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Well, I guess we have quite a crowd, so
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get out a little early tonight. want to
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We have a roll call here.

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» Councilman Yansy
>> here.

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» Councilman Miller
>> here. Councilman Hiller

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» here.
>> Councilman Turner

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» here.
>> Council member Reigns

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» here.
>> Council member Vickers

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» here.
>> Council member Dawson

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» here. Council member Draper
>> here. Mayor here. stand here.

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» Okay. Can you stand for the pledge of
>> allegiance

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to the flag
and to the republic for its one nation?

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Dear Lord, guide our hearts, our souls,
and our minds into a future of love,

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caring, and belief. Thank you for
sending our children here tonight so

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that they can see what goes on. And
let's back them in a future that is

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bright, joyful, and safe. Amen.
>> Amen.

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» Amen.
>> Amen.

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minutes from council meeting September
22nd, 2025.

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Mayor Deair called the meeting to order
at 6:12 p.m. Roll call was taken. All

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council members were present. The mayor
recorded treasur and the city attorney

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were also present. All stood for the
pledge of allegiance and mayor Delair

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performed their invocation prayer. Judge
Holly Meyer was invited by the mayor to

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speak. She is running for reelection for
circuit judge. She explained her

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qualifications. The meeting minutes from
the city council meeting August 25th,

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2025 were read by the recorded treasur.
Motion to accept the minutes was made by

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council member Miller and seconded by
council member Hiller. Minutes were

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approved by voice bolt. Meeting minutes
from the city council special meeting

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August 14th, 2025 were read by the
recorded treasurer. Motion to accept the

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minutes was made by council member
Reigns and and seconded by council

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member Draper. Minutes were approved by
voice vote. Treasuries report. The

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record treasurer made comments about
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There was an issue with entering credit
card transactions before the end of the

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month would cause revenues to be low. A
question was asked about freed up funds

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and the mayor answered that this was the
label given to the bank account where

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the ARPA funds went when they were freed
up. Motion to accept the treasurer's

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report was made by council member Miller
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The report was approved by voice.

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» Committee reports. The motion to accept
committee reports was made by council

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member Dawson and seconded by council
member Miller. The reports were approved

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on voice vote. Old business. Mayor
Delair presented his veto of ordinance

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2025-20. He stated that the city had
existed with three signitories for over

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50 years. There was discussion about
checks that the mayor has refused to

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pay. A motion was made by council member
Miller and seconded by council member

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Vickers to override the veto. The motion
passed unanimously by roll call vote.

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Mayor Delair presented his veto of the
approved motion to hire Cody Keys to

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defend the city in lawsuit 33CV-25-17.

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Motion was made by council member Miller
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override the veto. The motion passed by
roll call vote 8 to zero. Ordinance

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20259 was read for the second time. This
ordinance sets a policy for retention of

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public meeting recordings. New business
resolution 2025-30 was read by the

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recorded treasur. This resolution gives
council approval to apply for a grant to

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improve the community building. Motion
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seconded by council member Hiller to
approve the resolution. The motion

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passed by voice vote. Resolution 2025-31
was read by the recorded treasur. This

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resolution authorizes the mayor to enter
into an agreement with the with White

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River Planning and Development to
provide administrative services for the

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grant. Motion was made by council member
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Hiller to approve the resolution. The
motion passed by voice vote. The record

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treasurer explained that in order to
proceed with the grant application, an

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asbestous study needs to be done in the
building. The cost is $500 plus $20 a

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test. A motion was made by council
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member Vickers to approve this study at
a price not exceeding $1,000

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from the parks and recreation fund. The
motion passed by voice vote. Resolution

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2025-32 was read by the recorded
treasur. This resolution allows the city

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to pursue a 7525 grant from the Arkansas
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to have a backup generator installed at
the community building. This would allow

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a potential safe place for residents to
gather in an emergency. A motion was

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made by council member Dawson and
seconded by council member Hiller to

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approve the resolution. The motion
passed by voice. Public comments. Tommy

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Billingsley announced that he is forced
to cancel the tournament he was working

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on. Uriah me talked about the boy scout
building and the need to finish the

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renovation project started last year. He
had solicited bids from contractors and

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delivered delivered those to the mayor.
Carol Spencer asked council member

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Miller how long he knew about the grant
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There was no server in M survey and Mr.
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weeks. Council member Miller outlined a
long list of issues with the actions and

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inactions of the mayor. He made a motion
for a vote of no confidence against the

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mayor. There was some heated discussion.
The motion was seconded by council

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member Draper. The motion passed by roll
call vote 8 to zero. There was a brief

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discussion about a complaint that was
given to all council members. It appears

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to be a Facebook argument between
residents. Jeff Reigns took offense to

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the mayor's assertion that it is a
violation of health codes to have dogs

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at a beach. There was a brief argument.
Dan Robinson has stated that we

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shouldn't accept bids that were obtained
privately and without a proper

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specification referring to the bids
delivered by your IME. A specification

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will be developed by Dan and an ad will
be put in the paper for next week.

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Motion to adjurnn was made by council
member Hiller, seconded by council

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member Dawson. Motion passed by voice
vote. Meeting adjourned at 7:32 p.m.

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Okay. Any comments, additions,
questions for discussion?

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Okay. Do we have a motion to approve the
amendment? Says red. So move. Do I have

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a second?
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» Okay. Roll call vote, please.
>> Council member Yansy,

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» yes.
>> Council member Miller,

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» yes.
>> Council member Hiller,

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» yes.
>> Council member Turner,

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» yes.
>> Council member Reigns,

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» yes.
>> Council member Vickers,

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» yes.
>> Council member Dawson,

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» yes. Council member Draper,
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Okay, the minister accept.

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Treasures report.
Does anybody have any questions about

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Epson's finance committee? Maybe

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not.
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Are we going to hear a report or not?
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bunch of numbers. It's all it is.
>> Oh my. I'm not entitled to know those.

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» They'll be posted outside.

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everybody had a chance to look over the
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» Yes, I know.
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questions, changes to the treasures
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» No.
>> Is there anybody changed since the fire

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to the mall that we've seen in numbers?
Nothing so far because this is actually

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September number. So the room isn't any
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» And we're at $456,12655

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for parks and wreck
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All
right. And is that the balance or that's

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money we've actually collected for the
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» That's the balance.

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» I believe I don't know when this was,
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just over $500,000.

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» Okay. Do you have a motion to accept the
financial report?

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» I like that motion.
>> Second.

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» All those in favor, please signify by
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» I.
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» Financial reports accepted.

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Committee reports.

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questions on the committee reports?
Changes on the committee reports.

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Okay. Do we have a motion to accept the
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» So move.

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» We have a second.
>> I'll second it.

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» All those in favor, please signify by
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» All those opposed, say the same.
Committee reports are accepted.

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old business.

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» Okay. Pursing on old business veto of
ordinance 2025-21.

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Whereas the city council of Horseshoe
Ben has since their first beginning

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continued to use their legislative power
to strip the mayor of his administrative

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authority. 202501 removed the mayor's
authority to hire and fire city

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employees. 20250 limited the mayor's
spending limits. 2511

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removed the mayor's authority to vote in
committees or to break ties and uh

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forward a motion. 202521
limited the mayor's authority to

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nominate committee members to council
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This nominating committee ordinance is
yet another example where the council

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will use their authority to pack
committees likeminded people. This has

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destroyed the system of checks and
balances necessary to asssure the

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council does not pack the committees
with special interest which goes against

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the law. Whereas the council has
actually misused their legislative

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authority to remove citizens and
taxpayers from committees and

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commissions without cause. Whereas the
city council has misused their authority

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to order to remove good and honest
citizens. Ordinance 2025-12

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removed Eric Bratz from the planning
commission. Ordinance 202513

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removed Gail Fuller from the planning
committee. Ordinance 202514

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and Ordinance 202515 removed the zoning
and building committee member Rick

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Brderick.
The removal of these citizens was done

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without cause in a live Cape City
meeting. Council member Brian Miller,

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when confronted, stated in the public uh
committee meeting it was because of a

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Facebook comments that was made by Gail
Puller against some of the actions of

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the city council. In a taped illegal
meeting at the uh mayor's office, David

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Vickers, Brian Miller, and Shawn Draper
were angry over Eric Gretz being put on

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the planning committee referencing the
lawsuit against the city Mr. which Eric

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Gretz prevailed undeniably proving that
the city was illegally taxing the

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citizens. The court case was resolved
under a settlement agreement of the city

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MRI and the citizens of Horseshoe have
been approved by the court. After Brian

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Miller wrote the ordinance to remove
members who were had developed plans for

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the growth of Horseshoe Ben, he
personally went to the local paper and

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placed a newspaper ad requesting
volunteers turning the vacancies on the

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committee against the mayor after he
explicitly with the support of the rest

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of the council wrote ordinances with
emergency clauses to remove committed,

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capable, and educated individuals from
the planning, zoning, and building

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committees/commission.
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» Then somehow Raul Johnson, chairman of
the zoning committee, went around

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recruiting people to join the zoning
committee with him. Uh is he the mayor,

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too? We have disenfranchised
individuals, canceled out their freedom

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of expression by arbitrary use of
Arkansas code. You had no motive other

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than personal vendettas to remove Eric,
Rick, or Gail. Brian Miller is on record

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admitting that he wrote the ordinance to
remove Gail based on a Facebook post

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where she expressed her frustration with
the council. There's no unwillingness

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from her to work with the governing
body. But Brian's ego is bigger than his

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appreciation for capable independent
thinkers trying to make a difference.

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Brian further explained that he wrote
the ordinance to remove Eric Gratz from

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the planning committee because his wife
went against the piece of legislation he

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had supported to the senator James
Church to allow the city council to

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forgive or nullify assessments to whom
they choose. Silencing distance sending

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voices is not the business of
government. As elected officials, we

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must be able to accept that we are being
scrutinized daily based on our actions.

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The council has taken actions against
citizens exercising constitutional

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rights and shamefully remove them from
volunteer groups. Many people I have

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asked have confused refused to
participate knowing that the council's

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reputation for dishonesty, hatred and
vengeance practices.

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They further feel because of their
beliefs they would not be voted to the

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committee or commission.
>> Council is seeking to stack committees

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with people who do not pose a threat to
their plans from their pack members,

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people that work at large and local
businesses and employees at parks and

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wreck who have openly attacked
individuals who this council removed.

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This is not grievance. This is tyranny.
This is an abuse of power control

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designed to consolidate authority in the
hands of a few while undermining the

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executive branch and the will of the
people.

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Where this council has destroyed,
created a hostile environment, polarized

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and divided the city further, worsened
by their interactions with the public.

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This ordinance has several purposes.
stack the committees, approve massive

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reszoning plans without the public's
participation, plans without dividing

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the city. The previous council has
passed 24 ordinances in two years. This

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council has passed 21 ordinances in less
than 10 months. Most of them designed to

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take away the mayor's authority to run
the city, eliminate citizens involvement

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with their government. I personally
enviably give the council a vote of no

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confidence, a vote of no trust, and I
will not support any ordinance

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resolution that strips god-given rights
away from any citizen of the city. This

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nominating committee ordinance is made
up of council members who will be voting

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solely on their own choices. This is a
total conflict of interest. The

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nomination of their own is designed to
pack the committees with their own

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chosen members. This ordinance which had
to be passed immediately immediately by

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suspending the rules is harmful to the
city. The city's council treatment of

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the public has further divided the city
and made the city vulnerable to further

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legal actions. As the mayor and the exe
in the executive branch by the powers

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vested in me by Arkansas Code, Arkansas
Constitution and the US Constitution, I

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veto this ordinance to form the
nominating committee which the members

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of the council whom have demonstrated
their willingness to personally attack

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the taxpayers and lead with vengeance
and not respect for the law. Dway.

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» Good job.

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» Since my name was called several times,
like respond to it. Person on page two.

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When you state that I said that I
removed Eric because of his wife's

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involvement. I have no knowledge of his
wife's involvement whatsoever in the

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legislation I was planning to pass by
Starks and Gray.

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» It's a recording. It's a recorded uh
planning committee meeting.

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» I was there.
>> You don't run this meeting, Sean.

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» Yes.
>> You don't run this meeting. Chill,

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» folks.
>> You don't either.

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» Was there I was there too,
>> folks.

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This is how it's going to work. I want
everybody to be able to speak, but we

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need to do it fairly. Brian can read
what he wants to read and make his

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statements. If other people have
comments, I'm more than willing to

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listen to them. But please let Brian
finish his comments and don't interrupt

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him, please.
>> As far as I understand, the the

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legislation I was pursuing was a way of
uh opening up, not forgiving, opening up

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velocity bought with the assessment
restarting. That's what uh Sturge and

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Gray were trying to do.
>> And they was read in committee and was

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stopped in committee by three
individuals from Cherokee Village that

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attend that reading. And through their
opposition, that made the uh individuals

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uh Sturge and Gray go back and they had
an amendment where it could be appealed

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to city council, but Gray removed her
support. I have no knowledge of

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Mrs. Scots being involved at all. I know
about three individuals cuz it was uh uh

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on a video a zoom and I saw that they
interrupted the uh situation and that's

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why the legislation failed.
However, I did state that it was brought

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to me concerns about uh Gail Fuller's
uh postings

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if that was not the only reason and also
involved

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which I've stated in several meetings
including that one that they're

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referring to when I brought up that
someone brought the issues of Gail

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Fuller that the planning committee was
presenting the forgiveness

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of the back assessments on an area that
they were trying to have developed

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» into industrial park and let people
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And if you do that for one lot, you have
to do it for all and there's $9 million

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out there. Do I think I can get or this
council can get $9 million? I do not

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» get a million.
>> But if we can possibly get 2 million,

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three million, that's still two or three
million more than we have now. back

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assessment.
>> I'm sorry.

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» Again, my understanding from as it
stands right now, the attorney general's

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opinion, back assessments cannot be
forgiven or done away with. They exist

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» and as such, we should try and collect.
But that's those are two falsehoods that

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were in this veto that I had to address
because they're blatantly false. Another

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reason that we gave a vote of no
confidence is due to statements like

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this that have no grounds.
I know other way to express it except

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that um this kind of backs up as far as
this removing the mayor's power. No

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individual is placed on a committee at
any time without the council's approval.

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past administration, this administration
ever a mayor can appoint in before this

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comm this ordinance and the council had
to approve. There never was one member

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put on any commission or any committee
or any board on this in this city that

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was not approved by the council. All
we're doing is trying to open it up to

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where there's more than one individual
making a decision on who gets promoted

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or who gets put out after applications
have been presented. So it's not just

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one individual funneling.
>> And I do have one question for mayor.

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How many people exist from the
committees that were populated when you

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took office?
>> I don't know.

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As far as I know, only some on the
airport commission are the only ones

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that still exist. All the other
committees were vacated

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» and repopulated with the mayor's
appointments. He talks about this. This

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council is trying to stack the
committees. We're just trying to fill

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the vacancies that have been left open.
One namely that's been brought up is

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MSID.
MSID, the mayor has stated his special

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administrator does not take the place of
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They're in conjunction with
commissioners. They're not removed. The

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special administrator is there and the
commissioners are there. However, in

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MSID,
two of the three uh their term has

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expired. The third has moved out of the
city and no longer can be part of the

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MSID.
Therefore, we have three vacancies of

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commissioners. When asked, he stated
publicly, don't meet him because I have

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my special administrator. Again, special
administrator himself in open meetings

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stated that he would appreciate having
the commissioners to help him with the

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paperwork. It's all it's in record. It's
on video. You can hear it for yourself.

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» When did he say that?
>> Okay.

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» I'm married to him. I never say that.
>> Let's do this. Let's Let's move on.

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Please save your comments for the end
and you can come up and talk to the

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people because I do want to get through
all this. It's important that you say

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what you have to say.
Any other comments?

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» Uh how were the people appointed before
we're trying to make a committee to put

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these individuals a group of eight
instead of one? You were selecting them

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personally, right? You you would take a
person yourself and put them on a

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committee.
>> You decided to say that eight to

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» wrong.
>> How would you do that then? I was doing

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it by talking with the people on the
committees and then we selected people

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and we're going to do it that way again.
We're going to talk to the people that

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are on the committees, ask them about
these people and that's what the airport

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committee does. Now, I don't know what
happened to Mike Smith because he was

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supposedly set up to go to the airport
committee. I don't see his name in this

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new list, but he was a commissioner
before. Uh they're more than willing to

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take Mike back and they're more than
willing to talk with him. and they had

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talked with two other people. I don't
know if their names are in here or not,

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but I talked to them today. And then
yes, I make an appointment for them to

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the committee. Now, you guys can vote
them either up or down, however you want

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to. That's how it works. And that's the
checks and balances,

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» right?
>> And that's why we need that.

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» And I believe that's what it says. The
mayor appoints, you guys vote in. But

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the truth is the committee, it's those
people. I talked to the committees.

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» Any other questions, comments?

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» Since Mike Smith's name is brought up,
he asked his name be pulled due to the

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uh
political situation.

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» I haven't talked with Mike, but I will
call him.

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Okay. The next veto we
>> pardon.

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» I make a motion we override this veto.
>> Okay.

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» Okay. Roll call, please.
Yes. Yes.

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» Council member Hansy.
>> Yes.

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» Council member Miller.
>> Yes.

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» Council member Hiller.
>> Yes.

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» Council member Turner.
>> Yes.

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» Council member Reigns.
>> Yes.

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» Council member Vickers.
>> Yes.

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» Council member Dawson.
>> Yes.

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» Council member Draper.
>> Yeah.

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» You are a joke.
>> The veto's over ready.

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» Next veto.
>> I hate these people. Yeah.

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» This is not a permission.
>> Next veto. Uh resolution 202533

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of mandamus
on 2425

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I retain the legal services of Bradley
McBride and Kimberly Dale of Thompson

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warmth Dale and Butler professional
associations of paragold.

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This was about ordinance 202501
on January 3rd 2025. Brian Miller of

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Ward One, Luther Yansy of Ward One, and
Travis Reigns of Ward Three called a

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special meeting. They wanted to have
this meeting on January 2nd, the night

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they were actually sworn in. I, however,
with the city attorney told them this

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was illegal as it was not advertised and
no formal agenda had been approved.

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Ordinance 20251
amended title 2 of the Horseshoe Ben

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Municipal Code section 2.6004 16004
recorded treasure. Mr. Miller stated the

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power to hire and fire employees has
been taken away from the treasure

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recorder. This was an absolute lie as
the attachment of the

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uh to the veto shows uh C veto 1925.
This information was provided the

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attorneys who informed me not to sign
the ordinance. The veto was overturned

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by the council but was not published in
the newspaper for many weeks. My

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attorney still advised me that once
overturned the veto became law upon them

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publishing it. Ordinances, resolution
and motions which were constitutional I

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believe to be legal I signed and I
signed a lot of ordinances and stuff. So

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the idea I wasn't signing all these
ordinances is assessment. Ordinance

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202502 parks and wreck fee. I signed
although I didn't agree with the

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ordinance for the outrageous fee of $80
per lot. I signed that ordinance as

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though I've signed many others. Mr.
Vanderpass in his letter to the

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prosecuting attorney misled him to
believe I was not signing any absolute

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lie. In June 2025, I decided not to
utilize Dale and McBride since that time

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uh have overlooked another law firm.
During this time, Mr. Sykes had said

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that I should sign any items not done. I
told him my attorneys at that time had

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uh
>> distinguished between agenda items

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passed and those vetoed for cause. I did
ask Mr. site what would apply if I

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vetoed the items. Should I be forced to
sign something I felt was illegal,

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unconstitutional,
and then would I also be sued with the

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council? The Arkansas code 1444107b
contains the mayor's authority to veto

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within 5 days, Sundays excluded. After
the action the council there on it

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further states the council can vote by
twothirds of all council members to

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overturn the veto. And you've seen that
happen here and that will happen with

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this one too. Uh on August 18th 2025 I
sent out a foyer request to the

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following Brad Sites to the city
attorney to Drew Smith district

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prosecutor John Wilkinson the municipal
league. I am requesting the Arkansas law

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that says a mayor must sign ordinances
he has vetoed. I was informed by legal

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counsel I didn't have to sign these. The
only response I received was from Drew

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Smith who said foyas do not apply to
criminal investigations. At which time I

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found out I guess I was under criminal
investigation.

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At this point, September 8th, 2025, I
contacted Senator John Payeyton,

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informing him of the problem and asking
for his help, explaining the situation

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with Mr. Miller, Mr. Vanderpass, trying
to get me arrested and removed from

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office.
>> In fact, a host of documents now uh

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exist showing the council's attack on
myself and the office of the mayor. 2025

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01 removed hiring. 03 authority to on
the Facebook page. 06 parks and recck

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director authority. 08 uh stop the
reading group at the library. 09 limits

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the mayor's spending limits. 010
ordinance on data scout. 01 ordinance on

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the mayor's right to vote on committees.
and 20 adds finance committee chair as a

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force signature uh to go around the
mayor's authority.

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The mayor's spending authority is
clearly located in Arkansas 158303 as

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well as contracts
ACA1458303

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and the opinion of the attorney general
20002-93.

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I apologize for the boringness of this.
On September 16th, 2025, I received an

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email from Drew Smith, district
prosecutor. He had obviously not been

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informed of my request to the attorney
general, to provide a ruling on the

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obvious question. When the governor
votes a bill and Congress overturns the

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veto, by overturning it, it becomes law
on their vote. The governor does not

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sign that bill. It doesn't happen with
the president. It is my belief that by

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me forced to sign illegal
unconstitutional ordinances,

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resolutions, and motions that makes me a
part of any lawsuit. This is not about

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me signing regular business. It's about
hateful, hostile council hellbent on

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forcing me from office as a vendetta for
the removal of MRI.

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and it's still going on with MRI
>> and the people that stand behind it.

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They haven't gone anywhere.
>> The very same players are indeed behind

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all this. I have consulted legal counsel
and I've been told if I vetoed it, I

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don't have to sign them. I have foyed
three attorneys as the law that says

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once I vetoed it resolution, I must sign
it. No response.

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This is a total waste of taxpayers
money, something the council has

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repeatedly done. Many of their actions
have and will result in future lawsuits.

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It is not in the best interest of the
citizens of Horseshoe Bend to waste time

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or money. This council is an
embarrassment to the city and the people

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they claim to represent. Clearly, Mr.
Vanderpass and Mr. Miller and the

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council are aware. I've talked with
council and I have sought the help of

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legislators and the attorney general
and everybody was aware of this yet they

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spent $5,000 and I do have a writ a
mandamus that an attorney is going to

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have to answer in 30 days and then I'll
present the evidence for all the things

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I have actually signed versus the things
that I haven't yet. No one has actually

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given me a decision about a vetoed
thing, but the attorney general is

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working on that. And as soon as the
attorney general informs me and Senator

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Payton, I will let you all know.
Guaranteed. And if he tells me to sign

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it, I certainly will indeed sign it.

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Make a motion over.

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» Do you have a second?

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» Okay.
>> I have a comment. I live in W two. Are

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you voting according to what you want or
what the people in W?

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» This is not perfect.
It's not appropriate

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» really.
>> They represent

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everybody in war two.
>> No, but there's 90% too.

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» My opinion has not been asked and
neither did anyone else that I know of

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that lives in W 2 or any other war in
this city.

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» You represent the people who live in W.
Don't even

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» I know there's a motion in the floor.
>> Mine makes fun of things. Okay, I'd like

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00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,880
you to comment when we get to the
comment section. You're more than

426
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:23,760
welcome to do that.
>> Uh I also know that Carol Spencer has

427
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:27,920
asked for a hearing and we do need to
have a hearing and in a hearing you can

428
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,720
ask any one of these people why they
voted the way they voted. That's what a

429
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:35,119
hearing is for.
>> No.

430
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:38,160
» Uh that's not really in the setup here.
>> Okay. Roll call vote. Council member

431
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,079
Yansy.
>> Yes.

432
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,160
» Council member Miller.
>> Yes.

433
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,079
» Council member Hiller. Yes.
>> Council member Turner.

434
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,440
» Yes.
>> Council member Reigns.

435
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,040
» Yes.
>> Council member Pickers.

436
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,640
» Yes.
>> Council member Dawson.

437
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,960
» Yes.
>> Council member Draper.

438
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:57,920
» Yes.
>> Okay. The veto's overturned.

439
00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:05,240
» So now ordinance 20259
regarding the meeting record retention.

440
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,240
This will be the third reading.

441
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:14,880
» Mixed up here. Hold up.
City for Arkansas Ordinance 2025-9,

442
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:18,240
an ordinance to set the policies and
procedures for retention of public

443
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:22,800
meeting records for reproduction and/or
inspection. Whereas it is it is

444
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:25,920
necessary for the city of Horseshoe
Bend, Arkansas to retain records of

445
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,079
public meetings so that the public can
have access to those records for at

446
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:34,079
least 5 years. Be it hereby hereby
ordained that section one number one

447
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,280
except as provided under paragraph five
of this section a public meeting shall

448
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:42,560
be recorded in a manner that allows for
the capture of sound including without

449
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:46,720
limitation a a sound only recording b a
a video recording with sound and picture

450
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:51,119
or c a digital or analog broadcast
capable of being recorded. Two, if a

451
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,839
member of a governing body attends a
public meeting remotely, the remote

452
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,520
portion of public meeting that is
recorded under paragraph one of this

453
00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:01,359
section shall be recorded in the format
in which it is conducted. Three, a

454
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,920
recording of a public meeting under
paragraph one of par or paragraph two of

455
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,800
this section shall be maintained by the
city of Horseshoe Ben for a minimum of 5

456
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,560
years from the date of the public
meeting. Four, the recording shall be

457
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,720
maintained in a format that be
reproduced upon a lawful request. Five.

458
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Paragraph one of the section does not
apply to a executive sessions or B b

459
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:25,760
volunteer fire departments. Section two.
This recording shall be on DVD or other

460
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:31,720
digital format which allows for the city
personnel to reproduce said recording

461
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:31,720
upon lawful request.

462
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:48,119
Come on
accept. So you know

463
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,119
» comments, suggestions.

464
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:55,880
» Ryan makes a motion to accept ordinance
20259.

465
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,880
Do I have a second?

466
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,040
» Second.

467
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,760
» Roll call vote.
>> Council member Yansy.

468
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,839
» Yes.
>> Council member Miller.

469
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,760
» Yes.
>> Council member Hilliger.

470
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,599
» Yes.
>> Council member Turner.

471
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,560
» Yes.
>> Council member Reigns. Yes.

472
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,079
» Council member Vickers.
>> Yes.

473
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,800
» Council member Dawson.
>> Yes.

474
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,960
» Council member Draper.
>> Yes.

475
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:28,240
» Okay. Ordinance 202519 regarding meeting
recording retention is passed.

476
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:32,359
» So next time you need to have the camera
here and run.

477
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,359
» That's right.

478
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:44,480
» Ordinance 2025
>> 22 regarding vote tax.

479
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:49,440
So this is the second reading of this
ordinance and we made changes as

480
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,920
suggested in one place where it said
that the city of Horu Benjority

481
00:39:52,079 --> 00:40:01,359
vote changes to the city of Portugu Ben
city council by majority vote and we

482
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:08,320
added uh section five which was I think
in response to um Spencer's

483
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:12,000
uh suggestion about the base where it
says when issuing dock permits the

484
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:16,960
Building committee should apply these
rules and regulations also but also must

485
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,200
take into consideration the size of the
bait and the effect of the proposed dock

486
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,119
might have on surrounding properties. So
I'll just point that out first before I

487
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,800
read it.
>> Thank you.

488
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:31,599
Ordinance 2025-22,
Ordinance 93-13 amended. An ordinance

489
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:35,200
authorizing the city of Horseshoe Bend
to promulgate, reeregulate, enforce

490
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,800
standards regarding construction of boat
docks, boat houses, and similar

491
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:42,400
structures on lakes owned and operated
by the city of Horseshoe Bend. Whereas

492
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:46,079
there have been several meetings and
discussions regarding this subject. Now

493
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:49,839
therefore, be it enacted and ordained by
the city council of the city of

494
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:53,280
Horseshoe Ben, Arkansas to wit. Section
one, the rules and regulations as

495
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,240
prescribed by the city of Horseshoe Ben
and which are hereby attached are

496
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:00,560
adopted by reference and made part of
this ordinance. Section two, these rules

497
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,520
and regulations referred to in section
one may be subject to revision and

498
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:08,079
change from time to time at the
discretion of the city of Horseshoe Ben

499
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:11,440
city council by majority vote. Section
three, all provisions of section six of

500
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,440
the municipal code of the city of
horseshoe ben Arkansas regarding real

501
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:19,839
property may apply to these structures
on or in proximity of any of the lakes

502
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:23,119
referred to in the rules and regulations
which are owned and operated by the city

503
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,160
of Horseshoe Ben. Section four,
violation of any of the city of Porsche

504
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,440
Ben rules or any section of this
ordinance will be subject to the

505
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:34,480
enforcement and penalties as prescribed
in section 516 of the municipal code.

506
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:38,720
Section five, when issuing dock permits,
the building committee should apply

507
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:42,560
these rules and regulations, but also
but must also take into consideration

508
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,880
the size of the bay and the effect the
proposed dock might have on surrounding

509
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,599
properties. Section six, and this
ordinance being necessary for the

510
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:53,200
immediate preservation of the public
peace, health, and safety, an emergency

511
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:59,240
is hereby declared to exist, and the
same shall be in full force in effect

512
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,240
immediately after its passage.

513
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:12,920
Okay.
Comments, suggestions,

514
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,920
discussion.

515
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:19,839
» Are we still waiting on
Well, there's still three people waiting

516
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:23,400
for docs.
>> I don't believe so.

517
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,720
» I make a motion to hear the third time.

518
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,640
We have a second.

519
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:47,480
» I'm not really ready. I had read over

520
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,720
second

521
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,520
lack of a second.
All right.

522
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,160
So, the next thing I want to go back to

523
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:16,000
» resolution 202528.
This didn't get put on the agenda even

524
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:21,280
though I had asked it to be put on the
agenda under old business. It's all set.

525
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,560
It's all settled business. Sir, we
passed the resolution and we applied for

526
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:29,040
the grant. There's not way anybody to
get back and put the toothpaste back in

527
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,040
the tube.

528
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:35,599
All right. Well, thank you for that
information, but that's not what I'm

529
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:42,960
talking about. What I wanted to talk
about was a couple of things. Uh the

530
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:49,440
idea that you applied for 648,435
bucks, committed the the city to

531
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:52,960
sustaining that. It was not just for
advertising.

532
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:56,960
Uh like you said the last time, that
wasn't true at all. But the thing that

533
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,520
concerned us, Will you please let me
finish speaking?

534
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,400
» Yeah, it's absolutely true, sir.
>> Will you let me finish speaking?

535
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,160
» Did you read the grant? Did you apply
for the grant?

536
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:10,160
» Will you let me finish speaking?
>> I don't did it.

537
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:13,359
» Be respectful.
>> The mayor said that he would interrupt

538
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:18,560
anytime there was something that was
incorrect being stated.

539
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:22,560
» He's not a councilman.
>> Well, this is the issue. Yeah, he's not

540
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:28,000
a councilman.
What I see on here is the seal of the

541
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:34,400
city of Horseshoe Bent.
And what I see in the law, it's right

542
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:41,440
here, 1443 401.
The mayor shall keep the corporate seal

543
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:47,359
of the city in his or her charge.
I want that seal.

544
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:52,119
I want that seal used indiscriminately.
There's the law right there if you want

545
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,119
to read it.

546
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:06,960
Everybody said the record had forever
and ever said that's everybody has said

547
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,960
lots of times forever and ever things
have been done but that's what the law

548
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,520
said there in the highlighted part from
the end of the sentence

549
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:26,760
and I'll gladly sign for
All right. So, that takes care of that.

550
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,760
So, now

551
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:36,079
the veto on the no confidence vote.
That's not ve sir. We checked with the

552
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,720
city attorney.
>> Well, you voted on it.

553
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,040
» It doesn't matter. It's not.
>> And uh and it's a supreme compression

554
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,040
for you to veto it in the first place.
So, even if it were ve

555
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:51,599
» Well, then I guess I'll just read my
comments. So I

556
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:57,160
» Charlie if this man doesn't keep quiet I
want him taken out of

557
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:57,160
» why I want him taken out what

558
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:09,520
» I'm not joking I'm not joking either sir
>> stop it to y'all read read your comment

559
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,000
mayor read your comment
>> I'm trying to do that

560
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:15,920
» read it please
>> it's not on the agenda

561
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,839
» just let him read it just let him read
it

562
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,440
meetings.
>> You're the one who told me it wasn't

563
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,599
legal.
>> It's not It's not a veto, but you have

564
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:28,480
to comment on it. He's either going to
do it now or later. Why don't we let him

565
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:33,119
go ahead and comment on it now?
>> That's That's Is that okay? Or do we

566
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,520
want to wait till later in the meeting?
He's He's got a right about it.

567
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,920
» Do I have a right to put stuff on the
agenda?

568
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,160
» You don't have a right to veto it. It's
It's

569
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:46,319
» Do I have a right to put stuff on the
agenda?

570
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:50,760
» Of course. Then the next time put my
stuff on the agenda.

571
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,760
» I could pull the agenda.

572
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,960
» Wow.

573
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:03,119
» To the members of the Horseshoe Ben City
Council, the recorder treasure of

574
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:09,040
Horseshoe Ben, the citizens and property
owners of Horseshoe Ben. On September

575
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:14,319
22nd, 2025, the Horseshoe Ben City
Council on a motion by Councilman Brian

576
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:19,040
Miller, seconded by Councilman Shawn
Draper, introduced and passed a vote of

577
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:24,640
no confidence in the office of the
mayor. This action was taken without

578
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:28,480
notice, prior consultation, or public
transparency.

579
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:33,920
The resolution was advanced on the basis
of assertations that were at best

580
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:38,480
partial truths and at worst outright
mischaracterizations.

581
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:42,960
Following this action, local media
outlets were provided with accounts that

582
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:49,440
did not reflect the full or accurate
record, presenting to the public a

583
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:54,079
distorted narrative of events. This has
cast the city of Horseshoe Bend in a

584
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:59,839
misleading, unfavorable light and has
undermined confidence in our government.

585
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:03,520
Even more concerning, the city council
has effectively stripped the office of

586
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:08,079
the mayor of his statutory duties,
directing infringing upon the authority

587
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:15,560
invested in the mayor under Arkansas
law. By seizing control of the city

588
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,560
finances, brokering a for signatur

589
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:23,760
of expenditures, the council has
effectively circumvented the checks and

590
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:28,880
balances designed by law to safeguard
the public's funds. This maneuver is not

591
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:33,119
only outside their legislative
authority, but it also removes the

592
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:38,240
executive oversight entrusted to the
mayor, leaving the taxpayers exposed to

593
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:43,680
potential abuse, mismanagement, and
unmonitored depreciation.

594
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Further, in overstepping the clear legal
boundaries of their office, the council

595
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:54,079
has bound the city to contracts which
they hold no statutory authority. As a

596
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:59,599
direct result, Horseshoe Ben is now
embroidered in a legal litigation that

597
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:04,880
will likely cost the city hundreds of
thousands of dollars in legal fees and

598
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:09,760
damages. Resources should be instead
invested in infrastructure, services,

599
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:15,200
and the well-being of our citizens. This
is not governance. This is vengeance.

600
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:19,920
Acting in resentment, the council has
abandoned the solemn oath of office each

601
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:23,760
member swore to uphold. The oath binds
us to the Constitution of the United

602
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:29,040
States, the Constitution of the State of
Arkansas, and the laws enacted under

603
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:33,839
them. Yet, in their actions, the council
has disregarded those obligations in

604
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:37,760
favor of political maneuvering and
personal retaliation.

605
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:44,720
Behind the scenes, attempts have been
made to have be criminally charged for

606
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:50,400
preserving lawful duties of the mayor.
My responsibilities to ensure Horseshoe

607
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:55,119
Ben remains fiscally responsible,
transparent, and compliant with state

608
00:49:52,400 --> 00:50:00,640
law and constitutional mandates. I have
affixed my name to the expenditures,

609
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:06,480
contracts, and ordinances, resolutions
that neither benefit the city nor comply

610
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:11,839
to Arkansas statutes, constitutional
protections designed to protect

611
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:15,920
corruptions and tyranny, and municipal
governor. Excuse

612
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,720
me.
>> To force or coers the mayor to sign

613
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:26,000
items would in itself constitute an
unlawful abuse of power.

614
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:30,640
It is imperative to recall the Arkansas
code 1443501

615
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:36,160
empowers the mayor to veto and I'm not
going to go into all of it for 5 days.

616
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:40,319
Additionally, article 41 to2 establish
principle of separation of powers

617
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:45,680
providing that no branch of government
may exist exercise powers belonging to

618
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:51,040
another. The city council is a
legislated body of horseshoe bend to not

619
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:56,319
user executive authority revered for the
mayor by statute and by the Arkansas

620
00:50:53,599 --> 00:51:01,520
constitution. Likewise, the Arkansas
Constitution, Article 12 and four,

621
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:07,280
mandates the municipal corporations may
exercise only those powers conferred

622
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:12,559
upon them by law when the city council
exceeds authority by seizing executive

623
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:17,280
financial control, entering contracts
outside its power and undermining

624
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:22,800
statutory authorities of the mayor, it
acts in violation of this constitutional

625
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:28,960
limit and places every action in it
under legal jeopardy. Accordingly, in

626
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:36,160
pursuit with my statute authority, I
hereby exercise the mirror veto under

627
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:40,000
Arkansas Code 1443504.
Formally reject the vote of no

628
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:45,599
confidence passed by the Horseshoe Ben
City Council on September 225.

629
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:49,440
This veto not merely acts as a defense
for the office I hold. that acts as a

630
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:55,119
protection for the people of Horseshoe
Ben whose rights, resources, and future

631
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:59,520
are imperiled by this council's actions.
The city of Horseshoe Ben deserves a

632
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:04,160
government rooted in transparency,
integrity, and accountability, not

633
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:09,839
political retaliation, and unchecked
ambition. We must restore the law of

634
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:14,160
balance of authority, reestablish fiscal
oversight, and reaffirm a collective

635
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:19,440
oath to serve the people in accordance
with the law. respectively submitted

636
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:22,440
Dwayne Clayer. The references are on
here.

637
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:41,520
» Detail that that just reaffirms no
confidence that that I made personally.

638
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:45,920
Um there there's you just wasted
everyone's time for reading all that

639
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,880
because the other time to speak
>> waste my time. I wanted to hear I wanted

640
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,720
to make sure
>> it was not a resolution. It was a vote

641
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:56,720
of no confidence.
>> Brad, it's not true that there's no such

642
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:00,559
thing as vetoing a vote of no
confidence.

643
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:05,599
» Correct. Just so everybody's clear,
you cannot veto the vote of no

644
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:09,839
confidence. It was not an order. It was
not an ordinance. It was not a

645
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:15,119
resolution. However, the mayor can
comment on it. He can call it a veto. He

646
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:22,119
can call it a rose. He can call it
whatever he wants to. It's not a veto.

647
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,119
It's a comment.

648
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:30,640
» Not a veto.
>> So, I guess that's my comment

649
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:40,680
and I'll give you these to keep in the
record. So, moving along, new business

650
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,680
» 2026 budget

651
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:47,280
So, a copy of where we're at so far in
terms of what I've put together is in

652
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:53,280
the thing where it wasn't supposed to be
voted on any just future any comments

653
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:58,960
from finance committee or any additions
wherever. Um, some probably have to have

654
00:53:56,319 --> 00:54:02,880
a working meeting to go through this and
see what people want to change. But I

655
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:08,720
put together my best guesses on
revenues. Um, the uh column with 2025 in

656
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:12,720
it. Obviously, we're not done with 2025.
So I looked at it and made a best

657
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:17,520
estimate based, you know, mathematical
estimate of where we'll be at the end of

658
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:20,960
the year. So it's not the budget from
last year. The 2025 comment is where I

659
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:27,520
think we'll be at the end of the year
for the actual actual numbers. So

660
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:32,319
and have you forwarded all the stuff
that you were given by the departments

661
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:36,160
to me
>> other than in my estimate you had it was

662
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:41,920
already there.
>> All right. So this is all of it here.

663
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:48,000
Yeah, there's a consumer water street is
all in there.

664
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:54,000
» All right. All that was done by Chris.
>> Yes, I talked to Chris about that.

665
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:59,680
» All right.
Resolution 202534

666
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:05,440
setting city III policy.
>> So, uh, there they passed a law in

667
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:10,319
August. I think they call it act 848. It
requires every city to have an AI

668
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:13,040
policy. As far as what we do with AI,
it's probably no different than what you

669
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:17,839
guys do with the AI. If you've got
Alexa, if you've got uh Google, what

670
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:21,920
they call Google AI, if you've got
Copilot, if you've got spellch check,

671
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:28,079
those are all AI and that's what we do
for AI. But the law requires us to have

672
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:33,280
a policy. So I in fact, none of this is
really written by me other than to

673
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:39,200
modify it so it fits your bed. So I will
read it. Resolution 25 2025-34

674
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:44,640
resolution approving an AI artificial
intelligent policy I spelled wrong

675
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:48,559
for city employees and contractors
whereas the city council of the city of

676
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:52,079
Horcherin Arkansas is a duly elected
governing body of the city authorized to

677
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:58,319
enact ordinances resolutions and other
measures pursuant to Arkansas law and

678
00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:02,799
whereas Arkansas code annotated 25128
also known as act 848 requires that the

679
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:06,480
city develop a policy in regard to
artificial int intelligence. And whereas

680
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:09,440
artificial intelligence is a powerful
tool if used properly, but requires

681
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,799
oversight and knowledge of its
limitations. And whereas artificial

682
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,880
intelligence should never be used for
improper illegal purposes and therefore

683
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:20,960
be resolved by the city council of the
city of Horuguan, Arkansas. Number one,

684
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:25,040
the city council hereby establishes the
attached artificial intelligence policy.

685
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,720
Number two, the this policy shall be
given to all current and future city

686
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:32,960
employees. Number three, the employees
signature is required to acknowledge,

687
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:37,280
receipt, and review. I can read the
whole policy if you want. It's

688
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:40,280
three pages long
>> or

689
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:50,319
so what are you going to do with it? Are
you going to read it? Uh

690
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,200
» he also wants me to do
>> three separate times and give people a

691
00:56:52,640 --> 00:57:00,160
chance to read
>> a resolution. It only has to be once

692
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:05,079
» I've heard it. Read it.
people here. I don't mind reading. I

693
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,079
just need a little water.

694
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:10,880
» Number one purpose. This policy
establishes guidelines for the

695
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,480
authorized and prohibited use of
artificial intelligence and automated

696
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:18,000
decision tools by employees and
contractors of the city of Horseshoe Ben

697
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:24,480
here and after called the city in
compliance with act 848. The CNB

698
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:28,559
Arkansas can Arkansas annotated 251128.
Definitions. Artificial intelligence. A

699
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:31,760
machine-based system that based that
based on human defined objectives can

700
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:36,559
make predictions, recommendations, or
decisions influencing real or virtual

701
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:40,079
environments. Automated decision tool. A
system or service that uses AI and it

702
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:45,119
has been specifically developed and
marketed or specifically modified to

703
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:49,680
make or or to be a controlling factor in
making consequential decisions. Employee

704
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:53,119
and any person employed by the city.
Authorized use. AI and automated

705
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:57,200
decision tools may be used to enhance
efficiency, accuracy, and service

706
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,720
delivery in city operations. All
consequential decisions involving AI

707
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:05,200
tools must be reviewed and finalized by
a human employee or authorized

708
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:08,880
designate. AI tools must not be used to
make autonomous decisions without human

709
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:14,319
oversight.
In accordance with section D of Act 848,

710
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:18,640
AI and automated decision tools shall
not be used by city employees to one,

711
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,839
express personal political opinions to
elected officials unless within the

712
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:26,799
scope of the employees job duties or
upon request by an elected official or

713
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,319
public entity. Two, engage in lobbying
an elected official on a personal

714
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:33,839
opinion if the employee is not a
registered lobbyist for the city. Three,

715
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,040
engage in illegal activities or
activities otherwise prohibited by

716
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,880
federal or state law. Four,
intentionally override or avoid the

717
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:45,680
security and system integrity procedures
procedures of the city. Five, protecting

718
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:51,839
personal information. Employees must
never put input personally identifiable

719
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:55,760
information into AI tools. This includes
but is not limited to full names of

720
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:59,440
individuals, social security numbers,
driver's license or ID numbers, home

721
00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:04,160
addresses or phone numbers, email
addresses, medical or financial records,

722
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:08,319
employer or student ID numbers, photos
of individuals without consent. Six,

723
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:12,799
training. All employees are strongly
encouraged to attend training on Act 8

724
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:16,079
D48 and proper use of AI prior to using
AI on city business or equipment.

725
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:21,680
Training shall be provided through the
Arkansas Municipal Police ACE hub AI

726
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:24,960
training or other approved sources.
Eight, disciplinary action. Violations

727
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:28,400
of this policy may result in
disciplinary action up to and including

728
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,760
termination in accordance with the
city's personnel policies and

729
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,000
procedures. Nine, acknowledgement. I
acknowledge that I have read and

730
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,200
understood the artificial intelligence
policy. I agree to follow all rules,

731
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:40,480
responsibilities, and guidelines
outlined in the policy, including the

732
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:44,240
appropriate and ethical use of
artificial intelligence tools. I

733
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:47,839
understand that violations of this pol
policy and or failure to comply with

734
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:52,359
this policy may result in disciplinary
action up to and including termination.

735
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:08,799
Bill, where did you obtain this uh
artificial intelligence and policy?

736
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:12,720
» Basically, uh municipally has a
basically it's a course that I had to

737
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:18,880
take and part of that was this document
as a template and I personally without

738
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:22,079
AI filled in the differences from
Horseshoe Bend in the places where it's

739
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,720
supposed to be horses Ben and things
like that. That's nice.

740
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:36,000
Any other questions, comments,
>> discussion?

741
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,000
» Do I have a motion on resolution
2025-34?

742
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,799
» I'll make that motion.
>> Travis makes the motion. Do we have a

743
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:49,520
second?
>> I'll second it.

744
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:52,960
» Janette seconds.
>> All those in favor signify by saying I.

745
01:00:52,240 --> 01:01:01,160
I
>> all those oppos say the same.

746
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:01,160
Resolution 2025 34 passer

747
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:16,720
» sheriff's contracts
assuming you got this tool but this was

748
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,920
sent to me from the sher the sheriff's
department has offered to extend our

749
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:24,240
contract at the exact same price for one
year

750
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:24,240
copy of the

751
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:45,960
Do we have any kind of a worksheet chart
that shows

752
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,480
» worksheet?

753
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:56,160
We're going to read the com read.
>> What is the contract?

754
01:01:54,240 --> 01:02:00,799
» My suggestion
uh we bring this up at finance committee

755
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:08,799
and we actually look at the copies of
the contract and can you give us a

756
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:12,160
worksheet or breakdown of the 313,000
>> just like where it's going? I I saw it

757
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:16,880
somewhere but I don't see it here in the
packet

758
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:24,200
» of what we were actually
>> paying for. Well, there's a breakdown in

759
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:24,200
terms of deputies and excellences.

760
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:33,839
» So,
we didn't break down one office.

761
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:39,520
» All right.
>> We'll get get

762
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:42,839
wed the same as currently, just
different dates.

763
01:02:54,559 --> 01:03:01,040
the sheriff's here. If there's any
anything you're requesting for him to

764
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:04,760
provide you before the finance meeting,
please let him know.

765
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,920
I

766
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,480
» mean the contract date I think is
December

767
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:18,559
23 or so
>> January 1st.

768
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:23,839
» All right. But I think we have to give
you a decision by December 23rd. I think

769
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:27,240
it's the last day that we need to make a
commitment on.

770
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:37,880
» So are we talking about it in finance?
Are you ready to finance?

771
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,559
» I'll make a motion to finance.

772
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,640
» Second.

773
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:57,559
» All those in favor signify by saying I
>> opposed.

774
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,559
to find next.

775
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,760
» Many vacancies.

776
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,680
3:00 a.m.

777
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:15,839
I'm assuming these are people that you
want me to interview and to talk with

778
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:19,280
the committees
>> for what you have done.

779
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:23,200
» As I say, I talked with the airport
commission today.

780
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:27,280
uh
>> talk with them too well and I can talk

781
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,720
with the people on the planning
committee since that seems to

782
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:34,119
» the two biggest rooms that people want
to get filled.

783
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:54,720
» Okay, public comments. We had people
that wanted to specifically pop and have

784
01:05:50,319 --> 01:06:02,559
their name put on this or uh agenda too.
>> Kaden Wise, Ian Sretzo, Nicole Cheryl,

785
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:09,039
Michaela Herring,
I think it's Kina Rip, and Kalishia

786
01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:12,520
Smith. Doesn't matter which order you
take, you're learning

787
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,039
time.

788
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:30,680
right there. Talk right
that way everybody be able to hear me.

789
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:40,480
» Good evening council and community of
horseshoe bench. My name is Kaden Wise

790
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:44,799
and I'm proud to be a boy scout. We are
Horseshoe Ben Troop 640 and and at this

791
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,079
time I'd like to bring my peers up to
recite the scout pledge for those who

792
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:53,799
don't know what a scout stands for.
Members of Troop 640, please join me

793
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:53,799
before the council.

794
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,400
They just

795
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,720
» Yeah.

796
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:17,280
» A Boy Scout is trustworthy, loyal,
helpful, friendly, courteous, kind,

797
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:22,119
obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave,
clean, reverent. Three.

798
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:35,520
Since our scout pack was formed outside
of the scout building with the promise

799
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:39,280
of occupying that building over a year
ago, we've done so much and have made

800
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:42,559
some great memories doing it. The most
memorable for me was being strapped to a

801
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:46,559
slideboard with a neck brace where we
learned about providing medical care and

802
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:50,720
time of need. From marsh from
marshmallow catapults to pinewood derby

803
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:54,160
races, it always wasn't it wasn't always
about fun and games all the time. My

804
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:57,359
fellow scouts and I cleaned up the
walking trail, constructed bird houses

805
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:01,280
and bird feeders were placed on the
trail, fabricated and placed the bike

806
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:05,119
trail signs and helped honor our fallen
heroes by placing bosses and flags on

807
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:09,359
the graves on the mort. As for my
favorite part, I enjoy helping the cops

808
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:12,720
goes even on my own little brother. I
used to nanny with my mom into the grunt

809
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:16,480
stroke for mom. Getting to work together
on certain projects help us all grow as

810
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:21,120
a pack. Working together for the greater
good is such a valuable lesson, much

811
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:24,719
like staying true for you would. It's
sad to imagine that all of our hard work

812
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:28,239
isn't enough in the council's eyes. And
that despite our previous and future

813
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,839
community service hours, they want to
charge us rent to use a building that

814
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:36,400
was supposedly renovated for us and
promised to us. A consistent safe place

815
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:40,480
to meet. Meet means a lot. And in
return, my peers and I would be proud to

816
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:44,560
continue to serve the community of
Hershey, especially in a building with

817
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:48,560
so much history. 40 years worth of
scouts have been in and out of that

818
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:52,159
building. Please allow to continue a
scouting legacy in a building that's

819
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:55,159
been long dedicated with scouts. Thank
you.

820
01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:15,520
Council
>> Ian Cir. Her name is Ian Circ. I claim a

821
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:21,480
lot of different roles, right?
>> And all of you do too, I'm sure. Dad,

822
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,480
brother, husband,

823
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:30,239
and I'm sure we're all dedicated to each
one of those, right? One one of the ones

824
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:37,759
that I really enjoy to do is with these
little ones. I got I got a uh Katie

825
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:42,640
13year-old and a six-year-old, right?
This means a lot to them. Getting to go

826
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:47,520
somewhere consistently, safely,
securely.

827
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:52,799
And I said consistently cuz it's an
important piece of it. But I'm not here

828
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:58,400
for political theater, right? Cuz I I I
sense it. I see it. I feel it. I'm not

829
01:09:54,960 --> 01:10:04,560
ignorant to it. But
we were promised that building standing

830
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:09,440
out there that day, right? There were
Steven Wagner was there. Chris Underwood

831
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:17,360
was there. Mayor Delair's promised the
building direct comm not communication

832
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:22,400
personally, but Mr. Miller,
and I quote from a email he had, having

833
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:27,520
those boys back in that building is
exciting, right? Surely that segment

834
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:34,080
wasn't over profiting off of them,
right? Couldn't have been. It's um a

835
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:40,080
rental fee in exchange for hours of
community service and youth outreach

836
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:47,520
thing that scouts are liability.
And the membership to BSA

837
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:53,600
has its own facilities and indemnity
agreement. It's come since 1975.

838
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:58,480
And because we're rally located out
here,

839
01:10:55,280 --> 01:11:04,719
a lot of the kids have limited access to
extracurricular stuff, right? Often

840
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:10,159
finding themselves vandalizing Veterans
Park, things like that, right? That

841
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:15,520
happens regularly. And it's not because
they're bad kids necessarily,

842
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:20,640
that they lack an outlet or a consistent
outlet. Every once in a while isn't

843
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:26,199
consistent.
going to the same place every week is

844
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:26,199
consistency.

845
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:33,600
But yeah, they're not bad kids. They
just lack an opportunity. And

846
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:38,880
ironically, the troop had just got done
building benches. Those kids saw

847
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:43,280
weathered benches, right? Just some beat
up old benches that it didn't matter if

848
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:48,719
they broke. These kids right here just
built benches. They understand that hard

849
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:52,239
work goes into those. team effort
that those benches are going to be

850
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:59,560
placed in the community
for any one of you to sit on.

851
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,560
They recognize that

852
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:06,719
we're building character, not just
benches, right? This is long-term

853
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:12,080
sustainability, not just to this
community, but everywhere around here.

854
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:15,760
And that reinforces why this is
important.

855
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:20,640
Instill in the values in these little
ones.

856
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:25,520
That'll help this community kind of dial
in

857
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:30,040
this separation that I can feel. I don't
even live here and it's obvious.

858
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:37,440
So, I I want to make sure council
considers everything I've said, what

859
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:42,800
these kids mean to me, what these kids
mean to the community.

860
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:48,440
as we present a proposal
and then we can discuss it amongst

861
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:48,440
ourselves.

862
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:53,080
» Council, I appreciate it. Thank you.

863
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:14,960
And finally, the elephant in the room.
Hello, council. My name is Nicole and

864
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:19,360
I'm a committee member for Hershey Ben's
troop 640. Gracious community of

865
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:23,920
Horseshoe Ben, thank you for your
constant support of these scouts. Please

866
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:28,159
know that the recorder treasurer has
been given a packet of evidence to

867
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:32,640
factualize every statement said at
tonight's meeting. A packet that can be

868
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:38,880
foyed by anyone curious enough to
divulge into the mess I found myself in

869
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:46,440
on behalf of my 19 scouts. A packet that
myself and a friend have mere copies of

870
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:46,440
to compare to if need be.

871
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:54,480
First, let's address a few key points
pertinent to understanding the

872
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:58,640
situation. For decades, in newspaper
articles, bids, payments made, numerous

873
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:03,199
official documentation on this city's
own Facebook page, and in emails from

874
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:08,640
the council and the mayor, it has always
been this building reference throughout

875
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:14,159
the packet. The MRI unsuccessfully tried
to demolish the condemned building in

876
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:18,480
2022 and kicked out our brother and
sister scouts with Chris Underwood. The

877
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:22,640
community rallied behind them. Thank
you, Horseshoe Fund. And the building

878
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:26,640
was saved. Reference to the meeting
minutes on page 5 through 11 in the

879
01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:30,960
packet. The building was never
condemned. The roof was fixed through an

880
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:37,360
interest claim and Ro Johnston mitigated
what little mold there was himself.

881
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:41,280
Reference pages 1235, 36, and 37.
>> Cochran Home Inspections published a

882
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:46,400
report saying what needed to be fixed.
Dan Robinson was paid over $10,000 for

883
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:50,560
the repair reference pages 13 through
34. And not once was the building a

884
01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:56,640
safety concern per the inspection report
by Cochran, page 12. A building city

885
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:00,080
council walked us out of by changing the
lock so we couldn't access our own

886
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:05,280
supplies kept inside the building that
were needed for our last troop meeting.

887
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:10,560
reference page 62. A space being
utilized exclusively by the BSA doesn't

888
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:14,480
have to be ADA compliant per the BSA
website under accessibility

889
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:18,960
considerations. Reference my draft
proposal that you'll be getting shortly.

890
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:23,520
And through an in donation, the free
lease can be granted to the BSA by the

891
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:27,280
city with a traditional less or less
stipulation.

892
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:31,360
And finally, adding another for rent
facility hoping to make profit is absurd

893
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:37,760
when you consider the current for rent
facility, the community center, profited

894
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:42,239
only $328 in the first four months, $388
in the last eight months, and cost the

895
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:49,040
city almost double that in electric
bills for one month. Page 63 through 66

896
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:52,640
for reference. Now that that's been
addressed, we'll continue with what was

897
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:56,400
said at the previous city council
meeting. Starting with the avoiding a

898
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:01,040
lawsuit by not picking and choosing who
receives what. The Chamber of Commerce

899
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:05,360
was a city-owned building that somehow
became a volunteerowned building that

900
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:09,679
later again became city-owned. It is
currently a city-owned building being

901
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:14,640
used rentree by an unaffiliated entity
for stipulations and an addendum to the

902
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:18,880
25-year lease that was drafted. city
building rent free meaning you couldn't

903
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:24,320
offer a similar lease
>> that's your three minutes so sorry just

904
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:27,360
» that's rude can I continue
>> yeah sure

905
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:32,400
» thank you
>> I I if somebody else um Michaela Herring

906
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,960
had my next that she was going to
relinquish to me do we need to do that

907
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,760
or
>> yes she can relinquish it to you go

908
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:41,520
ahead
>> thank you mayor

909
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:45,679
» a city building rent free claiming you
can offer a similar lease to the BSA is

910
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:51,360
critical, especially when you consider
that we are a 501c3 providing direct

911
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:54,640
service to the community, much like the
Horseshoe Ben Chamber of Commerce

912
01:16:52,800 --> 01:17:00,400
pretended to be for months to claim tax
exemption. Reference pages 38 through 51

913
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:07,760
regarding legality of leasing a building
rentree. refer to title 22 chapter 4 sub

914
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:12,080
chapter 5 that says of Arkansas code
that says any municipal corporation

915
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:16,159
shall have the authority to sell lease
grant exchange or otherwise dispose of

916
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:20,400
property dedicated to a public use for
recreational or park purposes. The

917
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:24,480
building will be utilized for our
bi-weekly troop meetings, our bi-weekly

918
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:29,280
leadership meetings to plan and prepare
our activities such as our gutterboat

919
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:34,320
races we're about to to do, and will be
open to the public for future events. To

920
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:38,159
clarify, at least to the Boy Scout
building to the scouts, we'll serve the

921
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:41,520
municipality through community service
and youth outreach. The benefit is

922
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:45,199
greater than the value of the building
because of our ongoing dedication to the

923
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:49,440
community and the commitment to
Horseshoe Ben's future adult citizens.

924
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:54,159
Public use will not be extinguished,
rather encouraged and regular at

925
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:58,000
regularly scheduled events. Which brings
me to the next issue, insurance and

926
01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:02,320
liability. As guests at the scouts, all
those in attendance to any event hosted

927
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:06,480
by us would be covered by the BSA's
facility in indemnity agreement. The

928
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:12,080
agreement covers any scout scouting
unit, member, visitor, volunteer, or any

929
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:17,280
other person arising in or any way
connected to directly or indirectly with

930
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:22,080
scouting. see the proposal draft will be
given to you shortly. We are a nonprofit

931
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:25,360
requesting exclusive use of at least one
section of the building to securely

932
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:29,280
house our belongings and our stacks and
refreshments for the members. A space

933
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:34,159
that's ours to decorate and dedicate
completely to the kids. a section of the

934
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:38,400
building that will that and end a
genderneutral bathroom that will need to

935
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:42,800
come with it will be used for the scouts
exclusively and there would therefore

936
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:46,960
wouldn't have to be ADA compliant unless
unlike the rest of the building that

937
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:52,239
would remain public. See accessibility
considerations in the proposal draft. In

938
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:56,640
conclusion, and most importantly, my 19
scouts are not a liability. They are not

939
01:18:54,239 --> 01:19:01,199
a burden and the city needs and deserves
all that the scouts can offer. We are an

940
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:07,679
asset to the community and we're more
far worth more than a monthly rent

941
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:13,040
charge. And the proposal
as well as over 200 signatures from the

942
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:17,760
community are in these folders that can
also be voided should you be interested

943
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:22,239
enough to look into the mess that I
found myself neck deep in just trying to

944
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:28,600
provide a building that was promised to
19 kids the day we started the scouts.

945
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,600
Thank you.

946
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:48,520
Who promised the scout to you?

947
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:56,239
um Steven Wagner, Chris Underwood, Amar
Deair, and there's also correspondence

948
01:19:54,159 --> 01:20:01,360
from Brian Miller and emails that
suggests I mean that that that could be

949
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,360
looked into saying that yes, this
building

950
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:05,360
» when it belonged up to MRD bill,
correct?

951
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:08,239
» The building in question.
>> Yes.

952
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:11,280
» That was then turned over to the city.
>> Yeah. But it was promised to you when it

953
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:17,199
belonged to the MR. Correct.
>> Oh, no sir. This was um previous to the

954
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:22,560
MR fizzling out as well as after.
>> Okay. So it was promised to you after

955
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:26,960
the M was dissolved.
>> Um Mayor Delair, Steven Wagner, and

956
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:30,080
Chris Underwood as well as from
>> the reason I bring it up, the only

957
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:34,960
reason I bring it up is when the MD was
dissolved, it became a new asset to the

958
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:38,000
city. So anything previously to that, we
have to determine what we're going to do

959
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:42,880
with that building. It has to be done
equally across all clubs, not just

960
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:48,719
specifically which is why I suggested
using just one room for dedicating it to

961
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:52,000
the Boy Scouts I
fantastic. It would allow you to try to

962
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:56,000
profit off of another for rent building
even though the one is doing so well.

963
01:20:54,320 --> 01:21:00,640
» No one's trying to profit off.
>> Well, then I charge the Boy Scouts rent.

964
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:03,760
» It was I suggest that no one has voted.
Not one person in this council has voted

965
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,640
anything about it.
>> And that's why I'm here to make sure

966
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:10,400
that when that vote goes through, the
people of Horseshoe will support my

967
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:14,280
scouts and say that we deserve a safe,
consistent place to be.

968
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:30,239
» Also to several there there's Jonia in
the White River District that utilizes a

969
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:35,040
city building rentree. The scouts are
allowed a a a facility, a room as well

970
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:40,080
as a storage facility that's locked from
public use, I believe, by the city of

971
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:43,199
Jonia. And if Judsonia, a small m
municipal such as that could could

972
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,199
provide that, why couldn't Horseshoe
Band?

973
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,960
» No one's saying we can't.
>> Well, here we are.

974
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:52,320
» How many meetings are we talking about?
>> Meetings. It's every other week. Is that

975
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:56,320
26 meetings a year?
>> Well, it would be a bi-weekly um

976
01:21:54,719 --> 01:22:00,719
scheduled troop meeting and then we'd
also utilize it. I mean, these these

977
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:05,199
gutter boats, I've got oh gosh, so much
to compile to make these the these

978
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:10,560
things don't happen overnight. So, we
need we need a place for our leaders to

979
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:15,120
congregate and to, you know, get these
supplies together. I I there's going to

980
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:19,440
be cutting and and prepping and and we
need a spot where we can, you know, have

981
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:23,920
our things there that we could go and do
this. So, no. So, we're talking at least

982
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:28,320
four meetings a month on top of our
spectating events like our gutter boat

983
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:32,320
races that we're fixing to do. So, it
would be used far more than four times a

984
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,000
month.
>> More than twice.

985
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,679
» Yes, sir.
>> One a week.

986
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,440
» I'm sorry.
>> At least once a week probably

987
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:43,679
» like likely once once a week would be a
comfortable m maybe twice if I mean

988
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:47,440
these the like I said I referenced the
gutter butts because that's our our next

989
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:50,320
project. I mean, these benches, we we
had to prep all of that lumber before

990
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:53,520
they cut all the I'm not going to give
them a table saw.

991
01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:57,040
» We give them drills.
>> You're just for understanding. I'm just

992
01:22:55,199 --> 01:23:00,800
for understanding. That's all.
>> So, I understand. I see what you're

993
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:05,440
trying to do is to say that we're not
going to utilize the building, but we we

994
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:10,719
we would if we had it to at our disposal
to be utilized, which we haven't. We've

995
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:14,400
been meeting at the community center.
>> You have to understand we need a place

996
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:18,000
to put all of our stuff with Boy Scouts,
>> right?

997
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:20,880
The prior prior troop had a a trailer
and I guess it went with them. They they

998
01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:24,239
stored a lot of stuff in the trailer
that was there with the troop.

999
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:28,639
» Yeah. The trailer that said boy scouts
along with the boy scout building that

1000
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:32,560
also had proudly home of the BSA before
the Mid kicked them out. I remember I

1001
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,040
saw the pictures.
>> Yeah.

1002
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:48,880
So, as you're proposing, they would use
well, one bathroom, one room for

1003
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:55,520
storage,
>> and it's a happy middle ground. I I'm

1004
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:59,600
trying to make a a you know, I'm I'm
trying to be helpful and make it

1005
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:03,120
possible for my scouts. You want a place
for rent. Why? I'm not sure, but you

1006
01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:07,360
would like to rent out that part of the
building, make it publicly accessible.

1007
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:12,159
Fine. There's two entrances. One can be
locked off from the public use area. Our

1008
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:16,080
section is done. Thanks to the people of
Horseshoe for saving that building for

1009
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:20,400
these scouts because it's needed. This
community needs scouts. I mean, it's

1010
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:24,639
it's a sad place to be. That's one thing
I realized when I went petitioning

1011
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:29,600
through the community is how unhappy the
people of Horsu are. that not one

1012
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:33,760
positive thing aside from how happy they
were to have the scouts in the community

1013
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:38,080
was said when I was petitioning. It was
one negative thing after the other after

1014
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:42,960
the other. It was absolutely draining.
>> The original setup at that building when

1015
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:47,520
Charlie and I started redoing it was to
take that wall out in the other right

1016
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:51,760
hand side. The Boy Scouts would have the
right hand side, the larger room.

1017
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:56,719
There's storage behind. There's double
bathrooms there for guys and girls. And

1018
01:24:54,480 --> 01:25:01,440
the lefthand side could be used by any
other group that wanted to. The Girl

1019
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:06,400
Scouts talked about wanting to use the
space. You could put 4 in there. You

1020
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:10,400
could put FAA in there. That's what the
building was redone for in the first

1021
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:14,800
place and that's why it was saved, let
alone the historic value of that

1022
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:18,960
building.
>> So that's why way we set it up when we

1023
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:23,120
originally redid it. And as far as the
ADA compliancy thing, that would be up

1024
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:26,880
to the city to spend whatever it needed
to to make sure that the public use side

1025
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:31,440
was ADA compliant because it would need
to be to be rented out. Our boy scout

1026
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:35,920
side wouldn't need to be and that that
our accessibility considerations are

1027
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:42,719
also in the proposed lease as well as
the proposal to the council.

1028
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:46,800
» Very nice. And my understanding is the
city attorney expressed that since the

1029
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:51,120
city took it over their reservations
along, we'd have to bring it up to ADA

1030
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:55,120
compliance.
>> If someone else used it,

1031
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:58,960
» it would be a private use spot. The
room, the bathroom, as well as our

1032
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:03,360
storage facility would be locked away
from the public use areas. It would not

1033
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:06,800
need to be ADA compliant. I have
included the accessibility and

1034
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:09,199
considerations from the BSA in my
proposal.

1035
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:15,400
» You're a private club. You don't have to
comply with ADA. You don't have to

1036
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:28,000
apologize for sending an email that says
do not discriminate against people with

1037
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:30,960
disabilities. Make the building ADA
compliant.

1038
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:35,199
» As I said, for the rest of the public
use part of the building, 120%. That's

1039
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:40,719
not to say that we wouldn't make
whatever considerations we would have to

1040
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:44,400
make to allow somebody to be accepted
and and and to be part of our Boy Scout.

1041
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:48,560
That is
>> I mean that is Well,

1042
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:53,840
» I'm clarifying that right now that we
would make whatever we needed to happen.

1043
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:58,080
» Don't No, you're you're misinterpreting.
I'm not going to apologize for that. I

1044
01:26:55,920 --> 01:27:03,440
hope everybody understands. I will not
apologize for saying to not discriminate

1045
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:09,199
against people with disabilities and
make building ADA compliant. do it.

1046
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:13,920
» I don't think anybody saying
>> I just don't believe it has to be done

1047
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:22,159
immediately. Something who could do it.
>> Every attorney, every city attorney

1048
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:26,639
America tell every city that um but but
I'm impressed with the counter offer to

1049
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:33,239
let the city use part of the
>> I'm impressed with my scouts that are

1050
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:33,239
sitting so patiently in the

1051
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:48,800
Having experience in the code field for
over 30 years, I would highly recommend

1052
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:55,440
that even though you're a private group
that the building be ADA because you

1053
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:58,800
could end up with someone wanting to be
a scout that is

1054
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:02,480
» in which case we would adjust
accordingly. there are other facilities

1055
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:08,639
that we could utilize to make that
arrangement for said person if that was

1056
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:14,639
we'd build a ramp. I my my husband he's
used to be a contractor in Colorado. He

1057
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:20,639
has built an ADA compliant ramp before.
I mean between between our resources

1058
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:24,239
that we have within our troop, you know,
our leaders, I I would think we could

1059
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:29,920
probably figure out a way to make one
room ADA compliant for a person of of

1060
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:33,120
special needs. I I really feel confident
in saying that we could probably make

1061
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:38,159
that happen.
>> The scouts are willing to finish the

1062
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:43,360
building on their own at no cost to the
city and I'm sure they can make it

1063
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:48,159
» ADA compliant. So, what we're talking
about here is kind of spinning our

1064
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:51,360
wheels. What we need to decide is, are
we going to give them a lease so they

1065
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:57,520
have a building and they can build a
future on, or are we going to charge

1066
01:28:53,120 --> 01:29:01,520
them $15 a meeting to show up?
And that was brought forward right in

1067
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:06,800
this room.
>> Nobody said it wasn't. I said nobody has

1068
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:11,280
agreed on voted on it.
>> Somebody says,

1069
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:15,840
» "You're going to vote on it."
>> I don't think many people here thought

1070
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:19,760
it was any suggestion or a talkound when
they wanted to see whether the boating

1071
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:22,880
and fishing would come up and pay the
money. it would have moved to an

1072
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:26,239
ordinance that would have been voted on
>> and there was people that were willing

1073
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:30,480
to make that payment, but I think
there's more people willing to say this

1074
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:34,080
is ridiculous. We need to do something
for the children in this city.

1075
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:37,520
» Thank you.
>> No one should have to step up to be able

1076
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:41,120
to pay for the scouts to use that
building. These right here are y'all's

1077
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:43,760
future.
>> I think y'all are getting angry over a

1078
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:47,960
lot of things that hadn't been decided
yet.

1079
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,960
» Nobody's getting nervous.

1080
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:01,440
Yeah, I got something new.
>> Cheers.

1081
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:03,520
» But you really help win your spot right
now.

1082
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:07,080
» Show them how big of a smart ass you can
be standing up.

1083
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:20,960
» Okay, folks. This is This is
>> council meeting. I'm just going to let

1084
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:25,600
you know right now.
>> Yeah. I I don't see a future in this

1085
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:29,280
whatsoever. Is there any other comments
that people want to make about it?

1086
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:33,520
Is she
>> Yeah. None of us would be here if it

1087
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:38,960
hadn't gotten mentioned. She wouldn't
have did all that work and all would not

1088
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:45,880
be here tonight to sit here. This is why
I don't come to these meetings because

1089
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:45,880
it is awful how you people are.

1090
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:59,040
to that concerned citizen was somebody
laughing behind me to perpetuate the

1091
01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:05,600
fact that they
>> How how sad. That's not funny. They

1092
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:09,719
laughed at that. That's not funny.
>> Well, thank you very much%.

1093
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:15,520
» I appreciate it.
>> My My scouts appreciate it. Thank you.

1094
01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:20,000
My families appreciate it.
>> All right. Is there Thank you very much,

1095
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:24,000
Nicole. I appreciate it, too. Is there
anybody else that wants to talk?

1096
01:31:21,679 --> 01:31:27,000
Anything else you want to do?
>> Yes.

1097
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:44,080
» James Floyd
to uh correct one one comment I just

1098
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:48,960
heard. The MRI did not kick out the
scouts. That building had become vacant

1099
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:57,600
and it was an attractive nuisance and it
was suggested that the building bears

1100
01:31:53,360 --> 01:32:01,560
» and that is the the truth. No building
for multiple months.

1101
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,800
» Chris, you want to say anything?

1102
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:19,440
Chris, do you want to say anything?
>> You should.

1103
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:22,440
» This is Mr.
>> Yes,

1104
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:28,719
» the promise that was made outside of
that building since it's being

1105
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:34,000
» my but tell you what, my name is Steven
Wagner. I work for the the natural state

1106
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:39,520
council headquartered out of Little
Rock. I'm a district executive. I cover

1107
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:43,679
area from BB. I always tell people BB
North to Missouri. I've got White,

1108
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:48,400
Clayburn, Independence, Fulton, Sharp,
and Hisard County. I've been on the job

1109
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:53,440
a little over a year and and it's
actually I got encouraged

1110
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:57,120
uh by folks to come up here and heard
that there was an interest in scouting

1111
01:32:55,360 --> 01:33:02,480
and getting something going. I go around
and recruit. I've got 30 elementary

1112
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:09,440
schools that I'll go around to, multiple
school districts. Scouting is growing

1113
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:17,440
in this district. The counties that I
named, we've gone from having nine units

1114
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:25,920
to 19 in the last year. Horseshoe Bend
is one of those. And you have folks, you

1115
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:31,120
have an exceptional group of leaders and
young people that I'm just really

1116
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:35,920
impressed with. But uh but yeah, I came
up and started checking things out,

1117
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:40,719
visited with Mayor Valair, uh Chris
Underwood. I know there's a lot of

1118
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:48,400
disagreement on some of the history of
it. The one thing I all I can say is

1119
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:52,000
that for decades that building was the
scout hut.

1120
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:59,040
» That's what it was that's what it was
known by. That's what everyone kind of

1121
01:33:54,000 --> 01:34:04,639
just can agree with. But folks,
you've got an opportunity

1122
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:08,880
as a community.
And these scouts are part of that

1123
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:13,440
opportunity to do some great and some
wonderful things. And as I was sitting

1124
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:17,120
there and there were a number of times I
just closed my eyes and I started

1125
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:21,440
praying
because y'all need a lot of prayers and

1126
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:25,760
help me in my prayers
>> because there's a lot of healing that

1127
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:31,120
needs to take place
>> and these scouts are trying to to live

1128
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:35,440
by and they started off with the oath
from the law and that's what they're

1129
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:40,639
trying to live by. and you've got some
parents who are dedicated teaching them

1130
01:34:38,159 --> 01:34:46,960
and some other other young people in the
community. But I just um we want to

1131
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:50,960
clarify that Chris and I we the bald
hair head and this that and the other

1132
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:56,400
but there's a lot of the resemblances in
there but uh but that's who I am say

1133
01:34:53,440 --> 01:35:01,520
Steven Wagner but I work for the council
but just God bless y'all and you know

1134
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:08,159
and the energy
that and the caring that y'all have on

1135
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:12,960
both sides of issues for your community
and just please please

1136
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:18,080
uh worked on some of the healing that
that I know needs to occur. That's one

1137
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:22,400
of the things scouting teaches
is that that we're supposed to get along

1138
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:26,679
with people. That's one of the things
that we teach. But God bless you.

1139
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:38,360
I have a question,
ma'am. If uh

1140
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:48,639
» Nicole, if you if uh leadership would if
the council agrees to it and give you a

1141
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:52,800
lease
with that, you would have the

1142
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:57,360
protection, but is it possible that
volunteers and the scouts would work

1143
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:00,000
together to make that building ADA
compliant?

1144
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:10,800
You're talking about tens of thousands
of dollars doorways and bathrooms.

1145
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:15,360
» That's not on the Boy Scouts. That's
that as far as surpassing what we could

1146
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:19,520
offer as far as community service. We
are all for community service. I mean,

1147
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:25,520
let let all you got to do is look
outside. We we're responsible for the

1148
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:30,480
the walking trail. I mean, the the the
like my son said, the flags and crosses

1149
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:34,159
on the headstones of our fallen soldiers
when nobody else would show up to help.

1150
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:37,440
And that that was the Boy Scouts. We put
in our fair share of community service,

1151
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:41,520
but that's not community service that
should be put on.

1152
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:45,040
» Half of our our kids are cubs. I mean,
we only have three that are Boy Scout

1153
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:48,480
age. The rest are cubs.
>> I think you're misunderstanding my

1154
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:52,800
statement. No one's saying if we make it
a lease, we're solely for the Boy

1155
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:56,000
Scouts. It's no one else use just the
boy scouts.

1156
01:36:54,320 --> 01:37:02,880
» And it's your ability. You wouldn't have
to do it immediately over time to make

1157
01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:09,199
should a scout come along that has a
disability that you would have sometimes

1158
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:15,920
the building like you did to Chris
Underwood and his troops too.

1159
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:19,520
It would be too expensive to make it ADA
compliant. And oh, guess what? we get to

1160
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:24,320
demolish it like we wanted to in the
first place. That's would be my concern.

1161
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:27,719
» So, no. I I say no.
>> Good.

1162
01:37:24,639 --> 01:37:27,719
» All right.

1163
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:42,159
» And Lisa that that even Mr. myself said
that it looks

1164
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:45,360
» appropriate given the
>> I would like for that to be addressed

1165
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:50,560
before anything else.
>> As the city attorney said, you wouldn't

1166
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:55,040
need an ADA compliant for yourself.
>> Unless someone came along who wanted to

1167
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:59,600
be a boy scout, they would need it. So
you wouldn't need to do that any work at

1168
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:03,040
all until that arises is what I was
thinking. No, don't

1169
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:07,119
not
>> I'm saying solely lease the building.

1170
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:10,239
» That's right.
>> To the Boy Scouts alone.

1171
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,360
» Okay.
>> Not be on the shoulders of the Boy

1172
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:18,960
Scouts of the BSA to make you are
building 88 to do what you should

1173
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:22,960
» only if your need only if your need
arises for a boy scout because you say

1174
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:28,080
you don't need it until you have someone
who who needs a ramp. I don't I don't

1175
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:32,560
know a person a person person you don't
have

1176
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:35,520
» but there may be a person come along
>> that's all that's all I'm trying to do

1177
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:41,840
is guarantee that you will do
accommodation what you said you would

1178
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:48,560
» I'd like to make him a suggestion that
uh we take time to talk about and uh I

1179
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:52,400
be a bridge to go between you I
understand what Brian's saying and I

1180
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:58,800
don't think what he's saying is wrong
and certainly the city attorney the idea

1181
01:38:54,480 --> 01:39:02,080
that We want to make it com compatible.
By throwing those together, we're

1182
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:05,920
creating a fight here that there doesn't
have to be, right?

1183
01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:09,119
» You need a bu building to be in. It
sounds like the council's willing to

1184
01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:15,360
give you the building.
>> Now, if we add an extra thing of how do

1185
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:18,000
we fix it up, you would have a lease so
you're not being thrown out.

1186
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:22,080
» Exactly.
>> And so, let's all think about that

1187
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:25,600
because I know we're all emotional right
now over all of this,

1188
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:28,960
» okay? because it hit everybody wrong
that we were going to charge the Boy

1189
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:32,280
Scouts for a meeting.
>> That's ridiculous.

1190
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:39,760
» Right.
>> But what about the other part?

1191
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:43,199
» No. No. The whole building the whole
building leaves the Boy Scouts. We're

1192
01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:47,360
not talking about
>> Yeah. Let's Let's talk about it. Okay.

1193
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:52,880
Can we just take a break and think about
it and let Brad look at the proposal?

1194
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:55,360
» Let the council talk about it.
>> Yeah.

1195
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:59,600
» Yeah. Let's just make sure
>> there was there was a mention of the

1196
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:04,320
other building less for 25 years. I'm
saying maybe again I'm not trying to

1197
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:07,679
iron this out tonight but the other
building had 25 years.

1198
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:12,639
» Maybe we could make lease like that with
Boy Scouts. There are contentions. I if

1199
01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:17,119
you if you move away then all bets are
off and and of course that would

1200
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:23,760
terminate the lease. I'm saying we need
to iron out the details of the lease.

1201
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:27,920
Uh, and I would hope
that if girl scouts want to use a

1202
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:32,400
building, I'm sure they can come to the
Boy Scouts and you guys work something

1203
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:35,840
out among the two groups.
>> You don't need us involved in it.

1204
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:41,320
» Absolutely.
>> You see what I'm saying?

1205
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:41,320
» We thought you were just talking about

1206
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:50,639
» I'm one person.
All right. So, we have an open line of

1207
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:55,920
communication. We have two ideas on both
sides and let's try to put them

1208
01:40:52,159 --> 01:41:01,560
together. Is that fair for everybody?
>> Do I have a motion to adjourn?

1209
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:01,560
» I'd like

1210
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,760
» Yes.

1211
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,360
I don't think so.

1212
01:41:55,040 --> 01:42:04,880
My name is R. Johnston. Uh, since I've
been uh referenced tonight in mayor's

1213
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:08,800
veto, I wanted to come up and talk. I'd
like to comment on the mayor's reference

1214
01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:14,080
to stacking committees in reference to
his veto. Last year, after a review

1215
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:18,960
council was voted in following a
building committee meeting the mayor

1216
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:24,000
attended, the mayor spoke to all of us
after the meeting concluded and before

1217
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:28,719
we left, the mayor asked if we could all
resign so he could reappoint us all so

1218
01:42:26,639 --> 01:42:33,600
that our term would exceed the term of
new council.

1219
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:40,000
present were when we were asked by the
mayor were myself, Dan Robinson, David

1220
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:44,080
Delvakio, and Mark Savano. I asked the
mayor if that was legal. The mayor

1221
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:51,119
responded he would look into it and get
back to us. He never did get back to us.

1222
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:54,679
Mr. Psych, did he ever ask for your
opinion on that?

1223
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:04,719
Okay. Thank you.
>> I never asked but

1224
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:09,440
» there are people saying that I am
soliciting for committee members. I

1225
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:13,760
would like to clarify that our
committees, the city's committees are

1226
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:17,520
required to have a number of members.
The mayor has been aware of this for

1227
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:21,679
over 11 months. The issue has been
brought to his attention on several

1228
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:25,840
times. One issue is the zoning committee
is supposed to have three members from

1229
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:29,679
planning committee on it. The mayor
failed to appoint anyone. In an effort

1230
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:34,320
to add the required members from the
planning committee on the zoning

1231
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:38,639
committee, I I did speak to two planning
committee members at Dogwood days to see

1232
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:44,320
if they would be open to joining if they
were nominated. That was the extent of

1233
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:50,320
my involvement. As for the mayor's
comment referring if I am mayor now too,

1234
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:55,520
I am not the mayor. I am not running for
mayor either as there seems to be some

1235
01:43:52,320 --> 01:44:00,480
rumor that I am. The mayor is
responsible for lawful compliance to our

1236
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:08,480
city ordinances, including the committee
member nomination and ordinance 2007-03.

1237
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:12,880
That did not happen recently. During the
zoning and adjustments committee

1238
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:17,920
meeting, Mity Balman,
and I welcome you to our committee,

1239
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:23,119
presented as a committee member,
unbeknownst to me as the chairman and

1240
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:30,320
others on this committee. There was no
communication of this by the mayor. Did

1241
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:38,360
the council approve this nomination?
>> And I did give everyone a copy of the

1242
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:38,360
ordinance, which is the law. Thank you.

1243
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:56,000
» Anything else?
>> May I ask a question? Sure.

1244
01:44:53,600 --> 01:45:02,239
» Well, I don't The Chamber of Commerce
building is there um is it ADA

1245
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,639
compliant?
>> No.

1246
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,480
» No, it is not.
>> We didn't do any work on so we didn't

1247
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:11,520
have to.
>> And I read something about a lease with

1248
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:15,040
the Horseshoe Ben Chamber of Commerce
where they paid nothing.

1249
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:21,520
» There was no money mentioned in the
lease.

1250
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:27,119
» Um now it seems that it's become the
County Chamber of Commerce. Would that

1251
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:30,320
not void that leak at the Horseshoe Ben
Chamber of Commerce?

1252
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:34,679
» Possibly.
>> It's doing business at

1253
01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:41,600
» the DBS.
>> But why are they paying no rent?

1254
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:47,040
» Medical board.
>> The Horseshoe Bend Medical Board donated

1255
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:51,199
the city to the building and the city
took it over.

1256
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:57,679
» Yeah. And there was no money exchanged.
And the mayor at that time gave us like

1257
01:45:54,480 --> 01:46:00,000
a 99 year lease just like they
>> for nothing,

1258
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:04,719
» right? Because we don't
>> Why can't the city give the boy scout

1259
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:09,440
this building for 99 years for nothing?
>> Well, like the mayor said while ago, we

1260
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we haven't had time to talk about it. It
got out of hand last time and this

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tonight we got more information on the
same.

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So what is the chamber of commerce
building?

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01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:28,239
» It's 88. It has a ramp and it has a
handicap bathroom in the back hallway.

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» About 20 years ago.
>> It was a medical.

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01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:35,840
» Yeah, it was a building. Had to have it.
Diane,

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» agreement was it served as a welcome
center for the city as well. So that was

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kind of the give and take of it. So
>> because it was housed in the bottom of

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the mall down.
>> So who pays the utilities?

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» We do. The the chamber does not we um
>> the chamber pays

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» the chamber pays for all the bills. They
pay for heating and air. They pay for

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the roof. Not the new roof, but the
architectural shingle roof that was put

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on about seven years ago. They pay the
water, the phone, the internet. They pay

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all of it.
>> Correct, Donnie?

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01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:16,480
» Okay.
and the insurance

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01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:20,800
» on the building and all the activities
on the year. They have the insurance one

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01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:24,800
reason that's one reason I was proposing
a similar lease with Boy Scouts

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01:47:23,119 --> 01:47:27,520
» is that was mentioned in her
presentation

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» at the Chamber of Commerce building.
That's one reason I said we do it for

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01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:34,480
them. We could do it from the Boy Scouts
and

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» that's why I brought it up. The medical
board couldn't keep a doctor in there

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01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:42,080
because every time they got a doctor in
there, whether it was Back Baxter, White

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01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:45,600
River, the building was just sitting
there with no doctor in it. We were

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01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:50,400
paying for insurance. There was things
that needed to be done to the building.

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01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:54,320
So, at that time, the medical board came
to the city and asked if they could

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donate it and the city took it over.
>> What is the reason for it being a DBA

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01:47:57,199 --> 01:48:03,440
» instead of maintaining the horse?
>> It's a long story. It had to do with

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01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:09,280
Amber Hartman back
>> when she tried to take over the

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01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:13,760
horseshoe Benjamin McGumber's title. We
had to go and

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paper
>> because it wasn't a 5013C.

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01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:25,600
» It wasn't a nonprofit. It wasn't a
nonprofit organization and Amberly tried

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01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:32,000
to get it as a a nonprofit organization,
but my understanding is the chamber

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01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:36,880
didn't pay or meet her demands and she
said, "I'm not giving it to you." So,

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01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:41,920
they went ahead and filed with another
title and made it a nonprofit

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organization. Correctly.
>> But is is it a nonprofit?

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01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:50,199
» Yes, it is a nonprofit. We have three.

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01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:59,280
» Okay. Is there any other fights or bad
news we can admit? We have things we

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were doing so good at the next stop
building.

1298
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:11,679
» The
Crown Point RV Park is hosting the trunk

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01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:14,560
or treat like we do every year. The fire
department will be out there giving away

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01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:18,159
free hot water, selling the kids and
costumes and

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01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:21,880
water and and stuff like that. So
everybody come on out

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01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:30,440
» Friday everybody's going to be sport
greyhounds and another

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01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:30,440
» win.

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01:49:32,639 --> 01:49:36,960
» I'll make a motion later.
>> We have a motion. We have a second.

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01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:43,800
» Second.
>> All those in favor? All right. Bye.

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Baby,

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Got your pipe.