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Good afternoon.

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Good afternoon, and welcome to the fiscal 28, capital budget and the fiscal 28 through 33, capital improvement program, public hearing, and work session of the Board of Education of Thursday, September 10, 2026. The public has been invited to attend board meetings in person and to access the virtual board meetings through several telecommunications platforms. Those are Verizon 42, Comcast 95, and via live stream online.

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In alignment with board policy, an individual group or organization attending an open session of the board may not engage in any conduct, including visual demonstrations such as the waving of placards, signs or banners that disrupts the session or the interferes with the rights of others to attend and observe the session.

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The board will have a hard stop at 7 p.m. There is no evening, start again, there is no evening session.

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Please stand for the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God,

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indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Mrs. Harrison, please do rule call.

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Ms. Mosley.

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Present.

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Ms. Watts.

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Ms. Rick's.

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Present.

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Mr. Lee.

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Dr. Chen.

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Present.

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Ms. McCoy.

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Present.

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Ms. Shambley.

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Ms. Mallow.

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Present.

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I'm confirming a quorum.

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Thank you.

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We will now move on to the approval of the agenda.

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Mr. Barnes, do you have any changes?

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Chair Mallow, there are no changes.

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Can I please have a motion to approve the agenda?

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So moved.

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So again.

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Ms. Mosley?

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No.

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Ms. Watts?

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Yes.

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Ms. Ricks?

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Yes.

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Dr. Ten?

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Yes.

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Ms. McCoy?

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Yes.

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Ms. Chambley?

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Ms. Chambley, you're barely audible, so we know that you said yes, but can you please see

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if you can adjust your audio so that we may hear you better?

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Thank you.

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Yes, I'm having some technical difficulties at my end and I'll try to find out what the issue is but yes, thank you

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Okay, Miss Malo. Yes motion carries six zero. Thank you

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We will now move on to public hearing

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Public hearing provides an opportunity for community members to share their views with the board on a specific topic

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Tonight's topic is the fiscal 28 capital budget and fiscal 28 through 33 capital improvement program

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Please note that these comments do not represent the views of the board, the superintendent, or the school system.

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In accordance with board policy 2040, public comments may not address personnel matters, individual students, individual staff, or matters that are under appeal.

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We ask the all speakers maintain respectful and appropriate decorum, as meetings are broadcast and streamed remarks should be suitable for a broad audience, including young children.

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Consistent with policy 1000, please refrain from language that is in decent, profane, or threatening.

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Community members will have three minutes.

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A buzzer will sound when time has expired, and the microphone will automatically cut off.

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If you have materials to be provided to the board members, please give them to one of the security officers for distribution.

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or, and please email your full testimony to boe at hcpss.org.

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So I will call your names in order.

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You will come up to the desk there and sit in the middle seat preferably

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and then make sure the microphone is on with the green light.

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First up, I am going to call multiple names in order.

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I will start with the first three.

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First up will be Sylvia Johnson.

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She will be followed by Satvik Jane, followed by Ming Sun.

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Please go ahead when you're ready.

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Hello, members of the Board of Education.

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My name is Sylvia Johnson, a junior at Centennial High School,

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speaking today on behalf of our student body and SGA.

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For years, our community has spoken out.

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As Centennial's renovation completion date keeps getting pushed back.

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Originally scheduled for 2024 and now all the way to 2036.

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We need action now, while our renovation is repeatedly delayed, our building is failing us.

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Centennials indoor bathrooms are 50 years old and haven't been renovated since the school opened.

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Half of them are entirely out of order with multiple restrooms left with only a single functional stall.

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Over the break, chemistry classrooms flooded, leaving missing ceiling tiles and

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active rain lakes directly into instructional spaces.

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Numerous work requests were completely unadjusted in the spring, and

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SB Stills was found in the cafeteria last spring.

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And despite its removal over the summer, serious concerns remain in other sections of the building.

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Furthermore, last spring, our primary chiller broke completely due to its age in complete lack of replacement parts.

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This led us to meet missing two full days of school leading up to final exams.

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Our temporary fix is a giant portable chiller taking up space in our parking lot until at least November.

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Blocking one of our two only drop off lanes and not even providing reliable cooling to the building because of the unreliable HVAC.

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Students have noted physical discomfort in classes such as sweating in hot rooms and shivering in freezing rooms,

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directly impairing student focus and academic performance.

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Within the first two weeks of school, three evacuations have occurred due to building deficiencies,

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such as motor and boiler room and HVAC issues that generated smoke, burnt odors and gas smells.

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many students have reported throat irritation, loss of voice, headaches, and difficulty breathing following these incidents.

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Just two days ago, an evacuation lasted up to 1.5 to 2.5 hours, leading to missed instructional time,

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derailed lesson plans, and disrupted extracurricular activities such as band and theater rehearsals.

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Just yesterday, another evacuation occurred, again disrupting our learning environment.

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When asked to rank aspects of the school out of five, on average our students ranked

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HVAC consistency a 1.5 out of five, and cleanliness a 2 out of 5, and a 100% of students listed

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HVAC as a top priority, followed by an emphasis on plumbing, windows, and flooring.

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Students frequently mentioned poor airflow, visible dust particles, and mold throughout the

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building, dysfunctional bathroom lock mechanisms, metallic tasting fountain water, lack of

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all dividers, empty paper towel and hygiene products, and unpleasant odors and restrooms.

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Students overwhelmingly describe the building atmosphere as depressing and windowless.

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Although we recognize the Buie's tight budget, our students and staff cannot wait until

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2036 for a safe, functional environment for learning.

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We urge the board to stop delaying our renovation and address these critical conditions immediately.

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Thank you for your time.

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Next up is Satvik Jane, followed by Ming Sun, followed by Brian Trish, who will be virtual.

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members of the board. My name is Saatvik. I am a junior at Centennial and I am tired. I am tired of

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missing class when the fire alarms go off. I am tired of not being able to focus because it's

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either frigid or boiling. I am tired of waking up conflicted, eager to go to school and dreading to

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go in that building. But most of all, I am tired of how, despite everything that we have gone through,

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change seems far away. I know we are not the only high school facing problems in Howard County,

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but in Centennial, there is a continuous feeling of neglect among students and staff alike at the lack of action.

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Our school is turning 50 soon and you can tell. We don't know how it has stayed together, and we don't understand why

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HCPSS has let this decline continue.

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What if you were in our position?

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Chair Mallow, how would you feel if your three children repeatedly fell sick from exposure to drastically different classroom temperatures?

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VICE CHAIR RICS, you once wrote that every student and every staff member deserves to learn

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and work in a school building that is in good repair and will not make them sick.

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What anxieties would you feel about the air quality if you were the PTSA president of

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Centennial in Notkielford Park?

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Board Member Chambley, how would you feel if your alma mater wasn't Glenn Elg, but Centennial?

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How it hasn't changed even decades later?

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Board Member Chen, what if every day Julia, Jim and Janine came home feeling hopeless

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since they can't focus from how much they shiver in their classes.

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Member at large McCoy, what if your 35 years as an educator were spent in the classroom

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with fluorescent lighting and a lack of windows that made you and your students equally unmotivated?

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Board Member Mosley, what if one of your four children had to come home early because

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the HVAC system stopped working, and then the next day your drop off is blocked by a loud

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ever active tank keeping the possibility of education alive?

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Board Member Watts, what if when your two children start high school, you arrive outside for orientation

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and wonder if you misread that it was one of the best in the state.

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Superintendent Barnes, the 2003 winner of the Presidential Award for Excellence in Mathematics

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and Science Teaching, how would you feel when your explanation of a fundamental concept

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is interrupted by the fire alarm ringing for the end time?

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And student member Mark Lee, what if your travel west, along 108 to get to the board of

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ed, was a possibility, and you had a building whose structural problems in your freshman year

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remained unsolved despite significant financial expenditures that often work like duct tape?

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That is how we, centennial students, staff, and families feel, and we are tired of waiting patiently.

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Our education will stay fixed until it's fixed for us, even if it takes impetus after impetus,

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even if time waxes or wanes the interest, even if you make the possibility of change hard to trust.

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We won't stop for a minute, even when the going gets tough, we won't drop for a bit even though we may be rebuffed.

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We won't roll with it when we know it's not enough.

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We keep your name on the map. That's the least you could do for us.

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Thank you.

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Next up is Ming Sun, followed by Brian Trish, online, followed by Karen Beaterman.

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Test, test, all right.

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Come on afternoon board.

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Three times.

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Three times over the past two or three weeks, our fire alarm have rang.

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In the middle of classes, driving us outside, the longest one driving us out for one or two hours about,

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I can't remember those specific figures.

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We cannot, we as a student body cannot be lectured about missing class and the importance of being present for class when our own building keeps us out of the classroom and learning.

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As a member of the band, we lost most of our period on the second evacuation and proportion of it on the first one.

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In the world of band, it is extremely detrimental,

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it will be the word for it, to lose that amount of rehearsal,

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especially in the very important period of time

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that is the beginning of the year.

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Also, these evacuations and the deterioration of this building

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come, especially as a stop in the face after last year

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or most or previously, our renovation date was pushed back.

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Yet again, after, I believe, more than a decade

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of that happening repeatedly.

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I have a younger sister and younger cousins who will be graduating around the years.

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2032 give or take a couple of years because I have a couple of cousins.

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And I honestly say from the bottom of my heart that I would rather that our family approved for

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the third time since we came to the United States, they have moved to a different district

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and they put them through this building and having them being in the fluorescent light and

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the moldy air for another further high school.

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I would like to close, I don't have much prepared today but I will close with this and let it be noted that this is not a threat.

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This is a rather just a promise and it's just a message.

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We will be back.

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The student body, we will be back for the next budget meeting and the budget meeting after that.

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We will be here, relentless the intel, our building will be renovated.

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Thank you very much.

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Next up is Brian Trish.

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I don't see the name online but if you are on here, please go ahead and unmute yourself.

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and speak. Okay, next up is Karen Beaterman.

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Karen will be followed by Anthony

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de Bella, who will be followed by Eileen Felix.

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Good evening, DOE and

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Superintendent Barnes. I'm Karen Beaterman with a personal testimony. I was

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thrilled to hear that you voted to replace Patapsco Middle School because they

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needed. I will also ask that you reconsider replacing Dunlug in Middle School

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instead of renovations as the shovels will not hit the ground for another year.

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All the reasons you listen to replace Patapska Middle School can also be applied to Dunlog and Middle School.

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Meeting all ed specs, less construction disruption, shortening construction timeline,

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thus containing cost, geothermal, energy, long-term savings, and not being confined to existing structure with a new design.

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Please reread the testimony of structural engineer Sheryl Zeren that I passed around stating that placing Dunlog in will not be more expensive than rebuilding Dunlog in.

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Shara Zian is a structural engineer for Oklahoma's middle school with the...

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for Hammond High School renovation, and ARL. You originally voted to replace Don Logan on 427, 2023, 4 years ago, and the building continues to rapidly deteriorate with a broken chiller deteriorating age back, leaking roof, mice, and very tight classrooms. Don Logan had a sprinkler failure on Tuesday, and there's currently a bladder and a hose hooked up to the sprinkler at Don Logan that is draining into a bucket with maintenance unable to repair. On your vote, replace Don Logan Middle School.

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There's a flat field behind the school that'd be very easy to construct new school that we need to last another 50 years.

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Flipping years to Centennial, I want to make sure everyone is aware of another facility failure this week causing burning fumes with an evacuation and fire department call, loss of instruction time.

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This is an addition to the sprinkler failure and the building evacuation the week prior.

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Centennial High School capital issues continued to build.

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This is on top of their unrepairable chiller failure from June that resulted in a temporary

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chiller taking up one lane of the car drop off and causing students to walk between the

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chain link fence and car loop in order to get the class on time risking life and limb

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in addition to the porta-potties that have been the only bathroom at the stadium facility

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for 50 years, the only high school like that, leaving children without access to running

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water and flushable toilets, which is totally a CPS issue neglectful, CHS is literally falling

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apart and is health and safety hazard and brick box without windows, least and out of windows

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of any high school if you drive around like I have. They have a 50-year-old age back that has been

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patched multiple times in recent years. In addition, I am very concerned that you are revisiting

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the facilities prioritization criteria. It has been unanimously approved April 9, 2025. You know

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this by all seven board members when the schools were blinded.

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A couple of BLE members did not like the results, but that is not a reason to throw away

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the methodology and redo the whole system which already echoed state priorities.

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Many parents are concerned that they're redoing this entire methodology of reassessing

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HCPSS capital improvement needs, we'll incorporate personal.

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Next up is Anthony DeBella, Eileen Felix, followed by Huay Sal.

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I do not see either Mr.

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Debella nor Ms. Felix.

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I'll come back to him.

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Kwe, Sal.

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have to know, what a members.

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I'm just a regular parent at Centennial High School.

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I have always been a quiet mom, but today I cannot be quiet anymore.

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I'm seeing here with profound concern and frustration regarding the unsafe and

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and entirely unacceptable facility conditions

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as Centennial High School.

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We are only three weeks into the school year,

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but safety hazards have already reached an intolerable level.

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The frequency of fire alarms and emergency vacuations

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is alarming.

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On August 31st, when I arrived at 11.35 AM

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to pick up my daughter for a doctor appointment,

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I walked into an evacuation.

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I waited with the entire school outside for nearly an hour.

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On September 8th, students and staff were forced outside for almost two hours, missing

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the first two class periods.

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On September 9th, which was yesterday, there was another evacuation.

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Missing class time is frustrating, but the primary issue is safety.

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Students and staff are seeing smoke and regularly smelling burning odors, fire trucks with extended

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related letters to the roof have become a new norm.

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Beyond fire hazards, basic infrastructure is failing.

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At the end of last school year, our students missed two

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four days of school in the week of final exams.

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Until now, the AC remains not completely repaired,

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with an expensive chair or sitting unused outside.

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Students have been complaining some classrooms are freezing

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but some are very hot.

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But attempted repairs have resulted in damage to the gymnasium floor.

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Centennial heights filled with talented students and dedicated educators.

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They deserve a safe, functional environment.

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Centennial has documented infrastructure needs and has been slated for major renovations

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in long-range master plans, but this renovation keeps being pushed back.

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Parents' promise repairs when their kids were little, but watched those children graduate college.

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Pushing these renovations to 2036 is negligent.

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We entrust the county to keep our children safe, but right now the facility is failing.

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I have lived in Howard County for 20 years, two of my children have graduated from Centennial High,

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and I really want my youngest daughter to finish here as well.

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However, if these safety issues are not addressed, families like mine might have to move.

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I urge the board to prioritize our students and staff by funding the comprehensive renovation

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of Centennial High School now, now in 2036. Thank you.

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Next up, we will return to Anthony Debella. Now that he is online, please go ahead, Mr. Debella.

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Greetings on behalf of the PGA Council of Howard County. I'm Anthony Debella,

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The board's practice of separately deliberating and submitting projects with state funding to meet submission deadlines leaves the community with no scheduled public hearing opportunity after the presentation of locally funded projects to the board.

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Detect recommends adding a public hearing after the presentation of local projects and before the board approval expected in November.

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The FIRD maintenance is described in detail by the recently approved EFNP, the year-by-year

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accounting of the accrual of $312 million over nine years, provides a community with

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a realistic understanding of system-wide needs.

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The FY28 proposed projects for state funding include booths that are on the FY27 deferred

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maintenance list, and PTAQ hopes that more of those deferred maintenance projects can be

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included in the FY28 local budget request, especially given the potential availability

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ability of surplus funds enabled by County Council Bill 1026.

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The attack recommends that the board work with the County Council to establish the specific

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process for allocating potential surpluses to designated projects in order to expedite

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deferred maintenance projects in advance of expected surpluses indicated by recent county investment

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reports and to be quantified by the issuance of the FY26 comprehensive financial report this

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fall.

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All. Other county resources are provided under County Project E-1058, systemic renovations,

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which averages roughly $38 million in county funding alone over the next five years. State

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aid for school increases the available total to $50 million, which would reduce the current

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total deferred maintenance by about $20 million a year, essentially having the current $193 million.

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The capital planning cycle recently presented to this board outlines the timeline of comprehensive

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of maintenance, systemic upgrades, and complete renovations over the life of a school.

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This should provide clear and objective needs so that the county resource providers and

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individual school communities understand ACPSS's individual and collective responsibilities,

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especially as rising construction costs will necessitate adjustments to this funding.

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Other sources of capital funding should be explored, including the school's surcharge fees,

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which are detailed in an annual report mandated by the state legislature,

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and newly available via the Maryland General Assembly's

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Department of Legislative Services under mandated reports.

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With a growing portfolio of over 80 buildings,

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HCPSS will need to start major renovation projects

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on an ongoing basis so that a steady, predictable stream

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of revenue can be dedicated to school construction

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without overburdening the budget at any one time.

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Given public information and time to digest it,

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our community can help inform the necessary deliberation

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and take up the cause for a well justified,

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identified, prioritized long-range master plan and advocate for commitments to the county council, county executive, and state delegation to develop a capital funding plan that optimizes all available funding sources.

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Thank you.

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Next up is Sandy Shao, followed by Korean official, followed by Cindy Luffalette.

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Good evening, board members and superintendents.

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My name is Sandy Shao.

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I'm a taxpayer, a registered voter, and a parent of two children.

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One has graduated and now in college, and the other one is a 9th grader.

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I have watched this building decline for years and I trusted our leaders to be able to

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make the right decisions.

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But today I can't stay silent anymore because this is beyond acceptable.

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Centennial High School has been on the capital improvement list for 13 years and its renovation

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date has been pushed back repeatedly from 2024 to 2028 to 2030, 31, 32, now 36.

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That means an entire generation of students was banned their high school years in buildings

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that fall apart. This past June, the HVAC failed and was deemed

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In reparable, forcing students to miss two days of school during final exams and temporary

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cheerleaders had to be placed in the parking lot, just keep the building running.

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And in less than two weeks in this school year, the school, the students, has been evacuated

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three times already and we heard new issues reported today.

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It's a huge safety concern.

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Centennial has rotting portables, bathrooms with rusty doors, broken tiles, my nice

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greater coming home say school sucks.

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And my oldest child still remembered uncomfortableness.

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And at the back to school night, I was directly experienced, the temperature change from

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high to freezing cold and that's the condition our children, our faculties have to endure

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every day. I recently learned the school's HVAC system is from 1977. We're all home

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owners, we know HVAC system last, usually 15 to 25 years. The system at Centennial should

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have been replaced twice already. What are we waiting for? Waiting for a complete shutdown of the

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school? I come from a culture where education, health, safety, happiness is our core values.

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I moved across the world to give our children a better future. It is heartbreaking and honestly

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shameful. For me to mention this even to my family, to my friends in China,

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your time is expired.

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Next up is Karina Fisher, who will be followed by Cindy Love. What? Followed by Laurie Rainey.

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Good evening. My name is Karina Fisher. I'm testifying and know other capacity but of a parent,

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of a centennial student. I have no written testimony because my father passed away, but I am here,

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because I don't trust this board. I don't trust anything about the county, this board, at all,

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anymore. And I'm coming in between a burial site and a funeral home because of it.

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To show this sign to make it very clear that Centennial High School is the high school based on data

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to move forward this capital budget season if a high school is voted upon.

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and there are a lot of people testifying it is disgusting that our kids are

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here after they're walking up after drop-off, smushed between moving

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steel that vehicle and a chiller risking their lives. That students you've heard

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already have been evacuated three times since the beginning of school. We have

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burning air in our ninth grade hallways. What is it gonna take? And now we hear

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about this revision and this revisiting to a system because why the blinded system didn't yield

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the results that Jolene mostly wanted because that's the only conclusion that is reasonable.

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And I thank you, Dr. Chen, for always being the voice of truth and saying twice last year,

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not out of your mouth, but asking the school system which school has the highest capital need.

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I am exhausted. It is year eight. Three years coming up to Dunlagen vote because I knew it was going to happen. The writing was on the wall.

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So we sat for three years as a community testifying for all three schools ahead of Dunlagen High School.

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Then Dunlagen comes and all of the magic.

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Our school can get bumped, although it was the list by dead data. So what happens? There are efforts to strip capacity points. But then add them later on to schools that might be at preference. There is an attempt to subtract feeder schools and redistricting. That didn't work either. Nothing erases the data that has been in front of you since I've been showing up here. Now for the eighth year, three years in support of schools.

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ahead of us because we don't jump lines. We don't show up to the county council trying

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to get our school of head of others risking millions of dollars that we do not have.

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And then for three years, fighting to get done long and back up where it belonged. After

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this board bumped it. And now we're here in Centennial. This is the second years our

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kids are in danger. I don't know how else to make this clear. And please acknowledge what

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has gone on in this boardroom by board member Jolyne Mosley. I appreciate it if you both are

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kids because they are in

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next up is Cindy Laffalette followed by Laurie Rainey followed by Megan

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Benedict.

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Hello everyone that's nice to see you all after a long hiatus. I'm here tonight as well

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on behalf of capital improvement and the effects that it has on our students and community and especially

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from the amazing Centennial High School students that you heard from here this evening.

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We have $790 million in capital improvement needs, 600 million of that, is in projects,

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new builds, renovations, and addition, and $193 million in deferred maintenance.

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I know you all don't need me to tell you that the fine print on page 66 of the EMFP dated 65 states

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and escalation rate of 3% year-over-year with 10-year unaddressed total of a half a billion

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dollars, but I think that the community needs to hear that half a billion dollars in ten

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years. That chart on the pages deceiving because it makes it look like we're running

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smooth when we're really not. And the state of our schools is also deceiving, especially

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at Centennial High School, where you've heard we face closures. During finals, we've recently

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had evacuations, due to all kinds of issues, massive safety concerns, and just trying to

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work a quick HVAC fix. Simon, up that we were getting a new one at the end of the school

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year last year and then that sign came right down. Our kids are missing vital instruction

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time in the school with no windows, routing portables, not feeling safe even going to the bathroom.

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I could go on and on, but the data on page 17 of the same EFMP can speak plainly enough as it's

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still less Centennial High School, as the highest ranked high school on the facility prioritization list

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and as well as Karina's very impassioned testimony that she gave before. That ranking will only

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continue to rise as health and safety issues and our student's ability to learn, continue to plummet.

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During the recent primaries, the Maryweather Post released a growth and development score card that contained the question.

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The county should allocate a higher percentage of its budget to debt service payments to fund school and other infrastructure projects, even if doing so puts pressure on the county's triple A bond rating.

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Most disagreed with that, or were neutral, yet bonds in Pego were often discussed throughout the primaries.

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Let me see here.

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The recent surcharge report released in August of this year even mentions bond sales and debt repayments.

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And we just keep hearing about bonds, bonds, bonds.

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So I've taken a suggestion of a bond referendum for capital improvement to incoming elected officials,

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general members of the public, as well as the current members of this board and to our at large board of ID candidates.

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And I would also ask, what data are we using to get our equitable share of state money for our systemic renovations?

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money that we put into the state.

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What can we do to help get the data that we need to help get some of that money back?

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And I would also say that on the topic of board referendum that gives power to the people,

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should the county decide how do we advocate for that and let the people decide how we're

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going to get the money and help get the money to pay for our schools.

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But you can't talk money without a plan, I believe if we have a public facing plan that

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matches the needs outlining the FMP, we can help you work to get that money.

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My children will never see a benefit of a centennial school renovation, but they will see a-

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Next up is Lori Rainey, who will be followed by Megan Benedict, who will be followed by Namesh Chahida.

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proud parent of three Howard County public school children.

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My daughter graduated from Centennial High in 2019.

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My son in 2024 and my youngest is currently a sophomore at Centennial.

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I've spent a lot of time in and around the building over the last 12 years.

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My children have been involved in a variety of activities and I've been able to volunteer for a variety of things.

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Currently I run the staff appreciation programs for our PTSA.

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We have two cabinets in the staff lounge where we keep non-food supplies.

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Every couple of months when I open those cabinets, I have to clean out mouse poop and not just a little.

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We keep everything in plastic bins and still it's a huge problem.

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These cabinets are in a room next to the kitchen, and in an area where staff members eat.

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My concern is that if it's rampant in an area that doesn't attract mice, then what is it like in other parts of the building?

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When my daughter started in high school in 2015, Centennial was supposed to be renovated.

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And while it wouldn't have affected her time there, it would have affected her brothers, but it's wrong.

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long. Centennial has been consistently overlooked.

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Over 10 years ago, the concerns about overcrowding were an issue, but nothing was really done

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except to put in some portables.

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Those portables are useless when it comes to extreme temperatures, like the cold that

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we had last winter, they're uninhabitable.

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Inside the building is really not much better.

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Some rooms are freezing while others are boiling.

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Students need to dress in layers like they're going into the great outdoors.

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Unfortunately, students and staff don't get to see much of the outdoors unless they're going to portables.

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Because there are so few windows.

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Many classrooms have no natural light at all.

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The fluorescent lighting is a migraine trigger for some, including my son.

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and those classrooms are completely sealed off

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from any natural light.

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The Centennial High School Building

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is and has been in desperate need of help.

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It's been a long time coming.

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Please consider finally funding the long overdue maintenance

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that the students and staff deserve.

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Thank you.

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Next up is Megan Benedict, then Namesh Chahirah,

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online, then Beth Hema.

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Good afternoon.

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My name is Megan Benedict, and I have a son

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who graduated from Centennial in 2024 and a daughter who is currently a junior there.

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We moved here in 2014 in large part because of the schools and Centennial's reputation

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in particular. We were delighted to hear that the school was slated for renovation before

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our oldest sons started there in 2020. Well, here we are in 2026 and Centennial's renovations

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have been pushed off six times, if my count is correct, and supposedly will start in 2036.

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Centennial cannot function as it is for the next 10 years. Yes, there are numerous internal

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issues like overcrowding, non-functioning restrooms, rodents, and portables that are literally

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falling apart. Sadly, many schools in our county are facing similar problems, but I was

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compelled to speak here today because of the issues that have been going on with the HVAC

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00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:42,770
system and Chiller since June 2026. I am not an HVAC expert by my understanding that is that

436
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:47,590
in June, the Chiller broke. This forced our students to miss two days of school during exam week

437
00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:51,910
because there was no functioning air conditioning. A temporary Chiller was brought in so we could

438
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:52,930
to finish out our school year.

439
00:38:53,330 --> 00:38:55,550
Three months later, and it is still not fixed.

440
00:38:56,170 --> 00:38:58,370
Despite the fancy sign outside of the school

441
00:38:58,370 --> 00:39:00,310
that says building bright futures in America,

442
00:39:00,650 --> 00:39:02,950
the state of Maryland and the Howard County Board of Education

443
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:05,210
are performing HVAC upgrade services.

444
00:39:05,890 --> 00:39:08,170
We are 13 days into this academic year

445
00:39:08,170 --> 00:39:10,750
and the building has been evacuated three times.

446
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:13,570
On August 31st, there was a sprinkler failure.

447
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:16,710
On September 8th, there was a burnt motor belt

448
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:18,750
that led to an extended student evacuation,

449
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:21,070
so the fire department could investigate

450
00:39:21,070 --> 00:39:23,810
and perform an indoor environmental quality assessment

451
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:26,890
to evaluate the safety of the building and the air inside.

452
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:29,190
And then there was another sprinkler failure

453
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:31,770
due to water pressure issues on September 9th.

454
00:39:32,190 --> 00:39:35,010
After the September 8th incident, my daughter came home

455
00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:38,130
and for the first time in either of my children's academic careers,

456
00:39:38,890 --> 00:39:41,170
she told me she no longer feels safe at school.

457
00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:43,050
She scared there would be a fire.

458
00:39:44,330 --> 00:39:47,610
This is unacceptable. This is a major safety concern.

459
00:39:47,610 --> 00:39:56,370
My understanding is that the Chiller at Centennial is so old, they no longer make the parts needed to fix it, and it has to be custom ordered, hence all these issues and delays.

460
00:39:57,010 --> 00:40:05,050
So now what? The temporary Chiller isn't working, it isn't safe. Our children, the students you are supposed to advocate for, aren't safe.

461
00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:10,130
With all due respect, these children aren't safe because of the inaction of this board and your predecessors.

462
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:14,530
You have pushed Centennials renovations off year after year after year.

463
00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:15,650
No more.

464
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:18,950
I am begging you to fix this dangerous mess that you have made.

465
00:40:19,530 --> 00:40:23,850
Yes, Centennials in need of a complete renovation before 2036.

466
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:29,450
But more urgently, Centennial needs a safe, reliable, permanent solution to its broken chiller

467
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:30,970
and HVAC system today.

468
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:31,890
Thank you.

469
00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:41,920
Next up is Namesh Chahedath online.

470
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:45,330
Good evening.

471
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:48,310
My name is Namesh Chahedath.

472
00:40:53,510 --> 00:41:01,950
I am here tonight to ask the board to move CHS to the top of the capital improvement priority list.

473
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:16,500
Not in the next cycle and not in 2036, but now CHS has been on the long range plan for almost 13 or maybe 15 years.

474
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:20,580
and its renovation dates continuously keep getting pushed out.

475
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:26,440
This is not a delay, that's a pattern and somebody needs to be held responsible for that.

476
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:31,220
While we wait, the building is falling in real time.

477
00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:35,120
I don't want to repeat everything that the previous members have said,

478
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:42,500
but the chillers, the continuous evacuations three times in two weeks is unacceptable.

479
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:43,680
The

480
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:52,800
building has mice and the bathrooms,

481
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,360
broken tiles, original since 1977.

482
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,740
They've never been touched upon, rusted doors.

483
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,380
I think my daughter doesn't even go to the bathroom

484
00:42:03,380 --> 00:42:07,240
at school because of such horrid conditions.

485
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,260
It is over 100% capacity with only natural light

486
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:15,140
coming from fluorescent lights.

487
00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:22,460
there have been no windows in an only a quarter of the classrooms have some IT

488
00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:31,720
and pressure. I would just ask the board here to follow the data that is being

489
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:38,420
driven and commit to a transparent data driven process. So no community has to

490
00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:44,080
wonder why the school keeps getting pushed out of line. Thank you.

491
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,800
Next up is Beth Hema.

492
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,620
Good afternoon, board members and superintendent Barnes.

493
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:10,620
I am here testifying as a community member,

494
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,460
as a parent of a recent graduate of Centennial High School,

495
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,660
and as a former president of a Centennial PTSA.

496
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,240
I have seen up close and lived with the poor quality

497
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,720
of the facilities at Centennial.

498
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:23,940
After four years of seeing my kid

499
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:26,340
and her fellow students struggle to make doing a building

500
00:43:26,340 --> 00:43:29,580
that was substandard, inadequate, deteriorated,

501
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:30,760
and depressing to be in,

502
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:37,560
I have been a guest to watch since last spring, the facility dramatically deteriorate even further.

503
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:43,180
And to see that HCPSS has no immediate or comprehensive answer to these appalling conditions.

504
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,540
After years of patching and repairs, the HVAC system at Centennial reached the end of its

505
00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:51,060
life in June of this year and was declared irreparable.

506
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,860
Our kids were forced out of school for two days during final exams.

507
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:59,540
A chiller unit was brought to the school at grade expense and installed temporarily to get

508
00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:02,900
us through the hot season, which could last well into the fall.

509
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:07,040
The chiller has provided some relief but also brought its own problems.

510
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,700
The physical space that it takes up exacerbates vehicular and pedestrian traffic issues.

511
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,280
The noise it makes can be overwhelming, and its performance has been inconsistent.

512
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:21,540
It is a crazily expensive and inadequate patch on an already broken system.

513
00:44:22,060 --> 00:44:26,220
It has been the capper on an already intolerable list of inadequacies at the school.

514
00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:30,600
Our student population is well beyond the physical capacity of the building.

515
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,960
We have multiple portable classrooms that are themselves aged in poor condition.

516
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,660
The lab instruction rooms, the gym, the locker rooms, the studios, the bathrooms,

517
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:41,760
none of them are up to modern standards.

518
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,380
We have outdated technology, leaks, mold, mice, I could go on.

519
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,840
There's also an almost complete lack of natural light in the building,

520
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,400
which affects the mental well-being of everyone inside.

521
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:58,500
Unlike every other high school in the county, our sports stadium has no-

522
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,720
No bathroom facilities, other than port-a-potties, which are located up a steep hill, and in practical terms, these port-a-potties are unusable for handicap attendees, and for the rest, they're unsanitary and unsavory. In this day and in this county, how has this school been left with bathroom options that are inaccessible and have no running water available to wash with? The failing HVAC system forced our kids out of school for two days in June, and just since the start of the new school year, there have already been three forced evacuations of the building during the school day for one physical failure,

523
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:34,700
or another. This has been highly disruptive for teaching and learning and speaks volumes

524
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:40,540
about unsafe conditions that our kids and teachers are living with daily. By any objective

525
00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:45,180
analysis, Centennial is in dire need of renovation and has been for a very long time.

526
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:51,320
With all the glaring inadequacies that Centennial and now acute system failures affecting daily

527
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:57,160
life for students and staff, the renovation of this facility must take priority. We expect

528
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,260
the ranking decision process to be transparent and to rely on objective data.

529
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:06,580
This is a crisis happening now and the board needs to address it with a permanent solution.

530
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:22,660
This concludes public hearing. We will now move on to the work session with board members.

531
00:46:23,580 --> 00:46:31,220
This work session will be focused on the fiscal 28 superintendents proposed state capital budget.

532
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:36,060
But there will not be approval action tonight.

533
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:44,620
The board will take action on the superintendents proposed state capital budget on September 24th at the regular meeting.

534
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:47,880
It will be in the consent agenda.

535
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:59,720
So this takes us to the fiscal 28 state capital budget work session.

536
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:13,340
The associated documentation is the document that was prepared for the meeting on the 24th and is available online.

537
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:25,340
Mr. Lutley, do you want to begin with any remarks or Mr. Brown, would you prefer to begin with any remarks?

538
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:28,940
And I'm going to,

539
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:33,700
we're going to pause.

540
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,220
Can we please go into recess?

541
00:48:13,290 --> 00:48:14,790
The meeting will now resume.

542
00:48:20,670 --> 00:48:21,610
Thank you, Chair Malum.

543
00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:25,010
My name is Dan Lubli, Executive Director of Capital Planning and Construction.

544
00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:29,730
And with me this evening, Mr. Cornel Brown, our Chief Operating Officer.

545
00:48:30,350 --> 00:48:38,990
As indicated by Chair Malum, we are here to assist the Board of Education in their work session for the fiscal year 2028.

546
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:42,570
Superintendents proposed state capital projects.

547
00:48:43,330 --> 00:49:00,050
As was presented on August 20th, there are four projects that are currently recommended for consideration to request state funding in the CIP, which is capital improvement program from the state for fiscal year 2028.

548
00:49:00,050 --> 00:49:05,630
Those projects include the Dunlog and Middle School Renovation In-Dition Project,

549
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:14,090
two roof projects and a roof and envelope project at Long Reach High School.

550
00:49:14,650 --> 00:49:18,890
Mr. Brown and myself are here to assist the board in their discussion.

551
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:28,610
Board members, if you would like to begin, does anyone want to kick this off?

552
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:30,390
Please raise your hand.

553
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:34,990
Ms. Watts, please go ahead.

554
00:49:36,670 --> 00:49:37,510
You may have answered this already.

555
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:39,210
I apologize for asking this again.

556
00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:43,950
Can you explain the Longreach High School roof project

557
00:49:43,950 --> 00:49:46,230
what led to that project coming forward?

558
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:49,230
I know I've seen Longreach coming up more and more.

559
00:49:49,650 --> 00:49:51,390
So I would just curious about the roof of the school.

560
00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:52,430
Yes, ma'am.

561
00:49:52,530 --> 00:49:53,350
Thank you for that question.

562
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:56,670
So the Longreach roof and on the low project

563
00:49:56,670 --> 00:49:59,690
is actually a prior project that was in the capital budget

564
00:50:00,130 --> 00:50:00,570
previously.

565
00:50:01,630 --> 00:50:05,550
During the initial design of that project,

566
00:50:05,550 --> 00:50:17,250
In fact, there were several items that cropped up that forced that project to be held off due to scope as well as swing space issues.

567
00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:24,790
It has been a project that has been continuously in the capital budget under that systemic renovation modernization line item.

568
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:33,290
The specific items that lead to the Longreach Project being recommended are one the roof.

569
00:50:33,570 --> 00:50:38,910
The Longreach roof is the next roof on our deferred maintenance for roof projects, as well

570
00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:39,810
as the envelope.

571
00:50:40,450 --> 00:50:49,950
There are several items that could cause concerns with infiltration of moisture, including some

572
00:50:49,950 --> 00:50:58,070
items with the exterior veneer, as well as flashing, as well as several window items that lead us to recommend this project.

573
00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:03,620
Ambalote means the surrounding package around the school, right?

574
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:04,900
That is correct, yes, ma'am.

575
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:08,540
I talked to the principal when she was saying it's falling off, so it's good here.

576
00:51:09,020 --> 00:51:15,800
I'm not aware of a section that has fallen off yet, but there are areas that you can see movement in the veneer.

577
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:21,580
Okay, maybe that's I've taken a step further, but that's the issue saying that she can definitely see that there's some movement there.

578
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,100
Understood. Okay, thank you.

579
00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:27,910
Dr. Chen, please go ahead.

580
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:37,670
Yeah, I think first, you know, as a part, we do receive a lot of incident report when a school star, I think it's including Centennial.

581
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:40,130
That's the other school happening.

582
00:51:41,330 --> 00:51:45,250
My question will be in terms of the Centennial three accidents.

583
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:47,410
That's a separate the right.

584
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:52,110
So is anything we can do to prevent similar thing happen?

585
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,380
Yeah, thank you for that question.

586
00:51:55,580 --> 00:51:57,200
Cornel Brown chief operating officer.

587
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:07,620
So the incidents as then presented through public testimony issues with our sprinkler system.

588
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:13,240
While contractors were in the building performing work, we have some air bubbles in the system

589
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:15,160
and they set off the fire alarm.

590
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:20,940
So we have to evacuate, investigate, find out what the source of the problem is,

591
00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:23,440
correct it, students return to the building.

592
00:52:24,140 --> 00:52:30,580
In this case, for those fire alarm sprinkler issues, just take some time to troubleshoot and

593
00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:37,180
diagnose, but those issues were caused by work that was being performed in the building.

594
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:44,000
The other issue with the VAV boxes could not be prevented.

595
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:58,200
We have V of e boxes there and you spelled that out V as in Victor a as an air V as in Victor V a V in stands for yeah variable air volume.

596
00:52:58,580 --> 00:53:02,240
Thank you so there in the ceiling there are

597
00:53:03,620 --> 00:53:13,140
motors and components that push the air into the space at a certain volume so that they

598
00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:19,100
treated so you can cool it or they increase or decrease the flow of air to a particular

599
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:19,700
space.

600
00:53:20,620 --> 00:53:30,460
So in this case the motor and belts failed and started to cause the burning in the odor and

601
00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:40,400
And we have several hundred VAV boxes through a high school facility, and yeah, there are several throughout the building.

602
00:53:41,140 --> 00:53:46,280
In this case, there was one that failed and caused the problem.

603
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:58,040
So we had identified which VAV box failed, then we had to inspect the area, you know, just to see how extreme.

604
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:16,320
And it was, the older was, and then I asked our HVAC team to adjust the air cycle to help dissipate the order within the building.

605
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:26,640
So they had to work on the equipment to increase the air exchange so that we could dissipate the order over a quicker amount of time.

606
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:36,720
identify where the variable air volume box failed and then make that, you know, repair was a belt or something that they had to replace.

607
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:46,400
Nothing that you can avoid because we have those type of failures even on new systems.

608
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:55,340
Even, you know, systems that are not as old, but we've been having some challenges, obviously,

609
00:54:55,340 --> 00:54:58,860
over as Centennial High, being that the equipment is old.

610
00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:04,820
But we have invested, once we replace the chiller,

611
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,860
we're talking about some $3 million, and making repairs to the existing HVAC equipment,

612
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:17,960
through the pneumatic controls, a new chiller is going to come online for the next cooling season.

613
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:23,700
And we'll just continue to do our best to maintain the system as we do some of our other facilities.

614
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:36,120
Thank you. I think, you know, from pan-society to care about, you know, care is a safety, but from the board, we do receive a lot of report.

615
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:45,100
Centennial is one of them. I think it's another easy job to solve this quickly and respond quickly. I think, follow up with a question about Centennial.

616
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:53,200
The trailer is a temporary, but by November, they will be removed by the permanent one.

617
00:55:53,200 --> 00:56:23,140
So the temporary chiller is a 330 pound tonne chiller that they're going to remove, I believe October the 26th is the date where we'll remove the temporary chiller, we'll be at the end of the cooling season and then December through February where the new chiller would be installed to get prepared for the cooling season.

618
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,960
so when will start will be next year or because of this school year when we go

619
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:34,380
after the winter when we transition back from our heating plant to our cooling

620
00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:41,120
plant the plan is to have the new chiller in place by spring by this okay

621
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:47,740
got you okay well thank you I think I think I'm you know I've been the

622
00:56:47,740 --> 00:56:54,240
both for three years. Every year we try to get more money to solving those difficult issues.

623
00:56:55,020 --> 00:57:02,420
And I think from the county side, last year we got a very good support from county.

624
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:08,700
But over the years, I think 70 million per year is not enough. The cost is increasing.

625
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,480
The number of schools, we don't want to say, okay, we're coming here,

626
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:19,860
Centennial coming here, then the Moscow coming. I think it really needs a team work. How can we increase the funding?

627
00:57:21,820 --> 00:57:26,220
It's 70 minutes, not acceptable. I think we need to figure out the solution.

628
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:35,920
I know it's a harder burden on you guys because anything happens. People will look at the operation department, but it's probably the bigger than the operation.

629
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,500
It's the whole funding formula.

630
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,520
When I look at it, as you see, they have a big change.

631
00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:44,660
In the last 10 years, they have so much new buildings coming up.

632
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,160
I don't know any funding is different.

633
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,780
It's the use of different funding formula,

634
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,340
what are we can do different?

635
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:54,360
So for who using a different?

636
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,640
For county community college.

637
00:57:56,060 --> 00:57:59,020
Because every time I saw, they have so much new buildings

638
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:00,280
in the last 10 years.

639
00:58:00,940 --> 00:58:02,960
The parking lot, you know, they have new buildings

640
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,040
and the new sports complex and a lot of new construction.

641
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:14,060
Right, so I don't know until you know jealousy, but that's some comparison that people were wondering yeah

642
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:21,280
Yeah, the community college they have a whole different funding stream between local government and state

643
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,300
And and also it's a community college and you know, they have a

644
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:30,280
tuition and you know, so it's a whole different on funding strategy then

645
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,060
You know your local public school system

646
00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:43,080
So, we usually rely on state and local and at GCC can gather the tuition and the state

647
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,320
and then the county.

648
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:53,820
Yeah, I can go and specifically pull the information on, you know, the community college

649
00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:59,340
funding in the state of Maryland, but it's not the same funding structure that public schools

650
00:58:59,340 --> 00:59:04,780
have for, you know, capital development. But I don't want to misquote our

651
00:59:04,780 --> 00:59:08,700
mixed speak, but we can pull that information and just have some conversation

652
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:13,320
with the board just for educational purposes to see the difference between

653
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:19,700
how community colleges are funded for capital development and school districts

654
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:23,720
are funded for capital development. Thank you. I think just from my person

655
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:28,520
and the observance of 10 years, they have a lot of construction, right?

656
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,920
I think, by any way, thank you.

657
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:33,920
Next up, Mr. Ricks.

658
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:36,840
Thank you.

659
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:42,060
And they appreciate the update since we haven't had a meeting yet

660
00:59:42,060 --> 00:59:45,560
and all these things have come up before the meeting on things they were going on.

661
00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:46,220
So thank you.

662
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:52,220
So my question, why I have to, the first was about the list.

663
00:59:52,220 --> 00:59:59,980
So we have four projects and I know it's on there that the total that is in here presented is higher than what we're doing.

664
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,900
We're anticipating to get, so when we do get the final number, and if that number's less, then does it just go 1, 2, 3, and then 4 is off? Or does it depend on what the number is kind of how it all slots in? Like, how does that play out then when we find the final number? So the projects that are listed are listed in priority order. So it would be 1, 2, 3, 4. The state will fund them based off of the order that we provide them.

665
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:37,480
to the state and that's one reason that we indicate that when we request the board to approve

666
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:43,920
the state projects, we also request approval of the priority ordering so that when that does happen,

667
01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:50,480
the state knows where to put the money. The state does not want to just act on their own,

668
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,540
they want to make sure that they are putting the money in the priority that we see as a county

669
01:00:55,540 --> 01:00:56,640
of where it needs to go.

670
01:00:57,540 --> 01:01:00,440
Okay, so then the number that we get from them

671
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,320
is going to be some like denomination of one to two

672
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,160
or one to three.

673
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:07,000
Like they're not going to say like,

674
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:09,340
well, we would have given you a little more than one

675
01:01:09,340 --> 01:01:11,160
through three, but that, you know,

676
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,580
we can't afford number four.

677
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:14,380
Like is that kind of how that goes?

678
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,040
No, so the number one project right now in the priority

679
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,000
is the Dunloggin Middle School.

680
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:24,500
So that one, again, it's the HCPSS staff estimate

681
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:30,180
that that project is actually eligible for more funding than we are requesting in fiscal year 28.

682
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,420
The state is not going to increase our request because that is what we are actually requesting.

683
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:46,380
They will honor our requests and then in the next year, the additional funds that will allow us to ask for that funding in the next fiscal year.

684
01:01:47,020 --> 01:01:52,600
Okay, so they're going to figure out an amount based on whatever how they figure it out.

685
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:59,600
And then if there's a difference, the eligibility of that first project rolls over to the next year.

686
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:03,500
So we're just saying, okay, great.

687
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:08,440
And then just another question that I had, Ms. Watson is mentioning about long reach and

688
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,940
about the outside of the building.

689
01:02:10,940 --> 01:02:17,200
I know that's the 90s vintage building and I recall Alchorgel's inventory also 90s vintage

690
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:22,380
having a lot of issues with their bricks outside they had ones that were just crumbling

691
01:02:22,380 --> 01:02:29,880
and then they had an issue with the gymnasium wall that was sinking and daylight was visible.

692
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:39,060
Is there a sprint some kind of quality concern with some of those materials of that time period?

693
01:02:39,060 --> 01:02:41,320
But are we seeing that at other buildings as well?

694
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,340
Not in general, no.

695
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:49,240
The construction and the quality or the material that has been used is fairly standard.

696
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:52,820
I'm aware of both of these situations, and

697
01:02:52,820 --> 01:03:00,080
the preliminary investigation at Longreach is shown as because of flashing issues,

698
01:03:00,260 --> 01:03:03,220
needing for flashing, and some tie-back of that veneer.

699
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,720
At Elk Ridge, it was due to underground water.

700
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:18,640
There are streams and aquifers there that unfortunately had it sink, and that unsettled the wall, so it's not really the same at both different projects.

701
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:29,740
Okay, and I know that there were also in other areas, the brick that was, it wasn't like a structural wall, but there were like, kind of walls around the stairs and walls around the dumpsters and stuff.

702
01:03:29,740 --> 01:03:40,840
but they were just kind of like crumbling and I don't know if that's similar to what's being seen at Longreach or it's all related to that flashing.

703
01:03:41,620 --> 01:03:54,740
It at Longreach is primarily related to the flashing there are different bricks that are used and they are fired differently so that could be something that shows up but at Longreach is more due to the actual construction of the flashing items like that.

704
01:03:54,740 --> 01:03:57,140
Okay. Thank you.

705
01:03:59,970 --> 01:04:05,470
Okay. Before Ms. Watts has a second turn, with regards to the Longreach

706
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:14,110
High School envelope and roof project, is there any unspent prior appropriations being

707
01:04:14,110 --> 01:04:20,650
allocated towards this? Not prior allocations from the previous

708
01:04:22,290 --> 01:04:26,410
this would be a new request to the state and the local.

709
01:04:27,130 --> 01:04:31,350
Okay, so when the previous allocations were given,

710
01:04:31,610 --> 01:04:38,690
what were those allocations spent on since there were at some point,

711
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:44,550
since the project never went forward, what was the allocation spent on,

712
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:49,410
and is that going to be a problem with asking the state for money?

713
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,600
So they were prior allocations.

714
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:54,360
Understood.

715
01:04:54,740 --> 01:04:55,720
And that's a great question.

716
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,940
And there will not be a problem.

717
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,640
The prior project was actually rescinded from the state.

718
01:05:00,740 --> 01:05:03,500
So we did not actually receive funds.

719
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,660
So they were not spent on anything else.

720
01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:09,340
So the project started.

721
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,440
And it was a state project.

722
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,000
But it did not actually get into full design and construction.

723
01:05:15,020 --> 01:05:18,280
So we did not receive any actual money from the state.

724
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:24,500
So the project itself was rescinded, so there should be no issue from the state's perspective with regards to that.

725
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:31,360
Okay, so how often do we have projects rescinded?

726
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:36,200
It's not that often. Most of the projects go forward as planned.

727
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:44,360
This was one, as I noted previously, the project started and there were several items that started to crop up in the design and investigation.

728
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,380
One example would be the fireproofing.

729
01:05:47,600 --> 01:06:13,840
The fireproofing on the roof was expected to be solid, but as we started to do investigations and work on the roof, we started to notice that there were sections that were falling, that would impact the actual classrooms, and as part of the project there was, that was not part of the initial scope, and there was not swing space to accommodate that so the project could not move forward as it was originally conceived.

730
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:14,920
Was

731
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:26,620
the original Long Beach High School envelope project in the systemic renovations category?

732
01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:28,800
Yes, ma'am.

733
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:35,000
At what point was that number adjusted for the rescission?

734
01:06:37,070 --> 01:06:44,730
Because I thought we had received funding and it was listed previously as an unspent prior allocation.

735
01:06:44,730 --> 01:06:48,410
So if we didn't receive the money,

736
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,140
when we were in the initial investigation stages,

737
01:06:55,180 --> 01:06:59,960
how much was spent, where was that money allocated from,

738
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:04,680
and then how was the board to know that there was a rescission?

739
01:07:06,220 --> 01:07:10,420
So with a state funder project, as the board knows,

740
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,800
there's funding from the county and funding from the state.

741
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:19,780
So during the design, that's typically funding that is spent from the county, not the state.

742
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:27,220
And the state funding is received, or the state funding is initially allocated, but not

743
01:07:27,220 --> 01:07:31,540
actually provided until you actually start to expend it, and then it's a reimbursement.

744
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:38,760
So even, and I'd have to go back and take a look to speak about it at 100% confidence, but

745
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:44,060
But even if the long-reach project received an allocation, we did not actually receive any money.

746
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:56,440
So rescinding a project with a state essentially means that we're taking it back as a request from the state and they eliminate that allocation.

747
01:07:56,980 --> 01:08:02,700
But no money was actually provided to us, so no state money was actually spent on that project.

748
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:09,140
In fact, during the initial investigation, initial design, that was local dollar, that was spent, not state dollar.

749
01:08:09,660 --> 01:08:10,840
Right, how much was spent?

750
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,840
I do not know that off the top of my head.

751
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:17,140
We can take a look at that, and I can also look to see how the board was informed about the rescission.

752
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:22,850
Okay, that would be great.

753
01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:24,770
I would like that follow up.

754
01:08:26,110 --> 01:08:27,590
Ms. Watts, please go ahead.

755
01:08:28,730 --> 01:08:37,050
I have a question. It's on page 117 of this book, the EFMP. I need someone to come with

756
01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:38,050
that acronym for this thing.

757
01:08:40,210 --> 01:08:43,390
I notice my hope that we just marched on this list, right?

758
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:51,430
So looking at this, I can see where we are taking care of or have listed in here. Everything

759
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:53,830
thing through Hollyfield Station Elementary.

760
01:08:55,030 --> 01:09:00,110
But then Lyme-Kill, for example, is right after Hollyfield Station, the deferred maintenance

761
01:09:00,110 --> 01:09:01,170
is 10.9.

762
01:09:02,490 --> 01:09:08,810
Mayfield Woods, the FCI score is 20 points, which is the highest, currently the highest

763
01:09:08,810 --> 01:09:14,370
FCI score of anything, bolts in elementary, the deferred maintenance is 13, and then we

764
01:09:14,370 --> 01:09:14,930
get to long reach.

765
01:09:15,550 --> 01:09:19,330
So I'm curious, why have we skipped over these three schools?

766
01:09:19,330 --> 01:09:24,470
I guess I can understand why Mayfield Woods, FCI because it seems like retargeting deferred maintenance right now, right?

767
01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:27,850
So, I'm curious why we skipped over

768
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:32,450
Lyme-Kill and Fulton in favor of the Longreach project.

769
01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:38,050
So Lyme-Kill actually has an HVAC project that is currently in construction right now.

770
01:09:38,330 --> 01:09:38,530
Okay.

771
01:09:38,770 --> 01:09:43,950
So that is one project that, and it's literally in construction, this was the first summer, first phase of construction.

772
01:09:44,530 --> 01:09:49,070
So that will address a lot of the, not all, but a lot of the needs at Lyme-Kill

773
01:09:49,070 --> 01:09:50,650
and deferred maintenance items.

774
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:57,690
Mayfield Woods was looked at and considered Mayfield Woods is a project that is currently in the long range master plan.

775
01:09:58,310 --> 01:10:05,330
And as we discussed, we're holding off on any modifications to that until we have the prioritization process completed.

776
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:10,710
Fulton, we did look at that and it's not the only, but

777
01:10:10,710 --> 01:10:14,610
one of the largest aspects of deferred maintenance for Fulton is a roof project.

778
01:10:14,610 --> 01:10:18,790
And that was, I can tell you the look at it and tell you the year, but

779
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:28,610
that was a project that is also currently in the works right now as the replacement of the roof at Fulton as well, which will address a lot of the deferred maintenance there.

780
01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:30,550
Why is it not before long reach?

781
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:33,730
It is, that is already happening.

782
01:10:35,010 --> 01:10:36,010
The Fulton one?

783
01:10:36,090 --> 01:10:36,810
The Fulton one?

784
01:10:36,990 --> 01:10:37,250
Yes, ma'am.

785
01:10:37,250 --> 01:10:45,570
And maybe I line came is the one not happening may feel the woods is the one that's not happening because it is in the long range master plan.

786
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:55,310
Fulton is currently under construction for HVAC and the Fulton roof and I'm surprised to have it right in front of me.

787
01:10:57,730 --> 01:11:07,050
Sorry, I don't have the year it started, but Fulton roof is a project, a recent project that's in the capital budget, so it is already in design to happen.

788
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:10,650
So it is also happening before the long reach project.

789
01:11:10,750 --> 01:11:16,110
Okay, so and I'm going to make sure I have these notes of them right because I keep drawing arrows different things.

790
01:11:16,230 --> 01:11:16,490
Yes ma'am.

791
01:11:16,670 --> 01:11:18,550
Lime kiln is what's happening at Lime kiln?

792
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:24,770
A full HVSE heating ventilation and air conditioning renovation project.

793
01:11:25,010 --> 01:11:27,610
And do you know what year it was a wrap up?

794
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:31,990
2028, it's got two more summers.

795
01:11:32,230 --> 01:11:34,050
So summer 27 and summer 28.

796
01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:36,950
So we are going through our list systematically.

797
01:11:37,450 --> 01:11:38,050
Well, you're trying.

798
01:11:38,290 --> 01:11:38,390
Yes.

799
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:39,570
Okay. That was my question.

800
01:11:39,930 --> 01:11:40,710
All right. Thank you.

801
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:40,990
Yes.

802
01:11:42,610 --> 01:11:44,830
Ms. Watts, can you reiterate what page that was?

803
01:11:45,550 --> 01:11:46,930
It is 117.

804
01:11:47,170 --> 01:11:49,210
It's the condition prioritization view.

805
01:11:49,390 --> 01:11:51,570
So that's like kind of what we're talking about right now.

806
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:54,970
And if you go through like right now,

807
01:11:54,970 --> 01:11:55,710
we're talking about ill-chester.

808
01:11:55,930 --> 01:11:56,690
And this is the problem.

809
01:11:56,830 --> 01:12:00,310
I need to attach these things that are currently happening

810
01:12:00,310 --> 01:12:00,990
right in progress.

811
01:12:01,290 --> 01:12:02,770
So I know what, you know, we've done.

812
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:07,030
So, Ilchester right now is on this list for a roof.

813
01:12:07,690 --> 01:12:12,090
We have Patapsco, Jeffertail, brought in Branch, Worthington, we've talked about those

814
01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:12,470
before.

815
01:12:13,150 --> 01:12:16,330
Holly Fulcation is also on our current list.

816
01:12:17,050 --> 01:12:23,830
And then my questions were about Ryan Kilm and Fulton, which both have projects that will

817
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:27,670
address some of the deferred maintenance and Maple Woods is on a long range master plan.

818
01:12:28,170 --> 01:12:31,130
So it is in line as well.

819
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:34,050
and then we get to the long-reach

820
01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:35,410
dogmark in Oakland, most often.

821
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:36,890
Yes, ma'am.

822
01:12:38,050 --> 01:12:38,330
Okay.

823
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:41,930
I need, if there is a way for me to, like,

824
01:12:42,130 --> 01:12:45,130
in this view or somewhere connect all these pieces,

825
01:12:45,130 --> 01:12:47,550
that'd be great for me to think about the timeline.

826
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:50,770
Point me to the page.

827
01:12:51,090 --> 01:12:51,910
Is the request clear?

828
01:12:53,010 --> 01:12:53,910
It is clear.

829
01:12:54,170 --> 01:12:56,050
It's something that we will have to provide to you.

830
01:12:56,110 --> 01:12:59,190
There's not a chart in here that marches down.

831
01:13:00,590 --> 01:13:06,650
the different lists, because there is the one that's combined of the utilization space and facility condition.

832
01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:13,310
Page 117 is specifically looking at facility condition, but we can provide a list that shows how we.

833
01:13:13,670 --> 01:13:14,290
So it works down.

834
01:13:14,510 --> 01:13:22,510
For example, on 125, so I was looking at it on 125, but on 125, it doesn't actually have all of those other schools in there.

835
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:26,970
So that I could like, it only has a handful of projects, right?

836
01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:33,570
So it'd be nice if maybe this chart was expanded so we can see the things that are being addressed.

837
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:35,170
Yeah, that's why thank you for that.

838
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:56,430
I was kind of clicking through, I was going to draw your attention to 125, and we kind of worked on that in this version of the educational facilities master plan this year, trying to see, because we got the same feedback, and I guess addition one of our EFMP and the project strategies chart.

839
01:13:56,430 --> 01:14:14,690
was designed this year to start to capture that information, and we're going to continue to develop it so that we can more comprehensively identify our high priorities and the strategies that we're using, and as you see here, the timeline for addressing those items.

840
01:14:15,010 --> 01:14:23,430
Yeah, that'd be great, because it looks like these are like the bigger projects on this 125, but it'd be nice to know the little projects that are different maintenance is picking those items.

841
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:23,950
It's a lot.

842
01:14:24,330 --> 01:14:33,510
So again, we're completing the valuation of our program spaces and we're having conversations

843
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:40,750
around what our 2027 EFMP would look like and how we will lay out the long range strategies

844
01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:46,390
and plans to the board in our FY29 capital budget and the conversations we're going to be

845
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:48,450
having in the spring and in the next summer.

846
01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:49,010
Okay.

847
01:14:49,390 --> 01:14:49,490
Perfect.

848
01:14:49,730 --> 01:14:50,090
Thank you.

849
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:58,830
And while we would like to have that for next summer if we could have it sooner, that would be even more helpful.

850
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:17,140
The information and we can provide that information to the board. Thank you. Not that information, and I was talking about an expansion on this chart, but not the information that we're going to be putting together for next year's. Right. I understand. Okay. Oh, yes. Yes, ma'am.

851
01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:20,440
Director Chen, please go ahead.

852
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,800
Yeah, I think I just follow up some questions.

853
01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:26,860
I emailed, keep up pretty much the same.

854
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,800
So right now, every year, the budget seems

855
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,300
to getting more expensive.

856
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:37,380
Like at the log in, I'd remember the 70 and now it's 90.

857
01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:41,300
In terms of funding, that way it's a secure

858
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:44,820
or we potentially will ask a little bit more funding.

859
01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:59,800
So the cost of construction is still in the 70 million down, this is the total estimate to include soft costs, and we have the done log in middle school, is it the CD that's when it comes?

860
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:09,140
Yeah, the CD report, we'll have it at the October board meeting and by CD you meet the construction document report, thank you.

861
01:16:09,140 --> 01:16:13,880
The final final design phase right where we'll show what the

862
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:18,160
Estimated construction cost are then have that conversation with the board

863
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:24,740
But where it's 93.5 million is the total project cost to include you know design

864
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:30,580
Construction management services and those type of activities in addition to the bricks and mortar construction

865
01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:37,080
Thank you. I think that's a good information. I think and that's also kind of answer because of the stage right now

866
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,460
So it's a construction site.

867
01:16:38,660 --> 01:16:42,020
I think it's too far out to consider replacement, right?

868
01:16:42,420 --> 01:16:44,380
It's I think I'm trying to answer the question.

869
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:46,580
Mr. Peter Man mentioned.

870
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,460
For Dunlogging?

871
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:48,760
If for Dunlogging, yeah.

872
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,020
Yes, we're well along in the design phase.

873
01:16:52,460 --> 01:16:56,380
And I believe we've kind of start on that project prior to

874
01:16:56,380 --> 01:16:58,360
going back and forth, you know,

875
01:16:58,380 --> 01:17:00,480
whether it's replacement, renovation, addition.

876
01:17:01,220 --> 01:17:03,100
So we would like to continue to move.

877
01:17:03,340 --> 01:17:04,820
So it's not to impact the schedule.

878
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:05,380
Okay.

879
01:17:06,140 --> 01:17:08,220
The other question is different maintenance.

880
01:17:08,740 --> 01:17:12,840
I remember last year, last season, it's a $193 million.

881
01:17:13,940 --> 01:17:16,920
Do we, data number is flat?

882
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:18,420
Is it reduced or is growing?

883
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,100
Every year, there's additional deferred maintenance

884
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:27,060
and it's estimated at the $38 or whatever million annually.

885
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,660
So we'll have to update that number

886
01:17:30,180 --> 01:17:33,520
from what we published last year

887
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,820
and we can come to the board with that updated figure.

888
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,440
Okay, what would be the timeline to see the number or be?

889
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,220
Let me get back, I need to speak with our folks

890
01:17:45,220 --> 01:17:49,620
who are updating that data because we definitely would have that

891
01:17:49,620 --> 01:17:53,460
for this capital budget cycle to share that information

892
01:17:53,460 --> 01:17:57,360
so we can update that and provide when we'll have it.

893
01:17:57,940 --> 01:17:59,840
And that's the conversation that we'd like to couple

894
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,720
with the local project discussion.

895
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:09,480
And so we should they should have that you know almost done, but I'll come back to the board with the you know date. Okay

896
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:16,840
My final one is the in terms of a centennial permanent at fact is that a limit of scope

897
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:24,320
But just make sure AC functioning chiller. We are not a touch any inside doctor work in anything way

898
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,860
Is that the chiller of a centennial? Yeah, yeah, that's just to replace the

899
01:18:28,860 --> 01:18:33,660
the chiller that failed, so they're engineering it to, you know,

900
01:18:33,780 --> 01:18:37,640
rice size it, it was 440, whatever tons.

901
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:42,420
Now, I mean, yeah, 440 toned chiller was oversized.

902
01:18:42,940 --> 01:18:47,760
I'm told it's going to be engineered to a 400 toned chiller.

903
01:18:48,340 --> 01:18:52,660
The temporary chiller that's there is a 330 toned chiller,

904
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,720
but that's the largest temporary chiller you can get.

905
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,240
So we know it's not ideal.

906
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:02,760
So, we're, you know, it's undersized, and that's why we're experiencing some of the challenges.

907
01:19:02,980 --> 01:19:03,260
Right.

908
01:19:04,460 --> 01:19:10,400
So, if that permanent solution materialized, that's the impact, that will be the impact on

909
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:19,360
the score, is that make a centennial more further down, or how do we update that?

910
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:26,740
It's like, yeah, so in the deferred maintenance, it will have a new chiller, but the overall

911
01:19:26,740 --> 01:19:33,900
plan itself is still retrofit it. So it's just the chiller. Okay. So the

912
01:19:33,900 --> 01:19:40,340
arteries and everything are still vintage with DDC controls that have been, you

913
01:19:40,340 --> 01:19:45,040
know, modified, but the rest of the building with the FCI score would still be

914
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:50,700
the 50-year facility. There will be some improvement. We have to go through that

915
01:19:50,700 --> 01:19:56,180
process with the state on the updated, the updated. And I believe they are doing

916
01:19:56,180 --> 01:19:58,840
that with the next version of the SFA?

917
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,260
Actually, this year does, yes, the Centennial

918
01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:04,100
and Oakland Mills High School were both part

919
01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:07,580
of the Fiscal Year 26 Refresh Review.

920
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,300
So we're looking to get that information

921
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:11,840
and go through it to make sure

922
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,860
that we understand their numbers and any changes.

923
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:15,860
But that should not,

924
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,660
the Chiller should not be reflected in that

925
01:20:17,660 --> 01:20:19,140
as it has not been replaced yet.

926
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,920
Okay, so they're re-evaluating those facilities now

927
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:30,740
in the next update and we'll get new information based on the DDC and

928
01:20:30,740 --> 01:20:36,540
retrofit work that we did on both facilities and then you know at some point

929
01:20:36,540 --> 01:20:42,020
later then then the chiller and DDC is direct digital control it's the

930
01:20:42,020 --> 01:20:47,500
control of the HVAC system okay and a hypothetical question if we were

931
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:54,080
run away is the chiller will be reuse basically oh we have to buy a new

932
01:20:55,120 --> 01:21:02,280
We've done that before, depends on the when, and if there's a facility where a 400-ton

933
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,220
chiller would work and is needed based on a facility.

934
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:14,060
But if we were to go and renovate any school building and we put in new air handling units,

935
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:22,520
new rooftop units, new chillers, they could be salvaged and placed in another facility, but

936
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:27,460
We have to marry it with the right facility in terms of the thermal needs.

937
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,020
Yeah, the needs system, the type of system, it will work.

938
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:31,880
Yeah.

939
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:40,900
But I know last time I asked about how much just a referral bill should renovate the AC associated system.

940
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:44,160
Even beyond each other seems to be expensive.

941
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:50,120
It's almost one third of cost, more than one third cost of the total renovation.

942
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:51,300
Is that correct number?

943
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,860
You're asking about the level of investment that we've made in Centennial?

944
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:05,280
No, Dr. Chin previously asked and I forget exactly when it was served in one of the prior capital budget processes.

945
01:22:05,700 --> 01:22:13,380
The question was asked if HVAC is one of the largest aspects, what would it cost to do in HVAC project there?

946
01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:19,420
And we took a look at that and we were trying to address that plus several other items.

947
01:22:19,420 --> 01:22:22,920
And you write that cost came out to around $70 something million.

948
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:31,740
And that was roughly two thirds or so, the cost of a full renovation.

949
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,280
But it would not address all the aspects.

950
01:22:35,420 --> 01:22:41,220
And that's one of the other things that we discussed is that there are multiple facility condition needs at Centennial.

951
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:49,340
And while this would address the HVAC, it would not address a lot of the other items that we know about in that we have heard here.

952
01:22:49,340 --> 01:22:51,940
tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. Thank you.

953
01:22:52,420 --> 01:23:01,200
That's all. Next up, Ms. McCoy. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate the discussion. I just wanted to

954
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:11,180
chime in about the feasibility of a high school renovation in the next few years.

955
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:16,800
Based on the decision that the board made to do the smaller projects,

956
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,560
and to use up all the bill to learn funds.

957
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:24,180
What is the likelihood that any high school

958
01:23:24,180 --> 01:23:30,180
will be in the running for any funding

959
01:23:30,180 --> 01:23:33,640
outside of what's already been cast

960
01:23:34,540 --> 01:23:38,940
with in particular Oakland Mills and Centennial High Schools.

961
01:23:38,940 --> 01:23:43,500
Because I know both schools are in desperate need of renovation

962
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:53,380
or replacement, but in the fiscal environment that we're in, what is the likelihood?

963
01:23:53,660 --> 01:24:01,600
Because all the passionate pleading and all of that won't change the fact that the money is not there.

964
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:09,780
And so unless there is something that you all see down the road that would change,

965
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:18,020
You know, even with working on the prioritization process and all of that, the high schools are going to be where they are up or down.

966
01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:26,940
And even if it's number one, if the funding doesn't come in, then we're going to get project number two.

967
01:24:27,340 --> 01:24:27,920
Is that correct?

968
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:37,640
I just don't want people to get their hopes up that their pleading is going to make a difference because the ship has sailed

969
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:47,750
with the bill to learn funds, unfortunately. The funding was used in a way that was not in favor

970
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:56,110
of a large project with the leftover funding. So I don't know, I don't want people to think that

971
01:24:56,110 --> 01:25:03,770
their calling and writing and pleading is going to move it anywhere unless we've got some secret funds.

972
01:25:03,770 --> 01:25:10,810
And I just want to hear from you all what is the likelihood that we would even be able

973
01:25:10,810 --> 01:25:19,030
to touch Centennial or Oakland Mills High School schools, which are the next schools,

974
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:22,730
I guess, that high schools that would need renovated.

975
01:25:24,210 --> 01:25:32,190
Yeah, currently, Oakland Mills High School, when you just go going back to page 125 in our

976
01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:39,570
educational facilities master plan, you'll see after Jeffers Hill Elementary, HVAC,

977
01:25:40,230 --> 01:25:44,230
Oakland Mills High, Mary Hill Middle, Brandwood Elementary, and Centennial High.

978
01:25:45,290 --> 01:25:53,310
After we get through the projects that would take us through 2031, they're the next major

979
01:25:53,950 --> 01:26:01,690
projects that we currently are identifying, and we're going to continue to be fine and

980
01:26:01,690 --> 01:26:12,130
and use the data that we have to kind of show up our priorities and our recommendation to the board for future projects.

981
01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:19,230
I'd just like to lift up that we are also per the board's direction and

982
01:26:19,230 --> 01:26:23,450
approval moving forward with evaluating public private partnerships,

983
01:26:23,450 --> 01:26:33,630
fingers crossed that could bring some opportunities to be creative and how we're doing our

984
01:26:33,630 --> 01:26:39,690
alternative financing and working with the county to get deeper into our list and to

985
01:26:39,690 --> 01:26:44,910
address some of our other needs in a different fiscal way.

986
01:26:45,790 --> 01:26:52,650
So we're looking to see if we can be more nimble and have more tools in our toolkit to address

987
01:26:52,650 --> 01:26:55,710
our needs so that we can get to more of our needs.

988
01:26:56,330 --> 01:27:00,710
So through the traditional funding, we've identified,

989
01:27:00,870 --> 01:27:05,110
we're built to learn, and capital dollars, how we want to pursue those.

990
01:27:05,630 --> 01:27:09,570
We're going to look at alternative financing with public private partnerships.

991
01:27:10,290 --> 01:27:14,710
We're going to move forward with our energy performance contracting so

992
01:27:14,710 --> 01:27:20,270
that we can identify other strategies to address our capital needs.

993
01:27:20,270 --> 01:27:27,230
So, we're trying to deploy all the strategies that are available to us and more to see how

994
01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:27,810
we can.

995
01:27:28,510 --> 01:27:33,550
I can't answer, you know, what's the likelihood, because then I, you know, that would

996
01:27:33,550 --> 01:27:40,650
be a guess on my part, but we want to look at the data, evaluate the data, look at the

997
01:27:40,650 --> 01:27:46,490
possibilities, evaluate those possibilities, and come up with strategies or implementation

998
01:27:47,470 --> 01:27:50,750
that we think we can execute and work with our partners,

999
01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:56,590
state and local and private entities once identified

1000
01:27:56,590 --> 01:28:00,730
to do that, to catch up because we're behind.

1001
01:28:01,050 --> 01:28:04,630
So I don't think that gives you an answer to say what's the likelihood

1002
01:28:04,630 --> 01:28:09,150
but we're looking to see how creative we can to do more.

1003
01:28:09,150 --> 01:28:19,610
I think I'm really trying to help people with their expectations because it is, you know,

1004
01:28:19,870 --> 01:28:26,770
these are some hard fiscal times, and I'll be able to count on funding on the federal

1005
01:28:26,770 --> 01:28:27,210
level.

1006
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:33,990
I'm just, you know, I'm glad you're talking about the P-3 public-private partnerships.

1007
01:28:35,610 --> 01:28:41,810
But specifically about the high school projects is what I'm concerned because they're the bigger.

1008
01:28:42,150 --> 01:28:44,110
They take the biggest chunk of money.

1009
01:28:44,850 --> 01:28:49,150
And we've got so many other needs that have been delayed.

1010
01:28:49,950 --> 01:28:54,710
I just want to help people with their expectations.

1011
01:28:55,210 --> 01:29:03,270
I mean, both the high school, the 50-year-old high schools are in desperate need of renovation

1012
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:05,090
and they should have been done.

1013
01:29:05,730 --> 01:29:09,670
But even before I got on the board or anybody who's on the board or on the board, the things

1014
01:29:09,670 --> 01:29:11,510
have done, been done, the way they've been done.

1015
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:16,270
I just want to help people with their expectations.

1016
01:29:16,570 --> 01:29:16,870
Thank you.

1017
01:29:17,330 --> 01:29:22,570
And I think the reasonableness of that question, you know, as people in schools,

1018
01:29:22,970 --> 01:29:26,870
community start to exert energy, we heard, you know, people keep coming back,

1019
01:29:27,070 --> 01:29:32,250
keep coming back. But it is appropriate. Like, so my question curiosity,

1020
01:29:32,250 --> 01:29:36,850
if the answer is we don't know yet, as we don't know yet. But based on the way the board

1021
01:29:36,850 --> 01:29:41,050
is voted and laid out, all those projects you listed, and you said,

1022
01:29:41,050 --> 01:29:44,890
this, this, this, and this before we get to the next batch, like, is before

1023
01:29:44,890 --> 01:29:48,910
Before we get the next batch a month from now, where we start allocating and asking the

1024
01:29:48,910 --> 01:29:54,990
board for funding that would initiate those projects or might it be, or we don't, it

1025
01:29:54,990 --> 01:29:59,310
just can't be, because the dollars are extended, so we're, you know, and if the answer is,

1026
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:59,970
That's what we're doing.

1027
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,580
That's what we're in the process of doing. That's the answer and we'll people are being given. I'm just talking about like a high school project. That's to miss McCoy's exit. I mean, simplifying it is the community likely to see any high school project advances a local project. Is that reasonable given the way the dollars were laying out? Or do we just don't have that information until a month from now? Yeah, we don't we don't have that information, but we like to think that this time next year, we will have that laid out.

1028
01:30:30,300 --> 01:30:33,420
But not this time next month, but this time next year.

1029
01:30:33,580 --> 01:30:40,500
Okay, that's what I think Miss McCoy's getting at is, you know, what are people likely, you know, as they spend their energy?

1030
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:46,260
It feels like we need to spend some energy advocating and pointing out the things that we're observing.

1031
01:30:46,460 --> 01:30:56,700
But also on securing funding, supporting P3, supporting all the things that you're doing because I appreciate the effort you've taken to increase alternative revenues.

1032
01:30:56,700 --> 01:31:00,140
And it's going to pay really long-term dividends.

1033
01:31:00,900 --> 01:31:04,500
But if money is spent in such a way and

1034
01:31:04,500 --> 01:31:10,920
built and learned is expended and spoken for, and that doesn't provide Centennial Longreach,

1035
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:18,540
Oklahoma Mills, any of the high schools to be a realistic something we bring to the board.

1036
01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:21,360
And I think it is fair to say to people this time next year.

1037
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:26,040
And that's what yes, and thank you, thank you for that and that perspective.

1038
01:31:27,260 --> 01:31:32,160
So, the true cost of ownership is what we want to define for the board.

1039
01:31:33,540 --> 01:31:39,960
And we've kind of benchmarked that and put that number out there when you look at industry standard.

1040
01:31:40,700 --> 01:31:49,920
So, when we get all this information and start to lay it out, then I'd like to prepare a 20 year snapshot

1041
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:55,560
not of when we will go through what year one and what year 20 would look like and what

1042
01:31:55,560 --> 01:32:02,700
the cost would be above and beyond what we have been presenting to the public, right?

1043
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:07,420
I'm through, you know, through the superintendent board and to our local officials.

1044
01:32:09,930 --> 01:32:12,310
I had one other question, but is my time up?

1045
01:32:14,250 --> 01:32:14,610
No.

1046
01:32:15,190 --> 01:32:15,670
Okay.

1047
01:32:16,150 --> 01:32:22,610
My question was, someone, I believe a couple of people advocated for changing the

1048
01:32:22,610 --> 01:32:28,090
done log in from a renovation to a replacement. I remember when I first came on the board,

1049
01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:33,810
I forgot what it was, it was changed. Oh, it was, what they switched projects, I believe.

1050
01:32:34,790 --> 01:32:43,630
And the money was already spent on design. As far as we, as far down the road as we are with the

1051
01:32:43,630 --> 01:32:51,010
done log in project, please help the public to understand the cost. If we said, oh, you know,

1052
01:32:51,010 --> 01:32:54,430
We really should get them a new building.

1053
01:32:55,710 --> 01:33:01,630
What would be the cost of that because it sounds good, but is it realistic, and is it even possible?

1054
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:12,270
Is it possible, yes, anything is possible, because as was indicated in the public hearing, the shovels have not hit the ground yet.

1055
01:33:12,990 --> 01:33:21,090
As Mr. Brown indicated that on at the October meeting, we are scheduled to bring the final design phase,

1056
01:33:21,090 --> 01:33:24,510
the construction document design phase to the Board of Education for approval.

1057
01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:30,750
When that is approved, that is submitted to the state for their final review to allow us to go to bidding.

1058
01:33:31,610 --> 01:33:40,810
And I indicate that so that the public will understand that we are essentially through the complete design of the renovation and addition portion.

1059
01:33:40,810 --> 01:34:03,050
So if the decision was made to change the Dunlog and project scope from a renovation back to a replacement that would essentially stop the project and we would have to start over from the beginning because of the, bless you, because of the requirements with the state to county.

1060
01:34:03,050 --> 01:34:11,910
that would start the process over and the design would be two years from that point on before we would then even get into construction.

1061
01:34:12,390 --> 01:34:20,590
So, that's one aspect to consider is, if that decision was made, it would ultimately be a new facility.

1062
01:34:21,230 --> 01:34:26,310
That would delay the delivery of that facility as well in the schedule of that project.

1063
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:29,290
So I just want to interrupt you.

1064
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:30,990
I was asking about the cost.

1065
01:34:31,290 --> 01:34:33,650
The design process isn't free.

1066
01:34:34,170 --> 01:34:35,010
That's correct.

1067
01:34:36,190 --> 01:34:37,770
And you haven't talked about the cost.

1068
01:34:38,250 --> 01:34:45,130
If we do, if we were to change it to a replacement,

1069
01:34:46,330 --> 01:34:55,010
what monies have already been spent for the design of the renovation project.

1070
01:34:55,550 --> 01:35:06,850
And, you know, because that is a huge amount, I think we wasted a whole bunch of money when I first came on the board because the board changes mine.

1071
01:35:08,610 --> 01:35:16,270
So just want to speak to the cost of changing, you know, when we're at this part, the stage of the process.

1072
01:35:16,270 --> 01:35:17,370
Yes, thank you.

1073
01:35:17,410 --> 01:35:17,910
Yes, ma'am.

1074
01:35:18,090 --> 01:35:24,190
So, I don't want to misquote a dollar amount, but essentially, we have expended just about

1075
01:35:24,190 --> 01:35:31,190
the entire design fee for the renovation and addition that is easily between the entire

1076
01:35:31,190 --> 01:35:37,430
design team and the construction manager well over a million, if memory serves is closer

1077
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:43,670
to $2 million, that would have to, that the work has been done so that has been paid out.

1078
01:35:43,670 --> 01:35:50,310
So, that would be, let's just call it the $2 million that would have to be then forfitted.

1079
01:35:50,610 --> 01:35:57,370
We'd have to start back over and essentially that would be the same fee for the next design for the replacement as well.

1080
01:35:58,410 --> 01:36:00,090
Right, and we don't have money to waste.

1081
01:36:00,450 --> 01:36:00,770
Thank you.

1082
01:36:01,070 --> 01:36:01,450
Yes, ma'am.

1083
01:36:02,990 --> 01:36:03,650
Ms. Watts.

1084
01:36:06,380 --> 01:36:11,500
The superintendent started down the path of level setting, kind of trying to pick up some more pieces there.

1085
01:36:11,500 --> 01:36:18,540
and I also just wanted to point out that in on 117, which is the page I thought you were going to refer to,

1086
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:26,660
I think while the high school, as long as you're high school, then while the high school, then you're attending a high school.

1087
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:32,320
So if we're looking at the, right now we're talking about state fundings and what we can do there,

1088
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:40,000
we have some top 10s that are before, even some of the high schools that have been mentioned on 125.

1089
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:55,960
And so when you're saying that to level set what's going to happen in, I hope you would explain, what's going to happen in this time of next year, that would give us even more level setting.

1090
01:36:55,960 --> 01:37:05,820
Like what are we planning on doing and what's like, you know, what would also feed into some of what's going to change with these, with these values, assuming nothing even changes with this, whatever the committee is going to bring back.

1091
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:09,920
So, you know, we're going to have different numbers here.

1092
01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:11,080
These are going to be shuffled around.

1093
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,220
And I, you know, I want a dashboard, right?

1094
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:17,620
Like, I want something that's live and, like, constantly updating to Dr.

1095
01:37:17,780 --> 01:37:21,000
Ten's point. Like, I can look at, he mentioned Centennial from last year.

1096
01:37:21,460 --> 01:37:24,140
They were, you know, a different score than they are this year.

1097
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:27,100
And we don't have a lot of, like, transparency in how we,

1098
01:37:27,480 --> 01:37:29,060
or what that move will look like.

1099
01:37:29,140 --> 01:37:32,780
What that move will look like when we put all these roofs on these other schools, right?

1100
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,060
So, like, I don't know where it's going to be.

1101
01:37:35,060 --> 01:37:41,160
Just trying to, like, even more so level set and we're talking about what community, it is my hope

1102
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:45,000
and I'll keep saying this that we don't have to have anybody in here with any signs or shirts.

1103
01:37:45,420 --> 01:37:50,660
It doesn't find for anything because we have a process built out that allows us to just march down these lists and

1104
01:37:50,660 --> 01:37:56,940
just go through, like, the schools that this school needs us, the school needs us and like, so can you explain your vision

1105
01:37:56,940 --> 01:38:03,200
a little bit more crude oil that like what a year from now, Mr. Brown.

1106
01:38:03,660 --> 01:38:07,820
A year from now, what's going to happen and what are you envision seeing and then that?

1107
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:14,180
Yes, I will, Mr. Looley had a point of clarification to make prior to the answer to that question.

1108
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:15,360
Yes, thank you, Mr. Brown.

1109
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,600
I do want to just provide a clarification for level setting.

1110
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:23,340
Is we have been talking about the chart that is on page 117.

1111
01:38:24,060 --> 01:38:27,640
that is specifically for the facility condition.

1112
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:28,300
Yeah, yeah.

1113
01:38:28,580 --> 01:38:37,640
What the Board of Education has approved, though, in the process is condition utilization is based combined, which is actually the chart on page 115.

1114
01:38:38,140 --> 01:38:50,480
So the reason why I'm pointing that out is because the conversation we're centered on right now is specific to these kinds of projects that are on capacity or on a condition and that index.

1115
01:38:51,260 --> 01:38:58,000
Yes, ma'am, I just wanted to provide the clarification for the community because as we level set with all the different items that are happening

1116
01:38:59,220 --> 01:39:02,680
That stuff and as Mr. Brown is going to mention in a moment the

1117
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:08,860
Sufficiency study would affect the chart that is on page 115, but would not affect it on 117

1118
01:39:08,860 --> 01:39:13,520
So I wanted to find any need to be understanding which chart we should actually be looking at

1119
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,640
So we've been moving forward. Thank you for that. Yes, definitely

1120
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:23,260
Well, we've been moving forward with building condition as the main data point and decision driver.

1121
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:29,620
But we know that we have program requirements, whether it's special ed, early childhood,

1122
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:34,560
what does our high school look like for us, and so on and so forth.

1123
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:44,660
So we will be working with our instructional counter parts to evaluate the program sufficiency data.

1124
01:39:44,660 --> 01:40:08,720
And then a couple of that with the building condition data to come back to the board with a more comprehensive implementation strategy to address the needs of the school system, not only for the aging air conditioning system or roofing system, but also for those spaces that should accommodate our wraparound services for our students.

1125
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:17,640
But we have a 1970 building, but, you know, a 2026 program requirements, yes.

1126
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:22,740
And maybe this is a conversation you and I just had.

1127
01:40:23,180 --> 01:40:28,200
Do we envision educational sufficiency staying within the utilization category?

1128
01:40:28,220 --> 01:40:37,520
Or we imagine because it's directly related to the building that it would be in the condition aspect of it.

1129
01:40:37,520 --> 01:41:00,180
The board directs us to have a work session, so does the report, does being generated with recommendations on what the work group is recommending to how to modify the prioritization metrics and ranking and scoring and how those categories will be adjusted.

1130
01:41:00,180 --> 01:41:11,880
So that will be presented to the superintendent that come to the board for the board to deliberate and then to make it, you know, come to a decision on how the prioritization process will work moving forward.

1131
01:41:15,060 --> 01:41:22,740
I think that's why I was asking about it on 117 because I thought this thinking about where we're going, okay.

1132
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,140
Yeah, you're correct there. Thank you.

1133
01:41:25,140 --> 01:41:26,060
Okay,

1134
01:41:30,940 --> 01:41:32,980
folks, there are no more hands,

1135
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:38,120
so unless someone raises their hand and has a question,

1136
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,360
this meeting will be almost done.

1137
01:41:43,780 --> 01:41:45,780
There are no more items on the agenda.

1138
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:53,860
I just want to give people a chance to raise their hand and to remind folks that the action

1139
01:41:53,860 --> 01:42:00,720
will be on the state's, the submission to the state request for budget items.

1140
01:42:01,580 --> 01:42:05,060
And that would be done log in minutes, middle school,

1141
01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:07,940
ill-tuster elementary school roof,

1142
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:10,960
high-level field station, elementary school roof,

1143
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,220
and long-reach high school envelope and roof.

1144
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:19,560
And that will be on September 24th.

1145
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:21,360
And then after that,

1146
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:26,360
We will move on to local projects, etc.

1147
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,060
Okay, there are no hands.

1148
01:42:29,660 --> 01:42:30,880
This meeting is now adjourned.