor area but then the upper
level too. So they had I think it was
[2:05:35] all their maybe their gold sponsors or
whatever in the main floor and they had
[2:05:39] a nice sitting area so you could sit and
chat in there and um yeah it was really
[2:05:43] good and um and we were able to vote uh
Roger Sangu and Kathleen from West Ning
[2:05:51] in for our
uh delegate. So yeah, and uh so from
[2:05:59] AMO, I think Manuela's report highlights
some of the follow-ups that uh need to
[2:06:04] be done and that we have one more
meeting coming up
[2:06:07] » and um
and from there uh it's been busy since
[2:06:14] like I said yesterday in the meetings, I
was only on day two of this week and I
[2:06:18] couldn't remember the long weekend I
had. [laughter]
[2:06:20] It was one after another yesterday. I
think I missed lunch and the it was yeah
[2:06:25] between work and meetings and then work
and yeah so it was crazy day but but uh
[2:06:30] first I wanted to highlight was the
northeast superiors may marriage group
[2:06:33] so we had that in the morning and um I
forwarded uh some information to Manuela
[2:06:39] about it and uh we had a group come in
that are looking at transporting propane
[2:06:47] and they want to have more delivery
centers in Northern Ontario that are
[2:06:52] link to rail. So, um I've requested that
she reach out and we have this
[2:06:57] conversation with them and we get this
moving forward for our community because
[2:07:01] if we do move forward uh with waste
resource or even the new appetite again
[2:07:07] for a spur, these are more people that
could use that uh facility off the CN's
[2:07:13] main line.
>> So, so that was really an exciting
[2:07:16] project. We have the slides for that.
Are they going to be on our October
[2:07:19] meeting? I'm requesting that they come
for that if they can.
[2:07:23] » That would be fantastic. So, we'll be
able to start a dialogue with them and
[2:07:28] um and they're uh a newer company that's
uh bridging out into Northern Ontario.
[2:07:34] So, that was pretty exciting. Um the
other thing that we uh talked about in
[2:07:38] the past and I said let's continue that
conversation is transportation routes
[2:07:43] for the bus services. So um and I had
talked previously with the chief of
[2:07:49] constants lake and the mayor of Hurst
and trying to get so that Horn Payne's
[2:07:54] connected to both White River and I
talked to of course uh Mayor Tara Hart
[2:07:59] at the mayor's group about this and and
connecting with her so that people can
[2:08:04] move in and out of our community
seamlessly. So um and there is some
[2:08:08] dollars and some funds available for
that to move that forward. So, so that
[2:08:14] that'll come. And um we went through our
list of uh all the ongoing action items
[2:08:21] and we're going to create a sublist
underneath of all the items that we
[2:08:26] completed because every time we do an
action item at the mayor's group, we
[2:08:30] just take it off the list. So, we just
have this ongoing list of like a laundry
[2:08:34] list, but we we don't know what we've
done. So it was a suggestion of someone
[2:08:39] at the meeting yesterday because that
table could completely change up except
[2:08:43] one that they the incoming um new mayors
uh whoever they may be will be able to
[2:08:49] see what was done in the past and they
can because we even us for the eight
[2:08:54] years that I've sat at the table we've
had topics come up from somebody and I'm
[2:08:58] like I think we did that like I think we
have information on that and um and
[2:09:02] they'll probably looking uh we'll
probably be looking at doing some sort
[2:09:06] of regional strategic plan in the next
three years. So, so anyway, that was a
[2:09:11] really good meeting and then we went
1:00 to um Hornpane Lumber, Hornpane
[2:09:18] Power and we had a really good uh
meeting. I invited Manuela to join me
[2:09:24] because I this all started last week
with a discussion with Richard Groves
[2:09:28] and um just ensuring that we're aligned,
let him know what happened at AMO and um
[2:09:35] uh what what I've seen and heard coming
down the pipe. And um so we were
[2:09:41] discussing two major concerns that they
brought up to our attention was the belt
[2:09:47] uh internet connection that how that
affects the mill. So, um, in that
[2:09:53] discussion, uh, we talked about some
action items that we can do at the
[2:09:57] township just to ensure that, um, we're
putting pressure on Belle is, uh, Belle
[2:10:04] received money for account activity with
our name listed to it. So, trying to
[2:10:09] find out what that is and how if that if
any way could help us. Um, and then
[2:10:16] following up. I can't remember all the
action items now off the top of my head.
[2:10:19] I think there was three, right? It's not
in that book.
[2:10:21] » No.
>> Yeah.
[2:10:22] » But there was we had a good discussion
and and we had uh Yeah, we had and I got
[2:10:27] a clear understanding of why the
internet affects the power. So power
[2:10:32] plant and then um when hydro one
actually goes down and they can't they
[2:10:37] got to shut down as well and what the
cost is of bringing that back up.
[2:10:41] » We had battery banks was a big
discussion.
[2:10:44] » Yeah. So we had a big discussion um on
battery banks and some other ideas which
[2:10:50] we uh decided that after the election
that discussion should continue. Greg
[2:10:54] was quite interested to hear more and um
and and I should step back on Tuesday
[2:11:02] uh the CEO of the Hornpane Power and
Hurricane Lumber and I had coffee at one
[2:11:08] o'clock and I did invite Manuela to
that. That was an impromptu invitation
[2:11:12] that got set up over the weekend and um
I really enjoyed the conversation. I
[2:11:17] think there's a lot of new energy and
new ideas there
[2:11:21] » and uh so I and I just it was really I
had reached out to Tim that I always
[2:11:27] want to stay aligned, right? Like let's
stay aligned like where is the
[2:11:30] municipality ensuring that we're helping
like you think of the amount of uh
[2:11:34] residents that work out at the mill and
at the power plant. So that was a really
[2:11:39] good discussion. and we went right to
the hour and we had another meeting
[2:11:42] following that. But um
uh so back from that to uh Greg and
[2:11:48] Richard Groves, we had a lengthy
discussion about the waste to resource
[2:11:53] and um I guess it was a good
conversation about the possible pitfalls
[2:11:59] and challenges that are going to come
our way with this opportunity. So, it
[2:12:04] was more of that type of discussion,
which was good because we were talking
[2:12:07] to people that already sell power to the
grid.
[2:12:10] » Yeah.
>> And um and the complexities of that and
[2:12:14] what you need in your PPA and what you
want to get out of your PPA and um and
[2:12:19] to ensure that we're always um you know,
being fair and protecting our current
[2:12:25] investment and our employers and our
businesses that are already currently
[2:12:29] here, right? We want to make sure that
that's protected. So, so that meeting
[2:12:32] went really well and uh like I said,
we've uh scheduled something follow up
[2:12:36] into uh um November for that and then we
met with um the ways to resource zool
[2:12:43] and uh that was the meeting John was
talking to about uh later in the day and
[2:12:48] we gave an update and we talked about
strategies to get us prepared for um
[2:12:55] moving this forward
and I think we have a plan. There's not
[2:12:59] much because we're in restricted acts.
There's really not much we can do at
[2:13:04] this time. Uh so in the background, um
Zu's going to get together all of the
[2:13:10] communities that he'd like to approach.
And I I offered we all did that if
[2:13:15] there's any ways that we can help with
those interactions, we would. And um and
[2:13:21] then we'll move forward after the
election again, continue the project to
[2:13:26] move forward. So, and uh was there
anything I missed from that? No, I think
[2:13:30] John
>> I think you covered it.
[2:13:33] » Did I? I felt like I was talking too
fast. I couldn't speak earlier and then
[2:13:37] now I [laughter]
>> No, I think you covered everything on
[2:13:40] that one.
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay.
[2:13:44] So, so anyway, and I was I was really
pleased like um the feeling in the
[2:13:48] meetings are that people want to want to
get on board with us. So, that's that's
[2:13:54] good.
>> [laughter]
[2:13:59] » So,
okay. And, um, what else was there? Oh,
[2:14:04] uh, one thing I did, um, I did have
Ontario good roads meetings coming up,
[2:14:09] uh, this, uh, the third week of
September. And, um, due to some work
[2:14:14] schedule stuff that happened at my work,
I had to move my vacation around because
[2:14:18] I should have been on vacation. But, um,
so anyway, I won't be attending those.
[2:14:22] and they know. So, I'll go in November
for the Queens Park uh advocacy day. So,
[2:14:29] but if I am able, I did tell them if I
am able, I'll uh attend virtually.
[2:14:36] And I think that's it for me unless you
have any questions about AMO.
[2:14:44] And oh, and I have to say I didn't even
say that Minister Perry, Associate
[2:14:48] Minister Holland, Bill Rosenberg, they
all asked to come to our town.
[2:14:53] [laughter]
>> Yeah. And I was like, "Yeah, well, we
[2:14:56] have some things you we've got a ribbon
cut here." So, yeah.
[2:15:00] » Yeah. So, it was it was good.
>> Okay. Did I catch everything?
[2:15:06] » I think so.
>> Yeah.
[2:15:07] » Yep.
>> Okay. Okay. Then, moving on. If there's
[2:15:11] no other updates,
we'll move on to 12, which is new
[2:15:15] business, right? Yeah.
>> I think Okay. You want to speak to that?
[2:15:19] I got
>> Yeah. So, I apologize. First of all, I
[2:15:21] made a mistake when I wrote the report.
Um, so in the background, 1855885
[2:15:27] Ontario Corp from St. Catherine's. Um,
their submitted price was 117,400.
[2:15:33] I I flipped them round and they were the
complete submission more construction
[2:15:39] was 735345
[2:15:42] um and it was an incomplete. So line
building group um quoted on the entire
[2:15:47] job more construction quoted on part of
the job. So the recommendation is um to
[2:15:54] award the contract to live building
group. So it has been awarded. This is
[2:15:59] really um just for information for
council um because right now you can't
[2:16:06] under the restricted acts. So um we just
followed the procurement bylaw and the
[2:16:10] RFP that went out and they met all the
criteria of the RFP and they'll be
[2:16:15] starting probably October, November um
it to do all the work. So that includes
[2:16:22] the flooring upstairs, leveling the
floor, installing the new flooring,
[2:16:25] changing out most of the windows, um
painting, I think upstairs and down, new
[2:16:31] trim, um where needed, new painting of
the doors, um moving the kitchen. The
[2:16:38] kitchen's going to be relocated, I
think, rather than a kitchen, it'll just
[2:16:41] be a small coffee bar out in the hall
because um council chambers, I'm
[2:16:46] assuming, is going to be moving back
upstairs so that way people can grab a
[2:16:49] coffee on their way in. Um, I'd like to
get rid of those filing cabinets and
[2:16:53] replace them with permanent drawers.
Like maybe the lower units that open as
[2:16:57] drawers and the upper units as more
cabinets um instead of the filing
[2:17:01] cabinets so it looks a little nicer,
cleaner, neater rather than those old
[2:17:05] metal cabinets there. Um, the bathroom's
going to be redone as well as um the
[2:17:12] flooring throughout the hallway and into
both the CFOs and my office as well. the
[2:17:17] clerk's on my list. The clerk's office
is getting enlarged. She has a tiny
[2:17:21] little office. Um she can't meet with
people there. There's no space. Even her
[2:17:25] desk, like she has enough room for her
computer. There's nowhere to put down a
[2:17:29] piece of paper for someone to sign it.
So that's getting enlarged. Um at the
[2:17:34] end of her office where the kitchen is
now there's the idea of putting a server
[2:17:38] room in there because the server is very
distracting. It's very noisy and
[2:17:42] distracting. So that small area will
become a server room. It'll get vented
[2:17:47] outside um with some kind of sound
suppression system in there as well. So
[2:17:52] I think that covers most of it. There's
probably some other little things that
[2:17:56] have [clears throat] been included in
there that I've missed. Um but that's it
[2:18:02] pretty much. And sorry go ahead if I
may. I
[2:18:06] » there was Sorry. There is a wall as well
to be constructed to keep the staff more
[2:18:11] safe. um and and with um accessible
entrance way. So, sorry. Go ahead, Jen.
[2:18:17] Oh, good. Um I wanted to specify, so the
submission that was incomplete, just so
[2:18:23] council's aware, it wasn't just
incomplete. There are there's specific
[2:18:27] criteria within the procurement bylaw
that if it does not meet, it is
[2:18:31] automatically disqualified. It doesn't
matter what the review team thinks, it's
[2:18:37] in that bylaw. And there were certain
things that were not met. So, it wasn't
[2:18:41] just because it was a partial submission
or anything. It was because there were
[2:18:44] certain things that were not completed
as required in the bylaw.
[2:18:48] » Okay. Just wanted to make sure that that
[clears throat] was
[2:18:52] okay.
>> Well, I'm glad to hear that the wall is
[2:18:56] going to go up to provide safety in that
front hall because we're one of the few
[2:19:00] municipalities left that don't have
that.
[2:19:02] » Yeah.
>> And I've uh Yeah. I I'm so glad to hear
[2:19:08] that. And um just in the previous
discussions that I heard with Jen's
[2:19:12] office, is it going to be a dual use? Is
it going to is the front the little
[2:19:17] office going to be remaining as a dual
use office or is it going to be one big
[2:19:21] office?
>> We haven't really talked about that yet.
[2:19:24] Um I think there's a possibility that
there could be some kind of division to
[2:19:30] I I don't know that there will be enough
space to actually make it a dual
[2:19:34] » um
>> because we are saving some of that space
[2:19:38] for the server room.
>> Oh, okay. Right. Right. Right. Yeah.
[2:19:41] This was the preliminary discussions we
had.
[2:19:43] » Yeah.
>> I think we were driving somewhere where
[2:19:46] you told me.
>> Yeah.
[2:19:47] » I was excited.
I was going to say also when the council
[2:19:51] chambers moves upstairs, it is a much
bigger space. So it would be I don't
[2:19:56] think unreasonable to have
even just a divided area that people can
[2:20:01] use during non-counsel times.
>> Oh, okay.
[2:20:07] » There's also this space down there.
>> Mhm.
[2:20:11] » Yeah.
>> Well, I'm just thinking eventually
[2:20:12] you're going to need an an office for
your van. That's what I was saying. Yes.
[2:20:18] For a place that's not this big when
you're meeting with people because
[2:20:21] » I have found that sometimes it can be a
bit intimidating when you're coming into
[2:20:26] council chambers and
>> you know I pull up the chair or you know
[2:20:29] sometimes I don't sit in this chair I'll
sit over there or but that sort of thing
[2:20:33] that
but that there's no rush on that because
[2:20:37] personally I probably wouldn't use it
that much but
[2:20:41] » um also once the library is relocated
there'll be space. Mhm.
[2:20:46] » As as well both
I mean this whole area will will have
[2:20:52] the opportunity to look at that.
>> Right. Right. Yeah.
[2:20:55] » Well, even a small round table like you
have in your office within council
[2:20:59] chambers, it gives a smaller area. Yes.
>> Where you can and it can be used for
[2:21:03] something else like it's just so you're
not
[2:21:05] » Yeah. It's just you're not sitting at a
big border table and it's
[2:21:10] » you know and
>> and sometimes you're discussing
[2:21:12] sensitive topics. see what I did. Yeah,
>> but that would work too. Just a small
[2:21:17] » That's what I tried to explain, but I
didn't do a good job [laughter] of a
[2:21:21] little space upstairs.
It could be.
[2:21:25] » So, unless there's questions, that's it
on.
[2:21:27] » Yeah. So, is there any questions for
that report?
[2:21:36] » And when's the completion supposed to be
done
[2:21:41] » for this? I don't think It's an actual
conclusion.
[2:21:44] » No, there isn't on here. Okay.
[2:21:51] » There may have been. I just
I don't I don't think there was. We'll
[2:21:56] put it.
>> Okay. I just got up next. See how it's
[2:22:01] going along.
>> Okay. So we'll uh if I can get a mover
[2:22:06] and a second to receive the report to
move by councelor John per second by
[2:22:10] counselor
uh Belinda Kissmaker
[2:22:14] be [clears throat] it resolved that
council receives a CAO report 2607 RFP
[2:22:19] 260730
town hall renovations as information.
[2:22:23] Those in favor and that's carried. Okay.
Uh council discussion belt fiber.
[2:22:30] So this comes out of our meeting uh
yesterday with um Corning Power
[2:22:37] and the difficulties they're having when
basically my understanding is they'll
[2:22:45] they'll internet is their main provider
and their backup provider is Bell. So
[2:22:50] when there's some uh when service is
down they need reliable internet both in
[2:22:57] manage and or in pain to ensure that
it's in sync so that it can feed the
[2:23:03] grid. That's very simplistic. So and um
and then secondary is hydro one. when
[2:23:12] when hydro is down the plant is
completely down and starting the plant
[2:23:18] up is very expensive. So um just on
internet connections it was in the
[2:23:27] hundreds of thousands of dollars that
have been lost this year alone just on
[2:23:32] the internet connection problems.
>> So um why I wanted to have council
[2:23:36] discussion was like I had mentioned
earlier that there was a couple things
[2:23:41] three items that had come up during the
meeting and I didn't want uh staff doing
[2:23:46] that without council knowing what staff
were doing in the background. So, one of
[2:23:50] the suggestions I made was that we look
into the connection that Corn Pane has
[2:23:56] with Bell over the funds they got to
expand connectivity because they did get
[2:24:01] substantial dollars with our name
attached. Um why I went that route was
[2:24:08] um that's our industrial zoning that we
zoned industrial and if there's funds
[2:24:16] available to run fiber out to the
municipal boundary that helps us for
[2:24:23] further development but then it also
helps the cogen that they're just this
[2:24:27] far in.
>> Yeah. Um, we did have during the meeting
[2:24:31] I did talk with the mayor of Manittoage
because there was questions about what's
[2:24:34] Manitourage's
connectivity. Um, currently they don't
[2:24:38] have any fiber that's being utilized in
the community. Bell and Rogers are
[2:24:43] currently in the community putting in
fiber optic lines, but no one they're
[2:24:49] not up and running and um, Mayor Moffet
didn't know when that date would be um,
[2:24:56] so he couldn't give me a answer on that.
So hence the differences of um what's
[2:25:02] happening at different ends because
you're dealing with non-fiber at one end
[2:25:06] and then fiber here in some respects and
that we have fiber in town. Uh that was
[2:25:11] news. They didn't realize we actually
had fiber right in our community that
[2:25:15] it's not coming from manage and that all
of this information currently is running
[2:25:19] on the old T1 telephone line system
which um
[2:25:26] ultimately we'd like to get away from
but we're not sure um the power horn pin
[2:25:30] power is going to look into that but
from our end now that you know all the
[2:25:34] kind of basics and the background is
that we have some leverage because they
[2:25:39] were successful as being a proponent to
provide us with um fiber and um so we
[2:25:46] need to look into that. So council is
fine with that.
[2:25:49] » Manuel can find out about that.
>> Um and then there's two other things
[2:25:56] that weren't they were more minor and I
cannot remember right now. They will
[2:26:01] come to me.
Um
[2:26:09] yeah and then there would be continued
dialogue with uh the foreign pain power
[2:26:13] after elections and that um oh the other
thing was too was finding out with uh
[2:26:20] Belle about our cellular towers and
during that conversation ensuring that
[2:26:26] our uh the generators there where's the
backup generator because we ran into
[2:26:31] that problem previously where we lost
all connectivity
[2:26:35] and and I wasn't even uh and uh from the
cellular end and then I wasn't wasn't
[2:26:40] aware and we weren't sure if there were
still people in our community with bell
[2:26:45] lines down. So, we were going to look
those are the other two investigate and
[2:26:50] see where it's at. Yeah. Go ahead.
>> Well, one thing I do know when we were
[2:26:53] talking about bell lines and people not
having the lines in town. I do know that
[2:27:00] out at the mill our emergency line is
still down.
[2:27:04] It was never it was never put up and I'm
wondering why.
[2:27:08] » Okay. So your emergency so you know that
emergency lines down. Okay.
[2:27:13] » So we have to do a kind of general
census of our population where it's at.
[2:27:16] So we have that. So if you hear anything
I don't know if they're going to post or
[2:27:20] whatever to find out um that the
township staff's doing that. It's all
[2:27:24] because of trying to get these services
up and running not only for the horn
[2:27:28] power plant which is significant but
also the um if it's emergency lines or
[2:27:34] my understanding was that there was a
few of our seniors that their lines were
[2:27:38] working and I had no idea I had no idea
>> and those are their life supports.
[2:27:42] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> And do you know if that's still the
[2:27:44] case?
>> I think they were fixed. The one I do
[2:27:47] know of was repaired but I don't know if
there was any more. So that is something
[2:27:52] to really ask about
>> and if they're going to and I think too
[2:27:56] is to find out are they phasing out
these old lines because if they are then
[2:28:00] we need better support for our belt
>> yes
[2:28:02] » cellular like
>> Yeah.
[2:28:06] So,
[2:28:10] so anyway, with all that said, if
there's anything that we missed in the
[2:28:13] conversation that you think is
imperative
[2:28:18] to look into for the bell,
all I know is that when they did come
[2:28:24] into pain and they did put in fiber
lines, we always had discussions about
[2:28:30] uh there was fiber lines going to the
hospital. It was along the main street.
[2:28:35] um and everyone wanted to be able to
connect to it or whatever, right? And
[2:28:39] then all of a sudden you're afterwards
you're hearing that they didn't have
[2:28:43] that service and then so how did these
rumors get started and what happened to
[2:28:48] the lines if there was any? So to me
there is a lot of it is something that
[2:28:55] has to be looked into in in great detail
because there's a lot of history saying
[2:28:59] that we had it now how come we don't
anymore or whatever.
[2:29:04] » Okay. So you're at So we want to know
where the felt fiber is in our community
[2:29:08] currently. Like where it is, who's using
it, like
[2:29:11] » because we even had that issue here when
we first started on the council.
[2:29:15] » Yes. Yes.
>> We were asking those questions. We never
[2:29:19] really got an answer.
>> Okay.
[2:29:25] » Yeah, cuz I'm with you. I I remember it
was the
[2:29:29] » I always thought the high the hospital
was one that did have it and then they
[2:29:33] were saying they don't
>> I didn't get that cuz it's not like they
[2:29:37] did.
>> We didn't either.
[2:29:39] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, we did and then we
[2:29:43] » had it for years.
>> Yeah, I know. But we weren't using it.
[2:29:45] We went to that to
>> Yeah.
[2:29:48] » But why? That's another reason. Why did
that end up like that?
[2:29:52] » Yeah. Cuz I think it was free. They were
giving it to us for free.
[2:29:59] So
[2:30:02] yeah, cuz my concern about that was I
was worried we were going to give up our
[2:30:06] bell line.
>> My my one question is
[2:30:08] » it's been disconnected for a couple
months now and changed.
[2:30:12] » Okay. My one question is uh we always
talked about
[2:30:17] um the government always talks about
we're all supposed to have fiber optics
[2:30:21] to go forward to for uh everyone is
going to be able to have a computer and
[2:30:26] all that and then what I'm worried about
is it's going to be like what we've had
[2:30:30] to deal with uh where we're going to be
responsible for paying for it all where
[2:30:36] we can't. So, you know, um
it seems like there's a double standard
[2:30:43] like how are they going to make sure
that we all are connected to a computer?
[2:30:48] » Mhm.
>> We talk the talk button.
[2:30:51] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. And then the and it might be
[2:30:55] hindered further with the by Ontario by
Canada um policies that are coming and
[2:31:01] directives because um part of the
conversation with campaign power was
[2:31:07] Starlink because of the old the older
written legislations or policies that
[2:31:14] they have to follow, they can't utilize
that that technology. And I'm not sure
[2:31:20] the ins and outs or whatever, but um
that's
[2:31:24] like that's going to hinder us too
because if there's certain
[2:31:29] um corporations or governments or
municipalities or hospitals or whatever
[2:31:35] that can't utilize certain services
because maybe in the future they are not
[2:31:39] primarily Canadian or Ontarian
or they the old legislation doesn't
[2:31:46] cover new technology.
>> Yeah. So yeah, there'll be a bit of a
[2:31:50] lag there.
>> It'll be a big problem.
[2:31:53] » Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, we definitely I'm
more than confident Manola will find out
[2:32:00] exactly where fiber is in our town.
[laughter]
[2:32:05] And is there anything else that we want
to have on this discussion to know or
[2:32:08] anything else that you
[2:32:14] » and basically if there is a plan what is
the plan and how long is it going to
[2:32:18] take?
[2:32:27] And then I guess the other thing is just
to keep in regular contact with manage
[2:32:31] over what's happening with their
insulation of fiber.
[2:32:36] » Um do we have fiber coming into the town
like from manage or somewhere?
[2:32:42] » It runs along a truck
>> comes in from the rail.
[2:32:46] » Oh yeah.
>> You have to put in
[2:32:48] » almost 30 years now.
>> It was 2001 I think. 2001 25 years.
[2:32:54] » Yeah.
>> As we always talked about it, all
[2:32:57] [clears throat] we have to do is tap
that line.
[2:33:00] » Yeah. [laughter]
>> Save a lot of problems. Yes.
[2:33:04] » Yeah.
[2:33:08] That's true, too. It's right there.
>> It's right there.
[2:33:12] » So, why even run a line out there from
here?
[2:33:15] » I believe the hospital's hooked up to
it. Eh,
[2:33:17] » that's my understanding. I think it's
the schools, the hospital, but then we
[2:33:21] did have that discrepancy uh in a
conversation about the hospital, the uh
[2:33:26] emergency meeting that we had.
>> Yes. Yes, that's right. So,
[2:33:35] » okay. So, I guess that's the other
discussion on the table is how do you
[2:33:41] » how do we link right into the fiber
that's out there running right by the
[2:33:44] mill?
[2:33:49] It's always been [laughter]
>> conversation
[2:33:53] forever.
>> Yeah. Like that. To me now it sounds
[2:33:57] ridiculous that we're going to run fiber
from horn pain out to the mill when
[2:34:01] there's fiber right there. That's the
fiber where it's like we're putting a
[2:34:05] double line in.
And that stuff's not cheap.
[2:34:10] » How far away is it?
>> It's the tracks.
[2:34:12] » Okay.
>> Like the the crossing like it's
[2:34:14] » Oh, it's right there. the crossings here
and the buildings here
[2:34:18] would be the furthest.
>> Yeah.
[2:34:20] » Yeah.
>> The mills on one side, the office and
[2:34:22] garage on the other side of the track.
So, [laughter]
[2:34:26] » go figure.
>> You think it's that far? 800 m is almost
[2:34:29] a kilometer.
>> Yeah, probably about 800 from the uh
[2:34:34] Goen to this tracks.
>> Okay.
[2:34:35] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's almost a kilometer.
[2:34:37] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[2:34:41] » Still, that's very close.
>> Mhm. A lot closer than
[2:34:44] » Yeah.
>> 12 km.
[2:34:46] » Yeah. 12 km. Yeah.
[2:34:50] » Good job.
[2:34:55] Okay. Any further discussion on that?
Okay. Thank you so much for that uh
[2:35:00] amending the agenda for that and having
that discussion because um
[2:35:05] a lot of people's livelihoods and we
want to make sure that is up and running
[2:35:09] and there's already the challenges of
the tariffs. So, and the flip blobing of
[2:35:13] tariffs. So,
>> yep.
[2:35:16] » Okay. Is do you need a motion or
anything for that or No, you're good.
[2:35:21] Okay. So, moving on, we have bylaws.
Bylaw number 222726
[2:35:26] joints compliance audit committee for
2026 2030 term of council. If I can get
[2:35:33] a mover and a seconder, please. Move by
councelor Peter Kmaker, second by
[2:35:38] councelor Belinda Kmaker. Be it resolved
that bylaw number 2227-26
[2:35:43] being a bylaw to appoint a joint
compliance audit committee for the 2026
[2:35:50] 2030 term of council be hereby read a
first and second time considered read a
[2:35:54] third time and finally passed. Any
questions on the bylaw?
[2:36:03] » Have a question?
>> Yes. Go ahead. Can you refresh my mind
[2:36:06] on uh what this is?
>> I'll defer to the clerk.
[2:36:10] » I sure can. So, every um municipality is
required to have an election compliance
[2:36:18] audit committee. Uh essentially, it is
if there are any complaints about um a
[2:36:25] candidate's financials or any complaints
about a candidate, it is the committee's
[2:36:29] responsibility to investigate
[clears throat] it.
[2:36:33] Um
and also they can request an audit. They
[2:36:37] can go through
everything. It's it's basically just uh
[2:36:42] a third party
[2:36:46] » make sure does everything right.
>> Yes. Um and to clarify, so this is we've
[2:36:53] uh for a few elections now we've
partnered with um
[2:36:58] Wawa, White River,
uh Chaplo, Uberville.
[2:37:04] So we are doing that again. And the host
municipality cannot be on the committee.
[2:37:09] So in our case, if there's a complaint,
I forward it to them, but it's the other
[2:37:15] municipalities, their clerks that are on
that committee. If uh White River were
[2:37:20] to get a complaint, it would be myself
and the other clerks, not White Rivers.
[2:37:25] Um so it's just to make sure that there
is an impartial um third party neutral
[2:37:31] group to investigate any complaints.
>> Thank you.
[2:37:35] » No problem. I hope that makes sense.
>> Yeah, it does.
[2:37:40] » Any further questions on that? Okay,
there being none, I put that bylaw to a
[2:37:44] vote. Those in favor? And that is
carried. Okay. the Ontario
[2:37:48] Infrastructure and Lands Corporation
loan. If I can get a mover and a
[2:37:51] seconder, please move by councelor
Peter, second by councelor John Perov,
[2:37:56] be a result of that bylaw number 2228-26
being a bylaw to authorize the
[2:38:01] submission of an application to Ontario
infrastructure and lands corporation
[2:38:07] for financing of certain ongoing capital
works of the corporation of county
[2:38:12] paying the municipality to authorize
borrowing temporary borrowing from OILC
[2:38:18] to meet expenditures in conjunction with
the capital works and to authorize
[2:38:22] long-term borrowing for such capital
works through the issue of debentures to
[2:38:27] OILC be hereby read a first and second
time considered a third time and finally
[2:38:32] passed.
Any questions on that bylaw?
[2:38:39] No. My only question is we're allowed to
open up financing vehicles and
[2:38:45] restricted acts. Yes, I did a lot of
research on this because the project is
[2:38:50] in the budget.
>> So, the project is within the budget and
[2:38:54] this account is within the entire
project budget. Um, it is allowed within
[2:38:58] the restricted tax period.
>> Okay, that's a question and I'm glad to
[2:39:03] see it on here
finally
[2:39:07] » and that's no staff. Don't take that the
wrong way. Council moves as slow as all
[2:39:12] of us sometimes. [laughter]
[2:39:15] Okay. And those in favor and that is
carried.
[2:39:21] Okay. Council, we have a confirmatory
bylaw. If I can get a mover and a second
[2:39:26] moved by councelor Belinda Kithmaker,
second by councelor John Perov, be it
[2:39:29] resolved that bylaw number 2229-26
being a bylaw to confirm the proceedings
[2:39:34] of council at the regular meeting held
on Thursday, September 10th, 2026 be
[2:39:39] hereby read a first and second time, be
considered read a third time and finally
[2:39:42] passed. Those in favor and that is
carried.
[2:39:46] And if I can get a mover and a second
please. Move by councelor Belinda
[2:39:49] Kissmaker. Second by councelor Peter
Kissmaker. Be it resolved that council
[2:39:52] does hereby adjourn this regular
meeting. Council held on Thursday
[2:39:55] September 10th 2026 at 8:41 p.m. Those
in favor and that is carried. There you
[2:40:02] go council.
>> Thank you very much.
[2:40:05] » And we'll see you in October for our
last council meeting of this council.
[2:40:09] » Yes.