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Well, we'll call the meeting to order
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» Uh, Larry Gaststead
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» John Glaspool
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» Josh Gran
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» Franklin Han
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» Chase Munson
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» And Rich Shield
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» Frank uh, never mind.
>> That should be everybody. Eric Johnson.

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» Yes, I'm here. Thank you.

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Whenever you're ready. I can Oh, we got
a roll. We got a roll call. Go ahead.

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Whenever you're ready.
>> Do you want to do minutes right away?

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» Pardon?
>> Do you want to do minutes right away so

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you don't forget?
>> Oh, yeah. We can. Did everybody read the

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long minutes that we had?
Any questions, comments

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on the minutes?

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Not a motion to approve.
>> A motion to approval. I'll

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» second.
>> All in favor signify by saying I.

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» I.
>> I.

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» Oppos. Same sign. Motion's carried.

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Uh, please take notice that an
application was ma has been made by

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Charles and Sharon Wager revocable trust
at 15626 state 76 in Calonia to reszone

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an area from the agricultural protection
district to the residential district in

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Calonia Township on the following
premises. It's part of the west half of

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the east half of the southeast quarter
in section 11 township [clears throat]

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102 range 6 in the county set applicant
standing and making application RSV

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owner of said described lands. A hearing
on this application will be held at the

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Houston County Commissioner's Room in
Calonia at 5:00 PM on Thursday, August

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27th. All persons having an interest in
the matter may attend the hearing or

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submit comments relative to the granting
or denying of set application. Comments

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should be mailed to the Environmental
Services Department in Calonia or

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emailed and must be received by Tuesday
of August 18th of 2026 to be included

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for review prior to the hearing. All
comments are considered part of the

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public record and this was advertised on
August 12th of 2026.

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Are the applicants here? Would you want
to come forward?

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Have a seat up there if you would.

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» Hi.
>> Hi. I understand you want to build a

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house on on the same quarter quarter as
there's already a house

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which I'm just informing you of what the
zoning rules are

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um and our comp plan um you can build a
house on quarter quarter which is 40

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acres um on an open quarter quarter and
you can build it on prime egg land

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[clears throat] what it says. is now um
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you have two I think two way I see it
here you have two open quarter quarters

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on your property to build on two 40s
that are not are buildable.

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» That's right. Yeah.
>> Okay. Well, you go ahead and explain

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what say what you want to say. Okay. You
mind if I and I did just ask me to kind

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of speak on their behalf and then they
can answer questions, too. Or would you

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rather? It's up to you guys.
>> All right. So, um, so my name is Andy

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Allen. I've sat in you guys room here
many times, it seems like. Thankfully,

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we're not talking solar this time.
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» thought you look familiar.
>> Yeah, you go figure. Um, so fortunately,

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Charlie and Sherry, I would say that
they're probably as close to me as

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family. I've been neighbors with them
ever since I was born and we farm next

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to each other and we are blessed to
still farm with next not with them but

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next to them. Um Charlie and Sherry have
over the past few years realized they're

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not as young as they used to be. Um
[clears throat] their mobility is

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changing as we all are dealing with it.
And they approached me and said, "Hey,

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could you look at building us a home
that has zero entry, no steps, and so

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on." and they address that issue that as
we get older, if we can move into a

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place that does not have stairs, it
might be able to prolong the ability for

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them to live independently versus going
into an assisted living and so on. And

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and we all will deal with that at some
point. Fortunately, Charlie and Sherry

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have a beautiful farmhouse. It's two
stories, lots of steps, just not

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conducive as they age. So, we looked at
different locations and and you know, a

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lot of their property is close to the
city limits or right on the edge. Um

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yeah, pretty much all of it. Yeah, they
uh you know, their family is their three

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generations of farming. They've very
very good stewards of the land and and

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the community. Um looking at the
different parcels that they own, the

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location that has been presented to you
guys suits their needs the best. Um they

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do understand there's other quarter
quarter sections that they could build

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on that would not have the resistance
and and [clears throat] of course the

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guidelines the county is requiring. The
reason they've chosen this area, I just

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got some notes, but basically it's a lot
of things. Um,

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their safety just coming out onto the
highway. County One once you turn and

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and you take 76 out of town, uh, 76 is a
busy road. Their concern is going out on

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76, getting on and off that highway.
That's going to be a challenge for them.

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Second thing is they take care of their
grandkids substantially and future great

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grandkids. So by [clears throat] having
their property where it's located with

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some of the rumors of possibly a bike
trail and things like that, their kids

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or their their children and then their
grandchildren and great grandchildren

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will have an easier path to get to and
from the school, especially the high

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school. And this is going to be a 20 to
30 year process because of their their

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grandkids. So that's a big factor that
they're looking at. And even if the bike

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path from Beaver supposedly has been
talked about, that doesn't happen. It's

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still going to be much safer for their
grandkids to ride bike to the the

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schools, especially when I think Warrior
Drive is established. Um 76, you know,

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that's where the the two quarter quarter
properties that they could build upon.

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That also is I think we've always seen
that that can be just a monster of a an

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issue regarding snow. And I think that's
a concern of theirs as well. Um the

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county has approached Charlie and Sherry
over the years to ask if they can

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utilize their land to push snow off of
76 just because it just tunnels through

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there. Um
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» or state, I'm sorry, not the county.
Thank you. State. So those are I guess

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some of the things that that has pushed
them to look at the spot on county 1. We

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understand, you know, we understand
there's another quarter or there's

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another residence on that quarter
quarter, which is why we're here.

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They're literally right across the road
is city limits and we understand because

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they're within that 2-m
uh location of the city limits of

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Calonia that gives them this opportunity
to at least file an option. Okay. So,

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any other questions or would you guys
like to say anything else?

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» Maybe you should think, and I'm not
telling you, but uh if you're thinking

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about getting old like me, maybe you
should think about building in town.

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» No, I'm not trying to be smart. No,
>> I don't want to.

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» She don't want to and wherever.
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» You're close enough to town.
>> Huh?

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» You're close enough to town.
>> Exactly. Exactly. [clears throat]

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» If I might
>> I don't want neighbors.

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» I'm sorry. [laughter]
>> I want to Yeah. I want to be close to

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town, but I don't want to be in town.
>> We hear a lot about the two miles

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from the city limits and not just in
Calonia, all over. Um there is uh

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correct me if I'm wrong but I think
there's six is there six towns in

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Houston County or is it seven whatever
six or seven

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if you take for example now
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» two miles seven
you take for example 2 miles from the

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city limit
yeah we'll use Calonia and you go west

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as a crow ply guys, you're that prime
egg land is buildable

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if this board approves it all the way to
Beaver Park. You go

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go uh northwest, it goes all the way
over to where Bob Allens and and Mike

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Engles got their dairy.
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» Then [clears throat] if you go north,
it's out where the old sail barn. What

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I'm getting at here is if you take and
I'm not not trying to put put things in

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your mind. I'm just telling you the
facts. You take from Springrove

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to [clears throat] Calonia, the city
limits, it's 10 miles.

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So now if if you can build if if you can
build on prime egg land two miles from

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Springrove and two miles from
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you got six miles left. If you get
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built in that two mile radius,
the city looking at all that revenue,

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they'll annex some of that in. And I'm
just bringing these facts out of what

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could happen. Then once they annex that
in, now you got two miles again from the

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city limit after they annex it in. What
I'm getting at here is we're the

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ordinance is trying to protect the prime
angle. That's what they're trying to

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protect. I'm not trying to discourage
you trying that you can't get a building

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per that the residential, but if we
start where are we going to stop and

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I'll let some the rest board members
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» Yeah, I think the nice part with this
scenario, right, we're not two miles. We

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don't have to worry about we're talking
10 feet through the city of Calonia,

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right? I can hit a golf ball down to a
40 uh house development not in city

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limits right down the road. Right. So I
think the nice part it's essentially the

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city of Calonia. So it should probably
be treated in a very similar manner.

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[clears throat]
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uh a development this close would be
annexed to the city. But we all know

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that cities are strapped too for
extending services and um Calonia

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is looking to move kind of northward
um above the I think it's the dearing

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estates to to 76 and I've heard talk of
maybe something just to the west of

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there but it can it's probably not in
any of our lifetimes that it might even

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move that far. So this would be an
option to have kind of a similar

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development to what you'd see within the
city. Um but right on the edge of it

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» maybe your lifetime I suppose [laughter]
>> he's the youngest one here. So

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» can I one other thing I did want to say
and I might have made note of it in your

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packet maybe not but they they surveyed
out you know so they paid for the perk

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test they paid for the survey and so
they've got a lot of money already

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invested in this. I'm not saying that
should sway you one way or another, but

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they're not intending to take any more
land, you know, so they understand the

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value of acknowledging, you know, prime
egg land. Um, ideally when when we are

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done with the build, it's just going to
be the structure and then the the septic

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field. There might be a garden shed down
the road, but the survey, you know, and

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per Amelia and I, we talked about, you
know, well, we're just going to start

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with two acres, but realistically, it's
probably going to be between an acre and

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an acre and a quarter is what we're
we're expecting it to be. So, so

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[clears throat] be very minor. And I
mean, if if and it's not an option, it's

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not on the table, but sadly, if they
said, well, you know what, fine. We will

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go and we'll build on one of those other
quarter quarters. Well, then we're still

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taking up to two acres or whatever, you
know. So, it's I understand I understand

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it's it's a it's a muddy area. Um, but
they would have that right. So, then

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they could say, "Yep, well, we're going
to take those two acres out of

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production." Blah, blah, blah. So be it.
But I guess I would just ask for some

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grace on your part.
The age factor and the safety for them

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and their their grandkids, that's that's
kind of one of the biggest reasons why

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we're looking at that spot.

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So, Ailia, you
you got down here as a recommendation

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that
this were to be approved,

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the reszone
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that there could be no other building
going on in that plat or that

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quarter unless it's platted. Right.
>> Correct. Yep.

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» Yep.
>> A single. We've been handling single lot

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[clears throat] subdivisions. We could
just reszone. No plats required.

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» Um but as soon as you would make it a
two lot subdivision, then you would

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require plat.
>> Yep. So they would have to go through

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the expense and work of platting it.
>> You know, as if you wanted to sell off

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some more land to do, you know,
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» you don't want to do I'm [laughter] I'm
guessing you don't want that to happen.

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protection from this becoming a
development

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» you know by this
>> next owner

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» and that that review would go in front
of you guys then too. Sorry Franklin to

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interrupt
>> and it would go on to the next owner if

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someone were to buy their place that
still would be in place that they could

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not so that would be adopted with the
buy the bylaw of that property. Yep.

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» So who who's
uh oversees that? So that's in there.

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You have to put that in the abstract
then if it's going to be binding that

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» that no other buildings could be built
on that 40. Isn't that what you're

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getting at?
>> Mhm.

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» No other houses without a sub without a
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to create a subdivision, right? So that
would go ahead. You can answer. when you

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when you guys adopt your conditions on
permits, those get um put on the orders

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that then get recorded. So that's how
they're memorialized.

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» So that's with it.

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» So they find that like a title search
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» Yep.

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And I'm pretty sure I covered this, but
if they still owned the house that you

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guys sold to
>> Kevin, right, trader

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» Kevin? Yeah.
>> Yeah. If they still own that,

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» we wouldn't even be sitting here.
>> Well, exactly.

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» That's why Yes. That's why we're here
because Okay. I just wanted to clear

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that. Make sure that
>> Well, I mean, we couldn't they couldn't

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own that and then permit another one.
But yeah, if they were living

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» correct, they could get a permit to
build one. Yeah. Easily enough. Yeah.

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» Yeah.

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» You sold that a long time ago, didn't
you?

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» What's that?
>> That that house. You sold that a long

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time ago.
>> Where Kevin is?

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» Yep.
>> Yeah. Or no, Kevin. That's you bought

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the house.
>> Well, how long ago did you guys sell

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that to Kevin? You remember?
>> What did you sell the the the house just

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the house to Kevin and Char?
>> Oh, god.

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» Long time ago. must be about I'd say 17
years or something like that.

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» Yeah.
[clears throat and cough]

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» 2011.
>> Does he have he doesn't have he never

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submitted a comment or have any? Okay.
>> We didn't get any comments.

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» Okay.
Well, I will say

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um Don and Margie Fairing did something
that

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» you know most people wouldn't do and
Sherry informed me of this and she

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actually approached um
>> Yeah. Margie and her

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» I'll let you say you can say it better
than I can.

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» Margie and her husband, what's his Don?
>> Don.

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» So they're the neighbors directly to the
west. Oh,

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» okay. Yep.
>> They came up to me at the fair and said,

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"Uh,
we didn't even know we had a feed lot

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permit." She goes, "We have 10 cattle."
And she said, "We were informed that we

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don't need that feed lot permit." And
>> and that's one of the reasons probably

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why you're not being able to build out
there. So they went up Monday morning

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and dropped their feed lot permit
>> in assistance for them

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» for us. So
>> So she's

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» and that's why it's not in the packet.
Is that right?

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» Correct. [clears throat] Oh,
>> they would have had to get a variance.

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Is that what you're
>> Oh, yeah. It would have required just an

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additional step for him.
>> So yes,

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» that's kind of cool that the neighbors
that supportive.

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» When she found that out, she went they
went up and he was I got the paperwork

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if you need it. [laughter]
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» we would all love neighbors like that.
>> Yes.

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» So, is there any public comments from
the public that's here tonight?

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» Positive.
>> Everybody thinks it's a good idea on our

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part. [laughter]
>> Well, we'll let them say that if if it's

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public, [laughter]
you're the applicant.

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[screaming]
got any more questions of the board or

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» I think you know if you're going to do
it somewhere here's a spot to do it at

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borders city property there's a big
development down the street not in city

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property lines with the area makes a lot
of sense

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I think I do agree that one's a better
approach for many different reasons

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[clears throat] snow traffic I agree
with

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How far off road is the house? I see the
stakes out there.

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» Yeah. Um, boy. And I should know my
setbacks. Um, I think we pulled 300

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foot. You know,
>> that's a ways out there.

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» Well, and that's the the stakes are the
very farthest because that's a that's

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the survey. You know, the house clearly
we're not going to we're going to be

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closer to the road there.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The requirement's 100 feet,

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isn't it?
>> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So, I mean,

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we're going to be in that 120 foot, you
know, off of one, but that's but the

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stakes are I mean, they're there, but
they're not. So, don't let that cloud

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your your image of that. It's just we
had to start somewhere. So, but that's

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you can see where the stakes are. And
that's a general um location. It's I

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think we talked about it's most likely
going to be an east facing garage. Yeah.

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Um, so it'll be a side, you know, come
in off of one and then they'll turn, you

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know, towards the west, there'll be an
end load. Um,

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pretty modest house. Nothing too
spectacular. So, it's great for you

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guys. Don't take that the wrong way,
[laughter] but it's

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» it's a slab on grade.
>> Slab on grade. Yes, sir. Yeah. Slab on

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grade. Yeah. We'll be able to manipulate
the the soils. I mean, everything. It's

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It's going to work out really nice, you
know, compared to a lot of the homes we

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build in the Crescent where people
should not build it. This is wonderful.

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So,

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we've zoned different ones
uh from [clears throat] agricultural

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land to residential in the Lacrescent
area while I've been on the board, but

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they all been on marginal land. None of
them have never been on prime prime

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eggland down there. They could have done
it before I was on the board. I I can't

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speak for that.
>> That's just because they don't have

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prime eggand over there.
>> That's why the zoning ordinance says

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we're going to [laughter] protect our
prime.

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» Yeah. I think one wasn't farmed and one
was farmed, but it was the soil types

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considered it marginal. So,
>> right.

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» Yes.
>> Yep. Yep.

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And that's just where we've seen the
pressure lately is around the crescent.

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» Any other questions?

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» We can ask questions.
>> The big question we got now is there's

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another house on that same quarter.
>> Mhm.

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» If there wasn't be no problem, [snorts]
>> correct?

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» No.

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» Yeah. just cuz I had this is probably
the most common question I had on this.

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Um the rule is one dwelling per quarter
quarter in the egg district. So

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currently the Shrader's dwelling
occupies that dis that um quarter

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quarter and so that's why they're here
today to um make the reszone request so

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that they could add
>> that's why

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residential

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» not the whole
>> No just the two just the two just two

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acres whatever.
>> Yep.

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» That's a good point. It was advertised
with the whole one just cuz that's what

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the existing parcel is. But as soon as
things are fi uh finalized with this

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then that 2acre parcel would be created.

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» Anything else?
[snorts]

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» Not we'll go to the proposed findings.
We can ask questions after the findings.

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Um, so staff drafted five findings here
for you, but you guys can always add

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additional or remove any of these as you
see fit. [clears throat]

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Um, I'll just read through them quick.
So, one, goal 1.3 of the goals and

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policy section in the comprehensive land
use plan encourages location of urban

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development near the major cities where
services can easily be provided and

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extended. This property runs to the
middle of the of county 1, which is also

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the northern extent of city limits. At
this point, city services do not extend

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the property. Number two, policy one
under agricultural goals and policies

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calls for protection of prime
agricultural land by limiting

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development in agricultural areas.
Allowing this reszone will keep

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development closer to existing
development and the public road which

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will minimize impact on the land. Number
three, this parcel is currently 40

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acres, but the applicants have chosen to
only reszone 2 acres in an effort to

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restrict future development. If
additional lots are desired, another

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reszone will need to be completed along
with a plat approved under section 36 of

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the ordinance. Number four, policy one
of goal 3.2 of the comprehensive land

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use plan discourages development in
areas where on-site sewer systems are

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likely to malfunction due to poor soil
characteristics. Preliminary soils work

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has been completed for this proposal and
meets state requirements for septic

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systems. And number five, that the this
the parcel meets buildable lot and lot

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area standards identified in the Houston
County zoning ordinance. [clears throat]

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» Does any of the board want to add
anything to it?

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Well, those are the findings. Um, yeah,
I

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they look fine to me. I I just want to
reiterate number one there. That is

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a goal to keep within our comprehensive
land use plan to encourage development

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from close to our cities and out.
In my opinion, if this was two miles

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out, it wouldn't happen. Even if it was
two miles or 1.9,

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especially if there was another quarter
quarter that was open. But seeing as how

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it's right across the highway from the
city limits

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and it's near a development area,
um I think this is this complies with

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our comp plan.

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Realistically thinking I mean hopefully
well depends on but you know the next 40

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over from the development
leads right into make sense to be

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development at some point and then
trader house is directly across from I

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mean you're right next to city at that
point you know kind of already are but

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even then even more right
>> that other one's now filled up and it

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only makes sense one day to do that so
>> well as Amelia pointed out dear estates

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want they want to develop that.
>> Yep.

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» The next one next one would be Gavins
there along the high school

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» then right across from Gavins and then
>> Yep.

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» I get the idea what you're saying
Franklin about protecting farmland. That

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is very important in our comp plan.
That's what we need to do. Um

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[clears throat] this is 2 acres. If they
were ever building the other parcel,

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they'd be taking up prime farmland too.
But

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» I think to the comment you made earlier,
Franklin, and your point to that's why

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these are reviewed site specifically. So
you can

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» right
sight specific and different

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circumstances for different sites and
different act, you know, inquiries. So

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not they're not all the same.
So,

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» anything else board?

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I know you talk about the air site
going towards Houston there. There 40

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acres like you said, it really drifts
there.

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Snow is really bad. Mhm.
>> It's not a good place to come out on a

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driveway.
>> No. No.

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» No. Not. Yeah.
>> Not at all.

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» Across from the other building site
there. That That's a bad area for

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drifting.
>> It seems like from Shirley Klein, even

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beyond Shirley Klein, but
>> Oh, yeah. Or Darlene, sorry. From

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Darlene Klein all the way and the the
building site where Kevin and Charrader

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live, that's blocked. So then a lot of
the snow is dumped there. But man, it's

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just And you don't have to have a
horrific snowstorm. It just can be wind,

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you know, picking up all that snow
westbound and

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» Yeah.
>> and so on. It's

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» Well, there's sometimes in the winter I
go across Angus Drive to hit

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» Oh,
>> yeah.

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» coming to the highway cuz it's not safe.
>> Yeah. [snorts]

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» The other way.

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» Anything else?

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So, do you want to read the proposed
motion?

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» Um, do you want a motion on the
findings?

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» Oh, yeah. We got to have a we got to
have a motion to accept the findings.

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I'm sorry.
>> I'll make a motion to accept the

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findings.
>> Is there a second?

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» We'll second.
>> All in favor? Second by saying I.

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» I.
>> Opposed. Motion carried.

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» All right. So, um, the motion could be
to recommend the Houston County Board

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approve an amendment to the zoning map
for the two acres identified by GCU

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survey number 26-217
of parcel ID 0301190000

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from egg protection to residential with
one condition. That's that the reszoned

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area shall contain one buildable lot
unless a plat is approved under section

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36 of the Houston County zoning
ordinance.

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» [snorts]

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» We even have it in writing that they do
not ever intend to develop. [laughter]

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» I was just in your letter here. Yeah.
[laughter] Okay.

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» It was do not. It was in big letters.
>> That's right. [laughter]

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» 50 years, 60 years from now, it'll never
be developed on the rest of that. Is

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that what you're saying? [clears throat]
Yeah.

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» Well, there's a proposed motion. What is
>> I'll make a motion to recommend approval

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based on the one condition.

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» Is there a second?
>> Second it.

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» Is there any more discussion?

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» A roll call vote.
>> Larry,

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» yes.
>> John,

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» yes.
>> Josh,

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» yes. Franklin.
>> Um, I have to say no for the simple

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reason is I I hope you get it, but for
the simple reason is I'm a stickler on

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the zoning ordinance.
And by going with two houses per quarter

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quarter or two houses on the same
quarter quarter,

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we could be setting a precedence
against what's going to happen in the

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county. The other thing is the prime
prime land prime land.

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[clears throat]
Okay. Uh Eric.

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» Yes. And it basically because it it does
comply with our comp plan on where we

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want to see order redevelopment.
It's close to the city limits. Um

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and you know I get what Franklin's
talking about.

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the second house and a quarter quarter
that's in place to help

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density in the egg district and it
should we should adhere to that and

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that's what we try to do is adhere to
that but this is a different situation

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being close to the city and uh
and this is what you know our exception

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for that
>> [cough and clears throat]

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» Chase,
>> yes.

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» And Rich,
>> yes.

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» Motion is carried. Good luck.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you guys. Appreciate it.
Appreciate all your time.

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» Um, these guys are just a recommending
body. It'll go to the board of

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commissioners then on September 15th for
final decision.

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» All right. Thank you again, everybody.
Thank you. Thank you.

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» That's an easy one. We can all agree.
[laughter]

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» There's got to be one stick in the mud.
[laughter]

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» Thank you, guys. Yeah.
>> Yep. Thank you.

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I'm
>> glad we could all have a little humor

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00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,399
with it. [laughter]
>> Well, we all got our own opinion as we

422
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,600
have a board.
>> Yes, we do. see if [laughter] I will

423
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,960
» um
>> compared to when you use

424
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,320
» okay took too long.
>> I will read that. I forgot to mention

425
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:44,799
before we started and maybe you guys
noticed that, but Michelle is still here

426
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,279
clerking. However, she has taken a
different position with our office and

427
00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:54,000
[snorts]
um so she is going to help start helping

428
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:57,440
with some of the uh more technical work
I guess on the zoning side. So, she

429
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,120
wrote the staff report today. So, she's
just going to come up and

430
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,360
» Oh,
>> she did all the research and um

431
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:06,399
» not leaving the office.
>> Oh, good. She just moved to a different

432
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,200
part.
>> Yeah.

433
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,200
» Took a cut and tape. I told [laughter]
everybody.

434
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,880
» Let's see.
>> So, this is your first running and I'm

435
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:20,640
sure it'll be just fine. So,
>> I hope so.

436
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,960
» All right. So, please take notice that
an application has been made by David

437
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:28,640
Kingsley at 3784 Christensen Hill Road
in Houston for conditional use permit to

438
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,320
operate a wedding and event venue in the
agricultural protection district in

439
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:37,039
Money Creek Township and it's on part of
the southeast quarter and part southwest

440
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:41,519
quarter of section 22 township 104 range
7. said applicant standing and making

441
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,640
application is as vowner said described
lands and a hearing on this application

442
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:50,399
will be held at the Houston County
Commissioner's room in Calonia at 5:20

443
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:53,200
p.m. on Thursday August 27th. All
persons having an interest in the matter

444
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,799
may attend the hearing or submit
comments relative to the granting or

445
00:32:54,799 --> 00:33:00,320
denying of set application. Comments
should be mailed to the Environmental

446
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:04,799
Services Department or emailed and must
be received by Tuesday, August 18th of

447
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:09,039
2026 to be included for review prior to
the hearing. All comments are considered

448
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,840
public record and this was advertised on
August 12th of 2026.

449
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,919
» You're ahead of the game. You're already
up here. [laughter]

450
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,840
» That's good.
>> We weren't sure what we were supposed to

451
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,320
do.
>> You're fine. You're fine. [laughter]

452
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:28,720
You're all right.
>> Don't go back.

453
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:33,039
» Go ahead. Uh, whoever's tell us what
you're going to do.

454
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:38,399
» Uh, I'm Dave Kingsley anyway on
Christensen Hill Road up there. We had

455
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:46,399
uh in 2022
the old barn blew down on the foundation

456
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:52,880
and we rebuilt a structure back on top
of it and it was kind of sitting idle

457
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:58,640
there. I mean we we had didn't really
build it like an old barn, but it was a

458
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:04,080
place to store stuff and everything
again. old dairy barn that was

459
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:08,720
underneath. We had converted it to a
horse barn afterwards and all that was

460
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:16,740
fine. So it was like, well, why should
we tear it all? It's super foundation

461
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:19,599
yet. So anyway, we rebuilt it and um
[snorts]

462
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:25,280
decided to try and make something out of
it rather than

463
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,720
just sitting idle or whatever. You know
what I

464
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:34,879
» Yep. I'll say basically otherwise it
fills up with storage. We don't bail any

465
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:37,520
hay anymore or whatnot. So we just
thought we'd try and make a venue out of

466
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:43,760
it and [clears throat]
>> we went ahead and done the remodeling in

467
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:48,720
it and you know put a deck and a ramp on
it and then whatever the county and

468
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,720
state been complying with whatever they
want and make it happen and

469
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,639
» Mhm.
Is that cement then? A cement floor or

470
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,640
is it wood floor?
>> Wood floor.

471
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,119
» Wood floor. Yep.
>> So you got a twotory or you got a one

472
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:05,440
story?
>> It's a dairy barn underneath and then

473
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,880
basically it's twotory. So it's like
where an old hay barn was.

474
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:13,280
» So you just built on the walls.
>> Yep. We just built on the old exist

475
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,400
» wood joist and made a wood floor and
then

476
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,720
» Yep.
>> Yep.

477
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,160
» I think there may be pictures in your
packets.

478
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,640
» Yeah, we got them here.
>> What it looks like and it's a steel

479
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,200
building basically. I'm Tammy Adcock.
I'm the neigh the neighbor lady.

480
00:35:24,844 --> 00:35:27,520
[laughter]
>> Okay.

481
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:32,240
» The neighbor lady that that
>> she's the one that takes care of me.

482
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:40,640
» Terrible at all this stuff.
>> So So basically steel building, right,

483
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:44,000
with with wooden floor and
>> well the reason

484
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:49,760
» all new construction and
>> reason I asked them questions because I

485
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:54,240
know where the where it is. So, I just
wanted wanted you to explain it.

486
00:35:52,560 --> 00:36:01,280
» I didn't mean to interrupt.
>> No, that's okay.

487
00:35:55,359 --> 00:36:07,280
» Um, so your proposal is that you are
going to have weddings

488
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:11,599
» and maybe other [clears throat]
>> parties. Not necessarily parties, but

489
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:17,119
whatever is that. That's
>> Yeah. Um, birthday party, whatever.

490
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:21,359
graduation celebrations,
um class reunions.

491
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:30,000
» Yep.
>> So when you say uh you have to have to

492
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:33,839
abide by the state uh when it's for
recreational I don't know if it would be

493
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,800
called recreational
and there's state and I'm trying to

494
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,440
learn something here that's why I'm
asking

495
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:44,480
» me too. Uh there's state guidelines
different for something like that then

496
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:51,119
is that
>> what we had to do is to apply for an LLC

497
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:59,920
through the state and we did that and we
had to post it in the newspaper for two

498
00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:06,160
consecutive weeks and did that and so
um they don't require lensure per se for

499
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:12,480
a wedding venue but we had to set up the
LLC and then go through the county for

500
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:18,800
the conditional use permit. And so we
did do that and Dave went to the Money

501
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:23,680
Creek Township on August 6th and
presented all of the information and it

502
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,480
was approved at the Money Creek Township
meeting.

503
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,119
» So Money Creek Township didn't have any
issues or problems with it?

504
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,480
» No. Not at all.
>> Yep.

505
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:38,800
» No, I I was there at that meeting. Yeah.
There were no issues at all.

506
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:44,400
» Yeah. But yeah, so I mean I've just kind
of talked to I think I've talked to you

507
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,079
on the phone, haven't I? Haven't I?
>> To both of them. [laughter]

508
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:52,400
» Okay.
Tammy's done most of it, but

509
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:58,480
» And so
at this point in time, it is Dave rents

510
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:04,240
portaotties
from a company in Iowa and handwashing

511
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:11,119
stations. So there's no septic involved
or anything like that at this point.

512
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:18,320
Maybe in the future at some point. Um
uh we have the handicapped ramp and

513
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:23,040
um
so

514
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:28,400
we're complying with that and pretty
much whatever we needed to do is what

515
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:34,000
we've done so far and I believe all of
that is in your packets.

516
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:37,839
on the note with um ADA can explain that
a little bit more. So we are a non code

517
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:42,480
enforced county meaning we don't
actually enforce the building code here.

518
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,720
However, the one thing the county is
obligated to do is ensure that um the

519
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:51,920
disability
uh or accessibility co code is met. And

520
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:55,680
so we don't employ anybody to do that.
So we [clears throat] like put that back

521
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:59,599
on the applicants to make sure they're
meeting those.

522
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:04,800
And I believe all of that was discussed
at the township meeting.

523
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:10,079
» Yeah, I think there was um I think the
only issue was maybe put some signs up

524
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:12,480
as cuz there would be people crossing
the road. Um that's the only thing I

525
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,720
remember.
>> Right.

526
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:20,720
» Byers know there's an event going on.
>> Yeah. Because in addition to the

527
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:26,400
building, what he has is right across
the road, probably a hundred yards, is a

528
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:31,359
beautiful area
>> that overlooks the Rut River Valley and

529
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:38,000
the the Bluff Country and that's where
the weddings will actually take place

530
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:44,280
where people can overlook the valley
>> during the ceremony

531
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:44,280
» or to have their reception.

532
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,480
» Yeah. So, you have plenty of places for
people to park.

533
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:52,000
» Yes.
>> Yep.

534
00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:54,560
» You have parking for what? At least 200
cars

535
00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:00,400
» at least.
>> Yep. Looks like you'll have enough space

536
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:04,640
for that. I I notic in the
uh one of the recommendations is no

537
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:10,240
parking on the road. Yeah,
>> we'll discuss that at the meeting, too.

538
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:15,280
» Yep. And then the
um decibel part of it been being

539
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,880
addressed here. And I know I talked to
Michelle about that a little bit that

540
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:23,839
that it might be a
possible concern. So we've because we

541
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:28,320
got these in other places in the county.
So

542
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:32,320
» you know, sheriff always gets calls in
the middle of the night saying they're

543
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:34,400
too damn loud. You know, [clears throat]
>> it's kind of out in the middle of

544
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,079
nowhere.
>> Yeah, I know. You're kind of

545
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:42,320
» very well insulated and
>> Yep. You're isolated.

546
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:46,160
» There would be no no music outdoors that
I can foresee. So

547
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,680
» yeah, and there is only one dwelling and
it's like 1,200 ft away from the

548
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,320
property line, I think is what I
measured.

549
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,320
» Yeah.

550
00:40:53,359 --> 00:41:00,160
» Some of the other venues they have a
time frame that they cut people off. Are

551
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:04,560
you guys I didn't read that. Are you
guys going to or not? Or I'm just

552
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:07,920
asking. It it it like
>> we have a contract

553
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,720
» contract set up with it and it does it
say midnight or

554
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:14,319
» um I believe
>> parties go but I mean

555
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:21,359
» yeah I think that's what we have in here
is that it's midnight and

556
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:24,960
um it kind of lays everything out.
Let me look and see exactly what it

557
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:28,800
says. But I think that that's what it is
is midnight.

558
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,648
» And then Dave, you live at on site
correct? So you in theory would be there

559
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,520
if there for events and then
[clears throat] you're not far down the

560
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,280
road.
>> I'm a half a mile down the road.

561
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:41,280
» So
>> So one of you two is probably available

562
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:47,240
for any events that are
>> Yes.

563
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,240
» Yeah, we are.

564
00:41:50,640 --> 00:42:00,524
We didn't receive any comments.
>> No. And I don't think there's too many

565
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,524
left in the audience for [laughter]

566
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:15,200
portaotties from way I understand it
that solves a lot of problems for

567
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:18,640
you
than having sewer system and then

568
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:25,359
» right
>> I mean other ones uh

569
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:30,200
that have the same type of things.
[snorts] They they like the portaotties.

570
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:38,280
» Simpler. I mean, for me anyway.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

571
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,640
» So, in the future down the road,
Michelle, if they needed to do a sew

572
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,599
system, they would have a spot for it.
>> Yeah. I think they'd have room there to

573
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,760
» Okay.
>> meet the standards and show all the

574
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,119
locations.
>> Yep. You always got to plan for the

575
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:58,160
future in case.
>> Well, we do. Yeah.

576
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:04,160
» Uh if that comes about or whatever, does
a person got to come to the county first

577
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,720
or the township first or I mean
>> it would require a permit through the

578
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,480
county.
>> Okay. You'd have to get a designer out

579
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,319
there, right?
>> And that's on Would they have to have

580
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,880
two or one?
>> They'd only have to have one site for

581
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,760
that, wouldn't they? Because it's not
new.

582
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:24,160
» Yeah, probably. But the tough part is
you're a other dwelling. So how many

583
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:30,480
people do you think you would encompass
completely? 100 200 how many?

584
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:34,960
» Yeah, the capacity is set at 175.
>> 175 and that's based on um

585
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:38,480
» the square footage
>> the square footage per the state's

586
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,359
recommendations
>> and that's seated. That's 175 people

587
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,560
seated.
>> You go into an I'm just telling you

588
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:49,520
because I'm in the sewer business. You
go into other establishment. So

589
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:53,599
unfortunately and that you guys are
going to be

590
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:57,440
this is where a house is on price. You
guys are going to be up here for a

591
00:43:55,839 --> 00:44:01,920
full-blown sewer probably.
>> It's going to be more money

592
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:04,480
» cuz they can I'm just guessing between 8
and 16 gallons a person they're going to

593
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:08,720
figure.
>> So what I was thinking

594
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,480
» so if you do that times 170
>> that's a lot of juice in one

595
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,119
» Mhm.
>> day. I take care of a couple other

596
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,040
wedding venues
>> especially at a wedding party with a lot

597
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,680
of beer.
>> Yeah. Yeah, [laughter]

598
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:24,240
» I used to be in the wedding world with
my restroom trailers and

599
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:27,680
» on a perfect day like this, it fills up
fast because nobody's sweating and

600
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:31,520
everybody in a hot day, you sweat it
out. On a cold day, they don't drink.

601
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:35,599
It's the weather actually really has
>> dictates that a very big part in it that

602
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:40,560
we don't think about till you're into
it. But um just

603
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:44,480
other places have done just holding
tanks and no drain field because the

604
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,720
drain field is going to be
>> and then pump them.

605
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,880
» Yeah.
>> Yep.

606
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,839
» Yeah. Holding tank might be a better
option.

607
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:52,800
» We just
>> That's kind of what you were thinking

608
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,440
about
my mind. I mean

609
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,839
» we just switched a different venue over
to that this year and they fill it up

610
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,960
about every four weddings. Two big
tanks.

611
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,599
» Mhm.
>> Yeah.

612
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:09,160
» Thank for the info. Well, [laughter]
wait for the bridezillaas.

613
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,640
» You're giving away advice here, Chase.
[laughter]

614
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:18,520
» Catch.
>> We like free advice.

615
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,520
» So do I.

616
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:23,359
» But yeah, a sewer system, a full-blown
one gets expensive, but

617
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:30,200
» right,
>> you're you're already twothirds of the

618
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:30,200
way there with your facility. Anything

619
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,880
else from the board?

620
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:49,760
If not, we'll go to the findings.
There's a couple on there that we could

621
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:56,000
have a motion on to eliminate
five and 13. Or is there one more that I

622
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:59,680
missed? Make a motion to scratch number
five and number 13.

623
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,440
» Is there a second?
>> Second.

624
00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:04,720
» I'll second it.
>> All in favor say I.

625
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:10,440
» I
carried.

626
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,440
Okay. Go ahead.

627
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:19,200
» Okay. So, finding number one that the
proposed use conforms to the county land

628
00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:23,040
use plan. Um staff analysis states that
goal 1.4 Four of the comprehensive land

629
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:27,200
use plan encourages the implementation
of economic development strategies that

630
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:31,440
reflect local values and supports
agriculture while attracting compatible

631
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:34,880
new businesses. The Lazy K wedding and
event venue will bring guests to the

632
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:40,000
area who will utilize local services,
accommodations, and businesses thereby

633
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:44,079
contributing to the economic vitality of
the county.

634
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:49,359
» All in favor signify by saying I.
>> I opposed.

635
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:53,599
» Go ahead. number two that the applicant
demonstrates a need for the proposed

636
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:57,200
use. Staff analysis states this wedding
and event venue will act as a secondary

637
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:01,200
income for the applicant and their
family while also allowing the applicant

638
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:06,240
to stimulate local commerce within the
within Houston County.

639
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:10,480
» All in favor signify by saying I
>> opposed. Go ahead.

640
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:14,319
» Number three, that the proposed use will
not degrade the water quality of the

641
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:17,520
county. Staff analysis states, "While
septic is a potential threat to

642
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,200
groundwater, the applicants intend to
provide portable toilets and hash

643
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,319
handwashing stations for guests during
events."

644
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:27,359
» All in favor say I.
>> I opposed.

645
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:30,960
» Go ahead.
>> Number four, that the proposed use will

646
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:34,880
not adversely increase the quantity of
water runoff. Staff analysis states the

647
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,680
quantity of water runoff will not
increase as the modifications to the

648
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,319
existing structure will not
substantially increase the site's

649
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:44,079
impermeial surface area. All in favor
say I. I.

650
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,319
» I.
>> Opposed.

651
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:51,280
» Go ahead.
>> Um, number five is not applicable. So,

652
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,960
six, that potential pollution hazards
have been addressed and that standards

653
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,400
have been met. Staff analysis states
that the applicant has implied that the

654
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:02,880
proposed venue will operate as a low
impact event space as there will be no

655
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:06,720
industrial industrial processes,
hazardous materials, or waste disposal

656
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,839
activities associated with hosting
weddings and events. All

657
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:13,440
» in favor say I.
>> I. I

658
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:16,800
» opposed. Go ahead.
>> Number seven, that adequate utilities,

659
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:20,880
access roads, drainage, and other
necessary facilities have been or are

660
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:24,960
being provided. Staff analysis states
the venue will provide portable toilets

661
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:28,720
and h handwashing stations with the goal
of installing a bathroom in the future.

662
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,640
The proposed parking lot has access to
the public road and ADA requirements

663
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:36,319
will be implemented for parking and
access.

664
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,480
» All in favor of seven say I.
>> I.

665
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,480
» Opposed?
>> Eight. Number eight, that adequate

666
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,920
measures have been or will be taken to
provide sufficient off- streetet parking

667
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:50,319
and loading space to serve the proposed
use. Staff analysis states the large

668
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,839
parking lot will provide sufficient off-
streetet parking space for guest parking

669
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,359
which will ensure convenient access for
all visitors and designated handicap

670
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:01,599
accessible parking will [snorts] be
provided. All

671
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:06,800
» in favor signify by saying I
>> opposed. Go ahead. Number nine, that

672
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,960
facilities are provided to eliminate any
traffic congestion or traffic hazard

673
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:14,400
which may result from the proposed use.
Staff analysis states there is an area

674
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:17,359
designated for parking that will provide
sufficient off- streetet parking to

675
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,599
eliminate any potential traffic
congestion. In addition, the applicants

676
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:26,240
have identified an area on the east side
of Christensen Hill Road that can be

677
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,880
utilized for overflow parking.
>> All in favor say

678
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,480
» I.
>> Opposed.

679
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,839
Number 10, [clears throat] that the
conditional use will not be injurious to

680
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:39,280
the use and enjoyment of other property
in the immediate vicinity for the

681
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,559
purposes already permitted. Staff
analysis states the primary use of the

682
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:46,000
surrounding acreage is agriculture and
recreational in nature. There is one

683
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:50,559
dwelling in the vicinity which is
approximately 1,200 ft to the southwest

684
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:55,280
of the proposed venue site.
>> All in favor say I.

685
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:58,319
» I opposed.
>> Go ahead.

686
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,359
» Number 11. that the establishment of the
conditional use will not impede the

687
00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:05,040
normal and orderly development and
improvement of surrounding vacant

688
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,800
property for predominant uses in the
area. Staff analysis states the

689
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:11,599
establishment of a wedding and event
venue should not impede orderly

690
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:15,760
development in the agricultural
district. The surrounding properties are

691
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:18,160
primarily agricultural and recreational
with wooded hillsides and steep slopes.

692
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,200
All
>> in favor say I.

693
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:25,839
» I opposed.
12.

694
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:29,440
» Number 12, that adequate measures have
been or will be taken to prevent or

695
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,960
control offensive odor, fumes, dust,
noise, and vibration so that none of

696
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:36,720
these will constitute a nuisance, and to
control lighted signs and other lights

697
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,319
in such a manner that no disturbance to
neighboring properties will result.

698
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:44,240
Staff analysis states, "The wedding and
event venue will not generate any

699
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,359
offensive odors, fumes, or dust. The
applicant has indicated that noise

700
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,800
levels will be kept to a minimum and
lighting will be managed to to ensure no

701
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,559
disturbance to neighboring properties
will occur. The business plan indicates

702
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,200
that the venue will be available to rent
6 months out of the year um May to

703
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:03,280
October with venue occupation time
starting at 9:00 a.m. and ending at

704
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:09,760
midnight.
>> Um on the dust

705
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:15,119
um why is the dust in there? Because of
the road. Is that why you got

706
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:19,200
» um Yeah. So it I mean having the wedding
event venue dust could be concerned with

707
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:22,960
the gravel road there, but it shouldn't
generate more than what normal traffic

708
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,400
would.
>> Okay. Well, I just wanted to

709
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:30,240
clarification.
All in favor 12 signify by saying I.

710
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:35,040
» I.
>> Opposed. Go ahead.

711
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:38,960
» Um [clears throat] 13 is not applicable.
14 that the intensity of any proposed

712
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,160
commercial or industrial development is
not greater than the intensity of the

713
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,680
surrounding uses or not greater than the
intensity characteristic of the

714
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:49,599
applicable zoning district. Staff
analysis states the proposed use of the

715
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:53,040
property is limited in scope as there
are no intentions for future development

716
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,440
or expansion to ensure that the site
remains consistent with its current

717
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:03,760
footprint and existing land use pattern.
>> All in favor say I.

718
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:07,440
» I opposed ahead. number 15 that sight
specific conditions and such other

719
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:10,400
conditions are established as required
for the protection of the public's

720
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:14,160
health, safety, morals, and general
welfare.

721
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:17,440
Staff analysis states the applicant is
required to follow all county, state,

722
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,880
and federal guidelines for the operation
of their wedding and event venue, which

723
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:24,079
should result in the protection of the
public's health, safety, morals, and

724
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:27,359
general welfare. All
>> in favor signify by saying I.

725
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,359
» I [clears throat]
opposed.

726
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:38,640
Uh motion to accept the findings. I'll
>> make a motion to accept the findings.

727
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,440
» I'll second it.
>> All in favor say I.

728
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:49,680
» I.
>> Oppos. Same sign. Motion is carried.

729
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:53,760
Any more discussion before we move on to
the recommended

730
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:58,559
motion?
If not, uh Millia, go ahead.

731
00:52:57,441 --> 00:53:03,680
» [snorts]
>> Um, so if you guys do choose to approve

732
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:07,440
it or recommend approval, it would be to
recommend granting a conditional use

733
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:12,000
permit to operate a wedding and event
venue in the agricultural protection

734
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:16,480
district. Um, and then there's four
conditions proposed. So one would be the

735
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:20,720
permitty shall comply with all federal,
state, and local laws and regulations.

736
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:24,079
to the county may enter onto the
premises at reasonable times and in a

737
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:27,599
reasonable manner to ensure the permit
holder is in compliance with the

738
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:31,760
conditions and all other applicable
statutes, rules, and ordinances.

739
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:37,200
Three, no parking is allowed on
Christensen Hill Road. And four, maximum

740
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:42,800
amplified music or speaking volume shall
be 100 dB outside of the venue, reducing

741
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:48,960
to 80 dB at midnight, with music ending
no later than um midnight on Fridays and

742
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,280
Saturdays or 1000 p.m. on Sundays
through Thursdays.

743
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:59,040
» Just curious, how did that them hours
come up? I mean, how

744
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:03,040
» I [clears throat] I based it on the
conditions that were on other venues in

745
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:07,119
the county. All right.
Um, and I guess obviously if you don't

746
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:11,119
think that they need it, then you can
>> No, that that's fine. I was just curious

747
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:17,720
why the different hours, but that just
curious.

748
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:17,720
» You're okay with that?

749
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:26,800
» Yeah. Yeah. I mean, [laughter]
I don't know how loud 100 dB is, but

750
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:28,800
» Well, that's pretty loud, but yeah,
>> you know, keep it within reason. That's

751
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:31,762
awesome.
>> He's measuring it on their phone. I

752
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:34,240
don't think anybody's
>> [laughter]

753
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:38,079
» The thing [snorts] is it if there are
complaints it gives us a threshold to

754
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,119
actually test.
>> Yeah.

755
00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:45,119
» So test
>> 100 dB is extremely loud and can cause

756
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:49,440
permanent hearing damage. [laughter]
>> So we're talking real loud.

757
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:54,720
» Is that why I'm deaf on one ear?
>> Yeah. [laughter]

758
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:58,079
» For the no parking on the road. Do is
there got to be some signage for that?

759
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:02,319
Like cuz obviously they can't tell
everybody.

760
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,200
» We have barricades. that uh
>> he's purchased barricades.

761
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:07,760
» Oh, that we
>> we've had a wedding there.

762
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,079
» Okay.
>> Already done.

763
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,400
» The neighbors, the friends
>> got married there last fall before we

764
00:55:11,718 --> 00:55:18,720
[snorts]
>> private started this whole thing. But um

765
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:23,440
» we put up barricades just off the
>> I mean it's we leave them set back off

766
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:27,440
the road, but they're close enough that
no, you can't park here. So parking

767
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:31,200
signs going to
>> Yeah. You'll have to police that. So I

768
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:36,640
mean be your baby. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And I I understand that and get

769
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:43,119
it.
>> So, you have heard the heard the

770
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:46,000
proposed motion. Does anybody want to
want to make this a motion?

771
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,839
» I was just going to correct something
quick that I didn't catch before. So, on

772
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:55,359
number four, we can probably remove the
section that says reducing to 80 dB at

773
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:59,559
midnight. Um, just because
>> it ends

774
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,559
» it ends at midnight.

775
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,960
Oh,

776
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:16,119
okay. That makes sense. Whatever.
>> Yeah, if it's over at midnight, then

777
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:16,119
» that's fine. We'll delete that part.

778
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:25,480
» Everybody understand that?
>> Yep.

779
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:31,280
» Okay. Is there a motion one way or the
other?

780
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:34,319
» I'll move to approve it.
>> Is there a second?

781
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:40,319
» A second. [clears throat]
>> Any more discussion?

782
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,319
» Roll call aboard.
>> Um Larry,

783
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,839
» yes.
>> Um John,

784
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,119
» yes.
>> Josh,

785
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,720
» yep.
>> Franklin,

786
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,319
» hi.
>> Eric,

787
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:49,680
» I.
>> Chase,

788
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,920
» hi.
>> And Rich,

789
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:57,760
» yes.
>> Motion is carried. Good luck.

790
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,559
» Thank you. Yeah. Good luck to you.
>> UM

791
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:04,400
» I DON'T REGRET IT. [laughter]
>> WELL, YOU CAN ALWAYS quit it, too.

792
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:08,480
That's your call.
>> Have you guys heard is Laura sold her

793
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:10,640
place? Is anybody going to the people
that bought it? Are they going to do

794
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,720
them there anymore or not?
>> Who's that?

795
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:16,960
» Laura Craig Brickill.
>> Oh, yeah.

796
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:21,359
» Um I have not heard
>> I've heard rumors that somebody might be

797
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,559
running a wedding venue there, but I
don't, you know, in the future.

798
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,640
» She sold it back to the family that she
bought it.

799
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:31,280
» Yeah. I don't know.
>> I heard it was going to keep going, but

800
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:35,280
who knows?
>> Don't know for sure.

801
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:39,359
» Did they Sorry, this is off topic. Did
you guys have to deal with She fought

802
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:41,520
the sprinkler system thing at first and
then they ended up

803
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,440
» fire marshal
>> to do it. Yeah, you did.

804
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:50,240
» Fire department was up and
>> they said, "Put your fire extinguishers

805
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,119
here, here, and fire exit signs."
>> Yeah, I read that. But they've never

806
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:56,400
said
>> Well, she it was a battle hermit. She

807
00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:59,040
didn't have to do it anymore.
>> That's probably because it's an old

808
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,720
barn.
>> Yeah, they're small enough, too. I think

809
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,760
it's 300.
>> Oh, is that

810
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:08,960
» Oh, okay. [snorts]
>> They never [clears throat] said enough.

811
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,040
» And that's that's Winona County. Well,
that's why they didn't bring it up cuz

812
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:14,760
it's a different
>> That is Winona County.

813
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:24,480
» Well, thank you. Um, I have a question
for Amelia.

814
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:29,440
How much weight does the townships
carry? And I have this question proposed

815
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:36,400
to me quite often.
If an applicant doesn't go to the

816
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:42,000
township and gets approval,
if the town before they come to you or

817
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:49,520
after they talk to you, whichever the
case may be, if the township denies a

818
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:54,799
building permit, per se, um does that
carry any weight with you? Um or you

819
00:58:52,880 --> 00:59:00,970
just go ahead and give them the building
permit? Um well it's a little more

820
00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:05,520
complicated than
[clears throat] maybe what your question

821
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:11,040
is. Uh so ultimately the county has a
zoning authority. Um the area where the

822
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:16,480
township where we would go to them for
sure for a yes or no is any driveway

823
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:20,640
access onto a township road. So we would
verify that with them. And if if the

824
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:26,880
applicant's not meeting what the
township's asking for us, maybe as far

825
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:32,720
as location or um like culverts or
whatever is needed, um then the town we

826
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:37,760
would um heavily lean on the township's
opinion there. Uh but ultimately, if

827
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:42,960
it's zoning related, the county is the
authority. If there's a problem with it,

828
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:47,920
I also want to hear about it. Um, and
then hopefully we can work through

829
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:52,000
whatever that is. But I can't say that
just cuz the township doesn't or

830
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:58,240
disagrees with it that we ultimately
will deny anything.

831
00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:09,280
» Okay. So, let me ask you this then. if
um an applicant uh uh an applicant would

832
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:16,240
go to the township and ask them
like I said before and um the township

833
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:25,119
didn't have a problem as far as the
culbert for the driveway or what have

834
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:29,200
you. um they just didn't particularly
didn't want it. Whether they didn't like

835
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:35,520
them, they didn't want the building
there that even though they they said

836
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:38,960
they wouldn't, you still give them the
permit.

837
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,960
» Yes. If it if it meets all the
requirements of the ordinance, my job is

838
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:47,736
to enforce the ordinance and not just do
what the townships want.

839
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:52,000
» Well, I can answer that question.
[laughter] Anything [clears throat] else

840
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:56,799
anybody got to talk about before we
adjourn?

841
01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:00,640
» I give kudos to Michelle and her first
run here. It was pretty good. Good job.

842
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:05,920
» Yeah.
>> Thank you to both of you for helping

843
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,960
» and you guys.
>> Yep.

844
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:12,240
» Welcome.
>> Make a motion we adjourn.

845
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:17,040
» Second it.
>> All in favor say I.

846
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:21,760
» I. Opposed
meetings adjourned and thank you folks

847
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,760
for coming.