1 00:00:01,777 --> 00:00:04,777 turn. >> All right. We're now 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,384 recording. >> Okay. And you can turn your 3 00:00:09,384 --> 00:00:13,854 mic on to Miss Martin. >> There we go. Sure. 4 00:00:13,854 --> 00:00:18,658 >> Okay. All right. This is the 18th of August. It is 5 00:00:18,658 --> 00:00:23,458 approximately 530 in the evening. We are here for 6 00:00:27,601 --> 00:00:31,872 BA26-010C. An application by persons first Incorporated. 7 00:00:31,872 --> 00:00:35,876 Actually, it's by Miss Kenisha Martin, who's trading as 8 00:00:35,876 --> 00:00:39,479 Persons First Incorporated. It's a request for a 9 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,151 conditional use for a child care facility. Comma daycare, 10 00:00:44,151 --> 00:00:48,890 treatment and care facility. And Miss Martin, we are here at 11 00:00:48,890 --> 00:00:52,693 your request. It is your case. And so since you're going to be 12 00:00:52,693 --> 00:00:57,980 the only witness tonight. I need to swear you in. Sure. 13 00:00:57,980 --> 00:01:00,330 Thank you. Do you solemnly swear or affirm under the 14 00:01:00,330 --> 00:01:02,903 penalty of perjury, that the responses given in statements 15 00:01:02,903 --> 00:01:05,306 made shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but 16 00:01:05,306 --> 00:01:07,108 the truth? >> Yes. 17 00:01:07,108 --> 00:01:09,911 >> Thank you. Please state your name and business address for 18 00:01:09,911 --> 00:01:12,911 the record. >> Sure. Kenisha. Martin. 19 00:01:13,313 --> 00:01:17,513 Business address is 164295 freeway, Miss Bowie, Maryland. 20 00:01:18,718 --> 00:01:21,922 >> All right. Thank you. All right. It is your case. It is 21 00:01:21,922 --> 00:01:27,794 your burden of proving that you meet all the requirements for 22 00:01:27,794 --> 00:01:32,800 the proposed use. So I'm going to let you just go and tell me 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,471 how you meet all of the required criteria. 24 00:01:37,471 --> 00:01:40,607 >> Sure. So we have gone through the necessary steps for 25 00:01:40,607 --> 00:01:44,411 the conditional use process. This is our last last phase. We 26 00:01:44,411 --> 00:01:48,615 have given the narrative for the program that we're going to 27 00:01:48,615 --> 00:01:52,215 be operating. And Saint John's Lane. 28 00:01:52,219 --> 00:01:57,558 >> There there lies my first question. How many students are 29 00:01:57,558 --> 00:01:59,558 requested? >> Sure. Approximately 30. 30 00:02:00,828 --> 00:02:08,280 >> 30. Okay. So I have to set a number. So 30 a maximum of 30. 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,173 >> Well, we can if there's room for. We certainly have room for 32 00:02:12,173 --> 00:02:17,111 more. So. But we typically go by projected numbers of who we 33 00:02:17,111 --> 00:02:20,314 think will support. But we can increase the number if there's 34 00:02:20,314 --> 00:02:25,385 need, we can go over that number by maybe 40, 40. 35 00:02:25,385 --> 00:02:29,923 >> Okay. Because your petition all states in terms of three 36 00:02:29,923 --> 00:02:32,526 classrooms, well, three classrooms doesn't tell me how 37 00:02:32,526 --> 00:02:36,529 many students you're proposing. So I have to set the number. 38 00:02:36,529 --> 00:02:39,200 >> No, that makes sense. So the three class. So two of the 39 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,268 three will be utilized for the actual students. One will be a 40 00:02:42,268 --> 00:02:44,938 conference room. So it's one conference room for maintenance 41 00:02:44,938 --> 00:02:47,608 to make sure that we have confidentiality. And then two 42 00:02:47,608 --> 00:02:50,210 for where the actual program will be operated. 43 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:54,214 >> So you think that each classroom can accommodate 20 44 00:02:54,214 --> 00:02:55,883 students at a time. >> Absolutely. 45 00:02:55,883 --> 00:02:59,820 >> All right. So you're asking for 4040 students. Okay. All 46 00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:02,822 right. Okay. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Go ahead. 47 00:03:02,822 --> 00:03:07,361 >> Sure. So the space will be utilized to support persons. 48 00:03:07,361 --> 00:03:11,431 The population that we will support is persons that have 49 00:03:11,431 --> 00:03:15,636 developmental disabilities and who may be on the autism 50 00:03:15,636 --> 00:03:19,639 spectrum. Our goal or aim is to provide a structured day for 51 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,440 each person that will support them with having their skills 52 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,647 met. So for example, learning life skills, educational 53 00:03:27,647 --> 00:03:30,917 purposes will also be tailored. So we have some classes for 54 00:03:30,917 --> 00:03:33,720 that. We'll also be helping with employment. So the 55 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,550 classroom may have we may have laptops and different things 56 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:40,193 that will assist each person with being able to look for 57 00:03:40,193 --> 00:03:42,729 employment and so forth. >> All right. So you're leading 58 00:03:42,729 --> 00:03:48,135 me to my next question, which is what is the age of your 59 00:03:48,135 --> 00:03:51,135 proposed clients? 20. >> Sure. 21 and older. 60 00:03:52,739 --> 00:03:56,939 >> 21 and older. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. 61 00:03:57,811 --> 00:04:02,816 >> Gotcha. So we can continue. Okay. And so the day that we'll 62 00:04:02,816 --> 00:04:06,154 have within each within the center where we'll be, we'll 63 00:04:06,154 --> 00:04:08,955 also have some community based opportunities. So we'll be 64 00:04:08,955 --> 00:04:12,292 volunteering as well in different establishments. So 65 00:04:12,292 --> 00:04:14,895 we'll be in and out of the building. We won't spend our 66 00:04:14,895 --> 00:04:17,230 entire days there, although if the weather permits doesn't 67 00:04:17,230 --> 00:04:20,500 permit, we may be indoors throughout the duration of our 68 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:26,372 time. Besides that, we also will have a few of our staff. 69 00:04:26,372 --> 00:04:29,175 So for example, some persons may be approved through the 70 00:04:29,175 --> 00:04:32,779 state for 1 to 1 staffing ratios. So we'll have staff 71 00:04:32,779 --> 00:04:35,649 members who will be there to make sure that each persons 72 00:04:35,649 --> 00:04:39,253 within their appropriate staffing ratios. We will. 73 00:04:39,253 --> 00:04:42,990 >> Also again. Sorry for interrupting. Are you going to 74 00:04:42,990 --> 00:04:45,325 be licensed through the state of Maryland? 75 00:04:45,325 --> 00:04:48,595 >> We will. Yes. That is the next phase of this. 76 00:04:48,595 --> 00:04:54,401 >> Okay. And and what what we what we like. What is your 77 00:04:54,401 --> 00:04:56,470 licensure? What what will that be for? 78 00:04:56,470 --> 00:04:59,540 >> Sure. So it'll be for what's called a day program. That's 79 00:04:59,540 --> 00:05:03,276 what the state classifier program has. Day program. 80 00:05:03,276 --> 00:05:08,415 >> Okay. And your request to them will also then be for a 81 00:05:08,415 --> 00:05:11,685 maximum of 40 students. >> They're going by the 82 00:05:11,685 --> 00:05:13,954 capacity of the Howard County is a proven. So they're 83 00:05:13,954 --> 00:05:17,757 actually looking for that occupancy permit as well. So 84 00:05:17,757 --> 00:05:20,294 whatever number is we are approved for is what they're 85 00:05:20,294 --> 00:05:22,763 going to go with. Nothing greater. 86 00:05:22,763 --> 00:05:27,101 >> Okay. All right. And we just capped it at 40. Yes. Even if 87 00:05:27,101 --> 00:05:30,304 they say 50 you still only get 40. 88 00:05:30,304 --> 00:05:33,506 >> 40 is perfectly fine given the plan that we have in mind. 89 00:05:33,506 --> 00:05:35,375 Yes. >> Okay. All right. I'm sorry. 90 00:05:35,375 --> 00:05:38,645 Go ahead. >> No problem. So besides that, 91 00:05:38,645 --> 00:05:42,516 we will also have our narrative also describes that we will 92 00:05:42,516 --> 00:05:46,520 utilize some of the parking spaces that is currently there. 93 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,731 We will have minivans. I'm not sure how many, just depends on 94 00:05:49,731 --> 00:05:52,734 how many persons that we support at a time. So if we're 95 00:05:52,734 --> 00:05:55,537 supporting ten person within our first year of operation, 96 00:05:55,537 --> 00:05:58,730 then the number of vehicles that we'll have will be based 97 00:05:58,730 --> 00:06:01,477 on that. But it will not go over the the appropriate number 98 00:06:01,477 --> 00:06:05,347 that we have listed in our narrative. Besides that. 99 00:06:05,347 --> 00:06:09,217 >> Are you operating a similar program elsewhere? Now? 100 00:06:09,217 --> 00:06:12,487 >> We community based. It's not in a licensed site, so we are 101 00:06:12,487 --> 00:06:15,491 fully community based right now. We just need a licensed site to 102 00:06:15,491 --> 00:06:18,560 be able to host people within a building. Yeah. Activities. 103 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,832 Yeah. Okay. Yes. So besides that, not really sure what else 104 00:06:23,832 --> 00:06:27,102 to share. I can go over a few other details that are listed 105 00:06:27,102 --> 00:06:30,380 within our narrative, if that's needed. 106 00:06:30,380 --> 00:06:36,440 >> So what you're going to need to share is the document. What 107 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:42,500 you're going to need to share is all of the requirements of 108 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:45,720 this particular use. Because right now there is nothing in 109 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,926 the record because I cannot take the technical staff report 110 00:06:50,926 --> 00:06:57,526 as being. They're not here, so I can't cross-examine them. So 111 00:06:57,799 --> 00:07:04,740 I need you to go down all the criteria, see all the criteria 112 00:07:04,740 --> 00:07:11,940 for. And I can help you with that. So the general criteria 113 00:07:13,749 --> 00:07:17,285 for conditional use is you're gonna have to meet that. All 114 00:07:17,285 --> 00:07:21,290 right. So the first criteria is that the proposed conditional 115 00:07:21,290 --> 00:07:25,160 use plan will be in harmony with the land uses and policies 116 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,760 in the Howard County General Plan. 117 00:07:30,232 --> 00:07:33,235 >> Yes. So bear with me one second. I'm pulling up my 118 00:07:33,235 --> 00:07:38,635 attachment to give me one second. Our narrative. Almost 119 00:07:46,782 --> 00:07:48,782 there. >> No worries. 120 00:07:53,254 --> 00:07:56,458 >> And please pardon me if I'm going to just summarize each of 121 00:07:56,458 --> 00:07:59,328 what I have currently. And then if you need more details, just 122 00:07:59,328 --> 00:08:02,664 let me know. Feel free and I'll go a bit deeper. 123 00:08:02,664 --> 00:08:05,734 >> Okay? Because we kind of have to go through every one of 124 00:08:05,734 --> 00:08:10,872 the criteria. So if you want to address the first criteria, 125 00:08:10,872 --> 00:08:13,742 which is harmony of the proposed use with the Howard 126 00:08:13,742 --> 00:08:17,746 County General Plan, how do you do that? 127 00:08:17,746 --> 00:08:21,484 >> Gotcha. So I have so I'm just going to read verbatim. 128 00:08:21,484 --> 00:08:25,353 The petitioner requests an approval of a conditional use 129 00:08:25,353 --> 00:08:27,823 pursuant. And I won't read all of the numbers unless it's 130 00:08:27,823 --> 00:08:32,294 needed. So I have one, three, 1.0 and three and one three of 131 00:08:32,294 --> 00:08:34,696 Howard County zoning regulations to operate a day 132 00:08:34,696 --> 00:08:39,101 treatment and care facility center at 3291 Saint John's 133 00:08:39,101 --> 00:08:43,901 Lane, Ellicott City, Maryland 21042. The subject property is 134 00:08:44,105 --> 00:08:47,975 an existing one, fully developed and established the 135 00:08:47,975 --> 00:08:50,579 process. The proposed conditional use does not 136 00:08:50,579 --> 00:08:54,182 include any new construction, building additions, site 137 00:08:54,182 --> 00:08:57,318 expansion or physical improvements. The use will 138 00:08:57,318 --> 00:09:00,656 occur entirely within the existing structure and utilize 139 00:09:00,656 --> 00:09:04,126 the existing site layout as currently configured. The 140 00:09:04,126 --> 00:09:08,130 proposed facility will provide supportive services for 141 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:12,670 individuals with disabilities, including program focus on 142 00:09:12,670 --> 00:09:14,602 independent living skills, healthy living, education, 143 00:09:14,602 --> 00:09:17,472 social development and vocational readiness, and 144 00:09:17,472 --> 00:09:20,742 structured opportunities for community participation and 145 00:09:20,742 --> 00:09:26,142 volunteer engagement. The second part is with being in 146 00:09:26,147 --> 00:09:30,347 compliance with section 131.0 n 13 conditional use requirement. 147 00:09:32,620 --> 00:09:35,824 So accessibility and circulation and safety will be 148 00:09:35,824 --> 00:09:41,563 described. The site is served by an existing peculiar excuse 149 00:09:41,563 --> 00:09:44,633 me, access from Saint John's Lane. There's no changes to 150 00:09:44,633 --> 00:09:49,433 that existing access point, circulation patterns or parking 151 00:09:50,238 --> 00:09:53,842 configuration are proposed. The facility will utilize existing 152 00:09:53,842 --> 00:09:56,779 on site circulation and parking areas, so nothing will be 153 00:09:56,779 --> 00:09:59,581 changed where utilizing existing space, our drop off 154 00:09:59,581 --> 00:10:03,251 and pick up for activities will occur on site in a safe and 155 00:10:03,251 --> 00:10:08,651 orderly manner, consistent with one point. Excuse me, 131.0 n 156 00:10:11,193 --> 00:10:14,329 .13 A. I'm probably not citing that correctly. 157 00:10:14,329 --> 00:10:17,665 >> That's okay. The long mouthful yes, I got you. 158 00:10:17,665 --> 00:10:22,604 >> I would not create and will not create unsafe conditions or 159 00:10:22,604 --> 00:10:28,400 congestion on adjacent drive. Excuse me. Roadways then lot 160 00:10:29,211 --> 00:10:35,211 size and capacity which is under 131.0 N13B the existing 161 00:10:35,550 --> 00:10:42,150 developed parcel provides no. >> I think we lost her for a 162 00:10:50,364 --> 00:10:53,635 minute. >> Yeah, she must have hit. 163 00:10:53,635 --> 00:10:55,635 Leave hearing. 164 00:11:45,287 --> 00:11:48,287 Okay, we've got our back. 165 00:11:51,159 --> 00:11:53,559 >> Okay. >> There we go. 166 00:12:03,438 --> 00:12:06,641 >> Alrighty. My apologies. My computer completely shut down. 167 00:12:06,641 --> 00:12:09,978 >> No worries. That's what has happened when we do things 168 00:12:09,978 --> 00:12:13,114 virtually not. Not a worry. >> Gotcha. Thank you. I'm just 169 00:12:13,114 --> 00:12:20,200 going to log back on. And I'm just going to disconnect the 170 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,873 video from my other screen and then stay on my cell phone, 171 00:12:23,873 --> 00:12:28,730 which is fully charged. >> Okay. All right. 172 00:12:34,751 --> 00:12:38,822 >> Okay. >> And I'm very sweaty. Oh my 173 00:12:38,822 --> 00:12:42,422 goodness. >> So no, no no worries. 174 00:12:43,426 --> 00:12:49,165 >> Oh my goodness. Okay, so I believe we're on lot size and 175 00:12:49,165 --> 00:12:55,165 capacity. So I'll continue there. Okay. So for lot size 176 00:12:58,174 --> 00:13:03,574 and capacity, the. And building capacity to accommodate the 177 00:13:06,490 --> 00:13:10,849 proposed day treatment and care facility without modification, 178 00:13:10,854 --> 00:13:14,657 the use will be contained entirely within the existing 179 00:13:14,657 --> 00:13:18,393 building and site improvements, and is consistent with the 180 00:13:18,393 --> 00:13:24,993 capacity of the property under one, three, 1.0 point N13B. The 181 00:13:27,736 --> 00:13:32,609 next point is setbacks and site design, so no new construction 182 00:13:32,609 --> 00:13:37,146 or site disturbance is proposed. There are no changes to 183 00:13:37,146 --> 00:13:41,160 setbacks, buffer or site designs. Existing conditions 184 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,954 remain unchanged and the conditional use does not 185 00:13:44,954 --> 00:13:49,154 increase or intensify any nonconformities consistent with 186 00:13:50,293 --> 00:13:56,293 one, three, 1.0 and 0.3 D. Our next point is compatibility and 187 00:13:59,768 --> 00:14:03,906 absence of nuances. The proposed use operate entirely 188 00:14:03,906 --> 00:14:08,706 within an existing enclosed structure. Use constructions or 189 00:14:10,446 --> 00:14:14,383 slight modifications are proposed. The nature of the 190 00:14:14,383 --> 00:14:17,654 facility's educational, therapeutic and supportive and 191 00:14:17,654 --> 00:14:22,992 is not expected to generate noise, odor, lighting, lighting, 192 00:14:22,992 --> 00:14:27,630 or other or other impacts that would adversely affect 193 00:14:27,630 --> 00:14:30,933 surrounding properties. Because the site remains physically 194 00:14:30,933 --> 00:14:34,603 unchanged, the conditional use does not introduce any new 195 00:14:34,603 --> 00:14:38,541 environmental or physical impacts to the surrounding area. 196 00:14:38,541 --> 00:14:42,945 The use is consistent with professional and institutional 197 00:14:42,945 --> 00:14:46,150 service activities and is compatible with surrounding 198 00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:52,870 land use along Saint Johns Lane. Okay, the next point for us is 199 00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:56,887 the general conditional use standard, which is under 131.0 200 00:14:57,361 --> 00:15:02,698 B harmony with the General Plan. The proposed facility supports 201 00:15:02,698 --> 00:15:06,235 Howard County's goals of providing inclusive, community 202 00:15:06,235 --> 00:15:10,106 based services for individuals with disabilities. The use 203 00:15:10,106 --> 00:15:13,106 promotes independence, accessibility and community 204 00:15:13,442 --> 00:15:18,242 integration. Consistent with the General Plan. Now we're 205 00:15:19,248 --> 00:15:25,848 under nature and intensity of use, which is under 131.0 B two. 206 00:15:26,789 --> 00:15:31,860 The use is low intensity and will not alter the existing 207 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:35,398 developed development pattern of the site because no 208 00:15:35,398 --> 00:15:38,334 improvements, expansions or physical changes are proposed. 209 00:15:38,334 --> 00:15:42,939 There is no increase in site intensity beyond the existing 210 00:15:42,939 --> 00:15:47,739 conditions. And next we have mobility with vansickle 211 00:15:49,478 --> 00:15:52,348 properties. Hopefully I'm pronouncing that correct under 212 00:15:52,348 --> 00:15:58,348 one three. Thank you. Under 131.0 b three. The proposed use 213 00:15:59,957 --> 00:16:03,159 is fully compatible with surrounding properties. The 214 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:06,428 facility is located within an existing development structure 215 00:16:06,428 --> 00:16:09,565 and operations are consistent with institutional or 216 00:16:09,565 --> 00:16:13,569 professional service uses. No changes to the physical 217 00:16:13,569 --> 00:16:16,772 environment are proposed and therefore no new impacts to the 218 00:16:16,772 --> 00:16:22,172 adjacent properties will occur. Next, we have adequate public 219 00:16:23,713 --> 00:16:29,713 facilities under 131.0 B four. The site is already served by 220 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,120 existing public infrastructure, including road access, 221 00:16:35,591 --> 00:16:39,462 utilities and emergency services. The proposed use does 222 00:16:39,462 --> 00:16:44,133 not require any infrastructure expansion or upgrades and will 223 00:16:44,133 --> 00:16:49,533 not burden public facilities. Next, we have public health, 224 00:16:51,340 --> 00:16:56,140 safety and welfare under 131. Treatments and care facility 225 00:17:00,416 --> 00:17:05,200 promotes public health health care by providing structured, 226 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,958 supportive services that assist individuals with disabilities 227 00:17:08,958 --> 00:17:12,895 in developing, excuse me, independence, life skills and 228 00:17:12,895 --> 00:17:17,166 community participation. The reuse of an existing developed 229 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:21,170 site without improvements supports efficient land use and 230 00:17:21,170 --> 00:17:25,370 maximizes environmental and community impacts. Okay, then 231 00:17:26,709 --> 00:17:31,380 we have for our conclusion the proposed day treatment care 232 00:17:31,380 --> 00:17:36,180 facility at 3291 Saint Johns Lane, Ellicott City, Maryland, 233 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,852 21042 fully complies with one three, 1.0 and 13 and the 234 00:17:42,525 --> 00:17:46,725 general conditional use standards under 131.0 B of 235 00:17:47,129 --> 00:17:50,466 Howard County zoning regulations. The use will be 236 00:17:50,466 --> 00:17:54,300 located entirely within an existing established structure, 237 00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:58,675 with no proposed improvements or physical alterations to the 238 00:17:58,675 --> 00:18:02,277 site. As a result, the conditional use introduces no 239 00:18:02,277 --> 00:18:07,349 new adverse impacts and is fully capable with surrounding 240 00:18:07,349 --> 00:18:12,288 be compatible with surrounding development and close. We are 241 00:18:12,288 --> 00:18:15,491 respectfully requested an approval of the conditional use 242 00:18:15,491 --> 00:18:19,910 petition. >> And your hours of operation 243 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:28,837 are Monday through Friday. Eight A excuse me 8 a.m. to 3 244 00:18:28,837 --> 00:18:30,837 p.m. correct. 245 00:18:46,443 --> 00:18:49,780 I'm sorry, I don't think you heard me. I 246 00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:53,883 said. The hours of operation are Monday through Friday, 8 247 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:56,619 a.m. to 3 p.m. >> That is correct. Yes. 248 00:18:56,619 --> 00:18:58,619 >> All right. >> Okay. 249 00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:02,822 >> Your square footage is 3075ft?!S. 250 00:19:07,230 --> 00:19:10,433 >> Let me confirm for you. Bear with me. I can pull up the. One 251 00:19:10,433 --> 00:19:17,330 if you. And your is solely for what we're occupying. Correct? 252 00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:31,187 Not for the right. >> The whole, the whole. Use 253 00:19:31,187 --> 00:19:36,587 the religious facility acreage is 8.97 acres. And I'm asking 254 00:19:37,394 --> 00:19:40,930 you for the square footage you're going to be using for 255 00:19:40,930 --> 00:19:42,930 the three classrooms. 256 00:20:03,953 --> 00:20:06,956 >> I don't want to give an approximate. I'm pulling up the 257 00:20:06,956 --> 00:20:09,759 actual map. >> Thank you, I appreciate that. 258 00:20:09,759 --> 00:20:12,759 >> Sure. So draw in that. 259 00:20:39,522 --> 00:20:42,726 >> I'm going to have to do the math. And I'm going to include 260 00:20:42,726 --> 00:20:46,862 the conference room. So just the two classrooms. 261 00:20:46,862 --> 00:20:50,400 >> Now, the entire square footage that you intend to 262 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,400 utilize. >> Yes. So we have. 263 00:20:55,805 --> 00:20:58,205 >> 20. 20. Five plus. Zero. Alrighty. 264 00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:14,887 >> So in total, 2075. >> Okay, perfect. The number I 265 00:21:15,625 --> 00:21:22,980 have two. So we're we're good. All right. And I'm, I'm 266 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:25,368 presuming that you have entered into a lease agreement with the 267 00:21:25,368 --> 00:21:28,968 religious facility for the three classrooms. 268 00:21:28,972 --> 00:21:31,372 >> Yes. We have. >> Okay. 269 00:21:31,774 --> 00:21:35,378 >> Which is on hold until everything is squared away with 270 00:21:35,378 --> 00:21:37,981 the conditional use. So although we have the agreement, 271 00:21:37,981 --> 00:21:42,986 we don't have an effect. >> Right. Contingent on your 272 00:21:42,986 --> 00:21:46,322 getting the conditional use and probably contingent on your 273 00:21:46,322 --> 00:21:49,580 getting a license from the state, correct? 274 00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:53,530 >> Yes, that is correct. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Is 275 00:21:53,530 --> 00:21:57,801 there anything further that you would like to tell me tonight 276 00:21:57,801 --> 00:22:02,601 about your application? >> Bear with me one second. 277 00:22:28,898 --> 00:22:31,233 No, I was just taking a look at the 278 00:22:31,233 --> 00:22:34,238 other pieces just to make sure that I wasn't missing anything. 279 00:22:34,238 --> 00:22:37,306 We have been in compliance with submitting all the required 280 00:22:37,306 --> 00:22:42,312 information that was required of us through the process. So I 281 00:22:42,312 --> 00:22:45,247 just would like to know perhaps what the next steps are from 282 00:22:45,247 --> 00:22:48,118 the hearing. This is my first one, so thank you for your 283 00:22:48,118 --> 00:22:50,853 patience with that, with answering the questions I have. 284 00:22:50,853 --> 00:22:53,990 >> Okay. But with regards to this application, I answer your 285 00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:56,793 question just a second. But with regards to this 286 00:22:56,793 --> 00:23:00,531 application, you feel like that you have told me everything 287 00:23:00,531 --> 00:23:04,601 there is to say, and you are asking that I grant the 288 00:23:04,601 --> 00:23:07,937 conditional use. >> Yes, that is correct. Yes. 289 00:23:07,937 --> 00:23:15,780 >> Okay. So the next step in the process is I will issue a 290 00:23:15,780 --> 00:23:19,749 decision and order, and it will either approve the conditional 291 00:23:19,749 --> 00:23:23,753 use as you're asking. It'll approve the conditional use 292 00:23:23,753 --> 00:23:30,693 with conditions and or it will deny the conditional use in the 293 00:23:30,693 --> 00:23:35,698 event. In the event that you are unhappy with my decision 294 00:23:35,698 --> 00:23:40,360 and order, you have a right to appeal to the Board of Appeals. 295 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:42,973 And in case you're in that position, Miss Berg will help 296 00:23:42,973 --> 00:23:46,843 you through that process. And in the event you were unhappy 297 00:23:46,843 --> 00:23:50,447 with the Board of Appeals, you can always appeal to the 298 00:23:50,447 --> 00:23:54,584 Circuit Court for Howard County and then to the appellate court. 299 00:23:54,584 --> 00:23:58,988 But I don't think we're going to get there. So anyway, a 300 00:23:58,988 --> 00:24:04,600 decision I'm going to declare. Did that answer your question? 301 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,330 >> Absolutely, yes. >> Okay. All right. So I'm 302 00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:08,731 going to declare that the evidentiary hearing in this 303 00:24:08,731 --> 00:24:12,401 matter is deemed to be concluded, and I will be 304 00:24:12,401 --> 00:24:17,340 issuing a decision and order shortly. Okay. And you'll 305 00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:20,943 receive it electronically. Miss Berg will send it out to you. 306 00:24:20,943 --> 00:24:26,150 And then assuming it is an approval or an approval with 307 00:24:26,150 --> 00:24:30,180 conditions, you would then take the next step in your process, 308 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:33,890 and you probably will be asking the Department of Zoning and 309 00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:38,827 Planning and then processing through the State Board of 310 00:24:38,827 --> 00:24:42,231 Education or whomever, or health, whoever is going to be 311 00:24:42,231 --> 00:24:45,231 licensing your facility. >> No problem. 312 00:24:46,836 --> 00:24:51,240 >> Okay. All right. If we're good, I'm going to declare that 313 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,110 this evidentiary hearing has been held. I've already said 314 00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:57,780 that. And a decision in order will be shortly forthcoming. 315 00:24:57,780 --> 00:25:00,651 And I thank you for your participation here tonight, and 316 00:25:00,651 --> 00:25:04,000 I wish you the best of luck. >> Thank you so much.