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call the regular meeting order we
already upped the pledge

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i pledge allegiance to flag of the
united states of america and to the

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republic for which it stands one nation
under god indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all

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okay you all have a copy of the agenda
are there any additions or corrections

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to the agenda

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okay hearing none is there any
you want to do the public hearing first

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for the basic code before you do public
comment then you want to go exactly as

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we got it on order here

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yes
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how far are we going to go okay so first
we're going to do this public hearing

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how are you going to run that i mean
then we run into on aven

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to adopt it so how much discussion do
you want to do on

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i would say you could see if anyone from
the public wants to comment we could

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respond to their
comments directly and then the rest of

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the discussion then go into regular
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so right now we're having the public
hearing on the basic code update

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comments
this is kind of weird

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this felt weird okay
so do you want to go into

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discussing any of the updates on there
chris now or do you want to do this by

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the regular meeting

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i would say we can do it during the
regular meeting okay

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so this
was basically just a formality this

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right six o'clock thanks i think
everybody here's for regular meeting

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right
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you guys got anything on the
basic code

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jay is here for something later on okay
so we'll close the public hearing

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public comment period it's not making
anything for the public commentators

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it's not already on the agenda
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b that's a basic code

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all those formalities back to the basic
code

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the
planning commission did go

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over some of the sections of the basic
code that are related to zoning

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the rest of the basic code update

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planning commission does not have to
review its other other rules for the

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city
and about every three or four years the

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publisher of our basic code that we use
does an update to make sure everything's

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up to
up to par with state law and so they

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issue a new update which now we're
looking at the two their 2014 update

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and in addition to what they've changed
just for state law and other minor

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changes
the planning commission has talked about

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some new language pertaining to
garages this is in the zoning garages

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and

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garages and dwelling units

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and in the current
well current basic code and the proposed

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it's all the same and the proposed code
there's not a definition for garage

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so we've had a lot of questions at city
hall what's what's allowed for a garage

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and
i think it's it would probably work best

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for everyone if that was defined
in our old zoning that we had before we

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adopted the basic code we did have
garage defined

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and it was defined as a three-car garage
as a maximum size well that's

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it doesn't give dimension so that's kind
of hard to say well one person's

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three-car garage is different than
somebody else's so at the planning

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commission level we talked about
actually putting a maximum square foot

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on the garage so right now what's
proposed is

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1200 square foot
maximum or 125 percent of the footprint

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of the house whichever is less so if you
have a really small house if someone

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just puts up kind of a
shoebox house you can't put up a monster

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garage it has to be somewhat in
proportion

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so
i think this is good language i guess

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the question is is 1200 square foot
a good size some three car garages are

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actually a little bigger than that we
just got an application one was 1260.

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so
i don't know if you want to bump that up

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and then the other thing there's there's
something

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in the regular zoning that between the
house and the garage can't take up x

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amount of percentage of the lot right so
it can't be over 50

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of hard surface

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what if somebody has two lots
right they have two full lots

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well this would be like an average lot
is about 8 000 square feet so if you

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have a
house that's let's say

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2000 i mean be real generous and then
you have a 1200 square foot

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garage you're still under that 50
so that 50 percent really comes into

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play to make sure somebody doesn't pave
their whole lot

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because it's any hard surface it's not
just building

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so that's to make sure it's you know
not completely impervious and then all

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the water would run on the neighbor so
that's what that 50

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is after it is kind of a catch-all for
these other things too for the size of

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house and garage if they really got
baked but um

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i think the two things here to consider
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the 1200 square foot
you know do you want to bump that up a

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little and then the other regulation
here it does say

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under private garage which is in the
residential areas it would be for

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passenger vehicles and trucks not
exceeding 12 000 pounds gross weight so

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that's basically saying they can't have
their commercial vehicles there

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which
makes sense in a residential but

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are we going to be able to enforce that
and how many people already have

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commercial vehicles that they store
there

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and is that
acceptable

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i'd rather see them stored inside right
than the outside right

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very good point so if they were allowed
in the garage then that's a good thing

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then they're parked inside
i do think we should bump that square

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footage up though because more people
something these people are building

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right
right yeah people are building

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neighborhoods
30 by 40 that's pretty big yeah mine's

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like 24 by 34. i mean i'd rather have
that than have a couple of smaller

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storage sheds i'd rather have i mean i
think it looks nicer if you've got one

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big garage storage
with storage versus a bunch of little

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essentially 35 by 35 is
the footprint of my house

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it's pretty big
if you were to put parked cars on it

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and the attack would be this would be
the maximum for all garages so if

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somebody perhaps wanted to build two
smaller garages detached this total

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would be for those combined what's your
what's your garage

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i thought it was like 24 by 34.
yeah so you're just a good size two-car

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garage and you've got good storage in
every size

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well no no not a lot but i mean you have
extra extra definitely

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square feet this is allowing an extra

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400 square feet to that size you're only
at two-thirds of the max right now

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and then the other factor is
the existing or the older lots in town

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are smaller than the new
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i don't know that we want to get into
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two different ones the one that's
proposed is for one of the vacant lots

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out at prairie meadows and it's a 30 by
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garage which is a pretty decent sized
three-car garage it's got some storage

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on each side and an extra 10 foot
deep so

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it's amazing how many garages are not
even used to store

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cars in
and you still have the limiting factor

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of the 125 percent of the footprint of
the house yeah so it's not like everyone

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could build a 1300 square foot right so
i'm thinking because you do have

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you do have
other things in place to control it so

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you're not going to have these big
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on the small lots
on a small lot with a small house you're

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not going to have this huge grudge
because you've got other things that

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control
the size

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so
cheryl i heard you

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recommend 1300 and i wouldn't go any
less than 1300 i don't think

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is this recommendation from eda i mean
is this it's a recommendation from

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planning commission but it's going to
get changed

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well
if you've got somebody else already

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wanting to build a larger garage and
you're gonna see that all the time

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everybody's gonna they're always wanting
bigger garages

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and like i said i think that would be a
whole lot nicer looking

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than having an extra small storage shed
on a property and especially

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if they have the size of a house to
support that size of a garage and that

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size a lot to support that size of the
garage that says drivers can be a

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greater value
as far as taxable property higher taxes

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yeah
and and i think at the planning

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commission we were
focusing more so on the

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the older lots and i don't know the
smaller residential lots i don't know

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within the city so we could either have
two different regulations for the

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different sizes
because we've got the other 125 percent

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of the footprint and i think that's
where the change came in tony is that

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then this would if if it got bumped up
it would cover both the new lots

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and the older lots under one regulation
which would be simpler to enforce

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okay because as long as you've got
something in there to control the size

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of it for someone with a smaller house
and the smaller lots

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right
yeah there is yeah

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material planning and zoning will let
you make if you don't see that in a

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motion don't you since you've got it on
here or do we just change it not accept

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it well we will

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assuming everything we come up with
recommendations on everything you can

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adopt
the entire basic code update at one time

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so we just need to make note on what
you're

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approaching is everybody else
take these monstrosity garages though

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can be a negative on the value of the
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i mean i look at houses that are i look
at two houses across the street from me

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and there's absolutely no yard in either
one

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but and me you can't do that now though
right with the with the 50

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and uh 125 i bet they probably both fit
in that still

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or maybe you take that 125 percent and
decrease that

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i i just would be just as a
as a if i was coming in with a family i

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would be like where's my yard on my yard
i would be uninterested in that house

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see a lot of home buyers are interested
in one of their main things the

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questions are kitchen bathroom and crush

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oftentimes when they're looking
you know as far as value

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what would be the process of we leave it
at 12 and then someone came in and wants

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that 1260. is there a
camera there's no there's no variance

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there's a variance okay it's just like a
reason i think you'd brought up she said

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what if they had two lots
right but you can't build a garage on a

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lot in town so you can't just say i'm
gonna build a garage on this slot so if

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someone had two lots they couldn't even
do that they have to build a house and

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then they can build a garage
so you know that that even you know we

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we have those things in place and
you know the the issue is like matt says

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there's a problem with these monstrosity
garages the garage mahal issue

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um
and and then do you want your community

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as a whole
to look like a brownstone community

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which is there's no grass there's no
nothing it's just house upon house upon

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house one house and whatever in the back
and then there's nothing there's no

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green space
we're a small town people aren't moving

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here to
to live amongst the sidewalks they want

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to have some lawn they want to have some
grass

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so i mean a
1200 square foot garage to me seems like

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it's got plenty of room on it but you
know if you're talking about a bigger

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lot
that's what it is

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because the lots of prairie are bigger
than the ones in the city right yeah

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quite a bit
tell them how many exceptions are in

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town for example i have a three acre and
a one acre lot

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i can only build it you know i could
build a large thing but apparently this

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i can only build on either of those i
can only put a

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1200
garage on mine right and i think that

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the houses the newer houses that are
built

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are going to have the attached garage
so they're going to be

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limited
width-wise how how big their garage can

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be
yeah because they still have setbacks

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that they have to abide by does this
take into account though if it's an

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attached garage or is this just separate
garage either or either one

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i think this is gonna
i mean i don't think you're gonna have

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issues with 1200 square foot garages in
the new development

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necessarily
because they're going to be they're

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going to want everybody wants them
attached where they wanted to tap it

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somebody's already submitted plans for
bigger

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which means
people are looking at but there's going

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to be someone that could potentially
come to a town and say well i want a

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bigger garage than that but by by
limiting that though and they've got the

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space by limiting it
you're limiting the value

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then also how much green space do they
have remaining

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they meet the 50
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i'm going to say the house is probably
1700 square feet

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16 or 1700.
and there is extra room in that in that

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example
extra

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above and beyond three cars
so it is a generous size i don't think

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it's
so it's it's crazy big but in that case

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um
so we're taking we're looking at

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changing
this number for one particular

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overall because of prairie meadows
because the size of the lots out there

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but i mean we're getting somebody that's
coming through and saying they want a

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garage that's how big
6 16. 60 60 so in a year somebody else

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builds and they're going to want one
even bigger so we're just going to keep

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upping this i agree we already have an
ordinance in place though at that point

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in time you know right now we don't have
a defined

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definition
and technically because another one the

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permit application has been submitted
this adoption of this ordinance will not

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be official until it's published
so chances are

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that application will go through because
it's grandfathered or whatever term

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you'll use

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and
we can change this again at a later date

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if
everyone's more comfortable with

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keeping it at the 1200 and
we find out we're having more issues

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with that then we could always change it
again i'm just thinking more and more

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people if they've got the space
want their garages not only their

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vehicles but men put shops in there they
you know they like their

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wood shops or their lawnmowers their
toys their lawnmowers people are getting

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riding lawn mowers they're getting more
and more things that don't fit

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in smaller garages
and if they've got the space

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if they make the space constraint i
don't understand what the problem is

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because they can't go two-story it's got
to stay one story right but i thought

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that was somewhere where it's gotta be
one story they can't go two stars

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anymore right right and the garages well
there's a height limit i don't know

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they're in height limit

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so they could still do a
barn style garage that they could have

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storage up above i believe trusses or
something which would be

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so what's your guys's opposition to
taking the size up

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i think 1200 square feet is plenty you
know if you just did the math

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oh just based on that i mean i mean to
you it's plenty but maybe the the guy

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that's building it
it just depends where you put it yeah i

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mean i could think i could give you a
handful of houses in town but their lots

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aren't big enough their houses aren't
big enough to support it's terrible but

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that but then it would be greater than
125 so they wouldn't be able to build

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and they wouldn't even if they wanted to
they wouldn't meet setbacks they

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wouldn't make setbacks they wouldn't
make the 125 percent because those lots

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are much smaller than the parameters i
guess so even if we set that in and we

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don't want a thousand they wouldn't be
able to because their lot wouldn't in

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the size of their house they wouldn't be
able i guess

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for example if they were to have
something like a lot and a half

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it would allow them to put something a
little bit bigger on

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and it wouldn't look it wouldn't take up
the entire

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yeah like i have i have a lot in the
third my garage could be bigger and i'd

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still make the setbacks and i'd still
make everything because i have a lot and

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a third
but

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my neighbor has two-thirds of a lot
where she wouldn't be able to because

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she wouldn't meet the setbacks she
couldn't even have the size of garage

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that i have because she wouldn't make
setbacks or the 50 on it or the 50

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percent
and i think we're seeing i see that some

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development out there now i don't think
we want to discourage that in any way

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that's what i'm thinking you know we're
discouraging and we're trying to hold

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people back going oh we want you to
build here but you know you can only

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have a little house with a little garage
and you know 1200 is a good size you

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know i guess
if you look at what a what a stall would

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be a garage door is what eight
wide and a car is 20 you know even if

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you call that 10 and they're maximum 20
foot long that's

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you know 200
square foot per car times three that's

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600 so everything else is like extra
space for getting in and out of the

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doors and the shop and everything you're
talking about especially but storing

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stuff in there too well the thing is
sitting right inside you can't put a

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basement out in prairie
so you gotta you gotta consider the

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people that are
space because

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there's no basement so where are you
going to store your store in your garage

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and we encourage people to keep that
stuff off of their

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out of their yards and off the streets
and whatever this way it's

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i don't want to discourage people from
building

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you know i could say i'm looking at the
tax side of it is

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the guy just a little bit bigger that
property has a little more value if the

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house if the house if if the house is
big enough to substantiate that that

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size and that's actually a good size
house i mean that's the things too that

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has to be a good size house
to support

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a 1260 foot
garage right right well probably about a

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thousand square foot because 125
times that so a thousand square foot

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is big like if you had a two story
um but if it's just a one story it's not

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that big of a house

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so in most cases it's the it's the
number you pick the 1200 or the 1300

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that's going to control
unless somebody had a really small house

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like
600 square feet or something then

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they're going to be limited by the 125
or you can change the 125 this is

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he wasn't weighed in
i think like i said you don't want to

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you don't want to stop people from
building that's one thing we don't want

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to do and i think none of uh i'm
thinking for myself i'm not a

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professional builder knowing what people
are building garages now at

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what sizes they're building you know so
i hate i don't i don't like to put a

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number on something not being
knowledgeable on on what it is maybe

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that's what people are building now is a
1260 foot garage so i mean i hate to

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i hate to put a number on that i'm not
real familiar with people are building

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but we we want to keep that from the
backyards getting these

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which we already have
i understand that point too

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so we want to keep that down so we don't
have these

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basically two houses
who knows what we have on some of these

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some of these lots with their garages
so we have to put something in place so

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maybe maybe that's the number if that's
what i don't know where that number came

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from or who you know if that's just kind
of a standard size

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it is based on some other cities and um
okay

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actually
i think the city of cannon falls or one

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of the cities had 1500 square feet as
their maximum

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so it was probably on the low end for
ultimate max

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ken falls has different way different
building opportunities and that's yeah

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some cities don't even reference it this
way so it's really hard to just compare

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some cities actually did it based on the
lot size

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a percentage of a lot which

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is tricky i think it has more to do with
the house and the difference between

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1200
or 1300

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that's only a 10 by 10 piece on that
garage or shed there nobody's going to

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walk down the street and notice that
difference so the real hang up is going

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to 1300 just go to 30 but you're going
to know the difference in storage space

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yeah you know what's that but i said but
you'd know the difference in storage

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space if you know that storage
walking down the street

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yeah your lawn mowers and all that stuff
would easily fit in you know that and i

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think now if you're going to spend if
you're going to take the expense to

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build the garage
nowadays most people got two three cars

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they're going to build now you're going
to build a three-car garage if you have

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the room and you're going to think i
want to store my mower or whatever

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inside so you can see where i can well
that's in hindsight i would have made

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mine bigger exactly i don't think mine's
big yeah i know what you never have

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enough room you know i don't think
anybody feels they have enough room

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probably in their
their garage but

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if you're going to go through the
expense and the time to do it you're

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going to build something that's going to
hold your

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people just have more cars and toys now
than they had

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like i said you know guys have shops and
yes

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i make a motion to increase it to 300
square feet make the rest of the

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ordinance the same
move in the 12th the 12 000

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column for the commercial vehicle

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for the weight yeah

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or take that out because like you're
saying cheryl you want to encourage them

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if they had something like that to park
in we're not going to go

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what twelve thousand pounds you know
what i mean like a suburban is nine 000

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yeah it isn't super big like i think
compared to some of the vehicles we have

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today but it's it's going to make it
yeah and i think the definition i don't

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know if it's mndot or somewhere i mean a
commercial vehicle starts at the 12 000.

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so
any passenger vehicle suburban even a

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350 pickup truck i think was under 10
000 or about there too

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but i i'm guessing there are cases in
town where somebody does bring their

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work
vehicle home or might have i don't know

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if you guys know any examples but
in front of my house

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yeah do you want to park down the street
right

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now i'll change my mind it doesn't
matter

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he doesn't park a vehicle to remove the
not quick seat twelve 000 pounds gross

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weight
and to add these work for the garage

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maximum 1300 square feet
and that part was not from planning

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commission that came from
a definition i

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got from prior so

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you have an actual motion out there now
yes we are

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wait a second

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can you repeat exactly what that was
your motion um on the uh

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ordinance here
removing the not to exceed twelve

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thousand pounds girl's weight okay um
and extend the or increase the 1200 or

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from 1200 to 1300 square feet on the
feet on the garage

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i'll second it
any more discussions

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in favor say hi

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emotion

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well these two sections are really the
new language so the rest of it should go

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quicker but do peddlers now
um

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not quite we're still on lots
requirements

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so
for residential for the lot requirements

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our old zoning before we adopted the
basic code was very clear it said

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one dwelling structure per parcel
which would eliminate any

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confusion about whether you can have
a second living quarters either in a

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garage or build a second house or
anything like that

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so that would clear that up
the other three on the bottom here are

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that um
any dwelling unit

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or no dwelling unit should be less than
20 feet at its narrowest so that's

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making sure that it's you know

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a stick built house in most cases in
residential

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and that they should be placed on a
permanent foundation

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and that they should have a pitched row

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so let me ask a question then just
because i want to clarify just because i

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know the question will come up
because tony said if you've got so if

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somebody's got two lots like out in
prairie some of the people are buying

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two lots
does it mean only one dwelling structure

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per partial does that mean only dwelling
part dwelling structures can be built on

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a parcel or
only one residential on a parcel can a

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person build a garage on a parcel or is
that limiting it so they can't can they

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have their garage so you could build a
house and this person

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in their house on this parcel if
if that was proposed i would

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have them go to the county and combine
the two parcels into one person

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okay pretty good process okay okay
you're saying if they want to build a

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garage over on yeah yeah yeah so they
want you know a bigger lot so they buy

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two of them because they want a bigger
lots and then they just get them

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combined
we don't have any say in that and

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whether someone can
well they're still limited to that 1300

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oh no i'm not talking about just making
it one person i'm just saying i'm just

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saying though what if they do buy two
you know because there's some of the

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folks out there that have two what if
they want to build a garage on the other

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one yeah like i don't think there's much
expense going to the county together

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because otherwise if they were remain
two parcels and that person lived there

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with the house in the garage
it would be real it'd be easier for them

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to just sell off the parcel with the
garage and unfortunately when those

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transactions happen they don't need the
city's permission for a real estate

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transaction so by us requiring before we
get the building permit that they

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combine the parcels
that would

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prevent that
and we don't have that was my question

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we don't have any say whether someone
can combine two lots i mean if we

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have a you know
subdivision or whatever out there and we

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say okay we've got
20 lots and someone says well i'm going

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to buy these two and now we're going
down to 19. do we have any control

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saying no we're not allowing that out
there or is that just

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a county thing they can just do
if you purchase two lots you can't

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control them turning it into one parcel
if they request that from economy that's

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what i'm saying i mean we
unless there was something like in

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prairie meadows if there was something
real specific in the covenants that's

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you know we have our zonings has a
minimum lot size i suppose covenants

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could have
a maximum to ensure more lots within the

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development some of that gets
you know i'd have to look into it it

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gets trickier to enforce so we have to
change the covenants and go through with

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that process
i'm just asking the general question so

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that if
we were to i can't even think of a

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problem but if there was a problem can
we say anything does the county consult

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with us
you know do they check covenants and say

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oh no we can't do that here because
they're saying these lots have to stay

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let's wait for the covenants or whatever
or they can just say yep they're two now

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they're one right as long as they meet
the criteria for the county and i and i

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have it in my office she sent it to me
that it has to be under the same

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ownership
um

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and a few other things and then the
county will do that for them so

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so is that what the e1 is saying is only
a house

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can be built on that where does it say
it that you can't put a garage on a lot

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or do we need to clarify that because
that is just saying only one dwelling

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structure is allowed meaning you can't
put two houses on there but it's not

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saying that you can't put a garage in
there part of the ordinance i refer to

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is there a different that's what i want
is there a difference is there a

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different part that addresses that
yes

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came up in another
meeting we had where

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someone said that about having garage on
a lot you say we and i can't remember

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right if you were there at the time
randy steinfeld said

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that's the ordinance you can't just
build a garage on a lot so if there's

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another piece then we're fine
i just didn't know if this was the only

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sentence dressing together there's
another piece it's in the permitted use

444
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for a residential district so it says a
permitted use is a dwelling

445
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and the only place that references a
garage is under accessory use

446
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so an accessory use is secondary to a
principal use so it's not real clear

447
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it's knowing how zoning is is written
but as long as it's worded someplace

448
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,919
else then i'm fine i just didn't know if
this was the only way only place that it

449
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was worded so then that that's right i
mean it would be nice sometimes to just

450
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say it very clear so then anybody
reading it understands that

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and
i guess we could even

452
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add that in here in that e1
so this isn't spelled out then in that

453
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other part
no i'm talking okay okay

454
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no it's it's sort of an assumed that by
a permitted use

455
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,880
it allows
a dwelling unit it doesn't talk about

456
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,720
allowing two structures on a parcel but
it's not real clear so this clears it up

457
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:19,279
basically you can't have you know uncle
fred living out in the garage correct

458
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,320
and that's it's been that way ever since
we've adapted the basic color

459
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:29,240
it's
the permitted use has been

460
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not anymore

461
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okay so if everyone's
okay with the rest of that language i

462
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:43,120
guess we can move on to some of the
other sections

463
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,640
okay
okay so

464
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:51,600
that had to do with the zoning and then
the other proposed

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language is in a section on
peddlers solicitors and transient

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00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:59,200
merchants
this is a section that's already in the

467
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:04,799
basic code and with the basic code
template says is that

468
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if you want to license

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00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,559
these fedora solicitors and transient
merchants you need to

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00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:15,279
adopt a special resolution that says
you're going to enact licensing for them

471
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:19,519
i don't know that that happened when you
adopted the basic code last time so i'm

472
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:24,720
not recommending we do that i mean a
whole another licensing

473
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:29,360
process i don't think is needed
i think what

474
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,279
would be helpful is is to regulate it in
a little bit different way

475
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:38,559
because the licensing would
let's say for um

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00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:42,000
the solicitors or you know would give us
if they did come in and give us the

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00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:46,559
chance to run a background check if it's
a food vendor a mobile food truck it

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would give us the chance to to make sure
we got a copy of their department of

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00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:52,640
health license
it would give us a chance to check all

480
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,600
those things
just so

481
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:58,720
we didn't have anybody showing up on any
weekend

482
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:02,159
setting up in town
because then we'd have a license and

483
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:05,279
we'd have to go through that process
another way to do it would just be to

484
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:10,640
say
to look at what houston

485
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:14,080
how it operates now and when do we have
transient merchants would be like

486
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:18,159
somebody setting up a truck to sell
something and agriculture is exempt in

487
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:22,080
case anyone was wondering so somebody's
selling you know farmer's market type

488
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,840
stuff that's exempt but if somebody set
up shop to sell trinkets