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>> This webinar is being

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>> Okay. Welcome everybody. I'm

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meeting of the Compensation

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Review Commission on Wednesday,

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DECEMBER 17th, 2025, at

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whatever time it actually is.

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Six 3634 okay, I'm going to

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call the roll, okay. Ellen

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Flynn Gile present. Scott

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Horton present. Maura Dunnigan

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>> Kia Payne.

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>> And we know that MR. Ponnuri

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is absent. He has already

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informed us of that and will

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hope that Maura makes it before

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the end of the meeting. So the

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first thing on the agenda is to

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3rd. Can I have a motion to

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>> a motion to approve the

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minutes from DECEMBER 3rd?

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corrections or adjustments or

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anything? Okay then I'll go

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down. I'll go down the the list

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again for I just to make sure

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Ellen Flynn Gile I Scott Horton.

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>> So that's unanimous for the

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members present. And now we

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outstanding questions. Do you

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have, and then we can open it

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members that want to talk about

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the draft. I'm going to share

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draft of the report that was

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shared with you by email. Yes.

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to the top of page three. I

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explaining the Commission's

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decision on their preliminary

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recommendations. That's new

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language since our last meeting.

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chance to take a look at that.

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the salary increase for council

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members. I just wanted to

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email comments on that, so I'm

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okay, Rashida name is huge. And

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everybody, everybody gets heard.

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thanks to Maura.

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tomorrow, but thanks again,

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Maura. But definitely again

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really helpful. And I think

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it's just comprehensive.

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members who are also County

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each meeting. Yes. We hadn't

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specifically talked about this

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when we voted on the

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recommendations. I just wanted

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to make sure the commission

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didn't have any changes to that

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one of the one of the extra

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pieces and it was listed on the

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schedule. But I think we sort

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beginning, we asked, were there

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any questions about those? And

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them, but I think we said those,

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those particular awards, the

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technology, the, you know, the

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and asked if anybody had any

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questions because we had heard

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nothing about those in

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particular. There was no

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testimony about raising those

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you know, adjusting those in

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any way. So I think we did that

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at the beginning in order to

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take care of something that was

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pretty fit within a box that

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everybody felt comfortable

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don't just don't think we

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listed each one of them. Okay.

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that those stay the same?

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salary based on previous years

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legislation, it looks like they

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period would have been 3%

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about the. Okay. This was one

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sure that we were using the cpi

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that that is issued in

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reasons, they usually use the

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that it uses the cpi from the

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the raise or just letting cpi

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ride and then they get the 3%

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count for the budget. Right. So

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have to use what. They already

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motion, you can just motion

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that for the first year 2026

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they have a 2.5% increase.

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JANUARY 26th increase which

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correct okay. So does anybody

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have any opinion on whether we

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change the language to 2.5% or.

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with the language that's there

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Rashida I'm comfortable with it.

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accept the the language as.

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>> So I'll make a motion to

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change the language for 2027,

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for the county executive to

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include a 2.5% increase over

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I think we're I think we're

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good.

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>> That's all for me then.

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>> Okay. Does anybody else have

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anything they want to bring

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forward before we talk about

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what comes next?

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>> It's just presenting it.

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Right okay. That's all we have

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left is presented in JANUARY

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after you finalize it.

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>> Yep. Once the commission

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approves the report today, I'll

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get Ellen's signature on it.

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And then I will transmit it to

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the council, probably tomorrow

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morning.

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>> Okay, okay.

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>> And then the legislation

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will be introduced for

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consideration in JANUARY.

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>> And the our responsibility

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is to provide testimony is it's

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essentially sort of deliver our

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recommendation at the hearing.

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>> Yeah. Okay. If at least one

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of you can be here okay. Yeah.

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Amanda, do you have your hand

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up?

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>> Yeah. I'm. I'm sorry. Maybe

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I'm just not catching it. And

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you kind of scrolled fast, and

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I know I saw an early version,

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but is the. So the compensation

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is for four years, right.

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Starting in 26, 27, 2020.

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>> Starting in JANUARY 27th.

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>> 26 is a new new county

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executive, right.

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>> The 26 will take office in

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27. Well, they'll take election

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DECEMBER 6th. Yeah, but they

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don't.

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>> So so the first and I, I was

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trying to look at the report.

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So the first raise will be in

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DECEMBER of 26. Right. And then.

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I just wanted to make sure it

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was covering four years not

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five years.

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>> Yes.

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>> Yes. Yeah. It's DECEMBER

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2026 through DECEMBER 2030.

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>> Monday the whatever the

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first Monday in DECEMBER. But

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then they don't.

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>> We've just been talking it

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talking about it more like 2027.

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>> But the way it was worded on

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the charts, we looked at it,

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spoke to it as if it was a

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JANUARY 20th.

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>> Yeah.

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>> The next year. So as long as

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it mirrors what what we've done

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in the past.

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>> Yeah, but it's just for when

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they take off as to when they

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leave office. Yes. Yep.

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>> Okay. Thank you Amanda. Okay.

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So now we actually have to we

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approved the amendment to the

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language, but we didn't approve

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the whole agreement okay. So

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now yeah. Now I'll move that.

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We accept the report of the

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compensation review commission.

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And do we do we actually have

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to approve the legislation to

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or. No.

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>> Just the report.

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>> Just the report. So we're

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approved. I move that we

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approve the Compensation Review

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Commission report, as amended

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this evening.

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>> I'll second that motion.

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>> And in this case, I think I

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will call out the role. I just

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think that's that's a good idea.

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So Ellen Flynn Gile I Scott

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Houghton.

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>> I.

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>> Rashida George. Rashida.

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>> Sorry guys. Yes I.

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>> It's okay. Ginnie Gick.

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Ginnie.

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>> She's good. I can't see

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sorry. That's okay I.

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>> And keeping.

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>> I awesome awesome.

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>> So again we can report that

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this was unanimous.

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>> Is there.

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>> That's it.

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>> Is there anything else for

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us to do.

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>> That is it. You are done. I

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will just go through the next

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few months just so you're aware.

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Okay. The legislation is going

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to be introduced for

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consideration in JANUARY. There

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will be a public hearing on the

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legislation on Tuesday, JANUARY

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20th. Be great if at least

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Chair Gile could be there. Okay.

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And everybody else is welcome

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to come if you want.

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>> Sure.

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>> The council MAY consider

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amendments. They might adopt it

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as is. It's hard to know for

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sure, but at some point in the

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early part of the year, they'll

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adopt legislation. This

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commission is technically

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convened until APRIL, but I

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don't think we'll have another

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meeting. We're just here if

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they have questions.

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>> Right.

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>> Okay. We're technically

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still a body, but this is your

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last meeting.

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>> Okay? Okay.

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>> Thank you. Owen.

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>> Okay. And I just want to

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thank everybody who's been here

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through the duration. Everyone

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who came tonight, everyone who

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wasn't able to come tonight.

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And thank you for participating

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in what I think is an important

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citizen, oversight of the kinds

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of things that happen in county

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government.

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>> It's good work. This is what

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it's all about. I value my time

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with with everybody every

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couple of weeks, and I

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appreciate everybody's

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contribution, and I'm sure

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we'll see more of each other

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down the road on some more of

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these.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Now same here.

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>> You're now on the list.

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>> And thanks for your

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leadership, Ellen.

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>> Thank you for putting up

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with us.

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>> And Amanda, thank you so

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much. Yeah.

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>> You're a saint. Yes,

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absolutely. Always a pleasure.

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>> Give him a raise.

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>> Oh.

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>> I think we might. I think we

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might have to recuse ourselves

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from that.

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>> Yeah, for sure.

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>> But thank you, everybody.

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>> Thank you everybody.

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>> Thank you all. Thank you

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everyone.

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>> Thank you. We have.

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>> Formally adjourned. Do we

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have to formally adjourn?

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>> Sure.

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>> Okay. I'm going to move that

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we adjourn with thanks to all

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the participants.

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>> Oh, second that motion.

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>> All in favor?

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>> I, I I I.

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>> Thank you. Have a wonderful

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holiday everybody.

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>> Happy holidays everyone.

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>> Happy holidays everybody.