[0:00] call the regular meeting order we
already upped the pledge
[0:05] i pledge allegiance to flag of the
united states of america and to the
[0:09] republic for which it stands one nation
under god indivisible with liberty and
[0:15] justice for all
[0:19] okay you all have a copy of the agenda
are there any additions or corrections
[0:22] to the agenda
[0:25] okay hearing none is there any
you want to do the public hearing first
[0:30] for the basic code before you do public
comment then you want to go exactly as
[0:33] we got it on order here
[0:37] yes
okay
[0:39] how far are we going to go okay so first
we're going to do this public hearing
[0:42] how are you going to run that i mean
then we run into on aven
[0:47] to adopt it so how much discussion do
you want to do on
[0:50] i would say you could see if anyone from
the public wants to comment we could
[0:54] respond to their
comments directly and then the rest of
[0:57] the discussion then go into regular
business
[1:00] so right now we're having the public
hearing on the basic code update
[1:06] comments
this is kind of weird
[1:13] this felt weird okay
so do you want to go into
[1:18] discussing any of the updates on there
chris now or do you want to do this by
[1:20] the regular meeting
[1:24] i would say we can do it during the
regular meeting okay
[1:27] so this
was basically just a formality this
[1:31] right six o'clock thanks i think
everybody here's for regular meeting
[1:34] right
dan marlene
[1:37] you guys got anything on the
basic code
[1:41] jay is here for something later on okay
so we'll close the public hearing
[1:45] public comment period it's not making
anything for the public commentators
[1:48] it's not already on the agenda
okay
[1:52] b that's a basic code
[1:59] all those formalities back to the basic
code
[2:02] the
planning commission did go
[2:06] over some of the sections of the basic
code that are related to zoning
[2:12] the rest of the basic code update
[2:17] planning commission does not have to
review its other other rules for the
[2:20] city
and about every three or four years the
[2:23] publisher of our basic code that we use
does an update to make sure everything's
[2:27] up to
up to par with state law and so they
[2:30] issue a new update which now we're
looking at the two their 2014 update
[2:36] and in addition to what they've changed
just for state law and other minor
[2:40] changes
the planning commission has talked about
[2:44] some new language pertaining to
garages this is in the zoning garages
[2:49] and
[2:58] garages and dwelling units
[3:07] and in the current
well current basic code and the proposed
[3:11] it's all the same and the proposed code
there's not a definition for garage
[3:17] so we've had a lot of questions at city
hall what's what's allowed for a garage
[3:21] and
i think it's it would probably work best
[3:25] for everyone if that was defined
in our old zoning that we had before we
[3:30] adopted the basic code we did have
garage defined
[3:34] and it was defined as a three-car garage
as a maximum size well that's
[3:39] it doesn't give dimension so that's kind
of hard to say well one person's
[3:42] three-car garage is different than
somebody else's so at the planning
[3:45] commission level we talked about
actually putting a maximum square foot
[3:49] on the garage so right now what's
proposed is
[3:54] 1200 square foot
maximum or 125 percent of the footprint
[3:59] of the house whichever is less so if you
have a really small house if someone
[4:04] just puts up kind of a
shoebox house you can't put up a monster
[4:08] garage it has to be somewhat in
proportion
[4:11] so
i think this is good language i guess
[4:15] the question is is 1200 square foot
a good size some three car garages are
[4:20] actually a little bigger than that we
just got an application one was 1260.
[4:26] so
i don't know if you want to bump that up
[4:29] and then the other thing there's there's
something
[4:33] in the regular zoning that between the
house and the garage can't take up x
[4:36] amount of percentage of the lot right so
it can't be over 50
[4:40] of hard surface
[4:48] what if somebody has two lots
right they have two full lots
[4:56] well this would be like an average lot
is about 8 000 square feet so if you
[5:01] have a
house that's let's say
[5:04] 2000 i mean be real generous and then
you have a 1200 square foot
[5:08] garage you're still under that 50
so that 50 percent really comes into
[5:13] play to make sure somebody doesn't pave
their whole lot
[5:17] because it's any hard surface it's not
just building
[5:20] so that's to make sure it's you know
not completely impervious and then all
[5:24] the water would run on the neighbor so
that's what that 50
[5:28] is after it is kind of a catch-all for
these other things too for the size of
[5:31] house and garage if they really got
baked but um
[5:36] i think the two things here to consider
are
[5:38] the 1200 square foot
you know do you want to bump that up a
[5:43] little and then the other regulation
here it does say
[5:46] under private garage which is in the
residential areas it would be for
[5:50] passenger vehicles and trucks not
exceeding 12 000 pounds gross weight so
[5:54] that's basically saying they can't have
their commercial vehicles there
[5:58] which
makes sense in a residential but
[6:02] are we going to be able to enforce that
and how many people already have
[6:05] commercial vehicles that they store
there
[6:08] and is that
acceptable
[6:10] i'd rather see them stored inside right
than the outside right
[6:16] very good point so if they were allowed
in the garage then that's a good thing
[6:20] then they're parked inside
i do think we should bump that square
[6:24] footage up though because more people
something these people are building
[6:27] right
right yeah people are building
[6:29] neighborhoods
30 by 40 that's pretty big yeah mine's
[6:33] like 24 by 34. i mean i'd rather have
that than have a couple of smaller
[6:38] storage sheds i'd rather have i mean i
think it looks nicer if you've got one
[6:41] big garage storage
with storage versus a bunch of little
[6:45] essentially 35 by 35 is
the footprint of my house
[6:53] it's pretty big
if you were to put parked cars on it
[6:59] and the attack would be this would be
the maximum for all garages so if
[7:02] somebody perhaps wanted to build two
smaller garages detached this total
[7:06] would be for those combined what's your
what's your garage
[7:10] i thought it was like 24 by 34.
yeah so you're just a good size two-car
[7:16] garage and you've got good storage in
every size
[7:19] well no no not a lot but i mean you have
extra extra definitely
[7:23] square feet this is allowing an extra
[7:27] 400 square feet to that size you're only
at two-thirds of the max right now
[7:34] and then the other factor is
the existing or the older lots in town
[7:40] are smaller than the new
lots so
[7:43] i don't know that we want to get into
having
[7:47] two different ones the one that's
proposed is for one of the vacant lots
[7:51] out at prairie meadows and it's a 30 by
42
[7:56] garage which is a pretty decent sized
three-car garage it's got some storage
[8:00] on each side and an extra 10 foot
deep so
[8:04] it's amazing how many garages are not
even used to store
[8:09] cars in
and you still have the limiting factor
[8:12] of the 125 percent of the footprint of
the house yeah so it's not like everyone
[8:16] could build a 1300 square foot right so
i'm thinking because you do have
[8:20] you do have
other things in place to control it so
[8:24] you're not going to have these big
monstrosity
[8:27] on the small lots
on a small lot with a small house you're
[8:31] not going to have this huge grudge
because you've got other things that
[8:33] control
the size
[8:38] so
cheryl i heard you
[8:40] recommend 1300 and i wouldn't go any
less than 1300 i don't think
[8:47] is this recommendation from eda i mean
is this it's a recommendation from
[8:51] planning commission but it's going to
get changed
[9:01] well
if you've got somebody else already
[9:04] wanting to build a larger garage and
you're gonna see that all the time
[9:08] everybody's gonna they're always wanting
bigger garages
[9:10] and like i said i think that would be a
whole lot nicer looking
[9:14] than having an extra small storage shed
on a property and especially
[9:20] if they have the size of a house to
support that size of a garage and that
[9:24] size a lot to support that size of the
garage that says drivers can be a
[9:27] greater value
as far as taxable property higher taxes
[9:31] yeah
and and i think at the planning
[9:33] commission we were
focusing more so on the
[9:37] the older lots and i don't know the
smaller residential lots i don't know
[9:41] within the city so we could either have
two different regulations for the
[9:45] different sizes
because we've got the other 125 percent
[9:49] of the footprint and i think that's
where the change came in tony is that
[9:52] then this would if if it got bumped up
it would cover both the new lots
[9:58] and the older lots under one regulation
which would be simpler to enforce
[10:04] okay because as long as you've got
something in there to control the size
[10:07] of it for someone with a smaller house
and the smaller lots
[10:12] right
yeah there is yeah
[10:19] material planning and zoning will let
you make if you don't see that in a
[10:23] motion don't you since you've got it on
here or do we just change it not accept
[10:25] it well we will
[10:29] assuming everything we come up with
recommendations on everything you can
[10:33] adopt
the entire basic code update at one time
[10:38] so we just need to make note on what
you're
[10:41] approaching is everybody else
take these monstrosity garages though
[10:45] can be a negative on the value of the
house
[10:49] i mean i look at houses that are i look
at two houses across the street from me
[10:54] and there's absolutely no yard in either
one
[10:57] but and me you can't do that now though
right with the with the 50
[11:02] and uh 125 i bet they probably both fit
in that still
[11:07] or maybe you take that 125 percent and
decrease that
[11:11] i i just would be just as a
as a if i was coming in with a family i
[11:17] would be like where's my yard on my yard
i would be uninterested in that house
[11:24] see a lot of home buyers are interested
in one of their main things the
[11:27] questions are kitchen bathroom and crush
[11:32] oftentimes when they're looking
you know as far as value
[11:39] what would be the process of we leave it
at 12 and then someone came in and wants
[11:43] that 1260. is there a
camera there's no there's no variance
[11:47] there's a variance okay it's just like a
reason i think you'd brought up she said
[11:52] what if they had two lots
right but you can't build a garage on a
[11:55] lot in town so you can't just say i'm
gonna build a garage on this slot so if
[11:58] someone had two lots they couldn't even
do that they have to build a house and
[12:02] then they can build a garage
so you know that that even you know we
[12:06] we have those things in place and
you know the the issue is like matt says
[12:10] there's a problem with these monstrosity
garages the garage mahal issue
[12:15] um
and and then do you want your community
[12:18] as a whole
to look like a brownstone community
[12:20] which is there's no grass there's no
nothing it's just house upon house upon
[12:24] house one house and whatever in the back
and then there's nothing there's no
[12:27] green space
we're a small town people aren't moving
[12:30] here to
to live amongst the sidewalks they want
[12:33] to have some lawn they want to have some
grass
[12:36] so i mean a
1200 square foot garage to me seems like
[12:40] it's got plenty of room on it but you
know if you're talking about a bigger
[12:44] lot
that's what it is
[12:48] because the lots of prairie are bigger
than the ones in the city right yeah
[12:52] quite a bit
tell them how many exceptions are in
[12:55] town for example i have a three acre and
a one acre lot
[12:59] i can only build it you know i could
build a large thing but apparently this
[13:02] i can only build on either of those i
can only put a
[13:06] 1200
garage on mine right and i think that
[13:11] the houses the newer houses that are
built
[13:13] are going to have the attached garage
so they're going to be
[13:19] limited
width-wise how how big their garage can
[13:22] be
yeah because they still have setbacks
[13:25] that they have to abide by does this
take into account though if it's an
[13:29] attached garage or is this just separate
garage either or either one
[13:39] i think this is gonna
i mean i don't think you're gonna have
[13:41] issues with 1200 square foot garages in
the new development
[13:46] necessarily
because they're going to be they're
[13:49] going to want everybody wants them
attached where they wanted to tap it
[13:52] somebody's already submitted plans for
bigger
[13:56] which means
people are looking at but there's going
[14:00] to be someone that could potentially
come to a town and say well i want a
[14:03] bigger garage than that but by by
limiting that though and they've got the
[14:07] space by limiting it
you're limiting the value
[14:11] then also how much green space do they
have remaining
[14:15] they meet the 50
rule
[14:25] i'm going to say the house is probably
1700 square feet
[14:30] 16 or 1700.
and there is extra room in that in that
[14:36] example
extra
[14:39] above and beyond three cars
so it is a generous size i don't think
[14:44] it's
so it's it's crazy big but in that case
[14:48] um
so we're taking we're looking at
[14:51] changing
this number for one particular
[14:56] overall because of prairie meadows
because the size of the lots out there
[14:59] but i mean we're getting somebody that's
coming through and saying they want a
[15:02] garage that's how big
6 16. 60 60 so in a year somebody else
[15:07] builds and they're going to want one
even bigger so we're just going to keep
[15:10] upping this i agree we already have an
ordinance in place though at that point
[15:13] in time you know right now we don't have
a defined
[15:17] definition
and technically because another one the
[15:21] permit application has been submitted
this adoption of this ordinance will not
[15:26] be official until it's published
so chances are
[15:31] that application will go through because
it's grandfathered or whatever term
[15:35] you'll use
[15:43] and
we can change this again at a later date
[15:46] if
everyone's more comfortable with
[15:50] keeping it at the 1200 and
we find out we're having more issues
[15:53] with that then we could always change it
again i'm just thinking more and more
[15:57] people if they've got the space
want their garages not only their
[16:00] vehicles but men put shops in there they
you know they like their
[16:05] wood shops or their lawnmowers their
toys their lawnmowers people are getting
[16:08] riding lawn mowers they're getting more
and more things that don't fit
[16:11] in smaller garages
and if they've got the space
[16:17] if they make the space constraint i
don't understand what the problem is
[16:24] because they can't go two-story it's got
to stay one story right but i thought
[16:28] that was somewhere where it's gotta be
one story they can't go two stars
[16:30] anymore right right and the garages well
there's a height limit i don't know
[16:34] they're in height limit
[16:38] so they could still do a
barn style garage that they could have
[16:42] storage up above i believe trusses or
something which would be
[16:46] so what's your guys's opposition to
taking the size up
[16:54] i think 1200 square feet is plenty you
know if you just did the math
[16:58] oh just based on that i mean i mean to
you it's plenty but maybe the the guy
[17:02] that's building it
it just depends where you put it yeah i
[17:06] mean i could think i could give you a
handful of houses in town but their lots
[17:10] aren't big enough their houses aren't
big enough to support it's terrible but
[17:13] that but then it would be greater than
125 so they wouldn't be able to build
[17:16] and they wouldn't even if they wanted to
they wouldn't meet setbacks they
[17:19] wouldn't make setbacks they wouldn't
make the 125 percent because those lots
[17:22] are much smaller than the parameters i
guess so even if we set that in and we
[17:25] don't want a thousand they wouldn't be
able to because their lot wouldn't in
[17:28] the size of their house they wouldn't be
able i guess
[17:35] for example if they were to have
something like a lot and a half
[17:39] it would allow them to put something a
little bit bigger on
[17:42] and it wouldn't look it wouldn't take up
the entire
[17:45] yeah like i have i have a lot in the
third my garage could be bigger and i'd
[17:48] still make the setbacks and i'd still
make everything because i have a lot and
[17:50] a third
but
[17:53] my neighbor has two-thirds of a lot
where she wouldn't be able to because
[17:57] she wouldn't meet the setbacks she
couldn't even have the size of garage
[17:59] that i have because she wouldn't make
setbacks or the 50 on it or the 50
[18:03] percent
and i think we're seeing i see that some
[18:06] development out there now i don't think
we want to discourage that in any way
[18:09] that's what i'm thinking you know we're
discouraging and we're trying to hold
[18:12] people back going oh we want you to
build here but you know you can only
[18:15] have a little house with a little garage
and you know 1200 is a good size you
[18:21] know i guess
if you look at what a what a stall would
[18:25] be a garage door is what eight
wide and a car is 20 you know even if
[18:31] you call that 10 and they're maximum 20
foot long that's
[18:35] you know 200
square foot per car times three that's
[18:40] 600 so everything else is like extra
space for getting in and out of the
[18:44] doors and the shop and everything you're
talking about especially but storing
[18:48] stuff in there too well the thing is
sitting right inside you can't put a
[18:50] basement out in prairie
so you gotta you gotta consider the
[18:54] people that are
space because
[18:57] there's no basement so where are you
going to store your store in your garage
[19:02] and we encourage people to keep that
stuff off of their
[19:06] out of their yards and off the streets
and whatever this way it's
[19:10] i don't want to discourage people from
building
[19:13] you know i could say i'm looking at the
tax side of it is
[19:16] the guy just a little bit bigger that
property has a little more value if the
[19:19] house if the house if if the house is
big enough to substantiate that that
[19:23] size and that's actually a good size
house i mean that's the things too that
[19:26] has to be a good size house
to support
[19:29] a 1260 foot
garage right right well probably about a
[19:34] thousand square foot because 125
times that so a thousand square foot
[19:39] is big like if you had a two story
um but if it's just a one story it's not
[19:43] that big of a house
[19:46] so in most cases it's the it's the
number you pick the 1200 or the 1300
[19:50] that's going to control
unless somebody had a really small house
[19:54] like
600 square feet or something then
[19:57] they're going to be limited by the 125
or you can change the 125 this is
[20:17] he wasn't weighed in
i think like i said you don't want to
[20:21] you don't want to stop people from
building that's one thing we don't want
[20:25] to do and i think none of uh i'm
thinking for myself i'm not a
[20:28] professional builder knowing what people
are building garages now at
[20:31] what sizes they're building you know so
i hate i don't i don't like to put a
[20:35] number on something not being
knowledgeable on on what it is maybe
[20:38] that's what people are building now is a
1260 foot garage so i mean i hate to
[20:44] i hate to put a number on that i'm not
real familiar with people are building
[20:48] but we we want to keep that from the
backyards getting these
[20:52] which we already have
i understand that point too
[20:56] so we want to keep that down so we don't
have these
[20:59] basically two houses
who knows what we have on some of these
[21:02] some of these lots with their garages
so we have to put something in place so
[21:06] maybe maybe that's the number if that's
what i don't know where that number came
[21:09] from or who you know if that's just kind
of a standard size
[21:14] it is based on some other cities and um
okay
[21:19] actually
i think the city of cannon falls or one
[21:22] of the cities had 1500 square feet as
their maximum
[21:26] so it was probably on the low end for
ultimate max
[21:31] ken falls has different way different
building opportunities and that's yeah
[21:35] some cities don't even reference it this
way so it's really hard to just compare
[21:40] some cities actually did it based on the
lot size
[21:44] a percentage of a lot which
[21:49] is tricky i think it has more to do with
the house and the difference between
[21:52] 1200
or 1300
[21:55] that's only a 10 by 10 piece on that
garage or shed there nobody's going to
[22:00] walk down the street and notice that
difference so the real hang up is going
[22:04] to 1300 just go to 30 but you're going
to know the difference in storage space
[22:07] yeah you know what's that but i said but
you'd know the difference in storage
[22:10] space if you know that storage
walking down the street
[22:14] yeah your lawn mowers and all that stuff
would easily fit in you know that and i
[22:18] think now if you're going to spend if
you're going to take the expense to
[22:20] build the garage
nowadays most people got two three cars
[22:24] they're going to build now you're going
to build a three-car garage if you have
[22:27] the room and you're going to think i
want to store my mower or whatever
[22:30] inside so you can see where i can well
that's in hindsight i would have made
[22:34] mine bigger exactly i don't think mine's
big yeah i know what you never have
[22:36] enough room you know i don't think
anybody feels they have enough room
[22:39] probably in their
their garage but
[22:42] if you're going to go through the
expense and the time to do it you're
[22:44] going to build something that's going to
hold your
[22:47] people just have more cars and toys now
than they had
[22:50] like i said you know guys have shops and
yes
[23:07] i make a motion to increase it to 300
square feet make the rest of the
[23:10] ordinance the same
move in the 12th the 12 000
[23:16] column for the commercial vehicle
[23:20] for the weight yeah
[23:24] or take that out because like you're
saying cheryl you want to encourage them
[23:27] if they had something like that to park
in we're not going to go
[23:30] what twelve thousand pounds you know
what i mean like a suburban is nine 000
[23:36] yeah it isn't super big like i think
compared to some of the vehicles we have
[23:40] today but it's it's going to make it
yeah and i think the definition i don't
[23:44] know if it's mndot or somewhere i mean a
commercial vehicle starts at the 12 000.
[23:48] so
any passenger vehicle suburban even a
[23:51] 350 pickup truck i think was under 10
000 or about there too
[23:58] but i i'm guessing there are cases in
town where somebody does bring their
[24:01] work
vehicle home or might have i don't know
[24:04] if you guys know any examples but
in front of my house
[24:09] yeah do you want to park down the street
right
[24:12] now i'll change my mind it doesn't
matter
[24:14] he doesn't park a vehicle to remove the
not quick seat twelve 000 pounds gross
[24:17] weight
and to add these work for the garage
[24:20] maximum 1300 square feet
and that part was not from planning
[24:25] commission that came from
a definition i
[24:29] got from prior so
[24:38] you have an actual motion out there now
yes we are
[24:41] wait a second
[24:44] can you repeat exactly what that was
your motion um on the uh
[24:50] ordinance here
removing the not to exceed twelve
[24:53] thousand pounds girl's weight okay um
and extend the or increase the 1200 or
[24:58] from 1200 to 1300 square feet on the
feet on the garage
[25:04] i'll second it
any more discussions
[25:07] in favor say hi
[25:12] emotion
[25:22] well these two sections are really the
new language so the rest of it should go
[25:26] quicker but do peddlers now
um
[25:29] not quite we're still on lots
requirements
[25:33] so
for residential for the lot requirements
[25:38] our old zoning before we adopted the
basic code was very clear it said
[25:42] one dwelling structure per parcel
which would eliminate any
[25:47] confusion about whether you can have
a second living quarters either in a
[25:52] garage or build a second house or
anything like that
[25:56] so that would clear that up
the other three on the bottom here are
[26:01] that um
any dwelling unit
[26:06] or no dwelling unit should be less than
20 feet at its narrowest so that's
[26:10] making sure that it's you know
[26:14] a stick built house in most cases in
residential
[26:19] and that they should be placed on a
permanent foundation
[26:22] and that they should have a pitched row
[26:30] so let me ask a question then just
because i want to clarify just because i
[26:34] know the question will come up
because tony said if you've got so if
[26:37] somebody's got two lots like out in
prairie some of the people are buying
[26:40] two lots
does it mean only one dwelling structure
[26:44] per partial does that mean only dwelling
part dwelling structures can be built on
[26:48] a parcel or
only one residential on a parcel can a
[26:51] person build a garage on a parcel or is
that limiting it so they can't can they
[26:55] have their garage so you could build a
house and this person
[26:58] in their house on this parcel if
if that was proposed i would
[27:03] have them go to the county and combine
the two parcels into one person
[27:08] okay pretty good process okay okay
you're saying if they want to build a
[27:11] garage over on yeah yeah yeah so they
want you know a bigger lot so they buy
[27:14] two of them because they want a bigger
lots and then they just get them
[27:16] combined
we don't have any say in that and
[27:19] whether someone can
well they're still limited to that 1300
[27:23] oh no i'm not talking about just making
it one person i'm just saying i'm just
[27:26] saying though what if they do buy two
you know because there's some of the
[27:29] folks out there that have two what if
they want to build a garage on the other
[27:33] one yeah like i don't think there's much
expense going to the county together
[27:38] because otherwise if they were remain
two parcels and that person lived there
[27:42] with the house in the garage
it would be real it'd be easier for them
[27:46] to just sell off the parcel with the
garage and unfortunately when those
[27:50] transactions happen they don't need the
city's permission for a real estate
[27:53] transaction so by us requiring before we
get the building permit that they
[27:57] combine the parcels
that would
[28:00] prevent that
and we don't have that was my question
[28:03] we don't have any say whether someone
can combine two lots i mean if we
[28:06] have a you know
subdivision or whatever out there and we
[28:09] say okay we've got
20 lots and someone says well i'm going
[28:12] to buy these two and now we're going
down to 19. do we have any control
[28:17] saying no we're not allowing that out
there or is that just
[28:20] a county thing they can just do
if you purchase two lots you can't
[28:23] control them turning it into one parcel
if they request that from economy that's
[28:28] what i'm saying i mean we
unless there was something like in
[28:31] prairie meadows if there was something
real specific in the covenants that's
[28:34] you know we have our zonings has a
minimum lot size i suppose covenants
[28:39] could have
a maximum to ensure more lots within the
[28:42] development some of that gets
you know i'd have to look into it it
[28:47] gets trickier to enforce so we have to
change the covenants and go through with
[28:50] that process
i'm just asking the general question so
[28:53] that if
we were to i can't even think of a
[28:56] problem but if there was a problem can
we say anything does the county consult
[29:00] with us
you know do they check covenants and say
[29:03] oh no we can't do that here because
they're saying these lots have to stay
[29:07] let's wait for the covenants or whatever
or they can just say yep they're two now
[29:11] they're one right as long as they meet
the criteria for the county and i and i
[29:14] have it in my office she sent it to me
that it has to be under the same
[29:17] ownership
um
[29:20] and a few other things and then the
county will do that for them so
[29:24] so is that what the e1 is saying is only
a house
[29:29] can be built on that where does it say
it that you can't put a garage on a lot
[29:34] or do we need to clarify that because
that is just saying only one dwelling
[29:37] structure is allowed meaning you can't
put two houses on there but it's not
[29:40] saying that you can't put a garage in
there part of the ordinance i refer to
[29:43] is there a different that's what i want
is there a difference is there a
[29:46] different part that addresses that
yes
[29:50] came up in another
meeting we had where
[29:54] someone said that about having garage on
a lot you say we and i can't remember
[29:58] right if you were there at the time
randy steinfeld said
[30:02] that's the ordinance you can't just
build a garage on a lot so if there's
[30:05] another piece then we're fine
i just didn't know if this was the only
[30:08] sentence dressing together there's
another piece it's in the permitted use
[30:11] for a residential district so it says a
permitted use is a dwelling
[30:16] and the only place that references a
garage is under accessory use
[30:21] so an accessory use is secondary to a
principal use so it's not real clear
[30:27] it's knowing how zoning is is written
but as long as it's worded someplace
[30:30] else then i'm fine i just didn't know if
this was the only way only place that it
[30:33] was worded so then that that's right i
mean it would be nice sometimes to just
[30:38] say it very clear so then anybody
reading it understands that
[30:42] and
i guess we could even
[30:46] add that in here in that e1
so this isn't spelled out then in that
[30:51] other part
no i'm talking okay okay
[30:56] no it's it's sort of an assumed that by
a permitted use
[31:00] it allows
a dwelling unit it doesn't talk about
[31:04] allowing two structures on a parcel but
it's not real clear so this clears it up
[31:13] basically you can't have you know uncle
fred living out in the garage correct
[31:17] and that's it's been that way ever since
we've adapted the basic color
[31:21] it's
the permitted use has been
[31:26] not anymore
[31:34] okay so if everyone's
okay with the rest of that language i
[31:38] guess we can move on to some of the
other sections
[31:41] okay
okay so
[31:45] that had to do with the zoning and then
the other proposed
[31:48] language is in a section on
peddlers solicitors and transient
[31:53] merchants
this is a section that's already in the
[31:56] basic code and with the basic code
template says is that
[32:00] if you want to license
[32:04] these fedora solicitors and transient
merchants you need to
[32:08] adopt a special resolution that says
you're going to enact licensing for them
[32:13] i don't know that that happened when you
adopted the basic code last time so i'm
[32:17] not recommending we do that i mean a
whole another licensing
[32:22] process i don't think is needed
i think what
[32:26] would be helpful is is to regulate it in
a little bit different way
[32:31] because the licensing would
let's say for um
[32:35] the solicitors or you know would give us
if they did come in and give us the
[32:40] chance to run a background check if it's
a food vendor a mobile food truck it
[32:44] would give us the chance to to make sure
we got a copy of their department of
[32:47] health license
it would give us a chance to check all
[32:51] those things
just so
[32:53] we didn't have anybody showing up on any
weekend
[32:57] setting up in town
because then we'd have a license and
[33:00] we'd have to go through that process
another way to do it would just be to
[33:04] say
to look at what houston
[33:07] how it operates now and when do we have
transient merchants would be like
[33:12] somebody setting up a truck to sell
something and agriculture is exempt in
[33:16] case anyone was wondering so somebody's
selling you know farmer's market type
[33:20] stuff that's exempt but if somebody set
up shop to sell trinkets